[0:00] Let's go ahead and—
[0:00] yeah, go ahead and get started.
[0:03] Please ensure your
[0:08] microphones are on.
[0:14] Thank you.
[0:14] Okay, yeah, we're ready to go back on, I
believe.
[0:19] Um, okay, um, so this is the, um,
[0:22] workshop meeting of the Board of
Commissioners, uh, for Wednesday,
[0:28] August 19th, 2026, and we have— all of the
Commissioners are here,
[0:35] so we have a quorum.
[0:37] However, we will not be transacting any
official business where we are
[0:43] taking votes and suchlike,
[0:46] but we will be discussing issues that we
are going to be dealing with.
[0:53] So if I could, we have got 3 items on
here.
[0:57] I wonder if, if the illegal parking
discussion ought to go first.
[1:03] Uh, it will be quick, so— That's what I
thought.
[1:07] So if you all will look at your, um, your
sheet that looks like this right here.
[1:14] Um, so what you have—
[1:16] I'm glad you're doing this first because
you are going to see a kinder,
[1:22] gentler Steve Collie.
[1:24] Okay, so what I—
[1:24] What happened to you?
[1:26] What I'm going to propose here After, um,
after a couple of years of,
[1:32] of having this parking issue, um, several
people have said things about warnings.
[1:39] And, and, and my philosophy over the years
of managing police departments and
[1:46] security details and those things like
that is that You know, the,
[1:52] the ticket writer is not the judge. We are
the compliance person.
[1:57] So if there's someone out of compliance,
we point it out to them.
[2:03] The judge is the one that's going to have
mercy on them.
[2:08] It's not going to be the ticket writer or
the,
[2:12] or the safety official or the policeman.
[2:15] And after watching this roll out for
several years now,
[2:20] I feel like that we could introduce this
warning, parking warning program,
[2:26] and not just give a warning, but also have
a tracking system for that.
[2:33] And also provide some education along the
way.
[2:37] So if somebody is parked in front of their
house and they had to park in front of
[2:44] the house because somebody was blocking
their driveway or whatever,
[2:49] and they went inside and they took the
groceries and they forgot the car was
[2:56] groceries and they forgot the car was
parked
[2:57] in the street, and finally, uh, while they
were in there cooking dinner, uh,
[3:03] they forgot about the car and they got a
ticket.
[3:07] And, um, I've been pretty heartless about
that.
[3:12] Park in a traffic lane, you get a ticket.
[3:15] Sorry, go pay the ticket or go cry to the
judge. But I have changed.
[3:21] I have had an epiphany.
[3:23] Okay.
[3:24] I, I feel like that there is probably
some, um,
[3:28] leeway for housewives or people to park in
the street,
[3:33] but if they are going to do that You know,
we're not here to try to make—
[3:39] to try to run the city on parking tickets,
[3:43] but we are here to try to run the city in
a safe and, um, in a safe,
[3:48] coordinated fashion. So I believe we could
use this parking ticket format.
[3:55] And what you see here is actually a ticket
that would be like this.
[4:00] It would be front and back.
[4:03] It'd be a ticket on the front and this
information on the back.
[4:08] And what this says on the back,
[4:11] it just says that there are rules and
regulations that are done for the purpose
[4:18] regulations that are done for the purpose
of
[4:18] keeping you safe. And if we— if you
continue to do this,
[4:23] you will get a ticket and have to go pay
your fine or go in front of the judge.
[4:29] So, so this is what we want to do.
[4:32] And it can be a trial program or we can
run it for a year and see how this works.
[4:39] But it will probably get less phone calls
to you all for people that got tickets and
[4:47] had to come pay a fine. But that's not
what my goal is.
[4:51] My goal is not to cut down the phone calls
you get. I hope you get phone calls.
[4:58] Yeah.
[4:58] Because you're really kind of the eyes and
ears. We can't be everywhere.
[5:03] But if you get a phone call, then I know
that people— that we're doing—
[5:08] we're either doing what we need to do or
we're not doing what we need to do.
[5:14] So it doesn't bother me if you get phone
calls.
[5:17] In fact, I hope you do get phone calls.
And that's the way we make friends.
[5:22] But anyway, so this is what we're going to
try to do.
[5:26] This ticket, as you'll see, there's a
little perforated edge on the top.
[5:31] We will keep that. And we'll keep that. As
a, um, as a, a ticket and a warning.
[5:36] And I believe there's a way that we can
put the, um, the license plate on that,
[5:42] and then we'll leave this, um, other
piece,
[5:45] the long piece that says what the
violation was, and, and, uh,
[5:49] and our public service announcement on the
back. So we can start doing this.
[5:54] Okay.
[5:56] And see how this works, because we're not
collecting— well, we,
[6:01] I guess we are collecting some fees for
parking,
[6:04] and sometimes it's pretty blatant that,
that if people are parking in the street,
[6:10] in the roadway, that they need a ticket.
[6:12] But for some of the other things that we
think that are not blatant,
[6:17] we could do a warning ticket, and this is
what this would look like.
[6:22] Okay.
[6:23] So before we roll that out,
[6:25] I wanted you all to know that I've kind of
rolled back on my position on parking in
[6:30] the street just a little bit. So this is
what we'd like to do.
[6:35] So I'm just going to throw it open to you,
[6:38] see if you have any questions or comments.
[6:40] Seems like a reasonable step.
[6:45] I have one question.
[6:47] How many tickets a year Or a month do we
get?
[6:51] Wrong question. I don't know.
[6:52] 10?
[6:53] I don't know. I don't— I did not— did I? I
was— we were busy making this.
[6:57] I didn't look up any, uh, data.
[6:59] But there's enough that people are calling
and complaining that they got a ticket.
[7:05] So, uh, we can find that out. We've got
information on that, but I couldn't—
[7:10] I couldn't—
[7:10] Do you know if the people getting the
tickets, are they residents of Oak Hill?
[7:16] It's about half and half. Half are
residents, half are contractors.
[7:20] And the half that are contractors and lawn
people,
[7:24] and then the other half is residents.
[7:26] Your court clerk can answer that.
[7:29] Yeah, I was going to ask her. There you
go.
[7:30] Yes, sir.
[7:31] What do you got?
[7:32] The parking citations predominantly are
from landscape companies.
[7:39] I would like to say Every once in a while,
[7:43] I believe maybe a resident homeowner.
[7:47] I believe there's an estimate of 1 to 2
citations per month,
[7:53] possibly 3 tops.
[7:54] What'd she say?
[7:56] About 3. 3 tickets per month.
[7:59] 3 tickets per month.
[8:00] Yeah.
[8:00] 1, 2, 3 max.
[8:01] And how many of those are landscaping
guys?
[8:04] Mostly.
[8:05] Mostly.
[8:06] Okay. Yeah, yeah, because it's got to be
repeated.
[8:09] Yeah, violations, you know, it'll happen
one time.
[8:13] We don't need to—
[8:14] And they come in spurts.
[8:16] Yeah.
[8:16] Yeah.
[8:18] Yes, Commissioner?
[8:19] I'm really disappointed that you've had an
epiphany on your last day here, but okay.
[8:25] All right.
[8:25] I don't see anywhere on this about parking
single file. Is that an issue?
[8:30] I mean, at some point we were discussing
that because of health and safety,
[8:34] if you're having an event or, you know,
people are coming to your house,
[8:38] they should be parking on one side of the
street as opposed to other?
[8:42] Well, you know, for estate sales and yard
sales, we have—
[8:46] we make them get a permit for that, and we
tell them how that's supposed to be done.
[8:52] Now, if we come up on a garden party Or a
T,
[8:55] then if they're parked in the street or if
it looks like they're parked in a way
[9:01] that's going to cause a problem, we'll
talk to them and ask them to move around.
[9:06] We won't try to give them a ticket for
that.
[9:09] Steve, I like this, and I think this is a
great approach,
[9:14] and I love the educational component of
this because, you know,
[9:19] there are people who say they didn't know
anything about it, et cetera.
[9:24] And so I like that. But I also thought—
[9:27] and I get easily confused on this one
because we spent some— we spent a lot of
[9:33] because we spent some— we spent a lot of
time,
[9:34] not nearly as much as the fence ordinance,
[9:37] but we spent a lot of time on commercial
parking several years ago.
[9:42] Right.
[9:43] And I thought we had come up with
something on that that basically
[9:48] something on that that basically
prohibited
[9:49] commercial parking, namely contractors and
their various employees.
[9:55] And then, but for other people,
[9:58] it was to be sure that you had 2 wheels
off the road and that you—
[10:03] That's right.
[10:04] Right. And you're leaving a lane that a
fire truck can drive through.
[10:08] That's right.
[10:10] And then finally, we do have the yard sale
or the estate sale situation that we just
[10:15] did and came up with some different rules
on that, right?
[10:19] So I guess you don't need to cover
everything in this, but, uh,
[10:23] because this is just a warning.
[10:25] But one thing that we didn't put on here
and we're talking about is doing a QR code
[10:30] that can take you to the, um,
[10:32] that can take you to the muni code where
you can look up any of the other
[10:36] information that you need. So, um, yeah,
you're right.
[10:40] I mean, uh, we, you know, basically we ran
out of space I mean,
[10:43] we've got the font down as small as we can
get it now.
[10:47] So, um, we don't want to,
[10:48] we don't want to put a booklet out there
on the windshield,
[10:52] but I think we can put any other, any
other things.
[10:55] You can go to the QR code, but you're,
you're right.
[10:58] Those things that you're talking about are
in the, uh, in the code.
[11:02] And we are, we are, um, um, taking care of
that if it's not, uh,
[11:06] if they're parked out there.
[11:07] Um, just from a record-keeping point of
view, and this is way down in the weeds,
[11:13] but do you need to have the number on what
you leave with them as well?
[11:18] And then you say you've got— you,
[11:20] you do think you have some way that you
can make a record of the vehicle?
[11:25] The perforated line, this tears off and
you keep, you keep the tab at the top.
[11:29] You're keeping that?
[11:30] Yeah. And then we'll, we'll also put a,
put a space up there to put the, uh,
[11:36] the Or a carbon copy. Or a carbon copy.
[11:39] So we're still in a—
[11:41] we're still on the drawing board exactly
how this is going to come out.
[11:46] Yeah. Okay. I just wondered if at some
point there would need to be matching up,
[11:50] you know, if somebody come in, I guess
they wouldn't come in and say,
[11:54] I didn't get that ticket if they wouldn't
know.
[11:57] Right.
[11:57] Okay.
[11:59] Okay.
[11:59] I think it's great. Anybody?
[12:01] So basically, this is sort of the idea of
it.
[12:03] We've just got to work out the— we've got
to work out some more details.
[12:07] If I may, if we have one in court, will it
be on the traditional citation form?
[12:15] Yeah, it'll still be on the traditional
citation. Yeah. This is just the warning.
[12:19] Yeah, I think that's good.
[12:22] Wait, some other question just popped I
had a thought in my head about
[12:29] this. Now I don't remember what it was.
Oh, shoot.
[12:34] Okay.
[12:34] Anyway, I think this is a good direction,
[12:37] and I think people will probably
appreciate it.
[12:40] Okay. Now, I guess over the time I've been
here, I've had, I don't know,
[12:46] maybe half a dozen people call me about
getting a ticket.
[12:50] And their first thing is they said, I've
lived here for 35 or 40 or 60 years.
[12:56] And this is, I didn't know that you
couldn't park in those, in the traffic
[13:02] couldn't park in those, in the traffic
lane.
[13:03] And, um, so that's where I started
thinking about this.
[13:07] So, so if they don't know, it's here, it
is in the,
[13:11] in the code and we can give them, give
them a copy of that.
[13:16] So.
[13:18] Um, and they probably don't.
[13:20] And, and, but they do need to know
because, you know, my,
[13:25] my position has not changed on the fact
that it's very dangerous to allow people
[13:31] that it's very dangerous to allow people
to
[13:31] park in a traffic lane and not say
something to them about it.
[13:35] My, my fear is that Meemaw is going to go
to the garden And she's going to see other
[13:42] people parked close or near to the street,
and she parks in the street.
[13:47] And while she's getting the casserole out
of the back seat,
[13:51] she turns around and steps right into the
lane of traffic of a Maserati doing 80 on
[13:58] our streets, because they do go fast on
our street.
[14:01] And, um, and, and we can't stop that. We
can't catch them.
[14:06] We don't know what happens. But there are
speeders on these streets.
[14:11] Yes.
[14:11] And that can happen, and we don't want
that to happen.
[14:15] And this is why I think this is important.
[14:18] I think it's an education piece, and this
is the first piece of this.
[14:22] Let's see how this works, and we'll go
from there.
