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Okay, welcome everyone. My name is Jim McBendham. I'm the deputy mayor. I'm sitting in for the mayor. She should be here in about 10 minutes.

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She's swarmed right now by 20 or 30 beavers. That's five and six-year-old little cubs or whatever they call them.

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So they're checking out the mayor's office and other things like that around the Minest Valley, so she should be here shortly.

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So I will get started here. So I'm going to ask for approval of the agenda tonight. So I'll need a mover.

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Okay, Councilor Barkley, am I going to assume,

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okay, be resolved at the special committee

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of the whole agenda.

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For January 15, 2020, be approved as presented, all in favor.

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Anyone against?

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Okay, I'm going to ask for disclosure of interest, and everybody has any disclosure

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of interest?

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No, I see none.

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Okay, carrying on.

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So this is the public part of the meeting now.

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I've got to read a specific item here which is mandatory I believe it's

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provincially mandated by us. So public or this municipality of North

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Grenville public meeting procedure January 15, 2020 council will now hold

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concurrent public meetings to consider applications for the lands legally

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described as part of lot 26 and part of road allowance between lots 25 and

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Concession 1, former township of Oxford on Rideau, now the municipality of North

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Grenville, to amend zoning from rule RU to residential third

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party, a third density special exception, R3-19 to accommodate the

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proposed residential subdivision phase. Consider the merits of the

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application for the plan of submission to direct staff to prepare proposed

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conditions of draft approval for consideration at the future committee

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of the whole meetings and complete the required public meeting notification

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under the Environmental Assessment Act in accordance with municipal class

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environmental assessment section A-2.9. I must advise you that this

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meeting is your opportunity to voice any objections or concerns that you may

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have with respect to the above described applications. If an impeller does not provide

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oral submissions at the public meeting or written submissions before Council adopts

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the proposal and the local planning appeal tribunal may refuse to consider the objections.

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Any person who wish further notice of Council's decisions concerning these matters should

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give their full name, address and postal code to the planner following the adjournment

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of the public meeting. Are there any people here for the public meeting? If so, please

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acknowledge yourself.

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Thank you. I will now pass the meeting over to David Nanton to provide

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the staff presentation.

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Thank you. Well, this evening I'll be providing a presentation

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on the zoning bylaw and planning subdivision applications submitted to accommodate phase

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5 of the Equinol subdivision.

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To discuss some context about the site, the site area shown

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here in red is approximately 11.26 hectares, or 27.8 acres, in size and is currently a vacant

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parcel. As shown, it is irregular in shape and is situated at the northern boundary of

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Kempville's urban service area.

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The site itself is just situated to the west of

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County Road 44, which runs north south and is to the south of River Road shown there.

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The surrounding uses to the property include residential uses along River Road that front

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on to the north and to the west of the site.

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Immediately south is Phase 1 of the Equinole subdivision and there is the golf course

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as well to the east of County Road 44.

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The proposed Plan Phase 5 of the Equinole subdivision is slated to be developed for

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total of 141 residential units.

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The mix intended to be 93 single detached dwellings, and there are four residential blocks intended

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for semi-attached and townhouse dwellings.

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What's shown here on the draft plan are the single lots, and you can see the internal

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road network here, and there are four blocks situated one, two, three, and the fourth

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here, and those are intended for the multi-residential component of the project.

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With respect to the public meeting, it is worth highlighting that the main purpose of

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tonight's meeting is to receive comments from Council and the public and other agencies

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on the development proposal.

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The comments received this evening will be considered moving forward while drafting

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conditions of draft approval and recommendations for conditions of draft approval are intended

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to be brought back to Council for approval in the form of a resolution, which will

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then be provided to the United Counties Leeds and Grenville, who are the approval

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Authority for Plans of Subdivision to restate this meeting serves as the required public

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meeting under the Environmental Assessment Act.

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To go into the Planning Act applications, the requested zoning bylaw amendment seeks

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to have the property rezoned from rule to residential third density special exception,

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which is intended to keep with the zoning already in place for phases three and four

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BC within the Equinol subdivision.

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The effect of the rezoning would be permitting the residential development to be to comprise

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part of me a mix of single family, semi-detached, and townhouse dwellings.

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Moving to the application for approval of a plan of subdivision, submitted through

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the United Counties of Leeds and Grenville, the application again is for 141 residential

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units comprised of 93 singles and four residential blocks.

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The recommendation brought forward for these files is that the Committee of the Whole

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recommend that Council approve Zoning By-law Amendment ZBA-12-19 to amend the zoning from

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rule to residential third density special exception to permit the proposed residential

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subdivision and that the Committee of the Whole recommends staff to prepare a report

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which further considers the merits of the application based on comments received and

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which sets out proposed conditions of draft approval for the subdivision to be brought

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back to a subsequent meeting for consideration by the Committee of the Whole.

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maybe we'll pause just a second. Yeah, maybe we'll take a quick one there.

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These are the North Granville Beavers. Say hi guys.

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Yeah, we have the honor of

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welcoming the Canfield Beavers. So before we proceed for concurrent public

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meetings, Councilor Collings, do you just want to introduce yourself to the

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Beavers, Councilor Sullivan?

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Hello and welcome. My name is the Councilor

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Doreen O'Sullivan and I'm happy to see you all here this evening.

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And Councillor Barclay.

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Hi guys and no girls, are there girls in there?

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No.

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My name is Councillor John Barclay.

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Welcome.

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I know some of your leaders and welcome to you too, Ben.

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Good.

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OK, so we'll resume the meeting.

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David, we want to finish the presentation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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To move forward, it is important to note the comments that were received for these files, which stated some concerns.

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Two letters submitted by residents within the subdivision stated concerns not over the scale or the proceeding of the development of Phase 5,

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but for the increased traffic and related safety concerns for Royal Landing Gate and Equinol Drive.

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Both letters stress that the health center existing residential traffic is currently problematic

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and emphasize that the development should consider alternate access points to accommodate the additional 141 residential units.

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An additional letter received by the municipality, which was provided through the United Counties,

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referenced a desire to preserve large mature trees that are situated on the current property now

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and for natural heritage features where possible.

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An additional letter stated concerns over the proposed density being under the targeted

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density of 18 units per gross hectare within the urban service area and for consideration

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to be given towards affordable housing units within the development.

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No concerns were raised by agencies circulated on these applications.

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The Rideau Valley Conservation Authority had no objection to the Zoning Bylaw Amendment

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application and comments regarding the proposed plan of subdivision are to be provided

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directly to the United Counties of Leeson-Grenville.

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That summarizes my presentation this evening.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Nanton, and thank you

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for tolerating the interruption.

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The beavers are here just for a short time,

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but we wanted to ensure that they saw a meeting in action

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and most to cancel in action.

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We do have one other counselor who isn't with us

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this evening.

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So now that we've heard the staff report,

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the committee will now hear from the applicant

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followed by members of the public who wish to speak

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either for or against the proposal, following any comments from the public, the applicant

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will be offered an opportunity to respond to any questions raised.

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Of course, any persons wishing to address the proposal should ask their questions through

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the chair, and that is myself, and of course please state your name and residential address.

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Community members may also wish to ask questions, that's us, to those who have

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made presentations.

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So does the applicant plan to speak this evening?

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Yes?

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Welcome.

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Or the applicant's representative.

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Good evening.

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Steve, would you like the...

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I'm just here for a brief moment to say that I introduced myself as Steve

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Pence from Novatech.

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We filed the applications on behalf of the owners.

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And we're here at the hold.

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There's a team of us here.

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there's myself and then another an engineer from Novotek as well as

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representatives from regional group so if it's okay we'll turn it back to you

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and allow you to take questions from the public and then we'll come back and

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answer questions that were raised as well as any questions you guys you

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might have in addition to those so does that work for sure okay okay thanks

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while you're here though I will just ask council colleagues if they have any

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questions of you in particular.

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Councillor Sullivan, do you have a question of the applicant's representative?

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Thank you, I do.

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I would like to know, are there any of those higher density units designated as affordable housing?

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Thank you for your question.

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The development is not proposed as a development that would achieve affordability targets.

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However, what is being proposed is a development that includes a combination of different types

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of dwelling types, and that is a way to get out of affordability by providing a choice

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for different types of homes.

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But there's nothing in the development that is specifically designed for affordability

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if you get the distinction.

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Just to follow up on that question before we hear from other members of the public, Mr.

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Nanton, are you able to speak to whether or not this proposal aligns with some of the

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affordable housing or housing affordability objectives in the official plan?

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I know there was some communication to that end and I think, obviously, as a council,

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it matters to us and so we understand, given the number of homes that are proposed

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that it would be reasonable for us to reflect on how this aligns with some of the state objectives and goals in the official plan.

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Okay, and sorry, I was just asking Mr. Nanton, but I'd be happy to...

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Erin O'Connor with the Regional Group.

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Erin O'Connor with the Regional Group.

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Though we have not done a lot of analysis to, you know, how are we meeting the objectives of the affordable housing

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in the Equinelle development, a quick read with your affordable housing action plan.

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One of the elements is affordability in terms of purchase price.

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And I noticed that, you know, the purchase price for affordability based on income and

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to a low to moderate income as well as expenses was about four hundred and five thousand.

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We're going to pause.

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Thank you, Beavers, for coming.

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Have a good evening.

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Bye, Beavers.

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Thanks.

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That was the, in terms of a low to moderate income and affordable housing for purchase

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price, the target for 2019 was $405,000.

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In the Phase 5 Econel development, one of the things to contemplate is that we actually

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are offering a variety of housing types, and one of the housing types that they're

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considering is two-story townhomes.

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That is, if that comes to market, that would be at that marker of the $405,000.

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So, within there, we see it as that when you offer a variety of housing types, it allows

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Offer of different housing prices at different times of life, you know, from someone who's just

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a young couple, to family, to retirees. You know, we feel like we're starting to round

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out that type of housing in the Equinell community, and that's our opportunity in phase five.

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Appreciate that, and certainly the task force talked a lot about housing diversity, right,

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which allows different kinds of people in different stages of their life to access

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housing that is more accessible in ways that make sense,

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especially if you're starting out at the beginning of your adult life

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or if you're finishing as a senior.

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So those things absolutely matter to us.

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I'm just going to ask Mr. Nanton.

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We did receive comments, not surprisingly,

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from both the task force and members of the public.

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Obviously given the work of our task force,

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it has, I think, highlighted and created some momentum around affordability.

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So I'm wondering if you could just speak to some of the other comments that you would

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have received by email and that were shared with me in regards to density.

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I know that was a major concern, so I'd be happy to hear a little bit about that.

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Thank you.

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When reviewing the merits of the application as submitted, we look at the parcel fabric

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and the law area in terms of continuity with the existing scale and scope of the development,

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what is proposed in terms of sidewalk, available land space, and some of those things

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to see if it's rational in respect also to how it complies with the policies of the official plan.

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Just to speak generally and then get into the specific questions that you're asking me,

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the conclusion of the report was with respect to the official plan that the

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development does make efficient use of the land and the available servicing for

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the site itself being to the northern boundary of the urban serviced area.

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There are limitations of how far the scope and scale can get to and the

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mix with some medium density is compatible with the uses so kind of

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into the area. As I understand the policies with respect to affordability there is a 25% target

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that is sought at this time within the official plan but it's not specific that every development

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will add into that 25% of the total units and as such that is my review of the official plan

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with respect to this application. When it comes to the density there is a section within the

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official plan that actually specifies a specific number at the total build-out that this subdivision

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at the total completion of all phases is to reach, which is 1108 if I'm correct on that.

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So there is some limitations that the developers, I understand, is working within in terms

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of how dense they can go and also the pre-existing fabric of the road network, how many units

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you can fit in accessibility and so forth. So I think there's two things to

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tackle with that. For sure. And we have some appreciation for the character of

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Equinial and how it initially developed and how it's evolving. So obviously

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recognize some of that as a potential limitation but also see real

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opportunity here, right? As I think the market shifts even from your

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perspective. So that is something where we do hope to see some movement.

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Okay. So Councillor Salam has asked a question. I've done some follow-up.

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Council colleagues, before we go to members of the public,

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is there anything you'd like to ask of Equinole's representatives?

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Yeah, just a clarification on the access points.

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I believe in a previous meeting that there's an opportunity for another access point,

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or is, no, there's not. Okay.

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What I understand, there's quite a history with the Equinell community.

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I believe that there was a lot of analysis done of looking on River Road being another

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access, but that River Road and connecting to County Road 44, that that's an intersection

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is quite troublesome.

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So it was designed that there was two accesses, Royal Landing Gate and Equinell Drive

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onto County Road 44.

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I know there's been a lot of comments about access and traffic.

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We do have an engineer here that can speak to that there are going to be intersection improvements

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that are planned for this summer, that's before the construction of this phase of development,

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that will, I think, significantly improve how you get internet out of this community.

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There's going to be lighting, turning lanes.

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It will be much safer.

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We're just waiting for the final approvals from the minister.

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Yeah, I do recall that, but I'm just wondering if you've got access to the pointer, or maybe

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Mr. Nanton can loan you the pointer.

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Where are the access points to, that's Royal Landing.

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Oh, okay.

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So, do you have a, you're going to put it for me?

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Great.

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Yeah.

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So, there are three accesses off of Royal Landing that are existing accesses.

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There's the one right there that's next to, that leads you into the park that

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actually adds a bit of extra space into the part just the way it's configured.

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The second one is where the pointer is there, and then the third one was established right

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there.

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Good.

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Okay.

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So with that in mind, I will then, once again, invite members of the public who wish

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to speak for or against the proposal to come forward with any concerns.

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And then we'll do another round with the applicants' representatives.

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Members of the public, anyone wishing to speak?

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Okay, come on down please.

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And we have a second person in the back as well?

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Yeah, okay.

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Take your time.

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Sure.

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Thank you.

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Perfect.

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Welcome.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for coming.

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I can be heard.

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Yep.

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You can be heard.

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Just really lean in.

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You have to get close to the mic.

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Okay.

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Richard Banks, 139 Royal Landing Gate.

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Is that an ominous R?

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I had contacted the

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municipality because some of my neighbors and I have talked about this

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development and it was the plan was shared to us, shared with us earlier in

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the fall or late summer. I don't have a pointer if, is there a pointer?

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There's an area in this subdivision that has, it's a smaller area, it's basically in this

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area right about here.

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It goes in a little bit into the road.

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It's only about five lots wide.

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There's five or six trees in there that are over 30 meters high.

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They're beautiful, mature, growing trees.

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And in this area, if you drive around, you will not find very many trees at 30 meters

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high.

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Now, this is a wetland, it's not been hampered by people for a long, long time, and they're

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beautiful trees, and it would be very sad to see them disappear.

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And the way this Novotek is written out, even though they do make some indication that they

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might look at substantial trees in an area, there's no guarantee anywhere in

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here that they would actually try to save them. There are some that are close

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to a property line but there are some that are 35 meters into the new

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development and of course these trees by themselves shouldn't stand

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alone. There's also trees in there that help make this particular area a

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very nice area. It was pointed out to us that they wanted to make a green space, I think,

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in here, somewhere. I might be in the wrong part, but a green area in there anyway. And

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it's basically a swamp. And to my way of thinking, I'd rather have people walking

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around in a nice, lovely forest than a swamp.

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And there's also in there, I know it's just a note in my submission,

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there's a pond and turtles actually migrate into this pond

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and there's all kinds of frogs and all that other stuff.

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And it's a natural occurring thing in there.

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And I don't know if it, I mean, if anybody cares if there's

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something like that in this area but it also adds to the area. In the early the

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earlier renditions of what Equinoa was going to be like they actually had an

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area in here where they're going to put a skating rink and we all thought well

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they're going to do the pond except the pond's too small for a skating rink.

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But anyway that that was my concern that I wanted to bring up is that

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there's an area in there that is very nice and it would be sad to see them cut

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them down the trees. Now I'm not an expert on trees they could be maples but

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they could also be northern sycamore and I don't know but I think northern

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sycamore is a protected tree in Ontario and so I want someone to be able to

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verify it one way or another. That was my submission thank you.

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Thank you. How long have you been in the Equinol subdivision?

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Since 19 – sorry, 2012.

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Okay, okay. So you've seen lots of little changes and growth.

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Yes, yes. Equinol is one of the nicest places to live.

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I've ever lived in, and I've lived in a lot all the way from BC to the Maritimes.

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It's very nice.

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Good.

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And everybody that lives there loves it.

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Good. Glad to hear that.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Nanton, can you speak to how the municipality assesses older trees or, you know, obviously

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natural assets that might be impacted by growth or maybe it's Ms. Martin.

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Tell us what the process is like and would these trees have been on your radar as the

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planning department did its due diligence?

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So

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with a submission is a package of supporting studies.

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One of those would be an environmental impact statement that would assess the natural features,

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and that would be conducted by a qualified professional, which would then be circulated

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to the conservation authority who would also review that and the merits of that study

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in identifying species at risk or important natural features for consideration.

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So

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what I hear you saying is these trees weren't assessed to having any particular value when it comes to natural heritage.

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Were they part of the study that was shared?

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I would have to look through the study to confirm that.

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Okay. So there is some additional due diligence we can do just to see if those trees were identified as being particularly valuable.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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Okay. Well, thank you because I think we'd like to better understand the fate of those trees, too.

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And I'm sure equal now representatives, you may be also able to speak to that.

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Why don't we do the round? Or actually, maybe it's practical that we just hear from you now.

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Does that make sense? What do you prefer? Let's just deal with the subject matter at hand.

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Let's talk about trees. You're here, so thank you. Welcome.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Evan Garfinkel with the Regional Group,

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Melanie Riddell with NOVA Tech Engineering.

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So with our package, we had submitted an environmental impact

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statement and a tree conservation report.

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And in the report, and we don't have a copy with us

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right now,

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I guess the phasing is

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delineated into four sections in area A, in area B, in area C, in area D, and each of

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the sections reference the species of the trees.

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So we have had someone go and look at all the trees and determine their significance

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and the county and the municipality have the opportunity to review that.

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A majority of the trees will be cleared in the development area.

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We will do our best to maintain where possible.

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One of the areas that we are looking at specifically is, how are we working this here?

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Is that working?

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Is along the boundary, the rear yards of the existing royal and negate houses.

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So where possible, we will do our best to maintain the trees along that boundary.

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And if not, it will be a privacy fence.

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And so there are engineering constraints within that area.

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Melanie, if you're able to speak to that.

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Hi. Yeah, the concern with maintaining trees along a boundary is always balancing the need

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for fencing, the need for drainage and the need for grading. We need to do a significant, not

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a significant, but we need to raise the ground in this area in order to drain it. So by raising

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the ground, you can't cover the roots of a tree or it'll die. So a couple of those lots

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in there are a little bit deeper than is absolutely required for the housing types that

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So there are some opportunities, potentially some opportunities along that boundary to look at maintaining a few of the existing trees.

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Further to Evan's discussion on the TCR and the areas of trees that we looked at, also as part of the EIS, the Environmental Impact Study,

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Our biologists reviewed whether or not there's any species at risk in the area,

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specifically while both flora and fauna, and he did not find any species at risk in the area.

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But there are some recommendations, and that's the report that I didn't bring today with me,

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to follow during construction and prior to construction to ensure that any species that just are regular species, I guess,

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Our issues are mitigated during the construction time.

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And to respond to the point about the park, this is a constrained phase.

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And also having that great park where it is right now, the existing park with the splash pad,

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it made sense and especially just with the phasing being constrained

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to have that as more of a passive park, so the park location is right up here at the top.

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So this is meant to be more of a passive park that offers a connection to River

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Road and the, I guess we will be maintaining existing vegetation in

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there just recognizing I guess what's going on with the rest of the phase and

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the clearing that we would like to maintain vegetation there and keep that

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as a more of a passive park with a connection to River Road.

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And if Council

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I also wanted to review the environmental impact assessment.

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I don't think it was part of the package we received this evening.

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You referred to that document.

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Is that something that we could see?

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Yes, absolutely.

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Okay.

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Yes, Councillor Barclay, thank you.

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Just a question and based on the answer suggestion,

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I'd address this to David because you might,

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Mr. Nanton, you might,

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what's the difference between the lot width and the road allowance?

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And I'm looking at the most easternly access point right off of 44, that road allowance.

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Is that wider than a lot?

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It is.

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So the suggestion would be to preserve some of the trees where Mr.

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Banks, yes, thank

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you, indicated.

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Is there any utility to having that access further west?

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West, in other words, to preserve some trees, but no, it has to be that far east as close

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as possible to reed-o-landing and 40-core.

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Just confirming that you're talking about this one here right here.

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So no, this is lined up with an existing block that we left when we designed phase one.

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So there's a home on either side of it.

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So if we moved it west, we would have to take down a house.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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That's probably not practical.

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No, no, I was, I was...

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So yeah, so in phase one we identified all, and dedicated blocks for future right-of-ways,

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which is where all the road, all the road connections for phase five are tying into.

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Yeah, I missed the lots along Rita Landing, yep, okay.

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And just to answer your question, this is a 20 meter right-of-way, so 66 foot right-of-way.

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internally are 18 meter right-of-ways. These lots generally are at 42 feet, which is 12, 13 meters.

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Deputy Mayor.

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Just a question for Melanie and Evan. You guys have been building there for quite some time.

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Has the, and the environment of course is always changing, and I don't mean the natural environment.

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I mean the environment with people of course concerned about the environment.

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trees and whatnot. Has your building processes changed because of that since

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phase one or early on? And I'm assuming in the early on of these phases there

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was lots of trees in those lots as well which were probably long gone now

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and we've moved on. But has anything changed over the years within

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this municipality because we're a year in as council? We have some

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concerns for trees and environment of course as well, but I'm just wondering if you can

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tell me that has there been more, is it more conscious on you guys when you're looking at

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these planning the builders, are they looking more seriously on trying to preserve?

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Melanie might be able to speak more to the history, what she's thinking, but we've

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We've always had our qualified environmental specialists and tree specialists looking into

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these trees and making sure that things are done properly and that we're not removing

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species at risk.

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I am fairly new to the file, but I know that our consultants that we work with have

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maintain a fairly consistent approach in evaluating the natural species and the environment.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess the legislated requirements haven't changed much of the last 15 years in terms of,

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I generally project so I don't usually need a microphone, but in terms of requirements for

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for the professional studies, for submissions, for the application.

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But our client is cognizant of the natural environment and wanting to preserve as much as can be done

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and or augment after the fact.

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You know, we've maintained existing sets of trees throughout the golf course, then we've

465
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augmented them with native species, planting native species at various stages of growth,

466
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:18,090
which then fill in the gaps in terms of, you know, a number of mitigation factors

467
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:21,510
in terms of construction timing, construction practices,

468
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:26,530
reviewing existing species, what the impact is on those species.

469
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:29,750
So no, I wouldn't necessarily say that there's a change,

470
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:32,830
a significant change over the last 15 years,

471
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:38,750
but that's not to say that it hasn't been an ongoing issue

472
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:45,170
that we have been aware of and taken into account throughout the development process.

473
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:46,950
Does that answer your question?

474
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:47,590
Yeah, pretty much.

475
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:54,470
And from your experience, have developers changed their thought to then, you know, they've

476
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:59,030
got to take down a tree, do they have a policy, well, we take down a tree, we replace a tree,

477
00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:03,610
do they put that type of investment or that thought behind it?

478
00:38:04,090 --> 00:38:08,890
So I mean, can't speak for all developers and all developments are different, all developers

479
00:38:08,890 --> 00:38:09,350
are different.

480
00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:15,110
It depends a lot on the, you know, lot size existing area, you know, affordability

481
00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:15,670
index.

482
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:18,810
I mean, there's a whole host of factors that come into that.

483
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:28,650
However, Equinell Developments is committed to and does appreciate the impact both on

484
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:37,850
their homeowners and the environment of natural spaces and dealing, managing environmental

485
00:38:37,850 --> 00:38:38,950
issues appropriately.

486
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:47,310
We've built pathways and walkways and additional recreational facilities.

487
00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:54,010
We've built some more passive walkways and pathways in different areas,

488
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:58,030
which is what the intent of this area here is.

489
00:38:59,690 --> 00:39:03,470
This area couldn't be developed because it's within the flood plain.

490
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:05,470
We could just leave it as it is,

491
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:13,490
but the intent is to do some naturalized passive park so that it can be enjoyed by the residents

492
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:22,290
and the neighborhood while also saving parts of the trees to add to the environmental impact

493
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:22,670
on it.

494
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:24,310
Thank you, Melanie.

495
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:24,730
Thank you.

496
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,700
Kelser Sullivan.

497
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:29,860
Thank you.

498
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:35,840
I have a couple of questions, and when you said that EQ appreciates and is committed

499
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:42,940
to tree preservation or replacement, do you plant a tree on every lot for a single family

500
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:47,140
home and do you replace the number of trees that you cut down?

501
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:52,140
Yes, so the requirement is the one.

502
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,420
So if you cut down 10 trees, do you plant at least 10 more?

503
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:02,880
So I believe that the EQ branch actually does take part in a tree planting program.

504
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:09,220
I actually can't speak to the details with it and I'm happy to speak with each you and follow up

505
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:15,900
Okay, I know there is I see Aaron walking down and she'll be able to speak a little bit more

506
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:23,360
I mean trees are important for a lot of things for the whole environment drainage

507
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,460
oxygen

508
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:25,900
health

509
00:40:26,980 --> 00:40:31,140
so I'd like to I'd like to see that done for sure and

510
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:39,620
Obviously, it's going to take many, many years to grow a 30-meter tree, so if you can save

511
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:43,740
as many, but I do understand that once you start backfilling, those trees are going to

512
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:44,920
be dead and gone.

513
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:54,220
I don't know what steps can be taken to preserve a tree like that, but I think they're important

514
00:40:54,220 --> 00:41:00,920
and I think they're a health issue and a total environmental issue that needs to

515
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,840
addressed and you said 15 years there hasn't been a big change but there's

516
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,240
been a big change in the way things are people think about trees and the

517
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,260
environment and this council even in the last three years or two years or one

518
00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:22,620
year over previous councils so that's really important. The second question I

519
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:29,600
have has to do with the affordability and if 20 is it 25 percent target of

520
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,540
affordability in any development, correct? Not a particular phase of the development.

