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All right. All right. I'd like to call the order this meeting of the Imvergrove Heights Parks and Recreation

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Advisory Commission for Wednesday, September 10. Welcome everyone. We'll begin with roll call. If you're here, please

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Louisa Tores, Sandy Crichtonson, Abby Heidmick is ill and excused. Luke Johnson, you just made it.

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He's here. Bill Skar, here. And Tracy McCullier, McKay, is on a trip. So that rounds off the group.

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First order, tonight of business, will be a presentation by L. Van De Huff, who is our

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recreation coordinator.

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It's going to be talking about active older adult programming.

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Welcome, L.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We probably would have been part of the ISD-1929, going to be a committee.

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I'd like to start with one fact.

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It won't last here.

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It won't apply to those people on the participating

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in our actual little programs, connecting them to activities,

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or in friendships and educational experiences.

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But here's something about what one single class,

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a social event, and how to truly write someone's day

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or even change the way they approach it up from the seat.

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And I had this year on the fly today because British day there was a lady that I could see

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I forgot a piece or sit on the table and I see her in a parking lot search and do her first try to find a piece

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I could see her shed a car, I could bring out their daily piece, thank me, but then there was this older gentleman that

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He's been kind of bridge quite a bit and he's very competitive

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I think years and years ago, I've heard rumors he's been kicked out of several other places

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because his competitive nature and other places that they played bridge

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We've kind of got him calm down, but as I was coming back in, he catches me, he's like, hey, I had this hand

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because he's had really bad weeks here lately. And had this hand, he goes, it was past past past past past, comes to me and goes, I had to do clubs.

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He goes and luckily enough my partner matched what I had. I had a really great day and he goes out the door just a smile in a way.

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And it just kind of, one of those things that he makes to think, you know, yeah, what we're doing makes an impact and it's great to see that,

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even though he probably struggled the five or so years ago when he first started playing

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Brids there. So that being said kind of segue into kind of our season, if you

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will, that's starting this fall with kind of our active aging week that we do every year.

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That's kind of a national active aging week that this year's October 6th through 10th.

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New we've kind of been doing different themes every year around that week, so we're doing slow

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down and shine mindful living as kind of the theme for this year. So we're offering

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is a craft project with Sponsor by Alina.

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Etna, she's been doing that for a couple of years with us.

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Landmark tours, they highlight what they have to offer both nationally and internationally.

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They do great trips with, you know, the bell all the bells and whistles

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and have a chapter on that goes with them.

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And pretty much top-notch travel experience with them.

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We're doing Wisdom and Wellness with a soundbath experience.

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We're calming, we're a story of soundbath,

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It's about relaxation and mental clarity.

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Wednesday, we kind of set aside for our fitness programs.

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So mindful movement is what we've called that.

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So all of our fitness classes are kind of being highlighted on that Wednesday.

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Thursday, we're doing what's called moments that matter.

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And this is kind of something new that I'm excited about.

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Hopefully, we get off the ground here this winter.

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It's dementia-friendly activities and caregiver supports.

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We've got a panel with a Colleen French.

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she actually is an ex-invergrove resident.

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She's rubbed here back in the day,

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and she's excited to hopefully get this up and go on.

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She's from dementia friends, our partners of Darts.

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And then we also have someone from Serenity Homecare

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that outside of doing things the older adults with Homecare,

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personally, effects her because her husband

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has dementia.

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So we're working to create some dementia-friendly activities

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as winter and spring.

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Also, at the same time, having some caregiver support

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that Darts can kind of help out with that as well.

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So we'll have some information about that on that Thursday and then we're going to end

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a week with some of a bingo celebration outside of that, just kind of highlighting some

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enrichment in our education classes.

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We try to mix it up all throughout the year.

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I don't like to continue having the same thing, so we like to kind of mix it up every year

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and offer different educational classes throughout the year.

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So, highlighting some of the ones we've done over the last years, making the most of, like, Medicare plan and how to navigate through that, who will inherit the mess, this kind of how you can do practical state planning on the road to safer driving.

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We did a pretty cool collaboration with Dakota County Library. I was kind of fun to part of their anniversary celebration earlier of spring. We kind of highlighted some of those things that we did with them. We did how to use library apps, engage with them with some creativity with,

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was they are project and also a paper bag luminaries.

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Linedancing contents would be very popular.

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So what we've done new with that is we've had kind of the same poor group of people.

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But we've growing from there and we're getting new people.

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So we've split up and added an advanced beginner and now having a beginner class

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because we're kind of growing that program as well.

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So it's because we've been, what is that?

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Linedancing?

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Oh, a line dancing.

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But you see people do that?

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waiting dances and whatnot.

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So, then health and wellness sessions, you know, we're receiving, we did a hearing

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assessment, keep losing my keys, was another one just kind of knowing a difference between

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what's normal, memory loss and what actually is the signs of maybe dementia and Alzheimer's

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and that just kind of highlight some of the enrichment classes we've done over the year.

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Another big thing we do annually is our healthy living fair, that's always the third Wednesday

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of April, which was April 16th this last year or currently this year is 2025, but we had 37

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vendors, which is just five more we had last year. We estimated about 170 participants that

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came through there. In addition to the vendor fair, we also do breakout sessions in the

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communities. And we kind of strategically staggered in a little bit better this year to where they

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don't overlap and run congruently so someone could actually go to all of the sessions. But highlight

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some of those that we had, some great attendance at this year is just gut health hormone balance,

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meditation, and sound healing, healthy eating, we did internally with one of our fitness

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staff, another one that's always really popular that we love having is gardening tips with Marsha.

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She's actually a local master gardener who also has been a longtime render out at our community

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garden sale held. So she does a fabulous job, it's always very popular, and then you're

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of the awareness we had that day, and that's also a wonderful collaboration that myself and

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the fitness team work to put together. So our senior club, they're still holding on. They

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got a hundred members and probably close to 20 of them over 90 years old, which is pretty

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phenomenal. They continue to do their monthly lunchons. They average about 48 to 50 people.

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highest participation is usually the summer months, but this last year was December

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holiday luncheon. They continue to have interest with sponsors that come in just

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a table there and just give them information and some of them are outside of just

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providing them information to kind of take it and run with it and decide it to

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help MC the bingo when they do that and they've stayed to help serve when there

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are the lunches and help clean up and whatnot and a couple of them actually just

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donated, then provided a dessert for them as well.

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So that's been working out very well.

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Actually, one of the people that helped out with the Bingo

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calling, we had a couple of the school board members that

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came and really wanted to call it Bingo for them too,

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which they thought was pretty cool.

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Another thing we've done with them

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is doing some off-site lunchons that we started last year

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over at the New Fire Hall, which we tried to carry out

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in this year at Highlight and showcase our new self-belly shelter but unfortunately the weather

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didn't cooperate it was a rainy day and we had to head at him or grill master Brian

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could make his on vacation we had Joe that helped grill out and we still made the best of it

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and they kind of highlighted showcase some of the stuff that we got new with the park systems

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and some of that stuff that's going on in our park department so unfortunately we could showcase

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And hopefully we'll maybe try to do that again next summer, but they really do like kind of doing something a little bit different outside of their norm.

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They also kind of help with the card games, the weekly card games and being there kind of host and get set up and make coffee and stuff like that.

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So if those continue to go five days a week, one of our newer ones hand and foot that's on Fridays, that's actually the one most of the tenants is stayed pretty normal.

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that one actually has grown over this last year, so it's kind of fun to see that one doing

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well, one of our newer card games that we've offered. So kind of to tie back to some of the

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interdepartmental things we do, I always like to try to help for have some of the other departments

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work with us, so we did coffee with the cop this fall and then moving forward this winter actually

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had a realtor reach out to me. That's wants to do a series of educational things, but one of the

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she's going to work with is a pleased department again in doing um

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Stamps, I don't think you can offer that enough because it's ever changing and they're always trying to, unfortunately, take advantage of our seniors and all real adults.

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Also, the fire department always comes the first luncheon in January to the senior club and kind of talks to them about being safe in your home, fire safety, things like that, just kind of more of a casual safety type message that they like to give and and we do that in their January luncheon.

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Talk to Mark and our IT department over summer picnic and I hoping to convince him to do again another little IT session and kind of helping seniors with being comfortable with iPads and smart phones and technology and whatnot

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So hope and maybe get that either this spring or maybe the summer again because it's been a few years since we offered that so

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So, some new programs, fall fast was last year the first time we offered, we had a great success with that, so we're excited to be offering that again this year, and that's a collaborative with St. Paul Farmer's Mark, and it's out there every Sunday throughout the spring summer fall, if you will, to the end of October, and then also with the School District that collaborates on that. So, great community event, and perhaps be a wonderful day for residents to have some fall fun.

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IST-2099 partnership, as I mentioned with that, we added with the senior club luncheon, the

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high school choir came and sang at their December luncheon, and it was fabulous.

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They had a great time, and unanimously voted to have them come back.

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So we're excited to have them come back in this December.

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Also have a new director with the communication department, Chad.

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And when I met with him, we first started, we kind of brainstormed a little bit, some new ideas

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and different things we might try, but until he gets his feet wet, till the school's, your

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starts, gets up and going, we're probably looking to do some things late, spring or summer,

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kind of based on what we've loosely brainstormed and I first initially met him.

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With the line dancing, that instructor also approached me about wanting to do kind of a larger event to kind of promote to line dancing, so we'll be looking to do that here later this fall.

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She kind of helped out with someone a friend or hers that did a large amount like that down at the Harriet Island somewhere down at St. Paul.

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It was like a huge event. I think we've done something similar.

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It's like fitness with like a big zoom in class like that in the gym, so she's wanting to do something to that extent to kind of help promote our line dancing.

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Pickable, we added a ladder lead this year, so unlike just pairing up the doubles, that's

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pretty standard.

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Now with Pickable, where you go off the points, it's not wins and losses.

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So kind of the point is, where you basically are playing the same level of people every week,

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and you kind of move up and down the standings or the ladder, if you will, based on how many points.

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You could actually have a losing record, but if you're two losses, you got 14 out of the 15 points,

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you still got quite a few points. So the wind loss doesn't always really correlate to how good

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you are in the standing. So that went fabulous and they bugged me to open up another one to

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do in the fall. So we're going to take advantage of lights over at Skyby Park and have just a

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small little quick fallie that we're going to do over at Skyby. So they're ready to fire me to get

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registered for that. Also with that with the pickle ball that continues to be very popular,

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open and drop in that we do in the winter spring over at the community center and then our

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bronzy league that we kept the same actually increased from 12 to 16 teams year.

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So that continues to be very, very popular.

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So in addition to that, kind of some other programs just to highlight before I end here.

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RTS Thompson Park in the Grove South St. Paul day trips continue to be very popular,

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including the overnight extended day ones.

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When I kind of wanted to highlight, it was kind of cool.

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We had a mobster trip down to Minneapolis to kind of talk about the old Prohibition Days

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and the lady dressed up in Prohibition Eric Garvin, she narrated the whole thing and we ironically

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had a participant that was an author that had like relatives or ties, kind of to that era

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and kind of helped with the narration, a whole thing and there was just some great, great

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discussion and everybody just had a blast with that whole trip, but they are still very popular.

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sleeping mats for the homeless, every other Tuesday, they make the sleeping mats for them and

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it's been over 400 mats that they've made and they get about 40 people that come every

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other Tuesday, which is great. Driver safety class again, they kind of revamped and change

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how they do things and their numbers have been pretty good and you don't have to do the initial

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eight hour class, they like just to have only do four hours to get their 10% discount. So those

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classes are also doing very well and then we have the happy feet foot care that they're twice

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month as well. So what clubs do? Continue to have deep.

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Police in attendance, and what was kind of cool last Tuesday? A couple of days ago, I actually had

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steal a bunch of chairs from the meeting room two in a legion room because they had a huge crowd.

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And I had to throw in another table in there. So it's kind of cool to see that fiction book

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club growing and having to throw in some more chairs into the legion room for them for their club

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to meet. So kind of talk a little bit too about maybe trying to open it up instead of just 55

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class maybe making it just for adults, because I know there's, you know,

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19 to 50 somethings that also like reading and being in those book clubs, I don't know if

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the daytime will prevent them from that, but we might look at opening up the ages for that as

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well. So, you know, I kind of threw a lot out there. That's kind of a quick snapshot of some

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of the things we've been up to at the senior center. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you

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would have. Are there any opportunities for teams or middle school students to interact with

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in your community in terms of, you know, over weekends or volunteer opportunities?

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That's actually one of the things that Chad and I kind of briefly touched on.

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I was wanting to do kind of some more of that intergenerational stuff and how we can make some of that work.

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But we did kind of briefly touch on that.

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But again, our initial discussion, there was this kind of brief, you know, he had just got started

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and we just kind of brain stormed and it was kind of an introductory meeting.

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But once a school year starts, you know, on speed,

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we'll get into some more discussions about newer programming

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and things like that.

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So that's a great idea.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Good question.

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We've got a lot going on now.

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Yeah.

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How about all of that?

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I'm dizzy just hearing it all.

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I don't know.

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You keep it all going.

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Would you say that you have kind of a core group,

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but it kind of does a lot of the different activities.

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You have, do you pull in a lot of different people

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depending on it?

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I would say a core UC regularly, but to that point, like, bridge two weeks ago, it was bursting

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at the scenes.

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And the new people I saw, I mean, bridges probably by far are most attended card game.

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But what I saw was interesting, it was that people were bringing friends, but I also saw

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a handful of people.

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I think it was a table worth of people that I normally see that come on those every other

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Tuesdays for the math and they can go.

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So you know they're seeing it or talking to friends or see friends and I saw some people that are coming there for something else that are now coming for bridge

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So by and large it's quite a few of the same people that are doing a lot of the same things, but you know there's certain ones that are only there on one day a week

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And there's others that are there three to five days a week so

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In our good mix are there I'm excuse me are there ways that things are publicized the group the things that you're doing other than through the

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publication here at there and as in the outside advertising or yes we also

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advertise to the type, try district brochure. It's a try district

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collaborative with Invergrove South St. Paul. So it gets out to all three of

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those communities. Those brochures pretty much coincide with when ours come out

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it's a little bit different about a week or so apart but for the most part

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they're brochures come out the same time that ours do. That's okay. Great other

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questions. So the sleeping mats are those from the plastic bags? Yes. Do you ever need plastic bags?

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I hasn't totally say yes because I don't want to resoundly say yes and have my office full of them as

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if you could continually drop them off.

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So yes, they will accept bags, but they certainly

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have enough just by word of mouth.

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Then advertising, if you want to slip

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some over in my office, I'll gladly give them

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to them on Tuesdays, every other Tuesday.

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But other questions?

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No, I appreciate all you're doing, I feel like that's

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a community that definitely needs attention.

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and we should all be caring for and utilizing for sure.

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So, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good luck for the programming.

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Thank you very much.

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Thanks.

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All right.

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Moving into announcements, we have the annual Commissioner

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Appreciation Derrick coming up Tuesday, September 23rd.

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So be sure and mark that on your calendar.

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The council really appreciates being able to recognize those of us that have

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volunteer to be on these commissions and be sure in RSVP and I haven't done it yet myself but I

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noticed the card asks for that. So be sure and do that so that it knows you're coming. It'll

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be a self-value park shelter from 5 to 8 p.m. on the 23rd. October meeting will be Wednesday the

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at 7 p.m., and November we're going to have a work session on Wednesday the 12th.

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At 5 p.m. in sort of a surprise agenda at this point. Did you want to say anything more about that, Adam?

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No, I'll be in the presentation. You'll be key. Okay, we come out. Great.

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All right, so the next item is the consent agenda. All items are considered routine have been made available to all of us.

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At least two days prior to the meeting, items will be enacted then in one motion. There's two items.

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No separate discussion unless commission member is citizens to request in which event the item will be removed from the agenda and considered a normal sequence.

