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Good evening. Welcome to the Tuesday August 18th, 2020 Board. Okay, let's have a council meeting, and I'll call it's order.

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If council would choose, we'll do the education and the pledge, and at the end of the pledge, I am going to ask that you remain standing.

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Okay, thank you, Mayor.

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Please bow your heads, gracious and loving God, we come before you with grateful hearts.

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Thank you for this beautiful community, your place and our care.

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Feel this chamber with your presence tonight and let every decision made here be rooted in genuine love.

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Love for our neighbors and the sake of responsibility of serving them.

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Grant our mayor counsel and staff the wisdom to lead with humility,

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and the compassion to always put the residents of Oak Island first.

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May your peace govern our words and your love be the foundation of all we do in your holy name we pray.

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I'd play to the agency to the black organization,

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and to the organization's organization,

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and to the organization, and to the organization,

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the organization, and the organization.

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To the university, and justice and so on.

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Please be John and the reason I ask you to make standing

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in the right way through the moment of silence

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when we issue a felt, at least we pass away

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more time employing and 8 years of council.

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At this time I'm going to ask Council Member

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This

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is a resolution in memoriam, remembering the late Sheila Bell, whereas the town council

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in citizens of town, the town of Oak Island are greatly saddened by the death of Sheila

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Bell, former council member and longtime town employee on Friday, August 7th, 2026, whereas

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Sheila Bell served our community for eight years as town council member elected in 2015 and

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2019 and where as Sheila Bell also worked in local government for 25 years.

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Most of it here right in Oak Island, serving in several positions, including the challenging role

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of the text collector in her own hometown. And whereas during her time of town council,

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members Sheila Bell helped navigate the town through many storms,

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some which were caused by weather, and whereas throughout the her time in Oak Island,

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Sheila saw much change. She takes with her a wealth of knowledge and

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town history.

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Where as she earned the respect, admiration in the high regard of all who have the pleasure of working with her.

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Sorry, I can't read.

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The town of Oak Island has sustained a great loss in her death.

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We firmly believe that Sheila's parting words to the town would have been

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Love, yeah, mean it.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved on behalf of the town of Oak Island is Citizen Staff,

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the mayor of the town council by this resolution public record,

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extends serious and serious regret to Sheila Bell's family members for their loss and the hope of that her family will be

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consoled by the memories of her life and achievement and the ongoing visible signs of the impact of the

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Oakland community. Be it further more resolved that this resolution be made part of the official minutes of the

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town of Oak Island and that is is a official copy of this expression of our deepest sympathy

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presenters are her family. We would ask if any of her friends and family would like to come receive a copy.

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Thank you everyone. We speak to you.

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You now begin the main portion of the hearing or the meeting.

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We will be starting off with a public hearing.

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The purpose of this public hearing is to receive citizen comments.

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on proposed amendment to the town ordinance,

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coder ordinance section 8-197, the right of clear.

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Do you have any presentation on that?

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We do not. If you'd like to hear from Mr. Hornick just briefly about the purpose of the ordinance, amendment.

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May have noticed on your agenda, the CPM, we have an appeal or two from the minimum housing determinations.

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And the statute provides that appeals are to be made to the housing appeals board.

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And tonight, this ordinance, we're

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remaining the ordinance so that the Town Council can, in fact, act as the, as the, as the housing code appeals board.

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And that's, that's, that's what this is about in, in summary.

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I can call this hearing through close.

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Which I have any motion.

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I'll make a motion.

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I'll make a motion to approve the amendment.

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It's just six to eight, dash one, nine, seven of the Towns Code of Ordnance, as presented.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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Thank you.

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That concludes these public hearing.

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We have a presentation this evening.

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Introduction of our U.S. Coast Guard CGG.

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Hey, good evening, Council.

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Good evening, Mayor.

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I have the distinct privilege and introducing our new senior

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chief at the Coast Guard right here on Oak Island. We have a great working relationship with

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the Coast Guard and it really started years ago with the previous senior chief. We do

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things with them. We interact with the Coast Guard. Maybe not on a weekly basis but on a

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monthly basis and there was a change in other guard for three weeks ago. Yeah, three weeks

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go and Jason Gazillo was fortunate enough to come back, you know, come back to Oak Island

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and I will let him give some background but it's a great honor to have him. He is a wonderful

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guy and we're looking so forward to working with him so I just wanted to bring him to you

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to you tonight so you can put a name with the face and we'll continue that great relationship

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that we had with Logan Aconson on with Chief Gazello here.

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But I'll turn it over to him.

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Good evening.

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Good morning.

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Good afternoon, Mayor.

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Councilman.

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Thank you guys for the opportunity to be here to present myself.

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And introduce myself.

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First and foremost, I have semi condolences to Sheila and her family.

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It seems like she had a everlasting impact on the community.

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I took over three weeks ago and I've had nothing but warm welcomes from Chief Morris and Chief

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Price from the Fire Department.

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I've had 24 years of service, I've done three tours here in North Carolina, so I'm glad

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to be back with serving down in Southern Texas, protecting the maritime border and protection

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down there, supporting the United States down there.

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I look forward to continuing tradition and upholding the traditions here in Oak Island.

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I was in Riceville Beach before.

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I was in Hoboken, North Carolina up there, living in New Burn.

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This is my 11th duty station and I've never felt more welcomed to be in an area since I've been here.

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I'm married.

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I have two children and I look forward to serving this community and thank you Mr. Mayor for this opportunity.

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Thank you.

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I'd like to add the resolution to our consent agenda that Councilman Bynum Red.

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I'd like to remove for discussion, I'd

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point to the code of ordinances, speed limit

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ordinance for discussion. And then I'd also do to schedule and conflicts with the applicant would like us to remove item V1.

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May I? Is there a need for a close session?

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And there's I believe I was the one who asked for close session and I no longer require a close session.

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Thank you, Lisa.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Yes, I can shorten it.

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Can you do I have a motion to accept the agenda as amended?

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Question?

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Second question, that's a question.

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So this is the second month in a row that the applicant for high tide power sports is

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not shown up.

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At what point did I have to start kind of the whole process again, meeting with staff, submitting

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whatever.

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We just continue to let this roll.

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But tonight it was that they got a notice that their child had kindergarten orientation.

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So we did say that that was probably more important.

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I'm saying.

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Question stays.

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So how long, is this something we just can carry for a month or month?

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I don't, I don't believe we have a time limit on this.

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Yeah, I would turn the tailor for any updates as far as the UDO is concerned.

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There is not a time limit for a business license application so it could continue on until the board chooses to hear it.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So we had a motion and a second.

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All in favor of the agenda as.

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Thank you.

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That brings us to our public comment.

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This is a reminder that for public comment, you are limited to three minutes.

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They should be comments of general nature, not directed at any one individual or council member.

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Good

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evening, town council and mayor. My name is Glenn Baker and I live on 110 Northease 16th Street.

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I stand before you tonight to address the compounding crisis facing our community,

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expanding government, blow, threat of impending tax increases, and a dangerous leadership vacuum created by recent vacancies and key positions.

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We are witnessing obvious internal turmoil within our administration when court apartment

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heads and leadership roles sit vacant or turn over rapidly, it cycles a systemic issue.

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Leaving these positions unfilled or constantly shuffling leadership creates an operational

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drift where money is spent, project, stall, and accountability disappears.

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Many of you sitting on this DS ran on platforms of fiscal responsibility, transparency, and protecting our citizens.

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Tonight I am asking you to honor those promises before the cost of this administrative turmoil has passed directly down to the taxpayers.

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Oak Island residents, especially the seniors and families living on fixed income, are being squeezed from every direction.

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inflation is biting, property is reassessments are looming in the cost of daily living

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continues to climb. Our seniors cannot afford tax hikes driven by organization

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inefficiency or unaddressed bloke. Every year we hear about financial audits, but a

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standard financial audit only asks are the numbers accounted for. It fails to answer

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the question or residents are desperately asking, why are we spending more while

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the administrative roles remain in total flux.

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When a town experiences leadership vacuum,

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knee-jerk reactions take over,

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departments operate in silos,

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redundancies multiply, and the default responses

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to hire more personnel or race taxes to patch over broken processes

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rather than fixing them.

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That is why I'm calling on this Council

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to commission a comprehensive third party operational

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audit of our town government.

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An operational audit brings in neutral private sector experts to examine our organizational

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structure, review workflow inefficiencies, and evaluate staffing needs during this critical

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transition period.

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It asks the necessary questions, how do we restructure vacant roles to save money rather than

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simply refilling bloated positions?

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Where are we duplicating a administrative effort?

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How can we streamline operations so we don't force our fixed income residents out of their homes with continuous tax hikes?

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An operational audit routinely pays for itself by cutting waste and restoring stability.

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I respectfully request that council place an RFP for a third party operational audit on next month's agenda.

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Let's protect our seniors, fix the leadership vacuum, and bring true accountability to Oak Island.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Valerie Dolan.

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Good to have you back.

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We'll see you up right.

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Valerie Dolan.

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It even may have around in members of Town Council.

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My name is Valerie Dolan and I live at 1624 East Beach Drive.

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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak to me about something that is very important to the Salty Dog Park community and more importantly about making our park accessible to everyone.

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Salty dog park has become much more than place where people bring their dogs.

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It's a community. There's a strong group of...

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All regular users who care deeply about this park, who know the challenges firsthand, and who want to see it improved so that people of all abilities can safely enjoy it.

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It's my understanding that you will soon be considering how to move forward with recommendations coming from

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Hope Island friends of the Park Foundation and the Oak Island Parks and Recreation Advisory Board regarding updates and improvements to the salty dog park.

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As a voice for the group of regular park users and supporters, I would respectfully ask that you consider these recommendations favorably and prioritize the needs of the salty dog park as you determine how to move forward.

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We understand that not everything can be accomplished at once,

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and we are not asking to do that.

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We're simply asking that these needs be recognized,

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prioritized, and incorporated into a realistic plan for improvements.

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We understand that everything on the list cannot and probably

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should not be done all at once.

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We understand there are budget limitations,

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competing priorities, and a process that the town must follow.

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We are asking, what we are asking for is a commitment to move forward.

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The list of requested improvements that was provided to the Oak Island Friends of Parks

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identifies the areas that need attention, particularly those affecting accessibility, safety

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and usability.

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These aren't simply cosmetic improvements.

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They are about making sure someone using a wheelchair, walker, or other mobility device

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can actually enter the park.

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Navigate it safely and enjoy the same experience as everyone else, and we don't expect the town to do this alone.

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There is already dedicated group of regular park users who have been demonstrated that we are willing to be part of the solution.

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We have already spent countless hours advocating for this park, gathering information, identifying needs and bringing these needs forward, and we are willing to continue.

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We are willing to help with fundraising, we are willing to help organize efforts, volunteer

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our time, assist with projects we're appropriate, and help provide information and insight

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from the people who use the park regularly.

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We understand there are things that we cannot do ourselves, but where there is something within

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our ability to help, we want to help.

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This should be a partnership between the town and the people who care about this park.

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We also recognize the improvements can be phased, perhaps the most urgent, ADA and safety concerns are addressed first, followed by additional improvements as funding becomes available.

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What matters is that we establish a plan and begin moving forward, rather than allowing the list to become another item that sits on a shelf.

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We have worked hard and persisted because we believe salty dog park is worth investing in.

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But this isn't just a dog park, it's about Oak Island becoming a community that recognizes

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accessibility, inclusion, and safety as priorities.

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I would ask you Mayor Brown and the Town Council to support these requested improvements,

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work with Parks and Recreation Advisory Board and Oak Island Friends of Parks to establish

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a realistic plan and timeline, and allow the people who use the park and love the park

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to be part of making that plan successful.

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We aren't asking you to do everything tomorrow.

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We are asking you to say yes, to moving forward,

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and let us help you get there.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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The patient may have been a patient man.

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That's all that we're signed up.

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So we have, okay.

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We are now on to council reports.

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Tell me, I believe it sure, sure, sure, sure.

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And I apologize for also starting off on a somber note, but I'd also like to take a moment

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to remember that Venema who recently passed away, Mike was a staff member part of our

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outgoing member of our communities. So just wanted to take the time to extend my

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sincere condolences to Bridget and her family. And of course thank Mike for all

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his service to this town and to our community. That's all for good.

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Oh, you're my time.

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Meadies went to a lot of Meadies. Parks and Rec advisory board meeting. I'm the council's

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is on. Next month, Bill Miller is going to ask to come to Council to talk about the nature

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trail. He has been fortunate enough to get...

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The North Carolina Council of State designed off on a 20-year lease that he's going to bring to our attention, but that nature trail is going forward quite well and they're working hard.

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Part 3 committee hats off to the Todd for all he's doing, the Part 3 golf course is going to have four golf tournaments this year.

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You know, college inch into the par three course, get people out there and let them know that all the improvements that have been done at that at the par three.

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Dinging dash, I had fun time to Saturdays to go going out watching all my friends get wet some of them made it all the way some of them didn't that was a fun time.

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Thank you, please department for that.

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I want to do a shout-out and hats-off to Cocoa Cabana, Austin Alpon, so last Saturday, was

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giving away book bags.

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They're at the period for all the school children just come by and no question is asked,

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grab you a bag full of all the stuff you need to go to school.

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And Austin at Cocoa Cabana did that on his own.

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Thank you, sir.

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They've left, but I went to my closet looking for a red shirt to honor Sheila Bale since

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she liked to wear red and I got as close as I could and I told my wife and I was leaving

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of us wearing a red shirt to honor Sheila and she pointed out to me as pink but I got as

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close as I could get.

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I tried.

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Lastly, people ask all of us from time to time about mobile mats, how come there's not a

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be mad at this street or how come they're not a mobile mad at that street.

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My first response is they sure are expensive.

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My second response is if you know any civic clubs in the organizations, anyone, any group

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that would like to contact Todd and Scott Thornhal and come up with some mobile events

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for the town, we would graciously appreciate that.

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I want to put that plug in.

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Thank you, sir.

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It's been a hot, busy summer, as everybody knows it's been a little bit cringety.

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We got some early numbers on 4th of July.

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I believe, Kent, you were saying there's over 90,000 people estimated.

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Yeah, that was correct on around the fifth that weekend, 93,000 estimated.

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So that's quite a lot of people that were here.

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You could tell when you went to the 4th of July celebrations, just how busy we were.

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The beach is looking great. It's holding up very, very well. So we're excited to keep moving.

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And while we love our tourists, those of us who are local are looking forward to second summer.

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I'm going to reinforce what Bill was saying about the par three. I've got a number of comments.

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That's the courses in the best shape it's ever been. So that's pretty high bar.

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that taught congratulations to you and staff.

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What a usage reduction I was talking to, Trey, and Ken, so we've experienced consistently

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at 20% of what a reduction since the mandatory restrictions in place.

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So great news, thanks to everybody.

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The new Brentswick County Water Treat Center, the new plant is going to come online to the end

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of the month, and that's going to double the capacity, so hopefully if it comes online,

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and it doubles the capacity at that point,

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maybe the water restrictions go away.

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And lastly, the reverse osmosis plant

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that's been delayed by two years,

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that's gonna supposed to come on line the end of the month,

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and then end of the year, good news

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for Brentford County residents, not so good news

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for Oak Island, St. James, Southport,

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and Caswell Beach,

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because we're gonna get a blend of reverse osmosis water

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and the Cape Fear Treated Water.

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So for those who have a reverse osmosis system

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and you have to keep that going.

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So you don't get the blended water, but thank you.

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Okay, then last but not least?

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I think one of the biggest things I would like to do

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is tonight is just to say thank you to Mayor Brown,

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Councilwoman Carter, and Councilman.

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I never could remember your last name for some reason.

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It's so we're going to call them by their last names.

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Councilman Brown, just to publicly thank you guys

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for all you did in the Town Manager search.

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I don't believe that the most of the people realized what went into that.

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You guys did an amazing job of keeping us, you guys took the lead, but I think that you

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guys did a great job organizing and making it as flawless of a process that could possibly

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be.

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So, thank you for your efforts.

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You guys helped us lay out a timeline, it was very, it was very smooth.

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So I just wanted to publicly say thank you for all the work that you guys did while you

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the charge, we were all involved in the decision, so thank you guys.

