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Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate
that. Councilman Brandt, good evening.

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We'll give you just a minute here to get
settled.

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Welcome to our council meeting this
evening. Tonight is Tuesday, September

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8th. Appreciate you being here. Happy
Labor Day. Hope you enjoyed it. The

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weather certainly was nice. Madame
Clerk, will you please call the role?

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» Miss Rolf
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» Mr. Schuster
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» Mr. Skips
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» Mr. Williams
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» Mr. Brandt
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» Mr. Claus has an excused absence. And
Mayor Church

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» present. Please stand and join me for
the pledge of allegiance and remain

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standing for the invocation.

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Heavenly Father, thank you for bringing
us here this evening to help make

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decisions for our community.
Be with us tonight as we make some very

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important decisions for the North Pole
community in North Pole area.

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In your most holy name we pray. Amen.

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Madame clerk, we have a spot on our
agenda this evening for a spotlight on

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new business. Do we have new business
this evening?

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» No, no, no spotlight on North Pole
business. So, if there are any

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businesses out there that would like to
come um within the North Pole area and

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and give testimony and tell a little bit
about what you do here in the North Pole

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area, please feel free to contact our
clerk and get on the agenda. We'd love

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to have you. Brings us to item number
five, citizens comments

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not on the agenda.
>> Do we have anybody signed up this

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evening, Madam Clerk?
We have no one online, but we have

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members of the audience.
>> Please come forth, have a seat. I if

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you're not on the signin sheet, please
make sure you're there. Um, state your

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name and place of residence, area of
residence, and then just make sure that

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the red light is on when you're talking.
That way, we're sure the audio is picked

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up. And you feel free to pull that to if
you desire.

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» All right. I'm a terrible public
speaker. My name is Tanya Eris and I

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live over in the Stillmmyer Estates. Um,
I moved in in January and I really love

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my house. Um,
I submitted an offer for the purchase of

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lot 9 at 880 Refinery Loop, which is
adjacent to my property. The city

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council had previously determined that
retaining this property serves no public

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purpose and that selling it is in the
city's best interest. The property was

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offered through the city auction process
with a minimum bid of $35,000 and it did

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not sell. The city received two bids of
$10,000.

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I believe that this um provides
meaningful market feedback regarding

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what buyers are willing to pay for this
particular property.

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This is also a very small lot with no
sewer and water and a substantial

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portion of that is occupied the driveway
that has served my residents for

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decades.
I have included a photograph showing the

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existence the existing driveway and how
significantly it impacts the usable area

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of the parcel. These circumstances
significantly affect the property's

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practical use and marketability.
I understand that ordinance 2026-08

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as currently written does not authorize
the city to negotiate a sale below the

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$35,000 minimum. I am not asking city
staff to disregard that ordinance.

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Instead, I am respectfully asking the
city council to reconsider the ordinance

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and allow my offer to be considered
based on the results of the unsuccessful

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auction and the unique circumstances of
this property. Continuing to retain the

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property means the city continues
carrying the responsibility and costs

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associated with it while receiving no
property tax revenue from private

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ownership. I am prepared to purchase the
property, take on that responsibility,

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and return it to the tax roles. There is
also some urgency for me. Winter is

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approaching and if this cannot be
resolved, I will need to move forward

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with constructing a new driveway
entirely on my own property. Once

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construction begins, purchasing that
this parcel would no longer make

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practical or financial sense to me. I
would much rather reach a solution that

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benefits both the city and my property
and respectfully ask the city council to

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um consider allowing the sale. Thank
you.

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Thank you. Any questions
from council?

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Thank you for your testimony this
evening, Miss Harris. Thank you for

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joining us.

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Anyone else who would like to give um
citizens comments on items not on the

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agenda?

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Okay, with that we are closing citizens
comments for this evening. That brings

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us on to item six, approval of the
agenda and consent agenda. Can I get a

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motion, please?
>> Motion to approve the agenda and consent

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agenda.
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» So moved and seconded.

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Any discussion?
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» I'd like to make a motion to
postpone item 12A, ordinance 2026-19

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until after we have a workshop on the
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on Monday, September 14th at 5:30 p.m.
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So moved and seconded in discussion.
>> So twice now,

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» Councilman Brandt,
>> this council has told you that we wanted

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to have a workshop on this item.

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When
we decided that a workshop was more

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appropriate than the committee of the
whole,

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you did not schedule workshop.
Instead, you just went ahead and decided

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on your own what the changes would be
and put the ordinance forward without

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the workshop that we requested.
At the last meeting, I made a motion to

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postpone the ordinance until after
workshop can be held. And you told our

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clerk that you will not have a workshop
on it.

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» I did.
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uh, again, that's twice that you ignored
the council's wishes on this. It's an

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extremely complex
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issue.
It's more appropriate at a workshop that

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so we can spend all of our time delving
into it. We would still have the

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discussions um afterwards uh during the
regular meetings, but I I do believe as

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the council believes that that uh we
should have a workshop on this first.

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Thank you, Councilman Brandt. Um, and
everything you said is correct. I'm not

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listening to you tell me that we need to
have a workshop. Um, because this

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council has repeatedly said over and
over and over again that we need to have

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it on the record. We need to have public
testimony on everything that we bring.

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And I don't think um that in your
thought process to put this forward, you

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considered the employees
um while you're considering what works

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best for you and the discussion by not
hearing from our employees and at a work

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session
um public testimony

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is not allowed. So you would not
actually hear from your employees why

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this is so important to move forward
with

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any further discussion. Oh, please don't
snap your fingers at me. Councilman

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Brent, you can raise your hand and just
wait until I recognize you. I'm not a

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dog. I am a mayor. Thank you, sir.
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They are livereamed on YouTube. So every
single employee can watch them. We

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cannot vote on anything during a
workshop.

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The workshop will be just to um go over
all of this information

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and more.
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and then
we would have the two readings at two

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subsequent meetings that the employees
can come and voice their opinions at.

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And no way whatsoever would we be
shutting out the employees from from

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um having their say in this. And I think
the employees would benefit from

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watching the workshops also to um get
all the same information that we have

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here.

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Any further discussion on this?
Is there anybody who was here this

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evening to speak on this um on this item
since it is on the agenda? If so, please

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come forth and have a seat. You'll have
up to five minutes to speak on this.

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Please state your name and area of
residence when you get to that. Thank

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you.

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Ed Smith. I live on Plaque Road area. I
wanted to speak to this briefly from a

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leadership perspective having done a lot
of leadership training and I'm speaking

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speaking to the council as a whole
obviously out of the motivation that

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there can be good continuity in working
together between city employees and

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council. Um, in an ideal world or in my
perspective, city council,

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each one of you and as a body are
leaders of the city because you're

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decision makers and you have a high
degree of influence.

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Um, it's always good when city council
works together with department heads and

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then flowing down from that with
employees. I want my employees to trust

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the city council that the city council
generally has the best for the city

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employees, citizens, all of it.
It's difficult for me when decisions are

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made and things are done that I feel
erodess or damages that trust because

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I'm not here to badmouth any of you or
talk you down to my employees. I want

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them to view each of you and the council
at large highly as respectable people

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that are doing the best job they can for
the city.

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A couple of the components in what we're
discussing tonight do work to erode that

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trust. And I can tell you in city
departments right now, the level of

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trust for city council at large is very
low.

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It just is because of decisions that
have been made and especially a lack of

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consideration of what kind of message is
being presented in that. So I can tell

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you two things. All of the employees
know that the last six years of their

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raises and merit increases and cola
increases were requested by this council

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as part of this discussion. On the one
hand, you have every right to discuss

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and to gather that information,
but that in combination with wanting to

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hold the initial discussion on this in a
forum where the employees cannot speak,

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regardless of your intent, which I think
is good. Your intent is good. Sends a

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extremely strong message to the
employees. You'll notice there was

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people here last time. They're not here
tonight. There's no one here tonight.

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If employees feel like they have a voice
and that their leaders care, they will

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show up and they will give that voice. I
can tell you if I just steamroll my

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employees, they will stop showing up.
They will stop giving me input. They

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will stop talking to me. And that
indicates a breakdown of leadership on

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my part. So the message that has been
communicated by those two things

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occurring is that each employee is going
to be evaluated individually based on

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the last six years of their scheduled
merit increases, raises, whatever, and

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that that's going to play a role in a
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In summary,
regardless of the intent, the decision

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to do those two things has further
eroded trust between department heads in

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the city council and especially between
employees and the city council. We all

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understand when there's not money to do
something. If I don't have money in my

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budget, I just tell my employees flat
out, "Sorry guys and gals, we can't do

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that and this is why." That's honest.
It's upfront. They can give me feedback.

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people who generally respond really well
to that type of communication. Look, we

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can't do it this year,
but doing something different,

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digging into their financials and
placing this in a forum where they can't

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speak when it's first discussed is, I
think, sending exactly the opposite of

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what you intend because it's not so much
what you intend, it's how it's received

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in that. So I would just say that just
say think carefully about that and if

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you have ever a question about how is
this going to be received and what is

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the downstream effects going to be with
the staff we're all here to help shed

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some light on that by just asking our
staff and getting opinions from them

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because they have a lot of good opinions
to share. On a personal note neither me

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or Chad are going to be here on the
night that you're trying to schedule

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this. We had all this lined out six
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Planned trips. We have lives.
We weren't even asked if we're going to

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be here. Again, the steamroller just
continues on. No consideration given to

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the people that are actually affected by
it. It damages trust regardless of

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intent. And without trust, you can't do
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» Thank you, Chief. Questions. Councilman
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So you're against us having workshop to
go over all this information?

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» I'm against sending messages to
employees that is not conducive to all

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of us working together. Well,
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compensation committee. All of the
department heads and two uh council

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members were on the total compensation
committee before we decided it was more

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appropriate to do it as a workshop. the
total compensation committee would have

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been closed to the public completely
would not have been recorded. there

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would have been no input from any
employees whatsoever and I didn't hear

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you complaining about that then
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» but what is the difference now
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would have included the input of all the
employees of the department heads that

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participated in it because we see them
every day live around them and know what

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they need to to be paid
so that you have me you have my staff I

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represent my staff

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And you can still do that during the uh
the workshop. If you're not going to be

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here, that's fine. But then we have two
readings of this ordinance after the

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workshop in order for for you and every
staff member in the city to have their

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input.
>> Councilman Banana, questions of the

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testifier, not statements to the
testifier. Thank you.

