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Good evening.

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It is 6.32 PM, and I'm going to call the Thursday, September 3rd, 2026, planning and zoning work session.

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Order, a quorum of the planning and zoning commission is present, and the meeting has been posted in accordance with the Texas Open meetings act of the Texas Government Code.

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So at this time we'll have staff come forward and discuss the items on tonight's work session agenda.

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So

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before we get into the items for this evening, I have a couple of just community announcements here, just a reminder,

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Labor Day. The city hall is closed on Monday. There are a couple of adjustments for a transfer of cycling days.

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Other facilities, though listed on the screen there, in our H2O, in our H3O, in our H3O, in our H3O, in the our schools,

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of course, will be open, of course, look at the website for holiday hours.

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Also coming up, we have next week, the September 11th,

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with ceremony that we have here every year at City Hall.

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You saw driving in probably the flags that were placed out on the lawn.

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That is scheduled to begin at 9.11 a.m.

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I would arrive earlier than that to get a seat if you would like to attend.

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It's just a really nice service that are afraid of permanent police department put on here.

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The following week, a Monday, we have this, Clayton tells me it's pronounced voice saggy.

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On some sort of ensemble.

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And I think it could be correct, sorry if it's not celebrating culture series probably should

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attend and maybe learn a bit more about it.

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I might be able to learn how it is actually pronounced, but that's kind of the cool thing

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that we do with these different celebrating culture series.

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We get exposed to things that we're not using every day and that's also a free event that

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Monday at 6 p.m. at the library.

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The heart of NIH community awards is a new program that was announced as part of part of the

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council in the last meeting. This is kind of taking the place of what was the typical business

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appreciation lunch. We're still going to have that lunch and give some recognition to the

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businesses, but also kind of expand at this year out into a more community-wide words

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recognition, lunch and so there are different categories where nominations will be accepted for

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the rest about almost the rest of this month through the 25th for those categories that you see on the

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screen there, a citizen of the year of all interior of the year board commission member of the year

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and a business of the year and so those nominations will come in, there will be, if it hasn't

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been already formed, a selection committee that will kind of look through those and those awards

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will be given out at that event. So we had some requests from Council to find different ways to

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recognize people and this is one of the things that was proposed and they accepted and discussed

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and they're the last...

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So, it'll be a fun change this year to kind of expand it out beyond the traditional businesses.

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And just a couple other things. Then kind of hit or miss on whether it give you an update at the meeting on previous action taken by the city council and items that came before you.

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So just to kind of keep you on the loop for those of you that haven't followed or watched those city council meetings.

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The Smithville Terrace Plan Development, which was the residential housing project proposed by

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Sandland, which was a Smithfield and he was approved by the City Council.

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The small sliders, SUP, that came before you, also was approved by the City Council.

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And at that same meeting, the Accessory Structural and Shady Group that you had seen kind

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of all together in that packet of items was also approved by the City Council.

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And then just for reference at the last meeting here in the work session, I talked about

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tax revision that we're working on to bring back to you. Obviously that's on your agenda this

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evening. It is slated for September the 17th though and that was just for those I think you

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will maybe all are here but just as a tax revision to try to do a little bit of cleanup to bring

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the city's code in line with the state law. Building materials references, home occupations

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rules that have shifted over the last couple of sessions so it's really just a post legislative

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session cleanup and then going forward we'll have one of those each year after a legislative session

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to do any cleanup kind of more timely than letting it light out a little bit.

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So that is all I have this evening, let's see if we have any questions on any of those.

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Did they change that application, the sign line, I mean, the, the field, the test?

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There weren't any changes in the approved packet that was approved by Council from what was

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proposed here.

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I'm trying to over to play.

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What's soggy?

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Are we a lot of samurai novels that ever seen that words?

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All right, so tonight there's two zoning cases on the agenda.

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Sorry, I have allergies, so bear with me on that one.

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First zoning application is for agricultural R1, single family.

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This is on Mercy Road, 7412.

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It's almost two acres of property, so it's on the south side of the road

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between Douglas Lane and Hunter Lane in that area there,

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just west of East of Valley Drive.

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So this is a property.

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There was a house on there.

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The house has been removed from the site.

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All that's been demolished.

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This currently is owned agricultural in order for them

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to be able to plat the property to construct a new house.

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The zoning changes required for that.

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Because the Ag District is primarily just a holding pattern,

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holding zone until time comes that the more appropriate development might show up.

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We see this from time to time with some of the older ag properties being rezoned to

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a lot of them to residential, some to others, but that's there just to hold it in place until

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something more solid comes along.

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So what's proposed here is just to rezoned this from Ag to R1, which is what the lots mostly

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on the south side of Bursey Roaders Zone, all of London areas owned R1 as well.

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So, this will allow them to plot the property and be able to construct the house on the site.

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So, it's currently vacant, but they didn't have to demolish the house in the pool,

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so they're planning for new construction here sometime later this year.

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And this will be on September 14th, City Council meeting. Any questions on that?

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It's on the case.

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Second one.

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This is a special development plan.

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This is related to property on Northeast Parkway.

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So, this is a 8.3 acre lot.

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But the site itself is just a 1,000 square foot lease area within one of the buildings.

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This is for a proposed winery.

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Technically it's a metery, but under state alcoholic beverage code, metery,

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meet and wine are basically considered the same thing.

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The same fermented type of alcohol, so that they fall into the winery permit,

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which is what they've requested from the alcoholic beverage commission.

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So this use is not technically listed in the, in the zoning ordinance there,

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The special development plans vehicle that we've used in the past for consideration of those things on a case by case basis, so that's what's being proposed here for this zoning application.

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So the whole property is this older industrial portion on the south side of Northeast Parkway, just their east of Davis Boulevard.

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This is developed back in the 1980s.

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long before the TOD existed, it was owned industrial for quite some time.

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When the TOD district was all created, this property was resounded

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into that. So a lot of these buildings, a lot of those uses,

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were just continuations of some conforming, some non-conforming over time,

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but the property itself is not changed much.

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It's still the four buildings, there's actually one little building

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site left over and then a larger building

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the houses and irrigation company there on the far east side of that.

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So the

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The billing before the proposed user is locating is 82-4, so that's this building here. Each building has its own address, but this is 82-4 in the locating, wishing to locate in the suite down the southern end of that building adjacent to this property here.

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If you're driven down northeast Parkway, this is looking back what actually I think that is actually east.

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So as you're pulling off the Davis Boulevard, looking back that direction, bills are smithed a little left, all this industrial park on the right, that's actually east, not west one apologies.

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This is looking which you turn into the property to where this 82 of four building is.

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Now on the south end of that is the least space for this site in a sweet 124.

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It's about a thousand square feet a little bit less than that.

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And then if you turn around and look back up towards Northeastern Parkway that's what the area looks like.

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This is very indicative of that whole development in that area there.

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And that's south.

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So this is in the urban village area.

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This is also in the TOD.

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Those two areas pretty much align together.

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This is kind of the very northern portion of that area.

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This is in the general...

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...go forward a little bit.

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General mixed use character zone.

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So if you look at the entire 200-plus acre

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Smithfield TOD area, that's what this regulating plan generally shows.

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Most of the area on the east side of Davis is in this general mixed use character zone.

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So this is a lot of older industrial, a lot of office residential in this area that's been developed

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in the past, some currently underdeveloped here on the southern portion of that.

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This is intended for a very wide range of uses, a retail office, residential,

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it even acknowledges some industrial uses there, too.

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A lot of those are existing uses in the area.

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The smurf at cap of facility, this area here on Northeast Parkway.

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A lot of the area right here run the railroad track is a lot of older industrial sites as well.

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And there's some newer development.

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The here south of the tracks, you've seen Keyworth Brewing.

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You've seen a new parking lot in a construction, and there'll be some new development there on that property.

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So it's a very wide mix of uses on that side of Davis Boulevard within this 2D area.

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And it does extend all the way down and mid cities Boulevard to holiday lane.

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So there's quite a bit of mix in that area.

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It's a very large district, and this is all one consolidated zoning category now when that was rezoned in 2013.

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I was backing up just to hear for this to add this put to use.

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This is the building itself, 24,000 square feet.

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This is about a thousand square feet.

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At least area tucked away in that corner of the building.

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They do have a small.

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They do have a presentation to get tonight to kind of explain the scope and the operation of

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this small.

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I'm going to call this small batch metery for black and the better description.

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They'll go through what their process is and talk about what they're trying to do with

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this particular site.

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But this is the classification that it would fall under.

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But I think there might be some misunderstanding as to the scope of the project.

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We've received a bunch of letters in regards to this.

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We provided that by email today and then gave you a handout there.

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Just so you can kind of see what those comments are in opposition to this.

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Mostly in opposition to it.

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I think there might have been some misunderstanding with the scale is because when we send out

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Notifications for zoning cases like this were obligated to use the property boundaries for that.

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So that's what we use for this case.

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So we use an entire eight-acre track to notify everyone within 200 feet.

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So this blue line is the buffer area.

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Everybody within that touches that, we send out a notice to you.

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Even though the only effected area is this small green box right there.

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So that makes it look bigger on the map that it actually is.

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So I think there might be some misunderstanding about what the scope of that is.

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But if there's questions that come up tonight, we can tackle those as well.

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But we wanted to include this just to be able to explain that ahead of time.

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In case those questions came up.

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Also, some questions about census alcohol related.

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There are some other standards in the zoning code, but in the other parts of the city code,

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related to alcohol and beverage sales and relationships to schools, churches and public hospitals.

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So if you're looking at the distances between properties that might sell alcohol and properties that are used for public schools,

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There's a minimum requirement that those be set apart by at least 300 feet, and that's a property line to property line measurement from the closest 2 points.

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So the lot where this property is located here, the property we're Smithfield Elementary School is over on the other side of Northeast Parkway.

