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Welcome to this meeting of the Planning and Development Council of the Town of Oakville. We have no regrets, everyone is here. And Councillor, are there any declarations of conflict of interest on the agenda? Mr. Clerk, I don't see any. Council and everyone on the weekend, auto-jolonic passed. Auto-jolonic was an important and very sustaining Oakville story for many decades. His family fled Prague.

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after the communist coup and they rebuilt their court business here.

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He trained at the Oakville skating club and in 1962 he went back to Prague with his

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sister Marie and won the World Pairs title.

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He served more than two decades in the House of Commons.

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He held four cabinet portfolios and later he was Canada's ambassador to the Czech Republic.

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On behalf of Oakville Town Council, it's our condolences to the Johnic family.

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I would call on Council to join me in a moment of silence.

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Thank you, everybody.

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Council.

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Out of respect for the time of the...

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Planning staff who are here for item 7.1 and the proponent who is here to make the presentation to us. I'd like to move item 7.1 up for consideration now. And with that, I will turn to the planning director to our commissioner to set the stage for this.

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Thank you, Mayor Burton. This item is a public meeting. No decisions are being made this evening. It is for a proposal on Trafalgar Road at Burnham Thorpe.

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and the applicant from Urban Strategies, Eric Turkot,

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would be doing the presentation for this evening,

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and we'll be here to take notes and any council feedback.

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Thank you, then, let's welcome the presentation.

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I don't staff.

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Oh, good, you have a microphone on.

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Oh, can you hear me?

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Yes, now we can hear you.

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Thank you.

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My name is John Paul Fraser.

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I am the Director of Communications

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with West Kirk Capital Inc.

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staff, members of the community, thank you for the opportunity to be here today.

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Before we discuss the project, my colleague Eric is going to do that.

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I'd like to say a few words about Westerkirk, which is the organization behind the proposal.

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Westerkirk is an institutional scale investor, active in both public and private markets.

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Our portfolio includes a diverse group of Canadian businesses operating across the

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real estate, aerospace, media, beauty, and hospitality sectors.

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These businesses are supported by a team of professionals based in Victoria and my

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colleague, Chadie Bedoon, who's sitting behind me, who's the head of our real estate group,

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and I, that's where we work.

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While the Western Kirk name itself may not be familiar to everyone, several of our investments

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perhaps are.

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So one example is the Havelin Aircraft of Canada, which is a company founded in North

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East in Oakville, in Downsview nearly a century ago.

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Today to Havelin is a quarter to Calgary where work is underway on the next generation

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of firefighting aircraft.

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These aircraft will help communities in Canada and around the world respond to the increasingly

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severe wildfire conditions.

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to have and also maintains a significant local presence

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with engineering teams based in Mississauga,

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just south of the Pearson Airport.

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And also an Ontario DHC has subsidiaries in Fort Erie

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with Fleet Canada and in Hamilton with Mid-Canada Mod.

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Closer to Toronto and Scarborough,

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we own cosmetic laboratories,

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which is a cosmetics manufacturer in Customs Innovation House

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that develops beauty products for some of the world's

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most recognized brands.

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And we also own Vista Radio, one of Canada's largest privately held radio networks with

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stations across Ontario, as well as Alberta and British Columbia.

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In real estate, we work alongside two very highly respected development organizations.

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In Barry, we partner with George and Communities, which is a residential community developer and

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home builder, supporting several of their leading residential projects.

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and Dimitra Vancouver, we partner with Grovener

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and experience property owner developer

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on a project called Brent Woodblock,

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which is a major mixed use community

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that will include residential, commercial,

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and public spaces, including

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over 1,000 rental units.

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Although Westercker's investments span

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wide range of industries,

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they share an important quality.

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We're proudly Canadian.

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Together, our businesses employ

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thousands of people and making meaningful contribution to the communities where they operate

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and to the Canadian economy in general. Today we're about to speak with you about one of our

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newest ventures, the livable Trafalgar Project. This proposal represents a great deal of thoughtful work

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by us and our fantastic team of experience and dedicated professionals all based here in Toronto

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and the Toronto area. Our team cares very much about this region and it understands the communities

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that they work in and have helped shape many of those communities and we're

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proud to work with them. So together our hope is simple that one day life

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here in Oakville might be even better because of the community that we can

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build together at the corner of Trafalgar and Burman Thorpe. I'll now ask

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Eric Turcott, Principal of Urban Strategies, to walk us through the project and

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we look forward to your comments. Eric,

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good evening everyone. My name is Eric Turcott.

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I'm a partner at Urban Strategies, I'm extremely happy to be here today to provide you with

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an overview of our project, the livable Trafalgar.

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We have a great team that includes some architects and landscape architects, engineers from the

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region who's been helping us to create this, but we think of a very exciting vision.

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The project, livable, that we title livable Trafalgar, is a proposed new community located

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on the southeast quadrant of Burden-Torp and Trafalgar.

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The site is 20.2 hectare of about 50 acres and it's currently home of the Vic Hatfield

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Gulf and Learning Center.

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Some of the land is used for farming currently and there is as well an abandoned farmhouse

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on the property.

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Division, you know, what we're proposing is a new community, one that is designed as

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a mixed use community, that is that is integrate various type of housing, some ground related

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housing, some rentals, some condo, different scale.

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One is also integrated with green space, one that it's leading by landscape, that unit

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are connected to integrated open space that they are also integrated a little central plaza or place that's going to be the heart for a community that can have coffee that people can actually walk from the unit, go down and go to the main square that could be a place for celebration for gathering and then have a, you know, a section that is a small main street and then it's being as well complemented with courtyard.

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with green space, green roof, and so on.

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So something that we're quite excited.

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We look at the community as something slightly different

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and unique than what is currently usually proposed.

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What will feature is a series of interconnected plaza, courtyard,

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some bike lane, a series of new street.

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All together, it's 12 neighborhood blocks.

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It is a series of, it's about 27 new buildings.

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This is about, it is eight mixed-use tower.

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And by mixed-use we mean that there are some retail

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in the ground floor, or some amenity space.

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There is a grocery store that we're planning.

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The project has various types of unit

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that has some family type of units.

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This is about 35% of the unit right now

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that are three in two bedrooms

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that are kind of family-oriented.

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We have some commercial space.

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The density in total is about three times density.

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We have a new, some new park to public park space

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as well as a lot of private open space.

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So something that is fully integrated at that intersection.

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It's also a place that is connected to the new school

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that our plan, there's a primary school,

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and a secondary school that our plan adjacent.

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And so something that we are proud to create safe connection for the families and the kids are going to be living there.

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From an official planning designation, we are on the and the livable Oakville official plan.

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We are node and corridor, which is a place that's anticipated from growth through your planning document.

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And on the north Oakville East secondary plan, it's a that we are Trafalgar urban core area.

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All together, the project is our belief that it really advances the intent of this policy.

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The only thing that we are needing permission from an official plan perspective is to allow

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for up to 30 stories to be introduced.

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And that is to be in line to support the activities, the amenities, the retail, the grocery store.

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and it's also in line with some of the approval

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that are nearby.

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Zoning bylaw, we have to redo the zoning.

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Currently the zoning is future development,

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which is just a placeholder.

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So we'll have to introduce a new zoning,

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working with city staff just to provide the permission

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that will be generally in line with your Trafalgar urban core

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zoning designation, but as well obviously

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would specific height density set back and parking that will be tailored to the project itself.

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And you could see here some of the kind of the character that we feel that we see in those images

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of the type of place we see. We need a draft line of subdivision which in this part of Oakville

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is a typical thing. So 12 neighborhood blocks, five new public street. We'll have to dedicating some

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of the parkland as well as some of the private open space.

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We do have climate change because it's something that's really important for us, for the

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team and for Westerkirk.

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So green infrastructure, the way we're going to integrate in those green spaces, some way

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to help to manage runoff, maximizing and prioritizing biodiversity with native planting, low carbon

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design, landscape design to reduce embodied carbon by using durable, local resource materials,

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having buildings that are responsive through their orientation, selection of materials,

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building passive building design will also be a key feature of the project and will integrate

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blue and green roof, which are that retains water again to manage the climate change.

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water runoff. We've had so far, so we started a project in 2024. We started

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design, we advanced the design concept, we had a series of meeting with town

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staff, which had been very, very, having very helpful and productive

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conversation to continue to advance the project. We've met with our local

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councillors and regional councillor, we've had a conversation with the

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Althala, Islamic Center, as well as the Vic Hatfield

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Gulf facility folks.

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We had our public information meeting.

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We submitted the application back in April.

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So now it's an ongoing conversation

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that we are having with you, with the planning staff,

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with the regional staff.

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We also have a website where all the information is available

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to everyone and to provide comment and feedback.

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and the whole application is accessible there and as well we're going to continue on

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this lead to have conversation with you with city staff to continue to

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advance the application. So in conclusion what we see here is a community that

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is you know where you know for for everyday living that it's mixed use

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residential has commercial has many days that you don't have to drive for all of

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you needed is a lot of things that are into here in a compact compact

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facilities, a diverse mix use of buildings. So again, it's not one type of building where we're

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trying to create an offering for families, senior, young people. There's a lot of flexibility

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here. Some retail to support the community, including a grocery store and retail that is created

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in terms of creating a sense of community. We want folks to have at their doorstep access to green

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in spaces and then sustainable design.

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So this is something that we're quite proud of

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and we look forward to continue the discussion with you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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You have some questions from counselors

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if you'd like.

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Counselor Shia.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you for the presentation.

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So my first question is about the infrastructure

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and the community service capacity.

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So, this proposal is, like, is for massive scare of this development, it has over 60,000

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units.

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And I noticed the report, so there is no only 0.5 hectares of public open space, partial

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school blocks, and the servings transportation studies are still under review, so my question

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is for staff.

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So would you please clarify what is the town's current assessment of whether in the school

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parks, water, and the road infrastructure in that area can support such a huge development

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project. Has the Horton District or Catholic school board confirmed that the partial school

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blocks will be sufficient? Or is there a risk that the school capacity will lag behind

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the residents occupancy?

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So through you, remember, and we've received the first submission comments from the Region

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of Halton regarding servicing allocation, and at this point in time, the applicant is

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not part of the allocation program, so that's something that they'll need to do.

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We've also had ongoing conversations with the school board as to how they're building

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and their property will be integrated into this development.

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So those comments have been provided to the applicant, and we will expect further conversations

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to be held with them in order for them to submit their second submission.

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And all of this is preface that after the development applications were submitted,

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we received their EIRFSS, which is the servicing strategy for the development.

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That's also under technical review. And at this point, I think we're just waiting comments from Conservation Halton. Okay, because with over six thousand new unit proposed. So I just want to make sure the infrastructure and the committee's service keep pace with the population growth before this project proceed further. So my second question is about join the report. I found that the financial consideration section of the report is just

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as I simply say, non-currently.

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So however, this application evolved the town

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acquiring multiple blocks into a public ownership

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like park, school road network through the draft plan

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of this subdivision.

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So my question for stuff, so would you clarify

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given that town will be acquiring land

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as part of this subdivision, what's the anticipated cost

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cost to the town, for the land, infrastructure, construction, upgrade, and ongoing maintenance.

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And why does this report indicate there's no financial impact at this stage?

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Yeah, through the Merburden, so through the subdivision agreement is where we would outline cost

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allocation and servicing components to the applicant.

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The road dedication would be dedicated to the town, free and clear of any encumbrance.

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So there would be no cost associated associated with that.

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But again, the subdivision agreement would detail all of the construction requirements

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and timing mechanisms for the applicant or the developer at that time to complete the

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roads and surfacing in those types of construction details.

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Okay.

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So will be a detailed financial analysis like developing charges, cost sharing agreement,

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capital budget impacts would be included in the future recommendations report from staff

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before the council is exactly approved this application in the future?

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Through you, Mayor Verne. Yes.

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And through the appendices that would be attached to the future staff report,

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it can be identified what those details would be.

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At this time, it's still under review and we haven't got the full detailed comments yet.

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Okay. Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Councillor Nando.

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Thank you, through you, Mayor Verne.

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Thank you so much for the presentation.

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And I know we've been having ongoing discussions.

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So my first question is in reference to we were talking about the allocation.

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So you're looking at getting allocation when it comes up, again, at the region.

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So in terms of this project, how far out are you looking at before you even begin this

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project?

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Well, the next round of allocation is probably in five years or so, so by the time you

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do some additional design, we think that probably would not be breaking down for seven to nine

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years, I would say.

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And you're looking at doing it in phases of how many phases did you say again?

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So I think in the report, I think we've identified five or six phases,

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but it will take probably a couple of decades

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to actually build this full project.

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One is infrastructure needs.

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We have to build based on infrastructure capacity.

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We can fast, we can build.

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And so it will be a process.

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But yeah, well, I would say it's probably a, you know,

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a team to 20 year build out probably.

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Okay. And seeing as how the market is now,

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so we've seen that some developers have actually gone

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from high rise to low rise now, because you're sitting

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on the property, you want to be able to build something

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on there. And there's no market for condos right now.

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So do you foresee in the future that the plans may change?

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I would say that the, well, we're going to seek some flexibility, obviously there has to be some flexibility in the plan because we don't know where the market exactly is going to be in seven, nine plus year because some of it will be built in 15 years and now so we want to ensure that we won't, we want to recycle like any developer, we want to respond to market to community needs.

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So, in a way is something that, as time goes by, we will be to better today, we can't

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make quite the decision, but we think that, you know, the market will change.

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And as always, you know, adapted is always evolved over time, where is it going to be in

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a few years so we want to make sure to, but we, you know, what we are submitting today,

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we think it's, you know, very realistic, I think we think it actually responds to a part

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on the market that will be there in when time comes to actually put this first shovel

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on the ground.

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Okay.

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And so in terms of, we were talking about the pops earlier, the public, that is 2.3 hectares.

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Do you think that's enough for the whole subdivision?

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It actually, you know, when we actually look at the images of the, of the, it's actually,

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I would say it's actually quite generous.

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If you see every unit has green space that is like within a couple of minutes of walking

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space, which you probably don't have in most communities.

