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I'm sure reciting it goes like, and what's that term, what's good?

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Yeah, I can't explain it to you at the time.

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Or, you can say I have a suggestion.

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I'll say the copy of the policy.

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After the passively.

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You don't want to cost us an issue to be out there.

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We have our side clear too, and they get there.

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Yeah.

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and he dug down really deep so that they don't possibly happen each time now now we just got to get grass

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It looks a lot of stuff

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Oh, yeah, it should quite a lot of that

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We're gonna be alive. Yeah, okay

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right, it's six o'clock

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So why don't even know the clock back there does that say six o'clock. That's it fell from the wall. It's broken now

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No, it's six

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enjoy you can get in your paper okay, right?

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I have to tell you that your son will order me.

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Yeah, I can't.

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Yeah, I'm not having a problem at all.

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I still re-books there.

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You have to turn the page in more.

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I'm order.

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Yes, thank you.

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Okay, we all signed in.

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So why don't we come to order?

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Let's begin with introductions.

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We'll begin with Commissioner Dea.

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Do we out of Del Commissioner?

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John Deluca Commissioner.

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Dale Grimes.

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Marshall All-Britney City Attorney Austin Edmonds and Acting City Manager all right thank you

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Please join me in the pledge of allegiance

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of the United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands one nation under God in the distance with liberty and justice for all thank you

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And just so everyone knows Commissioner, I mean Vice Mayor Evans is on his way, he had a commitment, legal commitment to mediation he was in and he's going to be some about another 30 minutes later, so.

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And then I would just ask him and we've already advised each other, but there he is, I just boy that was a fast 30 minutes.

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Come right in.

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We just started.

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We just started.

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Straight out of mediation.

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All right.

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And so.

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Longer than expected.

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They all come join us.

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Just remind everybody to speak into the microphones.

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It is absolutely true that if you don't, you don't get picked up very well on the recording.

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And I suppose out to the streaming world either.

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Now it's time for the approval of the agenda.

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Everyone's had the agenda and had the opportunity to review it. Is there any

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Is there a motion to approve the agenda?

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submit a Dail second second Deluca

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Anyone wish to make any changes?

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All right all in favor of approving the agenda say aye aye opposed? All right

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Now it's time for public comments and so the floor is open for public comments Mr. Crenshaw

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Please come up to the podium and state your name and address and give us your comments.

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Please?

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Morning.

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I'm Mayette Krinchau.

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I live on Firestaker's Court.

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I'm 32.

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And my question today is, has anything been proposed for Firestaker's Court?

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And the drainage problem there.

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We've got water running across the road because the culverts are stopped up.

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and we're getting a lot of deterioration of the road itself or the water is going across.

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And that's basically my next door neighbor is the water is pouring into their front door

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and down the side of their house and they're the one that had about $80,000 wall up and it failed again.

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And we're still got a colonial sole problem there. So in my house, I'm going to put it up for sale.

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And the next year, because it's sliding off its foundation, because of the water, it's coming across the street in front of my house.

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And so, just need to know, is there something being done or planned for our Secretary's Court, culverts, and drainage.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Let me just ask you Mr. Cringe.

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Have you, I assume you've reported this to the city.

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Okay. All right. We have to know anything about that address.

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That looks specifically known.

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That's not my hand.

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The most reason was about two months.

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They would come out and train and pull.

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So there's another culvert that needs to be cleaned out.

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the ones under the street is we understand it.

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But one culprit that got cleared out of hell,

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ain't clear for a justice or

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just mud or debris or what?

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I'm familiar with your situation.

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I mean, not that, but I'm familiar with the typography there,

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and you've got on a cross-to-street from

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you've got to hill about like that,

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and then you get the street and then it's behind you,

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you've got to hill about like that.

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All right. Well, thank you. I think it's been noted for the city to look into. Thank you. Any other comments? Public comments? Mr. Kennedy?

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24 hours till the start, National Tennessee, 3-7-2-2-0.

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It was good today to see, excuse me, that's good to see our friend here, Tommy, and

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Air and Austin, and they're out in the district, and I actually think they were working themselves.

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And so I pulled up one time, and I put my window down, and I asked the workers for a round of applause here for Austin.

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But anyway, it was good to see everybody out.

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And then Tommy was out there today, and I asked Tommy, well, you know, I thought he was the supervisor.

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And he said, no, I'm lifting all the work.

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It's in throw, no, the watering.

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So it was very pleasant.

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and I hope you didn't hurt your back anyway. So I want to read a few things. First thing I want to read

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I have to get my glasses out because I have to have two pair of some time. I don't want to go to a stronger pair.

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Anyway, so how does that look, everybody?

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So this is eight years ago. It's just it's amazing

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what doesn't change, what does change.

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But this was peabond study at the time.

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It said, impact on local traffic as infrastructure.

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And it says, alternative to RL, SNA route,

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would have required significant disruption

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of an extended period of time to two of Nashville's

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these stretches of non-interstate roads.

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Old Hickory Boulevard, and Franklin and Seraphil

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down to Frank's and Pike.

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good-own Franklin Road, that's what they're doing.

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So, you know, it just shows you that, you know,

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that my opinion is they could have gone all the way down

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Hold the grill, boom, fire, gun across, Gernie White,

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and never ever encroached on land.

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Anyway, the next thing I want to say is,

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during the current construction, next door to us,

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or they have that station.

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They constructed a 25-foot wall.

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It was a steel wall to hide all that what was going on in there.

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And they were, it was amazing.

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How many trucks were dropping stuff in there into the ground?

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And anyway, after they did some more work there and pulled that down, they do have a retaining wall there.

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That was built during the, during the first time that people was there.

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The retaining wall was built with blocks, okay?

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And if you watch any time you watch when all these waters have come,

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all the waters see through all these retaining blocks.

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And the city of Oak Hill requires engineering,

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What do you call them?

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I'll just give my other notes here anyway.

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They're engineered concrete walls.

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OK, so if you see a lot of the houses there are built now,

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you're seeing engineered walls.

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The one that was said, there's a house up there in New York,

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928, I believe.

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And that was the house that they took,

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I'm told, 300 loads of colluvial soil out

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and then they replaced it with rock and stone.

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And as a city of Oak Hill, I actually stopped that.

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You know, what they were doing at the time.

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And they made them go back to the planning board

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so that they would wreck these engineering walls.

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Next thing I just want to say is that it's amazing.

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You know, for seven or eight years, I would come in here.

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pressure, a lot of people commit, and we'd ask for the first of what we felt that was a

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permanent back of those days. And it was denied denied, denied every meeting I'd be in,

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it was denied denied. Anyway, so, but amazingly, in 2019, when I, after I, I was at the

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meeting, and I happened to hear you talk with Stacey, and I knew there was a, I knew

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of a department somewhere, and they came in and I saw the codes, your codes guy at the time,

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and he had only been here, I don't know, two or three months, and he said, let me go and

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see what I can do, and he went and spent about a half an hour, came back and said he found

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this, and he had to admit that was the first, and knew that there was a permit.

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And what I want to say about him is all the commenders because at that time when I came in,

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he and I just sat and told like, man, and then he actually took action, went down, took

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half in our situation, I was in came back and said, I think I found you something, and that

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was the first time we had found that what a permit is did exist back then, and then you've

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the letter that I'm going to give you a copy of here with a few other documents. I want you

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to put in the record for tonight's meeting.

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And what we want is we want a retaining wall

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built at the back of our house. And we want all that mud and dirt and everything that slides down.

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You've been out there and you've seen it.

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It's going in all types of different directions.

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We want that to stop.

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We wanted to our whole yards because, like I was going to say,

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a rugby field in Ireland back in the day,

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but now they have them flat.

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And so you don't have to play kick in the air.

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But our yard is just unbelievable.

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And the force of these waters is unbelievable.

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because when we had the French train built, one would have never

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a thought at all those stones and rocks and everything would be washed

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all the way down the driveway, which you actually saw witness, I think you

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both witnessed them. So what we want is the retaining wall, and we want our

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yard to be fixed. And in that, what they do, what we need is somebody

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bring in about 10 loads of mod and errors and reposition that yard.

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We also want, we have AFS, AFS is a big comment and they do insulation in your garage.

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They've been out and gave us a quote, all the quotes I had are all 2019 quotes.

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But they came out and they come in and they have this whole deal where they insulate your garage.

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And, you know, and make sure that the waters are going, everything is stopping, it's not coming in and flooding our garage.

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Our garage actually, if you look at it on the inside, you can see what, you know, where it was built, you know, similar to what you're probably talking about.

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You can see where all the, the mud and the dirt is just washing, washing the whole thing right across the garage.

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We actually had to build a platform recently, just to be able to go in and see where the

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he's are, the he's are in the air financials, so people get across and anyway so we want

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that fixed and we'd like to, there are several areas in our yard, we'd just like them to cut

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those areas, replace those areas, and fix our, and fix our back patio, and there are some areas in the patio that are okay, but most of them are not.

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And basically, you know, I'm looking at it, it's

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a lot of, you know, in a quote, there's a lot of things that one has to do.

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The quotes we got were at 2019 since then, the gentleman I'm talking to, he has told me that this quote would have done up 50% due to construction cause and labor.

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Can you provide that to the city manager and will that conclude your comments?

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You mean give you a copy of this?

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Did you want to?

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I'm not sure.

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I'm actually gave, I gave Joey a copy, she has a copy, but I can give you a copy.

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I will be there.

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Okay.

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Do you have something, another point?

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Okay.

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So my

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boss told me that I have to hang out with my boss, not just one of my boss at home.

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Just a letter that's essential and tells about permit.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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An injury.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And...

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Be careful.

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It's our protection, I think.

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Exactly.

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What is there for?

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I say what you're saying.

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Now, did you give this to the city manager?

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No.

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Okay.

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I think it's probably better go to him.

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If you can, if you can, come to your conclusion, that would be great.

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So we can continue with our meeting.

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a public how much are obviously very important that the public how much is to say thank you and

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please alleviate our problem that Piedmont caused and go to Piedmont and ask him to pay for

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which I probably would do or the city can go and pay for.

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Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you, Trisha.

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All right. Are there any other public comments?

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Okay. Seeing none. Let's move to the next item. On the agenda, which is the approval of the minutes. We've got the minutes of February the 22nd and we have the minutes of March the 12th and they've been previously provided. I think there have been some minor corrections that have been made to them.

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Since they were distributed, anything that you shouldn't feel like you should know, you've got the, I mean, they're mainly grammatical and that sort of thing.

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Nothing substantive that I'm aware of.

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Joy, did you have comments?

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Have corrections that were substantive?

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Yeah.

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I'm grammatical.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So everybody's had a chance to see.

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Let's, is there a motion to approve the minutes of the February 22nd, regular meeting?

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Some moved?

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Demarko.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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All right.

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Corrections or additions?

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All right.

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All in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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All right.

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Now, is the special meeting of March the 12th?

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Is there a motion to approve?

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To move?

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O'Dale?

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Second.

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Second.

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Marco, are any corrections or additions suggested? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye.

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Opposed? All right. Thank you. Okay, let's go to the next item which is the financial

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reports which we have just received and

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suggest perhaps we should take a moment to take a look

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them to see if there's any. Or if the board wants to review them at your

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leisure and send me any questions, I'll be happy to get them addressed. Again, the

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bottom line is you still remain solvent.

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Well,

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that's good.

