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Good evening,

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everybody.

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Welcome to the North Kings Town Council meeting for Monday, August 17.

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With all this means water, pursuant to Rhode Island General Lawrence 42, dash 466C, notice

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that this meeting has been posted on the Secretary of State's website and ask everybody

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join me with us to the flag.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations to the flag at the United States of America.

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Thank you.

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Madam Clerk, can I get the sign up sheet for people who signed up for public comment?

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There are a lot of people who signed up, House Rules, I will ask people to limit their

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comments in three minutes.

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We have, and the council are getting a lot of emails and several sub-subjects, including

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our existing use of our flat cameras.

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So what I would like to do before we do public comment is make a couple comments on the

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flat cameras part in part historical in part when I propose we do tonight and then if

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any of the other members of the council want to weigh in they can do so obviously subject

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to the public's opinion, but at least based on reading the history of this, reading public

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comments, I think that'll give the public a better understanding of where our mindset is,

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and then you can alter your comments accordingly, and then we can make a final decision

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when the original agenda item comes, when the initial, when this agenda item comes up.

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I know there are other items of interest with the pet store and some others, but I think this is the most straightforward and I also think this isn't the most fluid and I think it's the one that's changing the most.

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So with that, I'm going to make a couple of comments on the flat cameras.

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The flat cameras issue came before our council initially in October of 2023.

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At that time, I had some real reservations, so because of that, the time manager agreed to put out in the next agenda.

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And next agenda, it was a presentation was made by the Chief.

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He had said it was a program, excuse me, a licensed registry recognition program.

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We are licensed to play to capture it and run through a database to try to catch criminals

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on a crime.

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And you also touted the benefits of finding people to stress the Amber or Silver Alerts.

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And so there's also no person in identification, personally identifiable, identifiable

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information on the cameras or found by the cameras themselves.

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We decided unanimously to approve a one-year contract.

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I did it and I voted in part because of

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to cancel the social worker.

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And she suggested they'd be good to find people in distress.

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So that was a one-year contract. Before I did vote, I did speak to the ACLU, which I'm a 20-year member of.

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Members of my law firm, who do a lot of civil rights litigation, and actually a city council from Walla Cruz, who had also voted on it.

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There was no opposition from anyone in the community, so the council again unanimously approved it.

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Since that time, there's been a lot of controversy over these.

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And given the fact that Chief is not here tonight, he's a way out of town.

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And the fact that we approve this in 2023 for only one year,

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I'm going to suggest to my council tonight after public input that we temporarily suspend this, possibly indefinitely, but temporarily suspend this, and have an opportunity to hear what the people have to say, they're concerns, allow the chief to address them, and then do this in an open and transparent form here, because I think there's been a lot of misinformation.

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The only information that's come before this council has been supported these flag cameras

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at least in 2023, obviously in last couple of weeks, a lot of information has not come.

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That's supported these flag cameras, but there's also the information has come, a lot of

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it has lacks specifics, so if there's a specific example of a abuse, I think that's important.

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And we want to hear that before we get into public comment, I would ask anyone in the council

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who wants to comment? I don't know. What's that? Do you want to comment?

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I think that is a good idea, at least, let's get it, let's shake out a little bit.

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Okay. And I'll familiar on that.

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Nope, you person.

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I'm okay with suspending this until the chief.

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Good to speak up, yeah.

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Sorry. I'm okay with suspending a decision until the chief can be present since he was involved.

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in it originally and knows a lot about how it's used by our police department.

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I do have a lot of reservations.

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I disagree with just a suspension.

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I have done my research in due diligence on this.

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And I believe that the course of action that we should take is to cancel our contracts,

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remove the cameras and I have a motion prepared that I will make later.

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Can you have any initial thoughts?

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Yes, when we decided to use the flock cameras, I was one of the people who voted for it at that time based on the chief urban recommendation.

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And I know that they are supported by the mothers against drug drivers are in favor of the flock cameras.

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And I also told Ralph earlier when we were talking about this that I would support keeping them.

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I must admit, I've other things have come to light.

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I would really would want to hear from Chief Urban before I would make any decision for that.

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I think that we need to hear from the police as though how they're working in their town,

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what protections they have, and so I won't be prepared to get rid of them tonight

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because I think that we should give him the opportunity

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to come in and speak and to hear from the police side

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before we make a decision.

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So with respect, I think we have one's initial comments.

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Let's go to public here and let's say to the public.

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And then we'll get to the agenda item.

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I think you can further make your argument, OK?

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We'll do, OK?

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With that, I would ask the first speaker, John Carter,

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to step up, thanks.

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evening. Members of the town council, John Carter, from a property owner of 16-green

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metal circle. I'm here tonight because of a conflict of interest, a breakdown in municipality,

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transparency, and a systemic non-responsiveness from town leadership. On April 24th, I filed the

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police report, and on April 27th, I filed a access to public records request for that report. The

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Police chief called me that very same day to get an immediate verbal denial.

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I know now why the denial was so swift, the involved individual in my police report

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was not other than one of the chief's own high-ranking police captains.

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Instead of handling the matter with the heightened transparency,

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The conflict of interest requires the department choose to shield its own leadership. They fail to issue

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a legally mandatory written denial within the statutory time limit. For us in me to file a complaint

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with the Rhode Island Attorney General's Office on May 14th. When the police finally

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did respond on May 19th, it was a blanket denial covering only half of my request. The

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Counselor, later upheld that protection of the command staff with a dual denial on June 15th.

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I filed my rebuttal to the Rhode Island Attorney General's Office on July 7th, and

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a matter is still pending in a review.

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Seeking accountability, I emailed the town manager, A Ralph Malice, the Reckling on

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June 9th.

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He completely ignored it.

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I called on June 25th, to schedule a meeting.

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His executive assistant Kate Glass took my information and I have faced total silence ever since.

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When a police department uses blanket, public request and request the Niles to shield his own captain from public exposure,

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and when a town manager refuses to answer or meet with residents, questioning this behavior, local government is failing.

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This is no longer just a wreckage dispute.

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It's a administrative integrity and potential structural corruption.

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The town council holds sole charter oversight over the town manager and the administration.

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Formerly requesting the town tonight that this council launched an immediate independent

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review into wider town managers office is ignoring residents and wider public records

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laws.

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Excuse me, Laws, I'm being manipulated to protect high rank and police officials.

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Thank you.

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I have a packet.

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Yeah, I got it. Sergeant of arms. I'll take care of that for you, Mr. Carter.

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You can.

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Kaylee.

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Welcome.

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Ethan Kaylee. This is my first time speaking in a public setting.

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Members of the Council.

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We'll just go.

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We'll just go.

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We'll just go.

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We'll just go.

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Members of the Council.

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Members of the public.

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Please forgive any perceived nervousness.

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I have somehow mastered speaking to executives at fortune.

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and 100 companies, but a town council meeting still makes me nervous.

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So I'll give you my bottom line up front.

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I do not support North King Sound continuing any contract with Flock Safety,

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or any other auxiliary or auxiliary companies like this.

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And I strongly urge this council to terminate a relationship explicitly with Flock Safety.

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I passed eight Flock cameras on my way here tonight.

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I drove my daughter to gymnastics.

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we stopped to check FLA, I then drove through this beautiful town that's our home to participate in this democratic process.

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Eight cameras recorded my vehicle doing that trip.

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And it's important because these are not simply automatic license plate cameras or readers.

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I work professionally building complex software systems and artificial intelligence systems.

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And from that perspective, I want to emphasize one word, system.

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Flock is a network of surveillance, cloud-based AI surveillance

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cameras and systems.

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This cameras don't simply read a license plate and forget it.

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They capture vehicle, information they use machine learning to make

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what Flock itself calls a vehicle fingerprint.

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Identifying characters such as a make a model, a color, other visual

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features like bumper stickers.

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These observations become searchable data by law enforcement,

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police and other government entities. Recently, these cameras now have added additional capabilities

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to track devices emanating wireless signals. Think Bluetooth devices smartphones, airtags,

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and any other modern cars. My concern isn't that the North Kingston Police Department is enabling

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and furthering additional data gathering for some sinister intention. My concern is that they

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don't know what the data is being used for.

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We are building surveillance infrastructure who

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capabilities extend far beyond the initial intentions

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and the intentions of the good people that are operating it today.

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North Kingston doesn't develop the software.

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We don't control the firmware.

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We don't design its future capabilities.

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We don't operate the cloud infrastructure.

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And we cannot guarantee that what these

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integrations data gathering relationships

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policies or additional further government access

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will exist five or ten years from now.

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We've already seen nationally why that matters.

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Flock has faced numerous documented causes of unauthorized searches, law enforcement

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means use.

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The company itself recently announced additional safeguards to try to shore this up

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and is going on a PR blitz because of this to me that should tell us something.

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The question isn't whether this technology can help solve a crime.

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It can.

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The question is whether solving some crimes.

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Justifies creating an infrastructure capable of reconstituting the movements of thousands of innocent people, who have been suspected of absolutely nothing. I don't believe it does. Tonight, I exercise one of my most basic rights we have. I drove through my town. I brought my daughter to where she needed to go. And I came here to speak to my elected representatives and fellow North Kingston citizens. I should not have to leave a searchable digital fingerprint trail simply because I did these things.

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We still have an opportunity to say in North Kingston,

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like our other fellow towns in near proximity

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have done as well, not here, not in North Kingston.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Ethan, for being nervous, she did a great job.

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Randall Curtis.

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Greetings, Randall Curtis, 680 story lane.

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I believe it's Article 13 section one

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of the state constitution, which does grant

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and confirmed the people of every city and town in this state,

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the rate of self-government in all local matters.

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I want to emphasize the words people and self-government.

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North Kingston should be self-governed by the people of the town.

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We do this by electing representatives, you, the town council.

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You are not responsible to state police to the FBI,

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to other agencies and other states to provide them with information on our movements.

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You are not here to rubber stamp the requests of the town police department or the town employees.

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You are here to represent our interests, the people of the town.

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No matter how convenient for the police, I believe the people of the town are generally

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against flat cameras.

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It doesn't matter if it makes it easier for them to do their job or not, the people of the town generally don't want them.

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No matter what the chief says about it, I know you want to wait for the chief to have his say.

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I think we've all heard the chief before, and we are not convinced.

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It doesn't matter what he says about it, because the point is, the people are uncomfortable with this level of surveillance.

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We have a variety of reasons for it. Why we're uncomfortable? We have given those reasons in multiple venues.

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I think we'll continue to give those reasons. And you're just going to hear more and more about it.

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And maybe you won't be persuaded by all of those reasons. And maybe the chief of police will disagree with our reasons.

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But in the end, that doesn't really matter.

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The chief and the town officials have failed to convince us the people.

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We don't want these cameras and that should be enough for the town council.

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Thank you.

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Let's squeeze a little bit of stars.

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I think they heard you.

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Excuse me, you know something Elizabeth?

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To move things along, I'm going to call up three or four people and maybe you can land

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behind Elizabeth in the water I called you.

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Pan Mason, Christine,

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Manjana, Manjana, Manjana off, Manjana off, thank you, Christine.

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John McGeean, Bill Flynn, Madeline McGregurgle, McGregurgle, and I thought it'd be good for now.

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If you could line up along the wall, I'd be great.

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So you can move along. Okay. Thank you.

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New welcome. Good evening. I was coming to sit and stand up here and also talk about

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Can you please give us your name and I'm sorry, Elizabeth Stern's 63 high bank avenue in North

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Kingstown. Thank you. Just I came up was going to come up and talk about my deep concern about

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the continued use of the flock safety on medical license plate readers.

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I think it's extremely important to protect our privacy,

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which in this matter would include stopping the surveillance technology in our community.

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I would request that we terminate the town's contract with flock safety.

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Other people who have just spoken before me have said a lot of

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If very well-stated reasons why that should happen, and I agree. Thank you.

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Thank you, Elizabeth.

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Pam?

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Manson.

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I guess I'll be the first one to shift the subject to the pet stores.

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My name is Pam Manson. I live at 51 High Bank Avenue.

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I've been here for about 13 years.

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And I'm here to support the amendment, the proposed amendment to ban the pet stores in North

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Kingston.

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I just want to focus on one small aspect, there's going to be many more comments, I think

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about this subject, but I'm here to hopefully provide some context.

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Retail pet stores actively advertise that they sell USDA approved or licensed puppies.

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And at first blush that reference to USDA, the United States Department of Agriculture sounds great.

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But what does it really mean?

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It simply means that the puppies are born to a commercially high-volume breeder,

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commonly known often as puppy mills,

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who is legally registered to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

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It generally means the breeder has more than four breeding females

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cells and cells puppies wholesale. Licensed facilities are supposed to meet basic federal

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standards for housing, feeding, and veterinary care. But enforcement is sketchy and

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the standards on minimal often referred to only as survival standards. It allows

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for such conditions as small, crowded, stacked cages, lack of human contact, lack of

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exercise and inadequate food.

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It's merely a business license for the commercial breeder.

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It does not mean under any circumstance that the government approves or certifies the quality

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or humane treatment of the animals or even the ethics of the breeder.

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The store can advertise that puppies are USDA approved without any regard to the quality

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care the puppies have received. At a minimum, it's misleading to the public.

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There are many reasons the town should not allow commercial sale of these animals.

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The town should not be complicit in the perpetuation of the treatment and human treatment

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of animals, and I urge you to adopt the proposed amendment. Thank you for giving me this

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time.

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Hello everyone, my name is Christine Mengen, Dash Ulf, I'm at 73 Condonav.

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Some of this may be duplicated from what Ms. Mason just mentioned, but it's worth mentioning

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again.

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I am here on behalf of the prohibition, the sale of dogs and cats in North Kingston.

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on. In the 1970s, pet stores were in Rhode Island. In fact, Rhode Island Mall, formerly known

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as the middle of Mall, I'm dating myself, had a pet store in the mall, but that was then.

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That was the 1970s. This is 2026. We know too much now, hence why there are so few

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pet stores in Rhode Island so we cannot claim ignorance any longer and this applies to all,

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especially if you're in a for-profit business, making money off of puppies.

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Again, maybe repeating myself here from some others, a little about puppy meals.

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A puppy meal is a high-volume commercial breeding facility that prioritizes profit over the

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well-being of animals. In these establishments, dogs, particularly females are often

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kept and overcrowded in unsanitary conditions with minimal or no vet care and inadequate

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nutrition, the purpose of this business is the mass production of puppies for sale.

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The relentless breeding cycle leads to medical and behavioral issues in both parent dogs

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and their offspring. And the puppies born in these meals are frequently sold to unsuspecting

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buyers without proper health screenings or vaccinations. Puppy meals prioritize profit over

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the quality of life for the animals involved and are most often misleading or deceptive about

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cruelty they inflict on the dogs in their care. They have bad living space, the dogs stay in small

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wire cages without soft beds, grass or clean air, poor health. The puppies often have hidden

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genetic sickness, fleas, and weak parts. No care for the parents, the mother dogs breed nonstop.

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Until their bodies break down, then they get abandoned or killed by the puppy mills. No human touch,

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Puppies miss out on early training which causes life.

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Long fare, and behavior issues. Since COVID, shelters, refuse, impounds have filled up. Adoptions have slowed down,

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impuppies for sale does not help the situation by any means, nor does it make sense when local shelters

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are having difficult, defining homes for those dogs. Fishbowl can survive on selling pet store supplies alone,

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just as one foot pet who used to sell puppies and kittens, pet co and pet smart do.

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It is time for them to come to the realization that selling puppies is unethical,

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and North King's town residents do not want this. I have lived in this town since 2001 and I

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was always proud to live here. It's part of South County. The beginning of South County

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regardless of what other parts of South County say. However, this has put a serious black mark on our

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town and we want town officials to finally take a stand and do the right thing. We are not asking

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you to close them down, but for fishbowl to stop the sale of puppies from their North King's

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town store. Please stand up for the residents of North King's town and do what's

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ethically right. We would really appreciate the town officials to support on this. Thank you.

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Should have told the folks here, what those noises mean? I don't think I did that.

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It's said for three minutes and after two minutes it goes to yellow and then after when you have 30 seconds left

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it'll give one beep for the red and then when the three minutes are all the way up that's when it does the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

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Okay

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John McGee and please

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and after John we have

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If no Flynn, Battle of Magago, Michael Marbello, Richard Lalo, and former rep at Surper,

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can come up and light up along the wall, I'd appreciate it.

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Good evening.

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John McGeean, 25, Fowler Street, North Kangstown.

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I am here regarding the issue of Flock, and I first like to thank Councilman McCoy

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for answering some of my questions today and thank you for reaching out looking for the

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opinion of the community.

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But I first of all have a couple of questions about your

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proposal.

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The primary question and I'm thank you for the history on that because I'm

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a bit remiss for not having been aware of the history of flock and I must say I have

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than I ever thought I'd know.

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But when you talk about suspension of the program,

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and Mr. Minsky, I'm asking you this question,

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do you mean that the use of the flood cameras

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will be terminated as of tonight or tomorrow?

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What I envision is if the council approves it,

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they'll be suspended, they won't be working

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as soon as possible after a vote.

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Do we have any idea if the council does agree to that?

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What as soon as possible means?

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Mr. Mayor General, if you have a comment.

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So I would say if the council decides to suspend the use immediately,

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then our goal would be to turn them off tomorrow.

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Yeah. Okay, that's what I wanted to know.

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Secondly, you talk about the opportunity of the chief.

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Chief Urban to present his arguments for the use of that will there be an opposing

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for lack of another term but party that will be present during this end.

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Well, it should look like that would be open to the public sir.

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So what we'll have is

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I have the chief maker presentation here public comment and that make a decision.

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I believe that the rep from ACLU is next.

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Yeah, I'm sure the ACLU will be here too.

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I don't know the rep from the ACLU.

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I'm sure they'll come back.

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And I'll call their executive director who I am.

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All right.

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And I'll tell them about what they're going to be on.

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Which I did for this meeting.

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Very good.

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And just regarding my comments and I know my time must be growing short.

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I have been looking at the Facebook site of the NK Police Department and there's something

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on there called like myth versus something.

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It's posted there from time to time and it has been suggested that there are, that cases

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have consistently upheld the use of flock cameras.

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I would love to have the opportunity to find those cases I have, not as-

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House of Yat, what I do know is that the Supreme Court of the United States in two recent cases has addressed

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the issue of cell phone being using cell phone signals and what they call the G.O. Fencing. And if

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anything, what we see as a trend, even among this court, right here, that this is rising

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to the level of a Fourth Amendment search. And if, in fact, as the gentleman so beautifully put

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the second gentleman that spoke, we are being searched out there just in our everyday travels by

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cameras. Well, we're rising now to the level of a bank of information that really, if we're

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looking for the bad guy, perhaps Warren's are necessary. So those are some of my concerns

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with this. But I do support your proposal if, in fact, it's going to be, if the council

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votes on this, that the use of the cameras will be stopped immediately.

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That would be the point behind it.

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Thank you.

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Sir, if you're looking for information that the police department posted, you can definitely

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email the chief or if you don't know his email address, email the town council and we can

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direct you to the chief and they can get you.

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Okay.

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Mr. Belflin.

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President Mancini, council members, Mr. Manager, Bill Flint, long time, North King's town resident,

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51 years.

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I'm here to express my concern about our town's police use of flock license plate cameras.

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A flock reader certainly seems to have some powerful law enforcement capabilities,

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such as opting into a national data sharing network.

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My concern is that apparently in Rhode Island there are no statewide guidelines or laws on how data collected can be shared.

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To quote from the recent research by the National Office of the ACLU, and there's someone from the ACLU there, I'm a very long time member, quote,

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there have been numerous documented instances of police sharing flock data with ICE and unscrupulous police using it to track protesters and by individual officers to stalk people.

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Another example was Texas police using stock flux nationwide network to search through more than 83,000 cameras to locate a woman's suspected of having an abortion.

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I recommend that you review and you also, the recent Rhode Island House of Representatives

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Bill, H8070, that sought to amend state laws on criminal procedure to prevent misuse of

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the system, lobbying by the state police and Rhode Island police chiefs association,

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installed it for this session.

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Until we have legal protections against the misuse of the

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flood plate readers in Rhode Island, we should terminate

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its use in our town.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Flee.

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Mr. Flee, Mr. Flee, can I have you, Radwell, please?

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May I have your advice?

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16, Dawes, Avenue.

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Excuse me.

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Excuse me.

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Otherwise, you'd never know what was there.

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Thank you.

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I'm Madeline.

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Thank you, Mr. President and members of the committee, Madeline McGunnigol.

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I am the Policy Associate at the ACLU Rhode Island.

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You ask you to put your address.

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Sure, if you don't hold it against me, I do live in East Greenwich.

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It's 10, 16 Main Street.

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I think that may be a close vote.

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It is very close.

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So there's really not much more that I can add beyond what the

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eloquent constituents have said before me in opposition to the

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to the council because I know I did send you all quite a lengthy letter and then another one shortly

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thereafter so I just wanted to make myself available in case anyone had any questions and just

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in the long story short we do support terminating the contract though I understand if the council

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wants to talk about it with chief urban once he's here. I have a question for you. It's my

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And the police department was willing to meet those standards, which I don't know if they

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are, here in the town of North Kingstown, is that something that would change the ACLU's

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position.

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I think it would definitely be a very good safeguard going into place.