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That's a little over 560 square feet, just as the crow flies between those 2 points.

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So it well exceeds that 300 foot requirement.

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If there were churches or churches, public hospitals, daycare centers, there'd be a different measurement for that 300 feet, it's a door to door measurement, not a proper line of problems.

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So, for instance, there were a church property in a school property. We would measure from door to door, and that would be well over 1,500 feet between those two properties, just from a walking distance standpoint.

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So, I just wanted to make have that available when those questions come up. This site does satisfy that requirement for being 300 feet away. That's a city requirement and also a state requirement.

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And they just for reference purposes. These are the other existing alcohol permits that are located in this area. These are mostly three convenient stores.

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you know, the two gas stations there at the corner of Northeast Parkway, Davis Boulevard.

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There is the break time center, there at Main Street and Smithfield Road.

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And then back to Forty Barbecue has an express permit for their beer and wine operation.

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So that's some of that one.

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If there's questions, we'll be happy to answer those two.

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Because it's been re-songed for retail and restaurants.

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What about the parking?

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Because each of those buildings doesn't look like that it has very much parking.

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For this eight-acre site, yeah, I mean, most of this is a industrial type of operation.

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The parking for these types of uses that are there, the parking requirements are not

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very high and are anticipated probably a number of trips that might be generated for these

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types of uses, industrial type of uses or industrial type of businesses, properties.

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Generally, run in the range of three to six trips per day per 1,000 square feet.

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So, if this were just a typical industrial manufacturing type of operation, which it kind

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of is a little bit, at the most you'd probably see between three and six trips per day

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to this one particular business, that's pretty common for this style of development and

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tenant mix that you'd see in this area.

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So

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even though they're going to have a casting room and it's more sort of like that craft brewery that's down the road a little bit.

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Yeah, I would.

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It's not going to change the parking area.

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No, I would not compare from our understanding of what this operation is, is not the same as what you might see for key worth brewing or false idle.

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They're on Maplewood and 26.

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This is primarily a manufacturing operation for them to ferment the meat, bottle it, package it, sell it, distribute it.

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The permit that they're getting for a winery does allow for tasting.

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But generally they're not indicated any desire for actually creating open to the public tasting room, like you would for a tap room or a wine bar or anything like that.

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The permit allows them to do that, the state permit allows them to have people come in and if they want to taste up, they can offer that to them.

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But it's not a place that you could go sit, sit down, buy a drink, and then hang out for a while and then leave is not that kind of operation and the permit would not allow for that.

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And that's a good question to ask the applicant tonight to kind of explain that, but that's the basic permit they're getting from the alcoholic beverage commission has those restrictions on it.

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So if they're not doing that now, but their TABC permit allows it, can they come back later and decide to do that without coming back?

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They're permit would allow for that, yes.

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This is only just a thousand square foot space.

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600 plus of that will probably be taken up by equipment for actually doing the fermentation in the pipe and the packaging.

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So there's not a lot of room left really for any sort of social gathering area, or drinking

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established for top operation, because that's really not what the focus of the uses.

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If it turned into something else, we have to look at it differently, and that could require

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some additional sort of the people's.

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Yeah, it would have essentially turned into a wine bar at that point, which is not what the

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not what the scope of the operation is.

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And that used requires an SUP, so it couldn't just come in for a permit to become a wine bar

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without some sort of specific approval for that.

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It would go through that kind of the same exact process again.

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Yeah, they changed their scope that could be very possible.

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Can I talk about the, for just a minute, the parking, because, you know,

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Sure, after reading all these things, this one.

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So each one of the businesses there have probably what, about three spots in front of their place.

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More or less. Yeah.

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So, and then, and there's, and so there's not going to be a lot of cars.

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And we're not creating more space, the space is already there as it is and it's not changing the number of parking spaces that are needed.

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There's no place to go to create more parking spaces.

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I'm making sense.

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No, no, no, don't understand that.

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Yeah, I mean, it's an existing property that, let me back up to a little bit larger area map here.

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So the intent is not to have a whole lot of people there because there's not the space for it.

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Right, there's not the space and the operation that's being done is not a retail type operation or destination operation.

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Many of the businesses that are in here, I think that you would ask what businesses are in this kind of, in this property.

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A lot of them are mostly industrial commercial type businesses.

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There's a moving place, smurf in a camp, a has an operation there for some of their overflow

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stuff.

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There's a places that do window-tinting.

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There's a commercial, driver's license school and one of the places that have a hot tub

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sales and service place, a swim pool service store or service operation.

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A lot of these are more contractor type things that are located in this facility because

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more geared towards that type of business and not really geared towards more of a retail

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type operation. So, but is this property where to completely redevelop at some point in the future

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and it's something else, then there's certainly a good time to discuss, you know, exactly how

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that would look, but there's not been any indication by the property owner to pursue that anytime

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in the near future. So, what's here now is probably going to be a little bit longer for sure.

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And what we're looking at is a special development plan, not an SUP, can you tell

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it technically yes, what tell me the difference in those I guess.

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We about jump in.

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I was just going to share my conversation, Brad.

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Yeah, go ahead, yes.

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So I'm talking to the city attorney about this project.

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I'm like Clayton mentioned this kind of a tool that we've used some similar case in

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the past.

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One of the more recent examples was the, it was a motorcycle sales application use in the

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that it was withdrawn, so you actually didn't consider that case, but it was one that we

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kind of cross this through in the same manner. We used a special development plan. A little

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bit different in that that we used was actually listed as not permitted. This use is just

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not listed at all. So we have a question come up today about an SUP versus an STP and so in

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talking with city attorney about kind of the decision to go this route or if you have any concerns

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with this route versus an SUP indicated kind of that in order to move forward with an SUP,

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just like in a normal traditional zoning it has to be listed in the table of uses and it has

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to be listed as permitted by SUP. So we have, you know, in our normal table of uses we have permitted

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or we have permitted by SUP or the blanks are not permitted. And so similarly here we have uses in

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the table that are listed as approved only by an or allowed only by SUP. We have a lot of other

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categories and TOD is a little bit different than the normal one,

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permitted conditions and various categories.

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But some of them are permitted by SUP only.

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This use, I think there are a couple of routes

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that we could go.

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One would be that we could consider a texture

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vision to add that use into the table.

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And then at that time determine which zoning districts

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this type of use might be permitted, either not permitted

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or permitted, or permitted conditions,

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are permitted by a U.P. or STP or whatever kind of categorization we want to get to each district

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or each one of the character zones rather.

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And then the next step would be the applicant could then if it were determined that was

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something that was allowed by S U.P. and that zone they could apply for the S U.P.

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This kind of combines those into one step.

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Our conversation was kind of like this really aligns almost with a P.B. in that it's kind

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a creative tool in the text that I don't have in front of me, but it kind of talks about

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in the text related to special development plans and the TOD zoning section about how this

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is allowed.

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This is kind of the goal of this is to get some flexibility.

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There are some things to consider, which are Clayton outlined in the memo, to kind of consider

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when the council is making that decision, on whether they want to approve it as an SCP or

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not, but I think the goal is really just to make sure it's kind of within the spirit of

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the TOD in general as a meeting the goals of the zone and I really wanted to read that

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to you hang on here. So it says that they are, the special development plans are intended

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to allow applicants development flexibility to address specific market opportunities and

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or contacts. And so, I mean, about this, this location, the specific building, the specific

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I think it fits in pretty well within that surrounding properties and we felt like it was an appropriate avenue to let them move forward with this special development plan, which was really a one step process to come through PNZ and city council rather than two different steps.

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I would say ultimately though, it's the same process in terms of notice hearings and consideration and action.

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So go through PNC and City Council the same way as only change for an SUP or any other kind of similar process.

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So it's really just a kind of a little bit simpler set that we've wrapped up into this one step.

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So no, and I know one of the things you hear a lot on P&Z training types, all right, is like, use is not users, you know, and that's, especially comes in on the SUP, where once you've approved it, you know, the next, the next person can have that, the next user can have the same permit, is that the similar kind of effect with the SDP.

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I would say yes, it is.

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The way we've typically done that in the past,

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that was not required, is we put a expiration clause

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in the standards that says pretty much after three years,

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the approval expires, but the use can't continue

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if it lasts longer than three years.

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But after that three year period

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it just becomes a non-conforming use,

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just like any other use might.

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And so if they were to after five years,

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say they got grew this space, need to move on somewhere else, or decided not to do it anymore.

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There'd be like a six-month window to where someone could come in and do the same thing.

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To do the same thing here would mean doing the same thing, you know,

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permitting me and bottling and doing it in the same space.

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So it wouldn't, that would not translate over into something outside of that scope,

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to where a tap room or a wine bar or something else could hack onto that and move in in its place.

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We basically essentially have to be the same type of use literally to qualify for that.

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So, and if it doesn't happen in six months, and that approval just goes away and everything

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expires, and if someone wants to come do something similar, different, they just go back through the process again.

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So, we do that with a lot of the special use permits, all the winged drone permits.

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A lot of the special use is for any kind of a vape shop, so I'll have to repair anything like that.

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I'll have that category to have that condition attached to it.

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The correct me if I'm wrong here, 400 square foot of available space outside of the equipment.

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The fire marshals are going to severely limit the number of people you could have in

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their life, right?

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I imagine that would be very much the case, yes, in a place this small, this primarily being

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manufacturing, a little bit of office space is probably about all this left for that.

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And then if they were open and operating and you knew the owner and wanted to get a tour and

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have a look at what's going on and the offer to you a free sample, that's pretty much

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how the wine tasting kind of works.

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The permit allows them to do that.

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The alcoholic beverage permit allows them to, that's what I was looking up a minute ago.

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Does not require them to charge a fee for it.

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They can do offer it for free, but it doesn't have a, it's not a place to where you could

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go and sit down and hang out.

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It's not, the permit doesn't really address that.