[14:25] Okay, that sounds good. Any other
comments? No.
[14:31] Uh, sir, may I ask you, are you here for
our Uh,
[14:36] this Board of Commissioners workshop
meeting, or— Yes,
[14:42] you are.
[14:45] I apologize to these gentlemen.
[14:47] These, these guys are from NES, and they
have a presentation, and we had,
[14:54] uh, well, I had mismatched the, uh, the
days they were coming,
[15:00] but I want to let them speak to you.
[15:03] And they're going to talk about street
lighting.
[15:08] Are you guys— do you have your— do you
have your—
[15:13] okay, yeah, I think we should go
[15:19] ahead and do that. Don't keep you
[15:25] here. And let me appreciate you being
[15:32] here.
[15:33] Yeah, look, it's been, it's been, it's
been a few days since we met with them.
[15:39] But these guys are from NES.
[15:41] And what's going on with NES, and he's
going to explain to you this a little bit,
[15:47] a little bit more in depth.
[15:49] They are converting all the streetlights
in Davidson County to LED.
[15:54] And they are already working at Forest
Hills and some other of the neighborhoods
[16:00] near us. And they're going to show how
they can convert this to LED and start
[16:06] getting our rates down.
[16:07] But it is going to cost us a little bit of
equipment cost during the process.
[16:13] But if you'll recall, several years ago,
[16:16] the PATH people came and they wanted a
couple of million dollars to do this.
[16:22] Well, I thought at the time, if we just
wait, NES is going to do this anyway.
[16:27] So now they're doing it. So let me let him
go through this process.
[16:32] He's going to talk about how this process
came about and how it works.
[16:38] And I'm sorry, can you introduce yourself?
[16:41] Before we, before we get started,
[16:43] keep me in a frame of reference.
[16:46] We had somebody here And I think they're
from Knoxville.
[16:51] That was the PATH people. That was the
PATH people.
[16:53] Okay.
[16:54] I'm with you now.
[16:55] This is not that. This is, uh, this is
the, uh, utility, uh, department, uh,
[17:00] National Electric Service.
[17:02] So what has happened is—
[17:04] Could you just state your name?
[17:05] Uh, yeah, I'm Josh Jones with Nashville
Electric Streetlight Department.
[17:09] Um, what has happened is that we've
partnered with PATH, with Metro,
[17:13] in order to change out all of Metro's
lights To LEDs.
[17:15] And then in that, we're also including a
smart photocell on it.
[17:19] A what?
[17:20] It's called a smart photocell.
[17:22] It gives us data back from the actual
light cellular,
[17:25] so we could tell when the lights are out
and also what the wattages are.
[17:30] It gives us a bunch of information that we
can use.
[17:33] They are in the process of wrapping up
with Metro.
[17:36] And while they're still here,
[17:38] we would like to be able to use them to
convert the rest of our lights,
[17:42] which are also other cities.
[17:44] Well, we've worked— we're working with
City of Forest Hills.
[17:48] They're going to start around Labor Day
and do theirs.
[17:51] And that's why we're coming here to, to
y'all is to talk about Oak Hill,
[17:56] try and get y'all to go ahead and get them
changed out too.
[17:59] Um, they are going to get changed out
eventually.
[18:02] One of the biggest differences,
[18:04] if we have PATH come and kind of do it all
at one time to where it's uniform and
[18:09] looks nice versus, uh,
[18:11] A maintenance call gets called and we come
out and change 1 light out of 20,
[18:16] which is kind of what you've got now. I've
got a slide there.
[18:19] You've got several lights that are HPS,
[18:22] and then you got just a handful that are
LEDs mixed in.
[18:25] It's very noticeable when you drive down
the road and you get all this orange light
[18:31] there, HPS, and then you've got a little
bit wider light.
[18:34] Yeah.
[18:34] That's LED, that's right there in there.
[18:37] So we have noticed even with Metro that if
we can come in and get them all changed
[18:41] out at once, it's uniform and it's not as
noticeable because it just kind of
[18:46] happens.
[18:46] Now we're not going to add any lights,
just change out existing lights.
[18:51] So in this process, it actually gives you
the ability to add if you want to,
[18:56] or take away, or change the wattage of the
light there.
[18:59] They do a submittal process with kind of
their recommendations.
[19:03] And we can give you that submittal book
that says, hey, right in this area,
[19:08] you've got this one light that seems way
too bright for the area.
[19:12] We would recommend reducing it.
[19:14] That's not NES recommending, it's Site
Logic, who was PATH, uh,
[19:18] doing the recommendations.
[19:19] But you have the option of saying, yes,
lower that wattage, the light down,
[19:24] or increase, or Hey, we noticed that in
this neighborhood or in this part of town,
[19:29] it's really dark. We would like to add
some.
[19:32] So with this process, you would have the
ability to change your lights up.
[19:36] Because I remember in the PATH program
presentation,
[19:41] they showed how we could not have such a
wide glare and kept the light on the
[19:47] streets and not on the yards.
[19:49] Yes, sir. And we're using the, uh, their
dark sky Cobraheads,
[19:53] because that's what y'all have is
typically Cobraheads.
[19:56] They're really good about putting the
light down.
[19:59] They don't— the light does not go up,
[20:01] and they have relatively good cutoff lines
on where they go.
[20:05] I'm not gonna say there's not gonna be any
bleedover.
[20:08] It's hard to do that, but it does kind of
keep it in contained areas.
[20:12] Thank you.
[20:14] One of the advantages of having the
SmartNode part on this too is if If we put
[20:19] SmartNode part on this too is if If we put
it in
[20:19] and afterwards you decide it's too much,
[20:22] instead of asking us to roll a truck out
to change the light out to a smaller one,
[20:27] you can actually do it from a computer and
just lower the, the,
[20:31] the amount of wattage though.
[20:32] It's actually doing it with the voltage
going into the driver and it'll dim the
[20:37] light down for you.
[20:38] Mm-hmm.
[20:39] And, uh, with this process we're working
on, we don't quite have it all ironed out.
[20:44] We're in the middle of it,
[20:45] but you would have a login to your own
lights to where you can The city would be
[20:50] able to control the lights is what we're
kind of working to. Just Oak Hill's
[20:54] kind of working to. Just Oak Hill's
lights.
[20:55] Yes. So NDOT couldn't touch y'all's, you
couldn't touch NDOT's,
[20:58] but you could touch Oak Hill's lights and
dim if you wanted to.
[21:02] What happens on Franklin Road, which is a
federal highway?
[21:06] It's all about who's paying for the
lights,
[21:08] because even though that's a federal
highway, Oak Hill, I'm assuming,
[21:13] is paying for those lights. They have
control over those lights.
[21:17] Okay. All right. Please go ahead.
[21:24] Okay. So that's the slideshow that they're
getting up.
[21:28] So the advantages is that LEDs are more
efficient. than the high-purist sodiums.
[21:35] So the energy cost does actually drop.
[21:39] There is a portion of the bill that's
called stranded costs,
[21:44] which gets added on there from when we're
changing it out.
[21:49] And that's a 60-month payback. So your
bill would increase a little bit.
[21:55] I think it's like right around 4% for
about 60 months.
[22:00] And then it would actually drop below what
you're paying today.
[22:05] As long as NES's kilowatt-hour charges
aren't going up.
[22:13] That's an estimation as of today, if
nothing changes as of today.
[22:18] Yeah.
[22:19] All right, so when you— well,
[22:20] that's an interesting point because it
seems like that was one of the things that
[22:26] seems like that was one of the things that
we
[22:26] spent some time with the PATH people on,
was something about—
[22:30] I think there was a lot of paying in
advance versus paying over time.
[22:34] And I think they were telling us that if
we did it with you all,
[22:38] that we would be paying over time. What,
what is that?
[22:41] And by you say 4% of our— of what?
[22:43] Of the lighting bill.
[22:45] 4% of the lighting bill?
[22:47] Yes.
[22:47] Okay. Regardless of what the lighting bill
is.
[22:51] I mean, in other words,
[22:52] is there a total dollar amount that we're
trying to amortize?
[22:57] So it's kind of hard right now.
[22:58] Because, because every day there's lights
that go out that are high-pressure sodium,
[23:03] and we're not able to— we have to replace
those with LED today.
[23:07] So every month that this goes on, or every
day this goes on,
[23:10] there's lights that are getting taken down
that are high-pressure sodium and LEDs
[23:15] are put back up. Well,
[23:16] we're not going to go and change those
LEDs back out unless y'all ask us to lower
[23:21] the wattage of them or change them out.
[23:23] Okay.
[23:24] So, I mean, I took a rough estimate back
several months ago and kind of did
[23:29] a changeout and figured out what the cost
would be,
[23:33] and it was right around 4%.
[23:35] That will change just because we won't be
changing out as many lights.
[23:40] But there's not a total amount that you're
looking
[23:45] at to receive from Oak Hill over those 60
months?
[23:50] Uh, it would be whatever the stranded cost
is of what we're taking down because NES
[23:55] is, uh, um, with streetlights, we are, we
are charged, uh,
[23:59] not to make money off streetlights and not
to lose money off of streetlights.
[24:04] So everything that we do is kind of just a
pass along to the city of.
[24:08] So it would be possible to say,
[24:11] X is going to be the cost of changing out.
[24:15] And if we had— we've got— fortunately
we've got reserves.
[24:20] We could take the option of just saying,
NES, here's the check,
[24:26] go replace them. Yes.
[24:28] And the way that would work is that you
would just pay that stranded cost off,
[24:33] which we've had other cities do that.
[24:35] And then that would—
[24:36] then your bill would actually reduce down
because your lower energy costs.
[24:42] Okay, I don't want to belabor this, but
what—
[24:44] To give you an idea, um, our street
lighting, uh,
[24:48] for the end of the fiscal year '26 was
$87,000.
[24:52] Uh, the year before that was $86,000. Year
before that, '24, was $84,000.
[24:57] So we're— we just had— we just paid our
bill in July,
[25:02] and that was $7,500 for street lighting.
[25:05] So that'll give you some perspective when
he talks about, you know, when we go,
[25:11] when we go forward to full, full LED.
[25:14] Okay. And so you're saying it'd be 4% of
that?
[25:19] Yes, sir.
[25:20] For 60 months?
[25:21] Yes, sir.
[25:22] And then after that 5-year period, then
it's— we don't pay that anymore?
[25:26] You don't pay the stranded costs off,
which would make that go— the bill go
[25:30] which would make that go— the bill go
down.
[25:30] Is the strand— I'm I just want to
understand what the stranded cost is.
[25:34] Is that the cost of what you've already
installed and it's out there and it has
[25:38] installed and it's out there and it has
not
[25:38] been fully paid for?
[25:39] Correct. The way the rate is done is when
we put up a new light,
[25:44] it's broken down off of 18 years. So it's
built into that $7,400, $7,500.
[25:49] I apologize. And that part of that's
getting paid off every month you do that
[25:54] getting paid off every month you do that
for 18
[25:55] years. Well, when we take it down, it's
not on that bill anymore.
[25:59] And that's what the stranded cost is and
would go on there for 60 months.
[26:05] Okay.
[26:06] The question is whether we could make 4%
or string it out 4%,
[26:10] whether we'd rather make it—
[26:12] It seems like that's the loan that we just
made.
[26:15] Yeah.
[26:18] Yes, sir.
[26:18] Okay.
[26:25] Okay.
[26:28] All right. So let's, let's let him go on.
[26:33] Well, I mean, I've kind of covered
everything that's on the slideshow with
[26:37] everything that's on the slideshow with
what
[26:37] y'all have asked. I mean, I have no
problem showing it.
[26:40] Oh, really?
[26:41] And going over it.
[26:42] Um, but I mean, if you'll go to that 3rd
slide or 4th now.
[26:52] You're bad.
[26:54] This one right here. Is it not open?
[26:56] No, it's not showing on that.
[26:58] Okay.
[26:58] Without messing with your monitor displays
and all that.
[27:01] Okay. Uh, and I can, I think I've shared
this presentation with you.
[27:07] If there's more questions, I mean, it, it
kind of shows what you have now.
[27:12] Um, and like I said, there's a lot of HPS
out there. I think there was 64.
[27:18] 4 LEDs on y'all's bill as of 3 months ago,
[27:21] and there's been some that have added to
that.
[27:25] There you go. There's the slide. Okay.
[27:32] As of 3 months ago, you had 441 HPSs and
64 LEDs.
[27:36] So you're starting to see them now
already. It's gonna be the new norm.
[27:42] It's our new standard to have LEDs in,
[27:45] and we are also going forward with the
smart photocell in them because now your—
[27:51] our customers don't have to call in when
they're out.