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» I I stated my motivation when I got up
here to give testimony. it's that we

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would all work together really well,
that there'd be a high level of trust

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between these two branches of
government. So my my testimony is not a

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procedural critique. It's think about
the message that you're sending. And if

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you ever wonder what type of message is
being sent, just ask the person that's

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getting the envelope. They'll tell you
because you can't take it back. Once

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that once that is sent, you can't take
it back. There are individuals on this

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council that will never win the trust of
city staff. As long as they continue to

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work here,
you're not going to win it because it's

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been lost. Once that's lost, it's almost
impossible to get it back. So, all I'm

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saying is think about that carefully
and think about those long range effects

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of those types of decisions. I do my
best

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to explain how you got you operate in
the reasonable way that you do that and

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take that back to my staff, not in a
critical way. I'll continue to try to do

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that.

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» Followup, Councilman Brandt. So are you
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the staff is
not going to appreciate the fact that we

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are doing uh a deep dive into this and
determining um the best path forward by

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having a workshop on it? And do you
think it's it's appropriate for the

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mayor to twice uh disregard the orders
of the council? Both times you asked me

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a question, you took your perspective on
it and you flipped the question and put

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words in my mouth and you're asking me
to agree with your perspective. You You

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have your perspective.
>> It just asks you the question. It

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» it's valid. What I shared in my
testimony is my perspective. That's the

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extent of what I wanted to share.

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» Any further questions?
Thank you. Anyone

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else like to speak to this?
>> So, what we're saying is that um

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» Excuse me. Go ahead,
>> Councilman Williams.

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» So, what we're saying is that we're
going to vote on this and and not dig

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into it. Is that what we're saying? Or
have maybe one person make a decision?

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Is that what we're saying? Or are all
all of us going to have a

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um say in this?
Councilman Williams, I don't understand

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your question. Can you rephrase your
question so that it makes sense?

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» Are we going to have a say into this
particular situation?

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Trying to understand it more.

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» Councilman Williams, you you have a
voting position on this council. So yes,

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certainly sir, you have a say on whether
or not this moves forward as it has been

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seconded by you.
>> Shouldn't we work through it and and see

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exactly what's going on in here? Yes or
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» Yes, I certainly think we should. Thank
you for your question. I hope I answered

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it. Councilman Schuster.
Yeah, I I think to council uh and

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Williams point, not to his point, but to
answer his question is that uh we would

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still have discussion on it tonight just
as we would in a workshop. The the what

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I struggle with is I understand what the
chief is talking about um and timing and

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then how that looks for employees, us
kicking this can down the road. And I

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understand that. The the part I struggle
with is this is the biggest line item in

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our budget and we have asked for a
workshop on this now twice. A work

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session on it twice

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a and I think there is more conversation
that happens in a work session than

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there is in council meetings. And I I
think that's that's fine. And I

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understand we're still going to have two
readings, but being the largest line

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item in our budget, it would nice to
have the work session and then have the

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two readings on it to discuss, you know,
more each time and get input after the

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first reading. That's the part I
struggle with. I think where I'm at now

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is I'm tired of kicking this can down
the road. It's not good for the

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employees um for us to keep doing that.
And so that's the part I'm struggling

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with.
>> And I agree with you, Mr. Schustster,

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um, very much. We could discuss this
line item tonight and at the very end

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not make a decision and postpone it to
our next meeting. We could do that for

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the next six months if we so desired
that this could be a line item on every

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single council meeting we have. And I
don't disagree with you that it is the

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largest spend
that the city has in our yearly budget,

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but these are real people's lives and it
will start to affect retention of our

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employees if we continue to kick this
down the road with workshops and lots.

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Councilman Brandt,
>> few things. First of all, these wages

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don't go into effect until next year.
So, we're we're not kicking it down the

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road. Um, second of all, to Mr.
Schuster's point, like I've brought up

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before, it is the largest single item
line item on our budget, but by far our

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budget, when we do our budget, we have
three workshops on it, and then we have

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three meetings on it.
All council is asking for is one

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workshop before we we um have the
reading of the ordinance. Um,

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I don't think a single employee,
regardless of what Chief Smith says,

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would hold it against us for getting the
most information that we possibly can

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before we make a decision on this.

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» Councilman Brandt, I don't know how much
more information you need. Our CFO

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worked tirelessly
last week, week before last, to provide

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you with the requested information of
six years worth of employee information

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about wages, wage increases,
professional development, any steps that

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they made for the last six years. And
tonight you are saying you do not have

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enough information in front of you. I'm
looking at it. It's a pile of

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information. It's a freaking book. And
you cannot discuss this item tonight for

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our employees benefits. I'm astounded by
what you're saying, please.

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I'm saying that we need a workshop to
discuss this pile of information.

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Um, like Mr. Schuster said, a workshop
is less formal. It's way easier to get

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the information out, to go through the
information. Um,

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it's just very informative
and again, council's twice told you we

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want this and if we postpone this
ordinance again, it's not going to make

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a bit of difference. These wages don't
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Any further discussion on this? Anyone
else like to chime in?

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Madame clerk, please call the role.

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» On the motion to postpone ordinance
202619,

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employee pay until after a work session
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Miss Rolf.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Skips.

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No,
>> Mr. Brown.

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» Yes,
>> Mr. Williams.

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» Yes,
>> Mr. Schuster.

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» No,
>> Church.

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» No. Would anyone like to change their
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» I failed three to three.
>> Okay. Any further amendments to our

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agenda this evening?

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Madam clerk, please call the role on the
agenda.

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» In the approval of the agenda, Miss
Rolf,

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» yes.
>> Mr. Brandt,

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» no.
>> Mr. Skips?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Schuster?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Williams?

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» No.
>> Mayor Church?

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» Yes. Would anyone like to change their
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» That pass to two.
>> Okay. Thank you. And then and then just

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that was approval of the agenda and
consent agenda. Correct.

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» Yes.
>> All right. Thank you.

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Item number seven is minutes that has
been consented. Um communications for

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the mayor.
First off, I would like to say

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thank you and congratulations to Terresa
Parsons. Um she is not here this evening

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but um she has been with the city of
North Pole for five years um as an

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accounting
a utility billing clerk and we

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appreciate all of her efforts here at
the city of North Pole. So I know you're

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watching tonight Teresa. Thank you for
all you do. We appreciate you.

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Um other communications from the mayor
has been a very busy three weeks in the

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office. Um we had the Alaska Defense
Forum. Um the fall Alaska Municipal

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League which happened to be held both of
these conferences here in Fairbanks. Um

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unfortunately I was the only one to
attend. I appreciate Councilman Claus

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who signed up but at last minute um had
to cancel due to um other meetings. I I

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want to say
thank you to the Alaska Defense Forum

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and Alaska Municipal League for having
them here in Fairbanks. Um it was very

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busy. I had meetings with Senator
Sullivan

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um who was in attendance and also um
Lisa Marowski was there. I just want to

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thank everybody from the military and
veterans affairs who showed up and the

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community as a whole who showed up to
both of these events. Um it's great to

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have them here in Fairbanks. I would
like to take a second and uh

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thank Senator Sullivan for showing up
last Friday. He came to North Pole.

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Um
took time out of his very busy schedule,

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met with decision makers here in the
North Pole area about what our needs are

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here in North Pole. being between two
military bases that brings

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a lot of information to him and I'm
appreciative that he reaches out to

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North Pole area stakeholders to ask. I
also want to thank him for attending the

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North Pole High School football game and
giving up his evening um to toss out the

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coin and watch the football game. He sat
the first half in the North Pole bench

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and the second half with the West Valley
Wolfpack.

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Um,
other homecoming related news, I'd like

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to thank all the volunteers who helped
make the homecoming parade in North Pole

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happen. Um, really very much appreciate
that. Um, other North Pole news, a huge

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shout out to the Lady Patriots for
playing

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um, really hard last week in Vald. They
played more than 30 sets. And uh

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North Pole Sports, if if you're not
paying attention to North Pole Sports,

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Mr. Skips, I know know you know this as
much as anybody. Mr. Schustster, I see

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you at the games. Thank you for your
support, but uh they're really moving

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ahead in North Pole and I appreciate
that. Um, last Friday I got the

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opportunity to attend
um, a fun little science project for the

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fourth and fifth graders at North Pole
Elementary. They did water testing and

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fish habitat testing on our Fifth Avenue
pond and Christmas Creek. And I want to

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thank the Tanana Valley Watershed
Association in partner with UAF for

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coming out to North Pole and doing that.
Um, it's great to see the kids learning

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even though it was a rainy terrible day.
Um, it was great to see him learning and

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having fun. I also want to thank Officer
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That was a huge hit with the kids. And
uh with that, we'll move on for

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questions of the mayor.

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Councilman Brent,
>> where are we with hiring a new director

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of city services?
>> At this time, I have chosen not to hire

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a director of city services.
We had um interviews. We had three

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applicants who came by, came forth and
interviewed.

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And uh

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one of the applicants wanted far more
than the city could offer. Um the second

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applicant um had certain attributes that
would have been beneficial to the city

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of North Pole. um but not totally the
best fit and uh we're still working to

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decide whether or not we're going to
take that back out for advertisement or

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how we're going to move forward with
that.

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Thank you. Any further questions?
Councilman Brandt, a follow-up.

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» Why would you not revertise that
position if we did not hire somebody?

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Um because anybody who saw it the first
time it was out um

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already saw it. Councilman Brandt um I I
wish I had a better answer. We had three

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applicants. Follow-up question, please.
>> That was nearly four months ago.

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» Thank you for the timeline, Councilman
Brandt. Any further questions?

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Okay,
with that brings us to communications

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from department heads and burough
representative.

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Please take the mic, rob it, run with
it. Good evening. Thank you for joining

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us. Chief Chambers,
uh members of the council, Mayor Church,

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uh and our city clerk, current city
clerk, uh thank you for the time. I'm

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filling in for Chief Heineken while he
is uh on vacation in the mountains far

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far away.
Best as I know. Um a couple of things to

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report for the fire department. Uh we
have completed our third annual uh

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apprenticeship program. Uh the academy
ended at the 29th of August. We did our

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final state testing on hazardous
materials. Uh all of five candidates,

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all five participants passed the
firefighter one portion which ended two

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weeks earlier. We're waiting on their
test scores for hazmat from the state.

