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we're going to. Good evening.

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It is 6:32 P.M. And I'm going

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to call the thursday SEPTEMBER

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3rd 2026 planning and zoning

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work session to order a quorum

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of the planning and zoning

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commission is present and the

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meeting has been posted in

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accordance with the texas open

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meetings act to the texas

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government code. So at this

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time we'll have staff come

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forward and discuss the items

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on tonight's work session

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agenda. So before we get into

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the items for this evening, um,

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I have a couple of just

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community announcements here.

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Just a reminder labor day um,

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the city hall is closed on

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monday. There are a couple of

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adjustments for trash and

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recycling days um other

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facilities so listed on the

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screen there uh and our h2o and

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outreach center and the iron

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horse golf course will be open.

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Um of course look at the

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website for holiday hours also

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uh coming up we have uh next

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week the SEPTEMBER 11th um

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ceremony that we have here

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every year at city hall we saw

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driving in probably the flags

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that were placed out on the

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lawn um that is scheduled to

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begin at 9:11 A.M.. I would

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arrive earlier than that to get

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a seat if you would like to

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attend. Uh, it's just a really

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nice service that our, uh, fire

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department and police

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department put on here. The

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following week on monday we

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have this clayton tells me it's

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pronounced goi soggy. Uh, on,

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uh, some sort of ensemble I

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don't know, it could be it

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could be correct. Sorry if it's

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not um celebrating culture

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series probably should attend

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and maybe learn a bit more

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about it. I might be able to

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learn how how it is actually

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pronounced, but that's kind of

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the the cool thing that we do

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with these different um,

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celebrating culture series. We

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get exposed to things that

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we're not used to seeing every

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day. Um, that's also a free

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event that monday at 6 P.M. At

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the library. Uh, the heart of

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community awards is a new

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program, uh, that was announced

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as part of kind of part of the

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budget presentation this year

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and it was also discussed um,

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with the city council in the

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last meeting. Um, this is kind

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of taking the place of what was

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the typical um, business

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appreciation lunch. We're still

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going to have that luncheon to

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give some recognition to the

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businesses, uh, but also kind

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of expanded this year out into

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a more community wide uh,

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awards uh recognition luncheon.

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And so there are different

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categories where nominations

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will be accepted uh, for the

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rest of about almost the rest

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of this month through the 25th

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for those categories that you

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see on the screen there. Um,

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citizen of the year, volunteer

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of the year, uh, board of

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commission, member of the year

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and a business of the year. And

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so um those nominations will

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come in there's a there will be

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if it hasn't been already

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formed um, a selection

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committee that will kind of

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look through those um and those

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awards will be given out at

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that event. And so um, we had

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some requests from council to

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find different ways to

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recognize people and this is

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one of the things that was uh,

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proposed and they accepted and

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discussed at the the last city

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council meeting. So that'll be

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a fun change, uh, this year to

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kind of expand it out beyond

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the traditional businesses and

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just a couple other things um,

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been kind of hit or MISS On

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whether I give you an update at

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the meeting on previous action

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taken by the city council on

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items that came before you. So

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just to kind of, um, keep you

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on the loop for those of you

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that haven't followed or watch

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those city council meetings.

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>> the smithville terrace plan

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development which was the

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residential housing project

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proposed by sandlin between

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smith, smithfield and hewitt um

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was approved that planned

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development district was

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approved by the city council.

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Um the small sliders sup that

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came before you also was

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approved by the city council

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and um at that same meeting the

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accessory structure on shady

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grove that you had seen kind of

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all all together in that packet

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of items was also approved by

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the city council. Uh, and then

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just for reference at the last

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meeting here in the work

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session I talked about a

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texture vision that we were

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working on to bring back to

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you. Obviously that's not on

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your agenda this evening. Um,

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it is slated for uh, SEPTEMBER

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the 17th though. And that was

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just just for those I think you

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all maybe all were here but

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just as a text revision to try

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to do a little bit of cleanup

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to bring the city's code in

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line with uh, state law so

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building materials references

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um home occupations rules that

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have shifted over the last

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couple of sessions. So um it's

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really just a post legislative

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session cleanup and then going

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forward we'll have one of those

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each year after the legislative

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session to do any cleanup kind

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of more more timely than than

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letting it lag out a little

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bit. So that is all I have um,

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this evening unless you have

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any questions on any of those.

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Okay they. Change that

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application the sandlin. I

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>> the springfield. There

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weren't any changes in the

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approved packet that was

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approved by council from what

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was proposed here. I'll turn it

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over to clayton. Kawasaki.

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>> kawasaki.

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>> uh. I read.

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>> a lot. Of. Samurai novels. I

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never seen that word. So, um.

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All right, so, uh, tonight

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there's, uh, two zoning cases

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on the on the agenda. I'm sorry

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I have allergies, so bear with

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me on that one. Um, first

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zoning application is for, uh,

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agricultural r-1 single family.

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This is on bercy road 7412. Uh,

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this is almost two acres of

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property, so it's on the south

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side of the road between uh,

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essentially between douglas

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lane and um hunter lane in that

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area there I just uh south just

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west of uh east of valley

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drive. Uh, so this is a

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property uh there was a house

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on there. The house has been

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removed from the site. All

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that's been demolished um, is

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currently zoned agricultural

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and in order for them to be

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able to plat the property, uh,

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to, uh, construct a new house,

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uh, the zoning changes required

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for that, uh, because the ag

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district is primarily just a

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holding pattern holding zone.

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Um, until the time comes that

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the more appropriate

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development might show up. Uh,

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we see this from time to time

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with some of the older ag

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properties uh, being rezone to

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uh a lot of them to residential

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uh some to others but that's

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there just to to hold it in

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place until something more

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solid comes along. Uh, so

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what's proposed here is just to

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rezone this from ag to r1 uh,

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which is of what the lots

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mostly on the south side of

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bercy road or zoned all of

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londonderry is zoned r1 as

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well. Uh so this would allow

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them to plat the property uh

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and be able to construct a

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house on the site. Uh, so.

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but they did have demolish the

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house on the pool. Um, so

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they're planning for a new

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construction here sometime.

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Later this year. And this will

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be on SEPTEMBER 14th city

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council meeting. Uh, any

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questions on that zoning case?

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All right. Um, second one uh,

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this is, uh, special

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development plan. This is

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related to property on

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northeast parkway. So this is a

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8.3 acre lot. Uh, but the the

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the site itself is just a 1000

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square foot lease area within

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one of the buildings. Uh, and

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this is for a proposed winery.

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Uh, technically it's a tree,

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>> under. State alcoholic

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beverage code red meat and wine

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are basically considered the

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same thing the same fermented

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type of uh of uh, alcohol, uh,

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so that they fall into the

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winery permit which is what

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they've requested from the

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alcoholic beverage commission.

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Uh, and so this use is not

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technically listed in the uh in

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the in the zoning ordinance

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there uh, the special

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development plans vehicle that

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we've used in the past for uh,

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consideration of those things

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on a on a case by case basis.

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So that's what's being proposed

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here for for this zoning

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application. Um, so the whole

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property is this uh, older

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industrial portion on the south

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side of uh northeast parkway

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just there east of davis

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boulevard. Uh, this was

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developed back in the 1980s um

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uh long before the tod existed.

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It was owned industrial for

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quite some time. Uh, when the

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tod district was all created

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this property was rezone to

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that. Um, so a lot of these

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buildings uh a lot of those

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uses were just continuations of

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um uh some conforming some non

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conforming over time. Uh but

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the property itself has not

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changed much. It's still the

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the for the for buildings

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there's actually one little

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building site left over and

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then a larger uh building that

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houses an irrigation company

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there on the far east side of

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that. So the building that

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where the proposed user is

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located is uh 8204 so that's

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this building here uh each

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building has its own address.

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Uh, but this is 82 or 4 and the

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locating uh, wishing to locate

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in a sweet down the southern

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end of that building uh,

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adjacent to this property here.

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Um.

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>> if you've driven.

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>> down northeast parkway, this

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is looking back. Um, what?

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Actually, I think that is

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actually east. So as you're

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pulling off of davis boulevard

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looking back that direction,

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uh, village of smithfield on

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the left, all this industrial

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park on the right that's

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actually east, not west. My

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apologies. Uh, this is looking

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as you turn into the property

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to the to where this 8204

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building is now on the south

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end of that is the lease space

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for this site. Uh, in suite 124

321
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it's about 1000ft a little bit

322
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less than that. And then if you

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turn around, look back up

324
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towards northeast parkway.

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That's what the the area looks

326
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like. This is very indicative

327
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of that whole development and

328
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that's that area there. And

329
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that south property. Uh so this

330
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is uh in the urban.

331
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>> village. Area uh this is

332
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also in the tod uh those two

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areas pretty much aligned uh

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together. Uh this is again the

335
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very northern portion of that

336
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area. Um, this is in the

337
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general. Go for a little bit

338
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general mixed use character

339
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zone. So if you look at the

340
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entire 200 plus acre uh,

341
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smithfield tod area, that's

342
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what this regulating plan

343
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generally shows. Uh.

344
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>> most of the area on the east

345
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side of davis is in this

346
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general mixed use character

347
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zone. Um, so this is a lot of

348
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older industrial, a lot of

349
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office, uh, residential in this

350
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area that's uh been developed

351
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in the past uh some currently

352
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under develop here on the

353
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southern portion of that uh,

354
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this is intended really for a

355
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very wide range of uses uh

356
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retail, office, residential and

357
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even in some industrial uses

358
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there too. A lot of those are

359
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existing uses in the area. Um,

360
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the smurfit kappa facility uh,

361
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this area here on northeast

362
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parkway uh a lot of the area

363
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right here around the railroad

364
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track is a lot of older

365
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industrial sites as well. Uh,

366
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and there's some newer

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development um, the here south

368
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of the tracks you've seen

369
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keyworth brewing. Um, you've

370
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seen a new parking lot under

371
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construction and there'll be

372
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some new development there on

373
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that property. Um, so it's a

374
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very wide mix of uses on that

375
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side of uh of davis boulevard

376
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uh, within this 2d area. Uh and

377
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it does extend all the way down

378
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amid city's boulevard to

379
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holiday lane. Uh, so it's

380
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there's quite a quite a bit of

381
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mix in that area. It's a very

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large district and this is all

383
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one consolidated uh zoning

384
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category now uh, when that was

385
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rezone in 2013 there was a

386
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backing up just to here uh for

387
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this to add this bit of use. Um

388
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this is uh the building itself

389
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is 24,000ft. This is about

390
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1000 square foot area tucked

391
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away in that back corner of the

392
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building. Uh, they do have a

393
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small they do have a

394
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presentation to give tonight to

395
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kind of explain the scope and

396
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the operation of this, uh, this

397
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small I'm going to call it a

398
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small batch meadery for lack of

399
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a better description. Uh,

400
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they'll they'll go through what

401
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their process is and, uh, and

402
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talk about what they're trying

403
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to do with this particular

404
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site. Uh, but this is the the

405
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classification that it would

406
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fall under. Um, and I think

407
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there might might be some

408
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misunderstanding as to the

409
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scope of the project. Uh, we've

410
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we've received a bunch of

411
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letters in regards to this. We

412
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provided that by email today

413
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and and gave you a handout

414
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there just you can kind of see

415
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what those comments are uh, in

416
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opposition to this mostly in

417
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opposition to it. Um uh I think

418
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there might have been some

419
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misunderstanding what the scale

420
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is because when we send out

421
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notifications for zoning cases

422
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like this where we're obligated

423
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to use the property boundaries

424
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for that, uh, and so that's

425
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what we use for this case. So

426
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we use an entire eight acre

427
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tract to notify everyone within

428
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200ft. So this blue blue line

429
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is the buffer area. Everybody

430
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within that touches that we

431
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send out a notice to uh even

432
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though the only affected areas

433
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this small green box right

434
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there um, so that it makes it

435
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look bigger on the map than it

436
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actually is. So I think there

437
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might be some misunderstanding

438
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about what the scope of that

439
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is. But if there's questions

440
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that come up tonight we can

441
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tackle those as well. But we

442
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wanted to include this just to

443
00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:00,685
be able to explain that ahead

444
00:14:00,685 --> 00:14:03,850
of time in case.

445
00:14:05,456 --> 00:14:06,457
>> those questions came up. Uh,

446
00:14:06,457 --> 00:14:08,459
also some questions about

447
00:14:08,459 --> 00:14:09,694
census alcohol uh related uh

448
00:14:09,694 --> 00:14:11,620
there are some other standards

449
00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:12,196
in not in the zoning code but

450
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in the other parts of the city

451
00:14:13,197 --> 00:14:14,432
code uh, related to alcoholic

452
00:14:14,432 --> 00:14:16,200
beverage sales and

453
00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,935
relationships to. Schools.

454
00:14:17,935 --> 00:14:20,204
>> um churches and public

455
00:14:20,204 --> 00:14:22,707
hospitals. Um, so if you're

456
00:14:22,707 --> 00:14:24,442
looking at um the distances

457
00:14:24,442 --> 00:14:25,943
between uh properties that

458
00:14:25,943 --> 00:14:27,445
might sell alcohol and

459
00:14:27,445 --> 00:14:30,181
properties that are used for

460
00:14:30,181 --> 00:14:31,182
public schools, uh there's a

461
00:14:31,182 --> 00:14:33,183
minimum requirement that those

462
00:14:33,183 --> 00:14:34,686
be set apart by at least 300ft

463
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and that's a property line to

464
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property line measurement from

465
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the closest two points. Um.

466
00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:40,692
>> so the lot where this

467
00:14:40,692 --> 00:14:41,692
property is located here uh,

468
00:14:41,692 --> 00:14:42,694
the property where smithfield

469
00:14:42,694 --> 00:14:43,695
elementary school is over on

470
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the other side of northeast

471
00:14:46,431 --> 00:14:47,933
parkway that's a little over

472
00:14:47,933 --> 00:14:49,333
560ft. Um, just as the crow

473
00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:51,303
flies between those two points.

474
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Uh, so it it well exceeds that

475
00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:55,704
300 foot requirement. Um, if

476
00:14:57,309 --> 00:14:59,811
there were churches or. Um

477
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churches. Public hospitals,

478
00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,814
daycare centers, uh, there'd be

479
00:15:02,814 --> 00:15:04,316
a uh different measurement for

480
00:15:04,316 --> 00:15:05,450
that 300ft is a door to door

481
00:15:05,450 --> 00:15:06,452
measurement not a property line

482
00:15:06,452 --> 00:15:07,820
a property line measurement.

483
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Um, so for instance, if that

484
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were a church property not a

485
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school property we would

486
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measure from door to door and

487
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that would be well over 1500

488
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feet between those two

489
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properties.

490
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>> just. From walking distance

491
00:15:16,829 --> 00:15:18,630
standpoint. Um so I just wanted

492
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to make have that available

493
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when when those questions come

494
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up uh that does uh this this

495
00:15:22,568 --> 00:15:23,802
site does satisfy that

496
00:15:23,802 --> 00:15:25,437
requirement for being 300ft

497
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away. Uh, that's a city

498
00:15:26,305 --> 00:15:29,740
requirement and also a state

499
00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:30,576
requirement. And then just for

500
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reference purposes, um, these

501
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are the other existing alcohol

502
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permits that are located in

503
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this area. Um these are mostly

504
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three convenience stores, you

505
00:15:37,817 --> 00:15:39,452
know the two gas stations there

506
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at the. Corner of northeast

507
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parkway, davis boulevard. Uh,

508
00:15:42,688 --> 00:15:45,458
there is the uh the breaktime

509
00:15:45,458 --> 00:15:46,825
center there at uh main street

510
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smithfield road and then back

511
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for the barbecue has a mixed

512
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beverage permit for their beer.

513
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Wine operations. Uh, so that's

514
00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:55,835
summary of. That one.

515
00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:58,235
>> if there's questions we'll

516
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be happy to answer those two.

517
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Uh.

518
00:16:00,206 --> 00:16:03,443
>> well I was to ask because

519
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it's been um, rezone for retail

520
00:16:05,445 --> 00:16:07,681
and restaurants. What about the

521
00:16:07,681 --> 00:16:09,820
parking because each of those

522
00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:10,583
buildings doesn't look like

523
00:16:10,583 --> 00:16:11,184
that. It has very much parking

524
00:16:11,184 --> 00:16:12,686
.For this.

525
00:16:12,686 --> 00:16:15,550
>> for this, uh, eight acre

526
00:16:15,550 --> 00:16:15,354
site. Um, yeah. I mean most of

527
00:16:15,354 --> 00:16:17,354
this.

528
00:16:17,457 --> 00:16:19,192
>> is a uh, industrial type of

529
00:16:19,192 --> 00:16:20,961
operation. Um, the parking for

530
00:16:20,961 --> 00:16:22,963
these uh, types of uses that

531
00:16:22,963 --> 00:16:24,430
are there uh the parking

532
00:16:24,430 --> 00:16:26,433
requirements are not very high,

533
00:16:26,433 --> 00:16:27,701
um, and are anticipated

534
00:16:27,701 --> 00:16:28,935
probably the number of trips

535
00:16:28,935 --> 00:16:31,438
that might be generated for

536
00:16:31,438 --> 00:16:32,940
these types of uses um,

537
00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:33,941
industrial type of uses or

538
00:16:33,941 --> 00:16:35,709
industrial park type of

539
00:16:35,709 --> 00:16:37,444
businesses properties um

540
00:16:37,444 --> 00:16:39,946
generally generally run in the

541
00:16:39,946 --> 00:16:43,183
range of 3 to 6 trips per day

542
00:16:43,183 --> 00:16:44,952
per 1000ft. Um so if this were

543
00:16:44,952 --> 00:16:46,453
just a typical uh industrial

544
00:16:46,453 --> 00:16:47,821
manufacturing type of operation

545
00:16:47,821 --> 00:16:49,556
which it kind of is a little

546
00:16:49,556 --> 00:16:51,692
bit um at the most you'd

547
00:16:51,692 --> 00:16:53,600
probably see between 3 and 6

548
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,562
trips per day to this one

549
00:16:54,562 --> 00:16:56,562
particular business. Um.

550
00:16:56,830 --> 00:16:59,830
>> that's pretty common uh, for

551
00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:01,769
for this style of development

552
00:17:01,769 --> 00:17:04,769
and tenant mix that you'd.

553
00:17:08,208 --> 00:17:09,710
>> see in this area. All right.

554
00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:11,946
So even though they're going to

555
00:17:11,946 --> 00:17:13,947
have a tasting room and it's

556
00:17:13,947 --> 00:17:15,949
more sort of like that craft

557
00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:18,186
brewery that's down the road a

558
00:17:18,186 --> 00:17:19,687
little bit. Yeah I would.

559
00:17:19,687 --> 00:17:21,689
>> it's not going to change the

560
00:17:21,689 --> 00:17:23,324
parking. No I. Would yeah I I

561
00:17:23,324 --> 00:17:24,192
would not compare from our

562
00:17:24,192 --> 00:17:26,194
understanding of what this

563
00:17:26,194 --> 00:17:27,695
operation is is not the same as

564
00:17:27,695 --> 00:17:30,198
what you might see for keyworth

565
00:17:30,198 --> 00:17:32,433
brewing or uh false idle uh

566
00:17:32,433 --> 00:17:33,201
there on maplewood and in 26.

567
00:17:33,201 --> 00:17:34,936
Um this.

568
00:17:34,936 --> 00:17:37,205
>> is primarily a manufacturing

569
00:17:37,205 --> 00:17:38,940
operation for them to uh.

570
00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:40,942
Ferment the mead, bottle it,

571
00:17:40,942 --> 00:17:42,444
package it, sell it, uh,

572
00:17:42,444 --> 00:17:43,812
distribute it. Um, the.

573
00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,947
>> permit that they're getting

574
00:17:45,947 --> 00:17:47,816
for a winery does allow for.

575
00:17:47,816 --> 00:17:49,317
Tasting um, but uh, generally

576
00:17:49,317 --> 00:17:52,860
they've not indicated any uh,

577
00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:53,822
desire for. Uh actually

578
00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:55,824
creating a open to the public

579
00:17:55,824 --> 00:17:57,559
tasting room like you would for

580
00:17:57,559 --> 00:17:59,561
a taproom or wine bar or

581
00:17:59,561 --> 00:18:00,829
anything like that. Um, the

582
00:18:00,829 --> 00:18:02,197
permit allows them to do that.

583
00:18:02,197 --> 00:18:03,431
The state permit allows them to

584
00:18:03,431 --> 00:18:04,333
have people come in and if they

585
00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:05,567
want to taste that, they can

586
00:18:05,567 --> 00:18:07,680
offer that to them. Uh, but

587
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,572
it's not a place that you could

588
00:18:10,572 --> 00:18:11,940
go sit sit down by a drink and

589
00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:13,750
then hang out for a while and

590
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:14,760
then leave is not that kind of

591
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:15,811
operation and the permit would

592
00:18:15,811 --> 00:18:17,180
not allow for that. And that's

593
00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:18,800
a good question to ask the

594
00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:19,810
applicant tonight to kind of

595
00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:20,583
explain that. But that's the

596
00:18:20,583 --> 00:18:21,584
that's the uh the basic permit

597
00:18:21,584 --> 00:18:22,818
they're getting from the

598
00:18:22,818 --> 00:18:23,686
alcoholic beverage commission

599
00:18:23,686 --> 00:18:26,686
has those restrictions. On it.

600
00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,959
>> just so if they're not doing

601
00:18:29,959 --> 00:18:32,194
that now but they're tbhq

602
00:18:32,194 --> 00:18:34,196
permit allows it, can they come

603
00:18:34,196 --> 00:18:36,431
back later and decide to do

604
00:18:36,431 --> 00:18:38,670
that without coming back? Their

605
00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:40,336
permit would allow for that.

606
00:18:40,336 --> 00:18:42,839
Yes. Um this is only just a

607
00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:44,307
1000 square foot space um 600

608
00:18:44,307 --> 00:18:46,843
plus so that will probably be

609
00:18:46,843 --> 00:18:47,811
taken up by equipment for um

610
00:18:47,811 --> 00:18:49,312
actually doing the the

611
00:18:49,312 --> 00:18:50,680
fermentation in the in the

612
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,814
packaging so there's not a lot

613
00:18:51,814 --> 00:18:53,816
of room left really for any

614
00:18:53,816 --> 00:18:55,840
sort of um social gathering

615
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,860
area or drinking establishment

616
00:18:57,860 --> 00:18:58,188
type operation because that's

617
00:18:58,188 --> 00:18:59,322
really not what the focus of

618
00:18:59,322 --> 00:19:00,857
the uses. Yeah.

619
00:19:00,857 --> 00:19:02,920
>> if it turned into something

620
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:03,326
else we'd have to look at it

621
00:19:03,326 --> 00:19:04,327
differently and uh that could

622
00:19:04,327 --> 00:19:06,563
require some additional zoning

623
00:19:06,563 --> 00:19:07,229
approvals. Yeah it would of

624
00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:08,331
essentially turn it into.

625
00:19:08,331 --> 00:19:08,631
>> a. Wine bar at that point.

626
00:19:08,631 --> 00:19:10,660
Yeah.

627
00:19:10,660 --> 00:19:10,833
>> which is not what the not

628
00:19:10,833 --> 00:19:12,569
what the scope of the

629
00:19:12,569 --> 00:19:14,690
operation. Is and that and that

630
00:19:14,690 --> 00:19:15,572
use requires an sup so it

631
00:19:15,572 --> 00:19:16,940
couldn't just come in for a

632
00:19:16,940 --> 00:19:18,208
permit to become a wine bar

633
00:19:18,208 --> 00:19:19,309
without some sort of specific

634
00:19:19,309 --> 00:19:20,444
approval for that it would go

635
00:19:20,444 --> 00:19:22,713
through that kind of the same

636
00:19:22,713 --> 00:19:23,130
exact process again. Yeah,

637
00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:23,713
they.

638
00:19:23,713 --> 00:19:26,113
>> changed their scope. That

639
00:19:28,452 --> 00:19:30,860
could be very possible. But um

640
00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:31,880
can I talk about the for just a

641
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,823
minute. The the. Parking

642
00:19:32,823 --> 00:19:33,957
because you know sure. After

643
00:19:33,957 --> 00:19:36,960
reading all these things I just

644
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,961
want to. So each one of the

645
00:19:37,961 --> 00:19:39,964
businesses there have uh

646
00:19:39,964 --> 00:19:42,199
probably what about three spots

647
00:19:42,199 --> 00:19:43,701
in front of their place? More

648
00:19:43,701 --> 00:19:45,469
more or less. Yeah. So so and

649
00:19:45,469 --> 00:19:47,705
then and there's and so there's

650
00:19:47,705 --> 00:19:50,441
not going to be a lot of cars

651
00:19:50,441 --> 00:19:52,443
and we're not creating more

652
00:19:52,443 --> 00:19:54,211
space. The space is already

653
00:19:54,211 --> 00:19:57,448
there as it is and it's not

654
00:19:57,448 --> 00:19:58,950
changing the number of of um

655
00:19:58,950 --> 00:20:00,318
parking spaces that are needed.

