1 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:57,620 Go over some housekeeping items first. Excuse me. Good evening, I will call on planning commissioners to speak on public item one by one. Each public item one by one, following staff's presentation. When speaking, please announce your name and speak slowly. Each item will require motion and a roll call vote. 2 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,680 three minutes except applicants may have longer comment periods. I would like to remind everyone to 3 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:20,320 please place your microphones on mute when you are not speaking. So at this point a special meeting 4 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,420 of the North Planning Commission is called to order and let's begin with the flag salute please. 5 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,300 Please stand if you're able put your hand over your heart ready begin. 6 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:05,100 First on agenda is approval of the minutes of the special planning commission meeting of August 12th, 2026, can I have a motion? 7 00:10:07,970 --> 00:10:14,590 I'll approve the I move to approve the minutes of the special planning commission meeting of August 12th, 2026, as submitted. 8 00:10:14,590 --> 00:10:17,670 All right, I'll second that roll call, please. 9 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:20,250 Commissioner Maceeyes. 10 00:10:20,690 --> 00:10:20,870 Aye. 11 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:22,690 Commissioner Vanola Salas. 12 00:10:23,010 --> 00:10:23,190 Aye. 13 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:24,170 Yeah, Abu Daga. 14 00:10:24,610 --> 00:10:24,990 Aye. 15 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:32,910 Next on the agenda is a public hearing to consider Director Approval Request, number 2026-09 16 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:37,990 and conditional use permit, number 2026-04. 17 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:40,590 Ruth, public notice information, please. 18 00:10:41,450 --> 00:10:43,870 Yeah, Abu Daga, a name of the planning commission. 19 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:52,970 On August the 13th, notice of this public hearing was mailed to 127 property owners within 20 00:10:52,970 --> 00:10:59,790 a 500-foot radius posted at the city's three designated posting sites and published 21 00:10:59,790 --> 00:11:03,090 in the Norwalk Patriot on August the 14th. 22 00:11:03,090 --> 00:11:05,330 As of today, no response has been received. 23 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:06,570 All right. 24 00:11:06,770 --> 00:11:07,190 Thank you, Ruth. 25 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:08,450 Staffer, please. 26 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,150 Thank you, Chair. 27 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:14,350 are we have our assistant planner, Stephanie Topia, 28 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:16,430 who will be providing the presentation. 29 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:18,930 Okay, thank you. 30 00:11:26,690 --> 00:11:29,170 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 31 00:11:30,950 --> 00:11:34,010 The item before you tonight is Director of Provo Request 32 00:11:34,010 --> 00:11:39,050 number 2026-09, and conditional use permit number 33 00:11:39,050 --> 00:11:46,810 2026-04 for Norway Gonzales Market, located at 11660 34 00:11:46,810 --> 00:11:48,330 Firestone Boulevard. 35 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,840 The subject site is located at the southwest corner of 36 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,320 Firestone Boulevard and Pioneer Boulevard. The property is approximately 9 at 37 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:07,400 4.97 acres and is developed with the existing Norway grocery market. The site 38 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,980 has a general plan designation of General Commercial. The surrounding areas are 39 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:19,920 consists primarily of general commercial users to the north, east, and west, and residential 40 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:26,320 users to the south. The neighboring residential use to the south is buffered by an approximately 41 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,560 a hundred-foot-wide section of railroad right away. 42 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:37,540 Norge has historically operated as a neighborhood 43 00:12:37,540 --> 00:12:45,980 grocery market serving residents of Norwok since 2007. In 2007, the planning commission approved 44 00:12:45,980 --> 00:12:54,660 approved precise development plan number 1777 for an interior and exterior remodel that 45 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:56,100 established the current Norway. 46 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:03,780 Including the existing bona fide restaurant with indoor and outdoor dining, operations similar 47 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:06,140 to a food court or a food hall. 48 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:15,600 In the same year, conditional use permit number A61 was approved for ABC type 21 of sale 49 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:22,240 general license establishing operational standards for alcohol sales including restrictions 50 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,980 on the sales of single containers and alcohol beverages. 51 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:35,700 In 2016, conditional use permit number 936 was approved for the instructional testing 52 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,320 under ABC type 86 license. 53 00:13:39,340 --> 00:13:46,420 Norway has an established grocery market, restaurant, and alcohol operation that requires 54 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:51,780 before the commission involved modifications and additions to the existing operations. 55 00:13:56,510 --> 00:14:03,030 The applicant is proposing to expand the existing Norway into American-style dining experience. 56 00:14:03,530 --> 00:14:11,950 The proposed renovations include specialty food puestos, a bar, a bar area, an expanded 57 00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:18,010 indoor seating and improvements intend to enhance the connection between the 58 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:24,190 market, dining and patio areas. The applicant identifies the cost-a-mess allocation 59 00:14:24,190 --> 00:14:31,070 as the first Norway to introduce the mercado concept. For reference the cost-a-mess 60 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:37,950 mercado includes culinary kiosk, indoor and outdoor dining, a bar, entertainment 61 00:14:37,950 --> 00:14:43,450 space and other improvements. I want to clarify that this proposed 62 00:14:43,450 --> 00:14:46,690 Mercado renovations are separated from the entitlements 63 00:14:46,690 --> 00:14:53,930 currently proposed before the commission. The request before the commission to 64 00:14:53,930 --> 00:14:59,970 29, D-A-R number 2026-309, and C-U-P-20-— 65 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Section 26-04, as specifically related to the proposed on-site alcohol and life entertainment component, and the modification of the existing of the alcohol condition. The Mercado renovations itself is now what the commission is being asked to approve through this application. 66 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:39,260 For the commission's reference on page number six, the following images illustrate the existing Mercado concept. 67 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:46,060 at Norgate Costa Mesa location. As shown, the concept incorporates specialty food 68 00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:53,140 puestos indoor dining and bar areas, as well as outdoor dining areas. This 69 00:15:53,140 --> 00:15:57,380 provides a commission with an example of the Mercado concept that the applicant 70 00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:59,880 is proposing to bring to the Norwalk location. 71 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,940 There are two related requests 72 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:11,040 before the commission tonight. The applicant is requesting director approval 73 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:19,660 request number 2026-09 to allow the Ancillary Self of Beer, Wine, and Distilled Spirits 74 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:27,440 alcohol beverage control ABCI-47 license for on-site consumption and live entertainment 75 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:34,740 as far as the bona fide restaurant operations within Norgegon Salas Market, Norgegate and 76 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:41,240 In conditional use primary number 2026-04, to modify the conditions of the existing 77 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:49,260 CUP number 861 to allow Norge to sell single containers of beer, wine, and distilled 78 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:54,320 spirits for off-site consortium under ABC type 21 license. 79 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,840 The Norge is located within an existing 4.97 acre shopping center. 80 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:10,420 It is designed with customer parking and vehicular circulation areas surrounding the building. 81 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,100 The existing site configuration will remain the same. 82 00:17:15,820 --> 00:17:23,120 No exterior building additions or expansions of the existing building footprint are proposed as part of this application. 83 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:24,200 The 84 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:38,540 subject site is developed with approximately 57,081 square-footed market operated by Norge 85 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:39,540 Gonzalez Market. 86 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:46,460 The storefront also includes El Patio de Dognadina, which serves as an outdoor dining area. 87 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:53,380 I would like to show the commission the existing interior conditions of the Norge Market. 88 00:17:53,380 --> 00:18:00,500 As shown in these pictures on slide number 10, the existing facility already includes 89 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:07,080 prepared food and dining areas, along with existing grocery market areas that will enhance 90 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:10,180 that will be enhanced as part of the proposal. 