[23:02] Maybe this isn't going to be here. You
[23:04] may have to have
[23:05] >> Okay. Like to call the order. Wednesday,
[23:06] August 19th, planning commission
[23:08] meeting, please. Roll call. Rodrik,
[23:10] >> present.
[23:11] >> Candace,
[23:12] >> here.
[23:13] >> Tim D absent. Bill
[23:16] >> present.
[23:17] >> Jared
[23:17] >> here. Randall
[23:19] >> present
[23:20] >> and Tim present. Okay. Item number two,
[23:23] review and approve minutes from the
[23:24] planning commission meeting of June
[23:25] 24th, 2026.
[23:29] When I have to review, I'll take a
[23:30] motion.
[23:35] » Make a motion to approve.
[23:38] >> Is there a second?
[23:39] >> A second.
[23:40] >> Any corrections, comments, or changes?
[23:43] All in favor say I.
[23:44] >> I.
[23:46] >> Okay. Item number three is open public
[23:47] hearing. Public hearing for petitioner
[23:48] by the Wisconsin de development of LLC
[23:52] to reszone 850 6th Street North Hudson
[23:56] from C3 Industrial Commercial to RA
[23:59] limited to family residential district.
[24:02] Public hearing allows anybody in the
[24:03] residence to come up and speak. Provide
[24:05] your name, your address, and please
[24:07] limit to two minutes. Try not to repeat
[24:09] any prior to the person in front of you.
[24:14] And that gives you opportunity to talk
[24:15] and speak. So, anybody want willing to
[24:17] step up first on this initial open
[24:20] public hearing?
[24:25] » There you go, sir. Thank you.
[24:38] Uh, good evening. My name is Sean Bohan,
[24:40] engineer with Advanced Engineering
[24:42] Concepts. Um, working with the
[24:45] developers. Um, we are looking to end up
[24:47] um having this reszone from a C3 to the
[24:50] RA, the limited two family residential
[24:53] district. Um, I won't go through the the
[24:57] whole thing. This is like our third time
[24:58] here, so I think everybody knows the
[25:00] property that we're discussing on
[25:01] Station Lane. Um, and we've been here
[25:06] before talking about the apartments. Uh,
[25:08] we listen to the concerns of the
[25:09] neighborhood. Um, concerns about
[25:12] traffic, concerns about the height of
[25:14] the building. um just the number of
[25:16] units, that type of stuff. The first
[25:18] time we ended up coming, it was like 48
[25:20] to 50 for an for an apartment building.
[25:23] Um we down uh we went down to um uh 27
[25:28] units, but it was still going to end up
[25:30] being like a high density multifamily
[25:32] zoning. Now we're looking at doing uh
[25:35] twin homes. Um and we're looking at um
[25:38] proposing around seven of them um which
[25:41] would be 14 total units. It's going to
[25:43] end up being um a condo plat. It's not
[25:46] going to end up being with like private
[25:48] road access and everything with them. Um
[25:51] the buildings vary in size and stuff
[25:54] like that, but they're basically, you
[25:55] know, duplex units, but we're going to
[25:57] be able to sell each each one of them um
[26:00] each one of the sides and stuff. Um we
[26:02] do end up having access that comes off a
[26:04] station lane. Uh we are providing a
[26:07] hammerhead turnaround for emergency
[26:09] vehicles um and stuff into the site.
[26:12] You'll have two of them um accessing
[26:14] station lane and then the remaining five
[26:16] or 10 units total that would end up
[26:18] being off of the private road. Um we'll
[26:21] end up having storm water facilities
[26:23] that will be within the site would
[26:24] probably be in like the southwest corner
[26:26] of the site. Um and then it would
[26:28] discharge into um a 50 foot easement,
[26:31] drainage easement and stuff that that
[26:33] comes across this property. So um and
[26:36] that continues basically kind of to the
[26:38] south and to the west um before entering
[26:41] the river. So, um, pretty simple. Um, a
[26:45] lot different than, um, you know, the
[26:48] other ones that we were proposing. This
[26:50] would be in like a homeowners
[26:51] association. So, you'd have an
[26:52] association that would essentially be
[26:54] taking care of lawns and any type of,
[26:56] you know, the the access into it,
[26:58] pavement, that type of thing. Um, but
[27:01] quite a diff quite a bit different. Um I
[27:04] think the neighborhood would end up
[27:05] agreeing and being happy the fact that
[27:07] they don't end up having a three-story
[27:09] building I think was like their biggest
[27:10] complaint along with a number of units.
[27:12] So um so going from 50 down to 27 down
[27:17] to 14. Um and the buildings being either
[27:21] single story or potential could be a
[27:24] twotory and stuff like that but not the
[27:26] threetory that they were concerned
[27:27] about. So, um, and with that, I'll end
[27:30] up answering any questions that the
[27:32] commission may end up having. And I I
[27:35] guess I'd prefer like I know last time
[27:37] it got out of hand a little bit.
[27:39] >> Yeah, we're going to keep it organized.
[27:40] >> I'm going to um,
[27:41] >> you know, if you guys don't have any
[27:43] questions um, and if people are coming
[27:46] up here and asking, they can end up
[27:48] making statements. I can come up and
[27:49] answering them after that. Not the back
[27:51] and forth and stuff like that. That went
[27:53] last time. That was
[27:54] >> I think a little uncalled for. Yeah.
[27:56] >> Yep. Yep. We'll focus. Anybody on the
[27:59] commission here want to any questions in
[28:00] general?
[28:02] >> Just one on the two units that are off
[28:05] station lane.
[28:07] >> So they'll be the entrance to the
[28:09] property
[28:11] >> green space then driveway then green
[28:13] space then driveway
[28:15] like three three separate openings on
[28:18] station lane.
[28:19] >> There will be
[28:21] >> station lane is right here.
[28:26] So yeah, you'll end up having we have
[28:28] one of the driveways that's across from
[28:29] the existing home. Uh there's another
[28:32] one that sits right here. So you end up
[28:34] having access here and two driveways
[28:36] here. Those driveways are narrow off.
[28:38] They're not going to be like the full
[28:39] work that goes out to it. Mhm.
[28:41] >> Um but there are, you know, going for
[28:44] the zoning, we'll have to be coming back
[28:45] for um I think through maybe the
[28:48] conditional use or the cup process
[28:51] because there are certain things that um
[28:54] we're going to be needing to talk about
[28:56] and stuff like that as far as like the
[28:58] density and that type of stuff with the
[28:59] lot sizes since it's a condo plat.
[29:01] They're not um your typical lots that
[29:04] would be fronting a public street. Um,
[29:07] so there's a few things that we still
[29:09] need to end up working through.
[29:11] >> So
[29:14] >> that's all I had to come back.
[29:16] >> Okay. Nothing else.
[29:22] » I guess nothing. Sean, no. Anybody else?
[29:24] Any want to statement, comments,
[29:26] questions on this?
[29:29] I mean, it's this is pretty preliminary.
[29:31] I mean
[29:33] there's no measurements or anything so
[29:35] we I don't really see all the setbacks
[29:37] and measurements and if that hammerhead
[29:41] turnaround is wide enough for
[29:45] >> emergency use and I mean that will have
[29:49] to be addressed but that'll
[29:51] >> be addressed in the future. I do think
[29:52] this is a
[29:55] >> I think it fits better into our
[29:57] community than what was proposed before
[29:59] and I commend it.
