[0:56] Vice Chairperson Brown,
>> Commissioner Tuggate,
[1:02] » Commissioner Eiselman,
>> Commissioner Cson, Commissioner Walters
[1:06] Gil,
>> Commissioner Mlullen, Commissioner Tatch
[1:10] here,
>> Commissioner Whitehead. We have quorum.
[1:28] So move.
[1:39] » Mr. Chair, the mics are not working.
[1:45] I can find. Ah, there we are.
[1:53] Love the hum.
[1:59] Am I the only one with the feedback?
Moving on to approval of the We approved
[2:06] the agenda. Got that done.
Approval of the minutes from the last
[2:11] meeting.
So move
[2:14] » second.
>> Are there any corrections?
[2:20] » Be there. No corrections. All in favor?
>> I
[2:25] » I have it.
[2:31] Moving on to item 4 A
planning commission.
[2:39] Oh, first I want to thank everybody for
giving me the larger print. I really
[2:44] appreciate that. That facilitated me
answering stuff much more quickly.
[3:03] I was trying to wait for the mayor to
have a seat.
[3:07] Moving on to communication and
correspondence.
[3:10] A
extension of the site plan approval.
[3:24] Welcome, Madam Mayor.
>> Thank you.
[3:30] » Excuse me. 5A extension of site plan
approval.
[3:37] conversion of of offices to
mixuse development
[3:46] 7 excuse me 21790 Koolage Highway.
Want to take us through that?
[3:53] » Yes, thank you. Uh this is a request to
extend the site plan approval for the
[3:58] conversion of the office building into a
mixed use of residential and office
[4:03] building. The site plan approval is set
to expire today. The applicant indicated
[4:09] that he has been awaiting potential
awards from Meshda and Oakland County.
[4:14] They have a bank commitment up to 70% of
the loan to value or loan to cost. We
[4:21] approved the extension of the site plan
for an additional 12 months. The
[4:27] extension will expire on March 7, 2027,
a year from today.
[4:34] one year from today.
>> Yes.
[4:36] » And you're looking for an approval from
us.
[4:40] » Uh we approved it just approved.
>> No action required from Mr. Chair,
[4:48] » Madame Mayor.
>> Um the bank is giving them 70% of the
[4:54] loan to cost.
>> Yes. It's either loan to cost or loan to
[4:58] value. And uh the other 30% is supposed
to come from the grants.
[5:03] » That's what he's hoping for. Yes. But he
he also have the money like it depends
[5:09] on how much he receive grants.
>> So he will cover the rest.
[5:14] » Oh
>> yes.
[5:16] » Thank you. Thank
[5:21] » So you said that's been approved,
correct?
[5:24] » Yes.
>> So you need no action from us?
[5:27] » No.
Moving on to 6A, public hearing to
[5:32] consider the proposed special land use.
You submitted by PEA Group
[5:42] on behalf of YA Beth. You
[5:48] excuse me,
pronounce it for me.
[5:52] » Yehuda.
>> Yehuda.
[5:55] Thank you. Thank folks
[6:05] you on scope school at 14400
West 10M Road.
[6:14] » Yeah, thank you. This is a special land
use request for a proposed addition to
[6:18] the Yeshiva Beth Yehuda School for
Girls. The school historic historically
[6:24] served as a preschool uh and high school
for girls. With the preschool program
[6:31] relocated to the new building, the
applicant proposes to maintain the
[6:36] existing high school and construct a
gymnasium. As indicated in the staff
[6:42] report, the project meets the zoning
ordinance requirements with conditions.
[6:47] The special land use and site plan
approval are contingent upon receiving
[6:52] variances from the zoning board of
appeals for the north and west setback
[6:59] setbacks and off streetet parking
spaces. We recommend approval of the
[7:04] special land use and site plan subject
to the 11 conditions. Uh Amy Akerman um
[7:12] with PR group is available to answer any
questions you may have.
[7:30] Good afternoon. There you go. My name is
Amy Aman. I'm from PA Group and I'm
[7:34] happy to answer any questions. Do you
Would you like me to give you a quick
[7:37] rundown after that was a pretty good
assessment of of what's going on?
[7:41] » I got your name, but I need your
address.
[7:43] » Oh, my address. 1849
uh Pondrun, Auburn Hills.
[7:48] » Thank you.
>> Are there any questions? You want to
[7:51] give us a rundown?