91 00:18:14,650 --> 00:18:21,030 Norgate the existing operation include a bona fide restaurant component consistent of prepared 92 00:18:21,030 --> 00:18:24,370 food service with indoor and outdoor dining. 93 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:31,890 While the primary grocery market use will remain unchanged, Norway is proposing a substantial 94 00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:33,110 interior renovation. 95 00:18:33,730 --> 00:18:39,490 The proposed interior renovation will maintain the existing grocery market and restaurant 96 00:18:39,490 --> 00:18:46,330 operations while expanding the mercado concept with specialty culinary sections, including 97 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:50,790 in Carnitas, Saviteria, Huacamoleria, Guizados, 98 00:18:51,410 --> 00:18:55,130 Samaleria, Taqueria, and Tortilleria puestos. 99 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:59,250 The renovation will also include the Placita Express, 100 00:19:00,070 --> 00:19:03,930 a cell checkout area to enhance the overall customer service. 101 00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:09,900 The proposed interior renovation will also include 102 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:14,700 the Entrenos Bar and La Licoreria, a express puesto. 103 00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:17,700 To complement the food service offerings 104 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,480 and enhance the overall customer experience. 105 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,040 This proposed interior renovations are separate 106 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,840 from the entitlements currently 107 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,660 before the planning commission 108 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:30,340 and are not part of the commissions approval tonight. 109 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,680 Moving into the business operation, 110 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,660 Norway operates seven days a week from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. 111 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:50,440 The outdoor patio areas will operate from 11 a.m. 112 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,760 to 10 p.m. Monday through Sunday. 113 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:59,440 The alcohol service is intent to complement the food service component of the Mercado 114 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:06,900 concept, rather than operate as an standalone bar used with specialty food, kiosk, providing 115 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:13,400 food and beverages for immediate consumption and customer-oriented amenities and gathering 116 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,040 spaces. 117 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:22,580 Alcohol services, alcohol sales and service cannot begin before 11 a.m. and must cease 118 00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:28,620 not leading the 60 minutes before the business closes, or immediately when the kitchen 119 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:35,980 closes whichever occurs first. On Saturday and Sundays, alcohol service might begin early 120 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:41,800 at 7 a.m. to only upon demonstration of breakfast or brunch menu. 121 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:48,500 The alcohol service and live entertainment are intended to complement the food service 122 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,000 component of the mercado. 123 00:20:55,500 --> 00:21:03,940 The applicant is requesting approval of the AR number 2026-09 to allow the ancillary 124 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:11,860 self-obtier, wine, and distilled spirits for on-site consumption under ABC type 47 license 125 00:21:11,860 --> 00:21:16,060 assistance as part of the Norway existing bona fide restaurant operations. 126 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:24,100 The applicant is also proposing live entertainment consisting of occasional live music, including 127 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:26,200 installing mariachi performance. 128 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:33,140 The entertainment will occur indoors during the business normal hours of operation and 129 00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:36,240 will complement the food service operations. 130 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,160 The proposed alcohol service and entertainment will be subject to the recommended conditions 131 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:42,740 of approval. 132 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:52,800 The applicant's proposed live entertainment was initially processed as a conditional 133 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,620 use permit 2026-02. 134 00:21:56,580 --> 00:22:02,460 To put forth in review of the normal municipal code, staff determine that the proposed live 135 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:08,360 entertainment is include within the restaurant bar use category, which is permitted by 136 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:18,240 right in the general commercial C3 zone. Therefore, the UP number 2026-02 was withdrawn and no action 137 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:24,700 is being requests for the commission on that application. Any live entertainment will take place 138 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:31,300 indoors during the business normal hours of operation and will be intended to complement the 139 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,340 markets would service operations. 140 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:38,180 No outdoor entertainment is proposed as part of this request. 141 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:41,200 Live entertainment remains addressed 142 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,040 as an operational component of the AR number 2026-309. 143 00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:54,400 The applicant is requesting approval 144 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,000 to modify conditional use permit number 861 145 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,620 by deleting conditions of approval number 24 and 25. 146 00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:09,560 to allow the cell of a qualifying single containers of alcohol beverages in quantities of 25 147 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:17,300 ounces or less. Conditional use perme number 24 currently prohibits the cell of wine or 148 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:26,220 spirits in containers smaller than 750 milliliters. Conditional number 25 prohibits the cell of single 149 00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:33,600 containers of beer, malt beverages, or wine coolers, unless these items are sold in multi-unit 150 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:40,780 quantities prepackaged by the manufacturer. The request does not involve the issuance of a new 151 00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:47,640 or additional alcohol beverage license. Rather, the request will modify the existing conditions 152 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:54,660 approval that currently restrict the size and quantity of alcohol beverages for off-site consumption. 153 00:23:54,660 --> 00:24:02,640 The proposed modification will allow the grocery market to offer qualifying single container 154 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:10,140 alcoholic beverages of 25 ounces or less while continuing to operate under the existing 155 00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:16,660 type 21 license and the remaining conditions of CUP number A61. 156 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:30,360 The following subject site conditions in relation to the alcohol sales is for planning commissions 157 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:40,600 considerations. ABC recommends no more than 3 on-cell licenses within track 5520.02. 158 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:47,060 According to ABC, there are currently 2 on-cell alcohol establishments within this census 159 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:57,300 track. Therefore, the census track 5520.02, area complies with the number of allow on-cell 160 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:05,200 licenses. For the also establishments, ABC, ABC recommends no more than two licenses. 161 00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:12,840 There are currently three existing of sale establishments within the Census Struct. Because 162 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:21,640 CUP number 2026 actually for modified Norway existing type 21 operations and it does not 163 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:28,060 established and new of cell licenses, this request will not increase existing concentration 164 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:30,300 of cell establishments. 165 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:41,620 In our analysis, the staff consider the surrounding uses compatibility and public safety. 166 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:51,500 For the AR number 2026-09, the proposed alcohol service and life entertainment will operate 167 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:58,120 As ancillary components to the Norway existing bona fide restaurant operations for CUP 168 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:07,860 number 2026-04, the request will modify the conditions of the existing CUP A61 to allow 169 00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:14,400 qualifying single containers, alcoholic beverages, cells for off-site consumption, 170 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:27,360 The proposed alcohol uses are ancillary to the existing grocery market and bona-fi restaurant operations. 171 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:34,580 The project does not involve an expansion of the existing building footprint, and staff has conclude 172 00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:42,260 conditions has include conditions addressing alcohol cells, entertainment, security, and other 173 00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:43,320 operation standards. 