521
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,640
Is that correct?

522
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:43,160
I would have to speak to David for the policies. I think that's a target.

523
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:52,590
We'll ensure confirmation of the wording in the official plan in a moment.

524
00:41:53,190 --> 00:42:00,270
Okay. So if it's 25% of the whole development, not particularly this phase,

525
00:42:00,270 --> 00:42:08,830
my question would be is 25% of equinell considered affordable and and is

526
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:15,010
according to the task force on affordable housing is four hundred and five

527
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:20,650
thousand dollars considered affordable for what population so those those are

528
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:23,090
the questions that I have thank you so

529
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,820
the I was just reading off of the the

530
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:32,640
Mayor's Task Force affordable housing in term recommendations that was brought

531
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,060
to council in September on the 17th and there was two elements that said the

532
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:40,580
housing with a purchase price which results in an annual accommodation cost

533
00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:44,640
not exceeding 30% of the gross annual household income for low and moderate

534
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:50,280
income households and then the other one was housing for the purchase is at

535
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,740
least 10% below the average purchase price. We don't offer the below the

536
00:42:55,740 --> 00:43:00,480
average purchase price but we do offer variety housings and so it does there

537
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,320
was an element in this that stated that in 2019,

538
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,980
the figure for the first calculation,

539
00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:06,600
which is the first comment I made,

540
00:43:07,340 --> 00:43:11,060
the first calculation works out to be $405,531.

541
00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:15,160
So I'm not sure who calculated it,

542
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:19,740
but that generally is a fairly reasonable amount

543
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:22,840
that when you look at not just North Granville,

544
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,960
but who's coming to North Granville,

545
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,600
we're finding a lot of people moving

546
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,980
from Ottawa to North Granville,

547
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:29,960
because that is considered an affordable price

548
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,820
so that actually is very cheap compared to Ottawa.

549
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:38,760
So, but I haven't actually looked at Equinel as a whole

550
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,580
what that means, but what I can sort of say is that

551
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:44,700
as each phase has been developing,

552
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,940
the affordability starts to become more obvious

553
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:50,340
because we're starting to look at

554
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:52,160
the variety of housing types.

555
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,560
If you look at the earlier phases,

556
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,480
there was sort of more of the empty nesters lifestyle

557
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:05,280
type of homes. We've moved away from just offering that kind of home. It was a little

558
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,920
more luxurious, a little more expensive, to more of a variety of homes, bringing families

559
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:16,860
into the community, bringing choices. We've also, there was some medium-rise buildings,

560
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:21,640
the Foxwoods, I think, or I think they're called Foxwoods, that were apartment buildings

561
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,160
that were offered. And there are placeholders within the community that are opportunities

562
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:33,300
for more of those condos to be built or possibly partner up with someone who might do a rental housing.

563
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:40,060
So there is still lots of variety and options that we are looking at through the community and end in Phase 5.

564
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:48,610
Just to read the wording from the official plan with respect to that target.

565
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:58,150
It states in Section 11.3.1d, the municipality shall attempt to have 25% of only residential construction affordable

566
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:59,890
in a given year the residential development

567
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:10,940
Okay,

568
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:25,560
so do we know how much of EquinL is already considered affordable? Have we met 25% or is there

569
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:33,180
still a way to go? I would imagine there's a way to go because that changes in market conditions

570
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,760
And also, I don't know if you've noticed, but construction costs are skyrocketing right

571
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,500
now, which impacts on affordability.

572
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:50,420
And supply, too, we're finding that when the supply is tight, the affordability starts

573
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:52,580
to become more unaffordable, so.

574
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:54,020
He means supply of-

575
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:54,780
Supply and demand.

576
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:56,180
Supply of housing.

577
00:45:56,660 --> 00:45:57,760
Supply of housing.

578
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:58,400
Thank you.

579
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Because there are bidding wars, or sort of the market pushes the price up?

580
00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:07,820
We're not experiencing bidding wars, but we're selling very fast right now.

581
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:08,060
I see.

582
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:08,420
Yeah.

583
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:09,640
Okay.

584
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,120
Catherine O'Sullivan, other questions?

585
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Okay.

586
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:18,120
I think there may be someone here from the Housing Task Force who wishes to speak as

587
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,500
well, but in the meantime, we have another person who'd like to speak.

588
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,140
Okay.

589
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:22,780
Thank you.

590
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:23,740
We'll call you down again.

591
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:24,580
Stand by.

592
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,100
Stay close.

593
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:26,000
Yeah.

594
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,440
Unless you want your steps.

595
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:29,340
Thank you.

596
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:30,040
That's okay.

597
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:36,420
Okay. Thank you for coming. We appreciate it. These meetings are always better when there's public engagement. So thank you for being here.

598
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,620
Okay. Just lean right in.

599
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,540
Hello.

600
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:41,040
Yep.

601
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,200
My name is Ken Green. I live at 157 Royal Landing Gate.

602
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:45,600
Okay.

603
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,120
So I'm very familiar with this area.

604
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:48,520
Yeah.

605
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:59,540
The reason why I came is the park land that exists today with the splash pad, etc., which is bounded by part of this development.

606
00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:05,820
and the original plans that were given to residents six years ago,

607
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:10,420
when they moved in ten years ago, showed parking facilities for that park

608
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:12,580
so people could come up and park there.

609
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,160
I don't see them there anymore.

610
00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:21,600
So I went this fall to the Equinell sales office in the fall of this year

611
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,680
and asked them if it seemed to have disappeared.

612
00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:27,500
They told me no, and they brought out their own drawings of the land

613
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:32,660
and they said no see here there's parking lot and that was just a couple of

614
00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:37,820
months ago but on this drawing it doesn't seem to be there anymore so I

615
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:42,540
don't know why all of a sudden it's disappeared I wrote an email to the

616
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:45,740
planning department of the township I don't know what happened to my email

617
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:51,760
but I live there and this is gonna that little park is the only park in the

618
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,580
entire equinelle and it attracts more and more people and even people coming

619
00:47:55,580 --> 00:48:00,340
out from North Grenville because it's actually a North Grenville park. It's not an Equinole

620
00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:06,900
park. And all of a sudden the parking facilities for that park have disappeared. I don't know

621
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:14,420
why. So that was my only concern. And I know I live there. There's lots of cars.

622
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,440
So before you go to that end, by virtue of the fact that there is a municipal park

623
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,500
built certainly by Equinel, but now effectively the towns to manage.

624
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:28,740
Are you experiencing increasingly parking challenges in the street?

625
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:29,060
Oh, yeah.

626
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,080
The cars parked up and down the street.

627
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:31,460
Right.

628
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:32,420
Right.

629
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,860
And it's going to just increase with the development of Equinel.

630
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:37,120
Yeah.

631
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,320
And people need a place to park their car because not everybody walks there.

632
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:41,900
No.

633
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,940
Most people don't walk there.

634
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:43,820
Most people don't walk there.

635
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:43,840
Right?

636
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,200
Most people are driving because it's hard to get there on foot.

637
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:46,440
Yes.

638
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:46,880
Yeah.

639
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,340
Exactly.

640
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:51,120
So I don't know why it disappeared from the plan all of a sudden.

641
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:53,780
Okay, we can ask. We've got people here.

642
00:48:54,060 --> 00:49:00,000
So Mr. Nanton, do you have any comments on that or should we go directly to the developer in terms of the parking spaces?

643
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:14,100
To your knowledge, and I know you're obviously a bit new here, do you have a recollection of parking being planned for what is obviously the municipality's only splash pad

644
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,380
and a park that was intended to serve not just the neighborhood but all of the community.

645
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,020
At this time I don't have the historical knowledge.

646
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,600
I do recall hearing or seeing of plans that had incorporated parking spaces.

647
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:28,420
Okay.

648
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,640
And Mr. Gerard sitting behind you, you might have a better recollection of that.

649
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:33,560
Is that right, Mr. Gerard?

650
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:34,880
No?

651
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Okay.

652
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,020
We'll go to the representatives.

653
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,880
Mr. Gerard, if we needed to find that information, you could provide it.

654
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:44,380
Is that correct?

655
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:50,020
Okay. Certainly, it's been something that many of the community have flagged to us independently,

656
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,320
just given the fact that it is a park with a particular feature,

657
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,400
that being the splash pad, which is well utilized in the summer,

658
00:49:57,580 --> 00:50:00,640
and we have had concerns about congestion,

659
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,120
and also people feeling welcome to come in, right?

660
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:12,060
Not everybody's comfortable parking in front of someone else's house and perhaps disrupting

661
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:13,580
other things that are going on.

662
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,340
So yes, let's hear from you.

663
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,700
So I can speak to that.

664
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:23,440
So there was at one point historically parking, I believe it was shown on this side of the

665
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:23,620
plan.

666
00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:25,120
Do you recall from the plans that you?

667
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:25,480
Yeah.

668
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:30,280
It's always existed.

669
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,720
At early stages, the concept for that park and the plan and layout for that park has

670
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,880
changed a number of times since the beginning of time and then we did some construction

671
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,000
as what we called phase one of the park.

672
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:47,440
We added some additional stuff which is where the splash part of the park came in.

673
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:55,640
We were always working towards a budget with the park's department on what needed,

674
00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:58,220
what wanted to go into the park and what didn't want to go into the park.

675
00:50:58,220 --> 00:51:03,620
Park. There is still some land available that an onsite parking lot could be built, but

676
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:07,640
it would have to, there would have to be some discussion on how to do that. At this point,

677
00:51:08,170 --> 00:51:12,860
the suggestion would be to put it over here in the slightly expanded section on, so on

678
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:18,720
the west side of the park as part of this construction phase. If that's something that

679
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,520
the municipality wanted to pursue, Equinoe would be open to looking at that with

680
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:31,660
However, I would like to say that at this point, the only parking dedicated to the park is our temporary,

681
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:37,620
but it ended up being in multiple years, gravel access road here along the east side of the park

682
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:43,040
with the intention that people would park parallel along that gravel access road and or at the end.

683
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:48,200
It's my understanding that that parking doesn't really happen as much as the intent was.

684
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:59,540
When both of these roads are built, there will be frontage all the way along both of the outsides of the park, which don't have houses fronting on them.

685
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:05,300
That would be available for parallel parking, for access, for use of the park.

686
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:16,180
So there should be, you know, we can have some discussion or from municipalities direction and some discussion on how much parking would make sense for this park.

687
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:20,000
And there's, like I said, there are different options on that.

688
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:25,010
And when you say it's a question of how, do you mean it's a question of money?

689
00:52:25,090 --> 00:52:28,490
Because you'd be for fitting land or you'd want a partnership with the municipality?

690
00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:32,570
No, because it's the land's not the issue.

691
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:34,930
It's the actual construction of the parking lot itself.

692
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:35,230
Oh, I see.

693
00:52:35,230 --> 00:52:42,210
Okay, in terms of cost indeed and there are there is some money still available in that original park budget that could be allocated towards that

694
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:49,450
Okay, okay, so I think a legitimate concern with a possible path forward to respond to some of those considerations

695
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:51,310
It's absolutely true, especially with the demographic

696
00:52:51,310 --> 00:52:52,610
I expect you're trying to

697
00:52:52,610 --> 00:53:00,390
Partly attract for your next phase that the utilization of that perk both internally and then by the rest of the community as it grows

698
00:53:00,390 --> 00:53:03,890
Will only increase and I know we have had concerns

699
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:07,030
and I've been concerned about disruption for sure.

700
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:11,270
Okay, good. I think that's very helpful. Thank you.

701
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:17,530
And sorry, if I could just respond. We did a quick Google search account for O'Sullivan.

702
00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:26,610
So on the EQ Homes website, they do speak to donating to the Reforestation through Tree Canada for every home that's built.

703
00:53:26,810 --> 00:53:31,270
So it is available on the EQ Homes website and we're happy to pass that information along to you.

704
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:36,310
And, of course, I guess the trees get planted anywhere in Canada, right?

705
00:53:36,350 --> 00:53:37,650
Yeah, so it's not specific to the community.

706
00:53:38,350 --> 00:53:43,770
Yeah, so it's not specific, but we do like to offset the wood that we use in our housing construction.

707
00:53:43,770 --> 00:53:46,330
Oh, we'll see. Okay. Good. Thank you. Thank you.

708
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:49,730
You'll be ready for the next meeting now, when that comes up.

709
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:53,850
Sorry, Evan, you're saying the program is to offset the wood that you're using in the construction,

710
00:53:54,070 --> 00:53:55,910
not the trees that were removed from the land or both?

711
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:57,410
Yeah. I did a quick Google.

712
00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:05,010
So I think that's it, but I, that was the first thing I saw, again, quick Google,

713
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:10,390
but I know they are working to offset the works that they're doing as a whole.

714
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,880
Yes, Councilor Sullivan.

715
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,300
And those are trees for Canada, not necessarily trees for North Grenville?

716
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:26,860
So I believe it was initially tree Canada and now they're looking to kind of hone that into

717
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:34,240
Ontario because it's through a program. Okay, but our little part of Ontario like North

718
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:43,400
Grenville? Yes, we would like that. So would we. I have another question. So since

719
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:49,740
people don't really have a place to park at that park right now, I just want to

720
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:53,460
know are there sidewalks planned for all those streets in there so that

721
00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:57,280
that children and families can get to that park safely?

722
00:54:57,860 --> 00:54:59,660
So the intent is that there'll be a sidewalk on...

723
00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:00,080
Oh, sorry.

724
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,640
The intent is that there'll be a sidewalk.

725
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,480
The proposal is that there'll be a sidewalk

726
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,680
on one side of the road for the entirety of street two

727
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,680
and the entirety of street one,

728
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:14,160
which will go along the side of the park on both sides

729
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,380
and tie into the sidewalks on Royal Ending Gate.

730
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,780
Along with connecting a walkway,

731
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:30,200
a multi-use pathway along this walkway block

732
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,560
to the existing pathway along the old closed road allowance

733
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:39,520
and a walkway pathway that would be around the pond

734
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,040
and connecting into the Passive Park.

735
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:44,760
Okay, thank you.

736
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,760
Okay, council colleagues over here

737
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,940
before we hear from the next person.

738
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:54,160
Are you okay?

739
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:57,060
Good, okay, okay, thanks so much.

740
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:00,300
Any other members of the public?

741
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:06,380
I see a few here. Okay, we've got two, so we're going to hear from our first speaker

742
00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:08,520
and then we'll hear from someone at the back.

743
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:14,570
Sorry to make you walk. We apologize.

744
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:25,220
There was a comment about parking. I didn't realize there was a comment about parking.

745
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:32,660
I live very close to the park. My grandchildren enjoy it and then a whole bunch of people's

746
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:39,820
grandchildren enjoy it but the thing is on the top of the map is north the north

747
00:56:39,820 --> 00:56:44,720
side of Royal Land and Gate there are no sidewalks. The north side of Royal Land

748
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,960
and Gate is where most people park to bring their children and so they have

749
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:53,440
one-year-olds two-year-olds three-year-olds very young children some

750
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,580
of them are even lucky to have more than one with them and they have to

751
00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:01,840
get out of their vehicles on a road it has not just construction traffic

752
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:11,780
but residential traffic as well, and make their way to the park. The area on the

753
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:18,460
edge of sea where the road stops by the park, but there's an old gravel road

754
00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:27,760
there, once they put the houses in, they'll be basically at the edge of the

755
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:35,540
park so you've got 100 feet probably whatever the lot depth is where people

756
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:44,500
might park. That old road that gets filled up almost every evening in the

757
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:50,540
summer and they're nice they actually put a there's a nice a little washroom

758
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:59,720
there, which is nice, but this park gets used a lot. And there's no safe place to park along

759
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:05,320
Royal Landing Gate when you're trying to get a bunch of kids out of a vehicle. And so if

760
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,140
they're going to put a parking lot in there, I hope it's going to be a big parking lot.

761
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:16,860
because a lot of people from outside of Equinel use that park.

762
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:18,980
Thank you.

763
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Great.

764
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:27,040
I think you've added some real perspective there in terms of park usage and some of the risks

765
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:31,160
and frustrations I'm sure for parents and grandparents who are having to drive there.

766
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,820
So thank you very much for raising that.

767
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:33,700
It's an important point.

768
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:34,880
We appreciate it.

769
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:35,860
Okay.

770
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,640
We've got Mr. Kennan, I think, in the back.

771
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,660
Anyone else? I'm just making another call of members of the public. Okay.

772
00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:47,640
Thank you. Welcome.

773
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:58,460
Thank you, Madam Mayor and Council. Carl Cannon, Affordable Housing Task Force, amongst

774
00:58:58,460 --> 00:59:04,280
other capacities. I hadn't really planned to speak, so I hope my comments are somewhat

775
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:10,240
coherent. I did provide submission with respect to the application. I don't know

776
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,240
So procedurally whether council gets a copy of all correspondence received, so I did provide

777
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:23,740
some detail through David Natten, so I don't know if all the council got that, but maybe

778
00:59:23,740 --> 00:59:25,720
I'll touch upon some of those comments.

779
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,340
Did you all receive the correspondence?

780
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:28,920
Ah, okay.

781
00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:33,980
I just note procedurally in most municipalities when there's a public meeting and public

782
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:40,380
submits comments. Actual copies of the comments are received by council or the committee so

783
00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:47,040
they have a full appreciation of the issues identified rather than a paraphrase. I would

784
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,080
suggest operationally. That's how we did it years ago and I would say to you that's what

785
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:57,640
many do. So I would suggest in the past was a practice that we have in the past.

786
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,040
That's for that.

787
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,720
I've forwarded it, and I think you're pointing to a new practice.

788
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,880
I'm just saying procedurally.

789
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:05,120
Indeed.

790
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,060
And moving forward, that might be a good thing to do.

791
01:00:08,140 --> 01:00:10,080
That way you get appreciation.

792
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:17,860
But I'll note just generally here, the proposal notes there will be 93 single-detached dwelling units

793
01:00:17,860 --> 01:00:24,860
and an unspecified number of semi-detached and townhouse units for a total of 141 units.

794
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:36,400
The proposal is, as I understand it, based on material submitted for 14 units per gross hectare as a density, which is under the minimum density for the urban service area.

795
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:44,420
This is within the urban service area. The minimum density in the official plan is 18 units per hectare.

796
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:56,600
As it was identified by the planner from the regional group that part of achieving affordable housing is by having a mix of housing types available.

797
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,440
Also associated with that is having a higher density.

798
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:12,800
And then thirdly associated with that is an actual commitment and delineation of units, a number of units or percentage of units of the development that will be affordable.

799
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:23,480
And that is achieved by, in essence, having not a lower standard, but not maybe all the amenities that other units may have within a development.

800
01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:32,070
So the proponent or developer can develop maybe a marginally smaller unit and not have the same finishings within the unit,

801
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:37,760
and that basically through subdivision agreements or site plan control or through other measures,

802
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,780
it says X numbers of units within this development will meet the definition of affordable and

803
01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:51,040
I do note that and I don't mean this to sound maybe as it does but being cheaper than Ottawa

804
01:01:51,540 --> 01:01:56,740
doesn't mean that it is by definition affordable and being affordable does not by definition

805
01:01:56,740 --> 01:01:57,800
mean that it's cheap.

806
01:01:58,580 --> 01:02:04,840
There are well built affordable housing that can be achieved and that through the official

807
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:09,860
plan of the municipality has been identified as an objective of this community.

808
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:21,140
And I would say recognizing this is phase five of this particular development and that there

809
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:29,440
has been change through time, but really this isn't a slogan that the task force has taken,

810
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,000
but I would say that now is always the time to address affordable housing.

811
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:38,220
So you have an opportunity before you, through this proposal,

812
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:42,900
to try to work towards the objectives of your official plan.

813
01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:50,960
You have to start sometime, and I think, as noted, that Equinell has not in the past

814
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,600
and nor has the standard been there for them, so I'm not being critical of them,

815
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:01,540
But the standard is being identified as an objective and you start working towards that.

816
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:12,240
So the density is under that, that is identified by the official plan of density as part of the way it means to achieve affordability.

817
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:17,760
Through the density you can also enhance the mixed type of accommodation within the development.

818
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,680
And as is noted, in this particular development, 93 single-family attached dwellings have been

819
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:33,640
identified, and that is about 66% of the development when your official plan says that 30% of the

820
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:39,840
development should be something other than semi-detached and single-detached.

821
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,480
So it does not define how many semi-detached units are going to be in this development,

822
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,680
Just, nor does it say how many townhouse units are going to be in this development.

823
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:55,360
So you don't know if you're achieving your objective of the mixed type in your,

824
01:03:55,740 --> 01:03:58,420
in this development as identified in the official plan.

825
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,240
You know you're not achieving the density,

826
01:04:00,620 --> 01:04:03,460
and you have no awareness of whether you're achieving the mixed type

827
01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:07,280
that you're trying to achieve in your official plan based on what's identified.

828
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,640
Nor does it speak to all the rental component.

829
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:20,440
There is an objective in the official plan to work towards enhancing the rental percentage

830
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,060
in your municipality.

831
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,200
The official plan does not officially set a target.

832
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,720
It sets that as an objective, and it says that some date planning staff should be coming

833
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:35,280
back to you and saying, here's our target for rental, but I know they're busy.

834
01:04:35,860 --> 01:04:38,900
But that's certainly something that they should be working to.

835
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:45,320
So the mix identified in the official plan is 69% low, 21% meeting, and 11% high density.

836
01:04:46,060 --> 01:04:51,280
So again, you don't know if you're achieving that based on this proposal on the deficiency of information.

837
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,680
So it all leads to what I suggest you do about that moving forward.

838
01:04:58,260 --> 01:05:06,300
I think as Mr. Natton identified, the second component of the resolution identified earlier in the presentation

839
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:09,860
was that obviously the comments received tonight be taken away,

840
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:13,660
and then when this matter reappears before council,

841
01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:17,780
because it ultimately comes back for council for resolution and direction and bylaws,

842
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:24,680
that the resolution that Mr. Natt noted was that comments that you received tonight,

843
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:30,700
so they identify those and recognize how they may or may not have achieved those particular comments.

844
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:38,840
So I'm suggesting to that part of that matter that comes back to you at a later date specifically speaks to density,

845
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:45,980
the mix type, how many units are going to be affordable and whether there are opportunities or how they're looking at rental.

846
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:55,260
So I would say there needs to be a firm commitment in the subdivision agreement about the number of single detached units,

847
01:05:55,260 --> 01:06:00,120
units, the number of semi-detached units, and the number of townhouse units, rather

848
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:06,680
than just blocks that may be semi and may be townhouse, and in that move towards increasing

849
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:12,580
the density to achieve the 18 units per hectare, which in turn will also, because you will

850
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:17,100
probably be bringing in more townhouse units, that will be increasing your dwelling mix

851
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:17,720
as well.

852
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:25,880
So that would be my suggestion to you is that you should be working towards the 18 units per hectare.

853
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:33,840
And no planner, I can assure you the planner that was here before is going to say that working towards the mix of more townhouses

854
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:42,840
and that 18 units per hectare is going to be problematic in this particular environment.

855
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:48,560
It is not inconsistent with the neighborhood and that they recognize themselves.

856
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,200
They have been transitioning their housing mix through time.

857
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:56,940
Achieving 18 units per hectare is not going to be problematic in that neighborhood

858
01:06:56,940 --> 01:06:58,960
and will work towards the objectives.

859
01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:04,460
So I would suggest to you that they should commit to the number of units by type,

860
01:07:05,140 --> 01:07:07,140
working towards that higher density,

861
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:12,300
and that should be part of the staff report that comes back to you when this matter comes back to council.

862
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:17,120
Basically saying, in the interim period between now and bring it before a council,

863
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,220
this is how we work towards achieving those objectives.

864
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:26,960
And the resolution that Mr. Natten had identified would allow for that,

865
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:35,660
but I would just reinforce that hopefully the council would be expecting to understand those particular comments I just spoke to.

866
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,060
So how many are going to be single? How many are going to be semi?

867
01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:44,300
me, how many are going to be townhouse and house out work towards the 18 units per hectare.

868
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,100
And I think there should still be a reference to what rental opportunities there will be.

869
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:57,520
And hopefully that will work towards, I can't resolve all historical issues, but hopefully

870
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,180
work towards meeting the objective.

871
01:07:59,660 --> 01:08:02,120
I can certainly speak to that more now or another time.

872
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:04,060
Hopefully that helps.

873
01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:10,980
So before you go up, I'll just want to give my council colleagues an opportunity.

874
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,760
Council colleagues, any questions for Mr. Kennedy at the stage?

875
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:22,760
No questions. I think your advice is falling on fertile ground here, at least.

876
01:08:23,260 --> 01:08:27,760
And I would go further to say the definition of what kind of parking accommodations

877
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:34,760
you've already started to think about a number of different Fridays were mentioned by the developer this evening.

878
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:41,040
but if they'll be more specific because there seems to be an issue with parking and parking

879
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,940
on the street contributes to safety issues and we've already heard that there was a

880
01:08:45,940 --> 01:08:51,900
traffic concern so I think given the use of the park some accommodation for parking would

881
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:54,800
be nice to see the next time we see this file.

882
01:08:55,900 --> 01:09:01,140
In addition to the housing considerations, okay, Councillor Sullivan you had asked

883
01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:04,040
the initial question around affordable housing, anything for Mr. Cannon?

884
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:16,300
Just I'm not sure what constitutes low to moderate income, but is $405,000 affordable

885
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:17,820
for lower moderate income?

886
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:24,540
So as I and I was not meaning to be glib, but being less expensive than Ottawa does

887
01:09:24,540 --> 01:09:27,040
not make it affordable in the context of a definition.

888
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,480
So the province does identify through their policy how you calculate affordable.

889
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:40,780
And there is specific formula you have to use and that was part of the task force responsibility

890
01:09:40,780 --> 01:09:47,640
was to bring to council a number that equates to the definition as identified by the province.

891
01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:54,300
So through that process affordable is deemed to be with respect to home ownership

892
01:09:54,300 --> 01:10:03,160
and it could be any type, it could be an apartment or a townhouse or a semi, is $346,946.