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That bill has been poured over, and there's a lot of input.

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More protections in it, and that's why we lobby so hard in favor of it. I would say that it would be a very good beneficial tool for the police department to have in place if these cameras are going to keep being used.

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Thank you.

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Next is Michael Marbello,

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Michael Marbello 159, Leigh Side Avenue and Cranston.

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I am the owner of the fishbowl aquarium and I'm here to point out some things one I did

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come to the town before putting the puppies in there and I was given the okay by the town

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the dog officer and the DEA.

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That being said, I believe everyone else does that puppy mills are bad.

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Our dogs do not come from those types of places.

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We have breeders that we've been using for years.

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I've been selling dogs for 18 years.

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I have the same breeders.

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It's okay to shake your head and disagree with me.

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But you still get a listen to me for a second,

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because we do it right with their vet checked every week.

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They're quarantined.

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They come with vaccines and shots.

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So all of that saying that they are shipped without any care

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is not true.

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They have to be checked by a licensed veterinarian

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before traveling state lines.

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They come to the store, they get quarantine for seven days, they get checked by a local

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vet.

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The puppies are well taken care of and we'll be doing it for a long time.

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Do you have a question for me?

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Who gave you the permit to let you do this?

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I came to the town and talked to a believe it was Ben in charge of economics.

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He gave me the procedure.

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Each department came, the fire department, everyone transferred the license over.

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I was asked specifically if there was anything I needed to do to sell puppies and they said no,

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just the state requirements by the DM. Now with all this going on, the DM has come six or seven times.

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The SPCA has come. They have found zero violations. Everything is in order the way it is supposed to be.

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I don't think the problems with you. I think the problems with the puppy mills.

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But they're not from puppy mills because you just someone just came up here and said a puppy mill is unconditioned, unvaccinated, unregistered.

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A puppy mill is a backyard breeder that does not follow any of the rules and regulations.

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If you want to say the rules and regulations are not strict enough, that's fine.

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In 1970, as someone liked to point out, they were not.

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The rules have come a long way.

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There's more rules now for us than anybody else out there with puppies, including a rescue.

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And you, one more question, you came without a shelter license, and I understand that I don't,

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I don't, I don't, I don't, wasn't required to have a shelter license.

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D.E.M. pet store thing, because their under that supervision means that I am okay to do it,

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and I don't need a boarding license, neither.

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So Ralph, does you need a shelter, a boarding license?

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So according to the town ordinance, we issued a notice of violation to the company because

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our, or the place where your establishment is, is not zone properly for the overnight

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states of the overnight state of pets.

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You have the opportunity to fight that.

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You can go to municipal court.

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If you don't like that decision, you're going to

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repeat the report.

453
00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:15,170
We're here to work along with that.

454
00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:18,090
But you were interested in noticing violation because

455
00:38:18,090 --> 00:38:20,910
if the town, when the town issued the license,

456
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:24,750
it was not of the understanding that pets would be staying overnight.

457
00:38:24,850 --> 00:38:27,290
That's a whole different zone within the time of

458
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:27,790
about the king's time.

459
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:28,850
We don't prohibit it.

460
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:29,290
You're just not the right kind of.

461
00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:31,990
Okay. Well, pets stay over and all pet stars overnight.

462
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:48,250
And the second thing, the audience that you sent me says that they will win, that they have to not be without veterinary care, and under the DEM's Petsville license, we are under veterinary care, our vet is on call 24 hours a day, and she comes in all the time.

463
00:38:48,610 --> 00:39:00,810
So therefore we don't fall under that, which, that's a whole different argument, but trying to change the definition of Petstoas, after you told me it was okay, and I make this huge investment to build the store up.

464
00:39:00,810 --> 00:39:05,730
So that is not the just election and I don't mean to interrupt so that is not because there's two separate issues going on this evening

465
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:09,910
And I want to respect both issues. Issue number one is the ordinance in question

466
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:16,010
The ordinance in question would not apply to you because what because a town cannot

467
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:22,970
Introduce a law that retroactively affects someone so for example if I had a duplex on my home and

468
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:28,550
The town decided that I might my lot was zone single family. I can't knock down my duplex

469
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:31,950
So we can't retroactively impose this ordinance on you.

470
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:35,530
The ordinance aside, the town has determined

471
00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:38,150
after getting phone calls that your establishment,

472
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:40,150
which your right was properly licensed,

473
00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:43,650
properly permitted, there was no qualms about that,

474
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:46,590
that we were not aware that there was the overnight stay

475
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:50,210
of dogs and cats in our ordinance prohibits it

476
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:51,390
in that particular zone.

477
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:55,530
You have every right to fight that to go to municipal court

478
00:39:55,530 --> 00:39:59,630
to say that the zone is not the way we're interpreting it.

479
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,140
We can, we can, that you have the right to that argument in judicial system and we respect that, but we have the term that there is overnight stay and is not allowed in that area.

480
00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:13,280
Okay, but it's still not meeting the definition, but I don't think that's a separate problem.

481
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:13,940
Yes.

482
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:18,760
But the big problem is the town told me, you're okay, go ahead, make the investment.

483
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:24,620
45 days later, oh, by the way, we're going to take away 50% of your income, you might as well close.

484
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,380
My understanding, and I could be, and my understanding is that when the

485
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:32,760
promoters was issued, the town was not aware that there would be overnight

486
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,580
boarding that was a pet store. That's not true because I have

487
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:38,480
specifically asked about the puppies in the sale of puppies.

488
00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:41,440
Well, I won't question that I wasn't there, so that I appreciate that.

489
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,720
But again, it isn't there isn't an NOV there and it will take its course and we will work

490
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,060
with you on that. That's fine. My attorney's still waiting to hear about it. Thank you.

491
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,540
Thank you.

492
00:40:54,860 --> 00:41:05,620
Richard Lalo, and then I have some of the folks who could line up, Rapsurpa, Lucy, or Hanson,

493
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:11,820
I think it is from Full Liberty Road, Angie, she and, Angie Sherman,

494
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,880
and Karen Krasmowski.

495
00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:19,070
Thank you.

496
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:30,500
Richard Lalo at 190 West Main Street, I don't think I can add too much, especially after the

497
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:37,140
second speakers discussion of things. But there's a couple of things. The contract was established in

498
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:46,180
24. Contract was voted on October 30, 2023. It was a one-year contract. I think I'm not sure when

499
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:52,620
It started because I think there was a little construction of the cameras, stations themselves,

500
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:58,300
but it was renewed as my understanding and that's what I know.

501
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,380
It was renewed for another year.

502
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:05,680
It did not go before the Council on it, the manager wants a comment on that.

503
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,560
We would like to, so the Council approved the one-year contract, and I believe October of

504
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:20,540
2023. The contract commenced on January 2025 when the first flight camera went life. It was

505
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:25,560
a one-year contract through 2025 with an automatic one-year renewal, the contract expires

506
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,820
in November of 2026. Okay. So we didn't know about the automatic renewal. That is correct.

507
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:35,900
We didn't know. The council did not get about the automatic renewal. They approved the one-year

508
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:41,960
contract within the contract, there was a one-year automatic renewal with respect to the

509
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:48,240
council in the motion, it was just a one-year contract. So the council was not aware

510
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:53,180
that was an automatic one-year renewal that falls on this administration. The council was not

511
00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:56,700
aware of that, so we take responsibility for that, not the council.

512
00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:03,460
Okay, I just wonder how that could be. I mean, so the motion was that we had a kind, a great

513
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:06,020
question. I don't blame you because I had the same questions.

514
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:10,140
The contract was for a one-year

515
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:15,920
contract. Within the terms of the contract, there was a one-year renewal, automatic renewal.

516
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,240
When we went for the council, we said there's a one-year contract. Never mentioned renewal.

517
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,720
So the council was never aware of that. So there could be a legal argument that could be made

518
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:31,260
that the council's motion was for a one-year contract. I spite that the fact that the contract

519
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:34,420
I signed, called for one year in New York, so they'd be a legal argument for that.

520
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,820
The council was not aware of that, they are not responsible for that.

521
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,780
We are.

522
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:39,580
Okay.

523
00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:40,600
I am.

524
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,080
All right.

525
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,960
So, what was signed was not read, but what was signed was not read properly and advised.

526
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:50,320
Okay.

527
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:58,220
I personally don't want to live in a surveillance state.

528
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,160
I've done nothing wrong.

529
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,320
I don't want to be followed.

530
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:11,820
One of my concerns, there are many, but I'm only going to identify one, is the federal

531
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:21,680
agencies like ICE using this data to basically terrorize the citizens of this country and

532
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,220
that is something that I fear very deeply.

533
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,180
And I don't know what provisions there are to prevent that.

534
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:31,540
And if you know, please, please tell me.

535
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,200
Yes, we do not share any data with any federal agencies.

536
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,680
At the moment.

537
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:36,120
Correct.

538
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,580
I can only talk about the moment.

539
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:40,480
And only half of work.

540
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,280
Going forward, we have no intention of sharing any information

541
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,220
with federal agencies.

542
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:48,100
And how do we police that?

543
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,480
By the fact that we're saying we're not going to share any

544
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,660
information with federal agencies that we

545
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,200
part of the policy within the Northeastern Police Department.

546
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:57,520
Sir, I mean, if you get a bunch of questions or more

547
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,960
I'm happy to answer that but I want to keep things moving along here.

548
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,140
If I want to email them to us, more than happy to answer them. Okay. The general thing is who controls the data?

549
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:09,590
Does

550
00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:17,690
do I think some police does flock control it? It is my understanding that it is controlled by the

551
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:21,750
North King's Tump Police Department. That's what I think. And that the data disappears in

552
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:26,390
30 days. Okay. Well, hold on everybody. Okay. That's why we're going to have the chief

553
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:32,310
ask him and then you certainly can respond and we'll welcome your input. Okay? It's a legitimate

554
00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:36,770
question that the public needs should absolutely have an answer to. Okay?

555
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:40,100
Okay.

556
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:45,840
Serpo, is she going to testify? You're all set. Okay. Next is Lucy.

557
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:49,360
I'm going to get back to the

558
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:55,580
pet stores. My name is Lucy. Oh, and that's the end. I'm on for Liberty Road and Slowcome Road Island.

559
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,400
And I have been involved in dog rescue for 34 years.

560
00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:04,860
The last 17 is a co-director of a regionally-based transport rescue.

561
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,620
And additionally, for 40 years, have that close associations with those in the dog fancy.

562
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,280
Which means those who show, compete with and breed their peer red dogs.

563
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:17,000
These would be the breeders referred to as responsible breeders.

564
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:20,460
My own personal dogs come from the dog fancy,

565
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:26,080
And I only point this out to establish that I am not against purchasing a puppy versus rescuing one.

566
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,480
I believe it is well-established that there are several credible manners by Wix to attain a dog.

567
00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:35,760
One of them, however, is not purchasing a puppy from a puppy store.

568
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:37,980
And that will be my focus here today.

569
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:46,840
Certainly with the national current as it is, it is simply unbecoming for town as progressive as North King's town,

570
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:53,940
to be hosting something that represents an inhumane industry that is culturally speaking a sinking ship.

571
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:59,200
To wet, if you enter into Google, should I get a puppy from a puppy store?

572
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,640
The answer for May I is a categorical, no.

573
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,600
Citing potential consumer risk regarding health and temperament and deceptive sourcing.

574
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,300
This is not new information.

575
00:47:09,940 --> 00:47:15,400
Now disallowed in 10 states and countless jurisdictions, including six-year in Rhode Island.

576
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:24,140
Puppy sales nationwide have decreased by nearly half from 900 to less than 500 in the

577
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,280
last 10 years alone.

578
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:32,560
Additionally, in 2025, according to Ava, which is the American Veterinary Medical Association

579
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,260
per their pet ownership and democratic source book.

580
00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:40,580
30% of our dogs are obtained as re-homes, from relatives, friends, or the community.

581
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:46,500
27% are from shelters or rescues and more than 19% are from private readers.

582
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,180
This versus barely 9% from independent pet stores and 3% from chains.

583
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,020
These are not numbers that need protecting in terms of consumers being a much smaller

584
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:56,940
share of the market.

585
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,260
Legacy stores, grandfathered in nationwide, who have established ordinances, regardless

586
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:06,520
of often made the transition to no longer selling puppies.

587
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:16,580
Indeed, our state's own rumored pets for many years the dominant puppy store change their model 13 years ago in advance of this shift

588
00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:24,700
but sensing the turning of the tide and has not only been applauded but well supported by the community for evolving in this way.

589
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:34,740
Everyone wins when this happens. Indeed, my dog rescue was the first to support rumpered when they've changed their model by holding adoption events there.

590
00:48:34,740 --> 00:48:40,580
One of my favorite adoptions was to a woman named Stephanie, who had purchased a pecanese from

591
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:42,380
named Senus, from Romford.

592
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,120
She was hoping to find a playmate for him, and indeed adopted one of ours, Adam meet up at

593
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,080
the very same store.

594
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,080
She had purchased a puppy from only three years before.

595
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:58,220
Happy ending to wait, to North Kangstown, have the sense to assist such transitions and become

596
00:48:58,220 --> 00:49:01,100
part of these more humane change in times.

597
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Thank you.

598
00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:02,620
Thank you.

599
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,520
Do you want to speak?

600
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:17,190
Good evening council members, especially

601
00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:20,270
town manager Malice and Greg Mancini.

602
00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:22,890
My name is representative Patricia Serp.

603
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:25,530
I'm from District 27 in West Walk and

604
00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:28,870
Coventry and my address is one West Valley circle.

605
00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:31,850
So I hope you'll forgive me for coming from West

606
00:49:31,850 --> 00:49:32,110
World.

607
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:35,510
But I was actually going to follow Angie because she

608
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:38,690
kind of set the table for what I wanted to talk about tonight.

609
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:53,650
About three or four years ago, I worked very closely with the U.S. Society of the United States and I was successful in submitting some legislation and get it passed for them. I got some awards from them.

610
00:49:54,130 --> 00:49:59,910
After about two or three years of my being successful, they approached me and asked me if I would submit some legislation.

611
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:15,460
To ban the retail sales of pumps and cats in the state. I knew it was a bit of an overreach and I said, well, maybe we should start small and they said, no, you stop big and then go down if you have to.

612
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:24,260
So, without further ado, naturally I was unsuccessful. I could not ban the retail sale of pets in the entire state.

613
00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:30,640
state, but activists heard about the work that I was doing, but it's a very close network.

614
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:36,880
And mostly women, I'm sorry to say, if dogs are a man's best friend, I wanted to wear

615
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,300
all the men wear, because they were nowhere to be seen.

616
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:46,520
But it was mostly women, and I submitted the legislation in January, and legislation is always

617
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,500
heard right away.

618
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:54,140
So these women decided to go out to all areas of the state of Rhode Island, all areas all

619
00:50:54,140 --> 00:51:00,040
accounts, and they took a couple of months to do it, and they got signatures from all over

620
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:08,460
the state of people who supported banning the retail sale of bets in the state. Period.

621
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:14,880
They got them from wickfid, they got them from, you name it, they were there. In fact, the day

622
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,340
of the hearing, we delivered the cartons of boxes on a dolly. Helped from the state had

623
00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:26,780
state house, they had to come and deliver the contents of signatures on a dialie to show

624
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:32,300
the committee. So long story short and it is a long story. I worked very closely with the

625
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:40,700
humane society and after a while I had to stop looking at their undercover videos and their undercover

626
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:48,680
pictures. I really had to stop looking. They were making me sick to my stomach. But I went forward

627
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,180
with the legislation two or three years, and Angie's going to set the table.

628
00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:59,660
These puppy meals, I was surprised to learn, run mostly by the Irish people in states like

629
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:05,460
in Nebraska, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and that was a surprise for me because I considered

630
00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:08,360
those people like as close to heaven as you can get.

631
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:15,900
I learned that animals to them are simply beasts of burden meant for our purpose and our

632
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:21,960
convenience. They have no little and no respect for animals. I'm trying to talk really fast.

633
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:28,680
Little are no respect for animals. They breed these animals dogs especially,

634
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:35,340
indiscriminately, indiscriminately. They breed mothers with sons. They breed fathers with

635
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:43,780
the daughters. So you can imagine that the puppies in utero are being formed defective.

636
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:51,440
And I'll tell you another story, one of our best witnesses came from Ocean State that in East

637
00:52:51,440 --> 00:53:00,200
Greenwich, and she, when she saw all of the dogs coming in from retail pet stores into

638
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:09,140
that practice, she actually started a folder called the Imperfect Pops, and that's all

639
00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:10,500
I'll say about that.

640
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:12,780
I just asked you to wrap it up, okay?

641
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:14,100
Okay, the imperfect pups.

642
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:17,820
She said that she was trying to take care of these animals.

643
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,080
They were three, four, five months old.

644
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Families had spent literally thousands of dollars on these pups.

645
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,480
They already loved them.

646
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,100
They had cardiac problems.

647
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:30,740
They had liver problems, major organ failure.

648
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:35,060
She said, way too often, I had to tell the parents and the families

649
00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:38,760
that the most remaining thing to do was to put them down.

650
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,140
She said, so you can imagine how they met.

651
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,880
So bringing it back to home and I'll wrap it up right here.

652
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:46,820
I had to ratchet it down quite a bit.

653
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,560
I was successful with the help of the advice of the amensis.

654
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:53,480
I, in ratcheting it down to the town of Westward,

655
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:56,200
there are two pet stores in the town of Westward.

656
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,940
But by ordinance, if and when these two pet stores go out of this,

657
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,980
there can be no further retail sale of pets in the town of Westward.

658
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:07,920
And this is the last thing I'll say.

659
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,160
And I was told that the only reason why the town didn't

660
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,160
ban them all together, you said that that you can't,

661
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,960
I think, tell me in it, tomorrow's, you can't retroactively

662
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,020
throw them out, but not only by ordinance, but you can

663
00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:26,660
ban them period. So you can't throw them out, but you can't

664
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:30,240
ban them. Not only banning the sale of puppies and cats,

665
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:34,720
you can ban them. Oh, I guess that's what we're still, yeah,

666
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,940
you can ban it further. So, if and when these two stores go out of business,

667
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,280
still need more retail sales, if pets in Westworld, then I hope that's the case with North Kingston.

668
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:47,260
And thank you for indulging me. I appreciate it. Thank you, Rob.

669
00:54:53,660 --> 00:54:57,140
You can see why Westworld is represented so well.

670
00:54:58,620 --> 00:54:59,500
Angie, she had.

671
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:17,710
Hi, Angie, she in 35 five minute cabin room. I was never getting in the easier for me to get in up here. It goes against everything in my soul coming up in public speaking in front of everybody's own.

672
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:24,670
I am here though. I'm reading from a support letter that has been endorsed by vets, rumors, trainers, you name it.

673
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:30,870
And that we're in favor of an ordinance prohibiting the sale of retail, puppies and kittens here in North Kingston.

674
00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:37,090
There are hundreds of municipalities and several states, including Maine and Vermont, close

675
00:55:37,090 --> 00:55:43,670
to us, that have similar ordinances, response to well-documented concerns about how animals

676
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:48,470
are sold and pet stores, how they're sourced.

677
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:59,790
Pets are frequently connected to large-scale animal facilities called puppy mills, and the

678
00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:03,010
documentation depends on who you're talking to, ASPCA,

679
00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:06,270
our humane world, which is actually used to be

680
00:56:06,270 --> 00:56:08,070
the humane society of the United States,

681
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:10,090
is now called the humane world.

682
00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:13,050
It's about 90% of pet store puppies in America

683
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:14,390
come from puppy mills.

684
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:21,230
So they do come from the Midwest, and it can be a trotis.

685
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:24,570
They're environment that they're growing up in.

686
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:28,710
that can lead to health issues.

687
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:37,290
They have listed a lot of parasites and diseases

688
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:40,030
that they have because of those conditions.

689
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:42,710
That can also lead to surrendering your animals.

690
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:47,030
The parents are the owners, they're heartbroken now.

691
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:50,650
They've spent a lot of money on the puppy at the pet store.

692
00:56:50,650 --> 00:56:56,750
now there's been a lot of money at the vet and now they have might have to make that decision.

693
00:56:59,050 --> 00:57:05,760
Furthermore, there are two studies that not only do the puppies that come out of the puppy mills

694
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:12,830
have illnesses but they also have behavioral issues. So one of the studies is from the American

695
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:18,350
Veterinary Medical Association, finding that dogs purchase puppies as puppies from pet stores

696
00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:24,630
have significantly higher rates of adult problems, like aggression, fear, separation-related issues.

697
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:30,490
Because of how they begin their lives, in a co-opinist, noise of hundreds of stress,

698
00:57:30,670 --> 00:57:35,350
barking dogs, cages stacked on top of each other sometimes.

699
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:38,930
And then they travel across the

700
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:48,330
country to end up in a lonely pet store. And that extra stress can cause dogs to stay in fight or

701
00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:51,910
cause a family to maybe have to give up their dog.

702
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,540
So we would be joining a Providence East Providence,

703
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,140
Woolwick, West Woolwick, Smithfield,

704
00:58:00,460 --> 00:58:01,900
situate, center falls.

705
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,680
When's that, so we just urge the council

706
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,120
to do what's right for animal welfare.

