1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,827 Let's go ahead and— 2 00:00:00,827 --> 00:00:03,587 yeah, go ahead and get started. 3 00:00:03,587 --> 00:00:08,177 Please ensure your 4 00:00:08,177 --> 00:00:13,023 microphones are on. 5 00:00:14,009 --> 00:00:14,639 Thank you. 6 00:00:14,639 --> 00:00:19,357 Okay, yeah, we're ready to go back on, I believe. 7 00:00:19,357 --> 00:00:22,535 Um, okay, um, so this is the, um, 8 00:00:22,535 --> 00:00:28,890 workshop meeting of the Board of Commissioners, uh, for Wednesday, 9 00:00:28,890 --> 00:00:35,245 August 19th, 2026, and we have— all of the Commissioners are here, 10 00:00:35,245 --> 00:00:37,171 so we have a quorum. 11 00:00:37,171 --> 00:00:43,911 However, we will not be transacting any official business where we are 12 00:00:43,911 --> 00:00:46,414 taking votes and suchlike, 13 00:00:46,414 --> 00:00:53,155 but we will be discussing issues that we are going to be dealing with. 14 00:00:53,155 --> 00:00:57,295 So if I could, we have got 3 items on here. 15 00:00:57,295 --> 00:01:03,554 I wonder if, if the illegal parking discussion ought to go first. 16 00:01:03,554 --> 00:01:07,654 Uh, it will be quick, so— That's what I thought. 17 00:01:07,654 --> 00:01:14,487 So if you all will look at your, um, your sheet that looks like this right here. 18 00:01:14,487 --> 00:01:16,281 Um, so what you have— 19 00:01:16,281 --> 00:01:22,345 I'm glad you're doing this first because you are going to see a kinder, 20 00:01:22,345 --> 00:01:24,139 gentler Steve Collie. 21 00:01:24,236 --> 00:01:24,706 Okay, so what I— 22 00:01:24,706 --> 00:01:26,535 What happened to you? 23 00:01:26,535 --> 00:01:32,545 What I'm going to propose here After, um, after a couple of years of, 24 00:01:32,545 --> 00:01:39,599 of having this parking issue, um, several people have said things about warnings. 25 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:46,306 And, and, and my philosophy over the years of managing police departments and 26 00:01:46,306 --> 00:01:52,054 security details and those things like that is that You know, the, 27 00:01:52,054 --> 00:01:57,715 the ticket writer is not the judge. We are the compliance person. 28 00:01:57,715 --> 00:02:03,377 So if there's someone out of compliance, we point it out to them. 29 00:02:03,377 --> 00:02:08,254 The judge is the one that's going to have mercy on them. 30 00:02:08,254 --> 00:02:12,260 It's not going to be the ticket writer or the, 31 00:02:12,260 --> 00:02:15,744 or the safety official or the policeman. 32 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:20,535 And after watching this roll out for several years now, 33 00:02:20,535 --> 00:02:26,980 I feel like that we could introduce this warning, parking warning program, 34 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:33,076 and not just give a warning, but also have a tracking system for that. 35 00:02:33,076 --> 00:02:37,083 And also provide some education along the way. 36 00:02:37,083 --> 00:02:44,138 So if somebody is parked in front of their house and they had to park in front of 37 00:02:44,138 --> 00:02:49,973 the house because somebody was blocking their driveway or whatever, 38 00:02:49,973 --> 00:02:56,592 and they went inside and they took the groceries and they forgot the car was 39 00:02:56,592 --> 00:02:57,115 groceries and they forgot the car was parked 40 00:02:57,115 --> 00:03:03,734 in the street, and finally, uh, while they were in there cooking dinner, uh, 41 00:03:03,734 --> 00:03:07,915 they forgot about the car and they got a ticket. 42 00:03:07,915 --> 00:03:12,008 And, um, I've been pretty heartless about that. 43 00:03:12,008 --> 00:03:15,579 Park in a traffic lane, you get a ticket. 44 00:03:15,579 --> 00:03:21,502 Sorry, go pay the ticket or go cry to the judge. But I have changed. 45 00:03:21,502 --> 00:03:23,505 I have had an epiphany. 46 00:03:23,505 --> 00:03:24,419 Okay. 47 00:03:24,419 --> 00:03:28,462 I, I feel like that there is probably some, um, 48 00:03:28,462 --> 00:03:33,107 leeway for housewives or people to park in the street, 49 00:03:33,107 --> 00:03:39,387 but if they are going to do that You know, we're not here to try to make— 50 00:03:39,387 --> 00:03:43,000 to try to run the city on parking tickets, 51 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,850 but we are here to try to run the city in a safe and, um, in a safe, 52 00:03:48,850 --> 00:03:55,216 coordinated fashion. So I believe we could use this parking ticket format. 53 00:03:55,216 --> 00:04:00,979 And what you see here is actually a ticket that would be like this. 54 00:04:00,979 --> 00:04:03,302 It would be front and back. 55 00:04:03,302 --> 00:04:08,721 It'd be a ticket on the front and this information on the back. 56 00:04:08,721 --> 00:04:11,388 And what this says on the back, 57 00:04:11,388 --> 00:04:18,184 it just says that there are rules and regulations that are done for the purpose 58 00:04:18,184 --> 00:04:18,356 regulations that are done for the purpose of 59 00:04:18,356 --> 00:04:23,173 keeping you safe. And if we— if you continue to do this, 60 00:04:23,173 --> 00:04:29,969 you will get a ticket and have to go pay your fine or go in front of the judge. 61 00:04:29,969 --> 00:04:32,894 So, so this is what we want to do. 62 00:04:32,894 --> 00:04:39,862 And it can be a trial program or we can run it for a year and see how this works. 63 00:04:39,862 --> 00:04:47,088 But it will probably get less phone calls to you all for people that got tickets and 64 00:04:47,088 --> 00:04:51,819 had to come pay a fine. But that's not what my goal is. 65 00:04:51,819 --> 00:04:58,615 My goal is not to cut down the phone calls you get. I hope you get phone calls. 66 00:04:58,615 --> 00:04:58,871 Yeah. 67 00:04:58,871 --> 00:05:03,862 Because you're really kind of the eyes and ears. We can't be everywhere. 68 00:05:03,862 --> 00:05:08,784 But if you get a phone call, then I know that people— that we're doing— 69 00:05:08,784 --> 00:05:14,052 we're either doing what we need to do or we're not doing what we need to do. 70 00:05:14,052 --> 00:05:17,311 So it doesn't bother me if you get phone calls. 71 00:05:17,311 --> 00:05:22,510 In fact, I hope you do get phone calls. And that's the way we make friends. 72 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:26,184 But anyway, so this is what we're going to try to do. 73 00:05:26,184 --> 00:05:31,175 This ticket, as you'll see, there's a little perforated edge on the top. 74 00:05:31,175 --> 00:05:36,651 We will keep that. And we'll keep that. As a, um, as a, a ticket and a warning. 75 00:05:36,651 --> 00:05:42,128 And I believe there's a way that we can put the, um, the license plate on that, 76 00:05:42,128 --> 00:05:45,109 and then we'll leave this, um, other piece, 77 00:05:45,109 --> 00:05:49,407 the long piece that says what the violation was, and, and, uh, 78 00:05:49,407 --> 00:05:54,675 and our public service announcement on the back. So we can start doing this. 79 00:05:54,675 --> 00:05:54,884 Okay. 80 00:05:56,746 --> 00:06:01,120 And see how this works, because we're not collecting— well, we, 81 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,453 I guess we are collecting some fees for parking, 82 00:06:04,453 --> 00:06:10,077 and sometimes it's pretty blatant that, that if people are parking in the street, 83 00:06:10,077 --> 00:06:12,854 in the roadway, that they need a ticket. 84 00:06:12,854 --> 00:06:17,576 But for some of the other things that we think that are not blatant, 85 00:06:17,576 --> 00:06:22,297 we could do a warning ticket, and this is what this would look like. 86 00:06:22,297 --> 00:06:22,425 Okay. 87 00:06:23,204 --> 00:06:25,081 So before we roll that out, 88 00:06:25,081 --> 00:06:30,849 I wanted you all to know that I've kind of rolled back on my position on parking in 89 00:06:30,849 --> 00:06:35,159 the street just a little bit. So this is what we'd like to do. 90 00:06:35,159 --> 00:06:38,078 So I'm just going to throw it open to you, 91 00:06:38,078 --> 00:06:40,997 see if you have any questions or comments. 92 00:06:40,997 --> 00:06:44,414 Seems like a reasonable step. 93 00:06:45,228 --> 00:06:46,204 I have one question. 94 00:06:47,928 --> 00:06:51,086 How many tickets a year Or a month do we get? 95 00:06:51,086 --> 00:06:52,144 Wrong question. I don't know. 96 00:06:52,144 --> 00:06:53,059 10? 97 00:06:53,059 --> 00:06:57,922 I don't know. I don't— I did not— did I? I was— we were busy making this. 98 00:06:57,922 --> 00:06:59,988 I didn't look up any, uh, data. 99 00:06:59,988 --> 00:07:05,451 But there's enough that people are calling and complaining that they got a ticket. 100 00:07:05,451 --> 00:07:10,514 So, uh, we can find that out. We've got information on that, but I couldn't— 101 00:07:10,514 --> 00:07:10,819 I couldn't— 102 00:07:10,819 --> 00:07:14,862 Do you know if the people getting the tickets, are they residents of Oak Hill? 103 00:07:16,044 --> 00:07:20,687 It's about half and half. Half are residents, half are contractors. 104 00:07:20,687 --> 00:07:24,153 And the half that are contractors and lawn people, 105 00:07:24,153 --> 00:07:26,717 and then the other half is residents. 106 00:07:26,717 --> 00:07:29,151 Your court clerk can answer that. 107 00:07:29,151 --> 00:07:30,719 Yeah, I was going to ask her. There you go. 108 00:07:30,719 --> 00:07:31,960 Yes, sir. 109 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:32,948 What do you got? 110 00:07:32,948 --> 00:07:39,349 The parking citations predominantly are from landscape companies. 111 00:07:39,349 --> 00:07:43,486 I would like to say Every once in a while, 112 00:07:43,486 --> 00:07:47,129 I believe maybe a resident homeowner. 113 00:07:47,129 --> 00:07:53,038 I believe there's an estimate of 1 to 2 citations per month, 114 00:07:53,038 --> 00:07:54,614 possibly 3 tops. 115 00:07:54,614 --> 00:07:56,965 What'd she say? 116 00:07:56,965 --> 00:07:59,832 About 3. 3 tickets per month. 117 00:07:59,832 --> 00:08:00,284 3 tickets per month. 118 00:08:00,284 --> 00:08:00,591 Yeah. 119 00:08:00,591 --> 00:08:01,496 1, 2, 3 max. 120 00:08:01,496 --> 00:08:04,436 And how many of those are landscaping guys? 121 00:08:04,436 --> 00:08:05,196 Mostly. 122 00:08:05,196 --> 00:08:05,599 Mostly. 123 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,980 Okay. Yeah, yeah, because it's got to be repeated. 124 00:08:09,980 --> 00:08:13,460 Yeah, violations, you know, it'll happen one time. 125 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:14,643 We don't need to— 126 00:08:14,643 --> 00:08:16,474 And they come in spurts. 127 00:08:16,474 --> 00:08:16,988 Yeah. 128 00:08:16,988 --> 00:08:17,389 Yeah. 129 00:08:18,803 --> 00:08:19,365 Yes, Commissioner? 130 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:24,826 I'm really disappointed that you've had an epiphany on your last day here, but okay. 131 00:08:25,067 --> 00:08:25,581 All right. 132 00:08:25,966 --> 00:08:30,203 I don't see anywhere on this about parking single file. Is that an issue? 133 00:08:30,203 --> 00:08:34,557 I mean, at some point we were discussing that because of health and safety, 134 00:08:34,557 --> 00:08:38,736 if you're having an event or, you know, people are coming to your house, 135 00:08:38,736 --> 00:08:42,741 they should be parking on one side of the street as opposed to other? 136 00:08:42,741 --> 00:08:46,683 Well, you know, for estate sales and yard sales, we have— 137 00:08:46,683 --> 00:08:52,493 we make them get a permit for that, and we tell them how that's supposed to be done. 138 00:08:52,493 --> 00:08:55,536 Now, if we come up on a garden party Or a T, 139 00:08:55,536 --> 00:09:01,069 then if they're parked in the street or if it looks like they're parked in a way 140 00:09:01,069 --> 00:09:06,602 that's going to cause a problem, we'll talk to them and ask them to move around. 141 00:09:06,602 --> 00:09:09,645 We won't try to give them a ticket for that. 142 00:09:09,645 --> 00:09:14,118 Steve, I like this, and I think this is a great approach, 143 00:09:14,118 --> 00:09:19,063 and I love the educational component of this because, you know, 144 00:09:19,063 --> 00:09:24,635 there are people who say they didn't know anything about it, et cetera. 145 00:09:24,635 --> 00:09:27,696 And so I like that. But I also thought— 146 00:09:27,696 --> 00:09:33,817 and I get easily confused on this one because we spent some— we spent a lot of 147 00:09:33,817 --> 00:09:34,210 because we spent some— we spent a lot of time, 148 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:37,506 not nearly as much as the fence ordinance, 149 00:09:37,506 --> 00:09:42,764 but we spent a lot of time on commercial parking several years ago. 150 00:09:42,764 --> 00:09:43,181 Right. 151 00:09:43,181 --> 00:09:48,859 And I thought we had come up with something on that that basically 152 00:09:48,859 --> 00:09:49,719 something on that that basically prohibited 153 00:09:49,719 --> 00:09:55,483 commercial parking, namely contractors and their various employees. 154 00:09:55,483 --> 00:09:58,150 And then, but for other people, 155 00:09:58,150 --> 00:10:03,828 it was to be sure that you had 2 wheels off the road and that you— 156 00:10:03,828 --> 00:10:04,871 That's right. 157 00:10:04,871 --> 00:10:08,689 Right. And you're leaving a lane that a fire truck can drive through. 158 00:10:08,689 --> 00:10:10,438 That's right. 159 00:10:10,438 --> 00:10:15,922 And then finally, we do have the yard sale or the estate sale situation that we just 160 00:10:15,922 --> 00:10:19,644 did and came up with some different rules on that, right? 161 00:10:19,644 --> 00:10:23,757 So I guess you don't need to cover everything in this, but, uh, 162 00:10:23,757 --> 00:10:25,781 because this is just a warning. 163 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:30,876 But one thing that we didn't put on here and we're talking about is doing a QR code 164 00:10:30,876 --> 00:10:32,611 that can take you to the, um, 165 00:10:32,611 --> 00:10:36,979 that can take you to the muni code where you can look up any of the other 166 00:10:36,979 --> 00:10:40,211 information that you need. So, um, yeah, you're right. 167 00:10:40,211 --> 00:10:43,980 I mean, uh, we, you know, basically we ran out of space I mean, 168 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:47,211 we've got the font down as small as we can get it now. 169 00:10:47,211 --> 00:10:48,707 So, um, we don't want to, 170 00:10:48,707 --> 00:10:52,237 we don't want to put a booklet out there on the windshield, 171 00:10:52,237 --> 00:10:55,289 but I think we can put any other, any other things. 172 00:10:55,289 --> 00:10:58,400 You can go to the QR code, but you're, you're right. 173 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,409 Those things that you're talking about are in the, uh, in the code. 174 00:11:02,409 --> 00:11:06,239 And we are, we are, um, um, taking care of that if it's not, uh, 175 00:11:06,239 --> 00:11:07,914 if they're parked out there. 176 00:11:07,914 --> 00:11:13,474 Um, just from a record-keeping point of view, and this is way down in the weeds, 177 00:11:13,474 --> 00:11:18,409 but do you need to have the number on what you leave with them as well? 178 00:11:18,409 --> 00:11:20,702 And then you say you've got— you, 179 00:11:20,702 --> 00:11:25,776 you do think you have some way that you can make a record of the vehicle? 180 00:11:25,776 --> 00:11:29,880 The perforated line, this tears off and you keep, you keep the tab at the top. 181 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,682 You're keeping that? 182 00:11:30,682 --> 00:11:36,511 Yeah. And then we'll, we'll also put a, put a space up there to put the, uh, 183 00:11:36,511 --> 00:11:39,502 the Or a carbon copy. Or a carbon copy. 184 00:11:39,502 --> 00:11:41,036 So we're still in a— 185 00:11:41,036 --> 00:11:46,481 we're still on the drawing board exactly how this is going to come out. 186 00:11:46,481 --> 00:11:50,849 Yeah. Okay. I just wondered if at some point there would need to be matching up, 187 00:11:50,849 --> 00:11:54,617 you know, if somebody come in, I guess they wouldn't come in and say, 188 00:11:54,617 --> 00:11:57,183 I didn't get that ticket if they wouldn't know. 189 00:11:57,183 --> 00:11:57,569 Right. 190 00:11:57,569 --> 00:11:59,111 Okay. 191 00:11:59,208 --> 00:11:59,352 Okay. 192 00:11:59,658 --> 00:12:01,329 I think it's great. Anybody? 193 00:12:01,603 --> 00:12:03,843 So basically, this is sort of the idea of it. 194 00:12:03,843 --> 00:12:07,428 We've just got to work out the— we've got to work out some more details. 195 00:12:07,428 --> 00:12:15,356 If I may, if we have one in court, will it be on the traditional citation form? 196 00:12:15,356 --> 00:12:19,902 Yeah, it'll still be on the traditional citation. Yeah. This is just the warning. 197 00:12:19,902 --> 00:12:22,465 Yeah, I think that's good. 198 00:12:22,465 --> 00:12:29,365 Wait, some other question just popped I had a thought in my head about 199 00:12:29,365 --> 00:12:34,293 this. Now I don't remember what it was. Oh, shoot. 200 00:12:34,439 --> 00:12:34,537 Okay. 201 00:12:34,634 --> 00:12:37,307 Anyway, I think this is a good direction, 202 00:12:37,307 --> 00:12:40,372 and I think people will probably appreciate it. 203 00:12:40,372 --> 00:12:46,111 Okay. Now, I guess over the time I've been here, I've had, I don't know, 204 00:12:46,111 --> 00:12:50,655 maybe half a dozen people call me about getting a ticket. 205 00:12:50,655 --> 00:12:56,792 And their first thing is they said, I've lived here for 35 or 40 or 60 years. 206 00:12:56,792 --> 00:13:02,691 And this is, I didn't know that you couldn't park in those, in the traffic 207 00:13:02,691 --> 00:13:03,090 couldn't park in those, in the traffic lane. 208 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:07,474 And, um, so that's where I started thinking about this. 209 00:13:07,474 --> 00:13:11,539 So, so if they don't know, it's here, it is in the, 210 00:13:11,539 --> 00:13:16,242 in the code and we can give them, give them a copy of that. 211 00:13:16,242 --> 00:13:17,960 So. 212 00:13:18,709 --> 00:13:20,803 Um, and they probably don't. 213 00:13:20,803 --> 00:13:25,066 And, and, but they do need to know because, you know, my, 214 00:13:25,066 --> 00:13:31,049 my position has not changed on the fact that it's very dangerous to allow people 215 00:13:31,049 --> 00:13:31,199 that it's very dangerous to allow people to 216 00:13:31,199 --> 00:13:35,836 park in a traffic lane and not say something to them about it. 217 00:13:35,836 --> 00:13:42,119 My, my fear is that Meemaw is going to go to the garden And she's going to see other 218 00:13:42,119 --> 00:13:47,429 people parked close or near to the street, and she parks in the street. 219 00:13:47,429 --> 00:13:51,841 And while she's getting the casserole out of the back seat, 220 00:13:51,841 --> 00:13:58,049 she turns around and steps right into the lane of traffic of a Maserati doing 80 on 221 00:13:58,049 --> 00:14:01,863 our streets, because they do go fast on our street. 222 00:14:01,863 --> 00:14:06,201 And, um, and, and we can't stop that. We can't catch them. 223 00:14:06,201 --> 00:14:11,287 We don't know what happens. But there are speeders on these streets. 224 00:14:11,287 --> 00:14:11,415 Yes. 225 00:14:11,834 --> 00:14:15,342 And that can happen, and we don't want that to happen. 