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All right, now the mics are hot.
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» All right, so the history of of the
collaboration before we dive in on the

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work, Rebecca, do you want to share what
made you sort of approach CCPM and what

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you were hoping to gain out of the
initial last year or so of the

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engagement? Yeah. So, when I uh began um
in this position, it was October of

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2024, there were some concerns that came
up almost immediately. Um and through

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those concerns, trying to find the best
route for it. Well, one of the things

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that I learned through talking with
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Jill um was that there really are no
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in place for the clinic.
Those are key. So when you have in 10

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years you have different employees, 15
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can come in, see those policies, those
procedures, those SOPs and know exactly

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what needs to be followed. um and we
didn't have it and I to be honest with

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you I don't know how to even begin that
process with a medical clinic. I don't

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have a medical background. So I was
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the medical clinic in Rangely it's a
small small community uh small medical

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clinic um had actually used Dr. Busco
services ACPM to help with strategic

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planning there. So I reached out to Dr.
Busco, got some information. Um, he

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actually came into a meeting with the
select board. Um, and you guys can go

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into like the history of you guys and
other communities, but we learned that

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they have worked with other like island
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besides strangely. So we entered into
kind of like a phased contract, you

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know. So, we I think the first one we
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and that was kind of um like
interprofessional relationships looking

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at what policies procedures we need um
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» and then Rebecca do you want me to speak
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had so that first time not the first one
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things you want me to highlight some of
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meeting that drove us to the why. Okay.
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before, doc so after that right um Dr.
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who's also a family physician, medical
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site, met with many of you, um,
individually, separately, and in small

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groups, um, [clears throat] based on
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key areas of questions that folks had
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helpful in. And some of those were
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you know how does it go up the chain
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the decision makers there were some
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look at the organizational chart which I
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conversation about that since then um
and who should be involved in those

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decisions um standardizing communication
pathways um you know from staff to

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leadership to the select board medical
services providers. Um and um wanting to

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talk through you know what is the role
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development of um of uh you know sort of
the boundaries the guard rails of

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decision- making. So everything under
decision-m that was one piece. The other

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ones and Rebecca you already mentioned
them were just the development of some

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clinical operational outcomes right like
how do we know we're providing the best

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care to our patients? How you know and
to our community right what does that

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look like? How do we measure that? A lot
of that is based on data do you have

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access to the data? Um and working
through and finding that those things

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would be of value. Community needs
assessment was another piece like you

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know you guys are all doing great work
but is it meeting the need and wanting

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to know more from your community members
on is it um you know in the more

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operational weed side of the house it
was about you know developing processes

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for managing supply and medication
utilization like how are we tracking

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that to ensure patient safety clinic
safety billing structure are you guys um

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um you know do you have systems in place
to ensure right from from a revenue

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perspective that you can can can
sustain. Um is there missed opportunity

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for billing? Maybe there is, maybe there
isn't, but taking an opportunity to look

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under the hood and see if there is. Um
looking at, you know, how we're

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panalyzing patients. And I know, you
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unique structure you have with your
providers on and off and and such. Um

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identified opportunities for um things
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vulnerabilities?
um how can we best support our our

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patients, our community as well as our
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right? Like not so over structured that
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some consistency to Rebecca's point
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changing um you know bi-weekly or you
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providers or new um support staff. What
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my global sense walking away from that
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there was somebody, god forbid,
something happened um in the clinic that

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somebody could come in and fill in and
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way. So having some structure um around
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refilled, you know, those sort of um
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facing things. Rebecca, did I capture
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» Yes. No, absolutely. Can I just pause
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in and can you I hit let her join and
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she needs to try again.
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» Sorry to interrupt you on that.
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I'll just So, we we had that meeting and
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through some of the challenges um you
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from there um sort of outlined a a
process, right? a process for saying and

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the first thing that we did is myself
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Jill and said, "Okay, here's sort of we
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not not taking into account just if
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No matter where you're running it, what
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in place, right? To make sure that
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meeting regulations, all those types of
things." And that list was sent to Jill

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and Rebecca to say, where are there
gaps? Right? Like, do you have a policy

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like this? Do you like it? Do you not
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updated? Do you not have anything um
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foundational basic level operating from
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then we started and we created that list
that you all you know the team went

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through it on the North Haven side and
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we need these right so we established
those sent them off to the team at North

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Haven to take a look at what do you
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we're kind of paused at that point right
now we're still in the midst of that

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work then um as a result of all that
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conversation came about around strategic
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it's one piece of a bigger pie um and
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all of this work and and if I'm speaking
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me honest uh there was agreement that
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formalize that and engage the the
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Haven the board individual staff and
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that um seemed like the next approach.
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procedures, so they had a spreadsheet
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communities just like, okay, these are
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communities or other claims have. Which
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have? Um on some of them, they had
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obviously we haven't had a meeting yet
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you know and then move forward at some
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strategic planning would be going over
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as a team and and identifying what works
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want to elaborate on that.
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have called that out more specifically.
Rebecca, thank you for that. But yeah,

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so that's sort of where we landed. Um,
and if it's okay, I can speak to one of

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the questions that you had about, you
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Rebecca talked a little bit about the
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organizations all over the state of
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community hospitals, so in rural areas,
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that are of your size or um, maybe just
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perspective. Um, probably a good example
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work with Vinyl Haven. Vinyl Haven is a
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we're familiar and I know you're
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culture is a little bit different
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island, right, and the challenges um
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make you exceptional in the way that you
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with that legitimately with another
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mainland some other small um FQC's that
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that they do, you know, work in rural
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and and deal with just about a little
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that's makes them very special, unique,
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standard primary care practice that that
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right, when you think about a mainland
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from that perspective and one of the
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talk to any one of our members um about
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with organizations in greater Portland
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culture and their community is very
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are acutely aware and modify engagement
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then we move up to Fish River, right? um
a very small rural community and their

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needs and their culture and their areas
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importantly patients. We're all humans,
right? But we're different needs living

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in different communities. So, we have a
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organizations in this way um and are
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needs of those communities.
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were hoping to hear.
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Vinyl Haven's a member or you have other
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plan or
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describe She does a much better job
describing it. So, I'm going to tee it

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off to her and in describing sort of
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» Yeah. Um, that's a really good question.
Uh so we have 22 organizations across

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Maine, 17 that are federally qualified
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community or critical access hospitals
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called valuebased payment arrangements.
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fee for service agreements that um
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companies, they are basically if you
maintain high quality and you save money

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against a cost benchmark, you can be
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delivering high value care. So we do
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And to be successful in delivering that
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are ways that we partner with each of
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CCPM to make sure that they're
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we're successful as a whole in um
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» Okay. Sorry, I didn't really get that.
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difference between a membership and what
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would be doing as a contracted strategic
lending service. Is that true?

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» And a membership,
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organization or how what what is the
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» But what's the thing about value and I
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» Sure. Um so you know like the fee for
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you know, you do an office visit, you
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a different type of contract structure.
it doesn't affect that but it's um if a

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member organization of CCPM
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incentivizes you know a certain
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or etc. We have these quality value
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the fee for service that we manage for
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point, she's spot on. We do a lot of the
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is being a member um does that include
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workshops and things of that nature or
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platforms when it comes to billing and
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that we could talk through and then um
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out of it. So you would um pay into
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it's you know $7 per patient that's in
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revenue from participating in the
contracts that well exceeds what you pay

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in. And then there are some benefits
like you know light strategic planning

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engagements, policy and procedure review
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consultative engagement a member would
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But one of the things that was
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process is does North Haven need an acco
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need one or if it would benefit North
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organization would be the best acco
would that is actually going to be part

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of the strategic planning and what does
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a way of collecting group data.
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sure that everybody has gotten their
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triggers kind of thing. Some of those
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» Yeah. You know the struggle here is
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on an urgent care basis
>> than as primary care and that's

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especially true in the summit,
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true with pediatrics. and it, you know,
so that we see them when they're sick

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and when they need immediate health
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tracking the mammograms, colonoscopies,
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someplace else. So an acco is
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scheduling those routine
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our electronic health system does that
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people who are not we're not primary
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they're due for their annual physical
they're due for [laughter] and and

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that's going out currently within our
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» reminders too
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Adam and they send me one every month.
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>> which makes this difficult to size into

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those kinds of programs. I'm not saying
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» well who who might I mean you just sort
of talking all this out to understand

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some of this language but
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pursue um becoming an acco or a member
of acco phrase that

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» um who at the clinic would be the one
receiving these um notifications about

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patients within the system to then
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» I think that that's something still to
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would have been something that could
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manager's thing, but it could also fall
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discussed in during the the the process
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pushing towards more you know we created
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pretty much it's from birth to death is
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people on the island. So trying to meet
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may again this would need to be talked
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that's where you would determine, okay,
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vision. Would an acco
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variety of benefits of membership,
right? and and you know to Rebecca's

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point certainly us engaging with you in
this way on strategic planning is no way

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um you know forcing your hand to explore
CCPM as an acco's

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point that you know you have your you
have other options and so I would never

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want you any of you to walk away feeling
like this this in level of engagement or

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or our offer and assistance in this way
is is sort of solidifying

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you'd be tied to decide to be one part
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relationship is really just about our
mission and vision at CCPM outside of

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our membership as well as inside of our
membership is to assist you know our our

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communities no matter where you are in
the state of Maine um in in having what

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you need and be it being sustainable
meeting the needs of the community and

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in any way that we can support that is
what we like to do and that's sort of

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where why we're here today. So, I just
want to be clear and we could certainly

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um we'd be happy at at your leisure and
at your invite to talk to you about what

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it looks like, feels like to be an acco
and we would encourage you to do that

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with other ACOs, right? To make sure you
had the made the right decision. But um

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I think Rebecca you would agree that
we've talked about this before with both

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the providers to say there's some
foundational things right that you would

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need to have to your question earlier
about who would even manage that on our

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side like those are things that you
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um or you know with the support of
whichever acco to determine whether or

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not you would be um if it would be
timely um and and meet the needs of

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whatever acco O as well as as North
Haven. So this work is seen as a little

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bit separate. Although I can see how
it's confusing because we're an acco.

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Um but just want to be clear that you're
not, you know, you're not making any

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promises to CCPM and and being part of a
membership with us by engaging in this

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way. I just want to make sure that was
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» Okay. I just the reason I asked was just
because you said Vinyl Haven was a

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member and I just was trying to
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» No, it was a great question.
>> I think I got it. So

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» I do have a question for you. You had
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a certain number of your members were
rural health clinics and another group

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were rural access hospitals. How many
people do you work with that are neither

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nor a federally qualified health clinic?
I mean, how many independent

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small clinics do you work with?
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that they're not part of a bigger health
system. So they're independent even

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though they're FDA. I get that. So yeah,
they're Yeah.

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» As part of federally qualified health
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they're tied into the federal health
system, which is not something we are

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because we're part of the catchment area
for vinyl haven. And so that that puts

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us in a different place.
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that is none. We work with community
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center and whatever way wherever that is
those those elements are similar. The

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funding sources and things of that
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a critical access hospital independent
or whatever. But I just wanted to make

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sure that you knew that none of our all
of them have they're they're not part of

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a bigger health system.
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» I have a question just because before I
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myself being have no medical background
looking at other municipally owned

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medical clinics or clinics like like
ours. I couldn't find any.

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» They don't [clears throat] exist.
>> Very few. Yeah. If any

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» are other ones in May.

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I think the closest one I found was
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» Yeah. This is very very unique.
>> So it's not Okay.

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» Yeah. Yep.
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that's the case Rebecca. Yep. They're
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FQC's RHC's which are usually attached
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their primary care practices affiliated
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» All right. And I'll just speak very
briefly to um Kim and I are sort of the

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yin and the yang. She's a nurse as she
said. She's really um experienced in

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advising on clinical operations. And
then my role is more traditional

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operations. So HR, finance, um reporting
structure and board governance,

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strategic planning. That's really where
I tend to focus when I work with um

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health centers. So, um, my work to date
with, uh, with Rebecca and other members

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of the team has been really
understanding,

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um, how the, uh, select board interacts
with the medical services board, how the

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clinic staff interact with each other in
terms of the organizational chart and

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really documenting that in a governance
policy. That was one of the first things

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that we did together just to really get
the lay of the land and to document how

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things were working on paper. um as well
as taking a look at and and doing some

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modifications and tweaking on some of
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uh as well as doing some initial policy
and procedure review as Kim said based

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on uh where the biggest opportunities or
gaps were um to Rebecca's point. So

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that's been my engagement to date. I do
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including with CCPM on setting you know
what's the strategic vision for an

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organization and more importantly what
are the systems to track against those

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things right because it's easy to set a
mission and a vision but how do you

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execute against that how do you monitor
against it how do you keep your board

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apprised on progress or things that are
coming up as barriers and so I've done a

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lot of work with organizations and I
would be happy to you know give you a

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couple of names names to to to um
discuss their experience. But that is

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sort of my lane in the engagement and
Kim is really skilled on the clinical

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side. Any questions or additional
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collaboration so far?

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process um with you guys and the North A
medical clinic is do you feel like the

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work that took place in the first phase
um was embraced by all the people who

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were involved in that process and it's
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North Haven um strategic planning
members between the clinic board and

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community and medical services board and
you folks to move on to phase two or or

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do you envision um having to sort of
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initial work that took that took place.

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Um, I feel like, and Rebecca, keep me
honest, and I don't I don't know if I

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don't think Jill is in the room, but to
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engagement. Um, I don't feel like
there's been um there's been full

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deployment, right, of of, you know, we
we've we've kind of gotten um we're more

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in the let's figure out the direction
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that we haven't done anything
meaningful, but um, as far as like final

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policies and procedures getting approved
or the implementation of those and

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things of that nature, I I would say no.
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that I've interfaced with that there has
been engagement. Um, and there's an

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openness and acceptance to to moving on
to the next phase. So, and I but I

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that's my own interpretation. uh open to
hear what Rebecca and Mary and and

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others that have been involved in that
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» for Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Go ahead, Mary.

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» No, you got it. I'll follow you.
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Amelia was a part of of some and
Lorraine, but um

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I felt like at first there, you know,
there was just that trust. um what are

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we who are these people? What are they
doing? Are they going to come in here

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and try to change everything? And um I
know the first couple meetings that you

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were involved in, I mean, you were very
engaged. Um and uh I I saw a lot of

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positive feedback and a lot of positive
come from it. And you know, the way that

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the meeting was directed um
just there there was some conflict

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resolution going on. There was some
fantastic ideas. they was thinking

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outside of the box. Um, so I definitely
saw the benefits of having having the

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outside agency help lead a an amazing
team of people that were are from North

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David um to where there those things
aren't in place currently. Um I don't

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know if Familia has the same thing or
Lorraine or

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» I mean I yeah I was a part of um two
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just there to observe
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that felt like really the focus of
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of those entities. I think you know it
it did seem to me like it was

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we are going we are we are gathering
information from sort of these key

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people and going to come up with you
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the flow system. Um,
and I I mean, and this is just my own

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personal feelings about that,
I think with that

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organizational chart being presented
then to everyone,

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there were some
people, you know, that seemed like, huh,

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that's maybe not what I would have
thought that organization looked like.

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meetings where you're having people that

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are the leaders or the you know whatever
that are sort of speaking on behalf and

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I think in a really you know they are
they're trying their best to to provide

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information based on a group of people
but I I think then it is hard with the

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outcomes of those things like the
organizational chart to have it feel

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representative of everyone. And so that
is always a struggle. Um, and I think

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why in something like strategic
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presenting things as sort of drafts for
people to look at and provide feedback

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for, I think, will go a long way. And
not to say that wasn't, but I think to

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your point, Kenny,
I think that there it is hard

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representing everyone in every meeting.
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seemed like there was great
conversation.

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People seemed open and honest. I think
it was productive and I think

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working
and revising and really trying to have

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everybody feel good about it is going to
take a long time. I think yeah with with

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anything I think that's going to take
time and I know like in conversations

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that I've had with Jacqueline I I think
you were when we have our bi-weekly

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meetings is you know expanding the group
I mean keeping it within reason but

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expanding it um to include more people
like uh Sue um Barrett like having her

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be a part of it and then there is um
LCSW that comes out to the island and

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she's said we spoke to her and she would
love to be a part of it and you know

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we've spoke to there's Gabby trying to
get back in um we spoke to Gabby she

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would love to be a part of it I know she
has some background so just expanding

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the group to have more well-rounded
input

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» well and having
a continuous flow of updates instead of

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having a meeting here and several months
later all of a sudden there's this

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product and it's like
>> how do we get here right and I think

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» I think that's the key point like yeah
consistent

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» for this board making ultimate decisions
on behalf of a larger board of

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stakeholders and being able to like sort
of keep up and understand everything

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that's taking place as the process is
going rather than trying to weed through

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all of the documents like months later
is going to be key for any you know

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strategic planning process moving
forward. For sure

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» we definitely I mean I would love to
have at least two representatives from

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the select board there.
>> I know Jacqueline is too.

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» Yeah, I think actually Jacqueline said
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[clears throat]
>> The medical services board. How is that

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involved?
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medical services board that were a part
of it. One person is no longer on the

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committee. um I had reached out because
of um Gary's background to see if she

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would take that place and she has agreed
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» but we don't want to get into having
because then they have to post it as

410
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,320
meetings. So, having like two
representatives from each one of the

411
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,679
committees so we're not posting medical
services board meeting and select board

412
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,399
meetings and so having the two
>> fine but I think having a continuous

413
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,760
trail of what's going on would be a
helpful thing. I think what we could do

414
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:31,039
is
the followup of a meeting to just have

415
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:34,880
that be part of a presentation, you
know, like an update under update,

416
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:39,440
whatever old business. Yeah.
>> Just a out of the meeting and go, what

417
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:42,720
did you talk about? Was there anything?
Hey,

418
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:46,399
» great. just to keep and if the medical
services board can do that and if

419
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:51,200
there's if if it's everybody in the
clinic or representative you know just

420
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:55,519
making sure that that information gets
disseminated as it is going rather than

421
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:59,360
right
>> how many people are on the medical

422
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:05,519
service
>> can we um just because of time it's uh

423
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:12,240
3:44 and we have start a regular meeting
is go over schedule a

424
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:16,000
» yes of course um do would you rather
look at it um and I'm glad that

425
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:19,760
organically in conversation we talked
about participation in governance I

426
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:24,240
think we got our answers which are a
couple other people um that whose voices

427
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:28,879
need to be included so that was helpful
and then I heard for governance that you

428
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:34,720
want at least some sort of monthly
update written on any substantive work

429
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:38,000
that's occurring as part of the
strategic planning did I hear that

430
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:43,679
correctly
>> yeah I Yes. Yeah, for sure. I think it

431
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:49,200
is going to be key for the board's
general understanding. I mean, you got a

432
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:55,280
board of farmers and, you know, little
builder, you know, so takes us a little

433
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,280
time to really we
>> totally

434
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,240
» Charlie, you want to use mine?
>> Almost there.

435
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,280
» I think we're getting there.
>> All right.

436
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:12,480
» Is that it?
>> Great. So in terms of the actual work I

437
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:18,560
think it's best described into really
four phases. So the first phase of the

438
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:23,119
work is development of the strategic
pillars and the framework for the

439
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:28,320
organization. So through engaging
various stakeholders facilitating

440
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:34,480
meetings we'll come away with some key
learnings. We'll synthesize them and

441
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:39,680
we'll document what we heard as the
priorities for the clinic. um some of

442
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:45,920
the opportunities and some of the
constraints. Um and so some of the

443
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:52,720
deliverables that we envision coming out
of that first phase would be um we do a

444
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:57,440
substantive review of any existing work
product or materials that you feel may

445
00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:02,560
be relevant to the strategic planning.
We'll engage in that series of

446
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:08,800
stakeholder meetings. um facilitate
those discussions and you will get a

447
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:13,520
written um set of strategic pillars. Um
and then under each of those pillars an

448
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:20,320
identification of what are the nearer
term and longer term priorities under

449
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,880
each pillar for the um for the clinic.
>> Yeah.

450
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:27,440
» Any questions on that work?
>> Yeah, I'm I'm just curious. So um if it

451
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:34,800
sounds like we're going to go through
this um each step. So there's steps one

452
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:40,960
through four I believe. Yes. So um just
to just to make it easy for an

453
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:49,599
understanding of a rough timeline for
this sort of word, say this process were

454
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:58,079
to begin January 1st. Um what what kind
of timeline does CCPM anticipate or

455
00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:04,079
would be um expected for part one of
this uh strategic planning phase um

456
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,200
like
>> yeah that's

457
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:12,800
» it could get I mean I'm assuming that
that through a process like this um with

458
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,560
trying to get everybody together and an
outside entity such as yourself and then

459
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:21,280
getting everyone on island together for
these meetings that a that a process

460
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:28,400
like this could take years. Strategic
planning processes can take years. Um

461
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:33,760
and so I just was curious not to hold
you to a specific timeline, but what is

462
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:39,280
your anticipated timeline for for number
step one in this particular phase?

463
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:44,800
» Yeah, that's a totally fair question. I
think depending on how many people you

464
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:49,920
want to engage in the strategic planning
meetings, we would probably try to have

465
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,200
the the meetings themselves occur over a
period of no more than six to eight

466
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,680
weeks just so we can gather all the
information, have it fresh and do that

467
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:02,960
initial engagement of the key
stakeholders and it would take us

468
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:08,160
probably a couple of weeks to digest it.
Right? So that gets us out to you know 8

469
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:12,880
to 10 weeks concurrently. we would do
that substantive review of anything that

470
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:19,599
you provided to us for existing material
to review. So that takes us to you know

471
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:24,240
8 to 12 weeks for that first um portion.
Um I would say like just give it a

472
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,920
little bit of a buffer. I would say 12
weeks for phase one.

473
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:33,760
» Okay.
>> Does that sound reasonable to you all?

474
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:37,119
» Yeah. I mean to me that Yeah. Three
months.

475
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:40,880
» Three. I mean two months like up to two
months about a month of consolidating

476
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:46,160
the information.
>> My question was going to be how you know

477
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:53,920
is there a set number of meetings that
you usually shoot for or

478
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:59,839
is is that dependent upon
each individual contract.

479
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,880
» It's dependent on the composition of who
you want like who you consider to be

480
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:10,720
representative of your stakeholders. um
their schedules and how the meetings go.

481
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:16,079
I would say we would only need to speak
to each group one to three times

482
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,640
depending on how much time they have per
session. Kim was you looked like you

483
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,520
wanted to add something.
>> Oh, no. I'm just No, just listening. No,

484
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,400
nothing.
>> Okay.

485
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,400
» No, you're good.

486
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:34,480
» Minor point. Um on the paper that I have
it, it has two different numbers.

487
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:40,640
» Yes. One says that that space phase one
costs $8,500 and at the bottom it's

488
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:45,160
» sorry about that. It should say 85 on
both spots. I apologize for that.

489
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:53,280
» Okay. So
potentially I mean I'm just one I'm just

490
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:58,480
wondering
if

491
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:04,079
we you know gather if if we say this is
the group of people that we would like

492
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:10,320
we feel are representative um you know
and we and everybody schedules a line

493
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:16,480
everybody's able to meet one time
>> in

494
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:20,800
» a longer meeting. Yeah. And just I mean
>> that's my personal preference. I think

495
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:25,280
once you get into this stuff
>> I I my personal preference in doing

496
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,560
strategic planning facilitation is you
need

497
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,560
» at least a couple of hours rather than
like a bunch of chopped up meetings. So

498
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:37,599
that would be my ideal but we are
willing to work with the availability of

499
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,560
the representatives you have. But I
think

500
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,960
» it's more it's it's more helpful for us
and I think it's um ideal for the people

501
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,960
participating to have it be one longer
session.

502
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,680
» Okay.

503
00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:01,119
» Any other questions on that first phase?
>> I don't think so.

504
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:06,160
» Okay.
>> All right. So once the first phase is

505
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:11,200
completed then it's really a matter of
moving from you know like what are the

506
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:16,079
top priorities and strategic pillars of
the organization to what are the

507
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:21,520
specific projects and initiatives that
act in service to each of those pillars.

508
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:26,640
So there's been some initial discussion
Rebecca about you know wanting to do

509
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:32,319
some some more collaboration with an AMS
agency. So maybe maybe the pillar is

510
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,079
collaborating with organizations to
expand access to services for the

511
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:42,079
community, right? And then one of the
projects under that is collaboration

512
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:46,640
with an EMS agency. So that's just an
example of like how it could flow from a

513
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:51,839
pillar to a project or an initiative. So
we would spend the next two to three

514
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:56,000
months. I would say if you if you want
to give it a year, I would say each of

515
00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:01,520
these phases represents about a quarter
worth of work to say what do we want to

516
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,839
pick for um projects or initiatives
under each pillar. Um and I would do

517
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:10,319
some lowhanging fruit ones to get
momentum and then what is the longer

518
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,079
term strategic vision for the island and
for the organization that we can't do

519
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,680
right off the bat, but we want to
strategically incrementally build

520
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,880
capacity to be able to achieve these
longer term goals. So you'd get by the

521
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,480
end of phase 2 a structured set of what
what are our projects under each of

522
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,240
these pillars. What's the lowhanging
fruit that we can do right now with the

523
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,359
people we have with the resources we
have and then what is our longer term

524
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,920
vision and what do we need to build
towards that um how we're going to

525
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:42,640
sequence and prioritize them right
intuitively and then what does success

526
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,920
look like for each of those projects in
an initiative. So not just saying that

527
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,040
we're going to collaborate with EMS but
what does that look like? How are we

528
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,520
going to define it? How are we going to
measure it? Who's going to be

529
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:57,920
responsible and accountable for that? Um
that is really what phase two look like

530
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:02,640
looks like. And then I think that last
bullet in the contract under that

531
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:10,640
section is really important. So it's
guiding what is reasonable and feasible

532
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:14,839
based on the organizational capacity
um and setting the goals accordingly.

533
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,319
Which one was that? That last bullet you
were talking about.

534
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:30,160
» The last bullet under in the schedule A
that says the consultative support and

535
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:34,240
aligning initiatives with organizational
capacity and governance needs.

536
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:40,960
» So making sure whatever you pick is sort
of right sized to the clinic and the

537
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:46,960
staff and and what you have. Right.
>> Any questions on that second phase?

538
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:51,680
I don't think so.
>> Okay.

539
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Um, phase three is is probably my
personal favorite. [laughter]

540
00:43:53,839 --> 00:44:02,319
Um, this is where you um really
formalize and and frame out what does

541
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:08,720
reporting to the select board look like
um for this type of work. So, how what's

542
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:12,560
the format? How are we going to do it?
Do you want to see it, you know,

543
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:17,440
dashboard every time? Do you want a more
narrative update? Like what does that

544
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:22,560
look like? Um, and how are you going to
surface, progress, barriers, decisions

545
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:27,520
that need to be made? Basically, how
does the governance of the clinic um

546
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,920
interact with the select board? That'll
be phase three.

547
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:39,440
So with each
or are there any of these phases where

548
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:46,480
there is where it is just on your end
and there's sort of not meetings or not

549
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:52,079
back and forth
with stakeholders.

550
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:58,319
Um, phases one and two will be very
involved between us and you, right? That

551
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:04,079
that is um, but phase three, it'll be
probably mostly me and Rebecca

552
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:08,079
» to be honest to surface a draft and then
>> to your point, it's not final. It's just

553
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,160
like, hey, what do you think of this? Do
you hate it? Like, is it on target? But

554
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:17,119
I think a lot of the offline work will
be me putting something together, having

555
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,480
um Rebecca be my sounding board for like
is this way off base or is it close to

556
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:25,839
what you think they might want and then
bringing it to you all. So that will be

557
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:29,520
mostly us but some of you guys. And then
phase four it really phase four is

558
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,800
really ongoing but it'll be the heaviest
towards the end because once you have

559
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,240
your projects once you know how you're
going to define whether or not they're

560
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:43,920
successful it's doing that operational
work to um do the policy and procedure

561
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:47,359
review set the workflows test how it's
working. So it'll be that'll kind of be

562
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:51,920
interspersed throughout, but it'll be
most concentrated at the end once you've

563
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:56,480
established, you know, what the
initiatives are.

564
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:01,520
» So that will be check in. Everything's
established. Everything's supposed to be

565
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:06,880
sort of, you know, in working order. And
number four will be continued support

566
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:12,560
check-ins, making sure things are
working the way that they're intended.

567
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:18,800
» Exactly.
>> So [clears throat] that would be

568
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:24,880
And so then time for time for revision.
You know if things are not working the

569
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:32,240
way that you know maybe they could or
want to be or should be

570
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:37,839
in this in this you know fee. Does that
include revising?

571
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:42,160
» Yes.
>> Okay.

