[0:02] You want to make a
[0:05] >> I think we have to do that right after
[0:06] roll call, I think. Right.
[0:09] >> Yeah.
[0:10] >> What are you looking at? What do you
[0:11] want to modify?
[0:18] » Oh my god.
[0:30] Uh, we're live. Let me make sure your
[0:32] mics are on.
[0:34] >> All right, we got six o'clock. Everybody
[0:36] ready?
[0:39] >> Anybody not ready?
[0:40] >> I'm ready.
[0:41] >> Let's do this.
[0:43] >> Let's call the Ogalsby City Council
[0:44] meeting to order. Roll call, please.
[0:46] >> Baldridge,
[0:47] >> here.
[0:47] >> Cullinin,
[0:48] >> here.
[0:48] >> McDermott
[0:49] >> here.
[0:49] >> Moy,
[0:50] >> here. Currin,
[0:51] >> here. Before we do the pledge of
[0:52] allegiance, I'm told we might have a
[0:55] modification to the agenda. that
[0:57] >> yeah go ahead to modify the agenda by
[0:59] placing the mayor's report as number one
[1:01] item. The second item will be the going
[1:03] into executive session. The third item
[1:05] will be asking to table the uh thing
[1:08] that I had on there. I guess I don't
[1:10] know where that came from or who put it
[1:11] on there but I don't the GTI information
[1:13] I don't think is uh it's not available.
[1:16] It's not ready to be talked about
[1:18] publicly.
[1:19] >> What GTI information? Where is it at?
[1:22] Which which item
[1:22] >> I had on there. someone put on there for
[1:24] me to discuss about GTI and the rate
[1:27] plan.
[1:29] >> Do you have a different agenda?
[1:30] >> No, I don't I don't see that on my
[1:31] agenda.
[1:32] >> Which number do you have?
[1:33] >> My suggestion there, Rich, that we we
[1:34] could just move to table that if we get
[1:36] to it at some point.
[1:37] >> I don't know which one you're talking
[1:38] about
[1:38] >> because I don't see one on it.
[1:39] >> It's not on. Um, it might have been a
[1:41] draft one. Is is there is there a need
[1:45] to go into executive session for one of
[1:47] our items prior to because I hate to
[1:49] have an audience of people here.
[1:53] >> Which which one do you want to go into
[1:54] executive session for so I can read off
[1:56] the correct one if we do move it?
[1:57] >> Personal matters.
[2:01] » Okay.
[2:01] >> 120 ILCS.
[2:03] >> Yep. Okay.
[2:04] >> 2C2 probably Jason
[2:06] >> the last one
[2:08] >> or it could be 2C1. Is it collective
[2:11] bargaining or performance discipline?
[2:14] >> Wait a second.
[2:15] >> Okay, that's the last one, Jason.
[2:17] >> Okay, so you want to make a motion to
[2:19] move the mayor's report up
[2:22] and let's do them as separate motions
[2:24] then. Um, so you want to make is that
[2:27] correct? You making a motion to move the
[2:28] mayor's report up as the next item.
[2:32] >> I was making a motion to move the two
[2:34] things.
[2:34] >> You want to try to vote for both of them
[2:35] at the same time?
[2:36] >> I don't see why we can't.
[2:38] I think it makes it confusing, but okay.
[2:40] All right. Um, so the motion is to move
[2:42] the mayor's report up and to move one of
[2:44] the executive sessions up as well um to
[2:48] the first item.
[2:49] Is there a second for that?
[2:51] >> I'll second that motion.
[2:53] >> Okay. Roll call.
[2:55] >> Uh, Baldridge.
[2:56] >> Hi.
[2:56] >> Colin,
[2:57] >> no.
[2:57] >> McDermott.
[2:58] >> I.
[2:59] >> Moy.
[3:00] >> I.
[3:00] >> Currin.
[3:01] >> No.
[3:02] >> Okay. Um, is there a specific order to
[3:04] those though?
[3:06] >> You want mayor's report first, I guess.
[3:09] Okay. Um, [clears throat]
[3:12] I feel like we should do the pledge
[3:13] first. Can we do the pledge first? Let's
[3:15] stand for the pledge of allegiance.
[3:17] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[3:20] United States of America and to the
[3:22] republic for which it stands, one nation
[3:25] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[3:28] justice for all.
[3:30] >> Okay. Um, mayor's report. Uh, first
[3:33] thing I want to do is I wanted to thank
[3:35] the electric department. um they had a
[3:37] relatively large outage. Um and not only
[3:41] do they always do a great job, but I
[3:42] just wanted to say this is one of the
[3:44] advantages of of our small community
[3:46] that we have here. Not saying that Amron
[3:48] doesn't do a great job with their
[3:50] technicians and and things like that,
[3:51] but when you have a small community
[3:53] here, our people are not only they're
[3:56] more than just technicians. They're
[3:57] friends, their family, their relatives,
[3:59] um neighbors of people. So, they always
[4:01] work super hard for that and I
[4:03] appreciate that. Uh the other thing I
[4:05] wanted to add to that was that I
[4:06] specifically had four residents that
[4:08] called in to give thanks for that and I
[4:10] really appreciate that because it is so
[4:12] rare that we can uh get that kind of
[4:15] recognition for usually the kind of
[4:17] things that we get feedback on is is
[4:18] usually things of a negative nature. So
[4:20] I really appreciate that. And the le the last thing I want to get which is
[4:24] really weird to talk about as the first
[4:25] thing I wanted to talk a little bit
[4:27] about uh 2026.
[4:29] So, um, over the the holidays and stuff
[4:32] like that, uh, at church, I there was a thing that somebody talked
[4:35] about with, uh, don't let people steal
[4:37] your joy. Um, and and giving it away.
[4:40] Um, you know, when it comes to me,
[4:42] there's about four or five people
[4:43] locally that that give me a hard time
[4:44] and about half a dozen na nationally.
[4:46] There's 8 2 billion souls on this
[4:48] planet. That's not a bad number. So,
[4:50] 2026 is filled with a lot of good things
[4:53] that we have. Ogalsby is one of the best
[4:55] places to live. Um, there is so much
[4:57] good that we have on the horizon. and
[4:59] some of it's long-term like for example
[5:00] the thousand acres that's about to
[5:02] develop around us here uh with uh with
[5:04] the state parks that's going to be a
[5:06] huge economic boom to the city that's
[5:08] probably years away. We got another
[5:10] possible one that I'm hoping we're going
[5:11] to be able to announce in several months
[5:13] if it's going to happen or not. That'll
[5:14] be a big one. And I have another one
[5:15] here in about a month that hopefully
[5:17] within a month that we'll be able to
[5:18] talk about here. Um there's a lot of
[5:20] great things on the horizon uh for
[5:22] Oglesby. So um be part of of giving that
[5:26] joy to other people. We have a lot of
[5:27] great organizations in the city, uh,
[5:30] volunteer organizations, things that
[5:32] people were part of, people that are
[5:33] people volunteering to be coaches,
[5:35] whatever it is. There's a lot of great
[5:37] ways to give back to our community and
[5:39] to be part of all the great things that
[5:40] we have here. It's still one of the best
[5:41] places to live. So, uh, that's really
[5:44] all I had. So, kind of a weird thing to
[5:46] do up front, but we'll talk about that,
[5:47] I'm sure. All right. The next item that
[5:49] got moved up was one of the executive
[5:51] sessions for
[5:53] the employment compensation, discipline,
[5:55] performance, or dismissal of specific
[5:57] employees 5CS120/2C1.
[6:01] Can I get a motion to go into executive
[6:03] session for that specific item?
[6:05] >> Motion to enter executive session.
[6:08] >> I'll second.
[6:08] >> Roll call, please.
[6:10] >> Uh, Baldridge.
[6:11] >> Hi.
[6:11] >> Cullinin.
[6:12] >> Hi.
[6:12] >> McDermott.
[6:13] >> Hi.
[6:14] >> Moy.
[6:14] >> I.
[6:15] >> Uh, Curtain.
[6:16] >> Hi. All
[6:18] right. I apologize everybody for the
[6:20] delay. Um I'm not sure how long we'll be
[6:22] in there. So we'll be back out and
[6:24] obviously we got a full agenda to do. So
[6:35] » Pat, I got a question for you. If we had
[6:36] multiple things that we were going to
[6:38] talk about for this item,
[6:40] >> would you probably need to do all of
[6:41] them right now then, too?
[6:43] >> I mean, you can make a motion.
[6:48] Yeah.
[6:50] >> Okay.
[6:52] >> So, we still could do the other one at
[6:53] the end.
[7:27] I was in bed before the midnight hour.
[1:29:58] There's still a few people here.
[1:30:07] We didn't put the We didn't put the
[1:30:09] music on.
[1:30:13] » There was music.
[1:30:14] >> Okay.
[1:30:35] >> we're back in open session. Roll call,
[1:30:37] please.
[1:30:39] >> Sorry. Uh Baldridge
[1:30:41] >> here.
[1:30:41] >> Cullinin
[1:30:42] >> here.
[1:30:42] >> McDermott [clears throat]
[1:30:43] >> here.
[1:30:43] >> Moy
[1:30:44] >> here.
[1:30:44] >> Curran
[1:30:45] >> here. All right. I apologize about that
[1:30:47] everybody. Uh number four, uh public
[1:30:50] comment on agenda items only,
[1:30:53] >> please.
[1:30:59] Okay,
[1:31:01] >> mayor, before I start, I'd like to ask
[1:31:04] I've done a lot of research on this.
[1:31:06] >> Can you pull your Can you pull the mic
[1:31:07] thing close to you? That way people can
[1:31:09] hear you. No, the the button button
[1:31:11] underneath.
[1:31:12] >> I watch everybody struggle with
[1:31:13] [laughter]
[1:31:16] » Sorry, what did you say? Go ahead.
[1:31:17] >> I I just want to before I start, I I'd
[1:31:20] like to ask that you let me complete
[1:31:22] what I have to say. I'm not sure what
[1:31:23] the time is limit. It's It's not
[1:31:26] lengthy, but I just would hate to be
[1:31:28] interrupted.
[1:31:29] >> So, what I usually do is after five
[1:31:30] minutes have elapsed, I'll say, "Ma'am,
[1:31:33] your five minutes has elapsed if you
[1:31:34] could wrap up or summarize." So, I will
[1:31:35] try not to interrupt you before that.
[1:31:36] Okay.
[1:31:37] >> I thought it was three minutes. I'm not
[1:31:38] going to go.
[1:31:39] >> You're good to go.
[1:31:40] >> Okay. So, first of all, I want to know
[1:31:42] I'm going to I'm going to give you a
[1:31:43] little bit of history because I think
[1:31:44] it's important to understand
[1:31:47] um my point. Um I I'm addressing uh I
[1:31:51] believe that is Do you have an agenda
[1:31:53] number nine?
[1:31:55] Well, there's there's five items in
[1:31:57] there.
[1:31:58] >> Here you go.
[1:32:00] >> The inspectors.
[1:32:01] >> Yes. Okay.
[1:32:02] >> Discussion and possible action on
[1:32:04] ordinance returning building and
[1:32:05] electrical inspectors to the electric
[1:32:07] commissioner. First of all, I'd like to
[1:32:09] point out that that is incorrect. I, as
[1:32:12] you know, am city clerk, have been city
[1:32:14] clerk um and have been involved with the
[1:32:17] [clears throat] city for um about 14
[1:32:20] years. And to my knowledge and based on
[1:32:24] the research that I have done, the
[1:32:26] inspectors have always been under the um
[1:32:30] guidance of the mayor, not the the
[1:32:34] building or the electrical commissioner
[1:32:36] at all. And that did change in 2023
[1:32:41] when Commissioner Stephanelli came
[1:32:44] aboard and his expertise made it sense
[1:32:47] to uh to shift it to accounts and
[1:32:49] finance.
[1:32:51] So um in 1913
[1:32:55] Oglesby adopted the commission form of
[1:32:57] government and established five areas of
[1:33:00] oversight. Public affairs, public
[1:33:02] safety, streets and improvements,
[1:33:04] accounts and finances and public
[1:33:06] property for more than 75 years. Those
[1:33:10] ordinances that established their roles
[1:33:12] of those positions went unchanged. I
[1:33:15] think in 1975 there was an addition
[1:33:19] computers became important and
[1:33:21] commissioner um Corless uh was granted
[1:33:25] uh oversight over computers as they
[1:33:27] brought them into the city. Um, so for
[1:33:30] more than 75 years,
[1:33:33] nothing really changed.
[1:33:36] In 2019,
[1:33:38] the new council's first action was to
[1:33:40] rewrite commissioner roles based on the
[1:33:41] commissioner's self-proclaimed strengths
[1:33:44] and personal agendas. They would later
[1:33:47] alter these roles six times in four
[1:33:49] years. I think most will agree that is
[1:33:52] not good government.
[1:33:54] The current council made their own
[1:33:55] changes in May of 2023, which seemed to
[1:33:58] restore most of the original roles with
[1:34:00] a few changes that basically distributed
[1:34:03] some of the public affairs
[1:34:04] responsibilities which the mayor
[1:34:07] typically oversees to others. At the
[1:34:09] time, I felt this was the reset the city
[1:34:12] needed to restore professionalism and
[1:34:14] civility to the council. And that's when
[1:34:17] this council said, "Hold my beer."
[1:34:21] This council, more than any other
[1:34:23] council in the past, has demanded
[1:34:25] autonomy in their areas of oversight.
[1:34:28] This was all well and good until
[1:34:30] recently with what I understand has been
[1:34:33] no meaningful discussions with the
[1:34:35] people involved in code enforcement. Two
[1:34:37] commissioners proposed shifting the
[1:34:40] responsibility of code enforcement from
[1:34:42] accounts and finance commissioner
[1:34:43] Cullinin to public property commissioner
[1:34:46] Baldridge.
[1:34:47] My question to you, Commissioner
[1:34:49] Baldridge and No, what's changed?
[1:34:53] Commissioner Baldridge, I believe that
[1:34:55] you said at the last meeting that your
[1:34:58] experience as a concrete finisher makes
[1:35:00] you more knowledgeable about
[1:35:02] construction and more qualified than
[1:35:04] Commissioner Cullinan to be over the
[1:35:07] inspectors.
[1:35:09] I'd like to say that first there are
[1:35:11] very few examples of Oglesby elected
[1:35:14] officials who are truly qualified for
[1:35:17] the roles that they assume. It is
[1:35:19] unrealistic to think that commissioners
[1:35:21] have to be skilled in the everyday
[1:35:24] operations of their departments. That's
[1:35:26] what city employees and professionals
[1:35:29] like engineers and auditors and um
[1:35:32] attorneys, that's what they bring to the
[1:35:35] table.
[1:35:37] So, I don't I I I think if you could
[1:35:40] look at yourselves and ask, "Am I really
[1:35:42] qualified to be the uh the the head of
[1:35:47] an electric department, a 2.3 million
[1:35:49] dollar enterprise? What in my personal
[1:35:52] experience does that or am I really
[1:35:54] qualified to oversee a police department
[1:35:58] and and manage the day-to-day
[1:36:00] activities?" And I think the answer to
[1:36:01] that is no. Second, I'm curious as to
[1:36:05] why both of the commissioners saying
[1:36:07] Cullinin's interest and involvement in
[1:36:09] local politics was more important than
[1:36:11] that candidate's credentials and
[1:36:13] experience in that field.
[1:36:16] I also see this change as a blow to
[1:36:18] employee morale. No employee should have
[1:36:21] to answer to two commissioners when it
[1:36:23] comes to their daily duties. Handing
[1:36:26] this authority over to the commissioner
[1:36:27] of public property is effectively
[1:36:29] creating a situation in which the
[1:36:32] inspectors, the city clerk's office, and
[1:36:34] the police department will be under the
[1:36:36] control of two commissioners.