174 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:50,420 The requests are consistent with the applicable zoning code requirements and general plan 175 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:53,660 policies for the general commercial C3 zone. 176 00:26:55,020 --> 00:27:01,860 Finally, the staff has determined that the project qualifies for a class one exemption under 177 00:27:01,860 --> 00:27:07,140 SQL guidelines section 153014 existing facilities. 178 00:27:10,690 --> 00:27:13,310 Based on the analysis, the staff determine 179 00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:20,150 that the necessary findings can be made for both applications. The proposed uses are consistent 180 00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:27,710 with the general plan and see three zoning, and the recommended conditions are intended to ensure 181 00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:33,250 that the operations remain compatible with surrounding properties and project and protect 182 00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:35,850 public health, safety and welfare. 183 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:41,480 Therefore, I recommend that the Planning Commission 184 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:51,040 adopts resolution number 26-11, approving director approval request number 2026-09. 185 00:27:52,100 --> 00:28:02,800 Adobe resolution 26-12, approving conditional use permit number 2026-04, and consider and 186 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:10,840 find that the project is exempt from CEQA pursuant to section 15301 class existing facilities. 187 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,780 That concludes the staff's presentation. 188 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:18,420 The staff and the applicant are available to answer any questions. 189 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,260 Thank you. 190 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,700 All right. 191 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,220 Thank you. 192 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:23,400 Any questions or staff? 193 00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:28,080 I just want to have one thing. 194 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,180 Thank you guys for this. 195 00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:29,960 It's very thorough. 196 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:31,980 It took me a long time to read this. 197 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,220 Thank you to the staff. 198 00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:38,860 There's a lot of stuff on here, so I have a question of staff. 199 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,020 Is there anywhere else in town that we allow the sale of the single use containers? 200 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:50,260 Or this would just be the first offsite sale of the single use container? 201 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:51,960 Or would this be our first site? 202 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,180 Because I don't recall this allowing this before. 203 00:28:55,340 --> 00:29:01,700 I think it was just pre-packaged from the manufacturer, maybe two in a pack. 204 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:11,440 The request for the single cell is also because of the component or the restaurant, but 205 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,140 no, we don't allow the single service cell of other. 206 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:23,980 I believe there is one location that we allow it, but I would have to look more into to 207 00:29:23,980 --> 00:29:26,920 let you know which exact location is the one that that permitted. 208 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,760 Okay, because I guess my question is the two requests. 209 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,820 The one is for the on sale because of the live entertainment and 210 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:41,640 the new concept of selling the liquor inside the facility. 211 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:48,160 And then the second one, 2026-04, to sell single containers, beer wine, 212 00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:50,220 distilled for off-site consumption. 213 00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:55,500 So that means to sell through the cash register and take home with you, single use. 214 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,480 Is that what you're saying? 215 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:57,100 Correct. 216 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:57,580 Okay. 217 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:27,140 That's really not related to the first one. It's just separate. It's just separate request. So, the first request, as you are mentioning, is to allow the on-site consumption. So that's 547 ABC license, which is to allow the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption with a dining restaurant. You're eating dining. Correct. Okay. But again, it has to have the dining component, which Norge already has a restaurant. 218 00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:37,020 And then the conditional you spray me 2026, actually, or four is to allow the single cells to take home. So it's totally separate. 219 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,640 Correct. Okay. Any other questions of moment? 220 00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:14,200 Okay. All right. Let's continue then. Is the applicant here? And do you wish to speak? We may have some questions. 221 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,180 Make 222 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:22,210 sure that microphone's on. 223 00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:23,250 There. 224 00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:24,990 There we can hear you. 225 00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:25,350 Great. 226 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,160 There we go. 227 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:30,640 Hi. 228 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:30,980 Good evening. 229 00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:32,600 My name is Steve Rollings. 230 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,200 I am here on behalf of the 231 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:34,920 North Gaugher. 232 00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:39,680 I'm also joining me this evening is 233 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320 Diana Cabrera, who's the director of 234 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,540 Merrick's experience. 235 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,920 And Jacqueline Delgado, who is 236 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,680 business manager or coordinator. 237 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,420 and they would be available for any questions that anybody may have. 238 00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:01,480 I'd like to first say echo your comments. Stephanie, that was an excellent staff report. 239 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,660 So my compliments to the staff for that, so I appreciate, is very thorough. 240 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,060 But I do want to take a little bit of time and add a little bit to kind of the concept, 241 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:16,040 as well as tell you a little bit more about Northgate Gonzalez. 242 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:20,620 Northgate Gonzalez, but also for the record. 243 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,080 We agree with your staff's recommendation and do agree to all the draft commitments 244 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:25,260 of approval. 245 00:32:25,980 --> 00:32:27,700 A little bit about Northgate Gonzalez. 246 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:35,040 They were founded in 1984, I believe, early 80s by an immigrant family. 247 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:42,500 And they are the quintessential success story, Southern California and the United States. 248 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,240 They now have over 50 stores. 249 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,200 their first store was a pretty small store. Their largest store now is about a 75,000 square foot store. 250 00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:56,640 This store is about 58,000 square feet, and they now have about 50 of them. 251 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:03,820 There is now 9,000 employees, and it is still very much family owned. 252 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,220 I don't know the number of Gonzales family members that are employed there, but I suspect it's... 253 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:20,040 Yeah, it's a hundred or more. So this is a family-owned business and a lot of companies 254 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,280 like to say that they treat their employees like family. Northgate actually does. And 255 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:32,460 I'll give you an anecdote here. They have hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of employees 256 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:39,260 that have been working for the Gonzalez family for decades. There's a lot of 30-year 257 00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:44,700 customer employees and I think that's one of the best testimonies you can give about 258 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,620 how good this employer is. 259 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:54,880 They offer benefits and a great work environment and most of the people are personally known 260 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,320 by somebody in the Gonzalez family. 261 00:33:58,460 --> 00:34:06,400 So they have this story in Norwalk for quite some time and we're coming here to this evening 262 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:14,560 because there's a concept that Northgate Gonzales has begun to roll out into their stores with great success. 