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The other thing is if you're here to make comments during public comments, we ask you to keep those remarks brief, or as brief as you can, we appreciate that.

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This morning we have was for hand vocation, Reverend Bond, who was first United Methodist, and alarm call will lead us in the pledge. Please stand.

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If you would pray with me, have it my father, we are reminded as we continue to celebrate

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our hundredth anniversary that this is your county, and what does that mean for us here

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to do business?

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as well. John Wesley found a methodism says start with Scripture. So let us remind ourselves

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that we need to look at everything and see if it's in conflict with Scripture. But to that,

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we add logic, tradition, and reason, as well as experience. We do those things in a nice

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neat package.

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Your will more likely will be done. So we call your Holy Spirit to come

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with us. Each and every one of us with different agendas and different ideas and make us

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cohesive. We are one in the spirit. I pray in Christ's name, Amen.

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Thank you, Reverend Bond.

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Who had an open meeting for public comments?

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I know we have for sure one person.

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I know other people here.

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But Tony Bishop, if you would like to come up with a comment.

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Morning chair.

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My name is Tony Bishop and I'm here on behalf of the Brake Club and for those of you who don't know what the Brake Club is, it stands for building a relationship with a team.

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And what they do is they put on team dances, wants them on a tier, didn't middle school,

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a lot of touring, and kind of helps keep the team at your job for street, for at least

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one nice point.

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And you know, whatever they can do, and they put on dodgeball tournaments and such things

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that.

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And five years ago, Okacheo, we canceled the Labor Day for eight.

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And the Brock Club took that up and has been a real successful with it for five years, excuse me.

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So, in reading the paper last week, we noticed that the Catalyst Association had canceled the PRCA Labor Day Radio,

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which has been a tradition in October for years.

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So, the Brock Club decided that they would love to keep up the tradition and put on a Labor Day Ranch Radio

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in place of the PRCA review and we are going to try to make this successful and be an annual

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deal as long as a cattle and a dissociation doesn't want to come back and put on our PRCA

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review on my equipment.

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In doing so, we had to hire some judges and pick up me and some managers and timekeepers

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of secretaries and incurred a lot of costs in doing so to have this rodeo.

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We have secured the axonor for September to fail to Saturday afternoon, but on this

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rodeo, one day rodeo.

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And what the Brack Club could ask me to do is come up here and ask the commission if they

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would consider, because of the financial obligation of putting on this rodeo to carry

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on this tradition, if they would consider a way that we would defeat one time beads for the

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is there for us to put this on?

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Who, what would the cost be for us, Albe, to wait to see?

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Well, obviously, it's since it's not an agenda item.

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We can't vote on it today, but that's fine if he would respond to that.

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But it's just not an agenda item.

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We can't vote on it.

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Yes, sir.

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Just for basic costs, $7,000, $50,000 is a real fee for the day.

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Give a take at the dollars here and there for you.

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a little electrical calls and a board member I'm going to introduce myself from many future

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vote on this, but I would just like to give a little background. My first trip to Oak

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at Shelby was in 1967 with a young lady and her mother to come out and came out to the

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time and that was my first introduction and I ended up loving it so much I'm here so it's

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very hard once you give up your tradition it's very hard to come back and try to rebuild that

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tradition to bring it back again because I'm not going to vote on it I'm not part of that but

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I would only ask that you know that chair I mean the board consider this because of the nature

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of how fast it came of you know it didn't really have a time to go out and fundraise and do the

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that are needed to do, to put this thing on, you know, for the families of Oakland

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Chobian, and quite honestly quite a few people in within 152 mile radius, because

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my understanding is that there's no rodeo, South of Cala, that's correct.

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Yeah, that thing is a, so should be a fun event, and the fact is, the admission

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price was brought down to $5, just to let more families come out there and enjoy

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that rodeo because it is a lot of fun, and just wanted to add that to it, you know,

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But in the prior years, we'll have more time.

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I'm interested in such a short notice.

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We'll have more time to go out and get sponsors

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and then that will help us with the finances.

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Labor Day, Rudy.

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Well, actually, I like the ranch radius.

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Yeah, I'm not saying that.

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And there's been a big outcry in this week out of the paper.

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And a lot of comments with a community of wanting this to go

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to continue as a tradition.

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When we just place it, this is Jim, the out of one,

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our next meeting.

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So what you could do is have to add it to this, meeting at the end, you consider it as an actual one.

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We're going to add it to this one if you're looking at it.

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If it supports favor two, add it to this one, find it with that.

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I would like to add it to the agenda.

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Can we?

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I don't mind adding it. I just don't particularly like the president we said by doing that.

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Well, I don't either accept it.

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It's really not about the money. I mean, it's not the president that you would say about having something in public comment.

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I agree that it's the precedent.

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Let me ask a question.

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If you don't get the waiver of the fees,

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are you going to do the event anyway?

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Certainly.

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We're going to continue with you then.

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Since he's going to do the event anyway,

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he could come back to the next meeting.

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It really isn't too late,

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and the board could wait the second.

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Okay, that's the reason.

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That's the reason I made this suggestion.

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That's the reason I made this suggestion.

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When he was going to do the event,

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I do that. Our next meeting, we could place it on the agenda and vote for that time.

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And then you're not setting the presence and it keeps everything squared.

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Thank you, Mr. President.

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All right. Thank you, John.

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Any other public comments?

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Last call?

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Motion.

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Motion.

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Motion.

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Second.

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Second.

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Second.

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Second. Second. Second. Second. Second.

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help out with those in favor say aye.

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I oppose like that, motion care, any revisions, no revisions.

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Consent agenda,

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any wishes to pull something for further discussion.

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I did notice one,

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I will say, a correction and the public comments refers to trash containers

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and they were actually shipping containers, not trash containers.

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in the minutes?

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In the minute.

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Any other?

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I would.

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Adam G. Can I just ask to make sure that is up to date there.

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Please pay much for up to date.

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As of the first of the month, she did have a balance of a thousand fifty eight dollars.

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I'm not sure if she's made a payment.

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Today, but she's relatively current.

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Okay.

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Not really a change, but just a comment about code, I'm not going to stuff which I've made

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in the past.

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I think one of the ones we are, the Sun Consentage into the day ran for 3,000 plus days.

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I think we ought to come up with some way to, not let it go 3,000 days before we come

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for a resolution.

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I mean, I'm assuming that the purpose of code enforcement is to clean things up and make

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make them in compliance and not get money and allow something to go for 3,000 days, I would suggest

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it's not a solution to a code violation.

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think it was suggested to increase the time limit of set of time limit.

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From past experience on a code board, we had a, we had an established 90-day time frame

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where it went back, the code board people went back and looked at it and made the recommendation

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to the governing board, to lean it, you know, foreclose it whatever, to push it along rather than just, as is in this case the, the fine was significantly more value,

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more costly than the value of the property and obviously didn't get cleaned up until it changed hands.

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But the idea was, if you let it go 90 days and it wasn't resolved, then the code, in this case, I guess, the code department under Bill would have to make some recommendation to cut it off and put it in some situation where you could move it along to some quicker resolution than 3,000 days.

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Mr. Chairman.

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You said, lean it or foreclose.

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This one was lean.

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I mean, when the fine is imposed, the judgment is recorded in the public records and it

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becomes a lean on the property and actually it becomes a lean on any other real property

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owned by the violator.

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So this has been under lean all of this time.

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There are various reasons why the individual properties are not foreclosed on.

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We cannot foreclose on homestead property.

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I'm not saying that this one was homestead.

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I'm just giving an example that if we have 10 properties with leans, but nine of them are

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homestead, we can't foreclose on nine of them.

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There are also occasions where we have a lean, but there are either first, first, at or

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second mortgages, and the second mortgages on the property, and if the county foreclosed,

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we would take over the property subject to those mortgages often times, and then we would

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be responsible for paying off those mortgages.

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So in reality, the window of properties that's clean and open for closures is not as big

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as you might think.

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And I'm okay with that, but there might be other options to try and, again, the purpose of

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the code enforcement is to...

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Asheaf complains.

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I don't know if I find somebody to let him on over there, or to lean the property and take

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the property.

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And that's not the purpose.

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The purpose is to encourage the property owner to clean it up, and there might be some

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other options.

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I don't know which ones, what the mic they are, but I would suggest the look and so they

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didn't.

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Again, it's a purpose.

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It's kind of things we're not achieving that necessarily.

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The only thing I would suggest is if because each code violation stands under someone

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merit, they have its own personality, one code violation may be resolved in two weeks, where

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another one may take several months, another because of the cause, because of the size.

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So I would kind of like to leave that up to the discretion of code enforcement is to what

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it would be reasonable time, you know, and I understand when you come from, and I concur it's just the fact is that if you set a time certain like 90 days or 120 days, it may be good for one in one situation but may not fit another, you know, so I would defer to code enforcement to let them kind of make a recommendation.

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And I'm okay with that too.

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I mean, again, just to if the purpose is to encourage you, okay.

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With the minor change to the minutes, you can turn your emotion for consent again.

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I make a motion that we approve the consent agenda with the changes in the minute as

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present it.

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Motion by Ms. Halden.

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Second by Mr. Cook.

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Second by Mr. Cook.

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Motion carries. Thank you.

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Approximation, public hearing,

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item A, it actually is item 1. And your rate resolution for solid waste collection, disposal services, non-evil or assessment.

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Where are you going to do that? We're going to have someone else have that question there.

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You were me, didn't you?

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Yeah, I can.

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So we adopted the preliminary rates back in last month.

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And now we're bringing you the final rate

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Resolutions to finalize the rates.

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The rate is 220 for resident.

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And it's unchanged.

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That hasn't changed from last year.

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Last year.

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All right.

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Any discussion about that before we're out in public hearing comment questions?

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Okay, if not, we're going to go ahead and open public hearing regarding the annual rate resolution

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for a waste collection of disposal services as part of the non-evil alarm assessment.

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Anyone here wishing to speak on that?

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And the rate is $220.

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Are you?

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Are you?

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No one here wishing to speak on that, okay?

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consider a motion to close. So may motion by Mr. Cal Farber.

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Second, my name is Helen.

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Closed to come here in those in favor say aye. Aye.

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Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Aye.

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Motion to adopt Resolution 2015.

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Make a motion to VOCC adopt Resolution 2015.

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30 related to the provision of solid waste collection, disposal services.

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You know, Chubby County Municipal Service Beneficient for Solid Waste Collection and disposable

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services established in the rate of assessment, reimposing solid waste collection, disposal

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service assessments against the property located within the Oak Chubby County Municipal

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Service Beneficient for Solid Waste Collection and disposable services for the fiscal year.

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Are you getting up to over 1, 2015, improving the assessment role, providing for several

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ability, providing the effective date?

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Motion by Mr. Burrows.

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Second. Second by Mr. Cofer.

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Further discussion?

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Hearing none. Those in favor say I.

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I pose like some motion carries.

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Next item on the agenda is a.

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Public hearing for the annual rate resolution.

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For fire rescue.

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Non-advalorment assessment.

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All right. So again.

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This rate was adopted as preliminary at the July 23rd board meeting.

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It is a rate for a fire of $105,

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$155, and

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the same proportional increase applied to all other

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assessment categories.

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Sorry, I was, I don't have what I thought I had on the screen.

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So what is that, 15 dollar increase or?

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For residential, yes,

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let me get it.

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This is just for fire, right?

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This is for eight correct.

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Okay.

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The any questions or the core before we open public hearing?

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I have a couple of questions.

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The reason for raising the rights or appears to be a couple of things.

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one is an increase and obviously the cost of managing the fire department driven primarily

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by addition of six FTEs full-time equipment and I'm looking just an operating experience,

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I'm not looking at the cost of capital.

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So it was about $400,000 in that range, what we decided last meeting for the public workshop

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Was it about $4,000, Chief?

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Yes, sir.

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I mean, with salary benefits and all of those stuff, right?

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If you didn't have that $4,000 in the budget, do we have a number of what we would need to raise the rate, too?

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We'll keep them on the forward 20, six, five away to actually negotiate a typical EMS virus split.

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So it's going to be probably about 275 on the fireside because in the operating expense on the fireside,

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Hayes will turn out to be a firefighter safety EMS does.

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So we're going to increase the revenue for the fire feed from what to what?

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Not total dollars was at 2.8 to 3.3 something million.

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I'm just around numbers, obviously.

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I'm just trying to...

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From memory.

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We're projected.

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Based on the rates of our budget was 2.9,

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but it looks like we're projected to collect about 2.7,

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and we'd be raising it to 3.3.

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3.3.

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Yeah, what about $5,000, $5,000, $1,000,000,000,000?

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Yes.

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Total dollars.

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And I know part of that, we have to have a certain amount of money and reserves.

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Right.

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And what are we projecting that we need for reserves from the fire department?

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25 percent.

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Of what?

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Operating and capital.

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Do we need to have operating in capital or just operating since the reserve is to pay for operating department not buying capital?

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To be consistent with the other funds we've always included capital as well because it's not a recurring cost but we anticipate that it's a cost that will have next year also.

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Approximately the same amount, not the same item but the same amount.

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So, to be consistent, you would include capital in that calculation and that would actually allow you to be a little more favorable.

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It causes a little bit additional reserves, which is never.

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The, what is the purpose of a reserve?

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It's an emergency fund. The GFOA recommends, I think, three months of expenses, three to four months.

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Emergency fund for a couple of reasons, if you, you know, there are issues major cost come up, but also if, because of the timing of revenues.

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You don't always get your envelope revenues. You start that in November or so. So you want to have the funds in there to cover for the first couple months expenses.

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Well, I would suggest you that we don't need the reserve for capital expenses. That's not an emergency.

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And if we do that another funds, I would suggest that we shouldn't do that either because again, my reserve is that it is for operating expenses for that period of time when you need money that you don't have the cash flow to pay for your business.

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If you don't have cash money, you won't make any capital investments during that time.

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Because you'd be having to pay your staff, you would for a go capital expense.

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But that short period of time might be even a lengthy period of time.

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I would add, though, there are times when you would accumulate an additional reserve

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if you knew you had a large piece of equipment you were going to replace,

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So that you're not hitting the assessment all in one year to pay for a $4,500,000 piece of equipment.

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And you would stagger that over and put that aside.

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So we did do that originally with this. There were pieces of equipment in there five year plan.

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And we began to save the dollar so we would have it enough.

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So are we assuming the next 1717 that we're going to spend $500,000 on capital?

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I don't know what you have in the 15th.

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We're in 15th, 16th budget.

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I'm done with 15th, 16th we're spending 500,000 dollars a believe.

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In 1617, we will have some capital expenses and regards to we'll probably have some other vehicles

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that need to be replaced and probably some station renovations at Mainstart.

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I don't think in 1617 it's going to hit the full amount that we have this year I think

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it would be a little lower but we would still have some capital expenses in 1670.

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We have a no-in last year we're talking about $500,000 in capital and in 1516 maybe $600,000 for fire.

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With this year we're talking roughly roughly 650,000 in capital because there's a couple of vehicles in the fire and the MS budget.

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And then next year, 1617 is when we would probably start to do some renovations on one of the older stations.

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And by the time we have our fleet evaluated, it may be one of the more economical restruct type vehicles that need to be replaced versus an engine or ambulance.

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We're working towards our overall budget with a steady process of capital each year so that we don't hit the heavy spikes.

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How much was your capital, Mr. Chief?

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Because I see 921, I thought you said something less than that.

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This is fire in the MIS.

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Let me come and give them a table.

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I do know on the engine, on the combat side, we budgeted 425,000 for an engine.

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The list from last Thursday is 611,748 correct.

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Yes.

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611,000.

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The biggest bulk of that is for an engine.

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The rest of it is some of the stuff that is just associated with our capital improvements

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with replacing of equipment because of the expensive falls and that over a thousand dollars.

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As I discussed at the last meeting, we have some like every other department.

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We have some IT issues we need to deal with.

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And we have one vehicle in there also that he is going to be designed to haul some of our traders with specialized equipment on it.

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And also, our turnout here is on replacement of certain amounts every year, and they followed a thousand dollars.

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So yes, our capital for this year is 611,000.

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So I want to anticipate next year, 1617, that if we lower the cost, the equipment from the new people would not be there,

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barring some kind of undersea mechanical issue.

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I don't anticipate an engine for 1617.

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I think the one common I'd make on this is that since I wasn't in office the last couple of years,

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it was a little difficult for me to understand why we lowered the EMS, Fired EMS.

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We had it at one level. We lowered it for two years. Now we're back at the different level and I think the comment was made during some of the budget means was that we were not using the money.

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And it appeared to me if we had the money we should be refurbishing some of this equipment as we go along based on the fact of what I just heard.

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And so the question would dare to the public is why do we not refurbish the equipment and continue to do this rather than lower the rates and then bring them back up.

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because now it looks like, well, it were high.

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We went low, now we're going back high.

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So we have to have some rationale for the public

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to understand why we do that.

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And I guess that's what I'm asking right now.

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OK, so the last two years, the board's policy

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at that point was Evelem.

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Taxes were becoming an issue.

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And what they were trying to do was offset the total tax bill.

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And so there were reserves that were growing

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and fire any mass because they were not being spent

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At the time, those rates were put in place, we were looking at the five or six additional people at that point plus equipment that the former chief had, and I'm talking former former chief had put in a five-year plan, and so that's what the rates were based on.

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We continued along there where the board wasn't in an agreement to hire people or replace equipment at that time because of where we were at in the economy, so they told us to hold off.

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So we held off while you're building your reserves, you're not spending it.

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In order to balance out the tax bill, we lowered the rates to help this is since what they're

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taxable in those two years.

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At least it bears out for people to understand why you did it, because there is obviously there

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was rational that you utilized in order to do that.

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So now we're back to the subject of matter of like you're now we're trying to catch up based

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of the previous economic times that we went through, is that correct statement?

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Yes, even if we weren't going to the 105, you have suggested not leaving it the same to increase.

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If we decide to go with 105, if you, well, the 105 is based on the six people, so we're actually saying if you're deciding not to go on the six people, if we decided not to, you were still suggesting an increase.

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Yeah,

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and I have said in that meeting $99 for the fire rate would be what we needed if we weren't going to go to the six people.

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I can tell you that Chief and I have worked together and cleaned up a little bit more of some of the capital improvements that were in the subject that if they're not on that PowerPoint.

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This is in between when you guys saw that. So there may be a little bit more leniency that we could reduce rates a little bit more.

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And then that, unfortunately, I don't have an exact number for you, so you're going to have to go with what you're confident in, is the 90-9 because today's last day, we can't change it.

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So, yeah, I'm confident in the 99 and the 80.

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One of the things that's most difficult at tax time is when the taxpayers don't understand

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very complex issues, used to be very simple 50 years ago when the fire service was

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very pretty cut and dry, but today with all the regulations and requirements that you

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have to do with the drugs that they carry, because I come from, I feel like, I guess I have

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unfortunate to have a little bit of understanding of what it takes and what I'm concerned

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about is that when you have a staff and I feel sometimes it's inadequate staff where you

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have to have calls where you have to down a station shut down an engine or rescue unit to

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cover another call that becomes a danger of rushing you let and I think anyone that's out there

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will know that anyone that goes to Las Vegas knows that Las Vegas wasn't built on winners.

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So, if you want to play the odds and say we can continue to operate some, you know, some

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standard as far as our staffing goes, that's up to the rest of this board and myself

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to determine that.

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I would only tell you that there are issues that, unfortunately, it's very hard to pass on

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to the individual if there have not been a member of a fire service, why we run 24 hours

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years.

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Why a lot of things are done to people who don't understand, but I will tell you that if you

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cut back on a budget with road and bridges in convenient and it can be a safety issue, but the

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one thing that I want to make very, very crystal clear is that public safety, police and

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fire in EMS, or the one area is that that's your family, that's a life issue, that's a life

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quality of life, a risk that whether or not you want to take by being what the chief

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in terms of being not staffed properly in the stations, and I, for one, understand the concepts,

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understand why things have done that a lot of people don't let you've been in that business.

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And I'm not sure that I want to take the risk if the chief, we hired this chief because of the fact that he's had the experience

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to be able to look down the road and say this is what you need for the future to operate your community,

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it's safe and a safe way to protect your citizens. And that's the way I'm going to take the chief recommendation.

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I'm not going to try to second guess what he's asked for to run his department in an efficient

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safe manner. And so if he says he needs six, six people to complement the current

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staff that he has to run the department in a safe way to protect our citizens and I'm certainly

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going to take that advice. Thank you.

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You want to get in line?

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Yes.

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On our chart, the peak, time for the Miss Holles for during the day,

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ten to twelve hour period. I had asked Robbie to give me to give us figures. If we had

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a twelve hour, you didn't do this. No, then have time since he did. Okay. But he might

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be able to tell you a little bit, not in total the apartment for our shifts, but just to

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on the peak time frame.

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If we had six people working 12-hour shift

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at the end of the year, compared to working a 24-hour shift,

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why does our cost savings?

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The actual peak times, when we look at the graph,

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actually cover 14 hours.

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7 o'clock in the morning, till 9 o'clock at night,

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actual cost of the personnel in your scenario

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with six people, on the 12-hour shift versus six people, on the 24-hour shift, and it stands

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right now, based on the union contract wages and stuff, would be the same. Because the

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a firefighter, parametric, has an established year, we income, regardless of their shift,

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we work, the thing that only thing that changes is the hourly rate to make up that year

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So, six people from a salary point of view would be the same amount as on the 24-hour shifts.

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The one thing that I would say is, and I will put this out there as a fire chief, it's that, if we were completely staffed,

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as it stands right now, I've come before the board, we know that the station by the prison, they take whichever truck they take.

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All right, so we know at times that engine is not in service because they run a majority of calls.

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We know at times the second rescue of this station around the corner is not out.

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If we were fully staffed, those people were fully staffed going for a seven,

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and we were experienced with some spikes in our peak demand times,

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I would say that a polyphogram of trying it for a couple of years to see if it helps

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would be a solid prudent claim for my staff to consider.

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However, the overall scheme that we're trying to go with increased safety on the seams,

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the biggest bang for the dollar for the citizens, and all that kind of stuff, I firmly

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believe that the six new people on the 24-hour shift that puts that unit in service 24-7

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is the best option?

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Chief, I know that you're looking for it now,

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someplace and all of this stuff that we have,

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and I apologize to you on it, stuff that we'll tell you.

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Here we go.

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You can call it data, you can call it whatever it is,

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as long as we organize it here right in the UK.

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We talked a little bit about the last year

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with the sheriff's budget of comparing various counties

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with other counties. I know there was a lot of concern and comment that it's like comparing

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apples and oranges. So, this document, you provided me the day or provided the commissioners,

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what I did, I threw a lot of the stuff out with the exception of probably one or two of them.

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Typically, Swanney County looks to me, populations fairly close, square mile is fairly close,

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budgets fairly close. Number calls, 7,000 calls, 43 paid, 11 volunteers and five stations. That's kind

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of a fairly decent comparison in my estimation. To go look at Highlands County, that was a comment from

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one of the folks in the community about what Highlands County did. And I believe it's on here someplace

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At least I thought he was.

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It was on the back page.

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That's Henry on the back page.

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It was a separate document.

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It was a second.

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Highlands.

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Highlands has a lot of balance.

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Highlands has a lot of balance.

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They still have the numbers.

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A page.

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A balance.

447
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,160
Your stations have a lot of fixed assets.

448
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,240
But the point of it was is that then I'll look over at

449
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:29,310
Henry County.

450
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:33,950
Populations close to square mileage is about 1200 square miles.

451
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:41,070
versus our 7-something, their budget is about 2.5 million dollars, their power budget is about 1.0 or

452
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:47,050
EMS budget. So there's about 3.5 million dollars, 6,000 calls. Point of it is, is that it

453
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:54,870
seems to me that if you put 6 people on whether that's 24 hours or 12 hours and you can, it

454
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:59,970
would match up with the project number of calls. I think the number of calls we have right now

455
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:03,190
1,174 at the end of June.

456
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:11,170
Yes, we're anticipating that by the end of this calendar year, we'll be in 8,254 calls.

457
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:15,210
So when I said 10% about 2014.

458
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:21,910
So when I did compare some of what between on 2014, 2015, the first six months,

459
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:26,510
it might be about 9.2% in terms of increased calls.

460
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:27,910
That's correct.

461
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:34,570
Okay, so the moral of the story is I don't I don't personally I think that from right now

462
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:41,610
What I see is if I compare apples and apples here is the six people probably we could we manage that

463
00:39:42,010 --> 00:39:48,410
But I will say this is that I think that unless there is significant growth in the community

464
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:53,270
And I'm talking about population explosion of in the next couple years

465
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:55,130
I think that's where you gonna stay

466
00:39:55,130 --> 00:40:01,410
I don't see adding people by grant sounds and waiting, you know, as we play down that picture

467
00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:05,550
about putting a grant, getting a grant, putting the people on, and then in and up picking

468
00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:10,830
up the cost of the latest time, I don't see that happening unless we start seeing a tremendous

469
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:16,650
amount of influx of people coming in here that is going to change the dynamics and the geographical

470
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:22,750
area that you're serving. So all I said is that I believe of all of this stuff that you've

471
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:35,710
which I certainly appreciate it, that's been quite illuminating to see the number of calls per day, and I agree that your calls are from 7 o'clock till 9 o'clock. 7 o'clock in the morning and 9 o'clock need me.

472
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:43,330
My personal opinion is I see that the six would probably be okay, but I would put the caveat is that that's where it goes.

473
00:40:43,870 --> 00:40:49,290
I mean, if you look at Swani County, there's that in 43, you would be sitting at 42.

474
00:40:50,710 --> 00:41:09,770
And their calls are probably in association with it, but I would consider that we would not be adding that additional people in the future unless there were some things relative to change in demographics and population and things of that sort.

475
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:17,870
I would agree and in my staff and I would not come forward for extra people unless we had that data that's left

476
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:18,590
against the show.

477
00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:20,150
Okay.

478
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:23,680
For the comments?

479
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:31,220
Well, I can tell you that since I was elected in 2008, every year they have come to us for the

480
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:38,480
safer hand for everything and we have refused to let them hire anyone until now.

481
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,600
In like I've said, yes, in previous meetings, from 2007 when Stationsville was opened,

482
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:51,600
throughout the end of 2014 to 37% increase in calls with a standard population.

483
00:41:52,180 --> 00:42:00,580
There's all kinds of things that are potentially driving that, but the reality is, is that one of the things

484
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:08,060
that is common, craft, and skills to when you go to look at staffing models as to look at

485
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:10,740
a sustained trend not just at the level.

486
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:19,500
And I think that over the time we're showing a sustained trend, even our transports of 27%

487
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:21,480
at the United States period of time.

488
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,860
Well, I'll tell you this year with Robbie Chagin, had in the departments come in and give

489
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:35,700
their presentation has really helped us is where you have, where you have been, and where

490
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:40,480
you go in for the future, for the plans are for the county. It gives us an insight to

491
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,720
what our future holds for us. And we really appreciate a lot of work from every department

492
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:47,660
has gone into this.

493
00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:52,800
I'm not proposing to what Commissioner Burrell said. I think he was absolutely correct. And

494
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,020
the reason, thus the reason we do budgets, either every year or in this case, I think it's

495
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:03,760
year system. That's specifically the reason why, because none of us up here have a

496
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,120
crystal ball. We don't know what the future is going to hold. We don't know what,

497
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,100
you know, the new development is going to bring from overturning it. We know what

498
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:14,160
the power plant. Those are all things. And I think, you know, the whole idea is to assess

499
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,220
the needs when those needs arise. So, you can't just continue to go on forever if

500
00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:28,000
your population goes up, if your mind calls go up. You certainly have to adjust your

501
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,340
the miconsurn about public safety and the fact that we've got to keep all the safety to

502
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:39,120
where that needs to be to protect our citizens. And with that there's no other questions

503
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,620
I'd like to make the motion at the bills.

504
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,740
I'm sorry.

505
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,900
I'm not putting it up.

506
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:43,520
I'm sorry.

507
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,020
I apologize.

508
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:47,020
Just a comment.

509
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,100
Chief, this comes from somebody that the public yesterday.

510
00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:55,110
Apparently they were sitting in a restaurant

511
00:43:55,110 --> 00:43:59,490
you know, the fire in the MS come in and they were in the county, the fire in the

512
00:43:59,490 --> 00:44:06,390
MS people come in and they had a 911 call, brought the gurney in, and then they brought

513
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:11,630
the gurney out with nobody on. So there's calls, you know, I think from there perspective

514
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:18,530
is it, you know, who pays for those calls? And is there some way that if a person refuses

515
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:26,870
is to go to the hospital or to medical facility. Is there some way for that person to still

516
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:30,810
get charged? If the fact that individual has refused to go, even though they've called

517
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:34,630
911, that's the question from the public that I had no end for.

518
00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:40,350
Yes, there is a mechanism that we have a quite a bit of issues with like that. We currently

519
00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:47,410
have an ordinance in place that allows for the bill of the charge of $150 for treatment

520
00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:54,350
rendered effective use transport. That is one of my tasks and upcoming months is to look

521
00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:59,570
at the EMS coordinates to see if our rates are where we're at.

522
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,420
There is a couple of changes in there. I know that we may, because of statutory objectives. But yes, there is a mechanism for that, but when a person is treated and refused this transfer.

523
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:19,120
Do we use that? Are we, are we building these people? No, sir. We don't. That's something.

524
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,500
There's the problem.

525
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:20,600
There's the problem.

526
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,700
That's something that's interesting.

527
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,160
It's going to be implemented.

528
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,560
It's going to be implemented.

529
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,860
I have meetings with all my staff coming up in the month of December so that we can give

530
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:31,720
them the parameters as when it's going to occur.

531
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,740
How about October 1?

532
00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:40,600
It'll be in place before then, but I have opportunity where I'll be physically talking

533
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,500
with each employee and when we're in a time, so that when I get out of the policy, everybody

534
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:46,940
gets it at one time.

535
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:47,760
Okay.

536
00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:48,540
Thank you.

537
00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:51,060
Can I just go ahead and go ahead, Margaret, please?

538
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,820
When you get to a call and the patient refuses to get to the hospital, can you still build

539
00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:03,940
their insurance company for the call and the patient's pay if the patient refuses?

540
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:10,580
I understand from our billing company that that fee for refusal after treatment is not covered

541
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:12,540
by insurance or Medicare or Medicaid.

542
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,080
The patient will have illness.

543
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:21,030
So then what you're going to come up to is whether they pay it and will how much right after you're going to have so we may be charging and never receiving it

544
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:23,740
Why does we don't charge it we

545
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:28,400
I had someone

546
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,860
Here that story of make for my personal experience where

547
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,320
They called them as, came to the house, did not.

548
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,380
They decided that the person did not need to go anywhere.

549
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:41,960
And he said, I don't know why it didn't get built.

550
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,760
Because obviously the county had expense involved.

551
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,060
They came, spent 30 minutes with me, didn't send me a bill.

552
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:53,720
And he said, I thought that was kind of an interesting thing that we,

553
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,620
that we, county didn't expect to collect some kind of money on a response.

554
00:46:57,620 --> 00:47:00,760
But I can assure you that's only to do this.

555
00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:05,640
Well, I will say this is that there's a lot of concern

556
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,840
with adding cost and adding people and wherever you'd be doing.

557
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:13,460
The issue is, it's that when you're out

558
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:16,060
of expending dollars to go out and fix somebody else or

559
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:19,880
a 991 call, somewhere along the line,

560
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:27,600
we need to charge those people because the individual

561
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,700
another individual that's called about a half a dozen times, even if there are husbands

562
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,760
sneezes, they're called for 911 call and the person and you folks have to be dispatched

563
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:42,340
out there. And so at some given time, that's a lot of expense, you know, back to the taxpayers

564
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:48,480
would know retrieval, not your points well taken, probably, is it? Yeah, we may not get something

565
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,640
but we don't build it, we may not know. Right, it certainly wasn't meant to say that, not to

566
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,840
build, I completely agree with building and I'm glad that the ordinance has it in there and

567
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,500
should be using it and the person might call and I mean even if I can't afford to pay the

568
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:07,060
whole thing that they pay part of it. Well, they may not even call and they may not

569
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:12,320
call and they may not be calling. That's the best way to call and you if they, unless they have

570
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,180
something seriously, they're going to be charged each time they call. Right. They may think

571
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:23,460
and I'll tell you Chief, that will go a long ways in terms of some folks when they take a look

572
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:26,820
but the additional dollars here and how they're being spent,

573
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,760
at least they're saying, well, some people,

574
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:32,740
these people are getting charged even though they may not be

575
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:36,140
paying an M.S. guys, or a fire tax.

576
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,840
If I just, I'll make this real brief,

577
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,380
because I've seen this happen many times in 21 years,

578
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:44,940
and it happened at the airport.

579
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:46,780
The gentleman didn't take his insulin the morning.

580
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:47,760
He passed out.

581
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:51,940
Someone else called 911 when he gets what that time they got there.

582
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:57,140
because what is new and fine is no need to be transported. So you're going to build that

583
00:48:57,140 --> 00:49:02,840
person when in fact as he never called for EMS, someone else did. So there's a lot of variables

584
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,640
that take place in. And that goes back to what I was explaining. Many people make a lot of comments,

585
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,840
you know, why do the firefighters go to the store and the truck. It's because they're on duty

586
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,340
24 hours. You know, there's a reason for it. But unfortunately, we don't have the ability to answer

587
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:21,920
all those questions that come up. End of legitimate questions. And I'm sure if you ask a firefight

588
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,640
I dare they'll tell you or please answer why they do what they do, but most people won't

589
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,000
they'll write a letter to the editor or they'll make a comment on Facebook or something because

590
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,440
they don't understand the intricate work, inner workings of a public safety.

591
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:39,860
And I think that's important to understand as there's many times when a person has an issue

592
00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:40,960
and they come out of it.

593
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,500
They don't want to be transferred to hospital and curl all those costs.

594
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,420
Many times if it's not a life-threatening transport, they'll go BLS, call in a private ambulance.

595
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:51,260
So they're going to get built twice.

596
00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:55,760
That's the whole purpose that we have fire rescue is because they pay for it.

597
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:57,220
People pay for it in their taxes.

598
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,120
So now it's a double taxation.

599
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:03,220
They could look at it like double taxation when you run a call.

600
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,020
And then they get a bill for what they're already paying for on their tax bill.

601
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,200
So it's an understanding.

602
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,000
It's an issue of people understanding how the system works.

603
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:15,420
And maybe we haven't done a good enough job

604
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:20,680
explain to people and educate them as how the system actually works and it's finite presentation.

605
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:25,920
We use in your example, I always expect a change.

606
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,580
If we went out to the airport and found the individual had a situation,

607
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:35,080
I would expect to achieve to make that determination, whoever's on duty to make that determination,

608
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,380
whether or not to build that individual or not.

609
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:45,400
Because it's got to be some managerial process that they exert relative to the process by which they go out on.

610
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:52,140
Now, when you talk about taxpayers paying, there's a lot of people don't pay this.

611
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:58,840
The businesses here pay this the majority of this fee and the people who own homes pay the

612
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,780
majority of this fee and there's a lot of people who don't pay this stuff but they're

613
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:07,260
and those people are the ones or the percentage of those people are the ones that they

614
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:07,540
will.

615
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:14,040
Well, these 9-1-1 call, they call 9-1-1, add a flash and guess what, we're out, that's not

616
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:19,400
of dollars, whatever it costs to run that amulet, so the process about billing them is the

617
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,120
only way you're going to be able to actively treat people.

618
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:28,380
And the managed URL process that we've given the chief, as him being the department head,

619
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,960
is part of his process to be able to manage that.

620
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:32,520
That's the way I would look at it.

621
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:33,760
Well, and that's a fine analogy.

622
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:38,460
What I'm telling you is that every case stands on its own merit, everyone is different.

623
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,480
So then you get into a situation where you're trying to cherry-pick which ones apply and

624
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,780
No, and you can do that. And I can understand, you know, that you have someone that comes

625
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:51,960
down, you know, that doesn't, there's not a resident here, either full-time or part-time,

626
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:57,120
comes down, has an emergency. Yes, there has to be a mechanism in place to be able to recover

627
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,640
those funds. And I certainly can occur with that. But it's not an easy situation to figure

628
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,280
out which one should pay, which one shouldn't pay if they're paying it, you know, in attacks

629
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,320
as business residential, they all pay it. But what I think the biggest mistake is, is people

630
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:20,020
don't understand that police, fire, AMS, or like when you buy insurance when you car.

631
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960
You pray to God, you never have to use it.

632
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,980
But when you do need it, you don't want the general, necessarily, you want a good, reputable

633
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:29,980
company, this dare and train.

634
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:37,640
We need to take care of your needs at any given time, and I think when people look at it from the angle of its an insurance policy, I think they start to understand hurricane.

635
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:44,960
You know, you buy insurance policy. She has to say, okay, I was not going to blow away, but if it does, you want to have someone there to be able to repair it and you go with it.

636
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,440
And I think that's the mindset that people have to understand is you're actually buying an insurance policy and how good of insurance policy do you want.

637
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,640
Well, as we address the ordinance in regards to the bill bills for the treatment and

638
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,120
the refusals, we'll make sure the policies fair and equitable to the best of our bill.

639
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:09,610
I have two final comments and then we'll open public here.

640
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:15,660
And the information that you gave us, one of the questions you asked was about variable staffing

641
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:26,270
or, you know, if you gave us at least eight, I looked at, there were two of them to say

642
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:32,570
they didn't do variable staffing or the other six said yes they do, so they had shifts

643
00:53:32,570 --> 00:53:39,670
other than 24 hours shifts to supplement their volume or their high volume times rather

644
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:46,450
than scheduling around a clock. So obviously that's option works in a lot of places and what

645
00:53:46,450 --> 00:53:52,030
understanding of you is, is that the union agreement does not allow that or it would be too

646
00:53:52,030 --> 00:54:01,010
costly to do that. And we're going to talk about that later in the day. So it's obvious that

647
00:54:01,010 --> 00:54:07,850
majority of those eight entities, some are Mercedes, some are McCown, and so forth. But they did

648
00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:14,430
use variable staffing to meet those high volume times to, and it might be that if you have

649
00:54:14,430 --> 00:54:22,250
in times of 70 and 70 and you might have four people on that year for rather than two people on that year.

650
00:54:22,610 --> 00:54:27,490
You put two people on a shift around a clock that still might not fix your problem.

651
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:34,210
My last comment is, you know, over the years some of us have been

652
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,660
encouraged the sheriff's department to look at his expenses.

653
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:57,520
And I thought it interesting comparison, I looked at Fire EMS in Maine, that's all three of the entities, and compared it to the corrections budget for the last five years or four years plus the coming year.

654
00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:01,880
Corrections is gone from almost $6 million to $5.3 million.

655
00:55:02,940 --> 00:55:09,580
Fire EMS has gone from $4.4 million to $5.7 million. The exact reverse of what the sheriff

656
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:15,720
has been able to accomplish in correction. So we're now talking about spending about

657
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:21,460
half a million dollars more than correction departments now spending. And also, at the current

658
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:28,440
budget proposed budget for 1516, it's a million dollars more than prior year, actual,

659
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:31,860
not

660
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:37,340
look, it didn't look, it capital didn't consider capital. It's a million dollars more than

661
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:38,840
the current budget year we have.

662
00:55:41,530 --> 00:55:46,490
So that's what I'm concerned about. And after all, this

663
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:53,690
$15 a household is $750,000 we're going to take out of people's pocket in this community.

664
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,360
It's coming out of their pockets, man, not,

665
00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:02,880
and that's more of the concern. We're taking

666
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:09,460
additional $750,000 in money out of people's pocket in this community, that they might spend,

667
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,360
rather than us, man.

668
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,740
Go ahead and open a public hearing.

669
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:20,720
This is regards to the annual rate resolution for, in fire safety,

670
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,580
as it is a non-advalorum

671
00:56:25,580 --> 00:56:26,060
assessment.

672
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:34,380
And the detail is in the budget pack, I mean, in the agenda packet, as anyone here

673
00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:35,800
to speak on that.

674
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:47,620
Last call anybody wish to speak on it. Motion. Make the motion to be

675
00:56:47,620 --> 00:56:48,980
OCC adopt resolution.

676
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:54,620
Make the motion to put the hearing thank you.

677
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,120
Second. Second one. Mr. Burrell.

678
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,340
May I have motion in a second to close public hearing those in favor say aye.

679
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:07,500
Aye. Opposed. Like sign. Motion carries.

680
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:15,100
Next item on the agenda.

681
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:20,230
It is to approve the resolution as presented.

682
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:25,360
It's very far other if you wish to do so.

683
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:33,100
I'm a commotion at the BLCC, Dr. Resolution 2015-31 relating to the provision of fire rescue

684
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:37,480
services facilities and programs in the Ocachobe County Municipal Service Benefit Unit

685
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:43,480
for fire rescue services, establishing the rate of assessment, re-imposing fire rescue

686
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,440
assessments against assess property located within the Ocachobe County Municipal

687
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,380
services benefit unit for fire rescue services for the fiscal year beginning October 1,

688
00:57:53,540 --> 00:57:58,220
2015, approving the assessment role providing force over ability, providing an effective

689
00:57:58,220 --> 00:57:58,980
date.

690
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,280
Motion by Mr. Cooper, second by Mr. Burrow.

691
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,100
Those in favour say aye.

692
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,400
Opposed, like sign. Aye. Motion carries 31.

693
00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:18,400
Next item on the agenda's public hearing regarding

694
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,020
annual rate resolution for emergency medical service and non-advalorum tax assessment.

695
00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:23,620
But

696
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,080
the EMS rates were adopted.

697
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,200
The preliminary rates were adopted at the same July meeting.

698
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,040
The rate for the homeowner would be $80.

699
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,940
With the proportional 16.67 percent.

700
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:52,820
That's not right. 23.54 percent increase applied to all the other rates.

701
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,560
And the same discussion we just had on fire with the six additional employees.

702
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,840
and the major capital item is a ambulance,

703
00:59:04,930 --> 00:59:06,670
23.84 percent.

704
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,940
Okay. Any questions?

705
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:12,820
Ladies and gentlemen.

706
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:23,040
The same comments to you chief relative to the MSPs, as I said with the fire.

707
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,160
Well, the comments, the question will go ahead and open the public hearing.

708
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:37,620
regarding establishing the rate for emergency medical services as a non-advalorant tax assessment.

709
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:41,500
Public hearings now up on anyone which is big on this.

710
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:46,690
Last call.

711
00:59:49,590 --> 00:59:50,570
The Commission closed.

712
00:59:50,970 --> 00:59:52,210
The Commission closed by Ms. Health.

713
00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:55,910
Second by Mr. Culver.

714
00:59:57,850 --> 00:59:58,390
Any discussion?

715
01:00:01,230 --> 01:00:06,870
Pledge of the Board on Resolution 2015-32, regarding EMS services,

716
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:09,700
on the closing.

717
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,220
I'll make a motion that the BEOCC adopt Resolution 2015-32.

718
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:17,800
Right, yes.

719
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:22,360
Relating to the provision of emergency medical services facilities and programs in the Eclipse of the County

720
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,500
Municipal Service Benefit Unit for emergency medical services, establishing the rate of assessment,

721
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:33,020
re-imposing and we're decimetical services assessments against benefit, benefited, property located

722
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:38,160
with the near Richard B. County Municipal Services benefit unit for emergency medical services

723
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,480
for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2015, approved in the assessment role, providing

724
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,620
for several ability, providing an effective date. Motion by Mr. Calpair.

725
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,460
I second by Ms. Helsing. This is to approve. I approve the proposed rate for emergency medical

726
01:00:55,460 --> 01:00:57,680
Those in favour say aye.

727
01:00:58,060 --> 01:00:58,100
Aye.

728
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,720
The others like sign.

729
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,040
Motion passes.

730
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:02,300
Three.

731
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:03,160
One.

732
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:07,320
Thank you, Chief.

733
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:08,460
Thank you, Commissioner.

734
01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:15,490
General business.

735
01:01:17,730 --> 01:01:19,570
Sheriff's request to spend due to money.

736
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:25,550
Says Monica on here, but I don't see Monica.

737
01:01:25,770 --> 01:01:26,430
So I guess that.

738
01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:28,150
Oh, that's Monica.

739
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:28,830
I said, okay.

740
01:01:32,610 --> 01:01:33,630
Monica, you have changed.

741
01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:36,930
This is a request.

742
01:01:36,930 --> 01:01:40,730
Just can do too money to balance fiscal year budget.

743
01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:42,990
I'm not sure if I understand what that means.

744
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:44,910
I know if you're dealt my own place.

745
01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:53,410
You'll see the agenda packet Monica supplied you with the breakdown of the

746
01:01:53,410 --> 01:01:58,250
monies which is estimated at the time that report was generated to be a

747
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:59,610
approximately $90,000.

748
01:02:00,170 --> 01:02:02,750
Those monies are generated from the senior mills that was here,

749
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:05,690
prepares and sends out three senior services,

750
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:08,690
and other collection of monies investigated,

751
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:14,990
of cost and other things throughout the year that is money is received by the sheriff that

752
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:20,410
is given back to the county as revenue. We're asking as we did last year in the so-called

753
01:02:20,410 --> 01:02:26,390
being a general practice moving forward that those money's collected be used and utilized

754
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:34,530
in the back in the sheriff's budget. We are on track of where we should be as you see the

755
01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:40,590
miscommissioning gives you those financial reports. And we are probably anticipating to have about

756
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:46,750
50,000 of our left of the shares, 14 million dollars budget at the end of the year. It just cuts

757
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:52,450
us a little too close to, you know, to make us feel comfortable. Should we get a hurricane? Should we

758
01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:58,870
have something break? We just want a little bit more money in our coffers so we can expend those

759
01:02:58,870 --> 01:03:00,510
dollars at the end of the year.

760
01:03:03,010 --> 01:03:03,530
How

761
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:12,810
do we do we notice in the budget somewhere the income as an income stream or something?

762
01:03:13,330 --> 01:03:15,870
It's just the money that we give back at the end of the year.

763
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:22,150
Do we include that as a, you know, most budgets have some revenue showing revenue collected or something?

764
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:30,180
In the past up until this 1415 budget, I did budget for share effects as fees.

765
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,560
I stopped budgeting for share effects as fees in this current budget.

766
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:40,960
because it's unpredictable, and because we've reduced their budget down, and they really didn't

767
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:46,060
have much more room, so I've not asked for any funds, but I've not asked, but I've not

768
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:47,680
budgeted or anticipated any extra funds.

769
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,340
Return to us.

770
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:48,860
Correct.

771
01:03:54,940 --> 01:04:00,500
Do we not include that kind of stuff in everybody just, I guess we can't include it in the budget

772
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:01,180
to start with?

773
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Well you do.

774
01:04:01,940 --> 01:04:04,500
The senior meals is put in their budget as an expenditure.

775
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,220
There's an expanse, I understand that, but we know where we get off-setting.

776
01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:11,220
I know where it records that expanse, right?

777
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:16,140
Oh, and that's, it is a budgeted line, I don't know, it fluctuates, it used to be as many

778
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:21,680
as 300, nothing now currently, we're down to 180 or 17, you know, and then we'll go back

779
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,000
up and see some, but it is a, it is a forecasted number that we tried to develop.

780
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,900
I mean, I guess my question is, is there some way we could just include this in their budget

781
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:31,460
to start with?

782
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,660
There's no last year we did this in August.

783
01:04:33,660 --> 01:04:39,720
senior meals are included. The rest of the due to money that they are showing there

784
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,460
are not included in their budget from what I can tell. But the senior meals are.

785
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,440
Yeah. I mean, to me, it doesn't sound good to the public. We need this money to balance

786
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,600
the budget. I would prefer to begin the budget, which it is. I'm not, I'm not, is there

787
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,100
some way that it should be in the budget rather than us to do this.

788
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,860
Technically, as in the budget, as they're counting practices and principles, I think that

789
01:05:01,860 --> 01:05:07,260
have this, you know, these kind of things applied, you know, why and what Ford

790
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:11,740
have comes, that's the, that's for those, those folks to answer.

791
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:18,420
That's the point that we hold no reserves anymore, and the public doesn't know that.

792
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:20,440
Well, I understand that.

793
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:26,680
I'm saying when it doesn't know that, if we run out of money, I've got to come back

794
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,920
before we announced for reserves, which looks like we couldn't make the budget, which

795
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:35,120
not the case because you're holding the reserves. That's the point I'd like to make.

796
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,000
That was it.

797
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:40,080
But it's, I mean, I guess my point doesn't make it. It just looks like when you say,

798
01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:45,300
we've got to fund this to balance your budget that doesn't sound good here.

799
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:46,120
That's all right.

800
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:47,680
I mean, the money is balanced.

801
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,280
We're balanced.

802
01:05:48,380 --> 01:05:48,840
I know that.

803
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,100
But that's my point. You're all balanced.

804
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:51,920
I know that.

805
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:53,580
Yeah.

806
01:05:54,060 --> 01:05:55,060
My balance type.

807
01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:55,920
I know.

808
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:56,640
Very type.

809
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:04,540
But when you, you know, to move on, but I'm saying it doesn't look there when you say that, that you need that money.

810
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:05,760
I agree.

811
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,740
To do that.

812
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:12,360
It ought to be somewhere to do that other than to balance your budget.

813
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,680
And I know last year we did this, I think we got all the money back then.

814
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,940
I mean, very close to all of that.

815
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:19,380
We did it.

816
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:25,600
It's just like right now we don't know with it.

817
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:29,800
We're putting up if nothing happens if this hurricane comes in we're going to pull our shifts

818
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,480
It's not a thing.

819
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:31,700
It's not a thing.

820
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:32,720
I understand.

821
01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:34,100
I don't have a problem with that.

822
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,320
I just wish there were another way to do that.

823
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,240
We'll work on that, sir.

824
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:38,960
Okay.

825
01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:41,020
New.

826
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,200
Refresh that.

827
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:48,580
Because we had asked you to return not to anything in reserve.

828
01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:52,800
So you no longer do.

829
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:53,440
I don't.

830
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,820
We ask that at all every.

831
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,160
Well, you really have this money in there, right?

832
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:01,180
Yes, it's already there.

833
01:07:01,420 --> 01:07:03,800
This is just a bookkeeping process.

834
01:07:03,980 --> 01:07:04,640
Yes, it is.

835
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:05,560
Okay, it's there.

836
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:07,480
All right, so let's just move it.

837
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,020
That's not home in there, but we go through this exercise each year.

838
01:07:12,740 --> 01:07:16,240
So, transfer it when you've incurred the expense.

839
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:19,480
I don't know.

840
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,840
Those right back to the situation where, you know, as we have asked,

841
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:29,960
I guess in the last two years to take everything out, to take all the water out, just write down exactly what you...

