1 00:00:04,020 --> 00:00:11,460 All right, take a big mouthful. I'd like to welcome everyone to our work session for our August 18th, 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:20,120 2026, city council meeting. Our first item is presentation and consideration of accepting 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:27,840 the results of the South Davis Greenway feasibility study. And they know we have a chemical horn 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,240 up here as well as Sherry, are you going to do this? 5 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,860 Allie, I'll give you just a little bit of guidance here. 6 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:43,000 You're really going to have to work hard to get Ted on board with a list. 7 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:46,400 Yeah, that's a heavy lift. I don't know if I can do that. 8 00:00:49,620 --> 00:00:53,060 Okay, so I'll just give a quick introduction of Brent Crowther here. 9 00:00:53,180 --> 00:00:56,680 He's on our trails and active transportation committee, 10 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,880 but he also is representing us wearing a different hat tonight of working for 11 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:08,960 Kim Lee Horne who is the consultant who has been working with us for the last 11 months on the South Davis Greenway Feasibility Study. 12 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:15,300 I think we've brought this to you before, but it's been, we've been working collaboratively with 13 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:21,900 Bountiful Center Bill, Farmington, North Salt Lake, WFRC, YSET Front Regional Council, 14 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:26,680 and other project partners to conduct the study, U.T.A. 15 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:27,780 Those kind of partners. 16 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,680 And then with the guidance of a project management team, 17 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,540 and the steering committee that included city staff, 18 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,140 and members of the City Council Planning Commission, 19 00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:39,180 and the Trails and Active Transportation Committee, 20 00:01:39,780 --> 00:01:43,720 the consultants worked to find the best alignment for the South Davis Greenway 21 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:44,940 and South Davis County. 22 00:01:45,740 --> 00:01:50,580 We've also reached out to the public, including a project website, 23 00:01:50,580 --> 00:01:56,680 flyers delivered door-to-door along the alignment, signs and sidewalk decals along the alignment, 24 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,880 a project display at the South Davis Rec Center and a demonstration event at Bountiful City Park. 25 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:10,900 So this is just a feasibility study to find the alignment and a basic cross-section. It does not 26 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:17,520 involve any financial contribution at this point to accept the results of the study. 27 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:23,460 So the next steps would be to get funding for the engineered design and the construction 28 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:28,280 of the greenway which could primarily, we're primarily seeking funds through the Utah 29 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:28,940 trail network. 30 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,680 And so with that, Brent with Kim Lee Horne will be presenting the results of the study 31 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,200 to the council. 32 00:02:39,230 --> 00:02:39,330 Great. 33 00:02:39,530 --> 00:02:42,270 Thank you, Mary council, for having me here today. 34 00:02:42,810 --> 00:02:47,530 Just do a brief overview of the purpose of the study that we've been conducting. 35 00:02:47,530 --> 00:02:54,430 It is, as Ali mentioned, a collaborative between the four South Davis communities to identify 36 00:02:54,430 --> 00:02:59,450 what that alignment and the feasibility and the cost of a new trail. 37 00:03:00,450 --> 00:03:03,170 The green wave does fill that critical gap. 38 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:06,070 You can think of the legacy trail on the west side of I-15. 39 00:03:06,610 --> 00:03:13,250 But there is no such continuous separated facility on the east side of I-15 to provide that 40 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:21,110 recreational commuting facility for people who enjoy walking, bicycling, families on the 41 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:26,250 way to work, et cetera, so that the purpose of that study was to establish that basic concept 42 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:33,370 design and then really prepare the information needed to advance the study for consideration 43 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:38,330 by the Utah Trail Network and other funding sources to be constructed. 44 00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:41,690 So, as a reminder, what is a greenway? 45 00:03:42,290 --> 00:03:48,170 It is a dedicated, shared-use path designed to support all modes of active transportation 46 00:03:48,170 --> 00:03:54,210 walking, bicycling, rolling, rollerblading, wheelchairs, scooters, et cetera. 47 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:56,030 And it can be for all purposes. 48 00:03:56,330 --> 00:04:01,470 We don't want to just make this facility for commuting or just for recreation, but it's 49 00:04:01,470 --> 00:04:04,670 anybody who desires to utilize the facility. 50 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:13,090 It is comfortable separated from traffic, so it's different from a traditional bike lane that's on street like you currently have an orchard drive. 51 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:21,730 There's a white line that separates vehicle traffic from the through traffic, but this is physically separated would be above the curb. 52 00:04:22,030 --> 00:04:30,030 And so it provides an enhanced comfort, enhanced separation, enhanced feeling of safety for people of all ages and abilities. 53 00:04:30,030 --> 00:04:33,930 these children all the way up to seniors. 54 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:38,170 It can be enhanced with other amenities, landscaping, 55 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:39,430 streetscaping, et cetera. 56 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:43,290 It doesn't always have to be lush and green. 57 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:47,770 It's not reasonable here in the desert climate to do that, 58 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:51,530 but perhaps nodes have more focused landscaping 59 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:55,550 to make it attractive and pretty to the needs 60 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:56,630 of each community. 61 00:04:56,630 --> 00:05:02,810 These two slides are examples of shared use pass that we have in Utah. 62 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:06,770 The one on the left is in Provo, along State Street. 63 00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:10,730 And that really is just an asphalt 12 foot shared use path. 64 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:13,970 The one on the right is in Nine Line in Salt Lake City. 65 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:15,350 And this is a concrete. 66 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:22,770 They actually repurposed night south, occupying former wide, very wide ride of way. 67 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:44,890 And much of it looks like just grass and fairly plain, but others are focused, and they actually have a grant now from the Bessos Foundation, I believe, for about $10 million, I think $15 million to come back and plant trees. 68 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:50,870 So it can be phased over time as funding becomes available. 69 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:57,650 The alignment that we've identified working with our steering team is shown here, begins 70 00:05:57,650 --> 00:06:04,350 that Eagle would drive there by the Starbucks and then would head 71 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:08,580 east on Eagle would drive 72 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:15,040 to Orchard Drive and then we would follow Orchard Drive all the way through North Salt Lake 73 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:29,720 and Bountiful over to 2,600 South and at 2,600 South we head straight north along 200 West and Bountiful. 74 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:43,980 I think it's 200 West and Bountiful and they continue all the way over past Bountiful Recreation Center where it transitions the same street to 400 West in Centerville and then continues up to Chase Lane. 75 00:06:43,980 --> 00:07:04,800 and then we had south on Chase Lane to the I-15 Fronted Road and then had north on the I-15 Fronted Road up to State Street in Farmington where that would be the northern terminus of this trail as envisioned today, with possible extensions north into fruit heights in a future phase. 76 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:10,680 I should also point out that the south end near the Starbucks will connect to a new shared use path 77 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:20,420 It's going to be reconstructed as part of the U.I. 15 project and that should be in place in the next few years as 78 00:07:20,420 --> 00:07:22,740 As that project is completed and 79 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,060 Then somebody could ride a bicycle walk 80 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:32,540 block, et cetera, all the way on this separated facility from Farmington to pass Victory 81 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:37,980 Road in Salt Lake City on a separated, high comfort facility. 82 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:44,880 So I'll pause there with any questions about the overall alignment and concept before we 83 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,080 get into some of the details. 