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Good morning everyone. Um
11:30. This is the August 20th meeting

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of the historic Ohio City Design Review
Advisory Committee. So I will uh just go

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through our preamble. Then we'll have uh
call the meeting to order and do a roll

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call and then get into the agenda.
Um, so to go through the virtual meeting

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regulations and procedures, actions
during the meeting will be taken by roll

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call vote. Recuseable due to a conflict
of interest should be stated for the

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record prior to the start of any
presentation. The recused committee

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member will then leave the meeting for
the duration of the case discussion. The

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chair will call the meeting to order and
ask for a roll call of the committee.

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The administrator will introduce the
first project. The meeting will then be

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turned over to the applicant to proceed
through their presentation. Each

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presentation should be completed prior
to questions and comments from the

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committee. And once the presentation is
concluded, the administrator will

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provide background information and read
any received public comments. Uh the

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committee will then begin deliberations
and project review. Please use the

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raised hand feature if you'd like to
speak. After deliberations and review

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concludes, the committee will render its
recommendation and/or motion. The

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applicant may leave the meeting after
their project review is complete. All

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projects will follow the same format
until all projects are heard by the

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committee. Once all projects are heard,
the chair will call for any

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committee/administrator reports. And
after all reports have been heard, the

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chair will adjourn the meeting.
Regarding community comments, any and

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all community members may provide their
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regarding projects presented to the
committee. Community members may also

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telephone their comments or questions to
the administrator. All comments,

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thoughts, or questions must be submitted
to the committee administrator no later

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than 48 hours prior to the start of the
meeting. Public comment received after

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the deadline will not be heard by the
committee. Public comment will be

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collected by Landmark staff and sent to
the committee members for review prior

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to the scheduled meeting. Landmark staff
will summarize the received comments

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during the meeting. The applicant of the
project is under no obligation to answer

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any community questions. Community
members are invited to attend the design

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review advisory committee meetings, but
there will be no open public comment

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period. Regarding design review
guidelines, all projects are being

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reviewed using the Secretary of the
Interior Standards for Rehabilitation

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and are being considered for the
issuance of a certificate of

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appropriateness. All projects are
considered on a case-by case basis.

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Presentations were received and
distributed to committee members for

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review prior to the scheduled meeting.
Changes to the presentation after

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confirmation of receipt by Landmark
staff are not shown here today. The

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Historic Ohio City Design Review
Advisory Committee makes recommendations

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to the Cleveland Landmarks Commission.
These recommendations are not final

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actions. Depending on the scope of the
project, submissions may be approved

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administratively or will need to be
reviewed by the Cleveland Landmarks

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Commission. If that's the case, projects
will be scheduled the next available

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commission meeting after an action is
taken. As always, we have the Secretary

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of the Interior standards here available
for uh reference if anyone needs me to

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pull those up at a later point during
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Um, so with that,
I'm not seeing

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our chairwoman here. Um,
it looks like we may be short on forum.

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Yeah, it looks like we um
don't have quorum at this point. Um,

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but I guess in the interest of of moving
projects along, um, I think most of our

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projects today were, uh, we'll need to
go to the the Landmarks Commission for a

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variety of issues anyway. So, um, uh,
Margaret, do you mind stepping in as

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chair?
>> Sure thing.

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» All right. Thank you. And I apologize,
my uh camera isn't working. whenever I

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go from
move my computer around and plug things

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back in, they never seem to work. So,
you guys luck out today. Um, but uh,

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yeah, in the interest of moving things
along, I think we should proceed to the

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first case, which is case HOC26-32
at 1701 West 25th Street, uh, murals

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across the city public art.
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» Should we call the roll at this point
before the presenter or do you want to

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wait till we have quorum?
>> Um I mean we could we could call it now

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and then um I guess just make notes or
note if we end up having form. It looks

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like Nia just showed up. Um
yeah, let's let's go ahead and call

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roll.
>> Okay. And if Nia is here, I'll

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relinquish the position of chair back to
her when she's ready.

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» Yes. Thanks. Sorry, guys. I'm very back
to back today, so I'm here.

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» Perfect.

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Dan, do you want to call the role?

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Oh.

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think we've lost Dan.

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» Hi. Sorry about that. I I got a
notification that I had a network issue.

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So, um hopefully I didn't miss too much.
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yeah, I was just starting to to try and
call a roll. Um Miss Anderson

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» here and Miss Flary,
Mr. Fondorf,

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Miss Lamb
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» Mr. Miller,
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Mr. Persons,

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and Miss Marinucci
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» India. Um, and Mr. Franorf.

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All right. Um we'll we'll thank you
Margaret. We'll turn things over to uh

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Miss Marinucci now. Um we are still one
member short on quorum but I think in

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the interest of um moving things along
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through the first project. Um since it's
public art it will be going to the

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landmarks commission anyway. So you guys
can still provide feedback on it and if

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we end up with forum um I can just make
a note when when the discussion starts

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if we end up with the uh the final
number. So um so yeah first office case

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HC26-32
1701 West 25th Street murals across the

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city um as mention I think we have
Courtney Vargo here and then Tara Petus

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from the city's public art coordinator
here. So, um, and Alex from, uh,

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downtown Cleveland or sorry,
destination Cleveland. Um, but yeah,

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I'll let you guys, uh, go ahead and go
through your presentation. Just let me

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know when you'd like me to advance the
slides.

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» Okay. Thank you.

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» Sorry, I can't see see the slides.
Should I be able to see the slides?

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Oh, I sorry. I think when I got kicked
off the um network, [clears throat] it

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stopped sharing my screen. Let me try.
Is that better?

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» There you go.
>> Okay. All right. I apologize.

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» No, no worries at all. Well, good
morning everybody. My name is Courtney

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Vargo. I'm uh with Destination
Cleveland. And what I have for you all

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today um as previously mentioned is a
work of public art. This is on uh 1701

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West 25th Street. Very approximate to
the future Irishtown Ben site. Um and

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CHA's uh welcome center there on 25th
Street. Next slide, please.

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Um so here are some previous examples of
a project that we call murals across the

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city. This project has been going on for
three years now and we've um

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successfully installed completed um nine
works of original public art

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commissioned by local artists in a
myriad of different um Cleveland

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neighborhoods. Pictured here, these are
the murals from our first year. Um just

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kind of throwing this in here because
the first year we did do all what you

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think of as a traditional mural, right?
So paint on brick. Um so just examples

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from the first year, paint on brick. The
next slide

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um shows our murals from last year which
uh we we changed uh switch up our

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process a little bit to use a heat
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Um did this for several reasons. Chief
among them, you know, the material is is

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a bit kinder to to the brick. Um it can
be repaired very easily. It just is

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again it's kind of like heat shrunk onto
the building. Um building owners like

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this, the city tends to like it. It's a
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Obviously dependent on sun exposure and
things of that sort, but um these are

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our murals last year. All heat applied
vinyl. We were able to kind of work

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around some of the obstructions on those
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um pretty successfully there. I don't
know if there's anything else I want to

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mention there. Yep, this is great. So,
this is again just a material slide

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showing another example of kind of a
process photo how that gets applied.

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Um, we also like this material because
it does open us up to artists that are

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not just skilled in painting large scale
m scale murals, right? That's kind of a

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smaller subset of people. Um, so this is
really great because it opens this up to

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almost anybody who can, you know,
digitally design a mural and then it

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gets large format printed and heat
applied. Um, and then repair is, you

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know, really easy. It's just kind of
removal by reheating. So if a single

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section gets damaged, we're able just to
replace it section by section. Next

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slide.
And here's a little bit more about our

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process. So um we start out by releasing
a call for artists. We ask for any local

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artists that would like to share their
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evaluate those applications and kind of
pair it down so that we can then give

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building owners that we're working with
a smaller rate. You know, we we've

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gotten 100 plus applicants from this
project in years past. This year I

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believe it was around 70. So um just
kind of whittling down that number. Um

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we got to about 10 artists that we put
in front of building owners um and kind

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of did sort of like a matchmaking
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Artists then create a design once
they're chosen for you know the specific

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wall um using a destination Cleveland
brand phrase and then we kind of share

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that out with you all. That's where
we're at today. um you know in in kind

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of the the share out stage, city permits
and entitlement stage and then after

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that we work through install. Next slide
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Here's a bit about our artist. Um Nigel
um he goes by days or days one. Um he's

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really a multid-disciplinary artist. I'd
be surprised if you haven't seen his

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work around town. So we're really
excited to bring some of his work um to

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this neighborhood in this specific
building. Next slide, please.

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And now we're going to go through some
context photos. So again, this is the

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CHA like welcome center. So we're on the
corner of Flint Franklin and West 25th

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Street. Um this is just out of view.
Here is again where the future Irishtown

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Ben Park is. Um you can see Ohio City
Farm there on the right hand side of

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your screen. And that orange block is
the wall that we're looking at, which I

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do kind of want to call out because some
of the context photos, I did my best,

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but some of the context photos can get
sort of confusing which wall we're

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working with. You see the buildings are
kind of like stacked there. Um, so just

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calling that out. Next slide, please.

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And we can kind of run through these.
Here's looking north. Downtown is sort

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of just out of view there.
Here's looking a little bit more towards

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down downtown, more to the northeast.
The wall is off to your right in this

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picture.

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Um, looking northeast. Again, this is
just kind of zoomed out. This this green

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rectangle is the wall we're looking at
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Now, we're looking down West 25th
Street. I have that that wall xed out

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just so it's clear that's not the wall
we're um looking at today. And if if

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that's relevant um hard to see in this
photo, but there's actually a set of

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stairs there. install would be really
difficult and visibil visibility is a

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little bit more limited on this wall. So
if there's any curiosity that's why we

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didn't go for that one. Next slide
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Some more context photos again. Um and
maybe now is a good time to call out

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just some of those obstructions. You can
kind of see um there's like a tree that

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was not you know anything that was
planted by CHA or otherwise it's just

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kind of one of those rogue um trees that
pop up. So that's a that's a discussion

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we've had with CHA. Um and you know that
would all get cleared out so installs

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very easy. Um yeah,

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here we are looking west down Franklin.
And then here is the facade at a better

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closer up view for you all.

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And here's our design. Um, so here's
kind of the design that we we'd uh love

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you to see today. This again is designed
by a local artist. We designed it in

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conjunction with CHA. They were you know
huge um you know obviously part of this

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project from the very beginning. They
really challenged us to um you know

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create a design that was all about
resilience and the city's resilience and

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the specific areas resilience. And so we
think DAZ did a really great job of

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incorporating all of that. It's
colorful. It's fun. You know, you see

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Riverview there in the back. Um, so
we'll see that rendered here in a couple

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slides onto the wall.

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And I just I just reduce transparency
here just so you could see um

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that I guess that there's no
obstructions on this wall. Normally I do

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that because there is an obstruction
actually, but so we'd be kind of in

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between um the vent there. So this is
about a 10 by 20 uh block. So 10 10 feet

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by 20 feet wide.

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Um and then just just another shout out
to um CHA. You know, they were huge

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institutional partner for us in this. Um
were so gracious that they, you know,

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allowed us to work with them on on
putting something on this wall. Again,

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really wanted something that celebrates
Cleveland's resiliency. Um and we

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actually worked with them to create a
custom sort of brand phrase that you see

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in there. um forged by pressure rooted
in resilience something of the likes. Um

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so very thankful to CHA. I don't know if
this is included in our application

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packet but we did also receive letters
of support from Councilman Davis and

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from Ohio City Inc. So many thanks for
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and sorry I think the only other thing I
didn't mention and we can go back to the

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the rendering slide or the design slide
whichever you'd like. Um, just this

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wall, I don't have a picture of it, but
you can, you know, if you go back on

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street view, you can see that there was
previously public art on this wall. Um,

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so we're happy to kind of bring that
back as the neighborhood's kind of

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getting redefined with, you know,
Irishtown Ben and so many other

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projects. So, with that, I'll I don't
know, pass it over to Tara, open it up

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for comments. But, thank you all.

