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[0:05] The other thing is if you're here to make comments during public comments, we ask you to keep those remarks brief, or as brief as you can, we appreciate that.
[0:13] This morning we have was for hand vocation, Reverend Bond, who was first United Methodist, and alarm call will lead us in the pledge. Please stand.
[0:32] If you would pray with me, have it my father, we are reminded as we continue to celebrate
[0:41] our hundredth anniversary that this is your county, and what does that mean for us here
[0:51] to do business?
[0:51] as well. John Wesley found a methodism says start with Scripture. So let us remind ourselves
[1:02] that we need to look at everything and see if it's in conflict with Scripture. But to that,
[1:11] we add logic, tradition, and reason, as well as experience. We do those things in a nice
[1:26] neat package.
[1:29] Your will more likely will be done. So we call your Holy Spirit to come
[1:34] with us. Each and every one of us with different agendas and different ideas and make us
[1:44] cohesive. We are one in the spirit. I pray in Christ's name, Amen.
[2:09] Thank you, Reverend Bond.
[2:14] Who had an open meeting for public comments?
[2:17] I know we have for sure one person.
[2:21] I know other people here.
[2:22] But Tony Bishop, if you would like to come up with a comment.
[2:32] Morning chair.
[2:34] My name is Tony Bishop and I'm here on behalf of the Brake Club and for those of you who don't know what the Brake Club is, it stands for building a relationship with a team.
[2:47] And what they do is they put on team dances, wants them on a tier, didn't middle school,
[2:53] a lot of touring, and kind of helps keep the team at your job for street, for at least
[2:58] one nice point.
[3:00] And you know, whatever they can do, and they put on dodgeball tournaments and such things
[3:03] that.
[3:05] And five years ago, Okacheo, we canceled the Labor Day for eight.
[3:10] And the Brock Club took that up and has been a real successful with it for five years, excuse me.
[3:20] So, in reading the paper last week, we noticed that the Catalyst Association had canceled the PRCA Labor Day Radio,
[3:28] which has been a tradition in October for years.
[3:32] So, the Brock Club decided that they would love to keep up the tradition and put on a Labor Day Ranch Radio
[3:39] in place of the PRCA review and we are going to try to make this successful and be an annual
[3:47] deal as long as a cattle and a dissociation doesn't want to come back and put on our PRCA
[3:52] review on my equipment.
[3:54] In doing so, we had to hire some judges and pick up me and some managers and timekeepers
[4:03] of secretaries and incurred a lot of costs in doing so to have this rodeo.
[4:09] We have secured the axonor for September to fail to Saturday afternoon, but on this
[4:15] rodeo, one day rodeo.
[4:18] And what the Brack Club could ask me to do is come up here and ask the commission if they
[4:22] would consider, because of the financial obligation of putting on this rodeo to carry
[4:27] on this tradition, if they would consider a way that we would defeat one time beads for the
[4:32] is there for us to put this on?
[4:44] Who, what would the cost be for us, Albe, to wait to see?
[4:48] Well, obviously, it's since it's not an agenda item.
[4:50] We can't vote on it today, but that's fine if he would respond to that.
[4:55] But it's just not an agenda item.
[4:56] We can't vote on it.
[4:58] Yes, sir.
[5:01] Just for basic costs, $7,000, $50,000 is a real fee for the day.
[5:07] Give a take at the dollars here and there for you.
[5:10] a little electrical calls and a board member I'm going to introduce myself from many future
[5:24] vote on this, but I would just like to give a little background. My first trip to Oak
[5:29] at Shelby was in 1967 with a young lady and her mother to come out and came out to the
[5:38] time and that was my first introduction and I ended up loving it so much I'm here so it's
[5:44] very hard once you give up your tradition it's very hard to come back and try to rebuild that
[5:49] tradition to bring it back again because I'm not going to vote on it I'm not part of that but
[5:55] I would only ask that you know that chair I mean the board consider this because of the nature
[6:01] of how fast it came of you know it didn't really have a time to go out and fundraise and do the
[6:05] that are needed to do, to put this thing on, you know, for the families of Oakland
[6:09] Chobian, and quite honestly quite a few people in within 152 mile radius, because
[6:15] my understanding is that there's no rodeo, South of Cala, that's correct.
[6:20] Yeah, that thing is a, so should be a fun event, and the fact is, the admission
[6:25] price was brought down to $5, just to let more families come out there and enjoy
[6:30] that rodeo because it is a lot of fun, and just wanted to add that to it, you know,
[6:34] But in the prior years, we'll have more time.
[6:36] I'm interested in such a short notice.
[6:37] We'll have more time to go out and get sponsors
[6:41] and then that will help us with the finances.
[6:44] Labor Day, Rudy.
[6:45] Well, actually, I like the ranch radius.
[6:48] Yeah, I'm not saying that.
[6:50] And there's been a big outcry in this week out of the paper.
[6:52] And a lot of comments with a community of wanting this to go
[6:57] to continue as a tradition.
[7:00] When we just place it, this is Jim, the out of one,
[7:02] our next meeting.
[7:05] So what you could do is have to add it to this, meeting at the end, you consider it as an actual one.
[7:12] We're going to add it to this one if you're looking at it.
[7:15] If it supports favor two, add it to this one, find it with that.
[7:21] I would like to add it to the agenda.
[7:27] Can we?
[7:32] I don't mind adding it. I just don't particularly like the president we said by doing that.
[7:43] Well, I don't either accept it.
[7:47] It's really not about the money. I mean, it's not the president that you would say about having something in public comment.
[7:58] I agree that it's the precedent.
[8:01] Let me ask a question.
[8:03] If you don't get the waiver of the fees,
[8:05] are you going to do the event anyway?
[8:07] Certainly.
[8:07] We're going to continue with you then.
[8:09] Since he's going to do the event anyway,
[8:11] he could come back to the next meeting.
[8:12] It really isn't too late,
[8:13] and the board could wait the second.
[8:16] Okay, that's the reason.
[8:19] That's the reason I made this suggestion.
[8:20] That's the reason I made this suggestion.
[8:20] When he was going to do the event,
[8:22] I do that. Our next meeting, we could place it on the agenda and vote for that time.
[8:28] And then you're not setting the presence and it keeps everything squared.
[8:33] Thank you, Mr. President.
[8:35] All right. Thank you, John.
[8:39] Any other public comments?
[8:43] Last call?
[8:45] Motion.
[8:46] Motion.
[8:47] Motion.
[8:47] Second.
[8:49] Second.
[8:49] Second.
[8:50] Second. Second. Second. Second. Second.
[8:50] help out with those in favor say aye.
[8:52] I oppose like that, motion care, any revisions, no revisions.
[8:58] Consent agenda,
[9:02] any wishes to pull something for further discussion.
[9:12] I did notice one,
[9:16] I will say, a correction and the public comments refers to trash containers
[9:23] and they were actually shipping containers, not trash containers.
[9:25] in the minutes?
[9:27] In the minute.
[9:38] Any other?
[9:40] I would.
[9:43] Adam G. Can I just ask to make sure that is up to date there.
[9:49] Please pay much for up to date.
[9:56] As of the first of the month, she did have a balance of a thousand fifty eight dollars.
[10:01] I'm not sure if she's made a payment.
[10:04] Today, but she's relatively current.
[10:06] Okay.
[10:26] Not really a change, but just a comment about code, I'm not going to stuff which I've made
[10:31] in the past.
[10:32] I think one of the ones we are, the Sun Consentage into the day ran for 3,000 plus days.
[10:42] I think we ought to come up with some way to, not let it go 3,000 days before we come
[10:50] for a resolution.
[10:51] I mean, I'm assuming that the purpose of code enforcement is to clean things up and make
[10:55] make them in compliance and not get money and allow something to go for 3,000 days, I would suggest
[11:05] it's not a solution to a code violation.
[11:08] I
[11:12] think it was suggested to increase the time limit of set of time limit.
[11:17] From past experience on a code board, we had a, we had an established 90-day time frame
[11:23] where it went back, the code board people went back and looked at it and made the recommendation
[11:28] to the governing board, to lean it, you know, foreclose it whatever, to push it along rather than just, as is in this case the, the fine was significantly more value,
[11:44] more costly than the value of the property and obviously didn't get cleaned up until it changed hands.
[11:51] But the idea was, if you let it go 90 days and it wasn't resolved, then the code, in this case, I guess, the code department under Bill would have to make some recommendation to cut it off and put it in some situation where you could move it along to some quicker resolution than 3,000 days.
[12:12] Mr. Chairman.
[12:13] You said, lean it or foreclose.
[12:15] This one was lean.
[12:16] I mean, when the fine is imposed, the judgment is recorded in the public records and it
[12:22] becomes a lean on the property and actually it becomes a lean on any other real property
[12:26] owned by the violator.
[12:28] So this has been under lean all of this time.
[12:31] There are various reasons why the individual properties are not foreclosed on.
[12:36] We cannot foreclose on homestead property.
[12:38] I'm not saying that this one was homestead.
[12:40] I'm just giving an example that if we have 10 properties with leans, but nine of them are
[12:46] homestead, we can't foreclose on nine of them.
[12:49] There are also occasions where we have a lean, but there are either first, first, at or
[12:54] second mortgages, and the second mortgages on the property, and if the county foreclosed,
[12:59] we would take over the property subject to those mortgages often times, and then we would
[13:03] be responsible for paying off those mortgages.
[13:04] So in reality, the window of properties that's clean and open for closures is not as big
[13:13] as you might think.
[13:15] And I'm okay with that, but there might be other options to try and, again, the purpose of
[13:20] the code enforcement is to...
[13:21] Asheaf complains.
[13:22] I don't know if I find somebody to let him on over there, or to lean the property and take
[13:27] the property.
[13:28] And that's not the purpose.
[13:29] The purpose is to encourage the property owner to clean it up, and there might be some
[13:33] other options.
[13:33] I don't know which ones, what the mic they are, but I would suggest the look and so they
[13:38] didn't.
[13:39] Again, it's a purpose.
[13:40] It's kind of things we're not achieving that necessarily.
[13:44] The only thing I would suggest is if because each code violation stands under someone
[13:48] merit, they have its own personality, one code violation may be resolved in two weeks, where
[13:53] another one may take several months, another because of the cause, because of the size.
[13:58] So I would kind of like to leave that up to the discretion of code enforcement is to what
[14:02] it would be reasonable time, you know, and I understand when you come from, and I concur it's just the fact is that if you set a time certain like 90 days or 120 days, it may be good for one in one situation but may not fit another, you know, so I would defer to code enforcement to let them kind of make a recommendation.
[14:21] And I'm okay with that too.
[14:23] I mean, again, just to if the purpose is to encourage you, okay.
[14:31] With the minor change to the minutes, you can turn your emotion for consent again.
[14:38] I make a motion that we approve the consent agenda with the changes in the minute as
[14:44] present it.
[14:46] Motion by Ms. Halden.
[14:49] Second by Mr. Cook.
[14:51] Second by Mr. Cook.
[14:55] Motion carries. Thank you.
[15:03] Approximation, public hearing,
[15:08] item A, it actually is item 1. And your rate resolution for solid waste collection, disposal services, non-evil or assessment.
[15:25] Where are you going to do that? We're going to have someone else have that question there.
[15:29] You were me, didn't you?
[15:31] Yeah, I can.
[15:34] So we adopted the preliminary rates back in last month.
[15:41] And now we're bringing you the final rate
[15:43] Resolutions to finalize the rates.
[15:48] The rate is 220 for resident.
[15:51] And it's unchanged.
[15:54] That hasn't changed from last year.
[15:57] Last year.
[15:58] All right.
[15:59] Any discussion about that before we're out in public hearing comment questions?
[16:08] Okay, if not, we're going to go ahead and open public hearing regarding the annual rate resolution
[16:12] for a waste collection of disposal services as part of the non-evil alarm assessment.
[16:19] Anyone here wishing to speak on that?
[16:23] And the rate is $220.
[16:26] Are you?
[16:26] Are you?
[16:33] No one here wishing to speak on that, okay?
[16:36] consider a motion to close. So may motion by Mr. Cal Farber.
[16:41] Second, my name is Helen.
[16:42] Closed to come here in those in favor say aye. Aye.
[16:45] Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
[16:50] Aye.
[16:54] Motion to adopt Resolution 2015.
[17:03] Make a motion to VOCC adopt Resolution 2015.
[17:06] 30 related to the provision of solid waste collection, disposal services.
[17:10] You know, Chubby County Municipal Service Beneficient for Solid Waste Collection and disposable
[17:14] services established in the rate of assessment, reimposing solid waste collection, disposal
[17:19] service assessments against the property located within the Oak Chubby County Municipal
[17:24] Service Beneficient for Solid Waste Collection and disposable services for the fiscal year.
[17:29] Are you getting up to over 1, 2015, improving the assessment role, providing for several
[17:33] ability, providing the effective date?
[17:36] Motion by Mr. Burrows.
[17:38] Second. Second by Mr. Cofer.
[17:39] Further discussion?
[17:42] Hearing none. Those in favor say I.
[17:44] I pose like some motion carries.
[17:51] Next item on the agenda is a.
[17:54] Public hearing for the annual rate resolution.
[17:57] For fire rescue.
[17:59] Non-advalorment assessment.
[18:03] All right. So again.
[18:04] This rate was adopted as preliminary at the July 23rd board meeting.
[18:09] It is a rate for a fire of $105,
[18:21] $155, and
[18:38] the same proportional increase applied to all other
[18:44] assessment categories.
[18:45] Sorry, I was, I don't have what I thought I had on the screen.
[18:52] So what is that, 15 dollar increase or?
[18:58] For residential, yes,
[19:04] let me get it.
[19:11] This is just for fire, right?
[19:13] This is for eight correct.
[19:14] Okay.
[19:18] The any questions or the core before we open public hearing?
[19:24] I have a couple of questions.
[19:32] The reason for raising the rights or appears to be a couple of things.
[19:36] one is an increase and obviously the cost of managing the fire department driven primarily
[19:44] by addition of six FTEs full-time equipment and I'm looking just an operating experience,
[19:49] I'm not looking at the cost of capital.
[19:55] So it was about $400,000 in that range, what we decided last meeting for the public workshop
[20:03] Was it about $4,000, Chief?
[20:05] Yes, sir.
[20:06] I mean, with salary benefits and all of those stuff, right?
[20:13] If you didn't have that $4,000 in the budget, do we have a number of what we would need to raise the rate, too?
[20:21] We'll keep them on the forward 20, six, five away to actually negotiate a typical EMS virus split.
[20:30] So it's going to be probably about 275 on the fireside because in the operating expense on the fireside,
[20:40] Hayes will turn out to be a firefighter safety EMS does.
[20:48] So we're going to increase the revenue for the fire feed from what to what?
[20:55] Not total dollars was at 2.8 to 3.3 something million.
[21:05] I'm just around numbers, obviously.
[21:07] I'm just trying to...
[21:08] From memory.
[21:12] We're projected.
[21:14] Based on the rates of our budget was 2.9,
[21:17] but it looks like we're projected to collect about 2.7,
[21:20] and we'd be raising it to 3.3.
[21:23] 3.3.
[21:25] Yeah, what about $5,000, $5,000, $1,000,000,000,000?
[21:31] Yes.
[21:32] Total dollars.
[21:35] And I know part of that, we have to have a certain amount of money and reserves.
[21:40] Right.
[21:41] And what are we projecting that we need for reserves from the fire department?
[21:44] 25 percent.
[21:46] Of what?
[21:48] Operating and capital.
[21:50] Do we need to have operating in capital or just operating since the reserve is to pay for operating department not buying capital?
[21:58] To be consistent with the other funds we've always included capital as well because it's not a recurring cost but we anticipate that it's a cost that will have next year also.
[22:11] Approximately the same amount, not the same item but the same amount.
[22:14] So, to be consistent, you would include capital in that calculation and that would actually allow you to be a little more favorable.
[22:25] It causes a little bit additional reserves, which is never.
[22:32] The, what is the purpose of a reserve?
[22:39] It's an emergency fund. The GFOA recommends, I think, three months of expenses, three to four months.
[22:46] Emergency fund for a couple of reasons, if you, you know, there are issues major cost come up, but also if, because of the timing of revenues.
[22:54] You don't always get your envelope revenues. You start that in November or so. So you want to have the funds in there to cover for the first couple months expenses.
[23:08] Well, I would suggest you that we don't need the reserve for capital expenses. That's not an emergency.
[23:18] And if we do that another funds, I would suggest that we shouldn't do that either because again, my reserve is that it is for operating expenses for that period of time when you need money that you don't have the cash flow to pay for your business.
[23:31] If you don't have cash money, you won't make any capital investments during that time.
[23:37] Because you'd be having to pay your staff, you would for a go capital expense.
[23:44] But that short period of time might be even a lengthy period of time.
[23:48] I would add, though, there are times when you would accumulate an additional reserve
[23:54] if you knew you had a large piece of equipment you were going to replace,
[23:57] So that you're not hitting the assessment all in one year to pay for a $4,500,000 piece of equipment.
[24:03] And you would stagger that over and put that aside.
[24:07] So we did do that originally with this. There were pieces of equipment in there five year plan.
[24:11] And we began to save the dollar so we would have it enough.
[24:15] So are we assuming the next 1717 that we're going to spend $500,000 on capital?
[24:22] I don't know what you have in the 15th.
[24:27] We're in 15th, 16th budget.
[24:29] I'm done with 15th, 16th we're spending 500,000 dollars a believe.
[24:35] In 1617, we will have some capital expenses and regards to we'll probably have some other vehicles
[24:45] that need to be replaced and probably some station renovations at Mainstart.
[24:50] I don't think in 1617 it's going to hit the full amount that we have this year I think
[24:58] it would be a little lower but we would still have some capital expenses in 1670.
[25:05] We have a no-in last year we're talking about $500,000 in capital and in 1516 maybe $600,000 for fire.
[25:15] With this year we're talking roughly roughly 650,000 in capital because there's a couple of vehicles in the fire and the MS budget.
[25:25] And then next year, 1617 is when we would probably start to do some renovations on one of the older stations.
[25:33] And by the time we have our fleet evaluated, it may be one of the more economical restruct type vehicles that need to be replaced versus an engine or ambulance.
[25:44] We're working towards our overall budget with a steady process of capital each year so that we don't hit the heavy spikes.
[26:01] How much was your capital, Mr. Chief?
[26:04] Because I see 921, I thought you said something less than that.
[26:07] This is fire in the MIS.
[26:09] Let me come and give them a table.
[26:17] I do know on the engine, on the combat side, we budgeted 425,000 for an engine.
[26:25] The list from last Thursday is 611,748 correct.
[26:31] Yes.
[26:31] 611,000.
[26:33] The biggest bulk of that is for an engine.
[26:36] The rest of it is some of the stuff that is just associated with our capital improvements
[26:41] with replacing of equipment because of the expensive falls and that over a thousand dollars.
[26:47] As I discussed at the last meeting, we have some like every other department.
[26:51] We have some IT issues we need to deal with.
[26:53] And we have one vehicle in there also that he is going to be designed to haul some of our traders with specialized equipment on it.
[27:05] And also, our turnout here is on replacement of certain amounts every year, and they followed a thousand dollars.
[27:13] So yes, our capital for this year is 611,000.
[27:18] So I want to anticipate next year, 1617, that if we lower the cost, the equipment from the new people would not be there,
[27:28] barring some kind of undersea mechanical issue.
[27:31] I don't anticipate an engine for 1617.
[27:37] I think the one common I'd make on this is that since I wasn't in office the last couple of years,
[27:42] it was a little difficult for me to understand why we lowered the EMS, Fired EMS.
[27:47] We had it at one level. We lowered it for two years. Now we're back at the different level and I think the comment was made during some of the budget means was that we were not using the money.
[28:00] And it appeared to me if we had the money we should be refurbishing some of this equipment as we go along based on the fact of what I just heard.
[28:08] And so the question would dare to the public is why do we not refurbish the equipment and continue to do this rather than lower the rates and then bring them back up.
[28:16] because now it looks like, well, it were high.
[28:20] We went low, now we're going back high.
[28:22] So we have to have some rationale for the public
[28:24] to understand why we do that.
[28:26] And I guess that's what I'm asking right now.
[28:28] OK, so the last two years, the board's policy
[28:32] at that point was Evelem.
[28:35] Taxes were becoming an issue.
[28:37] And what they were trying to do was offset the total tax bill.
[28:41] And so there were reserves that were growing
[28:43] and fire any mass because they were not being spent
[28:45] At the time, those rates were put in place, we were looking at the five or six additional people at that point plus equipment that the former chief had, and I'm talking former former chief had put in a five-year plan, and so that's what the rates were based on.
[29:00] We continued along there where the board wasn't in an agreement to hire people or replace equipment at that time because of where we were at in the economy, so they told us to hold off.
[29:12] So we held off while you're building your reserves, you're not spending it.
[29:16] In order to balance out the tax bill, we lowered the rates to help this is since what they're
[29:22] taxable in those two years.
[29:25] At least it bears out for people to understand why you did it, because there is obviously there
[29:31] was rational that you utilized in order to do that.
[29:34] So now we're back to the subject of matter of like you're now we're trying to catch up based
[29:40] of the previous economic times that we went through, is that correct statement?
[29:51] Yes, even if we weren't going to the 105, you have suggested not leaving it the same to increase.
[30:03] If we decide to go with 105, if you, well, the 105 is based on the six people, so we're actually saying if you're deciding not to go on the six people, if we decided not to, you were still suggesting an increase.
[30:17] Yeah,
[30:21] and I have said in that meeting $99 for the fire rate would be what we needed if we weren't going to go to the six people.
[30:29] I can tell you that Chief and I have worked together and cleaned up a little bit more of some of the capital improvements that were in the subject that if they're not on that PowerPoint.
[30:40] This is in between when you guys saw that. So there may be a little bit more leniency that we could reduce rates a little bit more.
[30:50] And then that, unfortunately, I don't have an exact number for you, so you're going to have to go with what you're confident in, is the 90-9 because today's last day, we can't change it.
[31:06] So, yeah, I'm confident in the 99 and the 80.
[31:19] One of the things that's most difficult at tax time is when the taxpayers don't understand
[31:24] very complex issues, used to be very simple 50 years ago when the fire service was
[31:31] very pretty cut and dry, but today with all the regulations and requirements that you
[31:36] have to do with the drugs that they carry, because I come from, I feel like, I guess I have
[31:40] unfortunate to have a little bit of understanding of what it takes and what I'm concerned
[31:45] about is that when you have a staff and I feel sometimes it's inadequate staff where you
[31:52] have to have calls where you have to down a station shut down an engine or rescue unit to
[31:57] cover another call that becomes a danger of rushing you let and I think anyone that's out there
[32:04] will know that anyone that goes to Las Vegas knows that Las Vegas wasn't built on winners.
[32:09] So, if you want to play the odds and say we can continue to operate some, you know, some
[32:14] standard as far as our staffing goes, that's up to the rest of this board and myself
[32:19] to determine that.
[32:20] I would only tell you that there are issues that, unfortunately, it's very hard to pass on
[32:27] to the individual if there have not been a member of a fire service, why we run 24 hours
[32:32] years.
[32:32] Why a lot of things are done to people who don't understand, but I will tell you that if you
[32:37] cut back on a budget with road and bridges in convenient and it can be a safety issue, but the
[32:43] one thing that I want to make very, very crystal clear is that public safety, police and
[32:49] fire in EMS, or the one area is that that's your family, that's a life issue, that's a life
[32:55] quality of life, a risk that whether or not you want to take by being what the chief
[33:02] in terms of being not staffed properly in the stations, and I, for one, understand the concepts,
[33:08] understand why things have done that a lot of people don't let you've been in that business.
[33:13] And I'm not sure that I want to take the risk if the chief, we hired this chief because of the fact that he's had the experience
[33:19] to be able to look down the road and say this is what you need for the future to operate your community,
[33:25] it's safe and a safe way to protect your citizens. And that's the way I'm going to take the chief recommendation.
[33:30] I'm not going to try to second guess what he's asked for to run his department in an efficient
[33:35] safe manner. And so if he says he needs six, six people to complement the current
[33:40] staff that he has to run the department in a safe way to protect our citizens and I'm certainly
[33:45] going to take that advice. Thank you.
[33:49] You want to get in line?
[33:50] Yes.
[33:52] On our chart, the peak, time for the Miss Holles for during the day,
[33:57] ten to twelve hour period. I had asked Robbie to give me to give us figures. If we had
[34:06] a twelve hour, you didn't do this. No, then have time since he did. Okay. But he might
[34:11] be able to tell you a little bit, not in total the apartment for our shifts, but just to
[34:19] on the peak time frame.
[34:21] If we had six people working 12-hour shift
[34:26] at the end of the year, compared to working a 24-hour shift,
[34:30] why does our cost savings?
[34:34] The actual peak times, when we look at the graph,
[34:37] actually cover 14 hours.
[34:39] 7 o'clock in the morning, till 9 o'clock at night,
[34:43] actual cost of the personnel in your scenario
[34:46] with six people, on the 12-hour shift versus six people, on the 24-hour shift, and it stands
[34:53] right now, based on the union contract wages and stuff, would be the same. Because the
[35:00] a firefighter, parametric, has an established year, we income, regardless of their shift,
[35:06] we work, the thing that only thing that changes is the hourly rate to make up that year
[35:11] So, six people from a salary point of view would be the same amount as on the 24-hour shifts.
[35:22] The one thing that I would say is, and I will put this out there as a fire chief, it's that, if we were completely staffed,
[35:31] as it stands right now, I've come before the board, we know that the station by the prison, they take whichever truck they take.
[35:39] All right, so we know at times that engine is not in service because they run a majority of calls.
[35:45] We know at times the second rescue of this station around the corner is not out.
[35:51] If we were fully staffed, those people were fully staffed going for a seven,
[35:56] and we were experienced with some spikes in our peak demand times,
[36:01] I would say that a polyphogram of trying it for a couple of years to see if it helps
[36:07] would be a solid prudent claim for my staff to consider.
[36:12] However, the overall scheme that we're trying to go with increased safety on the seams,
[36:19] the biggest bang for the dollar for the citizens, and all that kind of stuff, I firmly
[36:24] believe that the six new people on the 24-hour shift that puts that unit in service 24-7
[36:33] is the best option?
[36:43] Chief, I know that you're looking for it now,
[36:46] someplace and all of this stuff that we have,
[36:50] and I apologize to you on it, stuff that we'll tell you.
[36:54] Here we go.
[36:57] You can call it data, you can call it whatever it is,
[36:59] as long as we organize it here right in the UK.
[37:03] We talked a little bit about the last year
[37:06] with the sheriff's budget of comparing various counties
[37:10] with other counties. I know there was a lot of concern and comment that it's like comparing
[37:17] apples and oranges. So, this document, you provided me the day or provided the commissioners,
[37:23] what I did, I threw a lot of the stuff out with the exception of probably one or two of them.
[37:30] Typically, Swanney County looks to me, populations fairly close, square mile is fairly close,
[37:36] budgets fairly close. Number calls, 7,000 calls, 43 paid, 11 volunteers and five stations. That's kind
[37:44] of a fairly decent comparison in my estimation. To go look at Highlands County, that was a comment from
[37:51] one of the folks in the community about what Highlands County did. And I believe it's on here someplace
[38:01] At least I thought he was.
[38:03] It was on the back page.
[38:04] That's Henry on the back page.
[38:06] It was a separate document.
[38:08] It was a second.
[38:08] Highlands.
[38:10] Highlands has a lot of balance.
[38:11] Highlands has a lot of balance.
[38:12] They still have the numbers.
[38:14] A page.
[38:15] A balance.
[38:15] Your stations have a lot of fixed assets.
[38:19] But the point of it was is that then I'll look over at
[38:28] Henry County.
[38:30] Populations close to square mileage is about 1200 square miles.
[38:33] versus our 7-something, their budget is about 2.5 million dollars, their power budget is about 1.0 or
[38:41] EMS budget. So there's about 3.5 million dollars, 6,000 calls. Point of it is, is that it
[38:47] seems to me that if you put 6 people on whether that's 24 hours or 12 hours and you can, it
[38:54] would match up with the project number of calls. I think the number of calls we have right now
[38:59] 1,174 at the end of June.
[39:04] Yes, we're anticipating that by the end of this calendar year, we'll be in 8,254 calls.
[39:12] So when I said 10% about 2014.
[39:15] So when I did compare some of what between on 2014, 2015, the first six months,
[39:22] it might be about 9.2% in terms of increased calls.
[39:26] That's correct.
[39:27] Okay, so the moral of the story is I don't I don't personally I think that from right now
[39:34] What I see is if I compare apples and apples here is the six people probably we could we manage that
[39:42] But I will say this is that I think that unless there is significant growth in the community
[39:48] And I'm talking about population explosion of in the next couple years
[39:53] I think that's where you gonna stay
[39:55] I don't see adding people by grant sounds and waiting, you know, as we play down that picture
[40:01] about putting a grant, getting a grant, putting the people on, and then in and up picking
[40:05] up the cost of the latest time, I don't see that happening unless we start seeing a tremendous
[40:10] amount of influx of people coming in here that is going to change the dynamics and the geographical
[40:16] area that you're serving. So all I said is that I believe of all of this stuff that you've
[40:22] which I certainly appreciate it, that's been quite illuminating to see the number of calls per day, and I agree that your calls are from 7 o'clock till 9 o'clock. 7 o'clock in the morning and 9 o'clock need me.
[40:36] My personal opinion is I see that the six would probably be okay, but I would put the caveat is that that's where it goes.
[40:43] I mean, if you look at Swani County, there's that in 43, you would be sitting at 42.
[40:50] And their calls are probably in association with it, but I would consider that we would not be adding that additional people in the future unless there were some things relative to change in demographics and population and things of that sort.
[41:09] I would agree and in my staff and I would not come forward for extra people unless we had that data that's left
[41:17] against the show.
[41:20] Okay.
[41:22] For the comments?
[41:24] Well, I can tell you that since I was elected in 2008, every year they have come to us for the
[41:31] safer hand for everything and we have refused to let them hire anyone until now.
[41:38] In like I've said, yes, in previous meetings, from 2007 when Stationsville was opened,
[41:44] throughout the end of 2014 to 37% increase in calls with a standard population.
[41:52] There's all kinds of things that are potentially driving that, but the reality is, is that one of the things
[42:00] that is common, craft, and skills to when you go to look at staffing models as to look at
[42:08] a sustained trend not just at the level.
[42:11] And I think that over the time we're showing a sustained trend, even our transports of 27%
[42:19] at the United States period of time.
[42:22] Well, I'll tell you this year with Robbie Chagin, had in the departments come in and give
[42:28] their presentation has really helped us is where you have, where you have been, and where
[42:35] you go in for the future, for the plans are for the county. It gives us an insight to
[42:40] what our future holds for us. And we really appreciate a lot of work from every department
[42:45] has gone into this.
[42:48] I'm not proposing to what Commissioner Burrell said. I think he was absolutely correct. And
[42:52] the reason, thus the reason we do budgets, either every year or in this case, I think it's
[42:58] year system. That's specifically the reason why, because none of us up here have a
[43:03] crystal ball. We don't know what the future is going to hold. We don't know what,
[43:07] you know, the new development is going to bring from overturning it. We know what
[43:10] the power plant. Those are all things. And I think, you know, the whole idea is to assess
[43:14] the needs when those needs arise. So, you can't just continue to go on forever if
[43:19] your population goes up, if your mind calls go up. You certainly have to adjust your
[43:28] the miconsurn about public safety and the fact that we've got to keep all the safety to
[43:33] where that needs to be to protect our citizens. And with that there's no other questions
[43:39] I'd like to make the motion at the bills.
[43:41] I'm sorry.
[43:42] I'm not putting it up.
[43:43] I'm sorry.
[43:43] I apologize.
[43:45] Just a comment.
[43:47] Chief, this comes from somebody that the public yesterday.
[43:53] Apparently they were sitting in a restaurant
[43:55] you know, the fire in the MS come in and they were in the county, the fire in the
[43:59] MS people come in and they had a 911 call, brought the gurney in, and then they brought
[44:06] the gurney out with nobody on. So there's calls, you know, I think from there perspective
[44:11] is it, you know, who pays for those calls? And is there some way that if a person refuses
[44:18] is to go to the hospital or to medical facility. Is there some way for that person to still
[44:26] get charged? If the fact that individual has refused to go, even though they've called
[44:30] 911, that's the question from the public that I had no end for.
[44:35] Yes, there is a mechanism that we have a quite a bit of issues with like that. We currently
[44:40] have an ordinance in place that allows for the bill of the charge of $150 for treatment
[44:47] rendered effective use transport. That is one of my tasks and upcoming months is to look
[44:54] at the EMS coordinates to see if our rates are where we're at.
[45:00] There is a couple of changes in there. I know that we may, because of statutory objectives. But yes, there is a mechanism for that, but when a person is treated and refused this transfer.
[45:13] Do we use that? Are we, are we building these people? No, sir. We don't. That's something.
[45:19] There's the problem.
[45:20] There's the problem.
[45:20] That's something that's interesting.
[45:22] It's going to be implemented.
[45:23] It's going to be implemented.
[45:25] I have meetings with all my staff coming up in the month of December so that we can give
[45:29] them the parameters as when it's going to occur.
[45:33] How about October 1?
[45:36] It'll be in place before then, but I have opportunity where I'll be physically talking
[45:40] with each employee and when we're in a time, so that when I get out of the policy, everybody
[45:45] gets it at one time.
[45:47] Okay.
[45:47] Thank you.
[45:48] Can I just go ahead and go ahead, Margaret, please?
[45:53] When you get to a call and the patient refuses to get to the hospital, can you still build
[45:58] their insurance company for the call and the patient's pay if the patient refuses?
[46:03] I understand from our billing company that that fee for refusal after treatment is not covered
[46:10] by insurance or Medicare or Medicaid.
[46:12] The patient will have illness.
[46:14] So then what you're going to come up to is whether they pay it and will how much right after you're going to have so we may be charging and never receiving it
[46:21] Why does we don't charge it we
[46:27] I had someone
[46:29] Here that story of make for my personal experience where
[46:32] They called them as, came to the house, did not.
[46:36] They decided that the person did not need to go anywhere.
[46:40] And he said, I don't know why it didn't get built.
[46:42] Because obviously the county had expense involved.
[46:45] They came, spent 30 minutes with me, didn't send me a bill.
[46:50] And he said, I thought that was kind of an interesting thing that we,
[46:53] that we, county didn't expect to collect some kind of money on a response.
[46:57] But I can assure you that's only to do this.
[47:01] Well, I will say this is that there's a lot of concern
[47:05] with adding cost and adding people and wherever you'd be doing.
[47:10] The issue is, it's that when you're out
[47:13] of expending dollars to go out and fix somebody else or
[47:16] a 991 call, somewhere along the line,
[47:20] we need to charge those people because the individual
[47:27] another individual that's called about a half a dozen times, even if there are husbands
[47:32] sneezes, they're called for 911 call and the person and you folks have to be dispatched
[47:36] out there. And so at some given time, that's a lot of expense, you know, back to the taxpayers
[47:42] would know retrieval, not your points well taken, probably, is it? Yeah, we may not get something
[47:48] but we don't build it, we may not know. Right, it certainly wasn't meant to say that, not to
[47:52] build, I completely agree with building and I'm glad that the ordinance has it in there and
[47:56] should be using it and the person might call and I mean even if I can't afford to pay the
[48:02] whole thing that they pay part of it. Well, they may not even call and they may not
[48:07] call and they may not be calling. That's the best way to call and you if they, unless they have
[48:12] something seriously, they're going to be charged each time they call. Right. They may think
[48:17] and I'll tell you Chief, that will go a long ways in terms of some folks when they take a look
[48:23] but the additional dollars here and how they're being spent,
[48:27] at least they're saying, well, some people,
[48:28] these people are getting charged even though they may not be
[48:32] paying an M.S. guys, or a fire tax.
[48:37] If I just, I'll make this real brief,
[48:40] because I've seen this happen many times in 21 years,
[48:44] and it happened at the airport.
[48:45] The gentleman didn't take his insulin the morning.
[48:46] He passed out.
[48:48] Someone else called 911 when he gets what that time they got there.
