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[1:20] >> Okay. We're gonna start
[1:22] fire. Rescue. And that is on
[1:27] Page one. 97.
[1:27] >> Commissioners, before you
[1:30] flip all the way to one 97,
[1:31] you notice a new page on your
[1:35] desk. There's page 15 16. The
[1:39] change there is on Page 16,
[1:43] Fire Rescue fund when 18.
[1:47] There was air on the amended
[1:47] budget for 25. 26. So that has
[1:50] been corrected to show I
[1:50] presented budget as is right
[1:55] now is a 7% increase. As
[1:55] opposed to 14%. That was on
[2:00] the last page. That replaces
[2:12] the page. Well, you know how
[2:13] to start your presentation
[2:20] off. I would like to shout out
[2:25] to our budget Department for.
[2:26] Very responsive budget season.
[2:27] It's been absolutely wonderful
[2:30] working with them season. Any
[2:31] time we brought something to
[2:31] them, they've not only been
[2:35] receptive it. Quick to make
[2:36] necessary corrections or
[2:51] explain to me why I was wrong.
[2:52] Was that that budget reserves
[2:55] that thing that up.
[2:56] >> Called you with the way
[2:57] back from Orlando. Now it was
[2:58] about the amended budget
[3:02] number. Answering your
[3:10] question for yes, okay. We're
[3:12] page one. 97 now.
[3:17] >> Yes, sir. So this is for
[3:19] fire rescue has your where
[3:20] fire rescue split into 2
[3:21] separate funds, one for fire,
[3:22] one for ems. That's based on
[3:23] the assessments that are
[3:27] collected for each. Addition
[3:29] to those funds. We also
[3:29] receive revenue its billing
[3:38] and fire inspection services.
[3:39] Also did just recently changed
[3:43] our billing ordinance to
[3:44] change our fees to to update
[3:52] those to. So fire rescue fire
[3:57] services. You see some capital
[3:59] requests to hear fire towers
[4:00] is funds that we have in this
[4:03] current fiscal year that we're
[4:05] working with cip right now.
[4:10] There's nearing involved in.
[4:10] Trying to get some of that
[4:11] done has proved to be a little
[4:14] bit more time consuming than
[4:16] anticipated and not not that
[4:16] I'm not at them because
[4:22] they're doing it for free. But
[4:22] kind trying to save money
[4:23] there. And Justin Nelson and
[4:25] his crew have been absolutely
[4:27] wonderful to work with. We've
[4:29] say a substantial amount of
[4:30] money on the proposed
[4:33] renovations to the fire
[4:34] training grounds. So I'm
[4:36] excited about that, but that
[4:38] that is a rollover of those of
[4:40] that budgeted money. So that's
[4:41] capital expense there. What
[4:43] are you doing with the fire
[4:44] It's not the tower itself. We
[4:45] we've completed those
[4:48] renovations. We added lights.
[4:49] >> And into your next year
[4:50] lighting that was not put into
[4:51] the tower and then we built a
[4:56] pavilion. And next step we're
[4:57] going to expand the fire
[4:58] training grounds behind the
[5:00] pavilion to include some fire
[5:01] training props, actual live
[5:03] fire, training, props, and
[5:04] then also put restroom in the
[5:06] pavilion.
[5:09] >> provision was for work.
[5:09] It's it's a shade structure.
[5:15] The Yes, sir.
[5:16] >> The idea there's also the
[5:17] sheriff's office helped us
[5:20] with civilian a lot. And the
[5:21] idea there's also for for us
[5:22] to be able to use that as a
[5:24] facility there for our staff
[5:27] to, you know, we've had
[5:28] quarterly family nights and
[5:29] stuff like that are are also
[5:35] held in that The station for
[5:36] improvements. Again, that's a
[5:37] re budget from this current
[5:38] year. If you recall last year
[5:40] that was funded and we decide
[5:42] to leave that in there as a
[5:44] place holder more more or to
[5:46] go towards the next fire
[5:47] station. So instead of making
[5:50] improvements at station 4 at
[5:51] the commission's direction,
[5:53] we're going to just roll that
[5:54] funds into the construction of
[5:55] the new fire station. Once we
[5:57] once that starts. So again,
[5:57] this is just a re budget from
[6:00] the current fiscal year.
[6:01] >> So your definition, so just
[6:03] for the public's Opportunity
[6:07] here. Your definition re
[6:09] budget is just your role and
[6:11] your your budget it last year.
[6:12] You're just rolled it over to
[6:14] this year. So that's not an
[6:15] increase its funds that we
[6:15] have not expanded. Just
[6:16] reallocating to this current.
[6:21] But right.
[6:22] >> So the next to the brush
[6:24] truck and the fire engine are
[6:27] It's a new concept that we're
[6:29] trying this year to reduce not
[6:32] normally, especially the fire
[6:32] engine would financed purchase
[6:33] and we would pay loans
[6:36] interest rate on that. The
[6:37] last couple years the
[6:38] commission has been gracious
[6:39] enough for multiple
[6:40] departments to pay off those
[6:41] loans at a landfill trust fund
[6:44] to save on the interest. So
[6:46] mistress Eriksen. I thought
[6:47] that this MAY be a good
[6:50] opportunity to try. Let's just
[6:50] purchase a out of the
[6:52] Landfill. Trust Fund and Fire
[6:54] Rescue will essentially use
[6:55] that as a 0 interest loan and
[6:58] pay that back over the next
[7:00] mostly some you have a years.
[7:01] We we appropriated for that 7
[7:07] or 10. 10 years. You know. It.
[7:08] We would just replace those
[7:09] funds back into the landfill.
[7:10] Trust fund. It is 0, 0%,
[7:13] interest loan.
[7:14] >> You pay those funds out of
[7:19] as sounds. Or just certainly
[7:21] fire or not this We're doing
[7:22] the same thing for rescue in
[7:24] the msi. But this would come
[7:25] strictly out of 5 risk for
[7:29] fire funding. Yes, sir. But
[7:30] the pro struck the brush truck
[7:32] is just is it.
[7:35] >> And outright purchase. The
[7:36] same way. But I am in the
[7:38] process of working with the
[7:39] grants department and we feel
[7:40] extremely favorable to get
[7:41] over half of that covered with
[7:44] a with a federal grant.
[7:45] >> And so the reason for the
[7:49] The for the Brush Truck is
[7:50] >> You don't have one. Our
[7:50] units, a replacement. Yes,
[8:00] there's repose. 2002. So the
[8:01] that we have satisfied our
[8:03] debt service obligation again,
[8:03] that the landfill trust fund
[8:06] in this current budget year.
[8:08] And you can see the change in
[8:10] our rates are proposed rates
[8:11] there for fire rescue. I have
[8:12] the clicker here. Winter
[8:14] weather wasn't changing it.
[8:15] All right. So any questions on
[8:20] the fireside? So on emergency
[8:20] ems Idamor to medical
[8:24] services? You can see some
[8:25] recap a rescue, our cap
[8:26] request there. We haven't
[8:27] rescue. The same concept as
[8:32] the fire engine. That's
[8:35] 575,000. I do believe that.
[8:37] That will be able to reduce
[8:39] that. But that is the market
[8:39] price. And it's just based on
[8:41] what I'm able to negotiate
[8:43] with the vendors when that
[8:44] time comes. But the same
[8:45] concept there would be a
[8:46] landfill, trust loan and we
[8:47] would pay that back over 10
[8:52] years. The other devices you
[8:53] see there are devices that
[8:55] would go on that rescue. So
[8:56] there's there are capital
[9:00] expenses to put the stretcher
[9:03] itself as $25,000 expense and
[9:04] then the system that that
[9:05] stretcher hooks into as
[9:09] another $50,000 expense. And
[9:10] then the life pack is the
[9:11] heart monitor. The stared
[9:12] chair is just a device. We
[9:14] used to get people in and out
[9:17] of. We use honestly using more
[9:17] for single why mobile homes
[9:18] that we do stairs. We don't
[9:19] have a lot of high rise
[9:22] buildings, but it's a very
[9:23] narrow wheelchair. Basically
[9:26] that can get down those single
[9:27] wide hallways. And then the
[9:30] Lucas devices did cpr machine.
[9:32] That does the compression
[9:34] chest compressions. And it's
[9:35] just and saves us a lot of a
[9:37] lot of wear and tear on our
[9:37] employees actually by having
[9:39] that machine to do cpr. You
[9:40] know, when you're coming from
[9:45] a if anybody's ever done cpr,
[9:46] when you're coming from the
[9:47] Prairie. 35 minute ride doing
[9:48] cpr for 30 minutes with 2
[9:51] people is a. That's a that's a
[9:53] long ride. Done it a few
[9:55] times.
[9:55] >> But let's go back to well,
[9:56] you don't have to go back to
[9:58] this post on fire ems on
[10:05] personnel. You have a 14%
[10:07] increase just county. Give us
[10:08] some idea why so, yes, sir, so
[10:11] that the increase in personnel
[10:12] is.
[10:14] >> somewhat in part just to to
[10:15] the increase personal
[10:16] expenses, the budgeted raises.
[10:17] And then we do have 6 new
[10:18] positions that will be split
[10:19] between fire and ems.
[10:22] >> Those new positions, I will
[10:23] be the first we've hired in
[10:30] quite some time. We did have
[10:31] 16 in our five-year plan and
[10:32] we have not heard any of
[10:34] those. So this will be the
[10:37] conclusion of our five-year
[10:39] next year. So we'll be able
[10:41] instead of 16 will be do. It
[10:43] was 6 and the large part is,
[10:44] you know, we've had an
[10:46] increase in call volume. We've
[10:48] taken over the city Fire
[10:50] department, but there's been a
[10:52] lot of services that we did
[10:52] not offer it in the past that
[10:56] we are offering now. Our
[10:57] employees work. They're
[10:58] scheduled to work. A 56 hour
[11:01] work week. And right now I'm
[11:04] running over time every day.
[11:05] My pleasure. Averaging a 62.
