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Hello, everyone. We are returning from the closed session and anything to report out, Mr. Summers, Mr. Harvey.

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Yes, all start. So, the council met in closed sessions, considered three items. Mr. Highway will report out the first item.

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All report out the second and third, which are both related to a potential code enforcement case at 1-1-1-7 sunset place, regarding potential initiation litigation and potential anticipatory litigation.

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And on that matter, the Council has provided direction to staff and council, particularly directing renewed efforts, pursuing a solution to the code enforcement problems at that property in consultation with the code enforcement team, the can development team, city attorney's office and the Ventura County Sheriff's office.

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More to follow as it is reportable.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Harvey.

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Thank you, Mr. Summers, for the first close session.

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I'm happy to report out the City Council directed staff to post an RF key.

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By the end of this week, the city's current city attorney firm is invited and encouraged to participate in this process.

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There will be a city social media post to follow the documents what we are doing.

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The RFQ will be a 45 day submittal period.

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Results will be reviewed by the city council at the end of the process.

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All qualified firms and or candidates will be reviewed by the city council with a selected number asked to interview

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with the full city council. Thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Harvey Mr. Summers. With that we will

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lead you in the close session and begin the open session. Welcome here everyone.

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Roll call please Mr.

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Montgomery. Yes Mayor Mayor Gilman. Here Mayor Protendling. Here council member rule. Here council member

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Whitman. Here council member May. Here. And the pledge of allegiance please. Yes Mayor.

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welcome community please rise as you are able. Ready begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and

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To the Republic or which stands one nation under high and the physical and the

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routine.

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Any changes to the agenda from the council?

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Move to approve. I'll move to approve.

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Second that. All of us in favor. Hi. Hi. Any changes over here? You guys are okay with the agenda?

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Yes. Okay. Great. Any commission reports?

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None that I know of there. All right. So we will move on to public communications.

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Mac, please, uh, Ron Salarsano, Winnie Major, and then Mariah. I believe it's Mac.

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Sorry if I misread that.

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Hello. All right. Hello, everybody. Members of council. I am Ron Salarsano, the regional librarian for the Ohio

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And I just wanted to give a couple of updates on what we have going on at the library.

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I want to start with an ongoing film series that we have at the library.

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We've been experimenting a lot more with screening movies at the library on Mondays and Thursdays.

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And we're going to continue that between May 19th and June 16th with screenings at noon on Mondays.

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And then, at 5 p.m. on Thursdays, we're going to be showing a selection of films and the meeting room behind the library.

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Because of the way our license works, we're not able to publicize the titles directly.

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But if you're curious, you can come by the library or give us a call and we can tell you what's showing in a given week.

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So we're calling this program Showtime at the Ohio Library.

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So feel free to stop by.

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We're also going to probably put some information on our website.

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So yeah, hopefully you can stop by for that.

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I also want to mention that we're going to be getting into not quite yet but soon, our summer

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reading season.

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The summer reading program this year is going to start on June 9th and we'll continue

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through August 3rd.

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There's going to be a program both for adults and for children, the adult program for readers

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over 18, more or less consists of readers logging each book that they read through our online

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platform Beanstack.

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You'll be able to access it through our website.

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You will log the books that you read, every book that you read gives you a chance to win a prize with a library.

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We're also going to be doing some company activities like Bingo.

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You'll get a Bingo style card that you can read, read certain books and check out boxes and then all that.

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So there will be some fun engagement and then the youth program, you're logging minutes read typically.

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So, for the children who are doing reading and logging their minutes, their grand prize is going to be a set of season.

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So, again, feel free to get in touch with us at the library or go online for more information. And then the last thing I wanted to mention, this has been in the paper recently, but the Ohio Library is partnering with the Ohio Valley Land Conservancy and a few other local landscape architects and other volunteers on a project to rewild the Ohio Library's courtyard on front of the library.

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So we're still in the early planning stages. I think we're we're about to be entering into some of the fundraising stages for that

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But keep your ears open for more details if you're curious at all again

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You can stop by the library and give me a call whatever you'd like and yeah, that's all we've got for now. Even a rough time frame on the wild

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Yeah, sure. So the re-wilding is gonna happen after another renovation that's gonna happen inside the library

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That first renovation is at earliest going to start in August of this year. So the re-wilding project is probably going to start early 2026.

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Alright. Thank you so much.

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Thanks.

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Winnie Major.

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And then Mariah Mack if I'm pronouncing that correctly.

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And then Joseph Puglia.

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Puglia.

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Thank you.

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Hello, Mr. Mayor.

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Council members and staff.

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I'm Winnie Major, and I've lived at Ohio my life, and I'm a big trolley writer.

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I am two to complications with Epsurgery.

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The doctors had to amputate my right driving leg, leaving me unable to drive.

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I mentioned this for two reasons.

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One, the trolley which is handicapped accessible, is extremely important in my life.

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I specifically bought a mobile home in a park where the trolley stop was right outside the trolley and city bus was at the end of the street.

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And secondly, what happened to me could also happen to you and you could be left without transportation and the ability to drive.

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I've used the trolley for decades now and I depend on it on Sundays to get to church.

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And I've done that for many years, but not now, because there is no trolley service on Sundays.

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But many writers use the trolley on Sundays to go to church, farmer's market, oh, my functions,

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gets together with families and on and on.

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But now you have stopped at Sunday trolley all together.

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as well as a random time throughout the week when there is no driver available.

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I don't understand why you don't hire more drivers.

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Many people have applied, even my knee supplied.

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But we're hopeful, especially after you hired Anthony as a trolley supervisor,

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it seemed promising he would often ride the trolley with us and ask for our input.

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He's a very kind and helpful man, and we thought things were looking up, but now Anthony has disappeared

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Did we just want to know what's going on?

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Please hire some drivers to me. It's

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People don't realize what an important resource it is unless

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You're in our shoes. In my case my shoe

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So I ask you to put yourself in in my shoes or shoes

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And put some time and effort into getting driver's place.

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It's just a valuable resource to the community.

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And we're blessed to have it.

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Thank you for hearing me out.

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Thank you, Ms. Major.

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Thank you.

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And this is a little out of term, but Mr. Alameda, would you mind?

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I've heard you give a kind of an update about the trolley.

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Would you mind doing that now?

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Because I imagine there might be a couple of other comments related to the trolley.

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I know I'm putting you on the spot and you're unprepared.

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more than happy to do so that is correct and unfortunately we have

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paused the Sunday service due to not having drivers to cover Sunday, but we are

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actively recruiting to play strivers before a while now. The service has been

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paused for a while but we're looking to restart. Sunday service has been

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paused for a while but we're looking to restart it. Once we have the driver

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I was hoping it's just so that Mr. Alameda could just give sort of a brief report, but not a back and forth quite if that's okay.

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No, that's okay.

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But we did just purchase two new trollies, or two use trollies that we're going to start using in our service.

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I don't know if you want to mention that again, Mr. Alameda.

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Yeah, so overall we are looking to hire additional drivers.

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We've been actively doing that.

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We do have an interim supervisor just joined us this week and is looking at the applications as well.

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Fortunately, this last weekend, we took delivery of two new trolleys, which will allow us to return the B-Route when we get the drivers to do that.

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And those trolleys are road ready, so they're going through inspection now and we'll be painted.

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So we've made some investments in Trolley to

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Read state and state the service where we have both the airouts and the rerout's fully functional

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I know, please. Yes. Oh, yeah, once again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

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Joseph Pugliera, Pugliera and then Larry Mozer

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Thank you, Miss Alvita. I'm actually got wrong. It's Mariah Mall not Mac. I'm sorry

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M-A-L-L no it's M-A-H-L M-A-H-L sorry about that okay M-A-H-L got it yeah I am

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or I am all I read the trolley three to four times a day I depend on it for

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doctors appointments and I was told that there someone said there was five

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trolley drivers that's not correct there's only three I live in minor zox and I

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on it, yeah, for mainly for doctor's appointments. And for lately there hasn't been

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no trolley on Sunday, which has been a bit disappointment for like church. And I guess

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the main thing why I came tonight is because we really need more trolley drivers. And

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another trolley would be great because there's only one.

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And then also I have friends

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that live in whispering oaks. And like when he said, it doesn't go inside there anymore, it

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across the street, which I just think is kind of insane when you're 80 years old, they can't really cross the street.

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But anyways, yeah, so I think my main thing is just I think that more trolley drivers would be beneficial and another trolley and yeah, I mean, I really depend on it, I use it almost daily and I guess I'm done sharing.

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Thank you so much. This is good. No, I appreciate it.

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Joseph Puglia, Larry Moser, and Carlene Sokorsky,

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Sikorsky, probably Miss Parnatzi, that.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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My name is Dr. Joe Puglia.

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I'm speaking on behalf of Mr. Palashius.

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I have an undergraduate degree in Philosophy and Literature

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of Masters in Counseling Psychology and a PhD in Education

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with an emphasis in sports psychology.

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I was a college professor counseled veterans with PTSD and a columnist for the Los Angeles Times

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syndicated newspapers.

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I'm a published author, a national lecturer, and a former Marine officer, thus by commenced

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American Civil Relitity.

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I served in Vietnam, Commanding and Marine Patoon, was a company executive officer and operations

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officer of a Marine Expeditionary Unit and had command and staff responsibilities at Marine

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Headquarters.

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Thus, I consider myself an excellent judge of character.

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I have known Mr. Palachias for ten months.

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He embodies the course ethos, honor, courage, and commitment.

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He is affable, he's engaging, he's helpful, and I've even seen him open the door for

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customers entering Ophi coffee roasters.

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Here is a young man who, by his service, would give his life for you.

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And this is how you treat a veteran, how dare you.

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Memorial Day is two weeks away.

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Must I remind you of its significance?

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Carl, when you were at Lock and Yada,

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you supported every Memorial Day commemoration

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which I was a chair of, what happened?

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A leader must be worthy of leadership.

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Mr. Harvey, how you treated this veteran

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tells me you are not worthy of leadership.

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Management speculates, since Mr. Polasius is a disabled veteran, with PTSD diagnosis he's capable

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of errant behaviors, subjecting others to danger. Are any of you clinical psychologists capable

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of making such assumptions? I've had PTSD since 1970 and never spent a minute in a straight

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Mr. Harvey, how dare you paint veterans suffering from PTSD and such a light?

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Research contends PTSD symptoms result when one is simulates into a society that is not nurturing.

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Such is the environment of Mr. Harvey has created.

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Mr. Polasius received counseling or mentorship?

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I don't think so.

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Sir, there's no passing the buck on this one.

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Management hidden agenda is so blatantly off.

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I'm embarrassed for you. Have some intellectual honesty. And just say you want to get rid of him. Don't use his disability against him. Gentlemen, write this down. It's on the final.

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Managers do things right leaders do the right thing. If you want to save yourself from yourself

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Do the right thing. Mr. Palocious is a credit to this town

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Thank you

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Larry Moser

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Carlene Sikorski and a Nick out of way

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Larry Moser

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Oh, yes, thank you.

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Ah, they shouldn't have paved it

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ride off the trail and onto that and try to get back on the bike path and slam down on the pavement,

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but I'm on the man. I just came to speak on behalf of Anthony. I can't

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pull off the seal, it's at any pronounced as last name. Anyhow, I was in the Navy during Vietnam,

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and some of that, and he's been really kind to me trying to help me get some benefits out of him.

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But anyhow, this guy's, he just says a lot of character, I've seen him working around

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City Hall, I've done some science form, and he'll light up the place when he's walking

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down the hallway.

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People come out and start laughing and talking, he's just, he's got a lot on the ball, he's

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a very successful, driven guy in a compassionate way.

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So I hope you can get reinstated because he's the kind of energy that the city needs to

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that it's uplifting, it's positive, you know, he thinks things through he's

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open to hearing other people's opinions, just to really neat neat guy and I

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think he's going to be successful in his life and the city would be much better

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for having around and he's already proven that if you talk to people he's worked

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with and these around I think the pretty much everybody has good things to say

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I'm so I just came to speak on his behalf, you know, thanks very much.

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Thank you, sir.

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Carlene, Psychorski, Nick Autoway, and Patrick Holmes.

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Good evening.

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I would like to thank the council, the mayor, for having us here today.

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I know you guys have a lot to do and it's an honor to speak before you.

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When I considered Ohio as a place to live 25 years ago, I made sure to ask my friend if there

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was a public transportation available. As I have an eye impairment, it doesn't allow me to

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drive, and you wouldn't want me to drive. She said, Carlyne, you'd love, though, high-trolly.

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And I did, and it was great, and it served me well until it didn't, about six to nine months ago.

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Too many times to count, I have stood at my stop and wondered, is it truly late? Is it coming at all?

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And then, well, I guess I have to walk again.

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The heat is coming and walking will not be a viable option.

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When the driver goes to lunch, there is no service.

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When the driver has a pre-approved doctor's appointment, there is no service.

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I hate to think that the driver gets sick, there will be no service.

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And as people have said, on Sundays, we're as church going people, there is no service.

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Back up drivers, communication between the trolley office and the widers.

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I think would be the key to keep us widers, happily on our way.

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I ride the trolley twice a day or try to.

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And I would like to see trolley discounts come back. These are these little tokens that we got that used to be on the trolley for 20 years.

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And we would pay as we go on get like 30 or 25 dollars or something like that. They haven't been available for six months.

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And so in closing, I'd like to thank you for your kindness. Thank you for what you're doing for our city.

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Thank you for keeping the tally running consistently.

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Thank you very much. Nick Audey, Patrick Holmes, and then Nancy Audey.

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Oh, wait.

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Oh, wait. Sorry, I've only known you for 15 years. Give me 15 more, and I'll get it right.

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I'm a local architect, I sat in the coffee roaster, counting the people passing the pedestrian walkway in front of the coffee house, and I've been doing that for probably 20 years.

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And the numbers are the same, it's nine to one.

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One car will have more than one person in it.

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Nine will have none.

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And I think that says a lot about how we respond socially

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to the problems of a community.

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we need to think socially not singularly and I use the public transportation to

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trolley at least a couple of times a week my son lives over in minor

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soaks and I'm actually have a residence which is outside the city so I would

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you as City Council and City Manager to think about working with the county in

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expanding the trolley. Going to the east end, I've begun a list of people who live

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at the east end who would gladly have the trolley go to the corner of

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now or McAndrew and Grant. And I've talked to the people of the Thatcher who already

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bring their people here, people living there and the students to the town on the weekends,

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particularly now, the spring and summer and fall. So I would urge you to keep that in your head.

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It is public transportation, which is one of the potential glues to pulling this valley together.

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Not only as a governmental reality, but as a social reality.

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I'm not a socialist, but I'm a social person.

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And I would urge you think the same way.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Patrick Holmes, Nancy Oatway, and Alicia Morenes, it looks like.

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Good evening, Council.

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Hello.

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Yeah, I'm Patrick Holmes, and I was hired last December to drive the trolley, which I did

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personally. And I was given the opportunity to be trained actually by the city.

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I went over to Gold Coast and I studied very hard. I did classroom on the road training

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and got my license and passenger endorsement and in driving the last months we've had

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problems obviously with the lack of drivers and I know that our riders do

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really depend on reliable transportation. I think somebody else mentioned this

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that if you're going to the doctor's appointment

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and you're waiting out there and waiting an hour,

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two hours, nothing's come.

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It's very, everyone, it's very disappointing

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to have that happen.

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And that compiled with, let's say, students going

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to school, people trying to get to work.

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If they can't rely on this mode of transportation

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that we're supposedly offering the public,

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it's going to start to deteriorate the ridership.

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I actually volunteered my Sundays for about two months to drive because I was told that we were

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going to get more drivers.

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So, these are time of work for me.

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I'm a decant in my church.

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I gave that up for two months because that's what we were promised.

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It never transpired.

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It never came to fruition.

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And I'm just saying, let's be serious about this and hire somebody.

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There's been a lot of applicants.

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I also know people who are already have their CDL,

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they drive for Gold Coast, no response.

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So I hope that we can get it going in a solid fashion.

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And also expanded to the way it was before COVID, which we had two trolleys on the route, instead of one.

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So that's been five years. I'd like to return to that situation for my town. I live here.

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A lot of my friends, elders. I'll be an elder. Very quickly. We need this for our community.

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So that's all I have to say. I thank you very much for your time.

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Thank you Mr. Holmes.

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Nancy O'Way, Alicia Marinas, and then Bill Miley.

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Nancy O'Way, and I was excited, I wasn't going to say anything, and then I signed up,

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because ever since the Utah Mount Zion, they had a wonderful system, and everybody abandoned

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their cars, and because of the pollution and the damage that would happen to the site.

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I thought that would be great, but they demanded, but with Cal France, you can't do that.

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But I think it could be encouragement that people would want to if we had a really terrific

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trolley system.

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You know, I'm excited about seeing it expanded, you know, and not just three, but to five, to have, you know,

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in Xion it's every 15 minutes. And there's lots of things in the valley besides eating and drinking,

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that people could enjoy, and we would want them to, if they didn't clog our roads.

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I've been a member of the community on and off and since my family bought the ranch in

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58.

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So, you see a lot of change, you know, but it hasn't been an unfortunate change and so I would

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encourage the trolley to be supported and I was a, I was in Vietnam and the red cross and

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I felt a, you know, a kinship with anybody that had PTSD from that, because I myself

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and, you know, just unfair to characterizes that would be something negative.

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In fact, I think it's quite positive.

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So thank you all for listening.

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Thank you.

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Marinas Bill Meili and Helen Pasquadela.

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Hello, I am Alicia Marinas and I am going to try to speak clearly, but this will be fast.

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I am Alicia Marinas, the post-secondary Mods of Air Educational Specialist at Nordoft.

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I hold the mobility trainer pass with GoCostransit and Transportation Training as a key element to my program.

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I ride the Charlie 44 weeks out of the year, three to four days a week.

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I train for independence and successfully trained my students to be lifelong trolley drivers, or writers.

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Drivers would be great though.

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It bridges the gap between those who have mobility issues, those who can no longer drive, but also those who can choose to use public transportation to be better stewards of our environment.

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For those kids coming and going to school and for those who who need to travel to work.

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Poet transportation accessibility is the great equalizer, all walks of life come together and become a community.

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I read the trolley enough to know that reliability has been an issue.

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Sunday's have been suspended and the community has been stating the kids have been waiting

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at the trolley stops for over an hour when the trolley wasn't stated to be having an

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outage.

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A key component of public transportation is reliability.

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I believe that this reliability issue is solely due to lack of drivers.

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Five drivers, three that drive regularly, one that's been out for has been out due to medical

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reasons for months, and then the fifth one is like one day a week. As for the hiring

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of drivers, the city is offering a part-time job, I believe with no benefits. In 2023,

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city of Ohio reported that there were 10 drivers. And in the Senate program, program was

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looked at and included the race that was given. These 10 employees were then reported to be

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7 FTE, according to the Transportation Development Act, Trianiol Report of 2022. The

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The SNFs and raises have not worked, and we are now down to five total drivers.

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The hopes several years ago was to get back to the original 15, so we could have two

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roots.

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If the issue is there is no one willing to apply, maybe the offer needs to be more enticing.

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The Transportation Development Act regulations require transit operators to meet a fair

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box recovery ratio to be eligible for the full local transportation fund.

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This ratio is just a little bit more.

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This was generally 20% for urban operators, and 2017, according to the City's Resolution 1738. The trolley raised its rates and to try to meet that 20% of its ratio of expenses to the fair box income. It was able to bolster a fair box revenue of 14%. The Ohio trolley in 2017 received 45% of its annual operating funds from the Transportation Development Act.

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This was before COVID before the trolley service was cut in half, and California suspended this requirement until 2026 to due to COVID pandemic impact on ridership.

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We need our two routes to sustain the trolley by meeting the Transportation Development Act's requirements of 20%.

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We are little over six months away from that deadline.

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I want to urge the City Council to keep the trolley on and your radar.

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I would like to keep the 36 year community stable at the front.

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Thank you very much.

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I'm Bill Myley, Ellen Pascarla, and then Casey Abbott.

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Hello.

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A bunch of months, a bunch of months to go.

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I spoke with others to your council about the lack of drivers for the joy.

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Then folks who apply to drive or told you would cost several hundred dollars for training to get the proper license.

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The city then did a really good thing. They contracted with Gold Coast, the train drivers, driver applicants, had no cost,

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success.

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Now I understand that the free training for all I applicants has been stopped.

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Even though there are currently local folks with current driver training qualifications, waiting to apply,

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Rumors says the city is now accepting new applicants.

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Actually, while I heard from a reliable source,

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the city is not accepting applicants for trolley driver positions now

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and for some time in the near past.

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So why is the city refusing to accept applications from city folks

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helping to become a trolley driver?

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statement, our city is not accepting driver and applicant application and that's not right.

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Thank you, Mr. Miley. Helen Paschorella and then Casey Abbott.

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Good afternoon, city council.

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Good to see you again and thank you for having this meeting here and giving us a chance to speak about things that are happening in our community.

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When I spoke to you on March 1st of last year, when the fire resolution was passed by the city council,

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30,000 Palestinians had been killed in the Israeli genocide against them.

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Now, if you should say that it's 55,000, but some estimate that it may be as high as 109,000 still under the rubble

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and dying from malnutrition and other diseases due to the ongoing war and blockade.

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But I'm not here to speak about the injustice and Palestine, but rather the oppressive acts that are occurring right here in Ohio by the US government.

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What we have been witness to with the ice raids and the past months is fascism in action.

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The fact that people are being taken without due process and central Salvador prison is criminal.

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The Supreme Court has ordered to send the people back, but Trump has refused.

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We have heard of people being detained in Oxnard and San Maria, and now it's happened here in Ohio.

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Are you aware of this?

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Yes.

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Well, this young man was my friend's son.

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And it happened right across the street from my home, across the way.

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So,

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on Saturday morning, this 30th year old man was kidnapped in front of his home in minors Oaks.

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He had lived here in the U.S. for 21 years and was going to check in meetings with immigration

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for years. So he was here legally. He had no criminal record and he was in the process of applying

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for legal status. During the arrest he was injured from being thrown into the mailboxes in

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front of his home and he was taken to the Ohio Valley Hospital. And the only reason the mother found out

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where he was is because somebody worked there called her and told her. She did not know what happened

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him all day Saturday and Sunday. Until Sunday night, she was called from her son by her son from Tijuana.

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Are you okay, Mr. Whitman?

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Okay.

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And she was found that he sent to Tijuana and dropped off with 30 other immigrants.

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And why am I telling you this? Why should be care? Because people are being targeted right here in our community. They are not criminals and murderers as Trump described them.

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These are people who care for your children, clean your homes, harvest the food on your dinner table, and serve you at restaurants.

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So I'm asking you, and I'm here to speak because people in the community can't speak for themselves because they are afraid of losing their parents, of losing their children, and of themselves being deported.

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I'm asking the city of Ohio to consider a resolution and declare itself a sanctuary city. Why?

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Sanctuary cities, policies are aimed to protect the safety and well-being of all the residents, including undocumented immigrants, by limiting cooperation with the federal immigration.

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I would like us to support our community, and I mean everybody in our community, and by passing such or considering such a resolution, it would show the people.

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Thank you.

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Casey, have a please.

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I wanted to put in a supporting word for the trolley.

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I work way across town.

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Four miles, four to half miles.

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Wait, and it's a series convenience for me to be able to jump on the trolley.

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Is it off?

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I'm right speaking right into it. Is it going? Okay, I'm going to block a work. Works really

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have been helping me with that a while with several injuries.

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And one of the concerns of

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mine is a competent drivers. I really really appreciate what I see. It's been very, very good

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ones. I see things disturbing when I take the inner city bus and down to Ventura. There's a girl

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right to the bus and talk to the driver for the whole time and goes back and forth in the

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16 all day long to tracking drivers. It's almost as bad as him having a cell phone.

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I wish somebody could do something about it. But as far as other general issues,

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thank you for that consideration. Make sure he helps it to be able to take the project on her.

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Put it by the phone and go somewhere else if I need to hop onto the city bus as well.

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But also about turning this into a sanctuary city. I strongly oppose all my life. I've had

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Then back stabbed in my jobs as a machinist from people from other countries that did not want a competent person who belongs here, or with Native American roots,

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or with

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two years of college education, they want to keep it stupid people that don't speak the same language. They really resent somebody who tries to be competent.

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I've had other issues that I've had most of my expertise broken out by a drunk and illegal who punched me in the face for no reason

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smiled at me and did it again

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But to the peaceful route and his friends jumped on him and pulled him away and other people came and asked why didn't you just belt him or way bigger than him

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Yeah, I'm quite confident that you have it. I want to costume you to say we don't want anecdotes to become anything like policy

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So I'm asking you to temper your speed to little

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Just on the truth. Okay, but

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We're hearing you. I had no insurance of time, no recourse and it's very, very hard to get a job with that team.

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You can't get from office appearance written on your application.

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But yeah, there is a very, very negative side to the issue and you can have a bleeding heart and want to help everybody in the world,

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but they're going to come here and take all our resources. They're going to take our jobs and they're going to act like, hey, you can't work there.

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you're not Mexican, or whatever race they prefer to put into it. I'm a native. I'm

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I'm Cherokee Indian from this country. I'm a visitor in California, the Schumacher,

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00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,720
a very, very special tribe to the rest of the nations and the United States.

426
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Now that the United States, we used to be a turmoil island. They had the keepers of the

427
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,680
weather and gate there where we go to the next world. That's from point of

428
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,680
section here, and that was the Schumacher, the guarded. We walk very,

429
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:09,700
very

430
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a strong we oppose thank we're seeing and thank you for the time have good thank you

431
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:19,660
Mr. Montgomery anything online may or we have one more in-house I may have missed

432
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:27,760
post them go ahead let me down yeah all these people are here for the trolley or a lot

433
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,900
of them why is it this is self-inflicted it's one of the few things that should be working

434
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,640
well I mean we're not we don't have to spend a hundred thousand a year to get a bus driver

435
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,440
like they do with the school department because they can't find qualified drivers.

436
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,240
If we have drivers, we have trolleys, we have, we're flush with money, that's what we

437
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,780
were told months ago, now we have a deficit, I don't know, but there's no reason.

438
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:57,040
I mean, this is one of the few things that should actually be working well.

439
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,780
We own the trolleys, we have drivers.

440
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,120
You can get them trained. I don't know much about the other gentleman who former supervisor or the president supervisor. I don't, I've heard stories, but I don't know. But this is, this is absurd. I mean, there's no reason for it. So please solve it, move on. We're trying to get people off of cars. That's why they have buses. So let's use the buses we have. I know we're getting two more, but Sundays.

441
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:37,840
Cancel it for during a week. I mean have some of the schools pick up the tab if they want their kids picked up have some of the businesses pick up the tab

442
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480
They want to get their people chuddle here and there

443
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:47,600
But there's no reason for this we have other issues. This is not shouldn't be one of them

444
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,700
Thank you, Mr. Stangel. Mayer next card submitted is from Jeffrey Starkweather. Okay.

445
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:56,980
That's okay

446
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,940
Good evening to the council members mayor. Madison

447
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:09,100
Mine is just a request, actually. Maybe it's more of a staff thing, but someone who

448
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:13,180
reads in New York Times and Washington Post and all these papers every single day, I'm constantly

449
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:21,640
reading about the retent programs that could affect this housing, certainly climate change,

450
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:28,580
so forth. I think it would be useful for someone on our staff to kind of keep you all and

451
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:36,180
public up-to-date when things could impact us. They could affect our cabin village long-term

452
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:42,440
funding. We're talking about housing. It could affect that clearly. Section 8 could be threatened.

453
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:48,340
Doesn't mean that we should be lobbying for against it as a city, I mean we can, but I just think

454
00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:54,560
it's important that we have that information. And we talk about things. We don't come up with something

455
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,920
that it's not practical because, you know, the funding has been cut off or we're going

456
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:06,180
to have to seek funding. And actually the lobbying part may be some things that we need

457
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:13,240
like our Cayman Village. We need to be thinking about lobbying our legislators. Maybe even

458
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:20,920
inviting our two legislators to come here and tell us how they are helping us with housing,

459
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:27,920
climate change, social services, because we're going to need that backstop from our state.

460
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,100
I have a feeling the way things are going.

461
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,340
Thank you.

462
00:42:32,340 --> 00:42:33,320
Thank you, Ms. Starkweather.

463
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:34,680
Anything online?

464
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Yes, Mayor.

465
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,700
We do have one raised hand from our Zoom participant named Zoom user.

466
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:43,560
Zoom user, you have the ability to, if you'd like to stay your name and your comment.

467
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:44,500
Okay.

468
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,920
My name is Anita Hendrix.

469
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,720
Can you hear me?

470
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,320
Yes.

471
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:48,440
Okay.

472
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:55,900
Well, thank you all. I love the trolley. It takes students to school as older people, the

473
00:42:55,900 --> 00:43:03,100
Carlos, the tourists, people who just want to enjoy a tour of our town. It supports our sustainability

474
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:14,880
goals. It helps decrease congestion and pollution and helps to whatever extent reduce a global warming

475
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,180
because of the less petroleum use.

476
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:19,720
And it adds a tremendous charm to our city.

477
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:21,140
It is unique service.

478
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:26,020
The Gold Coast Transit does not take us all through our valley

479
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,480
and it takes us to good portion.

480
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:29,220
It could be expanded, that's true.

481
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,780
We have great dedicated drivers, and I hold only good things

482
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:37,180
about the supervisor who is now apparently in a band.

483
00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:42,100
I would like to know, does the council value the trolley service?

484
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:51,240
We have pre-COVID. We have every half-hour. We had it Saturdays and Sundays. In the budget,

485
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:58,300
there were supposed to be 12 to 14 part-time drivers. Now there are only three acting drivers. A few

486
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:05,980
Saturdays. We have no Sunday service and a few Saturdays. There was no service at all. On a Saturday,

487
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:10,960
because they had nobody to substitute for somebody who couldn't work for either

488
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,580
for get the reason. And there was no notice. So when you went over there to

489
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:19,200
catch the ride on Saturday, there was nothing to explain what was going on.

490
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:22,730
In

491
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:28,650
Austria, people get service every 15 minutes. The best comes every 15 minutes and

492
00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:29,150
it's free.

493
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:36,620
What are the obstacles to full service? Please let us know that. What

494
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:43,680
in the public and the council do to actualize full service not just as it was pre-COVID but

495
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,860
let's expand it. Let's make it so that people who want to go out at night can go out at night

496
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,760
and that some of the other areas that aren't service can be serviced. Perhaps the businesses

497
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,960
So benefit from the trolley could add to money as well as on the like after which has left.

498
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,560
The money could give some extra money to help us take it all the way out there.

499
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,400
The schools, many students rely on the trolley to get to and from school.

500
00:45:10,540 --> 00:45:18,140
I have been trying to find out what's been going on with this trolley service and have not come up with a really coherent, deep understanding of what's going on.

501
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:24,840
I would like to invite the council to sponsor a trolley town hall meeting where we can really get it in depth explanation.

502
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,920
And, you know, together work on solving this problem.

503
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:37,130
I also would like to make comments about the,

504
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:39,170
the sanctuary city.

505
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:42,210
Do I have, can I do that in the additional time a while?

506
00:45:42,250 --> 00:45:44,370
No, we have to end now. Thank you though.

507
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:46,430
Okay, please support the sanctuary city.

508
00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:47,210
Thank you very much.

509
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:47,590
Thank you.

510
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:49,350
No one raised hands.

511
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:50,030
Thank you.

512
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:53,450
And I can say confidently for myself and every council person I've heard

513
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:55,190
from that the trolley is a huge priority.

514
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:58,650
And we will continue to work on that, and I hope to see with our new

515
00:45:58,650 --> 00:45:59,670
Charlie's increase in Mr. Harvey.

516
00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:02,210
Sure, and just let me expand upon that.

517
00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:06,470
So the staff is following council's direction, which is to embellish the

518
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:07,750
Charlie service to that end.

519
00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:11,450
We have recently purchased as a stated several times to use

520
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:12,350
Charlie's.

521
00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:14,930
We have another all electric trolley that is on order.

522
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:18,630
We are actively trying to hire new drivers.

523
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:24,510
We are also looking at using a contract service to backfill those

524
00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:29,690
agencies that we have. So we hope in short order to have the Sunday service restored and

525
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:33,470
to have an ample pool, it is something that we are working on. We want to thank the Council

526
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:38,970
for Council's direction in July to increase the pay for all the trolley drivers which has

527
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:44,330
been helpful. So we will continue to look at other ways that we can expand the driver pool.

528
00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:48,970
And if it requires Council action, we will come back to you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

529
00:46:49,330 --> 00:46:53,650
Yes. And I just wanted to add one more thing along those lines. And that is, but I am the council

530
00:46:53,650 --> 00:47:05,370
liaison for the Gold Coast Transit District, and they're training, and it's a program that

531
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:13,950
is excellent. And so I am confident that any training that we have for our new bus driver

532
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:18,950
trolley drivers will be excellent as well.

533
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:21,870
Thank you.

534
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:22,150
Yes.

535
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:22,530
Yeah.

536
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:23,130
I'm just curious.

537
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:26,230
So is there like an ad placed for drivers?

538
00:47:26,350 --> 00:47:26,790
No.

539
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:28,370
Yeah.

540
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:31,270
So currently we are in fact hiring for drivers.

541
00:47:31,450 --> 00:47:33,770
If anyone wants to see his website,

542
00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:35,590
hoi.ca.gov.

543
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:38,050
Look departments, city manager,

544
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:40,010
human resources, jobs.

545
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:42,830
The job posting for trolley driver is posted.

546
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:49,570
And we also are continuing the partnership with Gold Coast Transit that if we onboard

547
00:47:49,570 --> 00:47:55,030
someone that does not have their passenger endorsement, we have paid to put them through

548
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:59,970
the training to get them to the passenger endorsement and also the got them to the road up.

549
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:06,690
Mr. Miley, please, you know what to do. Thank you.