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I think we may

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remain more than solvent. I guess a question I've got Austin is where are we

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and needing to amend the budget for this year?

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You will, in fact, I sent an email to imptast today looking for a template to do just that.

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That effort would also mirror your budget review process in any budget amendment would have to be passed.

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And adopted on-second reading prior to the close of this fiscal year.

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Okay. Then we've got April May and June. It went to readings. Right.

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Do you, is there an amount that we're going to need to change this by?

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I'm not sure yet. I think whatever the amount would be would have to be.

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Well, obviously, it's going to happen to me and I don't have to cover your minimum obligations,

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but we might just fudge it a little bit more just to make sure we've got it covered.

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And that is because of what any particular area or line item, well, personnel costs have been

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higher than what you would have projected because of the dual city managers for a while.

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Uh, you had a, uh, uh, uh, I don't know what adjective to use about the snow and ice removal

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costs.

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That's enough.

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Well, that's the one I was going to use.

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Okay.

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Those two alone, I think would drive a budget amendment.

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Obviously, I haven't had a chance to review it.

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So, I don't know.

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I guess one question, Austin, is there, you and I had a conversation about this this afternoon

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and I understand there's some technological difficulties in our

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keeping person, CPA, whatever, working remotely and getting into our system.

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Is there a fix for that so that we get them in time next time?

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Well, we can look at a short term fix to try to see if it works smoother.

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You have nothing else we're just going to carve out some time that he can be here

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and have access to the PC to do is work that's not the ideal situation, but if that's what it takes, that's what we're going to have to do.

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Well, I would request that and hope that that would work out. I mean we've got station back there where you were working temporarily, is that still available for someone?

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It's got to be configured properly, and I'm not sure that that one's configured properly.

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Because if you remember, I was on the laptop back here. I wasn't necessarily on that PC.

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Yeah, they're similar to that.

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Well, it would be, it would certainly be better for us to get these in time where we can look at them and review them at the meeting.

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He wouldn't have any, David, your speeding speed reading.

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Well, you know, I think some of these questions, if we ask,

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Austin, he'll need to talk to the accountant, so I'm probably not going to ask any questions at this time, just having seen them.

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Austin needs some time to figure out the answer, so I'll just have to email him.

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Or I'll be mine.

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What about it?

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Can you share those with the rest of us?

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Well, I know, I can't, don't admit.

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Yes.

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Well, I had to just look at myself.

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No, I mean, when you do.

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Oh, yeah.

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I thought you had any right?

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No, no, no, no.

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What ask you for your crystal ball?

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All right.

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Anybody else have any comments?

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All right.

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Well, we'll accept that.

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I'm just going to make a note here.

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All right.

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So everybody take a look at that.

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And after the meeting and if you've got any questions to provide.

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And I guess the other thing I would just say is on the format, I think we're getting to the format that we were asking for, but I just haven't really had a chance to study it.

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We've got the full year budget.

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We've got the year-to-date actual and the year for this year and year-to-date actual for last year.

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I think that's what we wanted and then the month by month.

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What I asked Mark to do was to go back and watch the video and listen to what was discussed.

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and his reports are based on what he heard on that video.

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Well, it looks like that's what I was looking for,

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is that right with you, David.

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And with the statement of cash flows,

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which is new, isn't it?

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That's new.

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That's new.

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That's good.

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I'm glad we've got that.

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And then this other version of the P&L,

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which is compared this year to last year to date and the percentage change.

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Now, do we still have the, I have to say I did like the feature when we were getting the

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percentage of budget used. That was last time because what you wanted instead of that.

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So, we didn't do that. Well, where was that? Which report was that on? Was that on this one?

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It was a, it was a different format of report that was unique to that particular month.

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Well, I, it was helpful. I mean, I see the percentage change from one year to the next,

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which is good. That's helpful. That's a helpful metric.

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But it would be helpful to also have a percentage of the budget that we already spent.

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Let's see if he can regenerate that.

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May I ask a question?

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Yes, sir.

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Paul investments.

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And I may be wrong.

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I thought I would recollect that stone wealth

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had rolled some of that cash

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into investment, the short term investments.

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Now we're looking just now here to see this.

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It seems that we went up in cash, but in basketball state we're saving them on this and so on.

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We haven't seen the transaction verification in all those yet.

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Yeah, see, we just talked about that in the last bit that the February meeting had the investment coming.

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Yeah, I remember.

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And that was the end of the February.

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So that's just a month ago.

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And this is as a February 28th.

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So the transaction had happened at that time.

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That's right.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's my interpretation.

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Okay. You by having anything else?

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All right.

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Good. Let's move on.

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Number eight. Old business.

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We don't have any old business on the agenda.

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New business.

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We have a resolution.

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And that's in your.

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Pack it must get me over something because the next thing in my packet is the calendar

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But we haven't gotten there yet

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where is

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the resolution

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I know it sent out because I was given corrections on it. I know it got out there.

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Very good. Here it is. It's resolution 22, I'm sorry. Resolution, potential spam, of course.

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At least that tells me, you got that, it was in the package.

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I just didn't have the right hand.

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It's short handed.

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OK.

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This is resolution 2022-01.

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A resolution requesting that David is an accounting election commission to hold a general election

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for the city of Oakfield, Tennessee, in 2022.

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Has everybody had a chance to review that?

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00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:59,970
So basically, I think this is just put basically papering what's already the fact I did find out that

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they told me that you're going to have an election this year and I said, well, yes.

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And I said, well, we haven't heard anything from you.

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So, just one of those things that nobody knew we needed to do, but they went ahead and the election commission put us on the ballot, so that's all taking care of.

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This is just our authorization that we need to send to them, I guess.

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00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:26,550
Yeah, I did see that I mispelled Davidson as well, so.

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And county.

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Spell, let's spell check, just didn't do it in Diddly.

401
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,240
I don't know how they bled that one through.

402
00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:40,820
I was still looking like any words I've ever seen before.

403
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,120
I think in the public wellware.

404
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:46,820
Yes, yes.

405
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Yes.

406
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:48,500
Not speaking of shoes with malware.

407
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Okay.

408
00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:54,080
So we're getting corrections.

409
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Yes.

410
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Yeah.

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I'm going to change that.

412
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Because I didn't pick up on Davidson until just now.

413
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,420
Yeah.

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00:32:00,780 --> 00:32:01,980
I'll fix that before you leave tonight.

415
00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:05,200
Because we do need to get that when executed in.

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Okay, all right, did you get county?

417
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,180
Yes. All right.

418
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So is there a motion to approve this resolution as with the spell check changes?

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The move.

420
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,140
Oh, Dale, is there a second?

421
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:23,940
Okay.

422
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,360
All right.

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Any discussion?

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All in favour?

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00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,360
Say aye.

426
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Aye.

427
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:32,720
Opposed?

428
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:33,980
Okay.

429
00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:36,180
that we will have an election.

430
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:38,860
Thank you.

431
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:42,240
All right.

432
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The next item on the agenda is an action item,

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and this action item is entitled,

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Piedmont Pipeline Issues,

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and it says Commissioner O'Dell.

436
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:54,960
Yeah, at our last meeting,

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or board workshop,

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00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:57,740
I can't remember that.

439
00:32:57,740 --> 00:32:58,700
I was in the last meeting.

440
00:32:59,420 --> 00:32:59,980
Yeah, I was,

441
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I made the statement that I thought

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that there might be some safety issues.

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along the Piedmont pipeline where I misunderstood and I heard wrong that a 5-inch pipeline

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was put in and that that was too small and that only had a 10-year life span.

445
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I had, but other done some research and the information I obtained was, or I was corrected.

446
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So I stand corrected on that statement, I think I sent an email to all of you stating that.

447
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So I've seen that there are no identifiable safety issues I would just withdraw this discussion.

448
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All right.

449
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I think she can do that.

450
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,660
Very good.

451
00:33:54,780 --> 00:34:00,300
So the corrections are your withdrawal of this safety issue statements is noted.

452
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:11,720
All right, next item, on the agenda is to discuss the fiscal year 23 budget schedule.

453
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In your packet, I've given you just calendar dates and how things are going to happen so

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that we can back things out again, the fact that on June 12th, you need to publish the public

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notice 10 days prior to June 28th, which is your final reading on that, so that has to be published 10 days prior.

456
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:42,310
So the public hearing is on the second reading.

457
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:45,310
The second reading, not like zoning change.

458
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:46,690
No, okay,

459
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:53,090
all right, let's assume that it was that mean.

460
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:58,150
Well, that means we didn't, it's just there so that it gets noticed

461
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because obviously 10 days prior to June 28th would be the 18th.

462
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:09,130
So they're just giving yourself a cushion.

463
00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:10,610
Yeah, just miss a little cushion.

464
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All right.

465
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:27,810
And our agenda, or our schedule has, well, you don't have our workshops

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and meetings on here.

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But we have a workshop on March the 12th.

468
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And that's why you got budget review.

469
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April 12th.

470
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:36,530
I'm sorry.

471
00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:39,410
Yes, and that's why I have budget review.

472
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:40,570
OK.

473
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:42,530
April 12th in the next budget review,

474
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:48,830
you've got an April 26, which is the regular meeting, final review on May 10th, okay, and

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first reading on May 24th.

476
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:53,670
I think that's what we all agreed to.

477
00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:57,690
Just a little reminder to keep everybody on track, keep the process going.

478
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:59,950
Yeah, okay, that's good,

479
00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:11,410
and at the workshop where this was discussed, some of us asked

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for some information, then understand you're going to be providing that before the war

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trial. That will be provided in your workshop back at. Again, if individual commissioners

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have any questions, get them to me and I'll address them back so that we're keeping the

483
00:36:30,610 --> 00:36:34,490
process on track. Now I have to go. I just went silent here.

484
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:39,410
So some of us, I'm still asking

485
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:58,400
questions at the workshop and I don't know not all of them were answered on the spot. Are you taking those into account as well?

486
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:01,300
I'd have to go look at the notes. I've got notes on that.

487
00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:11,490
I think we, I think we won't, you were going to get us the three prior years.

488
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:11,770
Correct.

489
00:37:12,370 --> 00:37:12,450
Yeah.

490
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:13,270
That's the information.

491
00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:15,170
That's the information.

492
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:16,170
It's going to be in your package.

493
00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:22,470
Sorry about that.

494
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:22,970
That's okay.

495
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:23,630
Okay.

496
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:26,030
Anybody else have anything on the budget process?

497
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:29,810
All right.

498
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:44,030
Okay, the next one is a rather technical issue. Local government agency, retiree, coverage election, which we found out about, I guess, because I got an email from some state agency.

499
00:37:45,430 --> 00:38:00,230
And they said you had to respond by March 31, so I immediately sent that to Austin, and apparently we have an election to make on as I understand it is for pre-65 retiree health insurance.

500
00:38:00,230 --> 00:38:08,170
Okay, so if somebody retires before their 65, would we continue to provide them health insurance

501
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:16,630
or would they be able to get health insurance through the state, right, health insurance system?

502
00:38:17,710 --> 00:38:25,650
And I also had to kind of do you know any more about whether there's any cost to us if they, if they do make that choice?

503
00:38:25,650 --> 00:38:48,970
In my research, I found the chart for the retiree cost, and I went to the handbook for retirees and it states that if you opt for that, that premium amount gets taken out of your pension payment, which tells me that the retiree is paying for it.

