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I'd like to open this evening's a meeting of the Northbrook Plan Commission, Deputy Director Callsett, please call the roll. Commissioner Braiman. Here. Commissioner Halperin. Here. Commissioner Caravitas. Commissioner McKillip-Funfeld. Here. Commissioner Melnick. Here. Commissioner Morgan. Here. Commissioner Pepito. Here. Commissioner Walden. Here. Chairman Alisco. Here. So before we get started, I have to make a couple of comments.

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announcements here.

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I wanted to thank two commissioners who came off the commission on this past month.

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First, Jeff Sandler, who served for five years from 2006 through 2011, moved out of town.

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When you're out of town, you can't be a commissioner.

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And then moved back to the village in 2017 and then served another eight years and two months.

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And then found and then he was all

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Also, my chair pro tem from 2021 to the present day. Mark de Bartolo, who served the eight years, the past eight years, from 2017 through 2025. Both of these commissioners were very dedicated. They took notes, they attended most of every meeting. They always had interesting perspectives, and if you've compared the two, they were like opposite ends of what their positions would be, but they always brought something important to the presentations and to the petitions that we were

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analyzing, provided different perspectives, and that's actually what we enjoy here, having

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nine people that come from very backgrounds, different perspectives, but yet we all come

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together to vote on things for the betterment of Northbrook.

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So we thank both of these gentlemen for their years of service.

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And so now we have two new members, and I'm going to let them each speak on their own behalf

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first.

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To my left is Katie Van Goh.

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I'm Katie. I previously served on the Northbrook Economic Development Commission for two years

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and asked me to join this commission recently. So I'm excited to get started. I've

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lived in Northbrook since 2012. I guess I should say that too.

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And then to my right is Andrea Pepito.

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I so I'm new to the commissions in general. I've been in Northbrook since 2017-20.

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welcome

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both these new commissioners for each for each for your term. Moving on in our agenda we have a minutes of approval for the June 17th 2025 meeting do I have a motion to approve.

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I move to approve the minutes.

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Second.

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Okay, Deputy Director, close up, please call the roll.

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Commissioner Braiman.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Halperin.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Melnick.

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Commissioner Morgan.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Walden.

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I was not at the meeting, so I'll abstain.

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And Chairman, let's go.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Moving on, we have the Community Planning Report.

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So,

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as Chairman Alisco mentioned, we have two new members, so welcome to the two new commissioners who are joining us this evening.

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I am going to start off with my fund reminder to everybody if you're going to speak at the microphones.

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We'll want to make sure they're on and that the lights are turned green.

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And to our commissioners please speak directly into the microphone as it is directional when you are speaking.

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And then the other thing I want to do is we have two new commissioners is introduce commissioners to staff.

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I'm Michaela Colstad, deputy director for development and planning services.

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We have Amy McEwen, our director.

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We have senior planner, Swadi Pandy.

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And then we also have Nayakart, planning and zoning technician.

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And not here today due to scheduling is Richard Peters, who is our zoning administrator code enforcement officer.

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And I just want to give a big thanks to that group, and all the work they've put into the zoning code rewrite that is going to be discussed this evening, as well as a big thank you to Jackie Berg, our consultant from How Seal the Bean, who will also present.

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And then in addition to the staff in the DPS department that have been working for the past year and a half, two years on this zoning code.

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other departments within the village have also participated in this.

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So thank you to all of the departments, police, fire, public works, the village engineer, the village manager's office.

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And then to Caitlin Calbertson, village attorney, and the staff at Elratt Friedman, who have also helped review this, has gone through many lenses and including Kate Carnier Sustainability Coordinator.

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That's an exciting position to have here at the village when we're working on code updates such as this.

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So that way our new commissioners are aware of the staff that's involved and the big thank you to everybody.

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being on.

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Next segment in our agenda is the public comment time and this is an opportunity for

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somebody to come up to the podium and speak about an issue that's not on tonight's agenda.

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And part of that is, I'm obligated to read this lengthy statement, but it's also important not only for the people who might speak about a different topic, but it's also covers all the different aspects of what common time is during a public hearing. And we will have a public hearing that we will be entering into, so all those same items pertain to that public hearing is.

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As if it was happening right now during this portion for somebody to speak about a different topic. This agenda item is reserved for members of the public who desire to address the plan commission on a topic that is within the purview and jurisdiction of the plan commission, but is not on another location on the agenda. If you would like to speak about a matter that is listed on the agenda, we ask that you wait until that agenda item is called, and we will give you the opportunity to speak then.

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Anyone desiring to speak should fill out a written speaker form which are located on the back table and hand it over to deputy director on coal stat.

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Public comment time is not a form for open dialogue or engagement with the members of the plan commission.

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Rather, it is intended as an opportunity for you to make comments to the plan commission.

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While the plan commission will not immediately respond to public comments at this meeting or

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in a back and forth discussion during the meeting,

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please be assured that the plan commission

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is actively listening to all comments, thoughts, and suggestions.

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All speakers will be limited to a total of three minutes.

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We request that everyone be respectful, civil, and non-repetitive.

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And we ask that members of the audience refrain

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from applauding or making other comments

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during or after any speaker.

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Thank you for your understanding

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and taking the time to contribute

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to the success of our community.

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I just want to also remind those who are here who want to speak on items that are on the agenda you do not need to fill out the comment card but after you speak you will need to sign in and we will remind you at that time as well.

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So after some consultation we decided to combine both items to one public hearing that are that's on our agenda the first one is the actual new zoning code and the second one is

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is the rezoning from the O5 to the O2, I will read each one of these consecutively which

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formally introduces and opens up the public hearing.

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The first one is docket number PCD25-09, new zoning code public hearing.

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An application by the President and Board of Trustees of the Village of Northbrook to consider

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a comprehensive amendment to the current zoning code of the Village of Northbrook by repealing

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in replacing the existing zoning code in its entirety and

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adopting a new zoning code with the following components.

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Article one, general provisions, Article two, ordinance,

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administration and enforcement, Article three, single family residential district standards,

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Article four, multi-family residential and mixed-use standards,

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Article five, office district standards, Article six, commercial district standards,

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Article 7, Industrial District Standards, Article 8, Institutional Open Space District Standards, Article 9, Overlay District Standards, Article 10, General Development Standards, Article 11, Sign Standards, Article 12, Non-conformities, Article 13, Inclusionary Housing and New Development, and Article 14 definitions.

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Second public hearing will be docket PDC 25-10, 2890 through 2990, Dundee Road, rezoning

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request.

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It's a public hearing and application by the President and Board of Trustees of the

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Village of Northbrook to eliminate the O5 restricted office district as a zoning district classification

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within the village and to rezone the properties located at 2890 and 2990, Dundee Road from

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O5 restricted office district to the O2 limited office districts.

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The other unusual thing is, we don't have an outside petitioner, this is actually the village of Northbrook's initiated public hearing.

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So I will have to swear in the staff as well as our consultant.

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So if anyone on our staff who plans on speaking or answering questions this evening would please hand.

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Is your right hand, do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give regarding these

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two petitions will be complete and truthful?

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Okay, very good.

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Okay, so I see these screens.

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Thank you, Nicholas.

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Okay, so as I mentioned, this has been a very long time coming.

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The last zoning code was adopted in 1988.

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The world has changed a lot since then.

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and it's going to continue changing.

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So the past couple of years has been spent with various,

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Staff Committee's reviewing documents, the consultant doing research and review of existing conditions in the community. We've had numerous open houses. We've had roundtable discussions. We've had numerous joint meetings of the Board of Trustees and the Plan Commission. That gets us to the public hearing today. Similar to how those other past events were noticed. The public hearing today was noticed not only published in the newspaper, but it was posted on the villages.

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web page on the project web page, social media postings, announcements, signs

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hanging up in the village hall. I'm print newsletter that gets mailed out to

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all the properties e-newsletter. It goes out every week and if you're not

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signed up, I highly recommend signing up for the Northbrook e-newsletter. You can

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do that on the village website. And then for the rezoning component of the

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the public hearing, the code compliant surrounding property owner, mailed notice was also conducted

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and a certified return receipt, mailed notice was sent to the property owners within 250 feet

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excluding the right of way around 2890 and 2990, Dundee Road.

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So that has all been completed.

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And that gets us to this point this evening where I'm going to introduce Jackie Berg of House

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Sila Bean who's going to come up and give a presentation and we're kind of both going

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to be presenting on and off, but Jack is going to kick us off here back

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in front of you.

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So today we're going to go over a brief project overview, so some of the goal work and timeline,

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and then a brief overview of community engagement.

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I'm Akhilin at a great job kind of talking about all the locations and meetings that we've

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held throughout, but I also want to give a little recap of that.

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that we held to present the new zoning code to the public.

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And we'll go through some of the major missions

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that we're proposing to the new code.

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So we have had three project goals.

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We have had three project goals that have really guided this process

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throughout, preserve community identity, prioritize the user experience,

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and promote sustainability initiatives.

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So these have been our kind of lenses by which we've looked at all of the various zoning

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code updates that you all will be.

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Our scope of work has included seven steps.

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We are in the final step, the draft and final zoning code.

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Michaela had mentioned about a two-year process, which is very typical for a project of this

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breadth and scope.

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Very diligent about iteratively bringing you all in the village board, draft chapters, draft

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articles for your consideration.

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We're fine. Those articles with your feedback and so that the

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full drafts that you have in front of you was really of the goals and the vision that you

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all have for the community.

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In terms of our timeline, we just kicked off in the spring of 2023.

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For community engagement, we had a kickoff open house and an online questionnaire.

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Then we got into the preliminary recommendations in the fall and we had online review and a workshop

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with you all. We had then we moved into the... Sorry, so Jackie we're going to ask you if you can hold a microphone while you're talking. Thank you.

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Too tall for the microphones. So then we moved in the spring of 2024 to actually drafting the various zoning code articles and the new map.

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So we had three workshops with you all where the public was invited to come and listen in and of course provide their feedback online.

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Then in the spring of 2025, we had the final zoning code all pulled together and an additional

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workshop with you all.

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And then in the summer of this year, we had two pre-adoption open houses where the public

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was invited to come and write their feedback on the full draft code.

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Our first open house was on June 10th.

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It was held at the Village Hall lobby and was attended by 16 people.

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The second open house was on June 11th and it was in the public library lobby and it was

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attended by about three.

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We received quite a bit of feedback. This is just a selection

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of some of the comments that were received. All of the comments are included in the packet

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that you all have for this meeting. But of course, we heard some support and some concerns

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over increased housing options. So a lot of kind of feedback on both sides of the coin

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for that one. So some people who were interested and excited about the possibility of higher

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density housing being introduced in the village and others who were concerned that it

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did not quite fit the care.

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Director of the community might overwhelm density traffic.

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We also heard feedback on a lot of other topics as well. So parking spaces, bicycle infrastructure, form-based standards, work for the new form-based standards in the downtown, updated signing regulations. So, work for that change. And then support also for streamlining of the permitting process that we are introducing.

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Questions on how we got here?

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here today before we get in.

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So we have 14 articles in the new zoning code.

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There are four that I wanted to go over.

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Are with you all today.

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So some of these are changes that we've presented to you

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previously, but I'm had received feedback

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from the public open houses are from public comment

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that we wanted to back up and then others are changes

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that were proposed between the last workshop

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that we held with you all and today's meeting.

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So we want to do it.

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Starting off with ordinance administration and enforcement, so we have our general procedures overview,

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summarize our procedures. I, who is responsible for recommending a decision whether or not there's a couple of hearing that's required.

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Also, help to specify the whether residents should expect to receive, whether they should look for a sign on the property will be published.

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and we have

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eliminated the distinction between permitted and major variation, a common update

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that we have been making throughout the Illinois and Chicago land area.

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Now, variances can be sought for any standard, except for uses, temporary measures, and

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any standards of the flood hazard overlaid.

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We're planning unit developments. We have a new one-step process for

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We're developments over 200,000 square feet.

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Right hand side of the screen with that process looks like

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we also have included flow charts like this.

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All of the procedures are article

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so that it's really clear and friendly

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for folks who come next and what to expect.

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Administrative modifications, these are a new procedure

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that's being put to provide relief for residents

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and property owners when they're seeking minor deviations from the code, so rather than having

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to go in for a variance that requires a longer meeting, a public hearing, now it's just these

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minor changes can be reviewed by the law. They're very specific and kind of like these modifications

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can be all spelled out in the code. There are very clear and objective review criteria so that

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that any staff member of any development planning services staff would make the same decisions

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come to the same conclusion in terms of whether the administrative modification can be approved

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or not.

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Next we'll get into the single family residential district standards.

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So on the screen here, we have our current dimensional standards and we are proposing a minor

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change to the R4 and the R5 districts, and you can see that those standards that we're

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proposing to change are highlighted there by that red outline.

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The new standards that are proposed are here on the screen, so we had done an analysis

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of existing lot sizes and found that these that are proposed here for the two districts

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really match up with the development and the lots that you all have on the ground today.

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So we wanted to bring as many of those parcels into conformity as possible, and that is the driving factor behind these changes.

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Another change that we are proposing for all districts is to eliminate FAR or floor area ratio standards.

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This is a tricky calculation that residents or builders would need to make.

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It really kind of complicate the administration of the code and doesn't achieve all of the goals that it's set out to do.

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It also could, in the past, had caused some issues specifically with, you know, the area

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of hurt or garage, not being able to be finished.

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And then people later, without getting permits, finishing that space, so we really wanted

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to make sure that everyone was able to kind of legally use all of this space in their home.

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And then, of course, get all the permits to make sure everything was compliant with all of the building codes, etc. And rather than FAR,

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now the kind of bulk and massing of a building is still regulated, of course, through our building setbacks and our building standards,

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including height, maximums, lot coverage, and building coverage.

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We are also proposing duplexes, those would be buildings with two single-family dwellings.

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They're proposed to be by right in the R5 district.

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So they would have the same lot area and with minimum that would be required for a single

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family detached home.

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So they would really fit into the kind of character and development pattern of the R5 areas.

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And there was a request at our last workshop for some research to be done about the impacts

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of introducing duplexes into single family neighborhoods.

