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We will begin today with an indication by senior pastor Russell Taylor of Covenant Baptist Church of Crestview, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance of Colors from the Occlusive County Department of Corrections Honor Guard, the Pledge will be led by Captain Brian Graham.

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Pastor, if you will please stand with us.

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Let's pray. Holy Father, I come to you this morning in the name of Christ to you as all authority

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in heaven and earth, and certainly that includes this place. Father, we pray that as you were

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ordained government for your purpose and your glory, I just pray that you would impart wisdom to

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our civil servants to perform justice for the people of this community, and that you would

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help us to be guided and your wisdom according to your word.

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Father, we pray that your kingdom of come, your will would be done on earth as it is in heaven and Christ's name. Amen.

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands one nation under God and divisible liberty and justice for

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all.

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Next to be our county administrators update, Mr. Huffson.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commissioners, Happy New Year to everyone and I will be brief.

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I have just a few items I need to brief the board on.

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Firstly, you have a consent agenda item number two, which is the Board Chairman's selection

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of the Commission Reform, it's ever revised the list of circulated to each of the commissioners.

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Very simply, we may change this with the county extension and the property of Fraser's

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liaison appointment, and the only other change is we notice that the bylaws of the Choctat

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T. Bayesh, where a coalition required an alternate appointment as well, so the Chairman selected

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the Commissioner Goodwin as the alternate appointment to that.

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So those are the only changes with that, I'll submit that to the record and I've also submitted a copy of the clerk's office.

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And last few items, I just wanted to brief the board that we are preparing to close on the bank property.

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South and across you is the board well-known.

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That's the property we're looking to purchase for a North and welcome center for TDD.

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Hope to close on that property here in the next two weeks.

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And lastly, just want to remind the board.

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Our next meeting on the 16th of January also follows a holiday,

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So that is an afternoon meeting, a one thirty start in our shell, a mart in administration building. So with that Mr. Chairman, that's all I have.

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Thank you, Mr. Shaharan. How are the attorneys up there?

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Thank you Mr. Chairman. I have no updates today, but just wanted to wish everyone happy new year.

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Mr. Clerk.

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Thank you Mr. Chairman, after you're there by and hope you had good holidays.

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I just wanted to mention one thing.

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We are in the throes of the annual audit.

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That usually starts as we close the books in September and goes into the new year.

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I want to always give my appreciation for all the department heads and department staff who

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work with the auditors and the finance department.

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There's a lot of work going on now with that.

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That'll pick up pace as we get close to it.

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I think we wish you to, or the one I would issue to a couple of the constitutionals

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in draft form.

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And so we're making good headway, but I did want a good chance to express my thanks to all the

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county staff who worked with the auditors in our finance team for that important work that we do.

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Thank you. Take this time to have a recognition of our chairman from 2023, Commissioner Goodwin,

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fantastic leadership and just a great servant opportunity of watching you lead as our chairman

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throughout the county and the ways that you stepped into that role tremendously serving

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on the value adjustment board with you the first year when you decided I needed to be chair

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of that. I didn't care that much for you in the moment.

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But growing from there and being able

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to watch your leadership as chair, to the commission, and emulate that.

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Thank you for the way that you serve.

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Thank you for the way you serve the constituents of your district, but also the entire county.

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So we have a plaque for you that I'd like to take a moment to have a photo and to present

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you with the plaque.

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Mr. Chairman, I do appreciate the kind words, but I want to note that everyone, he made darn

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sure this one was glued down real good.

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Chairman May act for a second.

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I sort of compliment, Commissioner Goodwin, on the excellent job he did as Chairman, and

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you did a very nice article this morning on front page of the Daily News for those of us

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who still read the Daily News on the front page.

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And I think, you know, I keep wondering, people keep asking, what's the secret sauce in

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Oguz County?

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Why do you all get along so well?

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And many of our neighboring counties do not get along well.

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And I think the reason is, is because like Ronald Reagan, we know that if nobody wants the credit, we can get a lot done.

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And it seems like we leave our egos checked at the door.

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And I just wanted to say that thank you for your leadership.

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You've been so fun to work with.

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You've been, you and I came in together and it's been great.

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Just being your co-worker and seeing the things that you've accomplished.

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Thanks, Tray.

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Thank you, Commissioner.

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Yes, please.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I want to appreciate that, you're a great leader, and I noticed even before I

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had the honor to come to serve with this great team that we have, witness first

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in what you did, even during the COVID year, and your leadership at that point

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time, or we needed someone to sustain up and do that, was exceptional, and this

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past year was no different. To serve on you, this team is a great honor, but to

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Obviously, you know, a new chairman coming in, we'll have exactly the same type of leadership

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and expectations, but I just want to say thank you for setting a good example that

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we could all be proud of.

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No, we'll move to public comments.

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I'd like to remind you, you have three minutes to talk about whatever item you choose.

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We'll begin with Tom Daniel.

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Just push the button.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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My name is Tom Daniel.

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I'm with Florida Trail Association, I'm on the Board of Directors, and I'm here to support

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of a pedestrian bridge across the Yellow River.

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You know, from a standpoint of the Florida Trail Association, the Crest View is already a destination

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for hikers.

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So what we want to do is try to increase that and bring more hikers to this area.

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And other, you know, not so much hikers, but just people interested in seeing things.

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And the yellow river bridge would be a big enhancement to the north end of the county and draw a tourist to this part of the county.

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The Crest view is already a gateway community for the Florida Trail Association.

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And in that sense, it's already a major lodging for hikers coming through and a resupply point.

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So the Florida National Scenic Trail, which is a Florida Trail, we already have a presence in the near county.

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We have, for the last 20 years, we've maintained a hiking trail on an echelon air force base.

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And, you know, that is a tracks people from all over the world, really.

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There's about 60 miles of trail in echelon air force base that our volunteers maintain.

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And with the Forest Service, the US Forest Service is our major partner.

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The trail is already attacks attracting tourists and revenue to this area.

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If you, you know, just to get an example, go to our trailhead, which is just south of the

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Shull River on Highway 85, and in any morning, there's a dozen or more, and sometimes as

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many as 20 and 30 cards there, people using the trail.

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I would ask that each of you, you know, if you have an opportunity to take your family for a

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and place, you know, go out.

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There's actually about seven different trailheads

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on echelon air force base that we

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and where you can access the trail.

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For my standpoint, you know, that trail right now,

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it's open to bird blockers, runners,

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echelon uses a lot for their people.

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The pedestrian bridge over the yellow river

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would close a major gap in our system of trail,

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which runs all the way from Naples, Florida, to Fort Piggins, by Pensacola, and we just thank

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you very much for your consideration on this.

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So, what would you like to take a minute, those people in support of the bridge, would you

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stand just briefly?

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Thank you very much, and that's really all I say.

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I appreciate the opportunity, and thank you very much for the opportunity to speak.

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Thank you.

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James Wilson.

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Good afternoon everyone. My name is James Wilson and I'm a chair of the talk

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to hatch a chapter which we maintain the trail that's in Oklahoma and in Wulton County.

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The Florida Trail is like a linear national park without the Rangers and it's pretty much

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free, except for an exception of permit for eggland reservation.

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It's a portal, really, that people who engage in it, it opens them up to the natural world

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of nature.

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It's solitary, communal, it's word, lists, and wordy.

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But this last weekend, well, actually, the New Year's Day, we had a day hike, and we actually

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hike the Cimmer on Trail, portion of it, which goes from 85 to dead ends in Yellow River.

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And it was a soggy, bottom portion of it.

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And I heard comments like I would often hear like, wow, this is really cool, this is, this

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beautiful. Well, that's the section that really through hikers never see, because they're having

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to circumnavigate around that area on busy highways.

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So that this pedestrian bridge is going

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to open that up. And by the way, if it does, it will be one of the longest sections as

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uninterrupted by a wide roadway.

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I think it's a, it will be a jewel.

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It will be something that was showcased this area

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and that people throughout the state of Florida

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and otherwise will find it's just a spectacular view

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and spectacular experience.

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And it's right here in Oklahoma,

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the County and I hope you'll give it consideration.

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Dave Hinsley?

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County commissioners and county officials.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak for the kind of commissioners like to update you on two areas of interest.

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As you wear the floor department, Vermont Protection FVP is currently conducting a desktop review of documentation pertaining.

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Of their comprehensive environmental response compensation and liability act, Circula, I've been in contact with Allison Hankens, FDEP Circula Manager, regarding the legendary co-subdivision.

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I had provided her with a statement from our former employee that had briefed to last in back in November.

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During our conversation, she indicated that if the EP contested the backyards of homes adjacent

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to the Asphoma asphalt plant for the presence of petrochemicals.

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So, together with some concerned citizens, we are going to contact 14 homes along Shirley

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and North Rive asking permission.

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We got permission from a 10 or 11 homeowners, which was good.

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On December 15th, I submitted that list in Miss Hankens, so she has that list now.

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Secondly, last week I spoke with Kay Rasmuson, Associate Director at Economic Development

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of Oklahoma's County, and she's the member of the Florida Defense Support Task Force

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regarding rumors I'd heard about the former Piquito military family housing area.

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And she provide me with the end update also in the more insight than I asked for.

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First of all, with the former military family housing area, the 96 test-wing plans to

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lease this property, similar to what the county did with Jay Odom, and the property

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adjacent to, I think, the jail and the bureaucrats. This would be mixed use, small businesses,

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shops and recales, and she said with the possibility of apartments and work count homes.

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They plan to hold an industry day, some time in their future solicit requests for proposals

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from local state and national developers.

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Then she told me about the University Board of Research

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Engineering Education Research Center, the Reef,

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they're going to do a research and development technology

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campus.

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This is about 98 acres, and they're going to, again,

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same thing at some point in their future request

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proposals from local state and national developers

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develop this 98 acres into any research and development

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campus right there.

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So now we have led a very close subdivision with about 250 vehicles in our neighborhood.

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Next we got victory village coming down the pike over a 10 to 15 year period.

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Now we've got these two other pieces of land that are going to be developed.

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So now it's more important than ever that the County Commissioner and the County Grove

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Management folks really pay attention and look forward in regarding to traffic, water

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sewer and other important aspects and we need to plan this thing right.

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Thank you.

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Mark Folk,

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Mark Folk, I'm from Descent Florida, and what I wanted to talk about was in the development of the Yellow River Bridge, I thought I would add on to the fact that we are eliminating about a 20 mile road walk, which is a safety concern for the people walking along the road.

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In addition to that, I thought it would be a good idea in the future to come up with plans

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for possibly a kayak launch and even picnic tables around that area and a kiosk where the

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entry to the bridge would be if it's approved and also possibly one day I was county campground in

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So a lot of the options that could go into this besides that and even fight paths away from there to make, I know I've been reading about they wanted to make

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Crescue sort of what they were investing in the tourist development council investing into

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Making this sort of a eco-chairs and areas sort of like South Walton County and

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and thought, you know, this would all be, this would be a one piece of the puzzle.

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So, that's what I would like to say, and I'll, you know, please give that some more consideration.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Faust.

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Commissioner, is next week are they consent agenda?

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Mr. Chairman, before we take up a motion, I'd like to pull item 11, or discussion.

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Second, discussion.

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Do you have another item?

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No, I'm just trying to figure out why I'm in the middle, Mr. Chairman.

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You've got your last words.

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You've got your last words.

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You've got your last words.

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All in favor, the consent agenda of mine is 11.

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Signify with I.

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Can you oppose the carries unanimously?

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Commissioner Goodwin.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I just had a question about item 11.

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And Mr. Shah, this may be one that you want to look at for us.

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It looks like a pretty simplistic, you know, kind of run into the male requisition for some

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new mowers or mower equipment, but attached to the requisition documentation on the item.

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At the very end, is an additional document called a rental contract agreement.

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I didn't think we were actually renting these and so I don't know what meaning the agreement really has.

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But here's the reason I'm questioning it because I want to make sure we're not approving it.

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Item 10 on that additional page is called an indemnity and hold harmless harmless agreement.

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And it talks about where the county would be indemnifying and holding harmless the vendor, including the agreement to defend the vendor as well.

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And those are all terms I think we're usually pretty shy about agreeing to, and so I just wanted to bring that up.

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And sorry to have a chance to talk to you about it before the meeting, but I just caught that last page.

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Last night when I was taking one more look through it and it kind of jumped out at me.

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Certainly, since we are presenting this agreement, this rental contract agreement should not apply.

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this isn't OMB's, I'm trying to see if there's anyone

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who can have a department, but we'll make sure that this

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doesn't get executed by the board.

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I think it would be great.