263 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:23,240 And it is actually rather unique from all other grocery stores and the very first one of these new 264 00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:29,760 concepts type of stores is in Costa Mesa, California. It's a very large store about 75,000 square feet. 265 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:37,020 I think they took over like a home depot or a Lowe's door and they converted it into a traditional 266 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:46,560 grocery store, but they created this entire Mercado concept where there are many things to buy 267 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:55,440 that are freshly made, definitely alluded to the Mollies. Of course, they do a huge tortilla business 268 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:04,840 and the VJ and prepared actual meals that people can actually purchase. Some people take it to 269 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,300 go, but a lot of people nowadays actually stay in the store just because of the inviting environment 270 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:15,820 and it really encourages families. My understanding is that on Sunday mornings, especially after church, 271 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:24,440 this is a large, large gathering place for families and they come and they eat, enjoy down in 272 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,180 to Mesa, they enjoy strolling mariaches as well as other types of entertainment that they 273 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:39,880 offer there. So we're bringing this to Norwalk. There is one other store that's under construction 274 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,580 that is doing this concept. I'm very happy to say that we will be submitting tenant improvement 275 00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:55,020 the first week in September, so this is a reality that's coming to Norwalk, the investment 276 00:35:55,020 --> 00:36:01,160 of the Gonzalez family is going to be making is going to be near $10 million to retrofit 277 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,580 this store and bring a completely different environment and a completely different experience 278 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,720 that nobody has seen before. 279 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:17,960 The request does involve adding alcohol service for on-site consumption to the facility. 280 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,860 We have an outdoor dining area and we will be adding a little bit more sit-down dining 281 00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:29,640 there, but it is designed as you know obviously kind of part of a food hall if you would. 282 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:36,120 We use the word Mercado type of concept with many Puestos serving food. 283 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480 There is a single spot that you can buy the alcohol. 284 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:44,220 There is actually a bar right there that you can purchase the alcohol and people will 285 00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:49,060 take that and, you know, sit back at their table or continue with their shopping. 286 00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:57,140 In terms of the offsite fails, which we talked a little bit about too, we are requesting 287 00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:58,880 the ability to bail with cell single beers. 288 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:07,300 And there's a very, very distinct reason for that is we have for years done what they 289 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:08,840 call tastings or samplings. 290 00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:14,780 So if you're a craft beer manufacturer, you actually have the opportunity at North 291 00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:20,260 Gate Gonzales to actually set up a table, kind of cordon off a roped area within the store 292 00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:25,540 there and invite customers to come and taste your beer. 293 00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:35,940 And oftentimes we're coming with an IPA or a logger and so on and so forth, so it's an opportunity for customers to be able to experience that. 294 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:39,980 That's very closely regulated by the way. 295 00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:45,280 You can only get three one ounce pours of beer and other products just filled spirits. 296 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:49,380 You get a quarter ounce, so it's not designed to sit there and drink or anything like that. 297 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:56,740 But it gives an opportunity for our partners, our alcohol partners to be able to come in and highlight their product there. 298 00:37:57,340 --> 00:38:09,280 And what's important for us in terms of the single sales is oftentimes these manufacturers would prefer to sell them as single cans, which we would prefer to too. 299 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:16,740 And oftentimes you might come in and buy a beer from this craft manufacturer. 300 00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:21,100 And then there's another one over here, and so you may actually check out with a collection 301 00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:25,700 of two or three, but they're different brands of beverages. 302 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,580 We have the ability to sell singles in most of our stores there, obviously we're a very 303 00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:34,240 large format grocery store. 304 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:41,740 There are 200 employees at this particular store, not to say all 200 of them are working at 305 00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:49,700 same time, but there's over 100 people that are Northgate employees and obviously, we're 306 00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:50,800 like any other retailer. 307 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,100 We certainly don't like to see a product leave without it being paid 308 00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:04,820 for. So we pay very, very close attention. We have many managers, so whenever you walk into 309 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:08,880 a Northgate there's going to be a lot of people there. We pride ourselves on customer service. 310 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,120 If somebody is wandering around looking for something, we, you know, are the employees 311 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,840 approach them and say, hey, can I help you out with something and help the customers? 312 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:27,320 So we have not had big issues in other communities with the selling of single beers. 313 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:38,260 Not 100% sure what the underlying reasoning is for limiting the ability to sell single 314 00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:46,340 beers. In some respects, if somebody just is coming in and all they want is a 16-ounce beer, 315 00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:50,020 why do they have to walk out with three? You know, 316 00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:55,530 it's a true question that I ask a lot of people, 317 00:39:57,130 --> 00:40:03,230 but in some people say that, hey, it's easy to shop. Well, we understand that. And as a retailer, 318 00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:10,790 or we go through reasonable measures to do what we can to deter that. 319 00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:17,490 We don't have high shrinkage levels, but there is some of that that does go on. 320 00:40:18,110 --> 00:40:23,250 So it is important for Northgate to just have the flexibility to do that. 321 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:30,250 Obviously we're not selling the big 40 ounce old English 800s or Colt 45s. 322 00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:32,750 it's limited to, you know, kind of your traditional beers, 323 00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:34,910 so it's a much smaller size, 324 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:38,550 and it's a preference of a lot of customers, 325 00:40:38,570 --> 00:40:40,650 and as I gave the example before, 326 00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:43,650 it gives the ability to be able to purchase 327 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:48,230 from this craft beer, and this craft beer, this craft beer, 328 00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:50,890 instead of having to only, you know, 329 00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:53,370 buy three beers at the same manufacturer. 330 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:56,810 So, that's important to us, 331 00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:59,050 and we appreciate your consideration on that, 332 00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:01,110 and hopefully you'll support this. 333 00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:04,530 That request, I know that your senior management 334 00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:06,010 has kind of reviewed the request, 335 00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:08,550 and I believe that your public safety department 336 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:09,510 has reviewed that, 337 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:12,170 and they don't seem to have any particular issues 338 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:16,090 with allowing Northgate to be able to do that. 339 00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:22,030 In terms of the, going back a little bit to the Palescos 340 00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:23,010 and the Mercado, 341 00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:29,750 This concept has been so well received down in Costa Rica. 342 00:41:30,070 --> 00:41:33,850 I don't know if anybody's had a chance to go down there, but I encourage you down there. 