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and according to the APA, when Minneapolis introduced duplexes and other mid-density housing types,

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property values increased by a modest 3% to 5%, so certainly didn't trigger gentrification

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like some of the commissioners were concerned about.

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Now I'm going to turn it over to Makila who wants to go into a bit more detail about duplexes

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in single-family districts and kind of this trend in the region over time.

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really afraid to talk with all these microphones that I have no idea the reaction that is going to happen.

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So today we received additional inquiries and questions about duplexes and what those look like.

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So quickly before this meeting staff just wanted to put together an inventory of images with additional information about duplexes in single family zoning.

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So this afternoon, Saudi and Naya helped put together some quick research and found several

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surrounding communities where duplexes are allowed in the most and single family residential

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district.

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Some of those communities include Libertyville, Highland Park, Wilmet, Morton Grove, Deerfield,

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yep.

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And Glendu wasn't on the list, but they are going to appear in my slideshow because there

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There are duplexes surrounded by single family in the village of Glenview, in the Glen,

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which I believe was a planned development, so perhaps it's not a specific single family

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zoning district, but I wanted to include some images because of the design that helps

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give perspective on what a duplex could look like in a single family community.

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So the first slide here, this is a duplex located on a corner lot.

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So, you see a front door on one side of the street and one on the other street.

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Similar scenario here, actually, no, this is not, this is a duplex with both units facing

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the street.

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Somehow we skipped a bunch of slides, sorry, so let me back up.

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So, the first one here is the corner lot where you're seeing a front door for each unit

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on each street side.

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This is another corner lot. It was hard because of the trees to get a picture of the second door on the other side.

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But it's the same as that first slide. This is a different town. All of these are within those towns we've just named.

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Third one, this was the one I started out with. This is also a corner lot, a door on each side.

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Then we get into the design of a side-by-side, so that's what we're seeing here, a side-by-side

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with single-family residential around it.

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Another side-by-side proposed here, we'll not propose this as all constructed.

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This is also another form of a side-by-side duplex construction.

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This is, I'm not sure the correct term.

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I think of it as stacked lengthwise, so it's a front back scenario, so there's a unit in front and there's another unit with a front door as you continue down the driveway.

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This is an instance of a hard to tell again because of the design of it being in a single family neighborhood, but what we are seeing here and you guys cannot see my cursor.

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But there is a duplex behind the tree that has two front doors on the front facade.

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And then this is another instance of a corner duplex that I was mentioning in the glen.

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And then lastly, this is a stacked scenario.

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This is a duplex unit with first floor, second floor, as separate residential units also surrounded

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by single family residential.

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So...

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So these are just some images that we put together just to help give another understanding of what duplexes in single-family zoning can look like, and that this is something that is already taking place in other surrounding communities in the area. So it's not something new necessarily, but it is new to us here in Northbrook.

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So in addition to duplexes, we are also proposing to allow cottage courts in the R5 district. So these would involve multiple smaller single-family drawings.

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on one lot. They are proposed to be allowed on a lot with a minimum of 20,000 square feet,

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and 110 feet of width. So we wanted to show you all how these could contextually fit within

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the R5 district. So found this block here. It's on Walters and Briarwood Lane, and then to get the

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dimensions that would be required for a cottage home court. Four of these lots would need to be

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acquired and consolidated. That would get you about 30,000 square feet in area and 115 feet

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in width. And then we did some rough calculations. So with 800 square foot cottage court dwelling,

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which is a pretty average size dwelling for this type of housing, there's a requirement for

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a common court space and that we have here at 2500 square feet. There's also an allowance for

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a community building, so because the homes are so small, some of the kind of more gathering

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type spaces would be in a community building that's shown there in blue. And then of course

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the parking for all of the dwellings would be required. So you can see how that's laid out on

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this 30,000 square foot lot. And then here you can see how that may overlay within the district.

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So we have maintained the setbacks on the front of both center avenue and Walters Avenue and then the side setbacks that exist along Briarwood Lane and then to the interior loss there to the right.

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Next we'll get into the commercial district standards.

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So in the last version of the code that we presented to you all, the C1 specialty commercial

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district was proposed to be eliminated.

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Those parcels were then proposed to be rezoned to the C2 district, but because of feedback

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that we got from property owners, we were proposing to reintroduce this district as a legacy

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district.

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So it being a legacy district means that all of the existing standards and use allowances

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will remain as is, but the district designation cannot be applied to any other properties within

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the village. So, someone couldn't request to be re-zoned into the C1 district, but the

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existing uses and allowances for development in the district will remain as is, nothing would

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become non-conforming.

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For the commercial districts and all of the districts, we have proposed

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a modernized use table, so your current table is based on the SIC, our standard industrial

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classifications manual, and it has very, very minor distinctions between uses, and we'll

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show some examples here, but has really made it difficult to propose new uses, modern

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uses here in the village, because it requires a zoning text amendment every time.

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So, we're proposing in our modernized table to streamline these uses, help to future-proof

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the table. There are many, many uses that in 1988, they did not anticipate that we

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are including in this new code. And likewise, in five, ten years, maybe even the day after

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it's adopted, there may be a brand new use that the village has never considered that you

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all would like to allow here in the village that the new code would better and more easily

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of Humidate. Some of those new uses are co-working spaces, micro breweries, wineries and distilleries,

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artisan manufacturing, commercial kitchens, all these sort of new types of uses that have

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really come up as part of the gig economy or post-COVID types of employment uses.

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We also have new categories, so if a general retail, general office, personal service,

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These are uses that would be defined to include a lot of similar uses that have comparable impacts while still having uses that the village wants to regulate differently or have separate standards for not included in that definition so that we're kind of very clear as to what is considered general retail and what is not.

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So, just an example, this is a snapshot of your very, very long current use feeble. So, all of these uses retail binoculars, artificial flower retailers, autographed and philitalist supply stores. So, all of these hyper-specific uses that I'm not even sure what some of them mean, would all now be considered general retail, because the impacts of these uses would all be very

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very similar to each other.

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So you can see here in the code the General Retail category that would be allowed as a

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P, as a permitted use in all of the commercial districts, but going back here you can see

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tobacco stores and stands is called out as a specific use that we wanted to have some additional

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standards for, so we have tobacco retail sale drawn out separately from the General Retail

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category and it would now require a special use permit rather than being permitted by

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right.

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So you can see here the current use table is what nine pages long, it's very lengthy.

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We're proposing to replace it with one that's just three and a half pages long, so not

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only is it making your code a little bit shorter but it also is more user friendly and again

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will help you all administer the code in new uses as time progresses.

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Next,

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we want to go over some changes to the overlay district standards.

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So we have new standards that are proposed for the village green overlay.

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The purpose of these standards is to provide more certainty for development and redevelopment in the downtown

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and encourage appropriate growth while protecting the areas character.

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So currently, the designer view requirements, they lack the clarity needed to really ensure that new development

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would be in keeping with the area's character.

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It's difficult for residents, developers,

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officials to predict approvals to know,

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to have that fair certainty as to what can or cannot happen in that area.

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So hopefully these new standards will provide that objectivity that's needed

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to make sure that everyone has a clear picture of what can and can happen.

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So some of those new standards include building design standards.

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So a new requirement for building height, so because this is the kind of downtown area in Northbrook we are proposing to require a two-story minimum for new buildings.

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Since there is that mixed use development character where you have retail uses on the ground floor and maybe office uses residential uses or just extended retail uses on upper floors.

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So, the code isn't saying what you have to do on those two floors, on those two stories,

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but it is saying the built form of the building to maintain that development pattern that

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we see in the billage green overlay today, a two-story building at minimum would be required.

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We're also proposing a building height step back and you can see that in the photo or in the diagram

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on the upper right of the screen. So, this is to help preserve the sidewalk feel,

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avoid that canyon effect where you feel kind of closed in by really tall buildings,

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then to maintain visual connection to the surroundings and that visual consistency of development.

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We're also proposing new facade articulation standards.

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They are menu of options that the developer would need to choose at least four of.

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We have two of those options that are shown here in these bottom.

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diagrams on the right side of the screen. The reason for the menu approaches to avoid cookie

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cutter designs to avoid all of the new development in the village screen looking exactly the same.

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So we want to provide that those options to the developer while still ensuring that that

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minimum standard is met.

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We are also proposing standards for exterior

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cladding materials. So there's a minimum requirement for a tier one material on new buildings that

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that would include brick and stone.

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And then it also limits the use of what we're calling tier two

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and tier three materials, like citing

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and metal panels to be more of those accent materials,

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as that we have a strong base of high quality,

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durable, long lasting materials,

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and then the more limited use of those other materials.

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We're also proposing new standards for glazing,

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we're more colloquially known as windows.

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so this would be windows in doors and just in the storefront facade so we have...

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So, requirements for large transparent storefront windows to really ensure that vibrant street

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frontage in the downtown area and really promote that downtown experience.

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Based off of feedback

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from you all and the village board during various workshops, we are proposing an allowed

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adjustment to vehicle parking standards in the village screen. So up to 50% of required parking

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spaces can be reduced or waived, but for residential uses, no less than one parking space

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could be a minimum of one parking space would be required per unit.

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So you couldn't get it waived lower than that, so there's still that minimum requirement

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for residential.

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Then for the development approval process, we're proposing that small scale developments be reviewed

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and decided upon by the Architectural Control Commission.

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And then larger projects would be continued to be reviewed

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and decided upon by the Village Board.

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Currently, all development goes through

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a Architectural Control Commission

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then to Village Board process.

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So we're proposing for those smaller scale projects

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to have a more streamlined process.

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Any questions on any of these proposed changes?

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I

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missed it in all the reading,

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but is there a high restriction on the duplex?

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It would be the same high restriction

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as a single-family home, which I believe is 35 feet.

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One parking per residence in the, you were just speaking about.

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They have to in addition to on-street parking, that's a lot.

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Exactly, yes.

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I have questions regarding the duplexes and the college court.

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Has there been a demand for that in the village, or is it something that you're just anticipating moving forward?

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So we haven't had inquiries for duplexes.

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We had one application several years ago for a cottage court proposed in the format of which we are

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Modifying the zoning code before you this evening to show that one did not proceed forward

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Whether it was the impetus of our current zoning code we're operating under or some other

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Reason why did not proceed forward, but it is something that is becoming more common in the area as people are looking

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for smaller homes, but not wanting a multi-family structure,

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wanting a still a free-standing structure, but with less maintenance responsibilities.

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So Cottage Court does provide that HOA aspect.

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Yeah, Cottage Courts have become an increasingly popular option for seniors who don't want to maintain their own lawns and all of that common space.

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But don't want to leave that single family home environment.

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And the opportunity for community building is also very popular for more senior oriented housing.

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So if you don't have the kind of secluded lifestyle that some seniors find themselves in if they are in their single family homes.

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Thank you.

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Hi, can you explain for the C1 district why that's being grandfathered in, why is it like a change from what was initially proposed?

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Yeah, certainly. So there are very few properties that are in the district currently, and when

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we had sent out the letters, letting them know that the rezoning was being pursued by

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the village, they reached out with concerns about that. They liked the kind of mix of uses,

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whether it's residential or commercial, that they were allowed to do under the C1 district

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today. So based off of that feedback, really, that was the reason we were listening to the

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property owners and wanted to accommodate kind of what their vision was for their

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parcels, maintain the flexibility that the C1 district currently allows, so I reintroducing

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it as a legacy district, they maintain all of their current development rights, what

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they can do with the property today, but it wouldn't allow for that C1 district to spread

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further within the village, so that kind of the new districts with the updated standards

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would be kind of the governing districts for the village moving forward.

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And in the future, and this was, again, I spoke with the property owners.

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In the future, when one of those properties is going to be redeveloped or

423
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,740
new use is introduced, it's at that time it would need to go into an adequate zoning district.

424
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,420
It would, it's legacy in that it will sunset eventually.

425
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,940
I don't know when, and that's based on the feedback from the property owners who are using

426
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:59,660
or intend to use their current structures as they are today with the flexibility of commercial and retail.

427
00:45:00,020 --> 00:45:30,000
Knowing the commercial limitations are very limited. So basically they're grandfathered in and then if it gets sold, does the grandfather? Does that file the new owner? Not necessarily because yes, yeah, if the new owner buys the building the lot and they continue to, you know, do whatever is happening there and they don't want to make any changes. Okay, but if they buy the lot and they want to do a building addition or they want to propose a new year.

428
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,640
use or some sort of a change then we would work with them to map it into the appropriate

429
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:42,200
district. And then regarding duplexes. And I don't want to get into the weeds here.

430
00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:53,940
But with all the duplexes have to be associations with like outside and the common insurance because

431
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:56,160
because like what you see with a lot of duplexes,

432
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,820
like if you go to like displayings

433
00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:00,380
or a Morton Grover Niles,

434
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:02,180
like if you look at North Lutheran General,

435
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:04,260
there's a lot of townhouses with outside,

436
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,720
where there's no association,

437
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,000
they're responsible for their insurance.

438
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,440
So you'll see like a two unit side by side,

439
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,520
and one house has a brand new roof,

440
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,720
and one house has like a 30-year-old roof.

441
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,600
So like is there anything in the code to address

442
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,880
like how, and if it's gonna be common insurance

443
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,140
an association, or is that just up to, and again, I don't mean to get in the weeds and

444
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:34,280
I don't know if I'm taking this too far, but I'm just wondering if this has been discussed

445
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:34,980
or thought of.

446
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:35,440
Yeah.

447
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:40,540
So as the quotas are currently the two duplex units would be on one lot, which would typically

448
00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:48,140
be, in order to maintain the lot and the building as a whole be required to have more of that

449
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:54,200
common insurance come like a home owners association or condo association because you wouldn't have

450
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:01,260
kind of single owners for one side of the duplex versus the other. Oh, they would. Okay, so they'd

451
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:07,180
have, okay. So I think that addresses your concern about kind of disparate maintenance between the

452
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:13,260
two sides because one property owner wouldn't be, you know, updating or maintaining the exterior of one

453
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:18,620
inside of the duplex and not out there because that happens when each unit owner is responsible

454
00:47:18,620 --> 00:47:24,740
for their exterior of their house. So they're saying that it would have to be like, even

455
00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:26,920
like a two-unit condo association. Yes.