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All right. So that brings us now to our consent agenda. So I'm going to be asking for a motion to approve the consent agenda with the move of item I2, in the addition of item I6, the resolution.

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So, Lou, go ahead.

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Thank you.

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All those in favor?

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Motion passes.

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So, the next item is item from the case consent agenda.

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That is item I2.

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Cosmon Brown, you asked for that to be removed?

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Yes.

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Of course.

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So, I'm by no means looking to re-litigate this topic.

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I just want us to have a informed and deliberate rollout of this change.

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This will be the first segment of road on the island that is 35 mile an hour, but golf carts, LSVs are not allowed.

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It's also a section that has been 45 for quite some time.

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So I want to ensure that, you know, Chief, which I probably should have given a heads up.

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And maybe Kent that, you know, while we likely will be passing this update that it's not implemented tomorrow.

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I would hate for us to have found one item from the Blue Ribbon Committee to change and hopefully improve pedestrian safety, but if not rolled out to create new problems.

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So, I don't have a position on when it should change, how it should change, but I really think

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time spent planning that, sharing that, and just publicizing it as much as possible,

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will not hopefully create new issues.

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My only advice is not during summer and then I defer to you all to lead us with some direction

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for how we implement this change.

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Yeah, certainly advice we'll take and we did get a little bit of a heads-up about this.

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So Chief Morris and I discuss this briefly today about the number of ways we can approach

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notifications using our different pieces of infrastructure, mobile signage, etc.

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And including our usual multi-media notifications through the current through social media and so forth.

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So, and we also talked about the consideration of getting well beyond kind of the vacation season before we consider when to implement the notification plan.

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So think we're in sync with that and have some good thoughts.

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Chief certainly, if you'd like to add anything, feel free and come up.

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Yeah, as Chief comes up, I think one missing piece and I'm sure you would have got to it

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is maybe working with golf cart rental companies to help them appreciate the change.

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I imagine their literature will have to be updated pieces of our website likely will have

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be updated and then I get now it's just one extra piece that I didn't quite get.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate the fact that we're trying to get ahead of this because I certainly do not

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want any issues on the back end when it's completely unnecessary.

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So however we do have like now right now a loose plan about how to move forward with this.

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However our specific date will rely on the OT.

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Once we get through tonight, we'll send our confirmation to DOT, DOT will then come out and

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change the speed limit signs. So, but we need a date first. So, I was on the phone with Alan today

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with DOT discussing that part of it with him. So, once we get that hard date, we will certainly start

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laying the groundwork to educate our community, our visitors, and move forward with that and just like

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Mr. Jackson will say, and we'll use all of our social media, the website, the current,

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to push that information out, we'll have our message boards up, and I too agree that we don't

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even need to address this till after Labor Day.

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We'll get through the season and around October 1, somewhere in that neighborhood that we can

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go live with an effective date.

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But yes, we discussed that this afternoon.

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Could we possibly make consideration for pledge to think they're coming in?

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October, we're going to have an influx of guests that are not regular attenders, I think that and the

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which is right. So we've got two big October things that are heavily visited, so maybe take those

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into consideration. And we certainly will. And of course, before we'll do the education campaign

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And then before we start doing any type of enforcement so that date when we unveil it will have that hard day

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We will not enforce until after after that date

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But definitely after Labor Day in October November, you know, we'll get beyond this get beyond the holiday or this season

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Okay, Chief if if I make sure

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I'll find with you implementing the change whenever you think you're supposed to implement the change

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Thank you sir. I'll stay out of that

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To cut to the chase is 45 mile per hour for Middleton to 19th Street, from 19th Street to Country Club is 35 mile per hour, is that correct?

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That's correct.

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And secondly, no golf carts from 37th Street to 19th Street.

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Just like it has been from 37th all the way to Middleton now is from 37th to 19th, no golf carts.

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That's correct.

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That's the bottom line.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Any other discussion?

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Mayor, may I make one comment for the record, please?

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So, NCDOT, you had requested that while we implement an addition of the 35-mile

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power in the new zone, we also repeal the ordinance for the 45-mile power in that zone.

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The town did not have such an ordinance.

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So, we are simply establishing 35-mile square in that zone, but I wanted to note that for

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record so I can send the minutes along with it.

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There is no coordinates to repeal.

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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So I make a motion to do what Lisa just requested.

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And also approved the addition to section 2811 as well as the creation or the addition to

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2814 of our town's code of ordinances as presented in our agenda packet.

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Yeah, do I have a second?

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I'll second.

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Okay, all those in favor, five zero.

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All right.

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That brings us to committee appointments.

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You need, you have your balance.

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All right.

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I had a question about the balance for the clerk.

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And I just wanted to get her direction on how we should do this.

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So since there are a number of applicants for

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the regular positions on the planning board and then the alternates. If you want to vote for

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just the regular positions on the planning board and then also the environmental advisory committee,

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then we can tell you those. We can redistribute your sheets, and then we can vote on the alternates.

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Because that might change. That makes sense to everybody. All okay. You vote for the public.

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The public should be on the committee, and then we're from that room and do the after that we will

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do the alternates. That we're going to vote on the environmental committee first.

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Both. And the regular planning board of pointies. Both. What you, it's just a, yeah.

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You're not marking an alternate at this time. The sheets back out and we'll go in the alternate.

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So I already filled out my alternate. So you can go that and I'll erase it if it's no priority.

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No, no problem.

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You're just an overachiever moving fast.

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Let's go for the younger one.

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That is a very small, pretty fancy voting sheet.

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Well, the clerk is doing that.

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I want to thank everyone who came tonight and brave the weather.

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It has been crazy out there.

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What up?

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We have 50510.

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It's been a little bit toasty.

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So the air conditioning is doing pretty good tonight.

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I'm sorry,

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it's a new form for me. No, no, just take your time. Make sure it's just accurate, that's all.

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Take your time. Small fonts, hard to read.

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Okay, we have five votes for David Percer and one of the regular terms on the planning board.

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And four votes from council members, Brown, Bynum, Chulo, and Craft for Scott Stevenson for regular term on the board.

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And four votes from council members, Brown, Bynum, Cartner, and Kraft for Robert Carpenter for a regular term.

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To the Environmental Advisory Committee, there were five votes for each of the applicants.

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You know, we had a couple of people that did already vote for alternate, so didn't.

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Should just pass all the sheets back again.

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Yes.

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Did Aaron get the longer term?

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So at this time, you will vote for two of the remaining John Blavins, Jean Brooks, and William Stewart for the alternate terms.

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Okay, mayer. With at least four votes, because some of you voted for the same person's vice. We have Williams Stewart as an alternate. And then the next highest vote getter is Jean Brooks, for an alternate position.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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With that, we come now to the administrative reports, and I'll turn that over to Mr. Jackson.

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getting the mayor in Council.

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So as we heard earlier, we have experienced the, I guess, the bitter part of the circle of life recently.

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But the good news is there's sweet parts of the circle yet to come and those who have gone before us would want us to enjoy that.

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So talk about administrative reports and some other town business.

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As you know, we have started the financial audit process, actually on yesterday, the staff

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members of the audit firm came on site.

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They will be here through Thursday completing their file and record sampling and asking questions

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so forth.

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We anticipate their report in the first half of October and at that point we will schedule

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the town council presentation and the process will continue from there.

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Again, Kudos to especially Melissa Craig and other members of the Finance Department who have pulled together as a team to make this happen on the desired schedule, the typical schedule.

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There was an opportunity to delay this off extended by the firm, but they were able to keep this on track, so that's impressive work on their part.

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Parking, of course, we were moving in to certainly the second half, the latter part of the parking season,

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so I'd ask Otto for an update, so I think as we've kind of felt the activity of visitation has increased,

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and the revenues have increased along with that, a six and a half percent increase over 2025.

453
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:25,800
five, they also included some statistics about citations and season permit sales, citations,

454
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:37,240
I've experienced the 5% reduction, I've not had a, you know, that is positive in the

455
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:46,880
education and our signage and so forth is maybe having a more significant impact, so

456
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:57,720
thanks to Mike and his office for helping us to boost up the parking information, seasoned

457
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:08,760
sales increased slightly over 2025 at almost 1,500 season permit sales.

458
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:15,840
So this is a kind of midyear snapshot as we get to the conclusion of the parking season.

459
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:22,910
We will have a more in-depth discussion with Otto to debrief on how the season went and

460
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,990
considerations for the future.

461
00:44:29,090 --> 00:44:31,550
Councilmember Tula mentioned this in his comments.

462
00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:39,970
The county on yesterday moved to move back to stage two water restriction notice.

463
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:45,670
One of the highlights of that is the expanded irrigation schedules.

464
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:52,930
understaged to automatic irrigation is allowed six days per week.

465
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:59,770
It's three days for odd number to address is three days for even number to address is.

466
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Still with a note you're gating on Mondays.

467
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:10,480
I also obtained some usage data from our public utilities.

468
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:22,000
So again, see there that first entry on July 5th was the peak of our usage at about 2.8 million gallons on the 10th.

469
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,480
right around the tent. This when the county went to the stage three mandatory restriction level.

470
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:38,680
So you can see how our usage has remained fairly reduced, but fairly steady with a slight

471
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:45,800
precipitous decrease to this latest number on this past Sunday.

472
00:45:45,800 --> 00:46:01,500
So certainly the restrictions and the communication has proven to have an impact here, so we will continue staying close contact with the county.

473
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,340
We had a team's meeting with them today to review the current stage.

474
00:46:07,340 --> 00:46:17,740
They are considering or actually plan a further date to their water emergency plan.

475
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:26,320
They have encouraged wholesale customers, such as us, Oceanow Beach, et cetera, to wait

476
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:34,380
until they complete that to consider any further updates to our own water emergency plan.

477
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:39,200
So we will continue to monitor that and at the appropriate time,

478
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,420
bring forth any new recommendations for next season

479
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:44,440
or for the future.

480
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,340
Burn band continues to be, in effect,

481
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:54,640
I've not heard any substantial discussions

482
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,940
of that changing.

483
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,220
So that's kind of a baseline update.

484
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,860
There I'll talk about a few of our projects that

485
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:10,040
ongoing, either in planning or construction phase.

486
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:16,360
79th Street Signal, I got some updates about that this week.

487
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:24,800
The utility easement that the Council approved for the project was accepted.

488
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:32,580
The project has been submitted to the Federal Highway Administration for review and final

489
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:42,420
construction approval and the project continues on schedule to start construction near the end of calendar year,

490
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,020
2026.

491
00:47:47,950 --> 00:48:01,210
Also, actually tonight on your agenda and the consent, you approved a resolution to ask for funding for additional crosswalks

492
00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:09,730
that East O'Cowland Drive in 31st and 40th as well as a location on fish factory road that

493
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:14,810
would line up with the Dutchman Creek County Park.

494
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:23,110
I learned today that the decision timeline for these projects is likely December of this year

495
00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:27,590
when we will learn our fate as far as these projects request.

496
00:48:27,590 --> 00:48:42,590
Also notably earlier this year we talked about a crosswalk project at 58th and that project got off schedule because of some right of way complications.

497
00:48:42,590 --> 00:49:00,270
So I learned today that that project has been approved by Federal Highway and NCDOT to be brought forward into the FY27 project program.

498
00:49:00,830 --> 00:49:12,570
So that's good news for us that the project is going to be moving forward again without additional information or additional action on our project.

499
00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:17,630
So keep your posted as we learn more about that.

500
00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:18,890
It can quick question if I may.

501
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:25,550
So these three, are they taken on their own in terms of review and fish factor may be approved

502
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:27,410
but 31st may not be approved.

503
00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:32,070
Yeah, they will each stand on their own merits.

504
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:32,930
So just speak.

505
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:34,510
Thank you.

506
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:39,130
Next one.

507
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:41,070
So doing planting.

508
00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:49,330
The physical den planting wrapped up in June, a latter part of June, so it is now more than

509
00:49:49,330 --> 00:49:52,670
halfway through the 90-day monitoring stage.

510
00:49:53,850 --> 00:49:59,970
This photograph is on the the western end of the project where the

511
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:10,940
Actual Sand Placement included the Dune Burm adjacent to residential properties. This photo was taken

512
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:15,840
sometime in the early part of last week, provided by the contractor.

513
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:20,220
Myfit & Nickel is providing

514
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:27,400
the monitoring. They have placed out markers and they are doing periodic reviews through the 90-day

515
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:36,280
period to determine that end of that period, what amount and location of replanting will be required.

516
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:48,140
This factory road, we had to kind of face two improvements being scoped in the background.

517
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,320
But I wanted to talk tonight about seasonal impacts.

518
00:50:52,320 --> 00:51:02,980
We talked about the population or the visitor estimates of over 90,000 in July.

519
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:08,960
So, those visits have, obviously, have impact seasonally on our infrastructure.

520
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,560
And the Fish Factory plant is certainly one of those locations that experiences this.

521
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:24,940
just to give you a visual on, you know, turn over days, Saturdays, when, you know, hundreds of units are

522
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:34,640
turning over in a short window. They're being cleaned and tons of linens and sheets and so forth.

523
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:45,500
They're being laundered. That produces a, you know, considerable chemical load and creates an

524
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:51,840
balance at the plant. So our staff has been working over the past two weekends.

525
00:51:54,060 --> 00:52:02,700
To isolate the periods of time when the heaviest inflow of those chemicals is occurring

526
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:10,500
so that we can develop operational strategies going forward to make sure that the plant stays within the

527
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:16,160
the criterion limits required by the state permit.

528
00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:26,760
So little Davis Canal last week, I had a meeting with the

529
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,060
consultant.

530
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:32,600
They have completed their surveys and their studies and their analysis.

531
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:40,180
Somebody key findings I've talked about in the past the permit,

532
00:52:40,180 --> 00:52:47,080
permit for this canal contains a maintenance clause that's advantageous for potential future

533
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:47,560
dredging.

534
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:57,960
The consultant has determined that the approximate quantity of dredging is between

535
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:07,740
12 and 13,000 cubic yards of material that could potentially be removed after it's permitted.

536
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:18,320
and the cost approximately $2 million is the potential cost for doing that that

537
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:25,480
dredging. So we will be getting the consultants final reports later this month

538
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,840
likely the next steps after that will be a follow-up meeting with the

539
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:41,660
directly impacted property owners to share the findings and get some feedback and start to at least

540
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:51,560
loud a framework for council to consider as far as, you know, what next steps might be appropriate.

541
00:53:52,740 --> 00:54:00,720
So, what do you recall and can and making no assumptions that this will proceed, but did

542
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:06,720
the agreement with this particular contractor outlined support and identifying grants or

543
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,100
under other funding sources for the project outside of just the town covering it entirely.

544
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:22,720
And they actually articulated several of those that they are aware or have become aware of in

545
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:23,860
our meeting last week.

546
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:37,740
So can I I can attest to the fact that this area needs some attention, but we also have other areas of the area around southwest 15 they call it little pine island.

547
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:47,740
If you cross that bridge at Boatide, there is no water and folks have boats sitting on the mud, you know, so

548
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,160
I want to make sure that we don't look at this as just the only issue that we have.

549
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,980
We have other taxpayers who can't gain access to in and out of there.

550
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:15,360
Properly during low tide, more severe than the little Davis Canal. So I think we've got to be careful about how we approach this and do for some and not for others.

551
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:37,380
Yeah, point will take us not altogether clear the burden in the background of this, and it certainly may lead to some type of more comprehensive assessment or review of troublesome areas.

552
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:40,220
I can't correct me if I'm wrong.

553
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:46,520
When this first came to Council's attention, a group of homeowners in the Little Davis Canal

554
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:52,600
asked if we would do a feasibility study and if they would be responsible for the cost and

555
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,000
at no time did we put anything in the budget and my correct on that?

556
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,860
For this going forward.

557
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:07,360
Do my best knowledge, the only funds that the town has committed to was for the study, the

558
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:16,260
So, anything else that comes out of that, if grants don't come out of it, we've done some work for the people that live on Little Davis Canal.

559
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:24,520
We can give them that information, but we're not undertaking the project until five of us are done.

560
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:34,100
Correct. Yeah, we've not made any certainly no commitments or no emphasis to any of those owners.

561
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:41,080
only a handful, three or four, have been actively engaged with us in this process.

562
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,580
But the two million dollars cost is more than they thought they would hear.