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» Thank you, Courtney. Um, I love this
artwork. I feel like it looks it it

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feels historic and fresh at the same
time with the artist rendering. Um and I

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do recall the previous public art that
was on that wall. I actually

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participated in that project um with CHA
and um an architect Malaz LG GMA and it

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was um wheat paste of various community
members from around the area. Um, I

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wanted to know about the dis if there's
going to be a descriptive plaque and

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where that would be. Um, and also I just
wanted to read an excerpt from uh,

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Councilman Davis's support letter. Um,
it says, "This project reflects the kind

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of visible community investment that
helps strengthen Cleveland's public

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spaces and reinforces the momentum
taking shape along the Kyhoga

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Riverfront. Riverview Tower and
Riverview Welcome Center have stood as

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longtime fixtures in the community. And
as Irish Town Band continues to develop

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into a once in a generation riverfront
park and destination, this project

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offers a way to further connect this
area to Cleveland's past, present, and f

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future. Destination Cleveland CHA and
local Cleveland Artist Days One have

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worked together to develop a Cleveland
positive mural that celebrates the

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city's resilience, creativity, and
pride. The proposed artwork would bring

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new energy to a highly visible site near
one of the city's most recognizable

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riverfront views while complementing
ongoing efforts to make the Irishtown

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bin area more welcoming, vibrant, and
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Um, so I just wanted to share that. Um,
but I also appreciate that the tagline

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um, destinations brand uh, line is less
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And I think that's very important with
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neighborhoods is that the artwork be the
hero and just get less branding. So, I

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think this does a good job of keeping
that balance and I'm um, highly in

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support. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Tara. And I'll address just

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your comment about um the plaque. I
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right? But um on these murals, we do
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So, in this case, it would just be, you
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install a small QR code. I say small,
but you know, a QR code um where folks

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can scan, learn more about the project,
um you know, see the artist and read the

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artist statement. So, um in that way,
yes, we will we will have a way for

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folks to kind of find out more about
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think that would be a great opportunity
too to maybe put the branding in the

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descriptive plaque or panels to describe
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Thank you.
>> Thanks.

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» I just had one question. Um, does the
wall need any kind of maintenance or

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repair, any repointing or anything
before the mural goes on?

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» Um, no. To to our assessment, and we'll
obviously do a final sitewalk out there

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with CHA before install and with our
installer um that we use for these, but

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no, no tuck pointings needed. It's
really just more sight considerations in

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terms of that tree and it's it's, you
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Um, so we just want to make sure it's a
good install site in other ways. We'll

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we'll certainly check the wall when we
go out, you know, final check. But at

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this this present time, we haven't
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No.
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» Thanks.
>> What is the anticipated uh lifespan of

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this particular vinyl application?
>> That's a good question. We were just

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talking about that yesterday with our
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um he started doing these out in Kent
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believe he said 12 years ago. So he has
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12 years. Um the what what we tell
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about 10 years, right? Uh of course
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including sun and salt and wintertime
and whatnot. um but very comparable to

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traditional paint on brick uh if not
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» I'll also chime in that when we make the
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the the legal agreement that we have
with them to host the art, we write it

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up as a five-year contract with one-year
mutual renewals after that. So after the

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five-year term when we we sort of all
know this material looks good, we're

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checking in annually and saying, "Hey,
does it still look good? are you, you

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know, are you comfortable with it
staying? Um, so we've kind of kind of

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thought through that in the structure of
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» Okay.

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» I have nothing further. I don't know,
Dan. Do we have quum enough to make a

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motion or
>> how?

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Yeah, we do not have quorum at this
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if there's good consensus that uh nobody
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move it along to its next step at the
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next week.
>> Okay.

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» Um do you guys does the applicant feel
like you've gotten, you know, enough

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feedback? Are you guys happy or do you
have questions for the committee?

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» No, I mean I appreciate you all being
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review it. Um we're certainly looking
forward to what Landmarks has to say.

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So, no, I don't have any questions. I
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I'm just appreciative of your your all's
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» Great. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Have a good day.

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» Yep.
>> Thanks. You too.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Now moving on to cases HOC 26-29
uh 30 and 31 at 3135

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3201 3203 and 3221 Lraine Avenue uh the
Westside Catholic Center buildings

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they're proposing some window
replacements um believe we have Jim

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Warren and Andy Sakura here um to talk
us through there. So, if you guys want

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to start your presentation, just let me
know when you'd like me to advance the

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slides, please.
>> Hi, I'm Andy Zakuro with Window

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Universe. So, we're the um contractor on
doing the window replacement. Uh Jim um

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is kind of the leader over at Westside
Catholic Center for their maintenance

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projects. um they obtained some grant
money um to do these window replacements

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and that's kind of the trying to make
that stretch as far as possible to do

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improvements to um both workspace and um
shelter space that they provide uh is

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getting upgraded with um these
renovations. So, I'll I'll be I'll lead

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the conversation because I can kind of
speak to materials and exact install

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plans and uh Jim is on too, so he can
always, you know, Jim feel free to

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interject um if there's anything that
you want to share. Um but the first that

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we're looking at here um so it's three
different properties that all are

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they're all a different scenario as to
what is changing and kind of what's

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being proposed. So,
all doing the same thing from a broad

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sense in that the windows at all three
properties are not original.

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Um, I would estimate
that they were installed somewhere in

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the 80s or 90s. Um, so it's kind of like
a wood replacement, you know, um,

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cladded exterior window. Um, but they're
all in pretty poor shape at this point.

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And definitely um you know replacing
them could is going to make the

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you know the usable space a lot more
usable. Um so first property that we're

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looking at 3135 Lraine. That's just kind
of an overview of it. This is the view

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from Lraine directly across the street.
Uh, this is all one building and when

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you're on the interior, like what we're
looking at are the eight front upstairs

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windows. Um, when you're inside, those
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hallway with separate offices. And this
is where um, you know, the people that

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work at Westside um, you know, their
offices are here. So this is kind of

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like a pulled away view where you see
all eight at once in the bottom left

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corner there. That's really just a kind
of a little just to give you a

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perspective of what
we're looking at the front and the side.

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So that's the only way to see kind of
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And if you scroll down um
this is now uh you know seeing the side

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by itself. So there's it's a corner
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eight windows that face the front and
now we're looking at the 13 windows on

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the side of the building. Um
primarily the upstairs the second floor.

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There are two on the first floor that
are circled. Um one of them is kind of

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blocked by some artwork that was hung
when we took that picture. Um, so if you

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look at the second picture in this same
sheet, that's showing that second window

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that's on the first floor. And also
there's a window that sort of goes

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around the adjacent corner that kind of
faces south. Um, but that bottom picture

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shows where that one's tucked um kind of
into the entryway. So altogether you

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have the eight windows on the front and
then now the side um for an additional

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13.
All right. if you want to scroll down

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from there.
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you have two different um, color
schemes. The four windows on the left

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and four windows on the right now. This
is one of an example of the four windows

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that are on the left. Um, there's sort
of a couple different color elements. uh

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the trim boards around the window
opening and directly underneath that's

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painted wood that's kind of like a
maroon color. Um and the window itself

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it is kind of hard to see in the in the
photo. Um

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the window has a very thin frame that's
there that is actually a lot brighter

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red than the color that's below
um that that is like a maroon color. So,

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the way that we would install the new
windows, the trim boards would be left.

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Um, and that's what you're looking at
painted or um that blue arrows. So, the

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trim boards on sides, top and sill on
the bottom, leaving those exactly as

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they are where that color would stay the
same. The new window would go into the

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opening. Um,
and I guess this is probably good to go

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to the next slide or next page down.
So now you're getting kind of a

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pulledaway view. So those four windows
that are above kind of like that maroon

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painted um almost like a fascia board.
Um those four proposing to change those

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from the the bright red frame to a
bronze

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exterior. And when I look like when
you're looking at the building as a

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whole from Lorraine, you have the
storefront windows below are all bronze

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framed and the windows to the right. The
other four that we would be are

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currently bronze. So the idea here is
remove the bright red that isn't really

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um matching any of the other colors that
are there and putting in uh bronze but

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leaving the trim boards the painted wood
so that that looks all consistent.

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so and I guess I should interject this

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too. The the main thing here that we
need approval for is the to do vinyl

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windows. Um, a lot of and you'll see
this with this property as well as the

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other, the vinyl window gives us the
opportunity to match colors

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um to make things more consistent from
like just the color of things. And at

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the same time, um, the lets the grant
funds stretch a lot farther in terms of

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like how much how many of the windows in
these locations can be replaced. Um, so

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I guess if you want to go down then to
the next,

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uh, [clears throat] this is just showing
that a closeup of that maroon red color

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that's on the facial board below the
four windows. Um because we kind of have

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two options here. We could put in a
bronze window and just do a small um

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it's basically like recreating a stop on
the exterior that would match the bronze

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color. Or if you wanted to try, you
know, we to

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pull that maroon um color into the
window opening instead of the bright red

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that's there. we could use this colored
trim coil, which was a real almost

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perfect match to what was the painted
wood that's below it. So, kind of have

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two options there. Um, bronze window
with bronze trim that just blends into

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the frame or bronze window with uh,
[clears throat] you know, a small stop

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piece, basically a half inch by half
inch piece that goes around that would

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kind of tie together um, the the maroon
color that's below.

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And if we want to go to the next slide.
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of the four windows that are on the
front, the Lorraine side. Um just

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showing same idea here. Leave those trim
boards the big painted color that they

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are currently and then replacing the
bronze colored window that's already

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there with a new bronze colored window.
Main difference being that it's vinyl.

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But um there's a kind of like a little
color sample down there at the bottom

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too showing um just the bronze color
which is in the middle um as opposed to

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like darker black or you know lighter
brown or terra. Um so the that bronze

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color would match this what's currently
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If you want to go to the next
um so kind of to summarize and this is

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the same it's sort of the same scenario
for all three buildings. um that the

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current windows are not the original. Um
it'd be upgrading windows that are, you

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know, 30 to 40 years old and um you
know, improve um the the areas, you

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know, whether it's a workspace or a
shelter. Um, and the change to vinyl

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lets us be flexible on matching colors
and at the same time, um, letting the

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grant funds spread further into, um,
more improvements on the properties. Um,

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so that's kind of the summary on this
building in particular. So, I I guess I

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would want to throw it out there. Um,
it'd probably be easier to talk about

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them individually because the the whole
color idea is is different on all three

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buildings. So, I don't know if anyone
wants to has questions about that

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property before we move on to the next
or you know any feedback.

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» I I'll go first. I think generally the
the idea is good, but I I don't know

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that I can go along at least on the
Lraine and public facing sides of

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replacement from aluminum clad wood
windows even though they're not original

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uh to vinyl windows and is there a way
of maintaining an aluminum clad wood

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window on the public facing? I know I
think it's your second presentation has

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some windows on the back side. Maybe a
compromise is to allow vinyl there. But

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on the street facing windows, maintain
them as aluminum cl wood wood windows.

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Yeah. The you know that is a
possibility. Um

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you know we we also sell woodclad um you
know wood interior, aluminum clad

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exterior. Um
cost becomes a huge factor in this. Um

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the cost of doing the vinyl window verse
the aluminum clad window is almost three

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times as much. So, we're really
kind of reducing how much, you know,

411
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,960
can't how much can be done for these
properties, you know, improving the

412
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,280
» I totally get it and I'm very
sympathetic and you guys do great work

413
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:36,480
for the community and I don't want to
discount that. Uh, our our task, our

414
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,960
assignment sitting on this board is to
apply the Secretary of Interior

415
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:46,480
standards uh to the historic district.
Um and while sympathetic and

416
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:51,680
appreciative of the cause, we still have
to maintain those standards. And so if

417
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:56,560
there's a way of working or doing it in
phases to maintain aluminum clad wood

418
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:02,319
window or maybe even a lesser maybe a
fiberglass window would be an option. Um

419
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:08,079
but not vinyl on the public facing
rightways.

420
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:13,119
» And just against Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
>> Oh, I was just I was going to say the

421
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:18,800
same thing. I really appreciate um the
color change and

422
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:24,160
um you know all the attempts here to
match the palette and go back to a more

423
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:28,880
historic bronze frame. But I I was going
to say the exact same thing that Alex is

424
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:36,319
saying. And I also think for the
longevity of the organization, it um

425
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:42,000
obviously would be a larger investment
now to do fiberglass or aluminum clad

426
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:47,440
wood on the public facing side, but um
the reality is that those are going to

427
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:55,000
last longer than the vinyl. And so you
do have the monetary savings over the

428
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,000
life of the window.

429
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:05,920
» Yeah. And um to get some clarity too,
just to make sure um when you were

430
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:10,560
saying the um like public facing I think
was the word or so all of the windows on

431
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:16,960
the scope because we're looking at the
front and the side. Do you view those

432
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:20,560
the same or would like the side have the
opportunity to be viewed differently

433
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:25,119
than the front?
I think the side presentation you showed

434
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:29,520
was facing I don't know if that was 32nd
what whatever the side numbered street

435
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:35,680
was that would also be the same aluminum
clad wood window or perhaps fiberglass.

