1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:06,660 Good 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:33,220 evening. It is 6-0-1. Welcome to the Auditality City Council of Student Taxation, public hearing. Tonight is Tuesday, August the 11th. We are here at the municipal town hall in the capital chambers. This is our anchor location. We are also available for participation on the line via Zoom. 3 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:43,180 This is the official Oggy Valley Biscoll here, 27 Treatment Taxation Public Hearing. 4 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:51,740 We've had months of discussions in all of our public meetings about budgets, as well 5 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:59,100 as Treatment Taxation, much communication via the newspaper, and e-blogs and things like 6 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:05,200 that we even have public hearing back in June. But it was extra one, not the official one. 7 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,380 This tonight is the official treatment vaccination fiscal 27 of the year. 8 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:17,980 So just want to give a brief introduction and a couple of 9 00:01:22,780 --> 00:01:27,240 sorry, yes. Before I go into the infection, I guess I will do a quick roll call 10 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,000 I hope you have a very good journey to your step. 11 00:01:29,260 --> 00:01:33,040 Council members that are present tonight, 12 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:34,060 our Council members take that. 13 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,520 Shala, Holtland, and Julian Baker. 14 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:40,000 Council member Booth is absent. 15 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,420 I'm Mayor Wampler. 16 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,120 We have our reporter and our IT director 17 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,260 with us this evening as well. 18 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:48,560 We will get started with the collegiate. 19 00:01:48,820 --> 00:01:50,400 So, everybody who's able to please stand. 20 00:01:53,410 --> 00:01:55,510 I'd like to introduce you to the slide. 21 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:57,590 How do you like to stay still there? 22 00:01:57,590 --> 00:02:00,570 that. And two, we've got a golden chance. 23 00:02:01,470 --> 00:02:02,150 Quite a nation. 24 00:02:02,650 --> 00:02:03,250 I did a lot. 25 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:04,390 In the physical. 26 00:02:04,890 --> 00:02:06,570 We can deliver a duty and express from. 27 00:02:07,690 --> 00:02:09,130 And we'll follow that for the moment. 28 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:28,940 Thank you. 29 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,140 All right, all right. 30 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:32,200 I'll go back to my introduction. 31 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,620 And that is. 32 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:38,020 So many of you will know that we have been on a dual path 33 00:02:38,020 --> 00:02:41,240 when it comes to finances on the budget for our brand new 34 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:52,080 We have had multiple requirements by the state on where to comply in order to do both and basically we're doing through the taxation if we're not doing through the taxation. 35 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,300 We have hit every requirement for the if we don't do through the taxation. 36 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:05,580 Tonight is the final required public hearing and requirements for if we were to do the taxation. 37 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:21,580 This public hearing was noticed, it has been noticed from the state in the county city, 38 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,240 but the state was city, followed all the regulations. 39 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:37,300 But the reason we're here tonight in particular is that we have a current open appeal with the Utah State Supreme Court. 40 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:47,820 As such, we will continue with our previously noticed public hearing because there has been no funding judgment on that case. 41 00:03:47,820 --> 00:04:05,700 So tonight is a public hearing. The purpose of these hearings are for council to listen to the residents to give another opportunity for residents to speak to us to have their comments not just put forward but also recorded into the public record. 42 00:04:08,220 --> 00:04:12,500 You will notice, and I know it can be frustrating, there will not be a back and forth, there will 43 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:17,460 not be questions and answers and all of that. That is not how public hearing is conducted 44 00:04:17,460 --> 00:04:18,140 and anxiety. 45 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:24,880 These are prescribed regulations. This is strictly time to hear from you all. 46 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:31,620 So we can have answer periods or further discussion at a different opinion afterwards. 47 00:04:32,340 --> 00:04:36,000 No action is what I'll be taking tonight. It's important that everybody understand that. 48 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:43,000 There is no action that is noticed as well as no further business besides the public hearing this evening. 49 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:53,120 There is action that it has been put on the agenda for next week, which is Tuesday, August 18th, so be aware of that. 50 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,080 And I think, let's see, no action. 51 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:00,540 This is all about gathering information. 52 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,780 So you'll see us take notes. 53 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:04,100 Please understand. 54 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:05,460 We will be responding. 55 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:11,860 And then I want to introduce our finance director. 56 00:05:12,340 --> 00:05:14,180 So she will give a, this is Sherry Broadway. 57 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:15,660 She's from Kansas, UCP. 58 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:21,880 She's going to get a short presentation to be a broad overview of the budget 59 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,680 that we have been discussing and has been made public 60 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,260 as soon as that in May. 61 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,760 And so it's important for everyone to have a chance. 62 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,800 These are numbers based on Missile 27 63 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,640 and she's going to present not only the information, 64 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,020 but also specific information that, 65 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:45,640 according to the Truth and Taxation rules, 66 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:47,780 she is required to say it. 67 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,540 So Miss Robert, take it away. 68 00:05:51,460 --> 00:06:19,460 So I just want to start off by saying the proposed tax increase would add an additional add the loram tax revenue of 2.475138 million for a residential homeowner with an average residence that would be an increase of 535 dollars and 66 per year for a business with the same valuation that would be 973 dollars and 94 cents per year. 69 00:06:21,220 --> 00:06:26,400 Without a tax increase, the road funding in the decreased budget will, the road funding 70 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:32,780 is decreased. The city is going to start looking at transportation utility fee. There is 71 00:06:32,780 --> 00:06:37,800 a study that will have to take place before it's implemented. But that is the plan to help 72 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:44,660 bridge that gap in the funding for roads. The municipal energy tax will continue. That 73 00:06:44,660 --> 00:06:51,020 is something that the council wanted to decrease or actually get rid of if they could increase 74 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:57,300 taxes. Staffing options will be limited. There will be decreased amount for staffing. The 75 00:06:57,300 --> 00:07:02,420 stormwater study will have to be delayed and responses to a crest will be slower. There will 76 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:07,520 be less employees to help and the grant matching funds will be limited. 77 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:11,710 One thing about the tax 78 00:07:11,710 --> 00:07:14,550 It is hard to compare apples to apples. 79 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:17,910 Cells tax revenues do vary by community. 80 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:21,370 There's differences in property values and tax space. 81 00:07:22,470 --> 00:07:26,090 So even if two different people have the same tax rate, 82 00:07:26,290 --> 00:07:28,270 depending on their evaluation of their homes, 83 00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:30,690 they would be paying different amounts. 84 00:07:32,110 --> 00:07:35,390 And two communities that have the same tax rate could get different amounts of money 85 00:07:35,390 --> 00:07:37,490 just based off of the tax base that they have. 86 00:07:38,430 --> 00:07:44,490 different services are funded by different cities so they have different pools of cash that they can pull from for their expenses. 87 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:51,810 Growth, infrastructure and debt all differ tax rates alone don't reflect the service levels. 88 00:07:53,050 --> 00:08:01,170 A lower tax rate does not always mean a lower tax burden and also a very low starting rate can make percentage increases appear large. 89 00:08:02,210 --> 00:08:04,730 and we just wanted to, what? 90 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:08,570 Go back to the slides, put it down. 91 00:08:09,050 --> 00:08:10,090 One before that. 92 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:12,760 Thank you. 93 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Thank you. 94 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,940 Yes, we have. 95 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:21,420 I wish you tell everybody. 96 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:22,180 Okay. 97 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,760 How much time do you think so? 98 00:08:25,180 --> 00:08:28,800 You've published them on the public website and I have to add. 99 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:29,400 Okay. 100 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:56,020 So this 101 00:08:59,890 --> 00:09:06,250 is the proposed tax rate and it will vary a little bit once we get the state 102 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:12,830 numbers, but this is just more to show that it's not the very highest. It's not the very lowest. 