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Um and once I have those, we'll have our
final. The three full-time paid in

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apprentices have been put on shift
already. They're up to speed in training

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and they meet meet the standards that we
need for for employment. Uh the other

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two were volunteers. They did this on
their own. uh it saved them some money

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from the CTC program. Uh they'll
probably pursue a path towards being one

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of our part-time members once they
complete their EMT status. Uh great

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crew. They really gelled together and it
was a very successful apprenticeship

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program. uh of the apprenticeship
programs out of the this is the third

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one we've had. We've hired two people
directly out of the apprenticeship

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program, two staff positions. Our latest
one being Jake Phillips who accepted a

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firefighter position and started on the
6th. So, uh it's it's definitely borne

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fruit for us. of the others, there's
only one person participant that didn't

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go on to a fire service career um or
into emergency services. In fact, he may

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be pursuing the the uh justice services
track. So, he might come around. You

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never know. Uh very successful program
and we appreciate your guys' continued

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support of it. Uh especially if you see
Jake, give him, you know, he's the local

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kid. He's done really good. that he
started as a junior firefighter with us

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and just worked his way in and now he's
got a full-time spot. So, we're glad to

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have him and thank you again for all of
your support.

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» That's great news, Chief. Thank you. Any
questions for Chief Chambers?

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» Mr. Harlock. Good evening.
>> Good evening, council. Um been spending

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quite a few time a little bit of time
working on Tyler uh getting the AR

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module set up for invoicing that's uh
ready to go and working on um getting

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the credit card module ready. So that's
ready to go. I'll have the uh financial

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policies and procedures uh ready for you
guys on Friday for the next council

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meeting. And then I spend quite a bit of
time working on the employee wage

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request and the uh six-year analysis.

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Any questions for
Mr. CFO.

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» Okay.
>> And then we've also been working on the

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uh budget. We've received uh most of the
budgets back from the department heads

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and we're getting uh making headway on
the mayor and I reviewing that in a

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couple weeks.
>> Well, I want to say thank you for

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stepping up to the plate and helping us
since we don't have a director of city

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services and taking a lot of extra work
on um through and for project and all

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that stuff too. Y
>> I really appreciate that and thank you

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for your help.
Pete Smith,

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» just a couple things to share. One, I'll
be flying out this Sunday and I'll be

423
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,560
gone for about two weeks. Um, you can
still call me if you need to. I should

424
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,480
have cell phone service most of the
time. It's ended up being a a pretty

425
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:51,359
busy summer. I don't know if the
increased traffic or or what, but we've

426
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,440
been pretty busy both with uh calls for
service and then also traffic related

427
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:59,359
stuff. Um, we're still working through
integration training with the K9. We

428
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,079
have had several successful deployments
thus far though. Most recently last

429
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,920
week, AS had a pursuit that ended in a
foot bail and the instant the guy found

430
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:11,680
out a dog was on scene, he gave up and
just came running right out to the

431
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:16,160
officers. So, perfect situation, perfect
uh perfect use of that resource. All

432
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,320
right, that's all I got unless you got
any questions.

433
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:27,760
Councilwoman Rolf, did you attend a
Burough Assembly meeting? Yes. Uh I

434
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:33,760
attended the burough assembly meeting on
August 24th. Uh the assembly officially

435
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:41,200
pass their um legislative priorities. It
did pass with the addition of the

436
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:47,040
assembly requesting that the legislature
somehow tie homeschool aotments to

437
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:51,599
taking the Alaska star test. Uh there
was actually a lot of testimony on that.

438
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:56,720
Uh it was pretty controversial. Um the
testimony in general was against it. Uh

439
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,640
the vote actually to remove it was four
to three and they just lacked enough

440
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:04,480
votes to actually remove it because
there was only seven members uh of the

441
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:11,040
assembly that could vote. One was
conflicted out um from the legislative

442
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:15,920
priorities. Uh and then uh assembly
member crass who's the one who put it in

443
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:20,000
there uh was not present. Uh so they uh
failed to have the five votes to remove

444
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,560
it. So that was kind of interesting. Uh
in the end it seemed that the assembly

445
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,200
was sort of against actually having that
in there. They didn't have enough votes

446
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:31,040
to actually remove it. So it will go
forward as a legislative priority. Uh

447
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:37,119
and then they did uh enter into a
contract with the American Legion uh

448
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:42,640
post 999 to uh rent some land out by the
cemetery uh so that they'll have a place

449
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:45,680
to set up and put in a building. Um
they'll be working on fundraising for

450
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,280
the next few years. They won't actually
have a building there yet uh but the

451
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,599
plan is to get a building out there. um
kind of as a home base uh for those who

452
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:56,960
are coming to intern their loved ones so
they'll have somewhere to go and get

453
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,960
information. So that uh lease did occur
as well.

454
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:04,599
Wonderful. Thank you very much for that
update. Any questions?

455
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,760
Madame Clerk, is this the last time that
I get to say that to you unless you're

456
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,440
filling in for our new clerk?
>> Yep. And that's that's number one. We've

457
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:19,119
got a our new clerk starts next week.
I'm very excited. I think he's going to

458
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:25,040
be a great asset to the city of North
Pole and the entire community. Um, so

459
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:29,920
looking forward to that. Also, elections
are coming up on October 6th. The 2026

460
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:33,599
election information pamphlet is
available. We have it on the city's

461
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:38,880
website and there's also copies out in
the lobby, the entry at city hall. And

462
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:43,520
then I just wanted to update council on
the um invitation to bid for the for

463
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:47,440
foreclosed properties that we had. um
the Marquette property actually got to

464
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:54,480
go back to the owner after they made
payment in full for

465
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:59,280
um the balance plus fines and interest.
Um the Mockler property was sold for

466
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,680
$20,000
and the refinery loop property that Miss

467
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:10,480
Aerys testified to was not sold. We
received two bids for $10,000 each. Um

468
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:15,119
the the ordinance as it is now I am
authorized to negotiate a sale for the

469
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:20,560
on a first come first- serve basis for
anyone that comes with that 35 minute

470
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:27,760
$35,000 minimum bid. Um but I did leave
on the dis copies of Miss Aerys's offer

471
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:32,480
that she asked me to communicate to you.
And that's all I've got.

472
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,240
» Thank you, Madam Clerk. Please,
Councilman Schuster.

473
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:42,400
» Oh, we're working on it. Can you place
ordinance 20268 on the next agenda,

474
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,400
next meeting's agenda?
>> Yep.

475
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:53,599
» Any other questions for Madame Clerk?
I want to say thank you for all that

476
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:59,040
you've done. I know it's a lot of extra
work that you took on to fill that

477
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:05,200
acting role and we appreciate all of
your efforts. I know it's been a lot of

478
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:09,599
long hours, so thank you, Miss Kimmel.
Um for utilities, the fire hydrant

479
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:15,520
relocation project has been continuing
and should be ready to put out to bid

480
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:21,680
next week. Um that's phase one. And then
phase two will put out the bid um spring

481
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:27,359
of 2027. That would be relocating the
fire hydrant over there by Three Bears

482
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:32,960
and Summit Church. Um the lagoon
rehabilitation efforts are nearing 95%

483
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:39,200
completion and should be finished up
this week. Um and paired together with

484
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:42,960
the sewer outfall project. And the sewer
outfall project, the environmental work

485
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:49,280
should be starting on that within the
next couple of weeks along with geotech

486
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:55,119
to find out what type of soils we have
on our way out to the sewer project.

487
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,960
Councilman Schuster, go ahead. Before I
move on with my next report.

488
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:05,839
» Yeah. I just curious if uh we had heard
back if we're allowed to use engineering

489
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:08,880
that we've already
>> that we talked about a couple meetings

490
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:13,200
ago or are we going to be allowed to use
the engineering?

491
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:17,040
» We can use the environmental.
But as far as the engineering, u Mr.

492
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:21,359
Harlock, do you want to take that
question since you communicated with

493
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:26,000
them earlier this afternoon about that?
>> Yes. Yes. Um, we have to modify the

494
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,119
letter a little bit to include the
entire scope of work that respspec is

495
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,200
going to do in addition to the
environmental and design. Their scope of

496
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:37,280
work includes the uh mixing zone support
permitting and all that other stuff

497
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,400
which was provided to HUD, but HUD needs
to see those things stated in the

498
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,079
letter. So, tomorrow I'll be sending
them a revised letter to show them that

499
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:48,920
it agrees with the other schedule they
already saw. So, we'll hear back

500
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,920
shortly.

501
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:56,960
» Any other questions for utilities?
I will move on with public works. Um,

502
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:01,440
thank you to public works. They've been
working their tail off with uh just like

503
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:05,920
everybody else. We all know winter's
coming and we're trying to wrap up

504
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:11,680
summer projects as fast as we can. Um,
they were able to relocate the visitors

505
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:16,400
um center sign to Santa Claus Lane. That
has been a request um for the last year

506
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:23,440
and a half that they have tried to get
that moved through DOT. we were able to

507
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:30,000
get um authority to to remove that sign
from Dawson Road and uh and mistletoe

508
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,920
and move that into our own city. So
that's out there just as you come out of

509
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:40,240
the roundabout driving traffic into the
visitor center or now the welcoming

510
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:43,520
center. Um
I don't know if you noticed the new

511
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:50,240
drainage ditch down here by the dog
park. um that is to help with the

512
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:54,240
seasonal road drainage or seasonal
drainage that comes off of Snowman Lane

513
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:58,880
and sort of pools in front of that dog
park. They are going to regrade that dog

514
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:04,800
park so it drops into that drainage so
that those dog park users um don't have

515
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:09,680
all that water to contend with in the
spring as the snow starts to melt. And

516
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:15,440
it will also make it easier for our
public works department to pump that out

517
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:19,520
and and have that drainage ditch there.
Um they have been over working on

518
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:24,960
Blanket Boulevard and the working the
walking path extension to connect

519
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:30,720
Blanket Boulevard from Psalms Way to
Blanket Boulevard walking path that is

520
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:34,560
off of Fifth. So thank them for that.
And then they have also been working on

521
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:40,480
the drainage projects in Ford's
subdivision. A culvert was installed

522
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:46,240
this past week at Rosson's Crossway
across Rosson's Crossway to allow water

523
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:52,240
to flow into a drainage easement that we
have down on First Avenue that flows

524
00:46:48,640 --> 00:47:01,760
into a gravel pit. At the same time, we
also um dug a test hole down off of the

525
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:09,040
holding pond on First Avenue. And when
they put that in, they were about 2 ft

526
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:13,520
shy of good um soil to be able to drain
that pond. So it was acting like a pool

527
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:19,440
and not actually able to make it down
into the groundwater table. Um so we

528
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:25,520
have about two more feet to go to get
down into good ground where that water

529
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:30,640
will dissipate faster and hopefully help
the drainage issues in Ford subdivision.