550
00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:14,130
So, it is open. We are accepting applications and looking to hire drivers and as Mr. Harvey stated,

551
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:19,970
we've also looked at the potential to contract out, which we were successfully doing for

552
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:21,650
Sundays and we had understood this.

553
00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:28,090
Just to understand, not not contracting out the service using a contract service so that we can

554
00:48:28,090 --> 00:48:30,310
have additional drivers. I want to be clear about that.

555
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:35,970
So, how long has the trolley not been available on Sundays?

556
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:42,320
So the trolley service, we had contracted out earlier this year.

557
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:43,600
We had stopped the contract.

558
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:44,920
We were told that we could fill it.

559
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:50,100
And now again, I want to be clear, we contracted with a service for contract drivers.

560
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:51,620
Not contracted out the trolley.

561
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,200
Mm-hmm.

562
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:58,480
In the Middle East day, we contracted for a single driver to fill the Sunday service with work

563
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,140
well.

564
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,600
So when was the wind?

565
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:06,060
And then we had covered that service in house with our drivers for a couple of months.

566
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:09,000
And there's scheduled no longer allowed them to do that.

567
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:18,280
So it's been remunous for months, how long has we not had this ring so my understanding potentially around mid-Far.

568
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:20,300
This mid-marked March.

569
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,520
Two months.

570
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,540
And Mayor Council, we're going beyond.

571
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,900
We need response to public comment.

572
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:27,900
Mindful of the Brown Act.

573
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:30,220
Clearly the matter needs more more review.

574
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,600
Anyone with questions can contact Mr. Alameda.

575
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:34,540
The overseer of the transit operations.

576
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,060
Thank you.

577
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,040
And we're hearing you well.

578
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,340
We've got it.

579
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:46,060
Okay, moving on. We will now go to the consent calendar. I know there's one item that there is something I would like to pull, which is I

580
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,640
Anybody else?

581
00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:53,890
Okay, just a second.

582
00:49:54,250 --> 00:49:55,170
Mm-hmm.

583
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,980
Yeah, actually I wanted to pull H.

584
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:01,940
Okay,

585
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:15,050
anybody else? I was just kind of wondering, I'm up for suggestions with the goals and tactics.

586
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:19,490
It just seems like this is not on the consent part.

587
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:19,830
Okay.

588
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:21,490
General agenda part?

589
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:22,370
Go ahead.

590
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:22,890
Yeah, I'm sure.

591
00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:24,130
Yeah.

592
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:25,670
When it's time, I just...

593
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:26,010
Okay.

594
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:29,190
Yeah, so that will be coming after consent.

595
00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:30,090
No, no, that's okay.

596
00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:31,450
On item number three discussion.

597
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:39,550
no problem. Okay, um, can I get a motion to approve all the items except H and I?

598
00:50:40,310 --> 00:50:42,510
I'll move to approve the other items. Great.

599
00:50:43,110 --> 00:50:46,190
Second. Okay. All those in favor?

600
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:48,770
I opposed. Great.

601
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:55,790
So I can bring up, and I want to hear from you, Miss Whitman, the issue that I had on I,

602
00:50:55,790 --> 00:51:16,230
If you look at the document on pages, well, two of two, it's the page 1, I, two, there's just one piece that I think got brought and not corrected from our last conversation is the paragraph after the italics.

603
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:24,770
where it says this recommended modification would allow the city council the option to appoint a five member PRC and the ability to constitute a near term

604
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:32,410
quorum of the regular meeting of the PRC. In this discretion the proposed ordinance would also allow the city council to appoint a three member commission.

605
00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:46,070
That was brought up by Mr. Ackens last time the option to appoint additional members to reinstate a seven member. I believe that the intent of the language was meant to say something on the order of you have a three member quorum with a five

606
00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:49,530
member, but it was never our intention to appoint a three member commission.

607
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:52,750
So that should be corrected in that piece.

608
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:53,990
Yeah.

609
00:51:54,770 --> 00:52:06,370
Question that we had and what I understood was that the option that this this particular portion

610
00:52:06,370 --> 00:52:13,430
was pulled from the arts commission and that the three person option is embedded in with

611
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:19,330
intent to use it, but it is in the Arts Commission as well because we did bring that up in the

612
00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:23,930
last meeting. Did I understand that correctly? Yeah, that's correct. The language is used here

613
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:28,310
as seven members or such less than a number as maybe appointed by the council is exactly the

614
00:52:28,310 --> 00:52:33,070
same as in the Arts Commission. The ability to go smaller is inherent, but we never expected to be

615
00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:42,810
utilized. Right. So I guess, so Mayor, do you have a problem with having the ability if a council

616
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:48,550
was so inclined to do so. No, I guess I didn't want anybody to misunderstand. We are not

617
00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:53,210
intending to have it go smaller than five. But I guess if we want the ability to do that,

618
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:57,850
I just can't imagine that we would want to. No, I can't either. But it just then it becomes a

619
00:52:57,850 --> 00:53:02,670
question of do we want to change the ordinance and therefore change the ordinance for the arts

620
00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:10,350
commission as well. Or do we want to just say that the option is there if the council were ever

621
00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:17,190
to want to bring that forward, but we don't intend that the council would, unless there was

622
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:22,150
some very good reason. So I just wanted to clarify that we did discuss this at the last meeting,

623
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:27,690
and that was my understanding. There are no. There is value in having the language match for

624
00:53:27,690 --> 00:53:31,550
the commissions. I agree with that. But of course, it's up to the council.

625
00:53:33,570 --> 00:53:35,030
And why I don't mind

626
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:38,810
keeping it the way it is, as long as we understand the intent. But the second part that I just

627
00:53:38,810 --> 00:53:47,550
to bring up on on I is that the if I've understood correctly from that commission and the

628
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:52,610
people who have spoken with the commission is that since they have essentially three new

629
00:53:52,610 --> 00:53:59,990
people starting on assuming that that that Bradley's going to be ratified then what they would

630
00:53:59,990 --> 00:54:04,930
like to do is move forward with their first meeting, get up to speed, we can continue with our

631
00:54:04,930 --> 00:54:10,090
reviewing and have those people in the queue to working with them, but that they would begin now.

632
00:54:10,570 --> 00:54:11,810
Just to clarify that piece.

633
00:54:14,050 --> 00:54:22,850
Yes, since I was the last, really, council person to speak the chair and have the interview

634
00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:29,650
process. Yeah, that's correct. They feel that onboarding three people is a plenty enough task

635
00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:35,870
and at the time that either the council or the commission feels like they should move to

636
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:42,530
seven, that becomes an option for either the council to ask the Parks Commission, Parks

637
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:47,750
and Rix Commission to do so, or the Parks and Rix Commission to enter into a discussion about

638
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:54,930
if now is the proper time. I will note that the Arts Commission has been at five for at least a year

639
00:54:54,930 --> 00:54:59,970
and no one has knocked on their door and said you should be seven or

640
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:23,700
We've gotten into a discussion with them. So yeah, that would be the only point there is that it remains open to the council to make that decision at any time. It remains open to the council liaison to discuss that with the Parks and Recs Commission at that will. So yeah, I see, I guess I don't see the problem.

641
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:31,140
I'm with you. Mr. women. Yeah. So I also have the concern about the

642
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:36,200
remember Commission. Language. But it's in the staff report and it doesn't

643
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:43,500
appear to be in the ordinance of that. That's what I'm missing. Yeah, it's just

644
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,280
in the staff report. Not the ordinance. Okay. And I don't really understand what

645
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:58,860
the reference to the three member commission is, but I think to certainly agree, the mayor's

646
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:07,520
comments, assuming that's the direction we go, address my concerns. I did not want to stop

647
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:16,780
the selection process. I'm also fine with us constituting a five-person Parks and

648
00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:23,600
Rec Commission. But I'd like to see us move forward with Canada at six and seven,

649
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,120
and then depending on the timing in terms of the first meeting of the Parks and

650
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:30,620
mission,

651
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:40,080
either there's nominations or there's not, but it's a topic for public comment

652
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,500
whether we have a five to seven person commission as well.

653
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:51,740
And I just want to, my only concerning holding those items was to make sure that we were continuing with the process.

654
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,080
That's my intent.

655
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:57,980
I think I need some clarification on this.

656
00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:08,620
So we are moving forward with appointing six and seven, even though one of the nominating,

657
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,260
even though the chair of the commission, who is a nominating committee, wouldn't.

658
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,680
The conversation that I had had briefly was simply this.

659
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,160
Starting with, I'm wording these five people.

660
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,660
start dating the first one I believe is June 7th or something like that that there's a night

661
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:29,900
which the initial meeting would simply first be the protocol of the handbook that Mr. Harvey

662
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:36,280
would probably deliver. Then my intention as in my conversation with the chair was as we can

663
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,700
do it, we interview more people so that the other council people can also have their voice.

664
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:47,480
Great. And that's going to be up to that unanimous consent going forward. So my thought was,

665
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:52,200
You have those other people. If there is unanimous approval, which the chair would approve

666
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:57,620
have to be part of the unanimity. But there's no urgency there, but that we keep the public.

667
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,840
Okay, great. Simply that. Thank you.

668
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:08,240
Oh, that's fair. Yes. I'm just wondering if it's going to, if the, if the commission decides to keep it at five,

669
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:17,100
then are those efforts in vain? Yeah. And then do we give someone who we might

670
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:25,000
be want to choose when we give them a false hope or when they feel like their time has been wasted.

671
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:26,820
That's all.

672
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:34,900
And I would tend to agree that it would make more sense to have an agreement to move forward to seven.

673
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:42,460
Then it would be to keep interviewing with an unknown date for seven.

674
00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:50,220
I know that the chair is also wanting to bring this matter before the commission, once it

675
00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:56,600
is, it has its first meeting, and also the public to discuss these kinds of things.

676
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:05,160
So, I mean, I'm not adverse to continuing with interviewing, but I do think that without a

677
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:10,320
kind of firm idea of when five might go to seven, it might be a wasted effort and it might

678
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,260
false hope or you know not false hope but you know what I mean.

679
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:20,880
Then might I propose that that first meeting take place in June and then that might be the next step?

680
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:23,060
Yeah, I think that's good.

681
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:31,880
And see how quickly you know the onboarding happens and how they gel and you know when they feel ready to bring two more people on.

682
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:34,180
I think that seems reasonable.

683
00:59:34,180 --> 00:59:42,880
So, you know, my concern is that the process has been absurdly long.

684
00:59:43,820 --> 00:59:50,300
I know that I appointed a commissioner and the whole process took about six weeks.

685
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:57,380
But for some reason, we're, you know, seven months down the road and we haven't had been able to get five,

686
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,680
although we have lots of lots of applicants.

687
01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:23,470
And I think there's two very strong applicants who have not been interviewed yet. And I think that interviewing them and we can give them full disclosure that they may never be appointed, just like anybody who interviews may never be appointed.

688
01:00:23,470 --> 01:00:31,670
Why can't we speak for myself to say that I think the process at least since December has been going as fast as it could go.

689
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:41,490
Maybe, you know, not as fast as we would like. But here we are. Right. And we have a commission that is now able to me. So my suggestion was just.

690
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:51,530
speed of the process and the event that there is a decision to have 7 instead of 5.

691
01:00:51,910 --> 01:01:01,130
We just go ahead and enter the candidates for exceed 6 and 7 with the understanding that it may remain a 5.

692
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:09,340
If that makes them feel like they don't want to participate, I just don't think that that's going to be the case.

693
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:14,420
I'd like to see it move forward as quickly as you mean just more interviews moving forward.

694
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:14,960
It's more interviews.

695
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,560
Because the moving forward, the commission's going to meet.

696
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:18,320
It's going to be good.

697
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:19,340
No.

698
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:21,400
That's my intent.

699
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,460
Commission made seven people they can make decisions.

700
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,560
And I think there has to be a debate.

701
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:30,500
Public comment.

702
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:31,180
There.

703
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,600
Trinity to comment on the idea of going to seven versus staying at five.

704
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,280
That's why I would ask you might consider if that first meeting in

705
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,760
can be part of the form of that. That seems reasonable to me because then we're involved in the committee and the

706
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:54,260
That seem okay to you. Yeah, that's why I think also it would be who has to bring the chair into this discussion as well

707
01:01:54,260 --> 01:01:58,620
That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's not the who for now are this morning

708
01:01:58,620 --> 01:01:59,220
and

709
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,140
She's fine with the

710
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:07,860
General concept we've been talking about okay. Okay, so I have a I have a question about so

711
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:15,120
So I'm Councilmember Whitman and I are the next ones to a point.

712
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:23,420
And I've already interviewed a couple of them before all of the changes happen to her.

713
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,500
And I would like to talk to more of the applicants.

714
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,860
So is there a way that we, because I understand that there are limitations in terms of

715
01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:46,980
all have to have these interviews together, is there a way to, I guess this is something that

716
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:54,020
we could talk about, and with the Brown Act, it makes it difficult for us to have to interview

717
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:54,940
multiple people.

718
01:02:55,980 --> 01:03:01,700
We can't hear what you're saying, but somebody being on Zoom is fun, we've had that, so I don't

719
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:06,700
know if that makes it any easier, but so far it has been too difficult to get the appointments

720
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:11,780
we've got, you know, a little finagling that is a very help facilitate that and she's done a very

721
01:03:11,780 --> 01:03:17,720
excellent job with that, so I see it's harder because of what was voted in last year the

722
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:24,800
unanimous piece and together, but that was a reason. Yeah, because it's, okay, this is, I,

723
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:32,580
like I would want to know who, who, who, who else you're interviewing, and so that there's no overlap,

724
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:37,760
and this is, we could, I can work this out right, but I don't need to, I don't need to, yeah.

725
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,820
And don't want to be on this for the city attorney.

726
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:48,540
So, to avoid duplication of interviews, more duplication for the interview.

727
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:49,400
Yes.

728
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:57,280
Is it okay without violating the Brown Act where both Rachel and I, and the mayor?

729
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,540
Yeah, and the mayor and the mayor.

730
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:03,280
No, okay, I see Ben, I see our senior managers.

731
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:03,860
You.

732
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:04,440
Facial expression.

733
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,080
The universe of the people who are interviewed.

734
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Yes, if it's a notice meeting.

735
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,940
Three, three council members makes that a notice meeting.

736
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,620
So you absolutely could interview the candidates altogether, but that's a notice meeting

737
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:22,440
public agenda public comment, the whole debate, just the solution to avoid that.

738
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,900
If I had a different election piece, a different way to do it.

739
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:30,380
Well, so that's a larger conversation, obviously, is there's other ways to

740
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:36,540
commissioners but working within what we've already adopted. The approach that one could use is

741
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:42,760
the candidate is scheduled for two hour block the mayor and the chair stay all the time

742
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:47,180
and the two council members rotate in and nobody conveys what was discussed in the morning

743
01:04:47,180 --> 01:04:51,540
in the first hour of the second hour. That's the solution. I realize it means the candidate needs to

744
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:56,160
sit through two hours. That's the price of being involved in the community. Well, I was just

745
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,980
All I wanted to offer was as we took on this task, I saw it.

746
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,900
Now how daunting it could be. And we look at what are some of the ways to get this to be manageable enough. And so the solution that we kind of all brainstormed on a little bit was the, the, the, the, the, also person who has the appointment to ask us start off, you know, with Ms. Mayan that they would select a few, then it would be the chair myself and the council person would do those few. And if one was unanimously appointed, go to the next. So that's we, we thought that's as one potential way of at least getting it embodied, which we will leave on now.

747
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:40,400
And then, and then moving forward to make it, but what we thought about is, if everybody got it, if all of you had a chance to interview every single person, that's not right.

748
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:41,240
Which is not what you were.

749
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:56,060
Is there any, I mean, is there any prohibition against, for instance, Council Member Lang calling applicants and speaking with them directly before an interview?

750
01:05:56,060 --> 01:06:02,500
Well, yeah, that's fine. Yeah. There's no requirement. Yeah, you don't bring them up for the nominating.

751
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,780
Right. Okay. Now you can do your your prelim or your. Yeah. Okay.

752
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:12,600
Information gathering is absolutely fine. Right. Thanks. I think what I'm what I'm trying to avoid is

753
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:22,440
having myself or an applicant spend time when there's a chance that they're not going to be

754
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:32,360
pointed. I don't want to inconvenience anyone else, or you know, any more than than then is necessary.

755
01:06:32,460 --> 01:06:35,300
Just for clarity. There's always a chance they won't be a friend to.

756
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:39,720
Right. That's correct. If they certainly won't be appointed.

757
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:40,640
I agree with that.

758
01:06:41,380 --> 01:06:48,980
And knowing that I know I've talked to two members of the commission and they do want to have five.

759
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,040
So let's let that be.

760
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:53,180
Yes, yes, yes.

761
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:53,440
Okay.

762
01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:54,020
Great.

763
01:06:54,540 --> 01:06:54,680
Okay.

764
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:56,220
Yes, I'm good with that.

765
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,300
Can I just jump in, sorry, last thing.

766
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,940
Just know that the June meeting is going to be very heavy with training.

767
01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:07,840
It's going to be the Brown Act training, the boards and commission handbook training.

768
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:09,940
They're going to need to appoint officers.

769
01:07:10,340 --> 01:07:14,760
So you can certainly load up their meeting, but you might be talking about a two or three hour deal.

770
01:07:15,380 --> 01:07:16,300
So just just know that.

771
01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:19,270
All right.

772
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:27,150
So it sounds like, unless there's an objection to the appointment, are we okay with H&I?

773
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:35,330
Yeah, as long as what we just discussed, those options remain available under what we're adopted.

774
01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:41,890
I think those options are available and that we would look at green. Yes, those options are

775
01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:47,370
are consistent with what's up for adoption, as they consummated in the future. And then I'm

776
01:07:47,810 --> 01:08:15,870
Okay, all right, and we're good with H and I. I moved. I moved H and I. Was there any public comment? Oh, yes, there's. Well, I have a question. Mr. Summers. If there's public comments on consent items that were approved. Are we to hear those? Yeah, we certainly take the public comment. I do that we would have. I didn't realize there were cards and items that were already approved. I do that we took the comment before. Okay, but the minimum will take it now. Okay, then let me start with. It's consent item G for Mr. Mili.

777
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:23,490
The, the charging station.

778
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:24,010
correct?

779
01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:26,170
Okay,

780
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:37,110
I'm glad you got to this because I was sad. So it's good to make more

781
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:44,170
charging stations available. I support the larger version with two ports each,

782
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:51,050
giving more opportunities and thus cost for port. But I have two suggestions.

783
01:08:53,270 --> 01:08:53,290
The

784
01:08:53,290 --> 01:08:54,770
charge for public use.

785
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:58,130
The administrative right-up says a nominal charge.

786
01:08:59,050 --> 01:09:04,550
To make my point, an nominal definition is a very small, far below the real cost.

787
01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:12,510
I cannot support our city subsidizing EV charging services for the general public.

788
01:09:13,870 --> 01:09:18,710
The charge should be the cost of the product, plus an amortization of the equipment installation

789
01:09:18,710 --> 01:09:25,610
and service. And because of this proposal, I asked to have the public charges placed on all

790
01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:34,390
other city-owned EV stations in town knowing what we charge and are resubsidizing those services

791
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:42,820
also. The second, the location seems to be problematic. South East portion of

792
01:09:42,820 --> 01:09:50,820
I sent you a Google map marked the site with red and put the green site where I thought it should be.

793
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,020
That site seems to be difficult.

794
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,700
It's a long distance away from the building for staff.

795
01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:59,360
Come and go.

796
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:23,580
It's a tight area, apparently there's no night lighting. It wouldn't seem to be very safe. However, I just got information tonight that there is a noise generated by those charging they're got eB card. And it can be annoying. So if you put someplace else, but there are houses that back up to that side.

797
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:31,760
I suggest the different, and more open location, which is a long park road, the parking

798
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:38,020
on in front of where the ball parks are, and that might be easier for everybody.

799
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:49,470
The last thing I want to say is please consider an effort to encourage apartment building owners,

800
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:56,610
to install charging stations at their buildings, which will make it a lot easier for people

801
01:10:56,610 --> 01:10:57,550
Red.

802
01:10:58,590 --> 01:10:59,330
The charge is there.

803
01:10:59,510 --> 01:11:00,230
E.B.

804
01:11:00,230 --> 01:11:01,330
E.B.

805
01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:02,030
Here it goes.

806
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:03,530
When they buy him.

807
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:04,270
Thank you.

808
01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:05,030
Thank you, Mr. Miley.

809
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:09,310
And Larry Steingold on A and G.

810
01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:17,960
A is actually it was B.

811
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:18,360
Okay.

812
01:11:18,620 --> 01:11:19,200
Oh, B. Sorry.

813
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:20,280
City Awards.

814
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,460
Legal fees.

815
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,800
$20,000 for miscellaneous litigation.

816
01:11:28,020 --> 01:11:30,520
I didn't know litigation could be miscellaneous.

817
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:40,300
So, it would be nice to see a breakdown of what the miscellaneous litigation is because for $20,000, it's not little.

818
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,280
You have $10,000 for employment and labor.

819
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:51,820
Now, I assume all the contracts and all that stuff for all pre-written and everything else.

820
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:58,100
So, is there a problem with labor and employment that we need to spend $10,000 for the month?

821
01:11:59,620 --> 01:12:02,940
Then there's $8,000 for special projects.

822
01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:07,000
Have those special projects been authorized by City Council.

823
01:12:07,780 --> 01:12:08,540
I don't know.

824
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,280
Do you know that?

825
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:11,440
What are they?

826
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:15,040
Could they be enumerated since we are paying for them?

827
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,760
So it would be nice because at this point we're spending a lot of money on legal bills,

828
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,200
which seems to me a lot of them are self-inflicted,

829
01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:25,560
which I, unfortunately, is very bad.

830
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:39,480
G. I agree with Bill Meilly regarding everything he mentioned. The four charging ports, the charging, the public retail prices.

831
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:48,800
We shouldn't be giving discounts to citizens for charging their electric cars and regarding the noise.

832
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:56,000
If there is a noise, please investigate it now because we don't want to end up with a pickleball problem.

833
01:12:57,780 --> 01:13:00,300
After the fact, because now what do you do?

834
01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:03,880
You will now build a sound wall around the charging stations.

835
01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:06,740
Do we landscape the charging stations?

836
01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:09,800
Do we have a legal fight?

837
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:11,560
Does it go on the ballot?

838
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,900
So please go listen to the charging stations before you install them.

839
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,940
and that's it's a good thing so if you can get them for that price great

840
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:28,380
and still all them charge retail and take it. Thank you. Thank you Mr. and Gold.

841
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,840
Mr. Mr. Starkweather is it on G that you want to admit? Okay. Yep.

842
01:13:37,420 --> 01:13:38,720
I just want to

843
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:44,140
reinforce the idea that if we're doing charging stations pay for by the city

844
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:47,560
that we should be charging people to full cost.

845
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:53,340
If we were in a situation where car companies were making cars

846
01:13:53,340 --> 01:13:56,560
or middle-class people, working-class people, that are electric,

847
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:00,080
I'd say, well, maybe it's not a bad idea to encourage people

848
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,360
to get electric cars, but we're not.

849
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:05,360
And actually, the car companies are cutting back on that.

850
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:09,220
The emphasis on electric cars has been the high end user

851
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,260
And we haven't focused like China on average people.

852
01:14:16,140 --> 01:14:21,600
So I don't think the city should be subsidizing one group of wealthier people in the city

853
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:26,160
for their cars, because the rest of us have to get gas or something hybrid.

854
01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:27,220
Thank you.

855
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:28,500
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

856
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,280
Do we have some notion of what nominal means here?

857
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,900
Seems to me that's kind of vague.

858
01:14:35,780 --> 01:14:36,160
I'm sorry.

859
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,380
Well, in G, it says that we'll charge a nominal fee.

860
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,380
The city council, prior to this council,

861
01:14:44,540 --> 01:14:47,780
made a policy decision to subsidize the charge

862
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:49,420
for the charge in stations.

863
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,380
And so, James Han is here.

864
01:14:52,460 --> 01:14:55,020
I could ask him to remind me, he's in back,

865
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:55,800
he can come out.

866
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:56,220
You'd like to.

867
01:14:56,620 --> 01:14:57,060
There we go.

868
01:14:57,180 --> 01:14:59,980
Let us, James, to please Mr. Han, to please it.

869
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,840
Remind me as to what we charge versus what it costs, but this is based on a prior council decision.

870
01:15:05,180 --> 01:15:11,600
Thank you. So we charge $1 per hour. It doesn't matter how much electricity you're pulling.

871
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:21,960
When you start charging, it pulls a lot more electricity as you're there longer, it pulls less.

872
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:35,400
We did average it out, figured out how much our total cost, including network connection fees, the cost of the equipment, and found out that it on average would be about three dollars an hour.

873
01:15:35,580 --> 01:15:42,080
We wanted full cost recovery when we did the analysis two and a half, three years ago.

874
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:49,140
And as far as the noise, there is no noise. She can go stand next to them. It's the same units that are out here.

875
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:53,140
So, there's noise, but it's not crazy, isn't it?

876
01:15:54,860 --> 01:16:04,720
I'm remembering that the city hall that we had, the resident, the neighbors were, had

877
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:10,100
complaint come to council and complained about the lights, that the car lights going right into

878
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:15,860
their windows, have we explored those options or have we contacted the neighbors who would be

879
01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:19,620
did buy the charging stations to let them know?

880
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:32,780
So, in this case, they were upset because the originally proposed site was less than 10 feet from their windows.

881
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,580
Over at Surzody were across the street.

882
01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:43,960
And it's in the existing parking lot that's been, I've lived here for 50 years and it's always been there.

883
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:51,200
Yeah, and all of the parking at Sarzoti, all of the faces into the field.

884
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:54,240
No. No. It would be facing out.

885
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,800
It's actually facing the street.

886
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:56,220
Okay.

887
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:58,200
It is the diagonal.

888
01:16:58,760 --> 01:16:58,880
Right.

889
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,760
It is clear across the street and the houses are up higher.

890
01:17:03,940 --> 01:17:04,720
Right. Okay.

891
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,840
I don't think that lights would be in that shoe.

892
01:17:07,220 --> 01:17:13,680
Is there a way to to orient the charging stations so that

893
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:19,780
So that someone would have to pull in forward to use them instead of backing into that.

894
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,380
Actually backing in is probably preferable if you're worried about lights.

895
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,660
Because the view would be facing the field.

896
01:17:28,340 --> 01:17:28,820
Got it.

897
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:30,460
Okay. Great. Thank you.

898
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:31,280
Thank you.

899
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,120
Thank you, Mr. Hon.

900
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:33,160
All right. Thanks.

901
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:34,420
Okay.

902
01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:35,340
Yeah.

903
01:17:35,740 --> 01:17:37,100
But yeah.

904
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,420
I think we should bring back the issues of whether we should

905
01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:46,820
subsidized, as opposed to collect our costs, including maintenance, so that it's a break.

906
01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:48,560
It's a break even proposition.

907
01:17:49,260 --> 01:17:59,480
We'll still be slaughtering Mr. Musk at his charging station over there in terms of way, way

908
01:18:00,380 --> 01:18:02,480
undercutting the retail rate.

909
01:18:03,140 --> 01:18:05,320
But we shouldn't be a loser.

910
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:07,380
Sounds good, Mr. Harvey, you have that.

911
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:08,500
Thank you.

912
01:18:09,850 --> 01:18:16,210
Okay, so we've already actually approved all of those, so do I have a motion to approve H and I on the to approve

913
01:18:16,210 --> 01:18:20,080
All those in favor. I opposed

914
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:25,310
Wonderful. Thank you. That was good. Okay

915
01:18:26,170 --> 01:18:31,690
We'll move on to the public hearing on item number two and that is

916
01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:34,720
Well permit application approval for the Ohio Valley in

917
01:18:35,410 --> 01:18:36,670
Mr. Harvey

918
01:18:37,710 --> 01:18:44,630
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Absolutely. I'm going to hand things over to Miss Palmer once she gets situated. Thank you Miss Palmer. Thank you.

919
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,020
Good evening Mayor and council members.

920
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:58,420
So the item before you tonight is a monitoring well permit from the Ohio Valley and the Ohio Valley and is the applicant.

921
01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:05,860
I want to just start out by saying this is a monitoring well and not a production well actually there's five.

922
01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:14,020
So, there are five wells about 30 feet deep and they are trying to gather some data to determine

923
01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:18,700
the feasibility and the for water savings for their irrigation.

924
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:26,200
So, I've got in your packet tonight, you've got an application to the City of Ohio, you've

925
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:33,520
got an application to the county of Ventura and in addition I have a letter of support from OBGMA.

926
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,820
So they're in support of this as well.

927
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:51,140
So when this came to council when a monitoring well application came to council some time ago a couple of months ago we had discussed the possibility it's a it's a multi jurisdictional application here between the county

928
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:59,980
the city of Ohio and OBGMA. So our ordinance code our municipal code requires us to hold this public hearing into issues.

929
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:11,200
The permit, although the county of Ventura Watershed will be issuing a permit as well. So here we are tonight, and I can answer any questions you may have.

930
01:20:11,580 --> 01:20:12,260
Any questions please?

931
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,600
Yeah, I've got it. I've got a question actually for legal counsel.

932
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:23,080
I think we had a well permit come up in the last three months or so.

933
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:43,500
And I think at that time I asked or an item to come back to us to discuss whether OBGMA and the county should occupy this field or what, you know, advantages would it be for us to hang on to any part of it.

934
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:48,880
I don't see us doing anything, but rely upon what OBGMA and the county,

935
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:54,380
tell us, I mean, OBGMA is set up to make sure that we're sustainable

936
01:20:55,340 --> 01:21:01,160
around the water, so that is that eventually coming back.

937
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:06,440
Yeah, so staff is in process on an ordinance amendment for the council's consideration that would

938
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:10,220
remove the requirement for a separate on top city permit for wells.

939
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:21,100
The permit requirement we have stems from another era when OBGMA was not yet fully set up before sigma have been adopted this sustainable groundwater management agency law that state law

940
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:28,300
LBGMA has its own law sigma is a comprehensive law before OBGMA was fully run before sigma was in place and

941
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:34,440
frankly when the time when the city council didn't have great trust in this partnership these at that time given what was happening then

942
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:38,880
We had our own well permit program that now we're working well together

943
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:46,520
We have confidence in great confidence in OBGMA as expressed by the council previously, and there's this additional robust regulatory regime

944
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:55,880
So we are we are bringing that forward, but it is not yet done and we didn't want to pause this important monitoring process

945
01:21:56,860 --> 01:22:02,580
As opposed to a production process. I think we might consider pausing a production well to rely solely on OBGMA

946
01:22:03,140 --> 01:22:06,800
But for here, we we took a look at the two choices rational ordinance or

947
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,220
or bring forward this monitoring while application.

948
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,180
And hopefully we did not want the Ohio Valley

949
01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:14,740
and to get caught between this timing,

950
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,480
between adopting and revising our code

951
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:19,220
and giving them a permit for this.

952
01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:21,100
So yes, that is definitely in the works,

953
01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:23,740
and we have numerous conversations about it.

954
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,080
And I'll just, particularly when here, OBGMA

955
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,420
has recommended and writing,

956
01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:29,260
the approval of these monitoring wells.

957
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,620
And I just, just for clarification

958
01:22:33,620 --> 01:22:36,680
And for public information,

959
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:50,280
we are, would I be correct in saying that they are not, that the monitoring means that they're just going to be dipping into the well and gathering data and not actually drawing water from the wells.

960
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:58,480
Yes. These wells are 30 feet deep, which is just for monitoring and gathering data. If it was a production well would be about 1,000 feet.

961
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,040
Got it. Okay. Thank you.

962
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,900
a thousand feet. So this is not that. And and this is what I also be correct in saying that this is

963
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:13,060
that this that they are being very proactive about water conservation efforts and that this

964
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:20,240
monitoring is a part of that overall comprehensive plan that they have. Yes. So.

965
01:23:20,740 --> 01:23:27,420
The suggestion. The applicant is here and so possibly if you would like, you know, to if this is part

966
01:23:27,420 --> 01:23:34,140
The question is fine, this is part of the discussion, but just point out that the applicant is here and probably could answer some of these questions if you like.

967
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,820
I do have a, are you done? I'm sorry.

968
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:45,500
So when I'm looking at the discussion, so the first paragraph, it says that starts the Ohio Valley in says,

969
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:49,720
an application for five monitoring wells on private property.

970
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,820
These are the wells will be used for evaluating the water efficiency of irrigation and water saving programs.

971
01:23:54,820 --> 01:24:07,140
That sounds great. When I go to the second paragraph, it says oh high-musical code section 7-3.204 requires a permit for construction modification replacement and repair of wells.

972
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:17,000
In this case, the proposed wells structure will allow the applicant to use ground water for their landscaping and domestic use.

973
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:23,080
And for clarity purposes, they would be coming back to us for a production well permit.

974
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:24,740
Okay, so they would need to come back.

975
01:24:24,860 --> 01:24:32,060
They couldn't make sort of an informal, they would have to come back for a new permit.

976
01:24:32,780 --> 01:24:33,460
Go through the county.

977
01:24:33,780 --> 01:24:37,180
Go through OBGMA and come back to the city for a production well.

978
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:37,980
Okay.

979
01:24:38,220 --> 01:24:38,620
So I'll go.

980
01:24:38,660 --> 01:24:39,460
Thanks for the clarification.

981
01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:40,560
Thank you.

982
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,020
I have one public comment.

983
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:47,640
Eric Ryder.

984
01:24:56,580 --> 01:24:56,740
Okay.

985
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:12,740
Hi, I'm Eric Ryder. Hello. I came across this piece of news researching for material for some story

986
01:25:12,740 --> 01:25:23,640
work I'm working on. And it's a brand new study published May 8 by the Journal of

987
01:25:27,070 --> 01:25:28,190
the American Medical

988
01:25:28,190 --> 01:25:34,990
Association. The news week article where I found it a little easier to digest.

989
01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:41,550
It came out two days later on the 10th, last week.