[30:03] Anybody out on the on the residential
[30:05] side want to come up and speak? You have
[30:06] to step up to the mic and announce your
[30:08] name, please. Yep.
[30:18] So, my name is Steve Schwab and I'm a
[30:20] resident of over in Station Circle and I
[30:23] just have a just a few questions. One
[30:25] for the city is what uh and I know that
[30:29] this This isn't you don't have a plan
[30:31] yet, but something that you're going to
[30:33] have to come up with is um what you're
[30:36] going to do to the street and u to to
[30:40] accommodate the traffic that's going to
[30:42] come in from, you know, from that side.
[30:44] So, is the street going to be widened?
[30:47] Um because right now there's there's
[30:49] barely room for two cars to pass, you
[30:52] know, that at that site. So, is there
[30:54] going to be another lane of traffic, you
[30:57] know, for those, you know, for entrance
[30:59] and egress off of Station Lane? So,
[31:02] that's one concern that I have.
[31:05] Uh, is the intersection going to be
[31:07] upgraded to potentially put in a stop
[31:10] and go light at that intersection?
[31:15] And then as far as the the buildings,
[31:17] the questions that I have, are each of
[31:19] the units going to be providing two
[31:23] parking uh spaces like a two-car garage?
[31:27] And is what is going to be available
[31:30] space-wise for overflow parking? Because
[31:33] we have absolutely no space on station
[31:36] lane for for car parking. Zero. So
[31:40] that's that's the biggest concern that
[31:42] we've got. And the same thing for snow
[31:45] storage or snow removal. There's no
[31:48] place to put that on station lane. So
[31:50] that's going to have to be
[31:53] only on that on that site.
[31:56] And then you're talking about one or two
[31:59] entrances onto station lane. Did I
[32:02] misunderstand?
[32:04] >> No, that's what he stated. Yep. On top.
[32:05] Y
[32:06] >> So I don't know how two entrances or
[32:09] exits onto station lane. and they're
[32:11] right next to each other would uh would
[32:13] work. That's a really busy intersection.
[32:16] You don't have a lot of wiggle room for
[32:18] getting in and out of there. So, it
[32:21] would be best if there could just be
[32:24] one. So people coming on station lane
[32:27] aren't trying to figure out who's coming
[32:29] and who's going from two different
[32:30] locations or so it' be the the parking
[32:34] situation is one thing that uh we would
[32:38] be very concerned about
[32:40] and providing for each unit two car
[32:44] spaces.
[32:46] >> Okay.
[32:47] >> I guess
[32:47] >> thank you Steve.
[32:51] >> Anyone else?
[33:05] per your LenM 226 Station Lane North,
[33:10] your um two family residents, according
[33:13] to your zoning code, you have to have a
[33:15] minimum of 15,000 square feet per unit.
[33:20] And I just want to know are they
[33:21] complying with that? The next thing is
[33:25] each lot is to be at least 100 feet
[33:27] wide. Are they complying with that?
[33:32] Minimum floor unit is 800 square ft per
[33:36] unit. Are they complying with that? And
[33:38] as Steve brought up
[33:41] prior to this, they always wanted a
[33:43] variance on parking spaces. the code
[33:46] still says two units, excuse me, two
[33:48] spaces per family and are they trying to
[33:52] get a variance on that? I want to know
[33:54] that if that is the case,
[33:57] >> thank you, Len.
[33:59] >> So, I think just to clarify for
[34:01] everybody here,
[34:03] >> we're not approving a site plan or any
[34:06] kind of project.
[34:07] >> I understand that. The only thing is
[34:11] changing it to a residential zoning from
[34:14] a commercial zoning. It's going to be up
[34:17] to them to comply with the zoning code
[34:20] and get any variances.
[34:23] That's further down the road. We're just
[34:25] talking about whether this is an
[34:27] appropriate use as residential versus
[34:30] commercial for this property tonight.
[34:35] Anyone else?
[34:47] name is Pat Coffee, live at 560 Summers
[34:51] Landing Road North. Um, I would like to
[34:54] say thank you for listening to the
[34:56] concerns that we've had in the past as
[34:58] far as the height and everything like
[34:59] that. That definitely is an improvement
[35:02] considering it's basically my backyard.
[35:06] And I guess the main question that we
[35:08] were going to have is just making sure
[35:10] that we're not trying to jam as many
[35:11] things as we can so that they can fit.
[35:14] But also, are these going to be rental
[35:16] or are these going to be purchase? And
[35:18] that was I guess the biggest question we
[35:20] have. Now, I know these are just the
[35:21] planning stages for the resoning, but
[35:25] just anticipating things in the future.
[35:28] >> Thank you.
[35:28] Pat. Anything
[35:32] else, sir?
[35:32] >> Yeah.
[35:34] >> Thanks.
[35:44] » Yeah. Timothy Higgins, 355 Station Lane.
[35:48] Um my wife and I have been living in the
[35:50] neighborhood for 32 years and it's been
[35:52] really nice having that as a a vacant
[35:55] wildlife piece of property um for that
[35:57] time that we've been living here. Uh
[36:00] again there's there's just a lot of
[36:01] issues with um you know questions that
[36:04] have already been asked. You know are
[36:05] these for sale? Are they rental? What is
[36:07] your price point on that? Um because
[36:10] that that puts a question mark in as to
[36:13] who's going to be moving in there. this
[36:15] question of now two entrances and exits
[36:18] uh on the uh on the same u station lane.
[36:21] Where is that first cut and the second
[36:24] cut? That's a big question I have uh on
[36:27] this situation. Um and then you know
[36:30] meeting all the codes and the fire
[36:31] safety and uh all the other issues that
[36:35] come with a a residential area. Should
[36:37] have been a residential area from the
[36:39] start when this property was first cut
[36:42] off. uh never should have been cut off
[36:44] and in my opinion should have been part
[36:46] of the same neighborhood and just had
[36:48] houses there and then we wouldn't be uh
[36:50] here for the fourth time on this issue
[36:54] uh as many as the half a dozen times
[36:56] when it became a C3. So lots of time
[36:59] being spent on something that uh really
[37:02] shouldn't exist anyway. Uh that's it.
[37:05] >> Thank you Tim.
[37:06] >> Yep.
[37:09] Anyone if I photograph this?
[37:11] >> Certainly.
[37:14] Anyone else?
[37:20] One more time. Anyone else?
[37:23] Okay, that closes the open hearing,
[37:26] public hearing. We'll move on to number
[37:30] six which is the petition for the
[37:32] reszoning the 856 6 street 850 I'm sorry
[37:35] 6th street north C3 industrial to RA
[37:38] limited two family residential district
[37:39] discussion of possible recommendation
[37:41] from the planning commission
[37:46] I'll entertain a motion first before we
[37:48] discuss
[37:50] move approval
[37:56] » I'll Second.
[37:56] >> Second.
[37:58] >> I'm sorry. Who what was the first
[37:59] motion?
[38:00] >> Move to approve.
[38:01] >> Thank you. You have a second. You move
[38:03] approve.
