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April 14th, 2026. We're going to start

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off our meeting tonight with an

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invocation or thought and then the

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pledge of allegiance by Council Member

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Watson.

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» Sorry.

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» Um,

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okay. This is just a quick thought. Um,

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Henry Ford, coming together is the

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beginning. Staying together is progress.

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And working together is a success. So

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hopefully we can keep those kind of

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thoughts in our minds as we work

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together through our differences of

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opinions as we go today. So thank you.

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Please join me for the pledge.

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» I pledge

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All right. Thank you, Council Member

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Watson.

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Okay. First item on our agenda is the

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presentation of the state of Utah's

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Constitution B winners and our we're

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going to have Reed Miller present

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tonight.

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Please, please, all those who

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participated in the Constitution B,

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please come up into the front

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and I'm going to put on my hat.

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» All right.

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here in front.

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Yep.

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This is just a few of the 30 30

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participants that uh engaged in this

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constitution B. And to give you an idea

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of what these kids learned, I want to

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give a few questions. If you know the

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answer, raise your hand. Okay? And then

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you might have to give the answer. Who

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wrote the Declaration of Independence?

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Boy, look at all. Go ahead. Who did it

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close?

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Thomas Jefferson. Okay. What did the

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Declaration of Independence do?

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Go ahead.

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Declared our independence. What else?

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It listed 27 grievances against the king

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in and Great Britain. What else? It gave

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the

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go ahead

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nature and nature's god. Amen. Okay.

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What are the nine principles that

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Jefferson put in the Declaration of

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Independence that formed the foundation

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for the US Constitution?

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Tough one, isn't it? But those are the

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nine things I said. A if it's a bad

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government, you have the right to get

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rid of it, right? And then wreck the

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role of government is what?

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Preserve the

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rights of the people. Okay. What is E?

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We're all

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equal. Okay. See,

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rights come from our creator. Okay.

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We'll go we'll go on. What are our

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unalienable rights?

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Go ahead.

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Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

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Okay. Uh where do our rights come from?

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Our creator. Who was the first person to

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sign the Declaration of Independence?

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And what was unique about that person,

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Adam?

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John Hancock.

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What was unique about his signature?

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He signed it the biggest. Why?

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He wanted the king to what?

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To see it without seeing without his

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spectacles.

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Okay. Uh on what date did we officially

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become a nation?

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July 4th, 1776.

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Okay. Who's the father of our

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constitution?

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Close.

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It is exactly right. James Madison. He

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not only wrote it out, he got everybody

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together and he wrote everything in it.

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Uh what's the magic of the Constitution?

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Go ahead.

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And what does that consist of?

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Federalism.

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What does it consist of?

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Checks and balances. How many branches

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of government? Three branches of

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government. Checks and balances. And

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what else?

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Hey, you know what? I'm getting at I'm

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getting these students studied this

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constitution

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constantly several times a week, you

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know, and it's easy to forget some of a

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lot of the things that happened, isn't

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it? A lot of the things. And so, we have

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to continue to study the Constitution

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over and over again. Now, on March 23rd

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and 24th,

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there was a statewide competition held

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at the Utah State Capitol Rotunda, and

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it was called the Constitution B. The

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Constitution B had three divisions:

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elementary, junior high, and high

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school. Okay? And this year, there were

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12 high school teams, 24

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elementary teams, and 28

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uh junior high teams. That's quite a few

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teams that they had to go with. Now, out

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of those 24 elementary teams, eight of

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them came from North Ogden. Eight of

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them. And

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a third of them. This was made possible

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because of a principal by the name of

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Reel Cox.

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Well, Mrs. Cox thought the Constitution

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was very important and since this is the

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250th anniversary of the signing of the

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Declaration of Independence, she

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assigned two teachers uh Mrs. Montag,

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Heidi Montag, and also Christa Christa

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Bernett to gather teams, put teams

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together. And so when I went to the

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school, they already had the teams

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together. Boy, that was really

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something. And then they practiced

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every week. They let them practice there

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at school for one hour a week. And then

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the teams got together during the week

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and did a a class themselves. And so now

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the the competition had four students on

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each team. Okay? And each team, each

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person was given this study guide, 40

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page study guide to learn by. So I mean

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that's a pretty hefty thing. Uh uh come

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on now. Uh

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now the actual competition put two four

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student teams against each other with

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buzzers.

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Okay. And all the questions came from

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the study guide and were from the

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Declaration of Independence, the

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Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the

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amendments. There were 16 questions in

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each round. Okay? And they had the

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junior the elementary had five rounds.

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The junior high had seven rounds. Seven

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rounds. Now, uh, the students from North

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Ogden did very well and brought home

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winning trophies.

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Raise it up high.

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They received cash awards. Cash awards.

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And they received medals. Raise your M.

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Okay. Good. Good.

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Okay. Raise your hand when I do the

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teams. Uh, the Constitution Queens, the

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Goldfish,

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Queen Bees. Oh, by the way, the Queen

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Bees had five rounds. They won every

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Musketss,

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they tied for third place out of 24

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teams. Okay.

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special K. It was consisted of two

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families, the Krausses and the Kimbles.

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K. K. Special K. Got it. Okay. And then

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we had the Liberty Bells. Now the

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special key special caves won six out of

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the seven rounds and the only loss was

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to the championship team. So they took

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second place. Second place award was 250

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bucks for the team. That's not bad.

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Okay. Uh that's all I

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have. I I just certainly appreciate

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these students who who took the time to

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learn the Constitution and what it's all

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about because and you have to keep doing

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it. I mean I mean give me a break. We we

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don't remember everything, do we? But

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and it it doesn't matter how old you

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are. The Constitution is the supreme law

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of the land and must be followed. Hey,

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thanks a lot.

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One, two, three.

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>> You got to raise that trophy up.

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One, two, three.

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Thank you, Reed, for bringing this to

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our attention and allowing the students

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to be here tonight. And thank you, Mrs.

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Cox, and all the students that

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participated. Way to represent North

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Ogden.

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And we'll let you guys, if you want to

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leave early, go ahead and leave now. Or

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feel free to stick around for our

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riveting agenda tonight.

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Um, while they're leaving, we'll move on

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to item number two, our fiscal year

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2026, quarter 3 invest portfolio report.

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And our presenter will be Casey Hunaker,

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our city treasurer.

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good evening, council. I decided to sit

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down here since I have to I'm doing so

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much tonight and that way I don't have

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to move. Uh, let's get this started.

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John, can you get me on the screen?

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So this is the the quarterly report on

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the investments that we have with me all

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the investments with the city um

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that we I try to do it once a quarter to

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just give you as an update on it. So, we we invested a couple years ago, we

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invested $5 million uh from our public

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treasures uh investment fund and we

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moved it over to meter investments. That

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was the purpose of that was to try to

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secure some higher rates that were

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available at the time because we could

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the forecast was showing that rates were

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going to start going down as they have.

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And so we have a total amount of

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principal amount of 5 million invested

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in meter. Um and in the last quarter we

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acrewed interest of 40 just under

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43,42,745

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and then we have an unrealized gain uh

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as of when I put the as of the end of

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the month uh of so this is covering from

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January 1 to March 31. And so we had an

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unrealized gain of $9,96. So that's just

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a gain that hadn't been uh

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brought in and reinvested. So that gives

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us a rate of return of 4.07

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uh which is about where we were at the

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last time I gave this presentation. And

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then our our average maturity is 2.4

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years uh remaining on that. In the

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public treasures investment fund or the

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PTIF, we have a total balance of just

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over $24 million.

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In the quarter three, we we earned

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uh $4548.

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So that's the rate of return on that was

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3.8581.

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So you can see that the meter

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investments uh have in the past they

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have been performing lower than the

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PTIF. Um, we knew that was going to

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happen when we started this, but like I

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said, we the reason we did the meter was

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so that we could lock in some of those

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higher rates as the the rates start

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coming down. And now we're seeing those

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rates are the those returns are coming

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back higher than what the PTIP is giving

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us right now. Steve

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>> Casey, when did we do the meter? Uh, $5

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million. Can you in your records could

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you share?

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hang on you're making me think December

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of 23.

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>> 23.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So in that time frame, how have they

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compared in terms of return?

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>> Um so we have we've performed very

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similarly to the PTIF.

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>> Um we were slightly below it up until

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this report and now slightly above it.

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So now we're we're starting to see that

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um that balancing out and okay

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>> and that contract goes through

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>> uh so it was a fiveyear maturity so uh

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December of 28 I believe is is when that

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one is

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on this next slide

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>> so sorry one more on the on the on the

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meter so that's the the five mil is is

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like you said the principal so all the

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interest and anything else flips over or

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is it yeah come out

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>> yeah so that that 5 million. It's It's

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being the the interest is being uh

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reallocated.

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>> Okay.

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>> Reinvested, not return. So, it's not being distributed back to the

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city. It's being reinvested. Is that

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what you're saying?

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>> Yeah.

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The next slide just shows those rates um

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on a bar graph. So, um so the PTIF is

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the one on the right, the green, and the meter rates are the one on the left.

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So you can see that that's now outpaced

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the public treasures investment fund

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which is kind of what we were hoping we

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would see in the long run.

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Um the the next part of the slide this

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presentation I wanted to include was

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where we stand with our sales tax

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revenue bonds. We have two two of those.

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The series 21 and the series 22. Um on

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the series 21 we

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have a total of

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uh 5.7 million remaining.

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Um we've paid in the last

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from the last report. So we pay we pay

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this uh twice a year by annually or

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semianually not by annually

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semiannually. Um we paid in June and in

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November. So this number doesn't change

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a whole lot because so it's the same. Uh

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the last payment so the last time we

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paid it was in November. Um we just

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barely got the the next statements for

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these um this morning I believe. So it

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was too late for me to update my slides

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and get it submitted. So um this we were

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at 5.7 on the 21 and 2.4 on the 22. Um,

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and that's what the bond that was the

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debt service bond that we used, the the

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sales tax revenue bond that we used to

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build this building that we're in now.

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Um, and then the interest rate is still

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very very low. It's 0.9% on the 21 bond

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and then 2.6 on the 22. So, we're still

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making quite a bit of money just

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taking our time to to pay those off and

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not paying them right away. Um, and then

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there those maturity dates, I believe

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they were 20-year bonds. Is that

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correct, John?

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>> Do you need to remember?

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>> Yeah. So, 20 year bonds. And so, we're

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uh we're probably paying we're 5 years

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into the first one. So, we still 15

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years on that one.

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>> So, the future trends on the market.

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>> Yeah. What was the maturity date?

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>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. My question is the

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interest paid is that uh per quarter? Is

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that an annual number? What's that?

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>> The interest paid. That's what the

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interest was paid. Um, so like I said,

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we we pay those twice a year. We pay

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principal and interest in June.

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And then in no

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in November, we pay just the interest.

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And so the interest paid there is is

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signifying the interest we paid for the

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period of July through November.

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>> Okay. And then the next presentation

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will have the balance and the interest

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paid down.

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Steve. Oh. Oh, the

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>> I thought you had a question.

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>> You didn't have the maturity date there.

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I know you asked John a question with

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So, you're about 20 40 20

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>> They're 20 year. They were 20 year

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bonds. So, we took the first one in 21.

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So, we're 5 years into it. So, we have

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15 years now. So, uh 20 41.

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>> Yeah. 41. Yeah.

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>> 4142 because they were

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um two a year apart. So,

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>> and just so everybody knows those those

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in interest rates are because there's

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certain tanches that have to do with

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that. So, they're not necessarily that

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for the whole time.

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>> Correct.

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>> Yeah. Because one I think ranges from

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0.5 to 2.8 and then second one is 2.3 to

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465. So,

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>> yeah. So, the interest rate increases

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every every six months as well. And so,

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right now we're we're in the 0.90 and

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the 2.6 trunch. And so, it'll it'll go

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up. And just to let Steve know um enter

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the that um I kind of convinced the

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mayor that we should put a memo together

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to kind of for future council in fact I

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should probably send that to you that

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says what we should do to pay it off if

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that makes sense because that you know

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for most people it's like oh any debt

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pay it off if you have the money. Well,

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if the rate is 0.9%,

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>> why would you?

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>> Why?

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Anyway,

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>> I agree.

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>> Sorry.

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>> I agree. Pretty cheap financing.

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Absolutely.

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>> That that money is making us more money

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in the PA for the meter wherever we have

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it right now than we're paying in the

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interest. So,

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>> in the public works building, I I just

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recall the some of the challenges the

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city had with that. So, that's paid off

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then?

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>> Yeah, I believe.

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>> Was there a bond on the public? Oh,

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there wasn't. We just paid cash for

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that. Oh,

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>> y

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>> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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>> So we we are bonded for this building

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that we're in but not not the public

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works facility. And then the last slide

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is just the future trends that so meter

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when they give us our statements every

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month or every month they put these on

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the end. So it just kind of talks about

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what what they see happening.

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Um as you can see interest rates were

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higher from March uh March generally. I

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mean it's due to the increase in energy

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prices. Um, Fed funds Fed funds uh are

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bouncing around. So, they don't they're

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not projecting any more um cut cuts to

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the Fed rate. Um, I did go to the UGFOA

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conference recently and there's a

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possibility there might be a rise in the

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rate um to help try to calm things down.

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because of Iran, right?

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>> With with things uh the uncertainty in

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the world today, there's it's always a

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possibility for rates to go up. Um

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economic growth for the fourth quarter

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of 20 20 that should be 2025 I believe

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since we're not to the fourth quarter of

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2026 yet. So it was revised. So it was lower. The the economy didn't

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grow as much in the fourth quarter of

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25. And then the markets are showing

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that there's not a lot of hiring, but

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there's also not a lot of firing going

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on. So we're kind of just staying level. Um which is a good sign

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for the economy to a degree. Also that

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the economy is not growing, which means

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there's not more jobs, right? And then

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the the rate of change. So inflation's

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not going up as high uh as of the end of

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March. I don't know what it is doing

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currently. I haven't looked at it um in

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the last 13 days, but I imagine

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>> it picked up a 3.4% CPI.

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>> Yeah,

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>> it was a bad month.

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>> I I'm not I'm not saying I'm not sure

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that that's accurate at this point. So

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as as of when I created the slides and

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they I was given the statement that's

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what that's what they were saying. So

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that's my presentation on the the

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investment portfolio for the city for

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this quarter. If you have any questions

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I'm happy to answer them. Uh just shoot

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me an email or we can we can give me a

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phone call and and I'm happy to answer

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your questions for you.

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>> Okay. Thank you Casey.

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>> Uh moving on. Item number three, signing

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up for notifications on the city

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website. And our presenter is Ryan

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Santoro or city recorder.

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» Okay. Thank you, mayor. Thank you,

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council.

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It's under the council training. Yeah.

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Yep.

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Okay. Tonight, I'm just going to give a

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quick overview on how residents can

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survive or survive subscribe to receive

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notifications for city meetings. agendas

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and public notices. Next slide, please.

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Um why this matters? Um all of this will

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help residents stay informed. They'll be

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able to have a notification right there

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in their email um anytime an agenda or

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new meeting minutes are posted, notices,

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etc. Um it supports transparency and it

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makes it easier for the public to stay

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engaged. Next slide, please. Um there

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are two ways to subscribe. Um, one is

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the Utah public notice website and the

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other is the North Ogden city website.

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Both have the same information posted to

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them every time we post. Um, next slide,

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please. Um, the public notice website.

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This is a state public notice website.

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in order to find what you're looking for

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here. You'll go to this main screen and

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then you'll um search North Ogden and

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you'll search for the group that you're

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wanting. Typically, it's going to be

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either city council or planning

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commission and then you'll click into

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notice and then it'll subscribe to

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public body. It's pretty intuitive and

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easy to do. From then on, you'll get a

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notification from the public notice

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00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,080
website that a new notice has been

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posted to the city council or the

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planning commission, whatever body you

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subscribe to. Next web or next page,

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please. This gives a little bit more

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indepth into that public notice website.

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There's your counties, your

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municipalities, and then it goes into

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entities, and then it goes further into

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public body there in the three columns.

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Next slide.

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And then there is where you'll put in

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your email and subscribe. You'll have to

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do the capta to make sure you're not a

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robot. And then from there, you just

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keep going or you'll keep getting um

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notifications after you hit subscribe.

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Next slide, please. The city website is

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just a little more complicated. There's

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one step in it um that a lot of people

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miss. So, I'll make sure to point that

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out. So, you'll go to the North Ogden

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City website and you'll go to government

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and city council agenda and minutes.

544
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,320
Under that, go to the next slide,

545
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,279
please. Under that, um, it has your

546
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,279
different groups. It has the audit

547
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,039
committee, the city council, and the

548
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,000
planning commission. The page is what

549
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,120
you're getting notifications for. So, on

550
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,919
the public notice website, you could um

551
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:43,039
select a specific body. Here you're just

552
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,440
selecting a notification that something

553
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,799
on that page has been updated. So what

554
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,720
you'll do is you will go to the agenda

555
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,400
minutes page and you'll enter your email

556
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,120
right up there where it says your email

557
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,200
and it you'll press the button where it

558
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,159
will say subscribe. This is where people

559
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:04,400
get confused and where it's missing. You

560
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
have to check your email address and you

561
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,159
have to go into that email and you have

562
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:11,120
to press confirm and then you will start

563
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,360
getting the email address. So there's a

564
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,960
second step there that people are

565
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,679
missing. Next slide.

566
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,360
This is what the email will look like.

567
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,080
It comes from a or email address no

568
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,880
reply atrevise.com. Revise is who hosts

569
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,360
our website. And then right there is

570
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,440
where you will press confirm and

571
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,279
complete these changes. And then you

572
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,760
will start getting those notifications.

573
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,799
This process will give residents um and

574
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,279
also staff and council a simple way to

575
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,159
stay up to date. And I'm happy to answer

576
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:47,510
any questions you guys may have.

577
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,360
» I'm still waiting for my confirmation

578
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,000
email.

579
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,960
>> Are you?

580
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,159
>> Oh, there it is.

581
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:55,200
>> There it is.

582
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,200
>> Oh, it works. I followed through.

583
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,440
>> It worked on my end. But yeah, that's a

584
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000
good way for residents to to keep on top

585
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,080
of the agendas and and look for what

586
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,760
they're they're wanting to get

587
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,400
notifications on. So, thank you.

588
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,159
>> Thank you.

589
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,240
>> Okay, moving on. Item number four, a

590
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,919
conflict of interest disclosure. Does

591
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:18,000
anyone have anything they'd like to

592
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,279
disclose tonight?

593
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,279
All right, seeing none, we'll move on.

594
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,440
Um, before we do voting tonight, if

595
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,559
we're going to do a roll call vote,

596
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,919
we'll start with Council Member Carney

597
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,679
and work our way down. I think there's

598
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:31,120
only one item we're doing a roll call

599
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,320
on. So, okay. Item number five, approval

600
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,440
of the March 2020 or 24th, 2026 meeting

601
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,840
minutes. They've all been distributed

602
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,440
electronically. Does anyone have any

603
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,120
corrections? If not, be looking for a

604
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,029
motion to approve.

605
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,559
» I'll make a motion to approve.

606
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:50,240
>> Okay. Motion by Council Member Neighbor.

607
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,360
Do we have a second?

608
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,559
>> Second.

609
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,399
by Council Member Watson. Is

610
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:57,200
there any other discussion?

611
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,039
All right. All in favor say I.

612
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:00,320
>> I.

613
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,880
>> Does anyone opposed? All right. Motion

614
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,720
passed unanimously.

615
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,120
Item number six in the active agenda.

616
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,159
We're going to start with our public

617
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:10,000
comments. This is your chance to come to

618
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,919
the microphone and leave comments for

619
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:13,200
us. State whether you're resident in

620
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,960
North Ogden and let's keep our comments

621
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,760
to 5 minutes or less. So the time is now

622
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,430
yours.

623
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,240
Barker, city councilman. Councilwoman,

624
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,559
thank you for your service. Um Kevin

625
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,600
Mickelson, North Ogden, 837 East, 2750

626
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,120
North.

627
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,080
I have a growing concern about traffic

628
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200
on 2750 North.

629
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:45,279
Um it includes Well, I was I was I guess start with a question as what

630
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,679
process would I have to go through to

631
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:49,360
petition for the speed limit to be

632
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,279
dropped from 30 miles hour to 25?

633
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,000
Anybody Does anybody know? Our officers

634
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,279
over there are the ones that are over

635
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,360
that.

636
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
I think they're they'll take note.

637
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,120
>> I had a chat with one of the officers

638
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,799
this morning and he directed me to come

639
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,039
to talk to the city council and so

640
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:08,880
that's why I'm here just to see what the

641
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360
process is. Um whether it can happen or

642
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,640
not. Um 850 east is 25 miles an hour.

643
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,679
It's a north north south corridor. 725

644
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,320
east or north uh um Monroe Boulevard is

645
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,679
also 25 miles an hour as well as 700

646
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:27,600
east, but from 700 east up to 1050 east

647
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,080
on on 2750 it's 30 m hour. And I'm

648
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,799
consistently seeing an excess of speed

649
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,840
of 30 mph by a lot of people including

650
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,399
and I don't know the the rules it is for

651
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,080
these young people that do not have a

652
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,360
driver's license that are driving

653
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000
electronic vehicles. motorcycles is what

654
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
they look like. Small mention

655
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,360
motorcycles. But uh um I saw another one

656
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,799
today and he was doing Papa Wheelie up

657
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,799
and down the street.

658
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,320
Um and it seems like right after the

659
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,799
junior high is is let out. Um, I talked

660
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,600
to with the uh, dispatch and they got me

661
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,840
in contact with one of the officers and

662
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,279
he said he was going to go ahead and see

663
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,080
about getting somebody on site to see if

664
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,080
they can see what's going on in that

665
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,840
respect. Um, so we've got a new family

666
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,679
that's moved next door after my mom and

667
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,600
dad's house was sold and they've got

668
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320
children. I've got a granddaughter and

669
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,559
they have friends across the street.

670
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,080
there's going to be they're at that age

671
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,520
where they're going to be crossing roads

672
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,240
back and forth or crossing the road. Um,

673
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880
and I'm just want to do a little pre

674
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,559
preventative maintenance to make sure

675
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,279
that we don't have an accident and to

676
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,120
see what we can do to get the the

677
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520
traffic the traffic slowed down on that

678
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,919
road.

679
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,950
So,

680
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,559
I appreciate that. Thank you. say

681
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,000
there's rules and guidelines that we

682
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,559
follow, but don't look into it.

683
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:06,310
>> Okay. Thank you for your time.

684
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
» Hi, Deian Burns, North Ogden. I want to

685
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,960
address the signage around the city. I

686
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,520
wasn't going to come tonight. um wasn't

687
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,360
even on my radar to do this, but as I

688
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000
came into the city, I noticed this. I

689
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,919
wanted to address the signage around the

690
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:27,760
city and how trashy these signs make our

691
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,919
city look. And I think you know what

692
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:32,799
signs um we can put up jellyfish lights,

693
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,240
we can do lawnmowing, handyman. Today I

694
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,559
left the city at 11:00 a.m. and I

695
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,080
returned at 5:30 p.m. And the signage at

696
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,279
Futland and Mountain Road where the sign

697
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,240
says, "Welcome to North Ogden." Signs

698
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,600
grew from 8 to 10. And I turned around,

699
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,559
went to take a picture, and counted the

700
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,840
signs. And I counted the signs

701
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,919
as I left.

702
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:04,080
Do we not have a city ordinance

703
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,799
regarding this anymore? I've spoke once

704
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,000
before about this in city council a

705
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,080
couple years back and have spoke to

706
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,799
department heads and employees.

707
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,679
Do us as citizens need to tell the city

708
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:20,559
when signs are not within guidelines of

709
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,000
ordinance? As a citizen, I'm not saying

710
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,720
this to be disrespectful. I care about

711
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,679
where we live. Also, employees seem to

712
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,559
take this personal when a complaint is

713
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,159
made.

714
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:36,640
I should be able to make a statement as

715
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,880
a citizen without feeling retaliation

716
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,600
from the city or that I have no right to

717
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,240
mention this. Is this not their job in

718
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,000
their job description to keep up with

719
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,880
our ordinances? Help me understand why

720
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,000
us as citizens have to monitor this and

721
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,159
why these signs are so out of control in

722
00:32:56,159 --> 00:32:58,559
North Ogden. I've tried to take a

723
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,120
picture tonight

724
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,320
um to have you view it in the area.

725
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,159
However, the traffic was too bad to

726
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:07,760
stop.

727
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,240
I would encourage you as the council to

728
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,039
drive around the city and take note of

729
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,000
all these signs. I would collect them

730
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,559
myself, but I don't get paid by the city

731
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,120
to do that. It seems that nobody wants

732
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,279
to do their job. And I know that others

733
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,440
in our neighborhood and community have

734
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,159
mentioned this signage.

735
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:32,399
And I just want to know why this

736
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:36,640
ordinance isn't observed and why it

737
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:51,029
seems to be disregarded.

738
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:52,880
Go ahead.

739
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,919
I'm going to tell you something just

740
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,720
because it's my pet peeve as well. So,

741
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,080
they're working on it. I think the

742
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,039
biggest thing is that um the ordinances

743
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,840
that we do enforce are fire life safety

744
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,760
and that's a lower priority. Even

745
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600
though, like you said, I want to get out

746
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,879
of my car and just tuck them into the

747
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:10,320
back of my car and throw them away

748
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,879
because it's agreed it is in violation

749
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:15,359
of ordinance. I want to call each one of

750
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:16,480
them and say, "Hey, you know, your signs

751
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,000
are in vi

752
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,480
So, it's not just you and it's at least

753
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,480
two others on here, if not all of them.

754
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,399
I'm pretty sure it annoys the crap out

755
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:27,679
of us. So, yes, it go.

756
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,919
>> But if I was to do that, am I going to

757
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,240
get arrested for taking those signs and

758
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,240
throwing them in the back of my car?

759
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,320
Because I wanted to actually do that.

760
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560
And I actually wanted to huck them, pick

761
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,000
them all up, and huck them and put them

762
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,079
in a big pile so somebody would see them

763
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,919
in the city and say, "Let me pick them

764
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,599
up."

765
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,679
>> Let's defer to the Yep.

766
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:55,510
>> Best.

767
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,839
But but we're having a they've they've

768
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,079
organized a citizen I'm skipping to the

769
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,320
end here, but a citizen um help to get

770
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,359
the city code enforcement kind of

771
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:09,680
prioritized and

772
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,680
a little bit more quick because the

773
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,040
biggest thing is if you see anything and

774
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,880
to your point about calling city staff,

775
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,680
sometimes city staff, the best one to do

776
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,560
is non-emergency dispatch. So it's

777
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,599
calling Weaver County and they know, oh,

778
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,599
it's North Ogden again, you know, just

779
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,520
that they get and it so it's racked and

780
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,240
stacked and they know and so that's how

781
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,079
you get priority and that's how it gets

782
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,400
put in the books. So calling staff does

783
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,280
help, but that's how they know code

784
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:54,150
enforcement is non-emergency dispatch.

785
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,839
Reed Miller, North Ogden. And um this

786
00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:01,680
past uh month I went to my utility bill

787
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,680
and there was $15 more on my on my

788
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
utility bill and I said, "What? Where

789
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,079
did that come from? What what group

790
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,119
passed that $15?"

791
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:19,280
And uh did did the city did the citizens

792
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,000
approve of it? And then I said scratched

793
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,200
my head and said, "Yeah, of course the

794
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,599
city needs more money to do roads and

795
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,640
stuff." But I said said, "Hey, look,

796
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,720
this year we didn't even have any much

797
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,920
of a snow removal." Well, they had what

798
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,400
about the extra money for the road snow

799
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,200
removal? And uh so it it it was just a a

800
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,200
concern and I wondered how many other

801
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,839
citizens all of a sudden said, "Wow,

802
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:53,040
what's going on with our city council?"

803
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440
And all of a sudden raising it. I know

804
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,720
not too long ago we had a property tax

805
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,119
increase that the state really didn't

806
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,280
approve of, but there were many on the

807
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,480
council that approved for a 15%

808
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,200
increase. And of course it went way down

809
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,240
to I think 4%. And now this $15 is more

810
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,480
than 15%.

811
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,160
And so I tell you it was just something

812
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,160
that was mind-boggling to me and I'm

813
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,960
sure it it was mindboggling to a lot of

814
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:38,710
other citizens. Thank you.

815
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,960
Hi, my name is Alicia Tisher. I'm

816
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,599
resident in North Ogden City. I stayed

817
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,440
just to listen tonight, but something

818
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,320
thought of thought came to my mind. Um,

819
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040
as you are leaving Wendy's to your

820
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,359
right, the only way you can go is right

821
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:54,960
because there's a concrete barrier right

822
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,200
in front of you. It's not yellow and

823
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,240
there is no no left turn sign. Um, and

824
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,400
I've seen people go ahead on collisions

825
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,000
right there, like not actually hit, but

826
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,599
like it could have potentially been

827
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,440
whether it was a new driver or whether

828
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,839
it was dark. Um, just wondering, can we

829
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:11,680
get a no left turn sign right there or

830
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
the concrete barrier bright reflective

831
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,680
yellow? Just a thought I had while Dian

832
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:35,030
mentioned signs that came to my brain.