842
01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:43,600
When you do that, when you have no reserves, it puts us. We're in the same situation where prudent by prunes, we keep three and a half months in our reserves for emergency situations.

843
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:55,680
So, holding all the other constitutionals all the way down to flat zero, then when you do have something come up, as we mentioned, then it has to come before the board on an emergency requisition approaches.

844
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,620
to try to get those monies, and that can be timely, assuming if you need the money very quickly.

845
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,560
So, I don't have any issue with it.

846
01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:06,280
It's not an increase in the budget.

847
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,800
It's just monies that are kept aside, if they're not used, they come back in.

848
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,440
How make the most of Board of County Commissioners,

849
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,560
authorized the sheriff to spend his click due to two monies,

850
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,060
to balance his fiscal year 2014-2015 budget?

851
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,080
Motion, Mr. Burrow.

852
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:23,920
Thank you.

853
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:24,560
We have more of them.

854
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:24,840
Thank you.

855
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:27,080
I'm just helping further discussion.

856
01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:28,860
Hearing none, those in favour say aye.

857
01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:30,320
I'd like some.

858
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:30,840
No thank you.

859
01:08:31,060 --> 01:08:31,420
Thank you.

860
01:08:31,420 --> 01:08:31,780
Thank you.

861
01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:31,820
Thank you.

862
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:33,780
Thank you.

863
01:08:33,780 --> 01:08:34,360
Thank you.

864
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,520
Item 3B.

865
01:08:35,700 --> 01:08:42,220
Request by Nancy Vaughan and Lisa Deem to discuss senior water exercise class.

866
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:58,940
Thank you.

867
01:08:59,660 --> 01:09:00,980
Thank you.

868
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,600
But it's not just a small fan to some of us.

869
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,260
As you see, we try an extension.

870
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:10,400
Can you figure it out?

871
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:13,560
If you get closer to my partner.

872
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:14,160
Okay.

873
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:17,840
That's matters.

874
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,340
She's recording.

875
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,160
Okay.

876
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:21,600
Thank you.

877
01:09:23,300 --> 01:09:31,700
We're asking for an extension of the times that we are allowed to have senior water aeropics.

878
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:49,180
As it stands now, while we use to start it in April and getting a May, and then go through to when the pool closes, but as it stands now, it's just for two and a half months.

879
01:09:50,220 --> 01:10:01,460
And I believe the additional cost is somewhere up to $100 to have the staff and the pool log,

880
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:04,760
She always is already there.

881
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:08,560
She just has to have one other life car.

882
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:15,500
It's also very beneficial for anybody that's disabled or not just seniors.

883
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,180
I'm not a senior yet, but I go.

884
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,420
I'm wired with titanium.

885
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,420
And it has helped my back.

886
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:22,600
I hit tremendously.

887
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,960
I tried the gem over here.

888
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,880
And it's very tiny the pool over there.

889
01:10:29,460 --> 01:10:35,940
It's just there's not enough room to even really do exercise as you can get magnified people and they're really and if they have a deep in

890
01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:38,800
This is a walk pool that we can walk in

891
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,920
I've been mentioning it to a lot of other people because nobody knows about this program

892
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:51,680
We don't really put it out there. I'm from over on the coast. I was born and raised there and I wish we had something like that

893
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,720
You guys have a beautiful community pool that just not get utilized

894
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:02,000
me personally, I try to go, I'm new here, I try telling people about it, I think we need

895
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:07,800
to hit doctor's offices, other places because it's a very easy price on them all it, I think

896
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,760
it's a great benefit and it's a great asset to Okachobi, especially with our senior population

897
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:18,800
but you also have a lot of disabled people, and personally the pool doesn't get that cold,

898
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,740
if we work around shallow schedule with the schools and stuff, I think we can do it,

899
01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:28,280
And I think it would be a great program, and I've brought two or three people into it myself.

900
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,780
And we go over to the coffee shop and give them business afterwards.

901
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,740
So we do try to spread the wealth around a little bit with it.

902
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:41,000
And I've developed some great, it's been a community place where I can come out and meet people.

903
01:11:41,260 --> 01:11:46,360
Because being a new person out here, and I don't work, you're very close with meeting people.

904
01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:51,400
And this is another source of outcome for other people who have nothing or nobody can meet.

905
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,120
So I would really appreciate it if you guys would approve it.

906
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:55,460
Thank you.

907
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,740
I will tell you something.

908
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:57,360
Lisa.

909
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:57,700
Lisa.

910
01:11:58,420 --> 01:11:59,260
Please don't laugh.

911
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:06,260
But looking at me, I actually used to run a gym for people with the average age was 78.

912
01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:07,660
It found a late worth.

913
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:15,880
And the passive resistance with water aerobics was so incredibly beneficial to that age group

914
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,620
that to not be able to expand on that and see more people benefit from it.

915
01:12:20,620 --> 01:12:25,820
American, it's a matter of education, educate people that we actually have that facility and offer that service.

916
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,240
But I taught those classes, believe it or not, and they were fun.

917
01:12:30,740 --> 01:12:31,920
It gets people involved.

918
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,520
It gets a lot of people who may have lost their spouse.

919
01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:39,720
Someone with activity where they can, they could dialogue with other individuals with similar problems.

920
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,240
And I think the benefit, the benefit, not only from a physical standpoint, they're also from a mental standpoint.

921
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:52,180
Because it gets these individuals out of her home and into something where they really thoroughly enjoy and benefit from a physical standpoint.

922
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,380
So I'm behind you 100%.

923
01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:58,340
You let me know what I can do beside here and I'll be down there with you.

924
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:00,680
Because I love that idea.

925
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:01,600
I really do.

926
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:02,280
Yeah.

927
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:06,280
We also have a great water exercise teacher over there, Shelley.

928
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:07,740
Has been phenomenal.

929
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,160
She's great with the older people that can't get in and out of the pool by themselves.

930
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:17,140
She says them. We all sort of just work as a group, but she has been phenomenal with even special

931
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:23,920
showing special things to certain people. It's been a great great thing for me and I've been there for two years now.

932
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:28,900
What time do you do your classes now?

933
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:34,320
9 o'clock in the 9.15 to 10.15 a.m. Monday, Wednesday and Thursday.

934
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:43,000
We were hoping to try to keep that. We talked with Shelley. Shelley said maybe we could do it

935
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:48,080
So you're talking about doing it in the afternoon?

936
01:13:48,140 --> 01:13:48,340
Yes.

937
01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:49,960
Yeah, three o'clock.

938
01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:51,000
Something like that.

939
01:13:51,820 --> 01:13:55,200
If Shelley, that works for Shelley's time frame.

940
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:58,160
Good morning.

941
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,060
One, two, one.

942
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,700
Let me give you just a little bit of a background.

943
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:05,300
Years ago, we used to host this program during this full day when the schools would come

944
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:09,280
and we would kind of intermingle the general public with the school system.

945
01:14:09,940 --> 01:14:11,960
Once upon a time when this was taking place,

946
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:18,180
It created a conflict of interest between the school system and the scene of what exercise

947
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:21,060
where we don't know if you remember back when George Long was here.

948
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:21,980
I remember this.

949
01:14:22,180 --> 01:14:22,260
All right.

950
01:14:22,340 --> 01:14:27,320
Because the school system pays for exclusive use of that facility during the day, we're

951
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,140
not allowed to mix the general public.

952
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:34,380
So with what they're asking for, this program would have to go to the afternoons when the

953
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:37,000
school system has finished utilizing that facility.

954
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:44,860
So, the 30 days in May that they're asking for 25 days that they're asking for May, that would have to be an afternoon program.

955
01:14:45,620 --> 01:14:50,980
When we go to summer, which is in the June, that program would then go back to the 9.15 to 10 a.m.

956
01:14:51,220 --> 01:14:52,920
Typically it's a 45 minute program.

957
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,240
I'm nice to them. I love them getting early. Sometimes I keep them a little later.

958
01:14:57,740 --> 01:14:59,980
But generally by 10 o'clock in the summer, they're out of the way.

959
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:14,260
So, when the school system goes back, mid-August, their program typically ends, they're asking for an extension, so therefore their time would change once again, back to the afternoons.

960
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,360
But you're still open in the afternoon, aren't you?

961
01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:20,200
What have school clothes?

962
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:22,600
The clothes not currently open?

963
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,340
No, but I've found that during the summer.

964
01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:26,440
Oh, during the summer, the clothes is at five.

965
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:27,580
Oh, I've had to remember.

966
01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:28,560
Where are they?

967
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:29,300
Our staff is there.

968
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:30,220
Early is 16.

969
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:31,920
The shop waves.

970
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,800
Swim program starts as early as 7 a.m.

971
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,560
They practice from 7 to 9.

972
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,960
Then we have senior water exercise.

973
01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:40,420
Swim lessons and things like that.

974
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:41,760
Every run told 10.

975
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,000
Daycares and Day Camps are from 10 to 12.

976
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,840
During our public storm starts from at one o'clock.

977
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:53,300
In your budget, you had asked for extended time.

978
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,600
When in May were you anticipating opening?

979
01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:00,900
We actually were planning on opening the pool as early as Memorial Day

980
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:03,420
and closing as late as October 1st.

981
01:16:03,420 --> 01:16:06,220
That was the six weeks that we asked for,

982
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:07,920
additionally in this year's budget.

983
01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:10,060
But this would be additional to that.

984
01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:23,100
This was an additional to that, but we have to realize too, with this, is that it is May, the schools are still in, and they're still utilizing the pool from time to time, as Shelley was saying.

985
01:16:23,940 --> 01:16:32,460
So that class goes to three, the only additional expense for us is a additional lifeguard to watch the deck and the pool while Shelley's doing the class.

986
01:16:33,460 --> 01:16:38,460
So the costs are minimum, there's no more cost and maintenance and utilities.

987
01:16:46,090 --> 01:16:47,110
Other questions?

988
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:49,950
Do you charge for this program?

989
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:51,790
It's currently $2 per participant.

990
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:55,410
$2 per participant per class.

991
01:16:55,450 --> 01:16:55,790
Per class?

992
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:57,250
Per class, just like going to one.

993
01:16:57,450 --> 01:17:00,370
Well, swimming is three bucks, so I get a little bit of a discount.

994
01:17:00,850 --> 01:17:06,950
I will tell you, last year, the school system paid for their employees to participate in the program as well.

995
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:09,750
So it benefited our program extremely well.

996
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:16,970
this year the school system often not to provide that service to their staff because they

997
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:23,510
open the gym. It was part of their wellness committee committee and the teachers would sign in

998
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:27,050
and then at the end of the month I would submit that paperwork to the school board. So this year

999
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:32,990
we did not have that revenue from the school system. And the school has the pool from what

1000
01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:39,730
morning till noon or after how late does the school have the school system has exclusive use during

1001
01:17:39,730 --> 01:17:44,510
the school day and it depends on each individual school as to the time that they are there.

1002
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:49,910
Currently right now I have central elementary. Their first bus gets there at 9.35. They're

1003
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:54,830
there to a little after 11. September 8th I pick up yearling middle school where there will be

1004
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:59,170
their wiss central so it'll be a little later than the afternoon. Each individual school determines

1005
01:17:59,170 --> 01:18:04,610
the time that they are there to utilize the facility. As well as high school swim team is also

1006
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:10,130
practicing right now at 5 a.m. and then they will have afternoon swim meets, there's actually

1007
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:14,590
one next week. On Wednesday, although I received messages this morning, they need to change

1008
01:18:14,590 --> 01:18:21,230
that date to Thursday. So that would be taking place in the afternoon as well. So I'm for them

1009
01:18:21,230 --> 01:18:27,430
to extend their program, however, is going to be a scheduling thing on my end to keep it consistent

1010
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:32,890
with the times that they're able to come and participate in the program. That's the challenging

1011
01:18:34,230 --> 01:18:37,890
So screw your main stuff for it a lot?

1012
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:41,050
Or three-thirty, it just depends.

1013
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:44,510
Like I said, there's a home swim meat next week,

1014
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:48,410
and warm-up start at 4.30 and meat starts at 5.

1015
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:53,970
So I only have limited time to squeeze them in and give them out of the way.

1016
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:00,480
So basically it's a scheduling thing.

1017
01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:05,740
I need a motion.

1018
01:19:06,780 --> 01:19:11,660
Do we need a motion on that to do that, or just say it's okay to do that?

1019
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,080
I'll make a motion that the Board of County Commission is considered a request to middle

1020
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:21,820
by Nancy Vulman and Lisa Deem of the Senior Water Exercise Class of Okochil B.C.

1021
01:19:21,820 --> 01:19:28,760
In approval for extended pool hours of the sports complex pool from May 1st to September 30th

1022
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,720
and seeking financial support from the Board.

1023
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:40,400
And the financial support is how much the additional wife guard the financial index has three hundred dollars

1024
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,260
Not three hundred dollars for the additional thirty five days

1025
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:47,890
and you can handle that right in your budget

1026
01:19:49,770 --> 01:19:51,970
Yes, I figured out

1027
01:19:51,970 --> 01:19:53,370
Motion by Mitch Gauber

1028
01:19:53,370 --> 01:19:55,890
Second, so I give my miss help for other just guys

1029
01:19:57,070 --> 01:19:59,050
And I was in favor say I I

1030
01:19:59,050 --> 01:20:00,830
Like to motion carries

1031
01:20:01,510 --> 01:20:06,160
Thank you. Thank you. I'll half fine with it

1032
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:15,120
It might be nice to put something on the website about that particular program being available.

1033
01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:23,130
Okay.

1034
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:25,570
We'll take a break for five minutes.

1035
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,240
Next, next item, one, two, three, see.

1036
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:45,520
It's a request by Mr. Gurney Business,

1037
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,180
to develop a more vote for Chair of the County.

1038
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:48,680
Mr. Gurney?

1039
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:53,170
One thing we before we start.

1040
01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:54,050
Yes, sir.

1041
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:58,750
is that I'm going to recuse myself from voting on this because I am the president of the Chamber of Commerce.

1042
01:21:00,050 --> 01:21:02,070
And so I think that would make more appropriate.

1043
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,540
We don't have money for any money.

1044
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:08,480
I don't know.

1045
01:21:09,340 --> 01:21:11,000
I just look like they're working on the community.

1046
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:13,680
They are very grateful.

1047
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:14,980
They're very grateful.

1048
01:21:14,980 --> 01:21:15,280
They're very grateful.

1049
01:21:16,420 --> 01:21:16,900
Yes.

1050
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:18,660
They fixed them yesterday.

1051
01:21:22,460 --> 01:21:23,960
Good morning, commissioners.

1052
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:24,500
Good morning.

1053
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:33,020
I'm John Gurney, business development and assistance coordinator underneath the Chamber of Commerce of Oklahoma County.

1054
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,780
I know you prefer answers instead of questions.

1055
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:53,140
So I'd like to present a plan to you today, which answers the question on how the county can form an economic development arm by implementing a partnership with the Chamber of Commerce.

1056
01:21:53,140 --> 01:22:06,840
This plan will answer many of the points expressed in the strategic plan workshop that we went through back in May in which economic development was a critical key throughout the entire process.

1057
01:22:09,860 --> 01:22:13,560
Business development assistance objectives,

1058
01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:20,560
I've been actively engaged in this for over two years.

1059
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:25,640
And in that process, I've been able to help over 70 businesses.

1060
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,760
These are both local and about the area.

1061
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:49,570
Currently, I'm working with three startups and four small businesses wanting to expand, but on a daily basis, I answer business related questions, find them resources, things like that.

1062
01:22:50,890 --> 01:22:59,930
To complete these objectives, I've been able to form a couple of pretty critical networks underneath the chamber.

1063
01:22:59,930 --> 01:23:04,410
One of the primaries is the 17 member

1064
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:11,650
network representing business support related organizations.

1065
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:17,030
This would include like the Small Business Administration, Small Business Development Center,

1066
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:24,710
Score, Manufacturers, Expansion Partnership, a Center for the Regional Planning Council,

1067
01:23:24,710 --> 01:23:32,590
South Florida, Manufacturers Association, and 11 more, including a couple of private companies

1068
01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:39,550
that have joined the organization like Geekson Board, Prickers Insurance has been a big

1069
01:23:39,550 --> 01:23:47,310
help because he carries such a murder line. He's always been a great resource. I also have a

1070
01:23:47,310 --> 01:23:54,410
network of 10 commercial lenders that cover Oakie Chovey County and most people don't understand

1071
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:57,830
that we have 10, which is a benefit to the county.

1072
01:23:59,450 --> 01:24:01,750
I also work with the OPEC,

1073
01:24:01,810 --> 01:24:03,390
Joby County Board of Relief,

1074
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:07,490
the Builders Network, and find a commercial property.

1075
01:24:08,410 --> 01:24:10,430
And one of the things that we want to do

1076
01:24:10,430 --> 01:24:14,270
is upgrade the commercial listings

1077
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:17,490
on the Chamber website so that we have

1078
01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:20,290
a more accurate picture of what's available

1079
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:22,590
on OPEC, Joby County, because we do have

1080
01:24:22,590 --> 01:24:25,310
site selectors in that website all the time.

1081
01:24:27,190 --> 01:24:35,410
Now, one of the keys to the success on this has been, I work with the company and we complete

1082
01:24:35,410 --> 01:24:36,930
an information form.

1083
01:24:37,570 --> 01:24:42,750
In that form, it describes the company gives a little background, but one of the main components

1084
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:51,590
is they have an opportunity to express hurdles that they're encountering things that

1085
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:58,170
stop their progress, it could be a myriad of things. Once we've completed that form, I

1086
01:24:58,170 --> 01:25:05,970
sent it out to the members of these networks. I gather all their responses back, remit

1087
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:11,370
with the company, and from that point we look at all of them in form of gameplay, and I

1088
01:25:11,370 --> 01:25:21,570
can tell you it works extremely well. And it's kind of nice on one side because when the

1089
01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:23,150
because they want the business.

1090
01:25:26,670 --> 01:25:31,870
As I mentioned, 70 businesses, they're both local and out of town, because I'm constantly

1091
01:25:31,870 --> 01:25:34,810
looking for recruiting businesses to come in.

1092
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:42,310
One of the recent ones was Brian Mayhol at the city contacted me and said that they have

1093
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:47,430
a restaurant that's poking around, looking at all the Chobit County, and would I mind stepping

1094
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:50,270
in and working with them, and as a decorsionate.

1095
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:53,330
So it ended up being a attorney out of Atlanta.

1096
01:25:54,630 --> 01:26:02,250
So I was able to supply demographics, the FDOT traffic study,

1097
01:26:02,590 --> 01:26:07,190
I included Matt Schelling, Ocachobe County Central Location,

1098
01:26:07,650 --> 01:26:10,490
as well as available sites, and answered a whole

1099
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:12,090
myriad of other questions.

1100
01:26:12,810 --> 01:26:16,570
Right down to have to have a refrigerated dumpster.

1101
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:23,450
You know, but those are the little things that add up at the end to four of the picture.

1102
01:26:24,710 --> 01:26:27,710
Fortunately, everything went well and that committed to it.

1103
01:26:27,730 --> 01:26:40,170
We know that it's XB's restaurant and they're going to be starting, you know, the building process on the property of West of the host office pretty soon.

1104
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:42,130
But that's just one example.

1105
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:46,590
I have a lot of those that I'm balancing right now trying to keep up.

1106
01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:53,720
The other thing that I'm kind of proud of is we've...

1107
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,620
I've been working with IRSC to develop incubators out of the college.

1108
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:07,840
Ocachoic campuses, I believe, the only one of the IRSC network where they don't offer incubators.

1109
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:15,640
So, this incubator is for a bakery company in the kitchen at the wheels in the center.

1110
01:27:16,060 --> 01:27:23,040
We're excited about it, of course, the bakery company is excited about it, and IRSC is excited about it.

1111
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:31,860
Because they just went through a nice expansion and put a beautiful lamp in for air conditioning, electrical things like that,

1112
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:38,360
This will open the door to the local campus to put more incubators in.

1113
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,420
So that's what we're trying to do there.

1114
01:27:43,810 --> 01:27:48,830
I was also able to get a $50,000 USBA grant,

1115
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:53,510
which will enable the chamber to set up a revolving loan fund.

1116
01:27:54,350 --> 01:27:58,610
This loan fund is designed to be able to give

1117
01:27:59,850 --> 01:28:09,110
micro loans of $5,000 to start ups and small businesses wanting to expand. Small business

1118
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:13,190
and this is under five employees and under a million dollars in revenue.

1119
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:16,170
This is the

1120
01:28:16,170 --> 01:28:20,730
little shot in the arm that they need to get over the hump and get started and start

1121
01:28:20,730 --> 01:28:26,670
getting revenue. From that point on they're producing our own revenue so then we're out

1122
01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:34,090
picture. They do repay it to $200 or most payments back, and this is what's going to perpetuate

1123
01:28:34,090 --> 01:28:35,510
this far in the future.

1124
01:28:54,160 --> 01:29:00,220
On this slide in your agenda packet, you have a two-page document

1125
01:29:00,220 --> 01:29:09,840
which explains a lot of the deliverables in much more depth. I put a couple important bullet points

1126
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:18,800
on the screen because it's part of the whole movement of moving this process forward.

1127
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:28,280
The last line isn't in the packet, but I think when you read that, you'll see that

1128
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:35,740
that is the bottom line that we're all looking for, because I help the business environment

1129
01:29:35,740 --> 01:29:43,240
creates lifestyle opportunities, everybody does well, and a big portion of everything that

1130
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:51,920
I do in this is to add money into the tax roll copper so that we can do other things,

1131
01:29:52,140 --> 01:29:55,940
keep the roads maintained, big the ditches, all of this stuff.

1132
01:29:59,280 --> 01:29:59,740
John, fine.

1133
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,120
Are you wrong that page? Can I ask you a question?

1134
01:30:04,300 --> 01:30:10,260
Can doubt that at least two sites selected visits for moving the county? Are you doing that now?

1135
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,180
Or is that?

1136
01:30:12,460 --> 01:30:18,500
Not in a conservative effort. I go to a lot of different things. I'm going to a

1137
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:26,500
Relators panel. I think the first part of the month. But I attend things like that to

1138
01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:30,180
in more information and bring those resources back.

1139
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,600
Because one to the job, the side selectors,

1140
01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:38,520
and that is how you recruit, attempt to recruit when you business it.

1141
01:30:38,580 --> 01:30:39,660
My correct.

1142
01:30:41,180 --> 01:30:44,080
Prior to my being elected, we did do the site selectors.

1143
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:45,140
Why did you do that?

1144
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:50,680
The John is basically taking the functions that I used to do relative to going to the site

1145
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:56,200
collectors working with Freddie in the F-R-E-D-C or on the coast, and he'll be doing those

1146
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:00,560
particular sites like a visit to one coming up in Chicago. I'm very shortly.

1147
01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:03,340
I knew you did. I didn't know if he could take it out.

1148
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,040
He's basically taking that response to that.

1149
01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:10,500
The lot of what I had to do was one on the moon when I find...

1150
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:16,480
Oh, you do a great job. I know the business is contact you. I just didn't know how.

1151
01:31:16,620 --> 01:31:19,280
You went out to recruit new businesses for our area.

1152
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:27,940
Well, as I find on my reach out to them, so, you know, I like to build an extensive resource list

1153
01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:38,380
because a certain building out of the airport may not suit everybody, but it could suit one person.

1154
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:44,100
Like right now, I'm going through a research and now a solar panel company and the manufacturer.

1155
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,400
Because I like to get more clean manufacturing into...

1156
01:31:52,720 --> 01:32:03,760
This has kind of been overview of both entities' roles in the community and to make this project move forward.

1157
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:22,220
The business development and assistant coordinator position is very critical to moving all of this forward as far as being a primary focal point.

1158
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:28,320
for not only businesses looking at the county, but also as the counties

1159
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:33,200
are up lay as on to the businesses. So that entails getting more

1160
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:39,020
active with all the different departments, you know, working with the

1161
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:46,180
department heads, getting that type of information. The other important part is

1162
01:32:46,180 --> 01:32:51,360
delivering a consistent message and that would be all the background people

1163
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:56,300
because now I've done it long enough where I know exactly the piece of paper that gets their

1164
01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:56,820
attention.

1165
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,860
And I'll tell you the FDA who team a traffic study has been a big help.

1166
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:11,720
When we can show 32,000 vehicles going east and west on Highway 70, it counters them looking

1167
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,760
at the population and saying, well they don't even have 40,000 people, how are they doing

1168
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:22,800
sustain my business, though we're going to do it because of the Chobes, the central point

1169
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:29,480
at the top of the lake, everybody can find it and it's a stop-off point. So like in the

1170
01:33:29,480 --> 01:33:37,160
case of the restaurant, the 40,000 residents that we have is only part of their clientele.

1171
01:33:37,220 --> 01:33:42,580
They're looking at stop and all those cars risen by their front door every day. And that's what

1172
01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:48,320
want to do and that was one of the selling points that got him. So the

1173
01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:54,960
roles are very important

1174
01:33:54,960 --> 01:34:05,540
that the county's role in this is the referral of business contacts to me from all the different

1175
01:34:05,540 --> 01:34:14,920
departments. And it could be the tax collector that just issued a business license. Once she

1176
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:19,140
does that everything stops and we don't need that time.

1177
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:27,220
I want to be able to help ensure their success and maybe coordinate some different things

1178
01:34:27,220 --> 01:34:33,800
with them, you know, according with coordinating with career source, IRSC, on worker training.

1179
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:39,320
Fortunately, I have an extensive bank round in that, so that's an easy one for me.

1180
01:34:39,620 --> 01:34:44,840
And they're very receptable to it because part of their funding hinges on doing these

1181
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,420
but things anyway so it's a good match.

1182
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:54,830
That gets that kind of help explain the open door

1183
01:34:54,830 --> 01:35:02,210
policy because I think we really need to open up communications and I think working with all

1184
01:35:02,210 --> 01:35:08,910
the department has not only can I help them but they could certainly help me in economic development

1185
01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:19,970
as well. So that communication is critical. We're also asking for a $30,000 commitment from

1186
01:35:19,970 --> 01:35:26,870
the county to help supplement this. Because I can tell you right now, I put in probably

1187
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:33,770
60 to 80 hours a week and we just really need to help supplement that. Because it's a lot

1188
01:35:33,770 --> 01:35:35,750
of expense time.

1189
01:35:41,310 --> 01:35:48,230
So I think all of this creates a plan that's workable for everybody.

1190
01:35:49,370 --> 01:35:55,530
So the county is not directly involved in trying to recruit businesses in here. We don't

1191
01:35:55,530 --> 01:36:01,010
want to get burned like saying it was the county house in the past laying out big bucks

1192
01:36:01,010 --> 01:36:07,070
for projects or collapse on them. I think, you know, I'm a firm believer in economic

1193
01:36:07,070 --> 01:36:11,150
during gardening, you know, growing your own jobs and incomes at home.

1194
01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:18,610
The other goal that I want to really pursue is raising the wages, because now what happens

1195
01:36:18,610 --> 01:36:23,970
as a site select or pulls up the demographics, they see the median household income is

1196
01:36:23,970 --> 01:36:30,270
30,000, and their mind that's two people work, and they flip the switch to off saying there's

1197
01:36:30,270 --> 01:36:31,790
no skilled workforce there.

1198
01:36:32,110 --> 01:36:33,070
We don't get a shot.

1199
01:36:33,070 --> 01:36:43,070
So what we want to do is open that door and as part of the consistent message which will include employee employer employee training.

1200
01:36:44,490 --> 01:36:47,330
So I think with your support we can move forward.

1201
01:36:48,030 --> 01:36:59,690
I think it would be a great combination for both the chamber and the county because the chamber is 100% dedicated to economic development.

1202
01:36:59,690 --> 01:37:06,270
that's what the chamber is. And we've made a strong point of separating all the different

1203
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:11,090
entities. So there's no confusion between what this one does and what that one does.

1204
01:37:13,130 --> 01:37:14,810
So, any questions?

1205
01:37:16,430 --> 01:37:22,970
Okay, the many for the chamber does it come from the businesses in town or do you give any grant

1206
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:26,750
money to help or how do you run this.

1207
01:37:27,070 --> 01:37:27,710
I know.

1208
01:37:27,710 --> 01:37:28,670
I know.

1209
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,500
And now I pay a membership. Is that from your salary or to the salary reserve?

1210
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:38,400
Let me help you, Mel.

1211
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:43,480
Yes. The membership is, the membership money is displayed in their pays, the executive director

1212
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:48,240
that runs the Chamberlain itself relative to the business, you know, what we do as a

1213
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:53,660
Chamberlain. The business development and the business assistance group has been all volunteer

1214
01:37:53,660 --> 01:38:01,980
about myself, part of my election, and in John Gerny, and Bill Dover, and some other folks.

1215
01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:09,160
So the money that you provide as a membership goes to play the executive director's

1216
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:13,780
position by which she is not involved in the business development piece so that we have

1217
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:19,040
separated that due to the fact of the confidentiality of working with these particular companies.

1218
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,640
I think John, John, John doesn't get a salary.

1219
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:28,640
Only, there's only one salary in Chamber.

1220
01:38:28,700 --> 01:38:29,960
That's the executive director.

1221
01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:33,840
John's time, my time, bills, time was all donated.

1222
01:38:34,700 --> 01:38:38,140
And trying to do things and bring in any companies that we brought into this community.

1223
01:38:40,270 --> 01:38:44,410
At one time, that was what tremendous burden.

1224
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:48,270
But with everything that we have in place now,

1225
01:38:48,270 --> 01:38:51,610
it is literally more than a full-time job.

1226
01:38:52,750 --> 01:38:59,850
I'm a level of 30, 12 o'clock every night, answering emails, coordinating things.

1227
01:39:00,150 --> 01:39:05,170
Fortunately, over the years, I've been able to make a lot of great contacts by Sherry

1228
01:39:05,170 --> 01:39:08,230
Martin at the DOE.

1229
01:39:09,790 --> 01:39:15,990
I think that things like that are very valuable, especially when I can bring somebody like

1230
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:22,090
at the table, and Sherry has agreed to come down and meet with entities that were working

1231
01:39:22,090 --> 01:39:30,390
on to, and she also brings enterprise floor, but with her too, which is a huge thing.

1232
01:39:30,970 --> 01:39:35,690
But I've got some other projects that I'm working on now that are that are monsters, and

1233
01:39:35,690 --> 01:39:38,370
you know, we need to keep moving forward on all of that.

1234
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:45,890
So I like to be in a position where I can come to the commissioners and say, this is what's

1235
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:53,670
on. This is what the company is looking for. What can we do to solve that? And then bring in your

1236
01:39:53,670 --> 01:39:59,710
department heads to find out what they can contribute. And then once we have that that we can get into

1237
01:39:59,710 --> 01:40:05,630
that final deal, playing and set up the meetings and all that. So I think that's kind of where we're

1238
01:40:05,630 --> 01:40:15,630
headed because Ocachobe County is starting to get a lot of attention. John Kiki. I want to make

1239
01:40:15,630 --> 01:40:20,130
option be out of line of what actually is. What I see is, first of all, I've never seen

1240
01:40:20,130 --> 01:40:23,890
the county that was successful at the time that they didn't have an active workable

1241
01:40:23,890 --> 01:40:28,930
chamber. And what I see is the chamber basically relates to people as they open up a new

1242
01:40:28,930 --> 01:40:33,970
business, then they go to the chamber and the chamber directs them, helps them publicity, whatever.

1243
01:40:35,010 --> 01:40:39,630
But the position of the business development is actually to get those businesses to come here

1244
01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:45,150
in the first place. So that's the delineation I see between the two. And we've had discussions

1245
01:40:45,150 --> 01:41:13,790
And everything I've asked you about you followed up on as with the, the, the, the sort of things because with the, you know, the new power plant coming and they're going to have a solar field. I said, well, what a great thing if we have a solar panel of company come in and use one of the buildings we have in industrial park. That's why I'm so happy to see us moving forward on the mitigation problems with set of size there. But what I also do is I know that like a tourist development council, that they do exactly that. They bring in tourism.

1246
01:41:14,230 --> 01:41:24,990
But I think it's also important to have a second phase of that or an equal phase of that to be business development to come in on actually open up businesses because the two are so incredibly important.

1247
01:41:25,110 --> 01:41:30,450
One is a thing where we have a lot of influx of people come and go, come and go, which is good.

1248
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:34,990
But the other part of us is the sustainability over the years that they have businesses to come in to be attractive.

1249
01:41:35,850 --> 01:41:40,870
And I think that that position, to me it's so incredibly important because I've seen it work.

1250
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:45,350
If you have a good business development yet, good chamber, your county here, your city's going to grow.

1251
01:41:46,170 --> 01:41:51,090
Looking at the mind, a lot of these companies are very secretive about what they're doing.

1252
01:41:51,670 --> 01:41:56,570
Sure. So you'll have Joe Blow walking to the chamber and simply ask the question,

1253
01:41:56,850 --> 01:42:00,790
where can I get more information on doing business in Ocachova County?

1254
01:42:00,870 --> 01:42:02,390
That's when I get the phone record.

1255
01:42:03,410 --> 01:42:07,870
I mean, I don't think the guys left the room before Mariahs called me on the phone

1256
01:42:07,870 --> 01:42:11,990
of this contact information or hers in the case of the Atlantic journey.

1257
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:17,430
So, you know, that's where somebody needs to jump in right then.

1258
01:42:17,970 --> 01:42:21,030
And even if they don't want to give you the company name, that's fine.

1259
01:42:21,070 --> 01:42:27,330
I just need to know the nitty-gritty of what you're looking for, kind of what the business

1260
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:28,210
is about.

1261
01:42:28,650 --> 01:42:29,910
What are you lacking?

1262
01:42:30,030 --> 01:42:31,410
What can I do for you?

1263
01:42:31,570 --> 01:42:36,630
You know, I want to be the guy standing on the ground that they know they can contact

1264
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:42,390
to do the web out from there, and it's worked extremely well, so that's what we're going for.

1265
01:42:42,810 --> 01:42:52,650
So this $30,000 is that to have go to the job, that's not a selector. Is this what this is for?

1266
01:42:53,070 --> 01:43:00,630
Well, it's basically for my salary, so that I'm not a county employee as such.

1267
01:43:00,630 --> 01:43:07,070
I mean, it's a hell of a thing in a good position where I don't need a retirement plan,

1268
01:43:07,130 --> 01:43:15,730
I don't need health insurance, you know, so it is what it is, but I definitely need to

1269
01:43:15,730 --> 01:43:23,130
help, and I need to do even more than I'm doing now, and it's just financially not able

1270
01:43:23,130 --> 01:43:24,530
to do that.

1271
01:43:25,770 --> 01:43:29,670
In these meetings, you know, I've got another meeting coming up in North Palm Beach,

1272
01:43:29,670 --> 01:43:32,250
that's going to be critical in our control of each.

1273
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:37,890
But I'm very good at looking partners together, like the FPO Power Plan.

1274
01:43:38,030 --> 01:43:41,890
I'm cooking them up with the G-A-Project that's going to be a nice partnership.

1275
01:43:42,170 --> 01:43:47,690
They're going to work out for each other because the G is going for 100% green certification,

1276
01:43:47,710 --> 01:43:49,950
including producing their own power.

1277
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:55,510
That access will be sold to that FPO plant right there to go online.

1278
01:43:55,510 --> 01:44:03,010
vice versa if there is some kind of a catastrophe, that power plant will literally have an extension

1279
01:44:03,010 --> 01:44:05,050
forward into a GIF or Maca.

1280
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:11,730
So those are the things that keep businesses moving forward when you can give them those resources

1281
01:44:11,730 --> 01:44:13,330
and the circumstances.

1282
01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:19,890
Well, the other thing to you, John, is because you mentioned that, that also has a component

1283
01:44:19,890 --> 01:44:24,070
of, we know that we're talking about water quality going into the lake.

1284
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:32,170
What this project you're talking about the water quality is held clean past off drinkable back into the system and back into the late

1285
01:44:32,170 --> 01:44:43,310
So those are the kinds of things that the job that you do is so invaluable to the county and for what the return of that 30 thousand dollars would bring to this county

1286
01:44:43,310 --> 01:44:49,070
It's almost laughable, you know, and you can't certainly can't ask someone to work as hard as you've worked

1287
01:44:49,070 --> 01:44:53,310
You know over the time that you've done it with no compensation you spend your own gas

1288
01:44:53,310 --> 01:44:59,970
They go to these meetings at that. I think I don't God bless you because I don't know that I would have the enthusiasm

1289
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,340
We have to do that much work. And not to be compensated in any way, shape or form, and by doing this, you know, you're

1290
01:45:06,340 --> 01:45:12,040
saw that that $30,000, if it was a county employee would then be $60,000. Because of the benefit package,

1291
01:45:12,060 --> 01:45:18,480
you know, and the insurers and everything. So, I think it's an incredible investment. I certainly would support it

1292
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:27,040
1,000, because I've seen already the results of what you've done, you know, and it's just, it's incredible, you

1293
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:31,120
benefit return that we're going to get off of what you've done just at this point.

1294
01:45:31,820 --> 01:45:35,220
So, I mean it's like having a tourist, it's like trying to attract tourists without a tourist

1295
01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:36,080
development council.

1296
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:41,180
And the best way I can relate to that is that I went through it as the young kid we moved

1297
01:45:41,180 --> 01:45:43,220
and I went into a new school and didn't know anybody.

1298
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:46,380
And I was lost and it's the same thing when someone comes here.

1299
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:50,980
They've got someone that's a focal point and they can answer the questions with a nice attitude

1300
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:55,640
because you are the first impression they're going to get to this county or whoever's in that position.

1301
01:45:55,640 --> 01:46:00,480
And you don't get a second chance, and if that person feels like we really want them here,

1302
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,800
that's going to go a long way to bring them here.

1303
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:03,640
I think it's important.

1304
01:46:04,580 --> 01:46:04,840
Well, yeah.

1305
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,720
You know, it's Main Street Church development.

1306
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:09,940
They bring people into town.

1307
01:46:10,660 --> 01:46:16,600
The goal is that when they come into town, they say, wow, what a vibrant community.

1308
01:46:17,940 --> 01:46:24,040
You know, it hits me between the eyes every time that I drive through town, not so much now.

1309
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:28,780
But when we have all those vacant storefronts, they've drove me crazy, and they're thinking

1310
01:46:28,780 --> 01:46:31,160
all I can see is that's like a death spiral.

1311
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:40,340
Now, when you drive around, I can only think of the one vacant scene now down down, because

1312
01:46:40,340 --> 01:46:47,800
I've been able to put people into those slots, get them going, and create more revenue streams

1313
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:48,820
for the county.

1314
01:46:49,380 --> 01:46:53,460
So a lot of people don't understand how each thing works off of each other.

1315
01:46:53,460 --> 01:47:03,340
So that's something we're trying to promote through the leadership of the Chow because finding out this one relates to this and relates to that.

1316
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:09,220
So it's been a great education experience and I'm happy to be participating in that.

1317
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:16,940
You know, that's kind of where it is. I know it's a short story, but you're all totally aware of economic developments.

1318
01:47:16,940 --> 01:47:19,160
So you know of the importance of it.

1319
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:22,220
So I just wanted to put that proposal out in front of you

1320
01:47:22,220 --> 01:47:26,440
to see if we can't partner up and move forward.

1321
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,680
Rob, do we have an identifyable funding source

1322
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,700
that this money could be pulled from?

1323
01:47:33,420 --> 01:47:36,920
Just, I mean, generally, when we've had this type of thing

1324
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,120
before, we just put it in on a corporate service area,

1325
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:40,980
which is part of sales tax dollars, nothing.

1326
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:42,440
Just a general revenue.

1327
01:47:45,660 --> 01:47:48,620
Well, you could take it out of your million and a half dollars.

1328
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:50,020
Yes, who's not it?

1329
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:54,480
that's not an ongoing source and I have another idea for that anyway that I need to share with you before.

1330
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,000
But economic development, I'm going to have dollars.

1331
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,460
Well, the other thing that I want to do is keep all of you informed of what's going on too.

1332
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:11,720
You know, I do a monthly report to the chamber and to the business development segment of that chamber.

1333
01:48:12,860 --> 01:48:20,000
But I've been sharing a lot of that with Robbie lately, and I think that first one I sent you kind of

1334
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:28,580
I could picture you thinking, you know, God, here's eight pages of ten point types, you know, do I really need to read all of this?

1335
01:48:28,940 --> 01:48:30,020
It gives you the background.

1336
01:48:30,220 --> 01:48:30,900
I read it all.

1337
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:31,420
Yeah.

1338
01:48:31,420 --> 01:48:32,220
I like it.

1339
01:48:32,220 --> 01:48:33,860
And then I do the monthly updates.

1340
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:40,440
I cut out the ones that are either done open and I'm finished with or they craft out.

1341
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:41,960
Couldn't make it.

1342
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:43,380
Couldn't come up with the financing.

1343
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:44,820
Whatever it is.

1344
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,340
So when I do that monthly report,

1345
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:52,660
it is only the ones I'm working on that are active, and it's normally like two pages.

1346
01:48:54,380 --> 01:48:59,460
So there's a lot going on out there, and I think you all need to know that,

1347
01:48:59,460 --> 01:49:02,820
and I don't need to be the lone wolf running around in the shadows.

1348
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,740
You know, doing this stuff, we need to work on it together.

1349
01:49:07,300 --> 01:49:16,540
I would appreciate you coming before us to tell us something, because you sort of like the person that you do a lot of work,

1350
01:49:16,540 --> 01:49:18,560
but you're never on the front page of the newspaper.

1351
01:49:19,980 --> 01:49:21,120
It's not going to be here for you.

1352
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:22,720
It's not going to be here for you, right?

1353
01:49:22,900 --> 01:49:26,320
You're doing a lot of work for us.

1354
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:28,540
So do we need a motion for you?

1355
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:31,880
Do you get some kind of report from John now?

1356
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:33,940
Yes, we just started that.

1357
01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:36,580
I used to get from Michelle Rose when he was doing it.

1358
01:49:36,780 --> 01:49:37,260
But now.

1359
01:49:37,340 --> 01:49:38,300
Because that would be nice.

1360
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:42,440
Question about, you know, what?

1361
01:49:43,860 --> 01:49:45,200
First of all, I like to say that.

1362
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:52,020
need to keep government out of economic development. It's much as possible for a lot of

1363
01:49:52,020 --> 01:49:57,140
reason. Certainly early on, because people don't want it to be known publicly and anything

1364
01:49:57,140 --> 01:50:04,460
that government gets involved with it is public. So I have no problem with that idea, but I certainly

1365
01:50:04,460 --> 01:50:10,860
have, if the county is going to give $30,000 to an entity, then we need to have some kind of

1366
01:50:10,860 --> 01:50:18,280
going report about what's happening, obviously you don't have to have company names and

1367
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:22,640
that because a lot of times again, they don't want that necessarily public until they make

1368
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:23,120
a decision.

1369
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:30,140
Well that's why it works for me to send it to Robby because she understands that it's

1370
01:50:30,140 --> 01:50:30,680
confidential.

1371
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:34,420
I mean she shares what we do, you're going to understand it's confidential.

1372
01:50:34,900 --> 01:50:40,420
But telling you still not, it's not confidential, I mean if you share it at the board

1373
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,200
John doesn't share names. He will share a company.

1374
01:50:45,380 --> 01:50:47,140
You can do project names. He does.

1375
01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:48,800
Fictitious names and you'll be fine.

1376
01:50:49,020 --> 01:50:50,520
He doesn't share any types of names.

1377
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:52,580
I'm not expecting that.

1378
01:50:53,140 --> 01:50:54,520
We want to do that.

1379
01:50:55,740 --> 01:50:59,760
That was one of my questions to help the board of making your decision.

1380
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:06,480
What do you want in return for the $30,000? What are you looking for?

1381
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,300
This is part of your strategic plan.

1382
01:51:08,300 --> 01:51:17,980
And it could be an answer that element, you know, that we created was, you know, to we were talking about hiring a coordinator, this could be in lieu of the coordinator.

1383
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:19,080
Uh-huh.

1384
01:51:19,100 --> 01:51:20,900
Are we talking about hiring someone?

1385
01:51:21,740 --> 01:51:22,400
Or we're talking about hiring someone.

1386
01:51:22,420 --> 01:51:22,800
No, no, sir.

1387
01:51:22,980 --> 01:51:27,420
I'm saying in the strategic plan, we discussed hiring, and I got on my coordinator.

1388
01:51:27,580 --> 01:51:29,020
That was part of the discussion.

1389
01:51:29,540 --> 01:51:38,240
What I'm saying is in lieu of doing that on the county side, you would give the change for the money and however they choose to use it with John's assistance.

1390
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:40,340
through this process.

1391
01:51:40,340 --> 01:51:42,540
That removes the step away from the county.

1392
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:43,460
That removes it.

1393
01:51:43,460 --> 01:51:45,080
Oh, no, I don't want to count to be involved.

1394
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:46,200
That's what I mean.

1395
01:51:47,460 --> 01:51:49,140
My direct link is to the chamber.

1396
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:52,740
So then, I thought, was how do you measure?

1397
01:51:53,020 --> 01:51:53,320
Right.

1398
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,360
How effective the $30,000 was.

1399
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:55,580
Right.

1400
01:51:56,100 --> 01:52:01,180
That was my question about reporting or feedback or whatever.

1401
01:52:01,700 --> 01:52:07,240
Because this is just we had to have some investigation for the $30,000 being spent.

1402
01:52:10,260 --> 01:52:15,480
John Zatsby says a good example, what do you think the economic benefit is going to be to the

1403
01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:17,880
accounting, financial economic benefit from Zatsby?

1404
01:52:18,420 --> 01:52:20,860
Number one, you're looking at over 50 jobs.

1405
01:52:21,180 --> 01:52:22,100
I mean, that's huge.

1406
01:52:22,900 --> 01:52:29,680
The tax base itself off of by a 24-7 restaurant is another major tax.

1407
01:52:32,050 --> 01:52:38,710
Just having that property cleaned up with a beautiful building on how do you put a price on that?

1408
01:52:39,110 --> 01:52:45,910
The 50 employees is probably part-time and not full-time. They're probably not 50 years. FCEs.

1409
01:52:46,350 --> 01:52:54,850
In terms of some of the other things that John is going to be working on, we have a larger project that it's been handed over to him.

1410
01:52:55,810 --> 01:53:04,070
that will fill a larger building in the downtown area. So that particular one will help quite a bit in terms of what we're doing.

1411
01:53:05,290 --> 01:53:11,590
So as far as measurables, I mean, obviously the report can be a measurable, if you can talk about the number of jobs,

1412
01:53:11,590 --> 01:53:14,770
he creates relative to the opportunities.

1413
01:53:15,370 --> 01:53:20,850
And I think the tax value, if there's a new building comes in, that's a measurable opportunity there.

1414
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:23,850
If you choose to do that.

1415
01:53:24,610 --> 01:53:25,870
Yeah, I'm not forcing that just now.

1416
01:53:25,970 --> 01:53:27,230
What is that feedback?

1417
01:53:28,190 --> 01:53:30,230
Those are the things I can.

1418
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:31,010
Right.

1419
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:31,450
Right.

1420
01:53:31,590 --> 01:53:32,590
That's all I'm asking.

1421
01:53:32,690 --> 01:53:33,550
But easy to track.

1422
01:53:33,710 --> 01:53:34,230
I would think.

1423
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:37,350
Well, some of that you can track off the tax collector too.

1424
01:53:37,530 --> 01:53:39,790
The trail after the business licenses.

1425
01:53:40,150 --> 01:53:41,550
You know, planning and designing.

1426
01:53:41,710 --> 01:53:43,290
You know, once they go through that.

1427
01:53:43,870 --> 01:53:45,410
But there's another good example.

1428
01:53:45,590 --> 01:53:47,550
When they start talking to planning and zoning,

1429
01:53:47,790 --> 01:53:48,850
I'd like to get that call.

1430
01:53:49,470 --> 01:53:55,690
Well, another thought I had, too, not just increase in tax base, but reduction in vacant space.

1431
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:56,230
Absolutely.

1432
01:53:56,450 --> 01:54:04,090
You know, which would be to counter that we may not have a business in there right now, but if you put a business in a vacant spot, it certainly makes you look more vibrant.

1433
01:54:04,910 --> 01:54:07,450
You know, then there's the circulation of those dollars in the community.

1434
01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:17,990
When I was on the Council of 100 up in the Highlands County years ago, we had a real problem with vacancy's downtown and other commercial buildings.

1435
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:28,690
So I was able to work out kind of an incubator program with them because if you own a vacant building, it cost you on a daily basis model.

1436
01:54:29,950 --> 01:54:38,950
So with that program, they were very emiable to letting a startup move into that building at one third of the rent.

1437
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:43,710
that one-third more than paid all the expenses on that building.

1438
01:54:44,470 --> 01:54:49,370
The second year went up to two-thirds, the next year went up to full ramp,

1439
01:54:49,890 --> 01:54:54,410
and they either had the option of paying full ramp or moving.

1440
01:54:55,310 --> 01:55:00,130
But what it did is it gave a constant income to the property owner

1441
01:55:00,130 --> 01:55:03,510
so that they had some revenue come in and instead of the thing,

1442
01:55:03,610 --> 01:55:08,370
sitting there in the deteriorating empty while they're still paying all the

1443
01:55:08,370 --> 01:55:12,910
other expenses, and it worked extremely well. That's how we were able to rebuild that

1444
01:55:12,910 --> 01:55:20,190
on top. You know, that whole thing would work here just as well. I'm thinking that would

1445
01:55:20,190 --> 01:55:26,250
also apply to the industrial parks. You know, the airport has a little advantage because it

1446
01:55:26,250 --> 01:55:31,370
has existing buildings. So why not put somebody in there? Even if it's an incubator program,

1447
01:55:31,470 --> 01:55:36,750
at least we got some revenue coming in for it. And as you know, they can build and deteriorate

1448
01:55:36,750 --> 01:55:38,690
in an occupied building,

1449
01:55:43,060 --> 01:55:44,100
so any other question?

1450
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:48,540
Robin, were you happy with the report that John gave you?

1451
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:53,040
Yes, I think it's very detailed and provides exactly what they're doing when he's communicating.

1452
01:55:53,780 --> 01:55:55,500
He's actually very, very detailed.

1453
01:55:55,740 --> 01:56:01,160
I've complimented him on that, actually, that's one of his shining stars.

1454
01:56:01,540 --> 01:56:05,440
He does do a very good job of communicating the information that's happening.

1455
01:56:06,420 --> 01:56:19,860
And I don't repeat what was on that last time. It's the new stuff. He's following up with people. He's not just letting them come to him. He turns around and contacts them again, make sure they don't be anything further.

