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>> What are you looking at? What do you

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» Oh my god.

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>> All right, we got six o'clock. Everybody

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>> Anybody not ready?

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>> Let's do this.

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>> Let's call the Ogalsby City Council

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meeting to order. Roll call, please.

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>> Baldridge,

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>> here.

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>> Cullinin,

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>> here.

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>> McDermott

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>> Moy,

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>> here. Currin,

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>> here. Before we do the pledge of

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allegiance, I'm told we might have a

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modification to the agenda. that

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>> yeah go ahead to modify the agenda by

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placing the mayor's report as number one

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item. The second item will be the going

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into executive session. The third item

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will be asking to table the uh thing

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that I had on there. I guess I don't

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know where that came from or who put it

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on there but I don't the GTI information

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>> What GTI information? Where is it at?

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>> I had on there. someone put on there for

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me to discuss about GTI and the rate

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>> Do you have a different agenda?

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>> No, I don't I don't see that on my

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>> Which number do you have?

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>> because I don't see one on it.

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draft one. Is is there is there a need

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to go into executive session for one of

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our items prior to because I hate to

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>> Which which one do you want to go into

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executive session for so I can read off

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the correct one if we do move it?

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bargaining or performance discipline?

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move the mayor's report up

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and let's do them as separate motions

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then. Um, so you want to make is that

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mayor's report up as the next item.

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the mayor's report up and to move one of

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>> You want mayor's report first, I guess.

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first. Can we do the pledge first? Let's

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stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Okay. Um, mayor's report. Uh, first

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thing I want to do is I wanted to thank

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the electric department. um they had a

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relatively large outage. Um and not only

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do they always do a great job, but I

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just wanted to say this is one of the

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advantages of of our small community

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that we have here. Not saying that Amron

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doesn't do a great job with their

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technicians and and things like that,

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but when you have a small community

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here, our people are not only they're

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more than just technicians. They're

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friends, their family, their relatives,

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um neighbors of people. So, they always

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work super hard for that and I

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appreciate that. Uh the other thing I

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specifically had four residents that

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called in to give thanks for that and I

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really appreciate that because it is so

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rare that we can uh get that kind of

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recognition for usually the kind of

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things that we get feedback on is is

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usually things of a negative nature. So

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I really appreciate that. And the le the last thing I want to get which is

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really weird to talk about as the first

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thing I wanted to talk a little bit

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about uh 2026.

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like that, uh, at church, I there was a thing that somebody talked

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about with, uh, don't let people steal

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your joy. Um, and and giving it away.

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there's about four or five people

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locally that that give me a hard time

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and about half a dozen na nationally.

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planet. That's not a bad number. So,

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2026 is filled with a lot of good things

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that we have. Ogalsby is one of the best

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places to live. Um, there is so much

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good that we have on the horizon. and

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some of it's long-term like for example

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the thousand acres that's about to

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develop around us here uh with uh with

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the state parks that's going to be a

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huge economic boom to the city that's

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probably years away. We got another

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possible one that I'm hoping we're going

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to be able to announce in several months

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if it's going to happen or not. That'll

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be a big one. And I have another one

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here in about a month that hopefully

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within a month that we'll be able to

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talk about here. Um there's a lot of

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great things on the horizon uh for

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Oglesby. So um be part of of giving that

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joy to other people. We have a lot of

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great organizations in the city, uh,

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volunteer organizations, things that

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people were part of, people that are

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people volunteering to be coaches,

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whatever it is. There's a lot of great

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ways to give back to our community and

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to be part of all the great things that

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we have here. It's still one of the best

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places to live. So, uh, that's really

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all I had. So, kind of a weird thing to

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sessions for

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the employment compensation, discipline,

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performance, or dismissal of specific

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employees 5CS120/2C1.

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session for that specific item?

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>> Motion to enter executive session.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Roll call, please.

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>> Uh, Curtain.

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delay. Um I'm not sure how long we'll be

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in there. So we'll be back out and

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obviously we got a full agenda to do. So

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» Pat, I got a question for you. If we had

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them right now then, too?

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>> So, we still could do the other one at

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the end.

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I was in bed before the midnight hour.

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There's still a few people here.

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We didn't put the We didn't put the

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» There was music.

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>> we're back in open session. Roll call,

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>> Sorry. Uh Baldridge

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>> Cullinin

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>> McDermott [clears throat]

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>> Moy

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>> here.

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>> Curran

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>> here. All right. I apologize about that

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everybody. Uh number four, uh public

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comment on agenda items only,

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>> please.

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>> mayor, before I start, I'd like to ask

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I've done a lot of research on this.

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>> Can you pull your Can you pull the mic

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thing close to you? That way people can

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hear you. No, the the button button

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underneath.

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>> I watch everybody struggle with

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[laughter]

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» Sorry, what did you say? Go ahead.

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>> I I just want to before I start, I I'd

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like to ask that you let me complete

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what I have to say. I'm not sure what

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the time is limit. It's It's not

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lengthy, but I just would hate to be

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interrupted.

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>> So, what I usually do is after five

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minutes have elapsed, I'll say, "Ma'am,

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your five minutes has elapsed if you

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could wrap up or summarize." So, I will

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try not to interrupt you before that.

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>> I thought it was three minutes. I'm not

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going to go.

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>> You're good to go.

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>> Okay. So, first of all, I want to know

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I'm going to I'm going to give you a

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little bit of history because I think

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um my point. Um I I'm addressing uh I

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believe that is Do you have an agenda

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number nine?

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Well, there's there's five items in

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>> Here you go.

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>> The inspectors.

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>> Yes. Okay.

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>> Discussion and possible action on

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ordinance returning building and

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electrical inspectors to the electric

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commissioner. First of all, I'd like to

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point out that that is incorrect. I, as

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you know, am city clerk, have been city

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clerk um and have been involved with the

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[clears throat] city for um about 14

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years. And to my knowledge and based on

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the research that I have done, the

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inspectors have always been under the um

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guidance of the mayor, not the the

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building or the electrical commissioner

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at all. And that did change in 2023

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when Commissioner Stephanelli came

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aboard and his expertise made it sense

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to uh to shift it to accounts and

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finance.

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So um in 1913

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Oglesby adopted the commission form of

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government and established five areas of

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oversight. Public affairs, public

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safety, streets and improvements,

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accounts and finances and public

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property for more than 75 years. Those

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ordinances that established their roles

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of those positions went unchanged. I

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think in 1975 there was an addition

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computers became important and

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commissioner um Corless uh was granted

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uh oversight over computers as they

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brought them into the city. Um, so for

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more than 75 years,

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nothing really changed.

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In 2019,

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the new council's first action was to

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rewrite commissioner roles based on the

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commissioner's self-proclaimed strengths

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and personal agendas. They would later

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alter these roles six times in four

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years. I think most will agree that is

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not good government.

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The current council made their own

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changes in May of 2023, which seemed to

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restore most of the original roles with

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a few changes that basically distributed

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some of the public affairs

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responsibilities which the mayor

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typically oversees to others. At the

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time, I felt this was the reset the city

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needed to restore professionalism and

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civility to the council. And that's when

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this council said, "Hold my beer."

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This council, more than any other

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council in the past, has demanded

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autonomy in their areas of oversight.

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This was all well and good until

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recently with what I understand has been

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no meaningful discussions with the

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people involved in code enforcement. Two

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commissioners proposed shifting the

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responsibility of code enforcement from

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accounts and finance commissioner

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Cullinin to public property commissioner

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Baldridge.

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My question to you, Commissioner

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Baldridge and No, what's changed?

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Commissioner Baldridge, I believe that

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you said at the last meeting that your

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experience as a concrete finisher makes

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you more knowledgeable about

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construction and more qualified than

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Commissioner Cullinan to be over the

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inspectors.

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I'd like to say that first there are

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very few examples of Oglesby elected

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officials who are truly qualified for

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the roles that they assume. It is

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unrealistic to think that commissioners

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have to be skilled in the everyday

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operations of their departments. That's

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what city employees and professionals

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like engineers and auditors and um

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attorneys, that's what they bring to the

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table.

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So, I don't I I I think if you could

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look at yourselves and ask, "Am I really

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qualified to be the uh the the head of

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an electric department, a 2.3 million

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dollar enterprise? What in my personal

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experience does that or am I really

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qualified to oversee a police department

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and and manage the day-to-day

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activities?" And I think the answer to

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that is no. Second, I'm curious as to

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why both of the commissioners saying

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Cullinin's interest and involvement in

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local politics was more important than

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that candidate's credentials and

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experience in that field.

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I also see this change as a blow to

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employee morale. No employee should have

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to answer to two commissioners when it

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comes to their daily duties. Handing

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this authority over to the commissioner

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of public property is effectively

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creating a situation in which the

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inspectors, the city clerk's office, and

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the police department will be under the

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control of two commissioners.

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Last but not least, in the short time

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that Austin has been a commissioner, he

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has presented himself as someone who

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makes decisions based on best practices

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and what's truly in the best interest

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for the city and its residents. He does

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his research. His decisions are

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fact-based and fair. In my time spent

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with Austin, when he was presented with

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any possible situation requiring

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enforcement, his first question to me

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always was, "What does code say?" He

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didn't ask who made the complaint, and

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he didn't ask whose property, who owned

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the property. He wanted to know what the

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code said and how we address it. That's

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not always been true. I could rattle off

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the halfozen instances when in the last

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two years politics entered into

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enforcement decisions.

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As someone who is part of the process of

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writing the land development code, who

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served at the zoning administrator, and

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who firmly believes in maintaining the

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quality of our neighborhoods, I ask you

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to vote no. This change does not benefit

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the citizens of Bulglesby. And honestly,

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I think it's political bullying and

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power grabbing.

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Commissioner McDermott.

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>> Yes, ma'am.

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>> I'm going to specifically ask you to

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consider your vote. I'm not sure that

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you truly understand the power that

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[clears throat] you have right now.

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I ask you to ask yourself how this

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change benefits the residents of

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Oglesby. Please co keep code enforcement

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free from politics and personal agendas.

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If you believe that maintaining

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properties should be a priority, then

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rather than vote for this ordinance,

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support the building inspectors, city

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clerk's office, and the police

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department by allowing them to do their

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jobs.

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>> Thank you.

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Appreciate that.

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>> Are there any other public comments on

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agenda items only?

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>> Seeing none, we'll move on. Number five,

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approve minutes from the December 15th,

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2025 regular meeting. If there's no

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additions, corrections, or

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modifications, can I get a motion to

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approve the minutes?

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Uh, if we're not going to approve the

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minutes, do we need to table them?

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Is everybody exhausted because we had an

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executive session before?

446
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I need to either table something.

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>> I'll make a motion that we table them.

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>> Second.

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>> Okay, we're tableabling minutes. Uh,

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roll call, please.

451
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>> Aldrich.

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>> Hi.

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>> Colin.

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>> I. McDermott

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>> I

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>> Moy

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>> I

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>> Curran

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>> I not sure what we're tableling but okay

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six approve minutes from the October 6th

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October 20th November 17th December 1st

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and December 15th 2025 executive session

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if there's no additions corrections or

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modifications. Can I get a motion to

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approve the executive session minutes?

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>> I apologize but I've yet to be able to

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those and take notice of them. Uh I did

468
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put it on the agenda for an alternative

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solution possibly. Okay.

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>> Um, for that reason, I would like to

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table the passage of the minutes.

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>> I'll second [clears throat] that.

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>> All right. More than one person feels

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they need to table them.

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>> I get a motion to uh approve tableling.

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>> Baldridge.

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>> I sorry. Roll call. I'm sorry.

478
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>> Calvin.

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>> I.

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>> McDermott.

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>> I.

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>> Moy.

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>> I.

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>> Currin.

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>> I.

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>> Number seven. Approve bills presented

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for payment in the amount of

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1,430,535.90.

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If there's no additions, corrections, or

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modifications, can we get a motion to

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approve the build? I imagine you're

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going to explain.

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>> Yeah. So, it's a viscering payment. Um,

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the way the loan works uh is basically

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that we pay visering and then we get the

496
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loan dispersed back to us from um the

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IEPA. So, um that's kind of an odd

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format, but that's how it works. Um and

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then the other big thing is just our

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IMEA payment. So,

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>> we're going to have that happen numerous

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more time. Any Ross, any idea how many

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01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:40,639
more times that's going to happen?

504
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a lot of times,

505
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right?

506
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>> This is the third pay, sorry, the fourth

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pay

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process right now and we're 15% of the

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way through the job.

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>> So, it's going to happen a lot more

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times. Maybe something for the future.

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We maybe we want to separate those

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01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,320
because that does look weird without an

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explanation. So, but for now, we can

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approve them if that's good.

516
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>> Those funds have already been dispersed

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to the city.

518
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:02,560
>> I know.

519
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,040
>> So, those funds are being used

520
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:05,600
Yeah,

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01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:06,960
>> that's why I'm wondering if maybe a

522
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different way to present it may make it

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01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,880
a little less confusing then. So, but

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can I get a motion to approve the bills?

525
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:15,119
>> Uh, I will motion that we approve bills

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presented for payment in the amount of

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01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:20,629
1,396,326.86

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» 400 the new one.

529
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:23,360
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm looking at the

530
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,679
old agenda. That's my bad. Uh, I will

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01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,040
motion that we approve bills presented

532
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,239
for payment in the amount of

533
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:31,910
$1,430,535.90.

534
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:32,560
Thank you.

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01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:34,080
>> I'll second that motion. Roll call,

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01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:34,719
please.

537
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:35,679
>> Baldrich.

538
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:36,639
>> Hi.

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01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:37,199
>> Cullinin.

540
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:37,520
>> Hi.

541
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:38,239
>> McDermott.

542
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:38,639
>> I.

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01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:39,360
>> Moy.

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01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:39,840
>> I.

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01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:40,480
>> Currin.

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01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:42,560
>> I. Number eight. Approve payroll for

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01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,480
December 19th, 2025 in the amount of

548
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:47,119
$64,48747.

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01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:48,400
If there's no additions or corrections

550
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:49,920
or modifications. Can I get a motion to

551
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,199
approve the payroll?

552
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:52,719
>> I will motion that we approve payroll

553
01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:55,119
for December 19th, 2025 in the amount of

554
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:59,430
$64,48747.

555
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:00,400
» I'll second.

556
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,440
>> Roll call, please.

557
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:02,080
>> Baldridge.

558
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:02,560
>> Hi.

559
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:03,600
>> Colin in. I

560
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:04,239
>> McDermott. [clears throat]

561
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:04,800
>> Hi

562
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:05,360
>> Moy.

563
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:05,760
>> Hi

564
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:06,320
>> Curran.

565
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,960
>> Hi. Number nine, old business. A

566
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,560
discussion and possible action on

567
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,000
ordinance returning building and

568
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,440
electrical inspectors to electric

569
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,320
commissioner Baldridge.

570
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,719
>> Uh it's my understanding that we've

571
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:21,199
already discussed and uh voiced our

572
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:22,719
opinions on the passage of the

573
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:24,480
ordinance. We expected the attorney to

574
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:26,960
draft the ordinance and uh I believe

575
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:28,560
that's what's on the agenda tonight is

576
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,119
to pass or not pass the ordinance.

577
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:33,760
>> Okay. I'll go around the room. My

578
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:34,560
comments.

579
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,080
>> Yeah, that's my question, too. Do we

580
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:36,880
have the ordinance?

581
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:37,760
>> We had the ordinance.

582
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,840
>> Yeah, I sent it to Jen on Friday. I

583
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,239
don't know.

584
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:43,199
>> I put it in the drive.

585
01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:45,600
>> I saw ordinances maybe.

586
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,600
>> It was at the end of the day when I

587
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:48,639
finally got it done. But

588
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:49,280
>> yeah.

589
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:50,480
>> Um

590
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:52,080
>> Yeah, I see ordinances for the variance,

591
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,840
but I don't see ordinances for that. So,

592
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,320
>> I can I can send I can go get it.

593
01:42:58,320 --> 01:42:59,840
>> I have it here, Jen, if you need it

594
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:00,560
quickly.

595
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,480
>> Yeah. How's it read?

596
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:04,560
>> I will uh

597
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,239
I'll speak my two cents on it. So, um at

598
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:10,639
the last meeting, I I voiced really my

599
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:12,800
main concern with it, which is kind of

600
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:18,400
the process um uh that was kind of taken

601
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:22,000
to get to this point. Um I do think and

602
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,080
I I think it's rather evident that um

603
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,440
there is uh some degree of political

604
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:33,520
tension uh in the city of Ogulby. Uh and

605
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,880
I think uh this is a good example of

606
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,400
that. The fact that something like this

607
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,080
was placed on the agenda, nothing was

608
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,280
said to me about it. Um you know, I I

609
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:44,960
would have at least appreciated a heads

610
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:49,119
up. Um, but I also think, um, kind of

611
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:51,600
alluding to what Becky said, and I'll

612
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,280
mention this again earlier, but I I

613
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,760
think just kind of willy-nilly changing

614
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,960
things, um, is a symptom of dysfunction,

615
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,199
which the previous council had started.