436
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:43,119
» Okay. Um,
so the

437
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:50,400
fiberglass is another option outside of
the aluminum clad and that is offered.

438
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:57,359
Um, you know, something that we can get
in a bronze color. Um, so that is

439
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,280
something that we could explore. But,
you know, I guess if the vinyl is

440
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:06,720
getting um, you know, is not going to be
approved,

441
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:10,560
would the fiber an all fiberglass frame
that's bronze exterior, is that

442
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,119
something that would be acceptable for
all those?

443
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,720
» I'm going to defer to Margaret for that
one.

444
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:24,040
» Uh, yes, I I've that is typically an
acceptable preservation

445
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,040
material.

446
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:32,000
» Okay.
Um

447
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:37,680
so yeah, I think that is kind of
um like we probably could move on to the

448
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:45,440
next uh building. Um
similar situation but different um

449
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:50,400
challenges with the colors. Uh so this
one is

450
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,880
um on the corner
basically directly across the street

451
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:58,400
from what we were just looking at. So
this is Lorraine and 32nd but on the

452
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:01,599
other side. So the first picture you're
seeing is the front of the building.

453
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:05,920
We're not doing anything on the front.
That's really just a context photo. Uh

454
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:09,520
the next one below that shows from the
corner. So you can get a start to get a

455
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:13,760
feel of what where the area that we are
talking about. The windows that we're

456
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:20,640
looking at are behind that tree. Um so
now as we if you scroll down you'll see

457
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:26,880
I kind of just zoomed up more. So now
the only windows facing 32nd that we

458
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:33,839
would be doing here are those three on
the second floor. Uh two in one opening

459
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:40,800
and then the other uh stand alone. The
windows that are currently there are

460
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:51,040
same idea um replacement window that's
uh older '90s style wood clad. um they

461
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:58,160
have a green exterior and SDL grids. So
what we would be proposing is

462
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:04,480
um using vinyl to maintain the color.
And if you scroll down, I think the next

463
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:10,319
one had um Okay. No, sorry. So also in
the scope of work is the back of the

464
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:13,280
building. these um five windows and
they're the same except for the one in

465
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:19,839
the middle that was replaced at some
point with a vinyl window. Um but same

466
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:24,720
idea like all
um these five plus the other three all

467
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:31,920
eight would would be getting a vinyl
window that's custom painted

468
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:35,280
with SDL grids um and the same pattern
that's there. The middle window doesn't

469
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:39,839
have a grid. it should because all the
rest they're all the same. Um so we'd be

470
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:46,040
bringing that window back to uh u
matching. Um so if you want to scroll to

471
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,040
the next.

472
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:55,760
So here's a closeup of what we looked at
looking at the those side windows that

473
00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:02,800
were on the upstairs. Same idea. Leave
the trim boards as painted wood. um

474
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:08,880
replace the window that's green that has
the one the four light um one by one

475
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:18,160
grid top and bottom. That would now be
an SDL grid and um the green color

476
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:24,319
that's here. We can get the vinyl window
can get a custom paint match. And if you

477
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:28,880
scroll down, I think I have kind of a
zoom in right there. So, that is the

478
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:33,280
color sample that we'd be sending to get
the windows. Um, which is a pretty

479
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:41,200
spot-on match with what's currently
there. Um, and I get the same scenario

480
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:49,359
of wanting um avoiding the vinyl windows
on the 32nd side. Um the hiccup that we

481
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:58,319
have with these is um getting a green
colored match um with either the um

482
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:04,000
the fiberglass or woodclad window. Um
this color just doesn't exist in those

483
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:07,440
products where we could accurately match
the other windows that are on the

484
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:14,559
building and other like elements that
are painted this green color. So being

485
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:20,079
able to use the vinyl window lets us
get the cut, you know, the exact match

486
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:24,000
on the green um that you see there. And
if you want to scroll down, I don't know

487
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:30,400
if I have any other photos. Yeah. So
same same scenario here. Um this is the

488
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:36,280
same message from the last one. Um, so
yeah, if any feedback or questions on

489
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,280
this building,

490
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:45,119
» same same feedback as as before. If
those windows that's on the screen are

491
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:52,079
facing the backyard only and not visible
from the public right away, uh maybe

492
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:56,359
vinyl, but for the ones that are on 32nd
there, same same comments.

493
00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:04,160
» Okay. And where we would have a
challenge on replacing those would be

494
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:09,359
getting that that same green color. So
in order like if we explored doing like

495
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:14,160
a fiberglass window
um

496
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:19,200
is like we would we would be able to get
I don't know a different color and um

497
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:23,599
that would be approved like for that
side.

498
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:29,680
Yeah, Andy, my recommendation was
actually going to be maybe default to a

499
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:33,440
color. Uh the green is is lovely and I
appreciate like the effort to match it,

500
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:38,160
but I I wonder if you guys could save
cost by picking a color that you could

501
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:45,200
apply to both fiberglass and vinyl and
then just doing that consistently.

502
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:49,680
So like for the 32nd side or I guess for
all the windows doing like a bronze or

503
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,400
something that comes in the driver comes
in and just making them all that same

504
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,760
color. I
>> I think so. And I also wanted to add

505
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,880
that I don't know if there's additional
cost savings if you were to eliminate

506
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:04,880
the SDLs on these windows. This view in
particular like I doubt that those had

507
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:08,800
divisions. They were likely just double
hung windows if if they're original at

508
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:13,119
all. Like if there was any semblance of
an original window there. Um I don't

509
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,920
know if Margaret would have an opinion
on that, but I would say

510
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:21,119
» I was gonna say same thing, Nia.
>> Yeah, nyx the grids. Hopefully there's a

511
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:24,880
little positive cost there and just yeah
do a non-custom color that you can do in

512
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:29,079
both and hopefully that will yield a
little bit of a friendlier cost.

513
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:36,400
» Okay. Um, so I guess if I look at that
32nd side,

514
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:40,640
um,
moving to bronze, you still we should

515
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,359
still have the grid, but you're saying
do a grid in between the glass

516
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:49,680
» and if it's roof,
>> no grid at all. Just let them be double

517
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:55,200
home windows and yeah, definitely not
between the glass in any scenario. I

518
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:59,040
just don't see I I just don't think that
that would have even had those. That was

519
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:03,040
probably some creative input at a
replacement, previous replacement that I

520
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:08,880
don't think you need to spend on
recreating.

521
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:13,119
» Okay. So, and the windows below like the
the I like at least for the time being,

522
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,559
they would not, you know, they would not
match with the the ones that we're

523
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:21,440
replacing above,
like that's not an issue at this point.

524
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:27,680
Like if we were to do those, like that
wouldn't raise a flag or anything.

525
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:31,280
It doesn't for me in particular.
Um if other committee members feel

526
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:36,559
differently,
they can say so. But I it does not

527
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:42,400
bother me in the interest of achieving
the goals of the project. And you know

528
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:47,599
swapping vinyl for fiberglass on the
front facing facades. Um if the tradeoff

529
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:53,359
if this can yield you positive um cost
impact to help trade offset that then

530
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:57,160
that to me is worth worth it.
even if they're a little mismatched.

531
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:04,000
» Okay.
Um so if any other questions or

532
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:08,920
anything, we can move on to the next
property if um if there's no other

533
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,920
input.

534
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:19,520
Okay. So last is a little further down
the street on Lraine. Um this is

535
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:24,240
two sides to the building that we'd be
working on. Uh if you go to the next

536
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:30,240
slide. [clears throat]
So this is the front and sec again

537
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:37,920
second story. There's a total of five.
Uh currently they're um same idea

538
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:44,079
windows around similar age woodclad
white exterior with green aluminum

539
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:47,839
capping that is covering the wood. So
right now this what's different about

540
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:53,200
this building that that those exist the
existing trim boards are already capped

541
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:56,652
in a green color. Um so that's the
upstairs five windows. If you go to the

542
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,160
next slide
[clears throat]

543
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:07,440
now this is the side of the building.
It's not really it faces the parking

544
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:14,319
lot. It doesn't face the street. Um and
those windows are currently

545
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:18,800
white exterior with white aluminum trim.
Um,

546
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:24,559
so that's just around the side of the
building. If you go to the next slide,

547
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:31,520
that's a this is just a closeup of one
of those side windows. Um,

548
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:35,680
white window, white capping. And if you
want to go to the next.

549
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:42,800
So now this is a closeup of the front of
the building. White window with the

550
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:48,799
green aluminum capping around it.
And next slide.

551
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:52,000
So this is showing a color sample like
what we were proposing. And obviously I

552
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:57,920
I kind of know the direction of what at
le for the front windows, you know,

553
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:02,000
getting the vinyl a vinyl window that's
white and then doing the green capping

554
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:06,880
around it. So just based on the other
buildings, I'm sure this would fall into

555
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:10,400
that same context of yes, do a white
fiberglass.

556
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:14,799
And then in this case though, I would
not want to leave the trim boards as

557
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:21,280
painted wood cuz they're already covered
with the aluminum. And this would it'll

558
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:25,359
the best thing to do is just reddo the
aluminum capping cuz underneath that

559
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:30,240
wood's going to be pretty badly
deteriorated. And I think painting it

560
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:35,200
just doesn't make sense. So, putting in
um like what we were going to propose

561
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:43,119
was white vinyl window with the this
color green um aluminum trim around it

562
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:46,240
and um you know if that needs I guess if
we need to evaluate that as a white

563
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,624
fiberglass with the green trim that
would I feeling like that that kind of

564
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:53,359
would be the direction. Um, and if
[clears throat] we talk about those side

565
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,599
windows, I think if you go to the next
slide, I don't know if I had anything.

566
00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:03,520
Okay, so yeah, this then the side
windows then, um, we were kind of

567
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:08,240
viewing those as not being street facing
that they go to the parking lot. Um, so

568
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:14,400
definitely like the back, similar to the
back um of the previous building we just

569
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:22,799
looked at that getting a vinyl window
approved for the for the these side ones

570
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:27,520
that aren't street facing um
and have them be white vinyl with white

571
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:31,680
aluminum.
>> I think because it's still I mean I

572
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:37,040
assume that that photo is taken from
West 33rd there as the note reflects. So

573
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:43,079
that's still the public right away. I
would apply my prior comments to this

574
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,079
facade as well.

575
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:57,280
» Okay. [clears throat] And so I guess
then a move to fiberglass

576
00:57:52,160 --> 00:58:02,240
on side and front. Um but maintaining a
white color and

577
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:05,760
» doing the aluminum grain trim would be
acceptable.

578
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:12,000
I think that you can have flexibility
with color here. So if I you know if

579
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:17,839
there's a cost savings to order
everything in the bronze.

580
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:25,119
Um I actually we off often see that the
buildings from this era originally had

581
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:34,000
darker painted sashes. So it is um would
be nice maybe even preferable to go with

582
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:42,440
the darker color sash.
And I'm okay with um maintaining the

583
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:42,440
aluminum capping.

584
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:51,200
» I don't know what others think.
>> I am also okay with that. And I was also

585
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:58,480
going to suggest either a bronzer or
just a universal color that's not white.

586
00:58:53,680 --> 00:59:02,319
Um Andy, did you tell us which brands
just like what brands would you guys

587
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:05,520
install for vinyl or fiberglass? So, you
guys have a suppliers that you work

588
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:09,839
with?
>> Yep. Yeah. So, what you're seeing right

589
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:14,640
there, that's kind of the cover of the
vinyl window. Um, it's made by Oakna.

590
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:20,799
It's definitely,
you know, in our opinion, like a vinyl

591
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:26,960
window that is held in, um, in terms of
quality, a lot higher than just your

592
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:30,640
your typical vinyl window. Um, so this
is the primary vinyl product that we

593
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:35,440
use. A lot of customization that we can
do with it. Um it's overall like when

594
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:41,440
you look at from like technical data
just performance. Um

595
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:48,400
so that would be the vinyl window. The
fiberglass windows that we sell are made

596
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:52,480
by Marvin. Um and actually the this
vinyl window has

597
00:59:50,751 --> 00:59:57,920
[clears throat and cough] a longer
warranty and better energy efficiency

598
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:03,920
than the fiberglass window. So, you
know, it is I, you know, like in terms

599
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:07,440
of longevity and just um, you know,
long-term improvement to the building,

600
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:12,400
like we definitely view the vinyl window
as being something that probably has

601
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:17,119
even potentially a longer lifespan than
the fiberglass, just if I was to go by

602
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:25,599
the warranty that's offered by the
manufacturer on on the product.