[38:04] >> Thank you. We have a second. Okay. Open
[38:06] discussion. Anybody?
[38:10] » I just would like to add I think the
[38:12] developers come a long way from the
[38:14] original plans we saw and the density
[38:16] issues and some of the big concerns for
[38:18] the neighborhood overall with traffic. I
[38:22] think the site plan will play out in
[38:24] future meetings and get the detail
[38:26] there. Uh but as far as a reasonzoning
[38:29] for the commercial to the uh two family,
[38:32] I think is step in the right direction.
[38:38] » Anyone else?
[38:43] » Okay, no other comments. Let's go. Do by
[38:47] hand by by name. Rand uh Rodri.
[38:50] >> Yes. Candace,
[38:52] >> yes.
[38:53] >> Tim is gone. Bill,
[38:55] >> yes.
[38:55] >> Jared,
[38:56] >> yes.
[38:57] >> Randall,
[38:58] >> yes.
[38:59] >> And Tim, yes. That passes. That moves
[39:01] forward.
[39:03] All right. Move on to item number two.
[39:05] I'm going to excuse myself and Candace
[39:07] is going to take that over for a few
[39:08] minutes. Thank you guys.
[39:11] >> Thank you.
[39:14] >> Okay, Tim is leaving.
[39:18] We have um another open public hearing conditional use permit
[39:23] application from Tim Zeiss for the North
[39:25] Hudson Pepper from the North Hudson
[39:28] Pepper Festival, Inc. to construct a
[39:30] community center and pavilion located at
[39:32] 704 Monroe Street North.
[39:36] Is there anyone here who wants to speak
[39:38] about that? Go ahead. Okay. Wait, who's
[39:41] you're going to go first? Okay. So, just
[39:43] same rules, keep it to two minutes. name
[39:45] and where you live and
[39:49] >> uh good evening commission. My name is
[39:50] Julian Hick, 712 Pine Street North. I'm
[39:53] here on behalf of Pepper Festival, Inc.
[39:55] Um I'm here requesting an addendum to
[39:57] our already approved conditional use
[39:58] permit and that would be to extend our
[40:01] start time of the project. Uh we had
[40:03] some delays in the start of construct
[40:05] construction that um several factors
[40:07] were involved. we needed to align with
[40:09] our building contractor um completing
[40:11] the construction details and
[40:13] establishing funding. Um as of today,
[40:16] all of that has been completed. So, our
[40:17] intentions are to still abide by the
[40:19] following conditions laid out prior,
[40:21] which were the planning commission's
[40:23] conditional use permit conditions for
[40:25] approval by the village board from June
[40:27] 3rd meeting of 2025.
[40:29] Um all operations shall comply within
[40:31] federal and state regulations, local
[40:33] ordinances, and state fire and NFPA
[40:35] codes. Property must pass a satisfactory
[40:38] fire inspection. Uh the site plan must
[40:40] be reviewed and approved by the planning
[40:42] commission for compliance with zoning
[40:44] standards, including setbacks, building
[40:46] size, and height requirements.
[40:48] Um
[40:50] parking for the building occupancy shall
[40:52] conform with municipal code 98-31C.
[40:56] Uh state approved plans must be provided
[40:58] to the building inspector before buing
[41:00] permit can be issued. Uh sign permit
[41:03] must be issued by the building inspector
[41:05] prior to any sign being installed. Signs
[41:07] shall be in conformance with section
[41:09] 98-102
[41:11] signs of the municipal code. Hours of
[41:13] operation must comply with the village
[41:14] defined hours and not go beyond quiet
[41:16] hours. Um no residential occupancy. No
[41:20] commercial operation unless associated
[41:22] directly with Pepperfest nonprofit
[41:24] organization or fundraising. Um outdoor
[41:27] lighting must be low light when not in
[41:29] use. down lighting only and no tall
[41:31] poles or flood lights affecting
[41:32] neighbors. An operational plan must be
[41:35] developed and submitted for village
[41:36] board approval to define day-to-day use,
[41:39] hours, noise control, maintenance
[41:41] responsibilities, and event handling.
[41:44] Um, one changes that we made since the
[41:47] last meeting is we are not going to have
[41:49] a basement anymore. Um, the size and
[41:51] appearance will be the same to mimic
[41:53] that of the village hall. Um the front
[41:56] of the building is no bigger than a
[41:58] normal residential home and it will be
[42:01] utilized by the space that is owned by
[42:03] Pepper Festival, Inc. Um we're excited
[42:06] to see it come true and we think it's
[42:07] going to be a big asset for the North
[42:08] Hudson community.
[42:10] >> Okay,
[42:13] >> any questions
[42:15] >> at this time?
[42:16] >> Is the topic to extend the
[42:19] >> Do you have to go up to the
[42:21] >> Yeah.
[42:24] and state your name. And
[42:28] » uh my name is Jenny Nickel. I live at
[42:30] 706 Monroe Street. So right behind
[42:32] Pepperfest. I just had one question. Is
[42:34] the topic to extend the cup or is it to
[42:38] start the process over? Because I was
[42:39] under the impression that the original
[42:41] approved cup is expired.
[42:43] >> So the original one expired. They've
[42:45] applied for a new one.
[42:46] >> Okay.
[42:47] >> And that's why we're here tonight going
[42:49] through that process.
[42:50] >> Okay. I just wanted to clarify because I
[42:52] think you use the words extend. So I
[42:54] just wanted to clarify if we're
[42:55] extending or reapproving.
[42:58] Okay. So well since I'm here I'll just
[43:00] uh like I said I live at 706 so directly
[43:02] behind Pepperfest. So we are the home
[43:04] that would live next to the facility. Uh
[43:08] we do have several concerns. I
[43:10] appreciate Pepperfest bringing something
[43:12] continuing to bring something in
[43:14] community but our biggest concern is the
[43:16] scale the size of the facility. Um the
[43:19] last that I saw it was 4,800 square feet
[43:21] with a capacity of 200 people. Um that
[43:24] is an acre lot and it is does not really
[43:28] match the footprint um or really the
[43:31] community of of North Hudson. So North
[43:34] Hudson is about 3,800 people and we are
[43:38] 2.3 square feet miles, right? And so
[43:41] we're looking for a dwelling that is
[43:43] massive in size. So I will use Woodberry
[43:47] as comparison. They are a 80,000
[43:50] uh population with a uh 35.5 square foot
[43:55] mile um in size and their average
[43:59] facility is 600 to 700 square ft with a
[44:02] capacity of 20 to 24 people. Their only
[44:05] exception to this is they do have one
[44:07] facility um that is a capacity of 100
[44:10] people, but it is in a park that is 90
[44:12] acres in size. Um, you guys probably may
[44:16] say, "Well, that's Woodbury, that's
[44:17] Minnesota." Uh, when you look at our
[44:19] neighboring Town River Falls, it's a
[44:20] very similar story. They are a
[44:23] population of over 16,7.19
[44:26] miles. And at, uh, Glenn Park, which is
[44:29] their largest rental facility. It does
[44:31] have a capacity of about 200 people. Um,
[44:34] but it is also in a 40 over a 40 acre
[44:37] part park, excuse me. Um, and the square
[44:41] I couldn't find the square footage, but
[44:42] the square footage appears to be smaller
[44:45] than what Pepper Fest is proposing on a
[44:47] one um, acre lot. So, it's just it's the scale. It's the size. Um,
[44:54] obviously noise, maintenance,
[44:57] lighting. I know you guys say down
[44:59] lighting or whatever it's called. It's
[45:00] still lighting. Um, and the traffic is a
[45:04] major concern and parking. I have two
[45:06] children. We live on Monroe. Uh my
[45:09] children walk up and down that street to
[45:11] and from school activities. Um that
[45:14] street is already very very busy. And
[45:17] with the closure of Holton, that street
[45:18] is only going to get busier. Um because
[45:21] now we're increasing the traffic that is
[45:23] moving up and down that Monroe Street.
