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over good yes yes I think so

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go okay all right okay we will call to
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regular business meeting for February
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2025 it is 6:03 PM Lindsay would you
please call the RO council member Baker

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Brown here Co here Livingston miniki yes
mayor Philip I'm here we have a quorum

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so we'll move on item number two is a
pledge of allegiance would please rise

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and S the Pledge of Allegiance with

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me United

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States

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indivisible all
right item number three is approval of

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the agenda we are going to remove move
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anybody like to move any of the consent
agenda items to the regular

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agenda none can I get a motion to
approve the the agenda as amended

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motion second
it okay so motion by Brown seconded by

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mini all those in favor say I I I I post
same that motion carries item four is

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dedicated work session uh this is
dedicated work session s for mayor and

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Council uh the regular city council
meeting will begin following this work

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session item a is The Envision 2023
strategic visioning and goal setting

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review so Luke and Lindsay have been uh
working with department heads to share

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the Strategic Vision formulated by C
city council and myself uh we felt that

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this work session would give us a chance
to talk to any questions and establish

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clarifications so that we have a solid
document to guide the city

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lind's going to step us through the our
visioning process mostly for the benefit

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of the V of the citizens present or
watching online and then we're going to

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go and discuss the goals and refine the
2035 strategic Vision which is called

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Envision 2035 it's good name uh Lindsay
floor is yours thank you uh so mayor and

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Council h of strategic thinking and
execution planning session last November

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uh as you just said it's been en it's
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norwalk's

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future thank you um we're aiming to
create strategic goals to achieve

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alignment and Clarity for the city with
specific actions and benchmarks to

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ensure

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implementation and as you're all aware
uh we have our purpose statement

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here some of our past accomplishments
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development infrastructure and growth
commercial development the bike trail

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and Industrial Development while
maintaining our tax

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levy some of our critical Trends Show
Stable growth a desire for increased

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Services State legislator's goal to
reduce local government strong

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intergovernmental relationships and
overall citizen

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satisfaction um from our citizen survey
we compiled the top things that we feel

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like our citizens uh had expressed that
they wanted or wanted us to improve

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which was our street and sidewalk
conditions more Economic Development and

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expanded park and rec programs and
Facilities we also did a SWAT analysis

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to identify our strengths opportunities
weaknesses and threats I'm not going to

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go over each of those but you could
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to which brought us to our six um top
10e goals so the first one is championed

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by council member Livingston and it's
the master plan and new urbanism so

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execute a master plan and include the
Interstate 35 interchange and scurve

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area and to have a series of
neighborhoods and Commercial

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hubs second one is championed by mayor
Phillips and it's the North River and

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I35 interchange so to develop those
areas and to have a fully developed

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interchange on Interstate
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councilman miniki and his walkability in
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neighborhoods kind of self-explanatory
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Brown and it's how Norwalk is viewed so
distinct neighborhoods that are viewed

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as unique fun and proud to live
in the fifth is championed by Ed Co and

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is uh Highway 28 so after dot
reconstruction uh Council wishes to have

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the city owned Highway 28 inside
corporate limits and this is been the

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one that we've gotten the most questions
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little bit more Direction on that one
and lastly Champion by Brian Baker is

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balanced tax base which this one rolled
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have uh 30% of our tax base be
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industrial then we defined how we were
going to accomplish these goals which is

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to dedicate staff time Implement
communication strategies prioritize

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projects and funds identify and work
with key stakeholders and review our

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comprehensive

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plan then we set threeyear one year and
90day benchmarks with specific action

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items for each time frame staff has
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benchmarks we've identified staff and
departments to lead each of these

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projects or goals um I will then after
tonight go in and add those projects to

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each department heads project management
spreadsheet and Tai will create a Public

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Communication plan to get that get it
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so same slide as before with our 10e
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department or departments I should say
above those goals um although there are

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one or two lead departments or people um
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accomplishing these will be a team
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numerous
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the Departments that would take lead on
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yeah lastly just questions comments

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concerns have clarifying
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want to bring something up about the
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I can bring it up
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walkability connecting neighborhoods I
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that kind of aligns with a bigger
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we're trying to accomplish so that is a
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Highway 28 had a few concerns with um
taking over the ownership of the

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highway if we were to try to take over
ownership of it through Norwalk it'll

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still be a state controlled and owned
Highway North of Norwalk and south of

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Norwalk the state will require even if
we own it that the highway within

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Norwalk be operated and maintained to
their standards and their rules so the

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rideway will still have access
restrictions there'll still be the

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traffic control will still be under DOT

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regulations um so they're still going to
have authority over how it's operated we

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won't have autonomous control over it
they're going to want it to be operated

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as a State Highway it'll be there's some
concerns with that another concern is

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along with the payment it's probably
going come the rest of the RightWay the

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green SPAC is next to it and the storm
sewer ditches the spiles the trees it's

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not just the pavement it'll be they want
the entire right away to be conveyed

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over um and if that's what we want we
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goal is just more maintenance or an
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rideability of the payment I think
there's a way to do that we can work

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with the dot we have a annual agreement
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maintenance on the road I think we could
look at our annual agreement um to try

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to encourage more maintenance by the
state or we can look at that to see if

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there's some options
for um encouraging them to maintain the

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road better we might have other options
to get an improved Highway 28 without

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ownership of it um it's just kind of
wanted to know what the goals were was

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the goal if we want ownership of it
that's fine but the goal was improving

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the rideability maybe there's another
option site toing it

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comment yes okay my understanding from
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was for me to put together study group
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determine uh what the pluses and minuses
were for City acquisition of this or

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state retention of it and if it was for
the city at what point in time would

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that decision have to be made because
obviously the state because you're going

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to rebuild that Highway probably go
soon and my understanding is that

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nothing would happen anyway until after
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rebilt
so uh the impression I had was that you

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wanted me and the council wanted me to
go out and collect the best minds and

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information I can to provide information
both ways right yeah so that we can make

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an decision I think the points that he's
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disagree but uh to be objective about it
you know I think you have to consider

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both sides and all the pluses and
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may uh you but anyway did it am I
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that what we were want to accomplish
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misunderstand I think that's

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what that's what I remember that's a
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I'll task myself I guess to uh help to
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and we'll probably take different people
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hard to getbody one room at one time and
try to get input in all that regard

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obviously big key is

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State any I don't know if that helps
it mayor what what I'm hearing in in my

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words
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the same thing it's more of a we're
exploring what those options are for

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Highway 28 as opposed to the goal being
to take over right the goal is

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information
the goals information yeah making an

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informed
decision yes I think we need to make the

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informed decision whether or not to take
it right yeah yes

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sir I think part of what you said at the
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mayor
mentioned he felt like it was the

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overall condition of Road the goal is to
have Highway 28 approved so that when we

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do a community survey and our citizens
say hey the drivability of a bunch of

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our streets are in bad
condition Highway 28 is our major

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highest travel roadway in
town currently it's not any part of our

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decision on when that gets
approved so you were just saying overall

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improve drivability yeah of the highway

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yeah and maybe that's part of that well
yeah that's right take a look at it see

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so so we might even think differently
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what because this
says so we might think the big goal is

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improve
dve how we get there get to be deter

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determined and ownership might be the
answer other things

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might about explore options for Highway
28 improve

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drivability it's just we want
drivability

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period like
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so
fure now for some reason my memory

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that I feel like Jackie was one of the
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well I disagree because would never

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she would appreciate that comment I'm
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today I do remember she specifically
brought that up as um as something that

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she wanted to address and she couldn't
be here she was traveling she had a

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business thing that uh she
just made it so she could be on the

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meeting so I feel like maybe that's even
something we if she gets a chance to

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watch this maybe she could give us some
additional feedback there are definitely

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some reasons
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right and you know I think the
trafficability was one of them also

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Aesthetics was another one you know and
Community improvements I there all kinds

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of but you know you have to wave both
ways right and the question is you know

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even even if we acquired that Highway
would we still be able to do the things

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we want to do that's a question

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too so those are the questions we have
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wants to sharpen the guidance on that it
probably wouldn't hurt

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anybody but that's that's how

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I Lindsay did you get a good rewarding
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that um I think so I think we'll get
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possibly either just ask add improve
drivability to the statement or change

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it to exploring options for Highway 28
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drivability we could probably um we
could email Brian and Jackie both that's

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not a quorum so we could email both of
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you know watch this segment they know
about the background all that good stuff

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but we can get them to this point where
they can listen to this conversation and

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then they can give us some feedback as
well and ultimately we'll come back to

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council and explain what what the result
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good Wayne does that give you some
comfort of yeah very much I like it you

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thought we were gonna own that baby
tomorrow oh

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no there's been some a lot of
conversation about that I think I can

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hear well
enough that I heard some reservations

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yeah yeah I like the idea of exploring
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yeah anything

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else we go to the next topic Item B uh
businesses with online sales only so

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Council may recall that we discussed a
local entrepreneur that is starting an

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online sales business uh his business
model did not originally include an

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immediate buildout of the storefront
uh he had hoped to get the business

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going and then add a storefront at a
later date and this has caus some

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frustration uh main issue to discuss
tonight is if the city would be willing

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to adjust our zoning ordinance to allow
online retail businesses in certain

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commercial districts without a
storefront so staff had difficulty

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reconciling this as it distribution
issue to discuss tonight is if the sorry

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muted somebody okay thank

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you there's the

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cther there's a

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uh okay staff had difficulty reconciling

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reconciling this as it appear to be more
of a distribution center rather than a

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retail uh storefront zoning ordinance
does not specifically call out an online

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retail sales business while this is a
short summary Luke do you have some

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additional
clarification I don't I do know that

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Blake is here tonight if you'd like him
to give any more clarification but I

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feel like you summarized it well sure
Blake you wanna come up and sure if you

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if you want to if you don't that's fine
well just a recap kind of what yeah come

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on up and state your name and address
SCH 3147 perero

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um yeah so I I have an online I've had

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an online business for for a while that
I've that I've ran and now it's just

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it's more of a focus for me so I own the
old Fairway building so I got a permit

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to build 4500 square feet of it is is
basically office

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space product storage space whatever
like Works Space for me and my business

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there so um as a start now the rest of
it is just you know it's the old grocery

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store building so I mean it's just
basically a warehouse building sitting

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there already so yeah my issue was is I
wanted to permit I just want to get the

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permit to use the whole entire building
and while my business fits you know it's

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a hobby business so it fits the c012
designation C to you know see why I

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couldn't go into the go into the space
so and I ran into obstacles because

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because I'm not open to the public I was
told I had to go into C3 so which seems

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maybe I'm more of the extrem you know
looking at it and being able to reflect

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on it for for a couple weeks here but
you know you might

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have you know Mona store somebody that
you know like sells clothes you know

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might have people come into the store
but mainly does it online like are you