103 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:17,450 There are three zeros in front of the nine, so that does make a difference. 104 00:09:18,490 --> 00:09:23,850 But it's not apples to apples. Some cities will have more sales tax, so their property tax can be 105 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:30,890 lower. The property valuations in your community are higher, so all of that needs to be taken into 106 00:09:30,890 --> 00:09:37,170 consideration when you do compare tax rates, and these are based off of the 2025 adopted rates, 107 00:09:37,670 --> 00:09:44,310 so some of these may have changed, but that was the calculated proposed number that was used for 108 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:51,790 the budget. If you want detailed information for the budget, there is a budget book online on the 109 00:09:51,790 --> 00:09:58,750 finance page that gives more information about the transportation utility fee. There's a FAQ, 110 00:09:58,750 --> 00:10:05,110 there's department summaries, there's details on the proposed staffing, there's also tax relief 111 00:10:05,110 --> 00:10:12,190 programs that you can get through the Weber County Auditors website but tonight we really wanted 112 00:10:12,190 --> 00:10:18,470 to give time for the public to speak and have more time if there's time after and the council wants 113 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:23,230 to go line by line through the budget we can or if they have questions that I don't have answers 114 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:28,210 for right away we can have those available at the next meeting but we just wanted to give a brief 115 00:10:28,210 --> 00:10:32,230 overview of kind of the scale of the tax increase and where you can find more 116 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:41,530 information. So I'll turn the time over to the council. Thank you. Thank you. The 117 00:10:41,530 --> 00:10:46,950 council member shot me. If everyone knows where to buy the budget or the budget or 118 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:51,310 everything else, I'm not sure. I'll just tell you if you're not aware. 119 00:10:57,630 --> 00:10:58,190 So with all 120 00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:59,590 and that everything is linked right there. 121 00:10:59,850 --> 00:11:01,730 It's also right up, you can download it on your home computer. 122 00:11:01,970 --> 00:11:04,970 You can look at it right there online as well as you can have 123 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:08,290 any copies of all the public meetings and the office. 124 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:09,570 Any good quick comment? 125 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:15,010 Okay, Sherry, get a note about property texture, 126 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:16,870 belief, and proof to content. 127 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:20,950 Anticipating, this is an interest in everyone 128 00:11:20,950 --> 00:11:25,670 in the Auton Valley News this week and will be an article 129 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:33,310 talk to you about all the various ways of tax relief, veterans, seniors, income 130 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:40,710 based, all stated there, and with home-to-contents, and why I'm going to do. So 131 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:46,830 regardless of where this current tax year goes, look at those things they might 132 00:11:46,830 --> 00:11:52,790 apply to you to help you get relief. I'm going to go ahead and open the public 133 00:11:52,790 --> 00:11:56,590 So the point of tonight is for you all to get to see to us. 134 00:11:57,230 --> 00:12:00,470 So we want to make sure that we have plenty of time for people. 135 00:12:00,710 --> 00:12:03,050 Everyone wants to go in the room and online. 136 00:12:04,270 --> 00:12:06,490 Read explanation of how this works online. 137 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:08,610 We didn't get back a couple of times. 138 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:11,510 And so there is not a public chat online. 139 00:12:12,390 --> 00:12:13,690 Some staff is violated. 140 00:12:14,710 --> 00:12:17,250 There is the ability to seek what we need. 141 00:12:17,330 --> 00:12:20,830 Anyone's online to do is either raise your hand or direct message. 142 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:26,790 the IT director, his name is Kathy Zadell. She will let us know. She will let me 143 00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:30,750 abuse. She will present, you know, tell us your name and people will be able to speak and 144 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:35,310 present. We do start with the people who are in the room and then we go to people online. 145 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:40,610 So please be patient online, but understand that that is the procedure. Raise your hand or 146 00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:45,570 direct message. Kathy Zadell, the IT director and she will make sure that you get a chance to speak 147 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:47,470 You are electronically related to somebody. 148 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:50,230 Hi, yes, I'm not getting that. 149 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:55,430 So for people in the room, the request is due to particular. 150 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:56,270 Okay. 151 00:12:56,690 --> 00:12:58,050 That you will come forward. 152 00:12:58,430 --> 00:13:00,250 There's apparently a piece of tape on the floor. 153 00:13:00,510 --> 00:13:03,370 If that allows the adult to pick you up, but audibly and visually. 154 00:13:04,170 --> 00:13:06,330 Please state your name and where you live. 155 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:08,270 We need that for the record. 156 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:12,610 And then you are free to speak that one difference of a public hearing. 157 00:13:12,610 --> 00:13:18,830 to regular public comment is the only topic on today's agenda is the potential to max increase. 158 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:23,330 So tonight is not the night to come and talk about code enforcement or anything else, 159 00:13:23,330 --> 00:13:28,050 it's the tax increase or if you want to talk about the budget code enforcement then that would 160 00:13:28,050 --> 00:13:35,930 I guess apply, but not any other topic. So, did you name your address and your free to speak? We do 161 00:13:35,930 --> 00:13:41,290 ask that you limit it to between two and three minutes simply because we want to make sure that 162 00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:46,930 everyone has a chance to speak, and we have people in the rarest bed on my. So with that, 163 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:50,730 the floor is yours. Yes sir. 164 00:13:53,610 --> 00:14:00,050 We're going to run a timer. So probably, I'll ask if we can see this. 165 00:14:00,910 --> 00:14:05,590 Yep, pretty good. And yeah, we'll put it right out here. 166 00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:14,630 and after you say your name, yeah, I'll just say your name, can you see it? 167 00:14:16,010 --> 00:14:18,030 Okay. One time's over, Emma. 168 00:14:18,530 --> 00:14:20,050 You know, okay. 169 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,200 Okay, hey, my name's Don Smurl. 170 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:28,680 I live in North Fork in Liberty. 171 00:14:30,940 --> 00:14:32,860 And I'm going to tease this guy. 172 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:44,000 Okay, so first of all, I want to note that I spoke with Art and Cook, who's the Utah 173 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,480 Corporation, when it contacted, and covers an office today, and got some information and 174 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,500 have some options suggested. 175 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:59,980 So, first of all, this whole incorporation happened to me. 176 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Two reasons. One, supposedly we have a voice, and also in the feasibility study, findings illustrate 177 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:18,200 that will likely result in at least a 5% budget surplus, and no additional Ogden Valley 178 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,140 tax rate is necessary. The surplus allows the incorporation process to proceed. 179 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:30,180 Okay, we played, we paid LRB, I say we, because I'm kind of 180 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:33,380 governor's office paid $26,000 for it. 181 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:38,900 Yet what we see is on the hook for it for the next five years to pay it back. 182 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:42,400 Okay, it's part of being for creation fees, okay? 183 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:44,160 So, 184 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:54,040 so we talked a little bit about different services that may be offered 185 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,860 heard that maybe weren't operated originally through the county. 186 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:04,520 I don't know what those are, I can't ask the question, but that's something that the 187 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:14,980 basically is I'm trying to figure out how we got so far away from a 5% surplus to asking 188 00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:25,220 for 500 and plus a percent, okay? It just doesn't jive. Options. Now I know we're already 189 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:36,920 in litigation and all that business, okay? I don't want us to go into why we were issued 190 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,020 I'm not going to be willing to do that, but there are a few options. 191 00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:48,040 So I asked him, I said, well, what about a lieutenant governor waiver? 192 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:55,240 And he said, well, Agna Valley City hasn't formally requested that, so I would ask that 193 00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:56,520 we do that. 194 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:06,340 I mean, all I can do is say no, at least that way, maybe they might take a little bit of 195 00:17:06,340 --> 00:17:08,160 in response to the burden. 196 00:17:09,050 --> 00:17:13,180 A reduced increase, that's removed once the property tax 197 00:17:13,180 --> 00:17:14,460 authorization is implemented. 