572
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:49,280
So, [clears throat] so to uh Amelia's
point um about the way this is laid out,

573
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:55,440
so community uh input through the
stakeholders and and the select board

574
00:46:52,000 --> 00:47:01,520
and you guys on steps one and two, a lot
of the work taking place on step three

575
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:06,640
from your end in cooperation with um the
town administrator um representing the

576
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:12,720
board. And then number four is sort of
an overview and monitoring if you will

577
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:18,960
of the work done in steps one through
three to see how it's going. Um, and

578
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:24,240
then to Amelia's point, is that would
there be enough time in that if this is

579
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:29,920
broke up over the course of a year, the
last three months of of the year, um,

580
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,520
laid out, do you envision three months
enough time to sort of monitor how

581
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:40,880
things are going with the three phases
to be able to make some adequate changes

582
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:45,839
or does does the contract with you and
that step number four and and what's

583
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:50,880
required there or what you're asking for
the town in terms of financial input.

584
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:57,040
Does it does it have an end date like a
a hard end date to to the agreement?

585
00:47:54,079 --> 00:48:01,680
» No. No. And that's the thing that I want
everyone to to understand um and come to

586
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:06,160
expect when working with us is we're not
operating on a like December 31st. CIA,

587
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,480
you know, we want to see this through.
We want to do the work well. And so if

588
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:14,400
it takes a little bit longer to schedule
the meetings in phase one and we're a

589
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,520
little bit shifted, that's okay. we will
still be there for you when you're

590
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,040
getting the work off the ground and
you're saying, "Hey, this workflow

591
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,280
looked good on paper, but this
collaboration with how we engage EMS

592
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:30,319
isn't really working on the ground. So,
can we revisit it? We will hop on hop on

593
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:34,480
and and work through that."
>> Okay. So with with that being said, so

594
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:39,920
say everything takes place over the
course of a year and then 18 months

595
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:46,319
after the start of the work, a glaring
issue within the framework arises that

596
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:52,640
the clinic and or the board thinks needs
to be addressed. We could reach out to

597
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:59,359
you after not hearing from us for say
six months and you guys would be willing

598
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:06,400
to help rectify any potential issues
with the process and the operation down

599
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,760
the road as a part of this $30,000
contract.

600
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,960
» Yeah. Being Yeah. Being consultatively
available. You know, could we say, you

601
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:16,960
know, next day we're going to be, you
know, on site to work through it all

602
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,880
day? Probably not. But to say, "Hey, if
want to jump on a call and troubleshoot

603
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:23,520
that," Yeah, that's totally that's a
reasonable expectation for you to have.

604
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:30,559
Yeah.
>> And one thing I wanted to bring up is so

605
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:34,400
» on um appendix A on the last page, it
does say the parties may refine the

606
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:40,559
sequencing of the foregoing phases by
mutual agreement during the term of the

607
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:44,400
agreement. So, schedule A is a guide.
And if say we get into the first meeting

608
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:50,319
and then we're all under discussion like
okay maybe this needs to change we do

609
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:54,160
have the ability to change um the change
schedule a

610
00:49:52,160 --> 00:50:00,319
» as a group.
I yeah I I that is nice to hear because

611
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:08,319
I think you know bird number four the
sort of um you know seeing how things

612
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:14,240
are working time for reviewing and
changing things. I think it will be

613
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:18,640
really great to be able to do that
through the di, you know, through the

614
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:23,359
summer and and through different periods
of time in the clinic because it is so

615
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,520
different,
>> right?

616
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:31,599
» There's a lot of extra need. There's,
you know, and so being able to make sure

617
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:36,400
everything is working and streamlined
through the very busy times and through

618
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,920
the not so busy times I think will be
really helpful.

619
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:43,040
» Yeah, you nailed it, Amelia. Like for
me, there's stuff that there's policies

620
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,920
and workflows you're going to use every
day, right? Cuz they're just part of the

621
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,680
clinic operations. And then there's
things that come up once every couple of

622
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:53,440
months. And the first time it comes up
for you guys might be after, you know,

623
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,440
we have done this initial engagement, we
haven't talked for a couple months.

624
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:00,960
Still call us and be like, hey, it works
through step eight and then it gets a

625
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:05,520
little hairy. Like, can we talk through
that? And that's that's something that

626
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:11,520
we would be happy to support you with.
So, Mary, can I just ask before we um

627
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:16,720
close out the meeting is on the contract
under terms, maybe we can clarify that

628
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:21,440
under that section of the contract.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And if you guys are

629
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:25,280
feeling like that's a lot to do in one
year and you're nervous about like it

630
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:30,000
being a term, we can think through the
term. We can add details on, you know,

631
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:33,119
the time the anticipated timeline. You
know, we can we can work that up for

632
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:37,359
sure. If you want to have that
discussion after Kim and I hop off about

633
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:42,400
language that would make you most
comfortable, totally happy to look at

634
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:50,000
that and mark it up.
>> Can I just before we end um I just have

635
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:53,040
two questions. Um one of them is um well
kind of a statement but then followed up

636
00:51:51,520 --> 00:52:00,319
with a question. the the statement here
is that we are in the process of uh

637
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:07,280
solidifying a medical practitioner for
the clinic um to replace Lorraine's

638
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:14,240
retirement. Um and we also are looking
to fill the seat at the clinic that um

639
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:19,599
Jill held um in her role there. So we
have two positions that are sort of in

640
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:24,400
flux right now. I think there's a little
concern on behalf of um some members

641
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:31,520
here and and people involved in this
process with jumping into this um work

642
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:37,680
without these people sort of being able
to be involved in it. Um

643
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:43,119
» do you um as an organization believe
that um it would be important for new

644
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:48,720
incoming um employees of the North
Medical Clinic to be a part of this? And

645
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:56,400
if so, does this contract have to have a
specific start date for the appendix A

646
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:59,839
in consideration of the board?
>> Kim, I will take this because I feel

647
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,520
like we're probably very aligned. I
would say

648
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:07,760
uh yes, we feel it is very important,
especially with a staff that that small

649
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:13,680
that they would be engaged in the
process and yes, we are flexible on the

650
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:18,559
start date. So, if it would actually be
my recommendation that if you want to

651
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:22,000
try to fill those positions and then
start the engagement once they're up and

652
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:24,720
running, that that would be fine with
us. Kim, is that what you were going to

653
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,880
say or did you want to say something?
>> Yeah, I was going to I was all Yeah, I I

654
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:33,359
agree, Mary. But I think there but there
may be opportunity, I think, right, to

655
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:38,640
consider some of the work, right? Like
cuz when you're talking about gathering

656
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:43,200
input um in those first two phases um
and then it goes it's in a draft format,

657
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,960
you know what I mean? Like I just there
may be opportunity and and maybe I'm

658
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:51,280
thinking and I I respect the fact that
it's a small group. Um but you know

659
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,720
there are providers that would like it
to come in and be a little bit road

660
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,079
ready and don't want to be involved in
those types of things, right? And then

661
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:01,839
there's others that would, you know,
they want it to be road ready when I

662
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:06,000
jump in and want to have some of the
foundational work done. I, you know, I'm

663
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,920
not familiar with any of the candidates
that you've um interviewed, but as you

664
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:15,839
go through the interview process, you
might want to ask them that, right, or

665
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:19,920
something. Uh just to see if if if they
have interest or or have faith because I

666
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,880
mean, in most circumstances, they would
come in and it wouldn't be that way,

667
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,960
right? There'd be this foundation
already created. But, you know, I I

668
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:31,839
appreciate the sensitivity and I think
there might be a balance.

669
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,359
» Yeah. And that's something. So, I did
hear back from the chair um and she did

670
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,760
have that conversation with the person
who was provided a verbal offer and the

671
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,559
response was he would love to be a part
of it even prior to a start date.

672
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:47,280
» Great.
>> Perfect. Wonderful.

673
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:52,240
» That's good. Good to know.
>> Great. Thank you very much for answering

674
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,839
all our questions. Really helpful. And
if anything comes up after, you know,

675
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,440
after we're off the call, just please,
any one of you, don't hesitate to reach

676
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:04,960
out to us. We'd be happy to answer
questions or if other other things come

677
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:09,000
up, more than willing to do it.
>> Thanks everybody. Bye

678
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000
» bye.

679
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:22,253
» I'm gonna go to the bathroom before we
start. I'm gonna say that.

680
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,253
» Okay. [clears throat]

681
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,920
I'm fixing Charlie and my name tag on
it.

682
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:37,559
» Oh, thanks. I'm tired of being Jeremiah.
Yeah. Okay.

683
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:50,960
» I guess I get sort of um bummed up
thinking about lay people trying to

684
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:56,880
figure out a plan for a medical clinic.
And you know,

685
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:02,559
I don't know anything about it. Um, and
I, you know, I guess I could use common

686
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:08,240
sense, but I think the providers and the
people with experience, um, are the ones

687
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:15,760
to really be, um, working through this
plan with I guess the team like that um,

688
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:22,880
who have lots of experience too. Um,
I I know it's our responsibility to be

689
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:32,000
uh, you know, oversee it and
accept it or deny it. um the plan. Um

690
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:37,520
» but I I don't feel equipped to even do
that at this point.

691
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:42,480
» And that's kind of why I I found Dr.
Busco because I knew I wasn't equipped

692
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:45,839
to when I started researching like other
other townrun medical clinics and I and

693
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,960
again I think
>> they don't exist.

694
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:52,000
» They don't exist. So I was like okay so
I can't even go off somebody else's

695
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,119
because you mean there's no reason to
recreate create the

696
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,599
Yeah,
>> this is kind of a one of the best

697
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:06,319
descriptors that I've heard was one of
the locoms a couple of years ago said

698
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:11,280
this is like urgent care with a twist.
>> It's not like a typical primary care

699
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:17,040
which is why you run into some of the
problems with the ACL issues etc.

700
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:24,160
It is not
part of a large system,

701
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:29,680
but it does do a pretty good job of
providing urgent care and primary care

702
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,520
to those who choose to do it.
>> That's a very good job.

703
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:38,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. And and

704
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:46,240
trying to switch it into a
basic primary care for everyone is is a

705
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:52,559
little off. I mean, It is almost
like a twisted concierge care. And the

706
00:57:49,200 --> 00:58:00,240
reason I say that is because the town is
paying a fee from the taxes to ensure

707
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:05,359
that that care is present. And so in a
loose form of the word, what it is is

708
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:10,720
concierge care,
but it does provide,

709
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:14,720
you know, the primary care. does provide
the community health

710
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:18,720
things like you know the flu shot
clinics and all of that other kind of

711
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:22,640
stuff
but it is not like any other practice

712
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:27,599
that I'm aware of.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

713
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:31,440
» And so that's that's the challenge.
>> So we have board meetings we'll start at

714
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,839
full work.
>> Okay. I think it's kind of

715
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:40,880
» I mean I think it's kind of important
building in some time after meetings

716
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:44,799
like these for moments like this where
we can just sort of take five minutes to

717
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:48,720
digest openly amongst each other because
I think that

718
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:54,319
» some of these things it's they're such
big items that it's important to sort of

719
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:57,040
have a transition. So if Rebecca's okay
I'm fine with taking four minutes if

720
00:58:55,839 --> 00:59:01,119
people have thoughts they want to put
out there about this before we get into

721
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:04,319
the board meeting. Um, I know we're
gonna start with the confusion slate,

722
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:08,000
but if there's anything else that people
will feel like we need to address, like

723
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,359
to Charlie's point, the one thing I
would say to Charlie's point is I don't

724
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:19,920
disagree with you. I think this is where
it's important and this is where I do

725
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:25,839
support the idea of having um an entity
like CCPM assist in this because this is

726
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:31,599
where the select board is supposed to
weigh it is supposed to lean on other

727
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:38,240
committees and boards to help do the
work because if the town is relying on

728
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,599
the five of us to make decisions about a
clinic

729
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:45,760
» or engineering transfer station or you
name it. Like we're going to make

730
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:51,599
massive mistakes. We already make enough
mistakes. We don't need to make more.

731
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:55,599
» And I think that relying upon
>> professionals and the people the

732
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,680
stakeholders involved. And I I do agree
with Jacqueline. I think that we should

733
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:03,839
have EMS representatives. We should have
board select board. We should have

734
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:10,160
medical services board and the clinic in
this town office as a part of that

735
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:14,720
process and solidify that and develop a
schedule moving through the strategic

736
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:19,200
pro planning process that everybody's
comfortable with that can be there and

737
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:23,760
know that when you sign up like this is
an important position you're signing up

738
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:29,119
for and to try and make sure that people
are really there and engaged. Um, but I

739
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:34,240
think that we at times individually and
as a board tend to want to take

740
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:38,720
ownership of some of these things
because they're so important to us as

741
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:42,319
community members and we don't rely as
heavily on outside boards in the agency.

742
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:47,599
This is where I think the medical
services board there has been a shift

743
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,480
through the phase one that some on the
medical services board, some in the

744
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:55,200
community are a little confused and
concerned about. think it would be worth

745
01:00:52,799 --> 01:01:00,480
like seeing is that the right direction
for medical services. Can can we utilize

746
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:07,280
them more? In the past, they seem to
have more input

747
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:12,240
and you know those things can pose
problems too. But as a select board,

748
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:17,040
relying on these committees to do the
bulk of the work, trusting the road

749
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:22,880
commissioner, trusting the the fire
chief to say this is what's happening is

750
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:27,480
going to be better for us to be able to
function efficiently in this.

751
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,760
» Do you need me to stay? I'm happy to if
you need.

752
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:36,880
» No, I don't I don't think so. Um,
>> the only thing I was going to say is I I

753
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:41,920
agree with Charlie. I mean, I'm not a
medical provider by any stretch of the

754
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:48,319
minute, but I think I I can help figure
out like uh you know, orders of

755
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:53,599
responsibility and and those kind of
things. And I think that's that's where

756
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:57,599
we play a role in that that thing. It it
could be a medical

757
01:01:55,839 --> 01:02:02,400
clinic. It could be a recreational
facility. It doesn't really matter. you

758
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:07,040
can still help say who who answers to
who and what responsibilities are from

759
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:12,079
this person and that person and
>> well one thing I can share having been

760
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:17,040
on several boards
that in general the boards I have served

761
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,880
on I've learned that it is the board's
responsibility for governance and

762
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:26,000
oversight
but it's important that they set up the

763
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:31,359
systems for operations and not get too
involved in that and let the operations

764
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:37,920
filter up and let the board make
decisions on that information. So, you

765
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:43,680
know, call on the people that you know
have the information or have the time or

766
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:48,640
the interest in putting it in and step
back and look at their reports cons you

767
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:54,640
know get that good communications and
input and that makes life a lot easier.

768
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:02,720
» Thank you.
>> Thanks for being here very much. Is it

769
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:07,920
okay if I do two things? Um, I won't say
I agree with you to a certain extent

770
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:14,079
about, you know, potential people coming
in, whether we should wait, whether we

771
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:20,079
should not. I do feel like it was nice
to hear Kim's perspective of there could

772
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:25,839
be some initial
information gathering that happens pre

773
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:32,559
you know maybe some people are involved
but not anyway I think it will be

774
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:39,280
helpful to honestly to have Lorraine's
input to have you know the the current

775
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:45,920
people that are here gathering
information um and whether that is we

776
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:52,319
start the process and it continues a
little bit longer once we do fill all of

777
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:56,160
the positions. Great. But I was
yeah it it made me feel a little bit

778
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:00,880
better about them being flexible in
terms of the duration like maybe we

779
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:04,079
start now and it does take a little bit
longer to sort of do all that

780
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:11,119
information gathering. The other thing
is if it is,

781
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:16,480
you know, a one meeting kind of time
commitment, I'm like get everybody

782
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:22,000
rather than that. And that's my
perspective. Rather than having one or

783
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:27,200
two representatives,
there are very there's only five medical

784
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:34,880
services for people. There's what four
EMS or there's like the four EMS

785
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:40,799
providers or five and it's it's such a
small group of people. If it is a we're

786
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:46,880
going to try to schedule it, everybody's
invited. We really would appreciate as

787
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:51,359
many people from your department or your
crew or your whatever to come rather

788
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:56,160
than just picking and choosing one or
two representatives because anytime you

789
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:00,960
disseminate information, it's going to
get convoluted and confusing. That is my

790
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:06,640
perspective.
>> Well, maybe they can be Yeah, I mean we

791
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:12,160
can we can hash that out as a store in
the development

792
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:18,720
later. But I mean if these are like
video and people available to watch I

793
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:23,520
think that hosting such a large meeting
if everybody working from select board

794
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:27,920
medical services board the clinic the
town office the EMS I mean you're

795
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:31,200
talking about you're talking I've been
involved in those meetings I've been

796
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:35,599
involved in those meetings at the school
and you you get nothing back when you've

797
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,319
got that many people if it's not like a
town meeting where there's just like

798
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,000
voting
>> but when you got ideas in a group of 25

799
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:46,319
people.
>> I mean, I will just say rather than us

800
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:49,760
sort of saying we're picking and
choosing the committee, I think

801
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:53,280
» I don't think we should pick I think
that medical services should pick their

802
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,559
candidates, we should pick our
candidates. I think the clinic should

803
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:59,440
discuss who they would like to have
represent.

804
01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:04,400
» I just don't want to exclude people.
>> I think if people have an opportunity to

805
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,680
sit in on phase one, someone could sit
in on phase two. I think that there's

806
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:11,280
plenty of avenues for people to be
involved that are representing the

807
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:15,440
various boards
>> kind of although if it's just one

808
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:18,240
meeting it's going to be charged.
>> Yeah.

809
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:22,160
» That was optimistic.
>> Unless that's the best way.

810
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,839
» No, I don't think either and we can
>> well then maybe I don't think it's a

811
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,839
good idea either, but we need to start
regular.

812
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:35,200
» Yeah. Um, so if you need anything,
>> thank you.

813
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:43,440
» Uh, we call the, uh, North Haven meeting
to order, uh, September 2nd at, uh, 419.

814
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:50,000
Um,
um, so we just went through the

815
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:54,720
strategic planning workshop. Um, any
adjustments to the agenda from you,

816
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:57,119
Rebecca, or any concerns on behalf of
the board?

817
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:01,039
» I have no adjustments.
No, only thing is the calendar has the

818
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:02,960
wrong time for
>> Well, let's we'll get to the calendar at

819
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:09,640
the end.
>> That's not

820
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,640
saying it's not.

821
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:18,319
» We can Well, we'll discuss calendar.
>> Okay.

822
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:24,079
» Um Okay. Um so then we have minutes for
August 12th and August 19th. People had

823
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:32,240
an opportunity to review those.
>> Yep. And so we accept both minutes.

824
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:37,359
» Uh the motion is to accept uh the
minutes from August 12th and the minutes

825
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:40,720
from August 19th. Do we hear a second?
>> Second.

826
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:47,160
» Second. Any discussion regarding the
minutes?

827
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:47,160
All those in favor?

828
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:58,000
» Okay. Um anyone on Zoom or Tammy? I'm
assuming you're here for CEO.

829
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:02,319
» CEO and then I assessor
>> the assessor. Yeah. To go through the

830
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:07,599
calculation form
if I could ask at

831
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:13,520
» at 6 o'clock I have to meet with um
other people that I work for. So I

832
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,760
before that anytime before that is fine.
>> Okay.

833
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:20,400
» I just need to be back on the north
shore for 6.

834
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:24,000
» Um hold on one second. Let me take a
look.

835
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:26,719
or do we want to move up?
>> Okay. Um, yeah. Can

836
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:34,239
» Yeah.
>> Any objection to moving the CEO to the

837
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:39,679
start of old business ahead of EMS and
then we could follow up CEO with an

838
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:42,239
update uh regarding
>> tax commitment.

839
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:46,319
» Sounds good.
>> All right. Do we need an actual motion

840
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:51,480
there?
Um,

841
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,480
no one on Zoom.

842
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,839
Anyone on Zoom for a public comment?

843
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:06,159
Okay. All right. So, we'll move on from
public comment um consent item. So, we

844
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:12,880
have the hiring transfer station
attendant. So, we have an applicant for

845
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:18,799
the station attendant. Um if everybody
looked back at before, you saw that

846
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:26,159
Janelle has applied. Uh the
recommendation is to fire Janelle uh for

847
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:31,440
$20 an hour as the transfer station
attendant. Um

848
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:36,560
and her schedule would be available in
the winter months and we'd have somebody

849
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:39,440
committed to come back for the summer.
Um

850
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:44,640
» is Nathan is that
>> as far as Yes. Yeah.

851
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:46,880
» Yes. They the um he's very interested in
coming back in the summer.

852
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,600
» He was so great.
>> Yeah.

853
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:57,040
say so friendly, so on top of it. It was
really a pleasure

854
01:09:53,520 --> 01:10:02,000
» to see Molly and Nathan
>> at the transfer station.

855
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:06,640
» Okay, so the um the request from the
administrator is to consider hiring

856
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:11,920
Janelle for this position at $20 an hour
for the six months probationary with an

857
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:18,800
increase to 22
um after six month evaluation.

858
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:23,360
um groups to start immediately.
>> I'm sorry. Would you start immediately?

859
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,800
» September. It's September 4. That's
pretty.

860
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,040
» Well, I think the last time it was the
next day.

861
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:37,280
» Yes. [laughter] Yes.
>> Um can I hear a motion?

862
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:42,320
» I make a motion that we accept Janelle's
>> application. Yes, I second it.

863
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:47,199
» Okay. Uh second. Uh any discussion
regarding the hired

864
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:52,400
hearing? None. All those in favor?
>> I

865
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:56,159
» um Okay, moving on to transfer station
manager change. I'll let Rebecca speak

866
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:00,640
to this.
>> Um so at the

867
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:07,199
before summer started, um the select
board met with the property manager and

868
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:13,120
both agreed to put her in the uh
transfer station manager position until

869
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:17,440
the beginning of September. Um, and um,
so I'm just bringing it to you guys to

870
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:23,600
vote to go ahead and remove her as the
transfer station manager and go ahead

871
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:28,960
and put Molly in that position. I Molly
is doing a remarkable job up there. Um,

872
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:34,560
she's fast learner. She's getting the
the um, containers down. She is doing I

873
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,000
mean, you know, sometimes people miss
stuff. it it is what it is. But she's

874
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:42,080
trying to do the best she can with
getting signage out the post on

875
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:47,199
Facebook. She created a Facebook page
just for the transfer station. I really

876
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:51,760
do think that um through the summer
she's proven herself to go ahead and

877
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:56,719
take over the the managerial role.
>> I I agree. I

878
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:00,880
» Yeah. What does it mean um financially?
>> There was I don't think any changes

879
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:05,679
until the six months. So there is no
changes financially for

880
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,520
» Are you asking for a motion here?
>> Yes. To go ahead and um have Molly be

881
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:18,800
the official.
>> So it'll basically just remove any

882
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:22,400
extra work urging and Molly will just
sort of assume all of the

883
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:30,080
responsibilities
and then is Jamian still available to

884
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:35,120
fill in as needed with Okay.
Can I hear a motion?

885
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:41,000
» I'll make a motion that we uh hire
facility

886
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:41,000
transfer station managers.

887
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:50,800
» Any more discussion?
>> I would like to say thank you to Amelia

888
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:56,159
for finding Molly and persevering on
getting her here. And also I think we I

889
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:00,880
would like to have us all sign a thank
you note or I would like to say sign a

890
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,840
thank you note to um Jamie.
>> Yeah.

891
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:05,120
» For stepping and doing it so long.
>> Agree.

892
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,199
» I agree.
>> Yeah.

893
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:11,679
» Um
oh

894
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:18,400
um is there I know we've been doing sort
of the employee updates. I feel like it

895
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:24,719
might be good to have Molly, you know,
>> scheduled for uh a meeting not too far

896
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:28,800
out just to make sure we are touching
base with her to see if she needs

897
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,520
anything, how things are going.
>> Um, you know, I talk with her when I'm

898
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,280
up there, but I think just the whole
board.

899
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:40,159
» Yeah, that'd be good.
>> Yeah. And also uh you know in terms of

900
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:44,400
switching
scheduling to the sort of winter

901
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,679
times
>> yeah after indigenous people

902
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:54,400
» after indigenous people I don't know if
that if we're if that is set in stone if

903
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:57,760
that works for her the Monday I mean
Wednesday Saturdays

904
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:03,120
» why don't we
why don't we just

905
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:07,679
schedule preemptively Molly for the 16th
for a quick update and see how the first

906
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:11,040
two weeks as in that managerial role
goes and we can ask her

907
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:13,199
» about that.
>> Yeah.

908
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,000
» Yeah.
>> She knew what she could work on

909
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,760
Saturdays.
>> I think that was that was the

910
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,400
» Yeah. why the schedule changed but we
can hear we can

911
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:27,600
» she could or could not.
>> This the the original change was because

912
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,600
of Jamie's schedule the Friday. It was
not a Molly.

913
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:33,600
» Oh, I thought it was Molly. Okay. Well,
we'll talk. I have not talked with her

914
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,880
specifically about Saturday, so I don't
know.

915
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:39,040
» We'll follow that.
>> Yeah. Okay.

916
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:44,719
» Um I'll just say uh let Molly rain.
That's my two. [laughter]

917
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:48,480
» Agreed. We will make work whatever.
>> Yeah.

918
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:54,800
» Okay. I mean, I will I will just say
that I know her child care is Waterman's

919
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:59,520
child care and so a Fridays are you know
I mean it was very great but I watched

920
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:05,040
Iris every Friday afternoon so the stay
open but Fridays are hard because there

921
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:09,040
is no afterare and so the you know I
don't know if Saturdays are better if it

922
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:17,440
opens up other you know child care
possibilities um but just thinking about

923
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:20,239
is it to weekdays about whatever just
Saturday morning.

924
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:24,400
» I don't I haven't heard any complaints
about not I mean at first people are

925
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:27,360
like but then staying later open later
on Wednesdays really has worked out. I

926
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:34,400
have help but
>> it's I have heard that I have heard that

927
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:38,320
it was hard not having a week end. I
think people were just happy that

928
01:15:36,582 --> 01:15:43,520
[laughter] it was open and nobody was
going to complain. But I would say

929
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:49,040
» I think the the later time like when we
discussed with her the the issues with

930
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:54,267
time change going into winter being open
later and

931
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:56,719
» you know we'll get into those things.
[clears throat]

932
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:01,120
» Okay.
>> Okay. So

933
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:07,520
» all those in favor
>> I

934
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:13,520
» Okay. Um, so we Oh, correspondence. Do
we have anything for the board?

935
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:17,120
» I don't have anything. I know Jacqueline
had requested the one letter, but I

936
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,880
asked if it should be put on the next
agenda, but where she's not here, I feel

937
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:24,640
like it should be put on the next agenda
from Miss Bush.

938
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:27,640
» Okay. Um, so we'll wait until the next
agenda.

939
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,800
Okay.
>> Is that something that

940
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:38,480
» it's nothing? It could wait till the
next. It just came up.

941
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,320
» So you'll just put it in our packet for
next time.

942
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:47,679
» Yeah.
>> Uh okay. So old business shift in the

943
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:51,320
agenda. We now have the discussion
regarding CEO.

944
01:16:51,600 --> 01:17:03,520
So there's notes on that in our
papers here and Rebecca and or Tammy

945
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,480
want to speak to them. statement.
>> Okay. If you want to sit over there,

946
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:15,960
» don't don't mind all of my papers there.
>> I'm that kind of person, too.

947
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:34,080
» Okay. So everyone knows the situation
for the CEO or well I think people are

948
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:38,480
understanding don't have CEO. I think
that the wait is left though but they

949
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:42,000
would sign off on permit.
>> She is she's still other than physically

950
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,640
being here.
>> Yeah.

951
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:50,719
» She is still reviewing. I scan
everything um and I email it to her and

952
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:55,760
we have a discussion. If there's
question and she can't get up here, then

953
01:17:52,880 --> 01:18:00,880
I go take a look and then I again go
back to her with what I found.

954
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:05,040
» Um, sometimes I don't always think she
does a whole lot of research, so I do

955
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,520
that extra step too.
>> Um,

956
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:12,640
» sounds like you could be CEO.
>> Um, we've we've

957
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:17,920
» I could Thank you.
>> Yes, I could, but right now um I have

958
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:23,120
too many family things that I have on my
plate right now. Um, I do love being the

959
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:29,440
assistant and helping in that role and I
look forward to continuing in that. Um,

960
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:32,800
so for now I don't know that she would
say she wouldn't do it. Um, did she get

961
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,760
back to you today?
>> She well during just a little while ago.

962
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,840
» Okay.
>> Um, so looking at the current budget?

963
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,520
» Yes.
>> And what the the select board's

964
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:49,520
recommendation was which was one day a
week. um whether it was on island or

965
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:54,560
remote depending the money is not in the
budget to currently hire. So we would

966
01:18:51,920 --> 01:19:00,800
need to go to a special town meeting to
appropriate funds to

967
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:04,480
find a CEO to provide the level of work
um that

968
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:10,640
is truly needed for the
>> um is is there one day a week worth of

969
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:14,640
work though in that job? Um,
maybe not every week, but sure. Because

970
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:20,400
there's a lot of follow-up that doesn't
always get done and there's a lot of

971
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:24,560
» um complaints that not a lot, but enough
that need followup and letters and

972
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:29,679
making sure timelines are met and things
like that.

973
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:35,520
» Complaints by the people requesting a
permit or neighbors or

974
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:40,159
» like neighbors, concerned citizens. Um,
>> compliance issues.