656
00:20:00,318 --> 00:20:02,587
There's no place to go to

657
00:20:02,587 --> 00:20:03,821
create more parking spaces. Yes

658
00:20:03,821 --> 00:20:05,690
.No.

659
00:20:05,690 --> 00:20:06,958
>> I understand that. Yeah. I

660
00:20:06,958 --> 00:20:08,326
mean it's an existing property

661
00:20:08,326 --> 00:20:09,460
that uh let me back up to a

662
00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:09,793
little bit larger area map.

663
00:20:09,793 --> 00:20:11,195
Here in.

664
00:20:11,195 --> 00:20:12,330
>> the intent is not to have a

665
00:20:12,330 --> 00:20:13,830
whole lot of people there

666
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:15,200
because it's there's not the

667
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,434
space for it. Right.

668
00:20:16,434 --> 00:20:17,936
>> there's not the. Space and

669
00:20:17,936 --> 00:20:19,837
the the operation that's being

670
00:20:19,837 --> 00:20:21,572
done is not a retail type

671
00:20:21,572 --> 00:20:23,341
operation or a destination

672
00:20:23,341 --> 00:20:24,710
operation. Um many of the.

673
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:25,944
Businesses that are in here I

674
00:20:25,944 --> 00:20:27,780
think that you would ask what

675
00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:28,947
you know, what businesses are

676
00:20:28,947 --> 00:20:30,949
in this kind of uh. In this

677
00:20:30,949 --> 00:20:31,716
property. Um, a lot of them are

678
00:20:31,716 --> 00:20:33,716
mostly industrial commercial

679
00:20:35,954 --> 00:20:37,455
type businesses. Um. There's a

680
00:20:37,455 --> 00:20:39,910
roofing play. Smurfit kappa has

681
00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:40,591
an operation there for some of

682
00:20:40,591 --> 00:20:42,327
their overflow stuff. Um.

683
00:20:42,327 --> 00:20:44,563
>> there's uh places that do

684
00:20:44,563 --> 00:20:46,331
uh, window tinting. Uh, there's

685
00:20:46,331 --> 00:20:48,660
a commercial driver's license

686
00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:49,334
school uh, and one of the

687
00:20:49,334 --> 00:20:50,936
operate one of the places is a

688
00:20:50,936 --> 00:20:52,204
hot tub uh, sales and service

689
00:20:52,204 --> 00:20:53,939
place, a swimming pool service

690
00:20:53,939 --> 00:20:55,207
store, uh, or service

691
00:20:55,207 --> 00:20:56,708
operation. Um.

692
00:20:56,708 --> 00:20:57,810
>> a lot of these are more

693
00:20:57,810 --> 00:20:58,844
contractor type things that are

694
00:20:58,844 --> 00:21:00,780
located in this facility

695
00:21:00,780 --> 00:21:01,580
because it's more geared

696
00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:02,715
towards that type of business

697
00:21:02,715 --> 00:21:04,183
and not really geared towards

698
00:21:04,183 --> 00:21:06,452
more of a retail type operation

699
00:21:06,452 --> 00:21:07,820
.Um, so but if this property

700
00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:08,953
were to completely redevelop at

701
00:21:08,953 --> 00:21:10,456
some point in the future and do

702
00:21:10,456 --> 00:21:11,691
something else then uh there's

703
00:21:11,691 --> 00:21:13,192
certainly be a good this time

704
00:21:13,192 --> 00:21:14,460
to discuss you know exactly how

705
00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:15,694
that would look. Uh, but

706
00:21:15,694 --> 00:21:17,463
there's not been any indication

707
00:21:17,463 --> 00:21:19,198
by the property owner to pursue

708
00:21:19,198 --> 00:21:21,200
that anytime in the near

709
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,468
future. So what's here now is

710
00:21:22,468 --> 00:21:22,802
probably going to be here for

711
00:21:22,802 --> 00:21:24,436
for a.

712
00:21:24,436 --> 00:21:26,939
>> little. Bit longer for sure.

713
00:21:26,939 --> 00:21:29,208
And what we're looking at is a

714
00:21:29,208 --> 00:21:31,577
special development plan not an

715
00:21:31,577 --> 00:21:32,445
sup. Can you tell.

716
00:21:32,445 --> 00:21:33,580
>> us technically yes. Yeah

717
00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:36,314
but. Tell me the difference in

718
00:21:36,314 --> 00:21:36,716
those I guess. We've had jump

719
00:21:36,716 --> 00:21:38,840
in. I was.

720
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,850
>> just I was just going to

721
00:21:39,850 --> 00:21:39,485
share my conversation. Yeah go

722
00:21:39,485 --> 00:21:40,820
ahead. Yes.

723
00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:42,880
>> so I was talking to the city

724
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:42,955
attorney about this uh this

725
00:21:42,955 --> 00:21:43,956
project um like clayton

726
00:21:43,956 --> 00:21:45,910
mentioned, this is kind of a

727
00:21:45,910 --> 00:21:46,959
tool that we've used on similar

728
00:21:46,959 --> 00:21:48,695
case um, in the past one of the

729
00:21:48,695 --> 00:21:50,964
more recent examples was the um

730
00:21:50,964 --> 00:21:52,932
it was a motorcycle sales

731
00:21:52,932 --> 00:21:55,335
application use uh in the T.O.T

732
00:21:55,335 --> 00:21:56,202
that um it was withdrawn so you

733
00:21:56,202 --> 00:21:57,700
actually didn't consider that

734
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:58,710
case but it was one that we

735
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:59,572
kind of process through in the

736
00:21:59,572 --> 00:22:00,840
same manner we as a special

737
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,750
development plan uh, a little

738
00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:03,443
bit different in that that we

739
00:22:03,443 --> 00:22:04,577
use was actually listed as not

740
00:22:04,577 --> 00:22:07,800
permitted this use is just not

741
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,582
listed at all. Um so we had a

742
00:22:08,582 --> 00:22:10,817
question come up today about an

743
00:22:10,817 --> 00:22:11,951
sup versus an sdp and so in

744
00:22:11,951 --> 00:22:13,453
talking with the city attorney

745
00:22:13,453 --> 00:22:15,188
about um kind of the decision

746
00:22:15,188 --> 00:22:16,456
to go this route or if he had

747
00:22:16,456 --> 00:22:18,959
any concerns with this route

748
00:22:18,959 --> 00:22:21,328
versus an sup um, he indicated

749
00:22:21,328 --> 00:22:22,830
kind of that in order to move

750
00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:24,640
forward with an sup just like

751
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:24,965
in a normal traditional zoning

752
00:22:24,965 --> 00:22:26,467
it has to be listed in the

753
00:22:26,467 --> 00:22:28,202
table of uses and it has to be

754
00:22:28,202 --> 00:22:29,469
listed um as permitted by a

755
00:22:29,469 --> 00:22:30,837
sup. So we have you know, in

756
00:22:30,837 --> 00:22:32,720
our normal table of uses we

757
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:33,841
have permitted or we have

758
00:22:33,841 --> 00:22:36,750
permitted by sup um or the

759
00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:37,344
blanks are not permitted and so

760
00:22:37,344 --> 00:22:38,812
similarly here we have uses in

761
00:22:38,812 --> 00:22:40,814
the table that are listed as

762
00:22:40,814 --> 00:22:42,583
approved only by or allowed

763
00:22:42,583 --> 00:22:43,450
only by sup. We have a lot of

764
00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:44,452
other categories in T.O.T it's

765
00:22:44,452 --> 00:22:46,454
a little bit different than the

766
00:22:46,454 --> 00:22:49,454
normal one um road conditions

767
00:22:49,457 --> 00:22:50,957
and um various uh various

768
00:22:50,957 --> 00:22:52,959
categories but but some of them

769
00:22:52,959 --> 00:22:54,595
are permitted by sup only um

770
00:22:54,595 --> 00:22:55,463
this use I think there are a

771
00:22:55,463 --> 00:22:56,831
couple of routes that we could

772
00:22:56,831 --> 00:22:58,332
go. One would be that we could

773
00:22:58,332 --> 00:23:00,935
consider a tax revision to add

774
00:23:00,935 --> 00:23:02,203
that use into the table. Um and

775
00:23:02,203 --> 00:23:03,939
then at that time determine

776
00:23:03,939 --> 00:23:05,473
which zoning districts this

777
00:23:05,473 --> 00:23:07,709
type of use might be permitted

778
00:23:07,709 --> 00:23:08,710
either not permitted or

779
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:10,444
permitted or permitted with

780
00:23:10,444 --> 00:23:12,714
conditions or permitted by as

781
00:23:12,714 --> 00:23:14,449
uap or sdp or or whatever kind

782
00:23:14,449 --> 00:23:15,717
of categorization we want to

783
00:23:15,717 --> 00:23:16,818
give to each district or each

784
00:23:16,818 --> 00:23:19,870
one of the character zones

785
00:23:19,870 --> 00:23:20,322
rather um and then the next

786
00:23:20,322 --> 00:23:21,456
step would be the applicant

787
00:23:21,456 --> 00:23:22,156
could then if it were

788
00:23:22,156 --> 00:23:23,591
determined that was something

789
00:23:23,591 --> 00:23:24,693
that was allowed by sup in that

790
00:23:24,693 --> 00:23:27,195
zone they could apply for the

791
00:23:27,195 --> 00:23:28,697
sup. This kind of combines us

792
00:23:28,697 --> 00:23:29,965
into one step. Um our

793
00:23:29,965 --> 00:23:32,467
conversation was kind of a this

794
00:23:32,467 --> 00:23:35,704
is really aligns almost with a

795
00:23:35,704 --> 00:23:37,472
pd uh in that it's kind of a uh

796
00:23:37,472 --> 00:23:38,573
creative tool in the in the

797
00:23:38,573 --> 00:23:40,342
text I don't have it in front

798
00:23:40,342 --> 00:23:41,843
of me but it kind of talks

799
00:23:41,843 --> 00:23:42,945
about in the the text related

800
00:23:42,945 --> 00:23:45,213
to special development plans in

801
00:23:45,213 --> 00:23:46,448
the tod uh zoning section about

802
00:23:46,448 --> 00:23:48,830
how this is allowed. This is

803
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:49,818
kind of the the goal of this is

804
00:23:49,818 --> 00:23:50,953
to give some flexibility. Uh,

805
00:23:50,953 --> 00:23:51,720
there are some things to

806
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,589
consider what you clayton

807
00:23:53,589 --> 00:23:55,591
outlined in the memo um, to

808
00:23:55,591 --> 00:23:56,592
kind of consider um, when the

809
00:23:56,592 --> 00:23:57,826
council's making that decision

810
00:23:57,826 --> 00:23:59,461
on whether they want to approve

811
00:23:59,461 --> 00:24:01,196
it as an sdp or not. But I

812
00:24:01,196 --> 00:24:02,197
think the the goal is really

813
00:24:02,197 --> 00:24:04,466
just to make sure it's kind of

814
00:24:04,466 --> 00:24:05,968
within the spirit of the tod in

815
00:24:05,968 --> 00:24:09,568
general as meeting the goals of

816
00:24:09,705 --> 00:24:10,940
the the zone. And um. I really

817
00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:11,707
wanted to read that to you.

818
00:24:11,707 --> 00:24:14,107
Hang on here. Um.

819
00:24:14,943 --> 00:24:16,445
>> so it says that they are uh,

820
00:24:16,445 --> 00:24:18,214
special development plans are

821
00:24:18,214 --> 00:24:19,715
intended to allow applicants

822
00:24:19,715 --> 00:24:20,950
development flexibility to

823
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:21,951
address specific market

824
00:24:21,951 --> 00:24:24,351
opportunities and or contexts.

825
00:24:24,954 --> 00:24:26,456
And so we think about this this

826
00:24:26,456 --> 00:24:28,691
location uh, the specific

827
00:24:28,691 --> 00:24:30,192
building, the specific use um I

828
00:24:30,192 --> 00:24:32,961
think it fits in pretty well

829
00:24:32,961 --> 00:24:34,697
within that um surrounding

830
00:24:34,697 --> 00:24:36,466
properties. Um, and we felt

831
00:24:36,466 --> 00:24:37,967
like it was an appropriate

832
00:24:37,967 --> 00:24:38,801
avenue to let them move forward

833
00:24:38,801 --> 00:24:40,700
with the special development

834
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:41,571
plan, which is really a one

835
00:24:41,571 --> 00:24:42,839
step process to come through

836
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,341
pnc and city council rather

837
00:24:44,341 --> 00:24:45,575
than two different steps. I

838
00:24:45,575 --> 00:24:47,577
would say ultimately though,

839
00:24:47,577 --> 00:24:50,790
it's the same process in terms

840
00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:51,214
of notice hearings uh and

841
00:24:51,214 --> 00:24:52,949
consideration and action. So go

842
00:24:52,949 --> 00:24:54,951
through pnc and city council

843
00:24:54,951 --> 00:24:57,954
the same way a zoning change or

844
00:24:57,954 --> 00:24:59,189
an sup or any other kind of

845
00:24:59,189 --> 00:25:02,189
similar process. So it's really

846
00:25:02,192 --> 00:25:03,827
just a. Um kind of a little bit

847
00:25:03,827 --> 00:25:05,595
simpler stuff that we wrapped

848
00:25:05,595 --> 00:25:07,464
up into this one one step

849
00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:09,967
process. So know and I know one

850
00:25:09,967 --> 00:25:11,468
of the things you hear a lot on

851
00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,437
pnc training types right is

852
00:25:14,437 --> 00:25:17,708
like you said is not users. You

853
00:25:17,708 --> 00:25:19,442
know um and especially comes in

854
00:25:19,442 --> 00:25:21,712
I know in this up where once

855
00:25:21,712 --> 00:25:23,714
you've approved it you know the

856
00:25:23,714 --> 00:25:25,449
next the next person can have

857
00:25:25,449 --> 00:25:27,451
that the next user can have the

858
00:25:27,451 --> 00:25:31,510
same permit. Is that a similar

859
00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:34,458
kind of effect with the sdp? I

860
00:25:34,458 --> 00:25:35,960
would say. Yes it is um the way

861
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,228
we've. Typically done that in

862
00:25:37,228 --> 00:25:40,228
the. Past though was not

863
00:25:40,464 --> 00:25:42,233
required. Um is we've put a um.

864
00:25:42,233 --> 00:25:43,467
Expiration clause in the in the

865
00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:45,970
standards um that says pretty

866
00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:48,472
much after three years um the.

867
00:25:48,472 --> 00:25:49,839
Approval expires. Um but the

868
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,342
use can't continue if it lasts

869
00:25:51,342 --> 00:25:52,610
longer than three years but

870
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:53,844
after the three year period it

871
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:55,613
just becomes a non-conforming

872
00:25:55,613 --> 00:25:58,116
use just like any other use

873
00:25:58,116 --> 00:26:00,351
might. Um and so if they were

874
00:26:00,351 --> 00:26:01,719
to um after five years say they

875
00:26:01,719 --> 00:26:03,955
outgrew this space needed to

876
00:26:03,955 --> 00:26:05,356
move on somewhere else um. Or

877
00:26:05,356 --> 00:26:06,957
decided not to do it anymore

878
00:26:06,957 --> 00:26:07,859
um, there'd be like a six month

879
00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,460
window to where someone could

880
00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:09,727
come in and do the same thing.

881
00:26:09,727 --> 00:26:11,463
Um.

882
00:26:11,463 --> 00:26:12,960
>> to do the same thing here

883
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,465
would mean doing.

884
00:26:13,465 --> 00:26:13,765
>> the same thing, you know,

885
00:26:13,765 --> 00:26:15,467
doing.

886
00:26:15,467 --> 00:26:16,968
>> you know, fermenting. Meat

887
00:26:16,968 --> 00:26:18,336
and bottling. And doing that in

888
00:26:18,336 --> 00:26:19,337
this new space. Uh, so it

889
00:26:19,337 --> 00:26:20,338
wouldn't that would not

890
00:26:20,338 --> 00:26:22,607
translate over into something

891
00:26:22,607 --> 00:26:24,342
outside of that scope, um, to

892
00:26:24,342 --> 00:26:25,210
where a taproom or wine bar or

893
00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:26,111
something else could catch on

894
00:26:26,111 --> 00:26:27,980
to that. And move.

895
00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:28,713
>> in in its place um, it would

896
00:26:28,713 --> 00:26:30,800
basically essentially be have

897
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,583
to be the same type of use

898
00:26:31,583 --> 00:26:33,852
literally uh to to qualify for

899
00:26:33,852 --> 00:26:34,986
that. Um so and if that doesn't

900
00:26:34,986 --> 00:26:35,988
happen in six months then that

901
00:26:35,988 --> 00:26:36,855
approval just goes away and

902
00:26:36,855 --> 00:26:37,856
everything it expires and if

903
00:26:37,856 --> 00:26:39,358
someone wants to come do

904
00:26:39,358 --> 00:26:40,359
something similar or different

905
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,461
they just go back through the.

906
00:26:42,461 --> 00:26:43,595
Process again. And so we do

907
00:26:43,595 --> 00:26:44,962
that with a lot of the special

908
00:26:44,962 --> 00:26:47,366
use permit and all the wing

909
00:26:47,366 --> 00:26:48,967
drone permits um a lot of the

910
00:26:48,967 --> 00:26:49,835
special uses for any kind of uh

911
00:26:49,835 --> 00:26:50,736
vape shops auto repair or

912
00:26:50,736 --> 00:26:51,303
anything like that all have

913
00:26:51,303 --> 00:26:52,237
that. Category that.

914
00:26:52,237 --> 00:26:54,637
>> all have that condition

915
00:26:55,975 --> 00:26:57,842
attached. To it, you know, um

916
00:26:57,842 --> 00:26:58,210
correct. Me if I'm if I'm wrong

917
00:26:58,210 --> 00:27:00,210
your. Uh.

918
00:27:00,346 --> 00:27:02,346
>> 400 square foot.

919
00:27:03,849 --> 00:27:05,851
>> of available space uh uh,

920
00:27:05,851 --> 00:27:07,353
outside of the equipment. The

921
00:27:07,353 --> 00:27:08,587
fire. Marshal is going to

922
00:27:08,587 --> 00:27:09,855
severely limit the number of

923
00:27:09,855 --> 00:27:11,223
people you can have in there

924
00:27:11,223 --> 00:27:12,591
anyway. Correct? Uh, I imagine

925
00:27:12,591 --> 00:27:14,227
that would be very much the

926
00:27:14,227 --> 00:27:15,461
case. Yes. Yeah. And in a place

927
00:27:15,461 --> 00:27:17,463
of the small that's primarily

928
00:27:17,463 --> 00:27:18,598
doing manufacturing, um, a

929
00:27:18,598 --> 00:27:19,599
little bit of office space is

930
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:21,968
probably about all this left

931
00:27:21,968 --> 00:27:23,603
for that. Um and then if you

932
00:27:23,603 --> 00:27:24,837
know, if they were open and

933
00:27:24,837 --> 00:27:26,339
operating and you knew the

934
00:27:26,339 --> 00:27:27,473
owner and wanted to get a tour

935
00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:28,840
and have a look at what's going

936
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,842
on and he offered you a free

937
00:27:29,842 --> 00:27:31,343
sample that's pretty much how

938
00:27:31,343 --> 00:27:31,611
the wine tasting kind of works.

939
00:27:31,611 --> 00:27:33,611
Um.

940
00:27:33,847 --> 00:27:35,348
>> the permit allows them to do

941
00:27:35,348 --> 00:27:36,349
that. Uh, the alcoholic

942
00:27:36,349 --> 00:27:37,482
beverage permit allows them to

943
00:27:37,482 --> 00:27:38,718
do that. So I was looking up a

944
00:27:38,718 --> 00:27:40,587
minute ago. Um.

945
00:27:40,587 --> 00:27:41,855
>> uh, does not require them to

946
00:27:41,855 --> 00:27:43,723
charge a fee for it. They can

947
00:27:43,723 --> 00:27:45,725
offer it for free. Um, but it

948
00:27:45,725 --> 00:27:46,726
doesn't have. A it's.

949
00:27:46,726 --> 00:27:47,460
>> not a place to where you

950
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:47,928
could go and sit down, hang

951
00:27:47,928 --> 00:27:49,950
out. It's not.

952
00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:51,495
>> not the permit doesn't

953
00:27:51,965 --> 00:27:53,466
really address that. So it's

954
00:27:53,466 --> 00:27:56,736
different than what's on tap or

955
00:27:56,736 --> 00:27:58,972
different than. Foss island and

956
00:27:58,972 --> 00:27:59,306
.You might not know the

957
00:27:59,306 --> 00:28:00,340
answer.

958
00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:01,608
>> there's just a rough

959
00:28:01,608 --> 00:28:01,975
estimate the. Distance door to

960
00:28:01,975 --> 00:28:03,210
door from.

961
00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:05,345
>> that to the. First house up

962
00:28:05,345 --> 00:28:06,480
there. Um we.

963
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,847
>> could probably figured that

964
00:28:07,847 --> 00:28:08,982
out and I don't. Want to.

965
00:28:08,982 --> 00:28:10,216
>> put a quick number on it. Do

966
00:28:10,216 --> 00:28:11,351
it. I run a quick number. On

967
00:28:11,351 --> 00:28:12,853
okay if you also to that.

968
00:28:12,853 --> 00:28:15,222
Convenience store up top if you

969
00:28:15,222 --> 00:28:16,356
can out this one right that one

970
00:28:16,356 --> 00:28:17,858
right there um door to door.

971
00:28:17,858 --> 00:28:20,858
>> to. That first house. Right

972
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:22,863
there to sure. Um I can tell

973
00:28:22,863 --> 00:28:24,865
you from the school. Uh, that

974
00:28:24,865 --> 00:28:26,100
this uh this property here is a

975
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:27,368
little bit over 300ft, uh,

976
00:28:27,368 --> 00:28:29,603
proper on the property line.

977
00:28:29,603 --> 00:28:30,471
This one is just slightly under

978
00:28:30,471 --> 00:28:32,373
200ft from property line. A

979
00:28:32,373 --> 00:28:33,474
property line. But we'll we'll.

980
00:28:33,474 --> 00:28:35,874
>> check those door. Distances

981
00:28:36,743 --> 00:28:38,479
for you. Thank you. Uh. What's

982
00:28:38,479 --> 00:28:39,713
the city's process for

983
00:28:39,713 --> 00:28:41,713
unclassified uses? Um.

984
00:28:41,983 --> 00:28:43,985
>> in the rest of the zoning

985
00:28:43,985 --> 00:28:46,487
ordinance because it MAY make

986
00:28:46,487 --> 00:28:48,456
sense to kind of look at. Like

987
00:28:48,456 --> 00:28:51,456
making. Sure there's some. Way

988
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,960
that the director can have some

989
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,950
interpretation and then if

990
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:55,596
there is a question that

991
00:28:55,596 --> 00:28:58,332
sometimes is brought to be in

992
00:28:58,332 --> 00:29:01,336
the council um, so that would

993
00:29:01,336 --> 00:29:02,837
be uh because not all uses will

994
00:29:02,837 --> 00:29:05,106
most probably be listed and as

995
00:29:05,106 --> 00:29:06,840
you kind of look at new uses

996
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,843
that MAY be coming up, you want

997
00:29:08,843 --> 00:29:11,480
to have that. Um option so you

998
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,481
don't want to be too tightly

999
00:29:14,481 --> 00:29:16,217
kind of controlled by. The code

1000
00:29:16,217 --> 00:29:17,218
if. We do have that process

1001
00:29:17,218 --> 00:29:19,354
built into the zoning

1002
00:29:19,354 --> 00:29:21,890
ordinance. Um, the. Last one I

1003
00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:22,357
can think of specifically um

1004
00:29:22,357 --> 00:29:23,358
because I was thinking about it

1005
00:29:23,358 --> 00:29:24,860
just the other day was the

1006
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:26,994
blood plasma centers. Um.

1007
00:29:26,994 --> 00:29:27,863
>> so there was a plasma center

1008
00:29:27,863 --> 00:29:30,965
on roofs? No that wanted to

1009
00:29:30,965 --> 00:29:32,734
move in up next to the. Eco

1010
00:29:32,734 --> 00:29:34,470
thrift right in that area right

1011
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:36,972
there and city boulevard um,

1012
00:29:36,972 --> 00:29:37,973
that we the development

1013
00:29:37,973 --> 00:29:39,241
committee talked about that

1014
00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:39,975
quite a bit to see of what kind

1015
00:29:39,975 --> 00:29:41,110
of category that might.