1456
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:28,860
So even people I have a talk to them that say a month, I still do the follow-up calls to find out where they are.

1457
01:56:28,980 --> 01:56:35,700
If you run into a hurdle, if you run into a hurdle that sticks it, because my goal was to keep everybody moving forward.

1458
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:36,680
Follow-up.

1459
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,020
Well, you're dead in the water if you don't do the follow-up.

1460
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:42,860
Because I don't think they think they don't care.

1461
01:56:43,980 --> 01:56:44,400
They go.

1462
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:45,360
And we care.

1463
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,120
Thank you very much for your time.

1464
01:56:51,500 --> 01:56:53,180
Thank you, John.

1465
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:55,360
Pleasure to board.

1466
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:56,640
Make a motion.

1467
01:56:56,940 --> 01:56:57,360
Excuse me.

1468
01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:58,780
Make a motion at the Board of County Commission.

1469
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:02,040
We're going to consider a request submitted by the Business Development Board of

1470
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,100
Bokachilby County, Seeking Economic Development Funding to support the Business

1471
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:10,200
Development Board of Bokachilby activities and determine whether or not to approve

1472
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:11,920
funding request of $30,000.

1473
01:57:13,700 --> 01:57:14,840
We have a motion.

1474
01:57:15,260 --> 01:57:15,600
Second.

1475
01:57:15,940 --> 01:57:16,760
Second by Miss Health.

1476
01:57:16,980 --> 01:57:19,460
Did we need to stipulate an end motion as a one-year agreement?

1477
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:22,180
That's how the board wants.

1478
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:23,840
That's what it says in the mind.

1479
01:57:24,620 --> 01:57:29,620
And he said whether or not to prove it, so I would probably try to prove.

1480
01:57:29,620 --> 01:57:29,800
Sure.

1481
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:31,420
I'll amend my motion.

1482
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:32,220
I'll approve.

1483
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:39,260
I'll amend my motion to approve funding request of $30,000 for one period of time of one year.

1484
01:57:39,260 --> 01:57:43,820
Okay, motion by Mr. Gopper, second on Miss Elton, further discussion?

1485
01:57:45,500 --> 01:57:50,680
Let me just point out to the board, there have been some court rulings that indicate

1486
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:57,340
that when a private entity receives funds from the county, that then makes that private

1487
01:57:57,340 --> 01:58:02,700
entity and their use of those funds, subject to the sunshine law and the public records

1488
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:03,020
law.

1489
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:09,240
So it's not a guarantee, I understand what Mr. Garnier's concern is with confidentiality

1490
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:16,180
of companies coming to him, but that may change if the Chamber then takes money from the

1491
01:58:16,180 --> 01:58:16,620
county.

1492
01:58:19,570 --> 01:58:23,510
Isn't it based on what they spend it on in the report, the financial reporting of the

1493
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:24,490
expenditures, public?

1494
01:58:25,090 --> 01:58:27,210
It is, and there's no hard and fast rule.

1495
01:58:28,670 --> 01:58:32,850
Some of it seems to be tied to whether the private entity is fulfilling a governmental

1496
01:58:32,850 --> 01:58:39,330
function, for example, the county that would traditionally be providing a recreational facility.

1497
01:58:39,330 --> 01:58:41,170
if they

1498
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:50,200
delegate that function to a private entity and pay for it, then that, in that case,

1499
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:54,340
the private entities, records are probably subject to the subject to the public records law,

1500
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:59,260
and their activity is subject to the sunshine law. I have somewhat like that.

1501
01:58:59,540 --> 01:59:04,040
Yeah, and I'm not saying I have a research this, but I just want the board to be aware that that's

1502
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:10,520
a possibility of hanging out there, that providing the money then makes them subject to the sunshine

1503
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:12,600
on the public records law.

1504
01:59:13,700 --> 01:59:17,740
Before we got it, might I suggest that we have Council, though, look into that a little bit

1505
01:59:17,740 --> 01:59:25,700
further so that, and then also the chamber consider the implications if that in fact will

1506
01:59:25,700 --> 01:59:26,360
be an issue.

1507
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:32,220
Well, I don't know if the chamber is now

1508
01:59:34,490 --> 01:59:35,890
under the sunshine law.

1509
01:59:36,450 --> 01:59:36,550
No.

1510
01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:37,190
They're not.

1511
01:59:37,410 --> 01:59:43,570
And if you have, if you have sunshine law, that kind of takes away the confidentiality

1512
01:59:43,570 --> 01:59:48,850
discussions that, well, they might have.

1513
01:59:49,190 --> 01:59:53,310
Well, the issue, like, let's take for instance, this is the development board of

1514
01:59:53,310 --> 01:59:54,230
Martin County.

1515
01:59:55,890 --> 01:59:58,350
There's money provided by Martin County.

1516
01:59:58,430 --> 01:59:59,970
In fact, I think they're predominantly fun.

1517
02:00:00,530 --> 02:00:10,620
By Martin County. And what, and their board is held under, I remember what Tim told me, and they

1518
02:00:10,620 --> 02:00:16,140
did board is held under the Sunshine Law, but I think they've divided out how that money is spent.

1519
02:00:16,460 --> 02:00:24,120
And so we still protect the confidentiality of the person we're dealing with, but that I do believe

1520
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,000
they're held under the Sunshine Law.

1521
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:36,440
Would it mean that's much different from when the county supported the brand new chamber than we were resurrecting it?

1522
02:00:38,120 --> 02:00:42,540
It was subject then that's come we've had this discussion back at that point

1523
02:00:42,540 --> 02:00:50,760
And that was the only hesitation, you know, about funding the last time was because of the sunshine and do you want to subject that in the reporting?

1524
02:00:52,810 --> 02:00:57,790
I mean, if you were by by a sunshine law, that makes it very difficult to have discussions

1525
02:00:57,790 --> 02:00:58,450
and confidence,

1526
02:01:00,820 --> 02:01:04,120
because two board members need to talk about it.

1527
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:08,240
And you have to have everything you talk about, has to be an announced, published, board

1528
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:11,880
meeting, and anybody wants to control it.

1529
02:01:12,260 --> 02:01:15,840
Well, in reality, the way the board is set up for it present time.

1530
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:23,700
the business development and business assistance committees, we don't read out to the general

1531
02:01:23,700 --> 02:01:31,460
board in here. Because of the confidentiality of what they did, but this is an agreement

1532
02:01:31,460 --> 02:01:36,940
with the chamber. I understand it, but I think we can probably have the, because see the business

1533
02:01:36,940 --> 02:01:42,820
about the chamber, your disagreements with the business development board. The chamber is

1534
02:01:42,820 --> 02:01:48,340
do in business as, so the business development board is the entity by words you can separate

1535
02:01:48,340 --> 02:01:49,140
the money.

1536
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:49,760
That's right.

1537
02:01:49,820 --> 02:01:55,240
Well, it says that the OPEC County Chamber of Commerce has gone endorses, every month.

1538
02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:00,280
We can change it around to show the business development board whether it is the separation

1539
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:03,380
of the money, but if that is the result of the issue.

1540
02:02:05,570 --> 02:02:12,290
Mainly, they do not just support the chamber to go and get members and collectors, we want

1541
02:02:12,290 --> 02:02:14,050
I'll take it to the next level.

1542
02:02:14,550 --> 02:02:19,850
Problem is, I would suggest that you might be better served to ensure that you don't open

1543
02:02:19,850 --> 02:02:23,530
yourself up to the sunshine and law before you do this.

1544
02:02:24,650 --> 02:02:25,830
That would be my suggestion.

1545
02:02:27,190 --> 02:02:27,570
That's fine.

1546
02:02:27,890 --> 02:02:32,950
Because that change is everything that you can or can't do, John,

1547
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:36,250
you know, and it opens

1548
02:02:36,250 --> 02:02:44,050
you out to many opportunities for people to accuse you of being operating outside the Sun

1549
02:02:44,050 --> 02:02:44,330
China.

1550
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:48,090
So, but we have a motion in a second.

1551
02:02:52,550 --> 02:02:56,630
So, as me, like Council was suggesting that we may think about this for a little bit

1552
02:02:56,630 --> 02:02:57,610
before we do it.

1553
02:02:57,930 --> 02:03:01,170
Well, we just want to make sure both parties are protected, and I certainly have, I mean,

1554
02:03:01,190 --> 02:03:06,770
I love the concept, but if Council has an issue where she's concerned about the board's

1555
02:03:06,770 --> 02:03:09,610
decision, then we certainly need to clarify that before.

1556
02:03:09,610 --> 02:03:15,810
It's not a fact of the fact that we are in some kind of detects of chamber and misgurn.

1557
02:03:16,210 --> 02:03:18,390
I mean, we don't know how difficult that is.

1558
02:03:21,770 --> 02:03:24,910
They want to use that as something against them.

1559
02:03:24,950 --> 02:03:26,010
Here, how is that?

1560
02:03:26,010 --> 02:03:28,030
What kind of an adverse effect is that going to have it?

1561
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:30,650
If we, you know, if we do, if we support this?

1562
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:40,660
As I said, the business of all of the war is the corporation.

1563
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:46,380
and you have a, you have a EVA as a chamber of commerce. Basically what you do is you set the

1564
02:03:46,380 --> 02:03:52,180
books up under the business development board and John's confidentiality has to be held there

1565
02:03:52,180 --> 02:03:58,580
because they really don't have a board, right? This is one of the socials of our committee and

1566
02:03:58,580 --> 02:04:07,640
it's just as committee as a subcommittee of the Chamber Board. So I don't think they can discuss it

1567
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:12,160
board meeting this week and have a discussion because we have a board meeting tomorrow so they

1568
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:17,320
can have a discussion if you approve it today then if they feel uncomfortable with it and

1569
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:22,680
I'll talk to John today the fact to feel uncomfortable with it will figure out how to do it to

1570
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:24,920
make sure that the board is comfortable.

1571
02:04:27,590 --> 02:04:29,970
So if we approve this today that you can work these details

1572
02:04:30,610 --> 02:04:35,710
out. That's what I'll talk to John later on. I believe we can. I'm leaving the work to issue

1573
02:04:35,710 --> 02:04:41,570
from the board, but he has to present his back to the Chamber Board tomorrow morning and we'll

1574
02:04:41,570 --> 02:04:47,510
determine, I'll give him some options what he can present to them and I'll see what they, if they

1575
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:54,410
are okay with it. But that's whatever you folks do is counter it. Well there's a counter it was

1576
02:04:54,410 --> 02:04:59,610
been a vote on it. I want to make sure the other two are comfortable with it. Now before, I made the motion,

1577
02:05:00,150 --> 02:05:04,590
but I want to make sure that all T's are crossed, all eyes are dotted and that we're not going to

1578
02:05:04,590 --> 02:05:07,870
create, something that we're not looking to create.

1579
02:05:08,490 --> 02:05:17,010
Well, again, I would suggest that the chamber in Maryland, spent a little time trying to

1580
02:05:17,010 --> 02:05:21,890
decide whether this thing is, would change the way they do business, or would end back

1581
02:05:21,890 --> 02:05:25,530
your business negatively if you took money, or got money from the government.

1582
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:27,190
It does not change.

1583
02:05:27,650 --> 02:05:28,050
It does not.

1584
02:05:28,370 --> 02:05:28,730
It does not.

1585
02:05:29,070 --> 02:05:29,890
It does not.

1586
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:32,010
It does not.

1587
02:05:32,570 --> 02:05:33,390
It does not.

1588
02:05:33,630 --> 02:05:34,150
It does not.

1589
02:05:34,150 --> 02:05:40,450
event this board from taking a vote today because this board is voting to approve giving

1590
02:05:40,450 --> 02:05:44,870
the money. You're not going to give the money until they vote to accept it and there's

1591
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:50,630
a written, it's released to a writing. So if you vote today to give them the money and

1592
02:05:50,630 --> 02:05:56,190
they need tomorrow and 10 more times and decide this is going to negatively impact the way

1593
02:05:56,190 --> 02:06:01,790
they do business and they just won't take the money and they won't reduce the agreement

1594
02:06:01,790 --> 02:06:04,790
to writing and nobody would have crossed that line.

1595
02:06:06,350 --> 02:06:07,510
I'll let my motion stand.

1596
02:06:08,650 --> 02:06:14,550
So we have a motion in a second to approve funding of $30,000 for a one-year period

1597
02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:15,870
beginning October.

1598
02:06:15,870 --> 02:06:17,610
The first, I believe, is what the state is saying.

1599
02:06:19,550 --> 02:06:19,830
Okay.

1600
02:06:19,970 --> 02:06:20,370
That's what it says.

1601
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:21,730
We have a motion in a second.

1602
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:22,790
Motion by Mr. Cope.

1603
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:23,170
Every second.

1604
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:23,770
My name is Health.

1605
02:06:24,350 --> 02:06:24,930
Further discussion.

1606
02:06:26,990 --> 02:06:28,490
Those in favor say aye.

1607
02:06:28,970 --> 02:06:29,010
Aye.

1608
02:06:29,010 --> 02:06:29,130
Aye.

1609
02:06:29,130 --> 02:06:32,610
I suppose, like time, there's three, I and one abstention,

1610
02:06:35,090 --> 02:06:37,980
motion passes, Mr. Burroughs abstinence.

1611
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:41,660
Does he have to spell out conflict?

1612
02:06:42,180 --> 02:06:42,540
Yeah, yeah.

1613
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:46,380
Okay.

1614
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:52,060
Judicial Center Repair's Painting Award, Ben.

1615
02:06:52,380 --> 02:06:52,780
Mr. Ode.

1616
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:03,240
Good morning.

1617
02:07:03,700 --> 02:07:04,400
Good morning.

1618
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:04,600
Good morning.

1619
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:04,940
Good morning.

1620
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:06,460
Mr. Ode, Mr. Laura.

1621
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:12,460
This is a agenda item, Mr. for the award of the Ocachobe County Judicial Center Repair's and

1622
02:07:12,460 --> 02:07:17,640
depending project bid number 2015-08.

1623
02:07:19,380 --> 02:07:24,620
We received bids back on August 7th for the repairs and retaining of the judicial center.

1624
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,880
We received three bids and two of the three bids were local vendors.

1625
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:29,020
Thank you.

1626
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:29,940
Bye.

1627
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:57,980
A lot of the local vendors were within the 5% of the lowest response of bidder in their form. We're not offered to match the low bid in accordance to the county's procurement policy. We've had a lot of discussion about that, so I just want to make sure we went over it. The bid proposal consisted of a base bid that actually included the repair and work and painting of the exterior of the building with a paint call super coach, which is by Sherwin Williams.

1628
02:07:57,980 --> 02:08:01,600
Along with that base bid, we had five alternates.

1629
02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:04,960
The first two alternates was an upgrade in the painting.

1630
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:09,080
One was considered duration and one was considered tomorrow.

1631
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:13,780
The fourth, the third, I'm sorry, the third alternate,

1632
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:17,840
was to recode the gates back behind building at Sally Court

1633
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:20,840
and also at the judges parking area.

1634
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:26,280
The number four alternate bid was for actually cleaning up

1635
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:30,320
and removing totally the cornices up on top of the building.

1636
02:08:31,240 --> 02:08:34,220
Now, at the last meeting that we discussed the color of the building,

1637
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:40,120
which I believe was July 19th, and we had two or three commissioners

1638
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:42,920
of indicated that they'd probably like to keep the cornices.

1639
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:46,440
But while we did, was we proposed to receive prices

1640
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,920
and one for totally removing it, and one for removing them,

1641
02:08:50,020 --> 02:08:53,020
and actually replacing them, putting back staying still

1642
02:08:53,020 --> 02:08:58,460
fasters and frightening. Now, staff's recommendation that you're going to deal with the

1643
02:08:58,460 --> 02:09:04,560
corner says would be to remove them and replace them. But I didn't know for sure if

1644
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:10,700
you wanted to think about it again about totally removing them or removing them and replace.

1645
02:09:11,500 --> 02:09:16,200
I brought the presentation that we had last time that actually showed it to the differences

1646
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:20,460
and you may want to take a look at them again and make a decision.

1647
02:09:22,860 --> 02:09:24,780
That's the aesthetic life.

1648
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:26,980
I know the color that we actually chose.

1649
02:09:27,100 --> 02:09:30,620
But these are all the colors that actually Mr. Hammer actually had.

1650
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,240
That's with the cornices, without the cornices.

1651
02:09:36,630 --> 02:09:38,090
Go back and get done it.

1652
02:09:38,290 --> 02:09:38,690
Viewer.

1653
02:09:44,610 --> 02:09:46,490
That's a much better but the cornice.

1654
02:09:49,310 --> 02:09:49,950
That's without?

1655
02:09:49,950 --> 02:09:54,050
Now, they're almost like an industrial bulletin with a laser gun.

1656
02:09:54,050 --> 02:09:55,930
I think it causes them a lot to it.

1657
02:09:58,240 --> 02:10:00,080
So we need to know for sure which way you want.

1658
02:10:00,300 --> 02:10:02,000
The cornices are no causes.

1659
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:05,120
My most leads the cornices.

1660
02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:07,340
Mine is well said.

1661
02:10:07,740 --> 02:10:08,980
Consensus with everyone.

1662
02:10:11,180 --> 02:10:13,980
That being said, then what we were recommending

1663
02:10:13,980 --> 02:10:16,920
was to award the base bed

1664
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,740
along with the upgrade and pain

1665
02:10:20,740 --> 02:10:26,700
which was alternate number one, along with all of the number three for repainting the gates,

1666
02:10:27,200 --> 02:10:30,600
and then alternate number five to remove and replace the corns.

1667
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:37,560
Now if you go to your back sheet, you'll see where I gave you an actual breakdown on what

1668
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:39,400
the cause would be in a bit of regulation.

1669
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:46,220
So if you'll take a look at that, with the base bid, alternate one, number three, and

1670
02:10:46,220 --> 02:10:54,960
Number five, the total amount to the current construction would be 185,000, 436 dollars.

1671
02:10:59,700 --> 02:11:01,280
That's one, three and five, right?

1672
02:11:01,500 --> 02:11:02,040
With the basement.

1673
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:03,940
One, three and five.

1674
02:11:04,060 --> 02:11:04,600
One, fifty.

1675
02:11:05,100 --> 02:11:05,620
And a packet.

1676
02:11:05,900 --> 02:11:06,060
Okay.

1677
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:07,880
That's fine.

1678
02:11:11,730 --> 02:11:13,590
There's a gate painted now.

1679
02:11:13,950 --> 02:11:16,030
Yes, it's painted, but it's over time.

1680
02:11:16,370 --> 02:11:18,370
A lot of wear and tear from opening and closing.

1681
02:11:18,370 --> 02:11:20,750
I believe your power could originally,

1682
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:33,780
you also have a backing up a recommendation from Mr. Tom Hammond

1683
02:11:33,780 --> 02:11:36,520
to any questions.

1684
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:42,200
So the upgraded paint

1685
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:49,520
gives you what, supposedly additional, live 40.

1686
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:51,620
maybe facts for lifesaver

1687
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:53,580
lifetime wondering

1688
02:11:53,580 --> 02:11:54,800
was like

1689
02:11:55,820 --> 02:11:56,940
for the product

1690
02:11:56,940 --> 02:11:58,140
for the project

1691
02:11:58,140 --> 02:12:00,500
yeah didn't hear as long as it lasted when it

1692
02:12:00,500 --> 02:12:02,620
don't don't have the last long that don't get it

1693
02:12:03,820 --> 02:12:05,500
actually has a short

1694
02:12:05,500 --> 02:12:06,200
has

1695
02:12:06,200 --> 02:12:08,900
to look at and see that was his

1696
02:12:08,900 --> 02:12:09,400
regulation

1697
02:12:13,700 --> 02:12:16,620
so he had my question is it so it's approved

1698
02:12:16,620 --> 02:12:17,880
today allows a star

1699
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:20,340
relative to take as them

1700
02:12:20,340 --> 02:12:22,580
according to contract and ninety days

1701
02:12:22,580 --> 02:12:25,860
to achieve substantial peopleation in 30 days thereafter.

1702
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:27,920
What's the start date?

1703
02:12:28,420 --> 02:12:28,620
Sorry.

1704
02:12:28,820 --> 02:12:29,780
What's the start date?

1705
02:12:31,460 --> 02:12:34,480
I got asked that question just a few minutes ago from the contractor.

1706
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:35,240
We're sending you in the morning.

1707
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:37,580
Monday, right?

1708
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:41,680
As soon as we can get the contractor to get the contractor.

1709
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:42,000
I'm under.

1710
02:12:45,170 --> 02:12:46,290
I'll also take you to the contractor.

1711
02:12:47,130 --> 02:12:48,430
I'll also take you to the contractor.

1712
02:12:48,430 --> 02:12:48,710
I'll also take you to the contractor.

1713
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:52,500
You look at it here.

1714
02:12:53,340 --> 02:12:54,900
So you see, there's the problem.

1715
02:12:54,900 --> 02:12:58,860
And we have all these little detail questions, you know, and it's just, I've refused to answer

1716
02:12:58,860 --> 02:13:01,560
another of the grounds there might have been, you can't take the fifth on this.

1717
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:06,760
They're in my office, they're in our office with, we're in the process of reviewing them.

1718
02:13:06,980 --> 02:13:10,540
So you don't leave it 1145 if we're through this and get this.

1719
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,600
Oh, we're saying that we're not even making it.

1720
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:16,460
We work together.

1721
02:13:17,020 --> 02:13:19,240
Pretty well with the AIA contract documents.

1722
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:24,780
And actually, Sherry Selvi put some together and then we send them over to CAS who's in their review.

1723
02:13:26,260 --> 02:13:30,100
So I'm sure we'll take on very long to review and get them back to them.

1724
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:43,340
Pleasure to board.

1725
02:13:43,420 --> 02:13:47,260
I'm at the motion of the Board of Honor Commissioners award the Occhi of Accountant Judicial Center

1726
02:13:47,260 --> 02:13:54,160
repairs and repaining project bid number 2015-082 Currence Construction and Property Management

1727
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:59,820
Incorporated and our Texas staff recommendations that the Board accept the base bid in alternate

1728
02:13:59,820 --> 02:14:07,040
number one, number three, and number four, and five, and five, award the amount of

1729
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:11,940
one, three, and four totals, one, sixty, one, four, thirty, six, award the

1730
02:14:11,940 --> 02:14:16,340
you want to separate, you don't need that, please, because you're not doing that. Okay. Okay.

1731
02:14:16,340 --> 02:14:20,720
Just the one, eighty, five, and one, yeah, award amounts, so one, three, four, and totals,

1732
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:24,260
so award the amount of number one, three, and five totals, one, hundred, and eighty, five,

1733
02:14:24,260 --> 02:14:32,460
thousand four hundred thirty-six dollars. No, I'm Mr. Godfair. Second. Second, my Mr. Burrard.

1734
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:34,300
Further discussion.

1735
02:14:38,020 --> 02:14:42,910
And we're going to start, we're going to have this done by Christmas

1736
02:14:42,910 --> 02:14:44,110
that I'm what we're saying.

1737
02:14:47,160 --> 02:14:51,600
So you listen. The clerk recorded sitting behind you, so be careful.

1738
02:14:55,390 --> 02:14:59,750
Yeah, we were talking early and don't say something about Christmas and I said, which year?

1739
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:59,950
Thank you.

1740
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:05,480
It's an insight joke about expediting things.

1741
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:23,610
Okay, so we have a motion that's second to approval, award in the contract to current construction and property management in the amount of $185, $185,000, $138, $185, $185, $145, $185, $185.

1742
02:15:23,610 --> 02:15:28,370
Okay, those in favour say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I'd like to say aye. Motion carries. Thank you.

1743
02:15:28,890 --> 02:15:30,690
Sharon, do you like the corness on?

1744
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:35,610
Okay. Is that why you came out and say if we're going to do it or something?

1745
02:15:39,740 --> 02:15:41,640
Your budget is not on this?

1746
02:15:45,050 --> 02:15:49,690
Okay, so you can go and paste with that project and then you start on the next one, right?

1747
02:16:00,980 --> 02:16:05,240
All right, the next agenda item is for the agressivity center horse barn.

1748
02:16:05,820 --> 02:16:11,200
We received bids on the horse barn the same day as we received the judicial center bids.

1749
02:16:12,380 --> 02:16:17,800
And we ended up with two bidders on it.

1750
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:23,160
Turn a light rate, which is a local contractor who've been the project, which was substantially higher than

1751
02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:29,920
Arlington, all light rate, and everyone knows Arlington electric, they were the original contractor at the

1752
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:33,360
Aggressive Accelerate Center, and they've done quite a bit of work out there.

1753
02:16:34,140 --> 02:16:40,360
But one thing I wanted to kind of explain a little bit about this bid was the bid proposal consisted of a lump sum and one ultimate.

1754
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:50,580
And the reason that it did is because there was two different ways that were actually installing the electric over the top of the horse farm or over the stalls.

1755
02:16:51,300 --> 02:16:57,240
There's things suspended from overhead and we're having a two-game box at each location.

1756
02:16:57,240 --> 02:17:06,160
So, during the design of this, the engineer came up with a module system based on an OSHA

1757
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:13,360
ruling on what was considered a temporary cord as opposed to a permanent cord.

1758
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:19,500
We're dropping cords down over the top of all these stalls, which we have to to keep them accessible.

1759
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:26,220
So, we will back and forth a little bit, and if you'll take a look at the drawing that I just provided to you,

1760
02:17:26,220 --> 02:17:33,500
The typical flexible cord drop base bed was with a module which actually had two

1761
02:17:33,500 --> 02:17:37,180
two-game box suspended from the cord on the overhead.

1762
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:44,260
That module was separate, it works like a GFI, but it's separate from the receptacles.

1763
02:17:45,140 --> 02:17:50,540
Now, the wall on your right-hand side is a typical drop, which actually is suspended with

1764
02:17:50,540 --> 02:17:58,080
up to Game Box with GFI receptacles that are located in the one location and all of them are

1765
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:03,720
whether it be boxes. Now, we went back and forth with us a little bit, decided to put both of

1766
02:18:03,720 --> 02:18:09,540
them out of bed just to see what we came up with. And when it was all said and done, we actually

1767
02:18:09,540 --> 02:18:17,880
went back. We don't consider this a temporary cord installation. We consider it a permanent. And by doing so,

1768
02:18:17,880 --> 02:18:24,060
We went back to the National Electric Code, and we took a look at that, and I think I provided

1769
02:18:24,060 --> 02:18:30,720
it to you in your package where actually shows for agricultural buildings that GFI is

1770
02:18:30,720 --> 02:18:31,420
acceptable.

1771
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:39,500
So we're choosing that alternate, which actually reduced the cost about $15,000, and we've

1772
02:18:39,500 --> 02:18:47,760
actually dropped from 11,000 to 540 with the module on the left down to 96,000 to

1773
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:53,540
40 with the reduction that we got for the typical flexible with the GFI's included.

1774
02:18:55,750 --> 02:19:00,170
Don't you know what would be what would be the benefit of having ground fault in a rubbed?

1775
02:19:00,370 --> 02:19:01,490
At each receptacle.

1776
02:19:01,710 --> 02:19:02,830
Why would we even...

1777
02:19:02,830 --> 02:19:10,410
Well, what he looked at, he looked at a ruling on OSHA's sometime back on temporary courts

1778
02:19:10,410 --> 02:19:11,790
to give it an open neutral.

1779
02:19:12,770 --> 02:19:17,870
But this is not temporary, these are fixed, and these are permanent, and it was just a ruling

1780
02:19:17,870 --> 02:19:23,730
is all it was. And I went back and I got another building official. We set down. We went over it.

1781
02:19:23,730 --> 02:19:30,870
We pulled out the lack of electrical and we don't need that. We would prefer to stay with the GFI's.

1782
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:35,450
They can't do it. Use it that seal fight or is it metal condo? It's metal condo.

1783
02:19:36,090 --> 02:19:36,090
Okay.

1784
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:46,190
So only a ray out there with the number of stalls. How many of those are going to come down?

1785
02:19:46,190 --> 02:19:50,750
If you've got four stalls, you want to have how many of this coming down, four or one.

1786
02:19:51,330 --> 02:19:55,470
Actually in places, they'll split two stalls or be a single for one stall.

1787
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:57,630
It depends on how they lay it out.

1788
02:20:00,090 --> 02:20:02,450
We'll actually have singles and doubles.

1789
02:20:03,790 --> 02:20:10,010
Because you know why I asked that question relative to the fact that how the folks with the horses do this,

1790
02:20:10,010 --> 02:20:12,810
they need fans and all kinds of other things.

1791
02:20:14,090 --> 02:20:14,550
Okay.

1792
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:22,080
If you need four, you'd have to use some stencil and larger gauge wire.

1793
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:28,740
Yeah, it's simply difficult to do four because he dropped it in the middle and over to access it and everybody would have to go and install it.

1794
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:29,520
Right.

1795
02:20:34,310 --> 02:20:34,870
I'll turn it.

1796
02:20:34,970 --> 02:20:35,510
I'll turn it.

1797
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:36,990
Pardon me.

1798
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:37,570
I'll turn it.

1799
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:37,970
I'll turn it.

1800
02:20:37,970 --> 02:20:38,730
I'll turn it.

1801
02:20:40,010 --> 02:20:41,130
I'll turn it.

1802
02:20:41,490 --> 02:20:46,210
So the people who use the horse barn, they're okay with this idea.

1803
02:20:46,810 --> 02:20:47,290
Yes sir.

1804
02:20:47,290 --> 02:20:52,330
I've gone over with Matt Ford, and we've worked back and forth on it, and as far as I know everybody's happy.

1805
02:20:54,070 --> 02:20:54,770
They just won't power.

1806
02:20:55,470 --> 02:20:55,730
Right.

1807
02:20:56,170 --> 02:21:02,690
We originally started this fact when I was on the Agress of Extended Advisory Group trying to get...

1808
02:21:02,690 --> 02:21:08,570
Yeah, this is, in fact, this has moved quicker than a lot of, a lot of them.

1809
02:21:08,770 --> 02:21:09,430
Yeah, how many years?

1810
02:21:10,650 --> 02:21:17,190
Well, the point was, is that in the summertime, we cannot utilize the horse bond to various sorts of entities coming in.

1811
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:25,970
it is a revenue generator for Matt. So I'm happy that we got this far. Now my next question

1812
02:21:25,970 --> 02:21:29,150
is if it's approved the day, you know, when will it be complete?

1813
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:34,010
Is it, is it a not power to do what everybody expects today?

1814
02:21:34,670 --> 02:21:37,510
Mr. Coans, did he put the two?

1815
02:21:38,090 --> 02:21:42,750
I'm putting in a brand new service. I'm not even working on the existing power. I'm running

1816
02:21:42,750 --> 02:21:48,130
a new 400 amp service to actually energize the system.

1817
02:21:48,910 --> 02:21:54,090
When dying I talk about previously, if you use the existing service, then that's going

1818
02:21:54,090 --> 02:21:56,810
to, that's where you're going to cause some problem for future growth.

1819
02:21:57,370 --> 02:22:01,750
So now he has a new service and we can, the existing service in there, we can use for future

1820
02:22:01,750 --> 02:22:02,950
growth and that's a series.

1821
02:22:04,650 --> 02:22:10,350
Well, I mean, again, all the concerns of the people are going to use the thing are okay with

1822
02:22:10,990 --> 02:22:16,150
whatever whatever if you know while we're spending the money. Well, I have to fulfill the

1823
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:20,530
on Mr. Gordon for that and he deals with them all the time and he seems to be happy with it.

1824
02:22:22,210 --> 02:22:22,390
Okay?

1825
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:29,480
I'd like to make an impression that we award bid number.

1826
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:41,020
2015-12 to Arlington, that might incorporate it in the amount of $96,000, $240 for the most amount and the deductive

1827
02:22:41,020 --> 02:22:49,780
alternate number one for the aggressive, semi-horsebar and receptacles. Motion by Ms. Halterl. Second, second by Mr. Coferbert.

1828
02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:57,500
Further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor say aye. I don't have a vote like that, motion care. Thank you.

1829
02:22:57,500 --> 02:22:58,380
Thank you.

1830
02:22:58,580 --> 02:23:03,720
Yes, what is 60 days to substantial completion and 30 days to final?

1831
02:23:04,500 --> 02:23:06,420
Thank you.

1832
02:23:06,420 --> 02:23:09,280
Thank you.

1833
02:23:12,020 --> 02:23:13,580
What time are you going to leave?

1834
02:23:13,780 --> 02:23:14,520
All in 45.

1835
02:23:16,220 --> 02:23:17,360
John, we'll just switch out.

1836
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:17,800
It's all in 45.

1837
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:17,820
It's all in 45.

1838
02:23:17,820 --> 02:23:19,480
Well, I just didn't break them.

1839
02:23:19,480 --> 02:23:19,920
Board of Honor.

1840
02:23:20,740 --> 02:23:21,660
Thank you.

1841
02:23:22,140 --> 02:23:22,300
Thank you.

1842
02:23:22,400 --> 02:23:22,940
Thank you.

1843
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:23,360
Just.

1844
02:23:23,700 --> 02:23:26,360
I'd like to, first of all, go to the next issue.

1845
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:31,740
to be accused myself is because I am a board member, but I would like to speak to me

1846
02:23:31,740 --> 02:23:36,080
because it wasn't able to make it for medical reasons and I'd like to address it.

1847
02:23:36,320 --> 02:23:36,680
That's good.

1848
02:23:39,980 --> 02:23:43,740
Next item is time extension, request from O.C.

1849
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:44,560
Have you ever read half of the silver?

1850
02:23:45,400 --> 02:23:51,000
Yes, there's a request from them to have a 15-day extension to vacate the thrift store.

1851
02:23:53,080 --> 02:23:58,720
And that would put their actual possession period expires September 21, so they're just asking

1852
02:23:58,720 --> 02:23:59,660
to go into October.

1853
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:02,000
16.

1854
02:24:03,620 --> 02:24:07,400
Since you're going to talk, I'm going to ask you, I'm going to go to the other day, and there's

1855
02:24:07,400 --> 02:24:12,160
another door that says, come down to the building next to rope first.

1856
02:24:12,580 --> 02:24:14,540
You will be at the next September 1st.

1857
02:24:14,580 --> 02:24:15,240
Well we're trying.

1858
02:24:15,580 --> 02:24:16,520
That's what I want to explain.

1859
02:24:16,540 --> 02:24:19,460
What happened was, we do have another building least.

1860
02:24:19,460 --> 02:24:23,560
City has been working almost almost a night and day trying to prepare.

1861
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:30,880
Our problem was that there was an existing tenant in there so we couldn't start the repairs on the inside of building until that tenant was out.

1862
02:24:31,320 --> 02:24:38,660
So it threw us behind and then when we closed the front part, the Eastern part, we moved a lot of that product into the thrift course.

1863
02:24:39,140 --> 02:24:41,860
So it really kind of, you have to maneuver your way through there.

1864
02:24:41,900 --> 02:24:49,320
So we've got a lot of merchandise to move and that's why it's just to get this finished up so no give us time to clean up the thrift store.

1865
02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:53,800
at the current facility, we don't want to leave it on mass, you know, so basically may not

1866
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:58,220
take us, you know, 15 more days and as soon as we get the material out, we'll turn the

1867
02:24:58,220 --> 02:25:01,240
kings over, it may not be 15 days, but we're asking for 15 days.

1868
02:25:06,940 --> 02:25:08,000
Where are they moving to?

1869
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:11,140
The DRB, your day is built.

1870
02:25:11,140 --> 02:25:13,920
When the fire in, where the vegetable place goes?

1871
02:25:14,300 --> 02:25:19,640
Yes, that would be a problem, they had material that we couldn't get in there to do the repairs,

1872
02:25:19,640 --> 02:25:24,000
and that was quite a bit of stuff that we had to do inside to get it ready.

1873
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:27,700
Yeah, no, because they've been gone for a while, so three times I was wondering why it was taken so long.

1874
02:25:31,780 --> 02:25:31,820
Yes.

1875
02:25:31,820 --> 02:25:33,480
You know, I have possession of that space now.

1876
02:25:33,580 --> 02:25:35,080
Yes, sir. We have something to leave.

1877
02:25:45,450 --> 02:25:50,610
Do you think you could relocate by the end of September?

1878
02:25:52,090 --> 02:25:52,810
Well, that's the same.

1879
02:25:53,090 --> 02:25:53,430
31 days?

1880
02:25:53,930 --> 02:25:58,990
I don't, I'm not sure, because we're working on a currently trying to get everything ready to move the stuff over.

1881
02:25:59,810 --> 02:26:07,310
That's why we've asked for the extra and is it a way until the last minute, you know, and then coming before the ward we've asked that approval if we can get everything moved

1882
02:26:07,310 --> 02:26:13,450
We will certainly turn the keys over the day that we get the last piece out of it, and that's what we'll attempt to do.

1883
02:26:32,340 --> 02:26:34,760
I want you guys to be working, I'll be moving that stuff running.

1884
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:36,360
I don't keep it with us on the last day.

1885
02:26:36,360 --> 02:26:39,560
I've been working, I don't know the exact day.

1886
02:26:40,460 --> 02:26:44,080
I'd have to go back and pull the payment which Sid has all that stuff.

1887
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:48,720
I know we've been working there several weeks right now doing the repair holes in the wall.

1888
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:54,580
You know, there was a reason that I contained another stall so we had to close that wall up there and fix it.

1889
02:26:54,660 --> 02:27:00,500
We paired that the floor, there was a lot of work that was done to get ready to move this stuff in.

1890
02:27:00,560 --> 02:27:04,260
Because once you move it in, then you can't paint, you can't do the floor.

1891
02:27:05,020 --> 02:27:07,940
So, you know, when you move it to the ceiling, you know, you've been through it.

1892
02:27:08,120 --> 02:27:12,040
Everybody has to go once that's the time, you know, otherwise you did that moving twice.

1893
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:12,960
It

1894
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:22,330
was unlikely Mr. Irwin you knew it from himself.

1895
02:27:25,810 --> 02:27:28,870
What's your original day of that, by the way?

1896
02:27:28,870 --> 02:27:29,850
What's the original date?

1897
02:27:30,090 --> 02:27:31,230
You were sanding the 9'd day, was it?

1898
02:27:31,230 --> 02:27:34,130
$25 for $0.22 for the 9'd day.

1899
02:27:34,510 --> 02:27:35,030
$0.22 for the 9'd day.

1900
02:27:35,030 --> 02:27:35,550
He did that.

1901
02:27:35,550 --> 02:27:35,690
So we did that.

1902
02:27:35,850 --> 02:27:38,590
we finalized the 8 out of the 9'd days but I don't know whether it was

1903
02:27:38,590 --> 02:27:41,830
actually 9'd days from that day where 9'd days from the 8'd day, but

1904
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:42,590
well, originally.

1905
02:27:43,250 --> 02:27:44,610
From the 9'd agreements at.

1906
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:45,350
The 5'd on son does it.

1907
02:27:45,370 --> 02:27:45,490
That...

1908
02:27:45,490 --> 02:27:45,810
We did not.

1909
02:27:46,030 --> 02:27:49,430
I didn't understand that, so we got everything out the 30 days from the time

1910
02:27:49,430 --> 02:27:52,030
that we actually brought them for the board out of the the e-s Immediately.

1911
02:27:52,890 --> 02:27:57,030
So we actually got to have more time at e-s hatırlute but we went ahead and

1912
02:27:57,030 --> 02:28:00,990
out of there, pushed in and moved a lot of stuff over to the rest of the world.

1913
02:28:01,410 --> 02:28:03,150
So the east building is vacant now.

1914
02:28:03,370 --> 02:28:03,930
Yes sir.

1915
02:28:04,530 --> 02:28:07,410
And then you pushed all of the stuff into the little building?

1916
02:28:07,630 --> 02:28:12,210
Not all of it, but all of the stuff we couldn't, we couldn't, we had to, we didn't have

1917
02:28:12,210 --> 02:28:12,690
a lot of stuff.

1918
02:28:13,250 --> 02:28:16,830
If you could do that, I was going to, I got something for you to move.

1919
02:28:23,450 --> 02:28:26,690
I told Sid, it was the hardest work in the little alpha I've ever seen, you know.

1920
02:28:30,210 --> 02:28:36,770
Well, since I know exactly what you're going through with own DR's building and when I saw this first

1921
02:28:36,770 --> 02:28:44,570
I was wondering if you even had a building and the concern I had, if you didn't have a building then you really had a big problem.

1922
02:28:45,130 --> 02:28:45,150
Sure.

1923
02:28:45,530 --> 02:28:51,510
So I know what you're doing, I know DR's building, I know the extensive work you're having to be like us.

1924
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:55,230
You're telling me that was in the vegetable in our way of...

1925
02:28:55,230 --> 02:28:57,150
Yeah, we're talking about Gotham industries.

1926
02:28:57,670 --> 02:28:57,690
Right.

1927
02:28:58,370 --> 02:29:07,250
All right, so I don't have a problem of making it to October 6.

1928
02:29:08,090 --> 02:29:10,430
I'm not going to keep the count of doing anything as a robber.

1929
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:11,150
No, sir.

1930
02:29:13,430 --> 02:29:16,570
Now, preference would be that we abide by the agreement, but I really don't have a problem

1931
02:29:16,570 --> 02:29:17,350
to extend that.

1932
02:29:18,150 --> 02:29:23,070
Well, that's my preference really, but at the end of the day, what's the reality of this?

1933
02:29:23,450 --> 02:29:27,210
You're going to try to focus on making sure it's out of the ring here by September 30th.

1934
02:29:27,210 --> 02:29:29,470
This is just a fail-safe in case you don't do it, right?

1935
02:29:32,370 --> 02:29:32,990
I'll make a motion.

1936
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:38,550
Board of Count McMissures, honor to request from Oof Shelby Rehabilitation Facility to

1937
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:39,450
extend a position.

1938
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:45,110
Period from September 21, 2015 to October 6, 2015.

1939
02:29:45,450 --> 02:29:55,650
They extension to vacate the thrift store building, Western building, provide staff and providing

1940
02:29:56,130 --> 02:29:59,410
and at least by the September 30th, they will be fine as well.

1941
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,460
Motion by Mr. Burroughs to approve extension of 15 to extension to vacate through a store.

1942
02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:11,760
A second. Second by Ms. Health and further discussion. Hearing none, those in favor say aye.

1943
02:30:13,340 --> 02:30:18,560
Opposed like sign, there's three eyes and one extension. Thank you.

1944
02:30:18,680 --> 02:30:21,400
Mr. Co-prepare for abstained.

1945
02:30:21,400 --> 02:30:21,920
you may.

1946
02:30:24,060 --> 02:30:32,700
Item 3G, Spielman Technologies, and actually this is last one I'd like to do before lunch break.

1947
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:40,100
What have you more than?

1948
02:30:41,500 --> 02:30:47,840
Yeah, this is an ongoing issue we've had since the Towers on Pound, who went to the 800 System,

1949
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:55,940
and this is hopefully the phase of this moment technologies, and also CI, who actually runs the state

1950
02:30:55,940 --> 02:31:01,040
The law enforcement network, first largest system that we're on, but both the systems together,

1951
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:08,800
hopefully we can fix our paging problem and increase our volunteer response in a long haul.

1952
02:31:11,250 --> 02:31:13,910
What's your paging capability now? How do you do that?

1953
02:31:14,270 --> 02:31:24,310
Paging can clearly right now means that dispatch presently is logging into a website and then sending out a mass text on personal cell phones.

1954
02:31:24,310 --> 02:31:27,210
Send an out of text. Yes,

1955
02:31:30,390 --> 02:31:33,990
I was kind of curious how there's pages. I was one of my questions. How does this work?

1956
02:31:34,430 --> 02:31:40,290
Yeah, we moved into that system because there and my first one in the problem I set my phone up to do everybody's

1957
02:31:40,290 --> 02:31:42,390
Hey, it was myself for the

1958
02:31:42,390 --> 02:31:49,930
Volunteer president one of us had it set up and after a while your phone just doesn't like that. There's a white thing not 30 mass tests at one time

1959
02:31:52,740 --> 02:31:54,780
This is like a plectron system. Yes

1960
02:31:56,280 --> 02:32:02,260
This is almost, the Carl, this is almost as good as the extension of this, whether it's telephone systems.

1961
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:04,220
It really would be quite frankly.

1962
02:32:06,060 --> 02:32:06,980
Black system.

1963
02:32:08,500 --> 02:32:12,440
Well, the system that we had in place was the old VHS system.

1964
02:32:13,160 --> 02:32:16,240
When the tower came down, it was when we found out that the equipment had to be updated,

1965
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:18,720
so we did part of the equipment update.

1966
02:32:19,900 --> 02:32:25,300
The repeater, we had it so old that we couldn't reband it, so it had to be getting a new repeater.

1967
02:32:25,300 --> 02:32:30,740
And then after we got that then we had a lightning strike which took up the over equipment that we had

1968
02:32:30,740 --> 02:32:34,780
We replaced it with some other old equipment because we could make it work and then we could hit again

1969
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:42,450
So we're doing the prevent light in strikes

1970
02:32:45,540 --> 02:32:48,260
Where's the I he's left you to that question was coming?

1971
02:32:48,460 --> 02:32:53,850
Yeah, you know, they've gone through actually I've been also coming back through to make sure then our actual grounding that

1972
02:32:53,850 --> 02:33:01,170
the public safety complex is actually better than what's outside. So, for the most part, we've done all we can.

1973
02:33:02,850 --> 02:33:04,990
That's just keeping your fingers crossed on line.

1974
02:33:05,170 --> 02:33:07,230
Yeah, they didn't call me last night.

1975
02:33:07,630 --> 02:33:12,110
What when the system got taken out was through the phone line or through the electrical line?

1976
02:33:13,050 --> 02:33:14,890
Where's the hooked up the phone system at all?

1977
02:33:17,290 --> 02:33:20,670
But sometimes we can get that the phones will do that too.

1978
02:33:20,670 --> 02:33:28,670
Yes, one time one electric strikes strikes was through the phone lines with any alley that supplied the manual one side

1979
02:33:30,570 --> 02:33:32,610
One others we think came it through the tower

1980
02:33:32,610 --> 02:33:35,310
but not for sure

1981
02:33:35,310 --> 02:33:41,430
There's no end of the blown up components. They had the Florida pound lights that you've put in any kind of a suppressor or

1982
02:33:41,930 --> 02:33:43,670
Surged suppressor on the

1983
02:33:44,750 --> 02:33:49,270
Box on the wall outside before it got into system and burned everything out in the world, and it's

1984
02:33:50,270 --> 02:33:56,330
So far, as far as the page of system, we just lost like one the drive computer or the software itself,

1985
02:33:56,450 --> 02:33:57,510
to actually run to the radio.

1986
02:34:00,210 --> 02:34:03,210
And then we went down, we thought something in the wall had to, but it came into the ground.

1987
02:34:03,730 --> 02:34:05,730
So I mean, it stopped at where it's supposed to.

1988
02:34:05,850 --> 02:34:09,770
In most cases, but it was also one hit that tower.

1989
02:34:10,010 --> 02:34:11,710
It was the one that was the biggest damage.

1990
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:21,700
This is already budgeted, right?

1991
02:34:23,180 --> 02:34:27,140
No, we're going to part of it was budgeted and part of it was not.

1992
02:34:27,140 --> 02:34:30,000
But we needed the systems, so there's other stuff we just want by.

1993
02:34:30,140 --> 02:34:36,080
We need to be able to get hold of volunteers, bring them in.

1994
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:38,500
So there's 65,000 in this budget.

1995
02:34:39,140 --> 02:34:41,420
We had about 45,000 budget.

1996
02:34:41,940 --> 02:34:45,600
We had gender items, says the fire rescue has funds in this year's budget to purchase

1997
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:50,040
hit with insurance money, and fire rescue has 65 to quit.

1998
02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:50,680
We had a system.

1999
02:34:51,220 --> 02:34:56,220
Yeah, there's some part of it that we had other items that were on that are regular

2000
02:34:56,220 --> 02:34:57,780
that were actually budgeted.

2001
02:34:57,780 --> 02:35:03,880
We didn't have the full 65,000, some of the stuff that we had budgeted in, I don't know if we would not purchase.

2002
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:08,780
How much money do we have left in your capital budget for this year?

2003
02:35:11,650 --> 02:35:12,770
Please come up.

2004
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:13,870
It's behind you.

2005
02:35:19,550 --> 02:35:25,090
Actually, what we're going to do to accommodate this expense, we have a certain part of the money that's already in the budget.

2006
02:35:25,850 --> 02:35:30,210
And from the other budget, your market is going to reallocate from there.

2007
02:35:30,210 --> 02:35:35,390
So, like you said, there's some things that we're going to do to the world that we're just not going to buy.

2008
02:35:35,610 --> 02:35:36,010
You're just going to buy.

2009
02:35:36,010 --> 02:35:36,250
Yeah.

2010
02:35:36,810 --> 02:35:39,090
I think that was Mr. Burrell's question.

2011
02:35:39,170 --> 02:35:41,190
Is there money in your capital budget today?

2012
02:35:41,470 --> 02:35:41,650
Yeah.

2013
02:35:41,930 --> 02:35:43,190
You're not asking for additional.

2014
02:35:43,450 --> 02:35:44,750
That's right. That's what I was asking for.

2015
02:35:45,290 --> 02:35:46,410
Yes. That's why I was confused.

2016
02:35:46,810 --> 02:35:46,870
Yeah.

2017
02:35:47,790 --> 02:35:47,970
No.

2018
02:35:48,290 --> 02:35:50,130
We have money in there.

2019
02:35:50,130 --> 02:35:50,230
Yeah.

2020
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:51,170
Yeah. Money in there.

2021
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:57,130
That was the question.

2022
02:35:57,470 --> 02:35:58,310
That was the question.

2023
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:59,630
Yes.

2024
02:35:59,630 --> 02:35:59,910
Okay.

2025
02:36:00,230 --> 02:36:01,550
That's a different aisle.

2026
02:36:01,710 --> 02:36:01,910
Thank you.

2027
02:36:02,050 --> 02:36:02,310
That's a different aisle.

2028
02:36:04,570 --> 02:36:06,850
We were just about to have a different discussion.

2029
02:36:09,950 --> 02:36:10,030
Okay.

2030
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:10,970
Thank you for the question.

2031
02:36:11,030 --> 02:36:13,850
So this is going to resolve all your problems, right?

2032
02:36:14,390 --> 02:36:14,970
I don't know.

2033
02:36:14,970 --> 02:36:15,610
No, no, no.

2034
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:15,950
No, no, no.

2035
02:36:16,290 --> 02:36:16,990
It should.

2036
02:36:17,710 --> 02:36:20,750
As far as being able to pay to volunteers, it shouldn't.