975
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:46,960
» Compliance issues. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I mean, I don't know if this is a a

976
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:55,040
a fair thing to think about, but could
it be a, you know,

977
01:19:50,960 --> 01:20:00,400
something where we are saying as needed,
a number of hours as needed, or do you

978
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:06,640
think that nobody would really take a
job? Like it would have to be we are

979
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:11,600
guaranteeing
one day. a week of pay

980
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,960
» kind of
>> like how what what how much are we

981
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:19,840
talking about or
>> there's in the budget there's only

982
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:24,719
$4,000 for a CEO for the year
>> for the year

983
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:28,239
» um there's another 4,800 for um what I
my my half of things.

984
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:32,719
» Okay. So under planning and code
enforcement then the code enforcement

985
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:36,000
officer salary encompasses the CEO and
his CEO

986
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,080
» Yep. if it's 8,400
>> 8400.

987
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:46,080
» Yeah.
>> So my so my recommendation um is that we

988
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:50,400
ask the prior CEO if she's willing to
sign off on permits. We go through the

989
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:54,960
budget process. We appropriately budget
for the needs of the community when it

990
01:20:52,480 --> 01:21:01,199
comes to the CEO position and then go
out again at that time.

991
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:05,920
You said in in your notes that there was
one two potential applicants. One you

992
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:11,199
could talk to.
>> Yeah. So one So I mean and they're off

993
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:16,320
Ireland so it makes sense for it to be
contractual as it was 50,000.

994
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,560
» Um and
>> 50,000 for what we were asking which was

995
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:21,199
one
>> exactly.

996
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:25,520
» So 50,000 would be one day a week. It
would be planning board meetings. It

997
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:29,600
would be um select board meetings that
included all travel.

998
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:32,239
» Yes. So all travel included travel.
>> It included travel. Yes.

999
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:36,159
» That's what [clears throat]
keep

1000
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:39,920
» I mean that's doesn't even sound like a
fiscally responsible thing to

1001
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:45,199
» No. But I'm just letting you know that
no matter what the 4,000 is not going to

1002
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,280
» Yeah.
>> 4,000 is clearly not enough then 50 is

1003
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,040
» Well, here's my question. [laughter]
Have we

1004
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,199
» we find some?
>> So are we currently advertising?

1005
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:03,679
» So we were Yeah.
>> So we had spoke to um a gentleman that

1006
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:07,760
Vinyl Haven had met with um and
he had talked about splitting the day

1007
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,760
with Vinyl Haven in North Haven, but
then he never reached back out.

1008
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:16,719
» And then we had a gentleman who is a
contractor. He does not have his

1009
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:20,000
certification to be a CEO but was told
that you know he has within one year to

1010
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,480
get that certification.
>> This is someone off island.

1011
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:29,840
» Yep.
>> And then we have a gentleman who um is a

1012
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:33,239
CEO for a couple communities already. He
lives in

1013
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:39,040
» I was thinking Karina or that area.
>> That was Canada.

1014
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:42,320
I don't really
>> but I mean I already knew at that point

1015
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:47,120
that we we needed to probably put up
with um

1016
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:51,199
» well Tammy you would know um having
taken some classes in this area but uh

1017
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:56,960
if somebody is actively pursuing
becoming a code enforcement officer is

1018
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:59,520
there um a little bit of uh lead time
for them to become officially licensed

1019
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:04,560
where they would be
>> generally 12 months. Generally 12 months

1020
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:08,639
I'm not sure if within that 12 months
they can actively sign. Sure.

1021
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:11,600
» Um that I would have to clarify.
>> What what's entailed in becoming

1022
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:21,600
certified?
>> Um it is classes um exams.

1023
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:27,280
» No. Yeah. And not just in not just in
land use but in the law

1024
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:30,239
» and uh
in um Shorland's own.

1025
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,159
» Yeah.
>> So there's several different courses

1026
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:38,400
that need to be taken, exams that need
to be passed.

1027
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:43,840
Okay.
So, but it sounds like it kind of sounds

1028
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:46,400
like what was taking place to be frank
what was taking place in the past is

1029
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:51,199
what's
>> currently taking place which is that it

1030
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:53,920
» you as the associator
>> bearing

1031
01:23:51,760 --> 01:24:00,239
» aside from signing the official document
acting as the town's CEO

1032
01:23:56,480 --> 01:24:04,480
» the current CEO who has resigned from
position um

1033
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:07,760
» but agreed to stay on to look over to
look over

1034
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:12,320
» I don't want to make that not make that
sound important because it is.

1035
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:17,040
» Yeah, it is. Right. Um, but FA is
signing off at your guidance and all

1036
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:21,920
you're doing the work
>> assumption.

1037
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:29,520
» Do you anticipate being able to make it
if if we were stuck as a community with

1038
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:36,000
um having to get through until next July
1 with this current structure? Do you

1039
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:40,639
think you would be able to a attend to
the work that that's ahead and do you

1040
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:44,400
think the budget would cover what you
would have to do if this were to

1041
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:49,199
continue through to
>> I think um for the last however many

1042
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:56,880
years now, five, six years, whatever
it's been, um I've been running at just

1043
01:24:52,159 --> 01:25:01,679
a few hours every two weeks every week.
So two hours per week I can a lot within

1044
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:05,520
that budget. I don't think that budget
has changed too much from the previous

1045
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,760
year.
>> Um,

1046
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:12,800
» it's been right around there.
>> And if you go back and look, it's all

1047
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:15,600
» it's been my salary that's been bigger
than her salary.

1048
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,560
» Um, and that's why
>> the appropriation was set up that way.

1049
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,960
» Yeah.
>> Um,

1050
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:25,840
» I mean, if you know,
>> I would like with an elderly parent

1051
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:29,280
change, I would, you know, consider
that. I just don't have the time right

1052
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:32,159
now. What is the contracted planner
within that line in the budget?

1053
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,880
» That's our planner.
>> That's Matt.

1054
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:40,120
» Yeah, that's Matt
>> who does a great job for us.

1055
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:40,120
» Um, okay.

1056
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,040
So,
>> so I just, you know, it okay to reach

1057
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:47,840
out to her to see if we can continue
what we're doing until then.

1058
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:52,239
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I would hate to, you know, think that we

1059
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:57,040
have to go out to a special meeting. I'm
taking so many phone calls right now

1060
01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:01,760
about taxes and people still don't
understand why they got a tax bill in

1061
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:07,600
February and they're paying it again.
>> So, I'm doing a lot of re re-education.

1062
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:11,840
Joet's doing a lot. Um,
>> and it we are all taxpayers here. We

1063
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:15,600
know what that feels like.
>> Um,

1064
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:19,600
» I was happy to get mine that I normally
pay half of it. [laughter]

1065
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:25,120
» That is a great option.
>> I I didn't actually Oh, well, we'll

1066
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:29,360
we're about ready or close to shifting,
I guess. reaching out to faith to ensure

1067
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:34,639
that this can move forward and we can
try and plan with the budget committee

1068
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:38,080
moving into this coming year to
>> come up with some realistic

1069
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:41,360
» we're looking at yeah some realistic fun
I mean we have

1070
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:46,000
» you know we've talked to two people who
have come in very close to each other um

1071
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:51,600
financially wise
>> um do I think that you know it's

1072
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:54,400
feasible
I don't but we have to have somebody

1073
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,159
right
>> yeah well Actually, on that front, what

1074
01:26:56,239 --> 01:27:05,040
are the legal ramifications for the town
to not have on like an official CEO? I

1075
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:09,840
» I don't know that, but without an
official CEO, you have no new

1076
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:14,159
construction going on in town, no new
growth means no place else to share the

1077
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,600
tax burden,
>> right?

1078
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:19,040
» Um, so I would caution going down that
road.

1079
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:25,040
» I mean,
>> no, I'm not I'm not to go down that

1080
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:29,679
road. I'm just curious if
where we have an associate that's not

1081
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:33,920
legally allowed to sign off on permits.
Is there any we would we potentially be

1082
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:38,800
looking at some sort of legal liability
for not having a CEO on the books?

1083
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,199
» I don't think there's a legal that you
just could not issue any permits.

1084
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:42,639
» Okay. Right.
>> All right.

1085
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:46,800
» So,
>> and if she agrees to stay on it, you

1086
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:51,280
could title it as in or something like
that. Um, she's still

1087
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:56,560
» an employee through the town. I could
reach out to Knox County.

1088
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:59,920
I mean, there are many small communities
that has the county take care of, but I

1089
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,400
don't know if
>> county take care of what their code

1090
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,920
enforcement.
>> Yeah, they

1091
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,719
» I'm just curious.
>> Well, a lot of the unorganized

1092
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,760
territories don't have code enforcement
officers. They have

1093
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:16,080
» But is that handled through the state?
>> Through the county.

1094
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:21,120
» I would be interested to pursue any
information. Well, that that would be

1095
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:26,560
good to know for unorganized townships
um if it's in fact the county or the

1096
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:28,719
state what that looks like and where
we're organized maybe they're like we

1097
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,719
have to
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1098
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:36,080
» I also think
>> it might be just a straight up answer

1099
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:44,560
that nobody sounds. I mean, with with
people, you know, putting in pitches for

1100
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:51,679
around $50,000, I think creatively like
sharing with Vinyl Haven or really sort

1101
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:57,920
of looking into the community and
pushing people in a kind way, you know,

1102
01:28:54,800 --> 01:29:04,560
to get their CEO certification. I I know
that there definitely are benefits would

1103
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:09,360
be benefits to having an outside entity
handle some of those sometimes difficult

1104
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:15,760
CEO
situations.

1105
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:21,280
Um, but I think with a cost of that
amount, having someone within our

1106
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:26,480
community that wouldn't have to travel,
that wouldn't have to, you know,

1107
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:29,679
» I think
>> as of the date that I put the notes

1108
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:35,040
together, violin still had not
validated. So,

1109
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:36,960
» so they're sure
what they're doing.

1110
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,080
» I mean,
>> you can reach out to us, but maybe could

1111
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:45,520
fill us in on it.
>> Yeah. I think Marjorie is actually the

1112
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:48,080
fill in code enforcement officer.
>> She has a license then.

1113
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,960
» I have no idea.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1114
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:51,960
» I'm just curious.

1115
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:59,120
» No.
>> We haven't done the same.

1116
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,880
» You don't need to.
>> No. Okay. So,

1117
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:06,239
Tammy,
>> before you leave that real quick, um

1118
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:10,320
it's the land use planning commission
that does uh CEO enforcement in the

1119
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:13,920
unorganized territories. So, it's not
the county, but the state.

1120
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:16,400
» Okay. So, it is state level. That's why
I was having a hard time thinking it was

1121
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:20,560
county.
>> So, Matt, while you're waiting, could

1122
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:26,000
you look up to see if they would do like
organized committees? [laughter]

1123
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:29,600
» So, LUPC does do islands. I know that
for a fact. Um, I'm not sure if you guys

1124
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:33,760
would qualify though because you're a
little more organized than most islands.

1125
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:36,960
But, um, I'll take a look.
>> Thank you.

1126
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:40,880
» What is it? The land use. It used to be
land use regulation commission that got

1127
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:46,360
changed. It's now the land use planning
commission there at the department of

1128
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:46,360
agriculture conservation and forestry.

1129
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:59,120
» Sorry to interrupt.
>> Thank you for jumping in there.

1130
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:03,840
» Um okay. Um an update on the
>> Sure. So I brought um a copy of the

1131
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:07,440
municipal tax rate calculation form.
It's what I've brought to you guys in

1132
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:15,600
the past. Oh, sure. There's one for you,
Ameilia. Um, this form is the form that

1133
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:25,600
I uh work through to set the mill rate
for the taxes. Um, and once I

1134
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:32,080
get it figured, I generally run through
uh three or four different mill rates to

1135
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:38,159
see what that's going to do um as far as
reimbursements and overlay. um trying to

1136
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:45,520
be very cautious of you know not raising
extra money that we don't need to. Um,

1137
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:51,840
so this sheet that I've gotten given to
you today, uh, when I had those other

1138
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:57,679
the packet of four of them done, Rebecca
and Joet, treasurer and myself sat down

1139
01:31:54,719 --> 01:32:05,280
and went through both of or all of them
uh, to consider um, the mill rate and

1140
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:10,080
what we would need um, for overlay. Um,
so if we just start at the top, I'll

1141
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:16,239
just walk you down through what goes,
you know, into coming up with that

1142
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:23,679
formula. Um, so as line item number one
is the total taxable valuation of real

1143
01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:29,440
estate. Um, and that combined with the
taxable valuation of personal property

1144
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:34,400
gives us our total uh taxable valuation
of real estate and personal property

1145
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:41,840
that is shown in line three. Um, Real
estate. Real estate is landing.

1146
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:48,400
Personal property is like vehicles.
>> It's like tractors, uh, business supply,

1147
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:52,639
um, like
in the stores and and things like that.

1148
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,480
» Got it. Things that are not taxed other.
>> Yes.

1149
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,560
» Got it.
>> Buy them.

1150
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:01,199
» What?
>> Except buy them.

1151
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:09,199
» They're always
Okay. Thank you. Um line 4A um asks for

1152
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:15,120
a total uh value of homestead exemption
granted. Uh the homestead exemption is

1153
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:22,400
uh a relief program offered by the
state. Um anybody that's owned a home

1154
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:30,239
and is a resident um is eligible for the
$25,000 exemption. Although that $25,000

1155
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:37,120
has to uh be adjusted by the town
certified ratio. This year we weren't

1156
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:43,040
able to offer the full um 25,000. We had
to certify at 80%. So that number is a

1157
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:48,800
little bit lower um because of that.
>> And do th though that gets reimbured?

1158
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:52,880
» A portion of that gets reimbured back to
us. And as we get further into this

1159
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:59,920
form, you'll be able to see we'll pull
that number. Um the home uh 4B is the

1160
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:08,000
homestead reim exemption reimbursement
value. So that value that 1,717,600

1161
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:11,840
that value is going to be used um with
our mill rate when we work down this

1162
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:14,239
form further and it will tell us what
we're going to get for reimbursement

1163
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:19,679
from the state.
>> Okay. So just to clarify 2.26 26.

1164
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:24,320
» That's the total
>> total value% but then the 1.7 is the

1165
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:29,360
80%.
>> It's going to be what's reimbursed back

1166
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:32,639
through the state um through their
formula that they have.

1167
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:38,639
» Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Gotcha.

1168
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:45,760
» Um and 5A is the exempt value of um the
business exemption tax. Um and we only

1169
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:50,159
have two of those accounts. um that is
reimburseable in the same way the

1170
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:57,760
homestead is. It will see that further
down in the form. Um so then line six is

1171
01:34:54,080 --> 01:35:04,080
the total valuation base. Um it does you
know step by step it tells you that line

1172
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:09,199
three plus line 4B plus line 5B equals
that total valuation base.

1173
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:16,000
We move down into the assessment portion
of the form. Um number seven is the

1174
01:35:11,679 --> 01:35:20,400
county tax. um by moving to our fiscal
year. I know it's a lot. It's a lot.

1175
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:28,159
» And that is
>> we pay Knox County for police protection

1176
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:30,639
for everything courthouse, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1177
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:35,199
» Protection.
>> Airport. Yeah. The the whole package

1178
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:37,760
» based on the island's valuation,
>> right?

1179
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:41,040
» Every town. It's all
>> based on everybody's every town's

1180
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:43,360
valuation, not just the island.
>> At a percentage. Yeah.

1181
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:50,400
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's just Yeah. Um and so line number

1182
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:54,719
eight is the municipal appropriation. Um
you'll recall um when we were on the

1183
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:58,639
calendar year, I told you that we had to
take half of one year and half of

1184
01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:03,679
another year to make up that. Now that
we're on the same fiscal year as um the

1185
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:08,880
county and the and the school, we no
longer have to do that. So that is your

1186
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:14,639
municipal appropriation from this year.
Uh number nine is tax increment

1187
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:17,840
financing. Um and we don't have any uh
of that in town currently.

1188
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:22,800
» What what is that?
>> It's it would be you could give special

1189
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:26,040
taxation
uh to

1190
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:31,040
» I'm going to just Google it quickly. I
don't want to give you the wrong

1191
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:34,159
information. But um
>> what does it say Brian? Tax

1192
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:36,480
» tax increment.
>> Tax

1193
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:40,400
» financing. Here we go.
>> Increment.

1194
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:44,400
» Yep. Um, it's a public financing method
that captures the future increase in

1195
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:49,360
property tax revenues from a designated
district to fund current redevelopment

1196
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:56,639
or infrastructure
or community improvement. So, it's like

1197
01:36:53,199 --> 01:37:04,320
say, you know, you had one ward in town
that uh there was a big project going on

1198
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:07,760
and you got into an agreement with them
that you say you wouldn't raise their

1199
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:16,639
taxes
um for a 10 year or 20 year period. Um

1200
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:20,560
and then the tax different
they would have to pay back at some

1201
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:25,920
point and that would be used right for
the the other development in town.

1202
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:28,639
» So you could create a tip district. So
the district would be like a downtown

1203
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:35,040
district. So
>> so you have your current evaluation your

1204
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:44,560
valuation and then say um Waterman's did
a $500,000 upgrade. So we can the select

1205
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:49,920
board could say all right we are that
increase in valuation is going to go to

1206
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:55,119
a separate account
>> for like capital

1207
01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:58,480
» capital planning capital projects.
>> It's not worth it.

1208
01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:04,400
» It's it's a lot of paperwork and it's
not always a great benefit.

1209
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:13,280
» Um so thankfully we don't have any. Line
number 10 is um the school's budget. Uh

1210
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:20,960
line 11 it is lines 7 through 10 total.
Um then we move into allowable

1211
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:26,080
deductions. Uh so uh tw line 12 is our
anticipated state municipal revenue

1212
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:31,840
sharing that we get. Um
line 13 I know it's pretty small I know

1213
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:38,639
but again we're looked at as a very
wealthy community. So, I feel like we're

1214
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:48,560
thankful we're we're getting that. Um,
line 13 is other revenues. Um,

1215
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:55,360
that is a number that Joet um uses as
her final commitment number that she is

1216
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:59,920
able to move. Um, what's the fund
balance called that sheated

1217
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:07,040
» un There we go. undesated fund balance.
So that's the amount that she is um

1218
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:12,800
offset taxes by. Uh so line 14 is our
total deduction line.

1219
01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:18,159
And then going on to the next page.
Uh line 15

1220
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:23,199
is the net to be raised by local taxes.
So that's line 11, which was the total

1221
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:27,760
assessment
minus line 14, which is your total

1222
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:31,199
deductions.
And that gives you that net to be

1223
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:39,679
raised.
And then

1224
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:47,920
you're allowed to raise 1.05%
over what you need. Um, so line 16 sets

1225
01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:55,360
that value for us.
And then line 17A

1226
01:39:52,000 --> 01:40:00,000
is what a minimum tax rate could be. So
to achieve

1227
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:05,480
those two numbers up above, we would
have to at least start in this case at

1228
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,480
$13.58.

1229
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:10,960
Um, and
>> that that hits the 6 million

1230
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:16,000
» 393.
>> Yes. Yeah.

1231
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:21,119
» And then we could not go higher than
>> 1426.

1232
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:27,199
That's right. So in this case, after
consultation with Joet and Rebecca, we

1233
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:32,880
decided that 1363 was the the number
that we were comfortable moving forward

1234
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:36,880
with. Um, if you you couldn't really do
a direct comparison to the last tax bill

1235
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:43,280
because that was a half year and that
was a $6 and something mil rate. But if

1236
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:49,360
you go back one year, um, that was
$12.96

1237
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:57,520
uh per $1,000 of value. And so it was
quite a shift to have to go up to 1363.

1238
01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:01,920
» Um line 19 is the tax for commitment. So
that takes in line line number three

1239
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:10,199
from the front page and that's
multiplied by the millway that was

1240
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:10,199
chosen in line 18.

1241
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:20,639
And then line 20 says we've looked at,
you know, line 15 and we've multiplied

1242
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:25,639
it by the 5% and so you could raise you
could have an overlay of $319,65966.

1243
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:37,360
I can say in all my years here, we've
never ever come close to having a reason

1244
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:42,560
to raise an overlay of that size. Are
there is is is there a reason are there

1245
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:48,880
places that do overlays that
>> there are people there are

1246
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:52,639
municipalities yes that use that line to
raise some extra funds for things that

1247
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,600
may be needed.
>> Yeah.

1248
01:41:53,199 --> 01:42:00,560
» Um we haven't had to do that. We've been
you know line item budgets and and and

1249
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:05,440
moving forward that way which I think is
you know a good good way to do business.

1250
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:09,199
Um, so
line 21, uh, gets us down to the

1251
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:14,560
reimbursement that we're going to get
back from the state. So you take line 4B

1252
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:21,600
for the homestead, um, reimbursement and
that got multiplied, um, by our $1363.

1253
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:25,080
So from Main Revenue Service, we will
receive $23,410.89

1254
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:34,239
back for um, their share of the
homestead exemption.

1255
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:42,320
Uh line 22 is the better uh
reimbursement. It's figured in the same

1256
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:44,960
manner. Um and we'll receive $397.31.
>> Every little bit helps.

1257
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:51,560
» Every little bit helps.
>> Um and so we got to an overlay of

1258
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,560
$19,531.96.

1259
01:42:52,639 --> 01:43:00,719
So you can see it's quite considerably
less than what the maximum is that we

1260
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:03,719
could have raised.
Yeah.

1261
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:11,280
Incredible.
>> Thank you for going through it. I feel

1262
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:13,920
like, you know,
>> gone, you've gone through it, you know,

1263
01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:18,800
each year I've been on the board and
still I feel like I

1264
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:24,719
» want you to do it every single time.
>> It's a very complicated um formula to to

1265
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:28,639
work within. And so I like to be able to
come here and and make sure that you

1266
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:35,920
guys, you know, understand where we are
with property taxes and and um yeah,

1267
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:38,480
» examples of the big qualifying property.
>> Um so the it's called Betty

1268
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:45,199
» Betty.
>> Um and so I think

1269
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:50,880
do is it I can go get my book, but
either Watermans of the Church has a

1270
01:43:47,920 --> 01:44:00,000
copier that's leased.
So that lease company is exempt. Um, and

1271
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:04,320
possibly the other one is
>> maybe that's

1272
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:07,840
» that's leased. Yep. And so that lease
company has applied for their Betty

1273
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:11,280
exemption.
>> Yeah. And so it's that type of things.

1274
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:14,800
So I think the school might be the other
one.

1275
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:18,320
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just wondering.

1276
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:24,960
» Yep.
Um, I guess the only thing I would

1277
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:29,280
follow up on is I didn't I didn't open
the tax bill. I just put money in the

1278
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:31,920
account where the misses pay it. I
didn't see what was in contained within

1279
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:36,239
it, but
>> you said you were getting a bunch of

1280
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:41,040
calls regarding the change. Yes. To the
fiscal year. Um, so,

1281
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:45,040
» so when you look at your tax bill,
>> it's a hard

1282
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:49,520
» when you look at your tax bill, it now
shows at, as it always did, it shows

1283
01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:53,840
your valuation, it shows the mill rate,
it shows what your tax is.

1284
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:59,199
» It also breaks it, it shows the whole
tax as a number. And then right below

1285
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:02,239
it, it shows um, payment one and payment
two.

1286
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:06,480
» And then at the bottom of the sheet, the
there are two tear offs at the bottom of

1287
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:11,760
the sheet. um with tear off the first
one if you're going to pay just the half

1288
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:15,760
of year payment. And then we're
reminding people that there will not be

1289
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:20,400
a secondary bill go out.
>> Um that it is their responsibility if

1290
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:22,080
they choose to do it in two payments to
know that.

1291
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:26,560
» Um
>> but what was the what was the

1292
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:31,840
communication at the beginning for
taxpayers to know that they could pay it

1293
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:33,440
all at once if so? And the reason for
I'm assuming that there was a

1294
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:39,920
communication
>> there was last last year in July when

1295
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:47,040
tax bills went out. I um created a flyer
saying that we would be working through

1296
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:54,159
this sixyear sixmonth um uh municipal
budget would create a six-month budget

1297
01:45:49,840 --> 01:46:00,560
uh tax bill and um and we explained what
that meant. I have a copy of if you want

1298
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:05,280
to see it. Um, and then we've tried to
do reminders in the North Haven News um,

1299
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:10,800
as well.
>> Um, I didn't put anything as far as an

1300
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:14,400
assessor letter in with this year's tax
bills.

1301
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:17,520
» I honestly thought that communication
had been kind of ongoing and we would be

1302
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:20,400
okay. Um,
>> but you're getting a lot of calls.

1303
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:23,600
» Getting a lot of calls some days at the
whole time I'm here.

1304
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,880
» What are they saying? I just paid my
bill.

1305
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:29,840
» Um, no. They're they're just
>> February.

1306
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:35,280
» Yes. Oh, yeah. I had one person
yesterday who thankfully respects me as,

1307
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:39,520
you know, a community member and an
individual. So, they specifically called

1308
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:44,800
to ask to talk to me about it,
>> which is, you know, my job. So, thank

1309
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:48,960
you. Um, but they thought the town was
trying to

1310
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:54,239
» double bill and they were going to take
their tax bill to their attorney um to

1311
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:58,719
have the attorney make sure that we
weren't doing something that wasn't

1312
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:01,119
above board. And I, you know, was on the
phone for a good 25 minutes with this

1313
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,040
person.
>> Yeah.

1314
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:06,320
» Um,
>> reiterating that this is a process to

1315
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:12,719
shift.
>> Yeah. um not that we are, you know,

1316
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:17,040
trying to, you know, continually tax
people. And then the person wanted to

1317
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:22,000
say, "So, you're telling me I won't get
another tax bill until next July or

1318
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:25,920
August?" And I said, "Well, you know, I
don't have the power to say that because

1319
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:29,360
you know what? I don't have the power to
say yes or no. There will be a town

1320
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:33,360
meeting that may or may not need to
raise money. Will we have to do a

1321
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:37,679
supplemental tax bill at any point?" I
don't have the right to say that. I

1322
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:43,119
would hope not. I would hope that we
would h, you know, not have to do that,

1323
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:46,159
but I can't say I couldn't with a
straight face say, "Oh, you're right."

1324
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:49,679
No, no, there will be no other
>> tax bill.

1325
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:54,960
» The plan is is to
>> That other bill that you hated was

1326
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:58,159
January to June. It was this bill is
July to June.

1327
01:47:56,239 --> 01:48:02,639
» That's right. So, the February bill was
January to June as Christie said. Yeah.

1328
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:08,000
And then this is July 1 to June 30. So,
that we're back on a 12-month period,

1329
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:11,280
right? Um, and with hopes that that's
all anybody will have to see is one

1330
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,639
bill.
>> And we chose the six-month. I mean, many

1331
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:18,320
of you know you were in on those
discussions

1332
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:22,800
» instead of an 18-month bill, which we
could have issued last July.

1333
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:25,440
» Um, I know myself as a taxpayer of three
properties, I wasn't looking forward to

1334
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:28,159
an 18-month bill.
>> That would have been

1335
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:30,880
» um it would have made a lot of hardships
for a lot of people in town doing the

1336
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:34,639
budget.
>> Um,

1337
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:40,560
» yeah. So
>> anyways, we'll continue to feel the

1338
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:45,440
calls. Um people are pleased with the
the response we're giving them.

1339
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:51,679
Do you think like just a posting on the
town site or even the town Facebook page

1340
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:55,600
as just a reminder like that went out
before maybe they'll help you know sort

1341
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:59,199
of follow some of the comments or
something

1342
01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:03,440
» and I yeah I think just reiterating your
past bill was January

1343
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:07,600
» and there's still time again even to
include a little bit in the North Haven

1344
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,880
news again for this next month coming up
too. So

1345
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:13,199
» and I think
>> it might not be a bad idea. I mean, I

1346
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:17,040
had to talk Catherine through it. She's
the one that pays the taxes and she was

1347
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:23,600
like, "We want to spend more."
>> Yeah. And I think it's a good reminder

1348
01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:30,480
to people if you paid half,
the town will not be reissuing you

1349
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:34,000
» because I think that I think that that's
a great thing to remind

1350
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:37,119
» and I just, you know, I also say that,
you know, I choose to pay mine still

1351
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,800
annually because I don't want to forget
paying it in February.

1352
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:43,360
» Right. Right.
>> No. And you know, a lot of people a lot

1353
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:47,440
of people in town have their cash flow
at this time of the year as well. So the

1354
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:49,760
opt I like to say the option is still
there

1355
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:52,800
» for you to pay it annually.
>> But I think it would be a good reminder

1356
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:57,600
to people.
>> I'll get something out in um tomorrow.

1357
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:03,280
» Uh the other thing I feel like you know
I I just want to bring it up and and

1358
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:08,960
there's some of this that feels like it
is within you know your control, our

1359
01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:17,520
control. A lot of it doesn't. I think
the two things that could be good just

1360
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:23,920
forward looking are what our goals are
in terms of budgeting. You know, if

1361
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:28,000
there is a set we would only we would
like to keep our budget, you know,

1362
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:32,400
without an increase to a certain
percentage of an increase. Also having

1363
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:40,000
those conversations with the school I
think could be helpful um just as sort

1364
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:47,920
of a target for our what we are needing
to raise and also you know this is a

1365
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:57,119
very high valuation of the real estate
on Haven that is a as far as I

1366
01:50:52,639 --> 01:51:03,840
understand a lot of that has to do with
what properties are being sold for

1367
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:09,280
current properties and also
>> and we have no control over that.