[1:36:40] Last but not least, in the short time
[1:36:42] that Austin has been a commissioner, he
[1:36:44] has presented himself as someone who
[1:36:45] makes decisions based on best practices
[1:36:48] and what's truly in the best interest
[1:36:50] for the city and its residents. He does
[1:36:53] his research. His decisions are
[1:36:55] fact-based and fair. In my time spent
[1:36:58] with Austin, when he was presented with
[1:37:01] any possible situation requiring
[1:37:03] enforcement, his first question to me
[1:37:05] always was, "What does code say?" He
[1:37:07] didn't ask who made the complaint, and
[1:37:10] he didn't ask whose property, who owned
[1:37:12] the property. He wanted to know what the
[1:37:14] code said and how we address it. That's
[1:37:19] not always been true. I could rattle off
[1:37:22] the halfozen instances when in the last
[1:37:24] two years politics entered into
[1:37:27] enforcement decisions.
[1:37:29] As someone who is part of the process of
[1:37:31] writing the land development code, who
[1:37:34] served at the zoning administrator, and
[1:37:36] who firmly believes in maintaining the
[1:37:39] quality of our neighborhoods, I ask you
[1:37:41] to vote no. This change does not benefit
[1:37:44] the citizens of Bulglesby. And honestly,
[1:37:47] I think it's political bullying and
[1:37:49] power grabbing.
[1:37:51] Commissioner McDermott.
[1:37:53] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:37:54] >> I'm going to specifically ask you to
[1:37:56] consider your vote. I'm not sure that
[1:37:58] you truly understand the power that
[1:38:00] [clears throat] you have right now.
[1:38:06] I ask you to ask yourself how this
[1:38:08] change benefits the residents of
[1:38:10] Oglesby. Please co keep code enforcement
[1:38:13] free from politics and personal agendas.
[1:38:16] If you believe that maintaining
[1:38:18] properties should be a priority, then
[1:38:20] rather than vote for this ordinance,
[1:38:22] support the building inspectors, city
[1:38:24] clerk's office, and the police
[1:38:26] department by allowing them to do their
[1:38:28] jobs.
[1:38:30] >> Thank you.
[1:38:31] Appreciate that.
[1:38:33] >> Are there any other public comments on
[1:38:35] agenda items only?
[1:38:38] >> Seeing none, we'll move on. Number five,
[1:38:40] approve minutes from the December 15th,
[1:38:42] 2025 regular meeting. If there's no
[1:38:44] additions, corrections, or
[1:38:45] modifications, can I get a motion to
[1:38:46] approve the minutes?
[1:38:53] Uh, if we're not going to approve the
[1:38:54] minutes, do we need to table them?
[1:38:57] Is everybody exhausted because we had an
[1:38:58] executive session before?
[1:39:01] I need to either table something.
[1:39:02] >> I'll make a motion that we table them.
[1:39:05] >> Second.
[1:39:06] >> Okay, we're tableabling minutes. Uh,
[1:39:07] roll call, please.
[1:39:09] >> Aldrich.
[1:39:09] >> Hi.
[1:39:10] >> Colin.
[1:39:12] >> I. McDermott
[1:39:13] >> I
[1:39:14] >> Moy
[1:39:15] >> I
[1:39:15] >> Curran
[1:39:16] >> I not sure what we're tableling but okay
[1:39:20] six approve minutes from the October 6th
[1:39:22] October 20th November 17th December 1st
[1:39:24] and December 15th 2025 executive session
[1:39:27] if there's no additions corrections or
[1:39:28] modifications. Can I get a motion to
[1:39:30] approve the executive session minutes?
[1:39:32] >> I apologize but I've yet to be able to
[1:39:35] those and take notice of them. Uh I did
[1:39:38] put it on the agenda for an alternative
[1:39:39] solution possibly. Okay.
[1:39:41] >> Um, for that reason, I would like to
[1:39:42] table the passage of the minutes.
[1:39:45] >> I'll second [clears throat] that.
[1:39:46] >> All right. More than one person feels
[1:39:48] they need to table them.
[1:39:50] >> I get a motion to uh approve tableling.
[1:39:53] >> Baldridge.
[1:39:54] >> I sorry. Roll call. I'm sorry.
[1:39:56] >> Calvin.
[1:39:56] >> I.
[1:39:57] >> McDermott.
[1:39:58] >> I.
[1:39:58] >> Moy.
[1:39:59] >> I.
[1:39:59] >> Currin.
[1:40:00] >> I.
[1:40:01] >> Number seven. Approve bills presented
[1:40:03] for payment in the amount of
[1:40:04] 1,430,535.90.
[1:40:08] If there's no additions, corrections, or
[1:40:10] modifications, can we get a motion to
[1:40:12] approve the build? I imagine you're
[1:40:13] going to explain.
[1:40:14] >> Yeah. So, it's a viscering payment. Um,
[1:40:17] the way the loan works uh is basically
[1:40:20] that we pay visering and then we get the
[1:40:23] loan dispersed back to us from um the
[1:40:25] IEPA. So, um that's kind of an odd
[1:40:30] format, but that's how it works. Um and
[1:40:32] then the other big thing is just our
[1:40:33] IMEA payment. So,
[1:40:35] >> we're going to have that happen numerous
[1:40:37] more time. Any Ross, any idea how many
[1:40:39] more times that's going to happen?
[1:40:40] a lot of times,
[1:40:41] right?
[1:40:42] >> This is the third pay, sorry, the fourth
[1:40:45] pay
[1:40:46] process right now and we're 15% of the
[1:40:49] way through the job.
[1:40:50] >> So, it's going to happen a lot more
[1:40:51] times. Maybe something for the future.
[1:40:53] We maybe we want to separate those
[1:40:54] because that does look weird without an
[1:40:56] explanation. So, but for now, we can
[1:40:57] approve them if that's good.
[1:40:59] >> Those funds have already been dispersed
[1:41:01] to the city.
[1:41:02] >> I know.
[1:41:02] >> So, those funds are being used
[1:41:05] Yeah,
[1:41:05] >> that's why I'm wondering if maybe a
[1:41:06] different way to present it may make it
[1:41:08] a little less confusing then. So, but
[1:41:10] can I get a motion to approve the bills?
[1:41:12] >> Uh, I will motion that we approve bills
[1:41:15] presented for payment in the amount of
[1:41:16] 1,396,326.86
[1:41:20] » 400 the new one.
[1:41:21] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm looking at the
[1:41:23] old agenda. That's my bad. Uh, I will
[1:41:25] motion that we approve bills presented
[1:41:27] for payment in the amount of
[1:41:28] $1,430,535.90.
[1:41:31] Thank you.
[1:41:32] >> I'll second that motion. Roll call,
[1:41:34] please.
[1:41:34] >> Baldrich.
[1:41:35] >> Hi.
[1:41:36] >> Cullinin.
[1:41:37] >> Hi.
[1:41:37] >> McDermott.
[1:41:38] >> I.
[1:41:38] >> Moy.
[1:41:39] >> I.
[1:41:39] >> Currin.
[1:41:40] >> I. Number eight. Approve payroll for
[1:41:42] December 19th, 2025 in the amount of
[1:41:44] $64,48747.
[1:41:47] If there's no additions or corrections
[1:41:48] or modifications. Can I get a motion to
[1:41:49] approve the payroll?
[1:41:51] >> I will motion that we approve payroll
[1:41:52] for December 19th, 2025 in the amount of
[1:41:55] $64,48747.
[1:41:59] » I'll second.
[1:42:00] >> Roll call, please.
[1:42:01] >> Baldridge.
[1:42:02] >> Hi.
[1:42:02] >> Colin in. I
[1:42:03] >> McDermott. [clears throat]
[1:42:04] >> Hi
[1:42:04] >> Moy.
[1:42:05] >> Hi
[1:42:05] >> Curran.
[1:42:06] >> Hi. Number nine, old business. A
[1:42:08] discussion and possible action on
[1:42:10] ordinance returning building and
[1:42:12] electrical inspectors to electric
[1:42:13] commissioner Baldridge.
[1:42:16] >> Uh it's my understanding that we've
[1:42:18] already discussed and uh voiced our
[1:42:21] opinions on the passage of the
[1:42:22] ordinance. We expected the attorney to
[1:42:24] draft the ordinance and uh I believe
[1:42:26] that's what's on the agenda tonight is
[1:42:28] to pass or not pass the ordinance.
[1:42:31] >> Okay. I'll go around the room. My
[1:42:33] comments.
[1:42:34] >> Yeah, that's my question, too. Do we
[1:42:36] have the ordinance?
[1:42:36] >> We had the ordinance.
[1:42:37] >> Yeah, I sent it to Jen on Friday. I
[1:42:39] don't know.
[1:42:40] >> I put it in the drive.
[1:42:43] >> I saw ordinances maybe.
[1:42:45] >> It was at the end of the day when I
[1:42:47] finally got it done. But
[1:42:48] >> yeah.
[1:42:49] >> Um
[1:42:50] >> Yeah, I see ordinances for the variance,
[1:42:52] but I don't see ordinances for that. So,
[1:42:55] >> I can I can send I can go get it.
[1:42:58] >> I have it here, Jen, if you need it
[1:42:59] quickly.
[1:43:00] >> Yeah. How's it read?
[1:43:02] >> I will uh
[1:43:04] I'll speak my two cents on it. So, um at
[1:43:08] the last meeting, I I voiced really my
[1:43:10] main concern with it, which is kind of
[1:43:12] the process um uh that was kind of taken
[1:43:18] to get to this point. Um I do think and
[1:43:22] I I think it's rather evident that um
[1:43:26] there is uh some degree of political
[1:43:29] tension uh in the city of Ogulby. Uh and
[1:43:33] I think uh this is a good example of
[1:43:36] that. The fact that something like this
[1:43:38] was placed on the agenda, nothing was
[1:43:40] said to me about it. Um you know, I I
[1:43:43] would have at least appreciated a heads
[1:43:44] up. Um, but I also think, um, kind of
[1:43:49] alluding to what Becky said, and I'll
[1:43:51] mention this again earlier, but I I
[1:43:53] think just kind of willy-nilly changing
[1:43:55] things, um, is a symptom of dysfunction,
[1:44:00] which the previous council had started.
[1:44:03] Uh, and so I I don't like that. But I
[1:44:06] will talk about a few other things. Um
[1:44:09] Becky touched on uh some of them, but
[1:44:12] again uh moving another commissioner
[1:44:15] into oversight of people working in city
[1:44:18] hall uh further clouds boundaries
[1:44:20] between commissioners. And we've already
[1:44:22] had kind of a number of uh scuffles that
[1:44:26] have happened behind the scenes about um
[1:44:29] whose responsibilities are whose
[1:44:31] responsibilities and I don't think
[1:44:33] making that more confusing is
[1:44:35] necessarily a good idea. Um,
[1:44:38] additionally, um, I had actually the day
[1:44:42] before, and I mentioned this at the last
[1:44:44] meeting, um, the day before this was
[1:44:46] placed on the agenda, I had sent out an
[1:44:48] invite, and I granted I should have done
[1:44:50] it earlier, um, but I had sent out an
[1:44:53] invite to, um, the building inspector,
[1:44:56] Commissioner Moy, uh, Chief Margus, uh,
[1:45:00] to sit down and and discuss, uh,
[1:45:02] enforcement of building code and city
[1:45:05] ordinances. is
[1:45:07] >> I I had that meeting
[1:45:10] >> uh with uh Burton uh our building
[1:45:12] inspector and uh only Burton on I
[1:45:16] believe it was the 29th of December. Um
[1:45:19] and uh what Burton and I discussed uh
[1:45:22] was a process because I I think there's
[1:45:25] two big things at play here and why uh
[1:45:29] certain building codes aren't being
[1:45:31] enforced. I think it's a combination
[1:45:33] historically of politics, but more
[1:45:35] recently of uh process. I guess there's
[1:45:38] not a I don't think there's um a a good
[1:45:42] process in place to actually um identify
[1:45:46] remedy these uh building code
[1:45:49] violations. And so I'll actually show
[1:45:51] you um something that I pieced together.
[1:45:54] Um I have mentioned um that I am in the
[1:45:57] midst of trying to migrate the city uh
[1:46:02] to
[1:46:03] um Microsoft. Uh and I I think there's a
[1:46:06] good reason for it. Um the we currently
[1:46:09] have for email, but we don't really have
[1:46:13] uh the suite of Office 365 uh products.
[1:46:17] I'm not there yet. The suite of Office
[1:46:19] 365 products that would make this
[1:46:21] relatively seamless. Uh we have
[1:46:24] basically our emails. We have a
[1:46:25] perpetual license in the office for um
[1:46:28] office 2014 which lacks these features
[1:46:31] and I I really do think um this
[1:46:35] getting this down would really move us
[1:46:37] into 2026. Um it's kind of industry
[1:46:40] standard but let me pull this up for
[1:46:42] you.
[1:46:45] So, one of the things I did here, um,
[1:46:48] and this is something that I've talked
[1:46:50] about before, um, is there absolutely
[1:46:53] needs to be some sort of a universal
[1:46:57] form that people can submit, um, that
[1:47:00] everybody, well, everybody who uh, needs
[1:47:04] to know about a ordinance, building code
[1:47:07] violation, whatever, everybody can see.
[1:47:11] Okay. Um, as I I think I might have said
[1:47:14] at a previous meeting, um, that people
[1:47:17] on the council were curious about
[1:47:19] building permits, uh, and you know, when
[1:47:23] who's filing building permits, what are
[1:47:25] they filing them for, when are they
[1:47:26] filing them, whatever. We moved that
[1:47:28] over to the cloud to Excel. Um, and now
[1:47:32] everybody can see that at just a click
[1:47:35] on their phone. Um, they can they can
[1:47:37] see all of that. And I really think we
[1:47:39] need something similar for this. And so
[1:47:41] what I did was I put together a code
[1:47:43] violation form. Um, and this would be
[1:47:45] universal. It'd be used by every
[1:47:47] department. Uh, but basically what you
[1:47:49] do is you select your type of complaint,
[1:47:51] whether it's a building, electrical
[1:47:52] complaint, a plumbing complaint, an
[1:47:54] ordinance complaint, a zoning violation,
[1:47:55] whatever. You type in the location of
[1:47:58] the complaint. You have the option to
[1:48:00] leave contact information so the person
[1:48:03] who's investigating the complaint can
[1:48:05] follow it up or can follow up on it with
[1:48:07] you. um because they'll likely need more
[1:48:09] information. And then you have uh you
[1:48:13] have to provide information on what
[1:48:15] exactly it is uh that is the basis of
[1:48:17] your complaint. And so what happens is
[1:48:20] and this is the beauty of for all of the
[1:48:24] negative things about you know AI and
[1:48:27] automation and whatever this is one of
[1:48:29] the beauties of living in uh 2026 is you
[1:48:34] can actually put together using
[1:48:35] Microsoft's Power Automate tool. Um,
[1:48:38] it's an automation tool. Um, you can
[1:48:41] actually put a flow together where when
[1:48:43] a new response is submitted, uh, the
[1:48:46] Excel spreadsheet that this is linked
[1:48:48] to, which I'll show you in a sec, uh,
[1:48:50] pulls that information into it. And so
[1:48:53] that Excel spreadsheet is what everybody
[1:48:55] can see, that Excel spreadsheet pulls
[1:48:57] this information into it from the forms
[1:48:59] and it's there and it's visible and
[1:49:02] nobody has to manually input it. And
[1:49:04] then better yet, um when you select uh
[1:49:07] building, electrical, plumbing, zoning,
[1:49:10] whatever, um it will this switch down
[1:49:13] here, it will send an automatic email uh
[1:49:16] to whoseever uh area of concern it is.
[1:49:20] And so if you put a building electrical
[1:49:22] complaint in, it will send an automatic
[1:49:24] email to Burton Levens, our building
[1:49:26] electrical inspector. Uh if you put in a
[1:49:30] uh plumbing thing, it'll send it to Alt.
[1:49:32] If you send if you put in an ordinance
[1:49:33] thing, general ordinance thing, it will
[1:49:35] send it to the police department. Okay.