2037
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:21,550
Because it's going to start.

2038
02:36:22,090 --> 02:36:25,330
Does this work to the phones also, like a text message, or how does that?

2039
02:36:25,330 --> 02:36:33,010
Or the cost system here is actually a combination of cell and radios is what we're going to it's a new page

2040
02:36:33,810 --> 02:36:40,150
Your the page your works off of the VHS system so you can actually send out the old tones and talk across the radio and

2041
02:36:40,690 --> 02:36:43,810
Or it also works as a text message, but all into one unit

2042
02:36:43,810 --> 02:36:46,570
So you can actually send the digital text message to the unit

2043
02:36:47,210 --> 02:36:52,590
So you got 28 pages in this I think is that what is that the number right so on there?

2044
02:36:52,590 --> 02:36:55,530
20. 20? Yes. 20. So that's 20.

2045
02:36:57,550 --> 02:37:03,270
So that enough to. Yeah, is that enough? Yeah, because we

2046
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:07,950
have some of the minute or five that we can still use as a radio pageer. So I'll get we'll

2047
02:37:07,950 --> 02:37:10,170
have about 28 pages total.

2048
02:37:12,930 --> 02:37:19,390
Okay. The reason I ask this question is because if you're only

2049
02:37:19,390 --> 02:37:24,910
bandating is, let's fix the, let's fix the problem and don't bandate it.

2050
02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:29,550
Yeah, no, I think we may have to get in the future, maybe some additional painters themselves.

2051
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:37,480
Those are like $500 units. Okay. One issue of money was an issue, not ban dating.

2052
02:37:37,520 --> 02:37:42,720
No, no, no, that's why it took a long time after a lot of research trying to find the right equipment.

2053
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:51,220
So one person, I can do this when I still need this until I got both the solutions together was a reason why I put up with that drug out so far.

2054
02:37:52,660 --> 02:37:59,060
All right, I'll make a motion of the Board of County Commission to prove the contract was to build the technologies and corporate in the amount of $40,000, $4,12,

2055
02:37:59,060 --> 02:38:05,580
dollars for the Kipling Paging Interface and a quote from C.I. for Paging Interface and

2056
02:38:05,580 --> 02:38:14,400
Pages for 23,318 dollars and 59 cents for total of 65,730 dollars and 59 cents.

2057
02:38:14,780 --> 02:38:16,160
Motion by Mr. Burroughs.

2058
02:38:16,280 --> 02:38:16,320
Second.

2059
02:38:16,600 --> 02:38:16,860
Second.

2060
02:38:19,020 --> 02:38:19,400
Second.

2061
02:38:23,990 --> 02:38:24,290
Second.

2062
02:38:24,290 --> 02:38:24,610
Second.

2063
02:38:24,610 --> 02:38:31,510
like sign motion carries. Thank you, sorry for the confused. Just remember now what you

2064
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:37,570
committed to Mr. Burrows over here that this fixes your problem. Yes. You're going to get a

2065
02:38:37,570 --> 02:38:44,630
purchase right away for a correct. Yes. Hold the PO. Okay, well there's almost almost no

2066
02:38:44,630 --> 02:38:48,970
and I would like to take a break for the least one. I don't know where you need a hour hour and

2067
02:38:50,610 --> 02:38:58,970
One-third, one-third, one-third, we'll recess until one-third. Thank you.

2068
02:38:59,630 --> 02:39:02,830
No, the dials are the best. The dials are

2069
02:39:13,300 --> 02:39:14,140
the best.

2070
02:39:19,860 --> 02:39:24,460
Yes, as we're reminded about cell phones, if you were at a cell phone turn them all, put them on their plane.

2071
02:39:29,250 --> 02:39:32,410
We're going to recommend next item on the agenda.

2072
02:39:32,410 --> 02:39:37,190
to be a three-eighth or a criminal execution or a collective marion group?

2073
02:39:40,350 --> 02:39:47,650
Yes. As the boards aware, over the courses, several years and most recently in the last

2074
02:39:47,650 --> 02:39:52,110
maybe four or five months, we've been working on negotiating and we need to be in contract

2075
02:39:53,530 --> 02:40:00,370
before or when it's fired March of 2007, and through our executive sessions with the board,

2076
02:40:00,370 --> 02:40:11,210
We've come to you periodically with the different items that the union wished to have changed and we've discussed those things together and come up with

2077
02:40:11,210 --> 02:40:18,170
What we thought we would offer back and we've done those things in this contract before you is a combination of all of these discussions

2078
02:40:19,550 --> 02:40:20,190
and

2079
02:40:20,190 --> 02:40:25,630
You have a new contract in front of you with those items included

2080
02:40:25,630 --> 02:40:27,230
Probably the most,

2081
02:40:29,950 --> 02:40:35,470
the highlights, I guess, would be the best way to put it, the summary of those changes would be the increased standards for promotions.

2082
02:40:36,230 --> 02:40:42,370
The addition of a driver engineer position to allow for promotional opportunities within the department.

2083
02:40:44,130 --> 02:40:47,970
Holiday pay, now being paid on the holiday instead of being allowed to bank.

2084
02:40:48,810 --> 02:40:54,010
that's created and linked to the employees, performance evaluation, some adjustments to the

2085
02:40:54,010 --> 02:40:58,910
incentive pay items and adjustment to the dependent starting pay and references to calendar

2086
02:40:58,910 --> 02:41:00,490
days was made to business days.

2087
02:41:02,190 --> 02:41:08,110
So those are the main things we've shown you the financial impact year by year, this union

2088
02:41:08,110 --> 02:41:10,230
agreement, and

2089
02:41:12,370 --> 02:41:17,990
I didn't total it to tell you exactly the whole dollar amount, but by overall

2090
02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:22,130
within a hundred forty thousand dollars say average per year impact

2091
02:41:27,480 --> 02:41:39,240
So 140 yeah, on average the impact in 16 17's 145 17 18 1 37 18 19 142 some I say, you know somewhere in the

2092
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:41,280
140s

2093
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:42,900
Yes, yes

2094
02:42:01,300 --> 02:42:05,840
And just for your reference, the human hands were out of find the contract with their lives.

2095
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:06,380
Thank you.

2096
02:42:06,540 --> 02:42:06,740
Sorry.

2097
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:07,300
Yes.

2098
02:42:07,660 --> 02:42:09,680
I have ratified the syringe as well.

2099
02:42:13,250 --> 02:42:13,910
You might have questions.

2100
02:42:16,860 --> 02:42:18,040
Please, my note, Tom.

2101
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:20,400
I just had a note, so there's some place in the background.

2102
02:42:20,700 --> 02:42:21,680
I've got to go.

2103
02:42:22,060 --> 02:42:23,160
Go ahead.

2104
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:28,400
そうですね.

2105
02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:32,400
Education's not right.

2106
02:42:32,400 --> 02:42:34,920
Which we're talking about in the management rights.

2107
02:42:36,580 --> 02:42:39,040
Use your own.

2108
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:40,520
But hey Calc said號.

2109
02:42:40,640 --> 02:42:40,820
Okay.

2110
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:42,900
216, 26.

2111
02:42:42,900 --> 02:42:43,780
206, acknowledgement.

2112
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:44,860
Well 206,alnya.

2113
02:42:45,220 --> 02:42:45,860
206.

2114
02:42:51,870 --> 02:42:52,590
206.

2115
02:42:56,150 --> 02:42:56,870
206.

2116
02:42:56,870 --> 02:42:57,530
206.

2117
02:43:01,290 --> 02:43:02,010
216.

2118
02:43:02,010 --> 02:43:02,730
of landfill.

2119
02:43:07,260 --> 02:43:11,360
Can you define what management rights have been limited?

2120
02:43:14,860 --> 02:43:19,840
Well, pretty much in the most America of terms, we have the ability to determine

2121
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:27,620
the worst-casuous, mostly conditions of employment, motion, those kind of things.

2122
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:34,460
So, from the standpoint of running the department and making those decisions of where people

2123
02:43:34,460 --> 02:43:39,860
were sawing in that kind of stuff. That has always been a manager right there to retain

2124
02:43:39,860 --> 02:43:42,460
buying by the administration of the county.

2125
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:48,360
The employee of the Maine Management Wright that was given up and done long before the

2126
02:43:48,360 --> 02:43:56,620
disagreement was the incorporation of the arbitration versus employment at Will. So that's

2127
02:43:56,620 --> 02:43:58,360
the main manager at Wright that was given up.

2128
02:43:58,600 --> 02:43:58,920
That was good.

2129
02:43:58,920 --> 02:44:01,260
Did you sound like that from a discussion we had this morning?

2130
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:10,740
Well, I could gather that, you might feel that way, but the scheduling is a management

2131
02:44:10,740 --> 02:44:11,080
right.

2132
02:44:11,340 --> 02:44:11,860
It's still in here.

2133
02:44:11,980 --> 02:44:13,160
I was in a hundred down for you.

2134
02:44:13,160 --> 02:44:14,080
It's an article 12.

2135
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:19,260
It says, say, that the county hereby reserves the unilateral right to re-establish or change

2136
02:44:19,260 --> 02:44:19,860
the average work.

2137
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:22,060
Weekend or schedule of hours to be worked.

2138
02:44:22,380 --> 02:44:26,420
Subject to advance notice of any change to the union at least 45 days prior to its effective

2139
02:44:26,420 --> 02:44:26,860
date.

2140
02:44:27,480 --> 02:44:33,120
So if we were to get 45 day notice, if we were going to implement a 12 hour shift, what

2141
02:44:33,120 --> 02:44:37,220
what it keeps us from doing. What are the limitations to being able to do that?

2142
02:44:38,880 --> 02:44:44,820
I think there's some about pay today. I think that you probably wouldn't pay people differently or something.

2143
02:44:45,280 --> 02:44:49,520
Correct. I think there's a limitation that might be, we can affect the 12 hour changes.

2144
02:44:50,520 --> 02:44:58,800
I think the limitation may come in is that the contract defines what a certain position makes per year.

2145
02:44:58,800 --> 02:44:58,820
Thank you.

2146
02:45:10,100 --> 02:45:17,620
That's also based on work in a certain number of hours during the week, right? We're doing the month, 200 and 12. That's how you calculate that, correct?

2147
02:45:18,380 --> 02:45:23,280
It's calculated out that way, yes. So you use some hourly rate to do that.

2148
02:45:23,280 --> 02:45:30,480
It's almost circular, I mean each component has a function of it, so I mean I understand what you're saying.

2149
02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:32,120
I'm not arguing against what you're saying.

2150
02:45:32,820 --> 02:45:38,220
But I think in order to understand it, because I've been trying to understand this calculation myself,

2151
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:42,260
is if I wanted to go to 12 hours, what were you to pay to my use?

2152
02:45:42,500 --> 02:45:45,780
Do I recalculate the paramedics base paid?

2153
02:45:45,820 --> 02:45:50,020
That's $42,000 based on 29, 12.

2154
02:45:50,020 --> 02:45:58,900
And then take that hourly rate and do it on a 12-hour shift or do I do it on the 2080 for a year?

2155
02:45:59,420 --> 02:46:01,260
That's the piece that I'm struggling with.

2156
02:46:01,280 --> 02:46:04,600
How do you change from 42 to 72 and fairly late?

2157
02:46:04,600 --> 02:46:06,120
That's based on the hourly rate.

2158
02:46:07,300 --> 02:46:10,780
Well, that rate, yes, it would be, it's based on how do you calculate that hourly rate?

2159
02:46:10,920 --> 02:46:12,040
Based on 2912.

2160
02:46:13,180 --> 02:46:13,700
2912.

2161
02:46:14,020 --> 02:46:19,440
Okay, so whatever that 2912 is, that 42,000 divided by that's your hourly rate.

2162
02:46:20,580 --> 02:46:26,060
correct that rain is yes was twenty nine twelve to um that's fifty six hour

2163
02:46:26,060 --> 02:46:30,040
work week times twenty six papers or twenty eight papers it was really that

2164
02:46:30,040 --> 02:46:34,320
limits that limits management stability to hire somebody for twelve hour

2165
02:46:34,320 --> 02:46:38,320
shift because it's non-syptical that you'd hire somebody for twelve hours and

2166
02:46:38,320 --> 02:46:43,110
paying forty two thousand dollars and that's what the chief said we'd have to

2167
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:49,690
did is that right and that's that's yes that is right that's and that's the

2168
02:46:49,690 --> 02:46:55,730
that we're trying to understand as well. You would probably have to create a different.

2169
02:46:55,750 --> 02:47:00,430
I'm sorry. You'd want to give them the same pay for the same work, just less hours.

2170
02:47:01,050 --> 02:47:03,910
No, they would want to pay them when hourly rates instead of hourly pay.

2171
02:47:05,210 --> 02:47:07,690
Yes, but the pay needs to be commenced for it with the job.

2172
02:47:07,870 --> 02:47:13,650
Function, if the job function is the same no matter if I work 24 hour or 12, it's still the same job.

2173
02:47:13,790 --> 02:47:14,610
That's the classic thing.

2174
02:47:14,610 --> 02:47:17,010
The hourly rate is the hourly rate.

2175
02:47:17,890 --> 02:47:22,930
It's either $15 now or $18 now, whatever the number is, or $20 now.

2176
02:47:31,080 --> 02:47:35,100
Basically, the number of ships they work, times that rate is which we come up with.

2177
02:47:35,320 --> 02:47:38,120
If that's what I'm understanding what is going to happen.

2178
02:47:38,140 --> 02:47:39,020
They're not out there.

2179
02:47:39,660 --> 02:47:40,940
They're not salary pay people.

2180
02:47:41,220 --> 02:47:42,100
They're hourly pay people.

2181
02:47:42,360 --> 02:47:46,280
And we create a base salary, which is not in fact a salary.

2182
02:47:46,940 --> 02:47:52,020
Because it called unwork, if she was out of work for two weeks, he didn't get paid,

2183
02:47:54,330 --> 02:47:54,450
right?

2184
02:47:54,450 --> 02:48:00,750
Therefore, he's not on salary. He gets paid by the hour. He gets paid for working whatever it is.

2185
02:48:01,210 --> 02:48:08,610
He's not salary, so he gets paid by the hour. So to have that limitation, if that's our interpretation,

2186
02:48:08,890 --> 02:48:16,810
that's non-sensical because it limits your ability to have staffing other than 24 hours of that.

2187
02:48:18,670 --> 02:48:22,070
Well, according to this agreement with the way it's written,

2188
02:48:22,730 --> 02:48:25,090
again, I'm not really the person with the way it's written,

2189
02:48:25,710 --> 02:48:29,750
we can adjust their work hours to whatever position you wanted to do.

2190
02:48:30,430 --> 02:48:36,290
However, the contract also defines the minimum salary for whatever position

2191
02:48:36,290 --> 02:48:37,930
from the minimum to a maximum.

2192
02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:44,870
So the reality of how that would affect a paramedic or a 40 hour week versus a 24 hour week,

2193
02:48:45,490 --> 02:48:53,290
That's subject to probably the dissonant negotiations or some other kind of formula, but Jake is not a salary.

2194
02:48:55,650 --> 02:48:58,130
What if it's a payway? It's probably not a word to use.

2195
02:48:59,270 --> 02:49:00,850
It's a payway.

2196
02:49:01,250 --> 02:49:03,890
It's a calculated rate.

2197
02:49:04,470 --> 02:49:10,450
If you work 56 hours a week times your schedule for the year, you would make 42,000 whatever the number.

2198
02:49:10,470 --> 02:49:11,310
That's right.

2199
02:49:11,830 --> 02:49:13,050
So it is an hourly rate.

2200
02:49:13,050 --> 02:49:28,790
So if we take that phase down 29 and 12 and you divided the 42,000 by that, you come up with an hourly wage, which I'm suggesting to you that that would be equal to an hourly rate that the guys now getting paid to work for 56 hours a week.

2201
02:49:29,070 --> 02:49:33,330
That's true. That's how it's done. It would have to be an order to even calculate over time.

2202
02:49:33,530 --> 02:49:33,890
I'm sorry.

2203
02:49:34,830 --> 02:49:37,030
It would have to be the even calculate the overtime.

2204
02:49:38,570 --> 02:49:39,550
So yes, you're right.

2205
02:49:39,550 --> 02:49:49,530
I'm just saying that if you say you cannot do that, that's a limitation on your ability to do variable staffing when you need it.

2206
02:49:54,220 --> 02:50:04,140
If I have to say 42,000 divided by 2080, which is a typical work we award year for 40-hour week person, that's $20 now or give a tag.

2207
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:08,440
If I do 29, 12, and divide that by whatever, what does it mean?

2208
02:50:08,940 --> 02:50:09,540
1450.

2209
02:50:10,200 --> 02:50:10,800
1450.

2210
02:50:11,680 --> 02:50:12,840
14 whatever number.

2211
02:50:13,560 --> 02:50:20,440
It's not logical that you would face somebody who's working 40 hours a week, the same gross

2212
02:50:20,440 --> 02:50:22,980
pay, which is 42,000 dollars a year, because that's not logical.

2213
02:50:26,400 --> 02:50:33,060
So if that's accurate, then it limits your ability to do any kind of staffing other than

2214
02:50:33,060 --> 02:50:38,680
24-hour staffing, that makes sense, financial, and the other is, or logical.

2215
02:50:38,680 --> 02:50:39,160
You

2216
02:50:45,880 --> 02:50:53,540
know, the government is kind of a similar thing, which was a light duty when we have

2217
02:50:53,540 --> 02:50:54,400
some amount of light duty.

2218
02:50:54,600 --> 02:51:03,080
We can't relate their pay on the basis of 2080 hours, not 2090, why don't we do that?

2219
02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:07,940
I don't know.

2220
02:51:08,060 --> 02:51:09,260
What the minute is that logical?

2221
02:51:09,780 --> 02:51:12,640
Well, that provision match is currently policy.

2222
02:51:13,460 --> 02:51:13,780
I'm sorry.

2223
02:51:13,940 --> 02:51:16,340
That particular provision match is the county policy.

2224
02:51:17,060 --> 02:51:23,640
It's based on the idea that if you're going to pay them $20 an hour versus $14.50 what that is.

2225
02:51:24,260 --> 02:51:27,520
It's based on, for me, that doesn't make any sense if you were doing it.

2226
02:51:27,720 --> 02:51:31,500
It's based on the theory that when they're all white, do they continue to make their same sound?

2227
02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:39,920
Art of the 13 limits, the count is the ability to hire or down to your birthday.

2228
02:51:43,380 --> 02:51:45,100
Correct, it does in the part-time register.

2229
02:51:45,100 --> 02:51:52,440
I'm sorry, it does limit it on the part-time, which correct it limits our ability to hire somebody who replaced the person.

2230
02:51:53,640 --> 02:51:53,840
Correct.

2231
02:51:54,300 --> 02:51:57,380
What we have is the current position, the other limitation of management.

2232
02:51:58,520 --> 02:52:02,000
You have an hour of cement to your commissioner, the part-time people in the engine.

2233
02:52:02,840 --> 02:52:04,580
It's not as easy as the safety issue.

2234
02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:10,120
As far as this current article would allow us, this temporary employees,

2235
02:52:11,400 --> 02:52:14,100
allows us to hire someone in a full-time position

2236
02:52:14,100 --> 02:52:18,780
with the salary and the benefits, to cover someone that's going to be out of the

2237
02:52:18,780 --> 02:52:26,880
extended leaf, which is we currently have a couple of ways in those positions right now.

2238
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:29,480
The part-time position, now.

2239
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:59,240
You referenced to be able to call people, and when as we meet them, we might need them one day this week and not day, not for three weeks or whatever, I would submit to you with my own experience that that is a safety issue, because we work as homes, we work in conjunction with training, and we would be very hard to keep all the people trained and cohesive with the team concept, just by using them whenever they need my PRN-based assessment.

2240
02:53:00,000 --> 02:53:01,900
Well, section two, and that's same article,

2241
02:53:02,060 --> 02:53:04,120
saying the country will be section one.

2242
02:53:08,710 --> 02:53:10,490
The separate board is May work both on the hours

2243
02:53:10,490 --> 02:53:12,650
that's determined by the county, but in section one,

2244
02:53:12,730 --> 02:53:14,650
we agree that we can only hire time for our purpose

2245
02:53:14,650 --> 02:53:16,130
to work for the same state.

2246
02:53:16,850 --> 02:53:19,910
So that's a controversial number one, my opinion.

2247
02:54:06,700 --> 02:54:08,760
And again, you know, we show an article,

2248
02:54:09,060 --> 02:54:11,620
16 about pay compensation, we show this.

2249
02:54:11,620 --> 02:54:14,300
We're still on the minimum star, which is a salary,

2250
02:54:14,320 --> 02:54:17,080
which in fact is not a salary, it's an hour and a rate.

2251
02:54:18,400 --> 02:54:19,240
Yeah, we're not salaries.

2252
02:54:19,240 --> 02:54:23,420
of pay ranges, it says it right there, and by B, it says the pay ranges for bargaining

2253
02:54:23,420 --> 02:54:24,020
plays.

2254
02:54:24,260 --> 02:54:24,940
Do I?

2255
02:54:25,400 --> 02:54:34,120
In article in Article 16, Section 1, B, says the pay ranges, doesn't say salaries.

2256
02:54:34,880 --> 02:54:40,740
As a minimum start, press, and we're using that minimum start as a reason why we can't

2257
02:54:40,740 --> 02:54:44,040
pay differently for people who work different types of shifts.

2258
02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:51,260
You would have to calculate something different, but pay them the same commensurate rate.

2259
02:54:51,360 --> 02:54:54,120
What does that mean?

2260
02:54:54,280 --> 02:54:55,020
Well, I think.

2261
02:54:55,020 --> 02:54:56,660
I mean, given an example how they work.

2262
02:54:59,240 --> 02:55:05,440
Well, because I haven't sat and calculated it out because of this question, I'm not really sure that I could give you an accurate example.

2263
02:55:06,400 --> 02:55:07,800
Just sitting here.

2264
02:55:08,660 --> 02:55:15,500
However, I do think that there's probably a rate that's commensurate with the duties.

2265
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:22,500
So we'd have to agree upon, I mean, if you take it in its 2080 and that's 20 dollars an hour,

2266
02:55:23,220 --> 02:55:31,540
you know, for eight hours of work and they make 1451 for 24 hours of work, is that the same?

2267
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:45,480
We say this for like duty when they do something other than paramedic work, but...

2268
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,900
Based on this agreement right now, how much are you going to calculate what I'm going

2269
02:55:50,900 --> 02:55:52,100
to pay per hour?

2270
02:55:53,840 --> 02:55:56,320
I'd have to know how many ships you're going to work in a year to figure it out.

2271
02:55:56,320 --> 02:55:58,240
No, you don't start me off at some rate.

2272
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:07,210
You're going to start off at 20, 80 or 29 and 12, one of the two is what you're saying.

2273
02:56:07,510 --> 02:56:08,050
I don't know.

2274
02:56:08,390 --> 02:56:08,430
I don't know.

2275
02:56:08,430 --> 02:56:08,570
I don't know.

2276
02:56:08,570 --> 02:56:08,770
I don't know.

2277
02:56:08,810 --> 02:56:08,910
I don't know.

2278
02:56:08,910 --> 02:56:10,590
I don't know how to calculate it.

2279
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:16,210
We would have to pay at 20, 80 per hour from the same amount of money as we pay at 29 and 12 per

2280
02:56:16,210 --> 02:56:16,670
person.

2281
02:56:19,390 --> 02:56:28,750
Obsession, six on call back, you know, we have some discussion about call back, and I know we don't have people actually on call,

2282
02:56:29,470 --> 02:56:34,610
who are either part of the either classification of staff.

2283
02:56:36,310 --> 02:56:46,450
And, you know, as I said, of course, I guess if you, if, let's call out for an hour over on the coast, doing whatever, when we get called and we can't come in because we both had a beer.

2284
02:56:48,090 --> 02:56:50,450
Is that a excuse for not coming in?

2285
02:56:51,330 --> 02:56:51,450
Absolutely.

2286
02:56:53,470 --> 02:56:59,590
But would it not be helpful to have us to find us being on the call of so we wouldn't be out of town?

2287
02:57:02,060 --> 02:57:03,640
Or some people on call.

2288
02:57:04,540 --> 02:57:08,200
I understand where you're coming from on that and in the yes.

2289
02:57:08,600 --> 02:57:10,440
If you're some degree having an opinion, you pay people.

2290
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:11,160
You pay people.

2291
02:57:11,360 --> 02:57:12,060
Be on call.

2292
02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:26,180
But right now, the way we work under that operation is we need someone to come back because of excess of call volume, we start making the calls, and our employees are pretty good at responding to that need.

2293
02:57:27,740 --> 02:57:35,640
I don't understand how you do that, but to me it would seem a better process to have people

2294
02:57:35,640 --> 02:57:38,660
actually identified as being on call in case you need them.

2295
02:57:39,720 --> 02:57:40,960
Well, that would be fine.

2296
02:57:41,020 --> 02:57:48,000
I don't have a problem implementing that kind of situation, but that would also increase

2297
02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:53,820
the payroll budget from standpoint to pay in them to find no call time.

2298
02:57:56,690 --> 02:58:01,430
One last question we talked a little bit about this too, because you're talking about staffing, that kind of thing.

2299
02:58:01,710 --> 02:58:07,970
It would be an article 7, the team talks about vacations, and we say that.

2300
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:13,290
Full-time, beginning in and in, employees have more than one year for our service,

2301
02:58:13,950 --> 02:58:18,430
shall take off at least 3 24-hour shifts per purpose of vacations.

2302
02:58:18,910 --> 02:58:23,430
In your ISF question before, why would we require somebody to take a shift all?

2303
02:58:23,930 --> 02:58:31,890
So that they could draw a vacation, but since it's an accrued benefit, while when we just let them draw it, the four days are off one week whenever it ends.

2304
02:58:32,270 --> 02:58:37,650
Or two days without having to take a shift off, which puts you in a position to have to replace them.

2305
02:58:40,280 --> 02:58:44,480
I mean, while we had that requirement to allow the individuals to...

2306
02:58:45,300 --> 02:58:54,660
One who helped from its statin standpoint, I would say, because if I want to take a day off, I got to take a day off on a schedule day to get the vacation pay.

2307
02:58:54,660 --> 02:58:58,500
when you just let me do it. And I know this is a county thing, but it's in a agreement.

2308
02:58:59,880 --> 02:59:03,260
Well, I wouldn't just let that person if they want to, on the regular four day off,

2309
02:59:03,320 --> 02:59:04,460
want to get paid vacation back.

2310
02:59:05,240 --> 02:59:08,980
Yeah, like I say, the three days off is consistent with county policy.

2311
02:59:09,780 --> 02:59:13,420
And to my knowledge, I've checked around, I don't know if we need a department

2312
02:59:13,820 --> 02:59:19,560
that I can find, it pays, someone that's salary to be off on a salary that's

2313
02:59:19,560 --> 02:59:25,240
under a schedule day, with the vacations on like you're doing it, but Jesus, it's an accrued

2314
02:59:25,240 --> 02:59:33,760
liability for the county. It would allow individuals to make that choice. You wouldn't force

2315
02:59:33,760 --> 02:59:39,680
them to take a day off of work to get paid. I would submit, and they aren't, I mean, whatever

2316
02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:42,860
they are in the year, they could take it all over the year's period of time they wanted.

2317
02:59:43,640 --> 02:59:46,000
I would submit that to be a topic for future negotiations.

2318
02:59:57,690 --> 02:59:58,710
That's all, of course, and

2319
03:00:01,580 --> 03:00:05,760
Those are most, most of those are not in the equation. I've had those questions already.

2320
03:00:13,150 --> 03:00:27,110
If the base pay range for a paramedic, which just uses an example sitting here running numbers, is 42272, then the hourly rate is 14.5165.

2321
03:00:27,110 --> 03:00:30,110
And if you take that and work it all the way out.

2322
03:00:30,370 --> 03:00:33,530
So assuming then that a 24-hour employee works

2323
03:00:33,530 --> 03:00:38,970
2,012 hours in a year, a 12-hour employee would work 1,500.

2324
03:00:39,490 --> 03:00:41,890
So which is 1,456.

2325
03:00:42,530 --> 03:00:46,290
Assuming they were on the same exact rotation and doing just 12 hours.

2326
03:00:46,890 --> 03:00:49,590
And an 8-hour employee would work 2,080 hours.

2327
03:00:50,130 --> 03:00:51,750
You still have to calculate an hour right,

2328
03:00:51,850 --> 03:00:52,790
and that's the question how you did.

2329
03:00:52,790 --> 03:00:59,930
And so what I did, I mean, I guess you could come up with any method you want to use to come up with an hourly rate.

2330
03:01:00,030 --> 03:01:10,250
My point is that based on this and where we've been historically with pay, is that the rate is 14.5165, no matter what hours you work, it's still the same rate.

2331
03:01:18,330 --> 03:01:20,750
Well, our interpretation earlier was not that.

2332
03:01:30,320 --> 03:01:33,740
And I think that's an important question to understand.

2333
03:01:36,820 --> 03:01:45,940
If management has the right to change scheduled to hire temporary people, but doesn't have the right to define what that hourly rate is, then it's meaningless.

2334
03:01:50,530 --> 03:01:55,950
And I've heard multiple times, and we've heard multiple times, and we've had to pay up the same thing, even though the work was ourselves.

2335
03:01:57,770 --> 03:02:02,890
As an interpretation of the agreement, and I can't tell you whether that's accurate or not, I don't know.

2336
03:02:02,890 --> 03:02:03,530
I

2337
03:02:07,500 --> 03:02:13,560
mean, I would not read it that way because we're dealing if you have our pay as opposed to salary pay.

2338
03:02:15,020 --> 03:02:19,740
Well, and it's not salary because we obviously nearly have paid overtime and they work overtime just beyond that.

2339
03:02:19,740 --> 03:02:20,880
They're not raising as well.

2340
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:21,920
Actually, it's not salary.

2341
03:02:22,420 --> 03:02:23,060
It's not salary.

2342
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:23,720
It's not salary.

2343
03:02:23,720 --> 03:02:23,920
It's not salary.

2344
03:02:24,540 --> 03:02:25,480
That's a pay range.

2345
03:02:26,060 --> 03:02:29,200
The rate you're doing there pay is calculated by that.

2346
03:02:29,220 --> 03:02:29,920
Work hours not.

2347
03:02:31,040 --> 03:02:31,880
Show up to work.

2348
03:02:31,880 --> 03:02:34,520
Work all you want to home and you get paid 42,000 dollars from that.

2349
03:02:34,560 --> 03:02:35,160
I'm much more.

2350
03:02:35,160 --> 03:02:35,160
I

2351
03:02:40,920 --> 03:02:43,400
don't know if there is.

2352
03:02:44,340 --> 03:02:50,100
If you had the 12 hour shift, when they still make the 14 something an hour, the same.

2353
03:02:50,100 --> 03:02:50,860
To me, they would.

2354
03:02:51,260 --> 03:02:51,320
Yes.

2355
03:02:51,800 --> 03:02:53,020
Because that's my interpretation.

2356
03:02:53,360 --> 03:02:54,400
It's not cheap interpretation.

2357
03:02:55,180 --> 03:02:58,800
So he's going to go a different direction and say that it should be 20 something.

2358
03:02:59,020 --> 03:03:00,600
That hour, whatever it is.

2359
03:03:01,100 --> 03:03:03,880
Which one do you reference in terms of the baseline?

2360
03:03:04,320 --> 03:03:05,200
You're coming up with $20.

2361
03:03:06,200 --> 03:03:07,260
Which one of these salaries?

2362
03:03:07,260 --> 03:03:13,800
It's this fire EMT fire paramedic fire fighter driver, which one you coming up with because I've calculated in

2363
03:03:13,800 --> 03:03:17,540
Malfone, 2008 and 2929-12.

2364
03:03:17,880 --> 03:03:26,380
The 42272 divided by 2080 is 20.32 by 2080.

2365
03:03:26,420 --> 03:03:30,680
Yes, 42272 divided by 280 hours is 20.32.

2366
03:03:31,780 --> 03:03:32,980
I was looking into a second argument.

2367
03:03:33,220 --> 03:03:33,800
That's great.

2368
03:03:34,300 --> 03:03:38,940
So to me, if you had somebody working 12 hours a 12 hour shift and they were

2369
03:03:38,940 --> 03:03:43,360
were supposed to be working, if I were replacing an individual,

2370
03:03:43,620 --> 03:03:46,960
if working one of those at 28, that's what they would get paid

2371
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:49,160
20,000, 32 cents, if you're looking at that.

2372
03:03:49,160 --> 03:03:50,260
This is an area rate.

2373
03:03:51,060 --> 03:03:55,860
To me, I just divide 20, well that's just my question.

2374
03:03:55,980 --> 03:03:58,240
I just asked, and that's my guess.

2375
03:03:59,220 --> 03:04:07,600
So, so is the firefighter parametric at 42272, that rate is a

2376
03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:17,600
or a salary or a son of a pay rate, pay range, or pay rate, let me hear right, and that

2377
03:04:17,600 --> 03:04:25,960
is developed if you got a facility worked, 2,000, 2,000, 80 hours, right?

2378
03:04:27,870 --> 03:04:32,250
The pay range is identified for the 45,772, right?

2379
03:04:32,430 --> 03:04:36,990
Basically, it says that the minimum salary salaries are far, far, far, far, far, far, far.

2380
03:04:36,990 --> 03:04:49,190
They worked. They worked 29-12 renew. Everybody. Right, as stands right now in 24-ish, they worked 29-12, which translates to that $14 and some change.

2381
03:04:49,290 --> 03:05:00,810
$14.52. Right. And I was saying was, is that right now based on the salary ranges, it says the minimum salary for the parametric is this and other level.

2382
03:05:00,810 --> 03:05:08,310
Okay, so we're talking on the same terms of definition, it's a pay rate, it's not a salary.

2383
03:05:08,850 --> 03:05:12,690
The salary has a differentiation in terms of a definition.

2384
03:05:14,010 --> 03:05:20,830
So if I look at it this way, if I had a person coming in and just answered his question for my own self,

2385
03:05:21,150 --> 03:05:24,190
if I had a person that was coming to work in a 12 hour shift,

2386
03:05:24,190 --> 03:05:30,110
I don't know, I'd not apply to 12, but every number of hours he worked on that specific shift

2387
03:05:30,110 --> 03:05:34,790
or that week he was working at 12 hours shift five days a week, that'd be 60 hours,

2388
03:05:34,910 --> 03:05:37,610
that'd be 60 hours times that great.

2389
03:05:38,730 --> 03:05:44,490
Whatever that was for $14.52. That's how I would calculate it.

2390
03:05:44,890 --> 03:05:49,150
Is that, does that resonate with you or is that what you're thinking or what?

2391
03:05:49,370 --> 03:05:54,050
I mean, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to understand where he's coming from,

2392
03:05:54,050 --> 03:05:59,430
relative to the fact, if we had a 12-hour shift, his comment was, how do you pay them?

2393
03:05:59,650 --> 03:06:01,410
Because it is a hourly rate.

2394
03:06:02,970 --> 03:06:09,810
So based on that comment, you said 42-72 is the rate for an individual working 29-12.

2395
03:06:11,130 --> 03:06:11,270
Right?

2396
03:06:11,910 --> 03:06:20,070
My interpretation of it would be that the 42-72 would be divided over there, there are hourly

2397
03:06:20,070 --> 03:06:25,070
that we divide over the hours for a week for the year?

2398
03:06:25,390 --> 03:06:25,930
What should we do?

2399
03:06:26,270 --> 03:06:28,390
So if they were working a 40 hour week,

2400
03:06:28,970 --> 03:06:30,270
which is 20, 80 per year,

2401
03:06:31,070 --> 03:06:34,550
then the 40 team would be at the $20 rate.

2402
03:06:34,770 --> 03:06:35,370
There's 40 hours?

2403
03:06:36,290 --> 03:06:39,370
All right, I see the confusion now.

2404
03:06:41,960 --> 03:06:42,120
Yeah.

2405
03:06:43,960 --> 03:06:46,500
The point I don't want to use making I believe

2406
03:06:46,500 --> 03:06:50,200
is that I asked what the firefighter

2407
03:06:50,200 --> 03:06:52,940
What would be the number of hours of individual

2408
03:06:52,940 --> 03:06:55,580
being working during the course of the year?

2409
03:06:55,760 --> 03:06:57,480
The answer was 29-12.

2410
03:06:58,980 --> 03:07:01,280
If I had an individual, say, of carols

2411
03:07:01,280 --> 03:07:04,560
that individual I hired to come in for 12-hour shifts

2412
03:07:04,560 --> 03:07:06,700
five days a week, hypothetically,

2413
03:07:07,420 --> 03:07:09,420
to be a firefighter, paramedic,

2414
03:07:09,620 --> 03:07:15,580
I would pay him $14.52 an hour to work those 60 hours.

2415
03:07:16,240 --> 03:07:24,940
because he, that specific classification, works 29-12, an award-2080, a normal person who

2416
03:07:24,940 --> 03:07:29,980
worked 29-12, and that's, that's come, that's where I'm at on this, that's, that's, that's,

2417
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:33,660
I think that's where he was asking the questions, at least I thought that's what he was.

2418
03:07:34,200 --> 03:07:39,240
I may be all based, but as the reason I asked, what was the baseline of the Firefighter of Pyramid?

2419
03:07:40,280 --> 03:07:43,260
So if you go down to the Firefighter EMT, what's the baseline on that?

2420
03:07:43,260 --> 03:07:44,740
That's that 29-12 or 28.

2421
03:07:46,240 --> 03:07:49,940
Everybody on the job right now, I'm 27, and you can be in the staff, we're just 29-12.

2422
03:07:50,500 --> 03:07:50,700
And the

2423
03:07:52,910 --> 03:07:55,890
reason I asked that question was the government,

2424
03:07:56,170 --> 03:07:59,510
I'm going to catch some discussion about, you know,

2425
03:07:59,570 --> 03:08:02,530
stabbing different kinds of shows for volumes,

2426
03:08:04,690 --> 03:08:06,250
the comment had been made multiple times

2427
03:08:06,250 --> 03:08:08,870
that we'd had to pay them the same thing

2428
03:08:08,870 --> 03:08:10,670
if we paid somebody to hire it.

2429
03:08:10,870 --> 03:08:11,890
24 hours a day.

2430
03:08:12,630 --> 03:08:16,510
200 or about, times for $200,000 to our view.

2431
03:08:20,020 --> 03:08:20,580
Is that right?

2432
03:08:21,260 --> 03:08:22,240
And that's your attention.

2433
03:08:22,340 --> 03:08:23,980
That's what you're taking.

2434
03:08:28,540 --> 03:08:31,140
Probably a lot of this could have been avoided.

2435
03:08:31,680 --> 03:08:41,020
If years ago the contract had said something like the base range would be 42, whatever

2436
03:08:41,020 --> 03:08:49,020
it is, based upon a standard 29, 12 working schedule to make it clear that it really is an

2437
03:08:49,020 --> 03:08:53,420
hourly rate, but we're giving a range for advancement and steps and all of that.

2438
03:08:53,420 --> 03:08:59,100
I don't think anyone reasonable would say if someone for whatever reason could only work

2439
03:08:59,100 --> 03:09:04,860
three hours a day is going to get under the dollars an hour in order to make a 42 minimum.

2440
03:09:05,420 --> 03:09:10,100
So at that extreme I think everyone agrees that it's an hourly, but I think what I'm

2441
03:09:10,100 --> 03:09:17,720
interpreting the chief to say is you have to try to reconcile this minimum wage with this hourly

2442
03:09:17,720 --> 03:09:24,520
concept and if it became a leverage point it would become an issue arguing for that in order

2443
03:09:24,520 --> 03:09:28,700
to prevent a 12-hour employee, which is taking away management rights.

2444
03:09:29,200 --> 03:09:34,720
Which comes full circle of what I was saying earlier, and that is if it's something that

2445
03:09:34,720 --> 03:09:41,400
just needs a clarification, what is the rush to the contract signing, if you could work

2446
03:09:41,400 --> 03:09:47,260
these questions with a few more meetings with labor.

2447
03:09:48,020 --> 03:09:53,540
It just seems like if management, if you the board, truly want to have

2448
03:09:53,540 --> 03:09:58,560
the flexibility of a 12-hour schedule or certain employees on a 12-hour schedule,

2449
03:09:59,620 --> 03:10:04,520
shouldn't you work out what that true interpretation is and have an agreement with the

2450
03:10:04,520 --> 03:10:07,600
bargaining unit before rather than after you sign a contract?

2451
03:10:08,940 --> 03:10:17,480
Now, if the majority doesn't find that a particularly important issue, well then there's no point in delaying, you know, signing the contract.

2452
03:10:17,480 --> 03:10:28,710
I want to suggest to be the anti-contract since we would place somebody on the white duty based on the 180 hours of monthly file for here, because that's what it said.

2453
03:10:29,290 --> 03:10:35,170
So if I'm on the white duty and can't work before the hours, I'd still be paid for 50 cents.

2454
03:10:35,470 --> 03:10:36,690
Contract says that.

2455
03:10:37,150 --> 03:10:41,050
But no one's ever pushed that issue to this point.

2456
03:10:42,910 --> 03:10:50,090
And I'm looking at the time, and I've asked these questions before we got to this meeting about that.

2457
03:10:50,430 --> 03:10:59,330
It's obvious that over the years it has been interpreted that 2080, we only used 2080 for like that.

2458
03:11:00,150 --> 03:11:09,170
So that would mean that I get paid $20 now rather than working, because my pay really is based on 56 hours away.

2459
03:11:13,010 --> 03:11:22,890
But if I'm a liability, I don't get paid an hourly rate that 29, 12 times a hourly rate, I get paid

2460
03:11:22,890 --> 03:11:25,090
280 times the elderly.

2461
03:11:26,610 --> 03:11:30,650
So in the contract, it's perfect, it's exactly what the chief of the Senate.

2462
03:11:35,580 --> 03:11:44,590
If I make my brain hurts, and this is exactly the reason why much smarter people than I

2463
03:11:44,590 --> 03:11:49,890
have decided to invest in for a fire rescue, which is unlike any other type of business.

2464
03:11:50,330 --> 03:11:53,710
That's why they work. That's why they adopted the 24-hour work schedule.

2465
03:11:53,890 --> 03:11:58,510
Because what happens is if with these part-time positions to cover workflows,

2466
03:11:58,750 --> 03:12:01,190
you have someone that gets off the ship to 24-hour shift.

2467
03:12:01,790 --> 03:12:04,330
And then who do you call back and you cover the 12-hour shift?

2468
03:12:05,090 --> 03:12:10,030
When this person just came up a 24-hour shift, the problems that you're creating

2469
03:12:10,030 --> 03:12:22,010
Our monumental, that's exactly why every single time, in most cases, it goes right back to the fact of the 12-hour shift, because of the animal that you're dealing with.

2470
03:12:22,410 --> 03:12:35,470
And when you start bringing all these formulas and adding 12 hours because of that, this is not a job where you can sit down and say, well, we're going to have 11 calls every single day between the hours of such and such and such and such and such.

2471
03:12:35,470 --> 03:12:42,510
This is a fluid operation. We have no clue. You can do statistics. You can say, well, on an average of what happens.

2472
03:12:43,130 --> 03:12:48,190
But unfortunately, invariably when you think you've got this nail down, you're going to have a situation come up,

2473
03:12:48,290 --> 03:12:51,650
you're going to have a contemplation which is more than one structure of many structures involved,

2474
03:12:52,630 --> 03:12:57,250
where you're going to have to cross people over it. Well, this one's on part-time and he's covering this twelve-hour.

2475
03:12:57,550 --> 03:13:00,650
It is going to be a logistical nightmare.

2476
03:13:00,650 --> 03:13:06,750
And that's exactly why fire departments, I would give that just a 95% of the fire departments.

2477
03:13:06,790 --> 03:13:11,610
There's some little podium counting, you know, what's had no population and it uses mostly volunteers.

2478
03:13:12,690 --> 03:13:20,530
That's why they've gotten away from volunteers trying to cover those heavy times because volunteers are to supplement your paid departments.

2479
03:13:21,110 --> 03:13:28,710
This is a paid department with a work schedule, you need to any other job, because the idea of having to switch over personnel

2480
03:13:28,710 --> 03:13:33,450
in the middle of a day and every 12 hours to cover your busy shifts, you're not so busy

2481
03:13:33,450 --> 03:13:33,990
shifts.

2482
03:13:34,330 --> 03:13:38,470
It's busy or in November, then it is in August, believe me, when I tell you that we're

2483
03:13:38,470 --> 03:13:40,050
going to have brain damage over this.

2484
03:13:40,530 --> 03:13:44,950
And this is exactly why these individuals have worked this schedule out the way they have.

2485
03:13:45,390 --> 03:13:47,250
Because believe me, there's business question.

2486
03:13:48,170 --> 03:13:49,550
It's not the first time this has happened.

2487
03:13:49,550 --> 03:13:51,550
This has been going on for a long time.

2488
03:13:52,010 --> 03:13:57,010
And I think most departments that have dealt with this have used this schedule for a very

2489
03:13:57,010 --> 03:14:00,550
important reason, because it stops the brain damage for the most part.

2490
03:14:00,930 --> 03:14:04,610
You don't have crossover times when you've got people trying to switch over their trucks

2491
03:14:04,610 --> 03:14:06,450
or equipment, and a call comes out.

2492
03:14:06,930 --> 03:14:11,950
That was the whole purpose of a 24-hour shift, so you want to change personal and staff one

2493
03:14:11,950 --> 03:14:15,710
time during 24 hours, so that you don't have people dying on you because you're in a middle

2494
03:14:15,710 --> 03:14:18,330
of a 30-45-minute switch-over on a station.

2495
03:14:19,290 --> 03:14:20,650
This didn't happen by accident.

2496
03:14:21,290 --> 03:14:24,990
It's not, you know, we're reinventing a wheel here that has been invented a long time ago,

2497
03:14:24,990 --> 03:14:31,950
And this is why it was done this way, to make it run as efficiently as cost-effective as possible

2498
03:14:31,950 --> 03:14:34,470
without doing temporary personnel.

2499
03:14:34,690 --> 03:14:38,730
And I've heard brain and voice, NFPA did a study about 15 or 16 years ago.

2500
03:14:38,790 --> 03:14:43,370
And this is not a put down for volunteers, that it takes 10 volunteers equal 1 payment.

2501
03:14:44,490 --> 03:14:49,110
Because of the experience, the fact that they're working as a team, when you bring somebody new in,

2502
03:14:49,110 --> 03:14:53,510
Try running an NFL team when you've got 16 new players switching in an hour or so.

2503
03:14:54,350 --> 03:14:59,610
Any any sport is the same way because that's the whole idea of a team concept. That's why you have shifts.

2504
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,960
So why you have those teams that work with each other each day? And when you start swapping those personnel back and forth, trying to plug them in different spots, boy or boy, like I said, I did it for 21 years. And we tried different things. And I'm telling you, that's exactly why we went back to the way it was because that's the way it works most efficiently. And it works most cost effectively. And I think that unions don't just pull some out of the air. They look at what other counties have done. And they kind of model that after what the other unions have done successful.

2505
03:15:29,960 --> 03:15:35,400
So, you can argue this back and forth, but you can see the confusion just between us.

2506
03:15:35,700 --> 03:15:41,860
Well, you know, as I mentioned earlier before lunch, of the eight email responses,

2507
03:15:41,860 --> 03:15:48,980
that you've got six of those had staff that worked very hours for volume.

2508
03:15:50,280 --> 03:15:52,300
They're not in a mix with you 24 hours staff.

2509
03:15:52,300 --> 03:15:53,080
They're filling in.

2510
03:15:53,080 --> 03:15:56,180
They're working a regular shift with its 8 a.m.

2511
03:15:56,180 --> 03:16:02,700
the four or noon to eight, they're filling in for that volume, and yes, it's not going

2512
03:16:02,700 --> 03:16:08,380
to be that way every day, but you staffed toward that. The other option you have is

2513
03:16:08,380 --> 03:16:18,220
you just staffed and over-stab basically to cover that, let me ask you a question. So I understand

2514
03:16:18,220 --> 03:16:21,400
what you're coming from. Are you talking about if we have how many men do we currently

2515
03:16:21,400 --> 03:16:28,020
a full time. 36? 36. Are you talking about adding more staff to 36? Yes. Okay. So,

2516
03:16:28,040 --> 03:16:32,440
where do you think you're going to save money that way if you pay in the 36? I mean,

2517
03:16:32,540 --> 03:16:37,040
another eight or 10 firefighters with their medics and you have to pay them. Where are they going to

2518
03:16:37,040 --> 03:16:42,180
do on the time that we're not using? What do they do then? What's their job then? You're talking

2519
03:16:42,180 --> 03:16:47,260
about hiring somebody to work with full-time job, 40 hours a week or 50 hours a week, depending

2520
03:16:48,440 --> 03:16:50,740
And only the busy is times, that what you said.

2521
03:16:51,040 --> 03:16:51,740
But that's over there.

2522
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:56,620
You would staff it based on statistics that chief gave us, and you'd make the assumption

2523
03:16:56,620 --> 03:17:00,620
that we're going to work 11 to 7, whatever the day or hour it is, and that's what we're

2524
03:17:00,620 --> 03:17:00,900
going to work.

2525
03:17:01,120 --> 03:17:02,580
Those two people are going to be on ship.

2526
03:17:02,820 --> 03:17:05,680
It might be four people eventually if that's what it proves to be.

2527
03:17:06,680 --> 03:17:11,040
You don't have them scattered all over on the all-power of slow times.

2528
03:17:11,460 --> 03:17:12,820
You have them where your body is.

2529
03:17:13,340 --> 03:17:14,040
That's what we're talking about.

2530
03:17:14,200 --> 03:17:16,260
We're not talking about not having people.

2531
03:17:16,260 --> 03:17:21,180
And actually what we're talking about is the ability of the chief or the man to manage the department.

2532
03:17:21,620 --> 03:17:22,360
I understand what you're saying.

2533
03:17:22,480 --> 03:17:29,800
One of the reasons, one of the benefits to firefighters is the fact that they can work to 24-hour shift,

2534
03:17:30,140 --> 03:17:33,420
and they've got two days and on their days off, one to recover from the first shift,

2535
03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:36,400
and the other to either whatever way they want to watch.

2536
03:17:36,600 --> 03:17:38,140
Their kids at home with their wife's work.

2537
03:17:38,360 --> 03:17:40,000
There's a lot of different things they can do,

2538
03:17:40,440 --> 03:17:45,820
and so one of the enticements of that job when they go into it is the fact of their work schedule.