198 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,920 And then the third option, which is kind of a nuclear option, 199 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:23,600 is no reduction in this raise, but it is removed once 200 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,120 the property tax authorization is implemented. 201 00:17:27,340 --> 00:17:31,400 Because then that would jow with the feasibility study 202 00:17:33,550 --> 00:17:36,340 and those amounts, OK? 203 00:17:37,340 --> 00:17:38,440 Thank you very much. 204 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,840 You didn't agree minutes, you're a risk of the bottle. 205 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:54,300 In my advance, Ben, I live in Liberty 3316 East 50s, me under normal, so I just have some 206 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:54,660 questions. 207 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:01,580 I mean, I'm just, it just seems to me like you guys are creating a situation of double 208 00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:09,480 taxation, because I think that we played our money that we were counting for, it's not 209 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:15,600 that money go. I mean, I think you've tried to explain it, but I don't follow your explanations 210 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,040 at all. And I think there's things being covered up that you're not telling us. 211 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:24,800 And then my next question is, if I have such a large tax increase, 212 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:30,760 when our taxes are a righty sky high, then we were paying we were Ken. So, my taxes, 213 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,940 you know, I'm paying close to $5,000 in taxes. When I first moved here 30 years ago, 214 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:41,820 I was paying $1,200 in taxes. That's a gigantic tax increase. And most of that's been in the last five years 215 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,720 these pension increases. And of course, we were counting on you, but the still tax increase. 216 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:54,480 And then I'm wondering, I'm in our own city, that's not much more expensive than when we were down 217 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,900 it was running in. Why are you doing this? It doesn't make any sense to me. And then 218 00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:11,120 You know, this is this may seem pretty pretty anti what you're doing, but I didn't vote for this. So I have a try to go back to the way it was and reality. 219 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:12,940 And then I think 220 00:19:12,940 --> 00:19:23,910 I think you're pushing people out that are on fixing things like me just retired. And I'm wondering how am I going to be able to live up here. 221 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,870 Am I going to have to move somewhere else? Thank you. 222 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:27,570 Thank you. 223 00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:28,690 Did you get it? 224 00:19:28,990 --> 00:19:29,430 Yes, 225 00:19:35,370 --> 00:19:36,350 I called it pretty even. 226 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:37,350 My name is Ray Ross. 227 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:38,090 I live in Liberty. 228 00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:40,010 A lot of my wife. 229 00:19:40,110 --> 00:19:40,950 I'm recently retired. 230 00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:43,150 So I'm now facing the fixed income. 231 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,200 The feasibility study, I believe, was done. 232 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:48,420 Excuse my ignorance. 233 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:51,900 But during a strong snow season, 234 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:53,780 excuse me, we're coming in. 235 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,060 They were paying a lot of money. 236 00:19:55,580 --> 00:19:57,260 We were getting upwards of $3 million. 237 00:19:57,900 --> 00:19:58,920 That would go into the county. 238 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,020 But we were losing that. 239 00:20:00,020 --> 00:20:07,040 I don't know precise dates and such of that percentage in this feasibility study. 240 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:14,320 The platform that you ran on was, we're not going to raise taxes, that's where I 241 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,840 heard the first couple of meetings, we're going to move forward, we're going to do our best, 242 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,180 at least for the first year. 243 00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:23,200 I may be off on that, however. 244 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,580 Next year, we're going to hear net following, if the snow comes up, and the skiers come back, 245 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:33,720 We get our money back. Thank you. 246 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:34,480 Thank you. 247 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:51,970 My name is Jeff Burden, 74 Taiwanese, 500 North. 248 00:20:52,670 --> 00:20:55,390 I've been here for 46 years. 249 00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:59,510 I appreciate the council. 250 00:21:00,130 --> 00:21:02,230 All you're trying to do to make this work. 251 00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:05,290 The problem is, 252 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:09,770 It's fantasy bill builds on a faulty foundation. 253 00:21:10,450 --> 00:21:14,990 State law was set up as I understand it to ensure 254 00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:21,030 a new incorporation could stand on its own feet for years 255 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:26,190 without a tank tax increase and without a captain services. 256 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:31,990 Obviously, it's a faulty study. 257 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:38,530 the vote never should have taken place. The city never should have been incorporated 258 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:47,970 because it doesn't meet the criteria obviously standing on its own feet. Now 259 00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:52,150 every one of these scenes in this little hand-acting gave us if you give us 260 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:58,090 the tax increase we're going to do be able to do all these scenes. Well guess what? 261 00:21:58,090 --> 00:22:05,790 the county already did all these things with no tax increase. If we weren't 262 00:22:05,790 --> 00:22:10,970 incorporated we would have no tax increase and we would be getting better 263 00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:18,050 services than we are now. Understanding you're trying to cut expenses by not 264 00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:23,390 filling thought holes and other things. Well the county would have been filling 265 00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:32,830 the polls, and we would have had no tax increase. So my request to you is to see Council 266 00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:41,930 the people, is that you petition the legislature, the governor's office, to provide an opportunity 267 00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:49,130 for us to rapidly disincorporate fantasy bill, because it just goes into the good. 268 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:50,070 But we've 269 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:58,190 got to be real real because these increases 270 00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:03,510 that are facing us all are going to really hurt 271 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:04,470 a lot of people. 272 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:09,390 Some people don't care, a lot of people do care. 273 00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:11,930 And it'll hurt them, it'll drive them out of the valley. 274 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:13,830 And there goes the valley character. 275 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:16,190 Thank you. 276 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:17,050 Thank you. 277 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:29,970 Hi, my name's Anita Golden. 278 00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:31,650 And I live here with myself. 279 00:23:39,910 --> 00:23:45,670 I'm going to read it because it's three minutes exactly. 280 00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:52,850 We voted to form a new city based on the information presented to residents at the time of 281 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:54,630 a proposal was brought for us. 282 00:23:54,690 --> 00:23:59,210 We were told that a significant portion of the revenue generated within our community was 283 00:23:59,210 --> 00:24:04,150 going to other entities or city and that forming your own city would allow those revenues to remain 284 00:24:04,150 --> 00:24:09,190 within our community. We are also led to believe that creating the new city would not result in any 285 00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:15,090 increase in our property taxes. Now we have a newly formed city, newly elected officials and a very 286 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:21,710 different financial reality being presented to us. We are told that a 512% increase in proposed 287 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:27,650 property tax may be necessary to provide the infrastructure and services required to operate the city. 288 00:24:27,650 --> 00:24:32,990 That is the fundamental departure from what many residents understood and relied upon 289 00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:34,190 and voting for cityhood. 290 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:41,410 In the financial assumptions presented in voters, they have changed so dramatically if 291 00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:45,110 the financial assumptions are provoked, presented in voters have changed so dramatically. 292 00:24:45,410 --> 00:24:49,590 The residents are now facing the possibility of the substantial tax increase. 293 00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:54,130 Technically, we have an obligation to step back and reconsider whether forming a new city 294 00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:57,250 was in fact the best and in the best interest of our community. 295 00:24:57,810 --> 00:25:01,830 I also believe the community deserves clear explanation regarding the private company 296 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:06,170 that audit and the board evaluated of the city and determine the city was financially 297 00:25:06,170 --> 00:25:06,670 sustained. 