[1:49:37] Uh and so all automated reduces the
[1:49:41] amount of paperwork that people have to
[1:49:42] do. And I'll actually show you uh the
[1:49:45] Excel sheet as well. This is uh this is
[1:49:48] what it would look like on our end. Uh
[1:49:50] this is what the how the information
[1:49:52] would be provided to us or presented to
[1:49:54] us. Uh basically when it comes in I
[1:49:57] actually filled out one for my house
[1:49:58] just I don't think there's any
[1:50:00] complaints but you know uh just as an
[1:50:02] example uh it comes in automatically uh
[1:50:05] it gets put in as an automatic input
[1:50:07] method. You can actually add manual uh
[1:50:10] entries to it by selecting this drop
[1:50:12] down here and putting manual. Uh if you
[1:50:15] if somebody calls in calls it in doesn't
[1:50:17] fill out the form. There's the status of
[1:50:20] it, the date that it was submitted, the
[1:50:22] type of complaint it is, and this uh
[1:50:24] basically the way the automation works
[1:50:26] is whatever it says in here, it sends
[1:50:28] that email to whoever's area of concern
[1:50:30] it is. The location of the complaint, contact information, the
[1:50:34] complaint information, that's all stuff
[1:50:36] that's from the form automatically
[1:50:38] populated into the Excel spreadsheet.
[1:50:41] Okay? And then there's form there's a
[1:50:43] few fields here or a few columns here uh
[1:50:46] for the actual person who's tasked with
[1:50:48] investigating the violation to fill out.
[1:50:50] So data first contact with complaint the
[1:50:53] complainty response was action taken yes
[1:50:56] or no they can put down the applicable
[1:50:58] ordinance uh and then they list a
[1:51:00] follow-up date. They list a solution and
[1:51:02] then they can also add administrative
[1:51:04] notes. And so what I did here was I went
[1:51:07] on Lasal County property tax assessor's
[1:51:10] website or whatever and I just took a
[1:51:11] picture of my house. I uploaded it to
[1:51:14] one drive. I created a sharable link and
[1:51:17] uh just for documentation for evidence
[1:51:20] you can actually it will link you to
[1:51:23] that picture. Uh and so or whatever
[1:51:26] pictures you can link it to a folder and
[1:51:28] it will show multiple images. Okay. Um,
[1:51:31] and so we've taken the first steps on
[1:51:34] this and yeah, granted I probably could
[1:51:36] have taken them earlier. I that's that's
[1:51:38] fine. That's a fair point. Whatever. Um,
[1:51:41] but the the steps have been taken. And
[1:51:44] frankly, had this not ever been placed
[1:51:46] on the agenda, since I did take action
[1:51:48] on this the day before it was placed on
[1:51:50] the agenda, we could have already had a
[1:51:52] resolution to this. We could have all
[1:51:54] been on the same page. I could have I
[1:51:55] could have met with Commissioner Moy in
[1:51:57] the police department and we could have
[1:51:59] moved on this sooner than we are now
[1:52:01] because we have to decide ultimately
[1:52:03] whose department it's it's going to be.
[1:52:06] Um the
[1:52:09] I mean that's that's basically all I
[1:52:11] have to say about it. Um I'll yield my
[1:52:14] time. So
[1:52:15] >> Okay,
[1:52:17] Commissioner B,
[1:52:18] >> thank you foring your time. It
[1:52:19] >> was very [laughter] good. It was very
[1:52:20] good. Um, no. And I think that's great
[1:52:23] administrative stuff. I don't think that would the oversight would change
[1:52:27] that. I mean, your guys's role wouldn't
[1:52:30] change as far as accepting building
[1:52:31] permits, accepting fees, processing
[1:52:33] those, and getting them to Burton. It's
[1:52:36] just if there's a complaint about a
[1:52:38] building permit thing, wouldn't someone
[1:52:41] who has more construction background be
[1:52:43] the appropriate person to discuss that?
[1:52:46] I didn't when I made my change, I didn't
[1:52:48] expect that Rich would be in there.
[1:52:50] bossing around the girls in the office.
[1:52:53] It would all be flowed just like it is
[1:52:55] now. I mean, are you involved in the
[1:52:57] day-to-day every time an building
[1:52:59] permits issued that you're assigning it
[1:53:02] to Burton?
[1:53:04] >> No.
[1:53:04] I mean, it just kind of
[1:53:06] automatically flows that way. And if
[1:53:08] there's an issue, then it would go to
[1:53:10] the person who has the construction
[1:53:11] knowledge.
[1:53:12] >> I can I respond?
[1:53:14] >> Yeah.
[1:53:14] >> Okay. What I would say um about that is
[1:53:18] um at the last meeting um Commissioner
[1:53:21] Baldridge uh said something very
[1:53:23] similar. He admitted that it comes down
[1:53:25] to who has the knowledge in the given
[1:53:27] situation, but then he referenced a
[1:53:29] situation with the property on Watson
[1:53:31] where he said all of us, this was his
[1:53:34] quote, "Look stupid because none of us
[1:53:36] knew what we were talking about." And he
[1:53:38] said, "Well, it's better to have me in
[1:53:40] there who at least knows a little bit
[1:53:42] about it." And so I mean what I would
[1:53:45] say in that case is I I think and it's
[1:53:48] no fault of Commissioner Baldridge. We
[1:53:51] all have our our you know things that
[1:53:53] we're experts in and I'm sure you know
[1:53:55] more about concrete than Burton does. Uh
[1:53:58] but what I would say though is I think
[1:54:01] as far as
[1:54:03] uh the totality of uh the building code
[1:54:08] I I think Burton and really structures
[1:54:11] and whatever else. I I would think that
[1:54:14] Burton probably knows a lot more than
[1:54:16] you and I just I don't know how exactly
[1:54:19] you'd be a check on [clears throat]
[1:54:20] that. So
[1:54:21] >> just want to make sure that we keep
[1:54:22] going around. Everybody gets first. Did
[1:54:24] you have any more that you wanted to
[1:54:26] >> You asked a question, I think, or
[1:54:27] something.
[1:54:28] >> That was
[1:54:28] >> You were good.
[1:54:29] >> No, I'm good.
[1:54:31] >> Okay. Commissioner McG, [clears throat]
[1:54:33] >> um I'm going to ask, do you have the uh
[1:54:37] sewer and water
[1:54:39] the paper that was Aaron handed you the
[1:54:41] other day?
[1:54:42] >> I do. I'm going to read I'll read that
[1:54:43] when I get to my thing.
[1:54:44] >> Well, that's the reason why I'm asking.
[1:54:46] >> You want me to read it now for you?
[1:54:47] >> Well, if you would, please.
[1:54:49] >> Sure. under the um street and water
[1:54:52] commissioner. It it says this in one of
[1:54:55] the lines of all ordinances,
[1:54:57] resolutions, rules, and regulations
[1:54:59] pertaining to the water department, the
[1:55:00] sewer department, the street department,
[1:55:02] and the plumbing inspector, and the
[1:55:03] commissioner may prescribe and enforce
[1:55:05] any other rules and regulations in order
[1:55:07] to work toward the efficient and
[1:55:09] economical management of the department,
[1:55:11] not in conflict with any law ordinance
[1:55:13] or resolution. So, it does say the word
[1:55:15] plumbing inspector in there. It is not
[1:55:17] under
[1:55:19] >> that person though.
[1:55:20] >> The daybyday operation goes through to
[1:55:22] finance. Is that correct?
[1:55:26] >> I'm sorry. You're asking me. What are
[1:55:28] you asking me?
[1:55:28] >> The dayby-day financing part of it goes
[1:55:31] through to finance. Correct.
[1:55:32] >> Yeah.
[1:55:34] >> I would suggest that that needs to be
[1:55:36] put in there and then even with the
[1:55:39] electric department be the same.
[1:55:42] >> You see what I'm saying? A day
[1:55:44] [clears throat] by day.
[1:55:46] the finance and is doing the plumbing
[1:55:50] and water and everything else.
[1:55:52] >> Correct.
[1:55:53] >> The only time I get involved is when
[1:55:56] it's directly an issue
[1:55:58] >> when when something ties into a private
[1:56:00] plumbing thing into that. That's so
[1:56:03] there's a little bit there is some
[1:56:04] relation to that. I'm going to talk
[1:56:05] about that a little bit, but
[1:56:06] >> well that's where I'm getting at. That's
[1:56:08] where I think
[1:56:09] >> that's what I was trying to make the
[1:56:10] argument last time is the the
[1:56:12] departments don't have anything to do
[1:56:14] with the inspectors.
[1:56:15] >> See, that was recently brought up to my
[1:56:16] attention and I think that needs to be
[1:56:19] in there.
[1:56:22] » Well, I'm sorry. What? What needs
[1:56:24] >> I think that that needs that's what
[1:56:25] needs to be in there. That was recently
[1:56:26] brought up to my attention
[1:56:29] >> earlier today about the dayby-day
[1:56:32] functions should be in there.
[1:56:35] Pat
[1:56:38] I don't want to interject but just based
[1:56:40] on the day
[1:56:40] >> by day functions is operated by the
[1:56:42] finance the only time I get in there
[1:56:44] >> daytoday functions of what Mac
[1:56:47] >> the building plumbing inspectors and
[1:56:49] everything else the only way I get
[1:56:51] involved is if there's an actual
[1:56:52] >> can you share that
[1:56:53] >> confrontation
[1:56:54] >> I'm not sure
[1:56:55] >> that's just the case I just I don't know
[1:56:57] >> read it again
[1:57:00] » and is this a code section
[1:57:02] >> this is it's it's the code se this is
[1:57:04] just a snippet But it's the code section
[1:57:06] underneath the uh the the street and
[1:57:09] water commissioner
[1:57:11] >> u is what it says public whatever it is
[1:57:13] public improvement your your spot that's
[1:57:15] what it says that's the only mention of
[1:57:16] the word public plumbing inspector
[1:57:18] >> right
[1:57:19] >> is what I'm saying
[1:57:20] >> but the dayby-day operation goes through
[1:57:22] finance
[1:57:24] >> see what I'm getting at
[1:57:26] >> I don't I don't either office
[1:57:28] >> I don't either
[1:57:29] >> day by day operation
[1:57:30] >> daybyday operation goes through finance
[1:57:31] somebody comes in here and wants a
[1:57:32] plumbing license or inspected, it goes
[1:57:35] through that office.
[1:57:36] >> He does not involve the go any correct
[1:57:40] office and that wouldn't change
[1:57:41] >> what I'm argument right here is that I'm
[1:57:44] taking it out of the clerk's office and
[1:57:46] that's not a valid argument.
[1:57:48] >> That's what I'm trying to get at.
[1:57:50] >> Well, I'll
[1:57:52] leave it at that. You go ahead and do
[1:57:54] your thing, Rich. So,
[1:57:55] >> do Rich Let do his and then
[1:57:57] >> He did his. That's why he went first.
[1:57:59] >> You done with yours?
[1:58:00] >> He went first. Um, okay. So, I was going
[1:58:02] to read this, but the funny thing is
[1:58:04] Becky actually I hate to read that, but
[1:58:06] I I put it all together and I took out
[1:58:08] all the bad words. So, I feel like I
[1:58:09] still want to read it, but Becky
[1:58:11] actually touched on at least 50% of what
[1:58:12] I what I was going to write here. So, um
[1:58:15] let me read [clears throat] it. Before
[1:58:16] we get into opinions, I want to start
[1:58:17] with some factual correction because
[1:58:18] accuracy matters. The agenda states the
[1:58:20] proposal would return inspection
[1:58:22] services to the electric department.
[1:58:24] That is not correct. Inspection services
[1:58:26] in the city has never been under the
[1:58:27] electric department. Historically, they
[1:58:29] reported directly to the mayor's office.
[1:58:31] During this administration and with some
[1:58:33] extensive talks with Commissioner
[1:58:34] Stephanelli, um where did I say? Um I
[1:58:38] agreed to move them under the accounts
[1:58:40] and finance commissioner at least
[1:58:42] functionally because that department
[1:58:43] already manages the building permit
[1:58:45] process, plan review fees, compliance
[1:58:47] tracking and records. So keep in mind
[1:58:49] they are still not in the ordinance of
[1:58:51] the finance commissioner. They just
[1:58:53] happen to be in that department they
[1:58:54] work with the most. Also, the words
[1:58:56] plumbing inspector do appear in the
[1:58:58] street commissioner ordinance, but they
[1:59:00] don't report to him what it says. And I
[1:59:02] quote, "Of all ordinances, resolutions,
[1:59:05] rules, and regulations pertaining to the
[1:59:07] water department, the the sewer
[1:59:08] department and the street department and
[1:59:10] the plumbing inspector and the
[1:59:11] commissioner may prescribe and enforce
[1:59:13] any other rules and regulations in order
[1:59:14] to work with towards the efficient and
[1:59:16] economical management of the department
[1:59:18] not in conflict with conflict with any
[1:59:19] law, ordinance or resolution. So to be
[1:59:21] clear, this proposal is not a return to
[1:59:23] a previous structure. It would be new
[1:59:25] and unprecedented change. What
[1:59:27] inspectors actually do? It's also
[1:59:29] important to clearly define the roles of
[1:59:30] our inspectors. Building, plumbing, and
[1:59:32] electrical inspectors oversee private
[1:59:34] property construction. They enforce
[1:59:36] building codes, electric codes, plumbing
[1:59:38] codes, and permit compliance. They do
[1:59:40] not inspect city-owned electric
[1:59:42] infrastructure. They do not inspect
[1:59:44] substations, transmission lines, or
[1:59:46] municipal electrical systems. They do
[1:59:48] not oversee electric department
[1:59:49] operations. The electric department's
[1:59:51] work and the inspector's work operate in
[1:59:53] entirely different spheres. Because of
[1:59:56] that, placing inspectors under the
[1:59:57] electric department does not improve
[1:59:59] oversight, efficiency, or compliance,
[2:00:01] and it raises legitimate concerns about
[2:00:02] independence and organizational
[2:00:04] alignment. addressing the experience
[2:00:06] argument. There's also been an argument
[2:00:07] made that this change is justified based
[2:00:09] on personal construction and building
[2:00:11] and trades experience of our electric
[2:00:12] commissioner having not x amount of
[2:00:15] defined years experience but more years
[2:00:17] of experience than another council has
[2:00:19] been alive. I find that to be more of an
[2:00:21] attack on someone's age than their
[2:00:23] actual knowledge. Experience absolutely
[2:00:26] does have value. But inspection
[2:00:28] oversight is not governed by the tenure
[2:00:30] alone. It is governed by code
[2:00:31] enforcement principles, administrative
[2:00:33] controls, permitting workflows, legal
[2:00:35] defensibility and independence from
[2:00:36] operational departments. There are
[2:00:38] nationally recognized qualifications
[2:00:39] that exist specifically to define
[2:00:41] competency in construction management
[2:00:43] and inspection oversight and including
[2:00:45] and I got these from Google and chat
[2:00:48] GPT. Uh first one certified construction
[2:00:52] manager CCM by the way super impressive
[2:00:55] uh certification very specific though.
[2:00:57] Next one, project management
[2:00:58] professional, PMP, ICC building and
[2:01:01] electrical inspector cert certification,
[2:01:03] certified building official, CBO, and
[2:01:05] professional engineer. Interestingly
[2:01:07] enough, if you looked at how these were
[2:01:09] ranked, uh Google even put uh PMP on
[2:01:12] top, which is interesting because we
[2:01:15] have somebody up at this uh on this
[2:01:16] council that has one of those, right?
[2:01:19] That happens to be me.
[2:01:22] So I I I actually think, believe it or
[2:01:25] not, Google has it wrong. C CCM is
[2:01:28] probably way more than the PMP, but I'm
[2:01:30] not going to argue with Google if it's
[2:01:31] saying I know what I'm talking about.
[2:01:33] But that's all right. That said, that
[2:01:35] said, this is not about credentials or
[2:01:36] personalities. It's about structure,
[2:01:38] precedent, and sound governance.
[2:01:41] Competence. This is where the real crux
[2:01:42] of everything should lie. Competence is
[2:01:44] a hard thing to try to ever guarantee
[2:01:46] with elected officials, but our last
[2:01:48] person in the role had a high very high
[2:01:50] degree of competence in this area. I
[2:01:52] even had this written before I knew
[2:01:53] you'd be in the audience. In fact, I
[2:01:55] think he did a pretty good job. In
[2:01:57] almost the seven years I've been on the
[2:01:58] council, we really had only one major
[2:02:00] thing messed up with the building
[2:02:01] inspection related stuff. At least to
[2:02:03] the point where we had to issue out a
[2:02:05] settlement. Here's the funny thing.
