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Mr. Mayor, you are now live. I like to begin

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by acknowledging we're gathered here today. On the nutritional lands,

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the quest and people with the corn being present, I'd

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like to call this? Public and statutory hearing meeting to

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order at 07:00 p.m. Our first item at business is

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approval of the agenda. Do I have a mover moved

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by? Councilor stash. Seconded by councilor Finley. Any discussion? All

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in favor and opposed? None. Opposed. Motion carries. We have

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two public hearings scheduled for today, and the explanation being

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provided applies to both public hearings. All attendees are advised

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that the hearing is being live streamed and recorded with

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a copy of the recording to be posted to North

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Couch and's website following the hearing. Any written submissions received

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during the public hearing will perform part of the public

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hearing record and at the conclusion of the hearing, all

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submissions will be retained in the vault. At the municipal

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hall for permanent retention. The public are invited to examine

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the public hearing binder located outside council chambers, or they

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can examine it in electronic form on North Couchen's website.

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Triple W Northcoach, ca publicherings. I'll also note that the

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public hearing procedures in council policy states that no further

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verbal or written presentations will be received by any member

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of council following the adjournment of a public hearing. And

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the council may receive technical information from its own staff.

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The order of business for this public hearing shall be

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conducted as follows. Staff may present an introduction. And overview

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of the proposal. Council. Glen asked questions to staff. The

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applicant will be invited to speak and following this, the

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corporate officer will provide a summary of the correspondence received

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and published in tonight's agenda. We'll then invite members from.

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Invite comments from members of the public. And once there

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are no further comments from the public, I'll ask three

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times if anyone else wishes to speak. If no one

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else speaks, I'll provide staff and the applicant an opportunity

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to respond to new information or factual matters raised. Following

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this, I'll close the public hearing and we will return

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to the regular council meeting. To consider third reading and

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possible adoption of the bylaw. I'll now call the first

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public hearing to order for zoning amendment bylaw number 4037-3925.

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Couch and Lake Road at. I'll now invite Pablo Gola,

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manager, development planning, to introduce the proposal. Good

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evening, mayor and council. This presentation outlines zoning bylaw amendment

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application number ZB. Two. And the associated Zoning amendment, bylaw

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number 4037 for 3925 Calvinchen Lake Road. The subject property

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is 0.8 ha or two acres in area and currently

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contains a single family home in several agricultural buildings. The

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property is located within the agricultural land reserve. In this

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2024 satellite image of the property we see depicted the

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building in the south end. Of the property as a

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single family dwelling, and the white building in the center

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is currently existing. Barn. The property is zoned as rural

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zone a two, which supports agricultural. Sorry, agricultural. Agricultural storage

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and greenhouse uses, among others. The rezoning application proposes a

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site specific amendment to the rural zone by permitting a

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non soil based cannabis production facility with a maximum gross

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floor area of 200, couch and lake road should the

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application not be supported by council? The applicant would be

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permitted to construct a soil based cannabis production facility on

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the property. Upon conclusion of the public hearing, council may

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consider third reading of zoning amendment by law number 4037.

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Thank you. Thank you, council. Any questions for staff? Sir.

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Councilor Kalio. Your hands up. Did you have a question

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for Steph? Sorry, mira. I forgot to take it down.

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Yeah, no problem. So I'll now invite the applicants, Megan

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Tenpenny and Shay Donald, the opportunity to present their proposal

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and to respond any questions from council.

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I think that Mike might not be on. Okay. Hello,

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mayor and council. My name is Megan Tripenning, and I'm

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the owner. Of 3925 couch and Lake Road, along with

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my husband, Shay Donald. Tonight I'm going to summarize the

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neighborhood engagement that we undertook what we heard and return

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back to the matter at hand. Land use. Since our

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first and second reading, we became aware of organized opposition

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to our proposal in the neighborhood. Despite our neighbor's suggestions

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that this group meet with us, that did not occur.

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Even so, we undertook our engagement as planned, first and

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foremost. Our objective was relationship building. We want people to

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know who we are, how to reach us, and to

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be accountable if issues arise now or in the future.

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If this was to be approved, we doorknocked. There we

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go. We door knock to every property within 300 meters

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of our site. We provided written information on the zoning

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amendment, how to reach us. Supplemental information on a website,

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including the site plans, an invitation to an open house,

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and information on this public hearing as well. When people

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were available, we stayed, we talked, we answered questions, and

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when they were not available. We left information. We hosted

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an open house at Vimmie hall on January 13 from

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five to eight. People attended. Which represented five households. Our

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immediate neighbors were in attendance. What we heard fell into

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three broad buckets. Folks who were supportive, neither supportive or

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unsupportive or unsupportive of our proposal. Folks who were supportive,

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regularly categorized this as farm use, and they expressed appreciation

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for local agricultural businesses. Those who. Are neither supportive or

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unsupportive, had questions that we could answer and address or

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they were very unconcerned with what we do on our

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own property. Folks who were unsupportive tended to have two

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main types of concerns. The first related to potential nuisances

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sound. Light. Smell and traffic. These we discussed in our

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first and second reading, and we shared our plans with

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our neighbors to mitigate these concerns. Also to be compliant

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with Health Canada, we have to ameliorate smell. Traffic is

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not expected to increase as a result of this project

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because this is going to be a business to business

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farm operation and not retail. The second bucket of concerns

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has to do with the unknown. Things like. Pressures of

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development in the area, things like property values. And what

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would happen if Shay and I were to leave. I

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know that change is uncomfortable, and I appreciate that. But

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that turns us back to the matter. At hand today.

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Land use and what materially changes with this zoning amendment.

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At its core, this amendment doesn't add any new land

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use to our property. Under the Agricultural Land Reserve Use

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Regulations, cannabis production is recognized as farm use. And soil

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based cannabis production may not be prohibited by municipalities by

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the ALC act as the staff report points out, without

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any zoning amendment. A soil based cannabis facility is allowable

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on the property today, along with any associated impacts. Separately.

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The property is a two zoned, which allows greenhouses as

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it is a permitted use. The staff report. That if

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we are growing a different crop, we could build the

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structure that we've proposed. Without any amendment. What we're requesting

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is a more constrained and more regulated version of what's

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already permitted by allowing these two existing permissions combined in

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a way that allows greater environmental control. It allows for

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improved mitigation of odor, light, sound, and site management. As

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noted in the staff report, this is a gothic arch

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style greenhouse. It's going to replace an existing barn. It

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adheres with a two zoning regulations. It's crop agnostic and

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it fits with the rural agricultural character of the area.

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Councils not being asked to approve a new activity. Council

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is being asked to regulate form and not function for

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agricultural use. That's already permitted on this site. In summary,

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this is an agricultural project. First. As noted in the

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staff report, given our soil capability, a structure such as

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a greenhouse is needed. To support a viable farm operation.

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This aligns with the intent of a two zoning and

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the official community plan. The risks and impacts associated with

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this project and the impacts and risks you'll hear about.

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Today. Already exist on our property. This amendment does not

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materially change the underlying land use. It allows better managed

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and more predictable use of our property. And finally, Shay

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and I live here. We're members of this community, and

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we value positive. Relationships with our neighbors. This area has

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gone through a lot of change in a short period

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of time, and we're committed to listening, adapting and managing

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responsibly with the mitigation measures that we've already budgeted and.

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Planned for. We believe that we can have a viable

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agricultural operation and maintain the rural character that brought many

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of us to this area in the first place. I

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ask you to please pass the third reading of this

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bylaw. And many things from myself and Shay and potato.

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We weren't sure how this worked, so I just have

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a separate thing that I'm. Speaking to, basically. Good evening,

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mayor and council. My name is Shay Donald, along with

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Megan Terpenning. I'm the owner and applicant and 3925 couch

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in Lake Road. And I'm here tonight to speak in

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support of our agricultural project. When we purchase this property,

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we did so with the intent of pursuing our dreams

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of developing the agricultural capacity of the land we are

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stewards on. The staff report concludes the proposal aligns with

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the OCP policies for this area. It has been reviewed

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through several agricultural channels. The agricultural advisory committee identified no

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concerns. The Agricultural Land Commission approved our NOI for the

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soil and concrete work, an explicitly noted cannabis in that

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approval. Finally, the Cowich and Agricultural society found the proposal,

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quote, generally consistent with local agricultural practices and not likely

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to be detrimental to farming in the kawachian valley. Our

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greenhouse structure is a standard design that is seen across

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the valley on many farms growing a wide variety of

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crops. Provincially. The ALC has stated that cannabis is an

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allowable farm use since 2019. I attended a cannabis conference

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this week where the BC Minister of Agriculture, Honorable Lena

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Popham, had a fireside chat in front of a room

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full of cannabis producers from BC, where she repeatedly stated

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that the provincial government views cannabis production as agriculture. Around

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the same time, the province expanded eligibility under its agriculture

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and food export program so that cannabis producers, processors and

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associations can apply for subsidies and grants from the Ministry

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of Agriculture. I'd like to summarize this with three words.

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Cannabis is agriculture. Experts across multiple fields, including municipal staff,

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have confirmed that in the information package, the core question

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before council is straightforward. Does this zoning amendment introduce a

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new land use, or does it regulate an existing agricultural

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use in a more controlled way. We believe it's the

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latter. The staff report highlights that under the current zoning

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as a soil based cannabis facility could be built on

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this property without this amendment. It also states that the

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exact greenhouse structure we're proposing could be built for another

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crop without this amendment. So what is actually changing? It's

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not. The land use, and it's not the agricultural nature

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of the site. The amendment allows a non soil base

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for a limited, site specific greenhouse. That's it. Some of

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what we heard, both in engagement and in the written

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submissions, isn't really about setbacks or sighting or policy. It's

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a broader discomfort with the crop itself. Council isn't being

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asked to make a value judgment about cannabis. Cannabis is

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a legal, highly regulated agricultural crop. Recognized in law and

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policy. Some neighbors have argued that this area is too

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residential for this kind of greenhouse. With respect, this is

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farmland. The surrounding parcels are a two and we are

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all quite firmly in the Alr homes and farms coexist

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here by design. And on top of this, many of

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our neighbors currently enjoy the privileges of farm status from

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BC assessment. So ask mayor and council. Why should they

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get to have it both ways? If the standard becomes

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agriculture, it's fine until someone nearby doesn't like the crop.

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Or building, it becomes very hard to protect the agricultural

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land base in any meaningful way. Many of the concerns

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you've heard go beyond the specifics of this application. They

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touch on broader worries about change, trust, and how different

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forms of agriculture can coexist. Those concerns are real and

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we don't dismiss them. Megan has already outlined the engagement

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work we did. Part of this process included having a

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four foot by eight foot sign at the front of

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our property with a phone number and email on it.

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For months. Despite that, we received exactly one inbound phone

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call, and it was not from the group that we

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found out later had organized opposition. Most of the conversations

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we had happened because we reached out directly. In those

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conversations, the majority of people were either supportive or neutral.

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A small group chose to organize privately and work through

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concerns without ever contacting us. But I'd like to guide

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us back and finish with the key point. This amendment

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isn't about us. It's about land use on agricultural land,

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cannabis production. Is unequivocally farm use, and this is alr

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farmland. A two zoning permits. Greenhouses, including the one we've

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proposed. The decision tonight combines those two uses in a

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responsible way that complies with council's. Policies. We respectfully ask

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that you support this amendment. Thank you. Thank you. I'm

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going to turn to council. Any questions for the proponents

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councilor Finley? Just a simple question. So the only reason

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that you're really before us is because the soil might

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not be very good, and you need to. Basically do

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non soil. And I can direct you to an agrologist

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report that we had conducted to that effect. As well.

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Yeah. Thank you. Any additional questions from council. So I

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do have a couple of questions based on some of

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the feedback we've heard. From the residents to date. So

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two of them that did stand out for me were,

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with regards to the noise and the odors. So with

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the noise, we have heard concerns about the ventilation. System

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and the odor controlling fans, it would be in a

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facility like this and then also. The odor, which I

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think a lot of folks who live on alr properties,

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they do expect a certain level of odor associated that

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whether it's animal manure or the smell of diesel from

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farm equipment. But with cannabis, there is that pungent odor,

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which I don't think is entirely. Subjective. There are chemical

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components of it that explain why it has that very

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strong odor, that many find offensive. And my understanding is

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that even with the Health Canada regulations, It can be

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challenging to control the odor and. Wonder if you could

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comment on both of those issues and what steps you've

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taken to address it with the proposed facility. Yeah, when

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we were speaking with our neighbors. We've been working for

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the sound. There's a very long report that I've downloaded.

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It's like 20 pages long. Because this comes up not

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only for greenhouses, but also for things like chicken barns

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and cow barns, where you have big ventilation fans, which

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can be grading and so there's a number of things

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from sound perspective, including actual physical barriers. But oversizing the

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fans. For example, I've reached out to the manufacturer of

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this greenhouse. That we're hoping to build, and I've asked

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them about the CFM that we need and so that

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we can oversize the fans, because essentially, if you have

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a bigger fan running slower. It's a lot quieter on

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top of that. We would also have their variable frequency

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drives. It's called. So essentially, the fans wouldn't be running.

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On full bore. Click off. Full bore off. They would

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be very tapered and only respond to the demands of

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the cooling in the greenhouse. From the odor perspective. I've

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been reaching out to several different companies. This is a

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known thing that's happened or it's a known issue that

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comes up with cannabis production. Of any form. And so

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they do exist. Commercial options to help reduce that smell.

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The one that we're investigating most seriously. That fits. Our

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budget is essentially some sort of machine that. It treats

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the air with uv light. It kills microbes and also

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gets rid of the volatile. Organic compounds, they're called. This

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company is based down in California because obviously there's a

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lot of this down in California. So that one has

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been budgeted in. And we also have. Other options for

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the exhaust, including the one we had mentioned at the

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last meeting, which is the activated carbon, which is the

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most common one used. Thank you, Councilor Hogg. One quick

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question about the odor. So even if this did not

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go through, you can still grow marijuana and you'd still

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have odor. And in that case, actually, If we were

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to go in a soil based then under the classifications

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of Health Canada, we'd, be considered outdoor, and there would

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be no recourse and we would be fully I would

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think under the Al. ALC protected by the right to

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Farm act, which they have had multiple complaints for. What's?

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Considered outdoor cannabis come up in the Kootenes and other

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areas, and they've routinely struck that down and said that

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that falls under right to farm protections. What we're proposing

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actually is the only version of this that has any

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sort of recourse that's. My understanding, so. You are able

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to control the order better than if you did a

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soil based that you are. Allowed to do right now.

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Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. See no further questions

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from council. Thanks for the overview of your application. Thank

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you, mayor. And council. Thank you. So now invite the

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corporate officer to provide a summary of the correspondence received

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and published in tonight's. Agenda. Thank you, mayor. So notice

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of this public hearing was posted to North Kawichin's. Notice

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board and website on the 2 January 2026, advertised on

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social media on 2 January 2026 and published in the

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couch. And Valley Citizen on the 14 January 2026. All

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correspondents received has been provided to council, circulated in an

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addendum and posted to North Couchen's website. Printed copies are

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available in the public hearing information package that is located

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in the binder outside of council chambers for anyone here

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today who hasn't seen them and would like to read.

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The full submissions. Total of 29 written submissions have been

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received. 17 were in support of the zoning amendment, eleven

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were opposed, and one contained comments. Just a second, mayor.

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There was one other thing. So there was one additional.

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Late piece of submission that was received after the 01:00

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p.m. cut off. Today. I'd like to read it into

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the record now, if that's okay with you. Mr. Mayor.

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It's fairly short. Thank you. Please do. So this email

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is from Leslie Daw, D a W. It's a follow

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up from her December 15 email, which she just learned

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that was not included in the town hall package. I

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wish to express our firm opposition to this proposed amendment.

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While we believe Shay and Meghan genuinely hope to alleviate.

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Our concerns around the noxious odor. Beacon strength, lighting and

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ventilation and heating needed for a sizable commercial enterprise. It

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is simply not possible. On a small acreage. With neighbors

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in such close proximity, we are very supportive of local

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farming. Operations. However, not all properties are suitable when there

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is no means to mitigate nuisance scenarios. Our home on

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couch. And Lake Road has been a small time farming

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oasis, and I would hope to be able to continue

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to enjoy it as such. Please don't let this become

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an intense industrial zone. Respectfully. Leslie daw, Paul Keller. Thank

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you, mayor. Thank you. I'll now invite the public to

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share their comments. Each speaker will have an initial three

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minute maximum to speak, followed by additional turns as needed.

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The public is asked to clearly state their name and

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address for the public record. So, would anyone like to

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step forward to the podium and speak on this application?

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Yes, sir. Please come to the podium state. Your name

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and address and you get three minutes. Oh, if you

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want to hit the button there for the mic. Apologies.

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Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Stephen Panicook.

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I and my wife live at 3935 Couch and Lake

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Road. My wife and I are direct neighbors, sharing a

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property line with the proposed site. I want to be

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clear. Our presence here isn't about opposing the property. Owners

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personally, we believe this is the case. Of the right

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people, but the wrong location. On this small two acre

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parcel. There are physical constraints that simply cannot be mitigated

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for an industrial scale greenhouse. I'll speak to policy violations.

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This amendment is for a non soil based production. Your

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own. Alr non soil based cannabis production policy states these

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facilities should be a minimum of 150 meters from public

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parkland or public use. However, the adjacent public trail and

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parkland are less than 100 meters from this site on

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a two acre lot. There is no room to move

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this building to fix this. Furthermore. OCP number 3900 focuses

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on protecting our rural character and dark skies. This facility

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requires high powered fans running twenty four seven and can

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require up to 18 hours of intense light. In our

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quiet rural setting. This creates a constant industrial and sky

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glow that disrupts the peace and local wildlife. I also

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speak to you tonight as a first responder, I'm regularly

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exposed to high stress environments. And my home is my

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only sanctuary to decompress and remain fit for duty. The

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introduction of 24/7 industrial noise and pungent odors on my

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property line directly threatens the peace and my ability to

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serve the community effectively. Finally. We must address public safety.

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This property is in development permit area number four interface

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while fire hazard. Non soil based production requires massive industrial

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electrical loads. Introducing that power into a high risk wildfire.

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Zone is an unnecessary gamble. A structure fire here involving

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pesticides and fertili. Fertilizers would pose a specialized toxic smoke

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risk to my family and trail users. In closing the

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a two zone already allows for soil based farming. This

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amendment asked to industrialize a small lot that has no

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room for the required buffers to protect public parkland or

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my home. I respectfully urge council to uphold its own

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policies and deny zoning amendment by law. Thank you. Thank

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you. Would anyone else like to step forward and speak

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this application? Yes. Please come up to the podium.

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My name is Naomi Paulula. I live at 1433 Thompson

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Terrace. I've known Shay. And Megan for quite a long

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time, and I know that they bought land on the

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airlr. Specifically to farm, and this proposal is in service

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to that long term plan. It is an agricultural use

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of agricultural land. I have also seen firsthand the effort

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they have put into being open and communicative. With their

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neighbors and the community. And the commitment that they have

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to their community. This proposal has nothing to do with

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whether or not cannabis can be grown on this property

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as part of the ALR. A soil based operation is

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already permitted, as we have noted, as is a large

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greenhouse. Facility. Farm uses of farmland come with farm impacts,

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fertilizers, animal sounds and smells and use of fur machinery

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are all a part of farming and include a lot

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of the same kinds of issues. As we've spoken about

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tonight, a nonsale based greenhouse, as proposed, offers greater ability

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for the mitigation of potential effects like smell and light.

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As well as greater control and productivity in a changing

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climate. This is a crop ambiguous structure that can be

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used to grow other plants, and you can see examples

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of the same kind of structure. At dinternursery. I have

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a single income family, and a small scale agricultural operation

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like this can offer opportunities for flexible, seasonal work that

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can help families like mine make ends meet. I am

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strongly in support of the proposed amendment. Thank you for

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your time. Thank you. Would anyone else like to come

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forward? Yes. If you come up the podium, state your

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name and. Address. Is this on? Yeah, it's

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on. Yeah. Afternoon. My name is Lou McKay. I live

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at 30 911 Lake Couch and road. I'm directly alongside.

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She and Megan. I say the same fence line. I

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share the same concerns that Steve has on the other

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side of him. They say this is their dream, but

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it's destroying ours. With the light and the noise. I

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know they're allowed to can of this forehead. It's not

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the council's. Fault, and it's a lr's fault. But. I'm

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just totally against. An industrial cannabis facility coming next door

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to me. If they put. It in. They're only 50

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meters. 100ft from our host. Well, actually, a little bit.

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Farther. And that is not going to be comfortable. Thank

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you. Thank you. Would anyone else like to come forward?

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Snipe, come to the podium. State your name and. Address.

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Hi. My name. Is. I'm deeply troubled. My name is

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Verna Bueller. And. I live across the road from Shay

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and Megan. Actually our driveways. Lou driveway and ours are

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directly opposite and therefore. They are just a few feet.

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To the west. Thank you. First of all, Mayor and

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council members for this opportunity to speak. About this issue.

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Of the bylaw. Normally, I vote for counsel and then

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trust. Wise decisions will be made. However. Although I have

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read through the official community plan. In the past. I.

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Slowly reread it several times during this week. I take

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to heart. That in this document, the municipality states and

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believes. Continual communication with the community. Will ensure that leadership

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understands the passions, contributions and happiness of the people living

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in this unique valley. Thereby. When members of the municipality

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speak, the council is enabled to make better decisions moving

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forward. Toward the actualization of the commendable mission statements in

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the document. Because of this. I'm addressing you this evening.

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I am Vernabuler. At the address previously stated of 390

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eight couch and Lake Road. And I have taken. To

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my address, the north couch and title as well, instead

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of Duncan. Thank you for that opportunity. The above property

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belonging to Shay and Megan is located at 39 25.

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As you've already heard several times. And we in the

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same light as the two previous speakers. Are direct neighbors.

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We're just across the road. We're intensely opposed to the

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rezoning amendment and ask that the Council of North Couch

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and rejects this proposal. This commercial business will change the

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rural neighborhood from a healthy, green community of families who

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value clean air and healthy food. Growing practices to one

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that produces a product well known to cause harm. We're

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at time, but once everyone else has had a chance

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to speak. I'm out of time. Yeah, but once everyone

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has had a chance to speak on it, you can

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come back and offer additional comments, but the idea, because

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I wasn't. You can come back after everyone's had a

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chance to speak. Everyone gets three minutes first time up.

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Would anyone else like to come forward? Yes. To come

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up to the podium, state your name and. Address. This

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is already on. Three minutes. We can go fast. All

470
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right. Good evening, everyone. Thank you for having me here.

471
00:38:59,881 --> 00:39:04,144
My name is Jacqueline Boyd. I am not a farmer.

472
00:39:04,144 --> 00:39:06,464
I don't know much about agriculture. I'm a leadership. Development

473
00:39:06,464 --> 00:39:09,264
consultant for a professional services firm. But I do know

474
00:39:09,264 --> 00:39:12,944
Megan and Shay very well. We bought our respective homes

475
00:39:12,944 --> 00:39:18,051
here around the same time. In the summer of 2021,

476
00:39:18,051 --> 00:39:20,611
we both moved here with dreams. My husband and I

477
00:39:20,611 --> 00:39:22,891
moved here to start and raise a family, which we

478
00:39:22,891 --> 00:39:27,811
were graciously allowed, permitted to do physically. September of 2024.

479
00:39:27,811 --> 00:39:30,571
We welcomed our first daughter, and Megan and Shane moved

480
00:39:30,571 --> 00:39:34,451
here with their dream to farm. To start a farm.

481
00:39:34,451 --> 00:39:37,811
That is why they thoughtfully. And carefully purchased their home

482
00:39:37,811 --> 00:39:41,568
on agriculturally zoned land. I'm going off script here because

483
00:39:41,568 --> 00:39:44,048
I'm just really driven right now to share. With you

484
00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:47,762
what I know about Megan Shah here. They are not

485
00:39:47,762 --> 00:39:51,203
only really good friends to us, they're family. And since

486
00:39:51,203 --> 00:39:54,435
we've met them. We have known. One thing about them,

487
00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:57,321
without a doubt in the mind, is that. They are

488
00:39:57,321 --> 00:40:00,281
passionate about farming and agriculture. They care for the land,

489
00:40:00,281 --> 00:40:03,281
they care for their neighbors and they are community members

490
00:40:03,281 --> 00:40:10,382
here. I want to emphasize how thoughtfully. Incredibly responsible. These

491
00:40:10,382 --> 00:40:13,982
people are with deep roots. Megan's parents recently even moved

492
00:40:13,982 --> 00:40:15,582
here and bought a home just to be closer to

493
00:40:15,582 --> 00:40:17,502
them because they believe in the life and future that

494
00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:21,037
this family is building here. Their whole life is woven

495
00:40:21,037 --> 00:40:25,157
into this community. They shop locally, they support local business,

496
00:40:25,157 --> 00:40:27,837
they show up. At pride and support in other parts

497
00:40:27,837 --> 00:40:30,917
of the community. Megan and I regularly volunteer together at

498
00:40:30,917 --> 00:40:33,397
the couch and basket society where she also donates food

499
00:40:33,397 --> 00:40:39,174
grown on her property. She makes Christmas cookies and delivers

500
00:40:39,174 --> 00:40:42,614
them to her neighbors. Every year she bakes pies with

501
00:40:42,614 --> 00:40:45,494
fruit grown from their property. I have no doubt in

502
00:40:45,494 --> 00:40:48,902
my mind that they care very much about. What is

503
00:40:48,902 --> 00:40:50,742
the impact that they are trying to do to their

504
00:40:50,742 --> 00:40:53,102
neighbors? And that is seen in how they've outlined their

505
00:40:53,102 --> 00:40:58,666
engagement. With the community. I'm also here to just strongly

506
00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:02,066
support this greenhouse project as a person who's moved here

507
00:41:02,066 --> 00:41:05,146
to start their family. I believe in what this community

508
00:41:05,146 --> 00:41:10,196
can achieve if we. Support projects like this that embody

509
00:41:10,196 --> 00:41:13,756
the ground level entrepreneurial spirit that helps small communities thrive.

510
00:41:14,881 --> 00:41:17,281
They represent the kind of innovation and resilience that keeps

511
00:41:17,281 --> 00:41:21,957
our agricultural sector alive. It's important to note that this

512
00:41:21,957 --> 00:41:24,797
proposal has been carefully designed to stay in line with

513
00:41:24,797 --> 00:41:28,298
the rural character of the area. It is not something

514
00:41:28,298 --> 00:41:32,938
that will dramatically change the agricultural landscape as the question

515
00:41:32,938 --> 00:41:37,228
outlined. They are completely permitted to be growing cannabis in

516
00:41:37,228 --> 00:41:40,628
an agricultural structure on soil based land here, so. The

517
00:41:40,628 --> 00:41:44,388
question of odor and sound is mute. If they're able

518
00:41:44,388 --> 00:41:53,666
to do that, regardless of the amendment. I'm excited at

519
00:41:53,666 --> 00:41:56,106
the potential that this project has to lift up our

520
00:41:56,106 --> 00:41:59,386
community, to bring new business and new opportunities for employment.

521
00:41:59,386 --> 00:42:02,826
As Naomi earlier mentioned, as their sources of income, you

522
00:42:02,826 --> 00:42:05,146
can come back up again if you like. Thank you

523
00:42:05,146 --> 00:42:10,293
so much. Thanks. Would anyone else like to come forward

524
00:42:10,293 --> 00:42:16,005
to the podium? And speak on this application. Mayor, just

525
00:42:16,005 --> 00:42:18,365
so you know, there is one person in the large

526
00:42:18,365 --> 00:42:20,765
committee room as well. So when you're ready, I can

527
00:42:20,765 --> 00:42:23,205
have them come over. Sure. After this gentleman, we'll bring.

528
00:42:23,205 --> 00:42:25,885
That person over, then. Thank you. If you can state

529
00:42:25,885 --> 00:42:29,565
your name and address. My name is Greg. Turpenning. I

530
00:42:29,565 --> 00:42:34,205
live at 4367 Baines Mill Road, North Kauchen. I'm Megan's.

531
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,159
Father and Shay's father in law. And as Jacqueline mentioned

532
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,799
a second ago, my wife and I actually moved to

533
00:42:41,799 --> 00:42:45,719
North Kawichan in order to support our our daughter and

534
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:51,286
our son. In law. In running a farm. Because. The

535
00:42:51,286 --> 00:42:53,406
little experience I've had in that which I did have

536
00:42:53,406 --> 00:42:58,765
early in life. Says it's a lot of work. Listening

537
00:42:58,765 --> 00:43:01,645
tonight, listening to some of the statements that people have

538
00:43:01,645 --> 00:43:04,925
made expressing opposition, I really do appreciate that they plot

539
00:43:04,925 --> 00:43:07,645
this through, and I think they've really tried to ground

540
00:43:07,645 --> 00:43:10,205
it and that makes a lot of sense to me.

541
00:43:11,535 --> 00:43:14,895
But still, the fact remains that I think the application.

542
00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:20,149
Is very valid. Their proposal for what they're going to

543
00:43:20,149 --> 00:43:25,845
do. Is very realistic. And if you agree to this,

544
00:43:25,845 --> 00:43:30,018
then the question arises, then what happens? And what kind

545
00:43:30,018 --> 00:43:33,359
of people. Would they be if, in fact, they did

546
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:37,119
receive complaints from their neighbors? What you've seen tonight was

547
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,439
the two of them, the presentation and the support that

548
00:43:39,439 --> 00:43:43,032
they've had from friends. Is a pretty good indicator. Of

549
00:43:43,032 --> 00:43:47,032
the kind of response that they will give to those

550
00:43:47,032 --> 00:43:49,952
if there are odors, if there's noise issues if they

551
00:43:49,952 --> 00:43:54,072
can be mitigated in any way. Shay and Meghan understand

552
00:43:54,072 --> 00:43:56,632
how that can actually be done. They understand the mechanics

553
00:43:56,632 --> 00:44:00,032
of this, and they are committed to working with their

554
00:44:00,032 --> 00:44:03,623
neighbors and working in a community. In a community that

555
00:44:03,623 --> 00:44:06,823
they've deliberately chosen and that they very much love and

556
00:44:06,823 --> 00:44:12,221
so do we, and that will make this work. And

557
00:44:12,221 --> 00:44:15,101
I think it's a nature of their character more than

558
00:44:15,101 --> 00:44:19,655
anything else. That is once, hopefully, you, mayor and counsel.

559
00:44:21,435 --> 00:44:25,941
Pass this. Will make this actually work and function properly

560
00:44:25,941 --> 00:44:29,756
as time goes by. Thank you very much. Thank you.

561
00:44:30,375 --> 00:44:32,055
If you come up to the podium, state your name

562
00:44:32,055 --> 00:44:37,979
and address. Man from the back. I'm so sorry.

563
00:44:42,709 --> 00:44:44,709
Because you came from the large committee room. Yeah. You

564
00:44:44,709 --> 00:44:49,853
were next. Yeah. Okay. Hello. My name is Jane Wharton.

565
00:44:49,853 --> 00:44:54,653
I live at 3972 Satlam Road, our property. Also includes

566
00:44:54,653 --> 00:45:01,328
3940 Satlam Road, which is directly behind. The Shane Megan's

567
00:45:01,328 --> 00:45:09,462
property. Our family was part. Connected. And was part of

568
00:45:09,462 --> 00:45:12,982
the conversations with community members who were concerned about this.

569
00:45:14,181 --> 00:45:18,963
Proposal, and we take our neighbor's concern seriously. And so

570
00:45:18,963 --> 00:45:22,083
we're listening and talking with them. And then when we

571
00:45:22,083 --> 00:45:25,043
met, she and Megan, we asked them about some other

572
00:45:25,043 --> 00:45:30,748
concerns, and in particular, Around light pollution. Was something that

573
00:45:30,748 --> 00:45:33,668
we were worried about. Even though it would be permitted,

574
00:45:33,668 --> 00:45:36,957
we wanted to know what their plans were. And also

575
00:45:36,957 --> 00:45:43,572
about the size of the operation, because. Larger industrial growth

576
00:45:43,572 --> 00:45:47,822
can have more of an odor. Two pieces that I

577
00:45:47,822 --> 00:45:51,182
think maybe haven't come out tonight in the presentation as

578
00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:54,302
much is that the size of this is actually significantly

579
00:45:54,302 --> 00:45:58,342
smaller than some of the industrial growth cannabis operations that

580
00:45:58,342 --> 00:46:00,982
we have in the valley where there is odor that

581
00:46:00,982 --> 00:46:05,942
extends longer. So that greatly reduced my concern. And their

582
00:46:05,942 --> 00:46:09,293
plans. To have shade, which will shave cloth, which will

583
00:46:09,293 --> 00:46:12,773
prevent light pollution through the night, which can have a

584
00:46:12,773 --> 00:46:15,453
real impact on the environment as well as on people's

585
00:46:15,453 --> 00:46:19,253
abilities to sleep. So those two concerns, as well as

586
00:46:19,253 --> 00:46:23,576
the extremely. Proactive way that they were engaging with community

587
00:46:23,576 --> 00:46:29,059
members really mitigated any concerns that we had. And I

588
00:46:29,059 --> 00:46:32,259
want to reinforce as we also are on Alr land,

589
00:46:32,259 --> 00:46:35,539
we farmed on our kind of crappy soil on and

590
00:46:35,539 --> 00:46:38,179
off for the last 18 years. Can't always maintain farm

591
00:46:38,179 --> 00:46:41,019
status, it is hard for young farmers to make a

592
00:46:41,019 --> 00:46:44,059
go of it. This is an agricultural community. It is

593
00:46:44,059 --> 00:46:47,779
really important that we support farmers to farm on agricultural

594
00:46:47,779 --> 00:46:51,382
land. And I believe that this kind of proposal is

595
00:46:51,382 --> 00:46:54,262
more likely to be viable than many other crops. Which

596
00:46:54,262 --> 00:46:56,582
could be grown. So I'm excited to see this kind

597
00:46:56,582 --> 00:46:58,862
of work happening in the community, and it's hard to

598
00:46:58,862 --> 00:47:05,480
stand up. And oppose my neighbor's concerns because. Relationships really

599
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,600
matter in our community. But I also trust that Shane,

600
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,002
Megan. Will mitigate any concerns that are brought to them.

601
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,050
Thank you very much. Thank you. Come to the podium.

602
00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:25,320
State your name and address. Hello. My name is Brittany

603
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,560
Foot. I actually didn't plan on speaking on this, but

604
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,800
as someone who grew up on 3975 Kawichan Lake Road,

605
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,680
as well as three nine five. Couch and Lake Road.

606
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:42,058
I'm a third generation. My family is the foot family,

607
00:47:42,058 --> 00:47:45,778
third generation of living there on that property, and I

608
00:47:45,778 --> 00:47:48,138
just wanted to say that my parents reached out to

609
00:47:48,138 --> 00:47:51,218
me and they wanted me to offer their support to

610
00:47:51,218 --> 00:47:56,044
this. They had a thoughtful conversation with Shay and Megan,

611
00:47:56,044 --> 00:48:01,152
and they expressed. Any concerns to my parents that people

612
00:48:01,152 --> 00:48:04,312
may have, and they are very much in favor of

613
00:48:04,312 --> 00:48:06,752
this. To go through, so thank you, council. I hope

614
00:48:06,752 --> 00:48:11,827
you consider that. Thank you. Would anyone else like to

615
00:48:11,827 --> 00:48:15,224
step forward? See if you can see your name and

616
00:48:15,224 --> 00:48:23,950
address. My name is David Van Daventer. I live at

617
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:27,550
1727 Robert street in Crofton. I am the president of

618
00:48:27,550 --> 00:48:29,910
the Duncan Couch and Chamber of Commerce, and I appear

619
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:33,030
before you tonight on their behalf and our 644 member

620
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:37,089
businesses in the couch and valley. We are a business.

621
00:48:38,575 --> 00:48:43,134
Oriented organization. We will always support business. In all its

622
00:48:43,134 --> 00:48:47,910
many forms, agricultural business included. I did have a brief

623
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:51,580
conversation with Shay last week. Found him to be a

624
00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:54,940
very intelligent young man. Really seems to know what they're

625
00:48:54,940 --> 00:49:01,161
doing. I would like to remind people. As they come

626
00:49:01,161 --> 00:49:04,924
up to make more comments. We're not here to debate

627
00:49:04,924 --> 00:49:09,654
cannabis. As a crop. We're not here to create, to

628
00:49:09,654 --> 00:49:12,774
debate the efficacy of cannabis. We're not here to debate

629
00:49:12,774 --> 00:49:14,534
whether or not you should be allowed to grow it.

630
00:49:14,534 --> 00:49:19,338
What we're. Here to debate is simply. The way in

631
00:49:19,338 --> 00:49:22,984
which it's going to be grown. I would remind you,

632
00:49:22,984 --> 00:49:27,184
and as has been reminded if. They decide to move

633
00:49:27,184 --> 00:49:30,344
ahead with a soil based cannabis operation and be outdoor.

634
00:49:31,776 --> 00:49:34,096
You're going to smell it, and there's not a thing

635
00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:37,572
you could do to stop it. So it makes sense

636
00:49:37,572 --> 00:49:40,252
to me if they're going to grow it anyways, they

637
00:49:40,252 --> 00:49:41,972
might. As well grow it in a greenhouse and be

638
00:49:41,972 --> 00:49:47,260
able to mitigate. The odors. I find it interesting that.

639
00:49:50,326 --> 00:49:53,806
The word being used to describe this greenhouse is industrial.

640
00:49:55,325 --> 00:50:00,445
It's a greenhouse. It's an agricultural production unit on agricultural

641
00:50:00,445 --> 00:50:04,762
land. If we don't support agriculture, then why are we

642
00:50:04,762 --> 00:50:12,312
here? So just in short, the Duncan couch and chamber

643
00:50:12,312 --> 00:50:17,972
and it's 644 member businesses strongly. Support. This rezoning application.

644
00:50:17,972 --> 00:50:23,690
Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments on this application?

645
00:50:25,796 --> 00:50:27,796
We go to second round now? Yeah. Please step up

646
00:50:27,796 --> 00:50:36,203
to the podium. Mayor, can I just remind you to

647
00:50:36,203 --> 00:50:39,243
perhaps put a call out to some online? There's about

648
00:50:39,243 --> 00:50:45,048
22 people on there, too. After you. That's fine. I

649
00:50:45,048 --> 00:50:47,970
just want to remind you I will speak. Much more

650
00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:55,335
quickly. And I apologize for that. Okay. So I think

651
00:50:55,335 --> 00:51:02,447
I left off saying that. We were immediate neighbors. Of

652
00:51:02,447 --> 00:51:08,814
Shay and Megan's if across the road. Is considered immediate.

653
00:51:08,814 --> 00:51:13,014
I believe it is. The commercial business will change the

654
00:51:13,014 --> 00:51:18,875
rural neighborhood from a healthy green community. Of families who

655
00:51:18,875 --> 00:51:22,755
value clean air and healthy food growing practices to one

656
00:51:22,755 --> 00:51:25,875
that produces a product well known to cause harm to

657
00:51:25,875 --> 00:51:29,815
society. I know I'm not supposed to say that. Yeah.

658
00:51:29,815 --> 00:51:34,495
Okay. I know. The prevailing wind is from the direction

659
00:51:34,495 --> 00:51:38,775
of 39 25, couch and lake property. And the skunk

660
00:51:38,775 --> 00:51:43,375
lake stench will intensely and thoroughly invade our two acre

661
00:51:43,375 --> 00:51:49,224
gordon irrespective of the efforts. Of Meghan and Shay. It

662
00:51:49,224 --> 00:51:53,024
will settle heavily in the hollow, the lower level area

663
00:51:53,024 --> 00:51:55,584
in the back half of our property and also in

664
00:51:55,584 --> 00:52:00,566
that of our neighbors. It will smother our property. This

665
00:52:00,566 --> 00:52:02,886
unpleasant odor will destroy the work we have done over

666
00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:05,846
the period of 15 years to create a garden with

667
00:52:05,846 --> 00:52:10,166
pleasant, refreshing and soothing fragrances throughout the year. When guests

668
00:52:10,166 --> 00:52:13,606
arrive to a yard often to visit the gardens. One

669
00:52:13,606 --> 00:52:15,966
of the most frequent comments we hear is how fragrant

670
00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:20,788
the yard is and how wonderful and restorative. Those scents

671
00:52:20,788 --> 00:52:24,332
can be. Just this morning, though, and I've added this

672
00:52:24,332 --> 00:52:27,292
from the letter that I'd sent. I received information that

673
00:52:27,292 --> 00:52:29,692
might be interesting to the North Couch and council as

674
00:52:29,692 --> 00:52:34,852
well from April 21. To the 26th of this year

675
00:52:34,852 --> 00:52:39,732
in 2026, an international garden convention is taking place on

676
00:52:39,732 --> 00:52:42,892
the island, the couch and Valley Road. At Edmund society

677
00:52:42,892 --> 00:52:49,570
initiated the conversation. That the American Rotandron Society Spring Convention

678
00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:52,410
26 should be held in the couch and valley however.

679
00:52:53,672 --> 00:52:56,432
Our valley does not have the facilities and accommodation to

680
00:52:56,432 --> 00:53:00,390
host such a large event. Nor does it have a

681
00:53:00,390 --> 00:53:04,910
public garden. So the base of this convention will be

682
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:09,750
held in qualicum? Beach. However, as this valley is prime.

683
00:53:11,327 --> 00:53:15,869
Garden growing area. As part of the convention, the couch

684
00:53:15,869 --> 00:53:18,389
and valley is offering a garden tour of three private

685
00:53:18,389 --> 00:53:24,309
gardens lunch and several other stops on Thursday, April 23.

686
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:27,029
This morning we were told that within three days of

687
00:53:27,029 --> 00:53:31,869
registration opening the couch and valley tour portion has almost

688
00:53:31,869 --> 00:53:36,680
reached its participation. Limit our garden at 39 eight Couch

689
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,880
and Lake Road is a garden open to these international

690
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,200
and local guests. It has also been open in the

691
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,240
past for charitable fundraising efforts for nonprofit organizations. This year's

692
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,720
public time again. But you know, you'll get another opportunity.

693
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,345
Can I have. My next turn now. There's a gentleman

694
00:53:55,345 --> 00:53:58,825
behind you there, but there are some online participants, and

695
00:53:58,825 --> 00:54:01,225
I don't. See them with their hands up, but I

696
00:54:01,225 --> 00:54:04,671
should give them an opportunity to weigh in. So I'll

697
00:54:04,671 --> 00:54:08,953
ask you online participants, would anyone like. To speak on

698
00:54:08,953 --> 00:54:13,900
this application before us. Yeah, I don't see any hands

699
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:19,585
raised. All right, so go back to the gallery, ma'am,

700
00:54:19,585 --> 00:54:22,385
if you want to come up for. A third round.

701
00:54:23,708 --> 00:54:26,748
I'll speak even faster. And now I see a timer.

702
00:54:26,748 --> 00:54:31,188
Here. Thank you. Oh, God. Where? Was I? Okay, I

703
00:54:31,188 --> 00:54:34,148
was talking about this convention that's coming up, right? Wasn't

704
00:54:34,148 --> 00:54:37,108
I. So I'm not ready to start, but I will.

705
00:54:37,108 --> 00:54:40,992
Oh, shoot. I have. Here. I'll start over again. You

706
00:54:40,992 --> 00:54:47,511
ready now? Okay. The couch, and valley is offering a

707
00:54:47,511 --> 00:54:51,151
garden tour of three private gardens, lunch and several other

708
00:54:51,151 --> 00:54:54,151
stops on Thursday, April 23. This morning we were told

709
00:54:54,151 --> 00:54:58,145
that. Oh, I did that, that. Was in the three

710
00:54:58,145 --> 00:55:01,585
days. Registration was almost full for this tour in our

711
00:55:01,585 --> 00:55:05,919
valley. These are international. Guests. They're coming. Recognized names from

712
00:55:05,919 --> 00:55:10,233
the other side of Canada. And the us as well.

713
00:55:11,989 --> 00:55:14,509
So this year's public tours in April and May of

714
00:55:14,509 --> 00:55:17,909
our garden may be the last. Available to the community

715
00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:23,125
as skunk is not what guests come to experience. We

716
00:55:23,125 --> 00:55:25,885
propagate, grow and care for rotodenins intended for the couch

717
00:55:25,885 --> 00:55:30,405
and Valley Roadodenza society. We knew no pesticides. Everything's organic.

718
00:55:30,405 --> 00:55:34,245
The variety of rotodendrons in our garden provide cuttings for

719
00:55:34,245 --> 00:55:39,542
the society. There are those that aren't available. In a

720
00:55:39,542 --> 00:55:43,342
commercial market, and there's no profit for my husband and

721
00:55:43,342 --> 00:55:47,650
myself in doing so. She see that he does not

722
00:55:47,650 --> 00:55:50,730
even like roadodendrance. But we know that the people in

723
00:55:50,730 --> 00:55:54,770
this community do at the CBRS plant. Plant sale at

724
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:59,661
the hub last spring. Oh, God. In all, 120 rhododendrons

725
00:55:59,661 --> 00:56:03,941
were sold within 45 minutes of opening our gates. Furthermore.

726
00:56:03,941 --> 00:56:07,021
Furthermore, the order will be a minute by minute sad

727
00:56:07,021 --> 00:56:10,741
and depressing reminder to me of the ruin of. I

728
00:56:10,741 --> 00:56:12,861
know I'm not supposed to do this. Young people's lives.

729
00:56:12,861 --> 00:56:16,541
That I witnessed as a secondary schoolteacher. Scientific studies of

730
00:56:16,541 --> 00:56:19,177
the negative effects of cannabis. Are dwell on developing brains

731
00:56:19,177 --> 00:56:21,257
of young people under the age of 25 as well

732
00:56:21,257 --> 00:56:25,486
documented. Okay, I can go on in that. But should

733
00:56:25,486 --> 00:56:31,145
the municipality not actively encourage activ. Active crop production programs,

734
00:56:31,145 --> 00:56:35,827
should it not? Decrease, avoid and decrease the practices that

735
00:56:35,827 --> 00:56:38,747
distract from the health, from the mission statements. I think

736
00:56:38,747 --> 00:56:42,375
it does say that. How could you justify anything else?

737
00:56:42,375 --> 00:56:47,390
Sorry. Science direct explains the carbon footprint of indoor cannabis

738
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:50,950
production. One. Oh, my goodness. Okay, I'm going to skip.

739
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:53,670
You have all that done, all that research, I'm sure.

740
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:56,944
Right. It's. Right up there. In terms of the carbon

741
00:56:56,944 --> 00:57:03,426
footprint. One average kilogram of final product. Oh, gosh. Indoor

742
00:57:03,426 --> 00:57:06,826
cannabis culturation requires eight times more. Energy per square foot

743
00:57:06,826 --> 00:57:08,986
than a typical commercial building, four times more than the

744
00:57:08,986 --> 00:57:13,494
hospital, 18 times more. Than average whole 3 million. Cores

745
00:57:13,494 --> 00:57:17,745
to maintain either. Then I'm talking about the HVAC equipment

746
00:57:17,745 --> 00:57:25,570
and. The constant noise. So waste. Intense artificial light. It

747
00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:27,930
will destroy the effects of blazing lights for 18 hours

748
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:30,930
of 24 hours, days. Of 24 hours per day is

749
00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:33,970
frightening for the neighbors of the community. What were one's

750
00:57:33,970 --> 00:57:38,829
quiet, dark evenings or relaxation, as Steve mentioned. On the

751
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:41,949
deck where we could sit in the dork and identify

752
00:57:41,949 --> 00:57:44,909
planets and stars in the sky is going to be

753
00:57:44,909 --> 00:57:51,106
completely. Right time again. I'm going to ask, ask if

754
00:57:51,106 --> 00:57:53,186
there are any other members the public want to step.

755
00:57:53,186 --> 00:57:56,698
Forward. Yes, sir. I think you're going to actually get

756
00:57:56,698 --> 00:58:00,138
an opportunity to respond to all the comments after we

757
00:58:00,138 --> 00:58:06,140
finish the public input portion. Die. Should have practiced speed

758
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:11,946
talking. Pardon? Just finish your comments. I'm going to turn

759
00:58:11,946 --> 00:58:14,306
the timer off. I think you're the last member of

760
00:58:14,306 --> 00:58:16,306
the public wants to. I don't have much more, really,

761
00:58:16,306 --> 00:58:25,507
honestly, I pray. These lights, irrespective of their containment efforts.

762
00:58:30,308 --> 00:58:37,963
And, of course, you guys. You immediately promise to reduce

763
00:58:37,963 --> 00:58:44,675
taxes to everyone in this neighborhood because. Substantially decreased property

764
00:58:44,675 --> 00:58:49,075
values destroys the character and appeal of this rural community.

765
00:58:49,075 --> 00:58:52,235
Friends and neighbors haven't. Heard this. No, I hadn't either.

766
00:58:52,235 --> 00:58:57,318
But how many of you would rush to buy. These

767
00:58:57,318 --> 00:59:01,118
cheap properties to live there after this. Would you like

768
00:59:01,118 --> 00:59:02,998
to grow? Would you be able to? Live next to

769
00:59:02,998 --> 00:59:06,752
a grow up. Shane Reagan came to visit our home

770
00:59:06,752 --> 00:59:08,712
to assure they wish to have good relationship with the

771
00:59:08,712 --> 00:59:10,952
people. Of the community, the notes of her concerns. Do

772
00:59:10,952 --> 00:59:14,392
those concerns really matter to them, or were they there

773
00:59:14,392 --> 00:59:18,357
to discover how to prepare an argument. I know we've

774
00:59:18,357 --> 00:59:24,422
had character. Support. Or we've had support for the fine

775
00:59:24,422 --> 00:59:28,382
character of the people. No, I think these two people

776
00:59:28,382 --> 00:59:31,022
are choosing to willingly and knowingly destroy their neighbor's. Dreams.

777
00:59:33,498 --> 00:59:37,298
Theirs are taking priorities. If this goes through. We have

778
00:59:37,298 --> 00:59:43,341
slowly developed ours through hard work, dedication, and. Healthy, organic

779
00:59:43,341 --> 00:59:47,747
amendment to the soil. Once they have built their business,

780
00:59:47,747 --> 00:59:50,787
paid their mortgage, and already, as they say, to build

781
00:59:50,787 --> 00:59:57,659
their. Dream garden because they say they enjoy arts from

782
00:59:57,659 --> 01:00:01,079
across the road. Will they stay here? They can make

783
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,079
even more money by selling their business and finding a

784
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:07,919
nice green community to grow their vegetables, trees, fragrant shrubs

785
01:00:07,919 --> 01:00:11,239
and flowers. Megan doesn't smoke pot. At all. She only

786
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:14,079
does approximately once a month. They know the product that

787
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,079
they plan to distribute. To other families is unhealthy. However,

788
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:23,260
they're willing to afford. Members of this community. The happiness

789
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:27,678
and wellness to make money. This type of commercial business

790
01:00:27,678 --> 01:00:30,118
does not belong in a neighborhood where people live and

791
01:00:30,118 --> 01:00:33,958
sleep. If it must be. It belongs in an industrial

792
01:00:33,958 --> 01:00:37,558
area that people leave after work to go through their

793
01:00:37,558 --> 01:00:43,110
quieter greener, more peaceful and pleasant homes, please. Council members.