616
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:06,320
Uh, and so I I don't like that. But I

617
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:09,280
will talk about a few other things. Um

618
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,719
Becky touched on uh some of them, but

619
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:15,440
again uh moving another commissioner

620
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:18,400
into oversight of people working in city

621
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:20,880
hall uh further clouds boundaries

622
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:22,880
between commissioners. And we've already

623
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,239
had kind of a number of uh scuffles that

624
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:29,280
have happened behind the scenes about um

625
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,280
whose responsibilities are whose

626
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,520
responsibilities and I don't think

627
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,119
making that more confusing is

628
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:38,000
necessarily a good idea. Um,

629
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:42,719
additionally, um, I had actually the day

630
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:44,159
before, and I mentioned this at the last

631
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,320
meeting, um, the day before this was

632
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,639
placed on the agenda, I had sent out an

633
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:50,560
invite, and I granted I should have done

634
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,360
it earlier, um, but I had sent out an

635
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,560
invite to, um, the building inspector,

636
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:00,000
Commissioner Moy, uh, Chief Margus, uh,

637
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,960
to sit down and and discuss, uh,

638
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,760
enforcement of building code and city

639
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,679
ordinances. is

640
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:10,320
>> I I had that meeting

641
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:12,880
>> uh with uh Burton uh our building

642
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,000
inspector and uh only Burton on I

643
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,440
believe it was the 29th of December. Um

644
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:22,400
and uh what Burton and I discussed uh

645
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,920
was a process because I I think there's

646
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,280
two big things at play here and why uh

647
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,360
certain building codes aren't being

648
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,119
enforced. I think it's a combination

649
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:35,520
historically of politics, but more

650
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,800
recently of uh process. I guess there's

651
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,400
not a I don't think there's um a a good

652
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:46,719
process in place to actually um identify

653
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:49,199
remedy these uh building code

654
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:51,360
violations. And so I'll actually show

655
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,800
you um something that I pieced together.

656
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,920
Um I have mentioned um that I am in the

657
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:02,080
midst of trying to migrate the city uh

658
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,600
to

659
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,159
um Microsoft. Uh and I I think there's a

660
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:09,840
good reason for it. Um the we currently

661
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,440
have for email, but we don't really have

662
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:17,679
uh the suite of Office 365 uh products.

663
01:46:17,679 --> 01:46:19,600
I'm not there yet. The suite of Office

664
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,520
365 products that would make this

665
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,400
relatively seamless. Uh we have

666
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:25,920
basically our emails. We have a

667
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,560
perpetual license in the office for um

668
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,679
office 2014 which lacks these features

669
01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:35,520
and I I really do think um this

670
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,600
getting this down would really move us

671
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,639
into 2026. Um it's kind of industry

672
01:46:40,639 --> 01:46:42,880
standard but let me pull this up for

673
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,600
you.

674
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,960
So, one of the things I did here, um,

675
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,480
and this is something that I've talked

676
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:53,600
about before, um, is there absolutely

677
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,679
needs to be some sort of a universal

678
01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:00,960
form that people can submit, um, that

679
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,639
everybody, well, everybody who uh, needs

680
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:07,760
to know about a ordinance, building code

681
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,600
violation, whatever, everybody can see.

682
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,480
Okay. Um, as I I think I might have said

683
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:17,840
at a previous meeting, um, that people

684
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:19,600
on the council were curious about

685
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,280
building permits, uh, and you know, when

686
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,119
who's filing building permits, what are

687
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:26,639
they filing them for, when are they

688
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:28,960
filing them, whatever. We moved that

689
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,320
over to the cloud to Excel. Um, and now

690
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:35,199
everybody can see that at just a click

691
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:37,040
on their phone. Um, they can they can

692
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,199
see all of that. And I really think we

693
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,280
need something similar for this. And so

694
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,040
what I did was I put together a code

695
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,600
violation form. Um, and this would be

696
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,440
universal. It'd be used by every

697
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:49,520
department. Uh, but basically what you

698
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,199
do is you select your type of complaint,

699
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:52,639
whether it's a building, electrical

700
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:54,000
complaint, a plumbing complaint, an

701
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,760
ordinance complaint, a zoning violation,

702
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,480
whatever. You type in the location of

703
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:00,719
the complaint. You have the option to

704
01:48:00,719 --> 01:48:03,760
leave contact information so the person

705
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,600
who's investigating the complaint can

706
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,840
follow it up or can follow up on it with

707
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,920
you. um because they'll likely need more

708
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:13,280
information. And then you have uh you

709
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:15,119
have to provide information on what

710
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,520
exactly it is uh that is the basis of

711
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,560
your complaint. And so what happens is

712
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:24,159
and this is the beauty of for all of the

713
01:48:24,159 --> 01:48:27,199
negative things about you know AI and

714
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:29,360
automation and whatever this is one of

715
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:34,400
the beauties of living in uh 2026 is you

716
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:35,920
can actually put together using

717
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,800
Microsoft's Power Automate tool. Um,

718
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,679
it's an automation tool. Um, you can

719
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:43,679
actually put a flow together where when

720
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:46,480
a new response is submitted, uh, the

721
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:48,080
Excel spreadsheet that this is linked

722
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,400
to, which I'll show you in a sec, uh,

723
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,119
pulls that information into it. And so

724
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,040
that Excel spreadsheet is what everybody

725
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,280
can see, that Excel spreadsheet pulls

726
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,840
this information into it from the forms

727
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,000
and it's there and it's visible and

728
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,320
nobody has to manually input it. And

729
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,679
then better yet, um when you select uh

730
01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:10,719
building, electrical, plumbing, zoning,

731
01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:13,440
whatever, um it will this switch down

732
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:16,880
here, it will send an automatic email uh

733
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,400
to whoseever uh area of concern it is.

734
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,480
And so if you put a building electrical

735
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,719
complaint in, it will send an automatic

736
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:26,880
email to Burton Levens, our building

737
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,239
electrical inspector. Uh if you put in a

738
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,000
uh plumbing thing, it'll send it to Alt.

739
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,760
If you send if you put in an ordinance

740
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,280
thing, general ordinance thing, it will

741
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,520
send it to the police department. Okay.

742
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:41,199
Uh and so all automated reduces the

743
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:42,639
amount of paperwork that people have to

744
01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:45,040
do. And I'll actually show you uh the

745
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,480
Excel sheet as well. This is uh this is

746
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:50,960
what it would look like on our end. Uh

747
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,639
this is what the how the information

748
01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:54,800
would be provided to us or presented to

749
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,199
us. Uh basically when it comes in I

750
01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:58,880
actually filled out one for my house

751
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:00,080
just I don't think there's any

752
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,239
complaints but you know uh just as an

753
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:05,760
example uh it comes in automatically uh

754
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,600
it gets put in as an automatic input

755
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,239
method. You can actually add manual uh

756
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:12,719
entries to it by selecting this drop

757
01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:15,760
down here and putting manual. Uh if you

758
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,920
if somebody calls in calls it in doesn't

759
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,080
fill out the form. There's the status of

760
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,159
it, the date that it was submitted, the

761
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:24,719
type of complaint it is, and this uh

762
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:26,400
basically the way the automation works

763
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,239
is whatever it says in here, it sends

764
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:30,320
that email to whoever's area of concern

765
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,400
it is. The location of the complaint, contact information, the

766
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,480
complaint information, that's all stuff

767
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:38,800
that's from the form automatically

768
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,119
populated into the Excel spreadsheet.

769
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:43,520
Okay? And then there's form there's a

770
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:46,239
few fields here or a few columns here uh

771
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:48,719
for the actual person who's tasked with

772
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:50,880
investigating the violation to fill out.

773
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,440
So data first contact with complaint the

774
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:56,159
complainty response was action taken yes

775
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,320
or no they can put down the applicable

776
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,560
ordinance uh and then they list a

777
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:02,880
follow-up date. They list a solution and

778
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:04,800
then they can also add administrative

779
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,760
notes. And so what I did here was I went

780
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,400
on Lasal County property tax assessor's

781
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,840
website or whatever and I just took a

782
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,000
picture of my house. I uploaded it to

783
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,040
one drive. I created a sharable link and

784
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:20,080
uh just for documentation for evidence

785
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,040
you can actually it will link you to

786
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:26,239
that picture. Uh and so or whatever

787
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:28,159
pictures you can link it to a folder and

788
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:31,199
it will show multiple images. Okay. Um,

789
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:34,159
and so we've taken the first steps on

790
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:36,480
this and yeah, granted I probably could

791
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:38,400
have taken them earlier. I that's that's

792
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,440
fine. That's a fair point. Whatever. Um,

793
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:44,320
but the the steps have been taken. And

794
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,320
frankly, had this not ever been placed

795
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,480
on the agenda, since I did take action

796
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:50,320
on this the day before it was placed on

797
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:52,560
the agenda, we could have already had a

798
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:54,159
resolution to this. We could have all

799
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:55,840
been on the same page. I could have I

800
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,280
could have met with Commissioner Moy in

801
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,119
the police department and we could have

802
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:01,840
moved on this sooner than we are now

803
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:03,840
because we have to decide ultimately

804
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,400
whose department it's it's going to be.

805
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,199
Um the

806
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:11,440
I mean that's that's basically all I

807
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:14,480
have to say about it. Um I'll yield my

808
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:15,440
time. So

809
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:17,040
>> Okay,

810
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:18,239
Commissioner B,

811
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:19,760
>> thank you foring your time. It

812
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:20,719
>> was very [laughter] good. It was very

813
01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:23,360
good. Um, no. And I think that's great

814
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,840
administrative stuff. I don't think that would the oversight would change

815
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,000
that. I mean, your guys's role wouldn't

816
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,920
change as far as accepting building

817
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:33,920
permits, accepting fees, processing

818
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,159
those, and getting them to Burton. It's

819
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:38,800
just if there's a complaint about a

820
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,760
building permit thing, wouldn't someone

821
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,840
who has more construction background be

822
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,080
the appropriate person to discuss that?

823
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:48,719
I didn't when I made my change, I didn't

824
01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:50,880
expect that Rich would be in there.

825
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,280
bossing around the girls in the office.

826
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,520
It would all be flowed just like it is

827
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,040
now. I mean, are you involved in the

828
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,679
day-to-day every time an building

829
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:02,719
permits issued that you're assigning it

830
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:04,080
to Burton?

831
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:04,800
>> No.

832
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:06,080
I mean, it just kind of

833
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,080
automatically flows that way. And if

834
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:10,080
there's an issue, then it would go to

835
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:11,760
the person who has the construction

836
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:12,719
knowledge.

837
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:14,000
>> I can I respond?

838
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:14,400
>> Yeah.

839
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,080
>> Okay. What I would say um about that is

840
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:21,360
um at the last meeting um Commissioner

841
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:23,920
Baldridge uh said something very

842
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:25,599
similar. He admitted that it comes down

843
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:27,520
to who has the knowledge in the given

844
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,679
situation, but then he referenced a

845
01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:31,840
situation with the property on Watson

846
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,880
where he said all of us, this was his

847
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,639
quote, "Look stupid because none of us

848
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:38,800
knew what we were talking about." And he

849
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:40,800
said, "Well, it's better to have me in

850
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,159
there who at least knows a little bit

851
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:45,599
about it." And so I mean what I would

852
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:48,719
say in that case is I I think and it's

853
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:51,119
no fault of Commissioner Baldridge. We

854
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:53,280
all have our our you know things that

855
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,360
we're experts in and I'm sure you know

856
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,480
more about concrete than Burton does. Uh

857
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:01,440
but what I would say though is I think

858
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:03,840
as far as

859
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:08,400
uh the totality of uh the building code

860
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:11,360
I I think Burton and really structures

861
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,000
and whatever else. I I would think that

862
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,320
Burton probably knows a lot more than

863
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,599
you and I just I don't know how exactly

864
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:20,560
you'd be a check on [clears throat]

865
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:21,760
that. So

866
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:22,880
>> just want to make sure that we keep

867
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,800
going around. Everybody gets first. Did

868
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,480
you have any more that you wanted to

869
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:27,599
>> You asked a question, I think, or

870
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:28,000
something.

871
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:28,960
>> That was

872
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:29,599
>> You were good.

873
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:31,119
>> No, I'm good.

874
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,920
>> Okay. Commissioner McG, [clears throat]

875
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,199
>> um I'm going to ask, do you have the uh

876
01:54:37,199 --> 01:54:39,199
sewer and water

877
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:41,440
the paper that was Aaron handed you the

878
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:42,000
other day?

879
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,440
>> I do. I'm going to read I'll read that

880
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:44,159
when I get to my thing.

881
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:46,080
>> Well, that's the reason why I'm asking.

882
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:47,440
>> You want me to read it now for you?

883
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:49,440
>> Well, if you would, please.

884
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,880
>> Sure. under the um street and water

885
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,040
commissioner. It it says this in one of

886
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,280
the lines of all ordinances,

887
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,040
resolutions, rules, and regulations

888
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,560
pertaining to the water department, the

889
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,000
sewer department, the street department,

890
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,920
and the plumbing inspector, and the

891
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:05,679
commissioner may prescribe and enforce

892
01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:07,599
any other rules and regulations in order

893
01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:09,440
to work toward the efficient and

894
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,440
economical management of the department,

895
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:13,199
not in conflict with any law ordinance

896
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:15,280
or resolution. So, it does say the word

897
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,280
plumbing inspector in there. It is not

898
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,040
under

899
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,080
>> that person though.

900
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,560
>> The daybyday operation goes through to

901
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:26,639
finance. Is that correct?

902
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,000
>> I'm sorry. You're asking me. What are

903
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:28,800
you asking me?

904
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,599
>> The dayby-day financing part of it goes

905
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:32,960
through to finance. Correct.

906
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:34,560
>> Yeah.

907
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,159
>> I would suggest that that needs to be

908
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:39,199
put in there and then even with the

909
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:42,880
electric department be the same.

910
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,389
>> You see what I'm saying? A day

911
01:55:44,389 --> 01:55:46,400
[clears throat] by day.

912
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:50,080
the finance and is doing the plumbing

913
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:52,320
and water and everything else.

914
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:53,599
>> Correct.

915
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:56,000
>> The only time I get involved is when

916
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,239
it's directly an issue

917
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,960
>> when when something ties into a private

918
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,040
plumbing thing into that. That's so

919
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:04,480
there's a little bit there is some

920
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:05,760
relation to that. I'm going to talk

921
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:06,880
about that a little bit, but

922
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:08,880
>> well that's where I'm getting at. That's

923
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:09,360
where I think

924
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:10,320
>> that's what I was trying to make the

925
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,400
argument last time is the the

926
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,000
departments don't have anything to do

927
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,280
with the inspectors.

928
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:16,960
>> See, that was recently brought up to my

929
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:19,280
attention and I think that needs to be

930
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:22,870
in there.

931
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,080
» Well, I'm sorry. What? What needs

932
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,280
>> I think that that needs that's what

933
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:26,880
needs to be in there. That was recently

934
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,440
brought up to my attention

935
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,320
>> earlier today about the dayby-day

936
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:35,920
functions should be in there.

937
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,560
Pat

938
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:40,159
I don't want to interject but just based

939
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:40,639
on the day

940
01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:42,560
>> by day functions is operated by the

941
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,560
finance the only time I get in there

942
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:47,199
>> daytoday functions of what Mac

943
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:49,119
>> the building plumbing inspectors and

944
01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:51,199
everything else the only way I get

945
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:52,719
involved is if there's an actual

946
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:53,840
>> can you share that

947
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:54,880
>> confrontation

948
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:55,520
>> I'm not sure

949
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,360
>> that's just the case I just I don't know

950
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,790
>> read it again

951
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:02,159
» and is this a code section

952
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:04,480
>> this is it's it's the code se this is

953
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:06,560
just a snippet But it's the code section

954
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,840
underneath the uh the the street and

955
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:11,520
water commissioner

956
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:13,520
>> u is what it says public whatever it is

957
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:15,280
public improvement your your spot that's

958
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:16,800
what it says that's the only mention of

959
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,480
the word public plumbing inspector

960
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:19,199
>> right

961
01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:20,080
>> is what I'm saying

962
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:22,400
>> but the dayby-day operation goes through

963
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,719
finance

964
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:26,719
>> see what I'm getting at

965
01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:28,560
>> I don't I don't either office

966
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:29,119
>> I don't either

967
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:30,000
>> day by day operation

968
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,840
>> daybyday operation goes through finance

969
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:32,960
somebody comes in here and wants a

970
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,840
plumbing license or inspected, it goes

971
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:36,880
through that office.

972
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:40,400
>> He does not involve the go any correct

973
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:41,840
office and that wouldn't change

974
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,400
>> what I'm argument right here is that I'm

975
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,159
taking it out of the clerk's office and

976
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:48,800
that's not a valid argument.

977
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:50,639
>> That's what I'm trying to get at.

978
01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:52,800
>> Well, I'll

979
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:54,159
leave it at that. You go ahead and do

980
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:55,920
your thing, Rich. So,

981
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:57,840
>> do Rich Let do his and then

982
01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:59,520
>> He did his. That's why he went first.

983
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:00,320
>> You done with yours?

984
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,960
>> He went first. Um, okay. So, I was going

985
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,639
to read this, but the funny thing is

986
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,800
Becky actually I hate to read that, but

987
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:08,080
I I put it all together and I took out

988
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,760
all the bad words. So, I feel like I

989
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,119
still want to read it, but Becky

990
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:12,880
actually touched on at least 50% of what

991
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:15,360
I what I was going to write here. So, um

992
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:16,400
let me read [clears throat] it. Before

993
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:17,599
we get into opinions, I want to start

994
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:18,719
with some factual correction because

995
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:20,800
accuracy matters. The agenda states the

996
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,639
proposal would return inspection

997
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:24,159
services to the electric department.

998
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:26,080
That is not correct. Inspection services

999
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:27,840
in the city has never been under the

1000
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,440
electric department. Historically, they

1001
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:31,360
reported directly to the mayor's office.