[48:51] because what is new and fine is no need to be transported. So you're going to build that
[48:57] person when in fact as he never called for EMS, someone else did. So there's a lot of variables
[49:02] that take place in. And that goes back to what I was explaining. Many people make a lot of comments,
[49:07] you know, why do the firefighters go to the store and the truck. It's because they're on duty
[49:11] 24 hours. You know, there's a reason for it. But unfortunately, we don't have the ability to answer
[49:17] all those questions that come up. End of legitimate questions. And I'm sure if you ask a firefight
[49:21] I dare they'll tell you or please answer why they do what they do, but most people won't
[49:26] they'll write a letter to the editor or they'll make a comment on Facebook or something because
[49:31] they don't understand the intricate work, inner workings of a public safety.
[49:35] And I think that's important to understand as there's many times when a person has an issue
[49:39] and they come out of it.
[49:40] They don't want to be transferred to hospital and curl all those costs.
[49:43] Many times if it's not a life-threatening transport, they'll go BLS, call in a private ambulance.
[49:49] So they're going to get built twice.
[49:51] That's the whole purpose that we have fire rescue is because they pay for it.
[49:55] People pay for it in their taxes.
[49:57] So now it's a double taxation.
[49:59] They could look at it like double taxation when you run a call.
[50:03] And then they get a bill for what they're already paying for on their tax bill.
[50:07] So it's an understanding.
[50:09] It's an issue of people understanding how the system works.
[50:13] And maybe we haven't done a good enough job
[50:15] explain to people and educate them as how the system actually works and it's finite presentation.
[50:21] We use in your example, I always expect a change.
[50:26] If we went out to the airport and found the individual had a situation,
[50:30] I would expect to achieve to make that determination, whoever's on duty to make that determination,
[50:35] whether or not to build that individual or not.
[50:37] Because it's got to be some managerial process that they exert relative to the process by which they go out on.
[50:45] Now, when you talk about taxpayers paying, there's a lot of people don't pay this.
[50:52] The businesses here pay this the majority of this fee and the people who own homes pay the
[50:58] majority of this fee and there's a lot of people who don't pay this stuff but they're
[51:02] and those people are the ones or the percentage of those people are the ones that they
[51:07] will.
[51:07] Well, these 9-1-1 call, they call 9-1-1, add a flash and guess what, we're out, that's not
[51:14] of dollars, whatever it costs to run that amulet, so the process about billing them is the
[51:19] only way you're going to be able to actively treat people.
[51:22] And the managed URL process that we've given the chief, as him being the department head,
[51:28] is part of his process to be able to manage that.
[51:31] That's the way I would look at it.
[51:32] Well, and that's a fine analogy.
[51:34] What I'm telling you is that every case stands on its own merit, everyone is different.
[51:39] So then you get into a situation where you're trying to cherry-pick which ones apply and
[51:43] No, and you can do that. And I can understand, you know, that you have someone that comes
[51:47] down, you know, that doesn't, there's not a resident here, either full-time or part-time,
[51:52] comes down, has an emergency. Yes, there has to be a mechanism in place to be able to recover
[51:57] those funds. And I certainly can occur with that. But it's not an easy situation to figure
[52:02] out which one should pay, which one shouldn't pay if they're paying it, you know, in attacks
[52:08] as business residential, they all pay it. But what I think the biggest mistake is, is people
[52:13] don't understand that police, fire, AMS, or like when you buy insurance when you car.
[52:20] You pray to God, you never have to use it.
[52:23] But when you do need it, you don't want the general, necessarily, you want a good, reputable
[52:27] company, this dare and train.
[52:30] We need to take care of your needs at any given time, and I think when people look at it from the angle of its an insurance policy, I think they start to understand hurricane.
[52:38] You know, you buy insurance policy. She has to say, okay, I was not going to blow away, but if it does, you want to have someone there to be able to repair it and you go with it.
[52:44] And I think that's the mindset that people have to understand is you're actually buying an insurance policy and how good of insurance policy do you want.
[52:51] Well, as we address the ordinance in regards to the bill bills for the treatment and
[52:56] the refusals, we'll make sure the policies fair and equitable to the best of our bill.
[53:04] I have two final comments and then we'll open public here.
[53:11] And the information that you gave us, one of the questions you asked was about variable staffing
[53:15] or, you know, if you gave us at least eight, I looked at, there were two of them to say
[53:26] they didn't do variable staffing or the other six said yes they do, so they had shifts
[53:32] other than 24 hours shifts to supplement their volume or their high volume times rather
[53:39] than scheduling around a clock. So obviously that's option works in a lot of places and what
[53:46] understanding of you is, is that the union agreement does not allow that or it would be too
[53:52] costly to do that. And we're going to talk about that later in the day. So it's obvious that
[54:01] majority of those eight entities, some are Mercedes, some are McCown, and so forth. But they did
[54:07] use variable staffing to meet those high volume times to, and it might be that if you have
[54:14] in times of 70 and 70 and you might have four people on that year for rather than two people on that year.
[54:22] You put two people on a shift around a clock that still might not fix your problem.
[54:28] My last comment is, you know, over the years some of us have been
[54:37] encouraged the sheriff's department to look at his expenses.
[54:42] And I thought it interesting comparison, I looked at Fire EMS in Maine, that's all three of the entities, and compared it to the corrections budget for the last five years or four years plus the coming year.
[54:58] Corrections is gone from almost $6 million to $5.3 million.
[55:02] Fire EMS has gone from $4.4 million to $5.7 million. The exact reverse of what the sheriff
[55:09] has been able to accomplish in correction. So we're now talking about spending about
[55:15] half a million dollars more than correction departments now spending. And also, at the current
[55:21] budget proposed budget for 1516, it's a million dollars more than prior year, actual,
[55:31] not
[55:31] look, it didn't look, it capital didn't consider capital. It's a million dollars more than
[55:37] the current budget year we have.
[55:41] So that's what I'm concerned about. And after all, this
[55:46] $15 a household is $750,000 we're going to take out of people's pocket in this community.
[55:56] It's coming out of their pockets, man, not,
[56:00] and that's more of the concern. We're taking
[56:02] additional $750,000 in money out of people's pocket in this community, that they might spend,
[56:09] rather than us, man.
[56:12] Go ahead and open a public hearing.
[56:14] This is regards to the annual rate resolution for, in fire safety,
[56:23] as it is a non-advalorum
[56:25] assessment.
[56:28] And the detail is in the budget pack, I mean, in the agenda packet, as anyone here
[56:34] to speak on that.
[56:41] Last call anybody wish to speak on it. Motion. Make the motion to be
[56:47] OCC adopt resolution.
[56:51] Make the motion to put the hearing thank you.
[56:55] Second. Second one. Mr. Burrell.
[57:02] May I have motion in a second to close public hearing those in favor say aye.
[57:06] Aye. Opposed. Like sign. Motion carries.
[57:14] Next item on the agenda.
[57:15] It is to approve the resolution as presented.
[57:23] It's very far other if you wish to do so.
[57:26] I'm a commotion at the BLCC, Dr. Resolution 2015-31 relating to the provision of fire rescue
[57:33] services facilities and programs in the Ocachobe County Municipal Service Benefit Unit
[57:37] for fire rescue services, establishing the rate of assessment, re-imposing fire rescue
[57:43] assessments against assess property located within the Ocachobe County Municipal
[57:47] services benefit unit for fire rescue services for the fiscal year beginning October 1,
[57:53] 2015, approving the assessment role providing force over ability, providing an effective
[57:58] date.
[57:59] Motion by Mr. Cooper, second by Mr. Burrow.
[58:06] Those in favour say aye.
[58:09] Opposed, like sign. Aye. Motion carries 31.
[58:16] Next item on the agenda's public hearing regarding
[58:18] annual rate resolution for emergency medical service and non-advalorum tax assessment.
[58:23] But
[58:29] the EMS rates were adopted.
[58:33] The preliminary rates were adopted at the same July meeting.
[58:37] The rate for the homeowner would be $80.
[58:41] With the proportional 16.67 percent.
[58:45] That's not right. 23.54 percent increase applied to all the other rates.
[58:54] And the same discussion we just had on fire with the six additional employees.
[58:57] and the major capital item is a ambulance,
[59:04] 23.84 percent.
[59:09] Okay. Any questions?
[59:12] Ladies and gentlemen.
[59:16] The same comments to you chief relative to the MSPs, as I said with the fire.
[59:27] Well, the comments, the question will go ahead and open the public hearing.
[59:30] regarding establishing the rate for emergency medical services as a non-advalorant tax assessment.
[59:38] Public hearings now up on anyone which is big on this.
[59:46] Last call.
[59:49] The Commission closed.
[59:50] The Commission closed by Ms. Health.
[59:54] Second by Mr. Culver.
[59:57] Any discussion?
[1:00:01] Pledge of the Board on Resolution 2015-32, regarding EMS services,
[1:00:09] on the closing.
[1:00:11] I'll make a motion that the BEOCC adopt Resolution 2015-32.
[1:00:17] Right, yes.
[1:00:18] Relating to the provision of emergency medical services facilities and programs in the Eclipse of the County
[1:00:22] Municipal Service Benefit Unit for emergency medical services, establishing the rate of assessment,
[1:00:27] re-imposing and we're decimetical services assessments against benefit, benefited, property located
[1:00:33] with the near Richard B. County Municipal Services benefit unit for emergency medical services
[1:00:38] for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2015, approved in the assessment role, providing
[1:00:43] for several ability, providing an effective date. Motion by Mr. Calpair.
[1:00:48] I second by Ms. Helsing. This is to approve. I approve the proposed rate for emergency medical
[1:00:55] Those in favour say aye.
[1:00:58] Aye.
[1:00:58] The others like sign.
[1:01:01] Motion passes.
[1:01:02] Three.
[1:01:02] One.
[1:01:06] Thank you, Chief.
[1:01:07] Thank you, Commissioner.
[1:01:14] General business.
[1:01:17] Sheriff's request to spend due to money.
[1:01:23] Says Monica on here, but I don't see Monica.
[1:01:25] So I guess that.
[1:01:27] Oh, that's Monica.
[1:01:28] I said, okay.
[1:01:32] Monica, you have changed.
[1:01:35] This is a request.
[1:01:36] Just can do too money to balance fiscal year budget.
[1:01:40] I'm not sure if I understand what that means.
[1:01:43] I know if you're dealt my own place.
[1:01:49] You'll see the agenda packet Monica supplied you with the breakdown of the
[1:01:53] monies which is estimated at the time that report was generated to be a
[1:01:58] approximately $90,000.
[1:02:00] Those monies are generated from the senior mills that was here,
[1:02:03] prepares and sends out three senior services,
[1:02:06] and other collection of monies investigated,
[1:02:08] of cost and other things throughout the year that is money is received by the sheriff that
[1:02:14] is given back to the county as revenue. We're asking as we did last year in the so-called
[1:02:20] being a general practice moving forward that those money's collected be used and utilized
[1:02:26] in the back in the sheriff's budget. We are on track of where we should be as you see the
[1:02:34] miscommissioning gives you those financial reports. And we are probably anticipating to have about
[1:02:40] 50,000 of our left of the shares, 14 million dollars budget at the end of the year. It just cuts
[1:02:46] us a little too close to, you know, to make us feel comfortable. Should we get a hurricane? Should we
[1:02:52] have something break? We just want a little bit more money in our coffers so we can expend those
[1:02:58] dollars at the end of the year.
[1:03:03] How
[1:03:06] do we do we notice in the budget somewhere the income as an income stream or something?
[1:03:13] It's just the money that we give back at the end of the year.
[1:03:16] Do we include that as a, you know, most budgets have some revenue showing revenue collected or something?
[1:03:24] In the past up until this 1415 budget, I did budget for share effects as fees.
[1:03:30] I stopped budgeting for share effects as fees in this current budget.
[1:03:33] because it's unpredictable, and because we've reduced their budget down, and they really didn't
[1:03:40] have much more room, so I've not asked for any funds, but I've not asked, but I've not
[1:03:46] budgeted or anticipated any extra funds.
[1:03:47] Return to us.
[1:03:48] Correct.
[1:03:54] Do we not include that kind of stuff in everybody just, I guess we can't include it in the budget
[1:04:00] to start with?
[1:04:01] Well you do.
[1:04:01] The senior meals is put in their budget as an expenditure.
[1:04:05] There's an expanse, I understand that, but we know where we get off-setting.
[1:04:09] I know where it records that expanse, right?
[1:04:11] Oh, and that's, it is a budgeted line, I don't know, it fluctuates, it used to be as many
[1:04:16] as 300, nothing now currently, we're down to 180 or 17, you know, and then we'll go back
[1:04:21] up and see some, but it is a, it is a forecasted number that we tried to develop.
[1:04:27] I mean, I guess my question is, is there some way we could just include this in their budget
[1:04:30] to start with?
[1:04:31] There's no last year we did this in August.
[1:04:33] senior meals are included. The rest of the due to money that they are showing there
[1:04:39] are not included in their budget from what I can tell. But the senior meals are.
[1:04:44] Yeah. I mean, to me, it doesn't sound good to the public. We need this money to balance
[1:04:49] the budget. I would prefer to begin the budget, which it is. I'm not, I'm not, is there
[1:04:54] some way that it should be in the budget rather than us to do this.
[1:04:57] Technically, as in the budget, as they're counting practices and principles, I think that
[1:05:01] have this, you know, these kind of things applied, you know, why and what Ford
[1:05:07] have comes, that's the, that's for those, those folks to answer.
[1:05:12] That's the point that we hold no reserves anymore, and the public doesn't know that.
[1:05:19] Well, I understand that.
[1:05:20] I'm saying when it doesn't know that, if we run out of money, I've got to come back
[1:05:26] before we announced for reserves, which looks like we couldn't make the budget, which
[1:05:29] not the case because you're holding the reserves. That's the point I'd like to make.
[1:05:35] That was it.
[1:05:36] But it's, I mean, I guess my point doesn't make it. It just looks like when you say,
[1:05:40] we've got to fund this to balance your budget that doesn't sound good here.
[1:05:45] That's all right.
[1:05:46] I mean, the money is balanced.
[1:05:47] We're balanced.
[1:05:48] I know that.
[1:05:49] But that's my point. You're all balanced.
[1:05:51] I know that.
[1:05:53] Yeah.
[1:05:54] My balance type.
[1:05:55] I know.
[1:05:56] Very type.
[1:05:57] But when you, you know, to move on, but I'm saying it doesn't look there when you say that, that you need that money.
[1:06:05] I agree.
[1:06:06] To do that.
[1:06:09] It ought to be somewhere to do that other than to balance your budget.
[1:06:12] And I know last year we did this, I think we got all the money back then.
[1:06:16] I mean, very close to all of that.
[1:06:18] We did it.
[1:06:19] It's just like right now we don't know with it.
[1:06:25] We're putting up if nothing happens if this hurricane comes in we're going to pull our shifts
[1:06:30] It's not a thing.
[1:06:31] It's not a thing.
[1:06:32] I understand.
[1:06:32] I don't have a problem with that.
[1:06:34] I just wish there were another way to do that.
[1:06:36] We'll work on that, sir.
[1:06:38] Okay.
[1:06:40] New.
[1:06:41] Refresh that.
[1:06:43] Because we had asked you to return not to anything in reserve.
[1:06:51] So you no longer do.
[1:06:52] I don't.
[1:06:54] We ask that at all every.
[1:06:57] Well, you really have this money in there, right?
[1:07:00] Yes, it's already there.
[1:07:01] This is just a bookkeeping process.
[1:07:03] Yes, it is.
[1:07:05] Okay, it's there.
[1:07:05] All right, so let's just move it.
[1:07:07] That's not home in there, but we go through this exercise each year.
[1:07:12] So, transfer it when you've incurred the expense.
[1:07:18] I don't know.
[1:07:19] Those right back to the situation where, you know, as we have asked,
[1:07:23] I guess in the last two years to take everything out, to take all the water out, just write down exactly what you...
[1:07:30] When you do that, when you have no reserves, it puts us. We're in the same situation where prudent by prunes, we keep three and a half months in our reserves for emergency situations.
[1:07:44] So, holding all the other constitutionals all the way down to flat zero, then when you do have something come up, as we mentioned, then it has to come before the board on an emergency requisition approaches.
[1:07:55] to try to get those monies, and that can be timely, assuming if you need the money very quickly.
[1:08:01] So, I don't have any issue with it.
[1:08:04] It's not an increase in the budget.
[1:08:06] It's just monies that are kept aside, if they're not used, they come back in.
[1:08:12] How make the most of Board of County Commissioners,
[1:08:14] authorized the sheriff to spend his click due to two monies,
[1:08:17] to balance his fiscal year 2014-2015 budget?
[1:08:22] Motion, Mr. Burrow.
[1:08:23] Thank you.
[1:08:23] We have more of them.
[1:08:24] Thank you.
[1:08:24] I'm just helping further discussion.
[1:08:27] Hearing none, those in favour say aye.
[1:08:29] I'd like some.
[1:08:30] No thank you.
[1:08:31] Thank you.
[1:08:31] Thank you.
[1:08:31] Thank you.
[1:08:32] Thank you.
[1:08:33] Thank you.
[1:08:34] Item 3B.
[1:08:35] Request by Nancy Vaughan and Lisa Deem to discuss senior water exercise class.
[1:08:58] Thank you.
[1:08:59] Thank you.
[1:09:01] But it's not just a small fan to some of us.
[1:09:05] As you see, we try an extension.
[1:09:09] Can you figure it out?
[1:09:11] If you get closer to my partner.
[1:09:14] Okay.
[1:09:16] That's matters.
[1:09:18] She's recording.
[1:09:19] Okay.
[1:09:20] Thank you.
[1:09:23] We're asking for an extension of the times that we are allowed to have senior water aeropics.
[1:09:31] As it stands now, while we use to start it in April and getting a May, and then go through to when the pool closes, but as it stands now, it's just for two and a half months.
[1:09:50] And I believe the additional cost is somewhere up to $100 to have the staff and the pool log,
[1:10:02] She always is already there.
[1:10:04] She just has to have one other life car.
[1:10:10] It's also very beneficial for anybody that's disabled or not just seniors.
[1:10:16] I'm not a senior yet, but I go.
[1:10:18] I'm wired with titanium.
[1:10:20] And it has helped my back.
[1:10:21] I hit tremendously.
[1:10:24] I tried the gem over here.
[1:10:26] And it's very tiny the pool over there.
[1:10:29] It's just there's not enough room to even really do exercise as you can get magnified people and they're really and if they have a deep in
[1:10:35] This is a walk pool that we can walk in
[1:10:39] I've been mentioning it to a lot of other people because nobody knows about this program
[1:10:44] We don't really put it out there. I'm from over on the coast. I was born and raised there and I wish we had something like that
[1:10:51] You guys have a beautiful community pool that just not get utilized
[1:10:55] me personally, I try to go, I'm new here, I try telling people about it, I think we need
[1:11:02] to hit doctor's offices, other places because it's a very easy price on them all it, I think
[1:11:07] it's a great benefit and it's a great asset to Okachobi, especially with our senior population
[1:11:12] but you also have a lot of disabled people, and personally the pool doesn't get that cold,
[1:11:19] if we work around shallow schedule with the schools and stuff, I think we can do it,
[1:11:23] And I think it would be a great program, and I've brought two or three people into it myself.
[1:11:28] And we go over to the coffee shop and give them business afterwards.
[1:11:32] So we do try to spread the wealth around a little bit with it.
[1:11:36] And I've developed some great, it's been a community place where I can come out and meet people.
[1:11:41] Because being a new person out here, and I don't work, you're very close with meeting people.
[1:11:46] And this is another source of outcome for other people who have nothing or nobody can meet.
[1:11:51] So I would really appreciate it if you guys would approve it.
[1:11:55] Thank you.
[1:11:55] I will tell you something.
[1:11:57] Lisa.
[1:11:57] Lisa.
[1:11:58] Please don't laugh.
[1:12:00] But looking at me, I actually used to run a gym for people with the average age was 78.
[1:12:06] It found a late worth.
[1:12:08] And the passive resistance with water aerobics was so incredibly beneficial to that age group
[1:12:16] that to not be able to expand on that and see more people benefit from it.
[1:12:20] American, it's a matter of education, educate people that we actually have that facility and offer that service.
[1:12:26] But I taught those classes, believe it or not, and they were fun.
[1:12:30] It gets people involved.
[1:12:32] It gets a lot of people who may have lost their spouse.
[1:12:34] Someone with activity where they can, they could dialogue with other individuals with similar problems.
[1:12:40] And I think the benefit, the benefit, not only from a physical standpoint, they're also from a mental standpoint.
[1:12:45] Because it gets these individuals out of her home and into something where they really thoroughly enjoy and benefit from a physical standpoint.
[1:12:53] So I'm behind you 100%.
[1:12:54] You let me know what I can do beside here and I'll be down there with you.
[1:12:59] Because I love that idea.
[1:13:01] I really do.
[1:13:02] Yeah.
[1:13:02] We also have a great water exercise teacher over there, Shelley.
[1:13:06] Has been phenomenal.
[1:13:08] She's great with the older people that can't get in and out of the pool by themselves.
[1:13:11] She says them. We all sort of just work as a group, but she has been phenomenal with even special
[1:13:17] showing special things to certain people. It's been a great great thing for me and I've been there for two years now.
[1:13:26] What time do you do your classes now?
[1:13:29] 9 o'clock in the 9.15 to 10.15 a.m. Monday, Wednesday and Thursday.
[1:13:35] We were hoping to try to keep that. We talked with Shelley. Shelley said maybe we could do it
[1:13:45] So you're talking about doing it in the afternoon?
[1:13:48] Yes.
[1:13:48] Yeah, three o'clock.
[1:13:50] Something like that.
[1:13:51] If Shelley, that works for Shelley's time frame.
[1:13:57] Good morning.
[1:13:58] One, two, one.
[1:13:59] Let me give you just a little bit of a background.
[1:14:01] Years ago, we used to host this program during this full day when the schools would come
[1:14:05] and we would kind of intermingle the general public with the school system.
[1:14:09] Once upon a time when this was taking place,
[1:14:11] It created a conflict of interest between the school system and the scene of what exercise
[1:14:18] where we don't know if you remember back when George Long was here.
[1:14:21] I remember this.
[1:14:22] All right.
[1:14:22] Because the school system pays for exclusive use of that facility during the day, we're
[1:14:27] not allowed to mix the general public.
[1:14:30] So with what they're asking for, this program would have to go to the afternoons when the
[1:14:34] school system has finished utilizing that facility.
[1:14:37] So, the 30 days in May that they're asking for 25 days that they're asking for May, that would have to be an afternoon program.
[1:14:45] When we go to summer, which is in the June, that program would then go back to the 9.15 to 10 a.m.
[1:14:51] Typically it's a 45 minute program.
[1:14:53] I'm nice to them. I love them getting early. Sometimes I keep them a little later.
[1:14:57] But generally by 10 o'clock in the summer, they're out of the way.
[1:15:02] So, when the school system goes back, mid-August, their program typically ends, they're asking for an extension, so therefore their time would change once again, back to the afternoons.
[1:15:15] But you're still open in the afternoon, aren't you?
[1:15:19] What have school clothes?
[1:15:21] The clothes not currently open?
[1:15:22] No, but I've found that during the summer.
[1:15:24] Oh, during the summer, the clothes is at five.
[1:15:26] Oh, I've had to remember.
[1:15:28] Where are they?
[1:15:28] Our staff is there.
[1:15:29] Early is 16.
[1:15:31] The shop waves.
[1:15:32] Swim program starts as early as 7 a.m.
[1:15:35] They practice from 7 to 9.
[1:15:36] Then we have senior water exercise.
[1:15:39] Swim lessons and things like that.
[1:15:40] Every run told 10.
[1:15:41] Daycares and Day Camps are from 10 to 12.
[1:15:44] During our public storm starts from at one o'clock.
[1:15:48] In your budget, you had asked for extended time.
[1:15:53] When in May were you anticipating opening?
[1:15:57] We actually were planning on opening the pool as early as Memorial Day
[1:16:00] and closing as late as October 1st.
[1:16:03] That was the six weeks that we asked for,
[1:16:06] additionally in this year's budget.
[1:16:08] But this would be additional to that.
[1:16:10] This was an additional to that, but we have to realize too, with this, is that it is May, the schools are still in, and they're still utilizing the pool from time to time, as Shelley was saying.
[1:16:23] So that class goes to three, the only additional expense for us is a additional lifeguard to watch the deck and the pool while Shelley's doing the class.
[1:16:33] So the costs are minimum, there's no more cost and maintenance and utilities.
[1:16:46] Other questions?
[1:16:48] Do you charge for this program?
[1:16:50] It's currently $2 per participant.
[1:16:52] $2 per participant per class.
[1:16:55] Per class?
[1:16:55] Per class, just like going to one.
[1:16:57] Well, swimming is three bucks, so I get a little bit of a discount.
[1:17:00] I will tell you, last year, the school system paid for their employees to participate in the program as well.
[1:17:07] So it benefited our program extremely well.
[1:17:09] this year the school system often not to provide that service to their staff because they
[1:17:16] open the gym. It was part of their wellness committee committee and the teachers would sign in
[1:17:23] and then at the end of the month I would submit that paperwork to the school board. So this year
[1:17:27] we did not have that revenue from the school system. And the school has the pool from what
[1:17:32] morning till noon or after how late does the school have the school system has exclusive use during
[1:17:39] the school day and it depends on each individual school as to the time that they are there.
[1:17:44] Currently right now I have central elementary. Their first bus gets there at 9.35. They're
[1:17:49] there to a little after 11. September 8th I pick up yearling middle school where there will be
[1:17:54] their wiss central so it'll be a little later than the afternoon. Each individual school determines
[1:17:59] the time that they are there to utilize the facility. As well as high school swim team is also
[1:18:04] practicing right now at 5 a.m. and then they will have afternoon swim meets, there's actually
[1:18:10] one next week. On Wednesday, although I received messages this morning, they need to change
[1:18:14] that date to Thursday. So that would be taking place in the afternoon as well. So I'm for them
[1:18:21] to extend their program, however, is going to be a scheduling thing on my end to keep it consistent
[1:18:27] with the times that they're able to come and participate in the program. That's the challenging
[1:18:34] So screw your main stuff for it a lot?
[1:18:38] Or three-thirty, it just depends.
[1:18:41] Like I said, there's a home swim meat next week,
[1:18:45] and warm-up start at 4.30 and meat starts at 5.
[1:18:49] So I only have limited time to squeeze them in and give them out of the way.
[1:18:58] So basically it's a scheduling thing.
[1:19:05] I need a motion.
[1:19:06] Do we need a motion on that to do that, or just say it's okay to do that?
[1:19:13] I'll make a motion that the Board of County Commission is considered a request to middle
[1:19:17] by Nancy Vulman and Lisa Deem of the Senior Water Exercise Class of Okochil B.C.
[1:19:21] In approval for extended pool hours of the sports complex pool from May 1st to September 30th
[1:19:28] and seeking financial support from the Board.
[1:19:34] And the financial support is how much the additional wife guard the financial index has three hundred dollars
[1:19:41] Not three hundred dollars for the additional thirty five days
[1:19:46] and you can handle that right in your budget
[1:19:49] Yes, I figured out
[1:19:51] Motion by Mitch Gauber
[1:19:53] Second, so I give my miss help for other just guys
[1:19:57] And I was in favor say I I
[1:19:59] Like to motion carries
[1:20:01] Thank you. Thank you. I'll half fine with it
[1:20:09] It might be nice to put something on the website about that particular program being available.
[1:20:22] Okay.
[1:20:23] We'll take a break for five minutes.
[1:20:41] Next, next item, one, two, three, see.
[1:20:43] It's a request by Mr. Gurney Business,
[1:20:45] to develop a more vote for Chair of the County.
[1:20:48] Mr. Gurney?
[1:20:51] One thing we before we start.
[1:20:53] Yes, sir.
[1:20:54] is that I'm going to recuse myself from voting on this because I am the president of the Chamber of Commerce.
[1:21:00] And so I think that would make more appropriate.
[1:21:05] We don't have money for any money.
[1:21:07] I don't know.
[1:21:09] I just look like they're working on the community.
[1:21:12] They are very grateful.
[1:21:14] They're very grateful.
[1:21:14] They're very grateful.
[1:21:16] Yes.
[1:21:17] They fixed them yesterday.
[1:21:22] Good morning, commissioners.
[1:21:24] Good morning.
[1:21:24] I'm John Gurney, business development and assistance coordinator underneath the Chamber of Commerce of Oklahoma County.
[1:21:34] I know you prefer answers instead of questions.
[1:21:40] So I'd like to present a plan to you today, which answers the question on how the county can form an economic development arm by implementing a partnership with the Chamber of Commerce.
[1:21:53] This plan will answer many of the points expressed in the strategic plan workshop that we went through back in May in which economic development was a critical key throughout the entire process.
[1:22:09] Business development assistance objectives,
[1:22:16] I've been actively engaged in this for over two years.
[1:22:20] And in that process, I've been able to help over 70 businesses.
[1:22:26] These are both local and about the area.
[1:22:31] Currently, I'm working with three startups and four small businesses wanting to expand, but on a daily basis, I answer business related questions, find them resources, things like that.
[1:22:50] To complete these objectives, I've been able to form a couple of pretty critical networks underneath the chamber.
[1:22:59] One of the primaries is the 17 member
[1:23:06] network representing business support related organizations.
[1:23:11] This would include like the Small Business Administration, Small Business Development Center,
[1:23:17] Score, Manufacturers, Expansion Partnership, a Center for the Regional Planning Council,
[1:23:24] South Florida, Manufacturers Association, and 11 more, including a couple of private companies
[1:23:32] that have joined the organization like Geekson Board, Prickers Insurance has been a big
[1:23:39] help because he carries such a murder line. He's always been a great resource. I also have a
[1:23:47] network of 10 commercial lenders that cover Oakie Chovey County and most people don't understand
[1:23:54] that we have 10, which is a benefit to the county.
[1:23:59] I also work with the OPEC,
[1:24:01] Joby County Board of Relief,
[1:24:03] the Builders Network, and find a commercial property.
[1:24:08] And one of the things that we want to do
[1:24:10] is upgrade the commercial listings
[1:24:14] on the Chamber website so that we have
[1:24:17] a more accurate picture of what's available
[1:24:20] on OPEC, Joby County, because we do have
[1:24:22] site selectors in that website all the time.
[1:24:27] Now, one of the keys to the success on this has been, I work with the company and we complete
[1:24:35] an information form.
[1:24:37] In that form, it describes the company gives a little background, but one of the main components
[1:24:42] is they have an opportunity to express hurdles that they're encountering things that
[1:24:51] stop their progress, it could be a myriad of things. Once we've completed that form, I
[1:24:58] sent it out to the members of these networks. I gather all their responses back, remit
[1:25:05] with the company, and from that point we look at all of them in form of gameplay, and I
[1:25:11] can tell you it works extremely well. And it's kind of nice on one side because when the
[1:25:21] because they want the business.
[1:25:26] As I mentioned, 70 businesses, they're both local and out of town, because I'm constantly
[1:25:31] looking for recruiting businesses to come in.
[1:25:35] One of the recent ones was Brian Mayhol at the city contacted me and said that they have
[1:25:42] a restaurant that's poking around, looking at all the Chobit County, and would I mind stepping
[1:25:47] in and working with them, and as a decorsionate.
[1:25:50] So it ended up being a attorney out of Atlanta.
[1:25:54] So I was able to supply demographics, the FDOT traffic study,
[1:26:02] I included Matt Schelling, Ocachobe County Central Location,
[1:26:07] as well as available sites, and answered a whole
[1:26:10] myriad of other questions.
[1:26:12] Right down to have to have a refrigerated dumpster.
[1:26:16] You know, but those are the little things that add up at the end to four of the picture.
[1:26:24] Fortunately, everything went well and that committed to it.
[1:26:27] We know that it's XB's restaurant and they're going to be starting, you know, the building process on the property of West of the host office pretty soon.
[1:26:40] But that's just one example.
[1:26:42] I have a lot of those that I'm balancing right now trying to keep up.
[1:26:49] The other thing that I'm kind of proud of is we've...
[1:26:53] I've been working with IRSC to develop incubators out of the college.
[1:27:00] Ocachoic campuses, I believe, the only one of the IRSC network where they don't offer incubators.
[1:27:09] So, this incubator is for a bakery company in the kitchen at the wheels in the center.
[1:27:16] We're excited about it, of course, the bakery company is excited about it, and IRSC is excited about it.
[1:27:23] Because they just went through a nice expansion and put a beautiful lamp in for air conditioning, electrical things like that,
[1:27:31] This will open the door to the local campus to put more incubators in.
[1:27:38] So that's what we're trying to do there.
[1:27:43] I was also able to get a $50,000 USBA grant,
[1:27:49] which will enable the chamber to set up a revolving loan fund.
[1:27:54] This loan fund is designed to be able to give
[1:27:59] micro loans of $5,000 to start ups and small businesses wanting to expand. Small business
[1:28:09] and this is under five employees and under a million dollars in revenue.
[1:28:15] This is the
[1:28:16] little shot in the arm that they need to get over the hump and get started and start
[1:28:20] getting revenue. From that point on they're producing our own revenue so then we're out
[1:28:26] picture. They do repay it to $200 or most payments back, and this is what's going to perpetuate
[1:28:34] this far in the future.
[1:28:54] On this slide in your agenda packet, you have a two-page document
[1:29:00] which explains a lot of the deliverables in much more depth. I put a couple important bullet points
[1:29:10] on the screen because it's part of the whole movement of moving this process forward.
[1:29:20] The last line isn't in the packet, but I think when you read that, you'll see that
[1:29:28] that is the bottom line that we're all looking for, because I help the business environment
[1:29:35] creates lifestyle opportunities, everybody does well, and a big portion of everything that
[1:29:43] I do in this is to add money into the tax roll copper so that we can do other things,
[1:29:52] keep the roads maintained, big the ditches, all of this stuff.
[1:29:59] John, fine.
[1:30:00] Are you wrong that page? Can I ask you a question?
[1:30:04] Can doubt that at least two sites selected visits for moving the county? Are you doing that now?
[1:30:10] Or is that?
[1:30:12] Not in a conservative effort. I go to a lot of different things. I'm going to a
[1:30:18] Relators panel. I think the first part of the month. But I attend things like that to
[1:30:26] in more information and bring those resources back.
[1:30:30] Because one to the job, the side selectors,
[1:30:33] and that is how you recruit, attempt to recruit when you business it.
[1:30:38] My correct.
[1:30:41] Prior to my being elected, we did do the site selectors.
[1:30:44] Why did you do that?
[1:30:45] The John is basically taking the functions that I used to do relative to going to the site
[1:30:50] collectors working with Freddie in the F-R-E-D-C or on the coast, and he'll be doing those
[1:30:56] particular sites like a visit to one coming up in Chicago. I'm very shortly.
[1:31:01] I knew you did. I didn't know if he could take it out.
[1:31:03] He's basically taking that response to that.
[1:31:06] The lot of what I had to do was one on the moon when I find...
[1:31:10] Oh, you do a great job. I know the business is contact you. I just didn't know how.
[1:31:16] You went out to recruit new businesses for our area.
[1:31:19] Well, as I find on my reach out to them, so, you know, I like to build an extensive resource list
[1:31:27] because a certain building out of the airport may not suit everybody, but it could suit one person.
[1:31:38] Like right now, I'm going through a research and now a solar panel company and the manufacturer.
[1:31:44] Because I like to get more clean manufacturing into...
[1:31:52] This has kind of been overview of both entities' roles in the community and to make this project move forward.
[1:32:06] The business development and assistant coordinator position is very critical to moving all of this forward as far as being a primary focal point.
[1:32:22] for not only businesses looking at the county, but also as the counties
[1:32:28] are up lay as on to the businesses. So that entails getting more
[1:32:34] active with all the different departments, you know, working with the
[1:32:39] department heads, getting that type of information. The other important part is
[1:32:46] delivering a consistent message and that would be all the background people
[1:32:51] because now I've done it long enough where I know exactly the piece of paper that gets their
[1:32:56] attention.
[1:32:57] And I'll tell you the FDA who team a traffic study has been a big help.
[1:33:02] When we can show 32,000 vehicles going east and west on Highway 70, it counters them looking
[1:33:11] at the population and saying, well they don't even have 40,000 people, how are they doing
[1:33:16] sustain my business, though we're going to do it because of the Chobes, the central point
[1:33:22] at the top of the lake, everybody can find it and it's a stop-off point. So like in the
[1:33:29] case of the restaurant, the 40,000 residents that we have is only part of their clientele.