>> Sure, I'd love to. Thank you. We
[7:54] appreciate the opportunity to present
our project. The school's been open for
[7:58] over 10 years. As Salam mentioned, um it
was been it was used as a high school
[8:02] and a preschool. It's now going to just
service high school uh females.
[8:07] The larger recreation that's being
proposed tonight is to accommodate uh
[8:11] high school use.
The addition to the building is a
[8:15] traditional ceiling, a more of a
traditional ceiling height, a little
[8:18] higher and a little bit bigger uh to
accommodate the high school students.
[8:23] Uh the gym will be used during the
school day for uh recreation and for uh
[8:28] anticipated athlet no anticipated
athletic competitions will be at the
[8:32] gym. So no evening or or use like that.
Architecturally and aesthetically, it
[8:38] will match the school as it exists. So,
it'll be the same color, the same
[8:42] materials.
Um, we chose to locate the gym on the
[8:47] rear of the school because it made the
most sense with the existing school and
[8:52] it'll
visually won't impact 10 mile road.
[8:57] Uh, the height of the gym meets the code
and any roof equipment will be screened
[9:02] per the code.
[9:09] the that's a quick overview of any
addition of the addition. If you have
[9:13] any other questions, I'm happy to answer
them.
[9:16] » Um,
>> mayor,
[9:18] » thank you. Um, uh, is it it's not
blocking Emanuel or any entrance to
[9:26] Emanuel?
>> No, it will not. So, it's going to
[9:28] parallel that that ingress road that
comes in from there
[9:33] » from 10 mile.
>> Correct. Okay. And it's a little f
[9:36] That's a playground now and it will be a
building.
[9:41] » Well, yeah. So, they have that outdoor
patio area, but the the this is proposed
[9:47] on the back of the building. So, we're
not eliminating any parking. The only
[9:52] area that it's taking that's going to
take up right now is the circulation
[9:56] that that circulation that comes around
for drop off. That's going to get a
[10:01] shortened a little bit, but other than
that, that's the only change that really
[10:03] is is occurring. So, we're not losing
any parking. We're not changing the
[10:07] circulation on site. Everything will
stay the same, and we're allowing fire
[10:10] access to the north.
>> So, the drop off will still be there.
[10:15] » Correct. The drop off will still exist.
Mr. Chair,
[10:20] I have a comment and maybe a question.
So, my comment is I just want to make
[10:24] sure I understand the where the building
is going to go exactly. So, it's going
[10:28] to be the front Part of the frontage
will be on church, right? No.
[10:34] » Yeah. Well, I guess so. Looking at the
building from from 10mi road, the west
[10:40] the far west side of the building where
that road comes up.
[10:43] » Okay.
>> The building will be off the back of
[10:46] that. So, it you'll you'll Yes. You'll
see it sort of fronts 10 Mile Road, but
[10:51] it's quite a ways away from 10 Mile
Road.
[10:53] » Just a little
>> or from church, excuse me.
[10:55] » Gotcha.
>> Yeah.
[10:57] » Oh, yeah. I can I do I did bring a
couple graphics if you want to. So, is
[11:03] it showing somewhere to me?
>> Oh, okay.
[11:06] » There. Oh, thank you so much. So, the
building proposed addition is right
[11:12] here. If you can see my cursor moving.
>> Yeah. So, none of that was building
[11:17] before.
>> Correct.
[11:20] It was some It was green space and a
little bit of drive lane
[11:27] and to the to the west here's that
because that's offsite. So that drive
[11:32] that driveway is off the west here. So
we're not impacting that at all.
[11:36] » Quite a bit. Quite a bit. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[11:40] » Okay. And there's a little oval thing in
the middle of the parking lot that
[11:44] you're rellandscaping.
>> Correct. So yeah, we that has to shorten
[11:48] a little bit. Not too much. We're not
going to change that too much, but we
[11:52] will Yeah, we'll we're going to clean
that up and put some new landscaping in
[11:55] it.
[12:01] » Any other questions?
>> Um, one for the staff. It's like less
[12:06] parking than a high school requires, but
it works out okay. Can you explain that?
[12:12] Yes, it's with the parking because it's
reduced the number of the students. Uh
[12:18] it will work out but they still have to
get a variance from the zoning board of
[12:23] appeals.
>> And why will it work out? Because the
[12:25] students get dropped off and they don't
park cars there.
[12:28] » Because we have now less student than
they used to have before. It used to be
[12:34] a high school and preschool and now it's
going to be only high school uh for
[12:40] girls students and it's the same number
of classrooms. They're not increasing
[12:44] the number of classrooms.