[2:02:07] Based on the complications of the
[2:02:08] circumstances, I don't even blame the
[2:02:10] past commissioner for those errors. I
[2:02:12] mean, I would prefer to have have him
[2:02:13] perhaps handle it a little differently
[2:02:15] or a little better, but I can't
[2:02:16] complain. He saw an issue and he did a
[2:02:19] lot of work in the clerk's office to fix
[2:02:21] the issue from ever being able to happen
[2:02:23] again. Bravo. I say this because when
[2:02:26] that air happened, no other commissioner
[2:02:28] came in and said, "Hey, because of that
[2:02:29] mistake, I want to take charge of the
[2:02:31] inspectors." Now, flash forward to our
[2:02:33] new commissioner. He has not had any
[2:02:35] issues with any building permits or
[2:02:36] inspectors in the 10 months he's been
[2:02:38] doing the job. In fact, he's worked
[2:02:39] extra hard to make changes to fix things
[2:02:41] for even better as you could see by the
[2:02:45] very long detailed explanation that we
[2:02:48] had on the screen here. Um, so my point
[2:02:50] is he has done a lot of efforts and work
[2:02:52] to try to improve the process and this
[2:02:55] is before items have even become an
[2:02:57] issue. So to me that's demonstrated more
[2:03:00] than adequate competence to not make a
[2:03:02] change to how this is handled currently
[2:03:04] where inspectors should report. So this
[2:03:06] decision should be straightforward. We
[2:03:07] can leave inspectors where they are
[2:03:09] integrated with the permitting and
[2:03:10] finance functions that are already
[2:03:11] support their work or if a change is
[2:03:13] truly necessary, return to the structure
[2:03:15] that has existed for decades, maybe even
[2:03:18] a hundred years with inspectors
[2:03:19] reporting to the mayor's office, which
[2:03:21] they technically do now. What does not
[2:03:23] make any sense in moving inspectors
[2:03:25] under department they do not inspect,
[2:03:27] they do not support, and whose
[2:03:28] operational responsibilities are
[2:03:30] unrelated to private construction
[2:03:32] compliance. That approach does not align
[2:03:34] with best practices and does not improve
[2:03:36] accountability. Closing. For those
[2:03:37] reasons, I do not support moving the
[2:03:39] inspection services under the electric
[2:03:40] department. On top of that, you'd be
[2:03:42] separating it from the plumbing anyways.
[2:03:44] I believe the current structure works.
[2:03:45] And if this body believes a change must
[2:03:47] be made, the only historical, accurate,
[2:03:49] and logically consistent alternative is
[2:03:50] returning inspection oversight to the
[2:03:52] mayor's office. This decision should be
[2:03:53] based on facts, function, and
[2:03:54] governance, not disagreements between
[2:03:56] departments. So, that's my two cents.
[2:03:59] So, I think everybody's had a chance to
[2:04:00] talk once. Does somebody else want to
[2:04:02] chat again?
[2:04:04] >> Good. I'd like to make a motion to pass
[2:04:06] ordinance number 137-10526.
[2:04:12] » There's a motion to pass it. Is there a
[2:04:16] second?
[2:04:16] >> I'll second. But can I I guess I want to
[2:04:19] talk again, but can I encourage
[2:04:22] Commissioner Baldridge and Colin to work
[2:04:24] together because I think that
[2:04:25] [clears throat] Colinin does bring a lot
[2:04:26] to table with recordkeeping and
[2:04:28] administrative functions. And I don't
[2:04:31] when I'm doing this I'm not expecting
[2:04:32] those functions to leave the oversight
[2:04:35] of Austin.
[2:04:35] >> So you there you go.
[2:04:37] >> Let me answer let me answer your first
[2:04:38] question. So your first question is um
[2:04:40] can you still talk about after emotions
[2:04:42] are made? This came up last time.
[2:04:43] Technically yes because you're supposed
[2:04:45] to have a a closed debate if you if
[2:04:48] somebody still wanted
[2:04:49] >> motion. Correct.
[2:04:50] >> You second the motion. So I don't know
[2:04:51] why you seconded. No, I I screwed.
[2:04:53] >> But technically, [laughter] if the two
[2:04:54] get seconded and you still had um a
[2:04:57] supermajority that still wants to talk
[2:04:58] about it,
[2:04:59] >> you can still discuss.
[2:04:59] >> You could still discuss it. So So you
[2:05:01] made the motion, you've second it
[2:05:03] >> and I want to thank you because that was
[2:05:05] a thing that I kind of got reinfor and
[2:05:08] it seemed like I did something wrong and
[2:05:10] I even I didn't.
[2:05:12] >> So let So let me explain. If you Okay,
[2:05:14] let me back up on this. If you look at
[2:05:16] Pure Robert's rules of order, Pure
[2:05:17] Robert rules of order do say that you
[2:05:19] make a motion and you make a second and
[2:05:22] then you debate the item. That is not
[2:05:24] our standard practice here. Our standard
[2:05:26] practice is that we debate the item,
[2:05:27] talk about it and stuff like that and
[2:05:29] then when action's ready, we make a
[2:05:30] motion. So that's why if somebody still
[2:05:32] makes a motion and the majority still
[2:05:34] wants to talk about it, you have that
[2:05:35] right. So there's a motion, there's a
[2:05:36] second, but if there's something that
[2:05:37] anybody else wants to add on, you
[2:05:39] absolutely can do that until a motion is
[2:05:40] made to close the debate. I will add I I
[2:05:43] appreciate your sentiments. Um all I'm
[2:05:46] saying is I will provide
[2:05:49] uh I will assist with the recordkeeping
[2:05:52] uh the tech technological aspect of it.
[2:05:55] But as far as actually
[2:05:58] uh enforcement,
[2:06:00] >> I'm I'm not part of that anymore. That's that's Rich's obligation. So I
[2:06:06] I'm you know uh if I if I have the power
[2:06:11] you know I I'll deal with the with the
[2:06:13] you know the political possible
[2:06:15] political push back but I'm removing
[2:06:18] myself from that um if if I don't have
[2:06:21] this power and that will be Rich's uh
[2:06:24] burden to bear but I will certainly help
[2:06:26] him actually get the stuff done.
[2:06:28] >> And that was kind of why I was like I
[2:06:29] don't know why you're com
[2:06:31] >> oh no
[2:06:31] >> against it because quite honestly it's a
[2:06:33] headache. So,
[2:06:34] >> well, it's yes, it's it's not something
[2:06:37] anybody should envy. Um, but I will
[2:06:39] certainly assist Rich Rich with um um
[2:06:43] the administrative portions of it, but
[2:06:45] I'm not actually going to and I
[2:06:47] appreciate that as [clears throat] well.
[2:06:48] >> Okay.
[2:06:48] >> And I'd like to do is work together.
[2:06:50] >> So, if we actually
[2:06:53] vote against this, you're still taking
[2:06:55] care of the finance. When it actually
[2:06:57] comes to an issue, Rich will take over.
[2:06:59] >> I'm I'm helping Rich with the paperwork.
[2:07:01] I'm not helping him with enforcement.
[2:07:03] That's that's that's
[2:07:05] >> as far as like recordeping accepting
[2:07:07] permit just like the plumbing in the
[2:07:08] water.
[2:07:09] >> The permits will still be issued here at
[2:07:10] city hall. That's not changing.
[2:07:13] >> That's what I was trying to get to.
[2:07:16] >> Okay. So, if we vote no, it stays the
[2:07:18] same.
[2:07:19] >> So, there's a motion to second, but is
[2:07:20] there any more I want to go to the roll
[2:07:22] call in case anybody has anything else
[2:07:23] they want to say about it yet?
[2:07:26] >> No, that's it. Okay. Again, I I I've
[2:07:30] read my long thing about it. um
[2:07:34] what it is. I guess people will will
[2:07:35] decide. I don't like the idea of
[2:07:37] separating comm uh uh department roles
[2:07:40] or anything like that. I don't see the
[2:07:41] value of it, but that's what it is.
[2:07:42] There's a if there's no other comments,
[2:07:44] there is a motion in a second. Can I get
[2:07:46] a roll call, please?
[2:07:46] >> Baldridge.
[2:07:47] >> Hi.
[2:07:48] >> Colin,
[2:07:48] >> no.
[2:07:50] >> McDermott.
[2:07:54] » No, stays the same.
[2:07:56] >> Moy,
[2:07:57] >> you still get it.
[2:07:58] >> And Curran,
[2:07:59] >> no.
[2:08:00] >> Okay. stays the way it is until further
[2:08:02] notice. You still
[2:08:04] >> All right. B. Discussion and possible
[2:08:06] action on Culver under Edhand Highway
[2:08:08] and installation of new pipe at Manhole
[2:08:10] Outlet. Mcderman. Okay. We discussed
[2:08:13] this at the last council meeting. Um we
[2:08:16] were asking if it's an emergency or not.
[2:08:20] Um
[2:08:22] I talked to Ross.
[2:08:24] You claim it is significant emergency.
[2:08:28] Um, we have uh I guess Dan left, didn't
[2:08:32] he?
[2:08:34] >> We have Poolhore with a bid. Correct.
[2:08:37] >> Correct.
[2:08:38] >> And um we'd like to get that approved.
[2:08:41] Do I need to uh
[2:08:44] >> Well, we'll go around. Balders, do you
[2:08:46] have anything?
[2:08:47] >> Okay.
[2:08:48] >> Uh I think we went through this not long
[2:08:50] ago. Uh something to go out with the
[2:08:51] pool. I I believe that the union
[2:08:53] probably
[2:08:55] should have their part in this. I think
[2:08:56] that we have a few few weeks at least. I
[2:08:59] have talked to Ross as well and uh I
[2:09:01] believe we have time to put this out to
[2:09:03] bid.
[2:09:04] >> Okay.
[2:09:06] >> I don't I don't know enough about it.
[2:09:07] >> Can you remind me I think I asked last
[2:09:09] meeting what is the threshold for bid?
[2:09:11] >> 20.
[2:09:11] Okay.
[2:09:13] >> 20.
[2:09:14] >> Um since I have you here, Ross, little
[2:09:17] bit of conflict for what I just heard
[2:09:18] between both of them. I and we haven't
[2:09:19] talked about this. is how how critical
[2:09:23] do we have the action to move
[2:09:24] >> that pipe has failed
[2:09:26] >> okay
[2:09:27] >> now whether or not it's going to affect
[2:09:29] the road tomorrow or in two months
[2:09:31] that's impossible to say
[2:09:33] >> but it's imper it's going to happen
[2:09:35] >> it has failed the pipe has failed so um
[2:09:37] there's potential for further collapse
[2:09:39] there's a potential for you know not
[2:09:41] getting the full section of flow through
[2:09:43] it so there's potential for flooding
[2:09:45] upstream repair I'm not saying that we
[2:09:48] call it to get here tonight
[2:09:50] >> I fix that. But if it is a bid process,
[2:09:52] you're talking potentially months to
[2:09:55] where now we're into the spring before
[2:09:57] this is fixed
[2:09:58] >> and having a lot of storm water going
[2:10:01] through that pipe. I I would worry about
[2:10:03] that. And so because it's not this isn't
[2:10:06] a project to add something new um
[2:10:08] because it's a want developing something
[2:10:12] I believe that because it has failed it
[2:10:14] has potential to get worse that time is of the essence okay where it's a repair it's not it's not a
[2:10:23] project to build something new or like I
[2:10:25] said develop something
[2:10:26] >> is to fix something that's broken
[2:10:28] >> the failure f further is imminent got it
[2:10:30] um
[2:10:31] >> my opinion means anything but It needs
[2:10:33] to be fixed as soon as
[2:10:34] >> Okay. Has anybody reached out to because
[2:10:37] again I didn't do any research on this
[2:10:38] but has anybody reached out to the
[2:10:40] county to see if they had anything that
[2:10:41] they would pay a portion of it?
[2:10:42] >> It is not a county. It is within the
[2:10:44] corporate limits of the city. So it is
[2:10:46] fully
[2:10:47] >> so we're fully responsible for it and
[2:10:48] it's imminent in that case. Um I don't
[2:10:51] know what everybody thinks. I mean I
[2:10:52] think we we've done our due diligence.
[2:10:53] We asked the questions.
[2:10:55] >> Um the question do we have an amount
[2:10:57] that needs to be discussed?
[2:11:00] >> Uh I can't remember what it was. It was
[2:11:01] over the It was over the uh 20,000.
[2:11:03] That's why it needs to get a vote.
[2:11:04] [clears throat]
[2:11:04] >> It was 35, but says that's on the high
[2:11:08] end. High in case
[2:11:10] >> I think I remember that.
[2:11:12] >> So time materials, right?
[2:11:14] >> So it be max of 35,000. Okay. All right.
[2:11:17] Well, I think we've asked the questions.
[2:11:19] We we found out that the thing is
[2:11:21] imminent. Um, I I agree that if if you
[2:11:23] would have said we probably got six
[2:11:24] months to a year, maybe we put it out to
[2:11:26] bid, but I think when things are like
[2:11:27] this, my thoughts are we probably should
[2:11:29] just go ahead and approve it and get it
[2:11:30] before we get a collapse on a road.
[2:11:33] >> All right. Anybody else have any open
[2:11:34] discussion?
[2:11:37] Right. If you want to make a motion to
[2:11:38] whatever. I make a motion that we uh
[2:11:43] go for a bid with Puhar on the um
[2:11:48] ED highway installation of a new pipe
[2:11:51] and manhole at the manhole outlet
[2:11:54] >> at a cost of a maximum of 35,000 maybe.
[2:11:58] Matt.
[2:11:58] >> Yeah. Just to clarify, approve the bid.
[2:12:00] Approve. Approve the bid of that. Okay,
[2:12:02] got it. Uh can I get a second?
[2:12:05] >> I'll second.
[2:12:06] >> Roll call, please.
[2:12:06] >> Waldridge.
[2:12:07] >> No.
[2:12:08] Colin.
[2:12:09] >> Hi,
[2:12:10] >> McDermott.
[2:12:11] >> I
[2:12:12] >> Moy I
[2:12:13] >> Curran
[2:12:13] >> I
[2:12:15] >> C discussion and possible action on
[2:12:18] purchase of speed trailer me message
[2:12:21] board Moy.
[2:12:22] >> Ah so we talked about this before. I
[2:12:24] have two quotes here but I'm now I'm
[2:12:27] wondering if I need to put it up fid or
[2:12:30] so there are two different companies to
[2:12:33] replace our speed trailer.
[2:12:35] The one that would be ideal would be the
[2:12:37] stalker radar radar. Um,
[2:12:41] it has the message sign if you recall
[2:12:43] that we could put more messages on there
[2:12:45] besides just
[2:12:47] slow down. We could customize it. But
[2:12:50] the really nice thing about it is that
[2:12:52] it does collect data. So if someone
[2:12:54] says, "People are speeding by my house."
[2:12:56] Now we have the ability to bring a speed
[2:12:57] trailer there and actually collect data.
[2:12:59] How many cars go by the house? How many
[2:13:01] cars are speeding?
[2:13:02] >> Too rich. So, the stalker is the better
[2:13:06] of the two. It's just over $21,000.
[2:13:10] Um, but there is an alternative quote.
[2:13:12] Is there three that you need for
[2:13:14] anything over 20,000?
[2:13:16] >> No.
[2:13:16] Okay.
[2:13:17] >> You're just supposed to advertise it for
[2:13:19] bids, Hillary. But, but you can agree as
[2:13:21] a council, twothirds of the council can
[2:13:23] agree to move forward without
[2:13:25] >> going through that procedure. So,
[2:13:28] >> Okay.
[2:13:30] You have anything
[2:13:37] We'll come back. Baldridge
[2:13:40] call.
[2:13:42] >> Um
[2:13:44] I mean this is replacing an existing
[2:13:46] one. Correct.