[27:55] We actually get notification when they're
out. That's part of it too.
[28:00] Will you be able to tell that on those 64
that are already replaced?
[28:04] Not right now, because whenever we're
doing this, we have We have yet to—
[28:07] we are starting to make it our standard.
It hasn't been our standard yet.
[28:11] And part of the reason we haven't made it
a standard yet is because we wanted to
[28:14] have these conversations with the cities
before we just push something out there.
[28:18] So you need to replace those, I guess you
need new LEDs that have—
[28:25] No, sir. Uh, the LED fixtures themselves
are fine.
[28:28] This is a photocell that plugs into the
top of it.
[28:31] Yeah.
[28:31] Oh, so they would just go to those LED
photos and take the We call them dumb
[28:35] photocells. Pull those, twist them off,
pull them off, and put a new one in.
[28:40] And that's all there is to it.
[28:41] And that's the ones where you can regulate
it remotely?
[28:44] Yes.
[28:44] Okay, I got it now.
[28:47] And you can retrofit that on the existing
LEDs that have already been installed?
[28:51] Yes, sir.
[28:51] Okay.
[28:52] It works with the— and I don't know if
everybody knows or not,
[28:55] but there's a what they call a 7-pin
socket on top,
[28:58] and it just goes on and twists in. It's
almost It's like a plug.
[29:01] It's a standard that streetlights have.
[29:03] Okay. If I could ask you a question about,
uh, you said that it, it,
[29:08] those photocells, um, they,
[29:10] they obtain a whole lot of information or
provide a whole lot of information.
[29:16] Like that makes me think of license plate
readers. I mean, what kind of—
[29:21] There's zero readers.
[29:23] This is nothing but internal sensors for
like voltage, voltage drop.
[29:27] What power usage. It's all with the
fixtures.
[29:30] There's zero sensors on the outside of
there.
[29:33] It won't give me anything on traffic or
anything like that. It's not a camera.
[29:39] This is all for the readings of the
electricity going through it is all it
[29:44] electricity going through it is all it
really
[29:44] is.
[29:44] Where are they made? Are they made in
China, perhaps?
[29:49] So we right now, we've got 2 manufacturers
that we are currently accepting.
[29:55] One of them that is our majority using is
Ubiqui,
[29:58] and they're actually a Canadian product.
And the other one is Signify.
[30:04] Peachtree is where they get sold out of.
Peachtree, Georgia.
[30:09] Okay.
[30:10] That's where the sales facility is.
[30:12] I'm not sure exactly where they're getting
made out of.
[30:15] I apologize, but I know Ubiqui, which is
the big one that we use,
[30:19] is And did you tell me that once, once you
got them all in and we decide, hey,
[30:25] there's a couple of streets that have got
some dark areas, we can, we can add,
[30:30] add lighting? Or if we got streets that
are lit up too much,
[30:35] we can either take down the lighting or we
can remove it or either turn it down?
[30:40] Yes, sir.
[30:41] At any time, if y'all want to make
changes, even after this, Um, there's a,
[30:46] an email, neslighting@nespower.com,
[30:48] and you just give us a letter saying what
you want,
[30:52] whether you want a new light on a new pole
or take down a light or even dim until we
[30:57] get— are able to hand over the, um,
[31:00] the software to where you could do it on
your own.
[31:03] And then we could dim, we can take down,
remove, add,
[31:07] whatever you wanted to do there. Shield is
another option.
[31:12] Shield?
[31:12] Shield, yes.
[31:14] Tell me about that.
[31:15] Okay, so there's shields that actually
clamp onto these or bolt into the
[31:19] clamp onto these or bolt into the
fixtures.
[31:20] Like I said, these are already dark sky,
so there's no uplighting to them.
[31:25] But we've had some cases to where there's
some light issues,
[31:29] and you can actually get—
[31:30] it looks like a little baffle on the
inside of that light that kind of keeps
[31:36] inside of that light that kind of keeps
the
[31:36] light from throwing out as far, depending
on how you want it. So there are options.
[31:41] So I would recommend that if you do have a
customer complaining about the
[31:46] streetlight, get with us.
[31:48] We can see what we can do,
[31:49] whether it's dimming or shielding or
whatever we need to do.
[31:53] Thank you, sir. And how long would it take
for you to do the conversion?
[31:58] You have And I just said it. You have
right at 500 lights.
[32:03] Um, I would be surprised if it took more
than 3 weeks to change out all
[32:10] these lights.
[32:12] Wow.
[32:12] Okay.
[32:14] Uh, I know some residents have
streetlights in their yard that they pay
[32:17] streetlights in their yard that they pay
for
[32:17] privately.
[32:18] Yes.
[32:18] How would those be adjusted, or they would
have to contact NES?
[32:24] They would contact us. Those are in our
rental light or private light program.
[32:29] Um, the same group of people who actually
do that, they would contact one of us,
[32:34] but it is a totally separate program and
they would have to request it to be LED.
[32:39] Would it change the amount they have to
pay over time?
[32:42] There is a, uh, a little bit of a cost
upfront for us to do our side of,
[32:46] of changing it out and everything.
[32:48] And then depending on what fixture they go
to,
[32:51] that's where they would change the cost
monthly.
[32:54] If you have any residents who again want
information on this,
[32:57] they can reach out to
neslighting@nespower.com or to customer
[33:01] neslighting@nespower.com or to customer
service,
[33:01] and they can write an order, and one of us
would actually contact them.
[33:06] This may be more directed to the city
officials, but if somebody wants—
[33:11] I can see a problem with somebody wants to
put a street,
[33:15] a private streetlight on their yard, which
will be, you know, reflecting on others.
[33:21] Do they have to go to get—
[33:23] do we have any regulation about whether
people can do that in Oak Hill?
[33:28] I don't think we have a— we just have dark
sky.
[33:33] We have the dark sky.
[33:33] We have dark sky. They're not allowed to
just let their light bleed over into other
[33:38] properties.
[33:39] But NES wouldn't know that necessarily if
somebody requested a light.
[33:43] Well, if they did and we got a call on it,
[33:46] they'd have to call NES to come out and
adjust it.
[33:48] Yeah, yeah, but we— I thought we covered
all the way,
[33:53] the height of the pole and the— right,
[33:56] and the foot candles that go here and
there.
[33:59] And I don't think— I don't think we—
[34:01] I don't even think we had that discussion
about NES-purchased security lighting.
[34:07] I don't think we ever had that discussion.
[34:10] That's probably the next You know, and
they probably need a permit for that.
[34:15] Yeah, yeah, we need to have a permit on
that. Somebody's got to get one.
[34:20] That kind of escaped us because we were
looking for the forest instead of the
[34:26] looking for the forest instead of the
trees.
[34:26] Yeah, we were just looking for different
trees.
[34:31] Yeah.
[34:31] Looking for the sport courts.
[34:33] Okay, the one thing I do want to caution
is Um, like I said,
[34:37] they're going to start with Forest Hills,
uh, the week of Labor Day.
[34:42] Um, once they are done with that,
[34:45] we don't currently have another city for
them to go, uh, work on.
[34:50] So the contractors will, will go away and,
uh,
[34:53] trying to get them back would be
difficult.
[34:56] It's kind of, this is kind of what we're
leading up to is trying to get them in
[35:02] leading up to is trying to get them in
line
[35:02] that way after Forest Hills.
[35:05] Okay.
[35:05] Hills gets done, if City Oak Hills says
yes, do it,
[35:07] we can get them right in line with the
contractors.
[35:10] That way we can keep them busy before they
just disband.
[35:12] We got a meeting next Tuesday, don't we?
[35:16] And we'll have numbers that we can look at
and agreement and all that.
[35:20] Yeah, we can get some numbers from you
guys.
[35:22] Just email me with what numbers you want
and I can, I can run it.
[35:25] Okay, thank you.
[35:28] Thank you.
[35:28] No problem.
[35:28] I apologize for the mix-up.
[35:30] That's no problem.
[35:31] It was my— it was my fault. It's on me.
[35:35] Sorry.
[35:35] No problem.
[35:36] Thank you very much for coming.
[35:37] Thank you.
[35:38] Appreciate you coming.
[35:39] Thank you.
[35:39] Thank you.
[35:39] Good deal.
[35:41] Okay.
[35:43] Thank you.
[35:53] Meeting coordinator does not— does not
meet expectations.
[35:59] Actually, I thought they were coming next
week. Okay, that's okay.
[36:05] But now this is probably— we're glad,
[36:08] I'm glad that we waited because I thought
that NES was going to do this.
[36:15] So because they're doing it other places,
so this is good.
[36:20] Okay. All right. All right.
[36:22] So we'll be on the agenda for Next
Tuesday.
[36:25] Okay. All right. So that leaves us now
going back to lessons learned
[36:32] from Winter Storm Fern.
[36:34] That could be a— what do they call it in
songs where there's the
[36:41] refrain or something that comes after the
main line?
[36:48] Lessons learned from Winter Storm It's got
a good ring to it, doesn't it?
[36:54] Yeah, a little rhyme.
[36:56] Pretty catchy.
[36:58] So you want to say anything about Fern
before I go in?
[37:02] You want to say anything about—
[37:04] Yeah, yes. I see this as something that we
really need to do.
[37:09] I think that what we experienced in
Oklahoma Hill is—
[37:13] probably was experienced by other cities
as well.
[37:17] But, you know, to me there's one part and
that is, you know,
[37:22] the actual physical work that was going on
and the coordination of that,
[37:28] all of which I think once NES got here,
once they had enough people working,
[37:34] you know, I think that went really well.
But that's really on them.
[37:39] There's There's nothing we can do about
that.
[37:42] And they have— they did, as I think I've
reported before, we had a meeting,
[37:48] Steve and I had a meeting with the CEO and
in-house counsel and so forth a few weeks
[37:55] ago, where they told us that they have
really upped their game on all these
[38:01] different areas, and it sounded good.
[38:04] So, but, you know, what we could do, you
know, Steve was On top of,
[38:09] and that was basically finding out where
the difficult areas were and keeping NES
[38:15] informed of that, their scouts or whatever
they were sending out.
[38:21] The other part of it is communicating with
the residents.
[38:25] And that was— that really came home to me
as an issue that needs to be addressed.
[38:31] Yes. Yes.
[38:32] Because, you know, we were absolutely
hamstrung as far as trying to do much
[38:38] communicating. You know, I think I've
described to you all before,
[38:43] but during that time, you know,
[38:45] I'm stuck up on a hill with a car that
won't go down without sliding down into
[38:50] won't go down without sliding down into
the
[38:51] street and with No power, no heat,
[38:53] and only my cell phone to use as any kind
of communications.
[38:57] And I can't send out mass emails from
that, or at least I don't know how to.
[39:03] Somebody can probably tell me. But I
didn't know how to do that.
[39:07] And also, it was just a question of power.
[39:10] I used up an an entire tank of gasoline in
my car,
[39:14] sitting out there running the car and slow
charging my phone. So we had that.
[39:20] In addition, the city's offices were
closed because it had no heat and no
[39:25] closed because it had no heat and no
power.
[39:25] And the city— Desiree and Steve were using
their laptops,
[39:29] working from home or working from the car
or wherever you all were trying to
[39:35] communicate. And, you know, finally— and
then I started seeing messages.
[39:40] I could see Facebook or Nextdoor, I can't
remember what it was, on my phone.
[39:45] And I could see that the residents, some
residents, not a lot, but a few,
[39:51] were starting to raise all these questions
about, well,
[39:55] why aren't we hearing from Oak Hill?
[39:57] Why didn't we— why aren't they telling us
what's going on?
[40:01] Why aren't they telling us this?
[40:04] And of course, most Most of the answer to
that is because we didn't know,
[40:09] because NES was not telling anything
either at that point.
[40:13] And they held all the cards.
[40:15] But, you know, apparently Forest Hills was
able to get out messages widespread
[40:21] across their city, and as was Belle Meade,
[40:24] or at least that's what people were
saying.
[40:27] They were comparing my lack of
communication to the mayors of those other
[40:32] communication to the mayors of those other
2 cities.
[40:33] And I think that's a good point. And how
they did that, I don't know.
[40:38] I think it's something we ought to find
out.
[40:41] How did they manage to communicate during
that time?
[40:44] I assume— well, I don't know, I can't
assume.
[40:48] I don't know whether Belle Meade City Hall
was out.
[40:51] I don't know whether Forest Hills City
Hall was out.
[40:55] Well, we don't know. And that's part of
the, I think, our lessons learned.
[41:03] And if you want, Let me just go through
what I want to talk about,
[41:10] but I'm not here to cast aspersions on
anybody,
[41:14] especially myself or others.