1002
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,040
During this administration and with some

1003
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,639
extensive talks with Commissioner

1004
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:38,639
Stephanelli, um where did I say? Um I

1005
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:40,320
agreed to move them under the accounts

1006
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,000
and finance commissioner at least

1007
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:43,920
functionally because that department

1008
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:45,520
already manages the building permit

1009
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,440
process, plan review fees, compliance

1010
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,520
tracking and records. So keep in mind

1011
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:51,760
they are still not in the ordinance of

1012
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,280
the finance commissioner. They just

1013
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:54,719
happen to be in that department they

1014
01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:56,960
work with the most. Also, the words

1015
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:58,880
plumbing inspector do appear in the

1016
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:00,719
street commissioner ordinance, but they

1017
01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:02,960
don't report to him what it says. And I

1018
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,520
quote, "Of all ordinances, resolutions,

1019
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:07,199
rules, and regulations pertaining to the

1020
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:08,719
water department, the the sewer

1021
01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:10,159
department and the street department and

1022
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:11,760
the plumbing inspector and the

1023
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:13,360
commissioner may prescribe and enforce

1024
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:14,960
any other rules and regulations in order

1025
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:16,639
to work with towards the efficient and

1026
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:18,000
economical management of the department

1027
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:19,760
not in conflict with conflict with any

1028
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:21,440
law, ordinance or resolution. So to be

1029
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,599
clear, this proposal is not a return to

1030
01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:25,520
a previous structure. It would be new

1031
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,440
and unprecedented change. What

1032
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:29,599
inspectors actually do? It's also

1033
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:30,960
important to clearly define the roles of

1034
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:32,560
our inspectors. Building, plumbing, and

1035
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,400
electrical inspectors oversee private

1036
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:36,320
property construction. They enforce

1037
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,000
building codes, electric codes, plumbing

1038
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,239
codes, and permit compliance. They do

1039
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,480
not inspect city-owned electric

1040
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,239
infrastructure. They do not inspect

1041
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:46,000
substations, transmission lines, or

1042
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,000
municipal electrical systems. They do

1043
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:49,760
not oversee electric department

1044
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:51,840
operations. The electric department's

1045
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:53,920
work and the inspector's work operate in

1046
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,159
entirely different spheres. Because of

1047
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:57,920
that, placing inspectors under the

1048
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:59,199
electric department does not improve

1049
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,040
oversight, efficiency, or compliance,

1050
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:02,880
and it raises legitimate concerns about

1051
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,239
independence and organizational

1052
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:06,239
alignment. addressing the experience

1053
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:07,840
argument. There's also been an argument

1054
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:09,679
made that this change is justified based

1055
02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:11,199
on personal construction and building

1056
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:12,719
and trades experience of our electric

1057
02:00:12,719 --> 02:00:15,360
commissioner having not x amount of

1058
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,199
defined years experience but more years

1059
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:19,679
of experience than another council has

1060
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:21,840
been alive. I find that to be more of an

1061
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:23,520
attack on someone's age than their

1062
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:26,239
actual knowledge. Experience absolutely

1063
02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:28,080
does have value. But inspection

1064
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,000
oversight is not governed by the tenure

1065
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,679
alone. It is governed by code

1066
02:00:31,679 --> 02:00:33,280
enforcement principles, administrative

1067
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,119
controls, permitting workflows, legal

1068
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:36,800
defensibility and independence from

1069
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,400
operational departments. There are

1070
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:39,920
nationally recognized qualifications

1071
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:41,920
that exist specifically to define

1072
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,520
competency in construction management

1073
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,599
and inspection oversight and including

1074
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:48,560
and I got these from Google and chat

1075
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:52,480
GPT. Uh first one certified construction

1076
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:55,119
manager CCM by the way super impressive

1077
02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:57,119
uh certification very specific though.

1078
02:00:57,119 --> 02:00:58,639
Next one, project management

1079
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:01,360
professional, PMP, ICC building and

1080
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:03,599
electrical inspector cert certification,

1081
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:05,599
certified building official, CBO, and

1082
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:07,760
professional engineer. Interestingly

1083
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,119
enough, if you looked at how these were

1084
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:12,800
ranked, uh Google even put uh PMP on

1085
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,040
top, which is interesting because we

1086
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:16,960
have somebody up at this uh on this

1087
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:19,920
council that has one of those, right?

1088
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,159
That happens to be me.

1089
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:25,280
So I I I actually think, believe it or

1090
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:28,719
not, Google has it wrong. C CCM is

1091
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:30,480
probably way more than the PMP, but I'm

1092
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:31,920
not going to argue with Google if it's

1093
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,199
saying I know what I'm talking about.

1094
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:35,280
But that's all right. That said, that

1095
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:36,880
said, this is not about credentials or

1096
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:38,800
personalities. It's about structure,

1097
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,119
precedent, and sound governance.

1098
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:42,800
Competence. This is where the real crux

1099
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,639
of everything should lie. Competence is

1100
02:01:44,639 --> 02:01:46,400
a hard thing to try to ever guarantee

1101
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:48,159
with elected officials, but our last

1102
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:50,400
person in the role had a high very high

1103
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,320
degree of competence in this area. I

1104
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:53,440
even had this written before I knew

1105
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:55,520
you'd be in the audience. In fact, I

1106
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:57,280
think he did a pretty good job. In

1107
02:01:57,280 --> 02:01:58,800
almost the seven years I've been on the

1108
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:00,800
council, we really had only one major

1109
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:01,920
thing messed up with the building

1110
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:03,920
inspection related stuff. At least to

1111
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:05,440
the point where we had to issue out a

1112
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:07,199
settlement. Here's the funny thing.

1113
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:08,719
Based on the complications of the

1114
02:02:08,719 --> 02:02:10,639
circumstances, I don't even blame the

1115
02:02:10,639 --> 02:02:12,320
past commissioner for those errors. I

1116
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:13,840
mean, I would prefer to have have him

1117
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:15,280
perhaps handle it a little differently

1118
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:16,639
or a little better, but I can't

1119
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:19,760
complain. He saw an issue and he did a

1120
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:21,280
lot of work in the clerk's office to fix

1121
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:23,119
the issue from ever being able to happen

1122
02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:26,159
again. Bravo. I say this because when

1123
02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:28,000
that air happened, no other commissioner

1124
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,760
came in and said, "Hey, because of that

1125
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:31,360
mistake, I want to take charge of the

1126
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,360
inspectors." Now, flash forward to our

1127
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:35,119
new commissioner. He has not had any

1128
02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:36,480
issues with any building permits or

1129
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:38,000
inspectors in the 10 months he's been

1130
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,920
doing the job. In fact, he's worked

1131
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,840
extra hard to make changes to fix things

1132
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:45,360
for even better as you could see by the

1133
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,000
very long detailed explanation that we

1134
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,960
had on the screen here. Um, so my point

1135
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:52,960
is he has done a lot of efforts and work

1136
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,520
to try to improve the process and this

1137
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:57,440
is before items have even become an

1138
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:00,320
issue. So to me that's demonstrated more

1139
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,400
than adequate competence to not make a

1140
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,239
change to how this is handled currently

1141
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:06,159
where inspectors should report. So this

1142
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:07,599
decision should be straightforward. We

1143
02:03:07,599 --> 02:03:09,119
can leave inspectors where they are

1144
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:10,480
integrated with the permitting and

1145
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:11,760
finance functions that are already

1146
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,840
support their work or if a change is

1147
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,840
truly necessary, return to the structure

1148
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:18,080
that has existed for decades, maybe even

1149
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:19,840
a hundred years with inspectors

1150
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,440
reporting to the mayor's office, which

1151
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,679
they technically do now. What does not

1152
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:25,119
make any sense in moving inspectors

1153
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:27,119
under department they do not inspect,

1154
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:28,880
they do not support, and whose

1155
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,320
operational responsibilities are

1156
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,080
unrelated to private construction

1157
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,239
compliance. That approach does not align

1158
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:36,000
with best practices and does not improve

1159
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,760
accountability. Closing. For those

1160
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,119
reasons, I do not support moving the

1161
02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:40,719
inspection services under the electric

1162
02:03:40,719 --> 02:03:42,320
department. On top of that, you'd be

1163
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,239
separating it from the plumbing anyways.

1164
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:45,599
I believe the current structure works.

1165
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:47,280
And if this body believes a change must

1166
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:49,119
be made, the only historical, accurate,

1167
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:50,800
and logically consistent alternative is

1168
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:52,239
returning inspection oversight to the

1169
02:03:52,239 --> 02:03:53,840
mayor's office. This decision should be

1170
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:54,960
based on facts, function, and

1171
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,400
governance, not disagreements between

1172
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:59,040
departments. So, that's my two cents.

1173
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:00,320
So, I think everybody's had a chance to

1174
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,000
talk once. Does somebody else want to

1175
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:04,239
chat again?

1176
02:04:04,239 --> 02:04:06,400
>> Good. I'd like to make a motion to pass

1177
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:12,709
ordinance number 137-10526.

1178
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:16,480
» There's a motion to pass it. Is there a

1179
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:16,960
second?

1180
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,760
>> I'll second. But can I I guess I want to

1181
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:22,480
talk again, but can I encourage

1182
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:24,880
Commissioner Baldridge and Colin to work

1183
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:25,776
together because I think that

1184
02:04:25,776 --> 02:04:26,960
[clears throat] Colinin does bring a lot

1185
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:28,960
to table with recordkeeping and

1186
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:31,040
administrative functions. And I don't

1187
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:32,880
when I'm doing this I'm not expecting

1188
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:35,040
those functions to leave the oversight

1189
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:35,760
of Austin.

1190
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:37,119
>> So you there you go.

1191
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:38,320
>> Let me answer let me answer your first

1192
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,880
question. So your first question is um

1193
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:42,400
can you still talk about after emotions

1194
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:43,760
are made? This came up last time.

1195
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:45,679
Technically yes because you're supposed

1196
02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:48,239
to have a a closed debate if you if

1197
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:49,440
somebody still wanted

1198
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:50,560
>> motion. Correct.

1199
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:51,760
>> You second the motion. So I don't know

1200
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:53,360
why you seconded. No, I I screwed.

1201
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:54,560
>> But technically, [laughter] if the two

1202
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:57,040
get seconded and you still had um a

1203
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:58,560
supermajority that still wants to talk

1204
02:04:58,560 --> 02:04:59,119
about it,

1205
02:04:59,119 --> 02:04:59,920
>> you can still discuss.

1206
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:01,520
>> You could still discuss it. So So you

1207
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:03,760
made the motion, you've second it

1208
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:05,199
>> and I want to thank you because that was

1209
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:08,400
a thing that I kind of got reinfor and

1210
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:10,719
it seemed like I did something wrong and

1211
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:12,239
I even I didn't.

1212
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:14,400
>> So let So let me explain. If you Okay,

1213
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:16,080
let me back up on this. If you look at

1214
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:17,840
Pure Robert's rules of order, Pure

1215
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:19,920
Robert rules of order do say that you

1216
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:22,400
make a motion and you make a second and

1217
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,320
then you debate the item. That is not

1218
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:26,080
our standard practice here. Our standard

1219
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:27,679
practice is that we debate the item,

1220
02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:29,280
talk about it and stuff like that and

1221
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:30,719
then when action's ready, we make a

1222
02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:32,320
motion. So that's why if somebody still

1223
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:34,080
makes a motion and the majority still

1224
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:35,280
wants to talk about it, you have that

1225
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:36,800
right. So there's a motion, there's a

1226
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:37,920
second, but if there's something that

1227
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:39,280
anybody else wants to add on, you

1228
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:40,880
absolutely can do that until a motion is

1229
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:43,440
made to close the debate. I will add I I

1230
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:46,880
appreciate your sentiments. Um all I'm

1231
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:49,520
saying is I will provide

1232
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:52,639
uh I will assist with the recordkeeping

1233
02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:55,840
uh the tech technological aspect of it.

1234
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:58,560
But as far as actually

1235
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,880
uh enforcement,

1236
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:06,719
>> I'm I'm not part of that anymore. That's that's Rich's obligation. So I

1237
02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:11,199
I'm you know uh if I if I have the power

1238
02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:13,760
you know I I'll deal with the with the

1239
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,920
you know the political possible

1240
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,400
political push back but I'm removing

1241
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:21,920
myself from that um if if I don't have

1242
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:24,560
this power and that will be Rich's uh

1243
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:26,080
burden to bear but I will certainly help

1244
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:28,320
him actually get the stuff done.

1245
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:29,679
>> And that was kind of why I was like I

1246
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:31,199
don't know why you're com

1247
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:31,599
>> oh no

1248
02:06:31,599 --> 02:06:33,520
>> against it because quite honestly it's a

1249
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:34,320
headache. So,

1250
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:37,360
>> well, it's yes, it's it's not something

1251
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:39,360
anybody should envy. Um, but I will

1252
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:43,280
certainly assist Rich Rich with um um

1253
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,520
the administrative portions of it, but

1254
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:47,360
I'm not actually going to and I

1255
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:48,320
appreciate that as [clears throat] well.

1256
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:48,639
>> Okay.

1257
02:06:48,639 --> 02:06:50,719
>> And I'd like to do is work together.

1258
02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:53,520
>> So, if we actually

1259
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,679
vote against this, you're still taking

1260
02:06:55,679 --> 02:06:57,119
care of the finance. When it actually

1261
02:06:57,119 --> 02:06:59,440
comes to an issue, Rich will take over.

1262
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:01,599
>> I'm I'm helping Rich with the paperwork.

1263
02:07:01,599 --> 02:07:03,599
I'm not helping him with enforcement.

1264
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:05,119
That's that's that's

1265
02:07:05,119 --> 02:07:07,440
>> as far as like recordeping accepting

1266
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:08,800
permit just like the plumbing in the

1267
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:09,119
water.

1268
02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:10,960
>> The permits will still be issued here at

1269
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:13,440
city hall. That's not changing.

1270
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:16,639
>> That's what I was trying to get to.

1271
02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:18,880
>> Okay. So, if we vote no, it stays the

1272
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:19,119
same.

1273
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:20,560
>> So, there's a motion to second, but is

1274
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,480
there any more I want to go to the roll

1275
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:23,920
call in case anybody has anything else

1276
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,800
they want to say about it yet?

1277
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:30,480
>> No, that's it. Okay. Again, I I I've

1278
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:34,480
read my long thing about it. um

1279
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:35,920
what it is. I guess people will will

1280
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:37,040
decide. I don't like the idea of

1281
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:40,079
separating comm uh uh department roles

1282
02:07:40,079 --> 02:07:41,360
or anything like that. I don't see the

1283
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:42,880
value of it, but that's what it is.

1284
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,480
There's a if there's no other comments,

1285
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:46,079
there is a motion in a second. Can I get

1286
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:46,800
a roll call, please?

1287
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:47,440
>> Baldridge.

1288
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:48,159
>> Hi.

1289
02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:48,880
>> Colin,

1290
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:50,079
>> no.

1291
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:54,390
>> McDermott.

1292
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:56,560
» No, stays the same.

1293
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:57,280
>> Moy,

1294
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:58,719
>> you still get it.

1295
02:07:58,719 --> 02:07:59,440
>> And Curran,

1296
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:00,480
>> no.

1297
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:02,560
>> Okay. stays the way it is until further

1298
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:04,480
notice. You still

1299
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:06,560
>> All right. B. Discussion and possible

1300
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:08,400
action on Culver under Edhand Highway

1301
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,239
and installation of new pipe at Manhole

1302
02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:13,360
Outlet. Mcderman. Okay. We discussed

1303
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:16,960
this at the last council meeting. Um we

1304
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:20,239
were asking if it's an emergency or not.

1305
02:08:20,239 --> 02:08:22,079
Um

1306
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,159
I talked to Ross.

1307
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:28,480
You claim it is significant emergency.

1308
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:32,719
Um, we have uh I guess Dan left, didn't

1309
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:34,320
he?

1310
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,360
>> We have Poolhore with a bid. Correct.

1311
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:38,400
>> Correct.

1312
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:41,920
>> And um we'd like to get that approved.

1313
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,159
Do I need to uh

1314
02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:46,400
>> Well, we'll go around. Balders, do you

1315
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:47,360
have anything?

1316
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:48,159
>> Okay.

1317
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:50,000
>> Uh I think we went through this not long

1318
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,679
ago. Uh something to go out with the

1319
02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:53,199
pool. I I believe that the union

1320
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:55,199
probably

1321
02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:56,800
should have their part in this. I think

1322
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:59,360
that we have a few few weeks at least. I

1323
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:01,920
have talked to Ross as well and uh I

1324
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,360
believe we have time to put this out to

1325
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:04,400
bid.

1326
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,000
>> Okay.

1327
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:07,520
>> I don't I don't know enough about it.

1328
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,199
>> Can you remind me I think I asked last

1329
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:11,119
meeting what is the threshold for bid?

1330
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:11,920
>> 20.

1331
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:13,040
Okay.

1332
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,719
>> 20.

1333
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:17,199
>> Um since I have you here, Ross, little

1334
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:18,480
bit of conflict for what I just heard

1335
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:19,920
between both of them. I and we haven't

1336
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:23,119
talked about this. is how how critical

1337
02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:24,800
do we have the action to move

1338
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,639
>> that pipe has failed

1339
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:27,119
>> okay

1340
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:29,440
>> now whether or not it's going to affect

1341
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:31,840
the road tomorrow or in two months

1342
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:33,760
that's impossible to say

1343
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,280
>> but it's imper it's going to happen

1344
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:37,840
>> it has failed the pipe has failed so um

1345
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:39,679
there's potential for further collapse

1346
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:41,760
there's a potential for you know not

1347
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:43,599
getting the full section of flow through

1348
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:45,840
it so there's potential for flooding

1349
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:48,880
upstream repair I'm not saying that we

1350
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:50,159
call it to get here tonight

1351
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:52,880
>> I fix that. But if it is a bid process,

1352
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:55,280
you're talking potentially months to

1353
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,599
where now we're into the spring before

1354
02:09:57,599 --> 02:09:58,960
this is fixed

1355
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,920
>> and having a lot of storm water going

1356
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:03,440
through that pipe. I I would worry about

1357
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:06,000
that. And so because it's not this isn't

1358
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:08,960
a project to add something new um

1359
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:12,000
because it's a want developing something

1360
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,480
I believe that because it has failed it

1361
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:23,119
has potential to get worse that time is of the essence okay where it's a repair it's not it's not a

1362
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:25,280
project to build something new or like I

1363
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:26,960
said develop something

1364
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:28,239
>> is to fix something that's broken

1365
02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:30,800
>> the failure f further is imminent got it

1366
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:31,199
um

1367
02:10:31,199 --> 02:10:33,599
>> my opinion means anything but It needs

1368
02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:34,800
to be fixed as soon as

1369
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:37,280
>> Okay. Has anybody reached out to because

1370
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:38,960
again I didn't do any research on this

1371
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,320
but has anybody reached out to the

1372
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:41,760
county to see if they had anything that

1373
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:42,800
they would pay a portion of it?