563
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,300
And probably more than we thought we would hear.

564
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:56,200
Most likely, I honestly did not have a good idea of what the order of magnitude might be,

565
00:56:56,220 --> 00:57:01,380
but certainly it is even higher than I would likely have imagined.

566
00:57:01,380 --> 00:57:06,200
You know, I think it's fair to say that the town's been engaged with a couple of people.

567
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:12,600
That's because that neighborhood pointed those people correct to work with the town.

568
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:17,180
They're about 65 houses that sit on Little Davis Canal.

569
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,060
And when they have a meeting, they all come.

570
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,840
And they were prepared to take matters into their own hands a couple of years ago.

571
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,960
And I said, wait, wait, please reach out to the town.

572
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:40,680
At one point they were amenable to having a special assessment of something like $500 per

573
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,280
property.

574
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:44,700
Well, unfortunately, that's only $30,000.

575
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:45,840
What can you do?

576
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,060
What can you do with that?

577
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:56,820
But I just, you know, I think we have to proceed with caution and excluding some and excluding

578
00:57:57,940 --> 00:58:03,040
this group is taxpayers just like every other group in town and I don't want to turn my head

579
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,420
against these people. Just because we heard a nobody number but we need to not be

580
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:13,380
polyan and we need to know that there's not so much money in the tail and we have to be

581
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:17,220
do our duty elephants to see where we can find additional money before we can help people.

582
00:58:18,260 --> 00:58:22,980
To move forward on a discussion which we're having and we need this feasibility study was needed we

583
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:27,460
have it, and whatever you're finding, so I will bring it back, I have some dialogue.

584
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,580
But, you know, quick math, you know, that $2 million is equates to about $30,000 per

585
00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:33,820
impact at home.

586
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,660
And that's an awful lot of money for a very small group of homes.

587
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:48,200
But, and did this study provide any advice for the longevity of the canal after a

588
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:58,920
Project was completed, can they forecast the canal will maintain this depth for close to

589
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:04,300
extra years, so we can truly appreciate what sort of investment we're making, a one-year

590
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:07,520
enjoyment or a 10, 20-year.

591
00:59:08,140 --> 00:59:17,740
We did not discuss any of that part of recommendations last week, aside from a general comment

592
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:27,280
about the kind of importance of a ongoing maintenance-dredging program, which is logical, but.

593
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:35,340
So we will have to devote some time to discuss any of those kind of recommendations.

594
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,560
So water master plan is about 20% complete and work effort.

595
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,160
They have completed the kind of

596
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,420
kind of canvassing of the system.

597
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:59,320
They have identified around 1100 drainage structures in the town.

598
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:17,420
Through the droning kind of process, what's happening now is you may seek crews throughout town who are actually physically on the ground trying to physically locate and survey these structures.

599
01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:27,420
I know that they have found some locations where drainage structures had become buried or

600
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:34,700
inundated with sediment so that they're not working properly and things like that.

601
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:47,400
So this is a longer project extending through probably most of the first half of

602
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,760
updates as we get substantial new information.

603
01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:03,480
Streetpaving started by two to three weeks ago on the mainland portion.

604
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:09,640
The neighborhood streets that were included on the mainland section are complete.

605
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:19,460
Now the contractor will start some limited production primarily on the west end of

606
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:26,880
paving a few streets in the short term, and then they will ramp up and complete the project

607
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:32,960
after Labor Day once traffic starts to significantly dissipate.

608
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:43,250
Kai wants, we have received the camp permits, the consultant is preparing to bid advertisements.

609
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:58,210
And again, this is a 75% funded project by NCDE here, and this is on 31st Street behind the

610
01:01:58,210 --> 01:01:58,810
Rec Center.

611
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:10,080
And it was really excited about the movie night coming up on September 4th as kind of part

612
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:19,200
of a weekend of events for Sunset on Summer and then followed by the Sunset on Summer Music Festival

613
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,480
on Saturday.

614
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:28,600
So, Ian Todd and his group is done a nice job kind of adding, adding something that, you

615
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:35,220
know, we'll see what kind of feedback we get and consider for programming for next season.

616
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:35,760
So

617
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,640
that's my updates, so you're very, you're very first slide if I'm

618
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,820
a major auto on parking, yes sir.

619
01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:53,920
Through July 1,142,000, 27 dollars.

620
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:59,620
That is prior to auto taking out there 30 percent, is that correct?

621
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,840
Because we usually generate 1.2 million dollars in paid parking.

622
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,600
if we've already generated 1.1, 4 from rough numbers.

623
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,420
That is rough numbers without auto taking their 30.

624
01:03:13,340 --> 01:03:14,100
Yes, that is.

625
01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:16,100
First of all, this is gross numbers.

626
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,100
Still great numbers.

627
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,800
Thank you.

628
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:22,340
Any other questions?

629
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:23,600
All right.

630
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:24,180
Thank you.

631
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:24,340
Yep.

632
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:25,100
Thank you.

633
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:26,940
Okay.

634
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,260
Do we have any old business?

635
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:30,140
I don't believe we do.

636
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:32,840
Okay.

637
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,280
And we go on to new business.

638
01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:38,720
Item one has been removed, which brings us to item two.

639
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:43,460
Item two is the appeal 26 to ask 01290.

640
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,460
This is a quasi-judicial hearing.

641
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,700
So there's a couple of things on this.

642
01:03:49,220 --> 01:03:51,060
I'd like to explain how this process works.

643
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,540
The hearing on this matter is a quasi-judicial in nature,

644
01:03:55,740 --> 01:03:57,380
and we'll be conducted a manner to protect

645
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:00,000
the due process rights of the parties involved.

646
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:08,220
Members of the Council may ask questions of each witness after the witness testifies when questions are called for by me.

647
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,280
The testimony that witnesses give today shall be taken under oath.

648
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:21,020
If a witness wants the council to see written evidence, such as reports, maps, pictures or other exhibits, then here she should be familiar with the evidence.

649
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,840
It should explain the document and ask that it be introduced during during or at the end of his or her testimony.

650
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,900
And the attorneys who speak should not be a factual testimony but may summarize their client's

651
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:33,360
case.

652
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,820
After all testimony, the council will deliberate and make a final decision based on substantial

653
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:40,860
competent and material evidence in the record.

654
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,840
The council cannot make a decision based on evidence or information that is not part of the record.

655
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,200
The final decision of the council shall be reduced to writing and will include findings of fact

656
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,540
and conclusions of law.

657
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:59,090
We did not do a sign-up shake, correct?

658
01:04:59,650 --> 01:04:59,890
We did.

659
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,500
This is separate from a public hearing.

660
01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:05,900
Right. So, that's one of the things they have to have about a sign of sheet.

661
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,660
All right. So, at this time, we'll swear in any witnesses.

662
01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:14,160
For those who wish to come

663
01:05:32,590 --> 01:05:33,970
up.

664
01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:41,430
Left hand on the Bible, measure right, we have one more coming.

665
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,220
Measure right hand please. You solemnly swear that the evidence to give to the town council during this hearing

666
01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:51,000
shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth that I hope you got.

667
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,320
But do you want to do the council's conflicts or should I?

668
01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:09,400
You can go ahead and do it.

669
01:06:10,180 --> 01:06:14,860
Okay, before opening that, the hearing, council members should reveal any possible

670
01:06:14,860 --> 01:06:17,180
complex and withdraw from the use proceedings of necessary.

671
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:21,920
Complex included but not limited to a member having a fixed opinion prior to the hearing.

672
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,220
The manner that is not susceptible to change.

673
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:30,180
Undisclosed expartate communications, a close familiar business or other associational

674
01:06:30,180 --> 01:06:34,720
relationship of an affected person or a financial interest in the outcome of the matter.

675
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:38,980
If an objection is raised to a member's participation, that member does not accuse himself

676
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:43,660
or herself, the remaining member shall, by majority, both rule on the objection.

677
01:06:44,620 --> 01:06:50,120
Council members, at this time, does anyone have any conflicts that they are aware of?

678
01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:51,900
Okay, thank you.

679
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:55,800
Okay.

680
01:06:56,380 --> 01:06:59,820
So once again, in this hearing, we'll first hear from the town staff, then from the applicant

681
01:07:00,420 --> 01:07:03,980
and their witnesses, and then for many proponents or opponents that request.

682
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:09,720
The applicant may, if it chooses, reserve time at the end for a rebuttal, parties may cross

683
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,620
examine a witness after the witness testifies who questions are called for.

684
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,140
Again, reminder if you want the council to see written evidence.

685
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:20,300
Please make sure you're familiar with it and you include it in your testimony.

686
01:07:21,860 --> 01:07:26,300
With the guidance of the attorney I would correct you if you do not follow proper procedures,

687
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:27,880
and I will rule on all objections.

688
01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:30,900
Before you begin your testimony, please clearly

689
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:33,460
identify yourself and your address for the record.

690
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:36,860
There are no time limits on how long you may speak,

691
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:39,820
but I ask you to be considerate of everyone's time

692
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:41,340
and be concise with your comments.

693
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:43,760
Also, I can't a little stop any testimony

694
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,560
that is irrelevant to the application,

695
01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:48,860
not competent, unduly repetitive evidence

696
01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:51,080
already given for a personal attack.

697
01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:55,610
At this time, I now open the hearing,

698
01:07:55,610 --> 01:07:59,930
And I'll ask the town staff to make the presentation on this matter.

699
01:08:00,550 --> 01:08:06,610
Okay. Good evening. So we are here to hear in a pure case for 4906 East.

700
01:08:08,550 --> 01:08:14,690
To give you some case history like a timeline, a building permit was issued for the property in December of 2021.

701
01:08:15,110 --> 01:08:18,950
And that was to raise the existing home onto a new piling foundation.

702
01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:22,430
The piling's were installed, but the home is never raised.

703
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:28,370
Just as a note, building permits expire after 12 consecutive months of discontinued work.

704
01:08:29,310 --> 01:08:34,930
Notice of violations were first sent to the property owner on February 23, 2023.

705
01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:40,030
At least eight notice of isolation letters had been mailed to the property owner with no response.

706
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:46,710
Alternatively, staff moved the case over to minimum housing earlier this year.

707
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:50,970
It administrative warrant was executed on April 7th and staff

708
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:54,830
inspected the interior structure after we serve that warrant.

709
01:08:56,290 --> 01:08:59,610
We held a minimum housing hearing on April 29th of this year.

710
01:08:59,850 --> 01:09:00,930
The owner did attend.

711
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:08,290
However, the hearing was continued to allow the property owner to assemble some additional

712
01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:12,850
information and provide proof of contractor at that second hearing.

713
01:09:13,790 --> 01:09:18,770
The hearing was resumed on May 13th, but it did not attend that meeting.

714
01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:23,710
After reviewing evidence, the hearing officer, which is the Assistant Tom Manager, can

715
01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:27,810
Jackson determine the property to be in a dilapidated condition.

716
01:09:28,790 --> 01:09:34,430
Dilapidated means the required repairs exceed 50% of the tax value of the structure.

717
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:36,950
This does not include the value of the land.

718
01:09:37,350 --> 01:09:41,350
The tax value of the structure is 6,930 dollars.

719
01:09:41,350 --> 01:09:48,030
The estimated cost of her pairs were $130,000,000, $36,000.

720
01:09:49,350 --> 01:09:53,230
The minimum housing order was mailed to the owner and posted on the property.

721
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:59,050
The order ordered the demolition or removal of the structure within 90 days.

722
01:09:59,230 --> 01:09:59,750
The deadline.

723
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,560
Today, August 18th. And a pill application was received on May 27th, and that effectively paused the enforcement clock.

724
01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:15,440
So the condition of the property, why they were received and then on housing violations. So,

725
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:20,360
wiring, you know, electrical fixtures were in a state of disrepair. There's no heating facilities and good working condition.

726
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:28,740
There's a lack of exterior weatherproofing, rather proofing. And interior floors, walls and partitions were found to be in an unsound condition.

727
01:10:28,740 --> 01:10:31,680
sanitary facilities were in a non-working condition.

728
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:34,080
There is no hot or cold water supply.

729
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,320
The property was in an overall and sanitary condition

730
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,940
at the time of inspection.

731
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,100
There was a deceased animal on the property.

732
01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:43,340
There was an unsafe foundation.

733
01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:46,020
Means of egress, stairs, and porch.

734
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,140
And there were broken windows among other issues.

735
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:56,080
There's just a few pictures that we took on that inspection.

736
01:10:56,900 --> 01:11:05,680
This is showing the interior, this is the outside, and another interior photo, and then

737
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:10,300
some more steers, and that's Mr. Brick over there on the right, climb in the ladder to

738
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,800
get into the house,

739
01:11:14,620 --> 01:11:16,160
and that's all gone, Mr. Wind.

740
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:21,580
Well, thank you. At this time, do any members of the council have any questions for the town

741
01:11:21,580 --> 01:11:22,080
staff?

742
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:28,270
So, can you go back to your first, the timeline slide?

743
01:11:30,130 --> 01:11:38,190
Were there from, after the permits to install the new pilings, had there ever been any permits

744
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:43,590
of any kind ever submitted for work on the property since the main operating system?

745
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,060
They are eight letters were sent with no responses.

746
01:11:50,780 --> 01:11:53,580
Do we have an assurance that date letters were delivered?

747
01:11:55,580 --> 01:12:01,660
They were not all sent certified, so I don't have certified receipts, but we send them first class or certified.

748
01:12:01,940 --> 01:12:04,060
So I don't have receipts of all of them.

749
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:11,940
They're sent to the tax mailing address, so whatever address is on file with the county as they're mailing addresses where they go.

750
01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:18,480
If we can find out someone is living in another address, we will also send it to that address.

751
01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:24,340
But we didn't have any kind of information of a different address for this property owner.

752
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,040
And administrative war. What is an administrative war?

753
01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:32,260
So it's different than a warrant that a police officer would get.

754
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:35,880
It's someone like me a regular administrative staff member.

755
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,240
You kind of same process.

756
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,120
I have to go to the court house and get the administrative warrant, but it allows like zoning

757
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:50,220
staff or planning staff to be able to access a property and we of course take police officers

758
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:52,420
with us just in case.

759
01:12:54,120 --> 01:13:02,340
$130,000 is estimated to be repairs and that property is one block from the ocean.

760
01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:17,900
So, it is likely more the instruction that we give to our estimator is once you hit a certain number where it's clearly obvious that it's over 50% you can stop, we don't need the full gamut.

761
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:27,160
They also don't go and tear things apart to see the full breath of what those repairs might be. This is just a general overview.

762
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,200
I had one more question, sorry.

763
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,340
As part of the condition of determining the tax value,

764
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:39,660
did you all determine or have a opinion

765
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:43,020
on whether the new pylings are usable

766
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:47,460
or with that as part of the demolition

767
01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:52,720
with those two be required to be removed along with the structure itself?

768
01:13:53,540 --> 01:14:03,760
So the pilings themselves are not a residential structure so I wouldn't interpret that to mean that the pilings have to be removed and I want to say Mr. Brooks said the pilings looked good

769
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,720
So I don't think they need to be removed. The tax value comes from the county. It comes from the.

770
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:22,580
Okay, okay.

771
01:14:22,580 --> 01:14:27,740
Your recommendation was that the house is not able to be fixed.

772
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:30,700
It must be demolished and replaced, is that correct?

773
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:39,560
The statute says that if the repair cost is found to be over 50% the structure shall be removed

774
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:46,020
or demolished and so the hearing officer during the hearing found the property to be dilapidated

775
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:52,600
and the repairs to be 50% more or cost more than 50% of the tax value.

776
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:58,000
So the house that's on the property now is unable to be lifted and to be put on the

777
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:59,980
And that's the current state yet.

778
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:00,800
Okay.

779
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:15,020
To flesh, and this may be a question for, but to flesh out our role, we are not determining whether

780
01:15:15,020 --> 01:15:21,540
something can be fixed or whether something can be moved on to the existing pylings and then repaired.

781
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:28,820
We're being asked to determine if the required repairs exceed 50% of the tax value of the structure.