990
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:46,290
Parkinson's disease linked to living near golf courses.

991
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,440
More than doubles the risk.

992
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,460
I'll just submit it.

993
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:00,760
Thank you.

994
01:26:02,570 --> 01:26:03,310
And Mr. Stockweather?

995
01:26:03,610 --> 01:26:03,910
Yes.

996
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:09,180
Comment in a question.

997
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:14,740
So we're talking about trying to be more efficient use water.

998
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:28,360
That's always a big issue using groundwater, generally it's a bad thing in this state because we have way over used groundwater in most places.

999
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:35,360
There was a great thing about cities in the United States that are sinking. Los Angeles is one of them sinking.

1000
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:41,540
Of course the San Joaquin Valley we know that some places sunk as much as five feet from using too much groundwater.

1001
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:51,880
My question is, why, since there's such a large user of water on something that is just

1002
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:58,160
pure making money, I haven't seen anything from people playing golf that travel here,

1003
01:26:58,260 --> 01:27:03,560
not that there's anything wrong with it. I guess we do get tax money. Why aren't we working

1004
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:12,000
with them, the city, OBGMA, the county, and developing a recycling plant of their water.

1005
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,580
Why shouldn't you go to Las Vegas?

1006
01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:16,780
They don't even get new water.

1007
01:27:16,940 --> 01:27:20,860
They just, all those places recycle all their water.

1008
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,140
The technology is there.

1009
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:28,320
I don't think it should be completely on the burden on the Ohio Valley in the do it all,

1010
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,600
but we should be looking at new technologies.

1011
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:38,040
So we're, you know, and my understanding is most of their water comes from Lake Asetus, directly.

1012
01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:43,520
We, the city, uses very little water from Lake Asetus, but in the past, anyway.

1013
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:53,340
Now, maybe you'll have alien correct me in all this, but I know at least one member of the old BGMA, who constantly brings this issue up to me.

1014
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:59,880
I guess he didn't bring it up on this one, but so I think that's something that not just an ordinary citizen like me,

1015
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:04,400
people who work on this feel it's something we should be addressing and should have been

1016
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:10,120
addressing for a long time. Thank you. Thank you. And just to point out we actually have two golf

1017
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:19,120
courses in our small little small little town here. So maybe our we could combine them too.

1018
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:24,980
Possibility. Mr. Montgomery anything online. Mayor we have no raised hands but we are in a

1019
01:28:24,980 --> 01:28:27,280
So we'll look here, so we'll speak to our Zoom participants.

1020
01:28:28,820 --> 01:28:35,560
Please raise your hand now for item two, last call, and we'll move on.

1021
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:37,260
Ms. Palmer, are you going to say something?

1022
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:38,320
Oh, okay.

1023
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:40,060
Any more questions?

1024
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:41,100
Come in.

1025
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:42,860
I've got to comment.

1026
01:28:44,780 --> 01:28:52,300
I recall this issue, the usage of water on golf course is coming up in one of our

1027
01:28:52,300 --> 01:29:09,660
like it's probably the last council, but you know, what I learned was that the in is actually kind of micro-managing their water usage on the golf course on a sprinkler by sprinkler basis.

1028
01:29:10,060 --> 01:29:19,360
They're collecting data about how much water they're using so that they make sure that they're not overwatering any spot.

1029
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:37,080
So, you know, what we're approving, I think is just an enhancement of their ability to understand what their irrigation does.

1030
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:47,740
I have an understanding that you cannot actually pump water out of the zone where these monitoring

1031
01:29:47,740 --> 01:29:48,560
wells are going.

1032
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:57,420
The OBGMA has passed restriction in the perched aquifer, I would assume that the significant

1033
01:29:57,420 --> 01:29:59,980
part of what's being monitored, it's going to be the...

1034
01:30:01,210 --> 01:30:02,430
Directorate for county office.

1035
01:30:02,430 --> 01:30:02,430
So,

1036
01:30:04,990 --> 01:30:11,650
the bigger issue, cover comes in front of us, is going down into the ground.

1037
01:30:12,810 --> 01:30:22,130
Water basin, but that's not being proposed at this point in time, and so I don't see a reason for

1038
01:30:22,130 --> 01:30:23,250
not a persona.

1039
01:30:23,250 --> 01:30:23,910
I'm going to give it to you.

1040
01:30:24,090 --> 01:30:29,470
And I'd like to also add that ObgMA is also looking forward to the data that is

1041
01:30:29,470 --> 01:30:33,590
collected from these monitoring wells to use for their own benefit as well.

1042
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:35,370
More widespread benefits.

1043
01:30:35,790 --> 01:30:41,370
Yeah, and I would say that any additional data that can be collected in any tools,

1044
01:30:42,150 --> 01:30:49,010
that the in is willing to put in their toolbox and use to help not only themselves,

1045
01:30:50,010 --> 01:30:52,650
but the others is a really good thing.

1046
01:30:52,830 --> 01:30:54,330
So I'm in support of this.

1047
01:30:54,430 --> 01:30:55,070
Absolutely.

1048
01:30:55,490 --> 01:30:57,270
I'd like to move that we approve the application.

1049
01:30:57,270 --> 01:31:01,830
It's okay. Anymore? Okay, Mr. Montgomery?

1050
01:31:03,770 --> 01:31:05,550
Yes, Mayor. Well, call.

1051
01:31:05,730 --> 01:31:07,990
Council member rule. Yes. Council member main.

1052
01:31:08,610 --> 01:31:12,710
Mayor Gilman. Yes. Council member Whitman. Yes. Mayor Protem Lane.

1053
01:31:12,770 --> 01:31:16,270
Yes. Motion pass. Thank you.

1054
01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:19,100
Thank you, Ms. Palmer.

1055
01:31:22,150 --> 01:31:24,890
We're on to item number three city goals and tactics.

1056
01:31:26,530 --> 01:31:27,890
Okay. Yes, Mayor.

1057
01:31:28,570 --> 01:31:30,770
This seems like you've talked about this a lot.

1058
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:31,770
You are correct.

1059
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:34,970
This is now the fourth time that we've come before you on this.

1060
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:37,070
And this might not be the last, but that's okay.

1061
01:31:37,190 --> 01:31:38,770
This is an important matter.

1062
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:42,670
As we all know, you're setting policy, citywide.

1063
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:46,590
This has implications with everything that we do.

1064
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:51,870
There are nine goals that you have come up with.

1065
01:31:52,090 --> 01:31:56,950
We're working on the tactics, which support the implementation of the goal.

1066
01:31:56,950 --> 01:32:01,650
some housekeeping matters just so everybody is literally on the same page.

1067
01:32:02,710 --> 01:32:06,810
The attachment to this agenda report that was in the packet,

1068
01:32:07,390 --> 01:32:11,370
we noticed a couple of errors in there and we've made corrections to that.

1069
01:32:11,550 --> 01:32:16,950
So what is on the diast and what is available in this room at the back of the room

1070
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:24,250
if you'd like a copy and what we have available to display online is a slightly revised version

1071
01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:31,190
that provides input on tactics that you provided at your last meeting, that's in blue font,

1072
01:32:32,170 --> 01:32:38,510
but also input received from the mayor. We're not trying to make the mayor, I mean the mayor

1073
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:46,050
is special, of course, but that's just because he got his input in on time. Not scolding anybody,

1074
01:32:46,450 --> 01:32:52,350
but that's, that's what happened. I thought my, I was in my drafts folder.

1075
01:32:54,050 --> 01:32:59,150
We understand how busy you all are, and we know that you're having this discussion tonight, so not a problem.

1076
01:32:59,230 --> 01:33:00,170
I was in the white.

1077
01:33:01,370 --> 01:33:02,850
And you're totally not a problem.

1078
01:33:02,990 --> 01:33:04,250
It is not a problem.

1079
01:33:05,190 --> 01:33:09,970
You've directed us last time to do individual votes so that we could try to speed this up.

1080
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:13,890
It was a good thought, but it just didn't really happen, but that's okay.

1081
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:14,750
Here we are tonight.

1082
01:33:15,670 --> 01:33:19,250
I would ask for your direction as to how you'd like to proceed.

1083
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:25,250
we could jump right to the last two goals, which you haven't talked about so far. That's

1084
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:32,110
the financial stability goal, pardon me, and then the communication and relations, communications

1085
01:33:32,110 --> 01:33:37,590
and relationships goal. We could do that. We could go back to goals you've already talked

1086
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:43,470
about, to talk about the tactics so far. It's really up to you how you'd like to proceed.

1087
01:33:44,630 --> 01:33:50,410
So, as I was thinking about this, just to say once more more time, we could either go to the two areas.

1088
01:33:50,570 --> 01:33:56,430
We have not gone to yet, or we can go to the two areas we have gone to and flesh them out as we did before.

1089
01:33:57,470 --> 01:33:58,330
And I'm cool either way.

1090
01:33:59,610 --> 01:34:08,230
The smallest, we had said last time on item number seven that we wanted to change climate resilience and to mitigate that direction.

1091
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:10,750
We can do that.

1092
01:34:10,750 --> 01:34:13,310
Yeah, that's all about that. Thank you. No problem.

1093
01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:20,070
I would be a proponent of taking the last two that we haven't done yet.

1094
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:21,070
That's good.

1095
01:34:23,070 --> 01:34:26,290
So Mr. Mark looks like that's okay.

1096
01:34:26,690 --> 01:34:28,930
I don't see anybody. Oh, I'm sorry. Councilor May.

1097
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:30,190
Yes, please.

1098
01:34:30,430 --> 01:34:31,710
You know, when we met.

1099
01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:36,830
It seemed like everything went smooth. We were all working together and everything.

1100
01:34:37,190 --> 01:34:40,530
Then when it came out in the packet, like I was like,

1101
01:34:40,530 --> 01:34:45,270
Oh, my gosh, who took it upon them to fill in the tactics that the council wasn't.

1102
01:34:45,290 --> 01:34:53,230
And that was Mr. Harvey and your staff did that and so then to me it was like, okay, wait, let me go through this

1103
01:34:53,230 --> 01:34:59,670
So it was pulling up the things that we discussed as a group that we like to compare with this. I met with Leslie. We spent hours

1104
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,880
Going over to find out that, like, say, with affordable housing, we have ones that were on our list that aren't here. And then order is all screwed. It's different than what we did with the work together. I personally think, you know, I'd like to work it all through. And I don't know how we do that if we call like a special meeting to dial it in. And then my other question was, you know, and I'm new. So correct me if I'm wrong. Like with goals and stuff.

1105
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:37,160
When does the budget come into play because we could have goals that we want that it's not in the budget so it's a waste of time

1106
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:44,120
Well, let's talk about that. So it's not a waste of time. So we will present to you a balanced budget.

1107
01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:49,460
It'll be structurally balanced meaning your expenditures and your revenues will be matching.

1108
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:56,640
At any time the budget's a living document. So if you make a policy decision that we need to revise the budget, that is fine.

1109
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,460
that the chairs do not stop moving once we adopted.

1110
01:36:00,220 --> 01:36:03,100
So what we would propose considering where we had it.

1111
01:36:03,180 --> 01:36:05,220
And this is normal, it often takes a long time

1112
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:07,220
to get the goals and the tactics adopted.

1113
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:08,460
It's a big deal.

1114
01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:12,240
We would propose once the chairs stop moving,

1115
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:13,980
meaning that you've agreed upon the goals

1116
01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:17,320
and the corresponding tactics, we would monetize them

1117
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,200
as best we could, for instance, this tactic to do this

1118
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,620
is going to cost $100,000, and you don't have it program.

1119
01:36:24,620 --> 01:36:30,480
So you can make policy decisions and a policy decision might be yeah, that's a one-time expenditure

1120
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:35,220
I'm comfortable pulling that from the unprogrammed reserves. That makes sense for the city or

1121
01:36:35,980 --> 01:36:40,960
No, I'd like to remove something else and put this in its place that type of thing

1122
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:48,320
I just I want to say I had the same thought and I think I'm imagining even when we get to the voting

1123
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:53,780
I was trying to say yeah, you might want all the things on the list, but we can't afford all the things on the list

1124
01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:58,220
right so when it becomes monetized I don't think that has to stop the budget when it becomes

1125
01:36:58,220 --> 01:37:02,700
monetized though then we will say it's like then the rubber hits the road and then we're

1126
01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:07,480
getting inside hey which which do we want to do now which do we want to postpone but I think

1127
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:12,200
it's obviously that has to be part of our conversation is what's again a cost and we can't do

1128
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:16,360
it we can't do it we can't do it 10 things for this amount or you know what I mean what do we

1129
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:22,380
want to do exactly I'm hearing you say something though which is you tell me from getting you right

1130
01:37:22,380 --> 01:37:29,580
you're favoring almost like a workshop that we do the whole thing on a day. That's only that.

1131
01:37:29,620 --> 01:37:33,280
That's just my thing where the focus, you know what I mean instead of, I don't know.

1132
01:37:33,340 --> 01:37:37,240
I'm up for whatever, but that's what I thought it would be nice to go because of the changes

1133
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:42,460
in what we already agreed to. But, you know, I'll just say for instance the Affordable Housing

1134
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:51,480
The goal that we had number one is not there, number three, number six, number eight.

1135
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,260
So all of those, so it's like going, you know what I'm...

1136
01:37:54,260 --> 01:37:59,920
The ones from our prior list that we kind of agreed we did about, but it's like, okay, here's where we're at.

1137
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:02,300
So let me see.

1138
01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:08,400
I do want to piggyback on what you're saying because, well, it's true that Mr. Harvey, tell me if I'm getting you wrong.

1139
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:14,820
There were, in the effort to consolidate some of the things that were very close, some things were omitted not intentionally.

1140
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:23,500
That's right. Yes, right. This part of, in addition to filling in the blanks on those goals that you did not get to and we were only doing that.

1141
01:38:23,620 --> 01:38:31,200
And you may recall this discussion last time not trying to tell you what your tactics are, but just to speed the process up if you will give you a starting point.

1142
01:38:31,420 --> 01:38:36,500
But some of the tactics when we, when we were not in the public meeting, when we were able to sit and look at them thoughtfully,

1143
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:42,580
they were either similar or they were somewhere else in another goal area because

1144
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:46,480
you have and it's that sounds totally crazy but it's true you might have something

1145
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:51,760
that was in public safety it was also an infrastructure and we just made

1146
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,380
a staff recommendation it's not the policy decision oh this probably makes more sense

1147
01:38:56,380 --> 01:39:00,280
in public safety than infrastructure but that does not have to be the way it is

1148
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,040
So just suggestions from staff, understand?

1149
01:39:03,900 --> 01:39:08,540
So I'm thinking a little bit kind of raining it in.

1150
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:13,840
I'd like to get through the goals and tactics, get to the end.

1151
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:19,580
And I think the idea of having a special session where we focus on this and we get it,

1152
01:39:19,860 --> 01:39:26,660
we have an opportunity to work together to get to as finalized a version as final ever

1153
01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:56,220
is that we walk away from and, you know, we can set two and a half hours to do that, you know, we all do our homework. I slept, you know, I hate it. It was hot. I slept. What can I say? But I think that that's a very good suggestion that we workshop this. Let's get through the last two. I would like to just, at some point, throw out a change that I'm thinking about so that the council can also,

1154
01:39:56,660 --> 01:39:59,940
consider it for a goal, but you know.

1155
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:21,160
Let's move first through the last two that we have, I think, because I've been hearing, you know, it takes a while for this to get to the public. And so the public is now feeding back, you know, suggestions, things that we did, you know, the first three goals are now coming, you know, they're now finding their form back to us. So yeah.

1156
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:30,240
Thank you. I appreciate that. You'll probably real quick get some more input on this because you may have received your Ohio outlook newsletter in your mailbox and there was an article on the goal

1157
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:38,460
So you're probably going to people talking you about that, too. Yeah, maybe this is the time for a public comment and then we'll get to seven and I mean eight and nine. That sounds reasonable

1158
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:44,720
Okay, so I'll start with Larry Steingold, Eric and Karina Wright.

1159
01:40:48,940 --> 01:40:53,100
Wonderful great tactics strategy the whole bit

1160
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:54,160
suggestions

1161
01:40:55,700 --> 01:41:03,520
Fireheartening, there is nothing here that says next agenda, next agenda, an action date.

1162
01:41:03,980 --> 01:41:07,280
That says we will have embroscreens, we will have remove these things.

1163
01:41:07,740 --> 01:41:13,480
Where is there an action date here that says by next, this has been going on since the Thompson Fire.

1164
01:41:14,440 --> 01:41:18,260
Okay, now it's been increased because of the insurance in the past two years.

1165
01:41:18,260 --> 01:41:23,900
There is nothing here. It's always an agenda item. It's press, evaluate, explore, promote,

1166
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:32,480
how about do, do something next agenda? Whether it's ember screens or remove fees for any

1167
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:40,080
fire hardening temporarily for one year, wave them or remove eucalyptus trees or Spanish

1168
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:45,040
palms but do something. Okay. Tactics for public safety.

1169
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,840
Please tell the chief Jenkins

1170
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:58,660
Steve to enforce all parking traffic regulations and bike rules effective immediately. I know

1171
01:41:58,660 --> 01:42:05,480
he has a plan, but it would be nice to start immediately on whether it's ticketing or leaving notes

1172
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:11,560
on people's cars, not to park close to a stop sign, to start out with, please don't do this,

1173
01:42:11,580 --> 01:42:19,240
please don't do that and then bring down a hammer. Financial stay a bit, financial stability.

1174
01:42:20,060 --> 01:42:27,000
There is nothing here that specifically says, do we or do we not raise the TOT to pay for

1175
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:35,180
items that we're probably going to be committing to for eternity, such as the housing.

1176
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:43,640
Just put it there so it's some sort of just raise the TOT put it on the agenda and have a conversation about it.

1177
01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:47,720
But do it now so if you have to be on the ballot, we can get it on the ballot.

1178
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,500
But let's not plan to have a conversation about it because this is all about money.

1179
01:42:52,820 --> 01:42:54,960
Because if you had plenty of money, you could do all your priorities.

1180
01:42:55,820 --> 01:43:03,340
And we should plan for the economy to tank in which case all these fixed expenses we're having, something's got a break.

1181
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:13,020
And protocols, that's coming.

1182
01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:16,060
Oh, sorry, sorry, I'm on that.

1183
01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:18,840
But please, action dates on this stuff.

1184
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,240
On fire hardening, it's all about fire hardening.

1185
01:43:21,340 --> 01:43:22,760
Insurance has gone up.

1186
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,540
We need to get this done and we've had studies

1187
01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:28,840
in if the fire counsel needs money.

1188
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,460
Just ask them how much they need to get this moving

1189
01:43:31,460 --> 01:43:32,900
since we're flush with cash.

1190
01:43:33,340 --> 01:43:33,920
Thank you.

1191
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,780
Thank you, Mr. Steingold.

1192
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,700
Eric, Carina Wright, and Bill Myley.

1193
01:43:41,810 --> 01:43:42,590
It just said Eric.

1194
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,860
Okay, Carina Wright, and Bill Myley, and Molly Yings.

1195
01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:58,580
Good evening.

1196
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,520
Thank you for this opportunity.

1197
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,140
I, like, Council Member Rule said,

1198
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,980
it is kind of hitting the public, and people are suddenly like,

1199
01:44:08,980 --> 01:44:10,020
wait, what's going on?

1200
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,680
So I just want to take a moment to give you a couple of triggers.

1201
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:20,620
I feel strongly against increased sales tax for our community.

1202
01:44:20,900 --> 01:44:22,160
I hope that doesn't go anywhere.

1203
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:23,740
And paid parking.

1204
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,900
That has been visited time and time again.

1205
01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:31,080
And I'm sure we'll figure out other ways to generate revenue.

1206
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:35,920
And this town then make it more expensive for us to live here already.

1207
01:44:36,340 --> 01:44:37,600
Given how many taxes we paid.

1208
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:38,660
Now,

1209
01:44:40,670 --> 01:44:44,730
onto this amazing goal of arts, culture and recreation funding.

1210
01:44:44,730 --> 01:44:59,970
So thank you for that. As you know, I am a arts commissioner. I'm not here in that capacity tonight, but I love seeing all of these initiatives and I really hope we can get some of them pass through. I've had the opportunity to this last couple of months.

1211
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,160
To see a lot of the programs that have come to fruition from the grants money, and it's just incredible and inspiring.

1212
01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:17,980
And how these organizations lift our community is immeasurable. So I don't want to put a number on that, but I hope that you put a big one on that.

1213
01:45:17,980 --> 01:45:32,580
And I would just say regarding all of these things, the, you know, expanding the walking tour, the round table, please can we get that joint session meeting scheduled because I'm sure you've been talking to Chair West.

1214
01:45:32,900 --> 01:45:43,600
I mean, we have our fingers on the pulse here and we have so many ideas and we do have round table discussions and we do organize these types of things and we really need that website.

1215
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,800
And just again, somebody's like,

1216
01:45:45,820 --> 01:45:49,400
why can't we have this central art calendar?

1217
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,940
So everybody knows, like, I'm doing my fundraiser,

1218
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:54,120
the first we can amay.

1219
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,160
Three other people were doing their fundraiser.

1220
01:45:56,480 --> 01:45:57,820
Like, we can do better.

1221
01:45:58,380 --> 01:46:00,580
So with the city's communication system,

1222
01:46:01,180 --> 01:46:03,580
let's all collaborate and make that happen.

1223
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:05,020
So thank you so much.

1224
01:46:05,300 --> 01:46:06,660
Thank you, Mr. Ray.

1225
01:46:07,180 --> 01:46:10,040
Bill Miley, Molly Gankser, and Jeffrey Starkweather.

1226
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:27,190
comments on five of the nine, portable housing, one, consider using housing trust funds for

1227
01:46:27,190 --> 01:46:36,810
aiding low-income homeowners of older, un-insulated houses, to insulate them, especially

1228
01:46:36,810 --> 01:46:45,390
exterior walls. Consider allocating a portion of the TOT revenues for ongoing support

1229
01:46:45,390 --> 01:46:54,390
of City Homeless Prevention and Rehab Services and Programs and on-site housing and case work.

1230
01:46:57,050 --> 01:46:57,110
2.

1231
01:46:57,550 --> 01:46:59,430
Well far safety risk mitigation.

1232
01:47:00,890 --> 01:47:03,850
Consider adding something new here.

1233
01:47:04,150 --> 01:47:12,250
Barricade gel, barricade gel, which is a product you spray on the house and also the plants in the trees,

1234
01:47:12,250 --> 01:47:22,340
Which will stop the fire from burning it up if you do it within one or two days of the wildfire item six

1235
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:27,210
The veresifying economy tourist management

1236
01:47:27,730 --> 01:47:32,510
Develop an ongoing survey of tourists for needs

1237
01:47:32,510 --> 01:47:33,670
wants

1238
01:47:33,670 --> 01:47:35,030
demographics

1239
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:42,130
Expectations and suggestion do that with a chamber in the tourist vendors

1240
01:47:42,890 --> 01:47:49,150
Use it to adjust and fine-tune, tourists, the economy goals and the tactics.

1241
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:55,870
Like, where do you come from? Have you been here before? Do you know I've been here ten times?

1242
01:47:56,710 --> 01:48:01,950
The one thing on this is that charcoal at ice cream that I used to buy down the Londoner.

1243
01:48:04,010 --> 01:48:11,270
Climate resiliency, considering creating a lower no-cost program for a house and building owners to have

1244
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:15,530
and energy audit, it didn't did in the last time, and I was disappointed.

1245
01:48:16,630 --> 01:48:24,580
SEC does that. Consider implementing the Sierra Collective idea for biobacence, the

1246
01:48:24,580 --> 01:48:33,680
collect water, and nine communication and relationships. Please consider crafting an annual report

1247
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:41,900
to the public on what the city government does for his citizens and residents. Add that to the

1248
01:48:41,900 --> 01:48:45,620
proposed already listed financial and report.

1249
01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:52,160
Please increase citizen, this will increase citizen understanding of what the government

1250
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:55,500
does, how it does it, and where the money goes.

1251
01:48:56,700 --> 01:49:04,520
And the last thing, consider changing the way in which recordings or minutes of closed sessions

1252
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:06,780
are done.

1253
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:08,500
Next item, Mr. Miley.

1254
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:09,920
Oh, sorry.

1255
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:11,740
That's okay.

1256
01:49:11,740 --> 01:49:11,760
Okay.

1257
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:13,560
I guess, oh, sorry.

1258
01:49:13,660 --> 01:49:14,760
Were you trying to Mr. Miley?

1259
01:49:15,540 --> 01:49:16,800
Would it be one of the goals here?

1260
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,560
I misunderstood that.

1261
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:20,860
A tactic under a community.

1262
01:49:20,940 --> 01:49:25,420
I wish to be a goal for communication and relationships.

1263
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:26,440
My, my fault.

1264
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:27,280
Thank you.

1265
01:49:27,380 --> 01:49:27,980
Audio recording.

1266
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:30,100
Okay.

1267
01:49:31,340 --> 01:49:31,680
All right.

1268
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:33,220
Thank you.

1269
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:35,640
Molly Gangster, Jeffrey Starkweather, and John Boid.

1270
01:49:44,140 --> 01:49:45,420
My name is Molly.

1271
01:49:45,420 --> 01:49:50,200
and I'm here representing the Humane Society of Ventura County.

1272
01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:54,280
Our shelter is just down the street on Bryant.

1273
01:49:56,340 --> 01:49:59,980
I would like to propose that the city of Ohio consider...

1274
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:09,040
Entering into a professional services agreement with us and add animal initiatives to your list of city council goals and tactics.

1275
01:50:09,940 --> 01:50:24,160
As the shelters development manager, I engage our community to raise awareness about the services our staff provides and to secure donations in grants to subsidize these services for the people and animals of Ohio.

1276
01:50:25,220 --> 01:50:30,840
The Humane Society is a compassionate care shelter and nonprofit organization.

1277
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:37,520
We perform free and low-cost, spay and neuter services four days a week and free vaccines

1278
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,020
every single Saturday.

1279
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:46,200
Additionally, we have a team of Humane officers who investigate situations of animal abuse

1280
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:51,160
and neglect and enforce anti-cruity laws in our city.

1281
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:57,580
This partnership would be invaluable in providing more of these essential services.

1282
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:03,500
Our collaboration would not only elevate our capacity, but also strengthen our relationship

1283
01:51:03,500 --> 01:51:08,900
with O.I.s carrying residents enabling us to make a tangible difference in our community.

1284
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,960
Thank you for your consideration and for everything that you guys do.

1285
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,160
Thank you.

1286
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,120
Jeffrey Starkweather, John Boetti, and Betsy Sticks.

1287
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:25,280
want to thank all the City Councilman for all the work you've done in this. And I would say

1288
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:31,500
we need to be a little bit flexible if we get too far in the weeds. I think could be a problem

1289
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:37,980
in terms of implementation. We were supposed to be reducing the number of goals. That was

1290
01:51:37,980 --> 01:51:44,400
at least one of the mayor's objectives. So this is not doing that. But I think if you're going to

1291
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:51,840
to make these things happen. You need to involve the citizens. Not just the staff. You have promoted,

1292
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:57,560
you have already have this part of the land use plan, a climate committee. It's opposed. I don't think

1293
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:04,240
it's been appointed yet. And you have a tourism economic development committee. I think you need

1294
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:10,480
something like the mayor proposed, a housing commission. And I also think with fire, we have a lot

1295
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:16,040
expert people in our town. I don't think the staff can cover everything that's going on here.

1296
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:22,560
We can't just commission it to a fire safe council. Those people could be staffed for it,

1297
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:27,340
but I think we should have a commission that starts working on these things. The ask you all

1298
01:52:27,340 --> 01:52:32,180
to figure all this out and implement it and the staff to make it all go. I think it's too much.

1299
01:52:32,180 --> 01:52:40,280
In the housing area, I would just say that we need to be looking at community land trusts.

1300
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,680
When we're talking about the idea of working with market rate development,

1301
01:52:44,980 --> 01:52:46,280
that should include nonprofit.

1302
01:52:46,940 --> 01:52:51,760
Actually, should developments mixed income developments that include both.

1303
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,460
Obviously with more affordable housing.

1304
01:52:55,220 --> 01:52:58,940
Inclusionary zoning is not of much use in all high,

1305
01:52:59,260 --> 01:53:01,060
because unless you have large scale developments,

1306
01:53:01,700 --> 01:53:08,940
That's when that applies when you have subdivisions. Otherwise, you know, we don't need a fire protection. I mentioned in the commission.

1307
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:17,660
Um, economic development. Um, someone just mentioned against charging people for parking.

1308
01:53:18,220 --> 01:53:29,480
I would say one of the best things we could do about people claim that downtown traffic would be weekend, smart meters on our parking lots and them.

1309
01:53:29,480 --> 01:53:33,760
Because those, they turn things over about 20% of our traffic

1310
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:36,060
is people looking for places to park.

1311
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:39,500
Finally, on the climate one,

1312
01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:43,500
the word should not be mitigation.

1313
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:49,320
Because mitigation means reducing greenhouse gas.

1314
01:53:49,380 --> 01:53:53,300
But if you're, I mean, adaptation means how do you adapt

1315
01:53:53,300 --> 01:53:54,260
to those changes?

1316
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:55,460
We need both.

1317
01:53:55,900 --> 01:53:58,380
So resilience is something that it covers both.

1318
01:53:58,380 --> 01:54:09,780
mitigation and adaptation or subcategories of that. Obviously, some things can do all those things and the final thing, which

1319
01:54:09,780 --> 01:54:21,320
Remind you that the best way to reduce greenhouse gas is in fail housing to reduce traffic in and out of Ohio for the 86% of our work.

1320
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:25,700
Thank you, Mr. Starkweather.

1321
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:30,460
John Boetti, Betsy Sticks and Brian Akins.

1322
01:54:32,990 --> 01:54:35,950
Good evening, Council and staff.

1323
01:54:36,450 --> 01:54:42,750
Just want to say, again, how much I appreciate your selfless support for the city.

1324
01:54:43,170 --> 01:54:46,370
It does not go unnoticed, so thank you all.

1325
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:49,970
I just want to say that I disagree with Mr. Stark weather.

1326
01:54:50,210 --> 01:54:53,750
The last thing I want to see is parking meters in Ohio.

1327
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:58,710
Let's distinguish ourselves from other communities that have done this.

1328
01:54:59,590 --> 01:54:59,970
I just...

1329
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:08,120
As Ms. Wright said, we cost enough to live here. I don't think we need to pay for parking.

1330
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:16,600
But I'm here to just speak briefly on the climate action goal.

1331
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:28,760
And I think at this time to address the issue of climate action in the same aggressive and progressive way that the city council approached several issues in the last few years.

1332
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:38,540
Some that come to mind are the greenhouse gas reduction code ordinance, the rent stabilization and tenant protection ordinance,

1333
01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:51,820
several animal rights initiatives, including an elephant protection ordinance, a ban on glue traps and an ethical breeding ordinance.

1334
01:55:52,620 --> 01:56:03,540
So let's get going immediately on a comprehensive climate ordinance that serves as a model to other communities, not only in California, but throughout the country.

1335
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:05,060
Thank you.

1336
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:06,460
Thank you, sir.

1337
01:56:07,340 --> 01:56:09,960
Betsy Sticks, Brian Ackens, and Dale Hansen.

1338
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:13,460
Thank you, Council Mayor and staff.

1339
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:17,220
My dog Harry could make it tonight, but he sends his regards to everyone.

1340
01:56:17,220 --> 01:56:23,180
And thanks you too and I just want to salute the time and thought that you have put into this goal setting.

1341
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:26,440
It's a roadmap to our future and it's really important.

1342
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:35,240
So I'm just here to reiterate the requests that I made at the last meeting that you had three animal care and inclusion initiatives to your list of goals.

1343
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:41,220
Specifically a professional services agreement with the Humane Society that Molly spoke about so eloquently.

1344
01:56:41,220 --> 01:56:48,200
are renters rights ordinance that allows renters to have animals in a quality of life for animals

1345
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:55,340
ordinance. Let's continue to be a beacon of compassion and lead by example by taking care of all beings

1346
01:56:55,340 --> 01:57:01,660
and demonstrating what a culture of care looks like. And thank you to Councilmember Role for this

1347
01:57:01,660 --> 01:57:06,280
suggestion about potentially I'm sure you're going to talk about later putting that into goal number three

1348
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,620
I think that's a great idea, enrichment.

1349
01:57:10,380 --> 01:57:12,420
Also, you could have a whole separate category

1350
01:57:12,420 --> 01:57:15,720
just about animals, just an idea, including wild animals

1351
01:57:16,420 --> 01:57:19,520
because we interact with them every single day.

1352
01:57:20,140 --> 01:57:22,900
And just a quick reminder, just while we're on the subject

1353
01:57:22,900 --> 01:57:24,880
of the Humane Society, the birthday bash is on Saturday.

1354
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,880
June 14th, it's the only fundraiser of the year.

1355
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:30,900
So please come and just wag your tails right over to the event

1356
01:57:30,900 --> 01:57:31,920
because it's going to be really fun.

1357
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:34,600
And then just in terms of the climate,

1358
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:38,440
But please make sure that the climate goals are about taking action.

1359
01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:45,000
The planet is burning up, and we all need to do everything that we can to address climate change

1360
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:46,700
and our greenhouse gas emissions.

1361
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:49,240
It's time for action, not study.

1362
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:56,400
The research is in every action that we take from getting electric appliances to line, drawing

1363
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:01,300
our clothing, to getting rid of single-use plastics, to running a bike, to eating a plant-based

1364
01:58:01,300 --> 01:58:02,900
diet, makes a difference.

1365
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:07,220
and every decision needs to be looked at through the climate lens.

1366
01:58:07,860 --> 01:58:10,360
We need to hold ourselves and each other accountable.

1367
01:58:11,140 --> 01:58:14,260
We're all in this together, sharing the same home,

1368
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:17,840
and it's time to put the pedal to the metal here for the collective good.