1374
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:44,960
>> It is not a county. It is within the

1375
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:46,639
corporate limits of the city. So it is

1376
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:47,199
fully

1377
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:48,719
>> so we're fully responsible for it and

1378
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:51,199
it's imminent in that case. Um I don't

1379
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:52,400
know what everybody thinks. I mean I

1380
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:53,679
think we we've done our due diligence.

1381
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:55,119
We asked the questions.

1382
02:10:55,119 --> 02:10:57,920
>> Um the question do we have an amount

1383
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,159
that needs to be discussed?

1384
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:01,679
>> Uh I can't remember what it was. It was

1385
02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:03,599
over the It was over the uh 20,000.

1386
02:11:03,599 --> 02:11:04,675
That's why it needs to get a vote.

1387
02:11:04,675 --> 02:11:04,880
[clears throat]

1388
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:08,239
>> It was 35, but says that's on the high

1389
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:10,560
end. High in case

1390
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,800
>> I think I remember that.

1391
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:14,960
>> So time materials, right?

1392
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:17,679
>> So it be max of 35,000. Okay. All right.

1393
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:19,679
Well, I think we've asked the questions.

1394
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:21,040
We we found out that the thing is

1395
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,280
imminent. Um, I I agree that if if you

1396
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:24,400
would have said we probably got six

1397
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:26,239
months to a year, maybe we put it out to

1398
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:27,679
bid, but I think when things are like

1399
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:29,280
this, my thoughts are we probably should

1400
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:30,880
just go ahead and approve it and get it

1401
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:33,119
before we get a collapse on a road.

1402
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:34,880
>> All right. Anybody else have any open

1403
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:37,280
discussion?

1404
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:38,480
Right. If you want to make a motion to

1405
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:43,199
whatever. I make a motion that we uh

1406
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:48,480
go for a bid with Puhar on the um

1407
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:51,840
ED highway installation of a new pipe

1408
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,880
and manhole at the manhole outlet

1409
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:58,239
>> at a cost of a maximum of 35,000 maybe.

1410
02:11:58,239 --> 02:11:58,480
Matt.

1411
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:00,400
>> Yeah. Just to clarify, approve the bid.

1412
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:02,400
Approve. Approve the bid of that. Okay,

1413
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:05,360
got it. Uh can I get a second?

1414
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:06,239
>> I'll second.

1415
02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:06,960
>> Roll call, please.

1416
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:07,760
>> Waldridge.

1417
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:08,960
>> No.

1418
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:09,599
Colin.

1419
02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:10,400
>> Hi,

1420
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:11,280
>> McDermott.

1421
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:12,000
>> I

1422
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,199
>> Moy I

1423
02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:13,840
>> Curran

1424
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:15,920
>> I

1425
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:18,079
>> C discussion and possible action on

1426
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:21,119
purchase of speed trailer me message

1427
02:12:21,119 --> 02:12:22,400
board Moy.

1428
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,560
>> Ah so we talked about this before. I

1429
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:27,119
have two quotes here but I'm now I'm

1430
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:30,400
wondering if I need to put it up fid or

1431
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:33,280
so there are two different companies to

1432
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:35,760
replace our speed trailer.

1433
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,440
The one that would be ideal would be the

1434
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:41,280
stalker radar radar. Um,

1435
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,440
it has the message sign if you recall

1436
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:45,520
that we could put more messages on there

1437
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:47,840
besides just

1438
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:50,560
slow down. We could customize it. But

1439
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:52,239
the really nice thing about it is that

1440
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:54,400
it does collect data. So if someone

1441
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:56,159
says, "People are speeding by my house."

1442
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:57,920
Now we have the ability to bring a speed

1443
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:59,520
trailer there and actually collect data.

1444
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,520
How many cars go by the house? How many

1445
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:02,639
cars are speeding?

1446
02:13:02,639 --> 02:13:06,639
>> Too rich. So, the stalker is the better

1447
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:10,079
of the two. It's just over $21,000.

1448
02:13:10,079 --> 02:13:12,719
Um, but there is an alternative quote.

1449
02:13:12,719 --> 02:13:14,239
Is there three that you need for

1450
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:16,079
anything over 20,000?

1451
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:16,480
>> No.

1452
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:17,599
Okay.

1453
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:19,119
>> You're just supposed to advertise it for

1454
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:21,679
bids, Hillary. But, but you can agree as

1455
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:23,679
a council, twothirds of the council can

1456
02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:25,760
agree to move forward without

1457
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:28,480
>> going through that procedure. So,

1458
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:30,000
>> Okay.

1459
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:37,109
You have anything

1460
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:40,480
We'll come back. Baldridge

1461
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:42,560
call.

1462
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:44,239
>> Um

1463
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:46,320
I mean this is replacing an existing

1464
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:47,040
one. Correct.

1465
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:49,360
>> If you recall, um I did bring up that

1466
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:51,280
the existing one is no longer working

1467
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:53,199
and it was the motherboard that had gone

1468
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:55,920
out and to replace it, it was ridiculous

1469
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:56,880
and not worth.

1470
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:58,560
>> We just have the one be

1471
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:00,079
>> Mike, we just have the one-speed

1472
02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:02,239
trailer, right?

1473
02:14:02,239 --> 02:14:03,920
that is not

1474
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:05,040
>> that's not working.

1475
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:06,480
>> We have one that's not working, one that

1476
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:07,199
is working.

1477
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:11,109
>> Do we have one that No.

1478
02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:11,840
» Okay.

1479
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,599
>> Mhm. And the idea was that this could

1480
02:14:13,599 --> 02:14:16,239
also be used in other departments like

1481
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:19,040
when we had the bridge closed.

1482
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,560
>> Board.

1483
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:23,280
>> Did you have anything in there?

1484
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:26,000
>> She's referring to anformational board.

1485
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:29,270
Mhm.

1486
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:33,040
» So, you're looking you want to get the 21,000, not the 1891.

1487
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:34,400
>> This is Yes.

1488
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:36,159
>> So, is there a better

1489
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:38,320
>> Well, it looks like with the um warning

1490
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:40,239
lights, which is the other bid. It does

1491
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:41,840
have a subscription service that you

1492
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:43,760
have to and it's a two-year requirement.

1493
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,360
>> Which one has a subscription service?

1494
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:46,400
>> Warning lights.

1495
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:47,840
>> The the expensive one or the cheap?

1496
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:48,800
>> The cheaper one.

1497
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:50,400
>> Oh, you got to pay. You're going to hit

1498
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:53,199
us on subscriptions anyways. Okay.

1499
02:14:53,199 --> 02:14:56,560
>> All right. Was this something that was

1500
02:14:56,560 --> 02:15:00,079
um requested as part of like the annual

1501
02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:02,320
like uh appropriations

1502
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:03,760
>> if if they have money in their budget is

1503
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:05,280
what you're asking? Yes, there is money

1504
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:05,840
in the budget.

1505
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:06,960
>> Okay.

1506
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:09,040
>> Matt, do you have anything yet?

1507
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:09,520
>> No.

1508
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:09,760
>> Okay.

1509
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:10,480
>> That be for the stock.

1510
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:11,920
>> Anybody else? If nobody has anything

1511
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:13,440
else, if you want to make a motion for

1512
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,560
action. I want to make a motion to

1513
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,599
purchase the speed trailer from Stalker

1514
02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:24,069
Radar at $21,167.

1515
02:15:24,079 --> 02:15:25,760
» I'll second that motion. Roll call,

1516
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:27,040
please.

1517
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:27,599
>> Baldrich.

1518
02:15:27,599 --> 02:15:28,320
>> Hi,

1519
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:29,040
>> Curran.

1520
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:30,239
>> Hi.

1521
02:15:30,239 --> 02:15:31,440
>> Oh, sorry. Colin,

1522
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:31,840
>> I

1523
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:32,560
>> McDermott.

1524
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:33,280
>> Hi,

1525
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:33,840
>> Moy.

1526
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:35,040
>> Hi.

1527
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:36,079
>> Sorry.

1528
02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:38,079
>> All right. Discussion and possible

1529
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:39,599
action to approve Gerard variance

1530
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:40,960
request. Cullinin.

1531
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:43,840
>> Uh Pat, you drew the ordinance for this.

1532
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:44,239
So

1533
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:47,599
>> correct. So you approved the plan

1534
02:15:47,599 --> 02:15:50,159
commission's recommendation to grant the

1535
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:52,719
Gerard variance request at the last

1536
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:55,760
meeting. Uh it takes the maximum height

1537
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:57,440
of a building in that zoning district

1538
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:00,719
from 15 ft to 21 ft.

1539
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:01,280
>> 22 I think

1540
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:04,800
>> 22. Um and this ordinance formalizes

1541
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:06,239
that decision you made at the last

1542
02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:07,360
meeting.

1543
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,599
>> Okay. Do you have anything else you want

1544
02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:10,960
to add to that?

1545
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:11,599
>> Mo.

1546
02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:13,520
>> Nope.

1547
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:16,000
nothing bridge. No,

1548
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:17,920
>> I think we already talked about it last

1549
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:19,920
time and we had a recommendation for it.

1550
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:22,000
So, if there's no other further

1551
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:23,119
discussion, if I can get a motion to

1552
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:26,639
approve the uh variance request.

1553
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:31,040
Um this is um I will motion that we

1554
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:37,280
approve ordinance number 13 05-01

1555
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:39,599
0525

1556
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:41,519
an ordinance granting a request for

1557
02:16:41,519 --> 02:16:44,000
variance filed by Samantha Gerard.

1558
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:44,559
>> Second

1559
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:47,040
>> roll call please. Baldridge.

1560
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:47,920
>> Hi.

1561
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:50,559
>> Col uh Curran Cullinin, sorry. Colin,

1562
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:51,040
>> I

1563
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:51,920
>> McDermott

1564
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:52,719
>> I

1565
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:53,359
>> Moy

1566
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:53,679
>> I

1567
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:54,240
>> Curran

1568
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:55,280
>> I

1569
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,040
>> E discussion and possible action to

1570
02:16:57,040 --> 02:16:58,880
approve Fielder/Walter

1571
02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:00,559
variance request. Cullinin.

1572
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:02,000
>> Pitch it back to Pat.

1573
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:04,960
>> Same thing. Um you considered the plan

1574
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:06,719
commission's recommendation at your last

1575
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:09,760
meeting and agreed to grant the variance

1576
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:12,319
request that the Fedler Walter parties

1577
02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:15,200
had filed. This actually will formalize

1578
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,960
the approval of a 35 foot driveway uh

1579
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:22,319
which is in in excess of the 25 or 24

1580
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:25,040
foot standard in that zoning district.

1581
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:27,200
And the driveway already exists just to

1582
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:30,080
let you know. It was constructed by the

1583
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:32,800
contractor without knowing anything

1584
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:34,719
about it.

1585
02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:37,024
>> It was just a mistake.

1586
02:17:37,024 --> 02:17:38,399
[cough and clears throat]

1587
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:39,280
>> Okay.

1588
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:40,719
>> And you approved this at the last

1589
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:41,359
meeting again.

1590
02:17:41,359 --> 02:17:43,599
>> I don't have anything. No. Well,

1591
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:45,280
McDermott

1592
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:46,000
Baldridge.

1593
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:48,240
>> No, I'm good. Same as before. Uh, no

1594
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:50,080
issues here. We get a motion to approve.

1595
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:51,920
>> I will motion that we approve ordinance

1596
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:57,349
number 136-0525,

1597
02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:59,120
an ordinance granting a request for

1598
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:02,479
variance filed by Robert J. uh, Feedler

1599
02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:03,840
and Karen Walter.

1600
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:04,479
>> Second.

1601
02:18:04,479 --> 02:18:05,439
>> Roll call, please.

1602
02:18:05,439 --> 02:18:06,000
>> Baldrich.

1603
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:06,399
>> Hi.

1604
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:06,960
>> Cullinin.

1605
02:18:06,960 --> 02:18:07,280
>> Hi.

1606
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:07,920
>> McDermott.

1607
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:08,479
>> Hi.

1608
02:18:08,479 --> 02:18:09,280
>> Moy.

1609
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:09,760
>> Hi.

1610
02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:10,479
>> Currin.

1611
02:18:10,479 --> 02:18:11,200
>> Hi.

1612
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:13,200
>> 10. New business a discussion and

1613
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:14,639
possible action to move the mayor's

1614
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:15,920
report to the beginning of the meeting

1615
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:17,120
moiled.

1616
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:18,479
>> All right. So this is why I'm bringing

1617
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:20,800
it here as discussion. Um I first want

1618
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:23,439
to address my um response to last

1619
02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:25,200
meeting's mayor's report and it was not

1620
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,000
how I perceive that I want to handle

1621
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,840
myself, how I think I represent the city

1622
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:32,800
very well. It it did get under my skin.

1623
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:34,559
I did get upset. I had a very human

1624
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,200
emotional response. But that's not fair

1625
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:39,359
and that's not how I want to go forward.

1626
02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:41,040
The reason I put the item on the agenda

1627
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:43,760
is not for retaliation or any purpose

1628
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:45,599
other than that, but to try and bring

1629
02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:47,200
down the temperature on our meetings.

1630
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:49,920
Obviously, this isn't working. This is

1631
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:52,000
statistically we have the most fights

1632
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,840
towards the end of the meeting regarding

1633
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,880
the reports. So, I don't want to point

1634
02:18:56,880 --> 02:18:58,399
fingers and say it's one person's

1635
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:02,080
problem or the other, but did you know,

1636
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:04,000
this may seem like I'm like all over the

1637
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:05,439
place, but did you know there's Robert

1638
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:08,639
rules of order debates? And I actually

1639
02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:11,760
found this out that there is somebody in

1640
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:13,359
that I'm very close with that is

1641
02:19:13,359 --> 02:19:16,160
actually a judge of it. And part of what

1642
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:18,319
I'm getting at is we can bring down the

1643
02:19:18,319 --> 02:19:19,599
temperature of our meetings without

1644
02:19:19,599 --> 02:19:21,920
getting ugly and nasty if we use a point

1645
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,920
of order correctly

1646
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:25,519
and all of that. So the reason I'm

1647
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:27,760
asking to move the mayor's report is

1648
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,679
that it's not uncommon that a mayor's

1649
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:31,679
report is first because he is the chair

1650
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:33,840
of the meeting. He does represent the

1651
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,000
council and it gives him the opportunity

1652
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,000
to make the opening remarks and set the

1653
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:39,840
tone for the rest of the meeting and

1654
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:41,760
announce the events that are happening

1655
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:45,359
publicly. First, um Galveston, Texas is

1656
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:48,559
one of the um cities that is mo most

1657
02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:52,160
often um commented or looked at as a

1658
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:53,520
successful commissioner form of

1659
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:56,319
government and that is how they operate

1660
02:19:56,319 --> 02:19:59,520
their meetings. So, that was why I

1661
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:00,479
wanted to bring it to you guys'

1662
02:20:00,479 --> 02:20:01,920
attention and maybe talk about it,

1663
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:03,439
discuss it, see if we want to try

1664
02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:04,880
something different. It's obviously

1665
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:06,720
reversible, but something that maybe we

1666
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:09,840
can try and work together to do better.

1667
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:10,800
>> Okay.

1668
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:12,640
>> I think it's a good idea. It worked

1669
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:15,439
today.

1670
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:17,359
>> It worked. You're fine.

1671
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:18,880
>> Right. Alders,

1672
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:20,319
>> I think at the beginning of meeting

1673
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:21,680
people are paying more attention than at

1674
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:23,680
any point in the meeting unless there's

1675
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:25,680
something crazy going on. So, I think

1676
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:27,359
that it would be beneficial to the city

1677
02:20:27,359 --> 02:20:29,680
and the citizens to have the mayor give

1678
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:30,960
you an announcement at the very

1679
02:20:30,960 --> 02:20:32,160
beginning of the meeting to tell you

1680
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,532
what's going on in the town.

1681
02:20:34,532 --> 02:20:37,590
[clears throat]

1682
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:46,319
» I I'll start out by saying this. Um, at

1683
02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:48,560
the last meeting, the mayor did take a

1684
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:50,560
bit of a a dig at the beginning of his

1685
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,520
mayor's report, and I think we should

1686
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:56,479
agree to not insert any politics

1687
02:20:56,479 --> 02:20:58,560
whatsoever into our reports and just

1688
02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:00,560
leave them totally nonpartisan. I think

1689
02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:03,520
that's a good rule to follow and leave

1690
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:05,600
the fighting over, you know, whatever

1691
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:09,840
else for the actual agenda items. Um,

1692
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:14,399
but I I really don't see I Well, first

1693
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:17,680
of all, beyond that, I I also think that

1694
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:20,080
this is just kind of a and I appreciate

1695
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:21,760
what you had to say about it, but I just

1696
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:24,479
I think this is just a a wild thing to

1697
02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:28,800
even be discussing. Um

1698
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:30,640
I

1699
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:33,439
it's as we kind of said with changing

1700
02:21:33,439 --> 02:21:39,280
the ordinance um on uh on the inspectors

1701
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:43,920
um I just I think when we have all these

1702
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:46,319
changes just kind of off-the- cuff kind

1703
02:21:46,319 --> 02:21:50,000
of you know just spur the moment kind of

1704
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:51,680
whatever maybe spur the moment is not

1705
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:54,800
the right phrase but it it just it just

1706
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:57,520
feels like we we make a lot of changes

1707
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:00,000
just to make changes because we feel

1708
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:01,760
like, you know, something in the city is

1709
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,080
not working the way that is supposed to

1710
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:05,520
or we don't like the way the city's

1711
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:07,200
being run and so we're just trying to

1712
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:09,680
force a round peg into a square hole.