504
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,040
So why did they ask us whether we elect to do it or not?

505
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:57,580
it's state government.

506
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,880
Is that, I'm not laying it in your lab with a situation.

507
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:07,540
Well,

508
00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:08,360
you know,

509
00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:16,560
they do give us a number to record as a liability for that obligation for

510
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:23,740
the retirement benefit, because it's a fine benefit plan, not a fine contribution plan.

511
00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:32,100
And so I, you know, it could be that that's the way they're paying it, but ultimately we have to fund that plan.

512
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:41,440
So I don't know if we still end up having to fund it by the more, if there's not enough for the retirement method because they took it out of that.

513
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:48,860
You know, it's probably something we can't decide on tonight. I don't know. And we've got a,

514
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:57,340
131 so you know we we're already in this plan as I understand it if we're

515
00:39:57,340 --> 00:40:02,020
nothing we stay in this plan that is great we can let out at any time that's

516
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:07,560
also if we wanted to so that any time but then once you elect out you can't get

517
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:14,280
back in correct so I wouldn't rush to do anything tonight not having a study

518
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,660
it more than we have. And right now you've got nobody on it.

519
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:24,290
So applicable, right?

520
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:31,170
Correct. Well, we had one retiree who might have been, but I don't understand that he didn't

521
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:34,950
know this. He's over using it. He wasn't when he retired.

522
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,480
So we already are recording

523
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:50,000
an obligation for that? Yes. That's what we don't have anybody. Well, there is an obligation

524
00:40:50,000 --> 00:41:00,720
for the retirement benefit. That's all that weird stuff that's only right. So whether it's

525
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:11,960
higher or not because we're in this particular plan, I don't know. But I wouldn't make

526
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,320
a knee jerk reaction to change it, even though I might not agree with it. I think that with employee

527
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:25,340
benefits, you need to have, if we did anything, I think we would have it not applied to anybody

528
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:31,100
that's hired down the road in the future, you know, rather than, that would be my thought.

529
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,140
I wonder if you can do that. I wonder if that election is open.

530
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:43,580
Yeah, that's good question. Well, I've dealt relative to active employees only while

531
00:41:43,580 --> 00:41:47,920
continue to provide coverage to those who are retired and are on the plan.

532
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,780
That means if you've got somebody already on the plan, you're going to continue to cover

533
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:55,260
them, which you don't have anybody on that plan right now.

534
00:41:55,580 --> 00:42:01,660
But it would, if you would not be able to cover, you would not be covering current employees

535
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:04,440
that is correct, that is correct, that is correct.

536
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,880
But again, a commissioner to Michael's correct, you if you stay optin, you can always opt

537
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,680
out a later date and since you don't have anybody close, you could take, you know, more

538
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,220
time to look at this and figure out how it gets funded.

539
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:28,460
My only thought is that the funding mechanism might be within the percentage of each city's

540
00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:34,980
pay into the IMRF, wrong state, into the TCRS.

541
00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:46,050
currently ours is 2.13%. If we had a pre-65 retiree on the health plan, it might go up.

542
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,060
But I don't know that for a fact.

543
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Is there a retirement age in all of this?

544
00:42:56,230 --> 00:43:05,310
For TCRS, it's a formula. You can have 55 and I think it's 30 years vested and you can retire.

545
00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:08,530
Let me get sounds right.

546
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:13,810
I think that's right because Jeff was in the time 65, but he retired, and he was

547
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:16,830
in the head of the State, and he was best at him in the time that he retired.

548
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:25,310
It's a combination of years of service and age.

549
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,200
I think it's 55.

550
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,340
I said I could remember that far back.

551
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:57,940
55, probably. 18 years ago. Okay, so the recalendation that we're we've seen

552
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:03,300
because of is that we that we do not do anything on this at this time. It looks

553
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:10,020
like David that we would not be able to do anything until this time again next year.

554
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,420
It looks like it's for the planned years of the language that I was seeing in here.

555
00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:26,230
If you are, if you are continued opt-in now, your agency can opt out later by timely submitting an election form in a subsequent planned year.

556
00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:28,530
Okay. Okay.

557
00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:36,370
But anyway, I mean, that would just be another year of us doing what we're doing now when we don't have any free 65 retirees for a trip.

558
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:36,770
Right.

559
00:44:36,850 --> 00:44:40,470
Apply to you so it doesn't seem like, so we can just do nothing.

560
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:40,950
Yes.

561
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:41,070
Yes.

562
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:43,930
Is there a motion?

563
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:45,750
Anybody want to just go?

564
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:46,690
I'm out of motion.

565
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:48,010
Yeah.

566
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:51,850
I can come up with a lot of that.

567
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:52,890
We got it here.

568
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:55,730
Well, actually your motion would be to maintain the status quo,

569
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:56,750
which we dropped in.

570
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:57,610
Okay.

571
00:44:57,610 --> 00:44:58,710
That's much easier.

572
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:59,550
Motion's a main thing.

573
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,060
That's what I used. I will second that was it who made the motion? Okay. All right. Good. I missed that. Adele moved you quick. And

574
00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:21,940
DeLuca second motion to my kitchen. That's what maintain the status quo with respect to this local government retiree coverage.

575
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:25,780
All right, any further discussion of that?

576
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:27,720
All in favor say aye.

577
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:29,920
Opposed?

578
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,260
Okay.

579
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,420
Very good.

580
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:34,260
Thank you.

581
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:40,960
Next item is to review and approve the city manager employment agreement.

582
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:49,360
Now, I can tell part of the story and tell part of the story I suppose as well.

583
00:45:49,360 --> 00:46:19,160
We worked, after our last meeting, as you know, and Austin sent us a contract that, then, I worked on some with Patty coming over and with Austin, and we got it into the form that we've been using, which is basically a letter agreement or a letter offer that they accept rather than an agreement.

584
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:26,320
since the city manager isn't at will employ and we've been through that and so we decided

585
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,660
to go back with the letter agreement that we've used in the past.

586
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,360
So that's what we're using now and that's what Austin sent to you today.

587
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:44,000
Earlier I sent it but the final hard copy is at relocations.

588
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Okay so we've got it here.

589
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:54,900
So there are some changes from what you originally saw, particularly with respect to the compensation.

590
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:56,020
Here we go.

591
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,720
It's the one that's got the coverage page.

592
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,860
So the compensation salary paragraph 3 is probably the most substantive change.

593
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:25,540
And that is that the salary will be $120,000 per year, but here's the language after a successful six-month evaluation, the salary may be increased to $125,000 per year.

594
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,340
That was our top salary and the advertisement that we had offered or said was available.

595
00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:40,840
He wanted that, but Patty actually was the one who came up with this idea and so it sounded

596
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:48,220
good to me and I hope that it will to you all as well and I fully expect that we will

597
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:54,340
have a successful six month evaluation but I think what that means is that we need to early

598
00:47:54,340 --> 00:48:02,880
and his tenure, we need to have probably a retreat or a group session where we set forth for

599
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,680
him what those evaluations, that what that evaluation is going to be based on, so that we'll

600
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,920
know what a successful one is, yes sir.

601
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,460
What I just heard is that after six months you're going to have a retreat and all that kind

602
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:24,320
of good stuff and establish the parameters that you're going to measure him against for the

603
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:30,780
at six months. If I said that, I miss what we did that. I'm at the beginning. Yeah, at the beginning

604
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:46,920
we need to establish that. Thank you. Yeah. So that's the biggest change. The annual leave, that was

605
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:58,180
something that was not, well, so we added in here, our benefits policy, or I guess that's

606
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:05,960
what you call it, is in this city ordinance 15-1, which, you know, we've seen from time

607
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:13,080
to time, and it establishes vacation time, and essentially you do not earn any until after

608
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:21,280
your first year of being here, which, you know, I think certain for the city manager did not

609
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:29,940
was not agreeable with that, I think he wanted three weeks of vacation and Patty, I think

610
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:36,180
was our chief negotiator on this and she got him to agree to two plus a week of sick leave.

611
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:48,960
So, that's what we came down with that, and any other changes of anything, or the way to find calls.

612
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,460
We defined that in the Severance Compensation paragraph 10.

613
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:01,670
So, well, if you look on, so if you look at paragraph 10, look at the page.

614
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:11,730
All right, now look up there at the carryover and you'll see if termination is for cause including but not limited to.

615
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:16,620
Okay, and it also has.

616
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:26,560
Okay.

617
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:36,940
Now, as I read this, so we have, after six months, we would review upon successful six month evaluation.

618
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:46,800
we're going to 1.5 and then we would then have another increase to consider for their physical

619
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:55,600
year beginning July 1, 20, 20, 23. So those would be within six months apart. But none are guaranteed.

620
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Yeah. Yeah, they'd be your budget year value. I think those are the main differences.

621
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:10,220
Let me ask you, you know, this is really just a terrible question or recollection.

622
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:17,740
We had gone up, did we go up to 100% for all health insurance contributions?

623
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:21,880
Well, the prior board did.

624
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:23,160
The prior board did.

625
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:24,280
Okay.

626
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:27,140
So it's,

627
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:36,130
I'll just give me, I thought when I looked at the all-in package on this,

628
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:38,840
it was,

629
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,180
I thought I saw a 75% was the kind of radiation.

630
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:43,840
Is it 100%.

631
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:44,980
Yeah.

632
00:51:47,820 --> 00:51:48,020
Okay.

633
00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:48,620
I'm sorry.

634
00:51:49,340 --> 00:51:49,760
I'm sorry.

635
00:51:50,980 --> 00:51:55,280
The budget that I build does reflect the family health care.

636
00:51:55,300 --> 00:52:00,980
I think what you might be referring to is annotated that there may be a possibility that

637
00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:04,120
the district secretary of the individual does not need family health care.

638
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:04,260
Okay.

639
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:05,460
That's how much is that.

640
00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:06,300
Yeah.

641
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:07,140
And it might be lower.

642
00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:13,380
got it. That's what that's what Patty did indicating. Okay.

643
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:18,580
I think I think that's I think that's all.

644
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:25,380
Well, I made that we approved this offer of employment letter and authorized Mayor to sign it.

645
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,100
Okay, that's a good motion.

646
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:27,900
Second.

647
00:52:28,220 --> 00:52:29,960
All right, very good. Just to.

648
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:50,780
A little bit more discussion is I had a call with Steve this afternoon and he is not ready to sign the agreement, not because he is not going to sign it, but because his mayor is out of town, and he wants to tell him in person, rather than over the phone, that he's taken another position.

649
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:57,280
And so he asked if we could live with that, and I said, well, you know, or do you agree?

650
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,600
I mean, all the changes have been made, and he said, yes, that's all fine.

651
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,980
He just wanted the courtesy of this, and so I told him that that would work, and that I thought

652
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:12,100
we could do it this way, that we would approve the agreement, and authorize me to sign it,

653
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:15,640
and then we'll get his signature on it within a week or so.

654
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,760
So rather than us having another meeting for this special meeting, just for that purpose,

655
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:27,240
And are we certain that the start day would be June 1 or is that still an

656
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,000
negotiable?

657
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,540
Well, I'm just saying what he told me the day was he said, you know, they

658
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:35,040
could tell me, thank you very much.

659
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,580
We've got somebody else who we're going to bring in, or they could say, oh, gosh,

660
00:53:39,580 --> 00:53:41,960
you know, we need to keep you for the full 45 days.