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So this is actually, we want to make sure that there's a lot of units that are directly

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facing or connected to those open spaces.

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We have a little plaza, which I think has a different function.

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And then we also make sure that these spaces are very, the other green space are really

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and we have a new park that is going to be built literally right next door to us and so we're providing, for example, where we have a new little main street, high street, that there is a public connection that will go from there directly into the new park so ensuring that these are really well connected.

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Okay. Thank you. And in terms of the units, are you proposing affordable housing? Any units for affordable housing?

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That is, I think we can have a conversation with town staff. It's too early to tell right now exactly how, but that's going to be part of when we discuss the application about how much affordable, what is it?

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And then also, you know, see there is a question, you know, right now the corridor is not a PMTSA,

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which do would be mandated. So I think we have to continue this conversation. There's a good long conversation

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ahead of us. Okay. And then in terms of unit sizes, you were saying 35% family sized units.

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So what are you expecting those to be two and three bedrooms or those are two

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yeah those are two in three bedrooms and as time goes by if you know there's a

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mad time there's a market for even more definitely something will be

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considering. So approximately what size would a family size unit be? You know

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they it's a bit too early to tell but I would say that what we've seen built

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lately in, you know, in the last few years, not big enough.

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I think we have to think that we have a little bit more

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generous that also people need a little bit of space.

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They need place for their stroller for a bit of storage.

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So I think that, you know,

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West or Kirk is a quite, is a sophisticated developer.

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So I think they want to ensure that the product is actually

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meet the need family community.

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And I think the one thing we may have discussed in one of our meetings was that if you have a bedroom inside a unit, the bedroom should have a window.

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We've seen units now where the bedrooms do not even have windows, which should not be considered bedrooms.

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So that's a concern. And we had discussed a grocery store in the area, so it would fit.

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but what was the size again?

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I'm thinking it's around 60,000 square feet.

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If I remember well, 50,000 square feet,

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something, it's in the document,

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but it's a significant grocery store.

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Okay, and then just lastly, parking.

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Yes.

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Is it enough parking per unit or how, go ahead.

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We think so.

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We have, I believe, it's 7,700 parking.

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majority is located on the ground there are a few blocks around for

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fog are on the edge of the fog are that some of it will also be integrated in

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the podium so we are ensuring that there's enough parking for residents for

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visitors but also for the retail the grocery store so that yeah that's what I was

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thinking so it's what did we say 60 700 units from 69 hundred units 64 hundred

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June 6, 420, 6420. And then about slightly over 7,700. So about 1,300. Yeah, I think it's around

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30 again. 1,300 for visitors and retailers. Something like that. I can, I don't have the

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number right off me. It's in the our planning report, but yeah, percentage is four to retail

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or the visitors as well.

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And that would include bike racks.

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Then in addition to that.

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It's sorry, in addition bike racks.

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Bike, exactly.

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Some of it will be bicycle ring that will be on the street.

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Some of it then will be secured bicycle parking inside buildings.

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Okay, all right.

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Thank you for the information.

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You're very welcome.

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Thank you Councillor, Councillor Neill.

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Thank you.

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The word seven councillors did an excellent job

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of picking off most of my questions but I do have a few left here going sticking with the grocery

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store for a second. I don't, can you tell me where is the grocery store proposed on this? I'm

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looking at the, I'm looking at the concept map here with all the different blocks.

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Maybe it's on the,

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it's in a podium, correct? It is located in a podium. So it is in the building

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at the south end of where you see block one. So right on the half that is south of the block one.

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So the block one. So it's on the other side of what you've discerned as main street. It's on the

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left of where you see the square. Okay. So it is a it's a grocery that is at grade and integrated

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into the podium of the building. Okay so just a moment ago you said that there are 7700 parking

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spaces and most of them run ground on ground level.

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Is that correct?

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On the ground.

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Underground.

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Underground is going to say where?

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You're going to put those.

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OK.

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But in terms of parking spaces for retail,

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where do you anticipate putting those?

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The one for the grocery store will be included.

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So we want to include, make sure that the retail parking

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is actually within the blocks that are designated for them.

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So for the grocery store, it would be in that block one.

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So they will be some that is inside the podium itself and some of them where they will be on the ground.

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Okay. Tell me a little bit about the rest of the retail space.

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So you said 60,000 square feet of grocery store.

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I calculated your metric of square meters to 155,000 square feet of retail space in total.

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So of that, of the 90,000 change extra square feet, how is that going to be allocated across this project?

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So maybe I'll go, first I'll go, so where you see on this diagram in the kind of highlighted

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in the red line, so the edge, so the way we see it is where the grocery store will obviously

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take a big section of that retail.

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And the rest we see it as kind of street-related, ground-related, so that would be the rest

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ground that many of these spaces will be, uh, support community space, you know, your

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dry cleaner, your coffee shop, uh, and so on. So that will be related. So linking Burnin

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Torp going down on that first north-south street, then coming what we refer to as our

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high street, main street that will come from the mid-blocks street that goes from Trafalgar,

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going east, we're trying to focus and concentrate it. I think the one thing we want to make sure

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the retail is into a focus location as opposed to all spread. We also know that you know we

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are wrapping just around the corner on Trafalgar and Burnin Torp but also those are I think a lot

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of it there will be there will be some retail like that are anchoring this corner but it's really

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the idea is to bring it in a place that is more pedestrian focused that is really oriented toward

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community. What about the sizes of units? So retail, one of the problems we've had with retail

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built, retail units being built in some of our communities across Oakfields, they're too small.

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And so what you end up with is not, you're not being practical for retail uses and they end up

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being coming, you know, services way too many, excuse me to tell you, way too many caripractors,

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way too many dentists, etc. As opposed to the animated retail stores that, you know, people expect.

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So what did your floor plate look like in terms of the square footage of stores that we

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make available. We haven't broken that down yet but we will have a retail

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consultant that will come in at some point to actually just go we have the

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flexibility that we can actually it's quite elastic we can actually make our

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unit a deeper or narrower or longer we have the flexibility and the

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importance here is we don't want to build retail it's not going to be useful for

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anyone that is like the thing the key with retail and you've seen it in many

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places. If it's not well built, it's not helping anyone. I'm not going to want people to be there.

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And we want to make sure here that it's actually very well tailored to the retail,

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the market reality. Yeah, if it's not large enough and there's not

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a convenient parking, it doesn't succeed. No. So those are the two things you're going to have to

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look at very carefully. Yeah, absolutely. In terms of, in terms of the style of ownership,

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you may have mentioned it. If you did, I apologize. Is it rental or condo or a combination of both,

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We do not know at this point, I think that giving that we're not going to start building for a number of years, depending on the market, it's too early to tell, but we will definitely have different.

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Okay,

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what about phasing for this retail, going back to retail for a second? I mean, how do you anticipate phasing this project in order to achieve a presence of retail before there's a critical mass of residences? And we have a community in Palermo, for example, on the west side of our community that still doesn't have really any services or retail.

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and it's been many, many years.

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How do you avoid that?

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How are you going to avoid that in this case

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so that people can move in

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and from day one, have access to retail?

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Yeah, the way we've actually been thinking

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about the phasing, it's exactly in that line

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in terms of making sure.

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So you want to ensure that you have enough people

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that can actually come and support that.

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So we know it's going to take a bit of time

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but the blocks that are facing on Trafalgar,

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which carries a fair amount of people.

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We think that starting with the south block

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then actually after that building the grocery store,

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we'll actually probably be the right thing.

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And then the third one, actually building around the plaza,

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we think is actually probably makes sense.

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Also, depending on what's going to happen around us,

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it's going to be quite critical.

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So for example, if we see that some of our neighbors

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who already have that location,

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if they start building earlier,

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maybe building the grocery store area earlier

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may actually make sense.

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So I think that in a few years,

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from now, there's a few scenarios that we've highlighted

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that we can actually go depending on the market,

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depending who's doing what, where,

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because we think that the area,

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the reason we're putting that amount of retail,

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and that's location a little square,

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we think it's something that is going to be,

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that's going to be a need for the community

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for that kind of space,

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that are not just for us,

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but I think for a bit of a larger radius.

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Okay, Councilor Nanda talked about the size of the unit.

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So are you suggesting that you'll be looking at up to three bedroom units for these particular?

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Yes.

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Okay, but you don't have a sense of the square footage of those units at this point?

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Not yet.

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We are working.

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We are architects, though, who's being, you know, that has a lot of experience, BDV quadrangle.

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We're looking at the size of the unit, we're not making shoebox units, we're actually making them more generous than what you see today.

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That's been built in the last 20 years.

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Now the market clearly is, and as we mentioned before, the market's clearly not here for these units today, and we don't know why that's going to return.

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But assuming at some point, should you get approval for this at some point down the road?

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What is your anticipated timeline?

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You said it's multiple decades, but when would you anticipate being in the ground?

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Is that strictly going to be market-based or are you looking at getting stuff done ahead of time?

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Well, I think we, I mean, as we talked about earlier, we need to have allocation.

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Once we have allocation and then go to the detailed design, we think breaking ground

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It's probably seven to nine years from now and it's probably a couple of decades to to build the whole thing

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What is that you're all you're referring to for the website? I couldn't find it. Oh, it is

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There

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it is with livable trufflegar.ca

451
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,240
Okay, those are all my questions for you. No, you worship. Thank you

452
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:33,160
Thank you, councillor

453
01:33:33,740 --> 01:33:35,840
Next up we have councillor Elgar

454
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,860
Thank you very much to remember. Thank you for coming tonight.

455
01:33:41,860 --> 01:33:43,120
Quite a few questions.

456
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,180
Wester Kirk never heard of them.

457
01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:51,820
And is that the, who owns it? Is it Sherry Brightson? Who owns it?

458
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:56,990
I'm going to last John Paul answered that question.

459
01:33:57,570 --> 01:33:58,030
That is correct.

460
01:33:59,230 --> 01:34:00,970
So she's from the Thompson family.

461
01:34:02,030 --> 01:34:02,550
Yes.

462
01:34:03,290 --> 01:34:04,850
Okay. Okay. That helped.

463
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:10,650
Now, I heard you say that you were connected, connected with something in Barry.

464
01:34:10,910 --> 01:34:13,630
What was the name of the developer in Barry that did the building?

465
01:34:14,090 --> 01:34:15,170
That Georgian communities.

466
01:34:16,090 --> 01:34:17,030
Georgian communities.

467
01:34:17,170 --> 01:34:17,370
Okay.

468
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:18,430
Because I couldn't find that.

469
01:34:18,770 --> 01:34:19,010
Okay.

470
01:34:19,090 --> 01:34:19,790
I'll check that out.

471
01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:22,670
And is the Gras veneer in B.C.?

472
01:34:22,670 --> 01:34:23,550
Is that who you're using?

473
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:25,370
A groviner.

474
01:34:25,530 --> 01:34:25,810
Yes, right.

475
01:34:26,050 --> 01:34:26,330
Groviner.

476
01:34:26,630 --> 01:34:26,890
Okay.

477
01:34:27,970 --> 01:34:34,550
So, if we take a look at it, so you got 6,420 units, 27 buildings, tensed our, ten

478
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:38,270
and tower development going up to 30 stories.

479
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:45,570
So parking ratio, we know 7,703 spaces on 6,420 units.

480
01:34:45,570 --> 01:34:47,990
So you got 1.2 parking spaces only.

481
01:34:49,010 --> 01:34:54,130
But you're gonna have 2,052 bicycle spaces supposedly.

482
01:34:55,190 --> 01:34:57,350
And then it goes on school blocks.

483
01:34:58,350 --> 01:35:00,970
And you know, and I guess you must have talked to school board,

484
01:35:01,190 --> 01:35:03,470
you know that there's no way that's enough space

485
01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:07,450
for kids to go to school. So you're, so you're trying to talk about a partial,

486
01:35:07,690 --> 01:35:11,650
partial school space, that's all. Is that what you're looking at?

487
01:35:12,090 --> 01:35:17,630
So we have been, we've received the comments from the, from the district school board.

488
01:35:17,870 --> 01:35:22,630
So we are having a discussion I think next week with them. They've actually requested that

489
01:35:22,630 --> 01:35:30,250
we add some of the land to, to be about to increase the current size of the parcel to

490
01:35:30,250 --> 01:35:40,490
15, 15 acres, so we'll have the, definitely have the conversation with them, because I mean having a secondary school and having one that can accommodate all the kids is quite important.

491
01:35:41,490 --> 01:35:52,650
Yeah, well, it sure looked like it to me like you got a big problem there unless nobody unless everybody quits going to school, so you got about 60 acres, so I just curious on Parkland.

492
01:35:53,230 --> 01:35:59,130
I'm sorry, I missed. I thought I saw something really crazy with Parkland. It was hardly a postage stamp.

493
01:35:59,770 --> 01:36:02,950
How big is the Parkland you're giving to the town right now you're going to dedicate?

494
01:36:03,450 --> 01:36:10,370
We have two public parks that are being dedicated and which represent 0.5 hectares.

495
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:17,310
That's it. 0.5 hectares for all the parks for 6,420 units.

496
01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:24,570
So what we have to remember is there is a land owners agreement was that was

497
01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:31,230
executed between the town and the land owners of the larger area that they

498
01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:35,250
pull together some that's why for example you have the the park next door

499
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:39,690
just to the east of us that is part of that overall contribution and then

500
01:36:39,690 --> 01:36:44,890
other parks so the parks are being distributed toward the into around the entire

501
01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:50,310
area and then there was a financial contribution then and areas that were

502
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:55,010
actually distributed between all the landowners that was that was signed.

503
01:36:55,730 --> 01:37:00,390
Well so you're telling me so roughly 15,000 people will not even have enough space

504
01:37:00,390 --> 01:37:06,410
to have a ball down it. Again, half a hectare come on, you know that. Yeah but they

505
01:37:06,410 --> 01:37:12,550
are there is a park that is immediately adjacent to the east that is actually part

506
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:15,670
part of that is just adjacent to the development.