833
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,079
Okay, not seeing anyone online. Um,

834
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,640
we'll move on. But in response to your

835
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,960
question, Alicia, I think is that a U

836
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
dot controlled intersection?

837
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,920
>> It is, but usually they would paint it

838
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,240
yellow and do signs, but so we'll talk

839
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,119
to you do.

840
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,640
>> Okay.

841
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,560
All right. So, moving on to item number

842
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,920
seven. our audit fiscal year 2024 2025

843
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,480
audit report discussion and

844
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,560
consideration to accept the audit and

845
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,400
our presenter will be Peter Brown our

846
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,320
finance director and the auditors.

847
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,800
Hello. Can you hear me?

848
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,000
>> Oh, I got Peter muted. Sorry.

849
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,839
>> Oh, there you go. Peter,

850
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:16,800
>> can you hear me?

851
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,440
>> Yep.

852
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,560
>> Okay, great. Um,

853
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,920
so we're going to just kind of run

854
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,200
through. We had the audit uh committee

855
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,079
meet at the end of March and um our

856
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,160
auditor um came and presented the audit

857
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,680
um at that time and

858
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,760
we went through that and and

859
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,119
but that's just a um it's not a

860
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,440
governing body. They can't really accept

861
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,200
it. So, we have to kind of push that

862
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,160
forward here to the city council to have

863
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,800
you all be able to

864
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,480
um look at it as well. And so, I'm just

865
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,240
basically going to summarize what um

866
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,720
what Gilbert and Stewart uh did when

867
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,079
they presented the audit so that you can

868
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,160
kind of understand how we landed and and

869
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,640
we we do recognize it's late. I guess a

870
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,280
lot of the cities and uh were late this last year. We were a little extra

871
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,280
late. Um we're going to try to do a

872
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,119
little bit better to get this uh kind of

873
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,280
sewn up a little bit earlier going

874
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,800
forward.

875
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,200
But if John can if you can pull that up,

876
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,000
I'll just kind of go walk through

877
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,920
um

878
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,280
the different parts of this. Um, we'll

879
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,720
start with the independent auditor's

880
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,720
report

881
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,880
and um, I don't see it on my screen, but

882
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,160
if you guys can see it on your screen

883
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,520
and you're good, I'll just walk through

884
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,920
it

885
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,440
and and apologize. I'm got some kind of

886
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,200
goop or croo. So, that's why I'm over

887
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,839
here doing it from my office instead of

888
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,560
there and giving you all of my wonderful

889
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,240
viral

890
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,760
um,

891
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,560
presents. So, I I hope that you um can go away without having to deal

892
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,960
with that. So, thanks for letting me

893
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,680
stay over here and doing it this way. Um

894
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,960
so, starting with the independent

895
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
auditor's report, the audit was

896
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,440
conducted in accordance with with with

897
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,040
generally accepted accounting standards

898
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,680
and government auditing standards and

899
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,200
the auditors obtained sufficient

900
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,520
appropriate evidence and they this is

901
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,880
basically just saying they're remaining

902
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,400
independent.

903
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,640
They expressed an unmodified opinion

904
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,119
which is in accounting parliament a

905
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,280
clean opinion. They performed risk

906
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,560
assessments and other standard

907
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,160
procedures without appining on the

908
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,680
effectiveness of the internal controls

909
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,319
but they applied some limited procedures

910
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:48,560
and they needed to require supplementary

911
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,560
information. So that's sort of just

912
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,520
their opening letter to explain what

913
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,960
they did and and um what the outcome

914
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,079
was. So go ahead and go down to the next

915
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,680
one

916
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,640
that is called correspondence with those

917
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,119
charged with governance. It's the next

918
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,150
um report down.

919
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,880
» Uh which one, Peter? I'm looking at the

920
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,480
names of the documents and I don't see a

921
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960
correspond you just have to like scroll

922
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,430
down on this I think.

923
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,520
» Oh, you only have one document open. I'm

924
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,079
sorry.

925
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,599
>> This one? Yes, sorry, that's the that's

926
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,240
the one. Okay, this was just the

927
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,400
communications letter to the governing

928
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880
body of North Ogden City following its

929
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040
financial statements

930
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,480
um for year end June 30th, 2025.

931
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,400
A management selection application of

932
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,240
accounting policies were appropriate and

933
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,319
consistent with no new policies adopted

934
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:51,119
and no transaction lacking authoritative

935
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,000
guidance. There was the only notably

936
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,520
sensitive accounting estimate involved

937
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,319
the useful lives of depreciable assets

938
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:01,119
which the auditors found reasonable.

939
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:02,800
Um

940
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,480
no significant difficulties were

941
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,319
accounted. All detected misstatements

942
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:07,920
were conducted by management were not

943
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,160
material. There were no disagreements

944
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,720
with management or consultants

945
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,160
with other accountants. Management

946
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,680
provided the required representation

947
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,440
letter dated February 12th, 2026.

948
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,440
One current year, Utah state legal

949
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,720
compliance finding was noted that uh the

950
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,119
city did not

951
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,359
um file the annual fraud risk

952
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,200
assessment.

953
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,839
We we presented that in January 2026,

954
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:37,280
but we need to do it in June. And so um

955
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,359
they did give us a finding on that and

956
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,280
we've agreed to take steps to comply

957
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
with that in the future. And then they

958
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,119
also talked about a prior year finding

959
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,280
um reflecting the aquatic center special

960
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,839
revenue fund and how it was resolved in

961
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:55,760
fiscal year 25. Um

962
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,599
and overall the audit proceeded smoothly

963
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,200
with no other reportable issues.

964
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040
So do you have the one for internal

965
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,000
control the internal control report? if

966
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,319
you don't, I'll just they they had

967
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:10,240
another letter talking about internal

968
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:11,760
controls

969
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,560
and um

970
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,440
they just basically said that in

971
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,880
planning or performing the audit, the

972
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,560
auditors considered the city's internal

973
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,160
control but did not express an opinion

974
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,480
on its effectiveness but did not

975
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,880
identify any deficiencies that rose to

976
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,280
the level of material weakness. So

977
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,040
that's really about how the count the

978
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,240
sorry that's the the city sorry about

979
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,520
how the city conducts its um accounting

980
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,240
operations

981
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,240
and then um the final um report were the

982
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,800
financial statements.

983
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,319
So you go ahead and go to the financial

984
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:51,280
statements there John

985
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,119
and there were some questions that came

986
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,640
about in the audit committee about the

987
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,720
financial report. This is a

988
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,720
comprehensive governmentwide report.

989
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,960
Many of the figures are aggregated

990
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,720
across different funds and they look

991
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,240
different than often how they are

992
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:05,520
presented with the city's accounting

993
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,200
software.

994
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,720
So the committee asks that these

995
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,640
questions be answered satisfactorily

996
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,200
prior to the acceptance of the audit. Um

997
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,119
staff and Cington and Christensen

998
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:16,400
responded to the committee to the

999
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,560
following questions. So, if you want to

1000
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,119
go to page seven,

1001
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,440
there was a um a question about property

1002
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,960
tax revenue showing a decreased

1003
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
year-over-year, which seemed unexpected.

1004
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,190
Um

1005
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,119
the decrease was because the city's RDA

1006
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,040
also received property taxes in the last

1007
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,920
year. The RD recorded taxes was in 2024.

1008
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,240
So we are we think about a lot of times

1009
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:41,680
we think about when we see the property

1010
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,520
tax revenues we just see it in the

1011
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:49,839
general fund but it's also over in the RDA and so that sort of made it look

1012
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:52,319
like that we we we had dropped overall

1013
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:57,040
but not you know as a total combined

1014
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,800
um fund but not in the the general fund.

1015
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,680
So now go to page eight

1016
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,920
and then the question on here was about

1017
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,319
public safety. If you note there,

1018
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:11,119
there's about a $600,000

1019
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,760
increase in public safety. And that was

1020
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,160
questioned that seemed kind of high.

1021
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,920
This is a similar um circumstance. Uh

1022
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,599
you know, the police department itself

1023
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,280
was only about $200,000$100 to $200,000

1024
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,560
over or up year-over-year. And so like

1025
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
where did the rest of that come from?

1026
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,800
And there were two different pieces of

1027
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,480
that. Um, one of the pieces was that,

1028
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,920
um, according to some different

1029
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,640
accounting rules, and I'll just kind of

1030
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,160
summarize it at a high level, that when

1031
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,760
employees

1032
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,000
have acred compensated absences, they

1033
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,240
have to be

1034
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,839
expensed out in the year they were

1035
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:56,640
acred. And so when the auditors went and

1036
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,640
did or when the our went and did some

1037
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,599
testing on that, they found that we had some higher compensated absences

1038
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,599
that they had to acrew. And so that

1039
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,680
popped it up. The the overwhelming part

1040
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,560
of it though was you have to count

1041
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,760
depreciation on the building and the one

1042
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,280
we just talked about in the treasury

1043
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,920
report where the bonds that we have for

1044
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,160
that building were first acred in 2025.

1045
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,560
And so that

1046
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,599
the depreciation amount popped that

1047
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,280
overall total up. And so that's why that

1048
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,839
looked that was higher than probably

1049
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:39,280
people thought it should be.

1050
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,069
And then if you want to go to page 17,

1051
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,640
this was a question related to the

1052
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,000
increase in fund balance to 1.6 million,

1053
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,640
which also seemed high. we were able to

1054
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,680
track it to a combination of factors. Um

1055
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,839
first of all the finance office was in full turnover and consequently

1056
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:01,359
some of the revenues were not totally

1057
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:03,520
captured until after the budget went

1058
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,760
through its final adjust amendment in

1059
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,400
last June. So we went the budget and

1060
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,040
then July rolled around and when we

1061
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,200
started to engage with the audit with

1062
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
our CPA we found some additional

1063
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,480
revenues that we hadn't captured

1064
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,760
and um that process should be fixed in

1065
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,079
the subsequent year but just sort of to

1066
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,040
encapsulate that difference um of that

1067
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,630
$1.6 $6,500,000

1068
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,599
um in other fund balances.

1069
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,280
These are other fund balances other than

1070
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,119
the general fund such as the RDA and

1071
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,640
capital or rolled to the subsequent

1072
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,720
year.

1073
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,839
And then the revenue piece that I just

1074
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:45,920
talked about where we had captured some

1075
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,599
revenue. There was $222,000 in property

1076
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,200
tax revenue and then sales and other

1077
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,280
sales like taxes, you know, the the

1078
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,319
motor vehicle tax. utility tax came to

1079
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,319
about 279.

1080
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:02,559
And so altogether that was an a revenue

1081
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,960
that uh we caught after we redid the

1082
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,760
budget. And then we also had road funds

1083
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,800
of $428,000

1084
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,240
which um similar similar circumstance.

1085
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,520
Um we just didn't capture it before the year-end budget amendment.

1086
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,680
Those funds are restricted to roads. So,

1087
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,520
um,

1088
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,200
that's the big difference there. And

1089
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,280
then on our expenses side, we were we

1090
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,359
held down expenses by about $280,000.

1091
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:34,800
And then there were some other balances

1092
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,079
that sort of made up the difference. But

1093
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,079
those are the kind of the big pieces of

1094
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,880
it that that capture that 1.6 million.

1095
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,200
Um, at the end of the analysis though,

1096
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,280
the funible surplus really amounts to

1097
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,359
$500,000

1098
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:52,000
over what was predicted. The remainder

1099
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,760
is restricted dollars either to specific

1100
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,359
funds or to specific projects like

1101
00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:00,000
roads. Um and so those were the answers

1102
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,880
that we g that uh we gave the the

1103
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,440
council

1104
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,200
um a few days ago from the audit

1105
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,440
committee. And um

1106
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,880
that's sort of the end of the

1107
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,160
presentation. I think at this point if

1108
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,240
you guys have any more questions this is

1109
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,000
the time to ask. Other than that, I

1110
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,599
think

1111
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,440
um John, I think they just need to make

1112
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,359
a motion to accept the the 2025 fiscal

1113
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:29,680
year audit.

1114
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,079
>> Okay. Do we have any councils for Peter?

1115
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,079
Yeah. Council member Pulver.

1116
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,760
>> Um not so much questions, but I guess

1117
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,480
just to describe the audit committee. Um

1118
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,440
we talked about um I think Peter talked

1119
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000
about it is uh a better timeline. I'm

1120
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,000
going to leave that to Mr. Steve there.

1121
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,040
Um and then also uh basically we were

1122
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,119
talking about how categories are

1123
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,599
combined into the audit report that

1124
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,839
really would help us and I think um with

1125
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:57,920
Peter trying to get a CPA and and

1126
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,440
hopefully may maybe making more um

1127
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,920
having a better uh expectations of the

1128
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,119
audit prep that uh can really understand

1129
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:12,000
and and make have give us the Rosetta

1130
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,599
Stone so that we can understand where

1131
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,920
numbers are coming from. Um, and then

1132
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,359
again, Peter talked about the positive

1133
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,119
balance, and I think that's something

1134
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,400
we're going to strive for and actually

1135
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,000
talk about later in uh tonight's

1136
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
meeting, but that's something also that

1137
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,240
the the audit committee uh discussed

1138
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,800
pretty heavily. Um, especially in a in a

1139
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,359
year that there was a property tax

1140
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:32,800
increase in that year. So, that that

1141
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,960
that's the thing that I want to avoid at

1142
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,079
all costs. But anyway,

1143
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,359
well, Mr. Steve.

1144
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:42,240
>> Um, I'll maybe being the new person to

1145
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,559
the audit committee, I just maybe share

1146
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,960
a couple of insights that I that I had.

1147
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,800
So, the first thing I did when I was

1148
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880
named is I asked for the audited

1149
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,880
financial statements in January. And

1150
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Peter's talked about this a little bit

1151
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,800
and it wasn't prepared and it's taken us a while and we had a

1152
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,119
lot of turnover like Peter has indicated

1153
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,720
and we utilize a third party accountant.

1154
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,839
We also our audit CPA firm maybe was not

1155
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,680
as timely as they should have been. And

1156
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,480
so we had a pretty good discussion in

1157
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,000
the audit committee talking about as

1158
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,119
Chris has indicated what do we do to get

1159
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:24,880
these audit these audited financial

1160
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,480
statements out before December 31st into

1161
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,800
the hands of the city council to look at

1162
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,440
before they're published. So, I think we

1163
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,079
have a pretty good plan and um so I'm

1164
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,079
pleased with that and I wanted to just

1165
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,480
share that it it is late. I mean,

1166
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,079
financial statements are always late

1167
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:49,440
anyway, but to be almost a this late is probably not acceptable moving

1168
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,200
forward, but we've got a plan to take

1169
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,839
care of that. And I want to compliment

1170
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:56,400
uh council member Pulver for his

1171
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,319
leadership in that audit committee

1172
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:00,400
because there was a lot of questions

1173
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,200
there and he handled that very well. So

1174
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,559
compliments to him for that

1175
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,640
>> council.

1176
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,880
Um it looks like uh our CPA from

1177
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,760
Kington's online if you have questions.

1178
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,240
I think he he came to answer any if you

1179
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:22,880
had any. Um, John Ben's online if you if

1180
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,079
you have any questions. I just wanted to

1181
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,480
point that out.

1182
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,559
>> I think the biggest question would be is

1183
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,240
to have like we were talking about the

1184
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:33,280
Rosetta Stone between um what goes comes

1185
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,839
out of Cassella into the audit report.

1186
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:37,359
That would be to me the the biggest

1187
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:40,400
thing to at least have it doesn't have

1188
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,160
to be detailed, but at least to have um

1189
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,160
you know the big buckets goes into what

1190
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,720
bucket so that we can kind of understand

1191
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,520
for the future. Um because really it

1192
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,280
comes down to planning. You can look at

1193
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,720
the numbers and go, "Yep, everything

1194
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,800
looks good." But to me, it looks, you

1195
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,720
know, like year to year is what we're

1196
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,040
kind of looking for. Um especially audit

1197
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,000
wise. Um, and then you know when the

1198
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,079
former mayor was having questions, you

1199
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:05,839
know, things, you know, that that's

1200
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:07,520
where I was kind of like maybe we should

1201
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,839
do some, you know, be better on this.

1202
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:12,319
And I think u council member neighbors

1203
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:14,559
on the same same

1204
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:15,760
we're on the same page and I think

1205
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,079
everybody's on the same page, Peter and John and everybody else. So I think

1206
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,000
um for the most part I don't see any me

1207
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,160
I don't see any issues period. Um I

1208
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,720
think it's just addressing how to um get

1209
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,079
future or how to not fix but make course

1210
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,160
corrections as we need to as quick as we

1211
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,040
can. Now obviously with you know talking

1212
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,119
about the budget today you know having

1213
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,800
the audit report you know anyway so I

1214
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,520
think we're doing well I think the

1215
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,119
we got the questions answered but I

1216
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:48,400
think in the future if we can get the

1217
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,559
Rosetta Stone between what comes out of

1218
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,319
Cassell going into the audit report that

1219
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:53,839
would be awesome.

1220
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:57,030
>> Yeah.

1221
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,960
I uh wasn't following very well on the

1222
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,119
discrepancy of the 600,000 in public

1223
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,319
safety. Um and I I wasn't following most

1224
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:07,839
of the numbers on this. It was it's

1225
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:10,800
pretty complicated. Uh

1226
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,640
so I need to sit down with you,

1227
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Councilman Pulver. Uh that I unless if

1228
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,280
Peter can give a 30 to 60 sec second

1229
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,480
dumb things down for Councilman Da Pass,

1230
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,599
that'd be great

1231
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,000
>> because I I I wasn't track I I watched

1232
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,880
the audit report or the audit committee

1233
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,119
uh last week or a couple weeks ago,

1234
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,680
whenever it was, and I heard that

1235
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,240
600,000 uh delta on public safety, and I

1236
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,720
um I was anxious to hear about it, and

1237
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:44,880
now it's been explained And I'm just in

1238
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,040
with my little mind I didn't understand

1239
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,760
it very well.

1240
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:56,240
>> So, so two things. Depreciation on the new building there started in

1241
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,680
fiscal year 2025. So that that won't

1242
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,480
show up on it won't show up on any

1243
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,680
operational budget that you'll see, but

1244
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,280
this is a governmentwide financial

1245
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,240
report and so it's going to aggregate

1246
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,720
um that together. So that's that's the

1247
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,920
first piece of it. And then there again

1248
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,400
the other issue and this is a weird

1249
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,040
accounting kind of mumbo jumbo thing.

1250
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,480
But we have to look at what we do with

1251
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,520
our leave time with our our officers and

1252
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,440
we have to do an adjustment on the basis

1253
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,280
of compensated absences and leave time

1254
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,040
and that adjustment we have to expense

1255
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,839
it in that fiscal year. An example would

1256
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:44,160
be I have a whole lot of leave time that

1257
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,839
I've earned, but I haven't taken that

1258
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:47,680
leave time. Well, I still have to

1259
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,559
expense it in that fiscal year.

1260
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,079
It's kind of weird, but that's just the

1261
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,680
way that that that the the Gazsby rules

1262
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,559
look at it is is you earned it in that

1263
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,160
year, so you expense it in that year,

1264
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,599
and then it just kind of sits in a bank

1265
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:04,559
for you to use in future years.

1266
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:06,160
>> Okay. So, those two things are the

1267
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,160
things that popped up that that amount.

1268
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,160
>> That's that's awesome. That's that's

1269
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,799
better understood by me now. So, if I'm

1270
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:15,440
to regurgitate it, uh the depreciation

1271
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,319
in the public safety building uh was

1272
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:20,640
just barely starting to be shown in

1273
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,640
these reports, and that's kind of the

1274
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,839
biggest part of the bump up.

1275
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:27,359
>> Okay. Thank you.

1276
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:30,319
>> Yeah.

1277
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:31,200
Go ahead.

1278
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,799
>> Are we going to be able to better

1279
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,559
predict the depreciation of the public

1280
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,440
safety building moving forward?

1281
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,880
Uh well, it's not so much about

1282
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,119
predicting it. It's just because because

1283
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,680
the depreciation's fixed and it's known.

1284
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,640
It's just that it doesn't show up on the

1285
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,280
reports that you generally see from me

1286
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,000
every quarter. It only you only see it

1287
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,359
in the governmentwide financial

1288
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:55,839
statements at the end of the of the

1289
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:59,280
audit year. And and so again, one thing

1290
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200
that was talked about here that we're

1291
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,079
sort of committed to do in our office is

1292
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,200
just to do a better job at either

1293
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,640
working with um our CPA and getting that

1294
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,119
kind of Rosetta Stone

1295
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,839
um kind of situated or maybe we end up

1296
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,000
drafting these financial statements and

1297
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,920
then the CPA reviews it so that we have

1298
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,000
a little more ownership in it and can

1299
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,319
explain it better. Um there's just some different ways we can

1300
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:29,680
do it so that it makes it more

1301
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,829
transparent.

1302
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:37,520
» Hey, let's talk about depreciation for

1303
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,160
the next half an hour. I'm just kidding.

1304
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,680
I'd be looking for a motion to approve

1305
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,400
the

1306
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,920
>> We already been talking.

1307
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,599
>> I I move that we approve.

1308
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:48,960
>> So that's We're going to change the

1309
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,799
wording on this. Sorry to cut you off.

1310
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:51,839
Let's accept.

1311
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:54,160
>> Oh. Uh, and I even have it saying that

1312
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,520
on my shelf here.

1313
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,640
>> I I moved uh I motion to accept the

1314
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,880
fiscal year 2024

1315
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,599
through 2025 audit report as has been

1316
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:04,880
presented.

1317
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,000
>> Okay. Motion by council member Dalpaz.

1318
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,119
>> Do we have a second?

1319
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:09,680
>> Second.

1320
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,599
by council member Pver. Is there

1321
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:15,119
any other discussion?

1322
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:16,960
>> All right. This will be a voice vote. So

1323
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,240
all in favor say I.

1324
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,359
>> I.

1325
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:21,440
>> Is there any opposed?

1326
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,640
All right. Our 2024 2025 audit report

1327
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,040
has been accepted.

1328
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,760
Okay. Y

1329
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,400
moving on. Item number eight, our policy

1330
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,319
cash receiping and our discussion and

1331
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:37,119
consideration will be by and of the cash

1332
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:38,880
receiving policy will be by Casey

1333
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,160
Hunaker, our treasurer.

1334
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,760
>> All right, I'm back. Um, so council,

1335
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,359
tonight I just wanted to bring these two

1336
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:50,160
policies before you. Um, with the amount

1337
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,520
of change that we've had in the finance

1338
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,799
department and with the city council as

1339
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:57,760
well, um, I felt like it was a it was a

1340
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,839
good time to review these policies to

1341
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:01,200
make sure that you're all aware of our

1342
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,400
policies and that our finance staff is

1343
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,920
also aware of them. Um, to summarize,

1344
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,359
the last time these policies were

1345
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,119
brought before the council was in April

1346
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,319
of 2022, so four years ago. Um, this is

1347
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:16,160
something I kind of want to start doing

1348
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,680
annually just to make sure that we're

1349
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,520
all on the same page, staying on the

1350
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,319
same page, and making sure that it's

1351
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:25,119
being updated regularly. Um, it just

1352
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:27,760
happened to line up about exactly four

1353
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,720
years um because of the uh spring break

1354
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,559
and everything else that has gone on the

1355
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,599
last few weeks. So, this first policy is

1356
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,359
the cash receiving policy. is the policy

1357
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:40,640
that that tells us what we do when we

1358
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,799
receive a payment, how that payment is

1359
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:46,160
processed through the city to my office

1360
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,799
and from my office to our bank account.

1361
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:53,119
Um the the short the short of it is um

1362
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,520
when we receive a payment up front at

1363
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,520
either public works, they receive the

1364
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,640
checks from the dropbox or the people at

1365
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,319
the front desk at city hall receive the

1366
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:06,480
payment. they will enter it into our our

1367
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,880
software which is now my viewpoint which

1368
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,319
is one of the changes that which is

1369
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:11,760
really the only change that was made to

1370
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,799
this policy was just to include the new

1371
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,680
uh my viewpoint portal um and the portal

1372
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,040
that we have recently switched to. So

1373
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,520
once once it's received they have two

1374
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,359
days to get me that get get that payment

1375
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:31,920
to me to my office. Um, I reconcile

1376
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:38,880
those those cash transactions every morning and then I I take them to

1377
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,839
the bank that day. Uh, I have three days

1378
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:44,480
legally to take we have three days

1379
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,160
legally to get the money from the

1380
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,480
customer to the bank and then um in the

1381
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,319
form of cash or check. And so, um, I do

1382
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:56,319
I, like I said, I do the cash receiping

1383
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:58,559
process every morning. Uh, if I'm not

1384
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,559
available to do it, I have a backup in

1385
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,040
our accounts payable clerk. She she does

1386
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,280
a great job in taking care of that when

1387
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,839
I'm not able to be there. So, um, like I

1388
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:11,359
said, the only lit really the only

1389
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:14,960
change here was under the procedures to

1390
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,839
include the my, uh, the my viewpoint on step two, just to make sure that we

1391
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,720
were making we were all of our all of

1392
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,640
our transactions are being put in

1393
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,079
through my viewpoint or which is the

1394
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,079
community connect portal. My viewpoint

1395
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:32,640
is the the city side of it. And so

1396
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,319
that's where all of our our transactions

1397
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,799
are going into. And then from there,

1398
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:38,640
they're being processed the same way as

1399
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,359
before. So that that's the update for

1400
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:43,440
this cash receiving policy. Like I said,

1401
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,599
there's not a lot of change, just just

1402
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,000
enough to to make it so that we are

1403
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,040
including all the new technology that

1404
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,880
and the advances that we have. So if you

1405
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,319
have any questions, I'm happy to answer

1406
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:57,280
them. Um let's

1407
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,599
>> question here on cash receing page two.

1408
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,040
Well, I'm mine page two number two. City

1409
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,720
employees should not open bank accounts

1410
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,079
outside the control of the city

1411
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:10,480
treasurer, city manager, and finance

1412
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,240
director.

1413
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,160
It feels like we should maybe say you

1414
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,880
can only open a bank account if approved

1415
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,520
by the city manager.

1416
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,520
That that just that just looks a little

1417
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,880
bit too

1418
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,079
open to me.

1419
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,720
>> Okay, I can make that I can definitely

1420
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,240
make that change uh if you'd like. Um,

1421
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,799
so that's to how I interpreted it was

1422
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:39,200
that the you can't you shouldn't be

1423
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:39,839
opening them,

1424
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:40,799
>> right,

1425
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:43,119
>> without the treasurer, the finance

1426
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:44,640
director and the city manager having the

1427
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,520
access. I think statutoily

1428
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,599
>> uh technically it's supposed to be the

1429
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,160
city treasurer and the city recorder

1430
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,920
>> are required to be on the accounts

1431
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,920
because we're the appointed

1432
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:56,480
>> okay

1433
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:56,960
>> appointed.

1434
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,359
>> If it's you that should open that then

1435
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:01,039
we should just be very clear on that.

1436
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,160
It's only you.

1437
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,640
>> Okay. Okay. The other thing I was going

1438
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,880
to ask is do we have any impressed funds

1439
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,440
at the city? Petty funds.

1440
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,440
>> We do have petty cash. Yes, we have we

1441
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,920
have petty cash in at each building. Um

1442
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,640
and then there's some there's a box that

1443
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,000
we use for for events as well for um

1444
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,119
drink trailers and stuff like that.

1445
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:26,950
>> Okay. So, we have five funds, six funds,

1446
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,640
a number of funds.

1447
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,520
>> Uh yeah, so we have we have a number of

1448
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:31,839
them.

1449
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:33,839
>> Okay. I was just wondering usually in a

1450
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:36,079
cash receivingish policy they talk about

1451
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:37,200
that a little bit.

1452
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:37,680
>> Okay.

1453
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,079
>> Do we have a policy on how impress funds

1454
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:41,760
are are managed?

1455
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,920
>> We do. It's uh it's not included in

1456
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,359
here, but I can I can include I can

1457
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:46,319
update it to include

1458
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:48,880
>> Yeah. Just wondering is the So there's

1459
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,799
just instructions, not a policy.

1460
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,480
>> Yeah, there's just instructions and and

1461
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,160
that's just based on the Utah Money

1462
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,599
Management Act of of how the those funds

1463
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,559
are randomly audited.

1464
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,960
>> Randomly audited. you can't do IUS and

1465
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,280
all and those kind of things.

1466
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,039
>> So, I just make a suggestion maybe to

1467
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:08,720
the council maybe to include impressed

1468
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,160
funds just because sometimes they can

1469
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,880
get one of those funds can get out of

1470
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,599
control pretty quick. So, maybe a little

1471
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,520
bit of direction on that. John, I'm not

1472
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,440
sure. John, what do you think about

1473
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,280
impress funds?

