1 00:09:39,966 --> 00:09:43,614 Okay, we'll call this meeting to 2 00:09:43,614 --> 00:09:46,465 order and, um, start with 3 00:09:46,465 --> 00:09:48,061 introductions. 4 00:09:48,061 --> 00:09:51,796 I am Marshall Albritton, the city attorney. 5 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,215 Debbie Chadwick, board member. 6 00:09:55,215 --> 00:09:57,208 Kathryn Booth, board member. 7 00:09:57,208 --> 00:09:59,699 Mary Catherine Bradshaw, chair. 8 00:09:59,699 --> 00:10:01,161 Chris Goetz, board member. 9 00:10:01,161 --> 00:10:02,691 Robert Diehl, board member. 10 00:10:02,691 --> 00:10:06,133 Patrick Napier, Planning, Zoning and Permitting, City of Oak Hill. 11 00:10:06,133 --> 00:10:08,735 Jeff Sharp, building official. 12 00:10:08,735 --> 00:10:14,938 Okay. I would like to read into the minutes that Pat is joining us and 13 00:10:14,938 --> 00:10:15,735 minutes that Pat is joining us and replacing 14 00:10:15,735 --> 00:10:19,900 Matt Harris and thank him for his service here. 15 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:25,837 He will be on the— he's a commissioner now and we will We miss him, 16 00:10:25,837 --> 00:10:31,686 but we wish him well. And thank you, Kat, for agreeing to join us. 17 00:10:31,686 --> 00:10:32,394 Happy to be back. 18 00:10:32,394 --> 00:10:37,126 Okay, so let's— join us for the Pledge of Allegiance. 19 00:10:37,126 --> 00:10:42,964 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 20 00:10:42,964 --> 00:10:48,166 America, and to the republic for which it stands, 21 00:10:48,166 --> 00:10:51,775 one nation under God, indivisible, 22 00:10:51,775 --> 00:10:55,397 with liberty and justice for all. 23 00:10:58,397 --> 00:11:03,774 First order of business is approval of the minutes, 24 00:11:03,774 --> 00:11:11,366 and we have all had the opportunity to look at the minutes from the July 25 00:11:11,366 --> 00:11:16,427 21st meeting. Are there any comments or changes? 26 00:11:16,427 --> 00:11:20,750 Is there a motion to approve the minutes? 27 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:24,976 I'll make a motion. Goetz? 28 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:26,582 I'll second it. 29 00:11:26,711 --> 00:11:27,195 Chadwick. 30 00:11:27,195 --> 00:11:28,887 Okay, all those in favor? 31 00:11:28,887 --> 00:11:29,710 Aye. 32 00:11:29,774 --> 00:11:30,419 Chadwick. 33 00:11:30,419 --> 00:11:32,724 You can— you want to abstain? 34 00:11:32,724 --> 00:11:33,288 I'll abstain. 35 00:11:33,288 --> 00:11:36,364 Okay, since you weren't there. Uh, Bradshaw? Yes. 36 00:11:36,364 --> 00:11:36,870 Aye. 37 00:11:37,180 --> 00:11:37,604 Goetz? 38 00:11:37,604 --> 00:11:38,241 Aye. Diehl? 39 00:11:38,241 --> 00:11:42,634 Okay, so the minutes pass. 40 00:11:42,634 --> 00:11:47,703 Um, we'll sign that right now. 41 00:11:47,703 --> 00:11:54,461 Okay, sir, did you sign in over there on 42 00:11:54,461 --> 00:12:00,544 that table? If you'll do that first. 43 00:12:00,544 --> 00:12:07,640 And we have one, one case tonight for 4129 44 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,384 Outer Drive. We'll follow the same 45 00:12:13,384 --> 00:12:19,298 process. Were the notices sent out? 46 00:12:19,298 --> 00:12:19,735 Yes. 47 00:12:19,735 --> 00:12:23,628 Okay, thank you. And the Presenters can come up. 48 00:12:23,628 --> 00:12:30,035 When you come up, if you'll please speak into the mic and tell us your name and 49 00:12:30,035 --> 00:12:35,712 what you're asking. And then maybe there will be some public comments. 50 00:12:35,712 --> 00:12:40,254 We'll give it time. And if there are no public comments, 51 00:12:40,254 --> 00:12:46,337 then we'll talk and we can ask questions then. Okay? So the floor is yours. 52 00:12:46,337 --> 00:12:46,757 Great. 53 00:12:46,757 --> 00:12:51,909 And that mic can be taken out of there if there's something you want to point to 54 00:12:51,909 --> 00:12:56,674 up there and you Want to, but we're streaming and recording, so we use the 55 00:12:56,674 --> 00:12:56,932 streaming and recording, so we use the mic. 56 00:12:56,932 --> 00:12:58,253 Great. 57 00:13:00,338 --> 00:13:00,564 Cool. 58 00:13:01,146 --> 00:13:03,711 Good evening. My name is Ryan Hooper. 59 00:13:03,711 --> 00:13:07,108 I'm a developer and contractor here in Nashville. 60 00:13:07,108 --> 00:13:09,812 I've been doing this for about 6 years. 61 00:13:09,812 --> 00:13:15,081 I have ongoing projects and have completed projects in West Meade, 12 South, 62 00:13:15,081 --> 00:13:19,934 Sylvan Park. This will be my first project in Oak Hill, and of course, 63 00:13:19,934 --> 00:13:25,204 it's It's one I have to come in front of you guys for, but it is what it is. 64 00:13:25,204 --> 00:13:30,126 So anyway, this property at 4129 Outer Drive is in Zone B of your guys' 65 00:13:30,126 --> 00:13:33,107 jurisdiction, whatever you want to call it. 66 00:13:33,107 --> 00:13:38,792 There's some hardships that are creating a little bit of a challenge when it comes 67 00:13:38,792 --> 00:13:41,011 to the development of this site. 68 00:13:41,011 --> 00:13:45,864 For one, the shallowness of this lot compared to other ones in Zone B. 69 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:46,390 Yes. 70 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:49,608 Is substantial, as well as on General Bate, 71 00:13:49,608 --> 00:13:53,800 there is a platted setback or just a setback of 40 feet. 72 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,413 So those 2 obstacles, as well as the zones for both 1 and 2 and the height, 73 00:13:59,413 --> 00:14:02,631 make it very challenging or almost— I mean, 74 00:14:02,631 --> 00:14:08,768 it's currently impossible to build a house of the square footage that is presented 75 00:14:08,768 --> 00:14:11,987 across the board in Zone B and in Oak Hill, 76 00:14:11,987 --> 00:14:18,199 which is around 5,500 square square feet, it's not possible at this point based on, 77 00:14:18,199 --> 00:14:23,962 again, the shallowness and the width as well as the setback off General Bate. 78 00:14:23,962 --> 00:14:29,425 So I've come, I've spoken to Patrick a handful of times now, and with his 79 00:14:29,425 --> 00:14:30,099 handful of times now, and with his guidance, 80 00:14:30,099 --> 00:14:36,161 just wanted to present a solution which is reducing the setback from General Bate 81 00:14:36,161 --> 00:14:42,299 from 40 to 20. Originally, I was going to suggest maybe reducing the rear setback, 82 00:14:42,299 --> 00:14:48,211 but with the placement being on corner and with that neighboring property north 83 00:14:48,211 --> 00:14:49,708 facing General Bate, 84 00:14:49,708 --> 00:14:55,322 as well as obviously it's very important to have big backyards in Oak Hill, 85 00:14:55,322 --> 00:15:00,935 I figured the reduction from 40 to 20 off General Bate would still meet the 86 00:15:00,935 --> 00:15:05,725 satisfaction from a development standpoint, but also not affect— 87 00:15:05,725 --> 00:15:05,885 The view. 88 00:15:06,549 --> 00:15:09,420 neighboring properties as well. 89 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:12,384 So yeah, that's, that's my push, 90 00:15:12,384 --> 00:15:15,533 and I can answer any questions or— 91 00:15:15,533 --> 00:15:20,234 Well, okay. Are you here to make a public comment? 92 00:15:20,234 --> 00:15:24,758 She's the owner. 93 00:15:24,758 --> 00:15:27,130 Okay. You can comment now if you want to, 94 00:15:27,130 --> 00:15:29,617 or you don't have to comment at all either. 95 00:15:29,617 --> 00:15:33,608 But if you'll come up— if you want to comment, if you'll come up and— 96 00:15:33,608 --> 00:15:33,742 Yeah. 97 00:15:34,319 --> 00:15:36,172 Does it hurt? 98 00:15:36,172 --> 00:15:39,345 Just tell us your name and— 99 00:15:39,345 --> 00:15:46,992 My name is Debbie Waddell, and I've lived in the house for 26 years. 100 00:15:46,992 --> 00:15:49,241 I bought it in 2000. 