1369
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:21,720
This is a situation in which we do want speeding,

1370
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:23,620
and we won't get a ticket.

1371
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,980
We will, though, leave a planet for our children and their children's children

1372
01:58:28,980 --> 01:58:30,060
that is habitable.

1373
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:31,960
We cannot wait any longer.

1374
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:36,260
people visit Ohio every day looking for a sustainable and

1375
01:58:36,260 --> 01:58:40,740
seen way of living. So let's show them the way. Thank you very

1376
01:58:40,740 --> 01:58:45,320
much. Thank you, Mr. Brian Eekins and Dale Hanson.

1377
01:58:49,810 --> 01:58:50,370
Hello, everyone.

1378
01:58:51,210 --> 01:58:55,230
Multiple apps had something to name. First of all, I do want to add my

1379
01:58:55,230 --> 01:58:59,570
congratulations to all of the work that went in putting this together. It's a

1380
01:58:59,570 --> 01:59:05,610
fabulous document. That's why I asked for the big copy from Weston to go with

1381
01:59:05,610 --> 01:59:11,930
my smaller copy. Just a couple of things going through. Item 3C expand the walking tour

1382
01:59:11,930 --> 01:59:17,530
of downtown. Oh, hi. They museum currently is doing that. We'd love to be involved in

1383
01:59:17,530 --> 01:59:24,350
making that group. Same thing on item 3K. These are under arts culture. It says here

1384
01:59:24,350 --> 01:59:33,430
applicants, influencing arts culture and recreation. Yeah, we do that too. So we appreciate

1385
01:59:33,430 --> 01:59:38,130
those inclusions. Jumping over to item number nine.

1386
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:44,580
It's just to intimidate. As I said, I've been around

1387
01:59:44,580 --> 01:59:51,840
council meetings for a number of years. I lived in a book view for 44 years. I've been going to

1388
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:58,900
council meetings in Ohio for 10 years and I can tell you that there's a big difference between

1389
01:59:58,900 --> 01:59:59,980
and up to you, no hype.

1390
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,060
But I love them both and that's why I'm here regularly. I want to jump down. And the reason I mentioned that is item number 9K initiative,

1391
02:00:10,060 --> 02:00:19,160
of Valley-wide advising council. Just to point out that the community of Ohio has the Ohio Valley

1392
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:24,420
Municipal Advisory Council that they meet in our community center, the Oakview Community

1393
02:00:24,420 --> 02:00:30,380
Center, deals with everything outside the City of Ohio. Great place for people to come and

1394
02:00:30,380 --> 02:00:37,260
see what's taking place elsewhere. The other thing is we have an Oakview Advisory Commission,

1395
02:00:37,260 --> 02:00:43,820
which was put in place by Mount Lavera that just changed names last night to Oakview neighboring

1396
02:00:43,820 --> 02:00:51,020
council neighborhood council. So we learned things in there that are attributable to other

1397
02:00:51,020 --> 02:00:57,020
areas and one and have that here. We also have a certain program that's starting up on that.

1398
02:00:57,100 --> 02:01:05,160
We all hate traffic and talking about traffic. I will tell you that and we discussed this last night

1399
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:24,400
Second, at the Oakview Park and Resource Center, we'll be meeting with CalTrans from 532, I think 730 that night, so CalTrans is coming into to talk to us and to get information and put information out there in a process of taking

1400
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:27,180
I believe in information from people.

1401
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:30,260
Again, Sert, Cal Trans Traffic.

1402
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:34,300
Those things are things that we,

1403
02:01:34,660 --> 02:01:38,840
that the two organizations could get together so we're informed each other.

1404
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:41,420
Again, Cal Trans, June 2nd.

1405
02:01:41,420 --> 02:01:42,760
You're going to want to be there.

1406
02:01:43,060 --> 02:01:43,560
Thanks, bye.

1407
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:45,200
Thank you, Mr. Hakeens.

1408
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:46,220
Dale Hansen, please.

1409
02:01:50,740 --> 02:01:51,720
Thank you.

1410
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:53,240
I'm Dale Hansen.

1411
02:01:53,420 --> 02:01:54,400
I live in the city of Ohio.

1412
02:01:54,620 --> 02:01:57,520
We used to have to say that all the time, but no one says it anymore.

1413
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:04,920
Anyway, just on that offside, I hope we never put parking meters in Ohio because that would

1414
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:08,300
definitely take away from the small town look that we're trying to preserve.

1415
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:13,120
But what I'm really here to talk about tonight are the animal initiatives, and I really

1416
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:17,340
hope that we do go forward with the services agreement with the Humane Society.

1417
02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:20,720
We're so lucky to have them here in our city.

1418
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:24,560
I know they represent the county, but it's nice that they're here in Ohio.

1419
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:31,120
I also want to talk about the right for renders to have animals as a real estate agent.

1420
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:36,200
I help landlords find renters and I help renters find renting.

1421
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:42,620
I don't think it's right that we should insist that landlords accept animals, but whenever

1422
02:02:42,620 --> 02:02:50,400
I'm in the process of an application, I will always ask the landlord to please consider animals.

1423
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:51,980
You can meet the animals.

1424
02:02:51,980 --> 02:03:01,540
The same way you meet the people, you meet the animal first, and you see, you don't want to live with the animal, what's it like, and usually that works.

1425
02:03:02,100 --> 02:03:16,880
So we want to encourage them to do it. The other thing is that I don't think that they should increase the rent because of an animal, but I do think that they should have the right to increase the deposit that they hold.

1426
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:26,640
Because if the animal doesn't do any damage, then the renter gets the money back, but if the animal does do damage, the landlord should have a right to collect for that damage.

1427
02:03:27,460 --> 02:03:34,240
And that puts the landlord in the position where they really have to take care of their animal and do what they should do as a landlord.

1428
02:03:35,020 --> 02:03:42,340
So I really think that having the quality of life include the animals that we live with, and also the wild animals.

1429
02:03:42,340 --> 02:03:48,640
I think that's so important that what it says to us as a city and a community and I hope

1430
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:50,060
you will consider that in the goals.

1431
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:51,120
Thank you so much.

1432
02:03:51,460 --> 02:03:52,280
Thank you, Ms. Hampton.

1433
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:53,760
Anything online, Mr. Montgomery?

1434
02:03:54,700 --> 02:03:55,140
Yes, Mayor.

1435
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:57,080
We have one raised hand from Renee.

1436
02:03:57,820 --> 02:03:59,860
Renee, you have the ability to unmute now.

1437
02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:04,160
Good evening.

1438
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:06,720
I want to make sure my volume is up here,

1439
02:04:09,860 --> 02:04:12,860
but evening, I sent an email earlier.

1440
02:04:12,860 --> 02:04:17,440
I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak with the City Council about priorities.

1441
02:04:18,660 --> 02:04:24,180
I appreciate Kim Meng's comment about how are we going to pay for all these great ideas.

1442
02:04:25,500 --> 02:04:37,760
And I also appreciate the idea of having additional information in a workshop setting that the other council member Leslie Rule was mentioning.

1443
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:42,980
I think that the public is just now figuring out they're going to have to get engaged and I hope

1444
02:04:42,980 --> 02:04:45,240
you find ways for them to do it.

1445
02:04:45,660 --> 02:04:52,940
For example, one of the ways in terms of measure C funding that was approved for fire and

1446
02:04:52,940 --> 02:04:59,980
climate mitigation, how can we make the most of that critical funding source?

1447
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,260
To protect our community and build in resiliency. Measure C, as we know, was approved in 22, 2022. It was expected to raise about 1.3 to 1.7 million per year, but it looks like it has doubled or even tripled. And I'm really curious how much there is that has been committed of measure C funds that can be used for community.

1448
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:40,840
to build a strategic transparent and equitable approach for our community to adapt and address

1449
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:43,980
climate and fire resiliency.

1450
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:49,740
So we know we are uniquely vulnerable to wildfires, surrounded by steep hills, drive

1451
02:05:49,740 --> 02:05:57,560
vegetation, wind events, fire music mitigation priorities should focus on actions that save

1452
02:05:57,560 --> 02:05:58,500
lives and homes.

1453
02:05:58,500 --> 02:06:05,360
we all know this is a huge priority, but cost does matter, so we need to direct these programs

1454
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:12,800
where they will have the most impact, especially in neighborhoods with older housing stock and

1455
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:19,920
with residents who can't afford these upgrades on their own. So fire doesn't stop at property lines

1456
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:26,820
as we know, so we want to protect the whole valley, but we know we don't have resources to do that,

1457
02:06:26,820 --> 02:06:31,780
So we have to work together with the experts in all of these areas.

1458
02:06:33,460 --> 02:06:38,840
So again, I think these solutions must reach everyone, not just those who already have

1459
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:46,400
the means, let's ensure that renters and low income families and heat vulnerable neighborhoods

1460
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:54,380
benefit from such things as measure, see, funds, that's how we build resiliency and equity

1461
02:06:54,380 --> 02:06:55,760
of the same time.

1462
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:05,380
So I do hope you can tell us how much is in measure C reserves, what projects are in the pipeline, and who will benefit going forward.

1463
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:06,780
Thank you very much.

1464
02:07:06,780 --> 02:07:07,560
Thank you, Ms. Roth.

1465
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:08,560
Anything else?

1466
02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:11,800
May or next, we have Stephen Colome, even you have the floor.

1467
02:07:14,270 --> 02:07:14,690
Hi.

1468
02:07:15,570 --> 02:07:20,430
I submitted written comments and I don't intend to repeat any of those.

1469
02:07:20,610 --> 02:07:26,730
My focus is on on goal number seven, which I know you're not going to discuss explicitly,

1470
02:07:26,730 --> 02:07:32,630
but I do want to add some thoughts. There's a wealth of information in our approved housing

1471
02:07:32,630 --> 02:07:39,690
element and it's notable that nearly 50% of residential properties are rental and that our

1472
02:07:39,690 --> 02:07:45,790
housing stock is older and built without regard to the importance of energy costs and efficiency.

1473
02:07:46,950 --> 02:07:52,130
Therefore in our community there is considerable low-hanging fruit available to pursue

1474
02:07:52,130 --> 02:07:58,550
cost-effective energy conservation measures. The city could develop programs to assist

1475
02:07:58,550 --> 02:08:03,670
renters and landlords to reduce energy bills through cost-effective energy

1476
02:08:03,670 --> 02:08:08,670
efficiency measures. The barrier is often the capital cost that these improvements

1477
02:08:08,670 --> 02:08:14,830
and the city could investigate ways to facilitate and incentivize a conservation

1478
02:08:14,830 --> 02:08:22,510
measures. Similarly, I believe the city is enrolled with so-cal rent, a public agency based

1479
02:08:22,510 --> 02:08:28,790
in Los Angeles. Most of our city buildings are old and inefficient in the use of energy.

1480
02:08:29,850 --> 02:08:36,030
So, Cal Renn has offered without cost to the city to evaluate energy efficiency measures

1481
02:08:36,030 --> 02:08:43,410
in city, public buildings and facilities. Their consultants will conduct in-person audits

1482
02:08:43,410 --> 02:08:51,150
and make energy efficient see recommendations, a professional audit would help provide the solid

1483
02:08:51,150 --> 02:08:57,430
data that is needed to prioritize facility upgrades. So Cal Ren can also help with funding

1484
02:08:57,430 --> 02:09:05,290
and financing options. Finally, the heavy lifting has already been completed on a technical plan to

1485
02:09:05,290 --> 02:09:10,790
enhance building energy efficiency for major residential additions and renovations.

1486
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:21,870
A highly regarded energy and engineering firm is available to us without charge through a grant to insist with implementation of this program.

1487
02:09:22,930 --> 02:09:27,830
Unfortunately, that assistance is only available to us through this calendar year.

1488
02:09:28,530 --> 02:09:31,490
Time is wasting, and that ordinance should be adopted.

1489
02:09:32,170 --> 02:09:32,950
Thank you very much.

1490
02:09:34,430 --> 02:09:35,170
Thank you, Mr. Call me.

1491
02:09:35,390 --> 02:09:36,030
No more, man.

1492
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:37,070
Great.

1493
02:09:37,430 --> 02:09:44,710
Um, I want to vote for a five minute break. We've been at it for two and a half nearly two and a half hours unless you guys want to five minute break. Okay

1494
02:19:47,680 --> 02:19:59,900
That's fine. Let's do it. I do it. Me too. Do you have a Saturday? Check. Check. Oh, thank you. And we're back. So what I heard was weird.

1495
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:06,260
We're going to plan some kind of workshop to go through this but what we're going to do today is come up with tactics for eight and nine.

1496
02:20:06,260 --> 02:20:09,140
I hear that right? Great. Yes. Super.

1497
02:20:12,260 --> 02:20:13,580
We'll start with eight.

1498
02:20:20,610 --> 02:20:24,650
Okay, there he goes. So we got a spread across two.

1499
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:34,490
The one thing, well, it's funny, the thing about the paving that's kind of interesting while we learned was alternative materials are being used, which is kind of interesting.

1500
02:20:35,150 --> 02:20:41,250
And then that's not the same thing as this J, but that's one of the other items, so that's a tight already in progress.

1501
02:20:42,910 --> 02:20:50,610
And that was something that was mentioned earlier. Remember, this is not the final format that you will see once this becomes a work plan.

1502
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:59,130
It will have additional granularity, including a status column with, you know, what the overall is and then notes to explain what's going on.

1503
02:20:59,130 --> 02:21:06,670
This is just to keep it simple for right now, and because obviously you haven't adopted these, we don't want to put a status if you don't decide to do that.

1504
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:18,810
Well, I want to go further and say that there's some items under communications and relationships where when you see this publicized and you say, here's our goals once they finally get agreed upon and we see status.

1505
02:21:18,810 --> 02:21:24,210
way we're communicating to the city, what we're up to you. And I'm imagining this is on the website

1506
02:21:24,210 --> 02:21:29,010
and all that so it could be really one right and this comes back quarterly remember so it's

1507
02:21:29,010 --> 02:21:33,570
so you guys get an idea of and the community knows how we're doing or you know I've been

1508
02:21:33,570 --> 02:21:38,130
candid about this I mean some tactics may stall out and there may be a reason and everybody needs to

1509
02:21:38,130 --> 02:21:43,510
know that yeah and you may decide to add additional goal you may decide to remove a goal that's all

1510
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:50,090
within your authority, obviously, I guess I'm eager to hear if somebody has something for

1511
02:21:50,090 --> 02:21:52,350
eight that's not here that we can add.

1512
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:58,420
So I thought a lot about this one and this is a really

1513
02:21:58,420 --> 02:22:10,020
good comprehensive list of tactics, but there's one thing that I would be interested in looking at

1514
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:24,620
And that is, and I don't know exactly how to word this, but something about doing an audit to see where,

1515
02:22:24,620 --> 02:22:35,260
so Steve Columay mentioned doing an audit of our efficiency of our utilities.

1516
02:22:38,260 --> 02:22:46,400
And if we were to do an audit and find out that we would save money by go ahead.

1517
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:47,140
Yeah, go ahead.

1518
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:50,180
This has gotten lost in the shuffle a little bit.

1519
02:22:50,440 --> 02:23:00,780
But next month we're bringing back a recommended contract award from a result of an RFQ for firms that are doing a comprehensive energy efficiency effort for the city.

1520
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:01,180
Great.

1521
02:23:01,180 --> 02:23:09,520
So we're in the final stages of vetting who we think will be our recommendation going through the references, and that's coming back to you in June.

1522
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:11,660
Fantastic. Thank you.

1523
02:23:12,100 --> 02:23:19,800
That includes both replacement of outdated equipment and the buildings in general for it.

1524
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:28,760
Designed design build. It also availing the city of any grants or rebates that might be available or interactions with partner agencies.

1525
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:29,980
Great.

1526
02:23:29,980 --> 02:23:33,840
So there you go, Mr. Steingold, there's action items.

1527
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:35,740
Yes, yes, great.

1528
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:43,480
Then that takes care of that, because I think there are that would be a way that we could ensure financial

1529
02:23:43,480 --> 02:23:47,920
stability for the future and save some money in the present.

1530
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:58,340
So on ADA, this is not a change, but I think it's important that that statement that's it.

1531
02:23:58,340 --> 02:24:04,580
So I assume we're talking about existing fees, we're talking about developer fees, and

1532
02:24:04,580 --> 02:24:07,480
the insure costs are being recovered.

1533
02:24:08,180 --> 02:24:13,760
We need to make sure that this is not just, you know, the cities like administrative costs,

1534
02:24:13,780 --> 02:24:21,980
but the costs on the community if a project is going to have extensive impacts on the city

1535
02:24:21,980 --> 02:24:31,180
and our developer fees system should be recovering those so that we can mitigate those.

1536
02:24:33,790 --> 02:24:40,590
So I would just add to the cost statement, cost on community are being covered.

1537
02:24:41,370 --> 02:24:49,290
Sure, and just for clarification, what we normally do in the city world is we hire a third party that comes in and does a comprehensive deep dive.

1538
02:24:49,290 --> 02:24:53,710
takes quite a while and then they come back and then you guys decide at a policy level.

1539
02:24:54,030 --> 02:24:57,310
If you, you know, there will be some areas you do want to recover things like you're talking

1540
02:24:57,310 --> 02:24:57,510
about.

1541
02:24:57,610 --> 02:24:59,970
There will be some where you decide not to, like, recreation is...

1542
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,820
Taxi aliabash, your example, where maybe you subsidize it, because you want to encourage that.

1543
02:25:05,340 --> 02:25:09,140
But they'll tell you exactly how much you're spending and what the impact is and then you make a decision.

1544
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:19,000
And as part of that process, the council can also develop a recommendation or a plan for additional development mitigation or impact mitigation measures.

1545
02:25:20,180 --> 02:25:26,280
And then charged those back to the plan. So if you imagine, he's a classic example, to develop the Western edge,

1546
02:25:26,280 --> 02:25:28,180
In a commercial center, we would need a new bridge.

1547
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:31,520
You divide the cost to the estimate of the cost of the bridge, divided by the square footage

1548
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:35,760
of that new western commercial center, and then that becomes a new development impact fee.

1549
02:25:36,340 --> 02:25:39,420
So that process would be part of this study if the council moved forward.

1550
02:25:40,140 --> 02:25:43,880
And then I'll note that there's a whole three or four shelves of case law.

1551
02:25:44,020 --> 02:25:47,920
The requires that that math be done well and be done in a way that doesn't charge more

1552
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:50,120
than the cost of mediating the impacts.

1553
02:25:51,580 --> 02:25:55,740
You can't just impose the fee on developers just because it has any tie-back to the impacts

1554
02:25:55,740 --> 02:26:00,880
that are suffered by the city from a particular development with additional laws overlaying

1555
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:04,840
certain protective categories, like ADUs, for example, are very much protected and limited

1556
02:26:04,840 --> 02:26:07,960
and what fees we can charge on them, so we have to take that into account as well.

1557
02:26:08,220 --> 02:26:10,300
All that gets baked into the classic feast study.

1558
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:18,420
We did this last about 19, six, seven years ago, and so it's certainly a need of an update

1559
02:26:18,420 --> 02:26:19,400
if that's the council choice.

1560
02:26:23,300 --> 02:26:28,500
I got a question, I'm not quite sure I understand 8J.

1561
02:26:29,800 --> 02:26:35,380
I can tell you, it was just an idea, so it was that I was talking with Ms. Palmer a

1562
02:26:35,380 --> 02:26:41,200
little bit about this, just to explore the possibility that if you have your paving timeline

1563
02:26:41,730 --> 02:26:46,900
that you know is going to, as we've seen on the map where we have 2026, 2027, et cetera,

1564
02:26:46,900 --> 02:26:52,960
through the city. If you could save money by accelerating the timeline, you know you're going

1565
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:56,760
to get there, but if the contractor has the capacity, but you're going to spend less

1566
02:26:56,760 --> 02:27:02,060
doing it now. I'm simply, I was simply asking, is that even a possibility to research it?

1567
02:27:02,100 --> 02:27:05,740
She thought, it's possible that we can look at that, but we would have to see, because it's

1568
02:27:05,740 --> 02:27:10,080
going to cost more next year and they're just, it's really a, it's a research.

1569
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:19,820
Yeah. And I guess mine is a tangent to that. Maybe it's the same. The idea that if we accelerate

1570
02:27:19,820 --> 02:27:27,300
our paving program, are we ultimately going to save in the long run because we're going

1571
02:27:27,640 --> 02:27:37,260
to reduce our maintenance costs by getting the paving done sooner. So that I would support what

1572
02:27:37,260 --> 02:27:45,520
you said with that kind of gentle analysis well and she's she also pointed out as we

1573
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:49,420
have probably all fielded questions why isn't this street getting paid and not this

1574
02:27:49,420 --> 02:27:53,620
street and we realize oh there's a logic there that's not obvious about what gets paid

1575
02:27:53,620 --> 02:28:02,460
when but there's capacity on what the contract can do so I just ask I know lots of photographs

1576
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:03,740
Of course.

1577
02:28:03,860 --> 02:28:05,300
It's about why the ability to pay.

1578
02:28:05,480 --> 02:28:06,520
Well, I haven't.

1579
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:07,280
I haven't.

1580
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:08,540
I could show them.

1581
02:28:09,280 --> 02:28:09,640
And why?

1582
02:28:10,200 --> 02:28:13,460
And this Palmer's great explanation of that.

1583
02:28:13,860 --> 02:28:20,040
And I could, I'll just explain also on I, what I wanted to do in this budget cycle was,

1584
02:28:20,040 --> 02:28:25,360
you know, work with our chief, but also with the county and say, let's just look carefully

1585
02:28:25,360 --> 02:28:25,840
at the services.

1586
02:28:25,960 --> 02:28:28,180
Because it comes up and it's a gigantic budget item.

1587
02:28:28,180 --> 02:28:29,540
So we should be looking at that.

1588
02:28:29,540 --> 02:28:36,300
is it making sense then? I'm pleased what I'm seeing so far, very pleased to be

1589
02:28:36,300 --> 02:28:40,760
scrutinizing that. I'm really glad you brought that one up. Thank you.

1590
02:28:45,620 --> 02:28:46,320
Sure. Yeah,

1591
02:28:46,480 --> 02:28:49,020
for the last few years. Yep.

1592
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:54,960
I do like Mr. Miley's idea that comprehensive financial

1593
02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:59,380
report could also be an annual report, which would be fun. That would be good.

1594
02:29:03,740 --> 02:29:04,780
That might,

1595
02:29:06,020 --> 02:29:09,920
separate type thing that what Mr. Miley is proposing. This is more, I don't think he would

1596
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:15,040
find this one very, and he's aiming to read. It's much more of an accounting exercise.

1597
02:29:16,780 --> 02:29:23,200
It's an important thing to do, and we, and most cities do this, and we have nods.

1598
02:29:24,480 --> 02:29:29,280
But on Mr. Miley's suggestion, I would propose, if you want to do that, that'd be in

1599
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:36,700
something in number nine. Yeah, fair enough. Yep. Okay. So on number nine, before we go, can we just say, are we

1600
02:29:36,700 --> 02:29:41,080
done? Yeah, we can finish with it. Yeah, anything else? Yeah, I have a couple of things on anything. Yeah,

1601
02:29:41,080 --> 02:29:48,880
please go there. We're good. Go ahead. Okay. So I'm just wondering where we are with the budget

1602
02:29:48,880 --> 02:29:57,240
committee. So, at this point, it looks to me like, you know, we're quickly coming upon the end of

1603
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:59,980
fiscal year, and that item was pulled from...

1604
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,400
Incent and has not shown itself that.

1605
02:30:02,600 --> 02:30:09,300
Yeah, I believe it's coming back at the next meeting. I seem to recall from this Mr. Montgomery is not in his head.

1606
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:19,280
And to your point, council member, I think one of the things we've tasked the budget committee with doing is reviewing the investment policy, knowing that basically that's what they can do.

1607
02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:23,640
Right. This point, you know, we're bringing the budget the very next meeting. So it's right.

1608
02:30:23,940 --> 02:30:27,760
But going forward, you know, we'll have the committee in place and we can.

1609
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:35,120
Yeah, that's great. And so also on ATC, I have a question on the allocations of city

1610
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:41,660
cost to determine special revenues or being fully utilized. What special revenues are we talking

1611
02:30:41,660 --> 02:30:47,920
about Tier T money, or we talking about measures C money, or we talking about measure. Enterprise funds

1612
02:30:48,700 --> 02:30:56,080
and revenues like measure C, yes. Okay, so an enterprise funds meaning cemetery, what's

1613
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:56,960
or other enterprise.

1614
02:30:57,460 --> 02:30:58,420
It's Raleigh.

1615
02:30:58,780 --> 02:30:58,900
Okay.

1616
02:30:59,760 --> 02:30:59,960
Okay.

1617
02:31:00,440 --> 02:31:04,780
So, funds that come from a specific source for the main only be used for that one purpose.

1618
02:31:05,420 --> 02:31:06,820
And funds that come.

1619
02:31:07,180 --> 02:31:11,700
For measures, I see, but also for you being like grants that would come in or.

1620
02:31:11,980 --> 02:31:12,380
Right.

1621
02:31:12,580 --> 02:31:16,660
So, like, right, but this actually I think is really in Miss Billings.

1622
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:18,920
Compose this and she's not here tonight.

1623
02:31:18,940 --> 02:31:20,300
She's on a vacation.

1624
02:31:20,460 --> 02:31:24,100
But I think what really we were talking about was I was working with her.

1625
02:31:24,100 --> 02:31:28,340
we want to do a better job with what money comes in with measure C, what is it used for?

1626
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:33,740
You know, what policy decisions are available to you guys, right, this amount of money,

1627
02:31:34,020 --> 02:31:38,280
or the intended purposes that were specified by the voters. Right. And so we need to actually

1628
02:31:38,280 --> 02:31:44,680
interpret, I mean, the language is somewhat clear, but we also need to discuss what we believe falls

1629
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:51,000
under that and what we believe falls outside of that. That's right. And then how we allocate that

1630
02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:57,280
we do have a list of those things that we think are most the do fall within that. Okay that's great

1631
02:31:57,280 --> 02:32:05,500
that's what I was thinking on special revenues but I wasn't sure. For AD I and I think council member

1632
02:32:05,500 --> 02:32:11,220
Mang and I have talked about this. We want to know what properties the city owns. Sure

1633
02:32:11,220 --> 02:32:16,440
and I have a different inventory of that. Well I can provide that to you all and to the community

1634
02:32:16,440 --> 02:32:21,960
that are immediately we actually have a very nice power point that's available from community

1635
02:32:21,960 --> 02:32:26,880
development that details every single property picture and a description so that's

1636
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:30,160
available right now we can send it out to you. I think that'd be great and I think it also

1637
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:36,420
would be really wonderful to make it available to the public you know like yeah that would

1638
02:32:36,420 --> 02:32:40,800
be really cool um because I remember right that would work shop previously but there's

1639
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:44,240
no reason it shouldn't be front set on the website yeah yeah we can do that we're just even

1640
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:46,420
even some sort of notice.

1641
02:32:47,800 --> 02:32:51,660
So for AE, the grant management policy,

1642
02:32:52,660 --> 02:32:54,920
is that grants that we receive,

1643
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:57,520
or is that grants that we give, or is that both?

1644
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,180
No, that's grants we receive.

1645
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:02,440
And really, what we've found in this again

1646
02:33:02,440 --> 02:33:04,600
is we're doing a better job in our financial area

1647
02:33:04,600 --> 02:33:06,500
as we need to install some rigor

1648
02:33:06,500 --> 02:33:08,860
in there, all the grants have reporting requirements

1649
02:33:08,860 --> 02:33:12,300
and we need to make sure that there's a personal sign

1650
02:33:12,300 --> 02:33:16,860
doing that, you know, rather than just assuming that the finance department is going to somehow.

1651
02:33:17,500 --> 02:33:22,420
Right, and it also will help us decide, you know, if we want that grant and, you know,

1652
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:25,940
some of our own risks, right, some were like incredibly onerous to,

1653
02:33:25,940 --> 02:33:30,280
do we have resources than to someone stepping up to be able to manage that because that makes perfect sense.

1654
02:33:30,380 --> 02:33:35,940
Thank you. And then the other thing I kind of wanted to bring up, and this is more a budget idea,

1655
02:33:36,180 --> 02:33:40,380
but there are towns that, you know, their entire budget is interactive.

1656
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:52,340
So you can click on something and item and it will take you to a different page that has all the breakdowns and all of the information you could possibly need and so that you're not you're nodding.

1657
02:33:52,420 --> 02:33:54,120
So you're not scrolling through 90 days.

1658
02:33:54,240 --> 02:34:00,900
This is a software tool like ClearGov or OpenGov and there's a bunch of them and we could definitely that could be a tactic on here and we could put that in here.

1659
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:06,280
The nice thing about it is it allows your communities slice and dice so they can do their own reporting.

1660
02:34:06,920 --> 02:34:12,820
So ultimately it frees up your your financial team a little bit because, you know, Larry can go in and do his own

1661
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:20,780
Report, rather than asking for it. Yeah, it's very helpful. Yeah, right

1662
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:26,680
Well, that's the great thing about it because it's you know, it's all based upon information that is pulled from the database

1663
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:31,260
So the results are solid, you know, then if you do this, this is what you get. Okay, right in

1664
02:34:31,260 --> 02:34:34,280
Yeah, there's opt if there's opt itself software. That's great

1665
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:39,180
So that would be an additional item that if you wanted to add that in here.

1666
02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:43,760
That could certainly, you know, I'm just going to say something like Procure,

1667
02:34:43,820 --> 02:34:45,720
Carole, I want to help you with this one.

1668
02:34:45,900 --> 02:34:47,260
I know you're familiar with this type of software.

1669
02:34:47,880 --> 02:34:50,300
Yeah, it'd be an interactive budget reporting booth.

1670
02:34:51,320 --> 02:34:52,180
Let's say that again, a little more loud.

1671
02:34:52,260 --> 02:34:53,980
It's an interactive budget reporting booth.

1672
02:34:54,300 --> 02:34:54,320
Okay.

1673
02:34:54,920 --> 02:34:56,200
Okay, thank you.

1674
02:34:57,650 --> 02:34:58,050
That's it.

1675
02:35:01,580 --> 02:35:10,640
And when you're at your next legal account for any cities conference, I'll be like five vendors that can, I'm sure they will. Perfect. Yeah. Are they giving coffee in? Yes, right. Ice cream out.

1676
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:32,640
Okay. Yeah. And 8G Conductive Facilities Reserve Study to term and set a slide amounts for future capital improvements. Okay, that's, you know, that's a good, that's good. I think I may, that makes sense to me. So that those are, we're my only additions and clarifications. Thank you.

1677
02:35:33,660 --> 02:35:41,100
Right. So I think I've got one additional tactic. I've got some clarification on two others and that's what I'm seeing right now that I miss anything.

1678
02:35:43,940 --> 02:35:49,320
No. I'm just going to, this is a little bit tangential, but when we were talking about, I think it's very important.

1679
02:35:49,320 --> 02:35:56,160
impact fees are quantifiable in the fact that they're legislated and things like that.

1680
02:35:56,620 --> 02:36:03,080
But for me, when I hear the costs to the city, to me, it's something less quantifiable

1681
02:36:03,080 --> 02:36:05,420
that the council should be discussing.

1682
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:11,340
Like, it's like, what's the cost to the citizens who live

1683
02:36:11,340 --> 02:36:17,600
here in actually walking through the world and their daily life?

1684
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:23,760
Now, that is not for financial stability, but when I hear that term, I keep remembering people

1685
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:30,080
saying, well, what's the benefit to the community, you know, not necessarily like what are

1686
02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:32,500
the costs, but the benefits.

1687
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:39,380
So I'd like to also keep that in mind as a criteria every time we sort of make these decisions.

1688
02:36:39,580 --> 02:36:41,140
So that's the gist of the fee study.

1689
02:36:41,140 --> 02:36:46,260
If you decide on the policy level, what you want to subsidize and what you want to get

1690
02:36:46,260 --> 02:36:48,840
full cost recovery for those very reasons you to specify.

1691
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:50,080
Okay, thank you.

1692
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:50,420
Absolutely.

1693
02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:54,060
Okay, move on to nine.

1694
02:37:06,100 --> 02:37:09,700
So I have a new gold or tack the key.

1695
02:37:10,920 --> 02:37:20,140
Uh, it's not like sort of city managers, but we had a long discussion about the dressing

1696
02:37:20,140 --> 02:37:29,320
neighborhood traffic issues and complaints, and a city manager suggested that we could

1697
02:37:29,320 --> 02:37:39,240
think about having a traffic commission, whose purpose would be to hear from the community.

1698
02:37:41,300 --> 02:37:47,000
Their complaints about traffic in general or specific traffic issues.

1699
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:53,900
or they're very good ideas and their ideas about how to mitigate them and and that that would

1700
02:37:53,900 --> 02:38:02,180
then we develop a system for that to appropriate amount of that information to come on in the city.

1701
02:38:02,440 --> 02:38:06,500
Let me just jump in here. I appreciate the Councilman ring this up very much. Most cities have

1702
02:38:06,500 --> 02:38:11,240
what they call traffic safety commission and it's usually staffed on the staff level by the police

1703
02:38:11,240 --> 02:38:16,020
chief and the public works director and it is that forum for people to bring in a traffic

1704
02:38:16,020 --> 02:38:19,860
a complaint, concern, idea, and it's an appointed commission.

1705
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:22,440
So yes, most city managers would never ever

1706
02:38:22,440 --> 02:38:24,000
suggest creating an additional commission.

1707
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:25,040
I am doing that.

1708
02:38:25,620 --> 02:38:28,280
But I think what I've experienced lately, especially

1709
02:38:28,280 --> 02:38:30,800
with the additional paving that we've done,

1710
02:38:30,980 --> 02:38:33,160
is it's hit me clear as a bell, as I'm talking to neighbors

1711
02:38:33,160 --> 02:38:36,420
and on drown, neighbors on Kuyama, it's like,

1712
02:38:36,580 --> 02:38:38,100
wait, wait, wait, what's missing here?