1474
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,760
>> Um, so Casey's right. I think we can put

1475
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,440
it down and or bring it to you because

1476
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,559
we do have it written down. Um, but I

1477
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,559
know that three years ago we went

1478
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:34,160
through a a good audit of it and

1479
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,760
tightened up a few controls. Not that

1480
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,640
we'd seen abuse, but just to to verify

1481
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,280
better.

1482
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,960
>> Yeah.

1483
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,880
>> So, I I'll make that suggestion. I guess

1484
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,319
we don't have to have a motion on that,

1485
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:45,280
but

1486
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,440
>> or do we have to have a motion?

1487
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,119
>> You want it included in this policy,

1488
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:50,640
then we should table it until it get

1489
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,920
included in this policy.

1490
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,039
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay. So,

1491
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,359
>> I've made those notes in my in my

1492
01:05:57,359 --> 01:05:58,559
working document as well. So, I'll

1493
01:05:58,559 --> 01:05:59,680
update that and bring it back.

1494
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,280
>> Make a motion to do that.

1495
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,640
>> And I I had a

1496
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:03,839
>> We could have more. Yeah.

1497
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:07,839
>> Yeah. And uh not related, but I I I

1498
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:10,880
would love if it said somewhere that um

1499
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,440
cash the depositing process has to have

1500
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,839
two people. Um I think that would

1501
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:17,599
protect the employees and protect the

1502
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,480
city. Uh is it in here? Is it anywhere?

1503
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,440
It seems like it would make sense to

1504
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,280
uh ensure that whenever cash is being

1505
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,359
taken from the city to the bank that

1506
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:32,000
there's always two individuals together.

1507
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,760
Is that somewhere or should it be placed

1508
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,680
in? I think it should be placed in if it

1509
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,520
isn't.

1510
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,119
>> Yeah. Council Perver.

1511
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,240
>> So I I just want to make sure that uh I

1512
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,359
think we're doing all the right things.

1513
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:46,559
I think the the biggest thing is is

1514
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,079
making sure we're covering ourselves.

1515
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,640
And I think to me staff knows what

1516
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,160
they're doing. I don't want to get too

1517
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,760
far down in the weeds. I think the

1518
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,440
biggest thing is that make sure that

1519
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,359
you're taking care of yourself and

1520
01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:58,960
you're not exposing yourself. And I

1521
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,480
think like John was saying the risk

1522
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,280
assessment that is required for going

1523
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,520
through the audit. Um, as long as we

1524
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,440
pass that and and there's strict

1525
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,200
controls, I don't know necessarily if we need I know we talked about it

1526
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,440
several years ago about two people, but

1527
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,760
I think we vote or we decided against it

1528
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,960
because of something and I don't

1529
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,119
remember what it was. Um, but so if if

1530
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,799
but if you don't feel comfortable, I

1531
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:26,319
think that's the next step. So

1532
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,240
I think internal controls are fine. I

1533
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:29,760
don't think we necessarily need to see

1534
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,039
specific examples in a policy per se.

1535
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:35,599
It's just meeting the the requirements

1536
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,680
in the law and then also making sure

1537
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,680
that you're not exposing yourself to un

1538
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:47,190
undue risk. That's my opinion anyway.

1539
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:54,400
» I truly hope no one feels like this is a personal thing at all. It's I'm I'm

1540
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:55,680
just thinking because I know there's

1541
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,240
other institutions that have similar

1542
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,240
type of policies that just no matter

1543
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,760
what, two people are with the bag and

1544
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,240
take the deposit. And I just think that

1545
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,839
it's an e extra safeguard. And

1546
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,720
so I I mean I I do kind of want to push

1547
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,400
on that idea of two people. I don't know

1548
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,279
if if it makes sense to have a a

1549
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:24,640
financial amount set to it because every amount of money could be

1550
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,359
considered sacred public funds, you

1551
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,759
know. So, I don't know. I I might be

1552
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,159
going overkill, but I maybe we could

1553
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,000
table it and come back with some

1554
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:40,390
different uh some different verbiage.

1555
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,759
Unless if uh if if anyone just wants to

1556
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:45,759
say, "Councilman D pass, you're crazy.

1557
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:46,960
Let's let's leave it be."

1558
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,640
>> Well, I that's okay.

1559
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,159
>> Council member Neighbor wanted to table

1560
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,000
it for to add the petty cash. Is that

1561
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,159
>> in line, John, with what we're that we

1562
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:56,719
>> We can do that.

1563
01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:58,880
>> So, we can table and still come back

1564
01:08:58,880 --> 01:08:59,279
with

1565
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,239
>> Yeah.

1566
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:01,440
>> recommendations or thoughts.

1567
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:02,799
>> Okay.

1568
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,159
>> So, I'll be looking for a motion to

1569
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:07,279
table this policy.

1570
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,600
>> Can I just add one more thing? Um, I

1571
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,719
I'll just put my two cents in that um if

1572
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:15,359
the amount is less than what it would

1573
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,040
cost to have an employee get more um

1574
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,159
like time and a half or after hours or

1575
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:24,640
something like that. If if it costs $20

1576
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,120
per hour to send him to the bank and the

1577
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,120
amount is less than $20, you know, maybe

1578
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:35,189
we can take that into an consideration.

1579
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:39,440
» Okay. Uh can I get a motion to table?

1580
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:39,679
May

1581
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:42,640
>> I motion we table this uh discussion or

1582
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,920
the policy on uh cash receiving? Am I saying that right?

1583
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,640
Anyway, um till a future meeting uh that

1584
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:51,839
we can discuss.

1585
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:53,600
>> Okay, we have a motion by Council Member

1586
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,840
Pver. Do I have a second?

1587
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:56,880
>> I'll second that.

1588
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,960
>> Second by Council Member Neighbor. Any

1589
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,550
other discussion?

1590
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,239
All right, this will be a voice vote. So

1591
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,400
all in favor of tableabling say I.

1592
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,199
>> I.

1593
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:08,880
>> Is anyone opposed?

1594
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,239
>> Okay. This policy has been tabled. Item

1595
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:13,760
number nine is our policy and

1596
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,280
investment.

1597
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,480
This will be discussion and

1598
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,000
consideration of the investment policy

1599
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,360
by our treasurer Casey Hunaker.

1600
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,560
>> Okay. So this policy um there wasn't any

1601
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,560
changes made to this policy from when it

1602
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,400
was presented uh in 2022. Uh, I I

1603
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,480
literally just copied it and pasted it

1604
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:35,199
into a new document so that you guys

1605
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:36,880
could all review it. I I've had some

1606
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,800
people ask me what our investment policy

1607
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,239
is and so I wanted to make sure that we

1608
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:44,320
were all aware of it. So, um, just but

1609
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,840
it really just follows the uh rules of

1610
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,080
the Utah Money Management Act, which is

1611
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,040
my guideline as the city treasurer of

1612
01:10:53,040 --> 01:11:00,080
what we can or cannot do. um and where we can or cannot invest. So

1613
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,320
there's a list of depositories online

1614
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,960
that can be looked up and those are the

1615
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,719
ones that are qualified for us to invest

1616
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:09,520
with and then and we follow those

1617
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,760
policies right now. But I know that when

1618
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,760
I do the deposit and investment report

1619
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,560
every six months, they ask when our last

1620
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,159
review was for the investment policy.

1621
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,159
And so again, I want to make it sure

1622
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:22,239
it's done annually so I can I can say

1623
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:24,640
that I know for sure when the last time

1624
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,520
it was reviewed.

1625
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,280
So if you have any questions, like I

1626
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,960
said, there's there it's really just

1627
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,719
making sure our goals are here um are

1628
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:37,280
safety of the principal, liquidity,

1629
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,800
meaning that we can get to the money if

1630
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,600
we need it, and then our our final goal

1631
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,840
is is yield. So then those are the

1632
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,679
priorities in order. um making sure that

1633
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:47,840
the public money is safe, making sure

1634
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,120
that we have the liquidity to get to the

1635
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,560
public money if we need it, and lastly,

1636
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,159
making sure that the public money is

1637
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:58,960
growing in an appropriate manner. Um

1638
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,679
just like we did with the PTS.

1639
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:03,120
So,

1640
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,120
>> any questions for Casey?

1641
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,880
>> I hate being the accounting nerd here,

1642
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,560
but I can't help myself. So, so what if

1643
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,600
you need to make a transfer between the

1644
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,199
treasures pool and our bank account?

1645
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,520
Does that require

1646
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,560
approval from you and John?

1647
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,560
So I I can initiate those transfers. Um

1648
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,920
and those uh on the back side the state

1649
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,880
system I would I would initiate that

1650
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,199
from the state and it would go into the

1651
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,840
into our bank account and then I as part

1652
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,679
of the procedure I would then send Peter

1653
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:43,520
our finance director a journal entry

1654
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,320
request so that he can move that on the

1655
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,480
books to show that it's being moved from

1656
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,880
the PTIF to the Wells Fargo checking

1657
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,560
account. So essentially he's serving as

1658
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:53,840
the oversight

1659
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:54,159
>> right

1660
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:56,719
>> after the fact but he's seeing that

1661
01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:58,719
>> right and it takes it takes a day or two

1662
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:01,440
for the funds to transfer and so

1663
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:04,000
>> that gives him the the paperwork to know

1664
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,679
when he reconciles the bank account at

1665
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:06,880
the end of the month

1666
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,560
>> what this transfer was and why it was

1667
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:09,280
being transfer.

1668
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,760
>> Okay. Okay. So just a little theoretical

1669
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,760
here because in the money management act

1670
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:18,719
we can invest in high uh quality

1671
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:22,480
corporate bonds if we wanted to. If we

1672
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,719
were to do that, I don't see anything in

1673
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:28,159
the policy that would outline what

1674
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,960
you're authorized

1675
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,440
to make a decision on and who would

1676
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,199
approve that. And and and maybe we're

1677
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,040
just being a little bit the theoretical

1678
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,159
here a little bit, but I don't see any

1679
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:43,840
element of an authorization or a range

1680
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,920
approval protocol if we were in that in

1681
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,520
that scenario of things.

1682
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,520
>> Yeah. So with the investment with the

1683
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,159
investment firm we use meter on that

1684
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,159
John if you go back up one more page to

1685
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:59,280
that table. This is uh this is a table

1686
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,120
from the Utah Manning Management Act and

1687
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,159
it tells us that what is allowable um

1688
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,400
for the different investment instruments

1689
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,960
and so they're able to go up to 10% of

1690
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:09,920
our

1691
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,080
>> of our investment into corporate bonds

1692
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,520
and stuff like that.

1693
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:14,000
>> Yeah.

1694
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,840
>> And and they're able to do that with the

1695
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,280
authorization that we've given them to

1696
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,400
invest those funds

1697
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:18,719
>> Yeah.

1698
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:20,640
>> for us. So I understand that part and

1699
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,440
they're an authorized uh investor per

1700
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,280
the money management act too. So that

1701
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,600
that's outstanding.

1702
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,640
>> Say you were going to make an a a a an

1703
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,560
investment in one of these instruments

1704
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,960
instead of Yeah. on your own instead of

1705
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,120
putting it in the in the state treasures

1706
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,440
pool. Maybe that would never happen and

1707
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,280
this is a moot point. But if it did,

1708
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,440
should we put something like that in to

1709
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:47,830
the investment policy?

1710
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,440
John, what are your thoughts on that?

1711
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:50,960
Um,

1712
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,640
I I hadn't ever really thought about

1713
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,679
that because I I think letting the the firms and the PTIF uh do the

1714
01:14:57,679 --> 01:14:59,679
investing is the best route to go. I'm

1715
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:01,280
not a professional investor. I don't

1716
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,679
know those uh those things as well as as

1717
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:06,560
they do. So,

1718
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,920
>> so maybe it'd be a moot point and we

1719
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,960
don't have to worry about that.

1720
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,239
>> I've never really thought about that.

1721
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,719
Um, but

1722
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:15,120
yeah.

1723
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,400
>> Do you think that would be necessary to

1724
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,400
put it in there, John, or

1725
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,320
>> I mean, not the way we run it, but it

1726
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,400
wouldn't hurt. So, I mean, the idea is

1727
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,159
that this policy will come back every

1728
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:25,440
year.

1729
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,760
>> So, if we wanted to significantly change

1730
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,880
how we do how we approach this, um, it

1731
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,360
may make sense, but it it doesn't hurt

1732
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,239
to have extra protocols. I mean, the

1733
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,040
money management act was enacted what,

1734
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,840
15 years ago now, cuz a bunch of cities

1735
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,920
>> got burned on some higher risk

1736
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,840
investments.

1737
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,640
So, you know, like like Casey mentioned

1738
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,120
in the goals, safety is number one. Make

1739
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,239
sure the money Yeah.

1740
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:55,040
>> is safe before it starts earning. So,

1741
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,159
>> yeah.

1742
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,080
>> So, maybe if we get to a point in the

1743
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,239
sophistication of investing, we'd take a

1744
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:00,960
look at that.

1745
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:01,360
>> Yeah. Okay.

1746
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,000
>> I think so.

1747
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,600
>> Okay, that's reasonable.

1748
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,159
>> Yeah. And and part of this is uh so with

1749
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,000
the money management act we do use the

1750
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,520
prudent person rule prudent person rule

1751
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,120
and that says that investment shall be

1752
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,719
made with the exercise of that judgment

1753
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:17,360
and care under circumstances then

1754
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,920
prevailing which persons of prudence

1755
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,840
discretion and intelligence exercised in

1756
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,360
the management of their own affairs not

1757
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,440
for speculation but for investment

1758
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,760
considering the probable safety of their

1759
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,520
capital as well as the probable income

1760
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,400
to be derived. So that that also I feel

1761
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,480
like kind of covers it is is saying that

1762
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,320
we're not going to invest in anything

1763
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:37,040
that

1764
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:37,520
>> Oh yeah

1765
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,280
>> would be speculative. I understand that.

1766
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,239
Yeah. Yeah.

1767
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,560
>> So my last nerdy comment they'll shut up

1768
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,080
on this.

1769
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,840
>> I know I was walking into the lion's den

1770
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,790
tonight guys.

1771
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,800
As now that I'm more familiar with the

1772
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,320
financial statements in the budget

1773
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:57,120
report, I see we we distribute

1774
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,040
investment income to certain accounts

1775
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,360
and not to other accounts. And I'm not

1776
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,280
sure if that's part of this policy or

1777
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,840
not, but I'm still trying to figure that

1778
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,159
out. When we do that and when we don't

1779
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:11,920
do that,

1780
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,480
is that something that we should try to

1781
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:17,920
tackle in this policy?

1782
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,120
So when we when we did the the meter

1783
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,239
money, uh we specifically took it from

1784
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,719
accounts that were the most healthy. And

1785
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,880
so that's why the meter investment money

1786
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,360
is only going certain spots. Uh the rest

1787
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,360
of the money is typically, you know,

1788
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,760
like if it's a water fund balance, it

1789
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,280
goes to water and general fund. Um I

1790
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,280
think some of our well Peter could tell

1791
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,400
you better and he is still online the very specific accounts with balances

1792
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,920
like our capital improvement stuff

1793
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,199
typically the investments stay there

1794
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:53,199
>> interest earnings. So my my comment is

1795
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,440
on the interest earnings being allocated

1796
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:59,760
to them. So is there a policy on that or

1797
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,040
is it just an accounting uh

1798
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,880
>> just following the Gazsby accounting

1799
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,800
principles?

1800
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,239
Hm. I'm not familiar with that principle

1801
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:13,199
on in on allocating investment income.

1802
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:14,719
>> Well, so the way we've typically have

1803
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:17,520
done it is the fund that has the deposit

1804
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,600
is the fund that gets the interest. So

1805
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,560
if it's a general fund in, you know, a

1806
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,560
balance, then the interest goes to the

1807
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:25,840
general fund.

1808
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,030
>> Yeah,

1809
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,040
that can be a very complicated

1810
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,120
calculation. Is it based on their

1811
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,520
beginning balance, ending balance? I

1812
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,040
don't know. I have to ask the

1813
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,270
accountants.

1814
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,080
» Yeah.

1815
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,080
>> So, so you're asking whe whether or not

1816
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,920
there's an investment um income being

1817
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,000
posted for each enterprise fund.

1818
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:50,480
>> Yeah.

1819
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,679
>> And general fund.

1820
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:52,239
>> Yeah.

1821
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,080
>> Separately. And I would think the answer

1822
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:54,719
is yes.

1823
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:57,679
>> Yeah. And and I'm I'm just asking is

1824
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:00,000
there a policy that identifies that or

1825
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,560
just an accounting protocol that that we

1826
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,120
allocate it that way?

1827
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,120
Peter does have his hand raised again.

1828
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,960
>> Oh, he does.

1829
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,400
>> Well, the accountant.

1830
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,159
>> Yeah. I don't know if we have a policy.

1831
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:15,199
It just The idea is that if the cash

1832
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:18,080
balance is in one fund

1833
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,120
um or the investment balance in each

1834
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,960
different fund

1835
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,560
that wherever that investment balance is

1836
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,000
held, it just kind of makes sense that

1837
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,199
that's where the interest should be

1838
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,199
allocated.

1839
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:30,880
I think that from a technique

1840
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,480
standpoint, we have improvements that

1841
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,080
can be made there.

1842
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,360
But also, and I I don't I we'll I'm

1843
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:38,400
actually going to talk about this a

1844
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,440
little bit later too as well. I I think

1845
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,560
that there's opportunities to decide how

1846
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,199
to do it differently.

1847
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,480
So, if council wants to obligate it or

1848
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,040
to allocate it um in a different way,

1849
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,560
that's that can be done as well. So,

1850
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,159
>> and I guess the only reason why I bring

1851
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:01,199
this up is interest earnings on invested

1852
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,679
cash balances is probably the most the

1853
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:07,360
least restricted money that the that the

1854
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,480
city has. So, with no restrictions on

1855
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:13,510
that,

1856
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,679
maybe you keep it all centrally, maybe

1857
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:18,239
you don't. I don't know.

1858
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,120
Just just an observation on that. Yeah.

1859
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,600
Comment. So, I'll back away from that.

1860
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,040
That's something that that we can think

1861
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,880
about maybe in the in the course of the

1862
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,880
budget because I know those funds are as

1863
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,960
you've mentioned are budgeted. So if you

1864
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,320
were to take that out, you'd have to

1865
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,600
replace them somehow. So So just an

1866
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:41,510
observation and comment on that. Okay.

1867
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,360
» Okay. I'd be looking for a motion to

1868
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:44,960
approve the investment policy as

1869
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,709
presented.

1870
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:51,520
Mayor, I motion that we accept the

1871
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,840
policy um for investment that was

1872
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,400
presented today. Okay. Motion by Council

1873
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,239
Member Pulver. Do we have a second?

1874
01:20:58,239 --> 01:20:59,280
>> A second.

1875
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:00,880
>> Second by Council Member Carney. Is

1876
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,320
there any other discussion?

1877
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:05,920
This will be a voice vote. And so all in

1878
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,040
favor say I.

1879
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:07,760
>> I. I.

1880
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:08,239
>> I.

1881
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,120
>> Is there any opposed? Okay. So this

1882
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,920
policy is passed. Now we're going to

1883
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,280
item number 10.

1884
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,159
request a quick break or uh I can just

1885
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:20,239
scan I can just

1886
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:22,880
>> we will take a yeah well you're going to

1887
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,159
make a motion for a five

1888
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:26,800
>> yeah I I would motion for a quick five

1889
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,239
minute break

1890
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:29,120
>> for the next discussion

1891
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,280
>> y and council member pulver second

1892
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,640
>> I don't like to say saunter

1893
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,000
>> all right

1894
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,199
>> okay all in favor say I all right we're

1895
01:21:37,199 --> 01:28:28,629
have a fivem minute

1896
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:31,360
Yep. All right. Call this meeting back

1897
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:36,310
to order after our five minute saunter.

1898
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,080
All right. Item number 10 is our budget

1899
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,679
with the fiscal year 2026 2027 budget

1900
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:44,719
preparation and planning and discussion

1901
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:47,120
and review will be by our finance

1902
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,480
director Peter Brown.

1903
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:53,679
>> I guess it's finance Tuesday.

1904
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:54,239
>> Yeah.

1905
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:55,920
it's something.

1906
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,080
>> Yeah. Hey, John, do you got that

1907
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,560
PowerPoint? You all had a handout that

1908
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,960
was sent out publicly.

1909
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,400
Um, I've gone ahead and made a

1910
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,040
presentation just because

1911
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,600
helps the public I think kind of digest

1912
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,679
a little bit better.

1913
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:16,239
So, um, and just my what we're going to

1914
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:17,600
go over with tonight is we're just going

1915
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,840
to talk about revenue in the city from a

1916
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,080
very high level and and it's kind of

1917
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,679
based upon discussions we've had in the

1918
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:28,639
citizen budget committee, but also pose

1919
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:32,000
some questions at the end, which I'm

1920
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,520
going to kind of tee off to the to

1921
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,800
council here about different policy

1922
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,560
decisions you might want to make with

1923
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,320
regarding

1924
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,239
revenue. venue predictions and revenue

1925
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:46,159
budgets and and uh spend some time

1926
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:47,760
deciding how you want to deliberate

1927
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:52,000
that. Uh mostly so that you can kind of

1928
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,080
come to consensus to help inform staff

1929
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,120
on how to sort of finalize our budget

1930
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,920
preparations for the end of the month. I

1931
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,520
don't think it has to be binding, but we

1932
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,840
do like to I mean John might be able to

1933
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,760
jump in on that. But I think we like we

1934
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,320
do want to know what you're how you're

1935
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,880
leaning and how you'd want to see us

1936
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,960
sort of look at these um these different

1937
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,239
revenues. So um in this first sheet

1938
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:20,000
here, this just goes over a breakdown of

1939
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,080
how our revenue

1940
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,239
sort of sits.

1941
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:27,679
And you can see that the overwhelming

1942
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:30,719
revenue source is our general tax. And

1943
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:33,920
this is just in the general fund. So

1944
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,280
if you were to add in the enterprise

1945
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,480
funds, it would dilute quite a bit. But let's just talk about general fund

1946
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:41,040
here. Um and that general tax is all the

1947
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,920
taxes, the sales tax, property tax,

1948
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,840
utility tax. Um

1949
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,679
and then and then from there you got

1950
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:52,480
your your intergovernmental allocations

1951
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:55,679
and grants at 9%, miscellaneous revenue

1952
01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:57,440
at five,

1953
01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:59,440
um transfers, donations and fund

1954
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:01,360
balances at 6% which is kind of a

1955
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,400
catchall bucket, licenses and permits at

1956
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,040
three, charges for services at two,

1957
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,679
fines and forures at two as well, and

1958
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:12,400
then investments at 1%. So go to the

1959
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,669
next slide.

1960
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:17,440
So, let's start with our our property

1961
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:21,840
tax. It's 23% of our general fund. Um,

1962
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,639
and and what I've done is I've sort of

1963
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:27,520
defined our revenue in three different

1964
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,120
ways because I guess this is very

1965
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,120
helpful. It's helpful for citizens,

1966
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,760
helpful for council hopefully to

1967
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,280
understand how revenues can be used, how

1968
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,800
predictable they are, as well as how

1969
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,960
much the council has the ability to

1970
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,400
change it. And so with with property

1971
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,320
tax,

1972
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,080
um the first thing I want to point out

1973
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,800
is it's unrestricted. We can spend it in

1974
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,480
anything.

1975
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,400
um really we do have certain narratives

1976
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,280
about how we spend it, but it's not

1977
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,199
necessarily put in a lock box and um

1978
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,560
only released for that particular issue.

1979
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,719
I will get into this a little bit later,

1980
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:11,920
but uh with the new state rules that

1981
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,040
have just come out recently, we do need

1982
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:19,600
if we do decide to have a tax increase,

1983
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,600
um we have to tie it to an expense or

1984
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,120
program until approved. But I'll get

1985
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,760
into that a little bit later, but um for

1986
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,719
the most part it's an unrestricted use.

1987
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:33,040
Um property taxes are very predictable.

1988
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,199
Um we can almost get it down to the to

1989
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,199
the dollar in some instances. Um

1990
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,280
as long as we, you know, obviously catch

1991
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,840
the state reports and sort of keep up

1992
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,840
with that. Um, it's amendable through

1993
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,639
our truth and taxation process,

1994
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:52,719
which although can be quite cumbersome

1995
01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:54,480
and complicated, we you do have the

1996
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:57,120
ability to make changes to that. You can

1997
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,080
cut taxes, you can raise taxes,

1998
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,679
but the budget approach here, um, the

1999
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:04,960
point is is that we need to have

2000
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,840
discussion on it. And I'll again I'll

2001
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,280
talk a little bit about this. I just

2002
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,320
want to give a highle overview of of

2003
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,320
these different buckets. So go to the

2004
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,040
next slide.

2005
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,120
So now we're talking about sales taxes,

2006
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,320
which is almost 50% of our general fund

2007
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,639
revenue, but I'm also including our

2008
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:27,280
utility tax, our motor vehicle tax. I'm

2009
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,920
calling all these sales taxes.

2010
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,320
Um even though they might not be

2011
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,800
technically considered sales taxes just

2012
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,159
because we don't have a lot of control

2013
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:39,440
over them. Um they're based upon how our

2014
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:42,880
citizens interact with um the city.

2015
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,719
Again, the use for sales taxes is

2016
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,239
unrestricted. We can use it for

2017
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:49,280
anything. Um, predictability is is the

2018
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,560
big issue here. Um, it's it's it's

2019
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:56,159
highly variable. Um, there is kind of a

2020
01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:59,040
floor on it. It usually doesn't drop

2021
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,679
um too far unless we have deep

2022
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:04,880
recessions, but it's not uncommon to see

2023
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,400
$500,000 swings in in in uh sales tax

2024
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,120
either one way or the other.

2025
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,600
we don't really have a lot of control

2026
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,639
over it. We just have to be

2027
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:18,960
cognizant of it and there's some

2028
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,480
different approaches. Again, this is

2029
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,440
something that I I'll I'm saving we'll

2030
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:24,719
have a discussion at the end of the

2031
01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:27,679
presentation about um how to sort of

2032
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:30,239
take look at sales tax and what

2033
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,159
approaches need to be made in terms of

2034
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:36,639
budgeting. Next slide.

2035
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:40,480
Licenses and permits. Um,

2036
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:43,840
they're only 3%.

2037
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,000
>> The uses are unrestricted. They're

2038
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,000
fairly predictable. You can change it.

2039
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,560
The way we're sort of doing it now is is

2040
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,360
uh with with the budget, I just look at

2041
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,679
a four-year average

2042
01:34:57,679 --> 01:34:59,199
and then if there's any council approved

2043
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:01,360
fee updates,

2044
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,040
um, that will be considered in the

2045
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,520
budget final budget preparation. So

2046
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:06,800
again, that's one something that we need

2047
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:10,000
to discuss in terms of the fee schedule.

2048
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,199
That's going to be part of our our

2049
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:13,360
budget roll out.

2050
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,000
Next slide.

2051
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,679
This is our intergovernmental bucket. Um

2052
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:23,280
grants and allocations are here. Our our

2053
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,880
BNC road funds come from the the state

2054
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,560
into uh our city.

2055
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,400
the the big thing to point out is that

2056
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,400
for the most part, this particular

2057
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,360
bucket is a restricted bucket.

2058
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,080
Um so whatever we have in terms of

2059
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,000
revenue, we're going to want to have

2060
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,679
matching

2061
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:46,560
expenditures on the other side. And so

2062
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,639
it's kind of a onetoone,

2063
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:50,480
it doesn't always it doesn't necessarily

2064
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,159
help our bottom line or hurt our bottom

2065
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,159
line

2066
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:56,159
um because the again they they it's in

2067
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:59,440
and out. There are some grants that we

2068
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:01,760
can get that are

2069
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,719
um unrestricted, but that's not usually

2070
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:07,440
very common.

2071
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,679
There the allotments and assessments are

2072
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:12,880
typically steady, but grants are highly

2073
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,199
variable. We could have a million

2074
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:16,719
dollars in grants one year and then

2075
01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:18,400
almost nothing the next. It just depends

2076
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,280
on what the federal government's doing.

2077
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,040
It depends on what we've applied for.

2078
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,719
depends on what kind of programs are out

2079
01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:26,480
there.

2080
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:28,800
Tip typically

2081
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,719
what I've seen here in the city is aside

2082
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:33,040
from the COVID grants, this aren't they

2083
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:34,480
aren't a large part of our our

2084
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:37,590
operations.

2085
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,800
Next slide.

2086
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,159
This is our charges for services,

2087
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:46,400
fees, zoning, parks, recreation,

2088
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,800
development.

2089
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,280
These uses are also unrestricted. And

2090
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,080
when I say unrestricted, recognize that

2091
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,800
they're not put in a lock box,

2092
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,800
but they are definitely measured against

2093
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,760
programs as a narrative. And so if we're

2094
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,679
looking at our recreation programs and

2095
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:07,280
we see how much they cost and we have

2096
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:11,600
recreation fees, which help offset that,

2097
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,280
they don't usually cover expenses, but

2098
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,840
they can supplement them. In terms of

2099
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,080
our budget, we just went through some

2100
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,040
rough early estimates and I think our

2101
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,239
fees cover our program expenses, but

2102
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:26,639
they don't cover our staff expenses.

