[0:29] On call September 10th, 2026 [0:32] O'Fallon City Council workshop [0:33] to order roll call Katie. Mayor [0:35] Hennessy, present. [0:36] Council member. Wexler present. [0:38] Council member Wilcox, present. [0:40] Council member. Boyer present. [0:42] Council member. Yates. [0:43] Present. [0:45] Council Member Koskela present. [0:46] Council Member Link present. [0:48] Council member. Taylor. [0:49] Present. Council member. [0:50] Spencer. Present. Council [0:52] Member Cook present. Council [0:54] member. [0:54] Palmer. [0:55] Present. I have folks you have [0:57] agenda in front of you. What's [0:58] the pleasure? [1:00] So move. Wexler. Koskela. [1:04] Motion by Councilman Wexler. [1:05] Stand by. Koskela. Questions or [1:08] comments? All in favor? Aye. [1:11] Opposed? Motion passes. [1:13] Anything on the council agenda? [1:15] You folks want to talk about? [1:17] I have a question. [1:19] Yes, ma'am. [1:19] On resolution 910, 2026, a, [1:23] what's the purpose of that? Why [1:25] do we need that? I think we're. [1:28] Is that what it is? Yeah. We're adding this, and we're [1:31] sharing the cost for what I [1:33] understand is a slightly angled [1:36] picture from the sky. [1:38] Go ahead. Michael. I think [1:41] Mister Woods would probably. [1:42] Be best able to answer that. My [1:45] commentary information is [1:47] probably a little dated. That's [1:49] one part of it. It's actually [1:50] aerial photography that we use [1:52] on all our maps. So it's a new [1:54] flyover every year, and we [1:56] share that cost with all the [1:57] Saint Charles County [1:58] communities. Uh, it's a [2:00] consortium that we all kind of [2:02] chip in on that. And it's with [2:04] the pictorial triangle in [2:07] particular that was originally. [2:10] It's not really more for [2:11] planning and zoning stuff, but [2:12] I know that was part more for, [2:14] uh, the, the assessor's county [2:16] office and also for police to [2:18] recognize where doors and, and [2:20] different access points are on [2:22] buildings. That's why it was done. [2:26] Oh, okay. [2:28] Mr. Palmer? [2:29] Yeah. On, uh, 20, 26 f um, I [2:34] noticed that there was two [2:36] every every bidder put in two [2:38] bids, and I got to pull it up [2:40] because I'm blind. Sorry. Hold [3:02] on. I'm coming slow today. [3:13] Nope. It wasn't that one. There [3:15] was one of these that had two. [3:18] There were two options. One [3:19] were the where the city took [3:20] control of the equipment was a [3:22] meter on a sewer. Um, there was [3:25] a difference in the equipment [3:27] pricing between the two options [3:28] by the same supplier. And I [3:29] wasn't sure. That doesn't make [3:30] sense to me. [3:33] Mr. Bender? Yeah. So one option [3:36] was where they owned the [3:38] equipment, and the other option [3:40] was where the city owns the [3:41] equipment. [3:42] So on the equipment cost, why [3:44] would there be any cost if they [3:45] owned it? [3:47] On say they say that again. [3:49] Please let me pull it up real [3:51] quick. [3:56] Resolution d. [3:57] Yes, d. On the bid recap, uh, [4:22] the last two items on there, [4:24] both by track. Alternative one [4:25] were the city ownership [4:27] transition and the other one, [4:28] it's metering as a service. [4:30] There's equipment cost ones [4:32] 34,000. The other is almost 11. [4:35] Why is there any equipment cost [4:37] if it's as a service? [4:40] Well, I think they're still [4:41] recouping their costs for their [4:43] investment on the equipment. [4:46] And that's just how they bid [4:48] it. They decided to show how it [4:50] was bid. [4:54] I guess I would have expected a [4:57] higher recurring cost in a no [5:01] equipment cost, because in the [5:02] how didn't that how as a [5:04] service that works, we don't [5:05] pay for the equipment, pay for [5:06] the service. They amortize the [5:08] cost of the equipment into the [5:09] annual fees that we pay. [5:12] Yeah. I think it's just strange [5:13] how they broke it down that [5:15] way. But that's how they bid it [5:17] and that's what we have to to [5:19] make a decision from. [5:21] Okay. And then on the total [5:22] cost, uh, does that include our [5:24] cost of maintenance, etc. on [5:26] the when we own it, like when [5:27] we see the total cost after [5:28] five years, does that take into [5:30] account the cost that we take [5:31] on? I'm asking for the [5:35] comparison purposes. I don't [5:37] know if this is just the check [5:38] we write to the to the supplier [5:39] or vendor. Either the 162 or [5:42] the 183, or if in there we [5:45] threw in our additional cost by [5:47] us taking it on as equipment, [5:50] that they transition it to us. [5:51] Because there would be. My [5:52] point is there would be some, [5:53] I'm assuming, some level of [5:54] maintenance and whatnot that we [5:56] would now start to incur that [5:57] we didn't incur before, and it [5:59] feels like that should be [6:00] included in there. When we're [6:01] comparing service versus [6:03] ownership. [6:06] Uh, so if I understand you [6:08] correctly, you're saying that [6:09] if in the scenario where we buy [6:12] the equipment ourselves. Yeah, [6:15] we're taking on some risk that [6:17] there's some maintenance to [6:18] that. Is that. [6:20] Yeah, I guess let me, let me [6:21] try and restart from the [6:22] beginning. The two options are [6:24] one where they transition the [6:26] ownership to the city, and the [6:28] other one is where they retain [6:29] the equipment and they operate [6:31] it, and we just pay them for [6:32] the service. In the scenario in [6:35] which we transition the [6:36] ownership to us, there would be [6:38] some costs that the city now [6:40] incurs that we would not incur [6:42] if they did it fully as a [6:43] service. Right. [6:46] And are you saying that's the [6:47] maintenance of maintenance [6:48] cost? [6:48] It might be maintenance. I [6:50] don't know what all it would [6:51] be, but at least maintenance, [6:52] right. Um, or whatever else [6:54] someone does on a week by week, [6:55] month by month basis on it. I [6:57] don't know what they actually [6:57] do, but the question is, is did [6:59] that additional cost by us [7:00] taking the ownership of it get [7:02] rolled in so that we have a [7:04] total cost comparison between [7:06] the two scenarios? [7:07] Mr. Palmer, um, I want to jump [7:10] in. That does not come into [7:12] this scenario here where this [7:13] is based purely on the cost of [7:15] the materials and the [7:16] installation and the contract. [7:19] However, in looking at it from [7:21] a city standpoint, you would [7:23] compare there. Yes, there's a [7:24] cost for us to take it on. If [7:26] we were to take it on, if we [7:28] weren't, we would also have to [7:30] go out to bid in five years and [7:31] redo this contract again. And [7:33] there would be another cost [7:34] associated with it. So, you [7:35] know, that's that's part of the [7:37] mindset there. It's do we know [7:39] exactly what it's going to [7:40] cost. No. At this point. But we [7:42] would compare that to the fact [7:43] that we would have to rebid [7:44] because it would be gone in [7:46] five years. [7:47] Mr.. Snowden, I think we have [7:51] a. good line on the question. [7:53] If you don't mind, can we take [7:55] between now and the regular [7:56] meeting to research this and [7:57] get you your best answer? [7:59] Yes. [8:00] Thank you, Mr. Link. [8:03] Thank you. Mayor. I want to [8:04] circle back to 2026, a [8:07] resolution regarding the, um, [8:10] aerial spectrometry. So, uh, [8:13] you know, there's Google, [8:14] there's Apple, there's a lot of [8:16] mapping services out there that [8:17] offer the orthographic views [8:20] for free. Uh, what I wanted to [8:22] understand is, what are we [8:23] using? The oblique angles for [8:25] again? And to what extent are [8:27] we getting $13,856.50 of value [8:37] out of it every year? [8:38] Are we, um, I mean, I know I [8:41] use it a couple times a week. [8:43] Me personally, um, I know my [8:45] staff use it, uses it because [8:46] we can actually zoom in closer [8:48] on property and see a lot more. [8:49] It's got better, uh, angles and [8:53] it's got, uh, better clarity, [8:55] you know, um, as far as if it's [8:59] worth it, I guess, I guess I [9:01] cannot say for certain. I know [9:04] that's the going price. Uh, [9:06] we're we're doing our share. [9:07] You know, our the 13,000 is [9:09] based upon our population, you [9:11] know, so the county has this [9:13] contract with the company, and [9:15] it's this prorated over the [9:17] entire county. Um. [9:20] They've also used it on all the [9:22] building the owes to. [9:24] Yeah, it's a layer. We use it [9:26] on, you know, our zoning map. [9:27] It's a layer in there. We don't [9:29] use the pick part of that in [9:31] there. It's more just a [9:32] straight down photo. Aerial [9:34] photos. Um. Is that. [9:39] Just for what it's worth, [9:41] engineering uses it to we, you [9:42] know, somebody calls up and [9:43] says, I used to have a no [9:44] parking sign. I got knocked [9:45] down. Where's it at? And [9:47] sometimes we can't get that [9:48] from Google. And with this we [9:50] can go down to the different [9:51] years. I know Google has the [9:52] history as well, but it [9:54] provides us with another tool. [9:55] Sometimes when Google imagery [9:57] isn't good for that year it was [9:59] cloudy or whatever allows us to [10:00] go in and check different [10:01] things. Traffic related, sign [10:03] related, things like that as [10:04] well. [10:04] Got it. And I guess kind of [10:06] just doing rough math. If, uh, [10:08] annual visit was like a 138 [10:12] bucks in, let's say, uh, time [10:14] and effort to go out to a site, [10:15] would you use that more than [10:17] maybe 100 times a year? [10:22] Yeah, I'm sure my staff uses it [10:23] numerous times every week as [10:25] well. So, yeah, we'll get a [10:27] call from a resident and we'll [10:28] be able to say, hold on one [10:29] second. Let us pull up this [10:30] imagery. And lots of times we [10:31] can talk to them about [10:32] backyards or things like that. [10:34] So okay, I appreciate it. Thank [10:36] you. I know it's a small number [10:37] compared to the other one, but. [10:38] I guess another thought is, you [10:39] know, with Google, I use that [10:41] too. But we wouldn't be able to [10:43] lay that into our other our [10:44] zoning maps. It's a layer that [10:46] we can put into our own, like [10:48] our utility maps, uh, where we [10:50] wouldn't have that ability. We [10:51] would just use Google, you know [10:53] what I mean? [10:54] Got it. All right. Thank you [10:55] for the clarification. I [10:56] appreciate it. [10:57] Corey. [10:59] So I also circling back now to [11:03] 2026, a mr. woods had mentioned [11:06] also law enforcement can use [11:08] this. I would like to maybe [11:10] hear a little bit more of how [11:11] that would be helpful. Do you [11:13] see that being something that [11:14] you would utilize on a regular [11:16] basis? Because I got to be [11:17] honest, my purse strings are [11:18] real loose when it comes to our [11:19] law enforcement. The safety of [11:20] our officers. So. [11:22] we use it on a couple of [11:23] different things. Obviously, [11:24] the neighborhood complaints, [11:26] uh, on the more minor level, on [11:28] the larger level, the Swat [11:29] teams are tactical. Teams can [11:30] use them for lines of approach, [11:33] uh, surrounding areas if [11:34] there's a search warrant, if [11:35] they have to evacuate nearby [11:36] areas, things of that nature. [11:38] Good enough for me. Thank you. [11:41] Okay. Anybody else? Amanda. [11:44] I just had a question. Um, [11:47] Bill, 7890. The, uh, the sports [11:52] complex. We're doing the first, [11:54] second and final passage [11:55] tonight. And I just wondered [11:56] the reasons that there were and [11:59] all that tonight. [12:03] That's a record. So it's read [12:06] through the final passage. [12:07] It's just the record plat [12:08] that's read through final [12:09] passage. So that's an ordinance [12:13] on record plats. It's just read [12:16] through final passage. There's [12:17] no emergency, but we do it on [12:20] all record plats. We do two [12:21] readings. Okay. Anybody else? [12:29] All right. Seeing none. I do [12:34] have a motion to approve the [12:36] council workshop meeting [12:37] minutes of August 27th, 2026. [12:41] Motion link. [12:43] Yates motion Councilman Link [12:46] second by Councilman Yates. [12:48] Questions or comments? All in [12:49] favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion [12:52] passes. First thing on. Uh, [12:55] next one is the introduction [12:56] and demonstration of the new [12:58] volunteer services platform. [13:00] Let's get connected. [13:06] Good evening. Mayor. Members of [13:08] city council. Thank you for [13:09] having us tonight. So I have [13:11] the easy job tonight, and that [13:13] I am just going to turn it over [13:14] to Hunter Davis. He's been our [13:16] volunteer services manager [13:18] since April. I don't remember [13:20] the exact date we just talked [13:21] about it 2026. And he is here [13:25] to introduce you to the [13:27] platform. So I'll turn it over [13:28] to Hunter. [13:28] Yeah. [13:29] All right. Hello, everybody. [13:30] Thank you very much for [13:31] allowing me to have a few [13:32] moments to speak to you all [13:33] tonight. Uh, like Tanya said, [13:34] I'm pretty new here at the [13:35] city. I've been here for about [13:36] five months, and I've really [13:37] enjoyed it so far. I really I [13:39] know you guys get to make a lot [13:40] of the the hard decisions and [13:42] have some tough discussions, [13:43] but we're gonna take a few [13:44] moments and talk about some fun [13:45] stuff. So, um, I'm going to go [13:47] into our next slide here. [13:48] Actually, I'll wait for the [13:49] PowerPoint to kick on. All [13:50] right. So we're going to talk [13:51] about some of the opportunities [13:52] to get involved for your [13:53] residents. So if you ever have [13:55] residents coming up to you and [13:56] asking for ways that they can [13:57] get involved, they say that [13:58] they appreciate and enjoy what [13:59] you all do and what to do [14:00] something themselves. This is [14:02] going to be a presentation on [14:03] how to do that. So many of you [14:06] probably know, or at least [14:08] recognize the face of Bill [14:09] Gardner here. He's one of our [14:10] lead volunteers, and he has [14:11] served in every single one of [14:13] these capacities, and many more [14:14] than I could possibly imagine [14:16] over the years that he has been [14:17] here in O'Fallon. But these are [14:18] three of the big picture [14:19] buckets for ways that residents [14:21] can currently get involved with [14:22] the city. Um, these three [14:24] buckets are served. The city, [14:25] serve the community and shape [14:27] the future. There's a lot more [14:28] information on each of those [14:29] little buckets, but there's [14:30] also a dedicated slide for each [14:31] of them as well. So I'm going [14:32] to shift right into Serve the [14:35] city. Um, so serving the city [14:37] is going to be opportunities [14:38] for our residents to get [14:39] involved with things that are [14:40] happening here at City Hall, at [14:42] the Reynolds Center, happening [14:43] at the Justice Center. Any of [14:44] the spaces that the city owns. [14:46] Um, so working side by side [14:47] with our department staff, uh, [14:49] that are, you know, on the [14:50] field doing things for the [14:52] city, serving in some capacity [14:53] already. Um, these are most of [14:55] these are going to be ongoing [14:56] roles for residents who have [14:57] the availability in their [14:58] schedule for ongoing service. [15:00] So some of them are coming in [15:01] weekly. Some of them are coming [15:03] every other week. It might be [15:04] monthly, but some amount of [15:05] consistent, uh, servitude is an [15:07] opportunity for them. An [15:08] example of that that I put on [15:09] here being the Veteran Services [15:11] office. And so if any of you [15:12] are familiar with the Veteran [15:13] Services office, it's here in [15:14] City Hall. Uh, it's down on the [15:16] other side, not on the rotunda [15:17] side, but it got moved over to [15:19] the other end there. Um, but [15:20] they are here weekly, every [15:22] single day of the week, and [15:23] they are serving the residents [15:24] that are needing services in [15:25] that area. Um, other [15:27] opportunities in this area, [15:28] though, are the on call and [15:29] special project opportunities. [15:31] So these would be things like [15:32] what's pictured here. So this [15:32] is Peggy Feeney. She is a [15:34] member of the Speedy Bunch. [15:35] This picture is from a Speedy [15:37] Bunch project where the, uh, [15:38] that group of individuals came [15:40] in and was stuffing envelopes [15:42] for either an event that was [15:43] coming up or packets that [15:44] needed to be sent out to the [15:45] residents of O'Fallon. These [15:47] are things that we obviously [15:48] could do as staff within City [15:49] Hall, but that would limit our [15:50] capacity quite a bit. If we are [15:52] consistently just stuffing [15:53] envelopes over and over or [15:54] doing other event needs, that [15:56] we can have people that come in [15:57] and actually have a, you know, [15:59] they're coming in because they [16:00] want to be able to give back in [16:01] some way, and they want to [16:02] serve their fellow citizens in [16:04] here in O'Fallon. So this is an [16:05] opportunity for them to do so. [16:07] Uh, the example I put on there [16:08] are HR, HR team is moving to a [16:11] new system here soon. So we [16:12] have some IT tech help that we [16:14] have another volunteer coming [16:15] up to serve as well. Shifting [16:20] into serving the community. So [16:21] these are going to be a little [16:21] bit more of the forward facing [16:22] kind of spotlight events that [16:24] you've seen already. Um, so the [16:25] community events would be [16:26] things like random acts of [16:27] kindness in February, Heritage [16:29] and Freedom Festival. We just [16:31] had that one. So you're all [16:31] familiar with that, that event [16:33] and many of the other ones that [16:34] we offer throughout the city, [16:35] we being the city as a whole, [16:36] not just volunteer services [16:37] team, these events could not [16:39] happen. They could not function [16:40] without volunteers. And so our [16:42] office is helping connect those [16:43] volunteers with the [16:44] opportunities to serve and give [16:45] back in some capacity to help [16:47] with some of these community [16:48] events. Service projects is [16:49] another way that citizens can [16:52] give back. This is through [16:53] things like Earth Day that runs [16:55] in April as well, and that [16:56] one's going to be an [16:57] opportunity for residents to [16:58] come in, you know, in large [17:00] groups, plant flowers at the [17:01] different sites that the city [17:02] owns. So if you have [17:04] appreciated in any way what the [17:05] landscaping looks like here at [17:06] City Hall, first thank the [17:08] landscaping crew, but then also [17:09] thank the volunteers that were [17:10] helped up here on Earth Day for [17:11] that one. We also have the park [17:12] cleanups, the creek cleanups, [17:13] and other events like that. [17:15] Those are opportunities for [17:16] individual residents to come up [17:18] or businesses. They frequently [17:19] reach out to us saying that [17:20] they want to coordinate a creek [17:22] cleanup with us, and then our [17:23] team will help coordinate what [17:25] day they can do that. They'll [17:26] work with the staff to make [17:27] sure that they've got all the [17:28] safety equipment and things [17:29] that they need to do that [17:30] effectively and safely as well. [17:32] And then the ongoing events and [17:34] opportunities would be things [17:34] like our docents program. So [17:36] any of you, if you're familiar [17:37] with the Heald home and the [17:38] tours that we offer of that [17:39] space there, or the service [17:40] learning opportunities that we [17:41] offer through the city to these [17:42] are all things ways for the [17:44] residents to serve the [17:45] community. And then helping [17:49] shape the future. This one is [17:50] probably the one you all are [17:51] most familiar with, because [17:52] these are things like the [17:53] boards and commissions. These [17:54] will be opportunities that I [17:55] know all of you have some [17:56] connection with already through [17:57] the different, um, commissions [17:59] and boards that you are [18:00] liaisons for. Um, but our [18:02] office kind of, I guess co does [18:04] that with the mayor's office [18:05] and the administration by [18:07] tracking all the hours and the [18:09] logging, all of that on the [18:10] back end, so that we have all [18:11] that recorded for them to be [18:13] acknowledged on an annual basis [18:14] for their service to the city. [18:18] And then this slide here is [18:19] really kind of looking at what [18:21] we're what I picture our office [18:23] doing moving forward. So we're [18:24] really starting to hear a lot [18:25] more consistent feedback on [18:27] opportunities for youth and [18:28] young adults. Or as I put at [18:30] the top there, the next [18:31] generation of engaged citizens. [18:33] These two quotes were things [18:34] that I heard recently that were [18:35] really interesting and [18:37] inspiring for me. But the first [18:39] one on the left side there, how [18:40] can youth make their voices [18:41] heard? This is brought up here [18:42] in this space just a couple of [18:43] weeks ago by a young man that [18:45] came by, I believe he was a Boy [18:46] Scout, if I remember correctly, [18:47] but he was looking for a way to [18:49] have his voice heard and wanted [18:50] to be a part of things that are [18:51] happening in his city here. Um, [18:53] on the right side. How can [18:54] young adults or I think she [18:55] actually said high schoolers. I [18:56] couldn't quite remember, uh, [18:57] get involved in give back to [18:59] their communities. This was [19:00] raised, uh, a question that was [19:01] raised at the mIAC meeting just [19:02] a couple weeks ago as well. Uh, [19:04] I recently started serving with [19:05] cannon on that one to get a [19:07] little bit more involvement [19:08] with the youth and young [19:09] adults, to see the ways that we [19:10] can potentially expand our [19:12] opportunities. And before I [19:13] could even mention that that [19:14] was something I was interested [19:15] in. This question was raised in [19:16] that space. So I was like, I [19:17] guess I'm in the right area. [19:18] Um, but this is so all that to [19:20] say, I don't think these were [19:21] two isolated incidents. I don't [19:22] think these were the only two [19:24] youth and young adults in this [19:25] city that are looking for ways [19:26] to be a part of something [19:27] bigger than themselves. Um, I [19:29] think this is just a these are [19:30] the two vocal ones that I heard [19:31] more recently that are examples [19:33] of a growing movement in that [19:34] direction, too. So moving [19:36] forward, this is just kind of [19:36] some seeds that we're planting [19:37] for the future. But this is [19:38] something that you're going to [19:39] see a lot more from the [19:40] volunteer services office going [19:42] into the next year, and things [19:43] that we'll talk about once we [19:44] get to budget discussions to. [19:48] So all of that leading to the [19:49] point of why I'm here today is [19:51] get connected. Um, have any of [19:52] you already heard of the Get [19:53] Connected platform? And it's [19:55] okay if you have not. All [19:57] right. So Get Connected is the [19:59] name of the platform that we [20:01] recently have implemented. It's [20:03] been in the the integration [20:04] stage in the building stage for [20:05] a couple of months here. And it [20:06] started before I, before I got [20:08] here in April. But this is [20:09] intended to be a one stop shop [20:11] for all of those engagement [20:12] opportunities that we just [20:13] talked about on the different [20:14] slides there. But this is [20:16] supposed to be a space where [20:17] residents from anywhere they've [20:19] been connected with us in the [20:20] past or if they have, are [20:21] wanting to seek us out for the [20:22] first time. If they were [20:23] wanting to find an opportunity [20:24] to get involved, they can go to [20:26] the site, they can look at all [20:27] the details as far as like when [20:28] what's the commitment level [20:29] look like? What do I need to [20:31] have? What qualifications? When [20:33] do they meet? Where do they [20:34] meet all those kinds of pieces? [20:35] There? They can then request to [20:37] be a part of that opportunity [20:38] by creating an account. It's [20:40] just an email is really all it [20:41] needs. And then that will allow [20:43] them to be on our radar so that [20:44] we can follow up with them for [20:45] future opportunities to serve [20:46] as well. Um, the bonus I put [20:48] down there is having their [20:49] lifetime hours logged. Like I [20:50] said, Bill is in our system and [20:51] he has far and far and away [20:54] many more than the second [20:55] closest volunteer. So we have [20:57] lifetime hours logged from even [20:59] before we were in Get Connected [21:00] because we did have another [21:01] database before this one as [21:02] well. And then that little [21:03] piece at the bottom right [21:04] corner just says that the [21:05] council accounts are ready. If [21:06] you haven't already received [21:07] anything to your council email [21:09] address, you should have, but [21:11] there is an account that was [21:12] created for you that is that will that will be [21:15] connected to that city account [21:16] so that you have the [21:17] opportunity to log in and check [21:18] out some of these opportunities [21:19] to if you haven't, just get in [21:21] touch with me and I will find a [21:23] way to get you. [21:23] Connected with you. I haven't, you haven't, I have [21:26] not received an email on it. [21:27] Okay. You know, it might not [21:28] actually create the account [21:30] then it just puts it into the [21:31] system so that when you log in, [21:32] it recognizes that. Um, because [21:34] I know that Katie just uploaded [21:36] that for the new council [21:37] members that weren't here last [21:38] year, but all of you that were [21:40] here last year as well were [21:41] already in ballistics. And all [21:42] of that data was transferred [21:43] over to this system here. So [21:45] I'll look into that a little [21:46] bit more with the team, and [21:47] we'll follow up on that. So [21:51] this is a quick screenshot of [21:52] what that site looks like. Um, [21:53] but this is I didn't want to [21:55] take you through the whole site [21:56] demo right now. It'd be a [21:57] little bit too much to go into [21:58] tonight. And I hear this [21:59] electron does not have [22:00] internet. So, um, this is just [22:02] a screenshot of that main page. [22:03] The programs is the first thing [22:04] that you see. Each of those [22:05] boxes, they're the first three [22:06] that are listed are adopter [22:08] programs, boards, commissions [22:09] and committees. And then [22:10] community outreach. Um, there [22:12] are 12 of those programs total [22:13] right now that are on that [22:14] site, but we are still in that [22:15] building out stage. So you're [22:17] probably going to see a few [22:18] changes to this site as we go [22:20] forward. Um, one of those is [22:22] already the youth and Youth and [22:23] young adults programs, or youth [22:25] service opportunities, [22:26] something in that realm. Um, [22:27] but that's the piece that we [22:28] are building out right now. So [22:29] that that student that asks for [22:31] mine and the the student that [22:32] asked, I'm here at the council [22:33] meeting a few weeks ago, have [22:34] those opportunities readily [22:35] available for them to see what [22:37] they can be a part of. The [22:38] other piece that's pretty [22:39] customizable is that left hand [22:40] side? Um, it says, um, put my [22:43] oh, I guess it's right in front [22:44] of me. Oh, you got remembering [22:45] nine 11, the volunteer [22:46] newsletter, Senior resources, [22:48] veteran resources, community [22:50] resources. These are all pieces [22:51] that we can customize and that [22:53] we have selected to have right [22:54] there on the front display [22:55] page. For instance, the [22:56] remembering nine over 11. [22:57] That's not there year round. [22:59] That's something that we put up [22:59] because obviously the event is [23:01] coming up and we have a couple [23:02] different events commemorating [23:04] that date coming up tomorrow [23:05] and on Saturday. So after this [23:07] weekend, we're going to swap [23:08] that out for the next set of [23:09] events that's coming up. So [23:10] that is something that we will [23:12] use to make sure that this is [23:13] always up to date. And the most [23:15] relevant for the citizens on [23:16] this page. [23:19] Honor on the boards and [23:21] commissions. Does that get back [23:24] to Katie? [23:25] It does. Yeah. So when they [23:26] click on that one, that one in [23:27] particular takes them to a page [23:29] that tells them what the [23:29] different boards and [23:30] commissions are and how to [23:32] apply for those. [23:33] And that'll link that. And then [23:34] that goes to Katie, right? [23:36] Yes. Yeah. It leaks them to [23:37] that general application that [23:38] tells them how to go through [23:39] Katie and the rest of your team [23:40] for that. [23:41] Thank you. [23:44] So if you hear any of these, phrases or [23:47] anything else that's in this [23:48] realm, how can I give back? How [23:50] can I get involved? I want to [23:51] make a difference in my [23:52] community. Anything like this. [23:54] should hopefully trigger [23:55] this conversation today or [23:57] trigger memory for this [23:57] conversation today, where the [23:59] guy that spoke a little too [24:00] quickly and rambled at times [24:01] came and told you about a [24:02] system that connects them with [24:04] those opportunities called Get [24:06] Connected. Um, so this right [24:07] here, this obviously you don't [24:09] have to scan this right now. [24:10] It's all on the TV here for [24:11] O'Fallon TV. But, um, this is [24:13] an opportunity to go to the [24:15] site here. All of your [24:16] residents can go to this site [24:17] and look for those ways to get [24:19] involved. If any of them have [24:20] questions beyond what we offer [24:22] there, or if they're looking [24:23] for something that we don't [24:24] offer that's not currently [24:25] listed on that site, that does [24:27] not mean that it can't exist. [24:28] Just connect them with our [24:29] office, connect them with me [24:30] directly, and I'd be happy to [24:31] start talking to talking about [24:32] opportunities for growing the program moving [24:35] forward. With that, I believe. [24:39] Yes, I will open that up to any [24:40] questions that you guys have. [24:41] Questions for. Hunter, Mr. [24:43] Wexler? [24:44] Thank you. Not really a [24:45] question. I just tried to log [24:46] in there, and when you put your [24:47] city city email in, it [24:49] automatically sends you a [24:50] password reset to your city [24:52] email. Super easy. Okay. You [24:55] just reset your password and [24:58] quickly log in. So super easy. [25:00] That's great to know. I [25:00] appreciate. [25:01] What happens when your code [25:02] doesn't work. [25:04] Then you let me know and I'll [25:06] follow up with you on that. [25:07] Yeah. [25:08] My code doesn't work. [25:10] Okay, I'll follow up with you. [25:12] Mr. Palmer. [25:14] Uh, welcome to the city. I [25:15] think you got about as much [25:16] time as half of us up here. [25:18] Sure. Clearly doing much better [25:19] than we are. So, uh, especially [25:21] on the rambling part. I speak [25:23] for myself on that one. I did [25:24] have a couple questions, [25:25] though. Um, have you? Well, [25:28] three questions. One is, can [25:29] they also get there through the [25:30] city website? So if they go to [25:31] the city website, they'll say, [25:32] okay, good. Yes. And then have [25:34] you thought about I don't know [25:35] if we can do this or if there's [25:36] an ability, but I think about [25:38] churches and they have youth [25:39] groups and they have the same [25:40] thing where a lot of these [25:41] questions get asked, how can I [25:42] go do that? I don't know if [25:43] there's a way to outreach [25:44] specifically to ecclesiastical [25:45] leaders in the community, but [25:47] that might be an opportunity. [25:48] And then the other thought I [25:49] had was, do you present to like [25:51] the senior advisory Committee? [25:52] Because it feels like I mean, [25:54] there might be a lot of [25:55] opportunities there that are on [25:56] there unaware of. So just some [25:57] thoughts. [25:58] Yes, absolutely. Uh, and to [26:00] I'll see if I can remember all [26:01] three of those in order for the [26:02] first one. Yes. If you go to [26:03] the city's website and then you [26:05] visit the volunteer services [26:06] page, or if you just I've [26:07] tested this a few times. If you [26:08] just Google volunteer O'Fallon, [26:10] um, then this is the first site [26:11] that pops up and it'll take you [26:13] to a I think it'll take you to [26:14] the city's web page first, [26:15] which has a direct link to this [26:17] portal. And then for the second [26:19] question, as far as getting in [26:20] touch with the local churches [26:21] and congregations in the area. [26:23] Yes, that is an opportunity. [26:25] It's listed on the website on [26:26] that main page for O'Fallon of [26:28] like if you are a group looking [26:29] to provide service to the city [26:31] in some way, then you can get [26:32] in touch with us and we can set [26:33] that up. So a lot of times we [26:35] see that through the, uh, serve [26:37] days that I was talking about [26:38] on. [26:40] Um. [26:42] This page here. Um, so a lot of [26:43] times we'll either be contacted [26:45] by local businesses or churches [26:46] or any other group of people in [26:48] this area that want to clean up [26:50] a park that's near their [26:51] location or near their church [26:52] building. Then they can reach [26:53] out to us and set that up. [26:55] Something that I am looking [26:56] personally to doing is kind of [26:58] in this realm is reaching out [26:59] to specifically youth groups in [27:00] the area as well, looking for [27:02] ways that those groups can get [27:03] involved. And if they haven't [27:04] thought about service in some [27:05] capacity in, you know already, [27:07] if they haven't been talking [27:08] about that, that's something [27:09] that I am personally planning [27:10] on connecting with them and [27:12] seeing if they're aware of. And [27:14] then the I did forget the third [27:16] question. What was that third [27:17] one? [27:18] Seniors. [27:18] Yes. Um, so the [27:20] seniors, I actually right when [27:21] I started, I was invited to [27:22] come and speak at the Senior [27:23] Resident Advisory Committee. So [27:26] I've made a connection there [27:26] with, uh, the chairman of their [27:28] board. And then I also have [27:29] that connection, I believe, [27:31] with his wife in our office as [27:32] well. So, um, they're very [27:34] aware of the things that we're [27:35] offering as far as the [27:36] introduction of Get Connected [27:37] goes. But it's also a it's a [27:39] pathway that we've opened up by [27:40] me attending that meeting. [27:43] Amanda, hi. [27:45] Nice to meet you. Uh, I had a [27:49] question about specifically the [27:52] commissions when on that one, [27:54] the commissions and boards. You [27:56] go to that page and you said [27:58] there's a way to apply. I was [28:00] wondering if there's anything [28:02] that connects people to the [28:05] members of that board. I'm [28:06] thinking of, like cultural [28:08] arts. I was on there if if [28:10] someone, one of our residents [28:11] had a question directly for [28:13] cultural arts, there's no way [28:15] for them to actually get in [28:16] touch with the people on that [28:18] board right now. Yeah. And I [28:19] just wondered if that