603
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:29,119
» Okay. Thank you for um clarifying. I am
very familiar with Marvin and their

604
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:33,680
fiberglass product, but not as familiar
with the Oakna product. Um, I might be

605
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:39,760
dissenting from my colleagues in that in
this particular building, I would accept

606
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:44,400
vinyl on the um
parking lot facing side of the building.

607
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:51,599
um
just in again in the interest of this

608
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:56,559
particular owner's uh commitment to
service um and the fact that they're

609
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:02,799
using grant money and wanting to you
know ensure that they're able to utilize

610
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:07,599
their funds efficiently. So that's just
that's my one opinion. Um

611
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:12,559
but otherwise yeah I think just in
agreement with everything else that has

612
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:17,760
been said
Danction.

613
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:21,280
» Yes please. asks.
>> Um, if it's okay with my fellow

614
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:26,880
committee members and with the applicant
that we would table this so that they

615
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:32,799
could uh redo their proposal in either
aluminum clad or fiberglass windows and

616
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:37,880
present those options at a future uh
design review meeting uh for approval.

617
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:46,000
I was Yeah, I was gonna say if that
could be an option. Um

618
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:50,000
or Dan, I'm not sure if it would be
better if that could work or because we

619
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,680
don't have quorum right now if they can
make adjustments to the proposal and go

620
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:58,720
straight to the committee. I would lean
on your recommendation.

621
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:02,319
» Um yeah, either options. uh they could,
you know, move forward with the the

622
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:07,599
feedback from you guys today, make some
adjustments and and be on our commission

623
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:12,400
meeting next week or um if they wanted
to explore the fiberglass aluminum clad

624
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:18,000
options. Essentially, we you know call
it table postponed um and then they

625
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:21,920
could present to you guys in uh two
weeks um with the expectation that if

626
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:26,400
you guys were fine with it, it wouldn't
need to go to the full commission. Um,

627
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:31,920
so either I think either is an easy path
forward.

628
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:37,119
» It's up to you, Andy.
>> Yeah, I guess the, you know, and I

629
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:42,079
obviously need to talk with Jim and
Westside and go over, you know,

630
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:49,280
financial of how this would impact
things to like see what the scope of

631
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:55,680
work can be. But um is there a way to
not that we would exactly go this route,

632
01:02:51,520 --> 01:03:01,280
but if we were to make the changes from
vinyl to fiberglass

633
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:06,079
and use the color
um you know, matching colors or like you

634
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:11,200
said for the green one, changing that to
a a bronze,

635
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:14,960
would this still need to go to like
would we need to do this the pres like

636
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,839
like what we're doing right Should we or
is this something that I I just don't

637
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:22,880
know the process of like if we make
those changes like what then where does

638
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:28,160
it go from there?
>> Um like if you kind of take into account

639
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:35,280
all of the um the comments you received
today and then change your presentation

640
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:37,839
um since we don't have forum um it will
it would need to go to the

641
01:03:36,728 --> 01:03:43,680
[clears throat] landmarks commission for
for final approval. um you know or you

642
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:48,559
could do like Alec suggested and and
come back to this committee to try and

643
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:51,839
get an approval in a couple weeks. Um so
I guess it it I mean if you're

644
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,280
interested in making those changes, it
sounds like there's you know there's

645
01:03:52,880 --> 01:04:00,880
going to be some research involved with
it. Um because that's something you

646
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:05,039
think you'd be ready to uh to move
forward with landmarks next week. um you

647
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,599
know with we we'd need like a
resubmission by the end of this week or

648
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:12,480
if you need a little more time it make
might make more sense to give yourself

649
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:16,400
the extra week and just come back to
this committee.

650
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:20,319
» My my preference would be just to come
back to this committee and and follow

651
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:25,160
the normal process and get a vote of
approval or not and then proceed.

652
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:34,000
So Andy, I ask, are you agreeable to
tableabling this so that you can go and

653
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:39,119
do your homework and then come back?
>> Yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely it

654
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:44,240
requires a conversation with um you
know, restructuring the scope of work

655
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:49,200
based on the material change. Um, but I
think, you know,

656
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:54,240
just to summarize, just to make sure I'm
having all my thoughts, um,

657
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:59,760
you know, like to give a the best chance
of approval, um, looking at the first

658
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:06,079
property, given that all the windows
face, Lorraine, and 32nd, they would all

659
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:10,559
need to be a fiberglass product, but
maintain bronze color on all of them,

660
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:16,240
you know, with fiberglass sounded like
that would be the direction that you'd

661
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:20,240
be looking for um the second building
using a vinyl product on the back five

662
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:26,960
windows.
Um pivoting to a bronze color that would

663
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:34,640
match um the three that are facing 30
second but moving those to a fiberglass

664
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:39,520
and having no grids on any of those uh
eight.

665
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:44,400
And then for the last building, um,
front windows would require fiberglass.

666
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:50,160
That would be like doing white would
make the most sense finan like costwise.

667
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:57,680
Um, so the front windows be fiberglass,
but kind of still ask for, hey, can we

668
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:02,240
do vinyl on the side knowing that it'll
be decision of yes, vinyl is acceptable

669
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:07,200
for the side um the like parking lot
side or no, that'll have to be

670
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:10,559
fiberglass too. That's kind of like Does
that summary make sense where this would

671
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:15,359
be something that' be easy to like
understand and like kind of for you guys

672
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:19,319
to make a decision about?
>> Yes, I think that works.

673
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:29,359
» Okay. So, yeah, I think if can you put
us on the docket for the next meeting

674
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:33,359
then that's in two weeks from today?
>> Yeah. Yeah, we'll keep you penciled in

675
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:37,119
and um if you can get us an updated
presentation um just work with Jessica.

676
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:43,319
She'll she'll send a follow-up to the
meeting and and let you know when we'll

677
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,319
need updates and all that.

678
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:51,680
» Okay, got it.
>> All right. Well, thank you very much.

679
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:55,599
» Do we need to Oh, yeah. We can't make a
motion to table.

680
01:06:52,559 --> 01:07:01,200
» Yeah. Yeah. There's no no action to be
taken. So, we could call postponed or

681
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:06,319
something else or I don't know.
Um, but yeah, next up we have case

682
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:11,359
HC26-19
at 1898 West 25th Street. Um,

683
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:16,319
renovations. I believe we have Kevin
Oligler and Doug Powski here

684
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:22,319
presentation up.
>> Yes, good morning. Um, and we saw this

685
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:27,440
one um, schematically a few months ago
and and I guess previously a few I don't

686
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:33,599
know at some point in the in the past.
So um, Evan, I'll let you through.

687
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:38,720
» Yes. Yeah, I'll let you walk us through
the uh, proposal.

688
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:44,400
» Okay, great. Um, thank you again. Thank
you everyone for your time. Um, as was

689
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:49,920
just mentioned, this is the proposed
work to the Gats building at 1898 West

690
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:54,240
25th Street. Um, it's a little narrow
building kind of highlighted in red

691
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:57,480
there um on West 25th. If you go to the
next slide,

692
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:07,520
um, again, just kind of looking um kind
of the market is there on Lraine and we

693
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:10,880
are a block or two northward of that.
Next slide, please.

694
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:18,400
Um existing photos top row kind of shows
from left to right the corner um gets

695
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:25,440
building is labeled there in the middle
and then pins mechanical um is slightly

696
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:30,960
lower to the right of it. Um and kind of
the uh front facade condition and then

697
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:37,359
the lower images show the rear of that
block and um bottom right is the current

698
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:40,359
condition of the rear facade.
Next.

699
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:48,480
Um, so the building does go the full
depth of the um the block and it sits

700
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:52,159
entirely on the uh footprint of the
parcel

701
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:56,199
with the existing parking lot remaining
at the rear. Um, next.

702
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:04,159
And um so the left here is um sort of
existing conditions and the right is

703
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:09,359
proposed. So essentially on the front,
we're proposing to replace um the

704
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:16,239
existing storefront and um boarded up
areas with new uh storefront windows,

705
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:23,839
framing, doors, um painted fiber cement
trim and accents to um repair or replace

706
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:31,440
um damaged pieces that currently exist.
um as well as um the the previously

707
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:37,759
removed um prism glass in the transom
area, we're proposing to reinstall

708
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:45,480
behind the new um storefront system that
would be in the same location.

709
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:45,480
Um, next.

710
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:57,600
And then on the rear, um, taking the,
uh, deteriorated and damaged window

711
01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:03,360
areas and infilling those with, uh, some
some prefinished framing and metal

712
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,159
panels. And then further back in the
front threetory portion on the rear side

713
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:13,520
of that, installing the same um dark
gray uh prefinished metal panels on that

714
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:20,480
exterior as well. Um just to keep those
two consistent um materials at the back

715
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:25,679
there. Um and replacing um the sills at
those openings as well that are

716
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:28,679
deteriorated on the rear.
Next.

717
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:36,800
Um so again, some of the um materials
indicated we're going to be um puck

718
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:42,640
pointing and repairing masonry on the
rear that's needed and the infill will

719
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:48,719
be with um the u pre-finished metal
panel. That that image on the top shows

720
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:54,159
the profile, not the color of it. Um and
then again the um charcoal gray uh new

721
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:58,520
storefront aluminum prefinished system
and gray glass at the front facade.

722
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:07,440
And I think that might be it. Oh, so
sorry. Some floor plans for context. Um

723
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:13,520
kind of also looking at this. The on the
right is the front of the building on

724
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:19,360
West 25th. And so the renovations are
installing a new two-story stair there

725
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:25,040
so that as you walk up that stair, you
will be adjacent to the um installed

726
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:30,400
prism glass um that is behind the new
storefront, but it'll be um sort of

727
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:35,920
visually accessible from inside the
building and give you a chance to um see

728
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:42,360
it where you wouldn't have um otherwise
when there weren't stairs there.

729
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,360
If you go to the next slide

730
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:53,239
and this this is um roof plan. Next
slide.

731
01:11:54,560 --> 01:12:01,199
And this is sort of a diagrammatic
section through the front of the

732
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:05,920
building as it faces West 25th. So, kind
of showing the the area of the stairs

733
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:09,679
that are cut in this section, but as
they pass by that transom area. And so,

734
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:13,120
we'll have the new storefront at the
exterior of the building and then

735
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:19,280
immediately behind it um install the
prism glass um at that same location um

736
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:27,239
just just within the envelope of the
building um and accessible to sort of

737
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:27,239
people to get a better view of it there.

738
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:35,679
Um, I don't know if we have another page
in here. Yep. And you know, just a kind

739
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:41,600
of a exterior concept perspective of
what that uh looks like from the street

740
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:48,520
with the the stairs in the front and the
um renovations and new storefront and

741
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:48,520
trim on the front of the building.

742
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:56,120
» That's the last one.
>> Perfect.

743
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:07,520
Um, I greatly appreciate the uh
reinstallation of the prism glass. Have

744
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:11,560
you do you have the original?
>> Yes. Okay,

745
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:21,520
that was really Oh, and then for tuck
pointing, you know, we always would like

746
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:26,800
to specify for the this older building,
the historic border, um that the border

747
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:31,520
match
the aggregate and the color of the

748
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:39,320
historic as closely as possible. And
then also have a high lime content so

749
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,320
that it's not overly hard.

750
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:52,159
Thanks, Margaret. I had the same
question about the prism glass because I

751
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:56,960
know that that has been a challenge with
previous I don't know years years old

752
01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:04,520
proposals um for this business owner.
So, um this this looks this looks really

753
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,520
good in my opinion.

754
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:19,440
And we can't make a motion, right? We
still don't have corum. So,

755
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:24,880
» if I could make a motion, I'd make one
to approve. [laughter]

756
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:29,840
» I would agree. So, unless Alex and
Whitney have any other dis like

757
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:32,560
dissenting or additional comments.
>> No,

758
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:37,360
» go ahead, Whitney.
>> Okay.

759
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:46,040
I think that I missed the uh initial
presentation. What is the justification

760
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:46,040
for the um window removal on the rear?