298 00:25:07,570 --> 00:25:13,350 It's not about criticizing or nearly that elected officials who are opposing responsible 299 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:19,010 funding for necessary infrastructure, it's about accountability and transfers transparency. 300 00:25:19,790 --> 00:25:24,230 If the circumstances and financial realities are substantially different from what was 301 00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:28,570 presented voters and residents should have the opportunity to reconsider the decision 302 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:29,810 to form the city. 303 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:35,390 I respectfully request that our elected officials investigate the visibility and legal process 304 00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:41,150 of dissolving or repealing the newly formed city and returning governance to the county rather 305 00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:46,510 than imposing a dramatic tax increase on residents to sustain the structure that voters may not 306 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:52,950 have approved, have incurred financial information and been presented at a time. At a minimum, 307 00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:58,750 before a significant tax increase is adopted, residents should be provided with the FAFs. We voted 308 00:25:58,750 --> 00:26:06,830 for cityhood based on the information provided to us. If that information is no longer reflex reality, 309 00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:09,590 we deserve the opportunity to reconsider that decision. 310 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:12,010 If anyone 311 00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:26,710 else, they won't come back after we go online. 312 00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:29,850 That's just anybody else that was made up to speak 313 00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:31,230 from in the house. 314 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:35,290 I think they're in there. 315 00:26:35,710 --> 00:26:36,310 Sorry. 316 00:26:39,370 --> 00:26:40,710 I'm Ben Hollis. 317 00:26:40,910 --> 00:26:45,870 I live at 2243 East 6825 North. 318 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:54,190 As we considered the option of becoming an Ogden Valley 319 00:26:54,190 --> 00:27:03,830 city. I predicted that inserting another level of government would cost us a lot of money. 320 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:09,040 That seems to have come true. 321 00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:19,240 All I have seen, and I know that you work hard, that you're not 322 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,220 I'm cell raised and have volunteered your services. 323 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:40,700 I think that it, the 500% increase in one line on the property tax bill seems excessive. 324 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:51,790 We're still paying for schools and other things through the Weaver County apparently. 325 00:27:51,790 --> 00:28:14,530 But this one line now is going to increase 500% and I suspect that the reason that it is increasing is because we are inserting a new level of government cost money. 326 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:24,180 All that you have outlined are apparently things that you see that we need to do. 327 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:34,780 But it seems that under Weaver County, we were doing just fine on all of those things. 328 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:46,400 I am wondering and would like any explanation that anybody can give me as to what are we 329 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:54,540 getting for a 500 percent increase in a single line item. Thank you very much. 330 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,040 Thank you. 331 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,220 Everybody covered everything that I wanted to say on Michael Wire, 332 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,940 it was about 3916 North, 3500 East in Liberty. 333 00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:21,440 My question, you said you aren't going to answer 334 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,900 questions here, but my question maybe you could put on the website or whatnot. Can we go back? 335 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,700 Can we go back to re-recount my service? 336 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:30,820 That's a little bit. 337 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,200 The other is a room. 338 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:41,320 And I'll come back to the room as well. 339 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,520 That is everybody on the other hand. 340 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,120 Yes. 341 00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:48,280 Megan, I'm sending you that on mute comments. 342 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:51,020 So you can go ahead and have a good time. 343 00:29:54,290 --> 00:29:54,810 Okay. 344 00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:55,430 Thank you. 345 00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:58,510 Megan Bowen 417-4 Sunrise. 346 00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:59,650 and 347 00:30:01,580 --> 00:30:09,720 I'm confused about the current status and not being able to collect taxes because of the 348 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:19,460 January 2 filing. So is this gap funding until we can collect taxes? I don't know the 349 00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:26,100 law or the process, but is this a one-time, one-year tax increase to cover uncollectable 350 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:34,460 city property taxes, or is this a rate height effective in perpetuity? Once the city can 351 00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:40,160 legally collect taxes next year, will property taxes be reverted to what they would have 352 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:47,300 been in this year if the city could have collected property taxes? And can this increase be presented 353 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:53,900 and framed as a quote assessment versus a tax to cover the deficit as gap funding so that 354 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:58,080 that our exposure for this significant rate hike is not permanent. 355 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:06,560 You know, what happens, you know, I mean, once we establish this 500 plus percent rate 356 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:14,940 hike to cover gap funding, can we go back and will the taxes be reduced or are we looking 357 00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:16,020 at this forever? 358 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,820 That's, you know, my question and my confusion in this process. 359 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,460 Thank you very much. 360 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:23,640 Thank you. 361 00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:29,600 Is there a way to ask us to write down those questions so we can work with them in our 362 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,280 inquiries. 363 00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:30,940 Oh, perfect. 364 00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:33,040 So much for us. 365 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:36,120 Thank you guys. 366 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:36,680 Yes. 367 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:37,580 I would like to ask. 368 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,980 Thanks for saying that. 369 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:39,460 Thank you. 370 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,040 Thank you very much. 371 00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:41,340 Thank you for your comments. 372 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,080 Oh, 373 00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:55,460 my name is Dan Hickson, 3385, he'll lane you need him. 374 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:03,980 My comments are similar to what everybody else has been saying that if this 500% is just 375 00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:10,340 getting us to baseline, then I think we need to have a serious conversation about reverting 376 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:16,960 the incorporation, or at least having a vote of whether or not we want to go back to 377 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,500 county control. Beyond that, I would like to see if there were any other creative solutions 378 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:37,560 that were kind of researched, for instance, is there a way that we could maybe add a non-resident property tax for houses that sit, you know, six, nine months out of the year without people living in them. 379 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:43,660 To kind of offload that tax burden on the citizens that live here full time. 380 00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:49,180 just creative solutions like that that could kind of ease the pain a little bit 381 00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:53,820 of this if there's no chance of going back to being unincorporated territory. 382 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,140 That's that's all I have. 383 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,200 Thank you very much. 384 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:03,790 Great. 385 00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:06,070 I'm sending you an on mute comment. 386 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:15,470 Sorry. 387 00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:19,170 I don't really want it used to be up to 388 00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:35,930 get off of the speaker. 389 00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:36,930 Okay. 390 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:37,810 We got you now. 391 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,480 Is that better? 