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It was different than what's on tap or different than false idle

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Like you might not know the answer. There's just a rough estimate the distance door to door from that to the first house up there

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Oh, we could probably figure that out. I'll then I don't want to switch number on it

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Do what I want to quick number on it. Okay. If you also do that convenience store up top if you're getting out

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This and right that one right there door to door to that first house right there to sure

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I can tell you from the school that this property here is a little bit over 300 feet.

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Proper on the proper line. This one's just slightly under 200 feet from proper line of proper line.

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We'll check those door distances for you.

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What's the city's process for unclassified users in the rest of the zoning ordinance?

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because it may make sense to kind of look at making sure

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that some way that the director can have some interpretation.

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And then if there is a question that sometimes

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is brought to PNZ or console, so that would be,

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because not all uses will most probably be listed.

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And then as you kind of look at new uses that may be coming up,

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you want to have that option.

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And if they don't want to be too tightly controlled by the code.

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We do have that process built into the zoning ordinance.

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The last one I can think of specifically, because I was thinking about it just the other day,

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it was the blood plasper centers.

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So there was a plasper center on roof snow that wanted to move in up next to the

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Eco-thrift right in that area, right there at the city's Boulevard.

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The development room committee talked about that quite a bit to see what kind of category

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that might fall under, but we determined it was completely different type of use than in the

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other options that were available.

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So they proposed as part of an application to add that use as a proposed use in the zoning

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ordinance with conditions attached to it.

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And that process to amend the zoning orders with four to city council, city council

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eventually adopted that, requires the special use permits and such.

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And then after that was approved, they came in and applied for this.

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So there's a process for us to be able to do that if we can't figure out a way that it fits into, you know, functionally or operationally any other category that's similar, then that option exists to be able to do that process. So it's almost a two step type of thing. I think the core is mentioning, to look at it that specifically.

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Yeah, my only concern with using the STP is that there is no kind of actual physical concept plan that's different or, you know, that that's trying to meet a different, I know this is an existing building and site and the STP was written and because I wrote it so I know the intent was to kind of, if there is a different physical layout of the site that still meets the intent of the DOD and this one uses existing building and sites.

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So that's my main concern that it's only for a use

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and really the better tool is to use an S2B.

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I'll tell you on the kind of interpretation I'm doing

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on the city uses and kind of all of this.

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One of our kind of bigger coming projects

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over the winter is going to be kind of a full

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revamp of our table of uses.

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The table uses and the permittities

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that my character's on will kind of go hand in hand.

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We'll look at those together.

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I think there will be probably,

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I'll just project a pretty significant decrease

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in the number of individual uses, a little bit broader categories, and some conditions

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kind of built in that lessen the number of SUPs, that's kind of the goal, but I think

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that a lot of these uses that we've seen that have come up that we've kind of used interpretations

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are kind of found what they align with more fully, so when the newer uses will try to capture

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as many of those as we can in the new updated table, which will, I'm sure will workshop multiple

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times with you all before we get to a kind of a final consensus on that to get it to council,

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but that is not something that we're ignoring. It's on the radar and we have lots of ideas

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for things that need to be fixed and we may, I just was kind of re-reading that classification

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and doing on this abuse section. We may look at maybe a slight modification just to kind

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of call out specifically what you're mentioning J on the interpretation so that not everything

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needs to come back through to P&Z for new uses if we can find a similar comparable intensity

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Well, and also now with the state law, that requires you to notify properties that you make non-conforming.

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That's bigger issue and you change some of that.

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That's going to also affect that and you want to minimize that.

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That's made life more difficult for you.

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Why not?

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So, going back one quick time to the how far is it from this space to first house?

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That's about 380 feet.

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Walking distance from there to there, plus or minus,

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from the convenience store to there is about 670 feet.

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Yeah, when you have multiple things to use, yeah.

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This doesn't seem to be a good idea.

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I know how to use Google measures.

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Let's go.

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Let's go.

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Good question.

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Thanks for asking that.

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Any other work session questions on this item?

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You got it on September 14th.

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Yeah, this is September 14th also.

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Anything else on that one?

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That's all we have.

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All right.

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Thank you all.

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We'll go to item B as the future agenda items purpose of this item is to allow the planning and zoning commission to bring forward items or issues they wish you to discuss on future work session agendas.

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Does anyone have any proposals for future items to consider?

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Seeing none, there is no other business.

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So we will begin our regular session at 7.10 PM.

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Good evening. Welcome to the North Richland Hills Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.

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It is 7-11 p.m. and I call the Thursday, September 3rd, 2026, planning and

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zoning meeting to order a quorum of the planning and zoning meeting.

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Our commission is present and the meeting has been posted in accordance to the

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Texas Open Meetings Act of the Texas Government Code. For the information of

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those attending the meeting or viewing online or on television, the planning

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and his own commission include seven regular missions.

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Members, and two alternate members appointed by the city council. The alternate members may participate in discussion about agenda items, but they only vote on the items itself if a regular member is absent.

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And I've forgot to kind of, I think we're all regular members tonight. So there we go.

427
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So we will not have any alternates voting tonight. At this time, I would invite you to stand and join us as my Kirby Liesis and the pledge of allegiance to the United States.

428
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,840
Texas flags.

429
00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:08,250
Thank you, Mike. We'll now go to item A2. This is the public comments portion

430
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:12,990
of our agenda. This is an opportunity for citizens to address the planning and zoning

431
00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:17,670
commission on matters which are on the agenda, but are not scheduled as a public hearing.

432
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:23,090
Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on an agenda item that is not listed as

433
00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:23,970
a public hearing?

434
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:32,240
Seeing none. I will go ahead and close the public comments portion of our agenda.

435
00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:43,000
And we will go to item B1, this is proving the minutes of the August 6, 2026, planning and zoning commission meeting.

436
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:49,780
I move that we approve the minutes of the August 6, 26, planning and zoning commission meeting.

437
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:53,960
Also, we've got a motion for Cheryl, second for Mike.

438
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,540
Any discussion?

439
00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:59,780
Okay, so we'll have a vote.

440
00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:04,020
All right, we're moving fast on.

441
00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:23,740
And the motion passes seven to zero.

442
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:29,740
Right, and we will go to item C1,

443
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:36,480
and I'm going to open the public hearing for case ZC26-0172,

444
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,860
and we'll have Clayton has been come and present the item just.

445
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:44,550
Thank you, Mr. Chair, good evening commission.

446
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:51,150
This first application tonight is a zoning change request from agricultural to R1 single family.

447
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:55,330
This is 1.92 acres at 7412 Bersy Road.

448
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:58,950
This property is located on the south side of Bersy Road.

449
00:37:59,770 --> 00:38:03,250
Just east of London Dairy Valley Drive intersection.

450
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:05,770
Here on the south side of the road.

451
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:08,450
A little bit closer view of that property.

452
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:12,250
This almost two-acre tract of land, this back shows a house on the property

453
00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:15,230
by the house in the swimming pool that had been demolished from the site.

454
00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:20,070
So the site is currently vacant, but this shows the extent of that property there at that location.

455
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:25,400
There's just some views of the property from Bursey Road.

456
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:28,540
These are Google images, but relative to the recent,

457
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:31,560
so you can see the condition of the property without the house on the site.

458
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,780
And just looking back from both corners.

459
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:40,530
And this is an area that stays native for low density residential on the land use plan.

460
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:46,850
You can see on the right hand side, this is the zoning map there, so that green area where the property is currently zone agricultural.

461
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:50,150
It is proposed for R1, single-family residential.

462
00:38:51,010 --> 00:38:55,010
For comparison purposes, the lots here to the east, on the south side of Percy Road.

463
00:38:55,450 --> 00:38:59,930
Those are all zone and R1 residential, as is the lendendary edition.

464
00:39:00,730 --> 00:39:04,690
The other properties here to the south and kind of to the north east of that are all zone R2.

465
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:14,020
So the applicant is here to see being to address the commission, and then we'll follow up with additional information and recommendations following that.

466
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:16,040
You can click here sir.

467
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:17,200
Mr. Ricks.

468
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:22,600
If you'll state your name and address for the record, we'll hear what you have to say.

469
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Greg Ricks, you own my home address.

470
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:29,600
Here, 80802, Queen's Court, College Station, Texas.

471
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:36,780
seven seven eight four five and then what what do we got going on in

472
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:42,100
up so I know he gave his but you get the chance to tell you that you know I've

473
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,340
got this property that's around it by a residential

474
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:52,580
that probably is a zone residential and I want to put a house on it I don't

475
00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:56,640
raise pigs you want to put a house on it to what now I don't want to raise

476
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Oh, you don't want to raise it? Oh, for the Aga.

477
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,960
I thought you said you did want to raise it.

478
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Okay, exactly. We've done chickens, but I don't know if we did pigs.

479
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,680
So, see, I want to put a house there, and they say, you've got a...

480
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,800
Yeah, I don't have to plant it. I brought my plans, just in case. You want my plans?

481
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:26,960
I mean, it's up to you if you want to show us, otherwise we'll see if anybody has any questions or details you want to know.

482
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,040
So this is the house shall we're gonna put down there?

483
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:43,940
Okay.

484
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,080
I wish I knew how to read one of these.

485
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:51,920
As far as the blue prints.

486
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,600
Yeah,

487
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,960
that's the next one where it's written on the law.

488
00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:02,270
That's probably more of our.

489
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:13,900
So you'll have all the appropriate setbacks and all those kind of things.

490
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,120
I'm sure you had to work on.

491
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:17,920
So looks beautiful.

492
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:34,190
And then, commissioners, do you all have any other questions for Mr. Riggs?

493
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:40,270
Tell me, no, once we change it, then you can't call it Aggie Land or anything like that.

494
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:41,810
No, no, no.

495
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,080
All right. Well, thank you. Hang tight. If there are any questions, we'll ask you about the Clayton.