2103
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:28,880
That's just an example.

2104
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,280
They're fairly predictable.

2105
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,800
They could be changed through our fee

2106
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,480
schedule,

2107
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:37,119
our comprehensive feed schedule. I

2108
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:38,639
usually just look at it from a 4-year

2109
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:40,880
average. There's a qualitative

2110
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,800
assessment that you could look at in

2111
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,080
terms of um again an example of this is

2112
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:50,239
um last year I went through a detailed

2113
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:53,520
look at with the trajectory of our

2114
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,920
recreation programs and it looks like on

2115
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:00,000
the overall it's trending down.

2116
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,840
So again we might want to include that

2117
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,800
for example in any assessment in terms

2118
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,520
of looking at recreation fees but

2119
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,360
there's other fees too. I'm just using

2120
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,800
recreation as an example. Next slide.

2121
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,520
Fines and forfeitures almost, this is

2122
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,119
when we have almost the least control

2123
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:20,719
over.

2124
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:23,520
Um they're predictable.

2125
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,679
The fees are set by the state. So I'm

2126
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:29,520
just using a four-year average.

2127
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,400
The next next slide,

2128
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,119
a miscellaneous is kind of a catchall,

2129
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:37,600
but for the most part, the big things

2130
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,080
that hit our miscellaneous revenue are

2131
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,239
rents.

2132
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:43,760
Um,

2133
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,480
when we rent out our

2134
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:49,679
um senior centers, example, any kind of

2135
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:51,520
sale of assets, any kind of merchandise

2136
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,560
sales, the uses are unrestricted. The

2137
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,790
predictions are variable.

2138
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,040
It's not really amendable, but I guess

2139
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,679
you could set prices and you can change

2140
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:07,119
rent costs, but it's not like there's a

2141
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,440
um it's probably more administratively

2142
01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:11,520
structured.

2143
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,440
And I would tend to look at this as I'm

2144
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:14,880
going to look at the lowest of four

2145
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,560
years

2146
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,040
and go, okay, what what's the floor on

2147
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,719
miscellaneous revenue? And I'm going to

2148
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:24,000
sort of pick that as my sort of initial

2149
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,719
guess on the budget. And then I'll do a

2150
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:28,159
little bit of a qualitative assessment.

2151
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:29,440
Are we going to be selling a lot of

2152
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:31,440
stuff this year or are we not going to

2153
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:35,119
be selling stuff? Do we have a lot of um

2154
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:37,199
rental properties that are on the market

2155
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:39,040
or not?

2156
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,520
So, so that's sort of the way I'm going

2157
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,360
to look we would look at um

2158
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:49,270
miscellaneous revenue. Next slide.

2159
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:53,669
So, our investments are 1%.

2160
01:39:53,679 --> 01:39:56,560
And this is our bank interest or our PTI

2161
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,159
interest. We just went we just talked

2162
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:02,960
about that. Um use is unrestricted.

2163
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:07,189
Um

2164
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:09,280
again I think there's an opportunity

2165
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,440
here to maybe talk about where it could

2166
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:13,520
be used.

2167
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,080
It's predictable somewhat steady. It has

2168
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,880
some prediction to it. We don't we can't

2169
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,960
really change it.

2170
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:25,350
So go to the next slide.

2171
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,360
But we do have kind of some ways to look

2172
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,040
at it budgetarily.

2173
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,239
We could just look at where we think the

2174
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:36,239
lowest rates have been the last four or

2175
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:37,440
five years and go we're going to pick

2176
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:40,800
that rate so that we're safe.

2177
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,800
Um,

2178
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,199
and I've highlighted moderate because

2179
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:46,719
that's kind of where we're predicting it

2180
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:48,080
right now. It's kind of what I'm using

2181
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,639
at this point. We can always change that

2182
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:52,560
depending on the risk tolerance of

2183
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,159
council.

2184
01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:56,000
essentially I pulled the Fed rate in

2185
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,600
February

2186
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,320
and used that. I'm probably going to

2187
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:01,760
have to make an adjustment because it's

2188
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:06,080
just gone up. But um

2189
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:07,679
and but you could get a little more

2190
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:10,159
detailed and you could dig into it more

2191
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:11,840
as Casey talked about and try to figure

2192
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,639
out where you think it's going to be. Um

2193
01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:17,199
I think just that for me I just would

2194
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,280
pull a pull up of what the current is

2195
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,840
and stick with it and see and then just

2196
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,760
kind of go that way.

2197
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,679
But then the final thing on this again

2198
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,360
is where should it be budgeted? Where's

2199
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,560
the where does it make best sense? And I

2200
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,719
think that's a question that I'm going

2201
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:35,280
to leave with council is there might be

2202
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,679
different ways in which we structure

2203
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:40,800
this interest rep interest

2204
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,320
revenue.

2205
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,840
It's we're not we're talking about $150

2206
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,320
$200,000,

2207
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:52,080
but um it might make sense to have it

2208
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,280
put in just one fund or we just might we

2209
01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:00,880
just might need to just trip up our our procedures as to how we allocate it

2210
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,800
on over here in accounting.

2211
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,870
Go to the next slide.

2212
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,360
This is our um transfers, donations, and

2213
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:15,199
use of fund balance. The uses

2214
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,040
there's it's a mix of restricted uses

2215
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,159
and unrestricted in terms of when we do

2216
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,880
have a transfer, there's usually a

2217
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,360
reason for it that's set by council

2218
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,080
through the budget process.

2219
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,320
And so for example, if we

2220
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,800
are predicting that um

2221
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,880
our transfers from our enterprise funds

2222
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:40,560
and this and this is also going to be

2223
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,239
like when you see those offsets in the

2224
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:45,119
budget where

2225
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:47,119
different departments charge different

2226
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:50,080
fees to service the the enterprise

2227
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:51,679
funds.

2228
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:55,440
That's that's operating as a transfer.

2229
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:57,280
Again, it's statutory. It's set by

2230
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,760
council as we as we sort of outline it.

2231
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,590
It's highly quantitative,

2232
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,480
but other areas in this uh particular

2233
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,000
bucket like donations are highly

2234
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,239
variable.

2235
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,400
And so for donations, I'm going to

2236
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,239
probably look at the a low floor for

2237
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:19,119
budgeting to be conservative. and then

2238
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:21,600
it transfers and

2239
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,159
in our fund balance typically what we've

2240
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:27,440
done and this is something that uh that

2241
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,040
I wouldn't mind having a discussion

2242
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,520
about is it appears in the past what

2243
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:37,280
we've done is we predict a fund balance

2244
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:41,040
from year one let's say we transfer over

2245
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,840
to year two and then and then

2246
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,440
when I say transfer we use that fund

2247
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:49,920
balance from year one in year two and

2248
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:54,639
then transfer over to the capital fund

2249
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:57,440
for roads and for

2250
01:43:57,440 --> 01:43:59,360
CIP.

2251
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,440
And so we're looking backwards a year

2252
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:03,760
going how well did we do? We're going to

2253
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,040
use some of that and then we're going to

2254
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,679
transfer it in year two and it might

2255
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:10,080
make sense to look at it in terms of

2256
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:14,239
year one funding year one. And um at

2257
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:16,080
least that's something I'd like to have

2258
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:22,310
maybe a little more discussion on. Um,

2259
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:27,350
next slide.

2260
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:30,960
Outside of the general fund, we have

2261
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,520
other different types of revenue

2262
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,199
sources.

2263
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:38,000
First is our transportation utility fee,

2264
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,679
which was talked about by that gentleman

2265
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:43,600
earlier today, is $15 charge.

2266
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,600
The the thing you got to point out is

2267
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,360
that it is restricted only to roads.

2268
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,199
Um, which is why it's a fee and not a

2269
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:53,040
tax because it basically charges for

2270
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,360
services.

2271
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,920
It's fairly predictable because we can

2272
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,920
do it. We assess it on the basis of

2273
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:01,600
those

2274
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,040
um those planning term PDIs or PUIs or

2275
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,199
whatever. I'm trying to remember the the

2276
01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:11,199
term. But you can change it. but it's

2277
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,679
quantitatively assessed.

2278
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:17,590
Next slide.

2279
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:22,480
Impact fees. Impact fees are used to

2280
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:25,360
um pay for

2281
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,280
development that is tied to growth.

2282
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,360
So when we have developments coming into

2283
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,719
our city to build housing,

2284
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:36,400
they pay an impact fee that's supposed

2285
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,159
to go towards all of the plumbing

2286
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:40,159
underneath

2287
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:41,920
and

2288
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,199
also parks. There's a there's a piece of

2289
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:47,679
it for public service

2290
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:51,440
that is defined by engineers

2291
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:54,560
and that becomes sort of our budget

2292
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:00,639
and we can we can make changes on it if you need to. Uh and we have an

2293
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:02,239
opportunity to we can always look at

2294
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:05,199
these and and make changes to those

2295
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:08,000
particular impact fees.

2296
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,679
But for the most part for the budget,

2297
01:46:09,679 --> 01:46:11,360
they're quantitatively assessed. There's

2298
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,440
not a lot of necessarily wiggle room.

2299
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:15,360
It's going to be dependent upon the

2300
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:21,440
developments that are going in and how they get assessed.

2301
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:25,510
This next slide.

2302
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:29,040
Our utility fees are what we pay for our

2303
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,320
water, sewer,

2304
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,669
um,

2305
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:39,119
garbage services,

2306
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:42,080
and they're restricted to our utilities.

2307
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,960
So, when we pay for those fees, they

2308
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,239
have to be used in that fund for

2309
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:50,960
services and upgrades. They can't be put

2310
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,960
anywhere else. They're fairly

2311
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,600
predictable in their being able to put

2312
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,600
them in the budget.

2313
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,600
You can change them against that going

2314
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,239
down to that highlighted

2315
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:04,639
uh bullet point down there as part of an

2316
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:07,440
overall fee discussion.

2317
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:09,440
They're tied directly to operational and

2318
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:12,400
capital costs.

2319
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,310
Next slide.

2320
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,400
So now that I've gone through all the

2321
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,320
different sort of overall

2322
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:28,159
understanding of our different fees and different pieces of our fees or

2323
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:30,480
sorry our revenues different pieces of

2324
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:34,320
our revenues in the city budget.

2325
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:35,679
What I'm going to do on the next few

2326
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:38,639
slides is pose some questions and I

2327
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:40,880
think we can take a break if you want to

2328
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:43,760
pick up and have a discussion on this.

2329
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,320
Um this is sort of where I'm giving you

2330
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,000
an opportunity to either ask me

2331
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,800
questions or ask each other questions.

2332
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,639
But we're hoping to sort of get your

2333
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:54,639
feeling or flavor on some of the some of

2334
01:47:54,639 --> 01:47:56,880
these questions and it might we might

2335
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,119
not get it all tonight but to understand

2336
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:02,239
sort of what your feelings are.

2337
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:04,880
So starting with fees,

2338
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,560
do we feel that our service levels are

2339
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,159
adequate?

2340
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:09,760
Well, if they're not, we might need to

2341
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:13,440
improve our services and raise our fees.

2342
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,679
If they feel like they are adequate,

2343
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:17,280
then you know that goes into the

2344
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,239
question as well. How are our impact fee

2345
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:21,440
levels compared to surrounding

2346
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:24,470
communities?

2347
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:26,960
How do our how do we how do we look at

2348
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,400
our fees related to different types of

2349
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,639
planned growth?

2350
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:35,280
So if we have planned growth in

2351
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,239
commercial versus residential,

2352
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:40,639
how does that sort of how how does that

2353
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:43,440
flavor differently?

2354
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,360
There's the question of overall citizen

2355
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,679
burden. So

2356
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:51,360
a lot of times we look at taxes and fees

2357
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:54,080
in completely different universes,

2358
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,159
but there might be an opportunity to

2359
01:48:56,159 --> 01:48:58,960
look at this holistically

2360
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,320
and see how the impact to the citizens

2361
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:09,510
are when you add it all together.

2362
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,639
» So that that I'll leave that with you.

2363
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:14,000
Are there are there any thoughts on this

2364
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,920
or questions you want to bring up or

2365
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,880
um points you want to debate? I'm kind

2366
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,239
of leaving the floor open on this

2367
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:24,480
particular slide.

2368
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:26,080
>> Peter, can I ask a question on the

2369
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:27,280
holistic view?

2370
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:27,760
>> Yeah.

2371
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,040
>> So, what you're what you're talking

2372
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,520
there is you're talking

2373
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,639
total total cost by citizens including

2374
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:36,639
property taxes,

2375
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:40,229
sales taxes.

2376
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:42,400
Yeah, I mean sales tax are kind of

2377
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,520
interesting. I don't know if I would

2378
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,560
include sales taxes, but

2379
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:50,480
>> but sewer, water, etc., etc.

2380
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,080
>> Tough the tough.

2381
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,119
>> Yeah.

2382
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:54,639
>> Just look at that burden, how it

2383
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:57,679
shifted. um and at least sort of kind of

2384
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:00,639
compare and contrast and see, you know,

2385
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:12,239
if that burden is um justifiable, if it's needed. It's uh just an area where you might

2386
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:21,910
want to kind of take a look at it and sort of assess that.

2387
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,280
Council member Fulber.

2388
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,320
>> Um I guess one thing and this could be I

2389
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,400
don't remember which meeting is because

2390
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,239
landing commission budget committee and

2391
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:32,000
this meeting tend to merge together in

2392
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,239
my brain sometimes. So apologize I don't

2393
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:35,760
remember which meeting but they were

2394
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,960
talking about how property tax um how

2395
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:42,400
our our differentiation between citizens

2396
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,400
not citizens but uh personal and

2397
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,040
commercial was off. And I think

2398
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:48,480
everybody understands that and I think

2399
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:51,520
that's why we're planning growth types

2400
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,719
is and and Scott can can attest to this

2401
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:56,320
is that that's part of what planning

2402
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,760
commission is doing right now. Um and

2403
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,520
the training stuff tomorrow about you

2404
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:04,960
know how do how are we changing our um

2405
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:08,400
general plan to accommodate andor switch

2406
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,760
certain zones so that we can u rep

2407
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,239
prioritize what we're doing because uh

2408
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:15,920
once we're built out we're built out. we

2409
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:17,920
can't start. Oh, sorry. We need a

2410
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:19,119
commercial here. You're going to have to

2411
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,440
clear off and rebuild something else.

2412
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:23,119
It's just not possible. So, I I guess

2413
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:25,199
that's the point is, you know, we can

2414
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,360
plan stuff, but I think what you're

2415
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,840
talking about, Peter, is is how how are

2416
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,600
we painting the picture for the average

2417
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,719
citizen? And I think um not so much I

2418
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:36,080
don't know about the holistic view. I

2419
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:37,920
think the the the big thing is

2420
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,560
understanding the budget year to year.

2421
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:44,159
And I think um I think that and I keep

2422
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:46,800
hammering on this is the two- pager and

2423
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,159
I think you know Sunset and some other

2424
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:52,480
uh North Salt Lake I think have have a

2425
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,880
pretty good um I don't know about

2426
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,280
Riverdale but um they have a good idea

2427
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,639
of how they project you know what we're

2428
01:52:00,639 --> 01:52:02,480
going to do for this coming year. And I

2429
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:05,119
think that's that to me I think is is

2430
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:07,440
something we need to strive for whether

2431
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:10,000
or not you know

2432
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,159
we can talk about you know pay to serve

2433
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:15,520
type of thing. Um the the budget

2434
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:16,800
committee is going to tackle some of

2435
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:21,350
that. Um especially

2436
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,280
everything and I think and that that's

2437
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:24,239
what the budget committee is supposed to

2438
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:27,280
be is nothing's off the table. um you

2439
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,920
know the senior center I is there ways

2440
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:31,679
that we need to adjust certain things

2441
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:34,080
there uh you know aquatic center we've

2442
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:35,760
talked about that extensively of whether

2443
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,159
or not we're we're balanced there I

2444
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:39,920
think we are in my opinion I think we

2445
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:41,840
have the rec programs balanced where we

2446
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,880
need it um I think that's the policy

2447
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,679
that if you're paying for

2448
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:50,159
you know

2449
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:53,920
playing to play basketball and just FYI

2450
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,760
to John that one sheet that they came up

2451
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:57,599
with for the wreck activity I think was

2452
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:01,040
one of the best things I've seen come

2453
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,320
anyway from a department ever. So we'll

2454
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:05,920
talk about that later. But the the key

2455
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,560
thing is I think is projecting out each

2456
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,520
one of these departments where we're at

2457
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:14,480
and we see things going up or down. Um

2458
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:15,920
like you were talking about for each one

2459
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:17,920
of the revenues. That should be the same

2460
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,199
thing with expenses as well. But um for

2461
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:23,599
wreck fees I think I think we're

2462
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:26,400
monitoring that. I think that's the sunk

2463
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:27,920
cost is staff and I think we've all

2464
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:29,119
agreed to that. I don't know if anybody

2465
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:31,119
else has opinion on that but I think

2466
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:34,960
we're there. So um and I think we've

2467
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,280
always talked about going through

2468
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:40,480
expenses and you know yellow sheets etc.

2469
01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:44,560
But I think we need to as a city focus

2470
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:47,840
more on coming up with revenue first

2471
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:49,679
before we start talking about expenses.

2472
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:52,400
And I think um I know revenue especially

2473
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:55,280
the sales tax part of it is which is a

2474
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:57,440
good chunk of of how we're figuring out

2475
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:00,960
stuff is brutally hard to to estimate.

2476
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,599
Um but I think in the long run that's

2477
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:08,080
going to be kind of our savior is if if we come up with a number in revenue

2478
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:11,679
and then expenditures is way off we got

2479
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:13,520
to figure something out. So, but I I

2480
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:15,840
think to to back into a budget is kind

2481
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,840
of what I've been seeing lately and I

2482
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:19,520
don't necessarily agree with that. But

2483
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,840
anyway, sorry talking too much.

2484
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,440
>> So, when when you're talking revenues,

2485
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:25,119
you're you're looking at growth patterns

2486
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:27,920
in each revenue. And then what that

2487
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,080
would suggest

2488
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:33,440
if the growth is down,

2489
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,119
biting the bullet and reducing the

2490
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:37,119
expenses then is what which is what

2491
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:38,239
you're saying there. if the growth

2492
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:39,599
pattern suggests that

2493
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:41,280
>> true and I think one of the biggest

2494
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,960
things is if you sales tax itself

2495
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,280
sometimes is

2496
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:49,119
what I'd want to avoid if there's an

2497
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:52,880
expense that we have to do um like this

2498
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,440
uh 20 the end year that we just finished

2499
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,119
up last June 2024 2025 I think that if

2500
01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:01,280
you have

2501
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,119
if it forces you into even thinking

2502
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:05,840
about a property tax increase wait and

2503
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:09,920
think I mean to Um,

2504
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,119
could we increase certain revenues based

2505
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:15,599
on better estimate, not better

2506
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:19,360
estimates, but more rosy estimates? And

2507
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,440
then in the end,

2508
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,760
if there is a deficit, then we can pull.

2509
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,280
And I know people yell at yell and

2510
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:26,960
scream at me, especially the the former

2511
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:28,639
mayor, about that, but I think I had him

2512
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:30,159
turning the corner on that last at the

2513
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:32,560
audit committee meeting. because we had

2514
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:36,080
like Peter said over 500k in that end

2515
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:40,800
year when we had a five was it no 9.5

2516
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:42,639
propert tax increase and so that's to me

2517
01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:45,520
that was like a a cringe type you know

2518
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,080
because we didn't need to so the whole

2519
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,440
point is that we need to but you know we

2520
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:52,880
make a decision based on the data that

2521
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,840
we have you know you have to like sketch

2522
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,920
your brain and restart you know once

2523
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,560
again because you can't be so worried

2524
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:01,760
about that that you're going to do that

2525
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,400
again and again. So if we can have

2526
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,440
better data, better guesses so that we

2527
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,560
can not do that again. I think that's

2528
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:11,679
the key thing.

2529
01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:14,159
>> So Peter outlined for each revenue

2530
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:17,520
stream predictability

2531
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,840
and in some of those predictability

2532
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,599
elements he's built in a reserve because

2533
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:28,239
they're so unpredictable. So you're not arguing against that? No, but

2534
01:56:28,239 --> 01:56:29,760
I just don't want to be so conservative

2535
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,560
that we, you know, are are in the whole

2536
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:33,119
>> Yeah.

2537
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:35,679
>> 500K when we don't necessarily need to

2538
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:38,159
be. Yeah. If I'm making sense. But maybe

2539
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:39,520
start that way.

2540
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,520
>> And I think we usually do that. Be

2541
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:43,679
conservative. Expenditures are a little

2542
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:45,599
bit heftier than we thought based on

2543
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:47,520
what the policies that we decided on,

2544
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,400
which is staff, you know, raises and

2545
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,199
whatever and buying a snow plow or

2546
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:56,080
whatever, you know, that we have to do.

2547
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:57,760
So then we do bite the bullet and either

2548
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,480
raise taxes or we have done this in the

2549
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:03,119
past. Pull from the reserve.

2550
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:05,599
>> Yeah. And I think I think I heard Peter

2551
01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:08,880
say pull from the reserve in the current

2552
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,719
year so it's not thrown over the fence.

2553
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:15,360
So that's that becomes

2554
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:19,360
part of a way to be to help us. Yeah. To

2555
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,760
help us if we're wrong somewhere. I

2556
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,040
guess

2557
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:25,360
>> I just think it's more transparent. But

2558
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:27,280
I also kind of want to understand the

2559
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:28,960
reasoning

2560
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:32,560
for um why it was done the way it was

2561
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,679
done. I think there's a I think that was

2562
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:37,119
there's an argument to be made that you

2563
01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:39,760
want to see what you've done first

2564
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,159
and make sure you've got that surplus in

2565
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:44,480
and then go ahead and move it over to

2566
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,920
your capital funds. Um

2567
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:49,840
but I think you can also do that in the

2568
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,239
same year. You don't necessarily have

2569
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,639
to. I've done that in the past budgets

2570
01:57:54,639 --> 01:57:56,480
I've worked on where I've had a surplus

2571
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:59,920
I've been able to move um into like a

2572
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:01,760
capital fund.

2573
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,880
But uh it may and it just may to me just

2574
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,520
means there's more to explain to the

2575
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:09,760
public as to why you see a use of fund

2576
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,400
balance from a prior year.

2577
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:16,159
Uh and maybe that's okay. So um you know

2578
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:17,760
I just want to make sure we at least

2579
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:18,960
understand that there might be

2580
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,679
discussion point to be had there.

2581
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:23,840
Peter, I've seen a a kind of a hybrid

2582
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,679
there of a current year surplus where

2583
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:30,400
you use a surplus to help plug holes,

2584
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:33,760
but you still transfer some over to help

2585
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:34,960
the next year, too.

2586
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:36,800
>> And that's a discussion that we've had

2587
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,840
in previous years is a lot. And I think

2588
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:42,560
John, you mentioned last year, every

2589
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:43,840
year we know we're going to have a

2590
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:46,560
surplus in our revenues of two to

2591
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,080
300,000. We don't know where it's coming

2592
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,000
from because some departments come in

2593
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,199
over under depending but we use that

2594
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,280
money to go to capital improvement fund

2595
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,800
for the following year. We can roll that

2596
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:58,159
into our budget and but then are we

2597
01:58:58,159 --> 01:58:59,440
saving anything for the capital

2598
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:01,119
improvements? That's the discussion we

2599
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:03,119
should be having is do we want to be

2600
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:05,520
saving our surplus or do we want to use

2601
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:06,719
it in the budget?

2602
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:08,719
>> And that's what we're going to figure

2603
01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:09,199
out.

2604
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:13,109
>> Yeah.

2605
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:14,000
» All right. All right. Well, let's go to

2606
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:18,960
the next uh um discussion. And this goes

2607
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:20,480
to

2608
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:26,000
uh sales tax. Um because you know,

2609
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,199
Chris, you just talked about that this

2610
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:30,000
is 50% of our budget.

2611
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,599
Um

2612
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:33,920
and so I'm just kind of lining out some

2613
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:36,480
different approaches.

2614
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:39,040
Again, we can do what council wants to

2615
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:43,119
do, but I just this is I want you to see

2616
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:45,199
my kind of thinking on this that you can

2617
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:46,960
help me figure out what makes best

2618
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:50,800
sense. So, for example, if I'm going to

2619
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,360
be conservative,

2620
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,510
I might uh

2621
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:00,719
essentially keep my

2622
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:03,440
sales taxes flat. And that's sort of

2623
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:05,599
where I've got it sitting right now on

2624
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:09,280
the budget going forward is I'm is I

2625
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:11,679
just don't know what going on in the

2626
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:18,960
country with wars and rumors of wars and so I'm thinking if we just hold it

2627
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,599
steady that's probably a good

2628
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:24,320
conservative move.

2629
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:27,840
However, it might be fine to tie it to

2630
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,880
like the CPI for example. So, and CPI's

2631
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:34,800
gone up and down. Um, and it's gone back

2632
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,840
up again just recently, but a month ago

2633
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,320
it was 2 2.5%.

2634
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:42,639
So, you could say, well, let's just t

2635
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:45,840
tag it to CPI, maybe do an annualized

2636
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:51,920
CPI and say that's a good um estimate.

2637
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:56,239
It might help us under it might help us

2638
02:00:56,239 --> 02:01:01,119
um might hurt us, but yeah, that's a

2639
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:02,960
risk that you're willing to take. We

2640
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,040
could do that.

2641
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:09,840
And then it just goes up from there. So, I've got this predictive analytical

2642
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:13,119
where I can start digging into

2643
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:17,280
forecasting models and um and we can do

2644
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,320
that as well and it's resource intensive

2645
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:22,239
but it might help us improve our

2646
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:24,880
long-term accuracy. I know when I was at

2647
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:28,320
St. George last week at UGFOA.

2648
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,199
There's just this is a huge discussion

2649
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,440
point with uh finance directors all over

2650
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:36,400
the state looking at the way that the

2651
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,119
sales tax just kind of undulates. It's

2652
02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:42,480
big one month and then down the next and

2653
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:44,320
the predictability and the trends and

2654
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:46,480
trying to figure out better ways to to

2655
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:50,390
kind of forecast.

2656
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,960
But at the same point, it's it's if we

2657
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,480
could do it really well, we would all

2658
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,040
quit our jobs and go work on Wall Street

2659
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:01,360
and make lots of money. So, um, so

2660
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,280
that's just something that I wanted to

2661
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:05,679
throw out there and and see what council

2662
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:07,760
thinks and kind of give me your thoughts

2663
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:11,109
on it.

2664
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:13,599
» Yep. Go ahead. So, I think the biggest

2665
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:16,719
thing um that I've done over the in the

2666
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:19,920
past years is to kind of look at what

2667
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:22,960
year-over-year sales tax does. And

2668
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:24,960
obviously, it's you know that's only

2669
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:26,880
point that's half of it and then the

2670
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,400
other half is population which we got

2671
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:31,840
I don't know what the proper term is. I

2672
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:33,679
don't know what I can use here but we

2673
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:35,360
got uh

2674
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:36,560
>> say what's your opinion on our

2675
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,639
population? our population should be

2676
02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:41,119
more than what should be more than what

2677
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:43,679
it uh is that they're saying it is.

2678
02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:47,599
Anyway, so um with that kind of that hit

2679
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:48,639
basically

2680
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:50,880
>> and this is I think Pulver's kind of

2681
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:54,080
guess was like 100 150k per year that we

2682
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:57,840
took a hit. So uh but I'm hoping that

2683
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:59,840
we'll flip come one July that they'll

2684
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:01,760
figure out that oh we don't just look at

2685
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:03,040
schools, we also have to think about

2686
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:04,719
home schools and private schools.

2687
02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:07,360
Anyway, sorry that's a long story, but

2688
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:11,119
um year-over-year sales tax is going up.

2689
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:14,159
I don't think we've ever had a and what

2690
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:17,040
I was looking at less than 3% and I

2691
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:20,239
think the average was close to five and

2692
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:21,760
uh so that I think that's the number

2693
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:23,840
that I've always been trying to push. I

2694
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,760
know last year we kind of uh went way

2695
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:28,320
conservative but and that might be fine

2696
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:33,040
but I think the key thing is is if we're

2697
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:35,760
playing with a number that is 50% of of

2698
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:38,480
what we use in general fund then you

2699
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,440
know it needs to be pretty freaking

2700
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:44,560
accurate and so um sorry go ahead

2701
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:45,679
>> no I agree

2702
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:46,080
>> agree

2703
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:47,280
>> I was trying to come up with a word

2704
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:47,599
anyway

2705
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:49,440
>> so of those three options which one

2706
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,000
would you recommend this year

2707
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:53,599
>> this year I don't think we have time to

2708
02:03:53,599 --> 02:03:55,199
do the the last one, the green one. I'd

2709
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:57,280
say definitely blue one, if not be a

2710
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,159
little bit more, I say risky. I don't

2711
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:02,000
know if that's the right word, but apply

2712
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,280
5% based on what we see what we're going

2713
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:06,639
to get. You know, obviously everything's

2714
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,480
two months behind, which sucks.