[11:07] Our work week with the amount
[11:07] of overtime that they're
[11:10] picking up. So this will help
[11:14] reduce that overtime burden
[11:16] and then it is also a
[11:16] preparation for the future. We
[11:17] do have a station prepared to
[11:19] be built fan fire department
[11:21] can't just hire an entire
[11:23] station when the station opens
[11:24] in these to gradual steps
[11:26] because I can't you know, it
[11:30] would take 15 people to a
[11:32] minimum to open a new station
[11:33] and half of those people are
[11:34] officers. So I can't just go
[11:37] out and hire supervisors in
[11:38] the prior service. So Justin,
[11:42] you're saying that.
[11:43] >> If you are the 6 people
[11:44] now, they will be 6 of the 15
[11:44] for the new fire station. Are
[11:50] you going to still? At our
[11:52] intent is is to move some of
[11:53] our current trucks that out.
[11:54] But I'm not able to staff
[11:55] right now like have a second
[11:58] rescue station, too.
[11:59] >> The 6 people will help
[12:00] staff that are more regular
[12:02] basis right now. There's all
[12:04] most of the time. It's not
[12:06] staffed. And then I have the 2
[12:07] fire engines at station one
[12:08] right now from when we assume
[12:10] the services that the city. So
[12:11] our intent would be to move
[12:12] one of those fires engines to
[12:16] the new station and the second
[12:17] rescue. So it will be the bulk
[12:18] of them. But I I'm not going
[12:19] to tell you that I won't need
[12:20] more people when that station
[12:21] comes around. But this will be
[12:24] people. Yes, sir.
[12:26] >> And how far off in the
[12:26] future and should already know
[12:29] this? And I do how far off in
[12:30] the future. We're looking at
[12:32] that new station being up and
[12:34] running. Is that 2 years from
[12:40] now referred to just moment.
[12:42] So commissioner, what once we
[12:43] have the land acquisition, I
[12:46] would say we're depending on
[12:47] what design we we can come up
[12:48] with that. We can find what
[12:51] we're looking at pre designed
[12:52] station. So we don't have to
[12:54] have that one year. Plus and
[12:56] design. We probably will take
[12:58] about a year or a little less
[13:00] than a year for permitting
[13:00] with storm water and South
[13:03] Florida water management. So
[13:06] the goal is to be occupied
[13:07] within the next 3 years. And
[13:09] it's all gonna depend on the
[13:09] sec funding. You know, we're
[13:11] gonna try to roll some grant
[13:13] money forward from the design
[13:14] to use the minimal amount of
[13:15] of the money that was
[13:22] allocated through for the
[13:23] design. So our goal is if we
[13:25] can get this thing down would
[13:27] be within the next 3 years to
[13:29] the best case scenario is 3
[13:30] years. Yes, sir, that that
[13:31] would be that would be where I
[13:32] would say we would be within
[13:32] the next 3 years will have
[13:34] that building occupied. I
[13:36] would like to see it sooner.
[13:38] But we're still in the
[13:40] acquisition process. So we're
[13:40] hoping to have that done and
[13:42] completed here pretty soon.
[13:47] Chair. Justin District, a
[13:50] couple questions. One.
[13:52] >> What are the additional
[13:52] services that we're offering
[13:55] that we didn't know before.
[13:57] >> It's mostly in our risk
[14:00] reduction agency where we do
[14:01] community cpr. We're doing far
[14:02] more inspections of commercial
[14:05] buildings than we've ever
[14:07] done. And including in the
[14:08] city. When we tweak when we
[14:09] took over the fire department,
[14:10] we took over the commercial
[14:11] inspections within the city
[14:14] limits. So and then, you know,
[14:17] we partner with the school. We
[14:17] teach the teachers cpr and we
[14:23] first date, we go out to the
[14:25] H.O.A. Ys and 55 plus
[14:26] communities and teach them how
[14:26] to use their 80's and teach
[14:30] them how to do cpr. And then
[14:32] every every year we're going
[14:33] to schools that those type of
[14:34] of services are the ones that
[14:35] I was referring to.
[14:36] Commissioner.
[14:40] >> All right. Secondly, when
[14:41] you get the new brush truck,
[14:42] are you going to surplus the
[14:45] old one? Yes, All right. In
[14:46] because you're gonna surplus.
[14:48] The old one. Were you be able
[14:51] to take some tools? Off of it
[14:55] and put it on new brush truck
[14:55] or the years because it's a
[14:58] 2002. Some of the things that
[15:05] you have to outfit. List here,
[15:06] MISTER Chair and wife Packery
[15:08] those things Hl. I don't know
[15:09] what.
[15:09] >> Yes, sir. So those those
[15:13] specific items go on an
[15:14] ambulance we will move some
[15:15] things over. The ama says is a
[15:17] little bit different we will
[15:20] be one, but it's all the
[15:21] equipment on it is outdated.
[15:24] The brush truck specifically
[15:25] doesn't have a lot of
[15:26] equipment on carries water and
[15:30] pop. But we do. We do take off
[15:31] anything that before it goes
[15:31] option we take off anything
[15:32] that we could think we can
[15:36] use. Yes or
[15:41] >> Justin with the hiring of
[15:42] the 6 new employees this and
[15:45] cutting back on overtime. MISS
[15:47] That about a Washington way
[15:49] over. It is not a wash. It is
[15:50] a reduction in the cost to the
[15:52] to the department MISS Lisa
[15:53] work. Those numbers up for us
[15:56] and we did see a reduction.
[15:57] >> And the total cost is not
[15:58] even close to 50%. It's it's
[16:00] not a wash on that. But it is
[16:05] it is a. I want get. The one
[16:06] of the one of the reasons is
[16:08] the burden on our employee
[16:12] 6.62 hours a week on average
[16:13] for employees. Some of them
[16:14] working substantially more
[16:17] than that you know it. Comes
[16:18] to a point you know, we start
[16:20] worrying about their their
[16:22] their burnouts and stuff like
[16:23] that or just simply losing
[16:24] them to these other
[16:25] departments around us that
[16:29] work far less hours. Are you
[16:30] still?
[16:30] >> Are you? Are you better
[16:32] retaining these guys now away?
[16:32] Just came up a little bit.
[16:34] Yes, sir. We are doing better.
[16:38] >> We used our by the end of
[16:41] this summer, I hope to be
[16:43] fully staffed. Are put an icon
[16:43] plus that one time for about 3
[16:46] weeks. I think during his
[16:49] tenure and before that, it had
[16:50] been several years prior
[16:50] before we since we had been
[16:54] fully staffed. So I wouldn't
[16:54] be up here asking for new 2
[16:55] positions. If I didn't think
[16:58] that I could feel them. So we
[17:00] we are we'll be fully staffed
[17:01] by the end of the summer. Some
[17:02] of those will be the trainee
[17:03] positions of allowed me to do
[17:04] so by the end of this year,
[17:07] those will be transitioning
[17:07] and we'll use that trainee
[17:08] position probably to fill some
[17:11] of these 6 positions as well.
[17:13] So it MAY be it MAY be a
[17:15] little bit less in the initial
[17:18] hiring face to put those
[17:19] positions on, but they will
[17:20] will be back to that hiring
[17:22] local candidates program. The
[17:23] House short of a full
[17:25] compliment. Are you right now?
[17:27] >> 2 and how much is that
[17:29] affecting that 6 hours of
[17:29] overtime for those other guys,
[17:32] if you had those 2 positions
[17:33] filled?
[17:33] >> And did you crunch those
[17:37] numbers to see if that?
[17:38] >> So right we allowed to
[17:42] people off per shift. It's
[17:42] that that gone on vacation.
[17:44] Whatever the leave, maybe.
[17:45] >> That number actually been
[17:49] the same since I got hired.
[17:54] >> well, experiences the
[17:55] usually the overtime is caused
[17:56] by, you know, someone to be in
[17:57] school. Someone falling out
[18:02] sick. This an anticipated. Pix
[18:03] examples of leave that we're
[18:05] that we're having to fill over
[18:07] time for. I don't have any
[18:10] shifts right now that have
[18:11] automatic overtime. We did. At
[18:12] one point we had so many so
[18:13] many vacancies that I just had
[18:14] a new that on a ship that was
[18:16] going to have to run over
[18:16] every day, regardless of who
[18:20] was off. So we're not at that
[18:22] point right now, but certainly
[18:24] any vacancies do contribute to
[18:24] the amount of overtime. Well,
[18:25] and if you have 6 new hires, I
[18:28] assume they're going to
[18:30] >> have a spot in a shift of
[18:32] their own. You'll still have
[18:33] people falling out sick.
[18:34] You'll still have people go
[18:35] into training. I mean, they're
[18:36] not going to be sitting on the
[18:40] shelf. I wouldn't think to be.
[18:41] That actually that actually
[18:43] kind of the concept. The Esser
[18:44] is they will be in addition to
[18:45] we will not increase minimum
[18:47] staffing with these people.
[18:48] >> And that's why I in
[18:50] reference that rescue. 22,
[18:52] it's not minimum we staff so
[18:53] we don't required to be
[18:53] staffed. It's only staff want
[18:54] to have enough people. So if
[18:56] if certain people are off,
[19:00] then we don't staff that truck
[19:01] to reduce the amount of
[19:02] overtime I would I would have
[19:04] to pay overtime every day.
[19:05] Multiple spots every day to
[19:06] keep that truck in service. So
[19:07] this will help do that. But it
[19:11] won't be. My minimum staffing
[19:11] right now is 18. It will
[19:12] remain 18. This will just be
[19:14] an extra person per shift. To
[19:18] help maintain that. And so it
[19:23] if 3 years from now that is
[19:24] their norm and what they're
[19:28] used to. Just can't Poland, 6
[19:29] out of it to stick at the new
[19:31] station at that and say my.
