1 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:59,600 ification. Well, there is no reference.  Good evening everyone. Go ahead and call   2 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:07,840 the regular planning and zoning commission  meeting for December 3rd, 2025 to order. 3 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,120 Roll call. Kathy Bulan 4 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:23,760 here. Capetta here. D Bernardo here. Hassan  here. Memory here. Wilsack here. Control is   5 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:34,720 not here. We have a quorum. We have a quorum.  First item on the agenda is the approval of the   6 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:41,040 minutes for the planning and zoning commission  meeting on October 1st, 2025. Are there any   7 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,080 uh changes or corrections that are needed?  There's one correction that Kathy is going   8 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:58,320 to add regarding my comment about the 50%  masonry being inappropriate for the village. 9 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:10,320 And uh I'd like to entertain a motion to  modify the minutes as uh requested. Second. 10 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Roll call, please. Okay. 11 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,000 Usually we don't do a roll call for that,  but we can do voice vote. That's fine.   12 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Okay. Voice. All in favor say I. I. I. I.  No opposed. All right. If they'll uh Kathy,   13 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:36,960 if you'll amend the minutes and uh just make the  comment that was asked for. And then we we and   14 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,800 then we would need a motion to approve the minutes  from the October 1st, 2025 planning and zoning   15 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:50,880 commission meeting as modified. Sounds like a good  plan. Let's make uh anybody want to make a motion   16 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:57,440 to I'll make the motion to approve the minutes  as modifi with modifications for that meeting.   17 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:11,840 Second the motion. All in favor? I I any opposed?  Hearing none. Uh the minutes the motion carries. 18 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:19,840 We have no unfinished business. Um so we have one  new business item. It's item 5A and that's for   19 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:28,880 3118 White Oak Lane, the Plat of Consolidation.  Rama, can you give us an overview? Good evening.   20 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:36,960 The owner of the property at 3118 White Oak Lane,  it is requesting for the approval of a final plat   21 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:44,720 consolidate two existing uh lots into one.  And the owner is here to answer any questions. 22 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,360 If I could ask as a petitioner if you'll  just speak into the microphone and state   23 00:04:51,360 --> 00:05:01,600 your name and address. Hello, my name is Tim  Kim. I'm the owner of 3118 in White Oak Lane. 24 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Thank you. Go ahead. 25 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,280 No, I think it's a pretty straightforward  request. The uh house is on lot one.   26 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:25,520 We would like to consolidate the two  lots and build a pool on lot two. 27 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,600 Is there currently um actually I see no member  from the public so there's probably no open it up   28 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:39,520 to the commissioners. Any questions? Mr. Kim, do  do you live in the house? I do. Okay. Thank you. 29 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,000 This really does seem straightforward. It's, you  know, he lives on one, he's going to consolidate   30 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,480 it with his back lot. It's going to eliminate  a flag lot, which we're always more than   31 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:58,480 willing to get rid of. Nobody's, nobody's  complaining. And when I looked at the map,   32 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,240 nobody could complain. There's just there's  nothing that would be upsetting about this.   33 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:14,400 The pool is going to back up to 31st Street. So  this this seems, you know, appropriate to me. 34 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:21,440 Staff, were there any calls  or comments from the None? 35 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Any other commissioners have  anything to say? You know,   36 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:34,640 I I do have one more thing. There was something  in the packet in the staff recommendation.   37 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:47,440 It said somewhere it said something like it  appears to comply. Does that mean I just I   38 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,480 didn't like that sentence. It just made me feel  like maybe yes, maybe no. Is there anything in   39 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:58,320 here? I'm trying to find where it was. Is  there anything in here? It's on page six.   40 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,200 Yeah. The proposal appears to comply with the  subdivision and zoning ordinance regulations.   41 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Is there anything in here that  appears not to comply? No. Okay. 42 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:16,240 That was the only thing that  really caught my attention. 43 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Were there any comments from the  subdivision itself? Did they have any   44 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:29,600 uh comment about it? Um, not that I can recall. 45 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,760 If if anybody wants to make a motion and second  it. I'll make a motion to I don't like reading   46 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:43,680 this thing, but I will make a motion to  approve the consolidation plat. I'll sec   47 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:50,640 second the motion. Do we want to add according  to the final engineering review and approval and   48 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:57,680 uh recording of the document by  village ar please? what Ken said. 49 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Eat Roco. D Bernardo. Nimry, yes. Capetta,  yes. Bulan, yes. Hassan, yes. Wilsack,   50 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:16,240 yes. The motion carries. Uh would you advise  the U petitioner of what the next step is?   51 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:22,000 This will be going to the next uh board  meeting on January 13th for approval. 