226 00:14:15,342 --> 00:14:18,070 And this is why I think this is important. 227 00:14:18,070 --> 00:14:22,552 I think it's an education piece, and this is the first piece of this. 228 00:14:22,552 --> 00:14:25,800 Let's see how this works, and we'll go from there. 229 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,094 Okay, that sounds good. Any other comments? No. 230 00:14:31,094 --> 00:14:36,500 Uh, sir, may I ask you, are you here for our Uh, 231 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:42,582 this Board of Commissioners workshop meeting, or— Yes, 232 00:14:42,582 --> 00:14:43,483 you are. 233 00:14:45,043 --> 00:14:47,914 I apologize to these gentlemen. 234 00:14:47,914 --> 00:14:54,676 These, these guys are from NES, and they have a presentation, and we had, 235 00:14:54,676 --> 00:15:00,419 uh, well, I had mismatched the, uh, the days they were coming, 236 00:15:00,419 --> 00:15:03,754 but I want to let them speak to you. 237 00:15:03,754 --> 00:15:08,200 And they're going to talk about street lighting. 238 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,739 Are you guys— do you have your— do you have your— 239 00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:19,268 okay, yeah, I think we should go 240 00:15:19,268 --> 00:15:25,454 ahead and do that. Don't keep you 241 00:15:25,454 --> 00:15:32,390 here. And let me appreciate you being 242 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:33,327 here. 243 00:15:33,327 --> 00:15:39,148 Yeah, look, it's been, it's been, it's been a few days since we met with them. 244 00:15:39,148 --> 00:15:41,238 But these guys are from NES. 245 00:15:41,238 --> 00:15:47,284 And what's going on with NES, and he's going to explain to you this a little bit, 246 00:15:47,284 --> 00:15:49,299 a little bit more in depth. 247 00:15:49,299 --> 00:15:54,299 They are converting all the streetlights in Davidson County to LED. 248 00:15:54,299 --> 00:16:00,270 And they are already working at Forest Hills and some other of the neighborhoods 249 00:16:00,270 --> 00:16:06,017 near us. And they're going to show how they can convert this to LED and start 250 00:16:06,017 --> 00:16:07,733 getting our rates down. 251 00:16:07,733 --> 00:16:13,480 But it is going to cost us a little bit of equipment cost during the process. 252 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,465 But if you'll recall, several years ago, 253 00:16:16,465 --> 00:16:22,138 the PATH people came and they wanted a couple of million dollars to do this. 254 00:16:22,138 --> 00:16:27,885 Well, I thought at the time, if we just wait, NES is going to do this anyway. 255 00:16:27,885 --> 00:16:32,885 So now they're doing it. So let me let him go through this process. 256 00:16:32,885 --> 00:16:38,109 He's going to talk about how this process came about and how it works. 257 00:16:38,109 --> 00:16:41,244 And I'm sorry, can you introduce yourself? 258 00:16:41,244 --> 00:16:43,894 Before we, before we get started, 259 00:16:43,894 --> 00:16:46,463 keep me in a frame of reference. 260 00:16:46,463 --> 00:16:50,959 We had somebody here And I think they're from Knoxville. 261 00:16:51,264 --> 00:16:53,592 That was the PATH people. That was the PATH people. 262 00:16:53,753 --> 00:16:54,106 Okay. 263 00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:55,069 I'm with you now. 264 00:16:55,133 --> 00:17:00,504 This is not that. This is, uh, this is the, uh, utility, uh, department, uh, 265 00:17:00,504 --> 00:17:02,342 National Electric Service. 266 00:17:02,936 --> 00:17:04,076 So what has happened is— 267 00:17:04,076 --> 00:17:05,328 Could you just state your name? 268 00:17:05,328 --> 00:17:09,274 Uh, yeah, I'm Josh Jones with Nashville Electric Streetlight Department. 269 00:17:09,274 --> 00:17:13,001 Um, what has happened is that we've partnered with PATH, with Metro, 270 00:17:13,001 --> 00:17:15,906 in order to change out all of Metro's lights To LEDs. 271 00:17:15,906 --> 00:17:19,359 And then in that, we're also including a smart photocell on it. 272 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,402 A what? 273 00:17:20,402 --> 00:17:22,286 It's called a smart photocell. 274 00:17:22,286 --> 00:17:25,616 It gives us data back from the actual light cellular, 275 00:17:25,616 --> 00:17:30,138 so we could tell when the lights are out and also what the wattages are. 276 00:17:30,138 --> 00:17:33,342 It gives us a bunch of information that we can use. 277 00:17:33,342 --> 00:17:36,482 They are in the process of wrapping up with Metro. 278 00:17:36,482 --> 00:17:38,304 And while they're still here, 279 00:17:38,304 --> 00:17:42,764 we would like to be able to use them to convert the rest of our lights, 280 00:17:42,764 --> 00:17:44,523 which are also other cities. 281 00:17:44,523 --> 00:17:48,291 Well, we've worked— we're working with City of Forest Hills. 282 00:17:48,291 --> 00:17:51,683 They're going to start around Labor Day and do theirs. 283 00:17:51,683 --> 00:17:56,206 And that's why we're coming here to, to y'all is to talk about Oak Hill, 284 00:17:56,206 --> 00:17:59,912 try and get y'all to go ahead and get them changed out too. 285 00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:02,990 Um, they are going to get changed out eventually. 286 00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:04,937 One of the biggest differences, 287 00:18:04,937 --> 00:18:09,962 if we have PATH come and kind of do it all at one time to where it's uniform and 288 00:18:09,962 --> 00:18:11,344 looks nice versus, uh, 289 00:18:11,344 --> 00:18:16,118 A maintenance call gets called and we come out and change 1 light out of 20, 290 00:18:16,118 --> 00:18:19,950 which is kind of what you've got now. I've got a slide there. 291 00:18:19,950 --> 00:18:22,399 You've got several lights that are HPS, 292 00:18:22,399 --> 00:18:25,854 and then you got just a handful that are LEDs mixed in. 293 00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:31,068 It's very noticeable when you drive down the road and you get all this orange light 294 00:18:31,068 --> 00:18:34,648 there, HPS, and then you've got a little bit wider light. 295 00:18:34,648 --> 00:18:34,809 Yeah. 296 00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:37,262 That's LED, that's right there in there. 297 00:18:37,262 --> 00:18:41,962 So we have noticed even with Metro that if we can come in and get them all changed 298 00:18:41,962 --> 00:18:46,318 out at once, it's uniform and it's not as noticeable because it just kind of 299 00:18:46,318 --> 00:18:46,776 happens. 300 00:18:46,776 --> 00:18:51,771 Now we're not going to add any lights, just change out existing lights. 301 00:18:51,771 --> 00:18:56,470 So in this process, it actually gives you the ability to add if you want to, 302 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:59,871 or take away, or change the wattage of the light there. 303 00:18:59,871 --> 00:19:03,766 They do a submittal process with kind of their recommendations. 304 00:19:03,766 --> 00:19:08,404 And we can give you that submittal book that says, hey, right in this area, 305 00:19:08,404 --> 00:19:12,423 you've got this one light that seems way too bright for the area. 306 00:19:12,423 --> 00:19:14,339 We would recommend reducing it. 307 00:19:14,339 --> 00:19:18,235 That's not NES recommending, it's Site Logic, who was PATH, uh, 308 00:19:18,235 --> 00:19:19,842 doing the recommendations. 309 00:19:19,842 --> 00:19:24,480 But you have the option of saying, yes, lower that wattage, the light down, 310 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,550 or increase, or Hey, we noticed that in this neighborhood or in this part of town, 311 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:32,270 it's really dark. We would like to add some. 312 00:19:32,270 --> 00:19:36,846 So with this process, you would have the ability to change your lights up. 313 00:19:36,846 --> 00:19:41,138 Because I remember in the PATH program presentation, 314 00:19:41,138 --> 00:19:47,494 they showed how we could not have such a wide glare and kept the light on the 315 00:19:47,494 --> 00:19:49,888 streets and not on the yards. 316 00:19:49,888 --> 00:19:53,518 Yes, sir. And we're using the, uh, their dark sky Cobraheads, 317 00:19:53,518 --> 00:19:56,790 because that's what y'all have is typically Cobraheads. 318 00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:59,706 They're really good about putting the light down. 319 00:19:59,706 --> 00:20:01,907 They don't— the light does not go up, 320 00:20:01,907 --> 00:20:05,477 and they have relatively good cutoff lines on where they go. 321 00:20:05,477 --> 00:20:08,631 I'm not gonna say there's not gonna be any bleedover. 322 00:20:08,631 --> 00:20:12,736 It's hard to do that, but it does kind of keep it in contained areas. 323 00:20:12,736 --> 00:20:14,845 Thank you. 324 00:20:14,845 --> 00:20:19,564 One of the advantages of having the SmartNode part on this too is if If we put 325 00:20:19,564 --> 00:20:19,866 SmartNode part on this too is if If we put it in 326 00:20:19,866 --> 00:20:22,286 and afterwards you decide it's too much, 327 00:20:22,286 --> 00:20:27,247 instead of asking us to roll a truck out to change the light out to a smaller one, 328 00:20:27,247 --> 00:20:31,059 you can actually do it from a computer and just lower the, the, 329 00:20:31,059 --> 00:20:32,813 the amount of wattage though. 330 00:20:32,813 --> 00:20:37,593 It's actually doing it with the voltage going into the driver and it'll dim the 331 00:20:37,593 --> 00:20:38,742 light down for you. 332 00:20:38,742 --> 00:20:39,704 Mm-hmm. 333 00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:44,377 And, uh, with this process we're working on, we don't quite have it all ironed out. 334 00:20:44,377 --> 00:20:45,841 We're in the middle of it, 335 00:20:45,841 --> 00:20:50,345 but you would have a login to your own lights to where you can The city would be 336 00:20:50,345 --> 00:20:54,625 able to control the lights is what we're kind of working to. Just Oak Hill's 337 00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:55,019 kind of working to. Just Oak Hill's lights. 338 00:20:55,019 --> 00:20:58,566 Yes. So NDOT couldn't touch y'all's, you couldn't touch NDOT's, 339 00:20:58,566 --> 00:21:02,113 but you could touch Oak Hill's lights and dim if you wanted to. 340 00:21:02,113 --> 00:21:06,192 What happens on Franklin Road, which is a federal highway? 341 00:21:06,192 --> 00:21:08,993 It's all about who's paying for the lights, 342 00:21:08,993 --> 00:21:13,489 because even though that's a federal highway, Oak Hill, I'm assuming, 343 00:21:13,489 --> 00:21:17,658 is paying for those lights. They have control over those lights. 344 00:21:17,658 --> 00:21:24,310 Okay. All right. Please go ahead. 345 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:28,971 Okay. So that's the slideshow that they're getting up. 346 00:21:28,971 --> 00:21:35,877 So the advantages is that LEDs are more efficient. than the high-purist sodiums. 347 00:21:35,877 --> 00:21:39,157 So the energy cost does actually drop. 348 00:21:39,157 --> 00:21:44,337 There is a portion of the bill that's called stranded costs, 349 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:49,343 which gets added on there from when we're changing it out. 350 00:21:49,343 --> 00:21:55,558 And that's a 60-month payback. So your bill would increase a little bit. 351 00:21:55,558 --> 00:22:00,220 I think it's like right around 4% for about 60 months. 352 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:05,658 And then it would actually drop below what you're paying today. 353 00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:13,093 As long as NES's kilowatt-hour charges aren't going up. 354 00:22:13,093 --> 00:22:18,736 That's an estimation as of today, if nothing changes as of today. 355 00:22:18,736 --> 00:22:19,076 Yeah. 356 00:22:19,076 --> 00:22:20,908 All right, so when you— well, 357 00:22:20,908 --> 00:22:26,025 that's an interesting point because it seems like that was one of the things that 358 00:22:26,025 --> 00:22:26,151 seems like that was one of the things that we 359 00:22:26,151 --> 00:22:30,005 spent some time with the PATH people on, was something about— 360 00:22:30,005 --> 00:22:34,364 I think there was a lot of paying in advance versus paying over time. 361 00:22:34,364 --> 00:22:38,407 And I think they were telling us that if we did it with you all, 362 00:22:38,407 --> 00:22:41,818 that we would be paying over time. What, what is that? 363 00:22:41,818 --> 00:22:43,966 And by you say 4% of our— of what? 364 00:22:43,966 --> 00:22:45,264 Of the lighting bill. 365 00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:47,459 4% of the lighting bill? 366 00:22:47,459 --> 00:22:47,763 Yes. 367 00:22:47,763 --> 00:22:51,052 Okay. Regardless of what the lighting bill is. 368 00:22:51,052 --> 00:22:52,696 I mean, in other words, 369 00:22:52,696 --> 00:22:57,057 is there a total dollar amount that we're trying to amortize? 370 00:22:57,057 --> 00:22:58,853 So it's kind of hard right now. 371 00:22:58,853 --> 00:23:03,718 Because, because every day there's lights that go out that are high-pressure sodium, 372 00:23:03,718 --> 00:23:07,367 and we're not able to— we have to replace those with LED today. 373 00:23:07,367 --> 00:23:10,842 So every month that this goes on, or every day this goes on, 374 00:23:10,842 --> 00:23:15,533 there's lights that are getting taken down that are high-pressure sodium and LEDs 375 00:23:15,533 --> 00:23:16,808 are put back up. Well, 376 00:23:16,808 --> 00:23:21,499 we're not going to go and change those LEDs back out unless y'all ask us to lower 377 00:23:21,499 --> 00:23:23,758 the wattage of them or change them out. 378 00:23:23,758 --> 00:23:23,854 Okay. 379 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,879 So, I mean, I took a rough estimate back several months ago and kind of did 380 00:23:29,879 --> 00:23:33,659 a changeout and figured out what the cost would be, 381 00:23:33,659 --> 00:23:35,661 and it was right around 4%. 382 00:23:35,661 --> 00:23:40,849 That will change just because we won't be changing out as many lights. 383 00:23:40,849 --> 00:23:45,241 But there's not a total amount that you're looking 384 00:23:45,241 --> 00:23:49,545 at to receive from Oak Hill over those 60 months? 385 00:23:50,749 --> 00:23:55,903 Uh, it would be whatever the stranded cost is of what we're taking down because NES 386 00:23:55,903 --> 00:23:59,504 is, uh, um, with streetlights, we are, we are charged, uh, 387 00:23:59,504 --> 00:24:04,286 not to make money off streetlights and not to lose money off of streetlights. 388 00:24:04,286 --> 00:24:08,570 So everything that we do is kind of just a pass along to the city of. 389 00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:11,429 So it would be possible to say, 390 00:24:11,429 --> 00:24:15,303 X is going to be the cost of changing out. 391 00:24:15,303 --> 00:24:20,560 And if we had— we've got— fortunately we've got reserves. 392 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:26,371 We could take the option of just saying, NES, here's the check, 393 00:24:26,371 --> 00:24:28,308 go replace them. Yes. 394 00:24:28,678 --> 00:24:33,167 And the way that would work is that you would just pay that stranded cost off, 395 00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:35,296 which we've had other cities do that. 396 00:24:35,296 --> 00:24:36,447 And then that would— 397 00:24:36,447 --> 00:24:40,705 then your bill would actually reduce down because your lower energy costs. 398 00:24:42,667 --> 00:24:44,688 Okay, I don't want to belabor this, but what— 399 00:24:44,688 --> 00:24:48,525 To give you an idea, um, our street lighting, uh, 400 00:24:48,525 --> 00:24:52,205 for the end of the fiscal year '26 was $87,000. 401 00:24:52,205 --> 00:24:57,922 Uh, the year before that was $86,000. Year before that, '24, was $84,000. 402 00:24:57,922 --> 00:25:02,072 So we're— we just had— we just paid our bill in July, 403 00:25:02,072 --> 00:25:05,204 and that was $7,500 for street lighting. 404 00:25:05,204 --> 00:25:11,391 So that'll give you some perspective when he talks about, you know, when we go, 405 00:25:11,391 --> 00:25:14,288 when we go forward to full, full LED. 406 00:25:14,288 --> 00:25:19,375 Okay. And so you're saying it'd be 4% of that? 407 00:25:19,375 --> 00:25:20,164 Yes, sir. 408 00:25:20,164 --> 00:25:21,468 For 60 months? 409 00:25:21,468 --> 00:25:22,176 Yes, sir. 410 00:25:22,176 --> 00:25:26,065 And then after that 5-year period, then it's— we don't pay that anymore? 411 00:25:26,065 --> 00:25:30,497 You don't pay the stranded costs off, which would make that go— the bill go 412 00:25:30,497 --> 00:25:30,792 which would make that go— the bill go down. 413 00:25:30,792 --> 00:25:34,532 Is the strand— I'm I just want to understand what the stranded cost is. 414 00:25:34,532 --> 00:25:38,694 Is that the cost of what you've already installed and it's out there and it has 415 00:25:38,694 --> 00:25:38,852 installed and it's out there and it has not 416 00:25:38,852 --> 00:25:39,906 been fully paid for? 417 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:44,415 Correct. The way the rate is done is when we put up a new light, 418 00:25:44,415 --> 00:25:49,558 it's broken down off of 18 years. So it's built into that $7,400, $7,500. 419 00:25:49,558 --> 00:25:54,983 I apologize. And that part of that's getting paid off every month you do that 420 00:25:54,983 --> 00:25:55,406 getting paid off every month you do that for 18 421 00:25:55,406 --> 00:25:59,986 years. Well, when we take it down, it's not on that bill anymore. 422 00:25:59,986 --> 00:26:05,129 And that's what the stranded cost is and would go on there for 60 months. 423 00:26:05,129 --> 00:26:06,919 Okay. 424 00:26:06,919 --> 00:26:10,926 The question is whether we could make 4% or string it out 4%, 425 00:26:10,926 --> 00:26:12,766 whether we'd rather make it— 426 00:26:12,766 --> 00:26:15,919 It seems like that's the loan that we just made. 427 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:18,364 Yeah. 428 00:26:18,364 --> 00:26:18,916 Yes, sir. 429 00:26:18,916 --> 00:26:22,909 Okay. 430 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:27,049 Okay. 431 00:26:28,157 --> 00:26:33,664 All right. So let's, let's let him go on. 432 00:26:33,664 --> 00:26:37,523 Well, I mean, I've kind of covered everything that's on the slideshow with 433 00:26:37,523 --> 00:26:37,732 everything that's on the slideshow with what 434 00:26:37,732 --> 00:26:40,600 y'all have asked. I mean, I have no problem showing it. 435 00:26:40,665 --> 00:26:41,339 Oh, really? 436 00:26:41,403 --> 00:26:42,640 And going over it. 437 00:26:42,913 --> 00:26:49,479 Um, but I mean, if you'll go to that 3rd slide or 4th now. 438 00:26:52,479 --> 00:26:52,801 You're bad. 439 00:26:54,752 --> 00:26:55,848 This one right here. Is it not open? 440 00:26:56,106 --> 00:26:57,057 No, it's not showing on that. 441 00:26:58,220 --> 00:26:58,396 Okay. 442 00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:01,867 Without messing with your monitor displays and all that. 443 00:27:01,867 --> 00:27:07,082 Okay. Uh, and I can, I think I've shared this presentation with you. 444 00:27:07,082 --> 00:27:12,756 If there's more questions, I mean, it, it kind of shows what you have now. 445 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:18,431 Um, and like I said, there's a lot of HPS out there. I think there was 64. 