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So the two items are the approval of tonight's agenda and the approval of the minutes from August 13th meeting.

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So I'd entertain a motion to accept those two items.

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So moved. Second. Second, Sandy.

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All right, move to seconded to accept the two items on the consent agenda, all in favor,

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taken by by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Okay, that passes.

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Now, we come to public comment.

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We have a couple visitors here.

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I don't know if you're going to be part of this, but we provide an opportunity for the public

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to address the commission.

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I don't know if it's not an agenda.

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I've generally lived at three minutes, although we're a little bit loose on that.

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So welcome.

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Would you introduce yourself, please?

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Sure.

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address Bob Murray, 6852, Bolvian Trail, Adam Urban, 6881, Bolvian Trail.

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Thanks for having us back appreciate it. We were here a while ago and asked a couple

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of things and you came through on a couple of things and appreciate that. We had a dumpster

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that was kind of on site. Well, it was on site again. You graciously enough put a fence

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around it, got that out of view, and that was great.

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So thank you.

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Second thing we have is the outhouse.

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We thought the outhouse was going to be behind a fence

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or a barrier too, and that didn't happen.

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And then talk with that and earlier on for the meeting

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because we didn't want to point side

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of it, so we told them we're going to talk about it.

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But we're wondering if you folks could maybe help us

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put a barrier around the outhouse.

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It's pretty unsightly.

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it's facing the street, the door is open all the time, and one of my neighbors, I'm on the board,

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and we drew the shark's shroud, that's why we're here tonight. But what am I making neighbor

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sent a picture of his living room window on his house? Can I do modify a approach and show you the

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turn? And where is the where are we talking?

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I don't know, it's more fairly wrong. Okay, yeah. Okay, it's directly in front of the pickle ballcarts.

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So Bob, in our name of Remiche, got a direct line to it, and then in six months we'll have a new neighbor that will also have be staring directly out of this well.

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get that in a free day.

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You know, this is a toilet paper on the floor and stuff in there.

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Which is high enough stuff in there.

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And I think the goal would be nothing extravagant.

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I know we were talking, you know, financials on what a structure would look like.

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But just something to kind of mask it a little bit.

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Like a fence with some type of cover around it.

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I mean, yeah, I know that the one that, I think he said,

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North Valley Park was right.

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Rich Valley Park.

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I was a bit expensive.

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Nothing.

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I don't think anything to that extent.

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But one thing, just what's your total park budget?

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And you're regarding everything, you're operating budget salaries and everything, is it the

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millions of dollars or so?

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It's in the area of $2,000, $2,000, $2,000, so if you guys could be kind enough to maybe

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find 8 or 9,000 somewhere in slush out of that 2,000, maybe it could help us not have to look

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at the toilet and the stuff that's associated with that every day, because we try to be good

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neighbors, and I know you guys are when you put the fence around there, but how would you like to look

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out your door every day and see an open-out house store? So I'll be asking, is if you could kindly

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do that and find maybe eight grand out of a $2.2 million budget, we'd really appreciate that.

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I guess this would be something for the staff at terms of response.

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Yeah, commissioners, public government covers, it's typically as much as we need to make a

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journal that's saving them over a bunch of $2 million, that's all itemized down to roughly

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the dollar.

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So, I don't want to see if there's a slosh, but there's just a variety of little money

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just saving them all, because I think there's a misrepresentation of how we offer them.

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No, I get it.

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So, that's one thing I would say to the commission, and secondly, if we look at planning,

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We have auto strutter type purchase that I think a lot of neighbors and on-goers would like to see some capability of resolution to the same thing.

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So, not all to find that types. Let's see how many out part of this we have neighborhood parks.

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There we go.

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So, when you look at that.

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And then we look at other neighborhoods and I get the isolate, just as particular one. Do you do that?

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Time's 30, that $8,000, $9,000, doesn't look like $8,000, $8,000. So it's something we definitely didn't consideration.

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I think when we did with the current fancy, can you recall what we did with that fancy, how much that was for the park?

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For the dumpster closure?

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With the concrete and fencing, I think it was 50,000.

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So it's not that we don't, or can't, I think we have a little bit of a current budget in any additional carriers.

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that we want to look at in the future.

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This is a particular part that doesn't have plump in

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a restual location facility.

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So at this point in time, that is a current location

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that we have available.

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We can look at doing other locations

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if we're on it or maybe I don't know.

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I don't think you're ever in the tree of high end.

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High end, high end, if you will, are relocated.

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Unless you're a full of closure.

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What you're getting comes at a cost.

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Because you can't just really fence fit partially.

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You have to do it about three quarters away.

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I mean, if you ever change you have to build an Elf for an ADA accessible one, so the footprint of the actual concrete and the fence is around it.

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And again, we look at don't maintenance spending, because if you do it, it's at the risk of having a certain fire, which happened out in the majority of this weekend.

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And that's why we're going to spend another 12 to 13,000 dollars.

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So, it's something we can definitely take in consideration.

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I would be remiss if I wanted to do it from that location, because that's only a restroom available for those pick-and-law owners, which is having utilized.

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So, again, we can look and assess the space and if we can see it's a bioboxymnesia,

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we'll definitely try to do it.

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Again, I failed to set a precedent for every, you know,

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30-some restrooms within a part system that we had at some level of disclosure.

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Then I had one more question.

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I think the dumpster that was, here's just another solution.

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I'm going to just throw this out here and we're discussion are just food for thought.

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But the dumpster originally was at South Valley Park before the remodel and then it was

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moved up to North Valley Park in its current location and there's no housing around South

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Valley Park or maybe you can move the dumpster there or some other location by the city

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shop because I do know that trash from other parks are coming there and it's getting transferred

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and then the waist collar is picking it up and the fence is great.

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That's helped out a lot.

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But here's just another low-cost option.

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Maybe you could move the dumpster and then put the outhouse,

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the handicapped accessible outhouse there.

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Put a nice little fence in, the grades there, the floors there,

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and they can just walk in.

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So that would just be another solution for you to consider also.

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Thank you very much.

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And if you're satisfied with this, the staff has heard you and they'll take this in a consideration

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in terms of future planning.

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Appreciate you coming.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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Thanks for the fence around the dumpster.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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Take care.

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All right.

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Take care.

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Thank you.

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Oh, kiddoke.

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We're going to move on then to unfinished business, no items are coming back from a previous

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meeting for us to be addressing, but we will move on to the regular agenda and Adam has

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both of these items.

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The first time I'm going to do with getting back to talking again about the Angel of

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Holtman Memorial, we had a work session regarding this.

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I visited the site in Woodbury and we've got an information, Adam's got an information

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about others, and so we're here to see where we go forward with it.

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Okay, good evening.

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Commissioned at a modest parking recreation director.

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This evening, as Commissioner Cook had indicated,

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I will be presenting.

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What just happened?

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On yourself.

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No.

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There we go.

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There you go.

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I'll be presenting on the proposed angel of home immoral.

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Somewhere within a park system.

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I saw a little background.

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A lot of this is being pulled from our work session that we had back in July.

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So we'll get a little bit of detail but feel free at any point as questions.

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So this evening in front of you, request is for the crack to write a recommendation to

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the city council and whether to support the installation of Angel Hope Memorial Site within

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our city's park system.

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If that is something that this body would like to do, then the commission has also requested

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to present a recommendation on the

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investment of location, the general scope,

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and design of the memorial space,

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and then a potential funding approach that we

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this body would like to recommend to the council.

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So just a little background.

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At the May 2025 Precorrect Advisory Commission meeting,

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we had a resident proposed a memorial to be incorporated.

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Within our parks system and given a little bit of a background of why they felt like it was valuable for our system in this neighborhood, in this community.

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After that, as a result of that, the practice of staff to coordinate a work session and do a little homework and research on some other communities within our state, that may have this same memorial, so that has since happened.

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So on July 30th, as I did in the earlier, we did have a schedule of work session specifically on this item to go into a little bit more detail.

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on how one may come to have a Angel Hope Memorial Site within our community.

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So, what you may ask is Angel Hope for some of you who may not have been at the work session

435
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,200
or for those that are watching, it is actually based off and inspired by the Angel Hope book.

436
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:48,840
It's actually the Christmas box.

437
00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:56,260
So that is Angel Hope and it really tells that fictional story of a family or a wife and

438
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:59,720
morning, upper child at the base of an angel mind in that.

439
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,280
So a lot of this ties as to a larger network throughout the country, which you'll see

440
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,160
that this network is really for not just the United States.

441
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,360
We have a couple of different ones in different countries, but over the United States, there's

442
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:19,240
about 120 locations that have an angel full the more that recognize the loss of not just

443
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,540
children as you think of young children and it's just a child in general.

444
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,460
So, the first one is in Salt Lake City, and that's more of the kind of the basis for this

445
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:29,220
I'll start it.

446
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,640
So, you may ask, well, can we just do any Angel?

447
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:37,420
Yeah, sure we could, but the way this operates and functions to some degree, what was requested

448
00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:40,760
of the resident was to be part of this kind of network of Angel folks.

449
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:47,980
So it's recognized as a space for you to come and pay respects in that regard.

450
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:59,280
So, the Angelful Statue itself is roughly about 4 feet high, has wingspan about 5 feet and the diameter of the base is about 22 inches.

451
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240
So, again, these are all the same angel.

452
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,840
So, all 120 of them are this exact angel.

453
00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:10,900
That creates them a part of the network, which is ultimately a part of the Christmas box,

454
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:20,180
book and philosophy. It's made about a half-inch thick bronze. It's mostly hollow by the

455
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:24,100
feet. There are some metal gourmets on the bottom of the angel and it could be

456
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:30,420
scared to secure your pedestal. So again, it's best to be used with stainless steel

457
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:35,160
rebar attached in that to the base so that it's secure. So as we do a little bit

458
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,420
more of the, as I did a little bit more of the research, we'll show some examples

459
00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:40,160
is what this looks like in some neighboring communities.

460
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:44,040
So as it currently stands, as you look at the website,

461
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,340
this particular angel is roughly about $18,000.

462
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:51,820
That's just shipping handling, the actual angel itself,

463
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:53,820
shipped to our community.

464
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,080
This cost is not included any type of base.

465
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Landscaping, design, anything to that effect.

466
00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:04,140
It's strictly just for the angel, OK?

467
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:07,560
What they show on their website, they're roughly

468
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,160
to spend an hour and make you want to get anywhere from $3 to $6,000 for a base.

469
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:15,300
So try to think about that and corporate it in the press as well.

470
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,200
That's just for it.

471
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,120
Literate a stand-up in one spot, okay?

472
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:23,720
So some of the locations that are throughout the state that looks like there's we about

473
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:28,860
10 city municipal public open spaces that incorporate the angelful.

474
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,040
As you have seen in front of you, those are the 10.

475
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,380
The three that we did a little bit more homework on and investigation was the city of

476
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,140
would bury in Maple Grove.

477
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:41,500
So I'll get a little bit more of the details on how

478
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:42,940
came to be for them as well.

479
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,140
So as you think about those three cities,

480
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,040
through partnership is really all I came about.

481
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Very similar to what this process could look like.

482
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,980
Residents or group of people came to the city approach

483
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:59,420
to them and say, hey, we'd really like to see this

484
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,360
monument more or else somewhere within our community.

485
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,220
Would you be willing to be the host site

486
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,020
or allow this to be a part of your public up in space

487
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:09,260
or public park.

488
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,880
These, in many cases, between the three cities,

489
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,700
the Lutheran-Pograub and Woodbury,

490
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,920
some level of fundraising and non-profit was created.

491
00:34:19,420 --> 00:34:21,980
In order to get, if you will, the seed capital money

492
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:25,220
to get the angel statue, the base,

493
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:29,500
and some level of site construction.

494
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,780
And I'll go through each kind of what each of these cities

495
00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:33,380
went through.

496
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:42,820
Another thing to make sure they kind of think about a consider that part of the Christmas box story and the statute itself,

497
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:53,040
the monument must have some indication that on December 6th at 7 p.m. is a public gathering space to kind of honor those that have been lost.

498
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,960
So that needs some degree, not necessarily fully incorporated in the placard, but it needs to be represented some way.

499
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:16,020
And what I will say is most people that know the angel hope and they know where to find the website, we'd be listed on the kind of registry of all 120. So there'd be a level of an expectation that we kind of want to think about being able to how those people that want to come together, that's for civic day.

500
00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:22,220
Now they can come 365, but on December 6th at 7 p.m., it is definitely meant to be a gathering in space.

501
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:30,770
So if we were to go down this avenue, and again, we're not talking about funding yet, to order it itself,

502
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:33,930
We have to go through Richard Paul Evans, Inc.

503
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:37,190
That is the author of the Christmas box book,

504
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:39,170
again, to be a part of this broader network.

505
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:42,330
And we can really kind of say within the placard.

506
00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:45,850
Whatever we want, though we must include this phrase.

507
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:48,870
This is the Christmas box angel statue.

508
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:53,230
It's from the Richard, well, I'm sorry, my apologies.

509
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:55,150
This is where you actually have to order from.

510
00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:57,430
The actual inscription will be coming soon.

511
00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:07,490
But before we can order any type of forward-to-be place, it must be 50% cost down, down payment.

512
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:11,570
And then the balance would be fully done when it's done through the forward-to-foundary,

513
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:13,030
and that's their main balance.

514
00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:17,450
Thanks for roughly about three months, and that's dependent on the boundary workload.

515
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,340
So I'll get back to the inscription chart.

516
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,280
So in Duluth, these are some images from the kind of the space,

517
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,580
Memorial site of what Duluth currently has.

518
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,220
I could say this is kind of based on my discussions with the director of Parks and Recreation in Duluth.

519
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:36,420
This is not their original space.

520
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:38,780
Things have been updated, things have been improved over time,

521
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:41,140
but this is what a currently looks like.

522
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:44,440
As you'll see, let me see if I can highlight this.

523
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:51,520
These bricks, these are the memorial bricks.

524
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,220
So these are what individuals will pay to do a memorial brick or a donation brick,

525
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:58,820
And then they can get their subscription.

526
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,240
There are guidelines of what can be put on there,

527
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:02,860
if you will, from a length perspective.

528
00:37:03,340 --> 00:37:05,540
But usually they're in memory of.

529
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:11,000
I'm sure it's for the memory of bricks or any other type

530
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,380
that other cities use.

531
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Zerwick Barman that you must be a resident of that city

532
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,360
to get your brick in this case, or not really, or we don't know.

533
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Based on my research, no.

534
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:24,760
I think anybody could, to secure a brick,

535
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,220
they just have to pay the fee.

536
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,480
So, as you look at these,

537
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,980
these are ones that are brick on the ground

538
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:35,740
and as you'll see going back to the,

539
00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:38,780
they surround the actual statue themselves.

540
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,020
And then they're seating around this location.

541
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,300
So this particular, the moral location site,

542
00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:47,640
it is definitely off the beat of path if you will,

543
00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:49,720
but it is not too far off the boardwalk.

544
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:51,780
So you have to be intentional to go there.

545
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,200
It's not kind of right there upfront and personal,

546
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,680
but you can find it within their system.

547
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,860
And did you see that wasn't the original placement or that they have built around it?

548
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:10,320
So they've to sub-degree operating capital costs have upgraded landscaping and things around it, but it's original location.

549
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,780
But they've added additional landscaping, a lot of rehab on the bricks and we'll get a little bit further into that as well.

550
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:24,440
So it's always making sure that it looks nice and functional and things as time goes on, great changes, winters happen.

551
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,020
So you have to do some upgrades and then reinforcements of things.

552
00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:44,900
Well, I don't want to jump ahead if you're going to recommend places as opposed to us coming up with places but it just made me think that maybe that's something to think about that it could establish a place that we eventually add to as time goes on or whatever so.

553
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:52,460
So this is, it's actually a leaf airs in park in Duluth and this issue is probably funded up front.

