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Rhonda, you want to lead us in the
pledge?

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Under God, indivisibley
and justice for all.

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» Thank you. WA

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» Jenny David
>> Roger Mayhew

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» present.
>> Greg Scott.

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» Yes.
>> Mark,

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» additions are corrections.
>> Let's make an addition, please.

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» Go ahead.
>> Uh MSU Extension, we have a couple

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people here tonight. Um Fran said we
could add that if it's okay with the

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annex conversation. That would be

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» any other additions or corrections?
>> I do, but I'll wait till after

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commissioners.
>> I have two things. I have a budget

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amendment from the sheriff's office that
was received. We talked about budget

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meeting this morning for deputies
overtime. So, if we could put that

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and I have a request from the treasurer
to request for um an audit that shall

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come up that just got added today.
>> Okay. Any other additions or

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corrections? So, we have a pretty
lengthy agenda. We are going to try to

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stay focused and moving forward.
Uh no other additions or corrections?

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Public comment.
Public comment on agenda items.

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Public comment on the phone.

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Uh discussion items item for a
presentation by jail administrator Mr.

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Regels.
>> Good evening, sir.

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» Afternoon, night, evening.
>> Thanks for coming.

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» Thanks for the invite.
>> Yeah.

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» Well, it was brought to my attention
that you guys needed to know what I'm

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doing.
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uh, as a jail administrator, I pretty
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I make sure the inmates are either in
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Uh, I do court ordered fingerprints. I
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all the logs are done. Uh

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the fire inspections,
every I don't know. I mean, pretty much

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anything that the ministry has to do,
I've been doing up to about a month ago.

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I took over and started doing the budget
and working on learning how to do the

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claim part of it.

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That's just the administrator part. Then
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basically doing a job of three people
because I have to do fill shifts for if

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CO's take a vacation.
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do like booking people in. So anything a
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transport guy takes
vacation. I fill in do transports also.

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So I do administrative stuff, steel
stuff and transport.

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I don't know what else you guys want me
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» Questions, comments. Commissioner Crick.
Oh, Commissioner Wily and I set the met

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with the jail administrator, sheriffs,
and the lieutenant

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Tuesday and uh
the lieutenant is mentoring

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Mr. Regels. So, I think um he's going to
come along. Justin did that for quite

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some time before.
So, he's got a good handle on what's

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going on in the jail side of things and
stuff. So, um I'm satisfied at this

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point in time.
I think probably what we need to do

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though is just do a reook in like 90
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I mean, that's just my thought. So,
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» don't know. They had nothing for you
when you took the job. They didn't have

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a list of stuff that you were supposed
to do.

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Well, I had a You
>> had a job description?

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» Yeah, I had a job description.
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as an administrator.

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[clears throat]
>> Did they have one for you? They don't.

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» No, they do.
>> You look at that job description. It's

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basically administrator and a
corrections officer job description put

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into Right. So, let's let's be honest.
If if the guy's doing a jail

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administrator job, he's not doing the
correction job. He's not doing basically

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the job description, right? He's trying
to work around and do everything right.

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Filling in, helping people out when he
needs to help out, coordinate with other

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counties to make sure we have placement
for inmates. There's been multiple times

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that Gladwin has been full. It's up to
this guy to figure out where they go.

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Not a corrections officer, not anybody
else. This is the guy that gets called

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in the middle of the night, right? We
have a troubled inmate.

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» We only can Gladwin will only sit on an
inmate for an hour. Right now, this guy

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has to coordinate people and it's not a
corrections officer, it's the admin

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coordinating people to make sure this
gets covered. Right? And this is part of

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our contract with Gladwell. There's a
lot of jobs outside of what you guys see

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and a lot of admin stuff that he is
doing and has been doing, right? The job

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description I don't feel is fair based
off linking two different positions into

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one. Is he doing both? Absolutely. He's
doing a little bit of both, right? Or a

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lot of both. So, the job description
isn't fair. And on a side note,

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it is a job description, right? But
ultimately, the job of a person in our

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department is up to the sheriff and
under sheriff, right? [laughter]

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So if the sheriff wants to have the
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sheriff to have the under sheriff do it,
>> right? See, we've got in trouble before

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over this and not saying it anything
here, but when somebody does a job that

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he's not supposed to do, when he's
removed or he leaves,

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» don't cover nobody. not so
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we've had it happen before.
>> I agree with you and and and you have a

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job description for that, right? But
ultimately, it's up to the sheriff and

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the undersher what this guy does,
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» Agree.
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tell him what he's supposed to do. He
He's has a job description. He

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» That's what's supposed to be done,
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through the cracks like it did before.
>> It cost transit pretty hard. I

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understand what you're saying,
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» Commissioner Scott.
>> Well, I was I was just sat in the law

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enforcement meeting and we we went over
this stuff and then I phoned out about

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meeting that uh
that Mark, Commissioner Server was

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talking about as far as the job
description goes. When all set up, the

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the sheriff's office had uh had input if
they wanted to. They had a chance for

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input into that.
at that point in time. Uh so uh and the

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intention was to give the sheriff's
office a a position to be able to do

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this management at an administrative
level. So, I mean to say that,

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you know, my thing was we set up this
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If if if the person that was assigned to
it was not doing that doing that, then

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there's no reason to have that. If if
the sheriff wanted to change the job

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description, well, then it changed the
whole position. Now, from what I

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understand, and as Mr. Regles has
explained, he's doing he's doing the job

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description. So, I'm happy happier. I'll
say I'm happier.

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So, no, I'm fine. Uh I I like uh I like
Commissioner Sirbrook's re-evaluation

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idea, and [snorts] that's fine with me.
>> So, we can get an update from you.

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» Trust will verify.
>> He's he's mentoring. I mean, it just

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that's where I'm coming from.
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» Um, I definitely feel a lot better about
things now than I did a couple weeks

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ago. I think we just were all concerned
when we, you know, were notified that,

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you know, claims weren't being done by
the jail administrator and budget issues

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weren't being done and it just kind of,
I think, made us think that, you know,

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what's going on? So, we just started
asking questions. Um, I learned a lot at

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the meeting that we had this past
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um and that you are doing some
administration things and the under

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sheriff's made it very clear and as you
also mentoring him he's going to be

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taking on more administration roles but
one one item that you really didn't

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touch on that I want to touch on because
I did at the law enforcement meeting

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when we first closed down the jail you
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of challenges so we were having weekly
meetings and there was a lot of uh you

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know the definitely both the circuit
court and district court judges were

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concerned with a number of things and
that you know how we were doing things

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in transport and that went on for a
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and we still were having challenges and
if you look back at it now, you know,

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now we're going on to two years and
those challenges don't exist. And I was

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notified and you did tell us that you're
in the courts a lot and I think that

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helps a lot. So I think that's
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note as well. So
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fellow commissioners is first of all I
didn't bring this to the table. Um, some

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other commissioners asked a couple weeks
back to bring this to table this to the

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table as far as possibly our job as a
budget. That's it. Not micromanaging,

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not telling who does what, where, when,
or how. In order to make good budget

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decisions, we need data to back that up.
So, it was brought to the table. Is this

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administrator doing an administrator?
What what exactly is occurring

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to possibly cut this position? Came to
the table. It's kind of been

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conversation ever since. Asked for some
data to back up this position. so that

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we can stand behind this position and as
of yet I have we received that I didn't

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get an email on it I don't know I did we
get data on this

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» through Motorola and some system it's
supposed to be pretty simple

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» on for what part of the
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three weeks ago that was requesting some
pretty I I guess before we get there I I

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want to go back to these other
commissioners obviously I'm not part of

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law enforcement and I wasn't part of
this that occurred on Tuesday. You guys

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are saying you're satisfied with
whatever answers you received.

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» Again, my question is because I didn't
hear an answer of why now you guys are

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okay with whatever information you
heard. I didn't hear it. So, versus you

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coming 90 days from now, bringing this
back to the table when I have zero

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knowledge on it, full force ahead, and
now all of a sudden we're we're okay

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with it. What do you know now that I
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» What
I found out was we were involved with a

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lot of what I would call behind the
scenes work that he's doing that we

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aren't privy to. We were able to have
that discussion. Um I know he's

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contacted Motorola who's a Motorola is
not the provider when I had anything to

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jail. Okay.
He made contact with Motorola. They have

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a has a programmer
do some things and I understand there's

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more to come. Am I correct in that? They
are going to work on getting the

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rewriting program or doing some
modification of that program so that we

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can actually see inmate X was brought
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» transferred to Gladwin the following day
or bonded out or whatever. we can have a

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running spreadsheet of [clears throat]
that information which we don't have now

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and my understanding is the current
program the way it is right now is not

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able to provide us with that kind of
data but in the future they're working

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on it we're going to be able to get that
correct

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» well as of Monday I did get some of it
where it breaks it down because before

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when you did it it only show when they
were accepted into the jail when they

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released. That's it. Now, as of Monday,
I got it. So, they got it. So, the time

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stamps on it now. So, now I have to go
through 144 people because that's how

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many we got in the last 60 days and try
break it all down to how long they've

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been in our jail and if they were
overnight. Is the program going to be

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able to tell us for the example that I
cited? Inmate X came in at 11:05 on

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September the second was transferred to
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a.m.
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» Yes.
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» Yes, it does.
>> They're going to be able to provide all

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that.
>> Yes. But don't break it down by the

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hours that you guys wanted data for by
hour and if they stayed overnight. So I

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have to figure all that out when I
>> But program this so that that data

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» they're not
simple to me.

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» Can't you just build an XL program?
>> Well, that's what we were trying to fill

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it in.
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» that's what's going to have to happen.
So it's a lot of work.

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» There's a number of people right here in
the county building can build an XL

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program to do exactly that.
>> I'm just shocked. We asked for a little

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data. I mean I read the communication
asked for a little data. Our job, our

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goal, I don't believe, is to cut any
positions, but it's to defend it. We're

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looking at a budget. Give us some data
as far as numbers, as far as what

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exactly is going on. That's where I felt
like this conversation was going. I

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guess I'm going to ask you now,
Commissioner Oley. You're saying you're

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okay with it. What information did you
learn Tuesday and possibly today that

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changed your mind so that we're not back
here 90 days from now in the same

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scenario? Because I I still didn't get
any information. Well, I'm not going to

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be able to give you any specific data if
that's what you're looking for. I mean,

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we've kind of made comments. You know,
in our meeting, we found out that he is

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doing more current administration roles.
I mean, the role alone of the juggling

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about between Gladwin, you know, we have
sentence inmates in Clare County. When

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Gladwin gets full, okay, well, I got to
make I got to get a hold of Arinac.

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Maybe we'll take some of the take some
CLA. I mean, that in itself is a lot of

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work and and Mr. Regels is doing all of
that was also brought back to attention

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again like I made the comment regarding
the court procedures. You know we we had

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those big challenges those challenges no
longer exists and the main reason for

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that and what I've seen in the people I
talked to is a lot because of what the

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jail administrator is doing. So now with
this all being said, and I brought this

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up in Tuesday's meeting, and I and I
talked about this before, you know,

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we're still spending 1 point I don't
know the exact, but over a million

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dollars of taxpayers money to run a
72-hour lockup. Is that the best thing

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that we can do with $1 million? You
know, so I've I've had this conversation

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with with Fran. We had this conversation
on Tuesday. I know you're at some

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counties, especially Alona County,
which, you know, they closed their jail

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down a while ago. You know, how do they
do it? What's their jail budget look

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like? And we still are spending $1
million. And yeah, I do want to see this

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data. I've been talking about this for a
while with France, especially since she

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started. How often throughout the the
week do we pay a full-time corrections

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officers to be sitting in a vacant jail?
is is is that good spending of our

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taxpayer money and that's the data that
we are having a hard time getting but

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but we can get there but I think this
conversation is going to still be

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ongoing because that's what our job is
you know are we being productive or

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being efficient again still spending a
million dollars for a 72-hour lockup

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when we don't sometimes even have
anybody in there so I think that's

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ongoing and I would like to be able to
you know spend a little more time on

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that as we get going, you know, here
into fiscal year 27, but you know, we

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can't answer that right now.
>> Any other comments?

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» Yeah, but
>> I want to expand on what you're saying

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about our job.
>> You have to see my point.

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» I see your point. I see your point.
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» I didn't ask for this to brief here.
>> No, it isn't just budget. Okay. The

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commissioner set the allocation for for
physicians also. We approve all job

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descriptions. The commissioners do that.
Okay. Not department heads. Department

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heads have a department heads have a an
input. Elected officials and the county

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commissioners are co-mployers. Okay. We
work together. Okay. The elected

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officials. Department heads answer right
to us. Okay. Department department head

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is hired and they answer directly to us.
Equalization director say or zoning

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administrator. I'm not I'm not just
hitting you with this. You're you're

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you're you're right in front of me.
Sorry. I I'll look at Brian now instead.