1713
02:38:38,100 --> 02:38:41,400
Oh, we don't have a forum for them to go to,

1714
02:38:41,560 --> 02:38:45,300
or you all appoint a commissioner, and that's where it starts.

1715
02:38:45,300 --> 02:38:47,340
And then the chief of police is there, the public works

1716
02:38:47,340 --> 02:38:49,960
directors there, and they can provide their input.

1717
02:38:50,420 --> 02:38:53,280
And then the commission recommends to you all, whether

1718
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:55,720
this is something that they want you to consider or not.

1719
02:38:56,100 --> 02:38:59,400
But it kind of carves you out of it and allows for

1720
02:38:59,400 --> 02:39:01,560
the separate forum, which is usually very healthy.

1721
02:39:03,100 --> 02:39:05,100
How do you feel about that?

1722
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:12,340
So I'm for it, because what I found is not only

1723
02:39:12,340 --> 02:39:16,320
it gives the public a forum to talk about, you know,

1724
02:39:16,320 --> 02:39:21,940
there are issues but you get some really good ideas too from the neighborhood right so

1725
02:39:21,940 --> 02:39:27,160
and then it can be vetted out and then sent to you and and I like the idea does kind of wall off

1726
02:39:27,160 --> 02:39:31,760
the city council like I mean that's that's kind of nice to create that barrier or

1727
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:39,460
any ideas come out of the all all complaints should go to that commission as well so I'm for it

1728
02:39:39,460 --> 02:39:59,680
And I think sort of, I was just going to say sort of an umbudsman sort of, uh, I want to say, you know, capacity, but it allows people to come in and, you know, speak to their issues and have someone listen to the specific, you know, like.

1729
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:11,500
Round, you know, second house, off a grant, we got this problem. So I think the embudsman effect is also very, very important.

1730
02:40:13,240 --> 02:40:17,280
There's a theory and relationships that

1731
02:40:19,490 --> 02:40:24,650
people sometimes feel like they don't want to hear the complaint.

1732
02:40:26,490 --> 02:40:40,510
But it's really important to the relationship, the personality, the ability to express, so that, you know, and you're going to tell us personal.

1733
02:40:40,910 --> 02:40:42,430
So I got some poetry tonight.

1734
02:40:44,410 --> 02:40:49,030
Yeah, no, it was one of those communications was one of those units.

1735
02:40:49,670 --> 02:40:56,890
You know, to the college I did, that I didn't need, but it was actually maybe I got more value out of that than others.

1736
02:40:57,050 --> 02:40:58,890
No, that's good.

1737
02:40:59,750 --> 02:41:00,110
Oh, go ahead.

1738
02:41:00,570 --> 02:41:00,690
Please.

1739
02:41:00,870 --> 02:41:04,350
Okay, so I'm moving on to a couple of different things here.

1740
02:41:05,290 --> 02:41:08,930
First of all, I would...

1741
02:41:08,930 --> 02:41:17,790
But I think that there's some communications in terms of signage that we need to look at.

1742
02:41:18,030 --> 02:41:22,530
Number one, I think it would be helpful after we heard public comments tonight to look

1743
02:41:22,530 --> 02:41:25,950
at some kind of interactive signs or some kind of signs for the trolley.

1744
02:41:25,950 --> 02:41:27,570
The trolley stop and the bus stops.

1745
02:41:29,150 --> 02:41:36,650
And the oxnard, there have been several interactive bus signs that have gone up an oxnard

1746
02:41:36,650 --> 02:41:39,530
and they're really helpful for writers.

1747
02:41:40,930 --> 02:41:42,210
So, interactive signage,

1748
02:41:42,450 --> 02:41:44,490
and maybe even something here

1749
02:41:44,490 --> 02:41:48,650
where we have, you know, when people come into town

1750
02:41:48,650 --> 02:41:50,790
or there's an interactive sign

1751
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:52,710
that they can see like here are the attractions

1752
02:41:52,710 --> 02:41:55,870
or here is something some history about the city,

1753
02:41:56,370 --> 02:42:00,410
something like that, and then we ask type thing.

1754
02:42:00,630 --> 02:42:01,510
A kiosk, yes.

1755
02:42:02,130 --> 02:42:05,570
And then also, I would love for us to look

1756
02:42:05,570 --> 02:42:14,610
at signage in the arcade, that would keep make it so that there aren't so many A for

1757
02:42:14,610 --> 02:42:20,690
and so much boards that would really, really quick on that one. That is a current

1758
02:42:21,370 --> 02:42:24,890
code enforcement effort. Those are actually prohibited. Okay, yes.

1759
02:42:25,410 --> 02:42:28,150
We are actually right now addressing that. That was a meeting.

1760
02:42:28,690 --> 02:42:33,550
Fantastic. And they are so ago so that those are not allowed. So you want to change that law that's fine,

1761
02:42:33,550 --> 02:42:39,570
currently you can't have it. No, I, I think that's it. If we had like some kind of

1762
02:42:39,570 --> 02:42:45,470
really nice, like consistent signage all through the city parking and I know we have signage now,

1763
02:42:46,270 --> 02:42:52,370
but people aren't seeing it. And and so anyway. So to so that might be something like a way of

1764
02:42:52,370 --> 02:42:56,330
way of finding, right, a way of finding audit or a way of finding an approach. Exactly.

1765
02:42:56,450 --> 02:43:02,110
Design a way of finding a approach or something like that. Right. Right. And then the other

1766
02:43:02,110 --> 02:43:06,450
thing that I had was relationships with animals,

1767
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:12,870
and I have a couple of things that I'll

1768
02:43:12,870 --> 02:43:16,570
mention, and I know Council Member Rul has a couple of things that she wants to mention,

1769
02:43:17,350 --> 02:43:22,830
too, but I think it would be good to enter into a professional service as agreement with

1770
02:43:22,830 --> 02:43:23,950
the Humane Society,

1771
02:43:26,310 --> 02:43:31,390
and then also to consider looking at an ordinance that supports

1772
02:43:31,390 --> 02:43:36,810
renters rights to have animals in their homes. So thinking about relationships in that more

1773
02:43:36,810 --> 02:43:41,450
holistic, that it's not just about our relationships with the public, but it's also

1774
02:43:42,010 --> 02:43:47,230
what are we doing to foster a real sense of community in a sense of belonging and connection?

1775
02:43:48,310 --> 02:43:54,230
So I, and so I wanted to add those two things as well. And then I also, one other thing,

1776
02:43:54,690 --> 02:44:00,570
that is the community or the city arts calendar. The arts commission has talked about this quite a bit,

1777
02:44:00,570 --> 02:44:15,730
So having one central hub that's connected to our website, where we can have people upload their events, that's all.

1778
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:31,800
Yeah, so certainly I think the relationships with animals and nature, even on a broader, you know, to go a little bit higher,

1779
02:44:31,800 --> 02:44:38,880
up is really, really important. I'm not, I'm trying to figure out where it would best sit.

1780
02:44:39,900 --> 02:44:45,860
I don't yet know, but I certainly think the discussion around entering into the professional

1781
02:44:45,860 --> 02:44:51,940
service agreement with the Humane Society. There are certain things that, you know,

1782
02:44:51,940 --> 02:44:56,760
I think are really important that they could add, if they had some support, one of them, of course,

1783
02:44:56,760 --> 02:44:59,980
being the re-institution.

1784
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:23,880
Motion of night time drop-offs for strays. Okay, so I think that's really important, because otherwise you have to not pick it up or take it to Camerillo, take an animal to Camerillo to drop off. And, you know, the animals that you find in Ohio, they're from Ohio residents. So that's a huge benefit to the local residents.

1785
02:45:24,740 --> 02:45:32,760
So, so there are other things, you know, within the professional services agreement that we could work with the

1786
02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:33,420
humane society.

1787
02:45:33,600 --> 02:45:40,500
So, I certainly support that, and then, you know, the ordinance that supports renters rights.

1788
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:50,340
That is what I support about that is not that landlords have to take animals, but that, you know,

1789
02:45:50,340 --> 02:45:57,060
They have the right to charge security deposits that make them feel comfortable enough to take animals.

1790
02:45:57,700 --> 02:46:07,000
And also, it really irks me when landlords charge $25 to $100 more if you have a pet, which they can do.

1791
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:17,340
Perhaps that's not something that we would want to support as far as, you know,

1792
02:46:17,340 --> 02:46:21,340
what we do for rent stabilization and things like that.

1793
02:46:22,440 --> 02:46:22,520
Yeah.

1794
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:22,540
Yeah.

1795
02:46:22,760 --> 02:46:25,220
Because I was thinking about this too.

1796
02:46:25,960 --> 02:46:29,680
When I thought about what the community society and was proposing,

1797
02:46:29,940 --> 02:46:32,540
I thought about the professional services agreement,

1798
02:46:32,740 --> 02:46:35,420
or should it be possibly under public safety,

1799
02:46:35,960 --> 02:46:39,360
meaning we're engaging with them to help with the spanking and

1800
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:40,420
neudering and the drop.

1801
02:46:40,660 --> 02:46:42,080
So I was thinking about it in that category.

1802
02:46:43,020 --> 02:46:43,500
Yeah.

1803
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:46,300
And I was thinking about it in goal three

1804
02:46:46,300 --> 02:46:55,380
as sort of, you know, culture and enrichment funding as a way to sort of change the name of that

1805
02:46:55,380 --> 02:47:03,360
to allow an expansive interpretation of culture. But it's I think that would be something to be discussed

1806
02:47:03,360 --> 02:47:09,960
in the workshop, you know, and let people sort of gel with it because I certainly believe it is public

1807
02:47:09,960 --> 02:47:16,540
safety. It's also relationships for sure. No strong relationship, really.

1808
02:47:17,080 --> 02:47:23,000
So just on that topic, I'm just trying to do some housekeeping here. I've heard some ideas for tactics.

1809
02:47:23,660 --> 02:47:28,260
Do you, is it the council's expectation that perhaps we just capture all the tactics that come here?

1810
02:47:28,260 --> 02:47:31,720
And then we workshop them later rather than voting on them tonight.

1811
02:47:31,940 --> 02:47:34,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, figure out where they might get.

1812
02:47:34,780 --> 02:47:36,640
This is that sound. Okay.

1813
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:43,480
Yeah, I guess we're working on this to make sure that we can just be a list and then we can figure out

1814
02:47:43,480 --> 02:47:46,860
I think we should all agree to do our homework and not sleep through it

1815
02:47:48,100 --> 02:47:54,220
So a lot of work. Yeah, but but figure out where these might go in the ones that we do support and finally

1816
02:47:54,220 --> 02:47:55,720
I think it's also

1817
02:47:55,720 --> 02:47:57,880
You know, there's a

1818
02:47:57,880 --> 02:48:06,180
quality of life sort of resolution that might come to pass for companion animals, and part

1819
02:48:06,180 --> 02:48:12,040
of that might have to do with, you know, the humane society and our professional services agreement,

1820
02:48:12,200 --> 02:48:20,120
if we were to say that, you know, a resolution articulates the needs of a companion animal,

1821
02:48:20,180 --> 02:48:26,780
and that might be food, which they already provide, you can go to the humane society and they

1822
02:48:26,780 --> 02:48:34,760
give you a bag of food or dry your choice. They will give you litter. So provide that more

1823
02:48:34,760 --> 02:48:41,660
readily. It's mostly for the tent town, but potentially it could be for others who find themselves

1824
02:48:41,660 --> 02:48:49,300
in sort of dire needlet people know that. And finally, I think, you know, not only food and water,

1825
02:48:49,300 --> 02:49:00,180
but also, you know, a dog park where dogs can get off leash, right? Small dogs, you know,

1826
02:49:00,580 --> 02:49:07,940
that you don't feel safe letting them off leash in certain places. But I do believe dogs need

1827
02:49:07,940 --> 02:49:16,120
to be off leash, I think. So I did have, you know, dog park in the city, but I think that that might

1828
02:49:16,120 --> 02:49:24,100
fall under a quality of life resolution for our companion pets as a culture and an enrichment that we

1829
02:49:24,100 --> 02:49:30,980
value. And you mean society, you know, they have volunteers that walk dogs, potentially, you know,

1830
02:49:31,160 --> 02:49:37,980
for the elderly, who I'm sure would love to give their animals all that they possibly could.

1831
02:49:37,980 --> 02:49:39,940
I'm sorry, you might as that were going to do with your mind.

1832
02:49:40,280 --> 02:49:42,600
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm all in your life.

1833
02:49:43,480 --> 02:49:44,440
Relationship with animals.

1834
02:49:45,160 --> 02:49:45,840
Definitely on.

1835
02:49:46,380 --> 02:49:46,720
Okay.

1836
02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:50,740
Is there anything else though that you wanted to bring up?

1837
02:49:51,380 --> 02:49:51,520
Okay.

1838
02:49:59,590 --> 02:49:59,970
Do you have...

1839
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,280
For communication and relationships,

1840
02:50:05,320 --> 02:50:14,180
where we have sort of improved transparency, including close session minutes. Now, I know that we have an agenda item on that.

1841
02:50:15,640 --> 02:50:29,980
But it occurs to me that in some of these, we might start considering sort of ad hoc committees that can really delve deeply and come back to either the council or, you know, reach out.

1842
02:50:29,980 --> 02:50:40,420
with recommendations because it's difficult sometimes to delve deeply. So consider ad hoc committees

1843
02:50:41,740 --> 02:50:47,820
as more more normally than than we have. And being very cognizant that you know

1844
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:54,180
as the city manager have said, you know, ad hoc committees two people go off and they come back

1845
02:50:54,180 --> 02:50:58,100
and they got recommendations and you're like, well, where's mine? So, you know, we have to be just

1846
02:50:58,100 --> 02:51:03,260
have for number four our next discussion item because that's well I am suggesting it for that

1847
02:51:03,260 --> 02:51:08,380
okay but I'm also suggesting it more broadly that there are topics on communication where it would

1848
02:51:08,380 --> 02:51:14,880
make sense to to consider that approach. Cool.

1849
02:51:17,540 --> 02:51:22,820
Do you have anything? I've got a few comments.

1850
02:51:27,010 --> 02:51:37,910
So, 9G, that's just an idea, I know, and one of my concerns is that we would,

1851
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:42,170
it's difficult

1852
02:51:42,170 --> 02:51:49,610
for staff currently to get staff reports every two weeks, but it seems to me what happened

1853
02:51:49,610 --> 02:51:54,370
on any of these items is, because I actually acquired the staff and they would say, this is

1854
02:51:54,370 --> 02:51:58,790
you want, here's what it's going to cost, and then we'll say, oh, we want it over. We don't.

1855
02:51:58,950 --> 02:52:02,950
You see what I mean? So, I was throwing it out there as an idea, but the meetings are actually

1856
02:52:02,950 --> 02:52:11,650
going okay. I was trying to shorten the time. And we're not getting back. Yeah. So, this is a tangent

1857
02:52:11,650 --> 02:52:21,010
to that. Yeah. Which would be on tonight's close session went very well. We've had others

1858
02:52:21,010 --> 02:52:24,270
where we just couldn't get to all the topics.

1859
02:52:24,890 --> 02:52:28,110
My suggestion would be that on nights where we have closed session,

1860
02:52:30,550 --> 02:52:34,270
we start the city council meeting,

1861
02:52:35,850 --> 02:52:37,810
and we do the closed session after.

1862
02:52:38,290 --> 02:52:41,650
And then we have more flexibility to decide

1863
02:52:42,210 --> 02:52:45,810
to address everything that's on the closed session.

1864
02:52:46,670 --> 02:52:49,030
It's just a thought.

1865
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:57,610
So 9K and actually 9D,

1866
02:53:02,210 --> 02:53:04,670
I think that,

1867
02:53:06,860 --> 02:53:10,600
so we've got an issue with the Mac, operates and

1868
02:53:10,600 --> 02:53:18,880
really doesn't, yeah, Ohio is not represented on the Mac, and we also hear people say

1869
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:24,020
from the unincorporated area, we expect you to address our concerns.

1870
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:37,900
One of the, as opposed to the valley-wide advising council, maybe we should be more formalized

1871
02:53:37,900 --> 02:53:45,720
with both the school district and the Mac with the idea that we have a late liaison from

1872
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:46,580
the city council.

1873
02:53:46,580 --> 02:54:05,300
And they have one with us and that we, you know, and that we do formal reporting back on those issues when they, when the effect city.

1874
02:54:05,300 --> 02:54:12,860
I can just just an alternative to get the intention on K, for example, the simple

1875
02:54:12,860 --> 02:54:13,220
mistake.

1876
02:54:13,400 --> 02:54:17,860
Because I people who are on the market pull me a lot of those, or issues are centered around

1877
02:54:17,860 --> 02:54:18,480
land use.

1878
02:54:19,240 --> 02:54:27,900
I was, you know, we have a person that's situated that I do want to hear from both of you.

1879
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:33,080
See, it's just not in a binding way, but if, like, the way that you don't have a

1880
02:54:33,080 --> 02:54:38,160
start at traffic times. That's great feedback. He said, oh, the concerts are fine. Just don't

1881
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:42,900
start them at five o'clock. That's great. That kind of notion. Hearing from upper Ohio,

1882
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:47,300
the way to exceed the springs. And on number two, I think we're already actually beginning this

1883
02:54:47,860 --> 02:54:53,760
where we've already kind of, you guys have had in the past, but we have it now that we'll start talking

1884
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:58,280
about the pool, that's already kind of in the works that we have to go.

1885
02:54:58,740 --> 02:54:58,980
Right?

1886
02:55:01,740 --> 02:55:06,620
So, I mean, all these are, I mean, all the ones that you see in red are really just ideas to it.

1887
02:55:15,580 --> 02:55:17,880
I'm definitely interested in hearing.

1888
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:20,320
What kind of costs?

1889
02:55:22,140 --> 02:55:23,300
The mission is about to work.

1890
02:55:23,880 --> 02:55:26,240
Yeah, and this is actually your idea.

1891
02:55:27,100 --> 02:55:28,060
I heard it last year.

1892
02:55:28,500 --> 02:55:38,980
You proposed small ideas for small stipend and I thought, oh, that would be a wonderful thing that you can get somebody who maybe works evenings to say, oh, I don't have to work this evening and serve on a commission.

1893
02:55:38,980 --> 02:55:43,020
maybe you have a younger person now serving who couldn't be for it. And if it's modest,

1894
02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:45,360
think it could open it up.

1895
02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:51,840
Again, just an idea that we could look at the call.

1896
02:56:01,380 --> 02:56:01,860
Do you have a call?

1897
02:56:01,940 --> 02:56:02,920
No, no, no, no, no.

1898
02:56:05,020 --> 02:56:06,440
I just had one more.

1899
02:56:07,360 --> 02:56:08,200
No, you're still.

1900
02:56:09,440 --> 02:56:14,080
I actually liked Bill and Miley's suggestion about the annual report.

1901
02:56:16,740 --> 02:56:20,140
I mean, I know we're already doing the outlooks, but perhaps we could do one.

1902
02:56:20,140 --> 02:56:21,880
That was a good idea.

1903
02:56:21,880 --> 02:56:22,620
I like

1904
02:56:31,130 --> 02:56:31,650
that's plenty.

1905
02:56:32,530 --> 02:56:33,050
Yeah, that's plenty.

1906
02:56:33,810 --> 02:56:38,630
I do think, I mean, we've gone back to the voters a couple of times,

1907
02:56:41,090 --> 02:56:42,130
but researching

1908
02:56:42,130 --> 02:56:48,310
again, the, you know, at Measure M, at the at large voting and seeing a friend choice voting

1909
02:56:48,310 --> 02:56:57,930
has moved, if it's moved, the needle at all on, you know, district voting, I don't know.

1910
02:56:57,930 --> 02:57:06,090
This would be, this is, to me, a great example of bringing up, okay, and going to our legal staff and

1911
02:57:06,090 --> 02:57:12,770
saying spend not more than an hour or two asking, what would it cost if we wanted to enact this, what are we looking at,

1912
02:57:12,850 --> 02:57:16,810
dollar-wise? Because we, it did get approved, but that doesn't mean we should do it and say,

1913
02:57:16,930 --> 02:57:20,930
what is it going to cost and then they come back and say, here's what we found and that would be a great example to say,

1914
02:57:20,970 --> 02:57:25,890
do we want to do it or not? In other words, pursue it and maybe the answer is going to be no it will cost too much or whatever.

1915
02:57:26,550 --> 02:57:28,530
Well, it's also a legal question.

1916
02:57:29,290 --> 02:57:36,010
Yeah. Fair enough. So it's probably, it might be a 10 hour legal assignment to come back to us.

1917
02:57:36,650 --> 02:57:37,790
Does that's, do you want this?

1918
02:57:37,830 --> 02:57:38,310
So many hours.

1919
02:57:38,750 --> 02:57:41,610
Right. Well, I don't, so the hard it is.

1920
02:57:42,930 --> 02:57:45,790
The, the hard of this one is there's, there's three issues.

1921
02:57:45,910 --> 02:57:48,150
One is the cost, the county, which are just to do this.

1922
02:57:48,170 --> 02:57:48,350
Yeah.

1923
02:57:48,510 --> 02:57:51,030
We can get an estimate from the council county.

1924
02:57:51,690 --> 02:57:53,790
Is that something we're willing to pay to?

1925
02:57:53,790 --> 02:58:00,750
There are a whole bunch of legal problems with implementing it directly, which we disclosed on the staff report in the voter approval materials, and

1926
02:58:00,750 --> 02:58:08,070
We could nothing's really changed on that. The law hasn't moved forward in a way that's useful to us since we last since the voters approved this

1927
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:10,070
But we could certainly give you a

1928
02:58:11,090 --> 02:58:20,050
In an hour we could develop a cost estimate of what is it going to cost to litigate that if somebody sees us in this angle or somebody sees us in that angle and then the third issue is

1929
02:58:20,530 --> 02:58:23,730
Does it get us out of the CVA put an hour thought of that?

1930
02:58:23,790 --> 02:58:29,490
a pretty surprise estimate on county charges litigation cost litigation risk quick answer

1931
02:58:30,210 --> 02:58:33,770
and then decide if you want the defense or on litigation for all of us asking for the

1932
02:58:33,770 --> 02:58:38,990
quick answer yeah that's easy to do on quick component and then of course the complete

1933
02:58:40,210 --> 02:58:44,510
detailed comprehensive litigation risk assessment building what we did before yeah there's

1934
02:58:44,510 --> 02:58:47,970
a price drive for that is that a price type we want to pay we can include an estimate for that

1935
02:58:47,970 --> 02:58:52,130
and then the biggest component of this puzzle is one legal challenges and two

1936
02:58:52,650 --> 02:58:58,210
county will not do this cheaply and so that that cost assessment is likely to be quite

1937
02:58:58,210 --> 02:59:03,350
substantial for our preliminary word we're hearing from them and so that's the

1938
02:59:03,350 --> 02:59:08,190
other thing where you know it's a bunch of money components to decide whether

1939
02:59:08,190 --> 02:59:12,170
that's something we want to do or not. So yeah here if the council directs us sure

1940
02:59:12,170 --> 02:59:21,970
we put together that quick equipment and then that's the basis to decide is this a

1941
02:59:21,970 --> 02:59:28,030
It's trying to respond to the will of the voters even if the answer is it's not proved into do it right now if that's the answer

1942
02:59:28,030 --> 02:59:31,210
I but we were responsive to the vote

1943
02:59:31,210 --> 02:59:31,710
Right,

1944
02:59:33,860 --> 02:59:39,380
but right now we're kind of at least me I'm blind to say what's it really going to cost and what is it exposed us to?

1945
02:59:39,380 --> 02:59:43,600
That's all speculation that my part till we hear the provision is

1946
02:59:44,360 --> 02:59:45,660
Do it when it's safe?

1947
02:59:47,300 --> 02:59:52,140
Possibly so no, I mean, I think if that's actually in the length doesn't say oh

1948
02:59:52,140 --> 02:59:55,240
range to rank choice voting. It says when the council

1949
02:59:55,240 --> 02:59:59,980
wins, it's feasible. Yeah. Yeah, we use feasible as catch all for

1950
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:08,800
Both financially feasible, legally feasible, and the council decides that it's feasible. Of course. And that's, I'm glad it's there, because we can decide if it's feasible.

1951
03:00:09,660 --> 03:00:13,020
Yeah, the voters gave the council the option. And that's, I'm thankful.

1952
03:00:14,140 --> 03:00:17,300
But I would like to respond to the will of the voters. Of course, as we all think.

1953
03:00:17,340 --> 03:00:23,940
Yeah, and we should be checking in every now and again, maybe nothing, nothing, nothing changed, and we are where we are.

1954
03:00:23,940 --> 03:00:30,960
Um, um, why would it be, uh, and this is sort of tangential, but I'm just curious, why would the

1955
03:00:30,960 --> 03:00:38,200
county charges more than they would for any other, you know, it's the software issue. So the

1956
03:00:38,200 --> 03:00:43,140
county does not currently have software that runs a ranked choice voting ballot. Okay, because

1957
03:00:43,140 --> 03:00:49,420
all the ranked choice voting that happens in California is in Alameda County and in San Francisco,

1958
03:00:49,420 --> 03:00:52,780
city in county. Right. There is and maybe one other.

1959
03:00:52,780 --> 03:00:56,180
Senator Paula has has ranked choice and I think doesn't.

1960
03:00:56,340 --> 03:00:58,920
That's needs to be the county hadn't told me that they have ranked choice voting.

1961
03:00:59,420 --> 03:01:00,880
Okay. I'll double check that.

1962
03:01:01,480 --> 03:01:04,900
And I believe the more does, too.

1963
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:06,280
For council elections?

1964
03:01:07,440 --> 03:01:09,260
I mean, I've reached out.

1965
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:12,600
I know I followed Senator Paula's a couple of it.

1966
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:17,080
They have at large seats, but I don't believe that they have ranked choice voting.

1967
03:01:17,080 --> 03:01:25,060
We would double take that, but what we were hearing from the county is that we are the first one to take care of it and thus they're going to charge us the full price of that software.

1968
03:01:25,780 --> 03:01:27,060
And I could be I could be wrong.

1969
03:01:27,220 --> 03:01:30,080
I could be mistaken, but that's that was my.

1970
03:01:31,140 --> 03:01:31,800
We'll double take that.

1971
03:01:32,320 --> 03:01:34,480
So, and can't say the question comes from a rule.

1972
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:39,360
The county is told us that if we have to buy special software to run only O high elections, you're paying the full price.

1973
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:42,340
Yeah, I didn't realize it was for the software offering choice voting.

1974
03:01:42,380 --> 03:01:42,720
Yeah.

1975
03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:45,020
It was for, you know, ballot stuff.

1976
03:01:45,020 --> 03:01:49,900
And it was like, well, okay, a ballot paper is expensive, not that expensive, it's a software component.

1977
03:01:50,040 --> 03:01:52,860
But we'll double check that if I hadn't heard the Santa Paula.

1978
03:01:52,860 --> 03:01:57,100
My intention was it was only so far, Oakland San Francisco, and maybe one or two others.

1979
03:01:59,740 --> 03:02:02,400
But yeah, we'll double check that for sure.

1980
03:02:02,580 --> 03:02:11,700
And that's part of it is if we, if the council moves it forward, then yeah, we will ground truth the numbers the county is giving us to give the council a pretty good estimate of what it would cost.

1981
03:02:12,740 --> 03:02:31,760
And I do like 9-H, but I'm thinking the bi-monthly town halls to hear from the community, perhaps, you know, there's ways to think about that as one council member will host or two council members will host and on an issue that they are particularly concerned with and it just becomes sort of formalized.

1982
03:02:32,440 --> 03:02:38,680
So we're not throwing this, you know, throwing this out this town hall on this particular topic and no one really knew about it.

1983
03:02:38,680 --> 03:02:41,220
but for the bigger topics coming up,

1984
03:02:41,580 --> 03:02:46,520
we can have revolving council members take on hosting a town hall.

1985
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:50,160
I think that would be, that'd be really fun.

1986
03:02:51,320 --> 03:02:54,480
So I'm thinking, you know, we can think about the ways

1987
03:02:54,480 --> 03:02:56,160
that that might manifest itself.

1988
03:02:56,540 --> 03:02:57,700
Love it.

1989
03:02:57,700 --> 03:02:59,520
And no point of having a town hall,

1990
03:02:59,660 --> 03:03:00,720
there's not a reason, right?

1991
03:03:00,740 --> 03:03:03,540
Not just to be performative, so things that are pressing

1992
03:03:03,540 --> 03:03:06,180
and that we want to share this information about.

1993
03:03:06,180 --> 03:03:08,100
and I love the idea of multiple hosts.

1994
03:03:08,360 --> 03:03:09,520
Yeah, people are, you know,

1995
03:03:09,600 --> 03:03:10,620
come with your complaints.

1996
03:03:10,780 --> 03:03:13,920
This one is, you know, we're going to listen to them all.

1997
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:17,740
Yeah, you know, I mean, we feel like we have enough for now.

1998
03:03:18,740 --> 03:03:21,260
Yeah, I just have one more for the financial stability.

1999
03:03:21,340 --> 03:03:21,880
Yes, OK.

2000
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:26,180
And that is one cost saving measure that we might consider

2001
03:03:26,180 --> 03:03:32,020
is not having binders, but having digitizing our council materials.

2002
03:03:33,400 --> 03:03:42,120
So we have asked Mr. Haunt to look at bringing forward a proposal and Mr. Montgomery's not

2003
03:03:42,120 --> 03:03:50,300
because head on the iPads, if you will. However, dinosaurs like me will probably still

2004
03:03:50,300 --> 03:03:55,700
ask for the binder, sorry. I can't do it.

2005
03:03:55,700 --> 03:04:06,580
Okay. Sorry. From the clerksy here, we're going to have options for any opinion on that subject. So, yes, we put in a budget for a screen.

2006
03:04:06,960 --> 03:04:17,260
That's for a nice like a dice. And then there is a feature of the grandkids software where you will have access to your to your packets.

2007
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:18,880
Right. If you don't want to binder, you can stop.

2008
03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:23,340
It's just a gender management software, so you'll just be going into the agenda.

2009
03:04:23,580 --> 03:04:29,520
What it's not going to allow you to do for brown egg purposes is you can't be surfing

2010
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:33,580
the internet because we don't want you to be talking about something that nobody else knows

2011
03:04:33,580 --> 03:04:36,720
what you're talking about.

2012
03:04:38,100 --> 03:04:38,140
Yeah.

2013
03:04:38,660 --> 03:04:44,800
I think that an item to take would be scheduling a workshop day where we can work on this.

2014
03:04:47,340 --> 03:04:53,820
Yes, so what is the council's, you want, you want us to pull you for a date in June, maybe?

2015
03:04:54,380 --> 03:04:57,900
This might come raise that something you could take on to pull the council to find a date.

2016
03:04:58,120 --> 03:04:58,300
Yes.

2017
03:04:58,700 --> 03:04:59,920
I will reach out tomorrow.

2018
03:05:00,110 --> 03:05:03,130
Okay, for pulling the council.

2019
03:05:03,390 --> 03:05:07,530
And possibly a, what was today? Tuesday, Tuesday.

2020
03:05:08,070 --> 03:05:08,910
Do you want to do a Saturday?

2021
03:05:09,350 --> 03:05:11,250
We were considering a possible Saturday.

2022
03:05:11,350 --> 03:05:11,910
That's fine.

2023
03:05:12,090 --> 03:05:13,410
Just in the quick conversation.

2024
03:05:14,050 --> 03:05:16,270
Yeah, my, my, my, my was a four hour Saturday.

2025
03:05:17,050 --> 03:05:17,570
Sounds good.

2026
03:05:17,710 --> 03:05:17,730
Okay.

2027
03:05:17,730 --> 03:05:17,790
Okay.

2028
03:05:18,910 --> 03:05:21,050
Expect the communication from the clerk's office tomorrow.

2029
03:05:26,810 --> 03:05:27,150
Okay.

2030
03:05:27,330 --> 03:05:31,030
We might just, I'm already guessing you might be June July, but we'll

2031
03:05:31,030 --> 03:05:32,590
We'll find out what's available.

2032
03:05:32,850 --> 03:05:33,070
Okay.

2033
03:05:34,810 --> 03:05:35,770
Thank you.

2034
03:05:36,450 --> 03:05:36,930
Okay.

2035
03:05:37,150 --> 03:05:37,330
Great.

2036
03:05:37,430 --> 03:05:37,970
Thank you.

2037
03:05:38,290 --> 03:05:38,350
Yeah.

2038
03:05:38,610 --> 03:05:38,850
Wow.

2039
03:05:39,350 --> 03:05:39,590
Fun.

2040
03:05:40,730 --> 03:05:40,950
Okay.

2041
03:05:41,470 --> 03:05:43,350
Concept Review City Council Protocols.

2042
03:05:46,680 --> 03:05:47,780
This is a concept review.

2043
03:05:47,900 --> 03:05:48,140
Yeah.

2044
03:05:48,520 --> 03:05:51,740
So it's item for concept review City Council Protocols.

2045
03:05:52,880 --> 03:05:54,760
And this isn't that you turn to Anderson is coming in.

2046
03:05:55,320 --> 03:05:57,600
I'm going to detail, but I'll start it actually coming over.

2047
03:05:58,120 --> 03:06:00,640
So the gist of it is we had a draft.

2048
03:06:00,800 --> 03:06:01,560
It was on the agenda.

2049
03:06:02,260 --> 03:06:03,340
One or two meetings ago.

2050
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:05,800
Got a lot of comments from both the community and

2051
03:06:05,800 --> 03:06:11,920
council that made it clear that we weren't ready to finalize anything that meeting.