2539
03:17:45,820 --> 03:17:59,740
You know, and if you look at most jobs, when you have a starting salary, and this is with a new salary structure, of $34,000, $35,000, and you take a firefight and goes into a job in $35,000, they can't feed your family on that.

2540
03:18:00,360 --> 03:18:09,700
So one of the reasons you brought me into the fire service was I knew I loved the fire service, but it allowed me to go out and have secondary income, so I could work the job with the fire.

2541
03:18:09,700 --> 03:18:15,340
I've always said, you know, if you want to pay a firefighter 65-70,000 dollars a year to start, then that's fine.

2542
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:23,680
But that's not reality, you know, and that's why I think where this is headed is that unless you've been there and done that, it's hard to explain to people

2543
03:18:23,680 --> 03:18:31,780
that when you bring in individuals and you start changing those words schedules and try to make those words schedules when you have your quote unquote busy as times.

2544
03:18:32,080 --> 03:18:36,340
You know, I mean, that's all that's good and paper, but that's not reality for the fire service.

2545
03:18:36,340 --> 03:18:44,140
You can look at your time together, which mostly are medical calls, because that's what you're going to run at those times.

2546
03:18:44,680 --> 03:18:50,400
But what happens is when you don't have those people there on that shift and you get a structure fire where we did,

2547
03:18:50,600 --> 03:18:57,460
where we had the silos, where we had more people from outside this county, working that fire than we had that were employed by this county.

2548
03:18:58,000 --> 03:18:59,920
That's the kind of thing you end up with.

2549
03:18:59,920 --> 03:19:15,820
And that's the part that concerns me is are we going to have enough staff, you know, to handle those situations where you don't have to bring in part time people, because part time people, like I said, that's a natural autistic than it and a VA in.

2550
03:19:16,140 --> 03:19:27,040
And that was their guidelines not the fire department, so, you know, it says like anything else, you know, you're setting up a policy, you're setting up a structure, employment structure.

2551
03:19:27,040 --> 03:19:30,060
that's been tried, tested, and proven over,

2552
03:19:30,080 --> 03:19:31,600
that I don't know, 70 years, 80 years,

2553
03:19:32,500 --> 03:19:34,140
and that's what, that's the best thing they came up

2554
03:19:34,140 --> 03:19:38,480
with the best serve and respond to all calls when you were needed.

2555
03:19:38,860 --> 03:19:39,880
And the Faraday Department is different

2556
03:19:39,880 --> 03:19:42,940
because you only respond when you're called, when you need it.

2557
03:19:43,000 --> 03:19:45,880
Unlike if you work at Windick Sea and your bag and girls resolve it,

2558
03:19:45,940 --> 03:19:49,200
it's a different whole different, and that's the hardest thing,

2559
03:19:49,480 --> 03:19:52,340
and I know it's hard to explain to people that have never been involved

2560
03:19:52,340 --> 03:19:55,240
in the Faraday Service, and it is, it's complicated.

2561
03:19:55,240 --> 03:20:00,720
and it's complicated explain that to somebody, but but I see it work and I try to see

2562
03:20:00,720 --> 03:20:05,180
different things you know implemented and ultimately it's a failure. It doesn't work

2563
03:20:05,180 --> 03:20:14,020
and they come right back to the 24-hour shift. Chief, outside of the shift work that we just went through,

2564
03:20:17,360 --> 03:20:23,220
I gotta say I probably missed this myself so I'll hold my hand. Why would I face my own light

2565
03:20:23,220 --> 03:20:32,420
at a 40-hour rate, if the person was an individual who was making a 20, let me just put it

2566
03:20:32,420 --> 03:20:39,260
this way, why are we using 20 hours for a light duty rate and not the same rate the individual

2567
03:20:39,260 --> 03:20:46,780
makes on a normal day basis? I'm confused on that. I'm sorry, I probably missed this myself,

2568
03:20:47,120 --> 03:20:48,460
so I'm going to back up.

2569
03:20:48,460 --> 03:20:56,520
I did too to hear that was my question so the same thing they make a higher pet this is why I'm sitting here telling you this is

2570
03:20:57,040 --> 03:20:58,100
You have to determine

2571
03:20:58,680 --> 03:21:03,260
Where's the base and this is not at all to argue with you chair. I'm I'm just saying

2572
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:06,760
That it's either the bases either

2573
03:21:06,760 --> 03:21:12,240
42 to 72 is your number or the basis some hourly rate and maybe we're saying the same thing

2574
03:21:12,240 --> 03:21:23,180
I think we're right right and so and the hourly rate in time some hours is why the schedule in the Union contract says 42272 so is the hourly

2575
03:21:23,180 --> 03:21:26,930
hourly rate really a 20 dollar and 32 cents hourly rate and if it is

2576
03:21:28,060 --> 03:21:37,650
there at the 28 you know if it is there then over time on top of that somehow some averages come up over the years to get to you to where we're out today

2577
03:21:37,650 --> 03:21:44,790
But I think the whole reason is that the assumption is that the 42, 272, I'm just using that for the

2578
03:21:44,790 --> 03:21:55,650
Paramix as an example we've been talking, that the base pay is the that dollar amount, and so if you change it to

2579
03:21:55,650 --> 03:22:02,070
Okay, you're only 40 hours and you're gonna get paid the $20 dollar an hour for it so that your base pay is always the same

2580
03:22:04,250 --> 03:22:06,270
I see what you did

2581
03:22:06,270 --> 03:22:10,430
I mean, not you personally, but I understand what you're telling me.

2582
03:22:11,370 --> 03:22:14,270
It's just to me, I want to light duty a person.

2583
03:22:15,910 --> 03:22:19,670
His salary should be based on the same base hours

2584
03:22:19,670 --> 03:22:22,290
that his salary has been based upon.

2585
03:22:22,750 --> 03:22:23,150
There's paper.

2586
03:22:23,690 --> 03:22:28,950
I mean, just from where I come from.

2587
03:22:29,210 --> 03:22:29,910
Okay, let's clear that way.

2588
03:22:30,340 --> 03:22:40,560
If it was, if it is, if that rate for that, fireman, paramedic, of a way it was, it's $42,000, $274,000, and it's a

2589
03:22:40,560 --> 03:22:46,480
chief articulate a few minutes ago that that's based on an individual work in 2912.

2590
03:22:47,680 --> 03:22:54,580
Then I would assume that if he was on he or she was on light duty, their base rate would be 2912.

2591
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:56,060
They're hourly rate.

2592
03:22:57,300 --> 03:23:02,420
to the hour late to stay the same, even though they get only working eight hours instead of 24.

2593
03:23:04,180 --> 03:23:04,640
That's logical.

2594
03:23:05,440 --> 03:23:06,300
It's light duty.

2595
03:23:07,880 --> 03:23:10,300
I mean, that's the same hour, right?

2596
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:16,520
But I'm just trying to calculate here.

2597
03:23:17,060 --> 03:23:18,760
So person is on light duty.

2598
03:23:19,580 --> 03:23:24,700
Are you saying that you're guaranteed, let's say, I'm the firefighter?

2599
03:23:24,700 --> 03:23:27,280
And I'm trying to understand it, so I'm not arguing with this.

2600
03:23:27,340 --> 03:23:33,560
I'm the firefighter, and you're telling me that I'm guaranteed $42,274 per year.

2601
03:23:35,300 --> 03:23:36,260
$42,274.

2602
03:23:36,380 --> 03:23:36,720
Correct.

2603
03:23:37,280 --> 03:23:40,140
If you work the 2009 or 12 hours, yes.

2604
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:41,160
But if I'm...

2605
03:23:41,160 --> 03:23:47,140
But it's more than that, I mean, that's just the base plus you've got to add in the overtime

2606
03:23:47,140 --> 03:23:47,560
automatically.

2607
03:23:47,840 --> 03:23:53,200
Not just somebody, so if I go, so I've seen where you're at right now about the light

2608
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:53,460
duty.

2609
03:23:53,460 --> 03:24:06,820
So if I go like duty for a year, I'm going to be based, you're going to based my hourly rate or my hours on based on 28 in order for me to make the 42 to 74, that's how you did.

2610
03:24:07,180 --> 03:24:08,880
That's all right.

2611
03:24:11,340 --> 03:24:16,160
That's assuming that the person that is on like duty for a year.

2612
03:24:16,160 --> 03:24:18,760
It's going like this for a week.

2613
03:24:19,380 --> 03:24:19,800
No, no.

2614
03:24:22,400 --> 03:24:28,160
It's assuming at the end of the day that that individual is going to make at the end

2615
03:24:28,160 --> 03:24:36,420
of the year, his or her base salary is 42 to 74 in order to make sure that that person

2616
03:24:36,420 --> 03:24:39,640
says like duty for 30 days.

2617
03:24:41,220 --> 03:24:47,420
It's automatically going to change over to be divided on by 2080, so his hourly rate is higher,

2618
03:24:47,420 --> 03:24:51,840
So he or she maintains the baseline sour.

2619
03:24:52,000 --> 03:24:53,120
Right, that's the objective.

2620
03:24:53,220 --> 03:24:56,880
And that's what I'm trying to help us all understand is you have to have some base.

2621
03:24:56,880 --> 03:24:57,800
What is the baseline?

2622
03:24:58,080 --> 03:24:59,700
Is it the hours or is it the dollars?

2623
03:25:00,500 --> 03:25:03,740
And you know, I know the term I keep saying hourly rate, but I've got to multiply that out

2624
03:25:03,740 --> 03:25:05,960
to buy something to have some idea.

2625
03:25:06,120 --> 03:25:08,080
How does that compare to everyone else?

2626
03:25:08,540 --> 03:25:09,440
I understand what you did.

2627
03:25:10,200 --> 03:25:16,350
And so I understand that the fact really means that the pay rate, they get the right.

2628
03:25:16,350 --> 03:25:21,990
pay rate, the base pay rate for an individual line that's starting off is 42 to 74.

2629
03:25:22,790 --> 03:25:31,890
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that individual is based on 42 to 74.

2630
03:25:32,470 --> 03:25:40,010
If that individual happens to get hurt during the course of the year, and he or she is out 30 days,

2631
03:25:41,150 --> 03:25:46,210
they're going to make sure that they still make that 42 to 74 by

2632
03:25:46,210 --> 03:25:49,570
change the calculation to 28 for that 30 days.

2633
03:25:50,850 --> 03:25:52,570
So that's what I'm saying, the base is 40 days.

2634
03:25:52,570 --> 03:25:54,090
The base is 42 days, so.

2635
03:25:54,770 --> 03:25:56,690
So if that's the base, then it doesn't matter.

2636
03:25:56,770 --> 03:25:57,910
And that was my first response.

2637
03:25:58,130 --> 03:26:02,110
It doesn't matter what the base is based on an hourly rate.

2638
03:26:02,910 --> 03:26:06,150
You're dealing with hourly paid positions.

2639
03:26:06,190 --> 03:26:07,710
You're not based on the salary.

2640
03:26:10,160 --> 03:26:15,760
So the base is a calculation of 29, 12 times an hourly rate.

2641
03:26:16,460 --> 03:26:16,760
Right.

2642
03:26:16,760 --> 03:26:25,960
I don't disagree with your assumption. That is one way to assume correct. The other way to assume is that

2643
03:26:26,340 --> 03:26:29,700
No matter what hours they work, they would always make 42 to 72.

2644
03:26:31,220 --> 03:26:33,080
And then you change them to a salary person.

2645
03:26:33,540 --> 03:26:33,620
Right.

2646
03:26:36,740 --> 03:26:38,680
Okay. Let me ask a question.

2647
03:26:39,900 --> 03:26:47,540
Okay, light duty means that this person is going to make the same salary that he did before he got injured.

2648
03:26:47,540 --> 03:26:51,060
but he can't do half the job.

2649
03:26:51,660 --> 03:26:54,140
Right, he will have a lot of duties assigned to him to.

2650
03:26:54,140 --> 03:26:58,780
Right, but still is not doing his $20 an hour job.

2651
03:26:58,980 --> 03:26:59,540
He can't go.

2652
03:26:59,780 --> 03:27:01,300
And I don't mean anything about this.

2653
03:27:01,520 --> 03:27:02,800
I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

2654
03:27:02,820 --> 03:27:02,940
That's true.

2655
03:27:04,900 --> 03:27:10,020
No matter what they do, if they come back to work and they can't do their full job,

2656
03:27:10,020 --> 03:27:12,580
they're still being paid the same doubt rate,

2657
03:27:12,800 --> 03:27:16,160
hourly rate to do that the other duties they can do.

2658
03:27:17,540 --> 03:27:19,440
You should probably just pay them any different.

2659
03:27:19,800 --> 03:27:21,600
I don't think they changed the word in the yearly rating.

2660
03:27:22,120 --> 03:27:22,980
Because that's what it is.

2661
03:27:23,020 --> 03:27:26,280
It's 42, 2, 74 is a yearly rating of the individual.

2662
03:27:27,040 --> 03:27:35,540
Well, one of the theories behind the light duty is if you have a person that does say to get injured off duty, they broke a light.

2663
03:27:36,280 --> 03:27:37,380
They have one or two options.

2664
03:27:37,720 --> 03:27:44,560
They can, if they are acceptable and medically cleared, and we have a position to use them in,

2665
03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:50,600
We can bring them in on the 40-hour weekend, get some productivity out of them, whether it's

2666
03:27:50,600 --> 03:27:55,120
doing pre-plants or whether it's doing some kind of administrative function, teaching

2667
03:27:55,120 --> 03:27:59,300
whatever it is, versus paying on their full salary to sit at home.

2668
03:27:59,860 --> 03:28:05,800
Now, you gotta keep in mind that when they come in on a 40-hour week, they're making the

2669
03:28:05,800 --> 03:28:12,880
same yearly salary, but all of the other things associated with the 29-12, all the built-in

2670
03:28:12,880 --> 03:28:19,420
required over time and all that goes away. So in theory someone working for 40 hour a week

2671
03:28:19,420 --> 03:28:25,200
for one year would make less money than a firefighter parent meeting working 29-12.

2672
03:28:26,180 --> 03:28:34,100
And I don't disagree if you're using an hourly rate of $14.32 or 52 cents. I understand

2673
03:28:34,100 --> 03:28:41,080
why it's why philosophically it changed and it's almost at this point as what Margaret was

2674
03:28:41,080 --> 03:28:47,500
say I think is that you can come in light do you make more money on an hourly rate than you

2675
03:28:47,500 --> 03:28:52,180
are if you were working. But the function isn't about the hourly rate. The function is

2676
03:28:52,180 --> 03:28:59,300
about the yearly rate which is 42,274 which is the base rate. So you can cut this 9 ways

2677
03:28:59,300 --> 03:29:09,460
to Sunday but if I'm out 2 months on disability, the objective here is I'm going to make 42,274

2678
03:29:09,460 --> 03:29:11,100
one way or the other.

2679
03:29:13,490 --> 03:29:18,070
And I may sit, if I sit at home on light duty or excuse me, if

2680
03:29:18,070 --> 03:29:26,670
I sit at home, I'm still making 42 to 74. If I come in on light duty for those 60 days, I

2681
03:29:26,670 --> 03:29:33,510
work safer example for a light duty. I'm going to make the base pay or the base core

2682
03:29:33,510 --> 03:29:39,690
and core will make $20, the 32 cents an hour. So that at the end of the year, my W2

2683
03:29:39,690 --> 03:29:46,650
almost say 42,000 274. That's all this is or whatever it is. Remember the show?

2684
03:29:46,950 --> 03:29:50,290
Can I ask the question? It's because I've never been involved with

2685
03:29:50,290 --> 03:29:55,350
a Spartans' coffin all but I do have people but I talk to them and I say well I can't

2686
03:29:55,350 --> 03:29:59,970
make ends meet because they get injured on the job but they're only drawing six.

2687
03:30:01,700 --> 03:30:15,620
So if we're to support must come into our play with our employees, not just five fathers, but if they pay a piece of the salary and then the employee can use their time to make up the difference.

2688
03:30:16,940 --> 03:30:20,140
Right, but I'm just saying we don't have to have them on my duty.

2689
03:30:20,140 --> 03:30:30,760
don't have to, but we, it's workers' comp believes that if you put an employee back to work, it increases their ability to return on a timely basis.

2690
03:30:31,220 --> 03:30:36,440
But if you leave them out and give them nothing else to do, they sit home, they tend to not want to come back.

2691
03:30:38,290 --> 03:30:40,450
So they encourage us to have a light duty program.

2692
03:30:40,450 --> 03:30:41,250
Oh,

2693
03:30:43,590 --> 03:30:50,270
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm trying to understand, a light duty and a

2694
03:30:50,270 --> 03:30:54,430
sitting at a desk, if you're able to do that all day, this, I can see if when you

2695
03:30:54,430 --> 03:30:56,790
get your salary, but I don't know.

2696
03:31:02,600 --> 03:31:06,160
The reason I use that example, because I think that support

2697
03:31:06,160 --> 03:31:09,980
achieves interpretation of what you have to pay somebody that works

2698
03:31:09,980 --> 03:31:11,980
something other than a 24-hour shift.

2699
03:31:12,760 --> 03:31:14,560
That's why I use it.

2700
03:31:14,560 --> 03:31:21,440
and that tends to support his interpretation of the agreement that if you had somebody

2701
03:31:21,440 --> 03:31:28,980
work eight hour shifts five days a week, 40 hours for surge, high volume, whatever,

2702
03:31:29,600 --> 03:31:33,560
then you would have to pay them $20 an hour.

2703
03:31:35,480 --> 03:31:39,620
That's what I say, that's the reason I brought it up, because I think that supports

2704
03:31:39,620 --> 03:31:41,180
the chief's interpretation,

2705
03:31:43,710 --> 03:31:46,990
may be incorrect, but I think that's why, you know, that's what is

2706
03:31:46,990 --> 03:31:51,910
a peer looking at what are tampering to, you know, why would you do that?

2707
03:31:52,550 --> 03:31:56,090
Obviously, we're not calculating the light that you've based on the hour and a ray, we're

2708
03:31:56,090 --> 03:32:00,350
based on it on some calculation other than the hour and a ray.

2709
03:32:01,470 --> 03:32:07,270
But sure, one thing is confusing me on this, you know, in office sector, light duty is

2710
03:32:07,270 --> 03:32:12,850
same hours everyone else is working but perhaps a job that is less strenuous they can work

2711
03:32:12,850 --> 03:32:18,190
at a desk as opposed to on a ladder. But are you talking about light duty in the context

2712
03:32:18,190 --> 03:32:25,030
of firefighting to be not only a light or physical duty but a light or number of hours as well.

2713
03:32:25,290 --> 03:32:30,230
Because if the person was at the desk for their entire shift like everyone else for the 29,

2714
03:32:30,230 --> 03:32:34,210
And you know, 29-12, well, then the hourly rate wouldn't

2715
03:32:34,210 --> 03:32:34,570
show you.

2716
03:32:34,570 --> 03:32:38,110
And that's what I didn't understand.

2717
03:32:38,750 --> 03:32:38,770
Yeah.

2718
03:32:38,770 --> 03:32:43,090
So they actually lessen the hours as well as lessen the due to it.

2719
03:32:43,310 --> 03:32:44,310
How kind of that 40 hours?

2720
03:32:44,630 --> 03:32:44,910
Gotcha.

2721
03:32:45,830 --> 03:32:48,490
But the point of it was, this is at the end of the year.

2722
03:32:49,710 --> 03:32:50,650
You're going to make 40,000.

2723
03:32:50,750 --> 03:32:52,310
42,000 to 74.

2724
03:32:52,550 --> 03:32:55,050
That's all they're trying to do is make it the end of the year.

2725
03:32:55,230 --> 03:32:56,010
It's a yearly rate.

2726
03:32:56,250 --> 03:32:56,890
That's it.

2727
03:32:56,890 --> 03:33:20,270
It doesn't make one difference what you do between A and Z. At the end of Z, you're going to make 42 to 74, and in the contract what they've done, if I'm not mistaken, is in order for light duty, if the person's on light duty, and order for them to make the right amount of money at the end of the year, they use the 28 calculation.

2728
03:33:21,690 --> 03:33:28,430
So, which increases the hourly rate, which increases the hourly rate, if you were assuming there was an hourly rate to start with.

2729
03:33:30,320 --> 03:33:37,400
I'm not assuming it's an hourly rate here, I'm assuming there's a yearly rate, and the yearly rate is 42,000 to 74.

2730
03:33:38,180 --> 03:33:49,160
But your assumption would mean that I could not hire somebody for eight hours a day, but there's a week, without paying them, the day for eight or 1450, I'd have to pay them a base rate of 22,000.

2731
03:33:51,180 --> 03:34:00,960
Well, actually, your hourly rate is a fiction that appears to be used just for over time in that type of thing, because you've got to get to not always get much stamps.

2732
03:34:01,480 --> 03:34:02,160
What does that mean?

2733
03:34:02,160 --> 03:34:04,620
Just 3% of what?

2734
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:07,080
Based on the base pay range.

2735
03:34:07,680 --> 03:34:10,440
So we still have 3% to the base pay range.

2736
03:34:10,800 --> 03:34:12,580
And then that extent doesn't lose weight.

2737
03:34:13,180 --> 03:34:16,820
It's not, you know, when you calculate hourly rate based on them of the large works.

2738
03:34:16,820 --> 03:34:24,720
But I would say that the base assumption is that the pay is going to be the base pay of that range

2739
03:34:26,220 --> 03:34:31,240
That is and then you decide okay that after that you have you divided by the number of officers works

2740
03:34:32,420 --> 03:34:34,300
That's how I say you've got to come to an assumption

2741
03:34:35,900 --> 03:34:39,240
You can't come to an assumption you have to come to an agreement or what it means

2742
03:34:40,560 --> 03:34:43,580
Okay, you just have to assume that I'm saying that that's fine

2743
03:34:43,580 --> 03:34:47,080
Now, there's a difference between an assumption and a grammar, because my interpretation

2744
03:34:47,080 --> 03:34:49,280
is different from choice, she is, we can't agree.

2745
03:34:51,380 --> 03:34:51,640
Okay.

2746
03:34:52,380 --> 03:34:57,280
You can ask him, you just want to add, this is an interesting, in my play, because I know where

2747
03:34:57,280 --> 03:34:57,820
you're going.

2748
03:34:58,880 --> 03:35:03,500
But if you're doing half the word, as you get half the salary, what do you do with a female firefighter

2749
03:35:03,500 --> 03:35:04,340
when she gets pregnant?

2750
03:35:04,760 --> 03:35:05,760
How do you handle that?

2751
03:35:06,220 --> 03:35:10,160
I know it's as part of FMLA, it enters into that, but I mean, you're going to pay her because

2752
03:35:10,160 --> 03:35:11,620
She's pregnant and can't do the full job.

2753
03:35:11,720 --> 03:35:12,800
You're going to cut her salary down.

2754
03:35:13,500 --> 03:35:13,660
Yeah.

2755
03:35:13,660 --> 03:35:17,140
The likelihood of policy is the part of life.

2756
03:35:19,020 --> 03:35:20,020
That's what I said.

2757
03:35:20,320 --> 03:35:22,700
There's so many variables to this.

2758
03:35:23,160 --> 03:35:24,900
And this is exactly what I was talking about.

2759
03:35:24,940 --> 03:35:29,320
When you start trying to bring in Chris Cross over back and forth outside down, this one

2760
03:35:29,320 --> 03:35:34,420
and bring this one in part up, you're creating a nightmare for administration, you're creating

2761
03:35:34,420 --> 03:35:37,580
a nightmare to try to track where this is all going.

2762
03:35:37,800 --> 03:35:39,060
And I think that's the whole idea.

2763
03:35:39,060 --> 03:35:44,580
is that if you put somebody goes out, you know, and it's much better, like Robby just said,

2764
03:35:45,040 --> 03:35:49,520
they're, when they're working, doing a job that they're not trained to do, Secretary

2765
03:35:49,520 --> 03:35:53,080
of Work, they want to get back through it, they're regular job, and I think it's an incentive

2766
03:35:53,680 --> 03:35:56,240
for them to get back to their regular job as quickly as possible.

2767
03:35:56,320 --> 03:35:59,320
I think, you know, workers come, believes that as well.

2768
03:35:59,860 --> 03:36:01,140
So this is the whole plan I'm making.

2769
03:36:01,320 --> 03:36:06,240
I mean, we can sit here for the next five hours and discuss hypotheticals, you know, and

2770
03:36:06,240 --> 03:36:07,200
there's a million of them out there.

2771
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:08,300
I'm just trying to do.

2772
03:36:08,860 --> 03:36:09,100
Exactly.

2773
03:36:09,580 --> 03:36:11,180
I don't know.

2774
03:36:11,740 --> 03:36:11,960
I don't know.

2775
03:36:12,180 --> 03:36:12,620
I can't.

2776
03:36:13,500 --> 03:36:14,200
You're a person.

2777
03:36:15,100 --> 03:36:16,760
We're bringing that to the interpretation.

2778
03:36:17,280 --> 03:36:18,040
I'm just going to tell him.

2779
03:36:19,220 --> 03:36:20,120
Ask this question.

2780
03:36:21,360 --> 03:36:23,840
Okay, Rob, you make a salary.

2781
03:36:25,120 --> 03:36:25,960
But do you make an eye?

2782
03:36:26,100 --> 03:36:27,340
Is it nice on an hourly wage?

2783
03:36:27,360 --> 03:36:28,500
I'm taking it on an hourly.

2784
03:36:28,960 --> 03:36:29,400
Yes.

2785
03:36:29,460 --> 03:36:30,540
We can't just divide it.

2786
03:36:30,580 --> 03:36:31,740
That's just for payroll purposes.

2787
03:36:32,260 --> 03:36:33,700
That's just for payroll purposes.

2788
03:36:34,020 --> 03:36:34,400
Okay.

2789
03:36:34,400 --> 03:36:35,080
But

2790
03:36:37,550 --> 03:36:42,450
she's going to make X number of dollars an hour.

2791
03:36:43,090 --> 03:36:50,130
She makes the same amount of money whether she works 80 hours a week, 20 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, 40 weeks a week.

2792
03:36:50,970 --> 03:36:53,170
She makes the same amount of money.

2793
03:36:53,310 --> 03:36:56,630
She doesn't have to work, she makes the same amount of money.

2794
03:36:57,670 --> 03:36:58,950
But that's a salary.

2795
03:36:59,650 --> 03:37:01,230
That's a salary and paid overtime.

2796
03:37:02,250 --> 03:37:03,030
And that's what I'm saying.

2797
03:37:03,270 --> 03:37:05,070
So do you consider the salary or...

2798
03:37:06,190 --> 03:37:11,930
There are how we pay because they don't meet so great criteria, correct in the form.

2799
03:37:12,050 --> 03:37:18,770
But if you don't have a base salary, you don't have a base salary.

2800
03:37:18,790 --> 03:37:20,990
It's not a base salary, that's what they keep saying.

2801
03:37:21,190 --> 03:37:23,590
You have a yearly range. You have a yearly range.

2802
03:37:23,590 --> 03:37:26,170
It's great. It's going to make that.

2803
03:37:27,250 --> 03:37:27,390
Right.

2804
03:37:27,790 --> 03:37:28,890
Probably we should have a base.

2805
03:37:29,070 --> 03:37:29,890
So just look at it.

2806
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:44,840
This simple math, I mean, we've got to come to agreements about where the base understanding is, is that the hourly rate, or is that the annual dollar mouth, they're going to make in a year. It's one of those two things, because the hours is what they have to take it by.

2807
03:37:44,840 --> 03:37:49,240
But he's not there, but not there, Robby, because if they don't work, they don't get paid.

2808
03:37:50,960 --> 03:37:51,600
No, I'm really.

2809
03:37:51,600 --> 03:37:54,120
If a firefighter does not, that's what you were saying.

2810
03:37:54,440 --> 03:37:58,540
If a firefighter does not work, they don't get paid.

2811
03:37:58,980 --> 03:37:59,940
They don't.

2812
03:38:00,200 --> 03:38:01,840
They get paid by the hour work.

2813
03:38:02,240 --> 03:38:06,360
So it can't be a base salary because they don't, they're not guaranteed.

2814
03:38:06,360 --> 03:38:08,040
They're not guaranteed to the base salary.

2815
03:38:08,540 --> 03:38:12,000
I said it was an annual dollar amount you want them to earn.

2816
03:38:12,740 --> 03:38:13,540
It works the other way.

2817
03:38:13,540 --> 03:38:16,840
I mean, the numbers that you see here is a pay range.

2818
03:38:17,660 --> 03:38:20,880
It says that this is the base salary when we hire you.

2819
03:38:21,140 --> 03:38:23,680
But it also tells you that this is the top of the range.

2820
03:38:24,340 --> 03:38:27,180
So it tells you that if you work here X number of years,

2821
03:38:28,100 --> 03:38:30,760
once you go through your merits tied to your evaluation,

2822
03:38:31,720 --> 03:38:35,340
the maximum that you're going to make is the maximum of the range.

2823
03:38:36,140 --> 03:38:40,080
So if that range is never changed in the 20 years you work here,

2824
03:38:40,400 --> 03:38:43,240
once you hit top out, you're top out, you make no money.

2825
03:38:43,240 --> 03:38:47,780
period. You know, the pay rate, but you get an annual bounce. You'll get an annual bonus

2826
03:38:47,780 --> 03:38:54,380
in front of the two, you're mere, yes. Well, we would be better off to just change the chart

2827
03:38:54,380 --> 03:39:00,240
in the contract to divide all those annualized dollars, before we'll just use the same

2828
03:39:00,240 --> 03:39:05,820
example the 42 T72, by the way, the 2912, the 2165.

2829
03:39:06,340 --> 03:39:10,920
The reason I ask that question is because the chief's interpretation of the contract

2830
03:39:10,920 --> 03:39:18,860
that it is written as it exists, you cannot hire somebody for less than 24 hours of, for

2831
03:39:18,860 --> 03:39:26,900
that person working eight hours a day, five days a week, $22 now versus how we calculated

2832
03:39:26,900 --> 03:39:30,880
everybody else at 1450, and I would suggest that's not logical and would not be fair.

2833
03:39:33,130 --> 03:39:33,410
But he can ask.

2834
03:39:33,410 --> 03:39:34,310
Because that's his interpretation.

2835
03:39:35,370 --> 03:39:36,510
I would not interpret it.

2836
03:39:36,510 --> 03:39:38,750
I would not interpret it that way.

2837
03:39:40,110 --> 03:39:46,290
Because I, it's a hourly paid position because that's how like wage and hour-long the

2838
03:39:46,290 --> 03:39:46,850
finds it.

2839
03:39:46,870 --> 03:39:47,390
I understand.

2840
03:39:48,390 --> 03:39:52,630
You could, I guess you could make a salary job, but I don't know that.

2841
03:39:52,850 --> 03:39:54,830
Because they could make, they could make enough money.

2842
03:39:54,830 --> 03:39:56,850
pressure, we could make a minimum of money, we would be sorry.

2843
03:39:58,410 --> 03:40:02,090
You could make it salary, but I think the job duties would still require an overtime.

2844
03:40:03,230 --> 03:40:04,850
Well, yeah.

2845
03:40:05,490 --> 03:40:05,570
Yeah.

2846
03:40:05,610 --> 03:40:06,230
I'm asking a question.

2847
03:40:06,370 --> 03:40:09,610
I mean, many times, I don't want to clarify this.

2848
03:40:10,770 --> 03:40:15,270
He said you hired you on a proper hour basis, and I don't have your contact in front of

2849
03:40:15,270 --> 03:40:17,830
me, but wasn't it for a certain amount per year?

2850
03:40:18,030 --> 03:40:18,330
Yes.

2851
03:40:18,550 --> 03:40:18,790
Okay.

2852
03:40:19,670 --> 03:40:24,330
But he didn't say we hired me for an hourly rate, he said for payroll purposes, I'm paid

2853
03:40:24,330 --> 03:40:26,730
by an hourly rate, that comes out to me.

2854
03:40:27,330 --> 03:40:28,010
What short?

2855
03:40:28,290 --> 03:40:32,170
A U-page compensatory time, if you were 66 hours one week?

2856
03:40:32,570 --> 03:40:35,410
No, I only get paid based on the total.

2857
03:40:35,530 --> 03:40:37,490
You get paid to $1,000, you're going to match your work.

2858
03:40:37,910 --> 03:40:38,290
Right, right.

2859
03:40:38,410 --> 03:40:40,230
And I don't get paid to $1,000 a year.

2860
03:40:41,930 --> 03:40:43,670
Maybe one of these days.

2861
03:40:44,970 --> 03:40:46,810
No, but see what I'm saying.

2862
03:40:46,990 --> 03:40:48,390
What I'm saying is extremely confusing.

2863
03:40:48,650 --> 03:40:50,690
If it's confusing to us, it's bourbon.

2864
03:40:50,690 --> 03:40:55,230
There's a map to do what the public is going through trying to figure all this out, you know?

2865
03:40:55,350 --> 03:40:56,950
That's the most difficult part to do.

2866
03:40:57,110 --> 03:40:59,150
Do we want to get the best bank, of course?

2867
03:40:59,750 --> 03:41:04,570
But the fact is, when it gets into this point of trying to, you know, go through all these, you know,

2868
03:41:05,550 --> 03:41:09,710
convoluted issues with, you know, 12 hours versus 10 hours versus 24.

2869
03:41:10,150 --> 03:41:11,510
It gives it's hard for you to follow.

2870
03:41:12,030 --> 03:41:13,010
And I lived it.

2871
03:41:13,230 --> 03:41:14,630
You know, and that's all I'm saying.

2872
03:41:14,770 --> 03:41:14,970
Right.

2873
03:41:15,050 --> 03:41:19,690
The simplicity of it is to have an hourly rate where the complication comes in

2874
03:41:19,690 --> 03:41:27,010
because of the way that the overtime is calculated, if you were to take an 80-hour or a 40-hour

2875
03:41:27,010 --> 03:41:34,590
week employee and calculate that out and literally pay the extra hours, I mean the salary

2876
03:41:34,590 --> 03:41:40,450
of the salary of the year and annual amount that person makes is far greater than the way

2877
03:41:40,450 --> 03:41:45,870
it's calculated here. And I know all that but I don't have something in writing to sit here

2878
03:41:45,870 --> 03:41:52,810
here's how this all works. So I think there's some reason that over the years they went to

2879
03:41:52,810 --> 03:41:58,970
this dollar amount in the contract because of the way that over time is paid and they

2880
03:41:58,970 --> 03:42:04,650
worked so many hours at 29. I don't know what it is. There's a point which you get paid over time at

2881
03:42:04,650 --> 03:42:11,150
the end of 28 days cycle, not only 40 days cycle, 40 days cycle, 28 days cycle, anything over 200

2882
03:42:11,150 --> 03:42:16,050
12 hours. So it's not on every.

2883
03:42:16,170 --> 03:42:17,630
Oh, I want to do to our work.

2884
03:42:18,450 --> 03:42:20,190
It's actually, oh, 56 hours.

2885
03:42:20,610 --> 03:42:20,970
56 hours.

2886
03:42:21,890 --> 03:42:24,550
It's based on the FLS and FLS,

2887
03:42:24,670 --> 03:42:28,850
and standards and a federal ruling from the Garcia ruling years ago.

2888
03:42:29,410 --> 03:42:33,170
You're what you're seeing here with the salary, the pay ranges,

2889
03:42:33,310 --> 03:42:34,550
and all that kind of stuff.

2890
03:42:34,830 --> 03:42:37,930
That is fairly consistent with fire services nationwide.

2891
03:42:37,930 --> 03:42:46,690
It pretty much tells you, yes, in early conversations, you know, you all all got copies of other departments

2892
03:42:46,690 --> 03:42:53,430
that do some of those short-staffings, during peak hours, those are very much larger departments,

2893
03:42:53,610 --> 03:43:00,310
very much larger populations, the predominance of those peak units assist because of the number

2894
03:43:00,310 --> 03:43:07,550
of hospitals and medical facilities in the area, but like I'm saying, the total provisions

2895
03:43:07,550 --> 03:43:15,910
in this contract are hurting normal contract related stuff, and I can say the salary thing

2896
03:43:15,910 --> 03:43:19,690
can go on for days. This depends on how you look at

2897
03:43:21,930 --> 03:43:21,990
it.

2898
03:43:22,130 --> 03:43:24,170
Hey Chief, listen in a bit more now.

2899
03:43:24,450 --> 03:43:28,930
Let's change gears for a second so we can get off the numbers. Really, I'm going to wrap back

2900
03:43:28,930 --> 03:43:36,790
the numbers again. But on the evaluation process here, how do they know what not meeting

2901
03:43:37,830 --> 03:43:41,550
And this contract to be clear, be clear for them to know what it is.

2902
03:43:41,910 --> 03:43:42,730
Yes, they know already.

2903
03:43:42,850 --> 03:43:49,130
Based on the evaluation form itself, each category of the evaluation has benchmarks.

2904
03:43:50,090 --> 03:43:54,390
That tells them on substandard what's standards and what's above standards.

2905
03:43:55,850 --> 03:43:58,450
And when they go through the evaluation, you don't know.

2906
03:43:59,490 --> 03:44:03,990
When you talk about here, this provision of what's not meeting standards,

2907
03:44:03,990 --> 03:44:10,410
I would submit to you that with our focus on the evaluations, the fact that employee is not

2908
03:44:10,410 --> 03:44:16,370
meeting standards is not going to be a surprise to them at evaluation time.

2909
03:44:16,730 --> 03:44:23,550
In clearly states here that they'll go into the 60-day remedial, which would be identified

2910
03:44:23,550 --> 03:44:27,770
by much staff as to what their issues are that need be corrected.

2911
03:44:28,530 --> 03:44:33,970
If they haven't met the standard in that 60 days, then they forego the merit, because remember

2912
03:44:33,970 --> 03:44:40,450
to the merit is the merit increases tied to their evaluation.

2913
03:44:41,050 --> 03:44:45,850
They don't need standards, they do not automatically get the merit.

2914
03:44:46,790 --> 03:44:52,790
And then, of course, once it goes past that 60 or 90 days of remedial,

2915
03:44:53,470 --> 03:44:59,330
then there's going to be other issues that play in and they are overall in the concerns of employability in the long run.

2916
03:45:00,050 --> 03:45:10,190
If those problems are significant enough to affect the merit for that year, then there would be significant enough that we have to address it to ensure that they are a good employee.

2917
03:45:11,630 --> 03:45:18,870
Okay, because I just see there, that was, I was looking for the note, and I got sidetracked with numbers.

2918
03:45:18,870 --> 03:45:25,030
Um, I just was sitting here looking at a sort of last night not meeting standards and it just

2919
03:45:25,030 --> 03:45:29,350
occurred to me is that there's no way that was the first time that I saw it in here.

2920
03:45:29,690 --> 03:45:32,550
And I was just wondering if they, if they understood that.

2921
03:45:32,750 --> 03:45:32,970
Yes, I do.

2922
03:45:33,330 --> 03:45:36,270
The, if the virus was very clear, what the level of the standard.

2923
03:45:36,950 --> 03:45:37,350
Okay.

2924
03:45:39,710 --> 03:45:41,630
Such a, it's said in a pay period,

2925
03:45:41,630 --> 03:45:45,890
How many hours did they work before they drove out of the time?

2926
03:45:46,530 --> 03:45:48,750
They're paid period during 28 days cycle.

2927
03:45:49,750 --> 03:45:52,410
So they work in average of 56 hours a week.

2928
03:45:53,150 --> 03:45:56,490
So at the end of the 28 days, they work 200-12 hours.

2929
03:45:57,030 --> 03:46:00,310
Anything over 2-12 is paid in the company at the overtime.

2930
03:46:01,690 --> 03:46:02,910
But should be okay.

2931
03:46:10,800 --> 03:46:14,920
I can tell you that by coming to work on the regular 24-hour schedule,

2932
03:46:15,580 --> 03:46:17,160
without working any extra overtime,

2933
03:46:17,160 --> 03:46:22,100
with how that calculates out. There's roughly 144 hours a year of overtime.

2934
03:46:25,430 --> 03:46:26,670
One forty-four reason? Yes,

2935
03:46:36,560 --> 03:46:36,660
sir.

2936
03:46:36,840 --> 03:46:38,040
I'll tell him. No, I'll tell him.

2937
03:46:38,220 --> 03:46:38,380
Very sorry.

2938
03:46:43,720 --> 03:46:44,400
Where's the board?

2939
03:47:03,890 --> 03:47:04,550
One motion.

2940
03:47:05,290 --> 03:47:05,430
One motion.

2941
03:47:06,030 --> 03:47:07,890
I'm better off to just keep not matching.

2942
03:47:08,270 --> 03:47:12,530
It becomes not being in the workfield, not having to pay a lot of employees.

2943
03:47:13,470 --> 03:47:17,430
I just didn't realize they worked that many hours before they got over time.

2944
03:47:17,430 --> 03:47:23,110
So they do, it's not like they've worked 40 hours, and then after that they get time to have.

2945
03:47:23,410 --> 03:47:25,930
So I feel better about that.

2946
03:47:26,150 --> 03:47:41,310
Like Richard Co. Edwards said, if you've never worked in the 20-hour environment, it's really hard to understand and put the two leads together between the typical 40-hour work we can, and the 24-hour shift with the 56-hour work.

2947
03:47:41,670 --> 03:47:42,530
It's actually really difficult.

2948
03:47:44,050 --> 03:47:46,830
I want to offer more time to understand it better.

2949
03:47:49,220 --> 03:47:51,900
I want to make the motion that the Board of County Commission is authorized to

2950
03:47:51,900 --> 03:47:56,780
sign and execute the recently negotiated collective bargaining agreement between the

2951
03:47:56,780 --> 03:48:00,480
OQC Board of County Commissioners and the level of 2019 of the International

2952
03:48:00,480 --> 03:48:05,800
Association of Firefighters with an effective date of July 1, 2015 to September

2953
03:48:05,800 --> 03:48:06,740
2020.

2954
03:48:07,840 --> 03:48:08,280
I'm sorry.

2955
03:48:08,460 --> 03:48:09,040
I'm sorry.

2956
03:48:09,780 --> 03:48:10,200
I'm sorry.

2957
03:48:12,080 --> 03:48:12,880
I'm in that, please.

2958
03:48:21,240 --> 03:48:23,160
Let's leave it if it is.

2959
03:48:23,300 --> 03:48:24,820
Do you allow one through safety on the 30?

2960
03:48:24,960 --> 03:48:25,640
Yes sir.

2961
03:48:26,160 --> 03:48:27,280
Have a motion by Mr. Cofer.

2962
03:48:29,240 --> 03:48:29,680
Second.

2963
03:48:31,040 --> 03:48:31,540
I'm Miss Hill.

2964
03:48:33,660 --> 03:48:34,340
Further discussion?

2965
03:48:37,860 --> 03:48:38,240
Hearing none.

2966
03:48:38,320 --> 03:48:39,900
Those are papers that I have.

2967
03:48:39,900 --> 03:48:40,360
I have.

2968
03:48:40,380 --> 03:48:41,320
If I was like sound.

2969
03:48:47,660 --> 03:48:48,240
Thank you, Chief.

2970
03:48:48,700 --> 03:48:49,240
Thank you, President.

2971
03:48:50,960 --> 03:48:51,400
Three.

2972
03:48:51,640 --> 03:48:54,060
I have budget transfer if it can make medical expanding.

2973
03:48:55,140 --> 03:48:58,680
Here, this is a rerun of the same issue.

2974
03:48:58,680 --> 03:49:06,440
they, we offered them 7,000, they countered back to me nine. I said I only have seven. She said

2975
03:49:06,440 --> 03:49:11,780
okay, we split the difference how about eight. I only transferred seven. That's a little board

2976
03:49:11,780 --> 03:49:18,920
authorized from reserves. So if we don't want to pay eight, then don't transfer these thousand dollars

2977
03:49:18,920 --> 03:49:23,880
and if you're willing to go ahead to eight thousand dollars and we'll transfer the thousand dollars from

2978
03:49:23,880 --> 03:49:26,140
or something, give that bill paid.

2979
03:49:26,860 --> 03:49:28,040
Something like, let's make it the ill.

2980
03:49:29,180 --> 03:49:31,000
I want you to make it the ill for me.

2981
03:49:31,600 --> 03:49:32,320
And we go 75.

2982
03:49:33,740 --> 03:49:35,280
So what do we have eight thousand right now?

2983
03:49:35,280 --> 03:49:35,500
Yes.

2984
03:49:35,980 --> 03:49:37,260
What's that in there today?

2985
03:49:38,220 --> 03:49:38,760
That's my understanding.

2986
03:49:38,860 --> 03:49:39,420
So what you said, Robbie?

2987
03:49:40,300 --> 03:49:41,120
They were at nine.

2988
03:49:41,320 --> 03:49:41,880
We were at seven.

2989
03:49:42,740 --> 03:49:44,140
The compromise is eight.

2990
03:49:45,820 --> 03:49:46,780
And Bill was 35?

2991
03:49:52,660 --> 03:49:53,940
It's probably good compromise.

2992
03:49:54,640 --> 03:49:55,340
That's probably good.

2993
03:49:55,700 --> 03:49:56,640
Almost 36.

2994
03:49:57,900 --> 03:50:03,400
So make a reason not to transfer more than you really wanted to, because then it comes back to you.

2995
03:50:03,840 --> 03:50:05,020
You gave for more leverage.

2996
03:50:06,160 --> 03:50:10,620
I'm legal with motion of the Board of County Commission's approved budget transfer of 15-147,

2997
03:50:10,680 --> 03:50:15,040
and not a thousand dollars from General Fund Reserves for contingencies to in-mate medical expenses,

2998
03:50:15,100 --> 03:50:19,800
greater than anticipated expenditure is within the County Administrators' authorized spending authority.

2999
03:50:19,800 --> 03:50:20,560
Thank you.

3000
03:50:21,420 --> 03:50:21,780
Second.

3001
03:50:26,350 --> 03:50:31,070
If motion seconds to be transferred additional $1,000 from deserves, and to settle it,

3002
03:50:31,090 --> 03:50:32,530
and it may be all those in favor say aye.

3003
03:50:32,730 --> 03:50:33,110
Aye.

3004
03:50:33,250 --> 03:50:34,830
I have a Black Sound motion period.

3005
03:50:36,330 --> 03:50:37,210
Policy discussion.

3006
03:50:38,250 --> 03:50:39,010
We're friendly.

3007
03:50:40,870 --> 03:50:43,210
But the preparation from deserves was contingent.

3008
03:50:45,550 --> 03:50:46,670
Have we read one of those mind?

3009
03:50:46,790 --> 03:50:47,410
Was it?

3010
03:50:47,410 --> 03:50:47,590
Was it?

3011
03:50:48,110 --> 03:50:48,510
Yes.

3012
03:50:48,810 --> 03:50:49,390
Is it you?

3013
03:50:50,690 --> 03:50:58,590
During the last budget meeting, what we've done is that we've really removed a lot of the

3014
03:50:58,590 --> 03:51:03,930
excess dollars out, I used to call it the Easter egg hunt, but it was really dollars

3015
03:51:03,930 --> 03:51:11,170
that's allocated in various locations on the line items that the staff had not used over

3016
03:51:11,170 --> 03:51:17,030
a number of years. So rather than just take all that money away and put it back, and then

3017
03:51:17,030 --> 03:51:23,210
have to come back to us if they had an emergency within a two-week period of time, I suggested

3018
03:51:23,210 --> 03:51:28,150
that maybe we could consider putting a contingency line that the county administrator would

3019
03:51:28,150 --> 03:51:32,510
have the authority to utilize based on the fact of whatever she said.

3020
03:51:32,790 --> 03:51:38,350
She saw a fit that the department had brought in a business plan or whatever it may be that

3021
03:51:38,350 --> 03:51:40,010
had a problem.

3022
03:51:42,170 --> 03:51:45,850
And I had not put a dollar amount on it, but I had thought about it

3023
03:51:45,850 --> 03:51:49,750
afterwards and I said, if there's 25,000, we put in that contingency fund,

3024
03:51:50,110 --> 03:51:54,390
that she had the responsibility to manage at the end of every two weeks, and

3025
03:51:54,390 --> 03:52:00,350
in her comments at the end of the meeting, she would bring back and say whatever

3026
03:52:00,350 --> 03:52:05,030
she utilized out of that fund. Just to prevent somebody having to come back

3027
03:52:05,030 --> 03:52:09,550
Wait two weeks for emergency expenditure that they didn't have money in their budget.

3028
03:52:12,170 --> 03:52:15,730
So this would be different than what we already did, as they already did.

3029
03:52:15,770 --> 03:52:15,910
Right.

3030
03:52:17,510 --> 03:52:20,590
Authority with reserves lies 100% with the board.

3031
03:52:25,400 --> 03:52:29,980
And based on the fact that what we have done is that we've taken a lot of this money out of each individual department.

3032
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:43,120
We had our each individual department budget. As you well, whereas we pretty much looked at each one of them, we asked them why I hadn't used their money if they didn't use their money, we took away.

3033
03:52:44,060 --> 03:52:53,980
So rather than having them to wait two weeks for something to get an approval to buy something or to get something done, I felt it.

3034
03:52:53,980 --> 03:52:59,720
appropriate to put a contingency line in her budget and have a hold her responsible.

3035
03:52:59,920 --> 03:53:05,420
She's a county administrator. We pay her extra $100 to manage this county. I think it's

3036
03:53:05,420 --> 03:53:11,340
a time that we should have paid and have let her administrator ability to manage that from that

3037
03:53:11,340 --> 03:53:16,900
lower level standpoint. We give her $25,000 on procurement policy as better already. So I don't

3038
03:53:16,900 --> 03:53:21,480
see, I don't see a problem that we don't do this. Well, I just, and I don't have a problem with it.

3039
03:53:21,480 --> 03:53:26,780
And just what basically is the difference of what we've already, the $25,000 you already have

3040
03:53:26,780 --> 03:53:27,120
robbing?

3041
03:53:27,460 --> 03:53:29,620
Yes, but it's only for those budgeted items.

3042
03:53:31,300 --> 03:53:36,000
So this would be, and what I was explaining to Mr. Bros. is this would be those situations

3043
03:53:36,000 --> 03:53:42,980
when the AC goes down, and they didn't plan for a replacement, and now they would have to

3044
03:53:42,980 --> 03:53:47,020
wait until they had sufficient dollars in their budget to take care of those replacement.

3045
03:53:47,020 --> 03:53:51,580
And as of right now, you can't do that with what we're attracted, that's what I just want to correct.

3046
03:53:51,680 --> 03:53:54,760
For instance, from Reserves, lie 100% with the board.

3047
03:53:55,380 --> 03:53:58,700
But if it's a emergency, you can do that.