>> So the real benefit is because preschool
[12:50] the teacher to student ratio is quite
high and so all the teachers that would
[12:55] drive for the preschool are no longer
going to be parking here. So there's
[12:59] probably where the biggest change will
be. So, it actually reduces the use of
[13:02] cars that will be on there.
>> Any other questions before I open the
[13:09] public hearing?
I do need to do that. Okay. Like to open
[13:16] the public hearing. If there's anyone
who would like to speak
[13:22] in favor of or oppose to, you have a
fivem minute limit.
[13:32] major issue.
>> Okay.
[13:37] I don't see any hands or bodies or
anyone moving.
[13:44] So that may be a good thing.
All right. I will close the public
[13:50] hearing.
[13:54] Let us now
can I have you looking for a motion?
[13:59] » Yes.
>> May I have a motion?
[14:02] » So move.
>> Second.
[14:06] » It's been moved and second. May I have a
roll call?
[14:12] » Commissioner Eelman?
>> Yes.
[14:13] » Commissioner Selixson?
>> Yes.
[14:15] » Commissioner Tungate?
>> Absolutely. Yes.
[14:17] » Vice Chair Brown.
>> Yes.
[14:19] » Commissioner Mlen, yes.
>> Commissioner Tatch,
[14:23] » yes. Motion carry.
>> Very good.
[14:30] Thank you.
We look forward to
[14:34] how quickly do you think this is going
to happen?
[14:41] » Jacob,
>> is Jacob the one that's going to give
[14:45] that answer? Jacob,
>> he needs to
[14:49] » come on up. Jacob, can we have your
name?
[14:54] and your address.
>> Uh Jacob Manando, uh 65 University
[14:57] Drive, Pontiac, Michigan.
>> Okay.
[15:00] » So, right now we are in going through
these reviews. We have zoning board at
[15:03] the end of this month. Um we're
finalizing documents right now to go out
[15:07] to bid. So, some of the materials right
now are going to be a little bit longer,
[15:11] but hopefully going to start end of
summer, uh early fall to get this under
[15:15] construction, if not by the latest. And
you are saying your construction period
[15:20] will be how long before it's completed
>> depending on weather say 6 to 8 months
[15:26] but probably closer to six.
>> Okay. Very good.
[15:29] » Mr. Chair.
>> Yes.
[15:30] » I actually have a question for the
executive director if he'd like to come
[15:33] to the podium please.
[15:39] » May we have your name?
>> Uh Shragi Meyers 25800 Southwood Drive.
[15:44] » All right.
>> Good evening sir.
[15:46] » Good evening. Do you intend on using the
city's um resources to do the permit
[15:51] reviews
>> building?
[15:57] Put a sales pitch in. We would love it
if you would. That would be
[15:59] » I would love to entertain any pitches.
So you have my email address. I'll send
[16:04] it over and um
>> Sure.
[16:08] » Thank you.
[16:12] » Any more any more solicitations?
Very
[16:20] good.
[16:25] » I guess I'm moving on to B.
[16:34] » We had our vote. So, everything is good
on that.
[16:37] » Yes.
>> Shake your head. Yes.
[16:39] » Okay. Just wanted to make sure.
>> Moving on to B.
[16:44] planning commission regarding
proposed special land use submitted by
[16:52] PEA group.
>> Uh, no, we just did that.
[16:55] » I'm sorry. We just did that.
>> Just to move to Yeah.
[17:03] » Well, then I'm Mr. Seven.
>> Oh, I have different.
[17:11] » Yes, I am to seven. Item seven. Yeah, I
have a defender.
[17:14] » Okay. I just want to make sure
[17:19] 7A new business site plan review for
cultural center
[17:28] » MIVA
>> Mikvah building
[17:32] 14850
[17:35] Lincoln Street.
>> Yes.
[17:38] » Take us through that please.
>> Yes. Thank you. Uh this is a site plan
[17:42] review for a cultural center Mikvah
building. The applicant proposes to
[17:46] build a new twostory uh building which
will include a small library and women's
[17:52] mikvah on the first floor, men's mikvah
on the basement floor and the youth
[17:57] activity area and an off open office
space on the second floor. The property
[18:03] is located immediately west of the
congregation Dove Ben Noim property. The
[18:11] cultural center is intended to be used
and to benefit the congregation. The
[18:16] site plan shows a significant
improvement in landscaping as indicated
[18:21] in the staff report. The site plan meets
the zoning ordinance requirements with
[18:27] conditions. The applicant also need to
obtain variances from the zoning board
[18:32] of appeals to the north and rear
setbacks the impre impervious surfaces
[18:38] off street parking spaces as well as the
light intensity of one wall-mounted
[18:44] light. We recommend approval of the site
plan subject to the eight conditions and
[18:50] we have Rabbi um Costeritz is available
to answer any questions you may have.