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I guess this is no MBI, so maybe if your office could kind of follow up

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with OMB, I don't know if they have anybody here or now, but follow up

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with them, it may be, you know, make sure that we're not only on this

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one, maybe, but even on others that we're not letting some of this stuff

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kind of, you know, see if it's way into the things we're

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proven, because, I mean, again, I don't like to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but

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as you can probably appreciate indemnity agreements can be those kind of things that look

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like nothing until they are something, and then there are bad something.

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And so I just want to make sure, but it could, it would be appropriate if I made an emotion

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in the literature if that's okay, that we would accept it without the additional sheet

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We're going to contract agreement attached, just to make sure we're not approving that.

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Yes, I think that would be appropriate.

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I'll second that.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Motion by Commissioner Goodwin, the second by.

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All right.

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Commissioner Ketchel, all in favor, sing followed by.

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All right.

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Can you pose?

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Passes unanimously.

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So we have four public hearings today.

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The first is a public hearing to consider authorizing the county's water and sewer departments

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to construct the Oklahoma's Island Water Main Replacement Project utilizing county staff and equipment.

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Last Mr. Hackett to present this item.

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Good afternoon, commissioners and happy new year.

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We had presented this project in the November 21 meeting.

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It's a six phase water replacement project on the northwest side of Oklahoma's Island.

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The system is probably circa 1960, so as well in need of being replaced will phase it in complete starting with phase 2, and then probably moving to phase 3, would like to get started around the end of 2024, maybe 2025.

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When you look at the phase map, you can see it's not in linear order, that's because the phases are categorized.

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What we feel to be most important all the way through to, certainly not least important.

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But they are in a sense, numbered in terms of what we feel is needed.

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Phase one is maybe a little bit to jump into, so we're going to go into phase two first and then probably phase three.

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It will be multi-year, we'll be working it in with other projects.

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We've done this many times before and has proven to be very successful and provides a variety

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of benefits for us to perform it in house in terms of being able to coordinate, being able

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to serve customers better with issues, also no contractor overhead or profit, things of

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So what's the less benefits to do it this way is extensive and we were asking for permission to proceed in-house.

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For this public hearing, I do have one speaker card.

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If any other member of the public is here to speak on this, Mr. Tomochak has cards in the back of the room.

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But the first speaker card I have is for Mr. Brian Harrington.

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Honorable Chairman, there's two much more members.

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I'm going to be as Brian Harrington, I live in San Francisco for Pelican Drive,

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I'm also the president of Oakland Island, Lee Silver Association.

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Safe and modern water supplies, paramounts,

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I'm important to all the island residents, all of our visitors.

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The water lines of Oakland Island, as Mr. Michael had mentioned,

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to plug in around 60, maybe 70 years.

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When they were designed, the island only had

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a handful of hotels, a couple of hotels,

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a few single-family homes.

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Engineers in the 50s, probably, didn't

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foresee the amount of customers

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these lines would wind up serving in modern times.

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Really a month goes by when Oakland County Water

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and Sewer Workers aren't outperforming repairs

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on some of the water lines on the island.

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Just last couple of months, I've seen repairs on Pelican Drive,

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off an old sailfish and tarpon, just in the last couple of months.

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Oculus County Water Sewers always responded swiftly and I think they should be

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commanded for keeping these ancient supply lines serviceable for as long as they have.

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Oculus Water and Sewers' organization most experienced with these water lines as they've been servicing them for the last

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six years.

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And one would reason they'd be the best suited to undertake this project.

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That said, we do have a few questions from my constituents about the project itself.

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One of the regards to the timeline is the county, one of the sewer workers that are able

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to maintain state ahead of a timeline versus a private contractor.

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And if so, would it be possible for the constituents on the island to get just a rough calendar,

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maybe a monthly calendar that says, a during this month?

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This is what we anticipate as far as interruptions of service or traffic pattern changes or anything like that.

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I wouldn't think that anything more frequent than once a month would be in order to get something that's possible.

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A couple of other questions are, of course, the floor at least the nation and protecting the water supply.

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And I'm sure that protective measures will be put in place to ensure that there's no cross-contamination for the public on the island.

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I've no doubt that Oklahoma's waters, or as fully cable, were accomplishing this task in a timely manner.

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I'm certain that once it's completed, the project is going to enhance the quality of life for all of us and all of visitors on Oklahoma's island.

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Honorable Chairman, and board members, thanks for your consideration and your service over this campus.

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Thank you, Chair.

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So anyone else from the public wishing to speak to this time?

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This time we'll close the public hearing in the action from the board.

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Chairman?

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Thanks.

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Well, this is my board and I'm very, this is my district, not my board, this is my board too.

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And I'm very excited about this project, the repaving, the beautiful new roads that we're

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going to put in out there.

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And hopefully we're going to be able to bury the power lines, which would be so wonderful.

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and hopefully all that's going to come together about the same time.

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So I'd like to make a motion for approval and see if I get a second.

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Thank you very much.

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The motion by Commissioner Kessel, the second by Commissioner Ponder.

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you, Mr. appreciate that.

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I didn't wonder this has to do you think that the timeline he's asking for would be adequate

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that once you've got to get maybe within six months of getting whatever the timeline might be.

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You can at least keep the constituents surprised of what's going on.

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I don't know if that's how pressing that might be to do.

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However, I think if there's a 30,000, some sort of,

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you know, communications stream might be good.

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Even if there's just once a month or once,

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there'd be a couple of months or something like that.

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Are you able to maybe meet that request for them?

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Yes, sir.

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I think Mr. Harrington.

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I'd be happy to meet with you.

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And let's establish a relationship early on.

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We will have to acquire materials, we are still going to have to finish design, and so that's why we're looking at probably toward the end of 2024.

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We do have other projects that we're considering.

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And so in terms of once we get started working within a phase, absolutely, I think we can really...

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Meet your need. Maybe even better than what you're asking for in terms of scheduling and letting you know what to expect and who to contact if there is a problem.

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In terms of phase to phase, that's going to be a little bit, that's going to be a little more challenging. Not that it's impossible. We still want to get it completed in a certain amount of time.

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We have it within a certain five-year capital project allocation, and so we still have to get a certain complete in a certain amount of time.

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You need to understand if one was to start this project and go all the way through without any interruptions.

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You're still looking at a two-year project.

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So this is a weekend or a month long project, but we will certainly, if you're the one who I could work with as a representative for the whole community, I'd love to.

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I want to, I guess, see the structures in the room, too.

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In my way of thinking, maybe this is not realistic, but I was hopeful that once we disrupt

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that area out there with roads and power lines and water, we're doing this kind of simultaneously

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and not roads first and then water's going in and I thought it was kind of happening at the same

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time.

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This project is not part of the Santa Rosa Boulevard.

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It is not.

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improvements, we will coordinate with public works in

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Mr. Alchry, but likely when that particular project comes

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online, we'll install a singular line that will form a

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manifold for supply to each one of these neighborhoods.

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So do you intend to do this before we begin the road project?

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Well, we'll be primarily working just within the neighborhoods

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within the phase is staying off of Santa Rosa Boulevard.

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There may be a time limit in the neighborhoods.

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Okay, but not at the same time as the roads going in.

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That's correct.

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Okay, so that's not going to be as coordinated as I'd hope for disruption.

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It actually is heavily coordinated.

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In fact, Mike and I have sent some emails back and forth.

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The work we're doing for the Sanor's of all of our improvements is a long Sanor's of all of our.

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So they're talking about doing it north of Sanor's of all of our.

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So we are actually going to be tearing those roads up per se.

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The work that is done with the electrical, if that goes underground is all done through.

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or it's not tearing up the roadway in the house.

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So it will be, they're not undoing something

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that we're gonna redo later on.

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We're not gonna undo something they do now.

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When we get to Santa Rosa Boulevard,

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absolutely, we're gonna do those all at one or all things.

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So that way we don't tear it up, put a water line out,

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tear it up, put a electric down, tear it up, put a road down.

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So we were very clear to make sure that these phases

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were off of the main roadway.

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Okay, that's what I wanted to hear.

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Thank you.

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One thing to consider, when we're in the neighborhood,

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we're not gonna be necessarily tearing up the road.

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We'll saw cut the trench for the pipe installation and where we can be off the road certainly

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we're going to do that and we'll go back and forth for services and we'll do some

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mainland times because of the water main supply is on the opposite side but that boring

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shouldn't disrupt any traffic flow.

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Thank you.

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Thank you both.

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Any further discussion?

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Chairman, just real quickly. First, Mr. Authrie, that is some very attractive face for her in the

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true group here in the holiday season. I just wanted to make note of that.

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The second, not that I was stationed for a compliment or anything. Second, to the point

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about the reason this is in front of us today, which is because the self-performance of a contract

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of the size, I will say that our order to its department is, all of my fellow commissioners

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has a long history of successfully performing these projects and we have seen at least on one occasion

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that we're actually trying to compel us to put the work out for bid and require that we

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actually bid for our all work in which case we were able to successfully show once again that we

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can do the work more timely at lower cost because we have, you know, through the years the department

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has cultivated those construction teams in house and so I don't, you know, Mr. Hackett's new leadership

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But I think that organization remains there and less than until they prove otherwise.

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I certainly will continue to support, you know, these requests to conduct that self-performance.

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Thank you.

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All in favor, thank you for that.

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All right.

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And you pose.

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Passes unanimously.

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The second public hearing is to consider a request for future land use map amendment.

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Resonating and land development code amendment.

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This is a quasi-judicial hearing, and I will turn it over to Miss Socialist.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As you mentioned, this is an agenda item, or public hearing

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to consider the future ninety-some amendment rezoning, then the billman code amendment on behalf

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of the bill, a quick, quick plantation relating to property located north of Highway 90, just

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east of Boxx Airport. Since this is a quasi-judicial hearing, now I'll be happy to swear

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anyone who plans on speaking, if you'll please stand and raise your right hand, do you swear

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or firm that the testimony shall give, shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but.

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I do.

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Thank you.

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Also, commissioners, now would be the appropriate time to disclose any expert take

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communications you may have had on this matter.

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I have multiple meetings on both sides, but none that will impact my decision.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I will turn it over to Mr. Campord.

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Thank you.

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So, Shahar, good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission.

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Welcome to 2024.

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This is actually a three-part packet covered as one discussion item, because they are also

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related.

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Don't you have here as petition 534-016-BCC-2023, and 534-019-BCC-2023, which is a request

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to amend the Future Landious Map and an associated rezoning for 125 acres, which is shown

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In the package of the subject property, we can move forward a little bit.

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Okay, to south of the airport road, to the east of Casey Ridge Road, as you see on

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the arrow photo graph there.

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The purpose of this is to change the designation of this land from rural residential to

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low-density residential, because the proximity to our own airport, as well as concerns from

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the regular four space.

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In addition to the feature-line swap, I mean the rezoning, we're also asking the Board of

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commissioners to amend the Land Development Code to create a special section, which would be

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3-0, let 3.11.00, the 125-acre Willow Creek Plantation at Crestview Overlay District.

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The overlay will limit the density of the property to 250 residential units, which is

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two units per acre.

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Estelle, which I have limitation required dark-star lighting principles, and provide coordination

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with agonair force base.

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If deducted by the board, these mems recent the Florida Commerce Department for Final

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agency review and take effect 31 days later in accordance with the Florida Statutes.

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I would like to enter the rest of the staff reporting to the record, you know, by reference.

445
00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:06,730
The board has already seen this once when they did the Transmittal, he said today's

446
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:07,190
reduction.

447
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:11,170
The Planning Commission recommended approval to propose for each of the latest map amendment

448
00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:15,170
rezoning as the proposed amendment to the kind of land development code by an end of

449
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:17,410
this vote during this meeting in August 10, 2023.

450
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:23,190
The military representative did not provide written comments, nor did they show up at the meeting,

451
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:25,550
but they did provide a letter of support, which is in the packet.

452
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:29,290
The applicant has provided a letter of support from Eglom.

453
00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:34,450
The agenda was properly advertised, the Northwest Florida Daily News on December 18, 2023,

454
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:38,810
and public notice via certified return receipt letters were provided all property owners

455
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:45,110
within a 300-foot radius perception 11.02 of the loose accountable envelope record.

456
00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:49,930
Staff has no objections to the proposed amendment rezoning and creation over the overlay.

457
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:53,450
Staff recommends the board consider this report.

458
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:56,870
This testimony is afternoon and he testimony may hear the public hearing.

459
00:37:57,450 --> 00:38:00,210
And then approve the conference of plan amendment rezoning and Oakley's

460
00:38:00,210 --> 00:38:03,270
Kind of land development code amendment for the 125th vehicle.

461
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:06,930
Willow Creek plantation across the overlay district.

462
00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:08,890
This would be to my three separate motions.

463
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:12,370
Starting with the large scale future land use map amendment.