1016
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:42,844
>> fall under. Um.

1017
00:29:42,844 --> 00:29:43,545
>> but we determined it was

1018
00:29:43,545 --> 00:29:44,713
completely different type of

1019
00:29:44,713 --> 00:29:46,982
use and then the other options

1020
00:29:46,982 --> 00:29:48,851
that were available um, so they

1021
00:29:48,851 --> 00:29:52,451
proposed uh, as part of an

1022
00:29:55,231 --> 00:29:55,360
application uh, to add that use

1023
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:55,484
is a proposed use in the zoning

1024
00:29:55,484 --> 00:29:56,592
ordinance, uh. With conditions

1025
00:29:56,592 --> 00:29:57,726
attached to it and that process

1026
00:29:57,726 --> 00:29:59,995
to amend the zoning ordinance

1027
00:29:59,995 --> 00:30:01,464
before the city council um city

1028
00:30:01,464 --> 00:30:02,598
council adopted that requires

1029
00:30:02,598 --> 00:30:04,100
some. Special use permit and

1030
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,101
such. And then after that was

1031
00:30:05,101 --> 00:30:05,835
approved they came in and

1032
00:30:05,835 --> 00:30:07,470
applied for the special use

1033
00:30:07,470 --> 00:30:08,738
permit to come forward. Um, so

1034
00:30:08,738 --> 00:30:10,106
there's a there's a process for

1035
00:30:10,106 --> 00:30:11,841
us to be able to do that if we

1036
00:30:11,841 --> 00:30:13,109
can't figure out a way that it

1037
00:30:13,109 --> 00:30:14,110
fits into, you know,

1038
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:15,344
functionally or operationally

1039
00:30:15,344 --> 00:30:16,845
any other category that's

1040
00:30:16,845 --> 00:30:18,114
similar, then that that option

1041
00:30:18,114 --> 00:30:19,482
exists to be able to go through

1042
00:30:19,482 --> 00:30:21,617
that process. So it's almost a

1043
00:30:21,617 --> 00:30:22,484
two step type of thing. Um, I

1044
00:30:22,484 --> 00:30:24,486
think that corey was.

1045
00:30:24,486 --> 00:30:24,988
Mentioning um. To to look at it

1046
00:30:24,988 --> 00:30:26,489
that specifically.

1047
00:30:26,489 --> 00:30:28,992
>> yeah, my only concern with

1048
00:30:28,992 --> 00:30:30,994
using the sdp is that there is

1049
00:30:30,994 --> 00:30:32,996
no kind of actual physical

1050
00:30:32,996 --> 00:30:34,963
concept land that's different

1051
00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:37,233
or you know that that kind of

1052
00:30:37,233 --> 00:30:38,967
need a different I know this is

1053
00:30:38,967 --> 00:30:41,104
an existing building and site

1054
00:30:41,104 --> 00:30:42,872
and the sdp was written I mean

1055
00:30:42,872 --> 00:30:44,874
because I wrote it so I know

1056
00:30:44,874 --> 00:30:46,743
the intent was to kind of if

1057
00:30:46,743 --> 00:30:48,478
there is a different physical

1058
00:30:48,478 --> 00:30:50,480
layout of the site that still

1059
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,983
meets the intent of the D.O.T.

1060
00:30:52,983 --> 00:30:55,986
And this one uses the existing

1061
00:30:55,986 --> 00:30:57,120
building and and sites. So

1062
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,622
that's my main concern that

1063
00:30:58,622 --> 00:31:00,357
it's only for a use and really

1064
00:31:00,357 --> 00:31:01,624
the better tool is to use an

1065
00:31:01,624 --> 00:31:03,260
suv. I will.

1066
00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:03,994
>> tell you on the um kind of

1067
00:31:03,994 --> 00:31:05,628
interpretation of new and

1068
00:31:05,628 --> 00:31:07,231
unlisted uses and and kind of

1069
00:31:07,231 --> 00:31:08,498
all of this one of our kind of

1070
00:31:08,498 --> 00:31:09,866
bigger upcoming projects over

1071
00:31:09,866 --> 00:31:11,635
the winter is going to be. Kind

1072
00:31:11,635 --> 00:31:14,103
of a full revamp of our table

1073
00:31:14,103 --> 00:31:15,739
of uses. Um, the table uses and

1074
00:31:15,739 --> 00:31:16,740
this um permitted use that the

1075
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:17,875
characters on will kind of go

1076
00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:19,609
hand in hand. We'll look at

1077
00:31:19,609 --> 00:31:21,612
those together. Um I think

1078
00:31:21,612 --> 00:31:23,113
there will be probably. Just

1079
00:31:23,113 --> 00:31:24,381
projects a pretty significant

1080
00:31:24,381 --> 00:31:25,616
decrease in the number of

1081
00:31:25,616 --> 00:31:27,384
individual uses a little bit

1082
00:31:27,384 --> 00:31:28,619
broader categories and some um

1083
00:31:28,619 --> 00:31:30,121
conditions kind of built in

1084
00:31:30,121 --> 00:31:32,356
that lessen the number of sups.

1085
00:31:32,356 --> 00:31:33,357
That's kind of the goal. Um but

1086
00:31:33,357 --> 00:31:34,358
I think that a lot of these

1087
00:31:34,358 --> 00:31:36,494
uses that we've seen that have

1088
00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:37,495
come up that we've kind of use

1089
00:31:37,495 --> 00:31:39,497
interpretations or kind of

1090
00:31:39,497 --> 00:31:41,632
found what they align with more

1091
00:31:41,632 --> 00:31:44,135
fully. Um, some of the newer

1092
00:31:44,135 --> 00:31:45,736
uses um. We'll we'll try to

1093
00:31:45,736 --> 00:31:46,700
capture as many of those as we

1094
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,700
can in.

1095
00:31:48,373 --> 00:31:50,108
>> the new in the new updated.

1096
00:31:50,108 --> 00:31:51,109
Table which will I'm sure will

1097
00:31:51,109 --> 00:31:52,243
workshop multiple times with

1098
00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:53,878
you all before we get to a kind

1099
00:31:53,878 --> 00:31:55,245
of a final uh, consensus on

1100
00:31:55,245 --> 00:31:56,481
that to get it to council. But

1101
00:31:56,481 --> 00:31:57,982
that is. Not something that

1102
00:31:57,982 --> 00:31:58,983
we're ignoring. It's on the

1103
00:31:58,983 --> 00:32:00,118
it's on the radar and we have

1104
00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:01,753
lots of ideas for things that

1105
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,756
need need to be fixed. Um and

1106
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:05,523
we MAY um I just was kind of

1107
00:32:05,523 --> 00:32:06,991
rereading that classification

1108
00:32:06,991 --> 00:32:08,626
I'm doing on the city section.

1109
00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:09,861
We MAY look at maybe a slight

1110
00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:10,762
modification just to kind of

1111
00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:12,230
call out specifically what

1112
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:14,499
you're mentioning. Um, jay on

1113
00:32:14,499 --> 00:32:15,500
the the interpretation so that

1114
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,135
not everything needs to come

1115
00:32:17,135 --> 00:32:19,400
back through uh, to pnc for new

1116
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,600
uses if we can find a similar

1117
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,742
comparable intensity use. Well

1118
00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:26,478
and also now with state law

1119
00:32:26,478 --> 00:32:28,480
that requires you to notify

1120
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,247
properties that you make

1121
00:32:30,247 --> 00:32:31,617
non-conforming, that's a bigger

1122
00:32:31,617 --> 00:32:32,885
issue when you change some of

1123
00:32:32,885 --> 00:32:34,118
that that's going to also

1124
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,854
affect that and you want to

1125
00:32:35,854 --> 00:32:38,357
minimize that and that's made

1126
00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:39,124
life more difficult for

1127
00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:41,124
planners. Um.

1128
00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:45,998
>> so going back one quick time

1129
00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:48,233
to the how far is it from this.

1130
00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:51,233
Space to first. House that's

1131
00:32:51,237 --> 00:32:52,238
about 380ft. Walking distance

1132
00:32:52,238 --> 00:32:53,239
from there to there plus or.

1133
00:32:53,239 --> 00:32:54,240
Minus um from.

1134
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640
>> the convenience store to

1135
00:33:00,513 --> 00:33:02,248
there's about 670ft. So it's

1136
00:33:02,248 --> 00:33:04,150
quick on the down again when

1137
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:05,885
you have multiple multiple.

1138
00:33:05,885 --> 00:33:08,885
>> things to use. Yeah who

1139
00:33:09,121 --> 00:33:10,623
knows where. Yeah I know how to

1140
00:33:10,623 --> 00:33:13,125
use google measures on. Good

1141
00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:13,626
mango. Let's good question

1142
00:33:13,626 --> 00:33:15,361
thanks for asking.

1143
00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:18,361
>> that any any other work

1144
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:20,633
session questions on this item.

1145
00:33:20,633 --> 00:33:21,734
You got it on SEPTEMBER 4th.

1146
00:33:21,734 --> 00:33:23,736
Yeah this was SEPTEMBER 14th.

1147
00:33:23,736 --> 00:33:25,238
Also okay anything else on that

1148
00:33:25,238 --> 00:33:28,241
one. That's all we have. All

1149
00:33:28,241 --> 00:33:30,900
right thank you. Uh we'll go to

1150
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:31,744
item b is the future agenda

1151
00:33:31,744 --> 00:33:33,110
items. Purpose of this item is

1152
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:33,980
to allow the planning and

1153
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:35,982
zoning commission to bring

1154
00:33:35,982 --> 00:33:38,485
forward items or issues they

1155
00:33:38,485 --> 00:33:40,486
wish you to discuss on future

1156
00:33:40,486 --> 00:33:41,988
work session agendas. Does

1157
00:33:41,988 --> 00:33:44,988
anyone have any proposals for

1158
00:33:45,992 --> 00:33:48,261
future items to consider? All

1159
00:33:48,261 --> 00:33:50,997
right seeing none there is no

1160
00:33:50,997 --> 00:33:54,267
other business so we will begin

1161
00:33:54,267 --> 00:33:56,667
our regular session at 7:10

1162
00:34:00,307 --> 00:34:02,307
P.M..

1163
00:34:37,565 --> 00:34:38,566
Good evening. Welcome to the

1164
00:34:38,566 --> 00:34:39,800
north richland hills planning

1165
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,200
and zoning commission meeting.

1166
00:34:43,304 --> 00:34:45,306
It is 7:11 P.M. And I call the

1167
00:34:45,306 --> 00:34:47,306
thursday SEPTEMBER 3rd, 2026

1168
00:34:47,575 --> 00:34:48,943
planning and zoning meeting to

1169
00:34:48,943 --> 00:34:50,445
order a quorum of the planning

1170
00:34:50,445 --> 00:34:51,946
and zoning meeting. A

1171
00:34:51,946 --> 00:34:53,681
commission is present and the

1172
00:34:53,681 --> 00:34:54,949
meeting has been posted in

1173
00:34:54,949 --> 00:34:56,451
accordance to the texas open

1174
00:34:56,451 --> 00:34:58,453
meetings act of the texas

1175
00:34:58,453 --> 00:34:59,687
government code for the

1176
00:34:59,687 --> 00:35:01,690
information of those attending

1177
00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:02,957
the meeting or viewing online

1178
00:35:02,957 --> 00:35:04,960
or on television. The planning

1179
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,195
and zoning commission includes

1180
00:35:07,195 --> 00:35:08,429
seven regular members and two

1181
00:35:08,429 --> 00:35:10,829
alternate members appointed by

1182
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:12,700
the city council. The alternate

1183
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:13,702
members MAY participate in

1184
00:35:13,702 --> 00:35:15,437
discussion about agenda items,

1185
00:35:15,437 --> 00:35:16,937
but they only vote on the items

1186
00:35:16,937 --> 00:35:20,537
itself if a regular member is

1187
00:35:20,575 --> 00:35:20,941
absent and I forget to kind of.

1188
00:35:20,941 --> 00:35:22,770
I think.

1189
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:24,477
>> we're all regular members

1190
00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:27,820
tonight so there we go. Um so

1191
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:30,118
we will not have any alternates

1192
00:35:30,118 --> 00:35:31,853
uh, voting tonight. Um, at this

1193
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:33,588
time I would invite you to

1194
00:35:33,588 --> 00:35:34,856
stand and join us as mike kirby

1195
00:35:34,856 --> 00:35:35,856
leads us in the pledge of

1196
00:35:35,856 --> 00:35:38,856
allegiance to the united states

1197
00:35:43,632 --> 00:35:45,632
and texas flags.

1198
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,950
And thank you, mike. It will

1199
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:14,597
now go to item a2. Uh, this is

1200
00:36:14,597 --> 00:36:16,599
the public comments portion of

1201
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,101
our agenda. Uh, this is an

1202
00:36:18,101 --> 00:36:19,235
opportunity for citizens to

1203
00:36:19,235 --> 00:36:20,736
address the planning and zoning

1204
00:36:20,736 --> 00:36:22,471
commission on matters which are

1205
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:24,107
on the agenda but are not

1206
00:36:24,107 --> 00:36:26,109
scheduled as a public hearing.

1207
00:36:26,109 --> 00:36:26,976
Uh, is there anyone in the

1208
00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:28,478
audience who would like to

1209
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:32,348
speak on an agenda item that is

1210
00:36:32,348 --> 00:36:35,617
not listed as a public hearing?

1211
00:36:35,617 --> 00:36:36,853
Uh, seeing none um, I will go

1212
00:36:36,853 --> 00:36:38,855
ahead and close the public

1213
00:36:38,855 --> 00:36:41,855
comments portion of our agenda

1214
00:36:42,359 --> 00:36:44,594
and we will go to item b1. This

1215
00:36:44,594 --> 00:36:47,970
is approving the minutes of the

1216
00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:49,497
AUGUST 6th, 2026 planning and

1217
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:51,601
zoning commission meeting. I

1218
00:36:51,601 --> 00:36:53,603
move that we approve the

1219
00:36:53,603 --> 00:36:55,606
minutes of the AUGUST 6th 26

1220
00:36:55,606 --> 00:36:57,741
planning and zoning commission

1221
00:36:57,741 --> 00:36:59,710
meeting. I'll second. We got a

1222
00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:02,710
motion from cheryl. Second from

1223
00:37:04,981 --> 00:37:07,981
mike. Any discussion. Okay so

1224
00:37:08,485 --> 00:37:12,850
we'll have a vote. So we're

1225
00:37:12,756 --> 00:37:15,156
moving fast on. She's.

1226
00:37:25,536 --> 00:37:27,504
>> on she's worked.

1227
00:37:27,504 --> 00:37:29,504
And the

1228
00:37:32,243 --> 00:37:35,243
motion passes 7 to 0. All right

1229
00:37:36,113 --> 00:37:37,882
and we will go to item or c1.

1230
00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:41,482
And I'm going to open the

1231
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,255
public hearing for case zc 20

1232
00:37:44,255 --> 00:37:45,757
6-0172 and we'll have clayton

1233
00:37:45,757 --> 00:37:49,357
has been come and present the

1234
00:37:49,494 --> 00:37:50,361
item to us. Thank you MR.

1235
00:37:50,361 --> 00:37:52,130
Chair. Good evening. Commission

1236
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:53,631
uh this uh first application

1237
00:37:53,631 --> 00:37:55,633
tonight is a zoning change.

1238
00:37:55,633 --> 00:37:57,869
Request uh, from agricultural

1239
00:37:57,869 --> 00:38:01,139
to r-1 single family. Uh, this

1240
00:38:01,139 --> 00:38:01,873
is 1.92 acres at 7412 bercy

1241
00:38:01,873 --> 00:38:03,608
road. Uh.

1242
00:38:03,608 --> 00:38:05,110
>> this property is located on

1243
00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:07,612
the south side of bercy road,

1244
00:38:07,612 --> 00:38:10,115
uh, just east of london dairy

1245
00:38:10,115 --> 00:38:11,116
uh, valley drive intersection.

1246
00:38:11,116 --> 00:38:13,180
Uh, here on the south side of

1247
00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:14,486
the road. Uh a little.

1248
00:38:14,486 --> 00:38:15,620
>> bit closer view of that

1249
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:17,255
property uh, this almost two

1250
00:38:17,255 --> 00:38:18,156
acre tract of land uh, this map

1251
00:38:18,156 --> 00:38:18,990
shows a house on the property,

1252
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:19,991
but that house and, uh,

1253
00:38:19,991 --> 00:38:21,126
swimming pool have been

1254
00:38:21,126 --> 00:38:22,361
demolished from the site. Uh,

1255
00:38:22,361 --> 00:38:24,129
so the site is currently

1256
00:38:24,129 --> 00:38:24,996
vacant. Uh, but this does show

1257
00:38:24,996 --> 00:38:27,996
the extent of that property

1258
00:38:29,234 --> 00:38:29,768
there at that location. Uh,

1259
00:38:29,768 --> 00:38:30,870
there's just some.

1260
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:32,604
>> views of the property, uh,

1261
00:38:32,604 --> 00:38:34,105
from bercy road. Uh, these are

1262
00:38:34,105 --> 00:38:35,700
google meet google images but

1263
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:36,800
relatively recent. So you can

1264
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,900
see the condition of the

1265
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:38,477
property without the the house

1266
00:38:38,477 --> 00:38:39,745
on the site. And just.

1267
00:38:39,745 --> 00:38:42,145
>> looking back from both

1268
00:38:42,981 --> 00:38:44,250
corners. And this isn't an area

1269
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:45,618
that's designated for low

1270
00:38:45,618 --> 00:38:47,352
density residential uh on the

1271
00:38:47,352 --> 00:38:48,620
land use. Plan uh. You can see

1272
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:50,356
on the right hand side this is

1273
00:38:50,356 --> 00:38:51,623
the zoning map there. So that

1274
00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:52,624
green area, uh, where the

1275
00:38:52,624 --> 00:38:54,627
property is currently zoned

1276
00:38:54,627 --> 00:38:55,260
agricultural uh, it is proposed

1277
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:57,260
for r-1 single.

1278
00:38:57,496 --> 00:38:58,731
>> family. Residential uh, for

1279
00:38:58,731 --> 00:39:00,132
comparison purposes. Uh, the

1280
00:39:00,132 --> 00:39:01,367
lots here to the east on the

1281
00:39:01,367 --> 00:39:03,636
south side of bercy road. Those

1282
00:39:03,636 --> 00:39:05,371
are all zoned r1 residential uh

1283
00:39:05,371 --> 00:39:06,504
as is the the the londonderry.

1284
00:39:06,504 --> 00:39:07,740
Edition uh.

1285
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:09,700
>> the other properties here to

1286
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:10,900
the south and kind of to the

1287
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,609
northeast of that are all zoned

1288
00:39:14,614 --> 00:39:15,882
r-2. As the applicant is here

1289
00:39:15,882 --> 00:39:16,750
this evening to address the

1290
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:17,750
commission and then we'll

1291
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:18,251
follow up with additional

1292
00:39:18,251 --> 00:39:19,485
information and.

1293
00:39:19,485 --> 00:39:21,485
Recommendations following that.

1294
00:39:21,988 --> 00:39:24,988
Thank you. Clayton. Yes, sir.

1295
00:39:24,991 --> 00:39:26,259
Uh, MR. Ricks, if you will

1296
00:39:26,259 --> 00:39:27,760
state your name and address for

1297
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,261
the record and. We'll hear what

1298
00:39:29,261 --> 00:39:30,363
you have to say. Uh, greg

1299
00:39:30,363 --> 00:39:32,763
ricks, uh, you're my.

1300
00:39:32,865 --> 00:39:33,332
>> home address for 1880. 802

1301
00:39:33,332 --> 00:39:35,332
queens. Court.

1302
00:39:37,504 --> 00:39:39,504
>> college station. Texas

1303
00:39:42,242 --> 00:39:44,511
77845. And then, uh, what do we

1304
00:39:44,511 --> 00:39:46,380
got going on tonight? So I know

1305
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:47,747
he he gave his but you get the

1306
00:39:47,747 --> 00:39:48,615
chance to tell your, uh.

1307
00:39:48,615 --> 00:39:48,981
>> you know, I've got. This

1308
00:39:48,981 --> 00:39:50,117
property.

1309
00:39:50,117 --> 00:39:52,117
>> that surrounded. By

1310
00:39:53,887 --> 00:39:56,287
residential. Uh, property. Is

1311
00:39:56,622 --> 00:39:57,991
uh. Zoned residential and uh, I

1312
00:39:57,991 --> 00:40:00,761
want to put a house on it. I

1313
00:40:00,761 --> 00:40:02,362
know I raised pigs. You want to

1314
00:40:02,362 --> 00:40:03,363
put a house on it to it now I

1315
00:40:03,363 --> 00:40:04,998
don't want to. Oh, you don't

1316
00:40:04,998 --> 00:40:06,367
want it? Oh, for the ag yeah.

1317
00:40:06,367 --> 00:40:08,736
You said you did want to raise

1318
00:40:08,736 --> 00:40:09,903
pigs. I know we we've been

1319
00:40:09,903 --> 00:40:13,373
chickens but I don't know if we

1320
00:40:13,373 --> 00:40:14,875
did pigs in town but um. So so

1321
00:40:14,875 --> 00:40:15,876
y'all want to put a house there

1322
00:40:15,876 --> 00:40:17,144
and they say you get it? Yeah,

1323
00:40:17,144 --> 00:40:19,647
I zone it to plan it. I brought

1324
00:40:19,647 --> 00:40:22,250
my plans just in case. Uh, you

1325
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:24,180
want my plans? I mean, it's up

1326
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:25,753
to you if you want to show us

1327
00:40:25,753 --> 00:40:28,256
and otherwise we'll, uh. Yeah.

1328
00:40:28,256 --> 00:40:29,523
>> we'll we'll see if anybody

1329
00:40:29,523 --> 00:40:32,523
does anybody have any questions

1330
00:40:38,633 --> 00:40:42,233
or. Details you want to know?

1331
00:40:44,939 --> 00:40:46,907
All right.

1332
00:40:46,907 --> 00:40:48,141
So this is the house

1333
00:40:48,141 --> 00:40:52,341
y'all are going to put it on

1334
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:57,152
there yeah okay. I wish I knew

1335
00:40:57,152 --> 00:40:58,886
how to read one of these yeah

1336
00:40:58,886 --> 00:41:01,886
because the blueprints but yeah

1337
00:41:02,623 --> 00:41:03,391
that's. That's where there's an

1338
00:41:03,391 --> 00:41:05,791
excellent where it sits.

1339
00:41:07,628 --> 00:41:10,628
>> on the block okay. That's

1340
00:41:11,633 --> 00:41:14,903
probably more of our yeah. So

1341
00:41:14,903 --> 00:41:17,903
you'll have uh all the

1342
00:41:19,141 --> 00:41:20,509
appropriate setbacks and uh,

1343
00:41:20,509 --> 00:41:21,376
all those kind of things I'm

1344
00:41:21,376 --> 00:41:24,380
sure you had to work on. Yeah.

1345
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:26,780
>> so looks beautiful. Thank

1346
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:31,750
you for. Who you are, sir.

1347
00:41:37,625 --> 00:41:38,527
>> thank you. Okay, good. And

1348
00:41:38,527 --> 00:41:39,762
then commissioners, do y'all

1349
00:41:39,762 --> 00:41:42,762
have any other questions for

1350
00:41:43,132 --> 00:41:45,267
MR. Riggs? Tell me no. Once we

1351
00:41:45,267 --> 00:41:46,902
change it then you can't call

1352
00:41:46,902 --> 00:41:50,502
ag land or anything like that.

1353
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,141
>> you know. I know that you.

1354
00:41:52,141 --> 00:41:53,909
All right? Well. Thank you.

1355
00:41:53,909 --> 00:41:54,877
Hang tight. If there are any

1356
00:41:54,877 --> 00:41:56,646
questions we'll we'll ask

1357
00:41:56,646 --> 00:41:57,880
about, uh, clayton hill will

1358
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,150
come up and kind of talk with

1359
00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:00,516
this a little more and then

1360
00:42:00,516 --> 00:42:01,784
we'll we'll be able to get our

1361
00:42:01,784 --> 00:42:02,840
vote on the the zoning change.

1362
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,653
Great.

1363
00:42:03,653 --> 00:42:06,530
>> thanks. Thank you I

1364
00:42:07,523 --> 00:42:08,391
appreciate you. Yes sir.

1365
00:42:08,391 --> 00:42:09,892
>> excuse me.