[18:57] Would you come forward, Reba?
[19:04] » Would you give us your name?
[19:09] » Do we have any questions for the rabbi?
[19:14] » You mean we made him walk up and you
have no questions for him? Um,
[19:19] » Madame Mayor,
>> having nothing to do with the vote,
[19:24] just curious, does this mikvah service
only this one congregation
[19:31] » primarily? But anyone, you know, we it's
like the synagogue. It's mainly serviced
[19:35] by Okupak by the residents who's close
by, but it's open to anyone who wants to
[19:40] who wants to come.
>> So, the answer is both. But, you know,
[19:43] Saturdays, for example, holidays when
you can't drive, it's only going to be
[19:46] servicing this area.
only servicing but mostly probably but
[19:51] it's open to anyone who wants to come.
>> Okay, thank you.
[19:57] » Any other questions
for the rabbi?
[20:01] Thank you for your quickly walking up
here and
[20:04] » thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you
for your kind service. We need people
[20:06] like you in our community. Together we
both have the same goals to make the
[20:10] community a better for all the residents
and it's a pleasure to be here. Thank
[20:13] you everyone.
>> Thank you.
[20:16] What do you need from us? Do we need a
vote?
[20:19] » May I have a roll call, please?
>> You need a motion.
[20:23] » I need a motion. Excuse me.
>> So, so moved. Second.
[20:28] » It's been moved and second. May I have a
roll call now?
[20:32] » Who?
[20:37] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[20:42] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[20:46] Yes.
>> Moving on to site plan review for Glow
[20:52] Works
Wholesale
[20:55] 2116
Greenfield Road.
[21:00] Could you take us through it?
>> Yes, thank you. Uh this is a site plan
[21:04] review for Glow Works. Glow Works sells
uh toys, gifts, closeout sport apparel
[21:10] and hot market items to the public and
smaller uh resellers. Currently, Office
[21:17] Depot occupies the front portion of the
building while Glow Works occupies the
[21:24] remaining space. Glow Works received
site plan approval in March 2022. The
[21:30] original original approval included the
development of the vacant property to
[21:36] the north with a warehouse building. The
vacant parcel was not developed as
[21:41] approved and Glow Works commenced
operation without complying with the
[21:46] conditions of the approval. The
applicant indicated that they don't
[21:50] intend to proceed with the development
of the vacant parcel due to financial
[21:56] constraints. the site plan does not uh
meet the off- streetet parking
[22:01] requirements. The applicant submitted a
parking study which found that uh the
[22:08] observed peak parking demand for the
overall development was 24 spaces uh
[22:15] which is significantly lower than the
173 spaces required by the zoning
[22:21] ordinance. The site currently provides
90 spaces. The planning commission has
[22:27] the authority to approve reduction to
the off of the off- streetet parking
[22:32] spaces up to 50% of the required uh
spaces with the provision of a parking
[22:39] study. The staff finds that the site
meets the zoning ordinance requirements
[22:45] with conditions. We recommend approval
of the site plan
[22:50] uh subject to the K 10 conditions
specified in the staff report and we
[22:57] have Robin Robin Razak also she's the
office manager is available to answer
[23:02] any questions you may have.
>> May I ask a question of you? Why was the
[23:09] parking so high that we we needed to
bring it down? Uh so that's uh based on
[23:16] what we have on the zoning ordinance but
sometimes it's good to have a parking
[23:21] study because the parking study could
show the exactly what is the need for uh
[23:27] this specific use of the office depot
and glow works. So that's how they
[23:33] observe the parking and they see the the
demand. Other retails may have more
[23:38] parking spaces, may require more parking
spaces, but this specific
[23:44] um use uses with the Office Depot and
Glow Works shows that they need less
[23:50] parking spaces.
>> All right. Very good.
[23:53] » Any other questions?
>> Of course,
[23:57] » Mayor,
>> Mr. Chair, um
[24:00] it's an awful two to three retail
customers a day. They have toys, gifts,
[24:06] and closeout items, and they only get a
couple. How do they stay in business?
[24:10] » Uh, that's Goen, if you want to answer.
>> Hi.