661
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,260
That would just be the agreement does say on or before.

662
00:53:46,260 --> 00:53:53,360
So, given that it says honor before, and again, as the mayor stated, it all depends on how

663
00:53:53,360 --> 00:54:00,280
their board reacts, it could be, thank you for honoring your commitment, but have a nice

664
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:00,820
day.

665
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,980
You know, we'll see you.

666
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:06,100
Which would be a nice outcome for everybody.

667
00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:11,620
They could say, could they say,

668
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,440
well, I don't know when the mayor will be back, but could

669
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:24,500
they say, no, we want to keep him here until June 1, which will be more than 45 days.

670
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,560
I didn't understand that I'm sorry.

671
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:42,860
Yeah, the way it says, it'll commence on the 4 June 1, and somehow I remember he has to give 45 days notice,

672
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:52,760
but so if he gives notice to the mayor, say one week from now, which would be April 1, he should be able to go May 15.

673
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,320
my miss something there yeah no I think it's generally right yeah it wouldn't

674
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,460
quite be able one but it would be closed in the I think the 45 day should

675
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:11,420
run so we're not okay well we don't think he but it's he's not gonna are we

676
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:22,740
making it clear we don't want the city of Miller's Bell to say no you have to

677
00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:33,310
I don't have, he told us forty-five days.

678
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:42,420
And I don't take you can, well, we are at will employees, we are not indentured

679
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:46,420
servants and when you're 40, when you're times up, you're times up.

680
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:48,970
Okay.

681
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:53,330
So, with all that explanation, is there any other discussion?

682
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:59,330
The motion is to approve the offer of employment letter and to authorize the mayor's sign.

683
00:56:00,470 --> 00:56:04,650
and we've got a motion in a second. Any discussion?

684
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:09,010
I'm trying to get us to seven o'clock.

685
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:16,270
I'm trying to get us to seven o'clock.

686
00:56:16,270 --> 00:56:16,890
All in favor.

687
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:19,730
All in favor, please say aye.

688
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:20,490
Aye.

689
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:21,570
Opposed?

690
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:22,970
Okay.

691
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:23,990
Very good.

692
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:28,230
Bobo, and that is approved.

693
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:31,010
So, that's bad.

694
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:31,990
It must be a wager.

695
00:56:34,930 --> 00:56:38,270
That's the end of our action items.

696
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:41,470
The next item, or staff reports.

697
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:45,990
And Tommy Campsey, safety.

698
00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:50,230
Hello, everyone.

699
00:56:51,310 --> 00:56:55,810
As usual, I try to get you an email out to report to crime reports.

700
00:56:55,810 --> 00:57:02,110
but it has just a little bit of difficulty in doing that in the last 30 days. Metro Mittell,

701
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:08,650
police precinct has a new commander and has a new supporting staff. And so I have a new

702
00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:15,330
lieutenant. His name is Ryan Hampton, that I'm supposed to be getting my information from. And

703
00:57:15,330 --> 00:57:23,550
so instead of getting them daily, like I used to, they've got me down to one day a week, which is on

704
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:33,170
So last Friday I did not get my reports because he took off, so that's why you didn't get an email for me prior to the night's meeting.

705
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:38,270
But I did talk to him today and he updated me for the last two weeks.

706
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:40,370
We have zero crime and okay.

707
00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:41,830
I'm glad to report that.

708
00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:46,150
I'm going to win and hopefully we'll be on time with our reports going forward.

709
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:52,070
So we just have that little change Metro used to have a

710
00:57:52,070 --> 00:57:58,250
Comstat precinct report that they did every week on Thursdays and they eliminated

711
00:57:58,250 --> 00:58:04,990
that meeting and they used to have a department of wide meeting on Fridays every week

712
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:16,110
and they've eliminated that. So they're dependent back to the precincts for their

713
00:58:16,110 --> 00:58:22,930
your emails accordingly. Instead of I'm just trying to get them out as quickly as I can

714
00:58:22,930 --> 00:58:27,370
want to get them. So if you have any comments or if you have any questions, certainly

715
00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:34,070
call me any time and I can require a further. Thank you. Thank you.

716
00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:40,730
Thank you. Thank you. The questions group. Thank you. Okay. Next item is report from the Acting

717
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:43,850
City Manager. I sent you all an email regarding the Snapchat

718
00:58:43,850 --> 00:58:50,690
COVID installations, which are currently ongoing, those are going actually pretty well.

719
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:59,730
I think they work on hill view today, I think, that was a big one, but seems to be

720
00:58:59,730 --> 00:59:00,710
going quite well.

721
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:09,010
As an aside, based on some other discussions, I've started the ground work to find out

722
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:16,070
about the possibility of providing a short term disability insurance and life insurance

723
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:17,050
for the employees.

724
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:23,810
I've reached out to one company in Chattanooga, an outfit called Hoonham.

725
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:32,130
They were providing those services to Boone County when I was there.

726
00:59:33,110 --> 00:59:37,090
After we went through that getting the Bids process,

727
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:39,090
So it's kind of like taking their process and

728
00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:43,110
weren't it just staying with that one and going that way, but again

729
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:45,530
I just started on that

730
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:48,590
a few days ago, we haven't got any information back on that

731
00:59:50,910 --> 00:59:56,250
Other than that, we're just trying to stop out the force fires as best we can and keep everything on track

732
01:00:01,060 --> 01:00:10,300
Also, do you know whether PEDMOT is going to cave Franklin Road after they're completed with their construction?

733
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:27,240
That I don't know. That's probably more of a T. dot question. It would make, and again, I can only surmise. It might make sense that on that one lane they go back over and grind it and then do an overlay. But again, I don't know what's in there.

734
01:00:27,820 --> 01:00:33,960
a plan, so that I can certainly check with my local maintenance guy at T-Dot and see if you can

735
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,180
show any light on that.

736
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:35,420
All right.

737
01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:35,800
Thank you.

738
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,100
I'll do that, sure.

739
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,680
The street is a little bit rough right now.

740
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,560
I mean, I know they're still working on it, but yeah, I could add some input to that.

741
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:50,420
I've been speaking with the team when they were in front of my house and I raised that

742
01:00:50,420 --> 01:00:57,580
question, the commissioner of geologists brought up. And past history is they will attack

743
01:00:57,580 --> 01:01:03,360
go back and replace that single lane that was dug up. In fact, there's still a metal plate

744
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:10,060
right now by willing to church is so it's not official that they will do it. But I think

745
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:16,420
right now it's just weather related and once the springtime weather and the pavement asphalt

746
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:21,380
companies crank back up. I think they'll be back out to do it. Again, that's just based on

747
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,860
conversation with me and some of them or some of their team.

748
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:29,640
One other comment kind of related that

749
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:36,320
you had mentioned that Google fiber had come to you and just kind of threw out a trial balloon and

750
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:42,380
didn't ask for any permission or anything or any comments. They just said we're looking at

751
01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:52,200
The possibility of cutting a 1 foot deep trench, 1 inch wide, laying cable underneath the street.

752
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,840
Yeah, this one will be about the process, you haven't heard anything.

753
01:01:55,580 --> 01:02:00,460
And I know Franklin Road is not our, we're not, not our responsibility.

754
01:02:01,380 --> 01:02:03,060
But it's torn up now.

755
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:10,260
And if they wanted to run Google Fiber all the way down to Brentwood, now would be a good time for him to do it.

756
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:15,900
if they're going to pre-pave all over the top, don't disagree with that at all

757
01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:19,730
and it wouldn't affect us.

758
01:02:21,350 --> 01:02:31,970
The, yeah, some of you if you travel outside of Oak Hill, you can see what the tracks look like and they're definitely there.

759
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:38,540
Okay, anybody else have any questions or comments or yes, sir?

760
01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:44,580
This is city manager. If I may follow up on the open ticket with the culverts on

761
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:49,300
Hogan Road and Regent, do you have any further status updates from May?

762
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:54,970
That's Metro, right? That's gonna do that.

763
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,600
Let me just follow up on that is that.

764
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:08,580
Council member Courtney Johnson had something out on social media last week about some work

765
01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:14,840
was going to be done there in hooking road and she and I call her and left a message and

766
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,060
she texted me back and we've exchanged messages but it was I was going to inquire what

767
01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:21,860
is the scope of that and what are they going to do? Do you know that?

768
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:28,680
I do. What is it? They're going to be doing some work to regrade some stuff to get the water

769
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:36,200
off of the sheet flow off of whatever street that is and repair the bulkhead. That's in

770
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:43,540
area on the other side of the interstate and the railroad or on our side. On the Metro side.

771
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:55,360
Right. And so I spoke with Jim in the name Tom Palco. He's the deputy director for Stormwater.

772
01:03:55,940 --> 01:04:04,240
He said, oh, okay, that's good. And oh, by the way, I have this ticket. And he said that they would look into that in May when they're there.

773
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:09,860
So, if there's anything that needs to be done, they will do it in conjunction with that project.

774
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,580
What about cleaning out the culvert that goes from ragland under all of that?

775
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:19,060
To the other side.

776
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:20,560
They're going to clean that out.

777
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,560
Well, that's what they said is they will, if there's any maintenance that needs to be done,

778
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,020
they will do it when they're there doing that project in May.

779
01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:38,130
I mean, I know they've got a big problem on their side because they can create a lake over there.

780
01:04:38,910 --> 01:04:41,790
But ours is running water.

781
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:47,230
Well, that's good news. I guess we'll see what they do.

782
01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:49,690
We'll see.

783
01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:51,030
All right.

784
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:55,550
Any other questions or comments for the City Manager report?

785
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:04,160
City Attorney, do you have any report or should we have an executive session later on as we have on the agenda?

786
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,180
I'm reading the one if anyone has questions, in the case there's nothing

787
01:05:16,570 --> 01:05:17,210
like that.

788
01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:26,440
The negotiations are not closed,

789
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:35,240
but that stands for, but I can talk to you about that for a very long time.

790
01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:43,920
And then I wrote a couple of opinion letters that anybody has questions.

791
01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:53,090
Okay.

792
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,840
Deal with that when we get to that, which is coming up.

793
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,320
So sound for public comments.

794
01:06:04,900 --> 01:06:09,100
Is there Mr. Krinshaw come back at the stage of name, please,

795
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:10,760
and you're addressing it, please.

796
01:06:12,730 --> 01:06:15,050
Name is Nate Krinshaw, and I'm 32,

797
01:06:15,330 --> 01:06:16,370
Farstekers Court.

798
01:06:17,090 --> 01:06:20,410
I'm sort of a easy-going guy, and I've sort of waited four years

799
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:23,990
to find out about the storm, water, drainage,

800
01:06:24,450 --> 01:06:26,910
and I have on our street, I'm going to call it that.

801
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:29,910
And I hadn't got an answer, and I don't

802
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:37,770
of this because my lack of following through are the engineers coming up and looking at it.

803
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:43,130
We've got a tremendous amount of storm water that belongs to O'Keele.

804
01:06:43,610 --> 01:06:51,330
It's destroying our street and our houses and I need an answer of what somebody's going to do.

805
01:06:55,570 --> 01:06:56,850
Can anybody address that?

806
01:06:57,530 --> 01:07:03,890
I don't know that anybody here can, I don't know whether the city manager can.

807
01:07:08,740 --> 01:07:13,340
I'd have to go look and see if there's been a work order created, you know, going

808
01:07:13,340 --> 01:07:14,300
go from there.