496
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:55,840
We'll come up and kind of talk with us a little more, and then we'll be able to get our vote on the zoning change.

497
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:56,720
Great. Thanks.

498
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,020
Thank you. I appreciate you.

499
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:08,660
Excuse me, so just summarize 1.92 acres currently zone agricultural being proposed for our one single family.

500
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:16,400
This is essentially, we see this a lot with older properties that are still zone agricultural that might be proposed for development.

501
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,620
Oftentimes, residential development. There's a couple of things that come into play there.

502
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,960
The agricultural district oddly enough doesn't permit single family residential uses.

503
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,900
So it was only changes necessary in order to be able to construct a house on a property.

504
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,840
And that zoning changes also were usually required because the property would need to be plated,

505
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:36,340
which this one will as well.

506
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:40,020
And this lot would not meet the agricultural district requirements.

507
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:44,960
So by rezoning to R1 that allows for the plating of the property,

508
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:47,480
would allow for the Smith of the building permit for us to review.

509
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,100
And certainly the setbacks are much more generous in R1 than they are in agricultural.

510
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,560
So this is a pretty common process.

511
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,180
we see, but it's in a serious step often for people to be able to develop a house in the property

512
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:04,760
is to go through these two steps. So that's what this one is. It is recommended for approval

513
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:10,180
and following your action, City Council will see this on September 14th. So we are happy to answer

514
00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:13,980
any questions and the applicant's available if there's any more detailed questions that need to be addressed.

515
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:20,640
And like you said, this is something that I know we see at least appear right. We'll see it

516
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,620
time to time, but I know the first time I saw it, it seemed kind of funny that, you know,

517
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,620
we have farm land in the middle of town or something, you know, it's, my understanding

518
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:36,760
as, as the city kind of incorporated more areas, we left that ag, as a placeholder there

519
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,260
until we figured out what the land use is going to be around it, which is, our one is what

520
00:43:42,260 --> 00:43:47,040
we've done with the surrounding area, and as they come up, then we rezone it and allow

521
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,800
people to develop.

522
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:55,220
Yeah, that's absolutely correct. When the properties get annexed into the city, when that was taking place, the default zoning that was applied was agricultural.

523
00:43:56,060 --> 00:44:05,700
And a lot of that was just to leave it in that holding pattern until, if you think back to the 1960s, when a lot of properties are annexed, nobody knew what the north part of the city would look like.

524
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:10,300
So they didn't want to presume zoning in place of something else that lifted agricultural.

525
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:20,160
So that way the market kind of determines what happens, development patterns establish and in this area certainly residential has become the predominant development pattern.

526
00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:25,440
So then it becomes a matter of choice on which zoning district will be appropriate for the given property.

527
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,740
And that's what was chosen in this particular case.

528
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:34,040
Okay, so this is one of those last holdovers of agricultural property on this side of the street to be resowned.

529
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,840
Ultimately, you would see that North Virgin Hills does not have any agricultural

530
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,960
police owned properties, because everything else would be in a district that's

531
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,500
appropriate for the development on the site, but that may be long after our retire.

532
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:48,840
So here. Any other questions for Clayton or the applicant?

533
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:53,410
No. All right, thank you Clayton.

534
00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:58,090
The public hearing is open for cases

535
00:44:58,090 --> 00:44:59,930
ZEC-26-0

536
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,620
1, 7, 2. Is there anyone that would like to speak on the item you may come forward or do we have any cards? Not for that one.

537
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:21,720
All right, so if we don't have anybody for that one, then I will close the public hearing for this case.

538
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:27,380
And commissioners before I ask for a motion, do you have any clarifying questions or a question for more information?

539
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:34,510
All right, so I will call for a motion on zc26-0172.

540
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:39,510
Make a motion that we approve zc26-0172.

541
00:45:41,130 --> 00:45:41,610
Second.

542
00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:46,230
All right, motion from Kyle, second from Cheryl.

543
00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:48,230
Do we have any discussion?

544
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:48,870
All

545
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:52,720
for a vote

546
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,200
and that recommendation for approval pass is seven to zero and

547
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:10,600
That will be before the city council on September 14th. So thank you very much, Mr. Rick's.

548
00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:13,930
All right now

549
00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:15,910
We'll go to item C2

550
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:19,150
We'll be opening the public hearing for case ZC

551
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:27,390
26-0173 and we'll have Clayton back to introduce the item to us. Thank you, sir

552
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:32,830
This next request is a special development plan for a winery, more specifically a metery.

553
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:39,770
This is on a property that's 8.3 acres in size, in a building at 80204 northeast Parkway.

554
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:45,290
So the area highlighted in green is the entire tract of land associated with this application.

555
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:51,110
But the application itself is really subject to a smaller portion of the building here, located 80204.

556
00:46:51,110 --> 00:46:56,610
So just for context, the Davis Boulevard here on the west side of the site adjacent to the

557
00:46:56,610 --> 00:47:00,230
text rail line in just north of Main Street in that area.

558
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:06,410
A little bit closer view of the site. As you can see, a little bit better context.

559
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:11,370
Here's the A-daker property. The site that will be part of the application for the

560
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:17,290
the applicant will explain the operations here where the star area is in the suite in that area there.

561
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:21,710
So this is the northern portion of the TOD, Smithfield TOD and you can see some of the mix

562
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:27,050
uses in this area, some new-ish, some existing prior to that, and then across

563
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:29,270
Davis Boulevard Smithfield Elementary School.

564
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,200
So looking, if you turn on a

565
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,740
Davis Boulevard, Northease Park, we have Davis Boulevard looking back

566
00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:39,840
that direction. You can see the commercial area on the south side, residential

567
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,140
and north, and then you just turn off Northease Park way into the site. This is the

568
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:49,600
building at 82.04, and then down at the end of that building, a suite 124, which is

569
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,280
what the application is associated with.

570
00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:55,430
And if you turn back, looking north towards

571
00:47:55,430 --> 00:48:02,510
Northeastern Parkway 300, so feed up the property, Northeastern Parkways there, at the end of

572
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:02,930
that building.

573
00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:06,890
And if you turn around the other way, there's some adjacent commercial property just to

574
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:07,710
the south of that site.

575
00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:14,270
This is an area designated as urban village on the land use plan.

576
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:17,530
This is about a 200 plus acre area.

577
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:22,090
I'll cover more of that in the staff report for the TOD for Smithfield area.

578
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:27,070
In the zoning on the right hand side, you see this kind of blueish color, darker grayish

579
00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:32,570
is the transit oriented development district associated with Smithfield, and you can see some adjacent

580
00:48:32,570 --> 00:48:37,170
other zoning in that area. This is just for a special development plan for the winery

581
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:42,270
and this is not changing the zoning of the property. This would just be considered for authorization of this

582
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:43,290
use at this site.

583
00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:50,140
With that, the applicant is here this evening to make a presentation and discuss

584
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:54,560
the project with the commission when the y'all are complete with that. We'll follow the

585
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,840
additional information staff report.

586
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:57,860
All right, thank you, Clayton.

587
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,200
I have the applicant come forward.

588
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,360
You were name and address for the record.

589
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:06,740
Good evening.

590
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:08,460
My name is Corey Smith.

591
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:11,980
My home address is 6.544 Wakefield Road.

592
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,380
Here in North Richmond Hills, Texas 7.612.

593
00:49:20,430 --> 00:49:22,710
And I'm just here to present.

594
00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:27,770
I'm probably overprepared for this, but best to do that,

595
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:28,810
then otherwise.

596
00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:33,990
So I want to start a small meter a year in town.

597
00:49:37,070 --> 00:49:43,910
Mead is a fermented beverage, kind of like wine instead of grapes.

598
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:44,850
I use honey.

599
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:53,490
And I'm proposing that I be allowed to manufacture and bottle a small batch.

600
00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:59,970
meet on site. It's approximately 1,200 square foot speed.

601
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:25,400
I'll be using 600 square feet of it for the manufacturer, the manufacturing portion. The other half is an office just where I plan to do administrative tasks. So the manufacturing site and questions are approximately 600 square feet total. I'm just asking to work with the city and obviously the state and federal government to allow me to participate and to manufacture.

602
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:29,780
We'll try to be as brief as possible.

603
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:35,940
As I stated, the product is made, fermented honey, water and yeast.

604
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,780
We'll be made in small batches, less than 12 gallons per batch.

605
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,320
With a scale appropriate to the size of the building,

606
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:50,260
I'm not looking to grow beyond,

607
00:50:52,440 --> 00:51:01,560
to be the next Miller or anything like that, but just to engage in manufacturing a small scale.

608
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:16,600
Manufacturing, bottling, no tap room, no onsite consumption other than what is allowed by the city and TABC known as tastings.

609
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:31,060
But even the majority of those, I plan to have off-site because the facility is itself, as you've seen, rather industrial, and I find that going to another winery and hosting these sort of tastings would be more to benefit anyway.

610
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:43,380
I plan to market to local businesses first, spreading out from there as it takes root, but

611
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:50,140
really participating in the local economy as much as possible, purchasing from local food

612
00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:58,080
markets, the fruits, the honey, any herbs that I use would be purchased locally first.

613
00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:05,140
I don't want to really grow beyond the city that I live in anyway.

614
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:14,300
I live here. My daughter goes to school here, and I want to do business here as well.

615
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:27,340
A conceptual look at the space, this is just the 600 square foot warehouse site, approximately 120 square feet for a cooler fermentation room.

616
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:43,360
I will have at the very beginning only four individual fermenters size that 15 gallons to a count for head space above my 12 gallon batch size.

617
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:48,400
The rest of the site will be used for battling packaging and dry storage.

618
00:52:51,600 --> 00:53:01,580
I have given the process that I use for production, not sure how many of you might be interested

619
00:53:01,580 --> 00:53:02,000
in this.

620
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,480
I'd be happy to talk about it at great length.

