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Bidd
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» August Marorrow
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» David Hogan
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» Doug Gibson
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» Terry Mason
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» Tim Morton
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» Jeff Bracy
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» Mike Arman is absent.
>> Okay. Um

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the minutes
you were trying on the meeting.

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Anybody have a problem with the minutes
besides the dates?

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» Nope.
Okay. Um, any other complaints

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decisions?
Okay. Um,

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what did we do with agricultural
MA M3 or whatever is listed under? Did

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we talk about bringing in the county A1,
A2, and A3?

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» You talking to me?
>> Well, I'm just talking to What's up with

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that? Well, it's under agriculture
and we're real limited in agriculture.

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When the law was built, and I argued
this with the state, they wanted us to

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have 10 acres of property to put any
dwelling on it back in the day. And we

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got it down. It was supposed to be five
acres

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and and it's been misinterpreted since
the 90s

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that you had to have five acres to
apparently to subdivide. You need it was

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never meant that you couldn't put a
house on five acres. It was meant you

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could put a house on, but you the law
also reads you have to have 5 acres to

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subdivide into 1 acre lots.
And I was just wondering if you all just

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had talked about that or run across that
in this book.

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» I thought we did talk about it, but
>> I don't see nothing in my notes. I don't

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remember.
>> No.

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» So, Oakill only has one agriculture
zoning and we need to have more than

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that.
>> Well, is that going to come up in the

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future in these or not?
>> No, I think we're about at the end of

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it.
>> Why should we have more than one axis?

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Because lot size.
>> You can have oneacre lots. Yeah.

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» That we can't hear.
>> I know.

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» Not Well,
>> why would um Okay, let's say you got a 5

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acre lot and get subdivided among two or
three kids.

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» Family members.
>> I'm sorry. Family members.

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» Family members.
>> Why would the zoning have to change?

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» No,
>> because because a wants five acres.

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» Well, I'm saying here in Oill, we only
have one egg. I know, right? But why

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can't we have a one, two, three, four,
and five? But the county does. We only

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have one.
>> Or keep it simple.

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» Yeah. But so like if you have four
acres, Yeah.

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» can't be agriculture.

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» Then we need to rephrase what egg should
be should be 5 acres unless subdivided

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among family members in which case you
can only act.

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» But the minimum you want to keep five.
Is that the

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» the discussion is the minimum to keep it
five acres in and bring the the acreage

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size down?
>> I would make the exception.

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» Here here's the here's the thing, Mike.
You got residential in this town,

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» right?
>> That's got double wides and single wides

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on less than acre.
>> Yes.

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» In residential.
>> So to get the playing field a little bit

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more flexible, we need to adjust this
talk about it.

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» You follow where I'm going?
>> Yeah, I I see. Okay.

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» So, do you want to take
a less than 5 acre plot because it was

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sub by family and automatically make it
our own?

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» No. No. But what if we So, for instance,
I bought my property here. Yeah.

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» And I had it brought into the city with
the understanding it's going to be

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agriculture,
>> right?

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» It's not big enough in Oakill.
>> Okay.

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» But it was allowed to come to Oakill for
that purpose. So, I might as well just

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go back to the county with it.
>> No, you can't.

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» The county back in the day in 1987,
about no, excuse me, 1985, Clay Anderson

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introduced a law in the county council,
you had to have 10 acres of property to

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put a mobile home on, which is totally
ridiculous.

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» Yeah, that's quite
>> West of the railroad tracks. Follow me.

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We're putting and I'm not picking on
anybody but Lyles Cove or Indian Arbor

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states it's a 50 lot foot lot 60 foot in
Lyles Cove. So where I'm trying to go

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with this to you get compromised here.
We need to work on this whole situation

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» at it's in chapter one.
>> Which page you have? Policy 1129.

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Why? Why would you not call it action?

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usually called it a slash test for sub.
>> What What was the guy's name the

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before Pete? What was the guy's name? I
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» um
>> Mike McGrath.

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» No, Mike McGrath
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the wrong guy.
>> Dennis Fisher.

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» Dennis. Okay.
>> So, when I did mine, cuz I was I had two

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partials I combined and I had an annex,
>> right? When I did mine, I told him, I

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said, like my 10, 15, 20 year plan was I
got five kids. Each each kid a piece and

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then reszone.
>> Sure.

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» He said, "You don't have to reszone. You
just call it gift to children and then

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however you lay the lot out, you laid a
lot out."

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» Maybe you would just want to call it a
one/G for gift or something like that.

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» It's already in the book. It's
>> already in the book. You can give a you

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you can give a family member a a family
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» right,
>> a acre to live on?

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» I'm missing something here. Why do we
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redefine it?
>> Well, the reason I'm asking is because I

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want to make mine agriculture.
>> Okay. It's not big enough.

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» And another thing that always comes up
is a is a pissard

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» is you have to have 5 acres to put a
mobile home on. Yes. It shouldn't have

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never been that way.
>> Well, we can change that. That's where

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we're
>> Well, okay. That's what I'm discussing.

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» Mhm.
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» All right.
>> If you have five acres and it's zoned

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agriculture and an acre was given away
to a family member, are you not zoned

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agriculture anymore? Is that what it's
saying? Or

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» not when I talk to
>> I can't say that.

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» No. Why would he change? Well, I was
just wondering because my property kind

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of is like that because
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less than five acres, it can't be egg.
And evidently, it can

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» because I it was 5 acres, but it was my
grandparents home and then they gave an

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acre to family members. So, now it's 4
acres, but I have horses and pigs and

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everything. And and we come down to the
simpleness in 1997 that people wanted to

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have fair burn animals, horses, rabbits,
dogs, cats, and it's in the residential.

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It's even the ordinance we we have.
Okay. I mean, it got down to we're

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talking how many cats per acre or how
many dogs or horses. I mean, it's a

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little complicated if you get to reading
it.

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» So,
>> if we're doing it in a residential,

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» I see where you're going.
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» Yeah. Not saying that we're going to
have a whole zoo coming there,

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» right? But we have to define that
because let's say we get a gifted acre

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and somebody says, "Hey, I got an acre
egg. I want 25 horses."

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» No. No. No. There are stipulations in
there. It

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» states you have to have x amount of
square footage per animal.

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» Yes.
>> Okay.

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» To me, this would be egg one.
>> 5 acres.

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» No, 10 acres. can be subdivided.

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» Add one is 10 acres.
>> Yeah.

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» Well, what we don't want to do is if a
person has 4.9 t or 4.810

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of an acre.
>> We want to be able to let him put a

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mobile home because he does. See, it's
in there right now where you have to

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have 5 acres and it was never supposed
to be being meant to be that How can we

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build in flexibility without going
through variance procedure?

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» Because what how many acres are you on?
>> I have four.

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» Four. Okay. Could he get a variance?
Maybe.

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» Yeah. But there that's the thing is if
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» So if you had 4.9 the answer is yes. You
get a variance.

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» You should be.
>> You should be able to,

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» right?
>> Okay. How about 4.7?

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» Well, how about 4.0?
>> See what I'm saying? Where do you

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» That's what I'm saying. But what's the
difference? What's the difference if

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you're going to put it on four acres or
put it on one acre?

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» That's what I'm saying. If you go by the
classification of the county,

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» then there's no
>> we shouldn't go by classification county

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because we're not the county.
>> But we do a lot of the stuff as the

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county does.
>> So then why why would you want to have

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to come fight for a variance and then
I'm at the mercy of the the commission.

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» What what I'm trying what I'm trying to
do is how can we do this without a

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variance?
>> You change the law right now

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» and change it to three or four acres.
Anybody with three acres or more

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» like agriculture?
>> So like a A1 is 10 acres, minimum square

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footage house 750,
>> right?

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» A2 is 5 acres, minimum 750 house. A3 is
1 acre, minimum 1,000T house.

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» Under policy 112,
not more than one residential unit per 5

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acres. A
>> D, right? And we have some with two that

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are five.
>> Mhm.

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So you have if it you're going to have
to have egg one, egg two, egg three,

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» right?
>> Then let's define it

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» and define what what those are.
>> Mhm.

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» And what the stipulations are and the
restrictions

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between the three.
Well, you go by setbacks, property

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setbacks.
>> A one is what we have now.

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» Yes.
>> A two is subdivided to heirs. But yeah,

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but yeah, but even if you if you just
bought five acres, I'm not you're not

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subdividing,
>> right?

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» And egg three is for stuff that like
yours doesn't otherwise fit, but

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everything else is fine,
>> right?

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» Because that's mine. Mine's 4 point
something because it was five and my

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aunt gave before I inherited property.
And but I've always I was always told I

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was grandfathered in because I've always
had cows. And

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» I remember the trader the same thing. He
he had 9.7 acres and they said, "You got

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to have 10." He says, "I don't have 10."
And they said, "Why don't you get your

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neighbor to give you 3/10 of an acre?"
>> That has been done.

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» I know,
>> believe it or not, in this town back in

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1987,
888, 89, somewhere around there where

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they deeded over two, three acres to the
other parcel.

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» Yeah. But that's not going to h You
can't count on that.

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» No, you can't count on that. And I don't
want to see it as a stipulation. I I

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personally don't like the idea where you
can give I I like the idea if you give

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an acre to each sibling or father, aunt,
uncle, and all that.

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» But when when they stipulated where you
got to have 5 acres to put a home on,

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that's a little ridiculous.
>> You follow me? And it was never it was

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never supposed to be that in the the
first place.

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» But we inherited that from the county.
>> Yeah.

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» And that's why it doesn't make any
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Excuse me. No,

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no, no, no. That law, they wanted us,
the state wanted us to have 10 acres.

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» Okay,
>> I lived it.

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» All right,
>> believe me, I almost beat the copying

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machine up
>> because that guy, we got into it and I

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told him, I said, "We got plenty of
acres of agricultural down here in

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Nokill. These people can't afford to buy
10 acres to put anything on

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» a mobile home,
>> right?