[41:17] But I do want to point out some,
[41:21] some hard truths that we need to think
about.
[41:25] Well, you may— let me just finish. I can
put a hard truth on this.
[41:30] The hard truth to me was that And I don't
know why I didn't know this.
[41:34] People do expect to hear from city
leadership, right, in the—
[41:38] in case of an emergency and on a regular
basis. And that was— that's my fault.
[41:43] But except— except I don't know, have
smoke signals or something.
[41:47] But we were— a lot of fires.
[41:49] Could I ask a question?
[41:50] Yes.
[41:51] Is there a mayor's meeting of all the
satellite cities?
[41:57] No, there's not.
[41:59] But don't you think that might be a good
idea where you can discuss things like
[42:04] this?
[42:04] Could be, sure, could be. I mean, there
are mayor's meetings.
[42:08] There's a new, a new group that is formed
of mayors, all mayors, and I don't know,
[42:13] county executives too, in that Middle
Tennessee Mayors organization.
[42:18] Middle Tennessee Mayors, that's new,
[42:20] and I'm not sure I'm not sure exactly what
the genesis for that was.
[42:25] And then there's another group that meets
with the GNRC.
[42:28] GNRC.
[42:29] Yeah, GNRC. And that's statewide. But
anyway, yeah, that's a great idea.
[42:35] The problem with some of these
organizations is that what really concerns
[42:41] them are things that we don't have.
[42:44] Police departments, large employee staffs.
[42:48] Right.
[42:48] And road crews and stuff like that. And we
are more narrowly focused in what we do.
[42:53] But communicating with citizens,
important.
[42:55] And we've got to come up with— make sure
we've got a way to do that.
[43:00] So yeah, we need to inquire from those
other cities.
[43:03] So what I've given you is really just
thought-provoking questions.
[43:08] That is basically homework,
[43:10] because I don't think we can really start
doing a deep dive on this.
[43:16] And I know Joy and Scott are going to feel
like they're going to miss out on
[43:22] something by not being at the next
workshop.
[43:25] But we do need to get the new people in to
have this discussion and bring them in on
[43:32] the ground floor. And certainly, if you
guys would—
[43:36] if you have any ideas that you want to
Send to us by going over this list,
[43:42] I certainly would like for you to do that.
[43:46] But I don't— I'm not looking for answers
to these questions specifically.
[43:52] I'm looking at how to convert these
questions into actionable results.
[43:58] What— how are we going to meet these
challenges that we have?
[44:02] And as the mayor mentioned,
[44:05] and I'm going to go right down to number
Number 3 on my list is staffing and
[44:11] communications, and mostly communication.
That's where we suffered the most.
[44:17] We didn't have good communications even
with each other or with the service
[44:23] providers. We didn't have good contacts
with those people that we're now
[44:29] with those people that we're now
developing,
[44:30] as the mayor alluded to. And we didn't
have power.
[44:34] Once you run out of cell service and your
cell goes out and you don't have a charger
[44:41] that you can charge it up, you're left
dead in the water.
[44:45] And that happened to, I think, everybody
in this room,
[44:50] except maybe people that were— that went
out to Florida or someplace.
[44:57] place.
[44:57] But the things that we need to be thinking
about is how we're going to do this
[45:04] differently the next storm that comes
along.
[45:07] And it may be a flood before we get to the
ice storm season.
[45:12] And so our biggest challenge is to
recognize that we've got a lot of
[45:17] recognize that we've got a lot of
preparedness to
[45:19] do to think about how we're going to have
some communication devices that we can
[45:25] assign to certain people like me, like
Desiree, like the mayor,
[45:30] and maybe one other commissioner that's on
the other side of town,
[45:36] that when we see a storm coming and we
start seeing these OEM alerts that we've
[45:42] start seeing these OEM alerts that we've
got
[45:42] weather alerts coming, that We assign
these—
[45:46] this equipment to people and that they're
ready to start, you know, communicating.
[45:53] And with a satellite phone,
[45:55] you can tie your laptop into it and it can
connect to Starlink and you can have
[46:01] Wi-Fi through a satellite phone. Now,
we've got to work through that.
[46:07] I'm just throwing this out for discussion
for right now.
[46:11] Okay.
[46:13] Just information about things that need to
be discussed and looked at.
[46:20] You know, there's ways that we can have
portable solar fields,
[46:25] solar devices that can bring in power to
power your cell phone or power your
[46:33] satellite phones or whatever.
[46:35] But that's— I think that's one of our
biggest keys is our communication
[46:42] because all we really— all that people
wanted from us is what's happening,
[46:49] when is NES going to be on my street,
[46:53] and is the road clear enough that I can
get out?
[46:57] And we couldn't even tell them that. You
know, we couldn't—
[47:03] Right.
[47:03] We couldn't send anything out.
[47:05] They didn't have Wi-Fi service or even
electricity at home.
[47:10] If they were working off their phone, we
may not have had their email address.
[47:15] That's why we have kind of made this push
that when anybody comes in here and does
[47:21] a— does an account, that we tell them we
need your email address or your cell
[47:27] need your email address or your cell
number
[47:27] so we can send you messages. And we send
that out in the newsletter.
[47:32] Please sign up and give us your permission
to use your email address because we
[47:38] can't communicate with but only half of
the people in Oak Hill.
[47:42] We've got— what do we got, 1,000 email
addresses? About?
[47:46] Probably about 1,300.
[47:50] How many?
[47:52] 1,300.
[47:52] About 1,300? We need about 7,000, you
know,
[47:55] we need households of about 2,000 email
addresses or cell numbers.
[48:00] But we're working on that. We're trying to
be prepared for that.
[48:05] So that's a big challenge, is we can
communicate to those people we have emails
[48:10] communicate to those people we have emails
for,
[48:11] but the rest of them we don't.
[48:13] So we're hoping that, you know,
[48:15] people are checking with their neighbors
to see if they're communicating with us.
[48:21] The greatest thing that we need to think
about is of all these things we're going
[48:27] about is of all these things we're going
to
[48:27] be talking about is what is the one thing
that we could change that would have the
[48:33] greatest impact on our response to the
next winter storm?
[48:37] The thing that's going to have the
greatest impact.
[48:40] And I would say better communications
within our group Within our commissioners,
[48:46] within our staff. You know,
[48:48] we can get a bank of 2-way radios and pass
them out and have them charged up,
[48:53] teach everybody how to use them. We can
have 6 or 8 satellite phones.
[48:58] We'll keep them here, keep them charged
up,
[49:01] make sure everybody knows how to use them.
[49:04] Have some rugged laptops that can tie into
that satellite phone and be able to use
[49:10] it. So that you can communicate, you can
get emails back and forth.
[49:15] The other thing is we need some— we need
to think about a remote— I mean,
[49:20] this room right here could be the command
center.
[49:24] You know, we could set up a command
center.
[49:27] We've got screens, we've got electricity,
but what if electricity goes down here?
[49:33] We've got a generator.
[49:34] We probably needed a generator to be able
to run, you know, 10, 12 hours at a time.
[49:40] I don't know if we would keep it up 24/7,
but for the first, I would say, 5,
[49:46] 6 days of that storm, we probably needed a
command center.
[49:50] The command center was me in my truck
sitting over there in the McDonald's
[49:55] sitting over there in the McDonald's
parking
[49:56] lot stealing their Wi-Fi.
[49:57] You know, I mean, that's how I got in
touch with most of you, most of you folks.
[50:03] And I luckily, I had my cell phone and the
city cell phone,
[50:07] so I traded off keeping them charged up.
[50:10] So, you know, there's,
[50:12] there's things we've got to put some funds
toward getting some of this,
[50:17] these devices that we can have available
to us,
[50:20] and we have to run practice sessions.
[50:23] You know, once a quarter we go through, we
go in, open the locker,
[50:28] pass out all the phones, send everybody
home.
[50:31] We have a test call and you make sure you
can use all your equipment and bring them
[50:37] back the next day. But those are— that's
how you get prepared.
[50:41] You can't wait till the storm happens and
your light goes out to say, dang,
[50:46] who do I need to call? David DeMarco. I
can't get him. He's not answering his
[50:52] can't get him. He's not answering his
phone.
[50:52] The reason he's not answering his phone,
[50:55] he don't have any electricity down there
and his phone's dead and it's going right
[51:01] to his voicemail and you won't get him
till, you know, the weekend. Yes, ma'am.
[51:07] Do you have any idea as to the cost of
this?
[51:10] Yeah, I'm working on that. I've, I've
gotten several different costs for
[51:15] gotten several different costs for
everything.
[51:16] I mean, right now, if we— if I went out
and got the thing, the,
[51:21] the bare minimum things that we needed,
it'd run $20,000 to $30,000.
[51:26] If we get a little more robust from that,
we may get up to $40,000 or $50,000.
[51:32] But that's kind of a one-time cost.
[51:35] But then you have recurring costs of you
have to have a subscription to Starlink or
[51:41] one of the other companies that We do
that.
[51:45] But I would say, looking back on it,
[51:48] if we'd had all that equipment and we
could have communicated with people and
[51:53] could have communicated with people and
been
[51:54] able to talk to NES a little bit better
and coordinate and coordinate with each
[52:00] other so that you all can coordinate with
your constituents and your neighborhoods,
[52:06] you'd say that was well worth that
$50,000.
[52:10] Because—
[52:12] You know, disasters are going to happen.
[52:16] I went back all the way to 1997, and
there's disasters that hit Tennessee.
[52:22] And not that we're the new disaster zone,
[52:25] but you think about all that's happened
since 2010. 2010 was a major disaster.
[52:32] That hurricane, Hurricane Ella, or
whatever it was, it hit East Tennessee.
[52:38] It could have easily been Middle
Tennessee.
[52:42] This winter storm, we're likely to have
another winter storm,
[52:47] but I'm thinking we're likely to have a
flood before we have a winter storm.
[52:54] And that's just the nature of things.
Mother Nature is not playing around.
[53:00] She's going to— she's going to drop in
some disasters here,
[53:05] and we just need to be ready. And we need
to know what our appetite is.
[53:11] The appetite is to not only buy the
equipment, learn to use it,
[53:16] but also take the responsibility to be the
one that takes that device home and uses
[53:23] it and is— and you're willing to be a
contact.
[53:27] Otherwise, we'll need to solicit for some
volunteers to do that.
[53:32] Or we go out and talk to some security
companies that provide security people
[53:39] companies that provide security people
that
[53:39] know how to work in disasters.
[53:42] And when those things happen,
[53:44] we call them in and we add a few more
people to our staff for a few days or a
[53:51] people to our staff for a few days or a
week.
[53:51] I think the immediate community response
Communication and the immediate response
[53:58] that we have as a, as a,
[54:00] as a board is to communicate with people
right away when it happens.
[54:06] Yeah.
[54:07] I know your electricity is out. We know
what the outages are.
[54:12] We don't know what the result's going to
be on getting it back on,
[54:18] but we do know that NES is on site. NES is
responding to us very, very well.
[54:24] For instance, we had a utility pole in a
lady's backyard from the storm just last
[54:31] week. She called in and said, there's
still a utility pole in my backyard.
[54:37] It doesn't belong to me.
[54:39] So I called Antonio, texted him, and And
said, I hope you're not too busy,
[54:45] but could you go to such and such Franklin
Pike and look at that utility pole and
[54:52] see if somebody can pick it up? It was
picked up that afternoon.
[54:57] Oh, wow.
[54:58] So they're responsive.
[54:59] They may not be responsive like that every
time, but if they are sometimes,
[55:05] that is a huge improvement from what we've
had.
[55:09] If we were sitting here a year ago and
asking about how to contact Yes.
[55:14] If we had a storm and, and we needed
things picked up out of the street or
[55:20] things picked up out of the street or
whatever,
[55:20] we didn't know. We weren't prepared.
[55:23] That's why it's important to make these
preparations.
[55:27] I have numerous, numerous documents that
I've been working on since the storm,
[55:33] and I just didn't have the heart to put it
all out to you because I don't think we
[55:40] have time to get into it.
[55:42] I think we need to start doing this at the
workshop with the new people.
[55:47] And first thing I'm going to do is bring
you a cost of the equipment that we have
[55:53] you a cost of the equipment that we have
so
[55:54] we can go ahead and get some communication
equipment that we can use,
[55:59] start learning how to use it.
[56:01] And then things like I've developed this
This sheet of Davidson County Nashville
[56:07] Emergency Coordination Contact Directory.
[56:10] This is everybody that I could think of
that anybody might want to call that could
[56:17] go on our website and could go out in a
pamphlet. We can mail it to all the homes.
[56:23] And, um, so that's another thing that's
good for disasters.
[56:28] Hmm.