1366
00:42:09,892 --> 00:42:11,626
>> sir, just to summarize, uh,

1367
00:42:11,626 --> 00:42:13,396
1.92 acres currently zoned

1368
00:42:13,396 --> 00:42:15,632
agricultural being proposed for

1369
00:42:15,632 --> 00:42:17,000
r-1. Single family. Um, this is

1370
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,401
essentially a you'll we see

1371
00:42:18,401 --> 00:42:19,636
this a lot uh, with older

1372
00:42:19,636 --> 00:42:21,137
properties that are still zoned

1373
00:42:21,137 --> 00:42:22,906
agricultural uh, that might be

1374
00:42:22,906 --> 00:42:23,873
proposed for development, uh,

1375
00:42:23,873 --> 00:42:24,774
oftentimes residential

1376
00:42:24,774 --> 00:42:26,410
development. Um.

1377
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:27,644
>> there's a couple of things

1378
00:42:27,644 --> 00:42:29,144
that come into play there. Um,

1379
00:42:29,144 --> 00:42:30,647
uh, the agricultural district

1380
00:42:30,647 --> 00:42:31,881
oddly enough doesn't permit

1381
00:42:31,881 --> 00:42:33,881
single family. Residential

1382
00:42:33,883 --> 00:42:35,180
uses. Um, so zoning change is

1383
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:35,885
necessary in order to be able

1384
00:42:35,885 --> 00:42:37,654
to construct a house on a

1385
00:42:37,654 --> 00:42:38,889
property. Um, and that zoning

1386
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,123
changes also usually required

1387
00:42:40,123 --> 00:42:41,391
because uh, the property would

1388
00:42:41,391 --> 00:42:43,626
need to be platted, which this

1389
00:42:43,626 --> 00:42:44,895
one will as well. Um, and uh,

1390
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:45,629
this lot would not meet the

1391
00:42:45,629 --> 00:42:47,130
agricultural district

1392
00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:49,400
requirements. Um, so by

1393
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,767
rezoning to r-1 uh, that uh

1394
00:42:50,767 --> 00:42:51,635
allows for the planning of the

1395
00:42:51,635 --> 00:42:52,770
property would allow for this

1396
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:54,270
middle of a building permit for

1397
00:42:54,270 --> 00:42:57,700
us to review um and certainly

1398
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:57,508
the the setbacks are much more

1399
00:42:57,508 --> 00:42:58,142
generous in r-1.

1400
00:42:58,142 --> 00:42:59,877
>> than they are.

1401
00:42:59,877 --> 00:43:00,878
>> in agricultural. Um, so this

1402
00:43:00,878 --> 00:43:02,513
is a pretty common process we

1403
00:43:02,513 --> 00:43:04,281
see. But it's a necessary. Step

1404
00:43:04,281 --> 00:43:05,883
often for, uh, people to be

1405
00:43:05,883 --> 00:43:07,170
able to develop. Uh, a house on

1406
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:08,152
the property. Is to go through

1407
00:43:08,152 --> 00:43:09,386
these two steps. Um, so.

1408
00:43:09,386 --> 00:43:11,155
>> that's what this one is. Uh,

1409
00:43:11,155 --> 00:43:12,656
it is recommended for approval.

1410
00:43:12,656 --> 00:43:13,390
Um, and following your action,

1411
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:15,259
city council will see this.

1412
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:16,660
>> on SEPTEMBER the 14th. Um,

1413
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:17,627
so we are happy to answer any

1414
00:43:17,627 --> 00:43:18,629
questions and the applicant's

1415
00:43:18,629 --> 00:43:19,529
available if there's any more

1416
00:43:19,529 --> 00:43:22,400
detailed questions that need to

1417
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,901
be addressed. And like you said

1418
00:43:23,901 --> 00:43:26,137
this is something that I know

1419
00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:27,505
we see at. Least up here right.

1420
00:43:27,505 --> 00:43:28,639
We'll see it from time to time.

1421
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:30,141
But I know the first time I saw

1422
00:43:30,141 --> 00:43:31,642
it it seemed kind of funny that

1423
00:43:31,642 --> 00:43:33,277
you know, we have farmland in

1424
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:34,779
the middle of of town or

1425
00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:37,281
something. You know that it's

1426
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:38,783
my understanding as as the city

1427
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,183
kind of incorporated more

1428
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,522
areas. We we left that ag as a

1429
00:43:44,522 --> 00:43:45,757
placeholder there until we

1430
00:43:45,757 --> 00:43:47,525
figured out what the land use

1431
00:43:47,525 --> 00:43:49,260
is going to be around it, which

1432
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:50,528
r-1 is what we've done with

1433
00:43:50,528 --> 00:43:52,130
with the surrounding area and

1434
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:53,898
as they come up then we rezone

1435
00:43:53,898 --> 00:43:54,398
it and. Allow people to

1436
00:43:54,398 --> 00:43:55,500
develop. Yeah.

1437
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:56,634
>> that's absolutely correct.

1438
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:57,902
Uh, when the properties get

1439
00:43:57,902 --> 00:43:59,137
annexed into the city uh, when

1440
00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:00,639
that was taking place, uh the

1441
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,640
default zoning that was applied

1442
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,900
was agricultural. And a lot of

1443
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:05,377
that was just to leave it in

1444
00:44:05,377 --> 00:44:07,379
that holding pattern until uh,

1445
00:44:07,379 --> 00:44:08,647
if you think back to the 1960s

1446
00:44:08,647 --> 00:44:10,782
when a lot of properties are

1447
00:44:10,782 --> 00:44:11,649
annexed, nobody knew what the

1448
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:12,651
north part of the city would

1449
00:44:12,651 --> 00:44:15,153
look like. So they didn't want

1450
00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:16,388
to presume zoning in place of

1451
00:44:16,388 --> 00:44:17,890
something else that lifted

1452
00:44:17,890 --> 00:44:19,390
agricultural. Um, so that way

1453
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:20,125
the market kind of determines

1454
00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:22,125
what happens development

1455
00:44:22,895 --> 00:44:23,896
patterns establish. And uh in

1456
00:44:23,896 --> 00:44:25,397
this area certainly residential

1457
00:44:25,397 --> 00:44:26,765
has become the predominant uh

1458
00:44:26,765 --> 00:44:28,534
development pattern. Uh, so

1459
00:44:28,534 --> 00:44:29,768
then it becomes a matter of

1460
00:44:29,768 --> 00:44:30,903
choice on which zoning district

1461
00:44:30,903 --> 00:44:32,270
will be appropriate for the

1462
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:33,271
given property. And that's what

1463
00:44:33,271 --> 00:44:34,600
was chosen in this particular

1464
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:34,773
case. Okay.

1465
00:44:34,773 --> 00:44:36,275
>> so this is one.

1466
00:44:36,275 --> 00:44:37,509
>> of those last of last

1467
00:44:37,509 --> 00:44:38,777
holdovers of uh agricultural

1468
00:44:38,777 --> 00:44:40,379
property on this side of the

1469
00:44:40,379 --> 00:44:41,647
street, uh, to be rezoned.

1470
00:44:41,647 --> 00:44:42,882
Ultimately you would say that

1471
00:44:42,882 --> 00:44:43,883
north vernon hills not have any

1472
00:44:43,883 --> 00:44:44,650
agriculturally zoned properties

1473
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:46,151
because everything else would

1474
00:44:46,151 --> 00:44:46,652
be in a in a district that's

1475
00:44:46,652 --> 00:44:48,521
appropriate for.

1476
00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:50,256
>> the. Development on site.

1477
00:44:50,256 --> 00:44:53,250
But that MAY be long after I

1478
00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:54,760
retire. So you're. Any other

1479
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,760
questions for clayton or the

1480
00:44:57,763 --> 00:44:59,398
applicant? No.

1481
00:44:59,398 --> 00:45:01,798
>> all right. Thank you.

1482
00:45:03,136 --> 00:45:06,136
Clayton, uh, the public hearing

1483
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:08,907
is open for case zc 20 6-0172.

1484
00:45:08,907 --> 00:45:11,144
Is there anyone that would like

1485
00:45:11,144 --> 00:45:12,778
to speak on the item you MAY

1486
00:45:12,778 --> 00:45:16,978
come forward or do we have any

1487
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:19,886
cards not for that one. So um

1488
00:45:19,886 --> 00:45:22,889
all right so if we don't have

1489
00:45:22,889 --> 00:45:26,126
anybody for that one then I

1490
00:45:26,126 --> 00:45:28,895
will close the public hearing

1491
00:45:28,895 --> 00:45:30,130
for this case and commissioners

1492
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:31,398
before I ask for a motion, do

1493
00:45:31,398 --> 00:45:33,133
you have any clarifying

1494
00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:36,133
questions or requests for more

1495
00:45:36,269 --> 00:45:39,269
information? All right. So I

1496
00:45:39,506 --> 00:45:42,900
will call for a motion on zc 20

1497
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,609
6-0172. Make a motion that we.

1498
00:45:47,513 --> 00:45:49,913
Approve zc. 20 6-0172..Second

1499
00:45:50,784 --> 00:45:54,200
right motion from kyle a second

1500
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,390
from cheryl. Do we have any

1501
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:59,390
discussion? Yeah I'll.

1502
00:46:04,298 --> 00:46:05,532
>> call for a vote.

1503
00:46:05,532 --> 00:46:07,330
All right.

1504
00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:09,433
And that recommendation for

1505
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:12,772
approval passes 7 to 0 and uh

1506
00:46:12,772 --> 00:46:15,276
will be uh before the city

1507
00:46:15,276 --> 00:46:18,276
council on SEPTEMBER 14th. So

1508
00:46:19,146 --> 00:46:21,148
thank you very much, MR. Ricks.

1509
00:46:21,148 --> 00:46:23,651
All right, now we'll go to item

1510
00:46:23,651 --> 00:46:27,251
c2. Uh, will be opening the

1511
00:46:28,656 --> 00:46:30,391
public hearing for case zc 20

1512
00:46:30,391 --> 00:46:32,160
6-0173 and we'll have clayton

1513
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,393
back to introduce the item to

1514
00:46:33,393 --> 00:46:34,762
us. Thank you sir.

1515
00:46:34,762 --> 00:46:36,264
>> uh, this uh next request is

1516
00:46:36,264 --> 00:46:38,533
a special development plan for

1517
00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:40,501
a winery. Uh, more specifically

1518
00:46:40,501 --> 00:46:41,770
and meadery uh, this is on a

1519
00:46:41,770 --> 00:46:44,170
property that's, uh, 8.3 acres

1520
00:46:44,272 --> 00:46:46,774
in size, uh, in a building an

1521
00:46:46,774 --> 00:46:48,420
8204 northeast parkway. Uh, so

1522
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:49,277
the area highlighted in green

1523
00:46:49,277 --> 00:46:51,120
is the entire tract of land,

1524
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,513
uh, associated with this, uh,

1525
00:46:52,513 --> 00:46:53,782
application. Um, but the

1526
00:46:53,782 --> 00:46:55,160
application itself is really

1527
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,284
subject to a smaller portion of

1528
00:46:56,284 --> 00:46:58,200
the building here located 82

1529
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,754
a4. Uh, so just for context,

1530
00:46:59,754 --> 00:47:01,890
uh, davis boulevard uh, here on

1531
00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:03,390
the west side of the site uh

1532
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:05,392
adjacent to the uh tex rail

1533
00:47:05,392 --> 00:47:08,530
line, uh and just north of main

1534
00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:09,764
street. Uh, in that area there.

1535
00:47:09,764 --> 00:47:11,266
A little bit closer.

1536
00:47:11,266 --> 00:47:12,267
>> view of the site as you can

1537
00:47:12,267 --> 00:47:13,634
see uh a little bit better

1538
00:47:13,634 --> 00:47:15,270
context. Uh, here's the eight

1539
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:16,905
acre. Property uh, the site

1540
00:47:16,905 --> 00:47:17,672
that's uh, will be part of the

1541
00:47:17,672 --> 00:47:19,700
application that the applicant

1542
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:19,274
will explain the. Operations

1543
00:47:19,274 --> 00:47:21,430
uh.

1544
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:23,145
>> here where the star areas in

1545
00:47:23,145 --> 00:47:24,580
uh suite in that area there.

1546
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:25,647
Uh, so this is in the northern

1547
00:47:25,647 --> 00:47:27,383
portion of the todd uh,

1548
00:47:27,383 --> 00:47:29,150
smithfield todd and you can see

1549
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:31,152
some of the mix of uses in this

1550
00:47:31,152 --> 00:47:32,655
area uh some newish some

1551
00:47:32,655 --> 00:47:34,155
existing prior to that, uh, and

1552
00:47:34,155 --> 00:47:36,892
then across davis boulevard, uh

1553
00:47:36,892 --> 00:47:38,892
smithfield elementary school.

1554
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,295
Um, so. Looking if you. Turn on

1555
00:47:39,295 --> 00:47:40,290
to.

1556
00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:40,896
>> davis boulevard or.

1557
00:47:40,896 --> 00:47:41,897
>> northeast park we. Have

1558
00:47:41,897 --> 00:47:43,265
davis boulevard looking back

1559
00:47:43,265 --> 00:47:44,767
that direction, uh you can see

1560
00:47:44,767 --> 00:47:45,534
the uh uh commercial area on

1561
00:47:45,534 --> 00:47:48,137
the south side residential on.

1562
00:47:48,137 --> 00:47:49,380
>> the north and then as you

1563
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:50,640
turn. Uh, off. Northeast

1564
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,275
parkway into the site uh, this

1565
00:47:53,275 --> 00:47:54,410
is the building at 8204 and

1566
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:55,778
then down at the end of that

1567
00:47:55,778 --> 00:47:56,780
building is suite 124, which is

1568
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:59,180
what the application is.

1569
00:48:00,515 --> 00:48:01,284
Associated with. Uh, if you

1570
00:48:01,284 --> 00:48:02,518
turn back. Looking north.

1571
00:48:02,518 --> 00:48:04,518
>> towards. Northeast parkway.

1572
00:48:04,653 --> 00:48:06,155
Uh, 300 or so feet up a uh up

1573
00:48:06,155 --> 00:48:08,391
the property uh northeast

1574
00:48:08,391 --> 00:48:09,659
parkways there uh on at the end

1575
00:48:09,659 --> 00:48:10,392
of that building and if you

1576
00:48:10,392 --> 00:48:11,160
turn around the other way

1577
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,262
there's some adjacent

1578
00:48:12,262 --> 00:48:13,529
commercial property. Uh.

1579
00:48:13,529 --> 00:48:17,129
>> just to the south of that

1580
00:48:17,401 --> 00:48:18,802
site. Uh, this.

1581
00:48:18,802 --> 00:48:20,350
>> is an area designated uh.

1582
00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:21,638
>> as urban. Village on the

1583
00:48:21,638 --> 00:48:24,700
land use plan. Uh, this is uh,

1584
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:25,141
about a 200 plus acre area. Uh,

1585
00:48:25,141 --> 00:48:26,410
I'll cover more of that in the

1586
00:48:26,410 --> 00:48:28,645
staff report. Uh, for the tod

1587
00:48:28,645 --> 00:48:29,780
for uh, smithfield area. Uh and

1588
00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:31,148
the zoning on the right hand

1589
00:48:31,148 --> 00:48:32,415
side, you see, is a, uh, this

1590
00:48:32,415 --> 00:48:34,151
kind of bluish color, darker

1591
00:48:34,151 --> 00:48:35,152
grayish color, uh, is the

1592
00:48:35,152 --> 00:48:36,653
transit oriented development

1593
00:48:36,653 --> 00:48:37,287
district associated with

1594
00:48:37,287 --> 00:48:38,422
smithfield, uh.

1595
00:48:38,422 --> 00:48:39,656
>> and you. Can see some

1596
00:48:39,656 --> 00:48:41,291
adjacent to other zoning in

1597
00:48:41,291 --> 00:48:42,559
that area. Uh, this is just.

1598
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:43,927
For a special development plan

1599
00:48:43,927 --> 00:48:45,562
for the for the winery meadery.

1600
00:48:45,562 --> 00:48:46,964
Uh, this is uh does not change

1601
00:48:46,964 --> 00:48:47,664
the zoning of the property.

1602
00:48:47,664 --> 00:48:48,398
>> this would just. Be

1603
00:48:48,398 --> 00:48:48,766
considered for authorization of

1604
00:48:48,766 --> 00:48:50,766
this use.

1605
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:53,804
>> at this site. And with that,

1606
00:48:53,804 --> 00:48:55,390
the. Applicant is here this

1607
00:48:55,390 --> 00:48:56,400
evening, uh, to make a

1608
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,541
presentation, uh, and discuss

1609
00:48:57,541 --> 00:48:59,420
the, uh, project with the.

1610
00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:59,910
Commission uh, when uh, the

1611
00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:01,378
y'all are complete with that

1612
00:49:01,378 --> 00:49:02,179
will follow up additional.

1613
00:49:02,179 --> 00:49:04,179
>> information staff report.

1614
00:49:05,915 --> 00:49:08,419
All right. Thank you sir, have

1615
00:49:08,419 --> 00:49:09,420
the applicant come forward your

1616
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:12,420
name and address for the

1617
00:49:13,424 --> 00:49:14,926
record. Good evening. Uh, my

1618
00:49:14,926 --> 00:49:17,662
name is corey smith. Uh, my

1619
00:49:17,662 --> 00:49:19,163
home address is. 6544 wakefield

1620
00:49:19,163 --> 00:49:21,563
road, uh, here in

1621
00:49:22,166 --> 00:49:24,566
north richland. Hills, texas.

1622
00:49:27,405 --> 00:49:30,405
76182. And, um, I'm I'm just

1623
00:49:30,674 --> 00:49:32,410
here to present. Uh uh I'm

1624
00:49:32,410 --> 00:49:34,546
probably over prepared for this

1625
00:49:34,546 --> 00:49:37,549
but uh, best to do. That and

1626
00:49:37,549 --> 00:49:37,915
otherwise. Um so I want to

1627
00:49:37,915 --> 00:49:39,915
start a.

1628
00:49:40,151 --> 00:49:43,151
>> small. Matter here in town.

1629
00:49:46,658 --> 00:49:47,925
Um uh mead is uh um it's uh.

1630
00:49:47,925 --> 00:49:49,270
Fermented beverage, um.

1631
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:52,270
>> kind. Of like wine. Instead

1632
00:49:52,796 --> 00:49:55,533
of grapes I use honey. Um, and

1633
00:49:55,533 --> 00:49:57,350
I'm proposing, uh. That I be

1634
00:49:57,350 --> 00:49:59,435
allowed to manufacture and

1635
00:50:00,539 --> 00:50:00,906
bottle. Uh, small batch. Mead

1636
00:50:00,906 --> 00:50:02,906
on site.

1637
00:50:03,408 --> 00:50:05,677
>> uh um it's. Uh.

1638
00:50:05,677 --> 00:50:07,677
>> approximately 1200 square

1639
00:50:08,146 --> 00:50:09,414
foot space. I'll be using.

1640
00:50:09,414 --> 00:50:11,183
600ft of it for the

1641
00:50:11,183 --> 00:50:12,651
manufacture. Uh. The

1642
00:50:12,651 --> 00:50:14,920
manufacturing portion the other

1643
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,155
half is. An office just where I

1644
00:50:17,155 --> 00:50:18,424
plan to do administrative

1645
00:50:18,424 --> 00:50:20,590
tasks. Um, so.

1646
00:50:20,590 --> 00:50:21,260
>> the, uh the manufacturing

1647
00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:23,426
site in question is.

1648
00:50:23,796 --> 00:50:25,531
Approximately 600ft total. Um,

1649
00:50:25,531 --> 00:50:27,330
I'm just. Asking to work with

1650
00:50:27,330 --> 00:50:28,330
the city and obviously the

1651
00:50:28,330 --> 00:50:30,302
state and federal government.

1652
00:50:30,302 --> 00:50:33,773
To allow, uh. Me to participate

1653
00:50:33,773 --> 00:50:35,408
and to manufacture. Um uh I

1654
00:50:35,408 --> 00:50:36,776
will. Try to be as brief as

1655
00:50:36,776 --> 00:50:38,544
possible. Um as as.

1656
00:50:38,544 --> 00:50:41,280
>> I stated, the product is

1657
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,782
mead fermented honey, uh, water

1658
00:50:43,782 --> 00:50:46,520
and yeast. Um will. Be made in.

1659
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:46,385
Small batches less than. 12

1660
00:50:46,385 --> 00:50:46,853
gallons.

1661
00:50:46,853 --> 00:50:48,853
>> per. Batch.

1662
00:50:49,554 --> 00:50:51,570
>> um, with a. Scale

1663
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:53,793
appropriate to the size of the

1664
00:50:53,793 --> 00:50:56,793
building. Um, I'm not looking

1665
00:50:57,530 --> 00:51:00,300
to. Grow beyond um. Uh, you

1666
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,350
know, to uh, be the next miller

1667
00:51:03,350 --> 00:51:06,390
or anything like that. But uh

1668
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:06,473
um, just to engage in

1669
00:51:06,473 --> 00:51:08,473
manufacturing.

1670
00:51:09,175 --> 00:51:11,411
>> a small. Scale, um.

1671
00:51:11,411 --> 00:51:12,912
Manufacturer and bottling. No

1672
00:51:12,912 --> 00:51:14,912
taproom? Um.

1673
00:51:15,914 --> 00:51:18,314
>> no on-site consumption other

1674
00:51:19,419 --> 00:51:21,922
than uh uh. What is allowed by

1675
00:51:21,922 --> 00:51:23,924
the city and. Tabc known as

1676
00:51:23,924 --> 00:51:24,925
tastings. But even the majority

1677
00:51:24,925 --> 00:51:25,425
of those I plan to. Have

1678
00:51:25,425 --> 00:51:27,425
offsite because.

1679
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,630
>> the facility is itself, as

1680
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:32,463
you've seen, rather industrial.

1681
00:51:32,566 --> 00:51:33,800
Um, and I find that. Going to

1682
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,803
another winery and hosting.

1683
00:51:35,803 --> 00:51:39,720
These sort of tastings would be

1684
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,740
more to my benefit anyway. Um,

1685
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:44,760
I plan. To market to local

1686
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:44,445
businesses. First um,

1687
00:51:44,445 --> 00:51:46,445
spreading.

1688
00:51:46,814 --> 00:51:50,584
>> out from there as as. Uh it

1689
00:51:50,584 --> 00:51:52,319
takes root. Um but. Really

1690
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:54,880
participating in the.

1691
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,690
>> local economy as much as

1692
00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:57,324
possible um. Purchasing from.

1693
00:51:57,324 --> 00:51:59,724
>> local. Food markets. Um.

1694
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,829
>> the fruits, the honey. Uh

1695
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:03,464
any herbs that I use uh.

1696
00:52:03,464 --> 00:52:05,864
>> would. Be purchased locally

1697
00:52:07,835 --> 00:52:09,203
first. Um, and I.

1698
00:52:09,203 --> 00:52:10,837
>> I don't want to really grow

1699
00:52:10,837 --> 00:52:14,750
beyond the city that I live in

1700
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:15,576
anyway. Um, I live. Here my. My

1701
00:52:15,576 --> 00:52:18,312
daughter. Goes to school here

1702
00:52:18,312 --> 00:52:19,714
and. I'm, uh.

1703
00:52:19,714 --> 00:52:22,950
>> I want to do business here

1704
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:26,186
as well. Um, a conceptual. Look

1705
00:52:26,186 --> 00:52:28,890
at the space. This is just the

1706
00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:30,489
600 square foot warehouse. Uh,

1707
00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:33,459
site, um. Approximately 120ft

1708
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:36,230
for a cooler fermentation room.

1709
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:38,466
Um, I will have, uh.

1710
00:52:38,466 --> 00:52:41,466
>> at the very beginning only

1711
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:44,370
four individual. Fermenters uh,

1712
00:52:44,472 --> 00:52:45,974
sized at 15 gallons, um, to.

1713
00:52:45,974 --> 00:52:49,574
Account for head space above my

1714
00:52:49,844 --> 00:52:51,346
12. Gallon, um batch size. Uh,

1715
00:52:51,346 --> 00:52:53,114
the rest of the. Site will be

1716
00:52:53,114 --> 00:52:55,514
used for bottling. Packaging

1717
00:52:58,587 --> 00:53:00,856
and dry storage. Um I have

1718
00:53:00,856 --> 00:53:04,456
given the process. That I use.

1719
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:06,995
To for uh for production. Um,

1720
00:53:06,995 --> 00:53:08,960
not sure. How many of you.

1721
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,464
>> might be interested in this.

1722
00:53:09,464 --> 00:53:12,233
I'd be happy to talk about it

1723
00:53:12,233 --> 00:53:15,833
at great length should you be

1724
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:19,975
willing to do so. Um, my.

1725
00:53:19,975 --> 00:53:20,743
Intended start. My intended.