456
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,960
But if I can follow up, but the ordinance doesn't

457
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:38,960
provide for the necessity. It doesn't require that, but because the duplex allowances for one

458
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,500
lot and that's splitting that lot down the middle the more kind of typical

459
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:48,100
approach would be to have that kind of condo association to manage that.

460
00:47:50,020 --> 00:47:51,320
Okay question

461
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:58,420
on the cottage court. You don't see this as replacing a single

462
00:47:58,420 --> 00:48:01,320
family residence because you need a lot more space. So this would be more of an

463
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,440
infill situation where you have several vacant lots together and then you're

464
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,800
influenced so that because I know a lot of people will worry about them being

465
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,120
inserted into the community and changing the character of the street line

466
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,920
but based on how we've got a plan that couldn't have.

467
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:16,080
Exactly, yes.

468
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,260
So because of the dimensional standards

469
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:20,860
for a cottage court being so much larger

470
00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:23,680
than what you have in the archive district

471
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,440
for single family homes and duplexes proposed,

472
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:30,140
you would need to acquire multiple parcels

473
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,340
and consolidate those in order to make that feasible

474
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:37,220
so that really does limit where and how many

475
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:38,760
of these cottage courts might pop up

476
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,540
in the village over time.

477
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:54,180
You mentioned the minimum height for the virtual district of two feet or two stories with the maximum.

478
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:56,040
Do you have that?

479
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:23,700
So in the C2 district we have 35 feet as the maximum and in the C3 also 35 feet but they do have the ability to increase in the VGO

480
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:33,340
to increase those heights. I believe two, three, and four stories. Let me double critical.

481
00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:34,760
So

482
00:49:57,420 --> 00:49:59,200
C3 based district.

483
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:30,380
Maximum permitted building height would be 45 feet or three stories and then up to 55 feet or four stories with a special permit. That's in the C3 base district in the downtown, in the C2 base district. The maximum permitted height by right would be 55 feet or four stories with a special permit to go up to 65 feet and five stories. And that's only in the C2 and C3 properties in the

484
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:33,660
the village green overlay and this is not village wide.

485
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:47,560
Thanks for the presentation today and the presentations over the last two years.

486
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:56,860
I want to make a note so on the table that identifies the different R1 single family residential districts,

487
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:02,040
R5 currently uses the term detached residential development.

488
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,720
So it seems like if duplexes are approved for R5, that terminology would need to change.

489
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:21,770
I see that in table 3-102.

490
00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:30,730
And another question is there's another agenda item B. We can have a separate presentation on that as well.

491
00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:41,250
Okay. Good. All right. And then, I think that may be it for, oh, with respect to Commissioner Morgan's comment about, I mean,

492
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:50,020
I wonder if anyone's considered like, if a duplex is proposed of a certain size,

493
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:57,860
maybe more than two or more than four that there ought to be an association because I get the problem that Mr. that Commissioner Morgan's identified.

494
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,260
So you're mentioning a duplex that's more than two units?

495
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:06,860
No, where there's a series of duplexes, two to two, something like that.

496
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:09,420
Like next to one another on adjacent lots?

497
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:09,740
Yeah.

498
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:12,960
On the other

499
00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:18,320
commission or questions?

500
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:22,750
Okay, thank you all so much.

501
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:26,130
All right into the next public area.

502
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:46,670
Okay, so the other part of the draft new zoning code that is being presented

503
00:52:46,670 --> 00:53:01,030
the public hearing this evening and has been discussed at the other workshops and joint meetings was that the O5 District, which is the restricted office district is being proposed as being eliminated.

504
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:08,510
There are two properties within the O5 zoning district, 2890 and 2990 Dundee Road.

505
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:16,470
So if the draft zoning code is approved as presented with the elimination of the O5 district,

506
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:20,090
there has to be a rezoning for those two properties.

507
00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:22,530
They need to be zoned into some other district.

508
00:53:23,170 --> 00:53:26,950
So that was noticed for a public hearing as well.

509
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:29,830
So we are at the public hearing process.

510
00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:38,070
And those two lots shown here, 2890 and 2990 Dundee, are the only two lots in North

511
00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:40,610
Brook that are Zoned 05 Restricted Office.

512
00:53:41,470 --> 00:53:48,730
That Zoning District was created in 1992 in a response to property owners of single

513
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:55,750
family residences along Dundee Road, no longer being interested in having single family residences

514
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:58,770
located on community arterial streets.

515
00:53:59,810 --> 00:54:04,750
So, public hearing was conducted in 1992 to come up with some sort of a solution.

516
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:07,670
Different options were considered.

517
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:15,510
They had considered rezoning those two lots from single family to O2, limited office,

518
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:18,790
which is what we're proposing this evening, and I'll get further into that.

519
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:23,650
Another idea was to rezone to the C1 specialty district, but

520
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:29,210
then make the C1 district have additional allowed uses that would accommodate office uses

521
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:35,870
located on a community arterial street different than how it was currently being implemented

522
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:37,470
in its location in the downtown.

523
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:43,470
And then another idea, which is the idea that the village went with was the creation of

524
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:46,630
a new zoning district, the O5 restricted office district.

525
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:52,730
district. When that district was created to consider the allowance of those properties

526
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:59,770
along Dundee to be rezoned to 05, that district included a series of specific standards.

527
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,980
In addition to the bulk regulation, so in addition to a maximum height and the step backs that were required for that office district, things that also needed to be maintained was a specific appearance, an exterior lighting assessment, their science had their own specific requirements, there were specific screening and buffering requirements. There were limited hours of operation for businesses in the district, driveway located

528
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:35,640
limitation, limitation on uses, outdoor display, and off street loading.

529
00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:41,640
So, in addition to the bulk standards, like I said, there were all these other

530
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,320
standards that had to be met if you were going to develop a property in the O5 district.

531
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:53,500
In addition to the bulk standards and the development standards, there were also specific

532
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:58,540
uses that were called out, and there weren't that many of them to be appropriate in the

533
00:55:58,540 --> 00:56:05,580
O5 district, and all of them require a special permit except vacant land, detached single

534
00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:09,520
family, home occupation, and agricultural purposes.

535
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:17,800
So really just based on the use table and all those restrictions makes it really hard

536
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,320
to develop something in the O5 district.

537
00:56:20,860 --> 00:56:27,800
Since 1992, the village has only seen two properties, request and be rezoned into the

538
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,640
the O5 district.

539
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:36,020
The comprehensive plan designates only one part of the community as appropriate for

540
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:37,420
neighborhood office.

541
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:44,000
The neighborhood office designation, the intent and purpose of that is a classification

542
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,120
designed to be used along major roads where single-family uses are no longer deemed appropriate.

543
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:56,620
The appropriate zoning districts in the neighborhood office designation is O2 and O5.

544
00:56:56,620 --> 00:57:11,440
So, shown here, the properties that are located between Anthony Trail and Hazelwood and then the two properties to the East of Hazelwood Drive are the only properties designated as appropriate for Neighborhood Office.

545
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Of those two recently within the past year and a half or two years came before the Plan Commission for Public Hearing process, those two are the strived pieces shown here.

546
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:28,500
They requested to amend the comprehensive plan designation from neighborhood office to residential specialty.

547
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:33,680
And those properties also went forward with a rezoning, which I'll talk about in a minute.

548
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:44,040
But there's no other place in the village of Northbrook where this neighborhood office designation has been mapped on the comprehensive plan map.

549
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:52,570
So shown here is the current zoning as you see the two properties that are zoned O5.

550
00:57:52,570 --> 00:57:57,790
And then the striped property next to 2990 Dundee Road is

551
00:57:57,790 --> 00:58:05,230
zoned RS residential specialty, and that is where an assisted living memory care home is being built.

552
00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:11,990
It's an institutional facility that will house seniors with memory care impairment.

553
00:58:12,730 --> 00:58:20,310
And what that starts to show is the trend of development in the area up along Dundee Road,

554
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:23,090
a way from detached single-family residential.

555
00:58:24,330 --> 00:58:31,170
This is a picture of 2,990 Dundee Road and this is 2,890 Dundee Road.

556
00:58:31,530 --> 00:58:37,990
Their small buildings, 2,890 Dundee Road is still occupied solely for an office.

557
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:43,290
There's a business that runs its business office operations from the Chicago Land Area out of that

558
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:50,210
property. 2,990 Dundee has been vacant for several years even following an extensive remodel

559
00:58:50,210 --> 00:59:00,750
of the building, it's continued to remain vacant, so we can't speculate what exactly is going on.

560
00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:06,170
We have had numerous office users interested in occupying this building,

561
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:09,270
ranging from medical office to veterinary office.

562
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:14,150
None of these uses are allowed by right, they would all have to go through a public hearing process.

563
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:17,990
That's the process that's deterring people, I don't know.

564
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:32,770
But we have taken some for special permit preliminary reviews in front of the board, and the board has supported the use of the space for these uses, why people aren't proceeding forward we don't know.

565
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:44,650
So the proposal is to eliminate the O5 zoning district with the new zoning code, and then rezone the two parcels into the O2 district.

566
00:59:44,650 --> 00:59:55,470
O2 district being selected because the Comprehensive Plan Neighborhood Office designation does say that O2 and O5 are appropriate in that designation.

567
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:59,970
So it would be maintaining the compliance with the Comprehensive Plan which is some-

568
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
We prefer to do as planners. And then when you look at the bulk table standards shown here on the screen, the left hand O2 is the existing, the middle column is the proposed O2 zoning district standards. And then the right O5 are the current O5 district standards that are being applied to those properties. So a lot of the setbacks and height and everything are still two stories. There's, you know,

569
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:35,320
100-foot-lot width is being maintained, and

570
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:39,610
then I guess one of the things that would be eliminated

571
01:00:39,610 --> 01:00:45,430
is the lot coverage requirement. But any new development on either of these sites would have

572
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:51,730
to comply with the O2 standards. The only thing they'd have to comply with is the detention requirements.

573
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:56,250
So, you know, if you want to cover more than 50% of your lot, you also are going to have to pay for

574
01:00:56,250 --> 01:01:01,450
a lot of detention to be put underground in your lot. So, there's a give and take in those scenarios.

575
01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:12,180
So, the relief being requested is the elimination of the O5 district with the new zoning code and the

576
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:17,480
rezoning from the O5 into the O2 for the two lots discussed this evening.

577
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:26,020
When the playing commission considers rezoning of a property, there's a set of standards

578
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:29,500
that you assess the criteria of that rezoning request against.

579
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,940
They're listed here, I'm not going to read through all of it, but they're looking at existing

580
01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:55,120
uses and zoning classifications, the trend of development in the area, the availability of adequate access to the site, availability of adequate utilities, length of time that properties been vacant, value of adjacent properties, future orderly development of the properties and how that may be affected.

581
01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:01,900
So, as I've mentioned during my presentation and it was noted in the staff report, the

582
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:07,440
trend of the development in that area is going away from single-family residential and

583
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:15,100
is being contemplated in a long Dundee road in other uses, whether that's the assisted

584
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:22,680
living facility or other low-intense office uses, both sites are already developed.

585
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,720
They both have utilities, they both have access on and off of thoroughfares.

586
01:02:30,140 --> 01:02:33,080
There's adequate access around in the area.

587
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,600
And then the one 2990 Dundee Road has been vacant for some time.

588
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:47,140
Staff has spoken with the property owners and they are on board with the village proposing to eliminate that zoning district.

589
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:54,420
And requesting the rezoning to the O2 district knowing that it would allow for

590
01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:57,980
continued office uses, which is what is occurring at $2,890 Dundee.

591
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,360
And what $2,990 Dundee is hoping to have a curve on their property.

592
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,260
So, any questions about rezoning?

593
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:13,080
I had questions on that one property, $2,991 that's vacant.

594
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,360
That owner did come for a residential proposal, which was granted.

595
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,620
But I guess they decided at some point to not proceed with it.

596
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:26,740
And I was wondering if we knew why they could sell the idea and then decided to go for the remodel.

597
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,200
This one that I'm showing here?

598
01:03:29,260 --> 01:03:29,400
Yes.

599
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,760
I don't remember a residential proposal there at all.

600
01:03:33,220 --> 01:03:35,300
I've been here almost 19 years, I think.

601
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:46,800
They did propose a multi-tenant single-story, low-intense office use where that

602
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,900
proposal was assessed against the criteria for the O5 district and

603
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:56,540
really worked to try and figure out how to try and fit something else there.

604
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:03,160
Ultimately, they didn't proceed with that and instead chose to renovate the existing structure.

605
01:04:08,620 --> 01:04:10,560
Staff on this proposal.

606
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:18,280
Can you remind us the limited office district, what types of businesses are allowed in the limited office district?

607
01:04:21,580 --> 01:04:31,500
Yes, I may need to go back over to my other spot in the room, but O2 District, things

608
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:39,520
that are allowed, insurance brokers, realtors, security, commodity brokers, tax agents,

609
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:46,760
and I'm looking at the old, I'm looking at our current zoning code, everybody.

610
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:59,900
O2 authors, artists, lawyers are permitted by right yeah and then when you break that down

611
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:13,540
On into the new zoning code, if you were to open the office article and look at the matter and proposed use table, that's really what we would be talking about because this rezoning would not go forward if the new zoning code didn't go forward.

612
01:05:24,030 --> 01:05:24,130
Okay.

613
01:05:46,650 --> 01:06:00,970
And these two petitions. So if you've sent something in, they've already become part of the formal record for the petitions. We will proceed now with those who would like to speak on this petition.

614
01:06:01,690 --> 01:06:06,250
what we would like to do is have everyone who is interested in stating something,

615
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:08,830
stand up and I'll swear you all in at one time,

616
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:14,960
even if you don't want to and you think you're

617
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:20,240
going to, it's better to get you all sworn in at one time. Okay, if you could raise your right hands,

618
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:26,440
please. Affirm that the testimony you are about to give will be complete and truthful.

619
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:34,560
So we will start in the back at one row there. You would approach the mic and you start with

620
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:44,500
your name and address, and then when you're complete with your testimony, you call over to your left to the podium and sign in to the register over there.

621
01:06:45,420 --> 01:07:00,480
I'm Karen Foley. I live at 557 Helen Drive. I've lived there since 1984. It is a lovely small community with very narrow streets.