1368
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:13,440
» What myself and the board of assessors
have control over is making sure that we

1369
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:19,040
are accounting for um building
structures in town

1370
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:23,679
» and that the tax base is um spread
>> equally and and that's what we're taxed

1371
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:27,920
with. We don't have any
>> authority to raise money or anything

1372
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:33,199
like that. We're just here to distribute
the burden.

1373
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:37,452
» And I don't know if it is worth
us

1374
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:43,760
trying to educate
[laughter]

1375
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:53,040
people about if you are if many
properties are being sold for way over

1376
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:58,080
their tax evaluated price. It raises
taxes for everyone.

1377
01:51:55,679 --> 01:52:02,880
» You'd be raising your breath.
>> I mean, anybody in town that's going to

1378
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:05,599
make the decision to sell their property
is going to maximize on their

1379
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:08,239
investments. Yeah.
>> Um,

1380
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:12,719
» but for the most part, and I will say
that that the overwhelming majority of

1381
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:17,599
municipalities throughout the state,
speaking for Maine, is that the the

1382
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:23,199
property tax valuation on a home owner's
property is less than the real estate

1383
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:25,119
value of the the property, too.
>> Yeah.

1384
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:30,960
» The towns, the municipalities, the
cities are always slightly less than

1385
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:33,599
what the market calls for. That's just
like

1386
01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:41,719
» Yeah.
>> Like my home in Portland was worth

1387
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:41,719
$120,000 for the tax. It's sold for 200.

1388
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:51,280
» Okay. Just wanted to say it out loud.
>> I appreciate it.

1389
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:55,199
» All right. Well, thank you, Tammy.
>> You're welcome.

1390
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:59,760
» You're very welcome. And thank you for
taking me out of order. Sorry if it

1391
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:03,840
pushed D and other people further
>> back and but I now I can get on to my

1392
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:10,960
next meeting. [laughter]
>> You guys have a great night.

1393
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:18,800
» Um okay, so uh back to old business uh
EMS uh pium and the rental car moving

1394
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:22,880
forward through the fall. So John,
welcome. Thank you for joining. Um

1395
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,920
» thanks for having me and thanks for
doing the work you guys are doing. It's

1396
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:31,040
good to hear it all.
Um, so we got your print out and I guess

1397
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:37,520
we'll just give you the floor to go
through that with us.

1398
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:43,440
» All right. So, uh, it seemed like it was
a really busy summer. And in fact, it

1399
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:50,800
was. Um, we have done 39 calls to date
in 2026. And for context, we responded

1400
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:56,800
to 41 calls in all of 2025. So we're on
t you we're on track to far exceed um

1401
01:53:54,080 --> 01:54:03,840
the numbers that we've seen in the past.
Um we continue to have uh you know a

1402
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:08,639
staffing ch very serious staffing
challenge that in

1403
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:14,320
the current phase is actually worse than
it was over the co course of the summer.

1404
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:19,520
Um Sophie Hansen and I have both gone
back to work on the mainland and the

1405
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:24,239
other crew uh one of the members is more
limited medically than they've been in

1406
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:28,800
the past or they will be. Uh and based
on that I'm proposing that at a minimum

1407
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:32,719
that we continue this program through
Indigenous People's Day. As we talked

1408
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:36,880
about at your last meeting
I ran the numbers so we knew what that

1409
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:43,440
would the financial impact of that would
be. Um the top section there, if you're

1410
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:51,000
looking at the same document I am, are
the numbers we budgeted for for this

1411
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:51,000
time period. We budgeted for uh $6,465.

1412
01:54:51,119 --> 01:55:00,000
Um and the cost to run to continue to
run um this program with bringing in

1413
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:03,239
PDMS for that same period of time will
be $15,235.

1414
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:11,280
um to work to offset those increased
costs. We sent out a fundraising appeal.

1415
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:16,000
Unfortunately, I don't have updated
numbers. I've been crazy busy in these

1416
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:19,679
last couple of days with my day job. Um
and I didn't reach out to Joette to get

1417
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:26,000
updated numbers, but when I did reach
out to her on the 27th, the appeal had

1418
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:30,000
already brought in $7,450.
Um and we anticipate that number is

1419
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:35,280
going to go up.
Um, one of the

1420
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:39,520
things we're working on to bolster our
ranks is we've planned a wilderness

1421
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:45,760
first aid training later in this fall
that Mina Bavix is going to teach. Um,

1422
01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:49,440
several of our ambulance operators and
also firefighters are going to take that

1423
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:56,000
class. It is not an EMS certification
class, but it's an initial medical

1424
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:59,040
training class that hopefully gets some
more folks interested in in doing this

1425
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:04,719
work.
Um, and secondary to that, we are also

1426
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:08,719
running an emergency vehicle operators
course. Both of those are kind of entry-

1427
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:12,159
level things to just get more people
into our into our systems. And the f

1428
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:17,199
some of the folks that are already in
our systems, who've begun to volunteer,

1429
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:20,239
don't yet have uh emergency vehicle
operator certification, which is

1430
01:56:18,719 --> 01:56:26,400
required of them in the first six months
of their um their service. Um, and or

1431
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:30,639
they don't have first aid training. So,
it's good news that folks have stepped

1432
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:36,719
up to do both of those things. Um, but
this is a slow process. Um, and we

1433
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:42,000
continue to be, you know, operating in
crisis mode.

1434
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:48,080
» Question about the um the first aid
training. Do you have a max number of

1435
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:51,760
people that can take that class?
>> You know, I I'm sorry. I don't know the

1436
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:56,080
answer to that. I don't. Um it's
something that's going to be put on by

1437
01:56:53,599 --> 01:57:00,880
through solo stone open learning
opportunities in New Hampshire. Um I

1438
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:04,960
unfortunately I don't know the max
number for it

1439
01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:08,560
» but but you know you currently have 12
but that doesn't mean it can only be 12.

1440
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:12,480
There might be opportunity for more
people to do it

1441
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:17,679
» if they absolutely
>> and um how are you advertising?

1442
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:21,760
» So so far we've just reached out to
these two crews. Um, so that's that's

1443
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:26,159
where the advertising has been. We
haven't we haven't gone out more broadly

1444
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:30,639
yet. We first wanted to make sure we
could accommodate the folks from the

1445
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:33,920
crews that are um interested in doing
this additional training.

1446
01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:38,880
» Sure.
>> Yeah.

1447
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:46,639
» Um, so hypothetically speaking, John, it
say um last time you talked to Joe 7400

1448
01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:52,320
in the appeal. Um we have a difference
of 15,000

1449
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:58,080
um for the next anticipated four weeks
starting 15.

1450
01:57:54,239 --> 01:58:03,920
» Um not knowing what beyond October 15th
looks like, we could be faced with

1451
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:11,040
having to solidify more funds for PDM
through the rest of the year.

1452
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:17,760
Um, have you looked at the current rate
of stipen expenditures

1453
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:24,400
um that were allocated or any other um
line items within the EMS budget that if

1454
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:30,159
we're down the road as a board forced
into a position where we have to go to

1455
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:37,119
the town for uh reallocation of funds
within the the the budget uh for EMS?

1456
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:43,920
Um, are there other areas such as I'm
looking at the budget book, for example,

1457
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:48,800
training and travel in 2005 was an
$8,000

1458
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:52,080
line item with 2,200 expended that year
and the same amount was budgeted for

1459
01:58:50,880 --> 01:59:00,080
this year,
>> right? So, um, you know, thinking about

1460
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:05,040
some of these line items that
might more than likely are going to end

1461
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:12,400
up, you know, having extra money. So,
that rather than asking for the pulling

1462
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:17,920
of we would if we have to go to a
special company, we would have this

1463
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:25,119
would come from undesated
reserves. So it if there's money in the

1464
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:29,599
undesated funds to use then yes or it
would be a supplemental tax bill

1465
01:59:27,679 --> 01:59:32,719
» which we just talked about.
>> Right.

1466
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:37,920
» Yeah. So trying to avoid a supplemental
tax bill. We have undesated

1467
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:42,000
reserve
that we could pull from with a special

1468
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:46,000
account meeting but then also other we
could also request the moving of money

1469
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:49,840
and other line items. Right.
>> Yeah. Yes.

1470
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:53,840
» Yes. So, I mean, so if he's like, you
know what, we're not doing any training

1471
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:57,280
this year. I'm not saying that's what's
happening. What I'm saying is we're not

1472
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,840
doing any training this year. That's
$8,000. That actually will make up that

1473
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:03,440
15,
>> right? Yeah.

1474
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:08,080
» So, so we can look at that. Um or yes,
it would be undesated fund. No matter

1475
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:14,320
what like a Disney fund or supplemental
tax bill would have to go to a special

1476
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:22,080
» and within the
within the uh budget book the let's see

1477
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:27,040
I'm just looking at
so the reserve accounts for EMS that's

1478
02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:31,280
different than undesated
>> correct the reserve accounts are set up

1479
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:35,520
for capital improvement projects
>> capital improvement could the could

1480
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:39,679
money be pulled from uh with taxpayer
approval for

1481
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:41,760
» I would have to find out
>> right

1482
02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:45,360
» because if they're what they're set up
for and that's what but yeah with the

1483
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:50,880
taxpayer approval then maybe right
>> but it couldn't just be used for that. I

1484
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:55,920
guess we've got basically six weeks to
think about creatively

1485
02:00:53,760 --> 02:01:01,040
um how and where we're going to
potentially propose to the public to

1486
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:08,480
full full and or move funds to ensure
that there's proper crew coverage until

1487
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:13,760
um July 1. Um I mean we're looking at
you know

1488
02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:18,800
well no the end of the end of the year
right let me get this we just have this

1489
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:29,119
discussion
>> I mean ideally ideal would be that with

1490
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:36,320
training
there would be on island people that

1491
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:39,760
would be able to
take call.

1492
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:47,119
» Yes.
>> With this I mean with this I guess it's

1493
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:55,040
just wilderness first aid training,
>> right? Um, but do you think any of the

1494
02:01:51,920 --> 02:02:02,800
EMTs currently on island would feel
comfortable

1495
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:10,639
if there was one EMT and one wilderness
first aid responder?

1496
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:15,679
Does that feel like enough coverage?
>> I don't know. Can they even Can somebody

1497
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:20,880
with wilderness first aid?
>> So, it's a good question. Um, someone

1498
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:25,119
with wilderness first aid is not, and I
I think I said it earlier, is not going

1499
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:31,280
to have a EMS license. They could serve
with us as a driver. Um, but they can't

1500
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:34,960
administer first aid, you know, direct
first aid care. They can't administer

1501
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:38,639
medical care. They could do the same
things that the driver on the ambulance

1502
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:43,760
could do. Running and getting equipment,
setting up equipment, assisting someone

1503
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:47,199
else doing something. Um, some folks on
the crew are comfortable with, you know,

1504
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:52,639
being on scene with a nurse
practitioner, a single EMT and a driver.

1505
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:56,400
Um, I wouldn't say that that's an
expectation we want to create for people

1506
02:02:54,880 --> 02:03:00,560
that that's the kind of scene that
they're going to be on.

1507
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:06,080
Um, I just want to acknowledge it is a
tough situation and I think we're we're

1508
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:12,560
you know slowly
going to be working slowly are you know

1509
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:16,880
working towards solutions. Um,
and a first aid class is is part of that

1510
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:20,320
and hopefully we can inspire some folks
as you I don't know if you were one of

1511
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:25,440
those folks Amelia back in the day who
went to solo for three weeks and took a

1512
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:29,360
wilderness EMT class. Don't call me out
about my letting my license lapse.

1513
02:03:27,599 --> 02:03:33,679
» I'm I'm not. But I'm saying like it's a
it's a quick way to get folks up to

1514
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:38,560
speed if they're a young person who has
some bandwidth in their life to do

1515
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:42,679
something cool for a month um to get
that training to get up to speed.

1516
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:51,360
» Um John, have you
tried looking for any grants?

1517
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:56,880
» I haven't.
>> Okay. I just a little bit of a search

1518
02:03:54,560 --> 02:04:00,480
and I'll do a little bit more of a
search

1519
02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:04,880
» um because it looks like there there
might be grant [clears throat] search

1520
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:11,199
for the first responder organizations
and there are a bunch listed and

1521
02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:13,920
I mean it's it's it's a compelling in
other words it's a compelling argument.

1522
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:16,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I wonder

1523
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:21,119
» there are a couple of organizations like
maybe the that you probably know of

1524
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:24,320
better than I do Christie who are you
know supportive of that that sort of

1525
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:29,920
thing.
>> Um it's a good it's a good point. We did

1526
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:34,719
we did have two rounds of funding from
mains um not this year but the previous

1527
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:39,040
two years that helped us to build out
the program that we have right now. Um

1528
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:44,239
and those were focused on sustainability
and specifically supporting stipens

1529
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:47,199
specifically supporting um salary for
folks.

1530
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:51,040
» Was do you know was that EMS
stabilization grant program?

1531
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:56,320
» Yes. Yeah, that's what it was.
>> Okay. Okay. I'll just I'll I'll meander

1532
02:04:54,960 --> 02:05:00,560
through some of that stuff. I mean it's
a very

1533
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:05,920
» you have two people who have cancer.
It's a small island.

1534
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:10,320
» Yes. Um, it's hopefully a not a forever
kind of thing.

1535
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:14,719
» It's what a foundation might like to do.
>> Yes, agreed.

1536
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:17,840
» And now we'll pass it on to our grant
writer if you were find some stuff for

1537
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:22,106
us.
>> Okay.

1538
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:24,126
» I think it's me. I don't know.
>> [laughter]

1539
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:36,880
» So today I'm just asking for this
interim support for this next phase. Um

1540
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:39,280
and realizing that we're, you know, in a
situation where we're going to be

1541
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:42,159
needing to be doing things like what
you're suggesting, looking at the

1542
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:46,800
training line and saying, "Okay, folks,
this is not the year for all of us to go

1543
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:50,320
off to a conference and, you know, ask
to have spend a night in a hotel in

1544
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:53,520
Portland and have our meals taken for.
Maybe this is the year that we do a

1545
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:58,480
pause on that so that we can free up
funds from other parts of our our

1546
02:05:55,119 --> 02:06:03,360
budget. Um while at the same time making
sure that we're supporting folks to who

1547
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:07,040
are in the trenches to to do that work.
>> Yeah.

1548
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:10,400
» John, could you work with uh Matt on on
looking for grants?

1549
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:12,400
» Sure.
>> Okay.

1550
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:18,040
» Matt, are you okay with that?
>> Happy to help.

1551
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:18,040
» All right. Awesome. Awesome.

1552
02:06:19,119 --> 02:06:22,960
of public.
>> So,

1553
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:24,880
» Rebecca, would you be able to connect us
via email after this meeting or

1554
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:29,599
tomorrow?
>> Uh, sure can. Absolutely.

1555
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:37,679
» Perfect. Thank you.
>> Um, so do we need some sort of a motion

1556
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:44,320
for this um
week perium um

1557
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:48,320
expenditure or is this
or everything is already in the budget

1558
02:06:46,639 --> 02:06:51,679
that can cover this for the time being?
and I will be faced with

1559
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:55,760
» so potentially
>> and I don't know the conversations

1560
02:06:53,440 --> 02:07:01,599
you've had with uh Joet John so forgive
me with that but I mean

1561
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:08,159
» there is a deficit and it is not in the
budget so I mean you guys could approve

1562
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:13,199
to move forward um with um the pdium
shifts through um what I October what

1563
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:16,800
was the date
>> October 15th

1564
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:20,440
» October 15th
>> and Um,

1565
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:27,840
and you can say continuing to use the um
the special funds for now,

1566
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:32,719
» right?
>> Yes.

1567
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:37,679
» Yeah. So, so there there are there is
that additional $8,000 in special funds

1568
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:41,520
if had if that had to be used over this
time period.

1569
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:44,639
That's one thing that I don't have or
that we don't have before us with the

1570
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:51,520
numbers. I don't.
>> So, right now he's got the $7,450,

1571
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:55,040
» right? But we have the $15,000.
>> Yeah. So, he would need the Yeah. the

1572
02:07:53,199 --> 02:07:56,400
$7,785,
>> right?

1573
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:00,560
» Yeah.
>> But this doesn't solve the problem, does

1574
02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:05,920
it? We just keep this. No, we're just
taking

1575
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:11,199
we have six weeks to like before the
next phase where we have to like think

1576
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:16,159
creatively about how we're going to pull
from here, pull from there in order to

1577
02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:23,040
to make this work. until because even in
this in the six weeks or getting even

1578
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:28,159
through the first aid class in November,
if that does enlist somebody that's

1579
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:31,920
interested in becoming an EMT, that to
go from the November training and then

1580
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:36,639
to become an EMT is still months down
the road. So,

1581
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:40,560
» I mean, we're going to be looking at DM
coverage here. I guess the one thing,

1582
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:46,159
you know, thinking creatively like
working with Matt on the grants um and

1583
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:50,079
thinking about what areas of the budget
could sort of take a pause for the rest

1584
02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:57,119
of the year in case we have to ask the
town to approval to move line items.

1585
02:08:52,960 --> 02:09:02,880
» Yeah. And then um you know being really
proactive with some sort of campaign on

1586
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:07,360
behalf of EMS within the public about
soliciting new members to try and get

1587
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:10,800
some people there. I'm not on any social
media so forgive me if you already have

1588
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:18,239
done that. I don't really pay attention
to those platforms but that avenue. Um

1589
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:24,000
and then also the pdium the the wide
range of pdiums that have worked on

1590
02:09:20,639 --> 02:09:29,840
North Haven over the past two months if
there's anybody um within that groups

1591
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:35,679
that would be interested in taking on in
the off season like longer um stays on

1592
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:40,320
North Haven.
Then we can try and think creatively

1593
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:44,719
about a potential like place for them to
stay, you know, so they're not stuck up

1594
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:49,920
in the, you know, at the public safety
building might be more enticing. Like

1595
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:54,159
» I might have something in the off season
that

1596
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:59,679
» could possibly work out. Um, things of
that nature to sort of try to elicit

1597
02:09:56,639 --> 02:10:03,360
like more consistent, you know, couple
of people rather than a mix of people

1598
02:10:02,079 --> 02:10:07,199
like you had in the summer. I don't know
if that would be a possibility as well,

1599
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:11,360
but
>> that doesn't take away the overall cost

1600
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:14,880
of having the perm, but it at least
creates a little bit more stability for

1601
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:18,079
the crew having,
>> you know,

1602
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:23,360
» a smaller number of perms that are
working with the island.

1603
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:29,199
» You know, the number it's a it's a good
thought and um

1604
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:34,560
that number of folks is is less this
September round. We've only scheduled

1605
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:37,840
out through September 15th, but um
because several of the folks are kids

1606
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:42,079
who are, you know, they're kids, they're
young adults who are in college and so

1607
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:47,280
they have much more limited bandwidth um
over the course of the over the course

1608
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:51,119
of the school year.
>> So, I think like first steps would be

1609
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:54,719
looking for I mean you're you're
continuing, you know, the fundraising,

1610
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:59,360
but look working with Matt to try to
find grant money to hopefully get us

1611
02:10:56,480 --> 02:11:04,079
through this year. If not, then like you
said, there's still a problem and it

1612
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:09,440
would probably be a special town meeting
to make sure that the island's covered,

1613
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:14,480
» right? But I think with also, you know,
looking at those different line items,

1614
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:20,560
can we pull from some different ones,
looking for grants, but ultimately how

1615
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:23,440
do we get people trained and on the
further

1616
02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:27,599
» which I know you're doing your due
diligence, but I think for us, you know,

1617
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:31,679
encouraging people to
>> Yeah.

1618
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:36,840
» And Kenny's idea of seeing if any of the
want to do a longer term

1619
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:36,840
» Yeah.

1620
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:44,800
All good thoughts.
>> Yeah. And if they want to work in a

1621
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:49,840
preschool and [laughter]
I I I have a position for them

1622
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:52,320
» and a transfer station.
>> Yeah. [laughter] Transfer station. We're

1623
02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:57,920
all set.
>> Oh, you are. All right.

1624
02:11:55,440 --> 02:12:03,679
John, while you're here, can um what can
you speak to um with the money that's in

1625
02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:10,320
the reserve account for um
infrastructure and um you know projects

1626
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:16,000
down the road that EMS is sort of
preparing for. There's a fairly large

1627
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:19,920
amount of money there and we don't know
yet. Beck would have to look into it to

1628
02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:27,280
see if that's even possible to use it
with count approval for dipens. But um

1629
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:32,719
what what is that money being set aside
for and thinking about is that something

1630
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:36,960
that can be pushed a little further down
the road than anticipated and utilize

1631
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:41,760
some of that funds to get us through
into the next budget cycle. Um

1632
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:49,599
» it's $85,000.
>> That's an interesting idea. The the that

1633
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:54,639
account is typically used um I think we
used to call it a syncing fund. It used

1634
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:58,960
to be a scing fund for the purchase of a
replacement ambulance when we do that.

1635
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:02,320
Um I think the ambulance that we
purchased just a couple years ago we

1636
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:08,320
moved when we were able to because we
moved into a larger building. Um came in

1637
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:13,920
at much less than the cost of purchasing
a new vehicle. So this one I think is

1638
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:19,760
about 10 years old. Um, and so we were
left with still a fairly significant

1639
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:24,880
amount in the reserve fund after even
after making that purchase. So that's

1640
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:31,440
one thing that we think about down the
road. And then the real major purchases

1641
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:35,280
for the EMS crew or the
beyond the ongoing per, you know,

1642
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:40,960
purchasing of supplies that expire
whether we use them or not. um is we

1643
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:46,400
have two life packs which are the
defibrillator monitors which are highly

1644
02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:50,560
sophisticated medical equipment um that
can range in price from $40 to $60,000

1645
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:55,520
depending on the features that we have
with those. So those are major items,

1646
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:58,880
one of which is relatively new, one of
which is older, but they're all updated

1647
02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:02,400
that we use, you know, we use them
interchangeable. We don't consider one

1648
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:06,400
as a backup because they're they're both
programmed the same way. Um, but one is

1649
02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:12,079
getting towards the end of its service
life. And the other thing is our powered

1650
02:14:09,599 --> 02:14:16,560
cot is a, you know, $50,000 piece of
equipment that, um, again, it's

1651
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:20,880
relatively new. Um, we have a a
maintenance contract with it. No

1652
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:24,800
anticipated need uh for quite a while
with that as well. So that might be that

1653
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:30,880
tabbing to that fund might be something
to think about. Well, so and that that's

1654
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:36,719
also where you and and Matt thinking
creatively about grant um looking into

1655
02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:41,679
potential grants where if if we are
legally allowed to pull from this to

1656
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:46,480
move it towards stipens and there were
grants available for equipment such as

1657
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:51,360
that then that kind of puts the EMS at
ease that okay if we're going to shift

1658
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:55,760
from the reserve account that's you know
thinking about those items

1659
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:59,920
» if we can get those items purchased this
preemptively with a grant, then we would

1660
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:05,199
feel a little more comfortable to be
able to shift that money full legally.

1661
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:09,119
» I like But yeah, I just think that
there, you know, like to Charlie's point

1662
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:12,719
that we're currently sort of kicking the
can down the road and it's going to

1663
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:17,520
eventually it's going to, you know,
we're going to catch up to it or we try

1664
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:22,079
and really make the moves now over the
next six weeks until October 15th to

1665
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:27,360
come up with some ideas about how we're
going to continue to fund this until we

1666
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:32,480
get more of a crew. Um,
>> that's, you know, we have to do.

1667
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:38,159
» Spot on.
Thanks Dave for all your work, creative

1668
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:43,440
thinking, problem solving, and to
everybody on the crew.

1669
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:47,040
» Kind of a crazy summer to be covering,
but

1670
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:53,440
» so we'd need a motion to approve PDM
shifts through October 15th and then the

1671
02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:59,440
approval of the EMS rental car and the
cost did go down to $1,000. Now on so

1672
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:03,679
two separate motions here and then just
to follow up with a rental car would

1673
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:06,480
that
>> fall within the training and travel

1674
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:12,560
line. How is that?
>> We could do under travel. Yes.

1675
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:17,440
» Okay. Yeah. Let's do the one month and
I'll speak with the people I work for to

1676
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:21,440
see if we might utilize vehicle there.
It's an awesome.

1677
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:28,159
» Nice. Thanks for that. Thanks for that
earlier comment as well, Amelia.

1678
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:33,120
Um, okay. Can can I hear a motion in
regards to what?

1679
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:36,120
» I'll make a motion that we uh allocate
15,235

1680
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:45,519
to pay for
October 15.

1681
02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:50,639
» Second.
>> Any more discussion regarding?

1682
02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:55,679
All those in favor?
Okay.

1683
02:16:52,319 --> 02:17:05,200
Um, I'll make a motion to uh expend
$1,000 for um EMS uh car rental for the

1684
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:07,840
period September.
Is that the same time frame?

1685
02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:15,120
» Yes.
>> September 15th to October 15th in the

1686
02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:18,960
amount of $1,000 to PM Automotive.
>> It would probably be $1,500. So, it'll

1687
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:26,080
be a month and a half.
>> Okay. Um motion for a six week period

1688
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:31,719
totaling $1,500
to PM automotive for car rentals per

1689
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:38,319
second.
Any discussion?

1690
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:43,120
All those in favor.
I

1691
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:50,319
» thank you very much, John. Um a lot to
think about. Um I think um if if you

1692
02:17:46,719 --> 02:17:55,840
need any help with um this beside Matt,
the board and Rebecca, please reach out

1693
02:17:52,960 --> 02:18:00,080
um with any ideas and utilize Joette as
a resource and trying to figure out

1694
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:04,399
where you guys could take a pause and
speaking with the crew about, you know,

1695
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:09,040
what you guys are all facing and and
what it puts on the taxpayer for the you

1696
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:12,240
know, the budget.
>> Excellent.

1697
02:18:10,559 --> 02:18:18,800
» Thanks so much you all. Thanks for that.
>> Thank you. Bye. Go ahead.

1698
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:23,120
» Um, can I ask that we um because we
still have three people. We have text

1699
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:32,120
mega, we have Alex Curtis as the harbor
master, and Matt for an update.

1700
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:32,120
» Yes. Okay. Um, all right.

1701
02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:41,760
Oh,
why don't we just why don't we move down

1702
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:46,080
to if nobody objects to employee updates
and we'll start with Matt as the planner

1703
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:50,639
and then we will move into Al as the new
Harvard master for update.

1704
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:56,479
» Any objections?
>> No.

1705
02:18:51,040 --> 02:19:00,800
» Okay. Um Okay, we'll start with Matt.
Matt, you have the floor.

1706
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:04,639
» Excellent.
I was just texting Rebecca that uh I can

1707
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:08,319
see my wife coming home with my children
right now in my Find My app. And as soon

1708
02:19:06,559 --> 02:19:12,399
as they get back, there's a 50-50 chance
the TV gets turned on and completely

1709
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:16,639
destroys my bandwidth. So, we're going
to see how long I can go with uh the

1710
02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:21,200
video. And if it gets real bad, I'll
have to shut the video off. But seems to

1711
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:25,599
be functioning okay right now.
>> Um so, uh just realizing this is

1712
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:29,359
actually the first time I think I've
updated you folks uh since I started.

1713
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:33,679
So, this is probably a pretty good idea.
Um,

1714
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:38,880
just wanted to sort of go over the
projects I was hired to work on and then

1715
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:43,760
talk a little bit about what uh I've
been doing in addition to u those

1716
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:49,920
projects uh and talk a little bit about
the funding um that I've been uh

1717
02:19:47,439 --> 02:19:55,040
bringing in will be bringing in hope to
bring in as well. Uh so I guess backing

1718
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:58,640
up the the four primary tasks and I
think this is more for some of the newer

1719
02:19:56,880 --> 02:20:04,080
board members atification who weren't
around when I was brought on um were for

1720
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:09,760
coordinating the island sewage treatment
plant project um coordination of the

1721
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:14,720
saltwater intrusion project uh helping
with the coordination of the

1722
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:18,080
thoroughfare project and assisting uh in
spearheading the island's comprehensive

1723
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:23,920
plan update.
Um, so for Christy and, uh, Mr. Pingry,

1724
02:20:22,479 --> 02:20:28,000
um, I don't believe I've actually met
you, Mr. Pingry, in person, but, uh,

1725
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:32,240
it's a pleasure. Um, just for your
edification, uh, I've got a couple of

1726
02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:37,600
planning degrees, master's degrees from
URI, USM. I've got a doctorate in marine

1727
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:43,520
science from UMain. Um, I started
working at the state planning office in

1728
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:47,520
2008, I think it was. um where I started
reviewing comprehensive plans, uh

1729
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:51,600
oversaw a number of technical assistance
programs,

1730
02:20:49,439 --> 02:20:55,840
um was appointed deputy director there,
left in 2019. Uh you can only be in

1731
02:20:54,399 --> 02:21:00,160
state government for so long before it
kills you. Uh and then I opened up a

1732
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:04,720
consulting business, which is the
vehicle for which I'm helping you folks.