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going to go tell them that they got to
go into a warehouse Building and find a

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thousand square feet to to lease out a
warehouse building and they could you

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know fill a vacant space and okay well
what we were talking about was all

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Fairway building and how it's C2 right
now appropriate uses in C2 and repeating

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myself a little bit uh it's I think it
it's clear in the zoning code that C2

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does not allow warehousing as we're
talking about here uh

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uh I believe the definition of
warehousing is also clear that this is a

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form of warehousing receiving orders and
storing property to be sent out uh for

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online sales uh what I was saying is
that I'm not telling the council whether

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they should allow this or not but in
order to permit this

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uh they you know the development
department was correct in saying that

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you couldn't have that use currently
what zoning is and uh the downside to it

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I think was kind of what I was
addressing also I mean I could certainly

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talk about upsides and downsides the
downsides to this is certainly that this

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is a dedicated commercial area and uh
just like any type of zoning uh you know

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whether you know
it's it's it's a bank or it's a medical

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facility when they locate someplace they
kind of depend on the neighbors too

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being the same use uh so could the
council rezone it uh we'd have to look

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at and see what the cooperat plan says
but yeah legally there's a way that you

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could probably get it reson to allow
this purpose

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um but you you still have all the
arguments regarding spot zoning and

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everything like that and we've already
turned down in this area businesses in

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the past number of years that were you
know a commercial use that wasn't an

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industrial use so
um yeah storage facility there was a

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doggy care facility that wasn't allowed
there uh but with that being said

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currently our code would not allow this
and I agree with the development

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department with their answer that no you
can't do that and if they sold on the

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site if they had a walk in Custer and
sold product would that me

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commercial if it was a clearly a
commercial use yeah I mean you couldn't

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just window dress it and say oh yeah we
got a we got a door over there and let's

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put ours you know based upon appointment
only I mean if it's a legitimate

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business
you can't you know dress it up as a

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business not have it be a legitimate
commercial site um it's it's got to be a

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legitimate business and you know what's
the definition of that you know I can't

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tell you what that is but you know when
you see it I mean if uh because clearly

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it already looks like a commercial
building so it wouldn't be that hard to

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say okay I'm commercial we're open for
business whenever we get a customer that

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decides they want to come in and you
they happen to have a customer come in

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and I'm not saying that that that's
what's going on here but you know

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clearly there's a difference here
commercial uses intended

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for Onsite

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transactions you know with maybe some
sales I mean like O'Reilly certainly I'm

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sure they probably have some orders
where they send off parts places uh and

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I'm sure there's other commercial people
that do that as incidental to the main

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business but incidental the main use the
main use is a commercial

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use if there was a walk-in business
there that was a viable part of the

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business that was probably see more
reasonable yeah with a commercial use

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there's a certain alloud amount of
storage in the back whether you want to

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call it warehousing or storage there's a
certain percentage of storage that's

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allowed within the building when it's a
commercial use uh clearly not all of it

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can be out front when it was fair away
there's a certain amount of storage in

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the back and like I said O'Reilly has a
large portion probably half their

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building is storage in the back uh but
you know that storage needs to be

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incidental to the main commercial use it
can't be a warehouse that might have a

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cash register from that's incidental to
the main use which is

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Warehouse
so

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uh could we right now the way our code's
written it doesn't necessarily talk

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about internet sales it doesn't talk
about internet businesses uh certainly

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that can be addressed I think most of
those internet businesses I think we

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probably have a lot of them in town out
of houses is that certainly those are

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allowed to be sold out of houses and
uh but uh right now could we put in

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definitions that maybe help the code a
little bit on internet sales yeah we

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don't have something in there that says
internet sales at this point in time but

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we do have something called called
warehousing which fits this definition

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when you you know if you got packages
that you sell online and ship

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out other cities anybody investigate
what they've done with this

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uh I guess there hasn't been an
investigation of but know this it's

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warehousing I it's pretty cut and dry I
mean it's cut and dry what it is and

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this property's been zoned this way for
a number of years now

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yeah that original store
right what 10 15 years ago yeah

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obviously Fairway is a huge draw for
that whole

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area now it's not there that's right and

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so it's a bad idea to do it because as
it was put out by staff as well you can

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get a bunch of Internet

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businesses full activity yeah except for
vehicles coming in picking up stuff once

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while whatever
delivery which could harm though last

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person left that's actually
retail cost of it would be I think

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industrial warehousing cheaper I could
be wrong about that but maybe the new

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stuff more concerned about even old
detail areas too that could go in there

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that'd be kind of the death Mill to an
area

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that

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nobody it's cheaper I would
guess have retail in there as opposed to

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internet thing
where just not bringing anybody around

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yeah I would imagine if you talk to the
businesses along that strip they've

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already been impacted somehow by Fair
Way not being there right uh you know if

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that ends up being a long-term situation
where there's no traffic in there it

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would be a long-term effect versus a
temporary effect when another for

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another Commercial Business to come in
but I think those are all kind of things

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that Council would want to discuss if
they were inclined to do a zoning change

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or zoning amendment process for changing
zoning would be not UNAM you know unlike

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other ones that we've seen where you
know Council can initiate a resoning on

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their own that pnz look at it or the
property owner can get a petition that

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satisfies the
requirements uh

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to to require a zoning consideration to
go to pnz consideration if it's not in

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line with our comprehensive plan well
the council can't change that zoning

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unless comprehensive plan was also
amended and I think that's the same

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process you've seen on the two items
that were removed from the agenda today

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uh we had a couple that were removed for
resoning where where we had a petition

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but it's also not in line with the
comprehensive plan I think the owners of

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that property want to kind of regroup
and look at it again before it went

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forward
uh it's possible that the owner might

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decide to configure that business so it
might be able to be in that kind of an

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area but that's entirely up to them I
think and I this more hearsay from

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talking to the development department
was that originally I think there was a

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plan submitted where there was going to
be multiple retail businesses in there

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with maybe storage in the back that was
warehousing I think the indication was

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okay might do that as long as you have
the retail Parts out front but uh then

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there'll be indep independent uh
occupancy permits you know as the

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building built out in pods or whatever
you call it in

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but uh I think that's changed at some
point in

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time I know that um Luke Paris is on and
he I don't know if he has additional

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comments or not but I know that in my
discussions with Blake I think there

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were a couple things I don't know if I'm
going to hit them just right Blake but

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I'm gonna try to pass them along is one
of the concerns

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was there there's a plan at some point
in time in the future to have a

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storefront now I think you're actually
moving forward with the storefront but

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we still wanted to to bring up the
issue um but I believe part of the

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requirement to achieve approval and
accomplish what he's wanting to do

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immediately is if you install a
storefront then you're able to check

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that box you're meeting that requirement
of the

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code so I think that he's you're moving
forward of that to put in the

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storefront it's still because you're
saying limit on storage if you have a

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storefront no
percentage right from

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a from a real General perspective then
somebody might say well how much time

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and effort does the city put in to make
sure that storefront is

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active and so somebody kind of has to
I'm not saying this coming from like

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this is just more running through my own
mind uh just to fully think through it

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is if there's a the president of a
storefront but there's not a lot of

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traffic very
minimal but then you kind of feel bad

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from a government perspective saying hey
do these things even though it's a you

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know I think I'd probably feel more
comfortable if the if the owner worked

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with the staff to see if there was a way
to legitimately accomplish what he's

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after I mean it's possible we'd like to
have some other businesses in there too

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you know what I mean not just your
business but some other businesses in

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with you that may be sub you
know

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um but we've gota I I think we owe it to
the other businesses in area to keep

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that area viable as much as we
can because they invested you know they

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came in right they
invested and they believed that it was

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zoned this way it was going to stay that
and that there was going to be traffic

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in now I mean I you know we can only
control we can control right so we

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couldn't control the the store movement
and they needed a bigger area any so

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that's a big change right big change for
those

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businesses so now if we just say oh
we're just going to reone it I think

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we'd be kicking the legs out from under
all those businesses and their

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Investments it just doesn't seem like a
good idea to me on the other hand I I

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would like to accommodate the person
that owns the property I mean I would

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like to do that because we need people
to invest in the community so I'd like

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to
see if if you're interested trying to

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work on a way to to make it work what
would it take to make it

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work so we're not letting down those
other businesses we're satisfying our

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code he can work in with what it is that
he

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needs and I and I believe for the most
part you have figured out a way working

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with staff of how to accomplish what you
want to do but also meet the intent

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spirit and intent of the zoning
ordinance so I think they've got

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there so so you think it sits right now
where it would be without change in

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Z right this is um during discussions
with Blake it was hey a last ditch

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effort before you have to go down that
path of installing the storefront would

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be to come to council for some
alternative

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Direction and that that's why we're
having the discussion if if the end

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result is Council says
Hey the ordinance covers it as best we

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can please follow that guidance from
staff that's one alternative other

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alternative would to say staff hey tell
you what take this to pnz and explore

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making a change of ordinance to allow
what he wants to do those are kind of

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the two two options and I think you're
looking at my building is like a

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different scale right so like
26,500 feet a lot different some a th

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square feet that might want to have a
business that's similar to mine they

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just don't need right so much space in
an area they might need a little less

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space I
mean you're excluding them too so I just

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I think that's the reason for the
discussion is is are we really excluding

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everybody that might you know need space
that's more

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retail but it's online versus versus you
know open to the public all the time so

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what where are you where you find that
balance like what balance does the city

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want it's a
little my personal opinion right is

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traffic Walkin traffic to draw Walkin
traffic because I think that contributes

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to those other businesses in that area
and I'm sure that that grocery store did

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there's no doubt in my mind right so
when it left then that traffic volume is

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greatly reduced you know and I think
those businesses suffered a little bit

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because of
that so I would like to end in a place

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where we have some level of volume
coming into that building traffic right

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of people and cars driving by the other
businesses I think I'll have lunch or I

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want a taco or whatever it is right but
it would be helpful to the other

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businesses
too that's why I'm at I'm just

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one I don't know what you guys think to
I feel your way be a

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streeta yeah but we don't control the
kind of I mean you know right well

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you're trying to tell me I need traffic
in my building in order to I I don't

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care what you do in that building as
long as it's legal right but I want

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traffic in that building if it's in that
zoned area you understand what I'm

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saying it just might I mean it's nothing
going to replace the traic so no that's

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true but we don't have to we need to be
smart too right that's all I'm saying

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right so I mean you knew that was Zone
that way when you bought it

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right yeah yeah

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okay that's why at I don't know what
everybody else think I feel the same

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way the bigger picture standpoint I
think we need to consider not having

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Internet sales in C2 District not just
this one piece but just

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period it's already excluded though
right

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Elliot so yeah right now warehousing is
excluded so you I think the definition

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of warehousing clearly fits when it's
something that's exclusively internet