2715
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,480
>> Um, anyway, go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead,

2716
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:11,360
Peter. I cut you off.

2717
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:12,960
>> Oh, no. I was just going to say I think

2718
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:15,599
your sort of year-over-year analysis is

2719
02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:18,239
similar to the CPI kind of

2720
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:18,800
>> Yeah.

2721
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:20,800
>> approach. It's it's another way you can

2722
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:22,800
do it. I I didn't put it in here, but I

2723
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,080
definitely think that's a way we can

2724
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:26,080
look at it.

2725
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:27,679
>> Yeah. And I it's just one of those

2726
02:04:27,679 --> 02:04:29,760
things that you can start graphing it

2727
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,400
and seeing kind of a trend even in the

2728
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:34,239
down quote down years and there's never

2729
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,800
been a negative year. But that, you

2730
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:39,199
know, like you said, the best way to the

2731
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:40,480
most conservative way to do is just make

2732
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:43,199
it flat. That's easy. But if you come

2733
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:44,800
out in the end that, oh well, we really

2734
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,639
want to give uh the staff 3%. then we're

2735
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:50,560
going to have to raise taxes by 25%.

2736
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,599
Maybe refigure your sales tax just to

2737
02:04:53,599 --> 02:04:55,679
Anyway,

2738
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:57,599
that's just my thoughts.

2739
02:04:57,599 --> 02:04:59,040
>> So, what's the rest of the council's

2740
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:05,910
opinion on our thoughts on sales tax?

2741
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:07,040
» Yeah, go ahead.

2742
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:10,560
>> Do we already have an aotment

2743
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:16,070
or saving for capital?

2744
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:18,960
Do we have that in the plan or if we

2745
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:21,119
were to miraculously guess the exact

2746
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:23,360
number then nothing would be added to

2747
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:25,679
capital?

2748
02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:27,679
>> Oh, so we're just using what we've used

2749
02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:32,800
in the past which is 300,000 for um is

2750
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,639
it roads and then two 279 for CIP or

2751
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:38,800
it's one or the other.

2752
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:40,239
So, we're just we were kind of doing

2753
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:43,199
this model in the past where we were

2754
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:45,599
doing that pulling the fund balance in

2755
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:47,599
from in the prior year and then

2756
02:05:47,599 --> 02:05:49,520
transferring that that that amount out.

2757
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:52,080
It was been pretty it's been pretty set

2758
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:53,920
and that's sort of what I've got

2759
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,840
established

2760
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:00,550
at this point. Um

2761
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:03,119
» so if we're mimicking previous years

2762
02:06:03,119 --> 02:06:05,440
then it seems that we would have an

2763
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:07,760
investment to capital funds whether or

2764
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:11,760
not um whichever option we choose here

2765
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:14,000
it won't be that capital funds left with

2766
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:18,229
no increase.

2767
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,239
Yeah, I mean that's the conservative

2768
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:24,239
model still predicts us moving

2769
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:26,880
um money to capital,

2770
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:28,400
>> right? But I'm just saying if we didn't

2771
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:30,800
choose that option, would anything get

2772
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,400
moved to capital?

2773
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:41,430
>> You could do more.

2774
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:44,639
» Maybe I'm not making sense. Sorry.

2775
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:47,840
But if all I'm saying is we

2776
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:49,760
if I'm looking at a conservative if I'm

2777
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:51,119
saying I'm going to take a real

2778
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:53,040
conservative approach with sales tax

2779
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:55,599
that conservative approach encapsulates

2780
02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:57,520
the fact that we're going to move

2781
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:59,119
$579,000

2782
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:00,639
to capital.

2783
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:01,199
>> Yeah.

2784
02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:03,040
>> If we

2785
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:08,320
um take a more assertive model, we might

2786
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:10,800
be able to move more or do other things

2787
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,040
with it.

2788
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:14,639
>> Okay. Thank you.

2789
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:16,400
>> In your conservative model, are you

2790
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,280
saying no increase on sales tax?

2791
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:22,639
>> Correct. Sorry, it's not clear in here.

2792
02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:25,440
It's budgeted flat. It didn't get

2793
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:27,360
transferred over. It's clear on your

2794
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:29,360
sheets, but not in the PowerPoint.

2795
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:32,079
>> In the predictive conservative,

2796
02:07:32,079 --> 02:07:35,840
and you're saying tied to CPI, is that a

2797
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:38,000
would you guess that's a 3 to 5%

2798
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,320
increase in sales tax revenue?

2799
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:41,599
>> Well, when I looked at it, it was like

2800
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:44,400
2.5%. Oh, 2.5.

2801
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,430
>> Yeah.

2802
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:50,079
» So, it's that's one way that governments

2803
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:52,159
have done this is they they've ti tagged

2804
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:54,880
it to CPI. And the nice thing about that

2805
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:58,560
is it's it's quantitatively assessed.

2806
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,400
So, you don't, you know, you just do it

2807
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:02,320
and if you're off, you're off, but at

2808
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:05,360
least you can justify how you did it.

2809
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:08,800
>> You don't get fired for guessing.

2810
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:12,639
>> Yep. I in my few years of being on the

2811
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:17,280
council, I find myself each year uh kind

2812
02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:19,199
of overthinking what's happening in the

2813
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:23,360
moment. So, uh I I think kind of closer

2814
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:26,159
to what the CPI numbers would be a great

2815
02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:28,159
approach this year for the budget.

2816
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:30,960
>> Uh an example would be, oh well, we just

2817
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:35,040
had 3% 3.4% inflation this month. The

2818
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:37,119
economy is going to go to crap. We're

2819
02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:38,960
all everything's going to burn. You

2820
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:41,440
know, I find myself each year, I can't

2821
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:43,119
think specifically of each year, but

2822
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:44,480
almost every year there's something that

2823
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:47,440
happens that I feel emotionally like I

2824
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,560
need to react to it. Uh but the the

2825
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:52,960
numbers have shown in those few years

2826
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:54,960
that it always does go up by a

2827
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:57,199
reasonable percentage. Now, there could

2828
02:08:57,199 --> 02:09:00,000
be that off year that it goes flat or

2829
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,719
goes slightly down or goes slightly up,

2830
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:04,800
but I I would feel comfortable being in

2831
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:07,760
the 2 to 4% range or something like that

2832
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:10,000
for our prediction.

2833
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:11,679
>> I would feel comfortable with that as

2834
02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:15,040
well because if you look at Utah and its

2835
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:16,960
economic growth compared to the rest of

2836
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:19,679
the nation, I mean, we seem to continue

2837
02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:25,360
to do very well there. So, I think 2.5

2838
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:30,550
would be a good target. Also,

2839
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:32,880
I would go higher, but I'm just, you

2840
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:34,960
know, I just have this conservativism

2841
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,679
kind of buried in me a little bit. So,

2842
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:40,880
going to the blue makes me riskier, but

2843
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:42,000
not much.

2844
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:44,480
>> Higher now. It's closer to three

2845
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:46,400
something.

2846
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:47,840
>> Yeah. Well,

2847
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:53,430
>> but that's tied to the war, so

2848
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:56,000
Okay. Did we Did we add money to our gas

2849
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:57,920
budget this year?

2850
02:09:57,920 --> 02:09:59,920
>> We did. Actually, we did.

2851
02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:00,480
>> Okay.

2852
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:02,320
>> In some areas we did we did that in

2853
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:05,119
other areas we just we figured we could

2854
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:08,159
we Yeah, we we looked at it pretty

2855
02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:10,719
thoroughly the other day.

2856
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:14,400
>> All right. Sweet.

2857
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:14,800
>> Okay.

2858
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,000
>> All right. Next one.

2859
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:19,109
>> Yep.

2860
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:21,920
John, you need to push the button. Thank

2861
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:22,639
you.

2862
02:10:22,639 --> 02:10:26,320
>> All right. Property taxes.

2863
02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:28,000
And really, I wanted to just go through

2864
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,520
and tell you how things have changed a

2865
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:31,199
little bit.

2866
02:10:31,199 --> 02:10:34,239
So, if

2867
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:38,719
we do a property tax, we have to

2868
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:41,920
designate in our budget an allowance for

2869
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,880
that expenditure. In other words, we

2870
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:46,880
can't obligate

2871
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:51,679
any funds for that planned property tax

2872
02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:55,360
until that property taxes is a approved

2873
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,960
and b certified by the state.

2874
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:01,199
And I've got to show it in our books.

2875
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:04,960
So, what that tells me is I need to find

2876
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:08,000
either positions or programs that would

2877
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,679
correlate to that increase.

2878
02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:13,599
That gives us a couple of different ways

2879
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:15,440
of it gives us a different way of

2880
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:16,719
thinking about it than we have in the

2881
02:11:16,719 --> 02:11:20,639
past where we just say, well,

2882
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:22,960
we raise property taxes and then that

2883
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:25,599
gives people raises or we raise property

2884
02:11:25,599 --> 02:11:29,280
taxes so we can um help improve the

2885
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:32,000
public service, the public service or

2886
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:35,040
the public safety sector. Now, it has to

2887
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:37,440
be a little more dialed in if that makes

2888
02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:38,719
sense.

2889
02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:40,320
And so what happens is I put something

2890
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:43,760
on the books that says here's where that

2891
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:46,079
if we're going to raise taxes, here's

2892
02:11:46,079 --> 02:11:47,920
where that expense is going to go, but

2893
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:49,599
I'm not going to touch that budget until

2894
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:52,000
the tax rate is certified. If it's not

2895
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,800
certified, it stays as an allowance on

2896
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:56,480
the budget. It just it doesn't get

2897
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:59,280
touched. If it does get certified, then

2898
02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:01,599
I can start spending it. And it's kind

2899
02:12:01,599 --> 02:12:03,520
of weird because we don't get property

2900
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:06,639
taxes until the end of the year. So, the

2901
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:08,639
revenue is not going to come in, but

2902
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:10,000
what the state wants to make sure is

2903
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:13,119
that we're not obligating those funds

2904
02:12:13,119 --> 02:12:15,040
before the rate actually gets approved

2905
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:17,040
and certified.

2906
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:18,480
>> Does that make sense?

2907
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,079
>> When's the timeline for the

2908
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:21,840
certification? You say at the end of the

2909
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:22,960
year?

2910
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:25,040
>> September, I think, is when the gets

2911
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:27,840
certifi when it gets certified.

2912
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,480
Maybe it's August. September

2913
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:32,560
was when it is when they come back and

2914
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:34,480
actually certify the rate. all the

2915
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:34,960
truth.

2916
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:36,159
>> We have to set the rate

2917
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:37,440
>> in August.

2918
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:39,199
>> Yeah,

2919
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:42,000
we have to set the rate

2920
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:46,159
and then we get truth and taxation

2921
02:12:46,159 --> 02:12:48,079
and then there's a bunch of different

2922
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:50,480
procedures that we have to do to alert

2923
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:52,000
the public that are kind of new this

2924
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:53,520
year

2925
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:56,639
um about that. We have to have a a

2926
02:12:56,639 --> 02:13:00,560
narrative that shows what that property

2927
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:04,159
tax increase is going for. And it could

2928
02:13:04,159 --> 02:13:06,000
be just as simple as we're going to fund

2929
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:09,280
two new positions.

2930
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:12,480
So it sort of gives it a sense of you

2931
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,400
either raise the taxes or you don't fund

2932
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:16,400
the positions.

2933
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,119
>> And that it just that's sort of the

2934
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:20,639
narrative that it's going to play out

2935
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:22,800
with the public.

2936
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:25,440
And then at the end of that whole

2937
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:28,560
process and the truth and taxation

2938
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:31,040
and you go ahead and set your rate and

2939
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:32,880
then

2940
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:34,719
the state has to look at it and they

2941
02:13:34,719 --> 02:13:37,119
decide we did everything right, dotted

2942
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:40,560
every eye, crossed every te then they'll

2943
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:42,639
certify it and then once it's certified

2944
02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:45,119
then we can obligate those

2945
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:47,040
um and say there are two positions we

2946
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:49,280
would then go out and hire these two

2947
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:51,760
positions.

2948
02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:53,599
And so

2949
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:56,000
we see our role as staff is to determine

2950
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,239
if the tax increases needed to fund

2951
02:13:58,239 --> 02:14:00,800
additional programs and positions once

2952
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:04,719
we look at all the other revenue sources

2953
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:06,639
and then we'll come back at the end of

2954
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:09,840
the month and say yes we think no we

2955
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:11,679
don't think.

2956
02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:14,079
Um, I have to actually present a

2957
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:15,360
statement, I believe, along with the

2958
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:19,360
mayor that that uh sort of lines this

2959
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:23,040
out in a more clear way,

2960
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:26,560
but you you can also determine

2961
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,599
to say we disagree or what we'd like to

2962
02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:32,960
do is we don't like your you say you

2963
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:35,199
want to fund these two positions. We

2964
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:37,840
think it would be better served to, you

2965
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:40,800
know, restrict

2966
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:42,800
some other program or something.

2967
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:43,199
>> Yeah.

2968
02:14:43,199 --> 02:14:45,920
>> So, the power free tax isn't passed or

2969
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:48,320
if it is passed, it'll fund this program

2970
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:51,280
over here or buy these widgets.

2971
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:53,679
And that's really up to that's something

2972
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:55,840
that you could then

2973
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:57,440
point back to us and go this is what

2974
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:59,280
we'd like to see that sort of allowance

2975
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:04,320
or restriction sort of set aside if the

2976
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:08,480
tax passes or doesn't pass.

2977
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:10,719
>> Does that make sense? John, do you have

2978
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:12,079
any color for this? You've been looking

2979
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:15,840
at it a lot as well.

2980
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:19,119
>> Uh we So it is a complicated process.

2981
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:20,800
We're going to we're going to actually

2982
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:23,280
over provide information to the

2983
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:25,920
residents so they can be involved. Um

2984
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:29,119
and the the biggest thing is that until

2985
02:15:29,119 --> 02:15:31,840
we hit the dates in June, the number is

2986
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:33,199
going to be a little bit flexible. We're

2987
02:15:33,199 --> 02:15:34,560
just kind of announcing, we're talking

2988
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:36,960
about it. In June, we have to pick the

2989
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:39,599
number we think we want and then in

2990
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:42,400
August you will actually adopt a number.

2991
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:45,599
Um there is obviously the option of uh

2992
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:47,679
Peter could announce that we are

2993
02:15:47,679 --> 02:15:49,040
thinking of doing a property tax

2994
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:50,960
increase in May and then in June the

2995
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:52,400
council could say you know what we've

2996
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:54,159
reworked the budget it's not necessary

2997
02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:56,079
and we just adopt the final budget and

2998
02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:58,639
move on in June. So that's an option as

2999
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:01,199
well. That's the cleanest option. Um

3000
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:03,760
other than you know we probably need to

3001
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:06,239
look at uh programs or things that maybe

3002
02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:09,920
are uh need to be scaled back.

3003
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:13,280
Does this affect uh uh if I remember

3004
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:15,520
correctly the yearly increases to

3005
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,719
employees is like July 1st. So is does

3006
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:22,000
this does this affect that since uh if

3007
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,639
the property tax a potential property

3008
02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:28,079
tax was tied to employee increases?

3009
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:30,639
Would we have to wait until the c

3010
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:32,880
certification in August or September?

3011
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:35,120
>> Only if it is tied to it. So that that

3012
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:36,639
comes to the property tax impact

3013
02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:38,960
statement. It will specifically say

3014
02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:40,639
these are the departments being funded

3015
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:42,719
by the property tax. And so if it's tied

3016
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:44,880
to it, then yes. If it's not, then no.

3017
02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:45,519
>> And I would

3018
02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:47,200
>> or the tax increase.

3019
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:49,040
>> I would make the recommendation we don't

3020
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:53,679
tie it to wages or wage increases

3021
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:54,800
unless you want to become very

3022
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:56,000
unpopular.

3023
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,160
>> Well, no. I just I I was wondering if

3024
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:00,639
it, you know, how that would play out.

3025
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:03,200
I'm not saying it would be great. I just

3026
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,120
if that's literally how I just needed to

3027
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:08,000
understand it. But it's also uh

3028
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,679
technically it would be a lot it would

3029
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:12,240
be really challenging.

3030
02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:15,280
We basically have to have an allowance

3031
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:18,479
um line in every single department.

3032
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:20,399
It's just easier to to pick three or

3033
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:21,840
four things

3034
02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:23,280
>> and say, "Hey, these are the things that

3035
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:25,760
we really need in the city. We cannot do

3036
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,559
it if we don't have the property tax

3037
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:30,960
or in in some instances depending on the

3038
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:33,840
budget year. if we don't get this, we're

3039
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:35,519
gonna have to cut these programs or

3040
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:39,200
we're gonna have to, you know, um, phase

3041
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:41,760
out these positions. We're not in that

3042
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:44,080
position, but that's also one way you

3043
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:47,200
can kind of look at it is but to sort of

3044
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,080
like grab a few things instead of like

3045
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:52,639
having it peppered throughout the entire

3046
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:55,280
budget. I think that makes it a little

3047
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:58,240
easier to wrap your head around.

3048
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:01,040
>> What are we looking like in uh benefits?

3049
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:02,559
Are we thinking there's going to be an

3050
02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:05,519
increase there or not? I mean, Peter,

3051
02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:07,200
are you have you looked at that yet?

3052
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:08,559
>> Yeah, I think Yeah, John's going to be

3053
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:10,880
talking about that in a second, but but

3054
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:13,359
I think we're like anticipating an 8%

3055
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:17,349
increase.

3056
02:18:17,359 --> 02:18:18,719
» 8%.

3057
02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:20,880
>> Yeah. To health benefits.

3058
02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:21,760
>> Oh.

3059
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:24,319
>> So, question I had with property taxes.

3060
02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:26,240
We have a policy that says all property

3061
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:29,519
tax goes to police. Do we need to change

3062
02:18:29,519 --> 02:18:31,280
that policy?

3063
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:34,000
because we can't pick projects and other

3064
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:35,840
stuff unless it's directly related to

3065
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,479
police right now. So if we have other

3066
02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:40,639
citywide projects,

3067
02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:42,160
we would not not be able to use property

3068
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,479
tax for them.

3069
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:46,719
The way our policy states right now,

3070
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:58,469
John, did that correct? We need to reop.

3071
02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:00,880
» All right, I got one more. I got one

3072
02:19:00,880 --> 02:19:04,160
more slide and then I'll be done. Um,

3073
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:05,679
just

3074
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:07,519
I want you to think about our overall

3075
02:19:07,519 --> 02:19:10,000
budget approach when it comes to our

3076
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:13,200
fund balance and and this kind of goes

3077
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:15,920
back to the audit discussion to some

3078
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:21,040
extent. Um, because

3079
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:24,000
we could be very

3080
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:27,760
conservative again. We could say we're always going to plan a zero

3081
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,760
balanced budget.

3082
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:33,280
Recognizing as the year goes on,

3083
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:35,439
um if we were conservative in our

3084
02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:37,920
revenues, we're going to estimate

3085
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:41,200
um low on the revenues, hoping that we

3086
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:43,359
actually get some savings in additional

3087
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:45,359
revenues. And we're going to estimate

3088
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:48,559
high on the expenses

3089
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:50,560
with maybe some potentially unplanned

3090
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:52,880
expenses. And then

3091
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:54,720
but if we estimate high, there's a good

3092
02:19:54,720 --> 02:19:56,880
chance that we're going to come in low.

3093
02:19:56,880 --> 02:19:59,600
And that's one way you can do it.

3094
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:01,680
Um

3095
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:03,600
but you but you could also try to be

3096
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:04,880
more accurate with some smaller

3097
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:09,760
variances. and and uh

3098
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:11,760
you know so

3099
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:14,160
I'm just pointing out that if we are are

3100
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:17,120
a little more predictive at that and

3101
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:19,040
when I say predictive I I think it's

3102
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,840
very difficult to

3103
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:24,720
if you plan for a zero budget

3104
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:28,800
and you come in at like $10,000 over I

3105
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:32,479
that's a really hard number to thread

3106
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:35,200
but if you're say like a 100 to $300,000

3107
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:38,240
over. That's probably a sufficient or

3108
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:42,399
that's probably a a really good um

3109
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:47,349
prediction for your zerobased budget.

3110
02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:51,359
And there's just some pros and cons.

3111
02:20:51,359 --> 02:20:53,280
You know, the pros to that is it

3112
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:56,560
improves your forecasting accuracy.

3113
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:57,840
Sounds like we need to do a little more

3114
02:20:57,840 --> 02:21:00,720
of that.

3115
02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:03,600
But there's also some risks that if you

3116
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,000
are off, you could have you could you

3117
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,160
could land a deficit

3118
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:09,840
um and then recognize that there's

3119
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:12,880
higher um resource inputs for greater

3120
02:21:12,880 --> 02:21:17,680
accuracy. So it just takes a little more investment in that to kind of come

3121
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:19,920
up with that right number.

3122
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:22,160
And then the other approach and and I'm

3123
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:26,960
going to be honest, I've kind of come at this at this with this secondary

3124
02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:29,120
approach because I've worked in a lot of

3125
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:30,960
scarcity

3126
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:35,280
um in my in my job in the past with as a

3127
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:37,840
financial officer where there's just

3128
02:21:37,840 --> 02:21:40,479
been a lot of scarcity. And the best way

3129
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:42,560
for me to point is to be the I'm the

3130
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:43,840
truck driver on the road and I'm going

3131
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:45,439
to I'm going to drive as far away from

3132
02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:49,280
the cliff as I can. Um although he's on

3133
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:50,880
the wrong side of the road, but you get

3134
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:54,800
my point. Um

3135
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,080
that way you're kind of almost

3136
02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:58,800
guaranteed to avoid a deficit. One of

3137
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:01,120
the other things that that you may not

3138
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,200
know about is that when the auditors

3139
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,080
come in and do our audits,

3140
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:09,120
they they're it's funny what they care

3141
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:10,800
about, what they don't care about in

3142
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,280
terms of budget

3143
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:16,240
um budget planning.

3144
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,000
for example, they don't want to see that

3145
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,880
our departments go over budget.

3146
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:23,439
Um, statutoily, we we're not supposed to

3147
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:25,280
go over budget. So, the police

3148
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:26,880
department says we're supposed to spend

3149
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:28,640
$200,000.

3150
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:31,920
We can't go over $200,000.

3151
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:34,000
And so part of this conservative

3152
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,720
approach is to ensure that we're not

3153
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,399
we're keeping ourselves out of hot water

3154
02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:42,080
with findings and with even possible the

3155
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:43,520
state could come down and say you guys

3156
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:45,520
over spent

3157
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:47,040
um

3158
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:50,399
is the city owes the citizens and you

3159
02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:52,640
also are personally liable Mr. Peter

3160
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:54,720
Brown because you approved that

3161
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:56,800
expenditure

3162
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:58,479
and so we're going to come after you as

3163
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:00,399
well. We're trying to keep our

3164
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:02,160
departments and our our city out of hot

3165
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:04,479
water on a department basis to make sure

3166
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:06,640
that we're under budget.

3167
02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:08,800
Um they don't necessarily care if it's a

3168
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:12,240
little bit over. Like I think reporter's

3169
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:15,520
office in 25 was like 30 bucks over.

3170
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,280
That's not what they're talking about.

3171
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:19,280
>> There's a materiality test there too.

3172
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:21,840
But but they

3173
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:23,760
that's sort of kind of one thing we're

3174
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:27,680
looking at in terms of of conservativism

3175
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:31,200
in the in the sense of expenditures, not

3176
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:33,520
necessarily revenues.

3177
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:35,840
Um but again, if we are too

3178
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:38,640
conservative, we risk breaching rainy

3179
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:40,720
day limits. We risk perceptions of

3180
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:42,880
excess funding

3181
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:45,439
um by the public. and we had that weird

3182
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:47,840
circumstance where we thought we needed

3183
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:50,160
a tax increase, but guess what? We

3184
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:53,760
probably didn't kind of a deal. So, this

3185
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:55,280
is sort of the last thing I wanted you

3186
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:57,600
to kind of chew on and then I'll be

3187
02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:03,190
done.

3188
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:07,359
I'm in favor of the surplus guarantees,

3189
02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:09,040
but I'd like to hear you guys' opinion

3190
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:12,950
as well.

3191
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:16,800
I would say I've been in

3192
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:19,760
higher ed for 40 years

3193
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:23,110
and

3194
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,920
you never have to apologize for being

3195
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:29,600
conservative. You might be criticized,

3196
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:33,120
but if you're too aggressive,

3197
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:35,680
you're placed at risk.

3198
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:38,960
I mean, that's just that's just the the

3199
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,200
world that I lived in there. And it

3200
02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:43,359
feels like I live in this world, a

3201
02:24:43,359 --> 02:24:47,439
similar world here. So,

3202
02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:49,520
yeah. So, I I'm supportive of what

3203
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:51,359
you're saying, even though I did go to 2

3204
02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:54,319
and a half% increase on the budget on

3205
02:24:54,319 --> 02:24:57,600
sales tax.

3206
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:59,439
So I guess the one thing that always

3207
02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:01,200
comes to my mind is

3208
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,120
>> because there's there's ups and downs

3209
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:06,399
that um cyclically that we we know about

3210
02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:11,120
i.e. the elections that um I know we've talked about well you can't really

3211
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:13,200
plan for you know you can't budget for

3212
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:15,040
something that's not in that year. Well,

3213
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:16,479
there's got to be a way that we can

3214
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:18,720
smooth some of the the spikes that we

3215
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:21,120
see for stuff that is not on a

3216
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,800
year-to-year basis, but we know that

3217
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:24,240
it's going to be every third year or

3218
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:26,160
every whatever so that you can divide it

3219
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:27,920
and kind of smooth it out because that's

3220
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:29,920
what's killing us. At least from my

3221
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:31,840
point of view, when you see these boom,

3222
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,680
these spikes every other year or

3223
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:36,160
something like that, um that that kills

3224
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:37,760
us when it comes to the budget. And I

3225
02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:40,240
think if you can smooth those out, which

3226
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:42,560
may lean towards the left, being more

3227
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:45,600
accurate on your predictions, I don't

3228
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,600
know. I guess I always lean by the fact

3229
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:49,680
that I don't want to tax anybody. But if

3230
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:52,399
you lean towards the right where it says

3231
02:25:52,399 --> 02:25:53,520
everything, you know, surplus

3232
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:56,800
guaranteed, you have to tax every year.

3233
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,359
That's that's almost a a guarantee

3234
02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:02,720
because um with like you said I mean I

3235
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:04,800
was just looking it up is eight benefits

3236
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:08,160
go up eight to to 12% a year on average

3237
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:09,840
and then you have if you want to give

3238
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:11,760
staff raises and what's the biggest

3239
02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:13,840
what's this biggest expenditure in our

3240
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:17,520
city budget salaries bottom line and so

3241
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,600
if you want to say that you want to have

3242
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:21,600
guarantee a surplus with all of those

3243
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:24,399
automatic increases that we see in the

3244
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:28,160
biggest expense that we have you're

3245
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:31,040
guaranteed a big tax increase every

3246
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:33,280
year. So I to me I think there's a

3247
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:35,280
better way to to get there and I don't

3248
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:37,280
know obviously this year you know we're

3249
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:40,160
kind of already in it. Um, but I think

3250
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:42,399
we need to push for

3251
02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:44,000
more, you know, what Peter's talking

3252
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:45,280
about, four year average or something

3253
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:47,280
like that or something that drives

3254
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:50,880
towards uh understanding the accuracy

3255
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:54,160
because I know I know the the budgets u

3256
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:57,280
for individual apartments are very very

3257
02:26:57,280 --> 02:26:59,200
accurate and you see in the yellow

3258
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:00,960
sheets every year if there's a swing

3259
02:27:00,960 --> 02:27:02,720
it's not that much unless there's a big

3260
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:05,680
expense um you know be it computers or

3261
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:09,040
something else but they do tend to do

3262
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:11,920
computers every, you know, not just 17

3263
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:13,760
in one year and zero in the other. They

3264
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:15,280
do try to smooth things out. I think

3265
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:17,760
that's the key thing is if we can smooth

3266
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:19,600
over the years, that that's going to

3267
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:22,399
help us understand what we're doing. Um,

3268
02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:24,319
and I still think that some of that

3269
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:26,319
depreciation really should be banked to

3270
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:27,920
go buy a snowplow or something, but

3271
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:31,200
that's another discussion. Anyway, so I,

3272
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:32,720
you know, to me, I think we should be

3273
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,520
pushing to the left, but you know, I

3274
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,160
understand that more conservative means

3275
02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:40,399
you're going to have less issue with

3276
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:43,280
risk, but at the same time, I'm not It's

3277
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:44,800
hard to look somebody straight in the

3278
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:45,920
face and say, "Yeah, we raised your

3279
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:48,399
taxes 10%, but we made a million5 last

3280
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:52,640
year." You know, I How do you, you know,

3281
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:54,640
that's that's what I worry about more

3282
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:57,840
than digging into the rainy day fund for

3283
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:01,040
500k is explaining why you just took

3284
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:02,479
more money from you when you didn't need

3285
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:02,880
it.