3048
03:53:59,220 --> 03:54:02,640
The purchase can be done, but it can't transfer the dollars to make payment.

3049
03:54:02,820 --> 03:54:04,140
But the purchase can be done.

3050
03:54:04,840 --> 03:54:07,960
Yes, but you can't purchase something when you don't have the dollars.

3051
03:54:08,520 --> 03:54:13,020
And usually what ends up happening with finance is we don't have the line item budgeted.

3052
03:54:13,580 --> 03:54:18,960
we've been able to move money and so the purchase for an emergency is one thing if it's

3053
03:54:18,960 --> 03:54:23,180
appropriate when it's not appropriate is the problem. Would this then become an additional

3054
03:54:23,180 --> 03:54:30,800
line item and a budget as it continues to item? No I would leave it in contingencies I wouldn't

3055
03:54:30,800 --> 03:54:35,680
have a separate item but actually when I was going to add to all of this is that those items

3056
03:54:35,680 --> 03:54:40,460
would be ratified by the board but they would be along the same lines as those emergency

3057
03:54:40,460 --> 03:54:45,600
purchases but any the ability to transfer them come back and ratify the board ratify the

3058
03:54:46,320 --> 03:54:46,760
transfers.

3059
03:54:47,220 --> 03:54:50,620
The only reason I'm asking this I'm not questioning your integrity just to make sure

3060
03:54:50,620 --> 03:54:55,220
we have a system of checks and balances that we know exactly where the money is going

3061
03:54:55,220 --> 03:54:56,620
and which fund is coming out of the board.

3062
03:54:56,640 --> 03:55:00,700
Yeah that's why it has to be reported I would never want to do this without you having

3063
03:55:00,700 --> 03:55:01,440
full awareness.

3064
03:55:01,980 --> 03:55:03,320
I just want to explain it to me.

3065
03:55:03,320 --> 03:55:06,520
The difference in the two funds and how they worked and what you could purchase one of

3066
03:55:06,520 --> 03:55:10,280
I still think you would have to ratify the decision, I don't think I can just, you know,

3067
03:55:10,340 --> 03:55:10,880
I don't really do it.

3068
03:55:10,980 --> 03:55:15,040
The statute says that funds from contingencies have to be approved by the board.

3069
03:55:16,220 --> 03:55:18,260
So I did look up that.

3070
03:55:18,820 --> 03:55:22,860
I think it's $1.29, but under county budget.

3071
03:55:22,860 --> 03:55:27,380
Well, wouldn't that make a difference on how you actually, whether you put it as a line item,

3072
03:55:27,940 --> 03:55:31,960
if you put it as a line item in your administration budget, you would then have the authority

3073
03:55:31,960 --> 03:55:36,920
to do it, but good management would be you would still run it by the board.

3074
03:55:37,740 --> 03:55:38,040
Still?

3075
03:55:38,600 --> 03:55:42,780
Well, I can't even have to be a line on it.

3076
03:55:43,180 --> 03:55:43,720
It would.

3077
03:55:44,940 --> 03:55:45,420
Here's.

3078
03:55:45,420 --> 03:55:50,860
Help me with this, because my thought is this, literally we do not transfer between departments

3079
03:55:50,860 --> 03:55:52,520
and less it's from reserves.

3080
03:55:53,720 --> 03:55:58,860
So if you put it in my budget and say it's just the general operating line, and I can move those

3081
03:55:58,860 --> 03:56:02,820
dollars to another department. We typically don't move money between departments.

3082
03:56:04,900 --> 03:56:08,000
So that's a problem

3083
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:16,220
because in the fund as a whole is whether the fund level is the control, not the department or,

3084
03:56:16,660 --> 03:56:22,080
so it probably would be okay to do it from our budget into someone else's.

3085
03:56:22,080 --> 03:56:24,520
It's not like moving it to the sheriff's department.

3086
03:56:25,260 --> 03:56:28,980
Correct. I would not say a little bit of constitutional.

3087
03:56:29,900 --> 03:56:36,600
If you had a line out on your budget and road, road maintenance needs something,

3088
03:56:37,780 --> 03:56:39,060
as it works in such a different tone.

3089
03:56:39,320 --> 03:56:42,780
So each fund would have to have one, which is what I was explaining to the prisoner.

3090
03:56:43,020 --> 03:56:47,020
You couldn't just do it general fund. Each one would have to have that in order for that to work.

3091
03:56:47,880 --> 03:56:50,520
I think that complicates a whole bunch of stuff.

3092
03:56:51,160 --> 03:56:55,360
That was a true emergency so you can buy a name with money.

3093
03:56:55,820 --> 03:56:57,000
Not so you've moved it.

3094
03:56:57,180 --> 03:56:58,560
And so the purchase doesn't really happen.

3095
03:56:59,040 --> 03:57:03,240
And finance will usually tell us if there's not funding in the account to do the budget transfer.

3096
03:57:03,580 --> 03:57:05,800
I can't if I don't have it anywhere else.

3097
03:57:06,080 --> 03:57:06,580
So it has to wait.

3098
03:57:06,580 --> 03:57:15,320
But we're saying that every note all the budgets have no capital dollars in them that they couldn't use money to buy something.

3099
03:57:15,820 --> 03:57:17,000
Or do they all have to happen?

3100
03:57:17,000 --> 03:57:23,180
To tens on the timing in the year, you know, because of the thoughts about the four-year

3101
03:57:23,180 --> 03:57:28,120
averages and the reasons we'd work spending money in the past will change, they will

3102
03:57:28,120 --> 03:57:32,280
all spend money in the only way, because they'll make sure that all the projects happen

3103
03:57:32,280 --> 03:57:33,740
up front and not at the end of the year.

3104
03:57:34,460 --> 03:57:37,400
So there's going to be a change in the spending pattern for sure.

3105
03:57:41,850 --> 03:57:45,410
I would suggest that that's going backwards if you put a contingent on your advice,

3106
03:57:48,490 --> 03:57:48,950
but in

3107
03:57:48,950 --> 03:57:54,620
It sounds like that's not what you can do it, and that wasn't what I wanted to do.

3108
03:57:55,360 --> 03:57:55,740
No.

3109
03:57:56,040 --> 03:57:56,300
No.

3110
03:57:56,460 --> 03:57:56,800
It's not.

3111
03:57:56,900 --> 03:57:58,340
You can understand it.

3112
03:57:58,340 --> 03:58:01,760
I understood his thoughts about that, but he run into that problem.

3113
03:58:02,340 --> 03:58:04,200
That's why I would leave it in a reserve line.

3114
03:58:04,460 --> 03:58:07,520
I wouldn't take it, and that's why I would tell the board, you know, when it happens

3115
03:58:07,520 --> 03:58:10,240
and to ratify those decisions that were already made.

3116
03:58:11,220 --> 03:58:12,180
And that's what we did now.

3117
03:58:12,440 --> 03:58:13,300
We've done it in the past.

3118
03:58:14,120 --> 03:58:14,740
That one.

3119
03:58:15,480 --> 03:58:16,680
Ratify things after the fact.

3120
03:58:16,680 --> 03:58:20,540
No, I haven't ratified my expenditure yet, no.

3121
03:58:20,660 --> 03:58:25,940
I really try not to, I mean, I really would rather you're approval to do something before I did it.

3122
03:58:26,680 --> 03:58:36,400
But, you know, I'm willing to at least get have some, put some risk out there that, you know, I'm going to make the right decision when it's in a true emergency, and they can't find it in their budget.

3123
03:58:36,520 --> 03:58:45,420
And your point is well taken, I suppose, depending upon the point in the year, there are a line lines they could take it from in their budget, but it's still after you restored.

3124
03:58:45,920 --> 03:58:55,100
For instance, we obviously don't spend salaries all 100% one time, so if they have a room and their salary line, then we came back from board and said, hey, they have its emergency and so they took it from here.

3125
03:58:55,640 --> 03:59:02,100
But we need to restore it to there. You have some flexibility because of the timing of what you spend money in a year.

3126
03:59:02,940 --> 03:59:04,600
But those are the kinds of things that could happen.

3127
03:59:07,160 --> 03:59:12,540
So the only concern I have and it's been brought to me and that's because I didn't even think about it.

3128
03:59:12,700 --> 03:59:18,660
It was when you increased the amount of money that you have in a contingency fund or in a fund where you have it.

3129
03:59:18,720 --> 03:59:21,640
We went from 10,000 to 25,000 only away.

3130
03:59:22,140 --> 03:59:28,480
People started to ask, well, now we're getting up to the point where there may be items that should go out for bid and are they?

3131
03:59:28,720 --> 03:59:30,860
No, the camera policy follows all that.

3132
03:59:30,920 --> 03:59:32,580
Yeah, so that's actually that's not.

3133
03:59:32,660 --> 03:59:33,640
That's all I'm gonna have.

3134
03:59:33,980 --> 03:59:36,620
Give me an answer so I can tell the people will know the difference.

3135
03:59:36,620 --> 03:59:40,600
that's different than what we're talking about with a repair policy as very specific ranges

3136
03:59:40,600 --> 03:59:47,100
of when they have to go out to bed in terms of whether it's getting verbal quotes, written

3137
03:59:47,100 --> 03:59:51,600
quotes, or actually feel bizzare advertised. There's three different levels of one

3138
03:59:51,600 --> 03:59:55,800
of those things. And that's all being followed. There's a form that everybody does.

3139
03:59:55,920 --> 03:59:59,340
People are funny. They always want to think the bad things.

3140
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:04,540
And I want to make sure that if a question comes like that, I know how to answer that part.

3141
04:00:04,600 --> 04:00:12,780
And you can always go look at the back up to the purchase and say, you heard about it at the back up for the verbal written and our teams, obviously, done that way.

3142
04:00:13,600 --> 04:00:14,980
Yeah, who's there?

3143
04:00:18,170 --> 04:00:20,110
We're on the list.

3144
04:00:20,390 --> 04:00:21,630
There was a lot of what you were saying.

3145
04:00:22,490 --> 04:00:30,590
Well, what I was thinking is to provide the contingency fund for her, and she would be able to do exactly what she said, and then come back and ratify later on,

3146
04:00:30,590 --> 04:00:35,670
to expedite some of these things to keep somebody having to wait two weeks in order to get

3147
04:00:35,670 --> 04:00:39,530
something because I understood finance wouldn't allow them to buy whatever they wanted to until

3148
04:00:39,530 --> 04:00:46,290
it was approved. So in order to expedite some of these issues that may come about, that was the reason

3149
04:00:46,290 --> 04:00:52,050
for making that suggestion. But I didn't have any indication. I wanted to put a contingency

3150
04:00:52,050 --> 04:00:56,290
contingency funding each department head. Well, I don't think that's what I'm saying either.

3151
04:00:56,290 --> 04:00:56,890
Okay.

3152
04:00:56,950 --> 04:00:58,570
What if your fund is more?

3153
04:00:58,890 --> 04:01:00,750
In transportation is one.

3154
04:01:01,510 --> 04:01:02,030
Fire is one.

3155
04:01:02,830 --> 04:01:04,290
No, I'm saying for you.

3156
04:01:05,450 --> 04:01:06,190
General funds.

3157
04:01:07,870 --> 04:01:11,510
I would just do the four main operations.

3158
04:01:13,070 --> 04:01:16,230
If we're going to do it at all, I'd just do general fund, I'd do transportation.

3159
04:01:17,330 --> 04:01:17,590
Fire.

3160
04:01:18,770 --> 04:01:20,890
And uncorporate service area.

3161
04:01:20,990 --> 04:01:22,310
Those are the main operating areas.

3162
04:01:22,410 --> 04:01:26,110
I wouldn't do tourism because there's usually sufficient dollars in there on.

3163
04:01:26,110 --> 04:01:37,460
And it's not going to work and now it's going to line up and make sure everything is done.

3164
04:01:39,000 --> 04:01:43,200
Well, I can, in this discussion, this is not the end of it.

3165
04:01:43,340 --> 04:01:46,280
I mean, to me, I would bring back a policy and we would go through the policy.

3166
04:01:46,820 --> 04:01:49,000
So you need to have the absolute assurances of what you're having to do.

3167
04:01:49,940 --> 04:01:51,700
This was just the discussion.

3168
04:01:51,700 --> 04:02:00,320
To provide staff direction and then we'll go from there. I prefer to have administrative regulations that a policies that are in writing and protects a different one than

3169
04:02:01,480 --> 04:02:09,180
But I would suggest you sit and you bring back a policy to see it if we don't get in that that's fine. Oh, we can tweak it. Right.

3170
04:02:12,180 --> 04:02:22,200
Up until this budget process is not going to problem, but when you go to four year averages and there have not been situations that could occur that have occurred recently.

3171
04:02:23,740 --> 04:02:29,700
It can be. And if you want to wait till it is a problem, we can do it that way too.

3172
04:02:29,880 --> 04:02:34,660
I'm going to record and I'll say I'll be shocked if we do all the capital projects.

3173
04:02:35,820 --> 04:02:41,400
Well capital projects fund is completely different than these capital purchases that are in these individual budgets.

3174
04:02:42,380 --> 04:02:43,400
They're completely different.

3175
04:02:45,040 --> 04:02:45,800
But lots of money.

3176
04:02:46,120 --> 04:02:51,740
Fun 303, right? Fun 303 is simply separate from all this discussion I'm having with you.

3177
04:02:51,740 --> 04:02:56,620
Now that's a capital fund. It's not operating. I'm strictly talking about operating issues.

3178
04:02:57,640 --> 04:03:01,100
That's where this is where this comment started from.

3179
04:03:01,480 --> 04:03:05,300
So I would suggest it to just bring back the policy if we like it.

3180
04:03:05,900 --> 04:03:08,980
Then we adopt it. We don't. We put it away.

3181
04:03:09,420 --> 04:03:10,220
Good to me.

3182
04:03:20,320 --> 04:03:21,840
You're just thinking about it.

3183
04:03:21,880 --> 04:03:22,760
You're just thinking about it.

3184
04:03:23,660 --> 04:03:25,120
You'll talk in a second.

3185
04:03:26,320 --> 04:03:26,580
What's that?

3186
04:03:26,580 --> 04:03:28,400
solution looking for a problem?

3187
04:03:28,860 --> 04:03:32,020
Oh, I have, I have, I think we have a problem, but we'll feel.

3188
04:03:32,620 --> 04:03:34,360
Okay, last, last time?

3189
04:03:34,520 --> 04:03:35,300
No, couple more.

3190
04:03:35,540 --> 04:03:36,860
Discussion of shipping contained.

3191
04:03:37,480 --> 04:03:39,340
Mr. Roy, as I told you, be out to lunch.

3192
04:03:40,060 --> 04:03:40,540
You go to lunch.

3193
04:03:42,640 --> 04:03:43,640
But you didn't believe me.

3194
04:03:54,520 --> 04:03:56,880
So, I already want to do that shipping contained.

3195
04:03:57,920 --> 04:04:01,240
Well, we're going to enforce the code that we're going to...

3196
04:04:01,240 --> 04:04:02,780
I want to leave the code home.

3197
04:04:02,780 --> 04:04:10,840
And the last commission meeting of resident came to the public conversation and inquired

3198
04:04:10,840 --> 04:04:16,160
about how the regulation done shipping containers that has probably gotten the violation

3199
04:04:16,160 --> 04:04:17,720
for several things.

3200
04:04:17,880 --> 04:04:21,900
One of the things mentioned was that we used to containers on the problem.

3201
04:04:22,780 --> 04:04:24,280
We found the regulations,

3202
04:04:26,740 --> 04:04:29,160
for example, for all of this, of course, were eventually

3203
04:04:29,160 --> 04:04:32,880
building else. They're not going to allow us for the more things that the sugar container is

3204
04:04:32,880 --> 04:04:40,520
to be used for storage. We've had a period of time over the years where somebody gets

3205
04:04:40,520 --> 04:04:44,680
a new no-home wants to be able to hold the back of the effort storage and then love that.

3206
04:04:45,520 --> 04:04:48,560
Some of them, some of them are going to go to home to come to school district, but it's given

3207
04:04:48,560 --> 04:04:53,280
we're going to run support of the classrooms, so people don't get those produced across the

3208
04:04:53,280 --> 04:04:57,060
government. They will give in a way if somebody would just pick it up and move it. So I'll

3209
04:04:57,060 --> 04:04:59,760
and people are wanting to put both corporate classroom

3210
04:04:59,760 --> 04:05:01,200
in their backyard or storage.

3211
04:05:02,320 --> 04:05:03,820
The periodically shipping containers

3212
04:05:03,820 --> 04:05:05,780
come available through the then

3213
04:05:05,780 --> 04:05:09,200
when people wanted to them for sort of inexpensive storage

3214
04:05:09,200 --> 04:05:09,840
option.

3215
04:05:11,920 --> 04:05:14,260
And the code has a provision for that basically

3216
04:05:14,260 --> 04:05:16,700
acknowledging the structure of these things.

3217
04:05:17,160 --> 04:05:19,880
One in ten to that purpose are not really

3218
04:05:19,880 --> 04:05:22,360
structure of the filters we think of it.

3219
04:05:22,420 --> 04:05:26,800
And they're not considered with the idea of the development

3220
04:05:27,680 --> 04:05:31,900
And you have a single family dwelling, whether it's at 80 to a lot, or a five-ing for

3221
04:05:31,900 --> 04:05:32,100
a lot.

3222
04:05:32,240 --> 04:05:33,640
We have a single family dwelling.

3223
04:05:34,140 --> 04:05:36,800
You can have a couple of successfully structured, you can have a chef, you can have a

3224
04:05:36,800 --> 04:05:42,320
barada, and you can have a few things like that, but we can't wish to have a sugar cane or

3225
04:05:42,320 --> 04:05:44,740
pop-down there and say, we'll look at the DRAM for a store.

3226
04:05:45,400 --> 04:05:50,460
So, I think the commissioners indicated that last week, and the contract that this does is,

3227
04:05:51,320 --> 04:05:52,160
so here's the discussion.

3228
04:05:52,420 --> 04:05:56,680
If you want to, I would say, out of spite of the current policy, the alliance that's

3229
04:05:56,680 --> 04:06:01,860
changes, I'm a local conservative, you know, all residents of Lincoln Hills, all of a sudden,

3230
04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:09,540
you can have, I don't know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, the storage containers, lockdown, some place for storage.

3231
04:06:10,480 --> 04:06:12,820
This is also a situation with commercials on industry.

3232
04:06:13,060 --> 04:06:16,100
It's an actually the chip of containers that come pretty wide and spread.

3233
04:06:16,300 --> 04:06:17,680
We have a lot of commercial areas.

3234
04:06:18,300 --> 04:06:19,660
Same thing that really are a lot.

3235
04:06:20,560 --> 04:06:21,200
I'm not using them.

3236
04:06:21,820 --> 04:06:25,280
Not as a temporary store, but it's permanent, long term storage.

3237
04:06:25,740 --> 04:06:28,020
That's not the, what they were intended for,

3238
04:06:28,160 --> 04:06:29,260
they're not what they were not intended to assist them

3239
04:06:30,420 --> 04:06:33,780
in the other development, that existed with,

3240
04:06:33,860 --> 04:06:36,300
you know, our problems should look like,

3241
04:06:37,100 --> 04:06:38,560
but you want me to discussion on this,

3242
04:06:39,620 --> 04:06:41,300
I would say out of the slide, was that for a policy,

3243
04:06:41,560 --> 04:06:44,640
basically, it was not a lot of the law,

3244
04:06:44,860 --> 04:06:46,300
or do you want to consider something else?

3245
04:06:46,520 --> 04:06:49,160
They are allowed for agriculture to get

3246
04:06:49,160 --> 04:06:51,260
for research stuff, they are called for agriculture.

3247
04:06:51,660 --> 04:06:53,880
And say for example, you're building the house,

3248
04:06:53,880 --> 04:06:58,720
You can certainly get a storage as well as containers, put a new property, while we have

3249
04:06:58,720 --> 04:07:02,140
an active permit for storage and materials and stuff, because then it's actually

3250
04:07:02,140 --> 04:07:07,120
a piece of equipment, but then once the construction is done, the permit is over the

3251
04:07:07,120 --> 04:07:08,880
remaining, and you get rid of the storage and container.

3252
04:07:09,460 --> 04:07:12,540
I don't know if I could do it in a row of all for something during that construction job.

3253
04:07:13,480 --> 04:07:15,320
So I love the policy of the way it is.

3254
04:07:15,540 --> 04:07:19,100
One of the residents of the building did not, when we asked the time commissioners to consider

3255
04:07:19,100 --> 04:07:24,180
changing it. So do you want to discuss it? Do you want to talk about an award? Do you want to

3256
04:07:24,180 --> 04:07:26,340
do you want to change it to policy instead of that to you?

3257
04:07:27,100 --> 04:07:28,960
Okay, to focus on the derives? Discussion?

3258
04:07:29,100 --> 04:07:29,560
Yeah, this.

3259
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:36,620
Ironically, I was that planning and zoning, I want to gentleman came in and had a shipping container brought

3260
04:07:36,620 --> 04:07:42,460
into his property out in Kokino. And we were sitting there, Brad and now we're having a discussion,

3261
04:07:42,740 --> 04:07:48,340
and when he stopped and talked to us, and I said, here's the issue that we have. These containers

3262
04:07:48,340 --> 04:07:53,040
weren't meant to be temporary homes for the weekend where people are coming out in the Vikings

3263
04:07:53,040 --> 04:07:59,420
and doing just that. He wanted to actually mount a water pump inside of it, you know, to facilitate

3264
04:07:59,420 --> 04:08:08,420
I should say not a lot of people steal it because at my time that that does happen and what I told him was as I said if you

3265
04:08:08,420 --> 04:08:11,000
He lives in Fort Loderdale and I'm gonna say in a nice area

3266
04:08:11,000 --> 04:08:16,260
I say what would happen is if someone came in and moved the shipping container in next door to you

3267
04:08:16,260 --> 04:08:22,320
So that's that's an issue on a acre and a quarter or smaller a lot and that was the issue that I had concerned with

3268
04:08:23,460 --> 04:08:28,620
The one thing about shipping containers is the unlike sheds, you know like aluminum sheds

3269
04:08:28,620 --> 04:08:33,440
You don't usually blow away hurricanes, so it's not, you know, a danger to other people if they're

3270
04:08:33,440 --> 04:08:38,000
improperly secured and many of the older ones, the bases have rotted out, the straps have

3271
04:08:38,000 --> 04:08:40,120
rotted out and can't check all of them.

3272
04:08:40,280 --> 04:08:46,420
But I do think, and what I asked Board to do and to direct stats to do, was look at situations

3273
04:08:46,420 --> 04:08:51,820
where there are five acres or more or pick a number, because at that point, if they've put

3274
04:08:51,820 --> 04:08:56,280
in the middle of their end they're used for storage, they're properly strapped down.

3275
04:08:56,280 --> 04:09:03,680
I would rather see one of those because clearly because of its strength, it's structural strength.

3276
04:09:03,800 --> 04:09:06,040
Is this not going to become a missile flying through the air?

3277
04:09:06,220 --> 04:09:07,940
As I had my backyard after Francis.

3278
04:09:09,100 --> 04:09:11,160
So that's why I asked the board to look at this policy.

3279
04:09:11,820 --> 04:09:16,620
And obviously we don't want to see, you know, lazy seven or, you know, we don't want to see an area

3280
04:09:16,620 --> 04:09:23,260
where the houses are in a PUD where they're in a quarter or smaller lots, it would take over.

3281
04:09:23,260 --> 04:09:29,140
And that's what I was concerned about, but I would like the board to, as myself, consider

3282
04:09:29,140 --> 04:09:35,540
looking at it, looking at this, and delineating a certain size of a piece of property that

3283
04:09:35,540 --> 04:09:41,100
you could use these storage cabinets for storage, not a house, not a temporary living facility,

3284
04:09:41,760 --> 04:09:44,900
you know, not a shop, but a storage area.

3285
04:09:45,460 --> 04:09:49,180
And that's what I was kind of why I asked, you know, staff to come back and take a look

3286
04:09:49,180 --> 04:09:53,760
doesn't see, you know, if we could work something out, you know, that this could be an acceptable

3287
04:09:54,680 --> 04:09:58,460
piece on a larger piece of property where you could put it in the middle of the property

3288
04:09:58,460 --> 04:10:02,400
or somewhere, but some shit, you know, shrubber you around it and I don't think you would

3289
04:10:02,400 --> 04:10:07,640
be a trusive, but they do serve a good purpose and, you know, if I had a large piece of property

3290
04:10:07,640 --> 04:10:09,340
I would consider using it.

3291
04:10:09,340 --> 04:10:19,160
But how do you tell, okay, how do you cocaine it, how do you fray, how do you have the

3292
04:10:20,060 --> 04:10:25,400
Okay, they're out in the middle of nowhere, you're right, so they could have one of these on

3293
04:10:25,400 --> 04:10:31,400
five acres, but yet our five acres, if I meant an our bar sure wouldn't want my

3294
04:10:31,400 --> 04:10:35,960
neighborhood to have one, but if you give them a case for five acre in and for

3295
04:10:35,960 --> 04:10:40,360
you, then everybody should be entitled to it, so it's hard to tell somebody with

3296
04:10:40,360 --> 04:10:47,420
five acres, and one area you can have it and not in another, yeah, to me, it would be.

3297
04:10:53,050 --> 04:11:00,870
Do we have limitations on buying one from Home Depot or call her to put in my yard?

3298
04:11:01,090 --> 04:11:03,620
I know money, but I don't know because I have a company that I can't do it.

3299
04:11:04,230 --> 04:11:07,850
But at our bottom, is there a limitation on what I can put in my yard?

3300
04:11:09,130 --> 04:11:15,050
And all our residents alone, just for it's there is a limit on, until a number and size and accessory structures.

3301
04:11:15,370 --> 04:11:16,470
And what's the limit on size?

3302
04:11:16,770 --> 04:11:17,030
I'm sorry.

3303
04:11:17,330 --> 04:11:18,450
What's the size of square footage?

3304
04:11:18,450 --> 04:11:24,410
the generally in most other districts, you'll own the two accessories structures that combine

3305
04:11:24,410 --> 04:11:28,750
area of the two accessories structures, kinetic seed, and somewhere as you mentioned,

3306
04:11:28,970 --> 04:11:32,270
building districts, 100 percent of the size of the house, so if there are 2,000 square

3307
04:11:32,270 --> 04:11:37,650
of the house, you're two accessories structures together, can't be larger than 2,000 square feet.

3308
04:11:38,230 --> 04:11:41,910
And I think our role was, eventually, what's using larger lots, quite often,

3309
04:11:41,910 --> 04:11:47,370
of animals, you can have a commodity area in your accessor structures, can we see the

3310
04:11:47,370 --> 04:11:51,150
150% or 200% of the size in the house, but there are still our limits.

3311
04:11:51,810 --> 04:12:00,430
So the issue with the containers isn't the size, it could be the number of, I mean, how many

3312
04:12:00,430 --> 04:12:02,850
do they come to the accessor structural zone they would visit?

3313
04:12:04,070 --> 04:12:05,870
I mean, that's just not what they're there for.

3314
04:12:06,250 --> 04:12:09,550
We really want, I really want them to lay their hoods, I don't care whether they're too

3315
04:12:09,550 --> 04:12:14,230
They're defiving, they're aiming, they're something that they don't belong in.

3316
04:12:14,630 --> 04:12:15,670
That's not what they're built for.

3317
04:12:15,670 --> 04:12:18,630
They're built for shipping containers or track trailers.

3318
04:12:19,310 --> 04:12:22,610
They're not built to be a storage facility in the back yard.

3319
04:12:22,830 --> 04:12:23,950
They're the doors that are set up for that.

3320
04:12:24,170 --> 04:12:26,250
You can get a lot inside of them.

3321
04:12:26,490 --> 04:12:27,690
There it is.

3322
04:12:27,810 --> 04:12:28,950
That's not what they're there for.

3323
04:12:29,750 --> 04:12:31,710
In commercial, we'll give it a bona fide.

3324
04:12:33,050 --> 04:12:33,850
Commercial agriculture.

3325
04:12:34,890 --> 04:12:36,310
There's very, very step story exemptions.

3326
04:12:36,350 --> 04:12:38,790
It's not much we can be there but other than that.

3327
04:12:38,790 --> 04:12:41,870
I don't see that they belong any close.

3328
04:12:42,430 --> 04:12:48,870
Well, chair just part of a good point, you said you have limits within your

3329
04:12:48,870 --> 04:12:48,990
home.

3330
04:12:49,490 --> 04:12:50,770
We have covenants.

3331
04:12:51,050 --> 04:12:51,930
You have covenants.

3332
04:12:52,370 --> 04:12:55,250
And that would work the same way with Aubrey, you know, they can, they're home

3333
04:12:55,250 --> 04:12:58,890
to associate, you could have a covenant to say that we don't want shipping containers.

3334
04:12:59,470 --> 04:13:03,850
But by an air barrier that you had five acres, it was one five acre parcel, like for

3335
04:13:03,850 --> 04:13:09,850
wrong. You can't even see past the fence inside there. And if you required a certain amount

3336
04:13:09,850 --> 04:13:14,650
of percent setbacks where it would have to be on the inner part of that parcel of land

3337
04:13:14,650 --> 04:13:18,710
or it would not sit in right next to somebody's fence, then I think that would be something

3338
04:13:18,710 --> 04:13:24,810
that could be worked with that. I think because of their, you know, they're useful. I send

3339
04:13:24,810 --> 04:13:29,330
a lot of people to do. You know, I think if it's something that you should allow people

3340
04:13:29,330 --> 04:13:35,350
If it's in an area where there's an agricultural type area, I don't think there's a problem.

3341
04:13:35,570 --> 04:13:39,050
And if there is, let the homeowner's association address it.

3342
04:13:39,490 --> 04:13:41,730
Well, there are actually very few of them on the association.

3343
04:13:42,050 --> 04:13:42,990
They know it's up to the top.

3344
04:13:43,770 --> 04:13:45,510
Most of them are on the neighborhood to this.

3345
04:13:45,890 --> 04:13:47,270
Either they never had this association.

3346
04:13:47,670 --> 04:13:51,210
And for the association, as well as in, you know, in active regard for it.

3347
04:13:51,730 --> 04:13:56,330
So even if there are all of these restrictions, they're probably not enforceable.

3348
04:13:56,330 --> 04:14:01,210
Well, my name would have to think about myself, how do we all maternity, see somebody else?

3349
04:14:01,470 --> 04:14:03,310
How could you get yourself locked in?

3350
04:14:03,410 --> 04:14:04,870
How could you be locked in to one?

3351
04:14:05,170 --> 04:14:06,750
Like somebody locked you in it.

3352
04:14:06,890 --> 04:14:08,810
Well, yeah, I could see kids playing around while I can be locked in,

3353
04:14:08,930 --> 04:14:10,410
so maybe in the moment when there's something,

3354
04:14:10,830 --> 04:14:12,130
because I'm, oh, there's questions you've been usually,

3355
04:14:12,550 --> 04:14:14,130
get out from inside,

3356
04:14:15,890 --> 04:14:17,370
but I, you know,

3357
04:14:17,510 --> 04:14:20,310
you're playing around and going out with the old problem with the previous stuff,

3358
04:14:20,530 --> 04:14:21,690
and kids are,

3359
04:14:22,410 --> 04:14:23,210
I'm asking that.

3360
04:14:23,210 --> 04:14:26,450
in the House of Justice, is there not right in the House of Justice?

3361
04:14:26,710 --> 04:14:29,170
All right, should be containers taxed on the property

3362
04:14:29,170 --> 04:14:31,470
as part of it's not.

3363
04:14:31,870 --> 04:14:33,950
So when we pay you better off in our county

3364
04:14:33,950 --> 04:14:38,010
to have assets that are taxable for our tax base?

3365
04:14:38,450 --> 04:14:38,890
Well, absolutely.

3366
04:14:39,290 --> 04:14:40,770
I'm out of this, read with that.

3367
04:14:41,190 --> 04:14:44,750
But what my point was is that if you put up a looming

3368
04:14:44,750 --> 04:14:47,870
of utility shed, I've seen plastic polypopole,

3369
04:14:48,730 --> 04:14:51,170
the just the structural integrity of one of those,

3370
04:14:51,170 --> 04:14:55,530
you know, and we're talking about, you know, damage to other people's property or, you know,

3371
04:14:55,690 --> 04:14:56,610
flying through the air.

3372
04:14:56,830 --> 04:14:59,970
That was one of the reasons that I even looked at that was because of the fact.

3373
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:08,120
Right from the safety standpoint, and the substantial construction of those, as you wouldn't have the same issue with flying debris, and as you would from a utility shed.

3374
04:15:08,680 --> 04:15:17,040
And that's kind of why I brought that, I had a roll of door online, it blew away, and you could pull it down and slide the lever and let somebody in it, you know, they couldn't get out.

3375
04:15:17,740 --> 04:15:23,020
So I don't know whether that would be as much concern as it would be from an aesthetic, if that's the problem.

3376
04:15:23,560 --> 04:15:28,640
But if you look at the shed, they're all over the place, and they're usually not maintained as well,

3377
04:15:28,640 --> 04:15:32,600
or anywhere close to is what is what the structure, the housing structure.

3378
04:15:32,700 --> 04:15:36,780
And if you can build a utility shed with a thousand square or two thousand square feet

3379
04:15:36,780 --> 04:15:39,700
or equal to your house, that's not in your hangar.

3380
04:15:40,880 --> 04:15:47,800
So these utilities, these boxes, they only come with eight foot wide and 20, 25, 30 feet long

3381
04:15:47,800 --> 04:15:50,240
at the biggest ones, whatever they can haul across the road.

3382
04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:57,100
So you'd be limited this what you could put on their size-wise versus a purchased, constructed,

3383
04:15:57,100 --> 04:15:59,060
pre-constructing jildy shit.

3384
04:15:59,660 --> 04:16:03,060
So, there's ways that you can look at for me the direction.

3385
04:16:03,700 --> 04:16:06,740
I'm looking at it because I guess the line of work I was in,

3386
04:16:07,060 --> 04:16:08,240
more of a safety issue.

3387
04:16:08,480 --> 04:16:10,620
You know, as a fact of the integrity, structural integrity.

3388
04:16:12,020 --> 04:16:13,980
And there are a lot of people that store stuff in these things,

3389
04:16:14,220 --> 04:16:17,880
you know, lawn mowers and anything else that you would store in jildy shit.

3390
04:16:18,220 --> 04:16:21,700
And the only thing I was looking at was the string,

3391
04:16:21,980 --> 04:16:24,460
basically, and that's kind of why I wanted to

3392
04:16:24,460 --> 04:16:28,900
want to limit somebody that has a, you know, and five acres, you could, you could, you could

3393
04:16:28,900 --> 04:16:33,520
get an exemption, an agricultural exemption on that according to what I, you know, when I

3394
04:16:33,520 --> 04:16:40,140
talk to the, you know, there's no limit, you check, I checked it out. You can, you can,

3395
04:16:40,140 --> 04:16:43,860
you can get an agricultural exemption, there is no limit to the size. And that was one of

3396
04:16:43,860 --> 04:16:49,980
the questions I specifically asked, Mickey Vandy. And unless I'm a student, there is not

3397
04:16:49,980 --> 04:16:54,800
requirement, I'm a minimum requirement to get an agricultural classification.

3398
04:16:55,200 --> 04:16:58,200
No, no, no, there's not as far as that, there's for a legitimate commercial,

3399
04:16:58,200 --> 04:17:04,120
a modified commercial, a government operation, which is, you can get on two

3400
04:17:04,120 --> 04:17:06,080
acres, but it's pretty unusual.

3401
04:17:06,880 --> 04:17:08,060
Yeah, but it can be done.

3402
04:17:08,320 --> 04:17:08,800
It's in the code.

3403
04:17:08,900 --> 04:17:09,640
It can be done.

3404
04:17:09,760 --> 04:17:10,440
You can go shickens.

3405
04:17:10,500 --> 04:17:12,060
You can go birds, rabbits.

3406
04:17:12,380 --> 04:17:13,220
You can have to make none.

3407
04:17:13,740 --> 04:17:13,920
Yeah.

3408
04:17:14,180 --> 04:17:14,860
No, you know.

3409
04:17:15,000 --> 04:17:15,720
And that's wrong, too.

3410
04:17:15,880 --> 04:17:18,180
You do not have to file up to 99%.

3411
04:17:21,160 --> 04:17:25,200
But you do not have to show that it's operated at a profit order.

3412
04:17:30,220 --> 04:17:37,240
But that side, those are, again, it's part of the, you know, part of the policy decision

3413
04:17:37,240 --> 04:17:40,520
of the board of the Commission, all of your land and government regulations are operating

3414
04:17:40,520 --> 04:17:45,000
before it's setting out the type of community you want, what types of other structures,

3415
04:17:45,140 --> 04:17:48,360
minimum size structures, location, and stuff, that type of things.

3416
04:17:48,360 --> 04:17:52,760
They have different domain districts that have different types of things that are allowed in different

3417
04:17:52,760 --> 04:17:56,020
setbacks, different various regulations.

3418
04:17:56,400 --> 04:17:57,320
This is all we have to do.

3419
04:17:57,320 --> 04:17:59,000
This is somebody in primary policy documents.

3420
04:17:59,340 --> 04:18:07,380
Do you want to try your trade with shipping containers or all the global classrooms, do you want

3421
04:18:07,380 --> 04:18:12,960
these to be able to be put anywhere anybody wants that consistent with the local law for

3422
04:18:12,960 --> 04:18:15,660
where they're mentioned, and the local law of the area of the town.

3423
04:18:17,060 --> 04:18:25,780
I understand the appeal to a point, but in the law I don't think it's good for the long-term

3424
04:18:26,360 --> 04:18:27,480
aesthetics of the power.

3425
04:18:28,320 --> 04:18:30,940
So Bill, how many of these do we have on county property?

3426
04:18:31,860 --> 04:18:34,300
I think the county needs to get one of the ones we have in the world.

3427
04:18:34,820 --> 04:18:34,900
So...

3428
04:18:34,900 --> 04:18:37,080
Yeah, I love those two of them that the county has.

3429
04:18:37,440 --> 04:18:39,840
So it didn't at the end of this particular issue.

3430
04:18:39,840 --> 04:18:47,000
if we denote that, we don't want them, and the county's got a problem, we'll get rid of them

3431
04:18:47,000 --> 04:18:48,840
just like everybody else, all right?

3432
04:18:50,400 --> 04:18:51,620
So you'll have to build storage.

3433
04:18:52,020 --> 04:18:56,480
Yeah, to build storage, you have to do something, but when the county still has them when

3434
04:18:56,480 --> 04:18:58,940
they're property, they need to get rid of them.

3435
04:18:58,960 --> 04:18:59,200
Correct.

3436
04:18:59,300 --> 04:19:02,350
That's a little bit of a challenge.

3437
04:19:02,710 --> 04:19:04,570
I'll always tell you the example that I have with me.

3438
04:19:04,710 --> 04:19:06,750
I don't know you have a comment, you're just, wait.

3439
04:19:06,750 --> 04:19:09,910
Oh, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

3440
04:19:09,910 --> 04:19:15,370
question bill. How many citation have we written for this violation?

3441
04:19:16,710 --> 04:19:21,530
I don't know the total number and it's rarely, it's rarely the principal violation.

3442
04:19:21,930 --> 04:19:26,270
Mostly there's a violation for overgrowth or something else and then if there's other

3443
04:19:26,270 --> 04:19:30,110
bodies on the property, well, well, who they didn't, they definitely had been

3444
04:19:31,050 --> 04:19:38,130
some very few on commercial properties. We have one right now, I don't know 10 on

3445
04:19:38,130 --> 04:19:45,230
commercial property is exempt. No, we just have to work we're getting there. And when

3446
04:19:45,230 --> 04:19:51,890
we start doing that, you're going to know what I mean. Well, that's kind of my point.

3447
04:19:53,110 --> 04:19:56,790
Either we're going to have an ordinance and enforce it or we should do away with the ordinance.

3448
04:19:57,090 --> 04:20:03,530
Well, we can't issue everybody violation on the same day. I guarantee that I could write

3449
04:20:03,530 --> 04:20:11,030
10 violations a day without spending 30 minutes on containers and I don't have to go look

3450
04:20:11,030 --> 04:20:19,330
there are all main streets I don't know I do and we're now do 40 40 foot tractor trailer trailers

3451
04:20:19,330 --> 04:20:28,170
is that appropriate storage no okay then I can do maybe 15 today and 30 minutes that's my

3452
04:20:28,670 --> 04:20:35,430
We're going to do it, but we're not, and these are all main roads in this county.

3453
04:20:35,710 --> 04:20:40,270
These are not all people backyards, these are all main roads in this county.

3454
04:20:40,870 --> 04:20:41,990
Yes, there's one.

3455
04:20:42,610 --> 04:20:46,850
So if we're going to focus on doing something, at least we could focus on the main roads.

3456
04:20:53,340 --> 04:20:59,280
You know what the Chair makes to you say, excellent point, we're going to open up Pandora's

3457
04:20:59,280 --> 04:21:04,720
box here with this because what's going to happen is if we if we stand behind this and the

3458
04:21:04,720 --> 04:21:10,100
first one or two or three that we start taking you better get ready because with what do we

3459
04:21:10,100 --> 04:21:17,340
have three people now in code enforcement do full one part. They can't even get the the code

3460
04:21:17,340 --> 04:21:22,040
enforcement down on people that have mode to grasp for six months. So what we're doing was spending

3461
04:21:22,040 --> 04:21:29,260
a lot of time going out trying to enforce this with this this out the out the acreage out of

3462
04:21:29,260 --> 04:21:34,740
enforcement is overwhelmed right now, and they're doing a superhuman job trying to go out and

3463
04:21:34,740 --> 04:21:40,140
address these issues of, you know, junk cars in the yard and grass, and stuff where

3464
04:21:40,140 --> 04:21:45,040
snakes are coming out under their property. So I don't want to create a nightmare for Beth

3465
04:21:45,040 --> 04:21:49,700
and Rollo and whoever our other employee is trying to go out and write, you know, violations.

3466
04:21:49,840 --> 04:21:54,320
And then we have to enforce them. So as the chair said, what good is it writing a violation

3467
04:21:54,320 --> 04:21:58,040
if we don't have the staff to go out physically and enforce them.

3468
04:21:58,280 --> 04:22:01,220
I think what we're doing, we're creating one big, gigantic monster.

3469
04:22:02,100 --> 04:22:06,980
Because I've seen, I'm out there a lot, and they are everywhere, everywhere.

3470
04:22:08,980 --> 04:22:11,720
There's an old saying, be careful, it's as important as you like it.

3471
04:22:12,320 --> 04:22:13,540
The monsters are even creating.

3472
04:22:14,760 --> 04:22:17,640
Yeah, because we didn't, we didn't go out and do this.

3473
04:22:18,320 --> 04:22:18,760
Let's go.

3474
04:22:19,940 --> 04:22:29,000
First of all, I think I wrote the original ordinance 25 years ago.

3475
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:52,620
And it's sort of amazing that we're having this discussion 25 years later, because we spent decades trying to improve our housing stock, trying to improve the property values, and trying to eliminate a time when every weekend, a dozen old mobile homes that were discarded from the coast were brought in here, because it was good enough for Okachovey.

3476
04:22:52,620 --> 04:23:00,960
And, you know, I think I have to concur with Mr. Royce that the code should not be amended,

3477
04:23:01,520 --> 04:23:06,760
unless you don't mind what the community can look like when these things don't have restrictions.

3478
04:23:07,460 --> 04:23:11,480
Because once you open up a Pandora's box, once you open up a Pandora's box,

3479
04:23:11,840 --> 04:23:16,980
to take these containers from transport containers and temporary use containers

3480
04:23:16,980 --> 04:23:32,860
And to make them permanent storage accessories, it's open season, basically, because you don't have as good a reason to say 5, 10 or 15 acres in above, it's okay, because they're not really any different when we can't see them, but if we can't see them, it's okay.

3481
04:23:34,160 --> 04:23:37,460
You're not going to want them in jail, Precise, you're not going to want them in Oak Lake

3482
04:23:37,460 --> 04:23:38,160
the States.

3483
04:23:39,480 --> 04:23:43,980
They, you know, Bill's said they're not appropriate anywhere that's probably not exactly

3484
04:23:43,980 --> 04:23:48,940
true because they are appropriate for temporary storage, I think the code says that.

3485
04:23:49,100 --> 04:23:56,080
For, you know, Walmart at Christmas time with the bicycles, the container that's dropped

3486
04:23:56,080 --> 04:24:00,660
off and unloaded the first part of the week and then picked up another one placed down.

3487
04:24:00,660 --> 04:24:02,880
That's the temporary nature for commercial.

3488
04:24:03,560 --> 04:24:13,280
Commercial has been rolled into, it's a cheap inexpensive way of plopping them down and not having to add under their building or moving to a new building or improving.

3489
04:24:14,260 --> 04:24:16,360
The county's even been seduced by that.

3490
04:24:16,580 --> 04:24:22,520
You know, it's just easy to stick something in it and, you know, hey, it's sort of, I like the idea of having enough room for my lawnmower.

3491
04:24:23,160 --> 04:24:27,940
But I'm not sure that that's a appropriate long-term solution for the county.

3492
04:24:29,660 --> 04:24:35,980
For example, they, you know, I guess they would be there considered a structure if they're going to be used for that kind of a purpose.

3493
04:24:36,800 --> 04:24:41,340
Now can't, we can only have what one or two accessory structures, one or two.

3494
04:24:42,680 --> 04:24:46,180
But it's so I can take three of those and weld them together and I've got one structure.

3495
04:24:47,740 --> 04:24:52,620
Yeah, I'm not sure. We've had people take old single-wise and make triple-wise out of them.

3496
04:24:53,940 --> 04:24:57,560
By screwing them together and cutting holes between both ways between them.

3497
04:24:57,560 --> 04:25:02,240
I'm not sure anyone really considers that's an appropriate use of an old mobile home.

3498
04:25:02,940 --> 04:25:04,420
So I can see problems with that.

3499
04:25:04,560 --> 04:25:10,180
I can see problems with all sorts of nice commercial areas having their next door neighbor

3500
04:25:10,180 --> 04:25:12,500
with those put in the front or back.

3501
04:25:13,540 --> 04:25:18,360
You're going to open up Pandora's box, I agree with Commissioner Colpepper, but probably not

3502
04:25:18,360 --> 04:25:22,620
in a good way by allowing them, I think they need to be enforced.

3503
04:25:24,360 --> 04:25:28,380
And that's a policy decision and I'll rewrite it again if you want.

3504
04:25:29,300 --> 04:25:34,820
Well, what you're exactly partially agree with you when you said in this current way that you're

3505
04:25:34,820 --> 04:25:39,220
addressing this, no, because you don't want these things to pop up in residential neighborhoods like

3506
04:25:39,220 --> 04:25:40,440
or Terry, the beautiful area.

3507
04:25:40,900 --> 04:25:42,460
And I agree with that 100%.

3508
04:25:42,460 --> 04:25:48,800
That's exactly why I suggested looking at amending the policy where nothing can go on any

3509
04:25:48,800 --> 04:25:54,780
area of smaller than five acres and the set that has to be 20% of the width of the property.

3510
04:25:55,240 --> 04:25:59,900
There's things you, I mean we did that for Sheds right now and the fact is in 25 years I'll

3511
04:25:59,900 --> 04:26:06,060
make your point for you. It hasn't exploded in 25 years. You know it's been kept to a pretty normal

3512
04:26:06,060 --> 04:26:11,960
minimum. So now all of a sudden because one person gets a complaint and then once you start let

3513
04:26:11,960 --> 04:26:16,820
these people bring containers on a temporary basis. Okay, they come down and get a permit,

3514
04:26:17,440 --> 04:26:21,600
permit expires in 60 days or 90 days. Then, code enforcement has to go back out and see

3515
04:26:21,600 --> 04:26:27,040
if they've taken it off. So, what you do, if we have to do the staff to do that, John,

3516
04:26:27,180 --> 04:26:27,880
I'd be with you on a person.

3517
04:26:27,880 --> 04:26:33,780
But I suggest the solution to all the ordinances that we're not enforcing is simply not

3518
04:26:33,780 --> 04:26:39,700
writing them off if they serve a purpose. The intention should be to enforce those that serve

3519
04:26:39,700 --> 04:26:45,080
purpose. Now you, as policy makers, have to decide whether it's a valid purpose to allow

3520
04:26:45,080 --> 04:26:50,220
storage containers to be used as permanent accessory structures in residential and

3521
04:26:50,220 --> 04:26:56,960
or commercial value. That's your policy decision. But I'm not sure we should automatically

3522
04:26:56,960 --> 04:27:01,440
eliminate every ordinance that we have in force just because we didn't have the man

3523
04:27:01,440 --> 04:27:04,540
power to do it or the will to do it.

3524
04:27:04,540 --> 04:27:07,340
and I'm not suggesting it in any way, shape or form.

3525
04:27:07,700 --> 04:27:12,540
What I'm suggesting is that, you know, eyes in the beauty, beauty in the eye, the bearholder.

3526
04:27:12,820 --> 04:27:17,900
You know, what's one person's art is another person's disaster, you know, and it's a big

3527
04:27:17,900 --> 04:27:18,220
box.

3528
04:27:18,340 --> 04:27:19,620
But so is utility shed.

3529
04:27:19,900 --> 04:27:20,320
So what do you do?

3530
04:27:20,500 --> 04:27:23,000
Do we require people to put lattice work on your utility shed?

3531
04:27:23,120 --> 04:27:23,800
So they look nicer.

3532
04:27:24,340 --> 04:27:26,580
You know, it's a storage shed is what it is, you know?

3533
04:27:26,580 --> 04:27:31,900
And if you've got one, I'm not advocating a 60 foot long storage shed on a residential

3534
04:27:31,900 --> 04:27:32,500
lot.

3535
04:27:32,500 --> 04:27:36,760
What I'm saying is is if someone's got a purpose and they have five acres to mold

3536
04:27:36,760 --> 04:27:40,960
They probably got a pretty good size more and whatever the yard equipment that weedwackers

3537
04:27:40,960 --> 04:27:45,080
You know because a lot of places don't have an existing garage. What do you put the stuff?

3538
04:27:45,120 --> 04:27:51,520
So we're gonna put a utility shed and make a poor slab put a utility shed or they're gonna have a one that's already made up

3539
04:27:51,520 --> 04:27:57,700
There's 10 times stronger and more substantial than what you can buy on people and those aren't cheap either

3540
04:27:57,700 --> 04:28:01,360
You know, I priced him out there $12, $400 and that's about what these utility

3541
04:28:01,360 --> 04:28:04,320
I mean, what these storage containers, you know, cost.