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[Music]
sales okay

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and the reason why I wored it that way
but you could have a hobby store that

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their main business is or gun store
their main business is to sell a retail

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product out of their out of their store
except you might still have some

432
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:48,200
internet sales involved I like I say it
would the warehousing has to be

433
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:51,599
incidental to the main Commercial
Business not the other way when

434
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,960
incidental that means the primary
purpose shouldn't be warehousing the

435
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,960
primary purpose should be a commercial
use which is not

436
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,880
warehousing you know similar to maybe
I'm talking too much but it's similar to

437
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:15,280
home business now you know home
businesses are allowed under Iowa Co but

438
00:38:12,839 --> 00:38:18,280
you can't move somebody out of the home
and make it a home business still have

439
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:23,520
to be legal I mean the primary use of
that structure is still it's somebody's

440
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:28,040
home and so the primary use on that home
and a home business is incidental to be

441
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,800
in a home so somebody couldn't decide to
open up for instance an internet sales

442
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,839
thing out of their basement which
legally they cancel out as their home

443
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:39,960
but if they move out they can't turn
that building into exclusive warehousing

444
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,960
and internet

445
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:50,960
sales so what I'm hearing is is that
there's no there's no desire to look at

446
00:38:47,319 --> 00:38:59,240
to changing zoning to allow internet
business in a C2 area right correct you

447
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,240
good with that okay

448
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:12,000
do we need anything else we need to
go no okay uh item C is talking about

449
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:16,599
Beggar's Night I think uh Brian wanted
to talk about that since Brian's not

450
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:20,520
here I think we'll remand that over to
the next work

451
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,640
session good with
that all

452
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,640
right okay

453
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,200
were we supposed to

454
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:43,680
decide or were we just having a
conversation work that's

455
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:48,240
conversation I I would think that what
would happen is if it was something that

456
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:52,240
wanted to actually bring on to an agenda
item at the end of the meeting when

457
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:57,119
council members make motions to have it
appear on a future agenda item certainly

458
00:39:54,359 --> 00:40:04,560
council member could ask that put on
there for official decision or official

459
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:07,359
deliberation well I do it's always
difficult when you have an actual human

460
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:10,359
being
invol

461
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:22,119
yes when you think about how that play
what's intended there um that's not

462
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:31,680
it and that's not a personal thing like
just that's sure and you know you can

463
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:36,440
you could make an exception because
we're like I like that guy and doesn't

464
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,680
seem like we're really you know nobody's
really buying that spot and you know

465
00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:45,240
putting something in there with the kind
of traffic We Wish It

466
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:53,400
Would um but it's when you begin to play
that out that it's like really in

467
00:40:48,240 --> 00:41:02,880
general do we like that idea no know and
so it's uh I think there are times for

468
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:10,880
ceptions right it's deciding whether or
not this is a the right spot the right

469
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:14,119
time or something that we would say
we're we're fine without

470
00:41:14,839 --> 00:41:26,319
exception and I I feel like what I heard
George say is we sure would love to try

471
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:29,240
and figure out hold out hope for a
business that would draw

472
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
traffic

473
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:42,440
right good to move
on okay item number five welcome guest

474
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:47,560
and public comment thank you for being
here tonight participating in the

475
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:53,000
meeting uh we'll open up the de for
comment if you want to address uh myself

476
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:57,079
or city councils uh this would be for
non-agenda items give you three minute

477
00:41:55,319 --> 00:42:00,640
time limit realize we can't take action
on on those on what you're talking about

478
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,480
tonight because they aren't on the
agenda and that would be talking about

479
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:09,160
them then would be in violation of open
meetings law also I'd like to comment on

480
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:14,800
any item in the consent agenda now would
be the time so anybody any

481
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:19,000
takers I'm only going to look for takers
within the room

482
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:23,400
this maybe this is a good time to say it
just so you know anybody that's showing

483
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:28,559
up asking for Access yes I have a
feeling it has to do with the fact that

484
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:32,920
we posted on social media the link
immediately before we got started that

485
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:37,319
we're getting so many of them so I'm
communicating with anybody any

486
00:42:34,839 --> 00:42:41,200
participant in the waiting room to get
feedback on what agenda item they're

487
00:42:39,319 --> 00:42:46,359
here for and letting them know that they
can access the meeting via YouTube

488
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:50,960
stream that's awesome um Barry is still
trying to join so I've asked Elliot to

489
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:59,119
let him know to try via calling so you
may see a phone number pop up there 614

490
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,119
area code 614 are

491
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:10,680
uh so just as a sideline Lindsay if you
look at the host

492
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:17,760
tools button there's only two things I'm
allow I've allowed that's chat and to

493
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:24,720
unmute themselves okay I
think for now that would be okay okay

494
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:30,880
but if we want to there we
go uh we want to pull pull off unmute

495
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,880
themselves we can do that
some

496
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,000
I okay that was sure

497
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:48,920
fun uh item number six consent agenda
can I get a motion to approve the

498
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:53,359
consent agenda motion second okay motion
by Co seconded by Min key Lindsay would

499
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:59,920
you please call R council member Brown
yes K yes miniki yes right Mo carries

500
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:04,040
item seven old a new business for
consideration discussion and possible

501
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:08,000
action item a is a continuation of a
public hearing regarding a zoning

502
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:12,079
amendment to amend the Maple Heights
plan unit development regarding location

503
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:17,240
and type of residential uses so we'll
continue the public hearing at

504
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:22,040
659m Elliot I'm gonna let you take this
one and I'm gonna pass the Baton off to

505
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:27,280
Paris if he's audible I am you all can
hear me yes okay so uh I'm on Zoom

506
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:32,000
appreciate the option to do this I've
got to step out to my son's band concert

507
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:37,160
here in a bit so um but I wanted to walk
through this I've worked a lot with uh

508
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Lone Tree on getting this uh ready so
they can take their next steps in

509
00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:44,880
development um we have the Lone Tree
folks online as well um to answer some

510
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:50,160
questions and there's a couple aspects
of this that um maybe warrant some

511
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:57,280
discussion and really some decision
points um so want to start with uh

512
00:44:54,559 --> 00:45:03,280
really this is looking at uh a few
different things um firstly it's mainly

513
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:07,800
identifying where some specific use
types will be if you can go into the

514
00:45:05,319 --> 00:45:13,240
ordinance um we can take a look at some
maps um but it's identifying some Ali

515
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:20,359
loaded product uh in the northern side
of the development uh a town home area

516
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:24,880
some traditional single family areas um
and then uh again just increasing some

517
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:31,280
numbers of those types um if you could
go down Luke to page I believe it's

518
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:36,480
26 so I included in the staff report the
uh original PUD just uh if anyone wanted

519
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:42,000
to reference that um but let's go down
and take a look at that initial map um

520
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:46,599
sorry it was a long document um but
there you go uh go back up to the parcel

521
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:52,160
map the one right above that I guess it
was

522
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:56,400
25 so um right now the Pud uh we're
primarily in this amendment talking

523
00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:01,240
about parcel B yeah maybe you can open
it up and turn it there I'm we're

524
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:06,920
talking about parcel B and parcel F and
while Luke gets that uh oriented

525
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:14,880
correctly uh partiel B in the original
PUD allowed for a mix of densities R1 R2

526
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:19,599
and R3 and then parcel F and parcel B
was on the west end of the project

527
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:27,119
parcel uh I'm sorry parcel B was West
End parcel F was a traditional single

528
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:30,720
family uh type uh zoning development um
and that was on the far East End of the

529
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,760
project and the pond kind of separates
the two so we're just talking about

530
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:38,520
refining kind of what the land uses are
here and what projects and things might

531
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:42,200
go there uh if you scroll down to that
next map that's kind of sideways you can

532
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:45,040
see what their kind of initial layout
was there were some town homes that were

533
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,640
kind of on the exterior of the
development some of those allei loaded

534
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:53,119
products in the center on the and that's
all on the west side and then on the

535
00:46:50,359 --> 00:46:57,599
east side you get over to more of a
traditional Suburban single family

536
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:02,760
development um but again with some uh
options to do some of that R2 or R3

537
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:09,880
stuff on the far East End so if we jump
back up to I believe it's page uh

538
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:16,400
seven um or I'm sorry eight um one page
off today um page eight is the layout

539
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:21,960
that they're proposing and what we've
done is um to get granular with what the

540
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:28,960
different develops are parcel B we've
split into two so it's parcel B1 and B2

541
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:34,240
um and then the rest of the west side of
the development gets zoned as parcel f

542
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:42,319
um so to talk quick about
B1 B1 is that uh uh what do we call it

543
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:47,720
uh Aly loaded Villa project project and
so what you see there um is a public

544
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:52,240
Street to the south of B1 and then
there's a public Street to the West that

545
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:57,440
goes up with paral a and then there
would be private drives that came

546
00:47:55,079 --> 00:48:02,839
between these units
um and then the other areas so like that

547
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,640
would be a private drive but then the
kind of opposing one which might

548
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:11,920
normally be a public Street would be a
green space with a walkway so um some of

549
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,119
these units would face out to a public
Street to the uh Far West and then the

550
00:48:14,839 --> 00:48:20,800
other all the other units would have
kind of a front door that goes out to a

551
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:27,720
green space with their uh access to
their property on the The

552
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:32,240
Alley um from like a car access um the
other thing in parcel B is uh you see

553
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,040
the north side of that development has a
bunch of smaller lots and then there's

554
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:40,680
kind of an area that's right above
parcel c um we do allow for some

555
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:45,520
traditional Town Homes to be in parcel
B1 um in those two areas um just because

556
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:51,040
of the shape of everything and the
layout it worked better that way so

557
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:57,960
that's B1 then partiel B2 is a more
traditional Town Home Development again

558
00:48:53,720 --> 00:49:03,559
uh alley loaded so things have uh
uh car access to the alley um the space

559
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:09,920
in between things um in kind of in the
center of B2 is again another Greenway

560
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:16,200
walkway path um that provides access to
every uh unit from a walking

561
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:18,720
perspective um and again those are just
traditional town home similar to what

562
00:49:17,799 --> 00:49:24,240
you will'll probably see in the
Brownstones or or lots of our other uh

563
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:28,640
town home developments um and then
parcel F which is the remainder of this

564
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:34,760
original partial B on the west side of
the development is uh single family um

565
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:41,599
so that went to just a normal um single
family lot for what parcel F was um and

566
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:45,079
then if you can go to the east side of
the

567
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:49,720
development um we didn't change parcel F
over there but we did um definitively

568
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:54,599
call out that parcel F can also have
some duplex units some R2 duplex units

569
00:49:52,920 --> 00:50:00,240
and those are shown ghosted in there on
the far East side of parcel F those

570
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:05,480
smaller Lots um so that's really the how
the layout of the development is