392 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:49,660 Okay, my name is Greg Friedman, I'm at 3436, Big Piney and Eden and I just wanted to rehash 393 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:54,300 or accept, I'm sorry, I don't want to rehash whatever one has said but I want to point 394 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:59,120 out a couple of things and my background is finance and simple math. 395 00:34:00,140 --> 00:34:06,700 And when we look at not just this year and this particular shortfall that we have, I think 396 00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:11,880 we also have to look out whether it's three years, five years, ten years, and realize we're going to 397 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,280 have continuing shortfalls if we continue on the path we've got. Two main things, drive that. 398 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:24,100 One, the five of you who I consider service angels for doing what you've done are unpaid. 399 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,740 I don't know that that's realistic to think is going to happen forever. 400 00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:33,940 I think the staffing is going to continue to increase, so our overhead as the city is going to increase. 401 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:55,660 I also had brought up the topic on the sunsetting of some potential taxes that are being used for bridging the gap and at the time the city council had said that it would not be appropriate to set a sunset, even though they're usefulness for which they were being allocated was would have been expired. 402 00:34:55,660 --> 00:35:05,280 So, I think it's important to be on the record that forgetting where you fall politically or opinion on this, the math is not mapping on how we're trying to do this. Thank you. 403 00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:07,260 Thank you. 404 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,280 I will not have the time. 405 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:23,180 I will go back the room and see if anybody else has anything they want to say regarding the chance to support. 406 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:48,580 I'm just looking at your guys in the budget, and I have a few questions coming from a business standpoint, because you're proposing raising your admin costs by $1.3 million for an alleged three physicians, and I highly doubt your paying them $433,000 each a year. 407 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:56,420 Why even without the proposed budget, it's going up 900,000 yet your road work without the budget will only go up three. 408 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,620 Your road work is going to go up less than your admin budget coming from a business standpoint. 409 00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:06,300 When you overstast a number to produce, not really a good business sense. 410 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:17,300 I suggest take some of those admin, review them, put in more full-time public works departments, more road maintenance, and you'll have everything you want without everybody being pissed. 411 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:18,180 that 412 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,560 was Martin, 43, 15, sunrise, drive reading, just a very short comment. 413 00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:33,580 One, I remain very optimistic about Odden Valley City. 414 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,460 So I wanted to not be the, I didn't want you to think the whole room was only one side. 415 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:45,260 I do have an expectation that the 500% find out and the people are talking about as a stop gap measure. 416 00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:49,700 And I did a casual read of the things that have been published about it. 417 00:36:49,700 --> 00:37:01,200 And it does seem that the timing is an exceptional situation, and I have confidence that you guys will work through it, and I also think that the voluntary board is not sustainable. 418 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:05,200 In due course, that should be accounted for as well. That's all I have to say. 419 00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:05,680 Thank you. 420 00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:41,830 I'm not going to rush to close, we can't really speak, we'll just hang out here for a minute 421 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:47,350 and if somebody raises a hand, but in the room or online, happy to let me know if I'm 422 00:37:47,350 --> 00:38:00,040 Yes, sir. Would you explain the route when they process from this point forward that you will take the route of 423 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:14,280 To the exact station. Yes, anything that you're going to do to track taxation, one track taxation, how are you going to work through all of this and make a decision? 424 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:24,160 So I'll just say, I'm not the procedure. I'm not allowed to get into that work. I know 425 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,800 that sounds really frustrating. I'm happy to stay after talking to anyone who wants to talk to me. 426 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:35,980 But when I'll restate from the intro is that no action is stated tonight. This is strictly adhering from the public again. 427 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:42,560 There is an agenda item next Tuesday at our regular council meeting where we will have. 428 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,800 of there is discussion and action on the budget. 429 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,960 So that would be coming up next Tuesday at 6 p.m. 430 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,060 right here in this room. 431 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:57,820 We have an open appeal. 432 00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:01,240 Obviously, that would open appeal at the state supreme court 433 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:04,800 that has not been, has not had a judgment on. 434 00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:07,320 And that's why I can stay tonight. 435 00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:09,980 But I'm happy after the public hearing to stick around. 436 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,500 I was like to anyone who wants to talk to me. 437 00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:15,600 Yeah, so how like all the comments we just made and what not how are those 438 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:21,800 processed what what's going to like how are you going to debate over those the comments. 439 00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:26,170 And I think it's that those should be shouldn't. 440 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:26,770 Okay. 441 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:28,310 Okay. 442 00:39:28,690 --> 00:39:37,070 And I'm working on your reflections with all of us and what I intend to do is get a 443 00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:40,250 to get questions and do a Q&A. 444 00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:45,970 I don't know if we can get it in time for the next issue 445 00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:49,030 of the newspaper, which comes out of Friday and Saturday. 446 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:50,690 But I don't know. 447 00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:52,650 Well, put it on the website. 448 00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:57,410 The code is as mayor sites. 449 00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:58,990 It's kind of frustrating for us. 450 00:39:59,110 --> 00:40:01,230 We want to, well, hang out afterwards. 451 00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:03,130 But we want to get you answers. 452 00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:05,950 And I just have personal attention. 453 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:08,490 I don't like people are wonderful. 454 00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:10,810 So thanks for your respect. 455 00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:14,130 It's sensible comments. 456 00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:16,210 Thank you. 457 00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:19,330 When will those minutes be posted? 458 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:22,110 When will those minutes be posted? 459 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:25,730 I mean, you want to address that. 460 00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:28,230 The minutes actually go through the boss. 461 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:31,630 So they have to be voted on cancel. 462 00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:33,530 on. So it doesn't happen. 463 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:42,370 But if we can, we can, after the comments, we can do FAQs, 464 00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:47,450 comment comments, and try to answer the questions. And that's what you put aside in the minutes. 465 00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:54,970 So, you know, some usually things in the minutes must be done in the days where a lot of times 466 00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:57,030 that are done pretty close to 50 days. 467 00:40:59,230 --> 00:41:01,050 Okay, A, brick 40. 468 00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:03,810 And audio recording is posted. 469 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:05,810 There's man, and what, and brick 40 are sharing. 470 00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:07,550 Oh, this, we've got, we've got, 471 00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:09,670 the audio recording is pulled to the side 472 00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:11,350 that I'm going to talk about, the west side. 473 00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:14,730 That looks like brick in three days. 474 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:17,390 And there's some, this entire meeting, 475 00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:20,190 and in some time, the listened to, 476 00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:22,270 I want to start the end of this business. 477 00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:24,310 Lost in, lost. 478 00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:25,590 I appreciate that. 479 00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:26,870 It was some of the slides. 480 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:28,210 I just brought it more on the question. 481 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:32,410 What I'd like to compose close particular questions. 482 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:33,270 I assume that. 483 00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:35,550 There's more to follow. 484 00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:37,090 Thank you. 485 00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:37,770 Thank you. 486 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:38,350 I budget. 