761
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:56,159
So they are they are deteriorated um you
know enclosures back there and it is it

762
01:14:53,679 --> 01:15:02,719
is um sort of a patchwork of I don't
know if you go back then patchwork of

763
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:09,000
infills and pieces and parts and so um
that's

764
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,000
» yeah there in the bottom right.

765
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:16,640
Yeah, in the the previous proposal when
this came for schematic, I believe you

766
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:21,760
were going to brick those in. Um I
believe if I recall that at during that

767
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:26,000
meeting, um I think it was just was that
the one where it was just Chris

768
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:30,640
» giving you guys feedback and he he had
recommended instead of trying to match

769
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:35,120
the brick and you can see there's a a
variety of different colors of brick

770
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:39,280
there. Um, so that instead of trying to
pick one or trying to have a medium, it

771
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:43,199
would be easier just to utilize a
similar metal panel than that is being

772
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:49,040
utilized higher up on the building to
kind of give it a finished look um but

773
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:56,040
not try to match anything that's already
there and um end up offsetting other

774
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,040
things.

775
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:01,280
it
>> I also think that's more easily

776
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,560
removable if someone were to ever
reinstate

777
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:11,120
window
>> is it is natural light um just not

778
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:16,480
desired for the use of the interior of
the building

779
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:22,560
» that portion is where a new um exit
stair is being installed so that's at

780
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:28,640
that rear end of the building that that
back 10 ft is the egress stair currently

781
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:32,800
the building, it only had sort of one
stair in the middle. And so to use it as

782
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:38,520
deep as it is, we really need two ways
of that second floor. And that's what

783
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:38,520
the rear stair is providing for us.

784
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:53,520
Okay. I I think I share Margaret's
opinion. I think the metal panels are

785
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,520
preferable
far prefer more preferable than brick so

786
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:02,640
that it could be easily removed and
windows installed should a future or

787
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:08,280
different use be needed.
So it keeps the historic opening. So I'm

788
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,280
fine with that.

789
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:19,520
If there's nothing else, I know that we
can't make a motion, but um I guess Dan

790
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:26,480
for your notes to communicate to
landmarks that um I would make a motion

791
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:32,960
to approve approve as presented then and
I think we would have a majority there.

792
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:38,080
Tell me if I'm wrong.
>> I see some some nodding heads.

793
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:42,400
» Um and thumbs up. All right. Well, we
we'll we'll I'll I'll pass that on to

794
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:48,320
the commission.
Thank you. Um Kevin, thank you. Uh Doug,

795
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:51,440
thanks.
>> Thanks everyone.

796
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:55,960
» And we'll we'll be we'll be in touch for
next steps. Thanks.

797
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,960
» Okay.

798
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:11,280
» All right. Uh next up we have
case uh HOC 26-33

799
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:16,960
at 4227 Lorraine Avenue. Dar Tires. Um,
got blank signs here.

800
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:22,239
Um, Nick, uh, do you want to walk us
through your presentation?

801
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:27,520
» Uh, sure. Uh, [clears throat]
we got a simple sign for you. It's a ACM

802
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:32,400
panel. Uh, as you can see, this is the
overview of the building. And where it

803
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:38,600
says S1, that's the entrance into the
business.

804
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,600
Can you go to the next slide, please?

805
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:47,280
Uh, this is going to be the ACM panel.
Uh, it's going to be um, sorry I can't

806
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:50,600
read this. Let me switch to my screen
real quick.

807
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:05,840
So, it's a digitally printed laminated
uh, 3mm uh, ACM panel uh, mechanically

808
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:14,320
fastened to the wall. It's going to be
red fonts uh with the white background.

809
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:17,040
Uh next uh slide please. I think that'll
be the end of it.

810
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,520
» That is Yeah, that's the only one we
have.

811
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,520
» Yep.

812
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:32,679
Does anyone have any feedback?

813
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:52,960
I mean, it's such a simple sign. I guess
I don't have any uh feedback though

814
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:57,840
outside the scope of this presentation.
It would be nice if the tires were not

815
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:01,480
stored um right there on the street.
>> On the street. Yeah.

816
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:09,120
I mean, my feedback is always the same
with the signs that they be mounted

817
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:12,520
through a mortar joint rather than
through the masonry.

818
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:27,760
All right. Any any other feedback
recommendations to be passed on to the

819
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:32,000
uh commission?
>> Not for me either. Straightforward.

820
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:38,880
Looks good.
All right. Well, that was easy. Um,

821
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:42,719
all right. Now, uh, we will be in touch
with next steps, but I believe we have

822
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:47,120
it penciled in for, um, next week's
commission meeting since we, um, don't

823
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:53,040
have quorum here today.
>> Oh, okay. So, we can't approve it today.

824
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:56,480
» Um, not without quorum. Um,
>> okay. But

825
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:00,960
» yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, we'll we'll
we'll be in touch. Um, okay. Today or

826
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,199
tomorrow.
Uh, do you know what day it is next

827
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:08,320
week?
>> Um, it would be Thursday. Uh, those

828
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:12,239
meetings start at 9:15. Um, they're
they're virtual or in person, whichever

829
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,600
is easier for you.
>> Perfect. Okay. Thank you so much.

830
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,159
» All right. Thank you.
>> All right. See you guys.

831
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:28,719
» All right. Next up, we have uh some
renovations proposed

832
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:40,480
uh at 5505
uh-9 Lraine Avenue, case HOC26-34.

833
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:44,800
Um I think we got Mike McCre here. Uh
>> yes. Hello. Good afternoon.

834
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:50,080
» Great. Hey, you want to walk us through
your presentation?

835
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:54,080
» Sure. Uh we're proposing a extensive
renovation to this obviously neglected

836
01:21:52,719 --> 01:22:02,000
building. As you can see on this first
slide, it's in really poor shape. Um

837
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:07,840
it's going to house retail and then
co-op offices on the second floor.

838
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:14,480
Uh just real you could see on this photo
at the top left that the and I saw this

839
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:21,600
the second floor has not been demoed but
you could see in one area the old header

840
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:26,800
the original header of the window. So,
the windows you see in that top left

841
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:30,800
photo, there's a fiberglass panel above
those double hungs, which one of the

842
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:36,080
things we will be doing to all the
windows on the second floor is restoring

843
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:40,360
them to their original rough opening.
Um, next slide.

844
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,360
Next slide.

845
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:56,880
Oh, did we? Well, the other one just
showed adjacent structures. So, you can

846
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:02,880
see kind of Unfortunately, this is
somewhat of a neglected area as of now.

847
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:07,440
It's a short span where some buildings
have not really seen much care over the

848
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:13,440
years, but we're looking to bring this
one back to life in this corridor. Uh,

849
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:20,719
next slide. Just this is just showing
what we proposed to demo. We'll be

850
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:26,000
demoing the existing storefront,
keeping the bulkhead, just removing the

851
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:31,360
cladding, repairing any sheeting that
needs and replacing

852
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:36,159
that trim with Azac sheeting and trim
board. And we'll be putting in a

853
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:39,800
aluminum black storefront.
Uh, next slide.

854
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:55,760
This again just shows the proposed floor
plan. Uh, next slide please.

855
01:23:51,840 --> 01:24:02,480
This shows what we're proposing will be
restoring the existing roof cornice,

856
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:08,960
replacing any brackets that are damaged
with similar and any of the trim work

857
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:13,520
we'll be replacing as well.
Uh again, as I stated earlier, we'll be

858
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:19,840
restoring the windows to their original
heights on the second floor.

859
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:24,800
The storefront cornice is missing in
place, is badly damaged. We'll be

860
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:30,719
replacing that with
uh AAC cornice,

861
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:36,880
trim board, and crown
to match the existing.

862
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:43,360
Uh any damaged brick will be replaced.
We'll be cleaning it, ridding it of the

863
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:48,000
graffiti, and tuck pointing as needed.
As I stated before, we'll be removing

864
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:56,159
the existing cladding at the bulkhead of
the storefront, replacing with AAC

865
01:24:52,159 --> 01:25:02,400
and painted Tricorn black. All the trim
and cornises and the bays will also be

866
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:06,960
in that tricorn black.
Um

867
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:12,080
we'll be cleaning all the stone sills
and lentils that will remain. Same with

868
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:18,320
the peers, the capitals and the plits.
All will remain as well. Uh we'll be

869
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:23,199
installing new exterior lighting up and
down. They'll be uh able to do up and

870
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:30,159
down lighting.
Um and then on the east side, you can

871
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:33,360
see the corner will there's no
storefront there now. that's just

872
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:37,600
boarded up. We'll be placing a
storefront in the corner. And then

873
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:43,040
there's another
masonry opening on this east side that

874
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:49,600
we will be installing a new storefront
as well with bulkhead to match the rest.

875
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:54,560
The back building currently has two
overhead doors. We'll replace one

876
01:25:51,679 --> 01:26:00,800
overhead door with a full view aluminum
door and the other one with a

877
01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:06,960
storefront. And then we'll be removing
these old missing glass block transoms

878
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:11,679
on that back section as well and filling
with block. And we'll be removing one of

879
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:18,159
the man doors and then filling that with
block as well. Then painting that

880
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:25,920
existing block with uh the tri tricorn
black. the roof over that entry to that

881
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:32,080
back space will be replacing the siding
with uh Hardy

882
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:36,679
uh plank siding.
Uh let me next slide.

883
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:49,920
We will also the tongue and groove
softening at the storefronts um we'll be

884
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:54,159
replacing with Azac beadboard
tongue and groove that will or sheeting

885
01:26:51,920 --> 01:27:00,679
our sheets I'm sorry that will be also
painted tricorn black

886
01:26:56,719 --> 01:27:00,679
and then next slide

887
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:12,239
this is just uh I apologize the one on
the east view that block does not look

888
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:17,920
tricorn black, but it will be. But this
kind of gives you an idea of what the

889
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:23,199
restored building will look like. We
will also I forgot to say fit the roof

890
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:28,800
is in horrible shape. So, a new roof on
both the back structure and the twotory

891
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:33,159
structure will be done.
And then if you go to the next slide,

892
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:41,920
that just shows you the storefront
storefront color glazing

893
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:44,920
that we propose. It'll be black. Next
slide.

894
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:54,880
This shows the overhead door that we're
proposing for the back unit. And then we

895
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:59,440
are proposing Anderson 100. It's a
fiberglass window.

896
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:04,400
It'll be the exterior will be black,
interior will be black and or single

897
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:14,440
hung, I'm sorry. And then it'll be a two
up, two down divide with uh SDL grids.

898
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:14,440
Next slide.

899
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:23,440
And then that just shows the trim and
that we'll be using and the beadboard

900
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:28,560
sheeting.
And then the proposed light fixture,

901
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:34,760
that one is not shown in black, but that
will be black. And all trim will be

902
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,760
painted the tricorn black.

903
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:41,560
And I'll uh shut up and open it to uh
comments.

904
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:48,080
» Thanks, Mike.
>> Yes.

905
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:54,080
» Um
I think overall as a whole this is very

906
01:28:50,880 --> 01:29:00,560
agreeable. Thank you for a clear um
presentation and drawing set. I have a

907
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:05,280
question about or I more like what what
are our thoughts on the divisions of the

908
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,000
storefront? I think the existing
building has some more vertical

909
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:13,920
divisions than the proposed
though.

910
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:16,639
It's I I would I don't know. It's hard
to say if that could be original or if

911
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:20,159
that was a replacement at some other
point. I'm curious, like Margaret in

912
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:23,679
particular, what your thoughts might be
on the historic accuracy of the

913
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:28,120
divisions in the storefront and if we
need more or if it looks good as is.

914
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:36,239
» Um, so you're asking me this question,
correct?

915
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:40,800
» Yeah, I'm just asking more like for the
for the group too, like do because you

916
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:43,760
can see in existing photos and I'm I'm
vaguely familiar with the building. I've

917
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:48,000
been in it a couple times, but
>> that there's more vertical divisions.

918
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:50,239
Dan, can you go to sl one?
>> Yeah, sorry. That would be upper left

919
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,080
corner.
>> That's what I'm looking at on my screen.

920
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:59,440
And I really didn't realize we weren't
all looking at the same thing. Yeah. So,

921
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:05,679
we see more vertical divisions in those
um storefronts currently.