794
01:00:45,191 --> 01:00:48,711
Please do not pass this bylaw amendment and allow cannabis

795
01:00:48,711 --> 01:00:52,711
business to operate in our community, please. Try to actualize

796
01:00:52,711 --> 01:00:57,555
the mission statements that you made. They're very lofty mission

797
01:00:57,555 --> 01:01:02,155
statements that you've made in your official community plan. I

798
01:01:02,155 --> 01:01:06,975
thank you. I'm finally. Thank you. Thank you. Is there

799
01:01:06,975 --> 01:01:10,625
anyone else who would like to step forward? And speak

800
01:01:10,625 --> 01:01:14,143
to this application. Now I'll call the public a second

801
01:01:14,143 --> 01:01:18,364
time to share their comments. And I'll now call in

802
01:01:18,364 --> 01:01:20,764
the public a third and final time to share their

803
01:01:20,764 --> 01:01:25,322
comments. Lastly, I would like to provide staff and the

804
01:01:25,322 --> 01:01:28,842
applicant with an opportunity to respond to new information. Or

805
01:01:28,842 --> 01:01:31,082
factual matters that may have been raised during the public

806
01:01:31,082 --> 01:01:35,080
hearing. So I'll start with staff. And I'm going to

807
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,213
invite the applicant to step up. Nothing from staff Mr.

808
01:01:39,213 --> 01:01:40,853
Donna, I think you were going to step up earlier

809
01:01:40,853 --> 01:01:41,693
if you want to come up to the podium.

810
01:01:49,628 --> 01:01:54,148
Hello again, mayor and council. Just a very quick technical

811
01:01:54,148 --> 01:01:58,348
note, because I did read Verna's. Letter that she'd written

812
01:01:58,348 --> 01:02:04,846
in. The information that she provided for the sustainability aspect

813
01:02:04,846 --> 01:02:09,046
was based on indoor production. And this is greenhouse production.

814
01:02:09,046 --> 01:02:12,926
And part of what we're actually leaning on from a

815
01:02:12,926 --> 01:02:16,046
business perspective is that we'd be able to produce it

816
01:02:16,046 --> 01:02:18,446
cheaper and more sustainably in a greenhouse compared to the

817
01:02:18,446 --> 01:02:23,080
more traditional industrial style that people are describing. And that's

818
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,680
mostly a holdover from the days of the black market,

819
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,240
where you have to hide it inside buildings. So that's

820
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,480
my only technical comment. I think everything else has been

821
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,888
said. Great. Thank you. So here, you know, further comments,

822
01:02:35,888 --> 01:02:39,728
the public hearing for bylaw number 40 37 2025 is

823
01:02:39,728 --> 01:02:44,659
now closed. No further verbal or written presentations will be

824
01:02:44,659 --> 01:02:47,659
received by any member of council. Whoever council may receive

825
01:02:47,659 --> 01:02:52,094
technical information from its own staff. I'll now reconvene the

826
01:02:52,094 --> 01:02:57,934
regular meeting of council at 07:56 p.m. the bylaw for

827
01:02:57,934 --> 01:03:00,614
consideration of third reading and adoption isoning amendment by all

828
01:03:00,614 --> 01:03:05,134
number 40 37 2025. We need to consider third reading

829
01:03:05,134 --> 01:03:07,694
and adoption separately. So I have a mover for third

830
01:03:07,694 --> 01:03:10,214
reading. Move by Council of Justice, seconded by Councilor Hogg.

831
01:03:11,274 --> 01:03:13,314
Mr. Mayor. Pardon me, and I'm sorry for interrupt, but

832
01:03:13,314 --> 01:03:15,514
the agenda was incorrect. We're, only going to give it

833
01:03:15,514 --> 01:03:21,540
third reading today. Because it is within the 800 meters

834
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:24,500
of the highway, so it needs some Ministry of Transportation

835
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:28,863
approval. So just third reading only, please. Just third reading.

836
01:03:28,863 --> 01:03:33,512
I think that's all we've moved. Seconded. All right. Sorry.

837
01:03:33,512 --> 01:03:38,032
That was Councilor justice, seconded by Councilor Hogg. Any discussion?

838
01:03:38,032 --> 01:03:44,151
Council justice? Yeah. Mr. mayor. I really sympathize with some

839
01:03:44,151 --> 01:03:49,395
of the neighbor's fears and objections. Around noise and smell

840
01:03:49,395 --> 01:03:54,324
and light, and I imagine all of us do. I

841
01:03:54,324 --> 01:03:59,724
also understand that there's important health related concerns about cannabis,

842
01:03:59,724 --> 01:04:04,416
regardless of its legal status. However, I really don't mean

843
01:04:04,416 --> 01:04:08,016
to oversimplify things, but as several people have said, this

844
01:04:08,016 --> 01:04:09,616
is really not a question of whether or not to

845
01:04:09,616 --> 01:04:13,816
allow cannabis growing, nor is it a question about whether

846
01:04:13,816 --> 01:04:17,696
to allow a noisy greenhouse or a light emitting greenhouse.

847
01:04:19,663 --> 01:04:22,343
Really, this is a question of whether to allow a

848
01:04:22,343 --> 01:04:27,915
concrete pad to go under. A greenhouse, as the applicant's

849
01:04:27,915 --> 01:04:31,275
already have. This has also been said several times. They

850
01:04:31,275 --> 01:04:34,990
already have the right to build a greenhouse. And grow

851
01:04:34,990 --> 01:04:39,795
cannabis in a soil based system. So the objections are

852
01:04:39,795 --> 01:04:42,595
valid, but none of them will go away if we

853
01:04:42,595 --> 01:04:46,918
don't allow. Them to grow on a concrete pad. In

854
01:04:46,918 --> 01:04:48,918
fact, I think we've also heard the argument that it

855
01:04:48,918 --> 01:04:53,688
could be a lot worse. If we don't allow. The

856
01:04:53,688 --> 01:04:58,150
operation to proceed on a concrete pad. I also would

857
01:04:58,150 --> 01:05:01,678
like to say that. I totally concur with the view

858
01:05:01,678 --> 01:05:06,305
that's been expressed. That it's vital that we support farming

859
01:05:06,305 --> 01:05:11,079
on agricultural land. So I'm in favor of this application.

860
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:19,031
Moving ahead. Councilor Estach. Thanks, council justice, for that. I

861
01:05:19,031 --> 01:05:22,031
just wanted to share just the feedback we had heard.

862
01:05:24,232 --> 01:05:29,146
At the economic development standing. Our standing committee. Their feedback

863
01:05:29,146 --> 01:05:31,037
on. The real need, and we heard it from the

864
01:05:31,037 --> 01:05:36,381
speak, from public input was. The dire need for people

865
01:05:36,381 --> 01:05:41,226
to actually are doing true farming, that need. As much

866
01:05:41,226 --> 01:05:43,626
support as possible and allowing them to do their business

867
01:05:43,626 --> 01:05:47,626
operations. While those were different perspectives, shared on the type

868
01:05:47,626 --> 01:05:53,835
of. That was more on agritourism, which this isn't, but

869
01:05:53,835 --> 01:05:56,355
just more to that. We really need to support agriculture

870
01:05:56,355 --> 01:05:59,755
in the couch and valley and how hard it is

871
01:05:59,755 --> 01:06:03,115
to do agriculture. So, as I said, it wasn't the

872
01:06:03,115 --> 01:06:05,755
type of agriculture here. Isn't what's? Being discussed, and it's

873
01:06:05,755 --> 01:06:15,099
just about supporting that. Councilor Calio. Thank you, mayor. Yeah.

874
01:06:16,433 --> 01:06:18,193
Councilor justice hit all the targets that I was going

875
01:06:18,193 --> 01:06:22,093
to try and hit. I'm in total agreement with his

876
01:06:22,093 --> 01:06:29,734
comments. It just seems to me that. By actually passing

877
01:06:29,734 --> 01:06:32,414
this, we're going to mitigate a lot of the concerns

878
01:06:32,414 --> 01:06:37,394
of the neighbors, because if we don't pass this, Then

879
01:06:37,394 --> 01:06:40,554
there'll be an open air grow up going on there.

880
01:06:42,076 --> 01:06:44,796
And then. They'll have to deal with it completely without

881
01:06:44,796 --> 01:06:51,287
the air filtration or the light. Mitigation. And people have

882
01:06:51,287 --> 01:06:57,756
said they call us commercial operation, but. As. Dave van

883
01:06:57,756 --> 01:07:02,733
Dave enter said. It's not. It's an agricultural operation. I'm

884
01:07:02,733 --> 01:07:11,245
in support. Thanks, Councilor Kelly, Councilor Finley. Thanks. Mr. Mayor,

885
01:07:11,245 --> 01:07:13,765
I have zero interest in cannabis. It's not a product

886
01:07:13,765 --> 01:07:17,039
I use in any way. It's just not my thing.

887
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:22,679
Regardless, as Mr. Van Davinder said, this isn't about cannabis.

888
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:25,799
This is about an agricultural operation on a two zone

889
01:07:25,799 --> 01:07:30,822
land in Alr. And the only reason they're here is

890
01:07:30,822 --> 01:07:32,342
because they don't want to do it. In the soil.

891
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:37,479
It's non soil based, so I'm in support. I agree

892
01:07:37,479 --> 01:07:41,239
with councilor justice. And how he's worded his words. I

893
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:45,039
think they were fantastic, and I 100% in agreement. I

894
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,119
completely understand the concerns of the neighbors. I live next

895
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:50,359
door to a farm myself. The rooster wakes me up

896
01:07:50,359 --> 01:07:54,322
every single morning. Drives me nuts. But that's where I

897
01:07:54,322 --> 01:07:57,362
chose to live. I live right next to an a

898
01:07:57,362 --> 01:08:01,340
zoned. Property. So I'd like to see this move forward.

899
01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:03,460
I'm looking forward to it. I think this young family

900
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:06,020
that has moved here for the dreams, I think it's

901
01:08:06,020 --> 01:08:09,803
fantastic. And I'm very happy to support them. So I'll

902
01:08:09,803 --> 01:08:14,457
be absolutely in favor of this councilor Hogg. Thank you,

903
01:08:14,457 --> 01:08:17,852
mayor. When. They were here for our first and second

904
01:08:17,852 --> 01:08:22,187
reading. I was really impressed with. The presentation they put

905
01:08:22,187 --> 01:08:26,947
forward. And the time and care they've taken into. What

906
01:08:26,947 --> 01:08:32,399
neighbors have said and mitigating. Any problems that have arisen

907
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,319
or they feel might arise. And I truly feel that

908
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,855
by not doing it, you could actually. Have more problems

909
01:08:39,855 --> 01:08:44,508
arise. This is not about whether you can grow cancer

910
01:08:44,508 --> 01:08:50,194
or not. It's about having it not. In soil. I

911
01:08:50,194 --> 01:08:52,234
used to live on Richard's trail, and there was a

912
01:08:52,234 --> 01:08:55,834
very similar greenhouse there, and. It had the big bright

913
01:08:55,834 --> 01:08:58,874
glow, and the sky would light up every single night.

914
01:09:00,078 --> 01:09:02,238
So to have the shades that mitigate the light as

915
01:09:02,238 --> 01:09:09,525
well is very good. To appease people's dark knights. And

916
01:09:09,525 --> 01:09:12,805
I just think it's a good proposal, and I'm absolutely

917
01:09:12,805 --> 01:09:19,678
in favor of it. Thanks. Scunter hog, perhaps? I can

918
01:09:19,678 --> 01:09:22,803
close our discussion around the table on this item. What

919
01:09:22,803 --> 01:09:28,093
I'd say is. We've heard different perspectives from the proponents

920
01:09:28,093 --> 01:09:31,093
and their supporters and some of the neighbors in the

921
01:09:31,093 --> 01:09:32,973
area, and I think we can all agree that the

922
01:09:32,973 --> 01:09:36,493
proponent has put a great deal of time and effort.

923
01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:40,610
And resources into bringing forward a well thought out proposal,

924
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:43,530
and done so in a way that they've attempted to

925
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:48,924
address some of the concerns with the surrounding neighbors. The

926
01:09:48,924 --> 01:09:51,724
challenge for me, I find with this application, though, is

927
01:09:51,724 --> 01:09:55,832
when you've got so many people. In close proximity to

928
01:09:55,832 --> 01:09:59,674
the subject property. That are opposed and, in my view,

929
01:09:59,674 --> 01:10:05,757
have raised legitimate concerns around noise and odor. And the

930
01:10:05,757 --> 01:10:10,157
encroachment of industrial uses and what's clearly a rural area.

931
01:10:11,799 --> 01:10:16,398
And I do recognize that. The discussion around cannabis was

932
01:10:16,398 --> 01:10:21,430
settled when the federal government. Decided to legalize cannabis production

933
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:23,710
and distribution and use. And if you look at opinion

934
01:10:23,710 --> 01:10:27,350
polls across Canada. We overwhelmingly supported that decision, and I

935
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:30,750
think it's up to us at this table. To rehash

936
01:10:30,750 --> 01:10:34,870
that debate. But I am sympathetic, though, to the concerns

937
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:39,914
raised again by the residents around the encroachment of. Industrial

938
01:10:39,914 --> 01:10:42,834
uses in rural areas. If you look back a few

939
01:10:42,834 --> 01:10:47,004
years ago around this table, We'd become concerned, as many

940
01:10:47,004 --> 01:10:50,837
other communities across BC had at the time. With these

941
01:10:50,837 --> 01:10:54,917
industrial warehouse, bunker style cannabis production facilities that were popping

942
01:10:54,917 --> 01:10:59,317
up, and the ALR, particularly in areas like Richmond, other

943
01:10:59,317 --> 01:11:02,317
parts, lower mainland. So we decided as a council of

944
01:11:02,317 --> 01:11:05,557
that time to update our zoning by law to remove.

945
01:11:06,911 --> 01:11:10,111
The non soil based production facilities as an allowable use

946
01:11:10,111 --> 01:11:14,191
on agricultural properties. But we did create this separate policy

947
01:11:14,191 --> 01:11:21,590
to provide an opening for a site specific. Applications. And

948
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:24,310
I would say with this particular application, it obviously is

949
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:28,470
not that big industrial bunker style warehouse. Like we have

950
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:30,590
seen in places in the lower mainland, but at the

951
01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:34,873
same time, we're not talking about. A small accessory building

952
01:11:34,873 --> 01:11:40,254
here we're talking about. A 2700 square foot facility in

953
01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:43,645
an area where. Even though the properties are in the

954
01:11:43,645 --> 01:11:47,005
ALR, they're definitely on the smaller scale in terms of

955
01:11:47,005 --> 01:11:50,533
size. With. I believe it's two and a half acres,

956
01:11:50,533 --> 01:11:54,173
the subject property, as are many in the surrounding area,

957
01:11:54,173 --> 01:11:58,172
and from my perspective. If this was a much bigger

958
01:11:58,172 --> 01:12:03,353
agricultural property. With a larger buffer to the adjoining lot.

959
01:12:03,353 --> 01:12:07,313
So we would probably see a much different reaction from

960
01:12:07,313 --> 01:12:11,633
the surrounding neighbors in close proximity to the subject property

961
01:12:11,633 --> 01:12:16,297
than we are here this evening. So again, proponents done

962
01:12:16,297 --> 01:12:18,297
a great job bringing this forward, but do want to

963
01:12:18,297 --> 01:12:23,860
acknowledge. The valid concerns raised by the neighbors and the

964
01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:28,620
surrounding area. And if there's no more comments from council.

965
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,260
I'll call the question then on third reading. All in

966
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:37,276
favor and opposed? Motion carries. I'll now recess the regular.

967
01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:50,299
Council meeting. At. Call the second public hearing to order

968
01:12:50,299 --> 01:12:57,148
for zoning amendment bylaw. 40 30. 263 80. Lakes Road

969
01:12:57,148 --> 01:13:03,272
at. I'll now invite Rachel Poukesh, development planning coordinator, to

970
01:13:03,272 --> 01:13:04,032
introduce the proposal.

971
01:13:33,741 --> 01:13:36,661
Good evening, mayor and council. Thank you very much for

972
01:13:36,661 --> 01:13:40,021
having me here. I'm here to introduce zoning bylaw amendment

973
01:13:40,021 --> 01:13:44,981
application said b two seven two for number 263, 80

974
01:13:44,981 --> 01:13:53,317
Lakes Road. The proponents are Randy Westlake and Masika Allen.

975
01:13:53,317 --> 01:14:02,770
Their company name is Oak and Vine Estate. I think

976
01:14:02,770 --> 01:14:07,925
I went too far. The subject property is located off

977
01:14:07,925 --> 01:14:11,485
of Lakes Road. It is located outside of the agricultural

978
01:14:11,485 --> 01:14:15,165
land reserve. The property itself is a building strata consisting

979
01:14:15,165 --> 01:14:19,125
of two stratalots, straddleot, number. Two is the subject of

980
01:14:19,125 --> 01:14:23,727
this application. The majority of the common property area is

981
01:14:23,727 --> 01:14:28,207
for the benefit of straddleot number two. At just over

982
01:14:28,207 --> 01:14:31,818
six acres in size. What am I missing?

983
01:14:42,211 --> 01:14:50,385
That's okay. It's touchy. Okay, so this is an ortho

984
01:14:50,385 --> 01:14:54,625
photograph from 2024 of the subject property I'll. Try to

985
01:14:54,625 --> 01:15:03,044
get back to it, I swear. It's the little goblin

986
01:15:03,044 --> 01:15:07,803
inside the mouse. See if I work there. So you

987
01:15:07,803 --> 01:15:10,563
can see the actual outline of strata. Lot number two

988
01:15:10,563 --> 01:15:14,643
is outlined in red. The straddlet number one. Their neighbor

989
01:15:14,643 --> 01:15:18,243
is that one puzzle piece cutout area on the southwest

990
01:15:18,243 --> 01:15:23,765
corner of the lot. The building that's labeled. Part of

991
01:15:23,765 --> 01:15:27,085
straddleot number two and labeled as barn on the property

992
01:15:27,085 --> 01:15:31,428
is the assembly. Use building that is the subject of

993
01:15:31,428 --> 01:15:41,289
this assembly use application. The property is zoned a two,

994
01:15:41,289 --> 01:15:47,327
which. Is our rural zone, which permits agricultural use, agricultural

995
01:15:47,327 --> 01:15:52,707
buildings. Low density, single family residential uses, as well as

996
01:15:52,707 --> 01:15:58,147
some forms of commercial use such as craft distilleries kennels

997
01:15:58,147 --> 01:16:03,328
and riding stables. The proposal before council here is to

998
01:16:03,328 --> 01:16:07,768
amend the zoning bylaw to permit commercial assembly use for

999
01:16:07,768 --> 01:16:10,088
a maximum of ten events on this property, with up

1000
01:16:10,088 --> 01:16:18,556
to 80 attendees per event on an annual basis. At

1001
01:16:18,556 --> 01:16:22,641
number 263 80 Lakes Road. Accompanying the site specific zoning

1002
01:16:22,641 --> 01:16:27,856
amendment to permit commercial assembly use. Is the proposal to

1003
01:16:27,856 --> 01:16:30,696
introduce a new definition of commercial assembly use in the

1004
01:16:30,696 --> 01:16:35,567
zoning bylaw, along with associated off street parking requirements. So

1005
01:16:35,567 --> 01:16:39,607
the proposal in front of council today, following close of

1006
01:16:39,607 --> 01:16:43,967
the public hearing, is consideration of granting third reading of

1007
01:16:43,967 --> 01:16:50,320
zoning amendment bylaw number 40 30. Thank you, council. Any

1008
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,932
questions for staff? Seeing none. We'll move on to the

1009
01:16:53,932 --> 01:17:00,856
next part of this. We'll now invite the applicants, Masika

1010
01:17:00,856 --> 01:17:04,456
Allen and Randy Westlake. The opportunity to present their proposal

1011
01:17:04,456 --> 01:17:06,576
and respond to any questions from council.

1012
01:17:22,484 --> 01:17:32,199
Okay, click the button. Right side. Okay. Good evening, mayor

1013
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:34,999
and council. My name is Masika Allen and I co

1014
01:17:34,999 --> 01:17:37,759
own oak and bina. Estate at 263 80 lakes road

1015
01:17:37,759 --> 01:17:40,839
with my partner, Randy West Lake. Randy will speak after

1016
01:17:40,839 --> 01:17:43,239
me. And cover the business planning and technical side of

1017
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:47,359
our application. My role tonight is the event side. How

1018
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:49,919
this started, what this property was meant to be, and

1019
01:17:49,919 --> 01:17:53,399
what the last ten years. Have actually looked like. Thank

1020
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:56,782
you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight. In

1021
01:17:56,782 --> 01:17:59,902
2014, I intentionally set out to find a property in

1022
01:17:59,902 --> 01:18:02,502
the couch and valley that could become a wedding venue.

1023
01:18:02,502 --> 01:18:05,382
At that time, there were no properties in the valley

1024
01:18:05,382 --> 01:18:09,022
zoned for commercial assembly. Youth. Not even in the ALR.

1025
01:18:09,022 --> 01:18:12,262
The provincial regulation allowing farms to host up to ten

1026
01:18:12,262 --> 01:18:15,862
weddings per year didn't come into place until 2016. So

1027
01:18:15,862 --> 01:18:19,717
in 2004, 14 there was no clear pathway for this.

1028
01:18:19,717 --> 01:18:21,917
I looked at over 30 properties and kept hitting the

1029
01:18:21,917 --> 01:18:24,917
same wall. None of them had what a wedding needs

1030
01:18:24,917 --> 01:18:27,837
to function properly. I've worked in weddings since I was

1031
01:18:27,837 --> 01:18:31,330
20 years old. And I'd been part of over 500

1032
01:18:31,330 --> 01:18:34,530
of them across North America. I've seen everything that has

1033
01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:40,010
to work. Parking, washrooms, accessibility, kit, kitchen, power, sound, ceremony,

1034
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:44,050
flow, rain, plants, fire. Safety, guest, movement, vendor, logistics, you

1035
01:18:44,050 --> 01:18:47,330
name it. A wedding is not just a celebration. It's

1036
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:50,881
a complex moving operation. And nothing I saw in the

1037
01:18:50,881 --> 01:18:54,735
valley could do it properly. Than for Galandius. I was

1038
01:18:54,735 --> 01:18:58,730
starting to feel defeated. Beyond logistics. I want to see

1039
01:18:58,730 --> 01:19:02,650
something personal. I do genuinely love weddings. This has never

1040
01:19:02,650 --> 01:19:05,570
been just a business for me. I'm on site for

1041
01:19:05,570 --> 01:19:09,530
every wedding held at Oakland Estate. Either photographing it myself

1042
01:19:09,530 --> 01:19:12,570
or overseeing the entire day. There is never a wedding

1043
01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:14,610
on our property that I am not personally present for.

1044
01:19:16,051 --> 01:19:18,091
These couples are trusting me with one of the most

1045
01:19:18,091 --> 01:19:20,771
important days of their lives, and I take that responsibility

1046
01:19:20,771 --> 01:19:21,131
seriously.

1047
01:19:32,777 --> 01:19:37,882
That's okay. After almost a year feeling defeated. A realtor

1048
01:19:37,882 --> 01:19:40,842
called and said I have the perfect property for you.

1049
01:19:40,842 --> 01:19:44,122
They took us to what? Was then 22 Oaks winery.

1050
01:19:44,122 --> 01:19:46,802
It was exactly what I had been searching for. Beautiful

1051
01:19:46,802 --> 01:19:49,642
grounds, an existing barn that could be converted into a

1052
01:19:49,642 --> 01:19:53,602
reception space, a space for getting ready and existing parking

1053
01:19:53,602 --> 01:19:57,805
lots. And most importantly, it had already operated as a

1054
01:19:57,805 --> 01:20:00,525
winery, open to the public almost daily, and had already

1055
01:20:00,525 --> 01:20:03,885
hosted events and even some weddings. What I wanted to

1056
01:20:03,885 --> 01:20:07,685
do was actually less impactful than how it had previously

1057
01:20:07,685 --> 01:20:10,805
operated. When we moved into the neighborhood, I wanted a

1058
01:20:10,805 --> 01:20:13,925
way to connect with neighbors and get feedback about applying

1059
01:20:13,925 --> 01:20:16,677
for an event permit. There was no neighborhood form at

1060
01:20:16,677 --> 01:20:20,336
the time, so I created one on Facebook. It should

1061
01:20:20,336 --> 01:20:24,256
go to it. That group now has over 1500 members.

1062
01:20:28,820 --> 01:20:37,236
Try again. Here we go. It now has over 1500

1063
01:20:37,236 --> 01:20:44,237
members. Where was I? Okay. And is used daily for

1064
01:20:44,237 --> 01:20:47,717
neighborhood information and community updates by everyone in the neighborhood.

1065
01:20:50,549 --> 01:20:52,709
I posted asking for feedback about applying for a temporary

1066
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:55,229
use permit for weddings, and I received a ton of

1067
01:20:55,229 --> 01:20:58,109
support. Most neighbors were happy the property would be put

1068
01:20:58,109 --> 01:21:01,549
back into use after the winery closed. Majority of my

1069
01:21:01,549 --> 01:21:05,749
property line neighbors were also in support. In 2018, we

1070
01:21:05,749 --> 01:21:08,909
applied for our first temporary use permit and were granted

1071
01:21:08,909 --> 01:21:13,532
14 events per year of up to 120 people. You

1072
01:21:13,532 --> 01:21:20,060
have to do it twice. The first nine months were

1073
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:24,140
spent converting the barn into a legal assembly use occupancy.

1074
01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:26,260
We work directly with the municipality every step of the

1075
01:21:26,260 --> 01:21:36,170
way. There we go. We met fire code, assembly requirements

1076
01:21:36,170 --> 01:21:42,378
and accessibility, and we extensively soundproof the barn. In July

1077
01:21:42,378 --> 01:21:46,098
of 2019, we held our first wedding. You can see

1078
01:21:46,098 --> 01:21:50,294
after the barn. Our first wedding was for my brother

1079
01:21:50,294 --> 01:21:53,534
and his now wife. We used it to test operations.

1080
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:02,160
It went flawlessly with no neighbor complaints. In fact, I

1081
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,240
even left my own brother's wedding to drive around and

1082
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,280
knock on doors. Asking if anyone could hear anything. I

1083
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,680
also took a decibel reader with me to Woodland. Drive

1084
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,520
and could not hear the wedding. And this was a

1085
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:22,621
90 person wedding. We held. 290 person weddings that summer,

1086
01:22:22,621 --> 01:22:26,141
again with no complaints. The rest were scheduled for 2020.

1087
01:22:26,141 --> 01:22:30,421
And we are excited after such a successful first season.

1088
01:22:30,421 --> 01:22:34,301
Then in March of 2020, everything shut down. I had

1089
01:22:34,301 --> 01:22:37,941
about 25 brides calling, crying because their weddings were canceled,

1090
01:22:37,941 --> 01:22:41,526
postponed or reduced into something they never wanted. Between. Weddings

1091
01:22:41,526 --> 01:22:43,966
at the estate. Canceling and weddings I was contracted to

1092
01:22:43,966 --> 01:22:47,446
photograph. Canceling. I lost all of my income while also

1093
01:22:47,446 --> 01:22:50,526
carrying the emotional weight of couples whose plans had collapsed

1094
01:22:50,526 --> 01:22:52,726
at the same time, we were unsure if our permit

1095
01:22:52,726 --> 01:22:55,006
would even be renewed, and whether all the work and

1096
01:22:55,006 --> 01:22:56,966
investment we'd put into the property was about to be

1097
01:22:56,966 --> 01:23:01,815
lost. It was the most stressful and emotionally exhausting period

1098
01:23:01,815 --> 01:23:05,215
of my entire life. Some weddings did go ahead in

1099
01:23:05,215 --> 01:23:08,375
2020, but provincial health orders required for all events to

1100
01:23:08,375 --> 01:23:13,662
be outdoors. Even though we had built a soundproof barn

1101
01:23:13,662 --> 01:23:17,142
specifically to contain noise, we weren't even allowed to use

1102
01:23:17,142 --> 01:23:23,167
it. In October of 2020. Our temporary youth permit was

1103
01:23:23,167 --> 01:23:32,620
renewed. There we go. The same thing happened again in

1104
01:23:32,620 --> 01:23:37,753
2021. We had to have open air weddings, outdoor music.

1105
01:23:39,541 --> 01:23:42,880
With no sound containment. That's the one we're supposed to

1106
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:52,810
be on. Yeah. Despite explaining to neighbors that this

1107
01:23:52,810 --> 01:23:56,970
was not how we intended to operate, some neighbors were

1108
01:23:56,970 --> 01:24:00,370
understandably not happy. My hands were tied as we were

1109
01:24:00,370 --> 01:24:03,450
required to follow provincial regulations. You could see here. The

1110
01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:06,884
posts that I put up explaining. I did not want

1111
01:24:06,884 --> 01:24:12,612
tables and dancing to be outdoors. Covid financially drained us

1112
01:24:12,612 --> 01:24:15,692
and ruined our business. We had to refund most couples.

1113
01:24:15,692 --> 01:24:17,892
We did. Not come close to recovering our investment like

1114
01:24:17,892 --> 01:24:21,332
the 14 full weddings would have done if the pandemic

1115
01:24:21,332 --> 01:24:23,172
hadn't taken place and they had been able to go

1116
01:24:23,172 --> 01:24:26,812
forward from my original permit. And I share this not

1117
01:24:26,812 --> 01:24:29,452
for sympathy, but to show you how long we have

1118
01:24:29,452 --> 01:24:33,074
worked. Through the hardest possible conditions to reach this point.

1119
01:24:34,795 --> 01:24:37,315
After our temporary permit ended, we made a clear decision.

1120
01:24:39,386 --> 01:24:42,586
And for the past four summers, we have not hosted

1121
01:24:42,586 --> 01:24:46,346
a single wedding here, even though we receive hundreds of

1122
01:24:46,346 --> 01:24:50,026
inquiries. We said no to every single one because we

1123
01:24:50,026 --> 01:24:53,626
feel the rules matter. We would not operate without permission.

1124
01:24:53,626 --> 01:24:57,186
And that choice has cost us enormously, but it reflects

1125
01:24:57,186 --> 01:25:00,641
who we are. And how seriously we take comp. Compliance.

1126
01:25:00,842 --> 01:25:03,725
On the next one. Here is what a real wedding

1127
01:25:03,725 --> 01:25:06,365
day. It'll combine estate looks like on Friday at 03:00.

1128
01:25:06,365 --> 01:25:11,197
P.m. the couple checks into our bed and breakfast. Which

1129
01:25:11,197 --> 01:25:19,978
will come up eventually. Next one. You can see the

1130
01:25:19,978 --> 01:25:29,496
bed and breakfast there. I apologize. That's okay. So they

1131
01:25:29,496 --> 01:25:34,121
do check in at three. And then that evening, the

1132
01:25:34,121 --> 01:25:37,601
bridal party will come, show up and rehearse the ceremony.

1133
01:25:37,601 --> 01:25:40,801
Timing on our ceremony space, which is the next slide.

1134
01:25:43,877 --> 01:25:52,136
Saturday morning. So the couple then stay overnight and Saturday

1135
01:25:52,136 --> 01:25:55,849
boarding, hair and makeup begins. And the bed of breakfast.

1136
01:25:57,534 --> 01:26:00,734
Florists and planners then arrive to decorate. The ceremony is

1137
01:26:00,734 --> 01:26:05,680
at 03:00 p.m. with guests arriving around 230. Next slide.

1138
01:26:06,783 --> 01:26:10,103
The ceremony will last about 25 minutes, and then the

1139
01:26:10,103 --> 01:26:12,943
guests move from the ceremony space up until to the

1140
01:26:12,943 --> 01:26:22,881
cocktail area. That's good. The cocktail hour runs until about

1141
01:26:22,881 --> 01:26:26,481
530. Dinner and speeches run from six to eight. Music

1142
01:26:26,481 --> 01:26:29,361
starts after that at 09:00 p.m. the barn door is

1143
01:26:29,361 --> 01:26:33,001
closed at 11:00 p.m. music ends by 1130. All guests

1144
01:26:33,001 --> 01:26:37,121
are shuttled home. We take neighbor. Concerns seriously. We have

1145
01:26:37,121 --> 01:26:40,041
built a fully soundproof barn. Doors close at 09:00 p.m.

1146
01:26:40,041 --> 01:26:43,475
subwoofers are not allowed. We enforce strict decibel limits with

1147
01:26:43,475 --> 01:26:48,875
real time decibel monitoring, and our operations are regulated, too.

1148
01:26:48,875 --> 01:26:51,755
We require every couple to hire a professional wedding planner.

1149
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:59,055
The last slide showed. The timeline that. They are the

1150
01:26:59,055 --> 01:27:02,255
wedding planners will put together. We require the same caterer

1151
01:27:02,255 --> 01:27:06,700
for every wedding. Every couple signs illegally binding agreement. Special

1152
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:10,340
event. Liquor licenses and insurance are required. Serving it right

1153
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:13,180
is enforced. And because of this, there have been no

1154
01:27:13,180 --> 01:27:17,699
noise, bylaw, infractions from our past. Operations. We currently have

1155
01:27:17,699 --> 01:27:22,579
a community petition with 1750 signatures in support of this

1156
01:27:22,579 --> 01:27:29,541
application. The next slide. Notably. Nine of these signatures are

1157
01:27:29,541 --> 01:27:33,141
from our direct property line neighbors. These neighbors are the

1158
01:27:33,141 --> 01:27:36,221
closest residences to the event venue, with three of the

1159
01:27:36,221 --> 01:27:40,541
homes located approximately 60 meters from the reception space. Our

1160
01:27:40,541 --> 01:27:43,381
strata neighbors share our driveway and their home is surrounded

1161
01:27:43,381 --> 01:27:46,381
by our property. All have expressed full support for our

1162
01:27:46,381 --> 01:27:50,892
business operating permanently. Based on their direct lived experience of

1163
01:27:50,892 --> 01:27:54,332
events taking place on the property, even during the open

1164
01:27:54,332 --> 01:27:57,732
air weddings. They have indicated that we have put appropriate

1165
01:27:57,732 --> 01:28:00,612
procedures in place for sound mitigation and that events did

1166
01:28:00,612 --> 01:28:03,772
not negatively impact their enjoyment of their properties or cause

1167
01:28:03,772 --> 01:28:07,733
disturbance. There are also full support from neighbors who aren't

1168
01:28:07,733 --> 01:28:10,293
just direct but live. Two or three homes away. But

1169
01:28:10,293 --> 01:28:12,773
I do want to mention that these are all large

1170
01:28:12,773 --> 01:28:17,146
acreages. So we don't actually really have very many close

1171
01:28:17,146 --> 01:28:19,906
neighbors in proximity to the right and. Left because they

1172
01:28:19,906 --> 01:28:23,769
are so large, but. They are also in support, and

1173
01:28:23,769 --> 01:28:27,573
all of that really matters. During the last meeting, our

1174
01:28:27,573 --> 01:28:29,693
venue was compared to others in the valley, and I'd

1175
01:28:29,693 --> 01:28:32,453
like to address that birds I cove Farm is 300

1176
01:28:32,453 --> 01:28:35,293
acres and is permitted 30 events per year with up

1177
01:28:35,293 --> 01:28:39,133
to 150 people. Maple Grove guest House is 20 acres

1178
01:28:39,133 --> 01:28:41,493
and is permitted 14 events per year. With up to

1179
01:28:41,493 --> 01:28:45,453
125 people with overnight camping, and it is an open

1180
01:28:45,453 --> 01:28:48,225
air venue. We are on a smaller parcel of land,

1181
01:28:48,225 --> 01:28:50,945
which is why our request is much more modest. We

1182
01:28:50,945 --> 01:28:53,425
are asking for only ten events a year. Only 80

1183
01:28:53,425 --> 01:28:56,705
guests. Our music is contained inside a soundproof. Barn. We

1184
01:28:56,705 --> 01:29:00,145
have strict end times. The closest comparison for a venue

1185
01:29:00,145 --> 01:29:04,418
is actually right here. In our own neighborhood. And that's

1186
01:29:04,418 --> 01:29:06,738
the Duncan Community Lodge on Moose Road. It's only 2

1187
01:29:06,738 --> 01:29:09,898
km from our home. It operates on eight acres. We

1188
01:29:09,898 --> 01:29:12,578
are six in a more densely populated area than we

1189
01:29:12,578 --> 01:29:16,647
are in an older building that is not soundproofed. They

1190
01:29:16,647 --> 01:29:20,567
are permitted unlimited events per year with up to 125

1191
01:29:20,567 --> 01:29:24,527
guests. I have photographed many weddings there my best friend

1192
01:29:24,527 --> 01:29:27,727
and my sister were married there. I've witnessed doors open

1193
01:29:27,727 --> 01:29:30,887
with loud music. Until midnight, and I did speak to

1194
01:29:30,887 --> 01:29:33,207
the residents in that area, and all of them have

1195
01:29:33,207 --> 01:29:36,544
no complaints. Their only complaints were that sometimes when there's

1196
01:29:36,544 --> 01:29:39,344
big, big events, cars can go out onto the street

1197
01:29:39,344 --> 01:29:41,384
because they don't have full appropriate parking, and we do

1198
01:29:41,384 --> 01:29:43,544
not have that problem. All of our parking is on

1199
01:29:43,544 --> 01:29:48,104
site, so treating our small, tightly regulated venue as disruptive

1200
01:29:48,104 --> 01:29:51,984
feels inconsistent compared to what already exists peacefully in our

1201
01:29:51,984 --> 01:29:56,678
own neighborhood. I've also. Heard the suggestion that weddings don't

1202
01:29:56,678 --> 01:30:00,158
belong in rural areas. If not rural areas, then where?

1203
01:30:00,158 --> 01:30:03,158
Because couples today are not looking for windowless halls or

1204
01:30:03,158 --> 01:30:07,946
industrial parks. They want beauty, landscape and an experience. Since

1205
01:30:07,946 --> 01:30:12,066
Covid weddings are smaller, more intentional and more calm. And

1206
01:30:12,066 --> 01:30:15,746
that is exactly what our property was built for way

1207
01:30:15,746 --> 01:30:19,476
back. In 2007, when it was being built for a

1208
01:30:19,476 --> 01:30:23,253
winery. Oak and estate is not a nightclub. It is

1209
01:30:23,253 --> 01:30:26,173
the vineyard, hosting a very limited number of carefully managed

1210
01:30:26,173 --> 01:30:30,636
gatherings. Next slide. This is the examples of the rural

1211
01:30:30,636 --> 01:30:38,821
beauty of our property that you can see. When I

1212
01:30:38,821 --> 01:30:41,581
look back at this journey from 2014 to building this

1213
01:30:41,581 --> 01:30:45,701
properly, to losing everything during Covid to turning away couples

1214
01:30:45,701 --> 01:30:49,141
for four straight summers because the rules matter. What stands

1215
01:30:49,141 --> 01:30:51,421
out is that we have stayed committed to doing this

1216
01:30:51,421 --> 01:30:55,554
the right way the whole time. We have listened, we

1217
01:30:55,554 --> 01:30:58,994
have adapted, we have invested, we have complied, and we

1218
01:30:58,994 --> 01:31:02,196
have. Waited. We are not asking to change the character

1219
01:31:02,196 --> 01:31:05,516
of this area. We are not asking for anything. Excessive.

1220
01:31:05,516 --> 01:31:08,276
We are asking for permission to operate a small, carefully

1221
01:31:08,276 --> 01:31:13,036
regulated, sound contained and community supported venue. The one that

1222
01:31:13,036 --> 01:31:16,341
we set out to build ten years ago. And one

1223
01:31:16,341 --> 01:31:18,821
that we have already proven that we can run responsibly

1224
01:31:18,821 --> 01:31:22,273
in normal times. This property has always been meant to

1225
01:31:22,273 --> 01:31:25,193
be a place where people come together for something meaningful

1226
01:31:25,193 --> 01:31:26,753
and all we are asking for now is a fair

1227
01:31:26,753 --> 01:31:29,473
and reasonable path forward to finally let it be. That

1228
01:31:29,473 --> 01:31:32,233
place again. Thank you so much for listening, for your

1229
01:31:32,233 --> 01:31:35,193
time, your consideration, and for hearing our story, and I'll

1230
01:31:35,193 --> 01:31:39,127
pass the rest over to Randy. Thanks, Masika.

1231
01:31:59,425 --> 01:32:02,008
I'll be quick, guys. We'll try.

1232
01:32:13,646 --> 01:32:17,646
Mayor, I wanted to apologize to council for the problem

1233
01:32:17,646 --> 01:32:21,686
and for the applicant with the mouse we tried changing

1234
01:32:21,686 --> 01:32:27,111
the clicker out because. We were having issues with it,

1235
01:32:27,111 --> 01:32:29,631
so we tried the mouse, and now, obviously, this is

1236
01:32:29,631 --> 01:32:33,212
being a problem, so I apologize to everyone. So you're

1237
01:32:33,212 --> 01:32:39,520
saying one click. Okay. All right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

1238
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,880
Council, council staff and neighbors. My name is Randy Weslake.

1239
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,640
I'm the other half. Vulcan vine estate. As you have

1240
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,040
heard, Masika's years of wedding industry. Experience, and I have

1241
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:51,960
been a small town business person for a decade and

1242
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:56,380
a half. My first topic is economic benefit. Oak and

1243
01:32:56,380 --> 01:32:58,820
vine has the potential to bring in over a million.

1244
01:32:58,820 --> 01:33:02,580
Dollars in economic spinoff with just ten events. The above

1245
01:33:02,580 --> 01:33:06,500
chart shows a typical wedding would support local landscapers, irrigation

1246
01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:14,141
experts, viticulturists, wedding planners, equipment rentals photo videographers DJ. Barr

1247
01:33:14,141 --> 01:33:20,221
florist decor, catering, food services, transportation, accommodation and spinoff grape

1248
01:33:20,221 --> 01:33:23,761
and lavender products. If you look around, quite a few

1249
01:33:23,761 --> 01:33:26,601
of these people are in the audience tonight. The approval

1250
01:33:26,601 --> 01:33:29,041
of the zoning amendment could bring some much needed positive

1251
01:33:29,041 --> 01:33:31,681
impact to the local economy. When we do have real

1252
01:33:31,681 --> 01:33:35,885
world. Detractors like Croft and mill closing down at this

1253
01:33:35,885 --> 01:33:39,383
very moment. I would like to share a few slides

1254
01:33:39,383 --> 01:33:41,623
that will give you visual of the measures we have.

1255
01:33:41,623 --> 01:33:44,703
Taken to help respect our direct neighbor's privacy and concerns.

1256
01:33:48,697 --> 01:33:51,417
In our front ceremony area. We have 130 foot mature

1257
01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:54,777
cedar hedges that adjoin the property. Line to help give

1258
01:33:54,777 --> 01:33:59,318
the neighboring vineyard privacy during their busy farm season. Next

1259
01:33:59,318 --> 01:34:02,158
is a frontal view that shows the binds and surround

1260
01:34:02,158 --> 01:34:07,929
greenery. Do fill in quite nicely and do a great

1261
01:34:07,929 --> 01:34:10,209
job at helping stop any direct line of sights. To

1262
01:34:10,209 --> 01:34:20,009
adjoining neighbors properties if it would just go ahead. Okay.

1263
01:34:22,623 --> 01:34:24,423
It was said in one of our letters of opposition

1264
01:34:24,423 --> 01:34:26,743
that patrons could be seen smoking in the back, and

1265
01:34:26,743 --> 01:34:29,263
it was a fire hazard. We do have a designated

1266
01:34:29,263 --> 01:34:32,143
smoking area that is concrete, but. Also mature hedges in

1267
01:34:32,143 --> 01:34:34,943
the back that are 14ft tall, very thick and give

1268
01:34:34,943 --> 01:34:38,703
our direct property line neighbors visual privacy. It would be

1269
01:34:38,703 --> 01:34:41,063
very difficult for a neighbor to see anyone through these

1270
01:34:41,063 --> 01:34:50,456
hedges. Oh, boy. Next up is our main parking lot.

1271
01:34:50,456 --> 01:34:52,976
We re graveled as the parking lot was constructed back

1272
01:34:52,976 --> 01:34:55,816
in the 22 oak days. The previous fence was poorly

1273
01:34:55,816 --> 01:34:59,816
constructed and rotted. We installed new concrete bases recreated roughly

1274
01:34:59,816 --> 01:35:02,536
200ft of privacy fence to stop anything in the parking

1275
01:35:02,536 --> 01:35:05,136
lot to be a distraction from the vehicles traveling on

1276
01:35:05,136 --> 01:35:11,538
Lakes Road. Just note, we did not remove any vines

1277
01:35:11,538 --> 01:35:14,738
and upkeep of this lot, only transplanted vines from the

1278
01:35:14,738 --> 01:35:18,729
back to help fill in for the year. Our overflow

1279
01:35:18,729 --> 01:35:21,929
parking lot has another 200ft of newly installed privacy fence.

1280
01:35:21,929 --> 01:35:24,929
As our neighbor said, activity in this area was real

1281
01:35:24,929 --> 01:35:30,441
disruption to them. We tried to take into account. There

1282
01:35:30,441 --> 01:35:33,081
will also be 400 additional lavender plants going in here

1283
01:35:33,081 --> 01:35:36,688
as well. A few of the opposed neighbors expressed concerns

1284
01:35:36,688 --> 01:35:44,318
over event administration. We have a solid process to control.

1285
01:35:44,318 --> 01:35:47,718
The following concerns. Video proof of start, end of the

1286
01:35:47,718 --> 01:35:57,655
events. Digital decibel readers with event

1287
01:35:57,655 --> 01:36:00,615
data logging and real time monitoring. All monitors are connected

1288
01:36:00,615 --> 01:36:02,455
to Wifi and give us real time data to work

1289
01:36:02,455 --> 01:36:05,655
through any issues if they happen to arise. Photo proof

1290
01:36:05,655 --> 01:36:08,495
that no parking took place on Lakes Road in standope

1291
01:36:08,495 --> 01:36:11,135
and hard events shut down at 11:00 p.m. goal is

1292
01:36:11,135 --> 01:36:16,177
to have vendors gone by 1130. Going to go through

1293
01:36:16,177 --> 01:36:19,497
that. This is my favorite slide. We have a local

1294
01:36:19,497 --> 01:36:22,257
resident, Gordon the Rooster. He's a great example that all

1295
01:36:22,257 --> 01:36:25,297
neighbors should try and make concessions to work together when

1296
01:36:25,297 --> 01:36:28,697
living in close proximity. Gordon lets us know he is

1297
01:36:28,697 --> 01:36:32,297
there all day, every day. And his friend? We are

1298
01:36:32,297 --> 01:36:38,063
asking. For the same reasonable tolerances for a handful of

1299
01:36:38,063 --> 01:36:41,263
events each year. We understand that we moved beside an

1300
01:36:41,263 --> 01:36:44,663
active hobby farm, but we need our neighbors to see

1301
01:36:44,663 --> 01:36:46,903
that they moved beside a property. That had a valid

1302
01:36:46,903 --> 01:36:49,983
tup to host weddings the day they moved in. In

1303
01:36:49,983 --> 01:36:59,121
2019, it's. Just about finding balance. Okay.

1304
01:37:02,855 --> 01:37:05,215
I want to share our parking plan. Yes. That's proof

1305
01:37:05,215 --> 01:37:07,535
we do own a four person. Golf cart, and you

1306
01:37:07,535 --> 01:37:09,815
can see their slinky, the dashbound out for a ride

1307
01:37:09,815 --> 01:37:13,215
with me. We figure most guests will arrive between 215

1308
01:37:13,215 --> 01:37:17,415
and 245. We have had multiple parking attendants on site.

1309
01:37:17,415 --> 01:37:23,209
Keep vehicles flowing. So turning queues or minim. Minimize clear

1310
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:25,609
direction and signage and use of golf carts to transport

1311
01:37:25,609 --> 01:37:27,889
people to and from the parking lot to the venue

1312
01:37:27,889 --> 01:37:29,569
on a hot day. I'm sure they're welcomed, but the

1313
01:37:29,569 --> 01:37:30,609
way this is going, I'm going, I'm going to skip

1314
01:37:30,609 --> 01:37:33,289
all this stuff and. I'd like to just go to

1315
01:37:33,289 --> 01:37:40,750
the road widening. Sorry.

1316
01:37:47,382 --> 01:37:50,582
One of the asks was north Couchin asked about us

1317
01:37:50,582 --> 01:37:52,902
to do a road widening with addition. Of a bypass

1318
01:37:52,902 --> 01:37:55,902
lane for people turning left into the venue. We hired

1319
01:37:55,902 --> 01:37:58,502
Macaleni as our independent engineer. They came up with some

1320
01:37:58,502 --> 01:38:06,005
key findings that I would share throughout the presentation. North

1321
01:38:06,005 --> 01:38:08,925
Couch and Zenzie engineer did their study based on 80

1322
01:38:08,925 --> 01:38:14,713
attendees on an occupancy factor. Of 2.0 in a vehicle,

1323
01:38:14,713 --> 01:38:19,327
resulting in approximately 40 vehicles impound. Where we disagree is

1324
01:38:19,327 --> 01:38:21,447
we do not believe 80% of the traffic will come

1325
01:38:21,447 --> 01:38:24,007
from the south. Because the Duncan corridor is busy during

1326
01:38:24,007 --> 01:38:27,727
the summer months, most travelers will avoid this if possible,

1327
01:38:27,727 --> 01:38:29,967
and is quicker and more scenic to arrive from Herd

1328
01:38:29,967 --> 01:38:38,922
Road in the best western. Yeah. This is terrible.

1329
01:38:40,856 --> 01:38:44,056
Onto traffic math. Okay. We feel there were some key

1330
01:38:44,056 --> 01:38:47,256
items overlooked in both studies regarding the traffic math we

1331
01:38:47,256 --> 01:38:50,616
agree on an 80 person wedding should realistically generate 40

1332
01:38:50,616 --> 01:38:54,016
vehicles. But an average wedding party size of twelve people

1333
01:38:54,016 --> 01:38:57,336
would then leave us 32 vehicles arriving because the wedding

1334
01:38:57,336 --> 01:39:02,145
party would arrive. Early at staggered times. The traffic engineers

1335
01:39:02,145 --> 01:39:04,825
did not do the calculations. At a less peak time

1336
01:39:04,825 --> 01:39:08,425
of 215 to 245, when the guests arrive. That would

1337
01:39:08,425 --> 01:39:12,145
cut the northbound and southbound traffic in half, according to

1338
01:39:12,145 --> 01:39:16,986
the traffic study. That North Couchen supplied. This would also

1339
01:39:16,986 --> 01:39:20,106
have drastically changed the plots on the Mahdi left turn

1340
01:39:20,106 --> 01:39:23,186
warrant graft and then the left turn wouldn't be warranted.