487 00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:39,390 As a long. 488 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:40,710 You can decide. 489 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:41,770 Yes. 490 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,360 Yes, that's right. 491 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,200 I want to say so. 492 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:47,820 Where is the main. 493 00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:49,240 I mean, you were my boss. 494 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,120 The regime. 495 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,840 The things this day. 496 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,760 I mean, it says your name again. 497 00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:54,700 I think it's good. 498 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,100 I think it's better. 499 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:06,900 I'm just wondering where the money coming from something like this, I just called it, and I don't think that I'm involved with there is attorney fees started. 500 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,320 Thank you. 501 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,240 Thank you. 502 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,580 just looked like Mr. Berkman, anybody's there? 503 00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:17,460 Or just one of the explanations on very handouts, 504 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,100 the right is the third column here, 505 00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,240 closed budget without a 10th grade student. 506 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:23,660 There's doubts. 507 00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:25,820 I don't know if any of you would come back. 508 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:26,980 It would be careful. 509 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:28,600 That's great. 510 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:29,900 It was saying we've been standing there 511 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,260 for the 10th and 11th and 11th and 11th. 512 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:32,600 Sorry. 513 00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:35,640 And I'm not sure whether I was thinking of, 514 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:36,720 I believe your question. 515 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,640 I'm just going to say a little louder at the hell. 516 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:40,340 I believe your question was, 517 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:44,480 with regard to the proposed property tax effect schedule that we were talking about. 518 00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:47,220 There's a handout you gave with a bunch of comments. 519 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,500 And this is our budget. 520 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,940 If we get the facts and the previous, it is. 521 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,660 Yes. 522 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,780 And your question was, sorry, there were people talking about your question was in that handout, 523 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,880 the proposed tax effect schedule, proposed budget without a tax increase, what have been 524 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,600 problems you're asking is that in 525 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,560 the vicinity collective what they're counting 526 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:20,940 doesn't remind you to rely on the services. It's not like that's how much the city 527 00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:25,480 would collide into their counting for like there's no budget in groups so 528 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:32,120 right. I'm trying really hard to stay within the parameters that I suppose they're 529 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,920 just not to answer questions but I will point out that there is a kind of the 530 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:45,340 just a look. So that would be, it's not a task, it's a fee. I would hold art law and that's 531 00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:50,720 how they shall be in the name. But that's still a blank thing I have to be able to say. 532 00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:56,980 We can refer your people to the clinical, and we have an art website that answers their 533 00:43:56,980 --> 00:44:04,620 question. The sort of fierce lady has called the phones packs. The packaging is, that's 534 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:06,920 I don't really know how many of you are in the city. 535 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,000 That's what we were saying and having for those services, 536 00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:11,420 no tax increase. 537 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,460 But because we're a city, you're proposing we have a 2.4 million 538 00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:20,680 dollar tax increase, provide the same services. 539 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,220 If I understand your handout, there. 540 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,880 Thank you. 541 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,400 I should have that as well. 542 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,200 I can't agree with you. 543 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,840 It's really frustrating for us too. 544 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:40,080 I honestly, that's what we stand up for, I'm not listening to anything. 545 00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:48,040 So, no, these are all questions, unlike you're just writing them down, that's great. 546 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,700 Like, I get you can't, it's a terrible place to be, violence is you. 547 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:56,160 Whoa, what's the benefit of incorporation? 548 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,460 It's like when I went to the meeting and I did 549 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,700 Thank you. Michael, why are three, nine, six, two, north, thirty, five, hundred east, liberty. Um, and I own that home. And, uh, so, um, I went all the meetings. I didn't go for it. I knew our taxes were going to go up. I knew that was like a sham to see like they're going to go down with incorporation. I watched all these other cities, Murray, trade, print, all that, all their taxes. But I do like having control over our value. 550 00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:38,340 That sounded cool, but how the taxes go up 500 percent and the first round what's it going to go up from there so so just 551 00:45:38,340 --> 00:45:46,900 As you're answering these questions for all of us. What's the benefit of being incorporated with that huge taxors? 552 00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:49,520 this. 553 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,040 Lanshundberg, 52, 51, and highway 39. 554 00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:06,800 Having gone through, seen a corporation in an area next to me, and gone through one, 555 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,160 I was adamantly against it. 556 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:19,560 I think you guys are living through the nightmare that it kind of presents itself, but also 557 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,220 I'm an advocate of the bit of head and city proportion, I've seen that. 558 00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:33,960 Just proposal and because we are uniquely situated, we're at four entry points into the city. 559 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:44,420 And, you know, I don't think this would harm people coming here for the lake or anything 560 00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:44,960 like that. 561 00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:47,600 What about a toll road's coming in? 562 00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:51,560 California does it some way. 563 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:58,660 I don't know how they do it, where it's just an automatic in the road type of thing, hoping 564 00:46:58,660 --> 00:47:01,780 that we wouldn't have to do foos or anything like that. 565 00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:04,020 that there would be some way that that could take place. 566 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:06,300 Corporations that are building up here 567 00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:11,480 can buy permits, residents that obviously get 568 00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:15,380 their permits, you know, proof of the living. 569 00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:17,800 Might want to do some for Monit Crisco, 570 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,320 extra big of their, this is their only main access point 571 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,220 to civilisation. 572 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,620 So they may need some special consideration. 573 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,200 That might be a solution to the issue. 574 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,880 So we are unique in that we have four roadways in here. 575 00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:36,140 I don't think it's gonna stop people from coming here. 576 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:39,000 We got the late, we got a few resorts. 577 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,940 One dollar, I ain't gonna hurt too bad. 578 00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,900 Come out and see your order wonderful, bit of heaven. 579 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,020 Thank you very much. 580 00:47:54,260 --> 00:48:01,180 Hello, my name is Laura Warburden and my address is 7328 East, 581 00:48:01,180 --> 00:48:05,640 1450 North used to be Huntsville and that was off to the city. 582 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,760 I'm not about to tell you that. 583 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,060 Ogden Valley City. 584 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,380 Yeah, I don't live in Ogden. 585 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,500 That's debatable. 586 00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:14,720 I don't know. 587 00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:19,220 Okay, this may come as a surprise to some people, but I want some clarification. 