101 00:15:49,241 --> 00:15:51,715 It's been a nice area, 102 00:15:51,715 --> 00:15:57,900 and while I really definitely respect the restrictions, 103 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:05,322 I'm going to miss that Oak Hill because I feel like that's been my 104 00:16:05,322 --> 00:16:12,520 home. But I'm facing a dilemma right now as I have— I'm getting— 105 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:20,279 I'm selling and wanting— I'm going to a condo, downsizing. It's time. 106 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:27,814 I'm retired. And I have been very selective of who I've chosen as a 107 00:16:27,814 --> 00:16:30,400 developer, if you will. 108 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:37,148 I've had multiple texts, multiple calls, as you can imagine, 109 00:16:37,148 --> 00:16:44,907 and I've looked at their proposal and I've looked at their rendering, 110 00:16:44,907 --> 00:16:52,329 and while I would love To be able to sell my home to somebody that 111 00:16:52,329 --> 00:16:58,065 could do something with it, it's just not possible. 112 00:16:58,065 --> 00:17:05,599 And I feel like what they want to do with it versus what they would 113 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:13,134 have to do with it if they did not have the opportunity to make it— 114 00:17:13,134 --> 00:17:19,094 I know this is not about aesthetics, but it is about— 115 00:17:19,094 --> 00:17:19,373 Aesthetic value. 116 00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:26,169 Making it fit in and pleasing to what's already there. 117 00:17:26,169 --> 00:17:29,700 And I feel like they've done that. 118 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:36,867 So I have been very selective, and they've done a good job with that. 119 00:17:36,867 --> 00:17:42,267 So I just would hope that y'all would consider this. 120 00:17:42,267 --> 00:17:45,798 And it is being fully transparent. 121 00:17:45,798 --> 00:17:53,172 It is— makes a difference on what I can get and what I can find to live 122 00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:57,846 in as a person that's retiring. So thank you. 123 00:17:57,846 --> 00:18:03,797 Thank you. So there we have no public comments. 124 00:18:03,797 --> 00:18:07,722 So if you want to come back up, 125 00:18:07,722 --> 00:18:13,926 it's time for board members to ask any questions, 126 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:15,825 and I have one. 127 00:18:15,825 --> 00:18:17,821 Chair, quick point of order. 128 00:18:17,821 --> 00:18:21,883 She did not receive any letters in support or opposition. 129 00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:26,271 Okay. Thank you. Clarify. All right. Thank you. 130 00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:30,752 We've got these 9 standards that need to be met, 131 00:18:30,752 --> 00:18:34,953 and you address 2 of them in the application. 132 00:18:34,953 --> 00:18:39,061 And on 3 through 9, you simply said correct, 133 00:18:39,061 --> 00:18:43,076 as if you were agreeing with the statement. 134 00:18:43,076 --> 00:18:45,690 Financial returns, number 4, 135 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:52,411 financial returns only shall not be considered as a basis for granting a 136 00:18:52,411 --> 00:18:54,932 variance. You said correct. 137 00:18:54,932 --> 00:19:00,067 Can you elaborate a little bit more on those standards? 138 00:19:00,067 --> 00:19:05,295 What are the reasons convince us that That, that's true. 139 00:19:05,295 --> 00:19:10,034 Okay. The financial return shall not be considered as a basis for granting a 140 00:19:10,034 --> 00:19:13,089 variance. The reason that I'm presenting this 40— 141 00:19:13,089 --> 00:19:17,641 this reduction in the setback is to match the cohesiveness throughout the 142 00:19:17,641 --> 00:19:21,694 neighborhood in regards to the height and the width of the homes. 143 00:19:21,694 --> 00:19:26,183 In order to develop this based on this 40-foot general base setback, me, 144 00:19:26,183 --> 00:19:29,675 whoever is going to develop it, Is going to create a 20— 145 00:19:29,675 --> 00:19:33,042 I think 28 feet is zone 1 for the height, and then 35. 146 00:19:33,042 --> 00:19:35,910 But with a narrow house, you're going to look— 147 00:19:35,910 --> 00:19:40,899 this home is going to look more like a pencil instead of something that fits the 148 00:19:40,899 --> 00:19:44,702 neighborhood cohesive— cohesively. Um, I live in Sylvan Park. 149 00:19:44,702 --> 00:19:46,323 I build homes in 12 South. 150 00:19:46,323 --> 00:19:51,312 I've seen developers build homes that just try and get as much square footage in 151 00:19:51,312 --> 00:19:53,057 that are built 45 feet tall, 152 00:19:53,057 --> 00:19:57,672 and It's terrible for the neighborhood and it's something that sticks out. 153 00:19:57,672 --> 00:20:01,226 And that's one thing that would be harder for me to sell. 154 00:20:01,226 --> 00:20:05,653 But at the end of the day, it's ultimately what fits that neighborhood. 155 00:20:05,653 --> 00:20:10,329 And I think that's why you guys are here and have your own jurisdiction and 156 00:20:10,329 --> 00:20:13,385 regulations. So I think I put correct on— I mean, 157 00:20:13,385 --> 00:20:16,066 we can go through every single one of them. 158 00:20:16,066 --> 00:20:18,747 I put correct on them because I didn't see— 159 00:20:18,747 --> 00:20:23,548 I agreed with the variance will not authorize activities in the zone district 160 00:20:23,548 --> 00:20:23,860 authorize activities in the zone district other 161 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:26,167 than those permitted by this chapter. 162 00:20:26,167 --> 00:20:26,327 Okay. 163 00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:29,499 I mean, it's going to be a single-family house, so— 164 00:20:29,499 --> 00:20:30,677 Okay. 165 00:20:30,677 --> 00:20:33,074 Financial returns, I just touched on. 166 00:20:33,074 --> 00:20:38,063 The alleged difficulty has not been created by any persons having interest in 167 00:20:38,063 --> 00:20:38,257 created by any persons having interest in the 168 00:20:38,257 --> 00:20:42,792 property. I didn't create the hardship, obviously. Ms. Debbie did not. 169 00:20:42,792 --> 00:20:47,587 Granting the variance request will not confer on the applicant any special 170 00:20:47,587 --> 00:20:48,170 confer on the applicant any special privilege 171 00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:53,029 that is denied to other lands, structures, buildings in the same districts. 172 00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:54,454 I could touch on that. 173 00:20:54,454 --> 00:20:59,637 I'm— I don't know if anyone else has been given a reduced setback on the corner. 174 00:20:59,637 --> 00:21:04,237 The reason that we're requesting it is we have a 174-foot in-depth lot. 175 00:21:04,237 --> 00:21:06,634 Everything else on the corner is 199. 176 00:21:06,634 --> 00:21:09,161 If you go up to Greenland or Greerland, 177 00:21:09,161 --> 00:21:13,891 if you even go directly south of the property across the street from 4129 178 00:21:13,891 --> 00:21:14,279 property across the street from 4129 Outer, 179 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:19,463 that's at right around 200 is the depth of that lot, and we're working with 173. 180 00:21:19,463 --> 00:21:22,313 So— I I obviously wouldn't want to— I don't— 181 00:21:22,313 --> 00:21:26,978 if I didn't have to be here to request this and I can fit a home that is 182 00:21:26,978 --> 00:21:27,561 this and I can fit a home that is cohesive, 183 00:21:27,561 --> 00:21:29,051 I would have done that. 184 00:21:29,051 --> 00:21:34,364 Um, the variance is the minimum variance that will make possible reasonable use of 185 00:21:34,364 --> 00:21:38,381 land and building. That's the meetings I had with Patrick, um, 186 00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:43,434 to not request something that's going to go above what I think is necessary to 187 00:21:43,434 --> 00:21:43,758 go above what I think is necessary to build 188 00:21:43,758 --> 00:21:45,637 a home that fits in Oak Hill. 189 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:45,946 Thank you. 190 00:21:46,659 --> 00:21:51,740 The granting of the variance will not be detrimental to public welfare or injurious 191 00:21:51,740 --> 00:21:56,455 to other property or improvements in the area which this property is located. 192 00:21:56,455 --> 00:22:00,189 Of course not. Should not affect public welfare or injurious. 193 00:22:00,189 --> 00:22:05,209 And then the proposed variance will not impair adequate supply of light and air to 194 00:22:05,209 --> 00:22:06,434 adjacent properties. 195 00:22:06,434 --> 00:22:11,148 Again, that's— I'm fitting in with the height restrictions that you guys have 196 00:22:11,148 --> 00:22:13,107 requested and have put in there. 