84 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:53,750 This is an example of what that cross section could look like. 85 00:07:54,010 --> 00:07:57,410 We are aiming for a 12 foot wide shared use path. 86 00:07:57,410 --> 00:08:00,330 It could be primarily out of asphalt. 87 00:08:00,330 --> 00:08:08,830 It could be also concrete if need be in areas of constrained right of way with. 88 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:13,330 We can go down a little bit, maybe to 10 feet, but our goal is 12 feet. 89 00:08:13,450 --> 00:08:19,930 And for the majority of the alignment that we have here, we're able to accomplish that desired width. 90 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:26,690 And then we have a separated six foot buffer to keep us separated from that traffic lane to provide 91 00:08:26,690 --> 00:08:29,470 that comfort better experience. 92 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:35,340 This is an example of what it could look like here in Norsalt Lake. 93 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,200 This is on Orchard, just south of Center Street. 94 00:08:39,380 --> 00:08:41,700 You can see left in the current condition. 95 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:48,900 And then the trail there on the right would be repurposing the existing bike lane and 96 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:52,020 existing sidewalk into this new shared use path. 97 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:55,660 It's important to emphasize that we don't need any new ride-of-way. 98 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:57,900 This is all with an existing public right-of-way. 99 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,640 We maintain the same number of traffic lanes in North Salt Lake. 100 00:09:03,260 --> 00:09:09,940 So the impacts are with the existing bicycle lane, 101 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,280 which, as you know, is often used for parking, 102 00:09:13,540 --> 00:09:17,440 even though it is a designated bicycle lane in North Salt Lake. 103 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:22,590 This is a walk through the alignment. 104 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:27,070 Hopefully you can see a little bit bigger on your TV screens there, 105 00:09:27,070 --> 00:09:37,230 So you can see there, starting at the Starbucks there coming up to Orchard Drive and then we are on the west side of Orchard Drive through this segment. 106 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:46,590 The blue circles represent driveway crossings. At this feasibility level, we're not into designing every single driveway intersection. 107 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:55,450 But we wanted to accurately represent where those driveway locations would be and so that's what you'll see with the blue circles on this exhibit here. 108 00:09:55,450 --> 00:10:11,010 We do have some segments where there is some grade may need some retaining wall there for segments retaining wall due to the adjacent topography and then potentially some railing if we're to prevent. 109 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:17,630 If we're steeper on on on that west side of the trail. 110 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:22,570 So you can see we continue on, here we approach center street. 111 00:10:23,390 --> 00:10:30,350 And there are some high voltage power lines that we are seeking to avoid, the costs of 112 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:31,230 relocating those. 113 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:37,430 You can see there on the north side of center street, we have an opportunity for a pocket 114 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:42,830 park that's current city on land, so provide a community amenity there. 115 00:10:42,930 --> 00:10:46,710 That's where they currently have the garden area. 116 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:59,610 And then the greenway would cross to the east side of orchard drive and then continue on the east side of drive along orchard drive and you can see there again. 117 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:02,830 We have those driveway intersections there on the east side. 118 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:11,850 We continue again all within existing right of way and repurposing these existing bike lane and really holding the outside edge to the edge of sidewalk. 119 00:11:11,850 --> 00:11:14,550 So we're not impacting the adjacent property. 120 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:19,390 So the outside of the sidewalk represents the east side of the greenway and 121 00:11:19,390 --> 00:11:23,330 we're making the improvements moving curb, etc., to the west. 122 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:30,110 And we continue through North Salt Lake, here to 3,800 South. 123 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:35,150 And then here's about where we begin to transition into the Bountiful Sections. 124 00:11:35,810 --> 00:11:38,170 Almost we pass Eaglewood Drive. 125 00:11:38,930 --> 00:12:03,690 Again, this is an opportunity to make some improvements, the existing high speed turning radius from eastbound orchard drive, northbound orchard drive to eastbound Eaglewood, we would want to modify that so we don't have vehicles and pedestrians conflicting through that high speed turn there. 126 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:07,790 So an opportunity to improve that for pedestrians and bicyclists. 127 00:12:08,390 --> 00:12:12,350 And then we continue on through the remainder of this section here. 128 00:12:12,490 --> 00:12:20,150 We're passing the apartment complex, the old whinegers area, and then continuing on to bountiful. 129 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:25,510 So I'll pause there if any questions about the basic alignment through North Salt Lake. 130 00:12:26,090 --> 00:12:26,870 I have a question. 131 00:12:27,230 --> 00:12:27,790 Thank you for this. 132 00:12:27,890 --> 00:12:29,070 I'm really excited about this project. 133 00:12:29,070 --> 00:12:34,830 Okay, why did you decide to move across orchard and finish the route on the east side? 134 00:12:35,130 --> 00:12:38,850 Yeah, that was in collaboration with our steering committee. 135 00:12:39,450 --> 00:12:49,330 It has to do in Sherry, pardon me, Karen, feel free to chime in any time, but existing 136 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:57,730 right away impacts, utilities, driveways, topography, trying to minimize some of those impacts, 137 00:13:11,070 --> 00:13:14,190 that's the best option was on that east side. 138 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,520 Okay, any other questions? 139 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:22,240 Okay. 140 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,020 I'll share some photos in the end of June. 141 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,740 We held a public meeting at Bountiful City Park. 142 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,380 And this is some of the best options on that east side. 143 00:13:32,380 --> 00:13:38,600 some photos, we had a full demonstration of what that green way might look like there 144 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:45,880 on second west. We have planters and we put out some temporary ballards and some temporary 145 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:52,020 payment markings to represent the width. So you can see the edge of the green way would 146 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:57,740 be where the sidewalk is and then the other side would be where those ballards are to represent 147 00:13:57,740 --> 00:14:02,320 the width of the greenway and how it's not impacting the existing travel lanes. 148 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,600 We had great attendance at the meeting. 149 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:11,340 We had a lot of wind that got to us a little bit and some sprinklers and et cetera, but 150 00:14:11,340 --> 00:14:12,480 it was very well attended. 151 00:14:13,180 --> 00:14:18,580 The majority of comments that we received were positive, of supportive. 152 00:14:19,580 --> 00:14:27,200 I think the most vocal concerns that we heard were from centerville residents related to chase lane alignment. 153 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:33,080 So after our draft report, we worked with Senatorville City and we modified the recommend 154 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,300 an alignment to the north side of Chase Lane instead of the south side of Chase Lane. 155 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,800 And that was based on their interactions with those residents in that area. 156 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:53,540 We recognize that a project of this magnitude can't be done all in one single project or 157 00:14:53,540 --> 00:14:54,340 one single year. 158 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,880 So we separated the project into different phases. 159 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,760 We've called phase zero. 160 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,920 The current project overlap with the I-15 Reconstruction Project. We've been coordinating with 161 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:14,000 with Farmington and Centerville and they've been coordinating with the I-15 team and UDOT 162 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:21,300 with the anticipation that that phase zero would be constructed with the I-15 widening project that 163 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:26,920 is about to begin in the next few months. Then we begin to face- And so that we're reading that 164 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:37,360 correctly that is segment D. Phase zero is segment D. Phase zero is segment D. 165 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:40,800 I 166 00:15:42,980 --> 00:15:47,880 did that with my magic. Would you undo it Ted please? 