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So it got stuck at five and you know you
try to cover all the bases and we didn't

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and it got stuck at five. You got to It
was never meant to be. You had to have

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perfectly five acres to put a structure
on it.

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» You want to reduce three?
>> No, I want to What's the difference of

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Yeah,
>> we can reduce it and talk about it. You

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know, I personally I want all my five
acres. I don't want ners.

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» Yeah, I know. But why should he not have
any rights to the agriculture because

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he's got
>> he should have the right.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» And just like anybody else.
>> So let's change minimum required acreage

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in act to three and solve it right
there.

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» Okay.
>> Well, what do you think about sub?

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» Same thing. How many?
>> So if you got three, you can

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» you can have three houses on
>> they'll have to fight that out amongst

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themselves.
>> That's three acres. An acre per house.

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» Yeah. It has to be an acre.
>> You can only subdivide down to a minimum

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of one acre. You cannot give away
>> a half acre or quarter acre

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» acre corner of the property or you get a
variance.

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» So, so we're saying act A1 or a which is
at this point our only egg

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classification minimum of three acres
can be subdivided down a minimum of one.

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» Right. And I want the thing that says in
five acres you have to have five to put

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a mobile home on or or or a modular
>> to be red no to be eliminated.

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» Okay.
>> Period.

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» Where is that at in here?
>> It is. It's in chapter one.

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» Will this get kicked out when it goes to
the county for the state for review?

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» No.
>> No.

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» No.
>> I mean, if they're going to kick it out,

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they'd kick out every every lot size and
let us go with the 60 foot.

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» Why? And The one that was going to be
built north of you was what? 50 foot

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lots.
>> Yeah.

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» You follow what I'm saying?
>> Is that deal still going through or has

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that been killed? But
>> I hear it's dead.

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» Which deal is this?
>> The last deal.

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» This
>> I hear it's dead. It's not going to

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happen. would. So,
>> you know, it's rumored

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» when we talked about
>> something different.

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» Lot sizes for like
>> RPUDs. We went to halfacre minimum.

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» Here we're saying we want a 1 acre
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» for just for personal property, not
RPDs.

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» Okay.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. Okay. Two separate things.
>> What What section are we looking at then

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we're going to change? Uh 112A

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residential for 3 acres.

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» Yeah, we've already got the part about
less can't be less than one.

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» I would go A1 here or A4.
>> Yeah, A4 is 2 and 12 acre minimum.

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What what I'm trying to avoid is I'm
looking at Edgewater. They have 500

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classifications
>> per right,

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» you know, depends on what's on it,
depends on how big it is, what shape it

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is, what color the foliage is. You don't
need to do that.

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» I don't want it to be subdivided. I just
want it to be with if somebody buys or

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they want to be able to have agriculture
exemption.

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I'm comfortable with a single egg
category of minimum three subdivide not

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less than one.
>> Okay.

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» So we got a what are we adding? We're
adding how many classifications?

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» Just have a two.
>> What? Not adding any. We're just red.

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» Changing it at three.
>> Redefining the end.

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» Okay. That's all.
>> All right.

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» It's uh 1.1.2 Item two, item A, not more
than one residential unit for 3 acres

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instead of five.

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So what you're saying is we got to have
three acres to put one on.

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» Say again,
>> we're reducing it from five to three.

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» Yes. So what we're saying is you got
five acres to put or three acres to put

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the one home on.
>> Yes. In act

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» in act.
>> And then further down it says individual

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may convey the propert.
>> Yep.

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» Say
>> yeah the last point says in no case it

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can be less than a neighbor.
>> Right.

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» So it's there we have to change.
>> Okay.

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» All right.
>> Chapter nine. Okay, chapter nine.

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» Mhm.
>> Thank you people.

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Everybody got chapter nine.
>> Chapter eight.

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» Chapter eight.

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» Chapter eight. Here we go.

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» There was one other thing in that
section. I can't find it now.

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» I'm trying to keep things simple.
>> Yeah, I know. But it was something that

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kind of when it was brought up, I didn't
say nothing. I should have says if

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you're within 200 ft, like say a new
subdivision comes in, they put in water

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sewer reclaim,
>> you have to hook up with you're within

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200. We
>> still have that.

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» We're keeping that in there.
>> Okay.

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» Why are we keeping that in there?
>> Because the state tells us we have to.

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» If you're Okay. If you're east US1, you
got to you got to hook up if when it

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becomes available.
>> That's just a sewer, isn't it?

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» Yeah.
You don't have to do the water west of

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you. West the water.
>> Can you show me that, right?

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» The state says because I disagree with
that.

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» We did that.
>> No. No. I know we argued that point. I

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don't like the idea of government
telling me what I can and do.

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» I don't either. Believe me.
>> And that's a pet peeve of mine.

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» Okay. But we did it because they told us
we had to. We didn't do it because we

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thought because
>> Well, if you're on the west side

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» Yeah. the west side they don't care,
right? But still, it doesn't it doesn't

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define in here east or west. It just
says 200 foot.

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» No, our our ordinance said east of US1.
>> Give me a second. I'll find it.

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» What did it say? 200 ft.
>> 200 ft.

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» Anywhere
>> cuz I got news for you.

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» Yeah.
>> They don't own Brook Circle.

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» I know.
>> Okay.

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You you remember our um from the water
department and the discussion about you

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could you deliberately sit me next to
that little ball so and so

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being me.
>> I'll tell you the story later.

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» Terry, where you at?
>> I I'll come back to it. I don't see it

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in front of me.
>> Yeah, I'll bring it up.

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Thanks for going back to one.

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» I wanted I want to do one thing. Um not
necessarily now, but tonight uh we've

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been talking about a commercial mixeduse
zoning overlay,

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which will allow stores on the bottom
and residences on the top up and down

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both sides of US1. I've had draft, so
I'd like to I'd like to touch on that

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tonight before we go home.
Why do you have to touch on it?

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» The height limit is 35 ft.
>> Well, it could be changed for mixed use,

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commercial mixed use to 40 45.
>> No.

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» Well, the the the problem with it is you
can have store and the the ordinance

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somebody's ordinance says the store's
got to be have ceiling and that doesn't

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leave you any room for the apartment.
>> That ordinance.

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» Yeah. has been in this town
long ago. I know.

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» And they don't we that's why we don't
have highrises on the river.

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» If you did residential on top, you don't
have to be more than 30 ft.

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» If we change that height limit.
>> Yeah.

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» If we change that height limit,
>> I don't think you've been looking out

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your windows looking at
>> sevenstory condos. And basically that

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would tell me that we have stores on the
bottom and one story on top for either

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professional offices or residences cuz
this is just a draft. Will you change

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anything on?
>> You know, I'm beginning to love

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commercial buildings. I'm really liking
commercial buildings and that Oakill

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Station keeps building and I hear Steel
Masters is thinking about doing the same

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thing of building out their site
>> out front.

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» Out front. Yes.
>> To commercial buildings. And you know

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what? At once upon a time on US1, this
place was loaded with

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» commercial.
>> Commercial.

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» Commercial.
>> Yeah.

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» Then we'll look at this after.
>> Okay. All right.

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» All right, folks. Let's get cranking on
this Mr. Eight here.

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» Second paragraph. It just ends.
>> Yeah.

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» Construction of the blank.
>> What page, John? First one

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» 8-3

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» 8-3
>> y from

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» the last sentence
>> last sentence second paragraph

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» he happened to run out sentence
>> you the main favor of the city as well

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as the future construction of the blank

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» what's our future construction that
they're talking about

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» Taj Mahal
>> Taj M I like

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Okay.

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» So, just have John or somebody or Megan
take a look at that.

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» Why don't we just
>> put a question mark?

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» Tasha, would you be so kind to give that
to the city manager

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and ask him to look at that for us,
>> get his thoughts?

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» This is this is a perfect example of cut
and paste because I ran into the same

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thing in development.
um

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two something or other
developer must provide

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110% developer must produce 110%
construction bond or contract or

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otherwise provide
what

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» all right folks

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» moving on Y

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um annexations.
>> Yeah,

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» Christian law tells me we can do
non-ontiguous annexations.

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» Yeah, that's what he said.
>> Wait a minute.

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» Wait a minute.
>> As long as it's in our service area.

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They illegally done that in 1997. Ken
Hooper brought the annexation from

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Edgewater finish line racing which now
is wheelway to area road and annex the

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federal US highway one which is totally
illegal.

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» I know. Well, we're talking I'm talking
about this in this particular instance.

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I'm talking about a guy who has a lot
two lots to the west of me and wants to

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be in the city and it doesn't touch the
city anywhere.

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However, he is south of Ariel Road which
is part of our interlocal service

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boundary is north of area Edgewater but
south is ours. Uh and I asked Christian

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at the commission meeting, can we do not
continue with annexations?

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He said yes.
>> Tasha, tomorrow write a note to the

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manager. Um, and we remind our council
that we need to get on the wa wagon on

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this area road. We need to get that
interlocal agreement going to Beacon

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Light from Beacon Light to Maytown
before we're going to lose out.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» I think that work
>> and I'm tired of barking about it. So,

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we need some action.
>> Agreed.

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» I just want them to draw a line straight
y

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» aerial road all the way to
>> 95.

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» Yeah. Because edgewater wants to come.
>> You're exactly right.

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» Come cow.
>> I agree with you.

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» And their flooding process up there is
going to unless they dig them.

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» It's going to come our way.
>> It's going to come our way.

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» Can come this way.
>> We're already taking that area.

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» We're already getting our butts kicked
right at Anchor Hardware going down

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through there big time.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Um Okay,

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moving on. Okay. So, there's a question
about um non-ontiguous annexations.

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How do we do it?
>> Well, then they pass the thing.

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» It's got to be volunteer.
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. We have the form.

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I guess the only if Christian says yes,
we can do it and we have the form. I

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guess the only real question is how much
does it cost and who are we advertising

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with determines that?