1713
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:12,640
Like I I I don't know. I I really think

1714
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:14,720
the willingness to change things so

1715
02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:16,160
freely, as I kind of said with the

1716
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:19,359
inspector's thing, is kind of just a a

1717
02:22:19,359 --> 02:22:22,560
sign of dysfunction that it has it it

1718
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:25,520
started well before us. Um, and like I

1719
02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:29,760
said, I I will admit freely my part uh

1720
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:32,960
in in getting uh some of that assumption

1721
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:34,800
into city hall, and I apologize for

1722
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,359
that. But I I really just I really don't

1723
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:39,600
think that this is even something that

1724
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:41,840
we should be discussing. And I I would

1725
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:45,520
also ask too, um if if we move the

1726
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:46,960
mayor's report to the beginning to set

1727
02:22:46,960 --> 02:22:49,040
the tone and people listen most at the

1728
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:51,600
beginning, why wouldn't we also move the

1729
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:52,880
commissioner's reports to the beginning

1730
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:55,280
of the meeting? I I just I feel like

1731
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:56,319
that would be consistent.

1732
02:22:56,319 --> 02:22:57,760
>> Do Do you want to ask me or is it

1733
02:22:57,760 --> 02:22:59,120
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.

1734
02:22:59,120 --> 02:22:59,680
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1735
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:00,640
>> Well, I did research [clears throat]

1736
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:02,640
into that, too. So, it wasn't like it

1737
02:23:02,640 --> 02:23:05,760
was like a thoughtless process. I um

1738
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:07,840
originally proposed this because the

1739
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:09,840
mayor does hold a different role than

1740
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:11,680
the rest of us. He is the chair. He

1741
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:13,520
doesn't have a direct department really

1742
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:16,080
like we do to offerformational updates.

1743
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:17,920
And partially, I was also being selfish

1744
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:19,680
because I like I do the think first

1745
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:22,319
responder every other meeting. And I I

1746
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:23,760
think that that's a good positive way to

1747
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:25,840
end. So if we have a positive report in

1748
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:27,520
the beginning and a positive report in

1749
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:31,760
the end, that was my intention. So

1750
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,359
and the reason why I put it on the

1751
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:35,520
agenda is because agenda changes have to

1752
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:37,840
be approved by council. We can't in the

1753
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:38,160
latter.

1754
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:40,560
>> No, I that is true. I just I wish it was

1755
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:42,880
wasn't something we were discussing. But

1756
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:43,760
>> is there anything else?

1757
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:44,479
>> No, that's it.

1758
02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:48,479
>> Okay. So couple things. Um

1759
02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:52,319
first of all um your explanation was

1760
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:55,040
very eloquent. I I do that that is a

1761
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:56,640
wonderful sentiment to be able to set

1762
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,160
the tone and it for the for the meeting.

1763
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,240
I I actually think that's a a wonderful

1764
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:02,640
idea. It really is. I'm not even joking

1765
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:06,319
about that. However, I mean this is on

1766
02:24:06,319 --> 02:24:09,520
the agenda the the the meeting after you

1767
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:12,080
said I want it's you're on video saying

1768
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:13,680
I want the last word next meeting. Well,

1769
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:15,200
no, that I don't want you to have the

1770
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:17,600
final word, but that being said,

1771
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:18,640
>> I apologize.

1772
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,319
>> I know you did. I acknowledge that. But

1773
02:24:20,319 --> 02:24:21,840
just so keep that in mind. So, I always

1774
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:23,200
take that with with a grain of salt with

1775
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:25,920
that. The other thing with this is uh

1776
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:27,280
they looked into it how far this went

1777
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:28,479
back. For all I know, it could have been

1778
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:31,439
all the way back to, you know, 1916 for

1779
02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:33,439
all I know. Uh it's been this way for a

1780
02:24:33,439 --> 02:24:34,880
while. I don't think there's a problem

1781
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:36,640
with having the mayor's report at the

1782
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:38,880
end. Um

1783
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:41,600
the irony is um if if you if you want

1784
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:43,439
the mayor's report up front just so I

1785
02:24:43,439 --> 02:24:45,200
can talk about the general thing, set

1786
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:47,520
the tone and stuff like that. Um I think

1787
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:50,800
you forget that the council members can

1788
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:52,960
add things. So I can simply just put

1789
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:54,880
right after commissioner reports mayor's

1790
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:56,800
final comments if I wanted one. I have

1791
02:24:56,800 --> 02:25:01,359
that right to do that. So, so if you're doing it for that reason, uh

1792
02:25:01,359 --> 02:25:02,960
it's,

1793
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:04,640
you know, you're you're not going to win

1794
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:05,920
in that regards if that's what you're

1795
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:08,319
trying to do. Uh but if if it's for your

1796
02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:10,240
legitimate reasons, um I I think that

1797
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:11,760
actually is a wonderful sentiment. And

1798
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:13,200
you are right. I mean, look at the time

1799
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:15,120
right now. It's 8:25 at night. The other

1800
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:16,720
thing I wanted to point out, you says,

1801
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:18,880
uh I think somebody was it that said I

1802
02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:20,080
think see it worked really well for

1803
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:21,680
lowering the temperature today because I

1804
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:23,600
talked first.

1805
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:25,040
We didn't even start our council meeting

1806
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:26,399
for an hour and a half because we had to

1807
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:28,560
go into close session and and and handle

1808
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:31,200
some business that is not pleasurable.

1809
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:36,640
So I don't know if I agree with that that sentiment there. Um but again

1810
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:39,120
it's it's a wellthoughtout argument. So

1811
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:39,680
um

1812
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:42,640
>> I guess do we want to try it because

1813
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:44,720
this clearly what has been happening is

1814
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:46,720
not working. I think we all can kind of

1815
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:49,200
agree to that. The other argument, and I

1816
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:50,399
will say this with Commissioner

1817
02:25:50,399 --> 02:25:52,720
Cullinin's comments, um I think

1818
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:54,479
sometimes forget people forget maybe

1819
02:25:54,479 --> 02:25:56,479
some of the other previous commissioner

1820
02:25:56,479 --> 02:25:58,800
points and uh reports in the past, have

1821
02:25:58,800 --> 02:26:01,120
had some crazy things in there that I

1822
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:02,240
think that they've stated things that

1823
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:03,920
aren't true or whatever. I I just sit

1824
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:05,680
here and listen, let them listen and do

1825
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:08,000
whatever they say. So, I think when it

1826
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:09,760
comes to your individual report time,

1827
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:11,760
you are authorized to say whatever it is

1828
02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:13,280
you want to say.

1829
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:15,920
>> Um this is what I believe. So, it's

1830
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:17,840
called freedom of speech. So, um, does

1831
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:19,359
anybody else say anything to that?

1832
02:26:19,359 --> 02:26:20,960
>> Regardless of where this goes, I just

1833
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:24,399
want to I I do want to commend

1834
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:27,520
Commissioner Moy for for your apology

1835
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:29,439
about, you know, your response to that.

1836
02:26:29,439 --> 02:26:33,600
I I I think we could all benefit from,

1837
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:36,319
you know, more apologies and, you know,

1838
02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:38,160
whatever. And I think that took a lot of

1839
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:41,040
uh courage to to do that. So, I just

1840
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:41,920
want to give you a

1841
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:43,840
>> I wanted to apologize the hour after I

1842
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:46,000
felt really bad, but [laughter]

1843
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:47,760
>> All right. Any other comments on this

1844
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:48,000
topic?

1845
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:49,359
>> Well, I think it's a good idea. That

1846
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:51,760
way, you can bring up uh current events

1847
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:54,399
that are coming up right off the bat.

1848
02:26:54,399 --> 02:26:55,520
>> As I said,

1849
02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:56,000
>> pretty good.

1850
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:57,600
>> There's not terrible ideas, and you do

1851
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:58,960
get people's attention a little earlier

1852
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:00,880
in the thing. I just think the tradition

1853
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:01,840
has been

1854
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:03,680
>> I I I think it's a weird time to be

1855
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:05,520
asking to to move that right after we

1856
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:07,040
just had something that was strange

1857
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:09,520
about that. The timing is strange. I

1858
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:10,960
don't think there's a need a strong

1859
02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:12,640
enough need to change tradition just

1860
02:27:12,640 --> 02:27:15,280
yet, but the council can decide that.

1861
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:16,880
So, Anything else?

1862
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:18,240
>> I'll make a motion to move the mayor's

1863
02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:18,640
report.

1864
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:19,520
>> Yeah,

1865
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:21,120
>> we're spec Can I ask where specifically

1866
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:21,520
do you want?

1867
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:22,640
>> I guess we need to have a little

1868
02:27:22,640 --> 02:27:23,439
discussion.

1869
02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:24,880
>> What does that What does that mean? Like

1870
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:26,800
right after before pledge allegiance

1871
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:27,840
>> we start talking.

1872
02:27:27,840 --> 02:27:32,630
>> Should we do it after public comment?

1873
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:34,160
» You could do it before. It doesn't

1874
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:35,120
really

1875
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:37,280
>> be that's why I say be be specific was

1876
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:38,880
when you say beginning a meeting. I

1877
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:40,960
guess you could do it immediately.

1878
02:27:40,960 --> 02:27:42,319
>> As soon as you can do it is after roll

1879
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:42,960
call,

1880
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:44,240
>> right? to verify that you have a

1881
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:44,800
legitimate

1882
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:46,720
>> and that's why I wanted

1883
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:47,760
>> I think so too.

1884
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:49,359
>> I think the place to put it would be

1885
02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:50,640
between the pledge and the public

1886
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:51,439
comment.

1887
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:52,560
>> Okay.

1888
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:54,479
>> Keep the public comments about items on

1889
02:27:54,479 --> 02:27:55,120
the agenda.

1890
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:56,800
>> So is your motion to move the mayor's

1891
02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:57,680
report

1892
02:27:57,680 --> 02:27:59,520
>> immediately after pledge of allegiance.

1893
02:27:59,520 --> 02:27:59,840
>> Sure.

1894
02:27:59,840 --> 02:28:01,920
>> And I'll second that. That's good.

1895
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:03,280
>> Okay. Roll call, please.

1896
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:03,840
>> Waldrich.

1897
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:04,560
>> Hi.

1898
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:05,120
>> Cullinin.

1899
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:05,920
>> No.

1900
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:06,720
>> McDermott.

1901
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:07,359
>> Hi.

1902
02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:08,000
>> Moy.

1903
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:08,880
>> Hi.

1904
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:09,920
>> Currin.

1905
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:11,600
>> No. That's where I'll be giving the

1906
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:14,240
reports I guess.

1907
02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:16,640
All right. B discussion and possible

1908
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:18,160
action on raffle license approval.

1909
02:28:18,160 --> 02:28:19,520
Colin.

1910
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:22,880
>> Yeah. So, um I guess maybe Jen can speak

1911
02:28:22,880 --> 02:28:24,800
more to this, but I did write down a few

1912
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:27,120
things. There's a few organizations that

1913
02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:29,040
do raffles. The three that I saw were

1914
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:30,720
the American Legion, IVCC, and the

1915
02:28:30,720 --> 02:28:33,680
Dickinson House Foundation. And um

1916
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:35,520
they're seeking raffle licenses for the

1917
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:36,720
upcoming year or for this year.

1918
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:38,640
>> It's just it's just an annual renewal

1919
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:39,280
that we do.

1920
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:41,920
>> We are not having that as well. I is we

1921
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:43,520
are

1922
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:45,280
>> yeah that's all that's been submitted

1923
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:46,240
okay so far

1924
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:49,439
>> it's sorry my apologies tag days are the

1925
02:28:49,439 --> 02:28:51,280
ones that have a certain time frame that

1926
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:52,960
they're supposed to apply for

1927
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:54,160
>> my apologies

1928
02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:55,920
>> there's no set specific time on this

1929
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:58,960
>> all right my bad all right go anything

1930
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:00,880
else uh Moy

1931
02:29:00,880 --> 02:29:03,040
>> I I don't have anything to add

1932
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:04,960
>> I have nothing

1933
02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:07,680
>> for neither do I think they're great uh

1934
02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:09,840
great organizations and as more uh I

1935
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:10,880
don't know if there's ever and a

1936
02:29:10,880 --> 02:29:13,280
nonprofit that we've denied the the

1937
02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:15,200
ability to do a raffle license. So, I

1938
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:16,479
think it's great. Uh, if we can get a

1939
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:18,000
motion to approve the raffle licenses.

1940
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:20,479
>> I will motion that we approve um the

1941
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:22,399
attached uh raffle licenses.

1942
02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:22,960
>> Second.

1943
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:23,840
>> Roll call, please.

1944
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:24,319
>> Baldrich.

1945
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:24,720
>> Hi.

1946
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:25,200
>> Cullen.

1947
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:25,520
>> Hi.

1948
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:26,240
>> McDermott.

1949
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:26,720
>> I.

1950
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:27,280
>> Moy.

1951
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:27,680
>> I.

1952
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:28,240
>> Currant.

1953
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:30,080
>> I.

1954
02:29:30,080 --> 02:29:32,319
>> C. Discussion and possible action on

1955
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:34,080
creating an ordinance to place all prior

1956
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:35,760
executive session minutes in online

1957
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:37,520
commissioner files, giving easier access

1958
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:39,840
and review prior to voting.

1959
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:41,680
uh approval I think supposed to say.

1960
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:43,280
Baldridge

1961
02:29:43,280 --> 02:29:45,439
>> uh as I stated earlier there's a number

1962
02:29:45,439 --> 02:29:48,319
of uh past minutes that need to be

1963
02:29:48,319 --> 02:29:50,560
reviewed and the only possibility we

1964
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:52,240
have to review them is during business

1965
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,720
hours which my opinion are like banker's

1966
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:57,439
hours. I don't have banker's hours and I

1967
02:29:57,439 --> 02:30:00,160
am gone from 4 to 5:30 in the morning

1968
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:03,520
until after 5:00 pm every night. I don't

1969
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:05,120
really see a problem with putting these

1970
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:07,359
on our private server here so that we

1971
02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:08,960
could read them at our availability

1972
02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:10,479
instead of coming here and having to be

1973
02:30:10,479 --> 02:30:13,200
here during that exact time.

1974
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:14,880
>> We'll go around the room. Colin,

1975
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:17,200
>> so I guess what I would say regarding

1976
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:19,280
this and then I have a potential

1977
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,439
compromise on this if if we need to do

1978
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:23,680
that because of the banker's hours. What

1979
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:27,120
I would say is um I'm not familiar of

1980
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,200
with any board, at least the one board

1981
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:31,359
I've served on, I guess. Uh I'm not

1982
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:34,479
familiar with any board um that actually

1983
02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:38,160
gives members uh copies of the closed

1984
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,000
session minutes to just have and

1985
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,399
possess. Uh when I was on the library

1986
02:30:42,399 --> 02:30:46,160
board um I mean I was a secretary um I

1987
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:48,160
produced the close session record or the

1988
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:50,720
close session minutes and then they were

1989
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:52,720
put away in a lock box. Uh and you could

1990
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:54,720
come in and you could review them at

1991
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:57,520
your discretion but that was really it.

1992
02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:59,120
and and I really think that is best

1993
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:03,439
practice. Um, we've talked before about

1994
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:06,960
things um, we've talked before about

1995
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:09,680
things uh, being talked about outside of

1996
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:11,040
close session that shouldn't have been

1997
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:13,120
talked about outside of close session.

1998
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:14,880
Uh,

1999
02:31:14,880 --> 02:31:19,120
that's what it is. is I mean uh but I

2000
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:21,520
even if we can't stop people necessarily

2001
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:23,680
from discussing things that happen in

2002
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,479
close session out of close session I I

2003
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:29,680
would say it's probably beneficial

2004
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:32,240
um if that person doesn't have like an

2005
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:34,560
actual official document to corroborate

2006
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:37,920
what they're telling somebody. Um so uh

2007
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:42,000
for that reason um I'm just against it

2008
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:44,880
and those reasons I'm against it. Um,

2009
02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:47,280
and

2010
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:50,800
I I I really I'm really totally against

2011
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:52,720
it. But I mean, if this is going to end

2012
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:55,200
up being passed, what I would be more

2013
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:58,240
comfortable with is if if it's if if

2014
02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:00,000
it's this set of minutes, the the

2015
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:01,760
minutes that are listed here, October

2016
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:03,920
6th, October 20th, November 17th,

2017
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:05,840
December 1st, December 15th, executive

2018
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:08,319
sessions. Um, and I'll take the blame

2019
02:32:08,319 --> 02:32:10,720
for October 6th, October 20th, November

2020
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:12,800
17th, and December 1st. I didn't

2021
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:15,120
communicate clearly enough to Jen uh

2022
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:17,439
when Jen took the role of city clerk uh

2023
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:20,640
that we the kind of practice is that we

2024
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:22,399
review those at the following meeting

2025
02:32:22,399 --> 02:32:24,160
and then we approve them. That's my

2026
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:27,840
fault. I'll own up to that. Um but what

2027
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:30,319
I would suggest is if we are going to do

2028
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,399
this, I would suggest that we do it for

2029
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:34,240
just this set of minutes and then moving

2030
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:36,880
forward we don't do it at all and it's

2031
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:39,280
still paper copies in the office given

2032
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:41,040
to you before a council meeting for you

2033
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:43,680
to read. I just I don't think this is I

2034
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:44,800
don't think it's a good idea to have

2035
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:48,240
these uh circling out there. That's it.