1341
01:39:25,081 --> 01:39:28,521
And in the kelk we fill 50% to 60% would

1342
01:39:28,521 --> 01:39:31,921
arrive from the north, not. Turning left, giving us a

1343
01:39:31,921 --> 01:39:35,721
realistic left turn vehicle count of 13 to 16. Vehicles

1344
01:39:35,721 --> 01:39:39,321
turning within a 30 minutes period. That is zero zero.

1345
01:39:39,321 --> 01:39:42,521
Three of the daily 500 vehicles that travel the road

1346
01:39:42,521 --> 01:39:47,822
currently. Macklehaney and MMC both use synchro software to evaluate

1347
01:39:47,822 --> 01:39:51,382
situations like this. McElaney published in the report. With 80

1348
01:39:51,382 --> 01:39:55,822
vehicles arriving, not the realistic 13 to 16 northbound delays

1349
01:39:55,822 --> 01:39:59,403
would be only a few seconds. And cues would be

1350
01:39:59,403 --> 01:40:02,043
less than one vehicle. This alone should give us enough

1351
01:40:02,043 --> 01:40:05,723
room to grow to MMC's 2040 transportation target in their

1352
01:40:05,723 --> 01:40:14,179
memo. There's the study. Much busier. Places like Trillium Terrace

1353
01:40:14,179 --> 01:40:16,459
and couch and rugby club are good examples that do

1354
01:40:16,459 --> 01:40:18,899
not have left turning lanes at this time. The last

1355
01:40:18,899 --> 01:40:23,352
two points I have on traffic. Are the site where

1356
01:40:23,352 --> 01:40:27,352
MMC would like to widen does have mature Gary Oaks

1357
01:40:27,352 --> 01:40:32,557
currently bordering the road shoulder. And the 2024 master traffic

1358
01:40:32,557 --> 01:40:35,237
Plan states Lake Road is slated to have multi use

1359
01:40:35,237 --> 01:40:38,923
pathway. Constructed in the coming years. Does it make sense

1360
01:40:38,923 --> 01:40:41,003
to widen the road now with all this coming? In

1361
01:40:41,003 --> 01:40:45,989
the near future and negligible weight cues. Macklehaney gave us

1362
01:40:45,989 --> 01:40:49,109
cost analysis to do the road widening at $30,000. In

1363
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:53,269
professional services and approximately 70 to 90,000 in construction costs.

1364
01:40:56,251 --> 01:40:59,131
Their reports suggest minimal northbound delays and queues without the

1365
01:40:59,131 --> 01:41:02,291
addition of a left turn Lane, suggesting that the existing

1366
01:41:02,291 --> 01:41:06,771
configuration is sufficient, especially considering the study was done conservatively

1367
01:41:06,771 --> 01:41:09,251
with the full 80 vehicles at the event and peak

1368
01:41:09,251 --> 01:41:13,132
traffic times. I think this is going to be painful

1369
01:41:13,132 --> 01:41:14,452
for everybody, so I'm just going to go. To my

1370
01:41:14,452 --> 01:41:16,772
last slide, Mr. West, if you need a bit more

1371
01:41:16,772 --> 01:41:19,092
time to. If you miss any. Slides? Oh, there's a

1372
01:41:19,092 --> 01:41:28,146
ton, but there's. This doesn't work. Apologies for that. Yeah,

1373
01:41:28,146 --> 01:41:33,465
it's okay. But before concluding all this, I'd like to

1374
01:41:33,465 --> 01:41:37,385
sincerely thank staff for their time, care and professionalism they

1375
01:41:37,385 --> 01:41:41,457
brought to this application. The report before council is thorough,

1376
01:41:41,457 --> 01:41:46,137
well reasoned, clearly reflects a significant amount of work you

1377
01:41:46,137 --> 01:41:48,817
would almost think that this was an application for 100

1378
01:41:48,817 --> 01:41:53,030
unit development. Staff went over and above and responding to

1379
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:55,630
last minute questions and issues. They did this in a

1380
01:41:55,630 --> 01:41:59,070
thorough and professional manner. We generally appreciate the effort that

1381
01:41:59,070 --> 01:42:02,217
went into preparing the file report. And I just have

1382
01:42:02,217 --> 01:42:05,895
one last thing to say. I want to say, for

1383
01:42:05,895 --> 01:42:09,375
me, rural character does not mean silence. Instead, my experience

1384
01:42:09,375 --> 01:42:12,055
moving here two years ago is included daily use of

1385
01:42:12,055 --> 01:42:15,935
leap blowers, farm tractors. Gordon the rooster wake up calls.

1386
01:42:15,935 --> 01:42:18,935
Float play in practicing 20 takeoffs and landings a day.

1387
01:42:18,935 --> 01:42:26,797
Dirt bikes, wood chippers, traffic. Noise the Forest Discovery center

1388
01:42:26,797 --> 01:42:30,517
train background lawn mowing late into the summer days. But

1389
01:42:30,517 --> 01:42:33,557
more importantly it's people using their properties as they intended

1390
01:42:33,557 --> 01:42:36,999
and enjoying the beautiful place we call home. That's all

1391
01:42:36,999 --> 01:42:40,657
it got. If you need a moment to go over

1392
01:42:40,657 --> 01:42:43,497
any other slides, just recognize in the problem from outside.

1393
01:42:45,634 --> 01:42:48,304
This just doesn't work for this. My presentation is slide

1394
01:42:48,304 --> 01:42:57,304
based. That's all I have. Thank you. Thanks. So we

1395
01:42:57,304 --> 01:43:00,624
will turn to public input, but similar. To the last

1396
01:43:00,624 --> 01:43:02,544
applicant. You will have a chance to come up to

1397
01:43:02,544 --> 01:43:09,993
respond. Any comments that's? Okay. Thanks. All right, so I'll

1398
01:43:09,993 --> 01:43:12,353
now invite the corporate officer to provide a summary of

1399
01:43:12,353 --> 01:43:20,114
the correspondence. Received and published in tonight's agenda. Oh, of

1400
01:43:20,114 --> 01:43:27,535
course. Yeah. Mr. Westlake and Miss Allen have come back

1401
01:43:27,535 --> 01:43:31,156
up to the podium. Sounds. Accountant. I have some questions

1402
01:43:31,156 --> 01:43:35,177
for you. Councilor Finley or Sash. Did you have any

1403
01:43:35,177 --> 01:43:41,028
questions? Clarification from staff at this time as well, correct?

1404
01:43:41,028 --> 01:43:45,144
Yeah, I believe so, yeah. That was one of the

1405
01:43:45,144 --> 01:43:47,344
slides we missed, and I saw it scanned in there,

1406
01:43:47,344 --> 01:43:52,433
of course. Counsel. Those attending weren't privy to the slideshow,

1407
01:43:52,433 --> 01:43:54,593
but some of the things that went by council has

1408
01:43:54,593 --> 01:43:56,833
been privy to a lot of emails and documents going

1409
01:43:56,833 --> 01:44:01,648
back and forth. I just wanted some clarity from staff

1410
01:44:01,648 --> 01:44:07,080
and then from yourselves. On. I understand. You're speaking against

1411
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:10,520
the widening but not the turn lanes. I just clarity

1412
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,400
from what staff. Was requesting. And from what you were

1413
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:17,301
explaining as well, The turn lanes directly in front of

1414
01:44:17,301 --> 01:44:21,295
your property. Like the shoulder widening, the approaches. You're not

1415
01:44:21,295 --> 01:44:24,815
against that for just. We're against. Both. So our traffic

1416
01:44:24,815 --> 01:44:28,175
study showed that there was no warrant for any type

1417
01:44:28,175 --> 01:44:33,186
of traffic improvements. Okay, thanks for that clarification. And then

1418
01:44:33,186 --> 01:44:38,238
my second would be. To in your scheduling of the

1419
01:44:38,238 --> 01:44:42,362
ten events. Did you have any provisions? Because it didn't

1420
01:44:42,362 --> 01:44:47,263
show in the report on the ten events. Would there

1421
01:44:47,263 --> 01:44:51,478
be breakups through the summer months? Because. Just would you

1422
01:44:51,478 --> 01:44:53,798
be expecting to have eight events in a row for

1423
01:44:53,798 --> 01:44:56,798
no break for any of the neighbors? No, because it's

1424
01:44:56,798 --> 01:45:02,506
too much work. I can appreciate that. Yeah. No. So

1425
01:45:02,506 --> 01:45:07,254
wedding season generally is May through October. So that's six

1426
01:45:07,254 --> 01:45:09,134
months of the year. It is a long time. So

1427
01:45:09,134 --> 01:45:12,134
it's. Not like weddings are just June, July, August and

1428
01:45:12,134 --> 01:45:15,374
September. They do get spread out when I am booking

1429
01:45:15,374 --> 01:45:18,774
weddings, I typically want to give us a week in

1430
01:45:18,774 --> 01:45:21,094
between, like a weekend in between, so. It's every second

1431
01:45:21,094 --> 01:45:26,237
weekend. But also. We don't know how it goes, but

1432
01:45:26,237 --> 01:45:28,877
I don't. Typically, just because of the work for ourselves,

1433
01:45:28,877 --> 01:45:31,157
and also because I still photograph weddings, so I do

1434
01:45:31,157 --> 01:45:33,757
need to have weekends in between that are rest so

1435
01:45:33,757 --> 01:45:37,992
that I can go off site to shoot weddings. So.

1436
01:45:37,992 --> 01:45:40,232
No. There could be a time here or there that

1437
01:45:40,232 --> 01:45:43,512
they might be just because of date. Conflicts with other

1438
01:45:43,512 --> 01:45:47,352
vendors that it could maybe be one after another, but

1439
01:45:47,352 --> 01:45:49,632
that's not our intent or what we want to do.

1440
01:45:51,403 --> 01:45:53,403
And follow up to that. I don't know if it's

1441
01:45:53,403 --> 01:45:58,123
the staff or again. The proponent's response needed here is.

1442
01:45:58,123 --> 01:46:00,883
Would that be something that you'd be open? To wording.

1443
01:46:02,395 --> 01:46:03,835
In the good neighbor agreement, if that. Of course, these

1444
01:46:03,835 --> 01:46:07,564
are all subject to the will of counsel. That'd be

1445
01:46:07,564 --> 01:46:11,710
something you'd be working towards. If it goes that way,

1446
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:14,270
that you'd be open to that. Yeah, as long as

1447
01:46:14,270 --> 01:46:18,310
we're. Able to June, July, August and September have some

1448
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:22,762
weekends. Because typically people do want it to be nice

1449
01:46:22,762 --> 01:46:24,802
out, and I don't want it to. Be every weekend.

1450
01:46:26,201 --> 01:46:29,121
But I don't want to be stifled, that I can't

1451
01:46:29,121 --> 01:46:34,794
at any point, right? Thank you, mayor. Thank you. Mr.

1452
01:46:34,794 --> 01:46:38,728
Wrightsman, did you want to comment on. The staff's position.

1453
01:46:40,391 --> 01:46:47,597
On the suggested traffic improvements. Thank you, mayor. Yeah. Maybe

1454
01:46:47,597 --> 01:46:49,557
a point of clarification. More than anything I saw in

1455
01:46:49,557 --> 01:46:58,324
the presentation that it talked. About. $115,000 cost. And. We

1456
01:46:58,324 --> 01:47:00,364
believe that is for a full left turn lane, which

1457
01:47:00,364 --> 01:47:07,587
is not what. The. Senior engineers report. Is suggesting is

1458
01:47:07,587 --> 01:47:12,622
required. It's a simple laden widening, which is consistent with

1459
01:47:12,622 --> 01:47:17,073
what you see south of. This project site. There's several

1460
01:47:17,073 --> 01:47:19,906
intersections. I think one of them is even in the

1461
01:47:19,906 --> 01:47:25,310
presentation. Where? There is a shoulder that cars can pull

1462
01:47:25,310 --> 01:47:29,165
out on to pass. And so basically we're trying to

1463
01:47:29,165 --> 01:47:31,725
maintain some consistency there. And the intent really here is

1464
01:47:31,725 --> 01:47:36,725
just. To ultimately provide some safety when vehicles are queued

1465
01:47:36,725 --> 01:47:39,405
up. Turning into the venue, we just don't want people.

1466
01:47:39,405 --> 01:47:41,325
We want a place for people to go, to get

1467
01:47:41,325 --> 01:47:44,565
around cars, because there is some speeding on that road.

1468
01:47:44,565 --> 01:47:48,445
The 85th percentile speed is 78 km an hour. Interesting.

1469
01:47:48,445 --> 01:47:53,107
Line analysis was done at a much lower speed. Related

1470
01:47:53,107 --> 01:47:57,156
to the posted speed limit, so. There was some assumptions

1471
01:47:57,156 --> 01:48:00,236
made at our analysis where arguably, we could probably use

1472
01:48:00,236 --> 01:48:03,476
the higher speed, but the senior engineer determined that Mr.

1473
01:48:03,476 --> 01:48:08,261
Hasan determined that. The road widening should be sufficient to

1474
01:48:08,261 --> 01:48:11,181
address the safety concerns we had. That's the primary reason

1475
01:48:11,181 --> 01:48:13,997
for that pull up. The cost of that, as I

1476
01:48:13,997 --> 01:48:17,597
said, is more like a lane widening. Full lane widening,

1477
01:48:17,597 --> 01:48:21,557
to put a full turn lane in. We estimated the

1478
01:48:21,557 --> 01:48:24,437
cost to do a shoulder widening to just give folks

1479
01:48:24,437 --> 01:48:27,157
a place to go to duck around traffic if need

1480
01:48:27,157 --> 01:48:31,641
be, as around $12,000. So just a point of clarification.

1481
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:35,280
Sorry. My mic was on you, Mr. Wesley. No, it's

1482
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,760
okay. The reason they came up. With such an expensive

1483
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,680
quote is because there's the power lines that need to

1484
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:47,020
be moved. And the Gary Oaks. And it's close to

1485
01:48:47,020 --> 01:48:51,038
the fence, but also the drainage. I understand that they're

1486
01:48:51,038 --> 01:48:52,918
trying to give us option C. That was the most

1487
01:48:52,918 --> 01:48:57,062
cost effective. But it's really tight. And as everything's been

1488
01:48:57,062 --> 01:49:04,867
done in this. Anyways. I don't want to create a

1489
01:49:04,867 --> 01:49:06,747
back forth between the applicants and staff, but I do.

1490
01:49:06,747 --> 01:49:08,507
See Mr. Eisemitted to have his hand up again. So

1491
01:49:08,507 --> 01:49:11,565
if you want to weigh in one more time. Duly

1492
01:49:11,565 --> 01:49:14,205
noted. Yeah, we believe that. And the reason why this

1493
01:49:14,205 --> 01:49:17,165
option was selected was because we believe. That it could

1494
01:49:17,165 --> 01:49:20,085
actually be done without dealing with having to deal with

1495
01:49:20,085 --> 01:49:22,805
trees and power poles and such. That's why we selected

1496
01:49:22,805 --> 01:49:31,318
that option. Councilor Finley, then councilor Hogg. So, just a

1497
01:49:31,318 --> 01:49:36,212
question. You said in the presentation. That the majority of

1498
01:49:36,212 --> 01:49:38,972
the actually joining properties. I think it was nine. You

1499
01:49:38,972 --> 01:49:42,532
said in the presentation. Are in favor of this, including

1500
01:49:42,532 --> 01:49:47,681
the other stratahome on the property. To my understanding, they'd

1501
01:49:47,681 --> 01:49:51,815
be the most affected. Our strata neighbor is here tonight,

1502
01:49:51,815 --> 01:49:54,393
and we'll be speaking on that. She's there in full

1503
01:49:54,393 --> 01:50:00,930
support and. Yes, so. For our property line neighbors. 75%

1504
01:50:00,930 --> 01:50:03,850
of them are in full support. They did want to

1505
01:50:03,850 --> 01:50:06,650
come. And speak tonight. Actually, one of our property line

1506
01:50:06,650 --> 01:50:09,730
neighbors was very, very opposed at the very beginning. Of

1507
01:50:09,730 --> 01:50:13,550
this in 2018. They were afraid of change and they

1508
01:50:13,550 --> 01:50:16,750
were afraid of what could possibly take place. They are

1509
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:19,830
in full support. Now, after witnessing the weddings, even the

1510
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:22,070
open air ones, they did want to come speak. Tonight.

1511
01:50:23,848 --> 01:50:26,368
But they do feel very intimidated to come and speak

1512
01:50:26,368 --> 01:50:29,408
because a lot of the opposed neighbors have tried to

1513
01:50:29,408 --> 01:50:34,014
get them to change their stance. And have come to

1514
01:50:34,014 --> 01:50:37,694
their door multiple times, and she called us in tears

1515
01:50:37,694 --> 01:50:40,374
and said that she didn't feel comfortable coming to speak,

1516
01:50:40,374 --> 01:50:43,828
so. We do have a lot of support that you

1517
01:50:43,828 --> 01:50:47,469
won't see in the room tonight because of that. Councilor

1518
01:50:47,469 --> 01:50:54,272
Hogg. Thank you, mayor. This is for Theresa. With the

1519
01:50:54,272 --> 01:50:57,392
road widening. What does that look like for pedestrians using.

1520
01:50:59,166 --> 01:51:02,166
The side of the whether it be bike or walking

1521
01:51:02,166 --> 01:51:07,245
or would any have cars going around? Is that putting,

1522
01:51:07,245 --> 01:51:09,325
is there room for pedestrians to go by and is

1523
01:51:09,325 --> 01:51:13,521
there a risk there? Mr. Reitsma. Maybe I'll pass that

1524
01:51:13,521 --> 01:51:18,995
question on to senior engineer, transportation. Good evening, Marin Council.

1525
01:51:21,170 --> 01:51:23,810
So at this location on Lakes Road, currently there is

1526
01:51:23,810 --> 01:51:26,850
a pave shoulder only on the west. Side of the

1527
01:51:26,850 --> 01:51:32,756
road. And on the east side. We're recommending that a

1528
01:51:32,756 --> 01:51:36,841
similar shoulder be added. And if anything, it will enhance.

1529
01:51:38,526 --> 01:51:42,284
That. Of course, in the future we'll have to. Extend

1530
01:51:42,284 --> 01:51:46,171
it beyond to the south and north, but. What this

1531
01:51:46,171 --> 01:51:48,931
recommendation is to create a shoulder on the east side.

1532
01:51:50,433 --> 01:51:55,286
That keeps the west side existing, shoulder in place. It

1533
01:51:55,286 --> 01:51:58,722
just widens the road. So that. A similar shoulder is

1534
01:51:58,722 --> 01:52:02,526
created on the side. Hope that answers your question. And

1535
01:52:02,526 --> 01:52:09,779
you have additional questions from council. Seeing none. I think

1536
01:52:09,779 --> 01:52:11,499
we can move on to the next part of the

1537
01:52:11,499 --> 01:52:15,468
meeting. Thank you. Councilor Calio, did you have a question?

1538
01:52:19,716 --> 01:52:22,516
Yeah, I took my hand down. But now that you've

1539
01:52:22,516 --> 01:52:31,640
asked me, I'm just. Wondering. The bypass. Is this going

1540
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:33,560
to squeeze the lanes in? Is that how this is

1541
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:38,001
going to work? It seems to me that I've been

1542
01:52:38,001 --> 01:52:43,001
there many times. I grow down Lakes road, not daily,

1543
01:52:43,001 --> 01:52:45,761
but almost every day going out, hiking. And so I'm

1544
01:52:45,761 --> 01:52:48,201
just looking at how narrow the road is there myself.

1545
01:52:48,201 --> 01:52:52,201
And I'm not any expert, obviously. But I'm not quite

1546
01:52:52,201 --> 01:52:54,561
sure that it's obviously the lanes are going to have

1547
01:52:54,561 --> 01:52:59,065
to be narrowed. There. Is that a question for staff

1548
01:52:59,065 --> 01:53:05,095
or the applicant or both? Yes, please. Mr. Acme, you

1549
01:53:05,095 --> 01:53:09,491
want to stir? Yeah. I mean, we have looked at

1550
01:53:09,491 --> 01:53:15,966
this, and I do believe that. It's definitely tight. I

1551
01:53:15,966 --> 01:53:17,806
mean, we had to take a really close look at

1552
01:53:17,806 --> 01:53:20,683
this when we were. Trying to take the bite out

1553
01:53:20,683 --> 01:53:23,763
of this left hand turn issue. And as I repeated

1554
01:53:23,763 --> 01:53:26,763
earlier, that's why we came up with this option. And

1555
01:53:26,763 --> 01:53:29,403
we did look at ortho photos. And take a look

1556
01:53:29,403 --> 01:53:33,191
at the site. And we believe that. We can fit

1557
01:53:33,191 --> 01:53:38,608
it in, deal with. This safety concern we have and

1558
01:53:38,608 --> 01:53:41,121
address the problem. And that's how we ended up with

1559
01:53:41,121 --> 01:53:44,510
this option. Or do the applicants have any.

1560
01:53:57,555 --> 01:53:58,355
You just want to hit the button for the mic

1561
01:53:58,355 --> 01:54:03,974
there. I'd like to agree with Mike on this. It's

1562
01:54:03,974 --> 01:54:06,054
really tight down there, and I drive a dually, and

1563
01:54:06,054 --> 01:54:09,171
I think you guys. Want to widen the road in

1564
01:54:09,171 --> 01:54:12,771
one spot. 2.2 meters. I think that's 8ft. In change

1565
01:54:12,771 --> 01:54:15,451
that's barely the size of my duly, so I just

1566
01:54:15,451 --> 01:54:17,811
can't. Imagine we're going to have a dooley and another

1567
01:54:17,811 --> 01:54:21,371
vehicle driving by it and call that we're helping with

1568
01:54:21,371 --> 01:54:24,371
safety. So that's my concern with trying to condense. This

1569
01:54:24,371 --> 01:54:27,291
all in here. And if my slides that I went

1570
01:54:27,291 --> 01:54:28,985
through, we could have went through the. Traffic study a

1571
01:54:28,985 --> 01:54:35,037
little more. So this is a. Moti. I think. This

1572
01:54:35,037 --> 01:54:38,658
would be the chart you guys used. For your analysis,

1573
01:54:38,658 --> 01:54:41,298
and if they did the calculations at the proper times

1574
01:54:41,298 --> 01:54:44,578
instead of just taking the peak values and the most

1575
01:54:44,578 --> 01:54:47,338
amount of people. Instead of applying it real world, it

1576
01:54:47,338 --> 01:54:50,378
would have turned the analysis. Much different is what I

1577
01:54:50,378 --> 01:54:52,578
was trying to say. So it would have put everything

1578
01:54:52,578 --> 01:54:55,778
into a no left turn lane required. We have 13

1579
01:54:55,778 --> 01:54:58,936
to 16 vehicles, actually. Turning in in a half an

1580
01:54:58,936 --> 01:55:02,656
hour period. It just seems crazy to me that you

1581
01:55:02,656 --> 01:55:04,696
guys would want me to do all of this work

1582
01:55:04,696 --> 01:55:08,336
for 13 to 16 vehicles, even with traffic getting to

1583
01:55:08,336 --> 01:55:12,482
2040. Numbers. It still doesn't make sense at 13 to

1584
01:55:12,482 --> 01:55:16,762
16 vehicles, but I understand safety, but. I also see

1585
01:55:16,762 --> 01:55:18,962
the way people drive on Lakes Road and they're going

1586
01:55:18,962 --> 01:55:21,322
to just keep on going by at a fast speed,

1587
01:55:21,322 --> 01:55:23,162
so I think we got to look at something different.

1588
01:55:24,524 --> 01:55:32,090
Thank you. All right. Any further questions from council? I'll

1589
01:55:32,090 --> 01:55:34,530
now invite the corporate officer to provide a summary of

1590
01:55:34,530 --> 01:55:40,370
the correspondence received and published. In tonight's agenda. Thank you,

1591
01:55:40,370 --> 01:55:42,850
mayor. So notice of this public hearing was posted to

1592
01:55:42,850 --> 01:55:45,450
North Couch and's notice. Board and the website on the

1593
01:55:45,450 --> 01:55:50,130
2 January 2026 advertised on social media on the 2

1594
01:55:50,130 --> 01:55:54,883
January 2026 and published. In the couch and Valley Citizen

1595
01:55:54,883 --> 01:56:00,138
on the 14 January 2026. All correspondence received has been

1596
01:56:00,138 --> 01:56:04,458
provided to council, circulated in addendums and posted to north

1597
01:56:04,458 --> 01:56:08,692
Couchen's. Website. Printed copies are available in the public hearing

1598
01:56:08,692 --> 01:56:12,452
information package located in the binder outside of council chambers

1599
01:56:12,452 --> 01:56:15,612
for anyone here today who hasn't seen them and would

1600
01:56:15,612 --> 01:56:20,133
like to read the full submissions. So two petitions in

1601
01:56:20,133 --> 01:56:23,293
support of the zoning amendment have been received, one with

1602
01:56:23,293 --> 01:56:30,487
60 signatures and one electronic petition. With sorry, 1733 names

1603
01:56:30,487 --> 01:56:36,008
as of January the 14th, 2026. One petition in opposition

1604
01:56:36,008 --> 01:56:40,408
of the zoning amendment has been received with 39 signatures,

1605
01:56:40,408 --> 01:56:44,702
a total of 94 written submissions have been received. 56

1606
01:56:44,702 --> 01:56:48,102
were in support of the zoning amendment and 38 were

1607
01:56:48,102 --> 01:56:53,634
opposed. In addition, one late submission was received after today's

1608
01:56:53,634 --> 01:56:56,554
01:00 p.m. cutoff that I'd like to read into the

1609
01:56:56,554 --> 01:57:00,925
record now, Mr. Mayor, if that's. Okay with you? Thank

1610
01:57:00,925 --> 01:57:06,690
you. This email is from Chandra Unguran. I am writing

1611
01:57:06,690 --> 01:57:09,210
to formally submit my opposition to the Oak and vine

1612
01:57:09,210 --> 01:57:13,530
rezoning application. While the applicants have presented a proposal focused

1613
01:57:13,530 --> 01:57:16,730
on small scale benefits. We have recently discovered that they

1614
01:57:16,730 --> 01:57:22,269
are misrepresenting their intent. The applicants have highlighted that they

1615
01:57:22,269 --> 01:57:24,709
have reduced the size of their events to 80 people.

1616
01:57:26,377 --> 01:57:29,937
To minimize impact on the neighborhood. However, upon a quick

1617
01:57:29,937 --> 01:57:33,577
search of the Internet, we discover two places where they

1618
01:57:33,577 --> 01:57:36,537
are advertising the space for a capacity more than that.

1619
01:57:38,294 --> 01:57:42,814
Attached you will find screenshots with one advertising 85 person

1620
01:57:42,814 --> 01:57:46,534
capacity and the other 120. These were live as of

1621
01:57:46,534 --> 01:57:51,031
Friday, though they may have been taken down since. Also

1622
01:57:51,031 --> 01:57:54,351
attached as a post advertising the new building as a

1623
01:57:54,351 --> 01:57:58,151
lounge space, showing a clear statement of intent to expand

1624
01:57:58,151 --> 01:58:02,990
operations further. A copy of all of that is outside

1625
01:58:02,990 --> 01:58:04,550
in the binder if anybody wants to look at. That.

1626
01:58:06,573 --> 01:58:10,773
And this is from Chandra Hungerin, 63 92 Lakes Road.

1627
01:58:12,365 --> 01:58:15,365
We'll now invite the public to share their comments. Each

1628
01:58:15,365 --> 01:58:18,045
speaker will have an initial three minute maximum to speak,

1629
01:58:18,045 --> 01:58:21,365
followed by additional turns as needed. The public is asked

1630
01:58:21,365 --> 01:58:24,405
to clearly state their name and address for the public

1631
01:58:24,405 --> 01:58:30,960
record. But some like to step forward to the podium?

1632
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:31,360
Yes, please.

1633
01:58:44,017 --> 01:58:48,177
Good evening, Marin council. My name is Leanne Marshall. My

1634
01:58:48,177 --> 01:58:50,817
husband, Craig Mackai, is currently away. From work. So we

1635
01:58:50,817 --> 01:58:55,257
prepared these notes together before he left. Craig and I

1636
01:58:55,257 --> 01:58:58,857
live in the strata. Property, one which is on the

1637
01:58:58,857 --> 01:59:04,468
same property as Matika and Randy. We move. Moved to

1638
01:59:04,468 --> 01:59:07,348
this home in May 2024 with the full knowledge that

1639
01:59:07,348 --> 01:59:10,388
we were moving next to a wedding venue that held

1640
01:59:10,388 --> 01:59:13,667
ten weddings a year. Actually, we found the idea quite

1641
01:59:13,667 --> 01:59:16,583
charming. It's a beautiful property with a barn, a pond,

1642
01:59:16,583 --> 01:59:19,943
a vineyard and views of Mount Zuhalam. And Kwameton Lake.

1643
01:59:21,613 --> 01:59:23,653
If the weddings were to create a disturbance of the

1644
01:59:23,653 --> 01:59:27,013
piece, it would affect us more than anybody. Else. So

1645
01:59:27,013 --> 01:59:30,453
far, Randy and Mastika have been completely transparent regarding their

1646
01:59:30,453 --> 01:59:34,133
future plans for the wedding. Venue and the property. Overall,

1647
01:59:34,133 --> 01:59:36,893
they have made significant upgrades to the fencing and the

1648
01:59:36,893 --> 01:59:41,013
entranceway to the vineyard. They've replaced the old wastewol irrigation

1649
01:59:41,013 --> 01:59:44,329
systems. With an efficient new system, and they've improved the

1650
01:59:44,329 --> 01:59:48,783
vineyard through transplanting and propagation of new vines. They have

1651
01:59:48,783 --> 01:59:51,703
also created beautiful new lavender fields. And in the areas

1652
01:59:51,703 --> 01:59:55,303
where the vines were not thriving, we have regular strata

1653
01:59:55,303 --> 01:59:58,223
meetings where we are kept fully informed of any construction

1654
01:59:58,223 --> 02:00:01,383
or changes to the property. We see these updates as

1655
02:00:01,383 --> 02:00:04,223
enhancing the beauty and overall appeal of the north couch

1656
02:00:04,223 --> 02:00:07,834
and valley. As seen from Lakes Road. Massika has always

1657
02:00:07,834 --> 02:00:11,394
provided us with advanced notification prior to any open houses

1658
02:00:11,394 --> 02:00:14,874
or family gatherings other than a small increase in traffic

1659
02:00:14,874 --> 02:00:18,944
on our shared driveway. We've heard absolutely nothing. For instance,

1660
02:00:18,944 --> 02:00:22,864
there was a realtor gathering this past Christmas, and that

1661
02:00:22,864 --> 02:00:25,344
evening we sat out on our open deck and we

1662
02:00:25,344 --> 02:00:27,784
heard no noise at all. The only evidence of a

1663
02:00:27,784 --> 02:00:30,704
gathering was the divisible lights from the venue if we

1664
02:00:30,704 --> 02:00:34,085
actually looked at the venue. We are fully aware that

1665
02:00:34,085 --> 02:00:37,165
during wedding events there will be an increase to vehicle

1666
02:00:37,165 --> 02:00:40,765
traffic and more. People on the acreage. Well, this might

1667
02:00:40,765 --> 02:00:43,845
be a slight inconvenience. We understood this. When we purchased

1668
02:00:43,845 --> 02:00:46,405
our home and that this was part and parcel of

1669
02:00:46,405 --> 02:00:50,521
buying into this specific strata. Greg and I enjoy a

1670
02:00:50,521 --> 02:00:55,151
very peaceful. And positive relationship with all of our neighbors

1671
02:00:55,151 --> 02:00:57,812
we trust. That the weddings will not create a significant

1672
02:00:57,812 --> 02:01:01,092
disturbance for us, and that should an incident occur, that

1673
02:01:01,092 --> 02:01:05,645
will be swiftly arrested and mitigated. Thank you. Someone else

1674
02:01:05,645 --> 02:01:11,199
like to come up to the podium? So there's a

1675
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:13,239
lot of hands going up. If you want to speak,

1676
02:01:13,239 --> 02:01:22,348
just walk up. There. Hi, everyone.

1677
02:01:25,658 --> 02:01:27,698
Before I start this, I just want to say how

1678
02:01:27,698 --> 02:01:30,498
proud I am of Randy and Masika. In their presentation

1679
02:01:30,498 --> 02:01:35,240
and how excellent. I think that. They are handling this

1680
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:39,439
very high stress. Situation. I also know a lot of

1681
02:01:39,439 --> 02:01:42,351
stress. So I'm very happy to be here to support

1682
02:01:42,351 --> 02:01:45,402
them. I've personally showed up here tonight to show my

1683
02:01:45,402 --> 02:01:48,602
friend the support she deeply deserves to. Speak directly to

1684
02:01:48,602 --> 02:01:50,962
you all about her great character and how it is

1685
02:01:50,962 --> 02:01:53,242
a big mistake to take away this opportunity from her.

1686
02:01:54,897 --> 02:01:57,937
I have known Masika for almost 40 years. That's four

1687
02:01:57,937 --> 02:02:00,737
decades of knowing how good of a person. She is.

1688
02:02:00,737 --> 02:02:04,217
She is kind, reliable, caring, and has the utmost integrity

1689
02:02:04,217 --> 02:02:07,417
for following the rules. Trust me. Our whole life, she

1690
02:02:07,417 --> 02:02:11,440
never got in trouble. As she has done all that

1691
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:13,960
she has been asked for her venue application. It boggles

1692
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:19,403
my mind that she's even in this heartbreaking situation. Masika

1693
02:02:19,403 --> 02:02:22,083
has spent the last 16 years raising her children, and

1694
02:02:22,083 --> 02:02:24,283
for a lot of that time, she was alone until

1695
02:02:24,283 --> 02:02:27,083
she met Randy, a stand up man that always goes

1696
02:02:27,083 --> 02:02:30,083
above and beyond for people in his life. Randy is

1697
02:02:30,083 --> 02:02:33,603
the highest integrity for professionalism and is the textbook description

1698
02:02:33,603 --> 02:02:36,443
of a hardworking man, constantly doing things for his family.

1699
02:02:38,432 --> 02:02:40,552
The two of them will make the perfect team to

1700
02:02:40,552 --> 02:02:45,170
run a legitimate business. Masika worked very hard for everything

1701
02:02:45,170 --> 02:02:47,810
she has accomplished and never stepping on anyone to get

1702
02:02:47,810 --> 02:02:51,410
it. She has poured her heart, blood, sweat and tears

1703
02:02:51,410 --> 02:02:54,570
into this wedding venue, not only to support her. Family,

1704
02:02:54,570 --> 02:02:58,670
but to support other local businesses. She gives back. She

1705
02:02:58,670 --> 02:03:02,717
cares about people and their well being. She even does

1706
02:03:02,717 --> 02:03:05,197
down to the smallest detail. She helps her community on

1707
02:03:05,197 --> 02:03:07,677
her own time. She goes to local vendors, raves about

1708
02:03:07,677 --> 02:03:10,197
their products and posts on social media so that everyone

1709
02:03:10,197 --> 02:03:16,579
feels that promotion. She really values small businesses. She wants

1710
02:03:16,579 --> 02:03:19,179
to bring joy and happiness and beautiful memories to couples

1711
02:03:19,179 --> 02:03:21,819
at her venue. It's outrageous at her venue is even

1712
02:03:21,819 --> 02:03:25,272
having to be considered with not moving forward. She is

1713
02:03:25,272 --> 02:03:29,312
literally asking for ten days. That is 355 days in

1714
02:03:29,312 --> 02:03:35,534
a calendar year where there's. No weddings. No interruptions. She

1715
02:03:35,534 --> 02:03:37,774
knows the guidelines and has followed them to a t.

1716
02:03:37,774 --> 02:03:40,014
It's hard to wrap my head around that ten days

1717
02:03:40,014 --> 02:03:44,814
a year. Are causing such an issue. I cannot impress

1718
02:03:44,814 --> 02:03:47,654
on you all any harder how Masika will completely put

1719
02:03:47,654 --> 02:03:51,219
her life on hold. To others. I don't need to

1720
02:03:51,219 --> 02:03:53,379
share this information, but I'm happy to share it when

1721
02:03:53,379 --> 02:03:56,499
my daughter was diagnosed with an incurable terminal illness. Masika

1722
02:03:56,499 --> 02:03:59,099
was one of my first friends. To step up. She

1723
02:03:59,099 --> 02:04:02,299
immediately rallied friends, family and community to help, and always

1724
02:04:02,299 --> 02:04:05,259
possible, she still continues to be that friend for me.

1725
02:04:05,259 --> 02:04:10,750
Years later, I'm very disappointed that she wants to. Provide

1726
02:04:10,750 --> 02:04:14,150
something to this community that will greatly benefit, and she

1727
02:04:14,150 --> 02:04:17,382
has to fight this hard. My hope is the wedding

1728
02:04:17,382 --> 02:04:20,262
venue permit will be granted. And to let this beautiful

1729
02:04:20,262 --> 02:04:22,382
family go back. To living their lives and not live

1730
02:04:22,382 --> 02:04:25,702
in constant stress. Thank you for listening, sir. Ma'am. I

1731
02:04:25,702 --> 02:04:28,893
think we got your name or address. My name is

1732
02:04:28,893 --> 02:04:32,573
Jori Fails, and I live at 8999 Wild Ridgeway. Great,

1733
02:04:32,573 --> 02:04:35,898
thank you. Thank you. Would someone else like to step

1734
02:04:35,898 --> 02:04:43,699
forward to the podium? So if you could state your

1735
02:04:43,699 --> 02:04:46,339
name and address. Good evening. My own council. My name

1736
02:04:46,339 --> 02:04:49,699
is Yan. Mudder, but I live at 6387 Lake Road,

1737
02:04:49,699 --> 02:04:58,253
immediately across from the applicant. And I just want to

1738
02:04:58,253 --> 02:05:00,173
see if we can get this back to just fact,

1739
02:05:00,173 --> 02:05:03,791
just the basics. The journey to here. Versus some of

1740
02:05:03,791 --> 02:05:09,044
the implied emotions and preferences we have. This amendment application

1741
02:05:09,044 --> 02:05:13,244
is not about liking or disliking individuals. It's not about

1742
02:05:13,244 --> 02:05:17,213
Alr land use as this property is not alr. And

1743
02:05:17,213 --> 02:05:20,213
with respect, it's not about the significant skills, hopes and

1744
02:05:20,213 --> 02:05:23,333
dreams that we may all have? I have many that

1745
02:05:23,333 --> 02:05:26,733
didn't come to fruition, some of them limited by guidelines.

1746
02:05:26,733 --> 02:05:29,573
Safety North Carolina council as I recently constructed on my

1747
02:05:29,573 --> 02:05:33,480
property. I accept this as the guidelines pertaining to the

1748
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:37,013
property that I bought and I now live on. This

1749
02:05:37,013 --> 02:05:41,773
Eid about amending land use. This is about allowing current

1750
02:05:41,773 --> 02:05:45,133
neighbors to sustain the quality of life. Current zoning allows.

1751
02:05:46,822 --> 02:05:49,622
As a reminder to council and those attending, as a

1752
02:05:49,622 --> 02:05:52,102
short summary to the journey to this point, serves to

1753
02:05:52,102 --> 02:05:55,622
consider. There was no regional application, as Missika pointed out.

1754
02:05:55,622 --> 02:06:00,022
Temporary use permit August 2018 approved for 18 months commencing

1755
02:06:00,022 --> 02:06:03,662
in May 2019 and in October of 2020. There was

1756
02:06:03,662 --> 02:06:08,564
an application for a one year extension to. October 21.

1757
02:06:08,564 --> 02:06:12,204
At the time, significant investments were underway at the property

1758
02:06:12,204 --> 02:06:15,204
directly from the staff report, it was noted that these

1759
02:06:15,204 --> 02:06:18,004
investments had occurred on the subject property to develop it

1760
02:06:18,004 --> 02:06:20,604
as a wedding venue. This was on the basis of

1761
02:06:20,604 --> 02:06:25,647
temporary use permit. The improvements were noted as being substantial.

1762
02:06:25,647 --> 02:06:29,087
The owners were informed and reminded of the temporary spermat

1763
02:06:29,087 --> 02:06:31,647
on the future use of the property for weddings could

1764
02:06:31,647 --> 02:06:35,487
not be guaranteed. Stop at the time express concern that

1765
02:06:35,487 --> 02:06:39,367
the investment made to that date was creating economic incentive

1766
02:06:39,367 --> 02:06:42,127
or necessity for the owners to operate the business out

1767
02:06:42,127 --> 02:06:47,933
of compliance with temporary going forward, investments continued nonetheless. And

1768
02:06:47,933 --> 02:06:51,293
here we find ourselves facing an argument which I fully

1769
02:06:51,293 --> 02:06:56,656
understand to say. We've put a blood sudden. You have.

1770
02:06:56,656 --> 02:07:00,096
Absolutely have. And that I would have great difficulty. Backing

1771
02:07:00,096 --> 02:07:04,256
away from that investment personally. But the investment was made

1772
02:07:04,256 --> 02:07:06,696
with the knowledge that there is not a permanent zoning

1773
02:07:06,696 --> 02:07:12,176
amendment allowing future use with security. That is the truth.

1774
02:07:12,176 --> 02:07:16,104
Those are the facts. If commercial assembly uses allowed in

1775
02:07:16,104 --> 02:07:18,664
perpetuity, concerns remain that a good, noble agreement is not

1776
02:07:18,664 --> 02:07:23,040
enforceable. And I recognize the integrity of the people who

1777
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:26,200
are speaking of. But the truth is that mechanisms to

1778
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:29,160
protect others in the closed neighborhood are absent as relates

1779
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:32,600
to dispute resolution in the future. It is a somewhat

1780
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:35,480
informal process, and I don't know of any mechanisms that

1781
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:38,760
can assist. I'm running out of time. I agree with

1782
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,892
Randy about their shoulder. My field is. Immediately on margin.

1783
02:07:41,892 --> 02:07:44,653
There isn't two and a half meters there. And in

1784
02:07:44,653 --> 02:07:48,720
closing, if I please, could finish like 4 seconds. North

1785
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:52,760
couch and stuff. I would like you to clarify. Previously

1786
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:57,577
stating that. Temporary use permit cannot. Extend to permission. We've

1787
02:07:57,577 --> 02:07:58,697
got a few seconds over. I hate to cut you

1788
02:07:58,697 --> 02:08:00,457
off, you'll have another chance to come out of trouble.

1789
02:08:00,457 --> 02:08:03,526
Thank you. Will someone else take a step forward?

1790
02:08:10,579 --> 02:08:16,171
State your name and address. Kelly Olsen 25 21 town

1791
02:08:16,171 --> 02:08:23,466
end off of Lakes Road. I'm here for Masika. I

1792
02:08:23,466 --> 02:08:27,106
don't know Masika. I don't. Know, Randy. Actually, I joined

1793
02:08:27,106 --> 02:08:29,866
her little forum on Facebook about what was going on

1794
02:08:29,866 --> 02:08:32,746
with her farm. I own one of the largest farms

1795
02:08:32,746 --> 02:08:36,608
in the hearted, Duncan. I, too, have gone through kind

1796
02:08:36,608 --> 02:08:39,968
of what she's going through with neighbors, thinking that they

1797
02:08:39,968 --> 02:08:43,088
can look in your yard if you're having a cigarette

1798
02:08:43,088 --> 02:08:46,888
or sitting out by a fire. Or causing problems. So

1799
02:08:46,888 --> 02:08:50,368
I just wanted to do a quick speech. The mills

1800
02:08:50,368 --> 02:08:52,408
closed down as one. Of the contractors at the mill

1801
02:08:52,408 --> 02:08:55,864
that lost their business when the mill shut down. This

1802
02:08:55,864 --> 02:08:59,784
business here is about to bring probably a million, million

1803
02:08:59,784 --> 02:09:02,824
one into the community. I think that's tax dollars that

1804
02:09:02,824 --> 02:09:06,948
we could use in this community right now. It's a

1805
02:09:06,948 --> 02:09:10,188
shame that it's come down to neighbor versus neighbor, but

1806
02:09:10,188 --> 02:09:12,428
people have to realize, and it was said earlier on,

1807
02:09:12,428 --> 02:09:16,108
that place was a business before she ever bought it.

1808
02:09:16,108 --> 02:09:18,748
The road was used as a business, and with the

1809
02:09:18,748 --> 02:09:21,788
mill closing down, what would be the big problem with

1810
02:09:21,788 --> 02:09:24,668
traffic now when about 50% of the road traffic is

1811
02:09:24,668 --> 02:09:26,944
going to be nil. When that mill shuts down. On

1812
02:09:26,944 --> 02:09:31,486
February the 10th. So just looking at what she's done.

1813
02:09:31,486 --> 02:09:33,886
I stopped at her place. I seen her venue. I

1814
02:09:33,886 --> 02:09:37,406
listened. I do fact finding. I do investigating for a

1815
02:09:37,406 --> 02:09:41,726
living. And she's got sound. Barriers there. She's gone way

1816
02:09:41,726 --> 02:09:45,366
above and beyond what anybody would ask. She is abiding.

1817
02:09:45,366 --> 02:09:48,406
By the rules, and she's getting kind of a crappy

1818
02:09:48,406 --> 02:09:51,207
end of the deal. Here. It's surprising that it's come

1819
02:09:51,207 --> 02:09:54,247
to this. I think somebody that's barely run a business.

1820
02:09:54,247 --> 02:09:56,087
It was shut down because of Covid, and now the

1821
02:09:56,087 --> 02:09:59,487
neighbors are complaining. About it. They bought a property or

1822
02:09:59,487 --> 02:10:01,847
live on a property they knew was a business, just

1823
02:10:01,847 --> 02:10:05,455
like mine is my property is a business. I could

1824
02:10:05,455 --> 02:10:08,575
point at 100 businesses in Duncan that live by an

1825
02:10:08,575 --> 02:10:11,655
acreage. They're lucky. She's not a pig farmer if she

1826
02:10:11,655 --> 02:10:14,655
doesn't get ten weddings a day or. Ten weddings a

1827
02:10:14,655 --> 02:10:17,455
year. Pardon me. Maybe she should be raising animals. Would

1828
02:10:17,455 --> 02:10:20,015
her neighbors like that? Having a bunch of pigs or

1829
02:10:20,015 --> 02:10:23,815
peacocks or roosters in your backyard. I mean, pick your

1830
02:10:23,815 --> 02:10:29,183
poison. Here. Ten weddings a year. That's nothing. Beautiful. Facility

1831
02:10:29,183 --> 02:10:31,423
that they've gone way out of their way to make

1832
02:10:31,423 --> 02:10:34,063
perfect, gone out of their way to go to every

1833
02:10:34,063 --> 02:10:36,463
single neighbor, let them know what's going on, and it's.

1834
02:10:36,463 --> 02:10:39,250
Still not good enough. I think she needs to catch

1835
02:10:39,250 --> 02:10:41,250
a break. I think Granny needs to catch a break.

1836
02:10:41,250 --> 02:10:43,410
Like I said they've done a beautiful job on their

1837
02:10:43,410 --> 02:10:46,370
yard. I'm very picky. I'm very picky about when I

1838
02:10:46,370 --> 02:10:48,170
come out and speak for people. Like I said, I

1839
02:10:48,170 --> 02:10:52,366
don't know. Masika. We're not friends. Other than joining a

1840
02:10:52,366 --> 02:10:54,766
forum to see what was going on with a property

1841
02:10:54,766 --> 02:10:56,926
that's zoned. For that. That was a business. That's the

1842
02:10:56,926 --> 02:10:59,606
only reason I've even come. Here to speak. Like I

1843
02:10:59,606 --> 02:11:03,326
said, she's a good person. Met her like I said

1844
02:11:03,326 --> 02:11:06,286
it. Doesn't get any better than that. We've got Lewis

1845
02:11:06,286 --> 02:11:08,406
street, we've got. Everything else going on. You think the

1846
02:11:08,406 --> 02:11:11,675
neighbors like what's going on there, but those businesses. Got

1847
02:11:11,675 --> 02:11:14,195
a permit to operate. They're in business. Like I said,

1848
02:11:14,195 --> 02:11:17,115
we pick our poison when. We live in an area

1849
02:11:17,115 --> 02:11:19,875
where you have neighbors. You're going to have problems. You

1850
02:11:19,875 --> 02:11:24,446
deal. With them. Move on. Enjoy your property. End a

1851
02:11:24,446 --> 02:11:26,686
story. We're at time, ma'am. You can come up again

1852
02:11:26,686 --> 02:11:30,112
for second. Round. If you have additional comments. All right,

1853
02:11:30,112 --> 02:11:34,640
who'd like to step forward next? I'm going to have

1854
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:37,280
to leave you amongst yourselves to figure out who's coming.

1855
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:39,240
Up next. Every time I put a call out, I

1856
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:41,880
see about three or four people stand up. It's all

1857
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:45,200
good. Is my mic on? Okay, state your name and

1858
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,600
address. My name is. Tammy Markworth and I live at

1859
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:57,197
3508 Honey Crisp. Avenue in langford. So I am ready

1860
02:11:57,197 --> 02:12:00,157
to express my strong support from Asika Allen in Oakland

1861
02:12:00,157 --> 02:12:03,157
Vine Estate as an essential and highly valued wedding and

1862
02:12:03,157 --> 02:12:05,877
event venue in the couch and valley. I have worked

1863
02:12:05,877 --> 02:12:09,357
personally with Masika through my company Boo Bouli event planning,

1864
02:12:09,357 --> 02:12:14,054
and I can constantly speak to. The professionalism, structure and

1865
02:12:14,054 --> 02:12:17,414
exceptional level of care in which she conducts her businesses.

1866
02:12:17,414 --> 02:12:21,334
Since Covid-19 the wedding industry has shifted dramatically. Couples are

1867
02:12:21,334 --> 02:12:26,054
now choosing smaller, more intentional gatherings that prioritize meaningful experiences

1868
02:12:26,054 --> 02:12:30,294
over large, impersonal events. Okanvine is perfectly aligned with this.