446 00:27:18,431 --> 00:27:21,652 4 LEDs on y'all's bill as of 3 months ago, 447 00:27:21,652 --> 00:27:25,179 and there's been some that have added to that. 448 00:27:25,179 --> 00:27:29,804 There you go. There's the slide. Okay. 449 00:27:32,804 --> 00:27:36,625 As of 3 months ago, you had 441 HPSs and 64 LEDs. 450 00:27:36,625 --> 00:27:42,161 So you're starting to see them now already. It's gonna be the new norm. 451 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:45,124 It's our new standard to have LEDs in, 452 00:27:45,124 --> 00:27:51,362 and we are also going forward with the smart photocell in them because now your— 453 00:27:51,362 --> 00:27:55,495 our customers don't have to call in when they're out. 454 00:27:55,495 --> 00:28:00,875 We actually get notification when they're out. That's part of it too. 455 00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:04,344 Will you be able to tell that on those 64 that are already replaced? 456 00:28:04,344 --> 00:28:07,733 Not right now, because whenever we're doing this, we have We have yet to— 457 00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:11,122 we are starting to make it our standard. It hasn't been our standard yet. 458 00:28:11,122 --> 00:28:14,836 And part of the reason we haven't made it a standard yet is because we wanted to 459 00:28:14,836 --> 00:28:18,597 have these conversations with the cities before we just push something out there. 460 00:28:18,597 --> 00:28:25,375 So you need to replace those, I guess you need new LEDs that have— 461 00:28:25,375 --> 00:28:28,348 No, sir. Uh, the LED fixtures themselves are fine. 462 00:28:28,348 --> 00:28:31,320 This is a photocell that plugs into the top of it. 463 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:31,560 Yeah. 464 00:28:31,801 --> 00:28:35,984 Oh, so they would just go to those LED photos and take the We call them dumb 465 00:28:35,984 --> 00:28:40,168 photocells. Pull those, twist them off, pull them off, and put a new one in. 466 00:28:40,168 --> 00:28:41,819 And that's all there is to it. 467 00:28:41,819 --> 00:28:44,287 And that's the ones where you can regulate it remotely? 468 00:28:44,287 --> 00:28:44,768 Yes. 469 00:28:44,768 --> 00:28:47,189 Okay, I got it now. 470 00:28:47,189 --> 00:28:51,052 And you can retrofit that on the existing LEDs that have already been installed? 471 00:28:51,052 --> 00:28:51,533 Yes, sir. 472 00:28:51,533 --> 00:28:52,110 Okay. 473 00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:55,507 It works with the— and I don't know if everybody knows or not, 474 00:28:55,507 --> 00:28:58,301 but there's a what they call a 7-pin socket on top, 475 00:28:58,301 --> 00:29:01,807 and it just goes on and twists in. It's almost It's like a plug. 476 00:29:01,807 --> 00:29:03,944 It's a standard that streetlights have. 477 00:29:03,944 --> 00:29:08,882 Okay. If I could ask you a question about, uh, you said that it, it, 478 00:29:08,882 --> 00:29:10,843 those photocells, um, they, 479 00:29:10,843 --> 00:29:16,434 they obtain a whole lot of information or provide a whole lot of information. 480 00:29:16,434 --> 00:29:21,663 Like that makes me think of license plate readers. I mean, what kind of— 481 00:29:21,663 --> 00:29:23,094 There's zero readers. 482 00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:27,730 This is nothing but internal sensors for like voltage, voltage drop. 483 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:30,797 What power usage. It's all with the fixtures. 484 00:29:30,797 --> 00:29:33,864 There's zero sensors on the outside of there. 485 00:29:33,864 --> 00:29:39,181 It won't give me anything on traffic or anything like that. It's not a camera. 486 00:29:39,181 --> 00:29:44,226 This is all for the readings of the electricity going through it is all it 487 00:29:44,226 --> 00:29:44,635 electricity going through it is all it really 488 00:29:44,635 --> 00:29:44,839 is. 489 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:49,041 Where are they made? Are they made in China, perhaps? 490 00:29:49,041 --> 00:29:55,029 So we right now, we've got 2 manufacturers that we are currently accepting. 491 00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:58,942 One of them that is our majority using is Ubiqui, 492 00:29:58,942 --> 00:30:04,531 and they're actually a Canadian product. And the other one is Signify. 493 00:30:04,531 --> 00:30:09,322 Peachtree is where they get sold out of. Peachtree, Georgia. 494 00:30:09,322 --> 00:30:10,860 Okay. 495 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:12,542 That's where the sales facility is. 496 00:30:12,542 --> 00:30:15,185 I'm not sure exactly where they're getting made out of. 497 00:30:15,234 --> 00:30:19,843 I apologize, but I know Ubiqui, which is the big one that we use, 498 00:30:19,843 --> 00:30:25,373 is And did you tell me that once, once you got them all in and we decide, hey, 499 00:30:25,373 --> 00:30:30,904 there's a couple of streets that have got some dark areas, we can, we can add, 500 00:30:30,904 --> 00:30:35,158 add lighting? Or if we got streets that are lit up too much, 501 00:30:35,158 --> 00:30:40,830 we can either take down the lighting or we can remove it or either turn it down? 502 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:41,425 Yes, sir. 503 00:30:41,505 --> 00:30:46,524 At any time, if y'all want to make changes, even after this, Um, there's a, 504 00:30:46,524 --> 00:30:48,867 an email, neslighting@nespower.com, 505 00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:52,280 and you just give us a letter saying what you want, 506 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,901 whether you want a new light on a new pole or take down a light or even dim until we 507 00:30:57,901 --> 00:31:00,243 get— are able to hand over the, um, 508 00:31:00,243 --> 00:31:03,590 the software to where you could do it on your own. 509 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:07,136 And then we could dim, we can take down, remove, add, 510 00:31:07,136 --> 00:31:11,018 whatever you wanted to do there. Shield is another option. 511 00:31:12,582 --> 00:31:12,919 Shield? 512 00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:14,124 Shield, yes. 513 00:31:14,124 --> 00:31:15,056 Tell me about that. 514 00:31:15,056 --> 00:31:19,833 Okay, so there's shields that actually clamp onto these or bolt into the 515 00:31:19,833 --> 00:31:20,430 clamp onto these or bolt into the fixtures. 516 00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:25,340 Like I said, these are already dark sky, so there's no uplighting to them. 517 00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:29,320 But we've had some cases to where there's some light issues, 518 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,979 and you can actually get— 519 00:31:30,979 --> 00:31:36,021 it looks like a little baffle on the inside of that light that kind of keeps 520 00:31:36,021 --> 00:31:36,221 inside of that light that kind of keeps the 521 00:31:36,221 --> 00:31:41,727 light from throwing out as far, depending on how you want it. So there are options. 522 00:31:41,727 --> 00:31:46,571 So I would recommend that if you do have a customer complaining about the 523 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,229 streetlight, get with us. 524 00:31:48,229 --> 00:31:49,954 We can see what we can do, 525 00:31:49,954 --> 00:31:53,935 whether it's dimming or shielding or whatever we need to do. 526 00:31:53,935 --> 00:31:58,145 Thank you, sir. And how long would it take for you to do the conversion? 527 00:31:58,145 --> 00:32:03,876 You have And I just said it. You have right at 500 lights. 528 00:32:03,876 --> 00:32:10,891 Um, I would be surprised if it took more than 3 weeks to change out all 529 00:32:10,891 --> 00:32:12,176 these lights. 530 00:32:12,176 --> 00:32:12,338 Wow. 531 00:32:12,516 --> 00:32:12,726 Okay. 532 00:32:14,101 --> 00:32:17,775 Uh, I know some residents have streetlights in their yard that they pay 533 00:32:17,775 --> 00:32:17,931 streetlights in their yard that they pay for 534 00:32:17,931 --> 00:32:18,448 privately. 535 00:32:18,448 --> 00:32:18,787 Yes. 536 00:32:18,787 --> 00:32:24,513 How would those be adjusted, or they would have to contact NES? 537 00:32:24,513 --> 00:32:29,341 They would contact us. Those are in our rental light or private light program. 538 00:32:29,341 --> 00:32:34,293 Um, the same group of people who actually do that, they would contact one of us, 539 00:32:34,293 --> 00:32:39,307 but it is a totally separate program and they would have to request it to be LED. 540 00:32:39,307 --> 00:32:42,246 Would it change the amount they have to pay over time? 541 00:32:42,246 --> 00:32:46,523 There is a, uh, a little bit of a cost upfront for us to do our side of, 542 00:32:46,523 --> 00:32:48,543 of changing it out and everything. 543 00:32:48,543 --> 00:32:51,275 And then depending on what fixture they go to, 544 00:32:51,275 --> 00:32:54,126 that's where they would change the cost monthly. 545 00:32:54,126 --> 00:32:57,750 If you have any residents who again want information on this, 546 00:32:57,750 --> 00:33:01,373 they can reach out to neslighting@nespower.com or to customer 547 00:33:01,373 --> 00:33:01,848 neslighting@nespower.com or to customer service, 548 00:33:01,848 --> 00:33:06,066 and they can write an order, and one of us would actually contact them. 549 00:33:06,066 --> 00:33:11,161 This may be more directed to the city officials, but if somebody wants— 550 00:33:11,161 --> 00:33:15,179 I can see a problem with somebody wants to put a street, 551 00:33:15,179 --> 00:33:21,135 a private streetlight on their yard, which will be, you know, reflecting on others. 552 00:33:21,135 --> 00:33:23,000 Do they have to go to get— 553 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,095 do we have any regulation about whether people can do that in Oak Hill? 554 00:33:28,095 --> 00:33:33,047 I don't think we have a— we just have dark sky. 555 00:33:33,047 --> 00:33:33,948 We have the dark sky. 556 00:33:33,948 --> 00:33:38,524 We have dark sky. They're not allowed to just let their light bleed over into other 557 00:33:38,524 --> 00:33:39,130 properties. 558 00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:43,705 But NES wouldn't know that necessarily if somebody requested a light. 559 00:33:43,705 --> 00:33:46,075 Well, if they did and we got a call on it, 560 00:33:46,075 --> 00:33:48,897 they'd have to call NES to come out and adjust it. 561 00:33:48,897 --> 00:33:53,097 Yeah, yeah, but we— I thought we covered all the way, 562 00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:56,109 the height of the pole and the— right, 563 00:33:56,109 --> 00:33:59,596 and the foot candles that go here and there. 564 00:33:59,596 --> 00:34:01,968 And I don't think— I don't think we— 565 00:34:01,968 --> 00:34:07,239 I don't even think we had that discussion about NES-purchased security lighting. 566 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,006 I don't think we ever had that discussion. 567 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:15,014 That's probably the next You know, and they probably need a permit for that. 568 00:34:15,014 --> 00:34:20,970 Yeah, yeah, we need to have a permit on that. Somebody's got to get one. 569 00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:26,173 That kind of escaped us because we were looking for the forest instead of the 570 00:34:26,173 --> 00:34:26,578 looking for the forest instead of the trees. 571 00:34:26,578 --> 00:34:31,060 Yeah, we were just looking for different trees. 572 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:31,563 Yeah. 573 00:34:31,563 --> 00:34:33,105 Looking for the sport courts. 574 00:34:33,105 --> 00:34:37,611 Okay, the one thing I do want to caution is Um, like I said, 575 00:34:37,611 --> 00:34:42,718 they're going to start with Forest Hills, uh, the week of Labor Day. 576 00:34:42,718 --> 00:34:45,196 Um, once they are done with that, 577 00:34:45,196 --> 00:34:50,078 we don't currently have another city for them to go, uh, work on. 578 00:34:50,078 --> 00:34:53,532 So the contractors will, will go away and, uh, 579 00:34:53,532 --> 00:34:56,762 trying to get them back would be difficult. 580 00:34:56,762 --> 00:35:02,695 It's kind of, this is kind of what we're leading up to is trying to get them in 581 00:35:02,695 --> 00:35:02,995 leading up to is trying to get them in line 582 00:35:02,995 --> 00:35:05,098 that way after Forest Hills. 583 00:35:05,098 --> 00:35:05,195 Okay. 584 00:35:05,446 --> 00:35:07,752 Hills gets done, if City Oak Hills says yes, do it, 585 00:35:07,752 --> 00:35:10,059 we can get them right in line with the contractors. 586 00:35:10,059 --> 00:35:12,591 That way we can keep them busy before they just disband. 587 00:35:12,591 --> 00:35:16,381 We got a meeting next Tuesday, don't we? 588 00:35:16,622 --> 00:35:20,058 And we'll have numbers that we can look at and agreement and all that. 589 00:35:20,058 --> 00:35:21,840 Yeah, we can get some numbers from you guys. 590 00:35:22,097 --> 00:35:25,340 Just email me with what numbers you want and I can, I can run it. 591 00:35:25,340 --> 00:35:27,861 Okay, thank you. 592 00:35:28,263 --> 00:35:28,503 Thank you. 593 00:35:28,584 --> 00:35:28,905 No problem. 594 00:35:28,985 --> 00:35:30,398 I apologize for the mix-up. 595 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,571 That's no problem. 596 00:35:31,571 --> 00:35:34,995 It was my— it was my fault. It's on me. 597 00:35:35,253 --> 00:35:35,526 Sorry. 598 00:35:35,526 --> 00:35:36,234 No problem. 599 00:35:36,363 --> 00:35:37,699 Thank you very much for coming. 600 00:35:37,699 --> 00:35:38,295 Thank you. 601 00:35:38,295 --> 00:35:39,276 Appreciate you coming. 602 00:35:39,341 --> 00:35:39,647 Thank you. 603 00:35:39,647 --> 00:35:39,920 Thank you. 604 00:35:39,985 --> 00:35:40,258 Good deal. 605 00:35:41,353 --> 00:35:41,594 Okay. 606 00:35:43,267 --> 00:35:50,749 Thank you. 607 00:35:53,749 --> 00:35:59,020 Meeting coordinator does not— does not meet expectations. 608 00:35:59,020 --> 00:36:05,122 Actually, I thought they were coming next week. Okay, that's okay. 609 00:36:05,122 --> 00:36:08,543 But now this is probably— we're glad, 610 00:36:08,543 --> 00:36:15,201 I'm glad that we waited because I thought that NES was going to do this. 611 00:36:15,201 --> 00:36:20,564 So because they're doing it other places, so this is good. 612 00:36:20,564 --> 00:36:22,535 Okay. All right. All right. 613 00:36:22,663 --> 00:36:25,041 So we'll be on the agenda for Next Tuesday. 614 00:36:25,041 --> 00:36:32,128 Okay. All right. So that leaves us now going back to lessons learned 615 00:36:32,128 --> 00:36:34,525 from Winter Storm Fern. 616 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:41,195 That could be a— what do they call it in songs where there's the 617 00:36:41,195 --> 00:36:46,614 refrain or something that comes after the main line? 618 00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:53,919 Lessons learned from Winter Storm It's got a good ring to it, doesn't it? 619 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,899 Yeah, a little rhyme. 620 00:36:56,328 --> 00:36:57,757 Pretty catchy. 621 00:36:58,576 --> 00:37:02,534 So you want to say anything about Fern before I go in? 622 00:37:02,534 --> 00:37:04,806 You want to say anything about— 623 00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:09,618 Yeah, yes. I see this as something that we really need to do. 624 00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:13,799 I think that what we experienced in Oklahoma Hill is— 625 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:17,664 probably was experienced by other cities as well. 626 00:37:17,664 --> 00:37:22,398 But, you know, to me there's one part and that is, you know, 627 00:37:22,398 --> 00:37:28,077 the actual physical work that was going on and the coordination of that, 628 00:37:28,077 --> 00:37:34,073 all of which I think once NES got here, once they had enough people working, 629 00:37:34,073 --> 00:37:39,358 you know, I think that went really well. But that's really on them. 630 00:37:39,358 --> 00:37:42,908 There's There's nothing we can do about that. 631 00:37:42,908 --> 00:37:48,824 And they have— they did, as I think I've reported before, we had a meeting, 632 00:37:48,824 --> 00:37:55,451 Steve and I had a meeting with the CEO and in-house counsel and so forth a few weeks 633 00:37:55,451 --> 00:38:01,367 ago, where they told us that they have really upped their game on all these 634 00:38:01,367 --> 00:38:04,286 different areas, and it sounded good. 635 00:38:04,286 --> 00:38:09,571 So, but, you know, what we could do, you know, Steve was On top of, 636 00:38:09,571 --> 00:38:15,961 and that was basically finding out where the difficult areas were and keeping NES 637 00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:21,089 informed of that, their scouts or whatever they were sending out. 638 00:38:21,089 --> 00:38:25,585 The other part of it is communicating with the residents. 639 00:38:25,585 --> 00:38:31,975 And that was— that really came home to me as an issue that needs to be addressed. 640 00:38:31,975 --> 00:38:32,940 Yes. Yes. 641 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:38,323 Because, you know, we were absolutely hamstrung as far as trying to do much 642 00:38:38,323 --> 00:38:43,061 communicating. You know, I think I've described to you all before, 643 00:38:43,061 --> 00:38:45,286 but during that time, you know, 644 00:38:45,286 --> 00:38:50,884 I'm stuck up on a hill with a car that won't go down without sliding down into 645 00:38:50,884 --> 00:38:51,100 won't go down without sliding down into the 646 00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,540 street and with No power, no heat, 647 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:57,847 and only my cell phone to use as any kind of communications. 648 00:38:57,847 --> 00:39:03,302 And I can't send out mass emails from that, or at least I don't know how to. 649 00:39:03,302 --> 00:39:07,896 Somebody can probably tell me. But I didn't know how to do that. 650 00:39:07,896 --> 00:39:10,910 And also, it was just a question of power. 651 00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:14,499 I used up an an entire tank of gasoline in my car, 652 00:39:14,499 --> 00:39:20,026 sitting out there running the car and slow charging my phone. So we had that. 653 00:39:20,026 --> 00:39:25,266 In addition, the city's offices were closed because it had no heat and no 654 00:39:25,266 --> 00:39:25,697 closed because it had no heat and no power. 655 00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:29,788 And the city— Desiree and Steve were using their laptops, 656 00:39:29,788 --> 00:39:35,243 working from home or working from the car or wherever you all were trying to 657 00:39:35,243 --> 00:39:40,411 communicate. And, you know, finally— and then I started seeing messages. 