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[0:04] All right, take a big mouthful. I'd like to welcome everyone to our work session for our August 18th,
[0:11] 2026, city council meeting. Our first item is presentation and consideration of accepting
[0:20] the results of the South Davis Greenway feasibility study. And they know we have a chemical horn
[0:27] up here as well as Sherry, are you going to do this?
[0:34] Allie, I'll give you just a little bit of guidance here.
[0:39] You're really going to have to work hard to get Ted on board with a list.
[0:44] Yeah, that's a heavy lift. I don't know if I can do that.
[0:49] Okay, so I'll just give a quick introduction of Brent Crowther here.
[0:53] He's on our trails and active transportation committee,
[0:56] but he also is representing us wearing a different hat tonight of working for
[1:01] Kim Lee Horne who is the consultant who has been working with us for the last 11 months on the South Davis Greenway Feasibility Study.
[1:09] I think we've brought this to you before, but it's been, we've been working collaboratively with
[1:16] Bountiful Center Bill, Farmington, North Salt Lake, WFRC, YSET Front Regional Council,
[1:21] and other project partners to conduct the study, U.T.A.
[1:27] Those kind of partners.
[1:28] And then with the guidance of a project management team,
[1:31] and the steering committee that included city staff,
[1:35] and members of the City Council Planning Commission,
[1:37] and the Trails and Active Transportation Committee,
[1:39] the consultants worked to find the best alignment for the South Davis Greenway
[1:43] and South Davis County.
[1:45] We've also reached out to the public, including a project website,
[1:50] flyers delivered door-to-door along the alignment, signs and sidewalk decals along the alignment,
[1:56] a project display at the South Davis Rec Center and a demonstration event at Bountiful City Park.
[2:03] So this is just a feasibility study to find the alignment and a basic cross-section. It does not
[2:11] involve any financial contribution at this point to accept the results of the study.
[2:18] So the next steps would be to get funding for the engineered design and the construction
[2:23] of the greenway which could primarily, we're primarily seeking funds through the Utah
[2:28] trail network.
[2:30] And so with that, Brent with Kim Lee Horne will be presenting the results of the study
[2:34] to the council.
[2:39] Great.
[2:39] Thank you, Mary council, for having me here today.
[2:42] Just do a brief overview of the purpose of the study that we've been conducting.
[2:47] It is, as Ali mentioned, a collaborative between the four South Davis communities to identify
[2:54] what that alignment and the feasibility and the cost of a new trail.
[3:00] The green wave does fill that critical gap.
[3:03] You can think of the legacy trail on the west side of I-15.
[3:06] But there is no such continuous separated facility on the east side of I-15 to provide that
[3:13] recreational commuting facility for people who enjoy walking, bicycling, families on the
[3:21] way to work, et cetera, so that the purpose of that study was to establish that basic concept
[3:26] design and then really prepare the information needed to advance the study for consideration
[3:33] by the Utah Trail Network and other funding sources to be constructed.
[3:38] So, as a reminder, what is a greenway?
[3:42] It is a dedicated, shared-use path designed to support all modes of active transportation
[3:48] walking, bicycling, rolling, rollerblading, wheelchairs, scooters, et cetera.
[3:54] And it can be for all purposes.
[3:56] We don't want to just make this facility for commuting or just for recreation, but it's
[4:01] anybody who desires to utilize the facility.
[4:04] It is comfortable separated from traffic, so it's different from a traditional bike lane that's on street like you currently have an orchard drive.
[4:13] There's a white line that separates vehicle traffic from the through traffic, but this is physically separated would be above the curb.
[4:22] And so it provides an enhanced comfort, enhanced separation, enhanced feeling of safety for people of all ages and abilities.
[4:30] these children all the way up to seniors.
[4:34] It can be enhanced with other amenities, landscaping,
[4:38] streetscaping, et cetera.
[4:39] It doesn't always have to be lush and green.
[4:43] It's not reasonable here in the desert climate to do that,
[4:47] but perhaps nodes have more focused landscaping
[4:51] to make it attractive and pretty to the needs
[4:55] of each community.
[4:56] These two slides are examples of shared use pass that we have in Utah.
[5:02] The one on the left is in Provo, along State Street.
[5:06] And that really is just an asphalt 12 foot shared use path.
[5:11] The one on the right is in Nine Line in Salt Lake City.
[5:14] And this is a concrete.
[5:15] They actually repurposed night south, occupying former wide, very wide ride of way.
[5:22] And much of it looks like just grass and fairly plain, but others are focused, and they actually have a grant now from the Bessos Foundation, I believe, for about $10 million, I think $15 million to come back and plant trees.
[5:45] So it can be phased over time as funding becomes available.
[5:50] The alignment that we've identified working with our steering team is shown here, begins
[5:57] that Eagle would drive there by the Starbucks and then would head
[6:06] east on Eagle would drive
[6:08] to Orchard Drive and then we would follow Orchard Drive all the way through North Salt Lake
[6:15] and Bountiful over to 2,600 South and at 2,600 South we head straight north along 200 West and Bountiful.
[6:29] I think it's 200 West and Bountiful and they continue all the way over past Bountiful Recreation Center where it transitions the same street to 400 West in Centerville and then continues up to Chase Lane.
[6:43] and then we had south on Chase Lane to the I-15 Fronted Road and then had north on the I-15 Fronted Road up to State Street in Farmington where that would be the northern terminus of this trail as envisioned today, with possible extensions north into fruit heights in a future phase.