343 00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:35,230 It is an experience like you. 344 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,790 And the community has embraced it. 345 00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:45,530 And we're really happy to be able to start rolling that concept out to existing stores. 346 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:50,990 And we've developed a very, very loyal following here in Norwalk. 347 00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:56,910 talk. We would like to bring this to the citizens of Norrock. I think it's a great addition. 348 00:41:57,070 --> 00:42:04,190 It's a great investment into your community by an excellent employer, an excellent retailer, 349 00:42:04,930 --> 00:42:10,530 and we appreciate your consideration and hope that you'll support our request this evening. 350 00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:12,110 And I'm available for any questions. 351 00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:19,330 Okay, so, and I'll tell you that you're the North source fabulous even the way it is. And 352 00:42:19,330 --> 00:42:25,090 I can't wait to see the new concept and we appreciate that you're investing, and your 353 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,850 team is investing all of this, you know, for this new concept. 354 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:31,070 And I think it's wonderful. 355 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:35,250 I don't have any problem with the alcohol consumption onsite. 356 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:41,270 The only thing is the off cell single and I'll tell you the reason behind what we've noticed 357 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:48,210 or the reason behind the way we've always felt about it over the years is a lot of times 358 00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:52,750 As the folks won't go and gather up enough money to just buy a beer. 359 00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:57,810 And they stand outside and either ask for money or they go recycle, right? 360 00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:02,830 Enough to get three bucks or four bucks and then they walk in and they buy a beer. 361 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:08,110 That's all they buy, like you said, it's not, it's not your me buying 12 craft bears to give it a try. 362 00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:16,010 It's the folks that were concerned with that buy a single beer, hang out outside, ask somebody else for $3. 363 00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:29,050 go back inside by. You know what I mean, it's that type of environment. And I'm not saying that it would, it's just you or your store, I'm sure your folks are well educated and someone so far, I just don't know. 364 00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:39,370 I'm just, I'm just trying to understand. I'm glad you brought up the fact that it's about, you know, maybe sampling the craft beers and buying one of each. 365 00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:40,890 I totally understand that. 366 00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:45,330 It's the folks that don't have that concept in their mind 367 00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:49,410 and they're out there getting a cycle of 25 cans 368 00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:51,690 somehow to get four bucks to go by a bear 369 00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:52,930 and then hang out. 370 00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:54,790 That's my concern. 371 00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:57,510 If I could add or make some comments, 372 00:43:58,030 --> 00:43:58,290 do that. 373 00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:59,970 I understand that. 374 00:44:00,590 --> 00:44:03,190 What we have found in the sale, 375 00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:06,550 I represent also a lot of convenience stores 376 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:15,590 as well as this Northgate Gonzalez, which is a large format in grocery store, you're definitely 377 00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:22,170 going to see that behavior far more at a smaller convenience store than you do a grocery store. 378 00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:26,970 The grocery store is set up, you have to walk a little distance to get to where the beer is, 379 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:36,230 there's a lot of people around and we have a lot of staff around and we actively 380 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:39,670 monitor the activity out in our parking lot. 381 00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:47,770 You want to scare customers away, then have some people out there panhandling a parking lot and making people feel uncomfortable. 382 00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:50,870 That's a really great way to drive away customers. 383 00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:58,630 In Northgate knows that, and we have always been very proactive with that, and we've worked with law enforcement on occasions. 384 00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:59,850 and what happened. 385 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,860 This is after a while when they know that a Northgate manager is going to come out, say something to you, or if the situation isn't appropriate, then we're just going to make a phone call to the local law enforcement. Those folks get the idea pretty quickly and they move because they don't want to have conversations with police officers. So I understand that concern. I'm just telling you, it doesn't happen at the large group format. 386 00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:35,480 grocery stores. I've worked in a lot of communities where their policy is that they put some restrictions 387 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,620 on convenience stores or stores of a certain certain size but they allow the large-scale grocery 388 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:47,160 stores to operate a little bit differently because that's not the type of customer. If you're 389 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:53,480 if you're just looking for a beer or something like that they're going to hang out a liquor store, 390 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,740 they're going to hang out at a different convenience store, they're not hanging out at a very family-friendly 391 00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:04,960 active parking lot, active management to come in and buy a cheap beer and then hang out 392 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,660 and look parking lot. 393 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:08,100 We're not going to let them hang out and look parking lot for very long. 394 00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:13,840 And I think that that's a true, you know, I believe that that's a really true scenario. 395 00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:20,600 And I know it's a little bit anecdotal, but I have seen this in action. 396 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:27,260 You don't see that type of activity with folks in at a large format grocery store. 397 00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:34,660 I only ask because you saw the recycling center out there where folks, there's a large 398 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:39,080 population of folks that I'm referring to that are out your recycling center at the 399 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:45,600 back of your store and I think that we remove that from there and you're right. 400 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,440 I mean recycling centers sometimes have an tendency to grow that. 401 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,300 Is it still there? 402 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,620 And that's my concern and I'll just be honest. 403 00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:59,000 Yes, we had a Ralph Scrocery on Rose Grant, and it had a recycling center. 404 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,400 And the folks would recycle all their cans and then walk in with their slip to redeem 405 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:04,860 the money. 406 00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:08,640 You know, at that point, I don't know if you guys do that or not, but they would redeem 407 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:15,780 those tickets and you probably don't redeem the tickets, but they're probably getting cash. 408 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:16,440 Okay. 409 00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:25,080 I understand the concern and this is a very responsible business that's making a very 410 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:25,900 large investment. 411 00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:30,080 We would like at least the opportunity to run the business that we would like, but I 412 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,200 think we've proven that we're a very responsible week. 413 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:36,440 And I'm not, yeah, I'm not questioning absolutely not the question. 414 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,940 And so to have a blanket policy that says everybody has to do that, I think there's room 415 00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:46,820 for allowances for other types of businesses like this. 416 00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:52,920 I don't think that you're finding the Ralph stores as actively managed as you would 417 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,660 in Northgate, Gonzalez store, and I know that just from experience. 418 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,320 I've got a lot of Ralph stores, and there's hardly anybody working there in Northgate. 419 00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:12,660 There's people all over the place, so I understand conceptually the issues, but at any time 420 00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:19,260 A use permit can be called back in for modification of conditions if it's a public safety issue. 421 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:27,860 Your local policing agency always has the ability to say, hey, we're having massive problems 422 00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:30,220 out here and we should take a look at the operations. 