707
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,700
For the constituents, there's so many of us

708
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:14,080
that do not want this in our town for purchasers

709
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:17,640
because it could be a long hard road for them.

710
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,180
And they've also perhaps gotten instant credit right in the store to purchase their puppy

711
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,160
impulsively.

712
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:30,460
And then we would like the pet store to instead host shelter events instead of selling puppies

713
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:32,740
from puppy mills.

714
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:38,720
We would, I don't know why you would want to do that after all the public pushed back.

715
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,920
So in regards to the ordinance from, isn't there an ease providence case,

716
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:47,620
I mean there

717
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:50,580
I would urge the council to look into that.

718
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,160
And then I brought with me tonight a binder for everyone

719
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,060
on the council and inside the binder.

720
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,280
Just why an ordinance matters?

721
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:59,440
Some definitions and descriptions of puppy mills

722
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,000
in USDA, which are horrific.

723
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,600
They are survival standards.

724
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:06,760
And the animal welfare act same.

725
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,840
They are USDA is enforcing the animal welfare act.

726
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,700
So you'll find that information in here.

727
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,660
There's an information on the puppy mill

728
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:16,740
in the pet store connection.

729
00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:33,280
But there's also trends about how source can transition to just selling, you know, pet supplies, fish, things of that nature, and then there's also more specific information to fish full.

730
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,480
So why don't you give them to Sergeant of Arms and help get them to us?

731
00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:39,080
Okay. Sure, that'd be great, but just one more thing.

732
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:49,440
In this one, you do get this. There are direct, direct, I get from my work to connecting the

733
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,200
We'll be back with Papi Mills.

734
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,960
Really? Thank you.

735
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,100
Go lift Nancy Sherman.

736
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:20,580
Then after Karen we have John Wagner, Doug Conrad, George Rivera, Jean, Halverson, Dawn, Taylor, Church.

737
01:00:20,860 --> 01:00:24,900
We'll go from there. figured light up on the back wall. Thank you.

738
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,480
Okay . Nancy White Sherman, it lived at 64th St.

739
01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:32,880
and I'm very appreciative of all the speakers tonight...

740
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:39,380
about the fall cameras. I'm totally in favor of suspension for the study and possible termination.

741
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:46,140
And I'm impressed. I'm impressed by the population of North King's sound. They're so smart.

742
01:00:47,260 --> 01:00:55,180
And anyways, I just have a pet peeve regarding school speeds. In Warwick, the school

743
01:00:55,180 --> 01:01:01,620
speedzone is 25. And then I feel it's inconsistent in North

744
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:02,060
Kingston.

745
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,580
One A, for North Kingston High School, it's 25, on

746
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:15,160
fairway it's 20, on Hamilton going south, it says 25, then

747
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,700
Stony Lane is 20. So at any rate, I just, I think it would be

748
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:24,220
nice if everybody had the same school's speedzone, maybe 25,

749
01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:28,900
or we didn't have this conflicting speed limit signs.

750
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:32,680
Can we have the traffic control folks, look at that, Ralph?

751
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:34,080
We can.

752
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,020
The issue was the two 25 mile prize zones

753
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:38,640
that you mentioned there on state roads.

754
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,980
The 20 mile prize zones are on top.

755
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:41,760
Oh, okay.

756
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,900
So we could go up to 25, but we couldn't go down the 20.

757
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:45,300
Correct.

758
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,720
And I don't believe the 25 mile prize zones

759
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,780
that could be incorrect on this, but I think I'm right.

760
01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:53,720
The 25 mile prize ones do not have speed cameras.

761
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,020
It's on the local roads.

762
01:01:56,980 --> 01:02:01,940
Where I've gotten my two tickets is on 117, 117 in

763
01:02:01,940 --> 01:02:02,640
Warwick.

764
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:03,660
And that's 25.

765
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:06,720
But in North Kingston, on it's my understanding that our

766
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,160
speed cameras are on fairway, school street,

767
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,140
in Stony Lane.

768
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:11,620
Okay.

769
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,600
Not on the street that you mentioned.

770
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:16,040
Okay.

771
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,400
Next week, Karen, excuse me.

772
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:26,720
Good evening.

773
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:28,000
Karen's enough.

774
01:02:28,180 --> 01:02:28,920
Excuse me, excuse me.

775
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:29,460
22.

776
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:30,200
I'm sorry.

777
01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:33,500
I'm just wondering about that.

778
01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:33,880
Yeah.

779
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:35,280
Sorry about that.

780
01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:40,460
So I have a pet peeve actually with a pet store.

781
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:44,040
Not to self-supplies, but to self-pets.

782
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:47,160
And I'm here to, I'm not going to be redundant.

783
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:50,780
But I want to talk about maybe the local cost of what that would be.

784
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:57,020
I've lived over in a clinic island and I have a 20-year relationship with the Potter League of Animals,

785
01:02:57,180 --> 01:03:03,180
helping to train and re-home pets and it costs a lot of money, a lot of volunteers,

786
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,880
a lot of different volunteers doing a lot of hours with these pets and they're not easy to

787
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,900
re-home if they have aggression issues and health issues.

788
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:17,620
So I support the having this ordinance

789
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:24,400
and having it not grandfather in a store that's already in motion selling these pets.

790
01:03:24,540 --> 01:03:30,680
I think it's really important that we be clear that there's no sale of pets.

791
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,100
It might be a challenge, but it's been done.

792
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:42,000
500 towns nationwide have been through this, and they have stopped the sale of pets.

793
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,840
So can be done.

794
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,320
I got that from chatGVT.

795
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,760
Yeah, that's good in my hope.

796
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,860
I'm going to get whatever it is from our town solicitor though.

797
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,060
OK, I'm just saying it can be done.

798
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,200
It takes a fight and it takes you helping us be a voice.

799
01:03:59,420 --> 01:04:03,420
So peer-reviewed study published in the journal

800
01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:05,720
of American Veterinary Medical Association

801
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,120
found that dog purchased from pet stores

802
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,580
had significantly higher rates of aggression,

803
01:04:13,860 --> 01:04:20,860
general fear, house, soiling, and separation anxiety compared to dogs from responsible breeders.

804
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,080
Those are exactly the behaviors that lead owners to give up a pet.

805
01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:33,260
It's not just behavior, veterinary research confirms that the incidence of K-9 power of virus

806
01:04:33,860 --> 01:04:42,400
is severe, often fatal disease, specifically higher in pet stores and breeding canals than in general dog population.

807
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:51,480
Other illnesses common to pet sore puppies include zumotic diseases which can spread to other pets and humans.

808
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:59,540
Buyers are often faced with enormous vet bills, especially if they're unable to pay, especially if they financed.

809
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:20,820
At the Puppy Store, a puppy may seem healthy for months, only to develop symptoms, a serious disease is later on, and these health problems are often the result of unsfinitary condition, insufficient veterinary care and poor breeding that may lead to owners needing to surrender their dog.

810
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:24,020
When this happens, in NK, it will cost taxpayers.

811
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,100
Town employees are the ones responsible for those calls and taking those animals.

812
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:34,920
And our local shelter run by the North King's town, animal shelter, support foundation,

813
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:42,040
absorbs the cost of caring for them, vaccination, housing, staff time, and medical care.

814
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,440
The foundation is a small nonprofit operating

815
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,180
on less than $50,000 a year,

816
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,720
so even a handful of surrendered animals

817
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,120
can eat up a real share of that budget.

818
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,560
Nationally, he made societies report

819
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,160
that preparing a single surrendered animal for adoption

820
01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:05,000
can cost anywhere from a few hundred dollars

821
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,080
to over a thousand.

822
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,320
So Puppy sold a frequently impulse purchases

823
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:19,900
is because you can finance on the spot and the pet store here in question, openly,

824
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:28,200
advertisers puppy financing with approvals up to $5,000 and a text to apply option, people

825
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:35,200
can use right there in the store and that's the same credit infrastructure used to sell furniture

826
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:36,920
or cars.

827
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:50,700
And that's to get you to say yes on the spot rather than go home and think it over and that's not how responsible pet ownership starts and it shows out in the it shows up in the outcome of surrendering pets.

828
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:56,860
So I'm asking the council to pass an ordinance right away and no grandfather clause for the pet.

829
01:06:56,860 --> 01:07:03,220
store currently operating here, and the little fellow loophole allowing store, stores to partner

830
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:09,860
with fake rescues to keep doing the same thing under a different name.

831
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:11,060
Thank you.

832
01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:12,640
Thank you.

833
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:13,960
Mr. John Wagner.

834
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:19,420
Hello.

835
01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:20,920
I'm John Wagner.

836
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,560
I live at 180 West Main Street.

837
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:41,060
I'm here also to voice my opinion on the vlog camera and say that I am for the immediate discontinued use of them in North King's town.

838
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:46,460
I am thankful of the second speaker.

839
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:54,700
He put it very, very eloquently, more so than I could.

840
01:07:55,020 --> 01:08:13,320
But I do want to add my voice to his, I am a software engineer by trade, and I listened carefully to what he had to say, and I did not hear anything that was incorrect about what he had to say,

841
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:24,100
or overblown or sensational. In fact, I think it was a very level-headed and sober opinion on the matter.

842
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:36,750
And I also wanted to add that with these internet of things devices, historically,

843
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:49,270
they are notorious for having glaring security holes and are easily hackable to the point

844
01:08:49,270 --> 01:08:58,350
where I don't even trust my own devices. I keep them segregated from all of my other devices

845
01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:00,650
computers in my own network.

846
01:09:03,570 --> 01:09:08,010
So, these devices that are manufactured by a for-profit company,

847
01:09:08,590 --> 01:09:14,490
I definitely do not trust them to be secure or for them to have security in mind.

848
01:09:17,770 --> 01:09:20,530
Yeah, and that is all. Thank you, Jeff.

849
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:25,900
Don't comment.

850
01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:25,980
Good

851
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:38,330
evening. Thank you. So, this Conrad 13 wins your avenue, the reverberate of new

852
01:09:38,330 --> 01:09:51,620
women. I consider it. This is more philosophical. It's about the technology. I'm 87, but I don't

853
01:09:51,620 --> 01:09:53,280
be around that much longer.

854
01:09:55,580 --> 01:09:59,800
But my sons and grandsons will be around another 45.

855
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:11,380
And anything dealing with the word surveillance, like a camera, frightens the hell out of me.

856
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:23,320
Because you have a certain technology now, but this technology is going to be improved, and then it's going to spread different ways.

857
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:34,700
And AI is going to get involved and who knows, before you know it, this country may be like China,

858
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:40,920
which has, I understand, millions of cameras to control their population.

859
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:48,080
And do we really want to control our population like an authoritarian government?

860
01:10:50,940 --> 01:11:02,120
So that's my question. Do you really want to have a authoritarian surveillance state in this country?

861
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,040
Thank you.

862
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:05,140
Thank you.

863
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,040
George Rivera.

864
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:19,660
Hey, thank you, Mr. Rivera. Jean Havelson. And after Jean, we're going to have

865
01:11:19,660 --> 01:11:28,360
Doran Taylor, William Tweetie, Alyssa Napp, Nateine Swanson, Ted Shean.

866
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:31,270
Those folks could

867
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:37,890
line up on the wall. We can move them. Be a long and appreciate it. Thank you. Good evening.

868
01:11:38,430 --> 01:11:43,470
I'm speaking about the pet stores too. I will not be redundant and the people who

869
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:46,410
spoke before me, we're very articulate and covered a lot of points.

870
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:47,930
They certainly say me name an address.

871
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:54,390
I'm sorry, Gene, how have we since seven wins are I have worked with rescues and

872
01:11:54,390 --> 01:12:00,930
four rescues for over 40 years and one thing that I think I can bring home is we're not condemning

873
01:12:00,930 --> 01:12:06,130
all pet stores and if you check, when I was talking to other people, they said, well, this one

874
01:12:06,130 --> 01:12:13,310
has dogs and this one does and they didn't realize that rescues and shelters provide adoption events

875
01:12:13,470 --> 01:12:20,170
at the other pet stores and somehow some way these stores are not selling them, they're

876
01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:24,770
sponsoring the rescue animals, and they're making a profit and they're a successful

877
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:30,170
business people. So my thought is if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the

878
01:12:30,170 --> 01:12:34,930
problem and I hope that North King's Sound will pass ordinances that will show you that

879
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:37,750
you are part of the solution. Thank you.

880
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:41,240
Do you want

881
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:54,780
me to hold them up?

882
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:55,880
Yeah.

883
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:56,480
Would you?

884
01:12:57,380 --> 01:12:59,020
Or maybe just put something here?

885
01:12:59,300 --> 01:13:00,580
It's a wake up so that they don't.

886
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,760
What do you think?

887
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,540
Do you think that's the best?

888
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:10,860
John Taylor Church for Liberty Road.

889
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,100
I'd like to thank the Council for hearing the concerns of the citizens in regards to the puppy

890
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:21,600
store and considering an ordinance to prohibit the retail sales of puppies and kittens in our town.

891
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,500
What I want to say is that puppies are not products.

892
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:32,980
They are living sentient beings, and not only that, most of us consider our dogs as part of our families these days.

893
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:39,460
So it's appropriate when talking about the procurement of these new family members to consider more than just the simple economics,

894
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:45,020
but also the humane issues, the ethical issues, and what will affect the hearts of the families involved.

895
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:52,300
Personally, I've been working in the animal welfare field either as a volunteer or professionally for my entire adult life.

896
01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:53,580
That's a long time.

897
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:58,320
I'd like to take a moment to speak for the shelter dogs if I could.

898
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:06,460
I don't know if any of you in the Council can remember or where we are of how bad things used to be for shelter dogs back in the seven days or so.

899
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:11,700
But at that time, we were utilizing about 15 million dogs every year in the US.

900
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:17,600
that number has declined incredibly down to about 1 million per year. At the same time, the number of

901
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:24,660
puppies sold in pet stores across the country has also declined dramatically. That is not coincidence.

902
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:31,740
This humane progress has largely been made by changing mindsets and asking people to think about

903
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:37,520
dog adoption as their first option. And while this trend has been so positive, we still could do

904
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,300
as a culture and also we have to be careful not to go backwards.

905
01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:44,520
These days I

906
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,460
co-direct a very small scale foster-based dog rescue called self-paused and

907
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:52,340
lately we've been focusing our efforts on helping dogs and shelters in Texas.

908
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:59,760
This, this Hill Ross has a photo of a sweet mom and dog that the shelter

909
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,300
The volunteers had named Serena in her 13 babies. They all were used in aised at the Barclay City Shelter in Houston, Texas on July 20, 20, 26.

910
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:19,380
Because placement could not be found for them. You see, shelters are still overcrowded, and take as relentless, rescues are fall, overcapacity,

911
01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:26,520
The clusters are full over capacity and not enough dog adoptions are happening and so dogs are still buying and shelters every day.

912
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,340
Perfectly nice dogs perfectly healthy dogs even puppies.

913
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:36,020
The crux of the problem is that there's still are too many dogs and not enough homes for them all.

914
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:43,600
And the worst thing that could happen to exacerbate that problem is to have puppies continuously and discriminately bred at large scale commercial canals

915
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,680
to be shipped across several states and end up being sold at a storefront to any impulse

916
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:55,260
buyer with a credit card. The point is that whenever one puppy is sold in a retail store,

917
01:15:56,020 --> 01:16:02,240
two really sad things happen. One is that a puppy like Serena's does not get a home.

918
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:10,660
And the other is that a mom dog in a cage in a puppy mill is forced to have another puppy,

919
01:16:10,660 --> 01:16:15,720
Another litter to replace that inventory that should never be called that.

920
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:21,580
The mom dog will suffer her whole life in notoriously exploitative and neglectful conditions

921
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:26,580
and all of this is only for the sake of money and greed of everybody involved in that model of business.

922
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:33,840
There is no reason to allow that puppy mill to pet store pipeline to continue that cycle here in our town.

923
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,500
And if you agree that this is an ethical issue at its foundation,

924
01:16:38,740 --> 01:16:43,080
then you also understand that there can be no loopholes, no grandfathers, no exceptions.

925
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,780
Thank you for your courage.

926
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:46,780
Okay.

927
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:51,920
William Tweetie, please.

928
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,940
My name is William Tweetie, 426 Washington Street and Coventry.

929
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:03,560
Good evening members of the council.

930
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,340
Mayor, manager Mollis.

931
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:11,000
I am the owner and trainer at 4POSK and I training LLC along with my wife Donna.

932
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:19,700
I've spent 19 years working professionally with thousands of dogs, more importantly with numerous families who have dealt with the consequences when a puppy gets a bad start in life.

933
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:26,020
I'm here to tonight to ask the council to take a serious look at retail store puppies, especially if one here in North Kingston with a fishball.

934
01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:33,240
This is simply not a question of where someone chooses to buy a dog, it's an issue of animal welfare, consumer protection, public health and responsible breeding.

935
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:39,240
Where pet store puppies come from, they're sold to retail stores, organizations, large commercial

936
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,380
breeding operations such as the store owner said, but the A.K.A. puppy mills that passed

937
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:45,200
who brokers before even reaching the store.

938
01:17:45,860 --> 01:17:50,240
This means the buyer often never meets the breeder, never meets a mother, the father, never

939
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,340
sees conditions a puppy was born into.

940
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:55,740
They see only an adorable puppy behind glass or a cage.

941
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,240
What comes home with that puppy often does not become apparent for days, even weeks.

942
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,600
We routinely see puppies affected with geodia intestinal parasites, respiratory infections,

943
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,760
poverty virus, distemper and other preventable infectious diseases.

944
01:18:11,180 --> 01:18:15,780
The American Veterinary Medical Association notes canine poverty virus, can mortality rate

945
01:18:15,780 --> 01:18:19,560
can exceed 90% in puppies, particularly in high risk environments.

946
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,860
The ASPCA is documented on large-scale commercial breeding environments, puppy mills,

947
01:18:25,860 --> 01:18:30,980
Well, it's an overcrowding limited veterinary, veterinary oversight, an increased risk of disease

948
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:32,660
and congenital health issues.

949
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,980
The first week of a puppy's life, a critical for development, puppies need proper maternal,

950
01:18:39,380 --> 01:18:44,000
litermate interaction, early socialization, exposure to normal household environments.

951
01:18:44,180 --> 01:18:48,080
From puppies of bread at high commercial facilities, separated early, transport and long

952
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,100
distances placed in retail establishments.

953
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:55,200
We see increased risk of fear, anxiety, post socialization, and long-term behavioral disorders.

954
01:18:55,900 --> 01:19:01,680
Federal and every behavior research consistently links high stress and adequate socialization

955
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,460
of fair-best behaviors and aggression in adult dogs.

956
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:10,640
As a professional trainer, I can tell you that selling someone a puppy is an easy part.

957
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,720
The family would have it for 10, 12, 15 years.

958
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:19,100
They are the ones who sit in the Federal Center offices, pay extensive bills, manage behavioral

959
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:22,860
challenges, and form deep emotional bonds before problems were even understood.

960
01:19:22,860 --> 01:19:29,460
The Centers for Disease Control, and Prevention, has investigated outbreaks of multi-drug

961
01:19:29,460 --> 01:19:34,780
resistance, can't be low-backed, infections linked to poppy soil poppies.

962
01:19:35,340 --> 01:19:40,800
One documented outbreak, 113 people became ill across 17 states and 23 were hospitalized.

963
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:47,000
The CDC surveillance has identified extensive drug-resistant strains associated with pet store

964
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:47,660
exposure.

965
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:52,000
These are documented public health events not the article risk.

966
01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:57,400
The Rhode Island Law does not have a single statewide ban on selling puppies and pets to us.

967
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:59,960
Instead of regulations and towns such as Providence.

968
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,380
SEC's province, west wall, smithfield and one socket have individual audiences.

969
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:11,660
Let's see, I'll skip ahead. Responsible breeding prioritized health, temperament, conduct genetic

970
01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:16,200
testing, provide proper socialization, know where the puppies are placed and often know

971
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:21,800
the buyers get to meet the parents of the dog. The puppy should never be an impulse purchase.

972
01:20:22,220 --> 01:20:28,640
It's an living animal with a long-term commitment. Petstores can remain successful by selling

973
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:33,380
puppies, supplies, all these other things associated with dogs.

974
01:20:33,660 --> 01:20:36,120
Partnering with shelters, hosting rescue adoption events.

975
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:40,360
In fact, provenance has already prohibited sale of dogs and cats and pets

976
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,520
to us while allowing rescue adoptions.

977
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:45,160
In conclusion, when someone walks into a pet store,

978
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,320
falls in love with a puppy, they should not have to wander.

979
01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:48,060
Where it came from?

980
01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:48,920
How was raised?

981
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:52,620
What conditions it was exposed to or what health risk it may carry?

982
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:53,760
We can do better.

983
01:20:54,540 --> 01:20:55,440
Puppies are not inventory.

984
01:20:55,940 --> 01:21:01,540
They are living beings whose health and development depend on what happens that I'm long before they ever come home.

985
01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:07,040
I respectfully ask this Council of the Pass and Audence, ending the retail sales of commercially bright poppies in our community,

986
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:13,920
and to support shelters, rescues, and responsible breeders, and only humane and transparent pathways to pet ownership.

987
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:17,260
Because by the end of the day, it comes down to one simple question,

988
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:22,420
that we want poppies treated as products or as lawyers worth protecting from the very beginning.