893
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:12,240
So I would suggest to you that there should be some onus placed on the proponent to say

894
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:21,440
X number units of this development are going to be within that defined amount of dollars

895
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:22,560
for affordable housing.

896
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:31,780
Now, by doing that, they do because counsel, I think, was quite good in identifying that

897
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:37,360
there are logically, it's appropriate to have an incentive to accommodate affordability.

898
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,980
So by providing X number of units that are affordable, they will then not have to pay

899
01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:47,680
development charges and there are other recommendations relevant to various fees and other components

900
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,760
that would be associated with those units that meet the definition of affordable.

901
01:10:51,760 --> 01:11:00,740
So there are some incentives that Council has made to say we recognize you could sell these units for a lot more money.

902
01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:06,440
But that's not the objective of the municipality. I mean, I appreciate that's an objective of the developer.

903
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:12,760
So there has to be a reasonable balance of the developer getting their objective and the community getting their objective as well.

904
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,520
And you've identified a number of financial incentives to assist them.

905
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:26,200
So I'm saying the subdivision agreement should say X number of units shall meet the definition of affordable and that should be in the subdivision agreement.

906
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:43,840
And I think we've identified that Equinell is largely but not totally a community of seniors and there are seniors who are downsizing who may not have a whole lot of cash flow.

907
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:52,840
But they also can't take on a 25 or 30-year mortgage whereas someone starting out with their first home could do that.

908
01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:58,260
I think we have to look at the municipalities a whole, not just particular neighborhoods.

909
01:11:58,620 --> 01:12:06,840
And all neighborhoods have to be in a way that they can accommodate to the needs of the broader community.

910
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,160
Thank you.

911
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,160
Council Colleagues, we have someone else to speak.

912
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:15,540
Mr. Noseworthy is here.

913
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:19,020
Unless there's more for Mr. Cannon, we'll invite Mr. Noseworthy.

914
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:19,800
Thank you, Mr. Cannon.

915
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,740
Just stand by in case we need more.

916
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,080
Welcome, Mr. Noseworthy.

917
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,800
You've stepped up to the mic rather last minute.

918
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,340
Yes, thank you very much.

919
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:33,000
I'm sorry.

920
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:35,920
Robert Noseworthy, 134 Kempton Court.

921
01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:37,480
I live in Campbell.

922
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:42,880
Well, I'm coming here officially as the chair of the North Grindel Home Billage Association.

923
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,000
Actually, I'm just getting over pneumonia, so you'll probably see me reach for water and cough a bit.

924
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,060
But I have an objection.

925
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,220
I totally understand about affordable housing, and I understand about the fertile ground,

926
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:59,960
and I understand about the need for it, and I understand the concerns that we have.

927
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,320
My concern or my objection as the chair of the Home Billage Association

928
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:11,260
is that Equinnell, who has invested over ten years ago into this particular project,

929
01:13:11,980 --> 01:13:16,940
is being asked to make a change after they have committed resources,

930
01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:23,160
they have committed to a world-class golf course, they've committed to a community,

931
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:28,160
and what you're saying is that, and what I'm hearing Mr. Cannon say,

932
01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:30,100
or at least this is what I heard him say,

933
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:34,660
is that if those houses don't come in under $346,000,

934
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:38,340
then they might not be approved or that mix should not be approved.

935
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,320
My concern is that if we're going to impose this,

936
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:45,260
and the task force has been organized 13 months ago,

937
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,800
has come forth with its recommendations,

938
01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:50,020
I totally understand the recommendations.

939
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:51,700
I understand the need for them.

940
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,040
But I'm saying that you need to impose them on subdivisions

941
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,080
and on lands that haven't been purchased up to now.

942
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:07,180
Because as a developer and as a home builder, we invest in a property, we invest with an opportunity that we see five years down the road.

943
01:14:07,540 --> 01:14:17,800
It's never the next week or the next month or 13 months away when we make those investments in the land and then in the infrastructure and then in building the actual homes.

944
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:19,140
These things take years.

945
01:14:19,140 --> 01:14:24,580
So my concern is that we're imposing on Equinel, and I'm defending them now somewhat,

946
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:31,260
is that you're imposing on them something that has come up in the last 13 months or three months

947
01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:38,020
in terms of the final recommendations and on something that they've already committed over 10 years ago

948
01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:42,480
and you can't ask them to change their plans this late in the game.

949
01:14:42,980 --> 01:14:47,200
What you can do going forward is you can say we have a policy in the municipality,

950
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:53,520
The policy is that we're going to follow the recommendations of the task force and we're

951
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:59,960
going to impose this particular mix on any new lands and any new sub-division.

952
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,100
So we're going to do some of the decisions that are created from those lands so that the developer knows today what they're getting into for five years from now.

953
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:16,420
So to impose that on Equinell at this particular, I think at this late hour, I think is unreasonable. So proceed as you wish.

954
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,800
Okay, we're not imposing anything at this point.

955
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:24,000
Well I heard, we're discussing, exactly.

956
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,760
This is I understand that and that's why I'm here because I'm not prepared. I was not prepared for this

957
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,200
I came for another matter all together different, but I'm also

958
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,960
As the chair of the homebillers Association, I have to defend not only equinelle

959
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,980
But the other developers that would be imposed on in the same man

960
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,740
Excuse me the suggested imposition that is put on them

961
01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:52,760
Which I think is at this late hour or this late in the game. It's

962
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:58,760
not reasonable. Yes sir. So I'm going to hear from Councillor Berkeley and Councillor

963
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:04,160
O'Sullivan and then I have my self on the list. Mr. Noseby, we are having a

964
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,260
dialogue with you at this moment. Yes, yes, thank you. Okay, thank you. So we'll

965
01:16:08,260 --> 01:16:09,820
we'll have Councillor Berkley start.

966
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,580
The official plan calls for certain

967
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:18,900
goals in affordable housing and that's been those goals have been in the

968
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:20,020
official plan for how long?

969
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:21,020
About a year.

970
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:22,280
Just a single year.

971
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,760
We're now year one, and correct me if we're 13 months,

972
01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:27,440
but give or take a month or two.

973
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,760
That official plan came in just over a year ago.

974
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,040
So it's not just in the last three months, it's been a year.

975
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,520
In the last three months, the recommendations

976
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:36,940
came from the task force.

977
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,760
And those recommendations come forward.

978
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,800
Well, yeah, they were tasked with coming up

979
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,360
with a made in North Grenville definition

980
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:45,340
of affordability.

981
01:16:45,460 --> 01:16:47,460
They finally defined what affordable housing is.

982
01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:52,780
official plan for a year, if not longer. I remember the Health and Wellness Council

983
01:16:53,260 --> 01:17:01,220
back in 2014, I think it was, made some recommendations to have affordability into the official plan.

984
01:17:01,460 --> 01:17:05,160
So the developers in this community have known for a long time that it's been a goal of

985
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,140
this community to have affordable housing. Okay, so I'll be very careful. I'm going

986
01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:10,980
to interrupt you, Councillor Bartlett, and I apologize for this, but everybody

987
01:17:10,980 --> 01:17:15,420
who buys a home from me today and buys a home from Equinel considers that home

988
01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:20,360
to be affordable. And what you heard from the Equinel representatives is that sales

989
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,440
are brisk. When sales are brisk and we're in a period of where there's increasing

990
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:29,820
costs everywhere, it's very very difficult to change everything that you're

991
01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:38,380
doing and to all of a sudden what sell the home at a loss? No. Right. So we need

992
01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:41,660
to work with developers and vice versa. The developers need to work with the

993
01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:45,200
communities. So last year we've been talking about affordability and we've

994
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,640
struggled and worked very hard to define what that means for this community. And

995
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,920
I'm glad we have that. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's not that I'm not

996
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,500
debating any of that. What I'm debating is the fact is that you're

997
01:17:56,500 --> 01:18:02,140
imposing something on an existing subdivision and I hate to say it this

998
01:18:02,140 --> 01:18:05,700
way but I'm going to say it this way. Birds of a feather flock together.

999
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:09,320
You've created a world-class golf course community. You've invested

1000
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,540
millions of dollars to make it that way. They've created a community center, they've

1001
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:18,280
put in a splash pad, a public park, they've invested in an infrastructure, and

1002
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:24,080
it would be very very challenging to put in what I'll call or houses under

1003
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:29,980
$346,000 on that particular property because it would devalue every home

1004
01:18:29,980 --> 01:18:36,000
that is in that property today. And I'm not sure that I don't know how many

1005
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,280
people they have, let's say 800 homes, you'd have 800 to 1,000 people at this

1006
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,140
meeting next time complaining about the devaluation of their home. So we want to

1007
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:48,580
be careful to impose it on an existing subdivision or future ones. That's my

1008
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:51,340
comment. Okay,

1009
01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:00,240
we're having a debate. No, we're getting very close to talking

1010
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,280
about blockbusting and that kind of thing that you know which we're

1011
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,820
getting we're getting dangerously close to an area that I don't think we

1012
01:19:06,820 --> 01:19:12,720
want to be. Okay, so I'm not going to comment any further. Okay, thank you. I'll go to

1013
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:17,120
Councillor Sullivan and of course, Councillor Barker, I did need to cut

1014
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,660
you off and if you want to make some additional comments after Councillor

1015
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:26,340
Sullivan, please feel free to do so. I too feel somewhat uncomfortable with the

1016
01:19:26,340 --> 01:19:31,220
kind of argumentations being put forward. So not because I don't think

1017
01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:35,520
there's merit on both sides, but I actually think there's a really great

1018
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,340
middle ground here and it is achievable by the municipality and by the developer.

1019
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:40,800
But we'll go to Councillor Sullivan.

1020
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:42,820
Thank you.

1021
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:51,780
I can certainly appreciate what you're saying about someone who's made a plan to put so

1022
01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:58,420
many houses and sell so many houses on a parcel of land and then are asked to increase

1023
01:19:58,420 --> 01:19:58,960
the density.

1024
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:13,700
However, Equinell has already said on several occasions that I've heard that they have changed their plan based on market demand.

1025
01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:19,400
And another subdivision that was the same way was the Tempo Subdivision.

1026
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:25,600
it changed from being primarily an adult single-family home subdivision to

1027
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:31,560
something that was a little more two-stories and family based on the

1028
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:37,380
demand in the market. So I don't believe that there was a whole lot of townhouses

1029
01:20:37,380 --> 01:20:41,580
if ever planned in Equinelle and now they are and the same with the

1030
01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:47,920
apartment buildings. So Equinelle has changed based on market demand and so

1031
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:55,280
So I don't think this is an unreasonable ask, and in fact, increasing density in the bottom

1032
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,920
line probably increases their income for the number of houses that they can build.

1033
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:06,440
And we're not talking about creating a slum, that's the last thing we want to have.

1034
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:16,260
We're talking about integrating a variety of housing styles and costs within a community.

1035
01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:25,060
And some people may have a high paying job that may be related to high tech that might just disappear in a day.

1036
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:35,820
And other people may have be very hard working at a moderate income job and will be stable and will be there.

1037
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:38,480
You never know who the millionaire next door is.

1038
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:44,280
So I think we have to be really careful that we are inclusive of everybody

1039
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,880
and everybody has a right to live in the subdivision.

1040
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:53,040
And I think we need to make affordable housing for not just seniors,

1041
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:54,920
but new people starting out.

1042
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:57,620
Of course we agree with you.

1043
01:21:58,060 --> 01:22:02,800
And of course, you know, as you say, you know, we are responding to market conditions

1044
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:07,740
and that's why we are looking at housing choices at all walks of, you know,

1045
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,720
at different times of life.

1046
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:15,380
and that in this particular phase that first-ever we're going to look at two-story towns.

1047
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,420
We are also exploring the market to make sure there is a market for that,

1048
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,500
but we do believe I was texting my marketing manager making sure

1049
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:28,060
and he's like, yeah, if we would like to look at two stories in this phase,

1050
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,560
which is a first-ever for Equinol.

1051
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:37,580
And we certainly are looking at the sort of medium four-story apartment blocks throughout Equinol,

1052
01:22:37,580 --> 01:22:42,480
But the reason why you haven't seen one in a while is because there isn't a market.

1053
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:50,700
For whatever reason, we're not finding that there is, you know, a response for that in this particular community.

1054
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:55,620
Maybe it's more best suited down in the downtown where there's more services, there's more transit.

1055
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:01,180
But out in Equinoa, you know, there really is not good transit service for that kind of form of housing.

1056
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,020
But, you know, we're not saying that we don't want to meet the targets.

1057
01:23:06,020 --> 01:23:11,480
We're just saying that because of the policies, we actually don't just fall under the targets

1058
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:12,260
of the official plan.

1059
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,140
We actually have a special section in your official plan for the Equinell community.

1060
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:24,340
And we have a cap of a certain housing number of that 1,100 or something, if it was.

1061
01:23:25,020 --> 01:23:31,580
And so we couldn't build Equinell to have all these high-density, affordable housing.

1062
01:23:32,420 --> 01:23:35,040
We wouldn't meet that we'd be go past our target.

1063
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:42,980
And so this community has been planned a long time ago in a certain mix, a certain type of form around, as you say,

1064
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,640
is a luxurious sort of golf course world renowned.

1065
01:23:47,980 --> 01:23:54,480
And it has changed and people have wondered why, you know, they wanted to have a lifestyle community and the empty nesters

1066
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,640
and they've kind of challenged us of, I can't believe you're bringing kids in here.

1067
01:23:58,740 --> 01:24:03,820
But, you know, that's what makes a complete community is to have all opportunities for everyone.

1068
01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:13,240
You know, we even explore there is a partner that we have in smaller communities and other places that we've partnered up to do rental housing.

1069
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:24,300
And there is that opportunity where, you know, in these applications, they're not designed to say a commitment to that we're going to put rental housing here.

1070
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:31,600
We're just creating the pattern for the street. And from there, we then start trying to respond to the market.

1071
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,060
We have a general idea of where we want to put the towns.

1072
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,320
We have a general idea of where we want to put the singles.

1073
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,860
And the singles are a variety types of singles, by the way,

1074
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:42,580
and that offers that affordability as well.

1075
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,240
So if someone wants to live in a single,

1076
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,620
they can't afford the 50-foot wide single.

1077
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,900
They maybe could afford the 31-foot, you know.

1078
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,640
So we're not objecting to wanting to meet affordability.

1079
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:59,120
We're just saying that to say that we have to meet the 25%,

1080
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:05,260
all of a sudden is very difficult but we are open to continuing to try to strive

1081
01:25:05,260 --> 01:25:08,480
for that and for those opportunities in the community.

1082
01:25:11,290 --> 01:25:13,070
Yes, you know, oh go ahead

1083
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:20,750
so my calculation is that out of that out of this phase 25% would be 35 of

1084
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:30,300
the 141 homes that would be classified as affordable in that phase. Is that

1085
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:36,420
not reasonable? You can do the math that way but it also is just the unit types I

1086
01:25:36,420 --> 01:25:39,560
would want to figure out well how many towns are we actually fitting on these

1087
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:45,680
blocks. Right now we have a general target of 141 units but when we get

1088
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,920
our market when we go into detailed engineering design and we really want to

1089
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,580
commit to the number of units we actually drill down on right now it's

1090
01:25:53,580 --> 01:25:57,400
been plotted for townhomes that are bungalows they take up a lot of space

1091
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,400
but we want to look at two-story they're gonna actually tighten up and there

1092
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,580
will be more units so to start saying that we're gonna commit to a number of

1093
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:09,960
units in here is affordable I can't do that because we're talking about two

1094
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:14,720
years from now when we're gonna start selling homes in this area and building

1095
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,600
homes in this area I I don't know what two years from now is gonna look like

1096
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,080
are we gonna have a hot market like we do this year or is it gonna cool down

1097
01:26:25,210 --> 01:26:34,770
Okay. I mean, you know, I certainly, Mr. Noseworthy, respect you immensely as a leader in the community and a very fine home-builder.

1098
01:26:34,810 --> 01:26:38,410
I think we know how game-changing Equinel has been as a developer here.

1099
01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:48,390
And having knocked on a lot of doors in Equinel, people are extremely happy who have chosen to purchase due to a high quality living experience, no doubt.

1100
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:55,750
But I would also say that builders live in an evolving policy landscape, as we all do,

1101
01:26:56,270 --> 01:27:00,410
and that this community spoke pretty loud and clear that they wanted action on housing.

1102
01:27:01,010 --> 01:27:04,530
That doesn't come from four people at this table, that comes from the community.

1103
01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:14,410
And our establishment of a mayoral task force last January had over 40 applicants who wanted to serve on the task force.

1104
01:27:14,410 --> 01:27:17,490
We had a very rigorous process.

1105
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:19,210
We felt it was substantive.

1106
01:27:19,410 --> 01:27:27,970
We felt it was reflective of the different needs

1107
01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:29,770
and the varying needs of people in the community.

1108
01:27:30,230 --> 01:27:32,770
And we also looked at past policy documents

1109
01:27:32,770 --> 01:27:35,250
that are the policy framework for the municipality.

1110
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:37,710
So the official plan matters.

1111
01:27:37,870 --> 01:27:38,290
It's relevant.

1112
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:41,810
We understand that maybe it hasn't had elements of it,

1113
01:27:41,810 --> 01:27:48,070
that haven't had the same degree of attention, and of course, I think our certainly planning

1114
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:54,390
department and other staff are adjusting to new priorities within certainly the municipality

1115
01:27:54,390 --> 01:28:00,290
as the council seeks to deliver on a mandate that was given to us by overwhelmingly by

1116
01:28:00,290 --> 01:28:02,170
residents and business leaders here.

1117
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:06,270
So my hope is that we can strike a balance, that there can be some additional work

1118
01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:12,670
done to better define where Equinell can achieve some of those targets.

1119
01:28:13,290 --> 01:28:17,590
I don't think anyone is looking to be unreasonable, but we are looking to see movement and Equinell

1120
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:19,010
is a major, major player.

1121
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:24,110
I don't think this is the only conversation we plan to have with builders in this community.

1122
01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:25,330
It's not just Equinell.

1123
01:28:28,030 --> 01:28:29,490
It's community-wide.

1124
01:28:29,490 --> 01:28:33,510
So I believe that there is a way forward.

1125
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:36,910
I think some specificity is required.

1126
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:40,030
The official plan is a document that is developed

1127
01:28:40,030 --> 01:28:41,650
with a lot of community consultation.

1128
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:43,590
It doesn't come out of thin air.

1129
01:28:44,170 --> 01:28:45,710
It's an iterative document.

1130
01:28:46,090 --> 01:28:49,830
It is, you know, obviously written in a way

1131
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:52,290
that is intended and mandated by the province

1132
01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:54,710
to reflect the priorities and preoccupations

1133
01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:58,030
of the community, and our community is changing.

1134
01:28:58,030 --> 01:29:02,350
And a lot of the people I heard from personally who might have reached out to me just because

1135
01:29:02,350 --> 01:29:08,210
of the task force itself are people who have been here for decades who are looking for

1136
01:29:08,210 --> 01:29:09,230
other options.

1137
01:29:09,490 --> 01:29:15,370
And we know that there will be some movement on rental and that's important because we

1138
01:29:15,370 --> 01:29:19,730
know that certainly at the beginning of your adult life or at the end, rental may

1139
01:29:19,730 --> 01:29:20,670
be your best option.

1140
01:29:21,230 --> 01:29:25,950
But there's a lot of people in the middle there that are looking for more affordable

1141
01:29:25,950 --> 01:29:31,630
housing options that I think would only enrich Equinal and create a really vibrant place.

1142
01:29:32,610 --> 01:29:36,350
So I think we need to do our part and some of what you spoke about in terms of transit

1143
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:40,950
or accessibility and what's desirable in terms of the housing mix.

1144
01:29:41,790 --> 01:29:46,010
The municipality needs to do its part too and we need to think really proactively about

1145
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:50,650
how do people move around this community and given different housing mixes and different

1146
01:29:50,650 --> 01:29:55,130
parts of the community are we just going to not assume that there isn't a need

1147
01:29:55,130 --> 01:29:59,250
for public transit or are we really going to be real about how people

1148
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,900
We choose to live here, move within the community, and get their basic needs met.

1149
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:20,400
So lots of thinking to do on our end. I think you're hearing that we'd like you to sit down with planning and do some additional reflection and strategizing about where you may be able to be more precise and align a little better with the official plan.

1150
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,920
And I think at this stage, that's a fair ask.

1151
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:27,880
I don't think we're defining what the threshold is now,

1152
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,180
though the official plan is a pretty clear document.

1153
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,800
So those are my thoughts.

1154
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,340
But North Cranville is a tremendous community.

1155
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,280
It is incredibly caring.

1156
01:30:39,740 --> 01:30:41,660
I don't know of a better community, certainly not

1157
01:30:41,660 --> 01:30:42,160
in Ontario.

1158
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,340
And I think we can get here together.

1159
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:45,680
And I think you can get your win.

1160
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,300
And I think we can get ours.

1161
01:30:47,460 --> 01:30:49,160
So I don't want anyone to leave this meeting

1162
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:54,840
with a bad taste in their mouth, but I do believe that we've got to regroup and do a little

1163
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,220
more homework. I'm going to go over to Councillor Sullivan.

1164
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:05,700
Thank you. And I think one of your comments about devaluing the existing homes in there,

1165
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:13,480
I don't have any probably solid evidence that I, but my hunch is that that's not

1166
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:20,280
the case that it would not happen. I believe that I live in a very well-built house and

1167
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:26,180
in a wonderful community, but the true value of that community is the people that live

1168
01:31:26,180 --> 01:31:33,180
in there and what's around it, the rail trail, the creek, and the neighbors that I have.

1169
01:31:33,620 --> 01:31:38,500
I think that's what Equinell has going for it is a wonderful community. I have a lot

1170
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:43,640
of friends who live in there and the golf course, the community center, the people.

1171
01:31:44,140 --> 01:31:48,460
That's what makes that community and I disagree that houses will be devalued.

1172
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:53,980
We're not asking you to build shacks, you just don't have to put granite countertops

1173
01:31:53,980 --> 01:31:55,480
in every bathroom and every kitchen.

1174
01:31:55,860 --> 01:32:01,500
It's the interior things that really up the price because I know the upgrades cost

1175
01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:02,260
a lot of money.

1176
01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:09,980
and so those kinds of things are things that are important to people and I

1177
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:16,520
think as Mayor Peckford said that it could be a win-win both ways that you

1178
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:22,220
can accomplish the targets and still have quality homes in the

1179
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:27,540
neighborhood that variety of people starting out or finishing their having

1180
01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:29,140
in their last home could afford.

1181
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,780
So, may I make a comment?

1182
01:32:32,980 --> 01:32:33,340
Of course.

1183
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:34,040
Thank you.

1184
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,380
You've unleashed this tremendous dialogue,

1185
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:37,040
so absolutely.

1186
01:32:37,540 --> 01:32:39,920
Absolutely, no, it's alive, it's energetic

1187
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,940
and I appreciate the back and forth, that's good.

1188
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,360
I'll just, I'm gonna try and assist

1189
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,260
my Equinell friends again one more time.

1190
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,320
The number that comes up for the affordable housing

1191
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,880
is 346,000 for a single family home.

1192
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,480
Is that our understanding?

1193
01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:59,660
I think I'm confirming that.

1194
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,360
You got that, I got that.

1195
01:33:01,540 --> 01:33:04,040
I wrote it down, Mr. Cannon provided it.

1196
01:33:04,540 --> 01:33:07,920
My concern as the chair of the Home Builders Association

1197
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:14,300
is that this number was derived from only resale homes.

1198
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:19,140
It did not include new home sales in 2018.

1199
01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:24,400
New homes generally are more expensive than resale homes,

1200
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:29,220
and the resale have an opportunity to catch up to the new homes that are being built.

1201
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:34,740
I would believe that number might go up a little bit if you included new home sales

1202
01:33:34,740 --> 01:33:42,100
and then averaged or blended that out and that might help Equinel get closer to the 405,000

1203
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:45,480
and close that gap a bit. That's all. Thank you.

1204
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:51,200
Yeah. The Council report that went on September of 2019,

1205
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:57,160
There was a number that was $405,000 that was related to based on the annual income

1206
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:02,400
of the medium and sort of income and what seemed to be affordable for that medium to

1207
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:02,640
low.

1208
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:08,620
The 346 was based on setting a purchase price that was 10% below the average price.

1209
01:34:09,500 --> 01:34:13,880
What you know, the challenge that we have is new builders is that we're trying

1210
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:18,180
to sell at a market rate price, but we also have to consider the construction cost

1211
01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:25,600
cost of building a home today, and that construction cost, I think we barely build a home, pay the

1212
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:30,000
development charges, which there isn't a clearance of waiving development charges at the point,

1213
01:34:30,180 --> 01:34:34,120
and development charges are important, by the way, to build a home.

1214
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:40,900
In Equinol, one of the things we had done, I think we spent, the internet will have

1215
01:34:40,900 --> 01:34:46,140
to correct me, I think it was $6 million to bring service all the way down to this

1216
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:47,040
area down the street.

1217
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,740
So those are, you know, our sunk costs that we're trying to recoup.

1218
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,960
We're paying the construction costs for today.

1219
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:57,500
So, you know, it's challenging as a new home builder, building these homes,

1220
01:34:57,580 --> 01:35:00,340
and making sure that, you know, they're at that market rate.

1221
01:35:00,820 --> 01:35:04,880
And then when you say, I got to go 10% below the average to meet the 346,

1222
01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:06,760
that's going to be very difficult.

1223
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,420
I'm just looking over in Erin's notes, and in fact it does say

1224
01:35:11,420 --> 01:35:15,080
for a resale unit in the regional market area, 346.

1225
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,600
So it was only resales that were considered.

1226
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:20,420
If you considered new homes, I suspect that average would go up a bit.

1227
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:21,560
Okay, that's all.

1228
01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:23,260
Thank you.

1229
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:24,020
No, that's it.

1230
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:28,400
Yeah.

1231
01:35:31,060 --> 01:35:33,640
Mr. Cannon, I don't know if it's fair to call on you again.