1869
02:12:30,294 --> 02:12:34,371
New direction, the venue. Offers an intimate, thoughtfully designed setting

1870
02:12:34,371 --> 02:12:37,171
where families can celebrate in a way that feels personal

1871
02:12:37,171 --> 02:12:42,399
and reflective of modern values while still. Contributing significantly to

1872
02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:48,001
our local economy. Okonvine is an exceptionally well managed and

1873
02:12:48,001 --> 02:12:52,601
responsibly structured mesiko operates with detailed contracts, clear policies and

1874
02:12:52,601 --> 02:12:57,736
requirements such. As the involvement of professional wedding planners to

1875
02:12:57,736 --> 02:13:00,736
ensure that every event is organized, compliant and respectful of

1876
02:13:00,736 --> 02:13:04,867
the surrounding community. From my perspective as a planner, This

1877
02:13:04,867 --> 02:13:07,827
level of oversight creates a smoother, safer event and upholds

1878
02:13:07,827 --> 02:13:12,269
a high standard of our industry strives for. What truly

1879
02:13:12,269 --> 02:13:14,469
sets them apart is the extraordinary level of care that

1880
02:13:14,469 --> 02:13:17,989
has gone into minimizing any impact on neighboring properties while

1881
02:13:17,989 --> 02:13:21,900
enhancing the experience for couples and their guests. As purposely

1882
02:13:21,900 --> 02:13:24,780
mentioned, the venue has invested in soundproofing measures to ensure

1883
02:13:24,780 --> 02:13:29,362
celebrations remain enjoyable without disturbing anyone. They have achieved a

1884
02:13:29,362 --> 02:13:31,642
level of soundproofing that I have not seen in any

1885
02:13:31,642 --> 02:13:35,042
other venue. Reflecting their general commitment to both their couples

1886
02:13:35,042 --> 02:13:39,202
and their neighbors, they have strategically designed fencing and landscaping

1887
02:13:39,202 --> 02:13:42,002
so that guest and vendor vehicles are never in sight

1888
02:13:42,002 --> 02:13:45,882
of adjoining properties. They have thoughtful site planning and keeping

1889
02:13:45,882 --> 02:13:50,548
events event activity. Actively contained and respectful of the rural

1890
02:13:50,548 --> 02:13:54,068
setting. They have a curated list of approved and vended

1891
02:13:54,068 --> 02:13:58,020
local vendors, not anyone can just work there. Professionals who

1892
02:13:58,020 --> 02:14:00,380
have been in the industry for many years follow venue

1893
02:14:00,380 --> 02:14:04,369
rules and provide a consistently high level of service. I

1894
02:14:04,369 --> 02:14:07,369
have personally planned and executed over 600 weddings in my

1895
02:14:07,369 --> 02:14:10,355
16 years that have had my company. At many different

1896
02:14:10,355 --> 02:14:13,555
venues on Vancouver island and beyond, and I can honestly

1897
02:14:13,555 --> 02:14:17,149
say I have never. Seen such intentional care taken to

1898
02:14:17,149 --> 02:14:21,749
protect neighbors while still creating a beautiful guest experience. Masika's.

1899
02:14:21,749 --> 02:14:25,109
Approach is collaborative, respectful, and proactive in a way that

1900
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:28,509
should be recognized and valued. Randy already touched on it

1901
02:14:28,509 --> 02:14:32,229
and I'm running out of time. But the economic benefit

1902
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:36,180
is substantial. A million dollars to our community is. Amazing.

1903
02:14:36,180 --> 02:14:39,700
It goes far beyond the venue. Everyone down to local

1904
02:14:39,700 --> 02:14:44,233
farmers and producers who supply food, flowers. And wine. This

1905
02:14:44,233 --> 02:14:48,153
venue creates a ripple effect. My entire income and many

1906
02:14:48,153 --> 02:14:51,353
of my colleagues rely on a healthy event sector. At

1907
02:14:51,353 --> 02:14:54,506
present, there are not. Time, but we'll have another opportunity

1908
02:14:54,506 --> 02:14:58,040
to come up, if you like. State your name and

1909
02:14:58,040 --> 02:15:00,960
address. My name is Shelby Bucken. I live at nine.

1910
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:05,840
70 McDonald street. Good evening, mayor and council. This is

1911
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:08,880
more just to speak on the character of Masika. I've

1912
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,640
known her for about twelve years now. First as one

1913
02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:18,626
of her photography clients. Back when she worked out of

1914
02:15:18,626 --> 02:15:21,866
her previous home, and then later she was a customer

1915
02:15:21,866 --> 02:15:25,426
of mine. Through my former plumbing company. Our kids also

1916
02:15:25,426 --> 02:15:29,842
attend school together, so. Our relationship has been both professional

1917
02:15:29,842 --> 02:15:33,319
and personal for many years. I remember back when Masika

1918
02:15:33,319 --> 02:15:35,199
told me about the house that she bought on Lakes

1919
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:39,919
Road and she was so genuinely excited about the possibilities,

1920
02:15:39,919 --> 02:15:42,279
not just about the beauty of the property, but its

1921
02:15:42,279 --> 02:15:46,119
potential. It offered more space for her family room to

1922
02:15:46,119 --> 02:15:50,159
grow creatively as a photographer and the opportunity to create

1923
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:53,819
a unique event space that could serve. The community. While

1924
02:15:53,819 --> 02:15:55,779
supporting her family. And that's the biggest thing, is she

1925
02:15:55,779 --> 02:15:58,899
just wants to support her. Family. Anyone who's worked with

1926
02:15:58,899 --> 02:16:01,539
Masika knows that she does far more than just take

1927
02:16:01,539 --> 02:16:06,619
photos she creates experiences. Her ability to design sets, props.

1928
02:16:07,924 --> 02:16:12,126
And atmosphere tailored to each client is beyond exceptional. Her

1929
02:16:12,126 --> 02:16:14,846
attention to detail is obvious in her work. Just look

1930
02:16:14,846 --> 02:16:17,486
at all the hundreds of photos that she's uploaded and

1931
02:16:17,486 --> 02:16:20,952
shared with the world over the years. And that same

1932
02:16:20,952 --> 02:16:23,432
attention to detail has carried through to the renovations on

1933
02:16:23,432 --> 02:16:27,072
her property, including the barn. And I've worked with many

1934
02:16:27,072 --> 02:16:29,512
of the trades and companies that have been involved with

1935
02:16:29,512 --> 02:16:33,232
that. And everything has been done thoughtfully, professionally and with

1936
02:16:33,232 --> 02:16:36,752
care from the very beginning. Masika had a very clear

1937
02:16:36,752 --> 02:16:40,152
vision of what she wanted to build, and she's always

1938
02:16:40,152 --> 02:16:43,604
been very. Transparent about it. She's listened to concerns from

1939
02:16:43,604 --> 02:16:47,164
neighbors, she's worked diligently. To meet every requirement placed in

1940
02:16:47,164 --> 02:16:51,344
front of her, every request. Every adjustment, every condition has

1941
02:16:51,344 --> 02:16:54,511
been addressed. The level of grace that she has shown

1942
02:16:54,511 --> 02:16:58,791
throughout this process, despite roadblocks and public accusations it speaks

1943
02:16:58,791 --> 02:17:03,391
volumes about her character. She's consistently chosen cooperation over conflict.

1944
02:17:04,808 --> 02:17:06,848
At the end of the day, Masika's goal has never

1945
02:17:06,848 --> 02:17:09,968
changed. She's simply trying to care for her family while

1946
02:17:09,968 --> 02:17:14,727
doing meaningful work that she's deeply passionate about. Together, Masika

1947
02:17:14,727 --> 02:17:18,207
and Randy have invested countless hours of resources into the

1948
02:17:18,207 --> 02:17:21,167
beautification of their property, not just the house and the

1949
02:17:21,167 --> 02:17:24,007
barn, but the lavender fields and the vineyard as well,

1950
02:17:24,007 --> 02:17:27,647
creating a space that enhances the surrounding area and reflects

1951
02:17:27,647 --> 02:17:31,007
the kind of care that this community values. I'm here

1952
02:17:31,007 --> 02:17:33,447
today because I believe she has acted in good faith

1953
02:17:33,447 --> 02:17:36,527
at every step. And because I believe this venue can

1954
02:17:36,527 --> 02:17:38,647
continue to exist in a way that benefits both her

1955
02:17:38,647 --> 02:17:42,750
family. And the broader community. I respectfully ask council to

1956
02:17:42,750 --> 02:17:46,390
consider her efforts, her integrity, and the positive impact of

1957
02:17:46,390 --> 02:17:48,990
allowing this venue to remain open. Thank you for your

1958
02:17:48,990 --> 02:17:54,978
time. Who would like to step forward next? Come up

1959
02:17:54,978 --> 02:18:00,219
to the podium, state your name and address. Hi. Good

1960
02:18:00,219 --> 02:18:02,219
evening. Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Keanu

1961
02:18:02,219 --> 02:18:05,699
woods and I'm 15. Years old. I'm here as a

1962
02:18:05,699 --> 02:18:07,899
daughter of Masika and Randy and as someone who has

1963
02:18:07,899 --> 02:18:09,779
grown up with Okan vin estate being a part of

1964
02:18:09,779 --> 02:18:12,219
my life for more than half of it. For as

1965
02:18:12,219 --> 02:18:14,499
long as I can remember, this property has been more

1966
02:18:14,499 --> 02:18:16,819
than just our home. It's something I've watched my parents

1967
02:18:16,819 --> 02:18:20,637
work incredibly hard to build. I've watched them. Plant vines,

1968
02:18:20,637 --> 02:18:23,757
build barns, and spend countless hours planning and improving this

1969
02:18:23,757 --> 02:18:27,157
space, which shows even in my own house closest to

1970
02:18:27,157 --> 02:18:29,757
the menu. I cannot hear anything while a wedding is

1971
02:18:29,757 --> 02:18:32,987
going on. I've also had the chance to work here

1972
02:18:32,987 --> 02:18:35,387
at weddings. Not only is it my parents. Being involved.

1973
02:18:36,315 --> 02:18:38,595
Has taught me responsibility and pride in getting to create

1974
02:18:38,595 --> 02:18:41,515
something like this. I get the chance to help prep

1975
02:18:41,515 --> 02:18:44,395
greek guests, move tables and chairs, garden, clean up and

1976
02:18:44,395 --> 02:18:46,075
be a part of the day. And I truly love

1977
02:18:46,075 --> 02:18:49,619
it and appreciate the experience. What I want you to

1978
02:18:49,619 --> 02:18:51,979
know is that this is not just a business to

1979
02:18:51,979 --> 02:18:55,059
my parents. They genuinely care about doing things the right

1980
02:18:55,059 --> 02:18:58,339
way and about catering to neighbors and to the community.

1981
02:19:00,112 --> 02:19:04,375
No one is affected in any negative ways. I see

1982
02:19:04,375 --> 02:19:05,855
firsthand how much how they want this to be a

1983
02:19:05,855 --> 02:19:10,535
positive place that benefits everyone. This challenge, this process has

1984
02:19:10,535 --> 02:19:13,415
been challenging for our family, but I'm incredibly proud of

1985
02:19:13,415 --> 02:19:15,975
how hard my parents have worked and how much they

1986
02:19:15,975 --> 02:19:19,054
believe in this vision. I hope you will give our

1987
02:19:19,054 --> 02:19:22,214
family the chance to continue building something special here. Thank

1988
02:19:22,214 --> 02:19:31,041
you very much for listening. Coming to the podium. State

1989
02:19:31,041 --> 02:19:33,641
your name and address. Mayor and council, my name is

1990
02:19:33,641 --> 02:19:38,281
Peter Culligan. I live at 6367 Woodland Drive. I am

1991
02:19:38,281 --> 02:19:41,081
opposed to the zoning amendment for the oak and vine

1992
02:19:41,081 --> 02:19:44,761
property. I do not believe the wedding and event center

1993
02:19:44,761 --> 02:19:48,503
is a compatible use for this property. In a residential

1994
02:19:48,503 --> 02:19:52,425
neighborhood. My opinion is based on the noise created at

1995
02:19:52,425 --> 02:19:56,345
such events and the applicant's inability to follow bylaw regulations

1996
02:19:56,345 --> 02:19:59,425
in the past when there was a temporary use permit

1997
02:19:59,425 --> 02:20:04,032
in place. Equally important is the risk to traffic safety

1998
02:20:04,032 --> 02:20:07,672
in north Couch and due to the increased congestion along

1999
02:20:07,672 --> 02:20:12,043
Lakes Road, although. This posted speed limit along Lakes Road

2000
02:20:12,043 --> 02:20:15,923
is 60 km an hour. 85% of the traffic travels

2001
02:20:15,923 --> 02:20:21,640
at 78 km/hour. The combination of increased traffic volume, speeding

2002
02:20:21,640 --> 02:20:25,720
alcohol consumption at the wedding events. No left turn lane

2003
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:29,160
onto the oak and vine property increase the possibility of

2004
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:34,639
traffic accidents. The municipal engineers have recommended a left turning

2005
02:20:34,639 --> 02:20:38,399
lane be completed prior to granting of the zoning application.

2006
02:20:39,964 --> 02:20:42,804
The engineering reports are based on traffic speeds of 60

2007
02:20:42,804 --> 02:20:47,004
and 70 km/hour not the actual traffic speed of closer

2008
02:20:47,004 --> 02:20:50,804
to 78 km an hour, thereby making a left turn

2009
02:20:50,804 --> 02:20:57,096
laying even more important. Simply minor shoulder widening as per

2010
02:20:57,096 --> 02:21:03,112
option c in the municipal engineers report. Or no roadwork

2011
02:21:03,112 --> 02:21:07,032
of any kind, as outlined in the private traffic report

2012
02:21:07,032 --> 02:21:12,872
commissioned by the applicants. Require ongoing monitoring of conditions and

2013
02:21:12,872 --> 02:21:17,512
installation of a turning lane if safety concerns arise. The

2014
02:21:17,512 --> 02:21:22,712
traffic safety concerns will become evident when accidents occur. We.

2015
02:21:23,062 --> 02:21:27,660
As a community should be more proactive. Thank you. Yes,

2016
02:21:27,660 --> 02:21:30,420
sir. Please call it the podium. State your name and

2017
02:21:30,420 --> 02:21:30,460
address.

2018
02:21:41,632 --> 02:21:45,632
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, councilors. My name is Rick Taylor.

2019
02:21:45,632 --> 02:21:49,952
I live at 6325 Lakes Road. I am opposed to

2020
02:21:49,952 --> 02:21:59,357
the application. And proposed bylaw, which, if implemented, will seriously

2021
02:21:59,357 --> 02:22:03,517
affect the quiet enjoyment in ownership rights of many neighbors.

2022
02:22:04,954 --> 02:22:07,714
And it is not in keeping with the existing rural

2023
02:22:07,714 --> 02:22:14,316
residential designation. An existing a two zoning which excludes commercial

2024
02:22:14,316 --> 02:22:19,654
assembly. Also, the Local Government act requires zoning bylaws to

2025
02:22:19,654 --> 02:22:24,735
be consistent with the official community plan. I believe this

2026
02:22:24,735 --> 02:22:28,535
proposed land use spot zoning is not consistent with the

2027
02:22:28,535 --> 02:22:33,454
OCP. And undermines the essence of the OCP land use.

2028
02:22:35,020 --> 02:22:41,154
In that commercial assembly. Buildings, parking spaces, infrastructure, et cetera.

2029
02:22:41,154 --> 02:22:46,074
Reduces the land base for agriculture, does not enhance food

2030
02:22:46,074 --> 02:22:51,642
security. And does not support agricultural output. Additionally, as an

2031
02:22:51,642 --> 02:22:56,122
ancillary point, properties in the ALR are allowed to have

2032
02:22:56,122 --> 02:23:00,944
this type of. Commercial assembly as long as the primary

2033
02:23:00,944 --> 02:23:07,911
purpose. And business is farm operations. However, this proposed spot

2034
02:23:07,911 --> 02:23:17,028
zoning. If implemented, is. Not appropriate. It's backwards rather than

2035
02:23:17,028 --> 02:23:23,153
primary being land use farming. Its commercial assembly. The land

2036
02:23:23,153 --> 02:23:28,513
use primarily commercial assembly and not agricultural. I submit the

2037
02:23:28,513 --> 02:23:31,833
agricultural use will be de minimis in relation to the

2038
02:23:31,833 --> 02:23:37,204
commercial assembly. Loose use. In other words, it's backwards. The

2039
02:23:37,204 --> 02:23:40,604
end result if the application is approved and the proposed

2040
02:23:40,604 --> 02:23:45,044
bylaw enacted will result in spot commerce in the middle

2041
02:23:45,044 --> 02:23:50,442
of rural residential designation. An a two zoning with agriculture

2042
02:23:50,442 --> 02:23:55,361
not enhanced, but. Probably reduced. I submit this would be

2043
02:23:55,361 --> 02:23:58,881
a bad precedent. And the thin edge of the wedge

2044
02:23:58,881 --> 02:24:03,736
for more commerce to come. However, if council approves the

2045
02:24:03,736 --> 02:24:08,048
application, And passes the bylaw, then I submit there should

2046
02:24:08,048 --> 02:24:12,968
be more oversight, including but not limited to, the following.

2047
02:24:12,968 --> 02:24:18,768
For safety reasons, the municipal engineers should finalize their roadwork

2048
02:24:18,768 --> 02:24:22,938
report. Provide an estimate for the cost. Do the work,

2049
02:24:22,938 --> 02:24:27,058
which the applicant should either pay for upfront or provide

2050
02:24:27,058 --> 02:24:31,018
security for the cost. To the municipality prior to conducting

2051
02:24:31,018 --> 02:24:35,538
any commercial assembly operations, there should be an appropriate covenant

2052
02:24:35,538 --> 02:24:40,809
registered against the land. There should only be a temporary

2053
02:24:40,809 --> 02:24:43,569
use permit to see how things go as there is

2054
02:24:43,569 --> 02:24:46,129
in the cut you off mid sentence, but you're at

2055
02:24:46,129 --> 02:24:48,489
time. You can come up again to finish. Off your

2056
02:24:48,489 --> 02:24:55,189
comments. Okay, thank you. Who'd like to step forward next?

2057
02:24:59,039 --> 02:25:04,077
Sir, if you could state your name and address. My

2058
02:25:04,077 --> 02:25:07,237
name is Zach Brown. I live at 1751 Stamps Road.

2059
02:25:09,769 --> 02:25:11,769
Good evening, everybody. I would like to thank mayor and

2060
02:25:11,769 --> 02:25:15,178
council for giving me the opportunity to speak. Tonight. I'm

2061
02:25:15,178 --> 02:25:18,258
a winemaker and grape farmer here in north Couch, and

2062
02:25:18,258 --> 02:25:21,578
I'm also the co owner of the closest combined vineyard

2063
02:25:21,578 --> 02:25:24,858
and winery to the oak and vine properly. I have

2064
02:25:24,858 --> 02:25:28,978
grape supply contracts with two additional lakes road vineyards, one

2065
02:25:28,978 --> 02:25:31,978
of which is immediately next door to the oak and

2066
02:25:31,978 --> 02:25:35,659
vine proposed wedding menu I'm here as. A professional grape

2067
02:25:35,659 --> 02:25:39,019
grower from the couch and valley. I'm the immediate past

2068
02:25:39,019 --> 02:25:42,659
president of the Wine Islands Growers Association, Wigga and current

2069
02:25:42,659 --> 02:25:46,339
Wigga board member. I am also the island's representative on

2070
02:25:46,339 --> 02:25:50,099
the British Columbia wine Industry Task Force, specifically working on

2071
02:25:50,099 --> 02:25:53,819
the province's. Plan for the long term economic survival of

2072
02:25:53,819 --> 02:25:56,751
the BC grape and wine. Industry. And I'm also a

2073
02:25:56,751 --> 02:26:00,471
past member of the North Couch in Agriculture advisory committee.

2074
02:26:02,245 --> 02:26:05,245
My wife is president of the Couch and Winery Society,

2075
02:26:05,245 --> 02:26:07,765
the group working to promote the economic success. Of the

2076
02:26:07,765 --> 02:26:11,125
couch and wine industry, which holds the Cowichan Valley's number

2077
02:26:11,125 --> 02:26:14,485
one agricultural tourism event, the couch and Valley wine festival.

2078
02:26:15,785 --> 02:26:19,343
I've read all of the available documents. The letter of

2079
02:26:19,343 --> 02:26:24,617
rationale, the engineers report. Reports. I'm also regulating on the

2080
02:26:24,617 --> 02:26:28,937
adjacent property, assisting with and advising on the vineyard farming

2081
02:26:28,937 --> 02:26:30,977
and. Have been able to see the condition of the

2082
02:26:30,977 --> 02:26:32,817
vines at the oak and vine property for several years.

2083
02:26:34,524 --> 02:26:36,964
As they are not active members of the couch and

2084
02:26:36,964 --> 02:26:40,625
grape farming community. I have never met the proponents. I

2085
02:26:40,625 --> 02:26:43,625
bring the following perspective here tonight. I am here to

2086
02:26:43,625 --> 02:26:46,945
voiced council concerns we have with the proposed zoning amendment

2087
02:26:46,945 --> 02:26:52,104
to allow ten events, essentially. Most weekends throughout the summer,

2088
02:26:52,104 --> 02:26:54,224
and the impact this will have on our industry, business

2089
02:26:54,224 --> 02:26:57,997
and community. This will take longer than three minutes, so

2090
02:26:57,997 --> 02:27:02,447
I will keep coming back up. In the proponent's letter

2091
02:27:02,447 --> 02:27:05,967
of rationale, the primary justification for the zoning variance is

2092
02:27:05,967 --> 02:27:10,207
the lack of wedding venues in the couch and valley.

2093
02:27:10,207 --> 02:27:12,527
I was surprised by this assumption as there are currently

2094
02:27:12,527 --> 02:27:15,527
several wineries capable of hosting weddings in the couch and

2095
02:27:15,527 --> 02:27:18,687
valley. I'm also aware that another winery has just made

2096
02:27:18,687 --> 02:27:22,655
substantial capital investment in their. Grounds and facilities to do

2097
02:27:22,655 --> 02:27:25,655
just that. They plan to start hosting weddings for the

2098
02:27:25,655 --> 02:27:29,135
2026 season. There are other wineries in a cider in

2099
02:27:29,135 --> 02:27:33,006
the south valley capable of hosting weddings. Two other wineries

2100
02:27:33,006 --> 02:27:35,086
have recently sold, and the new owners are working on

2101
02:27:35,086 --> 02:27:38,006
their plans for the future, which may include events such

2102
02:27:38,006 --> 02:27:41,486
as weddings. Additionally, there are three wineries currently for sale

2103
02:27:41,486 --> 02:27:44,997
in north couch. And another which has a commercial kitchen,

2104
02:27:44,997 --> 02:27:48,985
an event bistro for sale in the CVRD. I got

2105
02:27:48,985 --> 02:27:55,107
15 seconds left. I'll come back 10 seconds and come

2106
02:27:55,107 --> 02:27:59,233
back again. So, any other first time speakers? Yes, ma'am.

2107
02:27:59,233 --> 02:28:00,873
If you want to step forward, state your. Name and

2108
02:28:00,873 --> 02:28:08,350
address. Hi. Good evening, Mary and council. I'm Tasha. 3065

2109
02:28:08,350 --> 02:28:13,661
Mountain Road. I am here to express my strong support

2110
02:28:13,661 --> 02:28:16,141
for oak and vine as a wedding and event value.

2111
02:28:16,141 --> 02:28:18,741
Venue in the couch and valley. I am a makeup

2112
02:28:18,741 --> 02:28:22,141
artist who's worked throughout the Calichen Valley for many years.

2113
02:28:22,141 --> 02:28:25,971
Worked with Masika many, many times, many years. Of all

2114
02:28:25,971 --> 02:28:28,051
the venues I've experienced, oak and vine stands out as

2115
02:28:28,051 --> 02:28:31,747
one of my absolute favorites. The most professional spaces to

2116
02:28:31,747 --> 02:28:34,227
work in. I've been on site many times over the

2117
02:28:34,227 --> 02:28:38,595
years. And. It consistently provides an exceptional environment for creativity,

2118
02:28:38,595 --> 02:28:42,555
collaboration and connection with clients. The bookings and photo shoots

2119
02:28:42,555 --> 02:28:45,715
I complete at Oak and Vine directly contribute to my

2120
02:28:45,715 --> 02:28:49,112
livelihood and help support my family. As do many of

2121
02:28:49,112 --> 02:28:52,798
the other vendors here. It supports them as well. Through

2122
02:28:52,798 --> 02:28:54,958
my work, I have had the opportunity to see a

2123
02:28:54,958 --> 02:28:58,598
wide range of venues and work alongside many venue owners.

2124
02:28:58,598 --> 02:29:02,078
I can confidently say that Masika's dedication to oak and

2125
02:29:02,078 --> 02:29:06,038
vine is unmatched. She has put extraordinary care and attention

2126
02:29:06,038 --> 02:29:09,078
into every detail. Along with following all the rules and

2127
02:29:09,078 --> 02:29:12,794
puggling all the permits. Into every detail, and I'm sure

2128
02:29:12,794 --> 02:29:16,234
weddings run smoothly and guests have an exceptional experience from

2129
02:29:16,234 --> 02:29:18,594
the moment you arrive through the gates. The atmosphere is

2130
02:29:18,594 --> 02:29:22,474
welcoming, elegant and thoughtfully designed. The property is perfectly set

2131
02:29:22,474 --> 02:29:25,834
up for events and highly sought after by future couples.

2132
02:29:25,834 --> 02:29:29,354
The Kawachan Valley is widely recognized as a wedding destination,

2133
02:29:29,354 --> 02:29:32,445
couples are drawn here by the natural. Beauty, charm and

2134
02:29:32,445 --> 02:29:35,725
sense of community. However, in recent years, several wedding venues

2135
02:29:35,725 --> 02:29:39,365
have closed, sadly, which has been a significant loss to

2136
02:29:39,365 --> 02:29:42,325
our local wedding and hospitality industry. We are in need

2137
02:29:42,325 --> 02:29:45,885
of more venues. Not fewer. Many weddings hosted in the

2138
02:29:45,885 --> 02:29:49,125
Valley bring guests from out of town, which directly supports

2139
02:29:49,125 --> 02:29:53,882
local hotels, guest houses, restaurant. Restaurants, shops, cafes and service

2140
02:29:53,882 --> 02:29:57,722
providers like myself. Weddings are a meaningful economic driver for

2141
02:29:57,722 --> 02:30:00,682
our region and turning them away means turning away vital

2142
02:30:00,682 --> 02:30:04,842
revenue for local businesses. Okenvine is exactly the kind of

2143
02:30:04,842 --> 02:30:08,202
venue that the couch and valley needs a stunning professionally

2144
02:30:08,202 --> 02:30:11,522
run space that attracts couples and their guests while contributing

2145
02:30:11,522 --> 02:30:15,522
positive. Deeply to the local economy. I strongly encourage North

2146
02:30:15,522 --> 02:30:18,682
Couch and council to support this venue and allow it

2147
02:30:18,682 --> 02:30:22,389
to continue hosting weddings. And events. And I just like

2148
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:24,469
to say on the noise, I've been there many times.

2149
02:30:26,209 --> 02:30:28,089
I've heard all the noise blocking that they've taken to

2150
02:30:28,089 --> 02:30:30,209
the structure and stuff. And I don't know if any

2151
02:30:30,209 --> 02:30:35,244
of you guys have ever walked through. The venue. It's

2152
02:30:35,244 --> 02:30:38,084
a classy place. It's a big barn. That's. Going to

2153
02:30:38,084 --> 02:30:42,484
hold small events. 80 people is a small wedding, but

2154
02:30:42,484 --> 02:30:44,404
it's not going to be a bunch of hillbillies partying

2155
02:30:44,404 --> 02:30:46,724
all weekend in a barn. It's a nice place that

2156
02:30:46,724 --> 02:30:52,487
attracts classy people. Respectful people, and I'm fully in support

2157
02:30:52,487 --> 02:30:55,207
of it, as I'm sure that most of the other

2158
02:30:55,207 --> 02:30:58,525
local vendors would be because. We need more weddings here,

2159
02:30:58,525 --> 02:31:01,863
not less. Thank you. All right, who would like to

2160
02:31:01,863 --> 02:31:10,498
step forward next? State your name and address. Good evening,

2161
02:31:10,498 --> 02:31:13,458
mayor and council. My name is Garninder Sandu. I live

2162
02:31:13,458 --> 02:31:19,058
at 6350. Woodland Drive, 260 meters from Oregon wine. I

2163
02:31:19,058 --> 02:31:21,338
am close enough that I can see the new barn,

2164
02:31:21,338 --> 02:31:24,018
the new lounge space they're advertising for my front yard.

2165
02:31:30,210 --> 02:31:31,810
I have laid in the couch and valley for over

2166
02:31:31,810 --> 02:31:35,690
58 years and over 37 years on woodland since it

2167
02:31:35,690 --> 02:31:40,009
was first developed. It's a great place to live. I

2168
02:31:40,009 --> 02:31:41,889
lived here in the winery operated and it was not

2169
02:31:41,889 --> 02:31:44,649
an issue. They did not hold events. I'm not opposed

2170
02:31:44,649 --> 02:31:47,769
to having a winery again, but I am opposed to

2171
02:31:47,769 --> 02:31:51,609
the zoning amendment. A commercial event center is not suitable

2172
02:31:51,609 --> 02:31:55,719
in our quiet residential area. I am speaking today to

2173
02:31:55,719 --> 02:31:59,328
address the record of sport for this application. Which I

2174
02:31:59,328 --> 02:32:07,096
believe is misleading. The written submission. Realist. Start, divide. S

2175
02:32:07,096 --> 02:32:09,576
at 01:00 p.m. today. The majority of our letter sport

2176
02:32:09,576 --> 02:32:12,456
come from individuals who do not live anywhere near the

2177
02:32:12,456 --> 02:32:17,903
property. Only four are within 350 meters. 17 of those

2178
02:32:17,903 --> 02:32:21,783
letters came from outside of north Couch and entirely or

2179
02:32:21,783 --> 02:32:25,943
don't include a location at all, including professional from as

2180
02:32:25,943 --> 02:32:30,976
far away as Campbell river, comarks and even Calgary. These

2181
02:32:30,976 --> 02:32:34,416
individuals are stakeholders in the business industry and not stakeholders

2182
02:32:34,416 --> 02:32:38,932
in our neighborhoods daily quality of life. In contrast, the

2183
02:32:38,932 --> 02:32:44,964
opposition is entirely. Comprised of those with the immediate 350

2184
02:32:44,964 --> 02:32:49,564
meters radius, 16 letters representing people who will actually hear

2185
02:32:49,564 --> 02:32:54,044
the noise, navigate that traffic surgeon narrow, scenic road and

2186
02:32:54,044 --> 02:32:58,498
where the impact of their property values. One of the

2187
02:32:58,498 --> 02:33:01,058
only two letters from outside north Couch is from a

2188
02:33:01,058 --> 02:33:06,645
former neighbor with Greg and ralbut experience. With this location.

2189
02:33:06,645 --> 02:33:11,485
The remaining 19 are from within Couchin. Furthermore, the lattice

2190
02:33:11,485 --> 02:33:15,485
of sport rely on the personal goodwill of the current

2191
02:33:15,485 --> 02:33:19,485
operator. This is a critical oversight. Zoning is not a

2192
02:33:19,485 --> 02:33:23,125
personal license. It is a permanent right that carries with

2193
02:33:23,125 --> 02:33:27,010
the land. If this amendment is passed, it remains in

2194
02:33:27,010 --> 02:33:31,232
place regardless of who owns the property. You're being asked

2195
02:33:31,232 --> 02:33:36,832
to approve permanent commercial assembly used in a residential zone

2196
02:33:36,832 --> 02:33:39,952
where the municipal emits. It lacks specific noise and even

2197
02:33:39,952 --> 02:33:45,894
regulation to ensure enforcement. While sporters believe that current owners

2198
02:33:45,894 --> 02:33:49,254
are responsible, there is no guarantee that the next owners

2199
02:33:49,254 --> 02:33:53,334
will be without reinforceable rules. We are effectively handing a

2200
02:33:53,334 --> 02:33:56,494
blank check to any future operator to run. A commercial

2201
02:33:56,494 --> 02:34:00,974
venue in the heart of a quiet, rural neighborhood. We

2202
02:34:00,974 --> 02:34:04,457
must not prioritize the convenience of an industry. And the

2203
02:34:04,457 --> 02:34:07,537
opinion of those who live kilometers away over the right

2204
02:34:07,537 --> 02:34:10,697
of the neighbors who live right. Next door. I urge

2205
02:34:10,697 --> 02:34:13,657
council to reject this permanent amendment in favor of the

2206
02:34:13,657 --> 02:34:21,792
established planning framework and protect. You for listening. State your

2207
02:34:21,792 --> 02:34:30,310
name and address. I will. Kind of trick me.

2208
02:34:35,011 --> 02:34:38,131
Hi. Good evening, Mary and council. I'm Aaron Brownlee, and

2209
02:34:38,131 --> 02:34:42,371
I live at 2261. Woodland Drive 150 meters from oak

2210
02:34:42,371 --> 02:34:46,611
and vine. Party to barn. I am opposed to allowing

2211
02:34:46,611 --> 02:34:50,491
oconbine commercial events center to operate in our nearby neighborhood.

2212
02:34:50,491 --> 02:34:52,651
I've lived in this neighborhood for 15 and a half

2213
02:34:52,651 --> 02:34:56,503
years and I've enjoyed this beautiful, quiet. Area. The applicant

2214
02:34:56,503 --> 02:34:59,583
moved here about ten years ago, knowing that the zoning

2215
02:34:59,583 --> 02:35:03,063
did not allow for an event center, but has been

2216
02:35:03,063 --> 02:35:06,743
trying to change that ever since. She's well aware of

2217
02:35:06,743 --> 02:35:10,143
the majority of the nearby neighbors that are strongly opposed.

2218
02:35:10,143 --> 02:35:14,023
There have been three separate petitions of nearby neighbors completed

2219
02:35:14,023 --> 02:35:17,167
over the last eight years. That are proof. Yet she

2220
02:35:17,167 --> 02:35:20,687
continues to try and promote her personal goals, despite the

2221
02:35:20,687 --> 02:35:25,397
obvious neighborhood opposition. In all these years, she has never

2222
02:35:25,397 --> 02:35:29,397
once knocked on any door in our very nearby street

2223
02:35:29,397 --> 02:35:32,860
to discuss this issue. She claims to care about the

2224
02:35:32,860 --> 02:35:37,946
neighborhood, but her actions speak differently. Their property is very

2225
02:35:37,946 --> 02:35:40,706
small for this type of activity, and it's surrounded by

2226
02:35:40,706 --> 02:35:45,685
residential homes. On all sides. It is unfair for one

2227
02:35:45,685 --> 02:35:48,885
property owner to negatively affect the rights of so many

2228
02:35:48,885 --> 02:35:52,605
others to enjoy the use of their homes and backyards.

2229
02:35:52,605 --> 02:35:55,525
Those homes, including mine, are going to be disrupted for

2230
02:35:55,525 --> 02:35:59,245
full weekends all summer as their advertising events. They go

2231
02:35:59,245 --> 02:36:03,485
from Friday afternoon to Sunday. The weekend package includes two

2232
02:36:03,485 --> 02:36:08,683
parties. Within 48 hours. This will required two liquor licenses

2233
02:36:08,683 --> 02:36:12,310
and should be counted as two events. Claims that the

2234
02:36:12,310 --> 02:36:16,070
soundproof barn will solve all the noise issue are unreasonable

2235
02:36:16,070 --> 02:36:18,910
on a warm spring or summer evening. People will want

2236
02:36:18,910 --> 02:36:22,710
to gravitate outdoors. I was recently at my own daughter's.

2237
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:25,990
Wedding, and it was impossible to talk above the music,

2238
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:29,110
so a lot of folks were outside visiting. You cannot

2239
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:32,573
lock people inside the barn, especially. If you want good

2240
02:36:32,573 --> 02:36:37,470
reviews. Their letter of rationale offloads all the responsibility onto

2241
02:36:37,470 --> 02:36:40,030
the bride and grim the idea. That the bride and

2242
02:36:40,030 --> 02:36:42,470
groom are going to keep people in check instead of

2243
02:36:42,470 --> 02:36:47,788
enjoying their party. That they've paid for is ridiculous. This

2244
02:36:47,788 --> 02:36:50,508
is also a land use issue. I believe that if

2245
02:36:50,508 --> 02:36:53,868
the zoning amendment is approved, then the applicants decide not

2246
02:36:53,868 --> 02:36:57,028
to farm to produce crops. This will result in the

2247
02:36:57,028 --> 02:37:01,108
vines and the lavender being solely used for photo ops,

2248
02:37:01,108 --> 02:37:04,468
there are no mechanisms in place to ensure the land

2249
02:37:04,468 --> 02:37:08,454
is used as intended for farming, therefore. They would still

2250
02:37:08,454 --> 02:37:11,774
get the tax breaks and keep their farm status without

2251
02:37:11,774 --> 02:37:15,374
putting in the strenuous farming. It seems like they're being

2252
02:37:15,374 --> 02:37:20,214
handed a golden ticket that no other hardworking farmers are.

2253
02:37:20,214 --> 02:37:23,891
Why is that? This is not an appropriate location for

2254
02:37:23,891 --> 02:37:27,571
this type of commercial venue. If this was your neighborhood,

2255
02:37:27,571 --> 02:37:30,731
I have no doubt you would find this unacceptable as

2256
02:37:30,731 --> 02:37:34,291
well. Council should protect the rights of our neighborhood. And

2257
02:37:34,291 --> 02:37:38,829
our local farmers and reject this permanent zoning. Thank you.

2258
02:37:39,971 --> 02:37:43,916
Who would like to step forward next? State your name

2259
02:37:43,916 --> 02:37:48,830
and address. Good evening, Mary and council. My name is

2260
02:37:48,830 --> 02:37:53,230
Susie Jorgensen, and I live at 6367. Woodland Drive. I

2261
02:37:53,230 --> 02:37:56,990
moved to north Couch and specifically to escape a situation

2262
02:37:56,990 --> 02:38:00,030
where a nearby wedding venue in north Sanith grew from

2263
02:38:00,030 --> 02:38:04,590
a few quiet events into a major operation that impacted

2264
02:38:04,590 --> 02:38:08,780
our neighborhood. To the point where people. Actually moved. We

2265
02:38:08,780 --> 02:38:12,820
understand firsthand how quickly well intended use can become permanent

2266
02:38:12,820 --> 02:38:17,620
disruptions if not properly managed. I'm speaking tonight to oppose

2267
02:38:17,620 --> 02:38:21,820
the rezoning. While the staff report suggests a temporary use

2268
02:38:21,820 --> 02:38:26,997
permit is no longer appropriate. We believe this conclusion relies

2269
02:38:26,997 --> 02:38:31,037
on a narrow and incomplete interpretation of our official community

2270
02:38:31,037 --> 02:38:35,387
plan. The previous. Tup for this site occurred during the

2271
02:38:35,387 --> 02:38:40,547
Covid-19 pandemic. Even the applicants have acknowledged that those were

2272
02:38:40,547 --> 02:38:43,947
not normal operations. We have yet to see that this

2273
02:38:43,947 --> 02:38:48,787
business truly impacts the neighborhood under full capacity post pandemic

2274
02:38:48,787 --> 02:38:55,055
conditions. The OCP on page 148 explicitly states that the

2275
02:38:55,055 --> 02:38:59,015
tups are a good way of authorizing a new use

2276
02:38:59,015 --> 02:39:03,655
to allow the municipality to access potential impact before considering

2277
02:39:03,655 --> 02:39:08,285
any permanent changes. It is premature to grant a permanent

2278
02:39:08,285 --> 02:39:11,805
rezoning with the only testing done so far happen. During

2279
02:39:11,805 --> 02:39:15,685
a global lockdown. We must see how it functions under

2280
02:39:15,685 --> 02:39:19,725
normal conditions before we make it. Permanent page two of

2281
02:39:19,725 --> 02:39:24,005
the staff report. Limit the definition of tips to use

2282
02:39:24,005 --> 02:39:30,503
that are temporary, occasional. And seasonal. However, Disregards the final

2283
02:39:30,503 --> 02:39:34,543
clause of the OCP section 11.2, which states tops may

2284
02:39:34,543 --> 02:39:39,503
be issued for any other temporary use not otherwise permitted

2285
02:39:39,503 --> 02:39:43,823
by the zoning bylaw. Leaving out that specific clause changes

2286
02:39:43,823 --> 02:39:47,726
the entire context of the decision before you. At the

2287
02:39:47,726 --> 02:39:50,926
December 17 meeting, it was clear that this information influenced

2288
02:39:50,926 --> 02:39:56,166
the table where a counselor here interpreted expressed interest in

2289
02:39:56,166 --> 02:39:59,286
the top, but appeared to change their mind based on

2290
02:39:59,286 --> 02:40:04,135
the incomplete information. In reality, the OCP provides you with

2291
02:40:04,135 --> 02:40:08,415
the exact tools needed to manage this situation without jumping

2292
02:40:08,415 --> 02:40:13,935
into a permanent rezoning. Finally, the logic that building upgrades

2293
02:40:13,935 --> 02:40:19,226
precluded the top is flawed. The building was preexisting and

2294
02:40:19,226 --> 02:40:22,266
has hosted other uses, like a home based photography business.

2295
02:40:23,680 --> 02:40:29,000
Staff previously warned in 2020 that substantial investment might entrench

2296
02:40:29,000 --> 02:40:32,720
the use. However, the owners made those investments knowing the

2297
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:36,080
risk. We should not be forced into a permanent rezoning

2298
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:40,433
simply because. An owner chose to invest in a temporary

2299
02:40:40,433 --> 02:40:44,459
venture. A tep remains the correct tool to keep this

2300
02:40:44,459 --> 02:40:48,699
use on probation. I urge council to reject this rezoning,

2301
02:40:48,699 --> 02:40:51,979
let us use a top for its intended time. Thank

2302
02:40:51,979 --> 02:40:55,519
you. Thank you. Thank you. We'd like to step forward

2303
02:40:55,519 --> 02:40:55,559
next.

2304
02:41:09,593 --> 02:41:13,723
You can state your name and address. Yes. Hello. My

2305
02:41:13,723 --> 02:41:16,843
name is Brittany Foot. I live at 43 Lois Lane

2306
02:41:16,843 --> 02:41:22,811
in Duncan. I'm here as a member of this community,

2307
02:41:22,811 --> 02:41:25,251
born and raised in the Kawachan. Valley and also a

2308
02:41:25,251 --> 02:41:29,372
close friend of Masika and Randy. I can speak endlessly

2309
02:41:29,372 --> 02:41:31,612
about the character of Masika. As someone who has known

2310
02:41:31,612 --> 02:41:35,361
her for almost two decades. She is thoughtful, creative, caring,

2311
02:41:35,361 --> 02:41:37,481
and puts her whole heart and soul into everything that

2312
02:41:37,481 --> 02:41:39,987
she does. Getting to know Randy, I can say he

2313
02:41:39,987 --> 02:41:42,427
is one of the kindest, most genuine and hardworking men

2314
02:41:42,427 --> 02:41:45,498
that I know. Every time I go over to my

2315
02:41:45,498 --> 02:41:47,978
Sikh and Randy's place, they have been hard at work.

2316
02:41:47,978 --> 02:41:52,181
Weeding, planting, raking, until the light goes down. I've watched

2317
02:41:52,181 --> 02:41:55,501
Masika and Randy build oak and vine estate with intention

2318
02:41:55,501 --> 02:41:58,876
care, and so much heart. This is about creating a

2319
02:41:58,876 --> 02:42:02,996
place that feels welcoming, thoughtful and genuinely special. A place

2320
02:42:02,996 --> 02:42:05,636
where people can come together to celebrate moments that matter.

2321
02:42:09,674 --> 02:42:12,714
I'll admit I'm a hopeless romantic, so I love the

2322
02:42:12,714 --> 02:42:15,114
idea of people falling. In love, getting married and beginning

2323
02:42:15,114 --> 02:42:19,221
their lives together right here in the valley. These moments

2324
02:42:19,221 --> 02:42:22,941
are about family. They're about bringing generations together, creating memories

2325
02:42:22,941 --> 02:42:25,741
that stay with people. For years. Oak and vine offers

2326
02:42:25,741 --> 02:42:29,461
a setting that feels elegant, calm, deeply meaningful for those

2327
02:42:29,461 --> 02:42:32,221
kinds of celebrations. It's the kind of place families return

2328
02:42:32,221 --> 02:42:38,266
to in photos, stories long after the celebration. Itself. Mazika

2329
02:42:38,266 --> 02:42:41,026
and Randy have put an incredible amount of thought into

2330
02:42:41,026 --> 02:42:44,979
this vision. Into how this vision would move forward. They

2331
02:42:44,979 --> 02:42:47,699
care deeply about building something they can stand behind and

2332
02:42:47,699 --> 02:42:51,931
something that adds value. Our community and council should be

2333
02:42:51,931 --> 02:42:55,771
proud to champion small businesses and family run places that

2334
02:42:55,771 --> 02:42:59,291
support local vendors, create job opportunities close to home and

2335
02:42:59,291 --> 02:43:03,122
bring life and joy into our Valley. We should be

2336
02:43:03,122 --> 02:43:06,002
encouraging people who want to build beautiful spaces where families

2337
02:43:06,002 --> 02:43:10,162
come together and milestones. Are celebrated. I've seen how personal

2338
02:43:10,162 --> 02:43:12,322
this is for them. This isn't just a project. It's

2339
02:43:12,322 --> 02:43:15,322
something they believe in deeply and have worked toward with

2340
02:43:15,322 --> 02:43:19,282
patience and care. Supporting oak and vine estate means supporting

2341
02:43:19,282 --> 02:43:22,282
local people, local families and moments that strengthen the fabric.

2342
02:43:22,920 --> 02:43:26,735
Of our community. I strongly encourage council will support this

2343
02:43:26,735 --> 02:43:29,655
application and allow this vision to move forward. Thank you

2344
02:43:29,655 --> 02:43:34,415
for your time. Thank you. We'd like to set forward

2345
02:43:34,415 --> 02:43:42,208
next. State your name and address. All right. Good evening,

2346
02:43:42,208 --> 02:43:44,688
mayor and council. My name is Kerri Nungren, and I

2347
02:43:44,688 --> 02:43:48,568
live at 6392 Lakes road. I want to thank staff

2348
02:43:48,568 --> 02:43:52,688
for providing the additional legal analysis for this hearing. In

2349
02:43:52,688 --> 02:43:56,488
an effort to be reasonable, we as neighbors spent considerable

2350
02:43:56,488 --> 02:44:00,123
time and money exploring the legal complex. Complexities and options

2351
02:44:00,123 --> 02:44:04,563
for compromise, and we appreciate it being considered. The additional

2352
02:44:04,563 --> 02:44:07,483
report answers some questions but it also raises new and

2353
02:44:07,483 --> 02:44:11,403
serious concerns, particularly around liquor service, which is one of

2354
02:44:11,403 --> 02:44:16,061
the highest impact factors for neighborhood disturbance. If this property

2355
02:44:16,061 --> 02:44:19,701
were a winery, a permanent liquor license would be required.

2356
02:44:19,701 --> 02:44:22,061
We tried to find something. That would be similarly tied

2357
02:44:22,061 --> 02:44:25,781
to the establishment. But staff have confirmed that isn't possible,

2358
02:44:25,781 --> 02:44:28,821
which leaves us with the special event permit system, which

2359
02:44:28,821 --> 02:44:33,413
provides no continuity or accountability. Each step is taken out

2360
02:44:33,413 --> 02:44:36,133
by the event host, often an out of town wedding

2361
02:44:36,133 --> 02:44:39,373
party. That leaves after the event. Each host is new

2362
02:44:39,373 --> 02:44:42,493
and the venue operators bear no responsibility for the liquor

2363
02:44:42,493 --> 02:44:47,578
service. That happens on their property. This creates inconsistent oversight

2364
02:44:47,578 --> 02:44:51,938
and a higher risk of alcohol related disturbances. Compounding this,

2365
02:44:51,938 --> 02:44:55,458
the report confirms that the municipality has no authority to

2366
02:44:55,458 --> 02:44:59,666
review. Comment on or refuse these steps. This means there

2367
02:44:59,666 --> 02:45:03,466
are no proactive tools to prevent problems. No way to

2368
02:45:03,466 --> 02:45:07,266
respond to patterns of concerning activity and no ability to

2369
02:45:07,266 --> 02:45:12,407
integrate liquor oversight into the business. License. Liquor service also

2370
02:45:12,407 --> 02:45:16,407
complicates the definition of a 24 hours event. Staff reference

2371
02:45:16,407 --> 02:45:19,967
the rehearsal and people walking around as ancillary. But the

2372
02:45:19,967 --> 02:45:23,607
advertised wedding package includes the cocktail party, the night before,

2373
02:45:23,607 --> 02:45:27,887
which is not an equivalent activity. We believe anything requiring

2374
02:45:27,887 --> 02:45:30,447
its own liquor permits should be. Counted as a second

2375
02:45:30,447 --> 02:45:33,636
event. Not an ancillary use for the 24 hours period.

2376
02:45:34,885 --> 02:45:38,005
Beyond liquor. The report also shows that a good neighbor

2377
02:45:38,005 --> 02:45:43,263
agreement is a weak enforcement mechanism. A GNA binds only

2378
02:45:43,263 --> 02:45:47,023
the signing operator. And this is really important because this

2379
02:45:47,023 --> 02:45:50,623
is not about this operator. It's about all the future

2380
02:45:50,623 --> 02:45:54,063
owners as well. We are being asked to trust. That

2381
02:45:54,063 --> 02:45:57,663
a GNa will address impacts without even knowing what terms

2382
02:45:57,663 --> 02:46:01,695
it's going to contain. If council is inclined to use

2383
02:46:01,695 --> 02:46:05,575
this. The staff report suggests more permanent tools are necessary

2384
02:46:05,575 --> 02:46:09,215
to bridge these gaps. The business license bylaw needs specific

2385
02:46:09,215 --> 02:46:13,873
amendments to give the inspector clear authority. And to ensure

2386
02:46:13,873 --> 02:46:16,153
protections like music, cut off times and the limit of

2387
02:46:16,153 --> 02:46:19,073
ten events per year permanent it must be registered on

2388
02:46:19,073 --> 02:46:22,513
property title using a covenant. All of these issues point

2389
02:46:22,513 --> 02:46:25,793
to a broader concern if a land use requires this

2390
02:46:25,793 --> 02:46:30,153
level of legal complexity, uncertainty, and enforcement difficulty just to

2391
02:46:30,153 --> 02:46:33,490
function it is a strong indication that. The use is

2392
02:46:33,490 --> 02:46:37,572
not appropriate for this location. For these reasons, I respectfully

2393
02:46:37,572 --> 02:46:40,732
ask council to reject the application or at least consider

2394
02:46:40,732 --> 02:46:43,132
a temporary use permit to allow time to figure this

2395
02:46:43,132 --> 02:46:46,591
out. Thank you. Man. If you come to the podium,

2396
02:46:46,591 --> 02:46:52,166
state your name and address. Good evening, mayor council. My

2397
02:46:52,166 --> 02:46:55,766
name is Brenda Schneider. I live at 2258 Woodland Drive.

2398
02:47:01,555 --> 02:47:05,395
And a 240 meters from the property in question, and

2399
02:47:05,395 --> 02:47:08,795
I've lived there for over 20 years. I'm opposed to

2400
02:47:08,795 --> 02:47:14,137
the permanent zoning amendment application that would allow wedding. And

2401
02:47:14,137 --> 02:47:21,487
events. Business to operate. In our rural residential neighborhood. This

2402
02:47:21,487 --> 02:47:23,647
type of business is not suited to this area, with

2403
02:47:23,647 --> 02:47:28,567
its large numbers of people creating noise. And traffic issues

2404
02:47:28,567 --> 02:47:32,989
on an already very busy road. Please consider the many

2405
02:47:32,989 --> 02:47:37,069
close neighbors who will be negatively impacted by changing the

2406
02:47:37,069 --> 02:47:41,749
zoning with no bylaws to control future problems. I ask

2407
02:47:41,749 --> 02:47:44,909
that you deny the application. Allow us to continue to

2408
02:47:44,909 --> 02:47:48,229
live in our quiet, peaceful neighborhood. Thank you very much.