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But but elected officials and county
commissioners, we're all elected and we

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are co-mployers. We all set the
negotiating table together because we

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work as co-employers, but the the county
commissioners set the allocation of

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number of people and the positions of
those people. Okay. Um so uh this

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position of jail administrator was was
formed by the by the county

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commissioners and and that input is
asked from the sheriff's office and then

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do we build the we build the uh job
description and then we have to approve

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it officially vote on it and approve it.
So there's more than just the budget and

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when we make a job a particular job like
administrator and have a particular job

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uh description for it
well my thing was if that position isn't

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doing those things according to that job
description then then I got to ask the

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question why do I have that position now
it's just a position this man this this

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man by his name was not in that not in
that position at all or not even in that

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in that close to that role when we even
made this position. This is just a

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position. It's not a person.
>> I know that

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» I know it's very hard sometimes
distinguish the difference but it's a

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position and that's the way I look at
it. Is the position being done the way

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that the job description is? That's the
answers that that's the question I have

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and the answers I want to hear.
>> And what we heard from others was the

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verbiage came out that a glorified uh
corrections officer. So we're looking

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for data. We're looking for information
and we were here and now everybody's

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good. So I guess
>> well I'm I'm better. I'm not gonna say

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I'm good. I'm
>> I the question I had for the man in the

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law enforcement meeting is what are you
doing in the position? and he answered

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it for me and I was fine with that. I
think Commissioner Crick's got a good

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idea with the evaluation and I think
that's that's that's it through the

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whole thing. What what Ronald Reagan
say? Trust but verify.

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» All right. Any anything else? Anything?
>> Go ahead.

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» I just want to thank Mark and and
Charlie for coming over there um and

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sitting down with us. I think there's a
better understanding what what really

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goes on over there. And I I want to open
that up to anybody on this table. If you

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feel easy to come over and ask a
question, walk through, whatever, I'm

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just invite you over anytime. We'll make
arrangement. We'll make it happen.

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» Thanks, guys.
>> Thanks you guys.

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» Thank you.
>> Item 4B, resolution to accept Friends of

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the Deer Park donation.
>> Well, if you don't mind, take

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» Yeah, I've seen this on here.
>> Yeah. Um, we have we have the

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opportunity to buy a buck uh deer
and uh from uh from a rancher or not a

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rancher but a deer farmer up in Gaylord
and he's given us a good price on it and

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the and the friends of the deer refuge
uh 501c3 group has enough money to pay

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for it. We want to the the 501c3 wants
to donate the money to the county to buy

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the deer. So basically we're just asking
the county here's the money. Will you

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write a check and buy this deer?
>> Do you not have a buck right now? Are

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you switching out?
>> We have many bucks. Uh this one here has

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lineage. He has paperwork. Okay. Um so
in the future the next the next the what

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he will sire
will have half paper.

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» Bill can check that for you.
>> Huh?

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» The sire aspect. [laughter]
Phil. Phil,

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» he does it once a year.
>> What? Deer

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» bulls.
>> But it's the same thing as the cows,

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» right?
>> I'm sorry.

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» It's the same thing. And
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» well, we don't we don't have that. We we
we do not have that anymore. We've had

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it years ago. We had it. We don't have
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» the genetic.
>> Oh, yeah. We want to pre Yes. We've

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already got we've already got from the
deer farmer that the offspring next year

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could be worth some money. We have some
bucks up there that are worth more than

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that. Right now, we're just looking for
some buyers. We have not We have just

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been granted that license level
>> from the state so that we can buy and

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sell deer and deer can leave the the the
park alive. Your your vet bills are up

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to date.
>> Well, huh.

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» Your vet bills are up to date.
>> The vet bills are up to date and we are

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TB free. We have been TB tested. We're
completely negative. Um everything's

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inoculated at at where it's supposed to
be and everything else. But uh uh as it

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was the licenses we had last year, deer
could not leave alive. They had to

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either be euthanized or or or die by
natural cause, but they could not leave

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the park. They were on ex exhibition
only, and that's that license. There's

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four levels of licensing.
>> So, we're just asking

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» uh and I know that we don't usually
approve resolutions, but I' I'd like to

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make a motion to pass this tonight if we
can so I can get the billing in the

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cycle as soon as possible. Um he's ready
to deliver this deer and we have six

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potential mates for him. So he's going
to be

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» he's going to be busy this fall. So
>> right around the corner.

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» Yeah. Yeah. So [clears throat]
>> I just wanted to add that to kind of

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answer your question. We definitely need
to take and get some new genes in the

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because the bucks that we currently have
are offspring of offspring of offsprings

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though that
>> gene pool is very concentrated in

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» So yeah, we need to get rid of some of

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the ones we've got. Bring us new
genetics.

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» I have one question.
>> Go ahead.

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» What what is the fund balance of your
friends at Deer Park? What kind of money

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you guys got?
>> I I don't have that. I don't have I

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would have thought
>> not a huge deal. I just wonder

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» there's money there, right?
>> I don't know. I don't

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» There have to be. We don't know that.
>> We don't.

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» Oh, you said that.
>> Yeah, you did say that. Thank you. Okay.

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Did someone make a resolution?
>> I made a motion to accept.

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» Oh, support.
>> Motion, Commissioner Scott. Support from

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Commissioner Sirbrook. You guys know I
hate this.

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» I know you do.
>> Well, I have that we have to do later.

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So, sorry.
Okay.

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» Any other any other comments?
>> A roll call vote with money.

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» Sir Brook.
>> Yes. [clears throat]

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» Greg Scott.
>> Yes.

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» Um Charles Woodsy.
>> Yes.

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» Roger Mayhew.
>> Yes.

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» Jenny David,
>> yes.

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» Item 4C, resolution to approve fiscal
year 2027 MGT impact solutions agreement

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for friend of the court title 4D
services. So, if you see there's a

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memorandum that comes from Michael, it's
a MG contract that would um begin in

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October. This was a new um in Okama
County. However, it's used in multiple

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counties and it provides title 4D
billing services and the time processing

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sheets that is used by a lot of front of
the courts. This is a re reimburseable

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um of you'll see on your next of 84% and
one line 66%. So the net cost after

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state reimbursement is 4,41144
and is requested in the 2627 budget

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» comments.
>> Is this something that we can put on to

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the next meeting then for the vote?
>> Yeah, it's just here for committee of

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the whole I'll let you know. That's the
>> let us know the other things. Okay.

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» Comments, questions?
>> Oh, go ahead.

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» I've looked it over a little bit. I I
I'm going to dive into it some more, but

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I don't see why we're not bringing this
up. Yeah. From what I see it supported

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» memo and contract for county bed rental
agreement for Michael Lefay, court

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administrator.
>> Um so that is also if you look at the

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contract, there's a memo that's included
in there. um that we don't have any

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wiggle room that this is a contract that
they provide that we have to sign. It's

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not something that we send illegal. They
say no, this is the contract that they

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gave. So that will be coming next week
as well if it's

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» an ongoing contract,
>> correct?

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» $340 ongoing contract. I mean, we've had
contract with Ottawa.

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» We have a contract with Ottawa. We don't
>> Do you want to come up, judge? much, but

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in order to use them, we need this
contract and it's not negotiable with

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them. We tried to negotiate it last
three year contract and they just said

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take or leave it. You want to use our
bed, this is our contract. We haven't

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had to use them since 2023, but we have
to

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like say when we need a bed and they
have an opening.

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» You need a
>> just so everybody's aware, detention bed

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rentals 340 a day. Rise treatment
program is 3.90 per day. Just because we

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talked about cost
>> it went off

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» 340 for a detention bed rental and a
rise treatment program is 390 per day. I

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didn't want somebody to think it was
$3.40.

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» Okay. $340 a day.
>> Okay. Comments, questions on that? We

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don't have a choice, so it's got to be
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» Resolution to approve Shardan Laboratory
Water Treatment.

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» So, the next four resolutions are going
to go together. They're mixed in for

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budget amendments. The first one that
you have is regarding the water

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treatment. As I've told you um stated
before a couple meetings ago, the two

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boilers that we have, as you know, it's
a little toasty in here or it's a little

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cold in here because it's not regulated.
As those two boil boilers that we have

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were under um warranty barely. However,
we have to have our water at 7.0. When

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they were initially put in, they were at
6.6. They were recently at 6.8. However,

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they will not provide the service and
the maintenance to put in the new

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boilers until the water level is done.
So, you'll see attached an invoice for

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2636 that will cover the four quarterly
payments that needs to be um done for

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them. Um, but the contract needs to be
signed and this needs to be done tonight

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because we can't have those installed
until this is done for the um boilers to

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be installed. So, it's actually
affecting our our paper on our printers

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because of the humidity that is in the
air. So, we've had a lot of paper jams

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and that was noted because of the
humidity that's happening. So every

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level and every office is at a different
um temperature because of it. So the

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sooner that we get this done in the
water then they can put in the two brand

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new boilers.
>> Comments

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» question.
>> Go ahead.

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» Each quarter is 659.
>> Correct.

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» Okay. The 26 is not a quarter. That's
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» correct total.
>> Okay. That's better.

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» I exceeded. Go ahead, Commissioner Wy.
>> We We got to do this. We got to get

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these boilers in. We're fortunate that
these boilers are still under warranty.

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We need it's our only option.
>> I think that and I um explained which I

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think they really pushed for the
warranty as a defect of the manufacturer

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because they came off the line one after
another. If they were two boilers that

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were within 20 numbers, they wouldn't
say that it was a defect of a

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manufacturer. So
>> yeah,

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» we got lucky.
I'm seeing something here where

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installation is not included in the
above pricing. Someone decides shardan I

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have to install. Is that
>> the guaranteed prices is the last page

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of 2636 that they're going to do all the
work

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» item description.

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If you look at the orderly services cost
includes all chemicals and services we

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have discussed for the hot water boilers
and chill loop service. This is not a

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low ball estimate to get your business
in current pricing we feel. If you look

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at the item description it includes the
quarterly service visits include closed

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loop treatment for hot water boilers
chilled loop all water testing on hot

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water and chill loop systems chemical
delivery and empty container disposal

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» quarterly.
But it's the page before it's it's

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saying installation

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I think the the filters and things like
that filter vessels

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» the filter vessels when they put the
quantity

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:28,640
» somebody else has to install the filter
vestable vessel vessels add the cleaning

411
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:33,200
chemicals and plush systems someone
other than Chardan has to do that

412
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,760
» I don't know about the equipment pricing
is the back page page when I received it

413
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:45,080
from them when they came out to do it
and one that will get us to the 7.0 PH

414
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080
level.

415
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,600
» Make a motion to approve this. You need
this, correct?

416
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,880
» Yes. And then there's going to be some
budget attachments for it.

417
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:57,760
» Support.
>> We have a motion to support discussion.

418
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,360
This is to clear our water up. No,
>> you got to do it. You

419
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:05,200
» got to do it. Uh, any further
discussion? Roll call vote. Greg Scott.

420
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,120
» Yes.
>> Barls Wilty.

421
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:10,320
» Yes.
>> Roger Mayhew.

422
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,927
» Yeah.
>> Jenny David.

423
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,919
» Yes.
[clears throat]

424
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,120
» Yes.
>> Resolution to approve control solutions

425
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,519
for HVAC services.
>> As you see that this is $700. This is

426
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:25,279
programming for control solutions. No
allowance to repair faculty. The HVAC.

427
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:30,640
These are for the controls that needs to
be done with the three-year agreement.

428
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:37,120
And if you see, I think it expires on
8.2626. said it has already expired and

429
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:41,519
so that's why it's coming tonight.
>> Comments, questions?

430
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:47,039
» Here's my question on this on the
resolution.

431
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:52,320
It says whereas control solutions pro
provided a proposal to pro perform the

432
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:59,200
necessary repairs to the highback
control equipment at a cost won't cost

433
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:03,679
not to exceed $700. I don't think their
quote has anything to do with repair. I

434
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:08,559
thought it specifically had a disclaimer
in there for repair.

435
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:14,519
» Yep. So, we take the word out repair
to perform

436
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,519
the control equipment.

437
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,679
» It's a software update. Correct. Am I
not?

438
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:26,159
» So, we can change it I guess and say
necessary software update for continued

439
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,200
operation temperature management
maintenance of county facility. That was

440
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:31,840
the question I had when I was Thank you.
When I was reading it over earlier

441
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:35,279
today, I knew I had a question about one
of these and that was it. So,

442
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:41,120
» okay. With the amendment that says to
perform the necessary software update

443
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:44,320
HVAC control equipment
that good

444
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:51,519
» works for me.
>> Okay. You need a uh

445
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:56,480
» I'll make a motion to adapt with change
>> motion. Commissioner Serb

446
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Commissioner Wily discussion roll call
vote.

447
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Yes.
>> Roger Mayhew.

448
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,519
» Jenny David.
>> Yes.

449
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,440
» Mark Serbrook.
>> Yes.

450
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,320
» Craig Scott.
>> Yes.

451
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:13,800
» Resolution authorizing budget amendment
for sheriff's office older building util

452
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,800
utilities.

453
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,000
» That doesn't need to be tonight. So, we
didn't need to vote. This is just a

454
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,240
budget amendment that is we talked about
the $3500 to supplement what's going to

455
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,240
happen the rest of the year because
we're over budget paying the utilities

456
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:32,800
for the old jail. So, is going to be
done next week.

457
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,000
» Okay. Do we need to talk about it
though? Correct.

458
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:38,159
» Yeah. Take us through this fiscal year.
>> Correct.

459
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,240
» This month.
>> This month. Correct.

460
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:47,119
» Comments.
>> So, the funding is coming out of the new

461
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,040
jail. We're going to
>> It's going from one item to the other

462
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:55,919
because the prior administrator moved
all the utilities in the maintenance

463
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:59,879
budget. So, it's coming out with the
>> correct. Correct.

464
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,280
» You have anything, Commissioner May?
>> Where is it coming from?

465
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,640
» It's coming from a line item from the
sheriff department utilities that's in

466
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,920
with the maintenance building and
grounds. One line item one line item to

467
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,599
another
>> coming out of their own budget.