52 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:38,560 Great. Thank you so much. You're welcome.  Thank you. Good luck with the pool. [Applause] 53 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:42,640 Uh Kathy Ramo, is there anything  upcoming for the future meeting?   54 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:49,440 Uh I also wanted to update you regarding  the um the 714 enterprise which uh came   55 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,800 to the planning and zoning commission  for the approval of an event space.   56 00:08:52,800 --> 00:09:04,640 So it did go to the board and uh it was  not approved. It was not approved. No. 57 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:10,160 Were they uh going to revisit anything or is  it just uh No, they were just concerned about   58 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,120 the president that it would set. uh because  it's an office buildings area and it's also   59 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:25,280 in an O1 district. So they were concerned about  that and that's why they did not approve. No. 60 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:32,320 And u we have uh one more uh project that's going  to go to the board for a preliminary board review   61 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:40,400 that's uh on the 1900 spring, the northernmost lot  uh where uh it's being presented for a 13-story   62 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:49,840 apartment building. And that will be on December  9th. Is that the former McDonald's property? Um,   63 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:57,840 no. No. 1900. 1900 spring. It was the um  previously approved as the Butler to be   64 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,840 called the Butler. Yes. Butler condominium.  Oh yeah. It was a 22tory condominium building   65 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,920 originally. Correct. Correct. So that's  not happening now. That's not happening.   66 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,960 But we have another proposal for a 13-story  apartment building for an apartment building,   67 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:19,120 not a condo. Um likely to be converted probably.  Okay. Um but yeah. And do you anticipate that in   68 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,880 the January meeting? Um that's in the December  9th. So that's just a preliminary board review   69 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,440 and then they will uh refer it to the planning  and zoning commission. Then it'll have to undergo   70 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:39,840 a plan development process. Thank you, Rama.  Any other upcoming issues? Nope. That's all.   71 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:46,880 If nobody else has anything to say, I can we make  a Can I talk about old business for a second? I'm   72 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:53,760 going to reiterate. Sure. Now I have something  to read that will go maybe verbatim into the   73 00:10:53,760 --> 00:11:00,800 minutes or close thereof. It is important to  consistently bring poor political agendas to   74 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,640 light. The 50% masonry requirement of the  village board insists on being part of the   75 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:13,120 newly adopted zoning ordinance is an overstep  of aesthetic control that has no place in local   76 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,720 government. Oakbrook residential neighborhoods  and the community as a whole have always been   77 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,080 at the forefront of tasteful development and  architecture. It is unreasonable to dictate   78 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:30,720 a limited architectural style when so many good  American architectural styles exist without the   79 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,280 use of masonry. Please remove this atrocious  constraint on creativity from our progressive   80 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:47,600 yet conservative community. Thank you. Is  that better? Anybody else have any comments? 81 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:56,160 I would say one thing. Um, some subdivisions go  far and uh above what the village requires. I   82 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,040 mean, in my particular subdivision, they  dictate what kind of garage door you can   83 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,080 have. They dictate uh what kind of roof you  can have. It's it's either got to be slate,   84 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:13,040 tile, or cedar shake. So, in that light, I just  want to bring up some of these in some of these   85 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,680 subdivisions. It isn't the village, it's the  individual subdivisions, architectural com   86 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:21,920 committee, not what uh Jeff was speaking to,  but I just wanted to mention that that some   87 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:28,160 of these subdivisions even go far and beyond  what the village does, but that's an HOA issue,   88 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:34,880 which is not a government body. I'm speaking about  a government body, and it's inappropriate for a   89 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,400 government body to have that much aesthetic  control. It didn't work in Oakbrook Mall.   90 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,520 It hasn't worked elsewhere. When Oakbrook Mall  was created, if they had had these constraints,   91 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:53,280 who knows what we would have ended up with. And in  turn, it's one of the best malls in the country. 92 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,120 There's a lot of architects and designers  that have spoke out against this requirement,   93 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:07,680 and there's statistics to show that this is a  bad requirement based on architectural styles.   94 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:18,160 You can have some pretty atrocious  looking things that are all masonry. 95 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,400 If there are no additional comments, uh, I'd  entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting.   96 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:28,240 So moved. Second the meet. Second motion.  A motion has been made and seconded uh to   97 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:37,040 adjourn the meeting. May I have a voice vote? All  in favor? I. Any oppose? Happy holidays. Day one.