1232
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:37,780
I know that you didn't plan to speak this evening, but can you speak

1233
01:35:37,780 --> 01:35:42,480
or do you recall the rationale in terms of the data that was used

1234
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:46,960
to land on that affordable housing price point?

1235
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:53,320
I know we had social policy experts who worked at the ADM level from the Federal Public Service

1236
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:58,260
who helped to find a methodology so that we could come up with something that was credible.

1237
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:03,680
And I think we just – we'd appreciate a revisit of what that conversation looked like.

1238
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,520
And I would love to give you that.

1239
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:11,600
Now, you may recall, Mr. Nutt knows where they did bring this matter up before previously

1240
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,720
at a public forum we had with respect to affordable housing.

1241
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:25,100
And there was a really good rationale given towards that by Mitch Bloom being our policy guru.

1242
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:33,760
And I certainly had no hesitation to refer him to Mitch directly to hear that again or in some very informed.

1243
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:41,740
I think I acknowledged at the meeting that I was not the person to talk to on that, but however it was quite legitimate.

1244
01:36:41,740 --> 01:36:46,380
So I think, really, I would just want to say, again,

1245
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:51,640
certainly Econel has been progressing through time.

1246
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:57,440
I don't think there is a want to create any particular hardship for them.

1247
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:02,520
But, again, it is a development that is going before you for approval,

1248
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:08,640
which as new development, it may be a phase, but it is a new development

1249
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:15,960
and it needs to meet the criteria identified by council of which the official plan is one of the documents that it must meet.

1250
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:23,740
Now, the document is not hard and fast. It says that these are the objectives of the targets that we think you should be working to.

1251
01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:33,100
So I think recognizing that they have been here for a while, that really is just how can you assist us in moving towards those objectives.

1252
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:38,720
And I think, as you said, without being particularly hard on them moving forward.

1253
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:43,480
So with respect to the plan of subdivision, there are a number of blocks that identify

1254
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:48,220
that can be both semi-detached or townhouse or a combination.

1255
01:37:48,620 --> 01:37:52,900
So they've already accommodated, potentially, that all those units could be townhouse

1256
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:55,040
or they could all be semi.

1257
01:37:55,580 --> 01:38:00,420
All that suggestion was to work towards getting the mix away from being predominantly

1258
01:38:00,420 --> 01:38:05,220
single detached and semi-detached that you identify a number of the units that would

1259
01:38:05,220 --> 01:38:09,820
be at least minimally townhouse so that you can say you're working towards the mix that

1260
01:38:09,820 --> 01:38:14,900
you've identified and that by increasing the density, which is also another objective

1261
01:38:14,900 --> 01:38:20,940
of the documentation towards achieving the maximization of the investments that have

1262
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:24,300
already been made, and towards making units more cost effective.

1263
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:29,900
So I think it's just simply saying it's working within the numbers they project

1264
01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:35,580
themselves because again, if they were all the Hound House, they'd have a higher number of units.

1265
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:41,280
So it's really just how many in those blocks are going to be semi, how many are going to be townhouses,

1266
01:38:41,660 --> 01:38:43,840
and how does that help you achieve your density and mix?

1267
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:50,980
So I think it's all achievable, and all I'm flagging as the co-chair of the Affordable Task Force

1268
01:38:50,980 --> 01:38:56,000
is that every opportunity there's approval before you is your opportunity towards

1269
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:01,320
implementing your objectives of your documentation it's up to you to do what

1270
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:06,020
you think is appropriate and I think you have to consider reasonably their time

1271
01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:09,380
and investment but you also have a community objective to meet so it's

1272
01:39:09,380 --> 01:39:14,860
just again the suggestion is between now and before coming at the council how

1273
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:19,160
how is that how best can you achieve moving towards these objectives and then

1274
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:22,860
you can deliberate at that time so thank you do

1275
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:34,780
we have a representative

1276
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:11,620
So just to facilitate the discussion, this is the concept plan that we're looking at.

1277
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:17,260
Previously, we've been looking at the draft plan that has four blocks that we've identified

1278
01:40:17,260 --> 01:40:19,080
for towns and semis.

1279
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:25,260
The concept plan to get to 141 units is this unit or is this plan here.

1280
01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:27,580
It's a little bit difficult to see.

1281
01:40:28,420 --> 01:40:39,020
However, they are, all of the blocks are three block townhouses except for one, two, three blocks.

1282
01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:49,760
So we are presenting, at this point, as a concept plan, the majority of those, whatever

1283
01:40:49,760 --> 01:41:01,720
the 141 minus 91, or whatever number we're at, 92, so 39 minus 6, we're at 33 townhouses

1284
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,000
of the 141.

1285
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:14,720
These are bungalow townhouses, so it is a very different price point than what we've been talking about in terms of a price point, but in terms of density and numbers calculations.

1286
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:28,680
So I think that we have been talking around a number of different items. We've been talking density calculations, which I'm going to let Steve discuss the area-specific constraints that we have on equinelle.

1287
01:41:29,480 --> 01:41:36,920
We have breakdown of unit types, proposed unit types at this point as a concept plan between townhouses,

1288
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:42,680
semis and singles, which this plan shows what our current concept plan is.

1289
01:41:43,300 --> 01:41:46,220
And then we have an affordability number.

1290
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:51,460
I don't think we need to go back to the affordability number or I don't need to add anything more to that.

1291
01:41:51,460 --> 01:42:02,600
But what I did want to point out was this concept plan, and let Steve speak to the density calculations inherent to Aquino.

1292
01:42:06,700 --> 01:42:14,800
So we've heard tonight that the proposed development falls short on density as articulated in the official plan.

1293
01:42:15,980 --> 01:42:23,580
And that range of density at a minimum should be around 18 to a high of around 45 units per gross hectare.

1294
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:29,880
While that's a general policy in the official plan for all residential development in the urban area,

1295
01:42:30,940 --> 01:42:38,500
the Equinell lands are subject to a site-specific policy section that was developed through an official plan amendment quite a number of years ago,

1296
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:44,320
and that was carried through in recent years, including your current official plan.

1297
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:52,060
And that special policy area puts a cap on the numbers of residential units within the Equinell community.

1298
01:42:52,060 --> 01:42:54,880
And that number is 1108.

1299
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:11,180
So the 1108 total number of units, when you use that to calculate the density for the planned community back when now falls well short of the minimum target of 18 units per gross hectare.

1300
01:43:11,380 --> 01:43:12,380
In fact, it's under 10.

1301
01:43:12,380 --> 01:43:23,540
And while we'd like to get the density up for lots of good reasons, we're limited by that density or that number that's enthrined in the official plan policy for Equinel.

1302
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:28,340
So that's one of the challenges we have in meeting those density targets.

1303
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:34,660
But might I ask, should you have an appetite to exceed what's in the official plan specific to Equinel?

1304
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:37,480
Would you make that request of us?

1305
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,500
Do you feel bound by the official plan?

1306
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:41,880
Is that what you're suggesting?

1307
01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:43,560
Yes, yes, we can't.

1308
01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:49,740
The full build out of Equinel cannot exceed 1108 residential units.

1309
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,140
1100 units in totality.

1310
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:52,660
That's right.

1311
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:53,640
In totality.

1312
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:54,040
That's right.

1313
01:43:54,540 --> 01:44:00,460
And that stipulation crosses several official plans,

1314
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,280
because there would have been a number of official plans

1315
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:03,820
since you were.

1316
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,260
Sorry to interrupt you, but that number

1317
01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:09,000
was established through the Official Plan Amendment

1318
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,700
for the Equinol community when it was first approved.

1319
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:12,580
I see.

1320
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:14,500
And so what I'm saying...

1321
01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:16,540
Was it Equinol's request or was it the municipality?

1322
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:17,640
Does anyone remember?

1323
01:44:18,020 --> 01:44:18,940
Mr. Gerard, you are here.

1324
01:44:19,180 --> 01:44:20,800
You have massive corporate memory.

1325
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:24,920
It was servicing.

1326
01:44:25,060 --> 01:44:26,180
It did tie back to servicing.

1327
01:44:26,340 --> 01:44:26,600
Okay.

1328
01:44:27,020 --> 01:44:30,440
But with changes, with upcoming, forthcoming changes

1329
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:34,660
in servicing capacity, there surely is an argument

1330
01:44:34,660 --> 01:44:39,180
to be made for an adaptive policy and amended policy.

1331
01:44:39,180 --> 01:44:43,420
at some point in the future, what would suggest at this stage?

1332
01:44:46,810 --> 01:44:51,830
Not necessarily, because there are services in place.

1333
01:44:52,290 --> 01:44:58,390
Specifically, pump stations can be upgraded, water storage can be upgraded.

1334
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:59,970
But there is, there's a

1335
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,840
A kilometer and a half of piping down Canterbury 44 that can't be upgraded. Well, I guess it could

1336
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:10,660
be upgraded at a significant cost. Millions and millions of dollars, significant

1337
01:45:10,660 --> 01:45:16,520
cost. Indeed. Great. And I just want to put on the table, this is so helpful. So obviously

1338
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:21,740
thank you for this. But obviously, and I totally accept that Equinell up front did some significant

1339
01:45:21,740 --> 01:45:26,540
cost, but it was in lieu of development charges. It's taken a long time to recoup those

1340
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:31,340
costs, but my understanding is that those costs were up fronted with the full expectation

1341
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:32,300
that they would be recovered.

1342
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:34,740
Not all of them.

1343
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:42,780
So some of them were front-ended and cost-shared, or sorry, front-ended with recoveries on

1344
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:45,440
development charges.

1345
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,900
Some of them are just development costs.

1346
01:45:48,300 --> 01:45:48,820
Development costs.

1347
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:49,120
Yeah.

1348
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:54,540
So I mean, as Erin explained, there is a significant cost that's a development cost.

1349
01:45:55,260 --> 01:46:00,340
Some of it has been recouped by decreases in development charges and we're past that point.

1350
01:46:00,580 --> 01:46:06,760
We've recovered all of the allowable recoveries for servicing both sanitary and water to date.

1351
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:10,800
But it wasn't all recouped.

1352
01:46:11,140 --> 01:46:14,060
It wasn't just a front-ending situation.

1353
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:20,320
There are other significant costs for servicing, sunk costs for servicing in Equinoe.

1354
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:25,710
Okay. Okay. Good. So, I interrupt it. Go ahead.

1355
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:36,390
I just felt that it was important to express to you why we can't meet those minimum density targets that we heard about tonight.

1356
01:46:36,910 --> 01:46:45,070
We are bound by that number, and it's just important to understand that that's a site-specific policy specific to Equinel,

1357
01:46:45,310 --> 01:46:49,890
and that it's different than what would apply to the other urban areas within the community.

1358
01:46:49,890 --> 01:46:50,890
I'll

1359
01:46:54,570 --> 01:46:55,550
go to Councillor Barkley.

1360
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:06,120
Without getting too specific, you say you can't meet the target of 18, the 18 minimum that

1361
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,880
applies to the rest of the urban service area.

1362
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:10,400
Can you move towards it?

1363
01:47:10,620 --> 01:47:13,920
I mean, with the build out of phase five, is that it?

1364
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,240
You've reached your target of 1,108?

1365
01:47:17,580 --> 01:47:17,780
No.

1366
01:47:18,060 --> 01:47:18,200
No.

1367
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:31,000
So is there any, you're saying on average it's 10 units per hectare that you planned on and you're maxed out?

1368
01:47:31,420 --> 01:47:41,600
The 1108 units over the area of the Equinell community works out to about 7.2 units per gross hectare.

1369
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:51,000
And that is far below the minimum that we would be required to meet if it weren't for

1370
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,540
that site-specific policy.

1371
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:53,080
Okay.

1372
01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:56,000
But it's not a constraint on your housing type, right?

1373
01:47:56,200 --> 01:48:00,400
You can have all sorts of diversity in terms of some of what you were showing us, right?

1374
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,860
Bungalow townhouses, et cetera, that can all be well-accommodated.

1375
01:48:04,140 --> 01:48:09,180
The diversity can be accommodated as just a matter of the numbers of units that

1376
01:48:09,180 --> 01:48:09,820
we can accommodate.

1377
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:10,420
Okay.

1378
01:48:11,660 --> 01:48:22,020
Perhaps another conversation is needed so that we sort of better understand some of the historical and current rationale for the constraints that are articulated in the official plan.

1379
01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:32,600
Can I just clarify? Sorry, I was shaking my head when I said we weren't done because we still have Phase 6 that's undeveloped and doesn't have an application in there.

1380
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:38,300
And as we move towards Phase 6 is where we're moving towards our 1,108 potentially.

1381
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:44,900
Okay. You would be just, Councillor Sullivan, once again, you would be moving towards your

1382
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:50,660
1108 in totality with phases five and six. That sort of completes the development. Is

1383
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:55,760
that what you're saying? That's all the land. That's all. Yes. Got it. Okay. Councillor

1384
01:48:55,760 --> 01:49:01,740
Sullivan. Okay. Thank you. I hope I can express this question clearly. So you're

1385
01:49:01,740 --> 01:49:15,880
We're saying for all of the land in Equinel, 1108 homes would equal 7.2 per hectare per

1386
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:15,940
...

1387
01:49:15,940 --> 01:49:16,120
Correct.

1388
01:49:17,740 --> 01:49:18,540
So ...

1389
01:49:18,540 --> 01:49:19,660
Yeah, gross hectare.

1390
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:20,120
Okay.

1391
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:29,520
So, talking net then, if you take away all the land that's devoted to Gulf course,

1392
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:35,360
What does that leave in terms of amount of land that's available for building on?

1393
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,920
That then equates to 13 units per gross hectare.

1394
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:44,480
Okay, so we're talking apples and apples here instead of apples and oranges,

1395
01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:47,160
so we're 13 houses, not 7.5.

1396
01:49:49,420 --> 01:49:55,830
Which is generally what the density that we're proposing for Phase 5.

1397
01:49:56,990 --> 01:49:59,770
I think Phase 5 was 14, if I recall.

1398
01:49:59,770 --> 01:50:00,050
Yes.

1399
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,800
Do you have a proposed density for phase six, the final bill that?

1400
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:08,320
At this point, no.

1401
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:10,900
Deputy Mayor?

1402
01:50:13,610 --> 01:50:15,270
Okay, patiently listen to everyone.

1403
01:50:16,290 --> 01:50:18,210
Lots of great points going back and forth.

1404
01:50:19,890 --> 01:50:23,690
But a couple things, it's actually going to be a little bit.

1405
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:32,870
But I would like, as a planning department liaison, I'd like Director Gerard to step

1406
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:39,970
up for a moment to explain the official planning process that happened for this particular subdivision

1407
01:50:39,970 --> 01:50:40,810
and its uniqueness.

1408
01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:45,090
I'm going to start with that and then I'm going to give some of my points and thoughts

1409
01:50:45,090 --> 01:50:46,310
on the rest of this, okay?

1410
01:50:56,770 --> 01:50:59,030
Okay, I'm going to be relying on my memory now.

1411
01:51:01,470 --> 01:51:07,010
Not just your memory, Director Jarre, but also the premise of how this all works

1412
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:13,730
and the procedures, and Paul, you understand all these plans and things that have gone

1413
01:51:13,730 --> 01:51:18,130
through over the years and what changes have been made, and just to give us an idea of how

1414
01:51:18,130 --> 01:51:18,950
they relate to it.

1415
01:51:19,090 --> 01:51:23,970
I don't need absolute specifics and dates at the time, but give us why this is unique,

1416
01:51:24,110 --> 01:51:24,910
this particular development.

1417
01:51:25,310 --> 01:51:25,510
Right.

1418
01:51:25,870 --> 01:51:33,550
So the original development concept for this development predates amalgamation of

1419
01:51:33,550 --> 01:51:37,610
of Kemphill and Oxford and Rideau, these lands were in Oxford and Rideau township.

1420
01:51:40,630 --> 01:51:45,650
At amalgamation, the urban service area was expanded to include this, so of course the

1421
01:51:45,650 --> 01:51:50,210
logical thing is to have these lands develop on full municipal services.

1422
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:57,250
And at the time there were concerns expressed that, and again I'm relying on my memory

1423
01:51:57,250 --> 01:52:03,830
here, that the size of the land, we knew there was going to be a golf course there, so it

1424
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:07,990
was going to reduce the amount of residential development on the site, but the size of the

1425
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:13,430
area could suck up a substantial amount of capacity at the Kentville Wayswater Treatment

1426
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:17,950
Plant, which had just been twinned, I believe, in 1990, if I'm not mistaken.

1427
01:52:18,490 --> 01:52:24,750
So this is post-emalgamation, this is eight years later, this comes online, which

1428
01:52:24,750 --> 01:52:29,010
is why there was a site-specific official plan amendment for this development that

1429
01:52:29,010 --> 01:52:35,490
capped their capacity allocation, basically, by saying you can't have more than 1,108 units

1430
01:52:35,490 --> 01:52:36,190
on this site.

1431
01:52:37,250 --> 01:52:39,230
So that was the rationale at the time.

1432
01:52:40,450 --> 01:52:47,310
They are two kilometers north of the closest service pipe to extend sewer and water

1433
01:52:47,310 --> 01:52:47,690
out there.

1434
01:52:47,690 --> 01:52:53,690
So at the time, they, at their expense, extended, I believe it's a 12-inch water mean.

1435
01:52:54,090 --> 01:52:54,610
12-inch.

1436
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:59,390
12-inch water mean from counter of 43 all the way down to 44 to the site.

1437
01:52:59,950 --> 01:53:08,350
They also constructed a sanitary force mean with pumps from the site down to Veterans Way

1438
01:53:08,350 --> 01:53:12,850
and then turned on Veterans Way to get down to the back end of the wastewater treatment plant

1439
01:53:12,850 --> 01:53:16,910
and constructed the head works at the wastewater treatment plant to accommodate that

1440
01:53:16,910 --> 01:53:23,190
and in addition to that they twinned the force pane on Veterans Way which allowed

1441
01:53:23,190 --> 01:53:27,590
tempo subdivision decades later when they came along that there was a force

1442
01:53:27,590 --> 01:53:36,130
pane that they could apply into. So back in 19 whatever it was 95 96 dollars there

1443
01:53:36,130 --> 01:53:40,450
was over 3.5 million dollars worth of off-site infrastructure that I could

1444
01:53:40,450 --> 01:53:45,110
all put into this to extend those pipes and those services of which 1.1

1445
01:53:45,110 --> 01:53:50,590
million was credited back to them through development charges which has been recouped

1446
01:53:50,590 --> 01:53:54,570
as recouped several years ago so that that's off the books now.

1447
01:53:55,730 --> 01:54:03,290
So was there anything more specific to the question is about the special official plan

1448
01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:06,690
that they have or the segment that they have within our plan if you could explain

1449
01:54:06,690 --> 01:54:11,890
a little bit on that and are they beholden to that number or any of the causes within

1450
01:54:11,890 --> 01:54:16,310
that plan and or can council have the

1451
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:18,290
program to override anything within that.

1452
01:54:19,090 --> 01:54:22,090
So the number is capped at 1108 units

1453
01:54:22,090 --> 01:54:25,130
for the site. That's an official plan

1454
01:54:25,130 --> 01:54:26,690
policy based on the site specific

1455
01:54:26,690 --> 01:54:28,410
official plan amendment for this

1456
01:54:28,410 --> 01:54:30,910
development. In order to change that

1457
01:54:30,910 --> 01:54:33,050
number they would have to go back and

1458
01:54:33,050 --> 01:54:35,590
have an official plan amendment and we

1459
01:54:35,590 --> 01:54:36,810
would then have to look at our

1460
01:54:36,810 --> 01:54:39,610
servicing capacity allocation and how

1461
01:54:39,610 --> 01:54:46,690
that ties into that whole overall servicing issue but at the present

1462
01:54:46,690 --> 01:54:50,670
time they're capped at 1108 and that council at this point can't say on the

1463
01:54:50,670 --> 01:54:53,810
plan of subdivision wow let's go with it doesn't work that way they have to

1464
01:54:53,810 --> 01:54:58,090
amend the official plan to increase that number indeed but official plans are

1465
01:54:58,090 --> 01:55:02,130
living documents they're meant to to they're not meant to be fixed in time

1466
01:55:02,130 --> 01:55:07,450
with no capacity for amendments or adjustments so there are processes in

1467
01:55:07,450 --> 01:55:12,090
place as there are every five years to update official plans and not to be we

1468
01:55:12,090 --> 01:55:17,570
don't need to be beholden necessarily to a number 20 years ago or 10 years ago

1469
01:55:17,570 --> 01:55:22,750
that may no longer be reflective of their needs or our needs. That then becomes

1470
01:55:22,750 --> 01:55:26,670
the balancing act. Indeed of course. The council has to make the decision on in

1471
01:55:26,670 --> 01:55:31,470
terms of are we going where we're going to put our complaint capacity is

1472
01:55:31,470 --> 01:55:34,650
going to be here or it's going to be somewhere else. It's going to be for

1473
01:55:34,650 --> 01:55:37,190
residential development will be for commercial and ICI development.

1474
01:55:37,450 --> 01:55:40,310
You're talking about sewage treatment capacity, correct?

1475
01:55:40,330 --> 01:55:40,470
And water.

1476
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:41,270
And water.

1477
01:55:41,730 --> 01:55:41,810
Okay.

1478
01:55:42,450 --> 01:55:45,670
Obviously, those are bigger discussions that we're having as a municipality, right?

1479
01:55:45,810 --> 01:55:49,830
They're not about one developer or another, but we are talking about the constraints

1480
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:54,410
that have been placed or the provisions, you know, that are stipulated for a specific

1481
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:55,590
developer in this instance.

1482
01:55:56,590 --> 01:56:02,270
And I would, at this point, I might as well bring the matter up that capacity

1483
01:56:02,270 --> 01:56:09,030
for this subdivision for 191 units will be granted by council once you approve the draft plan of subdivision.

1484
01:56:10,010 --> 01:56:16,910
So if you increase the density here, then that will increase the amount of capacity allocation that you're providing to this particular development,

1485
01:56:17,150 --> 01:56:18,690
which could take it away from other developments.

1486
01:56:21,070 --> 01:56:31,790
Sure. And again, phase five, phases five and the prospective phase six are really foreseen over what, five to ten years, right?

1487
01:56:31,790 --> 01:56:38,610
So we want to take about radical changes or provisions in terms of sewage capacity if we were to at some point revisit

1488
01:56:38,610 --> 01:56:46,170
right, official plan stipulations. And at this point I think housing diversity may be as important as housing density.

1489
01:56:46,450 --> 01:56:50,630
So there are other pieces of this to consider. I've interrupted you, Deputy Mayor. Go ahead.

1490
01:56:50,630 --> 01:56:53,510
Yes, that was phase one. Okay.

1491
01:56:55,590 --> 01:57:02,910
Okay. Just my thinking on the rest of this, when I was

1492
01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:10,690
elected, now we're almost a year or 13 months ago or so, we came into the, you know, I understood

1493
01:57:10,690 --> 01:57:16,450
that the North Carolina vote was growing very quickly. There was, I wouldn't say

1494
01:57:16,450 --> 01:57:19,390
there was issues necessarily in the planning department, there was issues because of

1495
01:57:19,390 --> 01:57:20,510
just this extreme growth.

1496
01:57:22,510 --> 01:57:26,490
I didn't feel necessarily, and I thought of from my colleagues

1497
01:57:26,490 --> 01:57:27,790
as well, that we didn't necessarily

1498
01:57:27,790 --> 01:57:31,170
think development was going the way we thought it should.

1499
01:57:31,930 --> 01:57:32,710
And so early on,

1500
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:35,950
and of course, you

1501
01:57:35,950 --> 01:57:38,970
got to remember that staff answers to counsel

1502
01:57:38,970 --> 01:57:40,210
and what their directors are.

1503
01:57:40,430 --> 01:57:41,950
And every four years, that can change.

1504
01:57:42,150 --> 01:57:43,850
So it can go all over the place.

1505
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:49,110
But so when we first sat down with Director Gerard

1506
01:57:49,110 --> 01:57:53,190
to understand the planning process and what's been happening and what's what

1507
01:57:53,190 --> 01:57:56,670
happened in the past you know we talked about different subdivisions in a way

1508
01:57:56,670 --> 01:58:01,010
they were designed whether we like them or not and asked you know do we do we

1509
01:58:01,010 --> 01:58:05,710
have some controls over those things and of course we do so we early on started

1510
01:58:05,710 --> 01:58:09,570
talking this is a year ago so early on started talking about a subdivision

1511
01:58:09,570 --> 01:58:14,310
design plan and what can that look like and these are we're talking about not

1512
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:17,590
very high-level things but very detailed things in some cases we're

1513
01:58:17,590 --> 01:58:19,990
talking about the canopies, the trees we're talking about,

1514
01:58:20,410 --> 01:58:23,070
making sure that there was proper sidewalks and safety

1515
01:58:23,070 --> 01:58:26,670
and not over too much density necessarily

1516
01:58:26,670 --> 01:58:28,770
and things like that.

1517
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:30,510
Affordability is kind of coming later.

1518
01:58:30,710 --> 01:58:34,010
This is with affordable task force.

1519
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:38,890
Most of that information toward the end of that committee

1520
01:58:39,290 --> 01:58:41,410
or task force started coming to fruition.

1521
01:58:41,870 --> 01:58:43,670
Didn't necessarily think about it early on.

1522
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:44,870
We knew we wanted it but we didn't know

1523
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:46,050
what that meant or looked like.

1524
01:58:49,490 --> 01:58:54,310
So with the planning department with staff coming and going and things from concerns,

1525
01:58:54,610 --> 01:58:57,630
it takes time to get some of these things done and I understand that,

1526
01:58:57,730 --> 01:59:00,530
but they're definitely to me extremely important.

1527
01:59:01,110 --> 01:59:06,270
I think that developers should have a very, very clear idea, way in advance,

1528
01:59:06,550 --> 01:59:10,770
what the municipality expects, that they could almost come to staff and say,

1529
01:59:10,810 --> 01:59:13,890
this is what we expect and it's a done deal and you don't have to come to us.