[7:04] I should also point out that the south end near the Starbucks will connect to a new shared use path
[7:10] It's going to be reconstructed as part of the U.I. 15 project and that should be in place in the next few years as
[7:20] As that project is completed and
[7:23] Then somebody could ride a bicycle walk
[7:27] block, et cetera, all the way on this separated facility from Farmington to pass Victory
[7:32] Road in Salt Lake City on a separated, high comfort facility.
[7:40] So I'll pause there with any questions about the overall alignment and concept before we
[7:44] get into some of the details.
[7:50] This is an example of what that cross section could look like.
[7:54] We are aiming for a 12 foot wide shared use path.
[7:57] It could be primarily out of asphalt.
[8:00] It could be also concrete if need be in areas of constrained right of way with.
[8:09] We can go down a little bit, maybe to 10 feet, but our goal is 12 feet.
[8:13] And for the majority of the alignment that we have here, we're able to accomplish that desired width.
[8:20] And then we have a separated six foot buffer to keep us separated from that traffic lane to provide
[8:26] that comfort better experience.
[8:32] This is an example of what it could look like here in Norsalt Lake.
[8:35] This is on Orchard, just south of Center Street.
[8:39] You can see left in the current condition.
[8:42] And then the trail there on the right would be repurposing the existing bike lane and
[8:48] existing sidewalk into this new shared use path.
[8:52] It's important to emphasize that we don't need any new ride-of-way.
[8:55] This is all with an existing public right-of-way.
[8:58] We maintain the same number of traffic lanes in North Salt Lake.
[9:03] So the impacts are with the existing bicycle lane,
[9:10] which, as you know, is often used for parking,
[9:13] even though it is a designated bicycle lane in North Salt Lake.
[9:20] This is a walk through the alignment.
[9:22] Hopefully you can see a little bit bigger on your TV screens there,
[9:27] So you can see there, starting at the Starbucks there coming up to Orchard Drive and then we are on the west side of Orchard Drive through this segment.
[9:37] The blue circles represent driveway crossings. At this feasibility level, we're not into designing every single driveway intersection.
[9:47] But we wanted to accurately represent where those driveway locations would be and so that's what you'll see with the blue circles on this exhibit here.
[9:55] We do have some segments where there is some grade may need some retaining wall there for segments retaining wall due to the adjacent topography and then potentially some railing if we're to prevent.
[10:12] If we're steeper on on on that west side of the trail.
[10:17] So you can see we continue on, here we approach center street.
[10:23] And there are some high voltage power lines that we are seeking to avoid, the costs of
[10:30] relocating those.
[10:32] You can see there on the north side of center street, we have an opportunity for a pocket
[10:37] park that's current city on land, so provide a community amenity there.
[10:42] That's where they currently have the garden area.
[10:46] And then the greenway would cross to the east side of orchard drive and then continue on the east side of drive along orchard drive and you can see there again.
[10:59] We have those driveway intersections there on the east side.
[11:03] We continue again all within existing right of way and repurposing these existing bike lane and really holding the outside edge to the edge of sidewalk.
[11:11] So we're not impacting the adjacent property.
[11:14] So the outside of the sidewalk represents the east side of the greenway and
[11:19] we're making the improvements moving curb, etc., to the west.
[11:23] And we continue through North Salt Lake, here to 3,800 South.
[11:30] And then here's about where we begin to transition into the Bountiful Sections.
[11:35] Almost we pass Eaglewood Drive.
[11:38] Again, this is an opportunity to make some improvements, the existing high speed turning radius from eastbound orchard drive, northbound orchard drive to eastbound Eaglewood, we would want to modify that so we don't have vehicles and pedestrians conflicting through that high speed turn there.
[12:03] So an opportunity to improve that for pedestrians and bicyclists.
[12:08] And then we continue on through the remainder of this section here.
[12:12] We're passing the apartment complex, the old whinegers area, and then continuing on to bountiful.
[12:20] So I'll pause there if any questions about the basic alignment through North Salt Lake.
[12:26] I have a question.
[12:27] Thank you for this.
[12:27] I'm really excited about this project.
[12:29] Okay, why did you decide to move across orchard and finish the route on the east side?
[12:35] Yeah, that was in collaboration with our steering committee.
[12:39] It has to do in Sherry, pardon me, Karen, feel free to chime in any time, but existing
[12:49] right away impacts, utilities, driveways, topography, trying to minimize some of those impacts,
[13:11] that's the best option was on that east side.
[13:19] Okay, any other questions?
[13:21] Okay.
[13:22] I'll share some photos in the end of June.
[13:27] We held a public meeting at Bountiful City Park.
[13:31] And this is some of the best options on that east side.
[13:32] some photos, we had a full demonstration of what that green way might look like there
[13:38] on second west. We have planters and we put out some temporary ballards and some temporary
[13:46] payment markings to represent the width. So you can see the edge of the green way would
[13:52] be where the sidewalk is and then the other side would be where those ballards are to represent
[13:57] the width of the greenway and how it's not impacting the existing travel lanes.
[14:02] We had great attendance at the meeting.
[14:04] We had a lot of wind that got to us a little bit and some sprinklers and et cetera, but
[14:11] it was very well attended.
[14:13] The majority of comments that we received were positive, of supportive.
[14:19] I think the most vocal concerns that we heard were from centerville residents related to chase lane alignment.
[14:27] So after our draft report, we worked with Senatorville City and we modified the recommend
[14:33] an alignment to the north side of Chase Lane instead of the south side of Chase Lane.
[14:38] And that was based on their interactions with those residents in that area.
[14:47] We recognize that a project of this magnitude can't be done all in one single project or
[14:53] one single year.
[14:54] So we separated the project into different phases.
[14:57] We've called phase zero.