588 00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:27,510 I can't speak to them, so I'm going to ask some questions. 589 00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:28,730 without 590 00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:40,120 giving me exact numbers were we being supported by the rest of 591 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:48,540 unincorporated Weaver County before we incorporated. And is that ever going to 592 00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:54,180 change? Can we go back? If we were to disengorporate, would we be able to have 593 00:48:54,180 --> 00:49:05,640 that same privilege. I'm going to say no because I've done my research, so now we find 594 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:14,000 ourselves in a place that our taxes are going to go up. But whatever reason the decision 595 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:19,920 was made, whoever decided to do it, whoever voted, I absolutely voted against it, worked 596 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,220 my bed off to get people to wake up. Apparently I wasn't very believable and apparently 597 00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:29,500 I'm the worst person on the face of the earth, but I still care. 598 00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:35,920 So the reality is, 599 00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:42,270 it's going to take at least two years unless something changes at 600 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:48,070 the capital for us to even be able to ask for disappropriation. 601 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,420 And then there will be a whole other campaign again. 602 00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,640 By that time, I don't know how many things will be set in place. 603 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:03,860 But if anyone thinks here that 500% is where it stops, 604 00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:06,660 damn it, listen to me. 605 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,100 It's going to go over 1,000%. 606 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,960 We haven't built buildings. 607 00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:15,760 We're sitting in someone else's buildings. 608 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:17,740 We haven't hired the city manager. 609 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,260 That other people wanted to hire. 610 00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:21,760 There's a lot more coming. 611 00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:27,480 But I don't know that we have, I don't have it in me 612 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,920 to run that campaign. I just want people to get the facts straight and to know 613 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,840 what we're against it. That is the case. So am I wrong in knowing that we're 614 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,900 not. You're in front of the cry. I can't look at you. 615 00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:43,700 Do I say anything here 616 00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:49,840 that was inappropriate or wrong besides the swear word? Okay. Thank you for 617 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:57,480 your time. I wish my councilman was here. We are going to have to raise taxes no 618 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,480 no matter what you told your people, I've heard you say it over and over again. 619 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,360 Okay, so I better damn well here, yes, out of you. Sorry for this way again. 620 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,200 No, no, I'm sorry. We have to raise up things, and please, it's not a lot. 621 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,240 Yeah, that's good. Okay, sorry. That I'm not used to. 622 00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:22,960 Okay, well, yes. Thank you for your work. You're working your butts off. 623 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,540 I'm watching that. 624 00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:30,330 It's no easy task where you guys are going through and what you're 625 00:51:30,330 --> 00:51:36,850 handed. So please keep up the good work, keep us informed, keep writing to the paper, 626 00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:42,350 keep getting, I am so close to saying that I have to come in and help with the websites 627 00:51:42,350 --> 00:51:43,450 that's driving me nuts. 628 00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:52,110 But still a good job. Okay, still a great job. Totally appreciate 629 00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:55,290 what you're doing. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. 630 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,900 How did this area go online? No, man. 631 00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:07,540 Where are you all at? There are no endings for the check. 632 00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:09,640 But they all stay on top. 633 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,240 You're going to ask the question. I know you're not going to. 634 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,260 You can't answer it. But I'm asking it so everyone can understand this. 635 00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:21,480 My name is Joe Donovan, 4820 preview drive. 636 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:28,940 My tax bill that I received had the exact same percentage for the last year or 637 00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:32,880 a year before that, the year before that. As we were counting, come to you and 638 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,580 said, if you didn't incorporate and we had to do it, what would my tax 639 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:39,420 rate go? Bill's go up. 640 00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:44,620 I mean, everybody standing here thinking, oh, those didn't 641 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:49,140 go up. We would have been paying the same thing for cloud loss. I think for 642 00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:51,580 everything. Well, we per county, if we weren't 643 00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:54,300 incorporated, my tax bill would have 644 00:52:54,300 --> 00:53:00,420 gone. Things go off. So my question is, have 645 00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:05,120 you had any any input from them as to how much 646 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,580 money they would have charged us in 2026, if we 647 00:53:09,580 --> 00:53:13,600 didn't incorporate? That's a request. 648 00:53:24,610 --> 00:53:25,630 Anyone else who's at the rental? 649 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,580 My name is Richard Baker. 650 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:50,280 I don't have so much a question that has just an understanding that I had at the time we 651 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,920 voted for incorporation. 652 00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:58,940 And I think there was a lot of frustration with people who live here in the valley with 653 00:53:58,940 --> 00:54:03,660 the rezoning that was taking place that really opened the floodgates for what we see happening 654 00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:04,000 now. 655 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,860 Well, I think that's one of the reasons that many of us voted for 656 00:54:09,860 --> 00:54:15,540 incorporation because we felt that we'd have government at a more local level that would be more responsive 657 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:23,640 and not under the control of three commissioners that may have been compromised will never know what may have happened there. 658 00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:28,380 But I think that was one of the frustrations that we felt at the time we voted for incorporation. 659 00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:29,900 That's all I have to say. 660 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:30,480 Thank you. 661 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,480 I'm sorry, I can't hear anything. 662 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:41,840 Can't hear anything here on anybody. 663 00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:43,320 Let me just, 664 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:43,980 I'm sorry. 665 00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:44,680 You know, I've small, 666 00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:45,020 sorry. 667 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,960 So guys, I'll let you 668 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,720 sit again. 669 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:50,300 I'm for that. 670 00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:52,440 He said like something positive. 671 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,080 Yeah. 672 00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:05,420 Oh, I'm probably, 673 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:14,160 you guys didn't. 674 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:21,760 understanding was that before the incorporation that our taxes were subsidizing Weeper County 675 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:28,180 versus the other way around now, we just like clarification in the Q&A, rather than 676 00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:31,020 that they were supporting us, I thought we were supporting them. 677 00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:31,120 Thank you. 678 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:31,720 Thank 679 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,560 you. 680 00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:09,660 Sorry. 681 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,420 I put this off of the Ogden Valley. 682 00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:16,700 That's where the side of the area is. 683 00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:17,520 I need to hold it. 684 00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:18,280 Yeah. 685 00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:19,180 And also the side. 686 00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:21,940 Anyways, the proposal budget. 687 00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:23,760 I think it was going up 2.4. 688 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,180 And it looks like the majority majority of it is admin. 689 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,840 Like to the tune at 1.8. 