167 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Yeah so phase zero you 168 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:08,240 can see it's at dark blue segment D representing the overlap with the I-15 169 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:17,300 widening project. And then we go into phase one, which consists of segment A and segment E and segment A is a 170 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:29,360 north-salt lake to 2600 south. And then segment E is along state street, pardon me, along 400 west in 171 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:37,340 Farmington between the I-15 fronted road and state street. And we recommended those of the first phases 172 00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:41,900 because the one in Farmington connects to the I-15 project so we'd have a 173 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:46,720 continuous facility so we don't have a trail that just stops wanted to take 174 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,580 advantage of that and then similarly the North Salt Lake segment would connect 175 00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:57,340 into the improved I-15 trail at the south end so we you can view it as we have the 176 00:16:57,340 --> 00:17:06,610 trails at the ends and we're moving to the center and phase two is segment C 177 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:31,570 We represent 400 North near the South Davis Recreation Center, north to Chaselaine where it would connect in the I-15, so we continue extending the green way to the South, and then phase three completes the gap, and that's primarily in Bountiful from 2600 South to 4th North South Davis Recreation Center. 178 00:17:35,550 --> 00:17:36,690 Any questions there? 179 00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:46,190 I have a, just out of curiosity, what is the anticipated timeline between phases? 180 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:50,520 It all comes down to funding. 181 00:17:51,220 --> 00:18:00,060 It could be as quick as just one year, this potentially would be programmed by the Utah Trail Network. 182 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,080 They have about 50 million a year to program for projects statewide. 183 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:11,720 And so they go through a process each spring of selecting which projects they want to program each project is 184 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:19,480 Generally it's this year is a little bit bigger, but it seems like it's somewhere between eight and fifteen million dollars per project 185 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,760 And so you'll see some cost estimates here later that that that shows how we would recommend 186 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:30,280 But could be annually, but could be a couple of years in between as well 187 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,280 That would just depend on the the programming dollars by by you dot in Utah trail network 188 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:48,790 I'll do a super quick add on that that I don't know this but my thinking is that the Utah 189 00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:58,250 Trail Network programming would look super favorably on this because it's connecting into pieces 190 00:18:58,250 --> 00:19:03,570 segment D south of the southern part that are already going to happen. 191 00:19:03,570 --> 00:19:13,810 So, it's got, it has this really powerful connecting aspect to it, and then secondarily, 192 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:19,270 it happens to serve the state's biggest commuting destination in Salt Lake City. 193 00:19:19,930 --> 00:19:28,050 So, utility-wise, it has huge pluses, and then it just has that advantage of already having 194 00:19:28,050 --> 00:19:31,830 a head start and parts of it getting built without us doing anything. 195 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:32,490 We 196 00:19:36,170 --> 00:19:54,090 were at the Utah bicycle summit earlier today, and I listened to presentation from the Rails to Trails Program National Organization, and they talked about how great it is in Utah that we have a dedicated funding source for active transportation and trail projects like this. 197 00:19:54,190 --> 00:20:04,370 It's unique. A lot of states do not have this, and so we're very blessed to have this opportunity before us, and we can begin to contemplate projects like this. 198 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:05,410 This 199 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:39,410 is a summary of what those costs we've estimated cost in both in 2026 dollars and then in the report itself, we project five years out to 2031, recognizing it would need to be phased and you can see their phase zero constructed with the I-15 project and then phase one segments A and E, you can see their combined cost of that total construction cost. 200 00:20:39,410 --> 00:20:42,310 cost, the combined of the 13 million plus a 1 million. 201 00:20:42,670 --> 00:20:50,270 And then what we have broken down is what the pro-rated cost by jurisdiction could be. 202 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:55,830 And the reason we did this is because a lot of the grant applications that communities may receive. 203 00:20:56,250 --> 00:21:00,950 The jurisdictions need to document that in their CIP even though it's funded through other sources. 204 00:21:01,330 --> 00:21:05,130 So this does not mean that North Salt Lake would be asked to find $10 million. 205 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:11,330 dollars, this is purely for accounting purposes and to help with grant and accounting purposes. 206 00:21:11,950 --> 00:21:18,990 Again, we would anticipate the hope is that this trail project would be funded by the Utah 207 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:27,890 Trail Network, which does not require a local match. They do look favorably when jurisdictions bring 208 00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:34,910 matches, but that is not a requirement of the program. So you can see there the total 209 00:21:34,910 --> 00:21:40,470 cost, if it were all constructed in today's dollars, we're about almost $43 million. 210 00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:48,470 Adds about $78 million, projecting that out to 2031 for just under, it's about $50 million 211 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:51,090 for the total project. 212 00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:54,630 Any questions about that? 213 00:21:56,470 --> 00:22:02,990 And I should say that there's a lot of urban complexities with a project like this. 214 00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:09,570 If you go out to a green filled constructing a new trail where there's not existing curb and gutter, 215 00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:16,550 there's not existing utilities or not existing power lines, there's not existing sidewalk needs to be relocated. 216 00:22:16,890 --> 00:22:19,550 Those all add to the complexity of moving curb. 217 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:28,570 We have included costs in here of restoring the asphalt to after the trail is moved out and cut. 218 00:22:29,050 --> 00:22:32,150 You get some grade differentials after years of paving. 219 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:40,430 You get some crown in the road, they need to be fixed, so we have assumed conservative estimates to account for those types of 220 00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:47,450 non-specified costs that will need to be detailed during the engineering process. 221 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:56,790 Brent, I have one more question. I simply don't know the trail system enough, but what happens at the end of the trail when you go south of Norsell Lake? 222 00:22:57,370 --> 00:23:00,790 To victory road, do you just tap into Main Street? 223 00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:13,170 So, it's going south of victory and then there's 100 what it's just, the road just east of Backstreet, it's a neighborhood street 224 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:18,930 I think it's 100 west because if you keep going it goes underneath the salt palace, the one that dips underneath the salt 225 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:20,110 No, it won't go out victory road. 226 00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:29,450 No, it won't go out, it'll cross victory road, continue south and then connect into 100 west which is a, I love riding my bike on 100 west 227 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:31,550 It's it's it's got speed humps 228 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:38,890 The best is when a garbage truck is blocking all the traffic and you're just sailing past a garbage truck and all the trucks 229 00:23:39,610 --> 00:23:41,050 You know with the speed humps 230 00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:46,250 Etc. So it's a great facility to connect into the bicycle network. Thank you 231 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:46,730 Right, 232 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:50,320 I just have one question 233 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,880 So you said that you taught Chelsea when he gets like 50 million a year project 234 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,780 Where do the trails committee get their money like how are they funded? Where does the Utah trail network get their money 235 00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:10,480 It's a legislative allocation, so it was passed into law in 2020, two or three, and it's a dedicated source. 236 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:20,940 It's a redirect of some of the state money that goes to transportation, redirected into a trail specific program. 237 00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:28,510 Any other question? 238 00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:35,280 Okay, so in addition to the Utah Trail Network, there are other funding sources. 239 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,760 I've listed some of those here related to first and last mile. 240 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:46,580 That's really completing network so people who are writing buses have a way to safely get to and from the bus. 241 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:55,680 They have to, UDOT also has a separate act of transportation program that funds projects outside of Utah Trail Network. 