197 00:22:13,107 --> 00:22:16,597 I'm not asking to I'm not asking for more height or even— 198 00:22:16,597 --> 00:22:20,882 I'm not even requesting to reduce that side setback to the right side, 199 00:22:20,882 --> 00:22:25,719 which would build that home closer to the one if you're looking at outer to the 200 00:22:25,719 --> 00:22:29,086 right. So that's the reason I put correct for all that. 201 00:22:29,086 --> 00:22:32,837 Okay. Thank you for the explanation. 202 00:22:32,837 --> 00:22:33,558 Yeah, of course. 203 00:22:33,558 --> 00:22:39,458 That's helpful. And I'm wondering if you have any figures for what the contextual 204 00:22:39,458 --> 00:22:40,259 setback is. 205 00:22:40,677 --> 00:22:40,951 Yeah. 206 00:22:40,951 --> 00:22:45,384 With the houses to the— on the street. 207 00:22:45,384 --> 00:22:45,691 Yep. 208 00:22:45,997 --> 00:22:46,303 Yes, ma'am. 209 00:22:46,303 --> 00:22:48,399 Are there any that have a 20-foot? 210 00:22:48,399 --> 00:22:53,817 So all the homes on Outer, the 4 that we took, which per code is 62 feet, 211 00:22:53,817 --> 00:22:58,048 0.78 of front setback, which we are staying in line with. 212 00:22:58,048 --> 00:23:04,060 Regarding the 20-foot The only one I can really think of that's across the street 213 00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:04,209 really think of that's across the street is 214 00:23:04,209 --> 00:23:06,658 abiding by, from what I can tell. 215 00:23:06,658 --> 00:23:11,260 We did not get that measured, but it looks like it is 40 feet. 216 00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:14,897 However, they do have the depth, and that's what— 217 00:23:14,897 --> 00:23:17,495 if you pull that up on Google Maps, 218 00:23:17,495 --> 00:23:23,359 you'll be able to see that they did an addition and were able to get the square 219 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:29,074 footage and build to the rear of the lot because they had that additional 20— 220 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:30,558 it was 20-plus feet, 221 00:23:30,558 --> 00:23:36,422 which is what I'm requesting for So I don't know if that answers your question. 222 00:23:36,422 --> 00:23:36,876 It does. 223 00:23:36,876 --> 00:23:37,493 Okay, great. 224 00:23:37,493 --> 00:23:39,696 Thank you. Yeah. 225 00:23:39,696 --> 00:23:47,593 I've got a question. Have you considered changing the address of the lot? 226 00:23:47,593 --> 00:23:50,175 I have not, no. 227 00:23:50,175 --> 00:23:53,863 It seems to me if it was a General Bait lot, 228 00:23:53,863 --> 00:24:00,486 the house would fit in a lot better on this lot and it wouldn't require I think 229 00:24:00,486 --> 00:24:00,654 this lot and it wouldn't require I think 20 230 00:24:00,654 --> 00:24:05,180 feet is very close and I'm not inclined to grant that. 231 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:11,971 But if you came— if you reoriented the house to face General Bate and changed the 232 00:24:11,971 --> 00:24:18,593 address to a General Bate address, I think that would solve your problems. Yes? 233 00:24:18,593 --> 00:24:23,335 I tried. And this has been years ago. 234 00:24:23,335 --> 00:24:24,061 Come on, stand up. 235 00:24:24,061 --> 00:24:25,836 You can come up here. 236 00:24:27,188 --> 00:24:28,824 This is being televised. 237 00:24:28,824 --> 00:24:30,700 Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. 238 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:33,667 People will want to hear what you're saying. 239 00:24:33,667 --> 00:24:34,084 Okay. 240 00:24:34,501 --> 00:24:38,787 No, I tried because I hate going to my mailbox on Outer. 241 00:24:38,787 --> 00:24:44,527 And my door is— my address is basically General Bay because that's where my 242 00:24:44,527 --> 00:24:45,139 General Bay because that's where my driveway 243 00:24:45,139 --> 00:24:51,032 is. The, uh, I went my— at Melrose is where— and I went there and they denied 244 00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:51,261 where— and I went there and they denied it. 245 00:24:51,261 --> 00:24:53,940 Now, that's been several years ago. 246 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:56,724 Who denied it? 247 00:24:56,724 --> 00:25:01,499 At the— I went to the post office at Melrose. 248 00:25:01,499 --> 00:25:04,477 Okay. But I don't— as a legal matter, 249 00:25:04,477 --> 00:25:09,145 I don't think that the post office can dictate to the City 250 00:25:09,145 --> 00:25:10,916 of Oak Hill how often— 251 00:25:10,916 --> 00:25:13,692 And I don't know, it's been several years. Right, sure. 252 00:25:13,773 --> 00:25:14,628 We're not questioning— 253 00:25:14,628 --> 00:25:15,403 Yeah, no, no. 254 00:25:15,468 --> 00:25:19,611 And I don't know who I talked to. Yeah, but I did, I did ask. 255 00:25:19,611 --> 00:25:23,821 I didn't make a, like, a formal request, I guess, if you will. 256 00:25:24,712 --> 00:25:26,081 I mean, but I, I agree. 257 00:25:26,307 --> 00:25:32,246 I've always felt like it really needed— however, 258 00:25:32,246 --> 00:25:39,051 I do sit directly across from another house in the same 259 00:25:39,051 --> 00:25:41,526 situation, but it's— 260 00:25:41,526 --> 00:25:46,071 I've seen this done. Within the last 5, 6 years in my neighborhood. 261 00:25:46,071 --> 00:25:50,956 So I think this is something you'd have to do with Metro. Is that right? 262 00:25:50,956 --> 00:25:53,941 I mean, I really don't know how it was done, 263 00:25:53,941 --> 00:25:56,926 but I just know it was done and can be done. 264 00:25:56,926 --> 00:26:01,540 I've, um, I pursued this on a project I'm currently building in Westmead. 265 00:26:01,540 --> 00:26:04,447 It's on the corner of Robin Hill and Davidson. 266 00:26:04,447 --> 00:26:07,228 And I tried to orient it towards Robin Hill. 267 00:26:07,228 --> 00:26:09,946 Metro said no, because they need The front, 268 00:26:09,946 --> 00:26:14,876 the shorter side of the lot is where the home has to face because I pushed for 269 00:26:14,876 --> 00:26:15,192 home has to face because I pushed for about 270 00:26:15,192 --> 00:26:19,174 5 months with Joey Hargis and they said the home has to orient, 271 00:26:19,174 --> 00:26:23,914 the front door has to orient on the shorter side of the lot for orientation 272 00:26:23,914 --> 00:26:29,160 cohesively across around on both sides of the block because I am on a corner on 401 273 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,648 Davidson's the address. But yeah, that's been my experience with Metro. 274 00:26:33,648 --> 00:26:37,315 Well, may I ask, if I may, Assuming that you could get it done, 275 00:26:37,315 --> 00:26:40,341 would there be any problem here with you doing that? 276 00:26:40,341 --> 00:26:43,019 Any other thing that— other than Metro saying— 277 00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:46,802 your belief that Metro wouldn't change your address and all that, 278 00:26:46,802 --> 00:26:49,654 if that could be done, would you be open to that? 279 00:26:49,654 --> 00:26:51,924 Because then it does look like what Mr. 280 00:26:51,924 --> 00:26:54,602 Diehl said, it may not need a variance at all. 281 00:26:54,602 --> 00:26:58,443 I don't know that because I'm not a surveyor, but it's real close. 282 00:26:58,443 --> 00:27:03,147 If that's the case, I would have to shoot the 4 homes contextually off General Bate, 283 00:27:03,147 --> 00:27:07,682 which we didn't do because we were under the assumption we would build off Outer. 284 00:27:07,682 --> 00:27:09,698 So I obviously don't have my laptop. 285 00:27:09,698 --> 00:27:11,908 Oh, I see what you're saying. 286 00:27:11,908 --> 00:27:15,719 The 62.78 building setback, if you turn the house, 287 00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:20,825 it would extend beyond the setbacks to the ones on— yeah, on Outer. 288 00:27:20,825 --> 00:27:25,782 And Marshall, if you have it available, figure Figure 4, with— 289 00:27:25,782 --> 00:27:27,540 under our definitions, 290 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:33,856 lays out the orientation of a front yard and side yard and rear yard for corner 291 00:27:33,856 --> 00:27:39,932 lots. And so having that example, and I would defer to you on this decision, 292 00:27:39,932 --> 00:27:45,847 does that then mean we are required to orient homes based on that building 293 00:27:45,847 --> 00:27:46,487 orient homes based on that building envelope 294 00:27:46,487 --> 00:27:50,564 and setbacks as shown in Figure 4 for a corner lot? 295 00:27:50,564 --> 00:27:53,291 Can you pull up Figure 4 for me? Can someone do that? 296 00:27:53,291 --> 00:27:54,788 I can do it. 297 00:27:54,788 --> 00:27:57,616 I don't have a hard copy. Give me just a second. 