554
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,880
What it looks like is in today's dollars if you will.

555
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,620
This is a little bit of an exclamation.

556
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,920
If you will back then when they built it, I was run 25 to 35,000.

557
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:07,360
But now if you look at that same type of gray change in landscape being,

558
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,500
stopping electrical and water and utility, you're looking at anywhere from 75 to 100,000 dollars.

559
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,240
That's an estimation.

560
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,340
So the city's contribution was in kind to land on nation, if you will.

561
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:19,360
It's public and open.

562
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,580
So the city actually owns it.

563
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:23,400
And then there's annual maintenance to this.

564
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,380
It doesn't just kind of take care itself once you build in.

565
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,780
It just, no maintenance.

566
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,220
So they anticipate and given that because it's brick.

567
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,620
At any time that, you know, brick materials over the winter,

568
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,460
they have to do replacement.

569
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,580
So we'll get a little bit more into why we probably not recommend that

570
00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:40,360
if you win this direction.

571
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,680
And then it's always me out of it.

572
00:39:42,860 --> 00:39:48,240
And if there are changes made like you meant there were some upgrading of the site known

573
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:56,960
to Luth, once the city is accepted at this then is on the city as to bear the cost of that.

574
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,760
Is that right?

575
00:39:57,860 --> 00:39:58,340
Correct.

576
00:39:58,580 --> 00:39:59,960
If we look at it, it depends on how long it will take to the city, and it will take to the city.

577
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,000
We want to structure this if you will. If the city wants to fully pay all the costs, and in

578
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,460
ever way, it is ours anyway. We would have to manage that operating in capital. If we receive

579
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:18,680
a donation for a memorial or a monument or statue, we would follow our policy, which would then

580
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,780
again really come back to this body again to accept a donation. But we haven't gotten to that point yet,

581
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,660
where we know how this is going to be funded. So yes, more than likely, either we have a non-profit

582
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:42,880
group, let's see the form later, it comes through and says, you know, we would like to donate this and then it stops there or do we look at doing a amendment of a understanding or a letter of agreement saying here's what we're responsible here's what you're responsible for.

583
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:55,040
So that's what the city of Woodbury did and I'll kind of go a little bit further into that. So right now the city of Duluth fully operates this this entire space and it's there in the owner.

584
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:03,740
So the memorial bricks, which we're laid again surrounding the actual static self, only twice a year can you purchase that?

585
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:11,780
So it's not ongoing, because then there's a certain time they place the bricks in, rehab any old bricks, so instead of it, it's really cumbersome.

586
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,480
So it's the only do it twice a year and right now it's $85 a brick.

587
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:22,860
So if you want to the city of the loose website, you can find this information, click on it, and you'll hope I'd like to do a brick,

588
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:25,460
And then it kind of walks you through application form,

589
00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:28,340
if you will, or request form, and then they tell you

590
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:32,460
what the cost is, how much work that you could put on it

591
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:33,420
and things like that.

592
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,980
So this is some photos of Woodbury, a little bit more,

593
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:40,600
I would say robust, if you will.

594
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,580
If you look at all the amount of state concrete,

595
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160
and benching, and landscaping, again,

596
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:48,560
this is one that's recently completed,

597
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,300
I think, back in 22 or 23.

598
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,680
So again, very similar statue are the exact same statue.

599
00:41:55,460 --> 00:42:02,500
But this is actually at their city hall campus and Memorial Park, which is adjacent to the city hall itself.

600
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,580
So they were approached by a group of individuals, which then created a woodberry foundation.

601
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:16,020
And then essentially raised roughly two quarter of a million dollars for this particular site location.

602
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:19,080
So again, pretty robust, pretty elaborate.

603
00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:27,080
Again, this includes stopping in utility, electric water.

604
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:29,920
So those weren't originally there.

605
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,820
So again, you can illuminate it at night,

606
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,940
and you can water all the plants in surrounding it.

607
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,900
So those are things that they be considered

608
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,320
as you think about location.

609
00:42:40,270 --> 00:42:42,870
Again, in the city's contribution, it's within the park.

610
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:44,690
And then speaking of the director,

611
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:47,710
we're looking at roughly about a $5,000 annual maintenance.

612
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:51,570
So as you'll see in this particular shot,

613
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,590
so instead of bricks that they have laid

614
00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:56,850
like the city of Duluth did, they have placards.

615
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:59,510
So they have also built this out

616
00:42:59,510 --> 00:43:02,010
to have additional three or four placards available

617
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:04,230
if they need to insert those.

618
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:05,890
So from a maintenance perspective,

619
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:09,210
this would be what we would look at, recommend it.

620
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:11,970
We would not look at doing any level of bricks

621
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:14,450
in the ground, just given our Minnesota winters.

622
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:21,670
And a plaque is really easy to replace if it's damaged, it's just some degree, and then

623
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:23,030
yeah, we look at that type of a model.

624
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:27,930
And so if you look in this particular one, there's four back here, I think they've built it

625
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:31,370
out or they're going to have three additional on each side, if need it.

626
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:33,370
Let's hope they don't need it, but if need it.

627
00:43:33,610 --> 00:43:39,430
And do you know if the foundations are to decide on where it was placed and the landscaping

628
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:44,410
around it or is that done in conjunction with Park Board or with staff?

629
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:49,270
Yeah, so it's my understanding that kind of very simple this process.

630
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:51,670
They were engaged by several residents.

631
00:43:52,450 --> 00:43:55,450
And the residents said, hey, we want to come with some money to do this.

632
00:43:56,110 --> 00:43:58,630
And so what they ended up doing is they engaged the city.

633
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:59,310
They went through that.

634
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:01,990
I believe the commission and then they're constantly ultimately.

635
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:04,810
And ultimately, as the outcome of that,

636
00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:07,990
they came fully in hand with all the funding part.

637
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:14,930
Now the city through in kind to is my understanding also provided some internal data per planner that's

638
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:22,150
a part of these efforts more or less landscape architecture design to help you know create this space based on what the city

639
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:23,110
Probably

640
00:44:23,810 --> 00:44:30,690
Wanted along collaboration partnership with this group so that because we ultimately the city itself had a maintain it

641
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:33,210
So there was something kind to services is my understanding

642
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:36,190
But this are also resulted in an MOU.

643
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:42,050
So a memorandum of understanding with this particular nonprofit would be a community foundation.

644
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:49,130
So there actually is a clear definition of who's responsible for what went and where.

645
00:44:49,850 --> 00:44:54,070
So as you'll see on this one, the memorial plaques, the foundation manages that.

646
00:44:54,110 --> 00:44:55,450
We're in Duluth, the city's at.

647
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:59,970
So if you go to the MIPO, would be very...

648
00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:07,480
I'd like to do a plaque or a third-party website. If you do a Duluth, it goes through the city.

649
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,460
But again, when you think about traditional operating costs, it's time resources and materials.

650
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:23,180
So given this is near their city hall and it's kind of one of the premier locations, there's still doing a level snow removal.

651
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,120
So, that's another thing that we need to consider.

652
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:29,080
How accessible is this going to be a year-round or is it seasonal?

653
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:32,660
So, Commissioner Coach, could you do any kind of that you went to this?

654
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:35,260
Do you have any comments based on what you see in that this location?

655
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,820
Well, just that, you know, there's this, there's an area of, if you face the city hall,

656
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,480
we off to the left of the city hall, where there's some land,

657
00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:50,240
and there's a better and some moral sight similar to kind of what we have.

658
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:56,740
So there's a path to that and then there's a path that goes around that so you can't actually see the

659
00:45:56,740 --> 00:46:02,680
Angelful site until you get around the path and that then it's set back to size so it's private

660
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,080
It's accessible and it's part of the

661
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,560
Memorial area that that's by the city hall, but it's not right next to the city hall

662
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,280
It's not across for men is to adjacent to it. So it's really a nice kind of layout that they have there

663
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:21,990
Thank you for that.

664
00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:27,010
So this is Maple Grove and this is adjacent to the Arborita.

665
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:31,430
So again, placement location does mean quite a bit.

666
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:35,710
So as you'll see, this is pretty elaborate landscape in design.

667
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:38,670
But I will say this in my next slide.

668
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:42,550
There's a substantial upgrade recently and back in 2017.

669
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:48,890
So they do also have the bricks, kind of see them, they're notated surrounding it.

670
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:55,550
I believe that some of the granite stones, so again, they put some money into this particular one.

671
00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:58,050
Is this the upgraded look that we're seeing?

672
00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:00,170
This is upgrade look.

673
00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:02,910
So again, it's near their arboretum.

674
00:47:03,830 --> 00:47:05,470
This is public and privately funded.

675
00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:14,110
So the expansion in 2017, because it's predated my contact over there, they believe it was

676
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:16,970
fully funded by a nonprofit group to begin with.

677
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:23,630
But in the expansion, in the upgrades in 2017, the city put in about $175,000.

678
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:27,490
And then the privately funded, you looked at another $75,000.

679
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:34,330
So again, the city contribution is not just land in this case,

680
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:37,910
but they're also as roughly about another $5,000 manual maintenance.

681
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:42,570
The more bricks, this is also managed by the city itself.

682
00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:47,070
And I forgot to mention all the city ones that do twice a year.

683
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:52,810
I don't recall what the other group did in Woodbury, but I believe there are twice a year as well.

684
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:56,690
They have a little bit more flexibility because they're on those stand-up placards,

685
00:47:57,150 --> 00:48:01,550
so it's a little bit easier to manage than it is with the actual bricks and laying in the ground.

686
00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:04,550
And they're about $125 a break.

687
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:12,550
And I believe the $203 for the placard, part of what this particular group does is

688
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:14,110
Well, these are fundraising efforts.

689
00:48:15,110 --> 00:48:17,290
So they help with a little bit of that capital off from the cost.

690
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:21,190
So that placard, again, I'm just making a social assumption here,

691
00:48:21,590 --> 00:48:26,290
that placard may cost a total of $25 to actually make.

692
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:29,330
But everything else will go towards capital investment,

693
00:48:29,530 --> 00:48:31,550
capital improvements, things like that.

694
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,980
So things to consider for this body is if we want to pursue

695
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:48,980
This particular proposal from this resident is funding up front capital cost and then the annual operating cost

696
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:52,400
Where is the money going to come from to this project?

697
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,980
How are we going to pay for it year in and year out?

698
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,980
As Commissioner Markard indicated, where is should the best location be?

699
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:04,020
Are you sure it's accessible?

700
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:08,040
Do we want to consider make sure there's a privacy, it's a inclusion?

701
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:14,800
Do we, you know, bear somewhere to the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and woodberry location,

702
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,280
you want to choose to be there versus it just be in the first thing that you see.

703
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,760
You have to make a calculated decision to go in that direction.

704
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:28,040
Do we want to, to make sure there's natural space and area around it.

705
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:35,720
And again, the design could be as simplistic or nate or elaborate or buses we'd like to see.

706
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:41,660
But again, that's part of what the discussion kind of went through as we thought about there in the work session.

707
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:51,920
And then here's where I meant there was a required plaque on the base on the Christmas box angel and that December 6 marks annual gathering for people who have lost a child.

708
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,760
So that is part of the requirement from the maker.

709
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,140
So it's nothing that we can really get away.

710
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,960
We can request some alteration.

711
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,940
In language, which I'll show in the actual maple grove and woodberry one, and also the positioning.

712
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,400
Kirkland was positioned at the back side.

713
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:19,480
So if you can tell, this is maple grove, you don't see that placard or the engraving correct,

714
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,860
and then we'll go to woodberry, you don't see it anywhere there.

715
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,600
I'm going to show you where they're actually at, and a couple slides here.

716
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:34,210
So, at the work session, we talked about several different locations, but these were the

717
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:40,730
three that we kind of landed on, of potential locations to consider for a potential final

718
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:43,410
resting spot for the statute, if we consider.

719
00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:47,890
Heritage is part being one, Salem Hills Park, and then River Heights Park.

720
00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:57,690
So, if we were to consider heritage, this is not an NLBL, we thought about a location.

721
00:50:57,690 --> 00:51:04,310
So this particular parking lot, it's all been redone, and now we have an expansion of the parking lot.

722
00:51:04,850 --> 00:51:10,830
So we have a parking lot that expanded this way, and then we have an additional trail connectivity that connects to this internal trail.

723
00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:18,050
Then if you're to go northbound on that internal trail, then you connect to the greenway is our potential space in this.

724
00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:19,730
This is all relatively flat.

725
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:26,410
The one thing you're at the consider if we wanted to illuminate it or you're gated, we currently don't have anything stopped in that far north.

726
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:32,210
We've worked some irrigation and we'll protect you tap into, but I think if you look at any level of

727
00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:40,390
Electrical illumination, we're a little bit further down the road of that actually truly ever happening and until we look at that

728
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:49,290
Sixth and final phase of Heritage Village Park which includes some shelters as well in this northern half. Are those other three that you showed us are those laid out?

729
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:55,610
Maple Grove and Woodberry I believe are I don't believe the loot is there may be some

730
00:51:56,390 --> 00:52:00,970
Safety lighting along the trail, or as you enter it, but I believe what Barry and Maple

731
00:52:00,970 --> 00:52:02,690
Grove are illuminated in this space.

732
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:08,470
So some of the lights are actually illuminated in the concrete at the wood barrier one.

733
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:10,270
So they kind of cast light up.

734
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:17,980
So this red circle identifies a potential, it's not the only spot or opportunity, but this

735
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:22,260
would give you that nature feel, you'd have to be intentional and wouldn't be the first

736
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:26,340
you see, you'd have to go make it sort of effort to walk in that location.

737
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,960
Now, one thing to consider, not that it's ideal, but just north of this, is the gun

738
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:42,020
range, which is not going anywhere, but you run that same type of, you hear those same type

739
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:46,020
of sounds, whether you're on the splash pad, you're doing the playground, you have the

740
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:51,240
the dog park, you're still within this space daily, young and old.

741
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:54,300
So this is a community park.

742
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:58,800
So it can accommodate more parking, it can accommodate

743
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,280
that potential December 7th meeting dates.

744
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:04,240
Again, things that consider.

745
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:06,700
So that was one location.

746
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:10,140
And we can't start doing it.

747
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:13,260
Salem Hills Park was another option or thought.

748
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:14,740
Again, we have a little bit of already

749
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:19,580
We're already looking at expanding this location next year as far as the parking lot is concerned.

750
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,520
Parliament reserve is just to do self west of this location.

751
00:53:24,260 --> 00:53:30,180
We do have some nurseries that we can maybe look at scaling back a little bit.

752
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,380
The nurseries for all the planned additional trees are going to park system.

753
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,300
It would be off a pathway.

754
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:37,800
There's an option here.

755
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:41,020
We're going to, again, is a simplistic or nate as possible.

756
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,140
Brian, can you let me do we have irrigation at this park?

757
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,220
The garden has a spiky.

758
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,920
So we could potentially tap into if we absolutely need it to.

759
00:53:54,220 --> 00:53:57,880
So again, these are some locations to think about these, and they'll be all,

760
00:53:58,260 --> 00:53:59,420
but something that we could consider.

761
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:03,840
The third location that was discussed with River Heights Park.

762
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:06,520
But again, this had accommodated a parking.

763
00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:12,660
This is not necessarily, I mean, it is a neighborhood park, but it's a regional-ish given we have harm and preserve.

764
00:54:13,540 --> 00:54:17,920
So, again, you have a little bit more traffic to some degree, but in nature, it's a larger park.

765
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:30,480
So, River Heights Park, if you've not been, you should visit. It's a fantastic kind of natural paved paths, very passive, very serene, very secluded and isolated.

766
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:35,260
and where that red circle is, is where there's a potential,

767
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,580
there's a nice group of trees that it could kind of,

768
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,480
let's say hide behind, but it varies similar to what delooths look like.