242 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,220 And then Davis County has a couple of funding sources referred to as a third quarter and fourth quarter. 243 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:09,700 Those are largely used in Davis County in South Davis County particular discussions with Davis County. 244 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:18,460 Those are largely directed towards active transportation and trail type projects because those are the primary needs outside of new arterials, etc. 245 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,320 And then there's always federal grant opportunities. 246 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,460 So 247 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:35,520 with that, are there any other questions that I can answer about the concept or the funding, etc? 248 00:25:42,530 --> 00:25:47,050 I do have a question just for I guess curiosity sake. 249 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:50,690 When the weather turns bad, does somebody maintain them? 250 00:25:51,530 --> 00:25:52,170 Maintenance. 251 00:25:52,710 --> 00:26:00,650 So the current position of the Utah Department of Transportation is that the trail would be maintained by the local agency. 252 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:06,870 They do like the agencies to commit that they will snow plow it, so it's able to be used year round. 253 00:26:07,290 --> 00:26:11,050 A landscaping would also be a responsibility of the local jurisdiction. 254 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:17,570 It's a policy that is still being worked out and finalized within UDOT. 255 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:23,990 The actual legislation does state that that money, UTN money can be used for maintenance, 256 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:27,070 but they are in a capital focus program right now. 257 00:26:27,070 --> 00:26:32,450 So, whether that changes in the future, it could be that there's additional maintenance funds, 258 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:41,290 but currently their position and the way they've been interacting with local jurisdictions is that maintenance is responsibility of the local jurisdiction. 259 00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:46,100 That's a great question, Tammy. 260 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:57,540 And just to clarify, so that would be city staff that then would clear it with more of like hand snow plows rather than. 261 00:26:57,540 --> 00:27:01,120 I think we could use our big snow plow. 262 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:08,980 In the cities as we've worked as a committee, there may need to be some special equipment that maybe could be purchased collectively. 263 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:22,920 Salt Lake City has small skid steers, if it's a light snow, they just dust it off, it's not even a plow, it's removing the snow. 264 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:34,160 So there are certainly considerations of how the maintenance, how the snow removal, et cetera, and that all these to be worked out as funding is secured and the committees continues to work and we progress through design. 265 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,720 And sorry, I have one more question just on that. 266 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,100 This will be over the top of our superseding a lot of individual sidewalks, correct? 267 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:52,500 It would replace the existing sidewalk where it's present on the west side of 268 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:57,080 Orchard Drive and then the north of center street on the north side of Orchard Drive. 269 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,780 So it would replace the existing sidewalk. 270 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:06,600 Okay, so typically people are responsible for yet don't own and have jurisdiction 271 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,980 over their sidewalk and their park strip, but people typically snowplow their own 272 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:15,180 sidewalks and mo their own park strips. 273 00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:24,100 But the maintenance of the park strip part and then the sidewalk would now be under municipality completely. 274 00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:28,260 Or at least municipal decision making on how you'd like to approach it. 275 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:36,220 It's taking on plowing of a 12 foot shared use path is a bit more than just a four foot sidewalk. 276 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:43,820 talk, and so we would anticipate that there would need to be a higher level of city support 277 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:47,280 for that rather than just relying on the local resident. 278 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,340 Maintenance is something to think through. 279 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,540 Talk about other impacts on parking. 280 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,860 There's the illegal parking that's happening in the bike lane. 281 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,900 We know that couldn't happen anymore. 282 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:07,400 or other parking impacts on the other side of the street 283 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,700 that we should just factor into how we understand 284 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:12,700 how this might unfold. 285 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,200 Yeah, so it does impact parking on one side of the street, 286 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880 on the side of the street on which the trail is. 287 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,560 In some place, depending on the width of the right away, 288 00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:24,000 and that's gonna vary throughout the corridor, 289 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,600 whether it's impacting parking on both sides of the street, 290 00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:29,000 it just depends on the width of that street 291 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,260 and where we are in the corridor. 292 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:37,760 but we generally speaking, except for one segment in Farmington, where they had 293 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:45,080 enough right away to maintain the existing parking, it would impact remove the 294 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:51,900 existing bike lane on that side of the street, which is currently used by people 295 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:56,670 who are parking in that bike lane in North Salt Lake, it's both sides. 296 00:30:09,330 --> 00:30:37,970 I just think it's helpful, if you understand, that we're narrowing the road. The back of the curb has Brent made clear, or the back of the sidewalk is the outside back of the trail, and then we're 12 foot trail, and then a park strip, and then the curb. And so in order to make it fit within the existing right of way, we're essentially taking both shoulder areas that are currently bike lanes, and they're going away. The lane with remains, the traffic safety remains. 297 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:43,290 but there will not be space to park on either side of the road when we're done. 298 00:30:44,110 --> 00:30:47,470 We would have to widen the right of way and that obviously is something that we're doing 299 00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:48,990 everything we can to avoid. 300 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:53,230 And that's for the entire length along the orchard. 301 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,220 Any further questions on this? 302 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:07,020 I do and this is a council question and staff but I appreciate your expertise and I would 303 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:07,580 love your feedback. 304 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,780 I love this idea and I would like more of this. 305 00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:17,400 I would love if Norseult Lake did an adjacent project where we extended a green 306 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,120 way that went west out to legacy along center and along 1100 North. Can you talk 307 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,100 about that as an option like what that would look like if we then made our own 308 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:30,260 little kind of subset project that we want to do this but we also want to do this 309 00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:30,480 west. 310 00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:40,100 I think I had mentioned to you before that this green way concept is 311 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,940 is something that is in our draft general plan 312 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:44,180 that we're working through right now. 313 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:48,480 So the greenway concept in the general plan 314 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,920 would be connector greenways all throughout the city. 315 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,360 So you have kind of a circuit route through the city 316 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,260 and going out of the city in and out of the city as well. 317 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,780 So we'd have this south Davis greenway. 