507
01:37:16,270 --> 01:37:21,510
There are some other park space that are in the other quadrant that were actually part

508
01:37:22,350 --> 01:37:23,330
of the agreement.

509
01:37:23,630 --> 01:37:31,430
So it was, again, that was an agreement that was stricken between the town and all the

510
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:39,310
land owners of the area to ensure that park land was consolidated and focused into the

511
01:37:39,310 --> 01:37:41,370
the right place within that community.

512
01:37:42,230 --> 01:37:44,810
Okay, so you're saying like 15,000 people

513
01:37:44,810 --> 01:37:47,450
do not need a park in their own area, basically.

514
01:37:47,610 --> 01:37:50,270
That's basically a way it's designed right now.

515
01:37:51,110 --> 01:37:53,630
I hear you, and that's the way it is.

516
01:37:53,730 --> 01:37:54,530
Is that the way it is?

517
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:59,710
I, you know, my opinion is that we are creating

518
01:37:59,710 --> 01:38:01,890
some new park space within the development,

519
01:38:02,510 --> 01:38:04,950
and we are making action to do what I have.

520
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:11,850
Okay, for park space, like in Oakville, I can take you to, I'd love to drive you around

521
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:14,770
to show you the parks we have even in Glen Abbey, which isn't far away.

522
01:38:15,670 --> 01:38:18,830
And there are a lot of them and people love it.

523
01:38:19,050 --> 01:38:26,870
And this is what's happening as we go north, it seems to me that parks are, they're not parks

524
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:27,270
anymore.

525
01:38:27,690 --> 01:38:32,450
In fact, there are places where you can walk to maybe something, but you're saying you

526
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:38,390
you'll have to walk somewhere else to go to a part with this development of 15,000

527
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:38,730
people.

528
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:41,980
Okay.

529
01:38:42,300 --> 01:38:42,500
Okay.

530
01:38:42,780 --> 01:38:48,180
I know this is and what I like is that you've come forward and we're seeing it for the

531
01:38:48,180 --> 01:38:48,660
first time.

532
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:54,480
Now, when I look at public consultation, I got to tell you, do you think seven people that

533
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:00,260
attended the meeting that was virtual and only one written response, do you think that's

534
01:39:00,260 --> 01:39:05,220
a good, a good summation of the number of people that come out to talk about the,

535
01:39:05,540 --> 01:39:08,340
you know, to highlight the public meeting and how important it is.

536
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,320
Or do you think it may be a little bit weak?

537
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,540
We would love, we did this distribution.

538
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:15,620
We would love to see more people.

539
01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:24,800
And, you know, we are, we welcome more opportunity to have more public session in, in 2027.

540
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,340
So I appreciate that.

541
01:39:28,340 --> 01:39:29,340
Now, hope we can have that.

542
01:39:29,420 --> 01:39:33,760
Now, when you get into phasing, from what I've read, it's seven phases you're going to

543
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:33,960
do.

544
01:39:35,020 --> 01:39:40,160
And I tell you what the problem is, right now that we're facing, and I wonder how you're

545
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,680
going to resolve it, is the people move in.

546
01:39:43,420 --> 01:39:47,520
But the problem is a little bit of a delay in what the residents are looking for.

547
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:52,440
So as you say, it's going to start in eight or nine years and go for another 20 years.

548
01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:56,640
Can you ensure that all the amenities are going to be at the front end?

549
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:03,680
Which is now what all now we're that right now we're into an election time and everybody's it is promising all that stuff's going in first

550
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,920
As you as a developer are you going to be able to put all that stuff in first?

551
01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:14,700
Well, amenities are going to be built incrementally as each phase will include some amenities

552
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,880
And you know the infrastructure needs to be in place

553
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,100
So we are going to be putting as many as much as we can

554
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:26,240
But again, it has to be face based on you know where the infrastructure where we're going

555
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:32,300
How are we going to put the roads? How are we going to be connecting? So we want to make sure that it's done in a coordinated fashion.

556
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:38,620
I hear you. So we just, you have to, it will be a delivery lag, of course.

557
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:43,560
And it'll probably over the next 20 to 30, from what I'm hearing from you, 20 to 30 years, correct?

558
01:40:44,980 --> 01:40:51,460
Well, they will be, they will, we want to make sure that the residents, as we built different phases,

559
01:40:51,460 --> 01:41:00,180
We have to ensure that there will be a many space that will end in spaces that will actually be supporting the development as we go.

560
01:41:00,380 --> 01:41:03,640
So we are we will help to ensure that.

561
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,300
No, I appreciate your honesty. You know some is nice to hear some of you.

562
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:16,120
At least you'll admit it and you know not saying down the way it can later on when I'm probably won't be around in 20 first time, but now the last thing.

563
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:22,680
I think development charges always find interesting and you know I'm sure you're aware

564
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:27,280
of how we have got it the development charges as much as we have over the last since 1997,

565
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:28,980
but it's got a lot worse lately.

566
01:41:30,220 --> 01:41:36,040
And I note that how much do you think Council members of the existing population are going

567
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:40,640
to be contributing to the growth of your project based on what's what the development charges

568
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:42,160
are working right now?

569
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:50,720
so that you do not have to pay the full cost of the development for all the new infrastructure that's required.

570
01:41:52,220 --> 01:41:57,340
There's discounts all over the place and a lot more have shown up in the last few years.

571
01:41:58,380 --> 01:42:01,600
Like I'm sure you're well aware of it or you wouldn't be trying this project.

572
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:08,540
Two part to this. I mean, yes, we know that this is things that are happening currently.

573
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:20,660
Where is it going to be in seven, nine years, and plus years from now is we also don't know that and maybe city staff can help answer that question.

574
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:29,940
But from a ballpark point of view, from you being the person that's with the proposal, you have the numbers or you wouldn't even think about it.

575
01:42:30,020 --> 01:42:33,300
When I look at the family behind it, you know the numbers roughly.

576
01:42:33,860 --> 01:42:40,120
What do you think the existing taxpayers will contribute over the term of this 20-year

577
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,580
period to subsidize the development?

578
01:42:47,530 --> 01:42:49,370
I do not know how to answer that question.

579
01:42:51,070 --> 01:42:54,930
No, it's a tough one and nobody will answer it, so I appreciate your honesty again.

580
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:56,990
I think that pretty well does it.

581
01:42:57,070 --> 01:43:01,050
I know I've got a big issue about how much the public will have to contribute.

582
01:43:01,310 --> 01:43:03,930
Not your fault is because of what the province has done.

583
01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:07,870
and it didn't just start today, it started back in 1997.

584
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:13,350
I'm very concerned about the public consultation of only seven people attending

585
01:43:13,930 --> 01:43:15,910
and only one person writing a comment.

586
01:43:16,750 --> 01:43:20,930
The height and density, I think, is making a many downtown

587
01:43:21,710 --> 01:43:25,450
in this area with no parks for kids.

588
01:43:25,790 --> 01:43:27,610
And that's a very big concern I have.

589
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:30,810
And I realized the phasing over seven phases.

590
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:35,170
people when they buy they'll think they're going to have everything and they

591
01:43:35,170 --> 01:43:40,390
won't have anything for years to come and understand it. The school blocks I

592
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:44,070
sure hope you're working on them because a lot of mistakes have been made for

593
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:48,890
planning where the schools end up being the school land a little bit they get.

594
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:53,190
Somebody sells it and the kids are bust forever. I can take you around to show

595
01:43:53,190 --> 01:43:57,390
your locations and Oakville if you're ever interested. So I wish you luck in the

596
01:43:57,390 --> 01:44:04,410
on this, but I certainly don't like the amount of green space I see, and I hope that you'll reconsider a lot of this, and I thank you.

597
01:44:05,850 --> 01:44:09,230
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Ed brings us to Councillor Adams.

598
01:44:11,700 --> 01:44:16,260
Thank you very much. I want to have a lot of conversation about a lot of different things.

599
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:23,220
I have a relatively smaller item which is parking for visitors, and the use of paid parking for that.

600
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:29,500
not. In a recent application at 2172 Whitecroft Road, we included a commercial, a prohibition

601
01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:36,500
on commercial parking area use. Can we include that as well here so that in the residential

602
01:44:36,500 --> 01:44:41,460
buildings where you've got visitor parking, that that visitor parking is available to the

603
01:44:41,460 --> 01:44:48,240
residents without paying for it? I think it's probably too early to, we're really early

604
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:50,640
in the conversation. I think it's something we'll consider.

605
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:54,800
Okay, I wonder if staff could include that in the items to report back on.

606
01:44:55,660 --> 01:44:59,980
I think that's an important element to make sure that we don't have visitor parking being pushed out on the-

607
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,660
public streets. Yeah, the visitors parking as we are currently contemplated, contemplated, is actually integrated within the ratio of, you know, per each building in the underground. So I appreciate that it's there. But what I've seen all along the Trafalgar Road corridor here is that all the rental buildings, the condo buildings, they're all using a paid parking system for the visitor parking. Which pushes the visitors out onto the

608
01:45:29,660 --> 01:45:34,680
the neighboring streets, and so it creates parking chaos for, we'll look into the rest of the

609
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:34,880
neighboring.

610
01:45:40,180 --> 01:45:42,660
Thank you, Councillor. That brings us to Councillor O'Meara.

611
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:52,280
Thank you very much for your presentation. This reminds me off a lot about how North Oakville

612
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:56,640
happened about 20 years ago and you see the fruition now with some of the plans that are coming here.

613
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:05,060
So just to be clear, the school proposals are just future planning. There is no commitment from

614
01:46:05,060 --> 01:46:08,740
either of school boards to construct them as of yet is that correct?

615
01:46:09,620 --> 01:46:19,200
Well, they've been identified in the town's plan, and they are some discussion currently

616
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:24,980
with the school board about the size of the parcel for both the primary school, that is

617
01:46:24,980 --> 01:46:31,280
to the south, that we have is contributing a portion of the north portion of it, as well

618
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:32,560
as the secondary school.

619
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:45,080
So there definitely seems to be very high on their priority list in terms of making sure that at least they have the right parcel in place to accommodate the school in the future.

620
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:46,460
So they're differently on top of things.

621
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:53,740
Okay, well, you don't have to look further than board one to see what happens when a school board commits to something in the side not to and then it turns into townhouses later.

622
01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:02,380
So maybe staff can work on some of the language we used we've used where if the school board if the school decide not to move forward with school.

623
01:47:02,380 --> 01:47:06,440
that's some reason that it reverts back to town space or public space, we can work on some,

624
01:47:06,580 --> 01:47:11,560
maybe we can look into that. And just to pull the thread a little bit more on that, you said they

625
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:16,860
want an increase in the school board parcels, the school boards are looking for. So where would that

626
01:47:16,860 --> 01:47:22,100
increase come from? Would that come from the park space? No, it would actually be right now what

627
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:29,960
they're looking for is that a portion of our land to be included to complement the parcel that

628
01:47:30,860 --> 01:47:37,200
So it would be, you know, it would have to, it would have to be a portion of the land from our property.

629
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:38,240
Okay, okay, thanks.

630
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:46,080
And I know you've mentioned with regards to the park system that you guys are putting in .5, but you have paid for the bigger area of park.

631
01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:48,680
So I get that there's a master plan in place.

632
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:58,560
What I don't see in the renderings here are community facilities, are infrastructures like library spaces or recreational spaces,

633
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:04,840
or places for fires, services, or daycares, or those things that make complete communities.

634
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:11,980
Where is that going to go for anywhere from 10 to 15,000 people that will eventually be in that area?

635
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:16,780
Those are the conversation we'll continue to have with the town staff.

636
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:25,200
We fully anticipate that there would be a daycare here, that there would be some other amenity space that will be attached to the building.

637
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,740
Like you said, the community need these type of amenities,

638
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:30,460
and it's very important for us to have them.

639
01:48:30,660 --> 01:48:34,520
So they have not been, we have an identified

640
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,480
and many of these space within each of the buildings,

641
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,220
especially on the ground floor of the buildings,

642
01:48:41,480 --> 01:48:44,260
as well on the, for more private amenities space

643
01:48:44,260 --> 01:48:47,400
that would be located in the upper story,

644
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:51,060
but on the roof terraces.

645
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:53,820
But we will be having this discussion

646
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:55,160
and with town staff.

647
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,680
Okay, and that would be coming back in the final recommendation report,

648
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:02,880
or would that be getting kicked down to a detailed design?

649
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:06,060
Like, where do those decisions get met

650
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:08,120
onto a piece of paper for a council to look at?

651
01:49:08,740 --> 01:49:13,360
Well, I think maybe I'll turn to town staff for the details.

652
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:19,660
Through Mayor Burton, in Appendix D,

653
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,760
that's the applicant's draft zoning file at this time,

654
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:28,820
and they've identified a couple of community uses and as Mr. Turkot said the grocery store component

655
01:49:28,820 --> 01:49:33,900
so we can refine that a bit further to identify the public uses that you were identifying

656
01:49:33,900 --> 01:49:38,280
in the zoning biolum. That would be great, thank you very much and obviously the more of those

657
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:42,620
the merrier because somebody's going to put them in there later and it usually ends up as Councillor

658
01:49:42,620 --> 01:49:47,420
Elger said being left on the taxpayers because it didn't get involved in the first sense of it so

659
01:49:47,420 --> 01:49:49,040
So, it's great to get those going up front.

660
01:49:50,380 --> 01:50:09,780
I'm just, I'm trying to wrap my head around the assumptions and market predictability and where we're going to be in 20 years and these sorts of things and I guess would it be a fair assessment to say that you guys are trying to get the highest best land use planning permissible on the property now, though that may not come into reality, would that be a fair assessment?

661
01:50:10,820 --> 01:50:16,140
I would say we, what we are proposing is what we want to build.