[45:26] And um also with the school
[45:28] construction, uh it is it organically
[45:32] drives all the traffic up Monroe to
[45:34] school pickup and drop off. Um, so there
[45:37] is a major concern with safety and like
[45:39] I said, parking is an issue. Um, there
[45:42] are concerns of what is currently there,
[45:44] which is an empty lot and it being
[45:46] maintained appropriately and then now
[45:48] we're talking about a 4,000 square foot
[45:52] plus building, a capacity of 200 people
[45:54] and really being used at will. Right?
[45:57] What's being proposed is I could say
[45:59] Pepperfest, I'm going to donate 50 bucks
[46:01] to you as a nonprofit and I'm going to
[46:03] throw a wedding here. Right? Um, so it's
[46:07] just again it's the scale, the capacity,
[46:10] it it just does not match the landscape
[46:12] of our community, of the neighborhood.
[46:15] Um, it's just it's much much too large.
[46:18] >> Thank you.
[46:21] >> Anyone else?
[46:31] My name is Jessica Layman and I live at
[46:34] 705 St. Croy Street North. Um, and I've
[46:37] lived in this residential community for
[46:39] 12 years and chose this location because
[46:41] of its because of its quiet character
[46:43] and residential setting. I believe it is
[46:46] important that surrounding development
[46:48] remain compatible with the existing
[46:49] neighborhood. I'm asking the plan
[46:52] commission to carefully consider the
[46:53] size and scale of the proposed event
[46:56] center. The proposed building is
[46:59] substantial in size and I would and I
[47:01] would encourage consideration of
[47:03] reducing its overall size to make it
[47:05] more combat compatible with the
[47:08] surrounding residential neighborhood and
[47:10] minimize its visual and operational
[47:13] impacts on nearby residents.
[47:17] I also request that additional
[47:19] landscaping, trees, fencing, or other
[47:22] appropriate screening be required along
[47:24] property lines adjacent to residential
[47:26] homes. Effective screening would provide
[47:29] a visual buffer and help pre preserve
[47:32] the residential character of the area.
[47:35] Noise is another concern. The facility
[47:37] should incorporate appropriate noise
[47:40] reduction measures such as sound
[47:42] insulation, strate strategic placement
[47:44] of equipment and outdoor activity areas
[47:47] and reasonable operational limitations
[47:50] to minimize noise impacts on neighboring
[47:53] properties.
[47:54] Um, I would also like clarification
[47:57] regarding the use of village owned
[47:59] property to meet Pepperfest parking
[48:01] needs. Um if public property is being
[48:04] used to support the operation of the
[48:06] proposed facility,
[48:09] uh residents and the plan commission
[48:11] should understand the terms of that
[48:12] arrangement. Um how it's how its use has
[48:16] been authorized and what the long-term
[48:18] expectations are. I also have conf
[48:22] I also have concerns about who will be
[48:25] responsible for main maintaining the
[48:27] event center and surrounding property.
[48:30] who who is going to be responsible for
[48:32] routine maintenance, landscaping, snow
[48:34] removal, parking areas, property upkeep,
[48:37] and addressing any issues that may
[48:39] arise. It would also be helpful to have
[48:41] clear expectations regarding the ongoing
[48:44] maintenance and appearance of the
[48:45] property so that neighboring residents
[48:47] are not negatively affected.
[48:50] Um, the purpose of a conditional use
[48:53] permit is to ensure that a proposed use
[48:55] can operate in a manner that protects
[48:58] neighboring properties and maintains the
[49:00] character of the community. I
[49:02] respectfully ask the plan commission to
[49:04] carefully evaluate these concerns and
[49:07] consider including conditions that
[49:09] adequately adequately address the size,
[49:12] screening, noise, parking, and overall
[49:15] impact on the surrounding residential
[49:17] neighborhood.
[49:18] >> Thank you.
[49:22] >> Anyone else?
[49:32] » Uh, I'm Roger Beavers, 419 Merchock
[49:34] Circle North. Um, I have lived in North
[49:37] Hudson since 1975, and as you can tell
[49:39] by my white hair, it's been a long time.
[49:42] Um, I appreciate your service on the
[49:44] commission and I I follow the North
[49:46] Hudson issues quite on a normal basis.
[49:52] Um, throughout my career as a business
[49:54] owner in the community and a resident
[49:56] here, I've been involved in a lot of
[49:58] nonprofits throughout my years. Um,
[50:02] the community center being proposed is
[50:06] going to fill a great void that we need
[50:09] in our community. uh with a number of
[50:11] nonprofits that we have, most of them
[50:14] have just a single office where they
[50:17] have no place to have a a good meeting
[50:19] for their volunteers or their board of
[50:22] directors. And most of your board of
[50:24] directors in the history that I have
[50:26] been involved with the nonprofits and
[50:27] I've been involved with a lot of United
[50:29] Way, Rotary, Lions, uh FIPS, um Hudson
[50:33] Backpack, Operation Help, and also North
[50:37] Hudson Pepperfest.
[50:39] Most your board of directors have 8 to
[50:40] 10 people and their volunteers, you
[50:43] know, show up for their meetings. So,
[50:45] you're not going to have the congestion
[50:46] of it that you're thinking. Yes, there
[50:48] may be some private events every now and
[50:50] then, but I don't believe it's going to
[50:52] have that big of an impact on the area
[50:55] right around it. The Pepperfest donates
[50:59] a lot of money every year to nonprofits
[51:02] to keep them going. And this is kind of
[51:05] a a situation where the nonprofits can
[51:08] come back and and help the Pepperfest in
[51:11] use utilizing this community center. The volunteers that the Pepperfest has
[51:19] are very dedicated people. And you talk
[51:22] about the maintenance and the repairs
[51:25] and the running of that community center. I have no doubt
[51:29] because the vocations of those
[51:31] volunteers are very very professional
[51:34] and educated people and they know how to
[51:37] maintain a community center. Thank you.
[51:42] >> Thank you.
[51:45] » Would anyone else like to say anything?
[51:50] » Anyone else want to comment
[51:53] and
[51:56] speak now or forever hold your peace?
[51:57] One more time. Anyone else?
[52:02] » We need to have you go up to the
[52:09] » I'm Kenny Hills. I live in 791 Lson
[52:11] Lane. I live in the township, but my
[52:13] friends all live in this community and I
[52:16] was thinking about moving here in this
[52:17] immediate area. But I'm thinking I don't
[52:20] want to live here with all this traffic.