809
01:07:14,860 --> 01:07:15,620
Again, it all does.

810
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:19,840
Depthails back into your stormwater master plan study.

811
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,360
And again, what we do here might impact somebody downstream even worse than they've got

812
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:24,920
it now.

813
01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:25,920
So that's a factor.

814
01:07:26,820 --> 01:07:29,700
Mr. Crenshaw is the first one downstream.

815
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:59,980
The President, I think. Well, and so there's that answer officially, I guess I would just say, if you want to contact the city manager tomorrow, whatever, and get a definitive answer, because we are working on our process of when concerns like this are raised, when they get to this public opinion.

816
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:08,080
works contractor work contractor work on it, when does he close the ticket, etc. So you know there

817
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:15,060
should be there should be a paper trail and if there's not you can start one finally and see where

818
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:21,880
it goes and hopefully it'll get to an answer for you. I came here about a year ago, I believe

819
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:28,240
maybe a little more than a year ago and talked to the city engineer and he said there was a plan

820
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:36,200
to bring in a piece of equipment that cleans out all the culverts, and that's a big piece of equipment

821
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,740
and they had to have enough jobs in front of it to bring it in.

822
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:47,030
I can only rent it for one day, or okay, I can only rent that piece of equipment that belongs to

823
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:57,120
contractor or whatever, but we've never seen that activity and there's a ditch that's

824
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:06,280
across from my house, all the water coming off that humongous hill where the water tank used to be,

825
01:09:06,860 --> 01:09:13,460
is coming down that coming across the street into my yard and into my next door neighbor's yard because

826
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:17,440
the ditching deep enough and the covers are not cleaned up.

827
01:09:17,980 --> 01:09:21,640
I let that water take the course that should take on down the hill.

828
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,260
And so that would be the situation.

829
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:32,580
All right. Oh, those culverts are just kind of city attorney and I'm just trying to find out the facts.

830
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,200
They're driveway culverts.

831
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:39,440
They're driveway culverts. Have you spoken to the owners of those about their need to clean those out?

832
01:09:40,220 --> 01:09:41,160
Oh, yes.

833
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,020
And no action on that.

834
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,740
And you've lived at this property, how long?

835
01:09:48,740 --> 01:09:50,800
Fifty-five, fifty-three years?

836
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:59,620
I know you're not an engineer but do you have a guess as to what you think is causing this?

837
01:09:59,860 --> 01:10:03,040
Is it the failure of these folks to clean their culverts out?

838
01:10:03,260 --> 01:10:07,800
Or is there something else that you would say you think is causing this problem?

839
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:14,800
I think it's across my house as the ditch is not deep enough.

840
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,380
that matches the elevation of the call works.

841
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,500
How are up that it used to be deeper, is that what you're saying?

842
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:28,800
And so looking at a lot of the streets around where they come in and clean out the ditches,

843
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,520
they make a pretty good dip down in there.

844
01:10:33,060 --> 01:10:37,280
And so I don't know, it's going to take an engineer to do it.

845
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:41,780
I work for DOT for nine years and you know,

846
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:49,740
around for a lot of the engineers and so I know something needs to be done with the storm

847
01:10:49,740 --> 01:10:54,520
water drainage and it might need to take an engineer to come out and give an engineer

848
01:10:54,520 --> 01:11:02,020
to report and we are losing pavement on the street where it's coming across the street and

849
01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:08,780
not going into the covers and it looks like down at the bottom of the street looks like our

850
01:11:08,780 --> 01:11:12,340
Secretary Scores are going to need to be repaid soon.

851
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:21,300
Well thank you and we appreciate your comments and I understand what you're telling us

852
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:26,520
and I think you made your point with the city manager that we need to at least follow up

853
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,200
and find out, you know, who you.

854
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:33,820
I'll make a time with me, I'm just got through three surgeries out in the last four months

855
01:11:33,820 --> 01:11:39,540
and so I've been off from my landscape business at my labor for my son.

856
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,420
I asked him to pay me what I wanted, and he said there's a minimum wise law we couldn't do that.

857
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:50,580
Okay.

858
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:51,560
All right.

859
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:52,580
Thank you.

860
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:55,840
Okay.

861
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,600
No other public comments.

862
01:11:58,020 --> 01:12:00,260
I'm going to close that portion of the meeting.

863
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:05,020
Now it's time for board requests for future agenda items.

864
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,260
Is there Commissioner O'Dell?

865
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:09,060
Anything?

866
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:27,440
I would like to discuss and we'll discuss the trash situation and the request for additional funding to break even.

867
01:12:30,940 --> 01:12:33,330
Okay, there's a discussion on that.

868
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:34,660
Yes sir.

869
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,060
I tend to have that on your workshop agenda.

870
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:37,760
Okay.

871
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,840
Which will then get it to the board agenda.

872
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,320
Thank you. Thank you.

873
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:47,820
Commissioner de Marco.

874
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:49,240
No, no.

875
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,040
Attend items.

876
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:51,760
Excuse me.

877
01:12:52,400 --> 01:13:01,870
I'd like to consider authorizing other garbage collection forms.

878
01:13:02,770 --> 01:13:04,850
You want to make a second collection.

879
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:10,450
Be able to hire somebody other than clean earth.

880
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:13,450
They've increased that.

881
01:13:14,130 --> 01:13:19,390
from twenty-five dollars was thirty to thirty-five I think is what it may have been

882
01:13:19,390 --> 01:13:24,730
from twenty-five to twenty-five to thirty-five to thirty-five and so right now

883
01:13:24,730 --> 01:13:30,650
the folks like me they're getting the second pickup you're faced with them

884
01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:37,390
in my nappily you know I've been reading their contract it it didn't seem like

885
01:13:37,390 --> 01:13:49,690
they had the sole right to pick up that second, they, I think they use the first pick-up

886
01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:59,630
is I'll read the contract and the city laws. They hire the first pick-up and it allows

887
01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:06,090
anybody they want to, whoever wants to can go and power clean earth or somebody else,

888
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:13,070
But you got to get a permit, is I read it from the city manager,

889
01:14:15,230 --> 01:14:17,410
or it's design-need.

890
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:27,820
And we need to clarify exactly, you know, you don't want to just qualify, or I ask the city

891
01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:34,820
manager to designate just anybody, you want somebody that's qualified, you know, somebody

892
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:42,380
like Grace, who's been around forever. And then there's another one of Franklin to

893
01:14:42,380 --> 01:14:51,340
expose all the things a lot of work for at Forest Hills. There's one called, I think it's

894
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:59,920
Griffin, they understand they do a very little bit of work for folks in forest hills.

895
01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:05,730
But, you know, the way I say it, competitions, good, and you know,

896
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,700
I'd like to see maybe, you know, there's

897
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:21,240
I understand the two services that use or use the most in forest hills are grays in Franklin.

898
01:15:22,260 --> 01:15:29,240
I haven't called, I call Franklin. I don't think they return my call. I call grays, and I said, how much would

899
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:35,200
single pickup they all are Friday they said $30. I gave them my address too.

900
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:38,940
So

901
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:45,480
anyhow I'd like to see if we can get that authorized. Or maybe graves and Franklin

902
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:48,080
or at least graves, graves.

903
01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:54,060
Okay well that sounds like that should be part of the workshop

904
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:56,400
other discussion. Yeah, that's right.

905
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:04,240
You had that, please, again. Okay. Is that? Is that it?

906
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:12,060
Yeah, that's it, okay. So I have a couple of things. One is we talked about, at our last

907
01:16:12,060 --> 01:16:20,360
me, we talked about the land disturbance ordinance and the status of that. And I think we discussed

908
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:29,400
whether that would turn out to be a zoning ordinance or not, I just sense is that it would

909
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,800
not, but I don't know, I haven't heard an official ruling on that, we probably need to figure

910
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:34,380
that out.

911
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:41,640
But my point is that, and the catastrophic buildback ordinance that we talked about, which would

912
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:48,900
be a zoning ordinance, all fell into a comments about, well, Steve Snow, Stephen Snow

913
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:55,280
has some ideas for zoning changes or tweaks that he would like to share with us and about having

914
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:01,640
a meeting with him. So I would like to get that meeting sooner rather than later so that we

915
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,520
can get started on that.

916
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:09,430
So I would like to have that added to the agenda. I assume that

917
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:18,190
would be a workshop item as well. And Martial, do you know whether a land disturbance

918
01:17:18,190 --> 01:17:25,470
sort as they've got one in for us to. Is that a zoning ordinance or? I don't know where it is.

919
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:33,090
It probably is addressed in their zoning ordinance, but in looking at on a 14-year-old

920
01:17:33,090 --> 01:17:39,170
zoning in land use control, you can add a chapter in land use disturbance.

921
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:43,290
It would not be an amendment of the zoning ordinance.

922
01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:45,350
Yeah, it's only chapter one chapter one.

923
01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:45,650
Yeah.

924
01:17:45,650 --> 01:17:47,930
So you can organize there's the way you want to

925
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:50,520
go.

926
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:51,200
Good.

927
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,860
Can I follow up on that topic?

928
01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:54,360
Yeah.

929
01:17:55,620 --> 01:17:59,720
If that, if the land disturbance ordinance is not a zoning ordinance, then I would like

930
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,160
to just separate that out.

931
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:05,820
And when we can talk about it with Stephen, as well, because you know, he

932
01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:08,400
coach would be in charge of enforcing it.

933
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,240
So I think getting his views on it is a good idea.

934
01:18:12,380 --> 01:18:14,420
But I would really like to move that forward.

935
01:18:14,420 --> 01:18:21,480
I think that's part of our stormwater issue and I think we need to address that sooner rather than later.

936
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,820
So I would like to get that on a discussion with Stephen.

937
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:38,600
And then with the idea that we would move forward with an ordinance for the land disturbance and also an ordinance on the catastrophic building back.

938
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:47,360
And I think we can also include in there, and that would be a great thing to include in the discussion.

939
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:54,780
What's Stephen? Is this permit completion time? I think we've got.

940
01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:55,640
Yeah.

941
01:18:56,340 --> 01:18:57,780
And I had something on that.

942
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:58,460
Yes, sir.

943
01:18:58,780 --> 01:19:01,580
I happened to be in a mediation today.

944
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,060
And that issue came up about when the permit expires and forced hills.

945
01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:13,340
Now understand it's 18 months and you've got to renew it I think it's I was told just recently that it's 18 months here

946
01:19:14,860 --> 01:19:18,800
18 months and you can do the program that you've got to pay your fees

947
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,480
Okay, you have to pay a fee. I don't know what the fee is

948
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:29,600
That's same thing here. So you pay a new fee. I don't know if it's the same thing but you pay a fee

949
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,660
I don't know if I thought my head had a look at them.

950
01:19:35,020 --> 01:19:36,620
We got that house on print.

951
01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:40,020
Redview that seems like it's been more than 18 months.

952
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:40,900
And I'm battery.

953
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,160
There's another one on time.

954
01:19:44,420 --> 01:19:47,100
The one on print, two years, going on two years,

955
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,660
is been the subject of several hearings in City Court.