782
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:35,560
essentially I mean you're being asked to either affirm reverse or modify. And that's the

783
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:44,460
conclusion they made. The staff made. Okay. And I guess one more did have you shared with us

784
01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:51,600
anything demonstrating the tax value other than your PowerPoint slide. I believe I've put the tax

785
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,700
card in the agenda but if I didn't I can give it that is available on GIS it's publicly available

786
01:15:56,700 --> 01:16:03,020
anyone can look at it. But I assume we would need that today to treat it as part of her presentation, right?

787
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:10,350
Well, you have her testimony. Okay. Which you can choose to question not fair. Okay. Thank you.

788
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:16,440
To clarify, and Bob, you might need to answer this, sir.

789
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:23,460
Tom, these questions, are we saying? Are you saying that if it is, if we determine that it is more than

790
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:34,640
50% of the structure is in disregardless of what the builder says that he can or cannot do,

791
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:35,680
we don't care.

792
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:36,940
Is that what?

793
01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:44,560
Well, I mean, if the builder comes back and says that the cost to repair is less than 50%

794
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:50,960
of the tax value and property, then you have to decide who is testimony seen as reasonable

795
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:51,900
to you.

796
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:54,040
Thank you.

797
01:16:54,040 --> 01:17:02,020
And just to be clear for this board to overturn the appeal, we need four of us to vote in favor of the appeal and non-majority.

798
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:12,720
So just to be clear, so a three to two vote in favor of the appeal is insufficient to overturn the appeal.

799
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,680
Thank you.

800
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,600
Thank you.

801
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,120
Okay, at this time, we'll now hear from the applicant in the applicant witnesses.

802
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,160
I

803
01:17:26,740 --> 01:17:34,540
need Berkeley and I'm the property at 4906 East Beach.

804
01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:43,540
The Hurricane ICAS watched it back there and it took the house mover a long time to get

805
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:55,280
it straightened up near and I got my pal and seen it and repaired the framework and then

806
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:01,440
my health. I had just two weeks before the storm had opened heart surgery. I worked on it

807
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:02,840
and did not kind of loss my health.

808
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:10,360
So, I hadn't, my life has just been one thing after

809
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:16,540
another after another. And so I finally got to the point that I could get back to the house

810
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:26,280
I answered much of my mail or anything, but now I've gotten to where I cleaned up the

811
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:36,760
yard and boarded up the windows, cleaned out the house, and on the first hearing, I explained

812
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:43,520
this to everybody, and they said, come back, I said, I was doing it myself, but I think

813
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:50,940
need a contractor and David Wallace had told me when it happened he'd helped so I went to

814
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:58,940
him and I went back to the second hearing but it had happened a week ago and I'm just

815
01:18:58,940 --> 01:19:07,000
not good at linear time anymore and I didn't get any when I left the place I didn't have

816
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:13,500
the notes written down when the next date was and I made a mistake on the date and I meant

817
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:21,920
to come back, and David came with me, but it had already been done, and so all I'm trying

818
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:29,500
to do, I mean my family's own debt, probably since 62, and all I'm trying to do is get my

819
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:37,800
house, I didn't do this to put it on pile, and it's the hurricane washed it back, and I've

820
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:49,240
put it on pounds or wash it away again, but so that's all I want to do is get my house fixed

821
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:56,660
and I've got a contractor and we just the pounds are sitting. The permit hadn't changed.

822
01:19:56,660 --> 01:19:59,260
nothing changed since it got the permit to the house.

823
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:16,360
So, since I already had the permit, I don't understand other than my being sitting not answering the letter that this is happening when I'm trying to do is getting my house back in a way it was before the storm.

824
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:29,500
Did you receive those letters? The eight letters have were sent to you. I don't know. I was in and out a long COVID and short COVID and lost my daughter.

825
01:20:32,420 --> 01:20:39,360
And I would David now write in the letter about all that and we just got tired of all the bad luck.

826
01:20:40,180 --> 01:20:51,640
And since then David has received two notices that our appeal had been approved and all we had to do was pay $2,500.

827
01:20:52,420 --> 01:20:56,980
It came on town, it came on town letterhead.

828
01:20:57,460 --> 01:21:06,020
When did you receive time? Well, he'll have to tell you that I'm not good with dates. The first time he went down to get the permits.

829
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:14,920
Well, and at the first meeting, at that first hearing I said, well, can't I just go down and get my permits now?

830
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:23,980
And she said, well, oh no, you can try. And so we're just trying to get a permit and get my house put back up there.

831
01:21:23,980 --> 01:21:33,360
And, no matter what anybody says, I've read the Ocean Education Center as a project

832
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,160
supervisor.

833
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:44,600
I mean, I mean, number eight, beside the peer, the old skateboarding, and so I know

834
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:53,340
how to do things and I can do the fours just need to cover and the roof not leaking.

835
01:21:54,760 --> 01:22:03,340
And I've ordered the winters up and we just need to get it in the air and get a permit and we're just trying to get a permit and get it fixed and that's all.

836
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:08,360
Especially when they showed pictures of all the go, there's all kinds of stuff in the yard.

837
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:11,300
Yeah, that's all completely picked up mode now.

838
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:12,720
It needs no one against it.

839
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:15,280
It needs no one against it.

840
01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:19,500
Yeah, all that's, yeah, yes.

841
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,920
We can go over there now if you want to.

842
01:22:23,060 --> 01:22:24,780
I just have to ask you, sir, thank you.

843
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:25,300
Yes, sir.

844
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,360
Yes, it's all picked up.

845
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,860
The questions from Mr. Lee?

846
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:41,580
So do you have any quotes for the cost of moving it and bringing it up to code?

847
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,860
Well, the first thing we got to do is get it on the pile.

848
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,840
And we got to get back with the house mover.

849
01:22:48,840 --> 01:23:00,420
And it was about $2,000 worth of materials for the stringers and framing, and then he sits

850
01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:11,060
it up there, and then I need to put some siden and a cover of the floor and put my cabinets

851
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:12,740
back into kitchen.

852
01:23:12,740 --> 01:23:18,160
The walls are painted, everything's electric still run and everything.

853
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,460
We'll have to check it because the storm washed the house back.

854
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:33,020
We'd never had water in our yard up to the in their garden covered grass and since they built

855
01:23:33,020 --> 01:23:44,540
publics, all the energy that could, the ocean could go in and out, hits that raised seven

856
01:23:44,540 --> 01:23:52,260
acres or four acres, so it can't disperse, so it mounts up and that's, did my neighbor's

857
01:23:52,260 --> 01:23:55,420
car wash loose and knocked my house over.

858
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:04,040
So anyway, I'm just trying to get it fixed up and if it's not one thing, it's those letters

859
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:13,120
are asked for $2,500 for the permit and we were going to pay it and it was on the town letter

860
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:23,000
here and so we David finally came down here yesterday because he got a second notice and the town

861
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,160
it was a scam.

862
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:33,080
So we thought that we were okay that our thing had been passed. And then

863
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:38,100
we hear that they're changing the rules and I'm scared that changing the rules so they won't

864
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:45,860
pass mine. So it's just the torture never stops. It's one thing after another and I'm just trying

865
01:24:45,860 --> 01:24:47,180
get my house fixed.

866
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,800
Mr. Wallace, do you have something you like to add with force?

867
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,080
Mm-hmm.

868
01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:59,970
So there's Mr. Lee said, excuse me, you know, he's a haste.

869
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,740
I'm trying to get this property back in place and he's hired me to help him. I've been building here since 1990's. I'm very experienced and you know, we just we just want to move forward. So I'm really hearing more to ask there are any questions you all might have for me.

870
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:24,400
I'm going to ask you real quick a question about the permit. So you received a letter on town and letter had that said the permit was approved.

871
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,840
Yes, sir, I had Mr. Jack to his name on it.

872
01:25:26,940 --> 01:25:29,520
I would like to send y'all all the copy of it.

873
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,720
You know it, too, because I brought to the town,

874
01:25:31,780 --> 01:25:32,780
they told me it was a scandal.

875
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,020
Yeah, for those of you who aren't aware,

876
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,300
the applicant who filed for the business license also received

877
01:25:39,780 --> 01:25:41,900
a request for money to get there.

878
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:42,540
It would be wired.

879
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,220
And they felt the same thing.

880
01:25:44,220 --> 01:25:48,380
So I think that someone is pulling the public records off of our agenda

881
01:25:48,380 --> 01:25:51,160
because he thought, and it was the same amount to him, too.

882
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,960
to ask him to wire $28, $100 yesterday.

883
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,400
And he's going to go ahead of the board,

884
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:56,540
this, this, this, this.

885
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,260
I think someone is pulling it off

886
01:25:58,260 --> 01:25:59,720
or, you know, the public information.

887
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,340
I had, it looked just like some other

888
01:26:01,340 --> 01:26:01,900
in the town.

889
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,820
Ask you to watch, ask the applicant to wire money.

890
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:05,820
Yeah, well, yes, sir.

891
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,820
They asked me to do it, $28, $200.

892
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:09,940
And but doing, I try to do it.

893
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:11,400
It said, I had to do it that day,

894
01:26:11,660 --> 01:26:13,540
which kind of, put a red flag in there.

895
01:26:13,540 --> 01:26:16,220
And it says something about our planning commission.

896
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:17,820
It's something we don't have.

897
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,740
There's two thing, it just, I mean,

898
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:20,420
It looks.

899
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,260
Kudos to you for catching that, because I said I had to do it that day as well, that's

900
01:26:24,260 --> 01:26:25,460
it's all right.

901
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:26,760
So I can't bother to tell him.

902
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:32,220
Mr. Wallace, if I can ask you, in your professional opinion, as a builder, can this property

903
01:26:32,220 --> 01:26:33,460
be rehabilitated?

904
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:36,540
Yes, sir, I believe so.

905
01:26:37,340 --> 01:26:41,500
The first thing we'll probably do is bring in the engineer to look at the house and I would

906
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:42,800
like for him to inspect the policy.

907
01:26:42,900 --> 01:26:48,320
I know they were put in and Mr. Lee has all the information we need on that, but I still like

908
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,500
engineer look at pounds and then also you've got to look at the house and see if we can if we can't

909
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:57,560
lift it and put it up on top of the pounds but I don't see why we cannot. I've done several

910
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:03,400
of them. I don't see why we cannot but you never do you get an engineer to take it as after

911
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:08,560
what you're going to do you you never know 100%. So if the engineer signs off on it then your company

912
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:14,220
would start fixing the floor, fixing the walls, fixing the... Yes, it would get raised and start

913
01:27:14,220 --> 01:27:20,920
make it habitable. Yes sir. We'll bring it back there and compliance. So all the questions

914
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:27,480
I've heard are really good, but I think they're getting away from what our task is tonight.

915
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:35,880
So my question to you, Mr. Wallace. Do you disagree with the assessment that the cost of repairs

916
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:42,420
are going to be more than 50% of the tax value of this property? So I knew as we asked that

917
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,240
I don't know it attacks value if no way. I don't. I don't recall.

918
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:51,600
I say you $6,930 according to Brunswick County.

919
01:27:51,860 --> 01:27:52,680
It's what I'm sorry.

920
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:58,140
$6,930 according to the Brunswick County registry.

921
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,260
There's the tracking the land out of it.

922
01:28:01,260 --> 01:28:02,540
It doesn't include the land.

923
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,240
It's just the structure that's sitting on the ground.

924
01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:10,700
The county has said it's worth $6,930 and that's what.

925
01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:14,600
And that's what the owner is being taxed all.

926
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:19,700
Wait, you know, you're not going to do it for less than 50% of $6,900, right?

927
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,780
So you don't, you, you, you, that's in Pasta.

928
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,720
I mean, you're looking, I mean, I saw that one estimate was 130.

929
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:25,940
Yeah.

930
01:28:25,940 --> 01:28:28,860
And then you're probably looking at 130, 180 somewhere, right?

931
01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:31,440
Okay. So that, that was my question was.

932
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:37,800
The assessment that our hearing officer made is correct.

933
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,840
That house cannot be repaired for less than 50% of...

934
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,580
For less than 7,000 dollars a night.

935
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:44,700
I mean, you can't.

936
01:28:46,540 --> 01:28:49,120
If it's only 7,000 dollars, there's no way.

937
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:49,840
You know, it's impossible.

938
01:28:51,700 --> 01:28:52,880
So, thank you for pointing that out.

939
01:28:52,900 --> 01:28:55,820
That's exactly what we're being asked for tonight,

940
01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:00,660
as to if we decide to override or to approve the appeal,

941
01:29:00,980 --> 01:29:03,360
then we disagree with the findings of staff.

942
01:29:04,340 --> 01:29:06,480
And I just want to make that clear.

943
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:35,960
Well, just to make it even more clear, Mr. Lee and Mr. Rollas, what we are asked to do tonight under state statute is to ask the question that Councilwoman Carter just asked to staff went to the site listed items that brought them to that determination that it meets the dilapidated statutory defined definition utilizing that county tax.

944
01:29:36,620 --> 01:29:40,820
assessment, and then came up with an estimated cost of repairs.

945
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:50,100
They made their finding, and they would have been asked our interim town manager.

946
01:29:50,540 --> 01:29:57,600
He would have been the determining figure in that evaluation, and the exact same question would have been asked of him.

947
01:29:57,780 --> 01:29:59,980
And again, these are all driven by state structure.

948
01:30:01,020 --> 01:30:22,500
So, our hands are tied simply to answer, did the previous evaluation either the calculation of the estimated cost of repairs, was that incorrect, so that the final evaluation that it does or does not exceed 50% was incorrect, or is it accurate?

949
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:41,640
And so that's the, it's a simple question, it's a hard question given all the other reasons that have been shared but that is the very straightforward question that we're being asked as again dictated by state law not our local ordinances or our personal opinions.

950
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:57,260
And just to add a note to that, we're looking at a figure that says estimated cost of repairs, but as we heard the planning manager say, when the assessor, the estimator, reaches a certain point, they're told to just stop and not go any further.

951
01:30:57,260 --> 01:31:03,460
And if you can repair that house for $130,000 on a sign of contract, somebody tomorrow

952
01:31:03,460 --> 01:31:06,940
to build a house, because it down here, it just doesn't happen.

953
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:10,640
It's going to be way more than $130,000.

954
01:31:11,480 --> 01:31:14,620
Do we have any more questions for Mr. Walls?

955
01:31:16,130 --> 01:31:16,430
Thank you.

956
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:16,730
Okay.

957
01:31:16,830 --> 01:31:17,170
Thank you.

958
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:20,240
Yeah.

959
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:21,360
Well, certainly.

960
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:22,480
Thanks.

961
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:26,460
I feel like I'm...

962
01:31:29,310 --> 01:31:40,590
think you guys can either do not or my appeal or turn it down. And I don't think it really

963
01:31:40,590 --> 01:31:45,500
matters about the evidence is the vote.

964
01:31:48,940 --> 01:31:50,480
I don't understand what you're saying there.

965
01:31:51,600 --> 01:32:00,360
I mean, I agree that it's going to cost more than half a $6,900. But it was going to cost

966
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:06,440
more than $6,900 bucks. When I got the first permit, the only thing different with the house

967
01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:10,820
now is they're not going to win this out and I didn't answer some letters.

968
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:16,620
The house was more

969
01:32:16,620 --> 01:32:21,800
than that, then but it was perfectly fine. Everybody else could do it when the hurricane got

970
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:31,760
there stormed. I got sick and couldn't catch up. And we understood. I can't afford to tear it down.

971
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:36,100
I've got to put it back to where I can,

972
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:42,180
I've been living in the Katmoscov Motel and so since then.

973
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,740
And the town had my phone numbered,

974
01:32:44,740 --> 01:32:48,060
call me if things were getting this bad

975
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:50,800
and they found me dead a couple days before the first hearing.

976
01:32:53,020 --> 01:33:00,840
So I don't know except that I think that there's not as black

977
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:07,140
white is those numbers right there because I think that my appeal can be approved.

978
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:17,710
And I'm not saying that town staff did anything wrong, but they looked at it from the point

979
01:33:17,710 --> 01:33:21,270
of view of being able to go ahead and tear it down.

980
01:33:24,620 --> 01:33:30,020
Instead of, well, this house, everything's the same as it was after the hurricane.

981
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,720
What's changed in us?

982
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,720
I'm staffed for you last?

983
01:33:39,340 --> 01:33:46,280
I was just going to say that if my presentation and staff report into the record.

984
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:49,200
Thank you.

985
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:51,280
Taylor, if...