[56:29] But it's going to take a lot of work.
[56:32] And, um, so Winston, you may be called in
to be our, uh, our, uh,
[56:37] our committee member to work on this. So
that's right, because you are—
[56:43] you have to do that within 2 years.
[56:45] You have tree ordinances, now we have
fence ordinances, now we've got—
[56:49] well, you, you're our, you're our best
volunteer.
[56:52] And listen, and you're, and you're still
here.
[56:56] Mr. Price. Steve, so are you going to say
something?
[57:01] Yeah, my parting advice— don't disagree
with the things Steve has said.
[57:09] My perception is whatever perceived
shortcomings you may feel as far as
[57:16] communication that you may be genuinely
and correctly concerned about have
[57:23] been vastly overwhelmed by how well you
handled the cleanup.
[57:29] That's what people will remember 5 years
from now, is not,
[57:35] I couldn't get in touch with Dale, I
didn't hear from Steve.
[57:42] They will remember how well The city got
things cleaned up.
[57:48] Well, at least 1,000 people were able to
get in touch with him because that's
[57:53] how many votes he won. He got 1,000 votes.
[57:56] So the other 1,000 didn't vote for you.
[57:59] Well, so, so I don't know if it was Moses
or my father,
[58:04] but poverty annihilates the future.
[58:07] Thank heaven that you all and some of our
predecessors have been sound fiscal
[58:14] responsible public servants.
[58:17] And we had the resources available to pay
for the cleanup instead of, as you said,
[58:24] we'd all be out on a volunteer crew this
afternoon.
[58:29] And so to me, that's not that the
communication The communications part is
[58:36] significant and worth pursuing and
thinking hard about,
[58:41] but the continued sound fiscal management
of this city's resources is what I would
[58:48] urge you to also give continued devoted
attention to.
[58:53] Somalia, with $813 nominal per capita GDP,
Their future's annihilated.
[58:59] They can't respond to famine. They can't
respond to a windstorm.
[59:05] They haven't got any money saved as a
people.
[59:09] And so that's why it's so important in my
mind for this city to continue to be
[59:17] thrifty and industrious as you have been.
I'm complimenting you all.
[59:23] Roger.
[59:24] That to me, having that ability To clean
up,
[59:28] to pay for the Gulf crew to come in and do
the cleanup.
[59:33] 5 years from now, go door to door, might
find 1 in 1,000 who says, well,
[59:39] I tried calling Mayor Grimes, we couldn't
get him.
[59:44] But 99 out of 100 are going to say, man,
that cleanup was amazing,
[59:49] because that was a A storm of
unprecedented magnitude in my lifetime,
[59:55] my 43 years in Oak Cliff.
[59:58] Nothing—
[59:58] not been anything like it.
[1:00:01] And so the city responded,
[1:00:03] and you deserve great credit for
coordinating with Metro and MOU and all
[1:00:10] coordinating with Metro and MOU and all
that.
[1:00:11] Everybody did. I just—
[1:00:13] I say, you know, so whoever complained, I
would just remind them.
[1:00:17] Thank you.
[1:00:18] Be thankful that we were able to get the
cleanup done.
[1:00:22] And I, in, in the last week of having
people complain about the heat, I said,
[1:00:28] hey, remember the ice storm?
[1:00:30] Yeah, right.
[1:00:31] That was this year. And you, but you
don't, driving around, there's no trees.
[1:00:39] Yeah, I know, somebody's backyard.
[1:00:41] But I mean, the city's cleaned up.
[1:00:45] I mean, I mean, Northfleet and Lakeview
does not even look the same now.
[1:00:50] I mean, you can't even tell that they've—
[1:00:53] the curve at the ends of Granny White,
remember that picture?
[1:00:57] I mean, that was a genuine disaster. You
can't tell it.
[1:01:01] You can't tell what the thing happened.
[1:01:04] So I just say, you know, now my dad did
say this, save for a rainy night.
[1:01:10] Save for a rainy decade. Save for a rainy
decade.
[1:01:14] And guess what?
[1:01:17] The 1951 ice storm was worse. It had
another inch of ice on it.
[1:01:22] Well—
[1:01:26] It can happen.
[1:01:27] Yeah.
[1:01:29] Well—
[1:01:30] Yeah, I think 2 things I would say, Steve,
[1:01:33] is that I think one is I know that my
predecessor as mayor always seemed to have
[1:01:40] predecessor as mayor always seemed to have
a
[1:01:40] phone number so that she could contact
NES,
[1:01:43] like during the Dereco and things like
that. And I never got that.
[1:01:49] And I always figured, well, you know,
there's some secret, you know,
[1:01:55] way to get in touch with these people that
only the elect few get to find out.
[1:02:01] Yeah.
[1:02:02] But I mean, I think we've got to have
those people.
[1:02:05] So now, you know, Alonzo has turned out to
be great.
[1:02:08] And y'all are not going to believe this. I
don't think I've already said this.
[1:02:13] Maybe I have. NES did not have a
communications person until after the
[1:02:17] communications person until after the
storm.
[1:02:18] They hired somebody in charge to be in
charge of communications. That's
[1:02:22] charge of communications. That's
astounding.
[1:02:22] Yeah.
[1:02:23] I think. And so, but you know, we've got
that.
[1:02:25] But, you know, we need— and you probably
have it on your list—
[1:02:29] the same thing for Metro Water.
[1:02:31] Right.
[1:02:31] That's right.
[1:02:32] The same thing for Piedmont, you know,
whoever else is in.
[1:02:37] And so that's the first thing.
[1:02:39] Second thing is that I think it's
important for city staff and city
[1:02:45] important for city staff and city
employees to
[1:02:46] realize that the commissioners need to
know when there's something like that
[1:02:52] know when there's something like that
going
[1:02:53] on.
[1:02:53] Right.
[1:02:53] In other words, don't feel like it's on
your shoulders to do everything and you
[1:02:58] don't have to, because people,
[1:03:00] the citizens frequently will turn to us
and hold us accountable for giving the
[1:03:05] and hold us accountable for giving the
kind
[1:03:05] of information that they're looking for
before they'll try to contact you.
[1:03:10] So I think that's very important too. And,
you know, that probably fits in.
[1:03:15] And then the third thing is there are
other types of disasters that we need to
[1:03:20] other types of disasters that we need to
be
[1:03:20] prepared for. I mean, such as, you know,
what if there was a— God forbid—
[1:03:25] an active shooter situation in Oak Hill?
[1:03:27] Now, Metro Police would handle it, but
people are going to be looking to us to
[1:03:32] people are going to be looking to us to
say,
[1:03:32] well, what do you— what's going on? What
do you know? And that kind of thing.
[1:03:39] And—
[1:03:39] Yeah.
[1:03:40] There's more than floods and ice that
we've got to be thinking about.
[1:03:46] I guess the thing that I think that one of
the things that one of our biggest
[1:03:53] challenges is kind of leading off from
your discussion is that I think that we
[1:03:59] your discussion is that I think that we
can
[1:04:00] get the communication gear, we can do the
training,
[1:04:04] but I think we have to have a different
mindset of what everybody's role is going
[1:04:11] mindset of what everybody's role is going
to
[1:04:11] be during a disaster.
[1:04:13] Now, granted, when people have family at
home and their power goes down,
[1:04:19] their water stops coming in, their pipes
are frozen, their driveway is blocked,
[1:04:26] you're kind of stuck. Your responsibility
is to your family right there.
[1:04:32] Your responsibility may,
[1:04:34] may end at your front door because You
can't get out of your front door.
[1:04:41] But is the mindset going to be,
[1:04:43] if we are asking you to be part of this
crisis action team,
[1:04:48] are you still going to be able to devote
to that during those crisis times?
[1:04:55] And I think that's a, that's a, that's a
question only each person can answer.
[1:05:02] So I would say You know, in my position, I
feel my— it's my— I'm hired to do this.
[1:05:09] That's my responsibility.
[1:05:11] That's what you all pay me for, is to go
get in the car, drive around,
[1:05:17] find out what's going on, and be on slick
highways, talk to the crews.
[1:05:23] But Do elected officials feel like that
that's your responsibility?
[1:05:29] Or is your responsibility taking care of
you and your own?
[1:05:34] So I think there's a mindset that needs
to, you know, a paradigm shift, if you
[1:05:40] to, you know, a paradigm shift, if you
will.
[1:05:41] How deep are we going to get into this?
[1:05:44] Yes, ma'am.
[1:05:45] Because if there's a limit there,
[1:05:47] we need to look at other ways to during
those times of crisis,
[1:05:52] have people that can be either contracted
or hired to step in,
[1:05:57] to step in the breach, to take care of
some of those things.
[1:06:01] And I think that's a, that's a huge,
that's a huge step to take for,
[1:06:06] for a small organization like ours.
[1:06:08] Because, you know, just here in the
office, we run out of people real fast.
[1:06:14] Mm-hmm.
[1:06:15] And the thing that I thought about That I
should have done with our intrepid Ms.
[1:06:21] Lohr is we should have moved her to the
embassy suite and set her up where they
[1:06:27] embassy suite and set her up where they
had
[1:06:27] heat and electricity and Wi-Fi so that she
could be communicating with everybody.
[1:06:33] And she was doing the same thing you were,
Dale.
[1:06:37] She'd get Wi-Fi and electricity or power
for 20 minutes and she'd work real hard 20
[1:06:43] minutes and it'd go off, and then she'd be
incommunicado.
[1:06:48] But she could have waffles.
[1:06:49] Yeah, that's right. She could have had
waffles. Same thing with the mayor.
[1:06:54] You know, mayor, maybe we should have
transported you to the Embassy Suites
[1:06:59] transported you to the Embassy Suites
there,
[1:07:00] and so you can communicate with people.
You'd have Wi-Fi.
[1:07:04] You can still be talking to people.
[1:07:06] And I think— and I'm talking about first,
you know,
[1:07:10] few hours of the disaster after we find
out we can get you out and get you moved.
[1:07:15] But that is not necessarily to make you
comfortable or make her comfortable.
[1:07:21] It's to put them in a place they can
actually work and be productive.
[1:07:25] Yeah, you know, Commissioner O'Dell's
house is centrally located and
[1:07:30] she has a backup generator that runs off
gas and automatically turns
[1:07:34] on.
[1:07:34] That's right. I had forgotten about that.
It would be.
[1:07:37] And, and, uh, you don't have to go up a
hill to get to her driveway.
[1:07:42] That's right.
[1:07:43] You can just slide on in.
[1:07:45] You could slide into her house.
[1:07:46] Now, if it's a flood, you might be— you
might not be able to get across the
[1:07:49] might not be able to get across the
bridge,
[1:07:49] the footbridge.
[1:07:50] Yeah, that's right.
[1:07:51] But anyway, I think that, um, I need to
get a little more concise about where—
[1:07:57] what we start with and what we talk about,
and we'll do that at the next workshop.
[1:08:03] And we can have that at— we can do that at
Joy's house.
[1:08:07] We can do the next workshop there. Come on
over.
[1:08:10] So my discussion on the lessons learned is
just that,
[1:08:14] unless you want to take it any further
than that. That's all I've got.
[1:08:19] And I've got more documents I want to send
you all to review and look at.
[1:08:28] Just one point on that.
[1:08:30] About 10 years ago, I went with the
Harpeth Valley folks over to a facility
[1:08:35] Harpeth Valley folks over to a facility
that
[1:08:36] Williamson County has built,
[1:08:38] and I think it serves as a regional
emergency command center.
[1:08:42] It can withstand 180-mile-an-hour wind,
[1:08:45] and it's got a whole wall of
communications equipment.
[1:08:49] And I don't know how that works.
[1:08:52] Or if it relates to other governmental
entities or if TEMA has something similar.
[1:08:58] But that's— if you've not seen that
facility, it's worth talking to them
[1:09:03] facility, it's worth talking to them
about.
[1:09:03] And if there's some other—
[1:09:05] either that or some other place that local
governments could sort of dial into or
[1:09:11] connect with, that could be a facility
that could be of some help.
[1:09:16] Yeah.
[1:09:21] Yeah, okay. Well, Steve, I think this is a
great start,
[1:09:25] and I'm glad to see that you're—
[1:09:28] you've obviously been working on this and
thinking about it.
[1:09:32] And I just raised it with Steve a few
weeks, couple of weeks ago, I guess,
[1:09:37] just to say, and this is something I don't
want us to lose sight of,
[1:09:42] is we really need to do some sort of an
after-action report.
[1:09:46] But, and, and That's sort of what this is.
[1:09:49] And I think what this is, is going in the
right direction, namely,
[1:09:54] what are we going to do? What are we going
to do next time?