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because we were doing them for a while
and then and then Scott Simpson says,

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"No, you advertise in the news journal."
And the the price of the legal ads in

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the news journal were so so high that
everybody looked at this and said, "I

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don't want to do this anymore." Even
though the county and all the

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municipalities are in the beacon for a
tenth price.

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» Yep.
>> And that's why we were able to do free

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annexations because we weren't get eaten
alive by the legal fees.

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» Is he to the north of you or the west of
you?

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» He's to the west.
>> West. He's just west of Shreder.

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» I that's up to the city council today
for them to the other team.

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» City manager.
>> City manager. Another thing Tasha bring

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that up to John tomorrow.
>> I'll come if you want.

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» No. No. Just
>> just let him get get on that.

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» Moving on.
David, you see anything? Earth Saturday

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have anything on this?
>> No. Kathy,

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Auggie, no. Terry, Tim.
Okay. What page we going to?

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» Wait, go to 174. There. The city will
maintain a 10-year water supply fill.

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» 174.
>> Yeah, it's on.

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» Do we maintain a 10-year water supply
facilities work plan?

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What the heck is that?
>> I don't know. That's my my pressure.

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» Every five years within 18 months.
>> Doug.

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» Yeah.

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» I think St. John's War Management has
the 10-year plan.

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» Okay.
>> And I I believe

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» we just have to go along with it.
>> Yes.

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» Yes. That's what I thought this whole
time. city just basically rides the

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» wave with St. John's.
>> If you read it, it says facilitated by

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the city.
>> Yeah, this whole chapter kind of

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176. We don't have disaster plan.

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I thought the council was talking about
that because the hurricane season were

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coming back.
>> They did. They did the year before and

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the year before and the year before.
>> So, what's our where's our evacuation

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route?
>> May Town Road.

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» Mtown Road.

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Really?
>> Besides the Baytown Road or north of US1

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to 95?
>> Yep.

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» That's it. You've got nothing else,
>> right?

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» Nothing else, don't you?
>> Well,

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you heard if you listen to Monday, you
heard that they're talking about putting

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interchange in. Yeah.
>> Wait a minute.

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» 30 or 35, right?
>> Yeah. 2030.

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» Yeah.
>> 2030.

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» Bucks.
>> 18 years. I sat down here and they told

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us they're going to open it up in 2025.
it was going to be cooking by that and

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» I had heard that
>> um

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» during corporation postponed it. They're
paying for everything,

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» right?
>> State's not paying for nothing.

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» That's even better.
>> Right.

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» Taxpayers ain't going to have a dime in
that interchange. So, it's up to Daring.

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If they don't want to put it in until
2030,

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» they're not going to be building
anything down here. They're going to be

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building it. Well, we need to have
>> Daring Park

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» from New Sura all the way south to 58
>> Dear Park.

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» When did Let me ask you, when did they
change the name from Stucky Way?

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» No, no,
>> I know.

428
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:58,159
» I just seen that the other day.
>> Yeah, it's been a couple of years.

429
00:29:54,399 --> 00:30:01,039
» Uh last year. Early early last year. I
want to say it was April.

430
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,960
» Which one?
>> Well, we called it 5A. We called it

431
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Stucky W.
>> Stuck. Y

432
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,039
» it's changed to
>> Jerry Parkway.

433
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,480
» Yep.
>> That city

434
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,279
» it sounds better.
>> That's why they did it.

435
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:25,039
» Mhm. They also down there
>> East West Road on the north side of my

436
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:29,039
house is named Pitbull Road.
>> Okay. I I just was wondering if anybody

437
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,600
» Well, that's appropriate.
>> Um

438
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,200
» they have a when you go on St. John's
website and read about permits and who's

439
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:40,320
pending and whose permits are being
used. They have a 100redyear permit for

440
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:44,320
that area. It doesn't expire for 100
years.

441
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:46,960
» You know how much land we're talking?
>> You're talking city after city after

442
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:51,600
city.
>> I've been out there. I had to tour.

443
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,000
» It's huge.
>> And wait a minute. Just think about it.

444
00:30:53,360 --> 00:31:02,159
I read an article that said when that
land was purchased, they paid 25 cents

445
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:06,480
an acre. That was 100 years ago.
>> I don't care where how old it was. That

446
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,520
was still a ton of money back then.
>> Yeah. Listen, I have an abstract for a

447
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,440
house I owned in Northern Beach. You
know what the first line is? My right of

448
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:15,760
conquest from the king of Spain.
>> There you go.

449
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,279
» And nobody even bothered to record it
for 75 years because whole area wasn't

450
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:22,080
worth anything.
>> Does that include Atlantic estates?

451
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:24,480
» Yes,
>> I think so.

452
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,799
» Cape
so swallow.

453
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,120
» Yeah.
>> Miami Corp.

454
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,919
» All the same.
>> Yep. All the same people.

455
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:37,799
» They just keep they just keep changing
the name. That's all they're doing.

456
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,799
» Well, these guys have money.

457
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,279
» It's eighth generation company. You may
have heard of them. Uh International

458
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,200
Harvester.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay.

459
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:51,039
» Moving on.
>> Okay.

460
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:56,480
We were talking about emergency response
plan. Um

461
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:02,720
I've got I'm part of the emergency
response team. I have a little thing.

462
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:07,279
Um, Bill Lindlau was on it. I don't know
if he's going to do it. And I think Joe

463
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Kadagano's on it, but as far as the
equipment is concerned, I have a cell

464
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:16,720
phone charger that I bought from Tangle
for three bucks. Solar cell phone

465
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:22,600
charger. That's it. We have no radios.
We got no supplies. We have no tarp

466
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,600
ones. Nothing.

467
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:29,360
» Don't laugh. It's true. You're
>> Red Cross brought all that stuff.

468
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:34,000
» Yeah. after after the cell phone system
came back up and Jason Davis called me

469
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,760
and said, "Hi, Mike. How are things in
Oakill?" And I said, "Well, sorry you

470
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:43,120
asked."
>> Then things started to happen.

471
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:47,120
» You know, we've been fortunate though.
We've been, believe me, we've been real

472
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:53,120
fortunate
in Oakuck.

473
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:58,559
I'll take it when I can get it. But we
still need to do this.

474
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Um council
>> we with policy 1.7.10

475
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:12,159
as long as the trip party agreement is
in effect. Scratch out trip party.

476
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,279
» Scratch out
>> because it should be an interlocal

477
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:21,679
agreement
between the county and the city.

478
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,080
We need to cut ties with Edgewater.
>> You want to cut city Edgewater out,

479
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,279
right?
>> Yes. Yeah.

480
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:31,760
» Yep. We don't want anything to do with
Edgewater.

481
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:36,640
» I've told them Jeff wanted to be a by.
>> You know how many people literally

482
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,640
about the water?
>> Yeah.

483
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:46,799
» Terramar
del Rio Indian Harbor Estates

484
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:51,600
W I mean, etc. There's Why is it
staining their waters? Why is this

485
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:57,600
happening?
>> They can only clean it as best they can.

486
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:04,240
I would I just, you know, not knowing
exactly their budget, what what they're

487
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:11,919
doing with the My daughter pays over
$200.

488
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:16,800
My old kill Bill is 70.
>> Yeah.

489
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:22,560
» Now, she goes to them and says, "My dad
pays and you're selling water to the

490
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:27,839
county. He gets water from the county.
Why is my bill 200? Actually 260 I think

491
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:30,399
the last time.
>> Geez.

492
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:34,639
» That's Edgewater. Everybody's
>> Yes. Wow.

493
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:41,200
» On Facebook.
>> And they have also have a fee monthly

494
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:45,839
fee
>> packed on to that.

495
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:53,119
I think it starts out a h 100 bucks
flat. $100 that include

496
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:58,160
the minimum is a $25 fee if you don't
use a dime. It's worth it.

497
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,359
» Yeah. Or beach is the same way just to
be connected for water without soup.

498
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:06,240
» You know, it's funny how Port Orange
pulled all their meters out that were

499
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:11,200
defective. Took put brand new ones in
and Edgewater was putting all the ones

500
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:15,200
that they were pulling out, buying them
from the same company into Edgewater.

501
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:21,359
Them folks up there are getting stroked
big time.

502
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:26,480
» Um, yeah.
>> All right, moving on.

503
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:29,880
» We're going to go to nine.
>> Capital improvements.

504
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,720
Has

505
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:54,480
anybody heard what this I know they
passed it, but they're going to put it

506
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:59,040
on the ballot for a referendum of no
property taxes.

507
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440
» They're still figuring out how they
>> Yeah, I think it's

508
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,119
» I think it goes on the ballot.
>> Yeah,

509
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,680
» if it goes on the ballot, this city's in
trouble.

510
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,680
» We're not the only one in trouble. No,
no, but

511
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,320
» they got to do like they do
>> huge.

512
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,000
» They probably figuring it out, but state
of Alabama, you pay like 200 bucks a

513
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,359
year for property tax and the rest is
like it's a 10 cent on the dollar

514
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,200
anything anybody spends,
>> which

515
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:28,400
» like a state tax.
>> It's a it's a it's a state tax.

516
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,480
» Um, works out pretty good.
>> I wouldn't be surprised if the estate

517
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,800
tax.
>> Yeah.

518
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,359
» Well, all the snowbirds coming down
here, you know.

519
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:41,560
» Yeah.
Yeah,

520
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,560
» somebody don't get it.

521
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,760
» I think we should buy the batteries for
the

522
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:54,920
» um moving on folks. Where you want to
go?

523
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,920
» Number seven.

524
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Unless we
>> impact

525
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,000
» impact page.