658 00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:45,866 I could see Facebook or Nextdoor, I can't remember what it was, on my phone. 659 00:39:45,866 --> 00:39:51,106 And I could see that the residents, some residents, not a lot, but a few, 660 00:39:51,106 --> 00:39:55,054 were starting to raise all these questions about, well, 661 00:39:55,054 --> 00:39:57,638 why aren't we hearing from Oak Hill? 662 00:39:57,638 --> 00:40:01,801 Why didn't we— why aren't they telling us what's going on? 663 00:40:01,801 --> 00:40:04,097 Why aren't they telling us this? 664 00:40:04,097 --> 00:40:09,337 And of course, most Most of the answer to that is because we didn't know, 665 00:40:09,337 --> 00:40:13,500 because NES was not telling anything either at that point. 666 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,510 And they held all the cards. 667 00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:21,109 But, you know, apparently Forest Hills was able to get out messages widespread 668 00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:24,123 across their city, and as was Belle Meade, 669 00:40:24,123 --> 00:40:27,210 or at least that's what people were saying. 670 00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:32,450 They were comparing my lack of communication to the mayors of those other 671 00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:33,096 communication to the mayors of those other 2 cities. 672 00:40:33,096 --> 00:40:38,048 And I think that's a good point. And how they did that, I don't know. 673 00:40:38,048 --> 00:40:41,206 I think it's something we ought to find out. 674 00:40:41,206 --> 00:40:44,939 How did they manage to communicate during that time? 675 00:40:44,939 --> 00:40:48,169 I assume— well, I don't know, I can't assume. 676 00:40:48,169 --> 00:40:51,830 I don't know whether Belle Meade City Hall was out. 677 00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:55,562 I don't know whether Forest Hills City Hall was out. 678 00:40:55,562 --> 00:41:03,229 Well, we don't know. And that's part of the, I think, our lessons learned. 679 00:41:03,229 --> 00:41:10,066 And if you want, Let me just go through what I want to talk about, 680 00:41:10,066 --> 00:41:14,936 but I'm not here to cast aspersions on anybody, 681 00:41:14,936 --> 00:41:17,837 especially myself or others. 682 00:41:17,837 --> 00:41:21,152 But I do want to point out some, 683 00:41:21,152 --> 00:41:25,814 some hard truths that we need to think about. 684 00:41:25,814 --> 00:41:30,093 Well, you may— let me just finish. I can put a hard truth on this. 685 00:41:30,093 --> 00:41:34,632 The hard truth to me was that And I don't know why I didn't know this. 686 00:41:34,632 --> 00:41:38,587 People do expect to hear from city leadership, right, in the— 687 00:41:38,587 --> 00:41:43,644 in case of an emergency and on a regular basis. And that was— that's my fault. 688 00:41:43,644 --> 00:41:47,859 But except— except I don't know, have smoke signals or something. 689 00:41:47,859 --> 00:41:49,674 But we were— a lot of fires. 690 00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:50,798 Could I ask a question? 691 00:41:50,798 --> 00:41:51,424 Yes. 692 00:41:51,424 --> 00:41:55,615 Is there a mayor's meeting of all the satellite cities? 693 00:41:57,976 --> 00:41:59,615 No, there's not. 694 00:41:59,615 --> 00:42:04,239 But don't you think that might be a good idea where you can discuss things like 695 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:04,532 this? 696 00:42:04,532 --> 00:42:08,518 Could be, sure, could be. I mean, there are mayor's meetings. 697 00:42:08,518 --> 00:42:13,875 There's a new, a new group that is formed of mayors, all mayors, and I don't know, 698 00:42:13,875 --> 00:42:18,318 county executives too, in that Middle Tennessee Mayors organization. 699 00:42:18,318 --> 00:42:20,670 Middle Tennessee Mayors, that's new, 700 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:25,113 and I'm not sure I'm not sure exactly what the genesis for that was. 701 00:42:25,113 --> 00:42:28,772 And then there's another group that meets with the GNRC. 702 00:42:28,772 --> 00:42:29,805 GNRC. 703 00:42:29,805 --> 00:42:35,521 Yeah, GNRC. And that's statewide. But anyway, yeah, that's a great idea. 704 00:42:35,521 --> 00:42:41,316 The problem with some of these organizations is that what really concerns 705 00:42:41,316 --> 00:42:44,095 them are things that we don't have. 706 00:42:44,095 --> 00:42:47,429 Police departments, large employee staffs. 707 00:42:48,484 --> 00:42:48,533 Right. 708 00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:53,443 And road crews and stuff like that. And we are more narrowly focused in what we do. 709 00:42:53,443 --> 00:42:55,987 But communicating with citizens, important. 710 00:42:55,987 --> 00:43:00,011 And we've got to come up with— make sure we've got a way to do that. 711 00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:03,087 So yeah, we need to inquire from those other cities. 712 00:43:03,087 --> 00:43:08,457 So what I've given you is really just thought-provoking questions. 713 00:43:08,457 --> 00:43:10,653 That is basically homework, 714 00:43:10,653 --> 00:43:16,186 because I don't think we can really start doing a deep dive on this. 715 00:43:16,186 --> 00:43:22,369 And I know Joy and Scott are going to feel like they're going to miss out on 716 00:43:22,369 --> 00:43:25,949 something by not being at the next workshop. 717 00:43:25,949 --> 00:43:32,783 But we do need to get the new people in to have this discussion and bring them in on 718 00:43:32,783 --> 00:43:36,933 the ground floor. And certainly, if you guys would— 719 00:43:36,933 --> 00:43:42,953 if you have any ideas that you want to Send to us by going over this list, 720 00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:46,370 I certainly would like for you to do that. 721 00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:52,310 But I don't— I'm not looking for answers to these questions specifically. 722 00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:58,005 I'm looking at how to convert these questions into actionable results. 723 00:43:58,005 --> 00:44:02,968 What— how are we going to meet these challenges that we have? 724 00:44:02,968 --> 00:44:05,165 And as the mayor mentioned, 725 00:44:05,165 --> 00:44:11,348 and I'm going to go right down to number Number 3 on my list is staffing and 726 00:44:11,348 --> 00:44:17,531 communications, and mostly communication. That's where we suffered the most. 727 00:44:17,531 --> 00:44:23,633 We didn't have good communications even with each other or with the service 728 00:44:23,633 --> 00:44:29,491 providers. We didn't have good contacts with those people that we're now 729 00:44:29,491 --> 00:44:30,386 with those people that we're now developing, 730 00:44:30,386 --> 00:44:34,454 as the mayor alluded to. And we didn't have power. 731 00:44:34,454 --> 00:44:41,288 Once you run out of cell service and your cell goes out and you don't have a charger 732 00:44:41,288 --> 00:44:45,926 that you can charge it up, you're left dead in the water. 733 00:44:45,926 --> 00:44:50,319 And that happened to, I think, everybody in this room, 734 00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:55,933 except maybe people that were— that went out to Florida or someplace. 735 00:44:57,269 --> 00:44:57,593 place. 736 00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:04,026 But the things that we need to be thinking about is how we're going to do this 737 00:45:04,026 --> 00:45:07,600 differently the next storm that comes along. 738 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,474 And it may be a flood before we get to the ice storm season. 739 00:45:12,474 --> 00:45:17,998 And so our biggest challenge is to recognize that we've got a lot of 740 00:45:17,998 --> 00:45:19,217 recognize that we've got a lot of preparedness to 741 00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:25,715 do to think about how we're going to have some communication devices that we can 742 00:45:25,715 --> 00:45:30,833 assign to certain people like me, like Desiree, like the mayor, 743 00:45:30,833 --> 00:45:36,194 and maybe one other commissioner that's on the other side of town, 744 00:45:36,194 --> 00:45:42,611 that when we see a storm coming and we start seeing these OEM alerts that we've 745 00:45:42,611 --> 00:45:42,855 start seeing these OEM alerts that we've got 746 00:45:42,855 --> 00:45:46,429 weather alerts coming, that We assign these— 747 00:45:46,429 --> 00:45:53,090 this equipment to people and that they're ready to start, you know, communicating. 748 00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:55,284 And with a satellite phone, 749 00:45:55,284 --> 00:46:01,701 you can tie your laptop into it and it can connect to Starlink and you can have 750 00:46:01,701 --> 00:46:07,306 Wi-Fi through a satellite phone. Now, we've got to work through that. 751 00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:11,855 I'm just throwing this out for discussion for right now. 752 00:46:11,855 --> 00:46:12,581 Okay. 753 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:20,110 Just information about things that need to be discussed and looked at. 754 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:25,965 You know, there's ways that we can have portable solar fields, 755 00:46:25,965 --> 00:46:33,143 solar devices that can bring in power to power your cell phone or power your 756 00:46:33,143 --> 00:46:35,881 satellite phones or whatever. 757 00:46:35,881 --> 00:46:42,586 But that's— I think that's one of our biggest keys is our communication 758 00:46:42,586 --> 00:46:49,574 because all we really— all that people wanted from us is what's happening, 759 00:46:49,574 --> 00:46:53,068 when is NES going to be on my street, 760 00:46:53,068 --> 00:46:57,601 and is the road clear enough that I can get out? 761 00:46:57,601 --> 00:47:03,173 And we couldn't even tell them that. You know, we couldn't— 762 00:47:03,173 --> 00:47:03,350 Right. 763 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,957 We couldn't send anything out. 764 00:47:05,957 --> 00:47:10,199 They didn't have Wi-Fi service or even electricity at home. 765 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:15,807 If they were working off their phone, we may not have had their email address. 766 00:47:15,807 --> 00:47:21,703 That's why we have kind of made this push that when anybody comes in here and does 767 00:47:21,703 --> 00:47:27,239 a— does an account, that we tell them we need your email address or your cell 768 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:27,671 need your email address or your cell number 769 00:47:27,671 --> 00:47:32,560 so we can send you messages. And we send that out in the newsletter. 770 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:38,240 Please sign up and give us your permission to use your email address because we 771 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:42,770 can't communicate with but only half of the people in Oak Hill. 772 00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:46,796 We've got— what do we got, 1,000 email addresses? About? 773 00:47:46,796 --> 00:47:50,974 Probably about 1,300. 774 00:47:50,974 --> 00:47:52,276 How many? 775 00:47:52,276 --> 00:47:52,790 1,300. 776 00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:55,864 About 1,300? We need about 7,000, you know, 777 00:47:55,864 --> 00:48:00,583 we need households of about 2,000 email addresses or cell numbers. 778 00:48:00,583 --> 00:48:05,159 But we're working on that. We're trying to be prepared for that. 779 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:10,808 So that's a big challenge, is we can communicate to those people we have emails 780 00:48:10,808 --> 00:48:11,094 communicate to those people we have emails for, 781 00:48:11,094 --> 00:48:13,239 but the rest of them we don't. 782 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,455 So we're hoping that, you know, 783 00:48:15,455 --> 00:48:21,247 people are checking with their neighbors to see if they're communicating with us. 784 00:48:21,247 --> 00:48:27,038 The greatest thing that we need to think about is of all these things we're going 785 00:48:27,038 --> 00:48:27,181 about is of all these things we're going to 786 00:48:27,181 --> 00:48:33,044 be talking about is what is the one thing that we could change that would have the 787 00:48:33,044 --> 00:48:37,120 greatest impact on our response to the next winter storm? 788 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,766 The thing that's going to have the greatest impact. 789 00:48:40,766 --> 00:48:46,486 And I would say better communications within our group Within our commissioners, 790 00:48:46,486 --> 00:48:48,417 within our staff. You know, 791 00:48:48,417 --> 00:48:53,922 we can get a bank of 2-way radios and pass them out and have them charged up, 792 00:48:53,922 --> 00:48:58,856 teach everybody how to use them. We can have 6 or 8 satellite phones. 793 00:48:58,856 --> 00:49:01,930 We'll keep them here, keep them charged up, 794 00:49:01,930 --> 00:49:04,933 make sure everybody knows how to use them. 795 00:49:04,933 --> 00:49:10,796 Have some rugged laptops that can tie into that satellite phone and be able to use 796 00:49:10,796 --> 00:49:15,587 it. So that you can communicate, you can get emails back and forth. 797 00:49:15,587 --> 00:49:20,806 The other thing is we need some— we need to think about a remote— I mean, 798 00:49:20,806 --> 00:49:24,310 this room right here could be the command center. 799 00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:27,384 You know, we could set up a command center. 800 00:49:27,384 --> 00:49:33,175 We've got screens, we've got electricity, but what if electricity goes down here? 801 00:49:33,175 --> 00:49:34,748 We've got a generator. 802 00:49:34,748 --> 00:49:40,683 We probably needed a generator to be able to run, you know, 10, 12 hours at a time. 803 00:49:40,683 --> 00:49:46,117 I don't know if we would keep it up 24/7, but for the first, I would say, 5, 804 00:49:46,117 --> 00:49:50,264 6 days of that storm, we probably needed a command center. 805 00:49:50,264 --> 00:49:55,555 The command center was me in my truck sitting over there in the McDonald's 806 00:49:55,555 --> 00:49:56,055 sitting over there in the McDonald's parking 807 00:49:56,055 --> 00:49:57,843 lot stealing their Wi-Fi. 808 00:49:57,843 --> 00:50:03,563 You know, I mean, that's how I got in touch with most of you, most of you folks. 809 00:50:03,563 --> 00:50:07,781 And I luckily, I had my cell phone and the city cell phone, 810 00:50:07,781 --> 00:50:10,641 so I traded off keeping them charged up. 811 00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:12,214 So, you know, there's, 812 00:50:12,214 --> 00:50:17,291 there's things we've got to put some funds toward getting some of this, 813 00:50:17,291 --> 00:50:20,651 these devices that we can have available to us, 814 00:50:20,651 --> 00:50:23,297 and we have to run practice sessions. 815 00:50:23,297 --> 00:50:28,016 You know, once a quarter we go through, we go in, open the locker, 816 00:50:28,016 --> 00:50:31,233 pass out all the phones, send everybody home. 817 00:50:31,233 --> 00:50:37,168 We have a test call and you make sure you can use all your equipment and bring them 818 00:50:37,168 --> 00:50:41,601 back the next day. But those are— that's how you get prepared. 819 00:50:41,601 --> 00:50:46,963 You can't wait till the storm happens and your light goes out to say, dang, 820 00:50:46,963 --> 00:50:52,469 who do I need to call? David DeMarco. I can't get him. He's not answering his 821 00:50:52,469 --> 00:50:52,898 can't get him. He's not answering his phone. 822 00:50:52,898 --> 00:50:55,758 The reason he's not answering his phone, 823 00:50:55,758 --> 00:51:01,621 he don't have any electricity down there and his phone's dead and it's going right 824 00:51:01,621 --> 00:51:07,269 to his voicemail and you won't get him till, you know, the weekend. Yes, ma'am. 825 00:51:07,269 --> 00:51:10,348 Do you have any idea as to the cost of this? 826 00:51:10,348 --> 00:51:15,894 Yeah, I'm working on that. I've, I've gotten several different costs for 827 00:51:15,894 --> 00:51:16,742 gotten several different costs for everything. 828 00:51:16,742 --> 00:51:21,595 I mean, right now, if we— if I went out and got the thing, the, 829 00:51:21,595 --> 00:51:26,833 the bare minimum things that we needed, it'd run $20,000 to $30,000. 830 00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:32,842 If we get a little more robust from that, we may get up to $40,000 or $50,000. 831 00:51:32,842 --> 00:51:35,538 But that's kind of a one-time cost. 832 00:51:35,538 --> 00:51:41,932 But then you have recurring costs of you have to have a subscription to Starlink or 833 00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:45,244 one of the other companies that We do that. 834 00:51:45,244 --> 00:51:48,017 But I would say, looking back on it, 835 00:51:48,017 --> 00:51:53,949 if we'd had all that equipment and we could have communicated with people and 836 00:51:53,949 --> 00:51:54,257 could have communicated with people and been 837 00:51:54,257 --> 00:52:00,343 able to talk to NES a little bit better and coordinate and coordinate with each 838 00:52:00,343 --> 00:52:06,737 other so that you all can coordinate with your constituents and your neighborhoods, 839 00:52:06,737 --> 00:52:10,049 you'd say that was well worth that $50,000. 840 00:52:10,049 --> 00:52:10,517 Because— 841 00:52:12,894 --> 00:52:16,273 You know, disasters are going to happen. 842 00:52:16,273 --> 00:52:22,524 I went back all the way to 1997, and there's disasters that hit Tennessee. 843 00:52:22,524 --> 00:52:25,988 And not that we're the new disaster zone, 844 00:52:25,988 --> 00:52:32,577 but you think about all that's happened since 2010. 2010 was a major disaster. 845 00:52:32,577 --> 00:52:38,828 That hurricane, Hurricane Ella, or whatever it was, it hit East Tennessee. 846 00:52:38,828 --> 00:52:42,460 It could have easily been Middle Tennessee. 847 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:47,613 This winter storm, we're likely to have another winter storm, 848 00:52:47,613 --> 00:52:54,033 but I'm thinking we're likely to have a flood before we have a winter storm. 849 00:52:54,033 --> 00:53:00,284 And that's just the nature of things. Mother Nature is not playing around. 850 00:53:00,284 --> 00:53:05,268 She's going to— she's going to drop in some disasters here, 851 00:53:05,268 --> 00:53:11,266 and we just need to be ready. And we need to know what our appetite is. 852 00:53:11,266 --> 00:53:16,588 The appetite is to not only buy the equipment, learn to use it, 853 00:53:16,588 --> 00:53:23,599 but also take the responsibility to be the one that takes that device home and uses 854 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,485 it and is— and you're willing to be a contact. 855 00:53:27,485 --> 00:53:32,892 Otherwise, we'll need to solicit for some volunteers to do that. 856 00:53:32,892 --> 00:53:39,396 Or we go out and talk to some security companies that provide security people 857 00:53:39,396 --> 00:53:39,734 companies that provide security people that 858 00:53:39,734 --> 00:53:42,268 know how to work in disasters. 