[1:09:59] And what, what do we need to build here as
a— so there's a lot to think about. Yeah.
[1:10:05] And we just need to get it put together.
So thank you.
[1:10:08] What do you want us to do with, with this?
You— is this literally homework?
[1:10:14] Would you like to—
[1:10:15] Yeah, it's literally homework.
[1:10:17] Just, uh, it's, it's to kind of jog your
memory about what happened during the
[1:10:21] memory about what happened during the
storm
[1:10:22] and make some notes on here so that when
we come back we can start going through
[1:10:26] these, these items and putting them on a
board and,
[1:10:29] and kind of putting a document together to
see where we want to go and the things we
[1:10:34] want to tackle. There may be ideas that we
hadn't thought of,
[1:10:37] and there may be ideas that we just don't
want to do.
[1:10:40] We just want to kind of keep it to the
basic.
[1:10:43] But we don't want to just— we, as my old
boss used to say,
[1:10:46] we don't want to try to kill this dragon
all at once.
[1:10:49] We've got to just kind of cut a toe off at
a time.
[1:10:52] Yeah.
[1:10:52] And that's— and I think that's where we
are.
[1:10:55] And I think, I think the first toe is just
thinking about preparing for the next one
[1:11:01] and How we're going to communicate,
[1:11:03] because I think that was the most
frustrating thing that happened.
[1:11:08] The big things like fire, police,
[1:11:10] and utilities were handled by people that
do those things. We don't do any of that.
[1:11:16] There's no reason for us to get in the way
of that.
[1:11:19] One thing that, uh, maybe is one of the
unsung heroes of This whole thing is
[1:11:25] Jonathan Cummings and his public works
crew because they were out salting streets
[1:11:30] and scraping roads, but they were also
cutting trees and getting people out of
[1:11:36] cutting trees and getting people out of
their
[1:11:36] driveway, helping get people out of their
homes into the ambulance.
[1:11:40] And anytime we called him, there was a
problem, he'd get somebody over there.
[1:11:46] In fact, they got down on North Fleet and
trees fell in behind them.
[1:11:50] They couldn't get out. And Oh my God.
[1:11:53] So, so we can't forget about those guys,
our public works contractor,
[1:11:58] because they are very key to this.
[1:12:00] Because police, fire,
[1:12:01] and utilities can't get into our streets
unless we clean them off.
[1:12:06] So that's very important that we continue
that.
[1:12:09] So, I mean, so there's, there's a lot to
be done. There's a lot to think about.
[1:12:15] There's a lot to do and there's a lot to
be ready for.
[1:12:18] And, you know, if we never have another
ice storm and we do all this preparation,
[1:12:24] you know, we're going to say, well, you
know, it was all for nothing.
[1:12:29] But when that thing happens and we're
prepared,
[1:12:32] I think we're all going to be glad we put
the work in ahead of time.
[1:12:37] And Joy and Marshall, you know,
[1:12:39] it would be worth seeing if The potential
for some kind of collaboration among the
[1:12:46] satellite cities. If somebody's already
done some work and thought,
[1:12:52] and like a place like Marshall's talking
about,
[1:12:56] it would be worth exploring to see what
the other satellite cities would be
[1:13:02] the other satellite cities would be
willing
[1:13:02] to do in collaboration.
[1:13:04] Well, I do have a good relationship with
both Jennifer and Mark Hill at Bellevue
[1:13:10] Bellevue, Belle Meade, and Forest Acres.
And we talk a lot.
[1:13:14] And of course, we're, we're all in that
City Managers Association.
[1:13:19] So there's a, there's a lot of resources,
and it's, it's a good group, and, and we,
[1:13:25] we communicate a lot.
[1:13:26] Now, we haven't brought the mayors into
that, into that circle,
[1:13:31] but there's nothing that says we can't.
[1:13:33] And I think it would—
[1:13:35] I think that would be the What should be
the whole of the group is the city
[1:13:40] the whole of the group is the city
managers
[1:13:41] and the mayors, or the city manager and
commissioners. Everybody.
[1:13:45] I mean, in those discussions, I think the
more is better.
[1:13:49] And then you get down to a working group
and then let that group do the hard work.
[1:13:55] Yeah.
[1:14:01] I mean, yeah, just to remind— if I've told
this story before,
[1:14:05] you can tell me to stop.
[1:14:07] But when we finally did get a
communication out,
[1:14:10] it was after NES sent out their first
email that we got that said basically what
[1:14:15] email that we got that said basically what
was
[1:14:15] going on. So this was like late in the
first week.
[1:14:19] Good grief.
[1:14:23] And the only way I could put that together
into a communication to send out to
[1:14:30] the residents was— Steve suggested this—
for me to dictate a text.
[1:14:36] Try doing that. Dictate a text. He said,
don't worry about punctuation.
[1:14:42] Just do it. Say what you want to say.
[1:14:45] And then he or Desiree typed it up somehow
or another from that text.
[1:14:51] And maybe ran it through Claude, and then
y'all were able to send it out.
[1:14:58] Yeah, we produced a really good document
from that.
[1:15:01] But it was torture getting to it.
[1:15:04] Yeah. But it was either that or just go
out back
[1:15:09] and send up a smoke signal.
[1:15:11] You know, that was next.
[1:15:18] Because I went to the office every day and
I could have—
[1:15:23] I had power at the office.
[1:15:25] I could have communicated all of this if I
wanted to.
[1:15:30] Well, and you know, I mean, that's part of
communications.
[1:15:34] When, you know, when something goes down,
[1:15:38] we need to have a central area call in and
do We'll do a check, you know, hey,
[1:15:44] I'm here, I've got power, I've got this,
I've got that.
[1:15:48] We'll have a checklist, and if you got
that,
[1:15:52] if you got ability to help and provide
services, then okay.
[1:15:56] Okay. I'm sorry, I'm
[1:16:01] losing my voice here.
[1:16:08] All right.
[1:16:09] Do we have anything else that we would
like to or need to—
[1:16:12] Let me, uh, I got a, I got a couple of
things.
[1:16:16] One is that, um, you all have been seeing
some communication from me and maybe from
[1:16:22] Dale also about the aircraft noise.
[1:16:24] We've been getting some, um, this is kind
of surfacing around again.
[1:16:30] People are seeing planes go over their
house, they're getting noise,
[1:16:35] and I put I put together a communication
and sent to the 2 people that asked about
[1:16:41] it, and I think I copied you all on it,
about how to contact BNA,
[1:16:46] how to contact the FAA,
[1:16:47] how to go to the meeting which is
happening right now at BNA, and where to
[1:16:53] happening right now at BNA, and where to
park,
[1:16:53] where they're located, all that
information.
[1:16:57] In fact, I had Patrick go to the meeting
today just to see if any of our citizens
[1:17:03] showed up and also to ask questions.
[1:17:05] And he, he provided a list of questions on
that form because in order to get in
[1:17:11] front of the board, you have to submit a
form ahead of time,
[1:17:16] and then they'll tell you if you're on the
agenda.
[1:17:20] And he got a note back that said, you're
not going to be on the agenda,
[1:17:25] we're already full, but you've got good
questions and we'll send Send you the
[1:17:31] answers back to that. So, so we're trying
to get into that loop.
[1:17:36] Also, Creve Hall has a neighborhood
committee that they've formed,
[1:17:40] and they've also hired an attorney, and
they are involved in that,
[1:17:45] and they're going to keep, keep me in the
loop about the things they're doing.
[1:17:51] And subsequently, I'll let you all know
how,
[1:17:55] how we get involved with that neighborhood
group.
[1:17:58] But folks, I want to tell you, I dealt
with the FAA for about 30 years, okay?
[1:18:04] And they have a big foot and you can't
step on their toe.
[1:18:08] And I'm gonna tell you, it's gonna be real
hard to do anything.
[1:18:13] Now, it doesn't mean you You don't take
the effort and fight the good fight,
[1:18:19] but FAA, if they've decided on what
they're going to do, they're going to do
[1:18:24] they're going to do, they're going to do
it.
[1:18:25] Well, I tell you, this whole effort is
like peeling an onion because it started
[1:18:29] like peeling an onion because it started
out
[1:18:29] with me getting a couple of emails from
some neighbors on Villa Crest,
[1:18:34] and I thought, okay, well, you know,
they're upset about noise up there.
[1:18:38] Well, you know, I get those same planes
right over my house.
[1:18:41] It is upsetting, but then it turned out
that Creve Hall already had this—
[1:18:45] their neighborhood association had hired a
lawyer and they were working on it.
[1:18:50] And then it seems like I saw some— oh, and
then there was a guy.
[1:18:54] Did you ever get the email from me from
the guy who had done the report?
[1:18:58] No, I never did get that. I got your
email, but I didn't get the report.
[1:19:02] The report wasn't attached.
[1:19:04] Okay, well anyway, somebody has done—
[1:19:07] somebody who's building a house on Villa
Crest It has been taking—
[1:19:12] getting information about flight paths and
wind and all these different things
[1:19:19] and has put it together.
[1:19:21] Did you get—
[1:19:21] did NASA send that to you?
[1:19:22] There was a reference to it. I think the
number of decibels of the noise was—
[1:19:27] Yeah, yeah.
[1:19:29] I'm not sure he had that in there, but it
was—
[1:19:31] Talked about 900 flights, had the data
Yeah, it was something like that.
[1:19:37] And it was, anyway, it was pretty
interesting.
[1:19:40] But, you know, they've got somebody who's
doing that.
[1:19:43] And then it seems like some of those
people were saying, well,
[1:19:47] we don't understand why Radnor's not
doing— why they're not upset about this.
[1:19:52] And then I mentioned that to our state
representative Hemmer the other day,
[1:19:57] and he said, well, that's because they've
done everything they can and they're not
[1:20:02] going to budge, which I think is just
crazy to be flying over a natural area.
[1:20:07] You know, I mean, that kind of destroys
the whole idea.
[1:20:10] Well, if you want to see where the planes
are going when they take off,
[1:20:16] when they land, you can go to FlightAware.
There's an app called FlightAware.
[1:20:21] I don't know if you ever use that, Joy,
when you travel.
[1:20:26] It's a really nice— it's showing a It's
showing a plane going right over Radnor
[1:20:32] showing a plane going right over Radnor
Lake
[1:20:32] right now. It just, it just, uh, just came
over, and it is Southwest Airlines 1644.
[1:20:38] Uh, it is at 274 miles an hour, and it's
at 5,400 feet. That's it. FlightAware.
[1:20:44] That's not very—
[1:20:46] but no, and I thought they were supposed
to change that so they were going up real
[1:20:49] fast, and then—
[1:20:51] but if you, uh, But if you go on their
website,
[1:20:56] you can get the information on the flight
data from the FAA.
[1:21:02] Now, they have a couple of maps that they
produced.
[1:21:07] And the last one was done in 2024.
[1:21:11] And they're about to produce the one in
2026.
[1:21:15] One in 2024.
[1:21:17] '24, I don't think very good information
unless you just want to look through what
[1:21:21] happened. But I think we're more concerned
about what's happening right now.
[1:21:25] Well, and this group, or at least these
people from Villa Crest,
[1:21:29] keep saying that there's a deadline.
[1:21:31] Was it September 4th or something like
that?
[1:21:34] I haven't been able to find what they're
talking about.
[1:21:37] What— it's a, it's a public comment
deadline.
[1:21:39] Yes, and it's, and it's keyed off of a
change that occurred on the 1st of July or
[1:21:45] something like that.
[1:21:46] And that you have to give— those dates are
probably wrong—
[1:21:50] you have to give public comments within 60
days and— or any complaints or whatever.
[1:21:56] And that's all directed to the FAA and
their timetable because they're the ones
[1:22:02] their timetable because they're the ones
who
[1:22:02] made the change, not—
[1:22:03] Right.
[1:22:04] Metro Nashville Airport Authority.
[1:22:06] And I don't I don't know which— who's in
charge of that these days.
[1:22:10] I mean, who knows? I don't know.
[1:22:12] I don't know what— I don't know what he's
talking about.
[1:22:14] So I did— I have not found that.
[1:22:15] Well, so anyway, there's kind of a short
fuse on that.
[1:22:19] Um, but it's— it's— yeah, I think it's
something we need to stay in touch with.
[1:22:25] Um, and if I could, I will raise one other
thing.
[1:22:29] And then Winston and I did this the other
day, was, uh, uh,
[1:22:33] I found out through I guess I got a
Facebook notification and from,
[1:22:39] from Caleb Hemmer that came up on my
email.
[1:22:42] Excuse me.
[1:22:44] And, um, about this meeting that was going
to take place on Monday.