526
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:10,800
» Well, I recall
Janet Shyra whose answer to everything

527
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,160
including her own ideas was
telling me that you can't charge a fee

528
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,480
unless you provide a service,
>> right? Which parks parks and roads are

529
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:21,200
free.
>> So what services are we providing? What

530
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:25,040
are we paying with the impact fees? And
do they have any relation to the actual

531
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,480
cost of what we're providing?
>> See, I always disagreed with that. You

532
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:32,000
pay for the police department.
>> Sure, we do.

533
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:37,680
» But that's a service and it's in our tax
system.

534
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:41,520
No, we pay additional.
>> We pay double the police.

535
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,880
» Exactly. We pay double.
>> Okay. We

536
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,680
» We're double taxation. You have a county
tax for the police and we have a city

537
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,200
tax for the police.
>> What's the percentage? How does it work

538
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,280
out? 100%
50.

539
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:56,800
» When we got rid of the police
department,

540
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:03,440
» under the state law, the sheriff's
department has to provide.

541
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:09,839
» Yes. But the commission wanted
specialized patrolling. That meant a

542
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:14,400
contract for four deputies.
>> Right.

543
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:19,760
» That's where that come in. We are paying
I've argued that we're paying for a

544
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:24,160
service. Why not an impact fee?
>> Exactly. Exactly.

545
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:28,880
» And I can't get anybody with any
>> because the impact fee is one time.

546
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:36,160
Listen, Ben Johnson and I argued that I
I said you're double taxation taxing us

547
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:41,680
and and this ain't fair. I believe what
Pearson did was the right move.

548
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:46,560
» Well, what in a in a way
>> in a way

549
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:52,880
» you can eliminate the contracts because
they have to provide police. What's the

550
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:57,040
downside of that is being an ex cop? The
downside is

551
00:38:54,720 --> 00:39:01,440
» the amount of time
>> there's a response.

552
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:05,359
» Now, let me put it to you this way. If
you have and find out you've had a

553
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:13,839
breakin,
while that's serious to you,

554
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:15,839
it falls down at the bottom of immediate
>> You know what I'm saying?

555
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,680
» Yeah.
>> Now, if somebody's attempting to shoot

556
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:26,320
you,
>> you're going to get immediate up.

557
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:32,800
But and and that's the downfall of it.
If the if the citizens

558
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:35,359
don't want to pay that almost $700,000 a
year now,

559
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,400
» well,
>> they can no longer validate that

560
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,920
contract. It's that simple.
>> Here, here's the question, though, with

561
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:49,680
the impact fee. The impact fees take one
time where the policing fees go on

562
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,400
indefinitely.
Well, the impact fees are only going to

563
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:54,160
apply to new
>> new developments

564
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,480
» to new new developments.
>> All right.

565
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,359
And that makes sense because as we get
more and more developments, we're going

566
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,800
to need more and more police cover.
>> Rush. Correct.

567
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:09,440
» Okay. I'm good with that.
>> I mean, just the ones you've got

568
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:13,760
approved now. Multiply that say by 2500
or $3,000 back fee. That's going to put

569
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,800
some money in the bank.
>> All right. So, we got 700,000. We're

570
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:24,480
paying for how many resident how many
structures now? 1300,400

571
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,640
» not not population. We're talking about
building

572
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,640
1500.
>> Okay. 1,500. We're going to have another

573
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:39,839
1,500. So the impact fee for policing on
each house should be 11500th

574
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:47,359
of 700 grand.
>> Minimum seven minimum $1,000.

575
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:51,280
» Why? Well, it could be 10,000.
>> You don't chase people away.

576
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:55,280
» You're not going to chase anybody away.
The impact fee that the county charges

577
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:59,200
is $12,000.
I know

578
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:03,520
» I think I paid nine and it went up.
>> But Edgewater has their own impact fee

579
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:08,560
with the county impact fee. There's like
6,500 bucks. So basically we can do it

580
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:12,880
because we are providing the service
lease contract

581
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:17,520
» and each house should pay each new house
>> should pay a proportionate

582
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:20,319
» amount to what we have already. Okay.
>> That wouldn't be an impact fee though,

583
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,280
right? It would just be like a something
on the tax

584
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:27,680
» be an impact fee
every year. Same thing.

585
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:33,720
» To me it would be I' we'd have to get
the lawyer to tell us for sure. To me,

586
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,720
it's an impact fee.

587
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:41,680
» I thought we were talking about existing
brand new buildings in the area. They

588
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:45,359
have to
>> We got parks,

589
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:49,839
» right? Parks and roads.
>> But when it says roads, does that road

590
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,280
have to be directly affected by the
development?

591
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,680
» No.
>> No. So, it can be any road.

592
00:41:52,640 --> 00:42:00,560
» Can be any road. Y can't be US1 because
that's federal can it be

593
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:06,079
» but it should be the roads in the city
meaning you might be able to get circle

594
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:08,720
» did they ever well
>> I'm just dreaming

595
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,880
» I want to widen
>> we got an impact from that school

596
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,359
please
>> not yet lane it

597
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:19,359
» broke it circle
>> crook circle

598
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:20,800
» oh really they're going to forlane it
just

599
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,240
» they're going to strike you down
>> yeah we're going to put duel boost up

600
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:31,599
Go ahead, Auggie.
>> We pay $750 $750,000 a year for the

601
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:37,440
service.
Are we getting the service

602
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:42,640
that we're paying for?
And by that, what I'm trying to get at

603
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:46,480
is you lighthouse call, we've had a
couple trespasses, stuff. We call them

604
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:53,440
police. If they come, they come. Maybe
they come. Maybe they don't, you know.

605
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:57,839
Uh, and I I'm trying to find out what's
the response time for everybody else. I

606
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:03,200
mean, we've never really called for
breakins or anything, but I mean,

607
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:05,920
» but are we getting
>> Well, according

608
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:11,920
» $750,000
worth of service from them.

609
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,880
» They had quite a few things on Monday
night, right? weeks

610
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:19,920
» when the sheriff was here Monday night.
He he had quite a few things that they

611
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,720
did in Oakill
this last month.

612
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,079
» Not enough.
>> I've seen the list that I listened to

613
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:31,520
last year in all time.
>> Oh, I know.

614
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:36,079
» You know, everything looks good on paper
in the district, which is

615
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:39,760
» I thought it was two or two.
>> Two and two.

616
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:45,119
» One or two that are on standby.
>> Yeah.

617
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:51,680
Yeah, I guess what I was getting at is
there a way of the city council

618
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:56,560
reviewing this contract, the $750
a year contract and making sure we're

619
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:02,640
getting what we pay for.
>> If if the commission paid any attention

620
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,680
to it, they could look at that annual
report.

621
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:10,560
Gary's looking because they're paying
>> and and look at the number of

622
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,720
» incences.
>> They break it down speeding tickets.

623
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,720
» We got a lot
>> if they if they look at the number of

624
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:24,000
contacts and the sheriff's department,
by the way, can give you a daily count.

625
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:31,280
» Correct.
>> So, in a 24-hour period,

626
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:36,560
they can show you what the deputies have
done. Now, one of the things that it

627
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:44,160
does not show,
let's say there's a

628
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:49,359
breakin, okay, motorcycle stolen,
that no longer goes to the deputies that

629
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:55,880
are working these roads. That now goes
to a detective

630
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,880
and that's an onseene

631
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,880
investigation.

632
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,359
It's being looked at cuz there's
something in there Carrie brought up.

633
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,280
One of the deputies was on workers comp
or something. Car's like, "Why are we

634
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,319
paying 30 grand for workers comp for
this?" So, it's being looked at.

635
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,640
» Yes, for sure.
>> Car's good at that. See, the thing that

636
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:25,359
that popped into my head as soon as this
no tax property tax,

637
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:29,920
the only saving grace that this city has
if they lose all of that, which I don't

638
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:37,040
think they're going to manipulate it
where you don't lose all of it, I think,

639
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:41,680
but any reduction, where's the money?
What is the most cost that we have?

640
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,599
school
>> and it's the sheriff's department

641
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:51,119
» school tax.
>> So if you don't renew that now Pearson,

642
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,800
Jeff mentioned Pearson. Pearson was
going to terminate their contract

643
00:45:53,119 --> 00:46:00,560
because they knew the sheriff's
department had to provide police

644
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:06,000
protection.
They finally made an agreement that the

645
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:13,520
sheriff's department would provide
deputies for I think two days a week

646
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:17,119
» or three, I can't remember, but I know
it's

647
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,760
» not weekly.
>> So, if you're going to do something in

648
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:24,800
Pearson, do it Monday, Wednesday, and
Friday because the deputies are there

649
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:29,520
Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, right?
>> They they can't they've got a contract.

650
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:35,599
They're only working two or three days a
week. The rest of the time there's

651
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:39,200
coverage, but you just don't have a
deputy right there.

652
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:42,720
» You know, I mean,
>> if they didn't stage here though, where

653
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:47,359
would they be? They'd be out like new
Samra out west somewhere.

654
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:52,800
» Well, well, no, there's 52 zone is
Edgewater area. 53 zone is us

655
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:57,599
» to the county line, right?
>> And west

656
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,599
» to I 95. Gotcha. I think they even go
out on Maytown Road.

657
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,839
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yep.

658
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:13,920
» So, our our 53 deputy is not supposed to
go out on Maytown Road. They can go out

659
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:16,079
to the curve and that's as far as
they're supposed to go.

660
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,119
» That's where their coverage.
>> Do I really think that happens?

661
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:30,079
And then the 52 zone deputy comes and
assists and he's the one if there's

662
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:34,160
anything going on west of of us.
The 52 zone deputy.

663
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,119
» The other thing is if you're getting a
shooting in the county area New Smyrna

664
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,119
Beach, where do you think all those
deputies are going and you've got

665
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,040
nothing?
>> I'm sure Edgewater will be here.

666
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,880
Everybody
>> Everybody, but Edgewater's also jumping

667
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,040
the new Smyrna call,
>> right?

668
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:54,000
» Edgewater helps down here and
everything, but

669
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:55,280
guarantee at the park side whatever a
year.