1733
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:09,200
Um I also designed a 3D printed
shellfish tank um with Oakidge National

1734
02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:13,280
Labs in UI that I use in my shellfish
hatchery down in Harksville. I ran for

1735
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:16,399
and was elected to the Topsson select
board for six years. Served as vice

1736
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:20,000
chair for three of those years. I was
also the co-chair of the Topsson comp

1737
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:22,880
plan update committee, a member of the
conservation commission, the historic

1738
02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:27,359
preservation committee, and the solar
committee. This is before I had my third

1739
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:31,280
child. So, uh, I was able to do a few
more things than I am now. Um, I spent

1740
02:21:29,680 --> 02:21:34,640
two weeks every summer from when I was
born to graduating high school at Kent

1741
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:39,040
Cove. Uh, Bill Moore was a neighbor of
mine. Uh, my parents, excuse me, and

1742
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:43,920
graciously allowed us to experience your
island, albeit for short periods of

1743
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:47,200
time, for an absolute song. Um, my
father's remains are on the island, as

1744
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:51,280
are my sons. I have a very deep
commitment to the success of this

1745
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:54,399
incredibly special place, and given my
lengthy work with the state, a pretty

1746
02:21:52,960 --> 02:22:00,160
deep understanding of the issues that
confront small, rural, isolated coastal

1747
02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:02,880
communities. Um, coincidentally, I
brought my daughters out there for

1748
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:07,840
community days this summer and they are
also enamored uh once they got past the

1749
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:10,640
no internet thing. So, with that said,
uh, happy to answer questions about my

1750
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:17,120
credentials later on, but let's get into
project updates. So, sewage treatment

1751
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:22,479
plants. Uh, this has been an ongoing
project since I first started. Um, been

1752
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:25,439
working with Rebecca to both obtain
funding for the project and to work with

1753
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:31,120
the existing consultants, all of her
associates to keep the ball rolling. Uh

1754
02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:35,680
so bulleted points, coordination with
all of our associates on project design,

1755
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:40,720
including calls, email, zoom, material
review that they generate. Uh developed,

1756
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:45,280
submitted, and successfully received a
state community action grant to help

1757
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:51,200
supplement the
project. I think um I assisted Rebecca

1758
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:55,840
with of congressional earmark material.
Um I know that's a bad word um but

1759
02:22:53,840 --> 02:23:00,240
that's what it is. uh that were chosen
for funding for the project. Um and

1760
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:04,160
continuing to stand by and work with
Oliver as they progress through the

1761
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:08,080
application process with the US EPA,
which is the funding agency that will be

1762
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:12,399
distributing the earmark money. So, all
said,

1763
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:19,120
um I think since I came on, I've been
helping Rebecca with about $4,75,000

1764
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:23,960
worth of uh income um that's not town
tax revenue uh to assist with the

1765
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:32,800
plan
intrusion project been fun because it's

1766
02:23:30,479 --> 02:23:35,680
morphed. Um, this originally started out
as

1767
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:40,720
» you're breaking up. You're breaking up.
You're breaking up.

1768
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:45,040
» You can turn off your camera. But one
thing to add, he did help with the main

1769
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:48,800
infrastructure adaption grant, which is
another $2 million. We haven't found out

1770
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:50,640
yet. If we have received it, we should
find out sometime this month or next

1771
02:23:50,319 --> 02:23:55,359
month.
>> What was that? It's main infrastructure

1772
02:23:52,640 --> 02:24:01,439
adaption grant. Um we requested two
million to help offset some of the

1773
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:04,560
funding uh needs for that project.
Okay.

1774
02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:05,840
» Um sorry forgot about that. You
>> hear me?

1775
02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:12,080
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Thanks.

1776
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:17,200
» All right. So saltwater intrusion. Um
this has morphed. Uh originally it was a

1777
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:21,520
fairly straightforward project as uhme
which is the consultant that was hired

1778
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:27,040
before I was brought on to develop a
solution to prevent salt water from

1779
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:31,920
going up in a fresh pond uh during uh
king tides or severe storm events. Um

1780
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:37,280
that was already moving forward pretty
quickly. Uh we had a meeting I guess it

1781
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:42,640
was maybe in the spring withme and a
number of um butters uh and adjacent

1782
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:47,840
homeowners who were interested in trying
to figure out a way to incorporate fish

1783
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:52,479
passage um in particular awife passage
into the solution that was developed

1784
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:58,000
byme. Uh clearly this is going to cost a
little bit more money. Um the group was

1785
02:24:54,880 --> 02:25:05,600
quite adamant about doing it and I it's
a admirable goal. Uh so uh this past

1786
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:10,160
August, yeah, I guess it was last month,
um I put together a well actually no, I

1787
02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:15,600
put together a pre-application in June
uh that the state of Maine Department of

1788
02:25:12,319 --> 02:25:19,920
Marine Resources endorsed uh and decided
to sponsor for the Maine Outdoor

1789
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:25,439
Heritage Fund. Uh so we just submitted a
final application to the fund um in the

1790
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:32,240
middle of August August 20th uh last
month and this will supplement the

1791
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:36,800
existing work going on out there um in
terms of covert replacement installing

1792
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:42,080
clappers to to prevent saltwater
intrusion um with a fish passage

1793
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:47,520
solution uh that
we'll get design plans for. Um,

1794
02:25:45,359 --> 02:25:52,560
construction funding is going to be a
another thing, but um, we'll at least be

1795
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:55,840
able to incorporate and sort of tag on
to the existing project. So, it won't be

1796
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:59,920
as expensive as going out and hiring a
brand new consultant just to do this.

1797
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:04,000
Uh, it'll be uh, supplemental funding.
Uh, so that I think all said was around

1798
02:26:02,479 --> 02:26:11,040
$94,500
worth of uh, non- tax revenue coming in.

1799
02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:14,080
» And that was for the that was for the
design.

1800
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:17,040
» Yes. For some letter. That's for the
design of the saltwater intrusion. But

1801
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:20,080
then now we have to try and find the
money for the construction.

1802
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:23,200
» Construction
>> construction is a separate angle. Yeah.

1803
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:28,240
The the final plans haven't even been
completed yet. Um the the impetus for

1804
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:35,120
this this fist passage I always
pronounce this correctly. fish passage

1805
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:41,840
uh application was uh essentially the
theme Jeff Reed uh the engineer was um

1806
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:47,680
presenting final plans for
um the saltwater intrusion prevention uh

1807
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:53,760
and um some of the stakeholders involved
uh flagged the potential for trying to

1808
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:58,160
add fish passage to the final plans
because now is is the time to do it.

1809
02:26:56,080 --> 02:27:01,680
Strike while the iron's hot. So,
>> yes. Yes. And no, I'm aware. I'm aware

1810
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:07,439
of that. I just was trying to understand
what that money was for and then then we

1811
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:08,479
have to find money for um the actual
work.

1812
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:11,359
» Yes.
>> Yep. Correct.

1813
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:15,200
» To apply for grants for construction,
you have to have like uh you have to

1814
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:20,080
have the design. Sure. So,
>> Matt, can I follow up on the saltwater

1815
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:26,640
intrusion project? Um so, I
>> uh spoke with Rebecca um and Aaron Kat

1816
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:31,600
as the road commissioner. he and I spoke
and I think he may have mentioned some

1817
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:38,560
things to Rebecca as well about this
design. Um, so just just to put a like

1818
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:42,960
two bugs in your ear about this project.
One, the first the first thing that sort

1819
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:48,479
of or something that recently came to my
mind when I was thinking about this

1820
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:52,160
project is um if you and I'm assuming
probably not the engineers, it's not

1821
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:56,560
really their job. They're designing the
culbert, the passage and the saltwater

1822
02:27:53,760 --> 02:28:01,840
intrusion components. But it seems
though it would be a good idea to

1823
02:27:58,479 --> 02:28:05,840
communicate with um any relevant
agencies within the state whether that's

1824
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:09,600
inland fisheries department you know
department of environmental protection

1825
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:15,600
about
if it's even something that the

1826
02:28:12,319 --> 02:28:20,640
community should consider having a clear
path for ale wives and other species to

1827
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:26,880
enter into the fresh pond considering
that it's our water source. Um, I think

1828
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:33,040
having an answer to that if if any
agencies within the state have concern

1829
02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:37,280
about that, um, because I know a lot of
other fish passages, they go up into

1830
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:43,680
rivers and streams that aren't
necessarily um, uh, water reservoirs for

1831
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:49,600
the municipalities in the area.
um that kind of came to my mind like do

1832
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:54,479
do we really know that this would be of
benefit or would it be a detriment to

1833
02:28:52,080 --> 02:29:00,160
our freshwater supply and the other
component and and it might be a day late

1834
02:28:57,439 --> 02:29:04,720
and a dollar short here on the idea but
in terms of the engineering idea um

1835
02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:13,120
Aaron cabin as the room commissioner and
I talked about a simple concrete um

1836
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:18,319
um sort of catchment on both the fresh
pond and um or mainly on the on the

1837
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:24,160
fresh pond side of the culbert where the
culbert went into a concrete catchment

1838
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:28,479
and that had a manual um operating gate
that could be lowered and raised during

1839
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:34,080
these potential storms. So that
basically you'd have a culvert that's

1840
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:39,600
open to the stream and the pond. So, it
would allow free passage and that the

1841
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:44,319
gate would simply only be closed when
um there was a potential storm coming

1842
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:50,640
and that that gate would be locked and
only available to be controlled by at

1843
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:53,680
select board order through the um you
know the water superintendent or

1844
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:58,880
something of that nature or the road
commissioner himself. Um those are just

1845
02:29:55,840 --> 02:30:04,000
my uh two thoughts on that particular
project.

1846
02:30:00,640 --> 02:30:09,760
That'd be too simple.
Kenny, to your second point, um that the

1847
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:15,600
uh manual opening closing is actually
part of the scope of work for the MOHF

1848
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:20,160
funded um portion of this. So, the
supplemental funding we put into the

1849
02:30:17,040 --> 02:30:22,640
outdoor heritage fund that's in uh
scope. Um

1850
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:26,800
» okay,
>> I think uh Mr. Kat had made that pretty

1851
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:31,439
clear during that meeting actually that
um that that manual operation uh option

1852
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:36,560
would be something he'd be interested
in. So um that is included in the scope.

1853
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:40,640
I think to your first point about
agencies that's very valid. Um I will

1854
02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:45,200
say that DMR
has read this and is the sponsoring

1855
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:48,640
agency like um towns can't directly
apply to this funding. You have to go

1856
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:51,920
through a state agency to apply for
outdoor heritage fund and they have to

1857
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:55,200
read your application. The commissioner
has to endorse it and sign it. So I

1858
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:59,359
would like to think that if they had an
issue they would have brought it up but

1859
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:04,080
it doesn't hurt to ask. So, I will
definitely bring that up. Um, with your

1860
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:07,760
permission, of course.
>> I think it would be good to know if

1861
02:31:05,359 --> 02:31:13,040
there's any concern about introducing or
reintroducing, if you will, um,

1862
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:20,000
navigable species of fish into the fresh
pond um, since it's a water source.

1863
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:25,359
But yeah, okay, thank you for the update
on saltwater

1864
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:31,600
intrusion.
>> Moving on to thoroughfare.

1865
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:37,280
Uh so this has been a fairly large and
amorphous project as well. Um most of my

1866
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:43,520
work here has been involved with
searching for funding uh coordinating

1867
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:48,560
calls, participating in calls, number of
site visits, um uh talking to impacted

1868
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:54,800
stakeholders from Browns, Hopkins, the
casino, uh coordination with the ferry

1869
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:58,960
service, uh and coordination, um both in
public and in internal calls with the

1870
02:31:56,640 --> 02:32:02,640
Musen Group, uh and their partners who
are the primary consultants on this

1871
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:07,760
project who are doing the design work.
um and all the the draft changes. Um I

1872
02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:11,359
will also add I attended and cooked for
the public meeting at the public safety

1873
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:19,200
building. Uh that was I think my first
official duty um as planner. Uh and this

1874
02:32:15,439 --> 02:32:24,319
project um which is moving forward uh is
uh also the impetus for the pulpit

1875
02:32:22,319 --> 02:32:29,280
harbor project that I will be talking
about later on in my report. Um, but

1876
02:32:27,359 --> 02:32:34,080
this was sort of a the Pop Harbor thing
was sort of an offshoot um after a

1877
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:38,240
walkthrough of the the terminal with uh
some other uh previous select board

1878
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:41,200
members.
Rebecca, you have anything to add to

1879
02:32:39,359 --> 02:32:47,040
that? I think that's I mean it's I don't
want to say it's on autopilot, but Musen

1880
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:53,680
and company have uh I think been a
little more responsive as of late SSGI.

1881
02:32:49,680 --> 02:33:00,160
Um and uh yeah, it's moving forward and
>> yeah, we're in the finals. So, they will

1882
02:32:55,359 --> 02:33:06,800
be doing a uh presentation of a um like
a final comprehensive uh plan draft um

1883
02:33:04,319 --> 02:33:11,040
at the 16th meeting. Our grant ends the
end of September. We requested an

1884
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:14,399
extension. We have not been advised that
we got an extension. I reached out and

1885
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:19,760
they said they haven't heard anything.
So, we need to complete the project. So,

1886
02:33:16,479 --> 02:33:25,600
they'll present at the 16th meeting. Um
again, it's a comprehensive plan um or

1887
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:31,359
conceptual design. um which means that
in the next phase it can change. This is

1888
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:36,880
just the information that we've gathered
so far and the ideas that have come up.

1889
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:41,920
They've met with D. They will update the
select board at the 16th on everything

1890
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:46,000
and provide that conceptual design. Um,
so that is where we're at and then they

1891
02:33:44,319 --> 02:33:50,399
will take the notes or feedback from the
select board and any public that attends

1892
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:56,880
and
if they can update and then give us that

1893
02:33:54,800 --> 02:34:01,680
by the end of September since that's not
the grand.

1894
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:08,000
» Okay. Um well there was a meeting a few
days ago with Hopkins Waterman's and the

1895
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:15,200
casino and
they're all feeling a little bit like

1896
02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:20,720
what what wondering what's going on and
um I actually just wrote an email today

1897
02:34:18,399 --> 02:34:24,399
to that there was going to be
representatives from each of them that

1898
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:31,280
we wanted to meet with you and sick to
Rebecca and say you know where where do

1899
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:37,359
they and and um you know just improving
communication about what's

1900
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:42,000
» so we just had meetings um I mean with I
mean we just had meetings in July um and

1901
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:46,800
it takes time so we met with Browns
after that we met with the casino after

1902
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:50,880
that and [clears throat] um met with D
so we need time to get it all together

1903
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:54,240
and then um once I have it I will get it
out to all the stakeholders to the

1904
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:58,240
public so they can attend the meeting on
the 16th. Okay.

1905
02:34:55,840 --> 02:35:01,040
» So the 16th of September will be the the
final sort of

1906
02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:05,359
» conceptual design.
>> Conceptual design here because the

1907
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:08,399
funding window runs out at the end of
September. So

1908
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:13,200
» if
major changes aren't requested then it

1909
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:15,840
would be sort of tweaking that design
and then

1910
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:20,960
» yeah so I mean again it's just
conceptual. So it's just an idea of so

1911
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:25,520
going into the next phase for funding.
So we have this conceptual design. these

1912
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:29,040
are things we're looking at. But any of
it can be be changed. I mean, right,

1913
02:35:27,680 --> 02:35:33,040
» you know, meeting with the state, you
met the state a couple times, you know,

1914
02:35:31,359 --> 02:35:37,920
they don't even have it on their radar
yet. So things would end up I mean,

1915
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:43,120
there will be changes to it. Yeah. I
guess that's the thing that that we as a

1916
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:49,120
group are a little frustrated about
because it all depends on the state.

1917
02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:52,560
» I mean, so what are we you know, we have
to get someone from the state to be

1918
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:57,600
paying attention to this. So we have had
meetings with the state. Um but again

1919
02:35:55,040 --> 02:36:02,240
it's not a part of their capital plans
here within the next few years. So if we

1920
02:36:00,319 --> 02:36:06,399
can come up with the conceptual design
and take it to the state. I mean they

1921
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:13,200
did meet with D. D liked the design.
There were some a little bit of feedback

1922
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:17,760
um in regards to a few changes but I
mean it but there also needs to be not

1923
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:21,840
just the states. there needs to be
individual agreements with each one of

1924
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:25,600
those private property owners and the
town. So there's a lot of work to do and

1925
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:31,120
a lot a lot you know the next phase I
think would be more narrowing down those

1926
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:36,080
agreements and like a final design right
but the first thing is if the state is

1927
02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:41,280
going to raise the parking lot four feet
that is going to influence anything else

1928
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:44,080
that's going to happen.
>> So the three feet you mean?

1929
02:36:42,880 --> 02:36:48,479
» I thought it was four feet but
>> no it's it's three feet. So that a part

1930
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:51,920
of conceptual design is that what they
need to raise, what Hawkins need to

1931
02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:56,479
raise, what you need to raise. So one of
the designs that they showed at the

1932
02:36:54,080 --> 02:37:00,800
presentation in July actually gave each
one of the buildings what they need to

1933
02:36:58,399 --> 02:37:04,080
be raised up. And so it did include all
of them. No, I know, but if Okay. Well,

1934
02:37:03,359 --> 02:37:07,680
what if
>> Well,

1935
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:10,319
the state but we don't know what the
state's going to do. We don't know what

1936
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:15,200
the state's going to do. I think we have
to make some noise and and say to the

1937
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:18,399
state, "No, we're not going to wait for
you to get around to us. We need to know

1938
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:20,399
this."
>> Well, the state isn't going to fund

1939
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:23,200
this.
>> No, I know

1940
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:27,359
» the federal government isn't either. So,
I don't know why we spent all this time

1941
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:31,680
on it, but I truth. Well, the way the
way that I the way that I see this

1942
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:36,560
project is I see both perspectives here,
but the the conceptual design much to

1943
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:41,120
like Rebecca said, like having the
conceptual design is the the most

1944
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:45,520
important first step in the process to
be able to show the state or relevant

1945
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:49,920
agencies that potentially provide a
grant to the community to pursue such a

1946
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:54,960
large project. like we're not going to
be able to get any grant funding or any

1947
02:37:51,760 --> 02:37:57,280
support from any outside agencies to do
this project if we have nothing,

1948
02:37:56,720 --> 02:38:01,040
» right?
>> So like we have a conceptual design that

1949
02:37:59,359 --> 02:38:06,000
can be changed down the road like our
window is closing with the money that we

1950
02:38:02,960 --> 02:38:12,720
got to per to build this design
>> instead of instead of the community sort

1951
02:38:09,359 --> 02:38:17,609
of being at odds and like arguing about
the the design which can be changed when

1952
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:21,600
the process actually happens down the
[clears throat] road. embrace the design

1953
02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:26,080
so we have a document that's at the
ready so that when we find relative

1954
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:29,600
grants that actually pertain to
something of this nature we say hey look

1955
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:33,760
we've got this we're going to be at the
top of the list and like yes I don't

1956
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:38,000
disagree that we need to keep this on
state agency radars but to Rebecca's

1957
02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:42,479
point and this is where I've always fell
in line with Charlie is that there's so

1958
02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:48,160
many private land owners in this project
that like to actually like to make this

1959
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:52,960
all happen it's going to be the Next
phase after a conceptual design is going

1960
02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:58,479
to be able to solidify all the legal
components of people saying yes, we will

1961
02:38:55,600 --> 02:39:03,840
allow the town through this agency or
that agency to make these changes to my

1962
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:07,840
property or to changes to water. What's
waterman's board going to say about

1963
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:09,760
traffic driving behind water? You know,
it's like a huge

1964
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:14,319
» no
>> idea shift for the community. And I

1965
02:39:12,720 --> 02:39:21,120
think that just simply getting through
the process, finalizing a conceptual

1966
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:29,520
design is like we're we're so close.
>> Okay. But I'm just I'm just telling you

1967
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:33,280
all that the the people the casino
Hopkins Waterman's Browns I know

1968
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:38,560
Rebecca's saying that there have been
meetings, but they don't feel that the

1969
02:39:35,920 --> 02:39:44,240
communication has been enough. And I'm
just wondering does it make sense to

1970
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:48,720
have this GEI meeting as part of the
select board meeting or should there be

1971
02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:52,399
a special meeting for it?
>> I don't just let me know why you don't

1972
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:55,040
think it could be a select board
meeting.

1973
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:58,319
» Oh, I just think it could be a big
conversation that goes on for a long

1974
02:39:56,479 --> 02:40:02,080
time and that it might be better to have
a dedicated meeting for it. I mean,

1975
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:07,280
» yeah, there'll be lots of people. I
mean, look at the group that was here

1976
02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:10,880
the last time we talked about this. the
you know the I would say the

1977
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:15,760
conservationness
in town or the environmental is in town

1978
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:18,080
where
you know

1979
02:40:16,319 --> 02:40:21,520
» oh about the green the green in green
space really I mean there's more green

1980
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:26,560
space in the plan right now but green
space is just such a minor thing with

1981
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:29,600
the conceptual design we could add green
space in final design so that's like

1982
02:40:28,720 --> 02:40:35,920
yeah
>> they were they were upset about the the

1983
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:39,280
kind of peer solid peers that we're
going to put And then the wies that were

1984
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:45,040
going to pin that and then that was
going to impact the other things

1985
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:48,560
» and adding parking changing the whole
>> Yeah. So then they'll go over that in

1986
02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:53,280
the meeting with their discussions with
D because D did have some feedback on

1987
02:40:51,680 --> 02:40:59,840
that.
>> So so the the 16th. So should we

1988
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:03,840
maybe when we get to the calendar at the
end of the meeting we can discuss it. We

1989
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:07,680
should I I agree with you that there is
going to be and like Travis said,

1990
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:11,840
there's going to be people here and it's
going to consume a lot of the regular

1991
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:16,640
board meeting. Maybe we dedicate an hour
and a half before the regular board

1992
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:22,640
meeting to try to keep the agenda at a
reasonable length um to start off board

1993
02:41:20,880 --> 02:41:29,200
meeting to the workshop regarding the
final um design or I don't want to call

1994
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:33,840
it final design.
conceptually. I mean, I'm not trying to

1995
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:37,280
call. I'm just passing along what people
are saying to me.

1996
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:40,560
» Yeah. No, I I understand where you're
coming from and where they're coming

1997
02:41:38,479 --> 02:41:45,600
from. But, you know, to Rebecca's point,
like when you have when you have the

1998
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:49,040
state agencies involved and you have all
of these working parties involved. Yeah.

1999
02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:53,920
» And they're trying to take all the
information that it was just gathered

2000
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:58,080
like five weeks ago to like put it out
there to the public. like

2001
02:41:56,800 --> 02:42:02,560
they're not going to reach out. They're
not going to reach out like

2002
02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:06,800
» consistently and regularly and
communicate like this is what's going

2003
02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:10,000
on. Like that's it's like
>> it's a lot of time,

2004
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:14,720
» but but if the plan is to have it on
September 16th, I didn't know that to

2005
02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:18,000
have that. Well, I don't have the final
thing yet, so I was waiting to I got

2006
02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:22,920
that to send it out to everybody.
>> Okay. I mean, but again, I'm just

2007
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:22,920
saying.

2008
02:42:24,800 --> 02:42:32,640
» Yeah. I mean, in this meeting that we
had, some one of them had seen some plan

2009
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:35,200
about turning the red barn
90°.

2010
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:38,000
» I mean,
>> I have I have not seen I have not seen a

2011
02:42:37,439 --> 02:42:42,240
plan that
>> No, I know it wasn't any of the plans

2012
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:44,160
that we saw, right? But one of them had
said something about it, so I don't

2013
02:42:43,840 --> 02:42:49,120
know.
>> Yeah. No, I don't recall that at all.

2014
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:54,560
» No, I I didn't see it.
>> Okay. Well, the point taken,

2015
02:42:51,680 --> 02:43:01,840
» as soon as Rebecca, as soon as you hear
about the anticipated arrival of this

2016
02:42:58,479 --> 02:43:06,640
plan to reach out and then let all the
stakeholders know. And at the end of

2017
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:11,040
this meeting, we'll hash out um the time
frame so that can be a part of the

2018
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:16,520
communication.
Okay, Matt, back to you.

2019
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:25,200
» All right. Uh, so the fourth contracted
task is the comp plan. Uh, so this task

2020
02:43:22,960 --> 02:43:29,120
has occupied a really good chunk of my
time. Um, especially this year given the

2021
02:43:27,439 --> 02:43:33,280
narrative development process we've been
going through. Uh, there are three

2022
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:37,120
concurrent activities happening to
advance the project. uh one is the

2023
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:41,120
public input and stakeholder engagement
activities which are really the visible

2024
02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:45,200
portion of the project. There's the
narrative development. Um and then

2025
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:49,840
there's the government andor, you know,
quoteunquote hard data collection. So

2026
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:53,279
this is not a new comp plan. North Haven
already has one. Uh this is an update to

2027
02:43:51,920 --> 02:43:58,560
the existing comp plan. That's an
important distinction. Comp plans are

2028
02:43:55,359 --> 02:44:02,000
not statuto statutoily required. Um
however, having one, and I say this in

2029
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:05,520
all my meetings, provides a town with
certain benefits like financial legal.

2030
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:09,920
It gives the town a leg to stand on when
it pursues certain initiatives like

2031
02:44:07,120 --> 02:44:14,560
housing or zoning updates. Uh there are
however statutoily mandated sections if

2032
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:18,160
you're going to pursue an update
processes and data for a comp plan that

2033
02:44:16,800 --> 02:44:21,920
must be included in order for the
state's municipal planning and

2034
02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:28,479
assistance program to find a town's plan
consistent with the growth management

2035
02:44:23,439 --> 02:44:32,560
act. So to date, activities include um a
standing weekly comp plan steering

2036
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:36,399
committee call uh typically on Thursday
mornings. Um all select board members

2037
02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:39,840
are welcome to attend. Anyone really is
uh for that matter. Um and I think

2038
02:44:38,319 --> 02:44:44,880
Rebecca could probably kick around that
information if you'd uh like to attend.

2039
02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:48,640
Um in terms of public facing, there have
been five overnight in-person meetings

2040
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:53,200
including the project kickoff uh
meetings on recreation, land use, marine

2041
02:44:50,720 --> 02:44:59,040
resources, historical resources, and
natural resources. Some were better

2042
02:44:54,960 --> 02:45:03,840
attended than others. Uh MRF has also uh
attended community days and I handed out

2043
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:08,960
all of our printed QR codes that when
scanned lead to the survey. This was in

2044
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:12,960
place of camping out um and uh at a
table. Um the steering committee thought

2045
02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:16,640
my time would be better spent if I
walked around and talked to people. Uh

2046
02:45:14,880 --> 02:45:20,399
so I spent a lot of time in the market
and in the gift shop. Um and I had a

2047
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:24,160
number of good conversations. My biggest
takeaways

2048
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:27,920
uh were how engaged some of the younger
year-round residents were when the comp

2049
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:31,840
plan was defined and described as a
guide to the island's future. Uh there

2050
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:37,120
were a lot of visitors, not year round,
to the island that weekend. Um biggest

2051
02:45:34,720 --> 02:45:41,120
concern that I found in speaking with
folks was housing availability, which I

2052
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:44,399
don't think is anything new to you guys.
Uh, and a note for myself that when I do

2053
02:45:42,960 --> 02:45:47,840
this next year to show up before the
parade starts as opposed to after it's

2054
02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:53,760
over, if anything, for ease of traffic
because it is a bear, uh, getting into

2055
02:45:50,479 --> 02:45:58,640
town, um, after the parade lets out.
Um, so I've been doing a lot of research

2056
02:45:56,720 --> 02:46:03,680
using North Haven's existing comp plan,
which is back in 2008, uh, the island's

2057
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:08,399
recent visioning process. Uh, and I've
had pretty substantial communications

2058
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:13,760
with appropriate state agencies.
um MRF developed and mailed a postcard

2059
02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:19,439
to uh all residents making them aware of
the survey. Uh we also developed the

2060
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:23,920
survey um with a lot of input from town
staff and the steering committee.