298 00:27:57,616 --> 00:28:01,211 I'm probably going to need to get around you to look at that. 299 00:28:01,211 --> 00:28:09,765 Yeah, no problem. 300 00:28:12,765 --> 00:28:17,553 Oh no, I'm sorry. 301 00:28:17,553 --> 00:28:21,496 That's Section 302 00:28:21,496 --> 00:28:23,468 14-113. 303 00:28:23,468 --> 00:28:25,886 What code section are you in? 304 00:28:25,886 --> 00:28:29,352 That is Section 14-113, Definitions. 305 00:28:29,352 --> 00:28:36,063 Okay. 306 00:28:39,063 --> 00:28:43,604 While they're looking this up, I do have a question. 307 00:28:43,604 --> 00:28:50,764 The renderings that you provided The side view to me appears to be equally as long 308 00:28:50,764 --> 00:28:53,383 or longer than the front view. 309 00:28:53,383 --> 00:29:00,019 But then when I look at the proposed footprint, that doesn't seem to reflect 310 00:29:00,019 --> 00:29:00,456 footprint, that doesn't seem to reflect that. 311 00:29:00,456 --> 00:29:02,377 Like if I look at the— 312 00:29:02,377 --> 00:29:08,227 I'm assuming you're talking about garage access off of General Bay? 313 00:29:08,227 --> 00:29:08,949 Correct. 314 00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:14,456 Is that— does that footprint truly match this rendering? 315 00:29:14,456 --> 00:29:18,807 The footprint that— yeah, I mean, the rendering is not— 316 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,284 so it's in the definitions— 317 00:29:20,734 --> 00:29:24,138 as scale as it probably should be. But yes, the access is going to be there. 318 00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:28,184 So you're, you're going to fill up that entire box, essentially? 319 00:29:28,184 --> 00:29:28,714 It would be— 320 00:29:29,099 --> 00:29:31,282 or close, closer to— 321 00:29:31,411 --> 00:29:31,571 yeah. 322 00:29:31,571 --> 00:29:31,844 Okay. 323 00:29:31,844 --> 00:29:32,454 Yes, sir. 324 00:29:32,454 --> 00:29:37,687 So the proposed residence as shown on this plan is not Reflective of what the 325 00:29:37,687 --> 00:29:40,133 proposed residence will actually be. 326 00:29:40,133 --> 00:29:43,722 It would be— if we have 50 feet, 3-car garage, 327 00:29:43,722 --> 00:29:47,077 we need 24 feet and then we have some room. 328 00:29:47,077 --> 00:29:53,085 So maybe the height's not correct, but that is the envelope that I can build, 329 00:29:53,085 --> 00:29:56,518 that I was proposing and going to build for. 330 00:29:56,518 --> 00:30:01,199 What I think is incorrect is just the rendering that I made. 331 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:02,393 Right. 332 00:30:02,393 --> 00:30:03,444 And that's my fault. 333 00:30:03,444 --> 00:30:09,306 Well, one thing, the chimney is on the left side and the garages are on the right 334 00:30:09,306 --> 00:30:09,668 side. 335 00:30:09,668 --> 00:30:10,412 Yeah. 336 00:30:10,412 --> 00:30:17,355 So, and the other thing I was going to mention too is it looks like the house, 337 00:30:17,355 --> 00:30:20,560 and the owner I think alluded to it, 338 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:27,415 directly across Outer is in that same situation where they've built a longer, 339 00:30:27,415 --> 00:30:33,735 narrower Correct. They're maybe not as restricted in the rear as yours. 340 00:30:33,735 --> 00:30:34,707 They have more depth. 341 00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:35,436 They're more depth. 342 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:39,092 Yeah, roughly 40 feet. 343 00:30:42,092 --> 00:30:44,416 Yeah. Yeah. I'm at what section now, Jeff? 344 00:30:44,658 --> 00:30:44,948 You were— 345 00:30:44,948 --> 00:30:49,896 You're on section 14-113, definitions. 346 00:30:49,896 --> 00:30:54,063 Definitions. And is it Figure 1, 347 00:30:54,063 --> 00:30:55,625 Lot Example? 348 00:30:55,625 --> 00:30:57,280 Figure 4. Figure 4. 349 00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:58,148 Sorry about that. 350 00:30:58,148 --> 00:31:02,233 Defined under yard, the term yard. 351 00:31:02,233 --> 00:31:03,624 Okay. 352 00:31:03,867 --> 00:31:09,691 Thank you. Okay. 353 00:31:10,273 --> 00:31:12,394 And again, if you restate the question for me. 354 00:31:12,394 --> 00:31:17,622 So in Figure 4, it shows an image and an exhibit layout of corner lot building 355 00:31:17,622 --> 00:31:19,164 envelopes and setbacks. 356 00:31:19,712 --> 00:31:19,985 Right. 357 00:31:19,985 --> 00:31:24,205 Which would specifically orient the front of a structure towards 358 00:31:24,205 --> 00:31:28,424 the more narrow street frontage, similar to what Metro requires. 359 00:31:28,424 --> 00:31:30,911 There's nothing in our ordinances. 360 00:31:30,911 --> 00:31:33,574 I'm not aware that OPO has a requirement— 361 00:31:33,574 --> 00:31:34,489 That we would require that. 362 00:31:34,489 --> 00:31:35,837 That we orient it that way. 363 00:31:35,837 --> 00:31:36,222 Okay. 364 00:31:36,222 --> 00:31:37,120 I understand that— 365 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:37,650 That's the clarification. 366 00:31:37,650 --> 00:31:42,371 Davidson Road, and I can see how you wouldn't want Davidson Road— 367 00:31:42,371 --> 00:31:47,745 I've driven it all my life— to end up with the sides of a bunch of houses. 368 00:31:47,745 --> 00:31:52,031 It's always been a drive where you saw the front of houses. 369 00:31:52,031 --> 00:31:55,735 So Metro may have some kind of a requirement there, 370 00:31:55,735 --> 00:32:00,165 but I'm not aware of a requirement for that here in Oak Hill. 371 00:32:00,165 --> 00:32:00,727 Okay. 372 00:32:00,727 --> 00:32:02,298 And even if there were, 373 00:32:02,298 --> 00:32:07,694 I think that this Board could grant a variance to allow the house to be turned. 374 00:32:07,694 --> 00:32:10,425 That would just be a different variance. 375 00:32:10,425 --> 00:32:13,840 And it looks like, according to the applicant, Mr. 376 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,367 Applicant, you would— if you do that, 377 00:32:16,367 --> 00:32:21,558 you'll have to grant a variance on Outer Drive so that it extends beyond the 378 00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:23,744 contextual setback. And further, 379 00:32:23,744 --> 00:32:29,003 if you're a neighbor and this matter was advertised as such and any neighbors 380 00:32:29,003 --> 00:32:29,413 advertised as such and any neighbors looked 381 00:32:29,413 --> 00:32:34,330 into it and thought, oh, well, he wants to have the house face this way, 382 00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:36,925 I don't I don't object to that at all, 383 00:32:36,925 --> 00:32:42,185 but somehow it ends up where it gets turned in the middle of this hearing and 384 00:32:42,185 --> 00:32:44,643 neighbors didn't get notice of that, 385 00:32:44,643 --> 00:32:49,834 they may have a feeling about that and the board may want to hear from them. 386 00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:51,513 Yeah, I don't think it's a variance— 387 00:32:51,513 --> 00:32:54,639 that variance is something we could grant today. Do you guys agree? 388 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:54,831 No. 389 00:32:54,831 --> 00:32:55,313 Yeah. 390 00:32:56,197 --> 00:32:57,418 That would have to be a future hearing. 391 00:32:57,418 --> 00:33:02,496 But you could, you know, we've done this before where a person says, hey, 392 00:33:02,496 --> 00:33:04,931 I need an one of these 2 variances. 393 00:33:04,931 --> 00:33:10,565 And he can give everybody notice of that and people can come and then you all can 394 00:33:10,565 --> 00:33:15,156 absorb all that comment and then decide what you think is correct. 395 00:33:15,156 --> 00:33:18,356 Either no variance at all or one or the other. 396 00:33:18,356 --> 00:33:23,851 We did that with that house that was in the small subdivision on Harding Place, 397 00:33:23,851 --> 00:33:24,477 remember? 