989
01:21:22,420 --> 01:21:23,760
Thank you for considering.

990
01:21:24,340 --> 01:21:25,320
Thank you.

991
01:21:32,650 --> 01:21:33,890
You might like a pro, listen.

992
01:21:35,050 --> 01:21:35,470
Thanks.

993
01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:37,550
I've watched a lot of this.

994
01:21:38,050 --> 01:21:39,510
A listen app, 24 Parkside Way.

995
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:44,350
First, I want to thank the members of the council who have taken an active role in the bit you

996
01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:45,430
mark asphalt issue.

997
01:21:45,610 --> 01:21:48,550
As many of you know, I'm a neighbor who has been directly impacted.

998
01:21:49,010 --> 01:21:51,870
And your efforts do not go unrecognized tonight.

999
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:53,630
I don't want to talk about the asphalt smell.

1000
01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:56,070
The floor cameras, which I pose for the record.

1001
01:21:56,070 --> 01:22:00,150
But my concerns for the impact of mass deforestation.

1002
01:22:00,510 --> 01:22:04,970
Last month on for would drive 27 acres for a forest came down.

1003
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:12,290
4,600 trees gone in 14 days to make room for a solar array that will be installed in about a year and a half.

1004
01:22:12,450 --> 01:22:14,890
And it sounds like we have a lot of animal lovers in the room.

1005
01:22:15,090 --> 01:22:18,010
So I'm thinking we're a little concerned for the animals on that land.

1006
01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:26,050
That land sits inside our ground water well red and recharge area and right beside the hunt river.

1007
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:33,410
And it happened because the parcel wasn't big enough to count as core forest under state rules, so nothing stopped it.

1008
01:22:33,730 --> 01:22:39,930
Most of this town sits on top of the hunt on a quartet, petacrompsket, aquifer that is a mouthful.

1009
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:54,310
One of only four sole source aquifers in this entire state, we have no real backup just a handful of emergency only connections to neighboring water systems that couldn't carry this town for long if our wells ever went down.

1010
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:59,150
And yet one project at a time we keep shipping away at the land that recharges it.

1011
01:22:59,430 --> 01:23:06,610
Each project is small enough to slide through but none of them ever add up to a real conversation about what we're protecting and why.

1012
01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:08,750
And you're something that needs our attention.

1013
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:12,470
That cleared land is about to become a working solar farm.

1014
01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:17,430
And solar farms need to keep the ground under panels clear of brush and weeds.

1015
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:22,450
Nationally, most operators do that with herbicides and pesticides.

1016
01:23:22,990 --> 01:23:26,110
We already know roundup causes cancer, yet it's still on the shelves.

1017
01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:30,490
So what do we think happens if these chemicals are used in the land above our groundwater

1018
01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:32,210
wellhead and recharge area?

1019
01:23:32,210 --> 01:23:41,970
So my question is simple, if our forest keeps disappearing, acre by acre, and our aquifer has no real backup, what exactly is the plan and when is the line drawn.

1020
01:23:42,510 --> 01:23:52,390
Because right now, if it doesn't feel like there is much of a plan, it feels like things are approved one at a time, but what happens when they add up to something that we cannot undo.

1021
01:23:52,390 --> 01:24:02,630
In 2024, Narraganset Bay estuary program study estimated Rhode Island lost nearly 4,000 acres of undeveloped forest land to solar development statewide.

1022
01:24:03,250 --> 01:24:09,030
And asking for a real look at how much recharge area we have left, how close we already are to a real problem.

1023
01:24:09,490 --> 01:24:15,630
And a commitment that future projects be measured against what we have left to lose, not just what fits in a zoning code.

1024
01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:21,130
I'll add one more thing before I sit down on Wednesday, August 19th at 6.30 p.m.

1025
01:24:21,190 --> 01:24:25,550
Nathan Cornell, President of the Rhode Island Growth Tree Society, will be at the North

1026
01:24:25,550 --> 01:24:30,190
Kingston Free Library, 100 Boon Street, presenting on Rhode Island's Forrest, and then

1027
01:24:30,190 --> 01:24:31,110
need to protect them.

1028
01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:32,530
Thank you.

1029
01:24:33,230 --> 01:24:34,290
Thank you, Alyssa.

1030
01:24:36,250 --> 01:24:37,210
I'm leaving Swanson.

1031
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,460
Hello, my name is Nathan Swanson.

1032
01:24:42,460 --> 01:24:44,840
I live at 540 School Street in North Kingston.

1033
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,820
I've lived in North King's town for pretty much my whole life.

1034
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:52,380
What I believe her name was Alyssa just came up here and said,

1035
01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:54,860
that is the stuff that keeps me up at night.

1036
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:59,980
I live right near all of this stuff that's happening right down the road from the...

1037
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:19,160
The solar stuff right down the road from Bichumar, that lovely smell that we get to smell. You know, on the daily, it's awful. I know we're working on it. I hope we keep working on it. I hope that just these elections coming up and then January, the commission getting together. I really hope I really hope that we can fight this.

1038
01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:22,080
I'm also here about the flat cameras.

1039
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,720
I do not believe in the surveillance state.

1040
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:27,780
I understand they have their uses,

1041
01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:32,440
but I believe that they will be used

1042
01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:34,900
for the wrong things in a lot of cases.

1043
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,200
As far as the, there's so many things I could talk about,

1044
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:41,440
but I live on school street.

1045
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:42,880
We have those speed cameras.

1046
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,800
I don't think they were a great idea.

1047
01:25:45,940 --> 01:25:47,480
I don't like the signage.

1048
01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:50,240
There's so much signage, it's unclear when they're on,

1049
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,040
when they're not on, it does not slow down people.

1050
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:55,680
It slows down some people.

1051
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:57,820
It does not slow down most people.

1052
01:25:57,860 --> 01:26:00,700
I think speed bumps would have been a much better idea.

1053
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,080
Closer to the school, because where the cameras are,

1054
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:06,200
they're not even catching the people that are speeding

1055
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,360
by the school.

1056
01:26:07,900 --> 01:26:10,180
I walked down that road four times a day.

1057
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,100
I know how fast people are going.

1058
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:15,780
And I think 20 miles an hour is too low.

1059
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:18,220
I think it should be more consistent, 25 everywhere.

1060
01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:20,820
I think that's at least giving a little bit more leeway

1061
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:21,960
when you pull out of a driveway

1062
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,320
and you don't realize, oh, my God, I hit 31,

1063
01:26:24,980 --> 01:26:27,040
like in a half, in a eighth of a mile,

1064
01:26:27,220 --> 01:26:30,700
or something like that, granted we haven't gotten any tickets yet,

1065
01:26:30,700 --> 01:26:33,660
but it's scary because I have five people on that road.

1066
01:26:34,740 --> 01:26:37,120
So I'm really here about the flop cameras today,

1067
01:26:37,700 --> 01:26:41,180
but Bitchumar, sludge, all that stuff is just weighing heavily,

1068
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,620
heavily on everybody in this town.

1069
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:52,580
And as far as the puppies go, I am a big fan of animal stores and I need fish and I need food

1070
01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:54,040
and I need things like that.

1071
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:58,840
I do not believe that puppies should be coming from puppy mills

1072
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,960
and I would hope that they would be ethnically sourced and whatnot.

1073
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:06,200
I feel badly that this person has invested money and whatnot.

1074
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,000
I just got a rescue puppy.

1075
01:27:08,620 --> 01:27:11,760
I sort of feel like the rescue is also a puppy mill

1076
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:18,320
to get a pregnant dog and let it have 13 dogs and then have to place 14 dogs.

1077
01:27:18,940 --> 01:27:24,640
I don't believe in any of that either and I don't know a lot of breeders that are

1078
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:25,040
reputable.

1079
01:27:25,820 --> 01:27:27,420
So thank you all for your time.

1080
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:28,560
Thank you.

1081
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:30,800
Todd Chinham

1082
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,640
Hi, my name is Todd Chin.

1083
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:44,020
I live at 35 high bank avenue and I've been a citizen of North King's town since 1967.

1084
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:55,900
First thing I would like to agree with a lot of the previous speakers against the retail sales of dogs and cats for protection for both the animals and the consumers.

1085
01:27:57,100 --> 01:28:08,100
And one of the things that I wanted to say was that Rhode Island has strict laws, strict animal cruelty laws, that I kind of believe a little bit applied to this situation.

1086
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:18,020
I mean, according to Title IV chapter one of the Rhode Island General Laws, these statutes make it illegal to mistreat neglect or harm dogs or other companion animals.

1087
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:28,940
That certainly, you know, there's no evidence that that has happened at any of these pet stores that people have been talking about, but the puppy mills are these source breeders.

1088
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,920
It is documented that they've been cited for neglect and animal cruelty.

1089
01:28:36,540 --> 01:29:03,280
And these animals have a direct channel to these stores in North Kingstown to have North Kingstown be an outlet for the selling of animals that certainly fall into the scope of this animal cruelty, it just seems to me that we're kind of complicit in the trafficking of animals that are being mistreated.

1090
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:08,560
if we are an outlet that allows that to happen, then we're

1091
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:14,760
we're complicit in those animals trafficking and we are supporting that whole

1092
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:15,720
avenue.

1093
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:24,100
You know, these puppy mills, these source breeders, whatever you want to

1094
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:29,280
call them, it would be unlawful in our state and yet we're allowing that product

1095
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:35,740
that product to show up here in North King's town. So that's what I have to say about the animals

1096
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:43,380
as far as the flat cameras go. That data that goes to the that goes directly to the North King's town

1097
01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:49,300
police department doesn't it have to go from that camera out to the cloud somewhere out in the

1098
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:58,920
ether and I just don't think that that channel can be so direct that we can be guaranteed that

1099
01:29:58,920 --> 01:29:59,780
that information.

1100
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:21,560
Can't be channeled off collected and used somewhere else. I think that to think that this data is only going directly to the North King's town police department and nowhere else, and it cannot be collected or stored or surveilled any other way. I think that that's just naive. That's not how technology works. Thank you.

1101
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:22,960
Thank you.

1102
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,940
Does that one of Elts was to speak this evening?

1103
01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:30,240
Thank you.

1104
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,280
If you do, if you could line up over there and speak, that'd be great.

1105
01:30:44,830 --> 01:30:47,350
My name is Emily Gamaj, I live at 10 Phillips Street.

1106
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:53,110
I'm just here to state my opposition to continuing the Flock contract.

1107
01:30:54,130 --> 01:31:00,010
I think that just like everyone else has said tonight, you can't dare guarantee data security.

1108
01:31:00,010 --> 01:31:11,710
I mean, we have very, very, very powerful people with lots of money and way more resources in our little town, fighting over our data day in and day out.

1109
01:31:12,250 --> 01:31:17,130
If you read the news, this is one of the biggest issues of our age.

1110
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:25,950
The fact that you can generate so much information with these cameras, any powerful person is going to want to know,

1111
01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:31,190
our movements, what we do, there's financial incentive there, there's incentive for

1112
01:31:31,190 --> 01:31:39,650
dissidents for people who disagree with what's the current political administration or people

1113
01:31:39,650 --> 01:31:45,470
within that administration, there's tons of incentive for this technology to be misused.

1114
01:31:47,530 --> 01:31:52,790
Turning a blind eye to that, it's like, I mean, didn't we all read 1984? Wasn't that like,

1115
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:57,550
We're supposed to read that in high school, like I was a big Philip K. Dick fan, like

1116
01:31:58,770 --> 01:32:05,450
Literature, like great minds have been warning us about this technology for ages for ages for like

1117
01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:11,470
Almost a hundred years now people have been warning us about this and now it's here and we have to fight back

1118
01:32:11,470 --> 01:32:15,490
This battle is already lost. We all have phones in our pockets. You know

1119
01:32:15,490 --> 01:32:21,870
People will want to say oh, well, why does it matter if we've already lost all of these other battles against our privacy?

1120
01:32:21,870 --> 01:32:25,730
And it matters because we don't have to have this, right?

1121
01:32:25,930 --> 01:32:28,710
We've created a society where we have to kind of have our phones.

1122
01:32:29,070 --> 01:32:32,770
We're kind of like, bought into all of this other stuff that we're forced to,

1123
01:32:32,930 --> 01:32:35,650
our laptops, all these things that we have to do in order to like,

1124
01:32:35,710 --> 01:32:37,170
work, live, get fed.

1125
01:32:37,950 --> 01:32:40,010
All of that stuff is already grandfathered in.

1126
01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:44,650
Yes, this is a plus one spot where we can make a stand for our privacy.

1127
01:32:44,970 --> 01:32:49,850
In our town on our roads that this data cannot be used improperly.

1128
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:55,250
so i know everybody probably wants to go home at some point tonight i'm not gonna keep going on and on forever

1129
01:32:55,250 --> 01:33:00,390
but i'm very much against it i've had these stickers surveillance kills liberty

1130
01:33:00,390 --> 01:33:04,410
if anyone wants one they can grab from one from me on the way out i made a myself

1131
01:33:05,550 --> 01:33:09,290
i really do believe that surveillance kills liberty thank you

1132
01:33:09,290 --> 01:33:13,790
she's been she's been she's been what was your neighbor doing

1133
01:33:13,790 --> 01:33:15,050
Emily good night

1134
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:25,010
I want to thank Emily, because Emily is the one that took the brunt of all of the noise and construction when they round about.

1135
01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:27,030
I'm the mound about Marta here, yes.

1136
01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:31,010
Thank you for your sacrifice.

1137
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:32,990
Thank you, I appreciate that.

1138
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:33,930
Mr. Welch?

1139
01:33:40,740 --> 01:33:41,740
Thank you, and good evening.

1140
01:33:42,940 --> 01:33:45,980
Richard Welch, eight arrow lane here in town.

1141
01:33:45,980 --> 01:33:58,740
First of all, it's great to see so many concerned citizens here tonight speaking out about their feelings of both the flock and the puppy bells.

1142
01:34:00,220 --> 01:34:05,240
I am not in favor of either of them, and with that I will move on.

1143
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:13,080
I think some people have stated the situation very eloquently, and certainly the direction

1144
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:13,900
should be.

1145
01:34:14,140 --> 01:34:21,400
The people are speaking, and now we just need representatives to listen and act accordingly.

1146
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:31,460
I'm thinking down the road a little bit, post-road, in particular, those of us who travel

1147
01:34:31,460 --> 01:34:35,420
that on a daily basis, on tearing out of vehicles apart.

1148
01:34:40,630 --> 01:34:41,430
Thank you.

1149
01:34:42,670 --> 01:34:48,670
I spoke to a local business person and said, he already spent $1,100 on the front end

1150
01:34:48,670 --> 01:34:49,330
of his vehicle.

1151
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:54,570
He said, I don't know how I'm going to make it through the winter, if the road stays as

1152
01:34:54,570 --> 01:34:55,210
it is.

1153
01:34:55,210 --> 01:34:59,970
I have to have observed that this is a project that

1154
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,020
It is just happening. It has no direction. It has no supervision. People are just doing as they

1155
01:35:08,020 --> 01:35:15,060
damn well, please. I have complained, as Ralph knows, about the lousy patching jobs that they have

1156
01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:23,380
done, some of them created potholes that were worse than what nature had done. The state

1157
01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:29,960
has not been there at all. I've only seen them there once, and the only reason I could

1158
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:36,860
say that they were there is because the vehicle was a state DOT vehicle. Never witnessed

1159
01:35:36,860 --> 01:35:45,040
a person there that was obviously a state inspector. This is our town that's a state road,

1160
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:53,360
but it's our town. We need to do something about that mess. Now, that road is not scheduled

1161
01:35:53,360 --> 01:36:00,680
to be finished until next year, which means that honor about the first of December, they will

1162
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:05,840
stop doing whatever they're doing and won't start up again until the end of much sometime

1163
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:06,500
in April.

1164
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:12,160
We're going to go four or five months through the crack that we're living with right now.

1165
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:20,320
We need to put our foot down and get them to straighten out that road and not leave it

1166
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,840
way it is right now through the winter.

1167
01:36:23,860 --> 01:36:31,460
This is another tax on those of us who live in town that you folks have not given us.

1168
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:37,600
The taxes on us maintaining our own vehicles, the roads are not suitable, our cars get

1169
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,540
inspected to make sure they're suitable, but not the roads.

1170
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,300
You all have a job to do, and I hope you will do it.

1171
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:56,060
Now it's the time to complain about it. Not December January February. Now is the time to complain about it. Thank you very much.

1172
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:11,160
So before I move on, I just want to say that really impressed with the public comment. Very respectful.

1173
01:37:11,940 --> 01:37:15,660
I've been, we've had some meetings have been contentious, there's not been contentious.

1174
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:22,740
I think the public listened to one of those comments, I appreciate that, and certainly

1175
01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:30,700
will weigh heavily in our deliberations, but I really do appreciate the substance and the tone

1176
01:37:31,220 --> 01:37:35,520
of the commentary here tonight, so I want to thank everyone here tonight, thank you.

1177
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:40,380
Most of the items we talked about are going to be later on on agenda.

1178
01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:44,420
We've got to take care of some other business between before then.

1179
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,920
And the first thing is our consent agenda.

1180
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:52,160
All items on the consent agenda are to be considered to be routine by the town council.

1181
01:37:52,940 --> 01:37:54,700
And we'll be enacted way one motion.

1182
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,100
Don't be no separate discussion of these items.

1183
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,800
Or as a council member or citizen, so request.

1184
01:38:00,460 --> 01:38:03,500
And which event that item will be removed from the consent agenda and

1185
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:10,200
it in its normal sequence on the regular agenda. So first I'd like to ask any member of the council

1186
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:17,100
if they want to remove anything from item five through 17. Number 13 and number 14.

1187
01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:27,860
Today we're in the public, we're going to remove anything. Here and then I went into an emotion

1188
01:38:27,860 --> 01:38:32,500
of the proof items 5 through 12 and 15 through 17.

1189
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:33,260
Is that moved?

1190
01:38:34,660 --> 01:38:35,840
All of the data say aye.

1191
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:36,400
Aye.

1192
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:37,280
Any opposed?

1193
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:38,600
The eyes have it.

1194
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:39,300
Mr. McCoy?

1195
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:40,480
The floor is yours.

1196
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:46,920
Because I'm a member of the VFW post 152, I'm going to recuse myself for both of those.

1197
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:48,940
So I'm going to step to the back.

1198
01:38:50,740 --> 01:38:51,820
Any two emotional proof?

1199
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:53,140
So moved.

1200
01:38:54,340 --> 01:38:55,500
All of the data say aye.

1201
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:56,980
Any opposed?

1202
01:38:56,980 --> 01:39:01,000
The eyes have a little bit of reports starting with the talent manager.

1203
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:04,100
Thank you Mr. President.

1204
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,340
So I know we have a busier agenda, but I know I have a busier manager because I'll try

1205
01:39:08,340 --> 01:39:10,160
to fly through this if I can.

1206
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,180
First, regarding school department bond projects, the high school roof replacement

1207
01:39:14,180 --> 01:39:18,500
is part of the capital improvement projects is ongoing and schedule for completion

1208
01:39:18,500 --> 01:39:20,280
prior to the first day of school.

1209
01:39:20,580 --> 01:39:24,320
The school department project team continues to have successful meetings with

1210
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:28,980
with it to the new WIC for NILSchool project, and the town continues having internal

1211
01:39:28,980 --> 01:39:33,380
meetings with the project team in order to assist them in multiple areas relative to the

1212
01:39:33,380 --> 01:39:37,860
NILSchool. There was a meeting of the building advisory committee schedule for this evening,

1213
01:39:38,060 --> 01:39:43,120
but it had to be rescheduled regretfully. So I'll include an update on the upcoming advisory

1214
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:47,560
committee meeting as well as the NILSchool and the capital improvement projects in my next

1215
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:48,300
manager report.

1216
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:53,660
As for the public safety bond projects, we've been very active and

1217
01:39:53,660 --> 01:39:59,980
We're currently regarding the public safety complex bond projects due to the hard work and commitment of members of the team on a

1218
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,380
Recognized form of fire, chiefs got a tell, chief John Ledigree, chief John Irvin, members of the

1219
01:40:05,380 --> 01:40:12,060
team in command staff, our architect, D.B.V.W. Demioconstruction and others, I will let some good news later

1220
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:16,900
rounds report in tonight's agenda. I'll be asking the town council to approve the GMP, which

1221
01:40:16,900 --> 01:40:23,320
the guaranteed maximum price in order to make our August 18 deadline, which will keep the project on schedule,

1222
01:40:23,820 --> 01:40:28,960
which will result in a moving date for the public safety complex of April 2028, and a September

1223
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:33,200
2020-29 move-in-date for the new firehead court is in station one on post-road.

1224
01:40:34,060 --> 01:40:37,640
The preliminary work to the post-road, relating to the post-road, West Main Street

1225
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:42,640
sidewalk project continues, alternating one-way traffic along post-road for the drainage work

1226
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:47,820
necessary for the sidewalk project and then separately, one-way traffic is taking place along

1227
01:40:47,820 --> 01:40:52,640
West Davis Hill Road for curb construction. I continue to keep the public and the town council

1228
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,500
up to date on this longing anticipated and long planned out project.

1229
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,000
The renovation of the municipal office building continues to move forward.

1230
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:05,140
The work is taking shape and is being well received by visitors and employees alike.