571
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:09,880
changing with this PUD request um the
other two points that are included if

572
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:15,760
you go back over to parcel
B1 um the developer has asked for some

573
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:20,480
variations to what our garage
requirement would be for a single family

574
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:26,319
unit so for a single family unit we
typically require a two-car garage um

575
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:32,359
only in partial B1 they're asking for
the ability to have uh units that have

576
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:36,440
no garage a onecar garage a twocc car
garage or or more a three-car garage

577
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:45,520
potentially um so that's different than
what our code would have um right now uh

578
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:52,040
the ordinance before you does call out
um that that can happen so that's how

579
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:59,960
we've written the ordinance um let me I
got to get to the right spot in my sheet

580
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:05,160
um the way it's work Ed is that uh each
unit is required to have a garage uh or

581
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:12,200
75% of the units are required to have a
garage and uh no more than three uh

582
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,559
units without a garage can be adjacent
to one another so we're trying to

583
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,799
understand that we don't want to have a
bunch of the no car garages all in one

584
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:26,040
spot um so that you know there maybe
only be three in a row um um and then

585
00:51:23,799 --> 00:51:31,680
you know again a minimum of those B1
units minimum of 75% of them have to

586
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:36,640
have a garage um with any town home
that's shown in B1 or B2 um they're not

587
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:40,000
requesting for no car garage stuff so
any of those would have a single or a

588
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,880
double car garage which is what our code
currently requires for a town home um so

589
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:50,960
that's
garages and then the last thing that we

590
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:57,720
have here is talking about adus and um
we've had a lot of good discussion with

591
00:51:52,920 --> 00:52:02,920
uh uh lry and staff and pnz we had some
good discussion about it um and really I

592
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:07,160
think and I'll let them maybe talk from
their side more from this the staff side

593
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:13,799
and I think even when the city approved
this PUD there was a desire to um really

594
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:18,160
look at having an 8 Adu somewhere we'd
had a a resident come in and ask the

595
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:22,280
city to allow them on Residential
Properties by right and we kind of felt

596
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:26,280
like that was maybe jumping too far into
the deep end and then this opportunity

597
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,480
presented itself and we thought well
that would be a good place to give it a

598
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:36,520
try in dwalk would be a brand new
development um one of the conditions

599
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:41,400
that we put in this PUD originally was
that the Adu had to be owner occupied um

600
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:46,359
or rather that the lot had to be owner
occupied for them to be able to uh use

601
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:49,960
an Adu um from the development
standpoint and and jamus or Jenny can

602
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,960
talk more about this there were just
some concerns that you know they

603
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:58,319
wouldn't be able to Market that or or
that it wouldn't work for them from a

604
00:52:55,559 --> 00:53:02,559
business standpoint of selling somebody
a property with an Adu and then if that

605
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,480
person wants to then move to a bigger
property or move on in Norwalk or or do

606
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:13,319
something now they don't have the right
to rent out the house and the Adu um so

607
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:20,960
that's something to talk about I think
they're willing to uh give the adus a

608
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:24,920
try in B1 um if we can come to an
agreement on how that language be

609
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:31,119
written right now the uh what pnz
recommended and what's in the

610
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:38,240
uh PUD would allow for adus um without
being owner occupied uh main unit on the

611
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:42,599
lot so that's kind of where we sit with
that um they can uh talk a little bit

612
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,799
more on their side uh about their
thoughts on that but I think

613
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:49,400
collectively it's just a matter of we're
willing to do what council wants to do

614
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:54,480
on this one from a staff perspective we
think it would be a a good thing to try

615
00:53:51,960 --> 00:54:00,400
as far as housing affordability goes and
and housing diversity but uh certainly

616
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:05,760
um understand if if there's concerns
about that so with that um I will answer

617
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:08,319
any questions and I know lry is on the
line as

618
00:54:09,319 --> 00:54:13,079
well I think it's a good

619
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:23,440
idea so it's Innovative it's it's it's
something new uh you know our good

620
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:27,480
friends at pnz you know recommended it
that always matters to me I'm not saying

621
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:32,680
we got to go along with them but we
asked them to do a job they've done it

622
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:39,799
and I'm sure they took this very
seriously I think staff is also probably

623
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:46,480
excited about this as well um yeah it's
it's different it's Unique and

624
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:51,280
um I'm I'm glad we've got a developer
that's you know saying hey we'd like to

625
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:51,280
try something like

626
00:54:54,319 --> 00:55:04,359
this yeah I know Bri is not going to buy
one of those houses that doesn't have a

627
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:09,280
garage but okay however I have to go
wander down wakanda they trying to cut

628
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:12,880
across country and saw some houses but
didn't have garages and there I know

629
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,240
there's some on that east side of town
that doesn't have garages so I don't

630
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:21,799
have a big problem with not having
garages I think they're going to put a a

631
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:26,720
slab Park cars I believe so it's not so
much on street parking am I correct on

632
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,720
that l

633
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:39,960
yes F he was available for questions but
he was

634
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:46,160
kid hear them so yeah then the ad I
think that's yeah I get the idea that

635
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:51,119
you can't de they own it or rent it yeah
you manage that so yeah I'm I think it's

636
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:58,880
a good
idea I recall the discussion we had

637
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:05,520
earlier uh uh in an earlier design
because I know you know we traveled

638
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:10,720
Eastern is we were looking for uh
different designs for how we might put

639
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:17,680
developments
together for a portability as well as

640
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:22,760
loil and we decided that a new
development would be the best place to

641
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,760
try that

642
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:28,240
experimentation might not work real well
in

643
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:38,599
just so I don't have any problem with
this because of that now the

644
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:46,440
question about owning and
renting I don't know quite how you make

645
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:53,319
that I mean you can say that first first
the

646
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:57,240
to but can you really put a tie bar on
an owner not being able to rent

647
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,000
something out of
that gets into all those private

648
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:03,720
property
issues I think they let that

649
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:16,640
out I think they left that out should be
it could be a renter or or a investor or

650
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:21,440
an owner yeah it's it's difficult for a
city to legislate own or occupy it only

651
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:26,960
and fact there's some pretty direct
State statutes that prohibit us from

652
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:33,359
doing that uh certainly a
developer can put whatever restrictions

653
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:36,880
they want on it themselves uh so if they
were to put restricted confidence on it

654
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:42,160
saying owner owner occupied only they
could certainly do that so if we move

655
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:46,119
this as it sits right now that would not
be a requirement in that's right I think

656
00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:49,119
the pz's recommendation was not to have
an owner occupied

657
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:57,599
requirement relating to that that's
correct the uh the way the ordinance is

658
00:57:54,599 --> 00:58:02,280
worded right now would allow for adus
without the primary residents being

659
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:06,359
owner occupied was there a reason for
that

660
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:11,440
Luke the reason for why we have it it
now was uh that's kind of what the

661
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:14,640
lundry Development Group uh suggested
they would need to feel comfortable

662
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:22,920
building
them yeah and and you and Elliot are

663
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,920
good with that correct

664
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,760
okay I kind of excited to see what they
come up

665
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:36,520
with I mean looks like a lot of variety
of housing types

666
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:41,240
here and it's pretty well divided up the
way they've got green spaces in the pond

667
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:45,319
there you
know and I don't hear the Public Works

668
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:47,960
director going crazy about the private
streets

669
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:59,160
so all right Lindsay have we received
any oral written comments on this we

670
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:59,160
have not okay we have public comment on

671
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:09,760
this hearing none I'm going to close
public caring at 7:14 p.m. item 7B is

672
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:13,400
the first reading of an ordinance
amending the official zoning map of the

673
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:17,559
city of nor Iowa by amending the Maple
Heights plan unit development regarding

674
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:21,680
location and type of residential uses we
just had a public hearing on this

675
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:25,839
amendment to the Maple Heights PUD luk
or Elliott do you have anything to add

676
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:31,079
nothing else unless there's questions
I'll answer him this time discussion

677
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,079
from Council

678
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:41,240
public he none can I get a motion to
approve first reading as presented

679
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:47,200
motion second okay Co seconded by Brown
Lindy would you call roll council member

680
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Co yes yes Brown yes all right motion
carries item seven C it's continuation

681
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,680
of public hearing regarding an amendment
to The Orchard Hills planned unit

682
00:59:53,880 --> 01:00:00,640
development related to high density
resid itial and neighborhood commercial

683
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:05,440
uses in PUD land use parcel one so we're
going to continue the public hearing at

684
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:11,720
7:15 p.m. lcer Elliott I'm gonna let you
take this one yep so I'll go ahead and

685
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:16,920
do this one um request here this is the
one that Barry account is is uh is on

686
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:24,160
the call for so 614 area code he told me
he's good so um we'll proceed with this

687
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:31,799
one um I'm I'm kind of looking at item
7D while talking about this um basically

688
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:39,799
we got a request for a PUD amendment in
Orchard Hills PUD parcel one um the

689
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:46,559
current Orchard Hills PUD allows for R4
high density or C1 uses uh but requires

690
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:52,799
an amendment to the Pud affirming said
uses whatever they end up being so um

691
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:59,200
the request tonight mostly deals with
the southern 2.75 Acres which is just

692
01:00:56,039 --> 01:01:05,400
over half of the parcel and the request
is to allow for the construction of the

693
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:08,319
concept you see before you which is a 62
and

694
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:13,119
up
residential project with h two row

695
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:17,720
houses um the buildings that are
oriented north south and then a three

696
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:24,839
unit
um R4 building with an elevator um

697
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:30,160
oriented East West this concept
originally had

698
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:36,559
the larger building Ora north south
directly adjacent to Orchard Hills Drive

699
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:43,839
they decided to revise the concept and
bring bring this one back uh to pnz um

700
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:48,079
so pnz reviewed and approved this one um
something that's worth noting as far as

701
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:53,200
the rezoning technically as a PUD
amendment being a rezoning this is in

702
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:56,559
our future land use map as new urbanism
so something that we wanted to have them

703
01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:01,559
do is put the park
behind the building Froning the street

704
01:01:59,319 --> 01:02:07,960
and so we designed setback regulations
to allow for that um that's what they've

705
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:12,559
produced here so um staff is pretty
satisfied with the layout uh the one

706
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:17,960
thing that is a little bit different
from typical Zoning for a property like

707
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:23,520
this is they have 72 parking spaces
while code normally would require

708
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:26,680
96 um I believe with Alice place that
was kind of the first senior project

709
01:02:25,279 --> 01:02:31,799
where we looked at
um doing a pretty significant cut to the

710
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:37,119
number of spaces needed in addition to
uh amending our code to not require

711
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:42,200
garages for senior projects so if you're
wondering about that element of the site

712
01:02:39,279 --> 01:02:49,039
plan or excuse me the concept this is
not a site plan um that explains