was [28:21] something that you could even [28:22] add or do on there. [28:25] That is a great question that I [28:26] may have to defer, because I [28:27] don't know if I oversee the the [28:28] functioning of those boards to [28:30] that extent. Would that be. [28:32] My my suggestion would be if [28:34] it's possible for them to [28:36] contact the liaison for that [28:38] Border Commission, because we [28:40] have each one of. [28:41] You on there. [28:42] Each one of you is that would [28:44] be a Mister Michalka question. [28:47] But he's not over there. So but [28:49] my my thing is I would each one [28:53] of you is on a border, uh, [28:55] liaison to one of the boards [28:56] and commissions. So if one of [28:58] those residents had a question [29:00] to me that would go to I don't want to send it to the [29:04] chairman of that. I really [29:06] don't to me, it should go to [29:08] the liaison. [29:09] So maybe even to put the [29:11] liaison contact on those [29:13] commissions. They know who the [29:14] liaison is or something like [29:16] that. It's just that I know a [29:17] lot of people have how do I get [29:19] in contact with planning and [29:21] zoning or something like that, they have no way to get in [29:24] contact with them. So, and they [29:26] don't know who to go to. [29:27] I agree, I agree with what [29:29] Mayor Hennessy said, and we [29:31] have talked about this in the [29:32] past, and I can't remember if [29:33] it was with Tony or with Tom, [29:35] but there was hesitation to put [29:37] those the the residents that [29:39] serve on the Commission, their [29:41] information on the website. So [29:43] we have refrained from doing [29:44] that for that reason. But we [29:46] could certainly find a way, [29:47] whether it's on volunteer [29:49] services or within the city's [29:51] website, to list the liaison. [29:54] Anybody else? Debbie. [29:58] Thank you. Mayor. Welcome, [29:59] Hunter. It's nice. [29:59] To see you. Thank you. Um. [30:01] There's a lot of high schoolers [30:02] that need, uh, service hours. [30:04] Yes. So do you have a spot [30:06] where they can maybe reach out [30:08] to the city for things like [30:09] that? [30:09] Yeah. So that is a, uh, a [30:11] network that I'm building out [30:12] currently. So I've started [30:13] reaching out to some of the [30:14] local high schools here to [30:15] establish the either the A+ [30:16] contact for their school or the [30:18] NHS sponsor for their program [30:20] as well. And that is I'm going [30:22] to start building out a [30:22] consistent, uh, communication [30:24] thread with them to whenever we [30:25] have something like an HF [30:26] coming up, I can send out the [30:28] information to all of those [30:29] contacts at the same time and [30:30] say, we have these [30:31] opportunities, because this [30:32] year we fortunately, we didn't [30:34] have any gaps that were unable [30:35] to be covered in some other [30:37] capacity, but we did have some [30:38] gaps going into HF that we [30:40] could have had some more hands [30:41] on for. And so, I mean, before [30:43] here, I'm coming from a, a role [30:45] at a university. So I'm, I know [30:47] a lot of fraternities and [30:48] sororities need service hours. [30:49] A lot of other clubs on need [30:51] the same thing too. So planning [30:52] on getting in touch, kind of [30:53] broadening a little bit outside [30:54] of O'Fallon and going over to [30:55] like Saint Charles Community [30:56] College or even Lindenwood to [30:58] establish some of those [30:59] connections to to see if we can [31:00] get a little bit more [31:01] engagement from that [31:02] population. [31:03] That's great, because I know [31:04] when my kids were older, when [31:06] they were in high school and [31:07] stuff, they were always looking [31:08] for service hours. So that's a [31:09] great revenue avenue to go to. [31:12] So thank you. [31:12] Sure. Yeah. [31:13] The service hours [31:14] component. And then also the [31:15] uh, just the resume building [31:16] from that age. [31:17] Okay. Anybody else? [31:19] Amanda., I'm following up on my [31:22] one and stuck on it. Is there [31:24] even maybe a way that the [31:26] board, like the president of [31:28] the board, could have an [31:29] offline email address that they [31:31] can contact? [31:32] Mayor. [31:33] The, uh, liaison for all of the [31:35] boards and commissions is on [31:36] the board and commission [31:37] webpage, as well as the [31:39] recording secretary with their [31:40] email address so they can reach [31:42] out to the city through that. [31:43] It's on every page for those [31:45] commissions. [31:46] Okay. I thought somebody up [31:48] there was speaking to me when I [31:50] was this way. [31:50] So it. [31:51] Was. Okay. Anybody else? [31:58] Thanks. Hunter Thomas. [31:59] Thanks. [31:59] Thank you all for your. [32:00] Time. [32:03] Next is amending. Amending [32:06] section one 10.200 Manor of [32:09] Judson City Council. Miss [32:11] Spencer, this is yours. [32:13] I. What do you want me to talk [32:16] about? [32:17] This is what you requested. [32:19] I think this is a wonderful [32:20] idea. I think it gives our [32:22] residents an opportunity to [32:24] come in here and speak on, you [32:25] know, whatever they want to [32:27] speak on, in matters pertaining [32:30] to the city of O'Fallon. They [32:32] can't just come in here and [32:33] talk about anything and [32:34] everything. Um, and I think [32:37] that it used to be this way. [32:39] Right. Um, and then we put the [32:41] limits on it, which I think was [32:44] probably warranted at the time. [32:45] And I think we can maybe kind [32:47] of loosen that up a little bit, [32:49] allow the first ten people with [32:52] a comment card to speak on [32:53] whatever they want to speak on. [32:54] And I think that the residents [32:56] deserve that right. [32:58] There's a couple things, you [33:00] know, are you going to allow [33:02] them to beat up on city staff? [33:07] No, I don't think it would be [33:08] kind of what it is. Now. [33:09] Hold on, hold on. Because what [33:12] you're going to get, okay, [33:14] you're going to have people [33:15] come out and say, hey, this is [33:16] city business. I'm going to [33:17] beat up on planning and zoning. [33:20] I'm going to beat up on the [33:21] police department. I'm going to [33:22] beat up on finance. I'm going [33:23] to beat up on engineering, I'm [33:25] going to beat up on it. And [33:26] they will call them people out [33:29] because it has happened before. [33:32] So you're drawing a very fine [33:35] line if you're going to allow [33:36] somebody to speak. You know, [33:40] okay. What happens when [33:42] somebody comes and says, what [33:44] are you going to do about the [33:45] vaccine vaccinations going on [33:47] in the city of O'Fallon? [33:50] Granted, we don't have anything [33:51] to do with the vaccine because [33:52] that's the health department. [33:53] But, you know, there's a whole [33:56] lot of things that you're [33:59] saying on city business. To me, [34:03] that is it's a wide range. So I [34:09] mean, this we're running the [34:12] meetings are a city business. [34:15] And to me, they have other ways [34:17] to contact staff. They have [34:21] contact the elected officials. [34:24] You know, anybody else? Mr. [34:29] Wilcox? [34:30] So it was open agenda at one [34:33] point years ago. Is that [34:34] correct? [34:35] Uh, 6 or 7 years ago, somewhere [34:38] around there. [34:38] So what was it? Did something [34:40] happen to warrant the change? [34:42] All those things. [34:43] All things that I just [34:44] mentioned. We had people coming [34:46] up just. Putting our staff down, [34:53] saying that they were part of a [34:55] what was it, a country club, [35:00] people? I mean, to me, that's [35:02] not what they're here for. [35:04] They're not here to get reamed [35:07] and everything else from. The [35:13] residents to me, if they have a [35:15] problem, they get Ahold of Mr. [35:17] Snowden or one of the elected [35:19] officials and say, I have a [35:21] problem with this department [35:24] head. Mr. Snowden, can you look [35:26] into this? He will look into it. [35:30] So, Mr. Lake. [35:33] Mayor, on that, you know, um, [35:35] is there not an implied level [35:37] of decorum that needs to be [35:39] maintained where, you know, if [35:41] there starts to be a personal [35:42] attack rather than an attack on [35:44] an issue or a department that [35:46] the presiding officer can, you [35:48] know, either allow them to make [35:50] them forfeit their time or mute [35:52] the mic. [35:53] Yes, and I've done that before. [35:55] But they keep they keep going. [35:57] I mean, I do not want to put [36:00] staff in that in that [36:04] predicament, I really don't. [36:06] They're here to answer our [36:09] questions. They're not here to [36:11] get beaten up by the residents. [36:14] Miss Taylor. [36:16] I mean, I was going to mention [36:18] that we have it specifically in [36:20] the ordinance to, uh, respect, [36:23] you know, keep decorum. And, [36:26] uh, I think that should handle [36:28] it. I mean, if we can't control [36:31] them after that, I mean, don't [36:32] we have security here that can [36:33] bring them out or something [36:34] like that? But it's in here [36:37] that they have to follow [36:38] decorum, and it's written in [36:40] that ordinance. So, uh, I think [36:42] that shouldn't be a problem. I [36:45] know that people, even council [36:47] members that were on this [36:49] council before, no longer here [36:51] and voted, uh, for this change. [36:54] I've heard we, Corey and I both [36:57] have heard from several that [36:59] are glad we brought this back [37:00] up, because it does silence. [37:02] You know, it it might be. I [37:04] think we all can probably look [37:05] around and and look at our [37:07] meetings and know why this was [37:09] implemented or who this was [37:10] implemented for. Um, a certain [37:13] person that comes here and [37:15] speaks and, and attempt, I [37:18] think, to silence one person. [37:20] We have silenced the entire, [37:21] you know, city, all its [37:24] residents in the city. And [37:26] that's wrong. And it certainly [37:27] hasn't even silenced that one [37:29] person, you know, and and they [37:32] still come in here sometimes [37:33] and may attack. But that's when [37:35] we step in and we say that's [37:37] not appropriate. But I mean, [37:40] this is this is this isn't like [37:43] we're up here. I'm going to [37:45] talk about, of course, my ward [37:46] report. But this isn't like [37:47] we're up here on some throne, [37:49] and and the people have to [37:50] listen to us. I mean, the [37:53] people are our bosses, you [37:55] know, they should come in here [37:56] and tell us the problems that [37:57] they're having, and. And you're [38:00] going to tell your boss, oh, [38:01] you can't come, and you can [38:02] only speak on this like we've [38:04] kept it, that we speak on [38:05] topics that are pertaining to a [38:08] city business, that they can't [38:10] just come in here and start [38:11] attacking our families or [38:12] anything like that. So and it's [38:17] kind of funny, I haven't even [38:18] seen a city around that does [38:19] anything like this. I've asked [38:21] there's no other city that does [38:22] anything like this. We're the [38:25] only ones, so it's crazy. [38:34] Mr. Palmer. [38:36] Uh, yeah, I got a series of [38:37] questions. Um, kind of already [38:39] answered. What's? Well, I mean, [38:41] what what is driving the change [38:44] now? Um, and is our current [38:47] process for citizens to get [38:48] their voices heard? I'm asking [38:50] because up until two weeks ago, [38:52] I had not had anybody raised [38:54] the issue to me. Um, until two [38:57] weeks ago when somebody figured [38:58] out that they couldn't speak on [38:59] agenda item. So are you I mean, [39:02] what is driving the change or [39:04] the proposed change? [39:07] Corey. It's yours. [39:09] Because we feel that people [39:11] have a right to come in here [39:12] and say what they want to say, [39:13] whether it's on an agenda item [39:14] or not. And again, this was the [39:16] way before. And Amanda's right. [39:18] We there were changes made for [39:20] very obvious reasons. And you [39:24] know, you still have a few [39:27] individuals. I don't want a [39:28] single one person out, um, that [39:31] come in here and, and talk and talk. And I've heard [39:34] mayor say time and time again, [39:35] your time is up. You can't say [39:36] that. You can't talk about [39:37] that. And that's fine, because [39:38] that's how it's currently [39:39] written. But I think if they're [39:41] if you're going to maintain a [39:43] level of respect and a level of [39:44] decorum, and if you if you [39:46] deviate from that, then it gets [39:48] shut down. And if they want to [39:49] keep hooting and hollering and [39:50] screaming and yelling or, or [39:51] act a certain way, then that's [39:52] precisely why we have security [39:56] here. And they can leave and [39:58] then they don't get to come [39:59] back and speak. If you can't be [40:02] respectful and not attack staff [40:04] and not attack certain council [40:06] members, it's meant to address [40:07] council as a whole, not to come [40:09] in here and say, Mr. Palmer, I [40:11] have a problem with you, Mr. [40:12] Woods. I have a problem with [40:13] you, Miss Spencer. I have a [40:14] problem with you. That's not [40:15] what it is meant for. It is [40:16] meant for people to come and [40:18] voice their concerns on things [40:19] that they feel are important to [40:22] them. And I think silencing [40:23] them is it's not an okay to [40:25] silence the people that put us [40:26] in these seats, and I'll die on [40:28] that hill. [40:30] Yeah. [40:31] Go ahead, Mr. Palmer. You still [40:32] have. [40:33] The floor. Yeah. Sorry. I got, [40:34] like, five questions. Um, so. [40:37] I guess, uh, was it all [40:39] because of the one individual, [40:40] or was it more than that? I [40:41] mean, that wasn't here. The the [40:44] reason for the original change [40:47] because I can't, I, I mean, I [40:48] don't it would be if I may. [40:50] Yeah. Those who have speculated [40:55] as. [40:55] To the reason. [40:56] Why in 2020, this ordinance was [40:58] adopted were not members of the [41:00] council at the time, were not [41:02] parties to the debate or [41:04] discussion that took place, or [41:05] any other briefing that the [41:07] Council received at the time. [41:09] And I think it would be [41:12] unfortunate if the public came [41:14] to believe that this [41:18] legislation was adopted with [41:20] respect to silence. One person [41:22] that was not the case is not [41:26] the case now, and was not the [41:29] case then. Okay. I mean, that [41:32] was okay. I'm sorry. I assume [41:34] you're going to respond to [41:35] that. [41:35] Thank you. Yes. Thank you. So [41:38] what if you can come in here [41:39] and speak on an agenda item? [41:41] What is stopping that person [41:43] from quote unquote, attacking [41:45] any of the staff on that agenda [41:46] item? What would you do in that [41:47] case? You would shut it down. [41:49] They would they would be [41:50] escorted out if necessary or [41:52] told to sit down. And your time [41:54] is up. Why is it different if [41:56] they can speak on any agenda [41:57] item, it would be the same [41:59] outcome. So they can come in [42:01] here. And as long as the item [42:02] is on the agenda, they can [42:04] attack staff all they want just [42:05] because it's not on the agenda. [42:08] I'm not I'm not understanding [42:10] the logic there because we [42:11] allow people to speak on agenda [42:13] items. So if your argument is [42:15] that they're going to come in [42:16] here and attack staff, they can [42:17] already do that and you're [42:18] going to shut them down [42:19] anyways. So what is the what is [42:22] the issue with opening it up [42:23] and having the same course of [42:27] action? If they come in here [42:28] and are not respectful? [42:34] Next question. [42:37] Um, the next question kind of [42:40] tied to what was already [42:41] mentioned when I read the [42:43] ordinance, the preexisting [42:44] ordinance that says all remarks [42:46] shall be addressed to city [42:47] council as a body and not to [42:48] the individual member thereof. [42:50] Um, if we proceed with this, [42:51] I'd like to have some strength [42:52] and language in there to [42:54] specifically state that to [42:56] include the staff exclusion so [42:57] they are not to address staff [42:58] period. And, uh, if anyone [43:01] violates decorum or attacks any [43:04] individual, then they by [43:07] default lost their time. I [43:08] think the current one says that [43:09] if they, uh, deviate from the [43:11] agenda item, they lose their [43:12] time. And so I think I think a [43:14] mitigation would be to include [43:15] that in there as well. I also [43:17] had a question around, um, when [43:20] it said, and I'm, I'm not a [43:21] lawyer. Uh, but when it says by [43:23] majority vote of the members [43:25] then present, does that mean if [43:26] there are five council members [43:27] there, then you only need three [43:29] votes? And this is in reference [43:30] to cutting off all of in any [43:32] one meeting. I think you can [43:34] cut off. It allows like a cut [43:36] off or a stop to the comments. [43:37] Is that what that verbiage [43:39] means, or does that mean you [43:40] need six even if you only have [43:41] seven? And in session. [43:43] Well. [43:44] You can't run a meeting with [43:45] five councilmen. [43:46] Okay. So then six if you have [43:48] six, uh, do you only need 4 or [43:51] 3? Three tie in. The mayor [43:52] breaks. I'm trying to [43:53] understand. Is it like the [43:54] other items that you always [43:56] need? Six or in this case is a [43:58] verb. The verbiage allow [44:00] something less than six. [44:01] Just one thing that the only [44:02] thing that you need six votes [44:03] for is on an ordinance. [44:05] Everything else is a simple [44:06] majority. [44:07] Of those present. [44:08] Of those legislation. [44:10] I mean, on [44:12] resolutions, it's it's a simple [44:14] majority. So if there's six [44:16] councilmen here, a four two [44:18] vote or a three three vote, I [44:20] break the tie. [44:21] That makes sense. And then, um. [44:27] What was the other question [44:28] going to be? I got two more, [44:29] uh, the limitation on the you [44:32] already talked about some of [44:33] the reasons I'm getting, the [44:35] sense that those that were [44:36] around at that time does not [44:38] feel like what's currently [44:39] written would still mitigate [44:42] some of that risk, while giving [44:43] the perception of a more open [44:45] meeting. Is that and if not, [44:48] then can we? What can we do to [44:50] draft in there to help mitigate [44:51] those? I'm I'm. This is going [44:53] to sound really bad. I'm a [44:54] little torn on it. Um, I think [44:57] people should have the chance [44:59] to address, um, I also think [45:02] there's kind of already an [45:03] opportunity for them to address [45:04] any of us, because I get talks [45:06] all the time and emails and [45:07] contacts. What I would hate to [45:10] see also happen is that a line [45:12] of a thousand people all take [45:13] three minutes just to blow our [45:15] time and be difficult. Um, I [45:17] know that's an extreme, but I [45:19] just I think there's a happy [45:21] medium in here somewhere, but [45:23] we're really going to rely on [45:24] those who are around to help us [45:27] draft in there what we can do [45:29] to mitigate that risk, to [45:30] ensure we don't repeat back [45:31] into what drove it the first [45:33] time around, while still again, [45:34] given the perception of being [45:36] more open. [45:36] I can tell you there's out of the 11 elected officials [45:40] sitting up here at the time, [45:42] there's only two sitting [45:43] remaining. So just to answer [45:48] your question. [45:49] So then there I posed the [45:50] question. The two of you are [45:52] out of the risks that you see. [45:55] What could we put in there that [45:56] would help mitigate it? And [45:57] then we would remind everybody [45:58] up front, hey, don't break [46:01] these rules or you're gone. [46:02] Like, we're doing this for a [46:04] reason, but not to be abused. [46:05] So. [46:07] Okay. Mister Wilcox. [46:12] , so I like your idea. Like [46:14] before the public comment [46:16] section would start. I mean, [46:17] maybe we there's a disclaimer [46:19] where we say this. You can [46:21] address your agenda item. [46:22] There's no personal attacks, [46:23] you know, just a short little [46:25] thing. [46:26] It's on everybody. [46:26] It's on the back of the card. [46:28] Okay. And then lemon limiting [46:30] you know, there can only be a [46:32] limit of 10 or 20 per meeting. [46:35] You can't have 100, obviously. [46:36] So is that in there like I [46:37] didn't I don't think I saw it [46:38] in there is is putting a [46:40] number. Um, so I guess that's [46:42] part of my point is if there [46:43] was a concern that people were [46:45] lining up out the door just to [46:46] complain, then we say, hey, [46:48] first whatever number, I don't [46:49] know. [46:51] I'm I would be totally against [46:54] that. You're going to put ten [46:56] people first. Ten people come [46:58] in and want to speak on [46:59] whatever they want to talk [47:00] about. Number 11 walks in and [47:05] wants to speak. I'll guarantee [47:07] you right now, eight out of ten [47:09] of you will say, let the 11 [47:12] person speak. [47:14] Or I would say on the next, or [47:16] be faster to. [47:16] The next number on it. [47:18] You cannot put a number. [47:20] On it. [47:21] Because if if what you guys are [47:23] saying, you're going to allow [47:26] 60 people to walk in here and [47:28] talk about whatever they want [47:29] to talk about for three [47:32] minutes, and no, you cannot [47:33] say, you know, we've already [47:35] heard this, we've already heard [47:37] this move on. If you're going [47:41] to do this, you're going to [47:42] open up wide open for however [47:46] many people want to talk. And [47:48] to miss Spencer's point, you [47:51] can't kick them out. I mean, [47:52] yeah, you can make them leave [47:54] that meeting, but they can come [47:56] back the next meeting. [47:57] And. then keep coming. Their [47:58] attitude, because it is. [47:59] It's their First Amendment [48:01] right to come to these meetings. [48:07] Miss Taylor. [48:10] Um, first, I mean, let's be [48:13] honest, we maybe have 1 or 2 [48:17] people in the that come to [48:18] these meetings. I'm not worried [48:20] that thousand I mean, even [48:23] worried that ten people are [48:24] going to come and sign a [48:26] comment card unless there's a [48:27] problem and that's usually on [48:29] the agenda item. I mean, that's [48:30] a moot point for me. And I did [48:33] want to comment because you [48:34] asked Corey about, um, why now? [48:37] And the timing. And I did bring [48:39] this up last year with our [48:41] strategic plan, wanting to do [48:42] this. Um, but we do constantly [48:46] get asked, uh, to people to [48:48] come and speak on something. I [48:50] mean, I know me and Corey have [48:52] multiple times had to tell [48:54] people, no, they can't come and [48:56] speak on that because it's not [48:57] on the agenda item. So, I mean, [49:00] having to tell people that [49:01] right there, I'm embarrassed to [49:03] like, yeah, our council is [49:06] telling you you can't come and [49:07] speak on something in the city [49:09] that you want to speak on. You [49:11] know, I know last week I think [49:13] Council Member Wilcox had [49:14] someone here that wanted to [49:16] speak, and it was just [49:17] something about the storm [49:17] damage, you know? And, I mean, [49:20] they couldn't come and speak. [49:21] So I think this is an ongoing [49:23] issue that I've seen over the [49:25] last year that people have a [49:27] problem with not being able to [49:29] come up and talk to us. [49:31] Go ahead, Mr. Palmer. [49:32] So, I mean, I want to ask, is [49:34] that is that a true statement [49:35] that there is no way for them [49:36] to come and I and I when I, asked that question, I'm [49:39] not limited to council meeting [49:41] itself. Like if somebody has an [49:43] issue on a topic, can't they be [49:44] invited to come and speak on it [49:46] as an agenda item on the [49:48] workshop? [49:50] We normally do not have [49:53] residents speak at the workshop. [49:55] Very, very rarely do we have a [49:58] resident speak at the workshop. [50:00] But speak is in like a ad hoc [50:04] impromptu coming and speaking. [50:06] Could we not invite them to [50:08] come and share their views on a [50:10] certain topic? I'm just asking. [50:12] I'm trying to understand like [50:13] what really is a limitation and [50:15] what is really not a limitation. [50:18] I can I'm I'm just as new. Half [50:21] of us, I'm learning. [50:22] Go ahead. Amanda. [50:24] Um, there was only one time [50:26] that I've given up my ward [50:28] report just to let someone [50:30] speak, and I gave it up there, [50:33] because I did. I didn't think [50:34] they should deserve to come [50:35] here and speak, and we weren't [50:37] listening. So I gave my ward [50:38] report. That's been the only [50:39] time I've actually seen someone [50:42] able to speak outside of the [50:44] agenda items. So. [50:46] Mr. Lincoln. [50:47] Thank you. Mayor. Uh, the one [50:49] remark I want to make falls [50:50] back on some experience on [50:52] planning and zoning. So [50:54] occasionally, you know, the [50:55] contentious topic comes up. Um, [50:58] a couple of times that's [50:59] happened. Generally, the [51:01] speakers have respected the [51:03] direction of the presiding [51:04] officer, in which, you know, [51:06] there should be an effort made [51:08] not to repeat the same [51:10] information or arguments over [51:11] and over. So, you know, I think [51:13] on some we've had 6 or 7 [51:14] speakers and maybe 2 or 3, [51:17] we'll use the full three [51:18] minutes, but others may just [51:20] get up there and say, uh, you [51:21] know, I'm just here to support [51:23] this view. My points have [51:24] already been argued and they [51:25] respect the time. [51:27] So sorry, Corey, I just want to [51:29] I know your hands been up a [51:30] while, but I just want to hit [51:31] this one. Um, so I mean, that's [51:32] an example to me of that would [51:35] be a mitigation we could put in [51:36] place. Right. That says, hey, [51:37] if you're going to repeat what [51:38] somebody else is, has said, [51:40] like raise your hand or [51:41] something to indicate your [51:42] support of what they're saying [51:43] so we don't have to hear it 13 [51:45] times over. But we still get a [51:46] point of, are we here? We can [51:49] see the quantity of folks that [51:50] support or agree with what's [51:51] being stated. I mean, that's I [51:53] guess, an example of what I'm [51:54] asking about. [51:56] Absolutely. And I don't know if [51:57] that needs to be explicitly [51:59] written out in the bill [52:00] language. I think that can [52:00] probably fall within the the [52:02] quorum and the guidance of the [52:04] presiding officer. [52:08] I'm not trying to rewrite [52:09] history here, people. I'm [52:11] trying to change one small [52:13] thing. Nothing changes outside [52:16] of the fact that you can [52:18] discuss items that are not on [52:20] that meeting's agenda. That's [52:22] it. All other rules stay. It's [52:25] the same thing. If I was [52:27] sitting down there and I had a [52:28] problem with something, and I [52:30] use my three minutes and I [52:32] scream and I yell and I attack, [52:34] and I name caller and I cuss, [52:36] that is not acceptable [52:37] behavior. No one's trying to [52:39] change that. I'm just saying [52:40] name one time in the five [52:42] months that I've six months, [52:43] five months that I've been up [52:44] here and the many months prior [52:46] to that, that I watched council [52:47] meetings, you know, how many [52:48] people total I saw use there? [52:51] Three minutes to speak on a [52:52] regular basis, one outside of a [52:54] regular basis, maybe five. This [52:57] is not opening up the door for [52:59] a hundred people to line up and [53:01] come in here and be like, I [53:02] want my three minutes to [53:04] complain about something. [53:06] That's not how I feel about our [53:07] residents. That's not how any [53:08] of you should feel about our [53:09] residents. This is simply meant [53:12] to say, like the poor woman at [53:14] the last meeting who had to [53:15] just write a letter because she [53:17] was told she cannot come speak, [53:19] or the gentleman who lives on [53:21] Brian Road, who has things he [53:24] wants to say and addresses [53:25] those with Amanda and I [53:27] regularly, and he wants to be [53:29] heard by the council as a [53:30] whole. And if that makes him [53:31] feel better to come in here and [53:33] for three minutes say what he [53:34] doesn't agree with, or our [53:36] request to change, or just get [53:38] it off his chest, why can he [53:40] not do that? It is literally no [53:42] different than speaking on an [53:43] agenda item, except for it's [53:45] not an agenda item. [53:47] It's just. [53:51] Brian. [53:52] So, Debbie, you've been here. [53:54] You sat through this quietly. [53:57] Yeah. Um, you had the [53:59] experience. You were part of [54:00] the crew that put this in [54:02] place. So what are your [54:03] concerns and thoughts on this? [54:06] So I was one of three people [54:09] that voted against it. I did [54:11] not want the I did not want the [54:13] ordinance to change hindsight. [54:17] I can remember one person [54:19] coming in to speak on a non [54:21] agenda item about a stop sign [54:23] in Ward three. As a whole, we [54:25] didn't have too much. We really [54:27] didn't have people coming in to [54:29] speak. So I don't know if it's [54:31] really affected that many [54:33] people that we have closed it. [54:34] But I was one that said, no, I [54:36] don't want to close it. Um, you [54:39] know, we have so many avenues [54:41] now to reach out to us. We have [54:42] a lot of social media. We have [54:44] emails, we have phone calls. We [54:45] have all kinds of ways. So, you [54:48] know, there are a lot of ways [54:49] for people to get Ahold of us [54:50] now. So I I'm on the fence. I [54:53] mean, I would love to open it [54:54] back up to I've missed the days [54:56] where people could come up. I [54:57] don't think it gets abused, but [55:00] at the same time, I see how [55:01] smoothly our meetings do go. [55:03] And I know people have other [55:05] avenues of reaching out to us, [55:06] so I'm hearing both sides of [55:09] everybody's arguments. I'm [55:10] sitting here listening to all [55:11] of it. [55:12] And sometimes people just want [55:14] to feel heard. And that for a [55:17] lot of people, means standing [55:19] up here in front of all of us, [55:22] being seen and feeling heard. [55:24] Social media, emails, text [55:26] messages, phone calls, all of [55:27] that is fine and great, and [55:28] that is utilized very regularly [55:29] for all of us. Sometimes they [55:32] just want to feel like they are [55:35] being heard, and that means [55:36] standing here, speaking their [55:38] piece and sitting down. [55:40] And really, isn't that our job, [55:43] right? I mean, isn't that what [55:44] we're here for? To be here for [55:45] the residents and to hear them. [55:49] Mr. Palmer? [55:50] Yeah. I mean, no, no [55:52] disagreement. Um, I, I mean, I [55:54] would question if someone has [55:55] an issue in your ward [55:57] specifically. Do they need to [55:59] reach out to me? No, but I [56:02] guess as a way of reaching some [56:03] type of compromise and [56:05] potentially moving forward, I [56:07] guess what I would ask is, [56:09] could we just take some inputs [56:11] on ways to enhance? We talked [56:12] about a lot of them, but ways [56:13] of enhancing it. And then if it [56:15] gets approved, do a a review in [56:20] six months or something to see. [56:22] Like did the fears we had on it [56:24] come to pass and how would we [56:25] adjust further? I mean, I [56:26] think, if nothing else, a trial [56:27] period to see, because you're [56:29] right, none of us work well, [56:31] none. Most of us weren't here. [56:34] And so, I mean, if it does get [56:37] approved with additional [56:39] changes, can we at least try [56:41] it? But throw in there that [56:42] we'll revisit it in 3 or 6 [56:44] months and then we'll be able [56:45] to adjust again. I don't know. [56:46] I guess that's all. [56:52] Again, this is on for first [56:54] reading. So you know, I would [56:57] suggest you all get get [56:59] together and come up. You know, [57:00] we have to make an amendment. [57:04] In two weeks to do it. It's up [57:08] to you guys. Okay. Mr. link, [57:15] next one's yours, brother. [57:17] All right. Thank you, mayor. [57:18] All right, so the multifamily [57:20] housing study, a little bit of [57:22] an update on that. I know we, [57:23] uh, there's been some travel [57:25] with other council members [57:26] myself. Um, last meeting, uh, [57:29] but wanted to revisit it. [57:30] Despite the moratorium bill not [57:32] passing, as I think the studies [57:34] were still a central element of [57:35] it in the way that they can [57:37] either better inform us or help [57:39] us with making legislative [57:42] changes to our code. Um, so a [57:44] quick update on that. Like I [57:45] said, we met with staff last [57:46] week. Uh, they provided us some [57:48] input and also assembled, uh, [57:51] granite was very first rough [57:53] cut of the scope of effort. If [57:55] we were to literally do every [57:57] single study in the 22 page [57:59] document that I know you've all [58:01] diligently read over the last [58:03] month, wonderful reading [58:05] material. Yeah. So in either [58:07] case, once again, it was a very [58:09] rough cut. Uh, nonetheless, we [58:11] reviewed that for about an [58:13] hour. And I think what we [58:15] determined out of that was the [58:16] best course of action forward [58:19] was to create a working group. [58:21] And what council member Boyer [58:24] and myself had proposed was to [58:27] create a working group of five [58:29] members, one from each ward. [58:31] And the role of this working [58:33] group would basically be to [58:35] look at the 22 pages of [58:37] studies, prioritize which ones [58:40] we think are going to, you [58:41] know, be the most impactful for [58:43] either information we need or [58:45] missing. Also, balancing that [58:47] with cost. And then also [58:49] prioritizing time wise. You [58:52] know, what we don't want to do [58:53] is wait, you know, 12 to 18 [58:55] months and then have this [58:57] massive chunk of information [58:59] come out at the end. We thought [59:00] it would be better to kind of [59:02] release the information and [59:04] studies as we go. And once [59:06] again prioritize those based on [59:08] interest. Um, kind of. Before I [59:11] get to the summary here, I'm [59:12] going to, uh, Councilman Boyer, [59:15] I don't know if there's [59:15] anything you wanted to add to [59:16] that that I missed, but, um, I [59:18] will have one thing to go back [59:19] to when you're done. [59:20] I know you've you've done a [59:21] fabulous job of covering what [59:22] we did. Um, it was a big price [59:25] tag that we saw. There's a lot [59:27] of data that we wanted, and, [59:29] um. Yeah, I think collectively, [59:31] we can then figure out what makes sense for us and [59:33] what what do we need? The [59:35] city's got a lot of [59:35] information, but there's also [59:37] stuff that we have to purchase [59:38] and get out there. So we need [59:40] to make sure we make the right [59:41] smart decisions. So thank you. [59:44] And so I guess to [59:47] mechanize that and we can [59:48] certainly talk about this with [59:50] the time, but what I like to do [59:52] either after we talk or have [59:53] some back and forth, is to [59:55] conduct a roll call vote, in [59:57] which either we would approve, [1:00:01] uh, us to create this working [1:00:03] group because we basically need [1:00:06] the council's consensus as we'd [1:00:07] be directing [1:00:08] Staff to these studies. We [1:00:09] cannot do that individually, so [1:00:11] it needs the consensus of the [1:00:13] council to do that. Um, and