1231
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:10,600
There are multiple offices being temporarily relocated within the building, as well as

1232
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,440
two here, and I town hall 80 Boston, that road.

1233
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:18,000
I continue thanks to the employees and the visitors for the understanding and for the work

1234
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:18,900
during the construction.

1235
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:24,660
Just to remind that the municipal office buildings are operated under a summer pilot program,

1236
01:41:24,660 --> 01:41:31,220
this summer until September 4th, you can visit our website to our social media to see our updated hours

1237
01:41:31,220 --> 01:41:38,100
up until September 4th. I'm early this year, we requested through REMA, Rhode Island Emergency

1238
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:43,480
Management Association, to FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Association for reimbursement of

1239
01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:55,600
340,949 dollars of direct expenses relating to the blizzard of 2026 in Rhode Island's major

1240
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:00,680
many states whose request for reimbursement was denied. While this will not have a direct impact

1241
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:06,960
on our fiscal year 2026 budget, or our fiscal year 2027 forecast, because we budget any

1242
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:12,700
unrestricted unused winter storm funds from friarist budgets into restricted account, strictly

1243
01:42:12,700 --> 01:42:17,260
for future storms. We were looking forward to the reimbursement on our replenish this account

1244
01:42:17,260 --> 01:42:21,200
for our winter storms, so we will be working with the Rhode Island League of Citizens towns

1245
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:26,660
as well as Rimmer, a federal delegation, and others to request reconsideration of this denial

1246
01:42:26,660 --> 01:42:28,760
and I'll keep the town council up to date.

1247
01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:33,000
Also, I'm meeting with the Revolution when the relative to the offshore wind farm project

1248
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,040
I now take in place monthly, versus by weekly.

1249
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:40,780
Our last meeting in July had Revolution wind up dead in the town on the continued commissioning

1250
01:42:40,780 --> 01:42:41,500
of the wind farm.

1251
01:42:42,020 --> 01:42:47,480
The removal of the trailers of Camp Aventus site, landscaping taking place at the Camp Aventus site,

1252
01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:52,840
installation of the remaining five offshore wind turbines that in the interconnection now being under

1253
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:57,580
an energy operations and the establishment of new contacts with ever-sourcing the town

1254
01:42:57,580 --> 01:43:02,860
as the project begins transitioning into completion our next monthly meeting with them will take

1255
01:43:02,860 --> 01:43:03,820
place of this Thursday.

1256
01:43:06,330 --> 01:43:10,610
Last month the ACLU of Ryanland published the report analyzing each city

1257
01:43:10,610 --> 01:43:14,810
in town's role in providing access and participation in the public meetings.

1258
01:43:14,810 --> 01:43:18,530
North King's Town Fair did very well on this report as we live stream our meetings.

1259
01:43:19,110 --> 01:43:24,910
We provide archive video of all meetings and we include detailed agenda attachments.

1260
01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:28,770
As well as we provide significant public input, which we saw this evening.

1261
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:33,970
It is my opinion that we are very effective in where somewhat we receive in this report

1262
01:43:33,970 --> 01:43:35,290
in the current procedures.

1263
01:43:36,250 --> 01:43:40,650
Also good energy has informed us that Rhode Island energy has filed that proposed last resort

1264
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:45,430
service rates, winter rates, and the winter rate will increase to a residential rate of $17

1265
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:51,350
dollars in 29 cents per kilowatt hour effective October 1st. The ocean state community

1266
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:59,910
electricity is pricing of $13, 13 dollars in 0.519 cents per kilowatt hour is fixed through

1267
01:43:59,910 --> 01:44:06,890
the end of October. That means that anyone participating in the aggregation program will experience

1268
01:44:06,890 --> 01:44:11,930
savings of approximately three cents per kilowatt hour versus Rhode Island Energy's last

1269
01:44:11,930 --> 01:44:16,070
resort pricing for the month of October. Next, there will be sending out a million this

1270
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:20,370
month so that we customers are aware of the savings and then ocean state community electricity

1271
01:44:20,370 --> 01:44:25,770
will be pricing affected in November 1st for the winter and that will be expected to be finalized

1272
01:44:25,770 --> 01:44:30,930
in shade and September. I'll update the council and the public are relative to those figures

1273
01:44:30,930 --> 01:44:32,770
once this information becomes available.

1274
01:44:36,010 --> 01:44:38,210
As the council is aware and has been reported in the

1275
01:44:38,210 --> 01:44:42,910
local press, the QDC Board of Directors recently approved a workforce housing project with

1276
01:44:42,910 --> 01:44:46,670
the Enquince of Business Park that is different from the original project that was approved

1277
01:44:46,670 --> 01:44:49,150
by the Plain and Commission in 2023.

1278
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:53,630
While the overall unit per acre is still in line with what was approved by the Plain and Commission,

1279
01:44:54,090 --> 01:44:58,190
the total units in the makeup of the units via bedroom size differ from the original

1280
01:44:58,190 --> 01:44:58,710
proposal.

1281
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,480
We discuss this with internal and external legal counsel in a town administration. My administration's opinion is that the current proposal as is would require additional planning commission approval.

1282
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:15,540
While we don't see any significant issue with this because on surface the proposals are very similar.

1283
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:26,040
We have passed this opinion. I have passed this opinion on QDC and we will assist them in putting together a revised request before the planning commission if that is the avenue that they decide to pursue.

1284
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:26,600
To

1285
01:45:30,090 --> 01:45:36,370
comment within the management within this report on the current and as brought up this evening the current clear-cutting and proposed solar project

1286
01:45:36,370 --> 01:45:42,910
Take in place around taking place along route four a burning the residential neighborhoods of fur would drive and maple would drive and others

1287
01:45:42,910 --> 01:45:48,330
This proposed project has had a significant adverse impact on the abutting neighborhoods

1288
01:45:48,330 --> 01:45:53,190
The aesthetics of this area while of life and really increased noise

1289
01:45:53,970 --> 01:45:58,610
In my commentary at the last council meeting I had brought the history of this pride of property in

1290
01:45:58,610 --> 01:46:03,130
In how this project could have been avoided many years ago, if the property was allowed to be

1291
01:46:03,130 --> 01:46:03,950
resumed the residential.

1292
01:46:04,850 --> 01:46:09,390
In no way does that mean that the residents were to blame for this turn of events?

1293
01:46:09,690 --> 01:46:10,910
I want to clarify that.

1294
01:46:11,170 --> 01:46:13,510
This is not a project the abutting residents wanted.

1295
01:46:14,090 --> 01:46:19,030
This is not a project prior or current town council wants and is not a project this time

1296
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:20,170
administration wants.

1297
01:46:20,830 --> 01:46:25,750
Regretfully the town does not have any legal or administrative authority to prevent this project

1298
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:26,590
from moving forward.

1299
01:46:26,590 --> 01:46:32,150
And the developer received all properly property state permitting to click up this property.

1300
01:46:33,110 --> 01:46:38,990
There are, however, some steps that we can are going to attempt to take to protect the residents in this area.

1301
01:46:39,530 --> 01:46:44,750
First, we have aggressively enforce the 70M requirement for heavy machinery to access this property.

1302
01:46:45,810 --> 01:46:53,730
Second, we are working with Rural and DOT, asking them to come up with a noise mitigation plan to address the increased noise within the residential neighborhoods.

1303
01:46:54,250 --> 01:46:58,910
And the town will be willing to contribute to these efforts if that's what it takes.

1304
01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:05,130
And third we will enforce the required buffer zones, I'm sorry, yes, thank you.

1305
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:08,710
And third we will enforce the required buffer zones at all costs.

1306
01:47:10,930 --> 01:47:15,510
I felt this is an important issue in one that we're working on daily to let the public know

1307
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:16,810
on what is going on this evening.

1308
01:47:17,310 --> 01:47:22,530
I also wanted to clarify that at no time does the town feel the residents are to blame for this.

1309
01:47:22,530 --> 01:47:27,090
But the decision was made years ago with good intentions and regretfully those good intentions

1310
01:47:27,090 --> 01:47:28,290
that brought us to this scenario.

1311
01:47:29,810 --> 01:47:31,810
This is not an issue isolated in North Kingston.

1312
01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:36,730
This issue is taking place in cities and towns across Rhode Island and most likely on-nation.

1313
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:41,870
While options to power on needs or the next century are being analyzed by individuals, well

1314
01:47:41,870 --> 01:47:43,030
beyond my expertise.

1315
01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:51,310
Option such as solar, wind, nuclear, oil, it is my opinion that all these options have detrimental

1316
01:47:51,310 --> 01:47:55,110
effects and impacts to our environment and solar is no exception.

1317
01:47:56,390 --> 01:48:00,410
I'll continue to join the town council and fight on behalf of the residents impacted by

1318
01:48:00,410 --> 01:48:04,370
this development and do all we can to lessen the impact of this regretful development.

1319
01:48:04,930 --> 01:48:09,190
I also want to thank those who commented this evening because by commenting you gave us

1320
01:48:09,190 --> 01:48:15,610
some idea to be talking about legal counsel and if this can help us further prevent this

1321
01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:18,830
project, then we will do all we can to work with the council on that.

1322
01:48:22,420 --> 01:48:25,200
Or in other schools, the school's own speed cameras

1323
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:26,920
or the resume operation with the student return

1324
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:29,860
to classrooms on August 31st,

1325
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:32,100
and will be in operations during school days only.

1326
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:34,220
As the town council requested,

1327
01:48:34,780 --> 01:48:36,400
we were rolling out an aggressive information

1328
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,100
and public relations campaign

1329
01:48:38,100 --> 01:48:40,020
regarding the speed cameras starting tomorrow,

1330
01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:42,180
August 18th.

1331
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:43,440
Through a grant the town received

1332
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,160
in the Ryder Research Recovery Corporation,

1333
01:48:45,220 --> 01:48:46,880
this will grant policy program.

1334
01:48:47,660 --> 01:48:49,240
We'll be holding an educational workshop

1335
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:54,340
I'm learning to compost on August 27th at 5 p.m. at a talent hole here at 80

1336
01:48:54,340 --> 01:48:58,700
bus the next road. The first 100 residents will be able to take home their own free composting

1337
01:48:58,700 --> 01:49:03,780
bin and interested residents can pre-register by emailing back in the mind and a playing

1338
01:49:03,780 --> 01:49:09,060
department at blamont at nothkingstownride.gov.

1339
01:49:11,780 --> 01:49:14,140
Early person in voting early in person voting

1340
01:49:14,140 --> 01:49:19,220
for the primary election will begin on municipal office building at 100 fairway drive starting at

1341
01:49:19,220 --> 01:49:25,000
on August 20th of this week, and we'll continue through Tuesday, September 8th at 4 p.m.

1342
01:49:25,700 --> 01:49:31,340
Early voting will be available weekdays during the business hours with the exception of Labor Day, Monday, September 7th.

1343
01:49:31,460 --> 01:49:38,860
Primary days Wednesday, September 9th, and in-person voting will be available at your local polling place from 7 p.m. till 8 p.m.

1344
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:41,740
and you can find your polling place at the Secretary of State's website.

1345
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:50,440
We are excited to announce it will be hosting our third annual Family Day event at Wilson Park on Saturday, August 29th

1346
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:55,240
from noon to 5 p.m. It's a free admission day of fun in community connections that include

1347
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:59,820
rides, inflatable, face painting, a cutting zoo.

1348
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,760
Light Music, Community Boots and Demonstration for our five employees departments in much more. This is not possible without our youth in adult volunteers.

1349
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:16,100
So I encourage anyone to visit our website if you are interested in volunteering for the morning or afternoon shift at Wilson Park.

1350
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:28,270
I'll now provide an update on the quansit related issues. First, I attended the July 21 meeting of the QDC Board of Directors.

1351
01:50:28,270 --> 01:50:35,570
But I'll leave that update to the town's representatives on the board, and who will follow me with an update on the update of their own.

1352
01:50:36,270 --> 01:50:40,170
I met with Quadset Chief Executive Steve King at a monthly standing meeting on July 16.

1353
01:50:40,750 --> 01:50:42,290
These many continue to be productive.

1354
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:44,910
We discussed the continued order complaints.

1355
01:50:45,330 --> 01:50:47,990
And upcoming meeting we have with Bittema's Legal Council.

1356
01:50:48,690 --> 01:50:50,530
QDC has been tracking complaints as well.

1357
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:54,810
We briefly discussed the process issue and the fact that is on hold,

1358
01:50:54,810 --> 01:50:56,990
and what the Legislative Commission's meeting.

1359
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:59,690
We discussed the proposed battery storage facility

1360
01:50:59,690 --> 01:51:01,510
and confirmed that we are both waiting

1361
01:51:01,510 --> 01:51:03,910
to hear from the Energy Facility Sighting Board,

1362
01:51:04,490 --> 01:51:06,090
and Mr. King confirmed that there

1363
01:51:06,090 --> 01:51:08,050
is a second smaller battery storage facility

1364
01:51:08,050 --> 01:51:09,510
playing for quansit business block.

1365
01:51:10,110 --> 01:51:11,770
We updated each other on the ongoing discussion

1366
01:51:11,770 --> 01:51:13,130
between our planning departments,

1367
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:14,810
regarding quansit zoning regulations.

1368
01:51:15,670 --> 01:51:17,710
I provided him with a signed water tower easement,

1369
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:19,730
and we discussed plans to draft an extension

1370
01:51:19,730 --> 01:51:22,550
to the expired Parkwide pilot program.

1371
01:51:23,110 --> 01:51:27,350
Mr. King, then provided me with an update on short term and long term planes to the

1372
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:32,070
park, including the workforce housing project, future tenants and developments, a

1373
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:37,050
wind turbine and a east-grinaged property, the electric boat rail development, a canopy solar

1374
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:41,710
park, and other minor issues, and Mr. King and I will be meeting again this coming Wednesday morning.

1375
01:51:43,700 --> 01:51:47,520
As mentioned, I planed the public and continued conversation with the QDC relative to changing

1376
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,260
and zoning regulations. We are hoping these changes will be on a soon to be future meeting

1377
01:51:51,260 --> 01:51:52,640
the Plain Acropolis Commission.

1378
01:51:54,860 --> 01:51:59,360
We've not received any of the information from EPA relative to the notification we sent

1379
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:03,860
them about intent to file a citizen suit under the Federal Clean Air Act, considering the

1380
01:52:03,860 --> 01:52:09,700
QSS, Biosolids, Parallels of Facility, solicitor James Cowling here tonight with discuss this

1381
01:52:09,700 --> 01:52:13,840
with Desert Hall Browning, our external legal counsel, it will be scheduling a meeting with

1382
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:15,560
them this week to discuss next steps.

1383
01:52:16,060 --> 01:52:20,880
We don't have any news report relating to the battery storage facility, although, as I mentioned,

1384
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:24,980
we are waiting to hear from the Energy Facilities Funding Board in regards to the paralysis

1385
01:52:24,980 --> 01:52:28,440
facility where we are waiting the first meeting of the Legislative Commission.

1386
01:52:30,610 --> 01:52:35,450
In regard to the Ashford or Issue in Bichema, we have a meeting scheduled to Bichema as

1387
01:52:35,450 --> 01:52:40,730
legal counsel tomorrow, August 18, Council President Miancini and Council person Leneia

1388
01:52:40,730 --> 01:52:41,970
Drobe joining us.

1389
01:52:42,210 --> 01:52:46,310
I've been in regular contact with RIDM and the director Mr. Terry Gray.

1390
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:50,510
They have set up an online reporting tool to allow the public through port order complaints

1391
01:52:50,510 --> 01:52:57,610
and as a July 3rd, 23rd during this period, they received 306 reports in total they received over 100 complaints.

1392
01:52:58,810 --> 01:53:06,910
They have visited the area of complaint over 20 times during the hours of 4am to 9am, the current order regulation prohibitive facility from admitting it to the atmosphere,

1393
01:53:07,370 --> 01:53:12,350
any air containment which creates an environmental and objectionable order beyond the property line.

1394
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:19,150
The town received confirmation from RADM and Friday afternoon that the issue that first noticed

1395
01:53:19,150 --> 01:53:24,410
a violation to Bichema and August 12th alleging violation of the Rhode Island's air

1396
01:53:24,410 --> 01:53:25,950
pollution control regulations.

1397
01:53:27,290 --> 01:53:31,170
They determined that the orders were objectionable and strong enough for the inspector

1398
01:53:31,170 --> 01:53:32,610
to feel nauseous.

1399
01:53:32,910 --> 01:53:38,350
Bichema was fined $8,500 and ordered to come up with an order mitigation plan and a separate

1400
01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:43,910
out of the town council's request, I'm invited director Gray and members of his team to attend

1401
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:49,130
a town council public meeting. He has advised he was unavailable this evening, but is looking

1402
01:53:49,130 --> 01:53:53,410
as scheduled for us September and meeting dates. Again, this is a lot of hope this update is

1403
01:53:53,410 --> 01:53:58,830
helpful. We'll have another update in September and that will include my meeting with Mr. King

1404
01:53:58,830 --> 01:54:02,470
that's taking place once they're morning. As always, the council have had any questions I'm

1405
01:54:23,300 --> 01:54:34,120
I don't know how that could be, the housing, I know that there was never any intent to put

1406
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:37,460
housing there, but it was approved by the Planning Commission.

1407
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:40,880
Okay, so we had an agreement but now we don't.

1408
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:44,200
I don't know if any agreement that prohibited housing within QDC.

1409
01:54:44,580 --> 01:54:47,800
If it was, it would be for my time and I would definitely check into that.

1410
01:54:48,220 --> 01:54:53,100
And then can you please tell me what's happening with the DEM, Urban and Community grant program for the Post Road?

1411
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:54,420
Do you have any information on that?

1412
01:54:54,540 --> 01:54:55,460
That is the tree program.

1413
01:54:56,060 --> 01:54:59,700
So we asked to work with them in those trees that we put up.

1414
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:10,000
In conjunction with the sidewalk project. Okay, so that's coming. And then as far as enforcement, you and I have talked about that gas station at the bottom of Stony Lane and what a absolute mess it is.

1415
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,740
Who enforces and are they ever going to enforce?

1416
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:18,440
So we do enforce in, believe it or not, there's nothing right now in violation.

1417
01:55:20,220 --> 01:55:22,060
Of locals only was.

1418
01:55:22,060 --> 01:55:29,820
Um, and this school speed cameras apparently a couple of them are obscured by overgrowth of shrubbery.

1419
01:55:30,860 --> 01:55:35,100
Who died? Yeah, I'm told two different rows. One of them is, um,

1420
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:39,900
Will Street? No. Stony. I don't know. But two two different

1421
01:55:39,900 --> 01:55:45,080
Croats have signs that are obscured by. I will take a look. I can take that all cameras are working.

1422
01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:49,600
Okay. No. I mean, so when you're coming up, you apparently can't see these gigantic,

1423
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:55,900
I think I'll dig those yellow fluorescent signs right because they're obscured by trees now. I mean things grow.

1424
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:57,960
I will take a look. Thank you.

1425
01:55:57,960 --> 01:55:58,780
Is there anything?

1426
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:01,780
No, I do not have anything.

1427
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:03,580
What do you know Matt?

1428
01:56:05,340 --> 01:56:11,020
So Ralph you were talking about the reimbursement for basically the blizzard.

1429
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:15,660
Is there any information about whether the state is going to

1430
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:23,520
through the like the attorney general, try to take any kind of legal action to get the funds that the state need.

1431
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:29,760
So I know the attorney generals of the states that were denied are looking at potential legal action.

1432
01:56:30,340 --> 01:56:35,580
Right, and right now the Rhode Island League of Citizens Council has taken lead on that for us, but we are in contact with them.

1433
01:56:35,940 --> 01:56:45,220
Right. And on the Ocean State Community Electricity, if part of the update that we can get at a future date,

1434
01:56:45,220 --> 01:56:49,540
I would like to know how many people are still enrolled in that program,

1435
01:56:53,110 --> 01:56:54,030
I think I have that.

1436
01:56:59,140 --> 01:57:05,260
And they're going to let us know, so people have these gigantic savings from October 1 to October 31.

1437
01:57:05,980 --> 01:57:08,640
And then they're going to just let people know what they're going to charge.

1438
01:57:09,500 --> 01:57:10,560
Yes, just like Ryan and Energy did.

1439
01:57:10,620 --> 01:57:15,240
So they might get 31 days and then not get it again, like they already aren't.

1440
01:57:15,820 --> 01:57:20,000
In September, they're going to, as Ryan and Energy just announced their winter rates in September,

1441
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,800
or good energy, the analysis they went to rates.

1442
01:57:23,340 --> 01:57:27,020
All right, the next thing is it was brought up earlier

1443
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:29,940
by one of our people during public comment.

1444
01:57:30,980 --> 01:57:34,240
So with regards to the solar project

1445
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:39,340
that's over by Route 403, it sounds like we should entertain

1446
01:57:41,100 --> 01:57:46,280
or initiate action to put in some kind of ordinance

1447
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:55,340
are banned on the use of, I guess, pesticides or round-up or whatever, the appropriate things

1448
01:57:55,340 --> 01:58:03,820
are that they would use to control grass to make sure that we're proactive and not reactive

1449
01:58:03,820 --> 01:58:04,900
in that regard.

1450
01:58:05,500 --> 01:58:08,000
That is one of the, again, I appreciate that commentary.