530
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:37,920
with those two. Um we are asking for
contractors to bid on um digging out the

531
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:45,440
extra 2 feet, sliding the gravel that we
put on top of um non-permeable soil over

532
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:50,160
into the permeable
gravel and then digging out the other

533
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:55,680
side and what that would cost. I think
if either side of that drainage ditch

534
00:47:52,319 --> 00:48:00,400
got down into good soil where the water
could disperse, that will certainly help

535
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:05,920
out any drainage problems in Ford
subdivision. So, more to come on that.

536
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:13,280
Um the snow removal bids um have been
received and opened as of last Friday um

537
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:18,800
2027. Um we'll have that on our agenda
next meeting for the the snow removal

538
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:23,680
for 2027. Any questions for public
works?

539
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,880
All right, with that I believe that that
closes out communications from

540
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:31,040
department heads and burough
representative.

541
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:37,760
Moving on to ongoing project reports,
which we do not have. Brings us to item

542
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:45,079
12A, ordinance 2026-9.
Can I get a motion, please, to introduce

543
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:45,079
Hold on one second, please.

544
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:56,800
Sure. Yeah. You gonna make them a little
bit bigger for us? Can we start?

545
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:02,000
Gotcha. Okay. Um, if you want to just
burn one copy, I can give them mine

546
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:09,480
because I made an extra copy. Okay. Can
I get a motion, please, to introduce um

547
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,480
12A, please?

548
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:17,319
Motion to introduce ordinance 2026-9
amending employee pays.

549
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,960
» So moved and seconded

550
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:36,760
brings us on to a staff report
and he just went to make copies. Do

551
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,640
we'll wait just a minute here. It'll be
okay.

552
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:07,160
Okay, I suppose with that I'll try and
muddle through a staff report.

553
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:17,440
Patience is a virtue.
Thank you for the copies, Mr. Harluck.

554
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:22,599
Appreciate that. Um would you mind
providing a staff report on this item?

555
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:34,280
Thank you. this uh ordinance 2619
for the employee pay. Um

556
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:41,920
all city employees excluding the mayor
uh casual employees, temporary employees

557
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:46,160
shall be paid monthly hourly wage in
accordance with the position

558
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:49,359
classification title and date of hire.
Um

559
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,240
employees being promoted to positions of
higher pay shall receive a start date

560
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,920
adjustment that places them at the
increased salary closest to their

561
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:59,119
subsequent pay scale salary. Such
adjustment shall be recorded in the

562
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:06,520
employees personnel file and used
throughout the tenure of that position.

563
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,520
The proposed change

564
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:14,720
is to remove the employees excluding
personnel on the city services pay scale

565
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:20,880
over step 20. Uh employees overstep 20
will receive a 3% increase on the first

566
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:28,200
full pay period and employees
um

567
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:28,200
yeah it's pretty bad at staff report. Um

568
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:41,839
yeah you could take it you want.
So I mean we're reviewing cola increase.

569
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:46,559
Um, my numbers, I know Chad's numbers
are based on the AML report we look at

570
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:50,559
statewide, right? I make a list and I
try to drop our department with all the

571
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:55,119
positions in somewhere in the middle.
Not too high, not too low. This year,

572
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,800
that ended up being 3% that lands us
right in the sweet spot of what we've

573
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,000
historically done. Chad apparently came
up with the same thing because he also

574
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:06,480
proposed 3%.
And then everything else is just

575
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:13,040
harmonizing the the monthly or monthly
yearly step increases changing the 1.5

576
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:16,960
to 3% and then after 20 um to 3% in
accordance with the ordinance that was

577
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:21,280
passed last October for city services.
So that applies the consistency across

578
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:28,400
the board for that aspect of it and then
also just as a 3% cola increase.

579
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:32,720
» Okay. Thank you staff. Appreciate that.
brings us to call for public testimony.

580
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:38,040
Is there anybody in the room or signed
up online who would like to give public

581
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,040
testimony to this item?

582
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:46,000
» Okay, with that it moves us on to
council discussion.

583
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:50,160
Councilman Brandt, just want to say this
isn't as simple as just a cola increase.

584
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,880
The cola increase is already built into
the pay scale. There's a 3% uh goal

585
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,559
increase every single year for every
single employee in the pay scale

586
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:07,359
already. This was intended to see if our
employees were being compensated fairly

587
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:14,079
compared to other
uh employees in similar similar jobs.

588
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,839
Um
I'm not going to delve into that

589
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:27,760
tonight. So if you just want to stick
with the 3% that's fine with me. But the

590
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:34,240
other um comment I have is that um
the way a pay scale works from from 1 to

591
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:38,160
10 years it was a uh annual 3% cola
basically.

592
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:46,720
Uh after 10 years it dropped down to
1.5% for some reason.

593
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:52,480
This will um change that to 3% across
the board from from step one through

594
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:57,920
step 20 and beyond. So if somebody is
here 30 years, they still get the 3% per

595
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:03,920
year um
increase. But I want to make clear that

596
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:08,440
if somebody, let's say somebody is
currently at a step 18,

597
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:16,319
but they're making I, this is far too
small for me to read, so I'll just make

598
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:23,480
these numbers up. Let's say somebody's
at a step 18 and they're currently

599
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:23,480
making $50 an hour.

600
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:34,559
when we ch if we change this to where uh
steps 11 through 20 increase 3% per year

601
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:41,680
instead of 1.5% per year that step 18 is
going to go up drastically.

602
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:47,240
Um, so I just want to make clear that if
somebody is above a step 10, their

603
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:54,960
their current step would be adjusted
backwards to their current the closest

604
00:55:52,559 --> 00:56:02,000
current pay, if that makes sense. So if
they're making 40 now and the new step

605
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:09,280
18 would be 60, they would go back to
whatever step 40 is and then from that

606
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:17,680
point on um accumulate the the 3% per
year. They won't get the, you know,

607
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:22,160
20ome% increase this particular year. Um
am I making that clear? I'm not sure if

608
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:28,559
I'm explaining that properly. The pay
would then be reverted to the nearest

609
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:34,480
pay scale that fits that employee. Yes,
that appreciate that. Councilman Brandt,

610
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:39,839
Councilman Schuster,
>> asking Councilman Brandt, I to maybe

611
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:44,400
explain that a little further.
>> So, let again, let's let's just say

612
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:49,280
somebody is currently at a step 18 and
they're currently making $40. the step

613
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:56,079
18 is going to increase drastically
because instead of 1.5% per year, it

614
00:56:52,240 --> 00:57:02,880
will go up 3% per year. So there will be
a 1.5% increase um for every single year

615
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:08,000
for every single step. So the 18 instead
of currently 40, it might be 60. Let's

616
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,599
say what like I said, I I I don't have
my glasses. I can't read this tiny

617
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:17,680
print.
So the employee would not get that $20

618
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:21,599
an hour raise. they would get the 3%
raise.

619
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:26,960
So their
their wage would determine what step

620
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:32,640
they are. So if they're currently a step
18 and they're making $40 an hour, but a

621
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:36,880
step 12 is the closest to $40 an hour,
then they would their step would go back

622
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:41,440
to a 12, it wouldn't the step wouldn't
stay at an 18 and they would get the the

623
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:49,119
new 18
wage. if the I'm I'm sorry that I I have

624
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:52,240
difficulty explaining stuff like that. I
understand it in my head, but

625
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,520
» Okay,
>> Councilman Brent, I have a bigger copy

626
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,680
here if you'd like that. That might be a
little easier to read for you. I'll take

627
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:04,000
your smaller copy. My eyes are still
fairly good. Is that helpful?

628
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:09,680
» Bigger. Thank you.
>> Oh, okay. Good enough. Do you want would

629
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:13,359
you like it up on the screen, madam
clerk? Would you mind? You can't even

630
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:19,680
see this. It's not a big deal. I was
just going to use just a I was just

631
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:25,240
going to use one as an example, but you
understand what I'm saying now, Jordan,

632
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,240
or Okay, thank you.

633
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:39,200
» I would like to propose an amendment to
lines 33 and 36

634
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:45,280
inside the quotations. um employees
excluding the fire department personnel,

635
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:50,760
department heads, and the mayor.
End quotation.

636
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,760
Um

637
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:02,000
second skips.
>> Thank you, Mr. Skips, for the second.

638
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:09,599
» Mayor, will you please repeat that?
um lines 33 and 36 in the quotations

639
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:14,240
adding on to excluding fire department
to also add department heads and the

640
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:19,280
mayor
since all department heads and the mayor

641
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:24,680
can set their own schedule if they're
regularly scheduled. um time

642
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:34,720
is in between any one of these um shift
differential pays

643
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:39,040
um they would be entitled to that. So, I
would like to just make it clear to

644
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:43,760
everybody that u department heads and
and myself um shouldn't get differential

645
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:47,760
pay just because we've decided to
schedule ourselves

646
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:52,880
um
in the middle of the night or in the

647
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:57,880
late evening
um to clear that up.

648
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Any

649
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,440
questions or discussion on that?

650
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,839
» Madame clerk, please call the role.

651
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:18,960
» On the motion.
>> I have

652
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:23,839
» Yes, it it was moved and seconded. Moved
by myself and seconded by Mr. Skips.