956
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:56,700
And the neighbors really, the sins were committed years ago

957
01:19:56,700 --> 01:20:02,240
when they got pulled a permit and didn't do anything for years and so now he's finally

958
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:10,800
getting it done but to no one's satisfaction but the city judge and the city court have been monitoring

959
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:19,500
that and it looks like as as as bothersome as that is to have to come every month and make him come in

960
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:26,020
here and it's it's moving the project along the only alternative the judge has considered

961
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:33,640
stopping the permit and saying you got to go back and get a new one. Well, that would penalize

962
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:40,240
him. He would have to pay for a new permit. But he would get 18 more months. So the neighbors

963
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:45,200
are like, wait, we'd rather stay on top of him and they can come in here every month to get

964
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:53,900
it done. And that seems to be having some effect. It's not perfect, but at least it's not going

965
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:58,960
years where it's not being monitored and that's what happened. The contract had other jobs

966
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:04,820
and it looked like he was using that as a dumping site and that the other jobs apparently

967
01:21:04,820 --> 01:21:10,400
were more lucrative so he worked on those first and then just used that place to have a dumpster

968
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:17,180
and come and dump stuff there and that goes on two or three years and neighbors get tired of it.

969
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:26,280
I was up there to one of the neighbors in the last week and there has been a lot of activity

970
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:27,020
at that house.

971
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:33,180
It's very different when I drove up there about a month ago, even the Porter John is

972
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:39,180
now in the behind the house rather than sitting out on the front corner where it's been.

973
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:45,080
But now the question is, and this is probably a good question to bring up because we're

974
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:54,460
where they call swales and swales and so forth and culverts, and that is that the way

975
01:21:54,460 --> 01:22:01,180
that the property it has been graded, he's graded it in such a way that he's created a

976
01:22:01,180 --> 01:22:07,360
cliff that, you know, there's several terraces. There's one short one, then there's a long one

977
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:12,000
in front of the house and it goes down some more, there's kind of the side yard, and then it just goes

978
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:21,960
And meanwhile the question is where is the stormwater ditch and it's it's all clogged up and it's called that's completely blocked

979
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:27,940
But there is a drainage ditch that goes along with a front of the first and second

980
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:29,400
terraces

981
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:29,980
when you get

982
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:41,120
Under the second terrace, it's just wide open. And that's where their problem has been, because the water's been coming off there. Now, he's preparing to put a lot of bails of hay and stuff like that there.

983
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:48,700
But the water's coming off of there and just spreading across people's yards and then, you know, creating a flood.

984
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:57,820
And that raises the question that keeps coming up and that is whose responsibility is it to make sure that there is a drainage ditch.

985
01:22:57,820 --> 01:23:01,780
And that it is adequate, at least at the time it's constructed.

986
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:05,500
Well, we can enforce our ordinances.

987
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,880
And do we have an ordinance that requires a ditch?

988
01:23:08,220 --> 01:23:11,620
I'm not aware of that, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

989
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,880
This issue that you're bringing up about storm on a runoff from that site

990
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,000
has not been a subject of the court hearings.

991
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,420
The subject of the court hearings has been when you're going to finish.

992
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:29,300
You've got an unfinished house with a dumpster in the front and mud in the front yard for months and years.

993
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,940
That's been the topic of discussion.

994
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:37,400
I will say, I've never seen a yard graded like that.

995
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:43,240
I don't know how that what you had originally, as you had a street that just went like this.

996
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:47,580
And so if you had a house on the street, your front yard just slope, right?

997
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:49,240
The driveway was here.

998
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:52,500
Well, he wanted a flat yard.

999
01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:57,600
So he put a bunch of filter in and then on this end it just sharply turns down

1000
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:03,040
So he just totally altered the grade of the earth apparently it was permitted

1001
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:09,860
So as soon as all as long as I've been involved with it, which is last April or May that yard's been like that

1002
01:24:09,860 --> 01:24:11,260
So that was approved

1003
01:24:11,260 --> 01:24:16,120
So apparently some time ago and apparently in accordance with city standards

1004
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,160
But I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. It looks like somebody's

1005
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,580
planning on doing that just down the street here on Franklin Road on the east side

1006
01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:31,300
where there's a sloped yard and they're just framing up the house now

1007
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:34,640
but they have dumped, I don't know how many loads in the front yard

1008
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,260
and it looks like they're going to level it out

1009
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:42,500
and run the water quickly off in the house to the north of it

1010
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:46,480
and I don't know what you're, I really don't know what you're ordered for

1011
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:50,460
with regard to that, but the city engineer should be consulted,

1012
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:53,800
and of course, you know,

1013
01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:58,760
builders put fill on sides all the time, and they can raise the grade, but I'm sure

1014
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,060
there are standards for that as well. There's, there've got to be some standards for that.

1015
01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:10,900
So your, your answer is, your question again was, whose responsibility will the city has

1016
01:25:10,900 --> 01:25:16,300
ordinances and they can enforce those ordinances, including the stormwater ordinance.

1017
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:23,880
So if there's stormwater coming off that side on the other people's yards, I think that's

1018
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:29,240
something that the city engineer, that the city manager should instruct the codes officer

1019
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:34,820
or the city engineer, or both to go and look at to see if there's a stormwater violation.

1020
01:25:34,820 --> 01:25:46,160
Because any water running off that side should not be running off an uncontrolled manner on to other people's property so that should that should be examined

1021
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:53,260
Well, it needs to be then because I watched videos and it's it's a it's a very broad river

1022
01:25:53,260 --> 01:26:00,220
It goes on both sides of the house right below that construction goes in the front and the bat

1023
01:26:00,220 --> 01:26:05,600
goes across, and then it comes, so it goes way down behind the next house, which is people

1024
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:10,580
I was talking to, next house, it goes into a, they, they do have a swale in their backyard

1025
01:26:10,580 --> 01:26:14,900
and it finally gets there, but the water coming, it comes down from the front, you know,

1026
01:26:14,940 --> 01:26:22,380
sort of comes across, jumps a, a small, a swale, and then becomes a river going down their

1027
01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:27,780
driveway, and it's, and it didn't do this before this construction.

1028
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:34,380
as I understand it that's right. So again, the city can enforce its ordinances, but that may

1029
01:26:34,380 --> 01:26:39,200
not give property owners the relief that they desire, because we may not have ordinances

1030
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:46,000
that cover everything. But it's not a defense for the builders say, well, I complied with

1031
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,440
the ordinances, I'm sorry you've got water. The next row of neighbors still has a cause of

1032
01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:56,920
action against that builder. Compliance with the ordinances is not an excuse, but the city can only

1033
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:58,320
forces ordinances.

1034
01:27:00,020 --> 01:27:06,940
Can we get to the bottom of this, the question of this stormwater swales and the so forth

1035
01:27:06,940 --> 01:27:08,920
and who has responsibility for that?

1036
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,080
I mean, I understand what y'all have been telling us about culverts under people's driveways,

1037
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,320
and that's not the cities responsibility.

1038
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:23,900
That seems to me to be a major flaw in the system if a homeowner can allow their culvert

1039
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:30,560
to get blocked up and cause people upstream problems, and the sea says well that's the

1040
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:36,560
homeowners responsibility. But anyway, that's what y'all look tell us. What about the rest

1041
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:43,800
of the soil, the ditch? If it's in our right away, we know what we know. Well, if it's in the

1042
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,460
right, well, if it's in the right place, there's no ditch, there's no soil at all on the

1043
01:27:47,460 --> 01:27:54,860
Right. Right. Again, the city has to maintain its street. It's right of way. City does that.

1044
01:27:55,380 --> 01:28:00,860
And if there's a violation of the stormwater ordinance, then the city can prosecute that violation.

1045
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:08,830
So we got to have an expert who goes and looks and sees if there's a violation of the stormwater ordinance.

1046
01:28:09,870 --> 01:28:12,030
Upon which to base a base of prosecution.

1047
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:17,790
I don't know whether our stormwater ordinance addresses. It's one way or the other.

1048
01:28:17,790 --> 01:28:25,050
Well, that, again, I thought you're talking about projects where swales were people are building and they put water in them.

1049
01:28:25,770 --> 01:28:26,610
That's a storm.

1050
01:28:27,730 --> 01:28:31,910
But our ditches and our roads, that's just city maintenance.

1051
01:28:33,010 --> 01:28:36,290
But the city has to decide how to maintain its infrastructure.

1052
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:38,930
Okay, and then what we've got here is a combination.

1053
01:28:38,930 --> 01:28:45,470
we've got somebody who's building and he is dramatically altered the leg of the topography

1054
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:51,050
of the lot and they're also messing with the ditch at the same time.

1055
01:28:51,530 --> 01:28:59,130
Well if they've altered the flow in the cities where the roadway and the water comes off

1056
01:28:59,130 --> 01:29:04,090
and it used to go in a ditch and they came in and concerted so there is no ditch and the water

1057
01:29:04,090 --> 01:29:09,610
runs the city has a cause of action against them. And perhaps if it goes on someone else's

1058
01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:11,090
property, the neighbor would as well.

1059
01:29:12,130 --> 01:29:16,490
Well, there's clearly a ditch in there. And the next two houses down, their driveways both

1060
01:29:16,490 --> 01:29:21,770
have culverts. And there's a ditch that runs into it. Right. This just bypasses. It doesn't

1061
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:23,310
go into the ditch. Right.

1062
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:30,190
Can I just open worries about two pieces of property?

1063
01:29:30,450 --> 01:29:34,430
Oh, that's pretty much the microphone place. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, that pinning

1064
01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:41,470
property loan pines on time Boulevard, which was, I think it's probably got his permit

1065
01:29:41,470 --> 01:29:50,490
way back in August of 20 and it seems to be at a standstill and there were, in the

1066
01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:58,710
last time mistaken, they had four trees cut, I don't know, four five months ago, I noticed

1067
01:29:58,710 --> 01:29:59,710
at first time.

1068
01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:17,180
The y'all know anything about that? If you could find out about what's happened in there, because it just seems, because I think we're at 18 months already on that.

1069
01:30:17,180 --> 01:30:26,120
My other just concerned to bring up the source property up on where the Ferris property was on time.

1070
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:28,320
Boulevard at the top of Overton Lee.

1071
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,440
You're talking names.

1072
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:30,840
Okay, you're right.

1073
01:30:30,940 --> 01:30:33,220
940 overton Lee.

1074
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:37,600
It's the sore property.

1075
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:43,940
And when Scott bought the property immediately south of it.

1076
01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:45,240
No, it's giving me north of it.

1077
01:30:45,460 --> 01:30:45,780
Downhill.

1078
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:47,720
It's on time.