769
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:46,080
There's already a kind of some landscape in there.

770
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,880
We can look at enhanced in that space.

771
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,360
But one thing I would like to note is the parking side here.

772
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,520
It is kind of one of the first things that you would see.

773
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,980
Is it, does it meet the environmental aesthetic?

774
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:14,200
That you want me to think to have? Yes. Again, not a neighborhood park or it's very much a neighborhood park with no other elements for community gathering and outside of would be just that space. And there is no parking, it'd be street parking only.

775
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:20,640
And I don't think there's not electric, is there water, if there's no water either, I don't think there.

776
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:25,620
So you'd have to bring utility from somewhere, which has a substantial cost.

777
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:36,200
So, as we think about and consider funding, do we look at privately funded only, all of it,

778
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:41,780
a portion of it or not of it, city fund, all of it, a portion or not of it, we can look

779
00:55:41,780 --> 00:55:47,760
at doing cash, we do have a potential couple of funds to look at it consider, both with

780
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,160
in parks, mainly with in parks or do we look at something like the host community fund.

781
00:55:52,820 --> 00:55:54,340
But we also do in kind to.

782
00:55:54,860 --> 00:55:58,600
So part of the work session and Brian had indicated,

783
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:02,540
depending on how our Nate, we get or supplies to go get,

784
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:05,280
our Parks Maintenance team has a really good skill set.

785
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,820
They're great at projects.

786
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,240
There's a lot of things that we can do in-house.

787
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,780
We would still want to hire out some landscape design

788
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:17,220
or get some feedback from a designer, designer on it.

789
00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:21,460
But we can do a lot of things depending on where we locate this.

790
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:24,800
I would say heritage village, it's probably the flatest,

791
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,800
probably easiest to manipulate in a way

792
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,140
of we could do a lot of those things in the house.

793
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,600
So, somewhat similar with River Heights Park,

794
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,900
I would say probably the most challenging to some degree

795
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:37,020
would be Salem Hills.

796
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,460
Just given that it's current salt and angle,

797
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,660
we'd have to do quite a bit of either grading

798
00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:43,140
or bringing it up to grade.

799
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:45,280
So, something we can look at doing

800
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,640
of more than inkind, or do we do a combination

801
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,500
I'm both a little private entity funds and in kind too,

802
00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:54,080
but as I didn't get it earlier,

803
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,960
if the statute is donated by a private party,

804
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,920
it would sought the cycle back through this body

805
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,880
to accept the actual statute itself.

806
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,560
That's what follows all of our current policy

807
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,820
that I think we erected in 2022.

808
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:11,480
For those of you who remember at Heritage Village Park,

809
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,560
we had the monument of the COVID-first responders

810
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:28,240
or central workers, mind you with that, that heritage village, that process is created so that we can accept things like that and you have to go through a process, which includes coming back before this body if anything is donated.

811
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:29,880
Okay?

812
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:41,920
So as you consider design, we've talked about a couple of the things already. It could be simple, it could be elaborate, to commission the marker's comments.

813
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:46,020
do we look at simplistic first with the opportunity to build that later?

814
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:50,540
You know, you make sure that we have that space, okay?

815
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,220
It could be a smaller medium, kind of in nature,

816
00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:57,050
so after having a little bit of discussion with Brian,

817
00:57:57,740 --> 00:57:59,400
a part of superintendent, we thought, okay.

818
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,720
That'd be more about 50 by 50 areas space,

819
00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:04,960
smaller medium location.

820
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,040
But if you want to go a little bit larger, you're looking more towards

821
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:17,020
Some similar to like the size of the heritage village park run-home shelter so a little bit larger nature, but it gives you maybe that

822
00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:21,740
You start small of within design, but you know that may be your footprint from a larger location

823
00:58:23,460 --> 00:58:26,740
Obviously the scope of the design with a term in the cost

824
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:33,180
Connecting utilities is going to be a huge opponent of cost

825
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,840
And then, again, as I did in the case of the current site, we're really dictated as well.

826
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,520
I already mentioned the Parkstap, you know, supported, and if we get to a point, and again,

827
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,840
we're not at a point where we're fully designing this thing.

828
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:52,260
That's not what's in front of this evening, but it's really just trying to give

829
00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:55,480
a recommendation of council if we could go in that direction.

830
00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:57,080
Commissioner Torre?

831
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:03,160
Just to clarify, as it's being approved that we're moving forward, we're still just

832
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,640
at the, this is what it will look like.

833
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,000
At this point in time, what is requested of this body this evening?

834
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,460
If the Park and Recabagic Commission would recommend approving this to move forward,

835
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:17,040
and we'll get into exactly the details of what you recommended.

836
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:23,260
So if we, if we did a little bit of ordinate, and we wanted to look, hey, you know what this

837
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:29,740
You would more than like you want to bring in some of the landscape architect, or landscape designer,

838
00:59:30,140 --> 00:59:31,880
tell great what that looks like.

839
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:36,440
And again, if you start small and just get the statute and create that space and do something

840
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:41,760
smaller, but then we can look at it doing a bit more of an elaborate design later on.

841
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:42,560
We can do that as well.

842
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,160
So, as I indicated earlier, between maple grove and woodberry,

843
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,940
to your left is what bears.

844
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,200
So the requirement of the actual inscription

845
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,460
was the Christmas box angel.

846
00:59:59,600 --> 00:59:59,980
So they actually...

847
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,300
Actually, if you look at this carefully enough, they did not have, this is a gathering place on December 7.

848
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:14,840
So, they had to get rink consent from the actual artist, Paul and Richard Paul Evans to do that.

849
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,980
But they didn't talk about what it's for, and then the dedication to it.

850
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:25,420
So, when you look at Maple Grove, they also said the Christmas box angel.

851
01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:31,840
But they also indicated annual of cannolated visual December 6th at 7 p.m. and with some additional

852
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:34,680
medications and gravy.

853
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,820
So we can't deviate a little bit but it does have to say this is the Christmas box angel.

854
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:45,700
We may not have to call out that it's the December 6th marks the annual gathering space.

855
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:49,140
And as you'll see it and what Barry, it doesn't say that.

856
01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:50,280
It may have a grove and dust in that.

857
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:54,740
So there is a little bit of flexibility after we get approval from Richard Palavance.

858
01:00:58,390 --> 01:01:03,730
So, to Commissioner Torres' recent comments, what do we actually do in this evening?

859
01:01:04,530 --> 01:01:08,290
The question first and foremost, again, that's high level, and before we may begin

860
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:12,230
this action request, does anybody have any additional questions for me?

861
01:01:12,490 --> 01:01:16,550
I know we've kind of covered some of this within the work session on July, but this was

862
01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:19,530
a very high-level, quick presentation.

863
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:26,210
There have been any other community members that have reached out that have talked about wanting

864
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:31,110
this that have showed interest in having this be in one of our parks.

865
01:01:32,330 --> 01:01:36,610
Not that I'm aware of, I've not heard of any additional community members reach now.

866
01:01:36,970 --> 01:01:42,470
I would say this, I believe in those other three cities, who is probably like a family or two.

867
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:46,350
So typically brought forth by one group.

868
01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:57,120
Do we know what that process would be like working with author on changes and that kind of stuff?

869
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,160
Yeah, we would just put a request in to the actual author to say we would have the

870
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:08,500
creed to make sure that it said the Christmas box angel and then we would indicate

871
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:11,800
what we would like to say and then we would just wait on response.

872
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,540
So for example, if we said, hey, we're interested in we know this statement, it's to be

873
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:21,420
there we would want to put this following that and that would either come by way of

874
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:28,020
with the donor, or the community member, or propose this, or just kind of what we decide

875
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:29,400
as a city or staff.

876
01:02:32,670 --> 01:02:38,910
Other questions of Adam? Yeah, I guess has the city being in the process

877
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:51,190
of working with foundations before similar to what others see this day. There's that going to

878
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:58,350
community foundations that the city of Interrupt Heights currently works with.

879
01:02:58,970 --> 01:03:01,870
So I can't say that I'm familiar with anyone that we would.

880
01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:09,010
Now, because other cities have worked with either such a non-profit or fundraising arm

881
01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:13,730
of some 501C3, doesn't necessarily mean that that's what this process will look like.

882
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:15,190
So that's not a requirement.

883
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:20,550
So for example, we could have a private donor and just say, hey, I would like to give $30,000

884
01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:24,430
to this particular project, unrelated to being a non-profit group.

885
01:03:25,350 --> 01:03:30,870
So, we want the city would not create a foundation or request a foundation or not profit

886
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:32,730
for the donation to come through.

887
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:37,210
They didn't have a control from the community who actually brought this to us, mentioned

888
01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:42,890
that if there is an approval to move forward, you know, by the council, they will be reaching

889
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:48,030
out, you know, do, do fundraising and gather other people.

890
01:03:48,030 --> 01:03:55,050
So I think waiting on that to see what develops in terms of whether it's a foundation or

891
01:03:55,050 --> 01:03:56,090
whether it's a bunch of individuals,

892
01:03:58,470 --> 01:04:02,470
but first order is, I just want to, is there any other questions

893
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:03,570
before we get into the action?

894
01:04:04,690 --> 01:04:09,190
Yeah, do we have any other like past projects that are similar to this?

895
01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:10,250
Do we have any other monuments?

896
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:13,590
Do we have any like different things that's related?

897
01:04:13,710 --> 01:04:15,110
Or would be a similar process?

898
01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:21,070
anything like that, that we can kind of look back and be like, this was a good idea, this was not a good idea.

899
01:04:23,650 --> 01:04:27,390
Commissioner Johnson, the only one thing I could point to is when I come up on a little bit earlier,

900
01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:34,110
at Heritage Village Park, there is a monument for kind of first responder, kind of coded related

901
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:38,550
monument that sits as you enter from the parking lot on the west side.

902
01:04:38,830 --> 01:04:43,830
That went through, we created the body and the council created a monument in Memorial Policy,

903
01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:50,710
They're required a process and a pathway to donate items like this and that's the only thing I could really point to

904
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:58,450
And that particular monument was fully donated to the city. So this body also worked throughout the time placement location

905
01:04:59,170 --> 01:04:59,790
So

906
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,200
Essentially, once it was donated, we now own it and inherit it and we decide what happens with it moving forward.

907
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:10,880
So there's no ties to us, for example, and I'm not saying this would happen.

908
01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:16,060
If we were to accept the actual statute stuff, we went through that process, it was donated.

909
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:24,440
And three years were like, you know what, I think this either should be relocated, or X, Y and Z's happening, we can remove it, we can upgrade it.

910
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,840
That would all be on behalf of the city to do as they see fit.

911
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,660
And that's part of the advantage of going through the process, because that process spells out

912
01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:36,340
that exact expectation and requirement if the donation goes through.

913
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,460
And it'll have to be accepted and received by the council prior to that, it has to go through this

914
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:43,260
body for a recommendation of approval.

915
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:46,140
Other questions?

916
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,240
A lot, apparently.

917
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:58,860
So, if we move forward and we recommend this to the city, you're asking us to make decisions

918
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,660
preemptively that I don't see how we would make.

919
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,760
If we don't know if families want to fundraise and do, you know, so for us to say,

920
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:12,740
well, we want to publicly fund it or privately or mix a book.

921
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:14,000
We don't know what a budget is.

922
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:15,700
We don't know who wants to come for.

923
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,180
That seems hard.

924
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,820
It feels like we're doing this.

925
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,420
Not in the wrong order, but do you understand what I'm saying?

926
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:30,780
like I, I'm a little confused why we would not just recommend stop there. I guess is my question.

927
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:36,960
And I'll get to the next slide. Thank you. So to that point, there are options for how you may

928
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,920
want to recommend this to council. Okay. So to those very things, there's so many things that

929
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:50,320
are left undone and said that I don't know if one were in a position to look at going to those

930
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,400
next step without further approval because there may be some additional resources needed

931
01:06:54,400 --> 01:07:00,280
for us to look at design. So if you recommend, ultimately, that you would support this particular

932
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,500
monument in our park system is the first and foremost. Could you see it in our system somewhere?

933
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:11,060
That's the first question. If you could see in our system somewhere, you guys is a body. Can

934
01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:16,240
recommend that to counter? Yes, we could see it. Along with that, that we could see it. Then we

935
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,420
go to these three points.

936
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:25,160
We can see it, we can see it in option location, A, B, C, or D,

937
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,340
or do you leave it up to the council of the determine?

938
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,120
That's in what you can send in with it.

939
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,980
So it puts a little bit more of the decision-making ability

940
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:37,980
on the council if they decide to have a final spot.

941
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:41,040
But if this body would like to give a recommendation of a location,

942
01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:42,240
you can do so.

943
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,200
The second part of that is, what's the general scope?

944
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:52,060
Keep it little, keep it small, keep it mid, be it robust, be elaborate, large, you name it or you give the

945
01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:55,360
recommendation to also leave that up to the council.

946
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,760
Third, how do you fund it?

947
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:05,780
Do you give the recommendation, yes we can see in our system, we recommend here to Village Park.

948
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:11,200
We feel like the general scope, we're not there yet, we'll leave that to some degree up to the council

949
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,380
because two is tied with three.

950
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:14,740
How are we going to fund this project?

951
01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:17,900
And I think the Council then can help support

952
01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:19,840
or if this body wants to give a recommendation.

953
01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:23,500
You could say, we think that we leave this

954
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:25,200
up the Council to figure out how to fund it.

955
01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:27,940
Because we don't want to give a recommendation

956
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:29,320
how to fund it.

957
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:31,340
Or you could say, you know what?

958
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,800
I think the, the practice say,

959
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,780
I believe this should be fully funded primarily

960
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:39,380
and that no city dollars should be allocated toward this.

961
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:40,580
You can give that recommendation.

962
01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:47,040
So, first and foremost, can you see it in our system, if you can, that's kind of the first

963
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:47,440
boat.

964
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:54,420
Secondly, is what additional recommendations in these three categories would you like

965
01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:54,960
to give?

966
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,680
So, that's kind of to your point.

967
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:01,300
Yes, it's hard to see through the woods right now, and I totally get it.

968
01:09:01,420 --> 01:09:05,780
But I don't know if we can get to that next step to even come back in some way shape or form.

969
01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:08,880
If it's donated, it has to come back to this body anyway.

970
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,560
And I'll say this.

971
01:09:10,780 --> 01:09:16,400
Ultimately, as well, is dependent on what this body does, whether you say, you know what?

972
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,500
Either way, we're going to deny it because we don't feel like we can really see it or there's

973
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:22,660
too many unanswered questions.

974
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:29,680
This individual can still go to the council's hall and go to that next step and to some degree

975
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:35,060
bypass this, not that they individual would, but they depend on the timing and fundraising

976
01:09:35,060 --> 01:09:37,080
opportunities, all those things matter.

977
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:37,880
So.

978
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:43,880
I don't know if that fully answers your question, but it does support kind of like we can send a recommendation with

979
01:09:44,980 --> 01:09:47,400
I want to say caveats, but additional recommendations.

980
01:09:50,940 --> 01:09:51,780
Any other questions?

981
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,780
Anything else you want to say?

982
01:09:54,020 --> 01:09:54,060
No?

983
01:09:54,820 --> 01:09:54,860
Okay.

984
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,480
I think that first.

985
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:58,560
Is there another question?

986
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,820
I'm just going to say the first question.

987
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,080
We need to look at for it. Do you want that in separate motions? No, I don't know if we have the, well, yes. Well, yeah, we could.

988
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:14,220
I would say, I would say, I would not, I don't know if a motion, I think a motion should be at the, at the very end.

989
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:19,280
Can you put the next screen back up? Thank you.

990
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:29,100
I guess just, let's see. I guess my, my feeling is that we, you know, we decide yes or no, we're going to endorse the idea.

991
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:33,460
And then we leave the other parts up to the council,

992
01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:38,100
location, scope, potential funding sources.