464
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:17,750
Second motion be move approval of the rezoning and the third motion to be to move

465
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:21,970
approval of the Warden's establishing section 3.11 of the land development code.

466
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:25,710
We have to answer any questions and the applicant's agent is here.

467
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:32,370
I've put it up on the screen so you can kind of orient to what it is today, which is what

468
00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:36,170
would be going to if it goes to lead us to the racial subject to the other way.

469
00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:37,970
We have to answer any questions.

470
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:42,960
Mr. Greer.

471
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,620
I'm going to come forward on behalf of the applicant.

472
00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:45,580
Good

473
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:54,670
afternoon. My name is Ray Greer. My address is 2910.

474
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:58,770
Carrie Forge Parkway, Tallahassee Floor, and I am the applicant's representative.

475
00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:05,710
As Elliott mentioned, we are planning an overlay district that will apply to this property.

476
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:08,930
And this overlay district does multiple things.

477
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:15,030
One of it is the biggest thing it does is to address not only eggplant air force base

478
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:18,570
and the low level flight corridor that travels through this area,

479
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:20,790
but also the proximity to Bob Cites Airport.

480
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:25,450
So in doing the development restrictions that are contained

481
00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:28,670
within the overlay, just such as limiting density,

482
00:39:29,290 --> 00:39:31,790
not only makes this compatible with this surrounding area

483
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:33,070
and the subdivision to the north,

484
00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:36,250
which is the Willow Creek Plantation phase one.

485
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:39,650
But it also makes it consistent with eggland.

486
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:43,410
It also reduces the lighting issues that occur

487
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:45,110
when you have residential subdivisions

488
00:39:45,110 --> 00:39:48,230
the urban development near airports and then flight corridors.

489
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:51,770
We are proposing dark sky requirements in here,

490
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:53,490
which we'll have down lighting.

491
00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:55,010
All the lighting will be directed down.

492
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:58,170
They will not impose an issue at night for night flying.

493
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:59,230
We do have high limits.

494
00:39:59,950 --> 00:40:01,870
We are proposing a single family subdivision.

495
00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:03,510
We have a high limit of 35 feet.

496
00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:07,850
This will be the third phase of the Willow Creek Plantation

497
00:40:07,850 --> 00:40:08,510
subdivision.

498
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:12,670
It is connected to Wayne Rogers Road through Willow Creek.

499
00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:15,470
We do intend to work with the county.

500
00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:18,470
We've been having several discussions with the county on,

501
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:22,430
bringing a road in from Fairchild to provide an alternative access.

502
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:27,850
So it have another access point that would also benefit not only this development phase three,

503
00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:33,450
but it also benefit phase one to the Willow Creek Plantation subdivision.

504
00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:39,810
And then in addition to it, we wanted to in the same right away that goes through the airport

505
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:45,470
So authorities property connect sewer lines too, what we want to do is provide a sewer line

506
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:48,890
connection from the county up through this new proposed road.

507
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:52,010
We'd like to build an inner and into the back of the subdivision.

508
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:56,790
We would loop it through the subdivision and provide not only sanctuary sewer to this area,

509
00:40:57,010 --> 00:41:00,070
but also pull a water and bring it back out the fair child.

510
00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:06,390
So it will provide a looping ability for the Auburn water authority and it will also provide

511
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:09,690
for additional connections to the Oklahoma City County sewer.

512
00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:13,310
I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.

513
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:19,950
Is there anyone else from the Public Met Designers to speak to this item?

514
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:26,430
At this time, we'll close the public hearing.

515
00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:29,910
Would anyone like to make a motion to approve a disapprove?

516
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:31,830
I'll tell you, it isn't my district.

517
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:33,530
I am in favor.

518
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:37,730
There's been many meetings and conversations so far to get us to this point.

519
00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:39,570
I'd love to hear the pleasure of board.

520
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:43,850
Mr. Chairman, I'll move approval.

521
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,720
Mr. Soshihara, I suggested we take these in three different motions, and so we'll take

522
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,460
that as a motion for approval on the large scale future land use map amendment.

523
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,320
Yes, sir.

524
00:41:57,410 --> 00:42:01,570
Motion by Commissioner Boyles, a second by Commissioner Ponder. Any further discussion?

525
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:06,330
In favour?

526
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:07,850
Oh yes, sir.

527
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:11,970
Mr. Chairman, just real quick, and I do support our vote in favour of it.

528
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:16,130
Just seeing like an opportunity for a quick question, you know, we're talking about the

529
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:24,390
issues with, I think, protecting the aviation uses at the airport with the dark skylighting

530
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:25,490
of those sorts of things.

531
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:31,930
But it kind of brings up an issue that I suspect Commissioner Ponder's far too familiar with

532
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:38,510
is as we develop in and around an airport, you know, how do we, what are we looking at

533
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:43,210
managing, I guess, the end user of the residential properties

534
00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:44,830
compatibility of the airport.

535
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:49,690
I know that, you know, and I think you know,

536
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:51,170
you know, I'm talking about the Destiny airport

537
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:52,730
and the challenge is that's brought, right?

538
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:56,390
And there's a good argument that I've heard from some folks,

539
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:59,270
but it doesn't really solve anything

540
00:42:59,270 --> 00:43:02,170
when you say, well, the airport is their first true.

541
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:05,350
But doesn't mean that people don't get disturbed

542
00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:07,590
by noise and aviation stuff.

543
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:14,730
So again, I'll vote in support of this one, but just what are we looking at to kind of

544
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:20,930
manage that those competing interests as residential development gets closer to the Bob

545
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:25,950
Psyches Airport, because I suspect this is just going to keep happening as the north

546
00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:28,710
end of the county is becoming more urbanized.

547
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:32,030
There's two parts of that answer.

548
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:36,010
The first part is, if you look at the map on the screen, you'll see where that purple

549
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:42,230
kind of color cuts diagonally across, that's not a weird cardographic mistake.

550
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:48,990
Basically, the state several years ago put in place requirement that the county governments

551
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:53,470
and the city government, the governor, put in place airport compatible zoneings.

552
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:56,810
And that marks the area of airport compatibility zone.

553
00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:01,430
Within that purple area, residential density is very highly constrained.

554
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:08,670
And within the gray, which is your airport industrial type uses, we would not allow a rezoning

555
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:10,810
to allow residential to creep in there.

556
00:44:11,230 --> 00:44:15,990
The compound and the land development code space specifically states that those lands are supposed

557
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:18,210
to be for aviation cloudable uses.

558
00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:19,930
That's why it was set up that way.

559
00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:25,970
Unfortunately, because that statute came about long after people had plated in that area.

560
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:30,870
There were some subdivisions and existing lots that were more or less recognized by what we

561
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:36,930
call the AC1, which is 1 unit per unit or an AC.5, which is the half-acre sawslots in recognition

562
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:39,830
of the prior plating and development platter that had occurred.

563
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:46,290
But as of 2006, when that was created, that line got drawn and so from here on forward,

564
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:51,210
we're not going to be hopefully seeing any more increases of intensity within the designated

565
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:53,270
zone that's 5,000 feet from the runway.

566
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:54,310
This is where that goes.

567
00:44:54,310 --> 00:44:57,750
That's why I should look on the maps to see like a big overlap around the runway.

568
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:59,970
So, if I'm here and you're right, I'm kind of like...

569
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:09,240
This particular property is just right outside kind of the zone of where we, from a policy perspective, would say we don't want to make that change.

570
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,000
That's correct.

571
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:12,980
That helps.

572
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:22,180
I mean, fortunately, in this situation, we've had the opportunity to do some planning and there's a little bit more land to deal with than the other situation I'm talking about.

573
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,340
But appreciate it just because I know it can become a big issue.

574
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:27,340
Thank you.

575
00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:28,340
That's all I have Mr. Chairman.

576
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:30,880
The additional.

577
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:33,590
All in favor?

578
00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:33,990
Sing, fellow.

579
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:34,850
Aye.

580
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:36,030
And you pose?

581
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:38,590
It passes unanimously.

582
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:40,550
Chair, move.

583
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:41,370
Approval.

584
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:43,250
The second staff recommended motion.

585
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:45,750
With regard to the zoning change.

586
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:49,010
The motion marked.

587
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:50,050
Mr. Boyles.

588
00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:51,390
The second by Commissioner Ponder.

589
00:45:52,090 --> 00:45:53,030
Any further discussion?

590
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:55,450
All in favor?

591
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:55,910
Sing, fellow.

592
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:56,690
Aye.

593
00:45:57,330 --> 00:45:58,030
Passes unanimously.

594
00:46:00,860 --> 00:46:03,860
Mr. Chairman, the approval of the ordinance

595
00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:10,050
motion by Commissioner Boyles, a second by Commissioner

596
00:46:10,050 --> 00:46:14,730
Ponder, any further discussion? All in favour? Sing if I'm with aye.

597
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:21,970
It passes unanimously. The next public hearing is to consider a third amendment to the Patriot

598
00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:25,110
Ridge Development Agreement, unless Mr. Kampert to present this item.

599
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:30,270
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think Nick is about to advance it. Our next item, as you

600
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:44,050
It is to conduct a public hearing for Secretary chapter 163 of the Florida Statutes to consider a third amendment to the development agreement between the county and Patriot Ridge LLP for the purpose of establishing development rights for certain property.

601
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:53,510
So, based on this is the Patriot Ridge development, we heard this multiple times before you are familiar with the project down there on the south side of 85.

602
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:59,070
Basically, the reason for the proposed amendment this time is subsequent to the second amendment,

603
00:46:59,350 --> 00:47:05,050
at which time the board also entered into a percolation agreement with the property owner

604
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:12,270
to receive a 186 more or less acre piece of property, a new appraisal was done that came

605
00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:18,470
in with a different value than what we showed in the appraisal done, you made it for that second amendment.

606
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:24,350
So, basically, in order that the development agreement and the secondarily, the part of

607
00:47:24,350 --> 00:47:28,330
the nation agreement reflect the most current surprise value, that's what this proposed

608
00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:28,950
amendment does.

609
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:33,990
The proposed amendment does not increase the number of units, does not increase anybody else's

610
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:38,310
obligations, either the cannula of the developers, it doesn't change anything, except for the

611
00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:42,290
value stated in the agreement and pervue appraisal.

612
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:47,370
So, Mr. Greg Manifina, the property owner developers here, if you have any questions, I'll

613
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:49,790
be happy to answer any questions as well.

614
00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:56,240
Is anyone from the public wishing to speak to this matter?

615
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:58,200
I have no comments from you.

616
00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:58,820
Mr. Manavina?

617
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:08,650
Greg Matavino, 1, 2, 4, 4, 3,

618
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:10,750
San Jose Boulevard, Jacksonville, Florida.

619
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:12,510
I just want to clarify one thing.

620
00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:15,030
The property was not previously appraised.

621
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:20,170
There's a $2 million value that was placed in the original development agreement,

622
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:23,210
which was entered into in 2019.

623
00:48:23,810 --> 00:48:27,710
And that was based on roughly what we paid for the property at the time on a

624
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:36,810
our anchor basis and so staff asked us to get an updated appraisal, which we have done and

625
00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:39,610
that's what you have this value based on before you.

626
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:41,690
So I'm here to answer any questions you may have.

627
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,460
Just a time we'll close the public hearing, would anyone like to make a motion to approve

628
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:52,300
or disparate?

629
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,720
It's a pyramid in your district.

630
00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:56,680
It's sort of a different behavior.

631
00:49:01,060 --> 00:49:01,620
Okay.

632
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:06,280
And since Mr. Metabene is here to say, as I've said before, the first time you came to Oakland,

633
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:10,740
the county, I thought you were crazy because you held a public meeting with a whole bunch of folks out there.

634
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:16,540
And I thought you were kicking an ant hill and you're your method of engaging the community

635
00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:22,280
and what was really a pretty difficult redevelopment process to take what it formally began to

636
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,420
been a golf course and redeveloped that it seems to have worked well.

637
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,220
And so anyhow, I just wanted to note, once again, for the record,

638
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:33,580
between that, between the, you know, what is at the end of the day, apparently a pretty

639
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:37,540
sizeable donation, valuable property to the county, which has been ultimately developed

640
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,000
in Commissioner Nixon's district for the benefit of the public. It's been an all-around

641
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,720
good deal. It looks like it's slightly, slightly better now, basically on the appraisal.

642
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:49,760
Motion to approve. Second.

643
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:53,620
Any further discussion?

644
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:54,640
Yes, sir.

645
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,360
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that.

646
00:49:57,260 --> 00:50:01,500
And I don't know where to, obviously, grateful that you're here developing this.

647
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,360
It's a huge blessing on over our area, what you're doing out there.