859 00:53:42,268 --> 00:53:44,718 And when those things happen, 860 00:53:44,718 --> 00:53:51,223 we call them in and we add a few more people to our staff for a few days or a 861 00:53:51,223 --> 00:53:51,645 people to our staff for a few days or a week. 862 00:53:51,645 --> 00:53:58,487 I think the immediate community response Communication and the immediate response 863 00:53:58,487 --> 00:54:00,515 that we have as a, as a, 864 00:54:00,515 --> 00:54:06,259 as a board is to communicate with people right away when it happens. 865 00:54:06,259 --> 00:54:07,495 Yeah. 866 00:54:07,495 --> 00:54:12,552 I know your electricity is out. We know what the outages are. 867 00:54:12,552 --> 00:54:18,023 We don't know what the result's going to be on getting it back on, 868 00:54:18,023 --> 00:54:24,324 but we do know that NES is on site. NES is responding to us very, very well. 869 00:54:24,324 --> 00:54:31,039 For instance, we had a utility pole in a lady's backyard from the storm just last 870 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:37,173 week. She called in and said, there's still a utility pole in my backyard. 871 00:54:37,173 --> 00:54:39,163 It doesn't belong to me. 872 00:54:39,163 --> 00:54:45,297 So I called Antonio, texted him, and And said, I hope you're not too busy, 873 00:54:45,297 --> 00:54:52,012 but could you go to such and such Franklin Pike and look at that utility pole and 874 00:54:52,012 --> 00:54:57,318 see if somebody can pick it up? It was picked up that afternoon. 875 00:54:57,318 --> 00:54:58,009 Oh, wow. 876 00:54:58,009 --> 00:54:59,705 So they're responsive. 877 00:54:59,705 --> 00:55:05,486 They may not be responsive like that every time, but if they are sometimes, 878 00:55:05,486 --> 00:55:09,109 that is a huge improvement from what we've had. 879 00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:14,581 If we were sitting here a year ago and asking about how to contact Yes. 880 00:55:14,581 --> 00:55:20,285 If we had a storm and, and we needed things picked up out of the street or 881 00:55:20,285 --> 00:55:20,979 things picked up out of the street or whatever, 882 00:55:20,979 --> 00:55:23,754 we didn't know. We weren't prepared. 883 00:55:23,754 --> 00:55:27,839 That's why it's important to make these preparations. 884 00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:33,852 I have numerous, numerous documents that I've been working on since the storm, 885 00:55:33,852 --> 00:55:40,172 and I just didn't have the heart to put it all out to you because I don't think we 886 00:55:40,172 --> 00:55:42,099 have time to get into it. 887 00:55:42,099 --> 00:55:47,649 I think we need to start doing this at the workshop with the new people. 888 00:55:47,649 --> 00:55:53,893 And first thing I'm going to do is bring you a cost of the equipment that we have 889 00:55:53,893 --> 00:55:54,047 you a cost of the equipment that we have so 890 00:55:54,047 --> 00:55:59,366 we can go ahead and get some communication equipment that we can use, 891 00:55:59,366 --> 00:56:01,601 start learning how to use it. 892 00:56:01,601 --> 00:56:07,768 And then things like I've developed this This sheet of Davidson County Nashville 893 00:56:07,768 --> 00:56:10,928 Emergency Coordination Contact Directory. 894 00:56:10,928 --> 00:56:17,249 This is everybody that I could think of that anybody might want to call that could 895 00:56:17,249 --> 00:56:23,569 go on our website and could go out in a pamphlet. We can mail it to all the homes. 896 00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:28,117 And, um, so that's another thing that's good for disasters. 897 00:56:28,117 --> 00:56:28,679 Hmm. 898 00:56:29,290 --> 00:56:32,230 But it's going to take a lot of work. 899 00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:37,396 And, um, so Winston, you may be called in to be our, uh, our, uh, 900 00:56:37,396 --> 00:56:43,038 our committee member to work on this. So that's right, because you are— 901 00:56:43,102 --> 00:56:45,801 you have to do that within 2 years. 902 00:56:45,801 --> 00:56:49,384 You have tree ordinances, now we have fence ordinances, now we've got— 903 00:56:49,384 --> 00:56:52,982 well, you, you're our, you're our best volunteer. 904 00:56:52,982 --> 00:56:56,360 And listen, and you're, and you're still here. 905 00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,729 Mr. Price. Steve, so are you going to say something? 906 00:57:01,729 --> 00:57:09,001 Yeah, my parting advice— don't disagree with the things Steve has said. 907 00:57:09,001 --> 00:57:16,273 My perception is whatever perceived shortcomings you may feel as far as 908 00:57:16,273 --> 00:57:23,852 communication that you may be genuinely and correctly concerned about have 909 00:57:23,852 --> 00:57:29,997 been vastly overwhelmed by how well you handled the cleanup. 910 00:57:29,997 --> 00:57:35,937 That's what people will remember 5 years from now, is not, 911 00:57:35,937 --> 00:57:42,082 I couldn't get in touch with Dale, I didn't hear from Steve. 912 00:57:42,082 --> 00:57:48,125 They will remember how well The city got things cleaned up. 913 00:57:48,125 --> 00:57:53,480 Well, at least 1,000 people were able to get in touch with him because that's 914 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,402 how many votes he won. He got 1,000 votes. 915 00:57:56,402 --> 00:57:59,114 So the other 1,000 didn't vote for you. 916 00:57:59,114 --> 00:58:04,171 Well, so, so I don't know if it was Moses or my father, 917 00:58:04,171 --> 00:58:07,389 but poverty annihilates the future. 918 00:58:07,389 --> 00:58:14,468 Thank heaven that you all and some of our predecessors have been sound fiscal 919 00:58:14,468 --> 00:58:17,042 responsible public servants. 920 00:58:17,042 --> 00:58:24,581 And we had the resources available to pay for the cleanup instead of, as you said, 921 00:58:24,581 --> 00:58:29,270 we'd all be out on a volunteer crew this afternoon. 922 00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:36,073 And so to me, that's not that the communication The communications part is 923 00:58:36,073 --> 00:58:41,130 significant and worth pursuing and thinking hard about, 924 00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:48,669 but the continued sound fiscal management of this city's resources is what I would 925 00:58:48,669 --> 00:58:53,542 urge you to also give continued devoted attention to. 926 00:58:53,542 --> 00:58:59,978 Somalia, with $813 nominal per capita GDP, Their future's annihilated. 927 00:58:59,978 --> 00:59:05,862 They can't respond to famine. They can't respond to a windstorm. 928 00:59:05,862 --> 00:59:09,999 They haven't got any money saved as a people. 929 00:59:09,999 --> 00:59:17,170 And so that's why it's so important in my mind for this city to continue to be 930 00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:23,422 thrifty and industrious as you have been. I'm complimenting you all. 931 00:59:23,422 --> 00:59:24,836 Roger. 932 00:59:24,836 --> 00:59:28,669 That to me, having that ability To clean up, 933 00:59:28,669 --> 00:59:33,459 to pay for the Gulf crew to come in and do the cleanup. 934 00:59:33,459 --> 00:59:39,731 5 years from now, go door to door, might find 1 in 1,000 who says, well, 935 00:59:39,731 --> 00:59:44,086 I tried calling Mayor Grimes, we couldn't get him. 936 00:59:44,086 --> 00:59:49,835 But 99 out of 100 are going to say, man, that cleanup was amazing, 937 00:59:49,835 --> 00:59:55,845 because that was a A storm of unprecedented magnitude in my lifetime, 938 00:59:55,845 --> 00:59:58,023 my 43 years in Oak Cliff. 939 00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:58,524 Nothing— 940 00:59:58,524 --> 01:00:01,081 not been anything like it. 941 01:00:01,081 --> 01:00:03,637 And so the city responded, 942 01:00:03,637 --> 01:00:10,717 and you deserve great credit for coordinating with Metro and MOU and all 943 01:00:10,717 --> 01:00:11,209 coordinating with Metro and MOU and all that. 944 01:00:11,209 --> 01:00:13,372 Everybody did. I just— 945 01:00:13,372 --> 01:00:17,580 I say, you know, so whoever complained, I would just remind them. 946 01:00:17,580 --> 01:00:18,032 Thank you. 947 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,730 Be thankful that we were able to get the cleanup done. 948 01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:28,278 And I, in, in the last week of having people complain about the heat, I said, 949 01:00:28,278 --> 01:00:30,295 hey, remember the ice storm? 950 01:00:30,295 --> 01:00:31,363 Yeah, right. 951 01:00:31,363 --> 01:00:38,189 That was this year. And you, but you don't, driving around, there's no trees. 952 01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:41,232 Yeah, I know, somebody's backyard. 953 01:00:41,511 --> 01:00:42,804 But I mean, the city's cleaned up. 954 01:00:45,572 --> 01:00:50,360 I mean, I mean, Northfleet and Lakeview does not even look the same now. 955 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,087 I mean, you can't even tell that they've— 956 01:00:53,184 --> 01:00:57,792 the curve at the ends of Granny White, remember that picture? 957 01:00:57,792 --> 01:01:01,946 I mean, that was a genuine disaster. You can't tell it. 958 01:01:01,946 --> 01:01:04,892 You can't tell what the thing happened. 959 01:01:04,892 --> 01:01:10,406 So I just say, you know, now my dad did say this, save for a rainy night. 960 01:01:10,406 --> 01:01:14,107 Save for a rainy decade. Save for a rainy decade. 961 01:01:14,107 --> 01:01:15,747 And guess what? 962 01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:22,344 The 1951 ice storm was worse. It had another inch of ice on it. 963 01:01:22,344 --> 01:01:26,444 Well— 964 01:01:26,444 --> 01:01:27,423 It can happen. 965 01:01:27,423 --> 01:01:29,593 Yeah. 966 01:01:29,773 --> 01:01:30,001 Well— 967 01:01:30,001 --> 01:01:33,502 Yeah, I think 2 things I would say, Steve, 968 01:01:33,502 --> 01:01:40,169 is that I think one is I know that my predecessor as mayor always seemed to have 969 01:01:40,169 --> 01:01:40,253 predecessor as mayor always seemed to have a 970 01:01:40,253 --> 01:01:43,837 phone number so that she could contact NES, 971 01:01:43,837 --> 01:01:49,337 like during the Dereco and things like that. And I never got that. 972 01:01:49,337 --> 01:01:55,005 And I always figured, well, you know, there's some secret, you know, 973 01:01:55,005 --> 01:02:01,506 way to get in touch with these people that only the elect few get to find out. 974 01:02:01,506 --> 01:02:01,795 Yeah. 975 01:02:02,737 --> 01:02:05,767 But I mean, I think we've got to have those people. 976 01:02:05,767 --> 01:02:08,856 So now, you know, Alonzo has turned out to be great. 977 01:02:08,856 --> 01:02:13,490 And y'all are not going to believe this. I don't think I've already said this. 978 01:02:13,490 --> 01:02:17,648 Maybe I have. NES did not have a communications person until after the 979 01:02:17,648 --> 01:02:18,005 communications person until after the storm. 980 01:02:18,005 --> 01:02:22,223 They hired somebody in charge to be in charge of communications. That's 981 01:02:22,223 --> 01:02:22,876 charge of communications. That's astounding. 982 01:02:22,876 --> 01:02:23,183 Yeah. 983 01:02:23,183 --> 01:02:25,908 I think. And so, but you know, we've got that. 984 01:02:25,908 --> 01:02:29,581 But, you know, we need— and you probably have it on your list— 985 01:02:29,581 --> 01:02:31,418 the same thing for Metro Water. 986 01:02:31,418 --> 01:02:31,626 Right. 987 01:02:31,675 --> 01:02:32,156 That's right. 988 01:02:32,156 --> 01:02:37,046 The same thing for Piedmont, you know, whoever else is in. 989 01:02:37,046 --> 01:02:39,576 And so that's the first thing. 990 01:02:39,576 --> 01:02:45,225 Second thing is that I think it's important for city staff and city 991 01:02:45,225 --> 01:02:46,237 important for city staff and city employees to 992 01:02:46,237 --> 01:02:52,644 realize that the commissioners need to know when there's something like that 993 01:02:52,644 --> 01:02:53,066 know when there's something like that going 994 01:02:53,066 --> 01:02:53,319 on. 995 01:02:53,672 --> 01:02:53,817 Right. 996 01:02:53,817 --> 01:02:58,821 In other words, don't feel like it's on your shoulders to do everything and you 997 01:02:58,821 --> 01:03:00,721 don't have to, because people, 998 01:03:00,721 --> 01:03:05,662 the citizens frequently will turn to us and hold us accountable for giving the 999 01:03:05,662 --> 01:03:05,916 and hold us accountable for giving the kind 1000 01:03:05,916 --> 01:03:10,603 of information that they're looking for before they'll try to contact you. 1001 01:03:10,603 --> 01:03:15,354 So I think that's very important too. And, you know, that probably fits in. 1002 01:03:15,354 --> 01:03:20,295 And then the third thing is there are other types of disasters that we need to 1003 01:03:20,295 --> 01:03:20,421 other types of disasters that we need to be 1004 01:03:20,421 --> 01:03:25,046 prepared for. I mean, such as, you know, what if there was a— God forbid— 1005 01:03:25,046 --> 01:03:27,579 an active shooter situation in Oak Hill? 1006 01:03:27,579 --> 01:03:32,520 Now, Metro Police would handle it, but people are going to be looking to us to 1007 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:32,774 people are going to be looking to us to say, 1008 01:03:32,774 --> 01:03:37,651 well, what do you— what's going on? What do you know? And that kind of thing. 1009 01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:39,830 And— 1010 01:03:39,830 --> 01:03:40,124 Yeah. 1011 01:03:40,124 --> 01:03:44,398 There's more than floods and ice that we've got to be thinking about. 1012 01:03:46,628 --> 01:03:53,267 I guess the thing that I think that one of the things that one of our biggest 1013 01:03:53,267 --> 01:03:59,992 challenges is kind of leading off from your discussion is that I think that we 1014 01:03:59,992 --> 01:04:00,251 your discussion is that I think that we can 1015 01:04:00,251 --> 01:04:04,648 get the communication gear, we can do the training, 1016 01:04:04,648 --> 01:04:11,631 but I think we have to have a different mindset of what everybody's role is going 1017 01:04:11,631 --> 01:04:11,804 mindset of what everybody's role is going to 1018 01:04:11,804 --> 01:04:13,614 be during a disaster. 1019 01:04:13,614 --> 01:04:19,822 Now, granted, when people have family at home and their power goes down, 1020 01:04:19,822 --> 01:04:26,633 their water stops coming in, their pipes are frozen, their driveway is blocked, 1021 01:04:26,633 --> 01:04:32,841 you're kind of stuck. Your responsibility is to your family right there. 1022 01:04:32,841 --> 01:04:34,910 Your responsibility may, 1023 01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:41,118 may end at your front door because You can't get out of your front door. 1024 01:04:41,118 --> 01:04:43,791 But is the mindset going to be, 1025 01:04:43,791 --> 01:04:48,878 if we are asking you to be part of this crisis action team, 1026 01:04:48,878 --> 01:04:55,344 are you still going to be able to devote to that during those crisis times? 1027 01:04:55,344 --> 01:05:02,069 And I think that's a, that's a, that's a question only each person can answer. 1028 01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:09,139 So I would say You know, in my position, I feel my— it's my— I'm hired to do this. 1029 01:05:09,139 --> 01:05:11,294 That's my responsibility. 1030 01:05:11,294 --> 01:05:17,330 That's what you all pay me for, is to go get in the car, drive around, 1031 01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:23,365 find out what's going on, and be on slick highways, talk to the crews. 1032 01:05:23,365 --> 01:05:29,142 But Do elected officials feel like that that's your responsibility? 1033 01:05:29,142 --> 01:05:34,142 Or is your responsibility taking care of you and your own? 1034 01:05:34,142 --> 01:05:40,867 So I think there's a mindset that needs to, you know, a paradigm shift, if you 1035 01:05:40,867 --> 01:05:41,298 to, you know, a paradigm shift, if you will. 1036 01:05:41,298 --> 01:05:44,661 How deep are we going to get into this? 1037 01:05:44,661 --> 01:05:45,561 Yes, ma'am. 1038 01:05:45,561 --> 01:05:47,969 Because if there's a limit there, 1039 01:05:47,969 --> 01:05:52,492 we need to look at other ways to during those times of crisis, 1040 01:05:52,492 --> 01:05:57,016 have people that can be either contracted or hired to step in, 1041 01:05:57,016 --> 01:06:01,393 to step in the breach, to take care of some of those things. 1042 01:06:01,393 --> 01:06:06,354 And I think that's a, that's a huge, that's a huge step to take for, 1043 01:06:06,354 --> 01:06:08,908 for a small organization like ours. 1044 01:06:08,908 --> 01:06:14,380 Because, you know, just here in the office, we run out of people real fast. 1045 01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:15,552 Mm-hmm. 1046 01:06:15,552 --> 01:06:21,614 And the thing that I thought about That I should have done with our intrepid Ms. 1047 01:06:21,614 --> 01:06:27,601 Lohr is we should have moved her to the embassy suite and set her up where they 1048 01:06:27,601 --> 01:06:27,828 embassy suite and set her up where they had 1049 01:06:27,828 --> 01:06:33,966 heat and electricity and Wi-Fi so that she could be communicating with everybody. 1050 01:06:33,966 --> 01:06:37,604 And she was doing the same thing you were, Dale. 1051 01:06:37,604 --> 01:06:43,894 She'd get Wi-Fi and electricity or power for 20 minutes and she'd work real hard 20 1052 01:06:43,894 --> 01:06:48,213 minutes and it'd go off, and then she'd be incommunicado. 1053 01:06:48,213 --> 01:06:49,466 But she could have waffles. 1054 01:06:49,466 --> 01:06:54,623 Yeah, that's right. She could have had waffles. Same thing with the mayor. 1055 01:06:54,623 --> 01:06:59,849 You know, mayor, maybe we should have transported you to the Embassy Suites 1056 01:06:59,849 --> 01:07:00,267 transported you to the Embassy Suites there, 1057 01:07:00,267 --> 01:07:04,239 and so you can communicate with people. You'd have Wi-Fi. 1058 01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:06,678 You can still be talking to people. 1059 01:07:06,678 --> 01:07:10,232 And I think— and I'm talking about first, you know, 1060 01:07:10,232 --> 01:07:15,876 few hours of the disaster after we find out we can get you out and get you moved. 1061 01:07:15,876 --> 01:07:21,172 But that is not necessarily to make you comfortable or make her comfortable. 1062 01:07:21,172 --> 01:07:25,980 It's to put them in a place they can actually work and be productive. 1063 01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:30,257 Yeah, you know, Commissioner O'Dell's house is centrally located and 1064 01:07:30,257 --> 01:07:34,534 she has a backup generator that runs off gas and automatically turns 1065 01:07:34,534 --> 01:07:34,723 on. 1066 01:07:34,723 --> 01:07:37,977 That's right. I had forgotten about that. It would be. 1067 01:07:37,977 --> 01:07:42,075 And, and, uh, you don't have to go up a hill to get to her driveway. 1068 01:07:42,075 --> 01:07:43,681 That's right. 1069 01:07:43,681 --> 01:07:45,029 You can just slide on in. 1070 01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:46,073 You could slide into her house. 