993
01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:41,580
If there's disagreement about that, if you want.

994
01:10:42,460 --> 01:10:45,000
So I thought we were going to vote first on whether we...

995
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,220
Yeah, that's fine.

996
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,340
Are you changing?

997
01:10:47,540 --> 01:10:53,360
No, by the way, I think you have to vote in a way of accepting the proposal of an

998
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,440
idea to recommend the council.

999
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:55,380
That's first and foremost.

1000
01:10:55,380 --> 01:11:01,600
And then I think second there is, along that recommendation, here's what we'd like to see as additional recommendations.

1001
01:11:01,860 --> 01:11:21,540
I'd like to move that we endorse the idea of having an angelful memorial as part of our park system and that we do not pick a preferred location or scope or funding.

1002
01:11:21,540 --> 01:11:29,700
We leave those up to the consoles, so that would be my move that, is there a second to that?

1003
01:11:31,580 --> 01:11:33,200
I'd like to discuss a little bit more.

1004
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:38,360
I feel like if we could just go around and kind of see where everyone is.

1005
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,720
I thought we should get a motion on the table and then we could discuss more.

1006
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:44,260
I guess it feels like we're otherwise.

1007
01:11:44,660 --> 01:11:48,440
Is everyone feeling like they want to go forward with this?

1008
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,020
That's the motion.

1009
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:57,100
Well, but you're tacking on that you don't want to recommend anything and I'm saying I think that we don't all agree to that

1010
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:59,020
Okay, that's all

1011
01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:03,440
I hear that I feel like you know just just for me

1012
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,120
I could definitely see it in our system

1013
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,740
I think there's like some good stuff here

1014
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:15,300
But like you know if I'm looking at like you know I would I would be interested in like

1015
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:23,540
sending it off and saying like this person who's said and brought it up and said that they would call and like bring in donations and that kind of stuff

1016
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:25,120
that they would

1017
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,680
start that process early

1018
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:33,880
See if there's any interest if there's any money like that kind of stuff. That's kind of where I'm at where it's like

1019
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,800
you know, I don't I don't feel like it should all fall on

1020
01:12:38,060 --> 01:12:39,060
the city

1021
01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:43,160
the practice, you like all that kind of stuff, so I don't need it.

1022
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,560
And once the city, once it's in, it's the city's responsibility.

1023
01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:52,120
So I'm more concerned with the maintenance part of it,

1024
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:55,620
and where does it make the most sense for the least amount?

1025
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,280
That's what I'm interested in discussing and finding more about, finding out more about.

1026
01:13:03,860 --> 01:13:07,300
For me, it's a little bit, you know, these three places.

1027
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:12,780
I think where I'm concerned is, you know, with Heritage Village Park, because there's just not a lot of

1028
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:23,100
Treespace, it's still as pretty open, and, like, no, it's not the first thing you see, but I also, like, see coming in and, you know,

1029
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:29,500
if there's a group of people on the evening that are on the 7th or 6th whenever it is,

1030
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:36,380
a lot of kids that are maybe playing at the park are just going to see that, right? I like the idea of some privacy and it

1031
01:13:36,380 --> 01:13:40,840
space. What I almost wonder is if we're still looking at North

1032
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,780
Wisteria Park development, which seems to have a lot more foliage, a lot more trees,

1033
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:52,940
if we almost like give the group time to fundraise with the idea of like when we

1034
01:13:52,940 --> 01:13:57,420
purchase something or if we purchase something for North Wisteria Park, trying to merge

1035
01:13:57,420 --> 01:14:05,000
those things together. But I know that's adding a place that is not on a

1036
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:10,660
for park location. I mean of the three places I would say it seems like Salem is probably offering

1037
01:14:10,660 --> 01:14:11,780
the most privacy.

1038
01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:19,280
Just because I remember how mad people were about the lights of swing bridge

1039
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,560
in the money that went on those lights and it wasn't even our money. It was grand money and people

1040
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:34,980
like lost their minds online about that. And so $175,000 or $225,000 even if the, you know,

1041
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:42,140
We're not necessarily just, I mean, I guess we're not writing the check for that at this level, but I also think

1042
01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:51,360
If other communities have offered money for it and funder is money for it, I think it's important to attach that to what our decision is.

1043
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:59,460
But I just, I don't know am I alone here. I don't hear it to Village Park for whatever reason makes me a little bit uncomfortable because of how

1044
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,660
Open it is, both for people that are going to experience it and for people to part.

1045
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:17,260
And I mean, if you're that much closer to the gun range, and I can't imagine somebody who lost a trial to something that happens every day in this country now is going to want to hear that.

1046
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:23,080
That seems a little short-sighted. So I'm glad that you even brought that up.

1047
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,440
My thought right now is that we have a lot more to discuss.

1048
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:36,900
This feels like, are we all on board that we would want them to go forward and, you know,

1049
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,420
I mean, we had a work session. I wasn't able to come to the work session,

1050
01:15:43,150 --> 01:15:43,530
but, you know,

1051
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:47,590
it sounds like from the comments from everyone.

1052
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:59,990
Like the idea is great, like you are obviously, if you were in that position, hopefully no one's in that position here, but you understand why it's so meaningful.

1053
01:16:00,610 --> 01:16:13,350
But the question that we need to answer here right now is, do we see in our system, I'm from what I hearing from everyone is, no, like dislocations, maybe others won't come.

1054
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:17,370
we won't be there right place, we don't know anything about the funding, so that's also like

1055
01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:21,710
it's not part of the system because we didn't think about it.

1056
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:28,410
So, I'm just interpreting everyone's comments and I say like at least at this time

1057
01:16:28,410 --> 01:16:31,170
to the 2025 we don't see it in the system.

1058
01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:35,230
Not because we don't want it, it's just like it doesn't make sense right now.

1059
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:41,670
And we're missing three council members and I'm really curious about their opinions on this as well.

1060
01:16:41,670 --> 01:16:48,770
I mean, where I'm at is I would like to maybe table this for a month so I can sort of gather more information and think about it.

1061
01:16:48,810 --> 01:16:53,870
I mean, we had a work session, but here from some of the other council or here from some of the the crack,

1062
01:16:54,390 --> 01:17:04,090
Cody committee members, and then also maybe explore like what would it look like if we tried to attach something like this to North Observatory Park,

1063
01:17:04,530 --> 01:17:09,790
where would make sense with some of the landscaping that's there to create privacy and to create space,

1064
01:17:09,790 --> 01:17:15,770
Because they do think what we can offer is we can offer space, we can offer some in-house landscaping.

1065
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:24,770
And if we're already sort of going to acquire that kind of space, we can intentionally put it in a place where there will be a easy access to plumbing,

1066
01:17:24,910 --> 01:17:26,710
where there would be easy access to electricity.

1067
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:32,530
It doesn't seem like that necessarily is the case right now with all of these spaces.

1068
01:17:35,180 --> 01:17:42,640
Okay, so maybe that's a better place, and maybe the accounts were good, like a proof, we

1069
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,600
have for a future plan.

1070
01:17:45,820 --> 01:17:49,800
So, in this case, yeah, we don't have a proof of a location, and we don't have a proof of

1071
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,680
a size, but I don't have proof, like...

1072
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,680
Yeah, it's just like...

1073
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,160
Commissioner's kind of like a couple of comments, and we're going to go to some of the

1074
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:55,780
accounts you've made.

1075
01:17:56,060 --> 01:17:57,500
First and foremost, there's North West area.

1076
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:03,780
None of that line is guaranteed, and ultimately, currently as it stands, we are more

1077
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:06,480
and moving in direction, we will get land based on development.

1078
01:18:07,220 --> 01:18:08,580
So when you look at based on development,

1079
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,800
and the northwest area of given the topography,

1080
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:14,160
you are not getting a robust community of the level size park.

1081
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,080
So then they try to fit something like this into that space

1082
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,380
into a space that you're not getting that food full 15 to 20 acres,

1083
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,100
may not be a possibility if it is,

1084
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,500
it may not be 5, 10, 15 years on the road.

1085
01:18:26,980 --> 01:18:28,380
If we look at land acquisition,

1086
01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:30,100
which we're currently working through,

1087
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:32,280
which may or may not come to fruition,

1088
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,900
And you still may not have a suitable spacing in North-Western.

1089
01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:37,600
So that's just a couple of comments we're going to have.

1090
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:41,160
Not to say that part of the preferred part of location is other.

1091
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:44,560
Can you consider this to be in a future North-Western park?

1092
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,220
We can say that within the recommendation.

1093
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,360
So you don't have to be stuck on these three.

1094
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,900
This is just what was discussed at the work session.

1095
01:18:54,660 --> 01:18:58,880
So where we had a little bit more in-depth details and conversations regarding this particular

1096
01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:59,720
topic.

1097
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:07,740
So, when you leave it to these ultimate items, when you think about revocation, scope, funding,

1098
01:19:09,260 --> 01:19:12,420
you can give recommendations, but ultimately the council has to determine how they're

1099
01:19:12,420 --> 01:19:13,100
going to do those things.

1100
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:18,360
So, again, not to say that we can't table us positive for additional formation.

1101
01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:24,180
I guess if we wanted additional information, I don't know exactly at what point in time what

1102
01:19:24,180 --> 01:19:26,660
additional information you're looking for.

1103
01:19:26,660 --> 01:19:37,620
Because if we're looking at cost estimates, I would have to go to council and say, I need additional cost to get a landscape architect and designer to cost estimate what the space will look like.

1104
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:43,540
Ultimately, this would have to come back and say, well, for what? And we like, for this, but nothing's been recommended.

1105
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,360
And we can definitely do that.

1106
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:53,260
But I just want to try to, what additional information are we looking for that I can maybe support and respond to now?

1107
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:59,960
And that's why I kind of left these actions open ended degree because I think two and three are very

1108
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:13,420
What else related? If you're trying to fund the project, you don't know what you're funding yet. So if there's a scope and nature in which the council is going to comfortable with or not, you may very well recommend this to the council, and they may very well deny it.

1109
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:20,120
Okay, or they may accept it and sit down for a while, and they may look at, can we fit into their future north-west airport? How are we going to fund it?

1110
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:28,460
You go back to that individual and say, how do you propose to fund it? Because we're not going to do in kind two, we're not going to provide additional fundings,

1111
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:31,000
or we're going to provide input and kind of to,

1112
01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:32,380
and we're going to provide additional funds.

1113
01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:34,400
They can go in multiple different directions.

1114
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,300
And again, that's where you leave them a little bit

1115
01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:40,400
open-ended for them to have discussion around as well.

1116
01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:42,780
But from a preferred parking location,

1117
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,000
this is not the end of the year.

1118
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,380
There may be other considerations.

1119
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,200
That's where you could say, hey, we'd like to see maybe options

1120
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,020
A and C in there, and not B, or we're open to it,

1121
01:20:54,140 --> 01:20:56,900
or we send a recommendation back to the council and say,

1122
01:20:56,900 --> 01:21:00,620
We want to know what your space you're thinking about before we

1123
01:21:02,420 --> 01:21:06,640
I mean ultimately this body doesn't do the full approval. They do recommendations. Mm-hmm

1124
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:09,100
I think you're right, see

1125
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:13,300
Excuse me. I said I think you were right. I think we take it up to the council

1126
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:21,020
That's and that was my view. I guess is that we either endorse or we don't endorse that concept

1127
01:21:21,020 --> 01:21:25,540
We don't get into particulars. I mean here that that's really up to the council

1128
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:35,720
We can, if any of you want to recommend a location or of the ones that Adam has, that the staff

1129
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:41,640
is lined out at this point, but otherwise, you know, in terms of the school design, funding,

1130
01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:42,780
potentials.

1131
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:49,560
I don't know this reasonable to say to the community member get a bunch of, you know, money,

1132
01:21:49,620 --> 01:21:54,840
you know, committed to this before we would even consider, you know, whether we think it's

1133
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,380
good idea to have it. I think they probably need something that says, you know, there's

1134
01:21:59,380 --> 01:22:06,260
some support behind this idea in order to get people to, and I don't know what else we

1135
01:22:06,260 --> 01:22:12,440
do either. We talked quite a bit at the work session about it and members that are missing

1136
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:14,980
tonight. I think mostly we're at the work session.

1137
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,880
So we can certainly wait and let it sit and

1138
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:30,380
about it next month. I can't but what more are we going to do or find between now and then

1139
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:34,200
that's going to make a difference. I mean ultimately commissioners as well we can look at

1140
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,340
just sending a recommendation of support and leaving it at that without any additional

1141
01:22:38,340 --> 01:22:46,440
things in there. That's an option and I really it's kind of saying the same thing

1142
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:51,420
of giving them options one to three all letter E if you will leave it kind of to the council

1143
01:22:53,560 --> 01:23:19,820
I think it's all up for you all to make the decision but again I want you guys to feel like you have the answers as best as I can give you without I can't present a full design because we haven't not we've not got to that point now that being said if Council says yet we want to do this let's go more forward design that doesn't mean

1144
01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:22,660
that we stop with the prack and the pracks out of it.

1145
01:23:22,940 --> 01:23:28,520
So as Commissioner Cook had indicated that let the council kind of get into weeds.

1146
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,120
Well, that could still come back here, if they give the actual okay.

1147
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,760
And they see, we want to send it back to the commission to really work through design.

1148
01:23:38,260 --> 01:23:40,260
That's definitely a possibility and option as well.

1149
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:43,960
So I wouldn't say this is like the last you ever see in here of it,

1150
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:48,000
by any stretch, I think ultimately one of the things that will really have

1151
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,020
take into consideration is really how do you fund the project? And I think that's where

1152
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,080
you're more than happy and willing as a body to give a recommendation for that funding and I just

1153
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:05,760
don't know what that actual number would look like. The only numbers that I do know is the cost of the

1154
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:12,140
statue and the potential estimate of costs for the base. So right off the top you're looking at

1155
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:15,180
to $22 to $25,000.

1156
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:17,980
And that's just for the statute in the best.

1157
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:21,460
So, what other communities had $225,000

1158
01:24:21,460 --> 01:24:24,140
or donations did that then go to the landscaping

1159
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:25,900
and all that other space around it?

1160
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:26,560
Okay.

1161
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:33,680
I mean, I guess where I'm at is I think it's definitely something

1162
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,420
that if there's a want in our community to have this,

1163
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,840
then I want there to be that in our community.

1164
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:47,000
I would prefer it to be in Salem, or Salem Hills, or River Heights, just for sort of privacy

1165
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,300
sake, and it seems like those would be places to hold it.

1166
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:55,640
But I also, I do think if other communities have done mostly private funded for this,

1167
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:59,980
which is that the case, it's been mostly privately funded, or has it been a...

1168
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,020
Comunation of private and city funds.

1169
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:08,320
Officially, and up front, she capital costs right away, it was privately funded, and then over time.

1170
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,600
But Duluth and Woodbury added additional funds for improvements.

1171
01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:18,080
I mean, I would, I, at this level, would endorse that.

1172
01:25:19,940 --> 01:25:24,360
A, a privately funded with some possibility of city funded down the road.

1173
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:33,840
I would rather say that at this level and then a city council decides differently, give them that opportunity to say no we want to fund this.

1174
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:42,540
That's where I met just as somebody that wants to recognize taxpayer money and all that.

1175
01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:54,340
I guess that's I'm yes for it, but I would prefer Salem River Heights and a privately funded with some city.

1176
01:25:54,340 --> 01:25:56,840
later. That's where I'm at.

1177
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,140
Okay, do we have a motion for any direction at this point?

1178
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:12,740
We, otherwise it sort of dies at this point until maybe bring it up at the next meeting

1179
01:26:12,740 --> 01:26:18,340
if people want to wait and have the other commissioners here. Otherwise,

1180
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,020
what we'd like to do.