3542
04:28:04,800 --> 04:28:07,120
So I don't think people are doing it for a cost factor.

3543
04:28:07,540 --> 04:28:09,160
I think they're doing it because they know

3544
04:28:09,160 --> 04:28:11,100
that what they put in there is secure.

3545
04:28:11,760 --> 04:28:15,720
And it's not going to blow away in Hurricane Martha, you know,

3546
04:28:15,720 --> 04:28:16,820
and I think that's what it is.

3547
04:28:17,220 --> 04:28:21,020
So listen, you know, I'm just one of one of a board of four people,

3548
04:28:21,200 --> 04:28:23,100
you know, and I'm just making a suggestion

3549
04:28:23,640 --> 04:28:25,260
that I think the one thing that we do,

3550
04:28:25,300 --> 04:28:27,760
I'd rather have my code enforcement not doing things,

3551
04:28:27,800 --> 04:28:31,120
you know, that are more beneficial to the residents of the town,

3552
04:28:31,120 --> 04:28:35,620
They're going out trying to hunt down to find out if somebody's put a 10 acres or

3553
04:28:35,620 --> 04:28:41,820
a 5 acres, put up one of these containers, and they're going out and trying to harass them

3554
04:28:41,820 --> 04:28:46,660
and then we go to the court enforcement and it has to go before the magistrate, and it's just

3555
04:28:47,820 --> 04:28:54,320
I would like to find some way that we can accommodate people without creating a match of nightmare.

3556
04:28:54,640 --> 04:28:55,240
And that's all it is.

3557
04:28:55,560 --> 04:28:56,900
I mean, I don't have one.

3558
04:28:56,900 --> 04:29:01,100
I never replace my utility, so I got a little pump shape, but the thing is, is

3559
04:29:01,100 --> 04:29:06,080
that my area is not the place for you know because I have an acre and a half but I think

3560
04:29:06,080 --> 04:29:10,200
there's places you know with five acres or larger that if they need that for their agricultural

3561
04:29:10,200 --> 04:29:14,600
they decide to have an agricultural business I believe they should be afforded that right.

3562
04:29:22,860 --> 04:29:34,140
The difference between the difference between 8 by 30 of the container is it is just one

3563
04:29:36,140 --> 04:29:41,340
If you go to Home Depot to buy a utility sheet, put on your property,

3564
04:29:43,440 --> 04:29:45,580
most of them are pleasing to look at.

3565
04:29:46,700 --> 04:29:56,620
I think there is a big difference between seeing a big utility sheet that has a roof, then to see a big square metal container on property.

3566
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:15,260
Mr. Royson is exactly what I'm about to say, because I had this conversation right in the middle of taking a creek house with a guy put a storage shed. I would say it's probably 20 by 40 in the middle of his lot. We're dual doors.

3567
04:30:16,860 --> 04:30:24,020
It's really pretty. And not only did we do one, we did two, right? So on two different properties.

3568
04:30:24,520 --> 04:30:30,840
So I had never, and he explained to me that it was, in the ordinance, they could do that.

3569
04:30:31,400 --> 04:30:36,160
And I, and I just have a real hard time going down the street, looking at this thing in the middle of the street.

3570
04:30:36,320 --> 04:30:38,940
Our middle of the, of the lot amongst all the nice houses.

3571
04:30:40,640 --> 04:30:49,680
So, I suggest that if the reason we're having this conversation is because we have selectively decided to ignore it.

3572
04:30:50,560 --> 04:30:55,060
No, no, we're not selective in signing any of that bill.

3573
04:30:55,600 --> 04:30:56,980
Sure we have.

3574
04:30:57,280 --> 04:30:59,560
Because we drove about three or four to get there.

3575
04:30:59,940 --> 04:31:02,520
So we're not right enough, everyone we can see.

3576
04:31:02,940 --> 04:31:05,680
So the person that gets written up has a feeling that,

3577
04:31:06,320 --> 04:31:08,960
OK, if you don't write me up, want you write up those six

3578
04:31:08,960 --> 04:31:10,860
other guys down the street for me.

3579
04:31:11,320 --> 04:31:13,220
So that's a little active.

3580
04:31:13,640 --> 04:31:14,280
In person.

3581
04:31:14,420 --> 04:31:16,740
Well, that's every single code enforcement case in existence.

3582
04:31:16,740 --> 04:31:19,720
And every single person, every single person that's a violation,

3583
04:31:20,500 --> 04:31:22,260
says, why don't you know, this person, this person,

3584
04:31:22,380 --> 04:31:24,000
that's just nature of code enforcement.

3585
04:31:24,500 --> 04:31:26,620
There's been kicked over one side of their multiple violations

3586
04:31:26,620 --> 04:31:27,700
on the property.

3587
04:31:28,260 --> 04:31:30,780
We did choose that property because there was a containment

3588
04:31:30,780 --> 04:31:31,140
on it.

3589
04:31:31,200 --> 04:31:32,340
There are multiple violations.

3590
04:31:32,780 --> 04:31:34,980
Once we went to property, they contained one of them,

3591
04:31:34,980 --> 04:31:36,380
of course, we included them.

3592
04:31:36,560 --> 04:31:39,420
With a commercial, again, you want to receive the commissioners,

3593
04:31:39,640 --> 04:31:42,280
directly to start doing a better work conference

3594
04:31:42,280 --> 04:31:44,120
of job, opening up so much for our slurry,

3595
04:31:44,120 --> 04:31:48,080
We're doing that, we're promising this container,

3596
04:31:48,760 --> 04:31:49,920
we're doing some violations.

3597
04:31:50,160 --> 04:31:51,740
We're going to be some more coming.

3598
04:31:52,440 --> 04:31:53,880
So as far as that goes, now at the time,

3599
04:31:54,860 --> 04:31:59,360
if you want us to, the plan is right now they're not allowed.

3600
04:31:59,800 --> 04:32:01,260
We'll be using violations for them.

3601
04:32:02,420 --> 04:32:04,120
If you want us to be with different policy,

3602
04:32:04,280 --> 04:32:06,680
obviously we'll hold off on figures for you.

3603
04:32:06,880 --> 04:32:07,840
Do you look at that issue,

3604
04:32:08,460 --> 04:32:12,000
depending if they're the hearing process to change the policy?

3605
04:32:12,000 --> 04:32:17,720
But, yes, you could go buy a dozen commercial properties and see the tenderness of our lives.

3606
04:32:17,900 --> 04:32:22,220
You could go buy another property and pretend to see another violation here or there.

3607
04:32:23,840 --> 04:32:28,840
We're trying to get a more comprehensive and proactive approach to dealing with these areas,

3608
04:32:29,120 --> 04:32:30,180
which seems to be the desire.

3609
04:32:30,800 --> 04:32:32,760
And this is something that will happen because of that.

3610
04:32:33,660 --> 04:32:35,260
So, actually, it's not going to be very good time.

3611
04:32:35,620 --> 04:32:37,740
It's that you could be doing this.

3612
04:32:38,100 --> 04:32:39,700
Do we want to do it or don't we?

3613
04:32:39,700 --> 04:32:49,360
Well, by and large we've been a complaint driven code enforcement process and we really haven't said all right today is container day tomorrow's sign day

3614
04:32:49,360 --> 04:32:51,840
You know next day. If Wednesdays is always

3615
04:32:51,840 --> 04:32:57,820
some card day, but I think there's been ashore to be done on multiple occasions not to be

3616
04:32:57,820 --> 04:32:59,600
Complaint driven to be

3617
04:32:59,600 --> 04:33:01,080
We're driven by the ordinance

3618
04:33:01,080 --> 04:33:08,380
Not because I've been quite about your property and drove by his property with the same knowledge and I do remember some years ago

3619
04:33:08,380 --> 04:33:12,240
There was a subdivision by subdivision suite by code enforcement.

3620
04:33:13,240 --> 04:33:16,120
I don't know how many subdivisions they got through before they were tired.

3621
04:33:16,380 --> 04:33:16,840
I don't know.

3622
04:33:17,240 --> 04:33:20,700
But I do remember there was, you know, like spot in the sun one time.

3623
04:33:20,940 --> 04:33:22,020
And we had do very gardens.

3624
04:33:22,980 --> 04:33:24,860
And, you know, a spot in the middle.

3625
04:33:26,740 --> 04:33:27,800
Tell where people that live there.

3626
04:33:27,960 --> 04:33:28,840
So I wouldn't say that.

3627
04:33:29,500 --> 04:33:32,940
So I had that same discussion with code enforcement many times.

3628
04:33:33,180 --> 04:33:33,780
Just this year.

3629
04:33:36,360 --> 04:33:41,180
It's tough to go down the street and issue violation of which to run a house when you see

3630
04:33:41,180 --> 04:33:47,180
six others with the exact same violation on the way, and we have that discussion and we will be.

3631
04:33:47,320 --> 04:33:49,920
But we've been talking about that for years, Bill.

3632
04:33:50,260 --> 04:33:54,940
Well, not necessarily a fear, but people in this community have been talking about that for years.

3633
04:33:55,100 --> 04:33:57,280
Yes, the community has, but the board has not.

3634
04:33:57,280 --> 04:33:58,520
I just said that.

3635
04:33:58,520 --> 04:34:03,340
I say, this group has not, but the community has said, we want this to be driven by the

3636
04:34:03,340 --> 04:34:04,560
ordinance, not by complaint.

3637
04:34:05,400 --> 04:34:09,240
But you are always going to have complaints, and we have to rest at the complaint.

3638
04:34:09,820 --> 04:34:12,820
Well, I just don't have to, you tell us just ignore all of the complaints.

3639
04:34:14,020 --> 04:34:17,400
No matter how proactive it is, there are still always going to be complaints, and we don't

3640
04:34:17,400 --> 04:34:18,380
have to be checked into them.

3641
04:34:18,980 --> 04:34:20,800
But yeah, and that's going to be a huge burden for a long time.

3642
04:34:21,580 --> 04:34:22,620
I agree with you.

3643
04:34:22,740 --> 04:34:25,120
It's sort of, something's not right about it.

3644
04:34:25,120 --> 04:34:28,040
and issue a single violation of a single reference

3645
04:34:28,040 --> 04:34:30,040
when you see the other violence in the wrong way

3646
04:34:30,040 --> 04:34:33,480
of the same type, particularly the same type.

3647
04:34:34,280 --> 04:34:37,160
Or any time, you drive back and say it right now.

3648
04:34:37,520 --> 04:34:39,320
Now sometimes, some of these streets

3649
04:34:39,700 --> 04:34:42,040
can take you, come along and see if we can get this green

3650
04:34:42,040 --> 04:34:43,620
when we're going to the fight first came from.

3651
04:34:43,840 --> 04:34:45,260
When you stop to every house in all the way,

3652
04:34:45,480 --> 04:34:46,540
they can be the violence should be done.

3653
04:34:46,880 --> 04:34:49,280
Well, I think one of the things we probably don't utilize

3654
04:34:49,280 --> 04:34:51,860
as much as we could is the door hanger.

3655
04:34:52,760 --> 04:34:54,840
You see the violation, you don't have time.

3656
04:34:54,840 --> 04:34:58,960
on your way, you've already got a full plate, you put the door hanger, you note the address

3657
04:34:58,960 --> 04:35:02,340
so you can go back and check on it, and then do that formal process.

3658
04:35:02,720 --> 04:35:06,920
I'm sure they do use door hangers because they've got them, I remember, do we have one

3659
04:35:06,920 --> 04:35:07,560
door hanger?

3660
04:35:07,740 --> 04:35:08,020
Department?

3661
04:35:08,260 --> 04:35:09,060
Have you got a door hanger?

3662
04:35:09,980 --> 04:35:11,900
Not lately, not this week.

3663
04:35:12,620 --> 04:35:17,760
He's got a different process by which, I'm going to give him credit, or whoever's in your

3664
04:35:17,760 --> 04:35:23,440
department, they send him a card, and they solve the approach, and they'd be getting

3665
04:35:23,440 --> 04:35:29,300
really good results. So they've been doing some of that. The issue is as he knows this as well as

3666
04:35:29,300 --> 04:35:36,020
say all of us. This whole business about proactive code enforcement is a main piece on his

3667
04:35:36,020 --> 04:35:40,880
plate that's the issue of getting the people out or getting a person out there to get it done.

3668
04:35:41,640 --> 04:35:44,540
So that goes back to this thing. What do we all do with it?

3669
04:35:44,880 --> 04:35:47,500
I mean, we can ask this question about what we're going to do before you decide.

3670
04:35:48,400 --> 04:35:53,000
I'm sorry, okay. What are we going to do with this? I mean, I'm not in favor of change

3671
04:35:53,000 --> 04:35:56,000
enormous, I'll be honest with you.

3672
04:35:56,640 --> 04:35:58,040
So I'm going to get an ordinance keep the ordinance

3673
04:35:58,040 --> 04:36:02,020
way of this, but if so, then now here's what's going

3674
04:36:02,020 --> 04:36:02,560
to happen.

3675
04:36:03,260 --> 04:36:05,220
You're going to start going out, and all these people

3676
04:36:05,220 --> 04:36:08,100
who have money on their property right now,

3677
04:36:08,380 --> 04:36:10,280
is a notice that they're going to have to move.

3678
04:36:10,480 --> 04:36:11,300
That includes a county.

3679
04:36:12,500 --> 04:36:14,380
So that becomes a dilemma.

3680
04:36:16,700 --> 04:36:18,260
If the county has to move, the county has to move.

3681
04:36:18,500 --> 04:36:19,540
Well, there's a dilemma.

3682
04:36:20,040 --> 04:36:21,300
We can reality it is.

3683
04:36:22,840 --> 04:36:30,300
John, we do years and years, and you mentioned about bringing in three double wives and screwed

3684
04:36:30,300 --> 04:36:30,900
them together.

3685
04:36:31,400 --> 04:36:32,140
So we change your order.

3686
04:36:32,240 --> 04:36:36,060
So it says now if you bring in a trailer in an older trailer, it was made after 1976,

3687
04:36:36,840 --> 04:36:38,300
it has to be inspected by an engineer.

3688
04:36:38,920 --> 04:36:40,280
So you can't put three trailers in.

3689
04:36:40,360 --> 04:36:41,960
And I'm just using that as an example.

3690
04:36:42,580 --> 04:36:43,600
We know that.

3691
04:36:43,660 --> 04:36:47,080
When we had the culvert problem, when we were digging out people who drive ways and we didn't

3692
04:36:47,080 --> 04:36:47,900
replace them.

3693
04:36:47,980 --> 04:36:48,700
We changed that.

3694
04:36:49,140 --> 04:36:49,160
All right.

3695
04:36:49,160 --> 04:36:53,440
Why can't we say the people the current is so we don't see but like these things

3696
04:36:53,440 --> 04:36:59,680
Scraughting like Petunia's all of a sudden did I think a lot of the fear is what do we say okay after January 1 of

3697
04:37:02,340 --> 04:37:10,160
2015-16 no more containers no more containers so then we have a concrete thing to tell when they come into planning and zoning or try to move on it

3698
04:37:10,160 --> 04:37:12,160
Stop it

3699
04:37:16,620 --> 04:37:18,440
I'm just using a hypothetical day.

3700
04:37:19,740 --> 04:37:21,200
It's a grand father-in.

3701
04:37:21,340 --> 04:37:24,400
You know, if it's been there for 10 years, 15 years,

3702
04:37:24,640 --> 04:37:26,600
like there's Sheds, like anything else that we did.

3703
04:37:30,000 --> 04:37:36,260
Well, what I'm saying is, is that no other containers can be brought in for any reason.

3704
04:37:36,780 --> 04:37:42,940
Well, unless you could go out and stamp them with inspected by and know which ones are already here.

3705
04:37:43,260 --> 04:37:48,660
I mean, you might be able to say, well, this one has CSX on the side of me, this one has acne-free.

3706
04:37:49,340 --> 04:37:54,000
I'm not sure how you would know when they came in, because there's no permanent process for them.

3707
04:37:54,000 --> 04:38:05,140
That way, because that has multiple compliance out of its bottom of the sign, whether or not they've ever been resolved, that's defined in the top looks, leave theirs there.

3708
04:38:06,420 --> 04:38:17,780
I'm going to say, I think utility sheds out there, and you just mentioned a goodless botanist on and buildings out there, you know, that are out there, and look ten times worse than one of those cargo containers.

3709
04:38:18,600 --> 04:38:27,540
So, again, like I said, we're going to put the oneness on a department of authority stressed out because of a lack of personnel to address these code violations.

3710
04:38:28,240 --> 04:38:33,620
What's going to happen when we start writing all these violations of, you know, and notwithstanding ourselves.

3711
04:38:34,140 --> 04:38:42,600
But all the ones, I mean, if you've been out to the acreage lately, and I flew over it, you know, in an airplane, and I'm telling you, man, you've got a big problem out there.

3712
04:38:42,600 --> 04:38:46,260
you know, these kids and there's this guy selling all those lots out there with a website

3713
04:38:46,260 --> 04:38:51,100
come on here to do what you want, fire your guns, you know, whatever, and it's creating

3714
04:38:51,100 --> 04:38:56,400
some issues out there at some big time issues. And so that's just one area that you're going

3715
04:38:56,400 --> 04:38:58,840
to have to address. Now, what do you do tell them, no, we're not going to inspect that

3716
04:38:58,840 --> 04:39:01,960
because you bought way out there and that's your fault. I mean, that's what they were told

3717
04:39:01,960 --> 04:39:06,160
for years. So you still have, it's still accounting. You still have to do come for some of the

3718
04:39:06,160 --> 04:39:10,960
old accounting. And I'm just trying to, I know what Beth and Rollo are going through right now.

3719
04:39:10,960 --> 04:39:12,400
trying to keep up with what they already have.

3720
04:39:12,400 --> 04:39:13,640
It's a lot on their plate.

3721
04:39:14,040 --> 04:39:15,840
And so unless you're prepared to go out and hire

3722
04:39:15,840 --> 04:39:17,860
by our six more code enforcement people,

3723
04:39:18,280 --> 04:39:19,880
you know, it's going to be a monumental task.

3724
04:39:24,080 --> 04:39:26,040
Well, certainly was it just that people have had

3725
04:39:26,040 --> 04:39:27,380
these on their property for years,

3726
04:39:27,740 --> 04:39:28,520
don't know it's a violation.

3727
04:39:29,020 --> 04:39:30,120
Obviously not.

3728
04:39:30,780 --> 04:39:33,280
And I would agree that it will solve the process.

3729
04:39:33,460 --> 04:39:35,560
And I think many people would respond to that.

3730
04:39:38,230 --> 04:39:39,090
Saying it's a violation.

3731
04:39:39,650 --> 04:39:41,870
And you have until it's going to admit it.

3732
04:39:42,650 --> 04:39:44,910
I think especially if you're starting a new regime

3733
04:39:44,910 --> 04:39:47,870
or a new more aggressive or she and you should get warnings.

3734
04:39:48,050 --> 04:39:50,030
Well, I mean, we ought to say option.

3735
04:39:50,210 --> 04:39:51,910
Oh, if we think it's not to do it for this,

3736
04:39:52,590 --> 04:39:54,510
we look to the community and we ought to report it.

3737
04:39:56,580 --> 04:39:58,960
And that's what Beth and Timmer tried to do now.

3738
04:40:00,100 --> 04:40:02,640
Does the door hangers do that?

3739
04:40:03,200 --> 04:40:05,820
Yeah, I mean, I mean, they've always done that.

3740
04:40:06,100 --> 04:40:07,200
If it's just, they've always...

3741
04:40:07,200 --> 04:40:07,400
They've always done that.

3742
04:40:07,400 --> 04:40:07,660
They've always done that.

3743
04:40:07,940 --> 04:40:08,600
They've always done that.

3744
04:40:09,360 --> 04:40:12,000
If you really want to read the code force,

3745
04:40:12,360 --> 04:40:15,160
when you do a way with a vision that prohibits overcrow,

3746
04:40:15,160 --> 04:40:17,120
to do the way with the equation that prohibits enough jobs

3747
04:40:17,120 --> 04:40:19,120
to talk, so I'll have to make your life easier, too.

3748
04:40:20,100 --> 04:40:23,400
That's not the type of community that we want up until we can be.

3749
04:40:26,020 --> 04:40:30,720
I don't know if any circumstance where a container has been,

3750
04:40:30,740 --> 04:40:32,280
the one and only violation of the property,

3751
04:40:32,700 --> 04:40:33,640
you just don't like to see that law,

3752
04:40:33,780 --> 04:40:35,840
usually there's other stuff going on there,

3753
04:40:36,340 --> 04:40:38,780
whether we see it or whether most of them are still in planes,

3754
04:40:39,320 --> 04:40:41,640
but if that's on there, then we can put that there as well.

3755
04:40:41,640 --> 04:40:44,920
If the technical and the commercial problems,

3756
04:40:45,300 --> 04:40:47,940
again, it's one, there's several traffic trailers

3757
04:40:47,940 --> 04:40:49,980
are using for loaded and unloading up.

3758
04:40:50,200 --> 04:40:51,780
The traffic trailers themselves never moved.

3759
04:40:51,960 --> 04:40:53,400
There was put stuff in a inventory,

3760
04:40:53,640 --> 04:40:55,340
and I'm in and out, and that's what we've told them.

3761
04:40:55,620 --> 04:40:58,300
You know, they've got to get ready to have one of the

3762
04:40:58,300 --> 04:41:00,360
particularly in the office, but for the commercial,

3763
04:41:00,720 --> 04:41:01,880
yeah, as we were starting to look at these

3764
04:41:01,880 --> 04:41:04,760
a bit more closely, there's lots of commercial properties

3765
04:41:05,200 --> 04:41:08,260
that surprised me that have the containers on them.

3766
04:41:08,280 --> 04:41:09,180
It's not like you're going to say,

3767
04:41:09,180 --> 04:41:11,460
And in the end, I think it's been 30 days, or in the management.

3768
04:41:11,960 --> 04:41:15,500
No, we'll do it a time or something like this.

3769
04:41:17,440 --> 04:41:20,120
But presumably, this is where it's called policy, but it is something

3770
04:41:20,120 --> 04:41:23,480
that will have to be addressed, whether it was 90 days or 180 days or something.

3771
04:41:24,220 --> 04:41:27,580
For every told, of course, the case would get somebody says, you know, 90 time, 90 time.

3772
04:41:28,540 --> 04:41:28,900
I don't know.

3773
04:41:28,900 --> 04:41:33,720
Well, a lot of people didn't take much time to call this up on the property.

3774
04:41:34,980 --> 04:41:36,400
You know, can't give me three years to take it off.

3775
04:41:37,240 --> 04:41:47,050
It is clear to me as if it is a policy moment on these things, what do we want to do with it?

3776
04:41:47,190 --> 04:41:49,190
And again, you will believe me.

3777
04:41:49,370 --> 04:41:54,570
You will become aware very soon of every single commercial property, the Shivalation Board.

3778
04:41:55,230 --> 04:41:57,230
Well, whether I continue part of it or not.

3779
04:41:57,650 --> 04:42:02,390
I think you are already aware virtually every single commercial property, the mission violation is for the last two months.

3780
04:42:02,630 --> 04:42:06,010
Every single one has been, except for one.

3781
04:42:06,010 --> 04:42:18,910
One guy complied immediately, every other one has been a challenge, we are not getting immediate friendly cooperation, we are getting excuses, delays, and we are seeing the war.

3782
04:42:19,290 --> 04:42:20,690
And imagine you are getting phone calls.

3783
04:42:21,470 --> 04:42:21,750
Oh yeah.

3784
04:42:24,980 --> 04:42:26,300
Well, I already get phone calls.

3785
04:42:29,290 --> 04:42:30,750
Would you like to make public comment?

3786
04:42:34,190 --> 04:42:34,750
Yes.

3787
04:42:34,750 --> 04:42:40,230
So we can get your own take, or on digital, I guess we don't do tapes anymore.

3788
04:42:40,630 --> 04:42:47,850
The cards team, you may comment that if there's not a demolition, she does not make a demolition.

3789
04:42:48,250 --> 04:42:53,590
So if you make a demolition, whether it retainers already there, if she had a demolition to clean up,

3790
04:42:53,650 --> 04:42:56,350
if you don't want to retainers alone, let them touch that?

3791
04:42:56,790 --> 04:42:56,970
No.

3792
04:42:57,670 --> 04:43:02,150
Well, then if you're going to do that, if you see the container then, it needs to have a demolition.

3793
04:43:02,150 --> 04:43:08,530
It's not a thing around, but I said I hadn't been aware of this time of any violations

3794
04:43:08,530 --> 04:43:11,370
where it contained it in the one and only purpose for the violations.

3795
04:43:11,710 --> 04:43:16,670
Well, that's what I'm talking about, if you say it's not there, are you going to go get it?

3796
04:43:16,750 --> 04:43:17,630
Are you going to leave the law?

3797
04:43:17,830 --> 04:43:18,930
Of course, it's not something else there.

3798
04:43:19,110 --> 04:43:23,910
For another violation of the law, we are getting less what you just said.

3799
04:43:24,670 --> 04:43:31,670
Another thing I'd like to make common on, I've been delighted to talk first here in us on

3800
04:43:31,670 --> 04:43:36,630
dollars. There's not have any trades where it's only what the law makes you to pay

3801
04:43:36,630 --> 04:43:40,830
them all in the next section. So how can it have to of course not know what

3802
04:43:40,830 --> 04:43:45,310
steps are going to go in the straightest by the step when you do not clarify

3803
04:43:45,310 --> 04:43:50,850
exactly what's going on. Now we've got another way, stating the 20 by the 1020, we don't

3804
04:43:50,850 --> 04:43:55,070
have to explain that. It's a 215 dollar-laying by the way. Now you've got to say

3805
04:43:55,070 --> 04:44:00,810
what needs to be cleaned up. What have been done the first time that the

3806
04:44:00,810 --> 04:44:03,850
But we did have a lot of it.

3807
04:44:03,970 --> 04:44:05,590
And there wouldn't be notice violation that an

3808
04:44:05,590 --> 04:44:07,950
notice of hearing and I have a notice of it.

3809
04:44:07,970 --> 04:44:08,490
That's a lot.

3810
04:44:09,250 --> 04:44:10,190
But in there it comes.

3811
04:44:10,670 --> 04:44:12,890
This last time we got that the all the time,

3812
04:44:13,010 --> 04:44:16,150
because I told them what we had abolished it.

3813
04:44:16,830 --> 04:44:17,730
I guess so.

3814
04:44:18,030 --> 04:44:18,450
Yes, sir.

3815
04:44:18,610 --> 04:44:19,290
I'll write all three of that.

3816
04:44:20,270 --> 04:44:21,130
All right.

3817
04:44:21,430 --> 04:44:23,870
So maybe maybe if you could clean the letter,

3818
04:44:24,130 --> 04:44:25,930
or explain the letter, which is fine,

3819
04:44:26,170 --> 04:44:27,470
but that might have been helpful.

3820
04:44:29,350 --> 04:44:29,790
Okay.

3821
04:44:30,170 --> 04:44:30,590
Thank you.

3822
04:44:46,810 --> 04:44:56,630
Now, this means that anybody that has property, regardless of the acreage, this property size, those have to come off.

3823
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,520
And, you know, pretty much they're not cumbersible as successful storage structures. There are, you know, the commercial farm and properties where a lot of, they call a lot of exemptions from bill and code number stuff. So if it's a property that qualifies for the farm, bill and exemption, it's not much we can do. We certainly, we've always allowed them temporary, we've said to association with bill and permits, kind of like that. But the others, right, there's no turning, there's no limit on zoning district, partial sizing, and they know it.

3824
04:45:30,520 --> 04:45:34,760
But I mean, that's specific to containers, shipping containers.

3825
04:45:35,460 --> 04:45:36,720
Well, now, that's the case.

3826
04:45:37,160 --> 04:45:38,040
Okay, well that's the problem.

3827
04:45:38,120 --> 04:45:38,660
That's the policy.

3828
04:45:39,760 --> 04:45:44,200
And the, on the agenda item also is the talk about accessories, structures, and general

3829
04:45:44,200 --> 04:45:52,260
references, mullongs, the modular buildings, and classrooms, the modular offices, the

3830
04:45:52,260 --> 04:45:57,440
Soviet containers, factory-trailer, dollar stains, and that in the children of the years

3831
04:45:57,440 --> 04:46:03,240
have commonly come to be used for a successful story, you know, that was never the original

3832
04:46:03,240 --> 04:46:07,840
chance of that structure. So, I mean, it caused all these things. People get pretty

3833
04:46:07,840 --> 04:46:11,340
creative with them, it's restored. You know, based on everything else things, the story

3834
04:46:11,340 --> 04:46:16,560
built in is supposed to be a shadow on something that's actually built before, the billin

3835
04:46:16,560 --> 04:46:19,700
code, and it's a private permit, and the property will be paid on the site.

3836
04:46:22,860 --> 04:46:26,920
I didn't know, I see. Do you see, I actually have the appeal, but a lot right on things

3837
04:46:26,920 --> 04:46:34,020
to do in democracy and favors, but that's, this is, this is one of your primary policy

3838
04:46:34,020 --> 04:46:34,580
governments.

3839
04:46:36,360 --> 04:46:40,440
This is, you're wishing me to fire on how you want me to do it.

3840
04:46:40,440 --> 04:46:46,460
The only thing I'm looking at bill is the repercussions of us trying to make this enforcement.

3841
04:46:46,920 --> 04:46:49,380
We've got somebody out there with two hundred and fifty acres, it's got Jimmy and

3842
04:46:49,380 --> 04:46:50,580
painters on it.

3843
04:46:50,780 --> 04:46:51,880
Are we going to cite them?

3844
04:46:51,880 --> 04:46:57,720
That's what could be, probably, a commercial farming operation that's going to fall out of the exemption.

3845
04:46:58,300 --> 04:47:03,180
Okay. And they have it. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. These things will be exempted from that if it's a commercial farming operation.

3846
04:47:09,320 --> 04:47:13,480
The ground, if you want, you need to come up to Mike, if you want to talk to him, you need to get your own.

3847
04:47:14,120 --> 04:47:14,880
On the recorder.

3848
04:47:15,860 --> 04:47:15,940
What?

3849
04:47:22,680 --> 04:47:26,400
What part of it is generally having that the agricultural exemption from the

3850
04:47:26,400 --> 04:47:31,520
proper pressure? That's something we look at, but then look at the evidence of actually

3851
04:47:31,520 --> 04:47:34,640
a farmer's operation occurring on the problem.

3852
04:47:35,060 --> 04:47:37,480
Last up, that's our quarter, the can be.

3853
04:47:37,880 --> 04:47:38,680
I'm sorry.

3854
04:47:39,400 --> 04:47:39,920
Well, yes, only.

3855
04:47:40,280 --> 04:47:40,620
So, yes.

3856
04:47:40,820 --> 04:47:42,160
Who's could you have a call on me?

3857
04:47:42,500 --> 04:47:44,440
I'm a resident of property.

3858
04:47:44,860 --> 04:47:45,880
I'm going to resident of property.

3859
04:47:45,880 --> 04:47:45,980
I'm going to resident of property.

3860
04:47:46,260 --> 04:47:46,640
I'm going to call it.

3861
04:47:46,660 --> 04:47:48,960
It's something like the ball box for the course of formal operation.

3862
04:47:49,580 --> 04:47:52,020
What I would suggest to you is pull the right of format.

3863
04:47:52,760 --> 04:47:53,880
Because that is a lot of information.

3864
04:47:53,940 --> 04:47:56,800
It will help you understand just what you can.

3865
04:47:56,980 --> 04:47:57,240
You can't do.

3866
04:47:58,540 --> 04:47:59,520
I'd like to talk to you, sir.

3867
04:48:02,380 --> 04:48:02,780
Good night.

3868
04:48:02,860 --> 04:48:03,240
Good night.

3869
04:48:03,480 --> 04:48:04,640
My

3870
04:48:12,700 --> 04:48:23,520
name is Donald Brown. I am a five-day contract. I have a couple of these so-called containers.

3871
04:48:27,500 --> 04:48:33,460
And I understand there are two sides that almost anything you want to talk about.

3872
04:48:34,760 --> 04:48:37,560
side of the fact that there are containers,

3873
04:48:39,920 --> 04:48:41,700
as they were shaped a little bit different.

3874
04:48:41,800 --> 04:48:45,900
Maybe that people would exist from the fact that they're square,

3875
04:48:48,860 --> 04:48:51,120
seems to be one of the main problems.

3876
04:48:51,120 --> 04:49:04,080
We could take either this garden, build a shed over like a look like a little house or something.

3877
04:49:07,300 --> 04:49:17,500
Then it wouldn't, you know, there's a lot of problems for a lot of people to have to move all these things.

3878
04:49:17,500 --> 04:49:22,760
And it's like you said, if I can't have one, then you can't have one.

3879
04:49:23,260 --> 04:49:24,780
I mean, it's not going to be fair.

3880
04:49:26,600 --> 04:49:29,980
There's hundreds of them in the county, it's not bothering anybody.

3881
04:49:30,760 --> 04:49:36,800
Nobody's complaining about them, there's no problem except somebody made a law

3882
04:49:36,800 --> 04:49:39,900
because somebody was living in some.

3883
04:49:40,280 --> 04:49:43,060
I don't know the priority. I mean, it's months and my rights.

3884
04:49:43,180 --> 04:49:44,080
Yes, you're that's correct.

3885
04:49:44,080 --> 04:49:49,160
That shouldn't affect everybody else that's in the county.

3886
04:49:49,440 --> 04:49:53,360
It's got property that needs a storage place.

3887
04:49:54,100 --> 04:49:56,240
And these things are ideal for storage for everybody.

3888
04:49:56,440 --> 04:49:58,860
And you've talked about their strong.

3889
04:49:59,220 --> 04:50:01,560
You can walk them up and forget about it.

3890
04:50:02,140 --> 04:50:02,340
Nobody.

3891
04:50:03,560 --> 04:50:04,020
Nobody.

3892
04:50:04,020 --> 04:50:04,320
Nobody.

3893
04:50:04,320 --> 04:50:04,420
Nobody.

3894
04:50:04,420 --> 04:50:04,720
Nobody.

3895
04:50:04,720 --> 04:50:05,300
Nobody.

3896
04:50:08,040 --> 04:50:08,640
Nobody.

3897
04:50:08,640 --> 04:50:19,960
their good object in my opinion for most people, why they're such a resistance to

3898
04:50:19,960 --> 04:50:29,540
have in under-profit conditions, and is talking about the troops, the semi-trailers for

3899
04:50:29,540 --> 04:50:40,560
We've got a place in town, Dhamma Hall with his feet business, and it's ideal for his

3900
04:50:40,560 --> 04:50:40,920
business.

3901
04:50:41,260 --> 04:50:46,380
He always had come here from all over the United States or wherever he grew up in

3902
04:50:46,380 --> 04:50:52,440
Dhamma, different quality decay, so called horse hay is very expensive, and it's not even

3903
04:50:52,440 --> 04:50:59,560
strong, much, and this area, we call it as a quality of grass in here.

3904
04:51:00,120 --> 04:51:07,020
They bring it in here, but some I love, they unhook them, some ox from the truck, they sell

3905
04:51:07,020 --> 04:51:12,920
the hay out of the truck, they're straight away pick it up, because we had to even get some more.

3906
04:51:14,200 --> 04:51:26,400
You know, there are just so many occasions and so many reasons that people need these things, different ways and different places, storage,

3907
04:51:28,460 --> 04:51:34,520
there's places that I know that they don't need to be shouldn't be in and might be being misused.

3908
04:51:34,520 --> 04:51:41,800
But, to punish everybody, what goes of you, made a mistake,

3909
04:51:44,140 --> 04:51:49,880
I wish we could make it to where it's common sense and reasonable.

3910
04:51:51,100 --> 04:51:56,200
Instead of being heart-centered, we're going into square blocks.

3911
04:51:57,400 --> 04:51:58,600
I don't know what else to say.

3912
04:51:58,600 --> 04:52:06,300
I'd like to keep the ones that got very, very, very well-behaved, well-being youth, they have to be moved.

3913
04:52:07,380 --> 04:52:12,020
I mean, I think the county or the rural, there's first, I think they were the city example.

3914
04:52:13,000 --> 04:52:16,600
We've got them out in several places. The chaos got on.

3915
04:52:17,940 --> 04:52:19,300
They've got them out in there.

3916
04:52:19,320 --> 04:52:22,340
That's on the recreation area.

3917
04:52:23,180 --> 04:52:29,980
I've seen one up here by one of the buildings, I don't know the name of it, but it's...

3918
04:52:30,080 --> 04:52:53,080
Emergency tax situation there. They've got one host kind of fancy deals sitting there. And, you know, let's see, the heaven where it's done in my opinion about it, I prefer we have them, because there's too many people in need of it. And, I don't know what to say except, let's have someone since.

3919
04:52:54,600 --> 04:52:59,540
Thank you, Mr. Brown. I'm sure it was more than just the discussion some years ago.

3920
04:52:59,540 --> 04:53:06,040
whenever this was passed with more than just because somebody was living and I'm sure there was a great deal of more discussion than that.

3921
04:53:08,440 --> 04:53:13,200
And it was, I guess the, the, the never been permissible but we had enough issues over the years.

3922
04:53:13,380 --> 04:53:16,080
In a particular, when a couple of ways came in, the one way came in and said,

3923
04:53:16,160 --> 04:53:21,840
upon its county school district was giving away all the court class rooms and everybody wanted to accept them up.

3924
04:53:22,200 --> 04:53:26,460
They're, they're free to remove them and then some years ago, another way, I don't know what happened,

3925
04:53:26,660 --> 04:53:30,680
but obviously a bunch of shipping containers became available and they were just flooding in.

3926
04:53:30,680 --> 04:53:33,780
Now, whenever anybody's calls us, we always say, no, you can't do that.

3927
04:53:33,880 --> 04:53:37,660
It doesn't mean they just hang up and do it anyway.

3928
04:53:38,680 --> 04:53:42,460
We simply meant that an ordinance about 10 years ago to make it clear.

3929
04:53:43,100 --> 04:53:47,580
We believe that they were never allowed, but we simply meant that the ordinance in 2005

3930
04:53:48,620 --> 04:53:50,920
to raise in the doubt about that.

3931
04:53:51,260 --> 04:53:54,680
And we can, I say, we're about to embark on this.

3932
04:53:55,500 --> 04:54:00,680
There is a mispedant component in the land of all regulations, and that's basically mostly

3933
04:54:00,680 --> 04:54:01,700
a mispedant component.

3934
04:54:02,020 --> 04:54:06,540
You want to safely, but you also want a community that looks in a certain way.

3935
04:54:07,780 --> 04:54:11,380
So this is the opportunity to let us know what direction to go.

3936
04:54:16,960 --> 04:54:18,980
One of this is definitely a discussion item.

3937
04:54:21,160 --> 04:54:22,860
It's been a day for discussion items.

3938
04:54:23,900 --> 04:54:25,820
So it's been a day for discussion items.

3939
04:54:34,770 --> 04:54:39,190
I think what might be helpful to serve it, to make it, would maybe if you guys would tell

3940
04:54:39,190 --> 04:54:42,970
it an important talk about it and decide how you might do that and what kind of timeframe

3941
04:54:43,730 --> 04:54:50,870
you would begin in force in this kind of uniform way and how much time you're willing

3942
04:54:50,870 --> 04:54:55,710
to give people, like give them a notice in your violation, you need to have a move of January

3943
04:54:55,710 --> 04:55:04,770
first or something, if we're going to enforce it, if we're not going to enforce it, I'm opposed

3944
04:55:04,770 --> 04:55:11,370
to doing this one and that one and one down the street and not the six that we've got

3945
04:55:11,370 --> 04:55:13,610
sitting on the main drag for sitting on our property.

3946
04:55:15,190 --> 04:55:17,910
I mean, I'm a firm believer, you've got to set the example.

3947
04:55:18,630 --> 04:55:21,290
And if our example is, we don't pay any attention to the ordinance.

3948
04:55:21,290 --> 04:55:21,910
And

3949
04:55:25,370 --> 04:55:34,250
then it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's to me a little embarrassing that there might be some of these on the government property that

3950
04:55:34,250 --> 04:55:35,310
or they shouldn't be here.

3951
04:55:38,380 --> 04:55:43,100
But you know, I mean, we got, we got a sad and example we can't, I can't expect you to do something from that world on their terms.

3952
04:55:44,340 --> 04:55:49,100
I do not basically, you know, we're not going to, we're not going to offer exempt itself from everything.

3953
04:55:50,120 --> 04:55:51,700
I agree with that.

3954
04:55:52,060 --> 04:55:52,960
It's the same premise.

3955
04:55:53,240 --> 04:55:53,720
The same, yes.

3956
04:55:54,520 --> 04:55:56,120
It's a simple cheat store.

3957
04:55:56,340 --> 04:55:56,820
Popping now.

3958
04:55:56,960 --> 04:55:58,340
They've got stuck in a nice secure.

3959
04:55:59,580 --> 04:56:02,680
But is that also how we want our governmental properties to move?

3960
04:56:02,920 --> 04:56:05,080
Is that the thing that you're trying to project?

3961
04:56:07,080 --> 04:56:08,560
If you, I mean, there are things you can do.

3962
04:56:09,700 --> 04:56:11,860
If you, if you, if you build a poll bar,

3963
04:56:12,000 --> 04:56:13,980
and you can put anything in the one, you can set the poll bar.

3964
04:56:15,240 --> 04:56:17,260
So that's how something will have to double it in the past.

3965
04:56:17,260 --> 04:56:20,440
of the pole barn itself is one of these two accessories structures

3966
04:56:20,440 --> 04:56:22,720
and can't even, you know, I heard my house and all that stuff.

3967
04:56:23,180 --> 04:56:25,060
But if you build the pole barn, if you put it in the pit,

3968
04:56:25,180 --> 04:56:30,960
then it happens to be a shipping container, AX inside an authorized structure

3969
04:56:31,440 --> 04:56:33,060
and good for you.

3970
04:56:41,540 --> 04:56:46,720
Are you seriously saying that an open-sided pole barn could have a shipping

3971
04:56:46,720 --> 04:56:49,960
container dragged under it and all of a sudden it's a permissible structure?

3972
04:56:49,960 --> 04:56:51,160
No, it's not that important.

3973
04:56:51,680 --> 04:56:53,020
It's not an international structure.

3974
04:56:53,860 --> 04:56:55,740
You can have it, you can have it, you can have it.

3975
04:56:56,600 --> 04:56:58,580
It's a very simple way we can have the drug.

3976
04:56:58,880 --> 04:57:00,580
We can have it with the whole bunch of papers.

3977
04:57:01,360 --> 04:57:02,480
That's just the way it is.

3978
04:57:02,620 --> 04:57:03,300
It's an open phone.

3979
04:57:04,080 --> 04:57:06,420
Can I just suggest you to give me a painted camouflage.

3980
04:57:06,660 --> 04:57:07,660
You'll know what you'll see it.

3981
04:57:10,520 --> 04:57:11,740
Put in the picture frame.

3982
04:57:14,380 --> 04:57:14,760
Okay.

3983
04:57:15,860 --> 04:57:16,660
I think we need to put it.

3984
04:57:16,660 --> 04:57:18,040
Let's put talking about this.

3985
04:57:18,040 --> 04:57:21,520
If you also just have to address that support,

3986
04:57:24,540 --> 04:57:26,980
and I guess that's, you know, that's, of course,

3987
04:57:28,060 --> 04:57:32,840
one of the dangers of making all of this is what every, you know, that sometime came by the sword by that.

3988
04:57:34,360 --> 04:57:36,920
Sometimes, do we really do that?

3989
04:57:36,960 --> 04:57:38,040
You make me do it.

3990
04:57:39,060 --> 04:57:39,940
Excuse me?

3991
04:57:46,040 --> 04:57:47,140
I mean, it was item for discussion.

3992
04:57:47,360 --> 04:57:52,720
I mean, I think it'd be helpful, at least, for me, if we figured out how we're going to do this,

3993
04:57:52,720 --> 04:57:59,440
not enforce the ordinance. I mean, it would be helpful to me. And then, of course, obviously,

3994
04:57:59,600 --> 04:58:02,960
if we enforce the ordinance, it won't be easy for people to move. I'm assuming you had

3995
04:58:02,960 --> 04:58:06,160
to have a truck come get them. Right?

3996
04:58:08,350 --> 04:58:10,770
So you had to give, obviously, it can't be a 30 thing.

3997
04:58:11,050 --> 04:58:12,350
It probably is to be more than that.

3998
04:58:12,790 --> 04:58:16,890
I mean, if you even want to think about this world, then, because once we start, once we start,

3999
04:58:16,890 --> 04:58:22,270
you could either restart, not for the first ones, anyway, once we start in the following,

4000
04:58:22,270 --> 04:58:23,850
and we start or we don't.

4001
04:58:23,970 --> 04:58:27,930
Last thing that I believe is start and we have some people

4002
04:58:27,930 --> 04:58:30,430
have to move theirs and then at some point

4003
04:58:30,430 --> 04:58:32,930
and get some comfortable inside the stop to and then.

4004
04:58:33,370 --> 04:58:34,930
So we're going to be part of the people here

4005
04:58:34,930 --> 04:58:37,150
because the first person doesn't have to head to them there.

4006
04:58:37,310 --> 04:58:39,330
So I'm going to get them to start or we don't.

4007
04:58:39,770 --> 04:58:42,790
If they're in the city limits, does it?

4008
04:58:42,810 --> 04:58:44,090
I don't know if the city regulation is not.

4009
04:58:44,450 --> 04:58:46,010
I don't know if the city regulation is not.

4010
04:58:46,170 --> 04:58:49,050
So I'm just saying, we don't, it's not them

4011
04:58:49,050 --> 04:58:52,230
all along to our ordinance, if you tend to say landings for us.

4012
04:58:52,570 --> 04:58:59,010
Okay, I mean, I didn't make a deal, but so I think I think a number of good things

4013
04:58:59,010 --> 04:59:04,890
that come out of this discussion, number one is whatever you decide code enforcement will have

4014
04:59:04,890 --> 04:59:09,570
a validation that if that's what you want, it's not just a leftover from an older ordinance,

4015
04:59:10,250 --> 04:59:14,530
because you will get phone calls and you already have phone calls about some of the enhanced

4016
04:59:14,530 --> 04:59:16,150
code enforcement they've been doing.

4017
04:59:17,330 --> 04:59:22,110
So, but, you know, you need to, at some point, make a decision, you know, you can make

4018
04:59:22,110 --> 04:59:22,550
several of them.

4019
04:59:22,630 --> 04:59:24,590
You can say, all right, we want to think about it some more.

4020
04:59:25,070 --> 04:59:27,910
Don't really enforce the shipping and standards, no, we make a decision.

4021
04:59:28,210 --> 04:59:33,190
That sort of puts code enforcement in a bad situation, because you'll have people, next

4022
04:59:33,190 --> 04:59:36,730
or neighbors, complaining about it, especially after they've heard some of this dialogue.

4023
04:59:37,410 --> 04:59:42,050
You could say, all right, we are not inclined to change the ordinance or start the process

4024
04:59:42,050 --> 04:59:44,270
to change the ordinance, because it is an LER.

4025
04:59:44,270 --> 04:59:48,190
So I'd go to the planning board for us and then come back to you, and that's a fairly drawn-up process.

4026
04:59:49,130 --> 04:59:56,270
Or we're not inclined to change the ordinance, but we do want to see an action plan towards how you are going to address these to code enforcement.

4027
04:59:57,010 --> 04:59:59,970
So at least give them some certainty of what they should be doing with their day.

4028
05:00:03,440 --> 05:00:07,920
May 1st, I'm not in plan. If you suggest we'll be away from the board.

4029
05:00:08,580 --> 05:00:08,780
For that.

4030
05:00:10,180 --> 05:00:14,800
See, option 3 is pretty good. It's a good plan. How you going to handle it?

4031
05:00:16,880 --> 05:00:17,400
I need to do that.

4032
05:00:21,580 --> 05:00:25,120
Well, yeah. You need to have a plan, but how you going to handle it.

4033
05:00:25,240 --> 05:00:31,360
Because if you send us back to the planning board, it's going to come back.

4034
05:00:32,020 --> 05:00:36,640
negative, they're not going to go, they're not going to change us. I'm guaranteed I'm not going to change it.

4035
05:00:37,000 --> 05:00:43,440
So don't even think about that. Go set a plan. How are you going to manage the existing ordinance?

4036
05:00:43,980 --> 05:00:44,880
Come back with a plan?

4037
05:00:47,780 --> 05:00:50,000
I don't think you're going to be in a way for back and forth.

4038
05:00:50,360 --> 05:00:53,820
I mean, just move on with this there and do enforce what's there.

4039
05:00:54,540 --> 05:00:57,660
I mean, I don't like to hear that we're not going to enforce the ordinance. We're going to enforce the ordinance.

4040
05:00:57,720 --> 05:01:00,020
We're just getting forced all the ordinance up every property.

4041
05:01:04,020 --> 05:01:09,100
I think we understand that can't be simultaneously, and obviously we know it's not instantaneous.

4042
05:01:10,400 --> 05:01:15,440
So, because my thought sitting here is, you know, the shipping containers aren't permitted.

4043
05:01:15,560 --> 05:01:17,440
There is no list of where they are.

4044
05:01:17,780 --> 05:01:22,940
I mean, it's going to be as, there's some they know, but they can't possibly know where every single one is.

4045
05:01:23,220 --> 05:01:23,840
I can't imagine.

4046
05:01:24,280 --> 05:01:26,660
Because there's nothing in our records that they exist.

4047
05:01:27,300 --> 05:01:29,220
So that means they've got to find them.

4048
05:01:33,320 --> 05:01:41,890
So, when you do find them, you have to give them a certain length of time to remove them.

4049
05:01:42,190 --> 05:01:43,370
I mean, it's not like that.

4050
05:01:43,370 --> 05:01:47,790
A lot of these people that have them probably don't even have the money to remove them.

4051
05:01:48,070 --> 05:01:51,670
I will certainly accept that although we've never told anybody that they have them.

4052
05:01:51,790 --> 05:01:55,790
They call an answer and come and ask, the answer is no, you can't have that.

4053
05:01:56,610 --> 05:01:59,130
So, you know, never told anybody, can't have them.

4054
05:01:59,270 --> 05:02:01,710
I will acknowledge that they have been there for a while.

4055
05:02:01,850 --> 05:02:05,070
Some of them we probably have seen and not mentioned about.

4056
05:02:05,190 --> 05:02:06,450
They should know this for that.

4057
05:02:06,770 --> 05:02:08,430
Some violations are pretty easy.