so [1:00:16] I'd like to open up for [1:00:17] discussion before we conduct [1:00:18] that vote. [1:00:18] And just as a reminder, if this [1:00:21] does pass for the five, you [1:00:23] know, passes, the council, the [1:00:26] five working group, if you're [1:00:28] not on that working group, you [1:00:30] cannot show up. All right. So, [1:00:33] Mr. Koskela of Mr. Link's on [1:00:35] it. You cannot show up at that [1:00:37] meeting because that would make [1:00:38] a quorum. So just let everybody [1:00:42] know. [1:00:44] If if I may complicate life a [1:00:47] little further. because that's [1:00:49] what I do. If you establish. [1:00:53] A working group, whatever you [1:00:55] want to call it, that body is [1:00:56] subject to the sunshine line. [1:00:58] It is a public, governmental [1:00:59] body within the meaning of the [1:01:01] Sunshine Law. That means those [1:01:02] meetings must be posted open to [1:01:05] the public, and follow all the [1:01:07] sunshine Law requirements for [1:01:09] notice. Tentative agenda and [1:01:12] access to to the meetings. If [1:01:15] then members of the Council [1:01:18] show up and magnify that body [1:01:23] into a quorum of the Council, [1:01:25] there is a risk that you will [1:01:27] violate the Sunshine Law, as [1:01:28] the mayor said, because you [1:01:30] will create a meeting of the [1:01:31] council. If there is a quorum [1:01:33] of the Council president [1:01:34] discussing council business. [1:01:36] So, first of all, creating this [1:01:38] as a subgroup does not exempt [1:01:41] it from the Sunshine Law. The [1:01:42] Sunshine Law still applies. So [1:01:45] all of the requirements for [1:01:46] notice and access and agendas [1:01:48] will still be applicable. [1:01:51] But. [1:01:53] When. [1:01:55] Did we come up with a cost to [1:01:57] the city of what the study is [1:01:58] going to cost? [1:01:59] So if you did every single one, [1:02:01] the very rough cut was $1 [1:02:03] million. The vast majority of [1:02:05] those being traffic studies. [1:02:07] There were ones as low as a [1:02:09] thousand, but once again they [1:02:10] were very rough cut numbers and [1:02:13] it was a line item list of, I'm [1:02:15] going to say over 100 items. So. [1:02:19] what's our cost anticipated [1:02:21] to be with it being scaled [1:02:22] down? [1:02:23] Well, that's for the working [1:02:24] group to decide in terms of [1:02:25] what studies we want to pursue. [1:02:27] But once we start the the bill [1:02:29] starts accruing, right. [1:02:31] Well, whatever data we need it [1:02:33] would do that. If there's a [1:02:35] certain study that we want [1:02:37] done. Right. So some studies we [1:02:39] actually have the data for, [1:02:40] it's probably very minimal. [1:02:41] It's just staff time to pull [1:02:43] it. Others you know, we either [1:02:45] need to reach out to other [1:02:47] organizations, which could just [1:02:49] be a fire department. Right. [1:02:51] Others we might need a higher [1:02:52] professional help for, um, they [1:02:54] staff did a really nice job of [1:02:55] breaking it down into like four [1:02:57] categories of we've got it, [1:02:59] partner organization [1:03:01] professionals or what the heck [1:03:03] are you asking for, Doug? We [1:03:04] can't get that information. [1:03:08] And the reason I bring it up, [1:03:09] I'm not opposed to doing the [1:03:10] study, but I don't think the [1:03:11] city should incur $1 million [1:03:13] cost on this study either. [1:03:14] Well, right. And let me [1:03:15] completely rewind the million [1:03:17] dollar number. I do not intend [1:03:18] on us going down and spending [1:03:21] $1 million. That is just it. As [1:03:24] if you're going to do every [1:03:25] single one as listed on there. [1:03:29] Yeah, that's the once we saw [1:03:31] the price tag, we're like, all [1:03:32] right, we need to rethink and [1:03:33] retool how we're going to [1:03:34] attack this. So that's where [1:03:36] the working group came in. So [1:03:38] we can then direct what makes [1:03:39] sense and what's what's pie in [1:03:42] the sky and not needed. [1:03:46] Mr. Snowden thank you, mayor. I [1:03:48] think it's important to note [1:03:49] that any funds expended would [1:03:53] not be budgeted. And so it [1:03:55] would have to come back to the [1:03:56] council for approval to [1:03:58] actually expend the funds. [1:03:59] So I if I can put words in your [1:04:01] mouth, Mr. Link, the working [1:04:02] group would be deciding which [1:04:05] studies need to be done. We [1:04:07] would then compile how much we [1:04:09] think that might cost, whether [1:04:11] there needs to be an RFP [1:04:12] process that would then come [1:04:13] back to the council because the [1:04:14] funds are budgeted. [1:04:16] Thank you, Mr. Snow. And that [1:04:17] would come back as a just a [1:04:18] line item resolution to [1:04:20] authorize that spending. If [1:04:23] it's not in the budget, [1:04:24] correct. If the budget next [1:04:26] year accounted for some of [1:04:28] these studies, we would not [1:04:29] need to do that. [1:04:31] If the funds are budgeted, we [1:04:33] would not need to come back to [1:04:34] the council to spend the funds. [1:04:35] It's unadjusted. We would. [1:04:37] All right. Thank you. [1:04:39] Mr. Palmer. [1:04:41] Um, as I mentioned in my nine [1:04:44] page, thank you for reading [1:04:46] letter, Mr. Mayor. Uh, I guess [1:04:48] one of the things I want to [1:04:49] make sure whether or not I'm on [1:04:50] the group or not, one of the [1:04:52] things I want to make sure is [1:04:53] that before we commence any [1:04:55] studies, we talk through the [1:04:56] potential outcomes of those [1:04:57] studies and what actions we [1:04:59] would take, because I would [1:05:00] hate to get to an outcome that [1:05:01] we can't do anything about. And [1:05:03] then the other one is, I sure [1:05:05] hope that if we approve these [1:05:07] studies, that those actions we [1:05:09] take, we say would be [1:05:10] appropriate, that we actually [1:05:11] do them. And I'm going to throw [1:05:12] an extreme hypothetical. If a [1:05:14] study says we have insufficient [1:05:16] housing, and the answer is to [1:05:18] go build more apartments then [1:05:20] and I'm throwing that out [1:05:21] intentionally, right. Not to be [1:05:23] provocative, but the point is, I feel like if we if we take [1:05:27] these on, we should be somewhat [1:05:29] committed to the outcomes and [1:05:31] the actions that we take that [1:05:32] were commensurate with those [1:05:33] studies. If we have a [1:05:34] predetermined answer that there [1:05:36] are some things we are not [1:05:36] going to do, then we should not [1:05:38] start the studies because we if [1:05:40] we're not going to live with [1:05:41] the answers, then we shouldn't [1:05:43] ask the questions, if that [1:05:44] makes sense. [1:05:45] Yeah. Absolutely. Understood. [1:05:46] And you know, the one thing [1:05:47] though I will say to that is if [1:05:49] we just do a housing supply [1:05:51] study, it's probably not the [1:05:52] whole picture. It's one piece [1:05:53] of it, right. There may be a, [1:05:55] you know, demand for housing. [1:05:57] The question is, can [1:05:58] infrastructure, roads and [1:06:00] things support that? And if [1:06:01] not, what are the projects we [1:06:03] can do to put those in place [1:06:04] before we would start those [1:06:05] developments? So, um, you know, [1:06:07] just because we have one [1:06:08] answer, we may not have an [1:06:10] entire, let's say, because we [1:06:12] have some information that [1:06:14] answers one question. It's not [1:06:15] enough to inform an action. [1:06:17] And that and that's part of why [1:06:18] that's part of my why I'm [1:06:20] requesting it is in that same [1:06:21] case, if you have like this [1:06:22] network of studies that they [1:06:25] are codependent upon each other [1:06:26] and any individual that you [1:06:27] know doesn't wouldn't drive [1:06:29] action, then we want to make [1:06:30] sure that any that are [1:06:31] codependent would occur, [1:06:32] because if there are three that [1:06:33] are codependent, we only do [1:06:34] two. Then we did nothing in the [1:06:36] end. So that would be something [1:06:37] else we would want to watch [1:06:38] for. I think it's a good point. [1:06:39] Yep. Completely agree. [1:06:42] Anybody else? [1:06:45] All right. [1:06:46] Go ahead. I was just going to [1:06:47] say I read through it three [1:06:48] times, mostly because I fell [1:06:49] asleep the first two times. Um, [1:06:52] but like I have significant [1:06:54] questions on the ability to get [1:06:55] the data and to answer some of [1:06:56] the questions and even the [1:06:58] modeling. I just like the [1:07:00] engineer side of me, kicked in [1:07:01] and just tilted real fast. Um, [1:07:05] so I just, I would whether or [1:07:07] not I'm on that special group, [1:07:08] I would really love to be able [1:07:10] to know, uh, kind of the plan [1:07:13] on each of the studies, we [1:07:14] agree to go forward with, to [1:07:16] just make sure that they're [1:07:16] possible, et. [1:07:18] Absolutely. And I'll let you [1:07:20] and Councilwoman Cook rock [1:07:21] scissors paper over that [1:07:23] however you'd like to decide [1:07:24] it. Um, but nonetheless, I [1:07:26] think you'd be great on it. [1:07:29] Okay. Anybody else? So, Mr. [1:07:33] Link, you are wanting a roll [1:07:36] call for forming the elected [1:07:42] officials? Direct. Have a [1:07:50] working group to work with [1:07:53] staff on the study.. [1:07:56] At a high level, yes. [1:08:01] Mr. Palmer. [1:08:03] Relative to what? My lawyer [1:08:04] friend to my left mentioned, [1:08:06] I'm not sure I understand [1:08:07] everything that that means. [1:08:08] Does that mean we have to have, [1:08:09] like, a a clerk or something [1:08:11] would have to be available? It [1:08:12] would have to be televised, [1:08:14] have to be recorded. But [1:08:15] whatever those are, I just want [1:08:16] to make sure that I guess I'm [1:08:18] asking Mike that staff can [1:08:20] support if this ends up [1:08:22] happening, because it is [1:08:23] something different. An [1:08:24] additional for for staff to be [1:08:26] doing, even in the event of the the smaller group.. [1:08:30] In a word, yes, staff can [1:08:33] support this. [1:08:35] If that answer. Mike. [1:08:36] Amanda., I guess that's the [1:08:38] kind of follow up. Um, if this [1:08:41] is sunshine and we have to do [1:08:42] that already, then does it have [1:08:44] to be limited to that one per [1:08:46] ward? I mean, that was kind of [1:08:48] why you were doing that, right? [1:08:51] So originally w n. [1:08:54] O'Keefe. [1:08:55] They both wanted to be on it. [1:08:58] Yes. [1:08:58] Sir. She's asking. Go ahead and [1:09:02] ask you a question again. [1:09:03] Amanda., in this new revelation [1:09:06] that, uh, this is subject to [1:09:09] sunshine and we have to follow [1:09:11] those same rules. Does that [1:09:13] mean now we can extend the [1:09:15] working group outside of five [1:09:17] members, since that seem to be [1:09:20] the reason for doing so to [1:09:23] begin with? [1:09:25] If it doesn't matter, okay. [1:09:29] It doesn't matter what? [1:09:33] Um. [1:09:35] Whether it's a committee, a [1:09:37] working group, whatever you [1:09:39] want to call it, if it's a [1:09:40] subunit of the city council [1:09:42] created for a given purpose, [1:09:44] it's a body in and of itself, [1:09:46] subject to the Sunshine Law. If [1:09:48] you want to make it ten people, [1:09:49] you want to make it seven [1:09:50] people you want to make two [1:09:52] people. It's a body subject to [1:09:54] the sunshine line I so it [1:09:55] doesn't matter how many are put [1:09:57] on it. [1:09:57] I think I'm going to rephrase [1:09:59] what Councilwoman Taylor is [1:10:00] asking, or at least the [1:10:01] question that got prompted to [1:10:02] me. If there's seven, if we [1:10:05] decide, hey, go to seven, does [1:10:06] that change anything that this [1:10:08] group would do, whether it's 5 [1:10:12] or 7? [1:10:14] Or. [1:10:14] Four. [1:10:15] Change anything legally? Is [1:10:17] that your question to me? [1:10:19] Does it does it matter? Like [1:10:22] there for some reason, five was [1:10:23] picked because you kind of, um, [1:10:27] you lessen a quorum and if all [1:10:29] the same rules apply, etc. and [1:10:31] I'm, I don't want him to [1:10:33] believe we're trying to skirt [1:10:34] or hide anything, right? Like [1:10:35] nobody's afraid of sunshine [1:10:36] laws. But but if it goes to [1:10:38] like 7 or 8 that want to [1:10:40] participate, like, would it, function differently [1:10:44] if there were 5 or 8? That's [1:10:45] what I, I don't I don't know [1:10:46] and I don't understand. Or are [1:10:51] you saying above five is the [1:10:52] same as the whole and the whole [1:10:56] council? And it would need to [1:10:57] be this forum anyways. [1:11:05] Well, and and to me, I really [1:11:09] don't want ten people on this [1:11:11] committee. I don't want seven. [1:11:12] To me I think one person per [1:11:15] ward, because you're going to [1:11:18] get you get eight people on [1:11:21] this, this working group. And [1:11:23] what you're going to get is [1:11:26] nothing done. I that's just my [1:11:28] feeling. I don't think you will [1:11:30] get anything done, but you have [1:11:34] eight people on there. To me [1:11:36] you have one person per ward [1:11:38] that's representing that ward. [1:11:41] So if it's Miss Cook on it, she [1:11:43] can relay it to Mr. Palmer. [1:11:46] Same way with wards one, two, [1:11:48] three and four and five. I [1:11:52] that's my my thought. And what [1:11:55] Mr. O'Keefe said is I'm the one [1:11:57] who's going to have to appoint [1:11:59] because it's in our charter [1:12:01] that I appoint to boards and [1:12:02] commissions and committees, and all that stuff. [1:12:07] So. So go ahead. [1:12:11] So I agree with you. I, I like [1:12:14] more of the agility you get [1:12:15] with five. The accountability [1:12:18] is more concentrated. Uh, you [1:12:20] know, I've tried to go to [1:12:22] dinner with eight people. It's [1:12:23] impossible to get everybody to [1:12:24] come together. So I completely [1:12:26] agree. And, you know, if we're [1:12:28] in that five range, the one per [1:12:29] ward, I think is the cleanest [1:12:31] way. So I think, uh, Councilman [1:12:33] Boyer, I know you're within [1:12:35] those discussions. Um, as long [1:12:37] as you have a consensus on [1:12:39] five, I would like to suggest [1:12:41] keeping it there. [1:12:42] That's. I felt the same. And [1:12:44] more people in the less we're [1:12:45] going to get done. [1:12:48] Okay. Mr. Wilcox. [1:12:50] So this is related. I sent an [1:12:52] email, um, last week, earlier [1:12:54] this week about planning and [1:12:55] zoning, and especially for the [1:12:56] new council members, how we [1:12:58] would like to learn a little [1:12:59] more about that. I've talked to [1:13:00] a few of you guys, and this [1:13:02] ties into the apartment thing [1:13:03] in my the kind of where it [1:13:05] started. I want to know, like [1:13:07] how properties are zoned [1:13:09] originally and then how they [1:13:11] potentially can be changed to a [1:13:13] different zoning code. I think [1:13:15] this is a good workshop item. [1:13:16] Maybe prior to this. Mr. Link, [1:13:19] if you don't mind, because I [1:13:20] think it ties in very closely [1:13:22] to what you're trying to [1:13:23] accomplish. [1:13:25] Sir. I mean, I don't mind if we [1:13:27] throw it on the workshop, but I [1:13:29] still think we'll move to get [1:13:32] this committee organized. I [1:13:33] imagine it'll take a couple of [1:13:34] weeks, but. [1:13:37] , Amanda. [1:13:38] I was just going to say [1:13:40] something just hit me for his [1:13:41] plan and zoning question. Isn't [1:13:43] there a workshop or a class [1:13:47] that you send? I don't know, [1:13:49] Mr. Woods. Uh, David, for [1:13:51] planning and zoning. There's [1:13:52] even a class that people that [1:13:54] are new on the planning and [1:13:56] zoning can take that possibly. [1:13:58] I mean, I would be interested [1:13:59] in doing it, too, you know. [1:14:01] Yeah, that just got noted that, [1:14:03] um, sole has a has a [1:14:04] certificate program for that. I [1:14:06] did send that out to the [1:14:07] commission. Uh, maybe just [1:14:09] Tracy did last week or so. I [1:14:11] think we had some, some [1:14:12] interest. And I know, uh, Mr. [1:14:16] Wexler, did you go a couple [1:14:17] years ago? [1:14:18] I did, yeah, yeah, my first [1:14:19] year on or second year on [1:14:21] planning and zoning, I went, [1:14:22] yeah, it's super helpful if if [1:14:25] council is able to go or some [1:14:27] council members are able to go. [1:14:28] Yeah. I've highly suggested [1:14:29] it's it's very good. Yeah I. [1:14:35] All right. Let's get get back [1:14:36] on top before we get into other [1:14:39] things. So let's get the first [1:14:42] portion out of this. Done. So I [1:14:45] have a motion by Mr. Link to [1:14:50] correct me if I'm wrong here to [1:14:53] get a working group to work [1:14:55] with staff on the apartment [1:15:00] study that Mr. Link provided. [1:15:02] Is that good enough? You got [1:15:07] that, Katie. Okay. Do I have a [1:15:10] second? [1:15:11] second. [1:15:12] Mr. Bowyer questions? Mr. [1:15:19] Koskela. [1:15:20] Thank you. Mayor. Uh, I just [1:15:22] want to be clear and reiterate, reiterate that [1:15:26] before any funds are spent, [1:15:30] labor time included, it has to [1:15:33] come back to council for full [1:15:36] approval. Approval in the [1:15:37] normal. [1:15:38] Yeah. That that working group [1:15:40] cannot say we're going to spend [1:15:42] X amount of dollars. It's got [1:15:44] to be approved by the whole [1:15:45] council. [1:15:45] Understood. Thank you. [1:15:48] Michael. [1:15:49] To be clear, Mr. Costello, [1:15:51] you're not referring to staff [1:15:52] time as being part of the [1:15:54] committee. And assisting. [1:15:57] You're referring to any [1:15:59] expenditure of funds beyond [1:16:01] that. [1:16:07] Um. How much of its staff time [1:16:12] are we expecting for setting up [1:16:13] this committee and starting [1:16:15] this before any real work is [1:16:18] started? Uh, before we would [1:16:20] get to a a vote to approve a [1:16:23] budget. [1:16:24] I don't to me, I don't think [1:16:26] you can answer that question [1:16:27] until that working group gets [1:16:30] in and goes over that. What [1:16:32] staff is already provided and [1:16:36] go over all that. So to me, you [1:16:41] know, whenever they start this [1:16:43] working group, you know, they [1:16:45] can come back during the [1:16:46] workshop or one of their ward [1:16:48] report and say, hey, this is [1:16:49] what we've found and keep the [1:16:53] rest of the council updated. [1:16:57] Okay? [1:16:57] Corey. [1:16:59] So when we when we went over [1:17:03] this moratorium and it did not [1:17:06] pass by half the council, that [1:17:10] half of the council that did [1:17:12] not pass this moratorium made [1:17:13] it very clear that we can do [1:17:15] these studies without the [1:17:17] moratorium. So now we're trying [1:17:20] to do the studies, and I just [1:17:22] want to make sure that we yes, [1:17:25] any expenditures need to come [1:17:26] to the council for approval. [1:17:28] But I don't think that that [1:17:29] needs to include a small amount [1:17:32] of staff time, because that is [1:17:34] what was asked of us when this [1:17:36] moratorium failed was we do the [1:17:38] study without it. We're trying [1:17:39] to let's not put more [1:17:41] limitations on it. This is a [1:17:42] little bit of a compromise [1:17:43] here. Okay. [1:17:44] Anybody else? Roll call. [1:17:49] Councilmember Palmer. [1:17:51] Yes. [1:17:53] Councilmember Taylor. [1:17:54] Yes. [1:17:55] Council member. Cook. [1:17:57] Yes. [1:17:58] Council member. Yates. [1:18:00] Yes. [1:18:00] Council member. Spencer. Yes. [1:18:03] Council member. Koskela. [1:18:06] Yes. [1:18:07] Council member. Link. [1:18:08] Yes. [1:18:09] Council member. Wilcox. [1:18:10] Yes. [1:18:11] Council member. Boyer. [1:18:13] Yes. [1:18:14] Council member. Wexler. [1:18:15] Yes. [1:18:16] All right. There's ten. So what [1:18:22] I need from Mr. Link and Mr. [1:18:25] Boyer by next. On the agenda. [1:18:31] Come out for the next meeting.. [1:18:34] A week from. [1:18:35] One day a week from Monday. I [1:18:38] would like to have it probably [1:18:40] by next week. Of what, five? [1:18:46] Councilman is going to sit on [1:18:47] this working group. So we put [1:18:49] on the agenda to appoint the [1:18:56] five whatever five it is to [1:18:58] this working group. [1:19:00] You got it. [1:19:02] For your All's approval. Okay. [1:19:08] Anything else? Any other items? [1:19:20] Seeing none, I got a motion to [1:19:23] go to closed session 610 0211. [1:19:26] Legal action. Cause of action [1:19:27] litigation, but involving [1:19:29] public, governmental body and [1:19:31] any confidential, privileged [1:19:32] communication between the [1:19:33] public, governmental body or [1:19:35] its representative, its [1:19:36] attorneys. 610 0212 lease, [1:19:39] purchasing or sale of real [1:19:41] estate and. 610 02112 sealed [1:19:45] bids. Related documents. Until [1:19:47] the bids are open and sealed, [1:19:48] proposals and related documents [1:19:49] or any documents related to the [1:19:51] negotiated contract until the [1:19:53] contract is executed or all [1:19:55] proposals are rejected. [1:19:58] So move to. [1:20:00] Costco. [1:20:02] Councilman Wexler, seconded by [1:20:04] Councilman Koskela roll call. [1:20:06] Katie. [1:20:06] Council member Spencer. [1:20:08] Yes. [1:20:09] Council member. Wilcox. [1:20:11] Yes. [1:20:12] Council member. Cook. [1:20:13] Yes. [1:20:14] Council member. Koskela. [1:20:15] Yes. [1:20:16] Council member. Taylor. Yes. [1:20:18] Council member. Boyer. [1:20:20] Yes. [1:20:21] Council member. Palmer. [1:20:22] Yes. [1:20:23] Council member. Wexler. [1:20:24] Yes. [1:20:26] Council Member Link. [1:20:27] Yes. [1:20:27] Council member. Yates. [1:20:29] Yes. All right. We'll be in the [1:20:30] community room at 655. [1:21:25] Call to order the September [1:21:27] 10th, 2026 O'Fallon City [1:21:29] Council meeting to order roll [1:21:31] call. Bess. Mayor. Hennessey [1:21:32] present. [1:21:33] Council member. Wexler present. [1:21:34] Council member. Wilcox. [1:21:36] Present. Council member. Boyer. [1:21:37] Present. [1:21:38] Council member. Yates. [1:21:39] Present. [1:21:40] Council member. Casella. [1:21:41] Present. Council member. Lynch. [1:21:43] Present. Council member. [1:21:44] Spencer present. Council [1:21:45] member. Taylor. Present. [1:21:47] Council member. Cooke. Present. [1:21:48] Council member. [1:21:49] Palmer present. Please stand if [1:21:53] able. Invitation by police [1:21:55] chaplain Brandon Easterling, [1:21:57] followed by Pledge of [1:21:58] Allegiance led by Council [1:21:59] member Spencer. [1:22:01] Would you pray with me? Our [1:22:03] Heavenly Father, we thank you [1:22:04] for this night. We thank you [1:22:05] for the chance to gather and do [1:22:07] various matters related to our [1:22:09] city, and just thankful for the [1:22:10] leadership we have represented [1:22:12] in this room. We just ask that [1:22:13] you bless them, keep them, and [1:22:15] give us wisdom and discernment [1:22:16] tonight as we make decisions. [1:22:18] In Jesus name we pray. Amen. [1:22:24] Pledge allegiance to the flag [1:22:26] of the United States of America [1:22:28] and to the Republic for which [1:22:30] it stands. One nation under [1:22:32] God, indivisible, with liberty [1:22:35] and justice for all. All right, [1:22:44] folks, you have an agenda in [1:22:45] front of what's a pleasure? [1:22:47] Motion to approve. Costello [1:22:49] second, Wexler. [1:22:50] Moves by Councilman Costello. [1:22:51] Second by Councilman Wexler. [1:22:53] Questions or comments? All in [1:22:55] favor? All right. Any opposed? [1:22:57] Motion passes. Uh, just a [1:22:59] couple things on the presiding [1:23:01] officers report. Uh, folks, I [1:23:03] believe we have a video back [1:23:05] there. So if you want to go [1:23:06] ahead and play it. [1:23:26] For my generation, those of us [1:23:28] in high school and college, we [1:23:30] don't know. A world before nine [1:23:31] over 11, but we can definitely [1:23:33] understand the impact it has [1:23:34] had on our nation. [1:23:35] Can't overlook that. The men [1:23:37] and women who ran towards that [1:23:39] danger, and we know someday we [1:23:40] might be put in that position [1:23:41] where we have to do it, and to [1:23:43] actually watch them on live TV. [1:23:44] Doing it just it gives you a [1:23:46] sense of, you know, brotherhood [1:23:48] and sisterhood and you want to [1:23:50] be there with them, but you [1:23:51] can't. It's important that we. [1:23:53] Do what, what O'Fallon does. [1:23:55] And that is on those days we [1:23:58] have ceremonies. We invite [1:23:59] people to come together and [1:24:02] fellowship to to remember and [1:24:04] to hopefully never forget. [1:24:06] Put us, you know, hand in hand [1:24:07] with our neighbor, you know, arm around shoulders [1:24:11] and, um, so from that [1:24:14] perspective, it's just hugely [1:24:15] important, especially at this [1:24:17] time. [1:24:17] It's great that they can still [1:24:19] come together and remember [1:24:23] those sacrifices. Um, both from [1:24:26] that first responder [1:24:27] standpoint, but also the [1:24:30] military. [1:24:30] It puts a tangibility to the [1:24:33] event that you can't get off of [1:24:36] the page of a textbook. [1:24:37] You can't get it in a textbook. [1:24:38] To me, I. [1:24:39] What moves me the most about [1:24:41] the nine over 11 ceremony is [1:24:43] listening to those, the Chiefs [1:24:45] and everybody else. Recap of [1:24:47] what happened locally and [1:24:49] everything else. [1:24:50] And that's really what hits [1:24:52] home for people. [1:24:53] Come out to the Justice Center [1:24:55] on nine over 11. You'll get to [1:24:56] hear all the great stories. [1:24:59] You know, I think the young [1:25:01] people that come here are moved [1:25:03] by it, and hopefully they learn [1:25:05] something from it. Anytime that [1:25:07] you can make it, make a [1:25:09] connection with a kid, that's [1:25:11] when they learned. And so we're always in the business of [1:25:15] education, trying to help kids [1:25:17] find connections to what we're [1:25:19] trying to teach them. And when [1:25:21] we when kids come out to a [1:25:23] remembrance ceremony, that's [1:25:25] when they make the connection. [1:25:26] Listen to what somebody is [1:25:29] telling you about what they [1:25:31] felt and what they experienced. [1:25:33] And then for a minute, put [1:25:35] yourself in their shoes and you [1:25:38] will understand why we need to [1:25:43] protect this country. [1:25:45] We can't heal, but we can't [1:25:48] ever forget. I think it's so [1:25:51] important we keep saying that. [1:25:53] Over and over. [1:25:55] Join us for Oberlin's annual [1:25:57] Patriot Day ceremony and 9/11 [1:25:59] Remembrance Walk on Friday, [1:26:02] September 11th at the O'Fallon [1:26:03] Justice Center. The Patriot Day [1:26:05] ceremony will take place from [1:26:08] 830 to 9 a.m., honoring the [1:26:10] lives lost and the heroes who [1:26:12] responded with courage. [1:26:13] Immediately following the [1:26:14] ceremony, a remembrance Walk [1:26:16] will begin at 9 a.m., offering [1:26:18] a reflective journey that pays [1:26:19] tribute to the sacrifices made, [1:26:21] honors those who continue to [1:26:23] inspire us, and ends in a [1:26:25] moving display of patriotism. [1:26:37] Great jobs by our [1:26:38] communications department. And [1:26:40] just as a reminder, didn't [1:26:42] catch it. Uh, the nine over 11 [1:26:45] ceremony will be tomorrow [1:26:46] morning at 830 at the Justice [1:26:49] Center. Uh, followed by the one [1:26:51] mile walk. And we will hear [1:26:54] from a police officer. We'll [1:26:57] hear from a retired fire chief, [1:27:00] and we will hear from, uh, a a [1:27:04] senior in high school. How it [1:27:08] affects their generation. So, [1:27:12] uh, there's a few other things [1:27:14] that be there. So if you can [1:27:17] make it to the Justice Center [1:27:19] tomorrow morning at 830, uh, [1:27:21] we'd love to have you out there. [1:27:24] So that brings us to citizens [1:27:26] comments, Mr. Danoff. [1:27:39] Thank you very much. Members of [1:27:41] council, first of all, is a [1:27:43] reconsideration of Bill 7879. [1:27:46] Elected officials need to have [1:27:48] a backbone. A backbone is [1:27:50] needed when you're elected to [1:27:51] public office. Was this [1:27:53] reconsideration forced or [1:27:55] mandated by Mayor Hennessy for [1:27:57] his developer buddy? There need [1:27:59] to be protections and [1:28:00] guarantees for all senior [1:28:02] citizens. Assurances to the [1:28:04] community about maintenance, [1:28:06] elevators, air conditioning, [1:28:08] barriers not sold for [1:28:10] apartments or HUD. Section [1:28:11] eight. In 15 years, when we [1:28:13] don't need senior housing [1:28:14] because of the population [1:28:16] decrease, we need to get this [1:28:18] project right for the [1:28:19] neighborhood. I ask that you [1:28:21] send this bill back to the [1:28:22] Planning and Zoning Commission. [1:28:24] I will be opposing all [1:28:25] applications for any state tax [1:28:26] credits, any funding from the [1:28:28] state, or reduce interest [1:28:30] rates. Bill 7989 resident [1:28:33] testimony on Public Citizen [1:28:35] comments. Let's get her done [1:28:37] and fully restored. Speaking on [1:28:38] any issue or topic and a five [1:28:40] minute time limit. If not, [1:28:42] there will be a city initiative. [1:28:44] Petition the place a question [1:28:46] and rules under the city [1:28:47] election ballot. Let's be [1:28:49] honest and truthful to the [1:28:50] public and tell the public why [1:28:52] you change public comments. The [1:28:55] former council did an attempt [1:28:57] in a spiteful, mean and hateful [1:28:59] attempt to silence and shut me [1:29:01] up personally. It was over a [1:29:03] terrible police chief that I [1:29:05] sent packing back to Texas. It [1:29:07] has not worked and will never [1:29:09] work. The city council can [1:29:11] never act like a private [1:29:12] country club folk. And that's [1:29:14] the exact comment. Mr. [1:29:15] Hennessey, I speak the truth [1:29:17] with real facts and [1:29:18] information. Your current rules [1:29:20] and city ordinance is [1:29:22] unconstitutional and invalid. I [1:29:24] just been too lazy to take it [1:29:25] to a circuit court judge and [1:29:27] get it invalidated. Bill 7890 [1:29:30] reading through two readings is [1:29:32] in direct violation of our home [1:29:33] rule City charter. By mandating [1:29:35] time for citizens response, [1:29:37] comment and testimony. This is [1:29:39] for a developer from Cape [1:29:40] Girardeau who is worth over [1:29:43] $150 million in assets, and at [1:29:47] stake is over $100 million in [1:29:48] tax credits and corporate [1:29:50] welfare giveaways. Resolution A [1:29:52] is $13,900 times four for [1:29:56] $55,000. Is it an invasion of [1:29:59] citizen privacy? Return on [1:30:00] investment, or really getting [1:30:02] our use out of this software? [1:30:04] Resolution B Daines Park [1:30:06] Playground Equipment [1:30:07] Replacement $200,000 I thought [1:30:10] we just recently replaced this [1:30:12] equipment. Resolution C at [1:30:14] Green Drive. Reconstruction and [1:30:15] sidewalks. What are total waste [1:30:17] of $1.5 million? Federal, [1:30:21] county, city. And it's a pork [1:30:24] barrel project. In my opinion. [1:30:25] Resolution D you. [1:30:27] Have 50s. [1:30:28] Sanitary district problems with [1:30:29] the bid and contract resolution [1:30:31] E honor guard uniform [1:30:32] replacement 25,000. How could [1:30:34] they be worn out in eight [1:30:36] years? Resolution F $23,000 in [1:30:39] chiller repairs on a five year [1:30:41] old $30 million. [1:30:42] Police building off. [1:30:43] We need off contractors. [1:30:44] Counting off. Your time is up, [1:30:46] sir. [1:30:46] Thank you. [1:30:49] Our next speaker is Patty [1:30:53] Riney. I hope I said that [1:30:56] correct. [1:31:02] Good evening. Thank you. My [1:31:05] name is Patty Riney and I am a [1:31:08] regional manager for Pioneer [1:31:10] Property Management, Inc. I've [1:31:12] been working with Phoenix Real [1:31:13] Estate for the past 15 years, [1:31:16] managing the daily operations [1:31:19] of the tech properties that [1:31:20] they've developed. I have a [1:31:22] firsthand experience with the [1:31:25] benefits of these large tech [1:31:27] properties, and I am here to [1:31:30] advocate for the village at [1:31:32] Hillman Farm and ask you to [1:31:35] reconsider your decision on [1:31:37] this property. Um, I, in my [1:31:41] daily work, I see firsthand the [1:31:44] strong need for affordable [1:31:46] housing and, better options for [1:31:50] seniors. And in my line of [1:31:52] work, I. I see and hear from [1:31:56] our clients on a daily basis on [1:32:00] what their struggles are, and [1:32:02] affordable housing is at the [1:32:04] top of their list. Um, I [1:32:05] appreciate the time that you [1:32:07] gave me, and I hope that you [1:32:09] reconsider. [1:32:10] Thank you ma'am. Our next [1:32:13] speaker is Dan Bernard Barnard. [1:32:29] Thank you. I'm Dan Barnard with [1:32:31] Phoenix Real Estate Services. [1:32:33] Do I need to get my address, [1:32:34] please? Uh, 2800 West Clay [1:32:37] Valley Drive, Saint Charles, [1:32:38] Missouri, 63301. Okay. Thank [1:32:42] you very much for the [1:32:43] reconsideration. It's really [1:32:45] important. Uh, I want you to [1:32:47] know that Phoenix Real Estate [1:32:49] Services, as a developer for [1:32:50] tax credit properties, has been [1:32:52] in business for over 15 years. [1:32:54] We've been developing these [1:32:56] kind of apartments for low [1:32:58] income seniors for that time. [1:33:01] Uh, if this is approved, [1:33:03] village at Hillman Farms would [1:33:06] be our 10th development [1:33:08] altogether. And it would be, [1:33:11] uh, somewhere in the [1:33:12] neighborhood of 600 apartment [1:33:14] units, almost all of them for [1:33:16] low income seniors. Um, the [1:33:20] social media comments that have [1:33:22] come from the denial a couple [1:33:24] of weeks ago have been, uh, [1:33:26] appears to me tremendously in [1:33:28] favor of the affordable [1:33:30] housing. The few 10 to 15% [1:33:35] negative comments, uh, seem to [1:33:36] come from folks that don't know [1:33:38] very much about the program and [1:33:41] the obligations of the [1:33:43] developer. Um, and, uh, there's [1:33:48] just a lot of interest in this, [1:33:49] and there's a tremendous need, [1:33:52] um, for this kind of [1:33:54] development. Our waiting list [1:33:57] at Queen's Brook and Saint [1:33:58] Peter's, we have over 200 [1:34:01] people on our waiting list. And [1:34:03] the market study that was done [1:34:05] for, uh, village at Hillman [1:34:07] Farms shows that all of the [1:34:10] O'Fallon, um, developments that [1:34:12] have previously been put [1:34:14] together, uh, have waiting [1:34:16] lists of 2 to 3 years to get [1:34:19] into those, those kind of [1:34:22] apartments. We looked [1:34:27] throughout say we like to build [1:34:29] in Saint Charles County. It's a [1:34:31] great place, good location. [1:34:33] We've got three developments in [1:34:35] Saint Charles. We have two in [1:34:37] Wentzville. We have two in [1:34:39] Saint Peter's. This would be [1:34:41] our first in O'Fallon, but [1:34:42] Saint Charles County altogether [1:34:44] and the municipalities in it [1:34:46] are where we'd like to be. Uh, [1:34:48] it's a low crime rate. Uh, we [1:34:50] work with solid core of [1:34:53] subcontractors and suppliers, [1:34:55] many of whom are. Most of them [1:34:57] are in Saint Charles County. [1:34:58] Some are in O'Fallon. We we [1:35:01] looked all over the place. This [1:35:03] was our best site that we could [1:35:04] find. Uh, there are a couple of [1:35:07] our three properties in [1:35:09] O'Fallon. We looked at those. [1:35:11] They're not on the market. They [1:35:13] don't meet the needs of our [1:35:14] people, our residents and so [1:35:16] forth. And, um, that's why we [1:35:19] wound up, uh, going to the [1:35:22] Mexico Road location. [1:35:23] You have 15 