318 00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:04,480 We'd have one potentially up on Eagle Ridge, 319 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,700 Bountiful Boulevard area. 320 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:14,640 We'd have legacy trail and Jordan River Trail and then connecting all of those we would have a trail going along center street 321 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:22,260 Connecting basically you could get from the Jordan River Trail all the way up to the Bonneville Shore Lane Trail on a bike 322 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,800 That's the goal and then also potentially something on 1100 North even in the plan 323 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440 I think there was the option of some type of a 324 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,540 pedestrian cyclist bridge like in the industrial park area coming off of Main Street 325 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,100 to cross over those tracks. 326 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,220 And in the proposal in the general plan, 327 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:43,940 what's the time frame for the trails at West? 328 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,600 I don't think that there's a time frame. 329 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:53,120 I think it's just the general plan time frame 330 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,220 is about 20 years and so it just prioritizes 331 00:32:59,100 --> 00:32:59,900 the different routes. 332 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,300 So the center street one is number one priority 333 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:03,820 on those greenway routes. 334 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,500 So that's like the major trunk line. 335 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:12,520 So my question would be more do we would we need to wait for the general plan to go through its entire review process and be approved before we would move forward? 336 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Like I don't know if we would wait until the general plan has approved to move forward with this. 337 00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:23,540 Could we add this in at the same time frame that we're doing the green way this part of the green way project? 338 00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:34,140 So you're you're saying are we adding the green way project into the general plan or are you saying the other way around and so this green way project isn't part of our general plan per say. 339 00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:40,360 And so I'm thinking this will move forward before the master plan necessarily gets passed. 340 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:46,540 And I would like to not wait for the master plan to get passed and then try to approve the greenway moving out west. 341 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,920 Could we fast track it, I guess, so that it is happening at the same time as the orchard drive greenway is being built? 342 00:33:53,060 --> 00:33:54,640 So is the center street greenway? 343 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:14,800 So best case scenario for funding of our section of the Greenway, of the South Davis Greenway would be they would program it, say we get it on there in January, they would program it and then it would be the following year that they would be funding engineering and construction. 344 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:31,480 Yeah, they'll consider programming somewhere, they usually announce that March or April, and then it has to work its way through the state transportation improvement program, which is approved August essentially when that would become available if it's programmed for next year. 345 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:41,040 So, best case scenario, if we get it programmed for next year, August is when we can start engineering this phase of the South Davis Greenway. 346 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,300 We better have the general plan adopted by next August. 347 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,700 So I don't think it's going to be conflicting timelines at all. 348 00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:52,920 I think they'll dovetail into each other really, really well. 349 00:34:53,380 --> 00:34:53,560 Okay. 350 00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:58,220 And then the green way that's in the general plan, is it similar to this, like, 12 feet? 351 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,240 I don't know that we have a full detail. 352 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520 I don't know that word to that detailed level. 353 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,480 But it would be, yeah, it would be, you know, 10 to 12 feet. 354 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,720 I would say nothing less than 10 feet. 355 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,920 That's great, okay. 356 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:16,540 It might have to vary in some locations, but yeah, thank you. 357 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,560 Question, and Al, I don't go away, but this is the first 358 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,260 school part is directed towards Brant. 359 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,880 What if a city opts out? 360 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:33,680 They just don't get their section built, is that, and 361 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,440 then we have an incomplete system, is that? 362 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,920 Yeah, we're hoping Norset Lake doesn't lead in that way. 363 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,140 No, yeah. 364 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:44,600 But yeah, that is something we've thought about. 365 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,060 And that's part of also the phasing strategy too. 366 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,220 We know we have Farmington part of the I-15 project 367 00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:56,980 and tap into that and then continue from the south. 368 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,980 But if the city did opt out, we would have gaps 369 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,560 that hopefully over time, we would recognize 370 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:09,600 of value of that gap and be able to overcome whatever barriers, you know, perceptions or funding 371 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:17,340 needed to finish that gap but there would be a gap and that would be detrimental to the 372 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:25,120 overall project but I also think that gaps within each city provide utility. For example, 373 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:33,120 somebody going from North Salt Lake south into downtown could use that facility and a gap in 374 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:41,040 Bountiful isn't really going to affect where, and there's also very localized users, recreation, you know, people on walks with our families. 375 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:50,580 If we have gaps, they're not necessarily looking to commute the whole way, but using that facility very locally, which I think is also a great community asset and a better. 376 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,360 Okay. 377 00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:03,620 We've been very aware of that concern from the very beginning, which is why we applied jointly for funding for this project. 378 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:06,380 All four cities have been on board the entire time. 379 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:19,780 We have a steering committee that has members of the city council, the planning commission, any trails committees, city staff from all four cities, and everybody has been on board thus far. 380 00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:34,160 And so with this acceptance tonight of the study, we would then will draft up a letter for you to sign mayor that says that the City Council has accepted and is in support of this project. 381 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:47,720 And then we will get that from every city and put that into the report, which we then will deliver to UDOT for the Utah Trail Network so that they know that we're all moving forward together. 382 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:53,540 And that's been a discussion we've had the entire way through this process is that we all move forward together 383 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:59,260 Because if there's one of us that doesn't do it, it doesn't do it. It doesn't meet the goals of the project 384 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:07,410 So I've been down this road a lot in my public service 385 00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:09,410 We adopt 386 00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:13,250 something you know a concept plan and 387 00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:18,170 Then phase one comes in and we look at it and we 388 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:25,530 But really, the first step tonight says we're going to go all the way here. 389 00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:31,150 Even though we don't know, we know there's some soft costs, maintenance and stuff down 390 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:31,550 the road. 391 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:39,890 But we really don't know what the impact is to the city, specifically, from a fiscal 392 00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:40,470 point of view. 393 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:45,650 We hope the Utah trails thing comes true for us. 394 00:38:45,650 --> 00:39:14,610 We hope there's grants available that don't necessarily require matches but we're really kind of taking a step in the dark here and I guess I, you know, you do chase all these grants is give me a, you know, I'm 90% sure that we can do this without this and I personally think it's very probable that we would receive Utah trails network funding for this project. 