[2:13:47] >> If you recall, um I did bring up that
[2:13:49] the existing one is no longer working
[2:13:51] and it was the motherboard that had gone
[2:13:53] out and to replace it, it was ridiculous
[2:13:55] and not worth.
[2:13:56] >> We just have the one be
[2:13:58] >> Mike, we just have the one-speed
[2:14:00] trailer, right?
[2:14:02] that is not
[2:14:03] >> that's not working.
[2:14:05] >> We have one that's not working, one that
[2:14:06] is working.
[2:14:07] >> Do we have one that No.
[2:14:11] » Okay.
[2:14:11] >> Mhm. And the idea was that this could
[2:14:13] also be used in other departments like
[2:14:16] when we had the bridge closed.
[2:14:19] >> Board.
[2:14:20] >> Did you have anything in there?
[2:14:23] >> She's referring to anformational board.
[2:14:26] Mhm.
[2:14:29] » So, you're looking you want to get the 21,000, not the 1891.
[2:14:33] >> This is Yes.
[2:14:34] >> So, is there a better
[2:14:36] >> Well, it looks like with the um warning
[2:14:38] lights, which is the other bid. It does
[2:14:40] have a subscription service that you
[2:14:41] have to and it's a two-year requirement.
[2:14:43] >> Which one has a subscription service?
[2:14:45] >> Warning lights.
[2:14:46] >> The the expensive one or the cheap?
[2:14:47] >> The cheaper one.
[2:14:48] >> Oh, you got to pay. You're going to hit
[2:14:50] us on subscriptions anyways. Okay.
[2:14:53] >> All right. Was this something that was
[2:14:56] um requested as part of like the annual
[2:15:00] like uh appropriations
[2:15:02] >> if if they have money in their budget is
[2:15:03] what you're asking? Yes, there is money
[2:15:05] in the budget.
[2:15:05] >> Okay.
[2:15:06] >> Matt, do you have anything yet?
[2:15:09] >> No.
[2:15:09] >> Okay.
[2:15:09] >> That be for the stock.
[2:15:10] >> Anybody else? If nobody has anything
[2:15:11] else, if you want to make a motion for
[2:15:13] action. I want to make a motion to
[2:15:16] purchase the speed trailer from Stalker
[2:15:19] Radar at $21,167.
[2:15:24] » I'll second that motion. Roll call,
[2:15:25] please.
[2:15:27] >> Baldrich.
[2:15:27] >> Hi,
[2:15:28] >> Curran.
[2:15:29] >> Hi.
[2:15:30] >> Oh, sorry. Colin,
[2:15:31] >> I
[2:15:31] >> McDermott.
[2:15:32] >> Hi,
[2:15:33] >> Moy.
[2:15:33] >> Hi.
[2:15:35] >> Sorry.
[2:15:36] >> All right. Discussion and possible
[2:15:38] action to approve Gerard variance
[2:15:39] request. Cullinin.
[2:15:40] >> Uh Pat, you drew the ordinance for this.
[2:15:43] So
[2:15:44] >> correct. So you approved the plan
[2:15:47] commission's recommendation to grant the
[2:15:50] Gerard variance request at the last
[2:15:52] meeting. Uh it takes the maximum height
[2:15:55] of a building in that zoning district
[2:15:57] from 15 ft to 21 ft.
[2:16:00] >> 22 I think
[2:16:01] >> 22. Um and this ordinance formalizes
[2:16:04] that decision you made at the last
[2:16:06] meeting.
[2:16:07] >> Okay. Do you have anything else you want
[2:16:09] to add to that?
[2:16:10] >> Mo.
[2:16:11] >> Nope.
[2:16:13] nothing bridge. No,
[2:16:16] >> I think we already talked about it last
[2:16:17] time and we had a recommendation for it.
[2:16:19] So, if there's no other further
[2:16:22] discussion, if I can get a motion to
[2:16:23] approve the uh variance request.
[2:16:26] Um this is um I will motion that we
[2:16:31] approve ordinance number 13 05-01
[2:16:37] 0525
[2:16:39] an ordinance granting a request for
[2:16:41] variance filed by Samantha Gerard.
[2:16:44] >> Second
[2:16:44] >> roll call please. Baldridge.
[2:16:47] >> Hi.
[2:16:47] >> Col uh Curran Cullinin, sorry. Colin,
[2:16:50] >> I
[2:16:51] >> McDermott
[2:16:51] >> I
[2:16:52] >> Moy
[2:16:53] >> I
[2:16:53] >> Curran
[2:16:54] >> I
[2:16:55] >> E discussion and possible action to
[2:16:57] approve Fielder/Walter
[2:16:58] variance request. Cullinin.
[2:17:00] >> Pitch it back to Pat.
[2:17:02] >> Same thing. Um you considered the plan
[2:17:04] commission's recommendation at your last
[2:17:06] meeting and agreed to grant the variance
[2:17:09] request that the Fedler Walter parties
[2:17:12] had filed. This actually will formalize
[2:17:15] the approval of a 35 foot driveway uh
[2:17:18] which is in in excess of the 25 or 24
[2:17:22] foot standard in that zoning district.
[2:17:25] And the driveway already exists just to
[2:17:27] let you know. It was constructed by the
[2:17:30] contractor without knowing anything
[2:17:32] about it.
[2:17:34] >> It was just a mistake.
[2:17:37] [cough and clears throat]
[2:17:38] >> Okay.
[2:17:39] >> And you approved this at the last
[2:17:40] meeting again.
[2:17:41] >> I don't have anything. No. Well,
[2:17:43] McDermott
[2:17:45] Baldridge.
[2:17:46] >> No, I'm good. Same as before. Uh, no
[2:17:48] issues here. We get a motion to approve.
[2:17:50] >> I will motion that we approve ordinance
[2:17:51] number 136-0525,
[2:17:57] an ordinance granting a request for
[2:17:59] variance filed by Robert J. uh, Feedler
[2:18:02] and Karen Walter.
[2:18:03] >> Second.
[2:18:04] >> Roll call, please.
[2:18:05] >> Baldrich.
[2:18:06] >> Hi.
[2:18:06] >> Cullinin.
[2:18:06] >> Hi.
[2:18:07] >> McDermott.
[2:18:07] >> Hi.
[2:18:08] >> Moy.
[2:18:09] >> Hi.
[2:18:09] >> Currin.
[2:18:10] >> Hi.
[2:18:11] >> 10. New business a discussion and
[2:18:13] possible action to move the mayor's
[2:18:14] report to the beginning of the meeting
[2:18:15] moiled.
[2:18:17] >> All right. So this is why I'm bringing
[2:18:18] it here as discussion. Um I first want
[2:18:20] to address my um response to last
[2:18:23] meeting's mayor's report and it was not
[2:18:25] how I perceive that I want to handle
[2:18:28] myself, how I think I represent the city
[2:18:29] very well. It it did get under my skin.
[2:18:32] I did get upset. I had a very human
[2:18:34] emotional response. But that's not fair
[2:18:37] and that's not how I want to go forward.
[2:18:39] The reason I put the item on the agenda
[2:18:41] is not for retaliation or any purpose
[2:18:43] other than that, but to try and bring
[2:18:45] down the temperature on our meetings.
[2:18:47] Obviously, this isn't working. This is
[2:18:49] statistically we have the most fights
[2:18:52] towards the end of the meeting regarding
[2:18:53] the reports. So, I don't want to point
[2:18:56] fingers and say it's one person's
[2:18:58] problem or the other, but did you know,
[2:19:02] this may seem like I'm like all over the
[2:19:04] place, but did you know there's Robert
[2:19:05] rules of order debates? And I actually
[2:19:08] found this out that there is somebody in
[2:19:11] that I'm very close with that is
[2:19:13] actually a judge of it. And part of what
[2:19:16] I'm getting at is we can bring down the
[2:19:18] temperature of our meetings without
[2:19:19] getting ugly and nasty if we use a point
[2:19:21] of order correctly
[2:19:23] and all of that. So the reason I'm
[2:19:25] asking to move the mayor's report is
[2:19:27] that it's not uncommon that a mayor's
[2:19:29] report is first because he is the chair
[2:19:31] of the meeting. He does represent the
[2:19:33] council and it gives him the opportunity
[2:19:36] to make the opening remarks and set the
[2:19:38] tone for the rest of the meeting and
[2:19:39] announce the events that are happening
[2:19:41] publicly. First, um Galveston, Texas is
[2:19:45] one of the um cities that is mo most
[2:19:48] often um commented or looked at as a
[2:19:52] successful commissioner form of
[2:19:53] government and that is how they operate
[2:19:56] their meetings. So, that was why I
[2:19:59] wanted to bring it to you guys'
[2:20:00] attention and maybe talk about it,
[2:20:01] discuss it, see if we want to try
[2:20:03] something different. It's obviously
[2:20:04] reversible, but something that maybe we
[2:20:06] can try and work together to do better.
[2:20:09] >> Okay.
[2:20:10] >> I think it's a good idea. It worked
[2:20:12] today.
[2:20:15] >> It worked. You're fine.
[2:20:17] >> Right. Alders,
[2:20:18] >> I think at the beginning of meeting
[2:20:20] people are paying more attention than at
[2:20:21] any point in the meeting unless there's
[2:20:23] something crazy going on. So, I think
[2:20:25] that it would be beneficial to the city
[2:20:27] and the citizens to have the mayor give
[2:20:29] you an announcement at the very
[2:20:30] beginning of the meeting to tell you
[2:20:32] what's going on in the town.
[2:20:34] [clears throat]
[2:20:37] » I I'll start out by saying this. Um, at
[2:20:46] the last meeting, the mayor did take a
[2:20:48] bit of a a dig at the beginning of his
[2:20:50] mayor's report, and I think we should
[2:20:53] agree to not insert any politics
[2:20:56] whatsoever into our reports and just
[2:20:58] leave them totally nonpartisan. I think
[2:21:00] that's a good rule to follow and leave
[2:21:03] the fighting over, you know, whatever
[2:21:05] else for the actual agenda items. Um,
[2:21:09] but I I really don't see I Well, first
[2:21:14] of all, beyond that, I I also think that
[2:21:17] this is just kind of a and I appreciate
[2:21:20] what you had to say about it, but I just
[2:21:21] I think this is just a a wild thing to
[2:21:24] even be discussing. Um
[2:21:28] I
[2:21:30] it's as we kind of said with changing
[2:21:33] the ordinance um on uh on the inspectors
[2:21:39] um I just I think when we have all these
[2:21:43] changes just kind of off-the- cuff kind
[2:21:46] of you know just spur the moment kind of
[2:21:50] whatever maybe spur the moment is not
[2:21:51] the right phrase but it it just it just
[2:21:54] feels like we we make a lot of changes
[2:21:57] just to make changes because we feel
[2:22:00] like, you know, something in the city is
[2:22:01] not working the way that is supposed to
[2:22:04] or we don't like the way the city's
[2:22:05] being run and so we're just trying to
[2:22:07] force a round peg into a square hole.
[2:22:09] Like I I I don't know. I I really think
[2:22:12] the willingness to change things so
[2:22:14] freely, as I kind of said with the
[2:22:16] inspector's thing, is kind of just a a
[2:22:19] sign of dysfunction that it has it it
[2:22:22] started well before us. Um, and like I
[2:22:25] said, I I will admit freely my part uh
[2:22:29] in in getting uh some of that assumption
[2:22:32] into city hall, and I apologize for
[2:22:34] that. But I I really just I really don't
[2:22:37] think that this is even something that
[2:22:39] we should be discussing. And I I would
[2:22:41] also ask too, um if if we move the
[2:22:45] mayor's report to the beginning to set
[2:22:46] the tone and people listen most at the
[2:22:49] beginning, why wouldn't we also move the
[2:22:51] commissioner's reports to the beginning
[2:22:52] of the meeting? I I just I feel like
[2:22:55] that would be consistent.
[2:22:56] >> Do Do you want to ask me or is it
[2:22:57] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.
[2:22:59] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[2:22:59] >> Well, I did research [clears throat]
[2:23:00] into that, too. So, it wasn't like it
[2:23:02] was like a thoughtless process. I um
[2:23:05] originally proposed this because the
[2:23:07] mayor does hold a different role than
[2:23:09] the rest of us. He is the chair. He
[2:23:11] doesn't have a direct department really
[2:23:13] like we do to offerformational updates.
[2:23:16] And partially, I was also being selfish
[2:23:17] because I like I do the think first
[2:23:19] responder every other meeting. And I I
[2:23:22] think that that's a good positive way to
[2:23:23] end. So if we have a positive report in
[2:23:25] the beginning and a positive report in
[2:23:27] the end, that was my intention. So
[2:23:31] and the reason why I put it on the
[2:23:33] agenda is because agenda changes have to
[2:23:35] be approved by council. We can't in the
[2:23:37] latter.
[2:23:38] >> No, I that is true. I just I wish it was
[2:23:40] wasn't something we were discussing. But
[2:23:42] >> is there anything else?
[2:23:43] >> No, that's it.
[2:23:44] >> Okay. So couple things. Um
[2:23:48] first of all um your explanation was
[2:23:52] very eloquent. I I do that that is a
[2:23:55] wonderful sentiment to be able to set
[2:23:56] the tone and it for the for the meeting.
[2:23:58] I I actually think that's a a wonderful
[2:24:00] idea. It really is. I'm not even joking
[2:24:02] about that. However, I mean this is on
[2:24:06] the agenda the the the meeting after you
[2:24:09] said I want it's you're on video saying
[2:24:12] I want the last word next meeting. Well,
[2:24:13] no, that I don't want you to have the
[2:24:15] final word, but that being said,
[2:24:17] >> I apologize.
[2:24:18] >> I know you did. I acknowledge that. But
[2:24:20] just so keep that in mind. So, I always
[2:24:21] take that with with a grain of salt with
[2:24:23] that. The other thing with this is uh
[2:24:25] they looked into it how far this went
[2:24:27] back. For all I know, it could have been
[2:24:28] all the way back to, you know, 1916 for
[2:24:31] all I know. Uh it's been this way for a
[2:24:33] while. I don't think there's a problem
[2:24:34] with having the mayor's report at the
[2:24:36] end. Um
[2:24:38] the irony is um if if you if you want
[2:24:41] the mayor's report up front just so I
[2:24:43] can talk about the general thing, set
[2:24:45] the tone and stuff like that. Um I think
[2:24:47] you forget that the council members can
[2:24:50] add things. So I can simply just put
[2:24:52] right after commissioner reports mayor's
[2:24:54] final comments if I wanted one. I have
[2:24:56] that right to do that. So, so if you're doing it for that reason, uh
[2:25:01] it's,
[2:25:02] you know, you're you're not going to win
[2:25:04] in that regards if that's what you're
[2:25:05] trying to do. Uh but if if it's for your
[2:25:08] legitimate reasons, um I I think that
[2:25:10] actually is a wonderful sentiment. And
[2:25:11] you are right. I mean, look at the time
[2:25:13] right now. It's 8:25 at night. The other
[2:25:15] thing I wanted to point out, you says,
[2:25:16] uh I think somebody was it that said I
[2:25:18] think see it worked really well for
[2:25:20] lowering the temperature today because I
[2:25:21] talked first.
[2:25:23] We didn't even start our council meeting
[2:25:25] for an hour and a half because we had to
[2:25:26] go into close session and and and handle
[2:25:28] some business that is not pleasurable.
[2:25:31] So I don't know if I agree with that that sentiment there. Um but again
[2:25:36] it's it's a wellthoughtout argument. So
[2:25:39] um
[2:25:39] >> I guess do we want to try it because
[2:25:42] this clearly what has been happening is
[2:25:44] not working. I think we all can kind of
[2:25:46] agree to that. The other argument, and I
[2:25:49] will say this with Commissioner
[2:25:50] Cullinin's comments, um I think
[2:25:52] sometimes forget people forget maybe
[2:25:54] some of the other previous commissioner
[2:25:56] points and uh reports in the past, have
[2:25:58] had some crazy things in there that I
[2:26:01] think that they've stated things that
[2:26:02] aren't true or whatever. I I just sit
[2:26:03] here and listen, let them listen and do
[2:26:05] whatever they say. So, I think when it
[2:26:08] comes to your individual report time,
[2:26:09] you are authorized to say whatever it is
[2:26:11] you want to say.