seconds. [1:35:25] Thank you. The site's been [1:35:26] vacant for 20 years. Not likely [1:35:29] to be used for any sort of [1:35:31] retail. And the traffic impact [1:35:34] is for our projects is really [1:35:37] low. [1:35:38] Okay. [1:35:38] Thank you for your time. [1:35:40] Sir. [1:35:41] All right. Brings this to World [1:35:43] Reports, Ward one. [1:35:47] I just. [1:35:48] Wanted to remind everybody [1:35:49] again about the nine over 11 [1:35:50] ceremony and the walk tomorrow. [1:35:52] And then our Rail district [1:35:53] festival is this Saturday. So [1:35:55] lots of stuff going on in [1:35:56] O'Fallon. [1:35:57] Thank you. [1:35:57] Real district from 12 to 6 at [1:36:00] Civic Park. Mr. Wechsler. [1:36:03] Thank you. Mayor Scott. You [1:36:05] stole what I was going to talk [1:36:06] about. So I will talk about the [1:36:08] other, uh, big thing happening [1:36:11] in Ward one this weekend, which [1:36:12] is tacos and tequila on [1:36:14] Saturday. Um, it's probably [1:36:16] going to be loud. We're [1:36:18] probably gonna hear about it [1:36:19] if, uh, if you have questions, [1:36:21] call Scott or call the police [1:36:23] department. There you go. [1:36:25] That's what I got. [1:36:26] Okay, we're two. [1:36:30] Thank you. Mayor. Um, there's [1:36:33] also a blood drive coming up [1:36:35] this week at the Justice [1:36:36] Center, which is, um, later [1:36:39] this week. And then Saturday is [1:36:41] the. And Debbie, I'm going to [1:36:42] beat you to it. The pool. [1:36:44] Pause. Dog swim at Civic Park. [1:36:48] Uh, and then most importantly, [1:36:50] it was my anniversary this [1:36:51] week, so I have to give props [1:36:55] to my wife on that. [1:36:58] Brian. [1:36:59] Awesome. Uh, usually we're up [1:37:01] here talking about how bad the [1:37:02] roads are. This time I get to [1:37:03] say how good they are. Uh, Ward [1:37:05] two, we got a lot of our slab replacements, and I've [1:37:09] received a lot of kudos off of [1:37:11] that, so. Yay! This is when the [1:37:14] roads get repaired. People are [1:37:16] happy, so that's great. Thank [1:37:17] you. [1:37:19] Ward three. [1:37:21] Thank you. Mayor. Well, [1:37:23] Councilman Boyer, that's great [1:37:24] news because that means our [1:37:25] slabs are next year. And so [1:37:27] looking forward to that. [1:37:28] Praise. Um, I want to share a [1:37:29] couple things. So for those of [1:37:30] you that don't know, I'm the [1:37:31] council liaison to the Historic [1:37:33] Preservation Commission. Uh, it [1:37:35] feels like it's certainly been [1:37:36] history since we last met. Uh, [1:37:38] it's typically the first [1:37:39] Tuesday of the month. So with [1:37:41] the fourth, uh, and the [1:37:42] election, it's been a couple of [1:37:43] months, so we've had to meet, [1:37:45] uh, so in either case, I wanted [1:37:46] to share some updates from [1:37:48] them. So they'll be at the Rail [1:37:49] District Festival. Uh, that was [1:37:51] mentioned earlier. They're [1:37:52] going to have a table set up [1:37:54] with some of the sturdier [1:37:55] artifacts from the log cabin [1:37:57] there. Um, they're also, uh, [1:37:59] they've done a ton of work. [1:38:00] They're almost completed with a [1:38:03] new brochure that they're going [1:38:04] to put out to a lot of the [1:38:05] local businesses. I think [1:38:07] they're looking to make 18,000 [1:38:09] copies of it. Uh, so quite a [1:38:10] few, uh, but, you know, that'll [1:38:12] share with some of our [1:38:13] visitors, uh, O'Fallon history [1:38:15] and hopefully draw them out to [1:38:17] some more of our historical [1:38:18] sites. Um, also, we're working [1:38:20] on a project that kind of [1:38:21] brings some history and [1:38:22] technology together. Uh, I [1:38:24] guess they have a series of [1:38:26] interviews, uh, from residents [1:38:27] back at the turn of the, the [1:38:29] 19th century, uh, that are [1:38:31] actually on tape. So we're [1:38:32] going to be looking to convert [1:38:34] those into digital recordings, [1:38:36] uh, and share those on the [1:38:37] website. Uh, and then the last [1:38:39] thing just from earlier this [1:38:40] evening that I'm happy to [1:38:42] announce is that, uh, with the [1:38:43] work of, uh, Councilman Boyer [1:38:44] and myself, uh, we had [1:38:46] unanimous council approval to [1:38:48] proceed with the creation of a [1:38:50] working group that will study [1:38:51] the impacts of multifamily [1:38:53] housing in the city. So it'll [1:38:55] be a five member group, one [1:38:56] from each ward, and will work [1:38:58] to conduct those studies over [1:39:00] the next several months and [1:39:01] turn those into actionable [1:39:02] outcomes. Thank you. Mayor. [1:39:04] Mister Casella. [1:39:05] Thank you. Mayor. I have [1:39:06] nothing to report. Just to [1:39:08] never forget. Thanks. [1:39:09] Ward, for.. [1:39:12] Thank you. Um, so I wanted to [1:39:14] talk about because tonight I'm [1:39:17] proud to co-sponsor legislation [1:39:20] with my ward partner, uh, [1:39:21] council member Spencer, [1:39:23] expanding citizens comments at [1:39:26] our city council meetings, [1:39:27] given residents the opportunity [1:39:29] to speak about issues beyond [1:39:31] what happens to be listed on [1:39:33] that night's agenda. And why [1:39:35] does this matter to me so much? [1:39:37] Well, because we work for you. [1:39:39] know, the residents of [1:39:41] O'Fallon, you're not a guest at [1:39:43] City Hall. You're not an [1:39:45] inconvenience. You're our [1:39:47] bosses. Your tax dollars fund, [1:39:49] this city and those of us [1:39:51] sitting behind this dais were [1:39:53] elected to represent you. This [1:39:55] dais is not a throne in which [1:39:57] we rule on. It's a seat of [1:39:59] public service. And we should [1:40:00] never forget who put us here. [1:40:02] So if you have concerns about [1:40:04] your neighborhood, roads, [1:40:06] public safety, development [1:40:08] spending, or the direction of [1:40:10] our city, you should have the [1:40:11] opportunity to come before your [1:40:13] elected representatives and be [1:40:15] heard, even when what you have [1:40:18] to say may be uncomfortable or [1:40:20] something we may not that we [1:40:22] may disagree with. You know, [1:40:24] both of my grandfathers served [1:40:26] for this country and fought to [1:40:27] protect the freedoms that we [1:40:29] enjoy and our fundamental right [1:40:30] for the First Amendment rights. [1:40:32] And I take those freedoms [1:40:34] seriously. Government should [1:40:36] not unnecessarily restrict the [1:40:38] voices of our residents inside [1:40:40] the city hall that belongs to [1:40:42] them. Of course, meetings need [1:40:44] reasonable rules and maintain [1:40:46] order and ensure everyone has [1:40:48] the opportunity to speak, but [1:40:50] those rules should facilitate [1:40:52] public participation, not [1:40:54] become barriers to it. You [1:40:56] know, like I said, we work for [1:40:57] you, we answer to you, and we [1:40:59] should listen to you. And [1:41:01] public office is not about [1:41:03] power over the people. It's [1:41:05] about service to the people. [1:41:07] And I'll continue working [1:41:09] towards a city hall that [1:41:10] remembers that distinction. [1:41:12] Thank you. [1:41:13] Miss Taylor. I'm [1:41:15] sorry, Miss Benson. [1:41:16] Again, if you want. [1:41:18] I mean, she can go again if you [1:41:19] really want her to, uh. I am [1:41:22] also proud to be sponsoring a [1:41:24] bill that would give citizens [1:41:26] the opportunity to comment on [1:41:27] city related topics that are [1:41:29] not specifically listed on the [1:41:31] council agenda. Um, and I [1:41:33] believe residents should have a [1:41:34] voice in the city that they [1:41:36] choose to live in and a chance [1:41:37] to bring forward questions, [1:41:38] concerns and ideas and not be [1:41:40] limited to emails, text [1:41:41] messages and phone calls to do [1:41:42] so. Um, it's about increasing [1:41:45] communication, increasing [1:41:46] transparency, and making sure [1:41:48] that our residents feel heard. [1:41:50] And I look forward to working [1:41:52] with my fellow council members [1:41:53] to figure out a way to move [1:41:55] forward on this, where everyone [1:41:56] can be happy. Um, I think the [1:41:58] residents are expecting us to [1:42:00] do better, and I think it's [1:42:01] time we start to do better. [1:42:03] Thank you. [1:42:04] We're five. [1:42:07] Well, everything's been spoken [1:42:08] on. But since, um, I was [1:42:11] reminded about anniversaries [1:42:12] and since my husband just [1:42:13] walked in the room. My. Our [1:42:16] anniversary is next Saturday, [1:42:17] so happy anniversary, dear. [1:42:19] Oh, boy. [1:42:23] That's what it was. [1:42:26] Top that John. Mr. Palmer. [1:42:29] Uh, I don't know if we should [1:42:30] comment on the her husband's [1:42:33] arm injury or not, but anyways, [1:42:36] um, again tomorrow, a big day. [1:42:39] Uh, I do want to start by [1:42:41] expressing sympathy to a family [1:42:42] friend of mine, uh, Patty Pike, [1:42:44] who recently lost her long [1:42:46] fight with cancer. Very [1:42:47] humbling reminder of our [1:42:49] mortality. And that bad things [1:42:50] can happen even to the best of [1:42:51] people. And a reminder that [1:42:53] there are some things important [1:42:54] that are very important in some [1:42:55] that are not. So my thoughts [1:42:57] and prayers are with her and [1:42:58] her family. Also received a [1:42:59] very nice email from a resident [1:43:01] and on Saint Gemma Drive, [1:43:02] complimented the city employees [1:43:03] for the work that they were [1:43:05] doing. Uh resident expressed [1:43:06] gratitude for previous [1:43:07] interactions with the city as [1:43:08] well. Positive feedback like [1:43:10] that's always appreciated. So I [1:43:12] want to say thank you to the [1:43:13] resident for taking the time to [1:43:14] share, and especially thank you [1:43:15] to Jay Farragut, Richard [1:43:16] Boselli and their teams for [1:43:17] being helpful and doing a good [1:43:18] job. We don't usually get [1:43:20] emails like that. Um, on [1:43:22] tonight's agenda, I did request [1:43:24] reconsideration of Bill 7879, [1:43:28] which failed at our last [1:43:29] council meeting. I want to be [1:43:30] very clear about why I did [1:43:33] that. No one pushed me to do [1:43:35] this. No one convinced me, [1:43:37] bullied me, or got to me. The [1:43:39] mayor does not have magical [1:43:40] powers over me. This is 100% me [1:43:43] and I took it to some folks to [1:43:46] try and get advice on [1:43:47] procedurally how to do this and [1:43:50] how to get it back. The matter [1:43:52] back before the council. Anyone [1:43:53] who knows me knows that the [1:43:54] pressure and intimidation is [1:43:56] really not a good way or an [1:43:57] effective way to change my [1:43:59] mind. I struggled with my vote [1:44:01] on this proposal. As I said in [1:44:03] the last meeting, I believe [1:44:04] there are legitimate concerns [1:44:06] that deserve to be addressed. I [1:44:08] believe that we should explore [1:44:09] whether additional requirements [1:44:10] can be put in place to mitigate [1:44:11] some of the problems we [1:44:12] experienced in similar [1:44:13] facilities elsewhere. At the [1:44:15] same time, there's clearly a [1:44:16] need, as we heard in the public [1:44:17] comments for this facility. For [1:44:18] facility like this, they are [1:44:21] full. They have very long [1:44:22] waiting lists, and I think we [1:44:24] have an opportunity to provide [1:44:25] to help meet the needs of this [1:44:27] demographic and increase the [1:44:28] available supply while [1:44:29] strengthening protections for [1:44:31] the residents who will live [1:44:32] there. If the motion to [1:44:33] reconsider successful, my [1:44:35] intention is to move the table. [1:44:36] Bill 7879 and ask city staff to [1:44:39] evaluate potential enhancements [1:44:40] to our conditional use permit [1:44:42] requirements, city code [1:44:43] enforcement provisions and [1:44:44] penalty options. The goal will [1:44:46] be determined whether we can [1:44:47] better mitigate these types of [1:44:49] issues that have occurred in [1:44:49] similar facilities in the area, [1:44:51] and potentially set aside any [1:44:54] additional traffic concerns. [1:44:56] Since last meeting, I received [1:44:57] feedback indicating that some [1:44:58] of the concerns I raised were [1:44:59] shared by others. I'm hopeful [1:45:01] that we can work together, find [1:45:03] a responsible path forward, and [1:45:04] that serves our senior, our [1:45:05] senior community while [1:45:07] addressing those concerns, I [1:45:09] also believe it's important to [1:45:10] recognize that the applicant [1:45:11] had very little opportunity to [1:45:12] respond to the concerns and [1:45:14] requests raised at the last [1:45:15] meeting, and I and I believe [1:45:16] the outcome was a bit of a [1:45:17] surprise. After doing original [1:45:19] a little bit of research, I [1:45:20] discovered why the same [1:45:23] property and the substantially [1:45:24] the same proposal, except for [1:45:26] that the previous proposal was 33% larger with 56 [1:45:31] units instead of the current 42 [1:45:32] came before the council less [1:45:33] than a year ago, as bills [1:45:34] number 7797 on December 18th, [1:45:38] 2025, Bill 7797 was approved by [1:45:41] a vote of 8 to 0. At the time, [1:45:43] one council position was vacant [1:45:45] and my predecessor was absent [1:45:47] because she was ill. Given that [1:45:48] history, the applicant [1:45:49] reasonably could have expected [1:45:50] a similar proposal, now reduced [1:45:52] from 56 to 42, would receive [1:45:54] serious consideration and [1:45:55] approval. They had no reason to [1:45:56] believe otherwise. My purpose [1:45:58] in asking for reconsideration [1:45:59] is not to disregard concerns [1:46:00] that were raised. It's the [1:46:01] opposite. I want to give us an [1:46:03] opportunity to address those [1:46:04] concerns thoughtfully, and [1:46:05] determine whether safeguards [1:46:06] can be added, and then make the [1:46:07] decision based on the best [1:46:08] possible information. I believe [1:46:10] that this is a responsible [1:46:11] thing for us to do for the [1:46:12] neighborhood, the city, and [1:46:14] particularly for seniors who [1:46:16] may ultimately depend on [1:46:17] facilities like this. So I hope [1:46:18] that I can receive your [1:46:19] support. Thank you mayor. [1:46:20] Thank you, Mr. Link. [1:46:24] I'd like to thank Councilwoman [1:46:28] Cook for reminding me that I [1:46:29] also have an anniversary coming [1:46:31] up, and I would probably be [1:46:33] toast if I didn't say it. So, [1:46:34] uh, happy birthday or. I'm [1:46:36] sorry. Happy anniversary to my [1:46:39] wife, Abby. Our anniversary is [1:46:40] coming up on the 14th. [1:46:41] Thank you. There you go. Nice [1:46:43] job there, bud. Mr. Snowden, I [1:46:47] don't know how to follow that. [1:46:49] Perhaps I should apologize. [1:46:50] To my wife for anything I may [1:46:52] be about to do. [1:46:53] I don't know. [1:46:54] All right. Thank you. Mayor, I. [1:46:56] I'd like to take a moment to [1:46:58] acknowledge the contributions [1:46:59] of staff members who are [1:47:00] reaching milestone [1:47:01] anniversaries this month. [1:47:02] Police officers Adam, Ashley, [1:47:04] Cody Fisher and Brandon [1:47:05] Kubrick, along with building [1:47:07] Inspector Nicholas Funk, [1:47:09] maintenance worker Kyle DeWalt [1:47:10] and parks construction worker [1:47:12] Andrew Eiler have all been with [1:47:13] us for five years. Utility [1:47:15] worker two Bill Howard has been [1:47:17] a part of team O'Fallon for ten [1:47:19] years. And last but certainly [1:47:21] not least, park's maintenance [1:47:22] supervisor, Brian Kraft has [1:47:24] served our city for 15 years, [1:47:26] so I'd like to thank all eight [1:47:27] of those individuals for being [1:47:28] such an integral part of team [1:47:29] O'Fallon for all these years. [1:47:31] And that's all I have tonight, [1:47:32] sir. All right. Brings dull [1:47:34] business bring. They'll have a [1:47:37] motion to for reconsideration [1:47:39] of Bill 7879. Palmer lost by [1:47:45] Councilman Palmer. Do I have a [1:47:46] second? [1:47:49] Wilcox. [1:47:50] Councilman Wilcox. All in [1:47:54] favor? [1:47:54] All right. [1:47:55] Any opposed? [1:47:56] I. [1:47:58] just heard the one. [1:47:59] No more. No roll call. [1:48:04] Beth. [1:48:07] Councilmember link. [1:48:09] Yes. [1:48:09] Council member. Boyer. [1:48:11] Yes. [1:48:12] Council member. Cooke. [1:48:13] No. [1:48:14] Council member. Spencer. [1:48:16] No. [1:48:16] Council member. Wilcox. [1:48:18] Yes. [1:48:18] Council member. Yates. [1:48:20] No. [1:48:21] Councilmember. Koskela. [1:48:23] Yes. [1:48:23] Councilmember. Palmer. [1:48:25] Yes. [1:48:26] Councilmember. Taylor. [1:48:27] No. [1:48:28] Councilmember. Wexler. [1:48:30] Yes. [1:48:31] Six four. [1:48:33] Yes. [1:48:34] All right. Mr.. Palmer. [1:48:38] So I would like to turn around, [1:48:40] as I've mentioned in my open in [1:48:41] my ward report, I'd like to [1:48:43] table Bill 7879 and request a [1:48:45] staff evaluate and propose [1:48:47] potential enhancements to the [1:48:48] conditional use permit [1:48:49] requirements, applicable city [1:48:50] provisions and enforcement and [1:48:51] penalty options that could help [1:48:53] us mitigate issues that we [1:48:54] experience in similar [1:48:55] facilities in the area. [1:48:56] All right. So we have a motion [1:48:57] to table 7879 by Councilman [1:49:00] Palmer. Do I have a second? [1:49:01] by Councilman Wilcox. [1:49:05] Questions? All in favor? [1:49:07] Aye. [1:49:07] Any opposed? [1:49:10] Do you want us to move forward? [1:49:13] Nine one. Motion passes the [1:49:17] table. Brings us to commit. Go [1:49:25] ahead. Sir. [1:49:26] So, does anything else need to [1:49:27] happen for staff to commence on [1:49:29] that? I'm new to this. [1:49:33] No, sir. [1:49:34] Thank you. [1:49:37] All right. Brings us to [1:49:52] committee and commission [1:49:53] reports. Questions stand as [1:49:58] read. Questions and comments on [1:50:01] the consent calendar. [1:50:04] Motion to approve. [1:50:05] Second, Wexler. [1:50:08] Councilman