2036
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:49,040
>> Okay. Mo

2037
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:50,761
>> I can understand your confidential

2038
02:32:50,761 --> 02:32:52,560
[clears throat] issues here with some of

2039
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:55,120
the topics, but

2040
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:57,200
>> I'm trying I'm trying to rack my brain

2041
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:00,080
as something as an alternative. I mean,

2042
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:02,000
password protecting it probably wouldn't

2043
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:03,840
prevent someone from screenshotting it,

2044
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:07,680
but um if someone's that bent on getting

2045
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:09,760
the information out there,

2046
02:33:09,760 --> 02:33:11,920
>> that's going to happen with their mouth.

2047
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:14,560
I would think

2048
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:17,280
>> I'm just I'm I'm interested to see if

2049
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:19,680
there's some kind of other

2050
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:24,230
ways to do this besides

2051
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,080
» I feel if somebody wants it out there,

2052
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:27,200
they're going to get it out there one

2053
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:28,720
way or the other.

2054
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:30,560
Um,

2055
02:33:30,560 --> 02:33:32,319
I don't know if there's any other way to

2056
02:33:32,319 --> 02:33:34,160
do it.

2057
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:38,160
>> Okay. Um, so the only part of this I

2058
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,319
think has has value is the discussion

2059
02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:42,240
part. Uh, everything else with the

2060
02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:44,720
action of what to do, I think it is so

2061
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:46,960
dangerous I'm surprised it's even on the

2062
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:49,439
agenda. I'll echo everything um,

2063
02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:51,040
Commissioner Cullen said. I've never

2064
02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:53,600
served on another board that that would

2065
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:55,120
allow something like that. Whether it be

2066
02:33:55,120 --> 02:33:58,160
school board, IVRD, we we we don't do

2067
02:33:58,160 --> 02:34:01,920
that. There's just Let me explain what

2068
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:03,680
closed session minutes are best used

2069
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:05,840
for. One, they make a record of the

2070
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:08,319
meeting. Great. That doesn't have any

2071
02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:11,040
value to the public except for usually

2072
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:12,960
years later. Every six months, we

2073
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:14,479
determine which ones can be released.

2074
02:34:14,479 --> 02:34:15,680
Matter of fact, next meeting we're going

2075
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:17,760
to do that for all of our past ones,

2076
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:19,359
right? The only ones that get released

2077
02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:22,479
are ones that issues are completely

2078
02:34:22,479 --> 02:34:25,120
no longer anything anything have a

2079
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:27,200
factor anymore. Right? So they don't

2080
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:29,280
really play a factor into the public for

2081
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:30,640
that. The only thing they play a factor

2082
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:32,640
to the public is that it is a thing of

2083
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:35,439
uh um

2084
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:37,840
being being

2085
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:39,600
available to everybody that they can see

2086
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:42,000
after the fact. So usually any relevant

2087
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:44,960
information is is from months to years

2088
02:34:44,960 --> 02:34:46,880
ago. So they don't have any value that

2089
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:48,720
way. The other value that they have is

2090
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:49,920
sometimes there's things that we talk

2091
02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:51,359
about in close session that are

2092
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:53,200
relatively detailed and complicated,

2093
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:54,800
especially if there's a negotiation deal

2094
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:56,880
that's gone back and forth like 10 times

2095
02:34:56,880 --> 02:34:58,479
and and then there's there's times that

2096
02:34:58,479 --> 02:34:59,680
we've actually had to go to the minutes

2097
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:02,000
to say, "Hey, our first proposal that we

2098
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:04,319
did with this back seven months ago,

2099
02:35:04,319 --> 02:35:06,479
what what did we offer?" So, we we've

2100
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:07,760
had to go to the close session minutes

2101
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:10,479
for that. Those are the value points of

2102
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:13,280
close session minutes. The negative

2103
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:15,040
thing if the if the some of these

2104
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:16,560
minutes were to get out into the public

2105
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:17,760
space, everything that we're talking

2106
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:19,760
about here right now, it's all online

2107
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:21,412
already. Our open session minutes

2108
02:35:21,412 --> 02:35:22,479
[snorts] really don't mean anything

2109
02:35:22,479 --> 02:35:23,840
because people could watch the video

2110
02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:26,479
tomorrow, today, whatever.

2111
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:28,000
I'll give you an example. We are in

2112
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:30,160
union negotiations right now, contract

2113
02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:31,680
negotiations.

2114
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:33,520
If the things that we talked about in

2115
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:35,760
our close session about how we're

2116
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:37,520
strategizing for, we're talking about,

2117
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:38,960
we're trying to negotiate and stuff like

2118
02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:40,399
that. If that were to fall into the

2119
02:35:40,399 --> 02:35:42,720
wrong hands,

2120
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:44,560
that would have a serious detrimental

2121
02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:46,960
effect to the taxpayers's resources,

2122
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:49,040
right? I mean, our job not only I mean,

2123
02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:50,560
we all want to make sure our employees

2124
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:52,240
are paid well, taken care of well, but

2125
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:54,880
we do have a a financial responsibility

2126
02:35:54,880 --> 02:35:56,960
to look after the taxpayer dollar. And

2127
02:35:56,960 --> 02:35:59,359
if those if you put something in an

2128
02:35:59,359 --> 02:36:01,680
online format, you are just opening up a

2129
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,800
can of worms. So to me, it cannot be an

2130
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:07,760
option. Close session minutes always

2131
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:09,760
have to be controlled. End of end of

2132
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:11,280
discussion. To me, there's this

2133
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:13,359
shouldn't even be a discussion. What

2134
02:36:13,359 --> 02:36:15,280
there should be a discussion for is if

2135
02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:17,840
we have council members that cannot find

2136
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:19,600
an adequate time to be able to come in

2137
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:21,439
to review them in person, that is a

2138
02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:23,439
problem. We have to find a way to be

2139
02:36:23,439 --> 02:36:25,680
able to to to to work around that.

2140
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:27,359
Right. I don't know what that answer is.

2141
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:29,200
I do think that somebody should be able

2142
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:30,640
to find time within the next couple

2143
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:32,720
weeks, maybe maybe if they any delay

2144
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:34,800
next couple months to find some time to

2145
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:36,880
come into this office or building during

2146
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:39,040
the working hours. If that can't be, we

2147
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:40,800
can talk about other options. I don't

2148
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:41,840
know what that's going to be. I don't

2149
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:43,040
know if that means putting it on a

2150
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:45,200
private server in the in the room there

2151
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:47,280
that's specially password protected to

2152
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,200
look at. I I don't know what the answer

2153
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:51,200
is. We can definitely discuss that. We

2154
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:54,000
can discuss that. But to me, the option

2155
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:56,880
cannot be for close session minutes to

2156
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:59,680
ever be on an online location to where

2157
02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:01,120
somebody could take them out of city

2158
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,359
hall. I I don't I don't even know, Pat,

2159
02:37:03,359 --> 02:37:05,760
do you have any legal thought process on

2160
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:06,160
that?

2161
02:37:06,160 --> 02:37:08,080
>> This would completely violate best

2162
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:10,640
practices. I I just don't think it's

2163
02:37:10,640 --> 02:37:12,319
something you should do. You're inviting

2164
02:37:12,319 --> 02:37:15,760
trouble. It's way too accessible to the

2165
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:17,680
general public if somebody can get into

2166
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:19,840
somebody's computer and take a look at

2167
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:22,080
these. No, I just don't think this is a

2168
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:22,560
good idea.

2169
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:23,760
>> And I'm not talking about the things

2170
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:25,280
>> I would definitely recommend against.

2171
02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:26,479
>> Yeah, I'm not talking about the things

2172
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:27,920
that we might squabble about and people

2173
02:37:27,920 --> 02:37:29,600
just want to hear a gossip aspect. I'm

2174
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:31,680
talking about the things that have true

2175
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:33,520
financial liability to the city if

2176
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:35,600
people if if it was available to the

2177
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:37,280
public. We can't have that. I think the

2178
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:39,760
idea of having I mean if if the time

2179
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:42,160
making the time or having the time

2180
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:44,560
period is an issue if we could have some

2181
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:46,240
sort of and I'm sure there's a way to do

2182
02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:49,520
it to severely lock down a computer and

2183
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,319
require a user ID and password to access

2184
02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:55,200
that computer so we can audit who who

2185
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:57,760
logs into that computer in city hall. I

2186
02:37:57,760 --> 02:37:58,640
think that's a good idea.

2187
02:37:58,640 --> 02:37:59,760
>> Well, if we're already coming to city

2188
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:01,600
hall then

2189
02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:03,280
>> yeah but everybody has a key. Everybody

2190
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:06,240
has a key because then we know then we

2191
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:08,240
know that that person only accessed them

2192
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:11,040
at city hall and we know when who's

2193
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:11,920
accessing them.

2194
02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:13,520
>> Believe that's what I asked you guys the

2195
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:15,200
last time when we initially started this

2196
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:16,880
conversation. You said it was impossible

2197
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:17,439
or something.

2198
02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:19,520
>> Oh, I don't an option then.

2199
02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:21,120
>> I I I don't want to say anything's ever

2200
02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:22,960
impossible. I just I don't know of a

2201
02:38:22,960 --> 02:38:24,080
proper way because like you said,

2202
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:25,439
somebody could take a screenshot of it

2203
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:26,800
and Mac, I don't know if I agree with

2204
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:28,160
that. I [clears throat] I agree with

2205
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:30,160
what Cullinin said. There's a difference

2206
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:32,640
because again, I'm not going to blame

2207
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:34,800
anybody, but we've had problems in the

2208
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:36,319
past where there's been certain items

2209
02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:37,760
that have been talked about in a very

2210
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:39,359
secure location that were very important

2211
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:41,120
and they have gotten out of here. That's

2212
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:43,760
caused that's caused problems.

2213
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:47,040
>> I I can't hold uh a council member

2214
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:49,840
liable for I I I can't I can't charge

2215
02:38:49,840 --> 02:38:51,280
them with anything. I can't if they do

2216
02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:51,920
that.

2217
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:53,520
>> But there is something to say if you

2218
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:54,960
have the document to show with it.

2219
02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:56,319
There's one thing about hearsay and

2220
02:38:56,319 --> 02:38:57,200
there's another thing with saying,

2221
02:38:57,200 --> 02:38:58,880
"Yeah, no, look, I got the minutes right

2222
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:00,240
here. There's what it said."

2223
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:01,439
>> Rich, I think what I was talking about

2224
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:02,880
is if they were placed on the internet

2225
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:04,880
in a folder or something like that. Like

2226
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:06,319
if they're on the internet, there's

2227
02:39:06,319 --> 02:39:08,160
really very little way that we could

2228
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:10,240
control them because you could just

2229
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:11,840
anybody could just say, "Hey, look at

2230
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:14,080
this." You know, whatever. But if but if

2231
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:16,479
we required that somebody be physically

2232
02:39:16,479 --> 02:39:20,399
in city hall and somebody log in using a

2233
02:39:20,399 --> 02:39:22,560
user ID and password that specifically

2234
02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:24,319
only goes to them and that computer

2235
02:39:24,319 --> 02:39:28,000
can't upload anything to the internet. I mean I think that would be an

2236
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:29,200
agreeable solution.

2237
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:31,280
>> It's better. I still don't think it's I

2238
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:32,720
mean I mean if you can't trust somebody

2239
02:39:32,720 --> 02:39:34,240
you can't trust them. They could take

2240
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:36,160
out maybe have a pair of medic glasses

2241
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:37,760
on and take pictures of the camera of

2242
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:39,120
that television. Yeah, you could do that

2243
02:39:39,120 --> 02:39:41,760
>> to uh if somebody wants to come in here

2244
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:43,600
and take information and they're just

2245
02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:44,800
that much of a bad person.

2246
02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:45,920
>> Yeah, that is true. That is a fair

2247
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:46,399
point.

2248
02:39:46,399 --> 02:39:48,399
>> Your charm never ceases to amaze me.

2249
02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:50,479
>> I'm sorry. Would it be possible that we

2250
02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:53,760
could do where um if you can't make it

2251
02:39:53,760 --> 02:39:55,520
say, "Hey, would you be possible for me

2252
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:57,359
to come in on a Saturday?" I would not

2253
02:39:57,359 --> 02:39:58,880
be against that coming in for a couple

2254
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:00,720
hours so somebody could come in and and

2255
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:02,560
review. I I don't have a problem with

2256
02:40:02,560 --> 02:40:02,880
that.

2257
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:04,160
>> I think something like that is makes

2258
02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:05,760
more sense because the the thing that's

2259
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:07,600
crazy about executive session, look at

2260
02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:09,120
this. We we haven't approved the ones

2261
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,120
from the 6th, the 20th, the 17th. We

2262
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:12,319
have like five of them here that haven't

2263
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:13,520
been approved, it doesn't affect

2264
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:15,200
anything because they're not released to

2265
02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:17,280
the public until six months after. So to

2266
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:19,120
me, if they have to get delayed,

2267
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:21,200
executive session doesn't doesn't mean

2268
02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:23,520
that much to me. As I as I said, the

2269
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:25,760
biggest value of them is transparency

2270
02:40:25,760 --> 02:40:28,000
after the fact. And if we need to review

2271
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:30,000
something because something happened so

2272
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:31,840
many months ago that we're not aware of.

2273
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:34,960
I I just don't think I I to me it's not

2274
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:37,359
even a discussion to have in an online

2275
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:40,560
open access thing. It cannot be if

2276
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:42,720
there's a way to lock it down or like I

2277
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:44,399
said if maybe only if they can only be

2278
02:40:44,399 --> 02:40:45,840
here once a month even if they got to be

2279
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:47,600
on the weekend or something like that.

2280
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:48,960
We got to make special accommodations

2281
02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:50,240
for that. We do need to make

2282
02:40:50,240 --> 02:40:51,680
accommodations for the council members

2283
02:40:51,680 --> 02:40:53,520
because people have lives and jobs and

2284
02:40:53,520 --> 02:40:57,040
responsibilities. Um but so I I think

2285
02:40:57,040 --> 02:40:58,720
the discussion should continue and

2286
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:03,280
trying to find a more appropriate way to accommodate that.

2287
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:07,600
>> Can I make a recommendation or an ask?

2288
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:09,120
I'm not directing you what to do, but

2289
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:11,760
tech guru Austin Cullen, can you look

2290
02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:13,600
into some alternative solutions and have

2291
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:15,200
them prepared by the next meeting so

2292
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:21,520
this just doesn't keep going? I I can I think just off the cuff I I can and I

2293
02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:25,040
will, but I think off the cuff, if I had

2294
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:27,439
to guess, the best solution would

2295
02:41:27,439 --> 02:41:29,040
probably be what I suggested, which is

2296
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:32,720
having a password protected uh computer.

2297
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:35,200
Um you know, maybe maybe you put it in a

2298
02:41:35,200 --> 02:41:37,120
place that is recorded or something like

2299
02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:39,040
that where you know, you can see the

2300
02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:40,800
person accessing it, whatever. But I

2301
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:42,000
really think that's going to be your

2302
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:44,479
only option. Um but I can research it.

2303
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:46,160
Could you look into that little Mission

2304
02:41:46,160 --> 02:41:47,439
Impossible tape that says it's

2305
02:41:47,439 --> 02:41:49,040
self-destruct after?

2306
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:50,160
>> Yeah, I can look into it.

2307
02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:52,319
>> That's a reference, but actually

2308
02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:53,680
>> I have to get into contact with

2309
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:55,200
connecting point anyway. So,

2310
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:56,560
>> okay. So,

2311
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:58,960
>> do I need to make a motion to do

2312
02:41:58,960 --> 02:42:00,399
anything or are we just going to leave

2313
02:42:00,399 --> 02:42:01,840
it open-ended?

2314
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:03,359
>> I mean, the only action on here is if

2315
02:42:03,359 --> 02:42:05,120
you're going to do the action that that

2316
02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:07,280
basically Baldridge recommended or

2317
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:09,359
whatever. I think what we should do is

2318
02:42:09,359 --> 02:42:11,280
continue the discussion to look for a

2319
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:13,359
more appropriate way to solve this

2320
02:42:13,359 --> 02:42:15,840
without putting the city in peril.

2321
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:17,840
>> I know that sounds overly dramatic, but

2322
02:42:17,840 --> 02:42:20,000
I do truly believe if some of these

2323
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:21,520
executive session minutes were to get

2324
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:24,319
out there there's a true financial I

2325
02:42:24,319 --> 02:42:26,399
don't think Pat, you wouldn't even argue

2326
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:27,520
with what I'm saying, right? There's a

2327
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:28,880
true financial liability.

2328
02:42:28,880 --> 02:42:30,560
>> A huge financial liability.

2329
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:32,720
>> Yeah. I I would definitely not recommend

2330
02:42:32,720 --> 02:42:34,960
you put these online and available to

2331
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:36,479
look at from afar. No.

2332
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:38,800
>> Good. Okay. So, I would that's what I

2333
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:40,960
would recommend. Uh we continue to look

2334
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:43,040
at alternative solutions that that can

2335
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:44,479
cater to the council members a little

2336
02:42:44,479 --> 02:42:45,760
better.

2337
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:46,240
>> Yeah.

2338
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:48,319
>> Because right now, again, we got five of

2339
02:42:48,319 --> 02:42:50,080
them that aren't approved.

2340
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:51,280
>> The world ain't burning down,

2341
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:54,160
>> but we didn't have them until recently.

2342
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:54,640
>> Say again,

2343
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:56,720
>> they haven't been adding up on there.