[19:32] >> I mean, in concept back and
[19:34] see it. But then in can he's
[19:35] going to transfer the units
[19:36] air. They'll go with their
[19:42] units. The go with the truck 3
[19:43] years now. But the unit, we
[19:44] have the units, but they're
[19:46] just move them and that we not
[19:48] don't have a different Ask 3
[19:52] years from now for. A new
[19:54] truck for that outfit. A car
[19:55] truck into ambulance. We've
[20:00] already got. Yes, sir. To be
[20:01] asking for as we work to this.
[20:02] You have replacements to
[20:02] those.
[20:06] >> As we go through it. So,
[20:09] Justin, talk a little bit the
[20:11] why. Because a lot of people
[20:14] when listening to us, are
[20:15] watching here. They don't
[20:18] really understand why
[20:20] sometimes. So we talk about
[20:21] who you're staffing. That one
[20:23] vehicle were there because you
[20:28] don't have enough staff. But
[20:31] on the same instance, we're
[20:32] running some level of overtime
[20:33] because you've got to an
[20:36] enormous amount of calls. So
[20:37] let's talk about those kind
[20:38] described the number of calls
[20:39] and what the how the increased
[20:40] over say the last 2 years,
[20:44] roughly yes or so.
[20:46] >> We actually an end 2021. We
[20:49] ran about 7500 calls. That was
[20:50] during covid. It was obviously
[20:52] a huge peak for us. It went
[20:54] from somewhere around 6800
[20:57] calls to that number. It
[20:58] dipped back down after that
[21:00] and we have climb back up. We
[21:00] are on track this year to
[21:06] around 7800 calls. Which is I
[21:08] think it's about 7, 7, or 8%
[21:08] increase.
[21:13] >> Over last year. So the call
[21:15] and I don't anticipate that to
[21:16] slow down. You know, we see
[21:17] the community building. We see
[21:18] the community growing and, you
[21:22] know, my my increased work in
[21:23] the community development
[21:24] department. I know that there
[21:25] are several other subdivisions
[21:28] coming in. And to your point,
[21:30] we know that all of those MAY
[21:31] increase our call volume and
[21:32] we work with those those
[21:33] developers as well to help try
[21:35] to fund some of these things
[21:36] up front. But the impact fees
[21:37] have changed that somewhat.
[21:39] But we do have some developer
[21:40] agreements in place already
[21:43] pre impact fee. That to help
[21:47] cover some of these costs.
[21:48] >> So if you so if you ended
[21:51] up having just go down the
[21:52] path to only had the ability
[21:54] to get 3 people out of the 6.
[21:55] What we do with those 3
[22:02] people.
[22:04] >> If I had to take 3 people,
[22:05] I I would still do the same.
[22:09] The adding to the the force
[22:10] and not the shift supervisors,
[22:14] but both of those are in
[22:15] extreme need for me. And I and
[22:17] I know everybody comes up here
[22:18] with extreme needs. You know,
[22:20] nights and weekends, I don't
[22:22] have a supervisor able to go
[22:24] to the calls as they as or
[22:25] because they're assigned to
[22:27] fire truck. So if they're on a
[22:29] call and something critical
[22:30] comes in, they're not able to
[22:32] respond to that. So 3, 8, 3,
[22:32] of these people would allow
[22:34] that person to being a truck
[22:38] by themself and respond as a
[22:41] supervisor to these major
[22:42] cause. That's what I'm getting
[22:42] to is I read this. There's 3
[22:44] people and there's 3.
[22:46] >> Lieutenant, yes, sir. And
[22:51] what what I'm trying to avoid.
[22:52] I'll quite frank you. And I
[22:56] talked today. I'm trying avoid
[22:57] building the hierarchy. That
[22:57] looks like an upside down
[23:00] triangle. Everybody
[23:01] understands that when we get
[23:04] to to have you at the top. The
[23:06] people down here below. You
[23:07] have a smaller number of
[23:10] people, so from a managerial
[23:11] standpoint, I think I
[23:14] understand where you're 3. The
[23:17] 3 lieutenants are going to
[23:20] You're using them as managers
[23:23] on each individual shifted my
[23:23] correct?
[23:23] >> Yes, sir. So they're
[23:24] actually going to take the
[23:26] place of my 3 ship captains.
[23:27] So the shift capital be on a
[23:29] truck could be a super the
[23:30] ship captain will oversee 3,
[23:32] 4, lieutenants. Each
[23:33] lieutenant overseas 3 to 4
[23:36] other people. So span of
[23:38] control is well within the the
[23:43] even now outside of. Public
[23:44] safety. It's all within. Well,
[23:45] that's what I'm getting into.
[23:46] The right is I'm trying to get
[23:48] you to talk about your span of
[23:48] control. Yes, sir. That's what
[23:49] I'm after. Right now. Span of
[23:52] control to me is is an
[23:53] essential.
[23:54] >> Component of when you look
[23:56] at the number of people you're
[23:57] hiring is if I got a one to
[23:58] one ratio and that's not a
[24:00] good span of control. Yes,
[24:01] sir. Now I don't know from
[24:03] afar. Stand when I just I know
[24:04] previous history and the
[24:05] previous history, some time
[24:08] serve you correctly that are
[24:09] span of control. At one time
[24:11] was an 8 to one ratio prayed.
[24:15] So that MAY not be applicable.
[24:18] In a fire rescue scenario.
[24:19] Yes, sir. So what's your span?
[24:20] The span of control in the
[24:23] fire rescue standpoint.
[24:23] >> 3 to 3 to 6 is standard
[24:27] throughout the industry. And I
[24:28] said where we will be at that
[24:28] 3 to 4, depending on what
[24:30] shifter station they're at and
[24:31] also keep in mind that these
[24:35] are. It's more like a crew
[24:36] leader. You know, so these
[24:39] these crews go off. It's not
[24:39] they're not sitting in an
[24:40] office where they're able
[24:43] supervise multiple people.
[24:44] They're all supervising a crew
[24:45] full crew and then the ship
[24:49] captain is supervising all of
[24:49] the crews. And then all 3 ship
[24:51] captains report back to the
[24:52] deputy chief.
[24:52] >> So you have 3 ships,
[24:54] captains. And the shift.
[24:59] Captain. Support time of the
[25:01] lieutenants for for yes a
[25:03] lieutenant as as a lieutenant,
[25:06] as for say how many people
[25:07] support 3 to 4 remaining their
[25:12] stations all right. So I we
[25:14] were going to see these charts
[25:16] appear what we just showed
[25:17] that there's a on the
[25:18] personnel services like that
[25:19] are almost with a 14%
[25:21] increase. Is that is that
[25:21] Epps? Is that correct or
[25:22] incorrect? That one is
[25:23] correct. Yes, sir. That is
[25:27] correct. Commissioner to color
[25:31] where you finish. Yeah. Just
[25:33] trying to keep I didn't know.
[25:34] What do you like? He has
[25:39] something on trying to keep
[25:53] >> anyone else. Going go to
[25:53] ship. And so what pages at
[25:56] dawn today?
[25:58] >> Just a couple pages after
[26:02] our rescue, showbiz on 205, To
[26:08] own okay, MR. Chair. So as
[26:11] that conversation done, wars,
[26:12] that's something that's going
[26:13] to be part of a Friday. Part
[26:19] of a Friday. Time I'm sorry,
[26:20] MISS. And time to give us a
[26:21] minute pace we need. You need
[26:22] to decide which way you want
[26:23] to go with it so we can give
[26:24] direction.
[26:25] >> If you want roll back with
[26:26] a different number, need to do
[26:33] that. Now. Otherwise they have
[26:34] nothing to bring back Friday
[26:35] and that should give direction
[26:35] on what you what you're
[26:37] looking to do.
[26:39] >> Well, I wasn't sure if
[26:40] Commissioner Burrows, he had
[26:41] asked the question about if
[26:42] you could only have 3 and that
[26:43] seemed like a leading
[26:44] question. So I didn't know if
[26:48] if if we just get past it or
[26:48] not?
[26:49] >> No, I'm I'm trying to
[26:53] ascertain the. Can just be
[26:54] quite frankly. I'm trying to
[26:55] ascertain the the span of
[26:58] control. And the issue boils
[27:03] down to is you know, we're
[27:04] adding quarter 6 people and
[27:05] what I I had the conversation
[27:08] with Justin earlier is that.
[27:09] Given the fact that we're at a
[27:10] point now that we don't know
[27:12] what. Everybody looks at as
[27:17] about adding people adding
[27:18] cost weather is arm or whether
[27:19] it's a special assessment they
[27:23] look at is from the standpoint
[27:23] are you doing the right things
[27:27] for the community? And when we
[27:27] take take that approach to
[27:32] say? We're expanding the
[27:35] number that were expended were
[27:36] having more coal or were on a
[27:37] We're track to have more calls
[27:40] and whether or not they have
[27:42] to transport somebody, you
[27:43] don't transport somebody.
[27:44] That's immaterial to me. That
[27:45] means have to have a somebody
[27:50] to roll with Trump. So if have
[27:51] 3 people, if you put 3 people
[27:54] out there, does that help you
[27:55] with your overtime? Obviously,
[27:58] 6 people don't help you with
[28:00] overtime because of Henri said
[28:00] that that doesn't it's not a
[28:02] wash. Do listen. 50% of the
[28:05] cost. So my point that this is
[28:09] just that. We've got to be
[28:10] very cognizant as a toll just
[28:13] in this morning that said
[28:14] potentially what we should do
[28:16] is maybe wait on these people.
[28:20] Tunnel member. And my thought
[28:22] was who is focused on? Trying
[28:24] to prepare for the future on
[28:26] the building them there. So
[28:28] you asked a question. He
[28:30] answered it a three-year time
[28:31] frame and I was going to
[28:35] continue with that. I didn't.
[28:36] You jump to the next one, I
[28:36] didn't realize we were done
[28:38] with that one. So I apologize
[28:39] to that you're standing up
[28:42] there, but I wasn't quite
[28:43] through. Can we that police
[28:45] have I'm sorry about that? We
[28:46] jumped and I didn't realize we
[28:47] were jumping. Okay, because I
[28:48] still have a couple additional
[28:50] questions. But Please
[28:51] continue.