[52:22] If there's a building for 200 people
[52:24] here, how many volunteers do you
[52:26] actually have? You say so you can meet
[52:29] as volunteers. Isn't 40 pe 40 person
[52:32] building big enough? It's supposed to be
[52:35] a community center, not an industrial
[52:39] event center. And the occasional event,
[52:43] that's an event. Pepperfest has one
[52:45] event a year and that's Pepperfest.
[52:50] 40 people for a community center is
[52:52] plenty big enough for this. It's plenty
[52:54] big enough for the pensioners to go and
[52:56] meet. It's plenty big enough for the
[52:57] scouts to go and use, but they use the
[52:59] gun club right now. So, there are other
[53:01] options for people to go and meet if
[53:03] they want to as nonprofit.
[53:06] 200 people building
[53:09] kind of a bit of an insult to the people
[53:10] that live around it. And to say that it
[53:12] won't impact them, it will.
[53:16] That's all I got to say. Okay.
[53:19] Thank you for your comments. Anybody
[53:22] else? Would you like to go ahead?
[53:36] I'm James Beo. I live at 4046 Street
[53:39] North, right across the street.
[53:43] your Pepper Fest property would end
[53:46] right well trapped in my property
[53:49] >> and I've been with the Pepper Fest for
[53:52] 45 50 years
[53:55] and I don't have any problem with
[53:57] Pepperfest.
[53:59] I mean true when pepper fest is here you
[54:02] have more people but you're not going to
[54:04] have that magnitude of people every week
[54:09] and I don't know if you may have seen
[54:12] the proposed building that you're
[54:15] proposing to put there
[54:17] I think it's going to be a big asset to
[54:19] the community from what from what we
[54:23] have
[54:24] from what I understand the parking that
[54:29] across the street are going to be paved
[54:32] for excess parking instead of on street
[54:35] parking.
[54:38] So, I myself I'm in favor of I think
[54:42] it's going to be a big asset to the
[54:44] community. Like I say, I live my
[54:47] property lives right next door and I
[54:50] deal with them all the time.
[54:52] So that's my viewing on it.
[54:56] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[55:02] » Anyone else?
[55:05] » Okay.
[55:11] » Hi, my name is Eric Dubois, 710 Monroe
[55:14] Street North. Um, I just wanted to add
[55:16] uh with regards to the parking,
[55:19] I believe that the parking area
[55:21] available for the site should reflect
[55:24] the size of the the building and the
[55:26] occupancy of the building because there
[55:29] is going to be overflow parking onto
[55:31] Monroe Street or all of these other
[55:34] streets. Um when you come around that
[55:36] stoplight, come around the corner from
[55:38] that stoplight trying to get across um
[55:41] say if you're coming south and you take
[55:43] a left on Monroe Street when there is
[55:48] a lot of things going on there, that can
[55:50] be a very uh busy intersection. So
[55:53] putting a building right on the corner
[55:55] of that with people entering and exiting
[55:57] right at the front there and parking on
[56:00] the street would just make that a little
[56:01] bit more busy. I just wanted everybody
[56:03] to take that in consideration. Thank
[56:05] you.
[56:06] >> Thank you.
[56:08] I will.
[56:24] » Hi, I'm Annette Kenny and I live at four
[56:26] five 410 6th Street North and I have
[56:30] lived in North Hudson my whole life. So,
[56:32] I know the the beginning of Pepperfest
[56:36] because my family was some of the
[56:38] originators and I do agree with having
[56:42] an appropriate size community center.
[56:45] But the rumors we have been hearing is
[56:47] that they want to really try to make it
[56:49] a wedding venue. And that makes us
[56:53] nervous because my sister's one of her
[56:55] properties has the old Sam's parking lot
[56:59] which during Pepperfest we notice a lot
[57:01] of people driving into their private
[57:03] property leaving garbage and that would
[57:07] be another major concern for our family
[57:09] to have to monitor their property, their
[57:12] private property, their insurance and
[57:14] everything. and we just want to have the
[57:17] respect of the neighborhood and with
[57:19] oncoming in people that don't respect
[57:21] our community is our biggest issue.
[57:23] Thank you.
[57:25] >> Thank you.
[57:30] » Anyone else? Flying your
[57:34] >> Anyone else?
[57:36] Third time. Anyone would like to speak?
[57:41] >> Okay, before I close it, I have a
[57:43] question. Before
[57:46] we close public hearing, can we have
[57:49] somebody address some of these questions
[57:50] or do I close it and then we do that? Is
[57:53] there someone here to address? Yes.
[57:55] Should we do that now or close it?
[57:56] >> I would close your public hearing.
[57:59] >> All right. So,
[58:00] >> the board has questions for the
[58:02] applicant.
[58:03] >> Okay, perfect.
[58:04] >> So, I'm going to close the public
[58:06] hearing. Um,
[58:07] >> motion to close.
[58:09] >> Thank you. Second.
[58:10] >> We don't even need a motion. We don't
[58:11] need We don't need You can just
[58:14] closing it. And then now is the time for
[58:17] the conditional use permit application
[58:20] discussion and possible recommendation.
[58:24] So
[58:26] do we have discussion and questions and
[58:28] things that could be
[58:30] >> question
[58:30] >> addressed? Yes.
[58:31] >> Um
[58:33] >> how many parking spaces in the proposed
[58:36] pave lot?
[58:40] » It was 45 or 42
[58:42] >> around that. Yeah,
[58:47] » that's not counting the handicap.
[58:51] >> Oh, yeah. Sorry.
[58:54] >> About 42 45 not including handicap
[58:57] spots. I think we have about five
[58:58] handicap spots that are proposed to the
[59:00] front of the building.
[59:02] >> And I don't I'm not I don't I'm not
[59:06] familiar with the parking around here,
[59:07] but what do you estimate on street
[59:10] parking available?
[59:12] Um like we we
[59:15] said overflow if needed. Um that's going
[59:18] to be once in a blue moon. Um this we're
[59:21] thinking more of this building being
[59:23] utilized for clubs, you know, after
[59:25] school after work, you know, hobbyist
[59:28] airplane groups meets when the church
[59:30] group meets when, you know, it's not
[59:33] going to be during school hours. So the building is going to be more
[59:36] utilized after hours, you know, so
[59:40] traffic isn't really a concern and we're
[59:42] not talking about multiple multiple
[59:44] people. It's just little groups here and
[59:46] there that are going to be using it. Um
[59:47] even when the seniors meet say during
[59:49] the day during a school day, I don't see
[59:51] why they can't fill up the parking lot
[59:52] over here. Um I don't think there's that
[59:54] many in that group. So
[59:57] >> how about um who has access to the
[59:59] building outside of Pepperfest itself?
[1:00:02] who will be allowed to use it. Have you
[1:00:07] worked that out?
[1:00:08] >> We have not. I'm I'm sure the commission
[1:00:10] has worked that out. The people that are
[1:00:12] working on this, um we have probably
[1:00:14] going to allow some public access for
[1:00:17] the uh public works guys, um village
[1:00:20] workers,
[1:00:22] not quite certain on that, but
[1:00:23] Pepperfest board in general will be the
[1:00:25] ones providing maintenance and
[1:00:27] operation.