[1:33:37] They're looking at stop and all those cars risen by their front door every day. And that's what
[1:33:42] want to do and that was one of the selling points that got him. So the
[1:33:53] roles are very important
[1:33:54] that the county's role in this is the referral of business contacts to me from all the different
[1:34:05] departments. And it could be the tax collector that just issued a business license. Once she
[1:34:14] does that everything stops and we don't need that time.
[1:34:20] I want to be able to help ensure their success and maybe coordinate some different things
[1:34:27] with them, you know, according with coordinating with career source, IRSC, on worker training.
[1:34:34] Fortunately, I have an extensive bank round in that, so that's an easy one for me.
[1:34:39] And they're very receptable to it because part of their funding hinges on doing these
[1:34:44] but things anyway so it's a good match.
[1:34:50] That gets that kind of help explain the open door
[1:34:54] policy because I think we really need to open up communications and I think working with all
[1:35:02] the department has not only can I help them but they could certainly help me in economic development
[1:35:08] as well. So that communication is critical. We're also asking for a $30,000 commitment from
[1:35:19] the county to help supplement this. Because I can tell you right now, I put in probably
[1:35:26] 60 to 80 hours a week and we just really need to help supplement that. Because it's a lot
[1:35:33] of expense time.
[1:35:41] So I think all of this creates a plan that's workable for everybody.
[1:35:49] So the county is not directly involved in trying to recruit businesses in here. We don't
[1:35:55] want to get burned like saying it was the county house in the past laying out big bucks
[1:36:01] for projects or collapse on them. I think, you know, I'm a firm believer in economic
[1:36:07] during gardening, you know, growing your own jobs and incomes at home.
[1:36:11] The other goal that I want to really pursue is raising the wages, because now what happens
[1:36:18] as a site select or pulls up the demographics, they see the median household income is
[1:36:23] 30,000, and their mind that's two people work, and they flip the switch to off saying there's
[1:36:30] no skilled workforce there.
[1:36:32] We don't get a shot.
[1:36:33] So what we want to do is open that door and as part of the consistent message which will include employee employer employee training.
[1:36:44] So I think with your support we can move forward.
[1:36:48] I think it would be a great combination for both the chamber and the county because the chamber is 100% dedicated to economic development.
[1:36:59] that's what the chamber is. And we've made a strong point of separating all the different
[1:37:06] entities. So there's no confusion between what this one does and what that one does.
[1:37:13] So, any questions?
[1:37:16] Okay, the many for the chamber does it come from the businesses in town or do you give any grant
[1:37:22] money to help or how do you run this.
[1:37:27] I know.
[1:37:27] I know.
[1:37:30] And now I pay a membership. Is that from your salary or to the salary reserve?
[1:37:37] Let me help you, Mel.
[1:37:39] Yes. The membership is, the membership money is displayed in their pays, the executive director
[1:37:43] that runs the Chamberlain itself relative to the business, you know, what we do as a
[1:37:48] Chamberlain. The business development and the business assistance group has been all volunteer
[1:37:53] about myself, part of my election, and in John Gerny, and Bill Dover, and some other folks.
[1:38:03] So the money that you provide as a membership goes to play the executive director's
[1:38:09] position by which she is not involved in the business development piece so that we have
[1:38:13] separated that due to the fact of the confidentiality of working with these particular companies.
[1:38:20] I think John, John, John doesn't get a salary.
[1:38:27] Only, there's only one salary in Chamber.
[1:38:28] That's the executive director.
[1:38:30] John's time, my time, bills, time was all donated.
[1:38:34] And trying to do things and bring in any companies that we brought into this community.
[1:38:40] At one time, that was what tremendous burden.
[1:38:45] But with everything that we have in place now,
[1:38:48] it is literally more than a full-time job.
[1:38:52] I'm a level of 30, 12 o'clock every night, answering emails, coordinating things.
[1:39:00] Fortunately, over the years, I've been able to make a lot of great contacts by Sherry
[1:39:05] Martin at the DOE.
[1:39:09] I think that things like that are very valuable, especially when I can bring somebody like
[1:39:15] at the table, and Sherry has agreed to come down and meet with entities that were working
[1:39:22] on to, and she also brings enterprise floor, but with her too, which is a huge thing.
[1:39:30] But I've got some other projects that I'm working on now that are that are monsters, and
[1:39:35] you know, we need to keep moving forward on all of that.
[1:39:38] So I like to be in a position where I can come to the commissioners and say, this is what's
[1:39:45] on. This is what the company is looking for. What can we do to solve that? And then bring in your
[1:39:53] department heads to find out what they can contribute. And then once we have that that we can get into
[1:39:59] that final deal, playing and set up the meetings and all that. So I think that's kind of where we're
[1:40:05] headed because Ocachobe County is starting to get a lot of attention. John Kiki. I want to make
[1:40:15] option be out of line of what actually is. What I see is, first of all, I've never seen
[1:40:20] the county that was successful at the time that they didn't have an active workable
[1:40:23] chamber. And what I see is the chamber basically relates to people as they open up a new
[1:40:28] business, then they go to the chamber and the chamber directs them, helps them publicity, whatever.
[1:40:35] But the position of the business development is actually to get those businesses to come here
[1:40:39] in the first place. So that's the delineation I see between the two. And we've had discussions
[1:40:45] And everything I've asked you about you followed up on as with the, the, the, the sort of things because with the, you know, the new power plant coming and they're going to have a solar field. I said, well, what a great thing if we have a solar panel of company come in and use one of the buildings we have in industrial park. That's why I'm so happy to see us moving forward on the mitigation problems with set of size there. But what I also do is I know that like a tourist development council, that they do exactly that. They bring in tourism.
[1:41:14] But I think it's also important to have a second phase of that or an equal phase of that to be business development to come in on actually open up businesses because the two are so incredibly important.
[1:41:25] One is a thing where we have a lot of influx of people come and go, come and go, which is good.
[1:41:30] But the other part of us is the sustainability over the years that they have businesses to come in to be attractive.
[1:41:35] And I think that that position, to me it's so incredibly important because I've seen it work.
[1:41:40] If you have a good business development yet, good chamber, your county here, your city's going to grow.
[1:41:46] Looking at the mind, a lot of these companies are very secretive about what they're doing.
[1:41:51] Sure. So you'll have Joe Blow walking to the chamber and simply ask the question,
[1:41:56] where can I get more information on doing business in Ocachova County?
[1:42:00] That's when I get the phone record.
[1:42:03] I mean, I don't think the guys left the room before Mariahs called me on the phone
[1:42:07] of this contact information or hers in the case of the Atlantic journey.
[1:42:13] So, you know, that's where somebody needs to jump in right then.
[1:42:17] And even if they don't want to give you the company name, that's fine.
[1:42:21] I just need to know the nitty-gritty of what you're looking for, kind of what the business
[1:42:27] is about.
[1:42:28] What are you lacking?
[1:42:30] What can I do for you?
[1:42:31] You know, I want to be the guy standing on the ground that they know they can contact
[1:42:36] to do the web out from there, and it's worked extremely well, so that's what we're going for.
[1:42:42] So this $30,000 is that to have go to the job, that's not a selector. Is this what this is for?
[1:42:53] Well, it's basically for my salary, so that I'm not a county employee as such.
[1:43:00] I mean, it's a hell of a thing in a good position where I don't need a retirement plan,
[1:43:07] I don't need health insurance, you know, so it is what it is, but I definitely need to
[1:43:15] help, and I need to do even more than I'm doing now, and it's just financially not able
[1:43:23] to do that.
[1:43:25] In these meetings, you know, I've got another meeting coming up in North Palm Beach,
[1:43:29] that's going to be critical in our control of each.
[1:43:33] But I'm very good at looking partners together, like the FPO Power Plan.
[1:43:38] I'm cooking them up with the G-A-Project that's going to be a nice partnership.
[1:43:42] They're going to work out for each other because the G is going for 100% green certification,
[1:43:47] including producing their own power.
[1:43:50] That access will be sold to that FPO plant right there to go online.
[1:43:55] vice versa if there is some kind of a catastrophe, that power plant will literally have an extension
[1:44:03] forward into a GIF or Maca.
[1:44:06] So those are the things that keep businesses moving forward when you can give them those resources
[1:44:11] and the circumstances.
[1:44:14] Well, the other thing to you, John, is because you mentioned that, that also has a component
[1:44:19] of, we know that we're talking about water quality going into the lake.
[1:44:24] What this project you're talking about the water quality is held clean past off drinkable back into the system and back into the late
[1:44:32] So those are the kinds of things that the job that you do is so invaluable to the county and for what the return of that 30 thousand dollars would bring to this county
[1:44:43] It's almost laughable, you know, and you can't certainly can't ask someone to work as hard as you've worked
[1:44:49] You know over the time that you've done it with no compensation you spend your own gas
[1:44:53] They go to these meetings at that. I think I don't God bless you because I don't know that I would have the enthusiasm
[1:45:00] We have to do that much work. And not to be compensated in any way, shape or form, and by doing this, you know, you're
[1:45:06] saw that that $30,000, if it was a county employee would then be $60,000. Because of the benefit package,
[1:45:12] you know, and the insurers and everything. So, I think it's an incredible investment. I certainly would support it
[1:45:18] 1,000, because I've seen already the results of what you've done, you know, and it's just, it's incredible, you
[1:45:27] benefit return that we're going to get off of what you've done just at this point.
[1:45:31] So, I mean it's like having a tourist, it's like trying to attract tourists without a tourist
[1:45:35] development council.
[1:45:37] And the best way I can relate to that is that I went through it as the young kid we moved
[1:45:41] and I went into a new school and didn't know anybody.
[1:45:43] And I was lost and it's the same thing when someone comes here.
[1:45:46] They've got someone that's a focal point and they can answer the questions with a nice attitude
[1:45:51] because you are the first impression they're going to get to this county or whoever's in that position.
[1:45:55] And you don't get a second chance, and if that person feels like we really want them here,
[1:46:00] that's going to go a long way to bring them here.
[1:46:03] I think it's important.
[1:46:04] Well, yeah.
[1:46:05] You know, it's Main Street Church development.
[1:46:08] They bring people into town.
[1:46:10] The goal is that when they come into town, they say, wow, what a vibrant community.
[1:46:17] You know, it hits me between the eyes every time that I drive through town, not so much now.
[1:46:24] But when we have all those vacant storefronts, they've drove me crazy, and they're thinking
[1:46:28] all I can see is that's like a death spiral.
[1:46:32] Now, when you drive around, I can only think of the one vacant scene now down down, because
[1:46:40] I've been able to put people into those slots, get them going, and create more revenue streams
[1:46:47] for the county.
[1:46:49] So a lot of people don't understand how each thing works off of each other.
[1:46:53] So that's something we're trying to promote through the leadership of the Chow because finding out this one relates to this and relates to that.
[1:47:04] So it's been a great education experience and I'm happy to be participating in that.
[1:47:10] You know, that's kind of where it is. I know it's a short story, but you're all totally aware of economic developments.
[1:47:16] So you know of the importance of it.
[1:47:19] So I just wanted to put that proposal out in front of you
[1:47:22] to see if we can't partner up and move forward.
[1:47:26] Rob, do we have an identifyable funding source
[1:47:28] that this money could be pulled from?
[1:47:33] Just, I mean, generally, when we've had this type of thing
[1:47:36] before, we just put it in on a corporate service area,
[1:47:39] which is part of sales tax dollars, nothing.
[1:47:41] Just a general revenue.
[1:47:45] Well, you could take it out of your million and a half dollars.
[1:47:49] Yes, who's not it?
[1:47:50] that's not an ongoing source and I have another idea for that anyway that I need to share with you before.
[1:47:54] But economic development, I'm going to have dollars.
[1:47:59] Well, the other thing that I want to do is keep all of you informed of what's going on too.
[1:48:04] You know, I do a monthly report to the chamber and to the business development segment of that chamber.
[1:48:12] But I've been sharing a lot of that with Robbie lately, and I think that first one I sent you kind of
[1:48:20] I could picture you thinking, you know, God, here's eight pages of ten point types, you know, do I really need to read all of this?
[1:48:28] It gives you the background.
[1:48:30] I read it all.
[1:48:31] Yeah.
[1:48:31] I like it.
[1:48:32] And then I do the monthly updates.
[1:48:34] I cut out the ones that are either done open and I'm finished with or they craft out.
[1:48:40] Couldn't make it.
[1:48:41] Couldn't come up with the financing.
[1:48:43] Whatever it is.
[1:48:45] So when I do that monthly report,
[1:48:47] it is only the ones I'm working on that are active, and it's normally like two pages.
[1:48:54] So there's a lot going on out there, and I think you all need to know that,
[1:48:59] and I don't need to be the lone wolf running around in the shadows.
[1:49:03] You know, doing this stuff, we need to work on it together.
[1:49:07] I would appreciate you coming before us to tell us something, because you sort of like the person that you do a lot of work,
[1:49:16] but you're never on the front page of the newspaper.
[1:49:19] It's not going to be here for you.
[1:49:21] It's not going to be here for you, right?
[1:49:22] You're doing a lot of work for us.
[1:49:27] So do we need a motion for you?
[1:49:28] Do you get some kind of report from John now?
[1:49:32] Yes, we just started that.
[1:49:34] I used to get from Michelle Rose when he was doing it.
[1:49:36] But now.
[1:49:37] Because that would be nice.
[1:49:39] Question about, you know, what?
[1:49:43] First of all, I like to say that.
[1:49:45] need to keep government out of economic development. It's much as possible for a lot of
[1:49:52] reason. Certainly early on, because people don't want it to be known publicly and anything
[1:49:57] that government gets involved with it is public. So I have no problem with that idea, but I certainly
[1:50:04] have, if the county is going to give $30,000 to an entity, then we need to have some kind of
[1:50:10] going report about what's happening, obviously you don't have to have company names and
[1:50:18] that because a lot of times again, they don't want that necessarily public until they make
[1:50:22] a decision.
[1:50:24] Well that's why it works for me to send it to Robby because she understands that it's
[1:50:30] confidential.
[1:50:31] I mean she shares what we do, you're going to understand it's confidential.
[1:50:34] But telling you still not, it's not confidential, I mean if you share it at the board
[1:50:41] John doesn't share names. He will share a company.
[1:50:45] You can do project names. He does.
[1:50:47] Fictitious names and you'll be fine.
[1:50:49] He doesn't share any types of names.
[1:50:51] I'm not expecting that.
[1:50:53] We want to do that.
[1:50:55] That was one of my questions to help the board of making your decision.
[1:51:00] What do you want in return for the $30,000? What are you looking for?
[1:51:06] This is part of your strategic plan.
[1:51:08] And it could be an answer that element, you know, that we created was, you know, to we were talking about hiring a coordinator, this could be in lieu of the coordinator.
[1:51:18] Uh-huh.
[1:51:19] Are we talking about hiring someone?
[1:51:21] Or we're talking about hiring someone.
[1:51:22] No, no, sir.
[1:51:22] I'm saying in the strategic plan, we discussed hiring, and I got on my coordinator.
[1:51:27] That was part of the discussion.
[1:51:29] What I'm saying is in lieu of doing that on the county side, you would give the change for the money and however they choose to use it with John's assistance.
[1:51:38] through this process.
[1:51:40] That removes the step away from the county.
[1:51:42] That removes it.
[1:51:43] Oh, no, I don't want to count to be involved.
[1:51:45] That's what I mean.
[1:51:47] My direct link is to the chamber.
[1:51:50] So then, I thought, was how do you measure?
[1:51:53] Right.
[1:51:53] How effective the $30,000 was.
[1:51:55] Right.
[1:51:56] That was my question about reporting or feedback or whatever.
[1:52:01] Because this is just we had to have some investigation for the $30,000 being spent.
[1:52:10] John Zatsby says a good example, what do you think the economic benefit is going to be to the
[1:52:15] accounting, financial economic benefit from Zatsby?
[1:52:18] Number one, you're looking at over 50 jobs.
[1:52:21] I mean, that's huge.
[1:52:22] The tax base itself off of by a 24-7 restaurant is another major tax.
[1:52:32] Just having that property cleaned up with a beautiful building on how do you put a price on that?
[1:52:39] The 50 employees is probably part-time and not full-time. They're probably not 50 years. FCEs.
[1:52:46] In terms of some of the other things that John is going to be working on, we have a larger project that it's been handed over to him.
[1:52:55] that will fill a larger building in the downtown area. So that particular one will help quite a bit in terms of what we're doing.
[1:53:05] So as far as measurables, I mean, obviously the report can be a measurable, if you can talk about the number of jobs,
[1:53:11] he creates relative to the opportunities.
[1:53:15] And I think the tax value, if there's a new building comes in, that's a measurable opportunity there.
[1:53:22] If you choose to do that.
[1:53:24] Yeah, I'm not forcing that just now.
[1:53:25] What is that feedback?
[1:53:28] Those are the things I can.
[1:53:30] Right.
[1:53:31] Right.
[1:53:31] That's all I'm asking.
[1:53:32] But easy to track.
[1:53:33] I would think.
[1:53:34] Well, some of that you can track off the tax collector too.
[1:53:37] The trail after the business licenses.
[1:53:40] You know, planning and designing.
[1:53:41] You know, once they go through that.
[1:53:43] But there's another good example.
[1:53:45] When they start talking to planning and zoning,
[1:53:47] I'd like to get that call.
[1:53:49] Well, another thought I had, too, not just increase in tax base, but reduction in vacant space.
[1:53:55] Absolutely.
[1:53:56] You know, which would be to counter that we may not have a business in there right now, but if you put a business in a vacant spot, it certainly makes you look more vibrant.
[1:54:04] You know, then there's the circulation of those dollars in the community.
[1:54:09] When I was on the Council of 100 up in the Highlands County years ago, we had a real problem with vacancy's downtown and other commercial buildings.
[1:54:17] So I was able to work out kind of an incubator program with them because if you own a vacant building, it cost you on a daily basis model.
[1:54:29] So with that program, they were very emiable to letting a startup move into that building at one third of the rent.
[1:54:38] that one-third more than paid all the expenses on that building.
[1:54:44] The second year went up to two-thirds, the next year went up to full ramp,
[1:54:49] and they either had the option of paying full ramp or moving.
[1:54:55] But what it did is it gave a constant income to the property owner
[1:55:00] so that they had some revenue come in and instead of the thing,
[1:55:03] sitting there in the deteriorating empty while they're still paying all the
[1:55:08] other expenses, and it worked extremely well. That's how we were able to rebuild that
[1:55:12] on top. You know, that whole thing would work here just as well. I'm thinking that would
[1:55:20] also apply to the industrial parks. You know, the airport has a little advantage because it
[1:55:26] has existing buildings. So why not put somebody in there? Even if it's an incubator program,
[1:55:31] at least we got some revenue coming in for it. And as you know, they can build and deteriorate
[1:55:36] in an occupied building,
[1:55:43] so any other question?
[1:55:44] Robin, were you happy with the report that John gave you?
[1:55:49] Yes, I think it's very detailed and provides exactly what they're doing when he's communicating.
[1:55:53] He's actually very, very detailed.
[1:55:55] I've complimented him on that, actually, that's one of his shining stars.
[1:56:01] He does do a very good job of communicating the information that's happening.
[1:56:06] And I don't repeat what was on that last time. It's the new stuff. He's following up with people. He's not just letting them come to him. He turns around and contacts them again, make sure they don't be anything further.
[1:56:21] So even people I have a talk to them that say a month, I still do the follow-up calls to find out where they are.
[1:56:28] If you run into a hurdle, if you run into a hurdle that sticks it, because my goal was to keep everybody moving forward.
[1:56:36] Follow-up.
[1:56:37] Well, you're dead in the water if you don't do the follow-up.
[1:56:40] Because I don't think they think they don't care.
[1:56:43] They go.
[1:56:44] And we care.
[1:56:49] Thank you very much for your time.
[1:56:51] Thank you, John.
[1:56:54] Pleasure to board.
[1:56:55] Make a motion.
[1:56:56] Excuse me.
[1:56:57] Make a motion at the Board of County Commission.
[1:56:58] We're going to consider a request submitted by the Business Development Board of
[1:57:02] Bokachilby County, Seeking Economic Development Funding to support the Business
[1:57:06] Development Board of Bokachilby activities and determine whether or not to approve
[1:57:10] funding request of $30,000.
[1:57:13] We have a motion.
[1:57:15] Second.
[1:57:15] Second by Miss Health.
[1:57:16] Did we need to stipulate an end motion as a one-year agreement?
[1:57:21] That's how the board wants.
[1:57:22] That's what it says in the mind.
[1:57:24] And he said whether or not to prove it, so I would probably try to prove.
[1:57:29] Sure.
[1:57:30] I'll amend my motion.
[1:57:31] I'll approve.
[1:57:32] I'll amend my motion to approve funding request of $30,000 for one period of time of one year.
[1:57:39] Okay, motion by Mr. Gopper, second on Miss Elton, further discussion?
[1:57:45] Let me just point out to the board, there have been some court rulings that indicate
[1:57:50] that when a private entity receives funds from the county, that then makes that private
[1:57:57] entity and their use of those funds, subject to the sunshine law and the public records
[1:58:02] law.
[1:58:03] So it's not a guarantee, I understand what Mr. Garnier's concern is with confidentiality
[1:58:09] of companies coming to him, but that may change if the Chamber then takes money from the
[1:58:16] county.
[1:58:19] Isn't it based on what they spend it on in the report, the financial reporting of the
[1:58:23] expenditures, public?
[1:58:25] It is, and there's no hard and fast rule.
[1:58:28] Some of it seems to be tied to whether the private entity is fulfilling a governmental
[1:58:32] function, for example, the county that would traditionally be providing a recreational facility.
[1:58:39] if they
[1:58:43] delegate that function to a private entity and pay for it, then that, in that case,
[1:58:50] the private entities, records are probably subject to the subject to the public records law,
[1:58:54] and their activity is subject to the sunshine law. I have somewhat like that.
[1:58:59] Yeah, and I'm not saying I have a research this, but I just want the board to be aware that that's
[1:59:04] a possibility of hanging out there, that providing the money then makes them subject to the sunshine
[1:59:10] on the public records law.
[1:59:13] Before we got it, might I suggest that we have Council, though, look into that a little bit
[1:59:17] further so that, and then also the chamber consider the implications if that in fact will
[1:59:25] be an issue.
[1:59:30] Well, I don't know if the chamber is now
[1:59:34] under the sunshine law.
[1:59:36] No.
[1:59:36] They're not.
[1:59:37] And if you have, if you have sunshine law, that kind of takes away the confidentiality
[1:59:43] discussions that, well, they might have.
[1:59:49] Well, the issue, like, let's take for instance, this is the development board of
[1:59:53] Martin County.
[1:59:55] There's money provided by Martin County.
[1:59:58] In fact, I think they're predominantly fun.
[2:00:00] By Martin County. And what, and their board is held under, I remember what Tim told me, and they
[2:00:10] did board is held under the Sunshine Law, but I think they've divided out how that money is spent.
[2:00:16] And so we still protect the confidentiality of the person we're dealing with, but that I do believe
[2:00:24] they're held under the Sunshine Law.
[2:00:27] Would it mean that's much different from when the county supported the brand new chamber than we were resurrecting it?
[2:00:38] It was subject then that's come we've had this discussion back at that point
[2:00:42] And that was the only hesitation, you know, about funding the last time was because of the sunshine and do you want to subject that in the reporting?
[2:00:52] I mean, if you were by by a sunshine law, that makes it very difficult to have discussions
[2:00:57] and confidence,
[2:01:00] because two board members need to talk about it.
[2:01:04] And you have to have everything you talk about, has to be an announced, published, board
[2:01:08] meeting, and anybody wants to control it.
[2:01:12] Well, in reality, the way the board is set up for it present time.
[2:01:15] the business development and business assistance committees, we don't read out to the general
[2:01:23] board in here. Because of the confidentiality of what they did, but this is an agreement
[2:01:31] with the chamber. I understand it, but I think we can probably have the, because see the business
[2:01:36] about the chamber, your disagreements with the business development board. The chamber is
[2:01:42] do in business as, so the business development board is the entity by words you can separate
[2:01:48] the money.
[2:01:49] That's right.
[2:01:49] Well, it says that the OPEC County Chamber of Commerce has gone endorses, every month.
[2:01:55] We can change it around to show the business development board whether it is the separation
[2:02:00] of the money, but if that is the result of the issue.
[2:02:05] Mainly, they do not just support the chamber to go and get members and collectors, we want
[2:02:12] I'll take it to the next level.
[2:02:14] Problem is, I would suggest that you might be better served to ensure that you don't open
[2:02:19] yourself up to the sunshine and law before you do this.
[2:02:24] That would be my suggestion.
[2:02:27] That's fine.
[2:02:27] Because that change is everything that you can or can't do, John,
[2:02:35] you know, and it opens
[2:02:36] you out to many opportunities for people to accuse you of being operating outside the Sun
[2:02:44] China.
[2:02:45] So, but we have a motion in a second.
[2:02:52] So, as me, like Council was suggesting that we may think about this for a little bit
[2:02:56] before we do it.
[2:02:57] Well, we just want to make sure both parties are protected, and I certainly have, I mean,
[2:03:01] I love the concept, but if Council has an issue where she's concerned about the board's
[2:03:06] decision, then we certainly need to clarify that before.
[2:03:09] It's not a fact of the fact that we are in some kind of detects of chamber and misgurn.
[2:03:16] I mean, we don't know how difficult that is.
[2:03:21] They want to use that as something against them.
[2:03:24] Here, how is that?
[2:03:26] What kind of an adverse effect is that going to have it?
[2:03:28] If we, you know, if we do, if we support this?
[2:03:35] As I said, the business of all of the war is the corporation.
[2:03:41] and you have a, you have a EVA as a chamber of commerce. Basically what you do is you set the
[2:03:46] books up under the business development board and John's confidentiality has to be held there
[2:03:52] because they really don't have a board, right? This is one of the socials of our committee and
[2:03:58] it's just as committee as a subcommittee of the Chamber Board. So I don't think they can discuss it
[2:04:07] board meeting this week and have a discussion because we have a board meeting tomorrow so they
[2:04:12] can have a discussion if you approve it today then if they feel uncomfortable with it and
[2:04:17] I'll talk to John today the fact to feel uncomfortable with it will figure out how to do it to
[2:04:22] make sure that the board is comfortable.
[2:04:27] So if we approve this today that you can work these details
[2:04:30] out. That's what I'll talk to John later on. I believe we can. I'm leaving the work to issue
[2:04:35] from the board, but he has to present his back to the Chamber Board tomorrow morning and we'll
[2:04:41] determine, I'll give him some options what he can present to them and I'll see what they, if they
[2:04:47] are okay with it. But that's whatever you folks do is counter it. Well there's a counter it was
[2:04:54] been a vote on it. I want to make sure the other two are comfortable with it. Now before, I made the motion,
[2:05:00] but I want to make sure that all T's are crossed, all eyes are dotted and that we're not going to
[2:05:04] create, something that we're not looking to create.
[2:05:08] Well, again, I would suggest that the chamber in Maryland, spent a little time trying to
[2:05:17] decide whether this thing is, would change the way they do business, or would end back
[2:05:21] your business negatively if you took money, or got money from the government.
[2:05:26] It does not change.
[2:05:27] It does not.
[2:05:28] It does not.
[2:05:29] It does not.
[2:05:29] It does not.
[2:05:32] It does not.
[2:05:33] It does not.
[2:05:34] event this board from taking a vote today because this board is voting to approve giving
[2:05:40] the money. You're not going to give the money until they vote to accept it and there's
[2:05:44] a written, it's released to a writing. So if you vote today to give them the money and
[2:05:50] they need tomorrow and 10 more times and decide this is going to negatively impact the way
[2:05:56] they do business and they just won't take the money and they won't reduce the agreement
[2:06:01] to writing and nobody would have crossed that line.
[2:06:06] I'll let my motion stand.
[2:06:08] So we have a motion in a second to approve funding of $30,000 for a one-year period
[2:06:14] beginning October.
[2:06:15] The first, I believe, is what the state is saying.
[2:06:19] Okay.
[2:06:19] That's what it says.
[2:06:20] We have a motion in a second.
[2:06:21] Motion by Mr. Cope.
[2:06:22] Every second.
[2:06:23] My name is Health.
[2:06:24] Further discussion.
[2:06:26] Those in favor say aye.
[2:06:28] Aye.
[2:06:29] Aye.
[2:06:29] I suppose, like time, there's three, I and one abstention,
[2:06:35] motion passes, Mr. Burroughs abstinence.
[2:06:40] Does he have to spell out conflict?
[2:06:42] Yeah, yeah.
[2:06:46] Okay.
[2:06:49] Judicial Center Repair's Painting Award, Ben.
[2:06:52] Mr. Ode.
[2:07:02] Good morning.
[2:07:03] Good morning.
[2:07:04] Good morning.
[2:07:04] Good morning.
[2:07:05] Mr. Ode, Mr. Laura.
[2:07:07] This is a agenda item, Mr. for the award of the Ocachobe County Judicial Center Repair's and
[2:07:12] depending project bid number 2015-08.
[2:07:19] We received bids back on August 7th for the repairs and retaining of the judicial center.
[2:07:25] We received three bids and two of the three bids were local vendors.
[2:07:28] Thank you.
[2:07:29] Bye.
[2:07:30] A lot of the local vendors were within the 5% of the lowest response of bidder in their form. We're not offered to match the low bid in accordance to the county's procurement policy. We've had a lot of discussion about that, so I just want to make sure we went over it. The bid proposal consisted of a base bid that actually included the repair and work and painting of the exterior of the building with a paint call super coach, which is by Sherwin Williams.
[2:07:57] Along with that base bid, we had five alternates.
[2:08:02] The first two alternates was an upgrade in the painting.
[2:08:05] One was considered duration and one was considered tomorrow.
[2:08:10] The fourth, the third, I'm sorry, the third alternate,
[2:08:14] was to recode the gates back behind building at Sally Court
[2:08:17] and also at the judges parking area.
[2:08:21] The number four alternate bid was for actually cleaning up
[2:08:26] and removing totally the cornices up on top of the building.
[2:08:31] Now, at the last meeting that we discussed the color of the building,
[2:08:34] which I believe was July 19th, and we had two or three commissioners
[2:08:40] of indicated that they'd probably like to keep the cornices.
[2:08:43] But while we did, was we proposed to receive prices
[2:08:46] and one for totally removing it, and one for removing them,
[2:08:50] and actually replacing them, putting back staying still
[2:08:53] fasters and frightening. Now, staff's recommendation that you're going to deal with the
[2:08:58] corner says would be to remove them and replace them. But I didn't know for sure if
[2:09:04] you wanted to think about it again about totally removing them or removing them and replace.
[2:09:11] I brought the presentation that we had last time that actually showed it to the differences
[2:09:16] and you may want to take a look at them again and make a decision.
[2:09:22] That's the aesthetic life.
[2:09:25] I know the color that we actually chose.
[2:09:27] But these are all the colors that actually Mr. Hammer actually had.
[2:09:31] That's with the cornices, without the cornices.
[2:09:36] Go back and get done it.
[2:09:38] Viewer.
[2:09:44] That's a much better but the cornice.
[2:09:49] That's without?
[2:09:49] Now, they're almost like an industrial bulletin with a laser gun.
[2:09:54] I think it causes them a lot to it.
[2:09:58] So we need to know for sure which way you want.
[2:10:00] The cornices are no causes.
[2:10:03] My most leads the cornices.
[2:10:06] Mine is well said.
[2:10:07] Consensus with everyone.
[2:10:11] That being said, then what we were recommending
[2:10:13] was to award the base bed
[2:10:18] along with the upgrade and pain
[2:10:20] which was alternate number one, along with all of the number three for repainting the gates,
[2:10:27] and then alternate number five to remove and replace the corns.
[2:10:31] Now if you go to your back sheet, you'll see where I gave you an actual breakdown on what
[2:10:37] the cause would be in a bit of regulation.
[2:10:40] So if you'll take a look at that, with the base bid, alternate one, number three, and
[2:10:46] Number five, the total amount to the current construction would be 185,000, 436 dollars.
[2:10:59] That's one, three and five, right?
[2:11:01] With the basement.
[2:11:02] One, three and five.
[2:11:04] One, fifty.
[2:11:05] And a packet.
[2:11:05] Okay.
[2:11:07] That's fine.
[2:11:11] There's a gate painted now.
[2:11:13] Yes, it's painted, but it's over time.
[2:11:16] A lot of wear and tear from opening and closing.
[2:11:18] I believe your power could originally,
[2:11:30] you also have a backing up a recommendation from Mr. Tom Hammond
[2:11:33] to any questions.
[2:11:38] So the upgraded paint
[2:11:44] gives you what, supposedly additional, live 40.
[2:11:49] maybe facts for lifesaver
[2:11:52] lifetime wondering
[2:11:53] was like
[2:11:55] for the product
[2:11:56] for the project
[2:11:58] yeah didn't hear as long as it lasted when it
[2:12:00] don't don't have the last long that don't get it
[2:12:03] actually has a short
[2:12:05] has
[2:12:06] to look at and see that was his
[2:12:08] regulation
[2:12:13] so he had my question is it so it's approved
[2:12:16] today allows a star
[2:12:17] relative to take as them
[2:12:20] according to contract and ninety days
[2:12:22] to achieve substantial peopleation in 30 days thereafter.
[2:12:26] What's the start date?
[2:12:28] Sorry.
[2:12:28] What's the start date?
[2:12:31] I got asked that question just a few minutes ago from the contractor.
[2:12:34] We're sending you in the morning.
[2:12:36] Monday, right?
[2:12:38] As soon as we can get the contractor to get the contractor.
[2:12:41] I'm under.
[2:12:45] I'll also take you to the contractor.
[2:12:47] I'll also take you to the contractor.
[2:12:48] I'll also take you to the contractor.
[2:12:51] You look at it here.
[2:12:53] So you see, there's the problem.
[2:12:54] And we have all these little detail questions, you know, and it's just, I've refused to answer
[2:12:58] another of the grounds there might have been, you can't take the fifth on this.
[2:13:01] They're in my office, they're in our office with, we're in the process of reviewing them.
[2:13:06] So you don't leave it 1145 if we're through this and get this.
[2:13:10] Oh, we're saying that we're not even making it.
[2:13:15] We work together.
[2:13:17] Pretty well with the AIA contract documents.
[2:13:19] And actually, Sherry Selvi put some together and then we send them over to CAS who's in their review.
[2:13:26] So I'm sure we'll take on very long to review and get them back to them.
[2:13:42] Pleasure to board.
[2:13:43] I'm at the motion of the Board of Honor Commissioners award the Occhi of Accountant Judicial Center
[2:13:47] repairs and repaining project bid number 2015-082 Currence Construction and Property Management
[2:13:54] Incorporated and our Texas staff recommendations that the Board accept the base bid in alternate
[2:13:59] number one, number three, and number four, and five, and five, award the amount of
[2:14:07] one, three, and four totals, one, sixty, one, four, thirty, six, award the
[2:14:11] you want to separate, you don't need that, please, because you're not doing that. Okay. Okay.
[2:14:16] Just the one, eighty, five, and one, yeah, award amounts, so one, three, four, and totals,
[2:14:21] so award the amount of number one, three, and five totals, one, hundred, and eighty, five,
[2:14:24] thousand four hundred thirty-six dollars. No, I'm Mr. Godfair. Second. Second, my Mr. Burrard.
[2:14:33] Further discussion.
[2:14:38] And we're going to start, we're going to have this done by Christmas
[2:14:42] that I'm what we're saying.
[2:14:47] So you listen. The clerk recorded sitting behind you, so be careful.
[2:14:55] Yeah, we were talking early and don't say something about Christmas and I said, which year?
[2:14:59] Thank you.
[2:15:02] It's an insight joke about expediting things.
[2:15:07] Okay, so we have a motion that's second to approval, award in the contract to current construction and property management in the amount of $185, $185,000, $138, $185, $185, $145, $185, $185.
[2:15:23] Okay, those in favour say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I'd like to say aye. Motion carries. Thank you.
[2:15:28] Sharon, do you like the corness on?
[2:15:32] Okay. Is that why you came out and say if we're going to do it or something?
[2:15:39] Your budget is not on this?
[2:15:45] Okay, so you can go and paste with that project and then you start on the next one, right?
[2:16:00] All right, the next agenda item is for the agressivity center horse barn.
[2:16:05] We received bids on the horse barn the same day as we received the judicial center bids.
[2:16:12] And we ended up with two bidders on it.
[2:16:17] Turn a light rate, which is a local contractor who've been the project, which was substantially higher than
[2:16:23] Arlington, all light rate, and everyone knows Arlington electric, they were the original contractor at the
[2:16:29] Aggressive Accelerate Center, and they've done quite a bit of work out there.