398 00:33:24,477 --> 00:33:24,830 Yes. 399 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:29,004 I think Mitch Barnett may have been the architect and It was a nice couple, 400 00:33:29,004 --> 00:33:33,179 and she may have worked with Ms. Booth at the Attorney General— at the U.S. 401 00:33:33,179 --> 00:33:37,465 Attorney's Office, if I'm not mistaken. But you were not on the board at that 402 00:33:37,465 --> 00:33:37,743 But you were not on the board at that time. 403 00:33:37,743 --> 00:33:40,784 I don't think I'd remember that. 404 00:33:40,784 --> 00:33:45,498 But I'm just recollecting who that was, and I think it was a young woman, 405 00:33:45,498 --> 00:33:49,243 dark-haired, who had worked at the U.S. Attorney's Office. 406 00:33:49,243 --> 00:33:51,890 So, and there were options for the board. 407 00:33:51,890 --> 00:33:55,893 So I think that's an That is an option for you, but I believe— 408 00:33:55,893 --> 00:34:01,123 but everybody would need to get notice that it possibly could go that way so that 409 00:34:01,123 --> 00:34:03,835 they would have an opportunity to comment. 410 00:34:03,835 --> 00:34:08,226 And I, again, based on the applicant, I don't think that he has the— 411 00:34:08,226 --> 00:34:13,327 he can say this is not right, but I don't think he cares as long as he gets to, 412 00:34:13,327 --> 00:34:16,684 you know, build what he thinks the lot should yield. 413 00:34:16,684 --> 00:34:20,365 And because it's on a corner lot, it presents a hardship. 414 00:34:20,365 --> 00:34:25,659 And so I don't know that he cares one way or the other which way the house points, 415 00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:27,532 but he can say so if he does. 416 00:34:27,532 --> 00:34:29,735 Yeah, I would say that's accurate. 417 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:34,984 The biggest thing I want to ensure if we do flip it is how that's going to appear 418 00:34:34,984 --> 00:34:39,973 driving down Outer, if that's going to stick out with the side elevation when 419 00:34:39,973 --> 00:34:40,362 stick out with the side elevation when you're 420 00:34:40,362 --> 00:34:44,185 going down that street when everything is, again, lined up. 421 00:34:44,185 --> 00:34:46,907 across the street is facing Outer as well. 422 00:34:46,907 --> 00:34:51,378 Another thing to consider too is, at least that I'm thinking through, 423 00:34:51,378 --> 00:34:52,998 is if we flip that house, 424 00:34:52,998 --> 00:34:57,404 there's going to be a 40-foot rear setback now on that side elevate— 425 00:34:57,404 --> 00:35:00,385 or that right side if you're looking at Outer. 426 00:35:00,385 --> 00:35:05,439 Again, then if we're going to take a front setback from the 4 all the way down 427 00:35:05,439 --> 00:35:10,234 General Bate, this might actually shrink the envelope more than it is now, 428 00:35:10,234 --> 00:35:12,502 which Again, I can't speak on that. 429 00:35:12,502 --> 00:35:17,557 I did not get the shots down General Bate, but it might lead to a wider house, 430 00:35:17,557 --> 00:35:22,870 which is great. But if you're shrinking the depth of it, we're back to square one, 431 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:27,082 and it might even look funkier. So those are my thoughts on that. 432 00:35:27,082 --> 00:35:32,979 And it sounds like turning the house would still require a variance with a setback. 433 00:35:32,979 --> 00:35:34,195 Correct. 434 00:35:34,276 --> 00:35:35,200 Just a different setback. 435 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,459 One or both. 436 00:35:35,459 --> 00:35:37,015 Yes, potentially more than one. 437 00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:41,137 You could say, well, we don't want it to stick out that much on outer, 438 00:35:41,137 --> 00:35:45,411 so we'll shift it over and we'll let you get a little grace on the other side. 439 00:35:45,411 --> 00:35:47,548 So it would be all those possibilities. 440 00:35:47,548 --> 00:35:51,550 Would it make more sense to give them relief from the rear setback? 441 00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:55,142 Yeah, that's a question for you guys. 442 00:35:55,142 --> 00:35:57,606 Well, that would make more sense to me, 443 00:35:57,606 --> 00:36:00,827 but I don't think we're here to do his job for him. 444 00:36:03,404 --> 00:36:05,991 Mr. Diehl pointed out, which I think is true, 445 00:36:05,991 --> 00:36:10,704 is the lot is a rectangle and the house is a rectangle, but as currently situated, 446 00:36:10,704 --> 00:36:14,957 it's a— the rectangle is turned differently than the rectangle of the lot. 447 00:36:14,957 --> 00:36:19,613 And if you turn the house so that it meets the— follows the rectangle of the lot, 448 00:36:19,613 --> 00:36:23,924 it does seem to fit more naturally. And I think that was Mr. Diehl's point. 449 00:36:23,924 --> 00:36:27,148 Or build a house that's longer and more narrow. 450 00:36:27,148 --> 00:36:31,813 I mean, there are— it would not be unique in the City of Oak Hill to 451 00:36:31,813 --> 00:36:33,048 have such a house. 452 00:36:33,048 --> 00:36:35,347 Can you pull that up, Jeff? 453 00:36:35,411 --> 00:36:38,529 Can you pull up the parcel viewer and just look at it across the street there? 454 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:59,610 It is 4129. 455 00:37:03,009 --> 00:37:07,184 What is the square footage of the current house, approximately? 456 00:37:07,184 --> 00:37:12,214 1,500, give or take. 457 00:37:12,294 --> 00:37:13,922 So it's just a cross outer. 458 00:37:13,922 --> 00:37:21,600 Yeah. And is the current house within the setbacks? As they are dictated now? 459 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,956 It doesn't look like it from there. 460 00:37:22,956 --> 00:37:23,844 No. 461 00:37:23,844 --> 00:37:24,586 Yeah, that's the one. 462 00:37:24,586 --> 00:37:24,990 No, it's not. 463 00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:26,200 Yeah, that's the house. 464 00:37:26,346 --> 00:37:30,828 This is the house. That's the one we're talking about, 465 00:37:30,828 --> 00:37:36,887 but the one directly across out of— that one right there looks like it's— 466 00:37:36,887 --> 00:37:40,788 I think it is exactly on the rear setback line. 467 00:37:40,788 --> 00:37:44,938 It looks like it's 40 feet from the property line, 468 00:37:44,938 --> 00:37:49,918 but it appears to still honor The setback along General Bay. 469 00:37:49,918 --> 00:37:53,945 According to Metro's tax 470 00:37:53,945 --> 00:37:58,308 records, it's 1,706 square 471 00:37:58,308 --> 00:37:59,147 feet. 472 00:37:59,147 --> 00:38:00,719 It's actually 60 feet. 473 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,598 Can you zoom back out? I'm trying to get a picture. 474 00:38:04,598 --> 00:38:06,956 Where is the applicant's house? 475 00:38:06,956 --> 00:38:09,009 Just put your cursor on it. 476 00:38:09,009 --> 00:38:19,245 Right there. 477 00:38:22,245 --> 00:38:27,156 Yeah, of course. 478 00:38:30,156 --> 00:38:34,317 This is this house, all right, like right on the property line. 479 00:38:34,317 --> 00:38:36,694 Yes, I know, but it looks like that. 480 00:38:37,305 --> 00:38:41,994 We would have to assume that it's just right on the 15-foot side setback. 481 00:38:41,994 --> 00:38:44,136 Yeah. 482 00:38:46,176 --> 00:38:49,798 So if he got that kind of a variance and moved it over to where it's— 483 00:38:51,043 --> 00:38:51,253 I don't know. 484 00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:55,265 Yeah, it's hard. It's just hard to tell. 485 00:38:55,265 --> 00:38:57,145 Marshall, will you take the mic, please? 486 00:38:57,145 --> 00:38:59,732 Oh, sorry. I didn't want to— 487 00:38:59,732 --> 00:39:02,568 So Marshall, when we were meeting with the applicant, 488 00:39:02,568 --> 00:39:06,955 we did research all the permit records for the Lot that you were currently looking 489 00:39:06,955 --> 00:39:11,449 at, we did not have a permanent record of the construction of that house, nor did I— 490 00:39:11,449 --> 00:39:15,355 nor was I able to find any record of any sort of variance granted for it. 491 00:39:15,355 --> 00:39:19,804 It's hard to know with the tangents, but, you know, you've got— 492 00:39:19,804 --> 00:39:21,711 or these curves right here. 493 00:39:21,711 --> 00:39:26,231 This has got 84 feet and this is 76, and you got 33 here and 39. 494 00:39:26,231 --> 00:39:31,457 But then if you look in the back, you've got 108, and over here it's 99.5. 