2061
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:26,399
Uh so critical data is one of the
biggest things I'm waiting for on what I

2062
02:46:25,359 --> 02:46:32,560
currently have with narrative
development. Um the t the state releases

2063
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:37,200
comp plan data twice a year. Uh I got us
on list for the October release. Um and

2064
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:40,960
we're scheduled to receive that from the
main office of community affairs main

2065
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:46,160
municipal planning and assistance
program uh hopefully by the end of

2066
02:46:42,960 --> 02:46:51,359
October. Um that data includes housing
data. Uh we'll get our own comprehensive

2067
02:46:49,359 --> 02:46:55,279
planning housing data set uh that's
prepare prepared and provided by the

2068
02:46:53,439 --> 02:46:59,279
main state housing authority. This is
all coordinated through MPAP the main

2069
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:03,040
planning municipal planning and
assistance program. uh recreation data

2070
02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:07,439
from the department of agriculture,
conservation, forestry, transportation

2071
02:47:05,359 --> 02:47:11,520
data from DOT,
um limited historic preservation

2072
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:16,160
commission, main historic preservation
commission data. Uh they hate sharing

2073
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:20,640
information, but they will review data
in sections once they are developed. Uh

2074
02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:24,720
that's because they like to keep things
like shipwrecks or native historical

2075
02:47:22,399 --> 02:47:28,000
sites, you know, not in the public eye.
That's really the reason for these data

2076
02:47:26,080 --> 02:47:33,279
releases is a lot of the data from the
state um might qualify as like E911

2077
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:38,960
information or information that's
considered public on the surface but uh

2078
02:47:36,560 --> 02:47:43,680
isn't necessarily publicly available um
just because it could pose a risk to

2079
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:47,279
either the resource it's protecting or
infrastructure that it's mapping or

2080
02:47:45,359 --> 02:47:52,000
something like that.
Um, we've already reached out to

2081
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:54,800
conservation partners leadership uh with
the intent to have them review and

2082
02:47:53,439 --> 02:47:59,680
supplement our narrative on water
resources and natural resources waiting

2083
02:47:57,600 --> 02:48:05,439
data on inland fisheries and wildlife uh
and D um that'll come in that data

2084
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:09,520
release uh and also agriculture and
forest resources from the department of

2085
02:48:06,880 --> 02:48:15,279
agriculture conservation um and
forestry. Finally, DMR uh most of their

2086
02:48:13,279 --> 02:48:18,880
information is online um and publicly
available, but there are a couple data

2087
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:24,160
sets that we'll be receiving um from
them as part of this data dump as well.

2088
02:48:20,720 --> 02:48:30,319
Uh that'll be going into the narrative
to the narrative. Uh currently the draft

2089
02:48:26,319 --> 02:48:37,520
sits at 43 pages. Um the old report was
around 194 pages total, 110 pages of

2090
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:42,640
actual writing. The rest were
appendices, um graphics, etc. So, we're

2091
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:45,600
about quarter of the way there. It
doesn't necessarily have to be that

2092
02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:50,160
long, but just to give you guys a sense
of size. Um, that 43 pages is certainly

2093
02:48:48,880 --> 02:48:55,200
going to be doubled once the data and
figures from the state are incorporated.

2094
02:48:52,560 --> 02:48:58,800
Uh, the plan for right now, and this
this could change. Um, but this is what

2095
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:01,920
we've been discussing in steering
committee is that once a section or

2096
02:49:00,160 --> 02:49:06,000
chapter has been finalized, it's going
to be sent to the steering committee for

2097
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:09,279
their review and their comments. Uh
relevant sections are also going to be

2098
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:13,840
sent to primary informants like the
historical society. They reviewed the

2099
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:19,840
previous um reviewed and actually helped
develop the previous section uh on

2100
02:49:16,479 --> 02:49:23,520
island history. Um so we'll get some
comments from them as well. And then

2101
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:28,479
these drafts will be posted for comment
by residents. I think the idea after

2102
02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:33,200
that, after we receive comments from
folks, is to have another series of

2103
02:49:30,160 --> 02:49:36,399
meetings where we actually show what
some of the big ideas were that were

2104
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:41,439
developed during the public input
sessions.

2105
02:49:38,319 --> 02:49:44,800
Um, and then get comments on uh each of
the individual resource sections that

2106
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:49,279
we're going to have in the plan. So
right now um if you look at the existing

2107
02:49:47,520 --> 02:49:53,120
comprehensive plan for North Haven,
you've got a pretty substantial

2108
02:49:50,640 --> 02:50:00,000
introduction with history of the island,
demographics, uh vision statement, etc.

2109
02:49:56,319 --> 02:50:04,640
Um we've been working on changing what
we can with what we have. And a lot of

2110
02:50:02,240 --> 02:50:09,279
this is going to be contingent on uh the
data we received from the state and

2111
02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:12,960
incorporating comments which we've sort
of been doing all along here that we

2112
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:17,359
receive from uh the public meetings
we've held. Uh I think as a couple of

2113
02:50:15,359 --> 02:50:23,520
you can attest to um the last public
meeting we had was uh not well attended

2114
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:27,600
at all. Um so this sort of led to a
discussion at our last steering

2115
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:31,760
committee meeting about how to get more
involvement. Um, we've done postcards,

2116
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:36,479
we've done QR codes, we've done the
islandwide survey. The survey is still

2117
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:40,720
available online. I think uh Tammy and
Rebecca have done the best they can in

2118
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:45,680
terms of advertising um for th those
meetings uh whether it's a sandwich

2119
02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:52,720
board outside town hall, social media,
etc. U town website. Uh, and the thought

2120
02:50:48,960 --> 02:51:00,000
that we sort of settled on was looking
at key informant interviews using a sort

2121
02:50:55,760 --> 02:51:05,359
of wide swath of of residents. Um, so
there'd be dedicated time between

2122
02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:10,720
myself, uh, any town staff or select
world members who want to participate

2123
02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:16,479
and, um, a member of a certain
demographic or commercial or residential

2124
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:21,520
segment on the island um, representing
one or two, three, four, five people

2125
02:51:18,479 --> 02:51:26,800
that we could then use to bring in
additional information for the uh, the

2126
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:31,760
public feedback piece. Um, and the
reason we sort of went in this direction

2127
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:35,680
is again, uh, the last meeting I think
was probably the best advertised that

2128
02:51:33,359 --> 02:51:39,600
we'd had and we had no one show up. Um,
with the exception of one select board

2129
02:51:37,040 --> 02:51:44,399
member, which was fantastic. Thank you.
Uh but

2130
02:51:42,240 --> 02:51:50,000
unless something really gets people
excited, unless we're proposing a big

2131
02:51:46,720 --> 02:51:56,000
change, which comp plans don't do,
um at least uh uh they they have no

2132
02:51:54,640 --> 02:52:03,600
regulatory teeth, I guess, is the best
way to put it, then it's tough to get

2133
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:08,720
people out. Um, and given the amount of,
uh, advertising, survey work, postcards

2134
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:14,720
we've already done, um, we thought
direct contact of us reaching out to

2135
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:20,399
people to interview them, to ask them
questions, uh, to get their feedback,

2136
02:52:17,680 --> 02:52:24,800
um, is probably our next best solution.
We're certainly willing to take feedback

2137
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:28,640
on that. Um, that's not to say we aren't
going to have meetings in the future,

2138
02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:35,439
especially around the development of
these individual sections for the plan

2139
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:39,439
and the big ideas section. But for the
current feedback on the individual

2140
02:52:37,439 --> 02:52:44,479
sections like land use planning,
recreation, stuff like that, our thought

2141
02:52:41,920 --> 02:52:48,640
was to have uh direct interviews with
people. Um, and we've been compiling a

2142
02:52:46,720 --> 02:52:53,840
list uh that we think would be
appropriate. Um, sort of leaning on uh

2143
02:52:52,080 --> 02:52:56,800
town staff and and other folks on the
steering committee to populate that list

2144
02:52:55,359 --> 02:53:00,800
because I certainly don't have the
knowledge for it. Um, but then the idea

2145
02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:04,240
would be to reach out and schedule
interviews.

2146
02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:09,920
» So, this would be So, we had
conversations about rescheduling the the

2147
02:53:06,319 --> 02:53:13,840
cookout and in those conversations, is
anybody even still going to show up? So,

2148
02:53:12,319 --> 02:53:20,319
we thought that this was the best route
to set up possibly in-person one-on-one

2149
02:53:16,960 --> 02:53:25,200
meetings with up like around 30 people
in the community and we and the list

2150
02:53:22,160 --> 02:53:29,920
also has summer residents as well. Um,
to have that one-on-one conversation to

2151
02:53:27,760 --> 02:53:34,080
get that feedback. Um, and I feel like
we could probably get better feedback

2152
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:39,359
with that one-on-one interaction,
>> like directly communicating to people

2153
02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:43,439
like, "Hey, we'd like you to provide
some input on X in regards to the

2154
02:53:42,240 --> 02:53:46,000
comprehensive plan."
>> So, pretty much it would be going

2155
02:53:44,560 --> 02:53:49,040
through that survey,
>> right?

2156
02:53:46,479 --> 02:53:53,279
» And um, and asking these individuals.
So, we do have a spreadsheet that we

2157
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:57,840
have sent out to the steering committee
>> and each person is adding in who they

2158
02:53:55,680 --> 02:54:04,720
think would be valuable uh valuable
person to to interview.

2159
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:08,080
» So, like who's on the screen?
>> It is Brian Pascal,

2160
02:54:07,279 --> 02:54:16,319
» Jason.
>> Jason, myself, Tammy, and Matt.

2161
02:54:14,319 --> 02:54:20,000
Great. Thanks.
Um and right now we have a pretty good

2162
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:26,560
list together. I mean just for example
Patus Hiver like people like that. Um

2163
02:54:23,840 --> 02:54:30,640
Dodie Bush like people who have been in
the community for a long time and have

2164
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:35,200
feedback. Um one thing that we did
discuss is possibly having something at

2165
02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:39,359
the school where we go to the school and
get um maybe the high school class

2166
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:45,120
feedback
>> um that way they can be a part of be

2167
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:50,960
part of that process. So, so we felt we
felt that we were going to get better uh

2168
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:56,160
more indepth information doing it this
way than having to cook.

2169
02:54:54,080 --> 02:55:00,880
» Still on the on the town.
>> I was going to say I I mean it it does

2170
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:06,640
seem like
maybe it might be a lot of work, but I

2171
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:12,080
think the cookout still I think is a
good idea. It's hard to know how many

2172
02:55:09,520 --> 02:55:18,080
people are actually going to attend. I
think for publicity purposes, something

2173
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:25,200
public like a cookout or like a, you
know, whatever, right? I do think

2174
02:55:21,200 --> 02:55:30,160
probably your most guaranteed way for
people to give information is the

2175
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:37,520
emailing, phone call, one-on-one
reaching out.

2176
02:55:32,560 --> 02:55:44,720
But I guess my opinion is I I
I don't think we would necessarily have

2177
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:49,680
to not or shouldn't do a p a public
event. I think if it's too much work and

2178
02:55:47,439 --> 02:55:53,840
» I think we should do like consider that
when we actually have to have an open

2179
02:55:51,920 --> 02:55:56,560
public event and save it for that.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2180
02:55:55,120 --> 02:56:00,800
» And I will take it down right now.
>> It's on the it's it's on the face. Yeah.

2181
02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:08,720
I'll take it down right now. which I
will say that I thought it was a very

2182
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:12,000
nice poster that's on Facebook page.
>> It was It says what does it say?

2183
02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:17,920
» Oh no.
>> Real growth and something else. I wrote

2184
02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:21,120
it down.
>> It catch you.

2185
02:56:18,880 --> 02:56:25,600
» It was good. It was good.
>> Grills goals and growth.

2186
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:28,960
» And then it had like stuff around it and
it looked like a barbecue.

2187
02:56:27,920 --> 02:56:32,960
Yeah,
>> it is downtown.

2188
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:35,120
» But yeah, saving something like that.
>> Yeah.

2189
02:56:33,359 --> 02:56:39,600
» For when we actually have to have that
group meetings. So

2190
02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:44,319
» yeah, I mean I think the multi- I think
it is really like a multi-tiered

2191
02:56:42,399 --> 02:56:49,120
how are we going to get people and it's
yes some of it might be open public

2192
02:56:46,399 --> 02:56:53,600
meetings. Some of it might be truly
calling cold calling people and saying

2193
02:56:51,040 --> 02:56:58,080
could you could I send you a a survey?
Can you fill it out going to the school?

2194
02:56:55,920 --> 02:57:01,200
I think multi-tiered is the way that
you're going to

2195
02:56:58,479 --> 02:57:06,960
» I think when someone like Yeah. She's
going to take the time to talk to them

2196
02:57:03,439 --> 02:57:10,560
» or thoroughly fill out a surve
going to thoroughly fill out a survey.

2197
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:15,520
» Yes. [laughter] Or have and or both.
>> Foy might be, you know, you go down to

2198
02:57:13,359 --> 02:57:18,720
Browns and you have a conversation.
>> It's not actually having them fill out

2199
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:22,960
the survey. It's having that just having
us having the survey in front of us and

2200
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:27,120
having that communication.
Sounds like a really good idea. Yeah.

2201
02:57:28,240 --> 02:57:33,359
All right. Sorry, Matt.
>> Okay.

2202
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:36,399
» All right, Matt. And then
>> No problem.

2203
02:57:34,479 --> 02:57:40,720
» There was um I guess
>> Can you guys hear me?

2204
02:57:37,760 --> 02:57:45,359
» The Yes, the the pulpit. I'm assuming
we're moving on from comprehensive to

2205
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:49,520
the part of comprehensive or part of
thoroughare project that pertains to

2206
02:57:47,200 --> 02:57:52,800
pulpit.
>> Yes, indeed. My apologies. You guys are

2207
02:57:51,520 --> 02:57:56,000
skipping all over the place because I
think my kids turned the TV on and

2208
02:57:54,160 --> 02:57:59,200
they're streaming right now. Um, but as
long as you can still hear me, that's

2209
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:03,040
all that matters.
>> We can hear you.

2210
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:07,680
» All right. [laughter] So, um, in
addition to those initial

2211
02:58:05,279 --> 02:58:12,000
tasks, um, I've been assisting with a
number of other projects and initiatives

2212
02:58:09,279 --> 02:58:15,520
on the island. Uh, so Pulpit Harbor
working waterfront. This is a big one

2213
02:58:13,840 --> 02:58:20,160
that's just beginning to really pick up
steam right now. Um, this was an

2214
02:58:18,319 --> 02:58:25,920
offshoot from a thoroughare walkth
through. uh back uh I guess it was in

2215
02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:30,399
2025 where there was a request by the
board or a member of the board at the

2216
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:36,000
time to look into additional working
waterfront funding to try and fix the

2217
02:58:32,640 --> 02:58:40,399
mess that is the pier the the state pier
but also look at other places for

2218
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:45,120
working waterfront infrastructure uh and
so pulpit harbor obviously came up um

2219
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:49,600
there's quite a history here uh I've
been learning about this history over

2220
02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:55,359
the last year or so um in fact Alex
being on this Paul has been an absolute

2221
02:58:52,000 --> 02:59:00,720
font of knowledge and very helpful in
understanding some of the dynamics

2222
02:58:56,720 --> 02:59:05,279
there. Um so back I guess it was last
summer not this past summer so 2025 um

2223
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:10,880
we got permission from the select board
to put in an application to the state uh

2224
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:15,359
department of transportation's small
harbor improvement program um for

2225
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:18,880
construction purposes. So it was a
little bit of cart before the horse uh

2226
02:59:17,279 --> 02:59:22,880
but you need to get your name in. It's a
rolling application basis. So when we're

2227
02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:27,279
ready, we can apply for construction
funding if that's the direction that the

2228
02:59:24,960 --> 02:59:31,760
town chooses to go in. Um that was
around $350,000 in funding. Um that can

2229
02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:36,160
fluctuate depending on what the design
work actually comes in at. So we're in

2230
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:41,359
the queue. All we need to do now is just
write an application and uh it's already

2231
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:46,319
been approved by DOT. So, um yeah, it'll
it should be a I don't want to say

2232
02:59:43,439 --> 02:59:49,279
painless process, but um construction
funding is the hardest thing to come by

2233
02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:56,960
in the state and and and we're in pretty
good shape for that. Uh so, in uh I

2234
02:59:53,120 --> 03:00:01,760
guess it was last February, we applied
for a shore and harbor planning grant,

2235
02:59:59,040 --> 03:00:09,120
same acronym, ship uh from the main
office of community affairs. Um this was

2236
03:00:04,479 --> 03:00:14,000
for design work. Uh we put together a an
RFP for a consultant uh and got two

2237
03:00:12,399 --> 03:00:17,920
responses. Uh we actually had one
interview with a consultant this

2238
03:00:15,760 --> 03:00:21,920
morning. Uh and we'll be having another
one next Wednesday with the other

2239
03:00:19,279 --> 03:00:27,520
consultant. Um I was quite impressed uh
with today's consultant and uh we'll see

2240
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:33,680
how it goes next week. Um but their task
is to get this project up to about

2241
03:00:29,600 --> 03:00:37,520
twothirds design. Uh and then the DOT
funding will take it the rest of the way

2242
03:00:35,760 --> 03:00:45,120
in terms of planning and engineering and
permitting plus construction funding. So

2243
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:48,240
going back to Oh, I just got an unstable
internet thing. Can you guys still hear

2244
03:00:47,040 --> 03:00:51,760
or am I talking?
>> Perfect. All right.

2245
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:57,760
Going back to Ameilia's initial
concerns. I think when we were first

2246
03:00:53,120 --> 03:01:01,840
talking about this um we were uh looking
originally at second bridge and I think

2247
03:00:59,760 --> 03:01:06,640
the focus has somewhat turned to the
existing infrastructure out there now

2248
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:11,840
the float system um and certainly
understanding the the dynamics out there

2249
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:15,600
um the ownership issues uh we made this
all quite clear to the consultant today

2250
03:01:13,680 --> 03:01:19,120
that there is uh there's a bit to
navigate there's going to be a lot of

2251
03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:22,160
research they're going to have to do um
I've already reached out to the

2252
03:01:20,319 --> 03:01:25,840
conservation partners and and made them
aware of the fact that the town has a

2253
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:30,080
grant for planning purposes only that
nothing nothing is happening um right

2254
03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:35,120
now in terms of construction. There's
been no decisions that have been made.

2255
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:38,880
Uh but the idea is to essentially add
improvements to the existing structure

2256
03:01:37,120 --> 03:01:44,880
to make it more working waterfront
friendly I think is the best way to

2257
03:01:40,720 --> 03:01:49,520
describe it. Um and so right now myself,
Rebecca and Alex um have been involved

2258
03:01:47,600 --> 03:01:53,279
in interviews and reviewing the uh
proposals. I think we're probably going

2259
03:01:51,200 --> 03:01:57,760
to open that up to conservation partners
as well given their stake. And again, if

2260
03:01:56,160 --> 03:02:02,399
any of you guys want to be involved in
this, um I think we'll probably have a a

2261
03:02:00,319 --> 03:02:06,720
standing committee going forward um once
we select a consultant. Uh and you're

2262
03:02:05,120 --> 03:02:09,680
more than happy to excuse me, more than
welcome to join us next Wednesday when

2263
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:13,359
we interview the other consultant as
well. If you're if you're interested, I

2264
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:19,040
can send you the Zoom link.
Um, so yeah, this is uh sort of a

2265
03:02:16,960 --> 03:02:22,399
smaller offshoot, but it sort of
snowballed into something a little bit

2266
03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:26,720
larger. And I think uh if we do this
right, if we involve the right people,

2267
03:02:24,960 --> 03:02:31,760
um we make sure we respect past
conversations and and and

2268
03:02:29,439 --> 03:02:36,560
um take into account all viewpoints. I
think what we couldn't end up with is

2269
03:02:34,880 --> 03:02:41,279
something that makes the fishing
community a little bit happier. Um,

2270
03:02:38,880 --> 03:02:46,640
keeps the conservation partners happy
and uh, yeah, just overall improves

2271
03:02:44,479 --> 03:02:51,120
access, public access to Pulpit Harbor,
which I mean, as you all know, public

2272
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:56,399
access on the island is is very, very
light. So, anything we can do, I think,

2273
03:02:53,600 --> 03:03:00,720
to to keep that access open and improve
it is is a good thing. My personal

2274
03:02:58,640 --> 03:03:06,080
opinion.
questions on that? Thoughts?

2275
03:03:04,000 --> 03:03:10,560
» My only thought on that is we just
recently reviewed I think it's a 99y

2276
03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:16,920
year
>> um lease on that property.

2277
03:03:12,800 --> 03:03:16,920
» It's a an easement demon.

2278
03:03:20,479 --> 03:03:28,399
» Yeah.
Do you remember um if it's specifically

2279
03:03:25,279 --> 03:03:34,319
let out laid out any changes within that
area? it has to be approved or like we

2280
03:03:31,840 --> 03:03:39,680
might have seen that but that that's
going to be when once we pick um an

2281
03:03:37,439 --> 03:03:42,800
engineering firm I will say all that
information

2282
03:03:40,880 --> 03:03:47,439
» okay that's the
>> yeah it's important to to to highlight

2283
03:03:45,120 --> 03:03:52,560
the fact that I don't believe that this
grant would be funding any changes to

2284
03:03:49,520 --> 03:03:57,040
the the landside infrastructure
um it would more be about improving the

2285
03:03:55,200 --> 03:04:02,080
dock improving the pier improving the
float system because as you know, Kenny,

2286
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:09,200
there are I think some restrictions and
some some uh no- go um with the owners

2287
03:04:05,920 --> 03:04:11,942
of that property. Um so, we'd have to
the consultant is going to have to

2288
03:04:10,640 --> 03:04:13,920
really do their homework there,
[laughter]

2289
03:04:12,560 --> 03:04:18,960
» right? Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. I guess my my input would be also

2290
03:04:16,479 --> 03:04:24,800
to reach out to
a lot of the people who use are already

2291
03:04:21,120 --> 03:04:29,040
using the Pulpit Harbor.
>> Yep. So, so we don't get too far down

2292
03:04:26,800 --> 03:04:32,800
the road like with the saltwater
intrusion thing where you think we have

2293
03:04:30,720 --> 03:04:37,200
a great plan and then people who
actually are involved come forward and

2294
03:04:34,640 --> 03:04:43,040
say, "Wait a minute."
>> They have other thoughts or other ideas.

2295
03:04:39,359 --> 03:04:46,960
» Unfortunately, we can't stop that.
We can't stop from people coming in at

2296
03:04:45,680 --> 03:04:49,760
the I mean
>> with the saltwater intrusion that's been

2297
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:55,680
going on for years.
>> Yeah. I mean there's always but I mean

2298
03:04:52,960 --> 03:05:00,479
» doing our due diligence
>> reaching out to people in the area.

2299
03:04:58,479 --> 03:05:05,439
» Well I think
there

2300
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:14,000
people that utilize that appear most
frequently. Um but I suppose on the AL

2301
03:05:10,000 --> 03:05:19,600
front um well thank you Matt for the
update very entailed update and good to

2302
03:05:16,960 --> 03:05:26,000
hear about all the projects. I think
quite frankly I think um there has been

2303
03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:30,240
somewhat of perception that because the
bulk of the work um and discussions are

2304
03:05:28,720 --> 03:05:35,279
around the comprehensive plan. It's good
to hear your involvement in some of

2305
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:42,000
these other big projects um that are
going on. I think obviously from our end

2306
03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:47,680
of things um you know seeing the initial
stages of the Thoroughare project um

2307
03:05:44,479 --> 03:05:53,040
coming to a close due to the grant um
deadline

2308
03:05:49,279 --> 03:05:57,439
um and then um moving to solidify some
of these other projects I think the

2309
03:05:54,720 --> 03:06:02,960
board is going to be happy to see these
things eventually come to their

2310
03:05:59,120 --> 03:06:08,240
conclusion. But um appreciate the update
and if any other members have questions

2311
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:12,960
from Matt or concerns. I
>> I don't have a question. I just I just I

2312
03:06:10,640 --> 03:06:18,560
just wonder and I know it's not my
decision to do this, but I just think it

2313
03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:23,120
would be helpful to at each of our
meetings. I don't think you have to be

2314
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:28,240
there, but just to have a little written
half page any progress on any of these

2315
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:34,080
that or just doesn't even have to be at
the meeting. just so because people um I

2316
03:06:32,479 --> 03:06:39,600
I just think it's
>> good to keep us informed about what

2317
03:06:36,160 --> 03:06:44,080
progress is being made and um and that
kind of thing. I mean just the fact that

2318
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:47,520
yeah you interviewed a for instance that
that there was an interview with an

2319
03:06:45,680 --> 03:06:52,240
engineer that's the kind of thing that
could be on there another one's plan was

2320
03:06:50,080 --> 03:06:59,520
this because I I do see this request for
proposals on the website but it it says

2321
03:06:55,920 --> 03:07:06,000
the due date was July 31st or July 30th
so I didn't even know I was like what's

2322
03:07:01,439 --> 03:07:08,640
going on with that. Um, so if I don't
know if that would be possible and other

2323
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:12,479
people can
>> I think it would be great and I mean I

2324
03:07:10,399 --> 03:07:19,200
want to be sensitive of your time Matt
but really I think just

2325
03:07:15,040 --> 03:07:23,359
» really really simple couple you know one
sentence about this one sentence about

2326
03:07:20,960 --> 03:07:28,319
that I think it
>> just for us being able to yeah keep

2327
03:07:26,160 --> 03:07:32,080
updated with the work that you are doing
I think it's helpful for us I think it's

2328
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:35,680
helpful you know when when people are
asking

2329
03:07:32,960 --> 03:07:40,160
Hey, you're, you know, you're paying for
a planner. A lot of the work is behind

2330
03:07:37,920 --> 03:07:46,399
the scenes. What are they doing? What is
what is the work? And we can then more

2331
03:07:42,800 --> 03:07:48,960
readily be able to give those updates in
sort of more of a real time rather than

2332
03:07:48,720 --> 03:07:53,920
a
>> just a bullet list. Yep. Just a very,

2333
03:07:51,279 --> 03:07:58,880
you know, those those five things that
you just listed off. Um,

2334
03:07:56,960 --> 03:08:02,960
» so one thing that was discussed with the
chair and the vice chair was so I'm the

2335
03:08:00,880 --> 03:08:08,399
liazison with all the contractors is
just them giving the update and maybe I

2336
03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:12,160
just send out an email once a month
>> once every however when there's updates

2337
03:08:10,720 --> 03:08:15,479
I'll send it out to the select board in
like an email.

2338
03:08:16,160 --> 03:08:23,479
» I think that would be good.
>> Yeah. I mean I just like Yeah. People

2339
03:08:19,359 --> 03:08:23,479
ask me and I say I don't

2340
03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:32,880
Kenny, I think to your point, um, you
know, where I'm coming from,

2341
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:36,319
can you guys hear me?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2342
03:08:34,800 --> 03:08:41,520
» Hello. Oh, yeah. Cool. All right. Sorry,
I keep freezing up here naturally. Um,

2343
03:08:38,880 --> 03:08:46,880
to your point, uh, I'm coming from a
town manager style government where if

2344
03:08:44,080 --> 03:08:52,080
as a select board member, if I ever
asked a staff member to do something,

2345
03:08:49,279 --> 03:08:56,000
that would be a violation of state law
because they're supposed to be going

2346
03:08:53,359 --> 03:08:59,600
through the town manager. North Haven
has a different form of government,

2347
03:08:57,359 --> 03:09:02,960
which I'm becoming accustomed to. It's
it's town administrator, so it's a

2348
03:09:01,120 --> 03:09:07,359
little bit different than town manager.
Um, I'm happy to provide you guys

2349
03:09:05,040 --> 03:09:12,080
directly or Rebecca with updates. Uh, it
totally makes sense to me. Um, I also

2350
03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:15,359
had two other things I just wanted to
add real quickly that I wasn't able to

2351
03:09:13,439 --> 03:09:18,399
get to. Uh, I have been searching for a
lot of grant opportunities for the

2352
03:09:16,560 --> 03:09:22,240
clinic. Um, and I think I've actually
found an opportunity for the dump or

2353
03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:27,600
excuse me, the transfer station uh for
construction funding as well. I've had a

2354
03:09:23,760 --> 03:09:33,600
couple of calls with D about it. Um,
but uh those have been relatively recent

2355
03:09:31,120 --> 03:09:36,800
initiatives. Um, obviously if we apply
for anything, I'll go through Rebecca

2356
03:09:35,040 --> 03:09:41,279
first and then get permission from you
folks before we put in any applications,

2357
03:09:38,800 --> 03:09:46,960
but the idea is again to sort of lessen
the financial strain on the town. Um,

2358
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:50,399
and I think we might be in luck with uh
with the clinic. There's a lot of

2359
03:09:48,479 --> 03:09:54,399
applications for for medical related
things. Um, the transfer station's been

2360
03:09:52,960 --> 03:09:59,760
a little more difficult, but I think if
we uh are eloquent about it in our

2361
03:09:57,760 --> 03:10:04,720
application, um, we'll probably be able
to get some funding for that as well.

2362
03:10:02,080 --> 03:10:08,800
And that's all I got. I'll shut up now.
>> Thanks, Matt.

2363
03:10:05,680 --> 03:10:14,960
» That's very helpful. I just Yeah, I just
think it it's great publicity.

2364
03:10:13,120 --> 03:10:22,560
» All right. Thank you very much, Matt.
Um, we will be in touch moving forward

2365
03:10:18,640 --> 03:10:27,840
on these projects. Um, okay. So, moving
on. Al, um, if you are still on there,

2366
03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:30,160
apologies for how long we've been
running here. Oh, there you are.

2367
03:10:29,600 --> 03:10:32,720
» Oh, hello.
>> Hi.