986
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,520
Any last questions for...

987
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:54,600
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

988
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:57,080
Excuse me.

989
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:02,100
If it is condemned, the town would then tear the property down.

990
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:10,420
So, Mr. Lee still has about 60 days or so on his enforcement clock to do the work himself.

991
01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:18,480
So to demolish the property or remove the property, he can move the property out of town limits.

992
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:21,820
He still has time to do that.

993
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:28,200
If at the end of that clock, so after we do the hearing now and y'all sign the findings of that,

994
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:32,180
the clock, it doesn't restart, but it starts where it left off.

995
01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:38,300
If, after that time, the property has not been demolished or moved, then yes.

996
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:44,060
The town at that point would move forward themselves to have it demolished.

997
01:34:44,260 --> 01:34:46,200
And then put a link on that lander.

998
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:52,100
The cost incurred by the town to do that work would be invoiced to the property owner

999
01:34:52,100 --> 01:34:56,620
and then after 30 days if it had not been paid then yes, it would be placed as a lane.

1000
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,740
How many days did you say that he has left?

1001
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,840
Here's about 60. 60, 60, 60.

1002
01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:11,700
Is condemnation usually used as a reset button or is it used

1003
01:35:14,230 --> 01:35:17,910
as a taking property button?

1004
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:24,330
So we're not taking any property. This isn't imminent domain. Mr. Lee still owns the land.

1005
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:30,610
Any other questions?

1006
01:35:31,190 --> 01:35:33,410
Just one other question Taylor for clarification.

1007
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:42,510
You showed us that after the hurricane or the hurricane permit was issued December 2021.

1008
01:35:44,130 --> 01:35:49,270
It was a duration of 12 months and so it expired December 2022.

1009
01:35:50,890 --> 01:35:56,090
But after that time, there was no contact from the owner about on the extension.

1010
01:35:56,090 --> 01:36:00,410
and nothing until we started these proceedings.

1011
01:36:01,270 --> 01:36:04,290
As far as I can see in the fall for that property,

1012
01:36:04,510 --> 01:36:05,150
there's nothing.

1013
01:36:11,900 --> 01:36:12,500
Thank you.

1014
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:17,220
Come back, fine.

1015
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:19,940
OK.

1016
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,680
So with this time, we make the hearing open.

1017
01:36:25,300 --> 01:36:26,380
Is there further discussion

1018
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,580
between the council members?

1019
01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:32,520
Mayor, I need to come to me.

1020
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:33,880
I'm going to have to speak.

1021
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,100
I've got to come forward if we want to speak.

1022
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:40,620
OK.

1023
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:47,840
As there's no more discussion, I will close the public hearing portion and begin deliberation.

1024
01:36:54,930 --> 01:36:59,630
At this time, you have multiple motions that should possible motions, the council may

1025
01:36:59,630 --> 01:37:05,110
reverse or affirm, hold your partly, or may modify the decision or order a appeal from

1026
01:37:05,110 --> 01:37:09,970
it may make any decision or that is, in its opinion, ought to be made in the matter.

1027
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:13,610
And to that end, it has all the powers of the public officer.

1028
01:37:13,610 --> 01:37:14,630
All

1029
01:37:16,900 --> 01:37:22,780
right, it will require four members of the Council as necessary to reverse or modify any decision.

1030
01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:30,050
Okay, the Council also has power and passing upon appeals when unnecessary hardships of

1031
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:34,770
result from carrying out the strict letter of the ordinance to adapt the application of the ordinance to

1032
01:37:34,770 --> 01:37:40,810
the necessities of the case to end that the spirit of the ordinance of the deserve is observed public safety and

1033
01:37:40,810 --> 01:37:43,670
welfare secured and substantial justice done.

1034
01:37:43,670 --> 01:37:44,270
So,

1035
01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:51,940
at this time, do I have any motion or discussion from the council?

1036
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,760
I believe we want to have a pass of motion prior than to have a discussion.

1037
01:37:59,140 --> 01:38:09,100
Well, we need to make a decision, and the decision is, you know, best what's the binding.

1038
01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:15,300
You can discuss all you want after the decision, but the decision is final, once we make a decision.

1039
01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:23,220
We would either have a motion to uphold the hearing officer or to override the hearing officer

1040
01:38:23,220 --> 01:38:24,260
and then a discussion.

1041
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:25,640
And modify.

1042
01:38:26,860 --> 01:38:34,800
I think there are draft orders to affirm or to reverse in your agenda packets.

1043
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:35,900
Sorry, just one.

1044
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,940
If you do not have to pass a motion first before we can have a discussion.

1045
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:47,800
I mean, someone can make a motion to reverse or to, because this is a hearing and I have other discussion.

1046
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,520
Yeah. And this one, the discussion is prior to the motion.

1047
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,600
So that I'm clear, because this is the first time any of us have really done this.

1048
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,040
We're all learning as we go.

1049
01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:07,820
It's really not about what our hearts or heads think.

1050
01:39:07,820 --> 01:39:10,840
It is the black and white by state statues.

1051
01:39:11,660 --> 01:39:14,780
If the repairs exceed that 50% value,

1052
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:18,300
we don't really have a lot of wiggle room,

1053
01:39:20,150 --> 01:39:21,730
because I personally am very torn by it.

1054
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:23,530
This is something I take very serious,

1055
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:26,550
but I also realized that there's some state statues

1056
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:30,650
involved here, that my heart didn't really get to.

1057
01:39:32,380 --> 01:39:33,500
Bob, your thoughts on it?

1058
01:39:33,900 --> 01:39:37,100
Really, the choices are affirmed and I commodify somehow.

1059
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:45,960
Now, you know, what kind of modification would be in order, if any, in order, would be, I think, a council discussion,

1060
01:39:48,260 --> 01:39:50,040
you have the evidence in front of you.

1061
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:50,660
I might may.

1062
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:51,680
Certainly.

1063
01:39:52,540 --> 01:39:56,000
Bob, the phrase on necessary hardship.

1064
01:39:57,140 --> 01:39:59,980
How does that enter into this if we work?

1065
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,020
Number rule that can dim the property tonight. But we think there's unnecessary hardship on a gentleman

1066
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:11,200
that's gone through COVID, gone through losing his daughter, gone through different things.

1067
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:18,060
That might be a basis for some kind of modification. And you know, you're necessary hardship

1068
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:24,080
in this context is different than the necessary hardship in the context of a board of adjustment

1069
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:29,660
being asked to grant the variance, you know, it's not the same thing because the circumstances

1070
01:40:29,660 --> 01:40:35,120
are different. You know, they're still supposed to be some hardship that's attached to the

1071
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:41,880
condition of the property. Personal hardship is not necessarily a basis for the determination

1072
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:48,780
of unnecessary hardship, because it's separated from the condition of the property. Is it not true

1073
01:40:48,780 --> 01:40:51,420
that every property comes to be condemned.

1074
01:40:51,860 --> 01:40:55,600
Once it gets to that point, it's value is only $6,000,000,

1075
01:40:55,940 --> 01:40:58,700
so every property that comes before a board to be condemned.

1076
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:01,720
Well, so I'm not sure if it's $15%.

1077
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:02,380
Well, I'm sure you.

1078
01:41:02,900 --> 01:41:09,440
I mean, it's possible that depends on how damaged the property is.

1079
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:13,040
I mean, here, again, you have in front of you photographs

1080
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:18,520
and testimony about what the condition of the property

1081
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:23,320
was or was on April 6th and presumably is close to today.

1082
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:30,080
And the town has has nothing to do with the value establishing the value.

1083
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:40,240
Brunswick County sent an assessor out and the assessor determined the value and property owners can appeal.

1084
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:40,920
That's right.

1085
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:46,980
So Brunswick County, the determination of value of your property, which you have to do that within so many days.

1086
01:41:46,980 --> 01:41:50,800
And so the town didn't establish this number.

1087
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:55,900
This isn't a low-ball number that the town came up with, the county.

1088
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:00,760
And the statute does provide that it is the tax value of the property as it appears

1089
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,260
on the latest assessment role.

1090
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:13,200
So we don't have, we as a staff don't have a authority to change that.

1091
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,200
It is what it is currently.

1092
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:23,500
So even if we were to modify the determination,

1093
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:28,000
how does one, what would a modification look?

1094
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:39,220
Would we give, for example, instead of 60 more days to execute the either removal

1095
01:42:39,220 --> 01:42:48,480
or demolition could we give six months to work on the property, but there wouldn't be

1096
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:55,060
a new tax assessment that would then potentially increase the value of the property to

1097
01:42:55,060 --> 01:43:02,420
then get him closer to the 50% and outside of the. So I guess you're offering a modification

1098
01:43:02,420 --> 01:43:05,720
about what modification could possibly help a hardship.

1099
01:43:06,260 --> 01:43:10,320
It seems like a circle, a little kind of whirlpool.

1100
01:43:12,300 --> 01:43:18,500
Yeah, because if we were to say, here's 10 more years,

1101
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:23,240
that the extension would just be extending the previous finding,

1102
01:43:23,460 --> 01:43:25,760
which was the result of that finding,

1103
01:43:25,780 --> 01:43:27,300
which you have to demolish or remove.

1104
01:43:27,620 --> 01:43:31,780
It doesn't give theoretically, he could rebuild this home,

1105
01:43:31,780 --> 01:43:34,960
And at the end of the 10 years, he would still have to demolish it or remove it.

1106
01:43:35,460 --> 01:43:40,440
Right, and there is a finding that could have been made that's less than the

1107
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:49,020
lapidation. That is if the cost to repair was less than 50% of the taxable value of the property.

1108
01:43:49,780 --> 01:43:56,220
Then a different order could have been made. But again, we're stuck with the fact that we have here.

1109
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:06,280
You know, might the board say, you know, we'll give you six months to bring it up to

1110
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:11,280
stuff and if you haven't done that then, you know, I have 30 days to demolish, the board might

1111
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:12,500
be able to say that.

1112
01:44:12,740 --> 01:44:13,880
It's not appeal by anybody.

1113
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:19,520
Can I ask a question about that if that, because I don't want us to go down that path.

1114
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:26,700
If we were to give that timeline, is it inappropriate as to ask the homeowner just he

1115
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:32,160
have the finances in order to do that, because that one is contingent to the other.

1116
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:37,940
If we give him time, but he still doesn't have the financial ability and I'm not speaking

1117
01:44:37,940 --> 01:44:38,560
for your financial.

1118
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:42,440
I'm just trying to ask the question, is that inappropriate question for us to ask?

1119
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:48,320
Well, I think it's a fair question to ask, because you have to see how realistic it

1120
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:55,380
So to that point, if there's any chance that we're going to look for some kind of modification,

1121
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:59,980
I'm going to ask for the hearing to be reopened because I have a law.

1122
01:45:00,140 --> 01:45:04,840
A lot of questions. Agreed. Well, it would be required to bring it up to us now.

1123
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:16,420
To who we have the option to hold the hearing a decision on this until the next council meeting?

1124
01:45:16,820 --> 01:45:18,280
Or do we have to act tonight?

1125
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:22,200
You don't have to act tonight. The record is closed, though.

1126
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:27,380
So there's no room for the introduction of new evidence or testimony.

1127
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:39,780
If the council needs time to kind of turn it around in their minds and then come back next time and be ready to make a decision, I mean that's perfectly legal.

1128
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:47,240
When we open the hearing for new evidence at the next council because there's no need to us around.

1129
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:48,860
We're all in a learning curve.

1130
01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:53,180
What, while you're here tonight, you could make a,

1131
01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:56,520
someone can make a motion to reconsider the motion

1132
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:00,640
to close the hearing, I would leave the hearing open,

1133
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:04,280
continue the hearing until you, next regularly scheduled meeting.

1134
01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:05,980
I'm just thinking about this procedurally.

1135
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,940
I mean, it's still, I still ever talk in some ways,

1136
01:46:09,300 --> 01:46:10,620
but I'm not saying right.

1137
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,400
Yeah, I'm not suggesting that we do reopen the hearing.

1138
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:14,360
I'm just saying,

1139
01:46:16,730 --> 01:46:19,270
if we're going to talk about something

1140
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:22,190
besides, I guess, or no, then I have a lot of questions.

1141
01:46:22,650 --> 01:46:25,390
But people in terms of appreciating process,

1142
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:30,510
if we were to reconsider the motion to close and essentially

1143
01:46:30,510 --> 01:46:33,070
bring it to an ex-meeting, we don't

1144
01:46:33,070 --> 01:46:36,190
we continue to not discuss this topic amongst ourselves

1145
01:46:36,190 --> 01:46:39,090
or anyone else, just like any other question.

1146
01:46:40,090 --> 01:46:43,330
And I think Councilman Carter, maybe,

1147
01:46:43,550 --> 01:46:47,990
is getting at is if something was paused and reopened,

1148
01:46:47,990 --> 01:47:17,240
There would be a lot of questions I assume as to what it means to bring this property up to code and documents outlining a dollar figure and sensitive public questions being asked of a resident and their ability to pay in a timely manner just trying to outline the delicacy of what we would be discussing in public.

1149
01:47:20,140 --> 01:47:23,820
If I could, I think, you know, to the applicant, I mean, you have been through Helen

1150
01:47:23,820 --> 01:47:30,560
back with health issues and family issues and you know, my heart goes out to you and

1151
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:34,720
we've all, you know, have had a huge cross to bear individually as well.

1152
01:47:35,580 --> 01:47:38,680
My concern is the pollings were placed five years ago.

1153
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:44,700
And if we should be decided to delay this for six months or year, then we could

1154
01:47:44,700 --> 01:47:52,660
potential you back in the same exact situation, and I think that five years has been sufficient,

1155
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:58,640
eight letters, multiple hearings, and if we just continue this, I just don't think we're actually

1156
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:06,040
going to come to fruition to an endgame. So I would like to make a motion to approve the ordinance

1157
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:10,800
ordering further proceedings under the purpose of the town of Oak Island, minimum housing code,

1158
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:14,300
in general statute 160D article 12 as presented.

1159
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:16,240
Second.

1160
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,720
Okay, we do have a motion on the table.

1161
01:48:22,490 --> 01:48:23,830
All those in favor of that motion?

1162
01:48:24,190 --> 01:48:24,730
It's her discussion.

1163
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:26,730
Yep.

1164
01:48:27,010 --> 01:48:28,030
We can have more discussion.

1165
01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:32,190
We were kicking around a modification.

1166
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:39,690
I'd like to ask Mr. Wallace if six months if he could accomplish what all needs to be accomplished in six months.

1167
01:48:40,250 --> 01:48:41,390
So we can't do that.

1168
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:51,800
That's part of the here which is closed, okay, okay,

1169
01:48:55,670 --> 01:48:56,690
other discussion?

1170
01:49:01,750 --> 01:49:07,370
Well, I can appreciate Bob's point and we may end up back here and this might irritate some people.

1171
01:49:20,740 --> 01:49:22,040
Yeah, you say it.

1172
01:49:25,180 --> 01:49:25,800
It's okay.

1173
01:49:25,980 --> 01:49:27,700
I want to be able to live with my decision.

1174
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:35,300
So I would like us to reconsider to maybe modify this. Sorry, y'all.

1175
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,400
If nobody else is willing, that's fine.

1176
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:44,440
But I would like us to consider that.

1177
01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:46,380
I'd like to consider that, too.

1178
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:47,140
This bottom.

1179
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:49,240
I see y'all's point.

1180
01:49:49,420 --> 01:49:50,180
I really do.

1181
01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:56,380
My heart, when I read the conditions of what has happened since 2021 or since the storm.

1182
01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:59,700
It breaks my heart.

1183
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,420
It's unfortunate, and it's sad.

1184
01:50:05,490 --> 01:50:31,370
We as a council have held Taylor and Taylor staffs, I think, to the fire over code enforcement. We have beat them to death. What have you done about this property? What have you done about that property? And we continue to make it a priority for this council. If we don't uphold this tonight,

1185
01:50:32,090 --> 01:50:39,970
I don't want to ever hear anybody say anything else about minimum housing or code violations.

1186
01:50:43,530 --> 01:50:50,890
It's a sad situation, but the evidence is clear this is gone on for six years.

1187
01:50:56,020 --> 01:50:56,400
Understood.

1188
01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:57,840
Any other comments?