2344
02:42:56,720 --> 02:42:59,120
Those were all put together pretty much

2345
02:42:59,120 --> 02:43:00,960
at the same time, right? All

2346
02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:02,000
>> one

2347
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:03,359
>> wasn't a

2348
02:43:03,359 --> 02:43:04,503
>> I'll be honest. I look at the executive

2349
02:43:04,503 --> 02:43:06,240
[clears throat] session before we're

2350
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:07,200
going to release them because that's

2351
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:08,720
when the important time is.

2352
02:43:08,720 --> 02:43:11,680
>> Yeah. No, everything um all of them

2353
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:14,080
minus uh the last one on there which was

2354
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:16,720
what December 15th or whatever. Um yeah,

2355
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:20,160
they're they're I guess you could say.

2356
02:43:20,160 --> 02:43:21,600
>> Yeah, they've accured over time, but I

2357
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:23,359
will take responsibility for that. I I

2358
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:24,960
didn't communicate clearly enough the

2359
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:27,040
expectation to our new city clerk that

2360
02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:29,200
that's what we do after each meeting.

2361
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:29,359
So,

2362
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:31,040
>> I'm not looking to place blame. I'm only

2363
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:33,040
looking for solution areas to

2364
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:35,200
>> clear that up and be able to move on.

2365
02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:36,080
Okay.

2366
02:43:36,080 --> 02:43:37,439
>> So, is the discussion what I'm hearing

2367
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:39,120
is that we're going to look for more

2368
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:40,399
alternative solutions.

2369
02:43:40,399 --> 02:43:42,319
>> I make a motion that we look into more

2370
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:43,840
alternatives

2371
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:46,080
>> and because we all agree that we do have

2372
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:47,760
to make things available at

2373
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,600
commissioners schedules when they're

2374
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:50,560
available.

2375
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:53,040
>> Right. Okay. All right. Uh if there's if

2376
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:55,600
there's no other discussion, uh we'll

2377
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:58,880
move on. D discussion on central

2378
02:43:58,880 --> 02:44:01,680
locations. where city employees original

2379
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:03,439
records and certifications are

2380
02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:05,120
maintained current. All right. So, I put

2381
02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:07,200
this on here. I know I feel like I

2382
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:08,080
shouldn't have even had to put it on

2383
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:09,200
here, but I just want to make sure that

2384
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:10,720
this is clear because there has been

2385
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:13,120
some issues lately. Um, it's been

2386
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:15,040
brought to my attention that not all

2387
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:17,040
records are are being maintained at city

2388
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:19,760
hall. My understanding is, and I think

2389
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:21,680
our chief of police already walked off

2390
02:44:21,680 --> 02:44:24,160
is over there. There's only two two Hey,

2391
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:25,600
how are you? Thanks, Chief. There's only

2392
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:28,319
two things that uh two locations where

2393
02:44:28,319 --> 02:44:30,720
employee records are stored. Uh one is

2394
02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:32,640
city hall here. Their employee record

2395
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:34,560
has everything in it. Their pay records,

2396
02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:38,080
their their uh discipline reports,

2397
02:44:38,080 --> 02:44:40,080
evaluations, certifications,

2398
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:42,160
qualifications, everything. The only one

2399
02:44:42,160 --> 02:44:43,760
that's a little different is police

2400
02:44:43,760 --> 02:44:45,359
because police are under a very special

2401
02:44:45,359 --> 02:44:47,279
program. How they do their evaluation

2402
02:44:47,279 --> 02:44:48,800
systems and stuff like that. Even though

2403
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:50,399
their pay records might be down here,

2404
02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:52,080
their evaluation cycle, all that stuff

2405
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:53,680
is under a lock and key at the police

2406
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:56,560
department. So, I don't think there's an

2407
02:44:56,560 --> 02:44:59,120
issue if you have copies locally at the

2408
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:00,479
different departments, but there needs

2409
02:45:00,479 --> 02:45:03,359
to be the the original everything copy

2410
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:05,279
needs to be maintained here at city

2411
02:45:05,279 --> 02:45:06,640
hall. So, I thought I'd go around the

2412
02:45:06,640 --> 02:45:08,000
room and see if somebody thinks

2413
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:11,200
different than that understanding. Um,

2414
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:11,920
Colin,

2415
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:14,080
>> I I would agree with your assessment on

2416
02:45:14,080 --> 02:45:14,640
that.

2417
02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:17,120
>> Okay. To reiterate, you're saying with

2418
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:18,720
the exception of just the police,

2419
02:45:18,720 --> 02:45:19,760
>> the police department,

2420
02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:23,040
>> do you do realize like fire has monthly

2421
02:45:23,040 --> 02:45:26,080
training certific

2422
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:28,720
but I don't know I don't know if we keep

2423
02:45:28,720 --> 02:45:30,720
uh fire people as like employee records.

2424
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:32,319
So we don't have employee records on

2425
02:45:32,319 --> 02:45:32,960
them. So

2426
02:45:32,960 --> 02:45:34,399
>> and and with ambulance like their

2427
02:45:34,399 --> 02:45:35,810
paramedics license and stuff

2428
02:45:35,810 --> 02:45:36,880
[clears throat] like that since that's

2429
02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:38,240
something that's transferable.

2430
02:45:38,240 --> 02:45:40,399
>> I would say the full-time employees

2431
02:45:40,399 --> 02:45:42,160
paramedics we should because we have a

2432
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:43,920
file on them here. We probably need to

2433
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:45,520
have their copies of everything here,

2434
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:47,520
but everybody else if they're not

2435
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:48,319
full-time employees.

2436
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:49,920
>> I haven't had an opportunity because

2437
02:45:49,920 --> 02:45:51,840
this was added as one of the last agenda

2438
02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:53,439
items, but I haven't I had an

2439
02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:54,560
opportunity to talk about it with

2440
02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:56,479
Margus. I have not had an opportunity to

2441
02:45:56,479 --> 02:45:57,439
talk with Pete or

2442
02:45:57,439 --> 02:45:59,040
>> Okay. Well, again, this this is an

2443
02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:00,160
action. This is just a discussion.

2444
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:00,479
Right.

2445
02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:01,680
>> So, Right. So, but you agree with

2446
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:04,720
>> So, I'm not sure what the ambulance is

2447
02:46:04,720 --> 02:46:05,920
doing right now.

2448
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:07,680
>> Okay. Well, if you'd like to check on

2449
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:09,359
that because my thought process is the

2450
02:46:09,359 --> 02:46:11,040
full-time employee stuff, everything

2451
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:12,560
would be kept here,

2452
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:14,399
>> but if they but yeah, if you got a whole

2453
02:46:14,399 --> 02:46:15,920
bunch of part-time employees and stuff

2454
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:17,520
like that, we don't keep a record for

2455
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:18,640
them.

2456
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:20,240
>> Okay, McDermott,

2457
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:22,160
>> I agree with Mo.

2458
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:24,880
>> Okay, Baldridge.

2459
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:28,720
>> I don't know what records you're looking

2460
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:32,080
for. My my understanding is that the uh

2461
02:46:32,080 --> 02:46:33,520
personnel records and everything are

2462
02:46:33,520 --> 02:46:35,120
already kept in the city hall's offices

2463
02:46:35,120 --> 02:46:38,000
here. Um I I kind of think I know what

2464
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:39,760
you're talking about. And those are some

2465
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:42,800
uh apprenticeship records and those are

2466
02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:45,680
kept with the apprenticeship school.

2467
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:48,080
>> So we didn't the city of Ogby has ever

2468
02:46:48,080 --> 02:46:49,520
had the acquired.

2469
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:50,880
>> Well, I thought I thought when we got

2470
02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:52,960
the certifications, we kept them here. I

2471
02:46:52,960 --> 02:46:54,880
mean, for I I think of it is for

2472
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:56,319
anything like liability purpose. Like

2473
02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:58,080
for example, Dan's probably I don't even

2474
02:46:58,080 --> 02:46:59,439
know if Dan's still in the room anymore.

2475
02:46:59,439 --> 02:47:00,560
Uh they have some different

2476
02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:02,160
certifications that they have for like

2477
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:02,800
spraying [clears throat]

2478
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:05,200
uh I can't remember if it's pest control

2479
02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:07,040
or weed control or something like that,

2480
02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:08,800
but we keep those kinds of things down

2481
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:10,399
there because we need to maintain them.

2482
02:47:10,399 --> 02:47:11,760
We might get a call from the insurance

2483
02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:13,359
thing that says, "Hey, can you update

2484
02:47:13,359 --> 02:47:15,040
us?" We don't have to go look for it or

2485
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,279
hunt for it. We have it at city hall for

2486
02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:19,920
those records. So, um same with any

2487
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:22,560
certification. The moment we get them,

2488
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:25,200
my thought process is they should not be

2489
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:27,200
stuck in a drawer somewhere at a

2490
02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:29,680
department level. If they want to keep a

2491
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:31,120
copy there, that's fine. But the

2492
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:32,960
original everything needs to be at city

2493
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,720
hall so we don't have a problem with an

2494
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:35,840
employee coming down and saying, "Hey,

2495
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:37,279
I'd like to look in my employee file and

2496
02:47:37,279 --> 02:47:39,279
get my whatever." And we go, we don't

2497
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:41,680
have it. It's that's maintained

2498
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:44,000
somewhere else. I I we shouldn't have

2499
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:46,240
those conversations.

2500
02:47:46,240 --> 02:47:47,439
Just want to make sure everybody's under

2501
02:47:47,439 --> 02:47:48,800
that same mentality. if there's still

2502
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:49,600
some discussion. I

2503
02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:51,920
>> I think I need to just discuss because

2504
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:53,680
they do have significant amount of

2505
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:55,920
certified part-time

2506
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:57,920
>> and I think for liability purposes, I'm

2507
02:47:57,920 --> 02:47:59,279
sure their certification is somewhere on

2508
02:47:59,279 --> 02:48:01,040
file. I don't know what their record

2509
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:03,200
management system is for the ambulance.

2510
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:04,640
>> Okay. And and I'm not sure either. I

2511
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:05,920
only talked to the chief about it just

2512
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:07,760
to make sure I I knew that they had a

2513
02:48:07,760 --> 02:48:09,600
special how they did their evaluation

2514
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:11,439
stuff. So, okay. So, we'll look into

2515
02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:12,880
that one, but as far as everybody else,

2516
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:14,720
everybody's on board with the idea uh

2517
02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:16,240
that city hall is where they keep that

2518
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:18,240
stuff. Okay. Uh, is there anything else

2519
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:20,399
on that topic?

2520
02:48:20,399 --> 02:48:23,600
All right, moving on. Number 11, public

2521
02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:29,590
comment on any topic.

2522
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:34,070
» We got a long wait to get here.

2523
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:36,399
» Some of you are aware, I'm Kathy Nova,

2524
02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:38,080
and some of you are aware that Crockett

2525
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:41,040
Street has a horrible turnaround.

2526
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:42,960
um car. It's a dead end street and it's

2527
02:48:42,960 --> 02:48:46,240
a turnaround at the end and the big

2528
02:48:46,240 --> 02:48:48,800
trucks like UPS and F Express have

2529
02:48:48,800 --> 02:48:51,040
difficulty. But today I witnessed the

2530
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,439
ambulance. They picked someone up. I

2531
02:48:53,439 --> 02:48:55,279
don't know if they were in the car. They

2532
02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:56,960
were down on my street, but they went

2533
02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:59,040
down and they could not turn around.

2534
02:48:59,040 --> 02:49:00,399
They went back and forth, back and

2535
02:49:00,399 --> 02:49:01,920
forth. Finally, they decided they just

2536
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:05,040
would back out of the street. So, I

2537
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:06,479
think the city needs to take a look at

2538
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:08,319
see if they can widen that somehow so

2539
02:49:08,319 --> 02:49:10,880
the bigger trucks can get turned around.

2540
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:12,319
>> The interesting thing is I remember us

2541
02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:14,800
talking about this like six, seven years

2542
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:16,479
ago. And I think at the time the

2543
02:49:16,479 --> 02:49:18,000
question was, can we put a sign up that

2544
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:19,520
says no big truck because you don't want

2545
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:20,800
them have to turn around but an

2546
02:49:20,800 --> 02:49:22,160
ambulance obviously they got to get down

2547
02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:23,760
there. So that might change up the

2548
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:24,479
conversation a bit.

2549
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:26,640
>> Yeah. He tried using my neighbor's

2550
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,319
driveway runs and couldn't get turned

2551
02:49:28,319 --> 02:49:30,000
around and finally he just backed up and

2552
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:32,399
he backed all the way down the street.

2553
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:34,160
So that That's That's serious.

2554
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:36,000
>> It ends in a circle thing, doesn't it?

2555
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:37,600
>> It's not much of one.

2556
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:39,279
>> It's not much of a circle. And if you

2557
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:41,680
need to if I have property, I need to

2558
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:44,399
donate some property to get that larger.

2559
02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:47,040
It's just It's an issue. I know my

2560
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:48,800
neighbor's mailbox was knocked down by

2561
02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:51,840
one of the big trucks. I put cones in my

2562
02:49:51,840 --> 02:49:53,600
driveway because I invested a lot of

2563
02:49:53,600 --> 02:49:56,880
money in concrete and I had a UPS truck

2564
02:49:56,880 --> 02:49:59,359
back up and the curb. I had another guy

2565
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:01,359
with a gooseeneck [clears throat] um

2566
02:50:01,359 --> 02:50:04,240
hitch drive in and scratch the, you

2567
02:50:04,240 --> 02:50:06,399
know, the concrete. So, I'm trying to

2568
02:50:06,399 --> 02:50:08,479
protect my driveway because that's the

2569
02:50:08,479 --> 02:50:09,600
first place that they think about

2570
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:12,399
turning around is. But, um, when I saw

2571
02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:14,160
the ambulance today, I thought this has

2572
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:15,520
to be addressed.

2573
02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:16,640
>> I appreciate that.

2574
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:17,120
>> Okay.

2575
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:19,760
>> Thank you.

2576
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:23,920
>> Any other public comment on any topic?

2577
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:25,840
>> Number 12, commissioner reports.

2578
02:50:25,840 --> 02:50:26,720
Commissioner Cullin.

2579
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:31,190
>> Oh, boy. Let me find it. Uh,

2580
02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:34,560
okay. Uh so that portal that I've been

2581
02:50:34,560 --> 02:50:38,399
talking about uh the new we're replacing

2582
02:50:38,399 --> 02:50:44,880
uh payment service network um this is I believe part of the civic systems it's

2583
02:50:44,880 --> 02:50:47,439
an extension of civic systems um which

2584
02:50:47,439 --> 02:50:49,760
is we made a

2585
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:52,800
year and some change ago made a a large

2586
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:55,279
purchase for a lot of our uh bookkeeping

2587
02:50:55,279 --> 02:50:56,880
software blah blah blah and this is part

2588
02:50:56,880 --> 02:50:59,439
of it. Um the portal rolled out Friday

2589
02:50:59,439 --> 02:51:01,840
of last week. I was informed today that

2590
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:04,640
we have 55 people signed up uh for the

2591
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:07,120
portal, which is actually very good, I

2592
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:09,040
think, for Friday of last week. I'm

2593
02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:12,240
pretty pleased. Um I want to remind

2594
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:15,760
residents that signing up uh for online

2595
02:51:15,760 --> 02:51:20,800
payments uh made via AC is fee free. Um

2596
02:51:20,800 --> 02:51:23,279
however, cards at this point in time

2597
02:51:23,279 --> 02:51:26,720
will incur a charge of uh 3.5%.

2598
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:30,160
So, wanted to remind uh people of that.

2599
02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:33,520
I also, speaking of the new year, um on

2600
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:35,359
our website, city council's page has

2601
02:51:35,359 --> 02:51:38,160
been updated uh for the new year. So, it

2602
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:40,800
shows the 2016 calendar, so forth and so

2603
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:42,880
on. What you'll notice is that videos

2604
02:51:42,880 --> 02:51:44,800
are no longer linked there if you ever

2605
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:47,920
go there to pull up videos. Um but they

2606
02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:49,840
are still on our official YouTube

2607
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:52,720
channel. All of this year's videos, uh

2608
02:51:52,720 --> 02:51:55,040
moving forward will be listed on that

2609
02:51:55,040 --> 02:51:56,640
page.

2610
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:59,279
Um, uh, other kind of administrative

2611
02:51:59,279 --> 02:52:01,520
housekeeping things. I pulled this off

2612
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:05,200
the, uh, off the newsletter. So, uh,

2613
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:07,359
golf cart stickers expired as of, uh,

2614
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:11,120
1231, uh, December 31st. Uh, you should

2615
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:12,560
have received a reminder. If you have

2616
02:52:12,560 --> 02:52:15,359
any questions, please contact city hall.

2617
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:17,120
And the last thing I was kind of showing

2618
02:52:17,120 --> 02:52:20,399
off, I'm actually genuinely like I I'm

2619
02:52:20,399 --> 02:52:22,080
very

2620
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:23,920
I don't know like that that kind of

2621
02:52:23,920 --> 02:52:25,520
techy stuff I was showing earlier

2622
02:52:25,520 --> 02:52:28,160
actually really for whatever reason like

2623
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:30,240
it gets me like really excited. Like I

2624
02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:32,640
it's it's very like I don't know. It's

2625
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:34,000
like the same way I get excited when I

2626
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:36,479
go to Staples. Like I I'm kind of kind

2627
02:52:36,479 --> 02:52:39,120
of a loser in that sense. But uh that

2628
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:40,800
stuff really does excite me. So

2629
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:43,920
Microsoft 365 working on that. I talked

2630
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:46,080
about the building inspections things.