2368
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:41,279
Um, so recently voting against Harbor
Master have been tabled multiple

2369
03:10:39,439 --> 03:10:48,439
meetings in a row. So good to have you
here for any update or concerns uh

2370
03:10:44,479 --> 03:10:48,439
regarding Polar Harbor.

2371
03:10:48,479 --> 03:11:00,160
» Uh yeah, thank thanks for having me. Um
uh yeah um I don't really have any

2372
03:10:57,040 --> 03:11:05,439
updates necessarily. Um, I have been
working on um like a short list of

2373
03:11:03,359 --> 03:11:09,840
recommendations that I have that I was
going to sort of go over at some point.

2374
03:11:08,319 --> 03:11:15,920
Um,
I guess the only updates I have is, um,

2375
03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:22,640
pretty quickly after I was asked to take
the position, um, I did get with, um,

2376
03:11:19,680 --> 03:11:27,279
Rebecca and Ryan Haskell and we were
able to inspect

2377
03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:35,760
the inside and outside chains that hold
the floats and and we um, serviced all

2378
03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:40,640
that. So, um, that's pretty much all
I've had a chance to do so far, but I do

2379
03:11:38,560 --> 03:11:46,960
have some ideas.
Um, and I do still need to take the

2380
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:53,120
training course, so I'm a little
unsure of what I can and can't do up

2381
03:11:50,720 --> 03:11:59,279
there. Um, and I have been approached by
several um, summer people about issues

2382
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:05,680
and things. So, I've just sort of been
compiling a list of those things. Um,

2383
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:11,760
and I've been a little bit reluctant to
act on any of those initiatives until I

2384
03:12:08,319 --> 03:12:17,200
know exactly what I can and can't do
like under state law. But, um,

2385
03:12:15,680 --> 03:12:20,319
you know, basically the things I'm
hearing are the things that I'm sure

2386
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:30,479
everybody's already heard. You know,
issues with some, uh, floats and things.

2387
03:12:24,720 --> 03:12:33,920
um uh you know so um yeah I mean I I
have a small list of things but since

2388
03:12:32,479 --> 03:12:38,319
it's been a long meeting if you guys
want me to just like email that in I can

2389
03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:44,880
or or I could run down it really
quickly. It's whatever you guys prefer.

2390
03:12:41,840 --> 03:12:50,479
» Well maybe an email format would be good
and then we can follow up. And I guess I

2391
03:12:48,240 --> 03:12:58,479
would just ask Rebecca if you could look
into what authority um until Al takes

2392
03:12:54,240 --> 03:13:04,000
the class officially being voted in he
has to be able to answer questions from

2393
03:13:01,040 --> 03:13:08,880
the public confidently about issues um
and let him know what um what his role

2394
03:13:06,880 --> 03:13:13,439
can be until the class is taken. Are you
signed up for the class? Uh

2395
03:13:11,439 --> 03:13:16,720
» I think it's in what like February?
>> It's March.

2396
03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:18,560
» March. Are you signed up currently?
>> Not yet. I don't think it's actually

2397
03:13:18,160 --> 03:13:22,080
open.
>> Oh, okay. All right.

2398
03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:28,720
» And I was planning on taking it as well,
just in case something happens because

2399
03:13:25,680 --> 03:13:32,800
like we just had an incident last week
and I had to reach out to the state to

2400
03:13:30,640 --> 03:13:35,920
get answers to see what exactly he could
do. So,

2401
03:13:35,120 --> 03:13:39,200
» that's great.
>> Um,

2402
03:13:36,960 --> 03:13:44,160
» yeah. No, we'd appreciate the the email
if you email Rebecca or you can email

2403
03:13:41,520 --> 03:13:49,120
the entire board with um some of these
concerns and and Rebecca will be in

2404
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:54,239
touch with you about um where you stand
having been um voted in by the board in

2405
03:13:52,239 --> 03:14:00,319
this position but having yet taken the
class so you can feel more confident

2406
03:13:56,399 --> 03:14:03,200
about what to say and how to act. Um and
then

2407
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:07,439
um [clears throat] once we get the list,
if there's any jarring things or major

2408
03:14:05,760 --> 03:14:12,319
concerns, we might reach back out to you
to to meet with us and we'll formalize a

2409
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:17,840
a better time so that you're not sitting
around waiting on Zoom for

2410
03:14:15,279 --> 03:14:24,640
» Okay. Yeah. Um one other update I have
is I did actually take a trip over to

2411
03:14:20,560 --> 03:14:29,120
Rockland and I sat down with the um with
the harbor master's office, some people

2412
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:36,319
there. Um,
I to I did a a training like years ago

2413
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:42,479
um with the Island Institute
and I met the now retired Harbor Master

2414
03:14:40,640 --> 03:14:48,640
of Rockland and we we talked a lot about
their harbor plan and it's something

2415
03:14:45,120 --> 03:14:53,279
that I've been considering um proposing
and I and and I brought it up years ago

2416
03:14:50,640 --> 03:14:58,239
when I was on the board and um I think
it's something that we should look into

2417
03:14:56,160 --> 03:15:01,600
at some point and So, I I had a nice
meeting with a Harvard master in

2418
03:14:59,439 --> 03:15:07,600
Rockland and and she gave me some
recommendations as to things that we

2419
03:15:03,359 --> 03:15:13,600
should consider in the near term. Um, so
I don't really know how to incorporate

2420
03:15:09,439 --> 03:15:18,080
that uh information into the email, but
maybe when things settle down, if you

2421
03:15:16,479 --> 03:15:21,920
guys want, I could come in and just go
over some of those things. It's basic

2422
03:15:19,760 --> 03:15:26,319
stuff. Um,
but I think it's there's some ideas in

2423
03:15:24,000 --> 03:15:31,439
here that might be helpful. um you know,
waterfront uh fee structures and things

2424
03:15:29,040 --> 03:15:36,319
like most of the other harbors collect
fees for like moorings and stuff. Um you

2425
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:43,920
know, and I was thinking it might be a
way for the town to generate a little

2426
03:15:39,120 --> 03:15:47,840
bit um supplemental revenue to help fund
some of these smaller projects that we

2427
03:15:45,920 --> 03:15:53,760
wouldn't use like grant money for like
replacing floats and things. So, [gasps]

2428
03:15:50,960 --> 03:15:58,640
um I'm happy to come in when when like
there's like less going on and we could

2429
03:15:56,080 --> 03:16:01,120
talk about that more.
>> I think Oh, sorry.

2430
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:04,000
» Oh, I was going to say I think it would
be great as a workshop.

2431
03:16:02,160 --> 03:16:07,920
» I just actually put it in my notes.
>> I think that would be great. Yeah. I I

2432
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:12,800
think that there's, you know, there's a
there's a lot of

2433
03:16:10,720 --> 03:16:16,560
back history information, I think, from
the time that you were on the board, Al,

2434
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:23,279
that I think we could get into about,
you know, proposed

2435
03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:27,680
mooring policies and things. So, I feel
like it would be helpful to have just

2436
03:16:25,439 --> 03:16:31,279
some designated time to talk about that
stuff.

2437
03:16:28,160 --> 03:16:35,520
» I actually remember some of this seme
>> I think it's been very long. I think,

2438
03:16:33,760 --> 03:16:38,479
you know, it's been one of those topics
where it's like, we'll get to that

2439
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:44,560
eventually.
>> Um the other the other um thing that

2440
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:48,960
came up, it was a it was a couple of
years ago. I was in a conversation with

2441
03:16:46,800 --> 03:16:55,200
someone from
I think it was from the DMR. Anyway,

2442
03:16:51,359 --> 03:17:01,120
they brought up the that there is grant
funding. I don't even know if it exists

2443
03:16:56,800 --> 03:17:07,279
anymore for a pumpout float. I just want
to release that information from my

2444
03:17:03,760 --> 03:17:12,479
brain to somebody else's brain. Um,
>> oh, for

2445
03:17:09,120 --> 03:17:19,520
essentially so people are not dumping in
Pulpit Harbor that there is a designated

2446
03:17:16,160 --> 03:17:23,840
pump float location. The people that
were talking about it don't even don't

2447
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:29,200
I'm just relaying the information. I'm
relay I'm not saying pro con. I have no

2448
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:32,960
vested interest in it. I am just
relaying the information.

2449
03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:39,120
» They said there would be a grant that
would pay for it. Somebody would come

2450
03:17:35,760 --> 03:17:42,640
from the mainland to pump it out.
>> Anyway, I know

2451
03:17:40,640 --> 03:17:45,359
» Marina,
>> right? Yeah.

2452
03:17:43,359 --> 03:17:50,479
» Clean Marina's program, D offers the
funding. Um, and the main marine trades

2453
03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:53,600
association, I think, is the inspectors.
>> Uh, but yeah, it does exist. You're not

2454
03:17:52,319 --> 03:17:58,560
imagining it.
>> Thank you. Just want to now Al tapping

2455
03:17:56,160 --> 03:18:03,856
you into that. That's not on my I'm not
it's your I'm giving it to your brain

2456
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:03,856
now. [laughter]

2457
03:18:04,239 --> 03:18:12,319
» Okay. So, we'll look at um the calendar,
Al in regards to workshops and reach out

2458
03:18:10,399 --> 03:18:17,680
to you to find the time that works for
you and us and we'll plan to have you in

2459
03:18:14,720 --> 03:18:21,439
to talk about some of the ideas that you
solicited from the Rockland Harbor

2460
03:18:19,840 --> 03:18:27,760
Master and then some of the issues that
you faced or questions from the public

2461
03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:31,520
in regards to how they decided.
>> Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. And if

2462
03:18:29,920 --> 03:18:35,760
anything major comes up between now and
then, I'll just I'll let one of you guys

2463
03:18:33,840 --> 03:18:40,960
know, Rebecca, I mean, there are some
issues that I've sort of like kicked to

2464
03:18:38,239 --> 03:18:46,319
the back burner with some like floats
and stuff, but I'm just telling people

2465
03:18:44,160 --> 03:18:49,680
I'm not sworn in officially right now,
so I can't do anything about it. So,

2466
03:18:48,160 --> 03:18:56,080
hopefully I'll buy us a little bit of
time um on those things. Um, but you

2467
03:18:54,080 --> 03:19:00,720
know, there are some like summer there's
some seasonal residents that have been

2468
03:18:58,239 --> 03:19:05,760
like calling me and texting me. So, I've
just been basically saying like I just I

2469
03:19:04,080 --> 03:19:10,239
was just appointed harbor master. It's
going to take us time to to get into

2470
03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:16,080
some of these things, but I am taking
notes.

2471
03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:21,680
» Okay, great. Um, okay. Well, we'll we'll
be back. We look forward to the email

2472
03:19:18,080 --> 03:19:24,720
from you um about some of the things you
you've got on your list.

2473
03:19:23,120 --> 03:19:27,760
» Yep. Sounds good.
>> All right. Thank you so much.

2474
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:32,000
» Yep. Thanks.
>> Okay. Um

2475
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:38,080
» next would be Boston
>> the text Michael. Yes. Okay. So, we're

2476
03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:42,960
going to skip past Well, can I can I
make a motion to table fair service for

2477
03:19:41,359 --> 03:19:49,359
the Vince meeting? I don't think we're
going to have time to get to that.

2478
03:19:47,120 --> 03:19:51,520
Um,
I don't know. It needs to be an initial

2479
03:19:50,720 --> 03:19:56,760
motion for
>> table

2480
03:19:53,760 --> 03:19:56,760
item.

2481
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:03,319
» Any discussion?

2482
03:20:03,439 --> 03:20:06,239
» You feel nervous about pushing all this
stuff?

2483
03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:11,680
» I don't.
>> No, I hear you.

2484
03:20:08,880 --> 03:20:16,479
» No, I'm not. I'm just saying
>> I'm ready to stay until 9. other people

2485
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:20,560
are. But if we're not, we're gonna have
to pick and choose.

2486
03:20:18,640 --> 03:20:23,040
» I mean, I'm just I'm not going to be
here next week, so I feel bad about the

2487
03:20:22,479 --> 03:20:29,359
things.
>> We'll send ideas to Jaclyn. Okay. Any

2488
03:20:28,560 --> 03:20:32,319
more discussion?
>> No.

2489
03:20:29,680 --> 03:20:37,520
» I'll be there.
>> Okay. So, that's tabled. Um, we're going

2490
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:44,560
to move forward to new business with the
text my go um platform.

2491
03:20:43,359 --> 03:20:48,640
Um, [clears throat]
you want to start at this?

2492
03:20:46,239 --> 03:20:53,439
» Yeah. So, in prior communications with
select board, um, they had mentioned um,

2493
03:20:51,760 --> 03:21:00,319
better communication. We had looked at
getting a bunch of email addresses and

2494
03:20:56,880 --> 03:21:05,920
we not everybody wants to provide their
email address. Um, I think texting is a

2495
03:21:03,040 --> 03:21:12,720
better option. So, I reached out to text
my gov. have had two meetings um with um

2496
03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:21,760
Boston um just a couple weeks ago. It
seems like a pretty simplistic plan um

2497
03:21:17,840 --> 03:21:27,920
and they um come up they typically have
about 50% of the cell phone numbers um

2498
03:21:25,200 --> 03:21:35,040
that we would need and then they would
um initiate getting the remaining um

2499
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:39,120
numbers or getting people signed up. Um,
so I am going to let him [laughter] go

2500
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:42,080
over. Okay.
>> Yeah, that's Boston. Yes.

2501
03:21:40,640 --> 03:21:45,520
» Hello, Boston. Well done.
>> Yeah,

2502
03:21:43,200 --> 03:21:49,680
» thanks Rebecca. Yeah. No, you're good.
No worries at all. Um, yeah, thanks for

2503
03:21:47,600 --> 03:21:53,840
having me on here. Yeah, like Rebecca
mentioned, met with her a couple of

2504
03:21:51,359 --> 03:21:57,680
times over the last few weeks um in in
August. And like she mentioned, uh,

2505
03:21:56,399 --> 03:22:02,479
sounds like you guys are just looking
for a little bit of a more streamlined

2506
03:22:00,319 --> 03:22:06,880
way to communicate with the residents.
Um some of the things that she

2507
03:22:04,319 --> 03:22:10,239
mentioned, right, were um residents
complaining that they're not hearing

2508
03:22:08,080 --> 03:22:14,479
about things and it sounds like most of
those complaints are being fielded by

2509
03:22:11,920 --> 03:22:19,359
the select board um as as well as
employees um inside of of the town,

2510
03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:22,399
right? Is is that kind of the general
consensus?

2511
03:22:21,200 --> 03:22:26,880
» Yes, I think so.
>> Okay, cool. Um yeah, and it sounds like

2512
03:22:25,600 --> 03:22:31,520
the biggest things you guys are wanting
to notify just from my notes are are

2513
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:37,120
right town meetings, um comprehensive
plan updates. Uh looks like you guys

2514
03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:41,600
handle a transfer station as well. So a
lot of municipalities in Maine will use

2515
03:22:39,120 --> 03:22:45,439
our system to notify of of trash updates
and and things along those lines or if

2516
03:22:43,840 --> 03:22:49,359
the schedule is going to be tr uh
changing. Uh with you guys having a

2517
03:22:47,600 --> 03:22:54,640
ferry, we actually work with a few
islands here in Maine, one one of them

2518
03:22:51,200 --> 03:22:58,880
being Cranberry Isles. They do use our
system as well to notify residents of

2519
03:22:57,279 --> 03:23:03,040
ferry updates. So, if the ferry is
shutting down, things like that. Um,

2520
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:08,479
that's a big one that we see in the
islands. Um, yeah. What questions do you

2521
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:13,439
guys have for me, though? I I don't have
a ton to present other than answering

2522
03:23:11,359 --> 03:23:19,760
questions for you.
>> Let me just The annual subscription is

2523
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:24,000
the 2,800. It's a three-year contract.
Um, and then there's that onetime setup

2524
03:23:21,760 --> 03:23:30,880
fee of $1,400
>> which contained within so initial start

2525
03:23:27,120 --> 03:23:31,920
of 1,400. That's the first year plus the
startup.

2526
03:23:31,439 --> 03:23:39,279
» Yes.
>> Okay. Um, I guess one of my questions

2527
03:23:34,399 --> 03:23:46,239
would be um how many um town employees
could potentially have access to this to

2528
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:52,319
be able to put out um a text message to
um all the numbers that are collected.

2529
03:23:49,200 --> 03:23:58,479
um within the service and and my where
I'm going with this is you know we've

2530
03:23:55,680 --> 03:24:01,840
got the the water and sewer
superintendent though you know those

2531
03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:05,760
departments could be faced with the you
know the boil water things of that

2532
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:10,720
nature you know we've got the transfer
station like you said the ferry the town

2533
03:24:08,000 --> 03:24:16,479
office that covers um a lot of things
but then the fire department EMS a

2534
03:24:13,760 --> 03:24:21,120
clinic you know there's if I had to
guess there's at least say a dozen

2535
03:24:18,160 --> 03:24:24,560
department heads, would they all be able
to have access to this so that if

2536
03:24:22,720 --> 03:24:29,439
something within their department popped
up and they felt it was necessary to

2537
03:24:27,120 --> 03:24:33,840
notify the public um as fast as
possible, would they be able to utilize

2538
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:36,720
this platform?
>> Yeah, that that's a really good

2539
03:24:35,359 --> 03:24:41,680
question. I don't know if you guys have
the uh the paperwork that I sent over in

2540
03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:46,000
front of you. Um on there you will see
that it is unlimited users and

2541
03:24:43,600 --> 03:24:51,760
departments. And so what that means is
is any individuals that you see fit or

2542
03:24:49,279 --> 03:24:57,359
necessary to have a username and login
for the system, they'll have access to

2543
03:24:54,479 --> 03:25:01,520
login and and send out, you know, a text
message to different groups of

2544
03:24:59,200 --> 03:25:06,399
individuals, right? Maybe it's a group
of residents that use the water um that

2545
03:25:03,920 --> 03:25:10,800
you guys provide or maybe it's the
harbor master needs to send out a

2546
03:25:08,080 --> 03:25:15,120
notification regarding the uh the ferry.
Um they can access different groups of

2547
03:25:12,800 --> 03:25:20,239
residents. they can send it to everybody
in North Haven. Um so they they'll have

2548
03:25:17,680 --> 03:25:24,640
the ability to log in under their unique
username and password and then from

2549
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:29,040
there um they don't have to be messaging
the entire town. They can message

2550
03:25:26,399 --> 03:25:34,399
smaller subgroups to avoid you know
message fatigue.

2551
03:25:31,359 --> 03:25:38,880
So, so in other words, um when someone
like so we could have a link, a button

2552
03:25:37,439 --> 03:25:43,520
or whatever you want to call it on our
website where people would click and

2553
03:25:41,279 --> 03:25:49,279
then they put their
uh cell number in it and they could

2554
03:25:46,640 --> 03:25:54,479
choose, let's say there's a little menu
of 10 things that they want to be

2555
03:25:52,319 --> 03:26:01,040
updated on and then they would be in
that subgroup of roads, transfer

2556
03:25:58,080 --> 03:26:06,800
station, school,
whatever they have their own platform.

2557
03:26:04,319 --> 03:26:11,600
» Don't fool us. I just Yeah. I mean, and
also I'll just say the ferry also has

2558
03:26:09,040 --> 03:26:17,520
this our fairy because it's a state
fairy system. Not that it works all the

2559
03:26:14,720 --> 03:26:21,760
time, but they they already have they do
like I receive texts from them when the

2560
03:26:19,840 --> 03:26:28,800
fair is canceled and all that kind of
stuff. But um I guess my question was

2561
03:26:24,560 --> 03:26:33,840
how do first of all can people sign up
for this without just independently just

2562
03:26:31,439 --> 03:26:40,319
go on our website and sign up and say I
want to be in the text me my love.

2563
03:26:37,840 --> 03:26:45,120
» Yeah absolutely. Um so what we do is we
provide marketing materials as well as a

2564
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:48,560
website widget. Um, so that website
widget is just going to be a little

2565
03:26:46,800 --> 03:26:52,880
button in the bottom right of your your
website where they'll click. It'll ask

2566
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:57,040
for their phone number and it'll opt
them in. From there, opting into the

2567
03:26:55,279 --> 03:27:01,359
smaller subgroups, they'll actually just
text keywords. Um, so if it was water,

2568
03:26:59,680 --> 03:27:05,439
it would be North Haven water, for
example.

2569
03:27:02,640 --> 03:27:09,040
um if they wanted to receive um
comprehensive plan updates or transfer

2570
03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:14,560
station updates, they can just text
keywords related to those groups and be

2571
03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:19,040
opted into those additional groups other
than the townwide group. So the the

2572
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:22,560
initial group they'll be opted into when
they click on the website widget and put

2573
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:28,239
their phone number in is a townwide
group. Um the smaller subgroups would be

2574
03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:33,840
again things like transfer station um
you know select board meeting agendas or

2575
03:27:30,960 --> 03:27:36,640
updates things like that
and

2576
03:27:34,560 --> 03:27:44,960
» and I was going to say are those things
that individual people can self select

2577
03:27:41,840 --> 03:27:50,319
or is that something that is that's on
the back end once they once they click

2578
03:27:48,000 --> 03:27:53,040
and subscribe
how

2579
03:27:51,359 --> 03:27:56,479
» I think it's this keyboard
You type the keyword.

2580
03:27:54,560 --> 03:27:57,760
» You click the widget, you put in your
phone number.

2581
03:27:57,200 --> 03:28:00,640
» Yep.
>> And then you're just sort of blanket

2582
03:28:00,160 --> 03:28:05,279
like
>> you're blanket into everything. Right.

2583
03:28:02,160 --> 03:28:08,800
So, or you can type in a keyword
>> and that's going to pop up like if

2584
03:28:06,960 --> 03:28:11,760
there's any notifications from the water
department or

2585
03:28:10,080 --> 03:28:18,080
» and I'm assuming that those keywords
would be developed between your business

2586
03:28:15,760 --> 03:28:23,040
and the town like the town would give a
list of the different departments and

2587
03:28:19,600 --> 03:28:28,080
this is so that the the communication to
the public when onboarding this is like

2588
03:28:25,920 --> 03:28:33,840
if you want information on the transfer
station hours uh or any updates from the

2589
03:28:31,040 --> 03:28:38,640
transfer type in transfer when you click
on those sort of things of that nature.

2590
03:28:36,560 --> 03:28:41,600
» I guess that's how I like
>> and there are and there are certain ones

2591
03:28:40,080 --> 03:28:44,479
that are automatically set up. So you
mentioned transfer station would make me

2592
03:28:42,960 --> 03:28:48,880
think of it. So we can actually have it
programmed. So if somebody wants just

2593
03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:52,560
transfer station hours, it's already
programmed in there.

2594
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:57,600
» Okay. And and so what Rebecca is saying,
they can actually text back in and ask

2595
03:28:55,680 --> 03:29:03,120
what are the transfer station hours and
the system will be pre-programmed to

2596
03:29:00,880 --> 03:29:07,279
respond with the transfer station hours.
So it it will kick back a reply on its

2597
03:29:05,359 --> 03:29:12,080
own with the transfer station hours. Of
course, you could also link to a website

2598
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:16,800
um where it might list special hours for
holidays and things like that. um you

2599
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:21,200
know and if there was a holiday coming
up, you can always adjust that response

2600
03:29:19,120 --> 03:29:24,640
that it's going to kick back. So around
Christmas time, right, obviously the

2601
03:29:22,960 --> 03:29:29,040
transfer station normally doesn't
operate on Christmas, at least in in

2602
03:29:26,560 --> 03:29:33,040
most municipalities here in Maine. And
so you can actually go in and as we get

2603
03:29:31,120 --> 03:29:36,800
close to Christmas time, adjust it so
that it will not be kicking back, you

2604
03:29:35,439 --> 03:29:43,080
know, a response saying that it's going
to be open on Christmas. You can have it

2605
03:29:38,720 --> 03:29:43,080
specify it'll be closed on Christmas.

2606
03:29:43,439 --> 03:29:55,439
I was going to ask what does the setup
entail? So that one-time sort of setup

2607
03:29:52,640 --> 03:30:00,160
fee um what are the different things
that you that you on your end or us on

2608
03:29:58,160 --> 03:30:03,760
our end have to do to get it up and
running?

2609
03:30:01,279 --> 03:30:07,040
» Yeah, that's another great question. Um
because obviously we don't want to add

2610
03:30:05,120 --> 03:30:12,720
more to your plate. The truth is we
actually do most if not all the setup

2611
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:17,920
really on our end. all that we really
require from you guys. We do run um

2612
03:30:15,120 --> 03:30:21,680
initially two trainings minimum. They're
normally 30 to 45 minutes long and we

2613
03:30:20,319 --> 03:30:26,160
normally do that with just one
individual. We record those trainings so

2614
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:30,399
that you can actually share those with
other departments and users of the

2615
03:30:28,080 --> 03:30:34,000
system. We do have unlimited support and
training. So if you did have questions,

2616
03:30:32,080 --> 03:30:38,880
you can always call in and you'll have a
dedicated account manager that'll work

2617
03:30:36,160 --> 03:30:43,200
with you to get those um resolved. But
on your guys' end, really there there's

2618
03:30:40,800 --> 03:30:46,800
not that much setup um other than those
trainings to learn how to use the

2619
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:52,239
system. We set up a lot of those
keywords that Rebecca was mentioning. Um

2620
03:30:49,600 --> 03:30:56,880
we also set up um a lot of the groupings
for you. You do have the ability to do

2621
03:30:54,160 --> 03:31:00,720
that on your own, but we we try and take
as much feedback, you know, from

2622
03:30:58,560 --> 03:31:04,120
meetings like this to create a really
solid foundation.

2623
03:31:04,160 --> 03:31:15,439
And and um if we have people's do is
this something that people only sign up

2624
03:31:12,160 --> 03:31:19,520
for themselves or if we like and this is
a small town and we have lists of that

2625
03:31:17,760 --> 03:31:24,960
have a lot of people's cell phones
numbers on it. Um do [clears throat]

2626
03:31:22,640 --> 03:31:29,760
sometimes people just enter cell phone
numbers or or is do we think that's a

2627
03:31:27,279 --> 03:31:33,200
bad idea to just have people sign up
themselves?

2628
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:37,040
You can do it either way.
>> To provide a list, is there is there an

2629
03:31:35,040 --> 03:31:39,760
easy opt out? If somebody were to get
like somebody's number get entered into

2630
03:31:38,640 --> 03:31:42,560
this and they're like, "What is this? I
don't want that." Is there an easy opt

2631
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:45,359
out?
>> Yeah.

2632
03:31:43,200 --> 03:31:49,840
» They would just reply stop um to the
message. Truth is, we we see a very low

2633
03:31:48,160 --> 03:31:54,399
opt out rate. So, like Rebecca was
mentioning, we actually provide around

2634
03:31:51,680 --> 03:31:59,200
50% of your households on day one. It's
optional, but it's included. Um, most

2635
03:31:57,040 --> 03:32:04,399
municipalities in Maine do opt to do
that just because it it gives you an

2636
03:32:01,040 --> 03:32:09,439
immediate return on your investment. Um,
regardless, yeah, they the opt- out rate

2637
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:13,359
is very low. It's like four to 5% of
those phone numbers that we opt in

2638
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:17,840
automatically choose to opt out. So,
very small number there. Um, if you guys

2639
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:22,479
do have lists of your own though, we
absolutely can import those as well. And

2640
03:32:20,239 --> 03:32:27,520
I'd imagine you'd see a similar number
of optouts um percentage- wise, probably

2641
03:32:24,880 --> 03:32:31,439
between the four and 5% range.
>> How do how do you have people's cell

2642
03:32:29,520 --> 03:32:35,040
phone numbers?
>> Yeah, that's a good question. So,

2643
03:32:33,760 --> 03:32:38,560
because we work with local
municipalities and and government, we

2644
03:32:36,960 --> 03:32:45,120
are able to obtain a list and then we
verify that list with um USPS actually

2645
03:32:42,640 --> 03:32:49,040
and then we update that every six months
to make sure that it is current and and

2646
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:53,279
things like that. So that also includes
addresses. So if you've ever filled out

2647
03:32:50,640 --> 03:32:57,200
a a change of address form, um it asks
for like a name, your name, phone

2648
03:32:54,960 --> 03:33:04,279
number, and address. So that also gives
you the unique ability to notify by

2649
03:32:59,600 --> 03:33:04,279
location if the need were to arise.

2650
03:33:04,560 --> 03:33:12,319
» So one thing is um they
can hold a bill for six months. So if

2651
03:33:10,560 --> 03:33:16,479
the select board voted to move forward
with this, it wouldn't be able to start

2652
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:20,560
until January 1st. they could hold the
invoice until July 1st. That way it's

2653
03:33:19,040 --> 03:33:24,880
budgeted and then we get into the new
fiscal year. Um but the contract with

2654
03:33:22,960 --> 03:33:30,080
them would be for three years. It would
start January and then it would end in

2655
03:33:27,760 --> 03:33:34,720
December
and then we would get build in July of

2656
03:33:32,319 --> 03:33:37,840
each of those three years.
>> Okay. So

2657
03:33:36,399 --> 03:33:41,359
» So if you didn't want to wait till July
1, they could we could literally start

2658
03:33:39,439 --> 03:33:45,120
at January 1st. They would hold the
invoice until July 1st.