[15:00] The current project overlap with the I-15 Reconstruction Project. We've been coordinating with
[15:07] with Farmington and Centerville and they've been coordinating with the I-15 team and UDOT
[15:14] with the anticipation that that phase zero would be constructed with the I-15 widening project that
[15:21] is about to begin in the next few months. Then we begin to face- And so that we're reading that
[15:26] correctly that is segment D. Phase zero is segment D. Phase zero is segment D.
[15:39] I
[15:42] did that with my magic. Would you undo it Ted please?
[16:00] Yeah so phase zero you
[16:02] can see it's at dark blue segment D representing the overlap with the I-15
[16:09] widening project. And then we go into phase one, which consists of segment A and segment E and segment A is a
[16:17] north-salt lake to 2600 south. And then segment E is along state street, pardon me, along 400 west in
[16:29] Farmington between the I-15 fronted road and state street. And we recommended those of the first phases
[16:37] because the one in Farmington connects to the I-15 project so we'd have a
[16:41] continuous facility so we don't have a trail that just stops wanted to take
[16:46] advantage of that and then similarly the North Salt Lake segment would connect
[16:50] into the improved I-15 trail at the south end so we you can view it as we have the
[16:57] trails at the ends and we're moving to the center and phase two is segment C
[17:06] We represent 400 North near the South Davis Recreation Center, north to Chaselaine where it would connect in the I-15, so we continue extending the green way to the South, and then phase three completes the gap, and that's primarily in Bountiful from 2600 South to 4th North South Davis Recreation Center.
[17:35] Any questions there?
[17:36] I have a, just out of curiosity, what is the anticipated timeline between phases?
[17:48] It all comes down to funding.
[17:51] It could be as quick as just one year, this potentially would be programmed by the Utah Trail Network.
[18:00] They have about 50 million a year to program for projects statewide.
[18:05] And so they go through a process each spring of selecting which projects they want to program each project is
[18:12] Generally it's this year is a little bit bigger, but it seems like it's somewhere between eight and fifteen million dollars per project
[18:19] And so you'll see some cost estimates here later that that that shows how we would recommend
[18:25] But could be annually, but could be a couple of years in between as well
[18:30] That would just depend on the the programming dollars by by you dot in Utah trail network
[18:39] I'll do a super quick add on that that I don't know this but my thinking is that the Utah
[18:48] Trail Network programming would look super favorably on this because it's connecting into pieces
[18:58] segment D south of the southern part that are already going to happen.
[19:03] So, it's got, it has this really powerful connecting aspect to it, and then secondarily,
[19:14] it happens to serve the state's biggest commuting destination in Salt Lake City.
[19:19] So, utility-wise, it has huge pluses, and then it just has that advantage of already having
[19:28] a head start and parts of it getting built without us doing anything.
[19:31] We
[19:36] were at the Utah bicycle summit earlier today, and I listened to presentation from the Rails to Trails Program National Organization, and they talked about how great it is in Utah that we have a dedicated funding source for active transportation and trail projects like this.
[19:54] It's unique. A lot of states do not have this, and so we're very blessed to have this opportunity before us, and we can begin to contemplate projects like this.
[20:04] This
[20:10] is a summary of what those costs we've estimated cost in both in 2026 dollars and then in the report itself, we project five years out to 2031, recognizing it would need to be phased and you can see their phase zero constructed with the I-15 project and then phase one segments A and E, you can see their combined cost of that total construction cost.
[20:39] cost, the combined of the 13 million plus a 1 million.
[20:42] And then what we have broken down is what the pro-rated cost by jurisdiction could be.
[20:50] And the reason we did this is because a lot of the grant applications that communities may receive.
[20:56] The jurisdictions need to document that in their CIP even though it's funded through other sources.
[21:01] So this does not mean that North Salt Lake would be asked to find $10 million.
[21:05] dollars, this is purely for accounting purposes and to help with grant and accounting purposes.
[21:11] Again, we would anticipate the hope is that this trail project would be funded by the Utah
[21:18] Trail Network, which does not require a local match. They do look favorably when jurisdictions bring
[21:27] matches, but that is not a requirement of the program. So you can see there the total
[21:34] cost, if it were all constructed in today's dollars, we're about almost $43 million.
[21:42] Adds about $78 million, projecting that out to 2031 for just under, it's about $50 million
[21:48] for the total project.
[21:52] Any questions about that?
[21:56] And I should say that there's a lot of urban complexities with a project like this.
[22:02] If you go out to a green filled constructing a new trail where there's not existing curb and gutter,
[22:09] there's not existing utilities or not existing power lines, there's not existing sidewalk needs to be relocated.
[22:16] Those all add to the complexity of moving curb.
[22:19] We have included costs in here of restoring the asphalt to after the trail is moved out and cut.
[22:29] You get some grade differentials after years of paving.
[22:32] You get some crown in the road, they need to be fixed, so we have assumed conservative estimates to account for those types of
[22:43] non-specified costs that will need to be detailed during the engineering process.
[22:48] Brent, I have one more question. I simply don't know the trail system enough, but what happens at the end of the trail when you go south of Norsell Lake?
[22:57] To victory road, do you just tap into Main Street?
[23:01] So, it's going south of victory and then there's 100 what it's just, the road just east of Backstreet, it's a neighborhood street
[23:13] I think it's 100 west because if you keep going it goes underneath the salt palace, the one that dips underneath the salt
[23:18] No, it won't go out victory road.