922
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:10,239
» And if we know if we have historic
evidence of what was there, I would

923
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:13,040
prefer to match that. Though, also
without seeing it kind of literally in

924
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,080
my face, it's hard to say if that's
original or not. So, I'm depending on

925
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:21,520
your
uh you know, testimony of oh, this is an

926
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:26,960
original anyways or what you you know,
>> I I did do some digging and I was unable

927
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:32,159
to find much information on this
building. I think the last time it was

928
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:37,920
occupied was maybe 14.
Um the storefronts, it's a

929
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:45,120
mismatch of new aluminum and then the
old wood. Um,

930
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:49,440
I I'm not objecting. I wouldn't be I'd
be fine with more vertical divides. Uh,

931
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:55,280
it was more or less as I looked through
it, they're not none of them are equal.

932
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:59,840
So, when I did do a test to see how it
would look with more vertical

933
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:08,400
some, you know, it wasn't proportional,
but I don't think it has to be either.

934
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:12,880
So truly I think I would agree that I
could see more verticals

935
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:17,520
maybe just in the bottom half and not
the trance. I don't know.

936
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:21,920
» Yeah, it looks like it looks like what's
currently there are there's more in the

937
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:24,880
bottom but not in the top like almost
like each one is divided in two on the

938
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:30,080
bottom.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely doable.

939
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:32,960
Yeah, I think that would be
agreeable just because we see it and we

940
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:36,400
know it's there. Margaret, what do you
think?

941
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:39,920
» I agree because I think it lines up with
the

942
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:45,719
the vertical lines that are coming down
from the windows in the bay above.

943
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:53,760
» It could be that that would be
that that would be something I'd have to

944
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:57,840
take a closer look at. I I don't It's
hard to tell from the picture, but it

945
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:04,800
just looks like, you know, that there's
a verticality in the lines that would

946
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:08,800
carry down with the additional divide,
>> but also like I think it's a more I

947
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:13,360
think it's a consideration like I don't
think it's going to kill the project,

948
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:17,440
» right? And I'm guessing, Margaret, we
just would not also have had those huge

949
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:21,120
sheets of glass at the building is
probably why. Correct.

950
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:25,360
» Yeah. So, I I'm I'm the same. I think
it's a consideration. It's more just

951
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:31,120
like a dis
a thought. Um

952
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:33,040
» I think uh it seems like you're and I'm
sorry. Are you the building owner or the

953
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:37,440
architect?
>> Architect.

954
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:43,040
» Okay. So obviously the um it seems like
you're taking a very classic approach to

955
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:47,280
you know restore replace kind. Um.
>> Mhm.

956
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:52,719
» And is there any specification on
I you mentioned boral like you know I

957
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:58,639
would say acceptable acceptable
replacements to wood if they aren't

958
01:32:55,120 --> 01:33:02,560
salvageable to to be like a non you know
boral type product

959
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:07,360
» or asac or
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just making sure that we're

960
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:10,560
not getting like the vinyl wrap. You
know, sometimes we build these bigger

961
01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:14,159
facads and then they end up with a vinyl
wrap and you're like, come on. But, you

962
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:18,639
know, just it seems like you have a lot
of notes, but maybe just being specific

963
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:23,199
in your specs about acceptable products
um in alignment with the secretary of

964
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:26,560
interior standards and then
>> and I think similar for mortar joint if

965
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,080
you have not specified the type of
mortar joint.

966
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:33,040
» Okay.
>> Protect pointing would be helpful so

967
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:36,239
that we don't end up with a hard
you know too hard of a mortar.

968
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:41,520
» No, I understood.
Okay.

969
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:44,560
Is is there a uh tenants already
signed for this building or is this for

970
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:48,880
future tenant?
>> Future tenants. So the the storefronts

971
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:52,639
and the back building will be white
boxed and then the offices will be built

972
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,600
out upstairs.
>> Okay. So there's no chance that those

973
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,600
would ever become an apartment or
anything like that. It's just going to

974
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,679
be office.
>> It Yeah. Because when they purchased the

975
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:06,159
building, a lot of the infrastructure
for what when the building was

976
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:10,639
conceived, it was apartments, but it
appeared that it had actually been

977
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:16,080
changed to some sort of office.
>> Okay. I only said it because it would be

978
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:18,800
a consideration perhaps to use double
hung rather than single if you needed

979
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:23,760
egress.
>> Yes, that's the building owner. Yeah. If

980
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:27,199
that if that's their if it's office,
that should be fine. So that was the

981
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:29,920
only reason I was thinking that.
Understood.

982
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:36,000
» Okay.
Looks good for me. Um, otherwise

983
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:40,880
» I also really appreciate this
presentation. I think it's very well

984
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:46,880
done. My only other note about the
masonry is have you specified any of the

985
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:52,480
cleaning and graffiti removal products?
>> Not yet. We are going to go through that

986
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:59,280
and with with the builder. Um because
you know you want some maybe proco

987
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:04,639
product that is approved for older or
historic buildings. That's a gentler

988
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:07,639
approach.
>> Okay.

989
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:17,280
» Um I I totally agree with Nia um and
Margaret about adding additional

990
01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:22,560
vertical divides in the first floor to
mirror the historic photo that's on the

991
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:26,480
screen there. I think between the uh
brick peers or pilasters there's an

992
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:31,360
extra set than what's shown on the
rendering on page seven. So with that

993
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:36,719
recommendation and then are you
rebuilding

994
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:39,280
uh exactly the cornice that is there? So
it's going to be the exact same

995
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:44,639
proportion same
>> it'll be proportions. It may not it may

996
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:50,159
not uh have the same reveal as that
existing cornice that sticks out pretty

997
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:54,239
far and it it could
it it could

998
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:58,159
lead to
damaging of the new storefront. You

999
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:04,320
know, it's just it's a place for water,
ice, snow to sit. It sticks out

1000
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:08,639
significantly.
It'll just it won't have that projection

1001
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:13,600
the top piece.
>> Okay. I think with proper

1002
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:20,320
pitch and flashing, you should be able
to avoid the rain and the,

1003
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:27,120
you know, icicles forming or whatever
off that. And and the proportion of that

1004
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:32,400
cornice is we should try to maintain
that. Often when buildings are uh

1005
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,040
redeveloped and and by the way, this is
a fantastic proposal and presentation. I

1006
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:42,560
really enjoyed it. uh but we lose the
proportion and it's very apparent that

1007
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:47,679
this building was redone because the
proportions are not kept and so I would

1008
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:52,159
strongly suggest that you maintain the
the same proportions of that cornice and

1009
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:56,880
that they not become smaller more
dimminionative because it will stand out

1010
01:36:54,080 --> 01:37:02,480
it will not look right and there are
very simple ways to avoid the problem

1011
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:08,960
you identified of you know icicles or
whatever coming off of it Okay.

1012
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:12,400
» And and I I I mean that I think that's
such an important characteristic of the

1013
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:17,119
building that I know we don't have a
quorum, but my vote would be contingent

1014
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:20,400
on matching that proportionality, but
otherwise this is a fantastic

1015
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:25,440
presentation.
>> Thank you. Um yeah, I mean we could

1016
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:30,000
definitely achieve it. Uh that was the
only thing I was thinking about the you

1017
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:36,960
know putting the money into it and would
it but I agree. I I think we can achieve

1018
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:41,280
it and should be able to do it. I mean
the depth of the oris is the same. It

1019
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:46,800
was just the projection was different.
>> Yeah. I mean when you go to a place like

1020
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:50,719
Rocker Park, it's readily apparent that
it has been Disneyi because the

1021
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,960
proportions are are wrong and we just
don't want to have that happen here. We

1022
01:37:52,239 --> 01:38:00,040
want to maintain maintain that scale.
>> Okay.

1023
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,040
» Thank you.

1024
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:07,440
» Yeah. I'm um in agreement. It's a really
really great presentation and I'm

1025
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:13,119
excited to see this building come back
to life. Um this is extremely minor and

1026
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:19,199
um
it would not be a sticking point if we

1027
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:24,239
were able to um take this to a vote, but
tricorn black can be such a a stark

1028
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:28,080
color and I'd love to see a softer
black. You can just especially with the

1029
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:33,040
contrast of the brick and there's so
much variation in brick and warmth and

1030
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:37,360
um you know my favorite is typically
green black. You can just see the

1031
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:41,840
material underneath it a bit more. Um
and so I love I love blacks. I love the

1032
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:45,840
dark colors that are popping up around
the neighborhood. But I just think

1033
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:50,480
tricorn on this structure might just
feel a little bit too stark.

1034
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:55,840
But
>> just a really minor thought.

1035
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,840
» Yeah, we can look at that.

1036
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:15,280
All right. Um, not hearing any other
comments. Um, right, Mike. We'll we'll

1037
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:19,760
be in touch with next steps, but uh
we'll probably have you go to the

1038
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:25,040
commission and I think you'll work
favorably upon a proposal because it's

1039
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:29,440
uh I'm excited to see this building
getting fixed up. I've driven by it I

1040
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:32,400
don't know how many times and such a
beautiful one. So,

1041
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:35,040
» yes, it it is.
>> Yeah. Thank you for your hard work on

1042
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:38,280
this.
>> Thank you.

1043
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:49,119
» All right. Next up, we have cage
HOC26-35

1044
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:54,560
at 416 Bridge Avenue. Um, Jerry, uh,
Jerry Coleman and Rebecca Weisenthal

1045
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:57,360
here, uh, for an addition. So, if you
guys want to walk us through your

1046
01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:00,639
presentation, just let me know when you
want me to advance the slides.

1047
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:05,440
» Yeah, perfect. Um, just to kick it off,
my name is Jerry Coleman. I'm the

1048
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:10,349
homeowner. Um, I purchased this house in
2016, 2017ish.

1049
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:12,960
It was condemned at the time. Um
[snorts]

1050
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:17,600
passed around by a lot of builders. Big
nuisance property in the area. Um fixed

1051
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:23,360
it up and built a huge addition, a nice
new garage at considerable expense. Um I

1052
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:28,480
live in it now and um my situation
changed where I've got remarried and

1053
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:33,520
I've got a pile of kids over here in
Ohio City and uh two of the boys are

1054
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:39,040
sharing a room that's also my office.
So, um, that's kind of where we got here

1055
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:43,960
or how we got here. And, uh, Rebecca
will kind of walk you guys through, um,

1056
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:43,960
our proposal.

1057
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:54,440
» Rebecca, you're muted. If you're

1058
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,760
bottom left,

1059
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:09,760
» all of these programs are all a little
different, but um sometimes if you just

1060
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:18,800
» Can you hear me?
>> Thank Sorry about that. Uh so Jerry told

1061
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:27,520
you why this is important to him. And if
you take a look at sheet A3, so just uh

1062
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:32,400
two slides, you're on A1 right now.
Great. And this though, this is showing

1063
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:38,159
the second floor, the existing second
floor as well as the proposed third

1064
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:43,520
floor. So if we if we zoom in a little
bit, you'll see that um Jerry's office

1065
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:50,639
right now is also a bedroom for two
boys, which is not working great. Uh

1066
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:55,920
what we're proposing is putting a stair
from the office up to the this new third

1067
01:41:54,239 --> 01:42:00,800
floor.
We're proposing the third floor be built

1068
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:05,920
in the middle of the house behind the
oldest part of the house. And this is

1069
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:10,320
actually the area of the house that was
an addition

1070
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:12,800
u back in 2017 I believe.
>> Yeah.

1071
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:17,679
» So we're we're not putting this in the
the very front over the old part of the

1072
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:22,719
house. So, you can see that little third
floor. We're proposing with two bedrooms

1073
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:29,119
for the boys, a small bathroom, and a
small utility closet for a uh relocated

1074
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:34,320
furnace.
And then I'd like you to look at A4, the

1075
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:39,440
next slide, which is this is showing the
back of the house first. And we have our

1076
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:46,320
two heights, one to mid rafter span and
also to the the new ridge. Um, and you

1077
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:50,719
can see that we're also not building out
over the very back of the house. So,

1078
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:56,560
this mass is just in the center of the
house. And then if we go one more slide

1079
01:42:53,760 --> 01:43:03,040
to A5,
you're going to see the front, the

1080
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:07,040
proposed front of the house. Uh, we're
trying to make it look like other houses

1081
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:11,199
in the neighborhood where there was
maybe something built in front and you

1082
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:16,880
can see the old house behind. We have
two small windows in the front to give

1083
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:23,280
it that that look.
And then I think what will help if we

1084
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:26,840
keep going through the slides to we have
some nice photographs.