1451
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,540
That is one of the two things that I wrote down this evening from the commentary.

1452
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:16,160
One is the, I want to take, I want to find out exactly what we can do regarding that.

1453
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:19,940
I wrote a source and then this is the second issue which I like to talk to the solicitor

1454
01:58:19,940 --> 01:58:24,500
about. I'm not sure if there's any grounds for it but it just gave me an idea and if it is

1455
01:58:24,500 --> 01:58:28,260
and if there's grounds for it I'll definitely share it with the town council in the public but

1456
01:58:28,260 --> 01:58:31,340
something where maybe we can take some proactive action.

1457
01:58:31,740 --> 01:58:38,260
All right and then I know that the municipal court adjudicated all the cases associated with

1458
01:58:38,260 --> 01:58:44,320
the school's speed cameras. Yes. So I'm interested in knowing how much money was collected,

1459
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:51,180
And how many of those violators were North Kingstown residents and how many were non-North

1460
01:58:51,180 --> 01:58:52,240
Kingstown residents?

1461
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:57,000
I will get that the chief gave that information at the last meeting.

1462
01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:57,760
I'll give an update.

1463
01:58:57,980 --> 01:59:02,680
If I remember right, well over half of the violators were non-residents.

1464
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:06,580
I think it was 60 something percent on Stony Wayne, but I'll get updated numbers on that.

1465
01:59:06,580 --> 01:59:12,220
So essentially what I'm trying to understand is are the people who live like for instance

1466
01:59:12,220 --> 01:59:18,500
on school street, or are they being hit unfairly here?

1467
01:59:18,820 --> 01:59:22,940
And I can tell you that I will get that information, but our preliminary information shows

1468
01:59:22,940 --> 01:59:26,080
that the great majority of violators are non-residents.

1469
01:59:34,220 --> 01:59:34,580
All right.

1470
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:36,740
I think that's it for now.

1471
01:59:36,980 --> 01:59:37,900
Thank you.

1472
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:45,120
Just want to make comment, I can tell some people talked about the solar bomb, and that's

1473
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:47,700
certainly is a very objectionable project to look at.

1474
01:59:47,700 --> 01:59:55,700
But the zoning history of that is that in 2016, somebody tried to put a solar farm in southern,

1475
01:59:58,280 --> 01:59:59,960
not the king's town in a residence.

1476
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:28,800
Judicial Area. And after the developer purchased the land, the council changed the ordinance. And at the time, they changed the ordinance to try to ban solar projects like that outright throughout the community, but they were told by legal council that you have to have them in one zone, at least one zone. And so the town council chose the narrowest zone, and that is industrial.

1477
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:34,240
And after that decision, there was one in a solar farm,

1478
02:00:34,420 --> 02:00:37,320
an industrial area of a drybridge road.

1479
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:40,020
And most people in the community thought

1480
02:00:40,020 --> 02:00:41,320
that was a good thing.

1481
02:00:41,580 --> 02:00:42,800
It was an industrial area.

1482
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:45,780
This particular piece of property is owned industrial.

1483
02:00:47,140 --> 02:00:49,120
So I don't know if I know there's a request

1484
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:50,400
to change the zoning laws.

1485
02:00:50,580 --> 02:00:54,400
I don't know if based on my recollection of that experience.

1486
02:00:54,900 --> 02:00:56,840
I don't know if we can change the zoning laws

1487
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:59,920
to make it any more narrow for these type of farms.

1488
02:00:59,940 --> 02:01:00,820
It is pretty narrow.

1489
02:01:00,940 --> 02:01:04,720
Having said that, I do like the idea of an ordinance

1490
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:08,560
for pesticides, so that's something creative

1491
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,660
that we can take a look at.

1492
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:15,480
With that, what I'd like to do is move on,

1493
02:01:15,700 --> 02:01:19,080
have the representatives of the QDC board come here.

1494
02:01:19,500 --> 02:01:21,840
And after they come, I'd like to take a five minute break.

1495
02:01:22,620 --> 02:01:24,700
So the representatives of the QDC board,

1496
02:01:24,700 --> 02:01:27,940
I just want to know you're the last people before I break.

1497
02:01:30,510 --> 02:01:31,990
No, no, no pressure at all.

1498
02:01:32,010 --> 02:01:33,410
That is a hit, yes.

1499
02:01:34,070 --> 02:01:34,210
Right.

1500
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:35,210
It's not so bad.

1501
02:01:35,490 --> 02:01:40,050
Forty Stanford Avenue, I'm one of two representatives on the QDC board, the other one being

1502
02:01:40,050 --> 02:01:42,150
Dave Myelik to my left here.

1503
02:01:43,730 --> 02:01:47,050
There's quite a bit that goes on in these meetings, but I think the important things are that

1504
02:01:47,050 --> 02:01:54,390
we've poured on those things that we speak about act on and vote on, and specifically,

1505
02:01:54,390 --> 02:02:02,290
Similarly, we voted on three items, acted on three items, and they were, to ratifying, to

1506
02:02:02,290 --> 02:02:07,470
firm the appointment of Thomas C. Plunkett, a square to the Audit Finance Committee of

1507
02:02:07,470 --> 02:02:11,510
the Board of Directors, and that was passed, I believe it was unanimously.

1508
02:02:12,170 --> 02:02:23,570
The second piece of business was an ethics policy, and this is in keeping with, part of

1509
02:02:23,570 --> 02:02:33,630
was training, so training was done for all directors, all employees, and all officers, and that

1510
02:02:33,630 --> 02:02:40,470
was done in person, 100% compliance, and then after that, in addition, this ethics policy

1511
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:46,830
was passed, this ethics policy follows Rhode Island General Law. This is the state law,

1512
02:02:46,830 --> 02:02:56,070
4-2-4-6, 10-10, that ethics policy for QDC was approved and again I believe that was unanimously

1513
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:57,350
approved.

1514
02:02:57,850 --> 02:03:04,270
And then the last one Ralph had talked about this in his report a little earlier, but it's

1515
02:03:04,270 --> 02:03:12,550
for approval by KTC, with brand properties for 140 workplace housing units in quansit

1516
02:03:12,550 --> 02:03:20,730
on 60 year lease on 6.89 acres. As I think Ralph mentioned, there are two applicants earlier,

1517
02:03:22,170 --> 02:03:28,670
they ducked out and ran properties. Ultimately, they came in with a viable solution.

1518
02:03:29,670 --> 02:03:34,890
40% of the units are designated for workforce housing, which is desperately needed out there.

1519
02:03:35,410 --> 02:03:41,990
As you know, there are 220 sub-businesses in quansit, approximately 15,000 employees that will be

1520
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:45,530
as I understand 18,000 employees by the end of the year.

1521
02:03:46,150 --> 02:03:48,850
Housing is desperately needed for those folks.

1522
02:03:49,310 --> 02:03:51,290
At least 10% of the units will be reserved

1523
02:03:51,290 --> 02:03:53,110
for low and moderate income housing.

1524
02:03:54,770 --> 02:03:57,330
And preference will be given for, of course,

1525
02:03:57,490 --> 02:04:00,450
business part employees, local governments,

1526
02:04:00,650 --> 02:04:02,470
and those within a 25 mile radius.

1527
02:04:04,050 --> 02:04:07,410
Construction will begin in late 2027.

1528
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:18,190
Again, this was approved through back in 2022 with the North Kingston Planning Department and the QDC Board.

1529
02:04:18,730 --> 02:04:26,450
Pilot money, as you know, our taxes have not increased in three years now in large part to a number of things,

1530
02:04:27,250 --> 02:04:29,110
but pilot money from my quansit.

1531
02:04:29,190 --> 02:04:34,370
This will put us over $15 million as I understand it for pilot money from my quansit,

1532
02:04:34,370 --> 02:04:44,070
specifically for this project $270,000 annual in pilot money, that was voted on and approved.

1533
02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:50,190
Other things that go on are of course the Rhode Island Reddy Program,

1534
02:04:52,650 --> 02:04:53,530
and that involves

1535
02:04:53,530 --> 02:04:59,970
that's probably 50 or so, 50 or so businesses throughout the state from.

1536
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,780
A $400 million grant, which helps with technical assistance and pre-permating, which is a beauty of that program.

1537
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:19,260
Good evening, everyone. David Myle, your other representatives to the QDC.

1538
02:05:21,460 --> 02:05:28,980
And my comments will not be as interesting or passionate as those that spoke about the flood cameras and about the pet store.

1539
02:05:28,980 --> 02:05:32,260
really very impressed with the speakers tonight.

1540
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:38,680
So, by the way, this meeting was held July 21st of the QDC Board.

1541
02:05:38,780 --> 02:05:40,020
There was no August meeting.

1542
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:42,780
The August meeting was canceled, so next meetings in September.

1543
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:48,260
I don't want to make a quick comment on the Gateway Housing project that Randy talked about.

1544
02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:52,320
Within the materials that were provided for the board meeting

1545
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,200
was background information on the Gateway Housing project.

1546
02:05:55,200 --> 02:06:08,200
It indicated that the North King's Town Plan and Commission held 4 separate publicly noticed meetings in public hearings on the matter and approve the major variants on May 16, 2023.

1547
02:06:08,860 --> 02:06:12,460
It doesn't say anywhere that it was limited to 120 units.

1548
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:17,460
So when this all came up after the fact that it was news to ram the NI.

1549
02:06:17,940 --> 02:06:22,080
So to me, that's kind of a deficient background information.

1550
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:24,260
I would agree with that.

1551
02:06:24,420 --> 02:06:25,920
Just by point of clarity.

1552
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:29,840
So I was a little upset with that.

1553
02:06:30,500 --> 02:06:32,540
But enough about that.

1554
02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:37,820
As part of the package that we get for our meetings, there's a staff report.

1555
02:06:38,620 --> 02:06:42,180
And part of the staff report includes a rail summary.

1556
02:06:42,740 --> 02:06:44,540
And that's in every report that we get.

1557
02:06:44,860 --> 02:06:50,720
And that is the rail car loads for the month or the previous months before the meeting

1558
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:53,100
for the various businesses and concepts.

1559
02:06:53,820 --> 02:06:55,940
So when I was doing my due to diligence for the meeting,

1560
02:06:56,500 --> 02:06:58,220
I go through the packet very thoroughly.

1561
02:06:58,940 --> 02:07:03,060
I noted that from May, 2026 to June, 2026,

1562
02:07:03,540 --> 02:07:11,440
the number of Bicchumar carloads went from 14 in May to 64 in June.

1563
02:07:12,300 --> 02:07:13,420
So that got my attention.

1564
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:18,500
So at the meeting, I asked Steve King,

1565
02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:27,400
Can this increased activity be attributed to the cause of the increased complaints that we're hearing for residents to me?

1566
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,500
It's pretty simple math.

1567
02:07:30,300 --> 02:07:34,760
Indeed, King's response was up to the time of that meeting, which was July 21.

1568
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:37,040
The complaints were actually down, he said.

1569
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:40,820
There were only 13 complaints and four were from the same resident.

1570
02:07:41,300 --> 02:07:43,760
So he kind of tried to diminish it.

1571
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:53,740
He also offered up that Bichumar has engaged a consulting firm to address the situation and they have lowered the temperatures of the car's untransfer

1572
02:07:53,740 --> 02:07:57,760
and they are deodorizing the car's when emptied.

1573
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:07,080
So that was the response, but clearly the latest action by DEM shows that whatever steps Bichumar is taking are not working.

1574
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:14,220
So, for my standpoint, if bitch-more cannot eliminate this nuisance to the surrounding

1575
02:08:14,220 --> 02:08:17,140
neighborhoods, then they need to be shut down.

1576
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:24,240
Right, can I?

1577
02:08:24,240 --> 02:08:25,400
I will say that.

1578
02:08:26,140 --> 02:08:33,080
I was just going to follow up, because I call it all the correspondence, and I made a specific

1579
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:39,200
note on the number of asphalt complaints for the past five weeks, which is the amount

1580
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:46,200
time since the last meeting. There were quite a bit fewer complaints sent to the council

1581
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:52,800
than the previous five weeks. But before that, it was about the same. So it really

1582
02:08:52,800 --> 02:09:00,160
rose between about early June to early July. That does correlate. Yes, with our numbers.

1583
02:09:01,180 --> 02:09:07,040
And when the governor was here, that's exactly what he said, too, by the way. So one question for

1584
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:10,020
I'm sorry Matt, do you want to come in?

1585
02:09:10,140 --> 02:09:10,680
I do.

1586
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:15,360
So first off, Bichemar never should have been in West Davisville.

1587
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:27,680
The efforts to make the asphalt smell better or smell less in my view or BS.

1588
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:30,420
You're still dealing with asphalt.

1589
02:09:31,260 --> 02:09:35,340
If you go to Bichemar's website and look at the products

1590
02:09:35,340 --> 02:09:42,220
that they're bringing into North Kingston, the products safety data sheets, say that they're

1591
02:09:42,980 --> 02:09:51,100
possible carcinogenic products. So it doesn't matter how great it smells or how less it smells

1592
02:09:51,660 --> 02:09:56,260
if people can still ingest it. That's the health concern.

1593
02:09:58,280 --> 02:09:59,980
So the thing that I'm interested

1594
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:10,660
And with the two of you, is because DEM has now cited the company for a notice violation.

1595
02:10:11,820 --> 02:10:23,400
I'm interested in learning what the terms and conditions are that impact the termination of the lease for a bitchmark at West Davisville.

1596
02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:40,200
So how many more violations, what significant level of violations, I think that we, the town council and the public need to know, you know, first off this shouldn't go on indefinitely, and I was glad that we finally got a report from DEM.

1597
02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:45,720
But I think the $8,500 fine is also insufficient.

1598
02:10:50,720 --> 02:11:01,120
But I think we need to continue to push to terminate their lease and their business over

1599
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:02,080
there at West Davis.

1600
02:11:02,380 --> 02:11:10,360
We would certainly look at the approval that QDC provided for them, but to my understanding

1601
02:11:10,360 --> 02:11:13,060
without looking at it, they have to be in compliance.

1602
02:11:13,580 --> 02:11:16,960
And if they're not, that is grounds for termination of the lease.

1603
02:11:21,580 --> 02:11:30,520
Was your ethics, did your ethics trading and corporate QDCs, statutory obligation to foster

1604
02:11:30,520 --> 02:11:34,480
and maintain an effective working relationship with the host community?

1605
02:11:35,980 --> 02:11:41,380
It did not, but I raised it during the training.

1606
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:46,580
The training was done by QDC's Council Hinkley Allen, and I brought that up as a point

1607
02:11:46,580 --> 02:11:47,260
during the training.

1608
02:11:47,260 --> 02:11:51,960
and what it was their response. It's disappointing, by the way, that didn't mention it, but

1609
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:54,720
what was your response? Dolly noted.

1610
02:11:59,640 --> 02:12:02,260
Any other questions? I think we will set. We'll take a five-minute

1611
02:12:02,260 --> 02:12:02,740
break.

1612
02:12:12,870 --> 02:12:19,710
We're going to start up again. We'll have a lot of items. We want to do them thoroughly. We

1613
02:12:19,710 --> 02:12:30,110
I'm going to start out with a agenda item requested by Council of McCoy on discussion of possible action of flat cameras and both Kingstown.

1614
02:12:31,390 --> 02:12:32,190
Go ahead and still McCoy.

1615
02:12:33,210 --> 02:12:34,670
All right, thank you President Nancy.

1616
02:12:35,810 --> 02:12:43,330
So first off, I'm not going to, I asked for this to be discussed tonight because I'm not going to be here for our next meeting in September.

1617
02:12:43,330 --> 02:12:51,250
I will be in Washington, D.C., and I didn't want to wait until the second meeting in September

1618
02:12:51,250 --> 02:12:52,490
to have this discussion.

1619
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:56,530
I think this is an important issue that needs our attention immediately.

1620
02:12:56,950 --> 02:13:02,970
So, I have some prepared statement that I'd like to read.

1621
02:13:05,930 --> 02:13:11,210
As an elected official of this town, I take the matter of public safety very seriously.

1622
02:13:11,950 --> 02:13:19,870
If you look at my voting record as a member of this town council, I have consistently voted in favor of providing our first responders,

1623
02:13:20,590 --> 02:13:26,550
with all the equipment, resources, and infrastructure that they have requested during my tenure in office.

1624
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:41,000
On October 30th, 2023, I was one of five town council members who voted five to zero to approve the initial one year contract with lock safety for six

1625
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:48,500
flock automated license plate readers. Prior to our meeting, members of the town council were

1626
02:13:48,500 --> 02:13:53,420
provided with a product literature from flock safety that highlighted the benefits of the system

1627
02:13:53,420 --> 02:14:01,200
in cases of amber and silver alerts and other law enforcement cases. During our meeting,

1628
02:14:01,940 --> 02:14:06,940
then acting police chief John Urban and Detective Captain Jeff Seenonch of the North King's

1629
02:14:06,940 --> 02:14:11,820
Sound Police Department gave a short presentation on the flock system.

1630
02:14:14,020 --> 02:14:22,320
The town council members also, who were present at the time, had several questions for the

1631
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:26,500
chief and for detective captains, a nonge.

1632
02:14:27,500 --> 02:14:34,260
And then bottom line is we receive no letters or public comment, written or oral either

1633
02:14:34,260 --> 02:14:37,520
against the use of flock APRs at that meeting.

1634
02:14:40,700 --> 02:14:43,820
Since that time, much has changed in our nation.

1635
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:46,760
Much of it, I find very unsettling.

1636
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:51,840
As a result, America's trust in its government at the federal

1637
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:54,500
state and municipal levels has been diminished.

1638
02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:59,960
America's trust in federal state and local law enforcement has also been

1639
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:08,760
America's trust in the use of systems, like flock, automatic license plate renner, readers, has diminished.

1640
02:15:10,540 --> 02:15:18,060
In the past several years, we have witnessed things in our country that we would never have believed could have happened in the United States.

1641
02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:21,580
I fear that things could get worse in the future.

1642
02:15:24,850 --> 02:15:30,770
Since October 2023, we've had some changes to the membership of the North King's Town Town Council.

1643
02:15:30,770 --> 02:15:38,530
Two of my fellow counselors, Katie Anderson and Larry Mandel, have left the council, two more

1644
02:15:38,530 --> 02:15:42,310
Beth Hill Ross and Linnea Drew were elected to take their places.

1645
02:15:43,570 --> 02:15:49,230
Neither Beth nor Linnea were involved in the initial approval of the initial flock contract

1646
02:15:49,230 --> 02:15:54,830
and will have the opportunity tonight to go on the record about the topic of the use of automated

1647
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:56,010
license plate readers.

1648
02:15:58,820 --> 02:16:01,580
Among the five elected officials seated here tonight,

1649
02:16:01,580 --> 02:16:05,820
I am the only one who has served in the U.S. military.

1650
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:11,160
I am the only one that has held a top secret sensitive compartment

1651
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:13,240
at information security clearance.

1652
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:19,440
I'm the only one who has experienced working on networked intelligence,

1653
02:16:19,780 --> 02:16:23,560
surveillance, reconnaissance, and targeting systems for the U.S. military.

1654
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:29,100
I'm the only one here who has tested and evaluated surveillance systems

1655
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:31,940
used for national defense and homeland security.

1656
02:16:34,380 --> 02:16:37,560
I'm the only one who has worked as a systems engineer

1657
02:16:37,560 --> 02:16:39,900
in an aerospace and defense industry that

1658
02:16:39,900 --> 02:16:43,200
designs and builds integrated surveillance systems.

1659
02:16:44,900 --> 02:16:48,180
Based on my knowledge and experience in these areas,

1660
02:16:49,060 --> 02:16:52,100
in my discussions with legislators, policymakers,

1661
02:16:52,900 --> 02:16:56,340
and our constituents, I have become increasingly

1662
02:16:56,340 --> 02:17:00,300
concerned about the integrated and national surveillance

1663
02:17:00,300 --> 02:17:06,580
network of automated license plate readers that flock safety and other companies are building.

1664
02:17:07,860 --> 02:17:10,060
All in the name of increased public safety.

1665
02:17:12,300 --> 02:17:17,660
While there is no denying the positive use of the system like flock APRs, ALPRs,

1666
02:17:18,560 --> 02:17:24,800
there is also no denying the potential for abuse and misuse of this technology by members of federal

1667
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,620
state and local law enforcement.

1668
02:17:30,210 --> 02:17:32,970
When a well-respected organization like the Americans

1669
02:17:32,970 --> 02:17:40,610
civil liberties union mounts a nationwide campaign against the use of ALPR technology.

1670
02:17:41,330 --> 02:17:42,650
It must be taken seriously.

1671
02:17:44,370 --> 02:17:51,390
Since January 1920, the ACLU has fought to defend and protect the civil liberties of

1672
02:17:51,390 --> 02:17:52,050
all Americans.

1673
02:17:53,550 --> 02:17:59,020
That is why I ask for this matter to be placed on tonight's meeting agenda, and why I'm

1674
02:17:59,020 --> 02:18:02,640
for us as an elected body to act tonight.