1189
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,760
Okay, we do have a motion on the table to affirm the decision.

1190
01:51:03,820 --> 01:51:04,500
All those in favor?

1191
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:13,860
All those opposed? Motion does pass. No, no, there's nothing. No, you're affirming. Not modified.

1192
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:17,480
You're going to be a four vote today and get four votes.

1193
01:51:19,460 --> 01:51:21,420
I thought you don't need no votes.

1194
01:51:21,420 --> 01:51:24,280
Only for votes should modify the reverse.

1195
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:25,260
Correct. Correct.

1196
01:51:25,700 --> 01:51:27,380
To affirm you only need a majority.

1197
01:51:27,460 --> 01:51:31,780
It's a simple majority to affirm to reverse or modify is a super majority.

1198
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:32,300
Yes.

1199
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,840
So, if those pass, three, two.

1200
01:51:45,860 --> 01:51:48,120
That does conclude the quasi-judicial hearing process.

1201
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,000
I'm not sure if the process for this.

1202
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:52,180
We do have an order.

1203
01:51:52,380 --> 01:51:54,680
Does that need to circulate its counsel for them to,

1204
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:55,780
from, at this point?

1205
01:51:55,780 --> 01:51:58,120
I think it would be best to have it circulated among Council

1206
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:00,300
just to make sure they're all comfortable with it.

1207
01:52:04,940 --> 01:52:06,120
Take one and pass one down please.

1208
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:07,960
One, two, three,

1209
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:13,920
two,

1210
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:30,500
three, two.

1211
01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:31,860
I appreciate which you're saying.

1212
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:38,080
All right.

1213
01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:48,060
With that, we do continue on to item three, consideration of approval for an ordinance ordering

1214
01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:52,440
further proceedings under the purpose of the town of Oak Island, minimum housing code, General

1215
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:54,700
statute, 160 D. R. Goodswell.

1216
01:52:57,870 --> 01:53:00,250
Do I need, I'm sorry. Can you on the second floor?

1217
01:53:00,710 --> 01:53:04,210
Do I need some kind of action from Council to a firm this order or?

1218
01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:10,330
I think that you ought to approve the form of the order. We need to approve the form of the

1219
01:53:10,330 --> 01:53:16,210
signed and filed, and that would mark the time for someone who wants anyone wants to appeal,

1220
01:53:17,330 --> 01:53:22,410
the time to appeal begins when the signed order is filed with the clerk.

1221
01:53:27,150 --> 01:53:31,350
So we do need a motion to approve the form of this order.

1222
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:33,490
Okay.

1223
01:53:33,490 --> 01:53:34,010
So moved.

1224
01:53:35,050 --> 01:53:35,510
One second.

1225
01:53:36,270 --> 01:53:37,050
Back in.

1226
01:53:37,110 --> 01:53:37,390
Okay.

1227
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:38,590
All those in favor?

1228
01:53:41,330 --> 01:53:42,190
All those in both.

1229
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:44,760
Those in passes.

1230
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:49,540
That brings us to the next.

1231
01:53:52,740 --> 01:53:55,900
And I just had a question about that order.

1232
01:53:56,180 --> 01:53:58,560
Will that be signed tonight so that I can provide a game?

1233
01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:04,420
So our next one is going to be a minimum housing ordinance adoption.

1234
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,340
So we're at the end of the minimum housing process for this address.

1235
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,480
And it's 43.08 East O'Connor drive.

1236
01:54:13,740 --> 01:54:15,240
So again, some cases, right?

1237
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,580
Notice of violations refers mail to this property owner

1238
01:54:18,580 --> 01:54:20,160
in September of 2020.

1239
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:22,960
At least 13 notice of violation letters

1240
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,260
to the property owner with net response.

1241
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:30,860
Alternatively, we pursued the case as minimum housing in early 2026.

1242
01:54:32,020 --> 01:54:34,900
An administrative warrant was executed on April 7th

1243
01:54:34,900 --> 01:54:37,300
and staff inspected the interior of the structure.

1244
01:54:38,220 --> 01:54:41,020
The minimum housing hearing was held on April 29th.

1245
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:45,700
The owners did not attend, however, several adjacent property owners did.

1246
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:51,180
After reviewing the evidence, the hearing officer found the property to be in a dilapidated condition.

1247
01:54:51,180 --> 01:54:59,980
Again, dilapidated means the cost of require repairs exceed 50% of the tax value of the structure, and that does not include...

1248
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:13,020
The tax value of this structure was $128,940. The estimated cost of repairs was $94,666. And again, once they

1249
01:55:13,020 --> 01:55:18,760
hit a certain number, we tell them to stop. And it's not an in-depth estimate. It's a broad view.

1250
01:55:20,420 --> 01:55:25,460
The order was issued in order of the demolition of the structure of the 90 days. Again, the deadline

1251
01:55:25,460 --> 01:55:31,740
was today, August 18th, the condition of the property or why they received that violation.

1252
01:55:32,660 --> 01:55:36,760
They are found to failure to maintain heating facilities in a safe and good working condition,

1253
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:40,540
failure to maintain electrical fixtures, equipment and wiring in a state of good repair.

1254
01:55:41,140 --> 01:55:46,580
Failure to maintain a roof, the roof was allowing water intrusion and it was damaging the walls in the floors.

1255
01:55:47,140 --> 01:55:52,820
Failure to maintain sanitary facilities in a good working condition, failure to provide hot and cold water supply,

1256
01:55:52,820 --> 01:55:58,220
failure to maintain property in a sanitary condition, also there's overgrown vegetation.

1257
01:55:58,540 --> 01:56:02,220
The structure is barely visible from the street and it's not accessible by a vehicle.

1258
01:56:02,420 --> 01:56:05,640
There is no driveway because it's surrounded by vegetation.

1259
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:10,940
Additionally, evidence of trespassing was observed on the property at the time of our inspection.

1260
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:16,160
Paraphenalia associated with illegal drug use was observed inside the home.

1261
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:18,840
Here's some pictures of the outside of the property.

1262
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:21,980
Those were taken today, so that's what it looks like right now.

1263
01:56:21,980 --> 01:56:31,740
That's the front of the house on the left, and then on the right appears to be like some sort of path that people were taking to get to the property and there's some police tape.

1264
01:56:35,260 --> 01:56:39,520
Here's a few pictures of the inside, on the far left is the kitchen.

1265
01:56:40,060 --> 01:56:44,460
You can kind of see that there's vines and things growing through the kitchen cabinets.

1266
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:54,120
The middle picture is one of the holes in the ceiling, and it goes all the way out through the roof, and then the third is some of the drum paraphernal that was observed.

1267
01:56:56,660 --> 01:57:10,980
On the left again, there's another hole, Mr. Brook checking it out with the flashlight, one of the bathrooms in disrepair, and then that picture showed up a little dark on here, but it kind of shows the unsanitary state of the inside of the house.

1268
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,640
And that's about it on this one.

1269
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:20,580
I don't think any of the hindrins or their agent are here.

1270
01:57:22,260 --> 01:57:30,380
Just a little bit of background, we have been in contact with the family's real estate agent and they do have an attorney.

1271
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:37,660
They are looking to actively sell the property so that they don't incur the cost of having to demo the property.

1272
01:57:38,860 --> 01:57:45,340
One of the family members, there are several of them that haven't inherited the property, one of them is under age.

1273
01:57:45,340 --> 01:57:49,400
And so they had to go through the guardian at light and process and that's taking a little

1274
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:50,900
bit longer than they expected.

1275
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:54,520
They had emailed requesting more time.

1276
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,280
And I have thought that someone was going to attend the meeting to speak to you all but

1277
01:57:58,280 --> 01:57:59,940
it doesn't look like anyone's here.

1278
01:58:00,740 --> 01:58:05,960
But they have requested at least a staff more time to finish out that process.

1279
01:58:07,340 --> 01:58:10,020
And did they ask for us?

1280
01:58:10,020 --> 01:58:11,680
I think I heard four months.

1281
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:21,300
They did not ask for specific time, but in my conversations with the town attorney, the town attorney recommended it out four months.

1282
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:25,880
And that is to get the underage guardian had a lot of him set up.

1283
01:58:26,620 --> 01:58:39,580
The real estate agent indicated they only needed a few more weeks per the courts to have that process finished out and then they would be looking to go forward with the sale of the property.

1284
01:58:40,220 --> 01:58:47,100
But Taylor will a couple of questions, so you're talking to the real estate broker, but not to any family member.

1285
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:58,720
The family members are all on the email chain. There's one family member in particular, his name is Shane, who has been late since the order has been given, who is more communicative.

1286
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:05,260
We were able to get a hold of him, by phone, and he's also, they had this property, had

1287
01:59:05,260 --> 01:59:08,160
some back bills with the utilities and whatnot.

1288
01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:11,700
He was the one who paid those to get him current.

1289
01:59:12,340 --> 01:59:14,180
Could you go back to your first line if you know what I'm going

1290
01:59:17,540 --> 01:59:18,180
to do?

1291
01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:24,660
It's a very similar to the case we just heard there were 13 notices of isolation, no response

1292
01:59:24,660 --> 01:59:25,660
to any of those.

1293
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:30,720
No response to any of the letters, but, um, or to the minimum housing, hearing notices,

1294
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:37,900
on however, because one of the family members had paid the utility bill at the same time this

1295
01:59:37,900 --> 01:59:42,940
was happening. When he paid it online, we were able to capture his credit card in phone

1296
01:59:42,940 --> 01:59:49,820
number and we called him and he had no idea that the property was in the state that it was,

1297
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:56,020
he told us he hadn't been to the property in like over 20 years. But once we talked to him and

1298
01:59:56,020 --> 01:59:59,980
told him what we found seemed agreeable to, you know.

1299
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,920
So getting the other family members on board and making them aware, and he provided the addresses of all those other family members too, so that I can provide notice to all of them.

1300
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:12,840
So until that point, the letters that you were sending, we're going somewhere.

1301
02:00:13,300 --> 02:00:23,940
They were going to, they were going to the right address, it's just for the, I think he's the husband of the deceased who owned the house.

1302
02:00:23,940 --> 02:00:31,640
But there are three sons, adult sons, who also have inherited a portion of this property

1303
02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:33,700
whose addresses we did not have.

1304
02:00:34,060 --> 02:00:40,440
I found out later that one of the adult sons lives with the father, so they would have been

1305
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:41,500
getting those letters.

1306
02:00:42,660 --> 02:00:47,760
So other than the fact that one of the beneficiaries is a child and you have to set it up.

1307
02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:53,680
Is there any difference between this situation and the situation that we previously

1308
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:59,840
discuss. This situation, they have not expressed any interest in repairing the house to us.

1309
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:10,900
I think they're looking to sell. So, Senator, the similarity with this in the last one

1310
02:01:10,900 --> 02:01:19,980
is this property should be condemned in your opinion. However, you've talked to the people and your

1311
02:01:19,980 --> 02:01:27,000
office has chosen to ask for a four month extension for these people. Is that correct?

1312
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:29,340
I'm not requesting a four month extension.

1313
02:01:31,870 --> 02:01:32,490
No, you're.

1314
02:01:32,590 --> 02:01:38,950
They, the, the real estate representative of the property owner is requesting extension.

1315
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:44,450
And the family says that they have enough time to set up the garden at a lot of them.

1316
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:50,450
They can then sign off on selling the property and they're not trying to hold anything up. They're just trying to get their ducks in order.

1317
02:01:52,130 --> 02:01:58,990
I don't really want to comment on the transaction part of that because I, you know, really

1318
02:01:58,990 --> 02:02:04,070
stay and go a lot of different ways. I don't want to speak for what any of one family members

1319
02:02:04,070 --> 02:02:05,670
attitudes might be towards the sale.

1320
02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:11,430
But it wouldn't be a wild conclusion to make that they are doing some form of due diligence

1321
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:19,070
related to how you, that is a step one that would even allow them to sell this piece of property.

1322
02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:23,310
Yeah, getting a real estate agent putting listing it would be the first set.

1323
02:02:23,470 --> 02:02:26,010
And so that's a clear distinction from the previous.

1324
02:02:27,270 --> 02:02:27,290
Yes.

1325
02:02:27,370 --> 02:02:31,230
You know, the hearing of April 2019 said several adjacent property owners attended.

1326
02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:32,510
Did they comment?

1327
02:02:32,910 --> 02:02:33,930
They did.

1328
02:02:34,430 --> 02:02:35,390
And what were their comments of people?

1329
02:02:35,770 --> 02:02:39,690
Most of them were just kind of interested to hear what was going on with the property,

1330
02:02:39,890 --> 02:02:41,970
because it isn't a state that it's in.

1331
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:46,930
I don't really recall any of them having complaints so much.

1332
02:02:46,930 --> 02:02:49,370
they were just more so interested in what was happening.

1333
02:02:53,900 --> 02:02:58,640
If you don't have a situation like you've got rodents from coming into other people's yard

1334
02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:01,500
as far as you know, because of the condition of this property.

1335
02:03:02,620 --> 02:03:08,580
We did actually, we did get, I think, one who said, I'm not sure if it was rodents, but he did

1336
02:03:08,580 --> 02:03:14,400
have some complaints about the vegetation itself and treating onto his property because of

1337
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:25,700
in the height of it, he's not able to manage it without going on their property and so it's kind of put into a weird spot where he's got this like overhang that he can't manage.

1338
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:31,940
But this property has attracted trespassers and drug paraphernalia.

1339
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:39,400
I didn't put the picture in here. The doors were locked when we went. The police officer had to kick it in.

1340
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:44,340
but once we got in because we couldn't access the side of the house and we went through the

1341
02:03:44,340 --> 02:03:48,060
interior to get to the side we could see where the screen in porch had been like a whole

1342
02:03:48,060 --> 02:03:52,740
had been ripped out of it and that was what the police officer identified as likely how they were

1343
02:03:52,740 --> 02:04:00,460
getting into the house. On an interesting thing that these folks were looking at six years again

1344
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:08,220
these folks chose not to respond to the town in any way until they got a notice that said

1345
02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:14,810
You've got X number of days to tear your house down and we're going to tear it down for you and send you a bill

1346
02:04:15,300 --> 02:04:18,090
And that seems to be the only thing that got there attention

1347
02:04:21,020 --> 02:04:27,500
Well, I mean that correct it also was six years that the town set on 13 notices a violation before

1348
02:04:27,500 --> 02:04:33,280
eight shows to pursue minimum housing as a strong policy or

1349
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:37,720
and force that policy that likely was on the books.

1350
02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:42,140
Yeah, minimum housing has we have an adopted minimum housing ordinance.

1351
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:47,300
I just don't think the town had a minimum housing program code enforcement prior to me being here.

1352
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:51,220
I had not been enforcing minimum housing and and tell me it's unfortunate.

1353
02:04:51,940 --> 02:04:56,700
But if you don't know the history behind our former talent attorney, let's see when I go have a comment.

1354
02:04:56,700 --> 02:04:58,180
No, I very fair.

1355
02:04:58,680 --> 02:04:59,960
I just to me this is a very

1356
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:26,480
I don't want to step on any, I guess we'll still discuss. I would make a motion that we approve the ordinance ordering the further proceedings under the purpose of the done of Oak Island minimum housing code and General Statue 160D Article 12. Subject 2 and I would propose a two month extension. I don't know if that's the right verbiage.

1357
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:55,820
I don't imagine if they were able to sell it, if they sell this, that the new buyer would somehow try to, you know, fix everything instead of demolish it to begin with even if the property sells the order stands, they can't decide to repair it and I think that protects the town and the neighbors as well that someone attempting to fix something that staff has in my opinion rightfully decided is dilapidated and

1358
02:05:56,500 --> 02:06:00,560
I don't want to say it's not fixable, but it is dilapidated. Okay, that's helpful.

1359
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:16,000
So my motion is the I approve the motion to approve the ordinance furthering proceedings under the purpose of the town of Oak Island minimum housing code in general statute 160d article to as presented subject to a two month extension.

1360
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:20,910
I'll second that.

1361
02:06:21,730 --> 02:06:24,710
And what is your reasoning behind a two month extension?

1362
02:06:24,710 --> 02:06:34,970
I think if this collective now, I'm making assumptions and that you can criticize that, that's fine.

1363
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:48,890
If they are, if I can make a general assumption that this group of property owners are taking steps to be able to offload this piece of property by selling it.