[28:51] >> So that was the point that
[28:54] when you asked a question.
[28:56] There's 3 years a three-year
[28:59] time frame. Can we wait until
[29:00] the three-year time frame for
[29:03] adding new people? If we're
[29:03] looking only just to focus on
[29:07] the future. That's one point.
[29:11] The second point is that his
[29:11] commentary was that not only
[29:12] were looking for the future,
[29:15] but he's looking to figure out
[29:16] how to reduce the number the
[29:21] amount of overtime now. So
[29:23] it's people working to fire a
[29:25] correctly think has said the
[29:26] 62 hours averaging you're
[29:28] averaging 62 ours. Yes, sir.
[29:30] He's averaging 62 hours a
[29:31] week.
[29:32] >> 8 hours of overtime for man
[29:35] right? So
[29:38] >> are we looking to?
[29:42] According Burn out. A crew
[29:43] which we do not want write
[29:44] that we don't want to do.
[29:49] >> Vs. Brazen attacks, but
[29:50] raising the ems or fire ems
[29:51] tax in order to compensate for
[29:56] that. The point was, is that
[29:59] what's more important? Right
[30:02] at the present time
[30:03] lieutenants what's more
[30:04] important right now is not
[30:08] burning the crew out. It
[30:09] services. If you this service
[30:13] calls are expanding. Now give
[30:15] We're I'm thinking just
[30:16] written and I know some of the
[30:18] stuff is hypothetical. I just
[30:22] read another planning board.
[30:24] Petition last night, 192
[30:33] homes. 32nd. It's not include
[30:35] is collusive of some of the
[30:35] other smaller developments.
[30:38] 300 homes is other. How how
[30:39] quickly they're going to
[30:43] build. Who knows. But we do
[30:44] know there are some going to
[30:45] be built very shortly because
[30:47] as we saw in the building
[30:50] permit process on MAY. I had
[30:51] 170 something. Plus cool. In
[30:55] one month. Versus what I had
[30:59] 17480, whole year. So we start
[31:02] thinking through this. I can
[31:05] almost understand. Why we need
[31:10] to put these people. To reduce
[31:10] the number of people are the
[31:12] overtime going work. So it MAY
[31:16] not be a total wash. But it it
[31:18] helps it helps. All right. So
[31:20] that's where I was at. When I
[31:21] asked all those questions to
[31:26] him. To talk about the number
[31:28] of Kohl's. What it does to his
[31:30] people and how it helps the
[31:33] people today and get away with
[31:33] thinking about moving 2, 3,
[31:36] years down the road because
[31:36] I'm not going think about 2 in
[31:37] 3 years down the road. Think
[31:40] about NOVEMBER. 4th through
[31:43] 8th or whatever. Data that is
[31:44] when somebody comes up with
[31:46] with voters start coming up
[31:47] and we don't want property
[31:50] tax. That's in my mind today.
[31:52] About everything that we do
[31:57] from from. In this budget
[32:00] process that to reduce costs.
[32:02] Every single time. Somebody
[32:02] comes up in front of us, we're
[32:05] going to reduce cost unless
[32:06] they have a valid reason to
[32:10] increase the cost. And then
[32:11] invest dollar reason. Maybe
[32:12] the physical attribute the
[32:16] employees that we have. That's
[32:16] that's that's kind of where I
[32:19] was going. And that is that is
[32:20] one side of the coin. And it's
[32:23] certainly a good one.
[32:24] >> But then if in the same
[32:25] breath, we say those 6 will be
[32:27] for the new fire station in 3
[32:27] years.
[32:29] >> That goes back to my point.
[32:35] If they are needed. To keep us
[32:35] from having the overtime to
[32:37] keep from burning out. The
[32:38] current employees, then
[32:39] they're going to still be
[32:42] needed there 3 years from now
[32:44] when the new fire station you
[32:46] move just says to the building
[32:47] and apparatus, we're just
[32:47] getting the running because we
[32:48] don't currently have it staff.
[32:49] But if you staff and with
[32:51] this, then they go to the new
[32:51] building.
[32:54] >> So so think about this. I
[32:55] have an apparatus. That's it
[32:59] This is we're just go We have
[33:00] an apparatus sitting here in
[33:02] this not being used, right,
[33:02] because we'll have a staff
[33:06] report. It could be this. If I
[33:09] had staffing, then that would
[33:10] help reduce reduce the number
[33:10] of hours or potential overtime
[33:12] hours that I I could be
[33:15] running things. So that new
[33:17] building its new fire station
[33:18] gets built. I think this
[33:21] apparatus, those people move
[33:23] it there. And if that
[33:27] >> promise certain.
[33:31] >> When we didn't want let me
[33:33] that's not the only thing
[33:33] you're gonna have to move
[33:34] there because those 6 people
[33:37] are not gonna be a full
[33:37] complement. So in the next x
[33:38] amount of years, you're going
[33:43] to have to have. X. Plus, y.
[33:45] Yeah, I just want make sure
[33:45] you understood get all that
[33:47] part. It's it's the aches. Its
[33:51] the x. As of now.
[33:52] >> And if it's an additional
[33:53] crew running in additional
[33:56] truck. And somebody calls out
[33:58] sick, you're still going to
[33:58] have overtime on that other
[34:01] crew. So I don't I know that
[34:02] on paper. This should
[34:02] alleviate the overtime Nano
[34:06] will to some degree. But if
[34:07] they are staff to be doing a
[34:08] job and there's base beer for
[34:11] their 54 hours and some of the
[34:12] calls out you're still going
[34:12] to have over time. You're just
[34:14] gonna have been 4 spots and
[34:14] said the 3 spots ensure
[34:15] Manning a 4th crew. I'm not
[34:20] seeing that room. Try to it. I
[34:22] think for staffing 3 vehicles.
[34:24] Now this is going to allow us
[34:25] to staff for vehicles, right,
[34:26] which we will do. And then all
[34:29] 4 will be available if anybody
[34:29] calls out for many of those
[34:33] crews. You still have an
[34:34] overtime is just in 4
[34:34] different spots now instead of
[34:37] 3 different spots, CHAIRMAN.
[34:41] >> So the you're here, you're
[34:42] in your stereo there. The 4th
[34:43] one is not going to be
[34:44] mandatory field. So it will be
[34:47] filled when we're staffed.
[34:49] When people call call out sick
[34:50] or are off, it won't. We won't
[34:54] have that truck available.
[34:55] >> And those people that would
[34:56] have been scheduled for
[34:59] Wednesday on that rope. We'll
[34:59] just fade into the other ones
[35:02] to help out or
[35:02] >> they'll go home. They they
[35:04] would not be there. I mean,
[35:05] there's only 2 people on a
[35:11] truck. So. If I had one extra
[35:12] person yet they would
[35:12] generally what we do is we put
[35:15] them on a 3rd person. Our
[35:16] rescue, and that reduces
[35:17] amount of times that my fire
[35:17] engine has to go with that.
[35:21] Trump on certain calls.
[35:23] >> Filling the gaps and a new
[35:23] she is obviously way above my
[35:24] head. And you certainly know
[35:26] what you're doing there. I'm
[35:27] just trying to look at it. If
[35:28] I was on the other side of
[35:30] that camera watching I'm
[35:31] trying to get as much
[35:32] explanation out there as
[35:35] possible.
[35:38] >> And and our our call volume
[35:39] has increased commissioner
[35:40] versus current. We're
[35:42] currently experiencing it. So
[35:44] it's not a matter Not that we
[35:44] anticipated 3 years from now.
[35:46] We anticipate a new station 3
[35:46] years now because that's how
[35:48] long it takes to build it. But
[35:50] the call volume has increased
[35:51] currently. So this will allow
[35:53] me to keep that extra truck in
[35:57] service. More often than not.
[35:58] But it will also reduce the
[35:59] over time because I won't
[36:01] require when the news stations
[36:02] built it will be required. I
[36:03] will have to and I regret and
[36:04] I fully understand that point.
[36:05] We have a new station. We have
[36:08] to staff that new station and
[36:09] that
[36:10] >> increasing employees is
[36:10] going to got off of that year
[36:12] everybody is going
[36:16] >> Theres going to be on as a
[36:18] result separated.
[36:19] >> You don't have a stud, but
[36:21] i tell there's a around fire
[36:22] here. So you do have something
[36:25] from. But you catch me from
[36:27] behind from a buzzer separated
[36:28] for because there you can't
[36:28] just combine all that stuff
[36:31] together.
[36:35] >> But the new station versus.
[36:35] >> The fixed. The expanded
[36:37] number of calls. And I don't
[36:41] think that was clear. Wasn't
[36:43] going out and clear until
[36:45] asked him talk about. And I
[36:47] certainly feel better about it
[36:49] now than I But I worried about
[36:51] was and I realize that fire
[36:52] and ems are not part of the of
[36:53] the warm. So we kind of have
[36:53] to have that out mind.
[36:55] >> But if we're looking holy
[36:59] at a tax bill
[37:03] >> For the people who are our
[37:05] >> That number goes up every
[37:06] single year. Goes up at a
[37:08] faster rate than waste
[37:10] management. And I realize that
[37:11] there's more people requires
[37:16] more firemen, more. It's.
[37:20] Nothing ever goes down. Seems
[37:21] to continue to go up looked
[37:25] down. Sate 6 new employees.
[37:26] >> And before this
[37:27] conversation, I look in 6 new
[37:31] employees. Well, if times get
[37:33] lean and we have to thin the
[37:37] herd, GOD forbid. That's
[37:39] that's a lot more difficult
[37:41] then. Just grit your teeth
[37:42] again. Pretty this
[37:43] conversation that's more
[37:46] difficult. Then grit your
[37:47] teeth and doing it with less
[37:50] people. Now. Other thing in
[37:54] this, this honest in truth, we
[37:55] hired some of the new of fire
[37:56] and ems. That is a person
[37:56] who's going to get a 5.8%
[37:57] raise every year. Whether we
[38:01] like it or not, because the
[38:02] union contract. So we also
[38:06] have be mindful of that. At
[38:08] 7%, something doubles every 10
[38:09] years. So it takes roughly 12
[38:12] and a half at 6%. A double. So
[38:13] every person you hire unless
[38:14] you eventually fired in which
[38:16] we don't want to do. That
[38:19] salaries. Double. And 12
[38:20] years. And if any of us are
[38:21] still sitting here, think
[38:22] about that number that time.