2052
03:06:12,040 --> 03:06:18,120
Hence it was continued. We got sort of comments coming from council members after that meeting

2053
03:06:18,120 --> 03:06:23,920
that were wildly different directions and we can't make a decision not in public. So we put it here

2054
03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:29,180
as policy choices, policy options. We asked the council for your policy direction on the policy

2055
03:06:29,180 --> 03:06:35,500
choices inherent here. Very big picture options are take no changes and we continue to

2056
03:06:35,500 --> 03:06:40,960
on the present protocols with the adjustment regarding any special meeting may only be

2057
03:06:40,960 --> 03:06:46,760
called by the mayor or three council members. We revised the protocols as desired and there's

2058
03:06:46,760 --> 03:06:52,300
a number of choices within that. Mindful of the hour and the prior commentary you certainly

2059
03:06:52,300 --> 03:06:56,060
could set an ad hoc committee to look at this and have an ad hoc committee put a parent's

2060
03:06:56,060 --> 03:07:03,120
recommendation and bring that back to council and we're open for its policy choice. We can no

2061
03:07:06,560 --> 03:07:14,620
I was waiting for the vote, and then it was like, oh, no, it didn't happen.

2062
03:07:14,860 --> 03:07:15,340
My apologies.

2063
03:07:16,440 --> 03:07:18,020
We're available for questions.

2064
03:07:18,360 --> 03:07:23,620
If you have any, I would say that there are four broad categories that we've included here.

2065
03:07:24,420 --> 03:07:27,220
So clarifying the law, special meetings is Matt mentioned.

2066
03:07:27,400 --> 03:07:32,920
We do recommend the one changed what the explicit language in the protocols of who can call

2067
03:07:32,920 --> 03:07:39,440
special meeting right now. It just references the Brown Act. The second category is when closed

2068
03:07:39,440 --> 03:07:46,040
sessions may be scheduled. So before or after council meetings right now it is flexible.

2069
03:07:47,300 --> 03:07:53,780
Whenever the council is available, so there's an option to limit it to only council days unless

2070
03:07:53,780 --> 03:08:01,020
the majority of the council directs otherwise. And then we've provided a menu of policies to enhance

2071
03:08:01,020 --> 03:08:07,780
transparency of closed sessions and then finally, whether or not to record the audio of or

2072
03:08:07,780 --> 03:08:12,780
have an audio recording of closed sessions, happy to answer any questions you may have.

2073
03:08:16,710 --> 03:08:21,090
I appreciate the options. It was interesting to think about all of the possibilities and

2074
03:08:22,250 --> 03:08:28,650
think about the goal generally. It seemed to me to be as transparent as we can be and to be as effective

2075
03:08:28,650 --> 03:08:31,690
as we can be and trying to find the right balance between

2076
03:08:34,470 --> 03:08:34,930
us.

2077
03:08:35,210 --> 03:08:37,130
OK, so I do have a question.

2078
03:08:38,910 --> 03:08:47,250
And it seems as if the requirement that a majority

2079
03:08:49,710 --> 03:08:55,330
recounts some authority is needed to set a special session

2080
03:08:55,330 --> 03:08:56,610
and a close session.

2081
03:08:57,490 --> 03:08:59,070
Yeah, the call is special meeting.

2082
03:08:59,070 --> 03:09:01,790
Okay, a call, but call special meeting,

2083
03:09:03,810 --> 03:09:30,220
you can't so buy necessity, it could never be called unless it was the end result of the city of city council meeting where they're saying, okay, we need to set at the end of some calendar set because otherwise you've got to be talking

2084
03:09:30,220 --> 03:09:37,340
amongst three council people in order to do that. Well, there is the chicken and egg problem

2085
03:09:37,340 --> 03:09:44,280
with the way that the Brown Act is written, right? One of the options in the policy is to

2086
03:09:44,720 --> 03:09:51,760
have a majority call for the meetings in open sessions, so there is transparency surrounding it.

2087
03:09:52,580 --> 03:09:59,880
You could also treat it as a motion where you know the subject of what it is and you're willing to

2088
03:10:00,720 --> 03:10:13,840
All right. So have a close session on threatened litigation regarding the subject. Do you support having the close session? Yes or no? That's the end of the information that you would receive about that subject.

2089
03:10:14,460 --> 03:10:17,680
I have a question. A close session does not require.

2090
03:10:18,020 --> 03:10:18,900
It's a special meeting.

2091
03:10:18,900 --> 03:10:22,240
So a special meeting does can be an open special meeting.

2092
03:10:22,380 --> 03:10:23,860
It doesn't have to be a closed special meeting.

2093
03:10:24,080 --> 03:10:30,660
So what is required by law is three council members of majority of the legislative body,

2094
03:10:30,940 --> 03:10:35,860
which in our cases, three council members, or the mayor to call a special,

2095
03:10:36,260 --> 03:10:38,000
but not a closed session.

2096
03:10:38,480 --> 03:10:44,080
So the closed sessions are all scheduled as special meetings because your regular meeting time

2097
03:10:44,080 --> 03:10:46,280
is 6 p.m. on Tuesday.

2098
03:10:46,280 --> 03:10:53,600
So, if you were to move your meeting time to earlier and include closed sessions, you would not need,

2099
03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:57,440
you would not need to call a special meeting.

2100
03:10:57,780 --> 03:11:01,280
We could, we could agendize it automatically as one meeting.

2101
03:11:01,820 --> 03:11:03,160
Now they're agendized separately.

2102
03:11:03,440 --> 03:11:03,620
Right.

2103
03:11:03,740 --> 03:11:09,960
Because they're agendized separately and earlier than six o'clock, it is under the law, a special meeting.

2104
03:11:10,000 --> 03:11:10,180
Right.

2105
03:11:10,280 --> 03:11:14,060
Because it's not at the same time as our regular meeting.

2106
03:11:14,060 --> 03:11:27,760
So it doesn't, it's not that the closed session requires that it's if the closed session is not during a regular meeting, then it is required because then it becomes a special session.

2107
03:11:27,780 --> 03:11:31,700
Correct. Okay. The way things are set up right now is automatically special.

2108
03:11:32,400 --> 03:11:32,940
Right. Exactly.

2109
03:11:32,960 --> 03:11:35,120
But you could change the way that that's structured.

2110
03:11:35,780 --> 03:11:35,940
Right.

2111
03:11:35,940 --> 03:11:46,420
I would recommend changing your meeting time to allow for that time, just I mean, it's already late in the evening and just to put one for the point on that.

2112
03:11:46,700 --> 03:11:59,660
If under the present system, present protocols, two council members and only two wish to call us close session, they could make that request as an agenda item on a regular meeting, which means six o'clock or later.

2113
03:11:59,660 --> 03:12:05,800
But I will note that if two and only two wished that close session to occur, say on, you know,

2114
03:12:05,900 --> 03:12:11,700
threat of litigation, we look for it. And the three opposed, they simply do not approve that agenda,

2115
03:12:12,040 --> 03:12:16,620
to approve of the agenda and the close session disappears. So in the end, there's always must be three

2116
03:12:16,620 --> 03:12:20,100
votes for every close session because the three must approve the agenda.

2117
03:12:20,100 --> 03:12:36,120
Right. And that cuts off some of the, I mean, it puts more transparency. Yeah, it puts more transparency to it because that is actually done in open session correct.

2118
03:12:36,140 --> 03:12:38,800
Yes. So, so it would need because.

2119
03:12:39,720 --> 03:12:42,240
Okay. So, yeah, I understand that.

2120
03:12:42,240 --> 03:12:47,360
And part of the this is we flipped back and forth over the years with having close sessions before or after the meeting.

2121
03:12:47,820 --> 03:12:50,060
It never mattered unless we were fighting about it.

2122
03:12:51,100 --> 03:12:54,240
But the before the meeting is as noted as a special meeting.

2123
03:12:54,680 --> 03:12:57,020
Right after the meeting is just a continuation of the regular meeting.

2124
03:12:57,060 --> 03:13:02,580
Right, we could as was discussed earlier redefine regular meeting because we control what is a regular meeting.

2125
03:13:02,920 --> 03:13:08,060
We, the council defined that as regular meeting is a five of close session or six of no close session.

2126
03:13:08,060 --> 03:13:15,800
And then close sessions on that day would be a regular close session. Right, and then the counselor couldn't allow to or require three as decided

2127
03:13:15,800 --> 03:13:23,860
Okay, and then always the mayor can call a special meeting. Right got it. I think the main concern I thought we were trying to address with this was

2128
03:13:23,860 --> 03:13:34,540
Calling a special meeting close or not by two council members on a non-toothed day. Right. That's what we're trying to adopt this part of the rest well. Yeah, but

2129
03:13:34,540 --> 03:13:42,640
It dealt deeper because of the need to have a close session be a special meeting if you didn't have it already in regular time.

2130
03:13:42,860 --> 03:13:47,260
So that's what I mean about, you know, the more you dig, it's a little bit deeper.

2131
03:13:48,300 --> 03:13:55,420
And, you know, we can we can talk more about this, but I also think it's very important that who's calling the special meeting.

2132
03:13:55,420 --> 03:14:01,840
like we have never known for the time that I've started till recently, we've never known

2133
03:14:01,840 --> 03:14:07,820
who called a special meeting or who called a close session. That's never been notified

2134
03:14:07,820 --> 03:14:15,080
not for the council or for the public, right? It's always been this mystery. So I think,

2135
03:14:15,160 --> 03:14:19,140
you know, it's Tuesdays on the regular Tuesdays. You mean, yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, you know,

2136
03:14:19,140 --> 03:14:24,320
you're right. The agenda does not say who is who is the member or members that have all

2137
03:14:24,320 --> 03:14:28,100
that could be something that you had it as a transparency measure.

2138
03:14:28,820 --> 03:14:30,300
I think it's very important.

2139
03:14:31,420 --> 03:14:34,680
You know, I think people need to take ownership of the meetings that they're calling

2140
03:14:34,680 --> 03:14:41,640
and why they should be able to speak to why they feel it's necessary to do that.

2141
03:14:43,400 --> 03:14:47,560
And I think I asked it when meeting called this because I never know.

2142
03:14:47,840 --> 03:14:48,960
I never know who called it.

2143
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:59,800
There's a kind of a defacto thing which is I look at Mr. Montgomery's working agenda and there have been times in meetings where I'll say, oh, this seems premature or let's move it back and then that changes there.

2144
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,860
So I'm taking that preliminary work that then manifest into the agenda as their soliciting feedback

2145
03:15:07,860 --> 03:15:13,420
for me before it goes there, not Friday night or prior to it.

2146
03:15:13,420 --> 03:15:15,860
That's as the chair of the commission, right?

2147
03:15:16,180 --> 03:15:19,180
I should, I mean, the council, right, and the presiding officer.

2148
03:15:19,400 --> 03:15:20,700
Yeah, that's correct.

2149
03:15:20,940 --> 03:15:21,100
Right.

2150
03:15:21,880 --> 03:15:23,300
But it doesn't have my name on it.

2151
03:15:23,300 --> 03:15:24,460
Right, it doesn't have your name on it.

2152
03:15:24,540 --> 03:15:26,300
We don't know that you've made that adjustments.

2153
03:15:27,720 --> 03:15:28,520
It's a mystery.

2154
03:15:28,520 --> 03:15:35,520
Well, and I hope, you know, my interest is actually not to do that. I'm basically going off the work in a general almost

2155
03:15:36,440 --> 03:15:40,860
For beta, exactly in that way is not bringing up your things, because I do want support.

2156
03:15:41,360 --> 03:15:50,420
Right. No, and I totally understand that. And to me, working agenda is it's a living documents or things come in they go, but I never know why they come where they go.

2157
03:15:50,800 --> 03:15:55,800
So the other thing too is if you change the structure of what is a regular meeting

2158
03:15:55,800 --> 03:16:02,180
you it would there wouldn't be the need for that right items would just come and go

2159
03:16:02,180 --> 03:16:08,480
onto the agenda for closed session or regular session the only time that we would have the issue

2160
03:16:08,480 --> 03:16:15,500
of who is calling the meeting is if it would be off schedule from from any from what is it the

2161
03:16:15,500 --> 03:16:21,480
second and fourth Tuesday right so but but even so I still want to know who's calling a special

2162
03:16:21,480 --> 03:16:23,380
who's calling a closed session.

2163
03:16:24,540 --> 03:16:30,100
So my understanding, you know, functionally is

2164
03:16:30,100 --> 03:16:32,600
of the city attorney as the only one who's saying

2165
03:16:32,600 --> 03:16:34,540
whether there was a closed session.

2166
03:16:35,060 --> 03:16:38,160
And that's dependent on the contact, the content

2167
03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:40,640
of what's going to be discussed.

2168
03:16:40,840 --> 03:16:43,660
If you're going to, there's a very general proposition.

2169
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:47,000
You're going to receive information about, you know,

2170
03:16:47,140 --> 03:16:51,100
legal opinions that relate to the,

2171
03:16:51,100 --> 03:16:55,560
types of legal opinions that are in the Brown Act as a

2172
03:16:55,560 --> 03:16:58,740
possession. The city attorney makes that decision

2173
03:17:00,080 --> 03:17:07,060
and a personnel issue as well, but it's a city attorney is deciding this is a closed session item or not.

2174
03:17:07,580 --> 03:17:11,680
So we're able to be able to be able to. It's a recommendation. I don't have the power to do it all

2175
03:17:11,680 --> 03:17:17,880
by myself of course. Well, I hear what you're saying, the council member of the city attorney is the one

2176
03:17:17,880 --> 03:17:23,900
who's vetting whether or not it can be in closed session and the agenda description of

2177
03:17:23,900 --> 03:17:32,270
whatever the proposed item is. So my thought is that our protocol should be that the mayor

2178
03:17:32,270 --> 03:17:40,890
himself can put a matter on the agenda and that two council people can put something on the agenda.

2179
03:17:42,250 --> 03:17:48,070
But whether it goes to close session, I mean I'm fine with a protocol that says a city council member

2180
03:17:48,070 --> 03:17:53,590
cannot dictate whether something's going to close session or not.

2181
03:17:53,850 --> 03:18:01,110
That should be a decision made by our attorney and what we talk about in that session

2182
03:18:01,110 --> 03:18:07,070
and whether it goes beyond should be something that the attorney manages and

2183
03:18:07,070 --> 03:18:12,270
you know, officiates that we don't go beyond what the notice.

2184
03:18:12,270 --> 03:18:15,710
But he's saying himself, he can't decide, say he can recommend.

2185
03:18:16,010 --> 03:18:18,210
I do think that you're making an ex.

2186
03:18:18,270 --> 03:18:20,310
I do think you're making an ex-lampoint though.

2187
03:18:20,730 --> 03:18:23,090
So this idea of shifting to a model

2188
03:18:23,090 --> 03:18:25,250
where co-session is a regular meeting,

2189
03:18:25,790 --> 03:18:29,130
we could shift to a model if that's now not a special meeting.

2190
03:18:29,550 --> 03:18:32,570
Two council members could request items be added

2191
03:18:33,190 --> 03:18:36,470
to a co-session agenda if we shifted to a model

2192
03:18:36,470 --> 03:18:38,590
where a co-session is a regular meeting

2193
03:18:38,590 --> 03:18:39,950
that we cancel or not.

2194
03:18:39,950 --> 03:19:04,290
And I mean, you can always, you know, the two council members make, you know, make the request the city attorney weighs in on whether or not that request fits under the exemptions and then the city attorney I believe should have to come back to the council and defend that decision as to whether or not it is.

2195
03:19:04,290 --> 03:19:11,250
So the city council can actually, without going into close, I mean, it's tricky to go into close

2196
03:19:11,250 --> 03:19:20,510
session, but the city council, I think, should have an opportunity at every close session

2197
03:19:20,510 --> 03:19:30,330
to evaluate whether or not this meets the threshold for what we want to do as transparency,

2198
03:19:30,330 --> 03:19:40,630
not for, you know, I just want the final, the final, the final, that's inherent in the

2199
03:19:40,630 --> 03:19:47,550
council of approval of the agenda. But it isn't, it isn't because we have to actually

2200
03:19:47,550 --> 03:19:55,890
discuss it. Like when we see that, we don't know one way or the other how this decision was made,

2201
03:19:55,890 --> 03:19:59,970
whether or not indeed, I mean, you know, we need more...

2202
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:12,460
Or information than just to say, well, we approved it, so yeah, we knew what we were doing. Because honestly, there have been instances where we have approved closed sessions and we did not know what we were doing.

2203
03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:15,040
We didn't know what we were doing.

2204
03:20:15,520 --> 03:20:24,600
You're saying, if I hear you right, we can't decide whether this is closed session where the until we go into the closed session. Here's some of the details of that.

2205
03:20:24,600 --> 03:20:30,040
creative of a challenge. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, and I would like it to be an overt

2206
03:20:31,360 --> 03:20:38,680
discussion on on on each time we vote whether or not this is close session. Um, worthy.

2207
03:20:39,220 --> 03:20:47,600
So that's tricky. So it is very tricky. Um, and I'm actively thinking on how to get to a space

2208
03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:53,020
where we can accomplish what you're talking about. I think it goes back to the chicken and the egg

2209
03:20:53,020 --> 03:21:02,040
problem with close session of there are things and threats and personal issues right that we would

2210
03:21:02,040 --> 03:21:09,220
would not want to have in an open session. I think I wonder if there's space to have a process

2211
03:21:09,220 --> 03:21:14,940
where there's a preliminary, I mean it would make close session a lot longer right a preliminary

2212
03:21:14,940 --> 03:21:20,960
discussion before the agenda is approved. Well, what I'm not actually even talking about having to

2213
03:21:20,960 --> 03:21:23,700
have an open session where this discussion happens.

2214
03:21:24,100 --> 03:21:28,280
What I'm trying to do is put up a barrier

2215
03:21:28,280 --> 03:21:32,060
that we need to agree to jump over.

2216
03:21:32,120 --> 03:21:33,600
And that can be in closed session.

2217
03:21:33,860 --> 03:21:35,800
Well, I think you could have a briefing.

2218
03:21:35,920 --> 03:21:36,780
Let me see if I have a question.

2219
03:21:36,920 --> 03:21:37,920
So I have a question.

2220
03:21:38,660 --> 03:21:43,820
So we all meet with the City Manager sometimes

2221
03:21:43,820 --> 03:21:49,280
the City Attorney before meetings to go over the topics

2222
03:21:49,280 --> 03:21:57,460
that we're talking about. I mean, wouldn't this fit into that? Like, couldn't you talk to

2223
03:21:57,460 --> 03:22:01,180
our city, or couldn't any one of us talk to our city manager or city attorney and say,

2224
03:22:01,220 --> 03:22:06,800
what is this really about? And without giving any kind of policy directives, we could get the

2225
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:13,320
information in the facts. And then come that cup, make that, make that announcement when we talk

2226
03:22:13,320 --> 03:22:18,360
about approving the agenda. And then you could choose to approve the agenda. We could also get

2227
03:22:18,360 --> 03:22:25,760
have it of any time there's a closed session. I'm happy or Matt's happy to brief all of you on what

2228
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:30,260
we're going into closed session and give you that transparency and information ahead of time.

2229
03:22:31,720 --> 03:22:36,700
You know, usually we don't have, sometimes there's emergency ones that get thrown on the last minute,

2230
03:22:36,740 --> 03:22:41,960
but there's usually enough space and time. It's not a problem to call each of you and talk you through

2231
03:22:41,960 --> 03:22:46,360
what's happening and to make you feel comfortable of why we're going into...

2232
03:22:46,360 --> 03:22:48,080
Isn't that a very bad idea?

2233
03:22:48,940 --> 03:22:51,240
No. No, it isn't. Hold on. Hold on.

2234
03:22:51,260 --> 03:22:52,060
Mr. Stark with it.

2235
03:22:52,060 --> 03:23:04,000
If it is an informational session where you are receiving information in a briefing, and there is not an exchange of information to come to a consensus about what the issue is.

2236
03:23:04,260 --> 03:23:06,100
That is acceptable under the Brown Act.

2237
03:23:06,420 --> 03:23:11,240
If I turn to each of you and is like, we're going into closed session today.

2238
03:23:11,640 --> 03:23:12,320
What you're about going to be?

2239
03:23:12,320 --> 03:23:15,520
And really would appreciate your support.

2240
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:18,220
And I go to each of you, and I do that.

2241
03:23:18,540 --> 03:23:21,180
Or I leverage the votes that I know

2242
03:23:21,180 --> 03:23:22,600
were coming from each of you.

2243
03:23:22,600 --> 03:23:24,000
That is a brown act violation.

2244
03:23:24,600 --> 03:23:27,100
The exchange of information in and of itself

2245
03:23:27,100 --> 03:23:28,580
is completely acceptable.

2246
03:23:28,800 --> 03:23:30,980
It's something the city manager does all the time.

2247
03:23:31,280 --> 03:23:35,100
We do it with you less frequent basis, fortunately,

2248
03:23:35,680 --> 03:23:36,280
than I write.

2249
03:23:36,700 --> 03:23:39,520
But it is something that we are absolutely able to do.

2250
03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:45,580
So then I could add one more point that is two points actually that's under the Roberts

2251
03:23:45,580 --> 03:23:51,680
First of the Palmdale case it's an oral memo we can send a confidential memo to the council five copies of the same memo

2252
03:23:51,680 --> 03:24:00,520
We can do the same thing or lead five copies of the same memo the second piece on this point is if there's a close session where the council is split on whether the

2253
03:24:00,520 --> 03:24:07,780
The matter is a lawful close session or if the council or some portions of the council and myself or city attorney or anybody

2254
03:24:07,780 --> 03:24:09,380
If we're not all in agreement

2255
03:24:10,000 --> 03:24:17,600
Then we can but there is a majority that approves the agenda based on the information provided on the agenda and the discussion that happens is the colloquial open session

2256
03:24:17,600 --> 03:24:19,260
But let's say for example

2257
03:24:19,820 --> 03:24:21,520
We approve the

2258
03:24:22,240 --> 03:24:23,700
The close session to see the cry and

2259
03:24:24,420 --> 03:24:24,900
And

2260
03:24:24,900 --> 03:24:26,620
Then we get into close session, right?

2261
03:24:26,620 --> 03:24:29,460
So a majority probably divided vote, three, two, four, one.

2262
03:24:29,560 --> 03:24:31,440
But still three majority, right, majority controls.

2263
03:24:31,880 --> 03:24:32,760
We walk into close session.

2264
03:24:33,260 --> 03:24:35,460
We could then on those votes have a discussion.

2265
03:24:35,620 --> 03:24:37,760
Here's why in with more information than in public,

2266
03:24:38,160 --> 03:24:39,820
here's why we think this is a lawful close session.

2267
03:24:40,400 --> 03:24:42,280
And then the council could re-vote at that moment

2268
03:24:42,720 --> 03:24:44,100
if it's something flips.

2269
03:24:44,440 --> 03:24:46,240
I disagree, this is not a lawful close session.

2270
03:24:46,840 --> 03:24:47,940
Then great, three votes.

2271
03:24:48,020 --> 03:24:48,740
That way, then we're out.

2272
03:24:48,820 --> 03:24:49,600
We leave and we're done.

2273
03:24:49,740 --> 03:24:50,900
And explain what happened to the public.

2274
03:24:51,360 --> 03:24:53,460
And all in note, if there is still a council member

2275
03:24:53,460 --> 03:24:55,660
who disagrees with the majority decision at that point,

2276
03:24:55,660 --> 03:24:58,600
There are other remedies on the Brown Act, but they may choose at that point.

2277
03:24:58,900 --> 03:24:59,900
So that's the, we could institute.

2278
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:11,860
That on the closed sessions, and we know which ones it typically will be, where there's that conversation. That could be done as well under existing law, when we get into the room, because as noted, it's tough to.

2279
03:25:11,880 --> 03:25:24,020
The whole point of closed sessions that were allowed to keep certain information within the council, only to protect the city's position to put everything on the table in order to decide whether or not to protect the city's position defeats the point.

2280
03:25:24,020 --> 03:25:29,840
But that's the way that would seem to meet this need, especially on the ones where this were fighting among ourselves.

2281
03:25:30,060 --> 03:25:45,940
Got it. So on that point, since council member role seems open to the idea that we would have a pre-lim to the closed session that is is this.

2282
03:25:45,940 --> 03:25:50,200
I mean, the legal quality, you know, do we support that it meets the quality?

2283
03:25:50,900 --> 03:25:57,400
I assume we're going to have the opinion from the city attorney that it does, but because

2284
03:25:57,400 --> 03:26:04,900
I'm concerned that the more detail that happens in that preliminary conversation with each

2285
03:26:04,900 --> 03:26:08,380
of us creates it out, it's own risk.

2286
03:26:08,640 --> 03:26:15,740
So I would like to see as, I like the idea of a briefing, but I think we should be very cautious

2287
03:26:16,640 --> 03:26:23,920
about how much goes into that and it would be. Once you start talking about why you're

2288
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:30,820
going into close session, how are you parsing out that you're not? I think it's fine to

2289
03:26:30,820 --> 03:26:35,760
be deliberative. I mean, I, no, I think we need to be deliberative as a council and that

2290
03:26:35,760 --> 03:26:41,680
can happen in close session, but it's not only can we legally do this, but is this

2291
03:26:41,680 --> 03:26:50,520
necessary. Like, it's not just can we legally do this, but do we believe that the going into

2292
03:26:50,520 --> 03:26:56,760
close session balances out the lack of transparency that will inevitably occur because

2293
03:26:56,760 --> 03:27:01,740
of that? And it may be that we don't think so. And you know, we can take the advice from

2294
03:27:01,740 --> 03:27:07,960
the attorney, but we can also deliberate among ourselves as to whether or not this warrants

2295
03:27:07,960 --> 03:27:18,140
level of lack of transparency. It may be that it does. It may be that it doesn't. I don't have a problem deliberating about it.

2296
03:27:18,280 --> 03:27:24,000
But I would like it to be on the agenda. Yeah, I would like it to be a normal thing that we do.

2297
03:27:24,020 --> 03:27:35,400
And it can be just simply yeah, this is litigation we're all in. Or it could be this is, you know, this is litigation, but it doesn't need to be in close session.

2298
03:27:35,400 --> 03:27:50,780
You know, and that's just one aspect of more transparency we've talked about the ability to, you know, the ability to report out more than than is legally required because there's no reason not to.

2299
03:27:51,000 --> 03:27:52,240
It's not going to do anything for us.

2300
03:27:52,520 --> 03:27:53,220
Let me just if I can.

2301
03:27:53,520 --> 03:27:59,380
I think having a part of every close session in the beginning as a check in to say, you know,

2302
03:27:59,380 --> 03:28:07,100
doesn't meet the barrier. And secondly, do we think it's prudent? I think that's a completely great thing to be asked at the beginning of each.

2303
03:28:07,180 --> 03:28:14,160
Yeah. I think it's, yeah. Yeah. I hate to do this. We should maybe do public comment because we are a

2304
03:28:14,160 --> 03:28:20,020
trashed public comment. This is so good. But we're, yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I'm so sorry.

2305
03:28:21,060 --> 03:28:25,120
No, that's good. Let's do. Larry Stangold, Bill Miley, and Jeffrey Starkweather.

2306
03:28:31,230 --> 03:28:34,990
Good evening. Thank you for the

2307
03:28:34,990 --> 03:28:45,730
would hope that you do audio recording of the closed session, so that everyone can stay within

2308
03:28:45,730 --> 03:28:54,610
the agenda and not be concerned about them going outside the agenda, even I who tend sometimes

2309
03:28:54,610 --> 03:29:02,490
to use a shotgun instead of a stock shooting rifle would stay within the lines if I'm told that

2310
03:29:02,490 --> 03:29:09,430
you can talk about is the agenda? If you can't stay within the agenda, then you have no business

2311
03:29:09,430 --> 03:29:14,930
doing what you're doing. I mean, you represent us, you represent each other, you represent

2312
03:29:14,930 --> 03:29:22,310
the city, the staff too. If a staff can't stay within the agenda, I'm sorry, then you shouldn't

2313
03:29:22,310 --> 03:29:28,790
be talking. If you have an opinion that shouldn't be said, you're supposed to stay on the agenda.

2314
03:29:28,790 --> 03:29:30,530
Audio record

2315
03:29:30,530 --> 03:29:36,330
There's divisiveness and the cost and the expense that not doing this has cost us

2316
03:29:36,330 --> 03:29:41,190
I can't imagine how much money it's cost probably a million dollars. Maybe more. I don't know

2317
03:29:41,190 --> 03:29:47,790
But everybody is concerned that things shouldn't be said don't be said people call people names

2318
03:29:47,790 --> 03:29:53,970
Whatever it is it doesn't matter. That's not on the agenda stay within the agenda. Just make it easy

2319
03:29:53,970 --> 03:29:57,590
the Sunshine Act in San Francisco.

2320
03:29:58,370 --> 03:29:59,250
They do it.

2321
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:28,520
And that's supposed to be crazy town in San Francisco. Okay, but they record. Why is it so difficult? They do it. So why can't we do it? Do it as a test? Do it for a year? Have it, have it sunset? Have it reduxed? It's a protocol. Unless you make an ordinance, it's all it is. It can be changed every, every year, every other year, every month, whatever. Protocols change. So please record.

2322
03:30:29,700 --> 03:30:31,780
Thank you, Mr. Tengold. Bill Myley.

2323
03:30:38,860 --> 03:30:41,520
I have checked the Larry's command about San Francisco.

2324
03:30:42,240 --> 03:30:44,200
I was born in San Francisco.

2325
03:30:48,000 --> 03:30:51,040
Okay, the only comment I want to make about protocols

2326
03:30:51,040 --> 03:30:54,520
is the one that has to do with closed sessions

2327
03:30:54,520 --> 03:30:57,580
as they recorded, reported and stored.

2328
03:30:59,770 --> 03:31:03,690
And important in setting a theme for values and mission statements

2329
03:31:04,770 --> 03:31:08,590
is reviewing the closed paragraph, closing paragraph

2330
03:31:08,590 --> 03:31:18,810
of a task of an A, the Iowa City Council Protocol of 518, 2021, which was in the report,

2331
03:31:19,170 --> 03:31:20,530
page 30 of 32.

2332
03:31:22,590 --> 03:31:32,570
And my focus are two phrases, quote, best served the public and quote, and effectively

2333
03:31:32,570 --> 03:31:39,990
serve the people of Ohio. And this is the quote in closing as stated at the beginning

2334
03:31:39,990 --> 03:31:45,130
of this document. These protocols establish policies and provisions to help the Council

2335
03:31:45,130 --> 03:31:51,530
conduct its business and best serve the public. This is a living document. Should the needs

2336
03:31:51,530 --> 03:31:57,630
of the Council change, it should not hesitate to update the protocols. So the right tools are always

2337
03:31:57,630 --> 03:32:05,110
at hand for the council to guide the city and effectively serve the people of the Ohio.

2338
03:32:06,270 --> 03:32:12,330
So I choose to choose to judge the two forms for closed sessions recording as less

2339
03:32:12,330 --> 03:32:12,990
than adequate.

2340
03:32:13,790 --> 03:32:19,930
The past public issues have been which have been exposed from closed sessions in my opinion

2341
03:32:19,930 --> 03:32:26,620
of shown down and they violated the Brown Act on a make sure I get it here.

2342
03:32:26,620 --> 03:32:30,320
Okay. And so, what was the evidence?

2343
03:32:31,480 --> 03:32:39,080
quote, he said, she said, I said, you said nothing solid from all the stakeholders involved.

2344
03:32:39,880 --> 03:32:46,620
Nothing more than remembered words, phrases, statements, and opinions less than acceptable

2345
03:32:46,620 --> 03:32:53,420
in my world. Whoa, says the administrative memo as I interpreted. The council members

2346
03:32:53,420 --> 03:32:58,280
they want the freedom to say whatever they feel, and know that they will never be officially

2347
03:32:58,280 --> 03:32:59,140
quoted.

2348
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:04,320
In my opinion, this is not what I want elected officials to behave like.

2349
03:33:05,820 --> 03:33:07,680
In personal business, they want to do what you want.

2350
03:33:08,000 --> 03:33:13,880
In debt, public business, including concessions, you, what you say, opine, state, should

2351
03:33:13,880 --> 03:33:19,100
be said like you are yelling at the public, while standing at the corner, a signal and

2352
03:33:19,100 --> 03:33:25,640
I have you. This is what I said when I'm in the politician. You're going to be accountable for your behavior.

2353
03:33:26,800 --> 03:33:32,880
Please start auto-recording your possessions. No more say thanks short statements.

2354
03:33:33,280 --> 03:33:37,520
Practice accountability. Thank you.

2355
03:33:37,780 --> 03:33:39,760
Thank you, Mr. Miley. Jeffrey, start weather.

2356
03:33:43,760 --> 03:33:47,840
I definitely agree that we need to record our close sessions.

2357
03:33:48,440 --> 03:33:58,340
For a number of reasons, it does tend to put a certain amount of pressure on the city council members to stay on topic and the city attorney.

2358
03:33:59,820 --> 03:34:06,660
And also those records should be available when the litigation is no longer relevant.

2359
03:34:07,460 --> 03:34:13,440
The case is over, you've sued them, or you dropped the lawsuit, it should become public records, I think.

2360
03:34:13,440 --> 03:34:23,020
And also the DA should be able to get access to them if the city council member or public files a complaint about a violation of the Brown Act.

2361
03:34:23,040 --> 03:34:25,720
They should be able to get access to those to review it.

2362
03:34:25,900 --> 03:34:31,340
And also, if you think about a Brown Act lawsuit, we almost came close to having one.

2363
03:34:33,160 --> 03:34:35,100
When you don't have any record, you're meeting.

2364
03:34:35,840 --> 03:34:37,640
Just think how much that would cost.

2365
03:34:38,060 --> 03:34:40,360
Every single one of you would have to be the post.

2366
03:34:40,360 --> 03:34:46,160
I used to be a lawyer. I did civil litigation. You're talking about $20,000 or something.

2367
03:34:46,860 --> 03:34:50,580
So it would save everybody cost to have that record.

2368
03:34:53,660 --> 03:34:59,500
I think that to the extent that you could have it in one meeting, I think that would be better.

2369
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:08,980
And I think that should be at the end of the meeting, because number one, it would be in Senate for everybody to talk, you know, not extend these meetings out.