648
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:10,680
I'll tell you where I'm struggling on the approval of this, is not that you've got an appraisal,

649
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:12,440
and I guess there are staff as you get one.

650
00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:16,960
But I'm just an excellent about this earlier.

651
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:22,520
I don't know why we've got to go through an amendment to our development order to validate

652
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:31,000
essentially this appraisal when I don't see that, it's in there for us to do that when he

653
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,840
donated the land back in the spring, there was an estimated value on the property back as he said when he bought it,

654
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:43,320
what it was per acre, we had an value then and so we knew what it was in 2019 and so now through

655
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,560
2023 through strong property appreciation, we've asked them to re-appraise it, of course the

656
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:58,500
and work quite a bit more money, and so I don't know procedurally, I don't think if you've

657
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:02,000
done anything we've been asked to do. I don't know why procedurally we were asking for an

658
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,460
amendment to essentially validate something that should be up in value, so I'm not going to

659
00:51:06,460 --> 00:51:11,980
support the motion today just because I don't know the downstream consequences that we would

660
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:17,420
be having as a county essentially a many in an existing development order for something that really

661
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:23,000
It does not seem to be part of it to begin with, so up on the note.

662
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Yes, ma'am.

663
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:33,520
Could I ask Mr. Campord to address Mr.

664
00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:36,200
Commissioner Ponder's concerns?

665
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:43,360
Basically, as a matter of housekeeping, this is being done because the question, this was an estimated value.

666
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:48,500
I think it was understood that prior closing on the property would have a real

667
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:55,040
Ascial, a praise will done on the property, which Mr. Matt Medivine has provided, and just so

668
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,100
all the documents read the same, we feel it's appropriate that whatever transpires between

669
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:03,760
the value of the property, when the county accepts his identity to value, should be reflected

670
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,800
in the development agreement and the park agreement.

671
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,060
As Commissioner Ponder points out, I don't really know if that's going to matter to the

672
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:14,760
transaction at all, but it just keeps the accounting correct as far as what the various

673
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,900
documents are going to reflect.

674
00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:20,170
It's true, man.

675
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:22,790
I understand, Commissioner Pond of your perspective.

676
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:26,850
I think what I would offer a couple of points is, in theory,

677
00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:28,110
this could have gone the other way, right?

678
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:30,850
So the appraisal could have come in and validated that we had improperly

679
00:52:32,070 --> 00:52:35,010
value the property to begin with, or that the value had been over

680
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:37,450
inflated by the, you know, as a part of the steel.

681
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:41,390
And so, you know, the reality is that the contribution to this property

682
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:45,090
did come into play in the context of the overall developer agreement.

683
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:46,910
And so, if nothing else at the end of the day,

684
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:53,410
I think this validates for me, that this commission made a good decision in so far as that

685
00:52:53,410 --> 00:52:59,270
property is valuable on the market, and therefore is valuable to our constituents.

686
00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:05,210
And so that, if for nothing else, because of that, I think it certainly is no harm.

687
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:15,650
The other thing I would notice, I could see the potential benefit for example, as we make

688
00:53:16,310 --> 00:53:20,750
There's a notion of matching, and sometimes matching can be with things other than with cash.

689
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:26,150
It can be with capital or if you can be with labor or it can be with the property that's being used for that purpose.

690
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:28,870
And so I could see the potential if we establish this about you now.

691
00:53:29,650 --> 00:53:32,310
That that could have some knock-on upside benefit later.

692
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:37,290
And I'm not fine in any significant downside to keeping the paper trail straight.

693
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:39,270
Thank you.

694
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:40,310
Thank you.

695
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:42,190
Commissioner, that really answered my questions.

696
00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:44,250
Thanks very much for your explanation.

697
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Well, in favor, sing for with I, and you pose with no,

698
00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:54,840
four to one.

699
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,180
The last public hearing is to consider him in minutes of the Patriot Ridge Park Donation

700
00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:59,580
Agreement.

701
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:01,740
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

702
00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:05,460
Again, this is just simple follow up to what you just did on the Development Agreement

703
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:05,940
itself.

704
00:54:06,340 --> 00:54:11,020
This immense the Park Donation Agreement to reflect the same value as now is included in the

705
00:54:11,020 --> 00:54:13,860
Development Agreement per the October 20, 23th, Brazil.

706
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,620
Is there any public comment?

707
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Mr. Medivina?

708
00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:26,180
I just wanted to thank Commissioner Boyles for his kind words, and it gives me great pleasure

709
00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:31,260
even more than what you mentioned to see the bridge being widened on live-optured

710
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:35,880
approach, which was part of our commitment to get that road widened to help with the traffic

711
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,380
situation. It really makes me happy when I drive down that road and see all that work being

712
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:47,040
Now, the job being done in House and they're doing a great job with it.

713
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:54,000
There's no one else from the public to speak, would anyone on the Commission like to make a motion to approve a disapproval?

714
00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:55,580
Second.

715
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,760
Motion to approve.

716
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,200
A motion to approve.

717
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:57,540
A motion of Boyles.

718
00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:58,800
A second by Commissioner Ketchill.

719
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,640
Was there any discussion?

720
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:06,320
All in favour?

721
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:07,060
Singed Pauadon.

722
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:07,960
All right.

723
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:08,780
And you posed.

724
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:11,880
It passes.

725
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Four to one.

726
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,260
Thank you very much.

727
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:21,890
That will move to Department Business.

728
00:55:22,750 --> 00:55:23,530
Mr. Hackett.

729
00:55:23,730 --> 00:55:24,150
And one or two?

730
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:24,230
I'd

731
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:40,170
like to request that Oklahoma is a county water and sewer commissioners authorize the purchasing

732
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:46,870
department to solicit competitive quotes and the formal beards for the perpetrators of pipe

733
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:53,910
and associated materials for the Oklahoma's Island Watermaid Project. If you've looked at your

734
00:55:53,910 --> 00:56:01,310
action item. It says Southwest, Chris view bypass. That's incorrect. I apologize for that.

735
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:08,530
We want to take this option because overall we're able to maximize savings on each individual.

736
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:16,670
Lied item versus accepting one bid from one supplier where we might get some good presses or not so good presses.

737
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:24,930
the will, is you multiple purchase orders for different vendors and maximize the savings

738
00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:31,410
on each material, fly and item, which we estimate to be around 1.8 million.

739
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:37,090
Gentlemen, this is my district.

740
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:41,750
Thank you for making that correction and with that and with the correction added where

741
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:47,130
we strike press view and have the Ogalusa, I authorized approval for the purchasing department.

742
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:48,110
Thank you.

743
00:56:48,110 --> 00:56:50,570
It was motion by Commissioner Kachel's, or second,

744
00:56:52,690 --> 00:56:54,810
second by Commissioner Pondor, and a further discussion.

745
00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:57,870
All in favor, seeing you five with aye.

746
00:56:58,650 --> 00:56:59,170
Can you pose?

747
00:57:00,410 --> 00:57:01,270
It passes unanimously.

748
00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:03,050
Thank you.

749
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:07,430
Next is Mr. Canpert for Growth Management.

750
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,600
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman Commissioners.

751
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,940
Our one item of regular business today concerns the House.

752
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,260
The Eastbeat 100 Dolphin Road, as you all know.

753
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:23,860
This has probably been considerable nuisance for quite some time to the neighborhood.

754
00:57:23,860 --> 00:57:28,040
This was one of the specific properties of the Board of County Commissioners, had directed

755
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,420
staff to take a special look at, and authorized the County Attorney's Office to pursue

756
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:38,700
aggressively, culminating in October of 2023, October 17, the Board of County Commissioners

757
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:42,840
in fact, we had gone through and hired a demolition contractor.

758
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,060
The house was knocked down.

759
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:45,360
The problem was abated.

760
00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:50,880
One of the issues surrounding this property was the fact that there were multiple errors involved,

761
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,860
including one that was more or less a swatter, and they could not agree.

762
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,640
I want to do with the property we should never have been appropriated.

763
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,680
One of the relatives involved,

764
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,220
stepped up, went to court, and became the court appointed spokesperson,

765
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:04,560
more or less for the property,

766
00:58:05,140 --> 00:58:07,800
and can speak for the properties authorized to do it,

767
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,080
and they are now in the process of selling the property.

768
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:11,760
But because the amount of the lean,

769
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,600
how did need $2,000 is worth far more than the property.

770
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:18,640
It really discourages the sale.

771
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,640
And the sales work got a lot of to be redeveloped.

772
00:58:21,940 --> 00:58:27,620
So also in October of 2023, the Board of Counter-Commissors adopted a policy where by a

773
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:32,020
people wishing to have COVID-19 enforcement means reduced or abated could do so.

774
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:36,340
This is the first of those petitions and it is consistent with that petition.

775
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:43,080
The Board directed that the entire administrative costs would be recovered as well as any

776
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,500
costs the county had in actually abating it, wishing this cases demolition plus 20% of

777
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:55,480
fines. So, with the recommendation staff, is going to be that we reduced the amount owed from

778
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:08,400
$182,000 to $2972.99, which includes $327.49 administrative fees, $17,150, which is the

779
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:17,720
actual demolition cost, and $3,495.99, which is 20% as provided in section 1116 of the code.

780
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:23,280
As all is provided in the code, the amount must be paid within 60 days if the board approves it.

781
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:28,220
If not, the amount reverts back to 180, 2000, and without requiring further board action.

782
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:33,360
As an incentive to do the deal, get the property back in production, and then to be developed.

783
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:35,020
I'll be happy to answer any questions.

784
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:39,030
Mr. Goodwood?

785
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:40,870
Yes.

786
00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:41,870
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

787
00:59:41,970 --> 00:59:48,410
This isn't my district, and of course, you know, the last time we had one of these, I think

788
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:53,190
along with, you know, several of my fellow commissioners kind of question, you know, how do we approach it?

789
00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:59,970
So, as you pointed out, Elliot, we then crafted a loose policy, I think, and it sounds like in this...

790
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:12,780
The particular circumstances would fit the policy that we crafted to me the most important aspects are that we're not waving any hard costs or out of pockets by the county.

791
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:20,220
The bulk of the money owed, I think it's what's 182,000, the bulk of that is punitive, right?

792
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:22,080
Yes, sir. $250 a day.

793
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:30,300
So, you know, if we agreed to this, really what we're doing is reducing the punishment

794
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:37,520
not actually, you know, giving away money that was spent out of general fund and that's

795
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,820
owed back to general fund.

796
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,860
So I think that's an important distinction.

797
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:46,660
And with that, again, since we're following the policy,

798
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:50,420
Mr. Chairman, if it's appropriate, I'll

799
01:00:50,420 --> 01:00:52,160
go ahead and make a motion that we approve.

800
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,380
The motion by Commissioner Goodwin.

801
01:00:56,180 --> 01:00:56,420
Second.

802
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,160
Second, by Commissioner Ketchew, any further discussion?

803
01:01:02,060 --> 01:01:06,340
All in favor, Sing Foe Dye, any pose, passes unanimously?

804
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:07,780
Thank you very much.

805
01:01:07,780 --> 01:01:11,000
Sir, the next item will be Mr. Entry from Public Works.

806
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:18,700
There's no, it's going to get walk up, music.

807
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:20,480
Is it fitting?

808
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,860
Jason Entry Public Works, we have one item for your consideration.

809
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,740
Today, for several years, we've been working on the Bridge Bridge Path.

810
01:01:29,020 --> 01:01:33,120
The big piece of that was getting an easement from Agle and Air Force Base, the Federal Government to go.

811
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,660
From basically, basically, Park is all the way to the desk and bridge.

812
01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:41,360
I'm happy to say that we have finally been able to get the easement detail squared away.

813
01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:48,220
Because it has taken us so long, it took a little bit of a proactive step on our part, and I did get the past Chairman to sign the document.

814
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:53,680
Since our last meeting, we have provided it to Eglon and we are simply looking for ratification of the easement.

815
01:01:54,380 --> 01:02:01,660
Just so everybody is aware, Eglon has this, they have some signatures, they have to obtain probably both here at Eglon as well as through San Antonio,

816
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:07,380
but they have to go in that process, and we are going to find a way to time it as such that we can get building this bike path.

817
01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:15,460
But this is simply a ratification of the easement of cross federal property for the bridge bridge bike path that we are eagerly looking forward to construct any questions

818
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:17,460
I'll be happy to answer them.

819
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:18,000
Mr. Kesel.

820
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,180
And you think that was welcome music. That was exciting.

821
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,580
I have trumpets or something. Thank you for all your hard work and thank you for signing that document.

822
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:31,560
And I did speak with Mr. Marks today at Eggland and with all due hasty is going to get those signatures.

823
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,040
I'm really excited. I think we're going to have a bike path finally from Bridge to Bridge

824
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:43,040
with a 12-foot wide, you know, what do you call it? Pathways and a barrier.