1530
01:59:14,050 --> 01:59:15,090
That's not the process.

1531
01:59:15,090 --> 01:59:17,850
But that's what I would like to see as a business person.

1532
01:59:18,370 --> 01:59:21,290
You need to know the rules when you're out there and playing these games,

1533
01:59:21,390 --> 01:59:23,370
especially some of these when they're a little long term.

1534
01:59:23,770 --> 01:59:27,010
And I get it, it's a risky market just like going into any business is risky.

1535
01:59:27,130 --> 01:59:29,550
I don't know what my business will look like in three years' necessary either,

1536
01:59:29,630 --> 01:59:31,670
but I do have a general idea.

1537
01:59:32,010 --> 01:59:36,550
So I don't like the idea of anybody necessarily changing the rules last minute.

1538
01:59:37,110 --> 01:59:40,690
I expect that rule should be very clear from the get-go

1539
01:59:40,690 --> 01:59:44,730
when people come in to do business with anybody, and in particular with municipality.

1540
01:59:45,570 --> 01:59:49,390
And so I don't necessarily agree with what I've heard tonight.

1541
01:59:49,570 --> 01:59:53,570
I do agree on the points and things that we do need, and we do need the affordability

1542
01:59:53,570 --> 01:59:55,070
to understand the density.

1543
01:59:56,050 --> 01:59:57,710
I agree on all those things.

1544
01:59:57,850 --> 01:59:58,730
It's just on the timing.

1545
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,340
I've always felt that in certain cases with certain subdivisions, yeah, that planning has

1546
02:00:06,340 --> 02:00:11,960
been done and, you know, it'll pass. Maybe we can make some site plan division, certain

1547
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:16,680
changes and make sure that they follow the rules that we've laid out. But to make anything

1548
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:24,180
drastic changes in the last minute in the game, I don't agree with that. But I caution

1549
02:00:24,180 --> 02:00:31,520
my council colleagues and also encourage them that with our new CAO and discussions that we've had

1550
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:38,600
with him that we do need some work to understand where the planning is going in this municipality

1551
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:42,440
and what the planning department, what the tools they need, what direction they need from us.

1552
02:00:42,860 --> 02:00:47,640
And they need it clear right from the get-go. And like I said in the end, I think anybody

1553
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:53,740
reasonable should be if you this is the rules those rules are followed staff

1554
02:00:53,740 --> 02:00:56,760
should be able to go check check check check they followed everything they don't

1555
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:01,600
need to come and see me but that's not the way it works there and I get it and

1556
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:07,160
I'm not need naive about it but anyways so I don't agree that that any

1557
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:11,400
stringent stipulations should be put on any of this particular development

1558
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:15,400
right now this particular one I think yes there's probably sort of a little

1559
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:21,520
bit of room for movement to make both sides very, very happy or at least satisfied.

1560
02:01:22,540 --> 02:01:28,340
But I suggest that the planning department and council, we really need to sit down and

1561
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:34,500
know where we're going when it comes to planning and vision of this particular municipality

1562
02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:38,920
and what these subdivisions look like going forward in the future so that there is no

1563
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:40,840
question.

1564
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:46,600
areas, and you guys comment and say, well, they've let it go every time we've come to

1565
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:50,780
council in the past, and the time department said, yeah, you fit, you've checked off all

1566
02:01:50,780 --> 02:01:54,540
the boxes, all the other real conservation, everybody else is happy.

1567
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:59,300
So I want to just kind of express that.

1568
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,800
I don't like this gray area stuff.

1569
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:05,700
I like things a little bit closer to that, and I understand that there's gray area

1570
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:08,640
when there has come to developments and whatnot, but anyways.

1571
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:14,400
So I think we've got some probably some room to maneuver and you guys probably see that

1572
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:18,240
but again, I I would really

1573
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:24,000
Suggest that the planning department and council really get serious about

1574
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:31,600
What what does a subdivision design look like going forward and what changes do we make so that these six are solid not

1575
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:33,060
I'll you know, there's no confusion

1576
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:41,550
Thank you, Deputy Mayor, and I'm going to try and be brief and wrap it up.

1577
02:02:41,730 --> 02:02:46,230
Thank you, Robert, for coming down and really sparking a great conversation.

1578
02:02:46,470 --> 02:02:47,450
This has been very valuable.

1579
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:53,810
When I came in tonight, I wasn't expecting to really engage quite the same way about

1580
02:02:53,810 --> 02:02:54,470
issues.

1581
02:02:55,130 --> 02:02:56,250
Just a couple of comments.

1582
02:02:59,530 --> 02:03:03,730
Here we've got two great developers, community-minded developers.

1583
02:03:04,770 --> 02:03:11,350
The community made a very bold statement a year ago, elected a brand new council.

1584
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:18,350
You are constantly reading the market in terms of what's marketable, what the sale price is,

1585
02:03:18,410 --> 02:03:22,270
the cost of construction, you know, I wouldn't say your life's dependent on it,

1586
02:03:22,310 --> 02:03:24,230
but there's a lot of money writing on it.

1587
02:03:25,970 --> 02:03:29,430
And likewise, I think you were reading the tea leaves during the campaign,

1588
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:34,690
the kind of response that this council got and the fact that we replaced the previous council.

1589
02:03:34,890 --> 02:03:39,450
So you would have known something was afoot. It's been a year now.

1590
02:03:40,450 --> 02:03:46,470
We've struck an affordable housing task force, so you knew that train was coming down the track.

1591
02:03:47,310 --> 02:03:58,170
I agree. So the policies of this council or the policies we're trying to develop and the ideas that we're trying to move forward are part of the market.

1592
02:03:58,970 --> 02:04:05,690
specifically this market. And I agree with the deputy mayor that you need

1593
02:04:05,690 --> 02:04:10,690
surety, you need some specifics and I think the goals that we have and that

1594
02:04:10,690 --> 02:04:14,510
we've been talking about are aspirational but you know when you go home

1595
02:04:14,510 --> 02:04:18,450
tonight that you're gonna have to move make some movement in that direction so

1596
02:04:18,450 --> 02:04:26,490
when we were talking about 346 versus 405 or we were negotiating right we're

1597
02:04:26,490 --> 02:04:29,850
I don't feel that we have to stick to a number.

1598
02:04:29,970 --> 02:04:30,770
It's aspirational.

1599
02:04:31,330 --> 02:04:33,310
So we're on the right road together.

1600
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:37,610
We just don't know how we're gonna get to phase five,

1601
02:04:37,950 --> 02:04:39,270
how phase five is gonna finish.

1602
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:42,070
And I think we'll find a happy place

1603
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:43,610
when it comes back to council.

1604
02:04:43,970 --> 02:04:44,210
Thanks.

1605
02:04:46,660 --> 02:04:47,380
Castor Sullivan.

1606
02:04:48,460 --> 02:04:49,080
Thank you.

1607
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,020
I just have a couple of questions.

1608
02:04:52,660 --> 02:04:55,740
When Equinell was first proposed

1609
02:04:55,740 --> 02:05:03,400
in the very initial stages, was 1108 houses the goal?

1610
02:05:04,540 --> 02:05:10,140
And how many houses or how many residential units are currently in phases 1 to 4?

1611
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:12,980
So that's the second question.

1612
02:05:13,700 --> 02:05:16,420
Phase 5 has 141 proposed.

1613
02:05:17,300 --> 02:05:23,240
Is phase 6 larger or smaller than phase 5?

1614
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:33,200
and does it all add up to 1,108 because Equinel has already changed their marketing and changed

1615
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:34,680
the density along the way.

1616
02:05:34,940 --> 02:05:38,720
So are we really restricting the number of houses?

1617
02:05:39,300 --> 02:05:44,360
Is there a plan for 1,108 houses or residences?

1618
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:49,940
Because now we have heard that there's a potential one or two apartment buildings.

1619
02:05:49,940 --> 02:05:59,400
So, my question is, by increasing the density, are we really hampering the total number that

1620
02:05:59,940 --> 02:06:04,560
Aquinel had hoped to see when it was all said and done?

1621
02:06:06,500 --> 02:06:11,920
So how many houses or how many residences are already there between phases one and four?

1622
02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:19,020
Because initially, I came and looked at houses in Aquinel 10 years ago when I first contemplated

1623
02:06:20,440 --> 02:06:26,540
building a kind of retirement home here and I didn't want to be three kilometers

1624
02:06:26,540 --> 02:06:32,300
out of town so I chose to be in the town and where I can walk and ride my bike

1625
02:06:32,300 --> 02:06:42,120
because that's how I get around and so I looked there and I chose to be in the

1626
02:06:42,120 --> 02:06:53,480
town. Initially, I thought it was all geared to be single homes or semi bungalows. It has

1627
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:59,060
changed along the way quite a bit, so I'm suggesting that the density has already increased

1628
02:06:59,060 --> 02:07:05,020
from what the original plan was. Those are my questions. How many are already there?

1629
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:15,240
was an original plan to be 1108 and what's the difference between phase 5 and phase 6

1630
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:18,040
in the size and the number of proposed residences?

1631
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:25,200
Lots of questions there, lots of answers, lots of history.

1632
02:07:27,740 --> 02:07:32,180
1108 was, there was a plan where

1633
02:07:32,180 --> 02:07:40,740
we had 1108 units on a plan with a concept plan when it was originally designed. There

1634
02:07:40,740 --> 02:07:49,040
have been a vast number of changes to that plan since then, obviously. A significant

1635
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:57,540
change is that at the time we had an additional 10 hectares that is now designated as wetland

1636
02:07:57,540 --> 02:07:59,620
land to get to that 111.08.

1637
02:08:05,700 --> 02:08:14,520
We currently have concepts that get us with all of the lands developed close to 111.08.

1638
02:08:16,340 --> 02:08:22,220
The biggest variance in the number on our unit count comes down to some of our medium density

1639
02:08:22,220 --> 02:08:30,200
blocks that we need partners with to develop at a higher density rate and the market.

1640
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:35,740
As Aaron said, the areas where we did the three-story townhouses, the first blocks sold

1641
02:08:36,380 --> 02:08:38,420
very quickly overnight essentially.

1642
02:08:39,140 --> 02:08:41,680
The third block took months and months and months and months and months.

1643
02:08:43,460 --> 02:08:47,500
So like I said, we do have a plan or we have a variety of plans.

1644
02:08:47,500 --> 02:08:56,300
I have 500 concept plans probably for Aquanel, and we track the numbers that gets us close

1645
02:08:56,300 --> 02:09:01,560
to that 1108 with the general layout that we have right now.

1646
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:14,180
With the imminent registration of Phase 4 BC, we have approximately 650 units registered.

1647
02:09:14,180 --> 02:09:20,200
Again, that includes a couple of medium density blocks and a couple of small sections that

1648
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:32,540
are not developed and are subject to future plans, plus our 141 units on phase five with

1649
02:09:32,540 --> 02:09:40,380
another 200-ish, I believe, if that math works out, plan for phase six.

1650
02:09:40,380 --> 02:09:59,480
So the intent of the discussion of the 1108 units cap wasn't necessarily to indicate that we have constraints on existing density and existing plans.

1651
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:16,120
It was more intended to illustrate that the density for equinell overall was intended to be separate from the general OP density requirements.

1652
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:24,660
So the 1108 over the gross area of 140 hectares, Steve correct me if I'm wrong,

1653
02:10:24,660 --> 02:10:33,420
or the gross sector less the golf course gets us somewhere between 7 units per

1654
02:10:33,420 --> 02:10:37,780
hectare and 10 or 11. I don't have my notes on the numbers and Steve can correct

1655
02:10:37,780 --> 02:10:44,780
me if I'm wrong on that one. The point being or that point being that the

1656
02:10:44,780 --> 02:10:48,460
density for equinole was always intended to be lower than the density

1657
02:10:48,460 --> 02:10:51,700
within closer to the town core.

1658
02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:54,480
Does that answer your question?

1659
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:57,580
You have a lot of questions in there, and I think I answered them all.

1660
02:10:57,680 --> 02:10:58,200
Did I miss anything?

1661
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,320
I think you did, thank you.

1662
02:11:01,900 --> 02:11:08,740
So I calculated about 991 out of the total max of 1108.

1663
02:11:09,500 --> 02:11:15,500
So had you not already increased the density, you would have been far below the 1108.

1664
02:11:15,500 --> 02:11:21,540
And our objective is to meet it, because that would be a good perspective is to be able to sell 1,100 homes.

1665
02:11:22,100 --> 02:11:22,800
Sure, for sure.

1666
02:11:23,540 --> 02:11:30,060
And I mean, that's all income for us in terms of tax revenue.

1667
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:30,300
That's right.

1668
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:31,660
So I'm not opposed to...

1669
02:11:31,660 --> 02:11:31,920
Yeah.

1670
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:33,540
No, don't get me wrong.

1671
02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:45,480
And that opportunity, I've actually tasked Mal to just have a peek at where we stand when...

1672
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:50,500
as a concept, we showed footprints that are bungalow towns that we currently are selling

1673
02:11:50,500 --> 02:11:56,400
in Equinol, but our marketing team is excited to explore in the next couple of years the

1674
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:57,600
idea of a two-story town.

1675
02:11:58,160 --> 02:12:03,240
Where does that put us in the numbers of phase five if we were to switch out the footprint?

1676
02:12:07,940 --> 02:12:12,780
That's great is that the 1,100 we right now are not quite meeting it even in concepts

1677
02:12:12,780 --> 02:12:17,620
because that means we can respond to the market and that we can offer different

1678
02:12:17,620 --> 02:12:24,320
types of units that are smaller if there's you know condos or rentals that

1679
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:28,500
there's an opportunity to to max out that size. We're not so constrained that we

1680
02:12:28,500 --> 02:12:34,660
can't explore those options and they are available to us. So I really

1681
02:12:34,660 --> 02:12:41,040
appreciate that you know you're I think willing to to work with the

1682
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:46,700
the need for different houses and different types of housing in a mix because obviously

1683
02:12:46,700 --> 02:12:50,520
you've been doing that to meet market demand along the number of years that it's been

1684
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:58,940
there because from original all single homes to what it is now, I don't think mixing

1685
02:12:58,940 --> 02:13:05,260
a little bit more affordability and higher density is a huge imposition and I really

1686
02:13:05,260 --> 02:13:07,660
don't think that home values are going to drop.

1687
02:13:07,660 --> 02:13:13,240
No, I don't agree either, but you did, you know, make a point even your own personal experiences.

1688
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:18,460
It also does come down to services and the kind of community that we're building around

1689
02:13:18,460 --> 02:13:24,620
a golf course that is kilometers out from the core, you know, there isn't a safe way

1690
02:13:24,620 --> 02:13:29,440
to bike there necessarily unless you go into the back trail, which we've purposely

1691
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:31,620
connected in through our own private lands.

1692
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:35,600
But I know there's a muck that's supposed to come along County Road 44 that one

1693
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:36,140
day will come.

1694
02:13:36,140 --> 02:13:42,120
There's some of those things that will help support that density when it is there, the transit, them up.

1695
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:49,940
That's exactly the relationship. I think that for which both sides have some responsibility, right?

1696
02:13:50,020 --> 02:13:54,800
So as we ask more of you, I think the community needs to ask more of us, right?

1697
02:13:55,380 --> 02:14:02,020
So as we evolve as a community, but again, I guess I just don't want to lose the point that I don't think we should be fixated on 1100.

1698
02:14:02,020 --> 02:14:03,800
These are living documents.

1699
02:14:04,140 --> 02:14:07,940
They're meant to evolve and change and reflect the needs

1700
02:14:07,940 --> 02:14:09,500
of communities over time.

1701
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:14,160
So I feel like there's some flexibility there on both sides.

1702
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:17,100
There is, but keeping in mind the engineering.

1703
02:14:17,540 --> 02:14:17,820
Indeed.

1704
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:19,340
Yes, except that.

1705
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:20,700
I put a big caveat on that.

1706
02:14:20,700 --> 02:14:21,040
For sure.

1707
02:14:21,320 --> 02:14:21,560
For sure.

1708
02:14:21,820 --> 02:14:21,880
Yeah.

1709
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,320
That's a long road of a long pipe.

1710
02:14:25,380 --> 02:14:26,260
Totally understood.

1711
02:14:26,540 --> 02:14:26,980
Totally understood.

1712
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:29,940
And of course those other considerations matter a lot.

1713
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:45,660
That being said, I think I just want to underscore that I think we can explore a lot of different facets, right, to this conversation in terms of what the municipality and the community is seeking to achieve and what's doable and viable for you.

1714
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:49,500
And I think there's lots of ground to be gained on both sides there.

1715
02:14:49,500 --> 02:14:54,840
So, you know, I appreciate, of course, the deputy mayor and what he brings to the table.

1716
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:59,960
I don't think we're seeking to be particularly rigid here, but we're seeking...

1717
02:15:01,400 --> 02:15:07,120
And that's as much about us as it is about you. And I think expectations are everything.

1718
02:15:07,620 --> 02:15:13,920
And this council is changing expectations, right, in terms of how we do planning and how we envision the future for our community.

1719
02:15:14,420 --> 02:15:17,720
And that has cascading effects for everybody. And that's our job, right?

1720
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:21,800
That's our job as elected officials, carrying out a mandate that we were given.

1721
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:27,320
And we, as you know, take that very seriously because we've been having this conversation for two and a half hours.

1722
02:15:27,320 --> 02:15:43,900
So with that in mind, I think there's lots of goodwill here, lots of appetite to have some conversations that maybe you didn't anticipate having, but really, really matter to us and matter to, I think, some people who live in Equinell and lots of people who don't but could,

1723
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:50,360
whether they come from within our own community or region or from the far reaches of either coast.

1724
02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:52,420
So we look forward to that.

1725
02:15:52,620 --> 02:15:56,320
We really have a strong appetite to see what we can do together.

1726
02:15:56,440 --> 02:15:58,460
And I think we can do something that's kind of special, right?

1727
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:02,060
And, you know, I think our commitment to you is that we'll do our part.

1728
02:16:02,340 --> 02:16:06,680
And I think we've been doing our best to look at some of the other issues of connectivity

1729
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:11,660
that up to this point have really limited the kind of market you might see at Equinel, right?

1730
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:16,920
And, you know, the good news is people love your neighborhood and love your community.

1731
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:21,920
and it's really putting a scramble on the map and we take real pride in that and we

1732
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:25,960
know you do too but I think we can we can both do more and do it a little bit

1733
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:30,940
differently and and that'll just keep keep things moving. So thank you

1734
02:16:30,940 --> 02:16:34,700
for your time. I'll move over to the Deputy Mayor for his second

1735
02:16:34,700 --> 02:16:39,920
intervention of the evening and see what he has to say at this stage. Go ahead

1736
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:46,640
Mr. McMahon. Mel, you spoke earlier about the changes to the entrance. So

1737
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:51,400
So we're talking density here, and we have arguments on both sides of this density issue.

1738
02:16:51,960 --> 02:16:55,600
One for to make things affordable by putting more homes in there.

1739
02:16:56,040 --> 02:17:00,080
And of course, I suspect some of the residents don't necessarily want that many more homes

1740
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:00,480
in there.

1741
02:17:00,840 --> 02:17:05,160
And that's where those arguments came up when we're talking about the entrance and

1742
02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:06,700
the concerns for safety.

1743
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:11,900
Being able to get out on that highway turn left, I believe, is the concern or right

1744
02:17:11,900 --> 02:17:12,640
or whatever it was.

1745
02:17:12,740 --> 02:17:15,880
But anyways, it's difficult, and you guys have plans for change.

1746
02:17:15,880 --> 02:17:17,380
So there's investment going in there.

1747
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:27,940
I'd like Mr. Nanton to speak just briefly on his initial conversation with us.

1748
02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:34,300
He mentioned some letters that came to us from residents' concerns.

1749
02:17:34,500 --> 02:17:39,200
And of course, one point in those letters was about the entrance and the safety there,

1750
02:17:39,300 --> 02:17:41,580
the traffic concerns, of course.

1751
02:17:43,400 --> 02:17:47,720
What else was it? The trees of course. But then density came up again as well.

1752
02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:57,600
So if David, if you could just speak briefly on that, that density and traffic was a concern for some residents from those, from those letters I understand.

1753
02:17:59,140 --> 02:17:59,860
Thank you.

1754
02:17:59,860 --> 02:18:12,900
Yes, so two letters both raised the concerns over the entranceway and the onto Royal Landing Gate and Equinol Drive,

1755
02:18:14,500 --> 02:18:21,840
specifically stating concerns of where the health center is located now and some of that internal and commercial traffic,

1756
02:18:22,140 --> 02:18:28,260
the health center servicing obviously residents that do not just specifically live in the Equinol Subdivision,

1757
02:18:28,260 --> 02:18:31,640
stating that the left turn was problematic.

1758
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:38,000
Internal circulation for the residents, for pedestrians,

1759
02:18:38,300 --> 02:18:40,620
was already a bit of a congestion area,

1760
02:18:40,980 --> 02:18:43,160
and something they'd identified as something

1761
02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:44,640
that they live with, was something

1762
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:46,120
that they stressed in the letters.

1763
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:48,900
And then with respect to the density,

1764
02:18:50,700 --> 02:18:55,500
they were hoping that an alternative location

1765
02:18:55,500 --> 02:18:59,380
or an alternative route for the 141 additional units could be found.

1766
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:04,600
It was clear that they believed that was going to further exasperate

1767
02:19:05,100 --> 02:19:07,080
the traffic issues within that development right now.

1768
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:09,600
So nobody was looking for more density in there?

1769
02:19:10,620 --> 02:19:12,020
I'm being kidding. I'm just kidding.

1770
02:19:12,720 --> 02:19:15,560
Melanie, you talked about the design on...

1771
02:19:15,560 --> 02:19:16,880
I think people are looking for safety.

1772
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:19,140
So density and safety are...

1773
02:19:19,140 --> 02:19:21,240
Absolutely, that's what I'm going to.

1774
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:22,820
That's what I'm going to.

1775
02:19:22,820 --> 02:19:29,560
So we talked about the engineering plans that you have, and I believe your engineers

1776
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:36,820
and or you, or whoever it was involved in this study, you brought this to us some time

1777
02:19:36,820 --> 02:19:41,200
ago and said this is the way we're going to, and you laid out the actual design.

1778
02:19:41,580 --> 02:19:46,000
It didn't include any lights stopping traffic per se yet.

1779
02:19:46,700 --> 02:19:49,760
The current design that you're talking about doesn't do that if we're talking

1780
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:51,160
They're turning lanes, we're talking things.

1781
02:19:51,500 --> 02:19:55,940
So I see in the future we're talking 1,100 homes in here, that's a lot of traffic trying

1782
02:19:55,940 --> 02:19:58,700
to come in and go out of that potentially down the road.

1783
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:03,140
We probably are going to be looking at either another roundabout, everybody wants those,

1784
02:20:03,500 --> 02:20:06,900
or end or traffic lights in that specific area.

1785
02:20:07,060 --> 02:20:10,900
So fill us a little bit in on that, because you did before, I remember that, I just

1786
02:20:10,900 --> 02:20:11,620
don't know all the details.

1787
02:20:11,860 --> 02:20:12,120
Thank you.

1788
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:26,520
Yeah, so our traffic study that we did to accompany the phase five application, our traffic studies always go out to the full build out of what's anticipated for the intersections.

1789
02:20:27,480 --> 02:20:37,300
So our traffic studies and which helped us with the design for the County Road 44 works.

1790
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:38,700
I'm just going to back up.

1791
02:20:38,700 --> 02:20:47,480
The County Road 44 Intersection Improvement Plan is, as follows, a southbound right-hand

1792
02:20:47,480 --> 02:20:53,920
turn lane with a southbound through lane at both Equinell and Royal Landing Gate, and

1793
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:58,980
a northbound dedicated left turn lane at both Equinell and Royal Landing Gate.

1794
02:20:59,500 --> 02:21:05,820
Stop-controlled only eastbound from Equinell and from Royal Landing Gate.

1795
02:21:05,820 --> 02:21:09,500
with medians and street lighting.

1796
02:21:10,260 --> 02:21:19,820
There are no traffic warrants required for traffic lighting.

1797
02:21:20,380 --> 02:21:24,900
To that point, are the traffic warrants, the data that you provided

1798
02:21:24,900 --> 02:21:28,320
that allowed the traffic people to do their number crunching,

1799
02:21:28,460 --> 02:21:32,260
was it based upon current residency in the neighborhood

1800
02:21:32,260 --> 02:21:33,540
or the full build out?

1801
02:21:33,540 --> 02:21:41,580
So we start all of our traffic design and traffic counts based on current counts.

1802
02:21:42,100 --> 02:21:46,760
So we hired someone, I believe, as 2018 within a year of that.

1803
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:49,200
We'd done previous ones.

1804
02:21:50,300 --> 02:21:52,360
Every couple of years we have traffic counts.

1805
02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:55,700
Again, don't quote me on those exact dates, but we have a number of them,

1806
02:21:57,300 --> 02:22:01,620
which tells us what the current traffic load is at those intersections,

1807
02:22:01,620 --> 02:22:03,160
AMNPM peak.

1808
02:22:03,820 --> 02:22:12,300
We correlate that to the existing number of occupied units in Equinel and assign a traffic

1809
02:22:12,300 --> 02:22:15,380
rate to each home at AMNPM.

1810
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:26,940
We compare that to established guidelines for average traffic generated for each housing

1811
02:22:26,940 --> 02:22:30,020
type, single family, townhouse, semi-detached,

1812
02:22:32,780 --> 02:22:34,640
and both MTO, Ministry of Transportation and

1813
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:38,620
Traffic Association of Canada have guidelines on those.

1814
02:22:39,620 --> 02:22:46,620
The traffic at Equinnel, traffic volume at Equinnel per unit is less than half of what

1815
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:53,420
is anticipated in those general design guidelines, which is traffic volume, yes.

1816
02:22:53,420 --> 02:22:55,720
now or the traffic volumes at full build-out?

1817
02:22:56,300 --> 02:22:57,300
So the traffic volumes now.

1818
02:22:57,740 --> 02:22:59,200
So what we did, I'm getting there.