2409
02:47:49,630 --> 02:47:54,918
Who'd like to step forward next? Sir, if you could

2410
02:47:54,918 --> 02:47:58,516
state your name and address. My name is Andrew Boudrow,

2411
02:47:58,516 --> 02:48:02,676
and I live at 2265 Woodland Drive, about 180 meters.

2412
02:48:02,676 --> 02:48:05,716
From the subject property, roughly the width of our Walmart

2413
02:48:05,716 --> 02:48:10,556
parking lot, or about 1.8 american football fields away. Walt

2414
02:48:10,556 --> 02:48:13,276
may appear from Lakes Road that there is a considerable,

2415
02:48:13,276 --> 02:48:18,848
considerable distance between. The. Property narrows and angles toward my

2416
02:48:18,848 --> 02:48:21,912
home. At the point where the venue sits. The property

2417
02:48:21,912 --> 02:48:24,952
is only about 77 meters wide and is very close

2418
02:48:24,952 --> 02:48:28,232
to the property line facing us. I'm here to oppose

2419
02:48:28,232 --> 02:48:32,392
the rezoning application. For this event venue. As an example,

2420
02:48:32,392 --> 02:48:35,072
I also hear Gordon the rooster very clearly as I'm

2421
02:48:35,072 --> 02:48:37,912
sitting in my hot tub having my morning coffee. So

2422
02:48:37,912 --> 02:48:40,552
that's a clear indication of how well sound travels between.

2423
02:48:40,798 --> 02:48:43,918
That in the first slide showing the overlay of the

2424
02:48:43,918 --> 02:48:48,963
properties you can see my backyard in. That slide. I

2425
02:48:48,963 --> 02:48:52,843
support small businesses and shop local whenever possible. My wife

2426
02:48:52,843 --> 02:48:55,403
has operated a small business in this community for 20

2427
02:48:55,403 --> 02:48:58,563
years. I would agree that the applicant has a beautiful

2428
02:48:58,563 --> 02:49:02,483
property that is suited for wedding ceremonies, and I don't

2429
02:49:02,483 --> 02:49:05,123
think anyone would be opposed to wedding ceremonies being held

2430
02:49:05,123 --> 02:49:07,963
on the subject property that ended late afternoon or early.

2431
02:49:08,962 --> 02:49:12,968
Evening. My concern is with the receptions. This property is

2432
02:49:12,968 --> 02:49:15,888
simply too small and too close to multiple homes to

2433
02:49:15,888 --> 02:49:20,888
accommodate wedding receptions without impacting. Nearby residents right to peaceful

2434
02:49:20,888 --> 02:49:24,488
enjoyment of their property. Other venues in the region are

2435
02:49:24,488 --> 02:49:28,928
at least five times larger and provide meaningful buffer distances.

2436
02:49:28,928 --> 02:49:33,960
This one does not. I. Toured the proposed reception space

2437
02:49:33,960 --> 02:49:36,920
in November and was generally surprised at how small it

2438
02:49:36,920 --> 02:49:40,920
is for 80 guests. It is unrealistic to believe that

2439
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:44,040
noise can be contained in such a setting. Noise? Will

2440
02:49:44,040 --> 02:49:47,240
occur as guests arrive and leave from doors opening, from

2441
02:49:47,240 --> 02:49:51,920
people socializing outside and movement to parking areas, especially during

2442
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:55,973
the summer. Evenings when people naturally want to be outdoors.

2443
02:49:55,973 --> 02:49:58,973
During the visit, the applicant also acknowledged that noise could

2444
02:49:58,973 --> 02:50:02,133
not be contained and even expressed concern on whether this

2445
02:50:02,133 --> 02:50:04,373
would work for him while he was living. On the

2446
02:50:04,373 --> 02:50:08,699
property during events. I'm also greatly concerned with the temporary

2447
02:50:08,699 --> 02:50:12,139
liquor licensing being the responsibility of the hosts and not

2448
02:50:12,139 --> 02:50:16,219
the property owner. There is no designated space for alcohol

2449
02:50:16,219 --> 02:50:20,139
consumption and the links events would require multiple temporary permits

2450
02:50:20,139 --> 02:50:24,099
that also require the permit holder to remain solder or

2451
02:50:24,099 --> 02:50:27,399
soberth the whole time. Is it our expectation that the

2452
02:50:27,399 --> 02:50:29,679
bride and goom are going to remain sober during their

2453
02:50:29,679 --> 02:50:33,879
own wedding. It's very unlikely. This really presents a huge

2454
02:50:33,879 --> 02:50:37,340
risk to our community. I'm asking the council to consider

2455
02:50:37,340 --> 02:50:40,260
a temporary use permit, not as a second chance for.

2456
02:50:40,260 --> 02:50:42,420
The applicant, but as a second chance for the community.

2457
02:50:44,690 --> 02:50:47,850
To understand real world impacts, risk and enforcement before making

2458
02:50:47,850 --> 02:50:51,210
a permanent change. I'm asking for a second change, a

2459
02:50:51,210 --> 02:50:54,690
second chance myself under that tup to provide the necessary

2460
02:50:54,690 --> 02:50:58,090
feedback to make sure that this works for our community.

2461
02:50:58,090 --> 02:51:02,897
Thank you. Thank you. All right, who would like to

2462
02:51:02,897 --> 02:51:11,612
set for next? Yeah. Okay.

2463
02:51:12,958 --> 02:51:15,238
Is this already on? Yes. Hi. I'm going to try

2464
02:51:15,238 --> 02:51:18,158
and do this without waking up. My baby here. I'm

2465
02:51:18,158 --> 02:51:21,118
Sarah Davis. I love it. 2263 Rosewood Avenue. So I

2466
02:51:21,118 --> 02:51:23,318
am. A couple of kilometers down the road from the

2467
02:51:23,318 --> 02:51:27,344
venue there. I'm here to speak in support of the

2468
02:51:27,344 --> 02:51:30,984
zoning amendment. As someone who has known Masika for over

2469
02:51:30,984 --> 02:51:33,367
30 years. I would like to first speak to her

2470
02:51:33,367 --> 02:51:36,487
character as I understand that has been called into question.

2471
02:51:36,487 --> 02:51:39,901
At previous meetings. And I'd like to say that Masika

2472
02:51:39,901 --> 02:51:43,181
is someone who truly shows up for people. She shows

2473
02:51:43,181 --> 02:51:45,901
up for her family and friends, for her clients and

2474
02:51:45,901 --> 02:51:49,181
for this community. She can always be relied upon to

2475
02:51:49,181 --> 02:51:52,425
do what she says she's going to do. She invests

2476
02:51:52,425 --> 02:51:56,905
her time and energy volunteering on committees and contributing in

2477
02:51:56,905 --> 02:52:00,385
meaningful ways to make the Kauchen valley a better place

2478
02:52:00,385 --> 02:52:04,889
to live. Masika is an incredibly hard worker. She's an

2479
02:52:04,889 --> 02:52:08,009
artist and a business person with 20 years of experience

2480
02:52:08,009 --> 02:52:12,445
in the wedding industry. She's meticulous in her attention to

2481
02:52:12,445 --> 02:52:17,511
detail, and she cares deeply about her client's. Experiences. She

2482
02:52:17,511 --> 02:52:20,231
has applied that same care to every aspect of this

2483
02:52:20,231 --> 02:52:23,751
wedding venue from how it looks and functions to how

2484
02:52:23,751 --> 02:52:27,944
it fits within the surrounding community. Masika and Randy have

2485
02:52:27,944 --> 02:52:30,504
done a huge amount of the physical labor on this

2486
02:52:30,504 --> 02:52:36,057
property themselves. Their hands on involvement shows the pride, responsibility

2487
02:52:36,057 --> 02:52:38,537
and long term commitment they have to doing things right.

2488
02:52:40,082 --> 02:52:43,442
Masika and Randy have carefully responded to any neighbor concerns

2489
02:52:43,442 --> 02:52:47,082
related to their venue. They have completed noise and traffic.

2490
02:52:47,082 --> 02:52:51,482
Studies built fencing to ensure privacy and thoughtfully considered how

2491
02:52:51,482 --> 02:52:55,842
to minimize disruption. They have also held open houses welcoming

2492
02:52:55,842 --> 02:52:58,602
neighbors onto the property to see the venue for themselves

2493
02:52:58,602 --> 02:53:02,819
and ask questions. That willingness to engage openly speaks volumes

2494
02:53:02,819 --> 02:53:06,699
about their intentions. I have no doubt that Okanvine estate

2495
02:53:06,699 --> 02:53:12,455
will be run respectfully. Professionally, with consideration for neighbors, and

2496
02:53:12,455 --> 02:53:16,295
in alignment with community values. For all of these reasons,

2497
02:53:16,295 --> 02:53:19,375
I strongly support the zoning amendment and encourage council to

2498
02:53:19,375 --> 02:53:23,290
approve it. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thanks.

2499
02:53:25,972 --> 02:53:29,721
Would you like to step forward next? Maybe you can

2500
02:53:29,721 --> 02:53:32,707
see your name and address. Good evening. My name is

2501
02:53:32,707 --> 02:53:36,187
Suzanthur, and I'm speaking on behalf of my. Husband, Brian

2502
02:53:36,187 --> 02:53:40,867
Porter, who is also here. We live at 6433 Tyler

2503
02:53:40,867 --> 02:53:45,269
Place. We live within 200 meters of the oak and

2504
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:52,062
vine. We are. Opposed to the zoning amendment. Foremost. This

2505
02:53:52,062 --> 02:53:57,532
zoning amendment. Is inappropriate. To the land use of the

2506
02:53:57,532 --> 02:54:03,491
area. For their commercial benefit. The Oakland vine can significantly

2507
02:54:03,491 --> 02:54:07,091
change the way we live in our residential properties. Forever.

2508
02:54:08,844 --> 02:54:14,084
39 neighbors signed. No neighbors who live within proximity of

2509
02:54:14,084 --> 02:54:18,269
the oak and vine have voiced their concerns. And ten

2510
02:54:18,269 --> 02:54:25,027
weddings venues consuming most summer weekends is hugely concerning. Increased

2511
02:54:25,027 --> 02:54:31,067
traffic, slamming car doors, celebratory laughter, exuberant talk, or just

2512
02:54:31,067 --> 02:54:36,444
few noise. Examples that can travel far. The event participants

2513
02:54:36,444 --> 02:54:40,644
will not be inside at all times. And just like

2514
02:54:40,644 --> 02:54:45,950
the oak and vine, we have lived. In our residence

2515
02:54:45,950 --> 02:54:50,190
for 25 years. We have also spent a lifetime fixing

2516
02:54:50,190 --> 02:54:53,390
up our property and fixing up our homes and now

2517
02:54:53,390 --> 02:54:58,435
we are aging in place. That includes our property outside.

2518
02:54:58,435 --> 02:55:01,913
And we live outside. From May right through to September.

2519
02:55:03,105 --> 02:55:06,625
Outside is where we thrive. Outside is where we enjoy

2520
02:55:06,625 --> 02:55:10,849
and outside is where we rest. It's more than ten

2521
02:55:10,849 --> 02:55:14,729
weddings inherent with the parament. The oak and vine can

2522
02:55:14,729 --> 02:55:20,094
also host. Five, plus extra charitable events. I'm not quite

2523
02:55:20,094 --> 02:55:23,774
clear how that all applies, but it's. There and the

2524
02:55:23,774 --> 02:55:25,814
size and the nature of those events are up to

2525
02:55:25,814 --> 02:55:29,580
the discretion of the oak and vine. So more than

2526
02:55:29,580 --> 02:55:33,340
ten weddings we potentially can be holding. Looking at 15

2527
02:55:33,340 --> 02:55:38,498
plus events being hosted in our neighborhood. Good neighbor agreement

2528
02:55:38,498 --> 02:55:42,738
is not enforceable. Most importantly, the suggested agreement is not

2529
02:55:42,738 --> 02:55:47,418
a strong safeguard. It is voluntary. It focuses on the

2530
02:55:47,418 --> 02:55:53,667
goodwill of the nate of the venue. This type of

2531
02:55:53,667 --> 02:55:57,587
agreement gives the neighbors no legal voice, just a promise

2532
02:55:57,587 --> 02:56:06,553
of good intentions. A temporary use permit is required.

2533
02:56:08,078 --> 02:56:10,758
Documented here in North Kauwich and the Oakland vine has

2534
02:56:10,758 --> 02:56:16,518
a recorded history of noncompliance. With negative impact on neighbors

2535
02:56:16,518 --> 02:56:24,750
that was dated on. October. I think 21st, 2020. A

2536
02:56:24,750 --> 02:56:28,190
top is a fair compromised if the zoning is to

2537
02:56:28,190 --> 02:56:33,903
be amended. We need a top memorandum. I ran out

2538
02:56:33,903 --> 02:56:37,248
of time. Thank you. We'd like to step forward next.

2539
02:56:39,494 --> 02:56:40,774
Yes, sir. If we could state your name and address.

2540
02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:44,960
Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Jamie Penny.

2541
02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:48,520
I live at 6392 Lakes Road. Directly adjacent to the

2542
02:56:48,520 --> 02:56:51,760
oak and vine estate. I'm here today to oppose the

2543
02:56:51,760 --> 02:56:55,080
rezoning. Application for the proposed event. I would like to

2544
02:56:55,080 --> 02:57:02,709
speak to venue regulations. I ask council. To carefully consider

2545
02:57:02,709 --> 02:57:06,229
how the staff recommended good neighbor agreement would function in

2546
02:57:06,229 --> 02:57:09,469
practice for both the current applicants and the future owners.

2547
02:57:11,203 --> 02:57:13,563
Planning staff and legal counsel have advised that such agreements

2548
02:57:13,563 --> 02:57:17,963
do not provide enforceable protection for neighboring properties until additional

2549
02:57:17,963 --> 02:57:22,864
bylaws are amended and beyond that. There remains unanswered questions.

2550
02:57:22,864 --> 02:57:25,904
How will compliance be monitored? What happens when terms of

2551
02:57:25,904 --> 02:57:28,384
the agreement are not followed. Who is responsible for the

2552
02:57:28,384 --> 02:57:32,832
enforcement? Without clear answers, the burden inevitably shifts to the

2553
02:57:32,832 --> 02:57:38,946
neighboring residents. Alternatively, council could consider a tup. As many

2554
02:57:38,946 --> 02:57:42,481
people have said. Which we believe is still a viable

2555
02:57:42,481 --> 02:57:45,001
option. The applicants have stated that they weren't able to

2556
02:57:45,001 --> 02:57:48,121
fully comply previously due to Covid, but that doesn't mean

2557
02:57:48,121 --> 02:57:54,007
they would have. Complied if it wasn't for Covid. I

2558
02:57:54,007 --> 02:57:57,607
urge councils to test property. With the top. Before considering

2559
02:57:57,607 --> 02:58:00,567
permanent rezoning. I'd also like to speak to the potential

2560
02:58:00,567 --> 02:58:05,487
impacts of a wedding venue operating immediately next to our

2561
02:58:05,487 --> 02:58:09,245
working vineyard. We work full time and weekends are when

2562
02:58:09,245 --> 02:58:11,925
we complete the majority of our vineyard maintenance. I ask

2563
02:58:11,925 --> 02:58:14,565
council to consider what it will be expected of us

2564
02:58:14,565 --> 02:58:17,565
on wedding danes on wedding days will be expected to

2565
02:58:17,565 --> 02:58:22,351
limit farm noise, dust, equipment use to accommodate events. Is.

2566
02:58:22,351 --> 02:58:25,151
The answer is no. How will conflicts be managed when

2567
02:58:25,151 --> 02:58:27,751
our regular farming activities occur next to an 80 person

2568
02:58:27,751 --> 02:58:30,991
event. I do not under. I do understand that this

2569
02:58:30,991 --> 02:58:35,620
isn't council's. Responsibility. But where does that put us? These

2570
02:58:35,620 --> 02:58:38,900
conflicts are not hypothetical. We did experience during weddings, during

2571
02:58:38,900 --> 02:58:43,637
the tub. Ultimately, this is a land use decision. For

2572
02:58:43,637 --> 02:58:48,117
council. It's not about financial investments or insurance assurances made

2573
02:58:48,117 --> 02:58:50,397
to the neighbors. It's about whether a permanent rezoning for

2574
02:58:50,397 --> 02:58:54,597
a wedding venue next to residential properties and an active

2575
02:58:54,597 --> 02:59:00,802
vineyard. Is an applicable or appropriate land use. To counselors.

2576
02:59:00,802 --> 02:59:03,442
I asked, would you want to live next to a

2577
02:59:03,442 --> 02:59:06,562
wedding venue that affected your. Ability to enjoy your property

2578
02:59:06,562 --> 02:59:10,822
for the nicest weekends of the year. Potentially every weekend

2579
02:59:10,822 --> 02:59:15,453
from mid June to the end of August. And. I

2580
02:59:15,453 --> 02:59:17,373
ask you this because I've asked the applicant this very

2581
02:59:17,373 --> 02:59:20,173
question when we met to discuss his intentions to move

2582
02:59:20,173 --> 02:59:23,133
into the vineyard, to move forward with the venue, and

2583
02:59:23,133 --> 02:59:29,574
his response was? Null. But it's her dream. Respectively. If

2584
02:59:29,574 --> 02:59:31,454
the applicant would not want to live next to a

2585
02:59:31,454 --> 02:59:34,134
wedding venue. It raises the question as to why neighboring

2586
02:59:34,134 --> 02:59:37,294
residents should be expected to do so. For that reason,

2587
02:59:37,294 --> 02:59:41,173
I remain in opposition to his application. Thank you. We'd

2588
02:59:41,173 --> 02:59:42,013
like to step forward next.

2589
02:59:51,066 --> 02:59:56,409
State your name and address. Cynthia Montgomery. I live in

2590
02:59:56,409 --> 03:00:02,788
Lakeview. Across the lake when I have friends living there,

2591
03:00:02,788 --> 03:00:08,633
so that is my interest. So the owners of this

2592
03:00:08,633 --> 03:00:15,099
party palace. Want to continue to operate. Their noisy venue,

2593
03:00:15,099 --> 03:00:20,059
and people say, yes, it is noisy. In the middle

2594
03:00:20,059 --> 03:00:25,805
of a quiet neighborhood. This is from staff reports of

2595
03:00:25,805 --> 03:00:33,898
the time. Previous councils. Requested.

2596
03:00:36,439 --> 03:00:43,692
They sought some restrictions. And the owners. Promised to comply,

2597
03:00:43,692 --> 03:00:46,092
but according to the staff reports, they did not comply.

2598
03:00:47,803 --> 03:00:54,368
Other councils or ensuing councils. Oh, it just disappeared.

2599
03:00:57,986 --> 03:01:04,854
Other council. Councils. Repeated their request. They gave them more

2600
03:01:04,854 --> 03:01:08,374
chances. They asked them to comply. They promised to comply.

2601
03:01:08,374 --> 03:01:13,394
They did not comply. According to staff reports. They even

2602
03:01:13,394 --> 03:01:20,267
built a building on. Their premises without a building permit.

2603
03:01:20,267 --> 03:01:27,839
They welcomed guests into the building. Without occupancy permits. They

2604
03:01:27,839 --> 03:01:32,199
had to decommission. They tore it down, then they rebuilt.

2605
03:01:33,482 --> 03:01:37,934
Again without building permits. And this happened multiple times, apparently.

2606
03:01:39,146 --> 03:01:45,527
So. Are these people really good corporate citizens? I'm questioning

2607
03:01:45,527 --> 03:01:49,690
their integrity. Are they to be trusted? According to what

2608
03:01:49,690 --> 03:01:55,190
I've been hearing from my friends that live there. They

2609
03:01:55,190 --> 03:01:59,303
behave as though the rules don't apply to them. And

2610
03:01:59,303 --> 03:02:08,610
the location. Is. So inappropriate that staff had. To invent

2611
03:02:08,610 --> 03:02:15,913
a design. Designer zone. For them. To allow party place

2612
03:02:15,913 --> 03:02:25,127
in a neighborhood. So this is.

2613
03:02:29,856 --> 03:02:33,106
A zone just for this site. And as I understand

2614
03:02:33,106 --> 03:02:39,437
it, from what I've read, From materials. There will be

2615
03:02:39,437 --> 03:02:43,519
no rules. There will be no rules. On this party

2616
03:02:43,519 --> 03:02:50,499
palace. So this is very strange to me here. We

2617
03:02:50,499 --> 03:02:56,901
have. A venue that has consistently not been living up

2618
03:02:56,901 --> 03:03:01,861
to their obligations. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Who

2619
03:03:01,861 --> 03:03:05,701
would like to step forward next? You can see your

2620
03:03:05,701 --> 03:03:14,058
name and address. Good evening, marin council. My name is

2621
03:03:14,058 --> 03:03:17,658
Chandra Ungren, and I live at 6392 lakes. Road. I'm

2622
03:03:17,658 --> 03:03:21,778
here tonight to speak in opposition to zoning amendment bylaw

2623
03:03:21,778 --> 03:03:26,338
number 40 30. While the applicant has presented a petition

2624
03:03:26,338 --> 03:03:30,458
of approximately 1700 names as evidence of broad support, a

2625
03:03:30,458 --> 03:03:35,029
closer look. At the data reveals it to be procedurally

2626
03:03:35,029 --> 03:03:41,183
invalid and geographically irrelevant. I want to direct council's attention

2627
03:03:41,183 --> 03:03:45,743
to our own bylaw 7.16, section C. Which is very

2628
03:03:45,743 --> 03:03:50,263
specific. It states that any petition being presented to council

2629
03:03:50,263 --> 03:03:53,943
must include the names and addresses of the petitioners, all

2630
03:03:53,943 --> 03:03:59,072
eligibly printed, and then a signature. The applicant subm. Submission

2631
03:03:59,072 --> 03:04:02,952
fails this standard for several reasons. The petition was hosted

2632
03:04:02,952 --> 03:04:07,072
on change, a platform that does not require real names

2633
03:04:07,072 --> 03:04:11,392
or physical addresses. It only verifies an email. This is

2634
03:04:11,392 --> 03:04:13,912
not just a technicality. It goes to the heart of

2635
03:04:13,912 --> 03:04:18,299
whose voice matters in local governance. The petition only includes

2636
03:04:18,299 --> 03:04:22,299
16% of respondents were identified as being within North Kauchen.

2637
03:04:24,222 --> 03:04:27,902
This council has seen the danger of skewed digital data

2638
03:04:27,902 --> 03:04:32,216
before. To quote councilor Finley in an interview with a

2639
03:04:32,216 --> 03:04:36,475
discourse. It was not limited to Norris Couch and residence,

2640
03:04:36,475 --> 03:04:39,115
which I think is flawed since it is a north

2641
03:04:39,115 --> 03:04:42,195
couch and asset. I don't really care what someone in

2642
03:04:42,195 --> 03:04:45,555
Campbell river thinks about our forest. It has nothing to

2643
03:04:45,555 --> 03:04:49,275
do with them. The same logic applies here. The rezoning

2644
03:04:49,275 --> 03:04:53,115
for enormous couch and asset. Our land and our neighborhoods,

2645
03:04:53,115 --> 03:04:55,235
we should not be consider. Considering the opinions of people

2646
03:04:55,235 --> 03:04:59,340
in Peru, Netherlands, Mexico. All of which are included in

2647
03:04:59,340 --> 03:05:03,220
the submitted petition or anywhere else outside our borders who

2648
03:05:03,220 --> 03:05:05,300
will never have to live with the traffic and noise

2649
03:05:05,300 --> 03:05:09,820
this venue will generate. Accepting a list of unverified email

2650
03:05:09,820 --> 03:05:14,140
usernames as a petition, but bypasses the transparency required by

2651
03:05:14,140 --> 03:05:19,146
our bylaws. It sets a precedent where click activism. Can

2652
03:05:19,146 --> 03:05:23,838
drown out. The legitimate, verified concerns of the neighbors who

2653
03:05:23,838 --> 03:05:27,278
are physically here tonight and who have put forward their

2654
03:05:27,278 --> 03:05:30,918
names and addresses in the petition that has also been

2655
03:05:30,918 --> 03:05:34,318
presented to you in full compliance of the bylaw. I

2656
03:05:34,318 --> 03:05:38,078
urge council to follow its own procedural rules. Recognize that

2657
03:05:38,078 --> 03:05:41,952
this digital list does not constitute a. Valid petition and

2658
03:05:41,952 --> 03:05:44,992
focus on the significant input of the North Kauchen residents,

2659
03:05:44,992 --> 03:05:51,188
who will be directly impacted. Thank you. Are there any

2660
03:05:51,188 --> 03:05:53,988
other speakers would like to step forward? First time speakers,

2661
03:05:53,988 --> 03:05:58,190
that is. This. Or if you come at the podium,

2662
03:05:58,190 --> 03:06:01,648
see your name and address. Good evening, mayor and council.

2663
03:06:01,648 --> 03:06:04,488
My name is David Van Aventer. I live at 1727.

2664
03:06:04,488 --> 03:06:12,435
Robert. Street in Crofton, British Columbia. I appear before you

2665
03:06:12,435 --> 03:06:15,235
this evening as the president of the Chamber of Commerce,

2666
03:06:15,235 --> 03:06:22,164
Duncan County Chamber of Commerce is 644 member businesses. $1

2667
03:06:22,164 --> 03:06:31,889
million. $1 million brought into our economy. At a

2668
03:06:31,889 --> 03:06:41,888
time when. Money is leaving the valley. At an

2669
03:06:41,888 --> 03:06:49,527
unprecedented rate. I would urge council to approve. This change.

2670
03:06:52,393 --> 03:06:57,633
I would urge council to approve ten events a year

2671
03:06:57,633 --> 03:07:00,523
on this property on Lakes Road. I live in Crofton.

2672
03:07:00,523 --> 03:07:03,163
I work in Duncan. I drive Lakes Road every day,

2673
03:07:03,163 --> 03:07:07,939
sometimes two, three. Four times a day. The, no offense

2674
03:07:07,939 --> 03:07:10,659
to the engineering department, but the thought that there is

2675
03:07:10,659 --> 03:07:14,699
going to be a traffic problem for 35 cars turning

2676
03:07:14,699 --> 03:07:17,899
left in 40 minutes of time on a Saturday afternoon

2677
03:07:17,899 --> 03:07:25,074
is absolutely ludicrous. It's just not going to happen. These

2678
03:07:25,074 --> 03:07:32,869
folks. With their. Business venture have worked very, very hard.

2679
03:07:34,356 --> 03:07:42,741
The chamber supports this 100%. On a personal note. I

2680
03:07:42,741 --> 03:07:48,909
am appalled. By the character assassinations that I've heard. In

2681
03:07:48,909 --> 03:07:51,669
the weeks and months leading up to this evening and

2682
03:07:51,669 --> 03:07:54,269
in this very evening itself, from speakers at this very

2683
03:07:54,269 --> 03:08:00,400
podium. To characterize. A beautiful wedding venue as a party

2684
03:08:00,400 --> 03:08:06,585
palace is callous, insensitive and cruel. To question someone's integrity

2685
03:08:06,585 --> 03:08:09,305
in a public forum like this when they're sitting right.

2686
03:08:09,305 --> 03:08:15,565
Behind you. Shows a lot of intestinal fortitude. But it's

2687
03:08:15,565 --> 03:08:19,261
very disappointing. This is not the way to run business.

2688
03:08:21,313 --> 03:08:23,633
In the Calcium valley in the municipality of north council.

2689
03:08:25,785 --> 03:08:29,985
These arguments, these decisions, these discussions can be had without

2690
03:08:29,985 --> 03:08:35,892
lowering yourself to attack someone's personal character. Thank you. Thank

2691
03:08:35,892 --> 03:08:45,798
you. So if you state your name and address.

2692
03:08:48,306 --> 03:08:54,470
Mayor, council members, audience. I am abraham lee from one

2693
03:08:54,470 --> 03:08:58,670
six five edward drive lake couching, and I'm a. Dj.

2694
03:09:00,188 --> 03:09:05,068
So what we're talking about here is 35 hours for

2695
03:09:05,068 --> 03:09:10,923
an entire year of playing music. Technically facts. When you

2696
03:09:10,923 --> 03:09:16,072
look at a ceremony. A ceremony is decibel reading is

2697
03:09:16,072 --> 03:09:21,624
less than ten. Because most of the time. At the

2698
03:09:21,624 --> 03:09:23,944
38 weddings I did last year, the 38 I did

2699
03:09:23,944 --> 03:09:26,784
the year before and the 42 I have scheduled this

2700
03:09:26,784 --> 03:09:33,261
year with two of them being at their venue. The

2701
03:09:33,261 --> 03:09:36,341
work they've done to the barn, the decibel reading won't

2702
03:09:36,341 --> 03:09:39,021
be. At 76 for the two weddings that I do.

2703
03:09:41,766 --> 03:09:45,405
They don't allow subs. Your top end speakers do carry.

2704
03:09:45,405 --> 03:09:49,605
But from a DJ's perspective, the amount of money that

2705
03:09:49,605 --> 03:09:53,013
we could stand to make from that venue. It would

2706
03:09:53,013 --> 03:09:56,813
be not injustice to me, but to turn down that

2707
03:09:56,813 --> 03:10:01,533
volume when you think about lawnmowers. Kids playing. They're all

2708
03:10:01,533 --> 03:10:04,333
louder than me. The farms that are on the road.

2709
03:10:04,333 --> 03:10:08,567
They're louder than me, so thank you. Are you? Would

2710
03:10:08,567 --> 03:10:14,178
anyone else take a step forward? Who hasn't spoken yet.

2711
03:10:16,216 --> 03:10:17,856
Oh, yeah. We're going to go online now and ask.

2712
03:10:21,961 --> 03:10:25,673
Yeah. All right. You can state your name and address.

2713
03:10:25,673 --> 03:10:27,993
Good evening. My name is Jennifer Edwardson. I live in

2714
03:10:27,993 --> 03:10:30,713
north college and I wasn't going to speak tonight. I

2715
03:10:30,713 --> 03:10:35,312
did send a letter in of support. But I like

2716
03:10:35,312 --> 03:10:38,192
the gentleman. Just two speakers ago, I'm sitting here and

2717
03:10:38,192 --> 03:10:44,144
I'm. Listening to this. And no one. Everyone. We know

2718
03:10:44,144 --> 03:10:46,824
how beautiful it is. We know the facts. Everyone's done

2719
03:10:46,824 --> 03:10:49,885
their job. But at the end of the day, we're

2720
03:10:49,885 --> 03:10:53,686
talking about a community. This is the couch and valley.

2721
03:10:53,686 --> 03:10:55,886
I'm a local business owner. There's so many. Of us

2722
03:10:55,886 --> 03:11:01,711
in this space. But good grief. Change. It's 2026. The

2723
03:11:01,711 --> 03:11:05,231
world changes. We have a hospital that just. Hey, ma'am,

2724
03:11:05,231 --> 03:11:08,111
if you could direct your comments, we have a hospital

2725
03:11:08,111 --> 03:11:12,501
that just moved in. Around the corner. Change is going

2726
03:11:12,501 --> 03:11:15,781
to happen. And you can't speak about who's the future

2727
03:11:15,781 --> 03:11:19,421
who. The future owner of this venue is currently they

2728
03:11:19,421 --> 03:11:21,221
are. Who's to say that they're? Not going to own

2729
03:11:21,221 --> 03:11:25,685
it for the next 40 years. I think the facts

2730
03:11:25,685 --> 03:11:29,045
are there. Everything's with the character. It's all been there.

2731
03:11:29,045 --> 03:11:30,685
Everybody's said everything. I'm not going to talk about any

2732
03:11:30,685 --> 03:11:34,045
of that, but change. Is going to happen. And change

2733
03:11:34,045 --> 03:11:37,645
is good. It's good. And this valley needs this change.

2734
03:11:39,319 --> 03:11:42,959
Take the facts, but let's stop with the absolute character

2735
03:11:42,959 --> 03:11:46,239
assassinations. It's enough. Like it's enough these people are in

2736
03:11:46,239 --> 03:11:50,778
this room. It's enough. Thank you for your time. You

2737
03:11:50,778 --> 03:11:52,738
know what? We're going to turn to the virtual attendees.

2738
03:11:52,738 --> 03:11:55,338
I don't see any with their hands raised. But if

2739
03:11:55,338 --> 03:11:57,218
any of them are listening right now and you want

2740
03:11:57,218 --> 03:11:59,458
to weigh in for public input, now is the time.

2741
03:12:09,717 --> 03:12:11,357
Okay, so I still don't see any hands raised. I'm

2742
03:12:11,357 --> 03:12:15,150
going to turn back. To. The gallery here. So is

2743
03:12:15,150 --> 03:12:17,630
there any first time speakers want to step up to

2744
03:12:17,630 --> 03:12:21,711
the podium? Is there anyone who's already spoken who would

2745
03:12:21,711 --> 03:12:23,031
like to offer some additional comments?

2746
03:12:33,270 --> 03:12:34,750
Perhaps we could start a line over there. Might make

2747
03:12:34,750 --> 03:12:39,326
it easier. Hi. My name is Tammy. I do live

2748
03:12:39,326 --> 03:12:41,246
in Langford, but I do want to say I was.

2749
03:12:41,246 --> 03:12:43,606
Born and raised here. I only moved a little while

2750
03:12:43,606 --> 03:12:48,130
ago. I do a lot of business here. I am

2751
03:12:48,130 --> 03:12:50,370
the planner that does all of the weddings at Bird's

2752
03:12:50,370 --> 03:12:54,010
Eye Co. Farm, so. I can speak to a lot

2753
03:12:54,010 --> 03:12:57,703
of. Everyone's raising concerns about the bar and people getting

2754
03:12:57,703 --> 03:12:59,583
out of hand and who's going to take care of

2755
03:12:59,583 --> 03:13:02,729
it and all those kinds of things. Masika, you have

2756
03:13:02,729 --> 03:13:05,449
to have a certified, like a proper planner, not your

2757
03:13:05,449 --> 03:13:10,409
sister's cousin's. Neighbor who planned a birthday party on site.

2758
03:13:10,409 --> 03:13:13,529
We are there to manage the event. The majority of

2759
03:13:13,529 --> 03:13:16,849
venues. Unless you're a golf club, a bar, a restaurant,

2760
03:13:16,849 --> 03:13:19,609
you have to have a special occasion permit. A special

2761
03:13:19,609 --> 03:13:23,236
occasions permit does not grant you. A free for all.

2762
03:13:23,236 --> 03:13:26,886
It's not a crazy thing. It's vetted by the RCMP.

2763
03:13:26,886 --> 03:13:30,142
It has to be checked over. It's based on how

2764
03:13:30,142 --> 03:13:33,142
many drinks per person by the hours of your event

2765
03:13:33,142 --> 03:13:35,822
there are. Closing times. There are people who are proper

2766
03:13:35,822 --> 03:13:40,302
bartenders, again, not your neighbors, who are serving the drinks,

2767
03:13:40,302 --> 03:13:43,622
monitoring, making sure people are not overserved. The same thing

2768
03:13:43,622 --> 03:13:46,782
a planner is on site, the special occasions permit does

2769
03:13:46,782 --> 03:13:48,542
have to be taken out by someone who is attach.

2770
03:13:48,585 --> 03:13:51,075
Attached to the event. It can't be me. It can't

2771
03:13:51,075 --> 03:13:53,995
be Masika. It. Has to be someone who is attached.

2772
03:13:53,995 --> 03:13:57,155
The person who has the special occasions permit is not

2773
03:13:57,155 --> 03:14:00,795
allowed. To drink. That is why many family members God

2774
03:14:00,795 --> 03:14:03,875
bless pregnant women. They are the people that take out

2775
03:14:03,875 --> 03:14:07,475
the event, the event permit. We manage the event. We

2776
03:14:07,475 --> 03:14:10,065
constantly watch the people we're like, hey. Girl in the

2777
03:14:10,065 --> 03:14:13,345
green dress no more that kind of thing. It's very

2778
03:14:13,345 --> 03:14:17,265
well managed once. Again. She can't have an event without

2779
03:14:17,265 --> 03:14:21,025
a planner. Someone is always there, looking out, being responsible.

2780
03:14:22,274 --> 03:14:25,594
And I would like to say about the character assassination

2781
03:14:25,594 --> 03:14:28,954
is completely uncalled for. It does sicken me. These people

2782
03:14:28,954 --> 03:14:33,474
are kind, responsible people who follow the rules. Masika is

2783
03:14:33,474 --> 03:14:36,114
one of the biggest rule followers I have ever met.

2784
03:14:36,114 --> 03:14:38,354
The hoops this woman has had to jump through. To

2785
03:14:38,354 --> 03:14:41,700
get to this point. And all the things that she's

2786
03:14:41,700 --> 03:14:45,063
gone through and over the years and. She still doesn't

2787
03:14:45,063 --> 03:14:48,183
say anything bad about anybody. She follows the rules. She

2788
03:14:48,183 --> 03:14:50,223
goes to the checkpoints, and she just wants to get

2789
03:14:50,223 --> 03:14:52,703
it done. She just wants to have a venue where

2790
03:14:52,703 --> 03:14:55,503
she could bring beautiful people together to have their families

2791
03:14:55,503 --> 03:14:58,423
together and support her own family. So thank you very

2792
03:14:58,423 --> 03:15:05,346
much. Hello again.

2793
03:15:08,582 --> 03:15:12,062
Bruto. 2265 Woodland Drive. I just wanted to add, I

2794
03:15:12,062 --> 03:15:14,542
didn't get to quite. Finish the first time there. I'd

2795
03:15:14,542 --> 03:15:16,822
like to state again that I think I'm a reasonable

2796
03:15:16,822 --> 03:15:19,342
person. However, my wife's not here tonight, so no one

2797
03:15:19,342 --> 03:15:23,616
can really debate that. And it's that my last statement

2798
03:15:23,616 --> 03:15:26,056
that I was drawing on the consideration of another temporary

2799
03:15:26,056 --> 03:15:29,696
use permit. And again, not as a second chance for

2800
03:15:29,696 --> 03:15:32,416
the applicant, but as a second chance for the community

2801
03:15:32,416 --> 03:15:36,416
to understand real world impacts, risks and enforcement before making

2802
03:15:36,416 --> 03:15:39,722
a permanent change. I am asking for a second chance

2803
03:15:39,722 --> 03:15:43,082
myself so that I can give subjective feedback. I can

2804
03:15:43,082 --> 03:15:46,642
work closely with the applicants as a neighbor in proximity,

2805
03:15:46,642 --> 03:15:48,642
and we can understand what needs to be in place

2806
03:15:48,642 --> 03:15:51,242
to make this work. I feel there's just too many

2807
03:15:51,242 --> 03:15:54,362
unknowns. There's too many legal implications at this time to

2808
03:15:54,362 --> 03:15:58,783
move to a permanent rezoning. Please consider the top. I

2809
03:15:58,783 --> 03:16:01,783
would even invite the council to experiment from my backyard.

2810
03:16:03,160 --> 03:16:06,860
And. We can all have an informed, shared understanding. You

2811
03:16:06,860 --> 03:16:09,300
can stand in my backyard and say, Andrew, you're crazy.

2812
03:16:09,300 --> 03:16:12,620
It's simply not noise enough. But let's afford that opportunity

2813
03:16:12,620 --> 03:16:22,511
to the community to address that. Thank you. Again. I

2814
03:16:22,511 --> 03:16:27,370
won't be long. So just on both sides of the

2815
03:16:27,370 --> 03:16:31,010
fence to agree with the fact that character assassination, intimidation

2816
03:16:31,010 --> 03:16:33,810
in any way, form or shape is not intended and

2817
03:16:33,810 --> 03:16:36,930
shouldn't be happening, but also to point out that the

2818
03:16:36,930 --> 03:16:40,890
community website, Facebook page that was started there was bi

2819
03:16:40,890 --> 03:16:45,537
directional intimidation there. I'm sure it was unintended. But it

2820
03:16:45,537 --> 03:16:48,497
happened. Those of us here who are public figures have

2821
03:16:48,497 --> 03:16:51,497
small businesses are also sticking our necks out. It would

2822
03:16:51,497 --> 03:16:54,257
be much more comfortable for me to not feel I'm

2823
03:16:54,257 --> 03:16:57,737
opposing people. I know quite well people who I work

2824
03:16:57,737 --> 03:17:03,134
with closely. But on the website recently, it was indicated

2825
03:17:03,134 --> 03:17:06,894
that these pesky neighbors need to be named and shamed.

2826
03:17:06,894 --> 03:17:12,622
These people should mind their own. Fb. And those comments

2827
03:17:12,622 --> 03:17:16,222
were not moderated by the moderators of this website. It

2828
03:17:16,222 --> 03:17:19,302
is intimidating as a community member to Europe that you

2829
03:17:19,302 --> 03:17:22,702
should be named and shamed for participating in the democratic

2830
03:17:22,702 --> 03:17:25,142
process all I'm trying to do here. Many of us,

2831
03:17:25,142 --> 03:17:28,559
I hope. I think the issue of the temporary use

2832
03:17:28,559 --> 03:17:31,119
permanent has come up repeatedly. I'm confused and I'm hoping

2833
03:17:31,119 --> 03:17:34,159
to be educated by staff. I was confused after the

2834
03:17:34,159 --> 03:17:39,147
last meeting to hear that. A more permanent, more impactful

2835
03:17:39,147 --> 03:17:46,250
consideration should be given. Serious thought. While a temporary use

2836
03:17:46,250 --> 03:17:49,606
permit is posed as something. Out of alignment, as if

2837
03:17:49,606 --> 03:17:52,446
that is a threat in my mind. A temporary use

2838
03:17:52,446 --> 03:17:55,686
permit to Andrew's. Point is a beautiful testing ground for

2839
03:17:55,686 --> 03:17:58,886
this. We wish to get along. We wish to support

2840
03:17:58,886 --> 03:18:01,606
our neighbors. Most of us just want to have our

2841
03:18:01,606 --> 03:18:05,317
lives. Lived as peaceful as possible. That includes everyone in

2842
03:18:05,317 --> 03:18:08,777
this room, I'm sure. But I do not fully comprehend,

2843
03:18:08,777 --> 03:18:11,657
and I'm hoping staff can clarify for us why a

2844
03:18:11,657 --> 03:18:14,217
temporary use permit is seen as such a massive obstacle.

2845
03:18:15,677 --> 03:18:18,917
When a far greater decision is at hand. So I'm

2846
03:18:18,917 --> 03:18:28,747
hoping to hear back from stuff. Tonight. I'll make it

2847
03:18:28,747 --> 03:18:34,040
quick. I left my chat GPT. Speech at home. So

2848
03:18:34,040 --> 03:18:36,120
just a couple of things about the party palace I

2849
03:18:36,120 --> 03:18:38,480
wanted to clear up. Again and just deal in strictly

2850
03:18:38,480 --> 03:18:42,440
facts. Number one, the alcohol comment about people leaving that

2851
03:18:42,440 --> 03:18:46,232
venue being drunk and driving on the road. This is

2852
03:18:46,232 --> 03:18:49,072
2026. You think that the cops aren't going to be

2853
03:18:49,072 --> 03:18:51,472
out or people. Are going to risk their lives, their

2854
03:18:51,472 --> 03:18:54,706
homes. Everything to be checked in jail. If they run

2855
03:18:54,706 --> 03:18:56,786
into somebody or kill somebody out on the road. Because

2856
03:18:56,786 --> 03:18:59,266
they have one or two drinks, most of these venues

2857
03:18:59,266 --> 03:19:01,746
are going to get a van brought. In where people

2858
03:19:01,746 --> 03:19:03,986
are bust in and out to the hotels or wherever.

2859
03:19:05,731 --> 03:19:08,091
So I think that eliminates, like, an alcohol problem on

2860
03:19:08,091 --> 03:19:12,100
our roadside. Noise bylaws. I live right next to a

2861
03:19:12,100 --> 03:19:14,380
school. You know what? I don't. Like the kids screaming

2862
03:19:14,380 --> 03:19:16,540
all day. But you know what? I deal with it,

2863
03:19:16,540 --> 03:19:18,700
because my granddaughter goes, to that school. And I'm sure

2864
03:19:18,700 --> 03:19:23,020
that's her screaming during lunch, recess and after. School, so

2865
03:19:23,020 --> 03:19:24,660
it's just something that we have to put up with.

2866
03:19:24,660 --> 03:19:28,460
I can hear the exhibition grounds from Lakes Road off

2867
03:19:28,460 --> 03:19:30,717
of town end all the way across. My property when

2868
03:19:30,717 --> 03:19:33,917
they're playing music. You're going to get that the farm

2869
03:19:33,917 --> 03:19:37,277
about? Doing farm work and worrying about dust during a

2870
03:19:37,277 --> 03:19:39,557
wedding. If I got to hay my field, I'm going

2871
03:19:39,557 --> 03:19:41,477
to hate it. You think I'm worried about the neighbor

2872
03:19:41,477 --> 03:19:43,517
having a wedding? Venue. If I have hay to bring

2873
03:19:43,517 --> 03:19:46,917
in. Life goes on. People can go and enjoy their

2874
03:19:46,917 --> 03:19:49,357
stuff. And do their stuff without interrupting their lives. You

2875
03:19:49,357 --> 03:19:53,241
just have to prepare for. It. And deal with it.

2876
03:19:53,241 --> 03:19:56,363
The same thing with the road. I'm really complex about

2877
03:19:56,363 --> 03:19:59,483
the road. We have 1000 contractors that would come in

2878
03:19:59,483 --> 03:20:02,307
for a shutdown at the pulp mill. They would be

2879
03:20:02,307 --> 03:20:05,227
housed in Duncan at every hotel that was available. So

2880
03:20:05,227 --> 03:20:10,189
we're probably running. An easy 600 plus a day during

2881
03:20:10,189 --> 03:20:13,669
a 14 day shutdown. Plus you have the two schools

2882
03:20:13,669 --> 03:20:17,109
on that road. So why would that be a masika

2883
03:20:17,109 --> 03:20:19,749
and a randy problem? To widen or. Put in a

2884
03:20:19,749 --> 03:20:23,420
turning lane on the road. Has there been a municipal

2885
03:20:23,420 --> 03:20:25,860
study done on that road for the mill traffic, the

2886
03:20:25,860 --> 03:20:28,580
school traffic and everything else? Or did it just come

2887
03:20:28,580 --> 03:20:32,100
about when they wanted to get the zoning redone? That's

2888
03:20:32,100 --> 03:20:34,420
something that we got to take a look at, like

2889
03:20:34,420 --> 03:20:37,020
I said, and good on the chamber of Commerce for

2890
03:20:37,020 --> 03:20:40,533
speaking up because. It is an attack. It's an attack

2891
03:20:40,533 --> 03:20:42,453
on this good couple and all the work that they

2892
03:20:42,453 --> 03:20:44,373
put into that place, and I wish them the best

2893
03:20:44,373 --> 03:20:47,504
of luck, and I hope you guys. Again. Do the

2894
03:20:47,504 --> 03:20:50,664
right thing and allow that permit. They deserve it.

2895
03:20:58,319 --> 03:21:03,530
Again. Zach brown, 1751 stamps road. And I'm here to

2896
03:21:03,530 --> 03:21:07,312
speak about the impact on the community. And the business

2897
03:21:07,312 --> 03:21:13,739
community in particular. And the farming. I've never met these

2898
03:21:13,739 --> 03:21:16,339
people. I bear them knowing will, and I assure you

2899
03:21:16,339 --> 03:21:20,989
I will. Not do any character assassination. On our property

2900
03:21:20,989 --> 03:21:24,429
in our vineyard. We do not currently host weddings, but

2901
03:21:24,429 --> 03:21:26,869
a potential future owner may wish to explore this on

2902
03:21:26,869 --> 03:21:30,109
our site. One of the key attractions and inherent values

2903
03:21:30,109 --> 03:21:33,509
of any winery. Offers to a potential buyer is the

2904
03:21:33,509 --> 03:21:36,389
ability to host events such as weddings. It is allowed

2905
03:21:36,389 --> 03:21:41,927
in the existing zoning and in the. ALR regulations, events

2906
03:21:41,927 --> 03:21:46,207
are allowed as a secondary secondary economic activity of an

2907
03:21:46,207 --> 03:21:52,733
agriculture primary business. The secondary revenue generation stream. Is specifically

2908
03:21:52,733 --> 03:21:55,493
permitted to support the economic viability of a farm which.

2909
03:21:57,026 --> 03:21:58,906
Is primarily engaged in the growing of crops and the

2910
03:21:58,906 --> 03:22:03,852
production of agriculture products such as wine. This legal secondary

2911
03:22:03,852 --> 03:22:06,692
economic activity is intrinsic to the value of the property

2912
03:22:06,692 --> 03:22:09,252
and to the business and it is a key factor

2913
03:22:09,252 --> 03:22:12,572
in the asking price and realized sale value of wineries

2914
03:22:12,572 --> 03:22:16,252
in north couch. If council should decide to allow commercial

2915
03:22:16,252 --> 03:22:20,172
competition from a non agricultural primary business to the north,

2916
03:22:20,172 --> 03:22:23,266
couch and wine and vineyard industry. It. Will have a

2917
03:22:23,266 --> 03:22:25,586
negative impact on the market value of all wineries in

2918
03:22:25,586 --> 03:22:31,208
the north couch and. Constitute unfair competition in the market.

2919
03:22:31,208 --> 03:22:33,568
And we're talking about an industry that brings a lot

2920
03:22:33,568 --> 03:22:36,608
more than a million dollars into the couch and valley

2921
03:22:36,608 --> 03:22:41,747
by several orders of magnitude. Reduce property value and income

2922
03:22:41,747 --> 03:22:47,208
for wineries. Equates to less property tax revenue and economic

2923
03:22:47,208 --> 03:22:50,753
activity for north couch and as a whole. I've had

2924
03:22:50,753 --> 03:22:52,353
an opportunity to view the oak and vine vine vineyard

2925
03:22:52,353 --> 03:22:54,553
over the fence and. As I walk past on the

2926
03:22:54,553 --> 03:22:56,553
roadway, which I do regularly over the last number of

2927
03:22:56,553 --> 03:23:00,273
years, I'm an expert grape grower and I'm the island's

2928
03:23:00,273 --> 03:23:05,258
most nationally award. Winning winemaker. It does not require an

2929
03:23:05,258 --> 03:23:09,730
expert. To observe that divines in that property have been

2930
03:23:09,730 --> 03:23:13,141
allowed to atrophy to the point where? They cannot ripen

2931
03:23:13,141 --> 03:23:15,461
the grapes enough to make wine or sell them for

2932
03:23:15,461 --> 03:23:18,301
food. So it's. Obvious to anyone with even the most

2933
03:23:18,301 --> 03:23:22,459
cursory knowledge of grape farming. That there is no intent

2934
03:23:22,459 --> 03:23:25,339
to make the oak and vine property an agricultural primary

2935
03:23:25,339 --> 03:23:29,579
business as is. Intended in the ALR regulations which should

2936
03:23:29,579 --> 03:23:33,758
act as a guide to counsel in this matter. To

2937
03:23:33,758 --> 03:23:39,534
reiterate, council granting event zoning variance. Would create an event

2938
03:23:39,534 --> 03:23:42,774
primary business with none of the regulatory constraints or workload

2939
03:23:42,774 --> 03:23:47,814
of an agricultural primary Venice. This represents unfair competition to

2940
03:23:47,814 --> 03:23:51,587
the winery industry in the couch and valley. Is there

2941
03:23:51,587 --> 03:23:57,515
anybody next or connected going. Yeah. You want to go?