1675
02:18:04,740 --> 02:18:07,960
I have listened, heard, and understand the concerns

1676
02:18:07,960 --> 02:18:13,960
of our citizens who have contacted us about this issue, and I look forward to hearing

1677
02:18:13,960 --> 02:18:20,080
your thoughts on this matter. I have a motion to make,

1678
02:18:30,250 --> 02:18:31,790
President Mancini, and members of

1679
02:18:31,790 --> 02:18:36,450
council. I move that the town of North Kingston immediately

1680
02:18:36,450 --> 02:18:41,230
cancels any and all existing contracts with automated license plate

1681
02:18:41,230 --> 02:18:47,870
reader vendors not limited to flock safety and that no new

1682
02:18:47,870 --> 02:18:52,270
contracts for automatic license plate reader systems be entered into by

1683
02:18:52,270 --> 02:19:00,610
the town of North Kingston without the express permission of the

1684
02:19:00,610 --> 02:19:08,290
Automatic license plate readers regardless of make-model or vendor owned and operated by the North Kingstown Police Department

1685
02:19:08,290 --> 02:19:22,590
be immediately disabled and made non-operational and that all installed automatic license plate readers regardless of make-model or vendor owned and operated by the North Kingstown Police Department

1686
02:19:22,590 --> 02:19:30,310
be permanently removed from their installed locations within the town of North Kingstown within 30 days of this motion

1687
02:19:30,310 --> 02:19:37,570
passing, and that all installed automatic license plate readers, regardless of make-model, or vendor,

1688
02:19:37,870 --> 02:19:42,590
owned and operated by the Rhode Island State Police, be permanently removed from their installed

1689
02:19:42,590 --> 02:19:48,210
locations within the town of North Kingston, within 30 days of this motion passing.

1690
02:19:49,790 --> 02:19:54,150
And that the Director of Public Safety for the town of North Kingston, provide the members

1691
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:58,710
of the North Kingston Town Council with a written confirmation that these actions listed

1692
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:59,970
above have been taken.

1693
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:09,740
Take in their entirety and written certification that there are no automatic license plate readers installed and operating within the town of North Kingston.

1694
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:12,420
Do I have a second?

1695
02:20:12,660 --> 02:20:13,040
Second?

1696
02:20:19,390 --> 02:20:21,610
Okay. Discussion?

1697
02:20:22,770 --> 02:20:26,670
So I'd like to start the discussion by saying, I think.

1698
02:20:27,410 --> 02:20:29,570
Okay. Well, let me just amplify.

1699
02:20:29,570 --> 02:20:39,550
so I don't recommend this motion lightly. It's not just based on the one hand out that we got from

1700
02:20:39,550 --> 02:20:49,230
chief urban. It's not just based on a few Facebook posts. I have read both of the letters from the ACLU that

1701
02:20:49,230 --> 02:20:56,160
were sent to us. I've read the letters that the ACLU has sent to other municipalities. I've read the

1702
02:20:56,160 --> 02:21:03,040
testimony that ACLU has provided to both the Senate and the House Judiciary Committee,

1703
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:13,000
with regards to the three bills that were presented in 2 in 2026 and 1 in 2022.

1704
02:21:15,480 --> 02:21:17,880
I have read the technical data.

1705
02:21:17,880 --> 02:21:26,780
I have looked at the general orders for the North Kingstown town police.

1706
02:21:27,500 --> 02:21:32,380
I have looked at the internal affairs reports for the North Kingstown police.

1707
02:21:33,020 --> 02:21:40,100
I have read the testimony of other entities such as MSD International,

1708
02:21:40,100 --> 02:21:46,920
Planned Parenthood of Southern New England, Rhode Island Coalition Against Domestic Violence,

1709
02:21:47,620 --> 02:21:56,620
Rhode Island Coalition for Reproductive Freedom, and so collectively based on my knowledge and

1710
02:21:56,620 --> 02:22:04,160
experience of these types of systems, how they can be networked, integrated, cyber vulnerabilities,

1711
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:09,980
these, many of the things that we're discussed by people who gave public comment today.

1712
02:22:11,220 --> 02:22:19,220
That is why I am in support of my motion and recommend that we pass it this evening.

1713
02:22:20,920 --> 02:22:21,920
Does anyone else have any comments?

1714
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:23,520
Yes.

1715
02:22:25,060 --> 02:22:33,840
So Matt, I was sort of thinking after hearing everybody speak tonight, I can understand as to why

1716
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:38,900
you and I can understand why we want to have a

1717
02:22:38,900 --> 02:22:41,580
stoppage of this right now until we further look into this.

1718
02:22:41,900 --> 02:22:45,620
I realize that your motion states that you want to get rid of them all together.

1719
02:22:46,260 --> 02:22:49,960
I do think that we have people who we appoint

1720
02:22:49,960 --> 02:22:53,600
who are heads of offices that it would be good to

1721
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:56,960
basically say to them and we respect what you have to say

1722
02:22:56,960 --> 02:22:59,700
and therefore we want to hear it before we take a motion.

1723
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:02,360
And so I would like to hear from the chief.

1724
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:06,840
even if I have decided after hearing everyone that I'm not going on with any more

1725
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:11,380
flock cameras, I still think we ought to give him the respect to say, hey, we want to

1726
02:23:11,380 --> 02:23:14,500
hear your side of this before we terminate it all together.

1727
02:23:15,260 --> 02:23:20,920
And so I'm okay with saying here tonight, we're going to suspend the use of them now.

1728
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:24,640
And I know you're not going to be at the next meeting, but we could easily say,

1729
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:30,060
and we'll suspend this until September 28th meeting, at which time if you're going to be

1730
02:23:30,060 --> 02:23:42,280
October. He's going for the September he's going for the September he's going to be going on the first meeting. We could have it at the second meeting and then it would be the sort of thing of not only

1731
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:56,120
You know, it's it's this sort of thing we stop it for now and then but we don't necessarily cancel the contract into after we hear from the chief because I do think like I said he is our person who is in charge of public enforcement

1732
02:23:56,120 --> 02:24:03,720
We approved this a number of years ago based on his recommendation now it did go for more than the year that we originally allowed it

1733
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:10,660
So I'm not going to sit here and I'm not saying that I will support the flock cameras after hearing everyone tonight

1734
02:24:10,660 --> 02:24:18,280
But I think we should listen to our person who is in charge of public safety before we totally terminate this without any input from them

1735
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:21,960
And that's I think the key thing here is I want his input and

1736
02:24:21,960 --> 02:24:23,880
I'm going to change my mind.

1737
02:24:24,420 --> 02:24:32,660
So I would counter with the fact that the chief has given his input in a op-ed or LTE that was published in the local paper.

1738
02:24:33,980 --> 02:24:45,240
I respect Chief Urban and I'm usually in agreement with you as far as we pick good people and let them do their jobs, right?

1739
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:51,440
But this is a case where they recommended a system to us.

1740
02:24:52,280 --> 02:24:56,460
We did not have a vigorous debate about protecting civil liberties.

1741
02:24:58,740 --> 02:24:59,780
We were not informed.

1742
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,320
The contract was renewed.

1743
02:25:04,980 --> 02:25:12,400
The other piece that happened here in our town is that the North

1744
02:25:12,400 --> 02:25:18,900
King's town police have also acquired a drone system without coming to us for our permission

1745
02:25:18,900 --> 02:25:28,040
to buy that. So I think that, you know, I respect the chief, I respect the police department

1746
02:25:28,040 --> 02:25:36,260
And like I said in my comments earlier, we have work very hard to give them the tools they need to perform their law enforcement functions.

1747
02:25:36,680 --> 02:25:47,700
And I doubt very seriously that the chief is going to come to you with anything but disagreement on getting rid of this.

1748
02:25:47,700 --> 02:26:07,060
So, let me comment, first of all, initially I did look into the civility challenges of this legislation, or ordinance, or contract, I should say, and the ACLU had it opportunity to weigh in in 2023, I expressly made them aware they chose not to.

1749
02:26:07,060 --> 02:26:09,540
Tonight, we finish, please.

1750
02:26:10,600 --> 02:26:17,160
Tonight, I asked the representative of the ACLU if there were certain conditions in which

1751
02:26:17,160 --> 02:26:26,400
they would accept the flock cameras and they said yes, and it's based on the legislation that they had submitted.

1752
02:26:26,920 --> 02:26:35,760
So my question, the chief would be, can we work out a compromise with the ACLU standards?

1753
02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:42,540
that would be acceptable to law enforcement. I don't know the answer to that. And I'm

1754
02:26:42,540 --> 02:26:46,000
not going to get the answer to that. Right. So can I comment on that?

1755
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:48,560
So, you know,

1756
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:50,160
per my earlier statement,

1757
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:57,440
my concerns are not primarily with the North King's town police

1758
02:26:57,440 --> 02:27:03,140
department, right? They have a general order that talks about how the system is supposed

1759
02:27:03,140 --> 02:27:03,960
to be used.

1760
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:11,500
They have an audit program. Okay. The police department has provided us with copies

1761
02:27:11,500 --> 02:27:16,980
of the audits. I believe there is three or four of them. I have reviewed those. I have also

1762
02:27:16,980 --> 02:27:23,580
reviewed the internal fares reports for every year, which are posted on the North Kingston Police

1763
02:27:23,580 --> 02:27:30,860
Department website, which indicates that as much as we like all the members of our police

1764
02:27:30,860 --> 02:27:36,200
Department, there are cases where sometimes people in the department don't follow the rules.

1765
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:49,760
So I'm more concerned about the fact that the data from these systems are put into

1766
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:57,280
a network, whether it's a statewide network, a national network, that the question was brought

1767
02:27:57,280 --> 02:28:00,260
up earlier about who's looking at the data, right?

1768
02:28:00,260 --> 02:28:09,320
We may have a local policy that says we don't allow ice to look at our data, okay, but that doesn't mean that ice isn't looking at our data, okay?

1769
02:28:09,440 --> 02:28:12,560
The technology exists for them to do that.

1770
02:28:13,740 --> 02:28:16,140
And so, you know, that's not conspiracy theory.

1771
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:21,200
We had a couple software engineers here and other people talked to those kind of things earlier.

1772
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:34,320
So, from a civil liberties perspective I think that the best course of action, the best policy is for us to terminate our contract.

1773
02:28:34,840 --> 02:28:40,320
Yeah, I don't think the ACLU would sign off on a piece of legislation that's going to allow any communities.

1774
02:28:40,540 --> 02:28:44,680
Well, we have their rep right here sitting in the back, so we can ask them.

1775
02:28:45,580 --> 02:28:49,160
And we're in deliberations now, so I'm not going to ask.

1776
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:52,980
What is things we need to be thinking about is not only that the message that we

1777
02:28:52,980 --> 02:28:57,680
send to our constituents in that they're saying, hey, we don't want our civil liberties

1778
02:28:57,680 --> 02:28:58,060
violate.

1779
02:28:58,340 --> 02:29:03,140
But what sort of message do we also send to our police officers in that, you know, if we just

1780
02:29:03,140 --> 02:29:06,780
say we're cutting you off, we're not doing anything, but we don't tell them what they can

1781
02:29:06,780 --> 02:29:07,420
do.

1782
02:29:07,740 --> 02:29:08,680
You know, it's a sort of thing.

1783
02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:13,620
We need to have by having something that comes from the ACLU, we can say, this is what

1784
02:29:13,620 --> 02:29:15,940
You can't do, but this is what you can do.

1785
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:17,160
It's both ways.

1786
02:29:17,320 --> 02:29:20,380
We want to make sure that not only do our citizens

1787
02:29:20,380 --> 02:29:22,000
understand we're protecting them,

1788
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:24,220
but also that the police know where does that

1789
02:29:24,220 --> 02:29:26,460
how much does that protection go?

1790
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:28,460
And that's another reason why I would say,

1791
02:29:28,660 --> 02:29:31,480
if we wait until the 28th,

1792
02:29:31,480 --> 02:29:33,420
when our second meeting is in September,

1793
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:35,240
we can get better clarification.

1794
02:29:35,580 --> 02:29:37,620
Like I said, I have no problems with voting tonight

1795
02:29:37,620 --> 02:29:39,840
to say we're stopping the fall cameras

1796
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:42,080
until we come back on the 28th.

1797
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:47,400
And then in the 28th, more information, more things to be making sure that we're protecting

1798
02:29:47,400 --> 02:29:53,100
our citizens, but also to understand what the police know are the boundaries in terms

1799
02:29:53,100 --> 02:29:53,760
of surveillance.

1800
02:29:54,660 --> 02:29:55,300
Right.

1801
02:29:55,300 --> 02:29:55,820
I think.

1802
02:29:56,300 --> 02:29:56,600
Good.

1803
02:29:56,600 --> 02:29:59,980
So I think in my mind there's

1804
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,900
Three issues, none of which are refutable by the chief and two of which are not constrained to the town of North King's town.

1805
02:30:08,940 --> 02:30:17,320
So I think the tenant of First UNO harm applies here, which is explicitly not a law enforcement tenant. It's a healthcare one, but we're not law enforcement officers.

1806
02:30:18,340 --> 02:30:25,360
And these tools and they are tools. They have the potential for great harm to innocent people.

1807
02:30:25,360 --> 02:30:32,700
And yes, they're effective, that I don't think anyone up here would refute that excuse me.

1808
02:30:33,160 --> 02:30:40,060
They are effective, but there's a cost and the cost is potentially and demonstrably innocent people.

1809
02:30:41,900 --> 02:30:48,760
And in a, you know, in a post by the police department, they mentioned that these are tools that the police department can use it,

1810
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:53,840
not replace good old fashion police work, so I think what they can do is, you know, what

1811
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:59,440
they referred to as good old fashion police work and not use tools that can harm people.

1812
02:31:00,300 --> 02:31:06,140
The second is about community trust in a previous issue that came up over the winter that

1813
02:31:06,140 --> 02:31:08,220
was that involved the police department.

1814
02:31:10,380 --> 02:31:15,100
You know, the chief talked a lot about their priority

1815
02:31:15,100 --> 02:31:22,320
being that the community trusts in the police enough that they'll go to them with a problem,

1816
02:31:22,500 --> 02:31:29,620
a concern, a crime, whatever. And what I think we're hearing from the residents is that

1817
02:31:29,620 --> 02:31:36,380
this erodes their trust. And that is, according to the chief, really important to the department,

1818
02:31:36,440 --> 02:31:42,820
and I believe that. And so I don't think that we should continue a practice that erodes the trust

1819
02:31:42,820 --> 02:31:49,620
the community in our law enforcement. And the third is that, you know, some of the arguments

1820
02:31:49,620 --> 02:31:54,260
are that we're already being tracked, so what's one other thing, right? But that's something that

1821
02:31:54,260 --> 02:31:58,720
we're opting in. You don't have to have a cell phone. I mean, probably makes you laugh a lot harder,

1822
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:04,380
but that is a personal choice. I don't think that the town of North King's town should be

1823
02:32:04,380 --> 02:32:13,020
party to surveillance that is operated by a for-profit company that's bound to its profits

1824
02:32:13,020 --> 02:32:16,240
and its shareholders and not to the people.

1825
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:20,420
So I would like to see the contract terminated.

1826
02:32:21,480 --> 02:32:21,680
Okay.

1827
02:32:21,740 --> 02:32:23,540
Why don't we take a roll, call a Madam Clerk?

1828
02:32:34,810 --> 02:32:41,130
Mr. Mancene, Leanna Drew, Elizabeth O'Wass, Kimberly Ampage, Matthew B. McCoy.

1829
02:32:41,870 --> 02:32:44,890
Why don't you call the roll by each one individually?

1830
02:32:44,890 --> 02:32:49,590
so they can vote for the public. So I'll have to start with Leneia.

1831
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:54,510
Lene Andrew, I vote yes on this motion. Matthew McCoy.

1832
02:32:56,530 --> 02:32:57,170
Greg Manzini.

1833
02:32:58,290 --> 02:32:59,630
I vote no.

1834
02:33:00,210 --> 02:33:01,550
Matthew Ross, yes.

1835
02:33:02,290 --> 02:33:02,870
And Tim Page.

1836
02:33:07,880 --> 02:33:08,680
Oh, it's past.

1837
02:33:10,300 --> 02:33:12,000
It's a terminated realm.

1838
02:33:12,180 --> 02:33:12,860
Terminated the country.

1839
02:33:23,860 --> 02:33:33,940
I think it's an issue of due process for our, I think, Kim, you listed it very well, so I don't think it's a matter of, this is an issue of flux, I think it's a matter of process.

1840
02:33:34,740 --> 02:33:38,940
Yeah, it's, like I said, I don't like these cameras, but I don't need that.

1841
02:33:39,420 --> 02:33:42,900
It is the sort of thing we could, we could make for it.

1842
02:33:42,900 --> 02:33:44,040
And she's me,

1843
02:33:46,700 --> 02:33:58,460
I think that for our department, our police department, police department serves our people.

1844
02:34:01,490 --> 02:34:02,090
We're going to move on.

1845
02:34:02,110 --> 02:34:04,790
We're going to move on.

1846
02:34:05,330 --> 02:34:10,190
Update, the numerous complaints received from the town left king's town in D.E.M.

1847
02:34:10,370 --> 02:34:12,650
On the unacceptable asphalt smell.

1848
02:34:12,650 --> 02:34:18,170
I think Ralph, you kind of covered that, but I still want to put on the agenda.

1849
02:34:18,930 --> 02:34:23,830
I think that that has resulted in getting the governor here.

1850
02:34:24,110 --> 02:34:28,210
There's resulted in DM doing extra off-hours inspections,

1851
02:34:29,330 --> 02:34:33,410
and also has resulted in a meeting that we will have with him tomorrow.

1852
02:34:35,350 --> 02:34:39,610
So I don't have much to add other than where you said,

1853
02:34:39,610 --> 02:34:48,590
We'll have a meeting tomorrow and we'll see if we can resolve this and they can eradicate their challenges or their problems.

1854
02:34:49,770 --> 02:34:51,550
I have a comment on this.

1855
02:34:52,690 --> 02:34:54,630
So we have a request.

1856
02:34:56,650 --> 02:34:59,210
I mean it's great that they've issued a notice violation.

1857
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:13,780
But we have requested from them information about their investigation of all the specific dates that people said that they smelled asphalt.

1858
02:35:15,500 --> 02:35:24,800
We've requested information on how they have conducted their measurements, short of just somebody, this smells bad.

1859
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:34,500
We've requested the qualitative quantitative data that they're using, and initially I was told

1860
02:35:34,500 --> 02:35:38,980
that we couldn't have this because the investigation was still ongoing.

1861
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:54,780
Now that they've issued a notice of violation, I believe that the EM should respond to the

1862
02:35:54,780 --> 02:36:02,040
about what they tested for, what the standard was and how close their observations came to

1863
02:36:02,040 --> 02:36:03,760
meeting or exceeding those standards.

1864
02:36:07,320 --> 02:36:11,900
Okay, and I would ask that get brought up at tomorrow's meeting.

1865
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:20,300
With DEM will not be at tomorrow's meeting. Yeah, all right. Well, whenever you communicate with

1866
02:36:20,300 --> 02:36:21,000
them next,

1867
02:36:23,310 --> 02:36:26,730
and when with that for your L-F-E-Think, I'd be communicating in tomorrow. I'd

1868
02:36:26,730 --> 02:36:31,010
this information, but they've been very clear that the investigation is ongoing and so they're

1869
02:36:31,010 --> 02:36:34,650
not going to share that data. The fact that the given notice of violation does not mean

1870
02:36:34,650 --> 02:36:41,850
their investigation has ceased. So I have asked. Okay, but a little bit. Roger that, but like

1871
02:36:41,850 --> 02:36:49,130
certain elements that like silver instance, a listing of what they're would measure for and what

1872
02:36:49,130 --> 02:36:54,370
this standards are for those things. So, you know, looking at the products, safety data sheets

1873
02:36:54,370 --> 02:36:58,230
for asphalt, you should have certain chemical compositions

1874
02:36:58,230 --> 02:37:00,070
that they would be testing for.

1875
02:37:01,010 --> 02:37:04,990
So there are process of how they test for that.

1876
02:37:05,070 --> 02:37:09,290
The standards that they're testing for should not be impactful

1877
02:37:09,290 --> 02:37:10,630
on the investigation.

1878
02:37:11,490 --> 02:37:12,750
I'm not saying I disagree.

1879
02:37:12,810 --> 02:37:14,650
I'm saying that we have asked three times

1880
02:37:14,650 --> 02:37:16,970
and we have not received the information.

1881
02:37:18,090 --> 02:37:22,810
OK, well, does it take individuals to submit

1882
02:37:24,230 --> 02:37:28,030
I don't know if there would be, I think there'd probably be an

1883
02:37:28,030 --> 02:37:30,710
example from an upper request because I'm going to investigation.

1884
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:32,650
That's just my take.

1885
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:34,630
Something I will talk to this listener about.

1886
02:37:34,750 --> 02:37:38,730
And if it's, he feels that it's an applicable request when more than

1887
02:37:38,730 --> 02:37:41,110
happy to the town can do that work.

1888
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:41,830
That's what we're here for.

1889
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:43,570
I will submit the upper on behalf of the council.

1890
02:37:44,150 --> 02:37:44,610
I just don't know.

1891
02:37:44,730 --> 02:37:45,610
I'll let you know the responses.

1892
02:37:46,770 --> 02:37:47,490
Thank you.