3286
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:05,280
>> But I like what you say, moving towards

3287
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:08,880
accuracy helps, not a million dollar. It

3288
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:11,200
might be keeping you at 300, but

3289
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:11,760
>> yeah.

3290
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:12,560
>> But yeah,

3291
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:15,120
>> right. So, historically, and maybe this

3292
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:19,840
is where I need to be corrected, we're only having a $200 to $300,000

3293
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:23,280
excess. Is that correct, John? About

3294
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:26,000
>> uh so this in previous years, we

3295
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:28,800
budgeted $500,000 as an excess to go to

3296
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:32,720
capital in excess of BNC road funds. Um

3297
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:34,240
>> and this year in the budget, currently

3298
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:35,680
we have 200,000.

3299
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:37,359
>> So, if we're This is where I'm going to

3300
02:28:37,359 --> 02:28:38,960
need some help from some some of these

3301
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:41,920
CPAs. If we have a $12 million budget

3302
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:45,040
and we have a $200,000 excess,

3303
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:46,560
how much are we actually what's our

3304
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:51,910
percentage of saving?

3305
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:52,800
» Well,

3306
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:54,560
>> we're pretty we're pretty close to both

3307
02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:54,800
eyes.

3308
02:28:54,800 --> 02:28:55,520
>> Pretty accurate.

3309
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:56,880
>> Yeah, we're pretty accurate.

3310
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:59,920
>> Yeah. Generally, you would say 15% is a

3311
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:02,800
conservative reserve of the total 15% of

3312
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:04,319
your budget.

3313
02:29:04,319 --> 02:29:05,840
>> So, we're a lot lower than that.

3314
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:07,680
>> We're a lot Exactly. And that's my point

3315
02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:09,840
is we're I think we're doing

3316
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:12,080
>> we had some surplus, but in my opinion,

3317
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:13,760
I think we're pretty dang close to

3318
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:19,910
bullseye.

3319
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:23,600
» I see what what I can see both sides. Um

3320
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:27,920
my hesitance is that if we play heavy on

3321
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:30,240
the risk side, what happens halfway

3322
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:33,520
through the year? um if there are some

3323
02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:35,120
things happening, do we always have the

3324
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:37,520
rainy day bund budget or a fund that we

3325
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:39,680
can just pull from or is that when

3326
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:40,880
halfway through the year we have to

3327
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:42,479
scramble and have some kind of emergency

3328
02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:46,160
where we have to um you know make some

3329
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:47,760
drastic changes halfway through the

3330
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:50,640
year? Uh so I I I'm nervous about that.

3331
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:54,319
I would rather not have to cancel things

3332
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:57,760
um let go of employees, you know, um pay

3333
02:29:57,760 --> 02:29:59,920
our employees unfairly. I I would rather

3334
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:03,439
be able to um confidently move forward

3335
02:30:03,439 --> 02:30:06,800
with the plans that we have in place. So

3336
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:09,359
um I guess what I'm saying is I feel

3337
02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:13,200
like we've been pretty accurate so far.

3338
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:14,960
>> John, can I ask you a question? With the

3339
02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:17,439
strategy of 500,000

3340
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:20,800
during COVID that when when it hit, was

3341
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:22,720
that was that an adequate reserve to

3342
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:24,240
handle

3343
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:27,359
without cutting salaries or positions?

3344
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:28,640
Uh for us it was Yeah,

3345
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:29,200
>> it was.

3346
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:29,680
>> Mhm.

3347
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:31,920
>> So that that's that's good then.

3348
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:32,319
>> Mhm.

3349
02:30:32,319 --> 02:30:35,429
>> Yeah.

3350
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:38,880
» Which during COVID we actually cut

3351
02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:42,560
council stipens and some other staff and

3352
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:44,000
they were only cut for a couple months

3353
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,880
because sales tax came screaming in.

3354
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:48,560
Right. It was a lot higher than

3355
02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:49,200
projected

3356
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:52,399
>> the local uh the Amazon tax.

3357
02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:52,720
>> Yeah.

3358
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:53,600
Saved us.

3359
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:54,240
>> Yeah. Exactly.

3360
02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:55,520
>> Thank goodness for Amazon,

3361
02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:56,240
>> right?

3362
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:56,880
But

3363
02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:57,439
>> during

3364
02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:58,640
>> it didn't hit us like we thought it was

3365
02:30:58,640 --> 02:30:59,280
going to hit us.

3366
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,520
>> But thank goodness that res that reserve

3367
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,399
mentality that we've had here. We

3368
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:08,399
survived a pretty dramatic time frame

3369
02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:10,319
>> and we keep talking about risk and I

3370
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:12,399
guess I want to identify at least what

3371
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:16,080
people are talking about risk. Um and

3372
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:19,280
because that's

3373
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:21,840
JD isn't that your job risk stuff or is

3374
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:23,600
that am I making that up?

3375
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:24,800
>> Yeah, it's a little bit

3376
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:29,040
>> a little bit. Anyway, for our job, it's pretty ginormous and you have um

3377
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:33,120
basically um it's green, yellow, red,

3378
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:34,960
and it's based on certain criteria in

3379
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:38,319
your X and Y axis. And one of them is

3380
02:31:38,319 --> 02:31:40,720
the not opportunity, how much it's going

3381
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:43,680
to be. And then the other one is uh the

3382
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:45,600
probability of it occurring. And I guess

3383
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:47,200
that's the question I have is that when

3384
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:49,040
you're talking about risk, to me, the

3385
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:50,960
probability of sales tax coming in

3386
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:54,800
really really low is low. Yeah.

3387
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,319
>> And the amount that it would be under

3388
02:31:56,319 --> 02:31:57,920
would be low. So to me, we're talking

3389
02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:00,720
low low. So anyway, when we talk about

3390
02:32:00,720 --> 02:32:01,920
risk, I just want to make sure that

3391
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,080
we're all understanding that it's not

3392
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:06,640
red. It's not like this is going to

3393
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:08,000
happen and that's going to be $3

3394
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:11,200
million, you know, it's not. So I guess

3395
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:14,000
that's my point is that if

3396
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:16,240
yes, it's more risky, you know, pushing

3397
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:18,960
more revenue into the into the budget,

3398
02:32:18,960 --> 02:32:19,439
but

3399
02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:21,520
>> but our rainy day fund could cover it.

3400
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:21,920
>> Yeah.

3401
02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:22,720
>> So long.

3402
02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:23,040
>> Yeah.

3403
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:24,560
>> Right. I don't I don't know. So,

3404
02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:26,800
obviously, there's there's there's some

3405
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:27,439
>> Yeah. Right.

3406
02:32:27,439 --> 02:32:28,080
>> Okay.

3407
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:29,840
>> Can I say one last thing on on this

3408
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:32,240
before I'm done?

3409
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:34,160
>> And that is it's not a binary. I think

3410
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:37,439
that we can do both. I think that uh we

3411
02:32:37,439 --> 02:32:40,640
can do more to be more accurate.

3412
02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:42,880
I for me, I just want to had that I just

3413
02:32:42,880 --> 02:32:46,240
wanted to have the discussion. It's more

3414
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:48,319
um of a philosophy talk than anything

3415
02:32:48,319 --> 02:32:51,120
else just so I can kind of sense the

3416
02:32:51,120 --> 02:33:00,389
where everybody's sort of at

3417
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:01,680
» and I'm done.

3418
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:05,270
>> Thank you.

3419
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:10,000
» Any other comments to leave with Peter?

3420
02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:12,160
>> Uh we're budget budget committees

3421
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:15,439
tomorrow FYI. Oh, perfect. Were we going

3422
02:33:15,439 --> 02:33:17,600
to touch on this chart that was in the

3423
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:20,560
packet on the salary discussion? Uh,

3424
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:22,000
just to get an idea of what?

3425
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:22,720
>> Yep. I think

3426
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:24,000
>> staff is proposing and

3427
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:25,520
>> that's a John discussion.

3428
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:28,870
>> Okay,

3429
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:29,840
we ready for that then?

3430
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:30,319
>> Yep.

3431
02:33:30,319 --> 02:33:33,680
>> Okay. So, council, this chart that you

3432
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:37,200
all saw, let me Oh, that is the

3433
02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:39,120
that was the staff report, not the staff

3434
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:47,110
chart. There we go.

3435
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:51,280
So, um,

3436
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:53,359
oh, and I have to share it to Zoom so

3437
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:55,439
everyone else can see it too.

3438
02:33:55,439 --> 02:34:01,520
>> Um, so this chart council uh is based on

3439
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:03,200
what we have essentially done in the

3440
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:07,600
past. Um, looking at raises for

3441
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:09,760
employees and typically we've done a

3442
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:12,399
range. Um the idea being that there

3443
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:15,760
would be a 3% minimum and then the last

3444
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:18,720
several years we've done an 8% maximum.

3445
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:20,800
Um and then what the chart shows is

3446
02:34:20,800 --> 02:34:22,800
depending on the different ranges we do

3447
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:25,680
if we went from a 0% increase to a you

3448
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:27,600
know a fixed three for everyone or a 3

3449
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:31,280
to five is it shows how many employees

3450
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:34,960
um would be in theory over market um

3451
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:36,479
meaning they're making a little more an

3452
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:38,479
hour than the average person in their

3453
02:34:38,479 --> 02:34:40,399
position across the state. So, it

3454
02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:42,319
doesn't mean they're, you know, 40% over

3455
02:34:42,319 --> 02:34:44,560
it. They're just higher than the the

3456
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:49,120
middle position. Um, 48 employees would

3457
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:54,960
be 3% or less under. Um, which uh may be

3458
02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:58,640
close enough to the target that they're being compensated fairly because

3459
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:00,720
they're in the range of those that are

3460
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:04,399
in their same positions. Um, and then

3461
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:08,960
three would be still under by 4 to 6%,

3462
02:35:08,960 --> 02:35:10,479
which is where I start getting more

3463
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:12,880
concerned. But obviously the the bigger

3464
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:16,000
concern is the more than 6%. Um, and so

3465
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:18,240
you can see as the different options

3466
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:21,520
across the top go through, a 0%

3467
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,200
increase, if there weren't raises, would

3468
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:26,479
leave 35 employees 6% or more under

3469
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:30,319
market or under what the study says. Um,

3470
02:35:30,319 --> 02:35:32,560
if you did no limit, obviously we we'd

3471
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:34,080
catch everybody up and there wouldn't be

3472
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:35,920
anybody. And the majority of your

3473
02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:38,080
employees would be in the 3% or less cuz

3474
02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:40,319
that includes those that are paid spot

3475
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:43,680
on 100%. Um,

3476
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:46,240
and uh, just as a reminder, our range

3477
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:49,520
for employees is we take the market

3478
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:53,040
average pay based on the TechNet study

3479
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:55,680
and then we we decrease it by 90% to

3480
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:57,120
give us the bottom of the range and

3481
02:35:57,120 --> 02:35:59,520
increase it by or sorry, we decrease it

3482
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,000
by 10% to give us 90% that's the bottom

3483
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:04,720
of the range and then 110% is the top of

3484
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:07,040
the range. Um, the goal is if an

3485
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:09,439
employee has been with the city and in

3486
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:11,359
that position for enough time. So,

3487
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:13,120
they've been a police officer one for

3488
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:15,520
four years that they will be paid the

3489
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:18,080
middle the the middle of the range. Um,

3490
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:19,760
a starting officer would obviously start

3491
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:21,760
at the bottom of the range. And so,

3492
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:24,000
these targets

3493
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:26,080
um are based on their years and their

3494
02:36:26,080 --> 02:36:29,359
position as well. So, you may have three

3495
02:36:29,359 --> 02:36:30,960
PO1s, one ones that's a three-year

3496
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:32,399
officer, one that's a two-year officer,

3497
02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:34,560
one that's a one-year officer. and

3498
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:36,479
they're going to be closer to they'll

3499
02:36:36,479 --> 02:36:39,680
be, you know, on target for their range,

3500
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:42,399
which one of them may be 2% higher than

3501
02:36:42,399 --> 02:36:44,560
the starting salary and one's 4% higher

3502
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:47,600
and one's 6%. Um, they're not all going

3503
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:49,920
to be right at mid-range. So it there's

3504
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:51,680
a there's a lot more complicated in the

3505
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:53,600
back end of this and and we can go into

3506
02:36:53,600 --> 02:36:56,319
that more detail in the future. But what

3507
02:36:56,319 --> 02:36:58,240
I was trying to show is with the

3508
02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:01,120
different financial or the different

3509
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,520
percentage increases what the financial

3510
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:07,520
implications would be. Um in particular

3511
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:10,080
um that the biggest impact is the

3512
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:13,680
general fund where uh

3513
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:16,160
about 70% of our employees are housed in

3514
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:20,080
the general fund. Um and so you can see

3515
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:22,479
that at the range that we would

3516
02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:24,880
typically recommend the impact to the

3517
02:37:24,880 --> 02:37:26,960
general fund or sorry the range that we

3518
02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:28,800
are recommending I should say which is

3519
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:31,120
what we've done in the past the 3 to8%

3520
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,040
the impact to the general fund salary

3521
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:36,880
and benefits is $391,000.

3522
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:40,080
Um and then to the utility funds it's

3523
02:37:40,080 --> 02:37:43,200
about 60 grand. Um, and then you can see

3524
02:37:43,200 --> 02:37:45,520
on that row below

3525
02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:48,240
that is, you know, of the general fund

3526
02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:51,040
budget, currently over in the first

3527
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:54,000
column under zero, we're we spend $6.3

3528
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,800
million on salaries and benefits, which

3529
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:59,760
is not unexpected for a serviceheavy

3530
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:03,040
industry. You know, we don't um the flip

3531
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:06,240
side is you can see on the the enter um

3532
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:08,080
the enterprise, they only spend about a

3533
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:09,200
million dollars on salaries and

3534
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:11,200
benefits. But if you were to look at the

3535
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:13,200
capital outlay and the other expenses,

3536
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:14,720
the budgets are actually almost

3537
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:17,600
identical in the sense that both funds

3538
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:20,160
are spending $12 million, let's just

3539
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:23,439
say. Um, but it's because the enterprise

3540
02:38:23,439 --> 02:38:25,600
funds are heavy on capital, heavy on

3541
02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:27,520
equipment, heavy on those other things.

3542
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:30,160
So, um, they're less of a service

3543
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:34,000
related thing. Um, like I mentioned, my

3544
02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:35,840
recommendation is to stick with the what

3545
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,960
we've done in the past, the 3 to 8%. Um

3546
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:41,200
Katie got a has worked on a spreadsheet

3547
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:43,760
with some other cities um to look at

3548
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:46,960
what they are doing for theirs. Um it is

3549
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:48,720
coming in

3550
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:52,880
around 5 to 6% as but most cities do a

3551
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:57,520
static everybody gets 5 to 6%. Um they

3552
02:38:57,520 --> 02:38:59,040
don't really look at what the market's

3553
02:38:59,040 --> 02:39:02,640
doing or evaluate it. Um, and most of

3554
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:05,120
those are built with a 2% cost of living

3555
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:07,840
increase and then a 3% merit increase or

3556
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:09,600
you might call that a time on the job

3557
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:12,479
increase. Um, and but every city's a

3558
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:13,760
little different, but that is kind of

3559
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:16,319
where it's trending. Um, in the past, as

3560
02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:18,000
we've done the analysis, it's been in

3561
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:22,000
the the six to 7% range. So it seems

3562
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:23,680
like the market's slowing down a little

3563
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:26,000
bit, but I still think we have some

3564
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:28,160
catching up to do because we've by

3565
02:39:28,160 --> 02:39:30,399
holding that 8% maximum increase, we

3566
02:39:30,399 --> 02:39:33,040
still have people who are behind.

3567
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:35,439
>> So what are you suggesting in terms of

3568
02:39:35,439 --> 02:39:37,920
cost of living and merit for us? Do you

3569
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:39,680
do a differentiation there?

3570
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:42,880
>> So we don't differentiate. Um you well

3571
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:44,960
you could argue we do that the 3% is a

3572
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:46,720
cost of living that because that's the

3573
02:39:46,720 --> 02:39:49,359
floor that we give folks. Um, and then

3574
02:39:49,359 --> 02:39:55,439
we do the the 8% as a cap. Um,

3575
02:39:55,439 --> 02:39:57,359
and I I didn't show that on here, but

3576
02:39:57,359 --> 02:39:58,880
like I mentioned, we could have done a

3577
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:01,760
2% as a minimum. Um, one year we did do

3578
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:05,280
just a dollar amount. I I've heard that

3579
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:07,040
Pleasant View is doing a dollar amount

3580
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:08,880
this year. They're just saying this is

3581
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:13,439
the minimum people get um just not that

3582
02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:14,960
they're putting a floor that's a dollar

3583
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:17,520
amount as opposed to a maximum.

3584
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:20,240
You're still doing merit though. Doing

3585
02:40:20,240 --> 02:40:23,200
>> uh Pleasant Muse is not. So every every

3586
02:40:23,200 --> 02:40:25,359
that's a Everybody's a little different.

3587
02:40:25,359 --> 02:40:28,080
Um Ogden based on what we understand is

3588
02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:31,520
doing a 2% cost of living and a 3% merit

3589
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:33,680
and theirs is just every employee gets

3590
02:40:33,680 --> 02:40:35,359
well not every employee gets the 3%

3591
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:37,200
because if you don't qualify for the

3592
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:39,439
full merit, you don't get it. Um if you

3593
02:40:39,439 --> 02:40:41,840
have some reprimands or other things.

3594
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:43,840
>> That was going to be my question is is

3595
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:46,240
any of it based on performance

3596
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:49,920
reviews? Uh so for in our system yes so

3597
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:53,200
the way someone gets their percent score

3598
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:55,680
it does take into account those who have

3599
02:40:55,680 --> 02:40:57,760
performance review issues they can lose

3600
02:40:57,760 --> 02:40:59,520
a percentage point or two.

3601
02:40:59,520 --> 02:41:00,000
>> Okay.

3602
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:03,359
>> Um I you know we don't have a lot of

3603
02:41:03,359 --> 02:41:04,880
employees on performance improvement

3604
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:07,600
plans but there is the the system is in

3605
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:08,319
there.

3606
02:41:08,319 --> 02:41:09,920
>> So high achievers can get a little bit

3607
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:10,960
higher too.

3608
02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:13,760
>> Yeah. Okay.

3609
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:15,280
>> And and the other thing I'll tell you is

3610
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:19,200
not every employee not every not every

3611
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,040
department is allowed to have employees

3612
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,840
at 110% every employee. It'd be awesome

3613
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:26,000
if they could all get there, but just we

3614
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:28,560
have honestly kind of said, "Hey, we we

3615
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:30,479
will have a few superstars in each

3616
02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:32,800
department that can get to that point,

3617
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:36,560
but if everyone was there, then it would feel like the system was broken

3618
02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:37,920
and we were we were

3619
02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:38,319
>> sure

3620
02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:40,000
>> manipulating the numbers." So most

3621
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:42,640
departments might have one um that's at

3622
02:41:42,640 --> 02:41:44,640
110%. The bigger departments might have

3623
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:48,800
more, but we kind of um don't don't let

3624
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:50,160
people wiggle up there unless they

3625
02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:53,040
really are, you know, star performer and

3626
02:41:53,040 --> 02:41:56,880
we can't do without them.

3627
02:41:56,880 --> 02:42:00,080
This sorry this spreadsheet was um I

3628
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:01,600
tried to make it simple, but it probably

3629
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:03,520
was more confusing than helpful out in

3630
02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:05,520
the

3631
02:42:05,520 --> 02:42:08,950
>> It's good.

3632
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:10,960
You said it was going to cost the

3633
02:42:10,960 --> 02:42:13,680
enterprise fund 60,000, but I think you

3634
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:15,200
meant 47.

3635
02:42:15,200 --> 02:42:18,720
>> Uh, so under the 38 8% plan, it's this

3636
02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:19,680
$60,000.

3637
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:22,240
>> Oh, it is number.

3638
02:42:22,240 --> 02:42:25,359
>> And again, there's there's so many

3639
02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:28,560
nuances in this. So, a portion of the

3640
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:31,439
employees that are in this 391,000

3641
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:34,000
number are in motorpool and streets or

3642
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:36,479
motorpool public works inspections and

3643
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:38,720
some of the departments that we that the

3644
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:41,200
enterprise funds pay for. So, a portion

3645
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:42,720
of my salary is paid for by the

3646
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:44,960
enterprise funds. And so, even though I

3647
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:47,200
fall under a general fund employee, a

3648
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:49,120
portion still comes out. So, this

3649
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:50,960
doesn't capture all the nuances of how

3650
02:42:50,960 --> 02:42:53,760
much enterprise is really paying. Yeah.

3651
02:42:53,760 --> 02:42:55,520
>> Um, and that's something I know Peter's

3652
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:57,280
going to go into better detail on at a

3653
02:42:57,280 --> 02:42:58,880
future council meeting that admin

3654
02:42:58,880 --> 02:43:00,720
transfer is what we call it where the

3655
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:02,479
enterprise funds are helping fund

3656
02:43:02,479 --> 02:43:05,359
motorpool streets and then like finance,

3657
02:43:05,359 --> 02:43:07,120
HR and admin.

3658
02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:10,640
>> Yeah. So obviously salaries is the

3659
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:13,280
number one priority

3660
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:16,000
in our budget process. That's very clear

3661
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:19,760
in the discussion today.

3662
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:22,319
>> Yes. I I liked something that the uh

3663
02:43:22,319 --> 02:43:24,960
budget committee talked about um which

3664
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:26,880
helps the employees understand their

3665
02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:30,399
total benefit package. I love the idea

3666
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:32,399
of producing a statement each year that

3667
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:35,760
says uh you know we paid $80,000 in

3668
02:43:35,760 --> 02:43:37,760
benefits or whatever and has it all line

3669
02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:39,680
itemmed out because I think that is a

3670
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:42,800
very very important piece to to people's

3671
02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:45,920
benefits. Um I think it's also important

3672
02:43:45,920 --> 02:43:49,760
to talk about uh the 8% increase in cost

3673
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:52,160
that it's going to be to uh medical

3674
02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:55,200
insurance. Uh there are depending on the

3675
02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:57,840
organization or the government entity,

3676
02:43:57,840 --> 02:44:00,640
everyone handles it differently. Uh the

3677
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:03,279
federal government uh there are people

3678
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:06,080
that sometimes go slightly backwards

3679
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:07,920
because the the federal government does

3680
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:10,880
not adjust that each year. It's a it's a

3681
02:44:10,880 --> 02:44:14,000
fixed percentage that the employee pays.

3682
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:17,040
20% and the government

3683
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:19,439
pays 80%. So no matter what, they're

3684
02:44:19,439 --> 02:44:22,479
taking on a percentage of that increase.

3685
02:44:22,479 --> 02:44:24,960
Um, so I bring that up because I think

3686
02:44:24,960 --> 02:44:27,600
it would be good for our employees to

3687
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:30,319
know if we decide to go forward with

3688
02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:33,600
just absorbing that 8% increase that

3689
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:35,120
they understand that. I mean, it's kind

3690
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:36,960
of nerdy and it's not that exciting for

3691
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:39,439
them to see, but it it is something to

3692
02:44:39,439 --> 02:44:45,040
understand and to say, well, um, uh, the people that are making the decisions

3693
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:48,080
decided to not have that impact their

3694
02:44:48,080 --> 02:44:50,240
wallet. And I think that's important for

3695
02:44:50,240 --> 02:44:52,640
them to know. Um, because I'm just

3696
02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:55,120
thinking of my specific example, my

3697
02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:56,720
personal situation as a federal

3698
02:44:56,720 --> 02:45:01,840
employee. I there's it it's a very uh it

3699
02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:04,560
takes forever for change to happen. So,

3700
02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:06,880
um, the benefits situation, if it ever

3701
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:09,840
needed to be changed, it would take a

3702
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:13,359
literally an act of Congress. So, uh,

3703
02:45:13,359 --> 02:45:15,120
so, um, I just think those are really

3704
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:16,479
cool things that we can point out. I

3705
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:18,720
like the idea of a total benefit package

3706
02:45:18,720 --> 02:45:20,640
being shown to the employee. So, it's

3707
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:23,439
not just the hourly or salary rate. They

3708
02:45:23,439 --> 02:45:25,200
can see it all in in one page.

3709
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:28,960
>> Yeah. In my previous organization I

3710
02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:30,640
worked in, we did that and that was

3711
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:33,200
shocking sometimes to employees to find

3712
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:35,279
out. And good

3713
02:45:35,279 --> 02:45:36,399
>> and good.

3714
02:45:36,399 --> 02:45:39,600
>> And and last year we also budgeted for

3715
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:45,279
an 8% budget or benefits increase and it came in at six. I I don't want to

3716
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:46,640
promise it because we don't get our

3717
02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:48,880
number till November, but we kind of

3718
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:50,479
start talking with our broker about what

3719
02:45:50,479 --> 02:45:54,080
they think we'll see. And um so it's

3720
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:56,800
again we kind of air conservatively and

3721
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:58,960
then um but we did have one year where

3722
02:45:58,960 --> 02:46:01,040
the benefit broker came back with like a

3723
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:04,000
22% from our current provider and so we

3724
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,160
switched providers and found one that

3725
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:08,960
wasn't as high. So, we do expect this

3726
02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:10,240
one to be a little more stable because

3727
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:12,800
we are with the the basically the state

3728
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:17,830
public employee health plan.

3729
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:19,279
» I agree with that. I think it's very

3730
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:21,439
important for them to know for someone

3731
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,439
like me that is self-employed and if

3732
02:46:23,439 --> 02:46:25,680
it's an 8% increase, I see I see it

3733
02:46:25,680 --> 02:46:28,720
straight out. I don't So, it I think it

3734
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:30,720
is good for them to see that that's

3735
02:46:30,720 --> 02:46:37,349
another place they get a raise in a way.

3736
02:46:37,359 --> 02:46:39,520
it. We can do it. Our our budget seat

3737
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:41,680
already kind of builds that into the

3738
02:46:41,680 --> 02:46:43,439
analysis, so it'd be really easy for us

3739
02:46:43,439 --> 02:46:44,560
to share that with them.

3740
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:48,469
>> I love that.

3741
02:46:48,479 --> 02:46:50,319
» So, for discussion tonight, do we want

3742
02:46:50,319 --> 02:46:54,560
to stay in the our historical 3 to 8% or

3743
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:58,560
do would you like to make changes?

3744
02:46:58,560 --> 02:47:01,439
It it is kind of uh seems like it's hard

3745
02:47:01,439 --> 02:47:04,880
to say without knowing what I I haven't

3746
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:07,920
even been given an an initial blush of

3747
02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:10,720
if we do the 3%

3748
02:47:10,720 --> 02:47:13,920
or 3 to 5% or 3 to 8% this is going to

3749
02:47:13,920 --> 02:47:15,920
be the implications on potential truth

3750
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:18,640
and taxation. You know that's a that's a

3751
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:21,359
huge question. So, you know, I I think

3752
02:47:21,359 --> 02:47:24,399
it's a little unfair to commit to one of

3753
02:47:24,399 --> 02:47:27,840
these tonight because unless Peter or

3754
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:30,399
John has that initial I think I asked it

3755
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:32,560
in one of the last meetings if we had an

3756
02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:34,720
idea of what we were looking like with

3757
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:36,800
potential truth and taxation, but

3758
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:38,960
without that idea of what the

3759
02:47:38,960 --> 02:47:41,040
implications can be, it's hard to say,

3760
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:41,279
>> right?

3761
02:47:41,279 --> 02:47:42,080
>> Does that make sense?

3762
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:44,240
>> Yes. And it

3763
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:46,880
and if I understand our new law

3764
02:47:46,880 --> 02:47:48,960
correctly, I would be very hesitant to

3765
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:50,560
say whether or not we want to go to a

3766
02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:54,399
truth in taxation at this stage

3767
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:55,439
>> based on salaries.

3768
02:47:55,439 --> 02:47:58,560
and yeah, well, it's

3769
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:00,800
it it wouldn't be the line item for the

3770
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:02,720
truth and taxation, but it's still I

3771
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:05,279
mean it's just taking from one part of

3772
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:07,200
the budget and not putting it on that

3773
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:09,200
reason for truth and taxation and

3774
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:11,920
putting it elsewhere. So, it's still a

3775
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:13,600
part of the larger picture is what I'm

3776
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:14,640
saying.

3777
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:16,479
>> So, I can give you the number that's in

3778
02:48:16,479 --> 02:48:18,399
Peter's spreadsheet.

3779
02:48:18,399 --> 02:48:21,920
So, he may uh which is not a final, but

3780
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:25,520
by reducing our capital down to 200,000

3781
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:28,000
instead of the five, we currently have

3782
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:32,319
82 thou an $82,000 surplus.