662
01:50:17,540 --> 01:50:23,240
Could there be, you know, because it's such a long term plan, could there be small

663
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:28,480
modification on, you know, along the way, you know, part of the building gets lower,

664
01:50:28,900 --> 01:50:32,200
and the podium gets a little bit higher here, those are the kind of things, but we're

665
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,580
planning for that capacity. I think that's important. There's a lot of growth

666
01:50:35,580 --> 01:50:40,660
happening in Oakville, and we also want to make sure that the number of units that you see

667
01:50:40,660 --> 01:50:46,160
here is also helping to support the grocery store. There was a mini-d space you're talking about,

668
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:53,240
the at-grade retail, supportive retail, mini-d. So those are, you know, we feel that that density

669
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:58,920
is probably what it takes to actually create that kind of a complete community.

670
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:05,480
Okay, and I say that because there is a common thread that is lacing through Oakville that

671
01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:09,000
things are being built that are not reflective of what this community looks like.

672
01:51:09,260 --> 01:51:14,040
And it looks more like a Mississauga or a Toronto now with Liberty Village type blocks being

673
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:15,600
built throughout the town.

674
01:51:15,860 --> 01:51:21,380
And we've recently had a developer at the GELAN who worked with the town to make more

675
01:51:21,380 --> 01:51:25,100
of something that seems more Oakville-ish by urban design.

676
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:39,500
And I guess that's my, my wonder is whether there's a possibility for that in five years or six years that, you know, hey, this isn't working out the way that we thought it was going to work out that you can revert back to something that is not.

677
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:46,660
2030 tower-based, but it's story tower-based, but it's something more ground level.

678
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,400
We're seeing a real swell of people who don't want to live in bird nests.

679
01:51:49,660 --> 01:51:51,760
They want to live, you know, towards the ground.

680
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:59,380
So I guess my question is, is how do you, when you start the ball rolling on this and you

681
01:51:59,380 --> 01:52:03,320
got to go get allocation, it means you've got your FSI, your density, your numbers, and

682
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:04,800
that's what you're getting allocation back on.

683
01:52:04,860 --> 01:52:09,380
How do you change the plan when the ball already starts moving for what you're going to

684
01:52:09,380 --> 01:52:10,560
go and ask for allocation for?

685
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,800
Well, the structure, the way we actually plan for the

686
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,500
street and the open space, we think is actually create

687
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:19,200
really good block size.

688
01:52:20,060 --> 01:52:25,640
In a way, things can adjust over time within each of

689
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:26,320
these blockbite.

690
01:52:26,780 --> 01:52:28,880
Again, when we're going to come for our location, we're

691
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,440
going to be paying for X number of units.

692
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:34,260
We want to make sure that what we're paying for is what we

693
01:52:34,260 --> 01:52:36,220
can build.

694
01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:42,320
Okay, thanks. And my last question just has to deal with storm water. And, you know,

695
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,700
we don't have to look further than Toronto, St. Catharines, even Oakville, especially down

696
01:52:45,700 --> 01:52:53,980
by the lake. I think I did a quick calculation. It's going to like a 25% to 75% soft scape

697
01:52:53,980 --> 01:52:55,400
to hard scape for this whole plan.

698
01:52:57,940 --> 01:53:01,740
What are you going to do to mitigate where these massive

699
01:53:01,740 --> 01:53:06,080
influx of rainwater comes other than just putting it at a pipe and pushing it out somewhere

700
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:12,740
How are you going to or what is the plan going to look like in terms of using all of I know you mentioned bioswales

701
01:53:12,740 --> 01:53:21,140
But but I think what are we going to do to capture this rainwater that will be displaced by 75% of this development being hard-scape?

702
01:53:21,340 --> 01:53:26,960
So there's currently a this there's two part to that one is there's a currently a landowner group for the area

703
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:35,140
It is actually working with the town with the region to actually look at the water basin and and the watershed

704
01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:49,700
and actually plan all the infrastructure from sewer, water, storm water, and making sure that the ponds are in the right size, things are actually degrading in the right place and in the right size.

705
01:53:50,300 --> 01:53:58,160
So that is happening right now, there's a EIRFSS that has actually been submitted.

706
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:04,220
So we are, the town end of region is going to be reviewing all of the materials.

707
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:08,380
So there's no interest for us to think flood and things don't work.

708
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,820
The other thing too is when we look at the way we're going to be designing the building,

709
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:17,020
you know, the green roof, the blue roof, the one that can retain some of the water, how

710
01:54:17,020 --> 01:54:22,200
we're going to integrate in the in the street we're planning to actually have some facilities

711
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:28,520
that can actually absorb some of that water, some of that the green corridor that we have

712
01:54:28,980 --> 01:54:32,940
where place we want to make sure that there's some infiltration that happens there.

713
01:54:33,420 --> 01:54:39,340
If anything we think that is actually is that was actually being a priority as we designed

714
01:54:39,340 --> 01:54:44,640
this project that we ensured that it was actually integrated from the get go from the original

715
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:50,300
idea and that's why actually there's like you know lots of that of the of the open space that are

716
01:54:50,300 --> 01:54:55,700
part of the community that will be accessible for everyone is actually the way it's designed and

717
01:54:55,700 --> 01:55:00,580
integrated. Yeah I appreciate that some of the open spaces become their own storm water management

718
01:55:00,580 --> 01:55:04,600
ponds though unfortunately because of that so I appreciate that and maybe I'll just just note for

719
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:10,480
staff if we can make sure we're doing everything we can to to you know without getting our handslapped

720
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:14,780
by the province, but to make sure that we're doing green design and I think it behooves

721
01:55:14,780 --> 01:55:18,420
developers right now to pursue that as well, because that's what people are looking for

722
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:18,880
in their communities.

723
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:19,740
But thank you for that.

724
01:55:19,940 --> 01:55:20,460
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

725
01:55:21,900 --> 01:55:22,460
Thank you, Councillor.

726
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:24,180
And no, Councillor Housetail.

727
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:25,060
Thank you.

728
01:55:25,460 --> 01:55:28,780
And thank you for your patience and my colleagues for all their great questions.

729
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:36,560
So I'm going to echo a few that you've heard, and I'm not going to go on about it, but I really

730
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:44,680
We do think you need to revisit the park allocation and how you can enhance particularly

731
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:46,160
along the Trufflega corridor.

732
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:53,160
When you look at what you will call phase one and phase two, there really isn't green

733
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:54,940
space in phase one and two.

734
01:55:55,380 --> 01:56:02,820
It's only when you get to three that that park neighborhood park gets built and while I

735
01:56:02,820 --> 01:56:10,300
appreciate that, you know, you need to get momentum for the main street. People need to be

736
01:56:10,300 --> 01:56:17,940
able to get to green space faster in and the Trafalgar corridor looks quite vacant of green space

737
01:56:17,940 --> 01:56:24,680
until you push back in, which I appreciate you've contributed by the sounds of things to the community

738
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:31,700
park that will eventually get built. I wanted to compliment you on all of the green infrastructure

739
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:36,640
that you're espousing, you're going to do, are you going to do heat pumps in all of these facilities?

740
01:56:38,930 --> 01:56:43,910
Definitely something will be considered too early to tell, but I would suspect so, absolutely.

741
01:56:44,450 --> 01:56:56,090
Okay. I also wanted to understand a little bit about the walking distance going from the,

742
01:56:56,390 --> 01:57:01,950
I think it's called, on settlers to Trafalgar.

743
01:57:02,610 --> 01:57:04,910
I'm just from a walkability perspective.

744
01:57:05,230 --> 01:57:06,730
Do we know how many minutes that is?

745
01:57:07,050 --> 01:57:11,830
From the park, let's use the park, it's the far edge.

746
01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:17,950
From the park, it's about 800, I think it's about 750, 800 meters to walk there.

747
01:57:18,130 --> 01:57:22,870
So that would be about a 12 to 14 minutes walk.

748
01:57:23,550 --> 01:57:24,270
Okay, all right.

749
01:57:24,690 --> 01:57:28,570
So one of my questions to staff is from a transit perspective,

750
01:57:28,570 --> 01:57:34,830
of which has been one of the challenges that the ward counselors keep helping us raise

751
01:57:34,830 --> 01:57:41,850
as a concern, is there a transit plan that will work for this neighborhood? So is that

752
01:57:41,850 --> 01:57:51,250
walking distance such that the fingers crossed rapid bus coming down to a fogger that this

753
01:57:51,250 --> 01:57:56,070
will actually, you know, ensure that we get people on that bus?

754
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:56,270
Yes.

755
01:57:59,220 --> 01:57:59,380
Yeah.

756
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:04,840
If we're able to pull up the presentation again, I can hopefully identify where my understanding

757
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:06,780
is of the BRT stops.

758
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:10,360
Essentially, there'll be a long-travel at the major intersections.

759
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,860
Unfortunately, it's a little bit difficult to see, and I'm not even sure if I can control

760
01:58:23,860 --> 01:58:36,250
the mouse, but I was hoping to see the roads identified on the plan, but as best I can

761
01:58:36,250 --> 01:58:42,350
described. So along Trafalgar at Burnhamthorpe, you have settlers road, which is where you've

762
01:58:42,350 --> 01:58:47,750
got the, it says 12 in brackets, 24, then P. That settlers road coming from the west.

763
01:58:48,190 --> 01:58:53,370
So that will connect with Trafalgar. There will be a BRT stop there. Further south, at the

764
01:58:53,370 --> 01:58:58,830
bottom of the map where it says NC7, I believe that's Marvin Road. So that's supposed to connect

765
01:58:59,290 --> 01:59:03,050
as well to Trafalgar. And then further down from that, unfortunately, it's not on the page.

766
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:05,590
But you've got wheat, boom, and threshing mill.

767
01:59:05,870 --> 01:59:10,790
So all of those intersections will have BRT stops to my understanding as thus far in

768
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:13,070
the design which started in 2025.

769
01:59:13,770 --> 01:59:17,630
But for the future recommendation report I can get for the details from transportation

770
01:59:17,630 --> 01:59:22,590
staff as to the active transportation network and the Oakville Transit network.

771
01:59:23,150 --> 01:59:23,310
Okay.

772
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:23,990
Thank you for that.

773
01:59:24,710 --> 01:59:29,790
And can you just confirm bike lanes on all of those roads or just on the main?

774
01:59:30,930 --> 01:59:35,150
Through you remember, now I have to confirm which roads specifically have been identified

775
01:59:35,150 --> 01:59:38,890
to have bike lanes, whether it's the arterial or collector roads.

776
01:59:39,630 --> 01:59:43,710
It depends on the road classifications, so I'll have to get details about that.

777
01:59:44,130 --> 01:59:53,390
Okay, while I have you up, there is a section that talks about establishing a minimum number

778
01:59:53,390 --> 01:59:59,970
of units for the development and what I'd like to understand is how does that

779
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,000
Does that benefit the residents?

780
02:00:03,980 --> 02:00:31,160
Through you, Mayor Burton, in terms of establishing a certain number of units, through discussions with the school boards in order for them to come online and do their programming, they have to do certain evaluations about the number of units and then figure out the population. So, going back to the question about when the school boards would potentially build their sites, I think, as far as community benefits go, having a solid population would allow the school boards to do their work

781
02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:37,000
to bring those schools online. Further south of this property, if you'll remember, there's the

782
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:42,720
IO and Argo Trafalgar lands. So those developments are also bringing schools online. So it really

783
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:48,480
depends on the population timing, in my opinion, as to when those schools can come online. And then,

784
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:54,940
I believe when I brought the IO application forward, there was questions about pairing park lands

785
02:00:54,940 --> 02:01:00,940
and active park space with school boards. So I think all of that kind of plays into the question

786
02:01:00,940 --> 02:01:05,340
you asked about the number of units and the number of residents that will be living and

787
02:01:05,900 --> 02:01:13,920
living and working and playing in this area. Okay. So that takes me to basically a master plan

788
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:20,200
on the borders around this. So when you come back, will we see that in terms of

789
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:27,960
you know what that surrounding community will also contribute? Because they change where people go

790
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:33,900
to school all the time is my recollection, so understanding the population bordering

791
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:36,920
it would also be helpful when you come back, not today.

792
02:01:38,540 --> 02:01:44,120
I do have a bit of a concern with a minimum number and it's related to what you heard

793
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:47,520
from the Ward 7 councillors about size of units.

794
02:01:48,260 --> 02:01:54,500
So if there's a minimum number that they have to hit and we know that the market is shifted

795
02:01:54,500 --> 02:02:12,580
and two and three bedrooms need to be, you know, certainly not at 35% certain, that's just like I think that should be a non-starter but if we know or the market shifts even further establishing that minimum number, what happens to the developer who goes,

796
02:02:13,060 --> 02:02:22,200
well I'm not building the same number of units but I'm building more of what the market has asked for the two and three's, which has incrementally more people in it.

797
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:23,920
How does that get addressed for them?

798
02:02:31,940 --> 02:02:35,000
I'm going to take a stab at this one, and Brandon may help me out.

799
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:42,520
Councillor, as the sites develop, as the units are built, as people start to move into

800
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:49,180
them, the school boards work through their forecasting of how many students would typically

801
02:02:49,180 --> 02:02:56,140
be generated out of different type of unit, whether that's for a large department unit, whether

802
02:02:56,140 --> 02:03:01,280
that's for townhouses, for example, the school board works through those very detailed

803
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:02,960
forecasts, both boards, in fact, do that.

804
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:07,840
And they do confer with us as well on how that is taking place over time.

805
02:03:09,980 --> 02:03:16,540
What we have learned from the Halton board is that they are short right now in terms of

806
02:03:16,540 --> 02:03:22,280
the number of schools based on the number of students which have been generated out of

807
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:23,960
the existing housing stock.

808
02:03:24,620 --> 02:03:32,660
We have predominantly lower density throughout North Oakville, meaning we have a number of

809
02:03:32,660 --> 02:03:37,080
singles and semis, etc., but they're not generating two students out of these houses.

810
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:40,180
They're generating five, in some cases, or more.

811
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:47,940
So this has thrown their forecasting out of whack, and that has become a big variable, less

812
02:03:47,940 --> 02:03:50,640
so on the apartment size, that there's a little bit more predictability out of that.

813
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:55,220
So the boards have told us that they need at least three more school sites throughout all of North Oakville.