2370
03:35:09,360 --> 03:35:20,120
And third, you know, the citizens shouldn't have to be the ones that stay up late, because you guys started early or start late, that should be you.

2371
03:35:20,120 --> 03:35:24,280
So it's going to have these closed session. Maybe in addition to setting the have up.

2372
03:35:24,520 --> 03:35:31,740
I agree very strongly that it's not the attorney who decides where you have a closed session on litigation.

2373
03:35:32,620 --> 03:35:41,900
He advises you and you can make a decision because there's not a single litigation that you couldn't if you wanted to hold in the open.

2374
03:35:44,520 --> 03:35:48,320
It's up to you. It's whether you're risking the city's stake.

2375
03:35:48,320 --> 03:35:55,060
And I have a real problem when you go into close session to get advice about public policy.

2376
03:35:55,440 --> 03:35:57,620
You're about ready to act.

2377
03:35:57,860 --> 03:35:59,580
You might be friends too about that.

2378
03:35:59,580 --> 03:36:06,800
That should be done in the public because we the public are the ones who are asking you to pass the policy.

2379
03:36:07,000 --> 03:36:09,960
We're the ones that will have to pay for that litigation.

2380
03:36:11,220 --> 03:36:17,740
I would also add that you didn't cover one big area, which has been one of the biggest issues.

2381
03:36:17,740 --> 03:36:21,080
is adding things onto the agenda.

2382
03:36:22,100 --> 03:36:24,640
I think you should have to have a majority vote.

2383
03:36:25,140 --> 03:36:27,820
I think the best way to do it would be at the end of each meeting.

2384
03:36:28,800 --> 03:36:29,500
Have a discussion.

2385
03:36:30,600 --> 03:36:32,780
Does any member want to add things to the agenda?

2386
03:36:33,800 --> 03:36:36,900
And then you could vote as a group where you're going to do that.

2387
03:36:37,540 --> 03:36:39,880
And I think as far as I'm of our way to be done,

2388
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:43,120
close meetings and special meetings,

2389
03:36:43,400 --> 03:36:44,720
I think you should have to be a majority.

2390
03:36:47,590 --> 03:36:48,490
Thank you, Mr. Fengel.

2391
03:36:49,290 --> 03:36:50,870
Mr. Montgomery, anything online?

2392
03:36:51,990 --> 03:36:52,550
Yes, Mayor.

2393
03:36:53,730 --> 03:36:54,550
We have two raised hands.

2394
03:36:54,870 --> 03:36:55,810
Oh, did I say Mr. Stangol?

2395
03:36:55,950 --> 03:36:56,830
I'm in Mr. Stark weather.

2396
03:36:57,610 --> 03:36:58,670
Sorry about that.

2397
03:36:59,810 --> 03:37:00,170
Oh, great.

2398
03:37:00,670 --> 03:37:01,030
Thanks.

2399
03:37:03,010 --> 03:37:03,470
Yes, Mayor.

2400
03:37:03,490 --> 03:37:04,490
We have two raised hands.

2401
03:37:04,550 --> 03:37:07,150
First, we'll have our elected city clerk Steve Quilissie,

2402
03:37:07,310 --> 03:37:08,410
followed by John Drucker.

2403
03:37:08,710 --> 03:37:09,510
Thank you.

2404
03:37:09,730 --> 03:37:11,590
Mr. City Clerk, you have the floor.

2405
03:37:13,600 --> 03:37:14,440
Thank you.

2406
03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:19,160
I want to agree on just one,

2407
03:37:19,160 --> 03:37:29,300
narrow point of this discussion. And that is about scheduling a closed session during an open

2408
03:37:29,300 --> 03:37:38,200
meeting. I'm a member of the Board of the Ohio Valley Sanitary District. And we always have our

2409
03:37:38,200 --> 03:37:48,560
closed sessions as a separate agenda item in an open meeting. We close obviously during the closed

2410
03:37:49,320 --> 03:37:57,040
But it's always there, it's always available to the public, 72 hours ahead of the meeting.

2411
03:37:57,620 --> 03:38:03,540
They know there's a closed session coming, and the description that is in the agenda

2412
03:38:03,540 --> 03:38:05,400
complies with the Brown Act.

2413
03:38:08,210 --> 03:38:13,170
We typically, wherever the agenda happened, the agenda item happened to fall,

2414
03:38:13,850 --> 03:38:15,970
we typically move it to the end

2415
03:38:15,970 --> 03:38:22,670
So that all of the public's business is covered before we go into closed session.

2416
03:38:23,390 --> 03:38:29,890
And of course, then we report out any reportable action just as required by the Brown Act.

2417
03:38:30,270 --> 03:38:32,730
But it works very well for us.

2418
03:38:33,510 --> 03:38:39,570
To do with that way, the public gets more notice about closed sessions.

2419
03:38:40,270 --> 03:38:48,230
And they get all the same notice that they would get if you call it a special meeting for a closed session.

2420
03:38:49,510 --> 03:38:59,310
So I hope you will go that way and put your closed sessions in your open meeting agendas and put them at the end.

2421
03:38:59,710 --> 03:39:06,730
Several others have suggested that I agree and I can tell you that it works very well that way.

2422
03:39:07,270 --> 03:39:08,210
Thank you for your time.

2423
03:39:08,210 --> 03:39:13,810
Thank you, Mr. Coolsey. Next we have John Drucker followed by Renee. John, you have the floor.

2424
03:39:18,050 --> 03:39:20,090
Mr. Drucker, you have the ability to unmute.

2425
03:39:25,900 --> 03:39:29,760
Mr. Drucker, I'll give you one more opportunity. I'm giving you the option to unmute one more time.

2426
03:39:30,360 --> 03:39:31,960
Yeah, there we go. Okay.

2427
03:39:33,520 --> 03:39:35,940
Can you hear me now? Yes. Thank you.

2428
03:39:36,680 --> 03:39:37,940
Okay. Good evening, everyone.

2429
03:39:39,100 --> 03:39:54,360
I think what, first of all, I guess I'm not sure all of you are aware of it, but I sent in quite an extensive commentary on these protocols, which I hope you read if not already after this meeting.

2430
03:39:55,120 --> 03:39:59,880
But generally, I think what we have here is...

2431
03:40:00,210 --> 03:40:11,970
You know, a city attorney who reads the Brown Act in the broadest sense of allowing and almost mandating

2432
03:40:11,970 --> 03:40:30,190
the least information you put forth to the public. And you know, that's okay by him. And then, of course, you have this council attitude that it's solely the city attorney's decision, whether to have a closed session, which is absolutely wrong.

2433
03:40:30,930 --> 03:40:38,930
So in that regard, I would just steer the council to Justice Louis Brandeis, read the statute, read the statute, read the statute.

2434
03:40:40,190 --> 03:40:44,210
If it's one page of text, you can all read it quite competently.

2435
03:40:44,710 --> 03:40:57,130
Five four government code, five four nine five six point nine D, and sections two is a point, you know, you can have a closed session.

2436
03:40:57,130 --> 03:41:02,150
at, quote, a point has been reached where, in the opinion of the legislative body of the

2437
03:41:02,150 --> 03:41:08,450
local agency, on the advice of its local council, based on existing facts and circumstances,

2438
03:41:09,010 --> 03:41:17,890
there is a significant exposure to litigation. Now, the main point here, I would stress, is that

2439
03:41:17,890 --> 03:41:25,770
you are constantly at you and the entire general public is kept in the dark regarding the existing

2440
03:41:25,770 --> 03:41:35,370
facts and circumstances that are supposedly posing the risk of litigation. This needs

2441
03:41:35,370 --> 03:41:44,530
to be addressed and it needs to be more fully informed because ultimately it is your

2442
03:41:44,530 --> 03:41:52,310
decision, the council's decision whether to have a close session or not, and the bottom line

2443
03:41:52,310 --> 03:42:05,350
As someone pointed out earlier, whether in open session, concerning those closed session matters would prejudiced the position of the city in the litigation.

2444
03:42:06,590 --> 03:42:20,910
So I would hope that the city council with regard to the whole range of issues really airs on the side of openness rather than closeness, which has been its policy for the past number of years.

2445
03:42:20,910 --> 03:42:25,970
Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Renee. Renee, you have the ability to unmute.

2446
03:42:28,900 --> 03:42:29,240
Hello.

2447
03:42:35,350 --> 03:42:45,730
I was strongly moved by Judge Coats in his decision when he talks about the Brown Act.

2448
03:42:46,990 --> 03:42:56,510
And it states in the Judge Coats decision, the Brown Act exists so that citizens can monitor

2449
03:42:56,510 --> 03:43:05,890
and when appropriate, hold their elected officials accountable for the decisions they make

2450
03:43:05,890 --> 03:43:15,470
on the public's behalf end of quote, that only works when deliberations and decisions are made

2451
03:43:15,470 --> 03:43:26,330
in the open. I urge the council to revise its protocols to prioritize transparency and

2452
03:43:26,330 --> 03:43:33,630
openness and accountability for your decisions to rebuild the public trust.

2453
03:43:34,490 --> 03:43:40,030
Under the Brown Act, we know close sessions must be the exception, not the norm.

2454
03:43:41,010 --> 03:43:45,530
We have three topics for close session today.

2455
03:43:46,070 --> 03:43:54,830
The courts have emphasized that pending litigation must be strictly construed as John

2456
03:43:54,830 --> 03:44:02,850
trucker was saying here. Strictly construed, it applies only when public discussion would truly jeopardize

2457
03:44:02,850 --> 03:44:10,710
the city's legal position. Not simply because it's sensitive, or it's political, or it's inconvenient.

2458
03:44:11,570 --> 03:44:18,910
For example, in matters like indemnification of council members. Unless it is tied to specific

2459
03:44:18,910 --> 03:44:28,510
Active litigation. It should be addressed in open session. These are policy decisions, not legal strategy.

2460
03:44:29,610 --> 03:44:35,930
The Brown Act demands more than just open voting. It requires open deliberation.

2461
03:44:36,470 --> 03:44:43,750
The public deserves to hear the reasoning. The options and the debate that shapes the decisions you are making.

2462
03:44:43,750 --> 03:44:51,850
So, if you want to restore credibility, it must follow, not only the letter but the spirit of the Brown Act.

2463
03:44:52,490 --> 03:44:58,870
So, when in doubt I hope you open the doors, you must be doing this in open session.

2464
03:44:59,930 --> 03:44:59,970
The...

2465
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:25,100
The other thing is, I think you need to have a separate agenda item for closed sessions. So when the public has to go back and look for closed sessions, they have to look, not at every meeting of every council session, but be able to find closed session agenda items on specific dates in your granica software and I don't know how that's going to be done.

2466
03:45:25,100 --> 03:45:30,860
But I think you have to have a separate closed session agenda separate from your regular meeting.

2467
03:45:30,960 --> 03:45:35,420
I don't care if it's before or after, but it has to be a separately closed agenda meeting.

2468
03:45:36,480 --> 03:45:41,160
The other thing is, I do think you have to record minutes just don't do it.

2469
03:45:41,180 --> 03:45:41,800
Thank you very much.

2470
03:45:41,820 --> 03:45:42,300
Thank you.

2471
03:45:43,180 --> 03:45:43,780
That's all.

2472
03:45:44,040 --> 03:45:44,620
Thank you.

2473
03:45:47,390 --> 03:45:53,310
More discussion, I have to say, so it's 10 to 10 feels like a very big subject.

2474
03:45:54,670 --> 03:46:05,310
And you're the ad hoc committee is interesting what I would not want to do is say let's have an ad hoc committee work on this in detail come back and we still fight about it.

2475
03:46:05,310 --> 03:46:10,530
I know I

2476
03:46:14,560 --> 03:46:27,280
know is a very deep issue and I think that I actually believe sort of deliberation

2477
03:46:27,740 --> 03:46:34,560
which is the hallmark of a city council is very important but I also understand that we've

2478
03:46:34,560 --> 03:46:39,040
got many things on the agenda so I'm not married to an ad hoc committee I'm just saying

2479
03:46:39,040 --> 03:46:46,160
that, you know, could come back with recommendations that could then be, you know, discussed

2480
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:54,160
or not. It is a very, for me, it is a very, very deep subject. And there's many things we haven't

2481
03:46:54,160 --> 03:47:00,400
talked about that I need clarification on one of them, of course, being, what is a reportable

2482
03:47:00,400 --> 03:47:08,920
action? And how do we view that? Like we, you know, we make decisions. If we don't take a vote,

2483
03:47:08,920 --> 03:47:13,960
were not required, you know, it's like, does anyone, did anyone when they started know that if you

2484
03:47:13,960 --> 03:47:19,520
don't actually take a vote, you don't have to report it out? No, I didn't know that. So hence

2485
03:47:19,520 --> 03:47:23,840
I never called for a vote. It was just everybody nods their head and so guess what, you

2486
03:47:23,840 --> 03:47:27,340
don't have to report anything out. But if you were to take a vote on exactly the same subject,

2487
03:47:27,340 --> 03:47:33,980
you would have to report out what the vote was. But who knew? So there's just so many things

2488
03:47:33,980 --> 03:47:40,300
that I've learned over the last two and a half years of delving into this that I think are really

2489
03:47:40,300 --> 03:47:45,760
important that you don't know what you don't know until you actually have to live it.

2490
03:47:45,760 --> 03:47:50,440
I'm just saying. Yeah, so that's why the ad hoc committee, but I am open to any model

2491
03:47:50,440 --> 03:47:58,760
that would allow that deep dive and a report and a deliberative process. Okay, so Mayor, what are

2492
03:47:58,760 --> 03:48:06,820
proposing because I kind of heard an implication. Well, sounded like that we've got

2493
03:48:08,460 --> 03:48:18,480
multiple hours of discussion and we're already at 10 o'clock. So not tonight. Yeah, so I'm open to any suggestions. Not tonight

2494
03:48:19,320 --> 03:48:23,900
Yeah, so I'm open to suggestions about me too. See

2495
03:48:24,600 --> 03:48:28,480
So I'm thinking it's two council people it's our

2496
03:48:28,760 --> 03:48:38,060
attorney, our city manager. I don't know who else. Maybe it's someone somebody else who's experienced in this also. Somebody from the public. I don't know. I'm open to ideas too.

2497
03:48:38,700 --> 03:48:49,560
For the sake of time would it be better if we did like another meeting like we're going to do with like a workshop work shop or all together, because even if we had an ad on going to bring it back.

2498
03:48:50,160 --> 03:48:57,740
We're going to be that was what I was concerned about so maybe so so a workshop on this subject only by itself with all of us present.

2499
03:48:58,560 --> 03:49:06,200
So, when you say workshop, are you talking about, I think, in my brain, I think, study session,

2500
03:49:06,860 --> 03:49:12,060
where we kind of buck the normal formality of the meeting and it's more informational

2501
03:49:12,060 --> 03:49:16,180
and we're having this open discussion, still public comment.

2502
03:49:16,860 --> 03:49:22,640
But there's more of a free flow of ideas, is that, when you say workshop, is that what you mean,

2503
03:49:22,760 --> 03:49:26,920
or you mean, like, when we do the Brown Act, you want me to come present and do better

2504
03:49:26,920 --> 03:49:31,480
use again. I'm not the former not the latter, but it's it's that there's a lot of

2505
03:49:31,480 --> 03:49:36,420
given take but then it's the only item and it can go along so it could be

2506
03:49:36,420 --> 03:49:40,340
something like three or four hours but it's only on the one subject and it could

2507
03:49:40,340 --> 03:49:46,480
be an action at the end it could be a bow or not but it's it's dedicated and it's

2508
03:49:46,480 --> 03:49:50,860
more conversational so we can I mean I would keep some of the rails on like

2509
03:49:50,860 --> 03:49:55,600
our timer and things like that. I just want to understand what your needs are so

2510
03:49:55,600 --> 03:49:57,340
can be responsive to them.

2511
03:49:57,860 --> 03:49:59,980
Well, I, and here's another idea, when, as I,

2512
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:15,320
I reach out to other people or other people's experience. Other experiences of city councils that do things like recording or notes or whatever. It'd be great to have that kind of feedback to you because we have from individual people that have worked in other cities like that.

2513
03:50:16,340 --> 03:50:20,700
Hearing some of that feedback would be great. Here's what's great about it. Here's the danger of that.

2514
03:50:21,300 --> 03:50:24,900
And you've laid out some in the protocols here, which is really, which is great.

2515
03:50:24,900 --> 03:50:44,100
And I think, you know, potentially having the input of a first amendment attorney or someone who doesn't take the view that, you know, any information that you put out there is a potential liability, which is a position, but there's also another position.

2516
03:50:44,100 --> 03:51:00,180
And so what do other cities do not only about recording, but what have they found ways to be as transparent and where have they found the guidelines to be?

2517
03:51:00,180 --> 03:51:05,220
Um, well, I, I really like years to just, I think it's a good one.

2518
03:51:05,380 --> 03:51:08,980
Especially if we can all, because we're going to have to live with it.

2519
03:51:09,080 --> 03:51:14,040
So if we can really work on it together and come to some consensus about what we want to live with,

2520
03:51:14,180 --> 03:51:16,560
I think this thing would do that.

2521
03:51:18,130 --> 03:51:24,670
As I also think that we all need to be educated, like we need to know what these things are,

2522
03:51:24,690 --> 03:51:28,870
so that we can make it is ultimately the council's decision.

2523
03:51:28,870 --> 03:51:35,090
And if we don't know what a reportable action is, how can we make a decision on whether or not

2524
03:51:35,090 --> 03:51:38,550
this is a reportable action, I mean, don't know.

2525
03:51:39,010 --> 03:51:42,990
I would say if this is the direction that you want to go, and it's an endeavor that you

2526
03:51:42,990 --> 03:51:48,990
want our office to undertake, we would need to understand the extent of the effort that you

2527
03:51:48,990 --> 03:51:55,530
are thinking from a time perspective, because we are trying to be fiscally conservative

2528
03:51:55,530 --> 03:52:01,570
And what we're talking about is moving in the other direction of that, if I may be free.

2529
03:52:01,910 --> 03:52:05,050
And if I could add to that, please, there's two ways to run a watch so like this.

2530
03:52:05,570 --> 03:52:07,210
We could bring in every expert we can think of.

2531
03:52:07,230 --> 03:52:11,550
I'm thinking already of a gentleman who spoke at the last league conference that was at from the first

2532
03:52:11,550 --> 03:52:13,970
amendment coalition who was a great speaker in the familiar with this.

2533
03:52:13,970 --> 03:52:15,810
He litigates Brown Act cases against cities.

2534
03:52:16,010 --> 03:52:17,690
In fact, him, I'm sure he'd come speak.

2535
03:52:17,930 --> 03:52:19,410
We invite somebody from the FPC.

2536
03:52:20,250 --> 03:52:21,250
We even have our resources.

2537
03:52:21,390 --> 03:52:21,990
We have the council.

2538
03:52:21,990 --> 03:52:23,390
we bring in some members of the public.

2539
03:52:23,610 --> 03:52:26,270
We invite the four or five cities that have really robust

2540
03:52:26,270 --> 03:52:28,010
on China-ordance is like San Francisco,

2541
03:52:28,870 --> 03:52:31,570
which I'll note was written by the voters there.

2542
03:52:32,270 --> 03:52:33,230
That sounds like a big thing.

2543
03:52:33,610 --> 03:52:35,090
And so that's a really big thing.

2544
03:52:35,210 --> 03:52:35,890
That's a choice.

2545
03:52:36,390 --> 03:52:39,330
We can also do something that's,

2546
03:52:39,390 --> 03:52:42,570
because in the end I'll note, in the end it's a policy choice.

2547
03:52:42,570 --> 03:52:44,110
The five of you will have to make,

2548
03:52:44,250 --> 03:52:46,510
or accurately, three of you will have to make,

2549
03:52:47,090 --> 03:52:48,850
and maybe four ideally five.

2550
03:52:49,230 --> 03:52:51,190
In the end, it's your choice.

2551
03:52:51,190 --> 03:53:09,190
You could advocate your power to others, but they won't solve the choice you have to make, so my suggestion will be we could do a workshop that in starts with the medication starts with sort of those of us who live the brown act pretty closely use all of these little watch works, a portable action, you know,

2552
03:53:09,190 --> 03:53:10,810
It's significant exposure litigation.

2553
03:53:10,930 --> 03:53:11,690
These little watchwords.

2554
03:53:11,910 --> 03:53:14,410
Break that out, explain what those mean.

2555
03:53:14,510 --> 03:53:16,310
And then walk through the policy choices,

2556
03:53:16,610 --> 03:53:18,570
and have a workshop, certainly bring the community.

2557
03:53:18,670 --> 03:53:19,930
And I think the workshop format's great.

2558
03:53:19,990 --> 03:53:22,210
We've done that on a number of other things

2559
03:53:22,210 --> 03:53:24,270
where it's much more of a participatory discussion,

2560
03:53:24,710 --> 03:53:26,450
bringing the community and the council together.

2561
03:53:26,890 --> 03:53:28,450
But I would caution that bringing

2562
03:53:28,450 --> 03:53:30,190
in all of these other outlets that experts,

2563
03:53:30,550 --> 03:53:31,330
you're creating a conference.

2564
03:53:31,430 --> 03:53:32,730
And I'm not sure that's within your budget

2565
03:53:32,730 --> 03:53:34,050
as you've expressed to us before.

2566
03:53:34,410 --> 03:53:35,710
I'm happy with what you're proposing.

2567
03:53:36,470 --> 03:53:38,630
And even if it's here, I would happily take.

2568
03:53:38,630 --> 03:53:42,850
I mean, if we had four or three or four hours on what was proposed to.

2569
03:53:42,850 --> 03:53:43,090
Okay.

2570
03:53:43,550 --> 03:53:50,190
I think it's just understanding what your, but I mean, so I just want to make a comment.

2571
03:53:50,410 --> 03:53:56,790
Because there's, there's been a lot of comments about what happened in our close session,

2572
03:53:57,410 --> 03:54:00,630
which nobody should know.

2573
03:54:02,390 --> 03:54:08,530
There's, which question, well, there's the suggestion, there's the suggestion that

2574
03:54:08,530 --> 03:54:19,830
our city attorney acts deliberately to give less information and I, in his defense, I'm

2575
03:54:19,830 --> 03:54:26,770
going to say that he's the one person in this room who's a government attorney and

2576
03:54:26,770 --> 03:54:36,750
government meeting law. And he understands that the attorney client

2577
03:54:36,750 --> 03:54:42,690
privilege, the advice that passes between the attorney and the

2578
03:54:42,690 --> 03:54:46,430
council, that privilege is very important.

2579
03:54:48,570 --> 03:54:49,830
And it has to be

2580
03:54:49,830 --> 03:54:54,990
handled properly by a three person vote. We can disclose anything

2581
03:54:54,990 --> 03:54:59,970
that's in that meeting, but other than that three-person boat, it should...

2582
03:55:01,560 --> 03:55:12,560
If I can stop you just saying because I don't want to I don't want to have a serious conversation about what happens in the past as much as what we need to do going forward because there is a public trust issue.

2583
03:55:12,960 --> 03:55:15,860
I do want to resolve that if we can, I think we can.

2584
03:55:16,280 --> 03:55:17,580
And I think we can get there.

2585
03:55:18,260 --> 03:55:22,120
I agree. And so there's just been brought up another subject.

2586
03:55:22,120 --> 03:55:29,160
What is privileged and confidential if you're brown act if you have not properly if it's an illegal brown

2587
03:55:29,160 --> 03:55:33,980
If it's an illegal close session, what is privileged and confidential that's a very important question

2588
03:55:33,980 --> 03:55:36,540
Well, and so that would I just

2589
03:55:36,540 --> 03:55:41,000
Hold on my instead of digging into the details right we already need to have a workshop

2590
03:55:41,000 --> 03:55:50,300
There's many questions. Okay, but one of my concerns with having a workshop is exactly this. Yeah, is that it's just that we end up

2591
03:55:50,300 --> 03:56:02,300
hitting stalemates and not moving past the past and I think that we have some incredible

2592
03:56:02,300 --> 03:56:08,300
goals and priorities and tactics that we talked about for the last we've talked about

2593
03:56:08,300 --> 03:56:14,980
over four meetings and I think it's important that we update our policy and that we come

2594
03:56:14,980 --> 03:56:23,480
that we come up with some very specific language around special meetings and close sessions.

2595
03:56:24,460 --> 03:56:28,220
But I think what's happening is we're completing two different things.

2596
03:56:28,420 --> 03:56:34,360
We're completing having some specific language about how to call a meeting and having meeting protocols.

2597
03:56:34,900 --> 03:56:40,700
And we're talking about a much bigger picture, which is what is our philosophy in our values around transparency.

2598
03:56:40,700 --> 03:56:44,760
and that's a workshop. This is not a workshop.

2599
03:56:45,280 --> 03:56:49,280
This is another agenda item that maybe we start the night with.

2600
03:56:49,280 --> 03:56:49,700
I agree.

2601
03:56:49,700 --> 03:56:51,200
Have some public comments.

2602
03:56:52,500 --> 03:56:57,700
We have a basis of information here that we can move from.

2603
03:56:58,940 --> 03:57:05,340
And I think we could make a decision on the specific language without having a workshop.

2604
03:57:06,720 --> 03:57:12,100
And then if we wanted to, after the goals and priorities, I mean, could even add this as a tactic,

2605
03:57:12,800 --> 03:57:20,820
looking at our values around transparency, big picture philosophy, like, that could be something

2606
03:57:20,820 --> 03:57:25,300
that we would do later, that's just my thought.

2607
03:57:25,520 --> 03:57:31,100
I generally agree with what you said, and I noticed that I thought when we call the meetings

2608
03:57:31,100 --> 03:57:36,600
would be an easy decision, but then we see how it morphed and overlap into a philosophy of

2609
03:57:36,600 --> 03:57:45,140
closer. So there is some overlap, but I agree with that. I would have made the same comment

2610
03:57:47,330 --> 03:57:53,550
that the first part. It's possible that what we have in front of us for these options could be

2611
03:57:53,550 --> 03:57:59,990
diced up into the ones that are much more administrative and mechanical, and the ones that are much

2612
03:57:59,990 --> 03:58:05,910
or broad policy, maybe even handled in different sessions.

2613
03:58:06,490 --> 03:58:07,270
Yeah, maybe so.

2614
03:58:07,450 --> 03:58:10,290
So are we deciding that we're not going to have a workshop,

2615
03:58:10,550 --> 03:58:12,110
or are we still, and yet go?

2616
03:58:12,150 --> 03:58:14,290
Can I make, I'm going to make one of their proposition.

2617
03:58:15,050 --> 03:58:19,410
And that is that in our close session tonight

2618
03:58:19,410 --> 03:58:23,030
that we reported out on, we talked about,

2619
03:58:23,450 --> 03:58:25,650
and this is not against either one of you.

2620
03:58:25,750 --> 03:58:29,330
But we talked about going back to the drawing board,

2621
03:58:29,330 --> 03:58:36,790
not to the drawing board. I want to be, I'm sorry, we talked about opening up a process

2622
03:58:36,790 --> 03:58:41,850
where we are looking for other, that we are accepting bids for other attorneys. We're not

2623
03:58:41,850 --> 03:58:50,350
looking for other trained, because we, anyway. So, so, so, so, so thank you so much.

2624
03:58:58,670 --> 03:58:59,310
So,

2625
03:58:59,310 --> 03:59:07,470
what do we want in terms of our attorneys in terms of our city attorney? And so I propose that we

2626
03:59:07,470 --> 03:59:14,070
talk about that we have a workshop after that process, because I would imagine that in our

2627
03:59:14,070 --> 03:59:23,390
conversations surrounding that process that we're going to get really clear about what we

2628
03:59:23,390 --> 03:59:34,790
be as a working council, what we want in terms of transparency and our legal representatives.

2629
03:59:35,750 --> 03:59:42,290
So I'm going to propose that we move that we table the workshop in the philosophy discussion

2630
03:59:43,270 --> 03:59:51,250
and then until after that process and that we look at changing some language in an administrative

2631
03:59:51,250 --> 03:59:59,550
of way whatever we can that that uh yep exactly thank you. I'm sorry it's it's really late in my

2632
04:00:01,100 --> 04:00:29,280
Can I, we have for two and a half years been pushing off this workshop? We have from day one said we would have a workshop on transparency, that we would have a workshop on understanding and we are once again saying that there's other things that we need to do and and we're proposing that we pushed this off, you know, months, months down the road.

2633
04:00:29,280 --> 04:00:40,140
I cannot agree with that, it is time for us to have this discussion, and I realize that

2634
04:00:40,140 --> 04:00:48,640
you know, I believe that we can become clear without having to go through the process

2635
04:00:48,640 --> 04:00:55,780
of, you know, interviewing lawyers, which, you know, that checklist didn't even actually

2636
04:00:55,780 --> 04:01:04,820
include transparency or brown act or any of that. There was no specificity in that checklist.

2637
04:01:05,780 --> 04:01:16,640
I will also say that, you know, so I guess, what I'm getting, I was hoping that we actually

2638
04:01:16,640 --> 04:01:24,300
had an agreement to have a workshop to delve into these transparency issues without once again

2639
04:01:24,300 --> 04:01:29,720
pushing it off as we have been talking about this for two and a half years.

2640
04:01:29,740 --> 04:01:30,360
We're still talking.

2641
04:01:30,680 --> 04:01:31,800
I know we're still talking.

2642
04:01:32,340 --> 04:01:33,220
I just kind of the point.

2643
04:01:33,560 --> 04:01:38,320
I just wanted to remind everyone that we have tried to have these

2644
04:01:38,320 --> 04:01:39,000
conversations.

2645
04:01:39,800 --> 04:01:41,620
We had a whole crowd of things.

2646
04:01:42,560 --> 04:01:44,660
And they did not end well.

2647
04:01:45,500 --> 04:01:47,680
They created more contention.

2648
04:01:49,320 --> 04:01:53,080
And so we have addressed this over and over again.

2649
04:01:53,080 --> 04:02:12,200
And I'm not, when I'm talking about delaying the workshop, it's because depending on what happens with that process, there could be some things that come into the light for us in terms of how we want to move forward.

2650
04:02:12,200 --> 04:02:30,900
For example, as we interview people or, you know, as we think about what are our legal team, how they serve us, we could have new insights about how better we could do these things.

2651
04:02:30,900 --> 04:02:45,880
So that's all I'm saying that it might jog our imagination in addressing these things that in a way that is future oriented that isn't so focused on the past and what happened in the past.

2652
04:02:46,460 --> 04:02:51,660
Well, I do think we have to to craft something that goes forward that we can live with.

2653
04:02:52,060 --> 04:02:55,820
It's it's it's a difficult but it's hard to get past the past.

2654
04:02:55,820 --> 04:03:23,540
We haven't been able to do that very well, I've noticed, but I, I've favorite having the workshop, but I'm just going to say even if the workshop was a month out, which is reasonable, that's about not far from the time frame of us go, and you're saying it's going to go out next week, the RFQ so that could be beginning possibly, but I would say though, if not tonight because it's late, we do have to agree on who gets to call meeting, that is still open for us right now.

2655
04:03:23,540 --> 04:03:27,180
Yeah, I think there are, so I would just very briefly,

2656
04:03:27,300 --> 04:03:30,740
I would flip that and say, perhaps with a workshop,

2657
04:03:31,040 --> 04:03:34,340
we become clearer on what we're looking for in an attorney

2658
04:03:34,340 --> 04:03:37,800
as opposed to saying, you know, in talking to an attorney,

2659
04:03:37,920 --> 04:03:41,780
we become clearer on what we want, I mean, I flip that, actually.

2660
04:03:43,100 --> 04:03:46,300
And I would be willing to push it out, I guess a month.

2661
04:03:48,380 --> 04:03:51,440
But, and it's more than just, you know,

2662
04:03:51,440 --> 04:03:57,860
I don't want to argue, but when I hear something that's blatantly false, I don't know

2663
04:03:57,860 --> 04:03:58,620
what to do with that.

2664
04:03:58,800 --> 04:04:04,020
So maybe I will just write it down and park it, and then we can have a period where, excuse

2665
04:04:04,020 --> 04:04:09,440
me, I have deep questions about this particular, you know, I mean, maybe that's what I do.

2666
04:04:11,060 --> 04:04:20,380
But, you know, would you be open to talking offline about your questions and see if we

2667
04:04:20,380 --> 04:04:25,460
us. Yeah, but I also want the rest of the council, because I think it's really important, but what

2668
04:04:25,460 --> 04:04:31,140
I think it would be helpful to understand, at least for me to understand what your perspective

2669
04:04:31,140 --> 04:04:37,360
is, and where your concerns are coming from, so that we can have this conversation in public

2670
04:04:37,360 --> 04:04:43,160
and have it be productive. Yeah, I would be happy to get answers to my questions, you know,

2671
04:04:43,240 --> 04:04:49,640
understanding that all attorneys interpret. You know, I mean, they interpret. That's the nature of it.

2672
04:04:49,640 --> 04:04:57,620
That's why you go to a judge in a turning A says and a turning B says not B and the judge says

2673
04:04:57,620 --> 04:04:59,760
P you're not P you know, so

2674
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:09,580
It's all and always interpretive, but I would be thrilled to get answers to these questions that

2675
04:05:09,580 --> 04:05:14,580
run in my head, like that I have mentioned, reportable, you know, those things. I would love

2676
04:05:14,580 --> 04:05:19,620
to have a discussion about that. Okay. And then I would have more clarity, and I would be able

2677
04:05:19,620 --> 04:05:26,900
to understand what others were saying and fit it into what I understand. You know, I think we can

2678
04:05:26,900 --> 04:05:36,040
So going space for the workshop, but it sounds like there's a conversation that we can have as a preliminary starting point.

2679
04:05:36,320 --> 04:05:38,020
Or you can have with anyone here.

2680
04:05:38,640 --> 04:05:45,960
What I like to propose just to give in the hour is to not discuss who gets to decide when meetings are called.