653
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:29,839
Please call the role. Madam clerk,
>> on the motion to amend ordinance 202619

654
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:37,680
by inserting
department heads and mayor inside the

655
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:39,839
the brackets on lines 33 and 36. Mr.
Schuster,

656
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,160
» yes.
>> Mr. Williams,

657
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,319
I
>> say no.

658
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,799
Miss Rolf,
>> yes.

659
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,799
» Mr. Brandt,
>> yes.

660
01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:00,240
» Mr. Skips,
>> yes.

661
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:05,200
» Mayor Church,
>> yes. Would anyone like to change their

662
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:09,799
vote?
>> Pass 5 to one.

663
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,799
» Thank you.

664
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:18,160
Any further discussion on this
ordinance? Oh, please, Chief. I just was

665
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,400
going to offer a little history if you
guys want. Nice. That'd be great.

666
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:27,359
» So, it was originally a longevity
increase yearly, not intended to be a

667
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:33,520
cola because in some positions there's
no further promotion possibility, right?

668
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:38,720
So, that increase was built in. Then the
1.5, so it was 3% before, right? And

669
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:42,559
then a previous council member looked at
what would happen if someone stayed here

670
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:45,839
for 55 years or something like that and
they were like, "Oh my goodness, they're

671
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:50,880
going to be making a lot of money." And
so they decreased that and eliminated

672
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:56,079
the after 20. The argument at that time
was that you're always have the prep

673
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:02,079
preponderance of your employees in the
ninestep range. You know, people midway.

674
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:06,480
you maybe have a couple outliers, but
you're not going to see this entire bulk

675
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:11,520
group of people move out to the, you
know, 35th step type thing. And so

676
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,000
that's but that fear is why it was
reduced to 1.5.

677
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,520
Thank you for that history. Appreciate
that, Chief.

678
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:25,280
Any further discussion on this ordinance
for this evening?

679
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,960
» Please, Councilwoman Rolf.
>> Great. Okay. So, my understanding of the

680
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:34,960
purpose behind the committee that was
eliminated was to review what is the

681
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:39,400
appropriate pay for all departments. I'm
only seeing three of our departments

682
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,400
here.

683
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:47,599
» Correct.
>> Why? Um, city services was evaluated la

684
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:55,920
last October and voted on by this
council um to receive a um 5% increase

685
01:02:52,400 --> 01:03:01,839
which changed the entire scale for um
the one and a half and 1% after scale

686
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:07,680
10.
>> Great. My understanding at that time was

687
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:12,960
that was because at the previous
three-year one that occurred three years

688
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:16,880
prior kind of got shafted and they were
not included in that. So that would have

689
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:23,119
caught them up to the increase that
occurred two years prior. So

690
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:26,160
essentially they are caught up to where
they should have been two years prior

691
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,440
and now we're going to bump everybody
but them again and ended up in the same

692
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:34,160
position.
>> And that was the narrative that was sold

693
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:37,599
to you. agreed and was voted on by this
council.

694
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,280
Please, Councilman Brandt,
>> that wasn't didn't answer my question,

695
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:45,200
but sure. All right. Go ahead.
>> No, no, that was not that didn't answer

696
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,680
our question, but I don't I don't have
another one because he doesn't have an

697
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,359
answer, so that's fine.
>> Can I speak to that?

698
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:55,440
» Yes.
>> I I believe that city services was

699
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:59,359
included in the increase
three years ago.

700
01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:04,960
They
three years ago there was a 3% cola

701
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:09,720
increase that was citywide all
departments so they were included.

702
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:16,640
» Did that answer your question or do you
have another follow-up?

703
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,799
» No, it doesn't match the testimony that
was given, but that's fine.

704
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:26,160
Councilman Brandt,
>> if this is truly just a cola um

705
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:31,119
increase, then every single employee
deserves that. So, I would like to make

706
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:38,559
a motion to
uh include public works and utilities

707
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:47,119
um
in in this ordinance and um give every

708
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:51,440
every one of those employees a 3% goal
increase. also

709
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:56,440
» second.
>> So moved and seconded. Discussion.

710
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:07,599
» Madam clerk, please call the role.
>> On the motion to amend ordinance 202619

711
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:12,480
and include public works and utilities
in the 3% increase. Mr. Williams,

712
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,480
» yes.
>> Mr. Brandt,

713
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:16,079
» yes.
>> Miss Ralph,

714
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,839
» yes.
>> Mr. Mr. Schuster.

715
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,839
» Yes.
>> Mr. Skips.

716
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,520
» Yes.
>> Mayor Church.

717
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:27,680
» No. Would anyone like to change their
vote?

718
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:32,240
» I pass 5 to one.
>> Excellent.

719
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,240
Any further discussion on this
ordinance?

720
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,880
» Mr. Skips.
>> One question. So now with

721
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:49,920
change we just made with 3% for
everybody. Now, this is everybody's on

722
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:56,480
the same basically playing level now,
right? Everybody's even with the 3%.

723
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:59,920
Everybody's online.
Yes, that was the amendment that

724
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:06,280
everybody in the city, all city
employees received the suggested 3%

725
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,280
increase.

726
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:15,280
So what happened is three years ago when
we did this the city director at that

727
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:21,119
time in my opinion did not advocate for
his people the way he should have. It

728
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:25,359
was done the increase was given citywide
but not as much as should have been in

729
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:31,200
that department. We broke the pay scales
up so department heads can can put what

730
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:34,640
they need forth because it's different
markets, right?

731
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:39,200
And I don't ever want to go back to
conjoining that, but he just he didn't

732
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:43,680
do that. And so that left them feeling
behind. So there is truth to what you're

733
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:47,039
hearing in that. But it was based on the
department head not pushing what he

734
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:51,760
should have pushed and not doing the
work he should have done. Not so much

735
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:58,520
that we failed as a city to do it. So
they got they were made right last year.

736
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,520
So what we're doing now

737
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,799
is I think good. Not that it will
harmonize everybody perfectly, but I

738
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,799
don't agree with everyone being
harmonized perfectly. We do different

739
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:12,799
jobs. So, if that's competitive and it
keeps people in their department, I

740
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:19,440
support that fully. Same thing for my
department. So, no issues here. Um,

741
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:23,160
it'll it'll it'll send the a strong
right type of message.

742
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:30,559
» Thank you, Chief. Did you have a
followup, Mr. Skips?

743
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:36,480
No, I was just trying to wrap this whole
thing around in my head. But yeah, it's

744
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:39,839
it's making sense. I mean,
when it comes to pay, people are always

745
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:43,440
going to complain, right? I don't get
enough. Why do they get more than me?

746
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:49,200
And blah blah blah. But like Chief said,
everybody has different jobs. And if

747
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,160
you're
bosses

748
01:07:50,720 --> 01:08:00,160
don't fight for your pay raise, then you
don't pay raise. So that was a wrong of

749
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:04,559
whoever was in charge of the services at
the time who didn't basically fight for

750
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:12,599
his people to say, "Hey, we want more
money." So I guess this right is kind of

751
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:12,599
right in the right.

752
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,359
Yeah. Okay. I'm just trying to wrap it
in my head. Okay. No, I'm good. Thank

753
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:24,560
you.
>> Please, Councilman Schuster.

754
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:28,799
» Ask the CFO if maybe the next reading it
would be possible.

755
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:35,040
um where you could give us kind of a
overview of a budget impact.

756
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:43,319
» Yes, I already have that prepared. I can
give it to you on Fridays.

757
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:43,319
» Mine's approximately 46K total.

758
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:54,159
» Any further discussion on this
ordinance?

759
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:59,279
Madame clerk, please call the role
>> on ordinance 202619, employee pay as

760
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:01,199
amended. Mr. Williams,
>> yes.

761
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,040
» Mr. Brandt,
>> yes.

762
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,640
» Mr. Skips,
>> yes.

763
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:07,120
» Mr. Schuster,
>> yes.

764
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:08,880
» Miss Rolf,
>> yes.

765
01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:12,960
» Mayor Church,
>> yes.

766
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:18,799
» Would anyone like to change their vote?
>> I passed six to zero.

767
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:24,480
» Anybody need a break or we keep going?
Seeing none, we'll keep rolling. brings

768
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:32,319
us on to item 13A,
ordinance 2026-20.

769
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:38,080
Can I get a motion, please, to introduce
>> Move to introduce ordinance 2026-20,

770
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,799
business license transfer?
>> Second. Skips.

771
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:46,799
» So moved and seconded. I'll give the
staff report. This was brought on by our

772
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:54,719
business tax clerk um when a certain
local business called and wanted to

773
01:09:50,159 --> 01:10:00,880
transfer their license to a new owner.
They had already paid the

774
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:08,080
current year's business license, but per
our code would require them to get a new

775
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:11,440
business license under their own name,
even though it had already been paid

776
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:16,239
for.
I didn't find that to be fair or make

777
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:22,400
sense. I understand it's important that
we as a city know who owns the business

778
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:27,199
um whether it's a a taxpaying business
or not, but know who the owner is. So,

779
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:32,159
if there is ever an issue in the middle
of the night and and Chief Smith needs

780
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:36,080
to call that business owner, it's
important that we know who that business

781
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:42,000
owner is. And this just clarifies and
cleans this section of code up um to

782
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:46,400
make sense.
Madame clerk, is there anybody in the

783
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:51,280
room or signed up online who would like
to give testimony to this item?

784
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:55,360
» I have no one online.
>> Thank you. That brings us to council

785
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:58,320
discussion,
please. Councilman Skip,

786
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,679
» is the business going to be the same
name or it's a completely different

787
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:08,000
name?
>> Business would have to be the same name

788
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:12,640
to continue to hold that license.
If it's a new name that

789
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,920
» is a new business which requires a new
license.

790
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:17,360
» Yeah.
>> Councilman Brandt.

791
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:23,280
» So, the new business owner is still
going to be required to fill out a new

792
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:28,480
business license application,
but the fee they would not have to pay

793
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:34,679
the fee until the beginning of the next
year. Is that the way you intend this?

794
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,679
» That is correct.