468
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:21,440
» Right. That's what I wanted to know.
>> Yes.

469
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:26,560
» Commission. This is just another reason
why we need to keep a positive forward

470
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:30,240
motion to get things figured out over
there with the evidence, get the

471
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:36,160
evidence moved, get paperwork, whatever
else between the clerks and that needs

472
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:44,680
to get figured out and get that building
closed down completely closed down.

473
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,680
» Commissioner Scott,

474
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:56,800
» how much to get us through? How much of
this is prior to today and after

475
00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:01,760
» budget that was 1,100 or 1,200
and then but it's probably even more now

476
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,040
because that was in August when we began
to talk about it but the last time I I

477
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,680
don't have my budget
>> I'm looking at another thousand dollar

478
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,000
get through this month.
>> Correct.

479
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,480
» We're using that much power.
>> Correct.

480
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,480
» Okay.
Anything

481
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:26,520
unders sure if I read you sent an email
after our last meeting.

482
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:26,520
» I was hopeful that I found something.

483
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,720
» I misspoke a word.
>> Huh?

484
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:36,800
» I misspoke a word.
>> Yeah. So I I was just looking at the two

485
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:42,960
line items and then Tracy confirmed that
we already handled what I thought I was

486
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:48,400
seeing and so materialize.
>> Yes. earlier. I thought in the winter

487
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:52,560
time the hat was down to like 300.
You went wreck went over there and you

488
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,280
looked and it was down to 300 watts or
something. This for the electric.

489
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Yeah, we were specifically looking at
the electric. I'm not sure what the gas

490
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:07,760
because they there was a DTE bill too
because they had there was some heat

491
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,400
going in there with the circulating
pump. So that's we were thinking was

492
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:17,119
eating up a lot of it. We didn't realize
that there was you now housing in there,

493
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:21,200
» all the utilities, everything. Yeah,
>> it's a little bit more than that because

494
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,359
I know that since I've been here, this
is would be the second budget amendment

495
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:29,839
that I requested.
>> I'm just saying now

496
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,800
it ain't winter. We're paying more
products where

497
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:37,040
» I was trying to keep a really good eye
on when I was doing claims to figure out

498
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:42,960
what that was. And I haven't, in all
honesty, shame on me, I haven't looked

499
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:46,160
at that individual bill for claims. I
start claims this month and I'm going to

500
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,880
be on for the next six months. So you
can, but I'm going to be keeping an eye

501
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,640
on it again.
>> Okay.

502
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,200
» Until we close that place down.
>> I've been doing them and we've been

503
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,560
watching that because I report every
meeting as far as when we do claims how

504
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,760
much it is like the annex building, this
building, and I want to say it's been

505
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,400
running just for the electric. It's been
between 3 and 250 to 350.

506
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,480
» Okay.
So, but that's for everything. All

507
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:14,079
utilities over there,
>> right? That was more than that before.

508
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:18,480
» It was. Yeah. We knocked it after Bre
and I went over there. We Well, when I

509
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:24,316
killed those security lights over there,
that knocked about 90 bucks a month off

510
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,336
the top. Just shutting those down. So,
[clears throat]

511
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:34,079
» okay. Uh, where am I? A resolution to
approve budget amendments for expenses.

512
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,839
So these expenses that we talked about
we do need this past tonight. This is

513
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,119
for the water, the control repairs and
some maintenance items that were over

514
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,680
budget. There's been a lot of things
that have been done and they've been all

515
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,839
coming out of building and grounds
maintenance and to make them whole.

516
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:54,000
There is money to move within line items
and um this would cover the water

517
00:38:51,040 --> 00:39:00,520
testing control
utilities and other line items that were

518
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,520
over budget.

519
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:08,359
I'll make the motion to approve the
resolution.

520
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,359
» Motion Commissioner Serb

521
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:15,839
» support from
Commissioner Wilty, are you going to put

522
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:20,240
this all on the uh
we get on our iPads? What's that form?

523
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,240
Yes. What is that called? Budget
transfer requests. Yes. I I really enjoy

524
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:30,160
seeing those. See where it's coming
from, where it's going. I mean,

525
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,599
» I really do.
that form.

526
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,359
» Okay. Any other questions? Roll call
vote.

527
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,880
» Rder Mayhew.
>> Yeah.

528
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,720
» Jenny David,
>> yes.

529
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:41,359
» Mark Zerbrook,
>> yes.

530
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,960
» Craig Scott,
>> yes.

531
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,640
» Philipsy,
>> yes.

532
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,839
» Resolution to approve threeyear firewall
advanced protection service for

533
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,119
subscription.
>> This is a resolution from the IT

534
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:59,760
director. That's included.
>> Tom. Oh, IT director. Tom.

535
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,760
» Yep. Do you have that included with the
memo?

536
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:10,000
» I don't need this approved tonight.
>> You have anything to talk about here?

537
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:13,760
» Um, just it's a protection for our
network for our firewall. We've had it.

538
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Uh, it's used to be part of the annual
contract resolution, but those kind of

539
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:22,160
went to the wayside a couple years ago,
so now I I bring it to you for approval.

540
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:25,119
But I I source quotes and I try to do
multi-year agreements because you can

541
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,680
see on the pricing when we do a
multi-year agreement, it becomes cheaper

542
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:34,079
per year. Um, so that takes a little bit
of logistical things on my end when I

543
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,240
work with, you know, the administration
on the budget. I have to look ahead and

544
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,760
see what's expiring. And I knew last
year at this time that this was going to

545
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:48,000
expire in September of this year. And
that's the money's budgeted.

546
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:52,640
» Cost is 292149.
>> It's 8,7648

547
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:57,599
for the entire three years, which breaks
down to that annual average. But we pay

548
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,839
it all up front. Oh, we pay for the
three years.

549
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,760
» Correct.
>> Comments, questions? We'll put this on

550
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,359
for next week.
>> Yeah, I understand.

551
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:12,960
» IT director recommendations to purchase
20 computers for replacement.

552
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:18,319
» Um, same thing. Part of the planning
last year for this year's budget was to

553
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:23,920
replace 20 computers. Um, these were
bought right after I started and I

554
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:29,040
sourced four quotes.
Pricing is not getting any cheaper. It's

555
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:32,240
It's unfortunate, but uh I'm asking to
spend the money to replace the 20

556
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,720
computers out of the network software
and hardware line item.

557
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:39,599
» Question for Tom. Tom, what what type of
computers are these?

558
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:45,119
» They're desktop computers,
>> right? But what brand?

559
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:49,920
» Dell Hlet Packard. I s I sourced Dell. I
I asked for quotes. They were slightly

560
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:53,680
higher. One thing, and this is kind of
important to me, the there's no speaker

561
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,760
jack on the back of the computers.
They're all in the front.

562
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:02,880
and comparable hardware and the way some
people have their desktops set up. That

563
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:05,680
was kind of a a thing for me.
>> Okay. Thank you.

564
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:10,000
» You're welcome.
>> Any other comments, questions?

565
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:13,839
» Money is in your budget, right?
>> Yes, it is. There's 38,000 in there

566
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,079
right now. This will leave me with about
2500 at the end by the by with the

567
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:22,720
firewall subscription and the computer
purchase.

568
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,520
» And the hard drives, the the DVD drive
is separate, wasn't it?

569
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,079
» Correct. There's just five of them. One
of the complaints that I get is they

570
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,119
don't build them into a lot of the
towers anymore. So, I'll get a

571
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:36,079
department like the sheriff's office.
They still get video from like Walmart

572
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:39,359
and whatnot on DVD. So, I bought five to
kind of share around type thing.

573
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,880
» Okay.
>> I'm not buying one for every computer.

574
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:48,240
» Well, I see that. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

575
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:52,560
» Any other comments, questions?
RFP for garbage collection and disposal

576
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:58,880
services.
Uh we've talked about this

577
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:04,800
over last couple years. Uh what we saw
when we bid out propane was a huge

578
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:11,920
savings. And want to take a look at
this. Um we have mult we have multiple

579
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:18,240
companies picking up our multiple sites.
This would bring us down to one company

580
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:22,560
and hopefully hopefully a much better
price.

581
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:29,440
So, um,
as you can see, u the different sites,

582
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:34,480
uh, six different, uh, six different
sites that the county has.

583
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:37,520
» Yeah, claims I think it was briefly
briefly at least brought up. I was

584
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,480
shocked seeing the cost from all the
dumpster.

585
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:42,720
» Yeah.
>> Three different companies.

586
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,319
» Yeah. I didn't pay attention to that
aspect. I just seen the cost. They were

587
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:51,119
all individualized. It was It was very
high. I think we definitely need to do

588
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:55,200
it.
>> So, we'll put it out. Uh,

589
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:00,720
» is that dumpster only or is there is
there trash? Is there pickup for any

590
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:06,960
trash? Is there any trash cans?
>> No, this is just just dumpsters at this

591
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:13,760
building, the sheriff's office, RV RV
park, the airport,

592
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:19,920
uh, the transit, the nature park, and
the nature park. So,

593
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:23,839
Uh, recommendations for annex.
Oh, I'm sorry.

594
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:27,680
» I gota just my curiosity got me up.
>> Paint scheme. I see. Did you guys ask

595
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:29,520
for a paint scheme?
>> Do you have something in mind?

596
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,000
» Yeah.
>> Like individualized for each location.

597
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,800
Is that what you're Well, you talked
about wraps and

598
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:41,760
» No, no, no wraps.
>> Well, I saw it says wraps. Oh, well, I

599
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:48,079
mean, we threw it in there, but
>> uh in my experience in my experience,

600
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:52,160
» I I had a number of I had a number of
customers that might have had a blue

601
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,040
pole bar and they'd like to have the
blue the dumpster blue next

602
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,680
» blend in with the surroundings.
>> If like I'll tell you if PFL is the

603
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,680
winner here,
>> it puts green.

604
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:08,319
» I hate that bright green. I hate that
bright green. I don't

605
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:13,359
» Wow. And and you know at my at the
apartments I own I had Billies. I I had

606
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,119
Phillies when Billies was in business.
They were bright red. I hated the bright

607
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:21,440
red. Your shirt looks great. But the
dumpster bright red I didn't like. So I

608
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:24,079
called them up and I says, "Hey, I'd
like to paint my dumpster." Oh, go

609
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:30,640
ahead.
>> So it's a it's more of an olive gray or

610
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:35,119
green. I was just curious as to,
>> you know, we have a we have a Billy's

611
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:39,200
dumpster at the at the uh at the uh
nature,

612
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:44,800
» you know, I mean, it's bright. I mean,
it's an attention getter. And if

613
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:50,480
somebody sees the dumpster, ride up
there and empty their car out. And if

614
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:57,040
they know it's there and it's not near
eyes, next thing you know, there's a

615
00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:02,319
couch sticking out, you know. So, uh,
without having to build a an enclosure

616
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:05,680
around it or something like that, you
know, and of course I drove truck

617
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,720
enough. I hated enclosures because you
had to get out, open a damn door, you

618
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,800
know, but, you know, just painting it
can make a big difference. I was just

619
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,839
curious.
>> So, we looking at cost or we looking at

620
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,680
color?
>> We're looking at cost, but we're

621
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,040
building it into the RFP. We're asking
them

622
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,240
» if they could do it. Well, now you're
willing to

623
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:31,520
» or willing to let us do it.
>> You know, willing to let us do it. Say

624
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:35,040
like the at the at the sheriff's office,
you know, we might want to paint it the

625
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:37,760
color of the wall.
>> This blends in.

626
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:39,920
» Good thought, Commissioner Scott.
Thanks.

627
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:43,440
» And if they want to put a flower on it,
maybe

628
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:47,839
» recommendation for annex rent analysis.
>> As this is talked about and discussed,

629
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:52,480
there's a couple different ways. Um, it
had some recommendations. Tracy pulled

630
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:57,920
some numbers in regard to how much other
things cost in the annex building to do

631
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:02,720
everyday business. And we went by square
foot. You have um some various

632
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:07,680
recommendations for square foot of
usage. This was on an Excel spreadsheet,

633
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:16,480
but Tracy tried to condense it as much
as can so you can see the proposed

634
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:22,720
monthly. If you go to um 24 what we're
paying for 24 square foot 20

635
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:26,800
$20 per square foot and then with all
the amen amenities that are received

636
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,040
there's $30 per square foot at the
bottom.

637
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:35,280
We have some individuals here that rent
space. Do you guys want to come up? You

638
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:40,680
want to give your input? It impacts
whoever whomever is paying rent. Come on

639
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,680
up, guys.

640
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:50,720
So, this is part of the MSU extension.
>> Thanks for coming, guys.

641
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:56,319
» Thank you. Okay.
>> So, um with the rent for the annex

642
00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:00,000
building, um we understand that there's
not been an increase in our rent in

643
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:05,040
eight years and a reassessment is
reasonable. We feel that MSU Extension

644
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,280
values the long-standing partnership
that we've had with Ogma County um

645
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:15,200
supporting fair and transparent cost
evaluations. Um the magnitude of the

646
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:22,800
proposed increase, the proposal increase
from $12,000 annually to $21,000

647
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:28,000
represents a um $9,000 increase, which
would be a 75% increase in a single

648
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,760
year. And that level of increase is
significant and exceeds what we've

649
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,559
reasonably been able to absorb with our
current millillage which was passed in

650
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:41,520
August. So the millage that we passed
was a 0.145 [snorts] millillage and we

651
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:46,800
did not budget for such a high increase
at that time which would then

652
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:50,079
potentially um result in us over the
course of those eight years running out

653
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:55,920
of funds that we have in that millillage
for programming and potentially could

654
00:48:53,119 --> 00:49:01,200
cause us to have to address staffing
during that time. So, the cost per

655
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:07,119
square foot analysis that we saw, um,
the $30 per square foot rate includes an

656
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:12,160
estimation of custodial services at
$41,600.