[38:25] So. I know that small-ball
[38:30] thinking. If really step back
[38:32] and look at it, it's not. So
[38:33] every employee that we take
[38:38] there is a 6% guaranteed year.
[38:39] And that doesn't include fica.
[38:39] And that doesn't include
[38:42] insurance and all that. So
[38:43] looking at got a mighty look
[38:46] at our tax bill. I'm just
[38:47] trying to make sure we don't
[38:49] put our self and I know that
[38:50] it's not ad valorem, but it is
[38:50] still something that our
[38:53] people pay. And I just want to
[38:54] be transparent, mindful as
[38:56] possible. Not to let that
[38:59] number get. So insurmountable
[39:00] that that. There's nothing we
[39:05] can do about it.
[39:06] >> I appreciate your
[39:06] conversation because I think
[39:07] that's necessary for the
[39:11] public. I'll add to this rose
[39:16] to 2 core services. So let's
[39:17] assume that NOVEMBER, they
[39:20] pass this amendment. For
[39:21] services or what you're going
[39:26] to be funding tax. These with.
[39:27] And then you'll have your
[39:28] special assessments over here
[39:31] on the other side, a core
[39:32] services as we sit here today
[39:34] is defined as public safety.
[39:40] So we talk about. Hypothetical
[39:42] Wells, as you talk about as we
[39:42] move into the future, we come
[39:46] down. We have downturn in the
[39:49] economy and we don't sending
[39:50] her does I think is your usage
[39:51] of of of laying people off?
[39:52] The one thing you would not
[39:56] do. He wouldn't do Notley and
[39:58] law enforcement. In a fire and
[40:04] ems person. You'll play off of
[40:05] the people before you get
[40:06] relative to whatever passes in
[40:08] NOVEMBER. Because those are
[40:11] core services. Which is why
[40:14] you cannot lay them off once
[40:15] you've hired them. You realize
[40:16] you're making it permanent.
[40:20] >> For ever higher of those 6
[40:21] additional people held today
[40:22] for the we build that station
[40:26] years from now or not. That's
[40:28] true. Very true. And tears and
[40:29] that's to reason want to have
[40:31] this discussion more in detail
[40:34] to make people understand that
[40:36] this is not about the news
[40:36] station. This is about making
[40:39] sure that we have. Group of
[40:41] people that are confident and
[40:48] not burned out. And based on
[40:48] the fact of the number of
[40:49] calls and then a number of
[40:52] things because ultimate, you
[40:52] heard you heard what I said
[40:55] the first day of this.
[40:56] CHAIRMAN. I have a really
[40:56] interesting debate about
[41:00] mileage rates. Cut taxes
[41:01] somewhere one way or the
[41:07] other. Some people going to be
[41:09] unhappy. Applauded the bocc
[41:10] county administrator for
[41:12] coming in 4%. Good people
[41:13] didn't didn't pay attention
[41:15] that I got some people that
[41:16] come. But 4%, which was
[41:19] appreciated. And that's reason
[41:22] asked him about the 14%.
[41:23] Because we have to validate
[41:28] while we're doing that. If
[41:28] you're if you're taking a look
[41:30] at this pro approach that
[41:31] we're taking on these on these
[41:32] particular things, like, for
[41:35] example, we got. In 2021 to
[41:38] level say 2021 at 7500 calls a
[41:40] bit into down. 26 years. 68 or
[41:44] 7800. That's 300 calls. 7, 6
[41:49] year period. But we do have a
[41:49] gross very much in that
[41:54] either. So now we're seeing is
[41:55] that we're going to have to
[41:56] focus on what whatever the
[41:56] health of the of the
[41:59] employers. Bottom line is
[42:02] that? I'm not crazy about
[42:07] having. Hired 6 people.
[42:10] Because at the end of the
[42:11] collect some of the stuff I
[42:12] was working with last night.
[42:16] People are freezing. You got
[42:19] to do what to do with. We
[42:22] could take that approach and
[42:23] the next thing I know he'll be
[42:25] in front of me. Or whoever it
[42:29] MAY be says my I got a person
[42:31] who for our her ends. And with
[42:37] that clearly. Is important.
[42:38] That's the dilemma that and
[42:41] that's the dilemma. And like
[42:42] you said, we're sitting here
[42:42] trying to be stewards whether
[42:44] its ad valorem.
[42:47] >> Or otherwise. Our job is to
[42:53] be stewards of this money.
[42:56] Like you. If there is a good
[42:56] calls and thereby GOD is a
[42:57] good cause. And if the voters
[42:59] don't like it well done. Vote
[43:00] us out. If we did right, if we
[43:04] did right. With what we
[43:05] believe with this money, then
[43:10] that's all we can do. 6 at
[43:13] once just isn't. Is a painful
[43:14] pill I am or sold on it than I
[43:19] was. I am certainly not going
[43:24] I mean we don't tend to sit
[43:25] here and take votes as we go
[43:26] through. This was a go back
[43:26] sharpen your pencil and so
[43:31] forth. If the rest of the
[43:32] board is satisfied with this
[43:35] as it is clearly the equipment
[43:35] go, oh, my GOD. That's up.
[43:38] Another $600,000 If you have
[43:38] to have the equipment, you
[43:41] have to have the equipment. If
[43:41] you have a truck that you
[43:45] replace and and the stretchers
[43:46] got to go in the truck and
[43:47] takes machine but stretcher in
[43:47] there. And that's $125,000.
[43:51] And that's just what it is.
[43:52] It's like making with the
[43:54] software it costs what it
[43:56] costs. And if they triple a
[43:59] dawning, he's got to have a
[44:00] software to do. His business
[44:01] wing set up here and my GOD,
[44:02] that's ridiculous offense what
[44:03] it calls. That's what it
[44:04] calls. Well, you and I are on
[44:08] the same page about the people
[44:10] piece of it. There's no doubt
[44:11] about that were on the same
[44:13] page about adding people. It's
[44:14] it's heartburn, right? Present
[44:16] time. He's Hartman at the pro.
[44:16] Right? So
[44:17] >> what I'm trying I'm trying
[44:21] to provide. Some analysis so
[44:22] that we can be comfortable
[44:23] with the decision that we make
[44:27] here on the sport. And if
[44:28] anybody and I know this
[44:29] conversation been back and
[44:30] forth between you and I, but
[44:31] just so if anybody else wants
[44:33] to jump in here, that's fine.
[44:34] But I think at the end of the
[44:35] day is that we got to be
[44:37] caucus is what we have blow a
[44:37] little. Will say this one
[44:40] thing in the front. Senate
[44:44] Bill, 180. Had a pair that
[44:49] just. It's not I'm not happy
[44:52] with we try to get out of But
[44:54] group with the baseline it was
[44:55] recommended that cities and
[44:57] counties go to a 42. Our work
[44:58] week. That's a lot of money
[45:00] for us for for fire and ems.
[45:03] Something we cannot afford. I
[45:07] could I think we can afford 6
[45:08] people vs going to a 42. Our
[45:11] work week.
[45:12] >> And if that 42, our work
[45:15] week gets implemented. Having
[45:17] 6 additional people on hand
[45:21] too, down to that would make
[45:23] that any easier transition as
[45:24] well. I think what dish the
[45:24] reason I'm bringing this up,
[45:26] you can just jump in if you
[45:27] like.
[45:29] >> I think that some of the
[45:29] commentary late it's been
[45:32] happening in the
[45:33] administration is previous
[45:34] administration has been trying
[45:35] to get to a 52 hour work week
[45:40] so that we can start. Manage
[45:40] it better from an overtime
[45:42] standpoint. My correct or
[45:43] incorrect yester current.
[45:45] Currently. We're at a 56 hour
[45:45] work week again. Put not
[45:47] counting the additional
[45:47] overtime.
[45:48] >> We do pay them overtime
[45:51] after 53. And the 6 people
[45:53] will get us to that. 53. So
[45:54] that's another good tailing
[45:59] feature. You get go. Help that
[46:03] it's far from the 42 it and
[46:05] and quite frankly, I have no
[46:07] interest as your fire chief to
[46:08] come back and recommend that
[46:08] we even attempt to get to a
[46:10] 42. Our work week. I don't I
[46:13] don't think it's achievable.
[46:14] Not only cost wise, but I
[46:15] couldn't hire that many
[46:16] people. I would have to hire
[46:19] 20 plus something people. As
[46:21] we sit and I don't I don't
[46:22] know that I could hire that
[46:25] many if allow me to do it. So.
[46:27] Frank, Frank, with volunteer?
[46:34] Its Jessica.
[46:35] >> On the assessment, define a
[46:38] mass assessment. And I know
[46:41] that we've we have studies and
[46:41] tell us do that had that we
[46:42] take into account for the new
[46:46] construction. I mean, from
[46:47] what you know, Commissioner
[46:48] Burrows mention how many
[46:50] houses next to you. One 92
[46:51] when 92 between you and the
[46:53] Pizza Hut. There's that many
[46:55] more. I can name you but
[46:58] basics. It's cut numbers in
[46:59] there that as some point with
[47:00] under deal less. So when we
[47:03] take those and there is there
[47:04] a chance that that we could
[47:07] the big level on increase on
[47:09] assessment.
[47:10] >> So I know in the current
[47:11] fiscal year proposed budget,
[47:15] we do have a some funds
[47:19] allocated to start. A new one
[47:20] so that way. It can include
[47:22] some of these items. I'm not
[47:23] necessarily sure maybe chief
[47:24] can speak on it more in terms
[47:26] of the Stan Tech study.