3783
02:48:32,319 --> 02:48:35,359
So in theory, we wouldn't, but that

3784
02:48:35,359 --> 02:48:38,240
includes a 5% tax increase, which is

3785
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:42,080
about 120 or $140,000.

3786
02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:44,560
>> So the the big question is what sales

3787
02:48:44,560 --> 02:48:46,319
tax number did he put in there?

3788
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:47,359
>> Flat.

3789
02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:49,439
meaning the guess from last year or

3790
02:48:49,439 --> 02:48:50,160
the actual

3791
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:53,600
>> premium 4896 4.896. See, to me that was

3792
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:55,040
that's in fact I wrote this question

3793
02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:57,920
down because we're we're basing a guess

3794
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:00,560
off of a guess as opposed to an actual

3795
02:49:00,560 --> 02:49:02,720
number from the previous year. So to me

3796
02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:06,720
that's that's an argument. But anyway,

3797
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:08,880
well what what we could do is we could

3798
02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:12,319
start basing our guess off of the fourth

3799
02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:14,399
quarter of the previous year and then

3800
02:49:14,399 --> 02:49:16,240
the f then the three quarters that we've

3801
02:49:16,240 --> 02:49:18,399
got our tax dollars from, you know, so

3802
02:49:18,399 --> 02:49:19,920
that in June you can have a better

3803
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:24,560
number. Um, so but it's it it's

3804
02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:25,359
>> can do really.

3805
02:49:25,359 --> 02:49:28,319
>> There's every time I talk to any city

3806
02:49:28,319 --> 02:49:29,680
managers or finance directors, I say,

3807
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:32,080
"How do you guys predict your your sales

3808
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:33,600
tax?" And they kind of lick their finger

3809
02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:34,720
and stick it up in the air and say,

3810
02:49:34,720 --> 02:49:39,269
"Yep, sounds good."

3811
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:41,600
» Half of our budget of our

3812
02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:43,439
>> Yeah. Say that.

3813
02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:45,920
>> Yep. And I think what we're trying to

3814
02:49:45,920 --> 02:49:47,600
say tonight is we just need to give them

3815
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:48,720
one of these

3816
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:51,200
>> chart numbers to put into the budget

3817
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:53,680
>> and anything can be changed later. Right

3818
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:56,160
now we're just at the draft stage.

3819
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:57,600
>> We're going to be talking budget for the

3820
02:49:57,600 --> 02:49:59,439
next several months and every city

3821
02:49:59,439 --> 02:50:00,720
council meeting we're going to be making

3822
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:02,399
different decisions not knowing how it's

3823
02:50:02,399 --> 02:50:04,640
going to affect that end number.

3824
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:06,319
>> But all of all of it now is just a

3825
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:07,040
draft. Right.

3826
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:09,840
>> Correct. I'd stick to historical 3 to8

3827
02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:10,399
and then

3828
02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:11,840
>> I like the three.

3829
02:50:11,840 --> 02:50:14,160
>> Same. And then just as you can tell by

3830
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:16,000
the chart, if it was, you know, to move

3831
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:17,840
up or down, you can see that, you know,

3832
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:19,359
if you went down, it would save 100

3833
02:50:19,359 --> 02:50:21,359
grand. If you went up, it would cost an

3834
02:50:21,359 --> 02:50:24,160
extra 40. Um, but that'll help us dial

3835
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:25,680
in a number so that when you see the

3836
02:50:25,680 --> 02:50:27,760
tenative budget, it'll be kind of, hey,

3837
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:31,040
this was the the snapshot. Um, and

3838
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:32,800
understand that nothing's final until

3839
02:50:32,800 --> 02:50:34,560
the council passes a budget either in

3840
02:50:34,560 --> 02:50:36,960
June or in the truth and taxation

3841
02:50:36,960 --> 02:50:40,880
process. Um, and uh, this will allow us

3842
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:43,200
to to fully input the numbers into the

3843
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:46,160
sheet and dial that 82,000 current

3844
02:50:46,160 --> 02:50:48,240
surplus in a little better than it is

3845
02:50:48,240 --> 02:50:50,000
right now.

3846
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:52,000
>> Can I make one comment for Cara and

3847
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:55,120
myself, Tara and myself? I don't know

3848
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:57,439
what the truth and taxation is. Do you,

3849
02:50:57,439 --> 02:50:57,840
Tara?

3850
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:58,640
>> So, I do.

3851
02:50:58,640 --> 02:51:01,520
>> Oh, you do? I don't. So truth and

3852
02:51:01,520 --> 02:51:04,560
taxation, we get a number from the the

3853
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:06,800
county that says if we took all the

3854
02:51:06,800 --> 02:51:08,479
buildings that were existing in the city

3855
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:10,319
last year

3856
02:51:10,319 --> 02:51:13,600
and kept their taxes so that you got the

3857
02:51:13,600 --> 02:51:16,720
same amount of number, your new tax rate

3858
02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:19,439
usually goes down. So it would because

3859
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:21,359
houses go up in value, so the tax rate

3860
02:51:21,359 --> 02:51:24,000
goes down. So it levels. Then the

3861
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:25,920
council decides if they want to increase

3862
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:29,359
that number up to to take a little bit

3863
02:51:29,359 --> 02:51:31,760
more from each of the existing homes and

3864
02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:33,279
it and then there's growth that comes in

3865
02:51:33,279 --> 02:51:34,720
on top of it. So all the new buildings

3866
02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:36,160
are kind of set in a different bucket

3867
02:51:36,160 --> 02:51:38,080
and they come in at the very end.

3868
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:40,160
>> But that truth and taxation process is

3869
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:41,760
the formal process where we let the

3870
02:51:41,760 --> 02:51:43,920
residents know we're thinking of doing a

3871
02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:46,080
tax rate. We hold public hearings and

3872
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:47,600
then we hold a final public hearing

3873
02:51:47,600 --> 02:51:49,680
where where tax rates actually adopted

3874
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:50,560
in.

3875
02:51:50,560 --> 02:51:52,080
>> Okay. Okay. Well, that makes sense. you

3876
02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:54,800
have a pretty you have a pretty reliable

3877
02:51:54,800 --> 02:51:57,600
uh number of the property tax that can

3878
02:51:57,600 --> 02:52:00,399
be collected because it has to be the

3879
02:52:00,399 --> 02:52:01,680
same number

3880
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:04,000
>> um and then the net new building.

3881
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:06,399
>> So uh the only thing that will vary

3882
02:52:06,399 --> 02:52:08,399
slightly is uh if we're seeing that

3883
02:52:08,399 --> 02:52:10,720
building permits are down, you can

3884
02:52:10,720 --> 02:52:13,920
predict that our increase in the net new

3885
02:52:13,920 --> 02:52:15,600
increase from property taxes will be

3886
02:52:15,600 --> 02:52:17,279
slightly lower. Mhm. But

3887
02:52:17,279 --> 02:52:19,600
>> um it just depends year to year and

3888
02:52:19,600 --> 02:52:22,479
>> it can go kind of the crazy one way or

3889
02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:22,960
another.

3890
02:52:22,960 --> 02:52:24,319
>> The crazy part is is that if your

3891
02:52:24,319 --> 02:52:26,640
valuation of overall of of the

3892
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:28,640
properties in North Ogden go up that

3893
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:31,040
means your t tax if you and they don't

3894
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:32,720
do anything your tax increment goes

3895
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:33,680
down.

3896
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:36,240
>> So to keep your tax increment the same

3897
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:38,479
you have to raise taxes. So go figure

3898
02:52:38,479 --> 02:52:39,520
that one anyway.

3899
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:41,200
>> Yeah it is kind of weird.

3900
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:43,359
>> And and when the market crashed in 2008

3901
02:52:43,359 --> 02:52:44,640
and values plummeted

3902
02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:47,840
>> Yeah. the tax rate went up to capture.

3903
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:49,520
So most people think as my house

3904
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:51,359
inflates in price, my taxes go up

3905
02:52:51,359 --> 02:52:52,880
because every year everyone's taxes go

3906
02:52:52,880 --> 02:52:53,840
up.

3907
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:55,600
>> It's not actually tied as much to your

3908
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:57,600
home value as you think. It's it's

3909
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:59,920
because, you know, us or the school

3910
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:02,240
district or the fire district fire

3911
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:02,880
district

3912
02:53:02,880 --> 02:53:03,359
>> expensive

3913
02:53:03,359 --> 02:53:04,160
>> raises theirs.

3914
02:53:04,160 --> 02:53:05,200
>> They need their money.

3915
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:06,240
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3916
02:53:06,240 --> 02:53:07,439
>> So that's what it

3917
02:53:07,439 --> 02:53:10,000
>> they're financing budgets. And cities

3918
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:13,439
are unique in that we we get funding

3919
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:15,200
through lots of different re revenue

3920
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:17,680
sources. Um the fire district for

3921
02:53:17,680 --> 02:53:19,520
example kind of has property taxes and

3922
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:20,960
then a little bit of revenue from the

3923
02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:23,120
ambulances and some sometimes some

3924
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:24,960
revenue from federal grants and things.

3925
02:53:24,960 --> 02:53:26,560
But you look like at like the mosquito

3926
02:53:26,560 --> 02:53:27,920
abatement districts and some of those

3927
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:30,080
places property tax is the only place

3928
02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:31,840
they get money from.

3929
02:53:31,840 --> 02:53:35,990
>> Okay. Thank you.

3930
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:38,160
» Okay. Do we have any other discussion on

3931
02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:41,359
the budget tonight?

3932
02:53:41,359 --> 02:53:43,040
>> Uh the only thing that kind of leads

3933
02:53:43,040 --> 02:53:45,680
into the next one was code enforcement

3934
02:53:45,680 --> 02:53:48,000
that we are asking for code enforcement

3935
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:50,479
positions. This is kind of just an FYI

3936
02:53:50,479 --> 02:53:54,160
or at least one um to help with keeping

3937
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:56,560
up on these rules, you know, signs and

3938
02:53:56,560 --> 02:53:58,880
in particular water, which is the next

3939
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:00,479
discussion which I promise will be

3940
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:01,200
short.

3941
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:01,600
>> Okay.

3942
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:03,279
>> Now, that one would be a pretty safe one

3943
02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:05,359
to put on the property tax reason,

3944
02:54:05,359 --> 02:54:06,880
right? because you're

3945
02:54:06,880 --> 02:54:09,279
>> you're not offending a current employee,

3946
02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:10,479
you're just,

3947
02:54:10,479 --> 02:54:12,880
>> you know, trying to get an additional.

3948
02:54:12,880 --> 02:54:14,319
So, that would be a really good one to

3949
02:54:14,319 --> 02:54:16,080
put on the actual reason.

3950
02:54:16,080 --> 02:54:17,680
>> And and that that's a great idea. And

3951
02:54:17,680 --> 02:54:18,880
that's the kind of stuff we've been

3952
02:54:18,880 --> 02:54:21,200
looking for is what what are the things

3953
02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:23,359
that should be tied to? If there's an

3954
02:54:23,359 --> 02:54:26,319
increase, what should it be tied to?

3955
02:54:26,319 --> 02:54:27,680
>> Okay.

3956
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:30,479
Moving on to item number 11. This

3957
02:54:30,479 --> 02:54:33,120
is ordinance 2026-09

3958
02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:35,439
unauthorized unauthorized use of

3959
02:54:35,439 --> 02:54:37,760
culinary water and our dis our presenter

3960
02:54:37,760 --> 02:54:40,880
will be John call. Okay, council. So,

3961
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:44,560
this ordinance was written uh because we

3962
02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:47,520
had some residents who who on Facebook

3963
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:49,760
when we posted a hey, we're going to

3964
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:52,000
have water on in the parks, you know,

3965
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:53,600
just as a reminder, we're get we're

3966
02:54:53,600 --> 02:54:54,880
dialing in the system. We're not

3967
02:54:54,880 --> 02:54:56,560
watering yet, and please don't use

3968
02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:58,240
culinary water outside. And we got

3969
02:54:58,240 --> 02:55:00,399
several comments that said, "Where does

3970
02:55:00,399 --> 02:55:02,000
it say in the rules? You can't use

3971
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:03,840
culinary water." So, we're just

3972
02:55:03,840 --> 02:55:07,279
clarifying that. Um, I will say, and I

3973
02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:08,560
probably should have included this in my

3974
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:11,680
staff report, the penalty at the bottom,

3975
02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:14,479
I just put in what the maximum penalty

3976
02:55:14,479 --> 02:55:16,880
that the state will allow us, which is

3977
02:55:16,880 --> 02:55:18,399
$1,000.

3978
02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:20,960
That is not staff recommendation. And I

3979
02:55:20,960 --> 02:55:22,640
haven't heard any of you say that yet,

3980
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:24,960
just so everyone's on the same page. But

3981
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:27,680
the idea is that this is an ordinance

3982
02:55:27,680 --> 02:55:29,680
that will now be in our code around

3983
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:31,520
culinary water that allows residents

3984
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:33,439
when the governor declares a drought

3985
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:35,680
emergency to water their plants and

3986
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:37,040
their trees and their bushes with

3987
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:38,960
culinary water if the secondary systems

3988
02:55:38,960 --> 02:55:43,279
turned off. Um but in but in theory um

3989
02:55:43,279 --> 02:55:46,240
culinary water use will not be used for

3990
02:55:46,240 --> 02:55:48,160
anything unless

3991
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:50,560
>> there's a drought declaration

3992
02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:52,399
>> and their small gardens as you

3993
02:55:52,399 --> 02:55:53,359
>> and gardens. Yes,

3994
02:55:53,359 --> 02:55:55,279
>> small gardens. small gardens, not big

3995
02:55:55,279 --> 02:55:58,160
gardens like on, you know,

3996
02:55:58,160 --> 02:55:59,600
>> who enforces this.

3997
02:55:59,600 --> 02:56:01,600
>> So that that turns into the code

3998
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:03,040
enforcement question

3999
02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:05,600
>> because and it also turns into the

4000
02:56:05,600 --> 02:56:08,000
citation. I I can tell you that and you

4001
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:09,040
probably have all seen this if you've

4002
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:10,640
had your secondary water meter

4003
02:56:10,640 --> 02:56:12,720
installed. The thought of paying a $500

4004
02:56:12,720 --> 02:56:14,960
fine for going a gallon over your usage

4005
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:18,240
seems obscene. Um, and I think that we'd

4006
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:20,560
get a similar reaction for a $1,000 fine

4007
02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:22,880
for using culinary water use. In fact,

4008
02:56:22,880 --> 02:56:24,160
the way it's written in is that they

4009
02:56:24,160 --> 02:56:25,760
would at least get one written warning

4010
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:29,120
before the penalty would be imposed. But

4011
02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:30,240
that's something that you're going to

4012
02:56:30,240 --> 02:56:31,520
politically going to have to wrestle

4013
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:34,000
with is do you want to fine? And if so,

4014
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:37,279
how much? Because if you do $25, you'll

4015
02:56:37,279 --> 02:56:38,880
have people who will pay it

4016
02:56:38,880 --> 02:56:40,720
>> and they they'll just they'll just water

4017
02:56:40,720 --> 02:56:43,120
their lawns and they'll pay the $25 a

4018
02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:46,640
day. And if you do $1,000, you'll have a

4019
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:50,319
lot of people who will not be thrilled.

4020
02:56:50,319 --> 02:56:53,040
And um

4021
02:56:53,040 --> 02:56:56,160
you'll you might find less enforcement

4022
02:56:56,160 --> 02:56:59,600
because the code enforcement folks or

4023
02:56:59,600 --> 02:57:02,640
the officers or me don't are we're just

4024
02:57:02,640 --> 02:57:04,319
done getting yelled at. And I know that

4025
02:57:04,319 --> 02:57:06,720
that's our job is to enforce the rules,

4026
02:57:06,720 --> 02:57:08,800
but you'll I mean you're you'll get

4027
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:10,399
yelled at too. You know, you've all been

4028
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:11,680
called and yelled at. And

4029
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:13,680
>> I think a thousand is too high. I'll be

4030
02:57:13,680 --> 02:57:15,439
the first to say. So

4031
02:57:15,439 --> 02:57:19,840
>> have any uh stipulations for new um gra

4032
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:22,880
new sod or new plants? Because the best

4033
02:57:22,880 --> 02:57:25,359
time to plant sod is either you know

4034
02:57:25,359 --> 02:57:27,920
fall right before winter or early

4035
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:31,200
spring. So if someone just put in sod or

4036
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:33,439
just put in can can they have a little

4037
02:57:33,439 --> 02:57:37,439
bit of an exception so they're yard can

4038
02:57:37,439 --> 02:57:39,680
start to grow. I mean we're lucky right

4039
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:41,359
now because it's raining. We don't

4040
02:57:41,359 --> 02:57:43,040
hopefully we don't have too many issues,

4041
02:57:43,040 --> 02:57:44,960
but if it stops raining for the next

4042
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:47,760
couple months,

4043
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:50,240
we'll be on secondary. We'll be back on.

4044
02:57:50,240 --> 02:57:52,640
>> I guess that's more of a

4045
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:54,319
>> we'll probably be fine. It's we we're

4046
02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:55,439
getting a lot of rain right now.

4047
02:57:55,439 --> 02:57:56,000
>> Paul,

4048
02:57:56,000 --> 02:57:57,600
>> I'm overthinking it.

4049
02:57:57,600 --> 02:57:58,560
>> But I mean, in our

4050
02:57:58,560 --> 02:57:59,840
>> that was a question that came up on

4051
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:00,319
Facebook.

4052
02:58:00,319 --> 02:58:02,240
>> I I agree that too. I that was my

4053
02:58:02,240 --> 02:58:04,960
comment too is that I thought there was

4054
02:58:04,960 --> 02:58:06,560
a stipulation in there someplace and I

4055
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:08,399
couldn't find it. It was in the

4056
02:58:08,399 --> 02:58:10,720
declaration that the that was done that

4057
02:58:10,720 --> 02:58:13,359
said, you know, well, it actually said

4058
02:58:13,359 --> 02:58:15,279
>> you could in that situation if you've

4059
02:58:15,279 --> 02:58:17,120
already started basically, but then it

4060
02:58:17,120 --> 02:58:19,600
said you are you don't have to install

4061
02:58:19,600 --> 02:58:23,040
your lawn like we extended the the the

4062
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:24,720
landscape installation period for new

4063
02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:26,960
homes so that they wouldn't have to use

4064
02:58:26,960 --> 02:58:29,680
culinary to keep their lawns going.

4065
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:32,080
>> Well, they know that though.

4066
02:58:32,080 --> 02:58:34,800
>> No. And the the hard thing about all the

4067
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:36,560
rules and ordinances, they typically

4068
02:58:36,560 --> 02:58:38,640
don't know about them until they get

4069
02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:40,399
that personal contact.

4070
02:58:40,399 --> 02:58:41,040
>> But yeah,

4071
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:43,040
>> what what is the ordinance for new homes

4072
02:58:43,040 --> 02:58:43,840
for new yards?

4073
02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:45,520
>> Uh front yards within 12 months,

4074
02:58:45,520 --> 02:58:49,040
backyards within 18

4075
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:51,439
>> and code enforcement chases it all the

4076
02:58:51,439 --> 02:58:54,160
time. And then we even have nuances for

4077
02:58:54,160 --> 02:58:55,840
if you have animals, there's these

4078
02:58:55,840 --> 02:58:57,680
rules. if it hasn't been fully if it

4079
02:58:57,680 --> 02:58:59,040
hasn't actually been developed yet,

4080
02:58:59,040 --> 02:59:00,960
there's a different set of rules because

4081
02:59:00,960 --> 02:59:03,359
we do have, you know, the hillside above

4082
02:59:03,359 --> 02:59:05,120
the cove, we obviously don't make them

4083
02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:07,520
mow down the weeds because doing so

4084
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:09,279
would cause more problems and probably

4085
02:59:09,279 --> 02:59:12,399
fires than it's worth the risk of.

4086
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:14,399
>> So, are people calling dispatch to

4087
02:59:14,399 --> 02:59:16,479
report these problems right now? And

4088
02:59:16,479 --> 02:59:18,479
we're sending the officers

4089
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:19,680
>> sending code enforcement.

4090
02:59:19,680 --> 02:59:21,760
>> Code enforcement. Okay.

4091
02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:23,040
>> So, it's routed the same as a

4092
02:59:23,040 --> 02:59:25,359
non-emergency call. I mean, I don't know

4093
02:59:25,359 --> 02:59:28,640
how hard it is to change the the fines,

4094
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:32,000
but a thousand seems extreme after one

4095
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:32,640
written.

4096
02:59:32,640 --> 02:59:34,479
>> John can change it real easy.

4097
02:59:34,479 --> 02:59:36,800
>> But I mean, I would I would say if it

4098
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:39,760
was $100 the first time, $250 the

4099
02:59:39,760 --> 02:59:41,520
second, and then a thousand or something

4100
02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:43,680
and we and you site them the very first

4101
02:59:43,680 --> 02:59:45,200
time, not do a warning.

4102
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:46,720
>> No, I I don't know.

4103
02:59:46,720 --> 02:59:48,720
>> I I disagree on that. I think warning

4104
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:50,000
has to be the first one because John

4105
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:51,840
said nobody knows about most

4106
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:54,560
>> That's true. I guess and and usually

4107
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:55,120
it's

4108
02:59:55,120 --> 02:59:55,920
>> fast.

4109
02:59:55,920 --> 02:59:58,640
>> I liked there was a interaction one time

4110
02:59:58,640 --> 03:00:00,800
I had educate and release I think is

4111
03:00:00,800 --> 03:00:04,000
what um the most of the times I do use

4112
03:00:04,000 --> 03:00:06,000
the the code for it anyway. So but

4113
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:08,960
that's that's what I would recommend but

4114
03:00:08,960 --> 03:00:12,080
I don't disagree on the thousand for

4115
03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:14,240
right off the gate for first time. Hey,

4116
03:00:14,240 --> 03:00:16,160
I know it sucks, but at the same time,

4117
03:00:16,160 --> 03:00:18,880
it provides teeth because you can

4118
03:00:18,880 --> 03:00:21,520
probably get away with one or two, you

4119
03:00:21,520 --> 03:00:23,359
know, if you just say, "Oh, well, you

4120
03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:24,720
know, slap on the hand the first time or

4121
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:27,040
educate the first time, slap on the hand

4122
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:28,560
the second." So, you have to keep track

4123
03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:30,160
and keep going back to the offenders

4124
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:33,120
three or four times. I don't know. I I I

4125
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:34,720
just think that it needs to have teeth.

4126
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:36,720
And that's why we were I think, you

4127
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:37,760
know, Pine View is doing the right

4128
03:00:37,760 --> 03:00:40,080
thing. 500 bucks. Pay attention.

4129
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:41,439
>> Right. But that's once at the end of the

4130
03:00:41,439 --> 03:00:45,840
season after you've used your Max. No, that's during the season. So, if you

4131
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:47,600
hit your your limit at the season, it's

4132
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:48,800
500 bucks even to turn it back.

4133
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:50,399
>> I guess I assume it's the end of the

4134
03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:52,640
season. What whatever you you use your a

4135
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,080
lotment though and they've notified

4136
03:00:54,080 --> 03:00:56,720
everyone by mail. I feel like that's

4137
03:00:56,720 --> 03:00:59,680
it's different in my opinion.

4138
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:03,279
>> I I could I could see people

4139
03:01:03,279 --> 03:01:04,800
like, you know what, I'm going to chance

4140
03:01:04,800 --> 03:01:06,160
it because I know I get a written

4141
03:01:06,160 --> 03:01:07,600
warning first and then it goes to a

4142
03:01:07,600 --> 03:01:08,800
thousand. So I can see a lot of people

4143
03:01:08,800 --> 03:01:10,160
like I'm going to do it till I get

4144
03:01:10,160 --> 03:01:11,760
talked to where if they know they get

4145
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:14,240
talked to the first time say a h 100red

4146
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:16,080
bucks then a thousand I don't know I

4147
03:01:16,080 --> 03:01:18,240
don't I think

4148
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:21,120
post it it

4149
03:01:21,120 --> 03:01:23,600
if culinary is as well all I'm saying is

4150
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:25,600
that if culinary is as we had because

4151
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:27,840
the Jordan Park thing was a huge issue

4152
03:01:27,840 --> 03:01:30,399
>> let's do let's do $1,000 dollars and

4153
03:01:30,399 --> 03:01:32,399
Pver will be the lead on for any

4154
03:01:32,399 --> 03:01:33,600
complaints.

4155
03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:36,000
>> That's fine. I've already been watching

4156
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:37,680
just literally out my window going, "Are

4157
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:41,279
you stupid or something?" I mean, it's not that hard to understand you

4158
03:01:41,279 --> 03:01:43,200
shouldn't be watering your lawn. No.

4159
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:44,319
>> Before,

4160
03:01:44,319 --> 03:01:46,479
>> can I ask a random question? This is off

4161
03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:48,160
topic a little bit.

4162
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:50,880
>> If we were to not have had a drought

4163
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:52,880
this year and all the restrictions and

4164
03:01:52,880 --> 03:01:55,680
the limit limited water, if we pretend

4165
03:01:55,680 --> 03:01:57,840
this never happened, would we still have

4166
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:02,240
been asked this budget year to add a um

4167
03:02:02,240 --> 03:02:04,399
code enforcement officer? Would we still

4168
03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:05,200
have been asked?

4169
03:02:05,200 --> 03:02:05,600
>> Yes.

4170
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:07,840
>> Okay. So, if we do need a code

4171
03:02:07,840 --> 03:02:09,920
enforcement officer added, when does

4172
03:02:09,920 --> 03:02:11,680
that position get added? After Truth and

4173
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:12,720
Taxation

4174
03:02:12,720 --> 03:02:14,800
>> if it was tied to it like Yes.

4175
03:02:14,800 --> 03:02:16,479
>> Right. But by the time that they are

4176
03:02:16,479 --> 03:02:19,359
trained and employed, then what happens

4177
03:02:19,359 --> 03:02:21,279
if next year and the next year aren't

4178
03:02:21,279 --> 03:02:22,960
even a drought year?

4179
03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:25,600
>> They they're going to have plenty to do

4180
03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:27,600
and they might end up being more

4181
03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:30,000
proactive than our reactive approach. I

4182
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:33,040
mean it's it's uh Chief Einan asked for

4183
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:35,840
two additional csos last year, right?

4184
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:38,640
>> So it's it's been needed for years. It's

4185
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:41,279
that just because of this drought thing.

4186
03:02:41,279 --> 03:02:43,680
>> I think my point is is that if we are in

4187
03:02:43,680 --> 03:02:46,160
such a need for a cso right now and we

4188
03:02:46,160 --> 03:02:48,560
before we even had this increased need

4189
03:02:48,560 --> 03:02:52,160
for a cso, now we already need a cso and

4190
03:02:52,160 --> 03:02:54,000
we're adding an increased need for the

4191
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:56,240
cso. We're already very spread very

4192
03:02:56,240 --> 03:02:57,760
thin, I guess, is what I'm saying. Is

4193
03:02:57,760 --> 03:02:59,439
this the time where we're going to

4194
03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:00,960
change our philosophy and instead of

4195
03:03:00,960 --> 03:03:02,560
being reactive, we're going to be

4196
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:04,720
proactive? I don't know. That's what I'm

4197
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:06,640
saying.

4198
03:03:06,640 --> 03:03:08,080
>> Reactive

4199
03:03:08,080 --> 03:03:10,000
>> is when we say reactive previously,

4200
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:11,920
we've been doing it reactive at when

4201
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:13,920
someone files a complaint or goes into

4202
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:16,000
the portal and reports something. That's

4203
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:18,080
our reactive.

4204
03:03:18,080 --> 03:03:20,720
>> So, so

4205
03:03:20,720 --> 03:03:22,479
that that means the code officers aren't

4206
03:03:22,479 --> 03:03:24,160
driving around noticing someone with a

4207
03:03:24,160 --> 03:03:25,840
hose in their mouth in in their mouth in

4208
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:28,240
their hand.

4209
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:31,520
Correct. I mean, I don't think that's that's not something that is is

4210
03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:33,600
in the design. There's no way they can

4211
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:35,680
>> still. So, so the philosophy then has

4212
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:37,040
been in the past that they're going to

4213
03:03:37,040 --> 03:03:39,120
wait until a neighbor calls. Is that

4214
03:03:39,120 --> 03:03:43,040
what we're still continuing to

4215
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:45,680
>> with the I mean, you have two officers

4216
03:03:45,680 --> 03:03:46,800
who could tell you what their philosophy

4217
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:48,640
is. If they got two additional cso

4218
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:50,960
officers that they might tell you what

4219
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:54,319
their be this moment when we are in need

4220
03:03:54,319 --> 03:03:56,800
during the drought, right?

4221
03:03:56,800 --> 03:03:58,080
I don't know. Just throw.