657
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:17,040
Um, that custodial services is
accounting for five days of custodial

658
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:22,240
services with two individuals working
for two hours per day. And in reality,

659
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:26,319
what we're seeing is two custodial
service members who come to our office

660
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,960
three days a week and they are there for
less than an hour. So that rate, if you

661
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:36,160
do the math and calculate it out, would
be $12,480

662
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:41,680
versus the $41,600 that is listed on
that budget. Um, when we recalculate

663
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:46,000
using that figure with the service
levels, the true rate for square footage

664
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:52,800
for the building with the amenities that
you've listed would be 20,000 or $2010

665
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:58,319
per square foot. And then when we look
at the impact of potentially raising to

666
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:03,280
$30 per square feet, that rate would be
2575

667
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,599
for extension, which would be 30,9900
annually, which would absolutely result

668
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:12,400
in us having to reduce services over the
course of the eight years um and

669
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:16,160
potentially impact our staffing. Um we
would not be able to sustain that over

670
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:21,280
the course of those eight years. So,
what we'd like to request is an

671
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:26,480
incremental adjustment um to get us up
to that $20 a rate um square foot rate,

672
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:30,800
but doing it over the course of time and
allowing us to phase in, which we could

673
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:36,160
then absorb and be able to not have it
impact our programming. Um,

674
00:50:33,994 --> 00:50:41,599
[clears throat] and then I also noticed
that when in the in the budget for the

675
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:46,720
$20 per square foot, it was noted that
there was proposed monthly rent, which

676
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:51,200
is rounded up to the nearest 25 or $50.
So, our rate should have been listed as

677
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:56,000
$1,725,
but it was listed as 1750, which doesn't

678
00:50:54,079 --> 00:51:00,480
sound like much. It's only $25 a month,
but over the course of eight years is

679
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:05,359
$2,400, which is me meaningful for us
with such a tight budget. So, um, in

680
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:09,440
summary, we'd like to just share that
we're committed as a tenant and as a

681
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:13,599
partner of yours, but we would like to
look at this and how we can do this from

682
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,440
a data-driven incremental rent
adjustment that makes sense for everyone

683
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,480
and serves our community and the the
voters that we've had support our

684
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:24,960
village.
>> I just want to say we we serve your

685
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:28,000
public. It's your public that comes into
our office. It's your public that comes

686
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:33,280
in, not just for the extension, but for
all the offices. And um when we have a

687
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:38,720
meeting, it's with your public and and
um we want to be able to serve the

688
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:43,440
public. We're not a for-profit business
sitting there. We're we're servants that

689
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:48,359
are are serving your public.
>> You're really twisting my hair. I'm

690
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:48,359
telling you,

691
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:56,400
» any questions, comments? Mr. S,
>> your proposal on incremental,

692
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:58,319
are you think about spreading that over
three years, five years? What what's

693
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,280
your
>> We would be open to either. We'd be open

694
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,760
to that.
>> So if you if we came back and said,

695
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:11,000
"Okay, over a threeyear time frame,
>> we'd be open to that.

696
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,000
» You could look with that."

697
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,319
» No,
I just know when our bills come due, we

698
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,760
don't get to
>> I mean, we get the RFP. We have done it

699
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,359
in the gas and and they're going to try
it in the trash, but when that bill

700
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:31,200
comes through, we got to pay it.
We don't get

701
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,359
your money.
>> So what are you saying?

702
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:39,280
» Yeah, I'm saying that when our bills
come, do we have to pay them?

703
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:45,119
» Sir, Commissioner Scott,
>> I want to cover the costs of having a

704
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:50,319
building. You know, now you're you're
the total annual cost here. Can I ask

705
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:52,640
85,000?
>> Is that what I'm saying on top line

706
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,920
there?
>> Correct.

707
00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:01,200
» Okay. that was calculated with an
estimate as you see the top our HR

708
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:05,920
financial person did that calculation
>> um and those were obviously estimates to

709
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:10,640
include and you see two different
versions that don't include that and the

710
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:16,079
first per the IT recommendation that
broke up the calculated cost and then at

711
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:20,440
the bottom that would be the different
per square foot cost correct

712
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,599
» anything
looking at

713
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:30,720
» Commissioner.
>> Uh, I appreciate that you guys

714
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,319
understand obviously the reason why
we're here and why we need to increase

715
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,680
our costs. I mean, of course, we we've
got to cover our cost. We've got

716
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,680
maintenance that's going to continue to
happen every year. Um, but you guys are

717
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:45,040
great partners of our you guys know that
I've been a big cheerleader for MSU

718
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,000
extension and all the great things that
you guys do here in the county. So,

719
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:53,440
definitely want to work with you. I
think it's feasible that we can do this.

720
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,440
So yeah, what we're looking at is a
spreadsheet that's got square feet of

721
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,920
usage. It's got the building department,
Avenue Housing, 911 dispatch, and it

722
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:05,119
looks like you guys out of everybody has
the most square footage. Correct. You

723
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,800
agree with that?
>> Okay. Current rate, everybody's been

724
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,079
playing the same, which I don't agree
with. So now we are trying to make it so

725
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,000
it's fair.
>> That makes sense.

726
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:23,280
» Um, current price, it looks like it is
estimated at for you guys $11.65.

727
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:28,400
And according to this, the proposed was
$20 per square feet,

728
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:34,720
but your calculations were different for
>> Oh, according to this, the IT

729
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:40,640
recommendations, it lists at $21,000
annually. Um, the monthly rate was 17 or

730
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:46,480
17167,
which was rounded up to 1750. That's for

731
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:50,720
the $20 rate, which seems reasonable
when I do the adjustment for the actual

732
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,800
custodial cost that you have. I would
also say that the maintenance um

733
00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:00,160
calculation here, which is listed in
your fourth column, is also skewed. Um

734
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:05,040
that's listed as one hour per day, 5
days a week, 52 weeks a year. We do not

735
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:10,079
receive maintenance nor mowing services
at that level. We never have. So, I

736
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:13,920
didn't calculate that in. I just left
that one the same. calculated the

737
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:18,160
custodial services with with what we're
actually receiving for custodial

738
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:22,240
services and that puts us at the $20
rate. So $20 is reasonable to us. $30 is

739
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:29,359
not.
>> I do agree with the you know hearing

740
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:36,079
$1,700 per month for for,30
square feet um is 100% reasonable with

741
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:40,079
year it would be about $21,000
>> per year.

742
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:44,400
Um Tracy, do you want to add anything to
this? on it. No, I just they asked why I

743
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,640
wrote estimated because we don't
remember how much time spends over there

744
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:53,200
repairing anything, mowing, and the
cleaning girls need to be over there a

745
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:55,040
lot. So, we just estimated two hours a
day

746
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:59,200
» and I believe in the last year we've
submitted three tickets for maintenance

747
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,079
in a year's time. Sometimes they're not
submitted through I mean I'm not saying

748
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:06,480
that there over that time but there was
a period of time because um our zoning

749
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,760
director had called there's been some
things that have gone over that they've

750
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,119
gone through emails that have the system
that may have taken I think you needed

751
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,839
you brought it to the attention of some
vents or something.

752
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:21,359
» Yeah. There's mold in the bathroom
>> and there was something up above on the

753
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:24,640
ceiling and then we had um we had to put
ant traps over there for one time

754
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,920
because I walked over there with Chris
to do it. So there's a lot of things

755
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:32,559
that don't go through the system ticket.
Yeah, but definitely not two hours a

756
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:36,559
day, five days a week, all year long.
It's absolutely not.

757
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:42,640
» So you're you're
if if we were to go in this IT thing,

758
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:47,760
it's $60,000 at the end of the year.
It's cost us 85.

759
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:52,000
We're not covering our cost.
Is that is that what I'm reading here?

760
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:56,960
» No, I'm saying it's not costing you at
85. It's actually

761
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:58,799
» Okay. Okay.
Thanks for your opinion.

762
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,400
» There's different
>> Okay. Thanks for your opinion. How much

763
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,280
our building cost?
>> Okay.

764
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:12,640
» Well, I'm trying to be nice about it,
but at the same time, you know, hey, I'm

765
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:17,520
a landlord and I got cost. And the
renter pays for the cost. That's all

766
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:20,960
there is to it. That's business. Okay.
I'm trying to make a buck. We're not

767
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,920
trying to make a buck here. Just like
you said, you're not trying to make a

768
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:30,559
buck. We're not trying to make a buck.
We're trying to pay the pay it off.

769
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:34,400
You're you're you got what what the what
the county here used to do is take out

770
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:44,240
of the general fund and give to you
people. Okay. When we that was that was

771
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:50,319
under $100,000 down around 65 $70,000 at
the time. And when that got cut out by

772
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:55,680
previous commissioners, you guys opted
to go to a to a millillage. your

773
00:57:53,200 --> 00:58:01,599
millillage brought in almost twice the
amount of money that the a lotment was

774
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:07,760
from the county. Now over this course of
time you've been able to spend all that

775
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:12,799
and we should have been raising your
rent all along but we didn't.

776
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:17,280
And now we're talking about it.
>> Our millillage allowed us to reach

777
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:22,000
coordination.
>> Okay. And so now now you're talking

778
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:26,079
about and you're bending my arm around
me saying, "Well, geez, if it's going to

779
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:32,240
cost me this much money, I might have to
cut services and lay off." Can't you cut

780
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:36,400
down square footage use?
>> So then your price would go down if you

781
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:41,280
went. So there's no reason to threaten
me,

782
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:46,799
» with a job, with somebody's job. If you
can just cut the cut the amount of

783
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:52,640
square footage you use, you you're in
you're in other counties in your

784
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:57,359
district, right? But county provides you
more space than any other county does.

785
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,000
» No. Which county has more?
>> They have more space in the Alona office

786
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,119
than we do.
>> I'll check on that.

787
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,280
» And
>> go ahead. This is a negotiation. This

788
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,359
isn't an argument.
>> Oh, no. It's negotiation. Correct. I'm a

789
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,119
little harder core than the rest of
them.

790
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:15,280
» Okay, dear.
>> Thank you.

791
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:19,359
» I just
>> I can recalculate it. If the cleaning

792
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:23,040
girls are really there for an hour a
day,

793
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:28,480
» we'll send them over
>> then we can recalculate that as well.

794
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:32,000
So, the expenses could be adjusted.
>> Yeah.

795
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:37,440
» Can I answer about the square footage?
So, we do have two open office spaces

796
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:41,839
right now. Um, I would like to keep
those if possible for our footprint,

797
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:45,839
which is why we're looking at continuing
to keep the same square footage that we

798
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:50,319
have because we're hoping to hire and
bring new people into this county and to

799
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,960
help service this county. So, that's why
we do have those two vacant spaces at

800
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:56,640
the moment.
>> You know, obviously the public wants

801
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:01,440
your services. They voted on them. They
approved them. But looking at this

802
00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:06,960
realistically wise, I mean,30
square feet for $21,000 per year per

803
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:11,280
rent is pretty cheap.
>> I mean, it really truly is. So, I concur

804
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:16,400
with Commissioner Scott maybe a little
bit differently that highly doubtful

805
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:21,599
that $21,000 covers the cost. I agree
100%. We're not looking to make a

806
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:27,119
dollar. Um, I'm okay with with taking
you to that rate uh and then

807
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:30,240
re-evaluating this on an annual basis. I
mean, just to make sure everybody's

808
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,599
happy, everybody's pleased. That way,
again, issues can be brought forward at

809
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,520
that time, whether you're you're not
happy with something going on with the

810
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:40,480
building. And so, it's it's the way that
uh a rental agreement in my opinion

811
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,359
should work.
>> So, we also made a lot of improvements

812
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,720
over there with our ARPA money that
needed to be done. And I know there's

813
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:51,680
more that probably will need to be done.
So, I mean, this is conversation.

814
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:55,799
So,
there any other comments, questions?

815
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:01,680
Michel say anything?
>> No.

816
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:07,359
» This is, you know, maintenance is one
thing or how long somebody stays order.

817
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:11,040
Like this is a building with full
utilities. You guys are not paying

818
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:16,079
utilities.
You know, you you take a private office

819
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:22,880
space in in town here and I'll bet you
that they're paying their own utilities.

820
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:27,280
You guys, you guys kept air heated in
the winter, air conditioned in the

821
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:28,880
summer. That isn't bad. That's not bad
at all.

822
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,599
» Supplies.
>> And they're nice office.

823
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:36,960
» Supplies are the supplies in this.
Toilet paper, paper, trash bags,

824
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:40,799
» estimate supplies, base, $200 a month,
toilet paper, paper towel, and garbage

825
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,280
bags. And I can tell I do that ordering.
And we go through a lot of garbage bags,

826
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:48,720
toilet paper.
>> You brought that up.

827
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,079
Okay, I think before we make it, this is
conversation. We up till uh we have a

828
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,680
couple a little bit more time to come up
with a decision. We want to hear your

829
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,200
guys' arguments and and estimations and
we may come back to you with more

830
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:00,720
questions.
>> We wanted to hear their discussion, not

831
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:04,400
their arguments, right?
>> Sorry, conversation. Thank you.