[47:27] >> On, if it included, I know
[47:28] there are some things left
[47:29] out, but I'm not sure if this
[47:31] is one of them. CHAIRMAN, the
[47:33] concept behind it is that.
[47:37] >> It's based on the need per
[47:37] unit.
[47:38] >> An additional units would
[47:41] include additional needs.
[47:42] >> But the plan that was put
[47:46] in place 5 years ago was
[47:47] that's how the Stan Tech study
[47:47] was based on. And it was based
[47:51] on that growth with what they
[47:52] estimated to be the growth.
[47:53] But I mean you know, I don't
[47:55] know that anybody expected us
[47:56] to go 3 or 4 years with no
[47:58] growth. And then all the
[47:58] sudden c this this rapid
[47:59] growth right here at the end
[48:05] of it. But I do see your point
[48:05] at some point. And I do
[48:07] believe with impact fees and
[48:09] all of this new growth. I
[48:10] believe that we will large
[48:11] reduction in our capital
[48:15] budget, which reduce the need
[48:18] to raise assessments.
[48:19] >> In fact, these are going to
[48:21] help in terms of that. 2 of
[48:22] the building of build out.
[48:23] Yes. So I mean, I think the
[48:25] reasons why we did right and
[48:26] and what one of the reasons we
[48:32] went 100%. Versus 60%. Correct
[48:33] is the reason just what he's
[48:34] standing in front of that they
[48:36] would help pay for this. They
[48:37] would help pay for that at
[48:37] 100%. We would not have to put
[48:39] money into it. And that was
[48:44] the whole reason. I kept.
[48:45] Batteries. You end This what
[48:48] pay the assessment too. So I
[48:49] just think in the long run we
[48:51] take a look at the from a pro.
[48:55] You approach to budget wise. I
[48:58] can accept the 6 people today
[48:59] relative to what you just
[49:00] talked about over that over
[49:02] the period of time. Not get
[49:06] into. And we can validate,
[49:07] like I said, you know, going
[49:10] to the 50 look at 2 workweek
[49:13] whatever, it MAY 3. Yes, sir.
[49:15] 53. It still has a reduction
[49:17] in overtime which has
[49:18] production and the potential
[49:21] health of the employee. And
[49:22] with some assurance to me that
[49:23] when that 4th station gets
[49:27] built, that it's
[49:29] >> these existing extra units,
[49:30] they go there and that at that
[49:31] time were not standing here
[49:31] asking for additional units to
[49:33] go to stage. Yes. All right.
[49:35] Or as many.
[49:36] >> I something just for
[49:38] second. I want to praise your
[49:44] little. The last meetings,
[49:49] sensitive took this position.
[49:53] To waive handle Dust I got
[49:56] family in the fire department.
[49:58] I don't know if the public
[49:59] always they don't get to maybe
[50:01] hear the stories. I get to
[50:02] hear about the fire and the
[50:04] baby that. Was trapped in the
[50:07] car. Other thick things they
[50:12] do. All other think I hear on
[50:16] Facebook, you know, who else
[50:17] we should outsource this and
[50:18] outsourced Why are we paying
[50:19] for them to sleep at a
[50:20] station? I don't think they
[50:22] get it. Yes, sir. But there's
[50:24] a lot more to this fire
[50:25] department. Public really
[50:26] realizes. And just want to
[50:29] thank you for what you do.
[50:30] >> I appreciate that. I do
[50:31] want to give a shout out to my
[50:31] cruise. I mean, they're
[50:34] absolutely amazing. We had.
[50:34] >> a call.
[50:38] >> Last last believe it was a
[50:41] pediatric drowning and the
[50:43] child was lifeless. No pets,
[50:44] no restoration got there. And
[50:44] I just got to pick Trevor this
[50:45] week where she's sitting in a
[50:48] wheelchair. Awake and talking
[50:50] to our want to bring that up
[50:51] before the budget because
[50:54] that's not what a a.
[50:56] >> That there's hundreds of
[50:57] the story. Yes, and you
[50:58] clearly know, Justin. I mean,
[51:01] you know, all have done more
[51:04] with helping with deadpan.
[51:05] Then I could. So, you o'Neal's
[51:10] sister. Most of the reason
[51:11] that conversation was just had
[51:12] its own people out there,
[51:13] naysayers. You can see the
[51:16] sausage get made. The get the
[51:19] full explanation. And get some
[51:23] promises. To that future that
[51:24] we're working towards its not
[51:26] just going to be a snow ball
[51:28] on top of it. And whether j#
[51:28] #
[51:29] standing there Wheather Onthe
[51:29] even sitting here 3 years from
[51:34] now. Whoever is I hope they
[51:36] hold. I hope they they hold
[51:38] that from Yes, sir. And and
[51:39] you can. You can ask MISS Lisa
[51:41] staff. I have given my staff
[51:42] clear direction.
[51:43] >> To look for alternative
[51:43] sources of funding, whether
[51:44] that be grants or or
[51:44] partnerships or anything else
[51:48] where? I'm a taxpayer here,
[51:50] too. And I be firm believer in
[51:52] being stewards of our money.
[51:52] So I would ask for something
[51:53] if I didn't think it was
[51:57] critical. So.
[51:57] >> So commissioner summer and
[51:59] I'll shut up I want you to
[52:04] realize one other thing too.
[52:05] And I just thought that is
[52:06] that this witness additional
[52:08] station has been, quote,
[52:09] unquote, build. There's
[52:09] there's additional opportunity
[52:14] for. Fire and ems assessments.
[52:19] Little bit further south.
[52:20] >> And counting on that. And
[52:21] and I don't talk about out
[52:22] loud because it's nothing
[52:27] that. As a guarantee.
[52:29] >> No, but I'm sure that is
[52:30] being worked. Yes, we're
[52:31] working, right. Just want to
[52:32] make sure that we. It's just
[52:35] not that we're going use exact
[52:39] our existing. People here to
[52:40] do that. We're working on
[52:44] helping other areas that
[52:45] currently are providing they
[52:46] pay are currently let's
[52:49] spending that money. Yes. And
[52:50] we get compensated for and we
[52:53] get compensated for it. What
[52:54] we should be getting
[52:56] compensated So. Just wanted to
[52:58] that end. So it's we if you
[53:00] didn't remember that, not can
[53:04] we talk about the sausage?
[53:07] >> I am thank you so much. So
[53:09] it was a told told you this
[53:10] morning it was going make all
[53:11] kinds of sausage, big and
[53:14] small. Well, I'm glad we had
[53:15] that conversation. We did just
[53:18] get just get Apologize for not
[53:21] making sure buddy was killed
[53:25] on so anyone Thank you, ok? So
[53:34] are we ok? What would Thank
[53:37] you, Commissioner. Thank you.
[53:41] Okay. MISS An ace. It's your
[53:44] second time. Welcome back.
[53:46] >> This is my second time. And
[53:49] I think this is my last time.
[53:50] >> He said that yesterday
[53:53] every time I see her, she's
[53:54] walking out with a box with
[53:55] its I were good about going
[53:57] have to start following are
[53:58] out and see which open spot.
[54:02] Yeah, small is going to
[54:03] disappear, though.
[54:04] >> You'll see tomorrow for
[54:05] regular bocc meeting with this
[54:06] is my last budget present.
[54:07] You're going to be stuffed
[54:12] with no chandler instead Think
[54:13] those who know cameras much
[54:14] better She got down Wofford
[54:17] and then cool.
[54:18] >> I mean, you said I'm going
[54:20] from the frying pan into the
[54:23] fire, a
[54:23] >> And I want to get friend of
[54:24] mine so I can tease quite a
[54:25] bit.
[54:29] >> And no and his kidneys.
[54:31] Couple months older me, And
[54:31] you never let him forget it.
[54:35] That's
[54:36] >> I think, know, there's
[54:38] anybody older than you, but
[54:44] is. All right. Go ahead. I'm
[54:44] sorry. All right. Before I get
[54:47] started, I want to echo Justin
[54:48] his leave sentiments on the
[54:49] budget process this year. What
[54:50] the public doesn't realize is
[54:51] that.
[54:52] >> From a staff perspective,
[54:54] we start this process back in
[54:56] JANUARY. So this has been
[54:57] something we've been dealing
[54:58] with now for several months.
[54:59] And I can't give Lisa and her
[55:03] team enough. Kudos. Justin
[55:04] Nelson, Lisa and I have been
[55:07] meeting since JANUARY with the
[55:08] leadership changes, Justin,
[55:09] he's Leaf and Jessica added to
[55:10] that group and we have met at
[55:13] least monthly if not more
[55:14] often, to make sure we're
[55:18] staying on process. So this
[55:19] year's process has been the
[55:21] smoothest. I have experienced
[55:24] in the 8 years. I've been here
[55:25] and I have to give Lisa and
[55:27] her team kudos for that.
[55:27] Despite leadership changes,
[55:29] despite her department
[55:31] changes, this has been a
[55:33] really amazing process to
[55:34] bring budget to you in a very
[55:37] challenging time.
[55:38] >> Would you mind articulating
[55:41] what you told me a study what
[55:42] what the staff is being going
[55:44] been going through with that
[55:48] with the reductions the 5%
[55:49] temperature you mind repeating
[55:51] and my staff, my staff
[55:52] specifically and I can't speak
[55:53] for for the rest of the team,
[55:55] but my staff specifically
[55:55] >> have gone through their
[56:00] own. Expect it experiences of
[56:01] drafting this budget and then
[56:03] looking at what a 10% decrease
[56:05] of 15% decrease. And even a 40
[56:08] or 50% decrease would look
[56:10] like they understand how
[56:12] important it is to be fiscal
[56:13] stewards of taxpayer dollars.