795
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:41,920
» Thanks, Councilwoman Ralph. Uh the
language has changed slightly from 15 to

796
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:47,280
16 because of the amendments. I uh
believe it's supposed to say on 16 that

797
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:51,760
it's a surrender the license. Uh
previously it was you're surrendering

798
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:56,159
something by the license e. So I think
it just needs an e removed from it if

799
01:11:53,760 --> 01:12:00,239
that's the intent is that there the
previous owner that's selling it is

800
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:05,280
surrendering their current license and
the city will reissue a new one to the

801
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:14,080
new.
I I think we can do that on a clerical.

802
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:19,679
That is my bad as a real estate ly. Um
I apologize for the extra e if madame

803
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:24,960
clerk is that okay to remove the e from
line 16.

804
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:33,840
Um
rather or do we need a formal amendment

805
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:41,400
to remove what I believe is an extra e?
I'm just going to look at code and see

806
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:41,400
if it was a typo or if it's changing the

807
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,840
intent.

808
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,159
Not a typo. No.

809
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:03,440
Let's make it a motion just to make sure
it's clear that it's because that's

810
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:10,320
changing
Then I would make a motion uh to remove

811
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:13,320
the second E in license E on line 16.
>> Second.

812
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:22,640
» Any further discussion? Madam clerk,
please call the role.

813
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:28,640
» The motion to amend ordinance 2026-20
line 16 remove the second E from the

814
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:30,719
word L E to make it license. Miss Ralph.
>> Yes.

815
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:32,640
» Mr. Williams.
>> Yes.

816
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:34,000
» Mr. Skips. Yes,
>> Mr. Brandt.

817
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,520
» Yes,
>> Mr. Schuster.

818
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,440
» Yes,
>> Mayor Church.

819
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,679
» Yes.
>> Anybody like to change their vote?

820
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:49,400
» That pass six to zero.
>> Thank you. I would like to amend the

821
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:49,400
word right behind the extra E2 holder.

822
01:13:52,080 --> 01:14:03,480
So, it would read
must be I'm sorry. Must surrender. Yeah,

823
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:03,480
never mind. I withdraw that. Any

824
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,719
further discussion on this?

825
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:12,360
» Madam clerk, please call the role.

826
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:18,560
» On ordinance 2026-20
as amended. Mr. Schustster,

827
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,239
» yes.
>> Mr. Skips,

828
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,600
» yes.
>> M. Ralph,

829
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,520
» yes.
>> Mr. Williams,

830
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,800
» yes.
>> Mr. Brandt,

831
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,800
» yes.
>> Mayor Church,

832
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:31,920
» yes. Would
>> anyone like to change their vote?

833
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:37,600
That pass six to zero.
>> Thank you, madam clerk. That brings us

834
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:40,760
on to item 13B. I get a motion, please,
to introduce

835
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:47,280
» um motion to introduce ordinance
2026-21,

836
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:52,400
minor offense fine schedule.
>> Second, skip.

837
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:58,480
» So moved and seconded. Um I'll give the
staff report as a city staff. um we got

838
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:05,120
together and discussed some of the
garbage fines, junk fee fines,

839
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:10,320
and uh what constitutes
um how many vehicles you can have on

840
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:14,560
your property. And I believe that this
got out of order and should have been um

841
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:20,640
the other way around, which is my own
fault for not catching it, but um

842
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:27,760
just changing some of the the fees and
fines for dog waste, junk vehicles, and

843
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:33,199
garbage that's either deposited in
place, in containers, or out of

844
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:38,800
vehicles. We have had complaints over
the last two years of people not picking

845
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:45,679
up their dog cat material along the
trails and in our dog park. And um it's

846
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:50,800
really discouraging cleanup day walking
around um the city of North Pole with

847
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:55,199
the transfer site being so close to see
how much has blown out. I can't believe

848
01:15:53,120 --> 01:16:01,679
that someone has lost a couch and a
mattress and wasn't aware of that

849
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:06,320
happening. And unfortunately,
um, there probably wasn't an officer

850
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:12,560
around or someone to enforce that, but
hopefully this will help curb that.

851
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:16,679
Um, is there anyone signed up to give
public testimony on this item?

852
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:24,159
» There's no one online.
>> And that moves us on to council

853
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:30,560
discussion.
Councilman Brandt.

854
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:35,520
» So section 8.01 01.02
garbage and refu containers required.

855
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:41,760
Um,
personally, I feel that entire section

856
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:48,080
should go away. I don't think that we
have the right to tell somebody that

857
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:53,520
they have to have a garbage can. Um,
and the the fines are are outrageous.

858
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:58,480
So, if somebody doesn't have a garbage
can out in front of their house, they're

859
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:04,360
going to get a $500 fine.
Um,

860
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,360
oh,

861
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:15,520
Councilman Brandt, have you ever had a
neighbor who leaves 40 bags of trash um

862
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:20,320
out by your property line on a hot day
and let it sit there for two weeks and

863
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:27,120
had that whiff onto your property? I
know that you live outside of um the

864
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:31,600
city where we have smaller lots where
maybe you have some room in between your

865
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:36,560
neighbor, but that isn't the case for
everybody within the city and uh

866
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:40,400
containing your trash in a reasonable
manner.

867
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:44,640
I agree, we shouldn't have to tell
anybody to do that. That should be

868
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:50,960
common sense and logic, but that isn't
always the case. Um, I get a call a week

869
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:58,159
about people not containing their
garbage to a garbage container, the

870
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:02,800
smell, or someone hauling in trash
um, next to houses, please. Councilman

871
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,400
Brandt,
>> that's not what this says whatsoever. It

872
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:10,840
just says that you have to have a
garbage can. Um,

873
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:19,040
if somebody
takes their garbage to the dump, you

874
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:23,120
know, instead of setting it outside,
they don't need a garbage can outside.

875
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:28,000
They just take their garbage to the dump
instead of setting it outside. Why do

876
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:33,840
why is it any of our business and
require them to have a garbage can

877
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:41,199
outside that they never use or we find
them $500 again? um that doesn't fix a

878
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:44,719
problem that you're you're um trying to
fix.

879
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:47,360
» Thank you, Councilman Brandt. Councilman
Skips.

880
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:52,159
» Yeah, I know in my neighborhood there's
a few houses all winter long they pile

881
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:56,480
the garbage up, the white sacks outside
their house, outside their door

882
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:01,520
and
inevitably the Ravens get into it and

883
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:07,679
now it's a big mess and now it's blowing
trash all over the street.

884
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:12,719
So, I mean, I used to do the same thing.
You know, I put in a trailer in my

885
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:19,640
garage and then once a week or whenever
it's full, I trailer it to the landfill,

886
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,640
take it out, and bring the trailer back.

887
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,000
» Yes. Thank you.
>> Yeah, it it doesn't say that you have to

888
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:30,719
have a trash can. It it does say that
you have to have a container. Uh it

889
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:36,960
doesn't need to be a plastic trash can.
It can be a truck bed. It can be a trash

890
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:45,560
truck.
Can be almost anything you want it to be

891
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:45,560
except on the ground and in a pile.

892
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:57,640
Councilman Brandt, it specifically says
dumpster port or portable metal or

893
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:57,640
plastic containers.

894
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:03,719
That's what the ordinance specifically
says.

895
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:14,080
Thank you for that. Appreciate that. I I
should maybe I should have read the

896
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:20,480
entire thing. Please, Councilwoman Rolf.
>> Uh so I don't know if it's just my legal

897
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:25,600
brain going haywire or interpreting this
too narrowly. Uh I don't read it to say

898
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:29,840
that at all. Uh it says that on the
premises somewhere you have to have a

899
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:34,239
place where garbage goes. That could be
the can inside your house. and the

900
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:40,320
garbage goes there and you take your
contained garbage in the bag and place

901
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:48,719
it outside. The way this reads, that's
not illegal. You can still do that.

902
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:54,159
That's my interpretation.
I don't know if that's too narrow uh or

903
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:58,080
too vague or however you want to do it.
That's how I read this. So, I don't get

904
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:01,960
the you have to have a can outside your
house or you're going to get fined.

905
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:08,880
But I did have another question to that.
Um,

906
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:13,520
are we citing people for this or how
many people have we cited in the last

907
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:18,000
year? I see your chuckles, so I assume
you thought this was coming.

908
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:22,719
» Yeah, that was like a we cite people
every day chuckle. No, we don't. I've

909
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:29,120
never cited anyone for this and I have
no knowledge of anyone citing anyone for

910
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:33,440
this. Um, yeah.
I guess my followup to that is what

911
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:38,640
would expect to get from the increase of
the fines if we're not actually using

912
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:42,159
this currently.
>> My bad. I thought you were talking about

913
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:46,480
the trash can thing
>> in general. Well, any of them. I mean,

914
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:54,480
it applies to to we're I mean, we're
increasing that one as well. Um, so this

915
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:59,520
is increasing 801, 02, 030, 040, 050.
How often are we citing these? Um, the

916
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:05,199
general garbage and junk vehicles a few
times a year, I would say. Um,

917
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:10,639
I would also say during my entire period
of time here, the fines only help when

918
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:14,080
someone is fairly reasonable and has
common sense. And in most cases, you go

919
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:18,239
and you talk to the person and they
clean it up without finding them. They

920
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:22,080
do absolutely nothing to deter problem
people. They don't care because they

921
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:26,800
just won't. We got one lady in town here
that's got like 12 tickets in court view

922
01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:31,440
that she hasn't paid. Then they just
stack up in there and it it doesn't do

923
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:34,800
really do any good. So longterm it be
nice if the city figured out a way to

924
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:39,840
actually move beyond just monetary fines
and actually able to I don't know do

925
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:44,560
something more to to clean the property
up. But to answer your question, usually

926
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:47,880
a few times a year, three, four, maybe
five times.

927
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:57,199
» Councilman Brandt. So, if you recall
last year, there was a gentleman in town

928
01:22:53,600 --> 01:23:05,679
that was cited uh 13 different
citations. Three of them were for um no

929
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:10,719
garbage or refugees containers. And um I
would just say that the judge threw

930
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:16,080
every single one of those um
those citations out when he went to

931
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:21,440
court.
So, if you're saying that the fines

932
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:24,440
don't really help, why are we increasing
them?