713
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:54,599
explains that piece uh the reason that
we split this into Parcels 1 a and 1B is

714
01:02:51,799 --> 01:02:59,119
because the first time this uh came to
the attention of council

715
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:03,680
uh there there was emphasis on retaining
commercial uses in the remaining ground

716
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:11,559
and so that's the way that I have
written the amendment here to um

717
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:16,480
basically just keep that Northern 2.73
Acres the same as it is right now and

718
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:23,480
still require an amendment affirming a
use there um the application is only for

719
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:28,960
the southern half and the owners of the
remaining 2.73 Acres have decided not to

720
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:34,119
move forward with any more detailed
amendments at this time so we're not

721
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:40,559
touching that it's just being cut off
from parcel

722
01:03:36,839 --> 01:03:47,200
1B um Minor Detail in the staff report I
found out while um earning my way up to

723
01:03:44,839 --> 01:03:51,200
full-time employment with the city that
a amendment to this PUD at some point

724
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:57,000
deleted the land use table for the
entire Orchard Hills

725
01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:02,039
development um and so so this thing is
putting it back in there the way that it

726
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:05,599
was supposed to be you know originally
from the beginning it was inadvertently

727
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:11,279
deleted so we're putting it back in
there um along with this amendment so

728
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:16,720
I'm happy to take any questions and uh
we do have representation for this item

729
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,720
here on the call

730
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:25,799
tonight does it Alice's Place seem to
work with not as much

731
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:28,359
parking heard no complaints okay and
like no

732
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:42,720
garages I like the design of it uh I
thought the last Council me or Council

733
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:48,880
meting or two ago we talked about the
north side as well and we restricted

734
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:53,480
that or maybe we just talk be commercial
yeah be

735
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:57,760
commer but you're saying we're going to
leave that open now or I TR the

736
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:02,400
applicants are not choosing to move
forward with making that change right

737
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,240
now so we're just leaving that alone
they will have to come back and do

738
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:10,039
another PUD Amendment at a future date
to affirm uses there which they've we've

739
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:16,000
talked to them several times leading up
to this meeting um Grant Wright who we

740
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,960
heard from earlier um is kind of
spearheading the real estate side of

741
01:05:17,319 --> 01:05:21,279
that so he's aware of I don't what the
city's

742
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:31,039
expecting we made no decision at that
time no okay okay thank you what can go

743
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:37,599
over in the panh
handle an access easement for Public

744
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:41,520
Works to get to the water tower
um

745
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:50,119
and if an accessory building of some
sort will fit in there then that um it's

746
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:56,279
technically rear yard so um it's not a
very wide envelope I think

747
01:05:52,319 --> 01:06:01,480
it's about 45 feet in width my
understanding is that's the geometry of

748
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:07,200
the site uh just to get the right amount
of space under control for the

749
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:12,240
app okay so no apartment building could
be put over there not with the current

750
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:18,400
PUD language
though

751
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:25,160
okay but if we accept this P the way it
is which

752
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:29,839
proposed then that could be right no so
I wrote the uh the language I wrote for

753
01:06:27,279 --> 01:06:34,240
this says that this concept will be
predominantly followed at the site plan

754
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,520
stage so if if we get a site plan back
showing four buildings we're going to

755
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:41,680
make him come back and do PUD Amendment
just like what we're doing right

756
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:48,000
now
good assume the city owns everything

757
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:53,480
South yeah so if you square this
rectangle off the remaining space around

758
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,480
the water tower is public

759
01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:01,720
ground l have we received any orally
written comments on this we have not all

760
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,720
right any public

761
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:11,559
comment hearing none we're going to go
ahead and close public hearing at 7:22

762
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:17,119
PM item 7D is the first reading of an
ordinance amending the master plan on

763
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:21,480
rules regulations and guidelines for the
excuse me for the Orchard Hills plan

764
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:25,559
unit development as cont take in
ordinance

765
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:30,119
04-05 uh we just had a public hearing on
this amendment to The Orchard Hills PUD

766
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:37,599
Elliot got anything to
add any discussion from Council further

767
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,599
discussion or public

768
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:44,400
comment I get a motion to approve the
first reading well I'm glad to hear that

769
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:49,319
it's nailed down what we're looking at
there and that we can't be

770
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:56,920
surprised because I don't want to be
surprised right like we were

771
01:07:51,799 --> 01:08:01,920
before yep so I'll move this with that
understand sounds good second all right

772
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:06,279
so motion by Co seconded by Min any
further

773
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:11,559
discussion Lindsay would you call a
council member miniki yes Brown yes cool

774
01:08:09,799 --> 01:08:17,120
yes all right motion carries item seven
e is a resolution initiating rezoning

775
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:20,120
referring the rezoning proposal to the
Norwalk Planning and Zoning commission

776
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:24,759
and setting a public hearing regarding
the proposed zoning Amendment to the

777
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:30,640
Norwalk zoning map by changing 7680
County Line Road from AR agricultur

778
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:35,120
Reserve to re1 rural Estates Elliot I'm
going to let you take this one yep so

779
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:40,199
this is a property that was developed
back in uh in a subdivision that was

780
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:45,520
approved I think 1978 and then
subsequently annexed into the city so it

781
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:51,239
defaulted to a zoning the owners want to
do an expansion to the house that a

782
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:57,120
zoning setbacks don't allow um it was
developed in a in a in a in a fashion

783
01:08:54,120 --> 01:09:01,199
that resembles re1 rural Estates so if
we rezone to that class they would have

784
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:08,199
enough setback space to do their
expansion all right any discussion

785
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:16,359
Council or public
comment I get a motion to approve moot

786
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:20,600
second motion by Mani seconded by Co any
further

787
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:27,279
discussion Lindsay would you call the
role council member miniki yes Brown yes

788
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:31,759
cool yes all right carries item 7f
resolution initiating rezoning referring

789
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:35,159
the rezoning proposal to the norock
Planning and Zoning commission and

790
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:40,480
setting a public hearing regarding the
proposed zoning Amendment to the Norwalk

791
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:46,799
zoning map by changing 1421 Sunset Drive
from C2 Community commercial to IP

792
01:09:44,679 --> 01:09:52,480
infield plan unit development with C2
uses Elliot yep so this properties is at

793
01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:55,920
the southwest corner of high road and
Sunset Drive it's where the Rodney

794
01:09:54,520 --> 01:10:02,800
Albert's house
uh was demoed within the last 30 days or

795
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:08,719
so um currently Zone C2 so the setbacks
take up about 94% of the parcel area um

796
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:13,199
in order for it to be redeveloped we've
got to get creative so we've got an

797
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:20,760
infill plan unit development ordinance
drafted up that we're ready to take to

798
01:10:15,719 --> 01:10:26,679
pnz if uh Council elects to S it
there all

799
01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:29,000
right discussion from Council
public

800
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:40,600
comment and I get a motion to approve
resolution as presented second motion by

801
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:45,440
Brown seconded by Min any further
discussion Lindy would you please call

802
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:50,320
roll council member Brown yes cool yes
Min yes all right motion carries I was

803
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:55,440
waiting for another one there's usually
more

804
01:10:51,400 --> 01:11:00,080
here uh item 7g as resolution accepting
infrastructure and approving the final

805
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:04,840
plat Marketplace at Echo Valley plat 5
so all the infrastructures in place for

806
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:12,159
this we need to approve the final plat
to create a buildable lot exactly that

807
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:15,360
any anything else uh I made an error by
saying accepting infrastructure there's

808
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:23,600
nothing to
accept so all right uh any discussion

809
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,600
councel or public

810
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:33,880
comment all right right can I get a
motion to approve motion second

811
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:40,800
George motion by Co seconded by
Brown any further

812
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:45,960
discussion ly call council member Co yes
Min yes Brown yes all right motion

813
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:51,000
carries item 7 H resolution approving
the site plan of Pizza Ranch our

814
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,639
previous action created the buildable
lot where the new Pizza Ranch is going

815
01:11:52,560 --> 01:12:01,920
to be constructed this is approving the
site plan

816
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:06,159
Elliot yep so Pizza Ranch site plan um
is that's the item um it's pretty

817
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,800
self-explanatory I think it's about a
12,000 foot building um I did a little

818
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:15,520
parking analysis in there kind of
explaining how the the arcade space

819
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:21,120
inside there um we didn't feel it was
appropriate to um factor that into the

820
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:27,480
parking calculation just because that's
predominantly a use for people who don't

821
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:33,040
drive they're typically passengers so um
we thought that made made sense to uh to

822
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:37,760
Omit that um something we' decided to be
a bit more deliberate about in our staff

823
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:44,080
reports is anytime something that
Council can wave is being proposed we're

824
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:49,159
starting to list that in staff reports
so um the only thing that isn't

825
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:53,600
necessarily Zone and compliant but wable
by Council would be the space count uh

826
01:12:51,639 --> 01:12:58,080
for parking they're proposing a 100
rather than the typical 100 15 um we

827
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:02,199
think that's appropriate because
Marketplace Drive was designed

828
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:06,040
specifically so that people could park
on the street so we think that some of

829
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:10,320
the spaces adjacent to the site can
factor into that

830
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:15,360
number um don't have a whole lot else to
add other than um the folks working on

831
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:20,600
the architectural elevations did a good
job indicating uh sight lines that's

832
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:26,920
something we don't see too often in some
middles so that's good to see um and

833
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:31,239
I've got nothing further to add but
happy to answer any questions if I can

834
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:35,000
all right discussion questions from
Council or any public

835
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:43,040
imput so the treatment on this building
will be similar to what's up there now

836
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:48,600
in that area I would
imagine mostly um yeah mostly Stone

837
01:13:48,679 --> 01:13:56,149
composits a little bit of engineered
wood composite yeah

838
01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:56,149
[Music]

839
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:06,960
any want to make anybody want to make a
motion okay motion by mini seconded by

840
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:12,960
Co any further
discussion lindsy would you call roll

841
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:17,120
council member mini yes Brown yes cool
yes all right motion carries item 7 K

842
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:22,199
it's first reading of an ordinance
amending chapter 92 water rates in

843
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:25,719
chapter 177 rates and fees providing for
amended secondary water or irrigation

844
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:30,880
rates
so irrigation continues to drive up

845
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:36,560
water usage within the metro area uh in
summer as a metro area we use about two

846
01:14:33,719 --> 01:14:41,719
times the amount of water than during
winter uh also High nitrates lower the

847
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,760
amount of water that de Mo Waterworks
can produce and we're running into Times

848
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:51,400
where we're looking at implementing
water saving procedures it is very

849
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:56,760
costly to the overall Metro to create
more capacity uh purpose of this rate

850
01:14:54,120 --> 01:15:01,760
change is to offset the overall cost of
producing more water we also realize

851
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:06,639
that a secondary positive impact is a
possible decrease of water usage we are