690 00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:35,920 Which reports that's why our taxes are going up. 691 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:44,540 Over 200,000 is going to be paid to the managerial position at the city manager old time there. 692 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:58,300 Before we get to 120 homeless, the admin support, administrative assistant, 100 and community development director, 168 public works manager, 155, etc, etc. 693 00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:04,700 So, I guess that's where all these tax increases are going to be going added. 694 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,500 Can anybody want to print it out? 695 00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:12,700 It's on the site, so it's going to be a lot easier to 696 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:22,420 print out. 697 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:30,480 The last thing, even, it seems like a complete baby switch seems really unfair. 698 00:57:30,860 --> 00:57:32,840 This isn't well-revoted for any. 699 00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:37,110 Janet, you don't have to continue this. 700 00:57:38,170 --> 00:57:44,170 There's been, it's a regular, nebulous thing to suggest we go back to the county. 701 00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:50,430 But what I'm offering is something in between where I'm sure the Lieutenant Governor's 702 00:57:50,430 --> 00:57:56,950 Office would be sympathetic to listening to a petition that says we would like to fund 703 00:57:56,950 --> 00:58:01,150 another feasibility study and a revote. 704 00:58:02,790 --> 00:58:10,370 I'm kind of wondering, given these circumstances, if the vote would turn out the same as it did in the first place. 705 00:58:11,350 --> 00:58:13,230 I don't think that's an unreasonable request. 706 00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:21,210 I would like you guys to consider a petition to vote kind of Governor's Office asking that very thing. 707 00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:29,190 It would be cheaper for us to fund another feasibility study ourselves in the valve, just 708 00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:35,270 pass around the tip jar than to pay this increased taxes. 709 00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:41,870 I bet the results would be different, and I wonder how many here will be in favor of 710 00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:42,270 a refund. 711 00:58:44,790 --> 00:58:45,190 Thank you. 712 00:58:45,450 --> 00:58:45,830 Thank you. 713 00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:48,050 So I'm asking you to do that. 714 00:58:48,050 --> 00:58:49,550 And that's what we need to do. 715 00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:50,230 You got it. 716 00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:50,950 Down. 717 00:58:51,250 --> 00:58:59,850 You had to start a petition to look at a government's office that asked that we do another feasibility 718 00:58:59,850 --> 00:59:00,230 study. 719 00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:05,510 One that's reliable, one that we can trust, one that doesn't assure us that we have a service 720 00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:06,150 loss. 721 00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:09,070 She didn't make that up enough. 722 00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:15,390 I would be very happy to talk with you a lot of stories about and then the basic on 723 00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:19,930 that, that the discussion of another meeting with another vote on the ballot for the whole 724 00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:20,790 thing I'll overdo. 725 00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:27,540 I'm saying after I can have you tell you about the other. I'm not asking a 726 00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:31,040 question. I asked you to do something. Thank you. 727 00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:46,010 Yes. You heard me again. Thank you for 728 00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:52,310 my part. It's an honor to be held. That was it. We were told that we were so surprised 729 00:59:52,310 --> 00:59:56,150 I think can lower back up, but the numbers are right here. 730 00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:59,890 They were subsidizing us to. 731 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,340 $2.4 million for the year. So we were told wrong. My friend Kenny Rogers made a lot of 732 01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:17,340 enemies saying, you get an old one to hold him and when to hold him. Now's the time to 733 01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:22,020 hold him for the sake of all the people who live here. Thanks. 734 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,160 So I'm going to give it another 735 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:12,240 30 seconds or so. See if anybody wants to back up again. If not, then you see some deals. 736 01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:19,620 I move up your 79-7. Sorry, you're now in the Terry Claw. 737 01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:23,970 Now, that's actually who we're paying for. 738 01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:32,750 It was Terry Claw. Oh, thank you. Move your 97. 739 01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:42,550 seven. My property taxes were probably around $2,000. A couple years ago, they doubled. 740 01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:54,310 They went from $3,000 to $6,600 last year. There's $7,200 this year. Without your 741 01:01:56,390 --> 01:02:03,930 your incorporation. I really didn't vote for it, but I was doing this fine without the 742 01:02:03,930 --> 01:02:12,290 incorporation. So, in fact, the corporation is going to put more pressure on me. So, that's 743 01:02:12,290 --> 01:02:18,990 all I got to say. I'm not having anything against. You guys want to develop the value or control 744 01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:28,770 the why do we have to pay weaver county plus your city thing. That's all I got to say. I was 745 01:02:28,770 --> 01:02:37,050 out of the front spill. I'm in the county and pretty much happy over there. I still am. So all right, 746 01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:41,890 nothing against you guys. Thank you. Well, 747 01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:51,980 I'm at restart, you know, the kind of 30 second, 748 01:02:51,980 --> 01:02:56,120 And for about a second, proposing that he's anybody else wants to pop up and say anything. 749 01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:00,520 I'll continue to do that in the last person, just to see if we can catch anyone's, 750 01:03:00,980 --> 01:03:05,220 or I don't comment, but just see that the PC drop to that will close. 751 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,120 The public hearing will have a motion to ensure, and then it sounds like some of the council members. 752 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,340 Myself included, we'll stick around that if he wants to talk one on one or any small fruits or whatnot. 753 01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:20,240 But the public hearing itself is a staying regulated activity, 754 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:27,380 acquired virtual monetization, and it is specific about getting the comments and feedback from you all in two class. 755 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,560 So I need a lot of that. 756 01:03:33,530 --> 01:03:37,690 I just have something for your Q&A, hopefully post it on the website. 757 01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:38,470 Could we stay here? 758 01:03:38,770 --> 01:03:39,710 Chris is Akerson. 759 01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:40,930 Thank you. 760 01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:44,810 I mean, as he said, things go up. 761 01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:45,970 Taxis rise. 762 01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:47,210 You've got to pay for stuff. 763 01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:48,530 Stuff's more expensive every day. 764 01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:53,890 What I would like to see, let's say we're all stuck with this, don't have a choice, 765 01:03:54,150 --> 01:04:01,350 it happens, right? Can you post on your forum where you found your, like what money you found, 766 01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:07,050 you need for the roads for one. I know what probably comes from like past years and it's an estimate 767 01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:10,870 and whatever, but maybe go out and do your diligence and have some quotes drawn up for that. 768 01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:17,030 Same with the public works thing. Also, if the tough taxation comes into effect, what about the people 769 01:04:17,030 --> 01:04:19,370 of the living HOAs, we already pay for private community. 770 01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:20,690 Why do we need to pay you again? 771 01:04:21,110 --> 01:04:24,110 Maybe for the drive in and out, but I get that. 772 01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:26,830 But I would like just an itemized breakdown 773 01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:28,370 of where all the money's going. 774 01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:30,450 I appreciate her showing us where the salaries are. 775 01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:32,310 So there's one piece to the puzzle. 776 01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:34,810 And maybe just every little step of the way 777 01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:38,610 might make a little ha head a little cleaner. 778 01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:39,570 You know what I mean? 779 01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:41,070 Thank you. 780 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:48,940 Thank you, Cruz. 781 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:49,800 Thank you. 782 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,200 We'll stick around and answer any questions you can. 783 01:05:09,350 --> 01:05:12,710 People are shy to read, so why don't you go ahead and start that. 784 01:05:13,630 --> 01:05:14,310 That's the secret. 785 01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:18,510 I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing right now. 786 01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:20,230 And then I will look forward to it. 787 01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:24,090 We have a motion to adjourn. 788 01:05:24,090 --> 01:05:30,350 We also have a headband and a second no council member of Poland is set up as guests all over the day by 9 a.m. 789 01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:32,650 7 or 6 minutes.