[2:16:34] But one thing I wanted to kind of explain a little bit about this bid was the bid proposal consisted of a lump sum and one ultimate.
[2:16:40] And the reason that it did is because there was two different ways that were actually installing the electric over the top of the horse farm or over the stalls.
[2:16:51] There's things suspended from overhead and we're having a two-game box at each location.
[2:16:57] So, during the design of this, the engineer came up with a module system based on an OSHA
[2:17:06] ruling on what was considered a temporary cord as opposed to a permanent cord.
[2:17:14] We're dropping cords down over the top of all these stalls, which we have to to keep them accessible.
[2:17:20] So, we will back and forth a little bit, and if you'll take a look at the drawing that I just provided to you,
[2:17:26] The typical flexible cord drop base bed was with a module which actually had two
[2:17:33] two-game box suspended from the cord on the overhead.
[2:17:38] That module was separate, it works like a GFI, but it's separate from the receptacles.
[2:17:45] Now, the wall on your right-hand side is a typical drop, which actually is suspended with
[2:17:50] up to Game Box with GFI receptacles that are located in the one location and all of them are
[2:17:58] whether it be boxes. Now, we went back and forth with us a little bit, decided to put both of
[2:18:03] them out of bed just to see what we came up with. And when it was all said and done, we actually
[2:18:09] went back. We don't consider this a temporary cord installation. We consider it a permanent. And by doing so,
[2:18:17] We went back to the National Electric Code, and we took a look at that, and I think I provided
[2:18:24] it to you in your package where actually shows for agricultural buildings that GFI is
[2:18:30] acceptable.
[2:18:32] So we're choosing that alternate, which actually reduced the cost about $15,000, and we've
[2:18:39] actually dropped from 11,000 to 540 with the module on the left down to 96,000 to
[2:18:47] 40 with the reduction that we got for the typical flexible with the GFI's included.
[2:18:55] Don't you know what would be what would be the benefit of having ground fault in a rubbed?
[2:19:00] At each receptacle.
[2:19:01] Why would we even...
[2:19:02] Well, what he looked at, he looked at a ruling on OSHA's sometime back on temporary courts
[2:19:10] to give it an open neutral.
[2:19:12] But this is not temporary, these are fixed, and these are permanent, and it was just a ruling
[2:19:17] is all it was. And I went back and I got another building official. We set down. We went over it.
[2:19:23] We pulled out the lack of electrical and we don't need that. We would prefer to stay with the GFI's.
[2:19:31] They can't do it. Use it that seal fight or is it metal condo? It's metal condo.
[2:19:36] Okay.
[2:19:39] So only a ray out there with the number of stalls. How many of those are going to come down?
[2:19:46] If you've got four stalls, you want to have how many of this coming down, four or one.
[2:19:51] Actually in places, they'll split two stalls or be a single for one stall.
[2:19:56] It depends on how they lay it out.
[2:20:00] We'll actually have singles and doubles.
[2:20:03] Because you know why I asked that question relative to the fact that how the folks with the horses do this,
[2:20:10] they need fans and all kinds of other things.
[2:20:14] Okay.
[2:20:18] If you need four, you'd have to use some stencil and larger gauge wire.
[2:20:22] Yeah, it's simply difficult to do four because he dropped it in the middle and over to access it and everybody would have to go and install it.
[2:20:29] Right.
[2:20:34] I'll turn it.
[2:20:34] I'll turn it.
[2:20:35] Pardon me.
[2:20:37] I'll turn it.
[2:20:37] I'll turn it.
[2:20:37] I'll turn it.
[2:20:40] I'll turn it.
[2:20:41] So the people who use the horse barn, they're okay with this idea.
[2:20:46] Yes sir.
[2:20:47] I've gone over with Matt Ford, and we've worked back and forth on it, and as far as I know everybody's happy.
[2:20:54] They just won't power.
[2:20:55] Right.
[2:20:56] We originally started this fact when I was on the Agress of Extended Advisory Group trying to get...
[2:21:02] Yeah, this is, in fact, this has moved quicker than a lot of, a lot of them.
[2:21:08] Yeah, how many years?
[2:21:10] Well, the point was, is that in the summertime, we cannot utilize the horse bond to various sorts of entities coming in.
[2:21:17] it is a revenue generator for Matt. So I'm happy that we got this far. Now my next question
[2:21:25] is if it's approved the day, you know, when will it be complete?
[2:21:29] Is it, is it a not power to do what everybody expects today?
[2:21:34] Mr. Coans, did he put the two?
[2:21:38] I'm putting in a brand new service. I'm not even working on the existing power. I'm running
[2:21:42] a new 400 amp service to actually energize the system.
[2:21:48] When dying I talk about previously, if you use the existing service, then that's going
[2:21:54] to, that's where you're going to cause some problem for future growth.
[2:21:57] So now he has a new service and we can, the existing service in there, we can use for future
[2:22:01] growth and that's a series.
[2:22:04] Well, I mean, again, all the concerns of the people are going to use the thing are okay with
[2:22:10] whatever whatever if you know while we're spending the money. Well, I have to fulfill the
[2:22:16] on Mr. Gordon for that and he deals with them all the time and he seems to be happy with it.
[2:22:22] Okay?
[2:22:27] I'd like to make an impression that we award bid number.
[2:22:30] 2015-12 to Arlington, that might incorporate it in the amount of $96,000, $240 for the most amount and the deductive
[2:22:41] alternate number one for the aggressive, semi-horsebar and receptacles. Motion by Ms. Halterl. Second, second by Mr. Coferbert.
[2:22:50] Further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor say aye. I don't have a vote like that, motion care. Thank you.
[2:22:57] Thank you.
[2:22:58] Yes, what is 60 days to substantial completion and 30 days to final?
[2:23:04] Thank you.
[2:23:06] Thank you.
[2:23:12] What time are you going to leave?
[2:23:13] All in 45.
[2:23:16] John, we'll just switch out.
[2:23:17] It's all in 45.
[2:23:17] It's all in 45.
[2:23:17] Well, I just didn't break them.
[2:23:19] Board of Honor.
[2:23:20] Thank you.
[2:23:22] Thank you.
[2:23:22] Thank you.
[2:23:23] Just.
[2:23:23] I'd like to, first of all, go to the next issue.
[2:23:26] to be accused myself is because I am a board member, but I would like to speak to me
[2:23:31] because it wasn't able to make it for medical reasons and I'd like to address it.
[2:23:36] That's good.
[2:23:39] Next item is time extension, request from O.C.
[2:23:43] Have you ever read half of the silver?
[2:23:45] Yes, there's a request from them to have a 15-day extension to vacate the thrift store.
[2:23:53] And that would put their actual possession period expires September 21, so they're just asking
[2:23:58] to go into October.
[2:24:01] 16.
[2:24:03] Since you're going to talk, I'm going to ask you, I'm going to go to the other day, and there's
[2:24:07] another door that says, come down to the building next to rope first.
[2:24:12] You will be at the next September 1st.
[2:24:14] Well we're trying.
[2:24:15] That's what I want to explain.
[2:24:16] What happened was, we do have another building least.
[2:24:19] City has been working almost almost a night and day trying to prepare.
[2:24:23] Our problem was that there was an existing tenant in there so we couldn't start the repairs on the inside of building until that tenant was out.
[2:24:31] So it threw us behind and then when we closed the front part, the Eastern part, we moved a lot of that product into the thrift course.
[2:24:39] So it really kind of, you have to maneuver your way through there.
[2:24:41] So we've got a lot of merchandise to move and that's why it's just to get this finished up so no give us time to clean up the thrift store.
[2:24:49] at the current facility, we don't want to leave it on mass, you know, so basically may not
[2:24:53] take us, you know, 15 more days and as soon as we get the material out, we'll turn the
[2:24:58] kings over, it may not be 15 days, but we're asking for 15 days.
[2:25:06] Where are they moving to?
[2:25:09] The DRB, your day is built.
[2:25:11] When the fire in, where the vegetable place goes?
[2:25:14] Yes, that would be a problem, they had material that we couldn't get in there to do the repairs,
[2:25:19] and that was quite a bit of stuff that we had to do inside to get it ready.
[2:25:24] Yeah, no, because they've been gone for a while, so three times I was wondering why it was taken so long.
[2:25:31] Yes.
[2:25:31] You know, I have possession of that space now.
[2:25:33] Yes, sir. We have something to leave.
[2:25:45] Do you think you could relocate by the end of September?
[2:25:52] Well, that's the same.
[2:25:53] 31 days?
[2:25:53] I don't, I'm not sure, because we're working on a currently trying to get everything ready to move the stuff over.
[2:25:59] That's why we've asked for the extra and is it a way until the last minute, you know, and then coming before the ward we've asked that approval if we can get everything moved
[2:26:07] We will certainly turn the keys over the day that we get the last piece out of it, and that's what we'll attempt to do.
[2:26:32] I want you guys to be working, I'll be moving that stuff running.
[2:26:35] I don't keep it with us on the last day.
[2:26:36] I've been working, I don't know the exact day.
[2:26:40] I'd have to go back and pull the payment which Sid has all that stuff.
[2:26:44] I know we've been working there several weeks right now doing the repair holes in the wall.
[2:26:48] You know, there was a reason that I contained another stall so we had to close that wall up there and fix it.
[2:26:54] We paired that the floor, there was a lot of work that was done to get ready to move this stuff in.
[2:27:00] Because once you move it in, then you can't paint, you can't do the floor.
[2:27:05] So, you know, when you move it to the ceiling, you know, you've been through it.
[2:27:08] Everybody has to go once that's the time, you know, otherwise you did that moving twice.
[2:27:12] It
[2:27:19] was unlikely Mr. Irwin you knew it from himself.
[2:27:25] What's your original day of that, by the way?
[2:27:28] What's the original date?
[2:27:30] You were sanding the 9'd day, was it?
[2:27:31] $25 for $0.22 for the 9'd day.
[2:27:34] $0.22 for the 9'd day.
[2:27:35] He did that.
[2:27:35] So we did that.
[2:27:35] we finalized the 8 out of the 9'd days but I don't know whether it was
[2:27:38] actually 9'd days from that day where 9'd days from the 8'd day, but
[2:27:41] well, originally.
[2:27:43] From the 9'd agreements at.
[2:27:44] The 5'd on son does it.
[2:27:45] That...
[2:27:45] We did not.
[2:27:46] I didn't understand that, so we got everything out the 30 days from the time
[2:27:49] that we actually brought them for the board out of the the e-s Immediately.
[2:27:52] So we actually got to have more time at e-s hatırlute but we went ahead and
[2:27:57] out of there, pushed in and moved a lot of stuff over to the rest of the world.
[2:28:01] So the east building is vacant now.
[2:28:03] Yes sir.
[2:28:04] And then you pushed all of the stuff into the little building?
[2:28:07] Not all of it, but all of the stuff we couldn't, we couldn't, we had to, we didn't have
[2:28:12] a lot of stuff.
[2:28:13] If you could do that, I was going to, I got something for you to move.
[2:28:23] I told Sid, it was the hardest work in the little alpha I've ever seen, you know.
[2:28:30] Well, since I know exactly what you're going through with own DR's building and when I saw this first
[2:28:36] I was wondering if you even had a building and the concern I had, if you didn't have a building then you really had a big problem.
[2:28:45] Sure.
[2:28:45] So I know what you're doing, I know DR's building, I know the extensive work you're having to be like us.
[2:28:51] You're telling me that was in the vegetable in our way of...
[2:28:55] Yeah, we're talking about Gotham industries.
[2:28:57] Right.
[2:28:58] All right, so I don't have a problem of making it to October 6.
[2:29:08] I'm not going to keep the count of doing anything as a robber.
[2:29:10] No, sir.
[2:29:13] Now, preference would be that we abide by the agreement, but I really don't have a problem
[2:29:16] to extend that.
[2:29:18] Well, that's my preference really, but at the end of the day, what's the reality of this?
[2:29:23] You're going to try to focus on making sure it's out of the ring here by September 30th.
[2:29:27] This is just a fail-safe in case you don't do it, right?
[2:29:32] I'll make a motion.
[2:29:33] Board of Count McMissures, honor to request from Oof Shelby Rehabilitation Facility to
[2:29:38] extend a position.
[2:29:40] Period from September 21, 2015 to October 6, 2015.
[2:29:45] They extension to vacate the thrift store building, Western building, provide staff and providing
[2:29:56] and at least by the September 30th, they will be fine as well.
[2:30:00] Motion by Mr. Burroughs to approve extension of 15 to extension to vacate through a store.
[2:30:06] A second. Second by Ms. Health and further discussion. Hearing none, those in favor say aye.
[2:30:13] Opposed like sign, there's three eyes and one extension. Thank you.
[2:30:18] Mr. Co-prepare for abstained.
[2:30:21] you may.
[2:30:24] Item 3G, Spielman Technologies, and actually this is last one I'd like to do before lunch break.
[2:30:39] What have you more than?
[2:30:41] Yeah, this is an ongoing issue we've had since the Towers on Pound, who went to the 800 System,
[2:30:49] and this is hopefully the phase of this moment technologies, and also CI, who actually runs the state
[2:30:55] The law enforcement network, first largest system that we're on, but both the systems together,
[2:31:01] hopefully we can fix our paging problem and increase our volunteer response in a long haul.
[2:31:11] What's your paging capability now? How do you do that?
[2:31:14] Paging can clearly right now means that dispatch presently is logging into a website and then sending out a mass text on personal cell phones.
[2:31:24] Send an out of text. Yes,
[2:31:30] I was kind of curious how there's pages. I was one of my questions. How does this work?
[2:31:34] Yeah, we moved into that system because there and my first one in the problem I set my phone up to do everybody's
[2:31:40] Hey, it was myself for the
[2:31:42] Volunteer president one of us had it set up and after a while your phone just doesn't like that. There's a white thing not 30 mass tests at one time
[2:31:52] This is like a plectron system. Yes
[2:31:56] This is almost, the Carl, this is almost as good as the extension of this, whether it's telephone systems.
[2:32:03] It really would be quite frankly.
[2:32:06] Black system.
[2:32:08] Well, the system that we had in place was the old VHS system.
[2:32:13] When the tower came down, it was when we found out that the equipment had to be updated,
[2:32:16] so we did part of the equipment update.
[2:32:19] The repeater, we had it so old that we couldn't reband it, so it had to be getting a new repeater.
[2:32:25] And then after we got that then we had a lightning strike which took up the over equipment that we had
[2:32:30] We replaced it with some other old equipment because we could make it work and then we could hit again
[2:32:40] So we're doing the prevent light in strikes
[2:32:45] Where's the I he's left you to that question was coming?
[2:32:48] Yeah, you know, they've gone through actually I've been also coming back through to make sure then our actual grounding that
[2:32:53] the public safety complex is actually better than what's outside. So, for the most part, we've done all we can.
[2:33:02] That's just keeping your fingers crossed on line.
[2:33:05] Yeah, they didn't call me last night.
[2:33:07] What when the system got taken out was through the phone line or through the electrical line?
[2:33:13] Where's the hooked up the phone system at all?
[2:33:17] But sometimes we can get that the phones will do that too.
[2:33:20] Yes, one time one electric strikes strikes was through the phone lines with any alley that supplied the manual one side
[2:33:30] One others we think came it through the tower
[2:33:32] but not for sure
[2:33:35] There's no end of the blown up components. They had the Florida pound lights that you've put in any kind of a suppressor or
[2:33:41] Surged suppressor on the
[2:33:44] Box on the wall outside before it got into system and burned everything out in the world, and it's
[2:33:50] So far, as far as the page of system, we just lost like one the drive computer or the software itself,
[2:33:56] to actually run to the radio.
[2:34:00] And then we went down, we thought something in the wall had to, but it came into the ground.
[2:34:03] So I mean, it stopped at where it's supposed to.
[2:34:05] In most cases, but it was also one hit that tower.
[2:34:10] It was the one that was the biggest damage.
[2:34:20] This is already budgeted, right?
[2:34:23] No, we're going to part of it was budgeted and part of it was not.
[2:34:27] But we needed the systems, so there's other stuff we just want by.
[2:34:30] We need to be able to get hold of volunteers, bring them in.
[2:34:36] So there's 65,000 in this budget.
[2:34:39] We had about 45,000 budget.
[2:34:41] We had gender items, says the fire rescue has funds in this year's budget to purchase
[2:34:45] hit with insurance money, and fire rescue has 65 to quit.
[2:34:50] We had a system.
[2:34:51] Yeah, there's some part of it that we had other items that were on that are regular
[2:34:56] that were actually budgeted.
[2:34:57] We didn't have the full 65,000, some of the stuff that we had budgeted in, I don't know if we would not purchase.
[2:35:06] How much money do we have left in your capital budget for this year?
[2:35:11] Please come up.
[2:35:12] It's behind you.
[2:35:19] Actually, what we're going to do to accommodate this expense, we have a certain part of the money that's already in the budget.
[2:35:25] And from the other budget, your market is going to reallocate from there.
[2:35:30] So, like you said, there's some things that we're going to do to the world that we're just not going to buy.
[2:35:35] You're just going to buy.
[2:35:36] Yeah.
[2:35:36] I think that was Mr. Burrell's question.
[2:35:39] Is there money in your capital budget today?
[2:35:41] Yeah.
[2:35:41] You're not asking for additional.
[2:35:43] That's right. That's what I was asking for.
[2:35:45] Yes. That's why I was confused.
[2:35:46] Yeah.
[2:35:47] No.
[2:35:48] We have money in there.
[2:35:50] Yeah.
[2:35:50] Yeah. Money in there.
[2:35:55] That was the question.
[2:35:57] That was the question.
[2:35:59] Yes.
[2:35:59] Okay.
[2:36:00] That's a different aisle.
[2:36:01] Thank you.
[2:36:02] That's a different aisle.
[2:36:04] We were just about to have a different discussion.
[2:36:09] Okay.
[2:36:10] Thank you for the question.
[2:36:11] So this is going to resolve all your problems, right?
[2:36:14] I don't know.
[2:36:14] No, no, no.
[2:36:15] No, no, no.
[2:36:16] It should.
[2:36:17] As far as being able to pay to volunteers, it shouldn't.
[2:36:20] Because it's going to start.
[2:36:22] Does this work to the phones also, like a text message, or how does that?
[2:36:25] Or the cost system here is actually a combination of cell and radios is what we're going to it's a new page
[2:36:33] Your the page your works off of the VHS system so you can actually send out the old tones and talk across the radio and
[2:36:40] Or it also works as a text message, but all into one unit
[2:36:43] So you can actually send the digital text message to the unit
[2:36:47] So you got 28 pages in this I think is that what is that the number right so on there?
[2:36:52] 20. 20? Yes. 20. So that's 20.
[2:36:57] So that enough to. Yeah, is that enough? Yeah, because we
[2:37:03] have some of the minute or five that we can still use as a radio pageer. So I'll get we'll
[2:37:07] have about 28 pages total.
[2:37:12] Okay. The reason I ask this question is because if you're only
[2:37:19] bandating is, let's fix the, let's fix the problem and don't bandate it.
[2:37:25] Yeah, no, I think we may have to get in the future, maybe some additional painters themselves.
[2:37:30] Those are like $500 units. Okay. One issue of money was an issue, not ban dating.
[2:37:37] No, no, no, that's why it took a long time after a lot of research trying to find the right equipment.
[2:37:43] So one person, I can do this when I still need this until I got both the solutions together was a reason why I put up with that drug out so far.
[2:37:52] All right, I'll make a motion of the Board of County Commission to prove the contract was to build the technologies and corporate in the amount of $40,000, $4,12,
[2:37:59] dollars for the Kipling Paging Interface and a quote from C.I. for Paging Interface and
[2:38:05] Pages for 23,318 dollars and 59 cents for total of 65,730 dollars and 59 cents.
[2:38:14] Motion by Mr. Burroughs.
[2:38:16] Second.
[2:38:16] Second.
[2:38:19] Second.
[2:38:23] Second.
[2:38:24] Second.
[2:38:24] like sign motion carries. Thank you, sorry for the confused. Just remember now what you
[2:38:31] committed to Mr. Burrows over here that this fixes your problem. Yes. You're going to get a
[2:38:37] purchase right away for a correct. Yes. Hold the PO. Okay, well there's almost almost no
[2:38:44] and I would like to take a break for the least one. I don't know where you need a hour hour and
[2:38:50] One-third, one-third, one-third, we'll recess until one-third. Thank you.
[2:38:59] No, the dials are the best. The dials are
[2:39:13] the best.
[2:39:19] Yes, as we're reminded about cell phones, if you were at a cell phone turn them all, put them on their plane.
[2:39:29] We're going to recommend next item on the agenda.
[2:39:32] to be a three-eighth or a criminal execution or a collective marion group?
[2:39:40] Yes. As the boards aware, over the courses, several years and most recently in the last
[2:39:47] maybe four or five months, we've been working on negotiating and we need to be in contract
[2:39:53] before or when it's fired March of 2007, and through our executive sessions with the board,
[2:40:00] We've come to you periodically with the different items that the union wished to have changed and we've discussed those things together and come up with
[2:40:11] What we thought we would offer back and we've done those things in this contract before you is a combination of all of these discussions
[2:40:19] and
[2:40:20] You have a new contract in front of you with those items included
[2:40:25] Probably the most,
[2:40:29] the highlights, I guess, would be the best way to put it, the summary of those changes would be the increased standards for promotions.
[2:40:36] The addition of a driver engineer position to allow for promotional opportunities within the department.
[2:40:44] Holiday pay, now being paid on the holiday instead of being allowed to bank.
[2:40:48] that's created and linked to the employees, performance evaluation, some adjustments to the
[2:40:54] incentive pay items and adjustment to the dependent starting pay and references to calendar
[2:40:58] days was made to business days.
[2:41:02] So those are the main things we've shown you the financial impact year by year, this union
[2:41:08] agreement, and
[2:41:12] I didn't total it to tell you exactly the whole dollar amount, but by overall
[2:41:17] within a hundred forty thousand dollars say average per year impact
[2:41:27] So 140 yeah, on average the impact in 16 17's 145 17 18 1 37 18 19 142 some I say, you know somewhere in the
[2:41:40] 140s
[2:41:41] Yes, yes
[2:42:01] And just for your reference, the human hands were out of find the contract with their lives.
[2:42:06] Thank you.
[2:42:06] Sorry.
[2:42:07] Yes.
[2:42:07] I have ratified the syringe as well.
[2:42:13] You might have questions.
[2:42:16] Please, my note, Tom.
[2:42:18] I just had a note, so there's some place in the background.
[2:42:20] I've got to go.
[2:42:22] Go ahead.
[2:42:27] そうですね.
[2:42:32] Education's not right.
[2:42:32] Which we're talking about in the management rights.
[2:42:36] Use your own.
[2:42:39] But hey Calc said號.
[2:42:40] Okay.
[2:42:41] 216, 26.
[2:42:42] 206, acknowledgement.
[2:42:43] Well 206,alnya.
[2:42:45] 206.
[2:42:51] 206.
[2:42:56] 206.
[2:42:56] 206.
[2:43:01] 216.
[2:43:02] of landfill.
[2:43:07] Can you define what management rights have been limited?
[2:43:14] Well, pretty much in the most America of terms, we have the ability to determine
[2:43:19] the worst-casuous, mostly conditions of employment, motion, those kind of things.
[2:43:28] So, from the standpoint of running the department and making those decisions of where people
[2:43:34] were sawing in that kind of stuff. That has always been a manager right there to retain
[2:43:39] buying by the administration of the county.
[2:43:43] The employee of the Maine Management Wright that was given up and done long before the
[2:43:48] disagreement was the incorporation of the arbitration versus employment at Will. So that's
[2:43:56] the main manager at Wright that was given up.
[2:43:58] That was good.
[2:43:58] Did you sound like that from a discussion we had this morning?
[2:44:04] Well, I could gather that, you might feel that way, but the scheduling is a management
[2:44:10] right.
[2:44:11] It's still in here.
[2:44:11] I was in a hundred down for you.
[2:44:13] It's an article 12.
[2:44:14] It says, say, that the county hereby reserves the unilateral right to re-establish or change
[2:44:19] the average work.
[2:44:20] Weekend or schedule of hours to be worked.
[2:44:22] Subject to advance notice of any change to the union at least 45 days prior to its effective
[2:44:26] date.
[2:44:27] So if we were to get 45 day notice, if we were going to implement a 12 hour shift, what
[2:44:33] what it keeps us from doing. What are the limitations to being able to do that?
[2:44:38] I think there's some about pay today. I think that you probably wouldn't pay people differently or something.
[2:44:45] Correct. I think there's a limitation that might be, we can affect the 12 hour changes.
[2:44:50] I think the limitation may come in is that the contract defines what a certain position makes per year.
[2:44:58] Thank you.
[2:45:10] That's also based on work in a certain number of hours during the week, right? We're doing the month, 200 and 12. That's how you calculate that, correct?
[2:45:18] It's calculated out that way, yes. So you use some hourly rate to do that.
[2:45:23] It's almost circular, I mean each component has a function of it, so I mean I understand what you're saying.
[2:45:30] I'm not arguing against what you're saying.
[2:45:32] But I think in order to understand it, because I've been trying to understand this calculation myself,
[2:45:38] is if I wanted to go to 12 hours, what were you to pay to my use?
[2:45:42] Do I recalculate the paramedics base paid?
[2:45:45] That's $42,000 based on 29, 12.
[2:45:50] And then take that hourly rate and do it on a 12-hour shift or do I do it on the 2080 for a year?
[2:45:59] That's the piece that I'm struggling with.
[2:46:01] How do you change from 42 to 72 and fairly late?
[2:46:04] That's based on the hourly rate.
[2:46:07] Well, that rate, yes, it would be, it's based on how do you calculate that hourly rate?
[2:46:10] Based on 2912.
[2:46:13] 2912.
[2:46:14] Okay, so whatever that 2912 is, that 42,000 divided by that's your hourly rate.
[2:46:20] correct that rain is yes was twenty nine twelve to um that's fifty six hour
[2:46:26] work week times twenty six papers or twenty eight papers it was really that
[2:46:30] limits that limits management stability to hire somebody for twelve hour
[2:46:34] shift because it's non-syptical that you'd hire somebody for twelve hours and
[2:46:38] paying forty two thousand dollars and that's what the chief said we'd have to
[2:46:43] did is that right and that's that's yes that is right that's and that's the
[2:46:49] that we're trying to understand as well. You would probably have to create a different.
[2:46:55] I'm sorry. You'd want to give them the same pay for the same work, just less hours.
[2:47:01] No, they would want to pay them when hourly rates instead of hourly pay.
[2:47:05] Yes, but the pay needs to be commenced for it with the job.
[2:47:07] Function, if the job function is the same no matter if I work 24 hour or 12, it's still the same job.
[2:47:13] That's the classic thing.
[2:47:14] The hourly rate is the hourly rate.
[2:47:17] It's either $15 now or $18 now, whatever the number is, or $20 now.
[2:47:31] Basically, the number of ships they work, times that rate is which we come up with.
[2:47:35] If that's what I'm understanding what is going to happen.
[2:47:38] They're not out there.
[2:47:39] They're not salary pay people.
[2:47:41] They're hourly pay people.
[2:47:42] And we create a base salary, which is not in fact a salary.
[2:47:46] Because it called unwork, if she was out of work for two weeks, he didn't get paid,
[2:47:54] right?
[2:47:54] Therefore, he's not on salary. He gets paid by the hour. He gets paid for working whatever it is.
[2:48:01] He's not salary, so he gets paid by the hour. So to have that limitation, if that's our interpretation,
[2:48:08] that's non-sensical because it limits your ability to have staffing other than 24 hours of that.
[2:48:18] Well, according to this agreement with the way it's written,
[2:48:22] again, I'm not really the person with the way it's written,
[2:48:25] we can adjust their work hours to whatever position you wanted to do.
[2:48:30] However, the contract also defines the minimum salary for whatever position
[2:48:36] from the minimum to a maximum.
[2:48:38] So the reality of how that would affect a paramedic or a 40 hour week versus a 24 hour week,
[2:48:45] That's subject to probably the dissonant negotiations or some other kind of formula, but Jake is not a salary.
[2:48:55] What if it's a payway? It's probably not a word to use.
[2:48:59] It's a payway.
[2:49:01] It's a calculated rate.
[2:49:04] If you work 56 hours a week times your schedule for the year, you would make 42,000 whatever the number.
[2:49:10] That's right.
[2:49:11] So it is an hourly rate.
[2:49:13] So if we take that phase down 29 and 12 and you divided the 42,000 by that, you come up with an hourly wage, which I'm suggesting to you that that would be equal to an hourly rate that the guys now getting paid to work for 56 hours a week.
[2:49:29] That's true. That's how it's done. It would have to be an order to even calculate over time.
[2:49:33] I'm sorry.
[2:49:34] It would have to be the even calculate the overtime.
[2:49:38] So yes, you're right.
[2:49:39] I'm just saying that if you say you cannot do that, that's a limitation on your ability to do variable staffing when you need it.
[2:49:54] If I have to say 42,000 divided by 2080, which is a typical work we award year for 40-hour week person, that's $20 now or give a tag.
[2:50:04] If I do 29, 12, and divide that by whatever, what does it mean?
[2:50:08] 1450.
[2:50:10] 1450.
[2:50:11] 14 whatever number.
[2:50:13] It's not logical that you would face somebody who's working 40 hours a week, the same gross
[2:50:20] pay, which is 42,000 dollars a year, because that's not logical.
[2:50:26] So if that's accurate, then it limits your ability to do any kind of staffing other than
[2:50:33] 24-hour staffing, that makes sense, financial, and the other is, or logical.
[2:50:38] You
[2:50:45] know, the government is kind of a similar thing, which was a light duty when we have
[2:50:53] some amount of light duty.
[2:50:54] We can't relate their pay on the basis of 2080 hours, not 2090, why don't we do that?
[2:51:07] I don't know.
[2:51:08] What the minute is that logical?
[2:51:09] Well, that provision match is currently policy.
[2:51:13] I'm sorry.
[2:51:13] That particular provision match is the county policy.
[2:51:17] It's based on the idea that if you're going to pay them $20 an hour versus $14.50 what that is.
[2:51:24] It's based on, for me, that doesn't make any sense if you were doing it.
[2:51:27] It's based on the theory that when they're all white, do they continue to make their same sound?
[2:51:33] Art of the 13 limits, the count is the ability to hire or down to your birthday.
[2:51:43] Correct, it does in the part-time register.
[2:51:45] I'm sorry, it does limit it on the part-time, which correct it limits our ability to hire somebody who replaced the person.
[2:51:53] Correct.
[2:51:54] What we have is the current position, the other limitation of management.
[2:51:58] You have an hour of cement to your commissioner, the part-time people in the engine.
[2:52:02] It's not as easy as the safety issue.
[2:52:05] As far as this current article would allow us, this temporary employees,
[2:52:11] allows us to hire someone in a full-time position
[2:52:14] with the salary and the benefits, to cover someone that's going to be out of the
[2:52:18] extended leaf, which is we currently have a couple of ways in those positions right now.
[2:52:27] The part-time position, now.
[2:52:30] You referenced to be able to call people, and when as we meet them, we might need them one day this week and not day, not for three weeks or whatever, I would submit to you with my own experience that that is a safety issue, because we work as homes, we work in conjunction with training, and we would be very hard to keep all the people trained and cohesive with the team concept, just by using them whenever they need my PRN-based assessment.
[2:53:00] Well, section two, and that's same article,
[2:53:02] saying the country will be section one.
[2:53:08] The separate board is May work both on the hours
[2:53:10] that's determined by the county, but in section one,
[2:53:12] we agree that we can only hire time for our purpose
[2:53:14] to work for the same state.
[2:53:16] So that's a controversial number one, my opinion.
[2:54:06] And again, you know, we show an article,
[2:54:09] 16 about pay compensation, we show this.
[2:54:11] We're still on the minimum star, which is a salary,
[2:54:14] which in fact is not a salary, it's an hour and a rate.
[2:54:18] Yeah, we're not salaries.
[2:54:19] of pay ranges, it says it right there, and by B, it says the pay ranges for bargaining
[2:54:23] plays.
[2:54:24] Do I?
[2:54:25] In article in Article 16, Section 1, B, says the pay ranges, doesn't say salaries.
[2:54:34] As a minimum start, press, and we're using that minimum start as a reason why we can't
[2:54:40] pay differently for people who work different types of shifts.
[2:54:44] You would have to calculate something different, but pay them the same commensurate rate.
[2:54:51] What does that mean?
[2:54:54] Well, I think.
[2:54:55] I mean, given an example how they work.
[2:54:59] Well, because I haven't sat and calculated it out because of this question, I'm not really sure that I could give you an accurate example.
[2:55:06] Just sitting here.
[2:55:08] However, I do think that there's probably a rate that's commensurate with the duties.
[2:55:16] So we'd have to agree upon, I mean, if you take it in its 2080 and that's 20 dollars an hour,
[2:55:23] you know, for eight hours of work and they make 1451 for 24 hours of work, is that the same?
[2:55:33] We say this for like duty when they do something other than paramedic work, but...
[2:55:47] Based on this agreement right now, how much are you going to calculate what I'm going
[2:55:50] to pay per hour?
[2:55:53] I'd have to know how many ships you're going to work in a year to figure it out.
[2:55:56] No, you don't start me off at some rate.
[2:56:03] You're going to start off at 20, 80 or 29 and 12, one of the two is what you're saying.
[2:56:07] I don't know.
[2:56:08] I don't know.
[2:56:08] I don't know.
[2:56:08] I don't know.
[2:56:08] I don't know.
[2:56:08] I don't know how to calculate it.
[2:56:11] We would have to pay at 20, 80 per hour from the same amount of money as we pay at 29 and 12 per
[2:56:16] person.
[2:56:19] Obsession, six on call back, you know, we have some discussion about call back, and I know we don't have people actually on call,
[2:56:29] who are either part of the either classification of staff.
[2:56:36] And, you know, as I said, of course, I guess if you, if, let's call out for an hour over on the coast, doing whatever, when we get called and we can't come in because we both had a beer.
[2:56:48] Is that a excuse for not coming in?
[2:56:51] Absolutely.
[2:56:53] But would it not be helpful to have us to find us being on the call of so we wouldn't be out of town?
[2:57:02] Or some people on call.
[2:57:04] I understand where you're coming from on that and in the yes.
[2:57:08] If you're some degree having an opinion, you pay people.
[2:57:10] You pay people.
[2:57:11] Be on call.
[2:57:13] But right now, the way we work under that operation is we need someone to come back because of excess of call volume, we start making the calls, and our employees are pretty good at responding to that need.
[2:57:27] I don't understand how you do that, but to me it would seem a better process to have people
[2:57:35] actually identified as being on call in case you need them.
[2:57:39] Well, that would be fine.
[2:57:41] I don't have a problem implementing that kind of situation, but that would also increase
[2:57:48] the payroll budget from standpoint to pay in them to find no call time.
[2:57:56] One last question we talked a little bit about this too, because you're talking about staffing, that kind of thing.
[2:58:01] It would be an article 7, the team talks about vacations, and we say that.
[2:58:09] Full-time, beginning in and in, employees have more than one year for our service,
[2:58:13] shall take off at least 3 24-hour shifts per purpose of vacations.
[2:58:18] In your ISF question before, why would we require somebody to take a shift all?
[2:58:23] So that they could draw a vacation, but since it's an accrued benefit, while when we just let them draw it, the four days are off one week whenever it ends.
[2:58:32] Or two days without having to take a shift off, which puts you in a position to have to replace them.
[2:58:40] I mean, while we had that requirement to allow the individuals to...
[2:58:45] One who helped from its statin standpoint, I would say, because if I want to take a day off, I got to take a day off on a schedule day to get the vacation pay.
[2:58:54] when you just let me do it. And I know this is a county thing, but it's in a agreement.
[2:58:59] Well, I wouldn't just let that person if they want to, on the regular four day off,
[2:59:03] want to get paid vacation back.
[2:59:05] Yeah, like I say, the three days off is consistent with county policy.
[2:59:09] And to my knowledge, I've checked around, I don't know if we need a department
[2:59:13] that I can find, it pays, someone that's salary to be off on a salary that's
[2:59:19] under a schedule day, with the vacations on like you're doing it, but Jesus, it's an accrued
[2:59:25] liability for the county. It would allow individuals to make that choice. You wouldn't force
[2:59:33] them to take a day off of work to get paid. I would submit, and they aren't, I mean, whatever
[2:59:39] they are in the year, they could take it all over the year's period of time they wanted.