1071 01:07:46,073 --> 01:07:49,525 Now, if it's a flood, you might be— you might not be able to get across the 1072 01:07:49,525 --> 01:07:49,847 might not be able to get across the bridge, 1073 01:07:49,847 --> 01:07:50,537 the footbridge. 1074 01:07:50,537 --> 01:07:51,677 Yeah, that's right. 1075 01:07:51,677 --> 01:07:57,344 But anyway, I think that, um, I need to get a little more concise about where— 1076 01:07:57,344 --> 01:08:03,302 what we start with and what we talk about, and we'll do that at the next workshop. 1077 01:08:03,302 --> 01:08:07,298 And we can have that at— we can do that at Joy's house. 1078 01:08:07,298 --> 01:08:10,785 We can do the next workshop there. Come on over. 1079 01:08:10,785 --> 01:08:14,636 So my discussion on the lessons learned is just that, 1080 01:08:14,636 --> 01:08:19,721 unless you want to take it any further than that. That's all I've got. 1081 01:08:19,721 --> 01:08:25,399 And I've got more documents I want to send you all to review and look at. 1082 01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,122 Just one point on that. 1083 01:08:30,122 --> 01:08:35,740 About 10 years ago, I went with the Harpeth Valley folks over to a facility 1084 01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:36,040 Harpeth Valley folks over to a facility that 1085 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,137 Williamson County has built, 1086 01:08:38,137 --> 01:08:42,706 and I think it serves as a regional emergency command center. 1087 01:08:42,706 --> 01:08:45,628 It can withstand 180-mile-an-hour wind, 1088 01:08:45,628 --> 01:08:49,673 and it's got a whole wall of communications equipment. 1089 01:08:49,673 --> 01:08:52,070 And I don't know how that works. 1090 01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:58,137 Or if it relates to other governmental entities or if TEMA has something similar. 1091 01:08:58,137 --> 01:09:03,531 But that's— if you've not seen that facility, it's worth talking to them 1092 01:09:03,531 --> 01:09:03,980 facility, it's worth talking to them about. 1093 01:09:03,980 --> 01:09:05,928 And if there's some other— 1094 01:09:05,928 --> 01:09:11,995 either that or some other place that local governments could sort of dial into or 1095 01:09:11,995 --> 01:09:16,939 connect with, that could be a facility that could be of some help. 1096 01:09:16,939 --> 01:09:18,723 Yeah. 1097 01:09:21,723 --> 01:09:25,697 Yeah, okay. Well, Steve, I think this is a great start, 1098 01:09:25,697 --> 01:09:28,009 and I'm glad to see that you're— 1099 01:09:28,009 --> 01:09:32,343 you've obviously been working on this and thinking about it. 1100 01:09:32,343 --> 01:09:37,690 And I just raised it with Steve a few weeks, couple of weeks ago, I guess, 1101 01:09:37,690 --> 01:09:42,603 just to say, and this is something I don't want us to lose sight of, 1102 01:09:42,603 --> 01:09:46,937 is we really need to do some sort of an after-action report. 1103 01:09:46,937 --> 01:09:49,972 But, and, and That's sort of what this is. 1104 01:09:49,972 --> 01:09:54,740 And I think what this is, is going in the right direction, namely, 1105 01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:59,003 what are we going to do? What are we going to do next time? 1106 01:09:59,003 --> 01:10:05,072 And what, what do we need to build here as a— so there's a lot to think about. Yeah. 1107 01:10:05,072 --> 01:10:08,973 And we just need to get it put together. So thank you. 1108 01:10:08,973 --> 01:10:14,392 What do you want us to do with, with this? You— is this literally homework? 1109 01:10:14,392 --> 01:10:15,692 Would you like to— 1110 01:10:15,692 --> 01:10:17,392 Yeah, it's literally homework. 1111 01:10:17,392 --> 01:10:21,811 Just, uh, it's, it's to kind of jog your memory about what happened during the 1112 01:10:21,811 --> 01:10:22,094 memory about what happened during the storm 1113 01:10:22,094 --> 01:10:26,626 and make some notes on here so that when we come back we can start going through 1114 01:10:26,626 --> 01:10:29,516 these, these items and putting them on a board and, 1115 01:10:29,516 --> 01:10:34,275 and kind of putting a document together to see where we want to go and the things we 1116 01:10:34,275 --> 01:10:37,731 want to tackle. There may be ideas that we hadn't thought of, 1117 01:10:37,731 --> 01:10:40,733 and there may be ideas that we just don't want to do. 1118 01:10:40,733 --> 01:10:43,283 We just want to kind of keep it to the basic. 1119 01:10:43,283 --> 01:10:46,569 But we don't want to just— we, as my old boss used to say, 1120 01:10:46,569 --> 01:10:49,571 we don't want to try to kill this dragon all at once. 1121 01:10:49,571 --> 01:10:52,404 We've got to just kind of cut a toe off at a time. 1122 01:10:52,404 --> 01:10:52,629 Yeah. 1123 01:10:52,629 --> 01:10:55,653 And that's— and I think that's where we are. 1124 01:10:55,653 --> 01:11:01,427 And I think, I think the first toe is just thinking about preparing for the next one 1125 01:11:01,427 --> 01:11:03,833 and How we're going to communicate, 1126 01:11:03,833 --> 01:11:08,370 because I think that was the most frustrating thing that happened. 1127 01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:10,638 The big things like fire, police, 1128 01:11:10,638 --> 01:11:16,343 and utilities were handled by people that do those things. We don't do any of that. 1129 01:11:16,343 --> 01:11:19,849 There's no reason for us to get in the way of that. 1130 01:11:19,849 --> 01:11:25,073 One thing that, uh, maybe is one of the unsung heroes of This whole thing is 1131 01:11:25,073 --> 01:11:30,641 Jonathan Cummings and his public works crew because they were out salting streets 1132 01:11:30,641 --> 01:11:36,002 and scraping roads, but they were also cutting trees and getting people out of 1133 01:11:36,002 --> 01:11:36,346 cutting trees and getting people out of their 1134 01:11:36,346 --> 01:11:40,951 driveway, helping get people out of their homes into the ambulance. 1135 01:11:40,951 --> 01:11:46,244 And anytime we called him, there was a problem, he'd get somebody over there. 1136 01:11:46,244 --> 01:11:50,918 In fact, they got down on North Fleet and trees fell in behind them. 1137 01:11:50,918 --> 01:11:53,462 They couldn't get out. And Oh my God. 1138 01:11:53,462 --> 01:11:58,205 So, so we can't forget about those guys, our public works contractor, 1139 01:11:58,205 --> 01:12:00,542 because they are very key to this. 1140 01:12:00,542 --> 01:12:01,985 Because police, fire, 1141 01:12:01,985 --> 01:12:06,522 and utilities can't get into our streets unless we clean them off. 1142 01:12:06,522 --> 01:12:09,752 So that's very important that we continue that. 1143 01:12:09,752 --> 01:12:15,183 So, I mean, so there's, there's a lot to be done. There's a lot to think about. 1144 01:12:15,183 --> 01:12:18,895 There's a lot to do and there's a lot to be ready for. 1145 01:12:18,895 --> 01:12:24,462 And, you know, if we never have another ice storm and we do all this preparation, 1146 01:12:24,462 --> 01:12:29,205 you know, we're going to say, well, you know, it was all for nothing. 1147 01:12:29,205 --> 01:12:32,436 But when that thing happens and we're prepared, 1148 01:12:32,436 --> 01:12:37,110 I think we're all going to be glad we put the work in ahead of time. 1149 01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:39,700 And Joy and Marshall, you know, 1150 01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:46,551 it would be worth seeing if The potential for some kind of collaboration among the 1151 01:12:46,551 --> 01:12:52,149 satellite cities. If somebody's already done some work and thought, 1152 01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:56,075 and like a place like Marshall's talking about, 1153 01:12:56,075 --> 01:13:02,342 it would be worth exploring to see what the other satellite cities would be 1154 01:13:02,342 --> 01:13:02,926 the other satellite cities would be willing 1155 01:13:02,926 --> 01:13:04,848 to do in collaboration. 1156 01:13:04,848 --> 01:13:10,490 Well, I do have a good relationship with both Jennifer and Mark Hill at Bellevue 1157 01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:14,651 Bellevue, Belle Meade, and Forest Acres. And we talk a lot. 1158 01:13:14,651 --> 01:13:19,306 And of course, we're, we're all in that City Managers Association. 1159 01:13:19,306 --> 01:13:25,160 So there's a, there's a lot of resources, and it's, it's a good group, and, and we, 1160 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,641 we communicate a lot. 1161 01:13:26,641 --> 01:13:31,084 Now, we haven't brought the mayors into that, into that circle, 1162 01:13:31,084 --> 01:13:33,835 but there's nothing that says we can't. 1163 01:13:33,835 --> 01:13:35,316 And I think it would— 1164 01:13:35,316 --> 01:13:40,605 I think that would be the What should be the whole of the group is the city 1165 01:13:40,605 --> 01:13:41,169 the whole of the group is the city managers 1166 01:13:41,169 --> 01:13:45,754 and the mayors, or the city manager and commissioners. Everybody. 1167 01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:49,774 I mean, in those discussions, I think the more is better. 1168 01:13:49,774 --> 01:13:55,557 And then you get down to a working group and then let that group do the hard work. 1169 01:13:55,557 --> 01:13:58,216 Yeah. 1170 01:14:01,216 --> 01:14:05,389 I mean, yeah, just to remind— if I've told this story before, 1171 01:14:05,389 --> 01:14:07,031 you can tell me to stop. 1172 01:14:07,031 --> 01:14:10,316 But when we finally did get a communication out, 1173 01:14:10,316 --> 01:14:15,789 it was after NES sent out their first email that we got that said basically what 1174 01:14:15,789 --> 01:14:15,994 email that we got that said basically what was 1175 01:14:15,994 --> 01:14:19,415 going on. So this was like late in the first week. 1176 01:14:19,415 --> 01:14:23,463 Good grief. 1177 01:14:23,463 --> 01:14:30,335 And the only way I could put that together into a communication to send out to 1178 01:14:30,335 --> 01:14:36,149 the residents was— Steve suggested this— for me to dictate a text. 1179 01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:42,404 Try doing that. Dictate a text. He said, don't worry about punctuation. 1180 01:14:42,404 --> 01:14:45,664 Just do it. Say what you want to say. 1181 01:14:45,664 --> 01:14:51,743 And then he or Desiree typed it up somehow or another from that text. 1182 01:14:51,743 --> 01:14:58,174 And maybe ran it through Claude, and then y'all were able to send it out. 1183 01:14:58,174 --> 01:15:01,706 Yeah, we produced a really good document from that. 1184 01:15:01,706 --> 01:15:04,644 But it was torture getting to it. 1185 01:15:04,644 --> 01:15:09,268 Yeah. But it was either that or just go out back 1186 01:15:09,268 --> 01:15:11,870 and send up a smoke signal. 1187 01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:15,116 You know, that was next. 1188 01:15:18,116 --> 01:15:23,110 Because I went to the office every day and I could have— 1189 01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:25,429 I had power at the office. 1190 01:15:25,429 --> 01:15:30,155 I could have communicated all of this if I wanted to. 1191 01:15:30,155 --> 01:15:34,801 Well, and you know, I mean, that's part of communications. 1192 01:15:34,801 --> 01:15:38,085 When, you know, when something goes down, 1193 01:15:38,085 --> 01:15:44,332 we need to have a central area call in and do We'll do a check, you know, hey, 1194 01:15:44,332 --> 01:15:48,738 I'm here, I've got power, I've got this, I've got that. 1195 01:15:48,738 --> 01:15:52,262 We'll have a checklist, and if you got that, 1196 01:15:52,262 --> 01:15:56,988 if you got ability to help and provide services, then okay. 1197 01:15:56,988 --> 01:16:01,253 Okay. I'm sorry, I'm 1198 01:16:01,253 --> 01:16:05,823 losing my voice here. 1199 01:16:08,823 --> 01:16:08,999 All right. 1200 01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:12,625 Do we have anything else that we would like to or need to— 1201 01:16:12,625 --> 01:16:16,079 Let me, uh, I got a, I got a couple of things. 1202 01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:22,310 One is that, um, you all have been seeing some communication from me and maybe from 1203 01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:24,938 Dale also about the aircraft noise. 1204 01:16:24,938 --> 01:16:30,044 We've been getting some, um, this is kind of surfacing around again. 1205 01:16:30,044 --> 01:16:35,149 People are seeing planes go over their house, they're getting noise, 1206 01:16:35,149 --> 01:16:41,305 and I put I put together a communication and sent to the 2 people that asked about 1207 01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:46,186 it, and I think I copied you all on it, about how to contact BNA, 1208 01:16:46,186 --> 01:16:47,913 how to contact the FAA, 1209 01:16:47,913 --> 01:16:53,468 how to go to the meeting which is happening right now at BNA, and where to 1210 01:16:53,468 --> 01:16:53,844 happening right now at BNA, and where to park, 1211 01:16:53,844 --> 01:16:57,147 where they're located, all that information. 1212 01:16:57,147 --> 01:17:03,229 In fact, I had Patrick go to the meeting today just to see if any of our citizens 1213 01:17:03,229 --> 01:17:05,932 showed up and also to ask questions. 1214 01:17:05,932 --> 01:17:11,863 And he, he provided a list of questions on that form because in order to get in 1215 01:17:11,863 --> 01:17:16,368 front of the board, you have to submit a form ahead of time, 1216 01:17:16,368 --> 01:17:20,122 and then they'll tell you if you're on the agenda. 1217 01:17:20,122 --> 01:17:25,452 And he got a note back that said, you're not going to be on the agenda, 1218 01:17:25,452 --> 01:17:31,234 we're already full, but you've got good questions and we'll send Send you the 1219 01:17:31,234 --> 01:17:36,039 answers back to that. So, so we're trying to get into that loop. 1220 01:17:36,039 --> 01:17:40,994 Also, Creve Hall has a neighborhood committee that they've formed, 1221 01:17:40,994 --> 01:17:45,949 and they've also hired an attorney, and they are involved in that, 1222 01:17:45,949 --> 01:17:51,805 and they're going to keep, keep me in the loop about the things they're doing. 1223 01:17:51,805 --> 01:17:55,109 And subsequently, I'll let you all know how, 1224 01:17:55,109 --> 01:17:58,788 how we get involved with that neighborhood group. 1225 01:17:58,788 --> 01:18:04,569 But folks, I want to tell you, I dealt with the FAA for about 30 years, okay? 1226 01:18:04,569 --> 01:18:08,849 And they have a big foot and you can't step on their toe. 1227 01:18:08,849 --> 01:18:13,579 And I'm gonna tell you, it's gonna be real hard to do anything. 1228 01:18:13,579 --> 01:18:19,285 Now, it doesn't mean you You don't take the effort and fight the good fight, 1229 01:18:19,285 --> 01:18:24,991 but FAA, if they've decided on what they're going to do, they're going to do 1230 01:18:24,991 --> 01:18:25,216 they're going to do, they're going to do it. 1231 01:18:25,216 --> 01:18:29,786 Well, I tell you, this whole effort is like peeling an onion because it started 1232 01:18:29,786 --> 01:18:29,960 like peeling an onion because it started out 1233 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,009 with me getting a couple of emails from some neighbors on Villa Crest, 1234 01:18:34,009 --> 01:18:38,174 and I thought, okay, well, you know, they're upset about noise up there. 1235 01:18:38,174 --> 01:18:41,645 Well, you know, I get those same planes right over my house. 1236 01:18:41,645 --> 01:18:45,868 It is upsetting, but then it turned out that Creve Hall already had this— 1237 01:18:45,868 --> 01:18:50,380 their neighborhood association had hired a lawyer and they were working on it. 1238 01:18:50,380 --> 01:18:54,083 And then it seems like I saw some— oh, and then there was a guy. 1239 01:18:54,083 --> 01:18:58,248 Did you ever get the email from me from the guy who had done the report? 1240 01:18:58,248 --> 01:19:02,503 No, I never did get that. I got your email, but I didn't get the report. 1241 01:19:02,503 --> 01:19:04,661 The report wasn't attached. 1242 01:19:04,661 --> 01:19:07,619 Okay, well anyway, somebody has done— 1243 01:19:07,619 --> 01:19:12,895 somebody who's building a house on Villa Crest It has been taking— 1244 01:19:12,895 --> 01:19:19,130 getting information about flight paths and wind and all these different things 1245 01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:21,048 and has put it together. 1246 01:19:21,289 --> 01:19:21,771 Did you get— 1247 01:19:21,771 --> 01:19:22,686 did NASA send that to you? 1248 01:19:22,686 --> 01:19:27,535 There was a reference to it. I think the number of decibels of the noise was— 1249 01:19:27,535 --> 01:19:29,317 Yeah, yeah. 1250 01:19:29,638 --> 01:19:31,790 I'm not sure he had that in there, but it was— 1251 01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:37,134 Talked about 900 flights, had the data Yeah, it was something like that. 1252 01:19:37,198 --> 01:19:40,132 And it was, anyway, it was pretty interesting. 1253 01:19:40,132 --> 01:19:43,512 But, you know, they've got somebody who's doing that. 1254 01:19:43,512 --> 01:19:47,466 And then it seems like some of those people were saying, well, 1255 01:19:47,466 --> 01:19:52,377 we don't understand why Radnor's not doing— why they're not upset about this. 1256 01:19:52,377 --> 01:19:57,161 And then I mentioned that to our state representative Hemmer the other day, 1257 01:19:57,161 --> 01:20:02,390 and he said, well, that's because they've done everything they can and they're not 1258 01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:07,301 going to budge, which I think is just crazy to be flying over a natural area. 1259 01:20:07,301 --> 01:20:10,809 You know, I mean, that kind of destroys the whole idea. 1260 01:20:10,809 --> 01:20:16,137 Well, if you want to see where the planes are going when they take off, 1261 01:20:16,137 --> 01:20:21,916 when they land, you can go to FlightAware. There's an app called FlightAware. 1262 01:20:21,916 --> 01:20:26,118 I don't know if you ever use that, Joy, when you travel. 1263 01:20:26,118 --> 01:20:32,047 It's a really nice— it's showing a It's showing a plane going right over Radnor 1264 01:20:32,047 --> 01:20:32,347 showing a plane going right over Radnor Lake 1265 01:20:32,347 --> 01:20:38,575 right now. It just, it just, uh, just came over, and it is Southwest Airlines 1644. 1266 01:20:38,575 --> 01:20:44,504 Uh, it is at 274 miles an hour, and it's at 5,400 feet. That's it. FlightAware. 1267 01:20:44,504 --> 01:20:45,434 That's not very— 1268 01:20:46,188 --> 01:20:49,835 but no, and I thought they were supposed to change that so they were going up real 1269 01:20:49,835 --> 01:20:50,502 fast, and then— 1270 01:20:51,303 --> 01:20:56,183 but if you, uh, But if you go on their website, 1271 01:20:56,183 --> 01:21:02,413 you can get the information on the flight data from the FAA. 1272 01:21:02,413 --> 01:21:07,708 Now, they have a couple of maps that they produced. 1273 01:21:07,708 --> 01:21:11,239 And the last one was done in 2024. 1274 01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:15,911 And they're about to produce the one in 2026. 1275 01:21:15,911 --> 01:21:17,620 One in 2024. 