1364
02:06:48,890 --> 02:06:50,730
And then it will be demolished.

1365
02:06:51,670 --> 02:06:54,030
I don't believe we should add an additional,

1366
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:56,850
you need to demolish this,

1367
02:06:56,850 --> 02:06:59,210
why guess 90 days is over two months,

1368
02:06:59,570 --> 02:07:01,230
so maybe we keep it to the 90 days.

1369
02:07:02,070 --> 02:07:07,170
But I see movement and does this at all impact a sale?

1370
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:10,310
I'm not quite sure.

1371
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:12,970
It shouldn't, because you said it, it follows through.

1372
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:15,370
The order stand, it runs with the land.

1373
02:07:15,610 --> 02:07:18,310
So whether it changes hands, changes ownership,

1374
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:22,190
Who ever owns that property has to comply with the order?

1375
02:07:23,410 --> 02:07:28,790
No, no, I answered your question, and I agree with your question after talking it through.

1376
02:07:29,050 --> 02:07:32,590
I want to do the original modify your motion to bring it to you.

1377
02:07:33,650 --> 02:07:36,710
I want to discuss, because to me there is a distinction here.

1378
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:48,090
So I just want to ensure we, and again, I appreciate that a better or a, a, a, the type of residence.

1379
02:07:48,090 --> 02:07:53,150
and property owners that, you know, I think we all would love to have as our neighbors.

1380
02:07:53,490 --> 02:08:01,790
It shouldn't take 13 notices of violation or minimum housing evaluation to be placed on

1381
02:08:01,790 --> 02:08:05,990
your property before you start taking accountability for very clear violations.

1382
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:11,910
But I view this group of property owners were folks who were inheriting this property

1383
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:17,790
as taking steps to improve it, i.e. sell it, and then likely demolish it.

1384
02:08:17,790 --> 02:08:29,590
So to the extent, I'll resume my motion, but to the extent that ordering the demolition within 90 days,

1385
02:08:30,330 --> 02:08:35,090
we feel in our discussion could somehow impact the speed in which they could sell this.

1386
02:08:35,610 --> 02:08:38,770
I don't think it would impact the fact that there's somehow a minor involved.

1387
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:45,010
Then I would like I would request our motion to address that concern, and if there's no concern after we discuss it,

1388
02:08:45,010 --> 02:08:48,370
and I'm okay with ordering it as it was presented.

1389
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:51,810
So the way I'm looking at your two-month extension.

1390
02:08:53,970 --> 02:08:56,630
First of all, I don't think you're gonna find a realtor

1391
02:08:56,630 --> 02:08:59,750
who's gonna say, aw, I'll only list that house for two months.

1392
02:09:00,170 --> 02:09:02,250
Cause at the end of two months, if it doesn't sale,

1393
02:09:02,850 --> 02:09:06,030
we're right back where we are night.

1394
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:09,730
The intent of mine was that it's ordered,

1395
02:09:10,110 --> 02:09:14,090
and at two months, I guess then the 90 days would kick in.

1396
02:09:14,090 --> 02:09:21,750
so we wouldn't bring it back. There are many days expired today. Okay then then I think it's important to

1397
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:23,090
extend it

1398
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:25,820
for what reason.

1399
02:09:29,170 --> 02:09:32,730
Sorry I had something in my throat. I couldn't think of me around looking at.

1400
02:09:32,850 --> 02:09:37,290
So a quick thing that the demolition of the structure was ordered to be completed by today.

1401
02:09:37,370 --> 02:09:41,890
Today. Okay. So how many, oh you're right, how many family members are involved?

1402
02:09:42,530 --> 02:09:48,050
I'm trying to follow those. I think I want to say five, but that might be wrong. I know

1403
02:09:48,050 --> 02:09:55,110
There's three adult brothers, and then I think one of them has children that had an ownership interest.

1404
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:58,410
And Taylor, did they understand the urgency of tonight's meeting?

1405
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,740
They emailed a few times, so it did appear to me that they understood.

1406
02:10:06,140 --> 02:10:11,300
We were talking about the hearing was held in August. That was four months ago.

1407
02:10:12,260 --> 02:10:24,960
And I do want to note that on that 90 day notice part of it, they actually have had longer than 90 days, because I have sent the order right after we did the hearing.

1408
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:31,680
that was before y'all, sorry, the board, the council amended our procedures.

1409
02:10:32,860 --> 02:10:39,300
So after the procedures were amended, I sent them a second order that said, due to recent

1410
02:10:39,300 --> 02:10:43,860
change in the ordinance, you now have 90 days from this state.

1411
02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:46,860
So technically they have had longer than 90.

1412
02:10:47,540 --> 02:10:51,680
And to appreciate the process, sorry for all the questions, to appreciate the process.

1413
02:10:51,680 --> 02:11:01,960
we approve this today, the town doesn't step in to perform or contract out the actual demolition until the end of 90 days.

1414
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:06,180
At which point, once completed, a lean is placed on the property.

1415
02:11:06,860 --> 02:11:10,320
But we wouldn't, they have 90 days to demolish themselves.

1416
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:15,000
And that's when the town then would step in if they failed to do it by the end of the 90 days.

1417
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:18,760
Are you adding on 90 days? Because we're at the end of the day now.

1418
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:20,760
The deadline was today.

1419
02:11:22,900 --> 02:11:30,360
We're helping help us this way then if the deadline was today and if we uphold the hearing

1420
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:36,560
officers finding what happens next and what is the timeline in which it happens.

1421
02:11:36,900 --> 02:11:39,060
The town can move forward with the demolition.

1422
02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:43,780
It would be a matter of me likely finding a contractor to do the work.

1423
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:49,220
The town paying for that work, just like the other one, once the work is completed and

1424
02:11:49,220 --> 02:11:55,540
receive an invoice that I then create an invoice to that property owner. They have 30 days to pay.

1425
02:11:55,840 --> 02:12:03,940
If they don't pay within 30 days, I formally hand it off to our tax person Danielle. It's usually

1426
02:12:03,940 --> 02:12:07,820
me who actually goes to the courthouse and does it, though, but I could put it lean on the property

1427
02:12:07,820 --> 02:12:15,840
for that amount. Let's say theoretically the property doesn't sell. After a certain period of

1428
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:22,000
the town could decide to move on a foreclosure to recoup that money, but if the property sells,

1429
02:12:22,620 --> 02:12:26,540
the town would just get, get their part of it, is how it should work.

1430
02:12:27,020 --> 02:12:33,640
Hey, they're just like the last situation. If the town were to knock down that building,

1431
02:12:35,420 --> 02:12:39,780
the airs, the 8 or 9 or 10 airs that are out there, they still own that man.

1432
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:41,300
He's still selling.

1433
02:12:41,780 --> 02:12:42,980
Yeah, when was the knock-down building?

1434
02:12:44,020 --> 02:12:55,260
I felt sorry in the last hearing for a man who lives here and has that taken care of business very well, but he came here tonight to say, I'm going to try very hard to take care of business, give me one more chance.

1435
02:12:56,660 --> 02:13:03,800
I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for people that haven't been here 20 years who live out of state and are saying, give us some more time.

1436
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:08,020
And didn't come to this year in the night to say, let me explain our side to you.

1437
02:13:08,020 --> 02:13:12,320
I do just want to say that they most of them do live in the state, they just don't live in

1438
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:14,040
Oak Island, they're in the Charlotte area.

1439
02:13:15,060 --> 02:13:21,820
To your point, I mean, 13 letters, it didn't come to the April hearing, and for us to give

1440
02:13:21,820 --> 02:13:26,940
any kind of extension, you know, I'd say, you know, my recommendations, we just move

1441
02:13:26,940 --> 02:13:30,140
vote on this, and they still own the property, and then they can figure it out.

1442
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:31,960
That's where we get to land value.

1443
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:37,000
A builder will be thankful for the house that's not down because they want to build a big

1444
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,580
$2,500 for the house on the floor.

1445
02:13:39,580 --> 02:13:45,180
And to echo Councilman Carter's comments is we have been all over Taylor.

1446
02:13:45,660 --> 02:13:52,920
We, as an entity, to 0.01% of the homes in Oak Island that have got allowed themselves

1447
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:57,900
to get in this condition to have staff come in and to move forward to make recommendations

1448
02:13:57,900 --> 02:13:59,520
and to improve these.

1449
02:13:59,860 --> 02:14:04,500
They are eye source and it's not fair to their neighbors to allow this to continue to happen.

1450
02:14:04,500 --> 02:14:08,120
And, again, in my case, this is pretty black and white.

1451
02:14:10,260 --> 02:14:12,240
Look, like you wanted to say something, so it's only for you.

1452
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:14,300
And maybe this has already been made clear.

1453
02:14:14,540 --> 02:14:18,560
The difference between this appeal, or this matter, and the last one,

1454
02:14:19,100 --> 02:14:22,280
is that in the last case, Mr. Lee and Mr. Wallace appealed,

1455
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:26,140
so that's suspended the 90-day period from running.

1456
02:14:26,460 --> 02:14:30,840
In this case, there was no appeals, so that 90-day periods started running on,

1457
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:32,460
the people whatever.

1458
02:14:33,500 --> 02:14:34,460
Or help.

1459
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:35,460
They can feel this.

1460
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:35,960
This.

1461
02:14:36,660 --> 02:14:42,840
The town could go ahead and start demolition tomorrow if the board of the council approve the order today.

1462
02:14:44,660 --> 02:14:44,740
All right.

1463
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:46,940
Council on Brown, are you still?

1464
02:14:47,140 --> 02:14:47,580
No.

1465
02:14:47,780 --> 02:14:48,940
This has been helpful.

1466
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:49,600
Okay.

1467
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:51,140
And apologies for getting the deadline.

1468
02:14:51,780 --> 02:14:52,020
No.

1469
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:53,360
In a curve.

1470
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:54,280
Oh, sure.

1471
02:14:54,280 --> 02:14:55,800
So I will then.

1472
02:14:56,380 --> 02:14:57,000
Excuse me.

1473
02:14:57,620 --> 02:14:59,820
I will make a motion to approve the ordinance ordering.

1474
02:14:59,820 --> 02:14:59,980
.

1475
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,480
Further proceedings under the purpose of the tone of Oak Island minimum housing code, general statute 160d article 12 as presented.

1476
02:15:09,220 --> 02:15:13,980
Second, okay. All in favour? Bye, well.

1477
02:15:16,490 --> 02:15:24,390
Okay, we have one last item for this evening. It's the consideration of the facade, improvement grant, program policy updates.

1478
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:25,310
Good

1479
02:15:29,470 --> 02:15:31,070
evening Mayor and council.

1480
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:36,350
I have a quick presentation here about the solid improvement grant.

1481
02:15:37,470 --> 02:15:42,930
So the facade program provides matching reimbursement grants to encourage private investment

1482
02:15:42,930 --> 02:15:48,130
in our commercial properties and improve the appearance of O'Giles commercial corridors.

1483
02:15:49,010 --> 02:15:57,310
The program was provided up to 50% of eligible costs with awards up to $10,000 as the max.

1484
02:15:57,310 --> 02:16:03,950
So, the idea here is to improve our properties by leveraging the private investment dollars

1485
02:16:03,950 --> 02:16:07,210
and strengthening our the appearance of our commercial corridors.

1486
02:16:10,180 --> 02:16:12,380
So, there's been two years of the program.

1487
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:19,040
There were four projects completed in the first fiscal year and five in the second year

1488
02:16:19,040 --> 02:16:28,660
for total of nine projects and it totaled $59,230 in 12 cents in town funding.

1489
02:16:28,660 --> 02:16:41,580
with the total investment being 124,476 dollars and 24 cents of total investments, the town and the private, so we've gotten that total investment.

1490
02:16:42,300 --> 02:16:45,920
And you'll see before and after pictures here of different projects along the way.

1491
02:16:48,390 --> 02:16:51,450
So what things did the program find?

1492
02:16:51,730 --> 02:16:58,390
Across the two years it did building repairs and exterior renovations, exterior painting,

1493
02:16:58,390 --> 02:17:03,950
some signage, landscaping, some parking and driveway improvements,

1494
02:17:04,890 --> 02:17:09,210
siding, as you can see in this one, and some site cleanup. So all things

1495
02:17:09,210 --> 02:17:13,290
designed to improve the appearance of our commercial areas.

1496
02:17:19,020 --> 02:17:20,100
So why update the

1497
02:17:20,100 --> 02:17:24,560
program? This was a new program two years ago, so it's some of the things

1498
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:30,820
are to create a more predictable annual funding cycle, provide a fair way to

1499
02:17:30,820 --> 02:17:34,740
peer projects when requested exceed available funding,

1500
02:17:35,940 --> 02:17:38,920
clarify eligibility and documentation requirements,

1501
02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:42,180
strengthen some of the contractor quote requirements,

1502
02:17:43,220 --> 02:17:46,060
and establish a consistent completion timeline

1503
02:17:46,060 --> 02:17:48,680
and approve accountability and some of the closed out

1504
02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:49,060
procedures.

1505
02:17:50,020 --> 02:17:52,700
So all of the changes are kind of about the lessons learned

1506
02:17:52,700 --> 02:17:54,340
in the first two years at the program.

1507
02:17:57,450 --> 02:18:00,370
One of the main things is the addition

1508
02:18:00,370 --> 02:18:11,410
of evaluation criteria. So here is what about one tier. The largest part of the criteria

1509
02:18:11,410 --> 02:18:17,910
will be the overall visual improvement of the proposed project. So that's really about

1510
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:23,370
that specific site, how much it will improve the project. And then the enhancement of

1511
02:18:23,370 --> 02:18:29,090
the surrounding commercial area. So that will take into account where it is the project and where

1512
02:18:29,090 --> 02:18:30,530
in the town.

1513
02:18:31,450 --> 02:18:34,230
The quality and completeness of the project and the application,

1514
02:18:34,910 --> 02:18:38,690
project readiness, and the ability to be completed by the

1515
02:18:38,690 --> 02:18:42,150
deadline, consistency with town design, standards,

1516
02:18:43,150 --> 02:18:48,090
the level of private investment, and the use of

1517
02:18:48,090 --> 02:18:51,830
a filing contractors or businesses when practical is the lowest

1518
02:18:51,830 --> 02:18:54,970
piece of this, but a consideration that we'd like to have.

1519
02:18:57,660 --> 02:19:06,380
So the revised timeline will include an application window from October and November and then in December

1520
02:19:06,380 --> 02:19:13,880
will evaluate the applications and announce the ones that will be awarded in December so that

1521
02:19:13,880 --> 02:19:21,960
between January and April the projects that were approved can take place and by May 1 have all of that

1522
02:19:21,960 --> 02:19:26,840
documentation and the projects complete kind of before the season is really ramping back up.

1523
02:19:30,840 --> 02:19:36,340
And so this, this last slide just kind of points out all of the changes made in the program.

1524
02:19:36,620 --> 02:19:44,200
So again, the application window for October and November applications will all be reviewed together.

1525
02:19:44,220 --> 02:19:55,840
Instead of a on a rolling basis, the addition of the evaluation criteria and the clarifies that the property owner must be an active commercial use.

1526
02:19:56,500 --> 02:19:59,700
So before it was kind of just the commercials.

1527
02:19:59,700 --> 02:19:59,860
So

1528
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:06,020
But we're specifically saying not residential, it has to be a commercial use in the commercial zone.

1529
02:20:06,540 --> 02:20:16,280
And arms link, quote, requirement. So we've had some questions through the program where, where a wheelchair had applied and they may have a contractor that worked with them.

1530
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:21,420
But we want to create some distance in that. So, an arms link, quote, requirement.

1531
02:20:22,260 --> 02:20:28,940
to encourage a guideline businesses, contractors, where practical, and the uniform may first

1532
02:20:28,940 --> 02:20:33,000
deadlines so that we can complete it all before the end of the fiscal year.

1533
02:20:33,300 --> 02:20:38,600
Both years we had projects that weren't done by the end of the fiscal year and so that had

1534
02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:40,440
been another thing that we wanted to change.

1535
02:20:43,080 --> 02:20:44,100
And that is the end.

1536
02:20:44,200 --> 02:20:45,980
I will keep this here and answer any questions.

1537
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:46,680
All right.