[2:26:13] >> Um this is what I believe. So, it's
[2:26:15] called freedom of speech. So, um, does
[2:26:17] anybody else say anything to that?
[2:26:19] >> Regardless of where this goes, I just
[2:26:20] want to I I do want to commend
[2:26:24] Commissioner Moy for for your apology
[2:26:27] about, you know, your response to that.
[2:26:29] I I I think we could all benefit from,
[2:26:33] you know, more apologies and, you know,
[2:26:36] whatever. And I think that took a lot of
[2:26:38] uh courage to to do that. So, I just
[2:26:41] want to give you a
[2:26:41] >> I wanted to apologize the hour after I
[2:26:43] felt really bad, but [laughter]
[2:26:46] >> All right. Any other comments on this
[2:26:47] topic?
[2:26:48] >> Well, I think it's a good idea. That
[2:26:49] way, you can bring up uh current events
[2:26:51] that are coming up right off the bat.
[2:26:54] >> As I said,
[2:26:55] >> pretty good.
[2:26:56] >> There's not terrible ideas, and you do
[2:26:57] get people's attention a little earlier
[2:26:58] in the thing. I just think the tradition
[2:27:00] has been
[2:27:01] >> I I I think it's a weird time to be
[2:27:03] asking to to move that right after we
[2:27:05] just had something that was strange
[2:27:07] about that. The timing is strange. I
[2:27:09] don't think there's a need a strong
[2:27:10] enough need to change tradition just
[2:27:12] yet, but the council can decide that.
[2:27:15] So, Anything else?
[2:27:16] >> I'll make a motion to move the mayor's
[2:27:18] report.
[2:27:18] >> Yeah,
[2:27:19] >> we're spec Can I ask where specifically
[2:27:21] do you want?
[2:27:21] >> I guess we need to have a little
[2:27:22] discussion.
[2:27:23] >> What does that What does that mean? Like
[2:27:24] right after before pledge allegiance
[2:27:26] >> we start talking.
[2:27:27] >> Should we do it after public comment?
[2:27:32] » You could do it before. It doesn't
[2:27:34] really
[2:27:35] >> be that's why I say be be specific was
[2:27:37] when you say beginning a meeting. I
[2:27:38] guess you could do it immediately.
[2:27:40] >> As soon as you can do it is after roll
[2:27:42] call,
[2:27:42] >> right? to verify that you have a
[2:27:44] legitimate
[2:27:44] >> and that's why I wanted
[2:27:46] >> I think so too.
[2:27:47] >> I think the place to put it would be
[2:27:49] between the pledge and the public
[2:27:50] comment.
[2:27:51] >> Okay.
[2:27:52] >> Keep the public comments about items on
[2:27:54] the agenda.
[2:27:55] >> So is your motion to move the mayor's
[2:27:56] report
[2:27:57] >> immediately after pledge of allegiance.
[2:27:59] >> Sure.
[2:27:59] >> And I'll second that. That's good.
[2:28:01] >> Okay. Roll call, please.
[2:28:03] >> Waldrich.
[2:28:03] >> Hi.
[2:28:04] >> Cullinin.
[2:28:05] >> No.
[2:28:05] >> McDermott.
[2:28:06] >> Hi.
[2:28:07] >> Moy.
[2:28:08] >> Hi.
[2:28:08] >> Currin.
[2:28:09] >> No. That's where I'll be giving the
[2:28:11] reports I guess.
[2:28:14] All right. B discussion and possible
[2:28:16] action on raffle license approval.
[2:28:18] Colin.
[2:28:19] >> Yeah. So, um I guess maybe Jen can speak
[2:28:22] more to this, but I did write down a few
[2:28:24] things. There's a few organizations that
[2:28:27] do raffles. The three that I saw were
[2:28:29] the American Legion, IVCC, and the
[2:28:30] Dickinson House Foundation. And um
[2:28:33] they're seeking raffle licenses for the
[2:28:35] upcoming year or for this year.
[2:28:36] >> It's just it's just an annual renewal
[2:28:38] that we do.
[2:28:39] >> We are not having that as well. I is we
[2:28:41] are
[2:28:43] >> yeah that's all that's been submitted
[2:28:45] okay so far
[2:28:46] >> it's sorry my apologies tag days are the
[2:28:49] ones that have a certain time frame that
[2:28:51] they're supposed to apply for
[2:28:52] >> my apologies
[2:28:54] >> there's no set specific time on this
[2:28:55] >> all right my bad all right go anything
[2:28:58] else uh Moy
[2:29:00] >> I I don't have anything to add
[2:29:03] >> I have nothing
[2:29:04] >> for neither do I think they're great uh
[2:29:07] great organizations and as more uh I
[2:29:09] don't know if there's ever and a
[2:29:10] nonprofit that we've denied the the
[2:29:13] ability to do a raffle license. So, I
[2:29:15] think it's great. Uh, if we can get a
[2:29:16] motion to approve the raffle licenses.
[2:29:18] >> I will motion that we approve um the
[2:29:20] attached uh raffle licenses.
[2:29:22] >> Second.
[2:29:22] >> Roll call, please.
[2:29:23] >> Baldrich.
[2:29:24] >> Hi.
[2:29:24] >> Cullen.
[2:29:25] >> Hi.
[2:29:25] >> McDermott.
[2:29:26] >> I.
[2:29:26] >> Moy.
[2:29:27] >> I.
[2:29:27] >> Currant.
[2:29:28] >> I.
[2:29:30] >> C. Discussion and possible action on
[2:29:32] creating an ordinance to place all prior
[2:29:34] executive session minutes in online
[2:29:35] commissioner files, giving easier access
[2:29:37] and review prior to voting.
[2:29:39] uh approval I think supposed to say.
[2:29:41] Baldridge
[2:29:43] >> uh as I stated earlier there's a number
[2:29:45] of uh past minutes that need to be
[2:29:48] reviewed and the only possibility we
[2:29:50] have to review them is during business
[2:29:52] hours which my opinion are like banker's
[2:29:54] hours. I don't have banker's hours and I
[2:29:57] am gone from 4 to 5:30 in the morning
[2:30:00] until after 5:00 pm every night. I don't
[2:30:03] really see a problem with putting these
[2:30:05] on our private server here so that we
[2:30:07] could read them at our availability
[2:30:08] instead of coming here and having to be
[2:30:10] here during that exact time.
[2:30:13] >> We'll go around the room. Colin,
[2:30:14] >> so I guess what I would say regarding
[2:30:17] this and then I have a potential
[2:30:19] compromise on this if if we need to do
[2:30:21] that because of the banker's hours. What
[2:30:23] I would say is um I'm not familiar of
[2:30:27] with any board, at least the one board
[2:30:29] I've served on, I guess. Uh I'm not
[2:30:31] familiar with any board um that actually
[2:30:34] gives members uh copies of the closed
[2:30:38] session minutes to just have and
[2:30:40] possess. Uh when I was on the library
[2:30:42] board um I mean I was a secretary um I
[2:30:46] produced the close session record or the
[2:30:48] close session minutes and then they were
[2:30:50] put away in a lock box. Uh and you could
[2:30:52] come in and you could review them at
[2:30:54] your discretion but that was really it.
[2:30:57] and and I really think that is best
[2:30:59] practice. Um, we've talked before about
[2:31:03] things um, we've talked before about
[2:31:06] things uh, being talked about outside of
[2:31:09] close session that shouldn't have been
[2:31:11] talked about outside of close session.
[2:31:13] Uh,
[2:31:14] that's what it is. is I mean uh but I
[2:31:19] even if we can't stop people necessarily
[2:31:21] from discussing things that happen in
[2:31:23] close session out of close session I I
[2:31:26] would say it's probably beneficial
[2:31:29] um if that person doesn't have like an
[2:31:32] actual official document to corroborate
[2:31:34] what they're telling somebody. Um so uh
[2:31:37] for that reason um I'm just against it
[2:31:42] and those reasons I'm against it. Um,
[2:31:44] and
[2:31:47] I I I really I'm really totally against
[2:31:50] it. But I mean, if this is going to end
[2:31:52] up being passed, what I would be more
[2:31:55] comfortable with is if if it's if if
[2:31:58] it's this set of minutes, the the
[2:32:00] minutes that are listed here, October
[2:32:01] 6th, October 20th, November 17th,
[2:32:03] December 1st, December 15th, executive
[2:32:05] sessions. Um, and I'll take the blame
[2:32:08] for October 6th, October 20th, November
[2:32:10] 17th, and December 1st. I didn't
[2:32:12] communicate clearly enough to Jen uh
[2:32:15] when Jen took the role of city clerk uh
[2:32:17] that we the kind of practice is that we
[2:32:20] review those at the following meeting
[2:32:22] and then we approve them. That's my
[2:32:24] fault. I'll own up to that. Um but what
[2:32:27] I would suggest is if we are going to do
[2:32:30] this, I would suggest that we do it for
[2:32:32] just this set of minutes and then moving
[2:32:34] forward we don't do it at all and it's
[2:32:36] still paper copies in the office given
[2:32:39] to you before a council meeting for you
[2:32:41] to read. I just I don't think this is I
[2:32:43] don't think it's a good idea to have
[2:32:44] these uh circling out there. That's it.
[2:32:48] >> Okay. Mo
[2:32:49] >> I can understand your confidential
[2:32:50] [clears throat] issues here with some of
[2:32:52] the topics, but
[2:32:55] >> I'm trying I'm trying to rack my brain
[2:32:57] as something as an alternative. I mean,
[2:33:00] password protecting it probably wouldn't
[2:33:02] prevent someone from screenshotting it,
[2:33:03] but um if someone's that bent on getting
[2:33:07] the information out there,
[2:33:09] >> that's going to happen with their mouth.
[2:33:11] I would think
[2:33:14] >> I'm just I'm I'm interested to see if
[2:33:17] there's some kind of other
[2:33:19] ways to do this besides
[2:33:24] » I feel if somebody wants it out there,
[2:33:26] they're going to get it out there one
[2:33:27] way or the other.
[2:33:28] Um,
[2:33:30] I don't know if there's any other way to
[2:33:32] do it.
[2:33:34] >> Okay. Um, so the only part of this I
[2:33:38] think has has value is the discussion
[2:33:40] part. Uh, everything else with the
[2:33:42] action of what to do, I think it is so
[2:33:44] dangerous I'm surprised it's even on the
[2:33:46] agenda. I'll echo everything um,
[2:33:49] Commissioner Cullen said. I've never
[2:33:51] served on another board that that would
[2:33:53] allow something like that. Whether it be
[2:33:55] school board, IVRD, we we we don't do
[2:33:58] that. There's just Let me explain what
[2:34:01] closed session minutes are best used
[2:34:03] for. One, they make a record of the
[2:34:05] meeting. Great. That doesn't have any
[2:34:08] value to the public except for usually
[2:34:11] years later. Every six months, we
[2:34:12] determine which ones can be released.
[2:34:14] Matter of fact, next meeting we're going
[2:34:15] to do that for all of our past ones,
[2:34:17] right? The only ones that get released
[2:34:19] are ones that issues are completely
[2:34:22] no longer anything anything have a
[2:34:25] factor anymore. Right? So they don't
[2:34:27] really play a factor into the public for
[2:34:29] that. The only thing they play a factor
[2:34:30] to the public is that it is a thing of
[2:34:32] uh um
[2:34:35] being being
[2:34:37] available to everybody that they can see
[2:34:39] after the fact. So usually any relevant
[2:34:42] information is is from months to years
[2:34:44] ago. So they don't have any value that
[2:34:46] way. The other value that they have is
[2:34:48] sometimes there's things that we talk
[2:34:49] about in close session that are
[2:34:51] relatively detailed and complicated,
[2:34:53] especially if there's a negotiation deal
[2:34:54] that's gone back and forth like 10 times
[2:34:56] and and then there's there's times that
[2:34:58] we've actually had to go to the minutes
[2:34:59] to say, "Hey, our first proposal that we
[2:35:02] did with this back seven months ago,
[2:35:04] what what did we offer?" So, we we've
[2:35:06] had to go to the close session minutes
[2:35:07] for that. Those are the value points of
[2:35:10] close session minutes. The negative
[2:35:13] thing if the if the some of these
[2:35:15] minutes were to get out into the public
[2:35:16] space, everything that we're talking
[2:35:17] about here right now, it's all online
[2:35:19] already. Our open session minutes
[2:35:21] [snorts] really don't mean anything
[2:35:22] because people could watch the video
[2:35:23] tomorrow, today, whatever.
[2:35:26] I'll give you an example. We are in
[2:35:28] union negotiations right now, contract
[2:35:30] negotiations.
[2:35:31] If the things that we talked about in
[2:35:33] our close session about how we're
[2:35:35] strategizing for, we're talking about,
[2:35:37] we're trying to negotiate and stuff like
[2:35:38] that. If that were to fall into the
[2:35:40] wrong hands,
[2:35:42] that would have a serious detrimental
[2:35:44] effect to the taxpayers's resources,
[2:35:46] right? I mean, our job not only I mean,
[2:35:49] we all want to make sure our employees
[2:35:50] are paid well, taken care of well, but
[2:35:52] we do have a a financial responsibility
[2:35:54] to look after the taxpayer dollar. And
[2:35:56] if those if you put something in an
[2:35:59] online format, you are just opening up a
[2:36:01] can of worms. So to me, it cannot be an
[2:36:04] option. Close session minutes always
[2:36:07] have to be controlled. End of end of
[2:36:09] discussion. To me, there's this
[2:36:11] shouldn't even be a discussion. What
[2:36:13] there should be a discussion for is if
[2:36:15] we have council members that cannot find
[2:36:17] an adequate time to be able to come in
[2:36:19] to review them in person, that is a
[2:36:21] problem. We have to find a way to be
[2:36:23] able to to to to work around that.
[2:36:25] Right. I don't know what that answer is.
[2:36:27] I do think that somebody should be able
[2:36:29] to find time within the next couple
[2:36:30] weeks, maybe maybe if they any delay
[2:36:32] next couple months to find some time to
[2:36:34] come into this office or building during
[2:36:36] the working hours. If that can't be, we
[2:36:39] can talk about other options. I don't
[2:36:40] know what that's going to be. I don't
[2:36:41] know if that means putting it on a
[2:36:43] private server in the in the room there
[2:36:45] that's specially password protected to
[2:36:47] look at. I I don't know what the answer
[2:36:49] is. We can definitely discuss that. We
[2:36:51] can discuss that. But to me, the option
[2:36:54] cannot be for close session minutes to
[2:36:56] ever be on an online location to where
[2:36:59] somebody could take them out of city
[2:37:01] hall. I I don't I don't even know, Pat,
[2:37:03] do you have any legal thought process on
[2:37:05] that?
[2:37:06] >> This would completely violate best
[2:37:08] practices. I I just don't think it's
[2:37:10] something you should do. You're inviting
[2:37:12] trouble. It's way too accessible to the
[2:37:15] general public if somebody can get into
[2:37:17] somebody's computer and take a look at
[2:37:19] these. No, I just don't think this is a
[2:37:22] good idea.
[2:37:22] >> And I'm not talking about the things
[2:37:23] >> I would definitely recommend against.
[2:37:25] >> Yeah, I'm not talking about the things
[2:37:26] that we might squabble about and people
[2:37:27] just want to hear a gossip aspect. I'm
[2:37:29] talking about the things that have true
[2:37:31] financial liability to the city if
[2:37:33] people if if it was available to the
[2:37:35] public. We can't have that. I think the
[2:37:37] idea of having I mean if if the time
[2:37:39] making the time or having the time
[2:37:42] period is an issue if we could have some
[2:37:44] sort of and I'm sure there's a way to do
[2:37:46] it to severely lock down a computer and
[2:37:49] require a user ID and password to access
[2:37:52] that computer so we can audit who who
[2:37:55] logs into that computer in city hall. I
[2:37:57] think that's a good idea.
[2:37:58] >> Well, if we're already coming to city
[2:37:59] hall then
[2:38:01] >> yeah but everybody has a key. Everybody
[2:38:03] has a key because then we know then we
[2:38:06] know that that person only accessed them
[2:38:08] at city hall and we know when who's
[2:38:11] accessing them.