2942
03:23:57,515 --> 03:23:59,275
You want to let someone else? You can come back

2943
03:23:59,275 --> 03:24:09,077
up. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to apologize

2944
03:24:09,077 --> 03:24:17,537
to anyone who characterized my remarks. As character assassination. I

2945
03:24:17,537 --> 03:24:23,646
do apologize for that. But I was taking that from

2946
03:24:23,646 --> 03:24:30,313
staff reports. Staff was reporting. That while they were operating

2947
03:24:30,313 --> 03:24:38,005
under the Tups previously. There were a lot of non

2948
03:24:38,005 --> 03:24:44,523
compliances, including. Building permits, et cetera. As I mentioned. And.

2949
03:24:47,135 --> 03:24:50,136
My point. Actually, I was getting to. I'm concerned that

2950
03:24:50,136 --> 03:24:54,484
this new zone. Correct me if I'm wrong, that this

2951
03:24:54,484 --> 03:25:00,346
new zone being. Created. Has no rules, that there will

2952
03:25:00,346 --> 03:25:04,506
be no bylaws, that the noise bylaw won't. Apply to

2953
03:25:04,506 --> 03:25:12,686
them. Is this correct? Because if that's true, That's really

2954
03:25:12,686 --> 03:25:16,326
not a good reward for previous non compliance, is what

2955
03:25:16,326 --> 03:25:21,173
I'm saying. I don't understand.

2956
03:25:26,535 --> 03:25:31,328
How that works. We have all this previous non compliance.

2957
03:25:33,152 --> 03:25:39,804
And now. A personalized. A personal private zone. Without any

2958
03:25:39,804 --> 03:25:46,253
rules. I find that confusing. I find that bizarre. I

2959
03:25:46,253 --> 03:25:53,253
guess I'm asking for clarification, but never mind. Yeah. At

2960
03:25:53,253 --> 03:25:56,813
this point, we're inviting comments from the public, but we

2961
03:25:56,813 --> 03:26:02,917
have noted your questions. And when council debates. The application.

2962
03:26:02,917 --> 03:26:06,077
Later in this meeting, we can hopefully address those questions.

2963
03:26:07,826 --> 03:26:09,506
If you'd like to come back up to the podium.

2964
03:26:16,550 --> 03:26:19,550
While we're talking about the unfair competitive advantage, granting this

2965
03:26:19,550 --> 03:26:24,696
variance will forgive. I would note that in the lengthy

2966
03:26:24,696 --> 03:26:27,456
social media campaign and a letter of rationale. Okinvine is

2967
03:26:27,456 --> 03:26:31,536
undertaken the sale of a property to a craft distillery.

2968
03:26:31,536 --> 03:26:36,239
If this variance is not allowed. Is not given. Has

2969
03:26:36,239 --> 03:26:39,319
been threatened. A distillery is permitted under the a two

2970
03:26:39,319 --> 03:26:42,479
zoning. But if this was actually done, the distillery would

2971
03:26:42,479 --> 03:26:45,359
fall under a similar regulatory burden as the winery industry.

2972
03:26:47,936 --> 03:26:50,896
It would become license inspected and subjected to regulatory enforcement

2973
03:26:50,896 --> 03:26:54,576
by Viha, the BC liquor and cannabis branch revenue, Canada's

2974
03:26:54,576 --> 03:26:58,856
customs and excise agents, and federal and provincial agricultural ministries.

2975
03:26:58,856 --> 03:27:02,256
In addition to all of the municipal regulations. This would

2976
03:27:02,256 --> 03:27:06,048
actually level the playing field to some extent. I mentioned

2977
03:27:06,048 --> 03:27:08,568
this because in the letter of rationale, it states that

2978
03:27:08,568 --> 03:27:10,648
the liquor permit of the event would be taken out

2979
03:27:10,648 --> 03:27:13,648
by the couple getting married. This is a workaround that

2980
03:27:13,648 --> 03:27:16,648
removes any of the legal responsibility for serving alcohol from

2981
03:27:16,648 --> 03:27:20,288
the proposed venue. As anyone in the alcohol beverage industry

2982
03:27:20,288 --> 03:27:23,408
can tell you a primary enforcement tool and penalty the

2983
03:27:23,408 --> 03:27:26,668
inspectors use as the threat of or. Actual suspension of

2984
03:27:26,668 --> 03:27:32,628
the liquor license, overserved customers, fighting, serving miners. All of

2985
03:27:32,628 --> 03:27:35,548
these can result in fines and permit suspension that this

2986
03:27:35,548 --> 03:27:37,948
proponent would avoid by making the guests take out the

2987
03:27:37,948 --> 03:27:42,468
permit. This represents unfair competition and decreased accountability for the

2988
03:27:42,468 --> 03:27:46,408
safe serving of alcohol. As of the winery that holds

2989
03:27:46,408 --> 03:27:49,728
the grape contract for the vineyard immediately next door, I

2990
03:27:49,728 --> 03:27:52,888
must raise my concerns about the impact of wedding activities

2991
03:27:52,888 --> 03:27:55,608
every Saturday during peak grape growing season would have on

2992
03:27:55,608 --> 03:27:58,328
the farming of those grapes. The owners of the vineyard

2993
03:27:58,328 --> 03:28:01,008
next door work for other companies during the week. And

2994
03:28:01,008 --> 03:28:03,328
I managed my own vineyard with my crew Monday to

2995
03:28:03,328 --> 03:28:07,619
Friday. Saturday is the day the vineyard owners and I

2996
03:28:07,619 --> 03:28:11,738
are able to work on the vineyard together. These activities

2997
03:28:11,738 --> 03:28:16,378
include spraying the vineyard with antifungals, organic antifungal, such as

2998
03:28:16,378 --> 03:28:20,258
sulfur have a very, very strong odor, and as does

2999
03:28:20,258 --> 03:28:24,178
the application of manure compost. These strong odors can last

3000
03:28:24,178 --> 03:28:29,872
for days. Other activities, such as the running of tractors

3001
03:28:29,872 --> 03:28:33,352
and atvs, operating two stroke weed eaters, chainsaws and vine

3002
03:28:33,352 --> 03:28:36,992
hedgers generate loud noises typical to vineyard operations, as are

3003
03:28:36,992 --> 03:28:40,770
recognized in the al R and a two zoning. Does

3004
03:28:40,770 --> 03:28:43,250
council expect us to surrender our legislative right to farm

3005
03:28:43,250 --> 03:28:48,128
just to avoid conflict with the weddings? While we're talking

3006
03:28:48,128 --> 03:28:50,568
about farming, I would like to raise the issue of

3007
03:28:50,568 --> 03:28:55,009
biosecurity. The couch and valley suffering from the introduction of

3008
03:28:55,009 --> 03:28:58,489
an invasive insect, philoxera. For those of you not in

3009
03:28:58,489 --> 03:29:01,809
the grape farming industry. Philoxer is the insect plague that

3010
03:29:01,809 --> 03:29:04,809
nearly wiped out the wine industry a few decades ago.

3011
03:29:04,809 --> 03:29:06,809
It has spread on the shoes of those walking through

3012
03:29:06,809 --> 03:29:09,609
a vineyard and on vehicles and equipment used in an

3013
03:29:09,609 --> 03:29:12,529
affected vineyard. So you're coming up on time. But if

3014
03:29:12,529 --> 03:29:16,391
there's no. Other speakers I'd like to. If you want

3015
03:29:16,391 --> 03:29:18,511
to finish and then I'll open up to others for

3016
03:29:18,511 --> 03:29:21,900
second round. Those vineyards are better. If you could hold

3017
03:29:21,900 --> 03:29:25,480
on for one moment. Point of privilege. You get three.

3018
03:29:25,480 --> 03:29:28,720
Three minute maximum, though, correct? It's unlimited. No. Okay, just.

3019
03:29:28,720 --> 03:29:31,800
For some limited. Just wanted a clarification, that's all. Thank

3020
03:29:31,800 --> 03:29:37,472
you. Please continue. I thank council for their flexibility here.

3021
03:29:37,472 --> 03:29:40,192
I genuinely appreciate it. Those vineyards that are in the

3022
03:29:40,192 --> 03:29:43,472
Wine Islands Growers association. Winger members were all subjected to

3023
03:29:43,472 --> 03:29:47,792
BC agricultural ministry inspection, field sampling and lab testing to

3024
03:29:47,792 --> 03:29:52,950
identify the philoxer infestation status. Those vineyards that were all

3025
03:29:52,950 --> 03:29:59,103
found positive, all. Have federally enforced biosecurity protocols in place

3026
03:29:59,103 --> 03:30:01,663
that include equipment cleaning and bleach. Baths for your shoes.

3027
03:30:01,663 --> 03:30:04,703
What you must walk through. When another vineyard staff member

3028
03:30:04,703 --> 03:30:08,623
enters my vineyard, we ensure their shoes are decontaminated as

3029
03:30:08,623 --> 03:30:10,903
oak and vine. Hasn't been a wig of amber I

3030
03:30:10,903 --> 03:30:13,983
do not know the vines philoxro status or the risk

3031
03:30:13,983 --> 03:30:15,783
at the wedding guests. Would present if they were to

3032
03:30:15,783 --> 03:30:19,635
go from the. Oak and wine property. Over to my

3033
03:30:19,635 --> 03:30:22,035
property to have a wine tasting even the next day

3034
03:30:22,035 --> 03:30:25,078
or even days later. Is there a plan to get

3035
03:30:25,078 --> 03:30:28,798
the property tested? Given the atrophied state of the vine

3036
03:30:28,798 --> 03:30:33,068
on the properties. And the visible vine death happening. One

3037
03:30:33,068 --> 03:30:35,068
must wonder if it is philosophy that is part of

3038
03:30:35,068 --> 03:30:38,341
the problem. Some of you may know that prior to

3039
03:30:38,341 --> 03:30:41,101
entering the grape farming industry, I was a health and

3040
03:30:41,101 --> 03:30:44,021
safety professional. I worked as a safety director for a

3041
03:30:44,021 --> 03:30:49,101
major canadian and global multinational companies, including as the director

3042
03:30:49,101 --> 03:30:51,741
of the safety director for the largest road contractor in

3043
03:30:51,741 --> 03:30:57,802
western Canada. I'm a past member of the Canadian Society

3044
03:30:57,802 --> 03:31:02,762
Safety Engineers, and I'm also experienced accident investigator and instructor,

3045
03:31:02,762 --> 03:31:05,362
and some of my students have included the RCMP and

3046
03:31:05,362 --> 03:31:09,558
other forms of law enforcement. I also have experience pulling

3047
03:31:09,558 --> 03:31:11,478
in and out of the property next door to the

3048
03:31:11,478 --> 03:31:13,598
oak and vine. In my car, in my grape bin

3049
03:31:13,598 --> 03:31:17,518
loaded sprinter van. This is a busy road and getting

3050
03:31:17,518 --> 03:31:20,758
on and off Lakes Road safely is a risk. At

3051
03:31:20,758 --> 03:31:25,238
that site, the North Couch and Engineering Department report states

3052
03:31:25,238 --> 03:31:28,918
that Lakes Road, which is classified as a high. Volume.

3053
03:31:28,918 --> 03:31:33,238
Arterial road has a posted speed limit of 60 km/hour

3054
03:31:33,238 --> 03:31:36,318
but that the report noted that 85% of the traffic

3055
03:31:36,318 --> 03:31:38,958
at that point exceeded this to an average speed of

3056
03:31:38,958 --> 03:31:43,238
78 km/hour. This is 18 km an hour faster than

3057
03:31:43,238 --> 03:31:47,365
the posted speed limit. I would highlight that this difference

3058
03:31:47,365 --> 03:31:50,085
increases the stopping distance for a vehicle by over 50%.

3059
03:31:51,844 --> 03:31:54,644
North couch in engineering has presented three options to make

3060
03:31:54,644 --> 03:31:56,644
the selection of the road section of the road safer.

3061
03:31:59,537 --> 03:32:02,457
The latest staff report recommends the selection of the cheapest

3062
03:32:02,457 --> 03:32:06,697
and least effective auction presented by the engineering department be

3063
03:32:06,697 --> 03:32:13,709
adopted. Mayor, councilors, if there is a fatality on that

3064
03:32:13,709 --> 03:32:17,309
section of the road where excessive speeds of 85% of

3065
03:32:17,309 --> 03:32:21,109
traffic have been formally documented by your engineering department. Are

3066
03:32:21,109 --> 03:32:24,829
you comfortable telling the surviving family, the media and voters

3067
03:32:24,829 --> 03:32:27,749
that you endorse the least effective option for road safety.

3068
03:32:27,749 --> 03:32:31,785
Because it was cheaper. As a safety engineer, I would

3069
03:32:31,785 --> 03:32:35,422
never make that call. In closing, it is for all

3070
03:32:35,422 --> 03:32:38,142
of these reasons that we find ourselves unable to support

3071
03:32:38,142 --> 03:32:42,016
the zoning amendment application. And formally register our opposition. As

3072
03:32:42,016 --> 03:32:46,296
north couch and farmers, small business owners and community members,

3073
03:32:46,296 --> 03:32:49,056
I thank you for your time and consideration in listening

3074
03:32:49,056 --> 03:32:58,863
to our concerns. All

3075
03:32:58,863 --> 03:33:02,143
right, one more time. So, good evening, mayor and council.

3076
03:33:02,143 --> 03:33:05,583
My name is Kerry Nengren. Tonight, we've heard a great

3077
03:33:05,583 --> 03:33:09,903
deal about the perceived economic benefits of though combined application,

3078
03:33:09,903 --> 03:33:13,343
but a responsible decision requires this council to look beyond

3079
03:33:13,343 --> 03:33:17,008
the limited profits and balance those claims against. The very

3080
03:33:17,008 --> 03:33:21,494
real economic costs to our community. This application sets a

3081
03:33:21,494 --> 03:33:25,374
dangerous precedent. It suggests the applicant can avoid their fair

3082
03:33:25,374 --> 03:33:28,854
share of commercial property. Taxes and water fees by masking

3083
03:33:28,854 --> 03:33:33,473
a large scale commercial operation on a residential property. While

3084
03:33:33,473 --> 03:33:36,393
the spot rezoning will allow the use, I suspect the

3085
03:33:36,393 --> 03:33:40,953
property will retain a residential classification, meaning residential tax, water

3086
03:33:40,953 --> 03:33:45,720
and other utility rates. This creates hidden costs. When a

3087
03:33:45,720 --> 03:33:49,720
business doesn't pay its fair share, the burden doesn't. Disappear,

3088
03:33:49,720 --> 03:33:53,681
it is shifted onto the residential taxpayers. It is asking

3089
03:33:53,681 --> 03:33:57,081
the community to subsidize the profit margins of a single

3090
03:33:57,081 --> 03:34:01,081
owner. Further the applicant is attempting to avoid the road

3091
03:34:01,081 --> 03:34:05,441
upgrades necessary for public safety. These aren't paid. For upfront

3092
03:34:05,441 --> 03:34:09,281
by the applicant, the municipality, and therefore the taxpayers are

3093
03:34:09,281 --> 03:34:11,721
left footing the bill when an accident occurs and the

3094
03:34:11,721 --> 03:34:17,221
widening finally gets prior. Prioritized. Results so inactive. Unfair competition,

3095
03:34:17,221 --> 03:34:20,501
as has been mentioned with other wineries, but just in

3096
03:34:20,501 --> 03:34:23,381
general by avoiding the provincial rules that other venues of

3097
03:34:23,381 --> 03:34:25,901
this nature have to operate under, and the overhead that

3098
03:34:25,901 --> 03:34:29,381
other businesses pay, this applicant can undercut the prices of

3099
03:34:29,381 --> 03:34:33,821
other venues who operate responsibly pay commercial rates and follow

3100
03:34:33,821 --> 03:34:37,354
the rules. We should be protecting the businesses that play

3101
03:34:37,354 --> 03:34:40,394
by the rules, not granting a competitive advantage to those

3102
03:34:40,394 --> 03:34:44,970
who bypass them. Finally, we must consider the economic risk

3103
03:34:44,970 --> 03:34:48,490
to our local winery and farming industry raised today. Our

3104
03:34:48,490 --> 03:34:52,530
wineries are a far greater significant contributor to our local

3105
03:34:52,530 --> 03:34:57,370
economy. This high traffic venue, as proposed increases introduces significant

3106
03:34:57,370 --> 03:35:01,170
biosecurity risks that jeopardize the health of neighboring vineyards, including

3107
03:35:01,170 --> 03:35:06,523
my own. Economic development should be responsible, fair and safe.

3108
03:35:06,523 --> 03:35:09,603
This proposals, none of those things. It places the burden

3109
03:35:09,603 --> 03:35:13,123
on taxpayers, creates an uneven playing field for responsible business

3110
03:35:13,123 --> 03:35:16,723
owners and risks the health of our local wine industry.

3111
03:35:16,723 --> 03:35:18,683
For these reasons, I urge you to look at the

3112
03:35:18,683 --> 03:35:22,862
full economic picture and reject this. Application. And I just

3113
03:35:22,862 --> 03:35:25,262
want to say none of this has ever been personal.

3114
03:35:27,291 --> 03:35:32,011
We actually reached out to the applicants recently and met

3115
03:35:32,011 --> 03:35:34,331
with them earlier this week in an attempt to resolve

3116
03:35:34,331 --> 03:35:37,811
things. We did agree that these challenges, some of these

3117
03:35:37,811 --> 03:35:40,171
challenges are not of their making. They have to do

3118
03:35:40,171 --> 03:35:43,331
with the structures and the rules and the bylaws that

3119
03:35:43,331 --> 03:35:46,091
do and do not exist, but they do impact this.

3120
03:35:47,487 --> 03:35:50,567
Application and how the neighbors will experience the consequences if

3121
03:35:50,567 --> 03:35:55,037
council. Approves the rezoning. So, again, for these reasons, I

3122
03:35:55,037 --> 03:35:59,797
respectfully ask counsel to reject the permanent application and consider

3123
03:35:59,797 --> 03:36:04,102
your other options. Thank you. Are there any other speakers

3124
03:36:04,102 --> 03:36:08,590
who would like to step forward? Now, I'll call in

3125
03:36:08,590 --> 03:36:12,230
the public a second time to share their comments, and

3126
03:36:12,230 --> 03:36:14,630
I will. Now call in the public a third and

3127
03:36:14,630 --> 03:36:19,637
final time to share their comments. Lastly, I'd like to

3128
03:36:19,637 --> 03:36:22,997
provide staff and the applicant with an opportunity to respond

3129
03:36:22,997 --> 03:36:26,037
to new information or factual matters have been raised during

3130
03:36:26,037 --> 03:36:31,802
the public hearing. So start with staff. Any comments? I'd

3131
03:36:31,802 --> 03:36:34,642
like to invite the applicants to come to the podium

3132
03:36:34,642 --> 03:36:37,722
if they have any new. Information or factual matters that

3133
03:36:37,722 --> 03:36:43,467
have been raised during the public hearing. Is this the

3134
03:36:43,467 --> 03:36:45,027
time I can respond to some of the things that

3135
03:36:45,027 --> 03:36:48,947
were said? Yeah. New information. Or no? Hey, just want

3136
03:36:48,947 --> 03:36:57,655
to make sure. Yeah. Well, I can say there's lots

3137
03:36:57,655 --> 03:37:00,575
of hearsay here tonight. Facts and a bit of entertainment.

3138
03:37:02,185 --> 03:37:04,305
Andrew just pointed out that he would welcome the council

3139
03:37:04,305 --> 03:37:08,265
to his backyard. He can confirm December 19. He turned

3140
03:37:08,265 --> 03:37:10,585
me down for that exact offer so I could see

3141
03:37:10,585 --> 03:37:14,410
his concerns real time. When I met with Suzanne and

3142
03:37:14,410 --> 03:37:17,530
asked her about specific events that really impacted her, she's

3143
03:37:17,530 --> 03:37:20,650
a neighbor behind me, she replied. They usually spend the

3144
03:37:20,650 --> 03:37:24,056
summers away and couldn't comment. We did meet with Jamie

3145
03:37:24,056 --> 03:37:27,176
and Kareen about the weekend farming practices on the weekend.

3146
03:37:28,679 --> 03:37:30,439
And we only asked that we work together during the

3147
03:37:30,439 --> 03:37:33,839
ceremony. That might be 20 minutes in duration. We didn't

3148
03:37:33,839 --> 03:37:35,879
care about the rest. We understand they have work to

3149
03:37:35,879 --> 03:37:38,764
do because they work. All week. Just as we do.

3150
03:37:40,121 --> 03:37:43,721
Zach, the wine expert. We are junior great farmers. We

3151
03:37:43,721 --> 03:37:46,921
just started. We purchased an ailing vineyard. And we are

3152
03:37:46,921 --> 03:37:49,521
working at turning it around. We hope in the future

3153
03:37:49,521 --> 03:37:52,401
to become a member of your wine association and pick

3154
03:37:52,401 --> 03:37:55,801
your brain on your expert vine growing skills. But that

3155
03:37:55,801 --> 03:38:02,743
takes time. Counsel. Keep in mind Karina's customer and a

3156
03:38:02,743 --> 03:38:05,063
friend. And from what I can gather, now. Tonight we

3157
03:38:05,063 --> 03:38:08,573
are a competitor. I didn't even know. They'd be very

3158
03:38:08,573 --> 03:38:12,195
vested in our vines to not succeed. We all read

3159
03:38:12,195 --> 03:38:15,235
the file report. It's very thorough and covered all of

3160
03:38:15,235 --> 03:38:18,475
the questions in the legal letter submitted by our neighbor

3161
03:38:18,475 --> 03:38:22,755
George Farkus added comments regarding the questions around the Alc

3162
03:38:22,755 --> 03:38:27,361
or the miss. Missing appropriation of ALC OCP and the

3163
03:38:27,361 --> 03:38:31,145
liquor license concerns. They validated everything in the file report

3164
03:38:31,145 --> 03:38:34,521
to be correct. As you can tell, there could be

3165
03:38:34,521 --> 03:38:37,281
some personal conflicts at play here tonight, but aside from

3166
03:38:37,281 --> 03:38:41,881
this. It's similar to the earlier cannabis zoning hearing. Everyone's

3167
03:38:41,881 --> 03:38:45,281
worried about the unknown change. And personal interests. We have

3168
03:38:45,281 --> 03:38:47,881
a property that is zoned for uses that are more

3169
03:38:47,881 --> 03:38:51,481
impactful. Than what we are asking for. This also goes

3170
03:38:51,481 --> 03:38:54,534
for the road widing the current zone. Zoned uses bring

3171
03:38:54,534 --> 03:38:58,694
more impactful, consistent traffic than 13 to 16 vehicles making

3172
03:38:58,694 --> 03:39:01,334
a left hand turn into a property ten times a

3173
03:39:01,334 --> 03:39:04,377
year. I know this has been a long meeting, but

3174
03:39:04,377 --> 03:39:07,017
I want to thank everyone that has attended both. Opposed

3175
03:39:07,017 --> 03:39:12,027
and in support tonight. To have an impactful discussion. Thanks

3176
03:39:12,027 --> 03:39:15,235
for your time. I'd also like to speak to some

3177
03:39:15,235 --> 03:39:18,075
of the concerns that were brought up, and I do.

3178
03:39:18,075 --> 03:39:21,475
Just want to state, like, we're not asking to reinvent

3179
03:39:21,475 --> 03:39:27,218
the wheel here. Like many, many wedding venues, operate in

3180
03:39:27,218 --> 03:39:31,462
town with no problems. And we're not asking for any

3181
03:39:31,462 --> 03:39:35,166
different. We're actually asking for a lot less. Special event

3182
03:39:35,166 --> 03:39:40,046
permits are standard practice of any wedding venue. I worked

3183
03:39:40,046 --> 03:39:42,806
with the RCMP back when I got my first permit,

3184
03:39:42,806 --> 03:39:46,580
they came over to my property. And they stated that

3185
03:39:46,580 --> 03:39:49,100
they can show up at any time during the event.

3186
03:39:50,426 --> 03:39:54,226
And the couple? Yes. They are liable for a $10,000

3187
03:39:54,226 --> 03:39:56,746
fine if they don't. Abide by what's in that special

3188
03:39:56,746 --> 03:39:59,706
event permit. So that means that a half an hour

3189
03:39:59,706 --> 03:40:02,426
before end time, the bar has to shut off. There's

3190
03:40:02,426 --> 03:40:06,343
no drinks allowed and. The bartenders are very. Strict about

3191
03:40:06,343 --> 03:40:08,343
that. They don't want to get in trouble either. There

3192
03:40:08,343 --> 03:40:11,063
is actually lots of rules around a special event permit.

3193
03:40:11,063 --> 03:40:13,423
That's why it has worked for so many other wedding

3194
03:40:13,423 --> 03:40:18,666
venues already. This is nothing new. We're just following the

3195
03:40:18,666 --> 03:40:21,506
same process that all the other wedding venues in town

3196
03:40:21,506 --> 03:40:23,506
that I have worked at over and over and over

3197
03:40:23,506 --> 03:40:27,344
are doing. So I do feel that that's not really

3198
03:40:27,344 --> 03:40:30,504
a valid point in any of this. There's already processes

3199
03:40:30,504 --> 03:40:33,304
in place and our CMP are already all over it.

3200
03:40:35,346 --> 03:40:40,085
Okay. I'm going to speak to the bylaw infractions that

3201
03:40:40,085 --> 03:40:43,925
everybody keeps saying that. I've done, and I'm really struggling

3202
03:40:43,925 --> 03:40:47,005
with this one because I've never built anything without a

3203
03:40:47,005 --> 03:40:50,005
building permit. We've never torn anything down. I don't know.

3204
03:40:50,005 --> 03:40:53,525
Where that information came from. We've never had to rebuild

3205
03:40:53,525 --> 03:40:59,515
anything. That's just completely non factual. Can we speak to

3206
03:40:59,515 --> 03:41:04,366
it tonight? Can I speak to it tonight? So with

3207
03:41:04,366 --> 03:41:08,326
the bylaw. I have had bylaw on my property one

3208
03:41:08,326 --> 03:41:11,406
single time, knocking on my door. And it had nothing

3209
03:41:11,406 --> 03:41:14,875
to do with the wedding venue. It was actually. A

3210
03:41:14,875 --> 03:41:20,873
neighbor in the back. Reported. Piles of tweet branches in

3211
03:41:20,873 --> 03:41:22,673
my back property that they wanted me to clean up.

3212
03:41:23,984 --> 03:41:28,145
Bylaw came and investigated, and it was dismissed because. It's

3213
03:41:28,145 --> 03:41:29,825
in our back forest. We don't actually have to clean

3214
03:41:29,825 --> 03:41:34,095
them up. And then the only other valid bylaw complaint

3215
03:41:34,095 --> 03:41:37,495
was for our secondary suite that was on the property

3216
03:41:37,495 --> 03:41:41,142
when we bought it in 2015. It was an affordable

3217
03:41:41,142 --> 03:41:44,702
rental. We rented it for $1,000 a month, and our

3218
03:41:44,702 --> 03:41:50,672
neighboring property. Our neighbor. Property line neighbor called it in

3219
03:41:50,672 --> 03:41:53,512
when she found out about our wedding venue, and we

3220
03:41:53,512 --> 03:41:56,432
had to kick out our couple, who had lived there

3221
03:41:56,432 --> 03:41:59,672
and were having an affordable rental, and so when they

3222
03:41:59,672 --> 03:42:02,272
keep talking about how I haven't abided by the rules.

3223
03:42:02,272 --> 03:42:06,152
I'm very confused about this because my original permit stated

3224
03:42:06,152 --> 03:42:09,154
I. Could have 14 events in one year on my

3225
03:42:09,154 --> 03:42:11,514
land. It actually didn't state that I had to have

3226
03:42:11,514 --> 03:42:14,474
it inside the soundproof building. I just wanted to, and

3227
03:42:14,474 --> 03:42:17,954
then I couldn't. Because of Covid. So, yes, I would

3228
03:42:17,954 --> 03:42:21,197
have wanted to do that. But it didn't happen. But

3229
03:42:21,197 --> 03:42:24,237
that actually wasn't a bylaw infraction. I've never been fined

3230
03:42:24,237 --> 03:42:27,117
by bylaw. And again, one time they've been on my

3231
03:42:27,117 --> 03:42:32,732
property. So. I'm a bit confused, but I did want

3232
03:42:32,732 --> 03:42:35,124
to speak to that because. They keep on saying that

3233
03:42:35,124 --> 03:42:37,604
I don't abide by the rules. And like many people,

3234
03:42:37,604 --> 03:42:40,524
here have said I've been picked on my whole life

3235
03:42:40,524 --> 03:42:42,284
for following the rules too much. My family makes fun

3236
03:42:42,284 --> 03:42:45,389
of me all the time. So I take it very

3237
03:42:45,389 --> 03:42:48,029
seriously in the future that I will be following the

3238
03:42:48,029 --> 03:42:52,109
rules. If this goes through tonight. Because again, even with

3239
03:42:52,109 --> 03:42:54,389
the 11:00 p.m. cut off, I don't want to work

3240
03:42:54,389 --> 03:42:56,789
any later than that. I want to clean up, and

3241
03:42:56,789 --> 03:42:58,669
by the time. I'm done cleaning up in there and

3242
03:42:58,669 --> 03:43:02,069
going back in the house, it's midnight. So 11:00 p.m.

3243
03:43:02,069 --> 03:43:05,195
is actually a great time for cut offs. And that

3244
03:43:05,195 --> 03:43:07,275
would be the rule. Ten events was already a lot

3245
03:43:07,275 --> 03:43:09,755
of work for us. That would be the rule I

3246
03:43:09,755 --> 03:43:13,585
don't want to do anymore. Liquor licensing. Again with the

3247
03:43:13,585 --> 03:43:18,238
second event. There is no second event. We are zoned

3248
03:43:18,238 --> 03:43:20,638
and allowed to have a bed and breakfast, and these

3249
03:43:20,638 --> 03:43:23,598
are our bed and breakfast guests that are there at

3250
03:43:23,598 --> 03:43:27,231
a rehearsal. You don't ask bed and breakfast guests to

3251
03:43:27,231 --> 03:43:29,391
go and take out a liquor license to. Have a

3252
03:43:29,391 --> 03:43:31,831
barbecue. You don't do that. That's not part of it.

3253
03:43:38,847 --> 03:43:42,522
Sorry. Just reviewing my notes here, I think. That's probably

3254
03:43:42,522 --> 03:43:46,711
most of it we have dealt with. A significant amount

3255
03:43:46,711 --> 03:43:50,191
of opposition over the years, and we have really tried

3256
03:43:50,191 --> 03:43:54,820
to work with people. We have found. That some people

3257
03:43:54,820 --> 03:43:57,220
don't want to be worked with. And that's fine. I

3258
03:43:57,220 --> 03:44:00,860
understand. That. And I understand that change is hard, but

3259
03:44:00,860 --> 03:44:04,220
we have made every reasonable effort to make sure that

3260
03:44:04,220 --> 03:44:06,860
their lives are not going to be impacted by this.

3261
03:44:06,860 --> 03:44:09,700
80 people is a very small wedding. This is not

3262
03:44:09,700 --> 03:44:14,739
high traffic or high commercial use like everybody. Keeps saying.

3263
03:44:15,856 --> 03:44:18,656
This is small. 80 people at a wedding is considered

3264
03:44:18,656 --> 03:44:23,313
a small wedding. But I do want to thank staff

3265
03:44:23,313 --> 03:44:25,913
because I know that this has been a hard file.

3266
03:44:30,026 --> 03:44:33,956
And. My experience this go round has been amazing, and

3267
03:44:33,956 --> 03:44:38,720
I'm really thankful for that because last time. That wasn't

3268
03:44:38,720 --> 03:44:41,120
always the case. It was really, really challenging the past.

3269
03:44:41,120 --> 03:44:42,720
And I think that did have to do with the

3270
03:44:42,720 --> 03:44:46,440
pandemic, but this time they've been very thorough. And our

3271
03:44:46,440 --> 03:44:50,294
fellow report. Is. I think it kind of answers everything

3272
03:44:50,294 --> 03:44:54,073
that needs to be answered. So I do thank the

3273
03:44:54,073 --> 03:44:59,361
staff for that very much. And moving forward. We don't

3274
03:44:59,361 --> 03:45:02,401
want to live in conflict with neighbors. We do want

3275
03:45:02,401 --> 03:45:05,761
to with our one. Neighbor. We do want to be

3276
03:45:05,761 --> 03:45:10,352
able to move forward and peacefully coexist. Like we've been

3277
03:45:10,352 --> 03:45:13,752
able to do with many other neighbors over the time.

3278
03:45:16,038 --> 03:45:19,638
And speaking to the vineyard like, yeah, our vineyard is

3279
03:45:19,638 --> 03:45:23,532
failing, and. I did not have a supportive partner in

3280
03:45:23,532 --> 03:45:26,212
the past that wanted to work on the vineyard and

3281
03:45:26,212 --> 03:45:29,592
that's not the case anymore. This is a different situation.

3282
03:45:31,179 --> 03:45:32,859
I have a lot of support now, and we want

3283
03:45:32,859 --> 03:45:35,499
to be able to turn this vineyard around. But we

3284
03:45:35,499 --> 03:45:38,059
can't do that unless we actually have the income to

3285
03:45:38,059 --> 03:45:42,419
come in, because it's expensive. Farming is expensive. And that's

3286
03:45:42,419 --> 03:45:47,387
exactly why the Alr put into place. That ALR properties

3287
03:45:47,387 --> 03:45:50,587
can do these non farm use events to bring in

3288
03:45:50,587 --> 03:45:53,547
money to help them. To subsidize their farming. We are

3289
03:45:53,547 --> 03:45:57,380
asking for the same thing. We are farmers. We are

3290
03:45:57,380 --> 03:46:01,114
outside all day, every day in the summer. We planted

3291
03:46:01,114 --> 03:46:04,514
430 lavender plants, and they're thriving. And that's just the

3292
03:46:04,514 --> 03:46:07,594
beginning. We are looking forward to the future, being able

3293
03:46:07,594 --> 03:46:11,929
to put in honeybees and do so much. More. So

3294
03:46:11,929 --> 03:46:14,289
we're really just asking for the same thing. And what

3295
03:46:14,289 --> 03:46:17,409
the distillery use, that is. True. In 2023, I completely

3296
03:46:17,409 --> 03:46:20,209
gave up. I was done. I was selling my property.

3297
03:46:20,209 --> 03:46:24,129
I was done with the process. I had given up,

3298
03:46:24,129 --> 03:46:25,929
and so I was in talks of selling it to

3299
03:46:25,929 --> 03:46:28,529
a distillery because they wanted to take it over and

3300
03:46:28,529 --> 03:46:30,089
they wanted to do exactly what I want. To do

3301
03:46:30,089 --> 03:46:32,316
with it. They wanted to host event. Events. It's beautiful.

3302
03:46:33,763 --> 03:46:37,763
That was a large scale distillery. They were very excited

3303
03:46:37,763 --> 03:46:41,754
about it. And then Randy. He convinced me. Try, please,

3304
03:46:41,754 --> 03:46:44,674
one more time. Let's just try this and we're. A

3305
03:46:44,674 --> 03:46:47,195
family, and we're a small business. And we just want

3306
03:46:47,195 --> 03:46:50,395
to be able to have this business for the community,

3307
03:46:50,395 --> 03:46:54,715
so let us try. Instead of having a larger corporation

3308
03:46:54,715 --> 03:47:01,186
come in and do it anyways. Yeah. Thank you. Thank

3309
03:47:01,186 --> 03:47:05,389
you. All right here. You know. Further comments, the public

3310
03:47:05,389 --> 03:47:13,685
hearing for Bylaw number 40 30 is now closed. No

3311
03:47:13,685 --> 03:47:17,085
further verbal or written presentations will be received by any

3312
03:47:17,085 --> 03:47:20,445
member of council. However, council may receive technical information from

3313
03:47:20,445 --> 03:47:25,479
its own staff. I'll now reconvene our regular council meeting

3314
03:47:25,479 --> 03:47:29,660
at 10:40 p.m. The bottle off for consideration of third

3315
03:47:29,660 --> 03:47:33,260
reading is on amendment bylaw number 40 32,025. Do I

3316
03:47:33,260 --> 03:47:36,914
have a mover for third reading? Before we get that

3317
03:47:36,914 --> 03:47:42,868
motion. On the table. We have been asked by several

3318
03:47:42,868 --> 03:47:47,708
people to at least consider a temporary use permit, which

3319
03:47:47,708 --> 03:47:51,658
would allow the community to. See if things really work.

3320
03:47:51,658 --> 03:47:54,578
And I think Ms. Wood just said, give us a

3321
03:47:54,578 --> 03:47:58,781
chance to try. I think it might also allow that.

3322
03:47:58,781 --> 03:48:01,741
Personally, I think it would be a reasonable approach to

3323
03:48:01,741 --> 03:48:04,517
test it out for a few years. And see if

3324
03:48:04,517 --> 03:48:08,753
it's actually going to work for the community. So before

3325
03:48:08,753 --> 03:48:10,673
there's a motion on the floor, I just would open

3326
03:48:10,673 --> 03:48:15,806
it up to council. If there's any appetite or way

3327
03:48:15,806 --> 03:48:18,566
that we could set this aside for a few years.

3328
03:48:18,566 --> 03:48:21,246
And put a temporary use permit in place to see

3329
03:48:21,246 --> 03:48:25,606
if it in fact operate as it should. So I

3330
03:48:25,606 --> 03:48:33,841
just throw it out to council. Councilor Manhat. Thank you,

3331
03:48:33,841 --> 03:48:35,401
Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mirror, I'm going to be against the

3332
03:48:35,401 --> 03:48:37,681
temporary use permit they've already had a couple of temporary

3333
03:48:37,681 --> 03:48:40,321
use permits already. I think it's time to move on

3334
03:48:40,321 --> 03:48:46,189
with this. And make this permanent. Any further comments around

3335
03:48:46,189 --> 03:48:54,242
the table. Councilor stash. I had shared with yourself and

3336
03:48:54,242 --> 03:48:56,242
I had mentioned at the previous meeting I was leaning

3337
03:48:56,242 --> 03:49:01,643
towards tempering. Use permit. But based on the legal advice

3338
03:49:01,643 --> 03:49:05,075
that we have received, And some really good back and

3339
03:49:05,075 --> 03:49:13,224
forth with staff. I see. And hopefully. With council support.

3340
03:49:13,224 --> 03:49:17,144
There's actual meaningful things we can do now that would

3341
03:49:17,144 --> 03:49:20,706
serve. The same outcomes that a temporary use permit would

3342
03:49:20,706 --> 03:49:25,718
do through the zoning process. And part of that context

3343
03:49:25,718 --> 03:49:29,820
was included. It was a last minute staff report. With.

3344
03:49:31,543 --> 03:49:36,496
Those new understandings and our discussions with legal counsel. I

3345
03:49:36,496 --> 03:49:39,356
think. That we don't need to go to the path

3346
03:49:39,356 --> 03:49:43,256
of the temporary use permit. This is my personal thought

3347
03:49:43,256 --> 03:49:45,336
on that, even though that's the way I wanted to

3348
03:49:45,336 --> 03:49:49,058
go. Because. I didn't see any ways, as council justice

3349
03:49:49,058 --> 03:49:52,138
said, to see if it doesn't. Work out. We didn't

3350
03:49:52,138 --> 03:49:53,778
have the means to do it, but it looks like

3351
03:49:53,778 --> 03:49:57,440
we would. Have means. To change things if it isn't

3352
03:49:57,440 --> 03:50:03,310
an amicable situation. Any further commas around the table.

3353
03:50:07,490 --> 03:50:14,037
Councilor Calio. Thank you, mayor. I'd like to ask staff.

3354
03:50:15,821 --> 03:50:17,741
Reading a report. It spoke in the report that we

3355
03:50:17,741 --> 03:50:22,170
had at the last meeting about the reasons why? The

3356
03:50:22,170 --> 03:50:25,179
tup does not fit this application. What a member of

3357
03:50:25,179 --> 03:50:31,608
staff like to comment on that. Is, y'all.

3358
03:50:35,764 --> 03:50:38,564
Yeah, it is. In the report that was attached for

3359
03:50:38,564 --> 03:50:45,414
first and second reading. Essentially. First of all, that's not

3360
03:50:45,414 --> 03:50:52,480
what's been applied for here. But secondly. It does speak

3361
03:50:52,480 --> 03:50:58,096
in the OCP specifically. To only use, only uses that

3362
03:50:58,096 --> 03:51:00,936
will not result in permanent facilities under land, alterations that

3363
03:51:00,936 --> 03:51:05,096
will encourage noncompliance once the temporary use permit has expired.

3364
03:51:12,920 --> 03:51:18,290
First of all, to understand previously, when. The first up

3365
03:51:18,290 --> 03:51:21,850
came in, we were operating under a different OCP that

3366
03:51:21,850 --> 03:51:25,710
had different. Framework as far as what should be considered

3367
03:51:25,710 --> 03:51:34,502
with tups. But staff. 's position is still that the

3368
03:51:34,502 --> 03:51:37,142
temporary use permit is not the most appropriate tool in

3369
03:51:37,142 --> 03:51:43,459
this particular instance. Councilor justice just as follow up, because

3370
03:51:43,459 --> 03:51:45,179
I think what you just said was it's. Not the

3371
03:51:45,179 --> 03:51:48,099
most appropriate tool, but is it a possible tool?

3372
03:51:58,112 --> 03:52:01,392
Staff's position remains that it is not appropriate based on.

3373
03:52:02,880 --> 03:52:05,320
What the parameters are in the official community. Plan around

3374
03:52:05,320 --> 03:52:11,947
temporary use permits. We're not the decision makers. But that

3375
03:52:11,947 --> 03:52:18,830
is our interpretation of what's in the OCP. Mr mayor.

3376
03:52:21,409 --> 03:52:23,569
I don't actually quite know how to do this, but

3377
03:52:23,569 --> 03:52:27,409
I would like to just test. The council, so I

3378
03:52:27,409 --> 03:52:31,027
would like to. Move something that I don't have in

3379
03:52:31,027 --> 03:52:35,282
any sort of. Complex or any sort of a formal

3380
03:52:35,282 --> 03:52:39,161
way, but. I would just test counsel by saying I

3381
03:52:39,161 --> 03:52:42,641
would like to move that we move towards a temporary

3382
03:52:42,641 --> 03:52:46,518
use permit. In some capacity and postpone this decision of

3383
03:52:46,518 --> 03:52:50,358
a permanent rezoning for a period of two or three

3384
03:52:50,358 --> 03:52:55,319
years. My understanding, perhaps the corporate officer can weigh in

3385
03:52:55,319 --> 03:52:57,439
on this, but that if we did want to. Pursue

3386
03:52:57,439 --> 03:53:01,221
a temporary use permit. We would have to first deal

3387
03:53:01,221 --> 03:53:05,637
with the zoning amendment application. So if council were to

3388
03:53:05,637 --> 03:53:09,277
reject the third reading of the bylaw amendment, then we

3389
03:53:09,277 --> 03:53:13,889
would be in a position to consider. Inviting the applicant

3390
03:53:13,889 --> 03:53:17,889
to reapply with the temporary use permit. I think. I

3391
03:53:17,889 --> 03:53:21,009
believe we have to first deal with the zoning amendment

3392
03:53:21,009 --> 03:53:25,616
before us. Turn to miss May. I don't know the

3393
03:53:25,616 --> 03:53:28,416
answer to that question without looking it up. Honestly, I

3394
03:53:28,416 --> 03:53:30,696
can't. Say for certain. I'd have to look it up.

3395
03:53:33,996 --> 03:53:34,756
I guess I'm sort of looking at it to sort

3396
03:53:34,756 --> 03:53:38,196
of see if there would be. Support for going that

3397
03:53:38,196 --> 03:53:42,559
route. So I didn't get enough sort of feedback from

3398
03:53:42,559 --> 03:53:44,439
council the last time I tried it. So I'd like

3399
03:53:44,439 --> 03:53:46,279
to try it a little bit more formally. If I

3400
03:53:46,279 --> 03:53:51,115
could somehow just. Saying I'd like to move. That we

3401
03:53:51,115 --> 03:53:53,995
consider going in that direction somehow and see if there's

3402
03:53:53,995 --> 03:53:59,048
a seconder and see if council supports it. So I'm

3403
03:53:59,048 --> 03:54:01,528
just worried procedurally, right now, I think I do need

3404
03:54:01,528 --> 03:54:04,208
a bit of. Advice from staff on this because we

3405
03:54:04,208 --> 03:54:09,390
have just concluded. A public hearing on this, so if

3406
03:54:09,390 --> 03:54:12,510
we could take. I know everyone's been here waiting. Patiently

3407
03:54:12,510 --> 03:54:15,861
all night. But if we could take. Like a two

3408
03:54:15,861 --> 03:54:20,578
minute recess even. Yeah. Sure? Yeah. We're going to take

3409
03:54:20,578 --> 03:54:21,298
a two minute recess.

3410
04:00:24,147 --> 04:00:27,147
Mr. Mayor, you are now live. All right, we're now

3411
04:00:27,147 --> 04:00:30,587
going to resume our council meeting. We just had to

3412
04:00:30,587 --> 04:00:35,347
take a recess to get some advice from staff procedurally

3413
04:00:35,347 --> 04:00:38,907
on whether at this point, we should be considering a

3414
04:00:38,907 --> 04:00:42,187
third reading of the zoning amendment. Bylaw or the alternative.

3415
04:00:42,187 --> 04:00:46,076
That was suggested that. We refer this back to staff

3416
04:00:46,076 --> 04:00:49,356
to invite the applicant to submit a temporary use permit.

3417
04:00:49,356 --> 04:00:52,196
What? I'm advised by staff is that because the applicant

3418
04:00:52,196 --> 04:00:56,156
did apply for the zoning amendment bylaw? That we should

3419
04:00:56,156 --> 04:00:59,596
be dealing with this first, and then if it passes,

3420
04:00:59,596 --> 04:01:01,916
we determine next steps from there. And if it fails?

3421
04:01:01,916 --> 04:01:03,756
Then we'll be in a position to determine if we

3422
04:01:03,756 --> 04:01:08,167
want. To invite them to submit a temporary use permit.

3423
04:01:08,167 --> 04:01:09,767
So I'm going to turn to council. And ask if

3424
04:01:09,767 --> 04:01:13,103
someone would like to move. The third reading of zoning

3425
04:01:13,103 --> 04:01:16,463
amendment by law number 40 32,025, moved by councilor stash.

3426
04:01:18,447 --> 04:01:21,513
No. You said we can't do temporary use, Perma. We

3427
04:01:21,513 --> 04:01:28,088
can suggest amendments. To what's? Presented. Basically, I need clarification

3428
04:01:28,088 --> 04:01:33,975
on where. Because. The way we've talked about and we've

3429
04:01:33,975 --> 04:01:39,402
heard through public hearing is really like. As we saw,

3430
04:01:39,402 --> 04:01:42,202
I think about the other public hearings we've had already.

3431
04:01:43,157 --> 04:01:46,557
And first of mine is together we can and the

3432
04:01:46,557 --> 04:01:49,637
public petitions against that and saying, well, we've got a

3433
04:01:49,637 --> 04:01:51,757
good neighbor agreement. But what good is a good neighbor

3434
04:01:51,757 --> 04:01:57,846
agreement? And I feel. What these neighbors are feeling there

3435
04:01:57,846 --> 04:02:00,206
and through that is the meat of it is what

3436
04:02:00,206 --> 04:02:04,780
can we actually do. In our business licensing bylaw to

3437
04:02:04,780 --> 04:02:11,580
actually have substantive fine structures, business license revocation and more.

3438
04:02:11,580 --> 04:02:15,800
Power and control. That would come out. My understanding is

3439
04:02:15,800 --> 04:02:18,280
that would come after third reading. So we decide on

3440
04:02:18,280 --> 04:02:21,018
third. Reading right now and then. I was going to

3441
04:02:21,018 --> 04:02:23,498
ask. Thank you. Then council will have the option of

3442
04:02:23,498 --> 04:02:29,202
giving direction of staff. To either. Update. The business licensing

3443
04:02:29,202 --> 04:02:31,522
by a law or consider restrictive covenant or some other.

3444
04:02:33,234 --> 04:02:37,994
Parameters around. The application, Mr. Swavy. Mr. Mayor, I would

3445
04:02:37,994 --> 04:02:41,034
suggest that you have a debate about whether you're in

3446
04:02:41,034 --> 04:02:43,514
support of the application or not, and if you're in

3447
04:02:43,514 --> 04:02:47,274
support of it based on maybe a restrictive covenant that

3448
04:02:47,274 --> 04:02:51,114
ties some of the oversight in place. You would talk

3449
04:02:51,114 --> 04:02:56,286
about that now? And then that your support. Would be

3450
04:02:56,286 --> 04:03:01,206
subject to that being undertaken before we finalize the resulting.

3451
04:03:01,206 --> 04:03:02,966
So I think it's. Kind of a hybrid of it.

3452
04:03:04,596 --> 04:03:07,196
You want to understand that you're going down the path

3453
04:03:07,196 --> 04:03:11,602
of approving this at third. Reading. If there's restrictions put

3454
04:03:11,602 --> 04:03:14,682
in place that cover off the oversight that you'd like.

3455
04:03:14,682 --> 04:03:17,322
But those would be two separate motions. We deal first,

3456
04:03:17,322 --> 04:03:20,162
the third reading, and then after that decide. On whether

3457
04:03:20,162 --> 04:03:25,392
to do a separate motion. Imposing these other requirements in

3458
04:03:25,392 --> 04:03:29,155
the property. Could I just do a follow up then?

3459
04:03:29,155 --> 04:03:34,089
Thanks to the CAO for clarifications and yourself, mayor. I've

3460
04:03:34,089 --> 04:03:40,149
met. With the neighbors and with the proponent. And I

3461
04:03:40,149 --> 04:03:44,429
shared with both that I believe in the facility and

3462
04:03:44,429 --> 04:03:46,909
what's being proposed and I've always been an advocate of

3463
04:03:46,909 --> 04:03:51,735
business as being a previous business improvement association. President and

3464
04:03:51,735 --> 04:03:54,975
always a member of chambers where I've ever been. So

3465
04:03:54,975 --> 04:03:57,815
the business case and what being presented here, I think.

3466
04:03:59,327 --> 04:04:02,940
Is valuable to our community, but. I also think there

3467
04:04:02,940 --> 04:04:06,534
does need to be guardrails. And as I said to

3468
04:04:06,534 --> 04:04:08,774
the other neighbors, I'm committed to that side of things,

3469
04:04:08,774 --> 04:04:11,374
but definitely. I'll be supportive of third reading, then, if

3470
04:04:11,374 --> 04:04:13,854
that's what you're. Looking for clarity on and where the

3471
04:04:13,854 --> 04:04:18,417
will of counsel and the direction is going. But I

3472
04:04:18,417 --> 04:04:20,497
guess that's all we're asking right now. But I have

3473
04:04:20,497 --> 04:04:22,297
lots of other things I want to add to it.