[2:59:43] I would submit that to be a topic for future negotiations.
[2:59:57] That's all, of course, and
[3:00:01] Those are most, most of those are not in the equation. I've had those questions already.
[3:00:13] If the base pay range for a paramedic, which just uses an example sitting here running numbers, is 42272, then the hourly rate is 14.5165.
[3:00:27] And if you take that and work it all the way out.
[3:00:30] So assuming then that a 24-hour employee works
[3:00:33] 2,012 hours in a year, a 12-hour employee would work 1,500.
[3:00:39] So which is 1,456.
[3:00:42] Assuming they were on the same exact rotation and doing just 12 hours.
[3:00:46] And an 8-hour employee would work 2,080 hours.
[3:00:50] You still have to calculate an hour right,
[3:00:51] and that's the question how you did.
[3:00:52] And so what I did, I mean, I guess you could come up with any method you want to use to come up with an hourly rate.
[3:01:00] My point is that based on this and where we've been historically with pay, is that the rate is 14.5165, no matter what hours you work, it's still the same rate.
[3:01:18] Well, our interpretation earlier was not that.
[3:01:30] And I think that's an important question to understand.
[3:01:36] If management has the right to change scheduled to hire temporary people, but doesn't have the right to define what that hourly rate is, then it's meaningless.
[3:01:50] And I've heard multiple times, and we've heard multiple times, and we've had to pay up the same thing, even though the work was ourselves.
[3:01:57] As an interpretation of the agreement, and I can't tell you whether that's accurate or not, I don't know.
[3:02:02] I
[3:02:07] mean, I would not read it that way because we're dealing if you have our pay as opposed to salary pay.
[3:02:15] Well, and it's not salary because we obviously nearly have paid overtime and they work overtime just beyond that.
[3:02:19] They're not raising as well.
[3:02:21] Actually, it's not salary.
[3:02:22] It's not salary.
[3:02:23] It's not salary.
[3:02:23] It's not salary.
[3:02:24] That's a pay range.
[3:02:26] The rate you're doing there pay is calculated by that.
[3:02:29] Work hours not.
[3:02:31] Show up to work.
[3:02:31] Work all you want to home and you get paid 42,000 dollars from that.
[3:02:34] I'm much more.
[3:02:35] I
[3:02:40] don't know if there is.
[3:02:44] If you had the 12 hour shift, when they still make the 14 something an hour, the same.
[3:02:50] To me, they would.
[3:02:51] Yes.
[3:02:51] Because that's my interpretation.
[3:02:53] It's not cheap interpretation.
[3:02:55] So he's going to go a different direction and say that it should be 20 something.
[3:02:59] That hour, whatever it is.
[3:03:01] Which one do you reference in terms of the baseline?
[3:03:04] You're coming up with $20.
[3:03:06] Which one of these salaries?
[3:03:07] It's this fire EMT fire paramedic fire fighter driver, which one you coming up with because I've calculated in
[3:03:13] Malfone, 2008 and 2929-12.
[3:03:17] The 42272 divided by 2080 is 20.32 by 2080.
[3:03:26] Yes, 42272 divided by 280 hours is 20.32.
[3:03:31] I was looking into a second argument.
[3:03:33] That's great.
[3:03:34] So to me, if you had somebody working 12 hours a 12 hour shift and they were
[3:03:38] were supposed to be working, if I were replacing an individual,
[3:03:43] if working one of those at 28, that's what they would get paid
[3:03:46] 20,000, 32 cents, if you're looking at that.
[3:03:49] This is an area rate.
[3:03:51] To me, I just divide 20, well that's just my question.
[3:03:55] I just asked, and that's my guess.
[3:03:59] So, so is the firefighter parametric at 42272, that rate is a
[3:04:07] or a salary or a son of a pay rate, pay range, or pay rate, let me hear right, and that
[3:04:17] is developed if you got a facility worked, 2,000, 2,000, 80 hours, right?
[3:04:27] The pay range is identified for the 45,772, right?
[3:04:32] Basically, it says that the minimum salary salaries are far, far, far, far, far, far, far.
[3:04:36] They worked. They worked 29-12 renew. Everybody. Right, as stands right now in 24-ish, they worked 29-12, which translates to that $14 and some change.
[3:04:49] $14.52. Right. And I was saying was, is that right now based on the salary ranges, it says the minimum salary for the parametric is this and other level.
[3:05:00] Okay, so we're talking on the same terms of definition, it's a pay rate, it's not a salary.
[3:05:08] The salary has a differentiation in terms of a definition.
[3:05:14] So if I look at it this way, if I had a person coming in and just answered his question for my own self,
[3:05:21] if I had a person that was coming to work in a 12 hour shift,
[3:05:24] I don't know, I'd not apply to 12, but every number of hours he worked on that specific shift
[3:05:30] or that week he was working at 12 hours shift five days a week, that'd be 60 hours,
[3:05:34] that'd be 60 hours times that great.
[3:05:38] Whatever that was for $14.52. That's how I would calculate it.
[3:05:44] Is that, does that resonate with you or is that what you're thinking or what?
[3:05:49] I mean, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to understand where he's coming from,
[3:05:54] relative to the fact, if we had a 12-hour shift, his comment was, how do you pay them?
[3:05:59] Because it is a hourly rate.
[3:06:02] So based on that comment, you said 42-72 is the rate for an individual working 29-12.
[3:06:11] Right?
[3:06:11] My interpretation of it would be that the 42-72 would be divided over there, there are hourly
[3:06:20] that we divide over the hours for a week for the year?
[3:06:25] What should we do?
[3:06:26] So if they were working a 40 hour week,
[3:06:28] which is 20, 80 per year,
[3:06:31] then the 40 team would be at the $20 rate.
[3:06:34] There's 40 hours?
[3:06:36] All right, I see the confusion now.
[3:06:41] Yeah.
[3:06:43] The point I don't want to use making I believe
[3:06:46] is that I asked what the firefighter
[3:06:50] What would be the number of hours of individual
[3:06:52] being working during the course of the year?
[3:06:55] The answer was 29-12.
[3:06:58] If I had an individual, say, of carols
[3:07:01] that individual I hired to come in for 12-hour shifts
[3:07:04] five days a week, hypothetically,
[3:07:07] to be a firefighter, paramedic,
[3:07:09] I would pay him $14.52 an hour to work those 60 hours.
[3:07:16] because he, that specific classification, works 29-12, an award-2080, a normal person who
[3:07:24] worked 29-12, and that's, that's come, that's where I'm at on this, that's, that's, that's,
[3:07:30] I think that's where he was asking the questions, at least I thought that's what he was.
[3:07:34] I may be all based, but as the reason I asked, what was the baseline of the Firefighter of Pyramid?
[3:07:40] So if you go down to the Firefighter EMT, what's the baseline on that?
[3:07:43] That's that 29-12 or 28.
[3:07:46] Everybody on the job right now, I'm 27, and you can be in the staff, we're just 29-12.
[3:07:50] And the
[3:07:52] reason I asked that question was the government,
[3:07:56] I'm going to catch some discussion about, you know,
[3:07:59] stabbing different kinds of shows for volumes,
[3:08:04] the comment had been made multiple times
[3:08:06] that we'd had to pay them the same thing
[3:08:08] if we paid somebody to hire it.
[3:08:10] 24 hours a day.
[3:08:12] 200 or about, times for $200,000 to our view.
[3:08:20] Is that right?
[3:08:21] And that's your attention.
[3:08:22] That's what you're taking.
[3:08:28] Probably a lot of this could have been avoided.
[3:08:31] If years ago the contract had said something like the base range would be 42, whatever
[3:08:41] it is, based upon a standard 29, 12 working schedule to make it clear that it really is an
[3:08:49] hourly rate, but we're giving a range for advancement and steps and all of that.
[3:08:53] I don't think anyone reasonable would say if someone for whatever reason could only work
[3:08:59] three hours a day is going to get under the dollars an hour in order to make a 42 minimum.
[3:09:05] So at that extreme I think everyone agrees that it's an hourly, but I think what I'm
[3:09:10] interpreting the chief to say is you have to try to reconcile this minimum wage with this hourly
[3:09:17] concept and if it became a leverage point it would become an issue arguing for that in order
[3:09:24] to prevent a 12-hour employee, which is taking away management rights.
[3:09:29] Which comes full circle of what I was saying earlier, and that is if it's something that
[3:09:34] just needs a clarification, what is the rush to the contract signing, if you could work
[3:09:41] these questions with a few more meetings with labor.
[3:09:48] It just seems like if management, if you the board, truly want to have
[3:09:53] the flexibility of a 12-hour schedule or certain employees on a 12-hour schedule,
[3:09:59] shouldn't you work out what that true interpretation is and have an agreement with the
[3:10:04] bargaining unit before rather than after you sign a contract?
[3:10:08] Now, if the majority doesn't find that a particularly important issue, well then there's no point in delaying, you know, signing the contract.
[3:10:17] I want to suggest to be the anti-contract since we would place somebody on the white duty based on the 180 hours of monthly file for here, because that's what it said.
[3:10:29] So if I'm on the white duty and can't work before the hours, I'd still be paid for 50 cents.
[3:10:35] Contract says that.
[3:10:37] But no one's ever pushed that issue to this point.
[3:10:42] And I'm looking at the time, and I've asked these questions before we got to this meeting about that.
[3:10:50] It's obvious that over the years it has been interpreted that 2080, we only used 2080 for like that.
[3:11:00] So that would mean that I get paid $20 now rather than working, because my pay really is based on 56 hours away.
[3:11:13] But if I'm a liability, I don't get paid an hourly rate that 29, 12 times a hourly rate, I get paid
[3:11:22] 280 times the elderly.
[3:11:26] So in the contract, it's perfect, it's exactly what the chief of the Senate.
[3:11:35] If I make my brain hurts, and this is exactly the reason why much smarter people than I
[3:11:44] have decided to invest in for a fire rescue, which is unlike any other type of business.
[3:11:50] That's why they work. That's why they adopted the 24-hour work schedule.
[3:11:53] Because what happens is if with these part-time positions to cover workflows,
[3:11:58] you have someone that gets off the ship to 24-hour shift.
[3:12:01] And then who do you call back and you cover the 12-hour shift?
[3:12:05] When this person just came up a 24-hour shift, the problems that you're creating
[3:12:10] Our monumental, that's exactly why every single time, in most cases, it goes right back to the fact of the 12-hour shift, because of the animal that you're dealing with.
[3:12:22] And when you start bringing all these formulas and adding 12 hours because of that, this is not a job where you can sit down and say, well, we're going to have 11 calls every single day between the hours of such and such and such and such and such.
[3:12:35] This is a fluid operation. We have no clue. You can do statistics. You can say, well, on an average of what happens.
[3:12:43] But unfortunately, invariably when you think you've got this nail down, you're going to have a situation come up,
[3:12:48] you're going to have a contemplation which is more than one structure of many structures involved,
[3:12:52] where you're going to have to cross people over it. Well, this one's on part-time and he's covering this twelve-hour.
[3:12:57] It is going to be a logistical nightmare.
[3:13:00] And that's exactly why fire departments, I would give that just a 95% of the fire departments.
[3:13:06] There's some little podium counting, you know, what's had no population and it uses mostly volunteers.
[3:13:12] That's why they've gotten away from volunteers trying to cover those heavy times because volunteers are to supplement your paid departments.
[3:13:21] This is a paid department with a work schedule, you need to any other job, because the idea of having to switch over personnel
[3:13:28] in the middle of a day and every 12 hours to cover your busy shifts, you're not so busy
[3:13:33] shifts.
[3:13:34] It's busy or in November, then it is in August, believe me, when I tell you that we're
[3:13:38] going to have brain damage over this.
[3:13:40] And this is exactly why these individuals have worked this schedule out the way they have.
[3:13:45] Because believe me, there's business question.
[3:13:48] It's not the first time this has happened.
[3:13:49] This has been going on for a long time.
[3:13:52] And I think most departments that have dealt with this have used this schedule for a very
[3:13:57] important reason, because it stops the brain damage for the most part.
[3:14:00] You don't have crossover times when you've got people trying to switch over their trucks
[3:14:04] or equipment, and a call comes out.
[3:14:06] That was the whole purpose of a 24-hour shift, so you want to change personal and staff one
[3:14:11] time during 24 hours, so that you don't have people dying on you because you're in a middle
[3:14:15] of a 30-45-minute switch-over on a station.
[3:14:19] This didn't happen by accident.
[3:14:21] It's not, you know, we're reinventing a wheel here that has been invented a long time ago,
[3:14:24] And this is why it was done this way, to make it run as efficiently as cost-effective as possible
[3:14:31] without doing temporary personnel.
[3:14:34] And I've heard brain and voice, NFPA did a study about 15 or 16 years ago.
[3:14:38] And this is not a put down for volunteers, that it takes 10 volunteers equal 1 payment.
[3:14:44] Because of the experience, the fact that they're working as a team, when you bring somebody new in,
[3:14:49] Try running an NFL team when you've got 16 new players switching in an hour or so.
[3:14:54] Any any sport is the same way because that's the whole idea of a team concept. That's why you have shifts.
[3:15:00] So why you have those teams that work with each other each day? And when you start swapping those personnel back and forth, trying to plug them in different spots, boy or boy, like I said, I did it for 21 years. And we tried different things. And I'm telling you, that's exactly why we went back to the way it was because that's the way it works most efficiently. And it works most cost effectively. And I think that unions don't just pull some out of the air. They look at what other counties have done. And they kind of model that after what the other unions have done successful.
[3:15:29] So, you can argue this back and forth, but you can see the confusion just between us.
[3:15:35] Well, you know, as I mentioned earlier before lunch, of the eight email responses,
[3:15:41] that you've got six of those had staff that worked very hours for volume.
[3:15:50] They're not in a mix with you 24 hours staff.
[3:15:52] They're filling in.
[3:15:53] They're working a regular shift with its 8 a.m.
[3:15:56] the four or noon to eight, they're filling in for that volume, and yes, it's not going
[3:16:02] to be that way every day, but you staffed toward that. The other option you have is
[3:16:08] you just staffed and over-stab basically to cover that, let me ask you a question. So I understand
[3:16:18] what you're coming from. Are you talking about if we have how many men do we currently
[3:16:21] a full time. 36? 36. Are you talking about adding more staff to 36? Yes. Okay. So,
[3:16:28] where do you think you're going to save money that way if you pay in the 36? I mean,
[3:16:32] another eight or 10 firefighters with their medics and you have to pay them. Where are they going to
[3:16:37] do on the time that we're not using? What do they do then? What's their job then? You're talking
[3:16:42] about hiring somebody to work with full-time job, 40 hours a week or 50 hours a week, depending
[3:16:48] And only the busy is times, that what you said.
[3:16:51] But that's over there.
[3:16:51] You would staff it based on statistics that chief gave us, and you'd make the assumption
[3:16:56] that we're going to work 11 to 7, whatever the day or hour it is, and that's what we're
[3:17:00] going to work.
[3:17:01] Those two people are going to be on ship.
[3:17:02] It might be four people eventually if that's what it proves to be.
[3:17:06] You don't have them scattered all over on the all-power of slow times.
[3:17:11] You have them where your body is.
[3:17:13] That's what we're talking about.
[3:17:14] We're not talking about not having people.
[3:17:16] And actually what we're talking about is the ability of the chief or the man to manage the department.
[3:17:21] I understand what you're saying.
[3:17:22] One of the reasons, one of the benefits to firefighters is the fact that they can work to 24-hour shift,
[3:17:30] and they've got two days and on their days off, one to recover from the first shift,
[3:17:33] and the other to either whatever way they want to watch.
[3:17:36] Their kids at home with their wife's work.
[3:17:38] There's a lot of different things they can do,
[3:17:40] and so one of the enticements of that job when they go into it is the fact of their work schedule.
[3:17:45] You know, and if you look at most jobs, when you have a starting salary, and this is with a new salary structure, of $34,000, $35,000, and you take a firefight and goes into a job in $35,000, they can't feed your family on that.
[3:18:00] So one of the reasons you brought me into the fire service was I knew I loved the fire service, but it allowed me to go out and have secondary income, so I could work the job with the fire.
[3:18:09] I've always said, you know, if you want to pay a firefighter 65-70,000 dollars a year to start, then that's fine.
[3:18:15] But that's not reality, you know, and that's why I think where this is headed is that unless you've been there and done that, it's hard to explain to people
[3:18:23] that when you bring in individuals and you start changing those words schedules and try to make those words schedules when you have your quote unquote busy as times.
[3:18:32] You know, I mean, that's all that's good and paper, but that's not reality for the fire service.
[3:18:36] You can look at your time together, which mostly are medical calls, because that's what you're going to run at those times.
[3:18:44] But what happens is when you don't have those people there on that shift and you get a structure fire where we did,
[3:18:50] where we had the silos, where we had more people from outside this county, working that fire than we had that were employed by this county.
[3:18:58] That's the kind of thing you end up with.
[3:18:59] And that's the part that concerns me is are we going to have enough staff, you know, to handle those situations where you don't have to bring in part time people, because part time people, like I said, that's a natural autistic than it and a VA in.
[3:19:16] And that was their guidelines not the fire department, so, you know, it says like anything else, you know, you're setting up a policy, you're setting up a structure, employment structure.
[3:19:27] that's been tried, tested, and proven over,
[3:19:30] that I don't know, 70 years, 80 years,
[3:19:32] and that's what, that's the best thing they came up
[3:19:34] with the best serve and respond to all calls when you were needed.
[3:19:38] And the Faraday Department is different
[3:19:39] because you only respond when you're called, when you need it.
[3:19:43] Unlike if you work at Windick Sea and your bag and girls resolve it,
[3:19:45] it's a different whole different, and that's the hardest thing,
[3:19:49] and I know it's hard to explain to people that have never been involved
[3:19:52] in the Faraday Service, and it is, it's complicated.
[3:19:55] and it's complicated explain that to somebody, but but I see it work and I try to see
[3:20:00] different things you know implemented and ultimately it's a failure. It doesn't work
[3:20:05] and they come right back to the 24-hour shift. Chief, outside of the shift work that we just went through,
[3:20:17] I gotta say I probably missed this myself so I'll hold my hand. Why would I face my own light
[3:20:23] at a 40-hour rate, if the person was an individual who was making a 20, let me just put it
[3:20:32] this way, why are we using 20 hours for a light duty rate and not the same rate the individual
[3:20:39] makes on a normal day basis? I'm confused on that. I'm sorry, I probably missed this myself,
[3:20:47] so I'm going to back up.
[3:20:48] I did too to hear that was my question so the same thing they make a higher pet this is why I'm sitting here telling you this is
[3:20:57] You have to determine
[3:20:58] Where's the base and this is not at all to argue with you chair. I'm I'm just saying
[3:21:04] That it's either the bases either
[3:21:06] 42 to 72 is your number or the basis some hourly rate and maybe we're saying the same thing
[3:21:12] I think we're right right and so and the hourly rate in time some hours is why the schedule in the Union contract says 42272 so is the hourly
[3:21:23] hourly rate really a 20 dollar and 32 cents hourly rate and if it is
[3:21:28] there at the 28 you know if it is there then over time on top of that somehow some averages come up over the years to get to you to where we're out today
[3:21:37] But I think the whole reason is that the assumption is that the 42, 272, I'm just using that for the
[3:21:44] Paramix as an example we've been talking, that the base pay is the that dollar amount, and so if you change it to
[3:21:55] Okay, you're only 40 hours and you're gonna get paid the $20 dollar an hour for it so that your base pay is always the same
[3:22:04] I see what you did
[3:22:06] I mean, not you personally, but I understand what you're telling me.
[3:22:11] It's just to me, I want to light duty a person.
[3:22:15] His salary should be based on the same base hours
[3:22:19] that his salary has been based upon.
[3:22:22] There's paper.
[3:22:23] I mean, just from where I come from.
[3:22:29] Okay, let's clear that way.
[3:22:30] If it was, if it is, if that rate for that, fireman, paramedic, of a way it was, it's $42,000, $274,000, and it's a
[3:22:40] chief articulate a few minutes ago that that's based on an individual work in 2912.
[3:22:47] Then I would assume that if he was on he or she was on light duty, their base rate would be 2912.
[3:22:55] They're hourly rate.
[3:22:57] to the hour late to stay the same, even though they get only working eight hours instead of 24.
[3:23:04] That's logical.
[3:23:05] It's light duty.
[3:23:07] I mean, that's the same hour, right?
[3:23:12] But I'm just trying to calculate here.
[3:23:17] So person is on light duty.
[3:23:19] Are you saying that you're guaranteed, let's say, I'm the firefighter?
[3:23:24] And I'm trying to understand it, so I'm not arguing with this.
[3:23:27] I'm the firefighter, and you're telling me that I'm guaranteed $42,274 per year.
[3:23:35] $42,274.
[3:23:36] Correct.
[3:23:37] If you work the 2009 or 12 hours, yes.
[3:23:40] But if I'm...
[3:23:41] But it's more than that, I mean, that's just the base plus you've got to add in the overtime
[3:23:47] automatically.
[3:23:47] Not just somebody, so if I go, so I've seen where you're at right now about the light
[3:23:53] duty.
[3:23:53] So if I go like duty for a year, I'm going to be based, you're going to based my hourly rate or my hours on based on 28 in order for me to make the 42 to 74, that's how you did.
[3:24:07] That's all right.
[3:24:11] That's assuming that the person that is on like duty for a year.
[3:24:16] It's going like this for a week.
[3:24:19] No, no.
[3:24:22] It's assuming at the end of the day that that individual is going to make at the end
[3:24:28] of the year, his or her base salary is 42 to 74 in order to make sure that that person
[3:24:36] says like duty for 30 days.
[3:24:41] It's automatically going to change over to be divided on by 2080, so his hourly rate is higher,
[3:24:47] So he or she maintains the baseline sour.
[3:24:52] Right, that's the objective.
[3:24:53] And that's what I'm trying to help us all understand is you have to have some base.
[3:24:56] What is the baseline?
[3:24:58] Is it the hours or is it the dollars?
[3:25:00] And you know, I know the term I keep saying hourly rate, but I've got to multiply that out
[3:25:03] to buy something to have some idea.
[3:25:06] How does that compare to everyone else?
[3:25:08] I understand what you did.
[3:25:10] And so I understand that the fact really means that the pay rate, they get the right.
[3:25:16] pay rate, the base pay rate for an individual line that's starting off is 42 to 74.
[3:25:22] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that individual is based on 42 to 74.
[3:25:32] If that individual happens to get hurt during the course of the year, and he or she is out 30 days,
[3:25:41] they're going to make sure that they still make that 42 to 74 by
[3:25:46] change the calculation to 28 for that 30 days.
[3:25:50] So that's what I'm saying, the base is 40 days.
[3:25:52] The base is 42 days, so.
[3:25:54] So if that's the base, then it doesn't matter.
[3:25:56] And that was my first response.
[3:25:58] It doesn't matter what the base is based on an hourly rate.
[3:26:02] You're dealing with hourly paid positions.
[3:26:06] You're not based on the salary.
[3:26:10] So the base is a calculation of 29, 12 times an hourly rate.
[3:26:16] Right.
[3:26:16] I don't disagree with your assumption. That is one way to assume correct. The other way to assume is that
[3:26:26] No matter what hours they work, they would always make 42 to 72.
[3:26:31] And then you change them to a salary person.
[3:26:33] Right.
[3:26:36] Okay. Let me ask a question.
[3:26:39] Okay, light duty means that this person is going to make the same salary that he did before he got injured.
[3:26:47] but he can't do half the job.
[3:26:51] Right, he will have a lot of duties assigned to him to.
[3:26:54] Right, but still is not doing his $20 an hour job.
[3:26:58] He can't go.
[3:26:59] And I don't mean anything about this.
[3:27:01] I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
[3:27:02] That's true.
[3:27:04] No matter what they do, if they come back to work and they can't do their full job,
[3:27:10] they're still being paid the same doubt rate,
[3:27:12] hourly rate to do that the other duties they can do.
[3:27:17] You should probably just pay them any different.
[3:27:19] I don't think they changed the word in the yearly rating.
[3:27:22] Because that's what it is.
[3:27:23] It's 42, 2, 74 is a yearly rating of the individual.
[3:27:27] Well, one of the theories behind the light duty is if you have a person that does say to get injured off duty, they broke a light.
[3:27:36] They have one or two options.
[3:27:37] They can, if they are acceptable and medically cleared, and we have a position to use them in,
[3:27:44] We can bring them in on the 40-hour weekend, get some productivity out of them, whether it's
[3:27:50] doing pre-plants or whether it's doing some kind of administrative function, teaching
[3:27:55] whatever it is, versus paying on their full salary to sit at home.
[3:27:59] Now, you gotta keep in mind that when they come in on a 40-hour week, they're making the
[3:28:05] same yearly salary, but all of the other things associated with the 29-12, all the built-in
[3:28:12] required over time and all that goes away. So in theory someone working for 40 hour a week
[3:28:19] for one year would make less money than a firefighter parent meeting working 29-12.
[3:28:26] And I don't disagree if you're using an hourly rate of $14.32 or 52 cents. I understand
[3:28:34] why it's why philosophically it changed and it's almost at this point as what Margaret was
[3:28:41] say I think is that you can come in light do you make more money on an hourly rate than you
[3:28:47] are if you were working. But the function isn't about the hourly rate. The function is
[3:28:52] about the yearly rate which is 42,274 which is the base rate. So you can cut this 9 ways
[3:28:59] to Sunday but if I'm out 2 months on disability, the objective here is I'm going to make 42,274
[3:29:09] one way or the other.
[3:29:13] And I may sit, if I sit at home on light duty or excuse me, if
[3:29:18] I sit at home, I'm still making 42 to 74. If I come in on light duty for those 60 days, I
[3:29:26] work safer example for a light duty. I'm going to make the base pay or the base core
[3:29:33] and core will make $20, the 32 cents an hour. So that at the end of the year, my W2
[3:29:39] almost say 42,000 274. That's all this is or whatever it is. Remember the show?
[3:29:46] Can I ask the question? It's because I've never been involved with
[3:29:50] a Spartans' coffin all but I do have people but I talk to them and I say well I can't
[3:29:55] make ends meet because they get injured on the job but they're only drawing six.
[3:30:01] So if we're to support must come into our play with our employees, not just five fathers, but if they pay a piece of the salary and then the employee can use their time to make up the difference.
[3:30:16] Right, but I'm just saying we don't have to have them on my duty.
[3:30:20] don't have to, but we, it's workers' comp believes that if you put an employee back to work, it increases their ability to return on a timely basis.
[3:30:31] But if you leave them out and give them nothing else to do, they sit home, they tend to not want to come back.
[3:30:38] So they encourage us to have a light duty program.
[3:30:40] Oh,
[3:30:43] I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm trying to understand, a light duty and a
[3:30:50] sitting at a desk, if you're able to do that all day, this, I can see if when you
[3:30:54] get your salary, but I don't know.
[3:31:02] The reason I use that example, because I think that support
[3:31:06] achieves interpretation of what you have to pay somebody that works
[3:31:09] something other than a 24-hour shift.
[3:31:12] That's why I use it.
[3:31:14] and that tends to support his interpretation of the agreement that if you had somebody
[3:31:21] work eight hour shifts five days a week, 40 hours for surge, high volume, whatever,
[3:31:29] then you would have to pay them $20 an hour.
[3:31:35] That's what I say, that's the reason I brought it up, because I think that supports
[3:31:39] the chief's interpretation,
[3:31:43] may be incorrect, but I think that's why, you know, that's what is
[3:31:46] a peer looking at what are tampering to, you know, why would you do that?
[3:31:52] Obviously, we're not calculating the light that you've based on the hour and a ray, we're
[3:31:56] based on it on some calculation other than the hour and a ray.
[3:32:01] But sure, one thing is confusing me on this, you know, in office sector, light duty is
[3:32:07] same hours everyone else is working but perhaps a job that is less strenuous they can work
[3:32:12] at a desk as opposed to on a ladder. But are you talking about light duty in the context
[3:32:18] of firefighting to be not only a light or physical duty but a light or number of hours as well.
[3:32:25] Because if the person was at the desk for their entire shift like everyone else for the 29,
[3:32:30] And you know, 29-12, well, then the hourly rate wouldn't
[3:32:34] show you.
[3:32:34] And that's what I didn't understand.
[3:32:38] Yeah.
[3:32:38] So they actually lessen the hours as well as lessen the due to it.
[3:32:43] How kind of that 40 hours?
[3:32:44] Gotcha.
[3:32:45] But the point of it was, this is at the end of the year.
[3:32:49] You're going to make 40,000.
[3:32:50] 42,000 to 74.
[3:32:52] That's all they're trying to do is make it the end of the year.
[3:32:55] It's a yearly rate.
[3:32:56] That's it.
[3:32:56] It doesn't make one difference what you do between A and Z. At the end of Z, you're going to make 42 to 74, and in the contract what they've done, if I'm not mistaken, is in order for light duty, if the person's on light duty, and order for them to make the right amount of money at the end of the year, they use the 28 calculation.
[3:33:21] So, which increases the hourly rate, which increases the hourly rate, if you were assuming there was an hourly rate to start with.
[3:33:30] I'm not assuming it's an hourly rate here, I'm assuming there's a yearly rate, and the yearly rate is 42,000 to 74.
[3:33:38] But your assumption would mean that I could not hire somebody for eight hours a day, but there's a week, without paying them, the day for eight or 1450, I'd have to pay them a base rate of 22,000.
[3:33:51] Well, actually, your hourly rate is a fiction that appears to be used just for over time in that type of thing, because you've got to get to not always get much stamps.
[3:34:01] What does that mean?
[3:34:02] Just 3% of what?
[3:34:04] Based on the base pay range.
[3:34:07] So we still have 3% to the base pay range.
[3:34:10] And then that extent doesn't lose weight.
[3:34:13] It's not, you know, when you calculate hourly rate based on them of the large works.
[3:34:16] But I would say that the base assumption is that the pay is going to be the base pay of that range
[3:34:26] That is and then you decide okay that after that you have you divided by the number of officers works
[3:34:32] That's how I say you've got to come to an assumption
[3:34:35] You can't come to an assumption you have to come to an agreement or what it means
[3:34:40] Okay, you just have to assume that I'm saying that that's fine
[3:34:43] Now, there's a difference between an assumption and a grammar, because my interpretation
[3:34:47] is different from choice, she is, we can't agree.
[3:34:51] Okay.
[3:34:52] You can ask him, you just want to add, this is an interesting, in my play, because I know where
[3:34:57] you're going.
[3:34:58] But if you're doing half the word, as you get half the salary, what do you do with a female firefighter
[3:35:03] when she gets pregnant?
[3:35:04] How do you handle that?
[3:35:06] I know it's as part of FMLA, it enters into that, but I mean, you're going to pay her because
[3:35:10] She's pregnant and can't do the full job.
[3:35:11] You're going to cut her salary down.
[3:35:13] Yeah.
[3:35:13] The likelihood of policy is the part of life.
[3:35:19] That's what I said.
[3:35:20] There's so many variables to this.
[3:35:23] And this is exactly what I was talking about.
[3:35:24] When you start trying to bring in Chris Cross over back and forth outside down, this one
[3:35:29] and bring this one in part up, you're creating a nightmare for administration, you're creating
[3:35:34] a nightmare to try to track where this is all going.
[3:35:37] And I think that's the whole idea.
[3:35:39] is that if you put somebody goes out, you know, and it's much better, like Robby just said,
[3:35:45] they're, when they're working, doing a job that they're not trained to do, Secretary
[3:35:49] of Work, they want to get back through it, they're regular job, and I think it's an incentive
[3:35:53] for them to get back to their regular job as quickly as possible.
[3:35:56] I think, you know, workers come, believes that as well.
[3:35:59] So this is the whole plan I'm making.
[3:36:01] I mean, we can sit here for the next five hours and discuss hypotheticals, you know, and
[3:36:06] there's a million of them out there.
[3:36:07] I'm just trying to do.
[3:36:08] Exactly.
[3:36:09] I don't know.
[3:36:11] I don't know.
[3:36:12] I can't.
[3:36:13] You're a person.
[3:36:15] We're bringing that to the interpretation.
[3:36:17] I'm just going to tell him.
[3:36:19] Ask this question.
[3:36:21] Okay, Rob, you make a salary.
[3:36:25] But do you make an eye?
[3:36:26] Is it nice on an hourly wage?
[3:36:27] I'm taking it on an hourly.
[3:36:28] Yes.
[3:36:29] We can't just divide it.
[3:36:30] That's just for payroll purposes.
[3:36:32] That's just for payroll purposes.
[3:36:34] Okay.
[3:36:34] But
[3:36:37] she's going to make X number of dollars an hour.
[3:36:43] She makes the same amount of money whether she works 80 hours a week, 20 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, 40 weeks a week.
[3:36:50] She makes the same amount of money.
[3:36:53] She doesn't have to work, she makes the same amount of money.
[3:36:57] But that's a salary.
[3:36:59] That's a salary and paid overtime.
[3:37:02] And that's what I'm saying.
[3:37:03] So do you consider the salary or...
[3:37:06] There are how we pay because they don't meet so great criteria, correct in the form.
[3:37:12] But if you don't have a base salary, you don't have a base salary.
[3:37:18] It's not a base salary, that's what they keep saying.
[3:37:21] You have a yearly range. You have a yearly range.
[3:37:23] It's great. It's going to make that.
[3:37:27] Right.
[3:37:27] Probably we should have a base.
[3:37:29] So just look at it.
[3:37:30] This simple math, I mean, we've got to come to agreements about where the base understanding is, is that the hourly rate, or is that the annual dollar mouth, they're going to make in a year. It's one of those two things, because the hours is what they have to take it by.
[3:37:44] But he's not there, but not there, Robby, because if they don't work, they don't get paid.
[3:37:50] No, I'm really.
[3:37:51] If a firefighter does not, that's what you were saying.
[3:37:54] If a firefighter does not work, they don't get paid.
[3:37:58] They don't.
[3:38:00] They get paid by the hour work.
[3:38:02] So it can't be a base salary because they don't, they're not guaranteed.
[3:38:06] They're not guaranteed to the base salary.
[3:38:08] I said it was an annual dollar amount you want them to earn.
[3:38:12] It works the other way.
[3:38:13] I mean, the numbers that you see here is a pay range.
[3:38:17] It says that this is the base salary when we hire you.
[3:38:21] But it also tells you that this is the top of the range.
[3:38:24] So it tells you that if you work here X number of years,
[3:38:28] once you go through your merits tied to your evaluation,
[3:38:31] the maximum that you're going to make is the maximum of the range.
[3:38:36] So if that range is never changed in the 20 years you work here,
[3:38:40] once you hit top out, you're top out, you make no money.
[3:38:43] period. You know, the pay rate, but you get an annual bounce. You'll get an annual bonus
[3:38:47] in front of the two, you're mere, yes. Well, we would be better off to just change the chart
[3:38:54] in the contract to divide all those annualized dollars, before we'll just use the same
[3:39:00] example the 42 T72, by the way, the 2912, the 2165.
[3:39:06] The reason I ask that question is because the chief's interpretation of the contract
[3:39:10] that it is written as it exists, you cannot hire somebody for less than 24 hours of, for
[3:39:18] that person working eight hours a day, five days a week, $22 now versus how we calculated
[3:39:26] everybody else at 1450, and I would suggest that's not logical and would not be fair.
[3:39:33] But he can ask.
[3:39:33] Because that's his interpretation.
[3:39:35] I would not interpret it.
[3:39:36] I would not interpret it that way.
[3:39:40] Because I, it's a hourly paid position because that's how like wage and hour-long the
[3:39:46] finds it.
[3:39:46] I understand.
[3:39:48] You could, I guess you could make a salary job, but I don't know that.
[3:39:52] Because they could make, they could make enough money.
[3:39:54] pressure, we could make a minimum of money, we would be sorry.
[3:39:58] You could make it salary, but I think the job duties would still require an overtime.
[3:40:03] Well, yeah.
[3:40:05] Yeah.
[3:40:05] I'm asking a question.
[3:40:06] I mean, many times, I don't want to clarify this.
[3:40:10] He said you hired you on a proper hour basis, and I don't have your contact in front of
[3:40:15] me, but wasn't it for a certain amount per year?
[3:40:18] Yes.
[3:40:18] Okay.