1079
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:57,320
So he'll give me the lay of the land for his property is he tore down the house up on top on 930

1080
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:10,460
excuse me 940 over to the Lee and has a I guess a park there you'd say your place you can have parties or whatever and some lights

1081
01:31:10,460 --> 01:31:13,140
but when he took out

1082
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:19,820
They cut out the underbrush, which is welcome in one way, but the other problem is when

1083
01:31:19,820 --> 01:31:25,520
they cut the underbrush out, there's all kinds of erosion, and it's flooded across

1084
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:34,020
the road and Pat, Patricia and Mike Carlson have a concern about it that they would like

1085
01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:39,220
for y'all to look into and see if that's a file, you know, something can be done about the

1086
01:31:39,220 --> 01:31:46,100
city, is it within the city's control, because it is going over the, I'm not sure about

1087
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:53,700
what is and what's not under city or private. But I can't tell you, they've shown me pictures

1088
01:31:53,700 --> 01:32:03,090
where there's water going over the road and leaving debris on the road. I would just say

1089
01:32:03,090 --> 01:32:10,730
whether it's representing people in law suits, where they're suing their neighbors or their

1090
01:32:10,730 --> 01:32:16,850
you're seeing somebody else for creating problems or whether it's representing the city

1091
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:22,990
in prosecuting these, getting a report from an engineer who is examined the site and

1092
01:32:22,990 --> 01:32:31,250
can tell you what the cause of the problem is. It's just the very starting point. Because

1093
01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:38,270
without that, you're just guessing that once you have that, then you've got some facts

1094
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:45,150
on which you can then examine the case and say, well, how much is this city real, what can

1095
01:32:45,150 --> 01:32:51,970
the city do? What has this person over here done? But you've got to have an expert who's

1096
01:32:51,970 --> 01:32:57,290
looked at it more than just me, I mean, I can go out and look and say, well, so what I think

1097
01:32:57,290 --> 01:33:03,330
is happening. But, you know, I'm not, I'm not a trained expert, I'm not an engineer and it's really

1098
01:33:03,330 --> 01:33:10,370
important to get an engineer. If you have a complaint from a citizen, and I know there's

1099
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:17,650
there are lots of considerations that come with the management of the city and budgetary items,

1100
01:33:17,810 --> 01:33:23,470
so I'm not speaking of that at all. I'm just talking about how to unravel these, how to address them.

1101
01:33:23,850 --> 01:33:29,310
The first thing to do is to get an engineer to look at it and give you a report that says,

1102
01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:35,330
I went out there on this date, I talked to these people, I examined this site, here's what

1103
01:33:35,330 --> 01:33:39,110
I found, and here's what I believe the cause is.

1104
01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:45,330
That's the starting point, and without that, you're just going, you're chasing your tail.

1105
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:52,110
Well, put it this way, I just want to give you a lecture now about what's going on, don't

1106
01:33:52,110 --> 01:33:56,910
do anything, just y'all, you're notified of it and take what actions appropriate.

1107
01:33:57,570 --> 01:34:05,250
And my correct amount of understanding that really the city's infrastructure is the road and that

1108
01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:08,330
that ditch on the side to keep the water off the road.

1109
01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:09,170
That is correct.

1110
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:11,670
That it's not that is correct.

1111
01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:14,250
The water from one into people's yard.

1112
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:14,930
That's correct.

1113
01:34:15,570 --> 01:34:16,070
That's right.

1114
01:34:16,150 --> 01:34:18,350
I quote and that ditch.

1115
01:34:18,710 --> 01:34:25,090
And that's why we have the right way is to make sure the ditch is keeping water off the road.

1116
01:34:25,090 --> 01:34:32,590
And when a house is built, the builder is supposed to manage that ditch in the car.

1117
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:33,610
Is that correct?

1118
01:34:33,690 --> 01:34:34,330
That's correct.

1119
01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:36,350
I can give you a really good example.

1120
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:43,290
Have you been down Hillsboro Road coming south from hearting place to time recently?

1121
01:34:44,710 --> 01:34:50,510
Well, if you have, you will have noticed after you go up past my curb's place and then

1122
01:34:50,510 --> 01:34:51,930
you go past the Osis.

1123
01:34:51,930 --> 01:35:02,710
It had the big fountain, you know, they got a big fountain, and then you go to the top of the hill and there's the big Mount Castle castle on the top.

1124
01:35:03,050 --> 01:35:18,690
When you press that, there's an NES easement that crosses Hillsboro. The next time you go there, you look to the right, and NES has been back in there and they've cleared out all this brush and they put down gravel, and they've just cleaned up their easement.

1125
01:35:18,690 --> 01:35:24,330
It looks beautiful, the lady who lives just south of that misbritten came in the force

1126
01:35:24,330 --> 01:35:28,970
Hill staff meeting and says, I'm getting all kinds of water, this is just running off

1127
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:35,070
into my yard now, because of the removal of all that natural foliage,

1128
01:35:37,190 --> 01:35:37,990
there's nothing

1129
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:42,310
the city of force Hills can do for her, because that's not a city problem.

1130
01:35:43,110 --> 01:35:46,450
Any S has a right to maintain its easement.

1131
01:35:47,230 --> 01:35:52,650
The city can't construct something to change that, so we gave her certain tips about,

1132
01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:58,190
maybe she could ask any S to come back and build a little burn to get it down towards Hillsborough

1133
01:35:58,190 --> 01:36:02,470
Rhodes, which travels down the road instead of sheet flows across her property.

1134
01:36:03,130 --> 01:36:07,430
But that is a classic example. I'll tell you another one.

1135
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:18,450
All the building that has gone on on the north side of time has caused more and more stormwater to go in front of the church down there the Hillsborough church

1136
01:36:18,450 --> 01:36:26,550
A Christ to go under time and then to go on the north side of time and then underneath and sheet flow across

1137
01:36:28,510 --> 01:36:30,010
Play Jackson's property

1138
01:36:30,010 --> 01:36:33,310
So he's getting more you know the big

1139
01:36:33,310 --> 01:36:41,850
The big property there at the corner of the country, so he's getting just tons and tons of sheet flow water.

1140
01:36:42,710 --> 01:36:45,850
There's nothing the city can do to construct something for him.

1141
01:36:46,290 --> 01:36:50,810
But we're talking with him trying to help him come up with possible solutions

1142
01:36:50,810 --> 01:36:54,330
and where there are problems that the city can work on.

1143
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:55,550
We can work on those.

1144
01:36:56,030 --> 01:37:01,550
But some of this is just natural through development and other people exercising their rights.

1145
01:37:01,550 --> 01:37:02,990
that they have a right to exercise.

1146
01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:06,050
So any S has a right to maintain its easement.

1147
01:37:07,670 --> 01:37:10,270
So, and those are two examples of things

1148
01:37:10,270 --> 01:37:12,650
that have happened in a sister city

1149
01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:18,330
that may not be exact copies of what's happening here,

1150
01:37:18,710 --> 01:37:21,930
but they're just good illustrations to think about.

1151
01:37:22,150 --> 01:37:25,590
Attorney Albritton, I would argue that yes,

1152
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:29,970
any S has a right to maintain their traffic.

1153
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:45,900
Act of land, but if they're causing flooding to an adjacent property, they're culpable. So yes, they can clear it, but they would need to build a ditch to direct water to the current culvert or ditches in place.

1154
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:51,620
because, and I don't know what case law is, I'm not a attorney, obviously, but to me, I think

1155
01:37:51,620 --> 01:37:59,440
there, this is a clear case of clearing the land and you're causing damage, you know, and, of course,

1156
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,580
you can't fight any S, it would be the same for a landowner.

1157
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:09,740
Let's say that that was not in any S easement, but let's say it belonged to the guy that owned

1158
01:38:09,740 --> 01:38:14,480
the castle and he said, you know, I've just let that grow up all these years and I don't

1159
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:19,620
I'm going to go down and mow my yard, so he just goes down there and bush hogs and he mows.

1160
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:25,520
But, you know, there was a lot of natural flow that was being caught by all that.

1161
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:31,340
I don't think anybody could say, in court, you have to maintain it in an overgrown state

1162
01:38:31,340 --> 01:38:35,320
or you can't mow it, it's just a natural.

1163
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,300
So I hear your point, but as you can see, it gets very difficult to apply.

1164
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:45,640
Yeah, well, but I mean that to me is one of the reasons to look at this land disturbance

1165
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:51,040
ordinance because you know, one of its earlier titles was called The Grubbing Ordinance.

1166
01:38:51,140 --> 01:38:51,580
That's right.

1167
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:52,440
That's right.

1168
01:38:52,440 --> 01:38:58,240
Cover all of that so that if somebody weren't to go in and take out all the undergrowth and

1169
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:03,040
the vegetation so that there was more water flow than there was before, that they're going

1170
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:08,200
to have to get a permit that are going to need to radiate and follow the stormwater

1171
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:12,120
statute, I mean, the ordinance would be, I mean, that's what I'm looking for.

1172
01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:19,180
Yeah. And so that somebody can't bring in 100 truckloads of fill and build their property

1173
01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:23,320
up so that the runoff goes to the next door of neighbors on either side.

1174
01:39:23,340 --> 01:39:26,140
Right. That's clearly actionable, clearly.

1175
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:27,020
Excellent.

1176
01:39:27,900 --> 01:39:32,820
By the neighbor, by the neighbor, it may be prohibited by our stormwater ordinance, but again,

1177
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:37,100
you have to have the engineers look at the plans and say, oh, this violates your ordinance.

1178
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:38,800
and then we can stop it.

1179
01:39:39,060 --> 01:39:44,040
If it doesn't violate the ordinance, there's not anything we can do, but the city engineer could

1180
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:50,060
go out and look and say, hey, there's a new water problem because this man built his property

1181
01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:54,800
up, which he was entitled to do under city ordinances, but I had to determine as the city engineer

1182
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,700
nothing we can do, but it is mean caused by that.

1183
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:04,100
So at least he identifies the cause and we know what we can do and then the rest of it would

1184
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:09,840
up to the owner in an enforcement action or private right-of-action against them.

1185
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:16,120
I mean, you know, you've got with your three or four lawyers here and we can all applaud

1186
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:21,860
the need to bring lawsuits, but most neighbors don't like them.

1187
01:40:21,860 --> 01:40:22,580
Oh, I know.

1188
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:30,320
I know it, but it is a very unsatisfactory answer, but we can do what we can do and we can

1189
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:36,400
ass ordinances if we don't have them that currently address that then perhaps we can adopt

1190
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:37,360
some that will.

1191
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:42,120
But when you have a reported problem, the first thing is having the engineer go out and

1192
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,400
look and bring you back a report.

1193
01:40:44,540 --> 01:40:49,560
It doesn't have to be 50 pages, but here the photographs I took, this is what I observed, these

1194
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:55,440
are my conclusions, and you go from there until that's done, it's really difficult to do

1195
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:55,740
things.

1196
01:40:55,740 --> 01:40:57,660
Is that our process?

1197
01:40:59,540 --> 01:41:00,960
It's private property.

1198
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:03,540
If it's private property,

1199
01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:09,240
I can't justify sending the city engineer

1200
01:41:09,980 --> 01:41:13,840
on our dime to go investigate a neighbor to neighbor complaint.

1201
01:41:14,440 --> 01:41:15,860
I just can't do that.

1202
01:41:16,340 --> 01:41:21,620
If it's that bad of a concern that the neighbors are concerned that their neighbors are doing something wrong,

1203
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:23,680
they can hire their own engineer

1204
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,760
And bring a cause of action against him.

1205
01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:36,780
But everybody relies on the city to go out on quote, our dime and tell them the problems

1206
01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:38,720
that they have between neighbors.

1207
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:44,380
And I've asked a couple of residents, you know, when they've come into the office to complain

1208
01:41:44,380 --> 01:41:47,620
about their neighbor, have you talked to your neighbor?

1209
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:48,800
Oh no, no.

1210
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:49,500
I can't do that.

1211
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:50,460
That's your job.