814
02:03:55,900 --> 02:04:03,560
We've been working with the board to try to find adequate space to to put schools, but as you know lands a bit of a premium right now in North Oakville

815
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:08,100
There isn't any more land to to build on beyond what has already been

816
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:16,500
Purchased by by developers for residential purposes. So we're looking at different ways in terms of delivering schools

817
02:04:16,500 --> 02:04:23,520
whether that's in podium schools, like we've been looking at Midtown, whether that's sharing space with other agencies.

818
02:04:24,160 --> 02:04:30,820
So we're working with the board to try to find ways to deliver the more school opportunities.

819
02:04:31,260 --> 02:04:34,660
But that's really only going to be dependent on how accurate they are from a forecasting.

820
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:38,960
So once the units start to go in, once we get students generated out of the units,

821
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:44,700
they'll have a better compass in terms of how to then look at additional schools

822
02:04:44,700 --> 02:04:46,900
throughout North Oakville as time goes on.

823
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:48,400
It's non-exact science.

824
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:50,340
It is going to take some time to work through,

825
02:04:50,540 --> 02:04:53,140
but they are basing this on the information that they have

826
02:04:53,140 --> 02:04:54,580
and the information that we're able to give them.

827
02:04:55,660 --> 02:04:57,420
So I appreciate that explanation,

828
02:04:57,620 --> 02:04:59,340
and I think lots of people should understand

829
02:04:59,340 --> 02:05:01,000
that around the schooling piece.

830
02:05:01,740 --> 02:05:04,780
But if I'm Wester Kirk or whoever's going to build it,

831
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:07,600
and it says, your minimum that you have to achieve

832
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:11,960
is 6,400 units, and they come back and say,

833
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:16,780
Well, actually, as the sites are evolving, I'm below that target.

834
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:21,120
But I'm below that target because I'm actually building what people want.

835
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:26,500
Not a bird's nest, as Councillor Mirrors said, but something that's got decent size, which

836
02:05:26,500 --> 02:05:28,900
means my capacity has changed.

837
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:32,760
Do they have to come back for a zoning amendment, an OPAA?

838
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:37,800
How does this protect them from trying to do the right thing for our community?

839
02:05:39,780 --> 02:05:43,760
The Board's projections aren't going to be based on one sole development.

840
02:05:44,180 --> 02:05:51,300
It's going to be cumulative across a number of debalances going to shift over time where

841
02:05:51,300 --> 02:05:56,260
you're going to have lower population closer to Dundas as the new housing progresses to

842
02:05:56,260 --> 02:05:59,180
the north and you'll see the population shift.

843
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,120
And that's what happens as the demographic shift through the municipality.

844
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:06,540
So the board constantly has to be in flux to meet those requirements.

845
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:11,080
So it's not just the number of students that are being generated out of one development.

846
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:14,860
It's going to be what's getting generated out of the entire community and how are they going to accommodate that?

847
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:18,320
Similarly, you'll have students who will shift boards as well.

848
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:20,280
That puts some additional strain on them.

849
02:06:20,980 --> 02:06:26,080
People moving, et cetera, as the demographics shift in terms of aging.

850
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:32,780
So all of these things have to be weighed by the boards as the community continues to evolve.

851
02:06:32,780 --> 02:06:40,640
as a mature. But we're putting in an OPA, a minimum number of units. So is that locked in?

852
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:48,720
If Westerkirk builds only as they're advancing, the forecast shows that they're not going to

853
02:06:48,720 --> 02:06:55,500
hit that minimum number. Is there a penalty to them? Through you, Mayor Burton. We would look at

854
02:06:55,500 --> 02:07:02,440
a minimum units across the majority of Trafalgar Road. That's how Trafalgar has been designed

855
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:14,940
as a minimum map SI so that we know that the investment that's going in not just the soft infrastructure like schools et cetera but the hard infrastructure as well, that we're working with the region, for example, to make sure the pipes are sized appropriately.

856
02:07:15,620 --> 02:07:26,620
So it's not so much that there's a penalty to a developer. It's ensuring that the community overall is going to function and that we are making sure the amenities that are going to support that community are going to be in place.

857
02:07:27,140 --> 02:07:30,920
Okay, but I think the gentleman understands my point.

858
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:35,640
If you need to build these at two and three bedrooms, which is really where people told us

859
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:38,440
that we didn't know what we were talking about when we talked about two or three bedrooms

860
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:39,600
two years ago.

861
02:07:39,980 --> 02:07:45,360
And of course the market is now saying, oh, you should have built them bigger as you said earlier.

862
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:51,300
So hopefully the logistics of all this make you realize that what's necessary.

863
02:07:51,300 --> 02:07:57,700
I wanted to just understand what conditions get put in place to ensure deliverable.

864
02:07:58,420 --> 02:08:01,260
So we've got to phase one, a phase two, a phase three.

865
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:09,140
Are there any conditions that the town can put in place to ensure timelines or an ability

866
02:08:09,140 --> 02:08:16,600
to deliver the development as described in an approved OPA or zoning?

867
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:19,880
Are there any conditions or

868
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:21,680
sureities that we have?

869
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:33,270
Through you, Mayor Burton.

870
02:08:33,630 --> 02:08:38,930
In terms of working with the applicant, we would look at milestones.

871
02:08:39,430 --> 02:08:41,610
For example, there's ways to put those in place.

872
02:08:41,810 --> 02:08:47,210
We can tie deliverance of infrastructure, for example, to staging.

873
02:08:47,630 --> 02:08:53,510
That's why we have phasing plans to identify what needs to be accomplished at what time.

874
02:08:53,690 --> 02:08:56,010
There was discussion earlier about ensuring that.

875
02:08:56,010 --> 02:09:02,430
that the amenities are in place as the population arrives, as Mr. Turkot was saying the intent

876
02:09:02,430 --> 02:09:05,150
is to ensure those amenities are there as they're moving through.

877
02:09:05,310 --> 02:09:11,770
So we can put in place those types of conditions, we can use holding provisions, we can use phasing

878
02:09:11,770 --> 02:09:12,390
as well.

879
02:09:12,530 --> 02:09:16,990
So there's different things that we can put in place that helps the developer achieve what

880
02:09:17,530 --> 02:09:18,350
Council's looking for.

881
02:09:18,930 --> 02:09:19,290
Okay.

882
02:09:19,630 --> 02:09:20,950
I'm going to just shift now to zoning.

883
02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:39,930
So when I looked at the zoning amendments, there are sections that talk about an FSI of 5, and yet what you've presented to us today says an overall average of 3, and that's not what the actual zoning, the draft zoning says.

884
02:09:39,930 --> 02:09:48,250
So are we going to use, I guess to staff, are we using a higher number for a reason?

885
02:09:48,450 --> 02:09:51,350
Because that's not what their presentation has told us.

886
02:09:53,070 --> 02:09:56,490
Do you remember in that comment did, as well, get picked up by zoning.

887
02:09:56,650 --> 02:09:59,250
So it's something that we'll discuss with the applicant as their plans evolve.

888
02:10:00,010 --> 02:10:03,950
Okay, because there, and there's some sections that say, FSI does not apply.

889
02:10:04,650 --> 02:10:08,550
Yeah, do you remember in the exact that was caught in the zoning comments on the application that's far?

890
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:12,150
Okay, sorry sir, but with densities my thing lately.

891
02:10:13,070 --> 02:10:19,630
And then my other question is just around the, how do I ask this,

892
02:10:23,200 --> 02:10:25,280
if the

893
02:10:28,420 --> 02:10:30,120
OPA right now,

894
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:35,320
and I think Brandon, in my conversation with you and asking questions earlier today, the

895
02:10:35,320 --> 02:10:41,840
OPA talks about 30 stories, but on your picture you're talking about, you're showing I think

896
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,900
three at 30 stories and the rest are less.

897
02:10:45,900 --> 02:10:53,540
So are we going to be precise about how many can be at 30 stories if this moves forward?

898
02:10:54,660 --> 02:10:59,420
Yeah, three remember and if we're able to pull up the presentation again, what

899
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:04,840
we've typically

900
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:12,220
done with other applications along the Trafalgar corridor and the TUC lands is there's bands

901
02:11:12,220 --> 02:11:13,000
of heights.

902
02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:18,000
So if we go here, typically within 0 to 100 meters if you're

903
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:20,940
Fulgaro, there would be a certain permission for up to 30 stories.

904
02:11:21,340 --> 02:11:25,900
And then you would tear down from there so you would have 100 to 300 meters away from

905
02:11:25,900 --> 02:11:29,740
Trafalgar, it would tear down to their proposing maximum of 24.

906
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:34,440
And then outside of 300 meters the maximum looks like it would be 18.

907
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:40,780
So we would specify in the opane and the zoning where specifically those heights would be distributed.

908
02:11:40,780 --> 02:11:44,440
So they more accurately reflect the plans that are being shown.

909
02:11:44,940 --> 02:11:46,480
So there's bands of heights.

910
02:11:46,740 --> 02:11:52,000
And it's reflecting what's already in the North Oakvilley's secondary plan,

911
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:54,700
but just specific to this site development.

912
02:11:55,240 --> 02:12:01,560
Okay. With the recognition that I think it's planning that trained us on all this,

913
02:12:01,740 --> 02:12:04,800
that not all of turf augers going to be 30s.

914
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:07,700
If you're a 30, then the one beside you's got to be lower.

915
02:12:07,700 --> 02:12:10,380
or one beside that might have a different height,

916
02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:11,900
so there's a variation in height.

917
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:13,640
That's all taken into consideration.

918
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:14,460
Okay.

919
02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:18,460
Well, for all the negatives you've heard tonight,

920
02:12:18,620 --> 02:12:21,140
what I would like to say is that it's good

921
02:12:21,140 --> 02:12:22,380
to see some green on the map.

922
02:12:22,860 --> 02:12:24,840
It's good to hear about green infrastructure.

923
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:30,140
And in particular, I like that you've got eights and sixes,

924
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,260
which are really speak to that.

925
02:12:32,500 --> 02:12:34,120
People don't want to live in the bird.

926
02:12:34,300 --> 02:12:36,140
They want to be closer to the ground

927
02:12:36,140 --> 02:12:41,080
And the more you can do that, well, the reality is you will sell those a whole lot easier

928
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:43,820
and rent those a whole lot easier than the others.

929
02:12:44,180 --> 02:12:51,440
So I think with more effort on adding more green space and dealing with the school and

930
02:12:52,060 --> 02:12:56,600
some of the other pieces, I think that there's something here to be explored.

931
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:57,760
And thank you for your time.

932
02:12:58,420 --> 02:12:58,680
Thank you.

933
02:12:59,660 --> 02:13:00,540
Thank you, Councillor.

934
02:13:00,540 --> 02:13:02,040
Councillor Chisholm, it's your turn.

935
02:13:03,020 --> 02:13:03,260
Thank you.

936
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:08,720
Very quickly, I just have a couple of questions or suggestions that we're looking at green

937
02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:09,200
infrastructure.

938
02:13:09,400 --> 02:13:12,980
I'd like to highlight the green infrastructure in this development.

939
02:13:13,140 --> 02:13:19,920
It is a large development to be more creative and come up with a strategic plan for infrastructure

940
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:20,940
for green infrastructure.

941
02:13:21,220 --> 02:13:23,860
I know the gray and we're pushing water out.

942
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:30,060
We'd like to see the water be put back into the neighborhood through programs where you

943
02:13:30,060 --> 02:13:34,120
recycle water into our plants, our parks, and so forth.

944
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:39,740
This day and age is to flush it out into gray infrastructure.

945
02:13:40,140 --> 02:13:42,660
It's gonna be pushed down all the way down probably to the lake.

946
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:47,340
If we can maintain that kind of with all the weather problems

947
02:13:47,340 --> 02:13:49,540
we're having to come up with some type of retention,

948
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:53,140
tanks, ponds, and recycling opportunities,

949
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:58,060
I'd like to see that highlighted in the future applications

950
02:13:58,060 --> 02:14:02,680
to come through. We have a real good understanding of green infrastructure, because we're covering

951
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:10,000
everything with concrete steel and in asphalt, we need to look at how we're going to manage and

952
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:19,200
mitigate mature water conditions for flooding. So I think that is going to be a big, big design

953
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:24,940
factor within any development, knowing where our weather patterns are now. So I just leave

954
02:14:24,940 --> 02:14:29,420
is that and saying let's can we consider looking at a strategic, I don't know if the word strategic

955
02:14:29,420 --> 02:14:36,180
or a detailed plan of green infrastructure into this development. I'll just leave it to

956
02:14:36,180 --> 02:14:41,720
that. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. For a second time may you go back to Councillor Nanda.

957
02:14:42,620 --> 02:14:46,480
Thank you, through you, Mayor Burton. Thank you so much to my colleagues for all the comments.

958
02:14:46,820 --> 02:14:54,000
I did just want to go back to the school's comment that my colleague was just speaking about

959
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:59,980
specifically just one to first of all say being in this community for as long as I've

960
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:22,760
I don't think I've seen a school yet. That is not overpopulated. And even though we continue to build more schools, we still seem to be falling behind. So these two sections that you have for the schools, can you confirm again? Is it just for the public board or for public and Catholic?

961
02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:32,220
it's both schools are one is for a public it's both are public for primary and for secondary school.

962
02:15:34,220 --> 02:15:36,360
So what about the Catholic board?

963
02:15:37,580 --> 02:15:39,820
What about discussions with Catholic board?

964
02:15:41,020 --> 02:15:43,380
Through you Mayor Burton, sorry, I'm going to keep pulling up this first,

965
02:15:57,720 --> 02:15:58,520
sorry, can we go back

966
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:08,820
slide to the color coded one. Yes, too far. There we go. So, the oval shaped secondary school

967
02:16:08,820 --> 02:16:16,580
site, I believe, is the Holtin District School Board, and then the smaller rectangular school

968
02:16:16,580 --> 02:16:21,020
site, I believe, is the Catholic Board, but I will confirm that through the pre-consultation meetings

969
02:16:21,020 --> 02:16:27,280
that we've had with Tri-Baden, which is the Lands to the South. We've gone comments from the Catholic

970
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:29,700
board on that site, and I believe that's their site.