395 00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:20,230 We've been in contact with the person who administers the funding for that. 396 00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,570 From the beginning, it's been on the map with them. 397 00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:26,470 It's already on the map with them. 398 00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:31,550 And this is the type of like Ted had mentioned, this is kind of the type of project that they 399 00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:32,290 look for. 400 00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:36,510 It's ones where different jurisdictions are working collaboratively. 401 00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:41,650 It connects you from point A to point B, fills in critical gaps. 402 00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:47,530 So it really we're checking all the boxes for Utah Trail Network funding and I think it's really 403 00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:55,690 probable that we would receive that funding. The problem is we don't know, we don't know until we 404 00:39:55,690 --> 00:40:01,870 go to the next step what the fiscal impact could be because we don't have an engineered study. 405 00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:08,470 This is a feasibility study level and that's where it kind of ends is feasibility. So what we're asking 406 00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:12,570 tonight is not a commitment that we will go all the way with this project, but that 407 00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:14,130 we will go to the next step. 408 00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:16,850 Yeah, and I get that. 409 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:26,170 I guess worst case scenario, if funding becomes a real issue, we just delaying, is that 410 00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:26,910 the bottom line? 411 00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:28,090 Right. 412 00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:35,560 Well, I think you've convinced Ted at this point, so. 413 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:45,080 Well, I just wanted, you didn't have to convince me either and I've been part of some of these meetings but I just want to thank you. 414 00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:52,640 My father is 81 and he walks five to seven miles every morning at 5 a.m. around the city. 415 00:40:52,840 --> 00:41:04,260 He loves Mathis Park and kind of the green way that we have down on the west side of 89 but I worry sometimes per safety at that time and without a consistent 416 00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:06,200 and trail network. 417 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,220 And so I just think this is such an improvement to quality of life and 418 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:18,420 safety and help being able to get out and be outside an exercise. 419 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,120 So I'm really, really excited about this. 420 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,320 I'm grateful for all of the effort that both of you have put in, 421 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:28,580 along with everyone else. 422 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,640 Takes a lot of hands to lift something like this, but I think it's great. 423 00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:33,460 So thank you. 424 00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:37,040 Is your father ever met Conrad Jacobson? 425 00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:39,140 You know I wonder, do you guys pass? 426 00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:39,820 You might. 427 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,760 I'll tell him to watch for you and you can wave. 428 00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:46,240 Okay. 429 00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:51,060 Well, we need to have a motion to support this study. 430 00:41:54,380 --> 00:41:55,840 I feel like Ted should do it. 431 00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:58,080 Do you want me to do it? 432 00:42:00,460 --> 00:42:00,740 Go ahead. 433 00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:02,720 Okay. 434 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,000 Well, I'm happy to make a motion that the City Council accept the results of the South 435 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,720 They have a screenway feasibility study. 436 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,320 All seconded. 437 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,900 Thank you. 438 00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:13,300 Any further discussion? 439 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120 I don't know that we need a roll call, but let's do it. 440 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:17,940 Tammy? 441 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:18,700 Aye. 442 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,220 Aye. 443 00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:20,800 Aye. 444 00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:21,340 Aye. 445 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:22,160 Thank you. 446 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:25,340 And thank you, Brent and Allie, and that. 447 00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:33,240 Next item is a review of plans for the City Own Park. 448 00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:36,710 Next to us, Ken. 449 00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:37,850 Thanks, Mayor. 450 00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:44,230 There, this project has been discussed a couple of times in council meeting and at the 451 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:50,210 last, at the meeting on July 21st, so not the last council meeting, we've read some 452 00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:51,590 plans previously. 453 00:42:52,930 --> 00:43:00,050 Those plans were fairly extensive and we received an assignment from the council to take another 454 00:43:00,050 --> 00:43:07,550 look at the site and see if we couldn't improve the site, but at a far less cost. 455 00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:09,650 than what we looked at in July. 456 00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:11,110 So, 457 00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:22,090 we did that, we have used G Brown designed to go back and look at some concepts for us. 458 00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:27,450 This is a much abbreviated concept you'll see if you remember and I don't have the previous 459 00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:34,190 plan, I didn't, we could find it, I mean we could look it up and if you want to see it. 460 00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:41,210 But this is a different plan. It's a beautiful plan, but it's much more simple than what we looked at before. 461 00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:48,970 The concepts you may have understood from reading the material, there's basically two concepts. 462 00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:59,850 This concept number one, which is the recommended concept, grades the park from east to west down. 463 00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:08,480 So there is some there is some grade change from east to west. It's highest on the east and then goes down towards the west as 464 00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:11,390 Everything does here goes towards the Jordan River 465 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:21,050 And so we would grade the property from basically the street level on Highway 89 down to the street level on main street 466 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:27,030 Where it would it would actually meet with or be a similar grade to the city's 467 00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:34,750 existing property at City Hall on the north end of City Hall, the north end of this property. 468 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:41,810 So the advantage of this plan is that it provides visibility into the property as we talked before. 469 00:44:42,310 --> 00:44:48,750 It's less expensive because we don't have an expensive retaining wall system on the main street side. 470 00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:55,310 And it's a more comfortable feeling park for pedestrians and those folks who might 471 00:44:57,170 --> 00:44:59,970 be in the neighborhood and us. 472 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,160 Well, this is a really good design in a lot of different ways. 473 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:29,980 I'll go to the second concept in it. And I didn't make this one as big. It's a very similar plan, except that it does not include grading of the property. Basically, what you see out there today would be the grade, but it would include a retaining wall. It also includes the same landscaping that we 474 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:35,520 we have on Concept 1, and we'll get into the cost estimates. 475 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:43,220 So Concept 1's cost estimates, so we had JLR, who we've been working with in the city on 476 00:45:43,780 --> 00:45:51,020 the Eagle Ridge Drive Project, do some cost estimates for us on these two concept plans. 477 00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:58,520 Concept 1 is $207,000, and Concept 2 is $238,000. 478 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,480 and the main difference being the expense of the retaining wall. 479 00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,200 We have some additional work to do. 480 00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:17,880 Some design work has to take the concept plan to a construction level design, and that 481 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:25,880 work needs to be included, and we also did not have an irrigation estimate for either of 482 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,440 these plans. 483 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:31,340 times. So we think that we can do irrigation improvements for about $20,000. 