1181
01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:26,560
I'm fine with your original motion. That's what I feel now.

1182
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,300
Okay.

1183
01:26:30,630 --> 01:26:35,130
Well, do you want to, do you want to restate it or do you want me to do it again?

1184
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:40,870
No, I mean, I suppose we have to say it again, but I think it makes a little sense.

1185
01:26:41,150 --> 01:26:44,270
Because it will come back to us if it moves forward anyway.

1186
01:26:44,430 --> 01:26:47,810
This isn't the last, like you said, it's not the last time we're going to talk about this.

1187
01:26:48,010 --> 01:26:53,270
So why don't you make it then? You're kind of endorsing the idea of...

1188
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:57,790
Okay, so I would like to make a motion to move forward with this project.

1189
01:26:59,510 --> 01:27:03,770
Recommended. Recommended to this city council. Mm-hmm. Um, and leave

1190
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:10,850
The details up to them. So I have to deal in one through three if you. Well. Yes.

1191
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:19,160
Right. So. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, the D in E in E.

1192
01:27:19,460 --> 01:27:26,800
Oh, yes. D in E in E is my fault. So it would be safe to say to clear the motion up to some degree.

1193
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:34,340
You're recommending the idea of it with the, the, the, the, the, the, the project being somewhat within a part system and really leaving

1194
01:27:34,340 --> 01:27:37,700
prefer location, scope, and funding to council.

1195
01:27:38,380 --> 01:27:38,560
Mm-hmm.

1196
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,900
Is that fair to say I'd really kind of clean it up, or would you prefer to send a recommendation?

1197
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:44,520
Can I, I think that's what you're saying?

1198
01:27:44,660 --> 01:27:48,500
Let's see if that is second for that because that's the motion at this point.

1199
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:49,060
Yes.

1200
01:27:49,060 --> 01:27:49,660
What are you saying?

1201
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:51,280
I've discussed further.

1202
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,800
Is there a second for that motion?

1203
01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:56,060
You have a question.

1204
01:27:58,240 --> 01:27:58,720
Okay, second.

1205
01:27:59,300 --> 01:27:59,740
You second.

1206
01:28:00,820 --> 01:28:01,460
Please, the second.

1207
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:02,640
All right.

1208
01:28:03,060 --> 01:28:03,420
Discussion?

1209
01:28:03,940 --> 01:28:04,500
At this point?

1210
01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:07,700
I mean, are we sure it's going to get kicked back to us?

1211
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:10,000
I mean, city council could make all those decisions.

1212
01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:12,380
And then just move forward with it.

1213
01:28:12,940 --> 01:28:14,340
Are they going to want to?

1214
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:15,420
Got.

1215
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:17,540
I can comment a little bit on that.

1216
01:28:19,820 --> 01:28:29,380
What we can do is request that as if they get a proof that design, we recommend a design

1217
01:28:29,380 --> 01:28:36,460
efforts come back to the practice and work through if they just so choose to approve this

1218
01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:37,760
project to move forward.

1219
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,680
So that's something we can request that doesn't necessarily mean to happen.

1220
01:28:41,180 --> 01:28:46,360
I would imagine to Commissioner Marker's point that they're not really going to want to

1221
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,260
settle in on all the design efforts and have, you know, things that nature, the thing we could

1222
01:28:50,260 --> 01:28:52,300
come back and say, okay, here's where we're at.

1223
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:54,180
We could do location as well.

1224
01:28:54,380 --> 01:28:57,960
Couldn't we come back to us in terms of design and location?

1225
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,400
Sure. Well, I think if we're going there then we should say that now to some degree.

1226
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,940
Right. I mean, if we have a location in mind,

1227
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,640
there are no other options other than the three mentioned.

1228
01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:10,320
As you look at D, it says other.

1229
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:12,420
Yeah, what other.

1230
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,360
But I mean, that's part of the discussion.

1231
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:20,440
If there's other options that you'd like to consider, as we spoke about in the work session,

1232
01:29:20,660 --> 01:29:24,860
we had a couple of other items, but then through discussion, the veterans of more community

1233
01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:29,400
center, there was open green space area, plaza, but we felt like there was two tight heavy traffic,

1234
01:29:29,740 --> 01:29:33,600
maybe didn't give you that solitude and seclusion that we were thinking about.

1235
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,700
I mean, we could definitely look at other locations to consider.

1236
01:29:38,420 --> 01:29:43,800
Did you look at behind the community center sort of in between, did you, is that what you just

1237
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:51,020
community center and sort of the city hall. There's a space right behind the community

1238
01:29:51,020 --> 01:29:56,160
center, is that where you talked about the escape park? Yeah, kind of next to the

1239
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,880
escape park, there's maybe it's maybe there's just not enough space, I don't know.

1240
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,600
There would be enough space, but I don't know if we'd want to put a next-of-skate park.

1241
01:30:04,820 --> 01:30:07,200
I mean, how much distance there is with the Skipper, but I hear you.

1242
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:07,620
Yeah.

1243
01:30:08,140 --> 01:30:12,220
The National Government just expanded some of their fancy area, but their utility vehicles.

1244
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,080
So that's based on a little smaller.

1245
01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:14,500
OK.

1246
01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:16,360
Between that and Skipper.

1247
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:23,860
I'm less concerned with the design aspects as I am just the funding of it, because I am having

1248
01:30:23,860 --> 01:30:26,280
flashbacks to people showing up at planning committees.

1249
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:35,940
decisions that were made at that level and funding decisions, like, hey, why weren't some of

1250
01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:37,500
these decisions made at that level?

1251
01:30:37,740 --> 01:30:42,880
And I just, I, where I'm concerned that is, I don't want this to be something which is

1252
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:49,920
completely city funded when other communities have created this and it hasn't been completely

1253
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:50,600
city funded.

1254
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:57,040
not to say that that would happen here, but where I'm at is my belief is that it should be at least

1255
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,640
privately funded with some opportunity for city funds down their own. So I guess my

1256
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:09,260
I'll probably be D when there'd be something the council would determine though. Yes, but I at least

1257
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:15,260
want it stated at this level where my voice matters that like if they change it from more

1258
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:21,200
recommendation. That's great. But at this level, I want to, I want to, at least my vote to say,

1259
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:25,200
the combination of private and city funds. And I want the honest to be on them if they're going to

1260
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:31,640
want to make an amendment or suggest an amendment. I suggest an amendment that the recommendation

1261
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:40,460
to move on be followed with the combination of private and city funds is the funding recommendation.

1262
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:47,360
And also, I'll pop the design piece to let it come back to us in terms of design or not.

1263
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:54,300
No, just because I think if we're going to make design decisions, I feel like that would be then made today.

1264
01:31:54,540 --> 01:31:59,420
I feel like if we were going to make some of those decisions, then we should go ahead with that today.

1265
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,520
And let somebody else feel strongly about some of the design.

1266
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:09,900
Okay, let's see if we have a second to your amended amendment to the motion. Is there a second to that?

1267
01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:11,640
Can I second it even though I started?

1268
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:13,780
No, yes, you can.

1269
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:14,380
Can I?

1270
01:32:14,540 --> 01:32:14,680
Yeah.

1271
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,120
Well, you can accept it as a friendly amendment.

1272
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,620
Well, let's vote on that, though.

1273
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:19,980
OK.

1274
01:32:19,980 --> 01:32:21,300
So your second amendment?

1275
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:21,720
Yes.

1276
01:32:22,900 --> 01:32:24,020
All right.

1277
01:32:24,620 --> 01:32:27,040
Move to second it that we amend the motion.

1278
01:32:27,980 --> 01:32:31,160
So we're vote on the amendment first and then the motion.

1279
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,240
So we'll see if it's amended motion.

1280
01:32:33,940 --> 01:32:34,040
All right.

1281
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:39,020
So the amendment would be that the consideration

1282
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:44,300
should be the recommendation from here, is that it's a combination of city and private funds

1283
01:32:44,300 --> 01:32:45,160
and private funds.

1284
01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:45,760
Okay.

1285
01:32:46,940 --> 01:32:49,480
That would go into this memorial.

1286
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,220
All in favor of that amendment.

1287
01:32:52,620 --> 01:32:53,740
Say goodbye by saying aye.

1288
01:32:54,860 --> 01:32:55,500
Any opposed?

1289
01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:57,520
No.

1290
01:32:58,860 --> 01:32:59,120
All right.

1291
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:07,300
So then we have an amended motion, which is to endorse the concept to the city council of

1292
01:33:07,300 --> 01:33:16,420
to the full memorial with our recommendation that there be a combination of city and private funding

1293
01:33:16,420 --> 01:33:25,300
to establish it. Does that sound great? Okay. Any other discussion? Okay.

1294
01:33:26,060 --> 01:33:30,680
Are those filled on that motion? All on favor of the amended motions? Signify by saying aye.

1295
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:35,820
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Okay. Just want to clarify?

1296
01:33:35,820 --> 01:33:42,100
So I'm going to make sure, so this body is passed and recommended that the city support

1297
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:52,580
an angel home memorial within our park system for them to determine location, scope, and

1298
01:33:52,820 --> 01:33:58,660
to consider a combination of public and private funds to create the space.

1299
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:00,020
Yeah, correct?

1300
01:34:00,460 --> 01:34:00,840
Correct.

1301
01:34:01,540 --> 01:34:07,640
I mean, it feels as if once we know sort of the monetary value we're working with from

1302
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:11,820
the community, that will help establish some of those other aspects.

1303
01:34:13,460 --> 01:34:19,060
I appreciate that, and I will, as I more than like this next step, we'll go before

1304
01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:24,500
a work session with the council, and I also bring up the subject matter of if it's approved

1305
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:28,700
to advance that this body would like to be a part of the design efforts.

1306
01:34:28,700 --> 01:34:29,020
Okay.

1307
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:35,780
And if it again, if that statute is donated, if you are any of it's donated, it's still

1308
01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:36,620
come before this body.

1309
01:34:37,180 --> 01:34:39,280
So that can be in a combination with design efforts.

1310
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:40,560
Okay.

1311
01:34:41,860 --> 01:34:42,220
All right.

1312
01:34:42,460 --> 01:34:43,200
Thank you.

1313
01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:44,360
Do you need to rest?

1314
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:45,480
No one is sitting down.

1315
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:45,940
Okay.

1316
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:47,440
Just a half way.

1317
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:47,780
Sure.

1318
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:48,280
I'm sure.

1319
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:50,020
Short and sweet.

1320
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:51,420
This would be how low park.

1321
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,400
My commission has been at a modest parking recreation director.

1322
01:34:56,440 --> 01:34:58,000
This evening, on this particular item,

1323
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,980
And so before you, I'm here as this-

1324
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:09,060
Let's see if we hollow park, 2026, capital improvement plan. It is proposed for a plug-on replacement.

1325
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:17,860
So a little bit background in this particular one. This is a part of the 26-2030 capital improvement plan for the city.

1326
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:25,060
That's in front of the council. As we currently are discussing, this was actually scheduled for, I think, a year or two out.

1327
01:35:25,060 --> 01:35:28,580
but given the evaluation of our purpose system,

1328
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,140
we've made some adjustments and changes,

1329
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,560
particularly to this capital approval plan.

1330
01:35:32,980 --> 01:35:34,400
And I think move this one up first

1331
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:35,660
or was it always in 26?

1332
01:35:36,220 --> 01:35:36,980
I think it was always in.

1333
01:35:37,020 --> 01:35:37,580
My apologies.

1334
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:39,040
So it was always in 26,

1335
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:41,620
so it was approved in the previous capital approval plan,

1336
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,660
but it still needs to go through the final process.

1337
01:35:43,900 --> 01:35:47,260
We're going to approval in 2025 for 26 to 30.

1338
01:35:47,940 --> 01:35:49,420
So it's not yet been approved.

1339
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:53,100
So we should know that here by the end of this year.

1340
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:57,840
But under the last, the playground itself is 20 plus years old, and as you recall, those

1341
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:03,780
are wearing with us on the tour, and it was visited, so this location you should have some

1342
01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:10,160
understanding of where it's packed. If you don't, here it is. So it is one of our neighborhood parks.

1343
01:36:10,780 --> 01:36:16,380
The neighborhood park itself is roughly about 10 acres, and it has about 4,000 feet of

1344
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:22,000
plus of trail networking within the park itself. This park outside of just having a playground container,

1345
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,960
and also as a volleyball, Santa volleyball court and basketball court.

1346
01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:29,240
So as you'll see highlighted here,

1347
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:32,960
this is the park location.

1348
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:37,000
There's a little bit more of a up front mute of it

1349
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,700
and you'll actually see coming off of college trail

1350
01:36:39,700 --> 01:36:42,700
and 84 street here, which it turns into.

1351
01:36:42,980 --> 01:36:43,880
That's the main entrance.

1352
01:36:44,020 --> 01:36:44,700
You can come in.

1353
01:36:45,780 --> 01:36:48,100
Overall, if Comstock is well and I believe you can come off

1354
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:51,980
or off these back in trail that is correct as well.

1355
01:36:51,980 --> 01:36:54,240
So this is the location.

1356
01:36:55,900 --> 01:37:01,040
The current place structure, again, as I indicated, is 20 plus years old and does that combination

1357
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,040
of the two to 12-year-old, all-in-one structure.

1358
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:09,380
So there's not as much as you'll see for the younger kids, but nonetheless there are some features for them.

1359
01:37:09,540 --> 01:37:10,980
The currently is two slides.

1360
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:14,100
There's some monkey bars, there's some climbing features.

1361
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,600
There are four benches on the exterior of the play container.

1362
01:37:18,140 --> 01:37:19,260
There are zero swings.

1363
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:24,400
And there are a lot of mature trees that create shade structure, which a lot of our newer

1364
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:29,200
parks, which they have, but don't have, but this particular one has some great mature trees

1365
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:30,680
surrounding the play container.

1366
01:37:32,300 --> 01:37:36,960
So from the front view, walking towards it through it, as the main entrance, that's kind

1367
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,020
of a broader view of what it looks like.

1368
01:37:39,060 --> 01:37:43,200
So you'll see the basketball court in the back, and the feedback here around the trees is

1369
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,520
the actual sand volleyball court.

1370
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,060
It's a pretty circular play container.

1371
01:37:48,060 --> 01:37:52,420
And then you have your four benches on their own paths outside of the play container.

1372
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:00,260
So I show you this back and seen it from the backside because this is where you may see some adjustments

1373
01:38:00,260 --> 01:38:01,980
specifically in the size of the play container.

1374
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,380
But as again, you can see one of the things that we always hear is shade, shade, shade,

1375
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,640
for parents, make sense, kids, make sense.

1376
01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:14,480
This is again one of them we have fortunate enough to have a decent amount of shade,

1377
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:16,320
throughout the entire park and in this vicinity.

1378
01:38:17,740 --> 01:38:25,560
So, we would look at, as I indicated here, just moments ago, there are no swings.

1379
01:38:26,900 --> 01:38:30,760
So as you, as I've been familiar with Southern Lakes, one of the things that we needed to

1380
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:36,340
do is to expand the plate container to accommodate the fall and safety zones that are

1381
01:38:36,340 --> 01:38:37,260
required for swings.

1382
01:38:38,580 --> 01:38:42,140
So, excuse my sketchiness here to no pun intended.

1383
01:38:43,380 --> 01:38:46,220
This yellow line represents a current play container.

1384
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:57,620
We look at cutting that out, if you will, and expanding outwardly, which is technically, I think, the west, removing a bunch, and we remove one of those troops.

1385
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,060
Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

1386
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,280
So, I know that's not what anybody wants to hear at all.

1387
01:39:05,780 --> 01:39:09,860
So, given what we currently do with removal of trees, not idea.

1388
01:39:09,860 --> 01:39:12,740
So I didn't get it earlier that we have a nursery.

1389
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:15,860
We would look at planting a couple more trees

1390
01:39:15,860 --> 01:39:17,260
and move it with losing one.