[23:20] No, it won't go out, it'll cross victory road, continue south and then connect into 100 west which is a, I love riding my bike on 100 west
[23:29] It's it's it's got speed humps
[23:32] The best is when a garbage truck is blocking all the traffic and you're just sailing past a garbage truck and all the trucks
[23:39] You know with the speed humps
[23:41] Etc. So it's a great facility to connect into the bicycle network. Thank you
[23:46] Right,
[23:49] I just have one question
[23:50] So you said that you taught Chelsea when he gets like 50 million a year project
[23:53] Where do the trails committee get their money like how are they funded? Where does the Utah trail network get their money
[23:59] It's a legislative allocation, so it was passed into law in 2020, two or three, and it's a dedicated source.
[24:11] It's a redirect of some of the state money that goes to transportation, redirected into a trail specific program.
[24:27] Any other question?
[24:30] Okay, so in addition to the Utah Trail Network, there are other funding sources.
[24:35] I've listed some of those here related to first and last mile.
[24:39] That's really completing network so people who are writing buses have a way to safely get to and from the bus.
[24:47] They have to, UDOT also has a separate act of transportation program that funds projects outside of Utah Trail Network.
[24:55] And then Davis County has a couple of funding sources referred to as a third quarter and fourth quarter.
[25:01] Those are largely used in Davis County in South Davis County particular discussions with Davis County.
[25:09] Those are largely directed towards active transportation and trail type projects because those are the primary needs outside of new arterials, etc.
[25:19] And then there's always federal grant opportunities.
[25:22] So
[25:27] with that, are there any other questions that I can answer about the concept or the funding, etc?
[25:42] I do have a question just for I guess curiosity sake.
[25:47] When the weather turns bad, does somebody maintain them?
[25:51] Maintenance.
[25:52] So the current position of the Utah Department of Transportation is that the trail would be maintained by the local agency.
[26:01] They do like the agencies to commit that they will snow plow it, so it's able to be used year round.
[26:07] A landscaping would also be a responsibility of the local jurisdiction.
[26:12] It's a policy that is still being worked out and finalized within UDOT.
[26:17] The actual legislation does state that that money, UTN money can be used for maintenance,
[26:24] but they are in a capital focus program right now.
[26:27] So, whether that changes in the future, it could be that there's additional maintenance funds,
[26:32] but currently their position and the way they've been interacting with local jurisdictions is that maintenance is responsibility of the local jurisdiction.
[26:43] That's a great question, Tammy.
[26:46] And just to clarify, so that would be city staff that then would clear it with more of like hand snow plows rather than.
[26:57] I think we could use our big snow plow.
[27:01] In the cities as we've worked as a committee, there may need to be some special equipment that maybe could be purchased collectively.
[27:09] Salt Lake City has small skid steers, if it's a light snow, they just dust it off, it's not even a plow, it's removing the snow.
[27:22] So there are certainly considerations of how the maintenance, how the snow removal, et cetera, and that all these to be worked out as funding is secured and the committees continues to work and we progress through design.
[27:36] And sorry, I have one more question just on that.
[27:41] This will be over the top of our superseding a lot of individual sidewalks, correct?
[27:47] It would replace the existing sidewalk where it's present on the west side of
[27:52] Orchard Drive and then the north of center street on the north side of Orchard Drive.
[27:57] So it would replace the existing sidewalk.
[27:59] Okay, so typically people are responsible for yet don't own and have jurisdiction
[28:06] over their sidewalk and their park strip, but people typically snowplow their own
[28:12] sidewalks and mo their own park strips.
[28:15] But the maintenance of the park strip part and then the sidewalk would now be under municipality completely.
[28:24] Or at least municipal decision making on how you'd like to approach it.
[28:28] It's taking on plowing of a 12 foot shared use path is a bit more than just a four foot sidewalk.
[28:36] talk, and so we would anticipate that there would need to be a higher level of city support
[28:43] for that rather than just relying on the local resident.
[28:52] Maintenance is something to think through.
[28:55] Talk about other impacts on parking.
[28:58] There's the illegal parking that's happening in the bike lane.
[29:02] We know that couldn't happen anymore.
[29:03] or other parking impacts on the other side of the street
[29:07] that we should just factor into how we understand
[29:11] how this might unfold.
[29:13] Yeah, so it does impact parking on one side of the street,
[29:16] on the side of the street on which the trail is.
[29:20] In some place, depending on the width of the right away,
[29:22] and that's gonna vary throughout the corridor,
[29:24] whether it's impacting parking on both sides of the street,
[29:26] it just depends on the width of that street
[29:29] and where we are in the corridor.
[29:30] but we generally speaking, except for one segment in Farmington, where they had
[29:37] enough right away to maintain the existing parking, it would impact remove the
[29:45] existing bike lane on that side of the street, which is currently used by people
[29:51] who are parking in that bike lane in North Salt Lake, it's both sides.
[30:09] I just think it's helpful, if you understand, that we're narrowing the road. The back of the curb has Brent made clear, or the back of the sidewalk is the outside back of the trail, and then we're 12 foot trail, and then a park strip, and then the curb. And so in order to make it fit within the existing right of way, we're essentially taking both shoulder areas that are currently bike lanes, and they're going away. The lane with remains, the traffic safety remains.
[30:37] but there will not be space to park on either side of the road when we're done.
[30:44] We would have to widen the right of way and that obviously is something that we're doing
[30:47] everything we can to avoid.
[30:50] And that's for the entire length along the orchard.
[30:58] Any further questions on this?
[31:00] I do and this is a council question and staff but I appreciate your expertise and I would
[31:07] love your feedback.
[31:08] I love this idea and I would like more of this.
[31:10] I would love if Norseult Lake did an adjacent project where we extended a green
[31:17] way that went west out to legacy along center and along 1100 North. Can you talk
[31:23] about that as an option like what that would look like if we then made our own
[31:26] little kind of subset project that we want to do this but we also want to do this
[31:30] west.