495 00:39:31,457 --> 00:39:33,999 So if they honored the 40 feet here, 496 00:39:33,999 --> 00:39:38,025 they're probably really close to the property line there. 497 00:39:38,025 --> 00:39:43,745 And he could do that if the board wanted him to shift the house further away from 498 00:39:43,745 --> 00:39:48,335 General Bates and closer to this property line. He could do that. 499 00:39:48,335 --> 00:39:51,584 That would reduce the setback another 10 feet. 500 00:39:52,745 --> 00:39:53,391 But those are— 501 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:58,038 again, those are all options for you guys to give him some direction. 502 00:39:58,038 --> 00:39:58,135 Okay. 503 00:39:58,386 --> 00:39:58,916 Thank you, sir. 504 00:39:58,916 --> 00:40:02,818 I think I'm having a little bit of a hard time with numbers 4 and number 7. 505 00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:04,848 And I recognize that we need, you know, 506 00:40:04,848 --> 00:40:07,241 to have homes that sort of fit in in Oak Hill, 507 00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:10,571 but I think we're seeing sort of repeat, you know, we're seeing— 508 00:40:10,571 --> 00:40:13,433 and I know you don't— haven't built in Oak Hill before, 509 00:40:13,433 --> 00:40:17,752 but we're seeing a lot of builders come in and want to put giant houses on the lot, 510 00:40:17,752 --> 00:40:20,354 and it's because they want to make a lot of money. 511 00:40:20,354 --> 00:40:22,539 And, you know, we have rules for a reason. 512 00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:26,702 We don't want to squish out the other homes and get rid of all the backyards and 513 00:40:26,702 --> 00:40:26,858 homes and get rid of all the backyards and all 514 00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:30,708 the side space and all the street frontage. And so I have a hard time with 515 00:40:30,708 --> 00:40:31,177 frontage. And so I have a hard time with number 4. 516 00:40:31,177 --> 00:40:34,507 Number 6, I mean, what is, you know, if we give a variance here, 517 00:40:34,507 --> 00:40:37,317 why isn't the next developer going to come in and say, 518 00:40:37,317 --> 00:40:40,751 I really want to build a giant house so I can make a lot of money? 519 00:40:40,751 --> 00:40:42,988 And then that puts us in the same position. 520 00:40:42,988 --> 00:40:45,902 So it's sort of like we're granting a special privilege. 521 00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:46,079 Uh-huh. 522 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,255 And then I think for number 7, you know, 523 00:40:48,255 --> 00:40:52,716 I'm not convinced that the reasonable use of this lot is a house with 5,500 square 524 00:40:52,716 --> 00:40:55,872 feet. I mean, there's a 1,700-square-foot house on it now. 525 00:40:55,872 --> 00:41:00,279 I'm not saying it has to be that size, but, you know, I mean, I think that there— 526 00:41:00,279 --> 00:41:04,740 I think there are— I think there are other options aside from this sort of massive 527 00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:06,209 expansion that's requested. 528 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:12,438 Those are my 2 cents. Come on, come on up. 529 00:41:12,438 --> 00:41:17,855 Since you spoke at the beginning, yes, 530 00:41:17,855 --> 00:41:19,423 absolutely. 531 00:41:19,423 --> 00:41:20,547 Thank you. I'm sorry. 532 00:41:20,547 --> 00:41:22,314 You were one of the— you are one of the presenters. 533 00:41:22,314 --> 00:41:23,839 Well, I'm sorry. 534 00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:24,545 It's good. 535 00:41:24,545 --> 00:41:29,751 It's like 2 things. I agree with you 100%, okay? 536 00:41:29,751 --> 00:41:34,198 I've witnessed what you're talking about, 537 00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:41,030 and that's why I've been very choosy on who I have talked with, 538 00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:45,477 and I've turned down multiple developers. 539 00:41:45,477 --> 00:41:52,527 I have, a year ago, watched 2 houses being built at the same time 540 00:41:52,527 --> 00:41:59,251 on my corner lot. One on outer did exactly what you're talking 541 00:41:59,251 --> 00:41:59,902 about. 542 00:41:59,902 --> 00:42:00,962 Okay. 543 00:42:00,962 --> 00:42:04,460 The other one did it respectfully. 544 00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:10,015 I've had conversations to say that's what I want done. 545 00:42:10,015 --> 00:42:13,306 And I am investing that into it. 546 00:42:13,306 --> 00:42:15,981 Because across the street, 547 00:42:15,981 --> 00:42:21,742 I've watched Tall Skinnies and I've watched Green Hills. 548 00:42:21,742 --> 00:42:29,560 I mean, I'm old Nashville. I'm going to be straight. And this is killing me. 549 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:37,275 And that's why I say I respect I respect the restrictions that Oak Hill has 550 00:42:37,275 --> 00:42:42,933 done, but I also have to accept that here's what it is. 551 00:42:42,933 --> 00:42:48,797 So do I work with the developer and agree to go this far, 552 00:42:48,797 --> 00:42:50,957 which they have done, 553 00:42:50,957 --> 00:42:58,673 to get what I believe would be great and have what you're talking about and 554 00:42:58,673 --> 00:43:00,936 meet that requirement. 555 00:43:00,936 --> 00:43:06,285 So I guess that's where I'm saying it, because I am— 556 00:43:06,285 --> 00:43:11,840 I am invested in the neighborhood and what it's worth. 557 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,965 It's clear that you are, 558 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:16,386 and I do appreciate all the hard work that you're doing to find somebody. 559 00:43:16,386 --> 00:43:19,854 And, you know, I don't want to say that you're not being respectful of the 560 00:43:19,854 --> 00:43:20,276 you're not being respectful of the processes 561 00:43:20,276 --> 00:43:23,369 or that you're going to build an ugly house or anything like that. 562 00:43:23,369 --> 00:43:26,977 I don't want to come across like that. I think it's just in terms of process. 563 00:43:26,977 --> 00:43:30,258 I think that's kind of where my mind is sitting, but I'll defer to my— 564 00:43:30,258 --> 00:43:36,165 As some additional background, the home located at 4108 General Bate, 565 00:43:36,165 --> 00:43:40,703 which is the home which would be at the rear of this, 566 00:43:40,703 --> 00:43:47,038 and the home that shares the northeastern property line are both in excess 567 00:43:47,038 --> 00:44:00,223 of 5,400 square feet. 568 00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:03,319 Big. 569 00:44:03,433 --> 00:44:08,525 You might just stand up when she gets it up. He gets it up. Point there. 570 00:44:11,525 --> 00:44:15,605 Well, while he's pulling that up, the— there we go. 571 00:44:15,605 --> 00:44:17,206 You have the option, 572 00:44:17,206 --> 00:44:22,486 and I believe I believe this was deferred from a previous meeting, 573 00:44:22,486 --> 00:44:27,607 but if you want to investigate turning it and checking into the, 574 00:44:27,607 --> 00:44:34,167 the change and what the measurements would be and what that would be and come back 575 00:44:34,167 --> 00:44:40,648 and offer 2 choices to see if we could come to an agreement on a variance or not, 576 00:44:40,648 --> 00:44:42,728 but we would have options. 577 00:44:42,728 --> 00:44:43,017 Yes. 578 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,192 That you have that possibility if that's what 579 00:44:48,192 --> 00:44:52,237 you want to do as opposed to having us vote 580 00:44:52,237 --> 00:44:52,613 now— 581 00:44:52,613 --> 00:44:56,498 Having us vote to reduce the setback by half, 582 00:44:56,498 --> 00:44:59,779 which is probably not going to happen. 583 00:44:59,779 --> 00:45:04,615 I mean, my suggestion would be to design something else. 584 00:45:04,615 --> 00:45:08,500 I mean, obviously, this is a very large site. 585 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:14,976 There's not a whole lot of— I'm not looking at a lot of effort with these 2 586 00:45:14,976 --> 00:45:15,580 looking at a lot of effort with these 2 photos. 