[3:40:19] But he didn't say we hired me for an hourly rate, he said for payroll purposes, I'm paid
[3:40:24] by an hourly rate, that comes out to me.
[3:40:27] What short?
[3:40:28] A U-page compensatory time, if you were 66 hours one week?
[3:40:32] No, I only get paid based on the total.
[3:40:35] You get paid to $1,000, you're going to match your work.
[3:40:37] Right, right.
[3:40:38] And I don't get paid to $1,000 a year.
[3:40:41] Maybe one of these days.
[3:40:44] No, but see what I'm saying.
[3:40:46] What I'm saying is extremely confusing.
[3:40:48] If it's confusing to us, it's bourbon.
[3:40:50] There's a map to do what the public is going through trying to figure all this out, you know?
[3:40:55] That's the most difficult part to do.
[3:40:57] Do we want to get the best bank, of course?
[3:40:59] But the fact is, when it gets into this point of trying to, you know, go through all these, you know,
[3:41:05] convoluted issues with, you know, 12 hours versus 10 hours versus 24.
[3:41:10] It gives it's hard for you to follow.
[3:41:12] And I lived it.
[3:41:13] You know, and that's all I'm saying.
[3:41:14] Right.
[3:41:15] The simplicity of it is to have an hourly rate where the complication comes in
[3:41:19] because of the way that the overtime is calculated, if you were to take an 80-hour or a 40-hour
[3:41:27] week employee and calculate that out and literally pay the extra hours, I mean the salary
[3:41:34] of the salary of the year and annual amount that person makes is far greater than the way
[3:41:40] it's calculated here. And I know all that but I don't have something in writing to sit here
[3:41:45] here's how this all works. So I think there's some reason that over the years they went to
[3:41:52] this dollar amount in the contract because of the way that over time is paid and they
[3:41:58] worked so many hours at 29. I don't know what it is. There's a point which you get paid over time at
[3:42:04] the end of 28 days cycle, not only 40 days cycle, 40 days cycle, 28 days cycle, anything over 200
[3:42:11] 12 hours. So it's not on every.
[3:42:16] Oh, I want to do to our work.
[3:42:18] It's actually, oh, 56 hours.
[3:42:20] 56 hours.
[3:42:21] It's based on the FLS and FLS,
[3:42:24] and standards and a federal ruling from the Garcia ruling years ago.
[3:42:29] You're what you're seeing here with the salary, the pay ranges,
[3:42:33] and all that kind of stuff.
[3:42:34] That is fairly consistent with fire services nationwide.
[3:42:37] It pretty much tells you, yes, in early conversations, you know, you all all got copies of other departments
[3:42:46] that do some of those short-staffings, during peak hours, those are very much larger departments,
[3:42:53] very much larger populations, the predominance of those peak units assist because of the number
[3:43:00] of hospitals and medical facilities in the area, but like I'm saying, the total provisions
[3:43:07] in this contract are hurting normal contract related stuff, and I can say the salary thing
[3:43:15] can go on for days. This depends on how you look at
[3:43:21] it.
[3:43:22] Hey Chief, listen in a bit more now.
[3:43:24] Let's change gears for a second so we can get off the numbers. Really, I'm going to wrap back
[3:43:28] the numbers again. But on the evaluation process here, how do they know what not meeting
[3:43:37] And this contract to be clear, be clear for them to know what it is.
[3:43:41] Yes, they know already.
[3:43:42] Based on the evaluation form itself, each category of the evaluation has benchmarks.
[3:43:50] That tells them on substandard what's standards and what's above standards.
[3:43:55] And when they go through the evaluation, you don't know.
[3:43:59] When you talk about here, this provision of what's not meeting standards,
[3:44:03] I would submit to you that with our focus on the evaluations, the fact that employee is not
[3:44:10] meeting standards is not going to be a surprise to them at evaluation time.
[3:44:16] In clearly states here that they'll go into the 60-day remedial, which would be identified
[3:44:23] by much staff as to what their issues are that need be corrected.
[3:44:28] If they haven't met the standard in that 60 days, then they forego the merit, because remember
[3:44:33] to the merit is the merit increases tied to their evaluation.
[3:44:41] They don't need standards, they do not automatically get the merit.
[3:44:46] And then, of course, once it goes past that 60 or 90 days of remedial,
[3:44:53] then there's going to be other issues that play in and they are overall in the concerns of employability in the long run.
[3:45:00] If those problems are significant enough to affect the merit for that year, then there would be significant enough that we have to address it to ensure that they are a good employee.
[3:45:11] Okay, because I just see there, that was, I was looking for the note, and I got sidetracked with numbers.
[3:45:18] Um, I just was sitting here looking at a sort of last night not meeting standards and it just
[3:45:25] occurred to me is that there's no way that was the first time that I saw it in here.
[3:45:29] And I was just wondering if they, if they understood that.
[3:45:32] Yes, I do.
[3:45:33] The, if the virus was very clear, what the level of the standard.
[3:45:36] Okay.
[3:45:39] Such a, it's said in a pay period,
[3:45:41] How many hours did they work before they drove out of the time?
[3:45:46] They're paid period during 28 days cycle.
[3:45:49] So they work in average of 56 hours a week.
[3:45:53] So at the end of the 28 days, they work 200-12 hours.
[3:45:57] Anything over 2-12 is paid in the company at the overtime.
[3:46:01] But should be okay.
[3:46:10] I can tell you that by coming to work on the regular 24-hour schedule,
[3:46:15] without working any extra overtime,
[3:46:17] with how that calculates out. There's roughly 144 hours a year of overtime.
[3:46:25] One forty-four reason? Yes,
[3:46:36] sir.
[3:46:36] I'll tell him. No, I'll tell him.
[3:46:38] Very sorry.
[3:46:43] Where's the board?
[3:47:03] One motion.
[3:47:05] One motion.
[3:47:06] I'm better off to just keep not matching.
[3:47:08] It becomes not being in the workfield, not having to pay a lot of employees.
[3:47:13] I just didn't realize they worked that many hours before they got over time.
[3:47:17] So they do, it's not like they've worked 40 hours, and then after that they get time to have.
[3:47:23] So I feel better about that.
[3:47:26] Like Richard Co. Edwards said, if you've never worked in the 20-hour environment, it's really hard to understand and put the two leads together between the typical 40-hour work we can, and the 24-hour shift with the 56-hour work.
[3:47:41] It's actually really difficult.
[3:47:44] I want to offer more time to understand it better.
[3:47:49] I want to make the motion that the Board of County Commission is authorized to
[3:47:51] sign and execute the recently negotiated collective bargaining agreement between the
[3:47:56] OQC Board of County Commissioners and the level of 2019 of the International
[3:48:00] Association of Firefighters with an effective date of July 1, 2015 to September
[3:48:05] 2020.
[3:48:07] I'm sorry.
[3:48:08] I'm sorry.
[3:48:09] I'm sorry.
[3:48:12] I'm in that, please.
[3:48:21] Let's leave it if it is.
[3:48:23] Do you allow one through safety on the 30?
[3:48:24] Yes sir.
[3:48:26] Have a motion by Mr. Cofer.
[3:48:29] Second.
[3:48:31] I'm Miss Hill.
[3:48:33] Further discussion?
[3:48:37] Hearing none.
[3:48:38] Those are papers that I have.
[3:48:39] I have.
[3:48:40] If I was like sound.
[3:48:47] Thank you, Chief.
[3:48:48] Thank you, President.
[3:48:50] Three.
[3:48:51] I have budget transfer if it can make medical expanding.
[3:48:55] Here, this is a rerun of the same issue.
[3:48:58] they, we offered them 7,000, they countered back to me nine. I said I only have seven. She said
[3:49:06] okay, we split the difference how about eight. I only transferred seven. That's a little board
[3:49:11] authorized from reserves. So if we don't want to pay eight, then don't transfer these thousand dollars
[3:49:18] and if you're willing to go ahead to eight thousand dollars and we'll transfer the thousand dollars from
[3:49:23] or something, give that bill paid.
[3:49:26] Something like, let's make it the ill.
[3:49:29] I want you to make it the ill for me.
[3:49:31] And we go 75.
[3:49:33] So what do we have eight thousand right now?
[3:49:35] Yes.
[3:49:35] What's that in there today?
[3:49:38] That's my understanding.
[3:49:38] So what you said, Robbie?
[3:49:40] They were at nine.
[3:49:41] We were at seven.
[3:49:42] The compromise is eight.
[3:49:45] And Bill was 35?
[3:49:52] It's probably good compromise.
[3:49:54] That's probably good.
[3:49:55] Almost 36.
[3:49:57] So make a reason not to transfer more than you really wanted to, because then it comes back to you.
[3:50:03] You gave for more leverage.
[3:50:06] I'm legal with motion of the Board of County Commission's approved budget transfer of 15-147,
[3:50:10] and not a thousand dollars from General Fund Reserves for contingencies to in-mate medical expenses,
[3:50:15] greater than anticipated expenditure is within the County Administrators' authorized spending authority.
[3:50:19] Thank you.
[3:50:21] Second.
[3:50:26] If motion seconds to be transferred additional $1,000 from deserves, and to settle it,
[3:50:31] and it may be all those in favor say aye.
[3:50:32] Aye.
[3:50:33] I have a Black Sound motion period.
[3:50:36] Policy discussion.
[3:50:38] We're friendly.
[3:50:40] But the preparation from deserves was contingent.
[3:50:45] Have we read one of those mind?
[3:50:46] Was it?
[3:50:47] Was it?
[3:50:48] Yes.
[3:50:48] Is it you?
[3:50:50] During the last budget meeting, what we've done is that we've really removed a lot of the
[3:50:58] excess dollars out, I used to call it the Easter egg hunt, but it was really dollars
[3:51:03] that's allocated in various locations on the line items that the staff had not used over
[3:51:11] a number of years. So rather than just take all that money away and put it back, and then
[3:51:17] have to come back to us if they had an emergency within a two-week period of time, I suggested
[3:51:23] that maybe we could consider putting a contingency line that the county administrator would
[3:51:28] have the authority to utilize based on the fact of whatever she said.
[3:51:32] She saw a fit that the department had brought in a business plan or whatever it may be that
[3:51:38] had a problem.
[3:51:42] And I had not put a dollar amount on it, but I had thought about it
[3:51:45] afterwards and I said, if there's 25,000, we put in that contingency fund,
[3:51:50] that she had the responsibility to manage at the end of every two weeks, and
[3:51:54] in her comments at the end of the meeting, she would bring back and say whatever
[3:52:00] she utilized out of that fund. Just to prevent somebody having to come back
[3:52:05] Wait two weeks for emergency expenditure that they didn't have money in their budget.
[3:52:12] So this would be different than what we already did, as they already did.
[3:52:15] Right.
[3:52:17] Authority with reserves lies 100% with the board.
[3:52:25] And based on the fact that what we have done is that we've taken a lot of this money out of each individual department.
[3:52:30] We had our each individual department budget. As you well, whereas we pretty much looked at each one of them, we asked them why I hadn't used their money if they didn't use their money, we took away.
[3:52:44] So rather than having them to wait two weeks for something to get an approval to buy something or to get something done, I felt it.
[3:52:53] appropriate to put a contingency line in her budget and have a hold her responsible.
[3:52:59] She's a county administrator. We pay her extra $100 to manage this county. I think it's
[3:53:05] a time that we should have paid and have let her administrator ability to manage that from that
[3:53:11] lower level standpoint. We give her $25,000 on procurement policy as better already. So I don't
[3:53:16] see, I don't see a problem that we don't do this. Well, I just, and I don't have a problem with it.
[3:53:21] And just what basically is the difference of what we've already, the $25,000 you already have
[3:53:26] robbing?
[3:53:27] Yes, but it's only for those budgeted items.
[3:53:31] So this would be, and what I was explaining to Mr. Bros. is this would be those situations
[3:53:36] when the AC goes down, and they didn't plan for a replacement, and now they would have to
[3:53:42] wait until they had sufficient dollars in their budget to take care of those replacement.
[3:53:47] And as of right now, you can't do that with what we're attracted, that's what I just want to correct.
[3:53:51] For instance, from Reserves, lie 100% with the board.
[3:53:55] But if it's a emergency, you can do that.
[3:53:59] The purchase can be done, but it can't transfer the dollars to make payment.
[3:54:02] But the purchase can be done.
[3:54:04] Yes, but you can't purchase something when you don't have the dollars.
[3:54:08] And usually what ends up happening with finance is we don't have the line item budgeted.
[3:54:13] we've been able to move money and so the purchase for an emergency is one thing if it's
[3:54:18] appropriate when it's not appropriate is the problem. Would this then become an additional
[3:54:23] line item and a budget as it continues to item? No I would leave it in contingencies I wouldn't
[3:54:30] have a separate item but actually when I was going to add to all of this is that those items
[3:54:35] would be ratified by the board but they would be along the same lines as those emergency
[3:54:40] purchases but any the ability to transfer them come back and ratify the board ratify the
[3:54:46] transfers.
[3:54:47] The only reason I'm asking this I'm not questioning your integrity just to make sure
[3:54:50] we have a system of checks and balances that we know exactly where the money is going
[3:54:55] and which fund is coming out of the board.
[3:54:56] Yeah that's why it has to be reported I would never want to do this without you having
[3:55:00] full awareness.
[3:55:01] I just want to explain it to me.
[3:55:03] The difference in the two funds and how they worked and what you could purchase one of
[3:55:06] I still think you would have to ratify the decision, I don't think I can just, you know,
[3:55:10] I don't really do it.
[3:55:10] The statute says that funds from contingencies have to be approved by the board.
[3:55:16] So I did look up that.
[3:55:18] I think it's $1.29, but under county budget.
[3:55:22] Well, wouldn't that make a difference on how you actually, whether you put it as a line item,
[3:55:27] if you put it as a line item in your administration budget, you would then have the authority
[3:55:31] to do it, but good management would be you would still run it by the board.
[3:55:37] Still?
[3:55:38] Well, I can't even have to be a line on it.
[3:55:43] It would.
[3:55:44] Here's.
[3:55:45] Help me with this, because my thought is this, literally we do not transfer between departments
[3:55:50] and less it's from reserves.
[3:55:53] So if you put it in my budget and say it's just the general operating line, and I can move those
[3:55:58] dollars to another department. We typically don't move money between departments.
[3:56:04] So that's a problem
[3:56:08] because in the fund as a whole is whether the fund level is the control, not the department or,
[3:56:16] so it probably would be okay to do it from our budget into someone else's.
[3:56:22] It's not like moving it to the sheriff's department.
[3:56:25] Correct. I would not say a little bit of constitutional.
[3:56:29] If you had a line out on your budget and road, road maintenance needs something,
[3:56:37] as it works in such a different tone.
[3:56:39] So each fund would have to have one, which is what I was explaining to the prisoner.
[3:56:43] You couldn't just do it general fund. Each one would have to have that in order for that to work.
[3:56:47] I think that complicates a whole bunch of stuff.
[3:56:51] That was a true emergency so you can buy a name with money.
[3:56:55] Not so you've moved it.
[3:56:57] And so the purchase doesn't really happen.
[3:56:59] And finance will usually tell us if there's not funding in the account to do the budget transfer.
[3:57:03] I can't if I don't have it anywhere else.
[3:57:06] So it has to wait.
[3:57:06] But we're saying that every note all the budgets have no capital dollars in them that they couldn't use money to buy something.
[3:57:15] Or do they all have to happen?
[3:57:17] To tens on the timing in the year, you know, because of the thoughts about the four-year
[3:57:23] averages and the reasons we'd work spending money in the past will change, they will
[3:57:28] all spend money in the only way, because they'll make sure that all the projects happen
[3:57:32] up front and not at the end of the year.
[3:57:34] So there's going to be a change in the spending pattern for sure.
[3:57:41] I would suggest that that's going backwards if you put a contingent on your advice,
[3:57:48] but in
[3:57:48] It sounds like that's not what you can do it, and that wasn't what I wanted to do.
[3:57:55] No.
[3:57:56] No.
[3:57:56] It's not.
[3:57:56] You can understand it.
[3:57:58] I understood his thoughts about that, but he run into that problem.
[3:58:02] That's why I would leave it in a reserve line.
[3:58:04] I wouldn't take it, and that's why I would tell the board, you know, when it happens
[3:58:07] and to ratify those decisions that were already made.
[3:58:11] And that's what we did now.
[3:58:12] We've done it in the past.
[3:58:14] That one.
[3:58:15] Ratify things after the fact.
[3:58:16] No, I haven't ratified my expenditure yet, no.
[3:58:20] I really try not to, I mean, I really would rather you're approval to do something before I did it.
[3:58:26] But, you know, I'm willing to at least get have some, put some risk out there that, you know, I'm going to make the right decision when it's in a true emergency, and they can't find it in their budget.
[3:58:36] And your point is well taken, I suppose, depending upon the point in the year, there are a line lines they could take it from in their budget, but it's still after you restored.
[3:58:45] For instance, we obviously don't spend salaries all 100% one time, so if they have a room and their salary line, then we came back from board and said, hey, they have its emergency and so they took it from here.
[3:58:55] But we need to restore it to there. You have some flexibility because of the timing of what you spend money in a year.
[3:59:02] But those are the kinds of things that could happen.
[3:59:07] So the only concern I have and it's been brought to me and that's because I didn't even think about it.
[3:59:12] It was when you increased the amount of money that you have in a contingency fund or in a fund where you have it.
[3:59:18] We went from 10,000 to 25,000 only away.
[3:59:22] People started to ask, well, now we're getting up to the point where there may be items that should go out for bid and are they?
[3:59:28] No, the camera policy follows all that.
[3:59:30] Yeah, so that's actually that's not.
[3:59:32] That's all I'm gonna have.
[3:59:33] Give me an answer so I can tell the people will know the difference.
[3:59:36] that's different than what we're talking about with a repair policy as very specific ranges
[3:59:40] of when they have to go out to bed in terms of whether it's getting verbal quotes, written
[3:59:47] quotes, or actually feel bizzare advertised. There's three different levels of one
[3:59:51] of those things. And that's all being followed. There's a form that everybody does.
[3:59:55] People are funny. They always want to think the bad things.
[4:00:00] And I want to make sure that if a question comes like that, I know how to answer that part.
[4:00:04] And you can always go look at the back up to the purchase and say, you heard about it at the back up for the verbal written and our teams, obviously, done that way.
[4:00:13] Yeah, who's there?
[4:00:18] We're on the list.
[4:00:20] There was a lot of what you were saying.
[4:00:22] Well, what I was thinking is to provide the contingency fund for her, and she would be able to do exactly what she said, and then come back and ratify later on,
[4:00:30] to expedite some of these things to keep somebody having to wait two weeks in order to get
[4:00:35] something because I understood finance wouldn't allow them to buy whatever they wanted to until
[4:00:39] it was approved. So in order to expedite some of these issues that may come about, that was the reason
[4:00:46] for making that suggestion. But I didn't have any indication. I wanted to put a contingency
[4:00:52] contingency funding each department head. Well, I don't think that's what I'm saying either.
[4:00:56] Okay.
[4:00:56] What if your fund is more?
[4:00:58] In transportation is one.
[4:01:01] Fire is one.
[4:01:02] No, I'm saying for you.
[4:01:05] General funds.
[4:01:07] I would just do the four main operations.
[4:01:13] If we're going to do it at all, I'd just do general fund, I'd do transportation.
[4:01:17] Fire.
[4:01:18] And uncorporate service area.
[4:01:20] Those are the main operating areas.
[4:01:22] I wouldn't do tourism because there's usually sufficient dollars in there on.
[4:01:26] And it's not going to work and now it's going to line up and make sure everything is done.
[4:01:39] Well, I can, in this discussion, this is not the end of it.
[4:01:43] I mean, to me, I would bring back a policy and we would go through the policy.
[4:01:46] So you need to have the absolute assurances of what you're having to do.
[4:01:49] This was just the discussion.
[4:01:51] To provide staff direction and then we'll go from there. I prefer to have administrative regulations that a policies that are in writing and protects a different one than
[4:02:01] But I would suggest you sit and you bring back a policy to see it if we don't get in that that's fine. Oh, we can tweak it. Right.
[4:02:12] Up until this budget process is not going to problem, but when you go to four year averages and there have not been situations that could occur that have occurred recently.
[4:02:23] It can be. And if you want to wait till it is a problem, we can do it that way too.
[4:02:29] I'm going to record and I'll say I'll be shocked if we do all the capital projects.
[4:02:35] Well capital projects fund is completely different than these capital purchases that are in these individual budgets.
[4:02:42] They're completely different.
[4:02:45] But lots of money.
[4:02:46] Fun 303, right? Fun 303 is simply separate from all this discussion I'm having with you.
[4:02:51] Now that's a capital fund. It's not operating. I'm strictly talking about operating issues.
[4:02:57] That's where this is where this comment started from.
[4:03:01] So I would suggest it to just bring back the policy if we like it.
[4:03:05] Then we adopt it. We don't. We put it away.
[4:03:09] Good to me.
[4:03:20] You're just thinking about it.
[4:03:21] You're just thinking about it.
[4:03:23] You'll talk in a second.
[4:03:26] What's that?
[4:03:26] solution looking for a problem?
[4:03:28] Oh, I have, I have, I think we have a problem, but we'll feel.
[4:03:32] Okay, last, last time?
[4:03:34] No, couple more.
[4:03:35] Discussion of shipping contained.
[4:03:37] Mr. Roy, as I told you, be out to lunch.
[4:03:40] You go to lunch.
[4:03:42] But you didn't believe me.
[4:03:54] So, I already want to do that shipping contained.
[4:03:57] Well, we're going to enforce the code that we're going to...
[4:04:01] I want to leave the code home.
[4:04:02] And the last commission meeting of resident came to the public conversation and inquired
[4:04:10] about how the regulation done shipping containers that has probably gotten the violation
[4:04:16] for several things.
[4:04:17] One of the things mentioned was that we used to containers on the problem.
[4:04:22] We found the regulations,
[4:04:26] for example, for all of this, of course, were eventually
[4:04:29] building else. They're not going to allow us for the more things that the sugar container is
[4:04:32] to be used for storage. We've had a period of time over the years where somebody gets
[4:04:40] a new no-home wants to be able to hold the back of the effort storage and then love that.
[4:04:45] Some of them, some of them are going to go to home to come to school district, but it's given
[4:04:48] we're going to run support of the classrooms, so people don't get those produced across the
[4:04:53] government. They will give in a way if somebody would just pick it up and move it. So I'll
[4:04:57] and people are wanting to put both corporate classroom
[4:04:59] in their backyard or storage.
[4:05:02] The periodically shipping containers
[4:05:03] come available through the then
[4:05:05] when people wanted to them for sort of inexpensive storage
[4:05:09] option.
[4:05:11] And the code has a provision for that basically
[4:05:14] acknowledging the structure of these things.
[4:05:17] One in ten to that purpose are not really
[4:05:19] structure of the filters we think of it.
[4:05:22] And they're not considered with the idea of the development
[4:05:27] And you have a single family dwelling, whether it's at 80 to a lot, or a five-ing for
[4:05:31] a lot.
[4:05:32] We have a single family dwelling.
[4:05:34] You can have a couple of successfully structured, you can have a chef, you can have a
[4:05:36] barada, and you can have a few things like that, but we can't wish to have a sugar cane or
[4:05:42] pop-down there and say, we'll look at the DRAM for a store.
[4:05:45] So, I think the commissioners indicated that last week, and the contract that this does is,
[4:05:51] so here's the discussion.
[4:05:52] If you want to, I would say, out of spite of the current policy, the alliance that's
[4:05:56] changes, I'm a local conservative, you know, all residents of Lincoln Hills, all of a sudden,
[4:06:02] you can have, I don't know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, the storage containers, lockdown, some place for storage.
[4:06:10] This is also a situation with commercials on industry.
[4:06:13] It's an actually the chip of containers that come pretty wide and spread.
[4:06:16] We have a lot of commercial areas.
[4:06:18] Same thing that really are a lot.
[4:06:20] I'm not using them.
[4:06:21] Not as a temporary store, but it's permanent, long term storage.
[4:06:25] That's not the, what they were intended for,
[4:06:28] they're not what they were not intended to assist them
[4:06:30] in the other development, that existed with,
[4:06:33] you know, our problems should look like,
[4:06:37] but you want me to discussion on this,
[4:06:39] I would say out of the slide, was that for a policy,
[4:06:41] basically, it was not a lot of the law,
[4:06:44] or do you want to consider something else?
[4:06:46] They are allowed for agriculture to get
[4:06:49] for research stuff, they are called for agriculture.
[4:06:51] And say for example, you're building the house,
[4:06:53] You can certainly get a storage as well as containers, put a new property, while we have
[4:06:58] an active permit for storage and materials and stuff, because then it's actually
[4:07:02] a piece of equipment, but then once the construction is done, the permit is over the
[4:07:07] remaining, and you get rid of the storage and container.
[4:07:09] I don't know if I could do it in a row of all for something during that construction job.
[4:07:13] So I love the policy of the way it is.
[4:07:15] One of the residents of the building did not, when we asked the time commissioners to consider
[4:07:19] changing it. So do you want to discuss it? Do you want to talk about an award? Do you want to
[4:07:24] do you want to change it to policy instead of that to you?
[4:07:27] Okay, to focus on the derives? Discussion?
[4:07:29] Yeah, this.
[4:07:30] Ironically, I was that planning and zoning, I want to gentleman came in and had a shipping container brought
[4:07:36] into his property out in Kokino. And we were sitting there, Brad and now we're having a discussion,
[4:07:42] and when he stopped and talked to us, and I said, here's the issue that we have. These containers
[4:07:48] weren't meant to be temporary homes for the weekend where people are coming out in the Vikings
[4:07:53] and doing just that. He wanted to actually mount a water pump inside of it, you know, to facilitate
[4:07:59] I should say not a lot of people steal it because at my time that that does happen and what I told him was as I said if you
[4:08:08] He lives in Fort Loderdale and I'm gonna say in a nice area
[4:08:11] I say what would happen is if someone came in and moved the shipping container in next door to you
[4:08:16] So that's that's an issue on a acre and a quarter or smaller a lot and that was the issue that I had concerned with
[4:08:23] The one thing about shipping containers is the unlike sheds, you know like aluminum sheds
[4:08:28] You don't usually blow away hurricanes, so it's not, you know, a danger to other people if they're
[4:08:33] improperly secured and many of the older ones, the bases have rotted out, the straps have
[4:08:38] rotted out and can't check all of them.
[4:08:40] But I do think, and what I asked Board to do and to direct stats to do, was look at situations
[4:08:46] where there are five acres or more or pick a number, because at that point, if they've put
[4:08:51] in the middle of their end they're used for storage, they're properly strapped down.
[4:08:56] I would rather see one of those because clearly because of its strength, it's structural strength.
[4:09:03] Is this not going to become a missile flying through the air?
[4:09:06] As I had my backyard after Francis.
[4:09:09] So that's why I asked the board to look at this policy.
[4:09:11] And obviously we don't want to see, you know, lazy seven or, you know, we don't want to see an area
[4:09:16] where the houses are in a PUD where they're in a quarter or smaller lots, it would take over.
[4:09:23] And that's what I was concerned about, but I would like the board to, as myself, consider
[4:09:29] looking at it, looking at this, and delineating a certain size of a piece of property that
[4:09:35] you could use these storage cabinets for storage, not a house, not a temporary living facility,
[4:09:41] you know, not a shop, but a storage area.
[4:09:45] And that's what I was kind of why I asked, you know, staff to come back and take a look
[4:09:49] doesn't see, you know, if we could work something out, you know, that this could be an acceptable
[4:09:54] piece on a larger piece of property where you could put it in the middle of the property
[4:09:58] or somewhere, but some shit, you know, shrubber you around it and I don't think you would
[4:10:02] be a trusive, but they do serve a good purpose and, you know, if I had a large piece of property
[4:10:07] I would consider using it.
[4:10:09] But how do you tell, okay, how do you cocaine it, how do you fray, how do you have the
[4:10:20] Okay, they're out in the middle of nowhere, you're right, so they could have one of these on
[4:10:25] five acres, but yet our five acres, if I meant an our bar sure wouldn't want my
[4:10:31] neighborhood to have one, but if you give them a case for five acre in and for
[4:10:35] you, then everybody should be entitled to it, so it's hard to tell somebody with
[4:10:40] five acres, and one area you can have it and not in another, yeah, to me, it would be.
[4:10:53] Do we have limitations on buying one from Home Depot or call her to put in my yard?
[4:11:01] I know money, but I don't know because I have a company that I can't do it.
[4:11:04] But at our bottom, is there a limitation on what I can put in my yard?
[4:11:09] And all our residents alone, just for it's there is a limit on, until a number and size and accessory structures.
[4:11:15] And what's the limit on size?
[4:11:16] I'm sorry.
[4:11:17] What's the size of square footage?
[4:11:18] the generally in most other districts, you'll own the two accessories structures that combine
[4:11:24] area of the two accessories structures, kinetic seed, and somewhere as you mentioned,
[4:11:28] building districts, 100 percent of the size of the house, so if there are 2,000 square
[4:11:32] of the house, you're two accessories structures together, can't be larger than 2,000 square feet.
[4:11:38] And I think our role was, eventually, what's using larger lots, quite often,
[4:11:41] of animals, you can have a commodity area in your accessor structures, can we see the
[4:11:47] 150% or 200% of the size in the house, but there are still our limits.
[4:11:51] So the issue with the containers isn't the size, it could be the number of, I mean, how many
[4:12:00] do they come to the accessor structural zone they would visit?
[4:12:04] I mean, that's just not what they're there for.
[4:12:06] We really want, I really want them to lay their hoods, I don't care whether they're too
[4:12:09] They're defiving, they're aiming, they're something that they don't belong in.
[4:12:14] That's not what they're built for.
[4:12:15] They're built for shipping containers or track trailers.
[4:12:19] They're not built to be a storage facility in the back yard.
[4:12:22] They're the doors that are set up for that.
[4:12:24] You can get a lot inside of them.
[4:12:26] There it is.
[4:12:27] That's not what they're there for.
[4:12:29] In commercial, we'll give it a bona fide.
[4:12:33] Commercial agriculture.
[4:12:34] There's very, very step story exemptions.
[4:12:36] It's not much we can be there but other than that.
[4:12:38] I don't see that they belong any close.
[4:12:42] Well, chair just part of a good point, you said you have limits within your
[4:12:48] home.
[4:12:49] We have covenants.
[4:12:51] You have covenants.
[4:12:52] And that would work the same way with Aubrey, you know, they can, they're home
[4:12:55] to associate, you could have a covenant to say that we don't want shipping containers.
[4:12:59] But by an air barrier that you had five acres, it was one five acre parcel, like for
[4:13:03] wrong. You can't even see past the fence inside there. And if you required a certain amount
[4:13:09] of percent setbacks where it would have to be on the inner part of that parcel of land
[4:13:14] or it would not sit in right next to somebody's fence, then I think that would be something
[4:13:18] that could be worked with that. I think because of their, you know, they're useful. I send
[4:13:24] a lot of people to do. You know, I think if it's something that you should allow people
[4:13:29] If it's in an area where there's an agricultural type area, I don't think there's a problem.
[4:13:35] And if there is, let the homeowner's association address it.
[4:13:39] Well, there are actually very few of them on the association.
[4:13:42] They know it's up to the top.
[4:13:43] Most of them are on the neighborhood to this.
[4:13:45] Either they never had this association.
[4:13:47] And for the association, as well as in, you know, in active regard for it.
[4:13:51] So even if there are all of these restrictions, they're probably not enforceable.
[4:13:56] Well, my name would have to think about myself, how do we all maternity, see somebody else?
[4:14:01] How could you get yourself locked in?
[4:14:03] How could you be locked in to one?
[4:14:05] Like somebody locked you in it.
[4:14:06] Well, yeah, I could see kids playing around while I can be locked in,
[4:14:08] so maybe in the moment when there's something,
[4:14:10] because I'm, oh, there's questions you've been usually,
[4:14:12] get out from inside,
[4:14:15] but I, you know,
[4:14:17] you're playing around and going out with the old problem with the previous stuff,
[4:14:20] and kids are,
[4:14:22] I'm asking that.
[4:14:23] in the House of Justice, is there not right in the House of Justice?
[4:14:26] All right, should be containers taxed on the property
[4:14:29] as part of it's not.
[4:14:31] So when we pay you better off in our county
[4:14:33] to have assets that are taxable for our tax base?
[4:14:38] Well, absolutely.
[4:14:39] I'm out of this, read with that.
[4:14:41] But what my point was is that if you put up a looming
[4:14:44] of utility shed, I've seen plastic polypopole,
[4:14:48] the just the structural integrity of one of those,
[4:14:51] you know, and we're talking about, you know, damage to other people's property or, you know,
[4:14:55] flying through the air.
[4:14:56] That was one of the reasons that I even looked at that was because of the fact.
[4:15:00] Right from the safety standpoint, and the substantial construction of those, as you wouldn't have the same issue with flying debris, and as you would from a utility shed.
[4:15:08] And that's kind of why I brought that, I had a roll of door online, it blew away, and you could pull it down and slide the lever and let somebody in it, you know, they couldn't get out.
[4:15:17] So I don't know whether that would be as much concern as it would be from an aesthetic, if that's the problem.
[4:15:23] But if you look at the shed, they're all over the place, and they're usually not maintained as well,
[4:15:28] or anywhere close to is what is what the structure, the housing structure.
[4:15:32] And if you can build a utility shed with a thousand square or two thousand square feet
[4:15:36] or equal to your house, that's not in your hangar.
[4:15:40] So these utilities, these boxes, they only come with eight foot wide and 20, 25, 30 feet long
[4:15:47] at the biggest ones, whatever they can haul across the road.
[4:15:50] So you'd be limited this what you could put on their size-wise versus a purchased, constructed,
[4:15:57] pre-constructing jildy shit.
[4:15:59] So, there's ways that you can look at for me the direction.
[4:16:03] I'm looking at it because I guess the line of work I was in,
[4:16:07] more of a safety issue.
[4:16:08] You know, as a fact of the integrity, structural integrity.
[4:16:12] And there are a lot of people that store stuff in these things,
[4:16:14] you know, lawn mowers and anything else that you would store in jildy shit.
[4:16:18] And the only thing I was looking at was the string,
[4:16:21] basically, and that's kind of why I wanted to
[4:16:24] want to limit somebody that has a, you know, and five acres, you could, you could, you could
[4:16:28] get an exemption, an agricultural exemption on that according to what I, you know, when I
[4:16:33] talk to the, you know, there's no limit, you check, I checked it out. You can, you can,
[4:16:40] you can get an agricultural exemption, there is no limit to the size. And that was one of
[4:16:43] the questions I specifically asked, Mickey Vandy. And unless I'm a student, there is not
[4:16:49] requirement, I'm a minimum requirement to get an agricultural classification.
[4:16:55] No, no, no, there's not as far as that, there's for a legitimate commercial,
[4:16:58] a modified commercial, a government operation, which is, you can get on two
[4:17:04] acres, but it's pretty unusual.
[4:17:06] Yeah, but it can be done.
[4:17:08] It's in the code.
[4:17:08] It can be done.
[4:17:09] You can go shickens.
[4:17:10] You can go birds, rabbits.
[4:17:12] You can have to make none.
[4:17:13] Yeah.
[4:17:14] No, you know.
[4:17:15] And that's wrong, too.
[4:17:15] You do not have to file up to 99%.
[4:17:21] But you do not have to show that it's operated at a profit order.
[4:17:30] But that side, those are, again, it's part of the, you know, part of the policy decision
[4:17:37] of the board of the Commission, all of your land and government regulations are operating
[4:17:40] before it's setting out the type of community you want, what types of other structures,
[4:17:45] minimum size structures, location, and stuff, that type of things.
[4:17:48] They have different domain districts that have different types of things that are allowed in different
[4:17:52] setbacks, different various regulations.
[4:17:56] This is all we have to do.
[4:17:57] This is somebody in primary policy documents.
[4:17:59] Do you want to try your trade with shipping containers or all the global classrooms, do you want
[4:18:07] these to be able to be put anywhere anybody wants that consistent with the local law for
[4:18:12] where they're mentioned, and the local law of the area of the town.
[4:18:17] I understand the appeal to a point, but in the law I don't think it's good for the long-term
[4:18:26] aesthetics of the power.
[4:18:28] So Bill, how many of these do we have on county property?
[4:18:31] I think the county needs to get one of the ones we have in the world.
[4:18:34] So...
[4:18:34] Yeah, I love those two of them that the county has.
[4:18:37] So it didn't at the end of this particular issue.