423 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,000 Well, I have a question. 424 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:37,240 You're going to understand you're asking for this, but you're going to have more alcohol 425 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,480 being sold, because now you're going to have not only have the rest dropped, but you're 426 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,940 going to be having a bar so you're going to have more people consuming alcohol in there 427 00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:49,820 because by the wires are shopping, the men are going to be able to just sit there and 428 00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:55,560 drink while the kids are being, I don't know what, is the bar completely separate from 429 00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:58,860 the restaurant? The bar is inside the restaurant. 430 00:48:59,020 --> 00:49:04,540 The bar is right kind of in the side of the particular store there and that's where you 431 00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:09,880 would purchase an alcoholic beverage ticket to your seat. You could potentially sit there 432 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,720 But fun fact, nobody on the age of 21 is allowed to sell at a bar, whether they're drinking 433 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:15,040 or not. 434 00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:18,120 But you can walk around the store too drinking, right? 435 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:22,520 So my point is you're going to have more alcohol being consumed, so are you guys going 436 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,180 to have security? 437 00:49:23,340 --> 00:49:27,800 So you're asking now also to have small accounts of alcohol being sold, single accounts, single 438 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,520 accounts of alcohol, are you going to have security now, more security, maybe, in the store 439 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,480 that possibly can be in the parking lot, watching the parking lot, that's my concern now because 440 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,820 because you're going to have more people. 441 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,120 And you know, especially right now, 442 00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:44,400 it's hot outside. 443 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,060 People are going to consume more alcohol. 444 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,740 And you know, little tippers get flared 445 00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:50,000 as someone backs up their car, 446 00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:51,360 and someone's cussing at somebody 447 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,740 because they backed into somebody 448 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:54,400 or just because they're trying to walk 449 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,240 and somebody backs up. 450 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,420 So my point is now you guys are going to consume more alcohol 451 00:49:58,420 --> 00:49:59,880 that's what you're asking us to let you do. 452 00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:02,540 And you're asking us to give you single cans. 453 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,940 Are we going to have security controlling all of this now? 454 00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:08,320 To go along with all of this. 455 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,760 to control the problem that may occur. 456 00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:20,020 So, the North-Key Gonzalez stores, if there becomes any types of problems, we haven't 457 00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:22,740 hesitated to hire and bring on security people. 458 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:29,120 We don't believe that the activity that we're seeing in Costa Mesa, if we brought that concept 459 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,380 here, wouldn't necessitate the idea of having a full-time security guard. 460 00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:37,440 However, if operationally we start having some problems, we're not going to hesitate 461 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:44,940 because as I mentioned to you before, the fastest way to drive customers away is make them feel uncomfortable out in the parking lot and they just quit coming. 462 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:53,340 Have you been out to this Northgate to see what clientele is around it right now, though, because you're against the railroad tracks. 463 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,640 The one in Costa Mesa is not against the railroad tracks. This one has a lot of homeless that are around that area. 464 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,660 And like she said, right there by the recycling center, they're constantly there. 465 00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:09,660 So I'm not saying the client tell that comes in out of the market because let me tell you there are great people that go 466 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:15,480 out of the market eye shop there, but there are times I will walk out of that market and let me tell you the city 467 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,740 characters that walk up to us begging for money are not very good people and we need people in that 468 00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:26,520 parking lot as well as now that alcohol is going to be sold inside the market and man's going to come out of that 469 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,580 market somebody's going to say something to his wife or girlfriend and things are going to happen and that's 470 00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:32,140 That's what I'm asking. 471 00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:37,540 Is there going to be security now that people are going to be consuming alcohol in the 472 00:51:37,540 --> 00:51:38,260 store? 473 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,340 There are plans to have security there right now. 474 00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:47,620 My point to you is that if the security that we're providing now is not adequate, we will 475 00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:53,680 certainly add security there, but we do intend to have security on the premises. 476 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,520 Again, your points are valid. 477 00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:02,080 We don't want that activity and sometimes it does take that extra measure to have security. 478 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:09,500 We understand the location of the store by the tracks, we understand that there's a unhoused population very nearby. 479 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:20,060 However, we're choosing to make an additional $10 million investment into that location because we believe in this community and that's not deterring this. 480 00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:27,860 I know a lot of the retailers that would not be making this investment, given some of 481 00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:28,040 that. 482 00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:33,120 But this company is dedicated to this community, we're dedicated to running a great operation. 483 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:39,340 We are providing security, and if more security is necessary, we will certainly add to that. 484 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,200 And those of the assurances I can give you, your points are very, very valid. 485 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:54,200 And I think that Norwalk is certainly, I look around and there's so much new development just walking by the City Hall and seeing the pretty pictures here. 486 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:59,860 And you've got somebody like Northgate on a different part of town making another investment. 487 00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:09,760 This town is really alive and I think that's a compliment to planning commissioners and obviously your city manager and your planning department. 488 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,340 And again, we're happy to make the investment. 489 00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:15,500 And we're just asking for a little bit of ability 490 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:20,580 to kind of run the business the way it would like to. 491 00:53:22,330 --> 00:53:25,270 If I recall, the recycling center was in the back 492 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,210 and you guys moved it to the front 493 00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:28,750 because you had so many issues 494 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,410 because I was on planning when that got moved 495 00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:34,430 in the front corner. 496 00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:38,210 It was in the back by the, it was in the back 497 00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:40,030 and you moved it towards the front 498 00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:48,830 because of all the issues that you had because there was a big discussion over where the how to block that off and keep people from getting into your dumpsters at the time. 499 00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:53,830 So it's been moved to my knowledge. Is that right? 500 00:53:54,190 --> 00:54:05,830 I recall commissioners. I just want to point out that the existing recycling is to the left of the main entrance and is towards the end. 501 00:54:06,350 --> 00:54:12,750 But towards the street, towards the corner, but in the back, but in the back, and it's, it isn't enclosed. 502 00:54:12,970 --> 00:54:13,930 You used to be in the back. 503 00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:15,070 They moved. 