622
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,640
No sidewalks, no curbs.

623
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:14,350
If a building is put into that location that has any bit of high traffic,

624
01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:16,630
I,

625
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:21,940
the proclivity

626
01:07:21,940 --> 01:07:28,700
of people to take shortcuts through my neighborhood as they already do going into the industrial

627
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:37,860
part sometimes you're causing a hazard. I am thoroughly agreed

628
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,200
that that

629
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:49,260
property needs to be reutilized but I also know that if I wanted to sell my

630
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:55,740
house I'd have to go for market value. I don't know what the reason why that

631
01:07:55,740 --> 01:07:59,700
That piece of property isn't selling for whatever reason.

632
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:07,520
But I do know that we have T-Ball in our neighborhood.

633
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:17,620
And like I said, narrow streets, love the kids, dearly, it brings me joy to hear them yelling

634
01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:27,320
and screaming and having a good time, parents drive me crazy because they park on the wrong

635
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:35,460
side of the street, we have one side street parking only, they will block the middle to let their kids in and out.

636
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:45,000
So if you add any more traffic to that area, I'm really afraid, but thank you very much for listening.

637
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:54,200
I will say we did not go over three minutes, I was using the timer on my phone because I thought we have the new fancy timer.

638
01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:00,960
I'm so sorry everybody. I'm used to this little old hack. So I will use the fancy time or now. Thank you

639
01:09:01,820 --> 01:09:03,540
No, you're you're all good

640
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:06,950
Okay

641
01:09:12,210 --> 01:09:15,410
Right into the mic name and address and then sign in when you're completed

642
01:09:15,410 --> 01:09:19,930
My name is Christine Ackonberg. I live at 514 Helen Drive. I've been

643
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:24,170
Resident and Northbrook in that particular home for 32 years

644
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:30,910
You've received our letters. So if you have any questions feel free to ask us after the fact or whatnot

645
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:37,310
But what we're asking today is that you please keep the zoning at 05 for

646
01:09:37,310 --> 01:09:38,770
those particular properties.

647
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:49,310
As 02 opens up the door and we were not told this today for such uses as banks and restaurants.

648
01:09:50,330 --> 01:09:55,610
And those types of businesses would be bringing in more and more traffic into our neighborhood.

649
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:59,970
and exactly what we fought against 18 years ago when...

650
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,820
And a chase bank and a McDonald's wanted to go into that property. We would appreciate if you could keep the O5 zoning and maybe keep it as a legacy district, just like a C1 would be. We heard that today. We like that idea. And we appreciate your time and considering that. I know all the uses of the O5 would you like me to read them. We've been living this for years.

651
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:32,960
Would you like us to, okay, you would, okay.

652
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:40,040
So security and commodity brokers, dealers, exchanges and services, insurance carriers, insurance agents, broker services.

653
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:47,160
Real estate establishments, real estate agents, managers holding, holding another investment offices,

654
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:53,480
tracks tax preparation services, advertising agencies, appraisers, interior decorating consultants,

655
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:59,700
inter-designing services, artists, legal services, engineering, accounting, management and related services.

656
01:10:59,980 --> 01:11:01,380
That's quite an array.

657
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,180
We're willing to work with the owner of that property and we have in the past.

658
01:11:05,380 --> 01:11:14,520
And yes, they did come before the village board, with their proposal of a 7,000 square foot multi office building.

659
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:22,860
We loved it, we worked with the gentleman, the village board asked him to shift the office building a little bit.

660
01:11:22,860 --> 01:11:28,740
and so that it would be coming, people would be coming in and out on to Anthony Cheryl.

661
01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:29,940
We worked with him on that.

662
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,340
We were all for it and he decided not to go through with it for some personal reasons,

663
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:37,800
not sure, not our issue.

664
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:46,180
So it's vacant right now and we hope that if it is going to be sold at sold for Fairmark

665
01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:55,780
I know in the past that has been part of the, like I said, McDonald's and Bank proposal.

666
01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:58,900
So I think there's a little bit of a pie in the sky.

667
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:05,500
That's my own personal opinion, pie in that sky market value on that particular property.

668
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:07,540
So thank you so much for your time, I appreciate it.

669
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,360
All right, could you please sign in still?

670
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:12,800
Sorry.

671
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:13,660
Carolyn

672
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:57,360
Schultz, 2707 Canterbury Drive, Born in Northbrook, lived in Northbrook most of my life and I don't question at all but there's been a lot of work done in this plan so far and lots of pretty slides and lots of great marketing terms, but I'm imploring you to please keep in mind lipstick on a pig is still a pig and I'm not

673
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:16,440
I'm not trashing this entire plan at all, but the potential impacts on Northbrook are so significant that I'm very concerned about what's missing in all of this study so far, and that I'm hoping and imploring you to be requiring and demanding.

674
01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:22,400
I see no projected population or density impact analysis of any kind.

675
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:27,880
I see no traffic impact analysis, I see no crime impact analysis.

676
01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:33,440
I went to one of these open houses, I asked these questions and I was told there isn't any.

677
01:13:34,330 --> 01:13:40,720
And if there really can't be any, I was given very vague comparators to Minneapolis and

678
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:49,320
Evanston, neither of which I think is an appropriate proxy for Northbrook, nor should it be an aspirational proxy.

679
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:57,460
So, what I am asking all of you is, again, with this massive significant impact on North

680
01:13:57,460 --> 01:14:04,800
Brook from things such as cottage courts and duplexes, et cetera, please don't push

681
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:05,840
this thing through.

682
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:13,080
Don't turn us into Minneapolis and Evanston and Displains and Morton Grove and Niles because

683
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,580
then the toothpaste is out of the tube and there's no going back, right?

684
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:25,040
right? So I really beg of you, you deserve it. You know, we are expecting you to be making

685
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,000
the best decisions for the residents, and I think you really need those analytics to

686
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,700
be able to make those good decisions. And once you get them, they should really be clearly

687
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:43,060
communicated to the residents. I think we deserve that. I think we deserve that level of transparency.

688
01:14:43,060 --> 01:14:49,880
And depending on how that comes out, you might even perhaps consider having residents

689
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:50,780
bowed on it.

690
01:14:51,780 --> 01:14:53,640
That's further down the line.

691
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:59,980
But again, those are my, those are my asks and I thank you for-

692
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,460
After listening, I really do not want to see Northbrook change into something that is irrevocably negative.

693
01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:40,440
First, thank you for inviting public comment. My name is Bruce Bondy. I live at 1514 Chapel Court. And I'm a resident since 1999. I'm also chairman of the Arts Commission. I've worked since the 1980s as an architectural illustrator and design consultant. I've worked on projects throughout the

694
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:48,720
The United States and abroad, I work with architects, urban planners, developers, and landscape architects helping illustrate potential designs.

695
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,680
One of my first projects was the renderings for the North Brook Village Hall.

696
01:15:54,460 --> 01:16:01,440
Regarding the zoning code, proposed amendments for R5, I highly approve of this potential change.

697
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:07,720
In the time that I've lived here and within blocks of my home, I've seen numerous smaller homes torn down and

698
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,920
replaced with new, much larger, more expensive homes.

699
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:18,440
There are two D words that come to mind in nearly every urban design project that I work on and are very relevant here.

700
01:16:18,860 --> 01:16:19,860
First is diversity.

701
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,640
It is healthy for a growing community to have a variety of housing types and

702
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:29,700
price points that allow for more citizens to either move to or remain in Northbrook.

703
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:36,200
Examples being young families wishing to move here, seniors that would like a smaller home,

704
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:41,240
divorced or single parents who wish to continue to raise their children in our great school system.

705
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:49,900
Our current code and economics of building and development has eroded the supply of smaller and more affordable single family homes in Northbrook.

706
01:16:50,420 --> 01:17:03,180
For example, I know of a young family that moved to Northbrook into a home well over a million dollars that was only made possible because the parents could afford to purchase the home on their behalf.

707
01:17:03,180 --> 01:17:06,600
Not everyone has that kind of family wealth.

708
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:12,520
We can be an affluent community without becoming elitist, catering only to the wealthy.

709
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,240
A diverse population is good for Northbrook.

710
01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:20,300
To offer the opportunity for smaller, more affordable housing stock,

711
01:17:20,580 --> 01:17:25,160
in a small portion of our community helps to offset the erosion we've seen for

712
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,740
years as smaller homes vanish from the marketplace.

713
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,460
The second D word is density.

714
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:34,780
density, particularly near our downtown is a very good thing.

715
01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:40,080
Look at how much multifamily housing is available in thriving downtown, such as Highland

716
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,020
Park, or we'll met.

717
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:46,500
Density helps to support and enable growth of local restaurants, shops, and businesses.

718
01:17:47,060 --> 01:17:51,560
I applaud our village management for supporting the townhouse development along Shermer and

719
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:56,720
the coming development of the former Granger site, both will add density near our downtown

720
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:57,940
helping it to thrive.

721
01:17:57,940 --> 01:18:06,000
I too would object if the whole of Northbrook were suddenly open to the changes proposed for the R5 through the entire community.

722
01:18:06,540 --> 01:18:15,420
Restricting to R5 is a thoughtful and reasoned approach to managing growth and offsetting the erosion of available smaller housing stock.

723
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:25,340
I'm confident that our planning commission and the board has a vision to ensure the quality design standards for potential duplexes and cottage homes will be enforced.

724
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:40,020
What I see time and again in my work when design professionals propose change is that some faction of the community will try and instill fear and misinformation and resistance.

725
01:18:40,540 --> 01:18:49,080
I'm proud to live in a village that supports all the citizens and has the vision encouraged to do what's necessary to stay ahead of problems.

726
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:50,400
Thank you.

727
01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:54,410
Anyone else on this side?

728
01:18:54,830 --> 01:18:55,530
Okay, just handle it.

729
01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:56,230
Hi,

730
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:08,750
my name is Herb Redder. I live at 1167 Adams Street in a duplex township development

731
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:20,190
in Northbrook and the duplexes sell for between $800 and $950,000. I would ask what is wrong

732
01:19:20,190 --> 01:19:27,230
with Minneapolis and Addinson? I think they're two great cities. I like to think of Northbrook

733
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:33,070
As an inclusive community, the village is one of the few suburbs with a fair housing ordinance.

734
01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:39,470
The school districts have implemented programs to support students with diverse backgrounds

735
01:19:39,970 --> 01:19:47,210
and needs, the library and park district regularly hold multicultural events, and the village

736
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:52,450
issues proclamations recognizing cultural holidays and heritage months.

737
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:55,350
Of course, this has not always been the case.

738
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:59,310
Years ago, Northbrook as many other subters,

739
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:09,580
Act is redlining, restrictive covenants and exclusionary zoning. If you were Jewish or black, it would

740
01:20:09,580 --> 01:20:16,200
have been difficult to live here at that time. Of these three practices that I mentioned,

741
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:22,960
one still remains, and that is exclusionary zoning, which does not allow our workforce of police

742
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:31,900
and firefighters, teachers, and other government employees to purchase a home, which I think we would all agree

743
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:40,760
this is an incredible area with the best of the best schools as well as a great park district and library.

744
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:48,780
Across the country, more and more communities have recognized that single family zoning is exclusionary.

745
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:54,680
not only does it limit who can afford to live here but it constrains the housing

746
01:20:54,680 --> 01:21:01,900
supply at a time when there is a national housing shortage. I've already mentioned

747
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:07,760
Minneapolis. Evanston is currently considering similar reforms to us and

748
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:13,680
Cook County recently approved a residential open space overlay that encourages

749
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,880
is clustered homes while preserving green space.

750
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,400
Let's embrace this very modest housing solution,

751
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,640
which will blend seamlessly with the neighborhood

752
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,980
and offer more possibilities for workforce

753
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:30,500
and multi-generational living,

754
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,140
reflecting our reclusive values.

755
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:33,960
Thank you.

756
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:36,520
I'm pleased to go.

757
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:39,140
I'm in to the left.

758
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,200
Hi, my name is Brian Giles.

759
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:56,920
I live at 12, 12-liter relaying and I am a multi-family developer and the reason I came

760
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:02,480
then I was just to understand, I've never done anything in the village, Northbrook, you

761
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:10,320
know, what was going to be presented for multi-family development specifically in the overly

762
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:21,260
district. My only comment is, I think, that these prescriptive measures relative to materiality,

763
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:29,340
articulation, glazing, I don't know how stringent it's going to be in the new zoning.

764
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:39,680
My suggestion is that maybe they should be guidelines because being in the business it's very expensive

765
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:51,520
to develop, and when a municipality imposes such measures, it makes it difficult to actually

766
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:59,060
do a deal. So again, I don't know how this is going to play out in the final zoning,

767
01:22:59,340 --> 01:23:10,240
but my recommendation is that if not, set in stone in that whatever the committee would

768
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:22,540
review the developer's design and consider it if it, I guess, varies from what's set forth in the code.

769
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:24,400
So, it's like on it.

770
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,580
Thank you.

771
01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:41,270
Good evening.

772
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:44,350
Adele Sturgis, 1807, Maple Avenue.

773
01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:51,910
I've served this community in a variety of capacities over the past 35 years in stormwater

774
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:52,550
management.

775
01:23:52,550 --> 01:24:03,530
I was part of the Task Central Business Area Task Force from 1990 to 2004 that instituted the Village Green Overlay District.

776
01:24:04,090 --> 01:24:11,470
I've served on the zoning board of appeals, the bicycle task force, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

777
01:24:11,470 --> 01:24:25,930
I live in R5 housing, and I am wondering if someone could answer why a comparison seems

778
01:24:25,930 --> 01:24:31,130
to be made in apples and oranges comparison between Northbrook

779
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,240
and Evanston.

780
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:42,440
We're nothing like those communities, and with regard to the affordability of housing,

781
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:57,380
I noticed in the consultants report that Minneapolis was the first in the nation to allow duplexes and triplexes in their community.

782
01:24:57,580 --> 01:24:59,960
But it went across all singing.

783
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:22,460
I want to know why this community thinks it's okay to concentrate a cottage type housing development only in our five housing instead of allowing it in other places.