[4:18:39] if we denote that, we don't want them, and the county's got a problem, we'll get rid of them
[4:18:47] just like everybody else, all right?
[4:18:50] So you'll have to build storage.
[4:18:52] Yeah, to build storage, you have to do something, but when the county still has them when
[4:18:56] they're property, they need to get rid of them.
[4:18:58] Correct.
[4:18:59] That's a little bit of a challenge.
[4:19:02] I'll always tell you the example that I have with me.
[4:19:04] I don't know you have a comment, you're just, wait.
[4:19:06] Oh, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
[4:19:09] question bill. How many citation have we written for this violation?
[4:19:16] I don't know the total number and it's rarely, it's rarely the principal violation.
[4:19:21] Mostly there's a violation for overgrowth or something else and then if there's other
[4:19:26] bodies on the property, well, well, who they didn't, they definitely had been
[4:19:31] some very few on commercial properties. We have one right now, I don't know 10 on
[4:19:38] commercial property is exempt. No, we just have to work we're getting there. And when
[4:19:45] we start doing that, you're going to know what I mean. Well, that's kind of my point.
[4:19:53] Either we're going to have an ordinance and enforce it or we should do away with the ordinance.
[4:19:57] Well, we can't issue everybody violation on the same day. I guarantee that I could write
[4:20:03] 10 violations a day without spending 30 minutes on containers and I don't have to go look
[4:20:11] there are all main streets I don't know I do and we're now do 40 40 foot tractor trailer trailers
[4:20:19] is that appropriate storage no okay then I can do maybe 15 today and 30 minutes that's my
[4:20:28] We're going to do it, but we're not, and these are all main roads in this county.
[4:20:35] These are not all people backyards, these are all main roads in this county.
[4:20:40] Yes, there's one.
[4:20:42] So if we're going to focus on doing something, at least we could focus on the main roads.
[4:20:53] You know what the Chair makes to you say, excellent point, we're going to open up Pandora's
[4:20:59] box here with this because what's going to happen is if we if we stand behind this and the
[4:21:04] first one or two or three that we start taking you better get ready because with what do we
[4:21:10] have three people now in code enforcement do full one part. They can't even get the the code
[4:21:17] enforcement down on people that have mode to grasp for six months. So what we're doing was spending
[4:21:22] a lot of time going out trying to enforce this with this this out the out the acreage out of
[4:21:29] enforcement is overwhelmed right now, and they're doing a superhuman job trying to go out and
[4:21:34] address these issues of, you know, junk cars in the yard and grass, and stuff where
[4:21:40] snakes are coming out under their property. So I don't want to create a nightmare for Beth
[4:21:45] and Rollo and whoever our other employee is trying to go out and write, you know, violations.
[4:21:49] And then we have to enforce them. So as the chair said, what good is it writing a violation
[4:21:54] if we don't have the staff to go out physically and enforce them.
[4:21:58] I think what we're doing, we're creating one big, gigantic monster.
[4:22:02] Because I've seen, I'm out there a lot, and they are everywhere, everywhere.
[4:22:08] There's an old saying, be careful, it's as important as you like it.
[4:22:12] The monsters are even creating.
[4:22:14] Yeah, because we didn't, we didn't go out and do this.
[4:22:18] Let's go.
[4:22:19] First of all, I think I wrote the original ordinance 25 years ago.
[4:22:30] And it's sort of amazing that we're having this discussion 25 years later, because we spent decades trying to improve our housing stock, trying to improve the property values, and trying to eliminate a time when every weekend, a dozen old mobile homes that were discarded from the coast were brought in here, because it was good enough for Okachovey.
[4:22:52] And, you know, I think I have to concur with Mr. Royce that the code should not be amended,
[4:23:01] unless you don't mind what the community can look like when these things don't have restrictions.
[4:23:07] Because once you open up a Pandora's box, once you open up a Pandora's box,
[4:23:11] to take these containers from transport containers and temporary use containers
[4:23:16] And to make them permanent storage accessories, it's open season, basically, because you don't have as good a reason to say 5, 10 or 15 acres in above, it's okay, because they're not really any different when we can't see them, but if we can't see them, it's okay.
[4:23:34] You're not going to want them in jail, Precise, you're not going to want them in Oak Lake
[4:23:37] the States.
[4:23:39] They, you know, Bill's said they're not appropriate anywhere that's probably not exactly
[4:23:43] true because they are appropriate for temporary storage, I think the code says that.
[4:23:49] For, you know, Walmart at Christmas time with the bicycles, the container that's dropped
[4:23:56] off and unloaded the first part of the week and then picked up another one placed down.
[4:24:00] That's the temporary nature for commercial.
[4:24:03] Commercial has been rolled into, it's a cheap inexpensive way of plopping them down and not having to add under their building or moving to a new building or improving.
[4:24:14] The county's even been seduced by that.
[4:24:16] You know, it's just easy to stick something in it and, you know, hey, it's sort of, I like the idea of having enough room for my lawnmower.
[4:24:23] But I'm not sure that that's a appropriate long-term solution for the county.
[4:24:29] For example, they, you know, I guess they would be there considered a structure if they're going to be used for that kind of a purpose.
[4:24:36] Now can't, we can only have what one or two accessory structures, one or two.
[4:24:42] But it's so I can take three of those and weld them together and I've got one structure.
[4:24:47] Yeah, I'm not sure. We've had people take old single-wise and make triple-wise out of them.
[4:24:53] By screwing them together and cutting holes between both ways between them.
[4:24:57] I'm not sure anyone really considers that's an appropriate use of an old mobile home.
[4:25:02] So I can see problems with that.
[4:25:04] I can see problems with all sorts of nice commercial areas having their next door neighbor
[4:25:10] with those put in the front or back.
[4:25:13] You're going to open up Pandora's box, I agree with Commissioner Colpepper, but probably not
[4:25:18] in a good way by allowing them, I think they need to be enforced.
[4:25:24] And that's a policy decision and I'll rewrite it again if you want.
[4:25:29] Well, what you're exactly partially agree with you when you said in this current way that you're
[4:25:34] addressing this, no, because you don't want these things to pop up in residential neighborhoods like
[4:25:39] or Terry, the beautiful area.
[4:25:40] And I agree with that 100%.
[4:25:42] That's exactly why I suggested looking at amending the policy where nothing can go on any
[4:25:48] area of smaller than five acres and the set that has to be 20% of the width of the property.
[4:25:55] There's things you, I mean we did that for Sheds right now and the fact is in 25 years I'll
[4:25:59] make your point for you. It hasn't exploded in 25 years. You know it's been kept to a pretty normal
[4:26:06] minimum. So now all of a sudden because one person gets a complaint and then once you start let
[4:26:11] these people bring containers on a temporary basis. Okay, they come down and get a permit,
[4:26:17] permit expires in 60 days or 90 days. Then, code enforcement has to go back out and see
[4:26:21] if they've taken it off. So, what you do, if we have to do the staff to do that, John,
[4:26:27] I'd be with you on a person.
[4:26:27] But I suggest the solution to all the ordinances that we're not enforcing is simply not
[4:26:33] writing them off if they serve a purpose. The intention should be to enforce those that serve
[4:26:39] purpose. Now you, as policy makers, have to decide whether it's a valid purpose to allow
[4:26:45] storage containers to be used as permanent accessory structures in residential and
[4:26:50] or commercial value. That's your policy decision. But I'm not sure we should automatically
[4:26:56] eliminate every ordinance that we have in force just because we didn't have the man
[4:27:01] power to do it or the will to do it.
[4:27:04] and I'm not suggesting it in any way, shape or form.
[4:27:07] What I'm suggesting is that, you know, eyes in the beauty, beauty in the eye, the bearholder.
[4:27:12] You know, what's one person's art is another person's disaster, you know, and it's a big
[4:27:17] box.
[4:27:18] But so is utility shed.
[4:27:19] So what do you do?
[4:27:20] Do we require people to put lattice work on your utility shed?
[4:27:23] So they look nicer.
[4:27:24] You know, it's a storage shed is what it is, you know?
[4:27:26] And if you've got one, I'm not advocating a 60 foot long storage shed on a residential
[4:27:31] lot.
[4:27:32] What I'm saying is is if someone's got a purpose and they have five acres to mold
[4:27:36] They probably got a pretty good size more and whatever the yard equipment that weedwackers
[4:27:40] You know because a lot of places don't have an existing garage. What do you put the stuff?
[4:27:45] So we're gonna put a utility shed and make a poor slab put a utility shed or they're gonna have a one that's already made up
[4:27:51] There's 10 times stronger and more substantial than what you can buy on people and those aren't cheap either
[4:27:57] You know, I priced him out there $12, $400 and that's about what these utility
[4:28:01] I mean, what these storage containers, you know, cost.
[4:28:04] So I don't think people are doing it for a cost factor.
[4:28:07] I think they're doing it because they know
[4:28:09] that what they put in there is secure.
[4:28:11] And it's not going to blow away in Hurricane Martha, you know,
[4:28:15] and I think that's what it is.
[4:28:17] So listen, you know, I'm just one of one of a board of four people,
[4:28:21] you know, and I'm just making a suggestion
[4:28:23] that I think the one thing that we do,
[4:28:25] I'd rather have my code enforcement not doing things,
[4:28:27] you know, that are more beneficial to the residents of the town,
[4:28:31] They're going out trying to hunt down to find out if somebody's put a 10 acres or
[4:28:35] a 5 acres, put up one of these containers, and they're going out and trying to harass them
[4:28:41] and then we go to the court enforcement and it has to go before the magistrate, and it's just
[4:28:47] I would like to find some way that we can accommodate people without creating a match of nightmare.
[4:28:54] And that's all it is.
[4:28:55] I mean, I don't have one.
[4:28:56] I never replace my utility, so I got a little pump shape, but the thing is, is
[4:29:01] that my area is not the place for you know because I have an acre and a half but I think
[4:29:06] there's places you know with five acres or larger that if they need that for their agricultural
[4:29:10] they decide to have an agricultural business I believe they should be afforded that right.
[4:29:22] The difference between the difference between 8 by 30 of the container is it is just one
[4:29:36] If you go to Home Depot to buy a utility sheet, put on your property,
[4:29:43] most of them are pleasing to look at.
[4:29:46] I think there is a big difference between seeing a big utility sheet that has a roof, then to see a big square metal container on property.
[4:30:00] Mr. Royson is exactly what I'm about to say, because I had this conversation right in the middle of taking a creek house with a guy put a storage shed. I would say it's probably 20 by 40 in the middle of his lot. We're dual doors.
[4:30:16] It's really pretty. And not only did we do one, we did two, right? So on two different properties.
[4:30:24] So I had never, and he explained to me that it was, in the ordinance, they could do that.
[4:30:31] And I, and I just have a real hard time going down the street, looking at this thing in the middle of the street.
[4:30:36] Our middle of the, of the lot amongst all the nice houses.
[4:30:40] So, I suggest that if the reason we're having this conversation is because we have selectively decided to ignore it.
[4:30:50] No, no, we're not selective in signing any of that bill.
[4:30:55] Sure we have.
[4:30:57] Because we drove about three or four to get there.
[4:30:59] So we're not right enough, everyone we can see.
[4:31:02] So the person that gets written up has a feeling that,
[4:31:06] OK, if you don't write me up, want you write up those six
[4:31:08] other guys down the street for me.
[4:31:11] So that's a little active.
[4:31:13] In person.
[4:31:14] Well, that's every single code enforcement case in existence.
[4:31:16] And every single person, every single person that's a violation,
[4:31:20] says, why don't you know, this person, this person,
[4:31:22] that's just nature of code enforcement.
[4:31:24] There's been kicked over one side of their multiple violations
[4:31:26] on the property.
[4:31:28] We did choose that property because there was a containment
[4:31:30] on it.
[4:31:31] There are multiple violations.
[4:31:32] Once we went to property, they contained one of them,
[4:31:34] of course, we included them.
[4:31:36] With a commercial, again, you want to receive the commissioners,
[4:31:39] directly to start doing a better work conference
[4:31:42] of job, opening up so much for our slurry,
[4:31:44] We're doing that, we're promising this container,
[4:31:48] we're doing some violations.
[4:31:50] We're going to be some more coming.
[4:31:52] So as far as that goes, now at the time,
[4:31:54] if you want us to, the plan is right now they're not allowed.
[4:31:59] We'll be using violations for them.
[4:32:02] If you want us to be with different policy,
[4:32:04] obviously we'll hold off on figures for you.
[4:32:06] Do you look at that issue,
[4:32:08] depending if they're the hearing process to change the policy?
[4:32:12] But, yes, you could go buy a dozen commercial properties and see the tenderness of our lives.
[4:32:17] You could go buy another property and pretend to see another violation here or there.
[4:32:23] We're trying to get a more comprehensive and proactive approach to dealing with these areas,
[4:32:29] which seems to be the desire.
[4:32:30] And this is something that will happen because of that.
[4:32:33] So, actually, it's not going to be very good time.
[4:32:35] It's that you could be doing this.
[4:32:38] Do we want to do it or don't we?
[4:32:39] Well, by and large we've been a complaint driven code enforcement process and we really haven't said all right today is container day tomorrow's sign day
[4:32:49] You know next day. If Wednesdays is always
[4:32:51] some card day, but I think there's been ashore to be done on multiple occasions not to be
[4:32:57] Complaint driven to be
[4:32:59] We're driven by the ordinance
[4:33:01] Not because I've been quite about your property and drove by his property with the same knowledge and I do remember some years ago
[4:33:08] There was a subdivision by subdivision suite by code enforcement.
[4:33:13] I don't know how many subdivisions they got through before they were tired.
[4:33:16] I don't know.
[4:33:17] But I do remember there was, you know, like spot in the sun one time.
[4:33:20] And we had do very gardens.
[4:33:22] And, you know, a spot in the middle.
[4:33:26] Tell where people that live there.
[4:33:27] So I wouldn't say that.
[4:33:29] So I had that same discussion with code enforcement many times.
[4:33:33] Just this year.
[4:33:36] It's tough to go down the street and issue violation of which to run a house when you see
[4:33:41] six others with the exact same violation on the way, and we have that discussion and we will be.
[4:33:47] But we've been talking about that for years, Bill.
[4:33:50] Well, not necessarily a fear, but people in this community have been talking about that for years.
[4:33:55] Yes, the community has, but the board has not.
[4:33:57] I just said that.
[4:33:58] I say, this group has not, but the community has said, we want this to be driven by the
[4:34:03] ordinance, not by complaint.
[4:34:05] But you are always going to have complaints, and we have to rest at the complaint.
[4:34:09] Well, I just don't have to, you tell us just ignore all of the complaints.
[4:34:14] No matter how proactive it is, there are still always going to be complaints, and we don't
[4:34:17] have to be checked into them.
[4:34:18] But yeah, and that's going to be a huge burden for a long time.
[4:34:21] I agree with you.
[4:34:22] It's sort of, something's not right about it.
[4:34:25] and issue a single violation of a single reference
[4:34:28] when you see the other violence in the wrong way
[4:34:30] of the same type, particularly the same type.
[4:34:34] Or any time, you drive back and say it right now.
[4:34:37] Now sometimes, some of these streets
[4:34:39] can take you, come along and see if we can get this green
[4:34:42] when we're going to the fight first came from.
[4:34:43] When you stop to every house in all the way,
[4:34:45] they can be the violence should be done.
[4:34:46] Well, I think one of the things we probably don't utilize
[4:34:49] as much as we could is the door hanger.
[4:34:52] You see the violation, you don't have time.
[4:34:54] on your way, you've already got a full plate, you put the door hanger, you note the address
[4:34:58] so you can go back and check on it, and then do that formal process.
[4:35:02] I'm sure they do use door hangers because they've got them, I remember, do we have one
[4:35:06] door hanger?
[4:35:07] Department?
[4:35:08] Have you got a door hanger?
[4:35:09] Not lately, not this week.
[4:35:12] He's got a different process by which, I'm going to give him credit, or whoever's in your
[4:35:17] department, they send him a card, and they solve the approach, and they'd be getting
[4:35:23] really good results. So they've been doing some of that. The issue is as he knows this as well as
[4:35:29] say all of us. This whole business about proactive code enforcement is a main piece on his
[4:35:36] plate that's the issue of getting the people out or getting a person out there to get it done.
[4:35:41] So that goes back to this thing. What do we all do with it?
[4:35:44] I mean, we can ask this question about what we're going to do before you decide.
[4:35:48] I'm sorry, okay. What are we going to do with this? I mean, I'm not in favor of change
[4:35:53] enormous, I'll be honest with you.
[4:35:56] So I'm going to get an ordinance keep the ordinance
[4:35:58] way of this, but if so, then now here's what's going
[4:36:02] to happen.
[4:36:03] You're going to start going out, and all these people
[4:36:05] who have money on their property right now,
[4:36:08] is a notice that they're going to have to move.
[4:36:10] That includes a county.
[4:36:12] So that becomes a dilemma.
[4:36:16] If the county has to move, the county has to move.
[4:36:18] Well, there's a dilemma.
[4:36:20] We can reality it is.
[4:36:22] John, we do years and years, and you mentioned about bringing in three double wives and screwed
[4:36:30] them together.
[4:36:31] So we change your order.
[4:36:32] So it says now if you bring in a trailer in an older trailer, it was made after 1976,
[4:36:36] it has to be inspected by an engineer.
[4:36:38] So you can't put three trailers in.
[4:36:40] And I'm just using that as an example.
[4:36:42] We know that.
[4:36:43] When we had the culvert problem, when we were digging out people who drive ways and we didn't
[4:36:47] replace them.
[4:36:47] We changed that.
[4:36:49] All right.
[4:36:49] Why can't we say the people the current is so we don't see but like these things
[4:36:53] Scraughting like Petunia's all of a sudden did I think a lot of the fear is what do we say okay after January 1 of
[4:37:02] 2015-16 no more containers no more containers so then we have a concrete thing to tell when they come into planning and zoning or try to move on it
[4:37:10] Stop it
[4:37:16] I'm just using a hypothetical day.
[4:37:19] It's a grand father-in.
[4:37:21] You know, if it's been there for 10 years, 15 years,
[4:37:24] like there's Sheds, like anything else that we did.
[4:37:30] Well, what I'm saying is, is that no other containers can be brought in for any reason.
[4:37:36] Well, unless you could go out and stamp them with inspected by and know which ones are already here.
[4:37:43] I mean, you might be able to say, well, this one has CSX on the side of me, this one has acne-free.
[4:37:49] I'm not sure how you would know when they came in, because there's no permanent process for them.
[4:37:54] That way, because that has multiple compliance out of its bottom of the sign, whether or not they've ever been resolved, that's defined in the top looks, leave theirs there.
[4:38:06] I'm going to say, I think utility sheds out there, and you just mentioned a goodless botanist on and buildings out there, you know, that are out there, and look ten times worse than one of those cargo containers.
[4:38:18] So, again, like I said, we're going to put the oneness on a department of authority stressed out because of a lack of personnel to address these code violations.
[4:38:28] What's going to happen when we start writing all these violations of, you know, and notwithstanding ourselves.
[4:38:34] But all the ones, I mean, if you've been out to the acreage lately, and I flew over it, you know, in an airplane, and I'm telling you, man, you've got a big problem out there.
[4:38:42] you know, these kids and there's this guy selling all those lots out there with a website
[4:38:46] come on here to do what you want, fire your guns, you know, whatever, and it's creating
[4:38:51] some issues out there at some big time issues. And so that's just one area that you're going
[4:38:56] to have to address. Now, what do you do tell them, no, we're not going to inspect that
[4:38:58] because you bought way out there and that's your fault. I mean, that's what they were told
[4:39:01] for years. So you still have, it's still accounting. You still have to do come for some of the
[4:39:06] old accounting. And I'm just trying to, I know what Beth and Rollo are going through right now.
[4:39:10] trying to keep up with what they already have.
[4:39:12] It's a lot on their plate.
[4:39:14] And so unless you're prepared to go out and hire
[4:39:15] by our six more code enforcement people,
[4:39:18] you know, it's going to be a monumental task.
[4:39:24] Well, certainly was it just that people have had
[4:39:26] these on their property for years,
[4:39:27] don't know it's a violation.
[4:39:29] Obviously not.
[4:39:30] And I would agree that it will solve the process.
[4:39:33] And I think many people would respond to that.
[4:39:38] Saying it's a violation.
[4:39:39] And you have until it's going to admit it.
[4:39:42] I think especially if you're starting a new regime
[4:39:44] or a new more aggressive or she and you should get warnings.
[4:39:48] Well, I mean, we ought to say option.
[4:39:50] Oh, if we think it's not to do it for this,
[4:39:52] we look to the community and we ought to report it.
[4:39:56] And that's what Beth and Timmer tried to do now.
[4:40:00] Does the door hangers do that?
[4:40:03] Yeah, I mean, I mean, they've always done that.
[4:40:06] If it's just, they've always...
[4:40:07] They've always done that.
[4:40:07] They've always done that.
[4:40:07] They've always done that.
[4:40:09] If you really want to read the code force,
[4:40:12] when you do a way with a vision that prohibits overcrow,
[4:40:15] to do the way with the equation that prohibits enough jobs
[4:40:17] to talk, so I'll have to make your life easier, too.
[4:40:20] That's not the type of community that we want up until we can be.
[4:40:26] I don't know if any circumstance where a container has been,
[4:40:30] the one and only violation of the property,
[4:40:32] you just don't like to see that law,
[4:40:33] usually there's other stuff going on there,
[4:40:36] whether we see it or whether most of them are still in planes,
[4:40:39] but if that's on there, then we can put that there as well.
[4:40:41] If the technical and the commercial problems,
[4:40:45] again, it's one, there's several traffic trailers
[4:40:47] are using for loaded and unloading up.
[4:40:50] The traffic trailers themselves never moved.
[4:40:51] There was put stuff in a inventory,
[4:40:53] and I'm in and out, and that's what we've told them.
[4:40:55] You know, they've got to get ready to have one of the
[4:40:58] particularly in the office, but for the commercial,
[4:41:00] yeah, as we were starting to look at these
[4:41:01] a bit more closely, there's lots of commercial properties
[4:41:05] that surprised me that have the containers on them.
[4:41:08] It's not like you're going to say,
[4:41:09] And in the end, I think it's been 30 days, or in the management.
[4:41:11] No, we'll do it a time or something like this.
[4:41:17] But presumably, this is where it's called policy, but it is something
[4:41:20] that will have to be addressed, whether it was 90 days or 180 days or something.
[4:41:24] For every told, of course, the case would get somebody says, you know, 90 time, 90 time.
[4:41:28] I don't know.
[4:41:28] Well, a lot of people didn't take much time to call this up on the property.
[4:41:34] You know, can't give me three years to take it off.
[4:41:37] It is clear to me as if it is a policy moment on these things, what do we want to do with it?
[4:41:47] And again, you will believe me.
[4:41:49] You will become aware very soon of every single commercial property, the Shivalation Board.
[4:41:55] Well, whether I continue part of it or not.
[4:41:57] I think you are already aware virtually every single commercial property, the mission violation is for the last two months.
[4:42:02] Every single one has been, except for one.
[4:42:06] One guy complied immediately, every other one has been a challenge, we are not getting immediate friendly cooperation, we are getting excuses, delays, and we are seeing the war.
[4:42:19] And imagine you are getting phone calls.
[4:42:21] Oh yeah.
[4:42:24] Well, I already get phone calls.
[4:42:29] Would you like to make public comment?
[4:42:34] Yes.
[4:42:34] So we can get your own take, or on digital, I guess we don't do tapes anymore.
[4:42:40] The cards team, you may comment that if there's not a demolition, she does not make a demolition.
[4:42:48] So if you make a demolition, whether it retainers already there, if she had a demolition to clean up,
[4:42:53] if you don't want to retainers alone, let them touch that?
[4:42:56] No.
[4:42:57] Well, then if you're going to do that, if you see the container then, it needs to have a demolition.
[4:43:02] It's not a thing around, but I said I hadn't been aware of this time of any violations
[4:43:08] where it contained it in the one and only purpose for the violations.
[4:43:11] Well, that's what I'm talking about, if you say it's not there, are you going to go get it?
[4:43:16] Are you going to leave the law?
[4:43:17] Of course, it's not something else there.
[4:43:19] For another violation of the law, we are getting less what you just said.
[4:43:24] Another thing I'd like to make common on, I've been delighted to talk first here in us on
[4:43:31] dollars. There's not have any trades where it's only what the law makes you to pay
[4:43:36] them all in the next section. So how can it have to of course not know what
[4:43:40] steps are going to go in the straightest by the step when you do not clarify
[4:43:45] exactly what's going on. Now we've got another way, stating the 20 by the 1020, we don't
[4:43:50] have to explain that. It's a 215 dollar-laying by the way. Now you've got to say
[4:43:55] what needs to be cleaned up. What have been done the first time that the
[4:44:00] But we did have a lot of it.
[4:44:03] And there wouldn't be notice violation that an
[4:44:05] notice of hearing and I have a notice of it.
[4:44:07] That's a lot.
[4:44:09] But in there it comes.
[4:44:10] This last time we got that the all the time,
[4:44:13] because I told them what we had abolished it.
[4:44:16] I guess so.
[4:44:18] Yes, sir.
[4:44:18] I'll write all three of that.
[4:44:20] All right.
[4:44:21] So maybe maybe if you could clean the letter,
[4:44:24] or explain the letter, which is fine,
[4:44:26] but that might have been helpful.
[4:44:29] Okay.
[4:44:30] Thank you.
[4:44:46] Now, this means that anybody that has property, regardless of the acreage, this property size, those have to come off.
[4:45:00] And, you know, pretty much they're not cumbersible as successful storage structures. There are, you know, the commercial farm and properties where a lot of, they call a lot of exemptions from bill and code number stuff. So if it's a property that qualifies for the farm, bill and exemption, it's not much we can do. We certainly, we've always allowed them temporary, we've said to association with bill and permits, kind of like that. But the others, right, there's no turning, there's no limit on zoning district, partial sizing, and they know it.
[4:45:30] But I mean, that's specific to containers, shipping containers.
[4:45:35] Well, now, that's the case.
[4:45:37] Okay, well that's the problem.
[4:45:38] That's the policy.
[4:45:39] And the, on the agenda item also is the talk about accessories, structures, and general
[4:45:44] references, mullongs, the modular buildings, and classrooms, the modular offices, the
[4:45:52] Soviet containers, factory-trailer, dollar stains, and that in the children of the years
[4:45:57] have commonly come to be used for a successful story, you know, that was never the original
[4:46:03] chance of that structure. So, I mean, it caused all these things. People get pretty
[4:46:07] creative with them, it's restored. You know, based on everything else things, the story
[4:46:11] built in is supposed to be a shadow on something that's actually built before, the billin
[4:46:16] code, and it's a private permit, and the property will be paid on the site.
[4:46:22] I didn't know, I see. Do you see, I actually have the appeal, but a lot right on things
[4:46:26] to do in democracy and favors, but that's, this is, this is one of your primary policy
[4:46:34] governments.
[4:46:36] This is, you're wishing me to fire on how you want me to do it.
[4:46:40] The only thing I'm looking at bill is the repercussions of us trying to make this enforcement.
[4:46:46] We've got somebody out there with two hundred and fifty acres, it's got Jimmy and
[4:46:49] painters on it.
[4:46:50] Are we going to cite them?
[4:46:51] That's what could be, probably, a commercial farming operation that's going to fall out of the exemption.
[4:46:58] Okay. And they have it. Okay. So that's what I'm saying. These things will be exempted from that if it's a commercial farming operation.
[4:47:09] The ground, if you want, you need to come up to Mike, if you want to talk to him, you need to get your own.
[4:47:14] On the recorder.
[4:47:15] What?
[4:47:22] What part of it is generally having that the agricultural exemption from the
[4:47:26] proper pressure? That's something we look at, but then look at the evidence of actually
[4:47:31] a farmer's operation occurring on the problem.
[4:47:35] Last up, that's our quarter, the can be.
[4:47:37] I'm sorry.
[4:47:39] Well, yes, only.
[4:47:40] So, yes.
[4:47:40] Who's could you have a call on me?
[4:47:42] I'm a resident of property.
[4:47:44] I'm going to resident of property.
[4:47:45] I'm going to resident of property.
[4:47:46] I'm going to call it.
[4:47:46] It's something like the ball box for the course of formal operation.
[4:47:49] What I would suggest to you is pull the right of format.
[4:47:52] Because that is a lot of information.
[4:47:53] It will help you understand just what you can.
[4:47:56] You can't do.
[4:47:58] I'd like to talk to you, sir.
[4:48:02] Good night.
[4:48:02] Good night.
[4:48:03] My
[4:48:12] name is Donald Brown. I am a five-day contract. I have a couple of these so-called containers.
[4:48:27] And I understand there are two sides that almost anything you want to talk about.
[4:48:34] side of the fact that there are containers,
[4:48:39] as they were shaped a little bit different.
[4:48:41] Maybe that people would exist from the fact that they're square,
[4:48:48] seems to be one of the main problems.
[4:48:51] We could take either this garden, build a shed over like a look like a little house or something.
[4:49:07] Then it wouldn't, you know, there's a lot of problems for a lot of people to have to move all these things.
[4:49:17] And it's like you said, if I can't have one, then you can't have one.
[4:49:23] I mean, it's not going to be fair.
[4:49:26] There's hundreds of them in the county, it's not bothering anybody.
[4:49:30] Nobody's complaining about them, there's no problem except somebody made a law
[4:49:36] because somebody was living in some.
[4:49:40] I don't know the priority. I mean, it's months and my rights.
[4:49:43] Yes, you're that's correct.
[4:49:44] That shouldn't affect everybody else that's in the county.
[4:49:49] It's got property that needs a storage place.
[4:49:54] And these things are ideal for storage for everybody.
[4:49:56] And you've talked about their strong.
[4:49:59] You can walk them up and forget about it.
[4:50:02] Nobody.
[4:50:03] Nobody.
[4:50:04] Nobody.
[4:50:04] Nobody.
[4:50:04] Nobody.
[4:50:04] Nobody.
[4:50:08] Nobody.
[4:50:08] their good object in my opinion for most people, why they're such a resistance to
[4:50:19] have in under-profit conditions, and is talking about the troops, the semi-trailers for
[4:50:29] We've got a place in town, Dhamma Hall with his feet business, and it's ideal for his
[4:50:40] business.
[4:50:41] He always had come here from all over the United States or wherever he grew up in
[4:50:46] Dhamma, different quality decay, so called horse hay is very expensive, and it's not even
[4:50:52] strong, much, and this area, we call it as a quality of grass in here.
[4:51:00] They bring it in here, but some I love, they unhook them, some ox from the truck, they sell
[4:51:07] the hay out of the truck, they're straight away pick it up, because we had to even get some more.
[4:51:14] You know, there are just so many occasions and so many reasons that people need these things, different ways and different places, storage,
[4:51:28] there's places that I know that they don't need to be shouldn't be in and might be being misused.
[4:51:34] But, to punish everybody, what goes of you, made a mistake,
[4:51:44] I wish we could make it to where it's common sense and reasonable.
[4:51:51] Instead of being heart-centered, we're going into square blocks.
[4:51:57] I don't know what else to say.
[4:51:58] I'd like to keep the ones that got very, very, very well-behaved, well-being youth, they have to be moved.
[4:52:07] I mean, I think the county or the rural, there's first, I think they were the city example.
[4:52:13] We've got them out in several places. The chaos got on.
[4:52:17] They've got them out in there.
[4:52:19] That's on the recreation area.
[4:52:23] I've seen one up here by one of the buildings, I don't know the name of it, but it's...
[4:52:30] Emergency tax situation there. They've got one host kind of fancy deals sitting there. And, you know, let's see, the heaven where it's done in my opinion about it, I prefer we have them, because there's too many people in need of it. And, I don't know what to say except, let's have someone since.
[4:52:54] Thank you, Mr. Brown. I'm sure it was more than just the discussion some years ago.
[4:52:59] whenever this was passed with more than just because somebody was living and I'm sure there was a great deal of more discussion than that.
[4:53:08] And it was, I guess the, the, the never been permissible but we had enough issues over the years.
[4:53:13] In a particular, when a couple of ways came in, the one way came in and said,
[4:53:16] upon its county school district was giving away all the court class rooms and everybody wanted to accept them up.
[4:53:22] They're, they're free to remove them and then some years ago, another way, I don't know what happened,
[4:53:26] but obviously a bunch of shipping containers became available and they were just flooding in.
[4:53:30] Now, whenever anybody's calls us, we always say, no, you can't do that.
[4:53:33] It doesn't mean they just hang up and do it anyway.
[4:53:38] We simply meant that an ordinance about 10 years ago to make it clear.
[4:53:43] We believe that they were never allowed, but we simply meant that the ordinance in 2005
[4:53:48] to raise in the doubt about that.
[4:53:51] And we can, I say, we're about to embark on this.
[4:53:55] There is a mispedant component in the land of all regulations, and that's basically mostly
[4:54:00] a mispedant component.
[4:54:02] You want to safely, but you also want a community that looks in a certain way.
[4:54:07] So this is the opportunity to let us know what direction to go.
[4:54:16] One of this is definitely a discussion item.
[4:54:21] It's been a day for discussion items.
[4:54:23] So it's been a day for discussion items.
[4:54:34] I think what might be helpful to serve it, to make it, would maybe if you guys would tell
[4:54:39] it an important talk about it and decide how you might do that and what kind of timeframe
[4:54:43] you would begin in force in this kind of uniform way and how much time you're willing
[4:54:50] to give people, like give them a notice in your violation, you need to have a move of January
[4:54:55] first or something, if we're going to enforce it, if we're not going to enforce it, I'm opposed
[4:55:04] to doing this one and that one and one down the street and not the six that we've got
[4:55:11] sitting on the main drag for sitting on our property.
[4:55:15] I mean, I'm a firm believer, you've got to set the example.
[4:55:18] And if our example is, we don't pay any attention to the ordinance.
[4:55:21] And
[4:55:25] then it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's to me a little embarrassing that there might be some of these on the government property that
[4:55:34] or they shouldn't be here.
[4:55:38] But you know, I mean, we got, we got a sad and example we can't, I can't expect you to do something from that world on their terms.
[4:55:44] I do not basically, you know, we're not going to, we're not going to offer exempt itself from everything.
[4:55:50] I agree with that.
[4:55:52] It's the same premise.
[4:55:53] The same, yes.
[4:55:54] It's a simple cheat store.
[4:55:56] Popping now.
[4:55:56] They've got stuck in a nice secure.
[4:55:59] But is that also how we want our governmental properties to move?
[4:56:02] Is that the thing that you're trying to project?
[4:56:07] If you, I mean, there are things you can do.
[4:56:09] If you, if you, if you build a poll bar,
[4:56:12] and you can put anything in the one, you can set the poll bar.
[4:56:15] So that's how something will have to double it in the past.
[4:56:17] of the pole barn itself is one of these two accessories structures
[4:56:20] and can't even, you know, I heard my house and all that stuff.
[4:56:23] But if you build the pole barn, if you put it in the pit,
[4:56:25] then it happens to be a shipping container, AX inside an authorized structure
[4:56:31] and good for you.
[4:56:41] Are you seriously saying that an open-sided pole barn could have a shipping
[4:56:46] container dragged under it and all of a sudden it's a permissible structure?
[4:56:49] No, it's not that important.
[4:56:51] It's not an international structure.
[4:56:53] You can have it, you can have it, you can have it.
[4:56:56] It's a very simple way we can have the drug.
[4:56:58] We can have it with the whole bunch of papers.
[4:57:01] That's just the way it is.
[4:57:02] It's an open phone.
[4:57:04] Can I just suggest you to give me a painted camouflage.
[4:57:06] You'll know what you'll see it.
[4:57:10] Put in the picture frame.
[4:57:14] Okay.
[4:57:15] I think we need to put it.
[4:57:16] Let's put talking about this.
[4:57:18] If you also just have to address that support,
[4:57:24] and I guess that's, you know, that's, of course,
[4:57:28] one of the dangers of making all of this is what every, you know, that sometime came by the sword by that.
[4:57:34] Sometimes, do we really do that?
[4:57:36] You make me do it.
[4:57:39] Excuse me?
[4:57:46] I mean, it was item for discussion.
[4:57:47] I mean, I think it'd be helpful, at least, for me, if we figured out how we're going to do this,
[4:57:52] not enforce the ordinance. I mean, it would be helpful to me. And then, of course, obviously,
[4:57:59] if we enforce the ordinance, it won't be easy for people to move. I'm assuming you had
[4:58:02] to have a truck come get them. Right?