1391
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:18,880
So again, not ideal.

1392
01:39:19,940 --> 01:39:22,500
But in order to look at expanded as a play container,

1393
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,780
in any direction, you would have to go west.

1394
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:29,680
Maybe this is a dumb question,

1395
01:39:29,740 --> 01:39:31,460
because I don't see the scale of it,

1396
01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:35,620
but instead of it going horizontally,

1397
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,380
could you not make that vertical and not lose a tree?

1398
01:39:39,980 --> 01:39:44,820
So do you mean to come up to come straight out to make the swings go this way?

1399
01:39:45,220 --> 01:39:49,040
Can you just like go around the trees and then open it up on the other side?

1400
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:50,280
Yeah, like come and go like...

1401
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,160
I mean, if you need a specific amount of space, right?

1402
01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:54,860
It's a rectangle you're looking at.

1403
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:56,860
Can't the rectangle go this way.

1404
01:39:57,800 --> 01:39:58,000
Result.

1405
01:39:58,140 --> 01:39:58,580
Internially.

1406
01:39:58,880 --> 01:39:59,080
Okay.

1407
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,740
Any challenges and I'll let our city force or comment on it? The closer you get those concrete,

1408
01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:09,920
play containers to routes, they die in top of all of them. But I'll let our force or comment on that.

1409
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:16,240
That is correct. We tend to interrupt the root zone, compaction, internal have to routes, in effect,

1410
01:40:16,380 --> 01:40:20,480
the trees. So, anyway, we're going to continue.

1411
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:21,600
We're going to continue. We're going to continue.

1412
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:23,300
We're going to continue.

1413
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,980
We're going to continue.

1414
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:33,180
of the flatest, most open space to add on the container.

1415
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:34,580
Got it.

1416
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:35,720
Again, that idea.

1417
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:40,940
And as a reminder to this body and for some of you maybe new to this commission, we actually

1418
01:40:40,940 --> 01:40:43,080
have what we also call a true preservation plan.

1419
01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:49,040
So we have a fund based on developers that are required to do a certain level.

1420
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:53,920
Plant replacement of the clear their property for development, which then in this case,

1421
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,020
we would also look at utilizing that fund.

1422
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,140
Also to put plantings in this particular park.

1423
01:40:59,140 --> 01:41:03,220
So, we do have funding to replace these trees as well.

1424
01:41:03,780 --> 01:41:05,720
Question, kind of related and related.

1425
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:12,300
Do you always replace trees that are lost due to different reasons?

1426
01:41:12,620 --> 01:41:18,000
Like for example, there were some storm that damaged some tracing of wood.

1427
01:41:18,180 --> 01:41:20,980
Are those going to be replaced with the ones you have in the nursery?

1428
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:23,800
I get a lot of pressure content I respond to that.

1429
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:28,900
Yeah, particularly we do, unless the treaty would happen to be in a bad location, the ones

1430
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:33,700
that you are talking about at what was the majority of them will be replaced.

1431
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:39,480
Some of them along the trail that were too close, obviously won't, you know, there were wild

1432
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:44,620
trees, anyways, not necessarily planted, and there's a couple others up top that will not

1433
01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:45,320
be replaced.

1434
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:50,220
But the ones tell me the player, I'm thinking you're talking about, will be replaced.

1435
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:51,700
Great, thank you.

1436
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:54,740
And every year, during that part of that tree preservation plan,

1437
01:41:55,220 --> 01:42:01,600
we're seeing a forester along with our public works team and stormwater team.

1438
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,460
We look at where we can plant this on trees every year.

1439
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,260
So I can't remember, what do you, how many trees are we planting this year?

1440
01:42:07,260 --> 01:42:09,060
Just out of that fund alone.

1441
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:11,480
Sorry to put you on the spot, Brian.

1442
01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:15,280
Over 50 so far, but I still plan to do a fall planting.

1443
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,680
So then we'll probably add additional 30 to 40.

1444
01:42:20,460 --> 01:42:26,840
Again, not ideal, by any stretch, the news I want to report, but just something to consider.

1445
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:37,530
So, I think, oops, that was not what I wanted to do to be back to my pointer.

1446
01:42:42,150 --> 01:42:45,330
So this is just a little bit of a deal if you weren't on the tour, so this kind of shows

1447
01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:46,150
a little bit more.

1448
01:42:58,740 --> 01:43:03,240
So as it comes to community engagement, I think this is the important factor of a lot

1449
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,420
of the things that the reason is why we do what we do.

1450
01:43:05,420 --> 01:43:11,700
So, following the kind of modeling that we did with the Southern Lakes Park and the VMCC

1451
01:43:11,700 --> 01:43:17,680
playground replacement park or playground replacement at the park, we started this particular

1452
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,320
process of engagement about seven months prior to any level of insulation.

1453
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:26,920
That gives us the opportunity to different mechanisms of engagement to really hear from

1454
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:33,060
the community, both broad community as a whole, but also within the neighborhood as well.

1455
01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:41,880
So that same approach is what we'll do and I'll speak to this slide here shortly, but I wanted to break down kind of what we're doing for that engagement.

1456
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,660
So as you see on the previous slide you'll see a postcard.

1457
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,960
That is a survey with the QR code that has opened to all of our city residents.

1458
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:54,540
It opened last week's September 2nd and I'll go through the 20 second or 23rd.

1459
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:59,880
That survey will be posted to our website on our current future projects page.

1460
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:04,880
Also be social media campaign, which if you follow social media page, it's already up there.

1461
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:07,620
We'll also do an on-site open house.

1462
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:14,280
Act, see for how a park itself, on Tuesday, October 21st, from 5, 6, 30 pm.

1463
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:16,940
So invite all commissioners to come.

1464
01:44:17,180 --> 01:44:17,740
Be a part of that.

1465
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:18,720
It's a great experience.

1466
01:44:19,900 --> 01:44:24,360
And then postcard that you just seen was sent to over about a thousand residents in that neighborhood.

1467
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:31,700
So, they have direct knowledge of what's happening within postpartics proximity to that particular

1468
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:37,300
park, and that either the user survey for coming to the open house.

1469
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:44,620
I can report as of June, or June, September of last week, which is June, I keep saying

1470
01:44:44,620 --> 01:44:52,960
June, what was last Friday, was that day, fifth, fifth, we had over a hundred survey respondents.

1471
01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:55,200
It has opened for five days.

1472
01:44:56,140 --> 01:44:59,960
So again, when you open it broadly to the community, you've got all types of different response.

1473
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,420
Comments, which I will report these out to the, to the, to the, to the, to the practice of.

1474
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:25,700
So as we look at a timeline, we have a meeting set up with flagship, LSI. That is the same group that did Southern Lakes. It is the same group that did fell valley and same group that did here to Jules park. The way we're able to select directly working with this vendor is they are on the state contract.

1475
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:34,700
And if vendors on a state contract, we're able to work directly with them and not necessarily go through the bidding process or RFP process.

1476
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:41,680
Great product, great quality, so we chose and to utilize them, so they'll be working with us as a design team.

1477
01:45:42,660 --> 01:45:50,700
So shortly after we get the survey results, again we'll meet with flagship between September 24th and 29th.

1478
01:45:50,700 --> 01:45:53,500
For the next kind of several weeks after that,

1479
01:45:53,580 --> 01:45:55,560
a flagship will start working on plumerant designs

1480
01:45:55,560 --> 01:46:00,100
based on the server results and feedback from staff.

1481
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:02,940
Also, at that time, at the end of that,

1482
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,160
we'll be able to only present those preliminary designs

1483
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,340
to that open house.

1484
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,280
Hey, we've heard feedback.

1485
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:10,440
Here's what could end up,

1486
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:11,720
probably a couple of different options.

1487
01:46:12,460 --> 01:46:13,680
flagship will be there.

1488
01:46:14,020 --> 01:46:15,220
They're going to want to listen,

1489
01:46:16,180 --> 01:46:18,060
and we'll really try to gauge and

1490
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:20,260
collect the debt of what people like or don't like.

1491
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,640
And then we'll allow us after that to do any refinements

1492
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:29,200
from October 27th through the 31st and then also me again.

1493
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,160
The reason you're announcement, you got a work session.

1494
01:46:31,700 --> 01:46:33,940
On November 12th, we will bring those two options.

1495
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:37,060
I need tweaks and feedbacks for you as a commission

1496
01:46:37,060 --> 01:46:39,060
to select one of the two options.

1497
01:46:40,580 --> 01:46:44,000
And then at that 12th meeting, the regular scheduled meeting

1498
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:50,720
at seven, we will ask you to provide a recommendation for Council to approve the authorization

1499
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:55,880
to purchase in year 2025 so we could take advantage of 2025 pricing.

1500
01:46:56,660 --> 01:47:05,340
Then that will allow us then to more than likely do some level of deconstruction of the

1501
01:47:05,340 --> 01:47:08,320
current playgrounds, containers so that we are one of the first things to happen right

1502
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:13,920
in the spring. So that we're going to hopefully open early spring or late spring, early summer

1503
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:14,720
of next year.

1504
01:47:16,780 --> 01:47:17,500
Any questions?

1505
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:26,760
Our decisions on November 12th back to back. Is that correct? So as you look at the work session

1506
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:31,820
on November 12th at 5 p.m., this particular one will vet all the final of the two options.

1507
01:47:32,540 --> 01:47:35,860
Say what you like or don't like or if you want to just say it and we prefer this one.

1508
01:47:35,860 --> 01:47:38,320
Then, at the following meeting, we will

1509
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,340
still present it as a brand new, not brand new project,

1510
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:44,740
but without knowing and understanding

1511
01:47:44,740 --> 01:47:46,900
what the actual recommendation was from the five o'clock,

1512
01:47:47,180 --> 01:47:49,580
I'll include in the packet or the presentation,

1513
01:47:50,060 --> 01:47:50,980
and then ask for recommendation.

1514
01:47:54,810 --> 01:47:55,490
Other questions?

1515
01:47:56,230 --> 01:47:58,770
I get a quick one, because I'm bummed about the tree.

1516
01:47:59,470 --> 01:48:03,370
Could you do a separate, like, satellite container for swings?

1517
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:05,170
Like, do they have to be connected?

1518
01:48:05,170 --> 01:48:15,970
And we could, you know, typically we'd run with one container that houses the two to

1519
01:48:15,970 --> 01:48:21,310
five age group, the five to twelve age group, and then stand alone pieces plus swings.

1520
01:48:22,630 --> 01:48:27,390
I guess if we had a separate container that would probably now we'd have to bring sidewalk

1521
01:48:27,390 --> 01:48:31,910
around the container somehow or off the trails somehow, two of the new container,

1522
01:48:34,090 --> 01:48:34,370
not saying

1523
01:48:34,370 --> 01:48:40,770
we can't, but is possibility and that's the reason why the price will up because we'll have

1524
01:48:40,770 --> 01:48:42,730
to have trail leading up to it.

1525
01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:43,090
Cool.

1526
01:48:43,290 --> 01:48:44,790
Thank you.

1527
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,800
And again, I'm not asking for any formal action, just want to give it up to that.

1528
01:48:52,580 --> 01:48:53,140
Thank you, Adam.

1529
01:48:53,380 --> 01:48:53,540
Yep.

1530
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:54,720
Now we can take a break.

1531
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:55,560
Please sit down.

1532
01:48:58,180 --> 01:48:58,540
All right.

1533
01:48:58,580 --> 01:49:03,460
We're going to go on to administrative presentations and our park superintendent Brian

1534
01:49:03,460 --> 01:49:03,920
Fulbodette.

1535
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,420
Would you give a report to us, please?

1536
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:06,320
Sure.

1537
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:15,320
Good evening chair commissioners, as you probably all aware, falls in the air here and it's

1538
01:49:16,460 --> 01:49:23,280
a very, very busy fall. The rain is not stopped. The grass continues to grow. I get three

1539
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:29,200
remaining seasonals and some tired full time employees besides but we're making the best of what

1540
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:35,960
we can do out there. Walter, I'm continuing to happen every weekend again all the way through

1541
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:36,880
the end of September.

1542
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:43,920
Our picnic shelters in rentals have been very busy with, you know, typically for every weekend

1543
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:48,720
in South Valley, a couple of the swing bridge at Rich Valley.

1544
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:54,780
So that takes up, you know, a lot of weekend hours preparing and turn over ball fields

1545
01:49:54,780 --> 01:49:59,040
and cleaning bathrooms and preparing for the next picnic to come in.

1546
01:49:59,600 --> 01:49:59,680
Cool.

1547
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,980
Crews also been doing a lot of landscape means, throughout our park system, you know, trimming

1548
01:50:04,980 --> 01:50:12,020
drums, poem, weeds, span, replacing plants, that sort of stuff. We've also been working on

1549
01:50:12,020 --> 01:50:18,100
stump grinding. We had some storm damage. We had about 25 trees out there that either were storm

1550
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:24,180
damage or died for some reason or not. So we had a stump scroll and now are working on a tree replacement

1551
01:50:24,180 --> 01:50:26,320
plan to get those replaced.

1552
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:31,180
We also have a few irrigation issues out there.

1553
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:35,600
So at the time of the year, we'd like to get that sort of stuff fixed before we do

1554
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:41,320
bolts and we typically do irrigation bolts, a middle of October, so we're trying to make sure

1555
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:48,180
the systems are still running correctly the way they should, even though the rates and times

1556
01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:52,260
have been way lower just through the random month that we've had this year.

1557
01:50:52,500 --> 01:50:54,020
They've been actually very little.

1558
01:50:55,060 --> 01:50:57,300
So when we do turn them on, we do see leaks.

1559
01:50:57,700 --> 01:50:59,040
We see heads that aren't moving.

1560
01:50:59,900 --> 01:51:00,700
That's sort of stuff.

1561
01:51:02,620 --> 01:51:03,980
Cruise also been busy.

1562
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:08,740
We have a lot of natural area trails through the woods like Maryana Ranch

1563
01:51:08,740 --> 01:51:12,180
and Harman Park Bike Reserve.

1564
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:17,740
There's probably close to 15 miles of those types of trails that need to be

1565
01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:24,140
not on a regular basis, but, you know, every four to six weeks and with this year with all the rain,

1566
01:51:25,020 --> 01:51:30,660
it is every four weeks. We need to mobile or getting complaints that the grass is too high to even bike through.

1567
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:36,680
So, also been busy because, you know, keeping up painting soccer fields, football fields,

1568
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:40,960
fall lines, you know, all those fall sports that are out there.

1569
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:48,660
And we have about three weeks left, a fall sports in our owner park system, for that

1570
01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:55,120
we'll take back a little bit on maintenance, so morning we'll probably continue through

1571
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:59,260
mid-October, and then we'll be leaving clean up of course.

1572
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:07,640
The crew's also been anticipating doing a prescribed burn at the period here to do its

1573
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:15,500
Park, so we're in the process of cutting burn breaks to contain the fire, going around

1574
01:52:15,500 --> 01:52:22,940
a lot of fence lines at the dog park underneath electric standards, that sort of stuff.

1575
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:29,940
Other projects heritage village park has come along very nicely, they've been working

1576
01:52:29,940 --> 01:52:40,040
on the port and place rubble of the playground, there probably be six or seven into it.

1577
01:52:40,180 --> 01:52:45,980
It's looking very nice, they're into putting the colors and the schema on that, anticipate

1578
01:52:45,980 --> 01:52:48,140
they finish with the port and place by the end of the week.

1579
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:56,000
They've also been pouring the remaining concrete there, so they think they got the nine shade

1580
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:56,500
structure.