2659
03:33:43,120 --> 03:33:49,840
» Yeah. Um that way we can go ahead and
get started as soon as possible. Um

2660
03:33:47,760 --> 03:33:55,040
» yeah. Well, I was just looking at the
current budget to see if there were any

2661
03:33:52,720 --> 03:33:57,760
spots in here to accommodate for this
year, but I was having a hard time

2662
03:33:56,239 --> 03:34:04,000
trying to find what line you could
potentially fall under. Um so if that's

2663
03:34:01,760 --> 03:34:08,239
the avenue to make it work, I think
starting [clears throat] this process

2664
03:34:06,319 --> 03:34:12,000
in January would be ideal. And this
sounds like a really good idea. We've

2665
03:34:09,840 --> 03:34:16,960
talked about this for a little while and
I think there has [clears throat] been

2666
03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:20,560
um many people that have voiced concern
about oh I miss this or I miss that and

2667
03:34:18,960 --> 03:34:25,920
and not feeling like they're in the
loop. This could be like the first step

2668
03:34:23,920 --> 03:34:32,160
in like really bringing people into the
loop and the town entering the 21st

2669
03:34:28,880 --> 03:34:37,040
century. Um,
so

2670
03:34:34,319 --> 03:34:43,359
unless others on the board have
questions for Rebecca or Boston, I am

2671
03:34:40,080 --> 03:34:48,120
happy to make a motion um to move
forward with this contract.

2672
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:53,760
» Okay,
>> I guess that's the motion to move

2673
03:34:51,760 --> 03:34:56,239
forward contract. Do you want specific
dollars not uh

2674
03:34:54,960 --> 03:35:02,399
» starting January 1?
>> Starting January 1. Okay.

2675
03:35:00,239 --> 03:35:05,399
Just looking and seeing if there's any
possib

2676
03:35:08,479 --> 03:35:12,880
» I did. Well, I give them that. I second
it.

2677
03:35:11,840 --> 03:35:18,479
» Okay. [clears throat]
>> Any more discussion, questions for

2678
03:35:14,720 --> 03:35:23,439
Rebecca or Boston before we vote?
>> Um, okay. All those in favor?

2679
03:35:21,680 --> 03:35:28,960
» I
um Thank you, Boston. I guess you'll be

2680
03:35:26,479 --> 03:35:33,880
in touch with Rebecca. This is This is
exciting stuff. You won't have my

2681
03:35:30,560 --> 03:35:33,880
number, but

2682
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:41,040
everyone else is here, but I'll give you
>> Yeah, we're excited to work with you

2683
03:35:38,880 --> 03:35:45,279
guys. Um, yeah, we work with a lot of
places here in Maine, so I think it's

2684
03:35:42,720 --> 03:35:47,840
going to be great for you guys. Um,
Rebecca, I I don't know what your

2685
03:35:46,720 --> 03:35:51,279
schedule is like. Do you have a couple
of minutes tomorrow? I can just give you

2686
03:35:49,120 --> 03:35:52,720
a quick phone call
>> or

2687
03:35:51,680 --> 03:35:56,239
» That would be good.
>> Okay, tomorrow works great then. Yeah,

2688
03:35:54,319 --> 03:35:58,560
I'll give you a call tomorrow. Um, but
yeah, thanks for having me.

2689
03:35:57,279 --> 03:36:01,359
» In the morning,
>> I have I'm leaving a little early

2690
03:36:00,160 --> 03:36:05,680
because I actually have a training
tomorrow night at 5. This starts at 5.

2691
03:36:03,680 --> 03:36:08,720
» Okay. Yeah, I'll give you a call earlier
in the morning then. Uh, maybe around

2692
03:36:07,279 --> 03:36:11,920
eight or nine o'clock.
>> All right. Thank you.

2693
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:15,760
» Okay. Thanks, Rebecca. Thanks, everyone.
>> Yeah.

2694
03:36:13,120 --> 03:36:20,560
» Take care, guys. Bye.
>> Um, like there's going to be a little

2695
03:36:18,479 --> 03:36:25,040
learning curve for everybody there.
>> Oh, yeah. Yes.

2696
03:36:22,560 --> 03:36:27,279
» Okay. Um,
but

2697
03:36:25,359 --> 03:36:31,920
» yeah, seriously.
>> But let's So, we have an executive

2698
03:36:28,960 --> 03:36:34,080
session to get into. Well, we actually
strategic planning.

2699
03:36:32,720 --> 03:36:39,359
» Yes.
>> And on business. So, let's go back to

2700
03:36:37,520 --> 03:36:48,040
strategic planning. So, we can sort of
get back in order here. Um

2701
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:48,040
yeah, the the

2702
03:36:48,160 --> 03:36:59,920
question here is for um entertaining a
motion to um approve the

2703
03:36:56,560 --> 03:37:04,560
um contract with CCPM
um for the strategic planning process

2704
03:37:02,640 --> 03:37:10,880
for this
year, if you will. So I um before the

2705
03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:14,880
meeting I saw an email um from Gabby and
from Lindsay. So they did ask the select

2706
03:37:12,960 --> 03:37:20,319
board would wait to vote just so they
could look over appendix A but where

2707
03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:24,800
appendix A is amendable at any point. I
don't really feel that the select word

2708
03:37:22,000 --> 03:37:28,000
need to wait. Um
but I'm just wanted to let you guys know

2709
03:37:26,560 --> 03:37:35,040
that they wanted to be able to give
feedback on appendix A.

2710
03:37:29,439 --> 03:37:39,600
» Yeah. Um I mean there there is the I
mean unfortunately Jacqueline's not here

2711
03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:46,399
because of emergency. She was really
interested in this topic and this issue.

2712
03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:53,840
People from medical services board
asking to sort of delay is is there any

2713
03:37:49,840 --> 03:37:58,640
harm? It sounded like from the the Zoom
meeting that they were okay with

2714
03:37:55,760 --> 03:38:03,359
starting tomorrow or starting in
January. So, um,

2715
03:38:02,000 --> 03:38:06,800
» yeah. So, the only thing with starting
in January, I think Amelia brought up a

2716
03:38:05,439 --> 03:38:09,200
good point and he can wait till the next
meeting,

2717
03:38:07,760 --> 03:38:14,239
» but I think Ameilia brings up a good
point. We want to make sure that the the

2718
03:38:12,080 --> 03:38:17,760
provider that's retiring has input.
>> No, I agree.

2719
03:38:15,920 --> 03:38:21,680
» Not holding off till January 1,
especially where the new person says,

2720
03:38:19,600 --> 03:38:23,680
"Hey, I'm willing to be a part of it."
Right.

2721
03:38:22,319 --> 03:38:28,399
» Yeah. Um,
>> I suggest until the next meeting

2722
03:38:26,560 --> 03:38:31,680
» because just for a lot of reasons, I
think the medical services board sort of

2723
03:38:30,160 --> 03:38:36,239
feels left out
>> and it just gives this respect.

2724
03:38:34,640 --> 03:38:41,439
» Yeah. And I think it'll be good to have
Jacqueline there. I'm I feel fine

2725
03:38:39,439 --> 03:38:47,120
» not being there. I
>> I think I mean it seems like all of our

2726
03:38:44,080 --> 03:38:50,279
general consensus is that we do want to
move ahead.

2727
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:56,560
Really nice to hear that there is
flexibility in terms of the timeline.

2728
03:38:54,800 --> 03:39:03,439
» Nice to hear that there is flexibility
in terms of their follow through with

2729
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:05,439
» Yeah. the you know like we will be
available to you

2730
03:39:04,800 --> 03:39:11,760
» right
>> and I think making it seemed like Mary

2731
03:39:09,120 --> 03:39:17,439
said that that there could be some
adjustments in I don't know if it's

2732
03:39:14,319 --> 03:39:22,239
wording in the contract about ongoing
availability for

2733
03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:27,040
» so yeah under um the terms I I asked her
if we go ahead and get that updated

2734
03:39:23,680 --> 03:39:31,120
» yeah okay well let's let's um table the
vote until the next meeting y

2735
03:39:29,359 --> 03:39:36,319
» and Rebecca can follow up on the
language. We can bring Jacqueline up and

2736
03:39:33,760 --> 03:39:40,319
stuff. We can allow medical services to
review appendic.

2737
03:39:38,319 --> 03:39:47,359
» What Rebecca and I talked about before
the meeting was to um allow medical

2738
03:39:44,080 --> 03:39:51,680
services board to have appendix A.
We kind of feel like and I agree with

2739
03:39:49,120 --> 03:39:56,640
Rebecca that um the contracts fall
within the scope of the select board

2740
03:39:54,160 --> 03:40:00,640
itself. The contract is more of a
professional arrangement between the

2741
03:39:58,560 --> 03:40:05,040
business entity and the town. that the
appendix pertains to what the medical

2742
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:08,080
services board you would be in this
process. So

2743
03:40:06,239 --> 03:40:11,840
» giving the medical services board
appendix A and then coming back in two

2744
03:40:10,640 --> 03:40:14,800
weeks for a vote.
>> Yeah, I think that that sounds like a

2745
03:40:13,840 --> 03:40:19,439
good compromise.
>> Yes. All right.

2746
03:40:16,160 --> 03:40:24,000
» And I do I do agree that
you know not holding off until January.

2747
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:28,560
» Yes, I agree too to start. I would love
to have Lorraine part of this

2748
03:40:26,239 --> 03:40:33,279
» and and not to say that she wouldn't
also if we waited be available but I do

2749
03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:37,760
think you know
>> Yeah.

2750
03:40:35,120 --> 03:40:42,960
» Why not start? Yeah. I think why not?
>> Yep.

2751
03:40:38,160 --> 03:40:48,239
» Okay. So, um table vote until 9:16. All
right. Moving on to new business. These

2752
03:40:45,279 --> 03:40:54,160
are two relatively small items. Um let's
just see if we can get through quick.

2753
03:40:51,439 --> 03:40:58,800
So, we'll move on to
motor vehicle speed limit. Um,

2754
03:40:56,399 --> 03:41:07,040
everybody's reviewed this has come up at
the last meeting.

2755
03:41:02,080 --> 03:41:11,520
» I just I was having a hard time actually
telling where it where the spot at when

2756
03:41:10,399 --> 03:41:13,840
I was looking through that.
>> You don't need to decide whether there's

2757
03:41:12,960 --> 03:41:17,920
the right spot.
>> Well, it's pretty much Main Street up to

2758
03:41:16,640 --> 03:41:20,080
Crabtree Point.
>> Yeah.

2759
03:41:18,560 --> 03:41:26,319
» In just a small portion of Crab Tree
Point. they they break it down into

2760
03:41:23,120 --> 03:41:30,800
little of that of that
>> so if the board just you know as far as

2761
03:41:28,640 --> 03:41:37,200
my letter um that's all that's required
is a letter to MDOT um and then I can

2762
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:41,680
get this emailed over
>> um and then start the process I make a

2763
03:41:39,120 --> 03:41:45,680
motion and defend the letter
>> start process second from Charlie

2764
03:41:44,479 --> 03:41:50,239
discussion
>> so I I agree I think it should happen I

2765
03:41:48,720 --> 03:41:54,319
just want to make sure
Okay. Any cost to us?

2766
03:41:53,120 --> 03:41:58,560
» That was my question.
>> No.

2767
03:41:54,800 --> 03:42:04,479
» Okay. Uh
anything required of us splash you know

2768
03:42:02,640 --> 03:42:07,439
right
>> is he is he doing them?

2769
03:42:06,640 --> 03:42:12,720
» No
>> they're sending out. So he does not

2770
03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:14,160
there's no additional
>> duties for him.

2771
03:42:13,359 --> 03:42:20,000
» Duties for him.
>> Yeah.

2772
03:42:14,800 --> 03:42:27,520
» Okay. The the purpose the purpose of
this is to

2773
03:42:22,960 --> 03:42:34,399
make sure that the speed limits that
currently are in place are correct for

2774
03:42:32,880 --> 03:42:37,840
» So the speed limits that are in place
are are not correct because there's

2775
03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:42,160
never been a a survey done.
>> Okay.

2776
03:42:38,319 --> 03:42:45,920
» So in on rural roads um if there's no
speed limit that has been assigned by

2777
03:42:44,000 --> 03:42:48,080
the state it's 45. Y.
>> So you have some roads that are posted

2778
03:42:47,439 --> 03:42:50,640
40.
>> Uhhuh.

2779
03:42:48,560 --> 03:42:54,319
» And then so like Crabtree Point, if you
did 45 down Crabtree Point, somebody's

2780
03:42:52,800 --> 03:43:00,399
going off the road and getting into an
accident. Yeah. So we just kind of

2781
03:42:57,279 --> 03:43:04,080
» establish appropriate speeds for the
roads and the conditions.

2782
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:07,279
» Okay. So is there a reason that we're
just doing Main Street and a portion of

2783
03:43:06,399 --> 03:43:11,920
Crabree Point?
>> No. Those are already done.

2784
03:43:10,239 --> 03:43:14,880
» That's what that spreadsheet is.
>> Yeah.

2785
03:43:12,399 --> 03:43:20,000
» And that's where it says Okay. Okay.
Okay. So, what's the speed limit?

2786
03:43:17,760 --> 03:43:25,520
» This would be from
like the entire length of Cry Point,

2787
03:43:22,479 --> 03:43:28,319
Middle Road, Northshore, Southshore,
>> right?

2788
03:43:25,840 --> 03:43:32,160
» And then potentially there might be some
I think most of the sides are covered

2789
03:43:30,399 --> 03:43:35,920
like iron point is covered.
>> I cannot find that little

2790
03:43:34,080 --> 03:43:41,760
» It could be Indian point needs to be
done as well, I'm assuming. But no, this

2791
03:43:38,319 --> 03:43:46,560
is to this is to actually to take
>> from my understanding is to take this

2792
03:43:44,319 --> 03:43:50,239
document that the state has for the town
that these are the official roads that

2793
03:43:48,080 --> 03:43:53,199
have been surveyed for Got it.
>> And to expand upon it for to cover all

2794
03:43:52,640 --> 03:43:56,560
of the roads
>> and so they will do everywhere else.

2795
03:43:55,920 --> 03:44:02,000
» Yes.
>> Great. And then if someone's speeding

2796
03:44:00,479 --> 03:44:08,319
» Yeah. You know, in other words, if
they're going

2797
03:44:04,479 --> 03:44:10,080
45 in a zone that really should be 25,
yeah,

2798
03:44:08,640 --> 03:44:13,840
» they could get stopped.
>> Uhhuh. Uhhuh.

2799
03:44:11,199 --> 03:44:17,680
» I think that the community will find
depending on what how the study goes and

2800
03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:22,640
what time of year and not that's kind of
key too with the summer community is

2801
03:44:20,080 --> 03:44:27,359
that roads are probably going to be
officially posted like 35 on the

2802
03:44:26,239 --> 03:44:30,399
secondary road.
>> Great. That's like I love that.

2803
03:44:29,575 --> 03:44:35,120
[laughter] But
>> that means we can we can all drive golf

2804
03:44:32,560 --> 03:44:39,359
carts technically. I think we can get
into maybe if we get through some of

2805
03:44:36,800 --> 03:44:41,680
this other large work we got ahead of
us, we can discuss that. I think that's

2806
03:44:40,960 --> 03:44:45,439
a great idea.
>> I kind of do too honestly. I know it's

2807
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:48,160
probably not the
>> everybody's opinion, but Okay.

2808
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:50,880
» Okay. Motion.
>> Yep.

2809
03:44:48,880 --> 03:44:54,000
» Discuss. Any more discussion?
>> All those in favor?

2810
03:44:51,920 --> 03:44:59,520
» I
Okay. Moving on to fitness center

2811
03:44:56,640 --> 03:45:03,840
instructor request. Um did everyone
understand

2812
03:45:01,040 --> 03:45:12,560
um what was laid out in the packet in
terms of what has currently been um

2813
03:45:09,040 --> 03:45:17,199
leveled for fee on behalf of instructors
working within the facility and what is

2814
03:45:15,359 --> 03:45:21,760
being asked for the increase?
>> Well, I guess I don't know much of

2815
03:45:18,720 --> 03:45:28,560
history of of of that. Has the town
always paid uh the employees of the

2816
03:45:25,040 --> 03:45:32,560
fitness centers or employ?
>> Yeah, so there's a there's a line item

2817
03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:36,239
within the fitness center. It's usually
pretty small. I think it's like last

2818
03:45:34,160 --> 03:45:44,239
year was $1,500
>> for Liza as the head of the fitness

2819
03:45:40,399 --> 03:45:49,439
center to um provide a stipend if you
will for people to come in and offer

2820
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:52,319
classes. like so cat's done it,
Catherine's done it. Um

2821
03:45:51,279 --> 03:45:54,960
» Jamie Lane,
>> yeah, there's been a host of people that

2822
03:45:53,840 --> 03:46:03,920
have done it.
>> Um and part of that is to elicit more um

2823
03:46:00,399 --> 03:46:09,760
people to actually get memberships to um
the facility and also just to provide um

2824
03:46:07,120 --> 03:46:13,600
opportunities within it and um encourage
wellness and health. I don't think we

2825
03:46:12,319 --> 03:46:19,680
should get into it here. I think we
should stay focused on um the request on

2826
03:46:16,479 --> 03:46:26,160
behalf of Pat as an instructor there for
her 8week session. But I will say that

2827
03:46:22,399 --> 03:46:32,399
we could down the road sooner than later
say that but at some point sort of touch

2828
03:46:29,920 --> 03:46:37,840
bring this back up at a board meeting um
because Rebecca Jacqueline and I talked

2829
03:46:34,960 --> 03:46:42,720
about the job description for Liza as
the head of the heading the facility.

2830
03:46:40,399 --> 03:46:48,640
But also um I just had some general
questions about sort of this

2831
03:46:45,680 --> 03:46:54,239
» um um I think there's a perception from
some in the past that there very well

2832
03:46:51,600 --> 03:47:00,640
may have been instructors that have done
things there that were charging people

2833
03:46:57,439 --> 03:47:05,359
themselves. And I think that we have to
like develop some sort of policy that's

2834
03:47:03,120 --> 03:47:10,080
like instructors who work in that
facility are are paid by the town and

2835
03:47:08,160 --> 03:47:14,479
they're not charging because the
otherwise they're using the town

2836
03:47:11,920 --> 03:47:18,000
facility for their own
that needs to be addressed. I think

2837
03:47:15,760 --> 03:47:22,160
there's a confusing thing about that is
that

2838
03:47:20,560 --> 03:47:32,560
» do
do you then close off those classes to

2839
03:47:27,520 --> 03:47:38,160
non- gym members? So essentially
with this class offering it is free to

2840
03:47:36,800 --> 03:47:44,160
gym members.
>> Yes. But if someone who is not yet a gym

2841
03:47:41,439 --> 03:47:49,520
member wanted to take that class
currently they are able to do that but

2842
03:47:47,279 --> 03:47:54,080
» they and they pay the instructor
personally. No they like so no they

2843
03:47:52,239 --> 03:47:58,479
would pay the town too. So there are
some instructors that have done it

2844
03:47:56,640 --> 03:48:02,319
separate from the town and they get paid
and they use the space for free. So, I

2845
03:48:00,640 --> 03:48:05,120
have spoken to Eliza. We actually
created somewhat of a draft drop

2846
03:48:04,160 --> 03:48:10,399
description,
>> but to have a workshop or something to

2847
03:48:07,359 --> 03:48:11,439
talk about that those setups, the fees
and all of that.

2848
03:48:11,199 --> 03:48:16,319
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because I know in the past, like

2849
03:48:13,760 --> 03:48:20,080
when Katherine did her class, um it was
open to gym members. If you weren't a

2850
03:48:18,399 --> 03:48:22,758
member and you wanted to join, like
there was a community member who didn't

2851
03:48:21,840 --> 03:48:27,040
have a membership.
>> [clears throat]

2852
03:48:22,800 --> 03:48:32,479
» her first class when she came paid um
Liza had assessed a fee for non-members

2853
03:48:29,760 --> 03:48:36,160
to to attend a class. It was a$5 or $10
per class. So it's like you get to use

2854
03:48:34,479 --> 03:48:38,800
the facility just for that class,
>> right?

2855
03:48:36,800 --> 03:48:42,960
» But that needs to be in writing. So it's
very clear so that we're not providing

2856
03:48:41,199 --> 03:48:46,160
the space for somebody to create a
business out of

2857
03:48:44,239 --> 03:48:52,160
» and I think it might be good to have it
be you know just a general across the

2858
03:48:49,600 --> 03:48:54,560
board because I do know that they're
well I guess I don't know for sure if we

2859
03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:57,680
have
>> we'll do a workshop

2860
03:48:56,000 --> 03:49:02,880
» but then there's there's another
difference where there are people that

2861
03:48:59,680 --> 03:49:08,000
are paying to rent the space
and those people are charging. This is

2862
03:49:06,399 --> 03:49:11,199
we need to have all of this in writing
and this need definitely needs to be a

2863
03:49:09,439 --> 03:49:13,760
workshop because aside from the
liability component it's

2864
03:49:12,560 --> 03:49:17,199
» right that's what I'm
>> Yes. Yeah.

2865
03:49:14,560 --> 03:49:23,199
» Yeah. Um we need to workshop this at
some point

2866
03:49:18,399 --> 03:49:28,720
» but the request right now is uh from CAT
for we two classes per week um

2867
03:49:27,199 --> 03:49:34,880
empowerment
hour group uh class

2868
03:49:31,600 --> 03:49:41,199
um previous rate was 500 um for the
8week program

2869
03:49:36,960 --> 03:49:46,640
um she is asking for roughly 15%
increase to bring the total up to $66.

2870
03:49:44,080 --> 03:49:51,199
$6.25.
Um, so

2871
03:49:48,960 --> 03:49:55,040
» I make a motion that we do it, but then
they have something to say.

2872
03:49:52,479 --> 03:50:00,640
» Okay. Motion
second to Charlie. More discussion.

2873
03:49:57,439 --> 03:50:03,920
» Okay. Normally, usually I don't agree to
things like that. Like if you said

2874
03:50:02,239 --> 03:50:08,160
you're going to do it for this
>> and

2875
03:50:05,439 --> 03:50:11,920
then you decide you want more, you have
to wait till the next time you do it.

2876
03:50:10,080 --> 03:50:18,319
Propne I hope this isn't setting a bad
president but it seems like a fair uh

2877
03:50:16,000 --> 03:50:23,199
request to me. I mean for one thing
she's getting

2878
03:50:20,319 --> 03:50:28,479
whatever it was 20
>> it was over 20 people in each class. But

2879
03:50:26,479 --> 03:50:31,439
but how much an hour?
>> Yeah at 500.

2880
03:50:30,479 --> 03:50:37,120
» Okay.
>> I broke it down. So the current the the

2881
03:50:33,520 --> 03:50:43,199
new proposed rate of 600 over the the
8week two pauses per week it equates to

2882
03:50:41,680 --> 03:50:47,600
$37
and change per hour

2883
03:50:44,960 --> 03:50:51,199
» which the thing is the class is not the
only time she's working you know she has

2884
03:50:49,600 --> 03:50:54,800
to plan the class sure
>> and all that kind of stuff. So

2885
03:50:53,520 --> 03:50:58,880
» that's why I think it's
>> and because the class was so big she

2886
03:50:56,560 --> 03:51:03,359
actually had to have it out in the open
area so she was cleany.

2887
03:51:01,920 --> 03:51:07,279
Yeah. And she's brought in people that
didn't have memberships that decided to

2888
03:51:04,800 --> 03:51:11,600
get memberships, which is a fair point.
>> And I do know from personal experience

2889
03:51:09,439 --> 03:51:16,080
that to get certified as a personal
trainers that Cat is,

2890
03:51:13,760 --> 03:51:20,800
» it's a very time consuming and expensive
process to do that. So it's, you know,

2891
03:51:18,399 --> 03:51:24,800
she does and she is credentialed in that
particular area.

2892
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:29,520
» Um, I think it's reasonable. I
>> and I don't know. I can't tell from the

2893
03:51:27,199 --> 03:51:33,920
way it's worded. I think that she has
done this class at the 500 and and maybe

2894
03:51:32,319 --> 03:51:37,920
she's in the middle, but I think this is
in preparation for the next class. I

2895
03:51:36,239 --> 03:51:41,920
don't I don't think she's asking for
this in the middle of the current class.

2896
03:51:40,000 --> 03:51:44,080
» I think she just she just finished it.
So, she's

2897
03:51:42,479 --> 03:51:46,000
» she did she did eight weeks in the
winter.

2898
03:51:45,680 --> 03:51:50,960
» Yeah,
>> I know. Cuz I took them that I think was

2899
03:51:48,319 --> 03:51:54,479
at the $500. I think this is for the
summer. Eight weeks.

2900
03:51:52,399 --> 03:51:57,199
» She's already She's already done the
summer.

2901
03:51:55,120 --> 03:52:01,920
» So, it is to your point. I think there I
think he is planning to do another

2902
03:51:59,439 --> 03:52:05,120
winter session
>> which I would assume would be at the

2903
03:52:03,279 --> 03:52:11,840
current but I think that this is for the
summer 8 weeks. The other thing I will

2904
03:52:08,399 --> 03:52:15,279
just say is I agree to this. I I think I
think it is fair. I think it's

2905
03:52:13,120 --> 03:52:22,800
reasonable. I think it's fair. I would
like to for us to sort of think about,

2906
03:52:18,640 --> 03:52:28,080
you know, what what is our sort of max
and if we are going to hire, you know,

2907
03:52:25,680 --> 03:52:34,560
hopefully there are more instructors
that want to do this and what are we

2908
03:52:31,439 --> 03:52:38,640
then going to say is our this is what we
pay.

2909
03:52:35,120 --> 03:52:41,120
» Well, so this is definitely workshop
discussion because yes,

2910
03:52:40,720 --> 03:52:42,880
» great.
>> Yeah.

2911
03:52:41,600 --> 03:52:46,640
» Okay. And there might be something you
might want to say, okay, this is what we

2912
03:52:44,319 --> 03:52:50,640
pay and then
>> if it's successful

2913
03:52:48,399 --> 03:52:53,680
» for every person over this many people,
get an extra dollar an hour, something

2914
03:52:52,319 --> 03:52:59,359
like that.
>> Yeah, I whatever. I'm sure I'm sure

2915
03:52:56,800 --> 03:53:02,720
there's some samples out there
>> of how people.

2916
03:53:00,560 --> 03:53:06,199
» Okay. Any more discussion relevant to
the request?

2917
03:53:07,279 --> 03:53:12,720
» Hearing none. Others in favor?
>> Yes.

2918
03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:17,720
on your calendar workshop.

2919
03:53:19,600 --> 03:53:26,640
» Well, I love them. [laughter]
>> I might miss that.

2920
03:53:24,640 --> 03:53:29,439
» I So, I can do a quick update on West
District. Okay.

2921
03:53:27,520 --> 03:53:34,160
» Um, so we we just received the quick
claim deed from the attorney. Um, I have

2922
03:53:31,920 --> 03:53:38,720
sent that over to the property owner for
them to sign, get notorized, and send

2923
03:53:37,040 --> 03:53:46,640
back the original so we can file with
the registry. And then um I will help

2924
03:53:42,080 --> 03:53:50,080
them fill out IRS form 82 8283
for them to have a file through taxes.

2925
03:53:48,560 --> 03:53:51,840
We're just waiting for the quick claim
date to be able to move forward with

2926
03:53:51,439 --> 03:53:58,160
that
>> on on that quick claim deed. Was it

2927
03:53:56,560 --> 03:54:03,920
remember where it came across there was
some banter about there was a right of

2928
03:54:02,160 --> 03:54:10,160
first refusal within
>> those people are now deceased. So

2929
03:54:06,880 --> 03:54:16,000
» so in the when people are deceased and
labelled within a deed for first refusal

2930
03:54:12,720 --> 03:54:18,560
it doesn't go to their heirs.
>> Okay.

2931
03:54:16,720 --> 03:54:25,359
» Correct.
>> Okay.

2932
03:54:21,359 --> 03:54:29,439
Great. Um so do they have to pay sales?
Do they have to pay property tax?

2933
03:54:27,920 --> 03:54:31,520
» No.
Okay.

2934
03:54:31,040 --> 03:54:34,479
» Even though
>> it it'll be it'll be ahead,

2935
03:54:33,840 --> 03:54:39,279
» right?
>> Yeah. I mean that's it'll be requested.

2936
03:54:37,760 --> 03:54:47,120
Yes,
>> I I agree with that. I

2937
03:54:43,040 --> 03:54:53,920
» Okay. Um All right. So, moving on. Uh
make a motion to enter executive session

2938
03:54:49,439 --> 03:54:57,399
MRSA title one chapter 13 subchapter 1
for personnel.

2939
03:54:57,520 --> 03:55:00,520
Move.

2940
03:55:00,640 --> 03:55:08,917
Second. All those in favor. I All
right, give me one second.

2941
03:55:06,897 --> 03:55:08,917
[clears throat]