621
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,280
Should you be willing to do so?

622
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:17,720
My intended start, my intended production start is approximately 12 gallons per quarter.

623
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:33,440
For the first two quarters of operation, that's to allow me to properly size my recipes, scale everything up as need be in preparation for our first production runs.

624
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:41,380
By my third quarter, I plan to be making approximately 40 gallons per quarter, and that should persist for about the next five quarters.

625
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:49,300
And then, beyond that, I have not gotten a solid business plan in place for beyond that.

626
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,920
I've just looked into open the doors and get started.

627
00:53:53,420 --> 00:54:01,740
I do believe the facility could scale to 150 to 200 gallons per quarter, but that would

628
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:03,560
be the top end for me anyway.

629
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:06,920
If I'm making that much, I need to look into a new bigger facility.

630
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,280
So, my operations from the very beginning,

631
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:22,220
I'm super focused on preventing waste, preventing

632
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:29,360
water waste, especially my fermentation process uses a lot of water.

633
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:52,900
So, I already have operational processes in place to support safe water consumption at the facility, along with compliance with environmental standards, above and beyond exceeding city, environmental standards and restraints.

634
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:58,900
And I want to reiterate that the facility has...

635
00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:22,040
Nearly zero planned foot traffic, zero onsite consumption. Any sale on premises would be by the bottle and in a bag or a box and to be carried off site. I expect that to be less than 5% of my total sales.

636
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:31,740
the majority of my sales coming from kegsales to local bars, other wineries, and going out

637
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:37,500
to events, rent fairs, and the like here in Texas.

638
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:48,180
I understand what kind of business I'm getting into and the resistance that that might bring,

639
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:59,160
But I want to assure everyone here that I intend to comply with all of the layers of government that weigh upon me with a business like this.

640
00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:06,020
So I urge you to please feel free to ask any questions.

641
00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:12,560
I'm ready somewhat and I'll look forward to your feedback.

642
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:23,680
How long does that, I can't remember how the eight steps or so of that process, how long does that take from start to finish?

643
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:32,940
So from the day I first mixed the ingredients until the day I'm bottling, it's approximately three and a half months.

644
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:44,580
In 20 gallons, trying to think scale of how much you're going to have coming out of this location.

645
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:53,640
So I was going to bring a bottle with me just to show you the size of my bottles, but that doesn't really put into perspective how big the cags are.

646
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:01,200
20 gallons is approximately 100, 500 ml bottles.

647
00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:09,840
So think about about a pint or so about a hundred pints.

648
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:19,400
So, I mean, you're at 200 or a quarter, we're not having truck loads of me coming out.

649
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,960
I don't intend to block the other residents of this commercial park.

650
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:38,920
So I should be able to manage deliveries of any inbound, like the bottles, any cake deliveries

651
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:53,100
in small box trucks, distribution is intended and they, you know, I have a small, lift commercial

652
00:57:53,100 --> 00:58:05,620
lifestyle door on the facility, and the medium-sized semis, I think they're 27 foot. They can

653
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:12,460
back in pretty easily in that space, but I intend no more obstruction than any of the other

654
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:13,860
commercial businesses on the property.

655
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,840
And the tasting portion of this, like you said,

656
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:26,660
has got a lot of the feedback on that, but doesn't sound like it's going to be,

657
00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:31,960
you know, the kind of place where a group is going to come and hang out on a Saturday night

658
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,160
and drink three bottles of meiden.

659
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:36,720
I'll be the first one around and I'm off.

660
00:58:37,480 --> 00:59:06,420
The tastings would be, I'll have to get clear with the TABC guidelines, but the tastings must be, it's less than a half an ounce, and my ABV ranges from five and a half percent to 19 percent on the high end, so it would be comparable with a wine tasting, but I don't really intend to do that on site unless

661
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:15,140
There's some specific event that I'm allowed to do by this by the council and in the city

662
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:22,400
I've already set up to do most of this stuff off-site. I've got a friend up in color that runs a winery

663
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:31,640
And he's agreed to let me use his room for these events. So I'm looking to do as much away from this site as possible

664
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,820
It's just purely for utilitarian purposes

665
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,260
Any other questions for the yeah, I'm looking at that you guys have for Clayton this

666
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:50,000
What the one question I have is how many employees do will you have I just look at this one just me?

667
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:53,640
Okay, I intend to have people they're on site

668
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,680
on like bottling day

669
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,960
There may be up to three or four

670
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,780
People helping me on just one or two days over a weekend. The weekend traffic at this facility is already light. Most of these businesses are Monday through Friday.

671
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:20,120
I have two allocated parking spaces on the site and I don't intend to go beyond that.

672
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:29,030
If we place a condition that any kind of tasting like anything that's beyond just like the occasional one

673
01:00:29,810 --> 01:00:38,510
Will not occur on the side and if that is gonna be a ongoing thing that something you can come back and request additional approval for is that something

674
01:00:39,110 --> 01:00:40,830
Could be okay with

675
01:00:41,950 --> 01:00:42,510
so

676
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:45,450
A provisional restriction

677
01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:52,050
On tastings of any kind on the site. Is that what you're saying? Well, I mean beyond just maybe for your whole sailors

678
01:00:52,230 --> 01:01:02,430
You know, you don't want the general public to be coming in there for taste things like a wine bar, so yeah, yes 100% I agree with that

679
01:01:02,430 --> 01:01:06,390
It's there's I'm not really going to be set up for that

680
01:01:07,570 --> 01:01:13,370
If a distributor wants to come and meet with me probably not going to meet at the side either

681
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:17,770
We may go over there and visit to have them look at what I'm doing

682
01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:23,950
But this is, this is not a site that's intended for showing off.

683
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:24,850
We're going to have tours.

684
01:01:25,650 --> 01:01:28,330
I mean, 50 bucks ahead, sure.

685
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:29,970
Okay.

686
01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:32,620
Very good.

687
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:34,300
Any other questions for the applicant?

688
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,160
All right.

689
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:36,720
Poor thing.

690
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:37,240
Thank you.

691
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:39,960
We'll have Clayton present and just hang tight.

692
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:41,400
We may have more questions for you later.

693
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,740
Okay. So just the summary of what we're looking at this request

694
01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:56,900
to add the winery for this special development plan.

695
01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:04,400
This 8.3 acres site, one smaller, and I think I heard 1200 square feet, 1200 square

696
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:04,640
feet.

697
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:05,540
Okay, thank you.

698
01:02:05,780 --> 01:02:12,640
We had measured out about 1,000 square feet, so just a point to bring up the proposed conditions

699
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,360
and standards that are included with the packet of campus square foot of the 1,000 square

700
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,960
feet, because we figured this was about 900 or so.

701
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,940
So if there is a motion to approve this and pass along to City Council,

702
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:26,980
I'd like to bump that number up to at least 12 hundred square feet on that

703
01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:30,160
cap on the square footage just so we don't box that in.

704
01:02:30,340 --> 01:02:31,280
And that's just early.

705
01:02:32,580 --> 01:02:35,260
So we have a thousand square feet here that was just our estimate off of the

706
01:02:35,260 --> 01:02:37,080
site, off the space plan that was there.

707
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:39,380
So we'll say 12 hundred square feet, at least,

708
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,060
area for that particular suite.

709
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:44,200
I've included this.

710
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:45,700
I discussed this as the work session.

711
01:02:46,220 --> 01:02:49,940
I think there was some a lot of the correspondence that we received

712
01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:53,500
regarding this, I think, may have been a misunderstanding about the scope of the project

713
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:58,960
and conditions in the relationship to the property, because we include, when we'd send

714
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:04,000
out notifications for zoning cases, we're required to use basically the property boundaries

715
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:04,700
for that.

716
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:10,140
So this is a eight-acre site that we were using for the notification area.

717
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,820
So the site is there in the hatched area.

718
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:18,360
The larger blue line is the notification area, so every property within that, or touches

719
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,960
that we sent out public notice on for this particular public hearing tonight.

720
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:29,020
Even though the site itself is just a small 1,200 square foot area there identified by

721
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:29,700
the green box.

722
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,140
So we think there might have been some little bit misunderstanding about what the scope of

723
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:37,500
that is compared to what the operation was, so we wanted to provide this just for informational

724
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:41,340
purposes tonight, just in case for a question that came up about that.

725
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:45,440
So this property is in the TOD district.

726
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,700
This is the regulating plan for the Smithfield TOD.

727
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:55,700
This is a 200 plus acre area, the site, the under consideration here where the green star areas is up there in Northeast Parkway.

728
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:05,240
There are multiple character zones in this area, primarily everything on the east side of Davis Boulevard is in a mixed use general mixed use area.

729
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:15,420
So that's intended for a very wide range of uses. It could include things from retail, office, residential, some industrial type operations, very broad mix of things.

730
01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:20,600
And if you've been out in that side, you'll see some older industrial areas here, some

731
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:25,860
newer residential areas been constructed across from this area, some newer industrial

732
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:30,680
or newer commercial retail, and residential there in the south portion of the site, and

733
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,100
some activity there in other spots along the west side of the AIS Boulevard.

734
01:04:35,020 --> 01:04:40,620
But bottom line is this is a very large mixed use intended to be mixed use area for trying

735
01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:45,400
to encourage new development but also trying to ensure that existing uses are able to

736
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:51,540
continue along in this within the TOD district and to allow other improvements and things to

737
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:57,300
be made over the course of time prior to any kind of other redevelopment that might occur.

738
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,960
But this is a regulating plan that ties in as well with the...

739
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,320
The zoning district for the TOD. So, if you look on the zoning map, this area is all zone for that TOD area.

740
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,800
There was some references to the ACOLIC beverage codes. We provided some map just showing those standards here.