1819
02:22:59,880 --> 02:23:01,560
I think I'm getting to your question

1820
02:23:01,560 --> 02:23:02,820
or getting to answer your question.

1821
02:23:03,100 --> 02:23:04,300
I think it's both our questions, right?

1822
02:23:04,480 --> 02:23:05,380
We're asking the same question.

1823
02:23:05,560 --> 02:23:08,180
So when we do our traffic study,

1824
02:23:08,300 --> 02:23:11,020
we take existing counts based on existing units

1825
02:23:11,580 --> 02:23:15,080
and add projected counts based on projected units.

1826
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:19,360
And we've done it all the way out to our 1108 units

1827
02:23:20,820 --> 02:23:32,920
plus background growth in Kentville overall to establish projected full build-out traffic volumes at each of those intersections at both A.M. and P.M. peak.

1828
02:23:33,940 --> 02:23:43,000
So based on those and based on this updated configuration, our calculations show that we'll have a level of service C,

1829
02:23:43,000 --> 02:23:49,020
which essentially means a, I believe it's a 22nd, and again, don't quote me on the exact second,

1830
02:23:49,560 --> 02:23:58,700
15 to 22nd timing for a card to go eastbound left from either Equinell or

1831
02:23:59,820 --> 02:24:03,060
Royal Landing Gate based on full buildout.

1832
02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:10,060
Okay. I mean, the only, and we've had this conversation before is,

1833
02:24:11,380 --> 02:24:14,040
I've always wondered if you consider the demographic, right?

1834
02:24:14,140 --> 02:24:16,280
The demographic of Royal Indiegates is a bit older.

1835
02:24:16,780 --> 02:24:17,560
I wear glasses now.

1836
02:24:17,660 --> 02:24:20,660
I didn't five years ago take off the glasses and try to turn left,

1837
02:24:20,700 --> 02:24:23,480
and I'm not sure I'm making the safest move either.

1838
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:26,480
So is there any consideration for your own clientele?

1839
02:24:26,580 --> 02:24:28,800
I know that there are transportation advisory guidelines,

1840
02:24:28,980 --> 02:24:33,360
and we get all that, but is there any consideration for, you know,

1841
02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:36,600
who's actually driving the vehicles in that neighborhood?

1842
02:24:36,600 --> 02:24:50,200
And in addition, what the rest of Kenville and North Granville looks like, given what will be increasing volumes, regardless of what you do, but just because of the other growth that's happening in other parts of the community.

1843
02:24:50,460 --> 02:24:56,420
So I think we're asking more technical questions, and I'm not sure we can resolve them all here, but it's a fair point.

1844
02:24:56,640 --> 02:25:02,020
And I think we feel people's stress around being able to safely exit in and out of Equinol.

1845
02:25:02,020 --> 02:25:07,700
So we don't consider demographics. We consider that people are average drivers.

1846
02:25:08,460 --> 02:25:12,540
You know, you have to design roads for drivers who are licensed to drive.

1847
02:25:13,100 --> 02:25:16,760
And if they're licensed to drive with glasses, they wear their glasses while they're licensed to drive.

1848
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:24,860
However, to your second point, the background growth in Kentville is accounted for in the traffic volumes at the intersections,

1849
02:25:25,240 --> 02:25:30,140
in addition to the projected numbers for Equinel itself.

1850
02:25:30,900 --> 02:25:37,140
And if we were in another area, any other anticipated development at that time, that's not this case.

1851
02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:44,740
But, you know, if, well, earlier on, we did increases for the school and for Tempo.

1852
02:25:45,240 --> 02:25:49,220
But since they are nearing their build-out, we do them as background calcs at this point.

1853
02:25:51,730 --> 02:25:53,030
Deputy Mayor, is there anything else there?

1854
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:55,620
Okay.

1855
02:25:56,540 --> 02:25:56,960
Thank you.

1856
02:25:57,100 --> 02:25:57,520
Go ahead.

1857
02:25:58,900 --> 02:25:59,580
Thank you.

1858
02:25:59,580 --> 02:26:09,320
You mentioned several times based on the number of units in there, and you did a couple of times mention counts,

1859
02:26:09,660 --> 02:26:17,880
but so my question is, has this calculation been based on the number of units that are built in there,

1860
02:26:18,020 --> 02:26:23,980
or have you taken into account the number of people who come in and out going to or from the golf course

1861
02:26:23,980 --> 02:26:27,140
or the facility that's there, which

1862
02:26:27,140 --> 02:26:29,460
is used by other people from outside,

1863
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:35,280
as well as to and from the park where the splash pad is

1864
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:39,120
and to and from the medical center

1865
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:40,640
and the pharmacy that's down there.

1866
02:26:42,340 --> 02:26:44,980
Each of the uses have their own counts

1867
02:26:44,980 --> 02:26:47,140
that we use if we don't have actual accounts.

1868
02:26:47,460 --> 02:26:48,580
They each have projected counts.

1869
02:26:48,960 --> 02:26:50,980
But when you do a traffic count at an intersection,

1870
02:26:51,400 --> 02:26:52,800
it counts for all traffic that goes

1871
02:26:54,060 --> 02:26:55,760
whether or not they live there, they don't live there,

1872
02:26:55,820 --> 02:26:56,920
whether they're going to the golf course,

1873
02:26:57,300 --> 02:26:59,560
whether they're going to the medical facility.

1874
02:26:59,940 --> 02:27:01,160
We do it on an average day.

1875
02:27:01,500 --> 02:27:02,880
There's a number of different requirements

1876
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:04,200
when we do our traffic counts.

1877
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:06,580
And then we compare them to previous counts

1878
02:27:06,580 --> 02:27:11,320
with knowledge of what the background growth rate is.

1879
02:27:11,780 --> 02:27:12,380
Does it make sense?

1880
02:27:12,520 --> 02:27:13,240
Has there been a spike?

1881
02:27:13,880 --> 02:27:14,640
What's going on?

1882
02:27:15,460 --> 02:27:17,520
We try not to do them on Mondays and Fridays.

1883
02:27:17,780 --> 02:27:19,280
We don't do them on...

1884
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:20,620
We try not to do them in the summer.

1885
02:27:20,620 --> 02:27:22,920
We try not to do them on snow days.

1886
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:26,800
We try not to do them on days that are out of the ordinary.

1887
02:27:27,080 --> 02:27:29,060
You try to find an ordinary day.

1888
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:32,700
Sorry, why would you not do them in the summer?

1889
02:27:32,820 --> 02:27:34,860
That's when the golf course and the splash pads open.

1890
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:37,880
That's when the people would be going in and out of there.

1891
02:27:37,980 --> 02:27:42,620
The school traffic has much more impact on traffic than the...

1892
02:27:42,620 --> 02:27:47,700
Even in that neighborhood, given the demographics of the people who live in there?

1893
02:27:48,740 --> 02:27:54,900
Yeah, on the county road they do, and golf course, you know, they're staggered.

1894
02:27:56,120 --> 02:27:58,720
There's golf course, there's golfers that start every 10 minutes.

1895
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:02,400
They're not all coming in unlike everyone starts school at 8 o'clock.

1896
02:28:03,100 --> 02:28:04,500
Not all the golfers start at 8 o'clock.

1897
02:28:07,810 --> 02:28:12,390
I would presume you would be using a consultant, right, for the service.

1898
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:18,510
Is this even all does its own traffic counts or would you be working in partnership with, or you are that person?

1899
02:28:19,050 --> 02:28:20,110
Nova Tech is that person.

1900
02:28:20,110 --> 02:28:21,030
Nova Tech is that person.

1901
02:28:21,130 --> 02:28:24,690
So they're advising you on the correct technical considerations here.

1902
02:28:24,810 --> 02:28:25,110
Is that correct?

1903
02:28:25,290 --> 02:28:27,410
We have professional engineers who are traffic engineers.

1904
02:28:29,110 --> 02:28:32,410
I think the point is that we care a great deal about road safety.

1905
02:28:33,070 --> 02:28:36,370
You should be advised that the traffic calming and speed reduction policies

1906
02:28:36,370 --> 02:28:38,390
and our community are likely to change.

1907
02:28:38,950 --> 02:28:43,210
And I think we just want to give our best consideration to ensuring that

1908
02:28:43,210 --> 02:28:44,030
that's a safe intersection.

1909
02:28:44,250 --> 02:28:46,090
I think we're thrilled to see what's coming down the pipe.

1910
02:28:46,770 --> 02:28:56,570
But I think some of us are having a hard time not believing that a traffic light there would make a difference, but we're not the technical experts on that file.

1911
02:28:56,970 --> 02:28:59,490
A lot of lights are coming. We're excited about it.

1912
02:28:59,850 --> 02:29:00,650
A lot of lights are coming.

1913
02:29:00,910 --> 02:29:03,190
They're talking traffic lights versus street lights.

1914
02:29:03,570 --> 02:29:05,170
Oh, street lights. But street lights will help.

1915
02:29:05,310 --> 02:29:05,970
Street lights will help.

1916
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:07,630
Yeah, street lighting at that intersection will help.

1917
02:29:08,610 --> 02:29:17,630
I'm curious to mel into yourselves, because it's the county's road, I don't know if they would even approve.

1918
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:22,850
Indeed, and there are engineering considerations that may make that prohibitive or not.

1919
02:29:23,570 --> 02:29:28,390
I think it's a bigger conversation, but I'm glad we've asked the questions, because it's given us more time with you.

1920
02:29:28,730 --> 02:29:29,710
We're so grateful for that.

1921
02:29:30,830 --> 02:29:35,770
We know county, but we try to play nice with them, but we want our way, right?

1922
02:29:37,450 --> 02:29:39,850
And we're a big fish on that sea, so come on.

1923
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:41,030
Give us something to do.

1924
02:29:43,310 --> 02:29:44,890
Council colleagues, here we are.

1925
02:29:45,650 --> 02:29:47,270
Anything else coming up?

1926
02:29:47,810 --> 02:29:50,730
Deputy Mayor, you introduced another element there, which was excellent.

1927
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:52,030
I'm so glad you asked those questions.

1928
02:29:52,630 --> 02:29:53,830
Anything else from the public?

1929
02:29:54,010 --> 02:29:59,970
I think we're still in this public meeting where any member of the public is watching.

1930
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,660
Welcome to speak at this juncture. Are there any final comments from individuals who have

1931
02:30:04,660 --> 02:30:06,580
been watching? Yes.

1932
02:30:08,820 --> 02:30:14,360
I'll repeat it for you. So you ask, I must repeat it for the record.

1933
02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:15,940
So direct it to me.

1934
02:30:24,030 --> 02:30:27,290
So the question is, I'm going to ask you for the record. The traffic

1935
02:30:27,290 --> 02:30:31,850
counts are capturing who's coming in and out of Equinell. That's your question. Both

1936
02:30:31,850 --> 02:30:38,330
where lay the gate and equinell drive on highway 44. The traffic

1937
02:30:38,330 --> 02:30:42,130
counselor, yeah, for all the all the traffic movement through those

1938
02:30:42,130 --> 02:30:46,890
intersections, through those major so both north south who are not turning it

1939
02:30:46,890 --> 02:30:50,410
turning it either way intersections all directions of all their all directions

1940
02:30:50,410 --> 02:30:57,850
and and all uses of vendor intersection pedestrian cyclists cars trucks

1941
02:30:57,850 --> 02:31:03,390
buses. Okay. And are you thinking about traffic counts within the neighborhood

1942
02:31:03,390 --> 02:31:04,990
itself? Is that why you asked that question?

1943
02:31:12,770 --> 02:31:15,410
Yes. There is a lot.

1944
02:31:18,020 --> 02:31:20,500
Yeah. So

1945
02:31:20,500 --> 02:31:23,900
certainly the dialogue we've had with them suggests that you're looking at

1946
02:31:23,900 --> 02:31:27,960
full movement regardless of whether or not they turn left or right into

1947
02:31:27,960 --> 02:31:33,160
Equinol, right? Okay. So and is that information available? Do you make that

1948
02:31:33,160 --> 02:31:35,840
information available in terms of those traffic counts? Is that something

1949
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:38,480
residents of Equinall or the municipality could see?

1950
02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:40,480
Yes.

1951
02:31:40,660 --> 02:31:41,060
Mr. Nanton.

1952
02:31:41,500 --> 02:31:41,820
Okay.

1953
02:31:41,960 --> 02:31:47,720
So having spent a lot of time in Equinall, traffic was a big issue.

1954
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:48,920
It comes up a lot.

1955
02:31:49,260 --> 02:31:53,800
It's not something that – I think it's not something that residents in that neighborhood

1956
02:31:53,800 --> 02:31:54,580
take lightly.

1957
02:31:54,860 --> 02:31:57,920
So if there's more information to share, it might be helpful at this stage.

1958
02:31:59,260 --> 02:32:03,360
I just sort of jump in as a planner and just someone who's been at a number of

1959
02:32:03,360 --> 02:32:03,760
public meetings.

1960
02:32:04,360 --> 02:32:07,800
though those reports are written and all that information is collected,

1961
02:32:08,360 --> 02:32:11,400
the experience is very different than what the report says, unfortunately.

1962
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:18,440
And I think within the planning world and the traffic road safety world,

1963
02:32:18,960 --> 02:32:24,200
there's an increasing emphasis on the human experience versus the technical number counts.

1964
02:32:24,460 --> 02:32:30,080
So there's a global phenomenon of looking at roads not just from the perspective you should have your glasses on,

1965
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:37,280
And we're going to assume a certain competency or astuteness when it comes to your driving capacity.

1966
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:40,060
We are going to accommodate for human error.

1967
02:32:40,260 --> 02:32:50,140
So there's a whole shift, right, in the policy landscape when I think it comes to traffic planning around looking at different ways to accommodate people's actual experience.

1968
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:55,400
So I think that may reflect some of the choice points that come down the road.

1969
02:32:56,140 --> 02:32:56,900
No pun intended.

1970
02:32:57,420 --> 02:33:00,720
Okay. Council colleagues, how are we doing now?

1971
02:33:00,840 --> 02:33:02,180
We've heard from that member of the public.

1972
02:33:02,340 --> 02:33:03,000
Are we good here?

1973
02:33:03,780 --> 02:33:08,500
I think we have a draft motion that I believe has come from Mr. Nanton.

1974
02:33:08,760 --> 02:33:09,380
Is that correct?

1975
02:33:10,740 --> 02:33:12,200
Oh, I'm closing my public meeting.

1976
02:33:12,440 --> 02:33:13,440
Okay. I'll close the meeting.

1977
02:33:14,340 --> 02:33:18,160
I am now then closing the public meeting at 9.05.

1978
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:25,960
And Council will now look to the resolution for the committee's consideration.

1979
02:33:26,460 --> 02:33:30,600
I do just have to bring that resolution back up unless it's in printed form.

1980
02:33:31,140 --> 02:33:33,180
Mr. Palmanville has kindly printed it.

1981
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:34,120
Thank you.

1982
02:33:36,120 --> 02:33:40,560
So this, so council colleagues, given the conversation,

1983
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:46,980
I do want us to carefully consider whether or not this language can be amended slightly or not.

1984
02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:53,560
Committee of the Whole, so this is the draft resolution that's come to us from staff.

1985
02:33:54,300 --> 02:33:59,940
Committee, the whole recommends that Council approve zoning bylaw amendments NPA 1219 for the lands

1986
02:33:59,940 --> 02:34:08,000
described as part of lot 26 and part of road allowance between lots 25 and 26, concession 1,

1987
02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:13,460
geographic township of Oxford and Rideau, now the municipality of North Cranville to amend the

1988
02:34:13,460 --> 02:34:20,440
zoning of the property from rural to residential third density special exception 19 to accommodate

1989
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:22,980
the proposed residential subdivision phase.

1990
02:34:23,940 --> 02:34:35,080
And further that committee, the whole direct staff to prepare a report setting out proposed conditions of draft approval for the subdivision phase to be brought back to a subsequent meeting for consideration by committee of the whole.

1991
02:34:36,140 --> 02:34:51,520
I'd like to propose that under that second bullet we say, and further that community of the whole direct staff to prepare reports setting out proposed conditions of draft approval and considerations for housing affordability.

1992
02:34:52,140 --> 02:34:57,100
For this subdivision phase to be brought back to a subsequent meeting for consideration by community of the whole.

1993
02:34:57,360 --> 02:35:03,120
That clearly stipulates and reflects I think the substance of the conversation we've had without any specificity.

1994
02:35:06,620 --> 02:35:12,400
Sure, that's great to be specific and more detailed, but I'd add parking as well, if possible.

1995
02:35:13,000 --> 02:35:13,420
Nice.

1996
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:18,120
Be specific, parking around the park.

1997
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:20,080
So this has not been moved.

1998
02:35:20,260 --> 02:35:22,420
This was just draft language that was provided to us.

1999
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:25,620
So we were in the creative license phase of the meeting.

2000
02:35:25,620 --> 02:35:29,960
And further that, committee of the whole direct staff to prepare a report setting out,

2001
02:35:30,460 --> 02:35:36,100
further proposed draft, sorry, prepare a report setting out,

2002
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:42,420
proposed conditions of draft approval including considerations for

2003
02:35:45,230 --> 02:35:45,730
housing,

2004
02:35:46,190 --> 02:35:47,370
for affordable housing,

2005
02:35:50,330 --> 02:35:56,190
and parking as it pertains to the park.

2006
02:36:00,270 --> 02:36:05,870
for this subdivision phase to be brought back to a subsequent meeting for consideration by committee of the whole.

2007
02:36:07,130 --> 02:36:07,870
Mr. Nett.

2008
02:36:08,730 --> 02:36:17,710
As a recommendation, it might be more encompassing to use the language of and review the merits of the application

2009
02:36:17,710 --> 02:36:23,070
based on comments received at the public meeting, in which case I can use the minutes taken tonight

2010
02:36:23,070 --> 02:36:28,350
and all of the comments received and package them into a new report for consideration to be brought forward.

2011
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:33,270
So you're suggesting that we don't use this specific language?

2012
02:36:34,070 --> 02:36:39,470
It might be easier to encompass it in terms of the holistic merits of all the comments received tonight.

2013
02:36:40,730 --> 02:36:42,330
I think because they go beyond parking?

2014
02:36:42,790 --> 02:36:55,310
It will go beyond the parking and it will have to look at issues of lot fabric, the trees that were mentioned, park connectivity, natural species was brought up, some studies, information.

2015
02:36:56,070 --> 02:36:58,250
Okay, and what was your language specifically, so?

2016
02:36:58,750 --> 02:37:03,630
Something to the effect of the merits of the application and comments received at the public meeting.

2017
02:37:12,100 --> 02:37:18,420
So to that end, I mean, given that I agree, I think we want all elements and facets of the meeting to be considered.

2018
02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:19,960
I don't want to lose affordable housing.

2019
02:37:20,040 --> 02:37:23,320
It took up about 70% of the conversation this evening.

2020
02:37:23,880 --> 02:37:26,100
Are we confident that this motion will achieve that?

2021
02:37:26,100 --> 02:37:30,180
That is not something that will be lost in the additional report that is to be written.

2022
02:37:30,180 --> 02:37:35,820
I think we were talking about affordable housing and the affordability objectives in the official plan.

2023
02:37:36,300 --> 02:37:40,780
So I want to be very clear that that's the frame here, right, when we talk about housing.

2024
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:49,660
So to that end, language for our consideration council colleagues is that further that community of the whole direct staff

2025
02:37:49,660 --> 02:37:54,660
to prepare a report on the merits of the application

2026
02:37:55,340 --> 02:37:59,360
and all comments received during the public meeting.

2027
02:38:00,380 --> 02:38:01,300
Is that correct?

2028
02:38:02,460 --> 02:38:03,740
So you're going to have to give me the language.

2029
02:38:05,860 --> 02:38:09,200
The portion of setting up proposed conditions

2030
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:11,460
of draft approval based on the merits.

2031
02:38:11,820 --> 02:38:13,100
That's what I said, based on merits.

2032
02:38:13,360 --> 02:38:15,640
It sounded like you omitted the session

2033
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:18,360
that setting up proposed conditions of draft approval.

2034
02:38:18,360 --> 02:38:22,660
That was the whole point of this evening's meetings to gather these comments, and then we'll come back.

2035
02:38:23,720 --> 02:38:24,020
Okay.

2036
02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:25,960
Setting up proposed conditions.

2037
02:38:25,960 --> 02:38:28,620
Here are the conditions that you want achieved before they're going to get draft approval.

2038
02:38:28,620 --> 02:38:28,780
Indeed.

2039
02:38:29,020 --> 02:38:29,560
I understand that.

2040
02:38:29,980 --> 02:38:32,240
So I think we're just looking at where we're placing these words.

2041
02:38:33,460 --> 02:38:38,520
Prepare a report, setting up proposed conditions of draft approval based upon the merits of the application,

2042
02:38:38,520 --> 02:38:41,120
and all comments received during the public meeting.

2043
02:38:41,300 --> 02:38:41,600
Is that correct?

2044
02:38:42,020 --> 02:38:42,160
Yes, that's correct.

2045
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:42,360
Okay.

2046
02:38:42,360 --> 02:38:49,340
All right, for this subdivision phase to be brought back to a subsequent meeting for consideration by Committee of the Whole.

2047
02:38:49,640 --> 02:38:50,020
Are we good?

2048
02:38:53,380 --> 02:38:53,620
Okay.

2049
02:38:54,620 --> 02:38:58,280
With that in mind, unless there's further comment, do you have further comment?

2050
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:00,620
I'm looking to the deputy mayor actually.

2051
02:39:01,000 --> 02:39:01,180
Okay.

2052
02:39:02,980 --> 02:39:10,380
The only thing is, again, I'd like to understand the process and maybe Mr. Danton can explain.

2053
02:39:10,380 --> 02:39:16,140
But here we're just giving staff direction, of course,

2054
02:39:16,400 --> 02:39:19,600
to put together or look at some of the ideas here,

2055
02:39:20,040 --> 02:39:21,480
the concerns we've had.

2056
02:39:21,820 --> 02:39:23,880
And I'm assuming they will continue

2057
02:39:23,880 --> 02:39:27,020
to consult with the engineers and the developers along the way

2058
02:39:27,020 --> 02:39:30,600
until we get to a reasonable negotiation on this.

2059
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:34,060
Because to take it point blank to what I see,

2060
02:39:35,460 --> 02:39:38,280
I still don't totally agree.

2061
02:39:38,280 --> 02:39:45,500
It sounds like, you know, if you're going to say the affordable housing has to be in this one small phase, in a sense,

2062
02:39:46,920 --> 02:39:51,340
that can be a big challenge to, especially with the number we're talking about,

2063
02:39:51,460 --> 02:40:00,560
unless we downsize your townhouses dramatically and make them a little – or increase the density and more population,

2064
02:40:01,060 --> 02:40:03,100
more units in that place. I'm a little concerned there.

2065
02:40:03,100 --> 02:40:09,120
So I think, you know, I'm sure reasonable heads will prevail and will come with a reasonable number

2066
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:17,280
and that we're not expecting, I'm not expecting 25% of everything in that one little phase would have to be in, fit into that number.

2067
02:40:17,640 --> 02:40:29,380
So anyways, I know there's negotiations to go forward here because I do have concerns with density and the initial design and concept of that specific living space

2068
02:40:29,380 --> 02:40:33,460
was designed in its particular way for a specific reason.

2069
02:40:34,480 --> 02:40:36,240
And so I don't want to go too far off that.

2070
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:42,880
I think your comments will also hold as part of the dialogue this evening.

2071
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:45,340
So I think reasonable heads will prevail.

2072
02:40:45,820 --> 02:40:48,360
And I think objectives can be met.

2073
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:50,460
So I'm going to look for a mover and a seconder.

2074
02:40:50,620 --> 02:40:51,280
We have some language.

2075
02:40:51,780 --> 02:40:52,000
Okay.

2076
02:40:52,600 --> 02:40:53,840
I've got Barclay and O'Sullivan.

2077
02:40:56,360 --> 02:41:00,880
So I don't think I need to read the motion again.

2078
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:11,680
We have some amended language, which includes that staff is directed to consider the merits of the application based upon all comments received during the public meeting,

2079
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:18,540
so that this particular application can be brought back to a subsequent meeting for consideration by community of the whole.

2080
02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:19,780
Saf, are we good?

2081
02:41:20,620 --> 02:41:20,740
Good.

2082
02:41:21,560 --> 02:41:21,840
Okay.

2083
02:41:22,240 --> 02:41:26,260
Then I will call the question unless there are further comments by council colleagues.

2084
02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:26,740
No.

2085
02:41:27,340 --> 02:41:27,600
Okay.

2086
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:28,440
All in favor, please.

2087
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:29,380
Good.

2088
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:34,520
Thank you. Motion passes. We are actually taking five minutes and then we're moving on to Pelton's

2089
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:35,300
corners. Thank you.

2090
02:56:39,470 --> 02:56:44,710
Okay, welcome back to our meeting. This is special committee, the whole number one for Wednesday,

2091
02:56:44,910 --> 02:56:51,630
Jan. 15. We are now at 9.30. Agenda item number one, which is the Zoning By-law Amendment

2092
02:56:51,630 --> 02:56:58,190
application for Equinol subdivision phase five has just completed, and we've now resumed

2093
02:56:58,190 --> 02:57:03,490
our session to speak to the proposed plan of subdivision conditions of draft approval

2094
02:57:03,490 --> 02:57:06,950
approval for Peltin's Corners Subdivision Phase 2.

2095
02:57:07,150 --> 02:57:08,830
So I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Danche, please.

2096
02:57:10,960 --> 02:57:11,580
Thank you.

2097
02:57:15,550 --> 02:57:20,570
So to speak to the presentation this evening on the recommended conditions of draft approval

2098
02:57:20,570 --> 02:57:23,310
for the proposed plan of subdivision, Phase 2 of Peltin's Corner,

2099
02:57:23,570 --> 02:57:27,130
provide a quick brief review of the subject property for context.

2100
02:57:28,010 --> 02:57:33,270
The site area shown in red is the site area itself of approximately 37 acres.