971
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:39,580
So then that brings up another big concern, not to have a public school in this area.

972
02:16:40,060 --> 02:16:40,280
Where

973
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:47,850
would the public school be that would be close to there then?

974
02:16:51,060 --> 02:16:58,320
Through you remember, and I believe, through the IO development, we secured it on the west side

975
02:16:58,320 --> 02:16:58,880
of Trafalgar.

976
02:16:59,100 --> 02:17:02,320
But again, it's something that I'll confirm because if you recall, there was the two school

977
02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:07,480
sites that we added new symbols on, so they are within the area. And they're the new sites

978
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:09,640
that were added that weren't planned for originally.

979
02:17:10,820 --> 02:17:16,620
Okay. So I think we would need to have more discussion because as I said, even if, even

980
02:17:16,620 --> 02:17:22,100
if we're not even building at the level where my colleague was just saying, if you're not

981
02:17:22,100 --> 02:17:28,880
even able to build 6,000 in the future, even half of that, I can still guarantee we need

982
02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:35,860
schools because we continue to build schools and within a year or two they're overpopulated

983
02:17:36,300 --> 02:17:44,620
and we're building them within our areas that are already built up at the same time that the

984
02:17:44,620 --> 02:17:50,960
schools are going going so and then my other colleague who earlier said that the schools I got changed

985
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:58,780
and they built townhouses and I know that's happened in a couple of areas so to our staff

986
02:17:58,780 --> 02:18:04,060
it's going to be very important to make sure that if we're going to put this

987
02:18:04,060 --> 02:18:09,240
population in for these communities that we are going to be able to service

988
02:18:09,240 --> 02:18:14,120
them properly through everything all the discussions that were had I don't

989
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:18,060
want to go through everything now but everything that we've had this is going to be

990
02:18:18,060 --> 02:18:25,380
one of the most important ones as well thank you thank you Councillor Nanda are

991
02:18:25,380 --> 02:18:28,920
Are there any members of the public with comments or questions on the file?

992
02:18:31,360 --> 02:18:31,580
All right.

993
02:18:32,380 --> 02:18:38,900
Then we need a mover and seconder for the agenda recommendation that the public meeting report

994
02:18:39,800 --> 02:18:45,300
be received and that the comments from council was respect to the matter be received.

995
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:50,500
And the staff consider such comments as maybe as have been provided by council.

996
02:18:50,500 --> 02:18:52,800
in a mover and seconder, a couple of hands,

997
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:55,500
Councillor Nanda, Councillor Shia, thank you.

998
02:18:55,800 --> 02:18:56,280
Any objection?

999
02:18:56,940 --> 02:18:57,480
They're being none.

1000
02:18:57,980 --> 02:18:58,840
Council that carries.

1001
02:19:00,620 --> 02:19:02,900
I call your attention to item number three now.

1002
02:19:03,500 --> 02:19:07,240
The confirmation of minutes of the previous P&D council meeting.

1003
02:19:08,060 --> 02:19:12,600
And I ask if you have any questions or corrections.

1004
02:19:13,260 --> 02:19:15,980
And if not, a mover and seconder, Councillor Longo

1005
02:19:15,980 --> 02:19:17,380
and Councillor Giddings, thank you.

1006
02:19:17,620 --> 02:19:18,240
Any objection?

1007
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:22,620
are being none the minutes are adopted. The advisory committee minutes from Heritage

1008
02:19:22,620 --> 02:19:28,960
Jokeville include a recommendation and we need a mover and a seconder for those.

1009
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:35,900
Councillor McNeese, thank you. Good to get you on the minutes and Councillor Lago,

1010
02:19:36,140 --> 02:19:40,500
I see your hand. Thank you. Any objection? If being none, that is adopted as well.

1011
02:19:40,500 --> 02:19:47,900
and we have two consent items, the state of housing report and the notice of

1012
02:19:47,900 --> 02:19:53,440
intention to designate $3,269 Dundas Street West. Councillor Elgar.

1013
02:19:55,480 --> 02:19:59,720
Mayor Burton, through you. Thank you very much and I'd like to thank staff for the

1014
02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:11,760
dishousing report. My concern is, you know, it looks like we're supposed to be

1015
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:20,800
way it's going since January 2023 we're running about 2,384 units a year or 28% lower than

1016
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:27,060
what we should be doing. So I'm just wondering where we're really projecting we're going to

1017
02:20:27,060 --> 02:20:35,500
be at 2031 because if we continue with this rate we're going to be between 23,024,000 and our staff

1018
02:20:35,500 --> 02:20:42,800
will they be providing an update for forecast gap rather than leaving us to do the math

1019
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:48,240
ourselves? Like can staff comment on that? It's a bit of a 28% that they did a bit of a gap.

1020
02:20:51,210 --> 02:20:51,690
Director.

1021
02:20:55,610 --> 02:20:57,610
Thank you, Mayor Burton, and through you to the Councilor.

1022
02:21:00,540 --> 02:21:03,880
With the 2026 census coming out

1023
02:21:03,880 --> 02:21:12,080
in the next little while, we're going to have some updated information which is more clear for us right

1024
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:14,660
we have right now, which is based on the 21 census.

1025
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:19,580
The other part of it is the forecasting work that we've also been doing.

1026
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:24,900
So pulling these together, we're going to have some more information available probably

1027
02:21:24,900 --> 02:21:30,140
in early 27 and be able to report back to council at that time.

1028
02:21:30,920 --> 02:21:34,360
I won't give you a specific time because we need to see the timing that we're going to

1029
02:21:34,360 --> 02:21:40,480
get the census information, and that would also be then feeding into the OP review program

1030
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:50,800
as well. So, Gabe, you're right about the 2026 census per population comes out the end of 2026,

1031
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:56,000
but it won't be until the end of 2027, we get the housing data from the same report, correct?

1032
02:21:56,920 --> 02:22:02,180
So, is that how well, so that's when you will be coming back with the OP review? That's what you're

1033
02:22:02,180 --> 02:22:02,480
thinking.

1034
02:22:04,660 --> 02:22:07,200
There's a number of different avenues that we're looking at right now,

1035
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:14,500
Councilor, we do track and you can find this information on the planning and development

1036
02:22:14,500 --> 02:22:20,840
hub on the town's website, which does track how many units we are producing year over

1037
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:25,640
year. There's a number of variables that you can plug in to get a accurate picture

1038
02:22:25,640 --> 02:22:32,200
of what we've been producing over the last number of years. With that information coupled

1039
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:36,680
with the census information, we're going to be working further on our forecasting work,

1040
02:22:37,060 --> 02:22:41,660
and that forecasting work is going to help us get a better or a little bit more clarity, perhaps,

1041
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:46,660
on what that's going to look like for the 2031 timeframe, and how close we're going to be to that

1042
02:22:46,660 --> 02:22:53,480
33,000 units. Obviously, right now, we're at the mercy of the market, the vast majority of units that

1043
02:22:53,480 --> 02:22:57,940
we've been forecasting have been apartment units. So with the market being in the state that it is,

1044
02:22:57,940 --> 02:23:02,420
obviously is not just Oakville, obviously, but a number of music values are well

1045
02:23:02,420 --> 02:23:07,040
below where they're projecting based on the status of the market. So there's a

1046
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:10,960
number of variables that we're looking at, and the intent is as we report back,

1047
02:23:11,080 --> 02:23:13,960
especially on the OP review, we're going to have a more clarity on the overall

1048
02:23:13,960 --> 02:23:20,100
projections. So will you be coming back? I agree with what you're saying. Right now

1049
02:23:20,100 --> 02:23:26,020
what a 13,831 units are approved, but not under construction. And we got another

1050
02:23:26,020 --> 02:23:29,240
they're 45,443 under review.

1051
02:23:30,400 --> 02:23:33,440
So, and we've only had 2,104 starts,

1052
02:23:33,540 --> 02:23:38,000
and 1,757 permits happening so far in 2025.

1053
02:23:38,340 --> 02:23:41,200
So, like it's really a doom and gloom right now.

1054
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:45,120
And I guess I'm thinking, going forward,

1055
02:23:45,540 --> 02:23:47,640
this whole idea of pre-construction

1056
02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:50,360
that isn't happening, how's that going to do

1057
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:52,080
for infrastructure planning?

1058
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:58,940
And how the, because now the way the promises changed everything also about collecting DCs,

1059
02:23:58,940 --> 02:24:02,040
it's when they actually move in basically.

1060
02:24:02,820 --> 02:24:03,880
What are we going to do?

1061
02:24:04,140 --> 02:24:10,020
How is that going to impact us going forward from a taxation point of view to get through those trouble times?

1062
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:20,040
The work that we're doing with Halton region is to identify where the municipality is going to be growing over the next few decades.

1063
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:25,240
and as the regional counselors will have seen through the regions and

1064
02:24:25,240 --> 02:24:30,520
hands-growth monitoring work, through the IMP work, it's lining up the

1065
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:35,860
infrastructure to complement where we intend to grow. And that work has been

1066
02:24:35,860 --> 02:24:38,860
back and forth with the region, as you've seen through the Joint Best Plan

1067
02:24:38,860 --> 02:24:45,340
estimates, what is the population that we are planning for? The timing to

1068
02:24:45,340 --> 02:24:50,660
achieve that number obviously is rather inexact. So we want to ensure that the

1069
02:24:50,660 --> 02:24:55,460
infrastructure is going to be there in time for when the population arrives. Our

1070
02:24:55,460 --> 02:24:57,480
biggest challenge right now is ensuring that we're not going to be

1071
02:24:57,480 --> 02:25:02,580
undersizing the infrastructure. So if we have a good partnership with the region

1072
02:25:02,580 --> 02:25:07,400
which we do and how we are forecasting the location and the timing or not

1073
02:25:07,400 --> 02:25:12,060
sorry the timing the capacity for that infrastructure then we have a little bit

1074
02:25:12,060 --> 02:25:23,290
more clarity as to the what I'll say the what that overall population is going to be in time and

1075
02:25:23,290 --> 02:25:25,130
how are we going to support that population.

1076
02:25:27,410 --> 02:25:30,050
So okay also the region has

1077
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:35,290
downloaded to us the state at the housing report going forward so they're not doing it anymore.

1078
02:25:36,050 --> 02:25:40,810
Can we be assured that all the municipalities are going to use the same indicators going forward?

1079
02:25:40,810 --> 02:25:46,010
like, you know, this work gets interesting. Like, is everybody going to, have we got a commitment

1080
02:25:46,010 --> 02:25:53,050
that everybody's sign saying we will commit to the same indicators and do it exactly the same

1081
02:25:53,050 --> 02:25:54,490
as not written in pencil?

1082
02:25:57,010 --> 02:26:03,390
Through Mayor Burton, the challenge that we have had historically has been

1083
02:26:03,390 --> 02:26:10,670
the accuracy of the housing information. We have a lot more confidence in the numbers that we've

1084
02:26:10,670 --> 02:26:17,470
been generating now because it's real true permit data that we are able to publish.

1085
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:22,670
And so we have that work available, that is what we're feeding into the region.

1086
02:26:23,190 --> 02:26:31,310
We are much less reliant on CMHC data, for example, which we know had some questions around

1087
02:26:31,310 --> 02:26:31,590
it.

1088
02:26:32,250 --> 02:26:35,910
So as we progress, we have more confidence, we have more

1089
02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:43,930
that the numbers that are being generated are in fact accurate and that we're lining that up with the infrastructure.

1090
02:26:44,470 --> 02:26:50,190
From a costing perspective, that's starting to get out of my wheelhouse a little bit.

1091
02:26:50,510 --> 02:26:55,070
But again, that continues to be something that we work on with the region as well as our own finance team.

1092
02:26:56,890 --> 02:27:02,090
Okay. Well, what you're doing, you need more than a Ouija board, I would agree.

1093
02:27:02,090 --> 02:27:09,870
but just the very end, the vacancy rate I gave, is there any way we can unpack that so that it's

1094
02:27:09,870 --> 02:27:17,890
just not just a blended total? I think we're all learning that the 600 square foot condos aren't

1095
02:27:17,890 --> 02:27:23,650
working so good. On the one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom, but can we unpack that so it's not just

1096
02:27:23,650 --> 02:27:29,970
the blended rate of what is the vacancy rate overall is 3.3%. Can we break that down a little bit more?

1097
02:27:30,890 --> 02:27:33,630
through your Mayor Burton. That's certainly something that we can take back

1098
02:27:33,630 --> 02:27:37,570
Councillor and in the next time we report on this we can provide some more

1099
02:27:37,570 --> 02:27:40,830
clarity around that and perhaps break it up a little bit more for you.

1100
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:45,370
I would appreciate that. Well I probably won't be there but I would appreciate

1101
02:27:45,370 --> 02:27:49,610
that because I think that would really highlight where things where nobody's

1102
02:27:49,610 --> 02:27:53,250
renting certain certain things. So I thank you for the report. It's an important

1103
02:27:53,250 --> 02:27:57,890
report. Gabe don't take it lightly. I appreciate it. So thanks very much to

1104
02:27:57,890 --> 02:28:03,350
staff for doing it. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councilor. Councilor, how's the deal?

1105
02:28:04,290 --> 02:28:13,210
Thank you. Through you, Mayor Burton. There is a reference in the report regarding a affordable

1106
02:28:13,210 --> 02:28:20,210
housing community improvement plan, and I'm just wondering if you could just clarify the difference

1107
02:28:20,210 --> 02:28:28,890
between it and what Halton region has given us and how they complement or align with one

1108
02:28:28,890 --> 02:28:29,890
another. Through

1109
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:40,060
you, Mr. Mayor, to the Councillor,

1110
02:28:41,100 --> 02:28:45,420
the work that we've been doing on the community affordable housing community improvement plan

1111
02:28:45,420 --> 02:28:52,880
at the town is really looking at opportunities or programs rather that would provide some sort

1112
02:28:52,880 --> 02:29:01,720
grant or other financial incentive of some sort, for housing within the non-subsidized

1113
02:29:01,720 --> 02:29:07,620
housing bracket and the housing continuum. So Hilton region is really looking at the

1114
02:29:07,620 --> 02:29:17,160
subsidized side, so the kind of assisted housing piece. And then our CIP, as we continue to work

1115
02:29:17,160 --> 02:29:20,680
on it, would look at the non-subsidized housing segment of the housing continuum.