741
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:19,480
The city's code, which mirrors the state ACOLIC beverage commission code, does have requirements,

742
01:05:19,660 --> 01:05:26,880
distance requirements from establishments that might sell ACOLIC beverages, either from churches and public hospitals,

743
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,640
and also from public and private schools.

744
01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:36,220
So under the current codes, there is a distance requirement for properties that might have

745
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:41,760
an establishment that sells alcoholic beverages from a school property, and that minimum requirement

746
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,740
is 300 feet.

747
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,600
So that's a property line, a property line, a property line, a measurement.

748
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:50,900
So if you were to look at the site under consideration here on Northeast Parkway, and compare

749
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:54,580
that to the property where Smithfield Elementary School is on the other side of Davis Boulevard,

750
01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:59,060
It's a little over 560 square feet as the crow flies from proper line to proper line.

751
01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:01,600
So it does exceed that 300 foot distance.

752
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,960
Even though it's not affected here, if there were a church in this area or a daycare center or a public hospital,

753
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:11,880
that 300 foot distance does apply, but the measurement is different.

754
01:06:12,540 --> 01:06:15,460
That is measured from door to door from those two establishments.

755
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,540
The only one that is proper line to proper line is to a school.

756
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,680
So that's what we've shown here on this particular map.

757
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:27,380
And then for additional reference, there are other existing alcohol permits within this area.

758
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:30,340
There are two gas station convenience stores.

759
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:32,060
They're at the corner in Northeast Parkway.

760
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,820
They both have permits that would allow for basically beer and wine sales, package sales,

761
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:40,360
not for on-premise consumption, but for carry-out.

762
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:43,920
Same with the break-time convenience store.

763
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,320
They're a Smithfield and Main Street.

764
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,400
They're in that southwestern portion of the property.

765
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,680
and then back for Barbecue has a mixed beverage permit for their operations there at that particular restaurant.

766
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,620
So just for comparative purposes, those are the existing permits that are within that area.

767
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,720
This would be a different type of permit, but similar in operation.

768
01:07:04,130 --> 01:07:07,770
So following your action tonight, I say the Council will consider this on September 14th.

769
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:14,450
We're happy to answer any questions prior to the public hearing or address any questions I might come up here in the public hearing.

770
01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:15,730
Thank you.

771
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:21,660
Any questions?

772
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,580
Can I just have a clarification on one question here?

773
01:07:26,140 --> 01:07:29,520
Do you know what the occupancy rate is of that industrial park?

774
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,860
I don't, I'm sorry, we don't know the occupancy of it.

775
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:38,160
We have driven through it several times over the last couple of weeks.

776
01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:42,040
There are a number of businesses that are operating out of that area.

777
01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:46,060
A number of CEOs that do exist there for wide range of uses.

778
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:49,180
A lot of commercial uses, service types of operations,

779
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:56,260
would working shops, warehousing services that provide for hot times and pools and things of that nature.

780
01:07:57,540 --> 01:08:02,020
It looks like it's pretty well occupied, but there's not a lot of signage in the development.

781
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:05,120
This is not really a destination type of property.

782
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:08,180
So there's not usually a lot of signage associated with that.

783
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,220
So there are probably people operating at that, they just don't pay for extra signage.

784
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:19,160
But we don't know the exact occupancy for it, but there are quite a number of businesses currently.

785
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,860
there. Thank you.

786
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,090
Yeah. Excuse me.

787
01:08:24,370 --> 01:08:25,490
Good. And this was.

788
01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:27,130
Put you on the spot a little bit.

789
01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:29,390
I'm ready for it.

790
01:08:29,530 --> 01:08:30,790
Thank you.

791
01:08:32,110 --> 01:08:36,070
Why don't we talking about making sure our possible have an exemption more.

792
01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:37,670
There is no tasting or anything.

793
01:08:38,230 --> 01:08:40,190
I want to make sure we protect Mr.

794
01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:40,870
Right now for sure.

795
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:45,190
There are any unintensive consequences you can think of off top of your head about.

796
01:08:46,250 --> 01:08:48,090
If that restriction could cause something.

797
01:08:48,810 --> 01:08:50,650
The restriction on tastings?

798
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:56,150
The only thing I can offer on that is that's not something that's covered under the

799
01:08:56,150 --> 01:08:57,850
City Codes for that.

800
01:08:58,270 --> 01:09:00,750
Usually that's part of the operation that you would get.

801
01:09:01,410 --> 01:09:03,850
When they apply for their permit from I call it Mayor Rich Commission.

802
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:06,610
They apply for the winery permit in this case.

803
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:11,710
And there are allowances under that license and permit to be able to do certain things.

804
01:09:12,230 --> 01:09:13,970
And some of those things are tastings.

805
01:09:13,970 --> 01:09:23,830
So that's not a, not something that's covered in the city code to allow for strict those that's completely the alcoholic beverage controls the operations of those things.

806
01:09:24,510 --> 01:09:29,210
What the zoning would provide for is this particular use authorized there.

807
01:09:29,750 --> 01:09:34,790
And then that function in conjunction with whatever the permit from the state would allow for.

808
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:39,910
I think the closest quarterly I can think of are drone operations that wean is doing.

809
01:09:40,670 --> 01:09:45,050
the zoning that's permitted for that, basically sets up the conditions for the site

810
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:48,990
improvements where they can be located, you know, those require special zoning approvals,

811
01:09:49,530 --> 01:09:54,510
but once the drone leaves the air that drone falls under the FAA type of regulation and not

812
01:09:54,510 --> 01:09:59,910
city regulation. So this is kind of a similar type of situation to where the use could be permitted.

813
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,840
But the operations of how they functioned the business and the things that are permitted under that permit would fall into the

814
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:13,980
Occult Babish Commission control. So, there could be a condition that could be attached that ultimately could just be

815
01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:18,080
unenforceable by the city since that's not the city's jurisdiction.

816
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,120
Okay.

817
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,780
Well, the big concern is really on the parking, right? Because,

818
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:29,020
and they have the public coming in and then the parking becomes tight and that's really the issue that

819
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:34,500
I'm looking at as a consequence of that activity being held.

820
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,960
We control land uses that deal with people coming in and out,

821
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,920
but it's retail or industrial.

822
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,380
And the fact is that since they only have two parking spaces,

823
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,160
I really think that's where I'm looking at saying

824
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,020
that we don't want to have a lot of that in and out traffic.

825
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:57,620
And we're not trying to control what the TVC license would allow them

826
01:10:57,620 --> 01:11:04,580
to do, but it's more of the externality of people coming in and the impact on the parking

827
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,740
is what I am kind of putting that, trying to put that limitation.

828
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,840
I think Cheryl, you might have jumped in.

829
01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:26,720
Okay, so really, your retail part of it would just be for people to come by individual

830
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:36,280
bottles. So that sounds more than the tasting. But you're not expecting a lot of

831
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,780
a mean your door to be knocked down by hundreds of people to come by.

832
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:48,040
No, not at all. In fact, I don't even intend to have the doors unlocked for the majority

833
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:56,440
of the week, maybe in off hours. But most of my individual bottle sales would be, hey, I want

834
01:11:56,440 --> 01:12:09,020
I'm buying, get a couple of bottles, I'm going to take them to a wedding, or I want to, you know, buy a couple for my, you know, my cousins or whatever, it's, it's not the intended primary sale approach for my business.

835
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:15,420
I'm going to be putting the majority of my product in cags to sell to local businesses.

836
01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:20,500
And you said when you do a tasting, the T.A.B.C. permit allows you to do it.

837
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:21,360
You said an ounce and a half.

838
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:24,380
It's a, I think it's under a half ounce for a tasting.

839
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,800
I'd have to review that to be sure, but I believe it's under a half ounce.

840
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:35,080
And even then, I don't, I don't, I don't intend to bring people to this, to this site for their tastings.

841
01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:41,420
If I'm in dire straits and somebody just has to come by and I need to,

842
01:12:41,420 --> 01:12:50,620
I can file anything in, you need, absolutely, but I do not intend to have official tastings here.

843
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:58,520
Right, and part of it, we discussed in the work session, and I think some of the feedback from the community brought it up too,

844
01:12:59,180 --> 01:13:05,440
but as we do a development plan, or especially use permit, which isn't what this is,

845
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:12,780
But part of what we have to think of is, you know, you've created a use that happens in the area.

846
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:20,300
You don't open it to the public sounds like necessarily, but the next person, not saying you're going anywhere,

847
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:29,300
but we have to think that if the next person who comes in to do that use, you know, we have to think of how they would do.

848
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:33,640
But, and then, kind of, jump in between the two of you.

849
01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:36,900
But Clayton, it sounds like, as you're answered to Kyle,

850
01:13:38,980 --> 01:13:43,940
it's kind of murky as to what, as a zoning is able

851
01:13:43,940 --> 01:13:48,860
to regulate in terms of the activities to that degree.

852
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:50,600
I guess the operations of the use.

853
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:51,860
Yeah, that's correct.

854
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,540
The alcoholic beverage commission controls pretty much all

855
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:57,180
of the operations.

856
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:02,360
how they do the things, how they bother the stuff, how they store the materials, how they

857
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,360
market it, how they sell it, how they label it, those sorts of things. Those are outside

858
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:11,120
of cities controlled because that's controlled by different government agencies at state level.

859
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:17,720
Other things that we would look at too for this particular type thing. I mean, this winery is essentially

860
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:22,640
sort of a manufacturing type of operation, which is kind of how we've been viewing it.

861
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:27,160
It's

862
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,140
establishment or a retail store or anything like that.

863
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,640
So we were looking at it more as a production facility,

864
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,000
which is what the Wine Repairment really is from the state,

865
01:14:36,820 --> 01:14:38,840
and not necessarily a retail top operation.

866
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,460
It's hard to, the Wine Repairment

867
01:14:42,460 --> 01:14:44,100
can cover something this small and also

868
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:46,560
can construct something as large as hundreds of acres

869
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,040
and great buying taxes to be able to do that.