852
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:11,080
asking Council to change our irrigation
meter rates to an inclining block

853
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:16,280
schedule and to use that rate schedule
all year round Jean I'll turn it over to

854
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:21,800
you okay thank you um as you know we
have we charged $2 on top of the regular

855
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:30,159
rate right now two months out of the
year um last year here again was about

856
01:15:25,639 --> 01:15:34,600
81 million gallons um in that two
months

857
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:40,199
the was about 20 million so there's
about $61 million of irrigation or

858
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:48,360
million gallons sorry of irrigation that
we did not charge for um I think the

859
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:54,080
best way to put this is um on an average
day we use the city entire city uses

860
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:58,280
about a million gallons during these
high peak times when we're using

861
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:04,880
irrigation we use about 2 million
gallons and of

862
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:11,199
our U 5,300 MERS about 1,200 of them are
irrigation so

863
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:16,639
22% of the people IR using irrigation
are kind of um increasing the cost for

864
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:21,840
the entire city so we think it would
make more sense to charge these uh

865
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:28,520
irrigation rates and the schedule I
don't think we mentioned that um would

866
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:35,280
be 0 to6 ,000 gallons be 1.25 times the
regular rate 6 to 9,000 gallons 1.5

867
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:41,880
times the regular rate and above 9,000
would be two times the regular rate um

868
01:16:38,639 --> 01:16:46,040
the main reason for doing this um is
central Iowa

869
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:49,800
Waterworks not one of the it's just one
of the additional reasons I should say

870
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:55,760
uh Central Iowa Waterworks is going to
be doing an expansion the Sailor Ville

871
01:16:52,639 --> 01:17:01,840
plant it's about 160 million
10 million of that will be norwalk's

872
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:10,320
portion you just think about a 20-year
srf loan at 3% it's about 695,000 a year

873
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:15,120
we go a 30-year loans about 500,000 a
year these rates just get us a little

874
01:17:12,639 --> 01:17:21,199
bit closer to paying uh making those
payments it doesn't cover it completely

875
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:25,440
um but will help in that regard and
maybe hopefully people will pay

876
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:29,639
attention a little bit more um I'm sure
there's some

877
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:35,280
overwatering that doesn't need to happen
so just trying to offset those costs one

878
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:38,159
thing we did talk about and I'm not
going to ask you to do it tonight

879
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:43,400
because I don't like to throw this on
you but we charge an availability fee by

880
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:49,560
meter size we put that in place last
April and through our discussions about

881
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:53,800
this uh we realized we only charge for
one meter and we just charge whatever

882
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:57,760
the larger meter is so if they have a
3/4 in regular meter and a 1 in

883
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:03,560
irrigation meter we charge the
availability fee only on that 1 in

884
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:08,760
meter we might be bringing back we have
an availability fee for irrigation

885
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:12,600
meters as well as the base meter so that
might be something to think about um I

886
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:17,480
calculated that would be another
130,000 would really help go toward

887
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:20,400
offsetting the costs that we are
experiencing due to

888
01:18:20,639 --> 01:18:29,320
irrigation and I know that um Finance
work group reviewed this and admin

889
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:33,840
policy work group reviewed this and both
recommended that we move

890
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:40,280
ahead you have any
questions how did you how how did you

891
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:46,560
come up with the numbers there the one
point two times rate 1.5 two times uh

892
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:51,320
you know we really just kind of made
some comparisons with other cities yep

893
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:56,520
and
um there's no consistency across the

894
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:02,199
board we thought we would ease into it
and we thought you know if you only use

895
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:06,960
so many maybe not get uh dinged as much
as someone who uses 20,000 so if you're

896
01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:10,880
only using 5,000 to irrigate maybe you
pay a little less than someone that uses

897
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:16,080
20 we have some people that in the month
of July we'll use 30,000 gallons for

898
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:21,960
irrigation what's the average use per
household is there for irrigation or for

899
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:26,679
household usage household us
overall I don't have that I don't have

900
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:32,480
that because you know what it es and
flows from year to year yeah um you know

901
01:19:30,679 --> 01:19:36,600
last year wasn't the beginning of the
year was really wet uh it was less and

902
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:41,120
then toward the end of the year got
really dry the year before was super dry

903
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:46,320
and
um so I don't I don't really have that

904
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:50,719
number I'm I suppose maybe I'm wondering
a little

905
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:59,840
bit I'm on the committee that talked
about this so uh it's like um you

906
01:19:55,719 --> 01:20:06,159
know is if if some people are using 20
to 30,000 like that's not

907
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:12,400
9,000 and it's like so they're paying
the same rate from nine to 50,000

908
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:20,560
whatever they want so I'm
wondering if the if there's partially a

909
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:25,199
goal of reducing water
usage if

910
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:31,280
uh if we
like if the rate would be even higher at

911
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:35,679
some point too because there's kind of
like wow that's

912
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:39,840
excessive right I mean we're we're not
really trying to penalize people who

913
01:20:37,719 --> 01:20:45,280
irrigate um but we are just trying to
recover our Cost U Pick this is maybe a

914
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:49,920
way to start looking at it see what
happens the first year maybe we can

915
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:56,960
increase it after that what I'm thinking
about there is let's say we we also want

916
01:20:52,840 --> 01:21:03,080
to help people now not use as much water
so like again it would be the creation

917
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:07,719
of some sort of fund that would be that
that our residents could take advantage

918
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:14,440
of
to like if they wanna do something to

919
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:22,520
their lawn that would reduce the need
for water that we might be able to

920
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:28,560
be help like a some sort of a carrot
there yeah we have talked about programs

921
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:35,199
we kind of have a program in place that
Elliot overseas uh we don't get much um

922
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:41,400
traffic there we don't get many requests
um like water barrels and soil control

923
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:46,239
soil Rion control and or rain barrels I
should say it's like a soil um what's

924
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:52,639
the word I'm looking for where they soil
quality restoration yes so we do have

925
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:57,760
some programs in place to encourage and
if you do that restoration

926
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:02,600
you have more ideas then you end up with
more top soil so you don't need as much

927
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:10,920
irrigation to keep that on so we do have
that available okay yeah maybe it would

928
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:15,960
be matter of like if we wanted to make
this a big deal overall to the city

929
01:22:13,639 --> 01:22:23,719
there would almost be a marketing game
plan that would be hey we want to help

930
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:27,679
people use less water for their for
their laws

931
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,600
again that may be just too big of a
discussion on

932
01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:39,280
this why I could certainly talk to our
um marketing and communication staff and

933
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:43,440
see if they could come up with some
ideas on how to try to promote some of

934
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:46,920
those programs at the same time that
these rates are going into

935
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:56,440
effect yeah and if we find then that
they're being more used then maybe we

936
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:07,080
can think about how to make more dollars
available I

937
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:07,080
suppose that'd be a good problem to have

938
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:18,679
yeah send me an email to remind me of
this program because I might take

939
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:24,199
advantage of it because i' turned off my
irrigation the last two years three

940
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:29,280
years now hit your water barrel and I
mean the lawn in the back looks very

941
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:34,840
interesting by the end of the summer
but it's I I can't believe how much I

942
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:44,000
would have to water to like keep it
green yeah so it's like a loss

943
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:49,679
cause to add on to well go ahead I'm
sorry you're done so to add on so that's

944
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:55,880
for the current for the Sailor bille
expansion it's $160 million for 10

945
01:23:52,320 --> 01:24:00,360
million G 10 million gallons of water
additional capacity the next expansion

946
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:05,159
will be another from what I understand
is planned to be another 10 million

947
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:10,960
gallons of water per day but it's going
to cost like

948
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:13,719
$320,000 wow so the cost of producing
water is going

949
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:22,600
way and that's why it's essential to
react on something like this because we

950
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:25,560
somehow need to curve the use while
we're setting money aside to be a pay

951
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:33,400
for
the find a grass that keeps green while

952
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:38,880
it's out water huh need to have green
grass with less water find a grass that

953
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:45,080
will do that as opposed to I'm sure
sports turf would be happy to talk show

954
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:49,719
you some that stuff gets hot indoor
outdo or country yards they look they

955
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:55,679
look nice I like
mine a yard of

956
01:24:52,000 --> 01:25:02,159
Clover Clover keeps green
man one of my brothers in Nevada has

957
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:08,520
painted rocks you know but no I I think
this is uh something we need to do here

958
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:12,600
okay any other discussion councel or
public

959
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:20,560
comment I get a motion to approve the
first reading motion second motion by Co

960
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:20,560
seconded by Min key any further

961
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:28,040
discussion hearing none Lindsay would
you please call a roll council member

962
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:33,000
cool yeah miniki yes Brown yes all right
motion carries item 7 L second reading

963
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:38,480
of an ordinance granting to Mid-American
Energy company it successors and assigns

964
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:42,440
the right and non-exclusive franchise to
acquire construct direct maintain and

965
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:46,400
operate in the city of Norwalk Iowa a
natural gas system and to furnish and

966
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:51,320
sell natural gas to the city and its
inhabitants and authorizing the city to

967
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:55,840
collect franchise fees for a period of
25 years so we had a public hearing on

968
01:25:53,960 --> 01:26:00,280
this side item and first reading at our
last meeting this is to replace local

969
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:06,600
option sales tax on our natural gas
bills with a 1% franchise feed like to

970
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:12,080
also add that just a couple days after
our last council meeting held normal uh

971
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:16,360
mayor's chat in here we had several
people in attendance where they asked

972
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:21,199
questions about the franchise fee uh I
was I was impressed with the detail the

973
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:25,000
citizens of the citizen questions and
their desire to learn what what was

974
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,600
going on
uh I can't say they were excited about

975
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:33,199
the establishment of a fee but there
seemed to be a genuine agreement that it

976
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:37,119
was the right move to make uh their main
issue was disagreement of the fee

977
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:44,360
increasing Beyond
1% Jim Gan or Luke anything to add did

978
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:50,440
not no all right discussion from Council
or public comments yeah I was gonna say

979
01:26:46,679 --> 01:26:55,679
one thing is uh you know uh I'm sad that
we're forced to do this you know the the

980
01:26:53,520 --> 01:27:00,119
LW stuff is is a way of saying hey we're
good neighbors within our County you

981
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:04,520
know people come here they spend money
Norwalk people go there they spend money

982
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:13,119
and it's a way of being a community it's
a way of like sharing and you know uh it

983
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:17,639
makes me sad that we have to turn to
doing this because we're saying nope we

984
01:27:15,239 --> 01:27:25,480
got to keep it all but I think we've
been forced to make that decision and

985
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:33,119
overall I would say that I'm sad at the
overall perspective on taxes because it

986
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:39,719
feels to me like um we're just it's it's
another way that we're losing a a sense