1276 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,843 '24, I don't think very good information unless you just want to look through what 1277 01:21:21,843 --> 01:21:25,591 happened. But I think we're more concerned about what's happening right now. 1278 01:21:25,591 --> 01:21:29,622 Well, and this group, or at least these people from Villa Crest, 1279 01:21:29,622 --> 01:21:31,889 keep saying that there's a deadline. 1280 01:21:31,889 --> 01:21:34,660 Was it September 4th or something like that? 1281 01:21:34,660 --> 01:21:37,448 I haven't been able to find what they're talking about. 1282 01:21:37,448 --> 01:21:39,729 What— it's a, it's a public comment deadline. 1283 01:21:39,729 --> 01:21:45,425 Yes, and it's, and it's keyed off of a change that occurred on the 1st of July or 1284 01:21:45,425 --> 01:21:46,831 something like that. 1285 01:21:46,831 --> 01:21:50,910 And that you have to give— those dates are probably wrong— 1286 01:21:50,910 --> 01:21:56,747 you have to give public comments within 60 days and— or any complaints or whatever. 1287 01:21:56,747 --> 01:22:02,302 And that's all directed to the FAA and their timetable because they're the ones 1288 01:22:02,302 --> 01:22:02,513 their timetable because they're the ones who 1289 01:22:02,513 --> 01:22:03,990 made the change, not— 1290 01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:04,424 Right. 1291 01:22:04,424 --> 01:22:06,602 Metro Nashville Airport Authority. 1292 01:22:06,602 --> 01:22:10,895 And I don't I don't know which— who's in charge of that these days. 1293 01:22:10,959 --> 01:22:12,154 I mean, who knows? I don't know. 1294 01:22:12,154 --> 01:22:14,244 I don't know what— I don't know what he's talking about. 1295 01:22:14,244 --> 01:22:15,439 So I did— I have not found that. 1296 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,589 Well, so anyway, there's kind of a short fuse on that. 1297 01:22:19,589 --> 01:22:25,660 Um, but it's— it's— yeah, I think it's something we need to stay in touch with. 1298 01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:29,426 Um, and if I could, I will raise one other thing. 1299 01:22:29,426 --> 01:22:33,960 And then Winston and I did this the other day, was, uh, uh, 1300 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:39,109 I found out through I guess I got a Facebook notification and from, 1301 01:22:39,109 --> 01:22:42,414 from Caleb Hemmer that came up on my email. 1302 01:22:42,414 --> 01:22:44,052 Excuse me. 1303 01:22:44,052 --> 01:22:48,804 And, um, about this meeting that was going to take place on Monday. 1304 01:22:48,804 --> 01:22:51,925 I think I got this on Friday, on Monday, um, 1305 01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:57,245 to talk about I-65 corridor and changes and expanding lanes and everything. 1306 01:22:57,245 --> 01:22:58,734 And it was like What? 1307 01:22:58,734 --> 01:23:03,699 You're having a meeting on Monday and we're just now hearing about it? 1308 01:23:03,699 --> 01:23:09,161 And so, you know, that's— I called Winston and he fortunately was able to go. 1309 01:23:09,161 --> 01:23:14,197 So I think I sent all of— sent it to all of you, the notice that I got. 1310 01:23:14,197 --> 01:23:17,673 But it was kind of a— it wasn't really a meeting, 1311 01:23:17,673 --> 01:23:23,631 or maybe it's a meeting that's designed to prevent cause célèbres from developing on 1312 01:23:23,631 --> 01:23:28,809 the floor. But it's one of those situations where they just put up boards 1313 01:23:28,809 --> 01:23:29,518 situations where they just put up boards around the 1314 01:23:29,518 --> 01:23:33,845 room, and then they had people standing by them to, you know, 1315 01:23:33,845 --> 01:23:36,185 talk to you and answer questions. 1316 01:23:36,185 --> 01:23:40,441 But, you know, there was no— everyone say, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1317 01:23:40,441 --> 01:23:42,015 No plenary session. 1318 01:23:42,015 --> 01:23:43,636 No, no plenary session. 1319 01:23:43,636 --> 01:23:46,950 And, you know, when Winston and I both— I mean, 1320 01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:50,333 by the time I was getting to some of the people, 1321 01:23:50,333 --> 01:23:52,942 he was ahead of me talking to people. 1322 01:23:52,942 --> 01:23:58,158 And they said, I think I know What you're here to talk about. Sound walls? 1323 01:23:58,158 --> 01:24:03,587 I said, oh, you've heard. I mean, we were spreading that word loud and clear. 1324 01:24:03,587 --> 01:24:09,297 Now, you know, several of the people who were there were trying to explain to me, 1325 01:24:09,297 --> 01:24:14,936 well, no, that really comes up in the later part of the environmental evaluation 1326 01:24:14,936 --> 01:24:20,646 because sound is part of an environmental evaluation. Environmental and so forth. 1327 01:24:20,646 --> 01:24:26,427 And, but then as you all may have gotten, I guess you sent it to everybody. I did. 1328 01:24:26,524 --> 01:24:30,256 I had a pretty much similar email from Senator Campbell today. 1329 01:24:30,256 --> 01:24:32,543 I went ahead and sent it to everybody. 1330 01:24:32,543 --> 01:24:36,575 I probably didn't have time to read it, but it'll be in your email. 1331 01:24:36,575 --> 01:24:40,754 Well, I read through it and it, you know, it's extensive and complex. 1332 01:24:40,754 --> 01:24:45,539 I hope it doesn't make people feel like it's too complex for them to deal with. 1333 01:24:45,539 --> 01:24:50,143 But the main thing is that you've got until September 8th to send in written 1334 01:24:50,143 --> 01:24:53,595 comments, and thank you for sending yours in so promptly. 1335 01:24:53,595 --> 01:24:59,535 Yeah, I think it's really important that we notify the people east of Franklin Road 1336 01:24:59,535 --> 01:25:02,184 about that. I mean, really important. 1337 01:25:02,184 --> 01:25:06,406 I mean, I know you have your newsletter or your email list, 1338 01:25:06,406 --> 01:25:08,911 but don't wait till the end I mean, 1339 01:25:08,911 --> 01:25:13,206 do it as soon as possible so that their voices can be heard. 1340 01:25:13,206 --> 01:25:17,070 Now their noise is really, I think, worse from Radnor, 1341 01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:20,148 but surely a sound wall would help as well. 1342 01:25:20,148 --> 01:25:22,635 Yeah, well, that's true too. 1343 01:25:22,635 --> 01:25:29,563 But yeah, but I guess the difference with the interstate is it's all the time. 1344 01:25:29,563 --> 01:25:34,892 Radnor, I guess you have some space between Between squeals. 1345 01:25:34,892 --> 01:25:37,645 But anyway, it's a lot sort of— 1346 01:25:37,645 --> 01:25:42,441 there's a lot of stuff kind of coming at us right now, 1347 01:25:42,441 --> 01:25:47,326 and I think it's important for us to stay on top of it. 1348 01:25:47,326 --> 01:25:49,397 And I'll say this, I did get a response from them. 1349 01:25:49,397 --> 01:25:50,425 Oh, did you? Uh-huh. 1350 01:25:50,650 --> 01:25:54,513 And it was just kind of like, you know, you know, thank you for responding. 1351 01:25:54,513 --> 01:25:56,831 Somebody like a human will get back with you. 1352 01:25:56,831 --> 01:25:58,352 Okay. Well, Good. I mean, 1353 01:25:58,352 --> 01:26:03,036 it was very disappointing to me the number of people who were there who were— 1354 01:26:03,036 --> 01:26:07,720 I mean, there were more consultant employees there than there were, you know, 1355 01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:08,328 residents. 1356 01:26:08,328 --> 01:26:14,035 I did leave a written comment excoriating the noise issue and filed that. 1357 01:26:14,035 --> 01:26:19,116 And I do have a— I did have communication with one of the people. 1358 01:26:19,116 --> 01:26:24,353 I think she identified herself as the head Communications about it, 1359 01:26:24,353 --> 01:26:29,747 and I'm going to send an email to her asking, saying I'm getting some 1360 01:26:29,747 --> 01:26:30,607 asking, saying I'm getting some complaints, 1361 01:26:30,607 --> 01:26:36,782 can I pass these on to you and you forward them to the appropriate authorities? 1362 01:26:36,782 --> 01:26:42,020 So I'll see what I can do about that. I'll copy you on that, Scott. 1363 01:26:42,020 --> 01:26:47,793 The one thing that Senator Campbell's email did say that Steve has said about 1364 01:26:47,793 --> 01:26:48,018 email did say that Steve has said about the 1365 01:26:48,018 --> 01:26:49,743 airplane noise as well. 1366 01:26:49,743 --> 01:26:53,042 And I think it's something to take to heart, 1367 01:26:53,042 --> 01:26:56,566 and that is that you need to provide specifics. 1368 01:26:56,566 --> 01:26:58,515 You need to say, you know, 1369 01:26:58,515 --> 01:27:04,214 this is waking me and my family up all hours of the night, or something like 1370 01:27:04,214 --> 01:27:04,589 hours of the night, or something like that. 1371 01:27:04,589 --> 01:27:09,312 She did get into, you know, also testing decibels and all that. 1372 01:27:09,312 --> 01:27:15,386 I don't want people to feel like they've got to go test decibels before they send 1373 01:27:15,386 --> 01:27:15,536 got to go test decibels before they send in 1374 01:27:15,536 --> 01:27:21,684 a comment. But really, the more specific, I think, Steve, you can talk about that. 1375 01:27:21,684 --> 01:27:26,472 But well, you know, I mean, you know, time of day, you know, is important. 1376 01:27:26,472 --> 01:27:31,454 And you can get this from the FAA if you've got a time of day, or if you can, 1377 01:27:31,454 --> 01:27:35,272 if you can see the aircraft, see what, what the carrier is, 1378 01:27:35,272 --> 01:27:37,925 you can get that information and you can, 1379 01:27:37,925 --> 01:27:41,030 you can do it with an app like that FlightAware. 1380 01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:45,883 So yeah, and then, you know, as much information as you can get is helpful. 1381 01:27:45,883 --> 01:27:46,544 Yeah. 1382 01:27:46,690 --> 01:27:50,792 Can I make a— I don't know if this adds anything. 1383 01:27:50,792 --> 01:27:53,973 The problem is when you gain altitude, 1384 01:27:53,973 --> 01:27:59,749 and Dad was a pilot in the military and private, and I flew with him. 1385 01:27:59,749 --> 01:28:01,674 I never got my license. 1386 01:28:01,674 --> 01:28:07,785 But if you want to gain altitude, you keep your Wings straight and level. 1387 01:28:07,785 --> 01:28:11,803 That's how the fastest way to get your altitude. 1388 01:28:11,803 --> 01:28:17,914 If you turn your wings to turn, that's how you turn, you bank your wings. 1389 01:28:17,914 --> 01:28:23,774 Your vector, remember, your lift vector is perpendicular to the wings. 1390 01:28:23,774 --> 01:28:30,554 So you lose some of your lift vector when you turn. So you're banking your wings? 1391 01:28:30,554 --> 01:28:37,084 So what these people are doing, they want to get— Southwest Airlines, whoever— 1392 01:28:37,084 --> 01:28:40,683 they want to get to wherever they're going. 1393 01:28:40,683 --> 01:28:47,464 They want to get off the runway as soon as possible and head directly to Houston, 1394 01:28:47,464 --> 01:28:50,980 for example. What should be done, I think, 1395 01:28:50,980 --> 01:28:57,342 they ought to be required to keep it straight and level until they get to at 1396 01:28:57,342 --> 01:28:57,760 straight and level until they get to at least 1397 01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:58,765 10,000 feet. 1398 01:28:59,433 --> 01:28:59,642 And then turn. 1399 01:28:59,642 --> 01:29:00,606 And then turn. 1400 01:29:01,827 --> 01:29:06,768 Then you can slow— at that point you begin to slow your ascent. 1401 01:29:06,768 --> 01:29:13,200 And that's just common sense if anybody knows anything about Bernoulli's principle 1402 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:18,063 and airplanes. But I think that's— I think it's a whole thing. 1403 01:29:18,063 --> 01:29:24,652 And what somehow it's the dadgum airlines want to cut 3 or 4 or 5 minutes out of the 1404 01:29:24,652 --> 01:29:29,907 transit, and that's why it's We're all getting blasts, if you will, 1405 01:29:29,907 --> 01:29:33,201 at only 5,000 feet, whatever that's worth. 1406 01:29:33,201 --> 01:29:34,563 Well, probably nothing. 1407 01:29:34,563 --> 01:29:39,066 We may, you know, we may have better luck with the interstate. I don't know. 1408 01:29:39,066 --> 01:29:42,561 But I think it's important for them to know that, you know, 1409 01:29:42,561 --> 01:29:46,885 while they're talking about adding lanes or whatever they're going to do, 1410 01:29:46,885 --> 01:29:51,210 that anything they do, whether they think they're alleviating congestion, 1411 01:29:51,210 --> 01:29:53,520 it's going to still produce more noise. 1412 01:29:54,114 --> 01:29:58,174 And— Yeah, because if they make more lanes, there's going to be more noise. 1413 01:29:58,174 --> 01:30:03,639 And so it just needs to be, um, you know, it needs to be part of the, 1414 01:30:03,639 --> 01:30:07,045 part of the process at this point, I think, 1415 01:30:07,045 --> 01:30:12,906 because they're going to try to finish this study by the end of this year. 1416 01:30:12,906 --> 01:30:17,737 And, um, and then it goes to NEPA, which is a national Right. 1417 01:30:17,737 --> 01:30:23,281 For their evaluation. I don't think we want to wait until that at all. 1418 01:30:23,281 --> 01:30:25,620 It's the big bad environmental study. 1419 01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:26,604 Oh. 1420 01:30:26,604 --> 01:30:27,685 That's what that is. 1421 01:30:27,685 --> 01:30:33,034 Okay. So anyway, that's, you know, it's been a long time coming. 1422 01:30:33,034 --> 01:30:39,302 People have been promised that way back and even more recently and it just— 1423 01:30:39,302 --> 01:30:44,233 I'm sure I'm sure it's frustrating to them, and it's noisy. 1424 01:30:44,233 --> 01:30:50,501 It's very noisy over there. So I don't know, maybe something to post on the 1425 01:30:50,501 --> 01:30:51,169 know, maybe something to post on the website. 1426 01:30:51,169 --> 01:30:54,345 The attachment that I had that I sent, 1427 01:30:54,345 --> 01:30:58,524 had attached to my email that I sent this morning. 1428 01:30:58,524 --> 01:31:00,241 Yeah, that one. Yeah. 1429 01:31:00,241 --> 01:31:06,781 That attachment is something that could go on our website or maybe just Was that 1430 01:31:06,781 --> 01:31:11,931 the, uh, the thing you called it, the, the flyer or the poster? 1431 01:31:11,931 --> 01:31:14,316 Yeah, the brochure. It was a brochure. 1432 01:31:14,316 --> 01:31:17,009 Did you put that up? Yeah, I think, I think we got that up. 1433 01:31:17,009 --> 01:31:20,968 Yeah, it's— oh, you did? Yeah, it's this, right? 1434 01:31:20,968 --> 01:31:25,752 It was just a 2-page thing that they had as a handout, um, 1435 01:31:25,752 --> 01:31:32,515 which is probably the most important thing on here is that it says who to contact. 1436 01:31:34,382 --> 01:31:36,919 There is— the lady from— 1437 01:31:36,919 --> 01:31:43,263 the communications lady from TDOT told me and sent it to me, 1438 01:31:43,263 --> 01:31:50,875 there is a bill which just got passed which we can ask the state to do a 1439 01:31:50,875 --> 01:31:57,535 study about our noise level. Catch, we got to pay for it. Yeah. 1440 01:31:59,510 --> 01:32:04,381 Well, and the other interesting thing was that one of the people was showing me— 1441 01:32:04,381 --> 01:32:08,278 or it was on one of the boards, storyboards there that they had— 1442 01:32:08,278 --> 01:32:12,480 but one of them was about the Transportation Modernization Act at the 1443 01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:13,149 Transportation Modernization Act at the state level 1444 01:32:13,149 --> 01:32:16,194 that we get a little bit of money from every year. 1445 01:32:16,194 --> 01:32:16,500 Yeah. 1446 01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:22,970 Well, they were talking about as part of this program that they 1447 01:32:22,970 --> 01:32:26,770 want to deploy those funds From that, 1448 01:32:26,770 --> 01:32:33,138 from that whatever funds the Transportation Modernization Act. 1449 01:32:33,138 --> 01:32:36,116 So I don't know what that is. 1450 01:32:36,116 --> 01:32:40,218 I think you sent out an email 1451 01:32:40,218 --> 01:32:44,461 blast about the I-65 corridor. 1452 01:32:44,461 --> 01:32:44,864 Yes, right. 1453 01:32:44,864 --> 01:32:48,298 But I don't think it's on the webpage. 1454 01:32:51,298 --> 01:32:55,896 I think we put the, uh, that poster up. I don't know if we put the email up. 1455 01:32:55,896 --> 01:32:58,739 Did you put the email, Desiree, on the webpage? 1456 01:32:58,739 --> 01:33:04,556 I don't see it. 1457 01:33:04,556 --> 01:33:05,963 If we didn't, we'll put it up. 1458 01:33:05,963 --> 01:33:07,063 Yeah, I don't see it. 1459 01:33:07,063 --> 01:33:10,072 And what email are you talking about? My email? 1460 01:33:10,072 --> 01:33:14,967 Well, the information about the, um, from, uh, who to contact. 1461 01:33:16,036 --> 01:33:19,196 Oh, okay. Well, that's— yeah, that's it. It's down at the end of that. 1462 01:33:19,196 --> 01:33:22,446 We probably need to highlight it better, but— and then that's the— yeah, 1463 01:33:22,446 --> 01:33:23,033 there you go. 1464 01:33:23,033 --> 01:33:30,086 But that's it. What's that on? What's that under the heading of? 1465 01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:32,648 Latest news, I think. 1466 01:33:32,648 --> 01:33:37,279 Yeah, might be good to have it under Make Your Voice Heard or something. 1467 01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:46,073 Yeah, that's a good idea. 1468 01:33:49,073 --> 01:33:58,546 Yeah, right, I did get that. 1469 01:34:01,546 --> 01:34:03,324 Okay, I think that's okay. 1470 01:34:03,583 --> 01:34:05,761 I just want a quick comment. 1471 01:34:05,761 --> 01:34:09,885 I was pleased at how The paving of Battery was not as 1472 01:34:09,885 --> 01:34:12,530 nearly as disruptive as I thought. 1473 01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:14,041 No, it wasn't. They— 1474 01:34:14,041 --> 01:34:20,159 I think they had a new traffic directing crew than they have had when they had it 1475 01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:25,598 over on Evansdale. But they, they, they moved the traffic around pretty, 1476 01:34:25,598 --> 01:34:27,335 pretty good over there. 1477 01:34:27,335 --> 01:34:31,542 And they did a good job. They kind of expanded the road a little bit to the 1478 01:34:31,542 --> 01:34:31,879 expanded the road a little bit to the sides. 1479 01:34:32,457 --> 01:34:37,962 Um, you all know Mr. McCarty? You know, have y'all met Mr. McCarty? 1480 01:34:37,962 --> 01:34:40,427 He lives at, uh, 848, I think. 1481 01:34:40,427 --> 01:34:42,130 Hunter McCarty? 1482 01:34:42,130 --> 01:34:46,511 Uh, what's his first name? Jim? Jim? Bill? Bill McCarty. 1483 01:34:46,511 --> 01:34:52,690 He, he and his neighbor, they— their, their driveways just come right together, 1484 01:34:52,690 --> 01:34:58,557 and every driveway on that street had a transition from the driveway to the 1485 01:34:58,557 --> 01:34:59,105 transition from the driveway to the street. 1486 01:34:59,105 --> 01:35:02,938 You know how they do the transition, they go out. 1487 01:35:02,938 --> 01:35:06,928 He is the only one that did not get the transition. 