870
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,480
So those activities are vastly different in scale,

871
01:14:52,180 --> 01:14:56,080
but this is more of a production manufacturing

872
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,960
industrial type of operation, more than anything else at the site. And that's kind of how we do.

873
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,300
We're going to do this issue in a parking situation and just the general use of the property.

874
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:13,300
So that's been our focus on that, is outside of those operations. If that helps address some of those.

875
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:13,640
Excuse me.

876
01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:29,370
One thing I was kind of curious on this, you know, with the TOD, in that general mixed use zoning,

877
01:15:29,370 --> 01:15:41,510
And I guess the vision 2030 aspect of all of this is that industrial park kind of the vision for that.

878
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:48,450
I know we don't like develop land, but is that long-term kind of the vision for this area?

879
01:15:48,710 --> 01:15:51,150
Would it be an industrial parker?

880
01:15:51,150 --> 01:15:55,150
And I think if you basically take this

881
01:15:55,830 --> 01:16:04,350
concept, this regulating plan and look at that as kind of the guiding idea of what that area should be.

882
01:16:04,350 --> 01:16:10,790
Certainly it's not going to be something that occurs overnight that all of this property suddenly becomes a larger mixed-use area,

883
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:14,810
but its properties might redevelop.

884
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:19,330
There could be a point where this property owner decides that they want to do something different to the property.

885
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:26,070
This is not related to this application, but a number of years ago, I would say probably seven or eight years ago.

886
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:30,330
The previous property owner had thought about making some upgrades to the site.

887
01:16:31,210 --> 01:16:36,950
It was more site improvements, aesthetic improvements to try to bring the property a little bit closer to compliance,

888
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:39,550
but there wasn't a lot of changes about the actual uses of the property.

889
01:16:40,510 --> 01:16:43,430
So it was still kind of geared towards this more commercialized operation.

890
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:49,530
So, we're not aware that this current propaganda has any plans to do that, that's certainly

891
01:16:49,530 --> 01:16:50,670
something they could consider.

892
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:54,330
I mean, we would use the guidelines and the TOD district to kind of help them along with

893
01:16:54,330 --> 01:16:54,990
that.

894
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:58,370
But, you know, overall is, you know, these properties build out.

895
01:16:58,370 --> 01:17:01,830
You know, this is a very, very long range plan for the TOD area.

896
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:06,170
So, it's something that could happen in the future for this site.

897
01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:09,230
We'll property south of this if the timing is right.

898
01:17:09,230 --> 01:17:14,330
the, you know, if all the things line up appropriately for it, and they decided to do that,

899
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:19,510
then there are this easy, generally an easy process to get through that to be able to be developed site.

900
01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:20,510
Yeah.

901
01:17:20,710 --> 01:17:24,030
I mean, I think the whole, like what we've got on the map, the screen there, right?

902
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:30,510
Like, I know there's a lot happening, or that has been discussed around the station,

903
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:38,810
and Main Street, the character zone, and I could just see this being a really cool area in the city.

904
01:17:38,810 --> 01:17:46,930
And not necessarily an entertainment district next to the house there, which I think is what a lot of people were fearing.

905
01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:49,810
I think a lot of the comments weren't geared towards that, yes.

906
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:57,630
But that's, I guess, was something I was just curious about as far as the TOD.

907
01:17:58,110 --> 01:18:07,870
A lot of the focus that we've seen, of course, in this southern western portion of it, you know, around holiday laying in a lot of residential developments occurred over there in the last 10 years.

908
01:18:07,870 --> 01:18:13,870
some stuff here along Smithfield Road so this area here you're seeing a lot of activity

909
01:18:13,870 --> 01:18:18,290
some new construction down here just south of the mid cities Boulevard with the new building

910
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:24,590
the Starbucks and the construction books down there at Bridge Street, New Residential Development

911
01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:29,450
Golden Grove over in this area a Rickford-Garrow has been developing quite a bit

912
01:18:29,450 --> 01:18:37,850
redeveloping his properties in this area too. So there's a lot of little pieces that are

913
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:44,010
for that. So, you know, those things happen and it kind of guides future development decisions

914
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:45,010
somebody might make.

915
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:54,970
Any other questions? Yeah, there's approximately 100,000 square feet like

916
01:18:54,970 --> 01:19:01,490
if they call the four buildings, if each building is what 24,000. Oh, yeah, if you take all five

917
01:19:01,490 --> 01:19:10,710
buildings on that side, it's about a hundred and there's one show not shown here, it's kind of

918
01:19:10,710 --> 01:19:17,270
Well, I mean, even at like 50% occupancy, that's a lot of existing uses that are not

919
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:22,770
probably going to go away in time soon. And you don't want to close a cash-flowing business

920
01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:30,830
and you definitely want to encourage local, small manufacturing uses like the one that's being proposed.

921
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:33,730
There's a lot of small businesses in this facility.

922
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:46,820
This request is no different than if you move just south inside the same Smithfield planning area.

923
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:52,520
This is the same request that somebody like Keyworth would have had to put in to facilitate their correct.

924
01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:54,940
That's exactly the same process, yes sir.

925
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:59,960
Just sort of we're staying consistent as a board that's the exact same request.

926
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,580
Questions that would have been put in down there in the same development area, if you will?

927
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:10,140
Yes. Keyworth is a little bit different type of operation. They have a different kind of license from the state.

928
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:21,460
They do re-work there, but they also are a place to where you can, much like false idol is, another part of town. You can go there to actually drink at the location.

929
01:20:21,460 --> 01:20:26,040
Yeah, I'll see you set up for that from the process standpoint exactly the same yes, sir

930
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:38,620
Commissioners before I ask for any for emotion, are there any other clarifying questions or a quest for a bush

931
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:43,100
I'm sorry, we haven't done the public hearing. I don't think have we oh, yes, that's good

932
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:44,900
So I didn't miss that during all the

933
01:20:46,780 --> 01:20:49,720
So before we do that we're gonna do the public hearing

934
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:51,320
Let

935
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,460
me get my verb and cheer

936
01:20:58,430 --> 01:21:13,870
So, we'll now, the public hearing is open for KCC-26-0163, and is there anyone who would like to speak on the item that you can come forward now?

937
01:21:14,290 --> 01:21:18,070
State your name and record for the, or for the name and address for the record?

938
01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:30,670
Hey y'all, I'm Bobby Gomez, I love it 777-14 Sabolane in North Richland Hills, which is not near this development, but adjacent to the TOD.

939
01:21:30,810 --> 01:21:35,050
So I'm always very excited to talk about the TOD. It's a big reason why I moved here.

940
01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:39,790
This is a cool development. I'm in support of it. I think it's a good thing to do.

941
01:21:41,170 --> 01:21:45,950
I also, I misunderstood the posting and so I was thinking this was going to be a full 8-acre development.

942
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:50,930
And I was like, this could be cool, but we'd have to do a whole lot more than what I saw on the space plan.

943
01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:55,930
So if you guys read that email that I sent in, you can probably disregard 90% of that.

944
01:21:56,130 --> 01:22:00,950
But I would love to see a large development here with some good TOD stuff going on.

945
01:22:01,070 --> 01:22:01,950
That could include a meetery.

946
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:02,910
I think that'd be awesome.

947
01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:04,630
Yeah.

948
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:11,710
One thing I will say is that the memo says that the planning is only commission.

949
01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:19,330
And the council would consider the extent to which the application meets the following, and then it's got five bullets that I won't read out.

950
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:29,490
But I think this only really meets two of those in that it's similar to the current uses, and that it doesn't inhibit a future development to be more intense.

951
01:22:30,030 --> 01:22:37,510
But it doesn't really meet the purpose or the goals of the TOD, right? That should be a walkable mixed use space, and this is a very small thing.

952
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:39,350
So that's why I still think this is a great idea.

953
01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:42,430
I'm still in support of this, but I will make that statement

954
01:22:42,430 --> 01:22:45,550
of how this doesn't necessarily meet those five goals,

955
01:22:45,630 --> 01:22:47,070
at least that are met with Staten the memo.

956
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:48,950
But that's it.

957
01:22:49,090 --> 01:22:50,110
Thank you guys so much.

958
01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:51,850
Thank you.

959
01:22:53,650 --> 01:22:56,750
I forgot to ask, do we have any other, any cards or anything?

960
01:22:57,130 --> 01:22:58,330
People, I was the only one.

961
01:22:58,490 --> 01:23:00,830
Anybody else who would like to speak on this item?

962
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:07,530
Seeing nobody else to come forward,

963
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:09,730
we will close the public hearing.

964
01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:17,430
And now, commissioners, before I ask for a motion, do you have any clarifying questions or a request for additional motion?

965
01:23:20,140 --> 01:23:22,540
Now, we'll call for a motion on item C2.

966
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:30,160
I move that we approve CC 26-0173.

967
01:23:34,210 --> 01:23:41,750
Oh, with the addition of the exception of 1200 square feet instead of a thousand.

968
01:23:43,650 --> 01:23:48,900
All right, we got a motion from Cheryl, a second from Mike.

969
01:23:53,910 --> 01:24:01,190
Actually, I had a question about maybe a friendly amendment to the motion to kind of limit

970
01:24:01,190 --> 01:24:08,270
the retail connectivity and keep it more as a manufacturing using if any of that changes

971
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:09,630
they would have to come back.

972
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:17,050
Let me, I know we had a meeting about Robert's rule of order once, so she's a motion,

973
01:24:17,050 --> 01:24:24,090
We've got a motion, and now we have a met proposed amendment, so when do I do it, which on that?

974
01:24:25,450 --> 01:24:26,930
Yeah, when can we, yeah?

975
01:24:27,170 --> 01:24:28,730
Yeah, the motion's been made in a second.

976
01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:33,710
The friendly amendment can be offered in the person that may the motion can accept that amendment

977
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:39,170
and the person that second can agree with that in the final standing of it.