484 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:42,740 Our, this item has been placed on the agenda as an award of bid to JLR because it falls 485 00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:51,280 below, it falls into a category of project below $250,000 that the council is authorized to 486 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,360 to approve without going through a formal bidding process. 487 00:46:56,380 --> 00:47:02,120 And some of you know about that exemption in the city's purchasing code. 488 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:14,980 Others who haven't been on the council as long, I put this excerpt from the city's purchasing code on this slide. 489 00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:22,800 so that just so you know that this is one of the exemptions to our competitive bidding process 490 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:31,780 that you can award this bid just by working with a contractor or a group that might do the construction for you. 491 00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:41,200 You can award it to JLR up to $250,000 and that's really where we are on this project. 492 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:51,220 I think this was we added this exemption a few years ago for exactly this type of project where we wished to save money 493 00:47:52,200 --> 00:48:00,520 bidding projects is expensive and requires lots of oversight and other staffing costs. We think this project fits into this 494 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,120 exemption perfectly and so that's the recommendation. 495 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,180 You don't need to take action in the work meeting. 496 00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:19,300 But I can, we can answer questions, we've put this on the consent calendar to award the 497 00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:23,340 bid to JLR for up to $250,000. 498 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,280 And so you can do that in your regular meeting on the consent calendar. 499 00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:36,860 One last thing I would say, and just by way of being transparent about what you're awarding, 500 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:51,280 As part of this award, it's being awarded to JLR, but that includes additional consulting fees to G-Brown design. 501 00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:59,760 So the design work, we've spent about $8,000 of the design work already in preparing these plans. 502 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:08,120 So, the remaining $10,000 or so part of that, so part of this $245,000 will go to G-Brown 503 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:08,420 Design. 504 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,780 And I wanted to make sure you understood that as part of this award, it's not 100% to 505 00:49:13,780 --> 00:49:14,220 JLR. 506 00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:18,020 Someone goes to, a small portion goes to G-Brown Design. 507 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:19,700 Okay. 508 00:49:19,820 --> 00:49:20,640 I think that's all I had. 509 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,200 So, can I ask a quick question? 510 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:23,420 Yeah. 511 00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:25,000 Go back to the bid for a second. 512 00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:25,580 Yes. 513 00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:25,780 Yes. 514 00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:40,080 We control the West Street, Main Street. U.Dot controls Highway 89. Can we do the work 515 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,800 and load it from Main Street and avoid the $7,500 permit? 516 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,680 That's a good question. I'll have to have Karen to answer that. Maybe do you want to? 517 00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:59,630 We're going to need the U.Dot permit. We will need the U.Dot permit even if we load from 518 00:49:59,630 --> 00:50:05,090 the downhill side because the right-of-way extends a significant distance into the parcel 519 00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:12,070 and if we do any kind of shoulder closure. If we can do all of the loading from the 520 00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:17,910 downside, you're correct. We would not need that permit. I would hesitate to assume that 521 00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:20,170 can be done with that existing slope, though. 522 00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:28,420 Does that answer your question? Not satisfactorily. 523 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:39,440 I can add to it by saying we'll try and we can do that for sure. 524 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,220 Absolutely. 525 00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:45,600 And if we're driving in and out through an existing driver approach onto the road and 526 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,060 we're not close to shoulder, we do not need to you don't permit. 527 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,640 And I think that is entirely doable. 528 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,840 So not loading from the other side, but not closing any lanes on USA89. 529 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,060 So we'll work to do that. 530 00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:04,180 I have a couple of basic questions about the designs. 531 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,100 Can you go to the first concept? 532 00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:12,740 So I think the air photo is showing through, are we predominantly seeing native grass? 533 00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:21,400 So a passer by a, on the sidewalk would see native grass, a person walking through the, 534 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:26,320 I think we're still reading a path through the middle would predominantly walk through 535 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:26,880 native grass. 536 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:34,000 that nothing against that I'm just clarifying what I'm looking at and then what 537 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:41,620 what's the user experience difference between this and concept 2 why would we 538 00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:47,740 consider concept 2 over concept 1 since it's is it's just it's got more of a 539 00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:53,080 flat topography across the whole site yeah concept 2 so kids could play in the 540 00:51:54,420 --> 00:52:01,420 Well, concept two would basically leave the property at the grade that you see today. 541 00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:08,000 So at its highest point, there's about a 12-foot grade difference between the sidewalk 542 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,260 on Main Street and the level surface of this property. 543 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:20,880 And as you go south on the sidewalk, that elevation gets smaller and smaller, that elevation 544 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,320 change. 545 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,040 And I guess I'm just looking for like an editorial comment. Why would that be good? 546 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,200 Why would we pay more for that? 547 00:52:28,820 --> 00:52:36,600 We wouldn't. But we asked G Brown design to give us a design that had the retaining wall system in it 548 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,560 to see what it would look like. So that's why you have those two plants. 549 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:50,460 Under either design, can we, if we want to incorporate the train element, is that still an option? 550 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:58,300 I don't think we're closing the door on the on the installation of any improvements in the middle of the park, so yes, that's still an option. 551 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:05,000 But you can see that it's a greatly reduced treatment of the middle of the park. 552 00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:16,000 And so I think Council Member Nilton, your observation is exactly right that we're really not doing a whole lot to the middle of the park area. 553 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:23,200 And to that middle are we adding grasses or we're just letting it sit and whatever grows grows? 554 00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:27,500 I don't know if I can tell you the answer to that. 555 00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:35,940 So the intent would be in native seed wildflower mix, which is supposed to be pretty weeds. 556 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,300 But if that's something I love that. 557 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,560 And I would love, there are several spaces throughout the city. 558 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:49,840 I would love it if the city had as regular maintenance they go received wildflowers in several spaces that are left like this throughout 559 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,300 They like once a year. I would love that. So I love that idea. Great. I can see in the 560 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,880 cost that there is money for wood 561 00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:07,920 mulch and rock is the area I'd go back to the other one. The parts towards the point of the triangle and the back end 562 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,400 Is that where the rock and the wood would be? Yes. Okay 563 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,480 Okay. Great. And then I'm checking off my questions. 564 00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:22,500 Because we are using the same developers, I would just like to open the question again 565 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,840 to the City Council about the glass rocks at the roundabout. As I understand it, the 566 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,800 developers offered those to us like the week that wasn't done at additional offer. 