832
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:09,280
» We appreciate the partnership with the
county because it helps us to serve the

833
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,400
clientele better.
>> Thank you.

834
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,599
» Absolutely.
>> Thank you.

835
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:16,599
911
>> 911.

836
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:24,400
» Well, I was not aware of this
spreadsheet at all until first thing

837
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:30,880
this morning.
>> Um, so I really haven't had a lot to

838
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:36,640
look it over with the fine tuned code.
Not not what I'm really here for.

839
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:45,440
» What Dorothy and Phil said, 90% I agree
with 100%. um the uh statements of the

840
01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:49,200
cleaning, the maintenance, etc., etc. Um
the one thing I would like to make a

841
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:52,720
mention and to make everybody aware is
there is some issues with the building

842
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:56,319
and I don't know if it's one of the
reasons that the utilities are so out of

843
01:02:54,799 --> 01:03:01,040
whack.
Um there's three furnaces there. Only

844
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:07,520
one is working at the moment moment and
that's the one that services our area.

845
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:12,640
Um, so it is creating the bathrooms, the
kitchen to be ice cold. Uh, and it

846
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:17,839
spreads out to the entire other areas of
the building. They have actually shut

847
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:23,039
the thermostats off and the building is
maintaining in this mid60s. I have no

848
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:29,039
idea why. I'm not a licensed HVAC
company of any nature. Um, we did had

849
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:35,280
had a uh HVAC come into one of our mini
splits in our server room and um

850
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:41,280
showed him around some things and there
may be some concerns with way the HVACs

851
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:45,039
are um being uh the design of the
piping. I'm not sure, but there is some

852
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:51,520
mold up on the ceiling and there's been
some documentation that have been shared

853
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:55,280
prior to. So, um absolutely we're in the
same boat as far as the rent. we it

854
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:02,960
hasn't went up as far as I'm aware since
day one for us. That's not the concern.

855
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:06,880
Um discussions is absolutely key and
like I said, I didn't know anything

856
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:10,880
about this until this morning and I'll
be honest, that's exactly why I stayed

857
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:17,200
after on the other meeting to to listen.
So, uh square foot to square foot get

858
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:24,720
it. I realize that we are a 24-hour
7-day 365 um type of a operation. Uh but

859
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:29,839
cleaning, they don't come into the
dispatch center. They they don't that we

860
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:35,520
clean our own things. We supply our own
cleaning supplies. Um garbage bags,

861
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:40,240
we've also done that. Um yes, the
cleaning ladies come in to the office,

862
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:47,119
take out my garbage or I will take it
into the kitchen, whichever. Um so I'm

863
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:52,160
just like I said, it's it's bound to
happen. We understand that. um just a a

864
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:57,760
fair discussion about it and like I said
I we have a board meeting next week and

865
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:02,160
obviously this is what we kind of have
been waiting for in a sense to work on

866
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:05,520
our budget because we have the same
budget you guys do and we're trying to

867
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:09,440
ascertain what we need to try to set
aside for budget. So

868
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:12,720
» just a question for housekeeping
purposes for us.

869
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:16,079
» Um so I hear that you pay your own
cleaning supplies. Do you buy your own

870
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,319
toilet paper?
>> No,

871
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:21,119
» the county buys that. Just so I
understand. Yep. Absolutely. I just I

872
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,520
just want to be clear.
>> Absolutely.

873
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:30,079
» There's lot to the bathroom. Yeah.
>> And and the paper towel in the

874
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:33,440
dispensers. Yes. We do provide our own
paper towel in our dispatch center for

875
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:37,119
our kitchen.
>> Uh our own dish soap,

876
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,920
» but not the bathroom. We we Okay. I just
want to be clear.

877
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:43,240
» Absolutely. Absolutely. Comments.
Commissioner Sh.

878
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:49,480
» Commissioner May,
>> Commissioner Scott,

879
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:58,240
» Commissioner,
>> um, I'm concerned about hearing about

880
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:01,599
some of these HVAC issues. Can you get
with Chris and building inspectors over

881
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:06,400
there and
>> have them give us a detailed report of

882
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:10,160
what's working, what's not working over
there, and what we need to do.

883
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:15,440
» Were we aware of this?
Um, I know that there's been some

884
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:21,200
statements about the uh climate issue
being not

885
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:25,839
some of the dispatchers like warmer when
they're inside of our building or our

886
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:30,880
center. Some of them like it cooler. Um,
there is a drastic difference when you

887
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:37,039
go from one part of the building into
the dispatch center. Um, but as far as

888
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:42,400
the other furnaces and whatnot that I
was only myself with my HVAC person last

889
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:45,920
week,
>> um, but I do know that the there have

890
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:50,000
been some statements from the cleaning
ladies and the other staff over there as

891
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,599
to the being cold all the time. She
always wears a sweater.

892
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,400
» 62 to 65 degrees on a regular basis.
>> In your dispatch center, you're saying

893
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,000
is where it's warmer? Well, the monitor
has put off heat, correct? I mean,

894
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:04,160
» dispatch center is not much warmer. It's
coming up about 66 to 68. I thought you

895
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:07,520
said it was quite a bit warm. I'm sorry.
The other side of the building where her

896
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:12,079
office is and where the conference room
is. We had a meeting in there a week ago

897
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:15,920
or two weeks ago and I'm like I can't
feel my fingers. I can't feel my toes. I

898
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:20,000
walked over and it was 62 degrees.
>> Yeah. I'm surprised because I I guess I

899
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:24,480
when we're in our 911 meetings and in
our zoning meetings I I don't really

900
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:26,960
notice it but we we are aware of it now.
We'll look into it.

901
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:30,880
» Yeah. I mean, like I said, I mean,
obviously, uh, you got, you know, the

902
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:34,480
different types of lighting, the LEDs,
you know, there's a lot of different

903
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:37,520
things for high efficiency. I just maybe
a study needs to be done by somebody.

904
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,359
Not my
>> electric bill over there is

905
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:45,119
» Oh, I imagine I imagine I know that the
majority of us at on the night shift

906
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:49,039
when I did work nights, we shut as many
lights off as we could just to help. And

907
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,520
uh, you know,
>> and your it looks like your square

908
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,640
footage, which I actually thought would
have been a little bit higher than that,

909
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:58,319
was 8.90. So, I mean,
>> to be honest, I don't I didn't measure.

910
01:07:57,422 --> 01:08:01,599
[laughter]
>> Brian measured for everyone. There was a

911
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,920
payoff a couple weeks. Yeah, there was.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

912
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,680
» No, thank you. There'll be more
discussion. So,

913
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,480
» thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

914
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:14,720
» Uh, and then how housing, you probably
haven't heard from them. Have you heard

915
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:18,640
from them on this? And I don't think And
then the building department, anything

916
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:24,799
from the building department on this?
>> They did the map for us. So, no.

917
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:28,880
Anything to add to this, Tracy?
>> No. Like I said, the estimated ones were

918
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:34,000
just because I did it last night and I
didn't have anybody to talk to besides

919
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:36,960
granting on how many hours, who's where.
So, that's what we estimate.

920
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,880
» Well, this is a good breakdown. So, it's
the first time I've ever seen a

921
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:43,279
breakdown like this.
>> Another thing I would say is we don't um

922
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:48,719
break down the repair and maintenance.
So, if we fix roofs or windows or

923
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:54,400
anything over there, it's all grouped
into one line. And maybe I would suggest

924
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:57,679
we pointed out like we do the utilities
for repair and maintenance. So if you

925
01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:02,080
guys want to keep track for the next
year how much repair and maintenance we

926
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:06,560
put into that building that would be
separated in your budget.

927
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,799
» I think that'd be good for data
purposes.

928
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:13,279
» Only thing I mean I understand and I'm
not a a landlord by any means nor do I

929
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,000
want to be but
>> sure I'm for sale.

930
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:25,040
Um, but I mean our I see breaking that
down, but our job as far as is to

931
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:28,719
maintain that building. I don't see
where that would be beneficial to me and

932
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:33,520
maybe I'm not understanding this
correctly to know how much it cost us to

933
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:37,440
maintain
that section of the department. I mean,

934
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:39,839
as far as utilities and products and
everything else,

935
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,679
» garbage bags, toilet paper.
>> Absolutely. But it wouldn't do me any

936
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:47,600
good to see how much it costs to fix her
window because that's my responsibility,

937
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,000
not hers. Am I Am I not understanding
that?

938
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:52,319
» Because Craig's asking how much does it
cost to keep

939
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:56,159
» I I get that.
>> That would be the only way you could

940
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:01,199
separate that out.
>> Okay. Uh memo from Ross Common for 82nd

941
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:06,480
Court recommendation for proposed
transition of IT services.

942
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:10,400
» Can I ask question? Are we bringing any
question of this up to next meeting

943
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,440
» for the rent?
>> For the rent.

944
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:17,679
» I I guess do you guys want to We have to
make a decision on this. What time frame

945
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:21,520
are you looking at?
I mean, I'm just asking, is there going

946
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:24,960
to be a resolution written for this?
>> When would you like

947
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:30,159
» this plan that we're going with?
>> When would you like to uh have this

948
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:33,440
answer for the budget purposes?
>> Can I make a comment?

949
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:36,560
» Yes.
>> Kind of like, you know, Tracy just said,

950
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:42,000
she just kind of threw that stuff
together last night. Could we just try

951
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:46,960
to get a little bit stronger uh numbers
on some of these costs and then look at

952
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:51,760
this again in two weeks?
>> Sure. My my question was I I don't think

953
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:57,040
I think two weeks is we're pushing it.
Um even on Thursday contracts

954
01:10:54,400 --> 01:11:00,960
» correct even come Thursday next week
next for the meeting next week. I mean

955
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,840
we can put it on unfinished business and
have further discussion.

956
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,440
» There you go.
>> Yep. Absolutely.

957
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:12,400
» That's a good idea. In the meantime, you
I'm asking you guys to still have open

958
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:16,480
communication. I'm a I'm 100% with this
uh 20. What was that? The initial one

959
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,520
there.
>> 20.

960
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:24,040
» Yes, I'm 100% okay with that. Me s
myself personally.

961
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,040
» 20

962
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:30,480
estimated 20
>> square foot. So from 911 we're charged

963
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:37,760
on 20 [laughter]
>> because they use more electricity.

964
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:42,400
Did we did we get any type of a estimate
on what private office space costs?

965
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:47,280
» Well, when I discussed that and I
reached out to some realators, it's

966
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:50,239
really really different across the
board.

967
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:56,480
» And the one thing that um that doesn't
provide utilities and all other things.

968
01:11:53,280 --> 01:12:01,679
So, that's really hard to do. So looking
at doing the comparison,

969
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,800
um, everyone down in our hallway thought
that it would be best to go square foot,

970
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:10,960
right? Yeah.
>> And then incorporate some of those. So

971
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:17,199
we we heard anywhere from uh a,000
square foot from 1,200 to 3,000

972
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:23,120
depending upon location and zip code,
but that didn't include utilities. So

973
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:30,080
based upon rental with utilities u that
includes all of those it's it really

974
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:34,400
different where it's not $1,000.
Well, I mean, there's not like an

975
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:41,120
average out there. Maybe maybe Charlie,
you're on EDC. Do you if somebody from a

976
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:46,800
prospective
>> office renter comes to county, does do

977
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:51,840
we provide that's the EDC provide them
with a average of a range?

978
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,719
» There's certain data like that
>> for commercial residential spaces in

979
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:00,640
Oklahoma County. Yes.
>> I just want to say something real quick.

980
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:05,440
When I did my portion of it, I I did
some online research and it was between

981
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:10,719
$8 and $34 per square foot for class B
office space in various areas. That's

982
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:15,520
how I came up with the number. And 911
was more because they are a 24-hour,

983
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:18,480
7-day a week, 365 day a year operation.
They're the ones that I think are

984
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:23,840
probably primarily using the electric
range that's over there. So, that's

985
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:29,600
where my number come from. And the the
MSU was an increase to the nearest $50

986
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:33,120
to try and keep the $20 and some change
closer together. Others went up 20 to

987
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:39,520
the nearest 25. They went up to the
nearest 50 because it kept that that $20

988
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:43,880
and some change closer together.
>> Okay.

989
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,880
» Two went down in price,

990
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,880
» right? Because they have smaller space,
>> right?

991
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:52,560
» They don't occupy that. And then we I
think we talked about that's why the

992
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,280
thousand dollars for everyone wasn't
equitable.

993
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,400
» So
>> we asked for this to be based on square

994
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:02,960
footage.
>> We asked for a study to take a look at

995
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:06,320
maybe doing square footage
>> and you were given I think it was I

996
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:11,280
forget it was quite some time ago maybe
a month ago it was given an an average

997
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:13,679
of it and then it was requested to bring
something per square foot. It was

998
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,679
» Yeah.
>> Commission just one last quick thing.

999
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:22,480
So, like Tom said, you if you start
thinking about it, and I've been over to

1000
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:31,120
the 911 and the amount of, you know,
electrical equipment that's running

1001
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:34,640
24/7, 365 days a week. I mean, possibly
if we can maybe try to get some stronger

1002
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:39,679
numbers. I don't know. I know Consumers
Energy has full-time employees that can

1003
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:45,520
come in and break down. Maybe that $25
an hour mark is too low for 911.

1004
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:51,360
I mean, that's a lot of electricity
usage and that's never stops 365 days a

1005
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:55,520
year. I think we maybe need to try to
get some little stronger numbers. We're

1006
01:14:53,199 --> 01:15:01,120
kind of we're putting numbers in here
and it kind of just like this, you know.