1581
01:52:56,500 --> 01:53:02,800
Footings left to do, but otherwise the concrete work will be done, we're on mobile week

1582
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:09,240
two of the curing process, so in another couple of weeks we'll be starting with after being

1583
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:14,760
needs to sit for 30 days before we put the final quote on the actual splash pad with the features

1584
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:24,680
are going to be. I don't know, so getting involved the West Wheel at Rich Valley is no longer

1585
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:30,760
being used for the season, it's just the east field with all the baseball fields, so we're

1586
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:37,680
anticipating doing a restoration on the infields. We have, on the edge, lips of the infields,

1587
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:43,140
they're really bad and hazardous, so we're going to start working on some of those.

1588
01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:48,700
We're also going to get a punch list of items at South Valley Park that we're going to continue to work

1589
01:53:48,700 --> 01:53:57,500
to get the turf to more established fixing erosion problems and handful of other things.

1590
01:53:58,980 --> 01:54:05,380
The goats, that's all family. They're doing very well. We're re-grazing them now.

1591
01:54:05,660 --> 01:54:12,700
They're on the third paddock, so basically they're on the second round on the third pad.

1592
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:20,060
There are still lots of people going to see him and where are the bullets at, so it's

1593
01:54:20,060 --> 01:54:21,320
been neat to see.

1594
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:30,840
Let's see a few weeks ago I got a post by employee that he put in his resignation.

1595
01:54:32,780 --> 01:54:39,760
So that employee will be leaving September 26th, so I'm also been in the process of posting that

1596
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,800
and reharing them as soon as possible.

1597
01:54:44,140 --> 01:54:46,480
Other than that, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1598
01:54:49,170 --> 01:54:50,830
Thank you, Brian. Any questions?

1599
01:54:51,610 --> 01:54:55,550
Is there a hawk still that's out of value or how they...

1600
01:54:55,550 --> 01:54:59,190
I believe it's young, grew up in full waste,

1601
01:54:59,370 --> 01:54:59,950
so it's not super...

1602
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,760
Detective any more, I have not heard of anybody being chased all the way.

1603
01:55:04,820 --> 01:55:06,340
It's a hoff, did you say?

1604
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:15,210
Yeah, actually, I was at the Grove Swimming and there was a hawk that flew into the window twice.

1605
01:55:15,650 --> 01:55:19,670
I don't know if it saw its reflection or what, but it was like, boom, it was loud.

1606
01:55:20,250 --> 01:55:21,470
It was like these are some strong windows.

1607
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:22,130
Think goodness.

1608
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:24,230
Oh, in the hawk is okay.

1609
01:55:24,630 --> 01:55:24,830
Yeah.

1610
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:30,570
Okay. Any other questions, comments?

1611
01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:36,850
for Brian. Thank you, sir. And now we'll have Julie Dorshak, who's our

1612
01:55:36,850 --> 01:55:39,290
recreation superintendent, would you give a snub date, please?

1613
01:55:39,730 --> 01:55:41,890
I will do that. I could even aim, Chair Cook, and I was with the

1614
01:55:41,890 --> 01:55:46,730
commission. Quick, community center update. Our fall membership

1615
01:55:46,730 --> 01:55:51,270
special is going to be starting tomorrow. If you register between September

1616
01:55:51,270 --> 01:55:56,530
11th and October 10th, we've reduced the enrollment fee to $25, right?

1617
01:55:56,530 --> 01:55:59,470
than the $79 that's typically charged.

1618
01:56:01,570 --> 01:56:03,990
As Brian said, as we head into the fall season,

1619
01:56:04,110 --> 01:56:06,830
people start becoming more active in the community center.

1620
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:11,050
The girls swim team also came back to for their season,

1621
01:56:11,170 --> 01:56:12,230
which goes through November.

1622
01:56:13,150 --> 01:56:15,790
They utilize our facility, the aquatic center from three to six

1623
01:56:15,790 --> 01:56:18,470
every Monday through Friday, and then also some Saturday

1624
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:22,050
morning times, and so that does impact our members swimming.

1625
01:56:22,490 --> 01:56:25,910
As specs a little bit, but that's part of our contract with them

1626
01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:31,210
that's expected, and that's kind of an ongoing part of our program that we have run at the Community

1627
01:56:31,210 --> 01:56:38,370
Center. Also a couple of fitness updates. Our fitness offices were recently remodeled

1628
01:56:38,370 --> 01:56:44,930
last week, so it's a much needed improvement for our fitness staff to have an environment

1629
01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:49,450
that's welcoming for our customers. People that come in and have a personal training meeting

1630
01:56:49,450 --> 01:56:54,950
with our staff, and there's a gathering place for them, as well as for our two new staff members

1631
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:59,670
to have their office combined and they can work in the same office space.

1632
01:57:00,050 --> 01:57:05,710
So it's the first time that we've done that in a number of years of the previous office furniture

1633
01:57:05,710 --> 01:57:07,450
was kind of piecemeal together.

1634
01:57:08,030 --> 01:57:08,950
So it really looks nice.

1635
01:57:09,230 --> 01:57:12,670
Go down and feel free to stop in and say hi and check out the new furniture.

1636
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:17,830
And then also at the end of this month, we're going to be replacing our fitness flooring.

1637
01:57:18,350 --> 01:57:23,830
So that's going to have a substantial impact on our fitness space for about a week's time.

1638
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:31,490
We'll take some time to create other optional spaces for people to be able to work out because we have to remove everything out of the fitness area.

1639
01:57:32,290 --> 01:57:37,050
And then move it to, we're going to move the strength training equipment into the bright side room.

1640
01:57:37,230 --> 01:57:40,090
And then move the cardio equipment into the pool side room.

1641
01:57:40,510 --> 01:57:44,290
And there's a conference room right there that the birthday party space.

1642
01:57:44,810 --> 01:57:53,750
So the areas will be changed a little bit while we're doing our best to accommodate and create additional spaces for our customers to be able to

1643
01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:59,730
I believe our fitness staff is also going to create a circuit area along the track or portion

1644
01:57:59,730 --> 01:58:00,610
of the track upstairs.

1645
01:58:00,930 --> 01:58:07,730
And so, again, doing our best to create an optional space and create some fun new, maybe exercise

1646
01:58:07,730 --> 01:58:13,870
routines for people to try out while the space is being revised and updated with an improved

1647
01:58:14,890 --> 01:58:15,450
look.

1648
01:58:17,450 --> 01:58:20,270
What else do I want to tell you when is going to happen?

1649
01:58:20,650 --> 01:58:20,930
Pardon me?

1650
01:58:21,050 --> 01:58:22,210
What is that going to happen?

1651
01:58:22,210 --> 01:58:28,510
It starts some of the, some of the equipment will be start to be moved on September 29th

1652
01:58:28,510 --> 01:58:31,190
and it should be completed by October 5th.

1653
01:58:31,310 --> 01:58:38,390
I believe that Monday it'll be ready for customers to go into the new to the revised fitness space.

1654
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:39,650
Thank you.

1655
01:58:40,710 --> 01:58:43,150
There'll be plenty of signage around.

1656
01:58:43,390 --> 01:58:45,150
We're going to start communicating it out.

1657
01:58:45,290 --> 01:58:47,670
We've sent out member emails already letting people know.

1658
01:58:47,670 --> 01:58:52,050
But there will be daily science that will let people know, like, go to this space for this

1659
01:58:52,050 --> 01:58:55,590
equipment, go here for this equipment, or go here for the strength training equipment.

1660
01:58:55,810 --> 01:59:00,810
So there will be plenty of information coming for people to know where they can go and where

1661
01:59:00,810 --> 01:59:04,210
they can utilize their equipment to that their typical routines.

1662
01:59:04,990 --> 01:59:07,610
The biggest impact will more than likely be our treadmills.

1663
01:59:07,790 --> 01:59:13,870
We don't have enough electrical spaces in order to house the number of treadmills that we typically

1664
01:59:13,870 --> 01:59:15,330
have on the floor.

1665
01:59:15,330 --> 01:59:18,730
so we'll have at least some options and then, like I said,

1666
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:21,690
we'll create other options for people to utilize

1667
01:59:21,690 --> 01:59:23,590
to get their workouts in.

1668
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:30,250
Then I'm moving on to our regular recreation programs.

1669
01:59:30,650 --> 01:59:32,830
As Brian said, all the work that he does,

1670
01:59:33,010 --> 01:59:34,730
we have to, to the sum degree,

1671
01:59:34,750 --> 01:59:37,790
we're the ones that in our department that create those rental permits

1672
01:59:37,790 --> 01:59:40,430
and create those and schedule those activities out.

1673
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:43,950
And so our staff are busy doing that.

1674
01:59:43,950 --> 01:59:51,070
We currently have 311 programs that are being offered right now, and we have about a

1675
01:59:51,070 --> 01:59:56,010
1,081 participants that have registered for those programs, those are things like

1676
01:59:56,010 --> 01:59:58,710
football, soccer, swimming lessons, et cetera.

1677
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:10,720
On September 19th, we're going to be offering our 30th year of the 5th quarter event. It's a collaborative program that we offer with the school district with the Spark program.

1678
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:20,680
And so at that, we usually have up to, well, actually last year, we had over 200 students participate in that, that it were in grade 6 through 8.

1679
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:28,080
So we actually closed on it's after the BMCC closes, we started at 9.30 at night and we go to 11.30 at night.

1680
02:00:28,540 --> 02:00:36,540
And we opened up our facility for those young people who come in and have fun and we create different stations and activities for them to participate.

1681
02:00:37,300 --> 02:00:41,620
It's really great, really well attended events and it's a lot of fun.

1682
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:47,020
And then I'll talk a lot about some of the fall programs that he has coming up.

1683
02:00:47,020 --> 02:00:54,020
I'm going to skip those that I have on my list and then we just have a lot of ongoing tasks which I think I've mentioned to you all in the past.

1684
02:00:54,360 --> 02:01:00,020
Working on the 2026 budget kind of finishing and refining that while entering the 2025 budget.

1685
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:15,220
Software review is ongoing or narrowing that down and hoping to have a decision in the next 30 to 60 days on a future facility and reservations software program that would replace the current.

1686
02:01:15,940 --> 02:01:19,220
software system that we have, which just doesn't really work very well for us.

1687
02:01:20,380 --> 02:01:21,580
Can I ask a question about that?

1688
02:01:21,860 --> 02:01:21,900
Yes.

1689
02:01:21,900 --> 02:01:26,560
Within your software system, is there a possibility of making it so that guest passes or electronically

1690
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:27,720
charted?

1691
02:01:27,980 --> 02:01:28,420
Absolutely.

1692
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:29,540
Thank you.

1693
02:01:29,940 --> 02:01:30,040
Yes.

1694
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:33,240
I mean, so many improvements.

1695
02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:36,420
I was just telling Adam today.

1696
02:01:36,460 --> 02:01:41,160
We had another meeting with them this morning, so we went through the financial aspects of

1697
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:41,740
the software.

1698
02:01:41,740 --> 02:01:49,080
and I don't want to get too excited because you know, it always feels like it's maybe

1699
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:55,800
too good to be true, but it sure feels like it's a really great software company and what I'm

1700
02:01:55,800 --> 02:02:02,320
hearing about the customers that are currently utilizing the software. There's no red flags,

1701
02:02:02,460 --> 02:02:07,940
there's no significant issues with the software from what I'm hearing, so very cautiously

1702
02:02:07,940 --> 02:02:11,580
optimistic that it's going to be a huge improvement for us. I mean obviously there's a

1703
02:02:11,580 --> 02:02:16,300
a lot of work to do to transition to that new software system and it's going to take a lot of time

1704
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:21,880
and planning, but we're excited to get moving towards that.

1705
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:26,560
Well, it makes sure that I scan the right kid with the right card when I come in with my

1706
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:27,160
three kids.

1707
02:02:27,260 --> 02:02:32,600
We should be able to have iPads that would then you would just scan and go like you would just

1708
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:38,160
be able to have your user, you know, they would have an app and you would have your QR code

1709
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:38,260
right?

1710
02:02:38,300 --> 02:02:39,540
Oh, that's so cute.

1711
02:02:39,540 --> 02:02:43,520
just, you know, I signed into the activity that you registered for and it would pop up and say,

1712
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:48,880
are you here for swimming lessons or are you here, you know? So at least that's what it sounds like.

1713
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:54,440
So a lot more to come or since it's just in the demoing stage, but as we began transitioning and

1714
02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:59,540
starting to implement the software where we're very cautiously optimistic that it's going to be a

1715
02:02:59,540 --> 02:03:02,660
great improvement. You have to be better than what we have.

1716
02:03:04,780 --> 02:03:06,740
I think that that's really the majority

1717
02:03:06,740 --> 02:03:10,640
of my update, and we're also obviously starting to work on our winter, but I'm sure.

1718
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:12,900
I'll stand for any questions.

1719
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:13,460
Great.

1720
02:03:14,220 --> 02:03:14,920
Thank you.

1721
02:03:15,220 --> 02:03:17,080
Julie, very much.

1722
02:03:17,340 --> 02:03:18,820
Any questions for Julie?

1723
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:21,400
I just have a comment.

1724
02:03:22,420 --> 02:03:27,600
I already texted out because I thought his presentation was awesome, but it's, so I've worked

1725
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:32,520
of them forever, but it's so awesome to see him like really jumping into it.

1726
02:03:32,660 --> 02:03:36,620
He's so enthusiastic about it, so I feel like we're really lucky to have somebody

1727
02:03:36,620 --> 02:03:40,400
you know in charge who's that excited about it.

1728
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,540
That's energy. Yes. Yes.

1729
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:45,580
Thank you. I'll show that with them. Thank you.

1730
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:49,540
Okay. Anything else? Thank you, Julie. Very much.

1731
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:54,420
And Adam, it's back to you. Please, for the Park Superintendent,

1732
02:03:54,700 --> 02:03:59,680
I was given you for the, well, for the whole director update business.

1733
02:04:00,580 --> 02:04:02,420
Do you want to have any comments? Excuse me.

1734
02:04:02,420 --> 02:04:05,520
Oh, I do. Are you sure? You want to think about that?

1735
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:07,080
Do you really write it such a wonderful job?

1736
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:08,720
I don't have any additional jobs?

1737
02:04:09,500 --> 02:04:09,720
Amazing.

1738
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:14,500
Does anybody have any questions for Adam or a comment, sir?

1739
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:20,600
Once again, things just seem to view running so well here,

1740
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:22,700
and I participate four days a week,

1741
02:04:23,380 --> 02:04:26,040
and it's just a pleasure to be here,

1742
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:34,880
and so much energy, and so well running,

1743
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:39,920
and then, of course, in our park system, just we, it's a jewel, you know, we have here.

1744
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:44,060
And so, thank you, thank you all so much for what you do.

1745
02:04:44,300 --> 02:04:46,040
And Adam, for the leadership we provide.

1746
02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:53,960
And at this point, we're going to go to Commissioner comments to see kind of,

1747
02:04:54,240 --> 02:04:59,100
try to keep it to 30 minutes, if you would each, that would be appreciated at this hour.

1748
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,620
Niki, what do you have? No, it's past my bedtime, I've got nothing. You don't have me? No, okay. Look.

1749
02:05:07,260 --> 02:05:16,240
St. We're good. Good night. Sandy, leave it. Thank you, everyone. OK, no comment. I don't have no comment. The goodness gracious.

1750
02:05:17,540 --> 02:05:24,000
All right, we've come to the end of another meeting and I will entertain a motion to adjourn this particular meeting.

1751
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,860
Some of these are second.

1752
02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:27,520
I'll second.

1753
02:05:28,580 --> 02:05:29,340
Nicky seconds.

1754
02:05:29,860 --> 02:05:31,740
All in favor of returning the meeting.

1755
02:05:32,440 --> 02:05:33,960
Please signify by saying aye.

1756
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:34,440
Aye.

1757
02:05:34,680 --> 02:05:34,720
Aye.

1758
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:35,300
The opposed.

1759
02:05:35,740 --> 02:05:36,000
All right.

1760
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:36,500
We're adjourned.