670
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,839
» I think the answer
>> I think it just slowly goes away.

671
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,040
» I think the answer to are we getting
adequate police protection depends you

672
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,960
ask
>> because I know the guy in the motorcycle

673
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:11,440
shop won't be happy until there's a SWAT
team parked out in front of his place.

674
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:16,160
» The whole thing is response time. I mean
that that's the and like you said I mean

675
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:19,359
it depends on the crime but it still has
to be a response time.

676
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:24,480
» Yeah.
>> That's that judges

677
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:30,160
» I mean I'm retired New York City fire.
We we would judge on response time.

678
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:36,480
» I can tell you that we got excellent
response from our fire department.

679
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:41,839
» Okay.
And

680
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:49,119
Doug will know this because I am out and
about all over. There was times where I

681
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,040
would say, "Where's our deputy?
He isn't in town."

682
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,599
» Right.
>> In fact, one day a girl come all the way

683
00:48:53,680 --> 00:49:00,960
from Orange City because Spectrum tore
down the power lines off in the house,

684
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,960
the Cochran house.
>> Mhm.

685
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,079
» Okay.
She also had to go to Newura Beach to

686
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:14,640
the beach site.
So there was times that we didn't have

687
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:20,319
police protection in this town. They can
they can throw the book and the figures

688
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:24,160
all they want. Eyeballs
vision doesn't lie.

689
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:28,640
» Well, like I said, I I just brought it
up because I mean is it reviewed? Is

690
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:33,280
response on review? If a deputy goes on
vacation and they replace with another

691
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:37,839
deputy. Yeah, they are. I But I
>> supposedly, but I've never seen a

692
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:42,640
response time list.
>> Didn't we get a a good check back for

693
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:51,440
them? Likeund and something grand.
>> 40 45,000 during my tenure and then it

694
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:55,119
was 125,000 I think this last year.
>> Yeah. Y

695
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,920
» without an old ticket, right?
>> No,

696
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:01,200
» those are services that provided.
>> It's two bucks a ticket.

697
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,040
» Yeah, not very much. This is the blue
light capital right here.

698
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,359
» The medium.
>> Mhm.

699
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:08,400
» Oh yeah.
>> Hey.

700
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,040
» No. No.
>> I don't see him pulling people.

701
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,440
» That's where I'd be sitting
>> anymore.

702
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:15,760
» Well, at least you could hide and then
run them.

703
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:21,200
» Oh, you don't need to hide. You
just sit in the dead gum media and the

704
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:27,760
idiots are not paying any attention.
>> That's like this 20 mph speed sign.

705
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:35,280
» Oh, okay.
>> What a joke. Which which one do you on

706
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:38,319
US one? Do you stop at the first 20 mph
or do you stop at the second 20 m hour?

707
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
» Second one.
>> And the first one is just a warning

708
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,480
sign.
>> But not everybody knows that,

709
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,680
» right?
>> Nope.

710
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,680
» Everybody Everybody's got a driver's
license.

711
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:54,960
» Put something on the bottom of these.
>> I don't know the commissioner that said

712
00:50:52,400 --> 00:51:00,400
it when the discussion came up the other
night.

713
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:05,040
If there isn't a consequence for your
personal actions,

714
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:10,240
» nothing is going to happen. And I've
told Ricky Taylor, call the sheriff.

715
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:14,480
Tell him to bring the motorcycles down
here and ride anybody that's going 10

716
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,280
over the limit.
>> You don't want the motorcycle stuff. You

717
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:22,720
do not want the motorcycle. They'll
arrest your grandma. They will put your

718
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,920
ass
>> if you're doing something wrong. I don't

719
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,119
know.
>> You do a California stop, you're going

720
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,920
to get a ticket.
>> When I was on the highway patrol, we'd

721
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:38,079
get a complaint. Griffin Road in Broward
County runs west

722
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:44,800
» all the way to US 27.
>> It and there's a huge canal on the north

723
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:49,440
side of we get a complaint. Lieutenant
say, "Gibson, need to go out on Griffin

724
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Road."
First day I'd be out there, I'd write 35

725
00:51:51,680 --> 00:52:00,720
tickets. Now, I didn't write you unless
you were running 150 cuz I wasn't going

726
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,680
to court on my day off for 2 miles an
hour.

727
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:10,640
» You know,
the next day I go out there, I'd write

728
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:17,359
20 tickets cuz the word spread. Now,
picture that black and yellow car with

729
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,800
two blue strobe lights on the top of it.
And Griffin Road didn't have a tree on

730
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:27,520
it.
>> They can see you. They could sit. I'd

731
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:32,559
sit right on the shoulder.
The third day I'd write 10. Then the

732
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,040
lieutenant would make me go out on
Alligator Alley.

733
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:44,079
If I went back 30 days later, I'd write
35 tickets again.

734
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:52,480
» You know, and that's what's happening in
Oakill. River Road is a racetrack.

735
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:58,319
I don't know why Gaines Street was or is
unless it's just

736
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:02,559
certain individuals that use that road.
But River Road,

737
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,280
Halifax Canal,
>> Burke Circle, too.

738
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:14,000
» Yep. Take a ride over around there. And
there's marks everywhere.

739
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:17,440
» I can lay in bed at night hearing Dukes
a hazard going over the river track.

740
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,160
We
>> and I'm quite a ways away from the

741
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,800
intersection,
>> but you know,

742
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:29,920
» and everything at night.
>> It is too.

743
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:33,520
» Maybe we just need a curfew.
>> They buy it.

744
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:40,160
» I I wonder about I don't know if
anybody's gotten a ticket on any street

745
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:42,960
in the city of Oakill. Do you? Anybody?
>> I've been pulled over with a warning

746
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:46,559
because my trailer lights weren't
working on my boat.

747
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:52,319
» Law breaker. That's it. He wrote me a
warning, but he say they ride is US1.

748
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:57,680
» See,
and and I'm I haven't approached this,

749
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:06,160
but the more I think about it, have they
been told write speeding tickets on US1

750
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:11,280
because that's a state highway?
You know what I'm saying?

751
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:16,720
» Well, let me explain something to you.
We've even when you and I were here, we

752
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:21,040
talked about that and we talked to them
about that and they still go back to

753
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:26,720
US1.
What's wrong with hiding on Gain Street

754
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:31,440
in the woods or river road? There's lots
of places on the curve down there, but

755
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,079
they always revert back to US1. I think
they're told where to go.

756
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:40,559
» I think they were right. Well, I don't
know, but the more I think about it, I'm

757
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:44,160
a little bit concerned that that's what
they've been told.

758
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,160
» I think they were writing tickets uh by
the post office when

759
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,599
» that roadway. Yeah.
>> Well, they might have been

760
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:55,200
» when the road turns one way, 2:00, it's
southbound only.

761
00:54:52,640 --> 00:55:03,000
» Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
>> Moving on. Where are we going?

762
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,000
» Special fund revenues.

763
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,160
We don't have this. A lot of this is
off.

764
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,040
» This basically says what the city does
with the money.

765
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,000
» Yeah.
>> Right.

766
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:21,000
» And it's what 20 21

767
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,359
cent sales tax.

768
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:38,880
However, on table 92, it's got a U
5-year capital improvement plan,

769
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:45,359
which ends in 25.
Pave Roads, River Road, parking, city

770
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,920
hall, parking lot, park updates.
Sure, that's changed.

771
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,839
» Where were you at, Mike?
>> Um,

772
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:56,319
that says 913.
>> 913.

773
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:03,000
way better
>> cuz the rest of it

774
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,000
is short.

775
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:17,559
» Basically, they're saying we're going to
spend 52,000 bucks a year for each 5

776
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,559
years where you want to go.

777
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:24,240
Have they done any Have they paid the
parking lot after

778
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:29,040
more shelf?
>> Are you talking about 52,000 a year? Are

779
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:30,480
you talking about You're not talking
asphalt.

780
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,280
» Come on.
>> I know.

781
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,599
» Okay,
>> I see it.

782
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:38,799
» I'm looking at the bottom. It says they
plan to spend 52,000 bucks a year.

783
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:45,119
» They don't have $52,000
period in the in the streets and roads

784
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:48,160
uh asphalt.
>> So, this is obsolete also.

785
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:53,119
Yeah.
>> Can we go back to uh

786
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:58,400
» 96? Go
>> ahead, turn

787
00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:04,880
that first sentence on 96.
Let's talk about infrastructure

788
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:10,000
says OPL does not own operate central
water, central sanitary sewer or solid

789
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:14,559
waste facilities.
We don't own nothing but facility

790
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:19,119
facility wise, but we own pipes and
stuff, don't we? Yeah, we own the pipes

791
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:23,680
and uh
>> and we have an ordinance that allows us

792
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:28,079
to establish a public works department.
>> Yep. Right.

793
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:33,359
» And that that construction notes in Oak
Bridge Colony, it says in there, Oakill

794
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:36,640
will own water, sewer, whatever they put
in the ground, Oakill owns it.

795
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:40,680
» So, this needs to be updated also,
>> right? Hm.

796
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,680
» We will in that in that county. We're
going to be the proud owners of the

797
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,559
sewer and water.
>> Yep. It's in construction notes. I just

798
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,040
took a picture of it today.
>> Which one is oak bridge? This one

799
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:53,839
our our neighbor.
>> Yeah.

800
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,400
» Okay.
>> Yeah. I would say

801
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,960
» you you and I'll be in the ground.
>> Yeah. Well, yeah.

802
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:06,079
» Really?
Um but watch

803
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:15,520
» to to get the funding
you had to have an ordinance that you

804
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:19,359
had infrastructure water and sewer
for the city.

805
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,319
» So I understand why all this is in here.
>> Okay.

806
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:28,640
» Yeah.
>> But at this time at this time just like

807
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:35,119
does not own or operate central potable
water. That's exactly right. We don't.