4058
05:02:08,890 --> 05:02:14,890
The standard is 14 days to get some of their captions and go and go and be able to do the extension,

4059
05:02:15,550 --> 05:02:17,350
but you do not have to submit your attention now.

4060
05:02:17,450 --> 05:02:18,650
I can acknowledge something like this.

4061
05:02:18,870 --> 05:02:20,550
It's not a 14-day stitch.

4062
05:02:20,890 --> 05:02:24,730
If you realize you have to do that, you're going to have to find some alternative for whatever

4063
05:02:24,730 --> 05:02:30,150
I'm going to stop getting over there and if we're to be in it, so we're going to be like 15 days.

4064
05:02:31,230 --> 05:02:33,490
I assume I make a suggestion, this is something about it.

4065
05:02:33,650 --> 05:02:37,790
If we're going to do this, and if we're going to enforce this, they're going to make a suggestion.

4066
05:02:38,810 --> 05:02:42,670
But the county, let's clean out our own house first, give it a divorce.

4067
05:02:43,150 --> 05:02:49,110
Then if we're going to do this, then the people will come back to us and complain and say, we took them off our property.

4068
05:02:50,470 --> 05:02:53,850
So then at least they understand that we're not holding two standards.

4069
05:02:54,730 --> 05:02:57,350
Then if we're going to do this, let's get rid of ours first.

4070
05:02:58,050 --> 05:02:58,110
Okay.

4071
05:02:58,150 --> 05:03:03,370
And then say, okay, now we've gotten rid of ours to show good faith that we are not treating ourselves

4072
05:03:03,370 --> 05:03:05,130
any different than what we're treating you.

4073
05:03:05,290 --> 05:03:06,450
I think it should be simultaneous.

4074
05:03:07,150 --> 05:03:08,930
And I'm supposed to get with staff to get rid of ours now.

4075
05:03:09,170 --> 05:03:09,710
Please see, Bill.

4076
05:03:10,130 --> 05:03:13,410
That was the reason I said, go back and develop a plan.

4077
05:03:17,730 --> 05:03:25,990
That's what I want you to do is come back, said number one, give you what's the counties, make sure that we're clean, and then go work on the rest of the people.

4078
05:03:27,130 --> 05:03:28,010
That's a plan.

4079
05:03:28,870 --> 05:03:35,890
We can sit here and go back and forth, but Mr. Calpever just give you the basis of your plan to figure out how to get the same done.

4080
05:03:36,870 --> 05:03:42,090
And I think, but I think it's important to be clear that, for example, you're not going,

4081
05:03:42,110 --> 05:03:46,510
if you have any in-process, you're not going to just halt until you have a plan.

4082
05:03:47,210 --> 05:03:47,250
Right.

4083
05:03:47,250 --> 05:03:52,810
If you're there on some other issue, and you see it sitting right next to the junk car,

4084
05:03:53,030 --> 05:03:54,830
you're not going to ignore it because you're going to have a plan.

4085
05:03:55,210 --> 05:04:02,330
But for this, basically, broad wholesale attempt to get these under control, that's the plan you're looking for.

4086
05:04:02,330 --> 05:04:02,570
Right.

4087
05:04:02,750 --> 05:04:03,270
That's correct.

4088
05:04:13,920 --> 05:04:14,540
Thank you, Bill.

4089
05:04:14,540 --> 05:04:17,600
Thank you for the bill.

4090
05:04:17,680 --> 05:04:18,960
It's been a long day.

4091
05:04:21,920 --> 05:04:22,040
Yeah.

4092
05:04:30,240 --> 05:04:30,840
Okay.

4093
05:04:32,280 --> 05:04:35,020
Last item is a discussion fed of ramps.

4094
05:04:36,630 --> 05:04:37,310
Just not sure what.

4095
05:04:40,610 --> 05:04:45,710
So, in some doing some research on sidewalk money,

4096
05:04:46,410 --> 05:04:47,510
this is how this came about,

4097
05:04:47,990 --> 05:04:51,690
because I was looking for other ways to pay for the fastwood sidewalk

4098
05:04:51,690 --> 05:05:01,830
I came across this company who basically does research on and applies for federal grants

4099
05:05:01,830 --> 05:05:06,390
and all kinds of stuff and had an interesting conversation really it's that that I want

4100
05:05:06,390 --> 05:05:11,230
to talk about and then see if you want to move forward or look at this in a different way

4101
05:05:11,910 --> 05:05:16,850
but when I talk to this particular company they said you know pretty much I bet you had

4102
05:05:16,850 --> 05:05:22,370
quite a bit of dollars on the table in terms of federal rents and that there are lots of

4103
05:05:22,370 --> 05:05:28,910
things that are available that range from sidewalks to rural broadband, which I told

4104
05:05:28,910 --> 05:05:33,350
them I wasn't interested in, to cultural facilities,

4105
05:05:36,330 --> 05:05:39,230
to ambulance equipment, fire trucks,

4106
05:05:40,030 --> 05:05:48,290
schools, water and wastewater, and that's why I kind of bring those out because of the cost of this.

4107
05:05:48,690 --> 05:05:55,930
You know, but there were so many grants and they said that they returned on investment for the cost of them doing all of that to make those applications.

4108
05:05:56,290 --> 05:06:00,710
And probably on behalf of the county is from as small as a three to one.

4109
05:06:00,710 --> 05:06:08,170
So, for instance, if it's $100,000 to hire these people, you're getting about $3 million in return.

4110
05:06:08,930 --> 05:06:12,210
Usually that's what happens, and he said, as it's high as $10 to 1.

4111
05:06:13,210 --> 05:06:23,610
So, it's just, I thought it was an interesting concept that you have somebody out there who's actually hunting down these dollars and applying them for them for you.

4112
05:06:23,670 --> 05:06:27,730
Based on the certain check list that you tell them, these are the ones I want you to go look for.

4113
05:06:27,730 --> 05:06:35,770
And, you know, but will maybe, you know, since it could help the school who's in the process and I haven't talked to them about any of this.

4114
05:06:36,510 --> 05:06:39,870
But, you know, it could help maybe the school looking for dollars to build a new high school.

4115
05:06:40,390 --> 05:06:45,110
I thought about oh you way and some of the things that they're trying to do.

4116
05:06:45,670 --> 05:06:47,910
And, you know, really need only look at state dollars.

4117
05:06:48,410 --> 05:06:51,050
On our side was very little federal dollars we look at.

4118
05:06:51,130 --> 05:06:54,610
And I understand your position on federal dollars and actually,

4119
05:06:55,230 --> 05:06:59,550
Interestingly enough, that is a concept that may even bring out by a lot of people don't

4120
05:06:59,550 --> 05:07:02,510
is because they don't feel like the federal government can afford it.

4121
05:07:02,710 --> 05:07:05,230
But there are potentially programs sitting there that are funded.

4122
05:07:06,530 --> 05:07:09,810
I mean, and it goes on into housing and I mean, which I'm not interested in the housing

4123
05:07:09,810 --> 05:07:10,430
dollars either.

4124
05:07:10,910 --> 05:07:15,990
But I just thought it was interesting that there was a whole list of things that are out there

4125
05:07:15,990 --> 05:07:20,590
and available for funding, a few of those which we already have budgeted in, you know,

4126
05:07:20,590 --> 05:07:26,510
and are intending to spend their own dollars on and thought maybe we would be interested in pursuing another source.

4127
05:07:35,710 --> 05:07:48,790
Hearing them does not fall in our procurement policy, so we definitely want to go out to bid and see who else is out there. I'm not advocating any one group, but definitely was like, okay, well, we could, you know, right now.

4128
05:07:49,310 --> 05:07:52,530
Our P, and put it out there and see who else would respond.

4129
05:07:55,110 --> 05:08:04,830
Well, this is a philosophical thing, and like I've explained, realistically that if we turn

4130
05:08:04,830 --> 05:08:09,710
a grant down, doesn't mean that everybody else is going to say, well, you know, I know

4131
05:08:09,710 --> 05:08:13,130
what's irresponsible because the government, you know, shouldn't be, and it's going to stop

4132
05:08:13,130 --> 05:08:13,950
them for it.

4133
05:08:13,950 --> 05:08:19,050
As long as there's politicians and we're all one of them, you know, in Tallahassee and

4134
05:08:19,050 --> 05:08:22,850
in Washington, that one of the things they're going to do is they're going to offer these grants,

4135
05:08:23,170 --> 05:08:28,650
and especially if you're a county of critical need, and you're in the internal part

4136
05:08:28,650 --> 05:08:32,730
of the state, well, we don't have the benefits of the outside parts of the state's town.

4137
05:08:33,490 --> 05:08:38,110
I think it's unrealistic to say, well, because we don't take it, that they'll stop doing.

4138
05:08:38,170 --> 05:08:39,570
They're going to continue doing it.

4139
05:08:39,730 --> 05:08:44,850
And many things that we have seen in services is completely funded by Ramon, so if it wasn't for

4140
05:08:44,850 --> 05:08:48,570
that we may not be able to offer that benefit to a lot of people.

4141
05:08:49,250 --> 05:08:53,830
So I'm of the firm belief that there's grants out there available and it will improve

4142
05:08:53,830 --> 05:08:58,250
the quality of life of the residents, of what we shall be, or whatever other county.

4143
05:08:58,910 --> 05:09:00,570
Then I'm all for checking in those grants.

4144
05:09:00,730 --> 05:09:04,810
Some of them may be of a match that we can't afford, and that when you have the pass on.

4145
05:09:05,410 --> 05:09:11,430
But I think once that we have a grant, a match that's realistic, I just may, you know,

4146
05:09:11,630 --> 05:09:14,410
and I'm not debating anybody who's good, better than the other way.

4147
05:09:14,410 --> 05:09:19,670
That's just my philosophical view, is that if it's something that we can do to make our community safer,

4148
05:09:21,730 --> 05:09:25,950
I'd like to look at it, you know, and this is the way everybody knows if you try to go and do this yourself,

4149
05:09:26,490 --> 05:09:30,030
you don't have the access to the people that are actually doing these grants.

4150
05:09:30,510 --> 05:09:35,870
And it would take so much time, or if you pay somebody to do that for you and pay them a commission to do it,

4151
05:09:35,950 --> 05:09:37,190
I think it's responsible.

4152
05:09:37,190 --> 05:09:41,130
And I would certainly like to utilize any possible means that we can.

4153
05:09:41,290 --> 05:09:47,710
To fix the things we need to do because we don't have those dollars of a lot of the areas, the coastal areas now.

4154
05:09:48,170 --> 05:09:49,470
So, I'm all about it.

4155
05:09:49,530 --> 05:09:53,690
You know, if the board sees fit to contract with someone,

4156
05:09:54,070 --> 05:09:56,190
but RFP, I'm behind 100%.

4157
05:09:56,890 --> 05:09:58,390
I am too hot.

4158
05:09:59,110 --> 05:10:03,110
Did Clyde's County was there to regret their high school?

4159
05:10:04,130 --> 05:10:09,590
It is great funded, it wasn't, yeah. I just don't know how much it was where I funded.

4160
05:10:10,110 --> 05:10:17,890
It was a significant amount of money, and I think there was more state than federal, but it was really surprised what they received.

4161
05:10:19,190 --> 05:10:19,970
I'll make sure you put it in there.

4162
05:10:22,670 --> 05:10:30,450
Well, I think what Robby was focused on too is this particular individual or this company basically, so they have a fairly decent record.

4163
05:10:33,170 --> 05:10:42,910
And given that they're record, even though we got to go up for here, I mean, I think going out for these particular grants and trying to at least find the money for sidewalks and things with that sort.

4164
05:10:43,970 --> 05:10:44,510
That's a good opportunity.

4165
05:10:44,670 --> 05:10:49,690
At least take a look at it and see what the viable by tell our viability of it is.

4166
05:10:49,930 --> 05:10:54,430
If it's something good, then because if we don't ever take a look at things, we never know if it's good or bad or different.

4167
05:10:55,370 --> 05:11:03,370
So at least I would like to go out and take a look at it and create the RAP and go for it.

4168
05:11:03,510 --> 05:11:07,150
No, we should have more information if you want to move forward.

4169
05:11:07,590 --> 05:11:10,430
It shouldn't be too hard to nail down who's successful and who's not.

4170
05:11:10,730 --> 05:11:10,750
Right.

4171
05:11:10,810 --> 05:11:11,890
That should be pretty easy to pinpoint.

4172
05:11:15,890 --> 05:11:17,510
Yes, just with school of starting,

4173
05:11:20,350 --> 05:11:24,110
you just see how many places need sidewalls.

4174
05:11:26,170 --> 05:11:29,110
We definitely need to be more mobile right.

4175
05:11:30,450 --> 05:11:31,310
Protester in mobile.

4176
05:11:31,530 --> 05:11:32,290
I should say.

4177
05:11:32,870 --> 05:11:34,370
I'm already bad at hunting the sidewalks.

4178
05:11:34,410 --> 05:11:36,850
I think we do the drainage and reset those positions.

4179
05:11:38,210 --> 05:11:42,930
I mean, those people have been promised for a long time that we were going to work to do something,

4180
05:11:43,230 --> 05:11:46,310
especially in the Wichbring Pines area, which really, really bad.

4181
05:11:47,190 --> 05:11:50,510
And to do the sidewalks in conjunction with resetting those elevations,

4182
05:11:50,510 --> 05:11:56,590
Can that drain the job there's going to be, you know, if you truly want to attract new people into a community

4183
05:11:57,110 --> 05:12:02,950
These things that you do are going to make it just exactly to be attractive to someone by those lots of

4184
05:12:02,950 --> 05:12:04,510
And start to add to what tax base

4185
05:12:09,570 --> 05:12:11,010
So a few other little things

4186
05:12:11,850 --> 05:12:13,090
We're done with the regular agenda

4187
05:12:13,650 --> 05:12:20,470
I mentioned this I think during the workshop we have a request from

4188
05:12:22,650 --> 05:12:30,670
ready to write a letter or support to them for a heartland, ready, rural development grant

4189
05:12:30,670 --> 05:12:36,950
application that is being submitted to the Department of Economic Opportunity and so I just

4190
05:12:36,950 --> 05:12:42,930
want to know if the board wants to do that. I have a sample letter here that we can use and I

4191
05:12:42,930 --> 05:12:50,130
would say put the chair signature on it. I just have a new resolution today. Okay. So you may want

4192
05:12:50,130 --> 05:12:54,270
to check your email. I just saw it already after lunch.

4193
05:12:54,550 --> 05:12:59,050
I didn't see it. Mark Morton sent it to me wanted to know.

4194
05:12:59,290 --> 05:13:04,410
It's a resolution piece that they want for us to sign off on.

4195
05:13:05,570 --> 05:13:08,290
That was not in one of my.

4196
05:13:08,450 --> 05:13:10,150
It wasn't.

4197
05:13:11,110 --> 05:13:13,410
That's all in it. I think that's it.

4198
05:13:23,620 --> 05:13:32,720
Let me send that to you and maybe we can put that back on because this is a resolution document

4199
05:13:32,720 --> 05:13:37,480
that came out or meeting in the rules in Orlando a couple of months ago.

4200
05:13:37,680 --> 05:13:38,340
That's the same one.

4201
05:13:38,480 --> 05:13:39,760
It's very summer to that.

4202
05:13:40,040 --> 05:13:41,680
But I think they have modified it.

4203
05:13:45,310 --> 05:13:46,270
What is this for?

4204
05:13:47,430 --> 05:13:49,890
It's for a grant to fund Freddie basically.

4205
05:13:50,450 --> 05:13:54,970
They don't have very little operating dollars except for what the counties are contributing.

4206
05:13:54,970 --> 05:14:04,190
and so they don't have an executive director. Currently there's she was designed I guess

4207
05:14:04,190 --> 05:14:08,930
and now she's a consultant and just to handling the Florida broadband stuff. Finishing

4208
05:14:08,930 --> 05:14:15,750
that up so you know they're pretty group is looking for a way to find funding sources to

4209
05:14:15,750 --> 05:14:21,390
continue on and the regional planning board of South West Florida.

4210
05:14:21,390 --> 05:14:23,230
No, it's self-west.

4211
05:14:23,250 --> 05:14:23,850
Oh, self-west.

4212
05:14:24,070 --> 05:14:24,290
We can.

4213
05:14:25,070 --> 05:14:27,090
It is writing the grant to them.

4214
05:14:27,270 --> 05:14:28,530
They're actually sick.

4215
05:14:28,770 --> 05:14:29,990
Well, maybe this is two things.

4216
05:14:30,430 --> 05:14:31,410
I think they're two different things.

4217
05:14:31,410 --> 05:14:32,710
This may be two different things,

4218
05:14:32,790 --> 05:14:35,270
because this is a resolution that come out,

4219
05:14:35,350 --> 05:14:36,890
because of the grant process,

4220
05:14:37,030 --> 05:14:39,410
says that you have to use,

4221
05:14:40,150 --> 05:14:42,470
you cannot get the money in two,

4222
05:14:42,670 --> 05:14:43,350
you use money,

4223
05:14:43,510 --> 05:14:45,290
and we wanted to change the process

4224
05:14:45,290 --> 05:14:46,810
so that we could get the grant

4225
05:14:46,810 --> 05:14:48,630
so that we could hire the person.

4226
05:14:48,630 --> 05:14:51,490
So the EO said you could not.

4227
05:14:51,910 --> 05:14:53,670
The EO gives Freddie money as well.

4228
05:14:53,670 --> 05:14:55,210
This is an addition to that.

4229
05:14:55,590 --> 05:14:59,650
And what that discussion was about is that...

4230
05:15:00,530 --> 05:15:28,270
Genie had told the board was, it's always paying reimbursing. You don't have money up front and solicitation on money front. You can't pay the person. So if you can't pay the person, you have nothing to reimburse. Does it not have a cap? Well, a little cash. So that was kind of, they're in a financial financial impact on us. They just want to write a letter. Right. The letter for the grant is all we're on what I'm asking is just that the board write a letter to Freddie and support of the grant application that goes to DEO. That's all it is.

4231
05:15:30,630 --> 05:15:35,950
We're all fine with that. Yeah, there's right because they stayed how much I asked before about it

4232
05:15:35,950 --> 05:15:42,410
Not in the letter. No, I could find out for you how much I think it's 145. That's a tire and 45

4233
05:15:44,010 --> 05:15:46,950
This one is allocated already. It's just the process

4234
05:15:46,950 --> 05:15:54,550
They're asking for the money, but which the other process on this resolution is to change how it's the green underbody

4235
05:15:54,550 --> 05:16:00,510
Right now you have to spend your own dollars and get a reimbursement process and reimbursement process is being held up

4236
05:16:00,530 --> 05:16:07,810
anywhere between one quarter to two quarters. So it's not really conducive of what we

4237
05:16:07,810 --> 05:16:12,430
are trying to do. So they wanted to change it around so that you would get the money

4238
05:16:12,430 --> 05:16:17,290
and then report it back on a quarterly basis how are you used the money. So I just

4239
05:16:17,290 --> 05:16:22,770
think that wasn't the resolution to hear. Thank you. Okay, so we'll have. You're okay with

4240
05:16:22,770 --> 05:16:27,150
more, couple

4241
05:16:31,560 --> 05:16:37,500
of real quick updates. I did talk to Ed Mayer early last week about the status

4242
05:16:37,500 --> 05:16:42,260
of Okotini, and so I'm going to try as I hear, make sure that I report to the board

4243
05:16:42,260 --> 05:16:49,960
what's going on. And just three pieces of information they have done a tree survey, and

4244
05:16:49,960 --> 05:16:55,260
I've decided what they're going to do as far as retaining trees. They have consulted with

4245
05:16:55,260 --> 05:17:02,740
affluent, affluent consultants to get a different ideas and thoughts on technology for

4246
05:17:02,740 --> 05:17:10,300
handling the waste other than what they're currently hearing and they have hired a design

4247
05:17:10,300 --> 05:17:20,100
architect to design the what they call the downtown area of the developer. So that's the status

4248
05:17:20,100 --> 05:17:27,200
of where they're at. The county has one piece that we're looking at and that has to do with

4249
05:17:27,200 --> 05:17:33,660
the hog island portion and as you may recall the EP in their agreement with us says that

4250
05:17:33,660 --> 05:17:38,080
they have revenue reversions that they would like to have and when we dealt with this before with

4251
05:17:38,080 --> 05:17:47,120
Randall Henderson, there's some discussion about what those dollars might be. So, in looking at that

4252
05:17:47,620 --> 05:17:52,600
in handling it, we may want to look at, do we want to, do we want to, do Reven

4253
05:17:52,600 --> 05:17:57,100
and Sharon, or should we request it as outright own the hog line on piece of

4254
05:17:57,100 --> 05:18:03,880
opportunity? And see what DEP thinks, you know, it would cost to basically pay them

4255
05:18:03,880 --> 05:18:05,620
for that property and then own it outright.

4256
05:18:08,600 --> 05:18:12,440
And then that would be done and over with, they would have their revenue, they wouldn't be

4257
05:18:12,440 --> 05:18:16,780
wondering what's the guarantee, you know, on the revenue, because, you know, none of us have

4258
05:18:16,780 --> 05:18:22,020
crystal ball to save what this development is going to literally generate over what percentage

4259
05:18:22,020 --> 05:18:26,940
of this idea. Just the hog island piece which is the back piece from the boat ramps.

4260
05:18:26,940 --> 05:18:28,220
That's the percentage of the property.

4261
05:18:28,900 --> 05:18:33,840
You know, it's about 50% percent.

4262
05:18:34,820 --> 05:18:36,920
That's kind of what they own if they own it.

4263
05:18:36,920 --> 05:18:38,300
We've versioned it. Yes.

4264
05:18:39,200 --> 05:18:40,300
We've rearing this.

4265
05:18:41,980 --> 05:18:47,560
When we first talked about that, there was a issue with the way they would want to sell the

4266
05:18:47,560 --> 05:18:51,220
for a 50, let's start at 99 and they kind of the 50 year period.

4267
05:18:51,920 --> 05:18:55,680
They want a 50% of the sale of each law.

4268
05:18:56,280 --> 05:18:57,100
That's where they started.

4269
05:18:57,580 --> 05:18:59,740
That's what within negotiations was going back and forth

4270
05:18:59,740 --> 05:19:01,160
and it's all the project was ended.

4271
05:19:02,100 --> 05:19:04,560
So assuming this is where this came from,

4272
05:19:05,020 --> 05:19:06,520
we're going back to this thing about,

4273
05:19:06,940 --> 05:19:09,140
we gave it to them with no regulations,

4274
05:19:09,780 --> 05:19:12,060
we got it back with regulations, you know, so I guess.

4275
05:19:12,060 --> 05:19:13,160
Right, so that's where we're at.

4276
05:19:13,260 --> 05:19:15,640
And so we're trying to resolve it once and for all,

4277
05:19:15,640 --> 05:19:20,640
trying to look at this long term in future as sick for the county and you know just

4278
05:19:21,800 --> 05:19:25,880
we're we're thinking as we might like to approach the agency with their ideas about

4279
05:19:26,320 --> 05:19:30,740
that arm and bring those ideas back to the board.

4280
05:19:31,300 --> 05:19:35,720
Okay we do a property swap, parts of property swap with Scott Dyer.

4281
05:19:38,030 --> 05:19:39,490
We're under lease with Scott Dyer.

4282
05:19:41,150 --> 05:19:43,750
Pretty sure I don't think he owns Scott Dyer.

4283
05:19:45,430 --> 05:19:53,190
I think that is self-alarm management, at least, yes, that right, so no, yes, that's all.

4284
05:19:54,230 --> 05:19:59,630
So are you suggesting that we either share the revenue or buy the property?

4285
05:20:00,390 --> 05:20:04,030
Well, they're going to suggest sharing the revenue and we don't know what that's going to be yet.

4286
05:20:04,330 --> 05:20:05,750
We know DP.

4287
05:20:06,110 --> 05:20:11,710
We know from a agreement they have with someone in self-order that it was 50% of the revenues.

4288
05:20:12,510 --> 05:20:16,430
But we, what we don't know is, we don't have a revenue that we can.

4289
05:20:18,650 --> 05:20:20,530
Mr. Mises would get a dollar a year.

4290
05:20:20,650 --> 05:20:21,310
It'll be $56.

4291
05:20:21,950 --> 05:20:22,330
Will I?

4292
05:20:22,970 --> 05:20:24,950
It's sort of approaching this another way.

4293
05:20:27,920 --> 05:20:32,440
The, the back end loading of our revenue under the proposal by Guy Harvey

4294
05:20:32,440 --> 05:20:37,960
is not going to be real enticing to the state unless they have a,

4295
05:20:38,480 --> 05:20:41,360
a new, an opportunity based on the guy Harvey,

4296
05:20:41,360 --> 05:20:48,940
coming to this facility. So we have a real problem of what are they going to demand in

4297
05:20:48,940 --> 05:20:56,840
light of this revenue stream? Are they even going to accept that? And we're going to hit

4298
05:20:56,840 --> 05:21:02,100
this if Guy Harvey, for example, at the end of the diligence decides that this is not economical

4299
05:21:02,100 --> 05:21:07,360
for them, which is a possibility. Then we're back to either us developing it or finding someone else

4300
05:21:07,360 --> 05:21:09,360
We're going to have the same issue all over again.

4301
05:21:10,180 --> 05:21:13,400
So the thought was perhaps this is the time,

4302
05:21:13,700 --> 05:21:16,200
while there could be some honeymoon between Guy Harvey

4303
05:21:16,200 --> 05:21:19,440
and the state to actually approach the state and say,

4304
05:21:19,780 --> 05:21:22,720
all right, we want to buy out, get in a prison,

4305
05:21:23,040 --> 05:21:26,040
buy out the value of their reversionary interest,

4306
05:21:26,260 --> 05:21:28,960
so that we can cut our deal with Guy Harvey,

4307
05:21:29,720 --> 05:21:32,280
or another son of Guy Harvey or who'd never,

4308
05:21:32,440 --> 05:21:34,960
if Guy Harvey decides they don't want to do it.

4309
05:21:34,960 --> 05:21:40,120
But you're a free player to then develop the way you want it. That was the thought.

4310
05:21:41,770 --> 05:21:42,570
Good thought.

4311
05:21:46,120 --> 05:21:47,480
And we even looked at some dollars.

4312
05:21:48,040 --> 05:21:48,800
Where they come from?

4313
05:21:49,200 --> 05:21:50,380
And do you even have it?

4314
05:21:50,680 --> 05:21:51,960
By any stretch of your imagination.

4315
05:21:52,700 --> 05:21:53,200
What do you think?

4316
05:21:53,360 --> 05:21:55,300
I mean, is there been an appraisal recently done on that.

4317
05:21:55,500 --> 05:21:56,160
Good evening.

4318
05:21:56,420 --> 05:21:57,040
Let's say for us.

4319
05:21:57,460 --> 05:21:58,940
No, and that would be right.

4320
05:21:59,400 --> 05:22:02,640
That what one of the things that we would want to do is get an appraisal on it.

4321
05:22:02,700 --> 05:22:04,080
So we know what its value is.

4322
05:22:04,980 --> 05:22:05,960
I think that's a good approach.

4323
05:22:07,840 --> 05:22:13,360
because you know they're beefies, it's not a very equitable part or sometimes.

4324
05:22:14,660 --> 05:22:17,700
But this time they're going to be since we're driving the first freeing the internet.

4325
05:22:18,220 --> 05:22:18,640
That's fine.

4326
05:22:20,920 --> 05:22:23,380
So I think that's a good approach.

4327
05:22:24,200 --> 05:22:25,220
At least have an option.

4328
05:22:26,240 --> 05:22:29,980
Because it might be harder to sell them on a weary limited rip.

4329
05:22:33,250 --> 05:22:35,470
At least, look at this, what was our fault?

4330
05:22:35,730 --> 05:22:37,130
Can we be looking to have a watch?

4331
05:22:37,350 --> 05:22:38,790
That was one voice of us.

4332
05:22:39,030 --> 05:22:39,330
Permit?

4333
05:22:39,650 --> 05:22:42,670
You can look at several options, you know, whichever one seems to have.

4334
05:22:42,830 --> 05:22:43,230
I don't know.

4335
05:22:43,510 --> 05:22:44,470
We're going to read you the other one.

4336
05:22:45,550 --> 05:22:45,870
Permit?

4337
05:22:46,330 --> 05:22:47,690
Well, I can't read you.

4338
05:22:49,110 --> 05:22:51,610
I just, you know, like, send it in.

4339
05:22:52,050 --> 05:22:53,390
How much you made to send it in?

4340
05:22:54,090 --> 05:22:54,150
What?

4341
05:22:54,910 --> 05:23:03,230
I think I shared that some months, maybe, year ago, about...

4342
05:23:03,230 --> 05:23:08,570
the front and then we have basically for three years point out more and more years with it in your lives.

4343
05:23:09,370 --> 05:23:12,890
And we could not come to me today, we would just be involved.

4344
05:23:16,380 --> 05:23:18,000
Well, I mean, we were willing to buy out from it.

4345
05:23:19,480 --> 05:23:22,280
It's just, it has got a bizarre shirt.

4346
05:23:22,420 --> 05:23:24,360
I mean, it's a way I look at it right now. They're getting nothing.

4347
05:23:25,120 --> 05:23:26,600
Well, nor was it saying getting anything.

4348
05:23:26,880 --> 05:23:28,600
No, that's what I mean, they're getting nothing.

4349
05:23:29,040 --> 05:23:33,740
So, and I know Guy Harvey has a lot of pull with individuals within Dallahassee.

4350
05:23:33,740 --> 05:23:36,000
I mean he's got his own license plate.

4351
05:23:36,200 --> 05:23:41,220
That didn't escape us when we're thinking about whether it's time to approach the state.

4352
05:23:41,760 --> 05:23:41,900
Yeah, I think.

4353
05:23:42,260 --> 05:23:43,760
That's a good part of the time.

4354
05:23:43,920 --> 05:23:44,940
If I can't do two.

4355
05:23:44,940 --> 05:23:46,000
We're going to do whatever we want.

4356
05:23:47,500 --> 05:23:48,460
Nice approach.

4357
05:23:50,180 --> 05:23:50,800
Who's clambered?

4358
05:23:51,820 --> 05:23:52,040
Okay.

4359
05:23:52,320 --> 05:23:53,140
Since I own it.

4360
05:23:54,220 --> 05:23:54,720
Excuse me.

4361
05:23:54,980 --> 05:23:55,560
Have a nice day.

4362
05:23:59,680 --> 05:24:01,380
Last week, I'll be in line.

4363
05:24:01,480 --> 05:24:03,280
I had an opportunity to sit down with Don Fox.

4364
05:24:03,280 --> 05:24:06,000
and we met with him for nearly two hours.

4365
05:24:08,120 --> 05:24:09,720
And this was all on lock seven.

4366
05:24:09,880 --> 05:24:11,040
And what can we do there?

4367
05:24:11,180 --> 05:24:13,500
And what are some of the ideas and some of the access

4368
05:24:14,300 --> 05:24:19,720
to grants that the state has fishing game, basically?

4369
05:24:20,060 --> 05:24:23,780
I know there's FWC is the only way that I can remember it.

4370
05:24:23,980 --> 05:24:26,740
But so we're looking at that in more detail.

4371
05:24:27,640 --> 05:24:29,560
I think there's some really good ideas and some things

4372
05:24:29,560 --> 05:24:31,580
we could do there to develop that further.

4373
05:24:32,720 --> 05:24:38,680
And so, just want to let you know that we're going to continue down that path and pursue developing that part.

4374
05:24:38,980 --> 05:24:41,700
Commissioners, that's under police with the corps.

4375
05:24:41,900 --> 05:24:42,260
Yes.

4376
05:24:43,040 --> 05:24:44,100
That was what I measured.

4377
05:24:44,320 --> 05:24:44,920
We know that.

4378
05:24:44,960 --> 05:24:47,480
And we're working with the corps about lighting, by the way.

4379
05:24:48,260 --> 05:24:53,360
Donnie's already been contact with them and gotten some responses back about what they would require.

4380
05:24:53,560 --> 05:24:57,560
In terms of the electrical from, you know, the bridge down at the boat ramp.

4381
05:24:59,980 --> 05:25:05,340
discussions about additional boat ramps down in that area as well, that would even

4382
05:25:05,340 --> 05:25:06,560
maybe accommodate air boaters.

4383
05:25:07,960 --> 05:25:12,140
That Don has definitely a different opinion about air-boding than what you heard and I

4384
05:25:12,140 --> 05:25:15,340
thought that was really, I was really, I was really, I was surprised actually at his approach,

4385
05:25:15,480 --> 05:25:16,280
but it was different.

4386
05:25:16,660 --> 05:25:22,120
So my idea is about non-motorized launch for canoes and kayaks and creating a trail right

4387
05:25:22,120 --> 05:25:29,500
off of the property there, a grant that he could help us with that would clean up the shoreline.

4388
05:25:30,300 --> 05:25:34,800
And so all that more rush and the grass that's there would be get rid of that and you have your beach back.

4389
05:25:35,520 --> 05:25:38,420
So it would be more aesthetically pleasing to have some water there.

4390
05:25:38,860 --> 05:25:45,220
So there's a lot of really, those are just some overviews, but some really good ideas on what we could do there.

4391
05:25:45,980 --> 05:25:49,080
And so I decided that you know we'll be looking at that as well.

4392
05:25:49,080 --> 05:25:54,300
who met with Gene Schreiner last week, as well.

4393
05:25:54,820 --> 05:25:56,980
He's provided a project updates to Edison.

4394
05:25:56,980 --> 05:26:01,920
He'll begin to do that on a monthly basis to keep us aware

4395
05:26:01,920 --> 05:26:03,860
of what projects they're working on.

4396
05:26:05,080 --> 05:26:08,300
And just a couple of ones that have, I know that a couple of you

4397
05:26:08,300 --> 05:26:10,360
asked me about, lots of them bypass.

4398
05:26:11,680 --> 05:26:15,640
He is anticipating their finalizing the construction plans

4399
05:26:15,640 --> 05:26:22,520
at the end of September, they'll be out to bid, and until October 19th, we should award

4400
05:26:22,520 --> 05:26:27,320
about the 22nd of October and begin to construction after that contract. So awarded.

4401
05:26:28,860 --> 05:26:34,100
The River Lake of States area, we're familiar with all the culverts and they did some surveying

4402
05:26:34,100 --> 05:26:40,840
in there. That project is beginning to negotiate with the engineering firm to do the design.

4403
05:26:40,840 --> 05:26:48,100
So Gene's role in that is to be the liaison between us and another engineering firm.

4404
05:26:48,220 --> 05:26:59,900
So if you'll be doing that, and once that negotiation is confirmed, we'll come to the board for an award on who's going to do the engineering, the design of that River Lake of States, which should be Lake September.

4405
05:27:01,100 --> 05:27:03,320
He's finishing up the sidewalk.

4406
05:27:03,880 --> 05:27:09,880
We'll do the same process on the sidewalks and negotiate with an engineering firm to do the design for the sidewalk on Baswood,

4407
05:27:09,880 --> 05:27:17,840
rates of timber. Oak Park, as you know, is under construction anticipated that they should be

4408
05:27:17,840 --> 05:27:23,360
substantially complete back to over 14th. I know if you've watched now, of course, we've

4409
05:27:23,360 --> 05:27:26,960
gotten quite a bit of rain in that area, so I know that's impacted them, but they've brought three

4410
05:27:26,960 --> 05:27:37,060
crews on site to help complete that project quickly. The softball field parking lot is, again,

4411
05:27:37,060 --> 05:27:40,440
And one of those will have to negotiate, by the end of this month, he'll have to negotiate

4412
05:27:40,440 --> 05:27:44,820
with a firm to do the design of that project, as I'll have to go the site plan in order

4413
05:27:44,820 --> 05:27:45,560
to do the page.

4414
05:27:47,140 --> 05:27:51,440
So you should be seeing awards to other engineers for these projects, I told them you've

4415
05:27:51,440 --> 05:27:55,720
got five to pick from, so just go through your lists and start working on negotiating like

4416
05:27:55,720 --> 05:27:56,500
them.

4417
05:27:56,660 --> 05:27:57,180
But I'm not surprised.

4418
05:27:57,800 --> 05:28:01,340
So that's the status of those projects that he's dealing with that we've asked

4419
05:28:01,340 --> 05:28:06,340
to be on his regular engineering consulting unit, that's for us.

4420
05:28:07,800 --> 05:28:09,220
And that is it.

4421
05:28:09,480 --> 05:28:09,880
That's all I have.

4422
05:28:10,600 --> 05:28:12,840
Could you suggest a gene while they have an

4423
05:28:12,840 --> 05:28:16,020
design that bypass if they have a reason to tear down those old bathrooms?

4424
05:28:16,520 --> 05:28:18,560
Oh, update on the old bathrooms.

4425
05:28:19,100 --> 05:28:20,660
The old bathrooms in that section.

4426
05:28:20,660 --> 05:28:22,900
I meant to mention to you is DOT property.

4427
05:28:22,960 --> 05:28:23,080
Right.

4428
05:28:23,480 --> 05:28:27,640
Lee is in the process of discussing that with DOT for them to tear down their bathrooms.

4429
05:28:27,640 --> 05:28:34,380
So, that's part of them, and in addition to asking them from a beautification grant for the entrance from DOT.

4430
05:28:35,460 --> 05:28:37,400
So, that project is an under way.

4431
05:28:37,700 --> 05:28:44,500
While it is sitting here, Lee is e-mails and let me know that the met-wetmanly mitigation project is still underway.

4432
05:28:45,700 --> 05:28:47,800
He has been in touch with South Florida.

4433
05:28:48,060 --> 05:28:52,540
They intend to get us a letter next week about what they are very soon.

4434
05:28:52,540 --> 05:28:57,260
I'm hoping next week I shouldn't put words in their mouth about what they think we need to do.

4435
05:28:57,260 --> 05:29:02,260
to get rid of the conservation easements, so that project is continued to move along as well.

4436
05:29:04,180 --> 05:29:05,780
And Margaret, can I?

4437
05:29:06,840 --> 05:29:07,280
Yeah.

4438
05:29:08,500 --> 05:29:10,800
The rumor mail was brought to my attention.

4439
05:29:11,660 --> 05:29:16,540
Is there a lawsuit that you're aware of between Oak Lake and States and Oak Lake Billas?

4440
05:29:16,540 --> 05:29:17,440
Close to the mic.

4441
05:29:17,620 --> 05:29:18,040
I'm sorry.

4442
05:29:18,460 --> 05:29:20,600
Is there the, you know what I think about that?

4443
05:29:20,780 --> 05:29:23,080
I heard that there was the homeowner's association.

4444
05:29:23,180 --> 05:29:24,160
Oh, during States.

4445
05:29:24,540 --> 05:29:24,740
I'm sorry.

4446
05:29:25,420 --> 05:29:30,240
Yes, sir. There would be the logical reason. Well, that's that was my that was my question

4447
05:29:30,240 --> 05:29:37,120
They've heard me thing because it was a lot of speculation that they filled in the drains and blocked off their drainage to the south

4448
05:29:37,120 --> 05:29:41,000
You know, and I was just curious if you've heard anything of that

4449
05:29:41,940 --> 05:29:44,880
Anything we have a date yet on the ribbon cutting for the

4450
05:29:45,440 --> 05:29:47,660
Do it in jungle. No, not yet

4451
05:29:48,220 --> 05:29:54,720
What I would suggest you on wooden jungle as a ribbon cutting would be something on a weekend where you could get all of your kids

4452
05:29:54,740 --> 05:29:59,760
there, you know, something similar to when you did the design day, you know, it's just doing

4453
05:29:59,760 --> 05:29:59,980
it open.

4454
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:13,520
We're opening day, and maybe... Because there will be most likely open before that, no one can chance to play on it but it might be something you want to do a little bit different, because you know, the kids are the whole reason we did it, and we asked to have a bunch of kids there.

4455
05:30:15,300 --> 05:30:27,440
So I haven't asked, I'll be specifically on a date yet, I know, substantial completion is like this week. I want to say like Friday, but you know, and should be open soon.

4456
05:30:27,440 --> 05:30:33,360
But if you haven't been out, you encourage me out there now, it's really super nice job.

4457
05:30:33,520 --> 05:30:38,760
Really nice, you're so excited about the job that makes it the project that much better.

4458
05:30:39,120 --> 05:30:42,940
When the people doing it are really stoves, it comes out better.

4459
05:30:43,500 --> 05:30:45,060
It's a nice, really nice, it looks neat.

4460
05:30:45,440 --> 05:30:47,940
Grandkids are going, not so over it.

4461
05:30:48,560 --> 05:30:50,680
There are a couple of things.

4462
05:30:52,320 --> 05:30:56,280
You probably refresh my memory on the storage tank issue over the fuel tank.

4463
05:30:56,280 --> 05:31:03,420
fuel storage tanks over the road department fuel storage tanks study has been talking with the contractor on that project

4464
05:31:03,420 --> 05:31:10,280
They've been on site. They've done some review. They looked at the schedule of values and Donnie's recommendation is to

4465
05:31:11,180 --> 05:31:17,920
Reject the bid and go completely out back out based on everything that they've walked through because there's some things that weren't missed

4466
05:31:17,920 --> 05:31:25,400
There's some that weren't listed and he just feels like it would be better a better project overall if we we've been a whole thing

4467
05:31:28,220 --> 05:31:35,900
Yeah, I mean, not that they haven't worked together and he's had no issues out of you know close construction at all.

4468
05:31:36,320 --> 05:31:41,940
And dealing with it, but there's things that it would be some additions to what's already there.

4469
05:31:42,260 --> 05:31:48,640
Because things just, it was nicely as I can say, the RFP wasn't as complete as it should have been.

4470
05:31:48,640 --> 05:31:52,460
I'm going to ask you a question like why couldn't they take the additional items

4471
05:31:52,460 --> 05:31:57,320
come up with a cost factor in housing, close construction, if they're wanting to do it

4472
05:31:57,320 --> 05:31:58,380
before we go up to rebuild.

4473
05:32:00,120 --> 05:32:03,740
It just flies in the face of when you put a bit out, this is something that's

4474
05:32:03,740 --> 05:32:08,640
our fault evidently, if we didn't include any stuff, and then to not award a

4475
05:32:08,640 --> 05:32:11,520
bit just because we didn't put everything in there that was required.

4476
05:32:12,940 --> 05:32:15,360
I'm sorry, maybe this is made, I have an issue with that.

4477
05:32:15,360 --> 05:32:22,400
You know, I think if there's additional things and need to be done, you ask Mr. Close closed construction say,

4478
05:32:22,940 --> 05:32:24,660
Can you do this for this amount of costs?

4479
05:32:25,140 --> 05:32:27,180
Well, certainly would be the board's priority.

4480
05:32:27,320 --> 05:32:30,200
Obviously, as you're aware, that's a decision that will rest here.

4481
05:32:30,560 --> 05:32:33,540
But our recommendation will be different in you.

4482
05:32:33,760 --> 05:32:35,720
This board can decide how you want to handle it.

4483
05:32:35,740 --> 05:32:36,720
You're going to bring it back, right?

4484
05:32:36,720 --> 05:32:37,580
It will become back.

4485
05:32:37,580 --> 05:32:43,880
So, second thing is that, I understand there's a light out and this kind of across my

4486
05:32:43,880 --> 05:32:49,620
Texas at lunchtime at the Highway 70 West and South West was 48th Avenue, is that

4487
05:32:49,620 --> 05:32:49,980
hours?

4488
05:32:51,100 --> 05:32:52,000
An FPL light?

4489
05:32:52,560 --> 05:32:52,920
Yes.

4490
05:32:53,540 --> 05:32:53,780
Yes.

4491
05:32:53,780 --> 05:32:54,440
Yes, I guess so from the interview.

4492
05:32:54,440 --> 05:32:58,760
Yes, not the only one that's out 67.2, so I thought last night.

4493
05:32:59,340 --> 05:33:04,280
All right, so the last thing, this is one of the robbing I had an interesting conversation

4494
05:33:04,280 --> 05:33:05,340
on.

4495
05:33:06,700 --> 05:33:13,920
I started with it about it, it was time for us to look at her evaluation and she's

4496
05:33:13,920 --> 05:33:17,440
well there is obviously the issue of contract and I read the contract and basically

4497
05:33:17,440 --> 05:33:24,860
the contract is that the party gets noticed to the other end of the intent or to renew

4498
05:33:24,860 --> 05:33:31,120
it says renewed on a one-year basis, so that renewal should be given at least 90 days prior to the

4499
05:33:31,120 --> 05:33:33,900
the initial term, which we are within the 90 days now.

4500
05:33:34,720 --> 05:33:38,420
So I give her an option as to, well, you're renewed already,

4501
05:33:38,560 --> 05:33:40,120
or if you want to renegotiate.

4502
05:33:40,320 --> 05:33:42,860
So she was thinking, actually, shaking her hand.

4503
05:33:42,980 --> 05:33:44,660
So I guess we've renewed her for another year.

4504
05:33:45,420 --> 05:33:49,000
So now we can go back to the evaluation process.

4505
05:33:50,980 --> 05:33:53,340
So her contract date is November 10.

4506
05:33:54,060 --> 05:33:57,400
So I would think if we stay in concert with what we normally

4507
05:33:57,400 --> 05:33:59,520
do with employees, we should give her a evaluation

4508
05:33:59,520 --> 05:34:03,140
by November 10th that's her data for employment.

4509
05:34:04,300 --> 05:34:09,380
So we need the copy to give it out to you folks, and then we go through that process.

4510
05:34:13,310 --> 05:34:16,250
Which was the form that Mr. Sherby came up with?

4511
05:34:16,910 --> 05:34:16,970
Yep.

4512
05:34:17,350 --> 05:34:24,290
And other than I haven't found anything between Oak Lake Billas and the Oak Lake Association.

4513
05:34:27,210 --> 05:34:33,630
The part of the responsibility to participate in the part of the regional transportation planning

4514
05:34:33,630 --> 05:34:37,990
organization is we have a commissioner, maybe, but we also made an alternate.

4515
05:34:39,270 --> 05:34:39,830
We have that.

4516
05:34:40,410 --> 05:34:41,830
So you are at the model team?

4517
05:34:42,390 --> 05:34:43,930
Yes, I'm your alternate.

4518
05:34:44,490 --> 05:34:44,710
Yes, I'm your alternate.

4519
05:34:44,710 --> 05:34:46,010
I'll take the world and that.

4520
05:34:46,790 --> 05:34:49,030
But you're not getting, you're not getting out of going to the models.

4521
05:34:53,790 --> 05:35:01,290
I have a class at nine, so why don't you just beam it over to me?

4522
05:35:02,390 --> 05:35:09,110
The other thing is that within a next couple of months, I'll take a couple of months.

4523
05:35:10,110 --> 05:35:18,530
We will probably need to encourage some local volunteers to participate in the citizens advisory committee

4524
05:35:18,530 --> 05:35:24,810
forward that organization and they would like to have at least two from each county and we

4525
05:35:24,810 --> 05:35:32,130
got a nice long letter about transportation, which I thought, you know, we should certainly

4526
05:35:32,130 --> 05:35:37,250
give that individual opportunity to participate on a more formal basis if you'd like to,

4527
05:35:37,250 --> 05:35:41,230
but here we'll have to get the application still out in all that kind of stuff, but we will need

4528
05:35:41,230 --> 05:35:44,550
to have at least two people there, some interest in doing that.

4529
05:35:44,550 --> 05:35:59,830
So we probably should add that to our advertising list of board vacancies kind of thing and see if we can not I'm not looking at you because I want you to do it, but you know what I'm talking about so they'll probably get with Tracy on adding that into it.

4530
05:36:01,880 --> 05:36:02,340
Okay.

4531
05:36:03,260 --> 05:36:05,240
I have to have one question.

4532
05:36:05,520 --> 05:36:08,960
I have to write a new one about the art.

4533
05:36:09,400 --> 05:36:11,220
I take tears of the 41.

4534
05:36:15,020 --> 05:36:21,360
Oh, oh, oh, I'm southeast. No, I have not heard anything more since we sent it out.

4535
05:36:22,300 --> 05:36:27,060
Do they tell you the preliminary was around about there?

4536
05:36:27,420 --> 05:36:27,440
Yes.

4537
05:36:28,100 --> 05:36:31,700
So we basically said, we want to leave you alive.

4538
05:36:32,320 --> 05:36:35,320
The blinking light there by the old driver's license.

4539
05:36:39,140 --> 05:36:50,400
The preliminary came back said around about and that's what we said that's what we said

4540
05:36:51,460 --> 05:36:52,920
Sounds like a lot of fun.

4541
05:36:53,280 --> 05:36:58,140
So anyway, I think I forget where it lies now when back to GMT.

4542
05:36:58,140 --> 05:37:00,780
And that was horse speed boost.

4543
05:37:01,000 --> 05:37:05,160
Or yeah, actually roundabouts are very effective traffic movers.

4544
05:37:05,440 --> 05:37:07,660
Especially on high trucks that come down through there.

4545
05:37:07,960 --> 05:37:09,960
Some of my trucks will be really happy with that.

4546
05:37:10,100 --> 05:37:11,700
Go through them all down in Europe.

4547
05:37:12,260 --> 05:37:12,720
Good point.

4548
05:37:12,760 --> 05:37:13,620
You got smaller, some of them.

4549
05:37:13,620 --> 05:37:14,060
Yes, smaller.

4550
05:37:14,540 --> 05:37:14,680
Yep.

4551
05:37:15,140 --> 05:37:15,580
Roundabouts.

4552
05:37:16,960 --> 05:37:17,060
No.

4553
05:37:17,060 --> 05:37:17,480
No, they don't.

4554
05:37:17,820 --> 05:37:18,320
Gross minute.

4555
05:37:19,100 --> 05:37:20,100
I'll check on that one.

4556
05:37:20,320 --> 05:37:21,440
We'll make sure I get roundabouts.

4557
05:37:21,660 --> 05:37:22,080
I'm sorry.

4558
05:37:23,080 --> 05:37:23,180
Europe.

4559
05:37:23,460 --> 05:37:23,600
Europe.

4560
05:37:24,560 --> 05:37:27,520
No, I'm just saying that's very efficient moving.

4561
05:37:27,520 --> 05:37:28,620
you don't have stopping.

4562
05:37:30,780 --> 05:37:34,260
Of course, we're all in all that.

4563
05:37:34,560 --> 05:37:35,620
Court, did you want to say anything?

4564
05:37:36,080 --> 05:37:36,500
You done?

4565
05:37:36,780 --> 05:37:37,780
So, no problem.

4566
05:37:38,100 --> 05:37:38,780
I feel...

4567
05:37:39,460 --> 05:37:40,020
No formula.

4568
05:37:41,380 --> 05:37:42,060
No formula.