3474
04:04:22,297 --> 04:04:24,977
So just to cut that short, I'm fine. With third

3475
04:04:24,977 --> 04:04:27,377
reading. All right, who wants to move third reading? Move

3476
04:04:27,377 --> 04:04:35,783
by Councilor Hogg seconded. By. Of course. I'd like to

3477
04:04:35,783 --> 04:04:38,023
move third reading, but I'd like to amend it slightly,

3478
04:04:38,023 --> 04:04:39,343
so. Are we going to move? Third reading. Then we

3479
04:04:39,343 --> 04:04:41,383
can come up with a friendly amendment. Does that. Work.

3480
04:04:43,179 --> 04:04:45,579
Let's hear the amendment right now and perhaps you get

3481
04:04:45,579 --> 04:04:47,899
some staff advice on the fly. Okay, so the original

3482
04:04:47,899 --> 04:04:49,899
one, the original thing that we voted on, of course,

3483
04:04:49,899 --> 04:04:52,739
was first and second. Readings, the widening of Lakes Road

3484
04:04:52,739 --> 04:04:55,259
and then the good neighbor agreement. So I would like

3485
04:04:55,259 --> 04:04:58,815
to suggest removing the widening of Lake's road. So I'm

3486
04:04:58,815 --> 04:05:01,495
going to have to turn to staff for some procedural

3487
04:05:01,495 --> 04:05:06,740
advice on this. That was a previous motion endorsed by

3488
04:05:06,740 --> 04:05:15,005
council. Would be bringing it back for rescinding it. You

3489
04:05:15,005 --> 04:05:19,136
could simply just rescind. I have passed the path motion

3490
04:05:19,136 --> 04:05:22,223
in front of me. What can a council member who

3491
04:05:22,223 --> 04:05:30,963
voted against something. At this point. When did this go

3492
04:05:30,963 --> 04:05:39,667
through? What meeting? December 17. Yeah. It's not the same

3493
04:05:39,667 --> 04:05:48,046
as a reconsideration. Well, since these were separate motions in

3494
04:05:48,046 --> 04:05:51,166
the last meeting, council be treated as separate motions here

3495
04:05:51,166 --> 04:05:59,858
as well. Yeah. Ms. Made, is that work? Yes. So.

3496
04:05:59,858 --> 04:06:03,818
Third reading has been seconded. Councilor staff. She looked. You

3497
04:06:03,818 --> 04:06:08,213
got a question or a. Comment. So we can't change

3498
04:06:08,213 --> 04:06:10,693
the substance of it. If we go to third reading,

3499
04:06:10,693 --> 04:06:19,034
we can't. Change the basis of it before adoption, then.

3500
04:06:19,034 --> 04:06:23,516
So, clarity on that, can we? Because it was included

3501
04:06:23,516 --> 04:06:25,876
in the thing here. Where do we speak about the

3502
04:06:25,876 --> 04:06:30,554
Covenant, Mr. Merrill? We really need to get this procedurally

3503
04:06:30,554 --> 04:06:34,123
right, because. I really want to talk about Covenant. I

3504
04:06:34,123 --> 04:06:36,898
really want to talk about. Where do we stop this

3505
04:06:36,898 --> 04:06:41,738
process? Until our business license bylaw is updated, there's several

3506
04:06:41,738 --> 04:06:43,098
steps here, so I just want to make sure I'm

3507
04:06:43,098 --> 04:06:46,903
doing them in the appropriate. So I think you can

3508
04:06:46,903 --> 04:06:48,943
speak on all of them right now if you want,

3509
04:06:48,943 --> 04:06:50,783
but we're. Going to have to deal with them in

3510
04:06:50,783 --> 04:06:53,783
three separate motions. The first one would be the third

3511
04:06:53,783 --> 04:06:58,889
reading. The second one would be. The. Reading had points

3512
04:06:58,889 --> 04:07:02,981
under it. But not today. Today, all we're voting on

3513
04:07:02,981 --> 04:07:06,926
a third. Reading that last meeting. We voted to endorse

3514
04:07:06,926 --> 04:07:11,086
the staff recommendation for the third option in terms of

3515
04:07:11,086 --> 04:07:13,766
widening lakes. Road and providing that shoulder. But from Stas

3516
04:07:13,766 --> 04:07:16,846
perspective, that was dealt with on December 17 that wasn't

3517
04:07:16,846 --> 04:07:20,006
supposed to come back for Redeyed at this meeting, but

3518
04:07:20,006 --> 04:07:21,486
we do have that option if we want to reconsider.

3519
04:07:23,239 --> 04:07:32,009
It. All right, so. It's been moved and seconded for

3520
04:07:32,009 --> 04:07:34,809
third reading. Would someone like to speak on the motion,

3521
04:07:34,809 --> 04:07:39,285
recognizing that. You can also talk about. The other restrictions

3522
04:07:39,285 --> 04:07:45,645
we're considering or. The concerns around the road widening. Council

3523
04:07:45,645 --> 04:07:50,927
justice. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It is getting late. It's

3524
04:07:50,927 --> 04:07:56,137
getting a bit confusing. But I will speak to the

3525
04:07:56,137 --> 04:08:01,138
motion. But I also want to. Say that, as you

3526
04:08:01,138 --> 04:08:09,724
know. I've got emotion that. I'm hoping to make. To

3527
04:08:09,724 --> 04:08:15,546
counsel if. This motion. If third reading passes, which speaks

3528
04:08:15,546 --> 04:08:21,537
to a covenant and to. A looking at. The business

3529
04:08:21,537 --> 04:08:23,537
license by law in order to give the good neighbors.

3530
04:08:25,211 --> 04:08:30,373
Agreement. Some teeth and substance, counselor stash, so we can

3531
04:08:30,373 --> 04:08:32,693
speak about it. Of course. Now. But I. Think it

3532
04:08:32,693 --> 04:08:38,047
is also something I understand. We could do subsequent. To

3533
04:08:38,047 --> 04:08:43,574
our decision on the third reading. Having said that. I

3534
04:08:43,574 --> 04:08:46,400
would like to say a few words about it. I

3535
04:08:46,400 --> 04:08:50,120
first start by just turning to the, to the people

3536
04:08:50,120 --> 04:08:52,080
who have spoken today and say thank you very much.

3537
04:08:53,605 --> 04:09:00,617
For almost. For all of your participation. For and against.

3538
04:09:00,617 --> 04:09:05,283
I thought it was a very respectful. Conversation almost for

3539
04:09:05,283 --> 04:09:08,923
almost 100%. Maybe a few little glitches here and there

3540
04:09:08,923 --> 04:09:15,682
out of passion. We've heard tonight that. There are at

3541
04:09:15,682 --> 04:09:21,166
least two very passionate. And compelling sides to this and

3542
04:09:21,166 --> 04:09:25,525
that the issues are very complex. But for me. And

3543
04:09:25,525 --> 04:09:29,525
I think, as I said, when council first brought this

3544
04:09:29,525 --> 04:09:32,525
to public hearing, a month and a half ago or

3545
04:09:32,525 --> 04:09:37,416
whenever it was. I don't think anybody would object to

3546
04:09:37,416 --> 04:09:42,096
this business idea at all and principle the question. For

3547
04:09:42,096 --> 04:09:46,296
me is simply where it's located. Is it in the

3548
04:09:46,296 --> 04:09:48,496
right place and how much? Impact is it going to

3549
04:09:48,496 --> 04:09:54,056
have on what is essentially a quiet and bucolic residential

3550
04:09:54,056 --> 04:10:00,224
neighborhood? And. As the staff report says. Despite the mitigation

3551
04:10:00,224 --> 04:10:04,530
work that the proponents have been doing, These events will

3552
04:10:04,530 --> 04:10:10,743
undoubtedly have impact. In many ways. As we've heard from

3553
04:10:10,743 --> 04:10:12,903
many people here tonight, and it doesn't need to be.

3554
04:10:12,903 --> 04:10:18,469
Repeated by me. And beyond the impact on neighbors, I

3555
04:10:18,469 --> 04:10:23,367
think. There's another long term, significant risk to the municipality

3556
04:10:23,367 --> 04:10:30,879
related to. Administrative costs and ongoing neighborhood conflicts. Unless we

3557
04:10:30,879 --> 04:10:38,408
get this one right. So I think. No matter. If

3558
04:10:38,408 --> 04:10:42,058
it's going. Where I suspect it might be going. I

3559
04:10:42,058 --> 04:10:44,738
think we really do need to think through how to

3560
04:10:44,738 --> 04:10:49,201
make this. As good as possible for all involved, which

3561
04:10:49,201 --> 04:10:54,298
is going to involve. Those things mentioned earlier. I guess

3562
04:10:54,298 --> 04:10:56,858
in some for me, I just feel this is not

3563
04:10:56,858 --> 04:10:59,058
the right place for a wedding. Venue and believe that

3564
04:10:59,058 --> 04:11:05,490
the price is too high. In terms of the negative

3565
04:11:05,490 --> 04:11:08,170
impact it will have on neighbors and the risk it

3566
04:11:08,170 --> 04:11:12,725
poses to the municipality, so I won't be. Supporting the

3567
04:11:12,725 --> 04:11:18,862
rezoning. At this time anyway, but. I would, if it

3568
04:11:18,862 --> 04:11:21,982
goes the way I suspect. Like to talk some more

3569
04:11:21,982 --> 04:11:27,746
about how we can adjust this thing. Thanks. Councilor hog.

3570
04:11:27,746 --> 04:11:32,053
Thank you, mayor. Thank you all for speaking. And it's

3571
04:11:32,053 --> 04:11:34,173
very late, and I'm sure no one was here too.

3572
04:11:34,173 --> 04:11:37,285
Much more now, but. I would just like to put

3573
04:11:37,285 --> 04:11:39,685
a little bit into perspective here. I just found out

3574
04:11:39,685 --> 04:11:44,170
that. Our council chambers holds a maximum of 74 people,

3575
04:11:44,170 --> 04:11:49,026
including us as council members. And when it's. Full. So

3576
04:11:49,026 --> 04:11:57,369
we are asking. Randy, you're asking for 80 people. Can

3577
04:11:57,369 --> 04:11:59,409
I ask staff a question? Do you know the square

3578
04:11:59,409 --> 04:12:08,264
footage of this council chambers? Does anyone have a tape

3579
04:12:08,264 --> 04:12:08,344
measure?

3580
04:12:20,822 --> 04:12:23,622
Okay, so my point is that there was reference made

3581
04:12:23,622 --> 04:12:27,182
in the speaking that the venue was quite small and

3582
04:12:27,182 --> 04:12:32,807
it was 2700 believe. But we sit here. With 74

3583
04:12:32,807 --> 04:12:36,268
of us. In less that size, quite comfortably. I've met

3584
04:12:36,268 --> 04:12:39,708
with the neighbors and I appreciate all the concerns. And

3585
04:12:39,708 --> 04:12:45,914
I said to them, I agree 100% with the concerns

3586
04:12:45,914 --> 04:12:50,574
and I do feel like they have met. Many concerns.

3587
04:12:51,730 --> 04:12:53,250
I, unfortunately, were not able to go to the open

3588
04:12:53,250 --> 04:12:54,650
house, and so I did go on a separate day.

3589
04:12:56,741 --> 04:13:01,526
To the barn to listen. And. I was absolutely shocked

3590
04:13:01,526 --> 04:13:05,700
on the sound that did not transfer. Right now. I'm

3591
04:13:05,700 --> 04:13:08,020
currently living in lake couch, and because my house is

3592
04:13:08,020 --> 04:13:11,137
under renovation, And our health place we have in Lake

3593
04:13:11,137 --> 04:13:16,700
couch. Couchen is not very far from sunfest. And even

3594
04:13:16,700 --> 04:13:19,380
at my property. And the sound going there, I don't

3595
04:13:19,380 --> 04:13:24,623
hear sunfest. And if you do, it's very faint. But

3596
04:13:24,623 --> 04:13:26,143
where I used to live, I used to hear the

3597
04:13:26,143 --> 04:13:29,296
train going every night and. No matter where you live,

3598
04:13:29,296 --> 04:13:34,432
your hair sounds, and I do feel like. With the

3599
04:13:34,432 --> 04:13:38,892
one neighbor speaking who? Is literally on their driveway. Saying

3600
04:13:38,892 --> 04:13:41,212
they didn't hear it. That, to me, was a seller

3601
04:13:41,212 --> 04:13:50,579
100%. It's been a back and forth here because.

3602
04:13:53,015 --> 04:13:55,255
I don't ever want to upset either side. I do

3603
04:13:55,255 --> 04:13:58,415
want to find, as Chris said, try and find something

3604
04:13:58,415 --> 04:14:02,252
that can make it. Good on both sides, but I

3605
04:14:02,252 --> 04:14:06,395
will be supporting this. Thank you. Any other comments from

3606
04:14:06,395 --> 04:14:15,376
councilor manhat? Manhattan. I too have been. Checked out the

3607
04:14:15,376 --> 04:14:22,552
facility. And I was quite surprised. How the noise is

3608
04:14:22,552 --> 04:14:28,646
contained. To the insides. You can walk around 510ft away

3609
04:14:28,646 --> 04:14:32,669
from that building. You can't hear any noise. I've been

3610
04:14:32,669 --> 04:14:36,574
there a few times. I was quite impressed with the

3611
04:14:36,574 --> 04:14:41,754
work that. Randy and Museka have done. To do that

3612
04:14:41,754 --> 04:14:46,369
mitigation and also the fencing they have done. To try

3613
04:14:46,369 --> 04:14:49,489
to mitigate some of the concerns for the neighbors. And

3614
04:14:49,489 --> 04:14:54,307
I like councilor Hogg. When it's so powerful? When the

3615
04:14:54,307 --> 04:14:57,975
person that lives right next door. Doesn't. Can't hear the

3616
04:14:57,975 --> 04:15:01,535
noise, can't hear the music. I think that's pretty compelling.

3617
04:15:01,535 --> 04:15:07,987
Thanks. So I will be supporting the third reading. Councilor

3618
04:15:07,987 --> 04:15:17,304
Kellyo. Thank you, mayor. I support the venue. I think

3619
04:15:17,304 --> 04:15:19,664
they've done everything it possibly can to mitigate the disruption.

3620
04:15:21,215 --> 04:15:24,332
And the noise. Light has been mentioned many times. The

3621
04:15:24,332 --> 04:15:28,573
building has been soundproofed. And I agree. You probably can't

3622
04:15:28,573 --> 04:15:32,614
hear anything outside that building at all. I think we

3623
04:15:32,614 --> 04:15:36,894
should be supportive of business in our town and promote

3624
04:15:36,894 --> 04:15:42,200
venues like this. And it's been mentioned many times. That

3625
04:15:42,200 --> 04:15:45,738
the people support a tup. And not a zoning change.

3626
04:15:47,455 --> 04:15:50,558
But the staff. Report spoke to that in the last

3627
04:15:50,558 --> 04:15:55,782
report, and Miss Young has confirmed that. The neighbors are

3628
04:15:55,782 --> 04:15:59,862
worried about a Gna good neighbor's agreement. And it has

3629
04:15:59,862 --> 04:16:05,286
no teeth. But we got some good information today. From,

3630
04:16:05,286 --> 04:16:12,213
I believe, our counsel. And. In this email that I

3631
04:16:12,213 --> 04:16:17,405
received. It says that in council's view, a good neighbor's

3632
04:16:17,405 --> 04:16:20,805
agreement provides a business license. Holder with notice as to

3633
04:16:20,805 --> 04:16:23,405
the types of activities that would be viewed by the

3634
04:16:23,405 --> 04:16:27,605
municipality as being inconsistent with good business practices that may

3635
04:16:27,605 --> 04:16:31,365
result in the suspension or revocation of a business license.

3636
04:16:32,944 --> 04:16:35,144
And I quote again, there's a long standing case law

3637
04:16:35,144 --> 04:16:38,824
supporting the proposition that a municipality can revoke a business

3638
04:16:38,824 --> 04:16:42,144
license where the mandarin, which the business is being operated,

3639
04:16:42,144 --> 04:16:45,584
has nuisance. Impacts on the neighborhood, even where the business

3640
04:16:45,584 --> 04:16:50,664
is expressly authorized by the municipality zoning bylaw. In essence,

3641
04:16:50,664 --> 04:16:54,972
municipality is well within. Its power to require a gna

3642
04:16:54,972 --> 04:17:04,026
as a condition of rezoning. Can't. Thought there's something else.

3643
04:17:04,026 --> 04:17:10,211
Sorry. Councilor Finley. Thanks, Mr. Samaria. I'm also in favor

3644
04:17:10,211 --> 04:17:14,830
of third reading here. For a whole bunch of different

3645
04:17:14,830 --> 04:17:20,630
reasons, but. I think it's been shared around. I think

3646
04:17:20,630 --> 04:17:23,430
as councilor Hogg and councilor Manasser spoke to the owner

3647
04:17:23,430 --> 04:17:27,398
of the straddle out. Number one speaking about it. That

3648
04:17:27,398 --> 04:17:29,998
was a seller, I think, for me, and I understand

3649
04:17:29,998 --> 04:17:35,069
everybody's concerns. That are in the neighborhood. But when so

3650
04:17:35,069 --> 04:17:37,589
many of the adjoining neighbors that are the most affected.

3651
04:17:37,589 --> 04:17:42,507
Are in support of this application. I think. That's telling.

3652
04:17:42,507 --> 04:17:45,027
So I'll be in support of third reading and like

3653
04:17:45,027 --> 04:17:47,347
to speak. To the other items, perhaps when we come

3654
04:17:47,347 --> 04:17:53,588
forward with other motions. All right. Thanks, Councilor Finley. Yeah,

3655
04:17:53,588 --> 04:17:56,628
I'd like to. Similar to what my colleagues said earlier,

3656
04:17:56,628 --> 04:17:58,828
I would like to thank all the people who came

3657
04:17:58,828 --> 04:18:03,320
out this evening. It's past 11:00 and you've been here

3658
04:18:03,320 --> 04:18:06,040
throughout the whole public hearing. Taking the time to share

3659
04:18:06,040 --> 04:18:09,360
your perspectives on this application and around this council table,

3660
04:18:09,360 --> 04:18:12,720
we've got used to public speaking over the years, but

3661
04:18:12,720 --> 04:18:14,680
I know for many folks who don't, do this on

3662
04:18:14,680 --> 04:18:19,016
a regular basis. It's challenging to get up to that

3663
04:18:19,016 --> 04:18:22,994
podium and share your perspective. Not just with the folks

3664
04:18:22,994 --> 04:18:24,994
in the room, but these are recorded and there is

3665
04:18:24,994 --> 04:18:29,092
a bigger audience. There watching these meetings. I'm certainly sympathetic

3666
04:18:29,092 --> 04:18:33,426
to all sides here. I do recognize. The applicants have

3667
04:18:33,426 --> 04:18:35,866
put a lot of time and effort and resources and

3668
04:18:35,866 --> 04:18:41,248
considerable investment. In terms of addressing some of the challenges

3669
04:18:41,248 --> 04:18:45,211
with this property that were raised. In the previous staff

3670
04:18:45,211 --> 04:18:48,931
report presented to council in 2020, and I do believe

3671
04:18:48,931 --> 04:18:51,971
there has been a genuine effort to respond to the

3672
04:18:51,971 --> 04:18:56,371
concerns raised by neighbors in the surrounding area, whether that's

3673
04:18:56,371 --> 04:19:00,851
through the open house that those held recently, which I

3674
04:19:00,851 --> 04:19:05,798
did attend. Or proposing the event contract as a way

3675
04:19:05,798 --> 04:19:10,212
to set some parameters around. These weddings that would be

3676
04:19:10,212 --> 04:19:12,772
held on the property. At the same time, though, I

3677
04:19:12,772 --> 04:19:16,092
am very sympathetic that concerns raised by the people in

3678
04:19:16,092 --> 04:19:19,132
the surrounding area. I think with any land use decision

3679
04:19:19,132 --> 04:19:22,252
like this. It's important that we consider all perspectives. Whether

3680
04:19:22,252 --> 04:19:27,572
it's, again, the applicant nearby. Residence. Even folks who live

3681
04:19:27,572 --> 04:19:32,553
outside the municipal. Municipality and other businesses. However, the residents

3682
04:19:32,553 --> 04:19:36,673
who live in close the closest proximity to the subject

3683
04:19:36,673 --> 04:19:41,367
property, I would say. Their concerns deserve careful consideration from

3684
04:19:41,367 --> 04:19:44,968
count someone were making decisions like this. And the neighbors,

3685
04:19:44,968 --> 04:19:49,199
in my view, have raised. Legitimate concerns with regards to

3686
04:19:49,199 --> 04:19:53,195
the application. Wanubuitch is the fact that this would be

3687
04:19:53,195 --> 04:19:57,835
a commercial venue in the middle of a quiet, residential,

3688
04:19:57,835 --> 04:20:01,753
rural residential neighborhood. And these are people who. We heard

3689
04:20:01,753 --> 04:20:03,993
from them earlier this, this evening. They've lived in the

3690
04:20:03,993 --> 04:20:08,290
area for decades, and they. They purchased these properties. With

3691
04:20:08,290 --> 04:20:10,290
the thinking that they would be able to, you know,

3692
04:20:10,290 --> 04:20:11,970
sit in their backyard, sit on their porch on those.

3693
04:20:11,970 --> 04:20:15,170
Those beautiful summer evenings, and we don't have. Have enough

3694
04:20:15,170 --> 04:20:16,530
of them here. Living in this part of the world

3695
04:20:16,530 --> 04:20:19,422
as great as it is. And it's certainly going to

3696
04:20:19,422 --> 04:20:23,382
be disruptive if there is a wedding venue of the

3697
04:20:23,382 --> 04:20:26,502
scale on the nearby property. And I think we can

3698
04:20:26,502 --> 04:20:29,782
all agree that there are noise impacts associated with that,

3699
04:20:29,782 --> 04:20:34,262
despite the efforts of the applicant to take steps to

3700
04:20:34,262 --> 04:20:38,678
address some of those concerns. The other point as well

3701
04:20:38,678 --> 04:20:41,998
is that there's been a number of comparisons made to

3702
04:20:41,998 --> 04:20:45,238
allowable uses in the agricultural land reserve and how these

3703
04:20:45,238 --> 04:20:52,817
should be extended to this property. In my view. These

3704
04:20:52,817 --> 04:20:59,588
comparisons. Don't really fit that well. This is a six

3705
04:20:59,588 --> 04:21:02,788
acre property in the middle of what's recognized as a

3706
04:21:02,788 --> 04:21:07,708
rural residential neighborhood. It's recognized by the surrounding residents that

3707
04:21:07,708 --> 04:21:10,388
way and is certainly designated that way in our official

3708
04:21:10,388 --> 04:21:15,689
community plan as well. The ALR. Typically, these are larger

3709
04:21:15,689 --> 04:21:18,449
properties. Many of the LR properties that do host these

3710
04:21:18,449 --> 04:21:24,663
wedding venues. Are significantly larger, sometimes upwards of 20 acres

3711
04:21:24,663 --> 04:21:28,503
or even 300 plus with the birdside Co farm and

3712
04:21:28,503 --> 04:21:33,033
wedding events on those properties. Are typically buffered by the

3713
04:21:33,033 --> 04:21:36,753
distance. And I think many would argue that when the

3714
04:21:36,753 --> 04:21:44,365
agricultural land commission did provide. Permission to. These ALr property

3715
04:21:44,365 --> 04:21:46,805
owners to have a certain amount of these wedding events

3716
04:21:46,805 --> 04:21:49,045
on their properties every year without having to apply for

3717
04:21:49,045 --> 04:21:55,184
a non farm use application. They were considering the larger

3718
04:21:55,184 --> 04:21:58,384
acreages again, where there's much more of a buffer between.

3719
04:22:00,676 --> 04:22:02,796
The properties and less of an impact in terms of.

3720
04:22:04,345 --> 04:22:08,507
The noise created. Which in a neighborhood like this, where

3721
04:22:08,507 --> 04:22:11,067
the lots tend to be a lot smaller, despite the

3722
04:22:11,067 --> 04:22:14,427
fact that it is rural. It's a much different dynamic.

3723
04:22:15,872 --> 04:22:19,392
Despite these concerns from the surrounding neighbors, we have heard

3724
04:22:19,392 --> 04:22:23,072
many suggest that a compromise would be a temporary use

3725
04:22:23,072 --> 04:22:26,072
permit, and in my view, this would be a prudent

3726
04:22:26,072 --> 04:22:29,960
way to approach. This proposal, it would allow us to

3727
04:22:29,960 --> 04:22:34,720
have a three year trial period and determine that if

3728
04:22:34,720 --> 04:22:37,200
the property could be managed and operate in such a

3729
04:22:37,200 --> 04:22:40,880
way as to minimize the impact on the surrounding area.

3730
04:22:42,748 --> 04:22:44,468
And if you look at some of the recent temporary

3731
04:22:44,468 --> 04:22:47,148
use permits, not specifically a north couch, but the city

3732
04:22:47,148 --> 04:22:50,348
of Duncan, for example, they did grant a temporary use

3733
04:22:50,348 --> 04:22:53,428
permit for the village site on trunk road. Many of

3734
04:22:53,428 --> 04:22:57,028
the neighbors in the surrounding area were understandably opposed to

3735
04:22:57,028 --> 04:23:00,828
it. Very concerned. About having that facility in close proximity

3736
04:23:00,828 --> 04:23:03,438
to their homes, but because of how. Well, it was

3737
04:23:03,438 --> 04:23:06,598
operated. Many of those same neighbors came out afterwards to

3738
04:23:06,598 --> 04:23:10,718
speak in favor of that. Site again because it had

3739
04:23:10,718 --> 04:23:13,638
been managed so well over the previous three years, and

3740
04:23:13,638 --> 04:23:16,118
my hope would be that. If we could look at

3741
04:23:16,118 --> 04:23:19,858
another temporary use permit for the site. That the applicants

3742
04:23:19,858 --> 04:23:21,938
and neighbors could find a way to work together, address

3743
04:23:21,938 --> 04:23:24,985
some of these concerns. And if that were to take

3744
04:23:24,985 --> 04:23:27,705
place, I'm sure we'd have a much different public hearing

3745
04:23:27,705 --> 04:23:30,465
if the applicants were to come forward and ask for

3746
04:23:30,465 --> 04:23:34,065
a permanent change in terms of the permitted uses on

3747
04:23:34,065 --> 04:23:37,505
the property, so I will be voting against third reading,

3748
04:23:37,505 --> 04:23:43,396
but would welcome. The application from the applicant for a

3749
04:23:43,396 --> 04:23:46,036
temporary use permit. So again, we can have a trial

3750
04:23:46,036 --> 04:23:49,993
use. For. This wedding venue in such a way that

3751
04:23:49,993 --> 04:23:52,673
we can ensure the concerns of the astronomy neighborhood are

3752
04:23:52,673 --> 04:23:58,213
addressed. For family and then councilor stash. Thanks. Mr. Mayor,

3753
04:23:58,213 --> 04:24:00,733
I just want to respond to something. That several people

3754
04:24:00,733 --> 04:24:03,653
have said regarding the potential distillery that could be on

3755
04:24:03,653 --> 04:24:06,373
this property, the BC liquor loss changed several years ago

3756
04:24:06,373 --> 04:24:10,453
that allowed distilleries to get lounge licenses with the lounge

3757
04:24:10,453 --> 04:24:13,733
license, you essentially become a liquor primary, which means that

3758
04:24:13,733 --> 04:24:16,957
if there's a. Distillery on this property every single night.

3759
04:24:16,957 --> 04:24:20,877
There could be people outside or inside drinking and carrying

3760
04:24:20,877 --> 04:24:23,637
on. There can be bans every Friday and Saturday night.

3761
04:24:25,491 --> 04:24:27,091
Not just ten events a year. I'm talking every night.

3762
04:24:28,643 --> 04:24:29,883
So I'm just looking it up right now. In the

3763
04:24:29,883 --> 04:24:31,643
hours of liquor service, could be. 09:00 a.m. to 04:00

3764
04:24:31,643 --> 04:24:35,704
a.m. depending on the location. So, 04:00 a.m. is usually

3765
04:24:35,704 --> 04:24:38,424
New Year's Eve, but generally it could be very similar

3766
04:24:38,424 --> 04:24:39,904
to my pub in Maple Bay. It could be open

3767
04:24:39,904 --> 04:24:43,064
to 01:00. Every single night. Sorry. Every Friday and Saturday

3768
04:24:43,064 --> 04:24:46,184
night. Not every single night. So I think that's. A

3769
04:24:46,184 --> 04:24:48,744
critical piece that I think some people might be missing

3770
04:24:48,744 --> 04:24:52,304
here is if this didn't. Go. And the distillery opened

3771
04:24:52,304 --> 04:24:56,051
and lounge access came in, it could disrupt. The neighborhood

3772
04:24:56,051 --> 04:24:59,331
far more than ten weddings in a year, so I

3773
04:24:59,331 --> 04:25:05,759
just wanted to throw that out. There. Councilor stash. Thanks

3774
04:25:05,759 --> 04:25:08,639
for letting me speak again, mayor. I'm still just really

3775
04:25:08,639 --> 04:25:11,919
hung up in the process. Because my vote here is

3776
04:25:11,919 --> 04:25:15,439
contingent on everything else that comes after it. So supporting

3777
04:25:15,439 --> 04:25:21,306
third reading. The way this flows through. There's no reassurances

3778
04:25:21,306 --> 04:25:23,266
that council will follow through on the other things that.

3779
04:25:23,266 --> 04:25:26,946
We've lightly touched on. So I don't know how we

3780
04:25:26,946 --> 04:25:29,146
get around that, because I brought it back up here

3781
04:25:29,146 --> 04:25:33,386
and again. And we're specifically doing third reading only on

3782
04:25:33,386 --> 04:25:38,070
commercial assembly use of ten times per year. That is

3783
04:25:38,070 --> 04:25:41,415
the exact wording. And it speaks to nothing else. I

3784
04:25:41,415 --> 04:25:43,495
think the assurance you get is that we do third

3785
04:25:43,495 --> 04:25:45,495
reading, then we decide if we want. To put these

3786
04:25:45,495 --> 04:25:48,575
further restrictions on it if council decides they don't want

3787
04:25:48,575 --> 04:25:50,615
to put any further restrictions on it, and you're unhappy

3788
04:25:50,615 --> 04:25:53,855
with that decision, then you can always vote against adoption.

3789
04:25:55,017 --> 04:25:56,457
If the bile were to come back. So thank you

3790
04:25:56,457 --> 04:25:58,817
for that. So then, speaking just to the third reading,

3791
04:25:58,817 --> 04:26:02,537
then being I have those assurances. The reason why I'm

3792
04:26:02,537 --> 04:26:06,257
also supportive of a third reading isn't actually, the math

3793
04:26:06,257 --> 04:26:08,777
release jumped out at me when we heard a speaker

3794
04:26:08,777 --> 04:26:12,030
here. When you look at the math of how many

3795
04:26:12,030 --> 04:26:14,710
events that, that's 3% of a year. Actually, it's not

3796
04:26:14,710 --> 04:26:19,270
even 3%. It's 2.7% of a year and out of

3797
04:26:19,270 --> 04:26:23,652
that. Yeah. The most disruptive portion of it would be

3798
04:26:23,652 --> 04:26:25,852
the music side of it, which is seven till. Eleven

3799
04:26:25,852 --> 04:26:29,692
at night because it states that everything has to be

3800
04:26:29,692 --> 04:26:32,692
shut down at eleven. Most bands start at seven. So

3801
04:26:32,692 --> 04:26:34,772
that music starts at seven because you have to have

3802
04:26:34,772 --> 04:26:37,812
your reception, that's 40 hours a year. I don't want

3803
04:26:37,812 --> 04:26:40,372
to do the math on what percentage that is. But

3804
04:26:40,372 --> 04:26:42,755
the impact of it was two. .7% of a year.

3805
04:26:44,450 --> 04:26:47,881
There. And then as well, to just the use of

3806
04:26:47,881 --> 04:26:52,884
it. I quickly just wanted a rebuttal. We're not debating

3807
04:26:52,884 --> 04:26:56,324
the commercial use of it. Commercial use is allowed. We're

3808
04:26:56,324 --> 04:27:01,998
debating. The assembly use of it. And then. My continual

3809
04:27:01,998 --> 04:27:05,681
track record is we go into our fourth year. Is

3810
04:27:05,681 --> 04:27:08,161
always to stand behind staff and what they do. And

3811
04:27:08,161 --> 04:27:12,496
I heard comments attacking staff. From the gallery through the

3812
04:27:12,496 --> 04:27:15,912
public hearing process. Saying the proponents were put in this

3813
04:27:15,912 --> 04:27:17,832
place, and the proponents have actually done a really good

3814
04:27:17,832 --> 04:27:21,232
job. They went through temporary use permit phase. They could

3815
04:27:21,232 --> 04:27:23,552
have applied for a tup again, but they chose to

3816
04:27:23,552 --> 04:27:26,072
do a zoning amendment phase because that's just the way

3817
04:27:26,072 --> 04:27:29,272
the zoning bylaws. Dictate all of staff have done their

3818
04:27:29,272 --> 04:27:32,912
job adequately, and the proponent has done an exemplary job

3819
04:27:32,912 --> 04:27:35,967
of going through the process. So to say that anybody's

3820
04:27:35,967 --> 04:27:38,367
been put into a predicament or north couch has. Done

3821
04:27:38,367 --> 04:27:41,807
something wrong. North couch and staff have just stuck by

3822
04:27:41,807 --> 04:27:46,031
the bylaws that existed for a very long time. So

3823
04:27:46,031 --> 04:27:50,126
no one's put anybody in a predicament at all. There's

3824
04:27:50,126 --> 04:27:51,566
just a lot of emotions that go through a public

3825
04:27:51,566 --> 04:27:54,646
hearing process and through the past history of what's gone.

3826
04:27:54,646 --> 04:27:56,126
So I just want to say everybody's done a good

3827
04:27:56,126 --> 04:27:59,566
job. Proponents, opponents, everybody on both sides. I just wanted

3828
04:27:59,566 --> 04:28:01,806
to put that out there just to lay a bit

3829
04:28:01,806 --> 04:28:05,046
of a positive groundwork and to support staff with doing.

3830
04:28:05,046 --> 04:28:07,646
And I do want to thank the proponent of we

3831
04:28:07,646 --> 04:28:11,982
often we don't hear feedback. Giving the feedback on how

3832
04:28:11,982 --> 04:28:16,431
well staff are supportive of them, but also. Those speaking

3833
04:28:16,431 --> 04:28:19,791
against said how well that staff help them work through

3834
04:28:19,791 --> 04:28:21,631
the process and the time they were given on that.

3835
04:28:22,996 --> 04:28:25,196
Again, mayor, thanks for the clarification on that that I

3836
04:28:25,196 --> 04:28:27,156
can vote with this, but still. Have the ability to

3837
04:28:27,156 --> 04:28:30,396
vote against it if those other measures aren't in place,

3838
04:28:30,396 --> 04:28:36,041
councilor. Kelly. Thanks, Baron. Yeah, it's getting a bit late

3839
04:28:36,041 --> 04:28:39,841
here. I'm not feeling well and. I am getting tired.

3840
04:28:45,142 --> 04:28:49,702
Councilor Istash brought up some very good points, and I

3841
04:28:49,702 --> 04:28:57,019
agree with everything that he said. There. I just wanted

3842
04:28:57,019 --> 04:29:02,451
to mention also that. I live on davis crescent. Which

3843
04:29:02,451 --> 04:29:07,051
is my house, is literally 150 meters from the Duncan

3844
04:29:07,051 --> 04:29:13,998
Community Lodge, formerly known as the moose. And. They hold

3845
04:29:13,998 --> 04:29:17,609
an event almost every weekend. As a matter of fact,

3846
04:29:17,609 --> 04:29:22,210
in October. They had a Halloween bash there with a

3847
04:29:22,210 --> 04:29:27,330
band and probably 150 people or more inside that building.

3848
04:29:27,330 --> 04:29:30,938
And living across the road. I heard nothing.

3849
04:29:38,154 --> 04:29:40,234
Okay, so the thing is this is that I lived

3850
04:29:40,234 --> 04:29:44,114
after this venue, and also there's another venue at the

3851
04:29:44,114 --> 04:29:48,074
same place, and that is rowing Canada. And when they're

3852
04:29:48,074 --> 04:29:51,914
in operation, and their training. There could be 45 cars

3853
04:29:51,914 --> 04:29:55,674
come there every morning and leave every afternoon, and I

3854
04:29:55,674 --> 04:29:59,096
hardly even notice they're there because. They're in and out

3855
04:29:59,096 --> 04:30:02,096
and gone and talking about a left hand turn lane

3856
04:30:02,096 --> 04:30:05,776
or a bypass. If anywhere ever needed it would be

3857
04:30:05,776 --> 04:30:10,601
into the moose road. Because. Literally, it lines up there

3858
04:30:10,601 --> 04:30:13,524
every day. And people are going in and out of

3859
04:30:13,524 --> 04:30:16,466
our road all the time. And so my point is

3860
04:30:16,466 --> 04:30:21,444
this, is that living next door to this facility, I

3861
04:30:21,444 --> 04:30:29,584
hardly even noticed that. They're there. Thanks, Councilor Kelly. I

3862
04:30:29,584 --> 04:30:33,623
think you raised good points. But one thing we should

3863
04:30:33,623 --> 04:30:37,436
be considering here, though, is we've heard this from. Some

3864
04:30:37,436 --> 04:30:40,786
of the surrounding neighbors. Is in some cases, not so

3865
04:30:40,786 --> 04:30:43,266
much the activity, but the timing of it. There is

3866
04:30:43,266 --> 04:30:46,346
an expectation that when you have purchased a property in

3867
04:30:46,346 --> 04:30:48,306
a quiet, rural neighborhood that you are going to be

3868
04:30:48,306 --> 04:30:52,466
able to peacefully enjoy. Those summer evenings again, out on

3869
04:30:52,466 --> 04:30:55,346
your porch or your yard with your friends and family

3870
04:30:55,346 --> 04:30:59,186
and that. Does become more challenging if there are these

3871
04:30:59,186 --> 04:31:01,626
activities in close proximity. It's one thing to have them

3872
04:31:01,626 --> 04:31:06,095
in the middle of the day, whether. It's commercial activities

3873
04:31:06,095 --> 04:31:09,695
or people using their leaf blowers or lawn mowers or

3874
04:31:09,695 --> 04:31:12,255
what have you, but I would say it's a bit

3875
04:31:12,255 --> 04:31:15,535
of a different dynamic if you're. Dealing that with that

3876
04:31:15,535 --> 04:31:19,415
on the Fridays and Saturday nights when, again, many folks

3877
04:31:19,415 --> 04:31:22,455
who live in these rural neighborhoods do expect that peace

3878
04:31:22,455 --> 04:31:25,950
and quiet. We've all stated our positions on this already.

3879
04:31:25,950 --> 04:31:28,590
Can I call the question now on third? Reading. All

3880
04:31:28,590 --> 04:31:31,870
in favor and opposed. Motion carries to the mayor and

3881
04:31:31,870 --> 04:31:35,949
council. Justice opposed. We're going to put something forward here,

3882
04:31:35,949 --> 04:31:38,189
either a gna or some sort of covenant. But we've

3883
04:31:38,189 --> 04:31:45,243
already approved a gna. The direct staff to enter in

3884
04:31:45,243 --> 04:31:47,883
a good neighbor's agreement with the applicant prior to business.

3885
04:31:47,883 --> 04:31:51,901
Licensing. If we alter that? Or are we adding the

3886
04:31:51,901 --> 04:31:56,068
conditions on it now? That's the question. Y'all was broken.

3887
04:31:56,068 --> 04:32:01,717
Turn a staff on that, it would be. Either. Supplement

3888
04:32:01,717 --> 04:32:03,997
what we've already passed, or would it just supersede it?

3889
04:32:05,789 --> 04:32:08,949
Mayor. So if you want to look at the motions

3890
04:32:08,949 --> 04:32:12,149
that you passed back in December to decide whether you

3891
04:32:12,149 --> 04:32:14,749
want to keep them or if you want to fix

3892
04:32:14,749 --> 04:32:19,229
them, you can amend a motion. That was previously adopted.

3893
04:32:19,229 --> 04:32:21,429
So if you want to change it or amend it,

3894
04:32:23,326 --> 04:32:25,446
You can pass the motion to amend it a certain

3895
04:32:25,446 --> 04:32:29,766
way. If council agrees, then you vote on. The motion

3896
04:32:29,766 --> 04:32:32,966
as amended. And it changes if council. If council doesn't

3897
04:32:32,966 --> 04:32:37,646
agree with the amendment. Then the original motion still stands.

3898
04:32:37,646 --> 04:32:40,706
Does that make sense? That's one way to handle it.

3899
04:32:43,186 --> 04:32:49,477
Councilor justice. Yes, Mr. Mayor. I circulated a motion. To

3900
04:32:49,477 --> 04:32:53,806
counsel this afternoon. I think Ms. May. Has a copy

3901
04:32:53,806 --> 04:32:56,526
of it that she can project up onto the screen.

3902
04:32:57,992 --> 04:33:02,604
And I'd like the opportunity to move that. At this

3903
04:33:02,604 --> 04:33:06,576
time. So let's get it up on the screen, and

3904
04:33:06,576 --> 04:33:08,296
then I'll let you move. It and see if there's

3905
04:33:08,296 --> 04:33:08,776
a second there.

3906
04:33:23,183 --> 04:33:26,080
How about you read it out first? We'll see if

3907
04:33:26,080 --> 04:33:30,331
there's a second there. So the motion goes. It's a

3908
04:33:30,331 --> 04:33:34,363
little bit long. That council directs staff, as a condition

3909
04:33:34,363 --> 04:33:37,123
of rezoning, to enter into a good neighbor agreement. With

3910
04:33:37,123 --> 04:33:42,249
the applicant. And that council direct staff, prior to consideration

3911
04:33:42,249 --> 04:33:45,529
of adoption of the rezoning, to undertake amendments. To the

3912
04:33:45,529 --> 04:33:51,324
municipality of North Couch and business license bylaw number. 2002

3913
04:33:51,324 --> 04:33:55,164
to authorize the business license inspector to impose additional conditions

3914
04:33:55,164 --> 04:33:59,124
on business licenses, including but not limited to hours of

3915
04:33:59,124 --> 04:34:02,324
operation, use of amplified music, onsite parking, and the requirement

3916
04:34:02,324 --> 04:34:07,241
of a good neighbor agreement and compliance therewith. And that

3917
04:34:07,241 --> 04:34:11,281
council requires a condition. As a condition of rezoning a

3918
04:34:11,281 --> 04:34:15,281
section 219 land title. Covenant to be registered on title

3919
04:34:15,281 --> 04:34:18,761
of the subject property and common property that restricts commercial

3920
04:34:18,761 --> 04:34:22,434
assembly. Use on the subject property. In the following ways.

3921
04:34:24,563 --> 04:34:27,243
A no more than ten events per year, with maximum

3922
04:34:27,243 --> 04:34:30,883
of 80 attendees at each event b that an event

3923
04:34:30,883 --> 04:34:34,664
be limited to a 24 hours period. C that events

3924
04:34:34,664 --> 04:34:37,784
be limited to a maximum of two per calendar month,

3925
04:34:37,784 --> 04:34:41,729
leaving neighbors with about half of summer weekends free. D.

3926
04:34:41,729 --> 04:34:44,969
The schedule of events is available in advance to neighbors.

3927
04:34:44,969 --> 04:34:47,889
E. That all amplified music will be contained behind closed

3928
04:34:47,889 --> 04:34:52,068
doors of the assembly use building on the premises. F

3929
04:34:52,068 --> 04:34:54,668
that the event, including all music, shall end at 11:00

3930
04:34:54,668 --> 04:34:59,548
p.m. with all attendees having vacated the premises by 11:30

3931
04:34:59,548 --> 04:35:03,163
p.m. G that the operators shall hold a valid business

3932
04:35:03,163 --> 04:35:06,883
license for the commercial assembly use and h that a

3933
04:35:06,883 --> 04:35:11,054
good neighbor agreement be in place. And if there's a

3934
04:35:11,054 --> 04:35:15,499
second, I'll speak just very briefly to it. Is there.

3935
04:35:15,499 --> 04:35:20,559
Second, my councilor stash. Yeah. So thank you. I'm introducing

3936
04:35:20,559 --> 04:35:25,032
this motion, but full credit. To staff for their guidance

3937
04:35:25,032 --> 04:35:31,816
with respect to helping counsel. Find a way that. We

3938
04:35:31,816 --> 04:35:35,296
can at least sort of pose some what could be

3939
04:35:35,296 --> 04:35:39,424
considered a reasonable compromise here. I think this is a

3940
04:35:39,424 --> 04:35:42,504
way that maybe everyone can be okay, or at least

3941
04:35:42,504 --> 04:35:46,147
a little bit. More okay with this decision. By putting

3942
04:35:46,147 --> 04:35:50,518
some conditions on the wedding venue. That, most of which,

3943
04:35:50,518 --> 04:35:54,601
in fact, probably all of which are ones that. They

3944
04:35:54,601 --> 04:35:59,941
themselves have volunteered. That protect neighbors and the municipality, and

3945
04:35:59,941 --> 04:36:05,821
that makes sure that the conditions are enforceable, permanent and

3946
04:36:05,821 --> 04:36:12,411
transferable, so. The motion, if passed, would lead to three

3947
04:36:12,411 --> 04:36:15,171
things. One is a good neighbor's agreement, which is, in

3948
04:36:15,171 --> 04:36:20,102
fact, Already in process, as I understand it. An adjustment

3949
04:36:20,102 --> 04:36:24,822
to the business license bylaw, which would ensure the good

3950
04:36:24,822 --> 04:36:29,942
neighbors agreement actually had teeth. And was enforceable and a

3951
04:36:29,942 --> 04:36:34,102
covenant to make sure that this arrangement would continue even

3952
04:36:34,102 --> 04:36:39,425
if the property was sold and the ownership changed. So

3953
04:36:39,425 --> 04:36:47,021
that's the idea of it. And. I hope council can

3954
04:36:47,021 --> 04:36:50,661
support it. Councilor stash and councilor hog. Thank you, mayor.

3955
04:36:50,661 --> 04:36:57,770
Councilor. Family. Thanks. For council justice basically put this in

3956
04:36:57,770 --> 04:37:01,856
place and to work there based on. Staff working through

3957
04:37:01,856 --> 04:37:05,456
all the feedback from the proponent and all the people.

3958
04:37:06,774 --> 04:37:09,854
Kind of provide the neighbors, providing their concerns, and I

3959
04:37:09,854 --> 04:37:11,614
was glad to see this come about as a way

3960
04:37:11,614 --> 04:37:14,134
that we could find a way to give real teeth

3961
04:37:14,134 --> 04:37:17,054
to it. But also, as I mentioned earlier all the

3962
04:37:17,054 --> 04:37:20,734
concerns we've heard on other public hearings and changes to

3963
04:37:20,734 --> 04:37:24,792
land use. The perfect example. Together we can in the

3964
04:37:24,792 --> 04:37:27,912
Norcost road rezoning where people were concerned about a good

3965
04:37:27,912 --> 04:37:32,312
neighbor agreement not having any real merit. It's just only

3966
04:37:32,312 --> 04:37:37,921
as good. As the paper is written on. So a

3967
04:37:37,921 --> 04:37:42,930
real good, wholesome look at our business licensing bylaw. And

3968
04:37:42,930 --> 04:37:46,727
the powers that the municipality has. To really control a

3969
04:37:46,727 --> 04:37:51,397
business operation I think is warranted. Out of all these

3970
04:37:51,397 --> 04:37:53,677
processes. I find every time there's something else in the

3971
04:37:53,677 --> 04:37:56,037
municipality that we find that we can improve, and I

3972
04:37:56,037 --> 04:38:00,313
think this gives us an opportunity. From one experience to

3973
04:38:00,313 --> 04:38:03,833
improve a future experience for others so that we can

3974
04:38:03,833 --> 04:38:08,101
know that through the public hearing process. People don't have

3975
04:38:08,101 --> 04:38:13,935
to make concerns. On that. There's no avenue for them

3976
04:38:13,935 --> 04:38:20,329
to have issues vetted out and dealt with. Appropriately. Looking

3977
04:38:20,329 --> 04:38:22,929
at the list a through h here. It's pretty much

3978
04:38:22,929 --> 04:38:28,018
all pulled directly from. What was already laid out. In

3979
04:38:28,018 --> 04:38:30,418
the proponent's own documents. The only thing I was looking

3980
04:38:30,418 --> 04:38:37,127
at is. Working through on sea. That's what I'd mentioned

3981
04:38:37,127 --> 04:38:40,167
earlier and asked. I don't know if it's only two

3982
04:38:40,167 --> 04:38:42,487
per month, or if it's something that's every other, because

3983
04:38:42,487 --> 04:38:46,135
some months have five weeks. In weekends in them. So

3984
04:38:46,135 --> 04:38:49,295
it's just. That's kind of just a semantics or. How

3985
04:38:49,295 --> 04:38:52,215
it's worked out. I think there's maybe something to be

3986
04:38:52,215 --> 04:38:55,495
smoothed in point. C in there, but this part of

3987
04:38:55,495 --> 04:39:00,867
the bylaw in there. As this being one extra line

3988
04:39:00,867 --> 04:39:03,867
added when we go to adoption, I'm definitely supportive of

3989
04:39:03,867 --> 04:39:12,135
this. Councilor hog. Thank you, mayor. Well, you beat me

3990
04:39:12,135 --> 04:39:16,930
to that one. But my other question is. B the

3991
04:39:16,930 --> 04:39:20,050
event limited to 24 hours period. The event being the

3992
04:39:20,050 --> 04:39:24,855
wedding in itself, because. It's scheduled at the bridal party

3993
04:39:24,855 --> 04:39:28,108
will come, but they don't hold a special permit. For.

3994
04:39:29,445 --> 04:39:35,610
The. Rehearsal and set up. So is that 24 hours

3995
04:39:35,610 --> 04:39:41,165
period, is that just. For the actual wedding day. Let's

3996
04:39:41,165 --> 04:39:44,341
call it the Saturday. Thank you for the question. Just

3997
04:39:44,341 --> 04:39:47,381
for clarity, that would be for the wedding event itself.

3998
04:39:47,381 --> 04:39:54,117
The actual ceremony. Okay. Thank you. And receptions are. And

3999
04:39:54,117 --> 04:39:59,918
reception, but. It wouldn't pertain them for doing the. Very

4000
04:39:59,918 --> 04:40:02,198
good point by Mr. Swaby. It's probably more important for

4001
04:40:02,198 --> 04:40:05,118
a councilor justice. To clarify what his intent was behind

4002
04:40:05,118 --> 04:40:12,459
that motion. Thank you. Councilor justice. Do you want to

4003
04:40:12,459 --> 04:40:16,963
weigh in on that? Thank you. My intent was to

4004
04:40:16,963 --> 04:40:25,808
basically mirror. The language of. The agricultural land Committee rules

4005
04:40:25,808 --> 04:40:34,357
for events and weddings. Councilor Finley. So that begs the

4006
04:40:34,357 --> 04:40:38,237
question. So based on that, the agricultural committee's suggestion is

4007
04:40:38,237 --> 04:40:42,139
the 24 hours or. Is it the one day or

4008
04:40:42,139 --> 04:40:44,339
is it the weekend? I'm kind of confused. What was

4009
04:40:44,339 --> 04:40:47,939
the agricultural committee suggestion. Is it similar to what Mr.