1538
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:47,440
Any questions?

1539
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:52,020
Well, I think this is one of the best programs we've ever put forward in Oak Island.

1540
02:20:53,380 --> 02:20:55,440
It's a carrot, it's not a stick, right?

1541
02:20:55,580 --> 02:21:01,020
And one of the good things about it, it's connecting the Oak Island community with the owners of these properties,

1542
02:21:01,420 --> 02:21:05,960
not the businesses that are running it, it's the owners who are somewhat disconnected from us.

1543
02:21:06,020 --> 02:21:10,980
So it really helps establish that connectivity between the business owners and town of Oak Island.

1544
02:21:10,980 --> 02:21:19,420
my only concern is that this is a program to for small businesses, right, to support small businesses,

1545
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:26,500
but yet we only have five points if they use a local contractor and I would like to see us

1546
02:21:27,060 --> 02:21:33,180
make that significantly greater. We want to encourage our business owners here to use other business

1547
02:21:33,180 --> 02:21:38,240
owners in Oak Island and keep that business here within the Oak Island town limits.

1548
02:21:39,880 --> 02:21:44,660
And I'm saying we have to do it tonight, but is that something that you could tweak?

1549
02:21:46,040 --> 02:21:50,100
I'd come back to us and see if you can't pump that number up a little bit.

1550
02:21:52,220 --> 02:21:52,260
Yeah.

1551
02:21:53,060 --> 02:22:00,840
I too am a huge fan of this, and I've enjoyed working on it with you, and us coming up with that encouraging

1552
02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:01,960
Oguiling Contractors.

1553
02:22:01,960 --> 02:22:04,180
I think that's a great point.

1554
02:22:04,180 --> 02:22:09,560
So I also think it's important, I just sort of noticed it now.

1555
02:22:09,900 --> 02:22:16,440
If you look at the pictures of the businesses that have taken advantage of it, for example,

1556
02:22:16,660 --> 02:22:25,720
you have cool stuff, you had, I know, Skipper Realty, I think it also encourages a lot

1557
02:22:25,720 --> 02:22:26,600
of the neighbors.

1558
02:22:26,600 --> 02:22:36,760
You see cool stuff back in 2425 updated their facade right next door you had hope chest paint their front building about a year later.

1559
02:22:37,260 --> 02:22:44,680
You have Skipper Realty, they laid that beautiful rock down and that strip sort of next to them.

1560
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:46,500
They painted their outside.

1561
02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:54,480
I think it encourages others to follow suit because the difference in appearance probably is a lot more apparent.

1562
02:22:55,300 --> 02:22:59,560
And whether they choose or go through the hoops to enjoy this benefit,

1563
02:23:00,020 --> 02:23:06,520
I think it sort of presents a two-fold great benefit for the town, both the individual business owner,

1564
02:23:06,780 --> 02:23:12,340
but it also sort of encourages their neighbors to look for ways they can improve this map.

1565
02:23:12,580 --> 02:23:14,140
So I'm very much in favor of this.

1566
02:23:15,540 --> 02:23:24,680
Can you just help clarify for me how the program works because I know a lot of our businesses are in least spaces.

1567
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:31,280
So, obviously, they can't do something to a property they don't own.

1568
02:23:31,820 --> 02:23:36,240
Does the process that they have, they get the buy in from the owner?

1569
02:23:37,140 --> 02:23:41,220
Does the owner have to apply or does the business apply or how does that work?

1570
02:23:41,220 --> 02:23:49,720
We've had both. They're required to have permission from the owner if it is the business that's applying and I've seen it

1571
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:58,460
And you know one project where the owner was paying for it and then others where the business was doing it. It has kind of depended on their relationships

1572
02:23:58,460 --> 02:24:00,360
I will say we've had

1573
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:08,640
I have many more meetings of people interested than the nine projects that have been completed a lot of the times

1574
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:15,380
it's where the businesses interested and do it and not the owner. So that is certainly something

1575
02:24:15,380 --> 02:24:20,960
we've come up against. Yeah, I would certainly say that's the biggest hurdle to this program

1576
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:27,720
is that most of our businesses in the commercial district do not own their businesses. And it's great

1577
02:24:27,720 --> 02:24:32,560
if we could get some owners involved like Bob said, but unfortunately we have some pretty check

1578
02:24:34,200 --> 02:24:39,100
owners as well that you know just don't care at this point, but I do love the

1579
02:24:39,100 --> 02:24:42,960
pride. The program, you know, we kind of developed this while I was on the

1580
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:48,620
business advisory board. I do like the flex the point system. I think that's a

1581
02:24:48,620 --> 02:24:55,360
good change. Yeah, I just wish we could figure out how to engage, you know,

1582
02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:58,860
because when we launched it, I remember calling every owner. I mean, you and I

1583
02:24:58,860 --> 02:24:59,740
had that conversation.

1584
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:12,880
I was texting and I'm like, hey, take advantage in so many of them were like, hey, my owner won't even let me change the color of my mailbox. You know, much less do this. So I wish we could just figure out a way to make

1585
02:25:15,570 --> 02:25:17,110
it.

1586
02:25:18,010 --> 02:25:24,530
Since we have the tax records of the owners, I mean, have we done an outreach campaign to them to make them aware of this program?

1587
02:25:24,530 --> 02:25:33,550
We have, there are some things in our economic development strategic plan that you guys adopted about property and are outreach.

1588
02:25:34,510 --> 02:25:39,570
So I'm not specific to this program, but we have to continue working on that more.

1589
02:25:40,570 --> 02:25:43,390
And this program would be part of that.

1590
02:25:45,890 --> 02:25:49,930
I can't remember the differentiation of this.

1591
02:25:49,930 --> 02:25:54,910
say there is a property owner like the one that was on Long Beach Road because I did not

1592
02:25:54,910 --> 02:26:00,130
realize they had done the grant. If there is a property owner that owns multiple units,

1593
02:26:00,430 --> 02:26:07,750
can they apply for it for each? Like let's say there's four storefronts in their complex. Can

1594
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:15,370
they apply for it four times? No, it is the one for the whole complex. It specifically says

1595
02:26:15,370 --> 02:26:23,470
have heard the property, so that actually happened with the long be traded property, one of the tenants reached out first,

1596
02:26:24,010 --> 02:26:29,790
learned about the program, then went to the property owner and the property owner applied to do the whole project.

1597
02:26:33,550 --> 02:26:38,830
The evaluation, what board evaluates the application?

1598
02:26:38,830 --> 02:26:46,310
So, previously there it was just me if they met the program requirements and then it was

1599
02:26:46,310 --> 02:26:55,690
first come first serve. What I'm proposing here is a staff of economic development, planning,

1600
02:26:55,890 --> 02:27:00,570
and building will evaluate the criteria laid out in the program.

1601
02:27:02,130 --> 02:27:09,550
When you drive around town and see guys, that property sure could use them a facelift, do you solicit those businesses?

1602
02:27:10,770 --> 02:27:13,770
There was a big push right when the program started.

1603
02:27:14,830 --> 02:27:17,210
All the whole business advisory board can attest.

1604
02:27:17,350 --> 02:27:19,910
I went around door to door doing it.

1605
02:27:19,950 --> 02:27:22,910
And we've talked recently about doing another push.

1606
02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:28,430
Um, because certainly that, um, you could tell in the first year it was the getting people to

1607
02:27:28,430 --> 02:27:35,310
know that the program existed, um, but I, I think, you know, we could absolutely do another

1608
02:27:35,310 --> 02:27:39,050
campaign. Okay, here comes my difficult question.

1609
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:43,540
Because this isn't grant money. This is money

1610
02:27:43,540 --> 02:27:51,420
taken out of our general budget and given to your department to disperse. If I were to win the

1611
02:27:51,420 --> 02:27:58,080
to borrow, and I went $200 million, and then I buy two properties on Oak Island Drive.

1612
02:27:58,700 --> 02:28:02,580
But I'm worth $200 million, but it's first come first serve.

1613
02:28:03,020 --> 02:28:07,220
Can I then contact your office and say I want to put some rose bushes in front of my building

1614
02:28:07,220 --> 02:28:14,180
and a couple of benches, and your criteria will say, sure, your second and line, you'll get

1615
02:28:14,180 --> 02:28:20,880
$10,000. We need a better system than that. The evaluation criteria needs to be

1616
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:26,800
Army Corps of Engineers talked to all the different towns what town would be most damaged

1617
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:31,340
if the Army Corps of Engineers did not step in to help them with sanory nourishment

1618
02:28:31,340 --> 02:28:36,540
what town would be most damaged and they didn't pick us but we certainly come close

1619
02:28:36,540 --> 02:28:43,640
who would be most damaged if the town did not give them taxpayers money to enhance their building

1620
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:49,950
that just frustrates me and frustrates me last time when we voted on this

1621
02:28:49,950 --> 02:28:55,370
that somebody with a whole lot more money than I do can actually have a parking lot fixed or

1622
02:28:55,370 --> 02:29:02,870
asked to have rose bushes put down. That's not a as needed basis, so I like where you

1623
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:09,270
give us some thought. Are you suggesting adding in a financial need component to the evaluation

1624
02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:18,730
criteria? Okay, so the program was not designed to be about financial need. It's really hard to

1625
02:29:18,730 --> 02:29:23,050
determine. I understand where you're coming from. If that's something the board wants to consider,

1626
02:29:23,230 --> 02:29:29,150
I'd be open to it if you can tell me how you might evaluate that. My other point I would make

1627
02:29:29,150 --> 02:29:37,450
about this is it's about leveraging the private investment. And so the people that spend $30,000.

1628
02:29:38,490 --> 02:29:45,970
We're only going to spend 10 of that but we're going to get 30 of total investment in a project.

1629
02:29:45,970 --> 02:29:50,870
I looked at all the net for the people at $1,000,000 given to a real estate office.

1630
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:57,430
Six thousand was given to a drugstore, a law firm, got 56,000.

1631
02:29:59,650 --> 02:29:59,970
One of these.

1632
02:30:00,900 --> 02:30:09,580
Today's Oak Island is going to come in here. This council is going to come in here. Next year, two years now, three years from now, they're going to say taxpayers of Oak Island, we have to raise your taxes.

1633
02:30:11,820 --> 02:30:19,640
And when we do that, they're going to say, how much of our money have you given away the last two years, three years? I like to have a better answer.

1634
02:30:20,460 --> 02:30:25,000
Yes, the more valuable projects give us more bang for our buck.

1635
02:30:26,340 --> 02:30:28,080
So that's my fault.

1636
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:29,680
If I could just, you know,

1637
02:30:29,900 --> 02:30:30,980
where I look at it,

1638
02:30:30,980 --> 02:30:32,980
like this is begin with the end in mind, right?

1639
02:30:33,080 --> 02:30:33,820
Dr. Stephen Covey.

1640
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:35,640
Well, where our end game is,

1641
02:30:35,720 --> 02:30:37,140
we just want to clean up these businesses.

1642
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:42,000
So it makes no difference to me how much money

1643
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,200
that that person has that I was building.

1644
02:30:44,920 --> 02:30:47,040
If we get the end result, which is,

1645
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:48,740
we get it cleaned up because they're investing

1646
02:30:48,740 --> 02:30:50,420
and we're simply doing the matching it.

1647
02:30:50,660 --> 02:30:52,920
I think we get the end game that we're looking for.

1648
02:30:53,180 --> 02:30:55,420
So we look at the before pictures and the after pictures.

1649
02:30:55,420 --> 02:31:08,580
So we get a lot more of the afterpictures, otherwise we're going to have to ask for tax returns or they have to fund an application and put that annual revenue to the business and that gets I think that's going to take us into place.

1650
02:31:08,760 --> 02:31:10,540
We don't necessarily want to be personally.

1651
02:31:10,540 --> 02:31:16,720
I even think, you know, you and I have had this conversation, but it really did just hit me.

1652
02:31:17,480 --> 02:31:24,040
Some of these, like I think about some of these businesses that we may perceive,

1653
02:31:24,440 --> 02:31:28,220
have a lot of money, they actually also generate a lot of money into our economy,

1654
02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:33,260
they provide jobs, they pay sales tax, they pay, now their property is worth more,

1655
02:31:33,420 --> 02:31:37,600
their property value has gone up, they're going to pay more property taxes on that.

1656
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:39,440
I might not be substantial,

1657
02:31:41,540 --> 02:31:43,500
but I think, you know,

1658
02:31:46,220 --> 02:31:47,920
they do pump a lot of money into our economy.

1659
02:31:48,580 --> 02:31:53,220
And it beautifies what we are attempting to make walkable too.

1660
02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:57,200
We're not, I don't think someone's going to avoid walking on.

1661
02:31:57,280 --> 02:32:04,380
He's still kind of in drive because of business looks ugly, but to the extent it's right next to one that they do want to visit.

1662
02:32:04,380 --> 02:32:13,680
I mean, it plays entirely into the commercial code repair and other goals that this and the previous council website, which I think are admirable and should be.

1663
02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:15,400
We should continue to go after.

1664
02:32:16,140 --> 02:32:20,440
Well, I mean, it's an, it's an unfortunate and we can also hear tonight and name.

1665
02:32:20,580 --> 02:32:21,140
Yes.

1666
02:32:21,700 --> 02:32:27,520
The businesses that really ought to take advantage of this program won't do it.

1667
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:29,500
And there are stores in town.

1668
02:32:32,970 --> 02:32:36,630
And there is a reality that we're probably going to run out of, I don't want to say customers,

1669
02:32:38,290 --> 02:32:41,470
but we're going to run out of people who are going to use this to a certain degree,

1670
02:32:41,890 --> 02:32:45,910
because the ones who are going to take advantage of it are going to use it.

1671
02:32:46,050 --> 02:32:51,910
The ones that are not, we're never going to recite them not to, but that raises a question for me.

1672
02:32:52,190 --> 02:32:57,850
So is there anything in this that restricts how many times they can apply?

1673
02:32:57,850 --> 02:33:02,150
like every question. I get a grant this year and I painted my building in GL quite like the

1674
02:33:02,150 --> 02:33:08,050
color saw upon next year to paint it a different color. We have a restriction on how often

1675
02:33:08,050 --> 02:33:16,350
they can apply. It just says for the same property once a year so that was more thinking about those

1676
02:33:16,350 --> 02:33:22,110
properties that were multiple ones that they couldn't apply for different things but no I think

1677
02:33:22,110 --> 02:33:29,370
to adding? I think your evaluation criteria is subjective and flexible enough. For example, overall

1678
02:33:29,370 --> 02:33:34,750
visual improvement to the property. If you painted it last year and you're coming to the town

1679
02:33:34,750 --> 02:33:40,390
to say, I want to re-paint it. That's not a overall visual improvement. That's a change in your mind.

1680
02:33:41,650 --> 02:33:48,990
I think that's a great potential roadblock and I think councilman crafts concern is valid as well.

1681
02:33:48,990 --> 02:33:55,590
But I think we, this is year, will be year three, you've identified areas of improvement,

1682
02:33:56,130 --> 02:33:59,910
and we'll continue, I'm sure you'll come up with a number of areas to improve after you go through

1683
02:33:59,910 --> 02:34:05,890
one year of evaluating. But I think you're steering this ship, so to speak, in the right direction,

1684
02:34:06,310 --> 02:34:11,950
and improving it over what it was previously, and again, I'm very much in favor of this. So with

1685
02:34:11,950 --> 02:34:19,490
In that in mind, I'll make a motion to approve the updated facade improvement grant program as presented.

1686
02:34:21,150 --> 02:34:21,830
Second.

1687
02:34:23,010 --> 02:34:23,970
Any more discussion?

1688
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:27,770
All those in favor?

1689
02:34:31,580 --> 02:34:32,480
Or post?

1690
02:34:37,300 --> 02:34:37,560
Okay.

1691
02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:41,480
That concludes our items on our agenda.

1692
02:34:42,300 --> 02:34:45,060
We are not going to be going into a closed session.

1693
02:34:47,240 --> 02:34:51,040
So with that, do I have a motion to adjourn?

1694
02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:55,400
Some moved for the second. All those in favor.

1695
02:34:56,840 --> 02:34:59,120
We are now adjourned. Thank you all for coming.

1696
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:00,740
Good job.

1697
02:35:01,240 --> 02:35:01,440
Sorry.