933
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:30,320
» Couple things. The judge, I I say this
carefully, but he actually broke the

934
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:34,639
rules because
magistrate district court judges can't

935
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:38,400
actually throw out mutable citations.
Um, but he did it anyway. Unfortunately,

936
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:43,679
the officer wasn't aware of that, so he
didn't bring it up in court. Um, second,

937
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:47,360
I I don't have a strong opinion either
way on increasing the amount or not

938
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:51,199
increasing the amount. I've had
conversations with the mayor about this

939
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:58,880
where I've said it, you know, it really
is only effective against people that

940
01:23:54,800 --> 01:24:06,080
are reasonable to begin with. Um, so I'm
kind of neither here nor there on it.

941
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:10,239
And and based on that, you know, I I
believe that people who want to change

942
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:17,120
will change. And usually a talk is all
it takes. You treat somebody with

943
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:21,840
respect, you get respect back. Um,
and when you don't,

944
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:26,000
you pay a stupid tax, you pay a fine,
you pay a fee, you get in trouble,

945
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:31,360
whatever the consequence from your
decision making is, you have that. You

946
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:35,600
come off and you're belligerent right
off the bat and tell somebody to f off

947
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:41,440
because I can do whatever I want on my
property. um there might not be that

948
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:48,080
leniency there, but
um I think having the first offense be a

949
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:56,239
reasonable fine that isn't drastic. But
if we have repeat offenders who are

950
01:24:52,639 --> 01:25:02,320
depositing their garbage in public
dumpsters at our city

951
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:07,840
and they continue to do that because
they don't want to take their trash to

952
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:12,000
the dump and we as a city have to bear
that cost.

953
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:16,560
There needs to be a fee for that because
we pay for the trash to be hauled off

954
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:19,560
when they can haul it to the dumpster
themselves.

955
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:26,080
» Councilman Brandt.
>> So, with the chief's testimony that

956
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:31,679
increasing the the fees really isn't
going to to do what uh what you want to

957
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:37,040
accomplish here, I'm going to be voting
against this. It just doesn't make

958
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:45,000
sense. But I have a question on 12.04.02
O2 unlawful to obstruct. Why the drastic

959
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,000
increase in those fines?

960
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:58,320
» No. More so drastic than any other
change in this fee schedule.

961
01:25:52,880 --> 01:26:02,000
» Has have we had problems with um
instructions?

962
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:07,080
What what exact problem are you trying
to solve with increasing those

963
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,080
particular fines?

964
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:14,600
Chief, would you like to take that?

965
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:30,440
Was this the pairing to match what the
state finds are?

966
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:39,360
I'm just I'm just asking
has this been an issue to the point

967
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:45,360
where
how many how many people have we talked

968
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:48,639
to or finded for this particular problem
and what is the problem that you're

969
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:51,800
trying to solve with increasing fines on
this one?

970
01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:59,600
definitely cited people for like parking
their cars on the street for extended

971
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:03,679
periods of time, but I mean I I don't
have the numbers in front of me, but

972
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:08,080
based on my tenure here, this is not
something that gets commonly cited

973
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:12,480
because it
appears to be more about placing

974
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:17,040
erecting or maintaining signs, posters,
advertising billboards,

975
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:23,199
um that type of thing, which is not not
a frequent problem in the city. I I have

976
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:26,880
never cited anyone for this the entire
time I worked here.

977
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:33,760
» Well, my question is there there's, you
know, dozens of different uh sections

978
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:39,840
and and fines here and only a few of
them were increased. Why was this

979
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:44,800
particular one increased?
mayor.

980
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:48,159
» I did send him like state statute
on some of these and so some of them

981
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:55,040
you'll have to ask him about maybe
harmonizing the two so they match.

982
01:27:51,840 --> 01:28:00,719
But I don't know for sure on this one.
>> Again, we we can site

983
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:07,760
a municipal give a municipal citation at
a lower fine than the state fine or we

984
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:14,400
can fi or we can site them for the
state. it. You know, I I don't know

985
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:19,600
why we need to meld the two together. If
we give just give them warning, say it's

986
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:23,760
$50, but you're saying here that uh your
first offense is $150.

987
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:28,080
Maybe they don't know that they can't
put a sign out on the sidewalk

988
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:33,440
advertising a yard sale,
you know, and you're going to find them

989
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:36,400
$150. That That's ridiculous. I
wouldn't, but I'd ask them if they have

990
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:40,480
a business license since they're
obviously doing it as a business.

991
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:47,600
» For a yard sale, they do not require a
business license. Any

992
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:52,000
any um sales under thousands
that do not require a state business

993
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:57,199
license do not require a city business
license by our code.

994
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:03,920
any further Oh, Chief, did you have
something you wanted to say that or

995
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:07,360
» say I think pretty much every municipal
uh citation I could remember there

996
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:11,280
there's almost none of them that you
just walk up to somebody and site cite

997
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:16,880
them because they're all compliance
stuff. It's like, hey, clean clean up

998
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:20,960
like move this car. Like 99% of the time
that has always solved the issue. I mean

999
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:26,000
the only really the only stuff you walk
right up to somebody and site them for

1000
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:30,480
is like they're doing a 60, right?
this type of stuff is all super

1001
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:34,080
discretionary and just trying to get,
you know, just trying to get whatever

1002
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:38,880
the problem is fixed. I mean, I've gone
out and helped people clean up and done

1003
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:43,520
all kinds of things to just not have to
go to court and file citations and like

1004
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:48,480
it's actually be a help. So, that's
that's kind of the police department's

1005
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:53,320
um perspective on it is just we'll try
to help you get it get it worked out.

1006
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:59,440
Councilman Brent. Well,
>> it still didn't answer my question. Is

1007
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:04,560
there a specific problem we're trying to
fix with this particular one? I mean,

1008
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:11,199
we've got disturbing the peace is only a
50 $50 offense. How come that one wasn't

1009
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:15,679
increased? And um you know, obstructing
her drainage system is only a $50

1010
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:21,920
offense. That wasn't increased, but
unlawful to obstruct was increased. My

1011
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:25,520
my question is simply is has there been
an increase in problems with this

1012
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:30,880
particular ordinance that we're trying
to fix with increasing this particular

1013
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:33,120
one? That's all I'm asking. Mayor, you
you're the one that that changed that

1014
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:36,960
one.
>> I certainly did asking why.

1015
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:40,880
» Yep. And I sponsored this entire thing.
Um,

1016
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:47,679
it does pair with the next item of
business which required me to change

1017
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:53,679
this, but um, I believe that that was a
harmonizing between what state statutes

1018
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:58,480
say and the city of North Pole municipal
code. And we certainly can state either

1019
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:03,520
one. The municipality can be stronger
than the state and be enforced. It can

1020
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:09,679
be exactly the same as the state or it
can be less than the state and enforced.

1021
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:12,960
Did that answer your question,
Councilman Brandt? A followup.

1022
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:18,400
» That's fine. Again, I'm just going to
say if the the chief is saying increase

1023
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:26,320
in the fine system going to really um
help. I I don't I don't see a sense in

1024
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:32,000
in passing this ordinance. That's all.
>> Thank you. what this ordinance also does

1025
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:38,320
um which is why I'm a little
disappointed that in in myself for not

1026
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:46,080
making sure that the order in which was
is correct um

1027
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:50,639
12 I'm sorry 80260
the junk vehicles

1028
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:57,040
um
AB or Certainly

1029
01:31:53,120 --> 01:32:02,920
does affect our city um it just happens
to be our next item of business on the

1030
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:02,920
agenda.

1031
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:09,199
Please, Councilwoman Rolf.
>> So, I know it it pairs with the other

1032
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:15,199
one, but it it also appears here. It's
changing from four to three. Uh, is

1033
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:19,440
there any resident that this would
affect immediately that have

1034
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:23,280
four junk vehicles on their property
that are going to get cited then for

1035
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:29,120
this
>> potentially?

1036
01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:33,280
Uh and then um I noticed that the next
ordinance that will be in front of us

1037
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:39,520
has an effective date of December 31st
and this has an immediate effective date

1038
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:43,320
which would be contrary to that. Um,
wouldn't that make this

1039
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:50,400
» Are you asking for an amendment to
change the effective date of our next

1040
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:55,120
item of business or would you like to
change the effective date of this item

1041
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:59,280
of business to to pair with the second
as an attorney? Um, what would be more

1042
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:03,360
app propo?
>> Well, if this one goes into effect

1043
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:10,000
immediately and is now finding somebody
for something that's not in effect yet,

1044
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:14,719
uh, that's illegal. Uh, so
the the effective dates need to match.

1045
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:19,840
Uh, which way they go, I don't care
because I don't support either

1046
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:24,719
ordinance. Um, but the way it's set up
now uh is uh illegal and could bring

1047
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:31,280
suit to the city for finding somebody
for something that's not yet

1048
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:38,320
not allowed.
>> Okay. Thank you. I'd like to amend the

1049
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:42,440
effective date to match
um ordinance 2026-22.

1050
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,000
» Second.

1051
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:59,000
» Any further discussion on the amendment?
>> Madam clerk, please call the role on the

1052
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,000
amendment of the effective date.

1053
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:14,360
On the motion to amend ordinance
2026-21,

1054
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,360
the effective date on

1055
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:20,960
lines 26 and 27 to match ordinance
202622,

1056
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:25,280
which would be an effective date of
December 31st, 2026.

1057
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,960
Mr. Skips,
>> yes.

1058
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:30,880
» Mr. Brandt,
>> no.

1059
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:33,120
Mr. Schuster,
>> yes.

1060
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,960
» M. Ralph,
>> yes.

1061
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,440
» Mr. Williams,
>> no.

1062
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:42,639
» Mayor Church,
>> yes. Would anyone like to change their

1063
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:49,040
vote?
>> That pass 4 to three or 4 to two.

1064
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:54,400
» Thank you. Any further discussion on the
ordinance,

1065
01:34:52,000 --> 01:35:00,480
Madame Clerk?
on ordinance 202621

1066
01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:03,040
as amended. Mr. Williams,
>> yes.

1067
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:06,480
» Mr. Skips,
>> yes.

1068
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,880
» Mr. Schuster.
>> Mr. Brandt?

1069
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,880
» No.
>> Miss Rolf?

1070
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,760
» No.
>> Mayor Church?

1071
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:20,000
» Yes.
>> Would anyone like to change their vote?