825
01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:48,200
So the people do not get killed. I'm so excited about this. I can't stand this.

826
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:53,920
It's always a goal. It's taking five years. So if you understand how hard this has been five years,

827
01:02:53,940 --> 01:02:58,880
I do want to expand a little bit. It's not just a pathway. Part of the negotiation we have

828
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,460
with eggland-involved controlling access points is you all know that there are so there are

829
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:09,160
I think five access ways to go from 98 across where the dunes are used to be.

830
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:13,680
We are improving those parking areas, we're making better controls at the end of the

831
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,040
deaths of bridge at the Marlow Bridge.

832
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,200
So it's not just putting down an asphalt pathway, there are some other improvements associated

833
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,700
with it, and that was a very important task of working with eggland.

834
01:03:23,180 --> 01:03:24,820
So we're excited about it, can't wait to get it going.

835
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:31,180
It's going to get a lot easier to get a footbridge across the Yellow River than to get this bike pad, but I'm excited.

836
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:32,500
Thank you very much.

837
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,100
So somebody second this please.

838
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,120
Thank you.

839
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,160
Motion recognition.

840
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,140
Catch all the second by Commissioner Pondor.

841
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:40,800
Is any further in comment?

842
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:45,960
I'll just say Mr. Chairman that, you know, apparently, you know, a Jason's behest.

843
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:46,980
I signed this.

844
01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:48,420
We're asking for belated permission.

845
01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:51,740
So I suppose all vote in favor of my mistake.

846
01:03:55,830 --> 01:04:02,590
I'll just say congratulations, Commissioner Catcher, I know this one is, you know, and you push

847
01:04:02,590 --> 01:04:07,210
heart on it and it's taken a long time and any quite frank, I think it's, you know, making

848
01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:07,890
it a little bit easier.

849
01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:08,850
You broke a bit of trail.

850
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:13,110
I think making the out and the follows after this perhaps a bit easier, you know, I'm seeing

851
01:04:13,110 --> 01:04:18,870
that these projects are, I think, broadly embraced by folks in Oakland, so good work.

852
01:04:19,470 --> 01:04:23,650
I'm going to, with the Chairman's permission, say one other thing, most of you don't

853
01:04:23,650 --> 01:04:29,570
So this, but my brother Stephen Newcomer, my name is Newcomer, was killed on a bicycle when

854
01:04:29,570 --> 01:04:36,330
he was 17 years old and it has been my lifelong effort to get by paths in place, so that's

855
01:04:36,330 --> 01:04:36,890
my heart.

856
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:48,380
With no further comment, all in favor, sing a bow that I, and you pose, and it passes unanimously.

857
01:04:49,580 --> 01:04:49,860
Thank you.

858
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:55,250
Mr. Coffee for towards development.

859
01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:06,480
Thank you Mr. Chairman of Board members, I'm pitch hitting for Jennifer who has a bad

860
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:13,320
out of the flu. So thank thankfully she didn't bring that to you to board. So I'm gonna pinch

861
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,380
it just briefly. Just just wanted to re-orientate you've already heard a lot of good things.

862
01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:25,140
You've heard already heard a lot of good details in the staff report as well about what this

863
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:29,780
will do and not do. And you received a white paper from a Spit Cheryl several weeks ago.

864
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:35,040
This is the location. This talks a little bit about the detour and you can imagine it is a long journey

865
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,540
around. We will have to connect up, it decides the foot bridge, you have to connect about

866
01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:45,420
five miles to make connection back to the floor of trail. That is a easier thing that's

867
01:05:45,420 --> 01:05:49,860
just basically getting permission in your cut and trails with, you know, basically bush hogs

868
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:56,720
and machetes or funcils, but you're, it's easier cutting, you're not building essentially a paved trail

869
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:03,180
of any kind. These are, these are more rural trails. What might it look like? This is an example

870
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:05,240
what something like that might look like.

871
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,240
It'll be a very iconic thing that will be tracked many people.

872
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,960
And again, you've heard about the things that it will do.

873
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:19,000
As far as avoiding the detour, it will be a undisturbed section

874
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,460
of trail.

875
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,940
And also, I should make note of the legislative appropriation

876
01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:23,540
we requested.

877
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,760
We actually requested the design and construction.

878
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,980
The legislative appropriation will actually be adjusted

879
01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:30,140
to just be construction.

880
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:32,380
So just to make note of that.

881
01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:36,080
The reason we want to go forward with that is to do a variety of things.

882
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:42,160
This is not going to be an easy project from a sense of wetlands and flood plains and stuff

883
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:42,620
like that.

884
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,420
So we want to get going in an engineering right away.

885
01:06:44,820 --> 01:06:48,720
We hope you use an engineer from our current approved list of engineers.

886
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:54,200
And Mr. Autry, we work in a mist trail, per se, as well.

887
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:55,900
So that's exciting too.

888
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,520
But this will be a journey, this will be a process working through Eglant and the environmental

889
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,360
season and getting approval, but we want to start that journey right away.

890
01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:10,470
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

891
01:07:11,310 --> 01:07:16,750
So first thanks Craig, and thanks to Jennifer Hertingey.

892
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:21,550
Thank you to Sheila for the collective effort.

893
01:07:21,730 --> 01:07:28,070
I think everybody really kind of staff level kind of jumped in to support moving this along quickly.

894
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:31,770
I think no one that once it gets going, it's still going to take some time.

895
01:07:31,770 --> 01:08:01,490
Right, Commissioner Kichel, one thing I want to emphasize here is that you know, we're really one there's as we seem for the public here today, there's there's a broad support for this, but there's also some really established mechanisms in place, you know, you have a very active chapter here locally, for keeping the trail maintained, you've got a statewide association, their trail program director, Mr. Frisco couldn't be here today, I think he had an emergency come up, but he spoke at CDC meeting if I remember correctly and so, you know, there's a whole,

896
01:08:01,490 --> 01:08:05,970
There are a lot of other resources and partners that are really kind of teed up what they needed.

897
01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:10,990
Really was kind of that first big, you know, that big piece of funding.

898
01:08:11,810 --> 01:08:16,910
I think we're blessed now to be able to bring to the table because of the expansion of the bed tax district.

899
01:08:17,170 --> 01:08:20,270
And so, you know, I say that only to say, you know, we're,

900
01:08:20,270 --> 01:08:24,170
I think we're a necessary kind of first first piece in this, but when you talk about, you know,

901
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:27,870
kind of closing at, you know, once the bridge is built connecting up the existing trail,

902
01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:39,310
There are lots of folks with lots of experience and expertise in doing just that, and we'll be able to kind of kind of kind of, you know, just stand at their side and partner, but we won't be doing that alone.

903
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:43,510
I am super excited for this project to get going.

904
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:46,330
Commissioners, I have certainly appreciate your support.

905
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:51,190
Up to this point, hope to get it today as we vote to take this next step.

906
01:08:51,190 --> 01:08:52,190
Can you get a second?

907
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:52,870
So you got a second.

908
01:08:53,490 --> 01:08:54,230
You got me first.

909
01:08:55,050 --> 01:08:55,850
That's okay.

910
01:08:58,470 --> 01:09:01,270
So first of all, I want to thank those who came today.

911
01:09:01,350 --> 01:09:03,110
This is very important.

912
01:09:03,210 --> 01:09:04,670
I have community advocacy.

913
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:08,350
It really is, especially when I thank Mr. Daniels, Mr. Falken.

914
01:09:08,590 --> 01:09:09,990
Mr. Wilson for speaking.

915
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:14,670
I will promise you that I will bird dog this.

916
01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:16,750
First of all, I want to thank you for bringing this forward.

917
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:20,390
And as you exit the board, I promise you I will bird dog this thing.

918
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:22,970
like I have the bike path, and I'm sorry.

919
01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:25,650
I apologize to the staff in advance,

920
01:09:25,790 --> 01:09:27,450
because they know how hard I can be on this.

921
01:09:28,210 --> 01:09:29,630
So this is very exciting.

922
01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:32,010
We want to see this path go forward.

923
01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:35,110
I was very involved in scouting at one point

924
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:37,830
with two equal scouts and very proud of that as a mother,

925
01:09:38,610 --> 01:09:41,030
and did a lot of hiking on those Florida trails,

926
01:09:41,350 --> 01:09:43,030
and I can't say how beautiful they are,

927
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:45,610
and how much they're maintained by the citizens

928
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:47,590
that you take care of it.

929
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:48,570
So thank you for that.

930
01:09:48,570 --> 01:09:58,010
And this is going to be a real asset and I've already actually spoken to the legislatures in Tallahassee and asked for funding for it, that's how excited I am. Thank you.

931
01:10:01,090 --> 01:10:01,570
Mr. Bounder.

932
01:10:01,810 --> 01:10:03,510
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Appreciate it very much, Mr. Bounder.

933
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:06,170
Thank you for bringing this idea to us.

934
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:17,770
The very moment that you brought it forward and you recognize we had a deficiency along really a natural asset that we had and that we could play a part to be a solution to that.

935
01:10:17,770 --> 01:10:19,630
and also have the support that we had here today.

936
01:10:19,690 --> 01:10:21,870
I think speaks to the volumes of people that,

937
01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:22,730
not only hear locally,

938
01:10:23,190 --> 01:10:25,710
but those that travel to come and speak in favor of it.

939
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:26,950
I think it will, you know,

940
01:10:26,970 --> 01:10:29,330
as a North End continues to expand their footprint

941
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:30,550
from a tourism standpoint,

942
01:10:31,170 --> 01:10:33,310
this will, I think, can believe be one of the cornerstones

943
01:10:33,310 --> 01:10:35,610
of what it can, what things can be built around.

944
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:37,970
I love the ideas that the gentleman brought about.

945
01:10:38,530 --> 01:10:41,930
The added things we could do at the base of the bridge

946
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:44,650
and things that nature, those are all added components.

947
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:47,650
We could easily grab into the vision of this piece,

948
01:10:47,650 --> 01:10:51,570
but proud to support it, look forward to getting done.

949
01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:54,870
And I think it's a great win for the North end of the county

950
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:55,710
so congratulations.

951
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:59,630
I think Craig already has some sharp East Gets

952
01:10:59,630 --> 01:11:00,950
he's back in the back of.

953
01:11:01,190 --> 01:11:02,670
It's just talking to him.

954
01:11:05,010 --> 01:11:08,100
I'm just talking to him.

955
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:08,380
Mr. Goodwin.

956
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:09,760
Mr. Chairman, thanks.

957
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,460
So just say, you know, I'll wholeheartedly support this.

958
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:16,620
Obviously, you know, there's strong community support.

959
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:21,380
Um, you know, much like the, the bike path, the, uh, the commissioner, uh,

960
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,040
catch a little ID and push forward, which will be a great community asset.

961
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,500
I think, you know, commissioner boils, um, you know, good job on, on spotting this as an opportunity.

962
01:11:31,460 --> 01:11:36,640
One of the things that that I'm really excited about with both this projects is, is the fact,

963
01:11:36,940 --> 01:11:40,720
and I just want to remind everyone that we're going to be able to leverage those tourism

964
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:46,120
dollars, the money collected from tourists, you come here and, you know, getting your

965
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,320
away when you're trying to get where the heck you're trying to go, but at least they pay

966
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:54,880
some bed taxes, and at least these projects will help put some of that money back in

967
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,800
the community in a way that our local residents will be able to appreciate it.

968
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,700
Of course, both of these assets, the bike path and the trail, once they're done, are going

969
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:06,600
to attract people from outside or you're going to come and enjoy it.

970
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:11,800
It's going to enhance our product, but I just like to see we get a little bit of a benefit

971
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:18,320
back to the hometown folks too because we all have to live here and you know deal with the

972
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,360
downside of tourism but there's a big upside to tourism too and so we get to see that

973
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,560
and on a countywide basis now which is a great thing so thank you.

974
01:12:30,210 --> 01:12:36,590
I received one fun question about this and using tourist development dollars for what kind of

975
01:12:36,590 --> 01:12:42,830
person travels to do. My wife and I have been section hiking the Florida Trail a little bit of

976
01:12:42,830 --> 01:12:49,230
over the last few years. So we have traveled to other areas of Florida and supported their

977
01:12:49,230 --> 01:12:55,150
tourism dollars to be able to participate in the Florida Trail. So having this right here

978
01:12:55,150 --> 01:13:01,130
to be able to use, but also to be able to see the people that it will bring to hike more

979
01:13:01,130 --> 01:13:07,970
through Oakland County. I think that's an exciting feature that many will have their eyes open to.