[24:15] » Here comes Here comes a tough question.
>> Yeah, really tough question. So, we've
[24:19] actually been in business for 25 years.
Um, we were in Warren for most of those
[24:26] years. And, uh, our main source of
business isn't retail, it's wholesale.
[24:33] We wholesale to Cedar Point, SeaWorld,
Busushch Gardens, all of the theme parks
[24:39] coast to coast, as well as all of the
zoos. Um,
[24:44] and then we also have like a showroom if
people wanted to come in and buy ones
[24:50] and twos. We have a ton of people um
locally that do come in and buy stuff
[24:55] for their kids uh bat mitzvah
um
[24:58] » parties,
>> birthday parties, all of those little
[25:02] novelties that you would buy.
>> So people can come in and buy
[25:06] » Yeah, absolutely. Yep.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um
[25:12] uh question for the staff. Isn't Office
Depot going out and do we know what's
[25:16] going in?
>> Uh not so. I know. I know that they are
[25:21] still there, but no,
>> Office Depot is They just resigned their
[25:25] 5-year lease.
>> They did.
[25:27] » So, yeah, they're not going anywhere.
>> Oh,
[25:29] » yeah.
>> I'll be. Huh?
[25:32] » Yeah.
>> Thank you.
[25:34] » You're welcome.
>> So, everything is stable the way it is.
[25:37] Thank you.
>> That's it.
[25:41] » Any other questions?
[25:47] » May I have a motion?
Second.
[25:51] » Mayor Ro call.
[25:56] » Commissioner TK.
>> Yes.
[25:58] » Commissioner.
>> Yes.
[26:00] » Commissioner.
>> Yes.
[26:02] » Vice Chair Brown.
>> Yes.
[26:04] » Commissioner Tate.
>> Yes.
[26:05] » Commissioner Eisen.
>> Yes.
[26:07] » Motion carried.
>> Motion carried. Thank you for giving us
[26:10] that information. We really appreciate
the fact that you're there.
[26:17] Moving on to item eight, planning
commission
[26:22] matters for discussion.
>> Mr. Chair, I don't have a question, but
[26:27] I do have a comment I I want to um give
to Salam. I want to say welcome back.
[26:32] Welcome home. Salam just returned from
overseas. We were worried about you, so
[26:37] we're glad you're back.
>> Why don't you send a jet to get her?
[26:41] » I say why don't you send a jet to get
her?
[26:44] We could send a city jet.
>> Oh, well that's what I'm saying.
[26:47] » I I did send a jet. It's an invisible
one, but I did send it.
[26:50] » Oh, so she flew with her wings.
>> Okay.
[26:57] Uh I have a comment.
I enjoyed uh the discipline of the
[27:03] firemen
and the police officers. We had a fire
[27:09] over on Burton in one of the larger
houses.
[27:14] It is a scary thought that when you're
laying there taking a nap and the smoke
[27:19] starts coming into your house and you
believe that your house is on fire and
[27:25] when you jump up and you realize that
you have your alarm on and the fire
[27:30] engine is in your driveway.
So, you believe it's your house
[27:36] » that is having a problem.
But they were very good and they knocked
[27:41] it down early. Uh it was an event for
that day and they were completely
[27:49] professional and I was standing out
there in no shoes and my neighbors more
[27:53] worried about me standing there with no
clothes on. I said, "Hey, I had the
[27:58] smoke was in the house. What can I tell
you?" But they did a very professional
[28:02] job.
And it was good to see how
[28:06] professionally they moved, how good they
were, and how quickly they extinguished
[28:12] the fire. So we didn't lose the house
because the winds were blowing rather
[28:17] hard. And that's why most of the houses
east of there were filling with smoke.
[28:23] So, but my commendation to them.
>> Question about your comment.
[28:29] » Yes. What was what caused the fire?
>> Who knows?
[28:34] » Well, they were more concerned about me
catching cold because I was out there in
[28:37] a t-shirt.
>> Mr. Brown, don't you think you need to
[28:40] go inside? We haven't discovered what
the cause of the fire was. So, that's
[28:46] something that we'll do. I'm quite sure
they are reporting to the city on the
[28:51] fact that we had one, but I wanted to
give them accommodation for what they
[28:55] did because it was quick and it really
was silent.
[29:01] But thank you. Any other comments?
[29:06] No, Sullivson, we're done.
>> You know, with all we have tonight, I
[29:12] can't even get on your face.
>> No, you can.
[29:17] » Yeah, that's right.