[31:35] I think I had mentioned to you before that this green way concept is
[31:40] is something that is in our draft general plan
[31:42] that we're working through right now.
[31:45] So the greenway concept in the general plan
[31:48] would be connector greenways all throughout the city.
[31:52] So you have kind of a circuit route through the city
[31:55] and going out of the city in and out of the city as well.
[31:58] So we'd have this south Davis greenway.
[32:01] We'd have one potentially up on Eagle Ridge,
[32:04] Bountiful Boulevard area.
[32:06] We'd have legacy trail and Jordan River Trail and then connecting all of those we would have a trail going along center street
[32:15] Connecting basically you could get from the Jordan River Trail all the way up to the Bonneville Shore Lane Trail on a bike
[32:22] That's the goal and then also potentially something on 1100 North even in the plan
[32:27] I think there was the option of some type of a
[32:31] pedestrian cyclist bridge like in the industrial park area coming off of Main Street
[32:36] to cross over those tracks.
[32:39] And in the proposal in the general plan,
[32:41] what's the time frame for the trails at West?
[32:46] I don't think that there's a time frame.
[32:50] I think it's just the general plan time frame
[32:53] is about 20 years and so it just prioritizes
[32:59] the different routes.
[33:00] So the center street one is number one priority
[33:02] on those greenway routes.
[33:04] So that's like the major trunk line.
[33:05] So my question would be more do we would we need to wait for the general plan to go through its entire review process and be approved before we would move forward?
[33:12] Like I don't know if we would wait until the general plan has approved to move forward with this.
[33:16] Could we add this in at the same time frame that we're doing the green way this part of the green way project?
[33:24] So you're you're saying are we adding the green way project into the general plan or are you saying the other way around and so this green way project isn't part of our general plan per say.
[33:34] And so I'm thinking this will move forward before the master plan necessarily gets passed.
[33:40] And I would like to not wait for the master plan to get passed and then try to approve the greenway moving out west.
[33:46] Could we fast track it, I guess, so that it is happening at the same time as the orchard drive greenway is being built?
[33:53] So is the center street greenway?
[33:55] So best case scenario for funding of our section of the Greenway, of the South Davis Greenway would be they would program it, say we get it on there in January, they would program it and then it would be the following year that they would be funding engineering and construction.
[34:14] Yeah, they'll consider programming somewhere, they usually announce that March or April, and then it has to work its way through the state transportation improvement program, which is approved August essentially when that would become available if it's programmed for next year.
[34:32] So, best case scenario, if we get it programmed for next year, August is when we can start engineering this phase of the South Davis Greenway.
[34:41] We better have the general plan adopted by next August.
[34:46] So I don't think it's going to be conflicting timelines at all.
[34:49] I think they'll dovetail into each other really, really well.
[34:53] Okay.
[34:53] And then the green way that's in the general plan, is it similar to this, like, 12 feet?
[34:59] I don't know that we have a full detail.
[35:01] I don't know that word to that detailed level.
[35:05] But it would be, yeah, it would be, you know, 10 to 12 feet.
[35:09] I would say nothing less than 10 feet.
[35:12] That's great, okay.
[35:13] It might have to vary in some locations, but yeah, thank you.
[35:19] Question, and Al, I don't go away, but this is the first
[35:24] school part is directed towards Brant.
[35:28] What if a city opts out?
[35:30] They just don't get their section built, is that, and
[35:33] then we have an incomplete system, is that?
[35:36] Yeah, we're hoping Norset Lake doesn't lead in that way.
[35:40] No, yeah.
[35:41] But yeah, that is something we've thought about.
[35:45] And that's part of also the phasing strategy too.
[35:49] We know we have Farmington part of the I-15 project
[35:53] and tap into that and then continue from the south.
[35:57] But if the city did opt out, we would have gaps
[36:00] that hopefully over time, we would recognize
[36:03] of value of that gap and be able to overcome whatever barriers, you know, perceptions or funding
[36:09] needed to finish that gap but there would be a gap and that would be detrimental to the
[36:17] overall project but I also think that gaps within each city provide utility. For example,
[36:25] somebody going from North Salt Lake south into downtown could use that facility and a gap in
[36:33] Bountiful isn't really going to affect where, and there's also very localized users, recreation, you know, people on walks with our families.
[36:41] If we have gaps, they're not necessarily looking to commute the whole way, but using that facility very locally, which I think is also a great community asset and a better.
[36:50] Okay.
[36:54] We've been very aware of that concern from the very beginning, which is why we applied jointly for funding for this project.
[37:03] All four cities have been on board the entire time.
[37:06] We have a steering committee that has members of the city council, the planning commission, any trails committees, city staff from all four cities, and everybody has been on board thus far.
[37:19] And so with this acceptance tonight of the study, we would then will draft up a letter for you to sign mayor that says that the City Council has accepted and is in support of this project.
[37:35] And then we will get that from every city and put that into the report, which we then will deliver to UDOT for the Utah Trail Network so that they know that we're all moving forward together.
[37:47] And that's been a discussion we've had the entire way through this process is that we all move forward together
[37:53] Because if there's one of us that doesn't do it, it doesn't do it. It doesn't meet the goals of the project
[38:01] So I've been down this road a lot in my public service
[38:08] We adopt
[38:10] something you know a concept plan and
[38:14] Then phase one comes in and we look at it and we
[38:18] But really, the first step tonight says we're going to go all the way here.
[38:26] Even though we don't know, we know there's some soft costs, maintenance and stuff down
[38:31] the road.
[38:32] But we really don't know what the impact is to the city, specifically, from a fiscal
[38:39] point of view.
[38:40] We hope the Utah trails thing comes true for us.