808
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:40,240
Our provider is Valuchia County. Did you
>> We own the pipes in one development.

809
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:46,400
» You me you mentioned that. Did you
notice all the other night mentioned

810
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:51,359
that we don't need to be buying
water from the future from Edgewater?

811
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,000
» Yes.
>> Did you hear him?

812
00:58:52,480 --> 00:59:02,079
» Yes.
I've talked to him.

813
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:05,760
Florida Rural Water has the money
>> and we joined that too.

814
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:11,040
» Yes.
And and in my discussions with him, I

815
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:15,839
said, "You've got 700 acres."
>> I do.

816
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:22,720
» Can we lease Can the city lease some to
put two wells?

817
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:28,079
And in our discussion, he said if the
city of Oill

818
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:36,319
puts in wells,
all if he's still there, all put in two

819
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:38,640
revoke osmosis units to purify the
water.

820
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:45,119
» That's the best water you can drink.
>> Yep. and and that new tank that they're

821
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:48,119
putting in to help with Edgewater's flow
problem,

822
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:54,079
it will just fall in line to me. This is
not something that's going to happen

823
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:56,640
tomorrow.
>> No.

824
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:58,960
» Did you hear him the other night when he
mentioned about that water tank?

825
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:05,839
» Yes.
>> Did you mention Did you notice him

826
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,799
saying further south?
>> Yeah.

827
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,319
» Okay.
>> Yeah. He wants to be on the east side of

828
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,720
the the tracks.
>> They're looking they're looking at

829
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:16,160
putting wells south of us, the the
county.

830
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,040
» Okay.
>> They were talking.

831
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:23,359
» And if that happens,
>> then we'll be water buying water from

832
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:26,880
the county, not Edgewater.
>> Well, that'd be a blessing.

833
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,880
» Hell yes. Pardon my friend.
>> Yeah.

834
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,079
» Um
>> Yeah. Okay.

835
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:38,640
» What about here? We're talking about
traffic for

836
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:43,280
existing deficiencies and future
deficiencies. It says none. Shouldn't we

837
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,040
have something in there
>> for future?

838
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,559
» What section?
>> Same. Right below it.

839
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:54,000
» Right below infrastructure.
>> Well, we still need a traffic light,

840
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,040
» which that was talked about Monday. It's
it's on the books.

841
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:01,280
» Yeah. 2090 or something.
>> They've been talking about that for

842
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:04,000
20 dead. They haven't brought enough
body bags to pick up the dead.

843
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,440
» Yeah, that's exactly
>> that's exactly what they're waiting on.

844
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,760
» They said that you have not had enough
people killed at that intersection.

845
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:14,240
» Um,
>> quote unquote,

846
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:20,240
» the only deficiencies we got is that
quarter after 7 in the morning till 8:30

847
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:25,359
» and at 3:00 in the afternoon, it looks
like Marilyn Dian boys coming south.

848
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:31,640
» That's the deficiency.
>> That's a rush minute.

849
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:31,640
» Huh? That's a rush minute and no kill.

850
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:42,040
» Pick up the love ones. Yep.
>> Water and sewer the city does not

851
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,040
currently provide. Yeah, we do.

852
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,520
So,

853
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:58,880
» but that would go under the uh
public works department were authorized

854
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:02,319
but haven't put together yet.
>> What's required? I mean, is it just

855
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:07,839
population? Is that what we're waiting
on to get money? But there's funding we

856
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,599
can get though, can't we? There's bonds.
I mean, it talks about bonds and I'll

857
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,040
tell you
>> what's going on right now, right? East

858
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:19,920
Coast, East Coast Florida Regional
Planning Council

859
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:26,640
» is putting together a gap analysis
which says we want to have um

860
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:31,520
what services do we need to make Oakill
economically viable. We're talking about

861
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:37,920
new Smyrna Beach, Edgewater and Oakill.
And uh Tyler McHugh says we want $11,000

862
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:43,520
for each one of each of the cities and
the whole the whole study is going to

863
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:47,599
cost uh like $330,000.
So I said, "Well, Tyrie, you know, we

864
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:52,640
don't have oceanfront. We don't have
condos." And I cried poverty. And and

865
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:59,040
she said, "Well, you got to have some
some skin in the game." So we agreed on

866
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:03,680
3500 bucks instead of 11,000. But the
advantage to this is once they get the

867
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:08,319
gap analysis, they're going to be
chasing the grants to provide the

868
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:12,720
infrastructure that they the shortages
they've identified. So I think that

869
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,000
$3,500 is going to be a steal of a
century.

870
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,359
» Mhm.
>> And it talks about revenue bonds. I

871
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,200
mean,
>> would that pay for itself?

872
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:25,599
» That's industrial revenue bonds. And
those have been abused quite a bit. What

873
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,640
happens is how many people are you going
to hire and give you X dollars for

874
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,400
everybody you're going to hire. So
somebody goes and says I'm going to hire

875
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:34,240
50 people and I'm going to open up a
McDonald's franchise,

876
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:40,960
» right?
>> And he gets the revenue bonds to open up

877
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:43,760
a McDonald's and everybody starves. So
>> do we have any bonds?

878
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,079
» We don't issue them. They're state.
>> We don't. Okay. Yeah.

879
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:49,079
» So we don't have a bond rating or
nothing.

880
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:57,039
» Moving on.
drainage

881
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:01,039
» developed areas of frequent or
persistent flooding.

882
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:06,559
» Huh?
>> Yeah. All right.

883
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:12,079
» When you go down to the future needs
there where it says development and

884
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,559
redevelopment to retain storm water on
site and this is for the developers.

885
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,799
» Yeah.
>> I think you should change that most to

886
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:23,760
all.
Well, it's over. It's 110% or even more.

887
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,359
So, it's more than all.
>> Well, it says most.

888
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:33,760
» Yeah, I know. So, that should change to
I I think it's St. John's regulation.

889
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,400
» So, you want to change it to what? All
>> I would say all storm water goes stays

890
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,400
on site.
>> Okay.

891
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:52,240
Maintenance.
city will need to provide regular

892
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:55,280
maintenance. No,
>> the developer should should take care of

893
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:59,599
the maintenance.
>> Yes, that's

894
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:03,039
» we should we shouldn't have to do that.
>> And if we have to fix or clean a

895
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,280
drainage,
>> we charge them.

896
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:06,400
» We have to charge it back to the
developer.

897
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:10,079
» Absolutely.
>> That's not in there. Now, I'm just I'm

898
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:14,400
just saying that should be added.
>> It should be.

899
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:18,400
» Well, we had that problem with um cuz
they got it down here. This is likely to

900
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,280
be handled by through the developer
agreement. But you know how this is

901
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:23,119
going to happen to be handled. Okay.
Huh.

902
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:27,839
» This is going to be handled.
>> Yeah. It's going to be handled. That's

903
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:34,079
what that should be. I would add it
>> when um when they came before PLDRC for

904
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:37,520
the development down on Unit's property.
Uh a number of residents were concerned

905
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,920
that there would be flooding on the
south side of Hillsdale Road. And he

906
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:43,760
said, "Well, we'll put some culprits
in." And I said, "Who's the cleaner?"

907
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,400
» Right?
>> He says, "The county cleaner." I said,

908
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:50,319
"No, he won't. The county hasn't cleaned
anything out since the second Punic War.

909
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,400
How about you guys clean it? You got 800
and something people in your HOA."

910
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,640
» Exactly.
>> And he realized unless he said yes, he

911
01:05:54,559 --> 01:06:00,480
wasn't going to get a yes. So, they've
agreed that the HOA is going to pick

912
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,720
that up. And I think they should.
>> That's very good.

913
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,160
» So, when are they going to develop the
property on Maytown here on Halifax?

914
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:10,079
» Which one?
>> The Vera

915
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:12,720
subdivision. Very like that for a
minute.

916
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:16,720
» It's stock. If you go online, there's
model homes. for the neighborhood.

917
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:21,599
» I knew where that is.
>> Right after the railroad tracks

918
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,599
» right before Willywood's house.
>> Willywood. Yeah,

919
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,920
» that's his.
>> That's his development.

920
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:28,880
» Not anymore. No,
>> they sold it to Habitat and then it's

921
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:32,319
for sale.
>> Okay. Habitat says when there's water

922
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,280
and sewer, we'll start building.
>> Adams is advertising homes right now.

923
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,960
» Really?
>> Go online.

924
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:42,319
» Really?
>> Go on homes homes.com and there's 2,000

925
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:46,799
to 3,000t homes. Okay.
>> And David said it's been flagged out

926
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:49,119
there. Survey flags.
>> Maybe something.

927
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:52,720
» Mhm.
>> I haven't received anything.

928
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:55,520
» It's still in Habitat's name, but if you
go online one, see the model homes for

929
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:00,160
sale.
>> Are they conventional or trailers?

930
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:04,160
» No, the homes 3,000t house is 2,000
square.

931
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:08,000
» Because I remember Reverend Woods said
to me that in the stipulation for the

932
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:11,280
sale
>> could not be traded.

933
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:13,760
» Yeah. No, it's homes big houses. Unless
that's a big curve.

934
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:18,319
» Yeah.
>> To have that come to the city of Tasha.

935
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:23,359
» Not that I know.
>> It would come to the LDRC.

936
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,920
» Well, there's a ditch.
>> Yeah.

937
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,640
» On the very south end of that
development right

938
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:33,599
» that he built.
>> Okay.

939
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:37,440
He has never maintained it. He sold it.
And it's all the ditch is still there,

940
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:43,440
but the trees and the foliage is all
growed up and it goes shoots right to

941
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:45,599
the ditch next to Nancy Cummings
Street.

942
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:48,400
» And that's why Nancy Cummings has a
flooding problem because it can't drain

943
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,400
through that ditch.
>> Well, that water floods all the homes on

944
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:57,760
the back side of Cypress Avenue big
time.