[2:38:11] >> Believe that's what I asked you guys the
[2:38:13] last time when we initially started this
[2:38:15] conversation. You said it was impossible
[2:38:16] or something.
[2:38:17] >> Oh, I don't an option then.
[2:38:19] >> I I I don't want to say anything's ever
[2:38:21] impossible. I just I don't know of a
[2:38:22] proper way because like you said,
[2:38:24] somebody could take a screenshot of it
[2:38:25] and Mac, I don't know if I agree with
[2:38:26] that. I [clears throat] I agree with
[2:38:28] what Cullinin said. There's a difference
[2:38:30] because again, I'm not going to blame
[2:38:32] anybody, but we've had problems in the
[2:38:34] past where there's been certain items
[2:38:36] that have been talked about in a very
[2:38:37] secure location that were very important
[2:38:39] and they have gotten out of here. That's
[2:38:41] caused that's caused problems.
[2:38:43] >> I I can't hold uh a council member
[2:38:47] liable for I I I can't I can't charge
[2:38:49] them with anything. I can't if they do
[2:38:51] that.
[2:38:51] >> But there is something to say if you
[2:38:53] have the document to show with it.
[2:38:54] There's one thing about hearsay and
[2:38:56] there's another thing with saying,
[2:38:57] "Yeah, no, look, I got the minutes right
[2:38:58] here. There's what it said."
[2:39:00] >> Rich, I think what I was talking about
[2:39:01] is if they were placed on the internet
[2:39:02] in a folder or something like that. Like
[2:39:04] if they're on the internet, there's
[2:39:06] really very little way that we could
[2:39:08] control them because you could just
[2:39:10] anybody could just say, "Hey, look at
[2:39:11] this." You know, whatever. But if but if
[2:39:14] we required that somebody be physically
[2:39:16] in city hall and somebody log in using a
[2:39:20] user ID and password that specifically
[2:39:22] only goes to them and that computer
[2:39:24] can't upload anything to the internet. I mean I think that would be an
[2:39:28] agreeable solution.
[2:39:29] >> It's better. I still don't think it's I
[2:39:31] mean I mean if you can't trust somebody
[2:39:32] you can't trust them. They could take
[2:39:34] out maybe have a pair of medic glasses
[2:39:36] on and take pictures of the camera of
[2:39:37] that television. Yeah, you could do that
[2:39:39] >> to uh if somebody wants to come in here
[2:39:41] and take information and they're just
[2:39:43] that much of a bad person.
[2:39:44] >> Yeah, that is true. That is a fair
[2:39:45] point.
[2:39:46] >> Your charm never ceases to amaze me.
[2:39:48] >> I'm sorry. Would it be possible that we
[2:39:50] could do where um if you can't make it
[2:39:53] say, "Hey, would you be possible for me
[2:39:55] to come in on a Saturday?" I would not
[2:39:57] be against that coming in for a couple
[2:39:58] hours so somebody could come in and and
[2:40:00] review. I I don't have a problem with
[2:40:02] that.
[2:40:02] >> I think something like that is makes
[2:40:04] more sense because the the thing that's
[2:40:05] crazy about executive session, look at
[2:40:07] this. We we haven't approved the ones
[2:40:09] from the 6th, the 20th, the 17th. We
[2:40:11] have like five of them here that haven't
[2:40:12] been approved, it doesn't affect
[2:40:13] anything because they're not released to
[2:40:15] the public until six months after. So to
[2:40:17] me, if they have to get delayed,
[2:40:19] executive session doesn't doesn't mean
[2:40:21] that much to me. As I as I said, the
[2:40:23] biggest value of them is transparency
[2:40:25] after the fact. And if we need to review
[2:40:28] something because something happened so
[2:40:30] many months ago that we're not aware of.
[2:40:31] I I just don't think I I to me it's not
[2:40:34] even a discussion to have in an online
[2:40:37] open access thing. It cannot be if
[2:40:40] there's a way to lock it down or like I
[2:40:42] said if maybe only if they can only be
[2:40:44] here once a month even if they got to be
[2:40:45] on the weekend or something like that.
[2:40:47] We got to make special accommodations
[2:40:48] for that. We do need to make
[2:40:50] accommodations for the council members
[2:40:51] because people have lives and jobs and
[2:40:53] responsibilities. Um but so I I think
[2:40:57] the discussion should continue and
[2:40:58] trying to find a more appropriate way to accommodate that.
[2:41:03] >> Can I make a recommendation or an ask?
[2:41:07] I'm not directing you what to do, but
[2:41:09] tech guru Austin Cullen, can you look
[2:41:11] into some alternative solutions and have
[2:41:13] them prepared by the next meeting so
[2:41:15] this just doesn't keep going? I I can I think just off the cuff I I can and I
[2:41:21] will, but I think off the cuff, if I had
[2:41:25] to guess, the best solution would
[2:41:27] probably be what I suggested, which is
[2:41:29] having a password protected uh computer.
[2:41:32] Um you know, maybe maybe you put it in a
[2:41:35] place that is recorded or something like
[2:41:37] that where you know, you can see the
[2:41:39] person accessing it, whatever. But I
[2:41:40] really think that's going to be your
[2:41:42] only option. Um but I can research it.
[2:41:44] Could you look into that little Mission
[2:41:46] Impossible tape that says it's
[2:41:47] self-destruct after?
[2:41:49] >> Yeah, I can look into it.
[2:41:50] >> That's a reference, but actually
[2:41:52] >> I have to get into contact with
[2:41:53] connecting point anyway. So,
[2:41:55] >> okay. So,
[2:41:56] >> do I need to make a motion to do
[2:41:58] anything or are we just going to leave
[2:42:00] it open-ended?
[2:42:01] >> I mean, the only action on here is if
[2:42:03] you're going to do the action that that
[2:42:05] basically Baldridge recommended or
[2:42:07] whatever. I think what we should do is
[2:42:09] continue the discussion to look for a
[2:42:11] more appropriate way to solve this
[2:42:13] without putting the city in peril.
[2:42:15] >> I know that sounds overly dramatic, but
[2:42:17] I do truly believe if some of these
[2:42:20] executive session minutes were to get
[2:42:21] out there there's a true financial I
[2:42:24] don't think Pat, you wouldn't even argue
[2:42:26] with what I'm saying, right? There's a
[2:42:27] true financial liability.
[2:42:28] >> A huge financial liability.
[2:42:30] >> Yeah. I I would definitely not recommend
[2:42:32] you put these online and available to
[2:42:34] look at from afar. No.
[2:42:36] >> Good. Okay. So, I would that's what I
[2:42:38] would recommend. Uh we continue to look
[2:42:40] at alternative solutions that that can
[2:42:43] cater to the council members a little
[2:42:44] better.
[2:42:45] >> Yeah.
[2:42:46] >> Because right now, again, we got five of
[2:42:48] them that aren't approved.
[2:42:50] >> The world ain't burning down,
[2:42:51] >> but we didn't have them until recently.
[2:42:54] >> Say again,
[2:42:54] >> they haven't been adding up on there.
[2:42:56] Those were all put together pretty much
[2:42:59] at the same time, right? All
[2:43:00] >> one
[2:43:02] >> wasn't a
[2:43:03] >> I'll be honest. I look at the executive
[2:43:04] [clears throat] session before we're
[2:43:06] going to release them because that's
[2:43:07] when the important time is.
[2:43:08] >> Yeah. No, everything um all of them
[2:43:11] minus uh the last one on there which was
[2:43:14] what December 15th or whatever. Um yeah,
[2:43:16] they're they're I guess you could say.
[2:43:20] >> Yeah, they've accured over time, but I
[2:43:21] will take responsibility for that. I I
[2:43:23] didn't communicate clearly enough the
[2:43:24] expectation to our new city clerk that
[2:43:27] that's what we do after each meeting.
[2:43:29] So,
[2:43:29] >> I'm not looking to place blame. I'm only
[2:43:31] looking for solution areas to
[2:43:33] >> clear that up and be able to move on.
[2:43:35] Okay.
[2:43:36] >> So, is the discussion what I'm hearing
[2:43:37] is that we're going to look for more
[2:43:39] alternative solutions.
[2:43:40] >> I make a motion that we look into more
[2:43:42] alternatives
[2:43:43] >> and because we all agree that we do have
[2:43:46] to make things available at
[2:43:47] commissioners schedules when they're
[2:43:49] available.
[2:43:50] >> Right. Okay. All right. Uh if there's if
[2:43:53] there's no other discussion, uh we'll
[2:43:55] move on. D discussion on central
[2:43:58] locations. where city employees original
[2:44:01] records and certifications are
[2:44:03] maintained current. All right. So, I put
[2:44:05] this on here. I know I feel like I
[2:44:07] shouldn't have even had to put it on
[2:44:08] here, but I just want to make sure that
[2:44:09] this is clear because there has been
[2:44:10] some issues lately. Um, it's been
[2:44:13] brought to my attention that not all
[2:44:15] records are are being maintained at city
[2:44:17] hall. My understanding is, and I think
[2:44:19] our chief of police already walked off
[2:44:21] is over there. There's only two two Hey,
[2:44:24] how are you? Thanks, Chief. There's only
[2:44:25] two things that uh two locations where
[2:44:28] employee records are stored. Uh one is
[2:44:30] city hall here. Their employee record
[2:44:32] has everything in it. Their pay records,
[2:44:34] their their uh discipline reports,
[2:44:38] evaluations, certifications,
[2:44:40] qualifications, everything. The only one
[2:44:42] that's a little different is police
[2:44:43] because police are under a very special
[2:44:45] program. How they do their evaluation
[2:44:47] systems and stuff like that. Even though
[2:44:48] their pay records might be down here,
[2:44:50] their evaluation cycle, all that stuff
[2:44:52] is under a lock and key at the police
[2:44:53] department. So, I don't think there's an
[2:44:56] issue if you have copies locally at the
[2:44:59] different departments, but there needs
[2:45:00] to be the the original everything copy
[2:45:03] needs to be maintained here at city
[2:45:05] hall. So, I thought I'd go around the
[2:45:06] room and see if somebody thinks
[2:45:08] different than that understanding. Um,
[2:45:11] Colin,
[2:45:11] >> I I would agree with your assessment on
[2:45:14] that.
[2:45:14] >> Okay. To reiterate, you're saying with
[2:45:17] the exception of just the police,
[2:45:18] >> the police department,
[2:45:19] >> do you do realize like fire has monthly
[2:45:23] training certific
[2:45:26] but I don't know I don't know if we keep
[2:45:28] uh fire people as like employee records.
[2:45:30] So we don't have employee records on
[2:45:32] them. So
[2:45:32] >> and and with ambulance like their
[2:45:34] paramedics license and stuff
[2:45:35] [clears throat] like that since that's
[2:45:36] something that's transferable.
[2:45:38] >> I would say the full-time employees
[2:45:40] paramedics we should because we have a
[2:45:42] file on them here. We probably need to
[2:45:43] have their copies of everything here,
[2:45:45] but everybody else if they're not
[2:45:47] full-time employees.
[2:45:48] >> I haven't had an opportunity because
[2:45:49] this was added as one of the last agenda
[2:45:51] items, but I haven't I had an
[2:45:53] opportunity to talk about it with
[2:45:54] Margus. I have not had an opportunity to
[2:45:56] talk with Pete or
[2:45:57] >> Okay. Well, again, this this is an
[2:45:59] action. This is just a discussion.
[2:46:00] Right.
[2:46:00] >> So, Right. So, but you agree with
[2:46:01] >> So, I'm not sure what the ambulance is
[2:46:04] doing right now.
[2:46:05] >> Okay. Well, if you'd like to check on
[2:46:07] that because my thought process is the
[2:46:09] full-time employee stuff, everything
[2:46:11] would be kept here,
[2:46:12] >> but if they but yeah, if you got a whole
[2:46:14] bunch of part-time employees and stuff
[2:46:15] like that, we don't keep a record for
[2:46:17] them.
[2:46:18] >> Okay, McDermott,
[2:46:20] >> I agree with Mo.
[2:46:22] >> Okay, Baldridge.
[2:46:24] >> I don't know what records you're looking
[2:46:28] for. My my understanding is that the uh
[2:46:32] personnel records and everything are
[2:46:33] already kept in the city hall's offices
[2:46:35] here. Um I I kind of think I know what
[2:46:38] you're talking about. And those are some
[2:46:39] uh apprenticeship records and those are
[2:46:42] kept with the apprenticeship school.
[2:46:45] >> So we didn't the city of Ogby has ever
[2:46:48] had the acquired.
[2:46:49] >> Well, I thought I thought when we got
[2:46:50] the certifications, we kept them here. I
[2:46:52] mean, for I I think of it is for
[2:46:54] anything like liability purpose. Like
[2:46:56] for example, Dan's probably I don't even
[2:46:58] know if Dan's still in the room anymore.
[2:46:59] Uh they have some different
[2:47:00] certifications that they have for like
[2:47:02] spraying [clears throat]
[2:47:02] uh I can't remember if it's pest control
[2:47:05] or weed control or something like that,
[2:47:07] but we keep those kinds of things down
[2:47:08] there because we need to maintain them.
[2:47:10] We might get a call from the insurance
[2:47:11] thing that says, "Hey, can you update
[2:47:13] us?" We don't have to go look for it or
[2:47:15] hunt for it. We have it at city hall for
[2:47:17] those records. So, um same with any
[2:47:19] certification. The moment we get them,
[2:47:22] my thought process is they should not be
[2:47:25] stuck in a drawer somewhere at a
[2:47:27] department level. If they want to keep a
[2:47:29] copy there, that's fine. But the
[2:47:31] original everything needs to be at city
[2:47:32] hall so we don't have a problem with an
[2:47:34] employee coming down and saying, "Hey,
[2:47:35] I'd like to look in my employee file and
[2:47:37] get my whatever." And we go, we don't
[2:47:39] have it. It's that's maintained
[2:47:41] somewhere else. I I we shouldn't have
[2:47:44] those conversations.
[2:47:46] Just want to make sure everybody's under
[2:47:47] that same mentality. if there's still
[2:47:48] some discussion. I
[2:47:49] >> I think I need to just discuss because
[2:47:51] they do have significant amount of
[2:47:53] certified part-time
[2:47:55] >> and I think for liability purposes, I'm
[2:47:57] sure their certification is somewhere on
[2:47:59] file. I don't know what their record
[2:48:01] management system is for the ambulance.
[2:48:03] >> Okay. And and I'm not sure either. I
[2:48:04] only talked to the chief about it just
[2:48:05] to make sure I I knew that they had a
[2:48:07] special how they did their evaluation
[2:48:09] stuff. So, okay. So, we'll look into
[2:48:11] that one, but as far as everybody else,
[2:48:12] everybody's on board with the idea uh
[2:48:14] that city hall is where they keep that
[2:48:16] stuff. Okay. Uh, is there anything else
[2:48:18] on that topic?
[2:48:20] All right, moving on. Number 11, public
[2:48:23] comment on any topic.
[2:48:29] » We got a long wait to get here.
[2:48:34] » Some of you are aware, I'm Kathy Nova,
[2:48:36] and some of you are aware that Crockett
[2:48:38] Street has a horrible turnaround.
[2:48:41] um car. It's a dead end street and it's
[2:48:42] a turnaround at the end and the big
[2:48:46] trucks like UPS and F Express have
[2:48:48] difficulty. But today I witnessed the
[2:48:51] ambulance. They picked someone up. I
[2:48:53] don't know if they were in the car. They
[2:48:55] were down on my street, but they went
[2:48:56] down and they could not turn around.
[2:48:59] They went back and forth, back and
[2:49:00] forth. Finally, they decided they just
[2:49:01] would back out of the street. So, I
[2:49:05] think the city needs to take a look at
[2:49:06] see if they can widen that somehow so
[2:49:08] the bigger trucks can get turned around.
[2:49:10] >> The interesting thing is I remember us
[2:49:12] talking about this like six, seven years
[2:49:14] ago. And I think at the time the
[2:49:16] question was, can we put a sign up that
[2:49:18] says no big truck because you don't want
[2:49:19] them have to turn around but an
[2:49:20] ambulance obviously they got to get down
[2:49:22] there. So that might change up the
[2:49:23] conversation a bit.