[38:45] We hope there's grants available that don't necessarily require matches but we're really kind of taking a step in the dark here and I guess I, you know, you do chase all these grants is give me a, you know, I'm 90% sure that we can do this without this and I personally think it's very probable that we would receive Utah trails network funding for this project.
[39:15] We've been in contact with the person who administers the funding for that.
[39:20] From the beginning, it's been on the map with them.
[39:24] It's already on the map with them.
[39:27] And this is the type of like Ted had mentioned, this is kind of the type of project that they
[39:31] look for.
[39:32] It's ones where different jurisdictions are working collaboratively.
[39:36] It connects you from point A to point B, fills in critical gaps.
[39:41] So it really we're checking all the boxes for Utah Trail Network funding and I think it's really
[39:47] probable that we would receive that funding. The problem is we don't know, we don't know until we
[39:55] go to the next step what the fiscal impact could be because we don't have an engineered study.
[40:01] This is a feasibility study level and that's where it kind of ends is feasibility. So what we're asking
[40:08] tonight is not a commitment that we will go all the way with this project, but that
[40:12] we will go to the next step.
[40:15] Yeah, and I get that.
[40:17] I guess worst case scenario, if funding becomes a real issue, we just delaying, is that
[40:26] the bottom line?
[40:27] Right.
[40:32] Well, I think you've convinced Ted at this point, so.
[40:36] Well, I just wanted, you didn't have to convince me either and I've been part of some of these meetings but I just want to thank you.
[40:46] My father is 81 and he walks five to seven miles every morning at 5 a.m. around the city.
[40:52] He loves Mathis Park and kind of the green way that we have down on the west side of 89 but I worry sometimes per safety at that time and without a consistent
[41:04] and trail network.
[41:06] And so I just think this is such an improvement to quality of life and
[41:11] safety and help being able to get out and be outside an exercise.
[41:18] So I'm really, really excited about this.
[41:22] I'm grateful for all of the effort that both of you have put in,
[41:26] along with everyone else.
[41:28] Takes a lot of hands to lift something like this, but I think it's great.
[41:32] So thank you.
[41:33] Is your father ever met Conrad Jacobson?
[41:37] You know I wonder, do you guys pass?
[41:39] You might.
[41:41] I'll tell him to watch for you and you can wave.
[41:45] Okay.
[41:46] Well, we need to have a motion to support this study.
[41:54] I feel like Ted should do it.
[41:56] Do you want me to do it?
[42:00] Go ahead.
[42:02] Okay.
[42:02] Well, I'm happy to make a motion that the City Council accept the results of the South
[42:07] They have a screenway feasibility study.
[42:09] All seconded.
[42:11] Thank you.
[42:12] Any further discussion?
[42:14] I don't know that we need a roll call, but let's do it.
[42:17] Tammy?
[42:18] Aye.
[42:19] Aye.
[42:20] Aye.
[42:21] Aye.
[42:21] Thank you.
[42:22] And thank you, Brent and Allie, and that.
[42:27] Next item is a review of plans for the City Own Park.
[42:35] Next to us, Ken.
[42:37] Thanks, Mayor.
[42:37] There, this project has been discussed a couple of times in council meeting and at the
[42:44] last, at the meeting on July 21st, so not the last council meeting, we've read some
[42:50] plans previously.
[42:52] Those plans were fairly extensive and we received an assignment from the council to take another
[43:00] look at the site and see if we couldn't improve the site, but at a far less cost.
[43:07] than what we looked at in July.
[43:10] So,
[43:13] we did that, we have used G Brown designed to go back and look at some concepts for us.
[43:22] This is a much abbreviated concept you'll see if you remember and I don't have the previous
[43:27] plan, I didn't, we could find it, I mean we could look it up and if you want to see it.
[43:34] But this is a different plan. It's a beautiful plan, but it's much more simple than what we looked at before.
[43:42] The concepts you may have understood from reading the material, there's basically two concepts.
[43:49] This concept number one, which is the recommended concept, grades the park from east to west down.
[43:59] So there is some there is some grade change from east to west. It's highest on the east and then goes down towards the west as
[44:08] Everything does here goes towards the Jordan River
[44:12] And so we would grade the property from basically the street level on Highway 89 down to the street level on main street
[44:21] Where it would it would actually meet with or be a similar grade to the city's
[44:27] existing property at City Hall on the north end of City Hall, the north end of this property.
[44:35] So the advantage of this plan is that it provides visibility into the property as we talked before.
[44:42] It's less expensive because we don't have an expensive retaining wall system on the main street side.
[44:49] And it's a more comfortable feeling park for pedestrians and those folks who might
[44:57] be in the neighborhood and us.
[45:00] Well, this is a really good design in a lot of different ways.
[45:05] I'll go to the second concept in it. And I didn't make this one as big. It's a very similar plan, except that it does not include grading of the property. Basically, what you see out there today would be the grade, but it would include a retaining wall. It also includes the same landscaping that we
[45:29] we have on Concept 1, and we'll get into the cost estimates.
[45:35] So Concept 1's cost estimates, so we had JLR, who we've been working with in the city on
[45:43] the Eagle Ridge Drive Project, do some cost estimates for us on these two concept plans.
[45:51] Concept 1 is $207,000, and Concept 2 is $238,000.
[45:58] and the main difference being the expense of the retaining wall.
[46:04] We have some additional work to do.
[46:08] Some design work has to take the concept plan to a construction level design, and that
[46:18] work needs to be included, and we also did not have an irrigation estimate for either of
[46:25] these plans.
[46:26] times. So we think that we can do irrigation improvements for about $20,000.