[1:22:48] I think I got this on Friday, on Monday,
um,
[1:22:51] to talk about I-65 corridor and changes
and expanding lanes and everything.
[1:22:57] And it was like What?
[1:22:58] You're having a meeting on Monday and
we're just now hearing about it?
[1:23:03] And so, you know, that's— I called Winston
and he fortunately was able to go.
[1:23:09] So I think I sent all of— sent it to all
of you, the notice that I got.
[1:23:14] But it was kind of a— it wasn't really a
meeting,
[1:23:17] or maybe it's a meeting that's designed to
prevent cause célèbres from developing on
[1:23:23] the floor. But it's one of those
situations where they just put up boards
[1:23:28] situations where they just put up boards
around the
[1:23:29] room, and then they had people standing by
them to, you know,
[1:23:33] talk to you and answer questions.
[1:23:36] But, you know, there was no— everyone say,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:23:40] No plenary session.
[1:23:42] No, no plenary session.
[1:23:43] And, you know, when Winston and I both— I
mean,
[1:23:46] by the time I was getting to some of the
people,
[1:23:50] he was ahead of me talking to people.
[1:23:52] And they said, I think I know What you're
here to talk about. Sound walls?
[1:23:58] I said, oh, you've heard. I mean, we were
spreading that word loud and clear.
[1:24:03] Now, you know, several of the people who
were there were trying to explain to me,
[1:24:09] well, no, that really comes up in the
later part of the environmental evaluation
[1:24:14] because sound is part of an environmental
evaluation. Environmental and so forth.
[1:24:20] And, but then as you all may have gotten,
I guess you sent it to everybody. I did.
[1:24:26] I had a pretty much similar email from
Senator Campbell today.
[1:24:30] I went ahead and sent it to everybody.
[1:24:32] I probably didn't have time to read it,
but it'll be in your email.
[1:24:36] Well, I read through it and it, you know,
it's extensive and complex.
[1:24:40] I hope it doesn't make people feel like
it's too complex for them to deal with.
[1:24:45] But the main thing is that you've got
until September 8th to send in written
[1:24:50] comments, and thank you for sending yours
in so promptly.
[1:24:53] Yeah, I think it's really important that
we notify the people east of Franklin Road
[1:24:59] about that. I mean, really important.
[1:25:02] I mean, I know you have your newsletter or
your email list,
[1:25:06] but don't wait till the end I mean,
[1:25:08] do it as soon as possible so that their
voices can be heard.
[1:25:13] Now their noise is really, I think, worse
from Radnor,
[1:25:17] but surely a sound wall would help as
well.
[1:25:20] Yeah, well, that's true too.
[1:25:22] But yeah, but I guess the difference with
the interstate is it's all the time.
[1:25:29] Radnor, I guess you have some space
between Between squeals.
[1:25:34] But anyway, it's a lot sort of—
[1:25:37] there's a lot of stuff kind of coming at
us right now,
[1:25:42] and I think it's important for us to stay
on top of it.
[1:25:47] And I'll say this, I did get a response
from them.
[1:25:49] Oh, did you? Uh-huh.
[1:25:50] And it was just kind of like, you know,
you know, thank you for responding.
[1:25:54] Somebody like a human will get back with
you.
[1:25:56] Okay. Well, Good. I mean,
[1:25:58] it was very disappointing to me the number
of people who were there who were—
[1:26:03] I mean, there were more consultant
employees there than there were, you know,
[1:26:07] residents.
[1:26:08] I did leave a written comment excoriating
the noise issue and filed that.
[1:26:14] And I do have a— I did have communication
with one of the people.
[1:26:19] I think she identified herself as the head
Communications about it,
[1:26:24] and I'm going to send an email to her
asking, saying I'm getting some
[1:26:29] asking, saying I'm getting some
complaints,
[1:26:30] can I pass these on to you and you forward
them to the appropriate authorities?
[1:26:36] So I'll see what I can do about that. I'll
copy you on that, Scott.
[1:26:42] The one thing that Senator Campbell's
email did say that Steve has said about
[1:26:47] email did say that Steve has said about
the
[1:26:48] airplane noise as well.
[1:26:49] And I think it's something to take to
heart,
[1:26:53] and that is that you need to provide
specifics.
[1:26:56] You need to say, you know,
[1:26:58] this is waking me and my family up all
hours of the night, or something like
[1:27:04] hours of the night, or something like
that.
[1:27:04] She did get into, you know, also testing
decibels and all that.
[1:27:09] I don't want people to feel like they've
got to go test decibels before they send
[1:27:15] got to go test decibels before they send
in
[1:27:15] a comment. But really, the more specific,
I think, Steve, you can talk about that.
[1:27:21] But well, you know, I mean, you know, time
of day, you know, is important.
[1:27:26] And you can get this from the FAA if
you've got a time of day, or if you can,
[1:27:31] if you can see the aircraft, see what,
what the carrier is,
[1:27:35] you can get that information and you can,
[1:27:37] you can do it with an app like that
FlightAware.
[1:27:41] So yeah, and then, you know, as much
information as you can get is helpful.
[1:27:45] Yeah.
[1:27:46] Can I make a— I don't know if this adds
anything.
[1:27:50] The problem is when you gain altitude,
[1:27:53] and Dad was a pilot in the military and
private, and I flew with him.
[1:27:59] I never got my license.
[1:28:01] But if you want to gain altitude, you keep
your Wings straight and level.
[1:28:07] That's how the fastest way to get your
altitude.
[1:28:11] If you turn your wings to turn, that's how
you turn, you bank your wings.
[1:28:17] Your vector, remember, your lift vector is
perpendicular to the wings.
[1:28:23] So you lose some of your lift vector when
you turn. So you're banking your wings?
[1:28:30] So what these people are doing, they want
to get— Southwest Airlines, whoever—
[1:28:37] they want to get to wherever they're
going.
[1:28:40] They want to get off the runway as soon as
possible and head directly to Houston,
[1:28:47] for example. What should be done, I think,
[1:28:50] they ought to be required to keep it
straight and level until they get to at
[1:28:57] straight and level until they get to at
least
[1:28:57] 10,000 feet.
[1:28:59] And then turn.
[1:28:59] And then turn.
[1:29:01] Then you can slow— at that point you begin
to slow your ascent.
[1:29:06] And that's just common sense if anybody
knows anything about Bernoulli's principle
[1:29:13] and airplanes. But I think that's— I think
it's a whole thing.
[1:29:18] And what somehow it's the dadgum airlines
want to cut 3 or 4 or 5 minutes out of the
[1:29:24] transit, and that's why it's We're all
getting blasts, if you will,
[1:29:29] at only 5,000 feet, whatever that's worth.
[1:29:33] Well, probably nothing.
[1:29:34] We may, you know, we may have better luck
with the interstate. I don't know.
[1:29:39] But I think it's important for them to
know that, you know,
[1:29:42] while they're talking about adding lanes
or whatever they're going to do,
[1:29:46] that anything they do, whether they think
they're alleviating congestion,
[1:29:51] it's going to still produce more noise.
[1:29:54] And— Yeah, because if they make more
lanes, there's going to be more noise.
[1:29:58] And so it just needs to be, um, you know,
it needs to be part of the,
[1:30:03] part of the process at this point, I
think,
[1:30:07] because they're going to try to finish
this study by the end of this year.
[1:30:12] And, um, and then it goes to NEPA, which
is a national Right.
[1:30:17] For their evaluation. I don't think we
want to wait until that at all.
[1:30:23] It's the big bad environmental study.
[1:30:25] Oh.
[1:30:26] That's what that is.
[1:30:27] Okay. So anyway, that's, you know, it's
been a long time coming.
[1:30:33] People have been promised that way back
and even more recently and it just—
[1:30:39] I'm sure I'm sure it's frustrating to
them, and it's noisy.
[1:30:44] It's very noisy over there. So I don't
know, maybe something to post on the
[1:30:50] know, maybe something to post on the
website.
[1:30:51] The attachment that I had that I sent,
[1:30:54] had attached to my email that I sent this
morning.
[1:30:58] Yeah, that one. Yeah.
[1:31:00] That attachment is something that could go
on our website or maybe just Was that
[1:31:06] the, uh, the thing you called it, the, the
flyer or the poster?
[1:31:11] Yeah, the brochure. It was a brochure.
[1:31:14] Did you put that up? Yeah, I think, I
think we got that up.
[1:31:17] Yeah, it's— oh, you did? Yeah, it's this,
right?
[1:31:20] It was just a 2-page thing that they had
as a handout, um,
[1:31:25] which is probably the most important thing
on here is that it says who to contact.
[1:31:34] There is— the lady from—
[1:31:36] the communications lady from TDOT told me
and sent it to me,
[1:31:43] there is a bill which just got passed
which we can ask the state to do a
[1:31:50] study about our noise level. Catch, we got
to pay for it. Yeah.
[1:31:59] Well, and the other interesting thing was
that one of the people was showing me—
[1:32:04] or it was on one of the boards,
storyboards there that they had—
[1:32:08] but one of them was about the
Transportation Modernization Act at the
[1:32:12] Transportation Modernization Act at the
state level
[1:32:13] that we get a little bit of money from
every year.
[1:32:16] Yeah.
[1:32:16] Well, they were talking about as part of
this program that they
[1:32:22] want to deploy those funds From that,
[1:32:26] from that whatever funds the
Transportation Modernization Act.
[1:32:33] So I don't know what that is.
[1:32:36] I think you sent out an email
[1:32:40] blast about the I-65 corridor.
[1:32:44] Yes, right.
[1:32:44] But I don't think it's on the webpage.
[1:32:51] I think we put the, uh, that poster up. I
don't know if we put the email up.
[1:32:55] Did you put the email, Desiree, on the
webpage?
[1:32:58] I don't see it.
[1:33:04] If we didn't, we'll put it up.
[1:33:05] Yeah, I don't see it.
[1:33:07] And what email are you talking about? My
email?
[1:33:10] Well, the information about the, um, from,
uh, who to contact.
[1:33:16] Oh, okay. Well, that's— yeah, that's it.
It's down at the end of that.
[1:33:19] We probably need to highlight it better,
but— and then that's the— yeah,
[1:33:22] there you go.
[1:33:23] But that's it. What's that on? What's that
under the heading of?
[1:33:31] Latest news, I think.
[1:33:32] Yeah, might be good to have it under Make
Your Voice Heard or something.
[1:33:37] Yeah, that's a good idea.
[1:33:49] Yeah, right, I did get that.
[1:34:01] Okay, I think that's okay.
[1:34:03] I just want a quick comment.
[1:34:05] I was pleased at how The paving of Battery
was not as
[1:34:09] nearly as disruptive as I thought.
[1:34:12] No, it wasn't. They—
[1:34:14] I think they had a new traffic directing
crew than they have had when they had it
[1:34:20] over on Evansdale. But they, they, they
moved the traffic around pretty,
[1:34:25] pretty good over there.
[1:34:27] And they did a good job. They kind of
expanded the road a little bit to the
[1:34:31] expanded the road a little bit to the
sides.
[1:34:32] Um, you all know Mr. McCarty? You know,
have y'all met Mr. McCarty?
[1:34:37] He lives at, uh, 848, I think.
[1:34:40] Hunter McCarty?
[1:34:42] Uh, what's his first name? Jim? Jim? Bill?
Bill McCarty.
[1:34:46] He, he and his neighbor, they— their,
their driveways just come right together,
[1:34:52] and every driveway on that street had a
transition from the driveway to the
[1:34:58] transition from the driveway to the
street.
[1:34:59] You know how they do the transition, they
go out.
[1:35:02] He is the only one that did not get the
transition.
[1:35:06] And he is the one that calls us a lot. We
know him a lot. We like him. Okay.
[1:35:12] He has a real nice Panama hat he got from
Reese Witherspoon's dad.
[1:35:18] And Real nice gentleman, but he knows our
phone number real well.
[1:35:23] But the only person that didn't get his
driveway transitioned properly was that
[1:35:29] driveway transitioned properly was that
one.
[1:35:29] But I talked to our folks over there.
They're going to take care of it.
[1:35:35] They're going to take care of it.
[1:35:37] Hey, if I could indulge you all for just a
second,
[1:35:41] because I think David will find this
interesting,
[1:35:45] and I think you'll find this interesting.
But I went to a funeral Monday in Memphis.
[1:35:52] A guy by the name of Michael Cenciola. He
was a flight engineer on a B-24.
[1:35:57] And he was stationed in Benghazi, Africa,
in the 44th Bomb Group, 67th Squadron.
[1:36:04] It's the same squadron my father flew in.
Anyway, his funeral was this week.
[1:36:10] He lived that long? He did not live that
long.