1007
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:06,280
I know I know that takes time, it takes
data, it takes professionals in order to

1008
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,280
get that information.

1009
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:14,480
» Um, memo from Ros Common for 82nd Court
recommendations for proposed transition

1010
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:20,480
of IT services.
County Administrator controller has sent

1011
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:27,199
there's just a brief description of
removing um the 82nd district and

1012
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:32,239
overcoming the tech services in this
building. The second page is a letter

1013
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:38,000
from her and then the recommendations
for the three-year network.

1014
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,880
» This is no cost to us. This is them
basically taking over their own services

1015
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:48,320
» and the it's stated that um the ongoing
cost to Okam should be subject to review

1016
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:52,640
and agreement between the two.
>> There will be

1017
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:55,199
» is this just the district court or is
this district and circuit court?

1018
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:04,440
» Just district
>> just district on the that that express

1019
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:04,440
thing it said circuit court

1020
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,280
circuit court. Yeah, she's specifically
it's just

1021
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:12,480
» and I saw in her memo it said district
but when I looked at that it said

1022
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:20,239
circuit so I didn't know if
>> it was one or the other or both. So

1023
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:26,400
» just the second thank you
>> comments questions Mr.

1024
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:30,320
What are these invoices for
if there's no cost?

1025
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:35,520
» That was the threeear services that they
received for the ID IT department for

1026
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:38,239
them.
>> This was the installation that they

1027
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,520
would absorb.
>> They're just show us what they're pay

1028
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:47,480
for.
>> That was the absorption of the initial

1029
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,480
cost of the transition.

1030
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:55,679
What's what's our role in this then?
What's our county's role?

1031
01:16:53,360 --> 01:17:01,840
» We have an agreement with shared IT
services and so they're going to take

1032
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:05,239
over the 82nd district court IT services
and then any

1033
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:15,440
it's both courts.
>> Yes. one.

1034
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,760
» Okay, I have it here. The 82nd district
court budget.

1035
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,840
» So to clarify,
>> Daniel, that text message from Danielle

1036
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,080
says Danielle says it's both courts,
circuit and district.

1037
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,320
» Okay. Circuit and district.
>> Thank you, Danielle.

1038
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:38,960
» So I think we'll just bring this back
when we get in the second

1039
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:45,440
anymore.
>> Correct. And if there's any costs that

1040
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:50,880
go between the shared, they come between
both counties to discuss,

1041
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:53,679
» but they're going to absorb the cost of
the initial transition.

1042
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,120
» We're separating
>> question.

1043
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:59,199
» Go ahead.
>> So, did these conversations start when

1044
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:03,920
you guys had a Zoom meeting last Monday?
Is this where this all transpires from?

1045
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:07,520
» Actually, she called me Tuesday. We
didn't talk about this. We talked about

1046
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:10,560
different services that we were one
county was going to do one, one county

1047
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:15,440
was doing the other and [clears throat]
then she contacted me Tuesday and stated

1048
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:19,520
that she had spoken to the chairperson
and the chief judge and that they were

1049
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:22,560
going to do their own.
>> Have you spoke to our IT director in

1050
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:27,120
person about this or
>> in person? No, he's been off this week.

1051
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:33,400
I did send it to him yesterday.
>> I'd like to know what our IT director

1052
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,400
how he feels about this.

1053
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:39,440
What's his role in this? I guess can you
explain this is Roscommen wanting to do

1054
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:45,920
their own thing.
>> So I guess I mean this really isn't even

1055
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:52,320
on the table to discuss this. We can't
argue this or fight this or this is what

1056
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:57,440
the chief judge and the administrator is
sending us notification

1057
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:04,000
» as a recommendation to take to board.
>> This just the two courts, judge Williams

1058
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:07,600
court not involved with this.
You get to keep me.

1059
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:10,480
» Oh, good. Good. I like you.
>> We're one county court. They're two

1060
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,040
counties.
>> Oh. Oh, I see. I see.

1061
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,920
» That makes sense.
>> Are we going to end up with our courts

1062
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,360
over West Commons?
>> We're going to end up what

1063
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:24,800
» with the courts all being in West Common
or

1064
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:30,440
» No, this is this is for the IT
maintenance and transition instead of

1065
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,440
split services.

1066
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,520
No one's
The computers are still going to be

1067
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:44,560
here,
but the services be split and Roscom

1068
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:49,600
the transition on these.
>> And what's our IT guy going to do?

1069
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:53,679
» Well, he does everything else for just
for this. This is for the transition of

1070
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:59,600
the IT.
>> He does ours will still do Okam. They

1071
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:03,840
theirs will just do Rosen.
>> Are you sure? They they would maintain

1072
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:08,239
everything in district court. So
currently right now like Judge Bennett,

1073
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:11,280
Casey Hinckley, Susie Stein, they're
when they log into their computers, they

1074
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:15,360
actually authenticate through Ross
Common County. District Court

1075
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:18,560
authenticates through our servers. All
of that would be transferred to Ross

1076
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:22,400
Common County, which I'm not opposed to.
I I think it's a good move. The one

1077
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:27,679
question that I do have though was
transitioning the phones. I understand

1078
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:32,719
their logic behind this, but the one
thing, so somebody calls the Okamal

1079
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:37,520
County Clerk's office and from what I
understand from this, from what I saw as

1080
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:41,280
of 1:30 yesterday,
you're no longer going to be able to

1081
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:45,199
transfer a call upstairs. You know, we
finally got on the same phone system

1082
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,159
with the sheriff's office and the jail.
You pick up a phone, you dial a

1083
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:52,000
fourdigit extension, you get that
person. That's the [clears throat] one

1084
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:56,239
thing I I question is really just the
phone service. But there's other things

1085
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,320
that I I see that we could do
differently to save money if there is

1086
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:05,199
going to be reoccurring cost. But as far
as working together on the migration,

1087
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:09,960
I'm all for it.
>> Can we work on that?

1088
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,960
» Somewhat correct.

1089
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,960
» I district
and circuit. That's our question right

1090
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:20,400
now. Correct.
>> Circuits maintenance 90% by Ross Common.

1091
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,400
Correct.

1092
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:28,400
Commissioner Scott or Commissioner.
>> So, regarding Tom's concern and I I am

1093
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:33,120
pleased that he seems like this is a
good move all in all and if he does, I

1094
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:37,920
support it. But the whole phone deal is
that I mean to all you guys is that a

1095
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:42,880
big deal not being able to have that
service and if if it is is that

1096
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:47,920
something that we can tweak or
>> it's not my understanding of the phone

1097
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:52,800
and you see in this this IT technology
services I don't see the phone so I need

1098
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:57,360
to clarify that
>> we do get about 10 to 15 calls a day

1099
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:00,560
that we transfer up to them
>> so substantial

1100
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,320
» be
>> so you'd have just say you have to

1101
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,040
follow.
>> We would just have to give them the

1102
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:09,199
phone number, change our
prompt,

1103
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:14,560
» the way you do it.
>> I'm just saying if it's it's worth a

1104
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:19,600
conversation, right, to
>> Mr. Scott, anything?

1105
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:23,440
» It all goes together in one place. So,
we don't have we don't have to have it

1106
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:29,199
just because we're here and they're
there that it can all be done in one.

1107
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:34,480
Heck yeah.
>> You'll clarify. I'd like that on next

1108
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:39,520
Thursday that you this was quite
>> um discuss claim submission for appeal

1109
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:41,199
for sheriff's office. I requested this
to be put on.

1110
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:46,000
» You did?
>> I own it. Uh we were doing claims. I've

1111
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,000
been doing claims now. I think this this
should be my last week or

1112
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,920
» it is.
>> Thank goodness. It's been like six

1113
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,360
months.
>> The next six months.

1114
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:58,159
» Can I can I say from our discussion that
we had some conversations today? We were

1115
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:02,800
reviewing some claims and how we could
do things a little differently and we

1116
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:10,719
noticed one and I already spoke to Paul
about um transit does things uh one way

1117
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:16,880
on the prepaid that saves about
$1,100. Is that correct? $1,100 a year

1118
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:20,080
to the prepaid 11
months

1119
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:25,280
» and we get a substantial discount after
reviewing the sheriffs. They don't. It's

1120
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:30,800
just a very minimal amount. So, we had
spoke about um getting a discount on

1121
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:35,679
that prior to this completely different
than your claims, but still attending

1122
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:38,880
the fuel. So, was going to call on that.
>> It'll help with cost, but from what I

1123
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:45,120
viewed, like last week, I can't remember
if it was 51 or $5,500 in prepaid fuel

1124
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,800
for a month. Like, I guess I
>> a two week period.

1125
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:51,520
» Huh?
>> A month or a twoe period?

1126
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,920
Uh Tracy, are they is it turned in
monthly?

1127
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:59,679
» And the reason why you see the month
prepay is just as Francine just said is

1128
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:05,040
if we pay it by the 10th, that discount
can be taken. Um when I pulled the two

1129
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:09,520
today, Francine and I were looking at it
and I'm like, why is transit so much

1130
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:14,159
such a bigger discount compared to the
sheriff's office when the bill was very

1131
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:19,360
similar? You look at how many gallons
that they were purchasing. So that's why

1132
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:23,440
we asked Paul to look into why
Is that prepay all county vehicles like

1133
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,280
building and zoning that I seen that
bill for or was that just a sheriff's

1134
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,159
office?
>> Sheriff would have been just

1135
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:31,840
» how how does and I have no idea. How
does prepay work?

1136
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:36,960
» Can you can you come up Paul? Sorry.
It'll I'll keep it brief. I'm just

1137
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:42,800
asking like to see $5,100 on gas like
>> Well, I can explain Blue Water Services.

1138
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:46,800
We have uh animal control, the sheriff's
office. Sounds like transit if I'm

1139
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:51,920
correct.
>> Yes. So you have those three. So

1140
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:57,440
utilities can go into the prepaid. So
when Blue Water comes in, in order to

1141
01:24:54,320 --> 01:25:04,000
get the discount, it has to be paid by
that certain date, which Tracy said was

1142
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:09,679
the 10th. [clears throat] So we code it
um our administrative assistant breaks

1143
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:14,560
it down into which
uh department it's assigned to based on

1144
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:19,360
the names that are on there. Then it's
copied put in all the claims forms. The

1145
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:24,159
original bill is placed into the Tuesday
Thursdays where then a check is cut and

1146
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:28,800
set out so it arrives in time to get the
discounts. So the call that Lieutenant

1147
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:33,920
Nsinger made for us today to try to look
at the difference why transit gets a

1148
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:37,840
bigger discount than I. We got a couple
he had to go through three people and

1149
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:42,800
he's got a message out to a fourth. The
three couldn't give us an exact answer.

1150
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,800
It may have to do with fuel load, but
we're waiting for a call back from this

1151
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:49,120
fourth individual that they all referred
to.

1152
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:53,040
» And I think we talked about that. I
think it probably good to be entertain a

1153
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:56,400
contract, right? Is because if we have a
contract to get a bigger discount, at

1154
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:58,239
least it's guaranteed. Doesn't hurt to
ask.

1155
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:02,320
» Yeah,
>> because theirs is substantial compared

1156
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:06,400
to yours, right? I mean, like, and
that's no fault to yours, but when we

1157
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:12,000
looked at it and said your discount is
$6, theirs is very substantial. It's

1158
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:17,199
only a couple hundred for the actual
sheriff's office where I, you know, it's

1159
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:21,760
04, but
>> it would make sense. And that's another

1160
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:25,440
thing as during the conversation, can we
just put that whole blue water bill

1161
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:29,520
together as one
>> and we get that bigger discount because

1162
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:33,760
all the volume of gas is all on one
bill. It's just going to take a little

1163
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:36,480
bit more logistics to break it down. But
>> so I guess when we were what what

1164
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:40,880
sparked my interest is I guess when we
were talking about our budget and and

1165
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:45,040
being over budget and cost and you
brought to us as far as the millillage

1166
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:50,400
and prices going up. You know obviously
fuel is through the roof and I agree

1167
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:56,239
with that 100%. How do you guys monitor
um fuel with cars, Taho, trucks,

1168
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:00,320
whatever it is you have like how do you
monitor that? Does an officer pull up?

1169
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:03,760
Is there a card they they fill their
tank? Do they turn in that that bill

1170
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:07,840
receipt? I don't know.
>> So, they enter codes and they all have a

1171
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:12,400
pin code.
>> That's how the bill is broken down. So,

1172
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:18,320
they go to
primarily

1173
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:24,480
Pacific Pride. They go to Pacific Pride.
>> They fuel up, but they put the card in.

1174
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:30,320
They put their PIN number in. And then
usually they put mileage. But that's all

1175
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:36,080
that's all on that bill. So I'm not sure
what happens to the full bill in the

1176
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:40,159
Tuesday Thursday file but because we
used to include that in one of the

1177
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:45,120
primary like the 101301 we would just
put the entire bill now we just make the

1178
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,639
copies that you see in claims but that
original bill should be somewhere in the

1179
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:51,199
Tuesday Thursday when the checks are
written.

1180
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:56,239
» I just seen a bill that said $5100
prepaid fuel blue friendly whatever you

1181
01:27:53,840 --> 01:28:00,480
just said that's all that I I see. So
initial that and and that's that's it. I

1182
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:04,560
was just wondering how you guys looking
at budget and finances and costs going

1183
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:07,360
up, how you guys are managing cost of
fuel,

1184
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:11,280
» right? And it's as far as monitoring,
you ask about monitoring. You can look

1185
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:15,520
at each individual which cars they're
assigned to and it breaks down how much

1186
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:20,159
they had for that month. And then as far
as for budgeting, I just look at trends,

1187
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:24,320
try to do the best that you can with
trends over the years and then price

1188
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:30,960
inflation that we've seen and come up
with that number for fuel.