[1:00:30] So it will be so you won't hire say a
[1:00:34] management company or one person who
[1:00:37] always is on site with the key or
[1:00:40] >> I mean you're just going to rely on your
[1:00:42] Pepperfest board members to be
[1:00:44] >> we we can hire a management company if
[1:00:46] needed or somebody that is is is hired
[1:00:48] on our behalf that comes in and and
[1:00:50] upkeeps the building. Um
[1:00:54] >> that's definitely a possibility.
[1:00:55] >> Okay.
[1:00:55] >> Something that has been talked about.
[1:00:57] So, the size of the building is what? I
[1:01:00] mean, can we just clarify that?
[1:01:01] >> It's 50 by 100 or a little less than
[1:01:04] that.
[1:01:05] >> Okay. So, how many square feet?
[1:01:06] >> Uh, about 5,000.
[1:01:08] >> About 5,000. And if it's going to be
[1:01:10] used,
[1:01:12] you're thinking outside of Pepperfest by
[1:01:15] smaller groups, say seniors, board
[1:01:18] meetings, different things like that.
[1:01:21] Why 5,000 square feet?
[1:01:24] Uh because it it doesn't cost anything
[1:01:27] extra for us to do it. If we're going to
[1:01:28] put up a building, we might as well
[1:01:30] utilize the space that we have. Um it's like saying, "Let's put in some
[1:01:35] power, but then later on down the road,
[1:01:36] you don't have enough power." You know,
[1:01:38] there's always the option in the future
[1:01:40] to be able to use that space if needed.
[1:01:44] Um but I think that's the concern. I
[1:01:47] think the larger it is, the neighbors
[1:01:49] are concerned that it will become
[1:01:52] a venue of some sort because venue space
[1:01:55] in this area for wedding receptions or
[1:01:58] different whatever you for 200 people
[1:02:01] are we don't have a lot. So if this big
[1:02:04] building is here, word will get out and
[1:02:07] people will come to throw large events
[1:02:11] there. I I don't believe that's the
[1:02:14] intention at all. Honestly, it's there's
[1:02:17] many places there's many venues around
[1:02:19] here that people would go to that are
[1:02:20] more aesthetic for wedding pictures and
[1:02:23] for that kind of thing. That's not what
[1:02:25] this building is really built for. Could
[1:02:27] you have a smaller scale wedding there?
[1:02:29] Sure. You know, but that's not what the
[1:02:33] initial
[1:02:34] reason for it to be.
[1:02:35] >> So, those requests would be turned down,
[1:02:37] I guess. And you're because you're just
[1:02:39] trying to keep smaller group. No, we're
[1:02:41] not going to say they're going to be
[1:02:41] turned down. We're just saying the
[1:02:43] building is going to be built to look
[1:02:45] like the village hall, to look like a
[1:02:47] house, to look residential. It's not a
[1:02:50] wedding venue, per se. Would somebody
[1:02:51] want to hold a grad party there? Maybe.
[1:02:54] Um, would we turn them down? It depends
[1:02:56] on the scenario. Um,
[1:02:58] it's not built to be an event center,
[1:03:00] per se. And I think that's what um the
[1:03:03] fear in the public is right now is that
[1:03:05] we want it to be a wedding event center.
[1:03:07] That's not why we're building it. It's a
[1:03:10] community center.
[1:03:13] >> Okay.
[1:03:14] >> So, you took away the basement.
[1:03:18] >> Yes.
[1:03:19] >> For what reasons was that? Like,
[1:03:21] wouldn't that be used as storage for
[1:03:23] these set on for your own group? The
[1:03:26] pepperfest, wouldn't we also use storage
[1:03:28] for some of these said groups, Girl
[1:03:30] Scouts, Boy Scouts, hobbyists? It's the
[1:03:33] cost for us. Um, so we had this planned
[1:03:35] out. We went to many different builders
[1:03:37] and the cost is just astronomical to put
[1:03:40] in a basement. Um, it would be nice, but
[1:03:43] it's it's just not in the cards for us
[1:03:45] right now.
[1:03:46] >> Size down the square footage, would then
[1:03:48] you be able to afford that, appease the
[1:03:50] community in size and be able to have
[1:03:53] more of a functional building that you
[1:03:54] originally planned? Again,
[1:03:58] >> as an option, costwise, it's really not
[1:04:02] going to make much of a difference if we
[1:04:04] downsized
[1:04:06] >> the the correct above ground versus
[1:04:09] below ground, right?
[1:04:12] >> So, is the primary reason to maximize
[1:04:15] the square footage probably really a a
[1:04:17] benefit for during Pepperfest where you
[1:04:20] have it for bingo or activities, food
[1:04:23] services or something?
[1:04:25] >> Yes. Yep. I would say so.
[1:04:28] >> Uh just to clarify too on the parking
[1:04:30] plan, I count 29 spots on the plan
[1:04:33] that's under consideration for approval
[1:04:35] across the street
[1:04:37] as far as the count in there, not 40
[1:04:40] some 29 I show on we have upgraded. Um I
[1:04:45] believe last month there was a meeting
[1:04:46] here where there was a presentation. Um
[1:04:50] the design is still out there to
[1:04:52] possibly update that. I think the
[1:04:55] current number is about in the 40s. So,
[1:04:58] >> okay. So, the one that were Okay.
[1:05:03] » Are there any other questions from the
[1:05:07] committee?
[1:05:10] » So, we're just doing the
[1:05:13] >> conditional
[1:05:14] >> cut. So,
[1:05:16] >> other things will be addressed.
[1:05:18] >> So, and I was going to get to that.
[1:05:20] >> Okay. So, the previous conditional use
[1:05:23] permit had a list of conditions that
[1:05:26] were approved and those include coming
[1:05:28] back to the board for an operational
[1:05:30] plan to talk about how they're going to
[1:05:33] handle events, how they're going to
[1:05:34] handle hours, how they're going to
[1:05:36] handle lighting,
[1:05:37] >> neighbor mitigations with landscaping
[1:05:40] and address those concerns. So, what I
[1:05:43] would suggest is if a recommendation is
[1:05:46] made that you include
[1:05:49] that same list.
[1:05:51] >> Mhm.
[1:05:51] >> If you're going to pass it on to the
[1:05:53] board.
[1:05:55] >> Okay.
[1:05:55] >> And that's almost like a reset is what
[1:05:57] we're looking at.
[1:05:58] >> Yeah. That that's in your packet. This
[1:05:59] is what was approved before handled.
[1:06:03] >> You know, this is
[1:06:04] >> if they get the conditional use permit
[1:06:06] again, it's not the last step,
[1:06:08] >> right? that this would because there
[1:06:10] still are a lot of things people are
[1:06:12] concerned about. Noise, lights, the ever
[1:06:15] popular traffic and parking. So, those
[1:06:18] will be addressed though prior to
[1:06:22] maintenance, snow removal that will be
[1:06:24] addressed.
[1:06:24] >> That's going to be part of your I'm
[1:06:26] assuming your operational plan that has
[1:06:28] to be approved by the board.
[1:06:29] >> Yes.
[1:06:30] >> And that's the recommendation in here.
[1:06:32] They have to come back to the board.
[1:06:34] >> So, they go through all those details as
[1:06:36] to how they're going to operate.
[1:06:39] But I just want to make sure when if you
[1:06:41] decide to make a motion to move it
[1:06:44] forward to include in your motion these
[1:06:48] elements.