1726
00:53:20,743 --> 00:53:22,743
Production start is

1727
00:53:23,245 --> 00:53:24,613
approximately 1220. Gallons per

1728
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:26,613
quarter. Um, for.

1729
00:53:26,615 --> 00:53:29,117
>> the first two quarters of

1730
00:53:29,117 --> 00:53:32,117
operation. That's to allow me

1731
00:53:32,354 --> 00:53:34,857
to. Properly size my recipe.

1732
00:53:34,857 --> 00:53:38,940
Scale everything up. As, uh, as

1733
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:40,960
need be. Um. In preparation for

1734
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,864
our first production. Runs by

1735
00:53:41,864 --> 00:53:43,366
my. Third quarter I plan to be.

1736
00:53:43,366 --> 00:53:44,367
Making approximately 40 gallons

1737
00:53:44,367 --> 00:53:45,501
per. Quarter and.

1738
00:53:45,501 --> 00:53:47,737
>> that should persist for

1739
00:53:47,737 --> 00:53:50,473
about the. Next five quarters.

1740
00:53:50,473 --> 00:53:53,476
Um and then beyond that I, I

1741
00:53:53,476 --> 00:53:54,977
have not. Gotten a solid

1742
00:53:54,977 --> 00:53:56,746
business plan in place for

1743
00:53:56,746 --> 00:53:57,713
beyond that I'm just looking to

1744
00:53:57,713 --> 00:53:59,248
open the. Doors and get

1745
00:53:59,248 --> 00:54:00,984
started. Um.

1746
00:54:00,984 --> 00:54:03,984
>> I do believe the facility

1747
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:05,989
could scale to. Uh, 150.

1748
00:54:05,989 --> 00:54:08,224
>> to 200 gallons per. Quarter.

1749
00:54:08,224 --> 00:54:09,726
>> but that would be the top

1750
00:54:09,726 --> 00:54:10,994
end for me anyway. If I'm

1751
00:54:10,994 --> 00:54:11,428
making. That much I need to

1752
00:54:11,428 --> 00:54:13,428
look into a.

1753
00:54:13,596 --> 00:54:13,863
>> new a new bigger facility.

1754
00:54:13,863 --> 00:54:15,863
Um.

1755
00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:22,606
>> so my operations. From the.

1756
00:54:22,606 --> 00:54:25,606
>> very beginning I um I'm

1757
00:54:26,110 --> 00:54:28,510
super. Focused on preventing

1758
00:54:28,612 --> 00:54:31,120
waste uh, preventing. Water

1759
00:54:33,116 --> 00:54:34,751
waste especially. Um my.

1760
00:54:34,751 --> 00:54:37,720
Fermentation process uses a lot

1761
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,320
of water. Um, so I already

1762
00:54:41,992 --> 00:54:44,392
have, um. Operational processes

1763
00:54:44,395 --> 00:54:45,361
in place to. Support.

1764
00:54:45,361 --> 00:54:47,361
>> um.

1765
00:54:47,865 --> 00:54:49,999
>> safe water consumption at.

1766
00:54:49,999 --> 00:54:51,969
>> the facility., uh, along.

1767
00:54:51,969 --> 00:54:53,603
With uh, compliance. With

1768
00:54:53,603 --> 00:54:55,373
environmental standards, uh,

1769
00:54:55,373 --> 00:54:57,107
above and beyond exceeding

1770
00:54:57,107 --> 00:54:59,107
city. Uh environmental

1771
00:55:00,111 --> 00:55:02,511
standards. And restraints. Um

1772
00:55:03,114 --> 00:55:06,714
and I. Want to reiterate that

1773
00:55:07,351 --> 00:55:10,351
the facility has nearly zero

1774
00:55:10,621 --> 00:55:12,623
flat plan. Foot traffic. Um

1775
00:55:12,623 --> 00:55:14,623
there's. Zero on-site

1776
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:17,462
consumption. Um any. Sale on

1777
00:55:17,462 --> 00:55:19,462
premises.

1778
00:55:19,997 --> 00:55:22,500
>> would be. By the bottle. And

1779
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,502
in a bag or box and to be.

1780
00:55:24,502 --> 00:55:26,371
Carried off site I expect that

1781
00:55:26,371 --> 00:55:28,771
to be less than 5%.

1782
00:55:29,107 --> 00:55:30,108
>> of. My total sales, the

1783
00:55:30,108 --> 00:55:33,108
majority of my. Sales coming

1784
00:55:34,112 --> 00:55:37,115
from keg. Sales to local bars.

1785
00:55:37,115 --> 00:55:40,352
Um other wineries. Um and uh

1786
00:55:40,352 --> 00:55:43,221
going out to. Events uh. Rent

1787
00:55:43,221 --> 00:55:47,421
fairs and the like. Um here in

1788
00:55:49,494 --> 00:55:50,729
texas. Um I. I understand what

1789
00:55:50,729 --> 00:55:52,597
kind of business I'm getting

1790
00:55:52,597 --> 00:55:55,100
into. And the. Resistance that.

1791
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,602
>> that might bring. Um, but I

1792
00:55:57,602 --> 00:56:00,105
want to. Assure everyone here

1793
00:56:00,105 --> 00:56:01,874
that I intend to comply. With

1794
00:56:01,874 --> 00:56:04,109
all of the layers of government

1795
00:56:04,109 --> 00:56:06,612
that, uh. Weigh upon me. With a

1796
00:56:06,612 --> 00:56:08,347
business like this. So, um. I

1797
00:56:08,347 --> 00:56:10,347
urge you. Uh.

1798
00:56:10,983 --> 00:56:14,583
>> to please feel free to ask.

1799
00:56:15,221 --> 00:56:16,221
>> any questions. Um, I'm ready

1800
00:56:16,221 --> 00:56:18,221
somewhat. And.

1801
00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:22,900
>> uh, I look forward to your

1802
00:56:24,362 --> 00:56:25,498
feedback. How long does that?

1803
00:56:25,498 --> 00:56:26,866
Well, I can't remember the

1804
00:56:26,866 --> 00:56:29,235
eight steps or so that process

1805
00:56:29,235 --> 00:56:31,504
how long does that take from

1806
00:56:31,504 --> 00:56:33,239
start to finish? So from the.

1807
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:33,873
>> day I first mix the

1808
00:56:33,873 --> 00:56:35,873
ingredients until.

1809
00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:38,377
>> the day I'm bottling. It's

1810
00:56:38,377 --> 00:56:41,377
approximately. Three and a half

1811
00:56:42,115 --> 00:56:45,115
months okay. And you and 20

1812
00:56:45,618 --> 00:56:47,120
gallons uh like I'm trying to

1813
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,855
think scale of like how much

1814
00:56:48,855 --> 00:56:51,858
you're going to have coming out

1815
00:56:51,858 --> 00:56:53,493
of this uh, location but. So.

1816
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:55,128
>> uh, I was going to bring a

1817
00:56:55,128 --> 00:56:56,129
bottle with me, um, just to

1818
00:56:56,129 --> 00:56:57,960
show you the size of my

1819
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,363
bottles. But that doesn't

1820
00:56:58,363 --> 00:57:01,363
really put into perspective how

1821
00:57:01,735 --> 00:57:04,735
big the kegs are. Um, 20

1822
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,108
gallons is. Approximately 100.

1823
00:57:08,108 --> 00:57:11,108
500ml bottles. So think. About

1824
00:57:14,114 --> 00:57:16,350
a, uh about a pint um, or so

1825
00:57:16,350 --> 00:57:18,750
um, about. 100 pints. Okay.

1826
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,621
>> so I mean you're at at 200 a

1827
00:57:21,621 --> 00:57:24,123
quarter we're not having like

1828
00:57:24,123 --> 00:57:27,123
truck truckloads of mead coming

1829
00:57:28,128 --> 00:57:29,362
out and um. I don't intend to I

1830
00:57:29,362 --> 00:57:30,597
don't intend to block the.

1831
00:57:30,597 --> 00:57:32,997
Other residents of this

1832
00:57:36,603 --> 00:57:39,106
commercial park. Um, so, um, I.

1833
00:57:39,106 --> 00:57:42,106
Should be able. To manage

1834
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:44,612
deliveries. Of any inbound like

1835
00:57:44,612 --> 00:57:45,846
bottles, uh, any. Keg

1836
00:57:45,846 --> 00:57:48,246
deliveries. In small box

1837
00:57:50,117 --> 00:57:52,517
trucks? Um. Distribution is

1838
00:57:53,854 --> 00:57:55,490
intended. Um. And they.

1839
00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:59,900
>> you know, I have, uh, a

1840
00:57:59,726 --> 00:58:00,194
small. Lift commercial lift

1841
00:58:00,194 --> 00:58:02,194
style. Door on.

1842
00:58:03,497 --> 00:58:06,497
>> the. Facility, um, and. The

1843
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:10,237
uh. The the. The medium sized

1844
00:58:10,237 --> 00:58:12,106
uh, semis. Uh I think they're

1845
00:58:12,106 --> 00:58:13,607
27 foot. Um, they come back in.

1846
00:58:13,607 --> 00:58:16,607
Pretty easily in that space

1847
00:58:17,111 --> 00:58:18,112
but. Um, I intend no more.

1848
00:58:18,112 --> 00:58:19,113
Obstruction than any of the

1849
00:58:19,113 --> 00:58:20,381
other commercial businesses on

1850
00:58:20,381 --> 00:58:22,381
the property. Okay.

1851
00:58:24,352 --> 00:58:26,354
>> and uh, the tasting portion

1852
00:58:26,354 --> 00:58:27,856
of this. Yeah. And it was like

1853
00:58:27,856 --> 00:58:29,491
you said, it's got a lot a lot

1854
00:58:29,491 --> 00:58:31,226
of feedback on that, but, uh,

1855
00:58:31,226 --> 00:58:33,628
doesn't sound like it's going

1856
00:58:33,628 --> 00:58:35,864
to be, you know, the kind of

1857
00:58:35,864 --> 00:58:37,499
place where uh, the group is

1858
00:58:37,499 --> 00:58:38,733
going to come and hang out on a

1859
00:58:38,733 --> 00:58:40,502
saturday night and drink three

1860
00:58:40,502 --> 00:58:42,104
bottles of mead and. Now.

1861
00:58:42,104 --> 00:58:42,704
>> um, I'll be the first one to

1862
00:58:42,704 --> 00:58:43,604
order them off. Yeah.

1863
00:58:43,604 --> 00:58:45,604
>> um, the.

1864
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:50,109
>> tastings would be. Uh, I

1865
00:58:50,112 --> 00:58:51,880
I'll have to I'll have to. Get

1866
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,350
clear with the tabc guidelines,

1867
00:58:54,350 --> 00:58:56,484
but the tastings must be. Uh,

1868
00:58:56,484 --> 00:59:00,684
it's less than a half an ounce.

1869
00:59:01,223 --> 00:59:01,557
Um, and my abv. Ranges from.

1870
00:59:01,557 --> 00:59:03,557
5.5% to.

1871
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:05,727
>> 19% on the high end. Um, so

1872
00:59:05,727 --> 00:59:08,230
it would be. Comparable with a

1873
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:09,732
wine. Tasting, but, um, I

1874
00:59:09,732 --> 00:59:12,732
don't. Really intend to do.

1875
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:17,506
That on site. Um, unless, um,

1876
00:59:17,506 --> 00:59:19,700
there's some. Specific event

1877
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:20,409
that I'm allowed to do. By

1878
00:59:20,409 --> 00:59:22,809
this. By the council.

1879
00:59:22,878 --> 00:59:24,614
>> and and the city. Um um I've

1880
00:59:24,614 --> 00:59:26,248
already. Set up to do most of

1881
00:59:26,248 --> 00:59:27,984
this stuff off site. I've got a

1882
00:59:27,984 --> 00:59:29,852
friend up in keller that runs a

1883
00:59:29,852 --> 00:59:31,120
winery. Um, and.

1884
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:31,721
>> he's agreed to let me use.

1885
00:59:31,721 --> 00:59:33,721
His his.

1886
00:59:33,856 --> 00:59:34,357
>> room for these events. So.

1887
00:59:34,357 --> 00:59:35,240
>> um.

1888
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,725
>> I'm looking.

1889
00:59:36,725 --> 00:59:37,260
>> to do as much away from

1890
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:39,260
this.

1891
00:59:39,362 --> 00:59:41,631
>> site as possible. It's just

1892
00:59:41,631 --> 00:59:43,631
purely for utilitarian

1893
00:59:44,367 --> 00:59:46,602
purposes. Any other questions

1894
00:59:46,602 --> 00:59:50,106
for the. The applicant that you

1895
00:59:50,106 --> 00:59:51,875
guys have for. Clayton this is.

1896
00:59:51,875 --> 00:59:53,610
The one question I have is how

1897
00:59:53,610 --> 00:59:55,612
many employees will you have at

1898
00:59:55,612 --> 00:59:58,612
this location? One just. Me

1899
00:59:58,615 --> 01:00:02,118
okay. I intend. To have people

1900
01:00:02,118 --> 01:00:05,718
there on site on like bottling

1901
01:00:06,122 --> 01:00:08,859
day. Um there MAY be up to 3 or

1902
01:00:08,859 --> 01:00:11,228
4 people helping. Me on. Just 1

1903
01:00:11,228 --> 01:00:12,729
or 2 days over a weekend. Um,

1904
01:00:12,729 --> 01:00:14,731
the weekend. Traffic at this

1905
01:00:14,731 --> 01:00:15,432
facility is already light. Most

1906
01:00:15,432 --> 01:00:17,432
of. These businesses.

1907
01:00:17,734 --> 01:00:20,134
>> are monday through friday.

1908
01:00:21,505 --> 01:00:24,241
Um I have. Two allocated

1909
01:00:24,241 --> 01:00:25,609
parking spaces. On the site.

1910
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:28,879
And I don't intend to go beyond

1911
01:00:28,879 --> 01:00:31,115
that. If we place.

1912
01:00:31,115 --> 01:00:33,351
>> a condition that any kind of

1913
01:00:33,351 --> 01:00:34,618
testing light anything that's

1914
01:00:34,618 --> 01:00:37,354
beyond just like the occasional

1915
01:00:37,354 --> 01:00:39,256
one will not occur on the site

1916
01:00:39,256 --> 01:00:40,491
and if that is going to be an

1917
01:00:40,491 --> 01:00:42,126
ongoing thing that's something

1918
01:00:42,126 --> 01:00:43,360
you can come back and request

1919
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,262
additional approval for. Is

1920
01:00:45,262 --> 01:00:47,662
that something. That would.

1921
01:00:50,501 --> 01:00:52,503
>> be okay with? So um. A

1922
01:00:52,503 --> 01:00:53,970
provisional restriction on

1923
01:00:53,970 --> 01:00:55,600
tastings of any kind on the

1924
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:56,241
site, is that. What you're

1925
01:00:56,241 --> 01:00:58,242
saying? Well, I mean beyond

1926
01:00:58,242 --> 01:00:58,509
just maybe for your wholesalers

1927
01:00:58,509 --> 01:01:00,110
or.

1928
01:01:00,110 --> 01:01:02,246
>> you know. We don't want the

1929
01:01:02,246 --> 01:01:03,748
general public to be coming in

1930
01:01:03,748 --> 01:01:07,251
there for tastings like a wine

1931
01:01:07,251 --> 01:01:10,254
bar. So uh yeah. Yes, 100%. I

1932
01:01:10,254 --> 01:01:12,123
agree with that. It's there's.

1933
01:01:12,123 --> 01:01:13,490
I'm not really going to be set

1934
01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:15,860
up for that. Um.

1935
01:01:15,860 --> 01:01:17,262
>> if a distributor wants.

1936
01:01:17,262 --> 01:01:18,496
>> to come and meet. With me.

1937
01:01:18,496 --> 01:01:20,231
Probably not going to meet at

1938
01:01:20,231 --> 01:01:22,233
the. Site either. Um, we MAY.

1939
01:01:22,233 --> 01:01:23,601
Go over there and visit to. To

1940
01:01:23,601 --> 01:01:24,870
have them look at what I'm

1941
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:26,504
doing. But this.

1942
01:01:26,504 --> 01:01:28,974
>> is this is not a site.

1943
01:01:28,974 --> 01:01:30,375
That's intended for. Showing

1944
01:01:30,375 --> 01:01:30,675
off. They're going to have

1945
01:01:30,675 --> 01:01:32,675
tours.

1946
01:01:34,112 --> 01:01:37,112
>> and. I mean 50 bucks ahead.

1947
01:01:39,117 --> 01:01:41,120
Sure okay. Very good. Any other

1948
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,121
questions for the applicant.

1949
01:01:43,121 --> 01:01:45,490
All right. Corey thank you

1950
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:46,224
thank you. Uh we'll have

1951
01:01:46,224 --> 01:01:46,858
clayton present and just hang

1952
01:01:46,858 --> 01:01:47,225
tight. We MAY have more

1953
01:01:47,225 --> 01:01:49,225
questions.

1954
01:01:53,665 --> 01:01:55,000
>> for you later but.

1955
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:55,501
Uh okay.

1956
01:01:55,501 --> 01:01:57,501
>> so just.

1957
01:01:57,870 --> 01:01:58,871
>> a, um, summary.

1958
01:01:58,871 --> 01:02:00,506
>> of uh, what we're looking

1959
01:02:00,506 --> 01:02:02,108
at, uh, this request to add the

1960
01:02:02,108 --> 01:02:03,375
winery for this. Uh, special.

1961
01:02:03,375 --> 01:02:05,375
Development plan, uh.

1962
01:02:05,477 --> 01:02:07,877
>> this. 88.3 acre site, uh,

1963
01:02:08,247 --> 01:02:08,547
one smaller and I think I heard

1964
01:02:08,547 --> 01:02:10,115
1200.

1965
01:02:10,115 --> 01:02:11,617
>> square feet, 1200. 1200

1966
01:02:11,617 --> 01:02:13,252
square feet. Okay. Thank you.

1967
01:02:13,252 --> 01:02:15,754
Uh, we had measured out about

1968
01:02:15,754 --> 01:02:17,756
1000ft. Um, so just a point,

1969
01:02:17,756 --> 01:02:18,490
uh, to bring up the the

1970
01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:19,491
proposed conditions and

1971
01:02:19,491 --> 01:02:20,760
standards that are included

1972
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,762
with the packet, uh, campus

1973
01:02:22,762 --> 01:02:23,863
square footage of 1000ft

1974
01:02:23,863 --> 01:02:26,232
because we figured this was

1975
01:02:26,232 --> 01:02:28,500
about 900 or so. Um, so if, uh,

1976
01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:30,200
there is a motion to approve

1977
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,370
this and pass it along to city

1978
01:02:31,370 --> 01:02:32,505
council, I'd like to bump that

1979
01:02:32,505 --> 01:02:33,739
number up to at least 1200

1980
01:02:33,739 --> 01:02:34,273
square feet on that cap on the

1981
01:02:34,273 --> 01:02:35,742
square footage. Um.

1982
01:02:35,742 --> 01:02:37,877
>> just so we don't, uh, box

1983
01:02:37,877 --> 01:02:39,611
that in and necessarily. Um.

1984
01:02:39,611 --> 01:02:40,980
>> so we have 1000ft here.

1985
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:42,382
That was just our estimate off

1986
01:02:42,382 --> 01:02:43,483
of the site plan off the space

1987
01:02:43,483 --> 01:02:45,485
plan that was there. So uh,

1988
01:02:45,485 --> 01:02:48,485
we'll say 1200 square foot area

1989
01:02:49,355 --> 01:02:49,990
for that particular suite. Um,

1990
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:51,358
I've included this.

1991
01:02:51,358 --> 01:02:52,859
>> uh, discussed this is the

1992
01:02:52,859 --> 01:02:54,861
work session. Um, I think there

1993
01:02:54,861 --> 01:02:55,862
was some. Uh uh a lot of the

1994
01:02:55,862 --> 01:02:57,631
correspondence that we received

1995
01:02:57,631 --> 01:02:58,531
regarding this I think MAY have

1996
01:02:58,531 --> 01:02:59,732
been a misunderstanding about

1997
01:02:59,732 --> 01:03:00,967
the scope of the project and

1998
01:03:00,967 --> 01:03:01,234
condition in the relationship

1999
01:03:01,234 --> 01:03:03,300
to.

2000
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:05,371
>> the property. Uh, because we

2001
01:03:05,371 --> 01:03:06,372
include uh uh, when we send out

2002
01:03:06,372 --> 01:03:08,375
notifications for zoning cases

2003
01:03:08,375 --> 01:03:09,376
,um, that we're required to

2004
01:03:09,376 --> 01:03:11,378
use. Basically the property

2005
01:03:11,378 --> 01:03:13,980
boundaries for that. Uh, so

2006
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:15,749
this is a eight acre site, um,

2007
01:03:15,749 --> 01:03:17,251
that we were using for the

2008
01:03:17,251 --> 01:03:18,485
notification area. Um, so the

2009
01:03:18,485 --> 01:03:19,987
site is there in the in the

2010
01:03:19,987 --> 01:03:21,255
hatched area uh, the larger

2011
01:03:21,255 --> 01:03:22,756
blue line is the notification

2012
01:03:22,756 --> 01:03:25,491
area. So every property within

2013
01:03:25,491 --> 01:03:26,727
that uh or touches that we sent

2014
01:03:26,727 --> 01:03:27,493
out public notice on for this

2015
01:03:27,493 --> 01:03:29,493
particular public hearing

2016
01:03:29,764 --> 01:03:32,232
tonight um even though the the

2017
01:03:32,232 --> 01:03:34,735
site itself is just a small. Uh

2018
01:03:34,735 --> 01:03:36,103
1200 square foot area there uh

2019
01:03:36,103 --> 01:03:37,138
,identified by the green box.

2020
01:03:37,138 --> 01:03:38,506
Uh, so we think there might

2021
01:03:38,506 --> 01:03:39,240
have been some a little bit

2022
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,700
misunderstanding about what the

2023
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:41,508
scope of that is compared to

2024
01:03:41,508 --> 01:03:42,743
what the operation was. Um, so

2025
01:03:42,743 --> 01:03:44,979
we wanted to provide this just

2026
01:03:44,979 --> 01:03:45,880
for informational purposes. Uh,

2027
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,747
tonight, uh, just in case

2028
01:03:46,747 --> 01:03:49,383
where. Questions came. Up about

2029
01:03:49,383 --> 01:03:50,851
that. Um.

2030
01:03:50,851 --> 01:03:52,253
>> so this property is in the

2031
01:03:52,253 --> 01:03:53,754
tod district. Uh, this is the

2032
01:03:53,754 --> 01:03:55,490
regulating plan, uh, for the

2033
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:57,758
smithfield tod. Uh, this is a

2034
01:03:57,758 --> 01:03:59,493
200 plus acre area. Uh, the

2035
01:03:59,493 --> 01:04:00,728
site the under consideration

2036
01:04:00,728 --> 01:04:02,130
here where the green star is is

2037
01:04:02,130 --> 01:04:04,365
up there in northeast parkway.

2038
01:04:04,365 --> 01:04:05,633
Um, there are. Multiple

2039
01:04:05,633 --> 01:04:07,101
character zones, uh, in this

2040
01:04:07,101 --> 01:04:08,636
area. Uh, primarily everything

2041
01:04:08,636 --> 01:04:10,238
on the east side of davis

2042
01:04:10,238 --> 01:04:11,740
boulevard is in a mixed. Use

2043
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:13,241
general mixed use area. Um, so

2044
01:04:13,241 --> 01:04:14,476
that's intended for a very wide

2045
01:04:14,476 --> 01:04:16,778
range of uses. It could include

2046
01:04:16,778 --> 01:04:18,246
things from retail, office,

2047
01:04:18,246 --> 01:04:20,246
residential, uh, some

2048
01:04:20,515 --> 01:04:21,883
industrial type operations uh,

2049
01:04:21,883 --> 01:04:23,618
very broad mix of things. Uh

2050
01:04:23,618 --> 01:04:25,153
and if you've uh been out in

2051
01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:26,621
that site you'll see some older

2052
01:04:26,621 --> 01:04:28,123
industrial areas here, some

2053
01:04:28,123 --> 01:04:29,624
newer uh residential areas

2054
01:04:29,624 --> 01:04:31,626
being constructed across from

2055
01:04:31,626 --> 01:04:33,128
this. Area uh some newer

2056
01:04:33,128 --> 01:04:34,630
industrial or newer commercial

2057
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:35,897
retail and residential there in

2058
01:04:35,897 --> 01:04:37,399
the south portion of the site

2059
01:04:37,399 --> 01:04:39,133
uh and some activity there and

2060
01:04:39,133 --> 01:04:40,636
other spots along the west side

2061
01:04:40,636 --> 01:04:42,371
of davis boulevard. Uh but

2062
01:04:42,371 --> 01:04:44,139
bottom line is this is a very

2063
01:04:44,139 --> 01:04:46,374
large uh, mixed use intended to

2064
01:04:46,374 --> 01:04:47,375
be mixed use area, um, for

2065
01:04:47,375 --> 01:04:49,378
trying to encourage new

2066
01:04:49,378 --> 01:04:51,146
development but also trying to

2067
01:04:51,146 --> 01:04:52,648
ensure that existing uses are

2068
01:04:52,648 --> 01:04:54,650
able to continue along in this

2069
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:56,285
uh, within the tod district uh,

2070
01:04:56,285 --> 01:04:57,286
and to uh, you know, allow

2071
01:04:57,286 --> 01:04:58,787
other improvements and things

2072
01:04:58,787 --> 01:05:00,389
to be made over this over the

2073
01:05:00,389 --> 01:05:01,657
course of time, uh, and prior

2074
01:05:01,657 --> 01:05:03,158
to any kind of other

2075
01:05:03,158 --> 01:05:04,526
redevelopment that might occur.