587 00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:22,056 So I would go for— if no one has the stomach to try and go through Metro to 588 00:45:22,056 --> 00:45:22,401 stomach to try and go through Metro to have 589 00:45:22,401 --> 00:45:29,222 the address changed on the tax records, then I would— my recommendation anyway, 590 00:45:29,222 --> 00:45:34,489 this is personal— would be to reorient the house and make it— 591 00:45:34,489 --> 00:45:34,643 Yes. 592 00:45:36,791 --> 00:45:40,388 more narrow but deeper and go for a different 593 00:45:40,388 --> 00:45:42,867 variance, possibly in the rear, 594 00:45:42,867 --> 00:45:45,265 which might be more palatable. 595 00:45:45,265 --> 00:45:47,610 What— 596 00:45:48,218 --> 00:45:49,714 thank you for that recommendation. 597 00:45:49,763 --> 00:45:50,454 I appreciate that. 598 00:45:52,742 --> 00:45:59,239 Is there a— is there hesitancy on a specific number reducing that reduction 599 00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,499 specific number reducing that reduction off 600 00:45:59,499 --> 00:46:06,255 general base? Is it something that you guys can stomach if it's instead of 40, 601 00:46:06,255 --> 00:46:06,515 25? 602 00:46:06,515 --> 00:46:08,842 It's hard to know without seeing. 603 00:46:08,842 --> 00:46:12,291 I think part of it, too, is that we don't have real information. 604 00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:12,580 Right. 605 00:46:12,580 --> 00:46:16,803 You know, it's just a— it's a rendering that is not real. 606 00:46:16,803 --> 00:46:20,877 And the proposed residence that's hatched on this plan, 607 00:46:20,877 --> 00:46:23,248 I'm not sure that's real either. 608 00:46:23,248 --> 00:46:24,034 That's the envelope. 609 00:46:24,034 --> 00:46:25,559 That is the envelope. 610 00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:26,056 That's an envelope. 611 00:46:26,056 --> 00:46:26,553 That is the envelope. 612 00:46:27,389 --> 00:46:29,065 Yes, the footprint. That's the footprint. 613 00:46:29,065 --> 00:46:36,391 Yes, but typically we have much more detailed plans for the houses 614 00:46:36,391 --> 00:46:40,053 than we're looking at right here. 615 00:46:40,053 --> 00:46:47,268 It doesn't seem that there's a tree issue. Yeah, and that's nice. 616 00:46:47,268 --> 00:46:51,486 You guys are helpful with all of that. 617 00:46:51,486 --> 00:46:56,370 But really, This is— this seems preliminary, 618 00:46:56,370 --> 00:47:03,806 and I think what I'm hearing is maybe reducing the house size would 619 00:47:03,806 --> 00:47:08,357 enable you to ask for a smaller variance, 620 00:47:08,357 --> 00:47:11,798 that half seems like excessive, 621 00:47:11,798 --> 00:47:17,570 and that would be the variance The minimum variance, 622 00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:24,118 that's number 7. This half seems like that's probably not a 623 00:47:24,118 --> 00:47:29,446 minimum. And there are alternatives to consider. 624 00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:34,330 So it's not— I'm not hearing a hard no, but— 625 00:47:34,330 --> 00:47:36,035 Yeah, for sure. And again, 626 00:47:36,035 --> 00:47:41,217 I tried to simplify making a 20-foot reduction because I know that would get us 627 00:47:41,217 --> 00:47:41,348 reduction because I know that would get us to 628 00:47:41,348 --> 00:47:46,070 the envelope that I need that still allows to build a home that fits the 629 00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:49,481 neighborhood. Back to the comment about large homes, 630 00:47:49,481 --> 00:47:54,662 I did want to mention I'm restricted by the size of this lot to build a massive 631 00:47:54,662 --> 00:47:57,810 house. It is what it is. So that's why I'm here. 632 00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:01,877 I wouldn't— I wish I wasn't here to talk about this, you know. 633 00:48:01,877 --> 00:48:07,123 I wish I had 199 feet or 200 feet in depth where I could push it back like every 634 00:48:07,123 --> 00:48:10,665 other home. Uh, and majority of those homes in Zone B. 635 00:48:10,665 --> 00:48:13,551 We're not on a corner, but it is what it is. 636 00:48:13,551 --> 00:48:17,069 But, but if you were dealing with the depth of the property, 637 00:48:17,069 --> 00:48:20,001 that would be a much more understandable hardship. 638 00:48:20,001 --> 00:48:22,103 Which I am, right? 639 00:48:22,103 --> 00:48:23,836 No, it's really— 640 00:48:23,836 --> 00:48:24,349 you're not. 641 00:48:24,718 --> 00:48:25,504 This is a side— 642 00:48:25,841 --> 00:48:27,767 this is a side setback we're dealing with here. 643 00:48:27,767 --> 00:48:31,553 I understand. Yeah, but the depth is 177, which is why I can't go. 644 00:48:31,553 --> 00:48:35,416 That's what I understand what you're saying, but it, 645 00:48:35,416 --> 00:48:41,285 it is a very real hardship if you're trying to build a house that's necessarily 646 00:48:41,285 --> 00:48:44,034 deeper because of the setbacks along— 647 00:48:44,034 --> 00:48:48,120 the setback along General Bay that has to be respected, 648 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:54,138 then that's a much more understandable hardship if you have to go deeper into the 649 00:48:54,138 --> 00:48:55,104 rear setback. 650 00:48:55,104 --> 00:49:00,070 I get it. I guess my assumption was going 40 foot off of General Bay creates a 651 00:49:00,070 --> 00:49:04,463 narrower envelope than most homes. A narrower house per homes across. 652 00:49:04,463 --> 00:49:07,009 But I understand what you're saying too. 653 00:49:07,009 --> 00:49:12,039 I didn't know what was the most important to you guys regarding a reduction off 654 00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:16,050 General Bade, off the rear, off the side, which is kind of why— 655 00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:21,016 and like I said before, this is the first time I've been in front of you guys, 656 00:49:21,016 --> 00:49:22,671 so I'm learning, you know. 657 00:49:22,671 --> 00:49:22,928 Yeah. 658 00:49:22,928 --> 00:49:28,295 Um, so it sounds like— and please correct me if I'm wrong, 659 00:49:28,295 --> 00:49:34,773 I can Maybe next meeting or have it shown envelope of a reduction of a 660 00:49:34,773 --> 00:49:38,937 rear setback, maybe a side, maybe a mix of 3. 661 00:49:38,937 --> 00:49:43,101 I mean, what would be better to resolve this? 662 00:49:43,101 --> 00:49:49,004 You know, and I'll just make the comment for what it's worth that it is so close 663 00:49:49,004 --> 00:49:54,612 that your proposed footprint for this house If you put it in the square that 664 00:49:54,612 --> 00:49:54,981 house If you put it in the square that would 665 00:49:54,981 --> 00:50:01,032 exist with the existing setbacks, it would require some architectural adjustments. 666 00:50:01,032 --> 00:50:03,024 But gosh, that is so close. 667 00:50:03,024 --> 00:50:07,304 You're still going to be able to build a really big house. 668 00:50:07,304 --> 00:50:12,912 It just may not be exactly the way that one— you see what I'm talking about? 669 00:50:12,912 --> 00:50:13,137 Yes. 670 00:50:13,137 --> 00:50:17,718 From here to here to here, that's— I just don't have measurements on it, 671 00:50:17,718 --> 00:50:22,553 but that is a really big house, and you may not lose Hardly any square feet. 672 00:50:22,553 --> 00:50:26,052 And it just would make it very easy for this board not, 673 00:50:26,052 --> 00:50:29,806 not to have to grant you a variance when it's not required. 674 00:50:29,806 --> 00:50:32,351 And that's what they're struggling with. 675 00:50:32,351 --> 00:50:36,932 You know, if you built a house that's from here to here to here to here, 676 00:50:36,932 --> 00:50:41,958 that is a lot of house. It's just not the same shape rectangle that you've got. 677 00:50:41,958 --> 00:50:44,294 Yes, sir. I got plans drawn for that. 678 00:50:44,294 --> 00:50:49,407 The square footage does not match what is in the neighborhood, but 2, the height. 679 00:50:49,407 --> 00:50:53,321 And this is what I brought up at the beginning with your zone— 680 00:50:53,321 --> 00:50:54,899 zones in 1 on both sides. 681 00:50:54,899 --> 00:50:58,181 You're going to have a much taller house than wider, 682 00:50:58,181 --> 00:51:02,853 and there's a specific ratio architects prefer, and we're past that ratio. 683 00:51:02,853 --> 00:51:05,819 So I— In my opinion, you're driving down Outer, 684 00:51:05,819 --> 00:51:10,806 you're going to see a home that's much taller than width or in that sweet spot. 685 00:51:10,806 --> 00:51:15,667 Spot, in my opinion, is going to stick out, which is why I've requested this. 686 00:51:15,667 --> 00:51:19,466 Well, there you go. I mean, I think the board spoke— but not spoken, 687 00:51:19,466 --> 00:51:21,310 but you hear what they're saying. 