4222
03:03:58,080 --> 03:04:00,800
>> So, so my my my

4223
03:04:00,800 --> 03:04:03,680
hope my hope is if we're saying that we

4224
03:04:03,680 --> 03:04:06,720
want a new cso and it's tied to this

4225
03:04:06,720 --> 03:04:10,960
reason for a TNT, uh, then it it would

4226
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:13,040
be the correct time to draw a line in

4227
03:04:13,040 --> 03:04:15,200
the sand to say we are more proactive.

4228
03:04:15,200 --> 03:04:18,160
whether that's that that additional cso

4229
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:21,600
is 100% proactive or is at least, you

4230
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:24,160
know, 50% of their time proactive and

4231
03:04:24,160 --> 03:04:27,359
50% reactive. It it's a line in the sand

4232
03:04:27,359 --> 03:04:30,240
moment to me. I feel like I feel like it

4233
03:04:30,240 --> 03:04:32,319
would make no sense to add an additional

4234
03:04:32,319 --> 03:04:34,960
cso if there's no additional proactive

4235
03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:36,640
nature of the position. And I think

4236
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:43,040
Lieutenant Long or Brinks here will have a comment,

4237
03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:45,200
but because this is something they've

4238
03:04:45,200 --> 03:04:48,479
been philosophically shifting,

4239
03:04:48,479 --> 03:04:50,640
>> they're fighting over going to respond.

4240
03:04:50,640 --> 03:04:52,240
>> Well, and it's also fire life safety.

4241
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:54,240
It's not necessarily watering the lawn.

4242
03:04:54,240 --> 03:04:55,439
That's that's going to be a priority.

4243
03:04:55,439 --> 03:04:58,000
And that's the thing that the budget or

4244
03:04:58,000 --> 03:05:01,600
not budget, good heaven, sorry, is the

4245
03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:03,600
code enforcement committee is coming up

4246
03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:04,960
with priorities and that's what they go

4247
03:05:04,960 --> 03:05:07,040
for. So, is watering going to be a

4248
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:10,399
priority? Probably not.

4249
03:05:10,399 --> 03:05:13,760
>> As you all are aware, um, they wear many

4250
03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:15,439
hats, you know, animal control,

4251
03:05:15,439 --> 03:05:20,240
evidence, code enforcement, um, putting

4252
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:21,840
speed trailers out, and everything else.

4253
03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:23,760
So there

4254
03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:26,800
adding an additional cso would allow for

4255
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:29,279
more proactive instead of reactive

4256
03:05:29,279 --> 03:05:32,160
waiting for the calls to you know we we

4257
03:05:32,160 --> 03:05:36,319
try and keep at least a the top 10

4258
03:05:36,319 --> 03:05:38,720
properties that we need to pay attention

4259
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:43,520
to. But the proactiveness is they're

4260
03:05:43,520 --> 03:05:45,600
spread thin trying to take care of all

4261
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:51,830
their

4262
03:05:51,840 --> 03:05:53,680
And I'm fine with that philosophy. I

4263
03:05:53,680 --> 03:05:56,319
guess all I'm saying is I wonder if this

4264
03:05:56,319 --> 03:05:58,399
um urgent need for the culinary water is

4265
03:05:58,399 --> 03:06:00,319
really only going to last the next month

4266
03:06:00,319 --> 03:06:03,359
and extra cso.

4267
03:06:03,359 --> 03:06:06,080
>> Pine view is getting shut off early.

4268
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:07,520
>> It needs to be out period.

4269
03:06:07,520 --> 03:06:09,120
>> Well, it does. I'm not saying it

4270
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:10,240
doesn't.

4271
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:12,479
>> Sorry. Maybe to your point is if the

4272
03:06:12,479 --> 03:06:14,399
council wants to talk about this more,

4273
03:06:14,399 --> 03:06:16,720
we basically have another week till Pine

4274
03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:20,080
View's on. I think it's the 20th. Yep.

4275
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:21,680
>> And so they're going to start charging

4276
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:25,439
lines. So there may be less of a need

4277
03:06:25,439 --> 03:06:27,040
now as there will be at the end of the

4278
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:28,640
summer. So if the council really would

4279
03:06:28,640 --> 03:06:30,479
like more time,

4280
03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:31,600
>> that's okay.

4281
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:33,600
>> So we're we're talking about this to

4282
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:35,680
address the fall needs. And by that

4283
03:06:35,680 --> 03:06:37,840
time, will there be a CSO, an extra CS?

4284
03:06:37,840 --> 03:06:39,680
>> I thought it was Monday May.

4285
03:06:39,680 --> 03:06:41,840
>> Uh if it's tied to truth and taxation,

4286
03:06:41,840 --> 03:06:43,840
we won't advertise the position till

4287
03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:45,520
September 1st. So they won't be hired

4288
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:47,279
till the water's turned off. Okay. So,

4289
03:06:47,279 --> 03:06:49,760
actually in October when we you know

4290
03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:54,640
they could go but so so council if you want to have something on the

4291
03:06:54,640 --> 03:06:56,640
books so people can start educating

4292
03:06:56,640 --> 03:06:57,920
>> I want to have something on the books.

4293
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:04,080
Let's just get her done and then if we need to uh add to this later when

4294
03:07:04,080 --> 03:07:05,680
we've thought about it more we'll bring

4295
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:06,720
it back

4296
03:07:06,720 --> 03:07:08,080
>> this summer or whenever.

4297
03:07:08,080 --> 03:07:10,000
>> I would love to see what violation

4298
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:11,279
>> they're doing

4299
03:07:11,279 --> 03:07:13,680
>> warning and then $1,000.

4300
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:16,720
>> I are we voting on this

4301
03:07:16,720 --> 03:07:18,479
What else to their job besides just

4302
03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:20,800
water? I mean the all the things that

4303
03:07:20,800 --> 03:07:22,080
they mentioned. I would love to see

4304
03:07:22,080 --> 03:07:24,080
that.

4305
03:07:24,080 --> 03:07:26,960
>> We will bring a report on what the csos

4306
03:07:26,960 --> 03:07:29,760
do so that you can because the list is

4307
03:07:29,760 --> 03:07:32,399
long. Um they have taken over a lot of

4308
03:07:32,399 --> 03:07:34,240
what our uniformed officers used to do

4309
03:07:34,240 --> 03:07:36,640
to free uniformed officers up to handle

4310
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:38,880
the more severe calls so we don't have

4311
03:07:38,880 --> 03:07:41,760
to keep adding officers or not as many.

4312
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:46,160
So, um, yeah.

4313
03:07:46,160 --> 03:07:49,840
>> Can I throw out 250 or 500 versus the

4314
03:07:49,840 --> 03:07:51,600
thousand?

4315
03:07:51,600 --> 03:07:52,479
>> Yes.

4316
03:07:52,479 --> 03:07:53,680
>> All right. We're going to we're going to

4317
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,600
split hairs. It's one written warning

4318
03:07:55,600 --> 03:07:59,920
and then a $500 citation.

4319
03:07:59,920 --> 03:08:02,160
Don't care. It's It's It's probably

4320
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:03,760
going to be a non-issue. We We just got

4321
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:06,479
dumped on with rain. I I mean, I don't

4322
03:08:06,479 --> 03:08:06,800
know. I

4323
03:08:06,800 --> 03:08:10,309
>> think it's a non-issue.

4324
03:08:10,319 --> 03:08:11,760
Okay.

4325
03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:15,110
Did it

4326
03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:16,479
do a motion? Do you

4327
03:08:16,479 --> 03:08:19,439
>> Okay. I I want to leave this meeting, so

4328
03:08:19,439 --> 03:08:23,600
I will do a motion. Uh, I move that we

4329
03:08:23,600 --> 03:08:28,550
approve ordinance 2026-9

4330
03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:35,680
uh with uh a written warning first and a $500

4331
03:08:35,680 --> 03:08:40,000
uh fee or fine if if cited.

4332
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:42,240
>> Each occurrence. Yeah.

4333
03:08:42,240 --> 03:08:43,920
>> For each occurrence. Sure.

4334
03:08:43,920 --> 03:08:46,399
>> Okay. Motion by council member Dowz.

4335
03:08:46,399 --> 03:08:49,359
That was for ordinance 2026-09.

4336
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:50,080
Correct.

4337
03:08:50,080 --> 03:08:51,439
>> Yes. Yes, I think I said that.

4338
03:08:51,439 --> 03:08:53,279
>> I think you did, but just clarifying

4339
03:08:53,279 --> 03:08:55,680
>> and a second by council member Pulver.

4340
03:08:55,680 --> 03:08:58,800
Do we have any other discussion?

4341
03:08:58,800 --> 03:09:01,040
>> I would say I like the 500 because it

4342
03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:03,040
aligns with fine view a little bit.

4343
03:09:03,040 --> 03:09:03,359
>> Yeah.

4344
03:09:03,359 --> 03:09:03,840
>> Correct.

4345
03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:04,560
>> Yeah.

4346
03:09:04,560 --> 03:09:06,479
>> Okay. This will be a roll call vote. So,

4347
03:09:06,479 --> 03:09:08,080
Council Member Carney,

4348
03:09:08,080 --> 03:09:08,560
>> yes.

4349
03:09:08,560 --> 03:09:09,760
>> Council member Dalpaz,

4350
03:09:09,760 --> 03:09:10,160
>> yes.

4351
03:09:10,160 --> 03:09:11,359
>> Council member Neighbor,

4352
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:11,840
>> yes.

4353
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:14,640
>> Council member Watson,

4354
03:09:14,640 --> 03:09:15,520
>> yes.

4355
03:09:15,520 --> 03:09:17,120
>> And council member say no.

4356
03:09:17,120 --> 03:09:20,800
>> Yes. Okay, that motion passes.

4357
03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:23,680
All right, moving on. We're

4358
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:25,439
now we're on to item number 12 or city

4359
03:09:25,439 --> 03:09:27,439
council pillar assignment updates.

4360
03:09:27,439 --> 03:09:29,520
Council member Pulver and Council Member

4361
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:33,200
Dalpath, do you have I I just went

4362
03:09:33,200 --> 03:09:36,160
through the monday.com thing and and

4363
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:37,840
honestly, I know that the Barker Park

4364
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:39,760
had their open house, which I thought

4365
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:42,640
was was awesome. Um I know they're doing

4366
03:09:42,640 --> 03:09:45,439
dog park stuff. I don't know if there's

4367
03:09:45,439 --> 03:09:47,359
any update on that. in uh Northshore,

4368
03:09:47,359 --> 03:09:50,560
they're still researching the bubble. Um

4369
03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:52,399
and then uh we were talking about the

4370
03:09:52,399 --> 03:09:54,399
general plan zoning that they're going

4371
03:09:54,399 --> 03:09:57,680
to update. Uh recycling, I know that's

4372
03:09:57,680 --> 03:10:00,399
been an issue back and forth. And then

4373
03:10:00,399 --> 03:10:03,040
also um Hillside Trail, I know that

4374
03:10:03,040 --> 03:10:05,760
hasn't started, but and uh I also heard

4375
03:10:05,760 --> 03:10:07,920
welcome signs, which I think I was

4376
03:10:07,920 --> 03:10:09,760
hammering on pretty hard. And I think

4377
03:10:09,760 --> 03:10:11,520
that's uh that's not started either, but

4378
03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:14,800
I know I've seen um asking local

4379
03:10:14,800 --> 03:10:17,040
artists. In fact, I kind of pinged a

4380
03:10:17,040 --> 03:10:19,600
couple people to to say, "Hey, you said

4381
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:22,080
you wanted to do this, you know." So, I

4382
03:10:22,080 --> 03:10:24,479
think all of those are good things. Um,

4383
03:10:24,479 --> 03:10:26,319
I don't know if there's any anybody has

4384
03:10:26,319 --> 03:10:47,670
to status or want to chat on that, but

4385
03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:48,880
So, they're still going to be in the

4386
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:50,560
same spot, which technically is not

4387
03:10:50,560 --> 03:10:52,319
where the North Ogden starts, but I get

4388
03:10:52,319 --> 03:10:54,000
it.

4389
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:56,560
Like, like right where Mountain View and

4390
03:10:56,560 --> 03:10:58,640
technically North Ogden starts back at

4391
03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:01,520
1500ish, but you know, I I understand

4392
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:03,520
that it's the spot. And then once

4393
03:11:03,520 --> 03:11:07,680
Cooper's Cooper Town, yeah, eventually,

4394
03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:09,200
but you know, keeping the Kuanas one

4395
03:11:09,200 --> 03:11:10,479
where it is is probably a good idea

4396
03:11:10,479 --> 03:11:13,279
until then. Uh the only thing that I

4397
03:11:13,279 --> 03:11:16,399
will add is that uh Cherry Days is

4398
03:11:16,399 --> 03:11:19,520
starting to look for sponsors for Cherry

4399
03:11:19,520 --> 03:11:22,560
Days. Uh so if you are interested in

4400
03:11:22,560 --> 03:11:24,640
being a sponsor as a business uh in

4401
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:28,240
North Ogden or the surrounding area, uh

4402
03:11:28,240 --> 03:11:31,920
reach out to Morgan Cherudi. Uh she can

4403
03:11:31,920 --> 03:11:36,240
be reached at cherrydays 2026gmail.com.

4404
03:11:36,240 --> 03:11:38,560
Thanks.

4405
03:11:38,560 --> 03:11:42,000
>> Okay. Thank you. And then an employee

4406
03:11:42,000 --> 03:11:46,240
update that I have is P PD swore in

4407
03:11:46,240 --> 03:11:48,479
officer Arnell last week and she's

4408
03:11:48,479 --> 03:11:51,840
officially sworn in and I've seen her

4409
03:11:51,840 --> 03:11:54,560
with my other role out on some calls so

4410
03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:57,439
she's out working. Then we've hired four

4411
03:11:57,439 --> 03:11:59,200
seasonal parks employees and they have

4412
03:11:59,200 --> 03:12:01,279
three position positions still open.

4413
03:12:01,279 --> 03:12:03,680
Interviews are taking place this week.

4414
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:06,160
They are hiring for seasonal North Ogden

4415
03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:08,000
Aquatic Center employees with training

4416
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:10,399
scheduled to begin the end of April.

4417
03:12:10,399 --> 03:12:12,080
Then a huge thank you to the parks team

4418
03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:13,520
for their hard work at the Mountain View

4419
03:12:13,520 --> 03:12:15,439
Park, which couple of the council

4420
03:12:15,439 --> 03:12:16,960
members were up there when we opened

4421
03:12:16,960 --> 03:12:18,960
that up this last week and for all the

4422
03:12:18,960 --> 03:12:20,720
residents that came out. And then Arbor

4423
03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:22,800
Day is coming up next week, so we'll

4424
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:27,670
have another event.

4425
03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:31,439
» Okay. Item number 13, public comments.

4426
03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:34,000
If anyone if all of our public would

4427
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:36,240
like to come up and make a comment, feel

4428
03:12:36,240 --> 03:12:46,070
free to come on up.

4429
03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:50,399
Brent call. Um what an incredibly boring

4430
03:12:50,399 --> 03:12:52,399
council meeting tonight. not a single

4431
03:12:52,399 --> 03:12:54,960
controversy to keep us entertained. But

4432
03:12:54,960 --> 03:12:58,000
no, it was I really appreciate the the

4433
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,800
discussions on budgets and uh very

4434
03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:05,200
enlightening um for me. Um so I really

4435
03:13:05,200 --> 03:13:06,720
appreciate that to see a little bit more

4436
03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:08,479
about that process and understand that a

4437
03:13:08,479 --> 03:13:10,560
little bit better. Couple of comments

4438
03:13:10,560 --> 03:13:13,600
with that. Uh during the discussion

4439
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:16,880
about deposits,

4440
03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:20,319
um a thought came to me that well a

4441
03:13:20,319 --> 03:13:23,279
comment was made about sometimes those

4442
03:13:23,279 --> 03:13:26,960
deposits contain substantial

4443
03:13:26,960 --> 03:13:28,720
checks

4444
03:13:28,720 --> 03:13:32,239
and uh in our business

4445
03:13:32,239 --> 03:13:35,520
uh we never deposit a check. Uh they're

4446
03:13:35,520 --> 03:13:37,760
all done virtually.

4447
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:41,680
um our accounts receivable actually has

4448
03:13:41,680 --> 03:13:44,160
a scanner that's connected to the bank

4449
03:13:44,160 --> 03:13:45,920
and I don't know if that's you know

4450
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:47,680
maybe I don't understand the process

4451
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:50,319
well enough but um but that's something

4452
03:13:50,319 --> 03:13:54,880
that we do and uh so checks are never

4453
03:13:54,880 --> 03:13:57,359
you know hand carried delivered to the

4454
03:13:57,359 --> 03:14:01,040
bank um if that's a possibility maybe

4455
03:14:01,040 --> 03:14:04,239
something to look into as far as the

4456
03:14:04,239 --> 03:14:08,880
other uh discussion about the

4457
03:14:08,880 --> 03:14:12,399
um you know being more conservative on

4458
03:14:12,399 --> 03:14:14,960
the budgeting versus being a little bit

4459
03:14:14,960 --> 03:14:19,359
more take a little bit more risk. As

4460
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:22,319
one citizen anyway, I like the

4461
03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:27,200
conservative approach. Um I would much

4462
03:14:27,200 --> 03:14:29,040
prefer

4463
03:14:29,040 --> 03:14:33,279
that uh the city budgets more

4464
03:14:33,279 --> 03:14:34,800
conservatively,

4465
03:14:34,800 --> 03:14:36,800
has that excess

4466
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:40,880
and just educates the public. That's the

4467
03:14:40,880 --> 03:14:42,560
way in my opinion everybody ought to run

4468
03:14:42,560 --> 03:14:45,200
their budget. So anyway, just a couple

4469
03:14:45,200 --> 03:14:47,439
comments there. Thank you again for your

4470
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:49,520
service. Thank you for all that you guys

4471
03:14:49,520 --> 03:14:50,479
do.

4472
03:14:50,479 --> 03:14:50,960
>> Thank you.

4473
03:14:50,960 --> 03:14:58,150
Brent.

4474
03:14:58,160 --> 03:15:01,600
» Okay, not seeing any hands up and

4475
03:15:01,600 --> 03:15:04,239
no other. Oh, one just popped up. Okay,

4476
03:15:04,239 --> 03:15:05,520
go ahead,

4477
03:15:05,520 --> 03:15:10,550
>> Susan.

4478
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:13,279
» Hi, you all. Do you remember me?

4479
03:15:13,279 --> 03:15:14,800
>> Yes.

4480
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:17,760
>> Okay. First of all, I want to say, and

4481
03:15:17,760 --> 03:15:20,640
it may not be considered city business,

4482
03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:23,840
but happy belated birthday, council

4483
03:15:23,840 --> 03:15:26,319
member Dell Pass.

4484
03:15:26,319 --> 03:15:28,720
>> Well, that's old news, but thank you.

4485
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:30,880
>> What do you mean old news?

4486
03:15:30,880 --> 03:15:32,800
yesterday.

4487
03:15:32,800 --> 03:15:36,319
>> That's what I said. Anyway, I also want

4488
03:15:36,319 --> 03:15:39,840
to say that I wholeheartedly agree with

4489
03:15:39,840 --> 03:15:44,160
Council Member Pulver and I think that

4490
03:15:44,160 --> 03:15:47,359
you guys need to put the hammer down now

4491
03:15:47,359 --> 03:15:51,120
and fast on water usage.

4492
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:54,000
And I'm telling you, I belong to a group

4493
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:57,200
called Utah Alliance Coalition. And if

4494
03:15:57,200 --> 03:15:59,760
you look at Long Range, yeah, we may be

4495
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:02,720
having rain right now, but look at Long

4496
03:16:02,720 --> 03:16:06,239
Range. And please,

4497
03:16:06,239 --> 03:16:08,000
I guess you guys have already voted on

4498
03:16:08,000 --> 03:16:10,720
it. So, I'm just giving you my opinion

4499
03:16:10,720 --> 03:16:12,880
that I wish you would have kept with the

4500
03:16:12,880 --> 03:16:16,800
1,000 because I guarantee you if you

4501
03:16:16,800 --> 03:16:20,000
gave me a warning and said, Susan and

4502
03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:24,239
Carter, if you use that water, you're

4503
03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:27,120
going to pay $1,000. I'm not going to do

4504
03:16:27,120 --> 03:16:30,479
it. So, whatever.

4505
03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:32,800
Anyway, it's good to see all you guys.

4506
03:16:32,800 --> 03:16:35,680
Sorry, I've been busy trying to solve

4507
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:38,479
world problems in leaving the city to

4508
03:16:38,479 --> 03:16:42,319
you. So, have a good night you guys.

4509
03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:47,590
>> Thanks, Susan.

4510
03:16:47,600 --> 03:16:50,000
» All right, moving on. Mayor, council,

4511
03:16:50,000 --> 03:16:52,640
staff comments. We'll start with staff.

4512
03:16:52,640 --> 03:16:56,800
Ryan, Dave, Scott,

4513
03:16:56,800 --> 03:17:03,279
Lieutenant, Chief. Okay, John. Uh, no,

4514
03:17:03,279 --> 03:17:06,000
nothing. Council,

4515
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:07,680
>> uh, I know we're short on time, but I do

4516
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:09,439
want to share this cuz it's really cute.

4517
03:17:09,439 --> 03:17:12,319
Uh, we ran into Officer Arnell right

4518
03:17:12,319 --> 03:17:13,840
before she came over to North Ogden

4519
03:17:13,840 --> 03:17:15,760
City. She was over at the car wash

4520
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:20,000
washing her vehicle there. And my little

4521
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:23,200
daughter was just like she was a

4522
03:17:23,200 --> 03:17:26,000
superstar. She we Lauren and I were

4523
03:17:26,000 --> 03:17:29,840
talking to her and my daughter, she she

4524
03:17:29,840 --> 03:17:31,920
just barely opens up the door and like

4525
03:17:31,920 --> 03:17:33,680
is peeking her head out and she just has

4526
03:17:33,680 --> 03:17:36,080
this smile like like this lady is

4527
03:17:36,080 --> 03:17:38,560
awesome. And so I I just wanted to share

4528
03:17:38,560 --> 03:17:41,120
that because it was super cute and I I'm

4529
03:17:41,120 --> 03:17:44,080
excited to have her on the force and I I

4530
03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:46,000
think these officers are amazing and

4531
03:17:46,000 --> 03:17:47,680
there's a lot of people that are looking

4532
03:17:47,680 --> 03:17:50,239
up to them.

4533
03:17:50,239 --> 03:17:55,680
>> Nice. Anyone else from council?

4534
03:17:55,680 --> 03:17:58,800
I have two things real quick. Um, first

4535
03:17:58,800 --> 03:18:02,000
off, we are working with Pleasant View.

4536
03:18:02,000 --> 03:18:04,000
Um, they are building a decant facility

4537
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:05,200
where we can take all our street

4538
03:18:05,200 --> 03:18:07,600
sweeping waste. But in the meantime,

4539
03:18:07,600 --> 03:18:08,960
we're going to bring back something if

4540
03:18:08,960 --> 03:18:10,640
you're immunable next council meeting to

4541
03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:12,080
allow them to start using our green

4542
03:18:12,080 --> 03:18:13,680
waste facility for Pleasant View

4543
03:18:13,680 --> 03:18:16,160
residents. We'll charge them I don't

4544
03:18:16,160 --> 03:18:19,200
know if it's a little bit more. We're

4545
03:18:19,200 --> 03:18:20,560
working on it, but we'd like to start it

4546
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:22,720
now so they can start using it. And then

4547
03:18:22,720 --> 03:18:25,279
we'll bring it back in the end of April,

4548
03:18:25,279 --> 03:18:27,359
whether it's an agreement or and then as

4549
03:18:27,359 --> 03:18:29,840
they get their decanned up, we'll get an

4550
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:32,479
more better interlocal agreement written

4551
03:18:32,479 --> 03:18:35,120
with them. But does anyone have any

4552
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:37,040
issues with them using our green waste

4553
03:18:37,040 --> 03:18:42,070
facility?

4554
03:18:42,080 --> 03:18:44,560
not an issue, but just have we looked at

4555
03:18:44,560 --> 03:18:47,840
how much extra space or that we would

4556
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:50,800
need to, you know,

4557
03:18:50,800 --> 03:18:52,800
in the areas I know I mean we use the

4558
03:18:52,800 --> 03:18:54,319
crap out of it when it comes to tree

4559
03:18:54,319 --> 03:18:56,239
branches and

4560
03:18:56,239 --> 03:18:58,000
end of year waste and stuff like that

4561
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:00,239
and I know it's heavily used so I don't

4562
03:19:00,239 --> 03:19:02,640
know

4563
03:19:02,640 --> 03:19:06,720
um 50% more I don't know

4564
03:19:06,720 --> 03:19:07,760
speak

4565
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:09,359
>> yeah and speaking with their mayor he

4566
03:19:09,359 --> 03:19:10,560
doesn't think there will be that big of

4567
03:19:10,560 --> 03:19:11,600
an

4568
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:14,160
from their residents. Speaking with my

4569
03:19:14,160 --> 03:19:16,239
other job, I get all the burn permits in

4570
03:19:16,239 --> 03:19:17,680
the area and right now is the open burn

4571
03:19:17,680 --> 03:19:19,760
season. Pleasant View pulls almost twice

4572
03:19:19,760 --> 03:19:21,520
as many burn permits as North Ogden

4573
03:19:21,520 --> 03:19:24,000
because we do one big burn. So if you're

4574
03:19:24,000 --> 03:19:27,120
an air quality enthusiast, this is

4575
03:19:27,120 --> 03:19:28,800
actually a better solution.

4576
03:19:28,800 --> 03:19:29,200
>> Okay.

4577
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:31,520
>> So I'm not I'm like the idea.

4578
03:19:31,520 --> 03:19:33,760
>> I do. I think it's a great idea.

4579
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:34,479
>> Thumbs up.

4580
03:19:34,479 --> 03:19:36,640
>> Okay. And then second with this is also

4581
03:19:36,640 --> 03:19:39,040
includes Pleasant View. We were invited

4582
03:19:39,040 --> 03:19:41,120
to help participate in their founders

4583
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:43,120
day in a pickle ball tournament with our

4584
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:45,680
council and their council.

4585
03:19:45,680 --> 03:19:47,760
>> H I have to learn pickle ball in that

4586
03:19:47,760 --> 03:19:50,080
>> get even better that we want to split up

4587
03:19:50,080 --> 03:19:51,760
the teams. So have one city council

4588
03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:53,200
member from North Ogden and one on

4589
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:55,040
Pleasant View on the same team. So we'll

4590
03:19:55,040 --> 03:19:56,640
be teaming up so we get to know each

4591
03:19:56,640 --> 03:19:58,960
other's councils and staffs and mayors

4592
03:19:58,960 --> 03:20:01,120
will be competing and city managers and

4593
03:20:01,120 --> 03:20:02,800
maybe some other council me or staff

4594
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:03,760
members.

4595
03:20:03,760 --> 03:20:05,120
>> I believe this was Ryan's idea.

4596
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:07,920
>> No, it was not. This was not my idea.

4597
03:20:07,920 --> 03:20:09,680
>> This is cute. Can we like all just go to

4598
03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:11,920
lunch instead?

4599
03:20:11,920 --> 03:20:13,520
>> Well, they hold they do

4600
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:14,239
>> play pickle ball.

4601
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:15,760
>> They do hold a big pickle ball

4602
03:20:15,760 --> 03:20:17,359
tournament for founders day and they're

4603
03:20:17,359 --> 03:20:19,040
trying to we're trying to figure out a

4604
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:22,080
way how to get our cities to work better

4605
03:20:22,080 --> 03:20:22,560
together.

4606
03:20:22,560 --> 03:20:22,880
>> Yeah,

4607
03:20:22,880 --> 03:20:25,359
>> I love it. Um I do know that the Kit

4608
03:20:25,359 --> 03:20:27,359
Collins thing is that morning. So I

4609
03:20:27,359 --> 03:20:29,760
don't know if that if we could plan it.

4610
03:20:29,760 --> 03:20:31,040
It's the same day the

4611
03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:32,880
>> pickle ball tournaments are usually not

4612
03:20:32,880 --> 03:20:35,040
on Founders Day. It's like on Wednesday

4613
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:36,560
or Thursday the week. Awesome. So, we

4614
03:20:36,560 --> 03:20:37,760
still got to learn pickle ball.

4615
03:20:37,760 --> 03:20:38,960
>> Yep. You got time.

4616
03:20:38,960 --> 03:20:41,279
>> Yeah, that that sounds awesome. And I do

4617
03:20:41,279 --> 03:20:42,960
need to start to learn how to play.

4618
03:20:42,960 --> 03:20:44,479
>> I'm going to be the kid that the last

4619
03:20:44,479 --> 03:20:47,040
one they pick. Like, who wants that old

4620
03:20:47,040 --> 03:20:48,000
girl on there?

4621
03:20:48,000 --> 03:20:50,880
>> Okay, that's all I have

4622
03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:53,120
other than Arbor Days next week. So,

4623
03:20:53,120 --> 03:20:53,920
>> yep.

4624
03:20:53,920 --> 03:20:57,439
>> Okay. We lift up our motion.