504 00:54:15,330 --> 00:54:15,590 Yes. 505 00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:16,250 Yes. 506 00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:18,750 They wanted to see it for the street, but it used to be in the back. 507 00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:20,210 It is safer. 508 00:54:20,430 --> 00:54:21,210 And that's why you've been. 509 00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:22,430 And there was a reason for moving that. 510 00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:23,150 Exactly. 511 00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:24,670 But I can say that there was a problem. 512 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:25,370 There was a problem. 513 00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:26,170 We moved it. 514 00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:26,350 Yeah. 515 00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:30,250 We're proactive about policing it and trying to reduce the issues out there. 516 00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:32,550 So it did get moved because of issues. 517 00:54:32,550 --> 00:54:39,050 Also, I would like to point out that for the self of any alcoholics, beverages for 518 00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:44,610 off-site consumption, as staff are creating a specific condition or approval, it is on 519 00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:52,090 page 11, it says that the self of any alcoholic beverages for off-site consumption on premises 520 00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:53,030 is prohibited. 521 00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:59,970 And appropriate science, both inside and outside establishment, the study in the drinking 522 00:54:59,970 --> 00:55:03,110 on the premises is prohibited by large while be posted. 523 00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:08,210 So commission, a couple of things. 524 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:11,170 Number one, Nancy can speak to the recycling center. 525 00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:18,090 And number two, there are very robust conditions of approval in this series of entitlements. 526 00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:27,810 We work very closely with public safety, I should say, to make sure that from monitoring to signage, 527 00:55:27,810 --> 00:55:32,930 that their conditions were as robust as they possibly could be. 528 00:55:33,390 --> 00:55:37,170 So we're confident that this can be managed, should anything arise. 529 00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:40,330 And I think Nancy can speak to the recycling center. 530 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:47,590 Yes, the recycling center in our research for the previous item we brought to you last month, 531 00:55:47,810 --> 00:55:55,550 the other recycling center, that recycling center on site does have an active business license with the city. 532 00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:06,410 I just know it was close to the road track, originally, and it was a big deal when we approved that because some people did not want to have it be seen from the street. 533 00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:14,250 So it was somewhat controversial, but we said, yes, let's move it. It's a safer place. It's a better, you know, and it's fine. 534 00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:17,190 But that's the reason we had to move is because we did have some problems. 535 00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:19,210 I do have another question. 536 00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:25,870 You guys want to begin sales of alcohol, serving alcohol services at 7 a.m. on the weekends? 537 00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:28,950 Isn't that awfully early to be doing alcohol services? 538 00:56:29,590 --> 00:56:33,010 Well, we would just like the flexibility to be able to do that. 539 00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:38,730 Obviously, if we don't have any customers, there are any need for it, we're probably not. 540 00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:42,910 But, you know, we find that Saturday and Sunday mornings are active there. 541 00:56:42,910 --> 00:56:49,070 as I mentioned on Sundays, we are very active there and you know things like 542 00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:53,250 mimosas can be very popular type of drink. I don't think that you're going 543 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:59,590 to have people you know necessarily bloody marries and mimosas are sometimes 544 00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:04,170 very popular so yeah and weekends we would like the flexibility to be able to 545 00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:07,670 do that if the need we see some business. 546 00:57:10,350 --> 00:57:11,470 Any other questions? 547 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,900 I just have one 548 00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:19,780 And then so the AB type, 47 license, that basically gives us all the information that 549 00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:20,240 he just said. 550 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,940 Basically that covers everything from, you know, the no alcohol beverages shall sell, you 551 00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:27,400 know, for people on the 21 and all that. 552 00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:32,240 But I think it's very detailed information and if there is something that arises, we can 553 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,440 bring it back to the table and then we can work on that moving forward if something twists 554 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:36,840 to happen. 555 00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:41,740 My other question is, I do see the conditions of approval, so it does say, you know, the 556 00:57:41,740 --> 00:57:43,920 offside alcohol cells, entertainment, and security. 557 00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,760 So one of them was that you said you guys do have security. 558 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,700 Is there going to be additional security? 559 00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:51,280 So like for instance, one of the questions that was asked 560 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,420 is if you guys start selling alcohol at seven o'clock, 561 00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:57,600 is that security going to be there available at 6 a.m.? 562 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,600 So that was my question because we want to make sure 563 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,480 that it is on here and it's indicated 564 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,020 that there's additional security. 565 00:58:40,540 --> 00:58:41,120 Okay, thank you. 566 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,880 Yeah, because I noticed that the area where the image was at 567 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,720 is right outside the front on the right hand side of the entrance, so I just wanted to ask 568 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,800 that question because I did see that, you know, additional security would be added. 569 00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:54,400 Thank you, and I'm looking forward to it. 570 00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:57,240 Perfect. 571 00:58:57,460 --> 00:58:57,980 Thank you very much. 572 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,100 All right. 573 00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:03,580 So now we will hear anyone in the audience in favor of 574 00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:07,230 wishing to speak. 575 00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:08,470 I've seen none. 576 00:59:09,610 --> 00:59:13,010 We will ask if there's anyone in opposition of in the audience. 577 00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:23,270 Okay, I've seen none and staff were there any public comments in favor that were received 578 00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:29,410 prior to this meeting and was there any I'm sorry and was there any public comments in 579 00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:36,350 opposition and we see all right okay so at this point I'll declare the public testimony 580 00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:46,630 and we'll bring it back to the discussion back to the Planning Commission and we'll ask again, Commissioner Macias, do you have any further questions or comments? 581 00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:49,150 No, at this time, everything was answered. Thank you. 582 00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:51,270 In commission of Rinalo Salas? 583 00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:53,210 None at the time, they were all right. 584 00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:53,710 Thank you. 585 00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:59,970 All right, and I again, thank you for all of your questions. 586 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:25,620 Thank you for your time and investment in our community, and I look forward to this. I'm also a regular shopper at your store, and I enjoy it. Like I said, today, without any enhancements, I think it's a wonderful place to shop. And so does, I think about every resident in North because that parking lot is packed seven days a week, super popular. So congratulations on that. All right. With that, I'll take a motion. 587 01:00:25,620 --> 01:00:33,820 I move to adopt Resolution No. 26-11 to approve Director Approval Request, No. 2026-09, 588 01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:41,300 subject to the conditions of approval containing Exhibit A and adopt Resolution No. 26-12 to approve 589 01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:50,200 conditional use permit No. 2026-04, subject to conditions of approval containing Exhibit A and 590 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,840 consider and find the project is exempt from the California Environmental Act, Quality 591 01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:02,680 Act, CEQA, Guidelines pursuant to Section 515301, Class 1, Existing Facilities. 592 01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:04,780 Oh, seconded. 593 01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:06,840 All right, we have a motion of second. 594 01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:08,200 Can I have a roll call, please? 