688 00:51:21,310 --> 00:51:24,103 Yeah, yeah, you got to decide what you want to do. 689 00:51:24,103 --> 00:51:27,701 And keep in mind, just because there are 5,500-square-foot houses in the 690 00:51:27,701 --> 00:51:28,751 neighborhood, I mean, 691 00:51:28,751 --> 00:51:32,699 I've got a house across the street from me that's 3 times the size of my house. 692 00:51:33,068 --> 00:51:35,270 So 3 times the size? 693 00:51:35,687 --> 00:51:37,315 Yeah, of my own house. 694 00:51:37,315 --> 00:51:43,086 So Because there are 5,500 square foot houses in the neighborhood doesn't mean 695 00:51:43,086 --> 00:51:47,673 somehow you have the right to build a 5,500 square foot house. 696 00:51:47,673 --> 00:51:52,713 Yeah, right. I guess the reason I— take the square footage aside. 697 00:51:52,906 --> 00:51:53,067 Okay. 698 00:51:53,373 --> 00:51:57,199 You know, the envelope that it currently sits at is going to— 699 00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:01,339 if it was me or you guys rejected it and someone did build a home, 700 00:52:01,339 --> 00:52:06,044 it's going to cause a home that's much taller in width in comparison to the 701 00:52:06,044 --> 00:52:06,420 taller in width in comparison to the actual 702 00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:11,375 width of the house, which in my opinion may stick out substantially compared to 703 00:52:11,375 --> 00:52:13,257 everything else on that block. 704 00:52:13,257 --> 00:52:17,764 So as long as it stays within the height restrictions, I doubt that it's going to— 705 00:52:17,764 --> 00:52:19,083 that it would stick out. 706 00:52:19,083 --> 00:52:19,644 Yeah. 707 00:52:19,933 --> 00:52:20,094 Okay. 708 00:52:21,201 --> 00:52:26,562 Um, so the process is me just requesting— 709 00:52:26,562 --> 00:52:31,110 Requesting a deferral, and, and by Requesting a deferral, you don't pay 710 00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:31,494 Requesting a deferral, you don't pay again. 711 00:52:31,494 --> 00:52:36,041 If you, you know, if you want us to vote on this variance, we can vote, 712 00:52:36,041 --> 00:52:41,293 and then you can come back again and pay and do another variance if you want to do 713 00:52:41,293 --> 00:52:42,062 it that way. 714 00:52:42,062 --> 00:52:42,767 Okay. 715 00:52:42,767 --> 00:52:48,945 But be certain that you've asked for the variance options that you think 716 00:52:48,945 --> 00:52:53,150 are ones that are viable for what you want to do, 717 00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:55,381 and they can be different? 718 00:52:55,381 --> 00:52:55,928 Okay. 719 00:52:55,928 --> 00:52:57,215 Based on what you've heard. 720 00:52:57,215 --> 00:52:57,779 Okay. 721 00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:02,418 I'm going to ask for a deferral, obviously. 722 00:53:02,418 --> 00:53:06,255 So I come prepared with everything you guys want, 723 00:53:06,255 --> 00:53:11,032 because my understanding was provide elevations, which I did. 724 00:53:11,032 --> 00:53:14,243 Yes, they're not accurate on the chimney, 725 00:53:14,243 --> 00:53:19,882 but they are to the envelope that I shared. Do you guys want floor plans 726 00:53:19,882 --> 00:53:20,352 shared. Do you guys want floor plans drawn? 727 00:53:20,352 --> 00:53:24,268 Do you want me to Do a full— I mean, spec on this? 728 00:53:24,268 --> 00:53:26,980 The more specific you can be, 729 00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:32,217 the more helpful it will be for us to make sense of what 730 00:53:32,217 --> 00:53:34,649 you're asking for and why. 731 00:53:34,649 --> 00:53:35,678 Okay. 732 00:53:35,678 --> 00:53:36,320 Yeah. 733 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,102 They don't approve architectural elevations here. 734 00:53:39,102 --> 00:53:42,919 We're not looking at that to approve those. 735 00:53:42,919 --> 00:53:45,670 That's the Planning Commission. 736 00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:48,422 But it helps us understand Why— 737 00:53:48,422 --> 00:53:53,393 or it would help me understand why one variation is more 738 00:53:53,393 --> 00:53:55,523 reasonable than another. 739 00:53:55,523 --> 00:53:56,807 Mm-hmm. 740 00:53:56,807 --> 00:54:03,239 Why it would be more of a minimum variance that will make possible the reasonable 741 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,162 use of land. For me, it's number 7 that is the sticking point. 742 00:54:08,162 --> 00:54:13,800 So going away with a deferral and thinking, okay, what are the minimum, 743 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,276 thinking, okay, what are the minimum, where, 744 00:54:14,276 --> 00:54:18,881 where can I compromise, where can I adjust, and what will— 745 00:54:18,881 --> 00:54:21,105 how will the board see that? 746 00:54:21,105 --> 00:54:27,060 I would see, for example, you've asked for a 20-foot, 50% reduction, right? 747 00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:32,936 That's a lot. If you came back and asked for a fourth, I'm thinking, well, 748 00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:35,080 he did some thinking there. 749 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:35,518 Yeah. 750 00:54:35,518 --> 00:54:40,557 If you came back and asked and it was a 4,500 square foot house. 751 00:54:40,557 --> 00:54:43,550 You're looking to move toward minimum, 752 00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:49,691 and that is what we're hoping for because we have to stick to these standards. 753 00:54:49,691 --> 00:54:50,715 Is that fair? 754 00:54:50,715 --> 00:54:51,197 Yes. 755 00:54:51,422 --> 00:54:51,679 Yes. 756 00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:54,729 Okay. To be helpful. 757 00:54:54,729 --> 00:54:55,725 Yeah, that's very helpful. 758 00:54:55,725 --> 00:55:00,249 I mean, that's what— and those are your decisions, not mine, 759 00:55:00,249 --> 00:55:03,416 but that's the trajectory and the pattern. 760 00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:05,960 Understood. 761 00:55:06,251 --> 00:55:06,380 Okay. 762 00:55:07,107 --> 00:55:07,366 Then, yeah. 763 00:55:07,366 --> 00:55:13,275 Okay. Well, the deferral is granted and you can work with 764 00:55:13,275 --> 00:55:19,288 Patrick to get on the next agenda and we'll go from there. 765 00:55:19,288 --> 00:55:23,498 We'll set a meeting and we'll look at some options and work through the code to make 766 00:55:23,498 --> 00:55:27,407 sure we don't have a blind spot or any other conflicts and we'll bring it back 767 00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:27,607 other conflicts and we'll bring it back when 768 00:55:27,607 --> 00:55:27,908 we're— 769 00:55:27,908 --> 00:55:31,240 And perhaps they can be updated. First, if they— 770 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,260 Yeah, we always place deferrals at the top of the agenda. 771 00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:36,199 Deferrals at the top, so you— 772 00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:40,963 this is a unique meeting when we only have one. 773 00:55:40,963 --> 00:55:43,700 Usually there's 6 or 7, so. 774 00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:45,060 Yes, welcome back, Kath. 775 00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:47,540 Okay. All right. Thank you. 776 00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:48,240 Yeah, thank you, everyone. 777 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,460 And we'll see you again, we think. 778 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:51,160 Yes. 779 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,540 Okay. All right. 780 00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:52,080 Thank you, guys. 781 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,000 Appreciate it. 782 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,300 Thank you. Thanks. 783 00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:54,560 Thank you. 784 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,797 All right. This meeting is adjourned. 785 00:55:56,797 --> 00:56:02,155 Short meeting. 786 00:56:05,155 --> 00:56:06,470 Short end.