1116
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:23,960
and specifically rental is one of the big ones.

1117
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:26,400
Thank you for clarifying that.

1118
02:29:27,140 --> 02:29:29,440
I'm wondering do we know the bankruptcy rate

1119
02:29:29,440 --> 02:29:32,220
of buildings in Oakville?

1120
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:33,180
Is that tracked?

1121
02:29:39,310 --> 02:29:43,010
I don't have that information through you, Mr. Mayor,

1122
02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:43,550
to the Councillor.

1123
02:29:43,710 --> 02:29:44,590
I don't have that information.

1124
02:29:44,830 --> 02:29:47,290
I'm not sure if that is something that is tracked either.

1125
02:29:48,050 --> 02:29:49,750
Perhaps it's something that we could look at,

1126
02:29:49,850 --> 02:29:52,750
but I don't know if I can comment.

1127
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:59,970
So the director has a puzzled look, so can you take that back as a...

1128
02:30:00,670 --> 02:30:17,310
Okay, thank you. And then my other question is just around, do we know how we compare in starts versus under construction to similar-sized communities? Is that data available for us?

1129
02:30:19,420 --> 02:30:30,800
Through you, Mr. Mayor, to the Councillor, I'm sure we could find that information in terms of housing starts against other municipalities of similar size. I understand that Oakville is one of the faster-growing municipalities

1130
02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:38,320
and probably has some of the higher amounts of housing starts within the municipalities in Ontario and Toronto region.

1131
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:48,060
It seems to me that we hear from some folks that we need to do some building in excessive ways,

1132
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:54,980
and it would be really good to be able to show that track record on a grid, walking them through it,

1133
02:30:55,380 --> 02:30:57,840
maybe some black and white graphs might help them.

1134
02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:59,660
see it. Thanks very much.

1135
02:31:01,930 --> 02:31:06,130
Thank you, Councillor. That being your questions, could I have a mover

1136
02:31:06,130 --> 02:31:12,150
and seconder for the consent items? Councillor Haslet-Thiel, is that your moving and Councillor

1137
02:31:12,150 --> 02:31:16,090
Chisholm, thank you. Any objection? They're being none. The consent items are adopted.

1138
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:22,170
We now come to the matter of appointing a town Councillor to fill the ward five they can

1139
02:31:22,170 --> 02:31:28,010
see. I'll just remind council that at our last consideration to this, we unanimously

1140
02:31:28,010 --> 02:31:35,630
he asked the Ward 5 Councilor to bring us a nominee and he has diligently completed

1141
02:31:35,630 --> 02:31:42,830
his assignment and he has an alternate motion to replace the one that the staff put in

1142
02:31:42,830 --> 02:31:48,230
the agenda and I'm going to give the floor to Councillor Nol and he's going to walk

1143
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:49,370
you through his new motion.

1144
02:31:50,650 --> 02:31:51,290
Thank you, Worship.

1145
02:31:51,290 --> 02:32:04,350
If yes, I have found a very worthy candidate in Ward 5 that I think would make an excellent colleague and a very helpful member of our team for the short time left in this term.

1146
02:32:04,930 --> 02:32:07,430
His name is Jamie Bay. He is in the audience with us today.

1147
02:32:08,070 --> 02:32:13,050
The motion that I'm asking you to consider today is that moved by myself and seconded by Councillor Chenna.

1148
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:19,770
That the report dated August 25th, 2026 from the clerks department respecting the appointment process to fill the vacancy in the office.

1149
02:32:19,770 --> 02:32:24,950
of the Town Council Ward 5 you received and that too the Council identified as

1150
02:32:24,950 --> 02:32:28,630
preferred appointee to fill the vacancy in the Office of Town Council Ward 5.

1151
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:33,190
Three, the Jamie Baby appointed to fill the Office of Ward 5 Town Council for

1152
02:32:33,190 --> 02:32:37,390
the remainder of the current term of Council and that four, that consent be

1153
02:32:37,390 --> 02:32:40,590
obtained from the preferred appointee and the staff be directed to prepare the

1154
02:32:40,590 --> 02:32:44,790
necessary appointment by law for consideration of the September 8th planning and

1155
02:32:44,790 --> 02:32:49,750
development council meeting. So that's my motion that I'd like

1156
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:53,230
I'd like to put on the floor and once it's an order, I'll speak to it briefly.

1157
02:32:54,010 --> 02:32:56,230
Well, I'd like to thank you very much, Councillor Neill.

1158
02:32:56,730 --> 02:32:59,170
Mr. Bay, would you come to the Center podium, please?

1159
02:33:00,050 --> 02:33:02,130
There's a ceremonial question I have to ask you.

1160
02:33:02,610 --> 02:33:04,190
Do you consent to the appointment?

1161
02:33:04,830 --> 02:33:05,490
I do, Mr. Mayor.

1162
02:33:05,650 --> 02:33:05,890
Thank you.

1163
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:07,730
Thank you very much for giving your consent.

1164
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:09,190
Councillor Neill.

1165
02:33:10,470 --> 02:33:11,130
Thank you, Worship.

1166
02:33:11,710 --> 02:33:16,690
I think, first of all, with great respect to our dear friend who's passed,

1167
02:33:16,690 --> 02:33:24,770
I know that it's been challenging in the last few weeks to manage the case flow in Ward 5.

1168
02:33:24,770 --> 02:33:27,990
He was hospitalized for a while and not well before that.

1169
02:33:28,190 --> 02:33:33,550
So there's quite a bit of backlog and certainly as the ward council are trying to maintain that,

1170
02:33:33,730 --> 02:33:38,630
particularly at a time when there's a lot of interest in the public sector.

1171
02:33:40,150 --> 02:33:42,070
Certainly be helpful to have somebody like Jamie.

1172
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:49,430
Jamie brings with him as a member, he's a minister of religion and his occupation, his full-time

1173
02:33:49,430 --> 02:33:55,490
occupation is actually serving his congregation and being an advocate and all those sorts of things.

1174
02:33:55,550 --> 02:34:01,950
So he has that automatic skill set built into his experience. Mr. Bay doesn't have any political

1175
02:34:01,950 --> 02:34:06,770
ambitions, so we're not appointing somebody to give me a leg up at some future election. He's

1176
02:34:06,770 --> 02:34:08,570
simply wanting to do good public service.

1177
02:34:09,210 --> 02:34:12,890
Jamie has served our community for many years.

1178
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:16,630
Previously he was one of the pastors at Chartwell Baptist Church,

1179
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:19,370
which is when I got to become acquainted with Jamie.

1180
02:34:19,930 --> 02:34:21,730
Jamie and myself and my wife and a few others,

1181
02:34:21,870 --> 02:34:23,650
we started the North Oakville Food Drive.

1182
02:34:24,170 --> 02:34:25,870
That still continues this day,

1183
02:34:26,110 --> 02:34:28,630
where we raise literally thousands and thousands

1184
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:30,730
of pounds of food once a year in June

1185
02:34:31,230 --> 02:34:33,230
to help fortify the food banks throughout the community.

1186
02:34:33,370 --> 02:34:34,550
Jamie was an integral part of that.

1187
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:39,370
Jamie served as various roles for many, many years in the Oak Park neighborhood center

1188
02:34:39,370 --> 02:34:40,350
in the Oak Park community.

1189
02:34:40,970 --> 02:34:46,650
And frankly, it's just one heck of a really good guy that I would be very honored to have

1190
02:34:46,650 --> 02:34:51,350
your consent to appoint him that could help me in the last weeks and help our constituents

1191
02:34:51,350 --> 02:34:55,310
in the last weeks of this council to do our job and to serve our constituents to the best

1192
02:34:55,310 --> 02:34:55,850
of our ability.

1193
02:34:56,570 --> 02:34:57,310
Thank you, Councillor Neill.

1194
02:34:58,330 --> 02:35:00,070
Speakers, we have Councillor Hazlitt deal.

1195
02:35:00,870 --> 02:35:08,970
Thank you. Mayor Burton. My mind is a question. I feel for my council colleague. September 28th is a long ways away.

1196
02:35:11,010 --> 02:35:17,490
Based on what I'm reading in the second part. Would it be an immediate appointment? Or because it...

1197
02:35:17,490 --> 02:35:22,910
Councillor, you're reading a lecture. What Councillor Nol has introduced is an immediate appointment.

1198
02:35:23,010 --> 02:35:27,590
Okay. All right. I just wanted to clarify because Lord knows it's not fair that you don't have help.

1199
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:29,150
Yes, absolutely. Thank you, Councillor.

1200
02:35:29,750 --> 02:35:31,350
Thank you, Councillor Giddings.

1201
02:35:32,590 --> 02:35:37,810
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jeff, I fully support your selection.

1202
02:35:38,170 --> 02:35:42,770
I have had the opportunity to be in a number of meetings with Jamie in another municipality

1203
02:35:42,770 --> 02:35:48,590
in a different world and have always find him to be prepared, well-spoken,

1204
02:35:49,030 --> 02:35:52,650
a little bit of humor, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

1205
02:35:54,790 --> 02:36:03,570
And I'm going to, while he won't be politicized, I think he'd be used to it as a result of his calling anyway.

1206
02:36:04,330 --> 02:36:06,470
So, great choice, Jeff. Thanks.

1207
02:36:07,630 --> 02:36:08,850
Thank you, Councillor Goodings.

1208
02:36:10,270 --> 02:36:12,230
All right. I see no more questions.

1209
02:36:12,410 --> 02:36:16,950
And so I'm going to call the vote. I'm going to ask for the ceremony of it.

1210
02:36:17,050 --> 02:36:21,050
I'm going to ask for a recorded vote and turn to the clerk and ask him to conduct the vote.

1211
02:36:21,050 --> 02:36:23,210
Thank you, Mayor.

1212
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:24,210
Councillor O'Meara?

1213
02:36:24,590 --> 02:36:24,770
Yes.

1214
02:36:25,130 --> 02:36:26,070
Councillor McNeese?

1215
02:36:26,930 --> 02:36:27,110
Yes.

1216
02:36:27,590 --> 02:36:28,370
Councillor Dettick?

1217
02:36:29,250 --> 02:36:29,590
Yes.

1218
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:30,910
Councillor Chisholm?

1219
02:36:31,610 --> 02:36:31,870
Yes.

1220
02:36:32,290 --> 02:36:33,090
Councillor Haditheel?

1221
02:36:33,530 --> 02:36:33,790
Yes.

1222
02:36:34,170 --> 02:36:34,830
Councillor Giddings?

1223
02:36:35,030 --> 02:36:35,210
Yes.

1224
02:36:35,630 --> 02:36:36,210
Councillor Elgar?

1225
02:36:36,770 --> 02:36:37,170
Yes.

1226
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:38,230
Councillor Longa?

1227
02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:38,910
Yes.

1228
02:36:39,230 --> 02:36:39,670
Mayor Burton?

1229
02:36:40,150 --> 02:36:40,350
Yes.

1230
02:36:40,730 --> 02:36:41,170
Councillor Noel?

1231
02:36:41,390 --> 02:36:41,630
Yes.

1232
02:36:42,010 --> 02:36:42,590
Councillor Adams?

1233
02:36:42,810 --> 02:36:43,010
Yes.

1234
02:36:43,350 --> 02:36:44,070
Councillor Lishina?

1235
02:36:44,990 --> 02:36:45,970
Wholeheartedly, yes.

1236
02:36:46,250 --> 02:36:46,890
Councillor Nanda?

1237
02:36:47,290 --> 02:36:47,530
Yes.

1238
02:36:47,530 --> 02:36:47,690
Yes.

1239
02:36:47,890 --> 02:36:48,510
Councillor Shee.

1240
02:36:48,730 --> 02:36:48,930
Yes.

1241
02:36:50,810 --> 02:36:52,130
Congratulations, Councillor.

1242
02:36:53,370 --> 02:36:55,690
Welcome to the scene.

1243
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:58,570
That is carried.

1244
02:37:02,950 --> 02:37:09,910
As a matter of fact, there are people here on staff who would like to see you after the show.

1245
02:37:11,450 --> 02:37:12,650
So please don't go.

1246
02:37:12,650 --> 02:37:23,070
Well, I have an item of new business, a notice of motion, for which we need to, I'm going

1247
02:37:23,070 --> 02:37:29,970
to ask you to wave the bylaw so that we can pass it tonight, and I circulated that

1248
02:37:29,970 --> 02:37:37,210
earlier so that you all know it's about honoring a distinguished citizen of Oakville who

1249
02:37:37,210 --> 02:37:41,570
It was passed, Mr. Otto Gelanick.

1250
02:37:42,170 --> 02:37:44,690
I have a hand from Peter Longo and Councillor Dutton.

1251
02:37:45,110 --> 02:37:45,870
Thank you.

1252
02:37:46,330 --> 02:37:51,330
Is there any objection to waving the, there is no objection, Mr. Clerk, and so that carries.

1253
02:37:52,270 --> 02:38:00,470
The motion reads, whereas, and this is seconded by Councillor Richeson, whereas and moved

1254
02:38:00,470 --> 02:38:06,490
by me, whereas Otto Gelanick passed away on September 5, leaving behind an extraordinary

1255
02:38:06,490 --> 02:38:13,290
legacy of international and athletic achievement, public service, and deep roots in our Oakville

1256
02:38:13,290 --> 02:38:20,850
community. And whereas after fleeing communism in Czechoslovakia in 1948, Otto and his family

1257
02:38:20,850 --> 02:38:27,290
found refuge and made their new home in Oakville where he attended Applebee College and Oakville

1258
02:38:27,290 --> 02:38:34,250
Trafalgar High School. And whereas he proudly represented Oakville and Canada on the world stage as

1259
02:38:34,250 --> 02:38:41,770
World Class Figure Skater, ultimately capturing the 1962 World Figure Skating

1260
02:38:41,770 --> 02:38:47,530
Pairs Championship with his sister Maria and represented Canada as an Olympian.