2631
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:48,560
Um I also want to keep other records uh

2632
02:52:48,560 --> 02:52:50,640
on that as well so they're accessible to

2633
02:52:50,640 --> 02:52:53,120
everybody so you know we're holding each

2634
02:52:53,120 --> 02:52:55,439
other accountable uh such as rental

2635
02:52:55,439 --> 02:52:59,120
inspections and other things. Um I also

2636
02:52:59,120 --> 02:53:00,640
talked about this before but we got a

2637
02:53:00,640 --> 02:53:03,040
bit sidetracked. I really want to

2638
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:06,399
prioritize um digitizing all of our

2639
02:53:06,399 --> 02:53:08,640
forms. obviously offering a physical

2640
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:11,520
copy, but trying to just to digitize,

2641
02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:13,600
offer a digital option for as much as we

2642
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:16,399
do and push people towards that. Um, and

2643
02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:18,560
so forms specifically, we were talking

2644
02:53:18,560 --> 02:53:21,200
about like building permit forms, our

2645
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:24,080
new civic systems thing, uh, should be

2646
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:26,960
able to handle those. Uh, but other

2647
02:53:26,960 --> 02:53:29,520
forms, even something as, you know, uh,

2648
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:31,359
frivolous as a Dickinson house request

2649
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:33,760
form, I would love there to be an online

2650
02:53:33,760 --> 02:53:36,800
option. um that again everything's

2651
02:53:36,800 --> 02:53:39,200
automated, sends a request, request is

2652
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:41,520
reviewed, sends a confirmation email. I

2653
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:44,080
would love that um because it just makes

2654
02:53:44,080 --> 02:53:46,399
everything so much more efficient and so

2655
02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:50,000
much more streamlined. Uh and so I I

2656
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:52,640
feel like a loser in my room at night uh

2657
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:54,080
playing around with Microsoft Power

2658
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:55,680
Automate, but I'm actually kind of

2659
02:53:55,680 --> 02:53:58,080
having a little bit of fun with it. So

2660
02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:00,560
um I look forward to seeing uh what it

2661
02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:02,240
can do once we get Microsoft totally

2662
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:04,000
rolled up. So, uh, that's all I have for

2663
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:04,560
tonight.

2664
02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:06,160
>> Thank you. Wish you well.

2665
02:54:06,160 --> 02:54:07,920
>> Okay. For the fire department, they had

2666
02:54:07,920 --> 02:54:10,240
14 calls total, which included five

2667
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:12,399
vehicle accidents, two activated alarms,

2668
02:54:12,399 --> 02:54:15,120
two life assist, one auto aid, one

2669
02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:17,840
police assist, one structure fire, one

2670
02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:20,880
hazmat call, one wire down. So, for

2671
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:23,680
2025, there were a total of 224 calls

2672
02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:25,680
that the fire department responded to.

2673
02:54:25,680 --> 02:54:27,520
And I just want to point out that this

2674
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:31,760
is a 16% increase from 2024. So, they

2675
02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:33,520
are getting more calls. So, if you've

2676
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:35,359
ever felt the call to action, please

2677
02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:36,846
consider the fire department

2678
02:54:36,846 --> 02:54:38,240
[clears throat] and joining them.

2679
02:54:38,240 --> 02:54:41,279
Applications can be picked up there.

2680
02:54:41,279 --> 02:54:43,439
Um, and then I I have the ambulance

2681
02:54:43,439 --> 02:54:46,160
report as well, which has 63 total

2682
02:54:46,160 --> 02:54:48,880
calls, five transfers, one ALS

2683
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:52,319
intercept, two mutual aids, 55 all city

2684
02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:54,960
and district calls encompassing. And I

2685
02:54:54,960 --> 02:54:56,479
did want to take a moment because the

2686
02:54:56,479 --> 02:54:58,640
district has asked us to start breaking

2687
02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:00,160
out these calls. They want to know how

2688
02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:02,160
many are happening. In November, they

2689
02:55:02,160 --> 02:55:04,720
had 60 We had 68 total ambulance calls,

2690
02:55:04,720 --> 02:55:06,800
but 14 were in the fire protection

2691
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:10,399
district. In December, 63 total calls,

2692
02:55:10,399 --> 02:55:12,560
but four were in the district, just to

2693
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:15,279
keep in mind. Um, tonight, I do not have

2694
02:55:15,279 --> 02:55:16,800
um statistics from the police

2695
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:18,160
department, but I'll catch up on them

2696
02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:19,439
next time.

2697
02:55:19,439 --> 02:55:21,600
>> Thank you, Commissioner McDerman.

2698
02:55:21,600 --> 02:55:23,680
>> Okay, the uh dry bridge has been

2699
02:55:23,680 --> 02:55:26,160
complete. Uh that I want to thank

2700
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:28,960
deconstruction. Um they will have to do

2701
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:31,840
the black top. Um the wastewater

2702
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:34,000
treatment plant is operating pretty

2703
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:36,080
good. They're doing good work down there

2704
02:55:36,080 --> 02:55:38,080
and they're going to do a pretty big

2705
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:40,479
pour within the next couple days I

2706
02:55:40,479 --> 02:55:42,399
believe.

2707
02:55:42,399 --> 02:55:44,160
That's it. That's all I got.

2708
02:55:44,160 --> 02:55:45,680
>> When you said pour, what does that have

2709
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:46,960
effect?

2710
02:55:46,960 --> 02:55:48,560
>> Not on the roadway, right? Just down

2711
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:49,200
there.

2712
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:50,560
>> Cool. Thank you,

2713
02:55:50,560 --> 02:55:52,560
>> Commissioner Baldridge. Uh, as

2714
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:54,960
Commissioner Moy has stated, um, the

2715
02:55:54,960 --> 02:55:57,840
commissioner's reports are, in my my

2716
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:00,319
opinion, to give a report of your

2717
02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:02,960
departments. Uh, I've asked both of my

2718
02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:05,040
superintendents of their departments to

2719
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:07,520
give me an an update uh, every two

2720
02:56:07,520 --> 02:56:09,760
weeks. And, uh, this is what the

2721
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:11,760
electric department has provided. Over

2722
02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:13,439
the last two weeks, we have received an

2723
02:56:13,439 --> 02:56:15,200
insur settlement payment of

2724
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:18,870
$88,372.14ning

2725
02:56:18,880 --> 02:56:20,880
storm damage I received in September. We

2726
02:56:20,880 --> 02:56:22,240
also finished and received the grant

2727
02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:26,399
from IMEA for $20,2863

2728
02:56:26,399 --> 02:56:28,399
which goes towards the P purchase of a

2729
02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:30,319
variable frequency drive for well pump

2730
02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:32,640
number three. They have signed up for

2731
02:56:32,640 --> 02:56:34,560
the new Julie underground rapid response

2732
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:36,240
system which will give a more precise

2733
02:56:36,240 --> 02:56:38,000
response for any underground locate that

2734
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:39,600
is called in. We are currently waiting

2735
02:56:39,600 --> 02:56:41,279
for the additional login credentials for

2736
02:56:41,279 --> 02:56:43,200
all the other guys. This program was

2737
02:56:43,200 --> 02:56:45,520
supposed to be 100% in use by January

2738
02:56:45,520 --> 02:56:46,960
1st. However, they are way behind in

2739
02:56:46,960 --> 02:56:48,560
getting each person's credentials sent

2740
02:56:48,560 --> 02:56:50,800
out. We have been working on getting our

2741
02:56:50,800 --> 02:56:52,080
electrical system mapped out and

2742
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:54,479
installed on the GIS maps which will be

2743
02:56:54,479 --> 02:56:56,399
once completed have all of our system

2744
02:56:56,399 --> 02:56:57,920
recorded in one place which will be

2745
02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:00,319
easily accessible to both all guys

2746
02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:01,600
working in the field as well as

2747
02:57:01,600 --> 02:57:03,840
permanent record for the city. This is a

2748
02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:05,840
work in progress. We had a major

2749
02:57:05,840 --> 02:57:07,520
incident of wind damage on Sunday,

2750
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:09,600
December 28th. A large oak tree was

2751
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:11,200
blown over and fell into our main

2752
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:13,840
circuit power lines which run down by

2753
02:57:13,840 --> 02:57:16,240
the alley between Oak Street and Porter

2754
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:18,479
Avenue, knocking down the power lines

2755
02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:20,160
and snapping off a corner pole on Church

2756
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:21,840
Street. We called Shar Tree Service to

2757
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:23,200
remove the large tree which was laying

2758
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:24,880
on both our power lines and a garage on

2759
02:57:24,880 --> 02:57:27,040
Oak Street so repairs could be made.

2760
02:57:27,040 --> 02:57:28,960
Power was restored to the affected

2761
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:31,359
customers around 7 a.m. If you recall,

2762
02:57:31,359 --> 02:57:33,760
it was about 50 to 60 mph winds, I

2763
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:35,279
believe, that night and they uh it was

2764
02:57:35,279 --> 02:57:37,279
very cold and they stayed all and got

2765
02:57:37,279 --> 02:57:39,520
all that. I do appreciate that we have

2766
02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:41,920
cleaned out all of our electrical appra

2767
02:57:41,920 --> 02:57:43,279
apparatus that was stored in the

2768
02:57:43,279 --> 02:57:44,800
Dickinson house basement and have been

2769
02:57:44,800 --> 02:57:46,319
working on organizing and installing

2770
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:48,080
additional shelving at both our landfill

2771
02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:50,000
storage building as well as a storage

2772
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:51,600
shed behind her shop and getting rid of

2773
02:57:51,600 --> 02:57:53,040
any junk that has been accumulated

2774
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:55,040
through the years when we get the time.

2775
02:57:55,040 --> 02:57:57,600
Thank you. JP uh from the parks

2776
02:57:57,600 --> 02:57:59,520
department says that uh the garbage is

2777
02:57:59,520 --> 02:58:02,240
downtown dog parking disc golf and water

2778
02:58:02,240 --> 02:58:04,640
street uh they get picked up on weekly

2779
02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:06,560
rounds. City Hall maintenance and

2780
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:08,640
cleaning gets done weekly. Uh he's got

2781
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:11,279
BB gun club prep, makeup shoots, and

2782
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:13,279
club nights. The Dickinson house has to

2783
02:58:13,279 --> 02:58:14,880
be maintained weekly to touch up

2784
02:58:14,880 --> 02:58:16,800
painting, the smell from the traps, new

2785
02:58:16,800 --> 02:58:18,880
install bathroom, bowling alley

2786
02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:21,200
maintenance. Uh been working on cleaning

2787
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:22,800
up the Dickinson House multiple times a

2788
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:25,840
week. Prepped for the 54 or 5480 mound

2789
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:27,920
and bases at Gandalfi Diamond. Prep for

2790
02:58:27,920 --> 02:58:29,680
the new south batting cage post at

2791
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:32,000
Gandalfi Diamond. Cut down some large

2792
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:33,439
tree branches that fell at Memorial

2793
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:35,359
Park. Changed the flags and clips as

2794
02:58:35,359 --> 02:58:37,680
needed at flag poles. Got the Christmas

2795
02:58:37,680 --> 02:58:39,200
lights taken down and organized them

2796
02:58:39,200 --> 02:58:41,040
back into storage. Been painting some

2797
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:43,359
garbage cans and uh done some ceiling

2798
02:58:43,359 --> 02:58:44,880
tile work in the park's office and

2799
02:58:44,880 --> 02:58:46,960
organized the shop. Starting next week,

2800
02:58:46,960 --> 02:58:48,319
they're going to do maintenance on all

2801
02:58:48,319 --> 02:58:50,080
the equipment. It's a late start due to

2802
02:58:50,080 --> 02:58:51,840
the early snow and start refinishing

2803
02:58:51,840 --> 02:58:53,760
more Memorial Park sign and Dickens

2804
02:58:53,760 --> 02:58:55,520
House baseball complex sign. If you

2805
02:58:55,520 --> 02:58:57,520
notice the one down at Memorial Park,

2806
02:58:57,520 --> 02:58:59,439
they uh took that down last year and

2807
02:58:59,439 --> 02:59:01,040
took some time and really made that look

2808
02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:02,399
nice and it saved the city a lot of

2809
02:59:02,399 --> 02:59:03,600
money and made it look a lot better for

2810
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:05,760
everybody to look at. So, do appreciate

2811
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:07,279
all that. That's all I have.

2812
02:59:07,279 --> 02:59:09,600
>> All right. All good stuff. Thank you. Uh

2813
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:10,640
mayor's [clears throat] report was

2814
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:14,399
already completed. Um so number what I

2815
02:59:14,399 --> 02:59:16,560
got 13 there. Executive session for

2816
02:59:16,560 --> 02:59:17,840
collective negotiating matters between

2817
02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:19,680
the public body and its employees or the

2818
02:59:19,680 --> 02:59:20,960
representatives or deliberations

2819
02:59:20,960 --> 02:59:22,319
concerning the salary schedules for one

2820
02:59:22,319 --> 02:59:23,600
or more classes of employees 5

2821
02:59:23,600 --> 02:59:25,760
LCS120/2C2

2822
02:59:25,760 --> 02:59:27,200
to discuss the purchase of lease of real

2823
02:59:27,200 --> 02:59:30,160
estate 5 LCS120C5

2824
02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:31,600
the employment compensation discipline

2825
02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:33,120
performance dismissal specific employees

2826
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:35,680
5 LCS120C1.

2827
02:59:35,680 --> 02:59:37,279
Uh can I get a motion to go into

2828
02:59:37,279 --> 02:59:38,880
>> I'll make a motion to go into executive

2829
02:59:38,880 --> 02:59:39,439
session.

2830
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:41,680
>> I'll second roll call please.

2831
02:59:41,680 --> 02:59:42,479
>> Uh Baldrich.

2832
02:59:42,479 --> 02:59:43,040
>> Hi.

2833
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:43,600
>> Cullinin.

2834
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:43,920
>> Hi.

2835
02:59:43,920 --> 02:59:45,200
>> McDermott. I

2836
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:45,920
>> Moy

2837
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:46,399
>> I

2838
02:59:46,399 --> 02:59:47,040
>> Curran

2839
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:49,200
>> I I think this is officially the latest

2840
02:59:49,200 --> 02:59:50,720
time we've started executive session.

2841
02:59:50,720 --> 02:59:52,800
There's no there's no planned action exe

2842
02:59:52,800 --> 02:59:54,560
after executive session. Thank you

2843
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:56,399
everybody. Have a wonderful night and a

2844
02:59:56,399 --> 03:00:02,374
happy new year.

2845
03:00:02,384 --> 03:00:07,510
[clears throat]

2846
03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:08,560
» I'm throwing

2847
03:00:08,560 --> 03:00:10,319
>> That's not great.

2848
03:00:10,319 --> 03:00:13,830
>> No cracks.

2849
03:00:13,840 --> 03:00:16,560
just breaking stuff. No, I said no. No

2850
03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:18,000
cracks,

2851
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:19,200
>> which would really suck because I don't

2852
03:00:19,200 --> 03:00:30,309
use this thing that often.

2853
03:00:30,319 --> 03:00:31,600
» Tony, didn't even know you're going to

2854
03:00:31,600 --> 03:00:32,720
be here and I said nothing but good

2855
03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:34,560
things about you.

2856
03:00:34,560 --> 03:00:35,760
>> You bet.

2857
03:00:35,760 --> 03:00:37,200
>> I might not like you, but you did good.

2858
03:00:37,200 --> 03:00:38,080
work.

2859
03:00:38,080 --> 03:00:38,479
>> That's

2860
03:00:38,479 --> 03:00:43,429
>> You did good work.

2861
03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:44,720
What

2862
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:46,399
>> about your wife?

2863
03:00:46,399 --> 03:01:01,030
>> What about your wife?

2864
03:01:01,040 --> 04:02:39,349
» You did.

2865
04:02:39,359 --> 04:02:44,710
I

2866
04:02:44,720 --> 04:02:47,359
» Oh my god. Thank god my wife still

2867
04:02:47,359 --> 04:02:58,870
there.

2868
04:02:58,880 --> 04:03:02,000
Oh boy.

2869
04:03:02,000 --> 04:03:07,429
Back to school tomorrow.

2870
04:03:07,439 --> 04:03:16,790
All right,

2871
04:03:16,800 --> 04:03:19,120
we're back in open session. Roll call,

2872
04:03:19,120 --> 04:03:19,520
please.

2873
04:03:19,520 --> 04:03:20,160
>> Baldridge,

2874
04:03:20,160 --> 04:03:20,399
>> here.

2875
04:03:20,399 --> 04:03:20,880
>> Colin,

2876
04:03:20,880 --> 04:03:21,920
>> here. McDermott

2877
04:03:21,920 --> 04:03:22,319
>> here.

2878
04:03:22,319 --> 04:03:22,800
>> Moy

2879
04:03:22,800 --> 04:03:24,160
>> here. Curran

2880
04:03:24,160 --> 04:03:25,680
>> here. Thank you for anybody that's still

2881
04:03:25,680 --> 04:03:27,520
paying attention. I'm It's probably well

2882
04:03:27,520 --> 04:03:30,160
past your bedtime. Um that's all we have

2883
04:03:30,160 --> 04:03:32,399
tonight. Uh number 14 is adjournment.

2884
04:03:32,399 --> 04:03:33,279
Can I get a motion to adjurnn?

2885
04:03:33,279 --> 04:03:35,183
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn.

2886
04:03:35,183 --> 04:03:35,359
[laughter]

2887
04:03:35,359 --> 04:03:35,920
>> Everybody.

2888
04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:36,720
>> Roll call, please.

2889
04:03:36,720 --> 04:03:37,760
>> Uh Baldridge

2890
04:03:37,760 --> 04:03:38,239
>> here.

2891
04:03:38,239 --> 04:03:39,279
>> Call it.

2892
04:03:39,279 --> 04:03:40,160
>> I.

2893
04:03:40,160 --> 04:03:41,120
>> McDermott.

2894
04:03:41,120 --> 04:03:43,359
>> I Curran

2895
04:03:43,359 --> 04:03:49,239
>> I. We are adjourned. Night night. night.