2101
02:57:34,090 --> 02:57:40,450
That is located to the west of Phase 1, which is shown just right here.

2102
02:57:42,130 --> 02:57:47,110
The vacant lands predominantly surround the property to the northwest and south.

2103
02:57:47,370 --> 02:57:50,110
There are some residential properties that front onto Pelton Road,

2104
02:57:50,390 --> 02:57:53,450
and again, the Phase 1 is to the west there.

2105
02:57:56,540 --> 02:58:00,380
The proposed subdivision has been designed as an extension of Phase 1,

2106
02:58:00,500 --> 02:58:02,860
and it's slated to consist of 20 residential lots,

2107
02:58:02,860 --> 02:58:08,540
averaging in size of 1.7 acres with frontage of 50 meters which was

2108
02:58:08,540 --> 02:58:13,420
addressed through the Zoning By-law Amendment ZBA-11-19.

2109
02:58:15,660 --> 02:58:17,580
With respect to

2110
02:58:17,580 --> 02:58:22,440
the subdivision and circulation, there were a series of comments from agencies

2111
02:58:22,440 --> 02:58:25,760
in the public which included the following. There was a letter from South

2112
02:58:25,760 --> 02:58:30,080
Asia Conservation Authority which requested some inclusion of conditions

2113
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:34,900
with respect to log grading and drainage, stormwater management, environmental impact

2114
02:58:34,900 --> 02:58:39,640
statement, and sediment and erosion control. There were letters from Hydro 1 and

2115
02:58:39,640 --> 02:58:43,020
Enbridge Gas stating no objection or comments or concerns for the proposed

2116
02:58:43,020 --> 02:58:47,020
application. A letter from Bell Canada requesting the inclusion of conditions

2117
02:58:47,020 --> 02:58:52,640
related to easements. There was one letter of concern circulated to

2118
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:56,660
council regarding concerns over construction traffic and noise along

2119
02:58:56,660 --> 02:59:03,000
Peltin Road that was addressed in the draft conditions to be spoken to. As well

2120
02:59:03,000 --> 02:59:07,220
this morning we received one comment from a resident which reads as follows.

2121
02:59:09,980 --> 02:59:13,380
The subdivision proposal in the staff report do not reference or

2122
02:59:13,380 --> 02:59:16,720
address the official plan objectives of providing more affordable housing or

2123
02:59:16,720 --> 02:59:21,160
rental housing. The subdivision draft conditions agreement should be revised

2124
02:59:21,160 --> 02:59:25,080
to recognize a certain number of units that will be affordable and or

2125
02:59:25,080 --> 02:59:29,080
rental or alternatively, the subdivision owner acknowledges and agrees in the subdivision

2126
02:59:29,080 --> 02:59:34,800
agreement that a specified number, i.e., actually number included within the subdivision agreement

2127
02:59:35,360 --> 02:59:38,780
of single detached dwellings proposed will include a secondary dwelling unit.

2128
02:59:39,520 --> 02:59:44,420
This could and likely would assist with both affordable and rental accommodation objectives.

2129
02:59:45,040 --> 02:59:48,960
Subdivision securities could be used to ensure this is met within the agreement and

2130
02:59:48,960 --> 02:59:50,060
can recognize this.

2131
02:59:52,650 --> 02:59:55,950
This was received by Carl Cannon.

2132
03:00:00,020 --> 03:00:05,740
These comments were taken into consideration by staff with the drafting of the conditions to be presented this evening.

2133
03:00:06,560 --> 03:00:16,860
In addition to that, some of the topics heard at the public meeting held on November 13th were also taken into consideration with main topics and points of interest,

2134
03:00:17,000 --> 03:00:24,440
including concerns related to appropriate environmental and drainage studies being completed, concerns over change of character to the area,

2135
03:00:25,580 --> 03:00:29,780
Light pollution related to the subdivision expansion and privacy with

2136
03:00:29,780 --> 03:00:34,800
respect to pedestrian access and walking paths, construction traffic and noise,

2137
03:00:35,480 --> 03:00:39,120
stormwater management and drainage and tree conservation planning efforts.

2138
03:00:43,100 --> 03:00:45,660
Before we get into the draft conditions we will speak to the recommendation

2139
03:00:45,660 --> 03:00:48,340
brought forward by staff this evening is that the Committee of the Whole

2140
03:00:48,340 --> 03:00:52,360
recommend the Council approve that the staff prepared conditions of draft

2141
03:00:52,360 --> 03:00:54,940
approval be submitted to the United Counties of Leeds in Grenville,

2142
03:00:54,940 --> 03:00:56,740
approval authority by council.

2143
03:00:59,810 --> 03:01:02,850
So to dive into some of the details of the drafted

2144
03:01:02,850 --> 03:01:10,270
conditions, there were 31 draft conditions recommended by staff. Based on the

2145
03:01:10,270 --> 03:01:13,670
number of draft conditions this evening's presentation we'll just seek to

2146
03:01:13,670 --> 03:01:18,250
highlight and group some of the draft conditions for the meeting purposes. The

2147
03:01:18,250 --> 03:01:23,010
conditions number one through seven are more standard draft conditions

2148
03:01:23,010 --> 03:01:28,930
related to a subdivision that speak to the draft plan part of me that is approved and

2149
03:01:28,930 --> 03:01:32,090
then related development features such as lot numbers, blocks and et cetera.

2150
03:01:33,410 --> 03:01:37,150
The lapsing period in the extension process through the United Counties of Leeds and

2151
03:01:37,150 --> 03:01:41,770
Grenville as well as registration and parkland dedication requirements moving forward to

2152
03:01:41,770 --> 03:01:42,410
condition eight.

2153
03:01:43,050 --> 03:01:47,510
This condition addresses the requirement of a final stormwater management plan to be

2154
03:01:47,510 --> 03:01:53,090
submitted the municipality and to the satisfaction municipality stormwater is

2155
03:01:53,090 --> 03:01:56,690
further mentioned throughout the draft conditions in condition 10 and 13 which

2156
03:01:56,690 --> 03:02:03,070
outlined the items and requirements of such a plan condition 11 addresses the

2157
03:02:03,070 --> 03:02:05,930
requirement of a grading and drainage plan to be submitted to the municipality

2158
03:02:05,930 --> 03:02:09,170
prior to final approval which again speaks to concerns raised at the

2159
03:02:09,170 --> 03:02:14,150
public meeting condition 15 requires an erosion sediment control plan to be

2160
03:02:14,150 --> 03:02:15,390
prepared and implemented.

2161
03:02:16,070 --> 03:02:17,810
Condition 16 addresses the requirement

2162
03:02:17,810 --> 03:02:20,630
of a traffic impact statement to be prepared and followed.

2163
03:02:22,030 --> 03:02:24,710
Condition 17 and 19 speak to owner responsibilities

2164
03:02:24,710 --> 03:02:26,590
to be addressed through the subdivision agreement,

2165
03:02:26,770 --> 03:02:29,150
including financial securities and relationship

2166
03:02:29,150 --> 03:02:29,950
to infrastructure,

2167
03:02:32,490 --> 03:02:34,050
stormwater collection, street signs,

2168
03:02:34,170 --> 03:02:34,490
and the like.

2169
03:02:35,190 --> 03:02:36,750
Condition 21 addresses the requirement

2170
03:02:36,750 --> 03:02:40,070
for a tree preservation plan to be prepared and submitted

2171
03:02:40,070 --> 03:02:42,510
and to be due to the satisfaction of the municipality.

2172
03:02:43,970 --> 03:02:46,110
Condition 24 addresses that the subdivisions

2173
03:02:46,110 --> 03:02:48,570
will include restrictions for the permitted hours

2174
03:02:48,570 --> 03:02:50,210
of construction activity on the site

2175
03:02:50,210 --> 03:02:52,210
and the location of construction access.

2176
03:02:53,330 --> 03:02:55,230
This then speaks directly to some of the concerns

2177
03:02:55,230 --> 03:02:56,930
raised by residents along Pelton Road.

2178
03:02:58,310 --> 03:03:00,670
The remaining conditions relate to the clearing

2179
03:03:00,670 --> 03:03:02,470
of any outstanding items from Phase 1,

2180
03:03:02,730 --> 03:03:06,110
required amendments to the existing ECA for Phase 2

2181
03:03:06,110 --> 03:03:08,130
and confirmation that all conditions have been cleared

2182
03:03:08,130 --> 03:03:09,890
to the satisfaction of the municipality,

2183
03:03:10,390 --> 03:03:12,250
issued to the United Counties of Leeds and Grenville,

2184
03:03:12,570 --> 03:03:13,850
who again are the approval authority

2185
03:03:13,850 --> 03:03:15,290
for this plan of subdivision.

2186
03:03:16,090 --> 03:03:17,750
If you have any further questions, please advise

2187
03:03:17,750 --> 03:03:19,330
and that's the end of my presentation.

2188
03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:27,480
David, is this an unusual amount of conditions?

2189
03:03:27,800 --> 03:03:28,680
It seems awfully long.

2190
03:03:30,400 --> 03:03:31,540
It's a late night, sorry.

2191
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:37,520
So being my first round, this is a little higher

2192
03:03:37,520 --> 03:03:40,520
than what I'd seen received at the county level.

2193
03:03:40,520 --> 03:03:52,440
However, the county does group conditions that are similar in nature for clarification and

2194
03:03:52,440 --> 03:03:52,900
transparency.

2195
03:03:53,220 --> 03:03:56,040
Some things with storm water, for instance, will be grouped into one condition when they

2196
03:03:56,040 --> 03:03:58,720
go to the counties for their consideration to be included.

2197
03:04:02,860 --> 03:04:07,520
Okay, council colleagues, I'm sure you're doing your due diligence this evening and

2198
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:09,960
closely reviewing all the conditions.

2199
03:04:09,960 --> 03:04:18,180
Mr. Nansen, given the comment we received from member of the public who obviously has

2200
03:04:18,180 --> 03:04:24,280
some expertise and played a crucial role on the affordable housing task force, can we have

2201
03:04:24,280 --> 03:04:31,700
someone speak to affordability in particular in Pelton's Corners and whether or not there's

2202
03:04:31,700 --> 03:04:38,380
some ground to be gained here or some provisions already that are captured by the conditions

2203
03:04:43,280 --> 03:04:45,780
Are you in a position to do that or should we ask?

2204
03:04:46,600 --> 03:04:50,460
I'm asking Mr. Nant first, and then I'd like to hear from you, please.

2205
03:04:51,080 --> 03:04:51,620
Thank you.

2206
03:04:53,060 --> 03:04:58,300
In a similar regard to the review in the Equinel public meeting,

2207
03:04:59,000 --> 03:05:06,680
the interpretation that I took from the Official Plan was the target of all development to include 25%

2208
03:05:06,680 --> 03:05:13,020
and looking at the municipality as that all, as opposed to shaping to one development.

2209
03:05:14,050 --> 03:05:20,600
As a planned phase in a rural residential area, without access to servicing and being extension

2210
03:05:20,600 --> 03:05:26,880
of existing phase, it was my opinion in reviewing the merits of this application that it was

2211
03:05:26,880 --> 03:05:33,100
compatible with the existing uses for private servicing and the available infrastructure

2212
03:05:33,100 --> 03:05:41,240
And that affordable housing was not part of the application and was not further considered.

2213
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:48,780
So your opinion to be clear, you believe that the official plan of stipulations shouldn't apply to this subdivision by virtue of location?

2214
03:05:50,300 --> 03:05:52,360
Is that what I'm hearing? I just want to be clear.

2215
03:05:53,240 --> 03:05:57,540
Without trying to put myself into a corner.

2216
03:05:59,280 --> 03:06:04,160
The interpretation was that the rural residential lots in the nature

2217
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:10,020
of what was planned for this development originally being eight lots in total

2218
03:06:10,020 --> 03:06:15,020
on even larger lot fabric going down to 20, that process was intended

2219
03:06:15,020 --> 03:06:18,440
to accommodate a certain style of development in the rural area,

2220
03:06:18,540 --> 03:06:24,460
being the last rural residential subdivision, in which case it was viewed to be compatible

2221
03:06:24,460 --> 03:06:27,600
to carry forward the style of development from phase one to phase two.

2222
03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:31,060
So the initial character of the subdivision and its location?

2223
03:06:31,500 --> 03:06:31,680
Correct.

2224
03:06:31,920 --> 03:06:34,560
Are things that you've identified as limiting factors?

2225
03:06:34,780 --> 03:06:35,160
Is that correct?

2226
03:06:35,640 --> 03:06:36,180
This is correct.

2227
03:06:36,300 --> 03:06:36,440
Okay.

2228
03:06:36,920 --> 03:06:37,040
Okay.

2229
03:06:37,580 --> 03:06:41,860
So, council colleagues, just because we've had that comment from a member of the public,

2230
03:06:42,140 --> 03:06:45,440
yes, he has expertise with the housing task force,

2231
03:06:45,540 --> 03:06:49,900
but nonetheless as a resident in our community and we want to give due consideration to that,

2232
03:06:50,880 --> 03:06:52,420
I think we should speak to that.

2233
03:06:52,420 --> 03:06:54,500
But apart from that, are there other things

2234
03:06:54,500 --> 03:06:56,580
that we'd like to ask about in the application?

2235
03:06:58,720 --> 03:06:59,020
Indeed.

2236
03:06:59,440 --> 03:06:59,520
OK.

2237
03:07:00,020 --> 03:07:00,520
Please go ahead.

2238
03:07:00,820 --> 03:07:05,600
Can you repeat what you said about secondary units?

2239
03:07:06,820 --> 03:07:10,400
You mentioned something about secondary units in these.

2240
03:07:11,920 --> 03:07:12,340
The potential.

2241
03:07:13,320 --> 03:07:13,680
Did you?

2242
03:07:14,080 --> 03:07:16,860
So this was from the comment received?

2243
03:07:17,480 --> 03:07:19,780
Oh, from the affordable housing unit.

2244
03:07:20,000 --> 03:07:20,080
OK.

2245
03:07:20,480 --> 03:07:20,800
Which is?

2246
03:07:20,940 --> 03:07:21,360
Task force.

2247
03:07:21,360 --> 03:07:30,620
Okay, because that would be my question is, I would see that's probably the only way to make any affordable housing in there.

2248
03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:40,940
And that would obviously be based upon the owner of the home, whether or not they wanted to have a secondary dwelling on the property, the purchaser.

2249
03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:49,140
unless there was an appetite to purpose build one or two homes

2250
03:07:49,140 --> 03:07:52,300
with secondary dwellings in them.

2251
03:07:53,340 --> 03:07:57,200
But I mean, it's possible on services, on private services.

2252
03:07:59,670 --> 03:08:00,910
Councillor Berkeley, please.

2253
03:08:01,670 --> 03:08:04,190
I have a question about the official plan.

2254
03:08:04,330 --> 03:08:06,630
Does it make no distinction between the urban service area

2255
03:08:06,630 --> 03:08:10,110
and the rural residential area in terms of affordable housing?

2256
03:08:13,210 --> 03:08:17,430
I would have to take a more detailed look at how the policies apply outside of the urban

2257
03:08:17,430 --> 03:08:21,570
service area and the rural area and get back to you on that.

2258
03:08:24,130 --> 03:08:26,150
Mr. Gerard, you might be able to answer that question.

2259
03:08:31,360 --> 03:08:36,540
The official plan is a global document, though there was a carve-out for Equinell.

2260
03:08:36,840 --> 03:08:38,380
There was specificity for Equinell.

2261
03:08:38,380 --> 03:08:44,000
Is that the only kind of carve-out when speaking to a particular neighborhood?

2262
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:51,180
Otherwise, the official plan is intended to be a global document, and the expectation is,

2263
03:08:51,200 --> 03:08:57,500
is that development writ large is to be measured to some degree against the objectives in the plan.

2264
03:08:57,660 --> 03:08:57,900
Is that right?

2265
03:08:58,880 --> 03:08:59,040
Right.

2266
03:08:59,260 --> 03:08:59,360
Okay.

2267
03:09:00,760 --> 03:09:01,020
Okay.

2268
03:09:01,880 --> 03:09:03,380
Yes, of course, Councillor Barclay.

2269
03:09:04,340 --> 03:09:14,500
Yeah, so your interpretation of the official plan as it relates to affordable housing took into account the number of units or the location of the units, correct?

2270
03:09:14,840 --> 03:09:15,840
Is that what I'm hearing?

2271
03:09:17,180 --> 03:09:18,220
Sorry, can you repeat?

2272
03:09:18,620 --> 03:09:23,940
Oh, well, in response to an answer, I guess it was from the mayor.

2273
03:09:23,940 --> 03:09:35,180
You said that applying the affordable housing section of the official plan, you didn't discount it.

2274
03:09:35,260 --> 03:09:40,380
That's putting words in your mouth, but you took into account that it was a rural residential area

2275
03:09:40,380 --> 03:09:47,700
and the style of the phase one and the size of the lots and the number of lots.

2276
03:09:48,440 --> 03:09:50,620
That was part of your answer, or maybe you could repeat.

2277
03:09:51,300 --> 03:09:58,880
Part of my review in assessing the holistic merits of this application, being a secondary

2278
03:09:58,880 --> 03:10:04,140
phase to the existing development, was looking at available servicing, constraints to the

2279
03:10:04,140 --> 03:10:08,440
sites in terms of development, as well as taking into consideration the official plan,

2280
03:10:08,660 --> 03:10:14,660
which as I read is for the holistic, if we build 100 units, we're targeting and trying

2281
03:10:14,660 --> 03:10:23,640
to achieve 25 of them to be affordable as a collective and that was part of my consideration

2282
03:10:23,640 --> 03:10:25,840
and my recommendation to move forward with these conditions.

2283
03:10:28,660 --> 03:10:32,420
Problem with that interpretation because we never get there because it's always somebody

2284
03:10:32,420 --> 03:10:35,320
else's problem to have affordable housing start.

2285
03:10:35,680 --> 03:10:36,600
Anyways, thank you.

2286
03:10:38,460 --> 03:10:48,640
Just to work clear, because obviously the subject is yours, is your concern is with asymmetry

2287
03:10:48,640 --> 03:10:52,660
in terms of policy applications, i.e., one-on-one.

2288
03:10:52,680 --> 03:10:56,720
Well, it's actually my impression that if we look at it holistically, like all the next

2289
03:10:56,720 --> 03:11:03,560
hundred homes built in North Granville, if it's another developer, if the onus falls

2290
03:11:03,560 --> 03:11:09,400
on the next developer to have 25% of the total amount that could exceed the number of units

2291
03:11:09,400 --> 03:11:12,800
that he's planning to build, you know, like if it was just-

2292
03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:13,820
So we're passing it down the line.

2293
03:11:13,860 --> 03:11:16,260
Yeah, we're just picking the problem down the road, so.

2294
03:11:16,320 --> 03:11:16,540
Right.

2295
03:11:18,560 --> 03:11:18,820
Okay.

2296
03:11:19,060 --> 03:11:23,180
So you've spoken to it, to representatives on the builder, wish to speak to it?

2297
03:11:26,660 --> 03:11:27,880
We'd like someone to speak to it.

2298
03:11:28,340 --> 03:11:28,860
Thank you.

2299
03:11:32,170 --> 03:11:34,210
And we do hope you're feeling better, Mr. Knowsworthy.

2300
03:11:34,470 --> 03:11:37,310
And I would like to personally state regret.

2301
03:11:37,310 --> 03:11:39,670
I wasn't involved in obviously the decision-making.

2302
03:11:40,110 --> 03:11:42,630
I think Pelton's Corners may have been the far shorter

2303
03:11:42,630 --> 03:11:45,630
of the two conversations, and I know you're not feeling well.

2304
03:11:46,250 --> 03:11:50,630
So apologies that we weren't able to put you first versus second.

2305
03:11:50,870 --> 03:11:52,010
So learning for next time.

2306
03:11:52,250 --> 03:11:52,650
We never know.

2307
03:11:53,030 --> 03:11:54,530
Thank you for your patience.

2308
03:11:54,850 --> 03:11:55,130
You never know.

2309
03:11:55,250 --> 03:11:56,410
Always fun being here.

2310
03:11:57,210 --> 03:12:01,670
The number of houses you're proposing to build are much lower

2311
03:12:01,670 --> 03:12:03,010
than the number that you've done, Alice.

2312
03:12:05,350 --> 03:12:13,650
I'm very cognizant of the fact that we need to create more affordable housing in North

2313
03:12:13,650 --> 03:12:14,070
Crennville.

2314
03:12:16,350 --> 03:12:23,010
In this particular situation, I reviewed a number of things, our price list to start

2315
03:12:23,010 --> 03:12:23,230
out.

2316
03:12:23,650 --> 03:12:27,830
Our homes in this particular subdivision started 460,000.

2317
03:12:27,830 --> 03:12:31,950
So I went, okay, we're not going to achieve the affordable number that way.

2318
03:12:33,430 --> 03:12:45,010
We, because of the nature of the rural subdivisions and the limitations of the number of units on a one-acre parcel, it is limited to a single-family home.

2319
03:12:46,330 --> 03:12:55,350
Recently, within the last year, we've had actually two homes on the current phase one of Pelton's

2320
03:12:55,350 --> 03:13:02,490
Corners that have approached us and asked us about in-law suites. So we've actually built one

2321
03:13:02,490 --> 03:13:09,030
out and sold it completely. We have another one under construction right now. And I've given

2322
03:13:09,030 --> 03:13:15,510
instructions to our engineers that for the 20 lots in phase two that they do

2323
03:13:15,510 --> 03:13:20,310
everything that they can that they can imagine to make them walk out basements

2324
03:13:20,310 --> 03:13:25,650
so that we can offer in-law suites in all of them. Now again I'm driven by the

2325
03:13:25,650 --> 03:13:29,110
market so people will come they'll look at a house they'll look at the

2326
03:13:29,110 --> 03:13:33,010
differential and they'll see that but we will be offering and aggressively

2327
03:13:33,010 --> 03:13:39,530
pushing to put in in-law suites or granny suites or apartments or whatever you

2328
03:13:39,530 --> 03:13:43,050
want to call it but they are secondary units and we're doing everything that we

2329
03:13:43,050 --> 03:13:48,970
can. Is it going to work on every house? No but we are we're doing everything we

2330
03:13:48,970 --> 03:13:53,870
can to make that happen because I'm also cognizant of the demands of the

2331
03:13:53,870 --> 03:13:59,570
municipality and the affordable housing task force but I also need to follow

2332
03:13:59,570 --> 03:14:06,570
of the market. So I don't know what else to say other than just, we're trying everything

2333
03:14:06,570 --> 03:14:11,950
we can to get there and we're working with it. We've got two in the first phase and now

2334
03:14:11,950 --> 03:14:17,230
we're moving to phase two and hopefully we can have more than two in phase two. But again,

2335
03:14:18,250 --> 03:14:19,290
that's a buyer's choice.

2336
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:26,920
I don't have much to add to that other than to say that the zoning by-law allows

2337
03:14:26,920 --> 03:14:30,920
second units as of right so anywhere in the community where there's a single

2338
03:14:30,920 --> 03:14:38,660
dwelling the owners have the ability to add a second unit to for to achieve

2339
03:14:38,660 --> 03:14:43,060
affordability or to achieve you know housing for whether it's an elderly

2340
03:14:43,060 --> 03:14:51,900
parent or you know for for for the youth for any for anybody who needs it

2341
03:14:51,900 --> 03:14:59,000
So that has the right abilities already built into the zoning bylaw and I think what Mr.

2342
03:14:59,140 --> 03:14:59,900
knows where he's saying.

2343
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:03,900
Is that he would like to take advantage of that, where possible, with this development

2344
03:15:03,900 --> 03:15:07,800
to try to advance those types of opportunities.

2345
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:14,540
And I think the adjustments the municipality has made in the participation of provincial

2346
03:15:14,540 --> 03:15:20,640
legislation relieve some of that burden because you won't be charged DCs on a secondary dwelling

2347
03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:21,180
unit, correct?

2348
03:15:21,260 --> 03:15:24,680
Yes, and we appreciate that and that's exactly what we're able to sell those last two since

2349
03:15:24,680 --> 03:15:26,360
that change was made by the municipality.

2350
03:15:26,360 --> 03:15:33,300
Right. So, I think the working assumption by the province is that by not charging it

2351
03:15:33,300 --> 03:15:36,320
to you, you have a little bit of flexibility at price point.

2352
03:15:36,580 --> 03:15:38,500
Well, it's just that we don't charge it to the client.

2353
03:15:38,780 --> 03:15:42,360
At the end of the day, if it's $5,000 is the extra charge, we're going to add that

2354
03:15:42,360 --> 03:15:46,060
to the selling price. If that wasn't added, we didn't add it onto the price.

2355
03:15:46,120 --> 03:15:49,020
So, yes, it made a big difference in those last couple of months.

2356
03:15:49,380 --> 03:15:55,520
To what degree do you think, ensuring that the engineering or the conceptual designs

2357
03:15:55,520 --> 03:16:04,440
for those homes if they include the capacity to respond to a request for a secondary dwelling unit.

2358
03:16:04,760 --> 03:16:08,760
How significant is that when you're in negotiations with a prospective buyer?

2359
03:16:09,420 --> 03:16:10,620
Is that a big deal, a little deal?

2360
03:16:11,880 --> 03:16:14,740
That's the availability of being able to build a second unit?

2361
03:16:14,900 --> 03:16:20,540
Well, you said that you were planning to aggressively market the potential

2362
03:16:20,540 --> 03:16:25,840
or the ease with which someone could request a secondary dwelling unit by virtue of the

2363
03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:30,520
engineering plans that would be presented or on offer?

2364
03:16:30,800 --> 03:16:31,280
Is that what we're hearing?

2365
03:16:31,420 --> 03:16:33,700
I forgive me.

2366
03:16:33,940 --> 03:16:34,020
I don't have a reference.

2367
03:16:34,020 --> 03:16:36,660
There are no other conceptual plans that we present to them.

2368
03:16:37,000 --> 03:16:41,380
We present the existing plans of the current homes, the two homes that have the in-law

2369
03:16:41,380 --> 03:16:41,680
suites.