1085
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:37,600
So on these sheets, if we look at the
photographs of the front of the house,

1086
01:43:35,679 --> 01:43:44,880
we can see if you could Can you make
that any bigger on can you zoom in on

1087
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:50,320
those photographs? Great. Thank you.
So to the west of

1088
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:57,040
Mr. Coleman's house. We have an old
house that has a store built in front of

1089
01:43:52,480 --> 01:44:02,239
it. And now we have 4016 bridge in the
middle there. So, we're proposing this

1090
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:08,159
new third floor built back from the
front. And it's it's quite a few feet

1091
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:13,119
back. In fact, it is we're proposing
almost 27 feet back from the front of

1092
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:19,840
the house. So, it's it's not going to be
highly visible from Bridge Avenue.

1093
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:25,760
We're trying to to give it a look of an
older house behind similar to what's

1094
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:29,920
happening at the house with the store in
front of it.

1095
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:36,960
And then if you go down just a little
farther in the packet, you're going to

1096
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:41,760
see existing photos of 4016 bridge. And
then as you keep going, you're going to

1097
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:49,280
see the houses that surround it on
neighboring streets.

1098
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:56,800
So here these we have the front of 4016
bridge and to the right we have um a two

1099
01:44:53,679 --> 01:45:03,600
houses that were joined. I just wanted
to show you the mass of what's adjacent

1100
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:07,360
to Jerry's house to to give a feel that
this small addition we're proposing I

1101
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:12,239
don't think it would even be visible
from a view like this. It's too far back

1102
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:18,320
off the street. And you can see that we
still we have some adjacent

1103
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:25,440
fairly uh massive structures next to
him. We also have pictures across the

1104
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:30,320
street of what's directly in front of
his house. So we have a masonry brick

1105
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:37,920
building. You can see how it's right
next to a smaller house and then also a

1106
01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:42,080
three-story house
which is adjacent to that.

1107
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:53,800
So, that is
the the gist of what we're attempting to

1108
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,800
do.

1109
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:02,000
And we're also, of course, matching all
of the materials that are on the

1110
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:08,800
existing house. Wood trim, exactly the
same profile, same woodclad windows,

1111
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:13,880
same cladding color, same cement board
siding. all trimmed to match.

1112
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:22,400
And Jerry, can you think of anything
else you'd like to add to um Yeah, I

1113
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:27,040
just want to say I think it's important
to note that uh in 17 we did the

1114
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:31,520
project. Uh it was Doug from Vizio
Architects. We did go through Landmarks

1115
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:37,520
Commission. So everything we're saying
we're going to match was approved um in

1116
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:44,080
17. Uh, so, so you know, it's it's not
like we're we're just matching something

1117
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:48,960
that was put on there in 1980.
>> That little sketch you have currently up

1118
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:55,480
is is
showing what this addition will look

1119
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,480
like from the front of the house.

1120
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:05,400
And I think that's that's it for our
presentation.

1121
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:15,119
Thank you both. I can kick off
commentary. First want to say I really

1122
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:20,400
appreciate um the evolution of this
house. I've watched it evolve under your

1123
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:24,159
ownership and it has um been really
great to see the care you've put into

1124
01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:28,800
the property. Um also can appreciate
your position as someone who perhaps has

1125
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:34,480
too many children. So I would love to
see how we can get get something

1126
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:38,320
approved for you guys. Um,
I think

1127
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:45,280
and I also can very much appreciate like
the very dynamic uh con, you know,

1128
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,880
epicenter of massing that you guys are
at at this uh point in on Bridge Avenue

1129
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:54,560
because you definitely have a lot going
on and I think it's a point well taken

1130
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:59,199
for all of those reasons. Um, I think
I'm just struggling a little bit with

1131
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:03,520
the with the
elevation views. I know we never see

1132
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:09,840
them like that in real life obviously.
Um, but it does feel perhaps a bit

1133
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:14,480
overdominating to the existing home. So,
I'm trying to think and you've obviously

1134
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:21,440
put a lot of care and attention to this,
you know, so far. Was it considered to

1135
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:26,960
like perhaps turn the gable
um and or not match the pitch? And I'm

1136
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:30,880
normally someone who really wants the
pitch of the roof to relate to other

1137
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:36,239
points of the house the way you have it
drawn, but I'm curious if we just might

1138
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:40,960
be better off with the softer pitch on
the addition just to bring down that

1139
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:44,159
that center point. Um,
>> I'm going to jump in really quickly

1140
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:50,719
here. Yes, please. One thing we're
hoping to do to save materials is to

1141
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:56,320
actually reuse the trusses that were
installed on the roof in 2017 on this

1142
01:48:54,239 --> 01:49:00,239
new addition. And the of course the
architect uh Lean Sampid is going to

1143
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:04,880
have to examine them along with the
contractor, make sure that that's

1144
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:10,560
feasible once we get to that point. But
we were actually trying to lift them up

1145
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:16,000
and reinstall them on this new third
floor. So that would be that's the pitch

1146
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:21,840
would would then match the existing. So
that was one consideration.

1147
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:26,800
» Yeah, that's very interesting. Thank you
for the information. Like that makes a

1148
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:31,840
lot of sense. I from a build building
standpoint

1149
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:37,199
in in material reuse standpoint. I just
do I don't know. I mean I again I'm I'm

1150
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:42,560
open to discussion on it. I just think
>> is it worth that when we could cut that

1151
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:48,320
slope in half cuz you're as I'm looking
at your section you aren't it's not

1152
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:50,719
occupiable it's not conditioned space
it doesn't seem like there's any other

1153
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:55,840
reason
>> to have it sure if you go to uh A4

1154
01:49:54,159 --> 01:50:02,000
you'll see that section
>> and I'm looking at that one there

1155
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:05,520
» yeah I'm and I'm also one that's like no
we have great building material I love

1156
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:09,280
the thought I just
feel it does feel a little overwhelming

1157
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:11,840
at the moment. Even though it's push
back, I know all these things logically.

1158
01:50:10,639 --> 01:50:16,080
I know how to the eye it's going to
look. But

1159
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:19,920
» in the spirit of the criteria of of
being um

1160
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:24,440
» what's the right word? Not submissive.
What do we say? Someone help me out

1161
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,440
here.

1162
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:32,719
» Predominate over the historic structure.
>> Yes. And it does feel a bit too tall. I

1163
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:36,159
also think you might, unless there's
been a change in zoning, you probably

1164
01:50:34,159 --> 01:50:40,560
will run into a height issue. You might
at that peak at the third from a zoning

1165
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:43,119
standpoint. Um
>> I don't know. I I would love to hear if

1166
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:47,920
you
>> I don't think we do. And I I I may, you

1167
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:51,600
know, I could have reinter I could have
interpreted something incorrectly. I

1168
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:57,760
don't think we do have a height problem,
especially since we're set back as far

1169
01:50:54,080 --> 01:51:00,960
as we are, but we'll we'll research that
and make sure.

1170
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:04,159
Yeah, double check on that one because
and note that you have a dimension to

1171
01:51:02,639 --> 01:51:07,520
the midpoint of the roof, but Cleveland
takes it to the to the highest point,

1172
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:14,719
not the midpoint. I know different
jurisdictions do that differently, but

1173
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:19,000
» we did it both ways to make sure that
>> we we do have it both ways.

1174
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:26,000
» I would love to hear other committee
members opinions on on it. Again, I

1175
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:29,840
really want the property to grow with
your family. Um, and I'm not opposed at

1176
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:33,360
all in
to any of the materiality you're

1177
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:36,560
proposing. Again, I think you've done
great work with the property. It's more

1178
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:42,000
just like how can we get this massing a
little bit more agreeable to work is is

1179
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:48,159
how I feel.
>> I I agree with you. If you look at A5 on

1180
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:54,480
page on page five of the presentation,
um the the addition

1181
01:51:52,320 --> 01:52:00,239
it is a bit more doineering over the
historic structure. Is if there's a way

1182
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:04,080
Nia suggested turning the gable. Um I
understand you're trying to reuse

1183
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:08,719
material. Is there a way to lower it the
floor plate by one or two feet, bring it

1184
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:13,679
down a little bit and then maybe add a
window right underneath the peak to

1185
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:19,840
soften that? Um,
you're 90% of the way there. It just

1186
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:24,159
needs to be softened a bit.
>> One one option it unfortunately we

1187
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:28,480
wouldn't be able to reuse trusses, but
if we lowered the plate height and

1188
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:35,199
raised the ceiling joist and did a stick
built um roof instead, we could do that.

1189
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:40,920
It would um unfortunately we we would
have to be buying more, you know, new

1190
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:40,920
materials and not reusing

1191
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:51,360
But we we could and then have like a a
slightly um we have a a slightly shorter

1192
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:57,119
wall, slight slope up to
an 8 foot or 8 foot6 ceiling and do a

1193
01:52:55,199 --> 01:53:02,040
stickuilt
rafter and ceiling joist roof.

1194
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:09,599
» Yeah, four plate two feet would be a
good improvement. Uh but I'll I'll let

1195
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:13,520
others chime in as well.
I was then going to think the same thing

1196
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:18,239
if we could get that top plate down and
just maybe a clipped it. It might

1197
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:24,159
already be clipped at the corner, but
that could help. Um,

1198
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:30,719
I really do think just just perhaps
perhaps going with a softer slope would

1199
01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:36,080
really go a long long way. And even if
you wanted to maintain the the ceiling

1200
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:41,360
heights and or not interfere with the
head heights of those windows by

1201
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:44,159
lowering that plate too much.
Just thinking of all the the factors

1202
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:48,840
that I know you guys are considering
when you're building this massing out.

1203
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:57,040
» Well, we can we can certainly look at
those those things.

1204
01:53:54,719 --> 01:54:01,360
Um,
and so there there it sounds like is

1205
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:06,159
there any way there's no way you would
accept this

1206
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:10,480
uh even in in in its current form even
if we let's say add a dormer or do

1207
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:15,760
something
uh change the windows in the front? Is

1208
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:20,800
there any or add a maybe a central
decorative window at the front? Is there

1209
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:26,159
any way we could
salvage our mass, our current mass,

1210
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:33,040
given how far back it is from the house?
So, if you look at A3 once more, you're

1211
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:38,880
going to see that
the dimension back from the front of the

1212
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:44,760
house, I think it's u let me I have to
zoom in. I'm looking at my screen here.

1213
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,760
It's um

1214
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:55,920
26 foot over 26 feet back from the
front. So I think when you're when

1215
01:54:53,920 --> 01:55:01,599
you're on Bridge Avenue, you really
don't see that mass.

1216
01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:07,119
Uh and then if you you know, we have to
remember that on Bridge, we've got those

1217
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:14,239
fairly tall structures to his right that
are dwarfing his house a little bit.

1218
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:17,360
Yeah, I I don't I totally don't disagree
with you at all from a contextual

1219
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:21,599
standpoint. It's just we have to look if
we're looking at the house on its own.

1220
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:25,520
» That's where it feels a little over
dominating. And I don't even think, and

1221
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:31,520
correct me if I'm wrong, you cannot this
addition still would occur Angelo's next

1222
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:36,880
door on the corner. It still occurs.
You can't see it from his sideyard.

1223
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:42,159
Correct. Like uh if you're on Randall,
you wouldn't be able to see this

1224
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:46,400
from from Randall. Correct. Am I right
looking at that?

1225
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:51,599
» Not very much of it, I wouldn't think.
>> Okay. I don't think so. Yeah. No, I I

1226
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:55,920
again point well taken. I would if if
the pitch of this roof were 125, I would

1227
01:55:54,320 --> 01:56:00,765
I would have no problem with what I
think you're presenting.

1228
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:03,440
So, you want to stop
[clears throat]

1229
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:08,159
» even with even with the plate height
staying

1230
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:11,360
at 8 foot, but we we can also we I I'll
talk, you know, we'll talk after this

1231
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:15,840
and and
>> so you you're you're proposing that we

1232
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:20,000
come back with some modifications.
>> Yeah, I think you can you can just

1233
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:24,400
assess what's most what's going to work
best for you guys without

1234
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:27,679
» without redoing. I do not like Alex
said, I do think you're 90% there. I

1235
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:32,239
would not suggest going back to the
drawing board whatsoever on this. I

1236
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:37,679
think it's more just a couple some some
tweaks on whether you change the roof

1237
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:41,040
line, lower the plate a little bit. That
could help soften it just a bit.

1238
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:45,920
» Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I would sum up the window in

1239
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:54,000
the gable and then lower the plate to
maybe six feet and uh and call it a day.