784
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:43,020
Our five housing is mostly concentrated in District 28, and I assure you if you're talking about houses of 800 and 900 square feet, that's the kind of houses that were originally built in this community that are being torn down left and right.

785
01:25:43,340 --> 01:25:45,040
That's the kind I grew up in.

786
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:54,260
And they're perfectly sustainable for a family if you're willing to live in that size.

787
01:25:54,260 --> 01:25:57,820
And many people are, and we're for affordability reasons.

788
01:25:58,380 --> 01:26:07,080
That's going to impact our district 28 schools, which are already according to them pretty

789
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,100
darn crowded that we have to build all these new facilities.

790
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:21,280
and I'm running out of time, there are a lot of concerns, I'll put them in an email to you in the board.

791
01:26:21,860 --> 01:26:31,460
The 50% reduction of a by-right in downtown commercial district parking reduction is kind of ridiculous.

792
01:26:31,460 --> 01:26:40,040
We, for seven years, all we heard was we need more parking, we need more parking, and all of a sudden the village is disappearing the parking.

793
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:47,480
I don't know where people are going to go, and underground parking is very expensive, as is stormwater management.

794
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:56,840
And I don't see those factors being considered anywhere in affordability or the ability of a commercial district of function.

795
01:26:57,380 --> 01:26:57,720
Thank you.

796
01:26:59,140 --> 01:26:59,960
Okay,

797
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,920
anyone else by

798
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,860
staff then and the consultant to address some of those questions we heard?

799
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:24,840
Regarding to the duplexes and cottage courts being proposed in the R5 district.

800
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:34,980
That was selected due to that is the most dense, detached single family residential district in the village.

801
01:27:34,980 --> 01:27:40,980
So it makes sense to map it within the denser single-family district.

802
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,460
That's what other communities like Highland Park, Libertyville,

803
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:54,380
Morton Grove, Deerfield, they also are mapping the duplexes in their most dense single-family residential district.

804
01:27:55,200 --> 01:28:04,180
The other reason being that district is mapped itself, the R5 in the downtown primarily because of the location for

805
01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:09,180
transit oriented development to have more people in the downtown to stimulate further growth

806
01:28:09,180 --> 01:28:15,000
of the business community in the downtown. There's also adequate access to public transportation,

807
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:20,400
not just the train, but there's bus stop in the downtown. And there are other uses that people can

808
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,180
walk to within that area.

809
01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:28,750
Why could like a cottage court be in an R4? I'm sorry, couldn't you?

810
01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:34,970
The cottage court be in an R4. The draft zoning code that's gone through the review process over the

811
01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:44,990
past year and a half to date has just shown it as appropriate in the R5. I want to just double

812
01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:46,250
check that though.

813
01:28:50,980 --> 01:28:56,460
Yeah, and then also in the R6 multi-family residential district, it was not

814
01:28:56,460 --> 01:29:02,620
discussed for in the R4. If that's something the commission is interested in, that's something that

815
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:07,180
direction could be given as the public hearing is continued for staff to

816
01:29:07,180 --> 01:29:13,740
assess and then provide that revision to the draft document.

817
01:29:14,740 --> 01:29:19,320
What about the one resident who mentioned that we didn't have any traffic and

818
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:24,300
safety and other types of studies when approaching this?

819
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,880
Oh, so this is the writing of a new zoning code.

820
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,400
And it's for the village as a whole in its entirety.

821
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:38,020
It is not a site specific, so it isn't possible to do a traffic study because the future

822
01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:39,460
development is unknown.

823
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:47,120
The village is maintaining majority of the districts that exist today with a lot of

824
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,360
the same uses and implementation.

825
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:52,920
The big changes are like process application process.

826
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:59,820
us. As Jackie had mentioned in her presentation, there was slight modification to the R.

827
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,500
Or in R5 district, minimum lot area and lot with reduction, but that was because of the amount of non-conformities that existed. So there isn't a one site traffic study that can be proposed. I mean, there are only two districts being proposed to be rezoned. So in essence, the zoning is staying the same. It's just a new zoning code. In terms of a density study, you can't predict how, you know,

828
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:40,980
would 10 people want to build duplexes or 20 people and if they did so then those are 10 or 20 additional units, but there aren't any new lots and

829
01:30:40,980 --> 01:30:47,080
The structure can't be any bigger than the single-family home that could have been built by right on that lot

830
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:53,160
I can't predict if a family of seven or eight is building a house for themselves or if

831
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:58,880
Someone's building a duplex that has two people living in each unit that you can't predict

832
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:04,160
a numeric human increase in that regard.

833
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,820
One gentleman brought up about design standards.

834
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,320
I thought we were going to, were we going to include it this year?

835
01:31:10,380 --> 01:31:12,860
Oh, the form based code is included.

836
01:31:13,900 --> 01:31:20,160
The gentleman had stated a concern from the development community about requiring a form

837
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:20,680
based code.

838
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:26,840
And as the commission has seen over the iteration of this process, that proposal of the

839
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:33,640
form-based code, it does provide requirement of types of materials to be used, and when

840
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:41,460
using those types of materials, there's different offsets based upon how much percentage

841
01:31:41,460 --> 01:31:44,420
of material A, B, or C you're using.

842
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:50,320
There are categories and tables that break it down, so it isn't a standard that says all

843
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,060
new development in the downtown must be brick and brick on all sides.

844
01:31:54,060 --> 01:32:01,060
It does provide for various types of materials and the percentage of those being used.

845
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:16,060
But it is a requirement versus what was the public comment was maybe it's guidelines, yes, thank you.

846
01:32:18,670 --> 01:32:19,850
Anyone else have a question?

847
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:25,170
Yeah, and as part of the process, I think you've vetted those changes likely with developers already.

848
01:32:28,150 --> 01:32:40,730
There's been notices put out to, I think the best way to get noticed out to some of the people that build in town is we put informational signs when they're coming in to pay for permits or apply for permits.

849
01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:43,730
We're trying to capture as many people as we could.

850
01:32:43,730 --> 01:32:44,790
Yeah,

851
01:32:47,290 --> 01:33:04,010
was there any we're talking about the R5 and a single single. It was there any consideration of making that as a special use rather than a permitted use so that we can look at the surrounding buildings and how it affect those buildings.

852
01:33:04,010 --> 01:33:11,610
That is something that, I mean, we proposed it as permitted, but again, that is a discussion

853
01:33:11,610 --> 01:33:16,230
point that if the commission wanted to have that discussion and move in a different direction

854
01:33:16,230 --> 01:33:22,010
that could be something that you would propose to be assessed and then brought back at the

855
01:33:22,010 --> 01:33:22,530
next meeting.

856
01:33:24,090 --> 01:33:29,470
I think there would be a good idea because then maybe you would avoid having two lots next

857
01:33:29,470 --> 01:33:34,790
to each other with duplex on it and even going forward from that and it would also take

858
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:40,250
an effect to consideration at least the neighborhood and traffic and things like that.

859
01:33:40,450 --> 01:33:43,610
So I would suggest we ask them to look at that.

860
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,180
Other questions before we close the public hearing.

861
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:49,860
Okay.

862
01:33:53,190 --> 01:33:56,190
It sounds like Evan, Senator Minneapolis is

863
01:33:58,780 --> 01:34:02,820
about whether they are comparable, but in terms

864
01:34:02,820 --> 01:34:08,300
of like traffic, crime, density studies that have been done, I mean it sounds like these

865
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:14,140
have been an existing outlook at the literature at least provides some indication.

866
01:34:18,570 --> 01:34:23,670
So I think there's a few things that are being combined perhaps is a way to say it.

867
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:28,470
So one of the questions that was asked of us is can you assess whether studies have been

868
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:34,630
done to determine whether surrounding property values will decline, if a multi-family

869
01:34:34,630 --> 01:34:37,450
or in this case duplexes are added to a single family district.

870
01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:42,370
So we know that single family districts include duplexes and deer field and

871
01:34:42,370 --> 01:34:46,510
highland park and martin grove and liberty bill and I forgot one but we don't

872
01:34:46,510 --> 01:34:51,050
have any specific studies to that but we all drive around and many of us have

873
01:34:51,050 --> 01:34:54,730
had the opportunity to drive around those communities or visit those

874
01:34:54,730 --> 01:34:58,570
communities and we don't see mass decline in those communities and or their

875
01:34:58,570 --> 01:34:59,650
single family districts.

876
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,760
But there's no published report, right? So for published reports, we were able to find one in Minneapolis and one in Evanston. So the reference to those communities isn't that there's the only place it occurs. It's where we could find the report where they analyzed the property values over the period of those units being added or being permissible in that district. So I want to call it separate those two issues. One is they're allowed, but no study exists on property value. And the other is they're allowed.

877
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,160
and we weren't able to find a study on property value.

878
01:35:32,660 --> 01:35:36,320
The other thing I'll caution you on is looking

879
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,320
at the special permit and I'll say why?

880
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,240
Why would we maybe not want to look at a special permit?

881
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,020
And if you add two or three people to a neighborhood,

882
01:35:46,060 --> 01:35:49,980
it is really hard to tie that down to having an impact.

883
01:35:50,540 --> 01:35:53,900
But every community will have some community members

884
01:35:53,900 --> 01:35:56,660
that feel fear about that and I get it, it's change

885
01:35:56,660 --> 01:35:58,860
and change kind of bring about fear.

886
01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:05,100
But really, what our job is when it comes to the codes is to really apply the code and

887
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:09,300
then really look at the true, I'll call it, definable, impact.

888
01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:13,820
So as it relates to the question on traffic studies, you can do a traffic study when you

889
01:36:13,820 --> 01:36:18,580
know someone's putting in a restaurant, it has this many tables, it has this many parking spaces,

890
01:36:18,580 --> 01:36:21,600
and you can calculate what the traffic impact is.

891
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:27,240
You're not able to do that in the same way with the large zoning code that doesn't have specifics.

892
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:31,800
ethics, but if you did it on, for example, a duplex, you wouldn't be able to produce

893
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:36,660
a greater impact than you would a single family home, because you can have 14-age drivers

894
01:36:36,660 --> 01:36:42,160
that produces a lot more traffic than a single person who lives in a duplex and vice-versa.

895
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:46,580
And so it's just, I caution you on thinking about that, what would you be able to tie that

896
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:47,640
special permit to?

897
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:53,420
Because otherwise you're having people come and imagine you can make a decision that you

898
01:36:53,420 --> 01:36:56,920
you might not be able to make, because you wouldn't be able to define an impact.

899
01:36:57,380 --> 01:36:58,060
Does that make sense?

900
01:36:58,620 --> 01:37:03,340
I think if we need to think about that as we're considering a use by right or

901
01:37:03,340 --> 01:37:07,060
use through a special permit, could you tie it to one of the impacts?

902
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:13,280
We are able to use legally when determining to approve or not approve an application.

903
01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:17,460
And I think it's important to also keep in mind that the standards for

904
01:37:17,460 --> 01:37:22,220
like a special permit, they're remaining the same in the new zoning code.

905
01:37:22,220 --> 01:37:29,260
So, there's minor changes being made to standards in the draft zoning code.

906
01:37:29,460 --> 01:37:35,900
And so, trying to tie as director McEwan is stating something to those standards, those

907
01:37:35,900 --> 01:37:40,180
are the standards that are currently being used and are going to be used as we go forward.

908
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,260
We're not getting rid of standards for special permits.

909
01:37:43,940 --> 01:37:45,240
Did I answer your question?

910
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:52,000
I guess I was just thinking, if there's concern and fear, and we do have other areas

911
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:56,620
as where these developments allowed them.

912
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:58,660
The code has changed, you have them coming in.

913
01:37:59,460 --> 01:38:02,580
Then I suspect that someone has looked at things

914
01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:06,060
like just traffic, or whether it's pedestrian traffic,

915
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,880
vehicle traffic, or they've looked at changing crime.

916
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,840
And I'm not saying that there is any,

917
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:14,020
but my guess is when you have these large communities

918
01:38:14,020 --> 01:38:16,720
that are changing their code to allow for that,

919
01:38:16,860 --> 01:38:19,280
then there is some kind of investigation,

920
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:23,680
whether it's academic or city or, you know, like there's something.

921
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:29,220
And so I guess if the comparison is that, and there are concerns that may be making a

922
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,000
better understanding of it.

923
01:38:35,660 --> 01:38:39,520
We can certainly do some more digging and see if we can find some more localized examples.

924
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:40,780
We haven't found them yet.

925
01:38:41,300 --> 01:38:48,360
But we can certainly do some additional searching to see if we can find if our local partners have done an analysis.

926
01:38:51,740 --> 01:38:53,300
Also, the bill is hired.

927
01:38:53,980 --> 01:38:55,120
Jackie, what's the name of your company?

928
01:38:56,620 --> 01:39:02,180
They've done zoning code rewrites for hundreds of municipalities across the United States.

929
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:03,720
That's basically what you guys do.

930
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:06,240
So the bill is reached out to them.

931
01:39:06,660 --> 01:39:07,380
They're the experts.

932
01:39:07,900 --> 01:39:13,760
So why we're focusing on two cities is not really realistic.

933
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,320
We're not reinventing the wheel.

934
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:21,600
It is what this company has advised hundreds of communities across the United States.

935
01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:30,440
We're relying on their expertise and the village's expertise, the village staff who is deeply knowledgeable for this new zoning code.

936
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:37,300
And it's really to make life easier for the residents and the businesses, and that's the big picture of this.

937
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:44,340
Because the zoning code is out of date, it's pre-internet, it's pre-cell phone, so

938
01:39:44,340 --> 01:39:47,200
Well, this is all really, it's supposed to be a positive for the community.

939
01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:50,810
So what I'd like to do with this is-

940
01:39:50,810 --> 01:39:52,450
Commissioner, let's go, just one more comment.

941
01:39:53,150 --> 01:39:59,970
In terms of the crime concern, Northburg already has quite a few really nice duplexed-

942
01:40:20,740 --> 01:40:29,900
So, I can't imagine that the addition of duplexes, nor if I have district is going to increase crime in any significant degree.

943
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:36,960
What I'd like to do before we proceed first is follow up a couple of questions.

944
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:37,920
Chair.

945
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:38,340
Okay.