987
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:46,560
of hey we're all in this thing together
called a a good city with good streets

988
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:52,400
good sidewalks good you know good safety
good good schools right and there's just

989
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:58,600
what's in people's ears saying I kind of
want to opt out of that now just because

990
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:05,040
I don't want to pay for that so I'm
getting on a hobby horse I

991
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:09,920
realize but doing this I'm just kind of
like shoot it was nice that we were even

992
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:16,600
though maybe we were getting a lot of
Revenue we were sharing it with our our

993
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:24,440
neighbors in Warren County I like that
perspective um so I it's the right thing

994
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,440
to do um

995
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:34,199
they can do the same thing
though yeah they are well they will they

996
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:38,560
are I mean George I'm not saying that we
shouldn't do it yeah yeah I just don't

997
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:43,920
like the fact that our hand has been
forced yeah let's get

998
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:47,000
selfish right now looks like I just
looked up Indian orans first time I

999
01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:50,920
looked at they got a 5% franchise fee
right now yeah

1000
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:57,119
Johnson just went to

1001
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:06,159
5% and did they do that
explicitly because they're like Johnson

1002
01:29:03,719 --> 01:29:10,960
at least was like we got to generate
more

1003
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:16,639
Revenue yes to replace it's a house file
718 deal yes yeah they wouldn't have

1004
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:23,639
done that correct I think that's true
yeah all right any other discussion from

1005
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:27,760
Council or public comment motion second
all right motion by Co for second

1006
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:33,840
reading seconded by
mini Lindsay would you call roll council

1007
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:37,520
member miny yes Brown yes cool yes all
right motion carries item 7 m it's

1008
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:42,360
second reading of an ordinance granting
to Mid-American Energy company its

1009
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:47,600
successors and assigns the right and
non-exclusive franchise to acquire

1010
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:53,000
construct erect maintain and operate in
the city of Norwalk Iowa an electric

1011
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:56,840
electric system to furnish and sell
electric energy to the city and its

1012
01:29:54,880 --> 01:30:02,040
habit and its inhabitants and
authorizing the city to collect

1013
01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:05,560
franchise fees for a period of 25 years
got a public hearing on this item and

1014
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:10,440
first reading in our last meeting this
is to replace local option sales tax on

1015
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:17,520
our electric bills with 1% franchise
feed anything else to add Jim L te

1016
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:22,400
discussion from councel public
comment one more thing I was I asked a

1017
01:30:20,199 --> 01:30:28,480
few of my friends if they knew that they
were even paying this one % and they're

1018
01:30:25,719 --> 01:30:28,480
like no

1019
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:40,199
idea 4% was 4% yes
wow you remember I mentioned when we got

1020
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:44,199
together with the Min Ministerial
Association there was more than one

1021
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:49,719
Pastor that said they weren't sure if
they were filed as exempt in paying the

1022
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,719
local op of sales

1023
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:55,239
tax yeah I'm not saying that's a
positive or negative for it it was just

1024
01:30:53,639 --> 01:30:59,920
an interesting thing that if it didn't
show up on the radar maybe it wasn't

1025
01:30:57,239 --> 01:31:05,360
that big of a deal all right can I get a
motion to approve second reading motion

1026
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:10,400
second motion by Co seconded by Min
Lindsay would you call roll council

1027
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:14,400
member mini yes Brown yes cool yes all
right motion carries item seven n it's a

1028
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:17,679
second reading of an ordinance amending
the code of ordinances of the city of

1029
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:21,800
Norwalk Iowa to adopt the Norwalk
technology in Industry overlay District

1030
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:26,040
so we had a public hearing and our first
reading of the addition of the overlay

1031
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:32,000
District to our ordinances at our last
meeting Elliot anything to add uh per

1032
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:37,679
Luke Paris he added what council decided
on for the makeup of the Niti Review

1033
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:44,080
Committee to the ordinance
okay all right so can I get or any

1034
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:51,600
discussion from councel or public
comment I get a motion to approve motion

1035
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:57,000
second reading as amended I got a motion
by Brown seconded by I think

1036
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:03,040
rule uh Lindsay would you call rule
council member Brown yes cool yes Min

1037
01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:07,920
yes all right motion carries item eight
future agenda items purpose for this is

1038
01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:13,119
for Council to give direction to staff
by way of motion to have items placed on

1039
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:18,320
future agendas it's not for a discussion
of the merits of the subject matter do

1040
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:23,199
we have any future agenda items
tonight car none we'll go on Council

1041
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:26,760
inquiries and staff updates number nine
I'd like to remind everybody that this

1042
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:31,119
portion of the meeting is much less
formal uh you may hear some back and

1043
01:32:29,119 --> 01:32:35,040
forth banner and general joking around
we believe this can build camaraderie

1044
01:32:33,119 --> 01:32:43,520
and cohesiveness between staff and
councel but please keep it professional

1045
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:49,239
Jim uh gotta talk about this
gy look at

1046
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:54,159
that well I guess so that's my daughter
Olivia uh she had her first college

1047
01:32:51,719 --> 01:32:59,159
outing pitching softball lastek weekend
down in Texas and she had three games

1048
01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:06,159
that she pitched and as a result she was
named athlete of the week for the

1049
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:11,080
Iowa I'm not sure what is
NJCAA conference so all the junior

1050
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:16,639
colleges in Iowa she was named athlete
of the week for it so she did pretty

1051
01:33:13,159 --> 01:33:19,639
good for her first outing in
college

1052
01:33:21,639 --> 01:33:25,760
mother lot of ours sitting on a

1053
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:35,679
bucket yeah anything else uh I assume
you'll talk about annexation so we'll

1054
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:40,679
let you do that I can do that our leader
during that so you could take the glory

1055
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:46,400
of talk about it okay uh
George Ed uh no sir

1056
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:49,719
Ellie real quick thing a little bit
extracurricular you guys know that I

1057
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:54,560
sometimes send you articles and and
interesting tidbits I run across uh two

1058
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:58,880
weeks ago today Donald shot passed away
if you don't know that name don't be

1059
01:33:56,239 --> 01:34:06,440
embarrassed he wrote The High Cost of
free parking which came out in uh

1060
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:12,920
2005 um it's a the book is big enough to
be used as a weapon um but it has become

1061
01:34:10,119 --> 01:34:16,880
kind of staple literature in our field
and he was uh he's a very very funny guy

1062
01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:21,840
he's got some TED Talks that are
interesting to listen to um his actual

1063
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:27,040
website is shoot
dog.org um so very enlightened fellow

1064
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:32,119
but he passed away two weeks ago and
just uh you know encourage you to check

1065
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:37,360
out his material if you're uh
ridiculously

1066
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:42,840
bored that's all I got good thank you
car nothing tonight

1067
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:47,080
wait with the warm weather coming next
week we're gonna have a lot of melting

1068
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:50,679
and we'll have refreezing at night that
turns into pothole season so if you get

1069
01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:54,960
complaints from residents we do have a
form on our website where people can go

1070
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:58,679
and report potholes uh we will be out
filling them next week so if they let us

1071
01:34:57,239 --> 01:35:01,239
know we love it when we hear from people
are telling us where they where they

1072
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:05,960
have
issues at the next city council meeting

1073
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:10,719
I'm going to have a contract from both
uh on the agenda to engineer what's

1074
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:15,679
called a dowar retrofit project on 50th
Avenue this will be a project from North

1075
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:19,280
Avenue to County Line Road if you drive
that segment you'll feel bumps the

1076
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:24,119
joints are starting to
offset uh this project will put Dow bars

1077
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:28,800
at the joints then we diamond TR it to
smooth it out it'll add about 15 more

1078
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:32,520
years of life to that road I'm just
telling you now my plan I'm telling you

1079
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:36,480
now because my plan is to use
reallocation of the ridge money the

1080
01:35:34,679 --> 01:35:42,080
money we had set aside for that
assessment project we tried hard to find

1081
01:35:39,480 --> 01:35:45,639
a project that's going to affect a large
percentage of the community but it

1082
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:49,639
couldn't be a full rebuild because I
don't want it start over another

1083
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:54,760
assessment project I'm just trying to
stay out of that for now um so we're

1084
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:59,320
proposing to use the money on that
that'll be on the next

1085
01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:04,880
agenda that's it all right Mr fire
inspector nothing all right Chief yeah

1086
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:09,199
since the last council meeting
unfortunately we at the police

1087
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:15,719
department had two resignations of
officers um one for medical reasons and

1088
01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:22,760
one change in family circumstances both
were um not really anticipated so to uh

1089
01:36:20,440 --> 01:36:29,600
fill those gaps uh you'll see at the
next meeting or request for funding for

1090
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:34,440
um an Academy training and we are hiring
now looking for two good applicants or

1091
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:37,440
actually we have one applicant in the
pipeline so we're looking for one

1092
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:43,440
applicant
now hopefully we find it uh just want to

1093
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:48,560
point out that because of the academy
cycing uh when they start and when they

1094
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:55,600
end and where we are in a hiring process
just starting um from today it'll be 15

1095
01:36:52,360 --> 01:37:01,119
months um before we have a person in
position trained and operating on the

1096
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:05,920
roads by themselves to replace the
officer that resigned last week so just

1097
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:11,520
want to put that in perspective that's
all sir all right thank you Jean Kelly I

1098
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:17,679
have nothing thank you olly you have
some business updates um for retail and

1099
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:23,880
restaurants just a lot of tentative
opening planning date plan dates so the

1100
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:27,920
sports plx Norwalk facility is open so
that's kind of within the the bigger

1101
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:31,920
Sports plex facility next to our
Fieldhouse that's the indoor tur and

1102
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:35,920
sports training so might have seen that
on news story so they're doing good

1103
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:40,199
Ember Market Vivid lifespa will be
opening soon probably the next couple of

1104
01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:45,119
months mullets still scheduled for early
April K High Golf is planning for June

1105
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:49,520
Christian Brothers Automotive this
spring um Cooper Central table on

1106
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:53,040
cockail as you know has been open for a
couple weeks doing super great they're

1107
01:37:51,159 --> 01:37:58,119
doing so well that there's already maybe
some talk of expansion in their really

1108
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,599
near future something cool with them is
they are working with the Fairfield and

1109
01:37:59,639 --> 01:38:03,719
I'm sure they'll be working with the
Hilton as well once they're open but

1110
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:09,239
they their guests that stay at the
Fairfield can put their food on um their

1111
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:13,679
Cooper's food on their hotel tab so it's
kind of cool and then their outdoor

1112
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:17,840
patio will open this spring Sunset
Lounge is now open already super packed

1113
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:21,159
and popular um so it's not just a
cocktail lounge it's got the full food

1114
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:26,400
menu so that's kind of another just cool
option for people to have hot works

1115
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:30,880
studio is looking to open by mid-march
um just another great health and fitness