[56:15] They're all taxpayers
[56:17] themselves. They understand
[56:19] how important it is to respect
[56:20] this budget and to not be
[56:22] wasteful. And so they are
[56:23] already anticipating what it's
[56:29] going to take to make those
[56:30] decreases. And I will tell you
[56:32] these departments have for a
[56:34] long time understood how
[56:35] important it is to stretch the
[56:37] dollar and they stretch every
[56:39] year they returned to reserves
[56:42] when they can, but they really
[56:45] do make effective use of
[56:46] taxpayer dollars. They are
[56:47] always mindful of can we do
[56:49] this cheaper? Can we do this
[56:50] more effectively? Can we find
[56:50] creative solutions? Can we
[56:52] find alternative funding? They
[56:56] work very hard at that. So I
[56:56] understand the public's
[56:59] perspective isn't always.
[57:03] >> a knowledgeable think
[57:04] opponents say. And I encourage
[57:04] them to ask the questions.
[57:05] They're asking to the people
[57:07] who understand the answers.
[57:12] >> Instead of the Facebook.
[57:13] Face wonder about their one
[57:14] thing you have bailed on in
[57:16] and your whole time here.
[57:16] Right?
[57:17] >> You have never made her
[57:18] smile. Sitting in the budget
[57:22] meeting.
[57:28] >> We scared. Are scared?
[57:29] She's going she's going out to
[57:30] smile a little bit each and
[57:31] every time because we're not
[57:32] all hours that they're still
[57:33] it because this.
[57:37] >> You've got to have some,
[57:37] you know, level of
[57:38] conversation here and make
[57:40] this easy because this is not
[57:42] easy, I will say in the 8
[57:43] years that I've been here,
[57:44] I've seen some pretty amazing
[57:47] hires. She is top of the list.
[57:47] >> She has really been a
[57:49] phenomenal addition to our
[57:51] leadership team. She her
[57:53] knowledge on both the hr side
[57:54] and the finance side is has
[57:57] really added a lot of value
[57:57] and she doesn't get get the
[57:59] credit she needs to get for
[58:03] that. So.
[58:04] >> She is very good. By the
[58:07] see it. And I've told that to
[58:08] rest race not only was mix of
[58:10] the tire, but she does a good
[58:14] job of hiring said that
[58:14] absolutely Contrary to what
[58:15] the public might think. We
[58:17] don't do the She looks that
[58:21] are new hire right next to it.
[58:22] >> she is she has been truly a
[58:23] phenomenal guide for the
[58:24] leadership team to be able to
[58:25] come to her with personnel
[58:28] issues with hiring issues,
[58:30] with budget issues that I
[58:32] couldn't imagine the job that
[58:33] she has.
[58:34] >> I truly and I didn't come
[58:37] up here just sing her praises.
[58:39] But truly, she has one of the
[58:40] most difficult jobs in the
[58:42] county to handle both hr and
[58:45] budget. I don't know anyone
[58:45] else who could do it with the
[58:48] grace and poise that she does
[58:49] with She has assured me she's
[58:50] not interested in working for
[58:55] the city. Yeah.
[58:59] >> So So you into border. But
[59:00] I will be calling her for
[59:05] advice. And Rick, what And a
[59:06] ship. Thank you for that. A
[59:07] little soapbox. I appreciate
[59:10] your your patients with me.
[59:12] >> Ship is our state Housing
[59:13] Initiative program. This
[59:15] funded through state
[59:17] allocation. Okeechobee County
[59:20] is a small fiscally
[59:20] constrained county, receives
[59:21] the lowest amount of
[59:22] allocations by the state,
[59:26] which is $350,000 with a few
[59:27] other revenues that come in
[59:30] here to take us up to 3.89.
[59:31] That's intrest in some payoffs
[59:33] on some loans and things like
[59:35] that. So we are looking at a
[59:40] projected revenue of $389,200.
[59:42] 10% of that 350,000 that comes
[59:44] in can be used for
[59:45] administrative costs. And what
[59:47] we recognized over the past 2
[59:47] years that I've been involved
[59:50] in this department is that we
[59:52] were not allocating that
[59:53] correctly to salaries. So we
[59:55] were taking that $350,000
[59:55] putting it in contracted
[59:57] services and not utilizing it
[1:00:00] for those salary costs. We
[1:00:02] also a couple of years ago
[1:00:03] before I joined the department
[1:00:07] before least so is here. There
[1:00:08] was a little bit of a
[1:00:10] discrepancy in how we handled
[1:00:13] some of the balance forward
[1:00:15] funds. So in the ship
[1:00:17] accounts, we have 3 years when
[1:00:18] someone comes in or when we
[1:00:19] get our allocation, we have 3
[1:00:22] years to spend that money. So
[1:00:23] there's a lot of kind of roll
[1:00:25] over and moving forward and
[1:00:26] things that are very
[1:00:26] confusing.
[1:00:29] >> In this budget line. So you
[1:00:30] see that we have operating
[1:00:33] expenses last year of
[1:00:38] $336,142. This was us making
[1:00:39] some adjustments. So that's a
[1:00:43] lower amount than normal that
[1:00:44] 470,344 operating expenses
[1:00:47] back into a more of a normal
[1:00:51] normal operating expenses that
[1:00:52] we see the non-operating. You
[1:00:53] see that we are trying to kind
[1:00:56] of get that that reserve that
[1:00:58] cash, that balance forward
[1:01:01] fund back in to where it's
[1:01:02] supposed to be. So Lisa has
[1:01:04] done a lot of work. When I
[1:01:04] give her kudos, she has earned
[1:01:07] especially in this account to
[1:01:07] try and get this back where it
[1:01:11] needs to be and get everything
[1:01:12] kind of moving forward for
[1:01:14] Justin Hayes, a leaf to take
[1:01:16] over in a better place there's
[1:01:17] still a little tweaks that
[1:01:20] need to happen. But at this
[1:01:21] point, I'm confident that we
[1:01:22] are back in a better place
[1:01:24] with this. So we are looking
[1:01:26] at a 21% decrease in our total
[1:01:28] budget. But again, this is
[1:01:29] funded through ship funds,
[1:01:33] affordable housing funds. So
[1:01:34] this isn't a ad valorem our
[1:01:37] general fund account at all. I
[1:01:38] probably confused the heck out
[1:01:40] of me. Me any questions. You
[1:01:45] have.
[1:01:46] >> So your cash balance this
[1:01:46] year's what 79,000? Yes,
[1:01:48] that's and that's that. And so
[1:01:52] the 3.50.
[1:01:52] >> What does that come a
[1:01:53] usually comes in AUGUST,
[1:01:57] SEPTEMBER someplace in there.
[1:01:57] So it's what we're budgeting
[1:02:00] for for the next fiscal year
[1:02:00] starting in OCTOBER. So
[1:02:02] usually OCTOBER NOVEMBER is
[1:02:05] when we start being able to
[1:02:07] offer those funds. How do you
[1:02:07] distribute that? I mean, what
[1:02:08] was criteria terms of
[1:02:11] distributing the 350,000 So
[1:02:14] it'll be closer to 3.15,
[1:02:15] because clouds are going to
[1:02:16] come out of that were allowed
[1:02:16] to use 10% of that allocation
[1:02:19] for administrative costs. The
[1:02:22] rest go through an application
[1:02:23] our affordable housing
[1:02:23] coordinator, which is vacant
[1:02:26] right now. So anybody wants to
[1:02:27] work in field, please reach
[1:02:31] out to the county, but the
[1:02:33] Affordable housing coordinator
[1:02:34] basically opens up an
[1:02:35] application process. They have
[1:02:37] to meet the criteria that set
[1:02:37] in the l hat, which is the
[1:02:41] local housing
[1:02:42] >> I know prove plan. Other
[1:02:46] assistance plan. Thank you
[1:02:49] >> so they do have to meet
[1:02:50] that criteria. There are
[1:02:51] several ways that this funding
[1:02:51] can assist them. It can
[1:02:54] through emergency repairs. It
[1:02:59] can be through foreclosure, an
[1:02:59] eviction prevention or through
[1:03:00] Like first home buyer type
[1:03:07] situations.
[1:03:08] >> When we have the Affordable
[1:03:11] Housing Committee, it we need
[1:03:15] to 2 years. Yes. And I have
[1:03:16] people volunteer for that one.
[1:03:17] Like that from made that much.
[1:03:22] They do. A sea of the county's
[1:03:24] actually bring the ship
[1:03:25] program that bucket
[1:03:26] applications to the
[1:03:27] commission. And I'm not
[1:03:28] advocating a net, but it might
[1:03:29] be time to send it to that
[1:03:30] Affordable Housing Committee
[1:03:31] and let them review on before
[1:03:34] we. Give a lot of funds see a
[1:03:38] lot of foreclosures.
[1:03:40] >> It might be good to at
[1:03:42] least convene that committee a
[1:03:42] few times this year and let
[1:03:43] them see what the applications
[1:03:47] we receive are what's been
[1:03:48] approved. Usually that
[1:03:48] committee convenes to go over
[1:03:52] the l Happ. The plan itself
[1:03:53] and to make any changes to
[1:03:55] that plan. That plan also has
[1:03:56] to get approved by the state.
[1:03:58] So there's a lot of processes
[1:03:59] with that. The committee is
[1:04:01] one step in that process.
[1:04:02] >> And I know the emergencies
[1:04:03] huge. You have to do that. But
[1:04:07] I mean, get The committee and
[1:04:07] they brought it to the
[1:04:08] commission and we were paying
[1:04:11] first last and security. So,
[1:04:12] you know, and that affected a
[1:04:14] lot of landlords because it
[1:04:19] the Randleman that go to
[1:04:20] Commissioner good bridge get
[1:04:23] all that paid up front. So we
[1:04:24] changed said I think now then
[1:04:25] we can pay the security that
[1:04:29] we can pay first and security.
[1:04:31] Abe is was it the first and
[1:04:32] last but not whichever
[1:04:33] whichever way it is because
[1:04:33] somebody have some skin in the
[1:04:36] game. Might be something we
[1:04:44] want to talk about. Thank you.
[1:04:45] Any questions comments for
[1:04:57] that one? Thank you so much.