1189
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:34,320
Unfortunately, when we get hit with the
current circumstances and fuel goes

1190
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:37,440
through the roof, now we're looking at
overage in that fuel line.

1191
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,880
» I agreed. And when that occurs, like,
okay, how how how often are we filling

1192
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:44,159
our tanks? How many miles are we putting
in? Like, is there any way like that was

1193
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:47,040
just discussion with our strategic
planning, it was kind of brought out

1194
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,920
like cars going in numerous different
directions all over the county, gas

1195
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,199
prices going up, just what are we
looking at at possibly saving some some

1196
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,639
money,
>> right? So it was brought up and then I

1197
01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:00,080
seen that bill and I'm like okay how how
do you guys manage this?

1198
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:04,800
» Yep. So and then like for mileages so
you reference mileage mileage is kept

1199
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:08,320
track of also on daily log reports.
>> So are them log reports handwritten? Are

1200
01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:11,840
they in an Excel spreadsheet? Are they
somewhere?

1201
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:15,760
» So they are not they're electronic. We
have been able to convert those to an

1202
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:21,760
electronic daily log that they download
goes through a review process and then

1203
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:25,679
they're kept on file type of thing. Um,
currently the only mileage that we've

1204
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:29,840
reported to you is part of the vehicle
occasionally on that spreadsheet where

1205
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,400
we update where the mileage is at
>> when you want a new one or where we're

1206
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,000
at with the vehicle fleet.
>> Yeah. Just

1207
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:38,719
» the only time I see that. Okay.
>> Yeah. So, when we update mileage is

1208
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:42,320
whether it's quarterly or when it's
getting that, we'll update that and send

1209
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:44,639
it out.
>> That was my question. Any other

1210
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:50,800
comments, questions?
>> Oh, thank you. If if you if you get

1211
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:55,520
fuel, you use a card.
>> I take you got to have a card.

1212
01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:58,480
» Well, cars are signed per car mostly.
They're in the car.

1213
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,480
» It is a car card then.
>> Car card,

1214
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:06,880
» not an individual card.
>> But your PIN number triggers your name

1215
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:08,400
» to be listed on the purchase on that
card.

1216
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:12,560
» Okay.
>> Yeah. You got the cards assigned to the

1217
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:14,400
cards. That card belongs to the car.
>> Okay. Okay.

1218
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,600
» And your PIN number belongs to you as
the individual.

1219
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,400
» Yeah, I get that.
>> It just I guess my whole point about

1220
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:22,800
seeing when someone I'm sorry when
someone's paying prepaid like it's easy

1221
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:27,280
to
not be so conscientious of things. Does

1222
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:32,639
that make sense? Like not when
something's prepaid I you just pull up

1223
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:38,239
and fill up fill up versus being more
conscientious of it. I I was wondering

1224
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:42,400
how you guys monitor that. Yeah, I do
know that we have occasions of getting

1225
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:48,719
in the car and they're only half filled
and after one or two shifts. So, it

1226
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:53,120
they're not filling it up every day and
that's not always the best practice, but

1227
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:56,719
I can tell you I just experienced it a
couple days ago when I went to get the

1228
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:01,280
marine boat. I got in the truck and it
only had a quarter tank of gas. So, the

1229
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:05,199
first thing I had to do was fill gas up.
>> The second thing was talk to the last

1230
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,880
driver, right? Well, I haven't got to
that yet, but

1231
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,920
» Okay,
>> I gotta get to the seasonals.

1232
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:15,280
» Well, I have a question though. When you
say prepay

1233
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:20,400
that, are you referring to
prepay being labeled as our Tuesday,

1234
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:25,600
Thursday bills? You guys don't put a
bunch of money

1235
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:27,600
on the gas bill and it's prepaid for
them just to go get gas.

1236
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:34,320
» No,
>> it's a Tuesday, Thursday is labeled as a

1237
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:36,080
prepay on claims because Repaint before
we see claims,

1238
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,280
» right?
>> I got it.

1239
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,760
» Okay.
>> Thanks.

1240
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:43,920
» Yep.
>> Discuss. So, we did that. Discuss claims

1241
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:47,040
procedure.
Is that it? That's it, isn't it? No.

1242
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:52,320
» No, but you can stay there because it
kind of it goes to all departments. Um,

1243
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:55,760
I know uh there was there's conversation
there. Some commissioners had asked

1244
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:59,199
because there's a lot of questions of
how maybe we should do planes different.

1245
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,639
You know, we've talked about there's a
lot of different things to do it. Maybe

1246
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:06,560
have a sentence or two.
explains it. What's the difference of

1247
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:11,199
what goes? I know that I've had some
people who do um credit cards are always

1248
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:17,040
hunting down certain people to get the
credit cards before they're I mean so

1249
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:20,400
they can get paid is should we have
policy meet with all the departments

1250
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:23,120
that are affected with that and have
policy or what do you want to see

1251
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:27,199
differently? Because I know there's been
a lot of conversation regarding claims

1252
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:30,320
is like what's the difference between
credit card, what's the difference

1253
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:34,880
between prepay and what's the difference
for that? And what are any suggestions

1254
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:39,679
that do it different? Because there's
it's not just me hearing it is other

1255
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:44,320
departments have said things
>> to do things differently.

1256
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:50,560
» When I first got on commission, I did
two years close

1257
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:56,000
and because I wanted to see what was
spent and how it was spent. And that was

1258
01:32:53,440 --> 01:33:01,600
a big problem I had is there was a lot
of bills were just code the title code

1259
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:06,560
numbers or whatever
>> numbers

1260
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:09,840
the billing from some company they just
>> this shows invoice number.

1261
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:13,679
» Yeah. No descriptor.
>> No description of what product or

1262
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:20,000
service I bought.
>> And so I asked the clerk at that time I

1263
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:24,960
said hey can you put a memo out? All I'm
asking for is a title or I'm not looking

1264
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:30,320
for an essay. You don't have to write
out an essay about what you're buying

1265
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:35,920
it, what it is you're buying, and why
why you're buying it. Just give me

1266
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:41,120
something that tells me what it is. Say
like your department just say you bought

1267
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:47,360
ammunition. You know, now I would know
what a caliber would be, but say they

1268
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:53,360
just had some numbers on there. I would
just ask, "What is this for?" You just

1269
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:59,520
write in ammunition for handguns. That's
all I need. And I would understand. And

1270
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:05,280
and over the years, we've gone back.
Now, a lot of departments, they already

1271
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:09,199
know what the pro product or service is.
So, they just pass it along. And then

1272
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:13,840
when the commissioners see it, we don't
even know what it is. You know, have no

1273
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:17,760
idea. And then sometimes, you know, you
can't even tell by the title of the

1274
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:22,719
company. Well, why don't why don't we
form a it's only fair to the to to them

1275
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:27,120
to form a policy that states exactly
what we want because we seem to revisit

1276
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:32,080
this at least on an annual basis.
I think it just you know on that on that

1277
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:35,199
part of it is a reminder that please
just give us an idea what it is

1278
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,239
» basic
>> if it doesn't say what it is

1279
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:41,280
» basic description of goods or services
provided on that

1280
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:43,040
» I mean if it says paper towels I
understand

1281
01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:45,840
» it's very confusing
>> I know

1282
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:49,360
» this isn't just so I don't think I was
>> no it's not just the shirt

1283
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:54,800
» because we had a good conversation about
>> it's every department out there

1284
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:58,639
» and
>> I had one last specific and it was all

1285
01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:03,040
the internet like I had no idea what you
commissioner sub and I had no idea what

1286
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:07,040
uh what it was. It was a very large
bill. It was like $11,000 money.

1287
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:10,239
» It was a lot anyways and and so we had
to go dig in. I'm like what is this? And

1288
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:15,280
come to find out it was internet. I mean
it would have been something simple but

1289
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:19,760
it wasn't. So
any suggestions?

1290
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:26,000
» Sometimes those companies don't provide
when they when they send the bill out,

1291
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:31,520
they're not even providing it to
whomever gets that bill.

1292
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:35,920
» You know, I've seen those is the actual
bill from your service provider doesn't

1293
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:40,400
really have any breakdown.
>> Have you brought that up in a a meeting,

1294
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:46,719
department head meeting?
>> Can you? The other thing is, you know, I

1295
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:53,440
I I didn't like the idea of credit cards
when that came out. I was boisterous

1296
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:58,239
about that, too. Um, you know, anymore.
I mean, look at look at locally. Retail

1297
01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:03,360
stores closed all over the place because
Amazon's getting all the purchases, you

1298
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:07,920
know. Uh, I was hoping that department
heads and elected officials would take a

1299
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:12,719
look at what they could buy locally
instead of just making it easy to grab a

1300
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:17,360
card, go on a computer, and buy
something. Um,

1301
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:25,040
I'm not saying that we got to spend
more, but I always went on that 10%

1302
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:30,719
rule. was 10% more locally, I'd buy it
because I'm gonna I'm gonna keep

1303
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:35,199
somebody keep somebody working here
on smaller ticket items. Big ticket

1304
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:43,520
items, 10% can make a big difference.
But but I do I spend 95% of my money I

1305
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:48,000
spend within 20 miles.
I don't I don't go to Sam's Club. I

1306
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:55,280
don't go
to those Costco and others. I, you know,

1307
01:36:52,159 --> 01:37:01,119
I'm not for whole family either, but I
just don't. And we got to take care of

1308
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:04,400
the people that that vote for our
villagers.

1309
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:09,760
» One of the big problems is the fact that
most companies now

1310
01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:13,840
you either pay by credit card or too
bad, so sad, they won't do a 30-day net

1311
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:16,960
like they used to.
>> Yeah, that's true. you know, I mean,

1312
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:20,080
it's just
>> we're we're turning into a castless

1313
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,400
society.
>> I think it's only fair for the

1314
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:26,239
department heads and elected officials
to know the expectations. So, Francine

1315
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:31,880
will bring it up at the meeting and
we'll go from there. And I think I'm

1316
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,880
done with claims. Thank goodness.

1317
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:39,600
» Thanks, P.
>> I'm done yet. Am I

1318
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:44,560
» But I miss claims
>> the one the one that she just handed

1319
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:47,440
out. It would be it would be um after
our budget meeting today, we had

1320
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:51,520
conversation and wanted to put this on
the agenda tonight um to in order to

1321
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:56,080
make full
>> full budget

1322
01:37:52,320 --> 01:38:00,719
» the um overtime that is over budget and
to last until the end of the fiscal

1323
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:05,119
year.
>> Where is this coming from?

1324
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:11,119
» Within the same 259. It's being
transferred from workers comp

1325
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:16,960
» going into overtime. uh overtime
currently $5,600

1326
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:25,400
over transferring eight. That's going to
be the milestone to reach get us to

1327
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,400
September 31st.

1328
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:30,400
» 30. Yeah. See, I asked somebody said 31
31.

1329
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:36,080
» So, how was that workman's comp
insurance? How was it so far over

1330
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:41,440
projection? I think we beat this up and
we're not really sure where the

1331
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:46,719
calculation was was messed up on that.
Um, and then there's been some

1332
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:50,800
» I think it was the number of employees
from the jail that was still being

1333
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:53,199
calculated in there even to the next
fiscal year. That's the only thing we

1334
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:57,600
can come up with.
>> That's a different

1335
01:38:55,679 --> 01:39:01,199
» Sorry, that was the other fund we took
out. Sorry.

1336
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:05,840
» All everybody's working comp was little
over inflation in every budget. I that

1337
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:09,040
was a calculation that Tim did with this
spreadsheet

1338
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:12,080
and
it seems to be high in every budget.

1339
01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:16,239
» So,
>> not everybody has big of a bill like

1340
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:20,719
» I mean it's great that you found it in
your own budget. I guess we had talked

1341
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:24,159
in a strategic planning meeting uh the
sheriff uh commissioner Mayhew and

1342
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:28,400
myself and we had discussed the overtime
trying to come up with a plan and his

1343
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:32,800
the what sheriff brought to the table
was cutting the four hours of overtime.

1344
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:35,600
Has that happened?
So it did not happen because when you

1345
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,920
left that meeting you said that's what
you were doing.

1346
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:48,960
» There has been some flex time that is
being used currently to help try to get

1347
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:54,960
us to the the end milestone.
Um as far as shift fills

1348
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:58,560
and correct me if I'm wrong but
on the one day shift they're still

1349
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:03,520
getting a four their fourhour day. So
there are some 4-hour days on the one

1350
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:06,639
day shift that are I say eight hours.
>> That was the only idea that that was

1351
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:10,560
brought to in that meeting that the only
meeting that I participated in that was

1352
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:13,840
the only idea that was brought was
cutting four hours and when I left that

1353
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:16,719
meeting that's what was going to happen.
That's the last I knew. So this is very

1354
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:21,920
surprising to me.
>> Well it went over to the 5,000 and this

1355
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:26,159
is the solution doing some of the
numbers to give us the end number

1356
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:30,159
transferring that 8,000.
So then does that take care of the over

1357
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:34,320
what what's the plan for next year? Do
we just budget more for the overtime? Is

1358
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:37,679
there a plan to attempt to decrease it?
Is

1359
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:42,800
are we keeping the four hours of
overtime or I guess

1360
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:47,440
» think we were going to budget 90?
>> Well, the original request was 90,000

1361
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:52,000
and that would be status quo with the
operations.