2076
01:05:04,526 --> 01:05:05,794
Uh, but this is the regulating

2077
01:05:05,794 --> 01:05:06,895
plan that ties in as well with

2078
01:05:06,895 --> 01:05:09,310
the, uh, the zoning district

2079
01:05:09,310 --> 01:05:10,533
for the tod. So if you look on

2080
01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:12,268
the zoning map, this area is

2081
01:05:12,268 --> 01:05:15,638
all zoned uh, for that tod area

2082
01:05:15,638 --> 01:05:16,539
.Um, there was.

2083
01:05:16,539 --> 01:05:17,406
>> some references to the

2084
01:05:17,406 --> 01:05:18,407
alcoholic beverage codes we've

2085
01:05:18,407 --> 01:05:19,275
provided some maps just

2086
01:05:19,275 --> 01:05:21,410
showing, uh, those standards

2087
01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:22,411
here. Um, the city's code, uh,

2088
01:05:22,411 --> 01:05:23,411
which mirrors the state

2089
01:05:23,411 --> 01:05:24,914
alcoholic beverage commission

2090
01:05:24,914 --> 01:05:25,915
code, uh, does have

2091
01:05:25,915 --> 01:05:27,150
requirements distance

2092
01:05:27,150 --> 01:05:28,418
requirements from uh

2093
01:05:28,418 --> 01:05:30,152
establishments that might sell

2094
01:05:30,152 --> 01:05:32,552
alcoholic beverages uh, either

2095
01:05:32,654 --> 01:05:33,889
from churches and um public

2096
01:05:33,889 --> 01:05:35,658
hospitals and also from public

2097
01:05:35,658 --> 01:05:37,393
and private schools. Um so

2098
01:05:37,393 --> 01:05:38,394
under the current codes, uh the

2099
01:05:38,394 --> 01:05:40,663
there is a distance

2100
01:05:40,663 --> 01:05:41,898
requirement. For uh, uh

2101
01:05:41,898 --> 01:05:42,999
properties that.

2102
01:05:42,999 --> 01:05:44,167
>> might have an establishment

2103
01:05:44,167 --> 01:05:45,902
that sells alcoholic beverages.

2104
01:05:45,902 --> 01:05:47,136
Uh, from from a school

2105
01:05:47,136 --> 01:05:48,905
property. Uh that minimum

2106
01:05:48,905 --> 01:05:50,273
requirement is 300ft and. So

2107
01:05:50,273 --> 01:05:52,275
that's a. Property line a.

2108
01:05:52,275 --> 01:05:53,643
Property line uh, measurement.

2109
01:05:53,643 --> 01:05:54,644
Uh, so if you were to look at

2110
01:05:54,644 --> 01:05:56,646
the site under consideration

2111
01:05:56,646 --> 01:05:57,914
here on northeast parkway and

2112
01:05:57,914 --> 01:05:58,915
compare that to the property

2113
01:05:58,915 --> 01:06:00,416
where smithfield elementary

2114
01:06:00,416 --> 01:06:01,785
school is on the other side of

2115
01:06:01,785 --> 01:06:03,787
davis boulevard. Uh, it's a

2116
01:06:03,787 --> 01:06:04,788
little over 560ft as the crow

2117
01:06:04,788 --> 01:06:06,230
flies from property. Land

2118
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:08,250
property line. Uh, so it does

2119
01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:09,526
exceed that 300 foot. Distance

2120
01:06:09,526 --> 01:06:10,661
um. Even though it's not

2121
01:06:10,661 --> 01:06:12,663
affected here. Um, if there

2122
01:06:12,663 --> 01:06:13,764
were a church in this area or a

2123
01:06:13,764 --> 01:06:15,766
daycare center or a public

2124
01:06:15,766 --> 01:06:17,340
hospital um that 300 foot

2125
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:18,534
distance does apply but the

2126
01:06:18,534 --> 01:06:20,370
measurement is different. Uh,

2127
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:21,380
that is measured from door to

2128
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:22,405
door from those two

2129
01:06:22,405 --> 01:06:23,540
establishments. Um, the only

2130
01:06:23,540 --> 01:06:24,208
one that is uh property line

2131
01:06:24,208 --> 01:06:25,542
the property line is to.

2132
01:06:25,542 --> 01:06:26,175
>> a school. And so that's what

2133
01:06:26,175 --> 01:06:26,844
we've shown here on.

2134
01:06:26,844 --> 01:06:28,844
>> this. Particular map.

2135
01:06:29,547 --> 01:06:31,181
>> and then for additional.

2136
01:06:31,181 --> 01:06:32,183
Reference uh, there are other

2137
01:06:32,183 --> 01:06:34,583
existing alcohol permits within

2138
01:06:34,685 --> 01:06:36,153
this area. Uh there are two uh

2139
01:06:36,153 --> 01:06:37,154
gas station convenience stores

2140
01:06:37,154 --> 01:06:38,655
there at the corner at

2141
01:06:38,655 --> 01:06:39,924
northeast parkway. Uh they both

2142
01:06:39,924 --> 01:06:41,658
have uh permits that would

2143
01:06:41,658 --> 01:06:43,600
allow for basically beer and

2144
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:44,562
wine sales package sales uh,

2145
01:06:44,562 --> 01:06:46,531
not for on premise. Consumption

2146
01:06:46,531 --> 01:06:48,532
.. Uh, but for carryout uh,

2147
01:06:48,532 --> 01:06:50,301
same with the uh the breaktime

2148
01:06:50,301 --> 01:06:52,360
uh, convenience store there at

2149
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:53,805
smithfield and main street uh,

2150
01:06:53,805 --> 01:06:54,906
there in that southwestern

2151
01:06:54,906 --> 01:06:56,674
portion of the. Property and

2152
01:06:56,674 --> 01:06:58,176
then back for barbecue has a

2153
01:06:58,176 --> 01:06:59,176
mixed beverage permit for their

2154
01:06:59,176 --> 01:07:00,177
operations there at that

2155
01:07:00,177 --> 01:07:01,179
particular restaurant. Uh, so

2156
01:07:01,179 --> 01:07:02,413
just. For comparative purposes,

2157
01:07:02,413 --> 01:07:04,282
those are the existing permits

2158
01:07:04,282 --> 01:07:05,415
that are within that area. Uh,

2159
01:07:05,415 --> 01:07:06,684
this would be a different type

2160
01:07:06,684 --> 01:07:09,684
of permit but similar in

2161
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,922
operation. Um.

2162
01:07:10,922 --> 01:07:11,556
>> so. Following your.

2163
01:07:11,556 --> 01:07:12,557
>> action tonight the.

2164
01:07:12,557 --> 01:07:14,659
>> city council will consider

2165
01:07:14,659 --> 01:07:16,161
us on SEPTEMBER 14th. Uh, we're

2166
01:07:16,161 --> 01:07:17,929
happy to answer any questions

2167
01:07:17,929 --> 01:07:18,964
uh, prior to the public hearing

2168
01:07:18,964 --> 01:07:20,650
or address any questions that

2169
01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:20,465
might come up during the public

2170
01:07:20,465 --> 01:07:22,465
hearing. Uh.

2171
01:07:26,671 --> 01:07:27,720
>> if there are any. All right.

2172
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:28,306
Like you.

2173
01:07:28,306 --> 01:07:30,306
>> any questions? Just.

2174
01:07:30,574 --> 01:07:32,444
>> uh, quite nice a question.

2175
01:07:32,444 --> 01:07:33,578
>> on one question here. Um, do

2176
01:07:33,578 --> 01:07:34,813
you happen to know what the

2177
01:07:34,813 --> 01:07:37,449
occupancy rate is of that

2178
01:07:37,449 --> 01:07:38,917
industrial park? Um, uh. I

2179
01:07:38,917 --> 01:07:40,185
don't I'm sorry. We don't know

2180
01:07:40,185 --> 01:07:41,954
what the are the occupancy of

2181
01:07:41,954 --> 01:07:43,322
it. Um, we have driven through

2182
01:07:43,322 --> 01:07:44,423
it several times over the last

2183
01:07:44,423 --> 01:07:45,691
couple of weeks. Um.

2184
01:07:45,691 --> 01:07:46,558
>> there are there are a number

2185
01:07:46,558 --> 01:07:48,193
of businesses that are

2186
01:07:48,193 --> 01:07:49,962
operating out of that area, uh,

2187
01:07:49,962 --> 01:07:52,331
number of codes that do exist

2188
01:07:52,331 --> 01:07:54,200
there for a wide range of uses.

2189
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,702
Uh a lot of commercial uses um

2190
01:07:56,702 --> 01:07:58,204
service types of operations. Um

2191
01:07:58,204 --> 01:07:59,705
woodworking shops, um

2192
01:07:59,705 --> 01:08:01,340
warehousing um services that

2193
01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:03,750
provide for hot tubs and pools

2194
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:04,810
and things of that nature. Um

2195
01:08:04,810 --> 01:08:06,212
it looks like it's pretty. Well

2196
01:08:06,212 --> 01:08:07,713
occupied but uh there's not a

2197
01:08:07,713 --> 01:08:08,314
lot of signage. In the

2198
01:08:08,314 --> 01:08:09,715
development. Um.

2199
01:08:09,715 --> 01:08:10,716
>> this is not really a

2200
01:08:10,716 --> 01:08:12,217
destination type of uh,

2201
01:08:12,217 --> 01:08:13,720
property. Um, so there's not

2202
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:14,720
usually a lot of signage

2203
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:15,688
associated with that. So there

2204
01:08:15,688 --> 01:08:16,589
there are probably people

2205
01:08:16,589 --> 01:08:17,690
operating on that that. Just

2206
01:08:17,690 --> 01:08:19,692
don't. Pay for uh exterior

2207
01:08:19,692 --> 01:08:20,960
signage. Um. But uh, we don't

2208
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,360
know the exact. Uh.

2209
01:08:23,563 --> 01:08:24,697
>> occupancy for it, but but

2210
01:08:24,697 --> 01:08:25,697
there are quite a number of

2211
01:08:25,697 --> 01:08:27,697
businesses currently there.

2212
01:08:30,203 --> 01:08:32,204
Thank you ma'am. Excuse me.

2213
01:08:32,204 --> 01:08:34,740
Goodness was. Beyond spot a

2214
01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:37,674
little bit. Uh. I'm ready for

2215
01:08:38,711 --> 01:08:40,714
it. Thank uh, why are we're.

2216
01:08:40,714 --> 01:08:41,810
Talking about. Making sure. Or

2217
01:08:41,810 --> 01:08:42,215
possible.

2218
01:08:42,215 --> 01:08:42,983
>> have an. Exemption where

2219
01:08:42,983 --> 01:08:44,450
there is no tasting.

2220
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:45,986
>> area they. Want to.

2221
01:08:45,986 --> 01:08:47,354
>> make sure that we protect uh

2222
01:08:47,354 --> 01:08:48,121
MR.. Right now for sure. Are

2223
01:08:48,121 --> 01:08:49,356
there any unintended.

2224
01:08:49,356 --> 01:08:50,490
Consequences you can think.

2225
01:08:50,490 --> 01:08:51,857
>> of off top of your. Head

2226
01:08:51,857 --> 01:08:53,360
about. Uh.

2227
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,950
>> if that restriction could

2228
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:56,596
cause. Something the uh,

2229
01:08:56,596 --> 01:08:58,996
restriction on tastings. Yes.

2230
01:08:59,499 --> 01:09:00,867
>> um. The only thing I. Can

2231
01:09:00,867 --> 01:09:01,868
offer on that is, uh, that's

2232
01:09:01,868 --> 01:09:03,871
not something that's covered

2233
01:09:03,871 --> 01:09:05,500
under the city codes for that.

2234
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:06,373
Um, usually that's.

2235
01:09:06,373 --> 01:09:07,740
>> part of the operation that

2236
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:08,842
you would get, uh, when they

2237
01:09:08,842 --> 01:09:09,876
apply for their permit from

2238
01:09:09,876 --> 01:09:11,344
alcoholic beverage commission.

2239
01:09:11,344 --> 01:09:12,880
Uh, they apply for the winery

2240
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,614
permit in this case, uh, and

2241
01:09:14,614 --> 01:09:16,350
there are allowances under that

2242
01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:18,352
license and permit to be able

2243
01:09:18,352 --> 01:09:20,120
to do certain things and some

2244
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:20,387
of those things are tastings.

2245
01:09:20,387 --> 01:09:22,355
Um.

2246
01:09:22,355 --> 01:09:22,723
>> so that's not a. Not

2247
01:09:22,723 --> 01:09:23,490
something.

2248
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:25,726
>> that's. Covered under the

2249
01:09:25,726 --> 01:09:26,994
city code to allow for restrict

2250
01:09:26,994 --> 01:09:28,229
those that's completely the

2251
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:30,364
alcoholic beverage controls the

2252
01:09:30,364 --> 01:09:31,866
operations of those things. Uh.

2253
01:09:31,866 --> 01:09:33,000
>> what the zoning would

2254
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,502
provide for is is this

2255
01:09:34,502 --> 01:09:36,470
particular use authorized

2256
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:38,239
there. Uh and then that

2257
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:39,373
function. In conjunction with

2258
01:09:39,373 --> 01:09:41,374
whatever the permit from the

2259
01:09:41,374 --> 01:09:42,877
state would allow. For um. I

2260
01:09:42,877 --> 01:09:44,345
think the closest quarterly I

2261
01:09:44,345 --> 01:09:46,114
can think of are uh, drone

2262
01:09:46,114 --> 01:09:46,379
operations that wing is doing.

2263
01:09:46,379 --> 01:09:47,849
Um.

2264
01:09:47,849 --> 01:09:49,617
>> the the zoning that's

2265
01:09:49,617 --> 01:09:51,119
permitted for that basically

2266
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:51,986
sets up the conditions for the

2267
01:09:51,986 --> 01:09:53,620
site improvements where they

2268
01:09:53,620 --> 01:09:54,622
can be located. You know, those

2269
01:09:54,622 --> 01:09:55,490
require special zoning

2270
01:09:55,490 --> 01:09:56,858
approvals. But once.

2271
01:09:56,858 --> 01:09:58,360
>> the drone leaves the air

2272
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,950
that drone falls under the faa

2273
01:10:00,950 --> 01:10:02,363
type of uh regulation and not

2274
01:10:02,363 --> 01:10:04,599
city regulation. Um, so this is

2275
01:10:04,599 --> 01:10:05,600
kind of a similar type of

2276
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,869
situation to where the use

2277
01:10:07,869 --> 01:10:09,371
could be permitted but the

2278
01:10:09,371 --> 01:10:11,106
operations of how they function

2279
01:10:11,106 --> 01:10:11,840
the business, uh, and the

2280
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:12,740
things that are permitted under

2281
01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:13,475
that permit would fall under

2282
01:10:13,475 --> 01:10:15,376
the alcoholic. Beverage

2283
01:10:15,376 --> 01:10:16,878
commission control. So there.

2284
01:10:16,878 --> 01:10:17,746
>> could be it could. Be a

2285
01:10:17,746 --> 01:10:18,747
condition that could be

2286
01:10:18,747 --> 01:10:21,147
attached that uh ultimately

2287
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:21,683
could uh just be. Um

2288
01:10:21,683 --> 01:10:23,251
unenforceable.

2289
01:10:23,251 --> 01:10:24,986
>> by the city since that's not

2290
01:10:24,986 --> 01:10:27,386
the city's jurisdiction. Okay.

2291
01:10:27,756 --> 01:10:29,257
>> well bigger concern is

2292
01:10:29,257 --> 01:10:30,726
really on the parking, right?

2293
01:10:30,726 --> 01:10:32,494
Because sure, when they have

2294
01:10:32,494 --> 01:10:33,729
the public coming in and the

2295
01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:34,997
parking becomes. Tight and

2296
01:10:34,997 --> 01:10:37,997
that's really the issue that

2297
01:10:38,233 --> 01:10:40,369
I'm looking at as a consequence

2298
01:10:40,369 --> 01:10:42,371
of that activity being well, I

2299
01:10:42,371 --> 01:10:43,738
mean we control land uses that

2300
01:10:43,738 --> 01:10:46,242
deal with people coming in and

2301
01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:48,477
out whether it's retail or you

2302
01:10:48,477 --> 01:10:49,979
know, industrial. And the fact

2303
01:10:49,979 --> 01:10:52,481
is that since they only have

2304
01:10:52,481 --> 01:10:54,483
two parking spaces, I really

2305
01:10:54,483 --> 01:10:56,252
think that's where I'm looking

2306
01:10:56,252 --> 01:10:57,853
at seeing that we don't want to

2307
01:10:57,853 --> 01:11:00,256
have a lot of that in and out

2308
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,725
traffic. And we are not trying

2309
01:11:02,725 --> 01:11:03,993
to control what the tabc uh,

2310
01:11:03,993 --> 01:11:05,494
license would allow them to do.

2311
01:11:05,494 --> 01:11:07,730
But it's more of the external

2312
01:11:07,730 --> 01:11:10,130
uh, externality of people

2313
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,736
coming in and the impact on the

2314
01:11:13,736 --> 01:11:15,104
parking is why I'm kind of

2315
01:11:15,104 --> 01:11:17,607
putting that uh, trying to put

2316
01:11:17,607 --> 01:11:20,376
that limitation. Makes sense on

2317
01:11:20,376 --> 01:11:22,345
a um.

2318
01:11:22,345 --> 01:11:24,347
>> I think cheryl and jim

2319
01:11:24,347 --> 01:11:26,347
didn't..

2320
01:11:27,751 --> 01:11:30,751
>> oh, okay. So really. You're

2321
01:11:30,854 --> 01:11:32,722
um. Retail part of it would

2322
01:11:32,722 --> 01:11:36,922
just be for people to come by

2323
01:11:36,993 --> 01:11:39,496
individual bottles. So that. So

2324
01:11:39,496 --> 01:11:41,231
that sounds more than the.

2325
01:11:41,231 --> 01:11:42,599
Tasting but you're not

2326
01:11:42,599 --> 01:11:44,134
expecting a lot. I mean, your

2327
01:11:44,134 --> 01:11:46,370
door would be knocked down by

2328
01:11:46,370 --> 01:11:49,640
hundreds of people to come by.

2329
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:50,741
No. Not at all. Um, in fact. I

2330
01:11:50,741 --> 01:11:53,243
don't even intend to have.

2331
01:11:53,243 --> 01:11:53,510
>> the. Doors unlocked. For

2332
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:55,510
the.

2333
01:11:55,512 --> 01:11:56,413
>> majority of the week..

2334
01:11:56,413 --> 01:11:57,130
>> um, maybe in.

2335
01:11:57,130 --> 01:11:59,130
>> off. Hours.

2336
01:11:59,783 --> 01:12:02,285
>> but most of my. Individual

2337
01:12:02,285 --> 01:12:03,387
bottle sales would be. Hey, I

2338
01:12:03,387 --> 01:12:04,888
want to come by and get. Uh,

2339
01:12:04,888 --> 01:12:05,890
get a couple of bottles. I want

2340
01:12:05,890 --> 01:12:07,230
to take them to a wedding or. I

2341
01:12:07,230 --> 01:12:08,892
want to, you. Know, buy a

2342
01:12:08,892 --> 01:12:10,394
couple for my. You know, my

2343
01:12:10,394 --> 01:12:12,896
cousins. Or whatever. It's it's

2344
01:12:12,896 --> 01:12:15,633
not the intended. Primary sale,

2345
01:12:15,633 --> 01:12:16,400
uh, approach for my business.

2346
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,135
Um, I'm going.

2347
01:12:18,135 --> 01:12:19,903
>> to be putting the majority

2348
01:12:19,903 --> 01:12:21,639
of my. Product in kegs.

2349
01:12:21,639 --> 01:12:23,407
>> to sell to local businesses.

2350
01:12:23,407 --> 01:12:25,409
And you said when you do a

2351
01:12:25,409 --> 01:12:26,777
tasting the permit tabc permit

2352
01:12:26,777 --> 01:12:28,279
allows you to do you said an

2353
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:29,646
ounce and a half. It's uh I

2354
01:12:29,646 --> 01:12:30,147
think it's under a half ounce

2355
01:12:30,147 --> 01:12:31,649
for the tasting.

2356
01:12:31,649 --> 01:12:32,517
>> I'd have to review that to

2357
01:12:32,517 --> 01:12:35,190
be sure, but I believe it's.

2358
01:12:35,190 --> 01:12:37,255
>> under a half ounce and even

2359
01:12:37,255 --> 01:12:39,220
then I don't I don't I don't

2360
01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:41,526
intend to bring. People to this

2361
01:12:41,526 --> 01:12:43,761
to this site for for tastings.

2362
01:12:43,761 --> 01:12:45,629
Um, if I'm in dire straits. And

2363
01:12:45,629 --> 01:12:49,133
somebody just has to come by

2364
01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:51,636
um, and I need to follow I can.

2365
01:12:51,636 --> 01:12:52,903
File anything you need. Um.

2366
01:12:52,903 --> 01:12:53,238
Absolutely, but I do I do. Not

2367
01:12:53,238 --> 01:12:55,140
intend.

2368
01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:56,408
>> to have, uh. Official

2369
01:12:56,408 --> 01:12:58,408
tastings here. Right.

2370
01:12:58,643 --> 01:13:00,645
>> and part of it we discussed

2371
01:13:00,645 --> 01:13:02,147
in the the work session and I

2372
01:13:02,147 --> 01:13:02,480
think some of the feedback in

2373
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,149
our. Uh.

2374
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:06,549
>> from the community brought

2375
01:13:07,152 --> 01:13:09,154
it up to but as we do a

2376
01:13:09,154 --> 01:13:11,156
development plan or a. Special

2377
01:13:11,156 --> 01:13:13,258
use. Permit, which is what this

2378
01:13:13,258 --> 01:13:15,761
is but um, part of what we have

2379
01:13:15,761 --> 01:13:17,763
to think of is. You know,

2380
01:13:17,763 --> 01:13:20,299
you've created the uh, use that

2381
01:13:20,299 --> 01:13:21,533
happens in that area. Um, you

2382
01:13:21,533 --> 01:13:24,360
don't open it to the public

2383
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,771
sounds like necessarily um. But

2384
01:13:25,771 --> 01:13:27,539
the next person not saying that

2385
01:13:27,539 --> 01:13:28,273
you're going anywhere but we

2386
01:13:28,273 --> 01:13:29,408
have to think that way. You

2387
01:13:29,408 --> 01:13:32,678
know, if the next person who

2388
01:13:32,678 --> 01:13:33,679
comes in to do that use um, you

2389
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:35,414
know, we have to.

2390
01:13:35,414 --> 01:13:38,417
>> think. Of how they would do

2391
01:13:38,417 --> 01:13:39,785
but and then uh, kind of jump

2392
01:13:39,785 --> 01:13:41,419
in between the two of you. But

2393
01:13:41,419 --> 01:13:44,656
but clayton, it sounds like is

2394
01:13:44,656 --> 01:13:46,659
your answer to to kyle. Um,

2395
01:13:46,659 --> 01:13:50,396
it's kind of murky as to what

2396
01:13:50,396 --> 01:13:52,664
the zoning uh, is able to

2397
01:13:52,664 --> 01:13:54,899
regulate in terms of the

2398
01:13:54,899 --> 01:13:56,168
activities to that degree I

2399
01:13:56,168 --> 01:13:57,402
guess the operations of the

2400
01:13:57,402 --> 01:13:58,671
use. Yeah, that's. That's

2401
01:13:58,671 --> 01:14:01,710
correct. Um, the alcoholic

2402
01:14:01,407 --> 01:14:02,408
beverage. Commission um,

2403
01:14:02,408 --> 01:14:04,430
controls. Pretty much.