1240
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:59,280
Um so are you so you're talking lower
the plate height um and then we would

1241
01:56:57,040 --> 01:57:02,719
have to that because of um the ceiling
height then we would have to go to a

1242
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:08,560
stick built and do a raised ceiling
joist. Uh but you're you're saying lower

1243
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:12,320
the plate height a and could you live
with

1244
01:57:10,159 --> 01:57:19,040
slightly higher than six feet like maybe
maybe uh even 6'6 if we lower the pitch

1245
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:24,480
and put a window in the gable
and then we will raise the ceiling

1246
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:31,360
joists up to 8 foot inside.
I think I think trust your I think uh

1247
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:33,840
see how it looks and if it if it's
compelling to

1248
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:37,679
» right
>> you know what I mean it's almost like

1249
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:42,320
trust trust we trust that you can figure
out something that looks like you I

1250
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:46,400
think am I correct that you're hearing
our feedback and that you can perhaps

1251
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:51,360
explore a couple ideas. Yeah, sure. And
I we have a very tall family which is so

1252
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:55,520
I'm thinking maybe if we had 6'6 and it
you know with a lower pitch and then

1253
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:59,199
raising we'll see how that looks and and
that would lower the plate height by 18

1254
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:03,520
in.
Well, we we can see I just don't want

1255
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:08,320
the kids to be banging their heads.
>> That's fair. That's fair.

1256
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:13,040
» They're they're fairly small bedrooms,
so we just want to make sure it's

1257
01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:17,520
usable.
>> Yeah, I can see that. I think it's a

1258
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:20,960
very, you know, the again the addition
is something that seems like it'll be

1259
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:24,639
really impactful for you guys without
overwhelming the floor plan of the

1260
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:29,040
house. It's more just that
>> that massing feel

1261
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:33,520
understanding kind of the full picture
of the con the context, but we just want

1262
01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:37,040
to respect the house if it were standing
alone.

1263
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:40,239
» Okay.
>> Okay.

1264
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:44,159
» All right. Thank you. I cannot and again
I don't think we have didn't uh we can't

1265
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:47,840
make a motion or anything but do you
guys feel like you got adequate

1266
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:51,760
feedback?
>> I think so. Jerry, what what do you what

1267
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:54,239
are your thoughts?
>> Yeah, I feel good.

1268
01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:59,440
» Okay.
>> Are you guys um the the committee did

1269
01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:03,280
you guys want to see this again after
the changes had been made or do you just

1270
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:06,840
want me to pass this feedback on to the
landmarks commission?

1271
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:14,000
I think I would prefer to see it again.
>> Agreed.

1272
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:16,880
» Does that work for you, Jerry? Rebecca,
you guys comfortable bringing it back to

1273
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,480
this committee after the changes have
been explored?

1274
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:24,080
» Cool.
>> As long as I can be a window guy,

1275
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:28,320
» I'm in.
>> Fair.

1276
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:31,920
Um, all right. Right. Well, we will uh
um I guess yeah, just get in touch with

1277
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:34,960
the with the Landmarks office when
you've you know made the changes are

1278
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:40,080
ready to come back and we'll get you on
an upcoming agenda uh hopefully towards

1279
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:43,440
the beginning of it.
>> Awesome. Thank you.

1280
01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:46,480
» Thank you very much.
>> Have a great day.

1281
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:48,880
» You too.
>> Thank you.

1282
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:52,000
» All right.
>> I know we don't have quorum uh but

1283
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:57,520
you're going to have even fewer people.
I have to recuse from this one. Uh so

1284
01:59:54,159 --> 02:00:01,119
I'll be signing off but Understood.
Thank you.

1285
01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:05,119
» I am so have to recuse myself.
>> Oh no. Okay.

1286
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:07,280
» All right. Nia. Nia. Margaret. It's all
you. [laughter]

1287
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:11,639
» All you guys
>> guys left us with a difficult one.

1288
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:19,000
» All right. Thank you. We're sign off.
>> Thanks and Alex. We'll be talking about

1289
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:19,000
ITV banners, too.

1290
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:25,119
» Um
>> I glitched out.

1291
02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:28,480
» So, yeah, I think so. I wasn't sure what
happened there, but uh we have case

1292
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:34,400
HOCC26-36.
Um we have some street banners being

1293
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:40,320
proposed by Ohio City, Inc. West 25th
and Detroit Avenue. So we've got Lily uh

1294
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:45,920
Bobman here from OCI. So you want to
walk us through your proposal?

1295
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:49,920
» Yeah, thanks Dan. Um so essentially we
are hoping to add to the scope of

1296
02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:52,800
banners that we currently have up. So, I
will make this as speedy as possible

1297
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:57,280
because I know that this has been rather
long, but we in this presentation are

1298
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:59,760
discussing some additional Ohio City
Incorporated banners over in the

1299
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:06,639
Hinchtown neighborhood and some
Irishtown Bend banners. Uh, you can hit

1300
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:10,800
the next slide. Thank you.
So, these are the designs previously

1301
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:15,280
approved. They are currently uh what's
up. You'll see that in the next slide if

1302
02:01:13,199 --> 02:01:20,880
you um I think this is a fairly
efficient presentation. So, next slide.

1303
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:25,760
Um, please.
So, these are them up. Um, these are the

1304
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:29,599
designs you guys approved back in
February. Um, we are just looking to put

1305
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:31,920
them some in some additional locations.
We already have them printed. They are

1306
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:37,480
all the same as the ones that are
currently up. Uh, next slide, please.

1307
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:44,080
So, these are where we are proposing
them. We have about 16 that we are

1308
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:49,199
looking to put up in the Hinchtown
community or neighborhood part of Ohio

1309
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:52,560
City. Uh we are moving offices over to
Detroit. We'll be in the Jamestown

1310
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:56,560
building next to Linda Superret. So we
would like to have some banners there.

1311
02:01:55,119 --> 02:02:03,040
But this is the general layout that
we're looking to install them.

1312
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:08,000
Next slide.
Um additionally, we would like to pair

1313
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:13,440
our OCI banners with the proposed ITV
banners. Uh they will be on the west

1314
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:17,840
side of West 25th directly across from
Irish Town Bend. um which will also be

1315
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:24,599
across from the Irish Ben banners that
we are hoping to install as well.

1316
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:24,599
Next slide.

1317
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:32,560
Um so then these are the Irish Ben
banners.

1318
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:37,360
Uh next slide.
Here is the proposed design. Um you'll

1319
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:46,639
see that it's meant to mimic the curve
of Irish Bend and it has all of our um

1320
02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:51,840
what's the word? collaborators on the
banner. So, we have um

1321
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:55,679
the city of Cleveland Metrop Parks, Land
Studio, and then Ohio City Incorporated.

1322
02:02:53,520 --> 02:03:01,520
And these will go across from the OCI
banners that I just explained.

1323
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:07,679
The next slide has a map of where we're
looking to put them, but we're proposing

1324
02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:13,040
13 along West 25th on the east side from
Detroit to about Franklin. And that

1325
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:18,080
should essentially line the future park
with a banner. The hope is that we'll be

1326
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:24,119
able to kind of welcome the park, get
people excited about it, and continue to

1327
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,119
bring awareness to it.

1328
02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:30,880
Next, yeah, so essentially to recap, we
are proposing a total of 26 Ohio City

1329
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:36,639
banners. Uh 16 will be in the Hinchtown
neighborhood, 10 will be on uh West

1330
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:40,639
25th, and we are proposing 13 Irish Ben
banners along West 25th as well.

1331
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:45,800
Thank you all.

1332
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:56,560
» All right, Margaret, don't be too harsh.
[laughter]

1333
02:03:54,239 --> 02:04:01,199
» Um, you know, I don't have a lot of
comment. It always looks like a lot. It

1334
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:09,040
looked like a lot the last time on the
maps, but in reality, I think it works

1335
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:14,400
well. Um,
so yeah, I

1336
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:20,599
I'm inclined to just,
you know, support it as as it is

1337
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:20,599
presented here.

1338
02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:29,760
» Nia.
>> Yeah, I agree. I [laughter]

1339
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:34,400
» beautiful. No, looks great. Approve as
presented even though we can't today,

1340
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:39,520
but Dan, I don't know what their path
forward looks like without quorum. So

1341
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:44,639
» yeah, we'll Lily, we'll we can chat and
figure that out, but um seems pretty

1342
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:47,599
straightforward to me. So
>> me, too. My understanding is it kind of

1343
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:51,599
just goes to landmarks and then city
planning and then I think we're good.

1344
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:57,199
» Great.
>> Yeah. Yeah, there's Yeah, I don't know.

1345
02:04:54,800 --> 02:05:02,000
The right of way stuff is its own unique
thing, but we we can chat.

1346
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:05,840
» Yeah, sounds good to me. Thank you both,
Mia and Margaret and Dan.

1347
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:08,480
» Thanks. Thanks, Lily.
>> Yeah.

1348
02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:11,040
» All right. Ended with an easy one.
>> Yes.

1349
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:13,280
» All right.
>> Not too bad on our agenda time for

1350
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:16,880
another one.
>> I think we did great.

1351
02:05:15,199 --> 02:05:19,280
» Yeah. Hopefully next one will be a
little shorter.

1352
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:21,760
» I know. I wouldn't mind one of those
like two project agendas again.

1353
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:25,599
» I know.
>> Or enough people to vote.

1354
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:28,800
» That would be real nice. That would be
real.

1355
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:34,480
» And No, no. I mean, myself included,
it's just been a tough

1356
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:37,360
like several months. But, um, now the
kids are back at school, so I should

1357
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:40,480
have a much more consistent schedule.
And no, hopefully no injuries. And no,

1358
02:05:39,119 --> 02:05:44,320
» yeah, no more injuries. Yeah.
>> Yes. If we could have no more injuries,

1359
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:47,040
that would be great. And
then

1360
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:50,040
» you should see me, my face every other
week.

1361
02:05:50,239 --> 02:05:54,159
» All right. Well, thank you guys. We'll
uh see you in a couple weeks.

1362
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:56,400
» All right. Thanks, Annie.
>> Thank you.

1363
02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:00,480
» Thank you. Actually, while you're all
really here quickly, um I've been

1364
02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:04,719
digging through historic photos. We have
a few, well, we have like a handful from

1365
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:08,400
the county archives of homes in the
neighborhood, and I've been able to find

1366
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:12,480
a few of people's personal homes. So, if
you guys want me to dig for yours, I

1367
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:15,679
absolutely can. And Dan, on that note, I
owe you a flash drive with all of the

1368
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:18,400
exact same photos so that city hall can
have a record and not just us.

1369
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:23,840
» That'd be that'd be awesome.
>> Thank you, I will happy to drop off a

1370
02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:29,280
flash drive if you need one.
I think Ben must have done Ben must Ben

1371
02:06:27,199 --> 02:06:33,040
or someone must have done a deep dive a
long time ago now because I literally

1372
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:36,159
just looked up our Whitman houses
picture that he had emailed me in maybe

1373
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:39,040
2013.
So

1374
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:43,599
» yeah, my files have it as like one
intern in 2012 was super committed to

1375
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:48,000
the county archives and like digitizing
things and they did a really insane job

1376
02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:52,880
because I scroll and I'm like this has
to be at least 400

1377
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:55,840
» properties probably more.
internship.

1378
02:06:54,079 --> 02:06:59,760
» Yeah, exactly.
>> So fun.

1379
02:06:57,280 --> 02:07:03,599
» Especially because that was that was
before the archives moved and so you

1380
02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:08,079
could be like on Franklin in the
atmosphere. Oh

1381
02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:12,858
» yeah. Ah, the good old days.
>> The good old days. Exactly.

1382
02:07:10,838 --> 02:07:12,858
[laughter]

1383
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:18,000
» Let me know if you Yeah. If you want me
to drop off a flash drive, we'd love to

1384
02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:20,800
have those.
>> Yeah, if you have one, that'd be great

1385
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:24,560
because our office is a show at the
moment. So that would make getting that

1386
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:28,800
to you much easier.
>> Awesome. I will uh I'll put that You

1387
02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:32,320
guys are still on Lorraine right now?
>> Okay, cool. I'll get one over.

1388
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:35,119
» Beautiful.
>> Thank you.

1389
02:07:33,599 --> 02:07:38,880
» Yeah. Thank you all. I hope you have a
lovely rest of your day. Bye. You too.

1390
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:41,880
You too. Thanks all. Bye. Bye.
>> Bye.