980
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:13,910
I just want to find out, I didn't want to note he's hiding, but I think I see Mayor

981
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:18,610
Whitten City of Crest, you use Mayor is in the audience and doing the City of Crest,

982
01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:25,010
you, I think some number of years ago actually became, there's a term for a designated

983
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:29,450
City of Gateway City, is that there have that right, and so Mayor certainly appreciate

984
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:35,010
your leadership in the City of Crest, you and excited to see this extension right there

985
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:35,850
at your southern boundary.

986
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:36,650
No

987
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:42,090
further discussion, all in favor, signify with aye.

988
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:45,370
Any opposed passes unanimously?

989
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:48,130
Mr. Parker.

990
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:50,010
Would you come and talk to President?

991
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:58,330
Chairman, Commissioner Siddout, the new and it happened

992
01:13:58,330 --> 01:13:59,330
New year to everyone.

993
01:14:00,070 --> 01:14:01,610
Tyrone Parker, transit division.

994
01:14:02,010 --> 01:14:04,170
One item for your consideration this afternoon.

995
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:07,490
The transit department is requesting a fifth contract

996
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:09,690
amendment with MV translation,

997
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:12,410
who has our transit management contract.

998
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:17,490
The transit department at the county's trepidation contractor, MVP transportation, are entering

999
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:21,790
in its six year of transit partnership that began in December of 2018.

1000
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:26,930
Amendment number four, recently approved by the board, extended the period of the contract

1001
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:29,070
through the December 31st of 2024.

1002
01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:34,710
During the month of December, contract extension negotiations were held between the county

1003
01:14:34,710 --> 01:14:39,170
and MVP transportation for adjusted revenue per hour rate.

1004
01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:53,430
These negotiations have been successful with both parties mutually agreeing to reduce annual service hours from 80,000 to 64,000 at a full rate of 52,777 cents per hour.

1005
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:59,970
and a variable rate of $37.60 per hour for all hours exceeding those 60.

1006
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,260
24,000 hours, retroactive back to January 1, 2024. Therefore, it is requested this commission to approve

1007
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:16,460
the fifth contract amendment, for modifications to the trestation contract, with the adjustment

1008
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:24,740
of annual hour volume from 80,000 to 64,000 hours. Revenue per hour, increasing from 42,044

1009
01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:33,980
cents to 52,000 cents, 77 cents for county year 2024. A verber rate of 37,61 cents for all

1010
01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:40,900
hours that exceed those 64,000 annual hours in this county year. Retroaffed back to January

1011
01:15:40,900 --> 01:15:47,940
1, 2024. So at this time, I'll entertain any questions or comments and Nick, if I'm not mistaken,

1012
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:53,760
maybe someone from V on the line is well if there are any questions that may need to be directed

1013
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:54,980
it in the transportation.

1014
01:16:00,140 --> 01:16:01,940
Mr. Chairman, thank you.

1015
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:04,480
Just a question about this.

1016
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,940
I understand really the two basic components.

1017
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,680
The reduction of the hours and the increase of the rate.

1018
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:25,160
I mean, if we hit a, you know, sort of a deadlock as far as further negotiation on this with the service provider,

1019
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:29,460
or is there an opportunity to continue to try to work on the number?

1020
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,520
Because, and I guess maybe I'm, you know, maybe a little out of work.

1021
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,500
I don't want to say in this now, because we have to have a motion in a second.

1022
01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:41,400
But my concern is not so much with the hour reduction.

1023
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:43,700
I think we can figure out how to make that work.

1024
01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:52,280
But I have some pretty significant concerns about the rate increase, not just for this amendment.

1025
01:16:52,280 --> 01:17:17,760
But what it means for our future ability to negotiate this service, you know, so I guess I'm asking that, you know, if the board were to push back and say, look, you know, we could go for some modifications, but we're not to the full numbers that you've got on this draft could you and your team go back and continue to work on this.

1026
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:23,580
I do believe we can go back, I said, I know I was part of the team with Mr.

1027
01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:27,460
Colffian and Ms. Fitzgerald as we negotiated with him be

1028
01:17:27,460 --> 01:17:31,500
transportation and we did go back and forth trying to negotiate the best

1029
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:34,620
rate that we could in order to continue the services here in Oklahoma's County.

1030
01:17:35,740 --> 01:17:40,700
I do know that we did receive a letter like said if we couldn't come to a

1031
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:45,520
agreement like said that the MV would submit a letter to the county in the

1032
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:51,800
like said they would, I guess they noticed to, to vacate, like said based on the contract,

1033
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:56,260
which is in the terms of the contract between envy and the Oculus accounting, which would

1034
01:17:56,260 --> 01:17:57,420
be a six-to-date term.

1035
01:17:58,220 --> 01:18:02,800
So basically if we didn't negotiate at this time or finalize the agreement, we were looking

1036
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:08,640
at March or April, either taken in the House, so to speak, like, so for a certain period

1037
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,180
of time, or like said negotiating with another contract, they're at that point.

1038
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,520
But they could do that at any time.

1039
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,440
That's right, yes, sir.

1040
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,600
So they could, I mean, we could give them everything to ask for right now and they could do it the next day.

1041
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:25,340
Well, actually, if we agree today and so forth, we're guaranteed to let's hit up until the end of the...

1042
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:26,620
It's the end of the end, yes, sir.

1043
01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:28,000
But only to the end of the year.

1044
01:18:28,020 --> 01:18:28,300
Yes, sir.

1045
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:28,800
That's right.

1046
01:18:30,380 --> 01:18:39,900
So really, it's that that potential 60-day termination that would be, I guess, the time, the time issue that we would be looking at.

1047
01:18:39,940 --> 01:18:40,360
Yes, sir.

1048
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,060
Has one been issued yet?

1049
01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:47,960
They have not, they have not at this time, because again, we were in negotiations to come over to different

1050
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,260
rates at our, and negotiate the rate between both parties here.

1051
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:52,720
Yes, sir.

1052
01:18:54,340 --> 01:19:01,020
And if I hear you right, you're not telling me they gave you a, these numbers were, you know,

1053
01:19:01,220 --> 01:19:04,520
final best offer, take it or leave it or is that the message?

1054
01:19:04,660 --> 01:19:06,340
This is their final best offer.

1055
01:19:06,940 --> 01:19:07,700
It is.

1056
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:09,140
Yes, sir.

1057
01:19:09,140 --> 01:19:16,080
I'll just add to that. I feel like, unfortunately, if this board were to choose not to move

1058
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:21,140
forward with this negotiated rate, I do believe they would provide us with a 60 day notice

1059
01:19:21,140 --> 01:19:22,260
to terminate the contract.

1060
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:28,490
Sure.

1061
01:19:28,750 --> 01:19:30,670
Chairman, I'll make a motion for approval.

1062
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:38,590
You know, in my way of looking at things, it's important that government provide transportation

1063
01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:43,290
and for the elderly, the blind, disabled, those who cannot drive.

1064
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:50,370
And we have seen the benefits of this as we look around our community, and we see workers

1065
01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:56,470
at publics and other grocery stores that would not be able to get to and from, as far

1066
01:19:56,470 --> 01:20:00,550
as going to their community shelters during the day, I don't know who your appointment

1067
01:20:00,550 --> 01:20:05,490
is to the disadvantaged transportation board, but that person will hear over and over in

1068
01:20:05,490 --> 01:20:08,890
the stories from the providers and those who ride the bus.

1069
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:12,230
How important this transportation is to them.

1070
01:20:13,210 --> 01:20:17,330
I've referenced this story before, but I had a gentleman come to me who actually works

1071
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:22,790
at one of the air bases here, and is a GS-12, and said, you know, within two months,

1072
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:23,490
I went blind.

1073
01:20:23,730 --> 01:20:26,210
First, in one eye, when I woke up and the other, I have two children.

1074
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:29,890
This is the only way that I have to support my family to get to and from work.

1075
01:20:31,170 --> 01:20:35,470
I know this is an expensive thing, but it's not near as expensive as

1076
01:20:35,470 --> 01:20:39,550
as it once was. I mean, when I first came on here nine years ago, we had a lot of money going

1077
01:20:39,550 --> 01:20:44,170
out. We've been able to leverage this match with a lot of federal dollars. So I hope

1078
01:20:44,170 --> 01:20:49,090
I get a second. I hope we go forward with this. And this has been a very good transportation

1079
01:20:49,090 --> 01:20:53,610
system in Mr. Parker. You've done a fabulous job since you came and everything's been

1080
01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:55,750
right since you came. So thank you for your work.

1081
01:20:56,570 --> 01:20:58,930
I'm sorry. Thank you Mr.

1082
01:21:02,340 --> 01:21:02,520
Ponder.

1083
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:08,260
Thank you. I appreciate that. Mr. Parker. I want to thank you as well. I want to thank

1084
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:13,460
as well as this company for not to give us a 60 day notice, as they legally could.

1085
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:20,840
You know, the system to your credit and leadership, you know, we pay very little general

1086
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,080
fund dollars for the service.

1087
01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:27,860
It's provided by federal funds as Commissioner Ketrol had on and so the low cost high yield

1088
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:28,440
we have.

1089
01:21:28,820 --> 01:21:33,300
This is a great example of providing a service that's costing our taxpayers very little, very

1090
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:33,640
little.

1091
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,140
It's an increase, no doubt about it, and about overlooking that part, however, if we were

1092
01:21:39,140 --> 01:21:43,500
going to disrupt that whole system, I don't think we could find a plug-in plate person

1093
01:21:43,980 --> 01:21:46,900
that, I mean, do you believe that in 60 days we could stand something up?

1094
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,240
That's a massive ask to get someone to come and stand up a full operation to put drivers

1095
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:57,280
and every bus we have running the routes, and so I'm thinking for the sake of working out

1096
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,060
this next year, adding the additional, a few dollars you're asking for, to accommodate

1097
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:07,720
this amendment, then if we need to, that gives Sheila y'all a longer runway, hopefully to

1098
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:12,100
either ask the commissioner to go in and on maybe to renegotiate with them, or if they feel

1099
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:16,340
like a word in inroads, that gives us a longer time to find something that's going to be

1100
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:18,480
more compatible to our county and the needs of our people.

1101
01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:22,920
So, I will second it based on those comments right there because I think that based on what

1102
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:23,400
we're facing.

1103
01:22:23,620 --> 01:22:26,940
I'm not, you know, here's from the government, right, some great, great points, great

1104
01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:31,080
legal points, especially about negotiations, but I think what's there are quite over

1105
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,340
barrel but do you think we're it's a it's a very good negotiated point to move forward with

1106
01:22:35,340 --> 01:22:40,360
the least get us to another year. And just one comment I said when I first came on board

1107
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:45,160
here within the county we made a transition from the previous contract to our current contract

1108
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:51,880
in the transportation now. And we did a see this like that with that particular contract and we had

1109
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:57,660
basically 30 days to the transition MV from the previous contract and it was very challenging.

1110
01:22:58,180 --> 01:22:58,620
Very challenging.

1111
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:12,020
Mr. Chairman, I'm going to have to vote no on this one, and I'll kind of explain why.

1112
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:21,340
And Mr. Parker, I've said it before, you know, you've stepped in and done the job we've asked you to do with the department that we handed you.

1113
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:28,020
And I can appreciate that. You didn't invent this system, and so any of the flaws in it.

1114
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:31,060
I don't wait your feet because you didn't create it.

1115
01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:42,200
We said we'd hire you to come work for work on this system and you've done a good job getting those complaints down and working through those operational issues.

1116
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:46,860
But the problem for me is multi-tiered.

1117
01:23:47,540 --> 01:23:56,060
When you first look at the very high level, the reality of it is, as long as I've been in office,

1118
01:23:56,060 --> 01:24:00,240
I've been unable to answer the question why we ever gotten this business in the first place.

1119
01:24:01,260 --> 01:24:10,260
It's not, in my view, a county government's core function to provide subsidized public transportation.

1120
01:24:10,660 --> 01:24:11,760
Cities do it regularly.

1121
01:24:12,460 --> 01:24:13,240
But we're a county.

1122
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:19,160
We're designed to be, you know, the broader government for a larger geographic area.

1123
01:24:20,940 --> 01:24:25,020
Public transportation, mass transit, just doesn't work well for that.

1124
01:24:25,020 --> 01:24:32,060
It can work in a densely urbanized area where cities picked that up and we see examples of that in other places.

1125
01:24:32,940 --> 01:24:39,000
But in my view, as long as this system is around, it's been here for decades.

1126
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:41,180
It predates you by a long time.

1127
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,980
It predates me and my tenure.

1128
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,840
And I still see buses running around with nobody in them.

1129
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,840
And from the first door I knocked on, running for election.

1130
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:57,900
I got to say people were asking me what are you going to do about those buses that run around all day?

1131
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:02,400
It was nobody riding them and I've been here and we've done a good job.