946
01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:39,580
Yeah.

947
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:40,820
Chairman, let's go.

948
01:40:41,180 --> 01:40:41,540
Can I actually.

949
01:40:41,980 --> 01:40:42,720
Chairman, I'm sorry.

950
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:47,760
Because the village is the applicant tonight which is not what our normal procedure is.

951
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:57,440
If there are questions of the village staff members, it should be that they should be asked and answered during the public hearing because they are the applicant.

952
01:40:58,300 --> 01:41:05,060
Yes, so if there are, I just wanted to remind the commission because that's not our normal practice.

953
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:06,300
I'm going to get into further discussion.

954
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:06,940
Of course.

955
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:09,340
If you have questions, please answer.

956
01:41:10,940 --> 01:41:15,040
You mentioned, somebody mentioned half a dozen communities that have similar things, okay?

957
01:41:15,580 --> 01:41:17,260
And Libriville, et cetera.

958
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:18,700
You mentioned Wilmetton.

959
01:41:18,820 --> 01:41:25,360
Wilmet doesn't have this as a right single lot, but the others do, they have it on a single

960
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:34,520
I think a lot of communities in our general vicinity are looking at this as trying to provide

961
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:38,640
better housing alternatives or I like to determine housing for all.

962
01:41:38,980 --> 01:41:42,160
Everybody needs a different type of housing at a different time of their life.

963
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,940
Type of house you want when you're young might be different than when you're older.

964
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:50,120
It might be different if you're single or whether you're a family and so trying to find

965
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:54,300
And more diversity or offer more opportunities for a diverse housing choice.

966
01:41:54,420 --> 01:41:58,540
And how people who live in the village of Northbrook be able to choose and

967
01:41:58,540 --> 01:42:01,980
select the type of housing they need at the time of their life that they need it.

968
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:07,990
And I do want to correct, I misspoke when I said, well, that was included for single family.

969
01:42:08,230 --> 01:42:13,410
They have, in between law, that is, sorry, district that is not single family, but

970
01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:14,650
it is not multi-family.

971
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:19,070
They have an R2 district that is for attached residents.

972
01:42:19,070 --> 01:42:24,410
I can determine that they don't have it now, but it's trending at moment, so we'll probably sing it.

973
01:42:25,670 --> 01:42:38,230
So I have a procedural question since the public hearing is going to be continued to August, I think 15th or mid-August, is now an appropriate time for commissioners to have a discussion or should we be holding off on that?

974
01:42:38,230 --> 01:42:41,190
What we want to do is give staff directions that you need.

975
01:42:43,340 --> 01:42:44,700
Technically, we could have.

976
01:42:59,730 --> 01:43:03,730
And the date is August 19th, I just want to clarify that.

977
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:10,950
And you could also have discussion and direct staff to do more research and do a resolution.

978
01:43:11,170 --> 01:43:14,190
Like, there's many ways you can go about how you proceed.

979
01:43:14,650 --> 01:43:18,070
The commission would like to have a discussion deliberation.

980
01:43:18,170 --> 01:43:20,730
You can close the public hearing and have any discussion you'd like to do.

981
01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:25,410
providing direction to staff, and then you can reopen the public hearing and continue

982
01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:32,090
it to a date certain, which will be the August 19th date, and then at the August 19th

983
01:43:32,090 --> 01:43:38,470
have further discussion, and staff could bring back any additional research or a resolution

984
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:39,570
of that direction is provided.

985
01:43:46,330 --> 01:43:48,690
I'll accept the motion to close the public hearing.

986
01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:51,690
I moved to close the public hearing.

987
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:52,730
Second.

988
01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:57,330
fingers, Commissioner Malnick, Deputy Director Cullsett, please call the roll.

989
01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:01,820
Commissioner Bremen.

990
01:44:02,060 --> 01:44:02,220
Yes.

991
01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:03,240
Commissioner Halperin.

992
01:44:03,480 --> 01:44:03,600
Yes.

993
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:05,320
Commissioner McChillan-Formfeld.

994
01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:06,420
Yes.

995
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:07,760
Commissioner Malnick.

996
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:08,100
Yes.

997
01:44:08,260 --> 01:44:08,900
Commissioner Morgan.

998
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:09,580
Yes.

999
01:44:09,820 --> 01:44:10,640
Commissioner Papito.

1000
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:12,360
Commissioner Walden.

1001
01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:12,740
Yes.

1002
01:44:13,020 --> 01:44:13,660
Chairman Elisco.

1003
01:44:13,940 --> 01:44:14,080
Yes.

1004
01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:18,700
So for the audience what we did is we closed the public hearings so there can be no more input

1005
01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:20,900
from staff, no more comments from the audience.

1006
01:44:24,340 --> 01:44:30,580
And then sort of give direction to staff on how to proceed, and we'll start with my right with Commissioner Elnick.

1007
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:37,670
By the way, we are talking about both petitions.

1008
01:44:38,190 --> 01:44:44,930
Right, so I mean, for the first one, as far as all the zoning changes, I agree

1009
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,200
with probably 95% of what's being proposed.

1010
01:44:53,220 --> 01:44:58,460
I'll say a very unpopular comment, but what's my belief is that living in North

1011
01:44:58,460 --> 01:44:59,780
Fantastic, so I moved here.

1012
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,920
18 years ago.

1013
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:31,560
I have to do what's best for the community, and I get nervous when we talk about density. And adding more people, we're not having to stand, we're not urban. And he has a feel and a characteristic to it that's been around for a hundred years, and I'd like to keep it close. I'm not saying. But I get really nervous we start doing duplexes and just trying to add density, especially for the businesses in the downtown. There's reasons why the businesses are struggling and it's not because we don't have enough people living around it.

1014
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,780
So I just want to be cautious about that.

1015
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:38,640
So the duplexes and the cottage courts,

1016
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:47,100
as far as the project in Dundee, I would almost

1017
01:45:47,100 --> 01:45:53,240
recommend going to the C1 and then once we get an actual somebody in there, then we can

1018
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:54,000
find

1019
01:45:56,850 --> 01:45:58,610
them taken away the O5 and

1020
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,040
furthered in through the one that we can't change it to

1021
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:08,360
it then.

1022
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:09,160
Yeah,

1023
01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:20,220
as Commissioner Melanick said, there's a lot to unpack.

1024
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:27,880
I happen to live in the residential district that would be allowed for the duplexes and all that.

1025
01:46:28,060 --> 01:46:32,800
And I have a different point of view, which is I actually think density is good.

1026
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:36,340
I think it's, we don't want to be an exclusive community.

1027
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,120
I obviously, property values are very important to me.

1028
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:44,600
But I also, I appreciate all the hard work that's gone into it and the thoughtfulness that's gone behind it.

1029
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,160
And then I'm okay with it.

1030
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:53,260
I'm also okay with the changes to the Dundee properties.

1031
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:58,820
We got to do something with those, I mean, if we open it up to make it different more

1032
01:46:58,820 --> 01:47:02,600
uses, perhaps they will be, that building won't be vacant.

1033
01:47:03,260 --> 01:47:08,060
I don't think it's going to be a McDonald's or a chase bank that was proposed 18 years ago.

1034
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:12,740
So I'm actually okay with the changes that have been proposed.

1035
01:47:12,740 --> 01:47:13,640
like

1036
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,720
others I agree with a lot of one

1037
01:47:26,730 --> 01:47:29,190
thing around that I agree with the density

1038
01:47:29,190 --> 01:47:29,510
and

1039
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:43,280
I also have concerns about reducing parking access but I also I am hearing

1040
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,640
in my maybe it's just me but

1041
01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:52,650
Lexus and the cottage housing will bring housing to

1042
01:47:52,650 --> 01:47:59,230
some of our seniors but then you know we know that these condos over here like

1043
01:47:59,230 --> 01:48:05,390
on-chirmer are $800,000 and $1,000,000 and so if we're trying to make housing that's available

1044
01:48:05,390 --> 01:48:08,870
how that actually meets the need,

1045
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:12,940
that is a little concerning to me,

1046
01:48:16,940 --> 01:48:25,060
peak commercial versus the O2 versus 5 and so you know I don't like to, I think having something

1047
01:48:25,060 --> 01:48:30,940
said vacant for a long time is problematic and if that's because of the code or the restrictions

1048
01:48:30,940 --> 01:48:38,940
that we have on that, like I'm all for finding a better reason, but I wouldn't want to weigh in on that specifically, at Knowledge Race.

1049
01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:53,380
First of all, I'm fine with going from 05 to 02, and I think we should vote on that tonight just to, because that's a simpler thing just to move it along.

1050
01:48:53,380 --> 01:48:53,500
long.

1051
01:48:55,900 --> 01:49:01,660
You know how long have I been on the board? There's a two-hug. No. Yeah. Yeah.

1052
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:07,540
But you know there's always talk about density and there's always talk about affordable dwelling.

1053
01:49:08,380 --> 01:49:13,480
And these things are great. And I think we should leave it in there. But at the end of the day

1054
01:49:13,480 --> 01:49:20,660
it's if a developer comes and wants to do this. And then all there's just never a lot of

1055
01:49:20,660 --> 01:49:27,560
desire for it. So I think this, I don't want to minimize it, but all this gets overblown.

1056
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:34,500
So if we put this in the duplex, I'm fine with it because I just don't think it's going

1057
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:40,720
to make that much of a difference. I do want to say that I think you guys have done a phenomenal

1058
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:50,200
job overhauling the zoning code. It hasn't been easy. I appreciate all your work and I think all these

1059
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:50,980
changes are great.

1060
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,440
I mean, there's some things people aren't going to like.

1061
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,360
There's some things that people are going to love.

1062
01:49:57,060 --> 01:49:58,880
And there's some things, and there's a vast majority

1063
01:49:58,880 --> 01:49:59,980
of people are going to be in.

1064
01:50:13,460 --> 01:50:21,940
I'm going to bring up the topic that we haven't discussed at all. This will come as no shock,

1065
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:29,320
but on the community residences issue. I brought this up at the last meeting and there were

1066
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:34,200
some additional issues in reviewing the materials for tonight.

1067
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:39,140
There are some requirements for community residences that I think might be problematic legally.

1068
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:45,320
I don't know for sure, but having to register the community residences,

1069
01:50:45,460 --> 01:50:51,540
having extra compliance requirements, I think might be problematic legally.

1070
01:50:51,860 --> 01:50:57,420
So I would just take a look at that and ask the staff and the village attorney to take on them.

1071
01:50:57,420 --> 01:51:01,280
I just want to make sure we're not passing something that might be

1072
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:05,440
challengeable in terms of community residences, same with traditional

1073
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:13,460
facilities. On the issue of the duplexes and the cottage courts, I'd be

1074
01:51:13,460 --> 01:51:21,900
favor of expanding the districts that would allow that per right. I think, you know,

1075
01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:26,740
the materials were really illuminating. I heard all this many times, but you know, the

1076
01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:33,900
The population is getting much older by 2030, at least one of the articles said one in five Americans will be over age 65.

1077
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,000
There's a single people living alone.

1078
01:51:36,540 --> 01:51:43,660
They're going to need smaller homes and Northpeck is an expensive place.

1079
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:53,400
I've said this before, if someone's good enough to serve me dinner at a restaurant, I think they're good enough to live in my community and if there's an affordable housing option for them, I'm all for it.

1080
01:51:54,560 --> 01:52:03,300
With respect to the O5, the agenda item B, O5, O2, I'm on the fence.

1081
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:08,680
It is kind of a unique community because you could go from one side of the neighborhood

1082
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:14,360
to the other by cutting through, I get that and if it's a restaurant, I see that that

1083
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:15,320
could become a problem.

1084
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:19,800
It's any of the other kind of professional businesses, I don't see the part that kind of

1085
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:25,400
Sneaking through that way is a problem, but for certain types of businesses, I could see maybe that's a problem

1086
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:28,720
So I'm kind of on the fence about that night. I'm just not ready to vote on that tonight

1087
01:52:30,460 --> 01:52:36,940
Commissioner Breyman. Thank you. I agree with it. We could go from the old the commercial 05-0-2 easily

1088
01:52:36,940 --> 01:52:42,380
I don't think that's a real real problematic. I am torn regarding the two plexes

1089
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:47,200
I'm not sure about that. I understand the need for it

1090
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:51,940
I understand the theme for smaller housing, more affordable housing, especially for seniors.

1091
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:55,360
That's one reason I moved here, other than the grandchildren.

1092
01:52:57,660 --> 01:53:04,140
But I don't know if I like the idea of it having just plugged in in a single lot in the middle of a subdivision, so myself.

1093
01:53:05,380 --> 01:53:07,000
But I'm torn on that, I'm not sure.

1094
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:11,640
I would like to see it as more of a special use, contrary to what you're suggesting.

1095
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:17,200
And if it is going to go forward, I think needs to have some kind of mechanism in the language

1096
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:24,220
to require the condominium or some covenants and conditions for use and maintenance of

1097
01:53:24,220 --> 01:53:24,420
those.

1098
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,860
So people moving into it know what they're going to be getting into and how to protect themselves.

1099
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,880
I also would like to bring up something different that we haven't talked about at all.

1100
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:36,900
And that is the vote of the commission.

1101
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:44,360
Right now, if you recall, it has to be a majority of the entire nine members or sitting members.

1102
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:49,580
So if we have five members in the past number of months, we haven't had nine members often.

1103
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:54,940
So let's say we have five, which is a quorum, and the vote's four in favor and one against.

1104
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:57,540
It goes to the board as a negative referral.

1105
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,700
I don't think that's right.

1106
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:02,140
I think it's bad for developers.

1107
01:54:02,140 --> 01:54:06,700
They have to go and tell the board that, you know, even though it was negative, we have to overcome that.

1108
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:13,560
I think the public doesn't understand that, and so when the board changes and goes against that negative referral,

1109
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:19,760
they look unfavorably on the village board. So I think it should be a majority of those sitting at the time of the meeting.

1110
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:26,800
That's my opinion. I know most villages have it that way. It's unusual to be a majority of the entire board.

1111
01:54:27,380 --> 01:54:35,640
That on the bill's board, it has to be the majority of the entire board on certain circumstances

1112
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:36,560
but not all.