[2:49:24] >> Yeah. He tried using my neighbor's
[2:49:26] driveway runs and couldn't get turned
[2:49:28] around and finally he just backed up and
[2:49:30] he backed all the way down the street.
[2:49:32] So that That's That's serious.
[2:49:34] >> It ends in a circle thing, doesn't it?
[2:49:36] >> It's not much of one.
[2:49:37] >> It's not much of a circle. And if you
[2:49:39] need to if I have property, I need to
[2:49:41] donate some property to get that larger.
[2:49:44] It's just It's an issue. I know my
[2:49:47] neighbor's mailbox was knocked down by
[2:49:48] one of the big trucks. I put cones in my
[2:49:51] driveway because I invested a lot of
[2:49:53] money in concrete and I had a UPS truck
[2:49:56] back up and the curb. I had another guy
[2:49:59] with a gooseeneck [clears throat] um
[2:50:01] hitch drive in and scratch the, you
[2:50:04] know, the concrete. So, I'm trying to
[2:50:06] protect my driveway because that's the
[2:50:08] first place that they think about
[2:50:09] turning around is. But, um, when I saw
[2:50:12] the ambulance today, I thought this has
[2:50:14] to be addressed.
[2:50:15] >> I appreciate that.
[2:50:16] >> Okay.
[2:50:17] >> Thank you.
[2:50:19] >> Any other public comment on any topic?
[2:50:23] >> Number 12, commissioner reports.
[2:50:25] Commissioner Cullin.
[2:50:26] >> Oh, boy. Let me find it. Uh,
[2:50:31] okay. Uh so that portal that I've been
[2:50:34] talking about uh the new we're replacing
[2:50:38] uh payment service network um this is I believe part of the civic systems it's
[2:50:44] an extension of civic systems um which
[2:50:47] is we made a
[2:50:49] year and some change ago made a a large
[2:50:52] purchase for a lot of our uh bookkeeping
[2:50:55] software blah blah blah and this is part
[2:50:56] of it. Um the portal rolled out Friday
[2:50:59] of last week. I was informed today that
[2:51:01] we have 55 people signed up uh for the
[2:51:04] portal, which is actually very good, I
[2:51:07] think, for Friday of last week. I'm
[2:51:09] pretty pleased. Um I want to remind
[2:51:12] residents that signing up uh for online
[2:51:15] payments uh made via AC is fee free. Um
[2:51:20] however, cards at this point in time
[2:51:23] will incur a charge of uh 3.5%.
[2:51:26] So, wanted to remind uh people of that.
[2:51:30] I also, speaking of the new year, um on
[2:51:33] our website, city council's page has
[2:51:35] been updated uh for the new year. So, it
[2:51:38] shows the 2016 calendar, so forth and so
[2:51:40] on. What you'll notice is that videos
[2:51:42] are no longer linked there if you ever
[2:51:44] go there to pull up videos. Um but they
[2:51:47] are still on our official YouTube
[2:51:49] channel. All of this year's videos, uh
[2:51:52] moving forward will be listed on that
[2:51:55] page.
[2:51:56] Um, uh, other kind of administrative
[2:51:59] housekeeping things. I pulled this off
[2:52:01] the, uh, off the newsletter. So, uh,
[2:52:05] golf cart stickers expired as of, uh,
[2:52:07] 1231, uh, December 31st. Uh, you should
[2:52:11] have received a reminder. If you have
[2:52:12] any questions, please contact city hall.
[2:52:15] And the last thing I was kind of showing
[2:52:17] off, I'm actually genuinely like I I'm
[2:52:20] very
[2:52:22] I don't know like that that kind of
[2:52:23] techy stuff I was showing earlier
[2:52:25] actually really for whatever reason like
[2:52:28] it gets me like really excited. Like I
[2:52:30] it's it's very like I don't know. It's
[2:52:32] like the same way I get excited when I
[2:52:34] go to Staples. Like I I'm kind of kind
[2:52:36] of a loser in that sense. But uh that
[2:52:39] stuff really does excite me. So
[2:52:40] Microsoft 365 working on that. I talked
[2:52:43] about the building inspections things.
[2:52:46] Um I also want to keep other records uh
[2:52:48] on that as well so they're accessible to
[2:52:50] everybody so you know we're holding each
[2:52:53] other accountable uh such as rental
[2:52:55] inspections and other things. Um I also
[2:52:59] talked about this before but we got a
[2:53:00] bit sidetracked. I really want to
[2:53:03] prioritize um digitizing all of our
[2:53:06] forms. obviously offering a physical
[2:53:08] copy, but trying to just to digitize,
[2:53:11] offer a digital option for as much as we
[2:53:13] do and push people towards that. Um, and
[2:53:16] so forms specifically, we were talking
[2:53:18] about like building permit forms, our
[2:53:21] new civic systems thing, uh, should be
[2:53:24] able to handle those. Uh, but other
[2:53:26] forms, even something as, you know, uh,
[2:53:29] frivolous as a Dickinson house request
[2:53:31] form, I would love there to be an online
[2:53:33] option. um that again everything's
[2:53:36] automated, sends a request, request is
[2:53:39] reviewed, sends a confirmation email. I
[2:53:41] would love that um because it just makes
[2:53:44] everything so much more efficient and so
[2:53:46] much more streamlined. Uh and so I I
[2:53:50] feel like a loser in my room at night uh
[2:53:52] playing around with Microsoft Power
[2:53:54] Automate, but I'm actually kind of
[2:53:55] having a little bit of fun with it. So
[2:53:58] um I look forward to seeing uh what it
[2:54:00] can do once we get Microsoft totally
[2:54:02] rolled up. So, uh, that's all I have for
[2:54:04] tonight.
[2:54:04] >> Thank you. Wish you well.
[2:54:06] >> Okay. For the fire department, they had
[2:54:07] 14 calls total, which included five
[2:54:10] vehicle accidents, two activated alarms,
[2:54:12] two life assist, one auto aid, one
[2:54:15] police assist, one structure fire, one
[2:54:17] hazmat call, one wire down. So, for
[2:54:20] 2025, there were a total of 224 calls
[2:54:23] that the fire department responded to.
[2:54:25] And I just want to point out that this
[2:54:27] is a 16% increase from 2024. So, they
[2:54:31] are getting more calls. So, if you've
[2:54:33] ever felt the call to action, please
[2:54:35] consider the fire department
[2:54:36] [clears throat] and joining them.
[2:54:38] Applications can be picked up there.
[2:54:41] Um, and then I I have the ambulance
[2:54:43] report as well, which has 63 total
[2:54:46] calls, five transfers, one ALS
[2:54:48] intercept, two mutual aids, 55 all city
[2:54:52] and district calls encompassing. And I
[2:54:54] did want to take a moment because the
[2:54:56] district has asked us to start breaking
[2:54:58] out these calls. They want to know how
[2:55:00] many are happening. In November, they
[2:55:02] had 60 We had 68 total ambulance calls,
[2:55:04] but 14 were in the fire protection
[2:55:06] district. In December, 63 total calls,
[2:55:10] but four were in the district, just to
[2:55:12] keep in mind. Um, tonight, I do not have
[2:55:15] um statistics from the police
[2:55:16] department, but I'll catch up on them
[2:55:18] next time.
[2:55:19] >> Thank you, Commissioner McDerman.
[2:55:21] >> Okay, the uh dry bridge has been
[2:55:23] complete. Uh that I want to thank
[2:55:26] deconstruction. Um they will have to do
[2:55:28] the black top. Um the wastewater
[2:55:31] treatment plant is operating pretty
[2:55:34] good. They're doing good work down there
[2:55:36] and they're going to do a pretty big
[2:55:38] pour within the next couple days I
[2:55:40] believe.
[2:55:42] That's it. That's all I got.
[2:55:44] >> When you said pour, what does that have
[2:55:45] effect?
[2:55:46] >> Not on the roadway, right? Just down
[2:55:48] there.
[2:55:49] >> Cool. Thank you,
[2:55:50] >> Commissioner Baldridge. Uh, as
[2:55:52] Commissioner Moy has stated, um, the
[2:55:54] commissioner's reports are, in my my
[2:55:57] opinion, to give a report of your
[2:56:00] departments. Uh, I've asked both of my
[2:56:02] superintendents of their departments to
[2:56:05] give me an an update uh, every two
[2:56:07] weeks. And, uh, this is what the
[2:56:09] electric department has provided. Over
[2:56:11] the last two weeks, we have received an
[2:56:13] insur settlement payment of
[2:56:15] $88,372.14ning
[2:56:18] storm damage I received in September. We
[2:56:20] also finished and received the grant
[2:56:22] from IMEA for $20,2863
[2:56:26] which goes towards the P purchase of a
[2:56:28] variable frequency drive for well pump
[2:56:30] number three. They have signed up for
[2:56:32] the new Julie underground rapid response
[2:56:34] system which will give a more precise
[2:56:36] response for any underground locate that
[2:56:38] is called in. We are currently waiting
[2:56:39] for the additional login credentials for
[2:56:41] all the other guys. This program was
[2:56:43] supposed to be 100% in use by January
[2:56:45] 1st. However, they are way behind in
[2:56:46] getting each person's credentials sent
[2:56:48] out. We have been working on getting our
[2:56:50] electrical system mapped out and
[2:56:52] installed on the GIS maps which will be
[2:56:54] once completed have all of our system
[2:56:56] recorded in one place which will be
[2:56:57] easily accessible to both all guys
[2:57:00] working in the field as well as
[2:57:01] permanent record for the city. This is a
[2:57:03] work in progress. We had a major
[2:57:05] incident of wind damage on Sunday,
[2:57:07] December 28th. A large oak tree was
[2:57:09] blown over and fell into our main
[2:57:11] circuit power lines which run down by
[2:57:13] the alley between Oak Street and Porter
[2:57:16] Avenue, knocking down the power lines
[2:57:18] and snapping off a corner pole on Church
[2:57:20] Street. We called Shar Tree Service to
[2:57:21] remove the large tree which was laying
[2:57:23] on both our power lines and a garage on
[2:57:24] Oak Street so repairs could be made.
[2:57:27] Power was restored to the affected
[2:57:28] customers around 7 a.m. If you recall,
[2:57:31] it was about 50 to 60 mph winds, I
[2:57:33] believe, that night and they uh it was
[2:57:35] very cold and they stayed all and got
[2:57:37] all that. I do appreciate that we have
[2:57:39] cleaned out all of our electrical appra
[2:57:41] apparatus that was stored in the
[2:57:43] Dickinson house basement and have been
[2:57:44] working on organizing and installing
[2:57:46] additional shelving at both our landfill
[2:57:48] storage building as well as a storage
[2:57:50] shed behind her shop and getting rid of
[2:57:51] any junk that has been accumulated
[2:57:53] through the years when we get the time.
[2:57:55] Thank you. JP uh from the parks
[2:57:57] department says that uh the garbage is
[2:57:59] downtown dog parking disc golf and water
[2:58:02] street uh they get picked up on weekly
[2:58:04] rounds. City Hall maintenance and
[2:58:06] cleaning gets done weekly. Uh he's got
[2:58:08] BB gun club prep, makeup shoots, and
[2:58:11] club nights. The Dickinson house has to
[2:58:13] be maintained weekly to touch up
[2:58:14] painting, the smell from the traps, new
[2:58:16] install bathroom, bowling alley
[2:58:18] maintenance. Uh been working on cleaning
[2:58:21] up the Dickinson House multiple times a
[2:58:22] week. Prepped for the 54 or 5480 mound
[2:58:25] and bases at Gandalfi Diamond. Prep for
[2:58:27] the new south batting cage post at
[2:58:29] Gandalfi Diamond. Cut down some large
[2:58:32] tree branches that fell at Memorial
[2:58:33] Park. Changed the flags and clips as
[2:58:35] needed at flag poles. Got the Christmas
[2:58:37] lights taken down and organized them
[2:58:39] back into storage. Been painting some
[2:58:41] garbage cans and uh done some ceiling
[2:58:43] tile work in the park's office and
[2:58:44] organized the shop. Starting next week,
[2:58:46] they're going to do maintenance on all
[2:58:48] the equipment. It's a late start due to
[2:58:50] the early snow and start refinishing
[2:58:51] more Memorial Park sign and Dickens
[2:58:53] House baseball complex sign. If you
[2:58:55] notice the one down at Memorial Park,
[2:58:57] they uh took that down last year and
[2:58:59] took some time and really made that look
[2:59:01] nice and it saved the city a lot of
[2:59:02] money and made it look a lot better for
[2:59:03] everybody to look at. So, do appreciate
[2:59:05] all that. That's all I have.
[2:59:07] >> All right. All good stuff. Thank you. Uh
[2:59:09] mayor's [clears throat] report was
[2:59:10] already completed. Um so number what I
[2:59:14] got 13 there. Executive session for
[2:59:16] collective negotiating matters between
[2:59:17] the public body and its employees or the
[2:59:19] representatives or deliberations
[2:59:20] concerning the salary schedules for one
[2:59:22] or more classes of employees 5
[2:59:23] LCS120/2C2
[2:59:25] to discuss the purchase of lease of real
[2:59:27] estate 5 LCS120C5
[2:59:30] the employment compensation discipline
[2:59:31] performance dismissal specific employees
[2:59:33] 5 LCS120C1.
[2:59:35] Uh can I get a motion to go into
[2:59:37] >> I'll make a motion to go into executive
[2:59:38] session.
[2:59:39] >> I'll second roll call please.
[2:59:41] >> Uh Baldrich.
[2:59:42] >> Hi.
[2:59:43] >> Cullinin.
[2:59:43] >> Hi.
[2:59:43] >> McDermott. I
[2:59:45] >> Moy
[2:59:45] >> I
[2:59:46] >> Curran
[2:59:47] >> I I think this is officially the latest
[2:59:49] time we've started executive session.
[2:59:50] There's no there's no planned action exe
[2:59:52] after executive session. Thank you
[2:59:54] everybody. Have a wonderful night and a
[2:59:56] happy new year.
[3:00:02] [clears throat]
[3:00:07] » I'm throwing
[3:00:08] >> That's not great.
[3:00:10] >> No cracks.
[3:00:13] just breaking stuff. No, I said no. No
[3:00:16] cracks,
[3:00:18] >> which would really suck because I don't
[3:00:19] use this thing that often.
[3:00:30] » Tony, didn't even know you're going to
[3:00:31] be here and I said nothing but good
[3:00:32] things about you.
[3:00:34] >> You bet.
[3:00:35] >> I might not like you, but you did good.
[3:00:37] work.
[3:00:38] >> That's
[3:00:38] >> You did good work.
[3:00:43] What
[3:00:44] >> about your wife?
[3:00:46] >> What about your wife?
[3:01:01] » You did.
[4:02:39] I
[4:02:44] » Oh my god. Thank god my wife still
[4:02:47] there.
[4:02:58] Oh boy.
[4:03:02] Back to school tomorrow.
[4:03:07] All right,
[4:03:16] we're back in open session. Roll call,
[4:03:19] please.
[4:03:19] >> Baldridge,
[4:03:20] >> here.
[4:03:20] >> Colin,
[4:03:20] >> here. McDermott
[4:03:21] >> here.
[4:03:22] >> Moy
[4:03:22] >> here. Curran
[4:03:24] >> here. Thank you for anybody that's still
[4:03:25] paying attention. I'm It's probably well
[4:03:27] past your bedtime. Um that's all we have
[4:03:30] tonight. Uh number 14 is adjournment.
[4:03:32] Can I get a motion to adjurnn?
[4:03:33] >> I'll make a motion to adjourn.
[4:03:35] [laughter]
[4:03:35] >> Everybody.
[4:03:35] >> Roll call, please.
[4:03:36] >> Uh Baldridge
[4:03:37] >> here.
[4:03:38] >> Call it.
[4:03:39] >> I.
[4:03:40] >> McDermott.
[4:03:41] >> I Curran
[4:03:43] >> I. We are adjourned. Night night. night.