4010
04:40:47,939 --> 04:40:51,668
Farkis had just suggested? It is. Okay, good. That's fine.

4011
04:40:51,668 --> 04:40:52,868
I'm not in favor of the motion. The way it's

4012
04:40:52,868 --> 04:40:57,694
written, I think it triples up. Here. We're passing another

4013
04:40:57,694 --> 04:41:00,654
good neighbor agreement. Although we've already passed it. We're. Saying

4014
04:41:00,654 --> 04:41:04,334
that they can't get the adoption of the rezoning until

4015
04:41:04,334 --> 04:41:08,614
we change. The business licensing. Bylaw, which includes a good

4016
04:41:08,614 --> 04:41:11,654
neighbor agreement. And then we're saying that we can register.

4017
04:41:11,654 --> 04:41:14,574
It. Section 9219 covenant on there, which has a whole

4018
04:41:14,574 --> 04:41:18,304
bunch of conditions and a good neighbor. Agreement. So I'm

4019
04:41:18,304 --> 04:41:20,584
not in favor of the first two, because if there's

4020
04:41:20,584 --> 04:41:24,904
a covenant, that covenant supersedes anything, right? I mean, it

4021
04:41:24,904 --> 04:41:27,304
doesn't matter if we've. Changed our business. Licensing by law

4022
04:41:27,304 --> 04:41:29,784
is my understanding. It's a covenant's on title. And they

4023
04:41:29,784 --> 04:41:33,460
have certain restrictions. They have to follow those restrictions. Is

4024
04:41:33,460 --> 04:41:37,489
that a fair comment? The nature in which you regulate.

4025
04:41:37,489 --> 04:41:40,972
Sorry about the mic. It's a bit loud here. Changes

4026
04:41:40,972 --> 04:41:45,685
with respect to the two different regimes. So. You're allowed

4027
04:41:45,685 --> 04:41:49,965
to use ticketing as a regulatory tool with the amendment

4028
04:41:49,965 --> 04:41:54,445
of the business. License bylaw. But with respect to a

4029
04:41:54,445 --> 04:41:57,365
covenant, you'd be applying to an injection to. The courts,

4030
04:41:57,365 --> 04:41:59,445
which is a much more onerous and costly process for

4031
04:41:59,445 --> 04:42:03,946
the municipality. So I guess my perspective is both tools.

4032
04:42:05,600 --> 04:42:09,720
Are useful, aren't necessarily redundant, just allows you different regulatory

4033
04:42:09,720 --> 04:42:15,687
tools in the toolkit. Follow up. Yeah. In that case,

4034
04:42:15,687 --> 04:42:22,777
then I'm not in favor of. The. It seems fairly

4035
04:42:22,777 --> 04:42:26,657
onerous here. All three of these, especially prior to adoption

4036
04:42:26,657 --> 04:42:29,497
and the rezoning. The good neighbor agreement could cover off

4037
04:42:29,497 --> 04:42:36,129
everything that's in this section 19 219, Covenant. That needs

4038
04:42:36,129 --> 04:42:39,490
to be done. It just seems so onerous, all. All

4039
04:42:39,490 --> 04:42:43,745
three of these things going forward. And even if we

4040
04:42:43,745 --> 04:42:46,505
did want to put the section 219 covenant in, I

4041
04:42:46,505 --> 04:42:50,145
think limiting two per calendar month. I agree with councilor

4042
04:42:50,145 --> 04:42:52,065
stash on that. I think that's unfair and having to

4043
04:42:52,065 --> 04:42:55,865
notify the neighbors, I think is also just an extra

4044
04:42:55,865 --> 04:43:01,540
layer of. Unrequired information sharing. Yeah. So the way it's

4045
04:43:01,540 --> 04:43:04,020
written, I'm not voting in favor of this if we

4046
04:43:04,020 --> 04:43:05,780
tweak it a little bit, then I think I could

4047
04:43:05,780 --> 04:43:11,899
get there. Councilor Manhas Calio. And then a stash. Thank

4048
04:43:11,899 --> 04:43:16,099
you, Mr. Mayor. Is 24 hours. Period long enough because

4049
04:43:16,099 --> 04:43:18,659
if you have a rehearsal, the rehearsal will also be

4050
04:43:18,659 --> 04:43:21,059
part of the 24 hours period. Right. Rehearsals at 02:00

4051
04:43:21,059 --> 04:43:28,075
in the afternoon. And then. You're only there. For. Ten

4052
04:43:28,075 --> 04:43:34,678
or reception. The next day or whatever. Ms. Bukesh, thanks

4053
04:43:34,678 --> 04:43:41,052
for the question. When staff reached out to the ALC

4054
04:43:41,052 --> 04:43:43,972
to get some clarity on their policy with respect to

4055
04:43:43,972 --> 04:43:47,612
that 24 hours restriction. The information that we received indicated

4056
04:43:47,612 --> 04:43:51,412
that they don't have a really strict interpretation of what

4057
04:43:51,412 --> 04:43:53,612
that 24 hours is and that they actually take a

4058
04:43:53,612 --> 04:44:01,766
fairly light hand. With interpretation. And so. Staff were told

4059
04:44:01,766 --> 04:44:06,919
that. There's the ability for a rehearsal the night before

4060
04:44:06,919 --> 04:44:10,159
to fall under some other permitted use. Of the ALC

4061
04:44:10,159 --> 04:44:14,584
land use regulations that. Allows family and people to just

4062
04:44:14,584 --> 04:44:19,222
generally stand on a property. Certainly if you're talking about

4063
04:44:19,222 --> 04:44:22,955
the wedding venue that is hosting. An invite only larger

4064
04:44:22,955 --> 04:44:27,509
gathering. Of people for a Friday night rehearsal dinner and

4065
04:44:27,509 --> 04:44:31,269
then a Saturday. The information staff received is that in

4066
04:44:31,269 --> 04:44:35,549
some situations, the ALC compliance officer could identify that that

4067
04:44:35,549 --> 04:44:38,349
is outside of the 24 hours limit, but in that

4068
04:44:38,349 --> 04:44:42,144
case, they would. Refer that to compliance issue to the

4069
04:44:42,144 --> 04:44:46,064
ALC for an ultimate interpretation on policy. So there's still

4070
04:44:46,064 --> 04:44:49,584
a path forward for that kind of structure to be

4071
04:44:49,584 --> 04:44:53,687
permitted. It's just unfortunately, staff didn't receive a very strict

4072
04:44:53,687 --> 04:44:57,984
policy interpretation. From the ALC. Yeah. I'm not in favor

4073
04:44:57,984 --> 04:45:04,614
of this, then, because. It's not proper interpretation. Of the

4074
04:45:04,614 --> 04:45:13,706
bylaw. Because. If they. Would a rehearsal be another event?

4075
04:45:13,706 --> 04:45:16,546
Would that be like two events for that weekend? So.

4076
04:45:16,546 --> 04:45:20,030
Then they're down to cut down to five weddings. Right.

4077
04:45:20,030 --> 04:45:22,830
So until we get a proper interpretation, I think, or

4078
04:45:22,830 --> 04:45:27,682
proper thing, I'm not for. This. Also, what's the time

4079
04:45:27,682 --> 04:45:37,583
frame? To get the business license bylaw done. Mr. Horn.

4080
04:45:41,975 --> 04:45:44,815
You want to hit the mic there? Upon direction of

4081
04:45:44,815 --> 04:45:46,655
council, we could bring it back within about. A two

4082
04:45:46,655 --> 04:45:49,655
week turnaround. It's a fairly small revision to the business

4083
04:45:49,655 --> 04:45:55,131
license bylaw. Okay? Two weeks. I could because I just

4084
04:45:55,131 --> 04:45:59,062
want to hold these guys. Yeah. We'll require two readings

4085
04:45:59,062 --> 04:46:02,342
of the bylaw, don't we? So it's. Going to take

4086
04:46:02,342 --> 04:46:06,563
two council meetings. We have no more meetings this month.

4087
04:46:08,491 --> 04:46:12,818
It'll be next month, so probably. In March. It would

4088
04:46:12,818 --> 04:46:16,666
be adopted at the latest. Three readings and the first

4089
04:46:16,666 --> 04:46:19,626
March meeting them. Consider adoption at the second meeting in

4090
04:46:19,626 --> 04:46:24,106
march. Yeah, I hate to just delay Delhi delay because

4091
04:46:24,106 --> 04:46:25,626
people are starting to book their weddings and stuff, right?

4092
04:46:27,963 --> 04:46:35,199
I'm not in favor of this either, Councilor Calio. Thanks,

4093
04:46:35,199 --> 04:46:43,916
mayor. I'm potentially in favor of it, but. Like councilor's

4094
04:46:43,916 --> 04:46:46,880
family of Mount, as I've mentioned. I find a 24

4095
04:46:46,880 --> 04:46:54,194
hours period hasn't been explained properly. And that. It's already

4096
04:46:54,194 --> 04:47:00,114
been said by the proponents that. They have get together

4097
04:47:00,114 --> 04:47:01,834
on the Friday night and then the weddings on the

4098
04:47:01,834 --> 04:47:06,414
Saturday and there's. Cleanup on the Sunday. So I asked

4099
04:47:06,414 --> 04:47:10,663
this question earlier. Was that 16 hours on the Saturday?

4100
04:47:10,663 --> 04:47:12,943
Is it 8 hours on the Friday? 8 hours on

4101
04:47:12,943 --> 04:47:16,832
the. Sunday. Until we can actually get that cleaned up

4102
04:47:16,832 --> 04:47:19,912
and get it hardened, I can't vote for this either.

4103
04:47:22,257 --> 04:47:24,990
I mean, we just don't know. What it contains. And

4104
04:47:24,990 --> 04:47:29,765
another thing is. The schedule of events available to it

4105
04:47:29,765 --> 04:47:34,282
in advance of the neighbors. Potentially for that, but which

4106
04:47:34,282 --> 04:47:36,602
neighbors? And what are they going to have to go

4107
04:47:36,602 --> 04:47:39,522
door to door? Or how would that be done? I'm

4108
04:47:39,522 --> 04:47:45,814
just curious as to the parameters of that. Councilor Istash

4109
04:47:45,814 --> 04:47:54,965
then councilor justice. I think we're really overthinking the event

4110
04:47:54,965 --> 04:48:00,244
time period. Did nobody read our own staff's report. It

4111
04:48:00,244 --> 04:48:03,564
says, we are inferring from the decision an event to

4112
04:48:03,564 --> 04:48:06,124
be when all attendees converge. In the property for ceremony

4113
04:48:06,124 --> 04:48:10,204
and reception, then activities tangentially related to the wedding, overnight

4114
04:48:10,204 --> 04:48:13,444
accommodations of priority and after that do not necessarily contravene

4115
04:48:13,444 --> 04:48:17,444
a 24 hours restriction are excluded from being part of

4116
04:48:17,444 --> 04:48:21,295
the event and. We're counsel. We decide that. So don't

4117
04:48:21,295 --> 04:48:25,535
worry about it. Support it 24 hours. Is the event

4118
04:48:25,535 --> 04:48:29,215
itself and tangental side events of being set up and

4119
04:48:29,215 --> 04:48:32,255
takedown aren't. Going to occur on it. We're overthinking things

4120
04:48:32,255 --> 04:48:35,015
here and it's. Easy to get ten emails from a

4121
04:48:35,015 --> 04:48:38,375
neighbor's list and have the property owner have that, and

4122
04:48:38,375 --> 04:48:40,725
we probably don't need a full schedule. Of events. We

4123
04:48:40,725 --> 04:48:44,185
could just say there's a wedding on this day. We've

4124
04:48:44,185 --> 04:48:47,105
been to enough weddings. The wedding is usually at 02:00

4125
04:48:47,105 --> 04:48:51,105
suppers at six dances at seven. Every wedding is cookie

4126
04:48:51,105 --> 04:48:56,050
cutter that way, pretty much. We're really overthinking things, but.

4127
04:48:57,728 --> 04:49:01,450
I can. And then for Councilor Finley. One more month,

4128
04:49:01,450 --> 04:49:03,530
they're going to have the zoning in place. Weddings are

4129
04:49:03,530 --> 04:49:06,250
until later. I think we really need to have that

4130
04:49:06,250 --> 04:49:09,170
business license change in there. To the other councils that

4131
04:49:09,170 --> 04:49:11,610
said they can't support it because of that. If we

4132
04:49:11,610 --> 04:49:14,690
can put enough meat into the business. License requirement. I

4133
04:49:14,690 --> 04:49:21,177
can understand councilor Finley's point on having the redundancy. Of

4134
04:49:21,177 --> 04:49:24,097
a covenant on there not being necessary, and even staff

4135
04:49:24,097 --> 04:49:27,857
said that that might be overly redundant. Not necessary. And

4136
04:49:27,857 --> 04:49:32,187
likewise, legal counsel. I would just really like to get

4137
04:49:32,187 --> 04:49:35,667
council support on putting some things in here that help

4138
04:49:35,667 --> 04:49:41,258
us. On future land use concerns of where. Neighbors concerns

4139
04:49:41,258 --> 04:49:48,706
can be alleviated with this proper teeth. Councilor justice. I

4140
04:49:48,706 --> 04:49:54,532
mean, if the 24 hours period thing. Is a stumbling

4141
04:49:54,532 --> 04:49:58,530
block. Let's just pull it out. I'll move to remove

4142
04:49:58,530 --> 04:50:03,179
it from the list. You'll move to what? Amend your

4143
04:50:03,179 --> 04:50:05,739
motion. A strikeout. That item? Yes. So it's? Been moved.

4144
04:50:09,816 --> 04:50:15,994
Keep. Bear with me one moment here. So let's just

4145
04:50:15,994 --> 04:50:22,133
go through the list then the 24 hours is. B.

4146
04:50:23,497 --> 04:50:26,017
What were the other ones you mentioned? Let's just do

4147
04:50:26,017 --> 04:50:32,578
the mortar time. One at a time. Okay, so we're

4148
04:50:32,578 --> 04:50:35,976
going to have to sever. It a few ways here,

4149
04:50:35,976 --> 04:50:43,247
then. That's just a simple text. Pull it up. Just

4150
04:50:43,247 --> 04:50:45,287
bear with me for one moment. So there's three parts

4151
04:50:45,287 --> 04:50:47,607
to emotion here. It's. The first one the council direct

4152
04:50:47,607 --> 04:50:49,407
staff has a condition of rezoning to enter into. A

4153
04:50:49,407 --> 04:50:51,527
good neighbor agreement with the applicant, which I think is

4154
04:50:51,527 --> 04:50:54,007
redundant because we already passed that of the December 17

4155
04:50:54,007 --> 04:50:58,892
meeting. And the next part here is that council direct

4156
04:50:58,892 --> 04:51:02,012
staff, prior to consideration, adoption of the rezoning. To undertake

4157
04:51:02,012 --> 04:51:04,732
amendments. The municipality North Couch business license filed on number

4158
04:51:04,732 --> 04:51:08,932
2002 to authorize the business license of spectrum imposed additional

4159
04:51:08,932 --> 04:51:12,252
conditions on business licenses, including, but not limited to hours

4160
04:51:12,252 --> 04:51:18,114
of operation use of. Amplified music, onsite parking and the

4161
04:51:18,114 --> 04:51:21,914
requirement for a good neighbor agreement and compliance therewith. So

4162
04:51:21,914 --> 04:51:25,952
do we want to vote on that part separate? I'm

4163
04:51:25,952 --> 04:51:28,352
turning the corporate officer to make sure I'm following procedure

4164
04:51:28,352 --> 04:51:29,952
properly here. Do you want us to move and second

4165
04:51:29,952 --> 04:51:35,730
this again, or can we just sever these? Go ahead

4166
04:51:35,730 --> 04:51:38,370
and sever, but I will make a comment, though, that

4167
04:51:38,370 --> 04:51:43,611
the good neighbor agreement. That was previously passed, just so

4168
04:51:43,611 --> 04:51:47,171
council is aware, was prior to business license issuance. So

4169
04:51:47,171 --> 04:51:50,331
that is the different nuance there than the one that's

4170
04:51:50,331 --> 04:51:54,830
in front of you now. Council justice. As the author

4171
04:51:54,830 --> 04:51:57,390
of this, do you have a preference on us, considering

4172
04:51:57,390 --> 04:51:59,870
the one you've just brought forward or what we passed

4173
04:51:59,870 --> 04:52:06,076
on December 17. The nuance on that, as I recall,

4174
04:52:06,076 --> 04:52:09,436
is that if you've already issued the good neighbor agreement,

4175
04:52:09,436 --> 04:52:11,596
and then you amend the business license. You won't be

4176
04:52:11,596 --> 04:52:14,805
able to tie it. To it. So you need to

4177
04:52:14,805 --> 04:52:18,005
hold off until you amend the business license and then

4178
04:52:18,005 --> 04:52:22,050
tie the good neighbor. Agreement to that. Just leave what

4179
04:52:22,050 --> 04:52:23,770
we had on December 17? Yeah.

4180
04:52:32,059 --> 04:52:36,056
If you want to amend the business license. That needs

4181
04:52:36,056 --> 04:52:39,136
to be done and then tie the good neighbor agreement

4182
04:52:39,136 --> 04:52:43,236
to that don't do the grid paper agreement first. The

4183
04:52:43,236 --> 04:52:47,217
way the motion was passed would be problematic. All right.

4184
04:52:47,217 --> 04:52:52,790
Clear to everyone? Crystal clear. So let's vote on the

4185
04:52:52,790 --> 04:52:55,270
first part of this, then. The councilor staff as a

4186
04:52:55,270 --> 04:52:57,790
condition of rezoning to enter into a good neighbor agreement

4187
04:52:57,790 --> 04:53:05,557
with the applicant. Can we vote on that one? Yes.

4188
04:53:05,557 --> 04:53:09,693
Okay, so I'll call the question on that one. All

4189
04:53:09,693 --> 04:53:14,435
in favor? And opposed. None opposed. Motion carries. Now, we'll

4190
04:53:14,435 --> 04:53:16,395
consider the second part of it, then. The second part?

4191
04:53:18,511 --> 04:53:21,191
Of the motion that council direct staff prior. Do I

4192
04:53:21,191 --> 04:53:23,631
have to read this out again? Okay, so. We're going

4193
04:53:23,631 --> 04:53:26,351
to vote on the second part. Now, in terms of

4194
04:53:26,351 --> 04:53:32,782
amending. The business license by a loss. So, assuming we

4195
04:53:32,782 --> 04:53:37,247
can get this done in time, but, I mean. If

4196
04:53:37,247 --> 04:53:40,687
all accounts. We're pushing forward to rezoning, and this is

4197
04:53:40,687 --> 04:53:42,287
now delaying it. By a month because we have to

4198
04:53:42,287 --> 04:53:46,021
go to two or three council meetings. We're coming into.

4199
04:53:46,021 --> 04:53:48,541
We made a bunch of changes recently to expedite stuff

4200
04:53:48,541 --> 04:53:52,975
like. The garden on Wallace street. Right. So we expedited

4201
04:53:52,975 --> 04:53:55,535
it. This might hinder their ability. To book weddings this

4202
04:53:55,535 --> 04:53:57,735
summer because brides are booking the weddings now. They were

4203
04:53:57,735 --> 04:54:00,055
booking them six months ago. So my concern is that

4204
04:54:00,055 --> 04:54:02,375
we wait two months, two and a half months, until

4205
04:54:02,375 --> 04:54:04,935
we pass the business license bylaw, and then they've missed

4206
04:54:04,935 --> 04:54:08,255
out on part of the summer. Wedding season. That's my

4207
04:54:08,255 --> 04:54:12,422
concern. Perhaps staff want to comment on this. But. It.

4208
04:54:12,422 --> 04:54:14,422
Would it not be possible to have like, if it

4209
04:54:14,422 --> 04:54:17,262
the business amendment bylaw came back? On the second meeting

4210
04:54:17,262 --> 04:54:21,265
of March. We could have the zoning amendment bylaw come

4211
04:54:21,265 --> 04:54:24,385
back at that same meeting for adoption, correct, Mr. Swaving.

4212
04:54:24,385 --> 04:54:27,629
You've got to separate. Mr. Mary, I believe you have

4213
04:54:27,629 --> 04:54:32,947
to separate. Have two meetings to adopt that bylaw. The

4214
04:54:32,947 --> 04:54:36,659
corporate officer would know better than me. Think you can

4215
04:54:36,659 --> 04:54:38,699
give it first three readings and it has to come

4216
04:54:38,699 --> 04:54:42,554
to the next council meet. I get that, but could

4217
04:54:42,554 --> 04:54:46,074
we not consider. So let's say the second meeting of

4218
04:54:46,074 --> 04:54:50,354
March. We've got the business amendment, business license, amendment bylaws

4219
04:54:50,354 --> 04:54:53,594
come back for adoption. Could we not consider adoption of

4220
04:54:53,594 --> 04:54:59,694
the zoning amendment bylaw that same meeting. The business would

4221
04:54:59,694 --> 04:55:05,858
depend on the covenant being registered for one. And. The

4222
04:55:05,858 --> 04:55:08,698
other issues that are tied to the business license being

4223
04:55:08,698 --> 04:55:17,977
done in the good neighbor agreement. Counselor. Do you want

4224
04:55:17,977 --> 04:55:20,057
to, Counselor Hogg? That will come back to you. Or

4225
04:55:20,057 --> 04:55:25,223
do you want to? Finish. What you're. I just briefly

4226
04:55:25,223 --> 04:55:30,263
wanted to respond to councilor Finnley's concerns about timing. I

4227
04:55:30,263 --> 04:55:35,359
think I heard fairly clearly during. The public hearing that,

4228
04:55:35,359 --> 04:55:38,799
in fact, this is not causing a delay in booking

4229
04:55:38,799 --> 04:55:42,359
weddings. They're booking weddings. And I think with the indication

4230
04:55:42,359 --> 04:55:49,301
that. We are moving, although slowly, towards. Approving this wedding

4231
04:55:49,301 --> 04:55:55,666
venue. I don't think that. They're going to be missing

4232
04:55:55,666 --> 04:56:00,363
out on any bookings. I'm guessing, of course, but. I

4233
04:56:00,363 --> 04:56:08,575
wouldn't worry about a couple of months myself. Councilor Hogg.

4234
04:56:08,575 --> 04:56:11,175
Thank you. This question, I guess, might be for Ted

4235
04:56:11,175 --> 04:56:18,921
or Trisha. With adopting. It's so late.

4236
04:56:21,906 --> 04:56:27,268
Doing the adoption. For what we're doing right now. I

4237
04:56:27,268 --> 04:56:29,668
don't even know how the words, the business license bylaw.

4238
04:56:29,668 --> 04:56:34,999
No. The amendment. Oh, the zoning amendment. Thank you. How

4239
04:56:34,999 --> 04:56:39,215
long would that. Where would that look like in timeline,

4240
04:56:39,215 --> 04:56:41,535
anyways, if we're looking at comparison, what are we looking

4241
04:56:41,535 --> 04:56:48,701
at that adoption? Do you get what I mean? No,

4242
04:56:48,701 --> 04:56:55,630
not 100%. Why making the assumption? The council wants to

4243
04:56:55,630 --> 04:56:59,670
amend the business license bylaw. We'll take those two meetings

4244
04:56:59,670 --> 04:57:03,310
that the MER described. If making the assumption that council

4245
04:57:03,310 --> 04:57:05,990
wants the restrictive covenant register, which we've never talked to

4246
04:57:05,990 --> 04:57:09,512
the applicant, likely about. That's a whole process where the

4247
04:57:09,512 --> 04:57:11,912
lawyers have to draft the covenant, our lawyer has to.

4248
04:57:11,912 --> 04:57:13,472
Review it, and then it has to be registered on

4249
04:57:13,472 --> 04:57:16,552
title. It'll take about the same. Amount of time. As

4250
04:57:16,552 --> 04:57:20,942
long as we have agreement. On those issues going into

4251
04:57:20,942 --> 04:57:22,822
the covenant. Sorry. I think I can be a little

4252
04:57:22,822 --> 04:57:26,302
bit more clear. That? Let's just say taking the bylaw

4253
04:57:26,302 --> 04:57:28,502
out of it completely and all, we're. Doing is moving

4254
04:57:28,502 --> 04:57:31,462
forward. What would the timing be like to just, I'm

4255
04:57:31,462 --> 04:57:34,902
looking at timelines for adoption if this wasn't in, it

4256
04:57:34,902 --> 04:57:37,422
saves a different scenario. We're not talking the wedding venue.

4257
04:57:37,422 --> 04:57:39,342
We're here right now. We're doing third reading and. We

4258
04:57:39,342 --> 04:57:42,020
need to adopt. It. What is the timeline? But it

4259
04:57:42,020 --> 04:57:46,384
depends on what council wants. To tie as restrictions if

4260
04:57:46,384 --> 04:57:49,864
you don't have anything except a good neighbor agreement. Yes,

4261
04:57:49,864 --> 04:57:51,864
we can draft that up and probably have this back

4262
04:57:51,864 --> 04:57:56,975
in the first meeting in February, okay? Thank you, Councilor

4263
04:57:56,975 --> 04:58:01,530
Finley. If we're pushing forward on business license bylaw. So

4264
04:58:01,530 --> 04:58:04,090
we're going to amend the business license to impose these

4265
04:58:04,090 --> 04:58:07,570
additional business license requirements at the same time as creating

4266
04:58:07,570 --> 04:58:09,490
a good neighbor agreement. Why do we have a section

4267
04:58:09,490 --> 04:58:12,370
219 at all? We don't even need it. Because the

4268
04:58:12,370 --> 04:58:14,170
good neighbor agreement is covering off all the stuff. Plus

4269
04:58:14,170 --> 04:58:17,090
a business license is also covered. Is it not? The

4270
04:58:17,090 --> 04:58:20,331
big difference is it goes with the land. So that's

4271
04:58:20,331 --> 04:58:22,611
the thing. It stays on title, right? So future owners.

4272
04:58:24,292 --> 04:58:28,036
Will be with those conditions, right? With respect. To a

4273
04:58:28,036 --> 04:58:31,836
condition of business licensing through a good neighbor agreement. Really?

4274
04:58:31,836 --> 04:58:35,076
Then it requires the licensee. To reapply or the owner

4275
04:58:35,076 --> 04:58:37,476
to reapply for the license. So they're actually different. The

4276
04:58:37,476 --> 04:58:39,036
other one goes with the land, the other one doesn't.

4277
04:58:41,072 --> 04:58:43,432
And there could be human error with respect to administration.

4278
04:58:43,432 --> 04:58:45,872
So, for example, let's say if there's a new owner.

4279
04:58:47,427 --> 04:58:50,507
And they apply for a business license, it'll be up

4280
04:58:50,507 --> 04:58:55,267
to the bylaw staff without. Any further direction of council

4281
04:58:55,267 --> 04:58:56,947
to determine whether or not to build in that condition.

4282
04:58:58,383 --> 04:59:01,463
Right. So there's a chance that that doesn't happen, and

4283
04:59:01,463 --> 04:59:05,626
then those conditions don't. Flow to the new ownership. I

4284
04:59:05,626 --> 04:59:08,826
think it's late, Mr. Mayor. It's quite late. And bad

4285
04:59:08,826 --> 04:59:17,162
decisions get made. When it's late. And I'm really sensing

4286
04:59:17,162 --> 04:59:20,360
that even. With all the advice that's been provided, even

4287
04:59:20,360 --> 04:59:23,120
by the solicitor, that this is falling through. The crocs

4288
04:59:23,120 --> 04:59:27,356
for you. So. Another option is that you're going to

4289
04:59:27,356 --> 04:59:30,596
defer this decision until you get a report. Back on

4290
04:59:30,596 --> 04:59:33,988
how to implement it. That delays it more, but I'm

4291
04:59:33,988 --> 04:59:39,485
just recognizing that it's late and we're. Struggling. And just

4292
04:59:39,485 --> 04:59:42,965
to clarify the timelines we've been referring to March, I

4293
04:59:42,965 --> 04:59:49,165
think I started. That inadvertently. But if Mr. Horn Team

4294
04:59:49,165 --> 04:59:52,765
can pull together the update to the business licensing by

4295
04:59:52,765 --> 04:59:54,525
a law in two weeks, then we would be in

4296
04:59:54,525 --> 04:59:57,845
a position to consider that at the first meeting. Of

4297
04:59:57,845 --> 05:00:00,325
February. And to wrap it up potentially before the end

4298
05:00:00,325 --> 05:00:04,559
of the month. And it was a bit of a

4299
05:00:04,559 --> 05:00:06,879
buffet. The motion has a bunch of things you don't.

4300
05:00:06,879 --> 05:00:09,359
Have to do them all. I think that was explained

4301
05:00:09,359 --> 05:00:14,555
earlier as well. That there's checks and balances. To both.

4302
05:00:14,555 --> 05:00:16,155
But you don't need to do all of them to

4303
05:00:16,155 --> 05:00:19,894
achieve the same thing. So do we want to give?

4304
05:00:19,894 --> 05:00:21,374
And I'm going to come to you in one moment.

4305
05:00:21,374 --> 05:00:23,334
Councilor man asked, but do we want to give staff

4306
05:00:23,334 --> 05:00:27,374
direction right now then to begin updating? The business license

4307
05:00:27,374 --> 05:00:29,694
bylaw, recognizing that they're going to have to bring it

4308
05:00:29,694 --> 05:00:33,134
back. To us for first three readings, and if anyone

4309
05:00:33,134 --> 05:00:35,374
gets cold skate at that point, we can decide. To

4310
05:00:35,374 --> 05:00:39,262
move in a different direction. Do you want to comment

4311
05:00:39,262 --> 05:00:41,422
on that? Councilman? Ask. Did you want to comment on

4312
05:00:41,422 --> 05:00:45,772
that? Can the covenant on the land not be put

4313
05:00:45,772 --> 05:00:55,070
on afterwards? The incentive or the leverage that council has

4314
05:00:55,070 --> 05:01:01,042
is to require it before you finalize the zoning. Yes,

4315
05:01:01,042 --> 05:01:07,251
it can be, but. It's never done that way because.

4316
05:01:07,744 --> 05:01:09,624
What's the incentive to do it? I'm just saying, just

4317
05:01:09,624 --> 05:01:13,144
expedite things. Further? No. What's the incentive on the applicants

4318
05:01:13,144 --> 05:01:17,597
point? Did it? Well, we get the word. No. Do

4319
05:01:17,597 --> 05:01:19,437
we want to vote then on the second part of

4320
05:01:19,437 --> 05:01:22,397
this, to give direction to staff, to update the business

4321
05:01:22,397 --> 05:01:25,277
licensing bylaw. Recognizing the gain. We're not making the final

4322
05:01:25,277 --> 05:01:27,837
decision, right? Now they're going to bring the bylaw back

4323
05:01:27,837 --> 05:01:33,121
for debate. At the sounds of the first meeting of

4324
05:01:33,121 --> 05:01:37,394
February. It's going to call the question. Someone keeping an

4325
05:01:37,394 --> 05:01:39,114
eye on mike there I keep forgetting to look at.

4326
05:01:41,042 --> 05:01:43,682
His box on the screen. Councilor Callie. Sorry. So call

4327
05:01:43,682 --> 05:01:46,922
the question then. All in favor and oppose. None opposed.

4328
05:01:46,922 --> 05:01:50,882
Motion carries. So we're now at the third part, and

4329
05:01:50,882 --> 05:01:54,510
this is the longer portion of. The motion. And that's

4330
05:01:54,510 --> 05:01:58,630
with regards to section 219, land title act, so it

4331
05:01:58,630 --> 05:02:02,429
sounds like. You were willing to. Remove one part of

4332
05:02:02,429 --> 05:02:06,270
this councilor, justice and. That was the section b, the

4333
05:02:06,270 --> 05:02:09,950
24 hours period. And Councilor Finley, you identified a couple

4334
05:02:09,950 --> 05:02:12,670
of. Other areas you had some questions or concerns about.

4335
05:02:14,542 --> 05:02:15,822
Ms. May, could you put them back up on the

4336
05:02:15,822 --> 05:02:20,767
screen? Councilor Finley. Yeah. So I'd suggest removing BC Andy.

4337
05:02:24,780 --> 05:02:27,460
So as the author, I'll go to councilor justice first

4338
05:02:27,460 --> 05:02:34,892
and over to councilor. Stash. I think that they need

4339
05:02:34,892 --> 05:02:38,212
to be considered separately, but if we're speaking to it,

4340
05:02:38,212 --> 05:02:42,467
I would say that. The schedule of events is really

4341
05:02:42,467 --> 05:02:48,904
easy. And they just have a website. When the weddings

4342
05:02:48,904 --> 05:02:51,344
are so that I think actually it's to their own

4343
05:02:51,344 --> 05:02:54,984
benefit, because then people who are making noise and the

4344
05:02:54,984 --> 05:02:59,469
people next door. Can ensure that. They're going to be

4345
05:02:59,469 --> 05:03:04,029
quiet during that particular Saturday, at that particular time. So

4346
05:03:04,029 --> 05:03:08,052
they're, not disturbing. The wedding ceremony outside, so, I mean,

4347
05:03:08,052 --> 05:03:17,873
I think. That's just. Basic. Easy, right? Easy vs. Well.

4348
05:03:20,125 --> 05:03:23,205
We've got a motion movement seconded. We severed it so

4349
05:03:23,205 --> 05:03:25,165
we don't have. To revote on this portion, but how

4350
05:03:25,165 --> 05:03:28,205
about we vote on amending it to decide if we

4351
05:03:28,205 --> 05:03:30,365
want to remove certain portions of it. But, councilor stash,

4352
05:03:30,365 --> 05:03:32,405
you want to jump in? Well, just a comment on

4353
05:03:32,405 --> 05:03:35,405
all three when I was speaking about my thoughts on

4354
05:03:35,405 --> 05:03:41,921
them earlier. I didn't fully look at the little parts.

4355
05:03:43,864 --> 05:03:45,624
The last part is property in the following ways. If

4356
05:03:45,624 --> 05:03:49,132
it was a covenant, BC and d don't really need

4357
05:03:49,132 --> 05:03:51,052
to be in the covenant. Those are parts of a

4358
05:03:51,052 --> 05:03:54,732
good neighbor agreement to my feeling, and I think they're

4359
05:03:54,732 --> 05:04:01,784
too prescriptive to a covenant, whereas. AeFG and H are

4360
05:04:01,784 --> 05:04:04,864
the key parts because H is going to deal with

4361
05:04:04,864 --> 05:04:09,578
Bc and D. If I might, just for clarity, the.

4362
05:04:11,314 --> 05:04:14,154
Conditions were supposed to be things that were protected by

4363
05:04:14,154 --> 05:04:17,822
all three of those things. They weren't specific to the

4364
05:04:17,822 --> 05:04:24,362
Covenant in my intent. Counselor hog. Thank you, mayor. I'm

4365
05:04:24,362 --> 05:04:27,282
just looking at e here and just some clarification. It

4366
05:04:27,282 --> 05:04:30,082
says that all ancillary music will be contained behind closed

4367
05:04:30,082 --> 05:04:36,599
doors of the assembly. Use building on process. What are

4368
05:04:36,599 --> 05:04:40,002
we considering? Amplified. When you have a wedding venue or

4369
05:04:40,002 --> 05:04:42,642
when doing an outdoor wedding, you're going to have music

4370
05:04:42,642 --> 05:04:45,042
playing or is there a decibel reading that we need

4371
05:04:45,042 --> 05:04:51,744
to make that bit more? Clarity in that. Because. It's

4372
05:04:51,744 --> 05:04:59,120
just to have the best clarification on here. So we're

4373
05:04:59,120 --> 05:05:03,108
not putting the wrong wording in. As the author. Council

4374
05:05:03,108 --> 05:05:04,868
justice. Want to clarify that? Then I'll go to councilor

4375
05:05:04,868 --> 05:05:12,356
Manass. I'm. With respect. Once a motion is made and

4376
05:05:12,356 --> 05:05:14,756
seconded, it really belongs to all of council, and not

4377
05:05:14,756 --> 05:05:21,280
just the original author. Understanding your intent is helpful for

4378
05:05:21,280 --> 05:05:24,680
all of us. Yes. So with respect to which one?

4379
05:05:26,474 --> 05:05:30,474
With respect to e. The amplified music being indoors. Well.

4380
05:05:32,680 --> 05:05:38,601
Really? That was just reflecting. The promise that the proponents

4381
05:05:38,601 --> 05:05:42,016
made. And so it's really about what they meant, because

4382
05:05:42,016 --> 05:05:44,536
they're saying that all the music is going to be

4383
05:05:44,536 --> 05:05:47,056
indoors and the doors will be shut and nobody's going

4384
05:05:47,056 --> 05:05:49,856
to hear it from outside. And so we're going. Yeah.

4385
05:05:49,856 --> 05:05:52,958
Okay. So let's just protect. That with the good neighbors

4386
05:05:52,958 --> 05:05:58,678
agreement or the business license stipulation or whatever it is,

4387
05:05:58,678 --> 05:06:04,523
so. I don't know the answer to that, but. This

4388
05:06:04,523 --> 05:06:07,683
is really mostly, as I said, mostly things, almost entirely

4389
05:06:07,683 --> 05:06:12,192
things that the proponents themselves. Have put forward as conditions.

4390
05:06:14,187 --> 05:06:17,954
I think staff and maybe. If I were to interpret

4391
05:06:17,954 --> 05:06:19,754
that as if you have a guitar music when you're

4392
05:06:19,754 --> 05:06:22,994
coming. Down the aisle or harp or something that's not

4393
05:06:22,994 --> 05:06:26,521
amplified music. And that's okay. It's when the rock band

4394
05:06:26,521 --> 05:06:30,860
comes out. And Councilor Hugg gets her dancing. She's on.

4395
05:06:30,860 --> 05:06:39,348
That's got to be. Behind closed doors. All right. So

4396
05:06:39,348 --> 05:06:41,028
do we want to go through it one by one?

4397
05:06:41,028 --> 05:06:43,028
Which ones? We want to remove like no one brought

4398
05:06:43,028 --> 05:06:46,903
up a as an issue b. Do you want to

4399
05:06:46,903 --> 05:06:47,503
keep remove B.

4400
05:07:00,229 --> 05:07:02,069
The reason I would recommend leaving it in was it

4401
05:07:02,069 --> 05:07:05,317
was a big part of. Trying to define what the

4402
05:07:05,317 --> 05:07:11,372
event was. For the neighborhood. What is that, five days?

4403
05:07:11,372 --> 05:07:13,812
So that we tried to look at the way that

4404
05:07:13,812 --> 05:07:19,478
the agricultural. Land commission. Land commission does it, and I

4405
05:07:19,478 --> 05:07:22,758
think that's a reasonable way to do it. Councilor Finley.

4406
05:07:22,758 --> 05:07:24,798
Why don't we change it to 36 hours? That covers

4407
05:07:24,798 --> 05:07:28,592
Friday night or. Through to all. A Saturday. I move

4408
05:07:28,592 --> 05:07:34,760
that. Gets moved. Is there a second?

4409
05:07:40,092 --> 05:07:43,652
A second by councilor Manass. Any discussion? Ready to call

4410
05:07:43,652 --> 05:07:49,020
the question? All in favor and opposed. Motion carries with

4411
05:07:49,020 --> 05:07:53,241
the mayor, councilor stash and councilor. Justice. Opposed? We've amended

4412
05:07:53,241 --> 05:07:58,032
one part of it. That's B C. To two events

4413
05:07:58,032 --> 05:08:03,983
per month. Someone. Moved to remove that move by councilor

4414
05:08:03,983 --> 05:08:07,463
families or a seconder second by Councilor Hogg. Any discussion.

4415
05:08:09,750 --> 05:08:13,974
Council justice. Yeah. I think this is a really important

4416
05:08:13,974 --> 05:08:17,814
one. And I think as the proponents themselves indicated, that

4417
05:08:17,814 --> 05:08:22,278
they are going to be doing. They will probably want

4418
05:08:22,278 --> 05:08:26,317
to do it. Every other weekend anyway, so I think

4419
05:08:26,317 --> 05:08:30,139
this is a really important one. In terms of giving

4420
05:08:30,139 --> 05:08:36,309
the neighbors. Some assurance that they're not going to. Be.

4421
05:08:38,002 --> 05:08:40,922
All tan. Weddings are going to be on the ten

4422
05:08:40,922 --> 05:08:44,362
nice summer evenings, and so do they have every other

4423
05:08:44,362 --> 05:08:48,042
weekend off. I think that's just. A completely reasonable sort

4424
05:08:48,042 --> 05:08:54,178
of. A compromise. Whether it's two per calendar month or

4425
05:08:54,178 --> 05:08:56,298
every other. I don't know how to. Do that, but,

4426
05:08:56,298 --> 05:08:58,258
I mean, I think two per calendar month is a

4427
05:08:58,258 --> 05:09:02,538
pretty reasonable way of going. About it, Councilor Fenley. So

4428
05:09:02,538 --> 05:09:04,898
the issue is that July and August have 31 days,

4429
05:09:04,898 --> 05:09:06,778
right? And so I'm just looking at January just because

4430
05:09:06,778 --> 05:09:09,418
it's right here and the 3. January is a Saturday.

4431
05:09:09,418 --> 05:09:12,774
The 17th is a Saturday. 31st is Saturday, so that

4432
05:09:12,774 --> 05:09:15,694
could be three in a 31 day month. And also

4433
05:09:15,694 --> 05:09:17,214
in the 30 day, months. You have the same thing.

4434
05:09:17,214 --> 05:09:19,294
So that's why I'm concerned about that. Because if they're

4435
05:09:19,294 --> 05:09:21,574
every two weeks, which is what the proponent has suggested,

4436
05:09:21,574 --> 05:09:24,454
she's trying to limit to, then that would be fine.

4437
05:09:24,454 --> 05:09:26,654
But as she said, sometimes they might get one. On

4438
05:09:26,654 --> 05:09:28,894
the third and the 10th. And not another one till

4439
05:09:28,894 --> 05:09:32,064
the 24th to the 31st. So again. Could be three

4440
05:09:32,064 --> 05:09:33,744
in a month. So I just don't think we should

4441
05:09:33,744 --> 05:09:37,664
limit. We were limiting tan already and the wedding season

4442
05:09:37,664 --> 05:09:40,184
is made to October, so I think that should just

4443
05:09:40,184 --> 05:09:43,540
be removed. I wonder if there's another way of doing

4444
05:09:43,540 --> 05:09:52,963
it. For example. Limiting it. To. Maximum three of

4445
05:09:52,963 --> 05:10:01,593
the. Well, now, I could say. I guess. You said

4446
05:10:01,593 --> 05:10:08,120
how many? There's 62 days. Of nine weeks. In the

4447
05:10:08,120 --> 05:10:15,726
height of the summer. So what about. Five over. The

4448
05:10:15,726 --> 05:10:21,342
summer months. Maximum five months. Insurer. How are you defining

4449
05:10:21,342 --> 05:10:27,639
summer months? July and August. Okay. All right. Councilor man

4450
05:10:27,639 --> 05:10:32,830
asked. Yeah, I think that's pretty difficult to restrict because

4451
05:10:32,830 --> 05:10:35,470
what if somebody is adamant on a certain day for

4452
05:10:35,470 --> 05:10:38,893
a wedding. Well, they can do that if it's a

4453
05:10:38,893 --> 05:10:42,053
number, if it's a maximum of five of July and

4454
05:10:42,053 --> 05:10:50,090
August. They could pick whatever dates they wanted. I don't

4455
05:10:50,090 --> 05:10:54,002
know. Well, remember, what we're trying to do is achieve

4456
05:10:54,002 --> 05:10:58,856
a compromise. Absolutely. So that not every weekend is right.

4457
05:11:00,578 --> 05:11:02,378
Half the weekends you can have weddings. Half the weekends

4458
05:11:02,378 --> 05:11:08,127
they have free. Seems like a totally reasonable compromise. So

4459
05:11:08,127 --> 05:11:11,247
I think we've got a motion here to strike this

4460
05:11:11,247 --> 05:11:15,219
out. Is there an appetite? Around the table. To instead.

4461
05:11:16,752 --> 05:11:20,592
Consider some alternative wording that does set some limits around

4462
05:11:20,592 --> 05:11:22,512
how many of these can be held in a given

4463
05:11:22,512 --> 05:11:23,952
period, or do you just want to strike it out

4464
05:11:23,952 --> 05:11:28,287
altogether? Councilor stash. Is there some way to word it

4465
05:11:28,287 --> 05:11:31,647
that it needs to be negotiated in? The good neighbor

4466
05:11:31,647 --> 05:11:37,364
agreement. This is something. A good neighbor agreement. How does

4467
05:11:37,364 --> 05:11:39,884
it come up with it? The neighbors and the proponent

4468
05:11:39,884 --> 05:11:41,804
get together? And come up with a good neighbor agreement.

4469
05:11:41,804 --> 05:11:44,564
Is that how it works? What's the process? We just

4470
05:11:44,564 --> 05:11:51,792
dictate what it's going to be. We're delving into. Like

4471
05:11:51,792 --> 05:11:54,481
we're in the weeds. I get it. I support while

4472
05:11:54,481 --> 05:11:56,401
you're doing it, and I agree with it as well.

4473
05:11:56,401 --> 05:11:58,041
But we're getting into the weeds, and we don't know

4474
05:11:58,041 --> 05:12:01,998
what the right balance is. So I want to achieve

4475
05:12:01,998 --> 05:12:03,598
what you're trying to achieve, but I just don't. Know

4476
05:12:03,598 --> 05:12:05,878
how to go about it without getting into the weeds

4477
05:12:05,878 --> 05:12:09,598
or council we're supposed to. Be bylaw, policy high level,

4478
05:12:09,598 --> 05:12:14,633
and we're really deep. So I see your mic still

4479
05:12:14,633 --> 05:12:18,941
on, councilor. Just sending that. We shouldn't be in the

4480
05:12:18,941 --> 05:12:25,422
weeds. But we're in the weeds, right? So what are

4481
05:12:25,422 --> 05:12:30,089
you going to do? Just like. This is a really

4482
05:12:30,089 --> 05:12:36,376
important thing. To remind us again of what we're hopefully

4483
05:12:36,376 --> 05:12:39,754
trying to do here, right? So we're moving towards improving

4484
05:12:39,754 --> 05:12:43,434
this wedding venue, which has raised a lot of concerns

4485
05:12:43,434 --> 05:12:46,154
amongst a lot of neighbors. We're trying to find a

4486
05:12:46,154 --> 05:12:49,634
way of just making it work as best as possible

4487
05:12:49,634 --> 05:12:55,239
for all people right now. Given. The time constraints, we

4488
05:12:55,239 --> 05:12:57,679
could say, good, send us back to staff and say,

4489
05:12:57,679 --> 05:12:59,879
give us some recommendations. But that's going to put everything

4490
05:12:59,879 --> 05:13:05,372
two weeks behind. Schedule, so. I would say just let's

4491
05:13:05,372 --> 05:13:09,950
go with maximum two per calendar month. That leaves a

4492
05:13:09,950 --> 05:13:17,995
possibility. Of 24. Two per month. 24. And they're only

4493
05:13:17,995 --> 05:13:23,966
doing ten, so they can fit it in. Councilor Finley.

4494
05:13:23,966 --> 05:13:25,766
Why don't we just amend it to, say, maximum of

4495
05:13:25,766 --> 05:13:28,126
three in July? And a maximum of three in August,

4496
05:13:28,126 --> 05:13:31,919
because then if it's five weekends, then we're. Golden. Too

4497
05:13:31,919 --> 05:13:35,359
many. It's not enough. Free weekend. It's way more than

4498
05:13:35,359 --> 05:13:41,390
half, right? Slightly. More than half. Three out of five

4499
05:13:41,390 --> 05:13:44,659
over the two months. We got a boat and killing

4500
05:13:44,659 --> 05:13:54,439
it. To remove. Section. From the.

4501
05:13:56,562 --> 05:14:01,189
Question on all in favor? Opposed motion carriers. The mayor,

4502
05:14:01,189 --> 05:14:09,270
councillor. Want to move an alternative for that. Councilor.

4503
05:14:12,088 --> 05:14:18,887
I would move. A maximum of. Five per calendar. Over

4504
05:14:18,887 --> 05:14:22,524
the months of July and August. Second by councilor staff.

4505
05:14:22,524 --> 05:14:26,338
We have to debate it. Just call the question. All

4506
05:14:26,338 --> 05:14:34,922
in favor? And opposed. Counselor. Council on that. It's defeated

4507
05:14:34,922 --> 05:14:40,093
with councilor's Callie Log, Finley and Manhattan. All right. There

4508
05:14:40,093 --> 05:14:43,493
was a comment made about schedule of events. We want

4509
05:14:43,493 --> 05:14:47,573
to leave that one. Can we now vote on this

4510
05:14:47,573 --> 05:14:51,436
part of the motion as amended? Call the question. All

4511
05:14:51,436 --> 05:14:56,997
in favor and opposed? Motion carries. We still don't. One

4512
05:14:56,997 --> 05:15:03,504
item with regards to this application. Council family. It was

4513
05:15:03,504 --> 05:15:09,664
the road shoulder edition. Mr. Mayor, I would like to

4514
05:15:09,664 --> 05:15:12,624
move to not require the road widening on Lakes Road.

4515
05:15:14,093 --> 05:15:16,333
So some moved. Is there a seconder? Second by councilor

4516
05:15:16,333 --> 05:15:21,106
Manhas any discussion? Are we ready to call the question?

4517
05:15:23,042 --> 05:15:29,031
So, all in favor? To resend that requirement. And oppose.

4518
05:15:31,894 --> 05:15:34,494
The motion, sir. There's a bit of a leg. Okay,

4519
05:15:34,494 --> 05:15:40,012
so I think, councilor. Can you clarify, councilor Calio, because

4520
05:15:40,012 --> 05:15:41,732
there's a bit of a lag on. Your camera. Were

4521
05:15:41,732 --> 05:15:49,274
you voting in favor or against? The motion from councilor

4522
05:15:49,274 --> 05:15:53,320
family to remove the requirement for the shoulder. I was

4523
05:15:53,320 --> 05:15:58,965
voting for the removal. Okay, so it passes with the

4524
05:15:58,965 --> 05:16:06,316
mayor, councilor stash and councilor justice opposed. That concludes our

4525
05:16:06,316 --> 05:16:11,874
business. I'll clear this meeting. Adjourned. No, wait. This meeting,

4526
05:16:11,874 --> 05:16:17,925
then we'll start, they'll resume the other meeting. This meeting

4527
05:16:17,925 --> 05:16:21,365
is now adjourned. We're going to resume our regular council

4528
05:16:21,365 --> 05:16:23,405
meeting if anyone wants to stay and observe that.

4529
05:16:31,646 --> 05:16:39,062
Sure you want to. Just refer it all.