1488 01:35:06,928 --> 01:35:12,873 And he is the one that calls us a lot. We know him a lot. We like him. Okay. 1489 01:35:12,873 --> 01:35:18,036 He has a real nice Panama hat he got from Reese Witherspoon's dad. 1490 01:35:18,036 --> 01:35:23,120 And Real nice gentleman, but he knows our phone number real well. 1491 01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:29,300 But the only person that didn't get his driveway transitioned properly was that 1492 01:35:29,300 --> 01:35:29,613 driveway transitioned properly was that one. 1493 01:35:29,613 --> 01:35:35,167 But I talked to our folks over there. They're going to take care of it. 1494 01:35:35,167 --> 01:35:37,749 They're going to take care of it. 1495 01:35:37,749 --> 01:35:41,660 Hey, if I could indulge you all for just a second, 1496 01:35:41,660 --> 01:35:45,493 because I think David will find this interesting, 1497 01:35:45,493 --> 01:35:52,064 and I think you'll find this interesting. But I went to a funeral Monday in Memphis. 1498 01:35:52,064 --> 01:35:57,853 A guy by the name of Michael Cenciola. He was a flight engineer on a B-24. 1499 01:35:57,853 --> 01:36:04,111 And he was stationed in Benghazi, Africa, in the 44th Bomb Group, 67th Squadron. 1500 01:36:04,111 --> 01:36:10,056 It's the same squadron my father flew in. Anyway, his funeral was this week. 1501 01:36:10,056 --> 01:36:13,654 He lived that long? He did not live that long. 1502 01:36:13,654 --> 01:36:19,208 But he, on his first mission, He was shot down by the Germans in Italy, 1503 01:36:19,208 --> 01:36:21,399 and his whole crew was lost. 1504 01:36:21,399 --> 01:36:26,170 And they buried him in an unmarked grave until just recently. 1505 01:36:26,170 --> 01:36:31,803 They, they, however, whatever, they exhumed them and found out they were 1506 01:36:31,803 --> 01:36:32,585 exhumed them and found out they were Americans. 1507 01:36:32,585 --> 01:36:37,826 And they started checking them out, and they did all the forensics. 1508 01:36:37,826 --> 01:36:41,815 They came back to the family, had them do some DNA, 1509 01:36:41,815 --> 01:36:44,945 and found out that was That was Michael, 1510 01:36:44,945 --> 01:36:50,499 a Cinciola staff sergeant that died in that crash on August 16th, 1943. 1511 01:36:50,499 --> 01:36:53,940 My father was shot down on August 1st, 1943, 1512 01:36:53,940 --> 01:36:57,930 but he survived after being captive by the Germans. 1513 01:36:57,930 --> 01:37:00,145 In the raid on Paris. 1514 01:37:00,145 --> 01:37:02,377 But he was in his unit and they knew each other. 1515 01:37:02,377 --> 01:37:03,694 Wow. 1516 01:37:03,694 --> 01:37:07,454 That's 83 years ago. The wing was shot down. 1517 01:37:07,454 --> 01:37:11,430 Where was the man— where was he buried? 1518 01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:14,167 He was buried in the West Tennessee Veterans— 1519 01:37:14,167 --> 01:37:15,777 I mean, initially. 1520 01:37:15,777 --> 01:37:18,572 Oh, he was buried in Naples, Italy. 1521 01:37:18,572 --> 01:37:24,959 And his parents were born in Italy and immigrated to the United States and moved 1522 01:37:24,959 --> 01:37:25,119 immigrated to the United States and moved to 1523 01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:31,586 Memphis and started a business. But that's where his parents were born, in Italy. 1524 01:37:31,970 --> 01:37:34,577 For those of y'all that don't know, 1525 01:37:34,577 --> 01:37:40,164 the raid that Steve's father was on was the horrible raid where they made a 1526 01:37:40,164 --> 01:37:40,685 the horrible raid where they made a debacle 1527 01:37:40,685 --> 01:37:44,559 out of it, flying in very low against the oil field. 1528 01:37:44,559 --> 01:37:51,615 Operation Tidal Wave. Yeah, it was a suicide daytime run, low-level mission. 1529 01:37:51,615 --> 01:37:55,594 They had one man that was a prisoner with him. 1530 01:37:55,594 --> 01:38:01,823 He had bailed out and And it was floating down, and he said, oh my gosh, 1531 01:38:01,823 --> 01:38:05,110 I'm coming down into the oil refinery. 1532 01:38:05,110 --> 01:38:10,820 It was on fire and exploded, blew him back up 4,000 or 5,000 feet. 1533 01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:11,990 He came over here and landed. 1534 01:38:12,050 --> 01:38:12,700 He was okay. 1535 01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:14,169 Oh, wow. 1536 01:38:14,169 --> 01:38:15,450 Anyhow, we got way off the subject. 1537 01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:18,810 Yeah, Commissioner O'Dell has got something she wants to say. 1538 01:38:18,810 --> 01:38:21,785 Yeah, thank you for indulging me here. 1539 01:38:21,785 --> 01:38:25,621 I'll Be brief, but to the incoming board members, 1540 01:38:25,621 --> 01:38:30,083 I think that there's a little work that needs to be done. 1541 01:38:30,083 --> 01:38:33,606 One, um, when we found out that our property— 1542 01:38:33,606 --> 01:38:39,634 side property setbacks for accessory buildings are not lined up with the main 1543 01:38:39,634 --> 01:38:40,104 buildings are not lined up with the main house, 1544 01:38:40,104 --> 01:38:44,018 please correct that and do it as soon as possible. 1545 01:38:44,018 --> 01:38:49,420 We don't want another debacle like we've had at Robertson and Dustin. 1546 01:38:49,420 --> 01:38:54,430 Also The definition of sports court needs to be somehow defined. 1547 01:38:54,430 --> 01:38:54,880 What? 1548 01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,949 Sports court. That needs a definition. 1549 01:38:57,949 --> 01:39:04,330 I mean, I don't think a basketball goal at the end of a driveway qualifies as a 1550 01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:09,741 sport court. I don't think any of us have had that as an objective. 1551 01:39:09,741 --> 01:39:13,699 So I think that really needs to be taken care of. 1552 01:39:13,699 --> 01:39:18,707 Also, I really don't even know that the term trees is defined. 1553 01:39:18,707 --> 01:39:20,564 And the tree ordinance. 1554 01:39:20,564 --> 01:39:26,460 And, you know, we haven't had a problem yet, but you know how people are. 1555 01:39:26,460 --> 01:39:30,418 I just think that we need to take a look at that. 1556 01:39:30,418 --> 01:39:34,699 Lastly, I have seen a situation in Belle Meade where, 1557 01:39:34,699 --> 01:39:38,899 you know how they are about speeding in Belle Meade. 1558 01:39:38,899 --> 01:39:45,360 They have really addressed it other than than just having their police out there 1559 01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:51,903 with their little guns. And Desiree, do you have that video you're going to show? 1560 01:39:51,903 --> 01:39:55,295 This is at Westside— I'm sorry, West Pine. 1561 01:39:55,295 --> 01:39:58,849 It's on the boundary of Bellamy Golf Course. 1562 01:39:58,849 --> 01:40:03,614 It goes in, uh, you're heading from west to, um, Page Road. 1563 01:40:03,614 --> 01:40:05,440 Yep. 1564 01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:06,184 Okay. 1565 01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,504 It actually goes all the way to 100, I think. 1566 01:40:08,504 --> 01:40:08,745 Yeah. 1567 01:40:08,745 --> 01:40:09,806 By Sam's place. 1568 01:40:09,806 --> 01:40:15,127 Okay, well anyway, if you can— because I'm such a good driver, 1569 01:40:15,127 --> 01:40:17,358 I can video while I drive. 1570 01:40:17,358 --> 01:40:18,738 Oh, hands-free. 1571 01:40:18,738 --> 01:40:21,691 The little flower box, is that what we're talking about? 1572 01:40:21,691 --> 01:40:25,889 Yeah. Yeah, I, uh, I made some photographs of that, 1573 01:40:25,889 --> 01:40:28,029 and now I can't find them. 1574 01:40:28,029 --> 01:40:33,874 But I went over there and took that Yeah, I talked to Steve about this. 1575 01:40:33,923 --> 01:40:38,546 I'm like, you know, I don't think it can be as expensive as other things that we 1576 01:40:38,546 --> 01:40:39,066 could do. 1577 01:40:39,066 --> 01:40:44,467 Here we go. Okay, where are you now? Which direction are you? 1578 01:40:44,467 --> 01:40:47,230 I'm headed to, uh, Bellamy Boulevard. 1579 01:40:47,230 --> 01:40:47,615 Okay. 1580 01:40:47,615 --> 01:40:49,915 But look right here what they've done. 1581 01:40:49,915 --> 01:40:56,005 Okay, they've done that same thing on Linwood Boulevard, 1582 01:40:56,005 --> 01:41:01,660 um, between Harding Place and on up to Harding Road, 1583 01:41:01,660 --> 01:41:02,530 I guess. 1584 01:41:02,530 --> 01:41:04,812 Now, I witnessed while they were doing this, 1585 01:41:04,812 --> 01:41:07,872 and I don't know if they've got irrigation in there or not. 1586 01:41:07,872 --> 01:41:11,337 I think you're speeding in that picture. 1587 01:41:11,337 --> 01:41:13,502 I'm not. I said it sounds red. 1588 01:41:13,502 --> 01:41:16,486 Well, it's really low. It's like 20 miles an hour. 1589 01:41:16,486 --> 01:41:17,048 Yeah, it is low. 1590 01:41:17,048 --> 01:41:19,759 But you come upon it. 1591 01:41:19,759 --> 01:41:20,994 There's another one. 1592 01:41:20,994 --> 01:41:23,622 And, you know, even if we can't irrigate it, 1593 01:41:23,622 --> 01:41:27,862 we've got residents in certain areas that say something has to be done, 1594 01:41:27,862 --> 01:41:32,520 maybe they would go out there and put water on it, you know, their front yard. 1595 01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,260 Plants that are— 1596 01:41:35,260 --> 01:41:37,391 Yeah, there's 3 of them on that street. 1597 01:41:37,391 --> 01:41:39,379 Decorative rocks or whatever. 1598 01:41:39,379 --> 01:41:40,388 Decorative rocks. 1599 01:41:40,821 --> 01:41:41,510 You don't have to put— 1600 01:41:41,622 --> 01:41:43,273 or welcome to Oak Hill. 1601 01:41:43,273 --> 01:41:49,010 Well, Steve, this is exactly what I called you about, the one on, on, uh, Lindley. 1602 01:41:49,394 --> 01:41:54,872 But also Also, it's not just this thing in the median. Desiree, can you go back? 1603 01:41:54,872 --> 01:42:00,281 Because they— see this line right here on the right? I mean, it moves you over. 1604 01:42:00,281 --> 01:42:05,006 And, and I mean, some of them are pretty exaggerated moving you over, 1605 01:42:05,006 --> 01:42:09,046 so you're having to keep your eye on the road all the time. 1606 01:42:09,046 --> 01:42:10,916 They call those chicanes? 1607 01:42:10,916 --> 01:42:11,916 Yeah, chicanes. 1608 01:42:13,463 --> 01:42:14,737 They have those on Formula 1 courses. 1609 01:42:15,710 --> 01:42:21,834 Well, you could also stripe the highway with some of those— 1610 01:42:21,834 --> 01:42:24,979 Well, we talked about that, but I do think that that median, 1611 01:42:24,979 --> 01:42:26,499 little median adds something. 1612 01:42:26,499 --> 01:42:30,961 Well, it's something to dodge. 1613 01:42:30,961 --> 01:42:32,467 Exactly. 1614 01:42:32,467 --> 01:42:35,423 Or not dodge. Yeah. 1615 01:42:35,423 --> 01:42:40,051 But, you know, especially the area where, you know, 1616 01:42:40,051 --> 01:42:43,228 waste redirection. Directs traffic, 1617 01:42:43,228 --> 01:42:46,313 and those streets are really wide. 1618 01:42:46,313 --> 01:42:50,488 I mean, some of those streets are really wide. 1619 01:42:50,488 --> 01:42:53,301 You can narrow them down. Yeah. 1620 01:42:53,301 --> 01:42:55,429 Anyway. 1621 01:42:55,429 --> 01:42:57,901 I think that's not a bad idea. 1622 01:42:57,901 --> 01:43:01,694 It would be probably less obnoxious than a speed bump in the middle of the road. 1623 01:43:01,694 --> 01:43:06,593 I'm thinking exactly, and cheaper. Cheaper and less obnoxious. 1624 01:43:07,190 --> 01:43:09,248 Less maintenance. Because I mean, 1625 01:43:09,248 --> 01:43:13,551 those speed bumps are going to break up and tear up after a couple of 1626 01:43:13,551 --> 01:43:16,419 years. And you're going to have to replace it. 1627 01:43:16,419 --> 01:43:21,982 Yeah, yeah. 1628 01:43:21,982 --> 01:43:25,578 But I've been going over to Caldwell Lane a lot lately, 1629 01:43:25,578 --> 01:43:29,633 and I'll sit there and watch people go over those speed bumps. 1630 01:43:29,633 --> 01:43:31,529 It does not slow people down. 1631 01:43:31,529 --> 01:43:34,288 You're talking about the speed bumps? Speed cushions, the rubberized ones. 1632 01:43:34,288 --> 01:43:37,422 Speed cushions, yeah. It just does not speed them up, it slows them down. 1633 01:43:37,422 --> 01:43:42,093 Or it's an old person, they stop. They want you to stop. 1634 01:43:42,093 --> 01:43:45,764 But if you go over them faster, it's easier. 1635 01:43:45,764 --> 01:43:50,269 But now, a true asphalt speed hump, you can't do that. 1636 01:43:50,269 --> 01:43:52,938 You really do have to slow down. 1637 01:43:53,117 --> 01:43:57,666 It'll throw you up on the roof of your car. 1638 01:44:00,666 --> 01:44:02,313 Oh, Cox Road down here. 1639 01:44:02,476 --> 01:44:07,989 Hobbs Road. Oh my goodness. Those, have you not been over those? 1640 01:44:07,989 --> 01:44:09,283 Yeah, I avoid it. 1641 01:44:09,283 --> 01:44:14,476 There's one in front of Parker Falls School and then there's one east of there. 1642 01:44:14,476 --> 01:44:17,737 Oh, it's unbelievable. Those are poorly designed. 1643 01:44:17,737 --> 01:44:21,724 You can see the dents in the road where 60 cars have already— 1644 01:44:21,724 --> 01:44:23,354 Yeah, and you got some real bank breaks on those. 1645 01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:27,509 The ones on Greene and at the top of the hill, they are real— 1646 01:44:27,509 --> 01:44:29,824 those are excessive and dangerously excessive. 1647 01:44:29,824 --> 01:44:30,423 Really? 1648 01:44:30,423 --> 01:44:30,956 Yeah. 1649 01:44:30,956 --> 01:44:31,603 Wow. 1650 01:44:31,603 --> 01:44:35,450 But the ones on Tara and Robert E. Lee are not. 1651 01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:40,034 If you're going 30 or below, you can go right over them. 1652 01:44:40,034 --> 01:44:46,091 But if you get 35 or faster, you're going to— you're not going to like it. 1653 01:44:46,091 --> 01:44:51,903 But I can go 5 miles an hour over the ones on Hobbs and Still not fine. 1654 01:44:51,903 --> 01:44:59,312 Joy, just to follow up on what you just suggested there about the setbacks for 1655 01:44:59,312 --> 01:45:02,731 accessory structures, side setbacks, 1656 01:45:02,731 --> 01:45:07,480 there was something else that we realized that we— 1657 01:45:07,577 --> 01:45:08,272 oh, I know what it was. 1658 01:45:08,272 --> 01:45:08,870 Oh, oh, oh. 1659 01:45:09,016 --> 01:45:09,970 The main structure must be built. 1660 01:45:09,970 --> 01:45:10,794 Do you live on Westheimer? 1661 01:45:10,875 --> 01:45:14,044 The main structure needs to be built before the— needs to be— 1662 01:45:14,044 --> 01:45:14,497 Right. 1663 01:45:14,497 --> 01:45:16,978 Somebody raised that with me the other day. 1664 01:45:16,978 --> 01:45:21,075 They said, why wasn't that done down here at Robertson Academy, Dustin? 1665 01:45:21,075 --> 01:45:25,056 Isn't that in our code? And I said, I don't think that's in our code. 1666 01:45:25,056 --> 01:45:26,325 Do you know, Marshall? 1667 01:45:26,325 --> 01:45:31,056 Well, we worked on some language one night and we did. We actually— 1668 01:45:31,056 --> 01:45:34,724 that you had to build the main structure before accessory structures? 1669 01:45:34,724 --> 01:45:37,457 We've worked on some— we worked on some language. 1670 01:45:37,457 --> 01:45:38,742 Well, where'd it go? 1671 01:45:38,742 --> 01:45:40,116 I don't know. 1672 01:45:43,116 --> 01:45:47,054 Um, I know we've caught this before and we've discussed it, 1673 01:45:47,054 --> 01:45:49,725 maybe in the context of this same thing, 1674 01:45:49,725 --> 01:45:53,663 but I told her that I didn't think it was part of our code. 1675 01:45:53,663 --> 01:45:59,270 Oh, I know, Julie Gall was the one who was talking to me about that on Election Day. 1676 01:45:59,270 --> 01:46:02,274 Um, she says that's the code everywhere else. 1677 01:46:02,274 --> 01:46:05,545 Well, you have to build the main structure first. 1678 01:46:05,545 --> 01:46:11,113 That may not be in the code But I don't— Marshall, hear me on this. 1679 01:46:11,113 --> 01:46:12,692 I need some backup. 1680 01:46:12,692 --> 01:46:13,190 Okay. 1681 01:46:13,190 --> 01:46:18,541 I don't see why we cannot make that as part of a procedural issue before we issue 1682 01:46:18,541 --> 01:46:18,607 part of a procedural issue before we issue a 1683 01:46:18,607 --> 01:46:23,958 permit, is that we have a timeline of when these structures are going to be built 1684 01:46:23,958 --> 01:46:28,780 and say, as far as procedural, until that— until we put that in the code, 1685 01:46:28,780 --> 01:46:33,999 is that main structures have to be started before for accessory structures are. 1686 01:46:33,999 --> 01:46:38,046 And I think you could tighten up the definition of sports court. 1687 01:46:38,046 --> 01:46:38,656 Oh, yeah. 1688 01:46:38,656 --> 01:46:40,213 You know, that was a very— 1689 01:46:40,213 --> 01:46:42,879 We've got to break that. That whole sentence needs to be broken up. 1690 01:46:42,879 --> 01:46:47,789 Yeah, but I think— can't you interpret it more strict than you have? 1691 01:46:47,789 --> 01:46:53,493 I mean, if you look up the word sports court in the dictionary, it doesn't say— 1692 01:46:53,493 --> 01:46:55,082 it has a lot of stuff. 1693 01:46:55,082 --> 01:46:57,075 I believe we could go to the— 1694 01:46:57,075 --> 01:47:00,993 I think we could just refer to the ICC for a sports court 1695 01:47:00,993 --> 01:47:03,949 definition because we have adopted the ICC. 1696 01:47:03,949 --> 01:47:08,838 It'd be interesting to see what the ICC says about it. 1697 01:47:08,838 --> 01:47:11,717 Yeah. 1698 01:47:11,717 --> 01:47:13,490 Yeah, okay. All right, 1699 01:47:13,490 --> 01:47:17,198 thank you for those reminders and suggestions. 1700 01:47:17,198 --> 01:47:20,745 Anybody else have anything to bring forward? 1701 01:47:20,745 --> 01:47:26,164 Come on, Scott, give us another question. Come on, I'm taking that. Robert E. 1702 01:47:26,164 --> 01:47:28,205 Lee, knowledge is the future. 1703 01:47:28,205 --> 01:47:32,597 Winston and I will talk while you're thinking it up. 1704 01:47:32,597 --> 01:47:35,722 Yeah, well, what I want to say again, 1705 01:47:35,722 --> 01:47:40,198 the same basically as I said at the beginning of the— 1706 01:47:40,198 --> 01:47:43,492 when I gave you all those certificates, 1707 01:47:43,492 --> 01:47:50,333 but it has been a pleasure working with both of you, Scott and And, and, and Joy. 1708 01:47:50,333 --> 01:47:57,259 And you all have made real contributions and have been solid members of this board 1709 01:47:57,259 --> 01:48:03,931 and appreciate what you've done and the time you've put into it. And thank you. 1710 01:48:03,931 --> 01:48:04,776 Thank you. 1711 01:48:05,099 --> 01:48:05,696 It's been a pleasure. 1712 01:48:08,586 --> 01:48:14,205 I've said it before, what a model. How I wish the federal government worked as 1713 01:48:14,205 --> 01:48:15,290 wish the federal government worked as well. 1714 01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:23,076 Maybe put them, put them under a Sunshine Law. Yeah. 1715 01:48:26,076 --> 01:48:27,040 They have a shade law. 1716 01:48:27,281 --> 01:48:28,904 Sustainable. 1717 01:48:28,968 --> 01:48:34,414 Yeah, it's going to happen when our grandkids return.