1132
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,700
I think of reducing some of the problems but it kind of gets back to this core problem.

1133
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:10,680
Is the real issue that this public transportation?

1134
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:15,000
It's a good thing but it's the wrong thing for the county to be in.

1135
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:20,400
And I still kind of feel like it might be in the long run.

1136
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:26,960
Now, yes, it's a system we have, and we've got a lot of grants, and it's a system we had when I got here.

1137
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:36,400
So that meant there were a lot of capital assets, transit facility that the federal government helped pay for buses that the federal government helped pay for.

1138
01:25:36,740 --> 01:25:45,200
And so, once you've taken those things, you have an obligation to deal with them and run them, or there's clawbacks in these grants, and I recognize that.

1139
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:50,160
So we've kind of moved along, and like I said, under the circumstances we have, I think we've

1140
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:51,400
done about the best we can.

1141
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:58,560
But this just highlights to me that it's going to continue to navigate towards a point of

1142
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,480
not working well or not being palatable.

1143
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:08,020
The biggest concern I have with agreeing to the rate is that it's going to make it very difficult

1144
01:26:08,460 --> 01:26:10,320
when we go out to another solicitation.

1145
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:17,180
I think it sets off new floor and I think it sets it and it did I mean we're going to dig into general fund a little more

1146
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:22,560
a great you know understanding we have reduced those numbers over time

1147
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:29,200
but this this is going back in the opposite direction I think we you know we were what at a hundred thousand this

1148
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:35,440
going to be another twenty or twenty five thousand so you know when you look at percentage of of general fund

1149
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:40,040
you know that we're putting in I mean we're you know it's it's increasing it by

1150
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:45,680
quarter give or take to me that's substantial and just go in the wrong

1151
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,340
direction and again I don't lay this at your feet again you've done what we

1152
01:26:49,340 --> 01:26:52,540
ask you do we have a system we said well you come and help us run it you've done

1153
01:26:52,540 --> 01:27:02,280
that but I just feel like you know saying that we have to do it and you know

1154
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,360
that we're just going to pay the cost and live with it,

1155
01:27:06,460 --> 01:27:08,880
or otherwise we're faced with some huge disaster,

1156
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,300
I just don't think it's a good way to govern.

1157
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,460
I don't think I should govern from the position of being scared

1158
01:27:15,460 --> 01:27:20,760
of a 60-day letter because I just don't think that's the best way

1159
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,400
to negotiate.

1160
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,260
And I don't think it's a foregone conclusion

1161
01:27:25,260 --> 01:27:29,240
that we have to set up an in-house service in staff this.

1162
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:35,820
Like I said, I'm not sure that it's a system that the county should have ever gotten involved in.

1163
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,500
We have it, but how deep do we dig the hole?

1164
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:44,920
And my concern is, you know, if we raised this, I mean, this is significant rating increase.

1165
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:45,900
It really is.

1166
01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:52,520
And how are we going to go out for competitive proposals at the end of this year?

1167
01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:55,580
I expect everybody not to see that as the new zero.

1168
01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:56,960
I just don't get it.

1169
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:02,580
So I'm not blaming you for it at all, either you've, right, you know, I'm looking at you

1170
01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:06,420
because you're the presenter of the item, but I'm not blaming you for this or I'm saying.

1171
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:13,700
But just, again, it's not that I'm heartless, but at some point I've got to recognize, I was

1172
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:22,620
hired to be a commissioner, not to fix every problem across society, but only those that

1173
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:26,800
to work on those are within the core function of county government and this one just never

1174
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:31,920
has seemed a good fit and I'm not sure it ever will be a good fit because we are a county

1175
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:39,320
and not a city but that's just my perspective so thanks Mr. Boyles and then Mr. Kitchell.

1176
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,300
So, you know, Commissioner Goodwin, you may disagree with this but I would suggest you and I are

1177
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:49,680
often philosophically, pretty closely aligned.

1178
01:28:50,180 --> 01:28:53,160
Not always spot on, but pretty closely aligned.

1179
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:59,840
The vantage point of county government constraining itself

1180
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:04,300
is only those things that it is statutory, either obligated to do,

1181
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,220
or those things that fit squarely within our mandate,

1182
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,260
I think is one that certainly resonates with me.

1183
01:29:11,060 --> 01:29:17,640
And I think there are a number of areas where, you know, I've brought that argument to bear in the past and times successfully sometimes.

1184
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:18,880
Usually not.

1185
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:25,800
But I will say this that, you know, my view on this issue has evolved some through the years.

1186
01:29:25,940 --> 01:29:40,060
I have come to the conclusion that the operation of a basic transportation system of last resort for those who are not otherwise able to get to critical medical appointments in particular.

1187
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:59,780
or for, you know, basic life necessities is, is an opportunity, is a responsibility, if not certainly fall screwing enough within that box of things that I kind of package is the things that the private sector doesn't do well and for which the public sector can provide a better solution.

1188
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,880
And so that is not to suggest I think we should be running an extravagant or robust system. But, you know, I've learned that of the of the two halves of the system, really the pair transit is as as important and probably frankly more important than the bus side of it.

1189
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,560
Now, the bus side is a little bit more efficient

1190
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,960
and that you can move more folks at lower cost.

1191
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:25,860
But it takes what really is a skeleton bus system

1192
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,900
back supported by a pair of transit system

1193
01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:34,580
in order to provide that safety net for folks who, otherwise,

1194
01:30:34,780 --> 01:30:37,200
simply don't have access to those resources.

1195
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:42,380
And so I certainly am not a proponent of enlarging the system.

1196
01:30:42,380 --> 01:30:51,920
I have come to the position that I'm a proponent of attempting to maintain the system to the extent we can justify the return for the cost input.

1197
01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:58,540
The end of the day, the cost input from local dollars that we're responsible for is $20,000.

1198
01:31:00,020 --> 01:31:03,720
And that's not a heavy lift, but it's all the honest.

1199
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:09,220
I would also say that the other half million dollars is also coming from tax dollars and

1200
01:31:09,220 --> 01:31:11,100
the end of those are our tax dollars too.

1201
01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:14,120
They make flow down from the federal government and they may be monopoly money, but they

1202
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,600
end of the day still tax dollars, and somebody's not to pay them back one day.

1203
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:20,460
So it's equally important not to be that extreme money.

1204
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:26,080
I think we need to make the same kind of part of decisions we would make if it were just

1205
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:27,900
local dollars.

1206
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,800
Again, I think the system is necessary as to the negotiating position.

1207
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:36,380
I fully agree with you.

1208
01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:41,840
I will say this in extensive discussions with Sheila and Craig in particular.

1209
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,780
I do not think the conclusion that I don't think the vendor is using this simply as an opportunity

1210
01:31:46,780 --> 01:31:48,700
to increase the margin on this contract.

1211
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:54,780
I have come to the conclusion, and I actually ran some numbers, we are in another had effectively

1212
01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:58,580
in the transportation business, I'll be with a little bit of a different cargo, and I can tell

1213
01:31:58,580 --> 01:32:02,240
you, you know, the rate increase that they're, you know, getting over the last four years

1214
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:07,560
is commensurate, and in fact, less than what I've been seeing in order to attempt to simply

1215
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:13,300
maintain margin because of the crazy world we've lived in with price escalations. And so,

1216
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:18,180
you know, this is a labor-intensive business that's their primary cost driver, and there's a

1217
01:32:18,180 --> 01:32:24,280
lot of pressure there in a particular way when you talk about drivers. And so, I think that on balance

1218
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:31,060
to me, I could rest comfortable knowing that they were not receiving a rate increase that was out of

1219
01:32:31,060 --> 01:32:34,880
out of square with what I think the market has done at large. Having said that, I think you're

1220
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:39,140
absolutely right. We are of course setting a floor in this contract. There is no question that we're

1221
01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:44,560
not going to see a reduction in rates going back, but I think if we do not enter into this amendment,

1222
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,460
they will plot out of the contract. I think it's a threat. I think it's just been making a very

1223
01:32:48,460 --> 01:32:52,340
business like decision at the end of the day. They're doing so very politely, very earnestly,

1224
01:32:52,340 --> 01:32:58,780
And I think they would probably hold, you know, to the letter of that 60-day provision, they might even give us 90 days if we ask from real nice.

1225
01:32:59,300 --> 01:33:03,040
What I know from having been on, you know, been here long enough to see this process.

1226
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,320
That is a painful thing and we don't want to do it if we can avoid it.

1227
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,800
And we have a system that's functioning reasonably well right now.

1228
01:33:09,460 --> 01:33:13,520
And, you know, my, my move is to simply preserve that status quo with possible.

1229
01:33:14,460 --> 01:33:19,120
While respecting all of the, all of the arguments you made is to why you're not able to vote for support.

1230
01:33:22,020 --> 01:33:39,580
Yeah, so in between time I looked up, I see that you are the appointment to the transport and so you'll be working with all the cities as well as the disadvantage that come forward and let's just talk about the cities from I'm going to if we turn this over to the cities

1231
01:33:39,580 --> 01:33:44,340
We're talking in what eight municipalities that's you can't do that there just wouldn't work

1232
01:33:44,340 --> 01:33:49,380
So that's probably why Oakley's county took this because it's the only way it could have worked

1233
01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:55,040
You can't ask the city of Sinko by the city of Fort Walton the city of Crestview to run their own transit system

1234
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:59,860
So but the mayors have all bought into it and you will see representatives from all of those

1235
01:34:01,060 --> 01:34:04,700
Secondly, you can't have a transit system or a parent transit

1236
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:07,440
Para, let me just define that for everybody.

1237
01:34:07,860 --> 01:34:09,720
Para is the medical part of it.

1238
01:34:09,860 --> 01:34:11,440
It is when you call and make an appointment

1239
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:16,100
to go to the doctor, you can't have that by itself

1240
01:34:16,100 --> 01:34:17,720
without the transit system.

1241
01:34:17,940 --> 01:34:19,520
That's the way the federal law reads.

1242
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,480
So you have both in order to get the para,

1243
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,500
you have to have the transit system.

1244
01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:27,140
Because a lot of people really love the para

1245
01:34:27,140 --> 01:34:30,100
a transit system, especially seniors in the blind

1246
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:32,540
who can't necessarily figure out how to call Uber.

1247
01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:34,080
And we're cheaper than Uber.

1248
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,860
Uber has increased their rates through the roof.

1249
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,700
I just found that out when I went to a major metropolitan area.

1250
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,280
The other thing is that our reserves, when I first came on here,

1251
01:34:45,460 --> 01:34:48,920
I wish I could win those as two, we didn't have a lot of money in the bank.

1252
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:51,300
We now have a lot of money in the bank.

1253
01:34:51,340 --> 01:34:52,620
We have $36 million.

1254
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,460
This is a very small fractional amount of general revenue.

1255
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,800
And when you add that to the federal match,

1256
01:34:58,820 --> 01:35:00,240
this is the right thing to do.

1257
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:01,480
I will vote for this.

1258
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,160
I understand why my colleague cannot.

1259
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,240
But I must vote for this.

1260
01:35:05,460 --> 01:35:09,700
My conscience will not allow me, otherwise there are too many people that I understand

1261
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:14,620
that are mentally challenged, aged and blind in our community, including those who have

1262
01:35:14,620 --> 01:35:20,260
been have traumatic brain injuries that fought for our nation, who use this system.

1263
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:21,740
It's the right thing to do.

1264
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,000
I will always support this system.

1265
01:35:27,620 --> 01:35:29,380
Any further discussion?

1266
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:30,340
Yes.

1267
01:35:30,980 --> 01:35:31,740
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1268
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:33,440
Just real quick.

1269
01:35:35,140 --> 01:35:35,800
Two things.

1270
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,180
One, are we actively looking at modifying the fares?

1271
01:35:41,860 --> 01:35:46,540
I can tell you a commission, like I said, we're currently undergoing a transit

1272
01:35:46,540 --> 01:35:47,040
study.

1273
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,640
In telling that transit study, it's focusing on the fixed route system itself.

1274
01:35:52,260 --> 01:35:56,080
Not only are they going to evaluate the service area that we currently operate within,

1275
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:57,900
But they're going to look at the actual rouse.

1276
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,460
They're going to detail and dab into the rouse itself.

1277
01:36:00,780 --> 01:36:02,460
Those rouse that are unpredictable as you mentioned.

1278
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:04,160
I see you see buses and so forth.

1279
01:36:04,540 --> 01:36:06,500
They're going to make recommendations to us and so forth.

1280
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,840
And we've identified a couple of rouses and so forth.

1281
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:12,540
We know there's a need in this where we sit today and so forth

1282
01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:13,680
in Chrisview and so forth.