1072
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:23,600
» That failed three to three.
>> Yes. Mr. Williams.

1073
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:30,159
» What do we Which one are we talking?
2021, right?

1074
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:37,000
» Ordinance 202621
fee schedule.

1075
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:37,000
» Said yes before. So, let's go with no.

1076
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:46,920
» Madame clerk, will you please um
redo the role, please?

1077
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:54,560
» His vote should be

1078
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:06,600
It doesn't change the It still fails.
>> Great.

1079
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,600
» Yes, I understand.

1080
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:15,880
» His desire is what's important, Madam
Clerk.

1081
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:15,880
» Yeah. So, it fails two to four or

1082
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:27,400
Thank you.
That brings us on to item 13 C.

1083
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:36,639
Motion please to introduce
>> motion to or motion to introduce

1084
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:41,760
ordinance 2026-22.
>> So it second.

1085
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:46,719
» So moved and seconded.
um as a staff report. Chief, would you

1086
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,719
like to take this or would you like me
to

1087
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:57,840
um
it's I mean it's it's your it's your

1088
01:36:55,679 --> 01:37:02,159
ordinance, but what it's what it's
changing is the amount of vehicles and

1089
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:07,199
then it's also further clarifying what
what a junk vehicle is, which I think I

1090
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:10,880
think the clarification is good. It's
always good to have more data on what

1091
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:18,320
qualifies for that so it's less
subjective based on the officer trying

1092
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:23,520
to talk to the person and vice versa. Um
I'm also not strongly opinionated on the

1093
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:29,400
number of vehicles. Again, the problem
people are the problem people and the

1094
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:29,400
non-pro people are pretty reasonable.

1095
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:40,239
Thank you, Chief. Sorry to put you on
the spot like that.

1096
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:43,679
That brings us to public testimony. Is
there anybody signed up or online who

1097
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,679
would like to give testimony to this
item

1098
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,600
brings us to council discussion.

1099
01:37:54,000 --> 01:38:03,040
Councilman Brent.
So I I it's very hard to just look at a

1100
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:11,159
car and tell if it runs or not.
Uh in the definitions here

1101
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,159
says uh

1102
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:19,360
in a condition which exhibits two of the
following elements. Broken glass. It's

1103
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:27,679
not illegal to drive a car with broken
glass. Um missing or damaged body panels

1104
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:31,920
or parts. I don't know. There's very few
cars that don't have a broken windshield

1105
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:40,199
and and you know dented fenders and
bumpers and um so that that's not

1106
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,199
workable. Um

1107
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:46,239
has not been repaired because of
mechanical difficulties or because the

1108
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:51,679
cost of repairs required to make it
inoperable make it operable exceeds the

1109
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:56,000
fair market value of the vehicle. I
don't think it's it's any of our

1110
01:38:53,119 --> 01:39:01,280
business if we if somebody wants to
spend more than fair for fair market

1111
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:08,080
value to fix their vehicle. Um and
again, you can't an officer cannot just

1112
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:14,800
look at a vehicle and tell if it costs
too much to fix it. Um

1113
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:18,719
and again, a vehicle that is disabled
and cannot be used as a vehicle without

1114
01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:24,639
substantial repairs or reconstruction,
that's too subjective.

1115
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:30,480
um has remained inoperable or unmoved
for 250 consecutive days.

1116
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:35,760
What if they have a a motor home that
they use a couple times a year? Now it's

1117
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:38,760
a junk vehicle.
Um

1118
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:49,040
this just doesn't work for me. And
again, we had a gentleman that was fined

1119
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:54,719
uh 13 times last year.
And regardless of whether or not it was

1120
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:59,360
legal to throw those citations out, the
judge agreed with him that this is

1121
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:04,159
ridiculous.
Um,

1122
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:08,159
I could go into what happened during
that particular

1123
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:14,800
um instance, but the chief would be very
upset with me over that. So, I will not.

1124
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:20,800
Um, again, an officer cannot look at a
vehicle and tell if it's if it's a junk

1125
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:27,679
vehicle. according to these definitions.
And then also this this now includes

1126
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:32,719
trailer or equipment.
Again, um if somebody has a piece of

1127
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:39,600
equipment that they use a couple of
times a year or a trailer that they only

1128
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:46,600
use every so often, it now according to
this ordinance is an abandoned vehicle

1129
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:46,600
or a junk vehicle. Um,

1130
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:52,239
that's all I have to say about this. I
obviously I'm going to vote against

1131
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:57,920
this.
>> So, if I may, Chief, just take a crack

1132
01:40:55,280 --> 01:41:02,639
at that cuz um
if you have a motor home and you take it

1133
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:11,119
out a couple of times a year,
you you have taken it out

1134
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:17,520
um more than once every 250 days. and
and there may be a point as to which it

1135
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:24,560
doesn't move for more than 250 days, but
it certainly isn't sitting stagnant um

1136
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:28,000
half burnt down for
2 years.

1137
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:35,040
Um,
I believe that officers are good at

1138
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:42,880
their job and can decide if a junk
vehicle is a junk vehicle with missing

1139
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:49,520
wheels, missing panels. I think anybody
who cares about their town can look at a

1140
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:54,239
vehicle and say, "That's
a collectible."

1141
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:59,840
And you have 10 collectibles in your
front yard.

1142
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:05,679
You have a hoarding problem
which happens to be pretty prevalent in

1143
01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:11,119
our little town. I know, Councilman
Brandt that you take great pride in your

1144
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:18,239
front yard and your property, but not
everybody in our entire city

1145
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:23,480
follows your impeccable mowing and care
for your home. chief.

1146
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:31,360
» Well, first of all, since my goal is to
build trust, I would never allude to

1147
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:35,440
something that exists out there in the
ether that I can't talk about it here

1148
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:40,159
because that's just not appropriate to
do, nor does it build trust. Um,

1149
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:43,840
secondly,
kind of goes down to the same argument

1150
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:46,880
we had over impounds. More information
is always better for officers because

1151
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:51,679
there's no officer that's going out
there like going down this list, you

1152
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:56,159
know, you've got a broken windshield. I
can cite you for this junk vehicle in

1153
01:42:53,280 --> 01:43:00,960
your car, in your yard. It's ridiculous.
We don't we don't approach the issue

1154
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:04,400
that way because it's all about just
helping people get in compliance with

1155
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:09,119
city code and working with them for as
long as it takes to affect that type of

1156
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:14,560
actual change. I mean, if I just sight
them 15 times and the car doesn't move,

1157
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:19,119
it's a huge waste of time and resources.
So, having more data points to say,

1158
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:23,440
"Yeah, it's been here forever. It's half
burnt down. It's missing two out of four

1159
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:27,280
wheels, windshield and body panel
missing, all that stuff, which is

1160
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:30,719
illegal, by the way." There's a lot of
stuff I could site people for in state

1161
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:36,159
statute that we just don't most of the
time. Cracked windshield missing, shock

1162
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:39,280
absorption device in the front. There's
cars driving around all over the place

1163
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:43,040
with all kinds of petty stuff we could
be pulling them over for and citing them

1164
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:48,080
for all day long. It's just not worth
it. But having those data points is

1165
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:52,560
valuable. That way the officer can go it
was on it's been on Google Earth for the

1166
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:56,639
last 6 years. I can look back. It's
still sitting in the same spot. It's

1167
01:43:54,560 --> 01:44:02,000
missing a window. The snow's blown in
there every winter. You know, like

1168
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:05,280
common sense. It's a junk car. That way
he's able to look he or she is able to

1169
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:10,719
look at that and say the totality of the
circumstance says this probably needs to

1170
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:15,760
get taken care of. So you you try to
neck that down. You try to set the

1171
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:20,719
criteria to be exact every time. It's
it's not going to work because it's it's

1172
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:27,520
a it's a whole picture type type
situation. So I would just say

1173
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:31,600
impound thing. Same thing. get give the
officers the discretion that they're

1174
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:35,920
able to, you know, say, "Look, it's a
problem person and here's some criteria

1175
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:40,639
that it meets." Um, it's been pretty
generic in the past. The trailer thing,

1176
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:44,480
the trailer thing is just cuz it's a
loophole that's been exploited. Oh,

1177
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:48,880
they're not vehicles, but I can have 15
trailers on my property in various

1178
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:53,119
states of disrepair, falling apart, you
know, not usable, but it's not a

1179
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:59,320
vehicle, so we can't do anything about
it. So that's some context for some of

1180
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,320
this.

1181
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:09,280
Further discussion.
>> Madam clerk, please call the role.

1182
01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:12,679
» On ordinance 202622.
Mr. Williams.

1183
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:18,960
» Let me say no.
>> Mr. Schuster.

1184
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,960
» Yes.
>> Mr. Skips.

1185
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:23,040
» Yes.
>> Miss Roths?

1186
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,880
» No.
>> Mr. Brown.

1187
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:27,760
» No.
>> Mayor Church.

1188
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:32,119
» Yes.
>> Would anyone like to change their vote?

1189
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:36,440
» That failed three to three.

1190
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:47,199
» Thank you, Madam Clerk. 13D is
consented. That brings us on to item 14,

1191
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:51,600
council comments, excluding the mayor.
My favorite part.

1192
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,920
Where shall we start this evening, Madam
Clerk?

1193
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:56,560
» Mr. Mr. Schuster.
>> I have nothing tonight.

1194
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:58,239
» Mr. Brent?
>> Nothing.

1195
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,560
» Mr. Williams?
>> Nothing.

1196
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:05,280
» Miss Rolf?
>> Uh, today Taco Bell is making the move

1197
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:09,119
from their building that's impossible to
get through the drive-thru to to the old

1198
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:14,960
Wendy's that's now the new Taco Bell and
will reopen in their new building

1199
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:18,320
tomorrow. So, go check them out.
>> Mr. Skips.

1200
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:24,000
» Um, yeah. If anybody's in Anchorage this
coming weekend, the North Pole football

1201
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:28,000
girls team, the flag team is playing in
they're going to be having four games in

1202
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:33,760
Anchorage and then next week they got
three home games.

1203
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:36,639
» That brings us to adjournment.
>> Motion to adjourn.

1204
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:43,239
» Second.
>> We're at 8:14.

1205
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,239
Thank you.