1261
02:38:48,250 --> 02:38:53,910
And whereas he served Oakville with distinction for over two decades in Ottawa as a member of parliament

1262
02:38:54,230 --> 02:38:56,070
and the federal cabinet minister.

1263
02:38:56,410 --> 02:38:59,990
And later as Canada's ambassador to the Czech Republic.

1264
02:38:59,990 --> 02:39:05,070
And whereas following a highly successful international business career as a corporate

1265
02:39:05,070 --> 02:39:10,210
executive and consultant, auto returned home to Oakville to spend his retirement years

1266
02:39:10,210 --> 02:39:15,910
surrounded by family and friends, be it resolved that the rink within the Trafalgar

1267
02:39:15,910 --> 02:39:23,390
Park Community Center at 133 Rebecca Street be commemoratively recognized as the auto-genic

1268
02:39:23,390 --> 02:39:29,810
rink in honor of auto-genic and be it further resolved that staff be directed to take the

1269
02:39:29,810 --> 02:39:33,970
necessary steps to implement the commemorative naming of the auto-gellenic

1270
02:39:33,970 --> 02:39:39,550
rank and that the 30-day public engagement period required under the facility and

1271
02:39:39,550 --> 02:39:44,870
indoor asset naming policy be waived and be it further resolves that staff be

1272
02:39:44,870 --> 02:39:49,350
authorized to coordinate an appropriate public recognition and unveiling ceremony

1273
02:39:49,350 --> 02:39:52,370
in consultation with the Gellenic family.

1274
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:55,790
I hope for your unanimous consent to this.

1275
02:39:55,790 --> 02:40:01,050
I will tell you that I have consulted with the family and this is in keeping with their preferences.

1276
02:40:02,010 --> 02:40:02,790
Councillor O'Meara.

1277
02:40:04,270 --> 02:40:08,850
Thank you, Your Worship, and I wholeheartedly support this as well, and I would maybe add

1278
02:40:08,850 --> 02:40:14,430
that the next term of council consider something that we passed over on in the last term of

1279
02:40:14,430 --> 02:40:17,610
budget, and that was getting serious about a sports hall of fame.

1280
02:40:18,150 --> 02:40:22,210
Because right now we don't have one in a location, and someone like Otto Gelanick and Sandra

1281
02:40:22,210 --> 02:40:27,990
are posting these people deserve to be reflected and to be honored for their achievements in

1282
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:32,910
sport, and he obviously did much more than that, but it is something that we should have

1283
02:40:32,910 --> 02:40:38,730
a home for somewhere, so to go with this lovely, lovely sentiment as well, just something

1284
02:40:38,730 --> 02:40:44,950
that I think he deserves to be recognized for his sport endeavors as well with others

1285
02:40:44,950 --> 02:40:47,650
and Oakville, so thank you, all right, thank you for bringing the motion forward.

1286
02:40:47,650 --> 02:40:48,610
Thank

1287
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:53,180
you, Councillor O'Mara. Councillor Chisholm.

1288
02:40:54,860 --> 02:40:57,100
For you, your worship and to do the council.

1289
02:40:57,900 --> 02:41:01,820
It's very disheartening what's happened with the family

1290
02:41:01,820 --> 02:41:05,200
and with the passing of Otto Hiesa, our next door,

1291
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:06,340
and also our next door neighbor.

1292
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:09,160
Otto and I have had many conversations over the years

1293
02:41:09,160 --> 02:41:12,520
and we became good friends because of the competitiveness

1294
02:41:12,520 --> 02:41:17,380
of Otto and also with me and Hockey and him and the skating.

1295
02:41:18,180 --> 02:41:26,320
It was very interesting to listen to auto over the years, the challenges he had with the

1296
02:41:26,320 --> 02:41:33,160
communism and going back and coming back to Canada, and it's very fitting for this

1297
02:41:33,160 --> 02:41:39,780
announcement at Oakville Arena because at that time when they won in 1962, I was 9 years

1298
02:41:39,780 --> 02:41:47,620
old, and we went to attend the big parade and also the gathering in Oakville, Arena.

1299
02:41:47,860 --> 02:41:52,080
At that time, there was no ice in it on the arena because it was a summer. It was packed.

1300
02:41:52,380 --> 02:41:57,440
It was packed to the brim. I was so amazed at the number of people in the black cards

1301
02:41:58,440 --> 02:42:03,660
congratulating the genics on their success of the world skating championship. It was something

1302
02:42:03,660 --> 02:42:09,820
for Oakville and it made Oakville on the map and it was a fantastic time. And at nine

1303
02:42:09,820 --> 02:42:16,020
years old, I remembered it very, very well. Knowing the challenge for many years living

1304
02:42:16,020 --> 02:42:23,020
in our neighborhood with, I'm hoping that the family will move forward after this lead

1305
02:42:23,020 --> 02:42:29,800
is a wonderful, wonderful wife and mother and with Misha and Jamie, the two sons. My heart

1306
02:42:29,800 --> 02:42:44,320
Phil, I'm sorry for the passing of auto, but this legacy still continues on here in Oakville and congratulations to the family and it's a great honor. Thank you.

1307
02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:46,880
Thank you, Councillor Chisholm. Councillor Rilgar.

1308
02:42:48,180 --> 02:42:53,540
Mayor Burton, I just want to say, let's have a recorded vote so that it's in the minutes. I appreciate that. Thank you.

1309
02:42:53,540 --> 02:43:01,820
Yes, sir. I think that was Kathy's idea as well. With no other speakers, I'll turn to the clerk and ask him to conduct a vote.

1310
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:11,290
Councillor Mira. Yes. Councillor McNeese. Yes. Councillor Dettick. Yes. Councillor Chisholm.

1311
02:43:12,130 --> 02:43:18,510
Absolutely. Yes. Councillor Hussetheel. Yes. Councillor Giddings. Yes. Councillor Algar. Yes.

1312
02:43:18,510 --> 02:43:24,570
Councilor Longo. Yes. Mayor Burton. Yes. Councilor Noel. Yes. Councilor Adams. Yes.

1313
02:43:24,970 --> 02:43:29,110
Councilor Lyschina. Yes. Councilor Nanda. Yes. Councilor Xi. Yes.

1314
02:43:32,480 --> 02:43:34,280
Thank you. That carries unanimously.

1315
02:43:35,580 --> 02:43:40,640
I understand there may be a request for a report. That's the next item on our agenda.

1316
02:43:40,920 --> 02:43:48,100
Councillor Shia, did you have something? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a new business as well.

1317
02:43:52,370 --> 02:43:57,630
I'd like to invite all the Oakville residents to join us for the third Asian Heritage Festival

1318
02:43:57,630 --> 02:44:04,170
on Saturday, September 19th at the Foley Park in War 7. This festival is organized by the

1319
02:44:04,170 --> 02:44:10,910
Hotel Asian Heritage Society and everyone is welcome. The festival runs from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m.

1320
02:44:11,210 --> 02:44:17,950
followed by a film, a family movie sponsored by Film.ca. There will be lots of great food and snacks,

1321
02:44:17,950 --> 02:44:24,030
live performance and the free bouncy castles for children and the showcase from local business

1322
02:44:24,030 --> 02:44:29,710
in the community organizations. We are looking forward to seeing you on September 19th at Foley Park.

1323
02:44:29,970 --> 02:44:30,370
Thank you.

1324
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:35,140
Thank you, Councillor Schia. Councillor Neill.

1325
02:44:36,320 --> 02:44:40,020
Thank you. We're ship on another community announcement. I want to invite everybody in this

1326
02:44:40,020 --> 02:44:45,780
council chambers, everybody who's watching, to the 29th annual Oak Park Fall Fair, which is going to

1327
02:44:45,780 --> 02:44:49,240
be taking place and how fitting the former chair of Oak Park and

1328
02:44:49,240 --> 02:44:50,960
Neighborhood Centers in the audience and our new colleague.

1329
02:44:51,620 --> 02:44:55,180
It will be taking place this Saturday, starting at 11 o'clock in the morning and

1330
02:44:55,180 --> 02:44:58,740
going through to our outdoor movie, approximately 10 o'clock at night.

1331
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,940
As always, every year, we have thousands and thousands of local residents visit our fair for what is effectively a very inexpensive, if not entirely free day of fun activities for families, young and old. We have a great silent auction. Funds are being raised. Go to the charitable programs and objects of the Oak Park Neighborhood Center. Virtually the exhibitors are who's who of Oakville organizations and businesses coming to tell the community about the things that they do. There's rides, there's great food.

1332
02:45:30,900 --> 02:45:35,900
and there's an outdoor movie and we're playing Toy Story 5, which is the latest in the Toy Story franchise in the evening.

1333
02:45:36,380 --> 02:45:43,540
Again, all free, lots of fun. Please come and join us on Saturday, September 12th, from 11 a.m. to 10 p.m.

1334
02:45:43,640 --> 02:45:48,500
and most of you have been there at one point or another. I think you can all attest to the fact it is a great fun day and I look forward to seeing you all there.

1335
02:45:49,580 --> 02:45:52,060
That's real soon now. Councillor Chisholm.

1336
02:45:56,410 --> 02:46:01,650
Thank you, Worship. I'm just reminding everybody it's Kirtfest happening on Kirt Street this weekend.

1337
02:46:01,650 --> 02:46:09,510
Friday, Saturday and Sunday, lots of entertainment, great entertainment, reasonably priced. Hopefully you can attend.

1338
02:46:10,090 --> 02:46:17,010
It's a great two or three days on first street, and we look forward to seeing everyone there. That's it for me. Thank you.

1339
02:46:17,450 --> 02:46:25,830
Councillor Schism, I heard a story that a certain singer that I'm very, very big fan of might be there. Do you know who their musical acts are?

1340
02:46:27,350 --> 02:46:35,750
Oh, geez. Which one are you talking about? I'm hoping to hear that Jim Cuddy will be there again. Oh, yeah, Jim will be there.

1341
02:46:36,070 --> 02:46:47,210
Jim Cuddy will be there. There you go. Well, you know, he has a song there. He has a song that he and Greg have a song about Lake Ontario, which might be fun to sing along with.

1342
02:46:48,930 --> 02:46:53,790
All right, I think that brings us to, let's be clear, it's Lake Ontario.

1343
02:46:54,350 --> 02:46:54,870
That's right.

1344
02:46:55,070 --> 02:46:56,170
All right.

1345
02:46:56,390 --> 02:47:00,490
So item 11 on the agenda, the request for reports, is there one?

1346
02:47:01,030 --> 02:47:02,070
Councillor Haslet-Deal.

1347
02:47:02,970 --> 02:47:04,210
Thank you, through you Mayor Burton.

1348
02:47:04,750 --> 02:47:08,990
Councillor Giddings and I would like to make a request for report.

1349
02:47:09,590 --> 02:47:15,530
On April 9th, 2026, the province announced the approval of MZOs for the mid-town TOCs,

1350
02:47:15,530 --> 02:47:21,310
which included a statement that, unquote, in response to feedback received from the town and the community.

1351
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:27,730
Ontario is working with municipality and impacted partners on further refinements to the Oakville TOC.

1352
02:47:28,190 --> 02:47:34,190
That will result in building heights of 38 stories while maintaining the overall number of homes and community benefits.

1353
02:47:34,930 --> 02:47:44,270
Unquote, the request is the town staff and Mayor Burton and his staff are requested to provide on September 28, 2026.

1354
02:47:44,270 --> 02:47:47,770
reports on the status of the TOC discussion.

1355
02:47:49,860 --> 02:47:52,220
Is there any objection to that request?

1356
02:47:53,660 --> 02:47:55,340
There being none, that's approved.

1357
02:47:56,260 --> 02:47:57,420
Councillor Chisholm.

1358
02:48:00,320 --> 02:48:01,560
My apologies, your worship.

1359
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:03,460
I didn't have the schedule in front of me.

1360
02:48:03,620 --> 02:48:04,340
I lost it.

1361
02:48:04,680 --> 02:48:07,360
So everybody's the interest in the performers.

1362
02:48:08,020 --> 02:48:09,900
Colin James is playing Friday night.

1363
02:48:10,360 --> 02:48:13,040
Hotel California, the original Eagles Tributes,

1364
02:48:13,240 --> 02:48:13,940
playing Friday night.

1365
02:48:13,940 --> 02:48:23,540
five, fiddle six, gates open at 3.45 p.m. Saturday, the Jim Cutty Band, 7.45, Freedom Train,

1366
02:48:23,860 --> 02:48:28,760
the box, Bill Durst, Janow Woods, and the gates open at 11.45 a.m. There we go.

1367
02:48:29,140 --> 02:48:35,840
All right, now you know how to, you've now promoted that event. Congratulations to everybody.

1368
02:48:36,660 --> 02:48:39,880
That brings us to consideration and reading of the bylaws and there's a little wrinkled

1369
02:48:39,880 --> 02:48:40,240
tonight.

1370
02:48:40,240 --> 02:48:47,580
First, before we do consideration of reading of the by-laws, I need a motion to waive the rules under section 2 sub 2 of the procedure by-law

1371
02:48:48,340 --> 02:48:58,140
concerning the notice provision in section 8. And so we need a mover and seconder for that. I have a volunteer in Councillor Shia, and in Councillor Nanda.

1372
02:48:59,420 --> 02:49:07,700
And is there any objection? They're being none. That's carried. And now we need a mover and seconder for consideration and reading of the by-laws.

1373
02:49:07,700 --> 02:49:13,340
and that can be Councillor Longo and Councillor Chinna, any objection? They're being none.

1374
02:49:13,980 --> 02:49:20,500
The bylaws have been read, considered and passed and that ends the work of this meeting.

1375
02:49:20,700 --> 02:49:25,680
It's been terrific working with you. I'm looking forward to the next time and good night.