[4:58:08] So you had to give, obviously, it can't be a 30 thing.
[4:58:11] It probably is to be more than that.
[4:58:12] I mean, if you even want to think about this world, then, because once we start, once we start,
[4:58:16] you could either restart, not for the first ones, anyway, once we start in the following,
[4:58:22] and we start or we don't.
[4:58:23] Last thing that I believe is start and we have some people
[4:58:27] have to move theirs and then at some point
[4:58:30] and get some comfortable inside the stop to and then.
[4:58:33] So we're going to be part of the people here
[4:58:34] because the first person doesn't have to head to them there.
[4:58:37] So I'm going to get them to start or we don't.
[4:58:39] If they're in the city limits, does it?
[4:58:42] I don't know if the city regulation is not.
[4:58:44] I don't know if the city regulation is not.
[4:58:46] So I'm just saying, we don't, it's not them
[4:58:49] all along to our ordinance, if you tend to say landings for us.
[4:58:52] Okay, I mean, I didn't make a deal, but so I think I think a number of good things
[4:58:59] that come out of this discussion, number one is whatever you decide code enforcement will have
[4:59:04] a validation that if that's what you want, it's not just a leftover from an older ordinance,
[4:59:10] because you will get phone calls and you already have phone calls about some of the enhanced
[4:59:14] code enforcement they've been doing.
[4:59:17] So, but, you know, you need to, at some point, make a decision, you know, you can make
[4:59:22] several of them.
[4:59:22] You can say, all right, we want to think about it some more.
[4:59:25] Don't really enforce the shipping and standards, no, we make a decision.
[4:59:28] That sort of puts code enforcement in a bad situation, because you'll have people, next
[4:59:33] or neighbors, complaining about it, especially after they've heard some of this dialogue.
[4:59:37] You could say, all right, we are not inclined to change the ordinance or start the process
[4:59:42] to change the ordinance, because it is an LER.
[4:59:44] So I'd go to the planning board for us and then come back to you, and that's a fairly drawn-up process.
[4:59:49] Or we're not inclined to change the ordinance, but we do want to see an action plan towards how you are going to address these to code enforcement.
[4:59:57] So at least give them some certainty of what they should be doing with their day.
[5:00:03] May 1st, I'm not in plan. If you suggest we'll be away from the board.
[5:00:08] For that.
[5:00:10] See, option 3 is pretty good. It's a good plan. How you going to handle it?
[5:00:16] I need to do that.
[5:00:21] Well, yeah. You need to have a plan, but how you going to handle it.
[5:00:25] Because if you send us back to the planning board, it's going to come back.
[5:00:32] negative, they're not going to go, they're not going to change us. I'm guaranteed I'm not going to change it.
[5:00:37] So don't even think about that. Go set a plan. How are you going to manage the existing ordinance?
[5:00:43] Come back with a plan?
[5:00:47] I don't think you're going to be in a way for back and forth.
[5:00:50] I mean, just move on with this there and do enforce what's there.
[5:00:54] I mean, I don't like to hear that we're not going to enforce the ordinance. We're going to enforce the ordinance.
[5:00:57] We're just getting forced all the ordinance up every property.
[5:01:04] I think we understand that can't be simultaneously, and obviously we know it's not instantaneous.
[5:01:10] So, because my thought sitting here is, you know, the shipping containers aren't permitted.
[5:01:15] There is no list of where they are.
[5:01:17] I mean, it's going to be as, there's some they know, but they can't possibly know where every single one is.
[5:01:23] I can't imagine.
[5:01:24] Because there's nothing in our records that they exist.
[5:01:27] So that means they've got to find them.
[5:01:33] So, when you do find them, you have to give them a certain length of time to remove them.
[5:01:42] I mean, it's not like that.
[5:01:43] A lot of these people that have them probably don't even have the money to remove them.
[5:01:48] I will certainly accept that although we've never told anybody that they have them.
[5:01:51] They call an answer and come and ask, the answer is no, you can't have that.
[5:01:56] So, you know, never told anybody, can't have them.
[5:01:59] I will acknowledge that they have been there for a while.
[5:02:01] Some of them we probably have seen and not mentioned about.
[5:02:05] They should know this for that.
[5:02:06] Some violations are pretty easy.
[5:02:08] The standard is 14 days to get some of their captions and go and go and be able to do the extension,
[5:02:15] but you do not have to submit your attention now.
[5:02:17] I can acknowledge something like this.
[5:02:18] It's not a 14-day stitch.
[5:02:20] If you realize you have to do that, you're going to have to find some alternative for whatever
[5:02:24] I'm going to stop getting over there and if we're to be in it, so we're going to be like 15 days.
[5:02:31] I assume I make a suggestion, this is something about it.
[5:02:33] If we're going to do this, and if we're going to enforce this, they're going to make a suggestion.
[5:02:38] But the county, let's clean out our own house first, give it a divorce.
[5:02:43] Then if we're going to do this, then the people will come back to us and complain and say, we took them off our property.
[5:02:50] So then at least they understand that we're not holding two standards.
[5:02:54] Then if we're going to do this, let's get rid of ours first.
[5:02:58] Okay.
[5:02:58] And then say, okay, now we've gotten rid of ours to show good faith that we are not treating ourselves
[5:03:03] any different than what we're treating you.
[5:03:05] I think it should be simultaneous.
[5:03:07] And I'm supposed to get with staff to get rid of ours now.
[5:03:09] Please see, Bill.
[5:03:10] That was the reason I said, go back and develop a plan.
[5:03:17] That's what I want you to do is come back, said number one, give you what's the counties, make sure that we're clean, and then go work on the rest of the people.
[5:03:27] That's a plan.
[5:03:28] We can sit here and go back and forth, but Mr. Calpever just give you the basis of your plan to figure out how to get the same done.
[5:03:36] And I think, but I think it's important to be clear that, for example, you're not going,
[5:03:42] if you have any in-process, you're not going to just halt until you have a plan.
[5:03:47] Right.
[5:03:47] If you're there on some other issue, and you see it sitting right next to the junk car,
[5:03:53] you're not going to ignore it because you're going to have a plan.
[5:03:55] But for this, basically, broad wholesale attempt to get these under control, that's the plan you're looking for.
[5:04:02] Right.
[5:04:02] That's correct.
[5:04:13] Thank you, Bill.
[5:04:14] Thank you for the bill.
[5:04:17] It's been a long day.
[5:04:21] Yeah.
[5:04:30] Okay.
[5:04:32] Last item is a discussion fed of ramps.
[5:04:36] Just not sure what.
[5:04:40] So, in some doing some research on sidewalk money,
[5:04:46] this is how this came about,
[5:04:47] because I was looking for other ways to pay for the fastwood sidewalk
[5:04:51] I came across this company who basically does research on and applies for federal grants
[5:05:01] and all kinds of stuff and had an interesting conversation really it's that that I want
[5:05:06] to talk about and then see if you want to move forward or look at this in a different way
[5:05:11] but when I talk to this particular company they said you know pretty much I bet you had
[5:05:16] quite a bit of dollars on the table in terms of federal rents and that there are lots of
[5:05:22] things that are available that range from sidewalks to rural broadband, which I told
[5:05:28] them I wasn't interested in, to cultural facilities,
[5:05:36] to ambulance equipment, fire trucks,
[5:05:40] schools, water and wastewater, and that's why I kind of bring those out because of the cost of this.
[5:05:48] You know, but there were so many grants and they said that they returned on investment for the cost of them doing all of that to make those applications.
[5:05:56] And probably on behalf of the county is from as small as a three to one.
[5:06:00] So, for instance, if it's $100,000 to hire these people, you're getting about $3 million in return.
[5:06:08] Usually that's what happens, and he said, as it's high as $10 to 1.
[5:06:13] So, it's just, I thought it was an interesting concept that you have somebody out there who's actually hunting down these dollars and applying them for them for you.
[5:06:23] Based on the certain check list that you tell them, these are the ones I want you to go look for.
[5:06:27] And, you know, but will maybe, you know, since it could help the school who's in the process and I haven't talked to them about any of this.
[5:06:36] But, you know, it could help maybe the school looking for dollars to build a new high school.
[5:06:40] I thought about oh you way and some of the things that they're trying to do.
[5:06:45] And, you know, really need only look at state dollars.
[5:06:48] On our side was very little federal dollars we look at.
[5:06:51] And I understand your position on federal dollars and actually,
[5:06:55] Interestingly enough, that is a concept that may even bring out by a lot of people don't
[5:06:59] is because they don't feel like the federal government can afford it.
[5:07:02] But there are potentially programs sitting there that are funded.
[5:07:06] I mean, and it goes on into housing and I mean, which I'm not interested in the housing
[5:07:09] dollars either.
[5:07:10] But I just thought it was interesting that there was a whole list of things that are out there
[5:07:15] and available for funding, a few of those which we already have budgeted in, you know,
[5:07:20] and are intending to spend their own dollars on and thought maybe we would be interested in pursuing another source.
[5:07:35] Hearing them does not fall in our procurement policy, so we definitely want to go out to bid and see who else is out there. I'm not advocating any one group, but definitely was like, okay, well, we could, you know, right now.
[5:07:49] Our P, and put it out there and see who else would respond.
[5:07:55] Well, this is a philosophical thing, and like I've explained, realistically that if we turn
[5:08:04] a grant down, doesn't mean that everybody else is going to say, well, you know, I know
[5:08:09] what's irresponsible because the government, you know, shouldn't be, and it's going to stop
[5:08:13] them for it.
[5:08:13] As long as there's politicians and we're all one of them, you know, in Tallahassee and
[5:08:19] in Washington, that one of the things they're going to do is they're going to offer these grants,
[5:08:23] and especially if you're a county of critical need, and you're in the internal part
[5:08:28] of the state, well, we don't have the benefits of the outside parts of the state's town.
[5:08:33] I think it's unrealistic to say, well, because we don't take it, that they'll stop doing.
[5:08:38] They're going to continue doing it.
[5:08:39] And many things that we have seen in services is completely funded by Ramon, so if it wasn't for
[5:08:44] that we may not be able to offer that benefit to a lot of people.
[5:08:49] So I'm of the firm belief that there's grants out there available and it will improve
[5:08:53] the quality of life of the residents, of what we shall be, or whatever other county.
[5:08:58] Then I'm all for checking in those grants.
[5:09:00] Some of them may be of a match that we can't afford, and that when you have the pass on.
[5:09:05] But I think once that we have a grant, a match that's realistic, I just may, you know,
[5:09:11] and I'm not debating anybody who's good, better than the other way.
[5:09:14] That's just my philosophical view, is that if it's something that we can do to make our community safer,
[5:09:21] I'd like to look at it, you know, and this is the way everybody knows if you try to go and do this yourself,
[5:09:26] you don't have the access to the people that are actually doing these grants.
[5:09:30] And it would take so much time, or if you pay somebody to do that for you and pay them a commission to do it,
[5:09:35] I think it's responsible.
[5:09:37] And I would certainly like to utilize any possible means that we can.
[5:09:41] To fix the things we need to do because we don't have those dollars of a lot of the areas, the coastal areas now.
[5:09:48] So, I'm all about it.
[5:09:49] You know, if the board sees fit to contract with someone,
[5:09:54] but RFP, I'm behind 100%.
[5:09:56] I am too hot.
[5:09:59] Did Clyde's County was there to regret their high school?
[5:10:04] It is great funded, it wasn't, yeah. I just don't know how much it was where I funded.
[5:10:10] It was a significant amount of money, and I think there was more state than federal, but it was really surprised what they received.
[5:10:19] I'll make sure you put it in there.
[5:10:22] Well, I think what Robby was focused on too is this particular individual or this company basically, so they have a fairly decent record.
[5:10:33] And given that they're record, even though we got to go up for here, I mean, I think going out for these particular grants and trying to at least find the money for sidewalks and things with that sort.
[5:10:43] That's a good opportunity.
[5:10:44] At least take a look at it and see what the viable by tell our viability of it is.
[5:10:49] If it's something good, then because if we don't ever take a look at things, we never know if it's good or bad or different.
[5:10:55] So at least I would like to go out and take a look at it and create the RAP and go for it.
[5:11:03] No, we should have more information if you want to move forward.
[5:11:07] It shouldn't be too hard to nail down who's successful and who's not.
[5:11:10] Right.
[5:11:10] That should be pretty easy to pinpoint.
[5:11:15] Yes, just with school of starting,
[5:11:20] you just see how many places need sidewalls.
[5:11:26] We definitely need to be more mobile right.
[5:11:30] Protester in mobile.
[5:11:31] I should say.
[5:11:32] I'm already bad at hunting the sidewalks.
[5:11:34] I think we do the drainage and reset those positions.
[5:11:38] I mean, those people have been promised for a long time that we were going to work to do something,
[5:11:43] especially in the Wichbring Pines area, which really, really bad.
[5:11:47] And to do the sidewalks in conjunction with resetting those elevations,
[5:11:50] Can that drain the job there's going to be, you know, if you truly want to attract new people into a community
[5:11:57] These things that you do are going to make it just exactly to be attractive to someone by those lots of
[5:12:02] And start to add to what tax base
[5:12:09] So a few other little things
[5:12:11] We're done with the regular agenda
[5:12:13] I mentioned this I think during the workshop we have a request from
[5:12:22] ready to write a letter or support to them for a heartland, ready, rural development grant
[5:12:30] application that is being submitted to the Department of Economic Opportunity and so I just
[5:12:36] want to know if the board wants to do that. I have a sample letter here that we can use and I
[5:12:42] would say put the chair signature on it. I just have a new resolution today. Okay. So you may want
[5:12:50] to check your email. I just saw it already after lunch.
[5:12:54] I didn't see it. Mark Morton sent it to me wanted to know.
[5:12:59] It's a resolution piece that they want for us to sign off on.
[5:13:05] That was not in one of my.
[5:13:08] It wasn't.
[5:13:11] That's all in it. I think that's it.
[5:13:23] Let me send that to you and maybe we can put that back on because this is a resolution document
[5:13:32] that came out or meeting in the rules in Orlando a couple of months ago.
[5:13:37] That's the same one.
[5:13:38] It's very summer to that.
[5:13:40] But I think they have modified it.
[5:13:45] What is this for?
[5:13:47] It's for a grant to fund Freddie basically.
[5:13:50] They don't have very little operating dollars except for what the counties are contributing.
[5:13:54] and so they don't have an executive director. Currently there's she was designed I guess
[5:14:04] and now she's a consultant and just to handling the Florida broadband stuff. Finishing
[5:14:08] that up so you know they're pretty group is looking for a way to find funding sources to
[5:14:15] continue on and the regional planning board of South West Florida.
[5:14:21] No, it's self-west.
[5:14:23] Oh, self-west.
[5:14:24] We can.
[5:14:25] It is writing the grant to them.
[5:14:27] They're actually sick.
[5:14:28] Well, maybe this is two things.
[5:14:30] I think they're two different things.
[5:14:31] This may be two different things,
[5:14:32] because this is a resolution that come out,
[5:14:35] because of the grant process,
[5:14:37] says that you have to use,
[5:14:40] you cannot get the money in two,
[5:14:42] you use money,
[5:14:43] and we wanted to change the process
[5:14:45] so that we could get the grant
[5:14:46] so that we could hire the person.
[5:14:48] So the EO said you could not.
[5:14:51] The EO gives Freddie money as well.
[5:14:53] This is an addition to that.
[5:14:55] And what that discussion was about is that...
[5:15:00] Genie had told the board was, it's always paying reimbursing. You don't have money up front and solicitation on money front. You can't pay the person. So if you can't pay the person, you have nothing to reimburse. Does it not have a cap? Well, a little cash. So that was kind of, they're in a financial financial impact on us. They just want to write a letter. Right. The letter for the grant is all we're on what I'm asking is just that the board write a letter to Freddie and support of the grant application that goes to DEO. That's all it is.
[5:15:30] We're all fine with that. Yeah, there's right because they stayed how much I asked before about it
[5:15:35] Not in the letter. No, I could find out for you how much I think it's 145. That's a tire and 45
[5:15:44] This one is allocated already. It's just the process
[5:15:46] They're asking for the money, but which the other process on this resolution is to change how it's the green underbody
[5:15:54] Right now you have to spend your own dollars and get a reimbursement process and reimbursement process is being held up
[5:16:00] anywhere between one quarter to two quarters. So it's not really conducive of what we
[5:16:07] are trying to do. So they wanted to change it around so that you would get the money
[5:16:12] and then report it back on a quarterly basis how are you used the money. So I just
[5:16:17] think that wasn't the resolution to hear. Thank you. Okay, so we'll have. You're okay with
[5:16:22] more, couple
[5:16:31] of real quick updates. I did talk to Ed Mayer early last week about the status
[5:16:37] of Okotini, and so I'm going to try as I hear, make sure that I report to the board
[5:16:42] what's going on. And just three pieces of information they have done a tree survey, and
[5:16:49] I've decided what they're going to do as far as retaining trees. They have consulted with
[5:16:55] affluent, affluent consultants to get a different ideas and thoughts on technology for
[5:17:02] handling the waste other than what they're currently hearing and they have hired a design
[5:17:10] architect to design the what they call the downtown area of the developer. So that's the status
[5:17:20] of where they're at. The county has one piece that we're looking at and that has to do with
[5:17:27] the hog island portion and as you may recall the EP in their agreement with us says that
[5:17:33] they have revenue reversions that they would like to have and when we dealt with this before with
[5:17:38] Randall Henderson, there's some discussion about what those dollars might be. So, in looking at that
[5:17:47] in handling it, we may want to look at, do we want to, do we want to, do Reven
[5:17:52] and Sharon, or should we request it as outright own the hog line on piece of
[5:17:57] opportunity? And see what DEP thinks, you know, it would cost to basically pay them
[5:18:03] for that property and then own it outright.
[5:18:08] And then that would be done and over with, they would have their revenue, they wouldn't be
[5:18:12] wondering what's the guarantee, you know, on the revenue, because, you know, none of us have
[5:18:16] crystal ball to save what this development is going to literally generate over what percentage
[5:18:22] of this idea. Just the hog island piece which is the back piece from the boat ramps.
[5:18:26] That's the percentage of the property.
[5:18:28] You know, it's about 50% percent.
[5:18:34] That's kind of what they own if they own it.
[5:18:36] We've versioned it. Yes.
[5:18:39] We've rearing this.
[5:18:41] When we first talked about that, there was a issue with the way they would want to sell the
[5:18:47] for a 50, let's start at 99 and they kind of the 50 year period.
[5:18:51] They want a 50% of the sale of each law.
[5:18:56] That's where they started.
[5:18:57] That's what within negotiations was going back and forth
[5:18:59] and it's all the project was ended.
[5:19:02] So assuming this is where this came from,
[5:19:05] we're going back to this thing about,
[5:19:06] we gave it to them with no regulations,
[5:19:09] we got it back with regulations, you know, so I guess.
[5:19:12] Right, so that's where we're at.
[5:19:13] And so we're trying to resolve it once and for all,
[5:19:15] trying to look at this long term in future as sick for the county and you know just
[5:19:21] we're we're thinking as we might like to approach the agency with their ideas about
[5:19:26] that arm and bring those ideas back to the board.
[5:19:31] Okay we do a property swap, parts of property swap with Scott Dyer.
[5:19:38] We're under lease with Scott Dyer.
[5:19:41] Pretty sure I don't think he owns Scott Dyer.
[5:19:45] I think that is self-alarm management, at least, yes, that right, so no, yes, that's all.
[5:19:54] So are you suggesting that we either share the revenue or buy the property?
[5:20:00] Well, they're going to suggest sharing the revenue and we don't know what that's going to be yet.
[5:20:04] We know DP.
[5:20:06] We know from a agreement they have with someone in self-order that it was 50% of the revenues.
[5:20:12] But we, what we don't know is, we don't have a revenue that we can.
[5:20:18] Mr. Mises would get a dollar a year.
[5:20:20] It'll be $56.
[5:20:21] Will I?
[5:20:22] It's sort of approaching this another way.
[5:20:27] The, the back end loading of our revenue under the proposal by Guy Harvey
[5:20:32] is not going to be real enticing to the state unless they have a,
[5:20:38] a new, an opportunity based on the guy Harvey,
[5:20:41] coming to this facility. So we have a real problem of what are they going to demand in
[5:20:48] light of this revenue stream? Are they even going to accept that? And we're going to hit
[5:20:56] this if Guy Harvey, for example, at the end of the diligence decides that this is not economical
[5:21:02] for them, which is a possibility. Then we're back to either us developing it or finding someone else
[5:21:07] We're going to have the same issue all over again.
[5:21:10] So the thought was perhaps this is the time,
[5:21:13] while there could be some honeymoon between Guy Harvey
[5:21:16] and the state to actually approach the state and say,
[5:21:19] all right, we want to buy out, get in a prison,
[5:21:23] buy out the value of their reversionary interest,
[5:21:26] so that we can cut our deal with Guy Harvey,
[5:21:29] or another son of Guy Harvey or who'd never,
[5:21:32] if Guy Harvey decides they don't want to do it.
[5:21:34] But you're a free player to then develop the way you want it. That was the thought.
[5:21:41] Good thought.
[5:21:46] And we even looked at some dollars.
[5:21:48] Where they come from?
[5:21:49] And do you even have it?
[5:21:50] By any stretch of your imagination.
[5:21:52] What do you think?
[5:21:53] I mean, is there been an appraisal recently done on that.
[5:21:55] Good evening.
[5:21:56] Let's say for us.
[5:21:57] No, and that would be right.
[5:21:59] That what one of the things that we would want to do is get an appraisal on it.
[5:22:02] So we know what its value is.
[5:22:04] I think that's a good approach.
[5:22:07] because you know they're beefies, it's not a very equitable part or sometimes.
[5:22:14] But this time they're going to be since we're driving the first freeing the internet.
[5:22:18] That's fine.
[5:22:20] So I think that's a good approach.
[5:22:24] At least have an option.
[5:22:26] Because it might be harder to sell them on a weary limited rip.
[5:22:33] At least, look at this, what was our fault?
[5:22:35] Can we be looking to have a watch?
[5:22:37] That was one voice of us.
[5:22:39] Permit?
[5:22:39] You can look at several options, you know, whichever one seems to have.
[5:22:42] I don't know.
[5:22:43] We're going to read you the other one.
[5:22:45] Permit?
[5:22:46] Well, I can't read you.
[5:22:49] I just, you know, like, send it in.
[5:22:52] How much you made to send it in?
[5:22:54] What?
[5:22:54] I think I shared that some months, maybe, year ago, about...
[5:23:03] the front and then we have basically for three years point out more and more years with it in your lives.
[5:23:09] And we could not come to me today, we would just be involved.
[5:23:16] Well, I mean, we were willing to buy out from it.
[5:23:19] It's just, it has got a bizarre shirt.
[5:23:22] I mean, it's a way I look at it right now. They're getting nothing.
[5:23:25] Well, nor was it saying getting anything.
[5:23:26] No, that's what I mean, they're getting nothing.
[5:23:29] So, and I know Guy Harvey has a lot of pull with individuals within Dallahassee.
[5:23:33] I mean he's got his own license plate.
[5:23:36] That didn't escape us when we're thinking about whether it's time to approach the state.
[5:23:41] Yeah, I think.
[5:23:42] That's a good part of the time.
[5:23:43] If I can't do two.
[5:23:44] We're going to do whatever we want.
[5:23:47] Nice approach.
[5:23:50] Who's clambered?
[5:23:51] Okay.
[5:23:52] Since I own it.
[5:23:54] Excuse me.
[5:23:54] Have a nice day.
[5:23:59] Last week, I'll be in line.
[5:24:01] I had an opportunity to sit down with Don Fox.
[5:24:03] and we met with him for nearly two hours.
[5:24:08] And this was all on lock seven.
[5:24:09] And what can we do there?
[5:24:11] And what are some of the ideas and some of the access
[5:24:14] to grants that the state has fishing game, basically?
[5:24:20] I know there's FWC is the only way that I can remember it.
[5:24:23] But so we're looking at that in more detail.
[5:24:27] I think there's some really good ideas and some things
[5:24:29] we could do there to develop that further.
[5:24:32] And so, just want to let you know that we're going to continue down that path and pursue developing that part.
[5:24:38] Commissioners, that's under police with the corps.
[5:24:41] Yes.
[5:24:43] That was what I measured.
[5:24:44] We know that.
[5:24:44] And we're working with the corps about lighting, by the way.
[5:24:48] Donnie's already been contact with them and gotten some responses back about what they would require.
[5:24:53] In terms of the electrical from, you know, the bridge down at the boat ramp.
[5:24:59] discussions about additional boat ramps down in that area as well, that would even
[5:25:05] maybe accommodate air boaters.
[5:25:07] That Don has definitely a different opinion about air-boding than what you heard and I
[5:25:12] thought that was really, I was really, I was really, I was surprised actually at his approach,
[5:25:15] but it was different.
[5:25:16] So my idea is about non-motorized launch for canoes and kayaks and creating a trail right
[5:25:22] off of the property there, a grant that he could help us with that would clean up the shoreline.
[5:25:30] And so all that more rush and the grass that's there would be get rid of that and you have your beach back.
[5:25:35] So it would be more aesthetically pleasing to have some water there.
[5:25:38] So there's a lot of really, those are just some overviews, but some really good ideas on what we could do there.
[5:25:45] And so I decided that you know we'll be looking at that as well.
[5:25:49] who met with Gene Schreiner last week, as well.
[5:25:54] He's provided a project updates to Edison.
[5:25:56] He'll begin to do that on a monthly basis to keep us aware
[5:26:01] of what projects they're working on.
[5:26:05] And just a couple of ones that have, I know that a couple of you
[5:26:08] asked me about, lots of them bypass.
[5:26:11] He is anticipating their finalizing the construction plans
[5:26:15] at the end of September, they'll be out to bid, and until October 19th, we should award
[5:26:22] about the 22nd of October and begin to construction after that contract. So awarded.
[5:26:28] The River Lake of States area, we're familiar with all the culverts and they did some surveying
[5:26:34] in there. That project is beginning to negotiate with the engineering firm to do the design.
[5:26:40] So Gene's role in that is to be the liaison between us and another engineering firm.
[5:26:48] So if you'll be doing that, and once that negotiation is confirmed, we'll come to the board for an award on who's going to do the engineering, the design of that River Lake of States, which should be Lake September.
[5:27:01] He's finishing up the sidewalk.
[5:27:03] We'll do the same process on the sidewalks and negotiate with an engineering firm to do the design for the sidewalk on Baswood,
[5:27:09] rates of timber. Oak Park, as you know, is under construction anticipated that they should be
[5:27:17] substantially complete back to over 14th. I know if you've watched now, of course, we've
[5:27:23] gotten quite a bit of rain in that area, so I know that's impacted them, but they've brought three
[5:27:26] crews on site to help complete that project quickly. The softball field parking lot is, again,
[5:27:37] And one of those will have to negotiate, by the end of this month, he'll have to negotiate
[5:27:40] with a firm to do the design of that project, as I'll have to go the site plan in order
[5:27:44] to do the page.
[5:27:47] So you should be seeing awards to other engineers for these projects, I told them you've
[5:27:51] got five to pick from, so just go through your lists and start working on negotiating like
[5:27:55] them.
[5:27:56] But I'm not surprised.
[5:27:57] So that's the status of those projects that he's dealing with that we've asked
[5:28:01] to be on his regular engineering consulting unit, that's for us.
[5:28:07] And that is it.
[5:28:09] That's all I have.
[5:28:10] Could you suggest a gene while they have an
[5:28:12] design that bypass if they have a reason to tear down those old bathrooms?
[5:28:16] Oh, update on the old bathrooms.
[5:28:19] The old bathrooms in that section.
[5:28:20] I meant to mention to you is DOT property.
[5:28:22] Right.
[5:28:23] Lee is in the process of discussing that with DOT for them to tear down their bathrooms.
[5:28:27] So, that's part of them, and in addition to asking them from a beautification grant for the entrance from DOT.
[5:28:35] So, that project is an under way.
[5:28:37] While it is sitting here, Lee is e-mails and let me know that the met-wetmanly mitigation project is still underway.
[5:28:45] He has been in touch with South Florida.
[5:28:48] They intend to get us a letter next week about what they are very soon.
[5:28:52] I'm hoping next week I shouldn't put words in their mouth about what they think we need to do.
[5:28:57] to get rid of the conservation easements, so that project is continued to move along as well.
[5:29:04] And Margaret, can I?
[5:29:06] Yeah.
[5:29:08] The rumor mail was brought to my attention.
[5:29:11] Is there a lawsuit that you're aware of between Oak Lake and States and Oak Lake Billas?
[5:29:16] Close to the mic.
[5:29:17] I'm sorry.
[5:29:18] Is there the, you know what I think about that?
[5:29:20] I heard that there was the homeowner's association.
[5:29:23] Oh, during States.
[5:29:24] I'm sorry.
[5:29:25] Yes, sir. There would be the logical reason. Well, that's that was my that was my question
[5:29:30] They've heard me thing because it was a lot of speculation that they filled in the drains and blocked off their drainage to the south
[5:29:37] You know, and I was just curious if you've heard anything of that
[5:29:41] Anything we have a date yet on the ribbon cutting for the
[5:29:45] Do it in jungle. No, not yet
[5:29:48] What I would suggest you on wooden jungle as a ribbon cutting would be something on a weekend where you could get all of your kids
[5:29:54] there, you know, something similar to when you did the design day, you know, it's just doing
[5:29:59] it open.
[5:30:00] We're opening day, and maybe... Because there will be most likely open before that, no one can chance to play on it but it might be something you want to do a little bit different, because you know, the kids are the whole reason we did it, and we asked to have a bunch of kids there.
[5:30:15] So I haven't asked, I'll be specifically on a date yet, I know, substantial completion is like this week. I want to say like Friday, but you know, and should be open soon.
[5:30:27] But if you haven't been out, you encourage me out there now, it's really super nice job.
[5:30:33] Really nice, you're so excited about the job that makes it the project that much better.
[5:30:39] When the people doing it are really stoves, it comes out better.
[5:30:43] It's a nice, really nice, it looks neat.
[5:30:45] Grandkids are going, not so over it.
[5:30:48] There are a couple of things.
[5:30:52] You probably refresh my memory on the storage tank issue over the fuel tank.
[5:30:56] fuel storage tanks over the road department fuel storage tanks study has been talking with the contractor on that project
[5:31:03] They've been on site. They've done some review. They looked at the schedule of values and Donnie's recommendation is to
[5:31:11] Reject the bid and go completely out back out based on everything that they've walked through because there's some things that weren't missed
[5:31:17] There's some that weren't listed and he just feels like it would be better a better project overall if we we've been a whole thing
[5:31:28] Yeah, I mean, not that they haven't worked together and he's had no issues out of you know close construction at all.
[5:31:36] And dealing with it, but there's things that it would be some additions to what's already there.
[5:31:42] Because things just, it was nicely as I can say, the RFP wasn't as complete as it should have been.
[5:31:48] I'm going to ask you a question like why couldn't they take the additional items
[5:31:52] come up with a cost factor in housing, close construction, if they're wanting to do it
[5:31:57] before we go up to rebuild.
[5:32:00] It just flies in the face of when you put a bit out, this is something that's
[5:32:03] our fault evidently, if we didn't include any stuff, and then to not award a
[5:32:08] bit just because we didn't put everything in there that was required.
[5:32:12] I'm sorry, maybe this is made, I have an issue with that.
[5:32:15] You know, I think if there's additional things and need to be done, you ask Mr. Close closed construction say,
[5:32:22] Can you do this for this amount of costs?
[5:32:25] Well, certainly would be the board's priority.
[5:32:27] Obviously, as you're aware, that's a decision that will rest here.
[5:32:30] But our recommendation will be different in you.
[5:32:33] This board can decide how you want to handle it.
[5:32:35] You're going to bring it back, right?
[5:32:36] It will become back.
[5:32:37] So, second thing is that, I understand there's a light out and this kind of across my
[5:32:43] Texas at lunchtime at the Highway 70 West and South West was 48th Avenue, is that
[5:32:49] hours?
[5:32:51] An FPL light?
[5:32:52] Yes.
[5:32:53] Yes.
[5:32:53] Yes, I guess so from the interview.
[5:32:54] Yes, not the only one that's out 67.2, so I thought last night.
[5:32:59] All right, so the last thing, this is one of the robbing I had an interesting conversation
[5:33:04] on.
[5:33:06] I started with it about it, it was time for us to look at her evaluation and she's
[5:33:13] well there is obviously the issue of contract and I read the contract and basically
[5:33:17] the contract is that the party gets noticed to the other end of the intent or to renew
[5:33:24] it says renewed on a one-year basis, so that renewal should be given at least 90 days prior to the
[5:33:31] the initial term, which we are within the 90 days now.
[5:33:34] So I give her an option as to, well, you're renewed already,
[5:33:38] or if you want to renegotiate.
[5:33:40] So she was thinking, actually, shaking her hand.
[5:33:42] So I guess we've renewed her for another year.
[5:33:45] So now we can go back to the evaluation process.
[5:33:50] So her contract date is November 10.
[5:33:54] So I would think if we stay in concert with what we normally
[5:33:57] do with employees, we should give her a evaluation
[5:33:59] by November 10th that's her data for employment.
[5:34:04] So we need the copy to give it out to you folks, and then we go through that process.
[5:34:13] Which was the form that Mr. Sherby came up with?
[5:34:16] Yep.
[5:34:17] And other than I haven't found anything between Oak Lake Billas and the Oak Lake Association.
[5:34:27] The part of the responsibility to participate in the part of the regional transportation planning
[5:34:33] organization is we have a commissioner, maybe, but we also made an alternate.
[5:34:39] We have that.
[5:34:40] So you are at the model team?
[5:34:42] Yes, I'm your alternate.
[5:34:44] Yes, I'm your alternate.
[5:34:44] I'll take the world and that.
[5:34:46] But you're not getting, you're not getting out of going to the models.
[5:34:53] I have a class at nine, so why don't you just beam it over to me?
[5:35:02] The other thing is that within a next couple of months, I'll take a couple of months.
[5:35:10] We will probably need to encourage some local volunteers to participate in the citizens advisory committee
[5:35:18] forward that organization and they would like to have at least two from each county and we
[5:35:24] got a nice long letter about transportation, which I thought, you know, we should certainly
[5:35:32] give that individual opportunity to participate on a more formal basis if you'd like to,
[5:35:37] but here we'll have to get the application still out in all that kind of stuff, but we will need
[5:35:41] to have at least two people there, some interest in doing that.
[5:35:44] So we probably should add that to our advertising list of board vacancies kind of thing and see if we can not I'm not looking at you because I want you to do it, but you know what I'm talking about so they'll probably get with Tracy on adding that into it.
[5:36:01] Okay.
[5:36:03] I have to have one question.
[5:36:05] I have to write a new one about the art.
[5:36:09] I take tears of the 41.
[5:36:15] Oh, oh, oh, I'm southeast. No, I have not heard anything more since we sent it out.
[5:36:22] Do they tell you the preliminary was around about there?
[5:36:27] Yes.
[5:36:28] So we basically said, we want to leave you alive.
[5:36:32] The blinking light there by the old driver's license.
[5:36:39] The preliminary came back said around about and that's what we said that's what we said
[5:36:51] Sounds like a lot of fun.
[5:36:53] So anyway, I think I forget where it lies now when back to GMT.
[5:36:58] And that was horse speed boost.
[5:37:01] Or yeah, actually roundabouts are very effective traffic movers.
[5:37:05] Especially on high trucks that come down through there.
[5:37:07] Some of my trucks will be really happy with that.
[5:37:10] Go through them all down in Europe.
[5:37:12] Good point.
[5:37:12] You got smaller, some of them.
[5:37:13] Yes, smaller.
[5:37:14] Yep.
[5:37:15] Roundabouts.
[5:37:16] No.
[5:37:17] No, they don't.
[5:37:17] Gross minute.
[5:37:19] I'll check on that one.
[5:37:20] We'll make sure I get roundabouts.
[5:37:21] I'm sorry.
[5:37:23] Europe.
[5:37:23] Europe.
[5:37:24] No, I'm just saying that's very efficient moving.
[5:37:27] you don't have stopping.
[5:37:30] Of course, we're all in all that.
[5:37:34] Court, did you want to say anything?
[5:37:36] You done?
[5:37:36] So, no problem.
[5:37:38] I feel...
[5:37:39] No formula.
[5:37:41] No formula.