1116
01:38:28,599 --> 01:38:34,119
opportunity for residents Pizza Ranch
would like to be open sometime this year

1117
01:38:32,679 --> 01:38:38,480
um I know they're still kind of in their
early stages but them having an arcade

1118
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:42,159
is kind of a cool thing for families and
all the kids that'll be here um over the

1119
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:49,320
summer for the tournaments and
everything at Sports Flex so that's

1120
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:53,560
another good option art um Hilton Hotel
also plans to open by late winter this

1121
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:58,599
year they've had lots of delays a lot of
electricity and things like that that um

1122
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:02,480
you know we all deal with neure Smoothie
Cafe and Bakery and Sports Nutrition

1123
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:06,560
Affiliates that's under construction
north of chat plan to open by summer

1124
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,840
they'll also have an outdoor patio and
then they're working on another

1125
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:13,480
development next door that'll include
more retail and a fitness fitness center

1126
01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:17,199
um we have another new upscale
restaurant coming to the former Warrior

1127
01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:21,840
Run Clubhouse they'll announce details
on that soon couple weeks hyper energy

1128
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:26,520
bar will be building south of Subway in
norlock central they'll double Drive

1129
01:39:23,599 --> 01:39:29,880
through super popular um all over the
place especially with sports and

1130
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:35,480
recreation areas nothing but healthy
drinks coming out Health lot of caffeine

1131
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:39,760
as you know we like um Credit Union will
be building just south of Hy River um

1132
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:43,080
planned to start this year as well the
done industrial Flex buildings are full

1133
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:48,719
so they'll be announcing all their
tenants soon the Koso State delegation

1134
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,280
trip tentative dates are June 22nd
through the 27th if you're interested in

1135
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:56,599
that please reach out to me the
Washington DC legislative and economic

1136
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:59,960
development trip is May 7th through 9th
so talk to L Nelson and orene about that

1137
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:05,599
and
budget um and then on Tuesday May or you

1138
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:11,040
want to talk about that governor and
then oh this super fun um deas is they

1139
01:40:09,480 --> 01:40:14,760
will be making an announcement this week
we'll put out a press release with they

1140
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:19,040
purchased land along Highway 28 and
Turnberry to build a new Clinic um

1141
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:24,280
they'll start this year around 20,000
square feet facility Orthopedic Urgent

1142
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:28,599
Injury Clinic um they'll also have
physical therapy and sports performance

1143
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:34,119
training they will plan to be open by
Spring of 26 and then lastly check out

1144
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:38,560
our new website we have for the
Southwest development Corridor we can

1145
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:43,560
email you that link but even if we just
Google Southwest Bor it will pop up um

1146
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:48,080
it includes our Economic Development
guide as well and it's just a really

1147
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:52,119
cool comprehensive place for people to
be able to get every bit of information

1148
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:55,800
going on in that whole area including
the annexation developers looking for

1149
01:40:54,400 --> 01:41:00,760
land or land owners looking to be
included infrastructure utilities so

1150
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:04,239
it's kind of kind of cool let us know if
you see anything that needs to be

1151
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:11,199
changed and that's
it all right

1152
01:41:07,599 --> 01:41:11,199
St would you like come

1153
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:19,199
on I just wanted to point out I did
deliver the March April activity

1154
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:24,599
calendar so please take a look there's
than 29 activities for all ages in there

1155
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:29,840
and we would to have you stop in and see
what our residents are up to thank you

1156
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:36,960
all right thank you Robin said she
didn't have anything so Lindy nothing

1157
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:42,599
all right uh Jason so the Norwalk girls
team finished the season with one

1158
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:49,719
loss um they're ranked fourth in State
uh and uh so they start their state you

1159
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:56,400
know Journey on
Saturday um with you know if you have

1160
01:41:52,840 --> 01:42:03,760
any time come join us at the Fieldhouse
for that game uh there're a lot of fun

1161
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:07,800
to watch um and we we had two girls that
were first team All Conference two girls

1162
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:14,599
that were second Team all conference two
girls that were honorable menion all so

1163
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:20,000
six wow that's like one more than a
starter uh so uh it's the tied for the

1164
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:26,080
best season in Norwalk
history um and we were champ Co

1165
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:31,520
champions of the conference this year we
beat dcg for the first time in nine

1166
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:38,239
years uh I don't know the last time we
were champions of our conference um and

1167
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:44,760
so and you know if you come pay
attention to the 59 real

1168
01:42:41,719 --> 01:42:50,560
jumpy afraid to take
shots stealing the ball passing for

1169
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:57,080
assists rebounding doing all the things
good coaches like uh

1170
01:42:53,840 --> 01:43:02,719
Pearl Brown also should say this since
we're bragging about kids I think my

1171
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:07,639
middle son may have run the fastest mile
of anyone who's ever lived in Norwalk so

1172
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:14,199
he ran a 406 out of
Bost so Tony anania who's a senior he

1173
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:17,040
ran a 406 something 1600 at state so I'm
sure he's going to try and beat that

1174
01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:25,119
this year he's a
senior but Jack didn't even do track in

1175
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:25,119
high school he did soccer

1176
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:34,480
so
anyway nice yeah I know that his goals

1177
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:38,320
are more he's a sophomore it's he wants
to run faster than 406

1178
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:44,719
but thank you yeah thanks for

1179
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:54,000
listening uh just a few items uh I I
want to com commend the mayor on his

1180
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:59,960
mayor's chat that did happen last last
Saturday two Saturdays go um it's good

1181
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:04,880
that you put that on I know you host
that sometimes you don't get a lot of

1182
01:44:02,679 --> 01:44:09,880
participation uh but the mayor invites
me he says Luke I want you to be there

1183
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:16,199
it's a nice invite and I'm there and I
was there at that one and um I I was

1184
01:44:13,159 --> 01:44:21,040
pleasantly surprised with I don't maybe
a dozen people yeah several outside

1185
01:44:19,159 --> 01:44:23,560
corporate limits several from inside
corporate limits on a couple different

1186
01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:29,639
issues
and I am quite confident that every

1187
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:33,440
person left that feeling better not
saying happy but feeling better about

1188
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:37,960
the decisions from the city because they
had a chance to speak it face to face

1189
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:41,800
one-on-one with what was going on with
the mayor so I'm glad you do those I

1190
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:47,199
know that takes time out of your
Saturday morning uh in case any of our

1191
01:44:44,119 --> 01:44:50,520
staff doesn't realize it it helps us as
staff a lot by him being willing to

1192
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:55,880
answer those questions with the public
so thank you for doing that I wish it

1193
01:44:52,599 --> 01:45:00,840
was better attendant we'll just say that
yeah and unfortunately the way I think

1194
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:04,719
that you uh get better attendance is by
frustrating some folks yeah I hate to

1195
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:07,280
say it but that's generally what gets
people out not necessarily the good news

1196
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:11,599
and we have so many good things
happening sometimes that just doesn't

1197
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:18,800
bring them out as much uh the other
thing I wanted to note is uh Doug Stout

1198
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:23,880
is a local staffer for congresswoman
Miller Meeks and he's done a pretty good

1199
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:27,360
job of being a ten to things happening
in

1200
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:34,199
Norwalk uh he brought the congresswoman
up last week and we presented her with

1201
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:40,520
this uh graphic this information little
flyer that we gave her that talked about

1202
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:45,880
the new interchange and also the
i435 interstate

1203
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:50,800
designation uh I was impressed that she
knew exactly what we were talking about

1204
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:55,560
with the interchange she had remembered
that when we uh visited her in D and

1205
01:45:53,239 --> 01:46:00,599
also when she was here last time so just
pretty neat that she took the time and

1206
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:05,679
Doug thought of us to bring her up for a
visit and can you hold that up there for

1207
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:09,719
a second yeah um you know Ty's a good
photographer but how do you'all feel

1208
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:14,040
about my picture I just texted her it
looks

1209
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:17,280
awkward if you want the truth I did no
in all fairness I said Ty I think I need

1210
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:22,159
to get a new picture she's like sure
anytime and then I haven't done it yeah

1211
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:24,920
the flag flag's not there you think I
look

1212
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:29,719
I think he look like a high school
football player was trying to make him

1213
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:34,560
look like
aular NE like you guys have seen like

1214
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:42,480
I'm not
exactly out you know Mr Olympia you know

1215
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:46,719
so I am now gonna close this
so that's all uh I was gonna mention

1216
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:54,040
about annexation but I figured
you uh on the

1217
01:46:50,159 --> 01:47:00,080
12th we could go Wednesday uh
staff and myself I was on Via Zoom but

1218
01:46:58,199 --> 01:47:03,920
uh we met with the city development
board about our

1219
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:09,520
annexation uh went through it was
probably about a

1220
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:15,440
two-hour public hearing and at the end
the city development board approved our

1221
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:20,400
annexation so we are in a 30-day review
period at this point in time

1222
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:24,800
so things went
well so good job staff

1223
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:30,280
they they were impressed with the
submitt I point that out I mean it's uh

1224
01:47:28,679 --> 01:47:34,199
a lot of them you just see people not
showing up for their hearings and

1225
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:40,639
filling out filling inform forms not
really providing a lot and I think the

1226
01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:45,000
uh hours that were spent on that uh but
whole staff putting together maps and

1227
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:49,280
assembling things uh they were quite
complimentary of that they pointed out

1228
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:53,760
and saying how good it was and I think
they really appreciated it and there was

1229
01:47:52,199 --> 01:47:59,239
at least one one of the board members
that indicated that uh we did everything

1230
01:47:57,599 --> 01:48:04,000
right it looked like this is the way
that it's supposed to happen yeah good

1231
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:08,800
and after a two-hour presentation there
were hardly any questions whatsoever so

1232
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:13,440
I take that and I take that to me that
hopefully the presentation answered all

1233
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:22,239
the questions that was kind of cool okay
yeah then uh on Tuesday on Tuesday Holly

1234
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:28,800
and I went down to the governor's office
uh where Governor Reynolds signed a

1235
01:48:25,639 --> 01:48:35,159
proclam proclamation recognizing the
17th anniversary of kosovo's

1236
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:42,199
Independence so that was really good
good all I

1237
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:47,800
have all right item 10 this closed
session pursuant to Iowa Code section

1238
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:51,599
2073 to discuss labor negotiations for
Police Department bargaining unit

1239
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:56,360
agreement Jim is this AED reason go in
close session yes it is can I get a

1240
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:56,360
motion to go in CL

1241
01:48:59,960 --> 01:49:06,599
session can I get a second okay so
motion wow I didn't think we were gonna

1242
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:12,000
go in close
session motion by Man seconded by Brown

1243
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:22,000
Lindsay would you please call R council
member miniki yes Brown yes cool yes all

1244
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:22,000
right that motion uh carries it is 804