[46:33] Our, this item has been placed on the agenda as an award of bid to JLR because it falls
[46:42] below, it falls into a category of project below $250,000 that the council is authorized to
[46:51] to approve without going through a formal bidding process.
[46:56] And some of you know about that exemption in the city's purchasing code.
[47:02] Others who haven't been on the council as long, I put this excerpt from the city's purchasing code on this slide.
[47:14] so that just so you know that this is one of the exemptions to our competitive bidding process
[47:22] that you can award this bid just by working with a contractor or a group that might do the construction for you.
[47:31] You can award it to JLR up to $250,000 and that's really where we are on this project.
[47:41] I think this was we added this exemption a few years ago for exactly this type of project where we wished to save money
[47:52] bidding projects is expensive and requires lots of oversight and other staffing costs. We think this project fits into this
[48:01] exemption perfectly and so that's the recommendation.
[48:06] You don't need to take action in the work meeting.
[48:12] But I can, we can answer questions, we've put this on the consent calendar to award the
[48:19] bid to JLR for up to $250,000.
[48:24] And so you can do that in your regular meeting on the consent calendar.
[48:30] One last thing I would say, and just by way of being transparent about what you're awarding,
[48:36] As part of this award, it's being awarded to JLR, but that includes additional consulting fees to G-Brown design.
[48:51] So the design work, we've spent about $8,000 of the design work already in preparing these plans.
[48:59] So, the remaining $10,000 or so part of that, so part of this $245,000 will go to G-Brown
[49:08] Design.
[49:08] And I wanted to make sure you understood that as part of this award, it's not 100% to
[49:13] JLR.
[49:14] Someone goes to, a small portion goes to G-Brown Design.
[49:19] Okay.
[49:19] I think that's all I had.
[49:21] So, can I ask a quick question?
[49:23] Yeah.
[49:23] Go back to the bid for a second.
[49:25] Yes.
[49:25] Yes.
[49:28] We control the West Street, Main Street. U.Dot controls Highway 89. Can we do the work
[49:40] and load it from Main Street and avoid the $7,500 permit?
[49:46] That's a good question. I'll have to have Karen to answer that. Maybe do you want to?
[49:54] We're going to need the U.Dot permit. We will need the U.Dot permit even if we load from
[49:59] the downhill side because the right-of-way extends a significant distance into the parcel
[50:05] and if we do any kind of shoulder closure. If we can do all of the loading from the
[50:12] downside, you're correct. We would not need that permit. I would hesitate to assume that
[50:17] can be done with that existing slope, though.
[50:24] Does that answer your question? Not satisfactorily.
[50:32] I can add to it by saying we'll try and we can do that for sure.
[50:39] Absolutely.
[50:40] And if we're driving in and out through an existing driver approach onto the road and
[50:45] we're not close to shoulder, we do not need to you don't permit.
[50:48] And I think that is entirely doable.
[50:50] So not loading from the other side, but not closing any lanes on USA89.
[50:55] So we'll work to do that.
[51:00] I have a couple of basic questions about the designs.
[51:04] Can you go to the first concept?
[51:07] So I think the air photo is showing through, are we predominantly seeing native grass?
[51:13] So a passer by a, on the sidewalk would see native grass, a person walking through the,
[51:21] I think we're still reading a path through the middle would predominantly walk through
[51:26] native grass.
[51:26] that nothing against that I'm just clarifying what I'm looking at and then what
[51:34] what's the user experience difference between this and concept 2 why would we
[51:41] consider concept 2 over concept 1 since it's is it's just it's got more of a
[51:47] flat topography across the whole site yeah concept 2 so kids could play in the
[51:54] Well, concept two would basically leave the property at the grade that you see today.
[52:02] So at its highest point, there's about a 12-foot grade difference between the sidewalk
[52:08] on Main Street and the level surface of this property.
[52:13] And as you go south on the sidewalk, that elevation gets smaller and smaller, that elevation
[52:20] change.
[52:21] And I guess I'm just looking for like an editorial comment. Why would that be good?
[52:26] Why would we pay more for that?
[52:28] We wouldn't. But we asked G Brown design to give us a design that had the retaining wall system in it
[52:36] to see what it would look like. So that's why you have those two plants.
[52:42] Under either design, can we, if we want to incorporate the train element, is that still an option?
[52:51] I don't think we're closing the door on the on the installation of any improvements in the middle of the park, so yes, that's still an option.
[52:59] But you can see that it's a greatly reduced treatment of the middle of the park.
[53:05] And so I think Council Member Nilton, your observation is exactly right that we're really not doing a whole lot to the middle of the park area.
[53:16] And to that middle are we adding grasses or we're just letting it sit and whatever grows grows?
[53:24] I don't know if I can tell you the answer to that.
[53:27] So the intent would be in native seed wildflower mix, which is supposed to be pretty weeds.
[53:36] But if that's something I love that.
[53:40] And I would love, there are several spaces throughout the city.
[53:42] I would love it if the city had as regular maintenance they go received wildflowers in several spaces that are left like this throughout
[53:50] They like once a year. I would love that. So I love that idea. Great. I can see in the
[53:56] cost that there is money for wood
[54:00] mulch and rock is the area I'd go back to the other one. The parts towards the point of the triangle and the back end
[54:07] Is that where the rock and the wood would be? Yes. Okay
[54:11] Okay. Great. And then I'm checking off my questions.
[54:17] Because we are using the same developers, I would just like to open the question again
[54:22] to the City Council about the glass rocks at the roundabout. As I understand it, the
[54:27] developers offered those to us like the week that wasn't done at additional offer.
[54:33] I remember the conversation that we were kind of giving us a deal or something.
[54:38] I think, yeah, I think that's a really good point and should be clarified as many times as possible because it's a point of misunderstanding.