1362
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:54,000
That was what was originally requested.
So

1363
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:59,280
» $90,000 of overtime.
>> Yeah. for the the budget that was

1364
01:40:57,199 --> 01:41:01,199
proposed.
>> Can I make a comment?

1365
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:06,560
» Go ahead.
So, we talked about this at the law

1366
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:10,480
enforcement meeting today and uh
basically what I was told today at the

1367
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:18,880
law enforcement meeting, we were told
that in order for the sheriff department

1368
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:23,840
to maintain 247 coverage
with everyone

1369
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:31,040
healthy and working,
they need $90,000. $90,000 is what

1370
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:36,639
they're requesting for overtime.
I was told that if they had the $90,000

1371
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:44,040
request and again if everyone was
healthy, the 247 road coverage would

1372
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:44,040
happen. Correct.

1373
01:41:47,679 --> 01:41:55,119
And this year, fiscal year 26 with this
adjustment

1374
01:41:52,639 --> 01:42:01,360
and obviously we still have 20ome days,
but we probably looking just north of

1375
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:04,400
$82,000. What? school year 26
>> be 82 or less.

1376
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:08,639
» 82. Yeah, right around 82.
>> 82 is what the the number is with the

1377
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:13,360
transfer.
>> We're going to make 82 happen.

1378
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:17,199
» Well, that's that's the goal.
>> Goal is to get there.

1379
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:20,320
» But I can say just because we've
>> try to save

1380
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:25,040
» we've looked at
>> that's not true.

1381
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:30,320
» This is the only place they can take it
from and we they've exhausted every

1382
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:36,239
other thing. We talked in length this is
the only place they can take for so for

1383
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:39,560
the rest of the year and they calculated
the 8,000

1384
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:48,480
» and what's requested next year. So this
year we're with these budget so I'm

1385
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:52,960
understanding because again this is I
knew nothing about this

1386
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:56,880
this year the overtime if all goes as
planned we approve this the overtime is

1387
01:42:54,719 --> 01:43:00,480
going to be $82,000.
82 would be the max is what the goal

1388
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:03,679
line is.
>> And then next year with no strategic

1389
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:07,199
planning, our meetings that were
supposed to happen, it's it's requested

1390
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:12,320
for $90,000.
>> There'll be a wage increase in between.

1391
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:15,040
» You're right. You're right. As there
should be.

1392
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:19,199
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1393
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:24,480
Again, I'm very glad that you found it
um in your own budget,

1394
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:28,000
but next year that's not going to be
there.

1395
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,920
But we're going to budget for the
$90,000.

1396
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:36,400
Am I understanding this correctly?
>> We budget for the 90,000. We'd have less

1397
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,960
» approve the budget
>> if it was

1398
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:43,719
» that's what's being proposed.
>> That's the request.

1399
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:43,719
» That's the request. Correct.

1400
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:50,400
» Thanks, Paul. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

1401
01:43:49,121 --> 01:43:53,400
[clears throat]
Anything

1402
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,440
else on that?

1403
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:10,080
Come on up.
>> Hi everyone.

1404
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:17,280
» Um just looking for discussion as much
as uh one could be had at the moment. um

1405
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:20,719
but seeking approval to uh formally
bring in a forensic audit on something

1406
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:28,080
that I've been working on for the last
couple of months. The estimate that I

1407
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:31,840
received today is $25,000
>> question. Go ahead.

1408
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:36,719
» How how soon would this audit be able to
take place?

1409
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:41,280
» Within the next few days it could begin.
>> Is there a chance that this audit I

1410
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:48,360
don't got can only say so much. there's
a chance that we could try to get

1411
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:48,360
recompensated for this $25,000

1412
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:55,679
» that I I don't think that I should
answer.

1413
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:59,679
» Well, that I need I need to know that.
>> Well, from a legality standpoint, she

1414
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:02,880
may not be able to answer that.
>> Well,

1415
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:06,880
at this time,
>> I I would be happy to answer your

1416
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:11,280
question outside of an open meeting.
Well,

1417
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:14,880
» then we may have close session.
I think that's important. That's a lot.

1418
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:18,560
It's $25,000.
>> Where are we going to get $25,000? Where

1419
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:23,520
you're the treasur the money. Where do
you want to get the $25,000?

1420
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:27,760
» So, it could come out of not doing the
BSNA.

1421
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:32,159
» Um, so we have contingency and lawsuits.
We'd have to juggle some money in

1422
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:37,920
between the two that we have money that
hasn't been allocated yet.

1423
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:41,199
» We still have some contingency. We do
not much, but we'd have to budget

1424
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:44,480
between those two jail numbers.
>> And this forensic is being recommended,

1425
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:49,760
correct?
>> Yes.

1426
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:53,000
» Are you allowed to say by whom?
>> I'm asking.

1427
01:45:53,600 --> 01:46:02,480
» Um, Michigan State Police.
Mr. Scott.

1428
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:06,560
Uh I don't
Are we voting on that tonight?

1429
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:13,280
Is that what we're doing?
>> It it was the request because it just

1430
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:18,639
came today of the urgency to begin.
>> So a vote a vote would have to be taken.

1431
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:22,080
» Right.
>> I said if we put it on we can vote next

1432
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:24,960
week or
>> isn't this a discussion? We should have

1433
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:26,639
a close session. I've got a lot of
questions.

1434
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:31,119
» You have to be very cautious with close
session there. You have to be very

1435
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:36,320
cautious. with close session as well.
>> This is something that our legal Matt,

1436
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:39,880
you're on the phone. Can you
voice your opinion?

1437
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:46,360
» You're muted.
>> I got to let him unmute first. Jenny,

1438
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:53,040
» there you go. Matt,
>> can you hear me?

1439
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:57,679
» Yes.
>> Okay. Um, the question is, can you go

1440
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:01,760
into close session right now to discuss
this? Um, I guess I know there's a fine

1441
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:05,679
line with closed session right now that
we have the treasurer sitting in front

1442
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:10,159
of us ask requesting for a forensic
audit. Is this something that should be

1443
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:14,239
uh discussed in close session?
>> The only allowable basis would be on the

1444
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:18,400
on a written attorney client privilege
legal opinion providing you with some

1445
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,520
background on the situation which we
could prepare. I'd have to put that

1446
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:26,000
together before your next meeting if you
wanted to do it that way.

1447
01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:30,000
» Are you okay holding off on this? What's
the urgency of this forensic audit? or

1448
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:34,800
do you want do you require a vote
tonight? That is up to you all. I'm I'm

1449
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:38,239
looking for your recommendations. We
don't know the situation. I know bits

1450
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:44,320
and pieces of the situation, but I'm
asking you your professional opinion. To

1451
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:48,800
me, the sooner the better.
>> I completely understand the sooner the

1452
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:55,280
better. But this is $25,000 of possible
taxpayer money. We can wait a week to

1453
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:59,119
try to get more information from legal
because again

1454
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:04,320
I'll stop there
>> that from a liability standpoint our job

1455
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:07,719
is also to protect the county. So
Commissioner Scott

1456
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:17,760
» we got to get it done. We got to get it
done.

1457
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:23,960
Commissioner S,
>> I'd like to refer to the go and get

1458
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,960
advice.

1459
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:28,960
» Okay. Thanks. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1460
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,639
» Can you prepare that, Matt, by next
Thursday?

1461
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:36,080
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1462
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:40,560
Uh, budget audit commissioner comments.
We do have a close session

1463
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:44,719
with it yet. What's that?
>> Administrator has nothing else.

1464
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,639
» She has nothing. I thought you you
brought this, didn't you?

1465
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:49,600
» No,
>> don't.

1466
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:53,840
» I just added two. One was the budget
amendment for the sheriff's office.

1467
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:58,239
» The other one was the addit.
>> Commissioner comments. Commissioner or

1468
01:48:55,520 --> 01:49:02,199
Commissioner Scott. Jeez.
>> Comments.

1469
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:02,199
» Um,

1470
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:11,520
» comments, not reports. Also,
>> Commissioner Mayoo,

1471
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:15,199
» the only thing I got is uh
>> comment.

1472
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:20,560
» The committee on aging is looking for
somebody to help them do their update

1473
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:27,520
their bylaws and they can't get any
insurance or lawyer to take it.

1474
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:29,840
So, they're looking for some help.
>> Well, maybe Matt will help them,

1475
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:33,280
» huh?
>> Maybe Matt will.

1476
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:36,400
» Commissioner Sir,
>> no.

1477
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:39,760
Uh, administrator, any comments?
>> I do not. Thank you. Uh,

1478
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:42,560
» I had a just two questions for you. The
emergency manager RFP, when when is

1479
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,960
that?
>> September 23rd.

1480
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:48,480
» The other one is the master plan. Is
that the same? September 23rd.

1481
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:53,600
» That was extended. Uh, Ryan extended it
another month. So, um, I'll have to get

1482
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:56,560
the date on that. I have it on the
calendar, but it was extended a month.

1483
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:57,360
» Okay.
>> Question.

1484
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:01,280
» Go ahead.
>> Your questions made me think of this

1485
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:04,639
question. Were we doing RFP for that
possible masonary work? It sounded like,

1486
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:07,840
you know, we could run into some
problems if we don't get on that.

1487
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:10,159
Remember that masonary work in the back
that was brought to our attention,

1488
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:13,920
» the one outside? Yeah,
>> we actually just talked to someone else

1489
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:19,119
about that of trying to get the quote to
even get started for that. And we had um

1490
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:23,119
Brian looked at it to do that. So
>> Brian, our inspector,

1491
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:26,560
» I'll recircle with him, but we just
talked about it. Someone came in and

1492
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:33,199
asked about
um snow and they did some masonary work.

1493
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:36,400
So, um, we got their contact information
because it's going to refer to somebody

1494
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:40,960
so we could get started to even know
what we need for because structurally we

1495
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:44,000
don't know if it's structurally we don't
know what the RFP can include,

1496
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:47,600
» right? Okay. Thank you.
>> I got a question though.

1497
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:50,560
» I'm sorry.
>> Don't be sorry. Go ahead.

1498
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:53,520
» You just brought up snow. Are we still
under contract with our contractor for

1499
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,880
this year?
>> Thought of that too when you just said

1500
01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:02,800
it. Or you just brought up snow.
>> You You may not know. Um my

1501
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:07,199
understanding we are not and so that
sparked conversation when this gentleman

1502
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:09,360
stopped by to do an RFP for that as
well. Okay.

1503
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:11,600
» We need to get that out for our feed
normal.

1504
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:14,080
» We're about two months behind.
>> I know. I know. We should just be able

1505
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:18,080
to
>> to carbon copy what we've been putting

1506
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:22,880
out. We haven't had any Oh, we did want
to add to it um

1507
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:27,440
removal because our own uh employees are
shoveling sidewalks for that amount of

1508
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:32,480
money. remember
>> anyone is shoveling their own area.

1509
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:35,679
» Um,
>> sidewalks.

1510
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:38,800
» Sidewalks. Typically, they do not get
done very often.

1511
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:46,159
» And Chris does some shoveling, too. And
we pay a lot of money.

1512
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:51,599
» Include anything else?
>> Okay. No, please.

1513
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:55,599
» Now's the time because it's coming.
>> Yes.

1514
01:51:53,840 --> 01:52:00,400
I'm surprised the contractor has to
contact us because they usually want

1515
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:04,080
have an idea when they have to buy sold.
>> Well, yeah, some independent contractors

1516
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:06,880
stopped by and actually asked the
question, which was a great

1517
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:11,760
conversation.
>> Okay, public comment. Any public comment

1518
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:15,719
in the room?
Any public comment on the phone?

1519
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:25,239
» Where is that language? Uh,
close session pursuit to MCL15.2681H

1520
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:31,920
to consider a written attorney client
privilege legal opinion from the county

1521
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:37,360
attorney dated August 31st, 2026. I move
that the board enter in a close session

1522
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:40,719
pursuit to MCL 15.2681H
to considerate a written attorney client

1523
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:45,280
privilege legal opinion from the county
attorney dated October 31st, 2026 and

1524
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:50,480
that the court representatives be
invited to attend the close session.

1525
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:55,599
August 31st.
>> Well, August 31st. I'm sorry. What did I

1526
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:58,880
August 31st, 2026.
>> I have a motion with support. Any

1527
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:02,560
discussion? Is there going to be a
business after

1528
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:05,679
» adjournment?
>> Okay. So, just so the public we always

1529
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:09,840
let them know. So,
>> this

1530
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:11,360
motion uh roll call vote. Mark Sir,
>> yes.

1531
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:12,480
» Roger Mayo,
>> yes.

1532
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:13,599
» Jenny David,
>> yes.

1533
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,719
» Craig Scott,
>> yes.

1534
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,880
» Charles W.
>> Yes.

1535
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,119
We have a motion to go into close
session. I believe judge you're stating

1536
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:24,159
for this
>> and we have something on the phone.

1537
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:27,159
» Okay. Yes, please.
>> Take

1538
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:43,239
your

1539
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:52,400
Make motion to adjurnn.
>> Bet.

1540
01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:56,080
» We have a motion with support to
adjurnn. All in favor?

1541
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,480
» Opposed? Motion carries. We're
adjourned.

1542
01:53:56,639 --> 01:54:01,960
» Good night, everyone.
>> Here's your choice.