2370
03:16:42,420 --> 03:16:43,500
There are some limitations.

2371
03:16:43,940 --> 03:16:46,080
We have to augment the septic system.

2372
03:16:46,080 --> 03:16:50,180
We have to augment the fire protection between the two units.

2373
03:16:50,700 --> 03:16:56,280
There are two kitchens, so there's additional cost to it, but it's nothing like building two homes, right?

2374
03:16:56,700 --> 03:16:59,740
So you're taking advantage of the infrastructure that's in one house.

2375
03:17:01,520 --> 03:17:08,340
So aggressively is that I speak with all of the clients that come through the door that are more than kicking the tires.

2376
03:17:08,900 --> 03:17:14,180
So I get to meet them personally, and I get to talk to them about their wants and their needs and their future,

2377
03:17:14,180 --> 03:17:15,880
and this is a big deal.

2378
03:17:16,420 --> 03:17:17,360
For me, it's a big deal.

2379
03:17:18,100 --> 03:17:20,300
The in-law suites are, as far as I'm concerned,

2380
03:17:20,580 --> 03:17:24,120
a very good utilization of an existing single-family home

2381
03:17:24,120 --> 03:17:24,760
in the country.

2382
03:17:25,300 --> 03:17:27,740
So I'm pushing it.

2383
03:17:27,940 --> 03:17:29,980
I think we're pleased to see that.

2384
03:17:31,280 --> 03:17:32,140
Council colleagues?

2385
03:17:33,460 --> 03:17:34,920
Other things when it comes to housing?

2386
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:36,480
Member of the public?

2387
03:17:37,520 --> 03:17:37,680
Okay.

2388
03:17:38,580 --> 03:17:39,240
Come on down, please.

2389
03:17:40,140 --> 03:17:40,540
Thank you.

2390
03:17:42,340 --> 03:17:43,900
Thank you very much.

2391
03:17:52,480 --> 03:17:53,720
Welcome back, Mr. Cannon.

2392
03:17:56,670 --> 03:17:57,430
Last man standing.

2393
03:17:57,850 --> 03:17:58,750
Thank you, Your Worship.

2394
03:17:58,830 --> 03:17:59,270
Of the public.

2395
03:18:01,070 --> 03:18:14,310
Really, the comment was to stimulate the discussion you just had. The official plan does not preclude the rural area from participating, having its share relevant to affordable housing, because there's also a need within that sector of the community.

2396
03:18:14,310 --> 03:18:20,650
So, you know, relevant to this particular application and the comments that were identified.

2397
03:18:21,090 --> 03:18:26,590
I mean, I think in this case, unlike other applications where I think there's opportunity for flexibility,

2398
03:18:26,930 --> 03:18:33,330
probably in this scenario, it's really that there's maybe not that opportunity at this time

2399
03:18:33,330 --> 03:18:39,730
and that they proponent's comments, you know, identify the thought process that we're all thinking

2400
03:18:39,730 --> 03:18:44,710
and that secondary dwelling units really are the predominant option within the rural sector,

2401
03:18:45,210 --> 03:18:49,830
so that he's identified that he's provided for that enhanced opportunity.

2402
03:18:50,390 --> 03:18:55,390
Maybe at this stage that's the best that we can expect and look forward,

2403
03:18:55,590 --> 03:18:59,970
if otherwise it's acceptable moving forward without any other proviso.

2404
03:19:00,630 --> 03:19:01,010
Thank you.

2405
03:19:03,150 --> 03:19:03,730
Thank you.

2406
03:19:03,790 --> 03:19:04,290
I appreciate that.

2407
03:19:04,710 --> 03:19:08,330
I think given what we're looking at in this community,

2408
03:19:08,330 --> 03:19:15,730
which is a real shortage of reasonably built and reasonably priced high quality rental

2409
03:19:15,730 --> 03:19:16,230
units.

2410
03:19:16,510 --> 03:19:23,730
I don't mean the highest quality available, but just a reasonably built rental unit.

2411
03:19:24,330 --> 03:19:27,630
I think the addition of secondary units, which is where the province is recognized,

2412
03:19:28,190 --> 03:19:28,550
is key.

2413
03:19:28,950 --> 03:19:29,410
It's huge.

2414
03:19:29,790 --> 03:19:35,170
If 10 of 20 of the homes that you purchase, or 50 percent of the homes that you build

2415
03:19:35,170 --> 03:19:42,250
and sell have secondary units, you may have solved a housing problem for 10 couples, for 10 seniors, right?

2416
03:19:42,390 --> 03:19:51,190
So I think there is significance, you know, obviously doing everything you can to ensure that people give due consideration for that,

2417
03:19:51,230 --> 03:19:52,190
especially in the long term.

2418
03:19:52,330 --> 03:19:55,250
People are typically in these homes for the long term.

2419
03:19:55,350 --> 03:19:58,790
They take great care to choose a site, right, to choose a builder.

2420
03:19:59,510 --> 03:20:00,810
They spend quite a bit of money.

2421
03:20:00,810 --> 03:20:08,270
So I do think the secondary dwelling unit piece is notable and I think we would hope that you have some success.

2422
03:20:08,590 --> 03:20:10,550
Mr. Cannon, is there anything else at this stage?

2423
03:20:10,770 --> 03:20:10,910
Okay.

2424
03:20:12,610 --> 03:20:13,170
Good.

2425
03:20:13,670 --> 03:20:13,850
Okay.

2426
03:20:14,190 --> 03:20:15,930
So we've spoken to housing council colleagues.

2427
03:20:16,490 --> 03:20:17,410
Anything else on that?

2428
03:20:17,850 --> 03:20:18,230
No.

2429
03:20:18,550 --> 03:20:18,690
Okay.

2430
03:20:19,210 --> 03:20:23,970
We have an exhaustive list of conditions that Mr. Nanton has put forward.

2431
03:20:25,810 --> 03:20:29,070
Appreciate that they're all there.

2432
03:20:29,730 --> 03:20:32,870
Mr. Nanton, is there anything that isn't here that we should know about?

2433
03:20:34,290 --> 03:20:36,990
Is this the whole list and all the list?

2434
03:20:37,410 --> 03:20:39,530
This is the whole list and all of the list.

2435
03:20:39,690 --> 03:20:39,930
Okay.

2436
03:20:40,430 --> 03:20:41,350
Oh, okay.

2437
03:20:41,490 --> 03:20:42,030
Mr. Noseworthy.

2438
03:20:42,550 --> 03:20:42,810
Excellent.

2439
03:20:43,050 --> 03:20:43,130
Go.

2440
03:20:46,600 --> 03:20:48,660
Are you going to ask that something be added to the list?

2441
03:20:48,680 --> 03:20:49,460
No, I'm going to ask something.

2442
03:20:49,680 --> 03:20:51,560
This is the whole list and the whole list.

2443
03:20:51,640 --> 03:20:52,140
Nothing more.

2444
03:20:52,580 --> 03:20:53,700
I swear to God.

2445
03:20:54,020 --> 03:20:54,220
Robert?

2446
03:20:55,240 --> 03:20:55,720
So what do you need?

2447
03:20:55,800 --> 03:20:57,060
Ten minutes per point?

2448
03:20:57,360 --> 03:20:57,580
Yes.

2449
03:20:57,800 --> 03:20:58,340
No, sorry.

2450
03:20:58,480 --> 03:20:59,440
There's just two things.

2451
03:21:00,300 --> 03:21:05,320
In condition number six, it talks about 5% of the land included in the plan and it can

2452
03:21:05,320 --> 03:21:09,380
be for recreation purposes or cash in lieu of Parkland.

2453
03:21:10,000 --> 03:21:14,860
I have a very strong objective to create Parkland for our homeowners.

2454
03:21:17,840 --> 03:21:25,680
I'm on my fifth subdivision in North Granville and only one was able to twist the arm and

2455
03:21:25,680 --> 03:21:26,880
be able to get a park in there.

2456
03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:31,660
I want to get a park in there not pay the 5% because but that's just a personal objective

2457
03:21:31,660 --> 03:21:33,460
So I'm going to push hard on that

2458
03:21:34,960 --> 03:21:35,780
So you

2459
03:21:37,060 --> 03:21:39,260
That and then condition number 25

2460
03:21:39,260 --> 03:21:42,220
It talks about the owner agrees that a dry

2461
03:21:42,220 --> 03:21:51,100
Hydrant be installed into the existing stormwater management pond with connections for emergency fire services to the satisfaction of the municipality

2462
03:21:52,200 --> 03:21:55,960
I've never done that before I have no idea what that costs

2463
03:21:57,100 --> 03:22:02,140
I am a little concerned that we're adding a cost of a dry hydrant.

2464
03:22:02,880 --> 03:22:05,420
I mean, it could be $1,000 or it could be $20,000.

2465
03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:06,380
The number of the recommendation?

2466
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:07,160
25.

2467
03:22:07,780 --> 03:22:08,720
Condition number 25.

2468
03:22:09,360 --> 03:22:16,160
And I'm just, I'm just coming to the council saying that I'm kind of looking for permission

2469
03:22:16,160 --> 03:22:22,760
that I may negotiate with the director of planning and development that the cost of

2470
03:22:22,760 --> 03:22:25,520
the dry hydrant might be credited on my development chart.

2471
03:22:25,720 --> 03:22:26,120
That's all.

2472
03:22:26,120 --> 03:22:31,300
Mr. Nang, can you speak on that, like if this has never come up before, is this a new thing or what's what's going on?

2473
03:22:31,480 --> 03:22:49,840
No problem. So this condition was recommended to be included by the fire chief, John Ocomb, who suggested that there was a outstanding need for infrastructure like this for fire protection services.

2474
03:22:49,840 --> 03:22:56,100
identified the existing storm pond as an opportunity to put in a dry hydrant for

2475
03:22:56,100 --> 03:23:00,740
firefighting purposes and requested that this be included for consideration.

2476
03:23:01,100 --> 03:23:05,540
Is this the first time we've requested that or has that happened before? Mr.

2477
03:23:07,880 --> 03:23:08,440
Jard?

2478
03:23:15,570 --> 03:23:19,190
I totally understand that. That's not my question. My question is have we

2479
03:23:19,190 --> 03:23:24,150
asked developers to do this before? Is this a new thing going forward? Where did

2480
03:23:24,150 --> 03:23:24,590
this come from.

2481
03:23:53,600 --> 03:23:53,920
Thank you.

2482
03:23:56,810 --> 03:24:02,750
So going back to Kashin Liu, of course, that's an area where

2483
03:24:02,750 --> 03:24:10,470
we've spent a lot of time talking in the past. That's number six. So if you have a stated

2484
03:24:10,470 --> 03:24:21,850
want, intention, capacity to in fact, now we're talking about a development where people

2485
03:24:21,850 --> 03:24:24,890
will have quite a bit of land at their disposal, right?

2486
03:24:25,090 --> 03:24:26,350
They're building one acre lots?

2487
03:24:26,710 --> 03:24:28,170
Yeah, at least, yes, 1.7.

2488
03:24:28,610 --> 03:24:31,490
But you still see merit in a shared green space.

2489
03:24:32,010 --> 03:24:33,850
Well, yes, I do.

2490
03:24:35,130 --> 03:24:36,890
Near the pond, the stormwater pond

2491
03:24:36,890 --> 03:24:38,030
that we have in question right now.

2492
03:24:38,590 --> 03:24:40,170
Actually, that was my intention originally

2493
03:24:40,170 --> 03:24:41,070
in that subdivision.

2494
03:24:41,730 --> 03:24:44,810
And we actually, I built a track around that,

2495
03:24:44,970 --> 03:24:48,110
not dissimilar from the Forest Creek pond, a little wider.

2496
03:24:48,750 --> 03:24:50,990
And once we built that, I was told,

2497
03:24:50,990 --> 03:24:57,890
told, oh, now you have to put a fence around it. And I was like, why? And of course it was

2498
03:24:57,890 --> 03:25:02,890
explained to me why we needed it for safety reasons. Okay, fine. But I wouldn't have put

2499
03:25:02,890 --> 03:25:08,210
in the circular track or the walking track, I call it a dog path, around that pond.

2500
03:25:08,430 --> 03:25:08,810
For this one.

2501
03:25:09,090 --> 03:25:11,050
Yes, for phase one.

2502
03:25:11,470 --> 03:25:12,570
For phase one.

2503
03:25:12,750 --> 03:25:15,910
For phase one. So we put a fence around it and now nobody can access it.

2504
03:25:18,410 --> 03:25:20,810
So I'm

2505
03:25:20,810 --> 03:25:28,550
public spaces for people to come together and just to say hello and just walk. We have a number of

2506
03:25:28,550 --> 03:25:34,970
senior people that are on our subdivisions and they like to walk and being walking within the

2507
03:25:34,970 --> 03:25:41,210
subdivision is a safe environment and then also they want to sit down sometimes. So we'll provide

2508
03:25:41,210 --> 03:25:48,330
two park benches and just provide it on the edge of a pathway which comes off of between lock 21

2509
03:25:49,470 --> 03:25:52,170
19 and 20, I'm sorry, and a little strip.

2510
03:25:52,430 --> 03:25:53,690
So we'll create a little pathway,

2511
03:25:53,830 --> 03:25:55,310
rough in a pathway, take it down,

2512
03:25:55,450 --> 03:25:57,270
and then put some park benches looking

2513
03:25:57,270 --> 03:26:00,410
across the frost fence into the pond.

2514
03:26:00,750 --> 03:26:02,150
But it is what it is.

2515
03:26:03,330 --> 03:26:05,770
So they'll just have to take their glasses off

2516
03:26:05,770 --> 03:26:06,970
and imagine there's no fence.

2517
03:26:08,790 --> 03:26:11,270
So to that end, that is your stated goal.

2518
03:26:11,270 --> 03:26:12,190
That's my stated goal.

2519
03:26:12,410 --> 03:26:14,410
At the same time, I've been in this

2520
03:26:14,410 --> 03:26:16,430
and I'm asking permission to negotiate

2521
03:26:16,430 --> 03:26:20,690
with the Director of Planning and Development say could we put in the park instead of our

2522
03:26:20,690 --> 03:26:24,150
Contribute Park Land instead of the 5% of the Lue Cache.

2523
03:26:24,150 --> 03:26:28,370
So do we really need the provision for Cache and Lue if your state and intention and want

2524
03:26:28,370 --> 03:26:30,990
is for green space and the subdivision?

2525
03:26:32,070 --> 03:26:33,030
I'm not necessarily saying that.

2526
03:26:33,030 --> 03:26:36,790
I've been told about the costs that are involved when a new park is created and

2527
03:26:36,790 --> 03:26:37,590
I appreciate that.

2528
03:26:37,850 --> 03:26:43,510
It's a maintenance if you will from the municipality and I was told that was not by anybody

2529
03:26:43,510 --> 03:26:50,870
in this room. But I was told that that was not a desired objective. To have the

2530
03:26:50,870 --> 03:26:56,590
shared green space. To have a park space in a subdivision. I forced it in

2531
03:26:56,590 --> 03:27:03,230
Kempton Creek. It was just a strip of land. Yes, this strip of land. But I want to

2532
03:27:03,230 --> 03:27:06,430
do it. I want to do it next to the pond. There's a space behind beside the

2533
03:27:06,430 --> 03:27:10,670
pond that will allow us to come to the edge of Pelton Road. And that could

2534
03:27:10,670 --> 03:27:14,930
be, as far as I'm concerned, can be a park if we're allowed to do that.

2535
03:27:17,360 --> 03:27:18,460
But I'll negotiate that.

2536
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:28,240
And my interpretation of the language for Condition 6 is that up to 5% of the land is conveyed

2537
03:27:29,320 --> 03:27:33,100
of the land within the park to the municipality for the purposes of a park,

2538
03:27:33,280 --> 03:27:36,740
and that the option exists should that not be satisfied. The cash in lieu

2539
03:27:36,740 --> 03:27:41,040
an arrangement can be provided in lieu of.

2540
03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:42,980
So I think it's captured as is.

2541
03:27:43,420 --> 03:27:43,720
Right.

2542
03:27:43,920 --> 03:27:47,600
So we have a Parks, American Culture Plan, a draft plan,

2543
03:27:47,920 --> 03:27:51,200
where in fact there was a recommendation that the community,

2544
03:27:51,480 --> 03:27:55,740
the municipality needs to increase the amount of parkland

2545
03:27:55,740 --> 03:27:57,820
available to residents throughout the municipality.

2546
03:27:58,540 --> 03:28:00,780
So I guess I'm saying to staff, not to the developer,

2547
03:28:00,980 --> 03:28:04,740
that obviously it's important from our perspective that we seize

2548
03:28:04,740 --> 03:28:10,640
upon the opportunities, especially where we have a willing builder to give serious consideration

2549
03:28:10,640 --> 03:28:12,260
to the establishment of parks.

2550
03:28:12,460 --> 03:28:14,320
And I think they're equally relevant in rural areas.

2551
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:15,520
I don't disagree with you.

2552
03:28:16,040 --> 03:28:18,100
People want to get out of their houses and move around.

2553
03:28:18,980 --> 03:28:24,620
So I guess I have a strong appetite, given the Parks, Rec, and Culture draft plan,

2554
03:28:25,060 --> 03:28:27,820
to see viability if viability exists here.

2555
03:28:27,820 --> 03:28:34,660
So I guess with that in mind, while I recognize there's a cash and lieu clause here,

2556
03:28:34,920 --> 03:28:36,620
I don't think it's our preferred option.

2557
03:28:38,140 --> 03:28:39,080
Councillor Bargley.

2558
03:28:39,420 --> 03:28:43,980
The way I read it is that it's up to the municipality to require cash.

2559
03:28:44,660 --> 03:28:48,680
So I don't think that we have an appetite for not having parks.

2560
03:28:49,400 --> 03:28:49,940
You don't have an appetite.

2561
03:28:50,360 --> 03:28:55,620
The way I read it, alternatively, the municipality may require cash and lieu of parking.

2562
03:28:57,440 --> 03:28:58,380
Yeah, it's an alternative.

2563
03:28:59,700 --> 03:29:01,780
I would be loath to exercise that.

2564
03:29:02,220 --> 03:29:02,520
Indeed.

2565
03:29:02,980 --> 03:29:03,120
Indeed.

2566
03:29:03,700 --> 03:29:05,540
Though I think in the state and our municipality,

2567
03:29:05,760 --> 03:29:08,400
just because we haven't had the benefit of a parks parking culture plan,

2568
03:29:08,700 --> 03:29:11,460
sometimes is to take the cash and not build the park, right?

2569
03:29:11,600 --> 03:29:13,680
So I think, I don't think they're equal options.

2570
03:29:13,880 --> 03:29:16,760
So from my perspective, just speaking as mayor at this moment,

2571
03:29:17,400 --> 03:29:19,560
I don't believe that they're equal options.

2572
03:29:19,680 --> 03:29:20,700
It's not 50-50 for me.

2573
03:29:20,740 --> 03:29:22,780
I think we should work really hard to get the green space,

2574
03:29:22,780 --> 03:29:24,820
and cash in lieu was your last resort,

2575
03:29:25,500 --> 03:29:27,760
not just the equal alternative, right?

2576
03:29:27,880 --> 03:29:29,600
And I understand that you didn't write the language

2577
03:29:29,600 --> 03:29:33,480
or the barely boilerplate language doesn't really reflect

2578
03:29:33,480 --> 03:29:36,280
the spirit of the dialogue that you've had with the developer.

2579
03:29:36,640 --> 03:29:38,980
So I'm making a larger point here, right?

2580
03:29:39,800 --> 03:29:43,660
No critique on the specificity of the words right here right now.

2581
03:29:44,040 --> 03:29:48,060
But I want to state on my behalf and I think on the behalf

2582
03:29:48,060 --> 03:29:51,980
of some other council members that we have a health

2583
03:29:51,980 --> 03:29:52,960
and wellness committee.

2584
03:29:53,300 --> 03:29:55,040
We have a Perks Rec and Culture Plan.

2585
03:29:55,640 --> 03:29:58,060
We recognize that two-thirds of our residents are rural,

2586
03:29:58,940 --> 03:29:59,980
but there are.

2587
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:04,860
Their physical activity and the capacity to meet and convene with neighbors informally is

2588
03:30:04,860 --> 03:30:10,120
huge. It's all about social cohesion and health and wellness. So let's hope we can make it happen.

2589
03:30:11,580 --> 03:30:15,940
Okay. Anything else, council colleagues, in terms of the conditions? We've heard from

2590
03:30:16,520 --> 03:30:20,180
Builder. We've heard from staff. Is there anything else we want to address this evening?

2591
03:30:21,900 --> 03:30:24,320
Just put a word in for public art and murals.

2592
03:30:27,360 --> 03:30:30,100
Mr. Noseworthy, is that we

2593
03:30:32,600 --> 03:30:36,320
can dedicate the side of one house to a public mural?

2594
03:30:37,020 --> 03:30:37,420
There we go.

2595
03:30:37,780 --> 03:30:41,080
You can be cutting edge in your world development.

2596
03:30:46,650 --> 03:30:48,170
I want a statue of you and a horse.

2597
03:30:53,620 --> 03:30:54,220
Okay.

2598
03:30:54,720 --> 03:30:59,740
The only other question I have, and I know we've had this conversation over and over

2599
03:30:59,740 --> 03:31:02,580
and over again, is geothermal.

2600
03:31:02,580 --> 03:31:08,680
So we just have no capacity to accommodate geothermal in this municipality, even in rural

2601
03:31:08,680 --> 03:31:09,080
pockets.

2602
03:31:14,620 --> 03:31:16,480
The horizontal ones are viable.

2603
03:31:18,160 --> 03:31:19,200
Indeed, I understand that.

2604
03:31:19,520 --> 03:31:21,120
The horizontal ones are viable.

2605
03:31:21,360 --> 03:31:25,020
In this draft agreement, they're here as a viable option.

2606
03:31:25,140 --> 03:31:25,540
Is that correct?

2607
03:31:26,720 --> 03:31:29,060
And Mr. Nonesworthy, do you plan to use that?

2608
03:31:31,550 --> 03:31:31,890
No.

2609
03:31:32,810 --> 03:31:35,370
And that's because you'll have to come to the mic, sorry, I apologize.

2610
03:31:37,600 --> 03:31:39,940
You must be exhausted. This is the last question.

2611
03:31:40,840 --> 03:31:43,240
I need the exercise. My doctor says that's good.

2612
03:31:46,780 --> 03:31:54,380
So I understand we could not go vertically because of affecting the water and the possible aquifer, right?

2613
03:31:54,760 --> 03:31:55,560
So we don't want to touch that.

2614
03:31:55,940 --> 03:32:02,260
The horizontal, so we didn't explore. We use air source heat pumps.

2615
03:32:02,260 --> 03:32:08,800
So it's a different technology, but it's energy star rated, and it works quite well.

2616
03:32:09,640 --> 03:32:14,380
I will, it's more. It's more money, but so are my homes, I guess.

2617
03:32:15,620 --> 03:32:17,420
But the quality is built in.

2618
03:32:17,740 --> 03:32:23,320
So homeowners there have a fairly energy efficient heating option, heating and cooling option.

2619
03:32:23,380 --> 03:32:28,280
They actually, yes, it's a combined unit. It's a heating, a furnace, and the air conditioning unit are in one unit.

2620
03:32:28,280 --> 03:32:35,640
So you have a savings there, but it also has to do with the efficiency of the air source and the way that it circulates air

2621
03:32:35,640 --> 03:32:41,700
And it's actually energy efficient to minus 12 degrees after that. It's just the furnace. Good stuff. Okay

2622
03:32:43,440 --> 03:32:48,300
Okay, I know we do field questions around geothermal. So that's helpful. Okay

2623
03:32:49,420 --> 03:32:55,900
And a traffic impact statement is something that you're obviously prepared to do as part of the phase development. Don't get up

2624
03:32:58,160 --> 03:33:03,880
Indeed. Okay, good. Okay, council colleagues, I'm going to look for a mover.

2625
03:33:05,160 --> 03:33:11,760
Thank you. Soon we'll have to pass an extension to the curfew and no one wants that. A seconder, please.

2626
03:33:14,100 --> 03:33:18,580
That's good. We have to draw a hard line. I support you. I won't even look for a mover.

2627
03:33:18,580 --> 03:33:25,740
Okay, so as moved by Councillor O'Sullivan and seconded by Councillor McMahonaman,

2628
03:33:26,580 --> 03:33:31,840
we have the be it resolved that the Committee of the Whole recommends to council that the following conditions be

2629
03:33:31,840 --> 03:33:38,940
recommended to the United Counties of Leeds and Grenville as conditions of draft approval for the Pelton's Corners Plan of Subdivision,

2630
03:33:39,680 --> 03:33:43,980
file number 017-19001.

2631
03:33:43,980 --> 03:33:47,840
Council recommends approval of the proposed draft plan of subdivision

2632
03:33:47,840 --> 03:33:50,760
Pilton's Corners Phase 2 to the United Counties of Leeds and Grenville

2633
03:33:50,760 --> 03:33:54,220
subject to the following conditions and now I'll start reading.

2634
03:33:54,600 --> 03:33:54,980
I'm joking.

2635
03:33:55,880 --> 03:33:58,640
So we've got them before us council colleagues.

2636
03:33:58,780 --> 03:34:08,320
I think you've all looked at the stated 31 conditions and we trust that the

2637
03:34:08,320 --> 03:34:12,720
builder and the planning department will exercise their due diligence and

2638
03:34:12,720 --> 03:34:17,020
and ensure that the conditions are fulfilled and I look forward to a report on a PERC.

2639
03:34:18,000 --> 03:34:21,800
With that in mind, any final thoughts before I call the question?

2640
03:34:22,700 --> 03:34:29,160
Seeing none, I'll call the question. All in favor? Good. Any dissents? I see none.

2641
03:34:30,000 --> 03:34:33,420
That is carried. Thank you for your patience, Mr. Knowsworthy.

2642
03:34:35,420 --> 03:34:38,320
And do I have the pleasure of adjourning the meeting, Mr. Palmerville?

2643
03:34:39,020 --> 03:34:39,920
The meeting is adjourned.