[1:06:50] >> Okay.
[1:06:50] >> Can I ask a question about the process,
[1:06:52] not the project?
[1:06:53] >> We've closed the hearing though or we
[1:06:56] we've closed it. So, um Okay. Any other
[1:07:02] questions, comments to be addressed now
[1:07:05] at this point from us?
[1:07:08] for clarification.
[1:07:09] We're essentially approving the concept
[1:07:11] of what was presented. We're not
[1:07:14] approving the particulars at all.
[1:07:16] >> Right.
[1:07:18] >> Yeah. You're you're approving a
[1:07:20] community center that they proposed,
[1:07:22] >> right? The details again, that's why you
[1:07:26] have the conditions to the conditional
[1:07:27] use permit that were going to be
[1:07:30] addressed and they're going to be
[1:07:32] addressed assuming that you include
[1:07:34] these at a future date that they'll have
[1:07:37] to come back with a site plan review and
[1:07:40] an operational plan review.
[1:07:44] >> Okay.
[1:07:45] So would we add in any of to utilize
[1:07:49] parking lot access across the street
[1:07:51] possible crosswalk? Did that go into a
[1:07:53] later one or would we add that put that
[1:07:55] in that be?
[1:07:57] >> Okay.
[1:08:00] So we have not made a motion yet.
[1:08:01] We discussed this without making a
[1:08:03] motion. Do we do we have a motion? Does
[1:08:05] anyone want to
[1:08:08] do that?
[1:08:10] >> I'll make a motion. Make a motion to
[1:08:13] approve the petition for the conditional
[1:08:14] use permit by Tim Zeiss doing business
[1:08:17] as North Hudson Pepper Festival, Inc. to
[1:08:20] construct a community center and
[1:08:22] pavilion located at 704 Monroe Street
[1:08:25] North.
[1:08:27] As uh conditions of that recommend
[1:08:30] approval, I'd like to include the staff
[1:08:33] analysis and recommendations
[1:08:36] uh that came with the conditional use
[1:08:38] permit application
[1:08:41] as well including the 11 bullet points
[1:08:45] recommended for conditions of the
[1:08:47] approval. Would you like me to name
[1:08:50] those?
[1:08:51] If
[1:08:51] >> you just reference the report, I think
[1:08:53] you're fine.
[1:08:54] >> It's also part of that report. Um, as
[1:08:57] part of the conditional use permit
[1:09:00] application,
[1:09:02] it talked about hours of operation,
[1:09:05] complying with um, building codes,
[1:09:09] inspections,
[1:09:10] hours of uh, commercial uses, parking,
[1:09:14] etc.
[1:09:18] » Okay.
[1:09:20] Do we have a second?
[1:09:23] >> Second.
[1:09:26] All right. All in favor say I.
[1:09:30] >> I.
[1:09:30] I.
[1:09:31] >> Oppose. Same sign.
[1:09:34] >> Okay. That is closed.
[1:09:41] » We will move on to the final.
[1:09:47] Candace, item number three on our agenda
[1:09:50] is an open public hearing for
[1:09:53] condition use application by the village
[1:09:54] of North Hudson to construct a parking
[1:09:56] lot across the street and 4017th Street
[1:09:58] North.
[1:09:59] It is open to the public.
[1:10:02] Any comments, Gina? There you go. Thank
[1:10:04] you.
[1:10:10] » Hi, my name is Gina Alberty and I am the
[1:10:13] administrator. I reside at 400 7th
[1:10:15] Street.
[1:10:17] But uh re uh representing the village
[1:10:19] here tonight, I wanted to give a little
[1:10:20] bit of background about kind of where
[1:10:22] this concept of a parking lot came from
[1:10:25] and then how it ties into the discussion
[1:10:27] that you all were just having. Um I'll
[1:10:29] be honest, when I came to interview here
[1:10:31] at the end of 2023, I was a little
[1:10:33] surprised that um the village hall did
[1:10:36] not have a parking lot. Um really didn't
[1:10:39] even know where to park when I came in
[1:10:40] for my interview. So, I thought that was
[1:10:42] a little strange and it kind of stuck in
[1:10:43] my mind. And then in 2024, I witnessed
[1:10:45] my first election and I sat at my desk
[1:10:48] and I watched people play Frogger um as
[1:10:52] they were trying to move in and out of
[1:10:54] parking spots that aren't really parking
[1:10:56] spots and how the street became super
[1:10:59] narrow and moms were walking little kids
[1:11:01] in and out of cars. And I thought, hm,
[1:11:03] note to self, that's concerning. Um, and
[1:11:07] then shortly after that, we were doing a
[1:11:09] project on Fifth Street, and we had some
[1:11:11] millings that were left over as a result
[1:11:13] of that project. And we asked if we
[1:11:16] could use those millings to kind of fill
[1:11:19] in the open vacant lot that's across the
[1:11:21] street, again, that's owned by the
[1:11:22] village, um, to see if that would kind
[1:11:24] of help in um, kind of encourage people
[1:11:27] to use that spot as a as a parking lot.
[1:11:30] Um, and it did. We we saw a lot more
[1:11:32] people now are using it. Certainly for
[1:11:34] elections, we're seeing that. Um, but if
[1:11:36] you looked at that now when you came in,
[1:11:39] um, those millings have kind of settled
[1:11:41] in and it's starting to look like a
[1:11:43] vacant grass lot again. Um, so I think
[1:11:45] it's discouraging people from parking
[1:11:46] over there because when it's raining
[1:11:49] there's mud and when it's snowing it's
[1:11:51] hard to it's hard to plow. Um, and other
[1:11:53] things. And so
[1:11:55] um ironically I brought it to in 2024 I
[1:11:58] brought it to the um finance committee
[1:12:01] as an option um that I would wanted them
[1:12:03] to consider um for a future for an
[1:12:06] enhancement for the village. Then in
[1:12:08] 2025 Pepperfest came and started talking
[1:12:10] about the need for parking and honestly
[1:12:13] a light bulb came on in my head and I
[1:12:15] said well that seems like two community
[1:12:18] resources both needing parking. we have
[1:12:21] a vacant lot that is owned by the
[1:12:23] village that is across the street. Is
[1:12:25] there a way that we could come together
[1:12:27] and um allow that parking to serve both
[1:12:31] the village hall as well as the
[1:12:33] community center? Um so why now? Why am
[1:12:36] I here now? We have budgeting going on
[1:12:39] and so what I'm trying to do is get a
[1:12:41] feel for um if the plan commission is
[1:12:44] interested in approving a recommendation
[1:12:46] to the board to officially leverage that
[1:12:49] vacant lot as a parking lot um so that
[1:12:52] we can start to plan for that start to
[1:12:54] get budgetary numbers um start to have I
[1:12:57] think more structured plans obviously um
[1:13:01] we would do so in a way that we would
[1:13:03] not want to jeopardize any of the houses
[1:13:04] that are along there obviously water
[1:13:06] flow would be taken into consideration.