945
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:04,799
» Yeah. Whose ditch is
>> it's was his his when he developed it

946
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:08,400
» he David Lee was supposed he said no you
cost too much I'll build it he built it

947
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:12,240
all right
>> okay what I'm asking is not whose it is

948
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:17,120
but whose responsibility is
>> the person who owns the property now

949
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,600
» and I'm not sure who owns it
Adams or somebody

950
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,520
» Habitat owns it right now
>> do they

951
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,880
» that's I look today it's telling me
>> okay give them a call

952
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:28,000
» um that ditch needs to be cleaned up cuz
they flooded them people.

953
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:31,759
» We had we had somebody who put a ditch
in and built a house on top of it and

954
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,080
they complained his house floods every
time it rains.

955
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:39,159
» All right, I got to go.

956
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,640
» Here we go.
>> See you.

957
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:50,880
» Where we at?
>> Next fall practice.

958
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:54,319
» We're ready to solid waste now.
>> I'll see you next.

959
01:08:52,480 --> 01:09:00,880
» Okay, solid waste we got covered. get
the contract waste problem.

960
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:03,520
» But tooka farm landfill is only good for
another nine years.

961
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:05,199
» They're building an addition.
>> Are they?

962
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:09,040
» Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> See you later.

963
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:14,799
» Thanks, Tim.
>> Recreation where it says future needs,

964
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:18,400
» future needs recreation over space
identifies no need for additional open

965
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:23,839
space by 2035.
No, because we get populations gone up

966
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:28,239
and we have to have so many acres per
population or Drew was uh jumping up at

967
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:32,319
that about that.
>> Well, the problem is the maps are wrong

968
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:35,120
so that needs to be corrected.
>> Yeah.

969
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,960
» Where you at, Terry?
>> Recreation.

970
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:38,000
» Recreation number two.
>> Okay.

971
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,359
» Number two.
>> Number two.

972
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:43,759
» Yep.
>> It says existing deficiencies. None. I

973
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,560
don't Are there any existing
deficiencies with our recreation?

974
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:52,560
Do we need to put money into the parks,
fix the ball fields, none of that stuff?

975
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:57,760
» They're doing that. And that that's one
of the things the impact fee, the

976
01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:00,880
proposed impact fees for the new cover
go church park.

977
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,880
» Was the study done for the impact fees?
>> No.

978
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:08,199
» No.
>> I think we're preliminarily doing it

979
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,199
now.

980
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:17,360
But Drew Drew made a big fuss about we
don't have enough. What did she say? an

981
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,880
acre for every eight people or
something.

982
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,560
» Yeah, there's a ratio.
>> Yeah, there's a ratio.

983
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:26,000
» Y
>> and we have enough now and a little bit

984
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,920
of surplus, but we have another thousand
town.

985
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:35,440
» You got 33 and a3% of 72 acres.
>> Yeah, I know.

986
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:37,280
» They not count that Drew Anne Carrie
Wearing.

987
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,760
» Mhm.
>> Nope.

988
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,159
» Okay. Is that ours? Are we sharing that
with

989
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:46,560
» Yeah, it's titled
City of Oakill.

990
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:48,080
» It's ours. 33 and a3.
>> Okay.

991
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,960
» Percent.
>> Okay.

992
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,600
» That says to me we own it.
>> Yeah. Now, can

993
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:57,600
» they don't
>> is that the is that the federal

994
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:59,440
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

995
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:04,480
» Now, the next
>> waterfront 7 72 acres.

996
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:08,800
» Can we use it is the next question.
>> Well, you can't use it. The agreement is

997
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:13,920
St. John's is doing a dredging project
for two years.

998
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:18,880
» Okay. After the two years, city of OILL
will have the right to make a park

999
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:21,840
whatever we're okay.
>> Good.

1000
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:26,560
» How about the same property between
north of Lighthouse Cove that's chain

1001
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:30,000
length in all the way to HH Birch Road.
>> No, that's No, that's in land, too.

1002
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:34,080
» I know it is.
>> That's prime. They bought that to put

1003
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,520
the dredging on that property.
>> Yeah, they've got lifetime rights on

1004
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:45,120
that army.
>> And and what's his name? uh with the

1005
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:49,520
town center sold acreage unit
>> for spoil

1006
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:55,239
and I wanted it's a big it's all chain
link in

1007
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,239
» on Bill Hills road

1008
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:04,239
Bur sold that to the or to the army
corps HH Birch

1009
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,360
cuz he's the one that started that RV
park there.

1010
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,960
» Yeah.
>> And then he had they built the wall for

1011
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:14,719
him. Mhm.
>> for giving them the place to put spoils

1012
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:18,880
for 100 years or whatever the green was.
Yep. They can't do anything else with

1013
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,880
it.
>> We don't get any taxes off that either,

1014
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,880
though.
>> Nope.

1015
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,640
» Nope. Nope. Nope.

1016
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:35,520
» You want to hear this this stuff
commercial mixed news? You have an idea

1017
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:40,239
what
>> what's that? You want to hear the

1018
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:47,199
proposed commercial mix of use overlay
or are we have 15 minutes?

1019
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,760
» It doesn't pertain to the comp plan.
>> Well, yeah, it does because it's land

1020
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:55,120
use.
>> Uh, we're not on the land use right now.

1021
01:12:51,840 --> 01:13:00,239
» Okay, put it away.
>> No, it's only reason sometimes.

1022
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:06,960
» Where do we get the land use, Mike?
>> Five years. Got to get updated.

1023
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:10,120
I'll keep it only be 85 years old, but
that's fine.

1024
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:17,080
Moving a

1025
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,719
budget. No
>> budget.

1026
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,320
» No,
>> the fiveyear plan that's that would have

1027
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:27,320
to be updated.
>> Yeah.

1028
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:35,800
How about goals, objectives, and
policies,

1029
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,800
which is 9:17.

1030
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,640
Yeah.

1031
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:58,120
I don't think the city still has enough
reserve funds.

1032
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:13,679
City shall by reference incorporate the
Lucia school board's 5-year capital

1033
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:21,239
funding plan. Does that go away because
we have burn site?

1034
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,239
I'm on 918. Objective 17.

1035
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:43,159
Oh, here's the open space down at the
end. 6 acres per thousand.

1036
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:43,159
Actually,

1037
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:55,840
chapter 10 entirely goes away because
it's public school facilities elements.

1038
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:59,480
We don't have any public schools. I
don't have that chapter.

1039
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:22,480
Going back to 917, this 25,000.
It seems a little

1040
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:27,440
um
like you just said, what do we have in

1041
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:31,280
reserves?
Um capital improvements.

1042
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,280
» Mhm.
>> Um

1043
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:41,120
» well, that's that's opposed to
maintenance. So, capital improvements

1044
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:49,199
would be spending money on parks,
replacing equipment and stuff like that.

1045
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:52,440
And we already have a a pricing schedule
for that

1046
01:15:53,520 --> 01:16:01,440
seems awful low
uh compared to the value everything

1047
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:04,480
costs this day and age.
>> Um,

1048
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:06,480
» Kathy, didn't that playground equipment
cost about 60 grand?

1049
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:10,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. See at 25,000 I agree it's too

1050
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,960
low.
>> Okay,

1051
01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:24,080
» maybe put it at
70,000.

1052
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:28,560
» Yeah, that's reasonable.
>> It's just a classification of 25,000.

1053
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:33,600
» I know it is. But
>> why why do you want to raise it? It

1054
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:38,480
doesn't because you got five or 10
projects that fall say 50 60,000.

1055
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:42,800
won't meet the plan. But now you got to
have a million dollars.

1056
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:47,760
» So you got to have a million.
>> Yeah, I know. I want to say it to 25 put

1057
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:50,880
in the capital plan just just to keep a
keep a close eye on it. Where's our

1058
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,560
money going?
>> Well, that's what they've been doing to

1059
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:57,560
it. It's just keeping an eye on it.
>> Yeah.

1060
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:05,840
» Yeah, I agree. Everything's expensive
now. Yeah.

1061
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:07,840
» Adopted levels 6 acres per 1,000
population.

1062
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,600
» Yeah.
>> Our population is what? 23

1063
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,360
something.
>> 2300

1064
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,520
» somewhere around there. Yeah.
>> 22 23

1065
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:20,800
» I think in one of the chapters we
figured you had about 12 acres or

1066
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:25,600
something like that.
>> Six per thousand.

1067
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:29,840
» Six acres per thousand people.
>> Not changed here.

1068
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:33,199
» No, not here. This is 2021.
>> And

1069
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,040
» I There was a big fuss here about we
don't have enough space, but

1070
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,080
» Well, that was
>> that was Drew not not recognizing one

1071
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:42,440
out here.
>> Yes.

1072
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,440
» All right, we're good.

1073
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:55,199
» I can still there argument was that land
doesn't belong to us, so why is it

1074
01:17:52,159 --> 01:18:00,400
calculated into our future?
Um,

1075
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:03,360
» but it does belong to us and in two
years we can play with it and it's

1076
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:08,000
» county records.
>> Yeah. City of Mil 33 and a third.

1077
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:12,000
» It's going to be 2 years before anything
happens down in Mills Hill. They're not

1078
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:15,360
going to be selling houses tomorrow.
>> We need to get them straight on that.

1079
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,520
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1080
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:22,719
» What it says.
>> But here's here's the big thing.

1081
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:25,120
What agency's going to come in and tell
Oakill they don't have enough open

1082
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,679
space.
>> Well, no. That's just for when they come

1083
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:33,760
in for RPUDs what they can build. That's
what that's

1084
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:37,600
» right.
>> So, it's not anybody telling us, it's us

1085
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,679
telling developers.
>> Yeah.

1086
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,400
» You can't you can't do this cuz we don't
have

1087
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,520
» We You need to buy some park space,
>> right?

1088
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:49,520
» Yep.
>> Okay.