978
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:43,010
And if they don't agree with that, then the amendment can't be added to the motion.

979
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:46,530
But if they agree with the amendment, then it can be added to the motion.

980
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:53,490
But I think during discussion, you can, like, add, and then we have to vote on those things, and then,

981
01:24:53,950 --> 01:24:57,430
I don't think you have to vote on the amendment, but if it's a friendly amendment, then the amendment.

982
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:59,690
But I have a question note.

983
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:09,160
You said, like, for instance, with the zoning that the TABC took over, can we even control that, like, restricting where there's not retail?

984
01:25:12,430 --> 01:25:22,170
Because that's what you're asking, right? Yeah. So, can we say only manufacturing and not retail? Because if we can't view that for zoning, there's no sense in.

985
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:39,160
Why don't we permit under TBC allows the holder of the permit to manufacture a bottle, label and package,

986
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,000
wine containing about more than 20% alcohol, by volume.

987
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,520
Manifactor fruit brandy, sell wine to ultimate customers,

988
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,720
for consumption on the premises, or fund broken packages off premises,

989
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,880
sell the wine outside the state, blend wines,

990
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:04,100
dispense free wine for consumption on the premises, purchase and import folders, purchase and

991
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:09,480
import wine from the holder of a non-residential seller's permit, that's a different thing.

992
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:17,680
And they make and duck samplings and tasting at a retailers business. And so wine to ultimate consumers

993
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:22,400
for consumption on or off the premises and dispense free wine for consumption often on the premises.

994
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:28,540
So there are some allowances, it looks like at least on that brief reading of the permit requirements and

995
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:35,360
TBC that they are allowed under that permit to be able to sell that to customers on the premises.

996
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:40,360
So you could go in and buy a bottle at the site under that permit.

997
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:46,880
Okay, so we can't, I mean there's no point in doing the amendment because we can't enforce that.

998
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:53,020
I don't know if adding a restriction that prohibits retail sales on the site would be anything that we'd be able to enforce

999
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,640
since that would be permitted by the permit.

1000
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,620
You may have something you want to add to that, too.

1001
01:27:03,260 --> 01:27:05,860
I'm just going to remind everybody that this isn't like final action on the site.

1002
01:27:05,900 --> 01:27:07,360
I'm just asked to go before the city council.

1003
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,740
So I think we have a couple of avenues if there's something that you recommend is part of your motion that we determine

1004
01:27:11,740 --> 01:27:15,740
through kind of legal council or for whatever reason that is not appropriate.

1005
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,720
We can make that disclaimer to the city council and kind of give them that advice.

1006
01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:23,860
Additionally, if you wanted to make a motion without that, we can certainly share that

1007
01:27:23,860 --> 01:27:27,860
feedback with the City Council to ask if they would like to include it in their motion,

1008
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,740
assuming that it's appropriate to do so.

1009
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,120
So I just wanted to kind of remind you, we still have another meeting in an opportunity to kind of

1010
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,480
whether this is only a recommendation.

1011
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:37,220
Correct.

1012
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,780
If you made a recommendation, there was something that we felt like was going to be a problem

1013
01:27:42,780 --> 01:27:46,720
from a legal standpoint, or it was going to maybe the applicant has some time to think about it

1014
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,700
to make impact their business in some manner,

1015
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:50,180
we could certainly kind of bring that up

1016
01:27:50,180 --> 01:27:53,000
with the city council at the meeting in a couple of weeks.

1017
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:58,440
So, I hear you saying, you don't want to amend your motion?

1018
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:00,060
I guess I'm just confused.

1019
01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:04,480
If we, sorry, you saying, we should do it even though

1020
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:07,920
the KBC would set, are you saying pass it as it is

1021
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,640
and you talk to legal and bring it up?

1022
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,720
I think she's, because they don't really,

1023
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:14,880
they don't tell us what to motion, I guess.

1024
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:22,340
But she says, if we want to, we can, but if the legal opinion is that that doesn't really

1025
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:26,340
fly or counsel the sides, they can always change it whenever they...

1026
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:32,500
Okay, I just withdraw my amendment because it's getting too confusing, and I don't have an issue.

1027
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:39,960
I was only trying to address the neighbors' concerns about it, and that was my attempt at

1028
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,420
kind of addressing that, and I don't have an issue with the use of they want to do that.

1029
01:28:44,420 --> 01:28:50,380
It's after hours. There's a plenty of parking. That's not a big issue, but so I'm just going to withdraw.

1030
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:57,930
So we have a motion from Cheryl a second from Mike.

1031
01:28:59,790 --> 01:29:03,770
I was as enthusiastic as about the second. So now I'm asking questions. So now I need a discussion.

1032
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:07,210
All right, thank you.

1033
01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:12,190
First of all, I'm just saying this because I've been trying to process this whole thing.

1034
01:29:12,590 --> 01:29:15,110
Okay, what the metering is not.

1035
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:18,590
It is not a tap room, it is not a wine bar.

1036
01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:20,670
It's not a place where people are going to be going

1037
01:29:20,670 --> 01:29:22,650
and having a party, okay?

1038
01:29:23,130 --> 01:29:24,730
It's going to be a place where this gentleman,

1039
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:28,150
who lives in our community wants to manufacture some

1040
01:29:28,150 --> 01:29:30,170
meat, meaty wine made with honey,

1041
01:29:31,410 --> 01:29:36,350
using local people in our community to buy his herbs

1042
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:37,130
in his honey.

1043
01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:39,770
I mean, what a great culture that promotes.

1044
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:42,410
Holy cow, I love it.

1045
01:29:42,410 --> 01:29:50,010
It is not, we have to understand the difference between a limbar and a tasting, a tasting less than a half an ounce.

1046
01:29:50,350 --> 01:29:54,350
It's to see if you like it and want to buy it by the bottle.

1047
01:29:54,410 --> 01:29:56,450
He's not selling by the glass.

1048
01:29:57,070 --> 01:29:59,970
I think that's the hang up here, okay? That's my opinion.

1049
01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:30,250
I like the idea that it is local using local. It does bring a sense of culture that, you know, yes, it's not walkability as far as a TOD, but man, this is a start. This is a huge start. It's a small place. 1200 square feet with 600 square feet. We have to think realistically what this looks like. It's not, it's at the end of the building. It's, it's not going to be a place that hundreds of people are going to

1050
01:30:30,250 --> 01:30:35,670
coming to on a daily basis. That's not his intent. He explained his intent. What he wants to do,

1051
01:30:35,870 --> 01:30:42,890
he wants to make some need and give it to some people. Not a lot of people, some people.

1052
01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:51,030
So I think we need to really, really stick and thinking about that. And then if he was wanting to have

1053
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:56,930
some kind of big retail, he would have chosen a different location. He wants to manufacture it there.

1054
01:30:56,930 --> 01:31:00,350
So, I think it's wonderful, thank you.

1055
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:10,780
We might have some people watching for the next vote, but my only problem I know we talked

1056
01:31:10,780 --> 01:31:16,560
about restriction is I was off the table, my only problem with restrictions is it could

1057
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,160
handicap you in a way that if somebody comes in and says, hey, I'm about to go to a wedding.

1058
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,820
I want to buy four bottles of this, but I want to taste it first.

1059
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,360
Those are the unintended consequences we don't want to put anybody in.

1060
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,020
So I thought the presentation was great.

1061
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:40,300
I think the business plan is great, so that was my only concern with adding some restrictions

1062
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:41,240
on there.

1063
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:44,780
I just don't want to put you in a position where it might cause some problems.

1064
01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:53,820
Yeah, I mean,

1065
01:31:56,030 --> 01:32:02,550
similar as far as on the motion that I get where you're coming from,

1066
01:32:02,750 --> 01:32:07,950
and I think it was worth looking at, but also do you think there's going to be some

1067
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:14,550
difficulty with enforceability and then also, I think any time we do things we always want

1068
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:16,290
to make sure of the unintended consequences.

1069
01:32:18,330 --> 01:32:23,170
When we got the packet last week, I mean, I had a lot of similar concerns to what was

1070
01:32:23,170 --> 01:32:28,870
expressed in those emails as far as kind of not knowing exactly what was involved with the

1071
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:35,970
whole plan here, the distance from the school, I didn't even think about the convenience

1072
01:32:35,970 --> 01:32:43,630
stores actually being, you know, half as close, and then kind of hearing the nature of it

1073
01:32:43,630 --> 01:32:52,750
in terms of that this is not necessarily a retail establishment, does it seem to change it.

1074
01:32:53,150 --> 01:33:01,130
You seem like a guy that just really likes me, and like, as this is developing, you're almost

1075
01:33:01,130 --> 01:33:06,150
for saying it's not as much of a financial ambition even as just you're going to kind of see

1076
01:33:06,150 --> 01:33:14,010
this thing, you know, see what you can do with it and so I think as far as this user there's

1077
01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:17,530
that and I think the way this is structured from what we were talking about in the work session

1078
01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:25,030
as far as it's not something where somebody else could come in under this development plan

1079
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:31,810
and then change it into a wine bar or something that's more like what would be detrimental

1080
01:33:31,810 --> 01:33:36,850
that neighborhood, but I do feel a lot better about it now,

1081
01:33:39,170 --> 01:33:40,570
but I don't see any other

1082
01:33:40,570 --> 01:33:45,770
lights, but we'll do one more ask if there's any comments or discussion.

1083
01:33:47,950 --> 01:33:49,910
All right, so I will call for the vote,

1084
01:34:07,190 --> 01:34:09,450
all right, and the recommendation for approval with

1085
01:34:09,450 --> 01:34:15,950
conditions regarding the the square footage passes and that will go to Council on September

1086
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:16,430
14.

1087
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:23,290
With that this concludes tonight's agenda and there being no other business we are adjourned.