[54:47] There is a small company in North Salt Lake down in the industrial zone and they offered and gave us about $50,000 worth of glass for free, for a mutually benefit exposure to their company.
[55:05] In the industrial area, a lot of people don't know any of the businesses that are down there because they tend to be
[55:13] fairly playing brick and mortar and they are generally just distributing out so they don't have a store front, per se.
[55:22] So I do think it, yeah, that's a really good point.
[55:26] The developer didn't have anything to do with that. That was just an offer from a company.
[55:33] And we didn't pay for the glass rocks correct correct so if I just want to open the question again, and it's not
[55:40] Something that I am standing on a hill over
[55:44] But do we want to keep the glass rocks there? I love in the design the kind of
[55:48] River feel that the grass rocks create, but I wonder if we could replace the grass rocks with wood mulch
[55:56] So there's the rocks on the side, but wood mulch does the river down the middle
[55:59] If we feel like this is an issue that's behind us, that is fine with me, or is this an issue in this project we'd like to swap it out and get rid of the glass rocks.
[56:10] Is there any other opinions?
[56:13] My perception is that we took some of the rocks and threw them in the river if you will and it kind of broke it up.
[56:22] And I haven't heard any negative comments since.
[56:26] I'll say I drive by every day and my initial reaction was shock and now I see it and I like it.
[56:32] So I drive it every and I actually had, there were a few negative comments in the beginning,
[56:36] really loud.
[56:37] The majority of what I hear now is, oh, I like it.
[56:39] It's not as bad as everybody said it was because that initial like, pure or over it was like,
[56:45] I get out of town and came home and thought it was going to be devastating and then I saw
[56:47] it and I was like, well, what's it really complaining about?
[56:49] So I personally saw it in the pictures and when it was shot and person went it's not as bad as I thought and everybody
[56:56] I talked to now is like ah it's fine I don't care it looks good so I think to spend the time or any energy to
[57:03] replace something that people are saying I like it or I have no opinion about it is a waste of time
[57:09] and money that's just my opinion. I think it's also important to recognize what we would be
[57:18] saying as a city, if we replaced it and that was a $50,000 gift, then are we willing as a city to pay that company $50,000 because their donation just got erased, and they wouldn't get their benefit on the mutually beneficial side of it.
[57:40] So, that would be something that would have to be seriously considered, is it worth that amount of money to us
[57:47] based on like Heidi mentioned some feedback right at the beginning, the initial shock. I've had the same. I've had
[57:55] both sides
[57:57] people like it, people don't like it. I do think as the other
[58:02] shrubbery and trees grow up, it's going to change the
[58:07] The fact that your eye goes right there, right in the beginning.
[58:11] But as other things grow, I do think it's going to change the overall look.
[58:17] So my personal recommendation would be to pause and let's give it at least a season
[58:24] to see how things work out and also to show our appreciation and give the ability for that
[58:34] exposure to the company that made such a large donation.
[58:37] That would be my personal feeling, but obviously, work group.
[58:42] My, my two cents is I do not like the blue rock overall, but
[58:48] I think that waiting a season feels prudent.
[58:53] Can I just say all this, I, for the record, if we, for some bizarre reason, took it out.
[59:01] But I do not feel that we would owe them back the $50,000.
[59:06] They made us a gift.
[59:07] That was their choice.
[59:09] We are on a hook in no way, shape, and to reimburse them for a gift, there is no written
[59:13] contract that we said, hey, you give us this, so the financial thing is a moot point for
[59:18] me.
[59:18] If we keep it, we keep it.
[59:19] They chose to give a gift with no string attached.
[59:23] So I just want to say, if the rock comes out in a year, I feel no obligation to reimburse
[59:30] them for that.
[59:30] So that's a really good clarification. There is no contractual obligation. I think it's a good
[59:37] neighbor good faith type situation. I think it's interesting to see what everybody says because
[59:45] someone just this week said to me, I was expecting an eagle because it's on eagle ridge so
[59:52] they when they saw the rocks that was their take on it. So when I first saw it, I actually liked it.
[1:00:00] I, I, I thought when the sunshine was on it, and it was really pretty, and so I, I agree. I think give it time and see what happens with the plants and see if maybe it perhaps grows on all of us and the rest of the city. And maybe it becomes something like the whale on night the night that people have grown to love. You know, maybe one super quick note. It looks like some of the grasses have died, just to note. Sometimes grasses have that way of looking.
[1:00:29] So not positive.
[1:00:31] Those are all my questions.
[1:00:33] We are following.
[1:00:34] I think it's good for us to follow up with the contractor.
[1:00:37] Some of that landscaping looks like it's having a hard time.
[1:00:40] So we'll follow up.
[1:00:42] Quick note on that.
[1:00:43] They did verbally say that they're coming in the fall to hydro seed.
[1:00:49] And that all of the trees and shrubbery are under a one-year warranty.
[1:00:53] and they're planning on swapping out in the fall anything that died then, and then they'll come back again within the one year to do that again, so that is part of the agreement.
[1:01:11] Do we have any more questions for Ken on this?
[1:01:14] Thank you, Ken.
[1:01:15] Thank you.
[1:01:15] Okay, let's take a quick break, and we'll reconvene and we'll hit these other items at the end of our regular session.
[1:01:28] Well, we'll need to, so it's in the consent agenda, so we'll need to determine before we vote on that, which one we want.
[1:01:38] Which, why do we want the cheaper one?
[1:01:40] Yeah, I think on the consent agenda.
[1:01:43] Guiding you, why do we want that cheaper one?
[1:01:45] It's just written as improvements up to $250,000 so you could say concept one.