[1:13:08] Cedar Corps would do a full plan for us
[1:13:10] that would address all of those issues
[1:13:12] and concerns. We certainly would not
[1:13:14] want to add any issues to any of the
[1:13:16] neighboring houses, but um so yep, the idea here is um try to get a fuel
[1:13:22] for the plan commission if this is
[1:13:23] something you're interested in pursuing
[1:13:24] so we could potentially take it forward
[1:13:27] for financial um next steps and then
[1:13:31] approval from the board.
[1:13:34] >> Thank you, Gina.
[1:13:35] >> Any other questions for me? Any
[1:13:36] questions?
[1:13:37] >> I guess I have a question. So, we're
[1:13:38] talking about the finance part of it and
[1:13:41] I know that we talked about this new
[1:13:44] Pepperfest place, but it's also kind of
[1:13:46] directly related to that. Is Pepperfest
[1:13:49] going to be financially on hook for any
[1:13:52] of this? Are they supporting? Are they
[1:13:53] putting money to what percentage do we
[1:13:55] know?
[1:13:56] >> Yeah. So, that is a great question. So
[1:13:57] what my thoughts were is that if this is
[1:14:00] something that the that you guys would
[1:14:02] recommend moving forward with and the
[1:14:04] board were to approve that, we would go
[1:14:05] and get an estimate, a cost estimate um
[1:14:08] to figure out what it would cost to do
[1:14:09] that. And yes, the intention is um we
[1:14:12] have we can take as the village we can
[1:14:17] take donations from the the public, from
[1:14:21] nonprofits, from anybody within the
[1:14:23] village. So the thought or the idea yes
[1:14:25] is that the pepper fest we would come up
[1:14:28] with some agreement on what portion they
[1:14:30] pay for what p portion the village pays
[1:14:32] for and they would make a donation of
[1:14:34] agreed upon at that time price to help
[1:14:37] contribute to the building of that.
[1:14:38] >> Thank you.
[1:14:38] >> Yeah.
[1:14:40] >> Could you clarify how many stalls are to
[1:14:42] be
[1:14:44] >> Yeah. I know that um I think the initial
[1:14:47] plans had 28ish
[1:14:50] um outlined. I know that there was some
[1:14:53] um recent work done to kind of maximize
[1:14:55] that. Um I have not officially kind of
[1:14:59] looked at those. I think the goal would
[1:15:00] be to get as many stalls in there as
[1:15:03] possible without having negative impact
[1:15:05] to the properties around it. Um but
[1:15:09] minimum 28 I would say um probably
[1:15:12] closer to mid-30s if possible. I think
[1:15:15] that would come with the design too and
[1:15:16] I would look for our engineers to help
[1:15:18] us decide what is the right amount and
[1:15:20] the safe amount. Right.
[1:15:22] >> Thanks.
[1:15:22] >> Yeah.
[1:15:25] >> Anyone else?
[1:15:26] >> I can step aside if
[1:15:27] >> anyone else
[1:15:29] ramp
[1:15:34] you want me to go back.
[1:15:35] >> Yep. Yep.
[1:15:36] >> Same old Yep.
[1:15:42] » 706 mineral. Uh I appreciate that you
[1:15:45] guys are trying to find a solution for
[1:15:47] on street parking in front of the
[1:15:49] village cuz you guys are right like when
[1:15:50] it's voting time it is very congested on
[1:15:53] this front street. So you guys are
[1:15:54] trying to find a solution that makes
[1:15:57] sense um to get to minimize right to
[1:16:00] reduce to eliminate on street parking
[1:16:02] but then in the previous conversation on
[1:16:06] street parking is the solution for
[1:16:07] overflow. So, it is it's frustrating as
[1:16:10] a resident to hear that, right? When
[1:16:11] it's you're hearing a proposal that is
[1:16:14] really trying to help solve an issue,
[1:16:17] but then in a different proposal, it's
[1:16:20] the solution, right? So, that's what my
[1:16:23] comment is.
[1:16:24] >> Thank you, Jenny.
[1:16:30] Anyone else?
[1:16:36] And finally, anyone else? With that, I'm
[1:16:38] going to close the public hearing and
[1:16:40] open up the public hearing condition
[1:16:41] used from application by the visual
[1:16:43] north to construct a park line across
[1:16:44] the uh 401 7th Street North.
[1:16:49] With that, I entertain the committee. Uh
[1:16:51] any type of motion and discussion.
[1:16:55] >> So move.
[1:16:58] >> Is there a second?
[1:16:58] >> I will second.
[1:16:59] >> Thank you. Any discussion?
[1:17:04] Obviously,
[1:17:07] intentions I think are, you know,
[1:17:08] there's two twofold here as we had for
[1:17:10] the past two discussions here. Um,
[1:17:14] and obviously we're work closely with
[1:17:16] the neighbors to make sure the runoff is
[1:17:18] appropriate uh underground drainage and
[1:17:21] everything to make sure it goes through
[1:17:22] the appropriate uh direction for any
[1:17:24] flow of water on this.
[1:17:27] That's been discussed and um
[1:17:29] >> possible fences for headlamps going into
[1:17:32] their house. There will be directional
[1:17:34] type activities and that that final
[1:17:36] stuff there. I'm not sure how that
[1:17:38] >> I didn't know if that ever came up or
[1:17:39] anything.
[1:17:39] >> Yeah. No, it didn't.
[1:17:41] >> Um,
[1:17:43] >> but I think it's an alternative. Yep.
[1:17:45] >> So during Pepperfest, will that parking
[1:17:48] lot be a parking lot or will it be a
[1:17:51] >> that that uh that again we won't Yeah.
[1:17:54] We're not sure what's going to happen
[1:17:55] during that period of time. Yep.
[1:17:57] >> Festival adapts to what it can do. you
[1:17:59] know what it's going to do
[1:18:02] during that, you know, activity. But I I
[1:18:04] think it's it's a win-win for both sides
[1:18:05] of it. And I think there, you know,
[1:18:07] potentially we know there'll be an
[1:18:08] agreement between funding some of this
[1:18:10] and we just have to work make it work work all that out. So
[1:18:15] >> I just would like to make sure that if
[1:18:16] we're approving it that we're also
[1:18:18] approving a perpetual parking agreement
[1:18:21] with Pepperfest.
[1:18:22] >> I agree. I'd put that a condition
[1:18:24] >> that we have a minimum of 28 parks there
[1:18:26] available to the public.
[1:18:28] Yeah, there's been discussions of
[1:18:30] angling the parking and having one way
[1:18:32] in, one way out, okay,
[1:18:34] >> which increases it to like 30 some plus,
[1:18:36] but of course we work with Cedar Corp to
[1:18:38] talk more about that.
[1:18:39] >> Okay,
[1:18:40] >> but uh I would do I definitely add that
[1:18:42] condition on there that Pepperfest is
[1:18:44] you know part of that. So
[1:18:48] anything else or that you know the
[1:18:50] overall agreement and so forth going
[1:18:52] forward? Yes.
[1:18:53] >> Right.
[1:18:54] >> Anything else?
[1:18:56] All in favor say I. I I
[1:18:58] >> I oppose. Same sign that approves. Thank
[1:19:02] you.
[1:19:04] Okay. Item number 15 is routine
[1:19:06] business. Any other routine business for
[1:19:07] the commission to discuss?
[1:19:10] Item number 16 adjourned. I appreciate
[1:19:12] everyone for coming tonight and
[1:19:14] definitely you're