Koskela, seconded by [1:50:10] Councilman Wexler. Councilman, [1:50:12] cast your vote. [1:50:18] The voting is closed. [1:50:20] Ten. Yes. Zero. No. The consent [1:50:22] calendar has been approved. [1:50:24] Next is a public hearing to [1:50:27] consider amending certain [1:50:29] provisions of title for land [1:50:30] use. Chapter 400 related [1:50:32] regulations pertaining to [1:50:34] development activities within [1:50:35] the great city of O'Fallon, [1:50:36] Missouri. Mr. woods. [1:50:44] Thank you, Mayor and Council. [1:50:46] This is really just kind of [1:50:48] following up to the ordinance [1:50:49] that was approved by, actually [1:50:50] P and Z in the council just [1:50:52] last month where we were want [1:50:54] to limit commercial recreation. [1:50:57] We we changed the code last month for industrial to [1:51:00] limit that in industrial [1:51:01] districts. This has taken it a [1:51:02] little further, but taken out [1:51:04] the commercial recreation in [1:51:06] our high tech zoning. So that's [1:51:08] the only, only thing that's [1:51:09] being changed is changing that [1:51:12] land use from being allowed in [1:51:14] high tech, a recreational [1:51:16] facility and that's what we've [1:51:21] just done for industrial. Yes, [1:51:22] sir. [1:51:22] Okay. Questions for David. [1:51:25] Yeah. Can you can you give me [1:51:27] examples of these types of [1:51:30] facilities that we would no [1:51:31] longer allow in tech? [1:51:32] Yeah, there's there's one I [1:51:33] know of for sure. There was [1:51:34] like a batting cage, batting [1:51:36] cages, indoor batting cages was [1:51:37] one, um, uh, like training, [1:51:40] soccer training facilities. I [1:51:42] know of a few of those around. [1:51:44] Cheerleading, uh, would be [1:51:46] something commercial [1:51:47] recreation, uh, kind of fits a [1:51:49] lot of those categories. Or [1:51:52] uses. [1:51:52] And then like that. Uh, reduces [1:51:56] the flexibility on the use of [1:51:57] that land. Is there like, what? [1:52:00] I don't I'm not quite sure why [1:52:01] it's a big deal. [1:52:03] Well, I think, you know, rather [1:52:05] than having those type of uses [1:52:06] in, we're going to have more [1:52:08] businesses that have, uh, you [1:52:11] know, more the high tech, uh, [1:52:14] offices, you know, research and [1:52:17] development, rather than just [1:52:18] having, you know, big [1:52:20] warehouses not being used to. [1:52:21] They're fulfilled, uh, proposed [1:52:24] use. [1:52:27] Mr. Lincoln. [1:52:28] Uh, so, Mr. Woods, then, I [1:52:31] guess those types of businesses [1:52:33] would be more appropriate in, [1:52:34] like C1, C2, as opposed to high [1:52:38] tech corridor. [1:52:39] Yeah, they would. They're still [1:52:40] allowed in commercial. [1:52:42] And those aren't changing at [1:52:43] all. It's only the TCD that's [1:52:46] impacted okay. Thank you. [1:52:48] Anybody else David if you would [1:52:51] step aside, Mr. Dean of. [1:53:04] Thank you. Members of city [1:53:06] Council. Um, as the last bill I [1:53:10] oppose because I think that [1:53:12] private property owner rights [1:53:14] have the right to establish [1:53:16] recreational needs in vacant [1:53:18] buildings that we have [1:53:20] throughout the city. Um, I [1:53:21] think that that's an individual [1:53:22] property right now when it [1:53:24] comes to the high tech corridor [1:53:26] we have decimated, we have [1:53:28] destroyed this district. In my [1:53:31] opposition over the last decade [1:53:33] or two decades, almost, um, [1:53:35] previous city councils have [1:53:38] absolutely eroded the high [1:53:41] technology corridor and zoning [1:53:43] district. We have given in to [1:53:45] special interest developers. We [1:53:47] have given in to special money, [1:53:49] we have given in to, um, [1:53:54] destroying what the technology [1:53:57] is, the future of our nation. I [1:54:00] am in support of this change of [1:54:02] article seven, uh, chapter 400, [1:54:04] title four. By not allowing [1:54:06] recreational facilities or [1:54:08] indoor sales or service or [1:54:10] commercial recreational [1:54:12] opportunities in our high tech [1:54:14] corridor, or that zoning [1:54:16] district. Let's make a hard [1:54:20] stand. City Council by stop [1:54:22] giving game by stop giving in [1:54:25] and giving away the zoning of [1:54:27] our high technology district. [1:54:29] We have given in to storage [1:54:31] buildings. We have given in to [1:54:33] banks. We have given in to car [1:54:36] washes, and we have mostly [1:54:38] given in to huge apartment [1:54:40] complexes and our technology [1:54:42] high, uh, um, our technology [1:54:45] corridor. And I have opposed [1:54:48] those issues. I oppose those [1:54:49] zoning measures. We continue to [1:54:51] give away and erode that [1:54:54] district. We don't even have a [1:54:55] district, almost. It's almost [1:54:58] non-existent on the south side [1:55:00] where we have Technology [1:55:02] Boulevard. It's called [1:55:03] Technology Boulevard for a [1:55:04] reason, but it never came to [1:55:06] fruition. We never took the [1:55:09] breadcrumbs and never made some [1:55:11] economic establishments and [1:55:13] tried to gain national interest [1:55:16] in attracting high tech [1:55:18] industries to O'Fallon. And [1:55:20] it's it's shameful because we [1:55:22] have Mastercard, we have [1:55:24] companies down there that are [1:55:25] huge and that would just go [1:55:27] hand in hand with each other. [1:55:28] And then a high tech corridor [1:55:30] district. So I'm in support of [1:55:33] Bill number 78, 84. Um, and [1:55:36] let's stop eroding what we have [1:55:38] left. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [1:55:40] Thank you. No speakers will go [1:55:43] ahead and close the public [1:55:44] hearing. And brings us to Bill. [1:55:45] Any questions for David? [1:55:49] Thanks, David. Bill 7884. Most [1:55:53] first reading. Lawyer was [1:55:58] Councilmember Boyer, second. [1:56:00] Palmer second by Councilman [1:56:01] Palmer, Councilman Boyer, [1:56:03] please present the bill. [1:56:04] number 7884, an ordinance [1:56:08] amending certain provisions of [1:56:09] the title for land use. Chapter [1:56:11] 400 related to regulations [1:56:13] pertaining to development [1:56:15] activities within the city of [1:56:16] O'Fallon, Missouri. [1:56:17] Thank you. Next is public [1:56:18] hearing to consider leaving the [1:56:20] property tax for the great city [1:56:21] of O'Fallon, Missouri for the [1:56:23] year 2026 for the purpose of [1:56:25] general revenue and debt [1:56:26] service. Miss Buescher. [1:56:32] Good evening. On the agenda [1:56:36] tonight is the first reading of [1:56:38] the property tax ordinance. [1:56:40] There are two rates that are [1:56:42] being set. The first is our [1:56:44] general levy. The general levy [1:56:49] for last year was 0.2815. I am [1:56:53] recommending that it stayed the [1:56:55] same. Um, that rate is set [1:56:57] using the Hancock amendment, [1:56:59] and that is also certified [1:57:01] through the Missouri State [1:57:02] Auditor's office. So I am [1:57:04] recommending that we levy that [1:57:06] at the ceiling of which we're [1:57:08] allowed to the second rate we [1:57:10] levy is a debt service rate. [1:57:12] This is the monies that we use [1:57:14] to pay off the Geo bonds that [1:57:16] were approved by our voters. [1:57:18] There is a calculation that's [1:57:21] used in order to set this levy. [1:57:23] It's based on the amount of [1:57:24] bonds that we issue in 2027, [1:57:28] and the amount of bonds that [1:57:30] are issued in 2028. The monies [1:57:34] that we collect for our [1:57:36] property taxes, a majority of [1:57:38] those are collected in [1:57:39] December, and up to 60 days [1:57:41] after the end of the year. So a [1:57:44] lot of the property taxes that [1:57:46] we collect aren't collected [1:57:47] until after the end of the [1:57:48] year, which is why we're [1:57:50] allowed to use two years worth [1:57:51] of reserve. Um, that rate in [1:57:56] 2025 was 0.1401. The ceiling [1:58:02] for the debt service levy is at [1:58:04] 0.1221. I am recommending [1:58:08] dropping that to 0.1100. I [1:58:12] believe we have sufficient [1:58:13] reserves that will help drop [1:58:15] the reserves just a little bit, [1:58:16] to make sure that we're not [1:58:17] holding on to too many of [1:58:19] those. And if you have any [1:58:21] questions for me, I am happy to [1:58:22] answer them. [1:58:23] Questions for Vicky. Mr. [1:58:25] Lincoln. [1:58:25] Thank you. Mayor, did you just [1:58:27] say you're going to drop tax [1:58:28] payer tax rates by 20% in one [1:58:31] category? [1:58:33] I did.. [1:58:34] Great news. Yep. Fully [1:58:36] supported. [1:58:37] Thank you. [1:58:38] Anybody else? Thank you for [1:58:41] your step aside. This public [1:58:43] hearing, Mr. Danoff. [1:58:55] Thank you very much. Members of [1:58:56] council, this is on the [1:58:59] proposed 2026 personal real [1:59:02] estate Tax Levies Bill 7885. [1:59:06] Um, the proposed general and [1:59:08] debt service funds are a [1:59:11] combination of 0.3915 on every [1:59:14] $100. The valuation and how you [1:59:18] do that is it's 18% for [1:59:19] residential, 32% for commercial [1:59:22] and 11% for agricultural. The [1:59:24] state statute and state auditor [1:59:26] require the pro forma, um, 8 to [1:59:30] 12 pages must be reviewed, [1:59:32] proofed and approved by the [1:59:33] state auditor and their legal [1:59:35] staff is legal, compliant and [1:59:37] not to exceed voter approved [1:59:39] tax ceilings. I asked the [1:59:41] Director of Finance and the [1:59:42] City Council to be transparent [1:59:44] in the next go around with 2027 [1:59:47] and make sure that that's those [1:59:49] proforma forms are published in [1:59:51] the City Council packet to be [1:59:53] transparent to all taxpayers. [1:59:55] Um, where the new construction [1:59:57] figures. I didn't see that in [1:59:59] the memo by the Director of [2:00:00] finance. I think that those are [2:00:02] a tax increase to our city, and [2:00:05] those go into immediate [2:00:06] occupation. After 30 days of [2:00:08] occupying, whether it's [2:00:09] residential or commercial, we [2:00:12] live off of sales taxes. That's [2:00:15] predominantly the most that [2:00:16] comes into our conferences [2:00:17] sales taxes. And we need to [2:00:19] back off and annually work [2:00:21] towards lowering our tax levy [2:00:24] responsibility on the backs of [2:00:26] taxpayers. For those reasons, I [2:00:29] am asking the City Council that [2:00:31] you look at phasing out the [2:00:33] personal property tax in its [2:00:34] entirety, just as Saint Charles [2:00:36] County did for this year. Um, [2:00:39] no one in Saint Charles County [2:00:40] for the General fund or the [2:00:42] Alarm and dispatch Fund, or the [2:00:44] road fund will be paying [2:00:45] personal property tax at the [2:00:47] county level. And I ask that we [2:00:48] look at doing the same in [2:00:50] workshop sessions. I propose [2:00:53] that the two tax levies be set [2:00:54] as following the general fund [2:00:57] to be set at 0.2800, and the [2:01:03] debt service fund at 0.1100, [2:01:07] for a combined rate of 0.3900 [2:01:11] on 100 valuation. You know, [2:01:13] we're all taxpayers. No one [2:01:15] wants to pay taxes. But I [2:01:16] believe the taxpayers deserve a [2:01:18] break. I think we need to. [2:01:20] We've set we've set record [2:01:22] setting sales tax income for [2:01:25] last 16 years. Um, year after [2:01:27] year, historic income to our [2:01:29] city. And we need to start [2:01:31] backing off of our personal [2:01:32] property and our real estate [2:01:34] taxes. And so I hope that you [2:01:36] adopt my recommendation over [2:01:37] the recommendation of the [2:01:38] finance director. I believe [2:01:40] taxpayers deserve to have that [2:01:41] slight, small break. Thank you, [2:01:43] Mr. Mayor. [2:01:44] Thank you. We have no other [2:01:47] speakers, so we'll go ahead and [2:01:49] close the public hearing. Any [2:01:50] other questions for Vicki? [2:01:53] Seeing none brings to Bill 7885 [2:01:56] motion for first reading. [2:01:58] Kelly. [2:01:59] Who was that link and. Motion [2:02:04] by Councilman Lake, second by [2:02:06] Councilmember Lake. Please [2:02:08] present the bill. [2:02:09] 7885, an ordinance [2:02:13] providing for the levying of a [2:02:14] property tax for the city of [2:02:16] O'Fallon, Missouri for the year [2:02:18] 2026. For the purposes of [2:02:20] general revenue and debt [2:02:22] service. [2:02:22] Thank you. Brings Bill 7886 [2:02:25] motion first reading. [2:02:26] Osceola. [2:02:27] Mr. Costello, second link [2:02:29] second by Councilman Lane. [2:02:30] Councilman Costello, please [2:02:31] present the bill. [2:02:32] Thank you. Mayor Bill, number [2:02:33] 7886. An ordinance providing [2:02:36] for the approval and acceptance [2:02:37] of the dedication of streets in [2:02:39] certain storm sewers for [2:02:40] maintenance by the City of [2:02:41] Fallon, for the villages of [2:02:42] post farms. Plat three. [2:02:44] Thank you. Brings Bill 7887. [2:02:47] Motion first reading. [2:02:48] Wilcox. [2:02:49] Councilman Wilcox, second. [2:02:50] Wexler. [2:02:51] Second Councilman Wexler. [2:02:52] Councilman Wilcox, please [2:02:53] present the bill. [2:02:55] number 7887. An ordinance [2:02:59] approving a cooperation [2:03:00] reimbursement agreement between [2:03:01] Green Rivers Greenway and the [2:03:03] city of O'Fallon for the city [2:03:04] to be reimbursed. A portion of [2:03:06] the construction costs for the [2:03:08] Great Rivers Greenway. Twin [2:03:09] Island Trailhead project, and [2:03:11] an amount not to exceed [2:03:13] $275,000. [2:03:16] Thank you. Brings Bill 7888 [2:03:18] motion first reading. [2:03:21] Wexler. [2:03:22] Councilman Wexler, second. [2:03:24] Boyer. [2:03:25] Thinking by Councilman Yates. [2:03:26] Councilman Wexler, present the [2:03:27] bill. [2:03:28] number 7888. An ordinance [2:03:31] authorizing the city of [2:03:32] O'Fallon to enter into a [2:03:33] building and code enforcement [2:03:35] services mutual aid agreement [2:03:37] for emergency and disaster [2:03:38] response with Saint Charles [2:03:39] County and area participating [2:03:42] municipalities. [2:03:42] Thank you. Brings Bill 7889. [2:03:45] Most First Reading. [2:03:46] Spencer. [2:03:47] That's why Councilwoman Spencer [2:03:48] second. [2:03:49] Taylor. [2:03:49] Councilman Taylor, Councilwoman [2:03:51] Spencer, please present the [2:03:52] bill. [2:03:53] number 7889, an ordinance [2:03:56] amending section 110.200 of the [2:04:01] O'Fallon City Code relating to [2:04:03] City Council meetings. [2:04:04] Thank you. Brings Bill 7890 [2:04:07] first reading. Cook. Mr. [2:04:08] Councilwoman Cook, second. [2:04:09] Wexler. [2:04:10] Thank Councilman Wexler. [2:04:11] Councilwoman cook, please [2:04:12] present the bill. [2:04:14] Thank you. Mayor Bill, number [2:04:16] 7890. An ordinance approving [2:04:17] the record plant of O'Fallon [2:04:19] Sports Center and authorizing [2:04:20] the city clerk to attest and [2:04:21] certify approval of said plat. [2:04:23] Thank you. Motion for second [2:04:24] reading by title only. Cook. [2:04:26] Councilwoman cook, second. [2:04:27] Wexler. [2:04:29] Councilman Wexler. All in [2:04:31] favor? Aye. Any opposed? Mr. [2:04:33] O'Keefe? [2:04:34] Bill. Number 7890. Second [2:04:36] reading and consideration for [2:04:37] adoption. An ordinance [2:04:39] approving the record plat of [2:04:40] O'Fallon Sports Center and [2:04:41] authorizing the City clerk to [2:04:43] attest and certify certify [2:04:45] approval of said plat. [2:04:46] Most final passage. Cook. [2:04:48] Motion for Councilman Cook, [2:04:49] second. We'll give it to Mr. [2:04:51] Palmer this time. Questions or [2:04:55] comments? Cast your vote. [2:05:02] The voting is closed. [2:05:04] Dan. Yes, 0078 90 passed [2:05:09] becomes ordinance number. [2:05:12] 73397339. Thank you. Bess. [2:05:15] Questions or comments on [2:05:17] resolution 910 2026 D is in [2:05:20] David. Seeing none do a motion [2:05:24] to introduce. [2:05:27] Cook. [2:05:28] Mr.. Councilman Cook, second. [2:05:30] Boyer. [2:05:31] Thank you, Councilmember Boyer. [2:05:32] All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Mr. [2:05:35] O'Keefe. [2:05:37] Resolution nine 1020 2026 D as [2:05:42] in. A resolution authorizing a [2:05:46] multi-year agreement with Trek [2:05:48] Design Group, LLC providing for [2:05:50] sanitary sewer flow metering [2:05:53] services. [2:05:54] Motion for approval. Cook. [2:05:55] Councilman. Cook. Second Boyer. [2:05:57] Councilman. Boyer. Council [2:05:58] members cast your vote. [2:06:02] The voting is closed ten. [2:06:05] Yes. Zero. No resolution has [2:06:07] been approved. Questions or [2:06:10] comments on resolution E. [2:06:15] Seeing none. Most second to [2:06:16] introduce Kelly McCaskill a [2:06:19] second Wexler. Councilman [2:06:20] Wexler. All in favor? Aye. Any [2:06:22] opposed? Mr. O'Keefe? [2:06:23] Resolution 910 2026EA [2:06:26] resolution authorizing the [2:06:28] purchase of a new honor of new [2:06:30] honor guard uniforms and [2:06:31] accessories in an amount not to [2:06:33] exceed $25,000. [2:06:35] Thank you most for approval. [2:06:37] Cost Kelly.. [2:06:38] Mr. Koskela, second. Second by [2:06:39] Councilman Wexler. Cast your [2:06:41] vote. [2:06:44] The voting is closed. [2:06:47] Ten. Yes, zero. No. Resolution [2:06:49] has been approved. Questions or [2:06:52] comments on resolution F. [2:06:57] Seeing. None. Motion to [2:07:00] introduce cost. Kelly. Was [2:07:01] McCaskill a second? Palmer by [2:07:03] Councilman Palmer. All in favor? [2:07:05] Any opposed? [2:07:07] Mr. O'Keefe. Resolution 910 [2:07:10] 2026FA resolution authorizing [2:07:13] an agreement with Charles E [2:07:14] General Contracting, providing [2:07:16] for chiller repairs the Justice [2:07:18] Center in an amount not to [2:07:19] exceed $23,168. [2:07:24] Motion for approval. [2:07:25] Costs. [2:07:25] Kelly has a second. [2:07:26] Yates. [2:07:28] Seconded by Councilman Yates, [2:07:30] cast your vote. [2:07:34] Voting is closed. [2:07:36] Ten. Yes. Zero. No. Resolution [2:07:38] F has been approved. No further. [2:07:41] Business meeting adjourned at [2:07:43] 903.