1089
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:54,159
» So, let's see. I got u when I'm done I
might have 25 people out there. So I

1090
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:59,440
need to buy 50 square ft of park space
which

1091
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:05,000
» No, we're going to make you pay triple.
All right. So 150 square ft of park

1092
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
space

1093
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,520
» and you have to allow the public to
enter.

1094
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:12,520
» I'll pay right at the end of the active
room.

1095
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:20,239
Uh, do we have to do anything with the
public school facilities element

1096
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:23,880
considering we don't have any?
>> I don't think so.

1097
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:35,120
» I think I want to read it because we may
have some obligations to the county

1098
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:40,239
whether we have um a public school here
or not.

1099
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:46,640
» Oh, yeah. Uh, chapter 107.
I don't mind the school being here.

1100
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:51,199
» What what people really are concerned
about and I've heard the streets and

1101
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:56,400
roads guys talk about
>> all the traffic that's tearing up our

1102
01:19:53,360 --> 01:20:01,360
streets coming in and out of that junk.
>> Okay. But this talks about um school

1103
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,800
construction and
>> Well, I don't think they can build

1104
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,400
anymore unless they go
>> They hadn't planned on it.

1105
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:13,520
» They're not planning on it. plan.
>> Um,

1106
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:17,440
unless they buy us one frontage,
>> that's been talked about about buying

1107
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:23,360
something to make a loop.
>> I think I made that motion. Brought that

1108
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:27,440
out one night and said, "You need to buy
auto in the little building beside it

1109
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:31,360
» and build a bridge
>> and build a bridge and have a daycare."

1110
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:36,800
I remember about that
>> and it fell on down there. It's on the

1111
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,679
» that side of Ridge Road, east side of
Ridge Road School, although I think

1112
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,320
» steam steam station.
>> Yeah,

1113
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:49,199
that's not the same.
>> You know, it'd be nice though if they

1114
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:54,239
would buy that on US1, put a bridge
across the ditch

1115
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:55,280
» and bring the traffic because
>> Yeah.

1116
01:20:54,800 --> 01:21:00,080
» Yeah.
>> Let's talk about our last comm um

1117
01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:03,679
community. Trust me here. Okay. Oh,
good.

1118
01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:06,960
Good.
>> That would make the school

1119
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:10,640
» Yeah. make a lot of
>> And the neighbors even happy.

1120
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:15,520
» Mhm.
>> I I want to read this because as I said,

1121
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:20,560
we may have responsibility towards the
county school system even if we don't

1122
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:23,199
have a school institute.
>> You're still paying county taxes for

1123
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:27,040
school taxes.
>> Yeah. We are

1124
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,840
» right.
You can just catch that.

1125
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:33,760
» No. What happened?
>> I heard a beep.

1126
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:36,480
» I heard a beep. Yeah,
>> we got 8 minutes.

1127
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,640
» I don't have a I don't have a chapter.
>> I don't have a chat. Make sure it was

1128
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:43,280
plugged in.
>> Um

1129
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:46,159
No, I'm not.
>> I don't have a chapter 10.

1130
01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:49,280
» Okay.
>> I got something here, but

1131
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:55,280
» I got that, too.
>> Yeah, I got all that, but not 10. Um,

1132
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:59,760
» who collates the changes we have made
these past couple weeks? We annotated

1133
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:03,280
all this stuff. What happens?
>> City manager.

1134
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,040
» He just puts it in the notes of
>> the commission

1135
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,280
» when
>> No. No. When we're done.

1136
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,679
» Yeah.
>> We're not done. We got this other book

1137
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:14,480
to deal with.
>> Goes before the PLDRC.

1138
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:17,920
» Yep.
>> I've never seen Where's that other book?

1139
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:23,199
» I've never seen that.
>> I think

1140
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:29,120
» that's the LDR book, is it? Yeah,
we got that to go through too. Okay.

1141
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:33,040
» If I talk
>> um

1142
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:41,199
» can you find out Tasha from Megan or or
or John where chapter 10 is or even if

1143
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:45,520
it exist?
>> I have chapter 10. You

1144
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:49,840
» it's public school development.
>> That's what he was talking about.

1145
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,840
public school.
>> It's not my book. It's

1146
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:57,760
» not in my book.
>> I don't think you should have had it.

1147
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,639
» You don't think you should have had it?
>> Well, it's not in y'all's book.

1148
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:02,639
» I don't have it.
>> It's in my book.

1149
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:06,320
» You have it.
>> Um, can you

1150
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:12,600
» chapter 10?
>> Make a copy of chapter 10. How many

1151
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,600
needs chapter 10?

1152
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:20,400
» Three.
>> How many pages is it?

1153
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:23,719
I'm not sure if Tim has it or not. Bunch
of bait is

1154
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,320
» Thank you.

1155
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:38,000
» Okay. So, after we're done with both of
these,

1156
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:43,760
then John gets it and makes it pretty.
>> He does he he's been he's been

1157
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:47,040
orchestrating everything in the minutes
and

1158
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:52,320
» Right. Yes. interchanging
>> um every meeting

1159
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:57,880
» um it goes to the PRDC board.
>> Yeah.

1160
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:57,880
» Um then it goes to the council.

1161
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:03,040
» Okay.
>> So I get a second dig. I get a second

1162
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:07,040
bite if you got
>> then it goes to the state, right?

1163
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:08,639
» Mhm.
>> Okay.

1164
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:11,520
» Shouldn't go to the
>> Look at the dirty look I'm getting.

1165
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:16,960
lawyer first to make sure we're not
>> Oh, the attorney will be Oh, they'll be

1166
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,880
» He'll be looking at it. Absolutely,
Terry.

1167
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,880
» Make sure we didn't do nothing wrong.
>> Mhm.

1168
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:31,719
» He's uh pretty sure.
>> The land development is going to be fun.

1169
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,719
» I'm going to enjoy that.

1170
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:40,000
» I am too cuz the pages are upright.
Yeah.

1171
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:45,080
» Then then it's backwards.
I was thinking of that.

1172
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,080
» It's going to be tons of fun.

1173
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:58,400
» You know,
it's it's we laugh about this, but hey,

1174
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:05,600
it's the future going down the road.
>> Yep. And just in case you're interested,

1175
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:13,400
um Sam in New Smyrna Beach says Me Hunt
is helping them upgrade their future

1176
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:13,400
land use plan. 80 grand.

1177
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:18,679
» We're getting a we
>> Yeah, we should get a piece of that.

1178
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:27,600
» I don't know.
>> I think the city should take us all out

1179
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:35,199
of New Orleans at least once.
just buy a pizza or something else

1180
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:40,560
for the greater.
>> So letting you

1181
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:45,120
» Okay, the next meeting is supposed to be
the 27th,

1182
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:50,719
but they got a special meeting the
commission does on the 21st. And if it

1183
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:53,600
isn't long enough period of time
>> for notice

1184
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:56,560
» for notice, they're going to be doing
theirs on the 27th. That's their backup

1185
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,560
date.
>> 28th.

1186
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:06,560
» They changed it to the 28th.
>> No, they couldn't do it the 28th. That's

1187
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:11,199
Thursday. They So, they backed it up to
Wednesday the 27th.

1188
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:13,440
» I'm pretty sure.
>> Okay.

1189
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:17,440
» Well,
>> I just asked a question. When's the next

1190
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:20,719
meeting? Well,
>> don't be difficult.

1191
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:24,639
» Well, we'll get notified. In other
words, John's going to have to

1192
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:29,440
coordinate with with us because it's
>> contingent on the

1193
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:32,560
» the city.
>> Well, that's going to be

1194
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:35,280
» and that was in that was in So, I guess
the answer is answer unclear. Ask again

1195
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,120
later,
>> right?

1196
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,400
» Let me ask a question. Why can't we just
make it June 3rd and be done with it?

1197
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,520
» That's my birthday. We ain't coming up.
>> Got to be notified. Got to be noticed.

1198
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:47,920
» No, for us.
>> For us. Yeah.

1199
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,920
» We have We should coordinate through
Johnny. You have something else going

1200
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:54,639
on.
>> Okay.

1201
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:59,840
» Um, you want to get with John tomorrow
on that subject, Kasha?

1202
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:05,199
» Yeah. Okay. She's talking.
>> Will you tomorrow David's coming down to

1203
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:08,360
see John to coordinate the meeting? The
next one.

1204
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:16,880
» Kathy, you got any questions?
>> No.

1205
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:22,639
You want more kids be here for the at
least for the first I know that

1206
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:26,480
» soon I'll be on vacation this well
>> on that one probably

1207
01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:31,679
» tell
>> yeah tomorrow go go go and talk to them

1208
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:39,760
and you got to you you this is your
meeting so you got to I don't know I you

1209
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:44,159
read these minutes
>> you shouldn't be signing because you

1210
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:46,239
were here.
What is this?

1211
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:49,560
» 10.
>> That's 10.

1212
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,960
» Okay.

1213
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:01,760
Go over 10.
Start on the other one. Right.

1214
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:07,679
» We're not going to do anything with 10.
Then we start on the blue book,

1215
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,679
» right? We'll start on the LDR next week
or next meeting.

1216
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:15,520
» Land development.
>> Okay.

1217
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:21,120
David's going to get with John tomorrow.
>> We got to figure out this meeting if

1218
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:26,719
it's going to be the the 27th or they're
going to back the council down from the

1219
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:32,600
21st to the 27th.
>> Isn't the land

1220
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,600
anyway?

1221
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,639
» Huh?
>> Isn't that in Munich code anyway?

1222
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,159
I think it is.
>> I think so.

1223
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:50,760
» I wouldn't swear to it.
>> I know, but I I recall fighting my way

1224
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,760
through.

1225
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:58,560
That's part of land development. It
talks about

1226
01:28:54,719 --> 01:29:06,800
trees and tree surveys and St. John's
and concurrency and all that good stuff.

1227
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:09,800
» Motion to adjurnn. Motion. Second. It's
done.