2404
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:05,544
>> all of the operations how

2405
01:14:05,544 --> 01:14:06,912
they. How they. How they do.

2406
01:14:06,912 --> 01:14:07,780
>> the things how they bottle

2407
01:14:07,780 --> 01:14:08,548
of the stuff how they store

2408
01:14:08,548 --> 01:14:09,282
their materials, how they

2409
01:14:09,282 --> 01:14:10,650
market it, how they sell it,

2410
01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:12,151
how they label it, those sorts

2411
01:14:12,151 --> 01:14:13,420
of things. Um, those are

2412
01:14:13,420 --> 01:14:14,420
outside of the city's control

2413
01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:15,655
because that's controlled by

2414
01:14:15,655 --> 01:14:18,550
the by different government

2415
01:14:18,291 --> 01:14:19,292
agency at the state level. Um,

2416
01:14:19,292 --> 01:14:20,527
other. Things that we would

2417
01:14:20,527 --> 01:14:22,295
look at too, um, for this

2418
01:14:22,295 --> 01:14:24,297
particular type thing I mean

2419
01:14:24,297 --> 01:14:26,533
this winery is essentially sort

2420
01:14:26,533 --> 01:14:28,340
of a um. Manufacturing type of

2421
01:14:28,340 --> 01:14:29,402
operation which is kind of how

2422
01:14:29,402 --> 01:14:30,303
we've been viewing it is this

2423
01:14:30,303 --> 01:14:32,539
application has been. Forward

2424
01:14:32,539 --> 01:14:34,274
um. Not viewing it as a.

2425
01:14:34,274 --> 01:14:35,775
Drinking establishment or a

2426
01:14:35,775 --> 01:14:37,177
retail store or anything like

2427
01:14:37,177 --> 01:14:38,644
that. So we were looking at it

2428
01:14:38,644 --> 01:14:40,180
more as a production facility,

2429
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:41,414
uh, which is what the winery

2430
01:14:41,414 --> 01:14:42,916
permit really is from the from.

2431
01:14:42,916 --> 01:14:44,150
>> the state. Um. And not

2432
01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:45,419
necessarily a retail type

2433
01:14:45,419 --> 01:14:47,419
operation. Um.

2434
01:14:48,155 --> 01:14:49,656
>> uh it's hard to the winery

2435
01:14:49,656 --> 01:14:50,924
permit can cover something this

2436
01:14:50,924 --> 01:14:52,159
small and also construct you

2437
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:53,600
know, something as large as you

2438
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:54,528
know, hundreds of acres in

2439
01:14:54,528 --> 01:14:55,930
grapevine. Texas um, to be able

2440
01:14:55,930 --> 01:14:57,664
to do that. So those activities

2441
01:14:57,664 --> 01:14:59,300
are vastly different in scale.

2442
01:14:59,300 --> 01:15:01,802
Um, but this is more of a

2443
01:15:01,802 --> 01:15:03,303
production., uh, manufacturing

2444
01:15:03,303 --> 01:15:03,971
.Industrial type of operation

2445
01:15:03,971 --> 01:15:05,305
more than anything.

2446
01:15:05,305 --> 01:15:06,305
>> else at the site. And that's

2447
01:15:06,305 --> 01:15:08,409
kind of how we view that

2448
01:15:08,409 --> 01:15:10,678
basically on a land use. Issue

2449
01:15:10,678 --> 01:15:12,280
and a. Parking situation. Uh,

2450
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:13,180
and just the general use of the

2451
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:14,548
property. So that's.

2452
01:15:14,548 --> 01:15:16,500
>> that's been our focus on

2453
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:18,786
that is outside of the. Uh

2454
01:15:18,786 --> 01:15:19,120
those operations if that. Helps

2455
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:19,520
address.

2456
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:20,287
>> some of.

2457
01:15:20,287 --> 01:15:23,287
>> those issues. He did we

2458
01:15:26,294 --> 01:15:29,530
enter your. Okay sorry. Uh, one

2459
01:15:29,530 --> 01:15:32,533
thing I was I'm just kind of

2460
01:15:32,533 --> 01:15:34,302
curious on this, uh, you know,

2461
01:15:34,302 --> 01:15:36,537
with the tod and that general

2462
01:15:36,537 --> 01:15:39,400
mixed use zoning and and, uh,

2463
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,677
kind of the I guess the vision

2464
01:15:42,677 --> 01:15:45,913
2030 aspect of all of this, um,

2465
01:15:45,913 --> 01:15:47,782
is is that industrial park kind

2466
01:15:47,782 --> 01:15:49,551
of the vision for that? I know

2467
01:15:49,551 --> 01:15:52,551
we don't like developed land,

2468
01:15:53,540 --> 01:15:54,923
but is that long term kind of

2469
01:15:54,923 --> 01:15:57,792
the vision for this area? Would

2470
01:15:57,792 --> 01:15:59,661
it be an industrial park or. Um

2471
01:15:59,661 --> 01:16:02,430
,I think if you if you.

2472
01:16:02,430 --> 01:16:04,399
Basically take this um concept

2473
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:06,434
this um regulating plan and

2474
01:16:06,434 --> 01:16:08,670
look at that is uh kind of the

2475
01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:10,905
guiding idea of what that area

2476
01:16:10,905 --> 01:16:12,400
should be. Um certainly it's

2477
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,775
not going to be something that

2478
01:16:13,775 --> 01:16:15,430
occurs overnight that all this

2479
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:16,778
property suddenly becomes um,

2480
01:16:16,778 --> 01:16:19,782
you know, a larger mixed use

2481
01:16:19,782 --> 01:16:21,783
area but uh, is properties. Um,

2482
01:16:21,783 --> 01:16:23,510
uh. Might redevelop. Uh there

2483
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:23,719
could be a point to where this

2484
01:16:23,719 --> 01:16:24,453
property owner decides that

2485
01:16:24,453 --> 01:16:26,155
they want to do something

2486
01:16:26,155 --> 01:16:27,923
different to the property. Um,

2487
01:16:27,923 --> 01:16:29,158
this. Is not related to this

2488
01:16:29,158 --> 01:16:30,793
this application but a number

2489
01:16:30,793 --> 01:16:31,660
of years ago I would say with

2490
01:16:31,660 --> 01:16:33,662
probably 7 or 8 years. Ago.

2491
01:16:33,662 --> 01:16:34,930
>> um, the previous property

2492
01:16:34,930 --> 01:16:36,932
owner had thought about making

2493
01:16:36,932 --> 01:16:39,401
some upgrades to the site. Um

2494
01:16:39,401 --> 01:16:40,169
it was. More um. Site

2495
01:16:40,169 --> 01:16:41,403
improvements, esthetic

2496
01:16:41,403 --> 01:16:42,538
improvements to try to bring

2497
01:16:42,538 --> 01:16:43,305
the property a little bit

2498
01:16:43,305 --> 01:16:44,407
closer to compliance. But there

2499
01:16:44,407 --> 01:16:46,175
wasn't a lot of changes about

2500
01:16:46,175 --> 01:16:47,410
the actually uses the property.

2501
01:16:47,410 --> 01:16:48,277
um, so it was still kind of

2502
01:16:48,277 --> 01:16:50,460
geared towards this more

2503
01:16:50,460 --> 01:16:52,460
commercialized operation. Um.

2504
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:53,182
>> so we're not aware that this

2505
01:16:53,182 --> 01:16:55,318
current property owner has any

2506
01:16:55,318 --> 01:16:56,319
plans to do that. Um, that's

2507
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:58,321
certainly something they could

2508
01:16:58,321 --> 01:16:59,187
consider. Um, and we would use

2509
01:16:59,187 --> 01:16:59,689
the guidelines in the T.O.T

2510
01:16:59,689 --> 01:17:00,556
district to kind.

2511
01:17:00,556 --> 01:17:02,558
>> of. Help them. Along with

2512
01:17:02,558 --> 01:17:03,793
that. Um, but. You know,

2513
01:17:03,793 --> 01:17:04,694
overall as you know these

2514
01:17:04,694 --> 01:17:05,695
properties build out you know,

2515
01:17:05,695 --> 01:17:06,796
this is a very, very long.

2516
01:17:06,796 --> 01:17:09,196
Range plan uh, for.

2517
01:17:09,298 --> 01:17:09,766
>> the tod area. Um, so it's

2518
01:17:09,766 --> 01:17:11,670
something that.

2519
01:17:11,670 --> 01:17:12,936
>> could happen in the future.

2520
01:17:12,936 --> 01:17:14,437
Um, for this site or. Property

2521
01:17:14,437 --> 01:17:15,939
south of this if the you know,

2522
01:17:15,939 --> 01:17:17,941
the timing is. Right the the

2523
01:17:17,941 --> 01:17:18,942
the you know if all the things

2524
01:17:18,942 --> 01:17:20,443
line up appropriately for it

2525
01:17:20,443 --> 01:17:22,945
and they decide to do that then

2526
01:17:22,945 --> 01:17:24,180
there is a easy. Generally and.

2527
01:17:24,180 --> 01:17:25,448
>> easy process to get through

2528
01:17:25,448 --> 01:17:27,817
that to be able to redevelop

2529
01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:28,818
site. Yeah I mean I think the

2530
01:17:28,818 --> 01:17:31,540
whole like what we've got on

2531
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:33,560
the the screen there I like it

2532
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,558
I know there's there's a lot

2533
01:17:34,558 --> 01:17:36,325
happening or that has been

2534
01:17:36,325 --> 01:17:38,610
discussed around the the

2535
01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:41,298
station and and uh main street

2536
01:17:41,298 --> 01:17:42,799
uh character zone and um I

2537
01:17:42,799 --> 01:17:44,568
could just see this being a

2538
01:17:44,568 --> 01:17:46,436
really really cool area in the

2539
01:17:46,436 --> 01:17:48,205
city and um. Yeah.

2540
01:17:48,205 --> 01:17:49,440
>> I guess not necessarily an

2541
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,740
entertainment district next to

2542
01:17:51,740 --> 01:17:52,309
the to the houses there which I

2543
01:17:52,309 --> 01:17:53,944
think is what what a lot of

2544
01:17:53,944 --> 01:17:54,978
people were fearing um I.

2545
01:17:54,978 --> 01:17:55,812
>> think a lot of the comments.

2546
01:17:55,812 --> 01:17:56,113
Were geared towards that. Yes.

2547
01:17:56,113 --> 01:17:58,113
Yeah.

2548
01:17:58,315 --> 01:18:00,315
>> um so.

2549
01:18:00,918 --> 01:18:01,952
>> but but that's I guess was

2550
01:18:01,952 --> 01:18:03,687
something I was just curious

2551
01:18:03,687 --> 01:18:05,422
about as far as the the tod

2552
01:18:05,422 --> 01:18:07,190
but. A lot of the focus that

2553
01:18:07,190 --> 01:18:09,193
we've seen uh of course, you

2554
01:18:09,193 --> 01:18:10,327
know in the southern western

2555
01:18:10,327 --> 01:18:11,328
portion of it you know around

2556
01:18:11,328 --> 01:18:11,962
holiday land a lot of

2557
01:18:11,962 --> 01:18:13,297
residential developments

2558
01:18:13,297 --> 01:18:14,565
occurred over there in the last

2559
01:18:14,565 --> 01:18:16,300
ten years. Um.

2560
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:18,302
>> some stuff here along

2561
01:18:18,302 --> 01:18:19,303
smithfield road. So this area

2562
01:18:19,303 --> 01:18:21,304
here you're seeing a. Lot of,

2563
01:18:21,304 --> 01:18:22,305
uh. Activity um, some new.

2564
01:18:22,305 --> 01:18:23,241
Construction down here just

2565
01:18:23,241 --> 01:18:25,176
south of the city's boulevard

2566
01:18:25,176 --> 01:18:26,430
with the new building. The

2567
01:18:26,430 --> 01:18:28,312
starbucks and the construction.

2568
01:18:28,312 --> 01:18:29,460
Down the there at uh, bridge

2569
01:18:29,460 --> 01:18:30,547
street. Um.

2570
01:18:30,547 --> 01:18:32,183
>> new residential development

2571
01:18:32,183 --> 01:18:33,418
golden grove over in this area.

2572
01:18:33,418 --> 01:18:34,686
Um, uh.

2573
01:18:34,686 --> 01:18:35,553
>> rick figaro has been

2574
01:18:35,553 --> 01:18:36,421
developing quite a bit

2575
01:18:36,421 --> 01:18:37,589
redeveloping his properties in.

2576
01:18:37,589 --> 01:18:38,556
>> this. Area too. So there's.

2577
01:18:38,556 --> 01:18:40,325
>> a lot of. Little pieces

2578
01:18:40,325 --> 01:18:42,827
that. Are um., happening over

2579
01:18:42,827 --> 01:18:44,620
there. Um, so there's some.

2580
01:18:44,620 --> 01:18:46,197
Gravity I guess taking. Place

2581
01:18:46,197 --> 01:18:48,933
and for. That um, so. You know,

2582
01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:49,834
as those things. Happen and uh.

2583
01:18:49,834 --> 01:18:50,568
>> it kind of. Guides. Future.

2584
01:18:50,568 --> 01:18:52,568
Development decisions somebody

2585
01:18:55,206 --> 01:18:57,442
might make. All right. Any

2586
01:18:57,442 --> 01:18:59,842
other questions? Yeah. There's

2587
01:19:00,711 --> 01:19:01,947
a approximately 100,000ft like

2588
01:19:01,947 --> 01:19:03,715
if you take all the four

2589
01:19:03,715 --> 01:19:06,715
buildings if each building is

2590
01:19:07,218 --> 01:19:08,453
what 20. 400 yeah. Off if you

2591
01:19:08,453 --> 01:19:10,689
take all five buildings on that

2592
01:19:10,689 --> 01:19:12,900
side it's about 100 and. Uh

2593
01:19:12,900 --> 01:19:13,325
there's one show not shown here

2594
01:19:13,325 --> 01:19:14,326
this kind of off to the side

2595
01:19:14,326 --> 01:19:16,328
that's an irrigation company.

2596
01:19:16,328 --> 01:19:18,197
It's about. 116,000ft total.

2597
01:19:18,197 --> 01:19:20,466
>> building space. Well, and I

2598
01:19:20,466 --> 01:19:22,201
mean even at like 50% occupancy

2599
01:19:22,201 --> 01:19:23,702
that's a lot of existing uses

2600
01:19:23,702 --> 01:19:25,437
that are not most probably

2601
01:19:25,437 --> 01:19:27,206
going to go away anytime soon

2602
01:19:27,206 --> 01:19:28,706
and you don't want. To close

2603
01:19:28,706 --> 01:19:29,708
the cash flowing business and

2604
01:19:29,708 --> 01:19:32,108
you definitely want to

2605
01:19:34,213 --> 01:19:35,948
encourage uh, local uh small

2606
01:19:35,948 --> 01:19:38,217
manufacturing uses like the one

2607
01:19:38,217 --> 01:19:39,585
that's being proposed. But a

2608
01:19:39,585 --> 01:19:43,185
lot of small businesses in this

2609
01:19:46,325 --> 01:19:48,600
facility. Or or. This this um

2610
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:49,829
this request is no. Different

2611
01:19:49,829 --> 01:19:51,630
than. If you move just south

2612
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:53,832
and said the same smithfield.

2613
01:19:53,832 --> 01:19:55,660
Planning area. Uh, this is the

2614
01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:55,935
same request that somebody like

2615
01:19:55,935 --> 01:19:58,204
keyworth would have had to put

2616
01:19:58,204 --> 01:20:00,340
in to. Facilitate their

2617
01:20:00,340 --> 01:20:00,673
correct. It's exactly the same

2618
01:20:00,673 --> 01:20:02,342
process.

2619
01:20:02,342 --> 01:20:03,343
>> yes, sir. Just so that we're

2620
01:20:03,343 --> 01:20:05,343
staying consistent as.

2621
01:20:05,578 --> 01:20:06,580
>> a board. That's the exact

2622
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:06,980
same request that would have

2623
01:20:06,980 --> 01:20:08,980
been put in.

2624
01:20:09,215 --> 01:20:10,817
>> down there. In the same.

2625
01:20:10,817 --> 01:20:11,840
Development area if you will.

2626
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:12,585
Yes.

2627
01:20:12,585 --> 01:20:13,820
>> yeah keyworth is a little

2628
01:20:13,820 --> 01:20:15,188
bit different type of operation

2629
01:20:15,188 --> 01:20:16,690
.Uh they have a different kind

2630
01:20:16,690 --> 01:20:17,589
of license from the. State and.

2631
01:20:17,589 --> 01:20:19,920
They are. You know.

2632
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:20,460
>> they do brew work there but

2633
01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:22,328
they also. You know are a.

2634
01:20:22,328 --> 01:20:23,463
Place to where you. Can much

2635
01:20:23,463 --> 01:20:25,650
like falls idle is another part

2636
01:20:25,650 --> 01:20:27,567
of. Town you can go. There to

2637
01:20:27,567 --> 01:20:28,702
actually you know. Drink at the

2638
01:20:28,702 --> 01:20:29,168
location. Yeah it's it's set up

2639
01:20:29,168 --> 01:20:30,437
for. That from.

2640
01:20:30,437 --> 01:20:30,971
>> a but the but the. Process

2641
01:20:30,971 --> 01:20:32,971
standpoint exactly.

2642
01:20:38,711 --> 01:20:39,980
>> the same yes sir okay well.

2643
01:20:39,980 --> 01:20:41,715
Commissioners before I ask for

2644
01:20:41,715 --> 01:20:42,983
any uh for a motion are there

2645
01:20:42,983 --> 01:20:44,218
any other clarifying questions

2646
01:20:44,218 --> 01:20:46,353
or requests. For input?

2647
01:20:46,353 --> 01:20:47,487
>> oh sorry we haven't done

2648
01:20:47,487 --> 01:20:48,722
the. Public hearing yet I don't

2649
01:20:48,722 --> 01:20:50,457
think have we oh. Yes that's

2650
01:20:50,457 --> 01:20:50,758
good okay so I didn't miss

2651
01:20:50,758 --> 01:20:52,758
that.

2652
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:54,461
>> during all the other stuff.

2653
01:20:54,461 --> 01:20:56,730
So before we do that we're

2654
01:20:56,730 --> 01:20:56,964
going to do the public hearing

2655
01:20:56,964 --> 01:20:58,964
.

2656
01:21:01,335 --> 01:21:01,769
>> uh so. Let me get my

2657
01:21:01,769 --> 01:21:03,769
verbiage here.

2658
01:21:06,340 --> 01:21:09,940
>> so we'll now uh the public

2659
01:21:10,111 --> 01:21:13,711
hearing is open for case zc 20

2660
01:21:15,850 --> 01:21:17,584
6-0163 um and is there anyone

2661
01:21:17,584 --> 01:21:19,352
who would like to speak on the

2662
01:21:19,352 --> 01:21:21,222
item? Uh you can come forward

2663
01:21:21,222 --> 01:21:23,224
now state your name and record

2664
01:21:23,224 --> 01:21:28,240
for the and or for the uh name

2665
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:29,464
and address for the record.

2666
01:21:29,464 --> 01:21:32,100
Here I'm bobby gomez I.

2667
01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:33,601
>> live at 7714 sable lane in

2668
01:21:33,601 --> 01:21:35,103
north richland hills uh, which

2669
01:21:35,103 --> 01:21:36,838
is not near this development

2670
01:21:36,838 --> 01:21:38,106
but adjacent to the tods. I'm

2671
01:21:38,106 --> 01:21:38,973
always very excited to talk

2672
01:21:38,973 --> 01:21:41,109
about the todd it's.

2673
01:21:41,109 --> 01:21:42,210
>> a. Big reason why I moved

2674
01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:43,578
here. Uh, this.

2675
01:21:43,578 --> 01:21:44,846
>> is a cool development. I'm

2676
01:21:44,846 --> 01:21:47,482
in support of it. I think it's

2677
01:21:47,482 --> 01:21:48,984
a good thing to do. Um I. Also

2678
01:21:48,984 --> 01:21:50,151
I was I misunderstood uh,

2679
01:21:50,151 --> 01:21:51,353
posting and so I was thinking

2680
01:21:51,353 --> 01:21:52,454
this was going to be a full

2681
01:21:52,454 --> 01:21:53,722
eight acre development and I

2682
01:21:53,722 --> 01:21:55,356
was like this could be cool,

2683
01:21:55,356 --> 01:21:56,358
but we'd have to do a whole lot

2684
01:21:56,358 --> 01:21:58,360
more than what I saw on the

2685
01:21:58,360 --> 01:21:59,728
space plan. Um, so if you guys

2686
01:21:59,728 --> 01:22:00,950
read that email that I sent in

2687
01:22:00,950 --> 01:22:01,229
you can.

2688
01:22:01,229 --> 01:22:03,229
>> probably. Disregard 90% of

2689
01:22:03,732 --> 01:22:04,966
that. But I would love to see a

2690
01:22:04,966 --> 01:22:06,969
large development here with

2691
01:22:06,969 --> 01:22:08,337
some good tod stuff going on

2692
01:22:08,337 --> 01:22:10,105
that could include a meadery. I

2693
01:22:10,105 --> 01:22:12,708
think that'd be awesome. Um

2694
01:22:12,708 --> 01:22:15,978
yeah. Uh the one thing I will

2695
01:22:15,978 --> 01:22:17,213
say um is that the the memo

2696
01:22:17,213 --> 01:22:19,214
says that the planning zoning

2697
01:22:19,214 --> 01:22:20,849
commission and the council will

2698
01:22:20,849 --> 01:22:22,217
consider the the extent to.

2699
01:22:22,217 --> 01:22:23,719
>> which. The application meets

2700
01:22:23,719 --> 01:22:24,720
the following and then it's got

2701
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,855
five bullets that I won't read

2702
01:22:26,855 --> 01:22:28,357
out. Um, but I think this only

2703
01:22:28,357 --> 01:22:30,359
really meets two of those um,

2704
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:31,827
in that it's similar to the

2705
01:22:31,827 --> 01:22:33,950
current uses uh, and that it

2706
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:35,970
doesn't inhibit a future

2707
01:22:35,970 --> 01:22:36,599
development to be uh more

2708
01:22:36,599 --> 01:22:38,833
intense but it doesn't really

2709
01:22:38,833 --> 01:22:40,336
meet the purpose or the goals

2710
01:22:40,336 --> 01:22:42,338
of the tod. Right. That's to be

2711
01:22:42,338 --> 01:22:43,840
a walkable mixed use space and

2712
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,707
this is a very small thing. So

2713
01:22:44,707 --> 01:22:45,842
that's why I still think this

2714
01:22:45,842 --> 01:22:47,710
is a great idea. I'm still in

2715
01:22:47,710 --> 01:22:49,212
support of this. Uh, but I will

2716
01:22:49,212 --> 01:22:50,713
make that statement of how this

2717
01:22:50,713 --> 01:22:51,981
doesn't necessarily meet those

2718
01:22:51,981 --> 01:22:54,584
five goals at least that are

2719
01:22:54,584 --> 01:22:56,850
listed out in the memo. Uh, but

2720
01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:57,487
that's it. Thank you guys so

2721
01:22:57,487 --> 01:22:59,487
much. Thank you.

2722
01:23:00,957 --> 01:23:02,225
>> I forgot to ask do we have

2723
01:23:02,225 --> 01:23:04,360
any other any cards or

2724
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:05,728
anything. People I was the only

2725
01:23:05,728 --> 01:23:09,328
one anybody else who would like

2726
01:23:09,599 --> 01:23:12,836
to speak on this item? All

2727
01:23:12,836 --> 01:23:14,104
right. Seeing nobody else to

2728
01:23:14,104 --> 01:23:16,606
come forward, we will, uh,

2729
01:23:16,606 --> 01:23:19,342
close the public hearing and,

2730
01:23:19,342 --> 01:23:21,742
uh, now, commissioners, before

2731
01:23:22,112 --> 01:23:22,812
I ask for a motion, do you have

2732
01:23:22,812 --> 01:23:23,580
any clarifying questions or

2733
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:25,580
requests for. Additional

2734
01:23:26,349 --> 01:23:27,984
information? All right. Now

2735
01:23:27,984 --> 01:23:32,184
we'll call for a motion on item

2736
01:23:33,223 --> 01:23:37,423
c two. I move that we approve

2737
01:23:42,231 --> 01:23:45,831
cc 26 0173. Is uh with the uh

2738
01:23:46,236 --> 01:23:48,972
addition of or the exception of

2739
01:23:48,972 --> 01:23:51,972
1200ft instead of a thousand.

2740
01:23:53,711 --> 01:23:54,478
I'll second. All right. We got

2741
01:23:54,478 --> 01:23:58,780
a motion from cheryl, a second

2742
01:23:58,582 --> 01:24:00,840
from mike. Uh.