1893
02:37:50,270 --> 02:37:56,610
All right, and then next is new business, authorization of the time is signed a contract with

1894
02:37:56,610 --> 02:38:03,270
Dimeo, authorizing and noted to proceed with the construction with a GMP gross maximum price

1895
02:38:03,270 --> 02:38:09,930
not to exceed 53 million, what 615,975,000 dollars for the construction of the public safety

1896
02:38:09,930 --> 02:38:14,590
complex, and station one, and I am going to recuse myself, Kim.

1897
02:38:14,810 --> 02:38:15,290
Thank you.

1898
02:38:15,550 --> 02:38:15,810
All right.

1899
02:38:15,810 --> 02:38:18,230
So to you step away, do

1900
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:25,690
you have anything you want to say about this?

1901
02:38:25,710 --> 02:38:27,930
Definitely, I've spent a couple of minutes on this, but I'll be quick.

1902
02:38:28,050 --> 02:38:31,470
So first, I want to thank the Council for their support and direction at the last meeting.

1903
02:38:31,790 --> 02:38:37,810
I provided a world of information, a very lengthy analysis as to where we stood and you gave some clear direction.

1904
02:38:37,950 --> 02:38:39,190
I do appreciate that.

1905
02:38:39,610 --> 02:38:43,650
I also want to acknowledge as I did early in the manager report, the work of the team,

1906
02:38:43,850 --> 02:38:46,950
a former fighter, chiefs, got to tell chief John Littercree, chief John Irvin,

1907
02:38:46,950 --> 02:38:52,910
members of the Command staff, our architect, our general contractor, a lot of work went into making

1908
02:38:52,910 --> 02:38:57,630
sure that we brought this figure down to a level which we could afford here in North Kingstown.

1909
02:38:58,190 --> 02:39:03,910
At the last meeting, I advised the council that our preliminary GMP came in at 55.9 million.

1910
02:39:04,590 --> 02:39:09,050
When I combined that with the soft course, the technology caused the cost of dispatch,

1911
02:39:09,610 --> 02:39:16,490
site landscaping, architectural fees, contingencies. The total cost was 69,699,899.

1912
02:39:16,970 --> 02:39:19,410
something that was much greater than we had funding for,

1913
02:39:19,550 --> 02:39:21,570
although I really appreciate the council's commitment to the same

1914
02:39:21,570 --> 02:39:23,090
we're going to move forward in this project.

1915
02:39:23,730 --> 02:39:27,250
As a result of concessions about the internal group and work with DBVW,

1916
02:39:27,630 --> 02:39:31,410
with Demio, the GMP figure that you have before you,

1917
02:39:31,410 --> 02:39:35,750
of 53,615,975, is significantly less than the

1918
02:39:35,750 --> 02:39:39,510
almost 56 million GMP because of the work of this team,

1919
02:39:39,910 --> 02:39:42,190
and that brings the pride, and there were additional

1920
02:39:42,690 --> 02:39:46,170
cuts in the soft course, which brings the project total right now

1921
02:39:46,170 --> 02:39:49,270
of $64,923,125.

1922
02:39:50,130 --> 02:39:53,210
As I mentioned in the Council, we're looking for some outside funding.

1923
02:39:53,890 --> 02:39:59,970
$500,000 from our technology fund for the IT upgrades that would have taken place even if we didn't...

1924
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:04,720
Not have this because our talent's primary server is located at the public safety complex.

1925
02:40:05,580 --> 02:40:11,520
$360,000 from a safe streets grant funding for the traffic warning signal that is going to coincide with the new station.

1926
02:40:12,660 --> 02:40:18,960
$861,000 from restricted bond proceeds, which I'll be coming back to the council for final approval.

1927
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:24,220
And this will avoid some arbitrage penalties from the IRS. This is a bond that was approved years ago.

1928
02:40:24,220 --> 02:40:29,420
and then a whole four one million dollar federal grant for EOC equipment should we get all that

1929
02:40:29,420 --> 02:40:34,300
that brings the total number to 62.2 million. We're approved for 60 million out of bond.

1930
02:40:34,740 --> 02:40:39,240
At some point, I would have come to the council and asked for approval to use fund balance.

1931
02:40:39,700 --> 02:40:46,660
Of a minimum of 2.2 million, but less than, but maximum of 3.2 should we not get that federal grant.

1932
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:50,740
This evening though, you just have a simple, simple request on my pardon. That is,

1933
02:40:50,740 --> 02:40:54,920
for us to be I wanted to give you that total number because it wouldn't be for you to ask

1934
02:40:54,920 --> 02:41:00,180
you for approval of 53.6, not knowing where we're going to get the rest of the money from.

1935
02:41:00,500 --> 02:41:05,060
So I wanted to give you an analysis of everything else that's taking place but tonight based

1936
02:41:05,060 --> 02:41:11,320
on these new numbers, I'm asking for approval to sign the amended A1A133 exhibit.

1937
02:41:11,580 --> 02:41:18,760
With Demio, we've provides a GMP of 63.6 million, which allows them to proceed at tomorrow

1938
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:23,200
August 18th, which will allow them to start the work in September and keep us on schedule.

1939
02:41:23,740 --> 02:41:27,720
Happy to answer any questions, but again, thank you for your assistance last meeting.

1940
02:41:28,420 --> 02:41:31,940
And I think this turned out much better than I expected.

1941
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:36,320
I think that's a really amazing job to you and the Chiefs.

1942
02:41:36,340 --> 02:41:37,760
I think really to be commended.

1943
02:41:37,940 --> 02:41:39,760
I'll pass that on. Thank you.

1944
02:41:40,140 --> 02:41:41,040
Do we have a motion?

1945
02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:42,440
I'll make the motion.

1946
02:41:42,920 --> 02:41:43,140
Second.

1947
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:46,120
Is there any further discussion or comment?

1948
02:41:46,720 --> 02:41:49,720
All right. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

1949
02:41:50,100 --> 02:41:52,860
Those opposed, none posed. Greg, you can come back to the table.

1950
02:42:02,300 --> 02:42:07,280
Next is item 23. Discussion of amendments to chapter three, the court of ordinances.

1951
02:42:08,280 --> 02:42:12,980
Title animals. Do you want to take it away, Mr. Townsville this summer or a town manager?

1952
02:42:15,540 --> 02:42:17,860
Thanks, Greg. Just for a little background.

1953
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:23,060
As everyone knows, there's been a fair amount of discussion online in the town hall.

1954
02:42:23,060 --> 02:42:27,680
regarding the status of puppies for sale at pet stores in North Kingston.

1955
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:36,620
In response to those complaints, both the town officials and the DM have visited the Establishen on Post Road, the proprietors here tonight.

1956
02:42:38,540 --> 02:42:42,360
And on that note, there are two regulatory authorities in this space.

1957
02:42:42,840 --> 02:42:46,480
First, DM controls and regulates pet stores and pet sales.

1958
02:42:47,060 --> 02:42:49,360
And two, the town controls its zoning regulations.

1959
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:56,580
I'm at first note, I don't know what the gentleman's name, but he stated, and he's correct

1960
02:42:56,580 --> 02:43:02,840
D.M. has conducted at least two separate unannounced inspections of the post-rode site based

1961
02:43:02,840 --> 02:43:03,800
on numerous complaints.

1962
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:07,000
I think they received 50 or 60 up in Providence.

1963
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:12,700
The unannounced inspections took place on July 16, 2026 and August 3rd, 2026.

1964
02:43:13,580 --> 02:43:18,860
And as he stated, in both inspections, they found the puppies on site healthy or the

1965
02:43:20,000 --> 02:43:25,120
Additionally, the animals had proper ventilation and had access to water at all times.

1966
02:43:27,500 --> 02:43:33,060
So on both instances, DM officials found there were no violation of any DM regulations

1967
02:43:33,060 --> 02:43:34,920
related to pet stores and pet sales.

1968
02:43:37,540 --> 02:43:45,420
So with that said, as Ralph noted earlier, there is regulatory power the town has in the zoning ordinance.

1969
02:43:45,420 --> 02:44:01,780
And based on the fact that Pet Store is basically over-nighting animals, the building official did issue a notice of violation as Ralph indicated there is some dispute whether the town was aware that the animals would be over-nighted at that site.

1970
02:44:02,860 --> 02:44:10,960
Per the zoning ordinance, the keeping and boarding of dogs for sale meets the definition of a candle.

1971
02:44:12,620 --> 02:44:17,500
And to operate that kind of business requires a special use permit, which they don't have,

1972
02:44:17,640 --> 02:44:21,200
and maybe they weren't asked to get that, but again, there was some miscommunication

1973
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:23,000
as to what was going on there.

1974
02:44:23,880 --> 02:44:27,980
So at this point, the NOV, the notice of isolation has been issued to the proprietor.

1975
02:44:28,480 --> 02:44:34,180
The legal process is underway, and once we have more clarity on where that goes with his

1976
02:44:34,180 --> 02:44:37,180
attorney, we will update the council and the public.

1977
02:44:38,260 --> 02:44:43,520
But in the interim, please know that the town officials and DM will ensure the health and safety

1978
02:44:43,520 --> 02:44:45,500
the animals on site as best we can.

1979
02:44:46,120 --> 02:44:51,560
The town, animal control officers involved, DM is involved, solicitors are involved, Ralph is

1980
02:44:51,560 --> 02:44:51,940
involved.

1981
02:44:53,100 --> 02:44:57,660
So, we hope to resolve this and the best chance of all parties going forward as soon as possible.

1982
02:45:03,140 --> 02:45:12,020
And some people concerned about living or trying to eliminate all of these types of stories.

1983
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:17,980
That was mentioned, whether we could somehow eliminate the grandfather rights of this establishment.

1984
02:45:18,540 --> 02:45:22,020
That would be extremely difficult to deal on a legal standpoint.

1985
02:45:23,100 --> 02:45:25,740
So, as your opinion, legally, we can do it or we cannot do it.

1986
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:30,220
Well, somebody who can still pass the ordinance, I'm sorry Beth, go ahead.

1987
02:45:30,520 --> 02:45:33,300
And that's what, that should happen in West, well, too, correct?

1988
02:45:33,660 --> 02:45:38,360
It's a, um, the server was talking about, and I, it's those doors still in effect, but once

1989
02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:42,920
they close, go out of business, retire, that would be eliminated.

1990
02:45:43,940 --> 02:45:44,180
Okay.

1991
02:45:44,860 --> 02:45:45,040
All right.

1992
02:45:45,180 --> 02:45:45,620
Can you, yeah.

1993
02:45:46,200 --> 02:45:46,360
I,

1994
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:51,860
can you go in, would you speak in the microphone?

1995
02:45:52,040 --> 02:45:52,880
I'm really sure.

1996
02:45:53,700 --> 02:45:54,280
This is important.

1997
02:45:56,600 --> 02:45:59,400
I'm so, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know any of things about this, but I just want to

1998
02:45:59,400 --> 02:46:07,690
I'm sure that you've looked into the East Providence case that I believe was made it to federal

1999
02:46:07,690 --> 02:46:08,490
court.

2000
02:46:08,710 --> 02:46:09,770
I'd you mentioned that tonight.

2001
02:46:09,850 --> 02:46:10,650
I'll have to check on that.

2002
02:46:10,910 --> 02:46:12,210
Thank you.

2003
02:46:12,510 --> 02:46:16,310
Can I also say that we're not talking about him as a pet store owner.

2004
02:46:16,390 --> 02:46:23,750
We're talking about very poorly bread animals, bread and bread and bread and bread and bread

2005
02:46:23,750 --> 02:46:24,210
again.

2006
02:46:24,650 --> 02:46:27,110
These dogs are tortured, they're neglected.

2007
02:46:27,110 --> 02:46:33,270
I got four kittens from a farm in West thumb and I feel over the course of 10 years.

2008
02:46:33,650 --> 02:46:36,290
All bread back to the same females, father, son, whatever.

2009
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:38,790
Not one of them made it past five years.

2010
02:46:40,510 --> 02:46:42,810
So these animals are not quality animals.

2011
02:46:43,210 --> 02:46:44,090
You're hurting the town.

2012
02:46:44,370 --> 02:46:45,810
You're hurting the people in the town.

2013
02:46:45,950 --> 02:46:50,010
You're letting them take credit out to buy very, very over-priced animals.

2014
02:46:50,470 --> 02:46:54,370
So that this man and his people can make money off of the backs of animals.

2015
02:46:54,370 --> 02:46:59,810
I've done the animal rescue for over 40 years. I know the whole gig. I think most of us here do.

2016
02:47:00,170 --> 02:47:05,370
I would like to see this shut all the way down and I will do what I can do to make sure it is.

2017
02:47:06,390 --> 02:47:12,350
Well, outside of the Grandfathering issue, does anyone have any questions about this proposed ordinance?

2018
02:47:14,580 --> 02:47:19,880
Do we have a proposed ordinance in front of us today that's in red, right?

2019
02:47:19,880 --> 02:47:23,260
raises the draft proposal just for discussion.

2020
02:47:24,340 --> 02:47:26,600
And you can comment when it comes up for public hearing.

2021
02:47:27,480 --> 02:47:33,100
Right, so the process is to clarify for the public the process.

2022
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:36,340
It needs to have at least two readings correct.

2023
02:47:37,060 --> 02:47:38,000
So it's a little bit published.

2024
02:47:38,680 --> 02:47:41,640
And we should not have a let Angie come up with that's fine.

2025
02:47:41,780 --> 02:47:42,280
We did it.

2026
02:47:43,300 --> 02:47:46,220
And you know something, since we let one person proponent,

2027
02:47:46,360 --> 02:47:48,460
we should let the if that guy want to set him up,

2028
02:47:48,460 --> 02:47:50,000
we can let you come up, sir.

2029
02:47:51,640 --> 02:47:54,140
The only old caution is that there is, I mean,

2030
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:55,780
not to protect his rights,

2031
02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:59,020
but there is a violation in progress.

2032
02:47:59,580 --> 02:48:01,600
I don't want to litigate this tonight.

2033
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:02,800
I'm not going to talk about that.

2034
02:48:03,320 --> 02:48:03,800
All right.

2035
02:48:04,020 --> 02:48:04,700
Mr. Mianzini.

2036
02:48:05,020 --> 02:48:06,780
Yes, you want to talk about this?

2037
02:48:06,900 --> 02:48:07,060
Yes, I don't know.

2038
02:48:07,420 --> 02:48:07,880
Mr. Mianzini.

2039
02:48:08,860 --> 02:48:09,260
Mr. Mianzini.

2040
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:10,240
Mr. Mianzini.

2041
02:48:10,980 --> 02:48:11,240
Mr. Mianzini.

2042
02:48:11,940 --> 02:48:12,820
Mr. Mianzini.

2043
02:48:14,500 --> 02:48:15,320
Mr. Mianzini.

2044
02:48:15,320 --> 02:48:16,580
Mr. Mianzini.

2045
02:48:16,580 --> 02:48:18,860
I will be a couple more minutes, hopefully.

2046
02:48:19,980 --> 02:48:22,120
So I usually get on doing this.

2047
02:48:22,260 --> 02:48:24,060
We let a proponent come up before,

2048
02:48:24,340 --> 02:48:26,740
so I think it's an all fairness we should let.

2049
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:28,580
I mean, yeah, that's fine.

2050
02:48:28,740 --> 02:48:29,900
I appreciate it.

2051
02:48:29,900 --> 02:48:31,740
I'm not going to say anything about disowning.

2052
02:48:31,980 --> 02:48:33,740
But as far as the animal care goes,

2053
02:48:34,040 --> 02:48:36,480
in 18 years of doing this and the animals

2054
02:48:36,480 --> 02:48:39,520
from the state around get a tree and warranty,

2055
02:48:40,220 --> 02:48:42,920
I don't have animals coming back with all these issues

2056
02:48:42,920 --> 02:48:44,700
of hearts and bad.

2057
02:48:44,700 --> 02:48:46,660
we wouldn't still be in business.

2058
02:48:47,220 --> 02:48:49,080
That's why Rhode Island only has three stores left

2059
02:48:49,080 --> 02:48:50,660
because there's three stores that do it right.

2060
02:48:51,620 --> 02:48:53,660
So painting those with a broad spectrum bus

2061
02:48:53,660 --> 02:48:55,860
of doing all these things that are wrong

2062
02:48:55,860 --> 02:48:58,940
and just saying because you have got four kittens that were bad.

2063
02:48:59,040 --> 02:48:59,740
That's true.

2064
02:48:59,900 --> 02:49:05,380
I have customers who have dogs that are 15 and 16 years old

2065
02:49:05,380 --> 02:49:06,600
come back to buy another one

2066
02:49:06,600 --> 02:49:08,120
because they had such a good experience.

2067
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:12,320
So you can't take all the negative and think that that's me.

2068
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:13,440
It's not fair.

2069
02:49:13,440 --> 02:49:33,120
Thank you sir. All right, let's get back to your ordinance as a proposal ordinance. My sense is that we want to publish this for our first reading and then also have James looking to that case that was referred to by the member of the public who came up with me. Is that fair to say?

2070
02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:37,080
Okay, does anyone on the console have any of the thoughts?

2071
02:49:37,900 --> 02:49:41,820
Okay, so for the public, we will draft this ordinance.

2072
02:49:42,700 --> 02:49:44,440
We will put it on a future agenda.

2073
02:49:44,660 --> 02:49:46,600
We'll have to advertise it.

2074
02:49:47,060 --> 02:49:48,460
There's what we call the first reading.

2075
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:49,980
Using is not public testimony.

2076
02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:54,560
First reading, it's more for people who can see the ordinance.

2077
02:49:54,820 --> 02:49:56,020
And there's a second reading.

2078
02:49:56,760 --> 02:49:58,040
And then that'll be advertised.

2079
02:49:58,520 --> 02:49:59,980
And then that's using where we have...

2080
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:06,480
There was a public comment on the ordinance, and then at that point council will make a decision.

2081
02:50:07,640 --> 02:50:14,160
So I would recommend that we make sure that it's published in time so that the first reading

2082
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:19,800
and hearing could be with our first meeting in September and the second reading and hearing

2083
02:50:19,800 --> 02:50:21,920
being at our last meeting in September.

2084
02:50:22,400 --> 02:50:28,360
I'm not going to leave that up to the clerk. I think she can do it. I think she'll do it as fast as she can

2085
02:50:28,360 --> 02:50:34,100
And I think that's a different of the clerks' timetable on that.

2086
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:39,440
We've got, I think, that we have correspondence, which is our last item.

2087
02:50:40,220 --> 02:50:40,420
So, Lydia.

2088
02:50:41,200 --> 02:50:42,460
I'll be as quick as I can.

2089
02:50:43,420 --> 02:50:48,520
From Holly Quinn and email about citizen comments, from Angie Sheen, an email about the

2090
02:50:48,520 --> 02:50:56,100
second battery storage project, from Sherry Linda Blad, an email about the North Kingston Arts

2091
02:50:56,100 --> 02:51:03,060
Council, allowing a candidate to post up at concerts, which they didn't do, for emails

2092
02:51:03,060 --> 02:51:11,320
about a proposed doc at 353-RL, all against the proposed doc, from Sarah McPeak about

2093
02:51:11,320 --> 02:51:16,820
noise abatement, for the root 403 noise, from Ben Fulcim and email about parking issues

2094
02:51:16,820 --> 02:51:24,640
on LaFayette, from Andy Shean, actually multiple about the puppy sales, puppies and

2095
02:51:25,960 --> 02:51:33,440
from Mark Howl-Oran, concerns about a proposed new road access to ghost neck benures, from

2096
02:51:33,440 --> 02:51:38,680
Heather Murphy, concerns about school committee meetings and transparency, from the pet advocacy

2097
02:51:38,680 --> 02:51:45,720
network and opposition to the ordinance we discussed this evening, from Director Wright

2098
02:51:45,720 --> 02:51:46,380
on the name.

2099
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:52,080
And I don't remember, but somebody wrote in about the, they were opposed to the appearance

2100
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:55,280
in the hours of enforcement for the speed camera signs.

2101
02:51:55,940 --> 02:52:01,260
From Sarily Norton, an email about her concern about local housing and infrastructure needs

2102
02:52:01,260 --> 02:52:03,440
resulting from the electric boat expansion.

2103
02:52:04,600 --> 02:52:11,540
And then I did batch emails because there's a lot more than this, but we received 24 complaints

2104
02:52:11,540 --> 02:52:13,500
about the asphalt odor.

2105
02:52:14,060 --> 02:52:19,180
And I mentioned earlier that that was less than the previous five weeks, but you know,

2106
02:52:19,180 --> 02:52:23,360
That was a significant increase in the previous five weeks before that.

2107
02:52:23,800 --> 02:52:31,140
We received 45 emails about the Fox system, 44 were concerned or opposed one was in favor.

2108
02:52:32,100 --> 02:52:38,500
And we received seven emails in favor of passing the ordinance, the changing of the ordinance

2109
02:52:38,500 --> 02:52:39,380
about pad sales.

2110
02:52:40,040 --> 02:52:41,300
Thank you.

2111
02:52:41,460 --> 02:52:45,540
Now all the business before the council, and a data motion to adjourn.

2112
02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:46,240
So moved.

2113
02:52:46,620 --> 02:52:46,800
Second.

2114
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:47,920
I'll learn from you to say hi.

2115
02:52:47,940 --> 02:52:48,240
Bye.

2116
02:52:48,520 --> 02:52:49,060
Thank you everybody.