1212
01:41:50,460 --> 01:41:57,120
the city to talk to the neighbors and I'm sorry it's I just can't see

1213
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:00,620
us going out there providing engineering services to private

1214
01:42:00,620 --> 01:42:05,760
individuals to to resolve neighbor problems and I I agree with

1215
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:11,020
often totally I'm in complete agreement I'm talking about those cases where you

1216
01:42:11,020 --> 01:42:16,200
don't know what's what's causing the problem if you know what's causing the

1217
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:19,720
problem and the person comes in says hey I'm having a flooding problem because

1218
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:24,760
my next door neighbor's not cleaning out his culvert. Then you don't send the city engineer out

1219
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:30,760
for that. But if a person says, I'm having this flooding, I'm not certain why it could be that

1220
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,780
the city's got a problem because you're not maintaining this culvert across the street. I think

1221
01:42:34,780 --> 01:42:40,640
that's when you go out and the city engineer could come back and say, it's not us. It's because

1222
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:45,530
of this factor or that factor. And then then it's up to the neighbor to pursue that.

1223
01:42:46,450 --> 01:42:51,550
So, if I return the old Britain, if I could ask the question, so if the culverts under the

1224
01:42:51,550 --> 01:42:59,110
dry way are clogged, the citizen has no recourse other than to hire an engineer and

1225
01:42:59,110 --> 01:43:03,230
follow lawsuit against his neighbor to make him to clean that out?

1226
01:43:04,130 --> 01:43:09,870
Well, at the last planning commission meeting, I asked Stephen Snow, if he could find anywhere

1227
01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:15,250
in the property maintenance codes, and we think we found a section that would require them

1228
01:43:15,250 --> 01:43:21,750
maintain it so we could bring them the city court and find them fifty dollars a day until they

1229
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:27,070
they until they do it. Perfect. So that that is something that we can begin doing.

1230
01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:31,230
Okay. What is that in the building? The property maintenance code. Probably maintenance code.

1231
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:37,050
Is that in the ordinances? It's something that we've adopted. Your municipal code you have adopted.

1232
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:41,030
It's adopted by reference. The property maintenance code.

1233
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:49,450
So, just to refer back to Mr. Cranshaw, his neighbors, Culver, is blocked. I think he stated,

1234
01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:55,570
can we help him out by proceeding in that direction?

1235
01:43:55,930 --> 01:44:01,990
We can send Mr. Snow out to take a look and if he concludes its block and looks at the ordinance,

1236
01:44:02,810 --> 01:44:09,250
the code and believes that's code violation, he could write a citation and we can cite them to

1237
01:44:09,250 --> 01:44:18,690
city court. Thank you. And 60 days later, we get a judgment and they clean it out.

1238
01:44:19,090 --> 01:44:24,450
One thing, I didn't finish the story about the source house about two days ago. They put

1239
01:44:24,450 --> 01:44:33,570
in a whole dress. Address, sorry. Address, he lives next to the curb in a size system.

1240
01:44:39,790 --> 01:44:57,650
I know I know on 940 overton lead the owners to have I think late last week put up a whole series of

1241
01:44:57,650 --> 01:44:59,730
built fences to try to correct the problem.

1242
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,200
So just keep an eye on it. And I think they stood at volunteer. So kudos to them.

1243
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,480
Very good. All right.

1244
01:45:15,450 --> 01:45:20,770
We missed a seven o'clock. Yeah, I know, we managed to make it.

1245
01:45:22,190 --> 01:45:27,350
Well, I hope it's a productive rabbit hole.

1246
01:45:27,370 --> 01:45:30,090
Yep. A yellow flag for the luck of going.

1247
01:45:30,090 --> 01:45:40,170
But those were the things that I would like first to get on the agenda, so we've discussed

1248
01:45:40,170 --> 01:45:40,730
all that.

1249
01:45:41,050 --> 01:45:42,870
And I think everybody's had to say on that.

1250
01:45:43,210 --> 01:45:48,130
So let's go now to board comments, Mr. O'Dell.

1251
01:45:48,890 --> 01:45:49,350
No comment.

1252
01:45:49,770 --> 01:45:50,050
Okay.

1253
01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:51,870
Mr. Blucke.

1254
01:45:52,170 --> 01:45:52,750
No comments.

1255
01:45:53,250 --> 01:45:53,730
Thank you.

1256
01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:54,550
Mr. DuMarco?

1257
01:45:54,670 --> 01:45:55,370
No comments.

1258
01:45:56,410 --> 01:45:56,770
Vice Mayor.

1259
01:45:56,770 --> 01:46:02,330
I think I sort of got in blood over into my comments when you're only discussion with everybody.

1260
01:46:04,810 --> 01:46:08,370
Okay, I just have, I guess it's just one.

1261
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:16,590
And that is, if I can find it here, something that I don't know if you all got this,

1262
01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:20,810
but I got this from Councilwoman Henderson.

1263
01:46:22,990 --> 01:46:32,850
And she was raising a, bring attention to the Airbnb bill that's before the state legislature did you all get that.

1264
01:46:33,130 --> 01:46:35,550
Yeah, I had actually, excuse me, for interrupting.

1265
01:46:36,090 --> 01:46:46,250
I had actually sent Representative Curcio an email today asking for clarification and where he stands on that, but I had not heard back yet.

1266
01:46:46,810 --> 01:46:47,350
Okay.

1267
01:46:49,150 --> 01:46:50,350
Do you emotional you were there?

1268
01:46:50,450 --> 01:46:59,210
I'm not in detail, but I did give it a cursory glance to another city that asked me to look at it.

1269
01:46:59,490 --> 01:47:03,010
And the way I would term it, it almost is worse than Airbnb.

1270
01:47:03,650 --> 01:47:04,870
It looks like it.

1271
01:47:05,150 --> 01:47:06,870
It's like an hourly.

1272
01:47:07,930 --> 01:47:11,630
It's like a, you know, one hour or one whole type of thing.

1273
01:47:13,470 --> 01:47:21,950
it's really bad it's not coming rent this house for two three nights

1274
01:47:21,950 --> 01:47:26,590
where you have a bachelor at party it's come here at four and leave it at twelve

1275
01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:33,630
it's it's hourly rentals like a time share almost very very bad I think

1276
01:47:33,630 --> 01:47:39,770
it also referred to the head of the local owners versus out of town owners

1277
01:47:39,770 --> 01:47:47,510
and properties, I think was another stipulation, which could lead to out of town folks buying

1278
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:55,230
up property. Right. Right. So can we clarify what is our current ordinance? It's against air

1279
01:47:55,230 --> 01:48:02,330
being, yeah, our current ordinance is not allowed short-term rentals. Right. It's been a while

1280
01:48:02,330 --> 01:48:09,490
since I looked at it, but you adopted a specific ordinance. It's 20 days. Okay. And we have a couple

1281
01:48:09,770 --> 01:48:19,710
that we've found that we've sent letters to, that one says that the rental has to be more than 20 days.

1282
01:48:22,170 --> 01:48:25,370
So, by that, it's in compliance.

1283
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:31,030
There was another one that was listed with a nightly rate,

1284
01:48:31,250 --> 01:48:36,850
but when I tried to reserve it, it was booked up through the end of December.

1285
01:48:36,850 --> 01:48:43,390
So again based on definition that one doesn't meet the

1286
01:48:43,390 --> 01:48:45,890
Me was twenty-one person through the end of the Senate.

1287
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:47,170
It was booked.

1288
01:48:47,170 --> 01:48:50,850
I could be a serious people less than twenty days.

1289
01:48:52,050 --> 01:48:52,690
You know, no, no.

1290
01:48:52,750 --> 01:48:53,050
And I'm not sweet.

1291
01:48:53,310 --> 01:48:54,710
Sapena his records.

1292
01:48:56,830 --> 01:48:59,190
She would make that six months in the Senate 20.

1293
01:48:59,310 --> 01:49:02,930
But nonetheless we put both property owners on notice that you know,

1294
01:49:03,130 --> 01:49:04,890
I'd just be careful here.

1295
01:49:05,670 --> 01:49:09,750
Well, and so there actually there are two, it looks like there are two bills.

1296
01:49:11,210 --> 01:49:20,170
One is Airbnb, this says by voter 72, the Senate Commerce Committee says past legislation

1297
01:49:20,170 --> 01:49:23,770
I think it just means they've recommended there, they've approved it that would negatively

1298
01:49:23,770 --> 01:49:30,090
impact how local governments regulate short-term rentals after the Senate Sponsor told the

1299
01:49:30,090 --> 01:49:35,170
that Nashville, the National Council was getting ready to ban short-term rentals.

1300
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:37,810
Layers office quickly said, no, that's not true.

1301
01:49:39,130 --> 01:49:42,950
And the municipal league, etcetera, are working against this legislation.

1302
01:49:43,550 --> 01:49:46,270
It's on the House of Business, and you tell they said, well, it's March 16th.

1303
01:49:46,670 --> 01:49:49,210
So I don't know what happened on March 16th.

1304
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:53,770
But then there's this one that's called the College Swimpling.

1305
01:49:54,510 --> 01:49:57,710
Yeah, that's what I did. That was another name for it.

1306
01:49:58,450 --> 01:50:03,930
It's a caption bill, which means they've put a caption on it and it can wind up with anything.

1307
01:50:04,830 --> 01:50:11,670
But the caption bill that the sponsor will amend the preempt local regulation of another sharing economy upstart similar to ABNV.

1308
01:50:11,810 --> 01:50:19,110
The bill is being pursued on behalf of Swimbley, an online platform focused on providing, quote, home experiences.

1309
01:50:19,110 --> 01:50:31,110
This is a close business model that is engaged in hostility to rent out all or portion of their property like a swimming pool to others for up to 18 hours for an hourly fee.

1310
01:50:32,430 --> 01:50:40,490
And the local government said there's more description of it because this is a local government would be preempted from imposing city wide prohibition.

1311
01:50:40,490 --> 01:50:53,390
So that's what Airbnb bill and that's this bill is both of them are to preempt local regulation and to allow people to do that regardless of what the city wants.

1312
01:50:54,290 --> 01:50:59,610
So, anyway I just want to be sure about it was aware of that.

1313
01:51:01,470 --> 01:51:05,310
Okay, that's all I've got.

1314
01:51:05,690 --> 01:51:08,310
The next item is executive session.

1315
01:51:09,450 --> 01:51:13,470
We have received a couple of items from the city attorney

1316
01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:17,610
that we can discuss if anyone would like to.

1317
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,780
Marshall, do you feel like it'd be good

1318
01:51:22,780 --> 01:51:25,140
to have some further explanation of those?

1319
01:51:25,140 --> 01:51:33,800
or I feel like I express myself adequately and clearly, but I'm certainly glad to engage

1320
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:34,740
further.

1321
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,000
Anybody feel the need to discuss those items?

1322
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:39,840
I think you're very, very clear, thank you.

1323
01:51:40,020 --> 01:51:40,380
You're welcome.

1324
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:42,860
Okay.

1325
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:51,060
Well, then we will not do that, and so the next item is, and my wife's going to have a heart attack

1326
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:55,580
when I walk in the house, she's going to think that you're fired me.

1327
01:51:58,380 --> 01:52:00,920
Alright, motion to adjourn.

1328
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:01,860
Second.

1329
01:52:02,900 --> 01:52:03,220
Second.

1330
01:52:03,740 --> 01:52:04,940
All in favor say aye.

1331
01:52:06,820 --> 01:52:07,300
Opposed.

1332
01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:08,480
Alright.

1333
01:52:08,940 --> 01:52:09,200
Very good.

1334
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:09,840
Thank you.

1335
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:12,080
We're adjourned.