1283
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,480
And we have ideas and recommendations we want to move forward

1284
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:17,860
and provide in service and Chrisview.

1285
01:36:18,260 --> 01:36:21,480
And part of that process also, we'll take a look at the fairs.

1286
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,020
Of course, like I said, the co-op and this body,

1287
01:36:24,020 --> 01:36:28,580
Well, the co-op will make recommendations to this body and make determination, if that means

1288
01:36:28,580 --> 01:36:29,280
a fair increase.

1289
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:33,860
If that means staying in a particular area and reducing those routes, that will become

1290
01:36:33,860 --> 01:36:36,640
for this body and this group to make that decision.

1291
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:41,100
But again, that's all part of the comprehensive operation study that we're currently undergoing

1292
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:46,080
now and should be completed and making recommendations back to us, no later than May of

1293
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:46,600
this year.

1294
01:36:48,260 --> 01:36:53,860
Just for the benefit of our public, can you, what is the current rate for a bus ticket?

1295
01:36:54,580 --> 01:37:00,620
But, I'm sorry, sir, like to have a passenger just wanted to board the bus, just a one-way trip is $2.

1296
01:37:01,780 --> 01:37:04,760
If they wanted to buy a 31-day pass, it's $40.

1297
01:37:06,740 --> 01:37:12,500
We have a $15, which is $20, and we have a all-day pass, I was $4.

1298
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:18,420
And of course, like I said, we have fairs that are basically on reduced rates, like for those that qualify.

1299
01:37:18,420 --> 01:37:22,480
If they're disabled, like I said, no, for the senior citizen, they meet that criteria.

1300
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:27,740
So basically, if I want a 31-day pass, instead of paying $4, it'll be $20, so basically

1301
01:37:27,740 --> 01:37:30,900
half what the actual fare is at this time.

1302
01:37:31,220 --> 01:37:32,940
But what about the pair of transit rates?

1303
01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:37,640
The pair of transit rates, like I said, it all depends on, again, we receive funding from

1304
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:38,560
the transit disadvantage.

1305
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,960
So again, like I said, the base rate, if you qualify for transit disadvantage, it's $3.

1306
01:37:43,820 --> 01:37:44,180
It's $3.

1307
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:50,340
If you were a wheelchair-boundal passenger, it's $2, and if you're in, we call it the

1308
01:37:50,340 --> 01:37:51,660
Audit County, or in the county.

1309
01:37:52,180 --> 01:37:53,800
If you're out of county, it'd be $6 million.

1310
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,900
If you originate here in the county, and you travel out to Pennsylvania, California,

1311
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:00,500
and so forth, it'd be $6,000.

1312
01:38:00,580 --> 01:38:01,440
Just $6,000 one a way.

1313
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:07,660
I absolutely agree, like I said, to Mr. Commission of Catchals Point,

1314
01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:11,000
uh... paratransit is a complimentary service

1315
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,920
uh... like so you have the fixed route service and

1316
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,840
you have a company you require to have a company to prepare transit service that

1317
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,600
operates off that fixed route service

1318
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,360
uh... you can travel within that boundaries of that fixed route service and you can

1319
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,440
travel to the records of a mile outside of that service or whatever the service area

1320
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:30,980
that you designated within the urbanize area you can utilize that service

1321
01:38:30,980 --> 01:38:35,260
uh... but to your question those are the rates uh... for the fixed route service and uh...

1322
01:38:35,260 --> 01:38:40,260
of transit and parents transit we operate under transit disadvantage because we see those state funding.

1323
01:38:40,700 --> 01:38:44,920
Transit disadvantage does not mean disabled or handicapped does it.

1324
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:50,860
It does not like said but under FTA like said in fact we just went through all of this past year

1325
01:38:50,860 --> 01:38:56,280
and so forth and one of the findings is that we define our self under transit disadvantage because we

1326
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:03,480
received that funding but right now I said we if application comes in we can certify a person under

1327
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:08,540
the FDA, which is on the FTA or the OT, guidelines are on the trace of this advance.

1328
01:39:08,860 --> 01:39:11,260
Trace of this advance could be for the elderly.

1329
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:17,040
They could be for individual that doesn't have a former transportation and on the income.

1330
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:24,940
But under FTA guidelines and so forth, it's for a particular citizen or customer that is unable

1331
01:39:24,940 --> 01:39:28,960
to access the fixed-row service, and that could be visually impaired.

1332
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:35,240
I think we're sure about our other criteria like that meet under that ADA guideline there,

1333
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:36,420
but you are correct commission.

1334
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:42,520
There is two different certifications on the transit disadvantage and ADA compliance there.

1335
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:46,300
And transit disadvantage are eligible for the parent transit cars?

1336
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:48,080
Yes sir, they are.

1337
01:39:48,420 --> 01:39:54,120
At the at what rate, it'll be the $3 rate, the ADA and the transit disadvantage have the same rate.

1338
01:39:54,120 --> 01:40:04,140
So it's used subsidized rate, which is available to a middle, to a working age person,

1339
01:40:04,580 --> 01:40:10,240
a working capability regardless if the only reason they needed is because their escalators

1340
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:18,460
in the shop. True or not? If you have lack of transportation like going to you apply for that service,

1341
01:40:18,620 --> 01:40:21,620
you can't quantify, right? Well, what we try to do also, like I said,

1342
01:40:21,620 --> 01:40:24,260
encourage them to exercise the fixed route service.

1343
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,820
We would say that, you know, there is a fixed route service that is a quarter of a mile from

1344
01:40:28,820 --> 01:40:29,380
your residents.

1345
01:40:30,140 --> 01:40:34,700
You can utilize that service, like I said, at this rate here, we share that information with

1346
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:39,720
them even though they will qualify on the transit this rate advantage, but we also, like

1347
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,620
said, give them the option for the fixed route as well.

1348
01:40:41,860 --> 01:40:47,340
And I believe that you do do that, and I believe that you are trying to navigate people

1349
01:40:47,340 --> 01:40:48,820
to the fixed route where it makes sense.

1350
01:40:48,820 --> 01:40:53,160
I think the inherent problem is, just like you or I, wouldn't get on that fixed route

1351
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,680
bus to get the work because we don't know what time we'd ever get home if we could find

1352
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:01,320
a bus that would actually pick us up at a convenient time because we're not a compact city.

1353
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,940
Most people don't do it.

1354
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,520
So instead, it's easier, and of course it's cheaper than Uber.

1355
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:12,800
You can't get an Uber to take you to, you know, to the grocery store for $3 and take you

1356
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:13,380
back home.

1357
01:41:13,980 --> 01:41:15,880
And again, I know that's not your program.

1358
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:44,300
But I'm just trying to point out that, yes, there's this side of it where maybe there is a population of folks that need help, there's also a side of it that I have seen firsthand, where people just simply take advantage of the system that's available, because the federal government decided to define a very broad dependency class that includes people who are able-bodied working age.

1359
01:41:44,300 --> 01:41:52,640
They can take advantage of this and you subsidize tax dollars to get around town and I guess that's where I have some problems with it

1360
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,600
It not problems you created problems with this with the entire program

1361
01:41:57,260 --> 01:41:59,720
Starting at the top at the federal level

1362
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:00,380
Yes, sir

1363
01:42:00,380 --> 01:42:03,760
I appreciate you answer those questions and fair responses

1364
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,680
I know you're doing everything you can within the system that we have

1365
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:10,680
Yes, sir. I just want to know. I said the transit is events that is strictly a copay

1366
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,580
because we reduce it, we do receive funding for those trips on a monthly basis.

1367
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:20,580
So, if we have trips to save, we had five on a trip so far, we will request that through transit

1368
01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:25,240
advance within the state, and we receive reimbursement funding for those trips there.

1369
01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:25,900
Yes, sir.

1370
01:42:26,140 --> 01:42:27,380
Thank you.

1371
01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:31,830
Any further discussion?

1372
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:34,210
All in favour?

1373
01:42:34,410 --> 01:42:35,070
Sing in favour of the aye?

1374
01:42:35,230 --> 01:42:35,590
Aye.

1375
01:42:35,730 --> 01:42:36,330
Any opposed?

1376
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:37,110
No.

1377
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:39,370
Pass this forward to one?

1378
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:40,530
Thank you, Commissioner.

1379
01:42:40,530 --> 01:42:41,170
So

1380
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:49,880
we'll move to the commissioners minute and begin with commissioner Goodwin.

1381
01:42:52,830 --> 01:42:57,330
Well I just want to say it's been a pleasure not sitting where you are today.

1382
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:58,690
Mr. Chairman.

1383
01:43:00,530 --> 01:43:05,750
But, you know, again, I appreciate everyone's support through the 2023 year.

1384
01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:10,830
Look forward to 2024 and I just couldn't let Mel get his own four to one.

1385
01:43:10,890 --> 01:43:12,930
I had to have one too.

1386
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:16,830
Mr. Kesel.

1387
01:43:17,130 --> 01:43:19,330
That was a good and robust discussion.

1388
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:21,810
I think a lot of good information was shared.

1389
01:43:22,750 --> 01:43:24,910
And again, I'm so happy at the Florida trails,

1390
01:43:24,910 --> 01:43:27,550
but so here, and that we've got a plan to move forward.

1391
01:43:27,670 --> 01:43:29,810
Thank you for taking time out of your day.

1392
01:43:30,850 --> 01:43:31,910
If you don't like what you heard,

1393
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:33,550
you can always come on up here and sit.

1394
01:43:34,530 --> 01:43:36,010
It's an interesting experience.

1395
01:43:36,190 --> 01:43:38,790
It really is to do this.

1396
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:40,750
And it's been a privilege to serve.

1397
01:43:42,370 --> 01:43:43,930
Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the forward year leadership.

1398
01:43:43,930 --> 01:43:52,690
As I said earlier, thank you for the foundations been late for years and years and coming

1399
01:43:52,690 --> 01:43:56,670
off to the commissioner going to you, we're in very great hands and so it was four

1400
01:43:56,670 --> 01:44:01,570
year leadership for our county and I will say what commissioner going to brought up, I appreciate

1401
01:44:01,570 --> 01:44:05,730
commissioner Bowles who set the set here way longer and it's seen the cycle come back a few

1402
01:44:05,730 --> 01:44:09,990
times and I have some commissioner catch on commissioner good when well before my time as well

1403
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:12,570
but obviously brought up a larger conversation

1404
01:44:12,570 --> 01:44:14,790
that maybe over the course of the year could be had

1405
01:44:15,190 --> 01:44:17,390
about what our role is and how we go with that.

1406
01:44:17,770 --> 01:44:18,990
But for what we have, I felt,

1407
01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:20,070
and you know, going on a good course.

1408
01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:22,210
But on that, looking forward to great year,

1409
01:44:22,210 --> 01:44:23,810
Happy New Year, everybody excited about the trail

1410
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:25,130
and the good one that's going to provide here

1411
01:44:25,130 --> 01:44:27,250
in North Oakland, County, and looking forward to seeing

1412
01:44:27,250 --> 01:44:29,050
what the good Lord does for our County 2024.

1413
01:44:30,730 --> 01:44:31,090
Yes, sir.

1414
01:44:31,090 --> 01:44:31,490
Ms. Wolves.

1415
01:44:32,890 --> 01:44:34,730
Proud to be here and I'd say to my fellow commissioners,

1416
01:44:34,730 --> 01:44:37,270
thanks for the support on this trail project.

1417
01:44:38,190 --> 01:44:39,570
I'd come here to get some of you ready mentioned.

1418
01:44:39,570 --> 01:44:43,870
And you've had those conversations in my fellow commissioners, Commissioner Ponder, in particular

1419
01:44:43,870 --> 01:44:47,570
with your connectivity in Tallahassee, if you get the opportunity to chat with any of

1420
01:44:47,570 --> 01:44:52,630
our legislative tours, certainly we'll appreciate putting in a good word for trying to

1421
01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:56,510
grab some extra funding since we've got such a substantial local match to get that project

1422
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:57,270
moving fast.

1423
01:45:00,500 --> 01:45:21,500
Would be interesting to see the transit study come back. The box rate is incredibly low. Having traveled in a couple of cities over the last few months. I didn't pay near that, and any of those have been much, much more. So it would be great conversation. Excited for the trail and the progress coming forward with that.

1424
01:45:21,500 --> 01:45:29,860
I haven't hiked out to see that location because it's a it's a day hike out and back. It's not not through and so that will be a great thing to go see

1425
01:45:30,340 --> 01:45:31,880
That is all I have

1426
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:37,900
Is there anyone from the public wishing to have any additional public comments you have up to three minutes

1427
01:45:38,420 --> 01:45:41,720
Just as that you fill out a speaker card, but it can be right after you speak

1428
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,960
with nothing there the meeting is adjourned