2681
04:05:46,200 --> 04:05:50,440
We have a good proposal, but I would and hopefully it wouldn't be a long conversation.

2682
04:05:50,440 --> 04:05:57,880
for next time so that we can finish that unless you really feel up for that right now, but it feels pretty late on that

2683
04:05:57,880 --> 04:05:59,340
No, I feel deflated.

2684
04:05:59,600 --> 04:06:03,440
Yeah, okay, let's, let's, let's-

2685
04:06:03,440 --> 04:06:04,240
I do.

2686
04:06:04,920 --> 04:06:06,900
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

2687
04:06:06,900 --> 04:06:08,100
So, I'm just,

2688
04:06:10,160 --> 04:06:15,440
quickly, quickly, the legislature has spent a ton of time.

2689
04:06:15,440 --> 04:06:26,220
It's a ton of F, and they set out rules, and they did that, based upon their understanding,

2690
04:06:26,500 --> 04:06:28,060
they needed to balance transparency.

2691
04:06:29,380 --> 04:06:33,300
And it turned a client privilege, at least as far as the things that we're talking about.

2692
04:06:34,620 --> 04:06:40,040
I agree with everything that Council Member Lang said.

2693
04:06:41,600 --> 04:07:04,020
I do think that there's an opening to potentially deal with that administrative nugget and I think we'd have to remove the big philosophy picture and say so how do we resolve when we have a clear method of moving forward to have the session and I think we can do that.

2694
04:07:04,680 --> 04:07:07,640
I like the idea of doing that at the next meet.

2695
04:07:07,640 --> 04:07:13,620
So that part we'll do at the next meeting and I will say I do believe there is a public

2696
04:07:13,620 --> 04:07:19,740
competition we need to return. I really believe so and that means this philosophy at least

2697
04:07:19,740 --> 04:07:27,080
it part and what gets called it so that's for another time. And I agree I want to say that in my

2698
04:07:27,080 --> 04:07:34,860
proposal to push that back it was not it was not because I don't think that's important. I agree with

2699
04:07:34,860 --> 04:07:43,900
that we do need this and I'm also just aware of the fact that they're that they're that it's almost like not time yet.

2700
04:07:45,640 --> 04:07:47,580
Okay, well, hold on.

2701
04:07:49,020 --> 04:07:49,900
Not okay just yet.

2702
04:07:50,820 --> 04:07:54,340
So we think that you're asking for this item to come back.

2703
04:07:54,520 --> 04:07:57,360
We think that you're asking at your next meeting.

2704
04:07:58,060 --> 04:08:01,720
Only only but you have a huge agenda at your next meeting.

2705
04:08:01,720 --> 04:08:10,200
And then we also think that you're just asking for, I guess, a deliberation of over one A, one B, and two A.

2706
04:08:10,220 --> 04:08:16,520
So who can, yeah, who can really you're asking, is I think who can call the meeting that who can call a special meeting?

2707
04:08:16,640 --> 04:08:30,280
And potentially you and I think you were on to something with the policy of when the closed session meeting was we were having that discussion and then maybe the initial preliminary vote within the closed session.

2708
04:08:30,280 --> 04:08:37,240
before. Right. The process of a check-in and agreement that things can move forward once you adjourn

2709
04:08:37,240 --> 04:08:43,880
to close this. I thought that's where we got we we can write that up. Yeah. Okay. And then I'll make a motion should make a motion.

2710
04:08:43,880 --> 04:08:50,640
Yeah. Make a motion. Yeah. Okay. All right. If you write up what you just said. Yep. Yeah. Then, I think that's. Let's

2711
04:08:50,640 --> 04:08:58,600
We can then enlarge our philosophy discussion because we had one. Yes, yes, so we'll save policy number three and four for

2712
04:08:59,440 --> 04:09:07,620
Work shop. Okay, I got you. So we'll go to draft back. I just don't know if that's going to become at the next meeting as I worry about

2713
04:09:07,620 --> 04:09:16,100
When it's the work shop is basically. So yeah, so here then then what I would say is as long as we agree as a body

2714
04:09:16,100 --> 04:09:20,240
Let's continue to have regular meetings unless there's an emergency

2715
04:09:20,240 --> 04:09:27,340
a true emergency like a fire, then there's not urgency at the moment. Right? We have our meetings

2716
04:09:27,340 --> 04:09:35,180
on the Tuesday. We don't have any other ones unless necessary. Unless we have a emergency that

2717
04:09:35,180 --> 04:09:40,600
a majority of the city council agrees with the fire emergency. If it's three or more, I'm okay with that.

2718
04:09:41,300 --> 04:09:48,080
So if three of you and you're all in agreement that if that happens, Ben can come to you and say,

2719
04:09:48,680 --> 04:09:53,160
Are you okay with having a meeting on the quah?

2720
04:09:53,600 --> 04:09:54,620
Yes or no?

2721
04:09:54,660 --> 04:09:59,980
The majority of the council, that's what I believe the advice that we received was that too.

2722
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:07,880
A few words and not sufficient but three words correct to hold a special right state law guarantees the right of the mayor or three to call a special meeting. That's fine.

2723
04:10:08,080 --> 04:10:14,820
And inherently in that is the contradiction between how can three call a special meeting but three can't meet and the answer is the three send to request to the manager.

2724
04:10:15,140 --> 04:10:17,120
It says I want to meet on subject.

2725
04:10:17,580 --> 04:10:17,640
Okay.

2726
04:10:18,340 --> 04:10:23,140
Well the mayor and as a practical matter if there is a legitimate emergency it will be run through the mayor and you'll enter.

2727
04:10:23,140 --> 04:10:30,340
But I can't imagine a situation in which there's an emergency, which the mayor disagrees in emergency, but three would agrees in emergency. That doesn't strike me slightly.

2728
04:10:30,680 --> 04:10:34,200
Nope, and also if three wanted something, then I want them to have it.

2729
04:10:35,020 --> 04:10:38,220
So with that, then it collapses back down and the mayor calls the special meeting.

2730
04:10:38,480 --> 04:10:50,660
Okay. So, and are we just for clarification purposes? Are we incorporating closed sessions into the regular meeting so that two council members can add an item to the agenda?

2731
04:10:50,660 --> 04:10:56,460
And that is not a today conversation that is okay. I just want to make sure that I'm clear.

2732
04:10:56,560 --> 04:11:01,500
I think we haven't decided that one. I think that there is a lot of merit to having that discussion.

2733
04:11:01,980 --> 04:11:02,000
Okay.

2734
04:11:04,440 --> 04:11:05,400
But we are.

2735
04:11:05,560 --> 04:11:06,500
Can we meet a little progress?

2736
04:11:06,640 --> 04:11:10,660
We are to adding the pre discussion to close sessions also.

2737
04:11:12,660 --> 04:11:13,480
I take subject.

2738
04:11:19,350 --> 04:11:20,210
We're not.

2739
04:11:21,270 --> 04:11:21,710
Okay.

2740
04:11:22,310 --> 04:11:23,450
How are we getting enough?

2741
04:11:23,530 --> 04:11:23,930
Mr. Harvey.

2742
04:11:23,930 --> 04:11:31,830
I think so. So then are you? Yeah. So then I think anticipating that this is probably not coming back at the next meeting.

2743
04:11:31,910 --> 04:11:34,830
Fine. So we can shoot for the meeting after.

2744
04:11:36,670 --> 04:11:38,090
You can take a vote to give us that direction.

2745
04:11:38,370 --> 04:11:43,010
And then we will figure out scheduling because you, you are going to have a very busy summer with.

2746
04:11:43,710 --> 04:11:46,050
You have two workshops in a hearing.

2747
04:11:46,410 --> 04:11:49,910
Yep. On top of your regular scheduling program.

2748
04:11:51,050 --> 04:11:51,530
Okay.

2749
04:11:51,750 --> 04:11:52,270
Here we go.

2750
04:11:56,510 --> 04:11:56,950
Okay.

2751
04:11:57,790 --> 04:11:58,210
Okay.

2752
04:11:59,530 --> 04:12:04,490
So is a vote needed to, I mean, you guys are bringing something back to us, not next

2753
04:12:04,490 --> 04:12:08,270
me, but the one after so that's the direction and you need a majority vote to take

2754
04:12:08,270 --> 04:12:08,690
that direction.

2755
04:12:08,710 --> 04:12:09,570
If I could get one.

2756
04:12:10,570 --> 04:12:11,430
For good measure.

2757
04:12:13,010 --> 04:12:13,530
I made the motion.

2758
04:12:13,670 --> 04:12:14,330
And I second.

2759
04:12:15,930 --> 04:12:16,350
Mr. Montgomery.

2760
04:12:16,690 --> 04:12:17,410
Roll call.

2761
04:12:17,750 --> 04:12:18,650
Councilmember Whitman.

2762
04:12:18,970 --> 04:12:19,070
Yes.

2763
04:12:20,030 --> 04:12:20,990
May your pro 10 lane.

2764
04:12:21,110 --> 04:12:21,550
Yes.

2765
04:12:21,550 --> 04:12:33,290
Council member May. Yes. Council member rule. Yes. Mayor Gil. Yes. Motion. Okay. Thank you all for your time. Oh wow. Thank you for your patience. Yes. Appreciate it.

2766
04:12:33,290 --> 04:12:42,830
I know you guys. That's true for now. I know we we have a policy nothing after 10. I'm making the assumption that this one is quick.

2767
04:12:43,850 --> 04:12:46,810
Super quick. I think if you guys will indulge in.

2768
04:12:46,810 --> 04:12:51,830
Okay, let's do it. Nice, something to do. We out there here for I know you guys waited

2769
04:12:51,830 --> 04:12:58,580
How many cards do you have on this one? How many what cards? Oh, I have two cards. Oh

2770
04:12:59,290 --> 04:13:03,230
Wait, I'm never heard of these people. I know. Just kidding. I'm Japanese.

2771
04:13:06,600 --> 04:13:07,140
Okay

2772
04:13:08,860 --> 04:13:09,400
So

2773
04:13:11,060 --> 04:13:14,640
Let's do it. So open art is a night market research results

2774
04:13:15,740 --> 04:13:17,230
Thank you. Thank you

2775
04:13:18,890 --> 04:13:24,250
My name is Moora Mackelusso and I am your principal planner and the Community Development Department.

2776
04:13:25,150 --> 04:13:32,490
And we were here on September 24th and planning staff presented at that time to the City Council,

2777
04:13:32,730 --> 04:13:41,310
the background regarding not-for-profit markets and that also included business owner and community concerns associated with these markets.

2778
04:13:41,310 --> 04:13:46,950
And we also presented alternative avenues for you to choose from.

2779
04:13:47,190 --> 04:13:52,670
One was holding a four-profit markets indoors, which is permitted within our

2780
04:13:52,670 --> 04:13:54,710
Sony municipal code.

2781
04:13:55,330 --> 04:14:01,290
Conditional use permits for allowing specific four-profit markets in commercial

2782
04:14:01,290 --> 04:14:02,770
Lesone sites.

2783
04:14:03,270 --> 04:14:07,870
And three opportunities for participation in the existing local events

2784
04:14:07,870 --> 04:14:11,250
organized by the Chamber of Commerce that are already in place.

2785
04:14:11,910 --> 04:14:16,290
The City Council ultimately directed staff to continue upholding the municipal code,

2786
04:14:16,890 --> 04:14:23,430
regarding outdoor events, and also directed staff to research outdoor markets in other cities,

2787
04:14:24,130 --> 04:14:24,650
evening markets.

2788
04:14:25,870 --> 04:14:30,350
So the director and I attended a planning conference session featuring night markets,

2789
04:14:30,790 --> 04:14:36,070
and I've also had the opportunity to interview a couple of event organizers in a couple of different cities,

2790
04:14:36,070 --> 04:14:44,690
And as a department, we've concluded that the City of Ohio offers ample opportunities for local artisans through our Chamber of Commerce.

2791
04:14:45,770 --> 04:14:59,810
Staff has continued to discuss the subject of outdoor not-for-profit markets with the Chamber, and the Chamber supports nine annual not-for-profit outdoor events offering opportunity.

2792
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:11,860
In the last few days for low-cost booth rentals for individuals to sell their wares, events are allowable through a temporary use permit, subject to the community development department approval.

2793
04:15:13,320 --> 04:15:27,720
And in most recent conversations with the chamber, it was suggested by the chamber, actually, after discussion, that they might want to consider holding two of their events, the one in July and the one in August in the evening, because it's hot at that time.

2794
04:15:27,720 --> 04:15:32,880
And then also just kind of to break it up and do this evening market idea.

2795
04:15:33,720 --> 04:15:36,480
Their markets are included in your packet.

2796
04:15:36,780 --> 04:15:40,600
There's an April 1, which is the Pixie Tangerine Celebration.

2797
04:15:40,780 --> 04:15:43,420
June is the Ohio Lavender Celebration.

2798
04:15:43,640 --> 04:15:46,500
July is Local Musicians.

2799
04:15:46,740 --> 04:15:50,820
August, Puppy Love, through the Humane Society.

2800
04:15:51,300 --> 04:15:53,120
September is an Autumn Festival.

2801
04:15:53,420 --> 04:15:54,460
October is Ohio.

2802
04:15:54,460 --> 04:16:03,180
day. No member is the olive oil celebration. No member downtown lighting ceremony. December is

2803
04:16:03,180 --> 04:16:10,160
Ohio winter holiday celebration. Um, so I hope I'm not talking too fast. No, it's good. But,

2804
04:16:10,160 --> 04:16:15,260
but I'd actually like to conclude now, so it's not just fast, but it's also short. I'd like

2805
04:16:15,260 --> 04:16:22,880
to conclude that city staff and the chamber find the number of events that I've just mentioned

2806
04:16:22,880 --> 04:16:29,920
are currently and that are organized by the Chamber are adequately, they adequately provide

2807
04:16:29,920 --> 04:16:35,060
local artisans opportunities for marketing their wares within the City of Ohio.

2808
04:16:35,700 --> 04:16:41,700
And while the prospect of moving a couple of the daytime events to the evening would be

2809
04:16:41,700 --> 04:16:47,280
a good experiment for the Chamber, as well as the community if the Chamber chooses to move

2810
04:16:47,280 --> 04:16:54,840
forward with that. So, the council this evening has the option of taking no action or providing

2811
04:16:54,840 --> 04:17:00,420
staff with direction to do more research, however staff is recommending that the council

2812
04:17:00,420 --> 04:17:06,840
direct staff to continue upholding the municipal code as it is while continuing to work with the

2813
04:17:06,840 --> 04:17:13,520
chamber. Any questions for staff? Okay. Mr. Stangold and Mr. Miley.

2814
04:17:17,840 --> 04:17:20,020
Good evening. Personally,

2815
04:17:21,340 --> 04:17:31,040
I'm against night time markets only because it becomes a slippery slope once you allow one

2816
04:17:32,000 --> 04:17:40,580
Even if it's an experiment, it'll be tough to put the jeanie back in the bottle and now it's eight o'clock nine o'clock ten o'clock at night

2817
04:17:40,580 --> 04:17:47,480
The city of Ohio even on weekends tens of essentially shut down at eight o'clock and

2818
04:17:47,480 --> 04:17:53,400
time markets will increase traffic during the evening. It will increase noise. There will be

2819
04:17:53,400 --> 04:18:04,000
lights and it's just one more thing that's changing Ohio. I moved here because it's Ohio. I'm defending

2820
04:18:04,000 --> 04:18:11,700
Ohio. I'm an imbiom as bad as anybody. Some of the people have been here forever. Okay. Or good. It's

2821
04:18:11,700 --> 04:18:18,200
more action, more action, more action, and this more traffic at night, more people at night,

2822
04:18:18,480 --> 04:18:24,320
more things are going on, then they'll be, you know, I understand its economics, I understand

2823
04:18:24,320 --> 04:18:28,860
the businesses would hopefully generate more money. The clubs would be stay open, they'd

2824
04:18:28,860 --> 04:18:39,080
be open until 930. But it's just more business, more activity that I don't think the residents,

2825
04:18:39,680 --> 04:18:45,260
Even though they may be artists and the long haul would end up accepting because it's not just

2826
04:18:45,260 --> 04:18:51,800
It's now it's two then it becomes five then it becomes ten then it's become somebody who's not a member of the chamber

2827
04:18:51,800 --> 04:18:57,460
Now it's a non-profit wants to have a nighttime one. How are you going to say oh the chamber?

2828
04:18:57,460 --> 04:19:03,460
We can have one at night, but the non-profit can't now all of this you know you're getting you're opening up more

2829
04:19:05,900 --> 04:19:14,040
more genius, more activity, more action. And I understand, you know, that a lot of people

2830
04:19:14,040 --> 04:19:19,920
from inside the city want to have their stores, they want to have their shops. But I just

2831
04:19:19,920 --> 04:19:26,280
think that nine is enough, or nine during the day is enough, but not at night. I mean,

2832
04:19:26,420 --> 04:19:30,480
that's me. I mean, and I'll stay up till one o'clock in the morning. I don't care, but

2833
04:19:30,480 --> 04:19:36,960
I just don't, I just think that there's just way too many things for me on it night that people will at the end of the day, not like.

2834
04:19:38,220 --> 04:19:40,220
So thank you. Mr. Miley.

2835
04:19:49,450 --> 04:19:56,730
At the end of this administrative report, this statement is the focus of my comment.

2836
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:06,840
City staff and the R. Chamber of Commerce find a number of events currently organized by the Chamber,

2837
04:20:07,500 --> 04:20:15,060
in the held in the city, adequately provide local artisans opportunities for marketing their works.

2838
04:20:16,360 --> 04:20:24,800
While the proposed, by the prospect of moving a couple of the daytime events, tonight hours may be a good and firm ad.

2839
04:20:25,600 --> 04:20:28,860
For the Chamber as well as for the community. Okay, that's right.

2840
04:20:28,860 --> 04:20:34,020
focus on. Over the years my wife and I

2841
04:20:36,230 --> 04:20:58,910
have gotten to know and they after she passed I have several artists in town in the valley that we value a lot and thus we have become more tuned to the role that artists contributed to the aura

2842
04:20:58,910 --> 04:21:04,770
of our OI Valley, and it's historical remembrances,

2843
04:21:07,520 --> 04:21:11,940
what I did not find in this report was

2844
04:21:11,940 --> 04:21:20,120
a deliberate statement from the OI studio artist, the OI studio artist, that their artists

2845
04:21:20,120 --> 04:21:27,660
do not need any additional community nonprofit markets for showing their product, like

2846
04:21:27,660 --> 04:21:28,500
a night.

2847
04:21:28,500 --> 04:21:38,640
If that report, or study, or commentary from the OIS studio artists, can be produced,

2848
04:21:40,200 --> 04:21:47,800
then let further market events graduate, gradually evolve, don't consider night market.

2849
04:21:48,300 --> 04:21:53,600
Otherwise, if you don't have a statement from them, ask them.

2850
04:21:53,920 --> 04:21:54,400
Thank you.

2851
04:21:55,000 --> 04:21:55,780
Thank you, Mr. Miley.

2852
04:21:55,780 --> 04:21:58,100
Anything online, Mr. Montgomery?

2853
04:21:59,240 --> 04:21:59,980
Stand by, Mayor.

2854
04:22:00,180 --> 04:22:01,360
I was originally in our meeting.

2855
04:22:03,380 --> 04:22:04,140
No, no, raise hands.

2856
04:22:05,980 --> 04:22:06,240
Yes.

2857
04:22:07,300 --> 04:22:08,800
Well, I'll put a motion on the table.

2858
04:22:08,860 --> 04:22:09,920
Yeah, I'll hear it.

2859
04:22:10,360 --> 04:22:17,740
I will make a motion to direct the city manager to continue to uphold the Ohio Municipal Code,

2860
04:22:18,200 --> 04:22:21,220
while working with the chamber toward a potential not for profit.

2861
04:22:21,580 --> 04:22:21,780
Second.

2862
04:22:23,660 --> 04:22:26,020
I would like to discuss.

2863
04:22:28,480 --> 04:22:35,920
So when we had the meeting of all of the artisans, the local artisans,

2864
04:22:37,080 --> 04:22:43,760
they did not feel that these festivals were appropriate for their wares.

2865
04:22:44,360 --> 04:22:45,980
And they were pretty clear on that.

2866
04:22:46,760 --> 04:22:50,480
They did not feel that it was suited for their wares,

2867
04:22:51,180 --> 04:23:03,880
Which brings me to the point of, we look at the, I look at these artisans and I look at, for instance, at the Thursday community market, these are ways to incubate businesses.

2868
04:23:05,920 --> 04:23:19,360
These are, these are people that are attempting to find a way to have a, to make a living in Ohio, and it's not possible for them for brick and mortar.

2869
04:23:19,360 --> 04:23:29,220
This is an alternative way it cuts down, you know, overhead, therefore they need to make less and they can still survive.

2870
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:43,000
I mean, the brick and the mortar, I know that we talked about, you know, we had a lot of input from the brick and mortar stores about how it took away from their business and that they only get their business.

2871
04:23:43,000 --> 04:23:51,740
you know, on Saturday and I thought the discussion had moved towards allowing local artisans to

2872
04:23:51,740 --> 04:24:00,620
actually have these nonprofit markets. And somehow we ended up not going there, we ended up sort

2873
04:24:00,620 --> 04:24:09,860
of taking with the night markets. So a couple, and now we're down to, you know, sort of combining

2874
04:24:09,860 --> 04:24:16,960
the chamber, which I don't think has, you know, has maybe a few artisans, but it's a completely different

2875
04:24:19,220 --> 04:24:24,340
business, business model, the people who are members of the chamber, than the artisans.

2876
04:24:24,360 --> 04:24:29,180
And I'm not even really talking about the studio artists who basically have their studios.

2877
04:24:29,320 --> 04:24:32,540
You know, when they have, they have their studio Saturdays and things.

2878
04:24:32,540 --> 04:24:40,640
I'm talking about people that are creating individual objects for sale, whether it's clothing

2879
04:24:40,640 --> 04:24:43,640
or whatever it happens to be.

2880
04:24:44,080 --> 04:24:51,400
We're pulling the rug out from underneath them and we're saying that you can throw in

2881
04:24:51,400 --> 04:24:57,760
with the chamber and they were very clear that their audience does not come to the lavender

2882
04:24:57,760 --> 04:24:59,980
festival, that they're...

2883
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:08,320
Customers don't come from the Lavender Festival. We're just, for me, we're closing down a whole group of

2884
04:25:08,320 --> 04:25:16,980
O. High Artisans as a way for them to provide for themselves and stay in O. High.

2885
04:25:17,840 --> 04:25:24,960
Yeah, just to respond. This conversation I thought happened before. And my recollection is that, as you say,

2886
04:25:25,100 --> 04:25:29,620
the Thursday Farmers Market is a place where artisans are selling things, so it's not just what's listed here,

2887
04:25:29,620 --> 04:25:33,700
But it isn't, my impression is we're not pulling away the rug,

2888
04:25:33,920 --> 04:25:36,040
we're just keeping the existing policy.

2889
04:25:36,300 --> 04:25:38,900
So there's not a change, we're just persisting in what is.

2890
04:25:39,340 --> 04:25:42,880
And I thought there were a lot of businesses in town saying,

2891
04:25:43,160 --> 04:25:47,280
the difficulty of having markets where you had non-locals here,

2892
04:25:47,560 --> 04:25:50,440
that were selling things that the stores were selling also,

2893
04:25:50,460 --> 04:25:51,520
became a huge issue.

2894
04:25:52,340 --> 04:25:56,480
So to have that all again, sounds like you possibly want to revisit

2895
04:25:56,480 --> 04:25:57,860
the entire conversation again.

2896
04:25:57,860 --> 04:26:00,260
but I thought what's being requested is,

2897
04:26:00,260 --> 04:26:03,040
or proposed, is to continue from the learning

2898
04:26:03,040 --> 04:26:04,600
that happened, from that conversation.

2899
04:26:05,880 --> 04:26:07,420
That's how it appears to me, but.

2900
04:26:07,460 --> 04:26:07,880
Right.

2901
04:26:08,540 --> 04:26:10,500
So, let's go to, let's go to, is like.

2902
04:26:10,840 --> 04:26:14,660
Also, our current code allows for non-profit,

2903
04:26:15,320 --> 04:26:16,080
for non-profit.

2904
04:26:16,780 --> 04:26:18,580
It's been, like, a groups.

2905
04:26:19,360 --> 04:26:21,460
It's just for profit ones.

2906
04:26:22,000 --> 04:26:26,720
So, if a non-profit group wanted to have a market,

2907
04:26:28,280 --> 04:26:31,580
then at the women's club, for example, or go ahead.

2908
04:26:31,620 --> 04:26:32,340
They want one in the club.

2909
04:26:33,260 --> 04:26:33,640
Yeah, exactly.

2910
04:26:34,020 --> 04:26:35,000
Inside they can do it.

2911
04:26:35,700 --> 04:26:38,200
So would you like me to respond to this?

2912
04:26:38,260 --> 04:26:38,360
Yes, absolutely.

2913
04:26:39,720 --> 04:26:43,920
So inside it can be a for profit or a not for profit.

2914
04:26:44,760 --> 04:26:48,060
Outside they would require a temporary use from it.

2915
04:26:48,060 --> 04:26:49,320
And it would be for non-profit.

2916
04:26:49,860 --> 04:26:50,080
Right.

2917
04:26:50,080 --> 04:26:58,340
So, in addition to these, a non-profit entity could have an out-door market for local artists.

2918
04:26:59,240 --> 04:27:00,140
So, with the temporary...

2919
04:27:00,140 --> 04:27:00,240
Yes.

2920
04:27:01,920 --> 04:27:02,460
With the temporary...

2921
04:27:02,460 --> 04:27:03,020
It's temporary.

2922
04:27:04,120 --> 04:27:05,660
So, that's what the code provides currently.

2923
04:27:06,200 --> 04:27:10,080
So, again, the farmer's market is a great example where there are artists in there,

2924
04:27:10,160 --> 04:27:13,520
practically every week that there was even a theme that they're having more theme.

2925
04:27:14,280 --> 04:27:15,720
So, it doesn't seem to me there are those opportunities.

2926
04:27:16,560 --> 04:27:27,660
As I recall though, there was the willingness to give these conditional use permits because

2927
04:27:27,660 --> 04:27:33,700
of the complaints of traffic and am I not remembering that correctly that the idea would

2928
04:27:33,700 --> 04:27:36,960
be that we would be less willing to do that.

2929
04:27:36,960 --> 04:27:45,720
So we have not received an application from a non-profit for an outdoor market.

2930
04:27:45,960 --> 04:27:52,920
We've only received requests for for-profit markets, and those are, so that's how we ended up here.

2931
04:27:54,560 --> 04:28:02,100
To be fair, just to even take a step further, I put myself out there as the director

2932
04:28:02,100 --> 04:28:04,880
making the determination through these TEPs.

2933
04:28:05,080 --> 04:28:08,760
There is a wrinkle in the code that allows for that,

2934
04:28:08,760 --> 04:28:12,300
as long as it doesn't have an impact in the community.

2935
04:28:12,740 --> 04:28:15,560
And what we found when we did a six month study

2936
04:28:15,560 --> 04:28:17,880
with one of them, and actually two of them,

2937
04:28:17,880 --> 04:28:22,060
if I recall correctly, is that there was a resounding concern

2938
04:28:22,060 --> 04:28:24,020
that was coming for the business owners

2939
04:28:24,020 --> 04:28:25,200
and the property owners.

2940
04:28:25,720 --> 04:28:29,580
So it became kind of a workshop of sorts

2941
04:28:29,580 --> 04:28:37,260
that we had here, I don't know, a year ago, maybe, and then that led to us having discussion here,

2942
04:28:37,900 --> 04:28:43,020
and then saying, hey, let's think about, what about night markets? There's this workshop

2943
04:28:43,020 --> 04:28:47,960
that we're going to university, let's see what comes out of that, as well as reaching out to a

2944
04:28:47,960 --> 04:28:54,580
couple of other cities to see what sort of things come from that. What we're finding is that

2945
04:28:54,580 --> 04:29:01,240
markets may not necessarily be the pivot, but if there's an interest in expanding it or at least

2946
04:29:01,240 --> 04:29:06,720
trying it out and kicking the tires, the chamber is interested in potentially doing that.

2947
04:29:07,100 --> 04:29:11,160
You're hearing from the community if you open up that maybe you open up Pandora's box.

2948
04:29:11,300 --> 04:29:16,740
I'm not sure that I'm in that same category, because I think you can just as easily as I had

2949
04:29:16,740 --> 04:29:23,360
done with the six-month trial close that box once you kind of assess the situation.

2950
04:29:23,360 --> 04:29:29,520
Also the chambers in transition right now and and there's a new person directing in a consulting role

2951
04:29:29,520 --> 04:29:37,620
So we'll see how that emerges, but we'll be working with them as part to to your to your point in terms of there were I mean

2952
04:29:37,620 --> 04:29:38,600
We've

2953
04:29:38,600 --> 04:29:44,040
Mar and I have met with the individuals and the groups that are interested from the for-profit standpoint

2954
04:29:44,800 --> 04:29:50,500
We've told them their avenue is to figure out the the nonprofits status that has a different wrinkle to it

2955
04:29:50,500 --> 04:29:57,580
And it also gives back to the community. That's really kind of what we're looking at and from that's right. The code is looking for as well.

2956
04:29:57,600 --> 04:29:59,980
I see that. Right. So and and not

2957
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:08,100
On-profit status, versus a profit, you would actually have to get a nonprofit status, but a for-profit is anyone who is not a non-profit.

2958
04:30:08,380 --> 04:30:11,600
Exactly, right. Always have a non-profit that's running the show.

2959
04:30:12,320 --> 04:30:21,220
I was just going to say that, yeah, you could actually have any organizers create a co-op or a non-profit.

2960
04:30:22,000 --> 04:30:23,620
The sponsor needs to be a non-profit.

2961
04:30:24,080 --> 04:30:24,240
Right.

2962
04:30:24,240 --> 04:30:26,100
Like community farmers mark?

2963
04:30:27,880 --> 04:30:32,080
Okay, well, all right ready. We have a motion in a second

2964
04:30:32,960 --> 04:30:38,060
Yes, we do mayor roll call council member, man

2965
04:30:38,060 --> 04:30:41,340
Yes, mayor pretend like yes

2966
04:30:42,860 --> 04:30:45,220
Council member rule no

2967
04:30:46,400 --> 04:30:53,770
Mayor Gilman. Yes, council member with me. Yes, motion pass. Okay

2968
04:30:55,550 --> 04:31:04,250
any reports? I have one. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, the ad hoc float committee has been meeting.

2969
04:31:04,330 --> 04:31:16,030
Oh, yeah. And we are, we are going to, we are, and after I had to get rained in quite a bit,

2970
04:31:16,330 --> 04:31:22,490
because I had like wild ideas. Um, we are hoping to, and I'd like to add this as an agenda item.

2971
04:31:22,490 --> 04:31:26,770
we were hoping to present our renderings

2972
04:31:26,770 --> 04:31:30,070
and creative brief at the next meeting.

2973
04:31:31,230 --> 04:31:31,830
Thank you, Juno.

2974
04:31:31,930 --> 04:31:32,930
Time to work on things.

2975
04:31:33,350 --> 04:31:33,950
Exactly.

2976
04:31:35,590 --> 04:31:35,730
Yeah.

2977
04:31:36,150 --> 04:31:36,950
Statue of Liberty.

2978
04:31:37,230 --> 04:31:38,450
I'm not going to be in town.

2979
04:31:41,930 --> 04:31:42,530
Yeah.

2980
04:31:45,030 --> 04:31:46,350
I have two short things.

2981
04:31:46,530 --> 04:31:49,830
One is a week from today in this room at 6 o'clock.

2982
04:31:49,830 --> 04:31:54,190
They'll be a student council, city of Ohio, student council meeting, you're all about our

2983
04:31:54,190 --> 04:31:59,750
come, if you wish, and it'll be Christy Rivera, Parks and Rec, interim director, making a

2984
04:31:59,750 --> 04:32:04,190
presentation to students and getting their ideas, you're interested, and then the other

2985
04:32:04,190 --> 04:32:09,810
thing which you saw in the report is we did meet with the commander of Vanderberg and his team

2986
04:32:09,810 --> 04:32:16,030
and next steps will be really interesting, but trying to work with the base on sonic booms and

2987
04:32:16,030 --> 04:32:20,130
working on science of that and trying to understand the impacts in different

2988
04:32:20,130 --> 04:32:23,770
terrains and hopefully we can make it easier for our visit.

2989
04:32:26,460 --> 04:32:30,820
Yes, sure. I've found out

2990
04:32:37,700 --> 04:32:42,620
that it's a service that I want to do we get.

2991
04:32:42,960 --> 04:32:47,240
You know, can we get our money back and we renegotiate?

2992
04:32:47,460 --> 04:32:50,720
Because I think when we agreed to that service,

2993
04:32:50,720 --> 04:32:56,180
They knew something was in the works. It did not to say that we don't have money where poor all of that stuff

2994
04:32:57,080 --> 04:32:59,100
Doesn't sit well. So I don't

2995
04:33:01,750 --> 04:33:07,550
Even if you wanted to not assign motive you could simply say they have more resources than they did in before the

2996
04:33:07,550 --> 04:33:10,690
So we can at least say okay, she are the well

2997
04:33:12,490 --> 04:33:14,830
Well, they did very great

2998
04:33:15,630 --> 04:33:20,350
That's what I mean. Yeah, so so we can change things that we can certainly request that

2999
04:33:22,030 --> 04:33:30,390
I agree, but I will say that the entirety of those funds were granted for two facilities,

3000
04:33:30,530 --> 04:33:35,170
to build two facilities, so it's not like they have this extra money, but they put in for

3001
04:33:35,170 --> 04:33:40,730
grants for two facilities. And you know, that's important. Just saying.

3002
04:33:42,970 --> 04:33:48,250
Anything else? Mr. Harvey, nothing? No report. Okay, meeting adjourned.