[1:36:13] But he, on his first mission, He was shot
down by the Germans in Italy,
[1:36:19] and his whole crew was lost.
[1:36:21] And they buried him in an unmarked grave
until just recently.
[1:36:26] They, they, however, whatever, they
exhumed them and found out they were
[1:36:31] exhumed them and found out they were
Americans.
[1:36:32] And they started checking them out, and
they did all the forensics.
[1:36:37] They came back to the family, had them do
some DNA,
[1:36:41] and found out that was That was Michael,
[1:36:44] a Cinciola staff sergeant that died in
that crash on August 16th, 1943.
[1:36:50] My father was shot down on August 1st,
1943,
[1:36:53] but he survived after being captive by the
Germans.
[1:36:57] In the raid on Paris.
[1:37:00] But he was in his unit and they knew each
other.
[1:37:02] Wow.
[1:37:03] That's 83 years ago. The wing was shot
down.
[1:37:07] Where was the man— where was he buried?
[1:37:11] He was buried in the West Tennessee
Veterans—
[1:37:14] I mean, initially.
[1:37:15] Oh, he was buried in Naples, Italy.
[1:37:18] And his parents were born in Italy and
immigrated to the United States and moved
[1:37:24] immigrated to the United States and moved
to
[1:37:25] Memphis and started a business. But that's
where his parents were born, in Italy.
[1:37:31] For those of y'all that don't know,
[1:37:34] the raid that Steve's father was on was
the horrible raid where they made a
[1:37:40] the horrible raid where they made a
debacle
[1:37:40] out of it, flying in very low against the
oil field.
[1:37:44] Operation Tidal Wave. Yeah, it was a
suicide daytime run, low-level mission.
[1:37:51] They had one man that was a prisoner with
him.
[1:37:55] He had bailed out and And it was floating
down, and he said, oh my gosh,
[1:38:01] I'm coming down into the oil refinery.
[1:38:05] It was on fire and exploded, blew him back
up 4,000 or 5,000 feet.
[1:38:10] He came over here and landed.
[1:38:12] He was okay.
[1:38:12] Oh, wow.
[1:38:14] Anyhow, we got way off the subject.
[1:38:15] Yeah, Commissioner O'Dell has got
something she wants to say.
[1:38:18] Yeah, thank you for indulging me here.
[1:38:21] I'll Be brief, but to the incoming board
members,
[1:38:25] I think that there's a little work that
needs to be done.
[1:38:30] One, um, when we found out that our
property—
[1:38:33] side property setbacks for accessory
buildings are not lined up with the main
[1:38:39] buildings are not lined up with the main
house,
[1:38:40] please correct that and do it as soon as
possible.
[1:38:44] We don't want another debacle like we've
had at Robertson and Dustin.
[1:38:49] Also The definition of sports court needs
to be somehow defined.
[1:38:54] What?
[1:38:54] Sports court. That needs a definition.
[1:38:57] I mean, I don't think a basketball goal at
the end of a driveway qualifies as a
[1:39:04] sport court. I don't think any of us have
had that as an objective.
[1:39:09] So I think that really needs to be taken
care of.
[1:39:13] Also, I really don't even know that the
term trees is defined.
[1:39:18] And the tree ordinance.
[1:39:20] And, you know, we haven't had a problem
yet, but you know how people are.
[1:39:26] I just think that we need to take a look
at that.
[1:39:30] Lastly, I have seen a situation in Belle
Meade where,
[1:39:34] you know how they are about speeding in
Belle Meade.
[1:39:38] They have really addressed it other than
than just having their police out there
[1:39:45] with their little guns. And Desiree, do
you have that video you're going to show?
[1:39:51] This is at Westside— I'm sorry, West Pine.
[1:39:55] It's on the boundary of Bellamy Golf
Course.
[1:39:58] It goes in, uh, you're heading from west
to, um, Page Road.
[1:40:03] Yep.
[1:40:05] Okay.
[1:40:06] It actually goes all the way to 100, I
think.
[1:40:08] Yeah.
[1:40:08] By Sam's place.
[1:40:09] Okay, well anyway, if you can— because I'm
such a good driver,
[1:40:15] I can video while I drive.
[1:40:17] Oh, hands-free.
[1:40:18] The little flower box, is that what we're
talking about?
[1:40:21] Yeah. Yeah, I, uh, I made some photographs
of that,
[1:40:25] and now I can't find them.
[1:40:28] But I went over there and took that Yeah,
I talked to Steve about this.
[1:40:33] I'm like, you know, I don't think it can
be as expensive as other things that we
[1:40:38] could do.
[1:40:39] Here we go. Okay, where are you now? Which
direction are you?
[1:40:44] I'm headed to, uh, Bellamy Boulevard.
[1:40:47] Okay.
[1:40:47] But look right here what they've done.
[1:40:49] Okay, they've done that same thing on
Linwood Boulevard,
[1:40:56] um, between Harding Place and on up to
Harding Road,
[1:41:01] I guess.
[1:41:02] Now, I witnessed while they were doing
this,
[1:41:04] and I don't know if they've got irrigation
in there or not.
[1:41:07] I think you're speeding in that picture.
[1:41:11] I'm not. I said it sounds red.
[1:41:13] Well, it's really low. It's like 20 miles
an hour.
[1:41:16] Yeah, it is low.
[1:41:17] But you come upon it.
[1:41:19] There's another one.
[1:41:20] And, you know, even if we can't irrigate
it,
[1:41:23] we've got residents in certain areas that
say something has to be done,
[1:41:27] maybe they would go out there and put
water on it, you know, their front yard.
[1:41:32] Plants that are—
[1:41:35] Yeah, there's 3 of them on that street.
[1:41:37] Decorative rocks or whatever.
[1:41:39] Decorative rocks.
[1:41:40] You don't have to put—
[1:41:41] or welcome to Oak Hill.
[1:41:43] Well, Steve, this is exactly what I called
you about, the one on, on, uh, Lindley.
[1:41:49] But also Also, it's not just this thing in
the median. Desiree, can you go back?
[1:41:54] Because they— see this line right here on
the right? I mean, it moves you over.
[1:42:00] And, and I mean, some of them are pretty
exaggerated moving you over,
[1:42:05] so you're having to keep your eye on the
road all the time.
[1:42:09] They call those chicanes?
[1:42:10] Yeah, chicanes.
[1:42:13] They have those on Formula 1 courses.
[1:42:15] Well, you could also stripe the highway
with some of those—
[1:42:21] Well, we talked about that, but I do think
that that median,
[1:42:24] little median adds something.
[1:42:26] Well, it's something to dodge.
[1:42:30] Exactly.
[1:42:32] Or not dodge. Yeah.
[1:42:35] But, you know, especially the area where,
you know,
[1:42:40] waste redirection. Directs traffic,
[1:42:43] and those streets are really wide.
[1:42:46] I mean, some of those streets are really
wide.
[1:42:50] You can narrow them down. Yeah.
[1:42:53] Anyway.
[1:42:55] I think that's not a bad idea.
[1:42:57] It would be probably less obnoxious than a
speed bump in the middle of the road.
[1:43:01] I'm thinking exactly, and cheaper. Cheaper
and less obnoxious.
[1:43:07] Less maintenance. Because I mean,
[1:43:09] those speed bumps are going to break up
and tear up after a couple of
[1:43:13] years. And you're going to have to replace
it.
[1:43:16] Yeah, yeah.
[1:43:21] But I've been going over to Caldwell Lane
a lot lately,
[1:43:25] and I'll sit there and watch people go
over those speed bumps.
[1:43:29] It does not slow people down.
[1:43:31] You're talking about the speed bumps?
Speed cushions, the rubberized ones.
[1:43:34] Speed cushions, yeah. It just does not
speed them up, it slows them down.
[1:43:37] Or it's an old person, they stop. They
want you to stop.
[1:43:42] But if you go over them faster, it's
easier.
[1:43:45] But now, a true asphalt speed hump, you
can't do that.
[1:43:50] You really do have to slow down.
[1:43:53] It'll throw you up on the roof of your
car.
[1:44:00] Oh, Cox Road down here.
[1:44:02] Hobbs Road. Oh my goodness. Those, have
you not been over those?
[1:44:07] Yeah, I avoid it.
[1:44:09] There's one in front of Parker Falls
School and then there's one east of there.
[1:44:14] Oh, it's unbelievable. Those are poorly
designed.
[1:44:17] You can see the dents in the road where 60
cars have already—
[1:44:21] Yeah, and you got some real bank breaks on
those.
[1:44:24] The ones on Greene and at the top of the
hill, they are real—
[1:44:27] those are excessive and dangerously
excessive.
[1:44:29] Really?
[1:44:30] Yeah.
[1:44:30] Wow.
[1:44:31] But the ones on Tara and Robert E. Lee are
not.
[1:44:35] If you're going 30 or below, you can go
right over them.
[1:44:40] But if you get 35 or faster, you're going
to— you're not going to like it.
[1:44:46] But I can go 5 miles an hour over the ones
on Hobbs and Still not fine.
[1:44:51] Joy, just to follow up on what you just
suggested there about the setbacks for
[1:44:59] accessory structures, side setbacks,
[1:45:02] there was something else that we realized
that we—
[1:45:07] oh, I know what it was.
[1:45:08] Oh, oh, oh.
[1:45:09] The main structure must be built.
[1:45:09] Do you live on Westheimer?
[1:45:10] The main structure needs to be built
before the— needs to be—
[1:45:14] Right.
[1:45:14] Somebody raised that with me the other
day.
[1:45:16] They said, why wasn't that done down here
at Robertson Academy, Dustin?
[1:45:21] Isn't that in our code? And I said, I
don't think that's in our code.
[1:45:25] Do you know, Marshall?
[1:45:26] Well, we worked on some language one night
and we did. We actually—
[1:45:31] that you had to build the main structure
before accessory structures?
[1:45:34] We've worked on some— we worked on some
language.
[1:45:37] Well, where'd it go?
[1:45:38] I don't know.
[1:45:43] Um, I know we've caught this before and
we've discussed it,
[1:45:47] maybe in the context of this same thing,
[1:45:49] but I told her that I didn't think it was
part of our code.
[1:45:53] Oh, I know, Julie Gall was the one who was
talking to me about that on Election Day.
[1:45:59] Um, she says that's the code everywhere
else.
[1:46:02] Well, you have to build the main structure
first.
[1:46:05] That may not be in the code But I don't—
Marshall, hear me on this.
[1:46:11] I need some backup.
[1:46:12] Okay.
[1:46:13] I don't see why we cannot make that as
part of a procedural issue before we issue
[1:46:18] part of a procedural issue before we issue
a
[1:46:18] permit, is that we have a timeline of when
these structures are going to be built
[1:46:23] and say, as far as procedural, until that—
until we put that in the code,
[1:46:28] is that main structures have to be started
before for accessory structures are.
[1:46:33] And I think you could tighten up the
definition of sports court.
[1:46:38] Oh, yeah.
[1:46:38] You know, that was a very—
[1:46:40] We've got to break that. That whole
sentence needs to be broken up.
[1:46:42] Yeah, but I think— can't you interpret it
more strict than you have?
[1:46:47] I mean, if you look up the word sports
court in the dictionary, it doesn't say—
[1:46:53] it has a lot of stuff.
[1:46:55] I believe we could go to the—
[1:46:57] I think we could just refer to the ICC for
a sports court
[1:47:00] definition because we have adopted the
ICC.
[1:47:03] It'd be interesting to see what the ICC
says about it.
[1:47:08] Yeah.
[1:47:11] Yeah, okay. All right,
[1:47:13] thank you for those reminders and
suggestions.
[1:47:17] Anybody else have anything to bring
forward?
[1:47:20] Come on, Scott, give us another question.
Come on, I'm taking that. Robert E.
[1:47:26] Lee, knowledge is the future.
[1:47:28] Winston and I will talk while you're
thinking it up.
[1:47:32] Yeah, well, what I want to say again,
[1:47:35] the same basically as I said at the
beginning of the—
[1:47:40] when I gave you all those certificates,
[1:47:43] but it has been a pleasure working with
both of you, Scott and And, and, and Joy.
[1:47:50] And you all have made real contributions
and have been solid members of this board
[1:47:57] and appreciate what you've done and the
time you've put into it. And thank you.
[1:48:03] Thank you.
[1:48:05] It's been a pleasure.
[1:48:08] I've said it before, what a model. How I
wish the federal government worked as
[1:48:14] wish the federal government worked as
well.
[1:48:18] Maybe put them, put them under a Sunshine
Law. Yeah.
[1:48:26] They have a shade law.
[1:48:27] Sustainable.
[1:48:28] Yeah, it's going to happen when our
grandkids return.