595 01:01:08,780 --> 01:01:09,580 The mission of my CS? 596 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:10,620 Aye. 597 01:01:11,060 --> 01:01:12,460 The mission of the Nono Salad? 598 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:12,900 Aye. 599 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:13,860 Yeah, Abu Daga. 600 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:14,400 Aye. 601 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:15,620 All right. 602 01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:16,220 Thank you. 603 01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:20,180 All right. 604 01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:24,000 Public hearing to consider its own change number 2026-01. 605 01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:26,820 Ruth, public notice information please? 606 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,040 Yeah, Apadaca and members of the Planning Commission. 607 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,880 On July the 30th, notice of this public hearing was mailed 608 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,840 to the seven properties and their respective property owners, 609 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,680 posted at the cities, three designated posting sites, 610 01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:46,620 and published in the Norbok Patriot on July 31st. 611 01:01:46,860 --> 01:01:48,960 As of today, no response has been addressed. 612 01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:54,410 Thank you, Ruth. Staff report, please. 613 01:01:56,230 --> 01:02:00,850 Thank you. We will have our senior planner, Gabriel Salazar, present. 614 01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:15,580 Good evening, Chair and members of the Planning Commission. 615 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,880 We had him before you as zone change number 2026-01. 616 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:22,600 This 617 01:02:26,310 --> 01:02:34,850 is a city initiated request to amend the zoning map to correct the zoning as R1, not C1 due 618 01:02:34,850 --> 01:02:55,230 to a typographical error for assessor partial numbers 807019-036, 8070-036, 8070-036, 8070-0306, 619 01:02:55,230 --> 01:03:07,090 8070-024-007, 8070-024-008, and last, 8070-024-009. 620 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,680 This slide provides some background information. 621 01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:19,120 The automobile parking zone was established in 1959. 622 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,280 It served as a buffer for incompatible land uses, but also limited construction and development 623 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,760 due to its setback requirements. 624 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:33,520 The automobile parking zone, also called the P zone, was removed by the Norfolk Municipal Code and the zoning map in 2024. 625 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,460 The purpose of the removal of the P zone was to eliminate land use barriers and facilitate development. 626 01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:54,170 This slide provides a background to the chronology of the actions taken by the Planning Commission and the City Council in 2023 or towards the end of 2023. 627 01:03:55,370 --> 01:04:01,930 October 11, 2023, the Planning Commission considered an adopted resolution number 23-28 and 628 01:04:01,930 --> 01:04:06,810 resolution number 23-29 to recommend approval to the City Council the removal of the 629 01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:16,670 P zone. The City Council subsequently adopted ordinance number 23-1744 and 1N 23-1745 to remove 630 01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:19,510 Remove the P zone from the North Municipal Code and the Zoning Map. 631 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:32,180 In early 2026, staff recognized a discrepancy in the Zoning Map for D7 parcels, also called 632 01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:33,500 the affected parcels. 633 01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:39,980 Basically, the proposed Zoning for said parcels was to match the underlying general plan 634 01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:45,160 line designation as R1, but due to a typographical error, there was zone C1. 635 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,180 The 636 01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:55,670 zone change 2020-6-01 is proposed to correct the zoning for these affected parcels and accurately reflect the actions taken by the 637 01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:57,490 Planning Commission and City Council in 2023. 638 01:05:00,670 --> 01:05:07,810 This slide before you provides a table of the aforementioned parcels, along with their 639 01:05:07,810 --> 01:05:15,130 assessor partial number, their address if they have an address, the general plan, land use designation, the zoning that was part of the 640 01:05:15,130 --> 01:05:27,850 Exhibit back then in 2023 was C1 as you can see on that third to last column and then in the fourth column from left to right is the actual zoning that there was supposed to be, which was supposed to be our one single family residential. 641 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:51,540 This slide shows the exhibit of the zone change and zoning texted from from 2023 on the left hand shown shows the green area which was the P zone that was removed on the right hand side shows the slide. 642 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:59,400 How these were designated at C1 and this next slide here shows how they were supposed to be designated as R1 single family residential 643 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,460 So that's why we're here tonight to correct that error on the zoning map 644 01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:13,660 And then before you as our staff recommendation that the planning commission adopt resolution number 26-13 645 01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:21,500 To recommend approval to the City Council for zone change number 2026-01 and to consider and find that the project is 646 01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:27,340 an example of SQL pursuant to SQL guidelines section 15061, B3, the common sense exemption. 647 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,260 Staff is here to answer any questions. 648 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:30,980 Thank you. 649 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:32,060 All right. 650 01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:32,740 Thank you. 651 01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,700 Does the commission have any questions for staff? 652 01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:37,040 All right. 653 01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:43,120 The public hearing is now open and we're going to open it and we'll be heard in the following 654 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:43,440 order. 655 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:44,900 Those in favor, those opposed. 656 01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:53,360 So, let's go ahead and we'll ask staff whether any public comments in favor that were received prior to this meeting? 657 01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:54,880 And was chased. 658 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,600 Okay, is there anyone in the audience who is in favor? 659 01:06:59,180 --> 01:07:01,700 See, no one in our audience, so I'll bring that back. 660 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,060 Staff, were there any public comments in opposition that were received prior to this meeting? 661 01:07:07,260 --> 01:07:09,500 And there is no one in attendance in front of me. 662 01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:17,760 So at this point, I will declare the public testimony closed and I will bring it back to the Planning Commission. 663 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,780 We'll start with Commissioner Macias. Any questions, comments? 664 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:22,260 No, none. 665 01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:24,500 All right, Commissioner Vanola Salis. 666 01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:25,420 None. 667 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,080 And I have none either, so I will entertain a motion. 668 01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:37,020 I move to adopt resolution number 26-13 to recommend approval to the City Council for 669 01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:46,140 For zone change number 2026-01, I recommend City Council adapt a categorical exemption for 670 01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:53,000 the zone change pursuant to California Environmental Quality Act sequel, Guidelines Section 150-61-B 671 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:58,280 and 3, in that it can be seen with the certainty that there is no possibility that the activity 672 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,640 in the question may have a significant effect on the environment. 673 01:08:03,340 --> 01:08:06,960 Okay, so we have a motion to second roll call please. 674 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,220 Commissioner Mattias. 675 01:08:10,060 --> 01:08:10,180 Aye. 676 01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:12,060 Commissioner Nona Salas. 677 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:12,480 Aye. 678 01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:13,380 Yeah, Apagaca. 679 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:13,900 Aye. 680 01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:15,500 All right. 681 01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:20,900 Is there anyone wishing to speak under oral communications? 682 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,160 Don't see anybody there. 683 01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:25,260 Do you want any comments from? 684 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:28,840 And staff, do you have any comments? 685 01:08:29,220 --> 01:08:29,720 No comments. 686 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:30,640 Thank you very much. 687 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,300 All right, very good. There being no further business this meeting is now adjourned.