1113
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:40,000
I'd like to see it move to the majority of those voting at the time.

1114
01:54:40,900 --> 01:54:41,540
Thank you.

1115
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:44,740
Commissioner.

1116
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:54,460
First off, I want to, I guess, copy some of you and say that it's a great work, it's a

1117
01:54:54,460 --> 01:54:55,100
lot of work.

1118
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:59,720
And just coming in now, just seeing how much you have to overhaul.

1119
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,880
On this, on the zoning code is impressive. I will say I'm moving from the O5 to O2. I think I want to get a little bit more background on why it's even requested. I understand that it might be to simplify things, but I also feel I'm surprised that those properties are, like, are they requesting it, or is it the village saying that they think it's going to bring in business? And I just don't know, like, I feel like the code

1120
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:35,820
right now allows for some pretty interesting businesses to move in there so I just want

1121
01:55:35,820 --> 01:55:41,040
more information in background and this is my first meeting so I'll dig into it some

1122
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:45,780
more with that and if anybody wants to pull me aside and tell me you could do that too.

1123
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:54,060
And as for the duplex and cottage courts, this I've been going back and forth on quite

1124
01:55:55,920 --> 01:56:05,820
I will say when it comes to bringing in density and affordable housing, I see both sides.

1125
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:10,560
But what concerns me is that it won't end up being any more affordable.

1126
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:18,660
That it might turn into developers coming in and scooping up the ranch houses before anybody else gets the opportunity to.

1127
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:31,580
So that they could turn it around and turn it into this city high end duplex and sell it for double and so then we're thinking that we're helping, but then it could cause another problem down the road.

1128
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:36,240
So that's my thought on that so my turn.

1129
01:56:36,500 --> 01:56:44,260
So just to begin with I just want to impress upon the residents how big of a deal we are that we're redoing the zoning code.

1130
01:56:44,900 --> 01:56:51,700
As been stated, the previous code was 1988 with a gazillion amendments, some of them

1131
01:56:51,700 --> 01:56:54,760
conflicting, and other things that no one even understands why they were there in

1132
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:55,320
the first place.

1133
01:56:56,240 --> 01:57:00,980
And what's different about this code and that code is that code, everything was geared

1134
01:57:00,980 --> 01:57:03,900
for telling you what you can't do, it was a very negative code.

1135
01:57:04,260 --> 01:57:05,680
But that's how all codes were back then.

1136
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:09,780
This code is telling you what you can do, and it gives you all the different options.

1137
01:57:09,780 --> 01:57:14,200
So it's much more positive in nature on how to develop property.

1138
01:57:14,660 --> 01:57:20,680
And I think that the development community is going to understand that much better once they start reading through this.

1139
01:57:21,100 --> 01:57:23,040
And it clarifies so many different things.

1140
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:29,920
I mean, when I first started on the plant mission in 2008, it was like every other thing needed a special permit.

1141
01:57:30,460 --> 01:57:37,320
And to do a special permit cost a person coming for that, not everyone is a big company looking for change it.

1142
01:57:37,380 --> 01:57:38,880
We get a lot of small businesses.

1143
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:47,300
And they have to pay a lot of money for a whole crew of consultants to come and prepare documents, go through the process, with the understanding they might not get passed.

1144
01:57:48,180 --> 01:57:52,520
I mean, they have to make their judgment on their own, but they still, at some point in time they make that decision.

1145
01:57:52,760 --> 01:58:00,680
And to get a special permit for something that now we feel is really not necessary, I think is one big positive for this.

1146
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:09,660
At some point, I'd like the, and something that tells how many special permits we ended up getting away with because it was really way too many.

1147
01:58:09,980 --> 01:58:11,860
And there were all sorts of other requirements like this.

1148
01:58:12,380 --> 01:58:20,100
Every time you needed a special permit for a sign over 20 feet, I mean, I've been on like 17 years, we've never had a problem with it.

1149
01:58:20,140 --> 01:58:21,340
We've always said okay, it's fine.

1150
01:58:21,700 --> 01:58:27,920
And I remember the first sign that came before us, I said, so we just had this petitioner go through a three month process.

1151
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:34,860
pay maybe 15 to $20,000 to come here and hear us tell them that the sign should go where it should have been in the first place.

1152
01:58:35,420 --> 01:58:37,700
I mean, stuff and that's just one example.

1153
01:58:38,140 --> 01:58:40,840
This code is so much better than what we've ever had in the past.

1154
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:48,980
And again, I give kudos to the consultant, the staff, the legal staff, because again this was been a two year process.

1155
01:58:49,260 --> 01:58:55,560
So most of this stuff is vetted and I'm really fine proceeding with everything here, but I do have a couple of questions.

1156
01:58:55,560 --> 01:59:04,420
So on the R5 zoning district with the ability for the cottage courts and the duplexes.

1157
01:59:04,900 --> 01:59:10,780
I see why most of the homes around the downtown area are our zone, the R5.

1158
01:59:11,300 --> 01:59:17,120
And we've had study after study from urban planners telling us you're not going to attract good business here,

1159
01:59:17,420 --> 01:59:21,400
boutique businesses that want to thrive and everything unless you have the density for

1160
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:22,540
people to buy the products.

1161
01:59:23,060 --> 01:59:27,320
And when we went through the downtown analysis in the early 2000s,

1162
01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:34,840
we determined that until we do those two shopping centers with residential above retail on the first floor,

1163
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:36,840
a lot of people aren't going to be looking at us.

1164
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:40,660
And what that has, and unfortunately since we haven't proceeded with the plan,

1165
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:45,400
it has caused problems with other developments that are coming up faster than we can plan for,

1166
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:46,980
such as the gateway development.

1167
01:59:47,780 --> 01:59:49,660
If that would have gone through with the downtown,

1168
01:59:49,660 --> 01:59:59,320
Now that would have had retail on the first floor with residential above, but you don't pass away a good deal when you're trying to build density so we accepted the development with all residential and no retail.

1169
01:59:59,320 --> 01:59:59,960
Because...

1170
02:00:00,020 --> 02:00:27,900
So the few added residents would have offset the benefit because we still didn't have enough density. So I like the idea of adding the density to the downtown area, but there are five way outside the downtown area. And obviously we can't pick and say, okay, only our fives in a certain area are going to get this. And then I'm not sure that, you know, that we're stricken that only our five just as two of the other commissioners.

1171
02:00:27,900 --> 02:00:52,460
This is necessary the way to go because if we're talking about especially the cottage courts, which I think serves a different need so to speak than either having cottage courts downtown or having them having the duplexes because if you have them in the our fours which is farther away from downtown, well we're talking that it's going to serve the community seniors who need a housing.

1172
02:00:52,460 --> 02:00:54,520
Well, that seniors don't have to live downtown.

1173
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:57,700
Some of them need to have a financial need, but they could still drive.

1174
02:00:58,300 --> 02:01:02,120
So if we had in the IR-4 cottage courts, I think it would have.

1175
02:01:07,410 --> 02:01:14,290
Like to see what the cottage court would look like in an IR-4 situation, as well as just the IR-5s.

1176
02:01:15,830 --> 02:01:24,600
And I think also, I don't think all of a sudden everyone's going to run out and tear down houses and start putting all of these duplexes up.

1177
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:25,720
I think it's going to be a slow thing.

1178
02:01:25,820 --> 02:01:28,760
It'll happen where needed and where it's feasible over time.

1179
02:01:29,820 --> 02:01:34,000
And a good example of that is we went over this ADU thing for

1180
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,780
until a nauseam for two years.

1181
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:39,240
And we came up with a compromise and

1182
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:41,480
we came up with different options to satisfy them.

1183
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:44,540
One is an attached ADU and I don't know if the date that anyone has

1184
02:01:44,540 --> 02:01:46,540
even requested an attached ADU.

1185
02:01:47,620 --> 02:01:53,840
And that is an affordable way of increasing the financial

1186
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:58,580
So we're with all the household as well as providing affordable housing, but no one's taking advantage of it yet.

1187
02:01:59,680 --> 02:02:05,380
We also have the ability to rent home the rooms in your home to a certain degree.

1188
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:14,180
And we also have the ability to do a, what's the quality of a certain kind of suite where it's not an ADU, but it's a secondary suite, I think it's called.

1189
02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:17,220
So yeah, I think we call it secondary suite.

1190
02:02:17,460 --> 02:02:22,180
So those are options that are available to people who have financial,

1191
02:02:22,180 --> 02:02:25,460
So, you know, don't have the financial wherewithal want to stay in the community.

1192
02:02:26,380 --> 02:02:32,720
So, as I said, I'd like to see this expansion of the cash court into other districts.

1193
02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:35,580
And I'm fine with it having it in the R5.

1194
02:02:36,640 --> 02:02:43,700
And I'm fine with the change from the O5 to the O2 on the other petition.

1195
02:02:45,420 --> 02:02:47,520
Anyone have some general discussion?

1196
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:49,180
And we just heard from all the, we

1197
02:02:51,700 --> 02:02:52,860
have to get staff direction.

1198
02:02:53,860 --> 02:02:57,020
Whether we want to just wait and get more information because we did add.

1199
02:02:59,540 --> 02:03:02,720
Or does anyone feel that they have a list of subject to the.

1200
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:21,500
Yes.

1201
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:26,560
Why don't we take a straw poll vote, we'll just go right down the line in order here,

1202
02:03:36,980 --> 02:03:37,320
okay?

1203
02:03:40,140 --> 02:03:41,040
I'm okay with that.

1204
02:03:46,110 --> 02:03:47,890
I'm just barely okay, yes.

1205
02:03:47,890 --> 02:03:54,610
Yes, I'm okay, understanding that, that doesn't mean we're voting in favor of it, it's just it's going to be on the table.

1206
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:12,260
I hate to put the two new commissioners in the hotspot here, but maybe we should wait till they get more information then, because I think it's unfair to put them in the position to have to vote on something that they're not, they want more information about.

1207
02:04:13,460 --> 02:04:18,600
Okay, so it looks like we need more information on both petitions.

1208
02:04:19,500 --> 02:04:23,780
Do you need more, do you have a, do you have a, do you've been writing, do you need more explanation from us?

1209
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:25,180
Deputy director.

1210
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:43,220
Chairman, let's go, I'm just going to just to clarify just so all the new commissioners maybe are who aren't familiar with the process of what we were just talking about of just to provide direction of staff to prepare a resolution to bring back to the next meeting.

1211
02:04:43,220 --> 02:04:59,380
and at which time you still could have further discussion, you could reopen the public hearing on it, but then we would have the resolution prepared, and you could of course provide additional conditions or amendments to the resolution.

1212
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:28,780
But if there's thought from a majority of the commissioners that at the next public hearing, we would be ready to proceed with a resolution, you could provide direction to have the resolution prepared, and then it would be at least could be voted on at the next meeting. But I just wanted to make sure that everyone was clear that there would still be time to have additional discussion. Just to clarify, please. We weren't be voting to any final recommendation action tonight either way.

1213
02:05:28,780 --> 02:05:33,900
What we're doing is voting on a resolution to instruct staff to write the resolution.

1214
02:05:34,540 --> 02:05:35,900
But can I make a suggestion?

1215
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:37,380
These are interrelated.

1216
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:42,360
Since we're not going to have staff prepare a resolution for the first one, the larger one,

1217
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:46,180
why would we need to do it for the-

1218
02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:50,520
Right, that's why we can just do it at the same time the next time.

1219
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:52,920
And vote on it, whether or not to recommend it.

1220
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:54,360
Yeah, go ahead.

1221
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:22,680
All us paying in fruits of what we're going to be deciding.

1222
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:28,940
Let me just ask staff, do you have enough time to get the new commissioners more information

1223
02:06:28,940 --> 02:06:33,480
that they request in time, whether you think so it's like two weeks from now, right?

1224
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:37,900
Oh wait, we're not doing the first, oh August, right, it's August 19th, so it's actually

1225
02:06:37,900 --> 02:06:42,840
the second, so it's a month from now, all right, so we got plenty of time, I forgot it was

1226
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:43,760
a month, not two weeks.

1227
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:58,820
So let me just explain things because I'm sure you might be confused out in the audience

1228
02:06:58,820 --> 02:06:59,020
there.

1229
02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:08,880
So, in recent history, I would say the last few years, when we get a petition, we automatically get a resolution, in case we decide we like it and we want to vote on it.

1230
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:12,580
So, we've never had the tell staff to do the right one because they're already there.

1231
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:15,640
Sometimes we amend the one they give us, but it's already there in our hands.

1232
02:07:16,180 --> 02:07:20,940
It was purposely designed that we are not going to do that for this, that we're going to postpone.

1233
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:25,300
We want to have a full discussion and we're going to postpone further discussion to another meeting.

1234
02:07:25,300 --> 02:07:27,520
And at that time, we might be able to vote on it.

1235
02:07:27,580 --> 02:07:30,960
So what we need to do in order to have something down the road to vote on,

1236
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:33,760
we have to instruct staff to write a resolution.

1237
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:35,460
So it's almost the same thing.

1238
02:07:35,580 --> 02:07:37,100
We instructed the right, they write it.

1239
02:07:37,180 --> 02:07:39,260
We have to still go through the roll call vote and everything.

1240
02:07:39,620 --> 02:07:42,240
But it's not voting on anything that's in the resolution.

1241
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:46,700
It's just voting on what the resolution will look in writing so

1242
02:07:46,700 --> 02:07:50,020
that we have a document in front of us that we can either say yay or nay to.

1243
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:53,500
So since the two new commissioners want more time,

1244
02:07:53,500 --> 02:08:01,580
And since we have a month until the next meeting, if we do extend it to the August 19th, I think what we're looking for to do.

1245
02:08:05,220 --> 02:08:09,240
After it, and then we could modify them or even postpone them further.

1246
02:08:18,290 --> 02:08:21,910
But we would, since we need more information, we would not have any subject to this one.

1247
02:08:21,930 --> 02:08:27,550
We'll just have a right of resolution, and then the next time we would amend the resolution.

1248
02:08:29,590 --> 02:08:50,390
That way you would be in the position if you decided to, at August 19th, that you'd be able to take the final votes that night, and instead of having to continue it to a third meeting, if you didn't need it, of course you can continue it to a third meeting if necessary, but this would allow you to make take final action or the recommending final action at the next meeting.