567 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,020 I remember the conversation that we were kind of giving us a deal or something. 568 00:54:38,020 --> 00:54:46,400 I think, yeah, I think that's a really good point and should be clarified as many times as possible because it's a point of misunderstanding. 569 00:54:47,080 --> 00:55:05,600 There is a small company in North Salt Lake down in the industrial zone and they offered and gave us about $50,000 worth of glass for free, for a mutually benefit exposure to their company. 570 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:12,380 In the industrial area, a lot of people don't know any of the businesses that are down there because they tend to be 571 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:21,680 fairly playing brick and mortar and they are generally just distributing out so they don't have a store front, per se. 572 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,600 So I do think it, yeah, that's a really good point. 573 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:33,840 The developer didn't have anything to do with that. That was just an offer from a company. 574 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:39,860 And we didn't pay for the glass rocks correct correct so if I just want to open the question again, and it's not 575 00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:43,320 Something that I am standing on a hill over 576 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:48,620 But do we want to keep the glass rocks there? I love in the design the kind of 577 00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:56,100 River feel that the grass rocks create, but I wonder if we could replace the grass rocks with wood mulch 578 00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:59,520 So there's the rocks on the side, but wood mulch does the river down the middle 579 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:09,940 If we feel like this is an issue that's behind us, that is fine with me, or is this an issue in this project we'd like to swap it out and get rid of the glass rocks. 580 00:56:10,540 --> 00:56:11,560 Is there any other opinions? 581 00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:21,580 My perception is that we took some of the rocks and threw them in the river if you will and it kind of broke it up. 582 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,240 And I haven't heard any negative comments since. 583 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:32,200 I'll say I drive by every day and my initial reaction was shock and now I see it and I like it. 584 00:56:32,980 --> 00:56:36,180 So I drive it every and I actually had, there were a few negative comments in the beginning, 585 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:36,920 really loud. 586 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,600 The majority of what I hear now is, oh, I like it. 587 00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:44,200 It's not as bad as everybody said it was because that initial like, pure or over it was like, 588 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:47,840 I get out of town and came home and thought it was going to be devastating and then I saw 589 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,920 it and I was like, well, what's it really complaining about? 590 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:56,320 So I personally saw it in the pictures and when it was shot and person went it's not as bad as I thought and everybody 591 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:03,500 I talked to now is like ah it's fine I don't care it looks good so I think to spend the time or any energy to 592 00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:09,820 replace something that people are saying I like it or I have no opinion about it is a waste of time 593 00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:16,900 and money that's just my opinion. I think it's also important to recognize what we would be 594 00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:40,120 saying as a city, if we replaced it and that was a $50,000 gift, then are we willing as a city to pay that company $50,000 because their donation just got erased, and they wouldn't get their benefit on the mutually beneficial side of it. 595 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:46,740 So, that would be something that would have to be seriously considered, is it worth that amount of money to us 596 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:55,100 based on like Heidi mentioned some feedback right at the beginning, the initial shock. I've had the same. I've had 597 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:56,580 both sides 598 00:57:57,580 --> 00:58:01,920 people like it, people don't like it. I do think as the other 599 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,380 shrubbery and trees grow up, it's going to change the 600 00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:10,700 The fact that your eye goes right there, right in the beginning. 601 00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:14,960 But as other things grow, I do think it's going to change the overall look. 602 00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:23,440 So my personal recommendation would be to pause and let's give it at least a season 603 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:34,200 to see how things work out and also to show our appreciation and give the ability for that 604 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,980 exposure to the company that made such a large donation. 605 00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:42,180 That would be my personal feeling, but obviously, work group. 606 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:48,420 My, my two cents is I do not like the blue rock overall, but 607 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,760 I think that waiting a season feels prudent. 608 00:58:53,980 --> 00:59:01,840 Can I just say all this, I, for the record, if we, for some bizarre reason, took it out. 609 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,400 But I do not feel that we would owe them back the $50,000. 610 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,460 They made us a gift. 611 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:08,840 That was their choice. 612 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,700 We are on a hook in no way, shape, and to reimburse them for a gift, there is no written 613 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:18,000 contract that we said, hey, you give us this, so the financial thing is a moot point for 614 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,160 me. 615 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,620 If we keep it, we keep it. 616 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,380 They chose to give a gift with no string attached. 617 00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:30,220 So I just want to say, if the rock comes out in a year, I feel no obligation to reimburse 618 00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:30,780 them for that. 619 00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:37,300 So that's a really good clarification. There is no contractual obligation. I think it's a good 620 00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:44,800 neighbor good faith type situation. I think it's interesting to see what everybody says because 621 00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:51,560 someone just this week said to me, I was expecting an eagle because it's on eagle ridge so 622 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:59,880 they when they saw the rocks that was their take on it. So when I first saw it, I actually liked it. 623 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,660 I, I, I thought when the sunshine was on it, and it was really pretty, and so I, I agree. I think give it time and see what happens with the plants and see if maybe it perhaps grows on all of us and the rest of the city. And maybe it becomes something like the whale on night the night that people have grown to love. You know, maybe one super quick note. It looks like some of the grasses have died, just to note. Sometimes grasses have that way of looking. 624 01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:30,660 So not positive. 625 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,140 Those are all my questions. 626 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,360 We are following. 627 01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:37,240 I think it's good for us to follow up with the contractor. 628 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,120 Some of that landscaping looks like it's having a hard time. 629 01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:42,120 So we'll follow up. 630 01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:43,260 Quick note on that. 631 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,760 They did verbally say that they're coming in the fall to hydro seed. 632 01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:53,980 And that all of the trees and shrubbery are under a one-year warranty. 633 01:00:53,980 --> 01:01:09,620 and they're planning on swapping out in the fall anything that died then, and then they'll come back again within the one year to do that again, so that is part of the agreement. 634 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,540 Do we have any more questions for Ken on this? 635 01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:14,880 Thank you, Ken. 636 01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:15,620 Thank you. 637 01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:22,600 Okay, let's take a quick break, and we'll reconvene and we'll hit these other items at the end of our regular session. 638 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:37,370 Well, we'll need to, so it's in the consent agenda, so we'll need to determine before we vote on that, which one we want. 639 01:01:38,490 --> 01:01:40,470 Which, why do we want the cheaper one? 640 01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:43,090 Yeah, I think on the consent agenda. 641 01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:45,710 Guiding you, why do we want that cheaper one? 642 01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:53,010 It's just written as improvements up to $250,000 so you could say concept one.