2743
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:01,986
>> actually I had.

2744
01:24:01,986 --> 01:24:03,721
>> a question about like maybe

2745
01:24:03,721 --> 01:24:06,721
a friendly amendment to the

2746
01:24:06,724 --> 01:24:09,226
motion to kind of, uh, limit

2747
01:24:09,226 --> 01:24:11,729
the retail kind of activity,

2748
01:24:11,729 --> 01:24:13,965
um, and keep it more of as a

2749
01:24:13,965 --> 01:24:15,990
manufacturing use and if any of

2750
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:18,990
that changes, they'd have to

2751
01:24:18,835 --> 01:24:20,104
come back. All right, let me uh

2752
01:24:20,104 --> 01:24:21,239
we I know we had a meeting

2753
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:23,474
about. Robert's rules of. Order

2754
01:24:23,474 --> 01:24:25,476
once, so so she's motion we've

2755
01:24:25,476 --> 01:24:28,213
got a motion and now we have an

2756
01:24:28,213 --> 01:24:28,980
a proposed amendment. So when

2757
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:30,849
do I do which.

2758
01:24:30,849 --> 01:24:32,984
>> on that. Even do that? Yeah.

2759
01:24:32,984 --> 01:24:34,986
>> when when can we uh yeah.

2760
01:24:34,986 --> 01:24:35,587
>> the motion has been made and

2761
01:24:35,587 --> 01:24:37,880
seconded. Um.

2762
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:38,355
>> the friendly amendment can

2763
01:24:38,355 --> 01:24:38,723
be offered in the. Person that

2764
01:24:38,723 --> 01:24:39,858
made the.

2765
01:24:39,858 --> 01:24:40,458
>> motion. And can accept that

2766
01:24:40,458 --> 01:24:41,860
amendment and.

2767
01:24:41,860 --> 01:24:43,728
>> uh, the person that second

2768
01:24:43,728 --> 01:24:45,730
and can agree with that. Um and

2769
01:24:45,730 --> 01:24:45,996
just my. Understanding of it um

2770
01:24:45,996 --> 01:24:47,980
and.

2771
01:24:47,980 --> 01:24:48,333
>> if they don't agree with

2772
01:24:48,333 --> 01:24:48,800
that then the amendment can be

2773
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:49,468
added to the.

2774
01:24:49,468 --> 01:24:50,735
>> motion..

2775
01:24:50,735 --> 01:24:51,736
>> but if they agree with the

2776
01:24:51,736 --> 01:24:53,738
amendment and then then it can

2777
01:24:53,738 --> 01:24:54,972
be. Added to the motion. And I

2778
01:24:54,972 --> 01:24:56,475
think during discussion you can

2779
01:24:56,475 --> 01:24:58,210
like add and then we have to

2780
01:24:58,210 --> 01:25:00,979
vote on vote on those things

2781
01:25:00,979 --> 01:25:01,847
and then. Not I don't. Think

2782
01:25:01,847 --> 01:25:02,714
you have to vote on the.

2783
01:25:02,714 --> 01:25:03,348
Amendment but if it's a

2784
01:25:03,348 --> 01:25:03,815
friendly amendment the.

2785
01:25:03,815 --> 01:25:05,815
Amendment yeah.

2786
01:25:06,717 --> 01:25:08,220
>> but I have a question though

2787
01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:09,988
you said like for instance with

2788
01:25:09,988 --> 01:25:13,588
the zoning the tabc took over.

2789
01:25:13,725 --> 01:25:14,727
Can we even control that like

2790
01:25:14,727 --> 01:25:17,127
restricting where there's not

2791
01:25:18,964 --> 01:25:20,466
retail? Because that's what

2792
01:25:20,466 --> 01:25:22,968
you're asking right? Yeah. So

2793
01:25:22,968 --> 01:25:24,470
can we say only manufacturing

2794
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:26,972
and not retail because if we

2795
01:25:26,972 --> 01:25:29,972
can't do that for zoning

2796
01:25:33,646 --> 01:25:36,460
there's no sense in.

2797
01:25:38,584 --> 01:25:40,584
Uh winery

2798
01:25:41,354 --> 01:25:42,855
permit under. Tabc allows the

2799
01:25:42,855 --> 01:25:44,591
holder of the permit to

2800
01:25:44,591 --> 01:25:46,860
manufacture bottle label and

2801
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:48,861
package. Wine containing not

2802
01:25:48,861 --> 01:25:50,596
more than 20%. Alcohol by

2803
01:25:50,596 --> 01:25:52,996
volume. Uh. Manufacture fruit

2804
01:25:53,366 --> 01:25:55,602
brandy, sell. Wine to ultimate

2805
01:25:55,602 --> 01:25:57,336
customers. Um for consumption

2806
01:25:57,336 --> 01:25:59,339
on the premises or if and

2807
01:25:59,339 --> 01:26:01,739
broken packages off premises.

2808
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,843
Um sell the wine outside the

2809
01:26:03,843 --> 01:26:05,111
state blend wines. Dispense

2810
01:26:05,111 --> 01:26:07,347
free wine for consumption on

2811
01:26:07,347 --> 01:26:09,516
the premises. Um purchase and

2812
01:26:09,516 --> 01:26:10,850
import folders. Um purchase.

2813
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:12,850
>> and import wine from the

2814
01:26:12,850 --> 01:26:13,587
holder of a nonresidential

2815
01:26:13,587 --> 01:26:15,987
seller's permit. That's a

2816
01:26:15,989 --> 01:26:17,357
different thing. Um, and.

2817
01:26:17,357 --> 01:26:19,920
>> they MAY conduct samplings

2818
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,920
and tasting at a retailers

2819
01:26:22,596 --> 01:26:24,364
business. And sell wine to

2820
01:26:24,364 --> 01:26:25,232
ultimate consumers for

2821
01:26:25,232 --> 01:26:26,466
consumption on or off the

2822
01:26:26,466 --> 01:26:27,601
premises and dispense free wine

2823
01:26:27,601 --> 01:26:28,602
for consumption. Off and.

2824
01:26:28,602 --> 01:26:30,604
>> on the premises. Um.

2825
01:26:30,604 --> 01:26:31,972
>> so there are some allowances

2826
01:26:31,972 --> 01:26:33,607
it looks like at least on that

2827
01:26:33,607 --> 01:26:34,842
brief reading of the. Permit

2828
01:26:34,842 --> 01:26:36,843
requirements and or tbc that

2829
01:26:36,843 --> 01:26:38,612
they are allowed under that uh

2830
01:26:38,612 --> 01:26:40,848
under that permit to be able to

2831
01:26:40,848 --> 01:26:43,717
sell. Um that. To customers on

2832
01:26:43,717 --> 01:26:44,117
the premises. So you could go

2833
01:26:44,117 --> 01:26:45,853
in and buy.

2834
01:26:45,853 --> 01:26:47,870
>> a bottle at the. Site under

2835
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:48,990
that permit. Okay.

2836
01:26:48,990 --> 01:26:50,957
>> so we can't I mean there's

2837
01:26:50,957 --> 01:26:53,227
no point in doing the amendment

2838
01:26:53,227 --> 01:26:53,494
because we can't enforce that.

2839
01:26:53,494 --> 01:26:55,463
Um.

2840
01:26:55,463 --> 01:26:56,230
>> I don't know if adding a

2841
01:26:56,230 --> 01:26:57,465
restriction that prohibits

2842
01:26:57,465 --> 01:26:58,733
retail sales on the site would

2843
01:26:58,733 --> 01:26:59,634
be anything that we'd be able

2844
01:26:59,634 --> 01:27:00,968
to. Enforce.

2845
01:27:00,968 --> 01:27:02,837
>> uh, since that would be

2846
01:27:02,837 --> 01:27:03,738
permitted by the. Permit, you

2847
01:27:03,738 --> 01:27:04,500
MAY have. Something you want

2848
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:06,500
to.

2849
01:27:09,343 --> 01:27:10,344
>> add to that to. I was just

2850
01:27:10,344 --> 01:27:11,479
going to remind everybody that

2851
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:12,613
this isn't like final action on

2852
01:27:12,613 --> 01:27:13,480
this item. It still has to go

2853
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:14,714
before the city council. And so

2854
01:27:14,714 --> 01:27:15,616
I think we have a couple of

2855
01:27:15,616 --> 01:27:16,484
avenues if there's something

2856
01:27:16,484 --> 01:27:17,718
that you recommend as part of

2857
01:27:17,718 --> 01:27:18,987
your motion that we determine

2858
01:27:18,987 --> 01:27:20,221
uh through kind of legal

2859
01:27:20,221 --> 01:27:22,223
counsel or for whatever reason

2860
01:27:22,223 --> 01:27:23,858
that is not appropriate, we can

2861
01:27:23,858 --> 01:27:24,959
make that uh, disclaimer to the

2862
01:27:24,959 --> 01:27:27,462
city council kind of give them

2863
01:27:27,462 --> 01:27:28,595
that advice. Uh, additionally,

2864
01:27:28,595 --> 01:27:29,731
if you wanted to make a motion

2865
01:27:29,731 --> 01:27:30,965
without that we can certainly

2866
01:27:30,965 --> 01:27:32,467
share that feedback with the

2867
01:27:32,467 --> 01:27:33,368
city council to ask if they

2868
01:27:33,368 --> 01:27:34,836
would like to include it in

2869
01:27:34,836 --> 01:27:37,105
their motion, um, assuming that

2870
01:27:37,105 --> 01:27:38,607
it's appropriate to do so. So I

2871
01:27:38,607 --> 01:27:39,608
just wanted to kind of remind

2872
01:27:39,608 --> 01:27:40,742
you we still have another

2873
01:27:40,742 --> 01:27:41,610
meeting and an opportunity to

2874
01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:43,345
kind of where this. Is only.

2875
01:27:43,345 --> 01:27:44,713
>> a recommendation. Council

2876
01:27:44,713 --> 01:27:46,480
will. Approve or.

2877
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:47,481
>> if you made a recommendation

2878
01:27:47,481 --> 01:27:48,617
and there was something that we

2879
01:27:48,617 --> 01:27:49,851
felt like was going to be a

2880
01:27:49,851 --> 01:27:51,586
problem from a legal standpoint

2881
01:27:51,586 --> 01:27:52,354
or was going to maybe the

2882
01:27:52,354 --> 01:27:53,488
applicant has some time to

2883
01:27:53,488 --> 01:27:54,623
think about it that it might

2884
01:27:54,623 --> 01:27:56,491
impact their business in some

2885
01:27:56,491 --> 01:27:57,359
manner. We could certainly kind

2886
01:27:57,359 --> 01:27:58,359
of bring that up with the city

2887
01:27:58,359 --> 01:28:01,959
council at the meeting in a

2888
01:28:02,231 --> 01:28:03,966
couple of weeks. So I hear you

2889
01:28:03,966 --> 01:28:05,734
saying you don't want to amend

2890
01:28:05,734 --> 01:28:08,236
your motion. I guess. I'm just

2891
01:28:08,236 --> 01:28:09,972
confused if we so are you

2892
01:28:09,972 --> 01:28:11,974
saying we should do it even

2893
01:28:11,974 --> 01:28:14,209
though the pbc would say are

2894
01:28:14,209 --> 01:28:16,477
you saying pass it as it is and

2895
01:28:16,477 --> 01:28:17,746
you talked to legal and I

2896
01:28:17,746 --> 01:28:18,981
think. She's because they

2897
01:28:18,981 --> 01:28:21,217
there's a couple they don't

2898
01:28:21,217 --> 01:28:22,717
tell us what to motion I guess

2899
01:28:22,717 --> 01:28:26,222
but she's saying if we want to

2900
01:28:26,222 --> 01:28:27,990
we can but if if uh the legal

2901
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:29,992
opinion is that that doesn't

2902
01:28:29,992 --> 01:28:31,930
really fly or council decides

2903
01:28:31,930 --> 01:28:31,960
they don't want to they can

2904
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,229
they can always change it

2905
01:28:33,229 --> 01:28:35,231
whenever they. Okay I just

2906
01:28:35,231 --> 01:28:36,966
withdraw my amendment because

2907
01:28:36,966 --> 01:28:38,600
it's getting too confusing and

2908
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,602
I don't have an issue. I was

2909
01:28:40,602 --> 01:28:43,372
only trying to address the

2910
01:28:43,372 --> 01:28:46,372
neighbors concerns about it and

2911
01:28:46,609 --> 01:28:47,744
that was my. Attempt at kind of

2912
01:28:47,744 --> 01:28:49,112
addressing that. And I don't

2913
01:28:49,112 --> 01:28:50,980
have an issue with the use of

2914
01:28:50,980 --> 01:28:52,715
they want to do that and it's

2915
01:28:52,715 --> 01:28:53,983
after hours. There's a plenty

2916
01:28:53,983 --> 01:28:56,860
of parking that's not a big

2917
01:28:56,860 --> 01:29:00,286
issue but so I'm just going to

2918
01:29:01,591 --> 01:29:04,861
withdraw. So we have a motion

2919
01:29:04,861 --> 01:29:06,863
from cheryl a second from mike

2920
01:29:06,863 --> 01:29:08,597
I was as susie was about two

2921
01:29:08,597 --> 01:29:11,368
seconds so got into discussion.

2922
01:29:11,368 --> 01:29:14,368
So now any discussion. All

2923
01:29:14,604 --> 01:29:16,340
right thank you. First of all

2924
01:29:16,340 --> 01:29:17,340
I'm just saying this because

2925
01:29:17,340 --> 01:29:19,241
I've been trying to process

2926
01:29:19,241 --> 01:29:22,241
this whole thing. Okay what.

2927
01:29:22,746 --> 01:29:24,715
The meter. Is not it is not a

2928
01:29:24,715 --> 01:29:25,982
taproom. It is not a wine bar.

2929
01:29:25,982 --> 01:29:26,849
It's not a place where people

2930
01:29:26,849 --> 01:29:28,986
are going to be going and

2931
01:29:28,986 --> 01:29:30,487
having a party, okay? It's

2932
01:29:30,487 --> 01:29:31,588
going to be a place where this

2933
01:29:31,588 --> 01:29:33,357
gentleman who lives in our

2934
01:29:33,357 --> 01:29:35,359
community wants to manufacture

2935
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:38,359
some meat meadery wine made

2936
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,865
with honey using. Local people

2937
01:29:41,865 --> 01:29:43,601
in our community to buy his

2938
01:29:43,601 --> 01:29:45,368
herbs and his honey. I mean

2939
01:29:45,368 --> 01:29:48,368
what a great culture that.

2940
01:29:49,106 --> 01:29:50,608
Promotes holy cow I love it. It

2941
01:29:50,608 --> 01:29:51,841
is not it. We have to

2942
01:29:51,841 --> 01:29:53,344
understand the difference

2943
01:29:53,344 --> 01:29:55,112
between a wine bar and a

2944
01:29:55,112 --> 01:29:57,114
tasting. A tasting less than a

2945
01:29:57,114 --> 01:29:58,982
half an ounce is to see if you

2946
01:29:58,982 --> 01:30:01,986
like it and want to buy it by

2947
01:30:01,986 --> 01:30:04,222
the bottle. He's not selling by

2948
01:30:04,222 --> 01:30:05,990
the glass. I think that's the

2949
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:07,724
hang up here. Okay, that's my

2950
01:30:07,724 --> 01:30:10,228
opinion. I like the idea that

2951
01:30:10,228 --> 01:30:11,729
it is local using local um it

2952
01:30:11,729 --> 01:30:14,732
does bring a sense of culture

2953
01:30:14,732 --> 01:30:16,367
that you know yes. It's not

2954
01:30:16,367 --> 01:30:18,470
walkability as far as a tod but

2955
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:19,103
me and this is a start this.

2956
01:30:19,103 --> 01:30:21,103
>> is a.

2957
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:23,240
>> this is a huge start. It's a

2958
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,640
small place 1200 square feet

2959
01:30:26,243 --> 01:30:27,478
with 600ft. We have to think

2960
01:30:27,478 --> 01:30:29,714
realistically what this looks

2961
01:30:29,714 --> 01:30:32,217
like. It's it's not it's at the

2962
01:30:32,217 --> 01:30:34,486
end of the building. It's

2963
01:30:34,486 --> 01:30:35,987
there. It's not going to be a

2964
01:30:35,987 --> 01:30:37,355
place that hundreds of people

2965
01:30:37,355 --> 01:30:38,490
are going to be coming to on a

2966
01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:40,725
daily basis. That's not his

2967
01:30:40,725 --> 01:30:42,227
intent. He explained his intent

2968
01:30:42,227 --> 01:30:44,863
what he wants to do, he wants

2969
01:30:44,863 --> 01:30:47,990
to make some mean and give it

2970
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:50,369
to some people. Not a lot of

2971
01:30:50,369 --> 01:30:51,602
people, some people. So I think

2972
01:30:51,602 --> 01:30:54,106
we need to be realistic and

2973
01:30:54,106 --> 01:30:56,842
thinking about that. Um and

2974
01:30:56,842 --> 01:30:58,611
then um. If he was wanting to

2975
01:30:58,611 --> 01:30:59,745
have some kind of big retail he

2976
01:30:59,745 --> 01:31:01,714
would have chosen a different

2977
01:31:01,714 --> 01:31:03,982
location. He wants to

2978
01:31:03,982 --> 01:31:05,484
manufacture it there. So I

2979
01:31:05,484 --> 01:31:07,884
think it's wonderful. Thank

2980
01:31:11,223 --> 01:31:12,992
you. You know, we might.

2981
01:31:12,992 --> 01:31:15,227
>> have some. People watching

2982
01:31:15,227 --> 01:31:16,962
for the next vote but uh. My

2983
01:31:16,962 --> 01:31:17,863
only problem I know. We talked

2984
01:31:17,863 --> 01:31:18,497
about restrictions and I was.

2985
01:31:18,497 --> 01:31:19,164
>> off the table.

2986
01:31:19,164 --> 01:31:20,965
>> my only problem.

2987
01:31:20,965 --> 01:31:23,365
>> with restrictions is. Uh.

2988
01:31:24,237 --> 01:31:25,404
>> it could handicap. You if,

2989
01:31:25,404 --> 01:31:26,339
uh, in a way that if somebody.

2990
01:31:26,339 --> 01:31:28,741
Comes in and says hey, I'm

2991
01:31:28,741 --> 01:31:29,142
about to go to a wedding. Uh, I

2992
01:31:29,142 --> 01:31:30,476
want to I.

2993
01:31:30,476 --> 01:31:31,611
>> want to buy four bottles of

2994
01:31:31,611 --> 01:31:32,845
this, but I want to taste it

2995
01:31:32,845 --> 01:31:33,845
first. Um, you know, those are

2996
01:31:33,845 --> 01:31:35,114
the unintended consequences we

2997
01:31:35,114 --> 01:31:36,616
don't want to put anybody in.

2998
01:31:36,616 --> 01:31:37,984
Uh, so I thought the

2999
01:31:37,984 --> 01:31:39,218
presentation was great. Uh.

3000
01:31:39,218 --> 01:31:41,988
>> I think a business plan is

3001
01:31:41,988 --> 01:31:42,989
great. So. Uh, that was that.

3002
01:31:42,989 --> 01:31:43,256
>> was my only concern with

3003
01:31:43,256 --> 01:31:45,256
the.

3004
01:31:46,226 --> 01:31:47,494
>> uh. With, uh. Adding some

3005
01:31:47,494 --> 01:31:48,495
restrictions on there. I just

3006
01:31:48,495 --> 01:31:49,996
don't want put you in a

3007
01:31:49,996 --> 01:31:52,996
position where it might cause

3008
01:31:56,536 --> 01:31:57,971
some some problems.

3009
01:31:57,971 --> 01:31:59,971
Yeah.

3010
01:32:00,974 --> 01:32:03,743
>> I, uh I mean. Uh.

3011
01:32:03,743 --> 01:32:07,343
>> similar as far as on the

3012
01:32:07,714 --> 01:32:09,482
motion the the uh I get where

3013
01:32:09,482 --> 01:32:11,484
you're coming from and I think

3014
01:32:11,484 --> 01:32:13,220
it was worth looking at. Um,

3015
01:32:13,220 --> 01:32:14,988
but also do you think there's

3016
01:32:14,988 --> 01:32:16,490
going to be some difficulty

3017
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:18,890
with enforceability and then

3018
01:32:19,493 --> 01:32:20,994
also I think any time we we do

3019
01:32:20,994 --> 01:32:21,996
things we always want to make

3020
01:32:21,996 --> 01:32:24,396
sure of the unintended

3021
01:32:24,498 --> 01:32:26,733
consequences. Um, when we got

3022
01:32:26,733 --> 01:32:28,235
the packet last week I mean I

3023
01:32:28,235 --> 01:32:30,237
had a lot of similar concerns

3024
01:32:30,237 --> 01:32:31,739
to what was expressed in those

3025
01:32:31,739 --> 01:32:32,740
emails as far as kind of not

3026
01:32:32,740 --> 01:32:35,140
knowing exactly what was

3027
01:32:35,241 --> 01:32:37,978
involved. Um, with the whole

3028
01:32:37,978 --> 01:32:39,246
uh, playing here um, the

3029
01:32:39,246 --> 01:32:41,215
distance from the school I

3030
01:32:41,215 --> 01:32:42,717
didn't even think about the um

3031
01:32:42,717 --> 01:32:45,117
the convenience stores actually

3032
01:32:45,219 --> 01:32:47,221
being, you know, half as close

3033
01:32:47,221 --> 01:32:49,490
uh, and then and then kind of

3034
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:52,726
hearing the nature of it um, in

3035
01:32:52,726 --> 01:32:55,997
terms of uh that this is not

3036
01:32:55,997 --> 01:32:57,999
necessarily a retail uh,

3037
01:32:57,999 --> 01:32:59,600
establishment. Um, does does it

3038
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:00,735
seem to change it? Did you seem

3039
01:33:00,735 --> 01:33:03,738
like a guy that just really

3040
01:33:03,738 --> 01:33:06,240
likes me and uh, like uh, as

3041
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,476
this is developing um, I mean,

3042
01:33:08,476 --> 01:33:09,978
you almost were saying it's not

3043
01:33:09,978 --> 01:33:11,479
as much of a financial ambition

3044
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,615
even is just you're going to

3045
01:33:13,615 --> 01:33:14,982
kind of see this thing, you

3046
01:33:14,982 --> 01:33:18,485
know, see what you can do with

3047
01:33:18,485 --> 01:33:19,988
it. And uh, and so I think as

3048
01:33:19,988 --> 01:33:21,356
far as this user uh, there's

3049
01:33:21,356 --> 01:33:22,723
that and I think the way this

3050
01:33:22,723 --> 01:33:23,591
is structured from what we were

3051
01:33:23,591 --> 01:33:24,920
talking about in the work

3052
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,920
session as far.

3053
01:33:26,227 --> 01:33:28,997
>> as. Um it's not something

3054
01:33:28,997 --> 01:33:30,232
where. Uh somebody else could

3055
01:33:30,232 --> 01:33:32,234
come in under this development

3056
01:33:32,234 --> 01:33:35,237
plan and and then change it

3057
01:33:35,237 --> 01:33:36,471
into a wine bar or um,

3058
01:33:36,471 --> 01:33:37,740
something that that's more

3059
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:38,473
like, uh what would be

3060
01:33:38,473 --> 01:33:40,473
detrimental to that

3061
01:33:41,243 --> 01:33:42,978
neighborhood but um so I do

3062
01:33:42,978 --> 01:33:46,481
feel a lot better about it now

3063
01:33:46,481 --> 01:33:48,717
but um, I don't see any other

3064
01:33:48,717 --> 01:33:50,252
lights but we'll we'll do one

3065
01:33:50,252 --> 01:33:53,252
more ask if there's any

3066
01:33:53,722 --> 01:33:55,724
comments or discussion. All

3067
01:33:55,724 --> 01:33:59,924
right so I will call for the

3068
01:34:01,763 --> 01:34:02,998
vote.

3069
01:34:02,998 --> 01:34:04,998
Yeah.

3070
01:34:13,242 --> 01:34:15,110
>> well well. I. All right and

3071
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:17,246
the recommendation for approval

3072
01:34:17,246 --> 01:34:19,646
with conditions regarding the

3073
01:34:20,483 --> 01:34:22,251
square footage um passes and

3074
01:34:22,251 --> 01:34:25,487
that will go to council on

3075
01:34:25,487 --> 01:34:27,991
SEPTEMBER 14th. Um with that

3076
01:34:27,991 --> 01:34:28,624
this concludes tonight's agenda

3077
01:34:28,624 --> 01:34:31,624
and there being no other

3078
01:34:36,399 --> 01:34:38,799
business we are adjourned.