1249
02:08:51,050 --> 02:08:54,070
I guess the only motion we need now is just to continue the public hearing.

1250
02:08:54,590 --> 02:09:01,170
So I would accept a motion to reopen the public hearing and continue it to August 19th.

1251
02:09:01,170 --> 02:09:02,750
Are we reopening?

1252
02:09:03,410 --> 02:09:04,470
We want to close the public hearing.

1253
02:09:05,230 --> 02:09:09,050
Do we want to reopen it for August 19th?

1254
02:09:09,050 --> 02:09:16,830
We need to reopen the public hearing in order to continue it to a date certain, so we don't have to.

1255
02:09:19,970 --> 02:09:26,410
It also has to be reopened if we're bringing new revised documents back to the commission.

1256
02:09:26,930 --> 02:09:31,650
For us to present that revised document, it has to be in a public hearing.

1257
02:09:32,190 --> 02:09:32,290
Yes.

1258
02:09:33,010 --> 02:09:33,690
Sorry.

1259
02:09:34,150 --> 02:09:37,230
But that's only for the first resolution, correct?

1260
02:09:39,050 --> 02:09:40,810
Any public hearing?

1261
02:09:40,810 --> 02:09:59,750
It would be for both as there was requests for further continued discussion on bulls and to bring the documents back for both public hearings would recommend that there'd be a motion to reopen both public hearings and to continue them both to

1262
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:25,700
August 19th. Well, whoever's going to make the motion, let's just briefly go this. So basically, all you have to do, when you make the motion is to reopen both PCD 2509, PCD 510 to August 19th. It's pretty much how it is. So at this point, I would accept the motion to reopen and continue the public hearing.

1263
02:10:27,550 --> 02:10:34,390
I'll move to reopen the public hearing to August 19th for PCD,

1264
02:10:34,690 --> 02:10:41,790
Duckett number PCD, 2509, and Duckett number PCD, 2510.

1265
02:10:42,130 --> 02:10:48,430
And Commissioner Raul, the green director, call the role.

1266
02:10:49,330 --> 02:10:51,470
I don't have to call a role to open up public hearing.

1267
02:10:51,590 --> 02:10:52,630
We don't have to call a role to,

1268
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:57,220
but it happens when you don't do something for two years.

1269
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:02,560
I do have a question about additional

1270
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:11,680
information

1271
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:25,240
about the 05 districts.

1272
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:32,540
We did provide in the staff report the background of the creation of the 05 got us to today.

1273
02:11:32,540 --> 02:11:37,940
I'm just trying to figure out what additional information I'm bringing to the reopen public hearing for that one.

1274
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:42,260
But they ask the two new commissioners what they would, what other information they think they need.

1275
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:52,050
When, between the public comments and then the staff comments, I think that I had heard some conflicting information.

1276
02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:58,370
What vote to versus what I have allowed for, and so I'm trying to understand where they're going to.

1277
02:11:59,490 --> 02:12:17,290
And then I just wanted to help familiarize myself, but also I had heard from one of the commissioner's question about, you know, what is driving this shift, like is it, is it operating owners are coming to.

1278
02:12:18,410 --> 02:12:27,930
This is, it's a village initiated application, this is the village as the applicant, the property owners did not come to us this was the impetus then that we have.

1279
02:12:27,930 --> 02:12:32,890
There's two lots in a zoning district that is so restrictive.

1280
02:12:33,230 --> 02:12:35,290
It has never been mapped anywhere else.

1281
02:12:35,930 --> 02:12:42,710
And that one lot has remained undeveloped for numerous years within that district.

1282
02:12:43,190 --> 02:12:47,590
And the district is incredibly restrictive for

1283
02:12:47,590 --> 02:12:51,590
how it can be used when somebody does choose to do development there.

1284
02:12:51,850 --> 02:12:55,170
So because there are only two lots that fall within it.

1285
02:12:55,170 --> 02:13:02,690
and we did not anticipate anyone ever since in the past since 1992 so like 30 years no one has wanted to be

1286
02:13:02,690 --> 02:13:06,790
zone that we don't see it ever being a district that will continue to be used in the future.

1287
02:13:07,070 --> 02:13:13,450
I think then for me really it's just clarifying what is allowed with O2 and what is allowed.

1288
02:13:14,250 --> 02:13:21,990
And then what is allowed so the original packet and you guys are new so this is totally I completely

1289
02:13:25,130 --> 02:13:36,350
So I would not be bringing new information and that's what I wanted to clarify that I don't think I have new information to give.

1290
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:45,590
And so to Commissioner Morgan's point about opening a public hearing back up or not, and whether or not there's a draft resolution.

1291
02:13:45,590 --> 02:13:51,410
I completely understand the depth of information that was provided to new commissioners who weren't

1292
02:13:52,130 --> 02:13:54,990
possibly at some of the workshops or a joint meeting,

1293
02:13:56,130 --> 02:13:58,950
having more time to review this completely makes sense.

1294
02:13:59,310 --> 02:14:05,310
Again, I just don't know that I have new information to present in a continued public hearing on

1295
02:14:05,310 --> 02:14:06,950
Docket PCD-2510.

1296
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:15,460
But they still need time to study it, which they do have, even if

1297
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:31,580
So I guess the next motion would be to have staff draw a resolution up for each of the two petitions individually, because we need two separate resolutions, correct?

1298
02:14:31,820 --> 02:14:33,440
We don't, that could be one resolution.

1299
02:14:34,180 --> 02:14:36,380
It must be two separate resolutions.

1300
02:14:37,720 --> 02:14:46,260
So I will accept a one person can do it, why don't we want to do one at a time since we need to anyhow and then give you two.

1301
02:14:51,930 --> 02:14:59,890
Why don't we have someone from this side make the first petition motion to have staff draw a paper?

1302
02:15:07,420 --> 02:15:24,200
I move, excuse me, I move to have staff drop a resolution on docket number PCD 20, is it 2509? Oh, nine. Sorry, I have to find it now because I'm on 25 time.

1303
02:15:29,900 --> 02:15:39,060
New zoning code. Yeah, docket number PCD 2509 asking staff to drop a resolution, approving the changes.

1304
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:45,580
and have it aired for the August 19th, 2025 meeting.

1305
02:15:49,010 --> 02:15:49,590
Second.

1306
02:15:51,210 --> 02:15:54,210
Raymond, deputy director of co-sets, please call the roll.

1307
02:15:56,970 --> 02:15:57,810
Commissioner Bremen.

1308
02:15:58,090 --> 02:15:58,230
Aye.

1309
02:15:58,530 --> 02:15:59,430
Commissioner Halperin.

1310
02:15:59,970 --> 02:16:00,170
Yes.

1311
02:16:00,450 --> 02:16:01,790
Commissioner McKillipan-Felt.

1312
02:16:02,850 --> 02:16:03,030
Yes.

1313
02:16:03,610 --> 02:16:04,330
Elnick.

1314
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:04,670
Yes.

1315
02:16:05,150 --> 02:16:05,830
Commissioner Morgan.

1316
02:16:06,490 --> 02:16:06,750
Yes.

1317
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:07,830
Commissioner Papito.

1318
02:16:08,650 --> 02:16:09,430
Commissioner Walden.

1319
02:16:09,690 --> 02:16:09,870
Yes.

1320
02:16:10,170 --> 02:16:10,850
Chairman Alisco.

1321
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:12,150
Yes.

1322
02:16:12,150 --> 02:16:15,550
Yes. Okay, now let's have the motion from this side.

1323
02:16:21,930 --> 02:16:28,870
I move, I was, I was direct staff to prepare resolution for

1324
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:38,990
PC doc doc a number PCD 25 dash 10 89 90 and 99 or 29 90 Dundee road rezoning request.

1325
02:16:39,530 --> 02:16:39,990
We

1326
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:44,740
have a second.

1327
02:16:46,420 --> 02:16:46,780
Second.

1328
02:16:49,390 --> 02:16:51,430
Okay, deputy director, please call the roll.

1329
02:16:51,430 --> 02:16:53,970
I'm sorry, I was at a second by Commissioner Halperin.

1330
02:16:54,030 --> 02:16:54,130
Yes.

1331
02:16:54,350 --> 02:16:55,170
Thank you.

1332
02:16:55,970 --> 02:16:56,790
Commissioner Braiman.

1333
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:57,110
Yes.

1334
02:16:57,410 --> 02:16:58,250
Commissioner Halperin.

1335
02:16:58,410 --> 02:16:58,530
Yes.

1336
02:16:58,850 --> 02:17:00,050
Commissioner McKillip von Feld.

1337
02:17:00,670 --> 02:17:00,810
Yes.

1338
02:17:01,190 --> 02:17:01,950
Commissioner Melnig.

1339
02:17:02,250 --> 02:17:02,390
Yes.

1340
02:17:02,550 --> 02:17:03,210
Commissioner Morgan.

1341
02:17:03,610 --> 02:17:03,770
Yes.

1342
02:17:04,030 --> 02:17:04,830
Commissioner Papito.

1343
02:17:05,470 --> 02:17:05,590
Yes.

1344
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:06,610
Commissioner Walden.

1345
02:17:06,890 --> 02:17:07,010
Yes.

1346
02:17:07,290 --> 02:17:07,890
Chairman Alisco.

1347
02:17:08,290 --> 02:17:08,430
Yes.

1348
02:17:08,970 --> 02:17:13,390
Now why there's been so much confusion is because I've been giving these people cheat sheets ahead

1349
02:17:13,390 --> 02:17:13,750
of time.

1350
02:17:13,970 --> 02:17:14,830
I know the other resolution.

1351
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:16,110
Now they have to make them up themselves.

1352
02:17:16,890 --> 02:17:18,190
So, bone up, kids.

1353
02:17:20,090 --> 02:17:20,570
Okay.

1354
02:17:23,150 --> 02:17:30,230
So at this point we're continuing in our agenda. We don't have any draft resolutions.

1355
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:33,810
Discussion topics. Does anyone have a discussion topic for this evening?

1356
02:17:34,410 --> 02:17:40,130
Well, it should probably be mentioned. This is some meeting to be your first meeting as a new

1357
02:17:40,130 --> 02:17:44,830
commissioner. Oh my goodness. The zoning code has been a massive project. So, you know,

1358
02:17:44,830 --> 02:17:46,690
Commendations to you for jumping in.

1359
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:51,020
Any other discussion topics?

1360
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:54,300
Okay, then there's remarks for the good of the order.

1361
02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:14,860
Anytime we get the emails,

1362
02:18:15,660 --> 02:18:17,160
and if the person doesn't show up to talk,

1363
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:22,120
that document becomes part of the official record for the project

1364
02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:25,040
and gets goes up to the board with everything else we do here.

1365
02:18:25,880 --> 02:18:28,540
And also to remind everybody, regardless of what we say,

1366
02:18:28,780 --> 02:18:30,520
we're a recommending body to the board.

1367
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:33,700
They decide whether they like something or not

1368
02:18:33,700 --> 02:18:38,320
and say whether it should go to the planned commission, then it goes through a whole detailed process through the billage.

1369
02:18:38,780 --> 02:18:42,660
Then it comes to us to hold the public hearings, they don't hold public hearings generally.

1370
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:50,000
They do allow the public to speak at their meetings, but the public hearings that become part of the official documentation for the project are done here.

1371
02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:58,760
And then we do this resolution we've been talking about, and that resolution will be a recommendation, yes or no, or split depending on what the vote ends up being.

1372
02:18:59,100 --> 02:19:01,700
And then the billage board makes the final decision.

1373
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:06,660
And just to mention, Chairman, let's go, if you do have more questions about the daylight

1374
02:19:06,660 --> 02:19:10,960
plane or anything else, that can be brought up at the continued public hearing on August

1375
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:11,500
19th.

1376
02:19:11,580 --> 02:19:14,480
So there is definitely still time to ask additional questions that come up.

1377
02:19:14,500 --> 02:19:18,620
And then I also said, since we continued the public hearing, it's like starting all over

1378
02:19:18,620 --> 02:19:18,820
again.

1379
02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:23,240
If you've got new information you'd like to bring up, that you've come across over the next

1380
02:19:23,240 --> 02:19:27,520
month, you'll have another chance to talk at that meeting just like you did this evening.

1381
02:19:27,960 --> 02:19:33,960
So, anything new that comes up, you know, that gets published, or you get deeper into the documentation.

1382
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:39,280
There is a lot of documentation to look at. You can then come before us and you'll have another three minutes.

1383
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:41,480
And again, that becomes part of the official record.

1384
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:46,400
Okay, last item on the agenda before we adjourn remarks for the good and order.

1385
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:50,540
Any happy news about the village that you would like to make a statement about anybody?

1386
02:19:50,540 --> 02:19:50,780
anybody?

1387
02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:58,280
I think that's good.

1388
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:08,940
I think that's a huge improvement, the downtown streetscape. I think everyone would read of that, definitely. Kudos for the board for really implementing that plan and getting it going.

1389
02:20:12,920 --> 02:20:31,640
I would like to add a remarks for the good of the order to thank Jackie Berg for her work because she will not be joining us on August 19th, unfortunately. She has a prior engagement, so, but someone else from how still the being will be here to. Was this your last meeting?

1390
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:36,960
Oh, very nice. Well, thank you for all your service. It's been wonderful working with you throughout the entire process.

1391
02:20:37,440 --> 02:20:40,980
You've been very flexible in addressing our needs and getting them taken care of in the documents.

1392
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:47,100
And I should say, okay, we're going to pass this document, but you know that within a day or two it's going to need to be revised.

1393
02:20:47,380 --> 02:20:55,240
I mean, that's just the nature of this kind of a document. It's meant to be revised. It has to be because you can't set something in stone.

1394
02:20:55,500 --> 02:20:59,320
And then say, that's it. We put enough effort into it and it's done. It's just not realistic.

1395
02:20:59,320 --> 02:21:03,960
second. Well thank you again. Okay I will accept the motion to adjourn the meeting.

1396
02:21:04,460 --> 02:21:11,040
I move to adjourn the meeting. Second. All in favor? Aye. Anyone against? Okay we're adjourned.