[1:04:58] >> Our next fund in your
[1:04:59] budget Workbook should be on
[1:05:00] Page 209. Is the community
[1:05:05] development block grant. These
[1:05:06] funds receive due to
[1:05:06] completion of a previous cdbg
[1:05:09] disaster relief program and
[1:05:11] which homes were rehab due to
[1:05:13] damages from Hurricane Wilma
[1:05:17] in 2005, you can see
[1:05:19] year-over-year these funds
[1:05:32] don't change. It's $61,553.
[1:05:34] >> questions? So what can we
[1:05:40] do with it?
[1:05:43] >> We are still researching I
[1:05:44] know prior administration had
[1:05:45] they've had some turnover with
[1:05:53] when this. Program came
[1:05:54] Implementation and we are
[1:05:58] reaching out to that prior
[1:05:59] administrator within the
[1:06:01] Florida car, Cdbg area
[1:06:02] identify how they can be used
[1:06:05] has not been clear to on how
[1:06:07] they can be used. But what we
[1:06:09] do know it can be used for
[1:06:10] affordable housing. It's just
[1:06:11] a matter of what you think it
[1:06:12] has before double housing. I
[1:06:15] think it can't be repairs.
[1:06:16] >> I'm thinking about if we
[1:06:19] could use it every day, Hrs
[1:06:20] bill, what it what it can do
[1:06:21] that health department
[1:06:21] building follow the things
[1:06:24] you're doing, did it. Justin?
[1:06:28] So that would that would help
[1:06:29] tremendously. You got to just
[1:06:31] pay attention to what are the
[1:06:31] guidelines no hurricane
[1:06:32] repairs. And so this is going
[1:06:34] to be in preparation for. As
[1:06:37] shelter.
[1:06:38] >> But hurricane repairs going
[1:06:40] to referenced to.
[1:06:44] Constituency. I believe when
[1:06:45] you read community development
[1:06:50] block grants. Not 4
[1:06:51] infrastructure, infrastructure
[1:06:52] for the county is descendants
[1:06:56] ask in this. Ask.
[1:06:56] >> mean, if could use it for
[1:07:00] something to The benefit the
[1:07:06] tax payers would be good.
[1:07:06] >> Only a problem. People
[1:07:10] which Thank you, MISS What
[1:07:14] else?
[1:07:15] >> Our next fun is the
[1:07:18] Landfill Trust Fund, which is
[1:07:18] page to 13 in your budget
[1:07:22] workbook. This is a special
[1:07:24] revenue fund used to account
[1:07:25] for a portion of solid waste,
[1:07:26] host fees to the private
[1:07:28] contractor operating the
[1:07:30] Okeechobee Landfill. These are
[1:07:31] committed by the county
[1:07:31] ordinance to a reserve to
[1:07:35] allow county funds to provide
[1:07:35] the service. Should the
[1:07:36] landfill be reverted back to
[1:07:39] the county? So our current
[1:07:40] budget for the fiscal year
[1:07:44] proposed. 26 27 operating
[1:07:48] expenses are $606,667. The non
[1:07:51] operating costs for the sick
[1:07:53] out. Our 2, 10 million,
[1:07:57] 675,000, $171 for a total
[1:08:02] budget of 10 million, 681,000,
[1:08:04] $838, which is a 0.5 5%
[1:08:18] increase.
[1:08:19] >> How much do we owe it to
[1:08:20] much of we've taken out of
[1:08:24] there. So in loans longer
[1:08:26] things that we take out like
[1:08:27] for the boat ramp and things
[1:08:30] like then much to really. It's
[1:08:35] still Would you like for me to
[1:08:36] provide you that don't know.
[1:08:37] It's okay. I'm I'm just say
[1:08:38] I'm not trying on the spot.
[1:08:40] I'm just trying to have a
[1:08:42] discussion. So, you know, the
[1:08:43] we we had discussion of the
[1:08:44] day is we don't have too many
[1:08:47] reserves. Will it
[1:08:48] >> Repay the money we take and
[1:08:49] hear your reserves would be
[1:08:52] inland and you still have. The
[1:08:54] fund there could be used for.
[1:08:57] Multiple things. I was under
[1:09:00] the impression that. For the
[1:09:01] time of the air ramp. So that
[1:09:04] was alone. And we're going to
[1:09:11] repay through. The money we
[1:09:11] could get from the boating
[1:09:12] Improvement trust fund and
[1:09:16] money from Bass Pro.
[1:09:17] >> What that would that we had
[1:09:18] to take out of here. But it
[1:09:19] won't. It wouldn't pay the
[1:09:28] whole out to do that. We would
[1:09:29] take many other finance a fire
[1:09:30] trucks things like that.
[1:09:34] That's a lie. That's always
[1:09:35] voted on day was to take the
[1:09:35] money out of there to fund
[1:09:41] that.
[1:09:42] >> going question it was
[1:09:43] alone. We're going to play it
[1:09:46] back pro closing money and the
[1:09:54] boater Improvement Trust fund.
[1:09:55] >> That was put that money
[1:09:56] back where they just so. That
[1:10:02] was a model. He was right.
[1:10:13] Mark this down.
[1:10:15] >> What we can use the city.
[1:10:21] >> Bpg. So it can be used on
[1:10:25] public facilities. Okay.
[1:10:28] Here's some money for you.
[1:10:29] Have over there your
[1:10:29] conditions or whatever you
[1:10:32] have. You will have repay the
[1:10:36] landfill. Trust. The
[1:10:41] pardoning.
[1:10:47] >> a Category 4 or whatever.
[1:10:53] >> Anything else on this one.
[1:10:54] Okay. Next to have MISTER
[1:10:55] Nelson for the cemetery.
[1:11:06] Trust. That would be to 18
[1:11:10] street team. So.
[1:11:10] >> Good morning. CHAIRMAN
[1:11:11] Commissioners County
[1:11:15] administrator. In front of you
[1:11:16] presenting for the cemetery
[1:11:20] trust fund. So im personnel
[1:11:21] services. We have an increase
[1:11:24] of $3,864, which is an
[1:11:30] increase of 4.9 0% operating
[1:11:31] expenses. We have an increase
[1:11:33] of $9,284 at 13.7, 8%. And I
[1:11:38] just want to bring up the
[1:11:40] reason for that kind of
[1:11:42] increase for that, that will
[1:11:44] be this will be a single year
[1:11:44] increase because if the
[1:11:45] capital items are approved,
[1:11:48] some of that is too fund the
[1:11:52] furniture. And some of those
[1:11:53] items that would come out of
[1:11:56] that non capital for that
[1:11:57] renovation or that
[1:11:58] improvement. That is it. That
[1:12:00] is shown within our capital.
[1:12:01] So some of this will to be
[1:12:02] like the fte in some of those
[1:12:04] items will be coming out. That
[1:12:07] said this is kind of just a
[1:12:07] one-year increase. That's
[1:12:11] significant increase this
[1:12:16] year. Capital expenses we are.
[1:12:19] We're looking at it. $67,000
[1:12:21] and capital moving forward for
[1:12:22] that. And that would be for
[1:12:24] the office. We've course built
[1:12:25] the building over the last 2
[1:12:27] years. We've got the building
[1:12:30] built, but this would be for
[1:12:31] the actual bill doubt of the
[1:12:32] building. That would be the
[1:12:33] ada compliant restrooms that
[1:12:34] we will have an ad, a restroom
[1:12:36] at that site and it would be
[1:12:39] the office building for the on
[1:12:43] site Cemetery office. And
[1:12:45] other than that, we have at
[1:12:46] Fort Drum there says they've
[1:12:48] done a lot of fence repairs
[1:12:50] there previous years, but we
[1:12:50] do have a divider fence. We
[1:12:53] need to keep people. We kind
[1:12:55] of have an issue with some
[1:12:57] people they currently living
[1:13:01] behind the back side of it. So
[1:13:02] they've done a really good job
[1:13:03] of clearing most of that
[1:13:04] property now. But we do need
[1:13:06] to divide that property off
[1:13:07] and that would be for the
[1:13:08] divider, fence gates and stuff
[1:13:13] for that area. So and and
[1:13:14] total when you look at it in
[1:13:16] total, our total operating and
[1:13:17] non-operating. We've got a
[1:13:19] reduction of 2.0, 8, 5, 0%. I
[1:13:22] do want to bring up when I
[1:13:25] took over the cemetery in
[1:13:26] 2021. Myself and Shelley
[1:13:28] Mitchell took over the
[1:13:30] cemetery. We put David Jay
[1:13:32] Cups and there is a cemetery
[1:13:34] running and operating the
[1:13:36] cemetery. At that time. The
[1:13:39] county's contribution to the
[1:13:40] cemetery around $60,000 a
[1:13:44] year. When we look at it after
[1:13:45] these last few capital
[1:13:50] expenses are done the cemetery
[1:13:50] revenues. We'll cover the
[1:13:53] cemetery operational costs. So
[1:13:56] we are almost at a break-even.
[1:13:58] We're real close this year,
[1:14:00] but we will have these flash
[1:14:00] few capital we would have last
[1:14:04] year except for we did. Have a
[1:14:05] vehicle purchase and some
[1:14:06] other stuff that had to happen
[1:14:07] last budget year. But you will
[1:14:12] see. This fund moving forward
[1:14:12] into the next years will cover
[1:14:16] with their revenues. So we're
[1:14:16] pretty excited to see it go
[1:14:20] from that 60,000 Ish and comes
[1:14:21] out of the small county cert
[1:14:24] taxes. Covered this budget for
[1:14:27] multiple years. 60,000 we've
[1:14:28] we've seen reduce over the
[1:14:30] years of 60,000 the first
[1:14:31] year. I think 50,000 next
[1:14:35] year, 30,000 and then and then
[1:14:36] so on and so forth that has
[1:14:38] reduced every single year. And
[1:14:39] I'm confident the next year
[1:14:40] when we bring this budget, he
[1:14:43] all it will be a
[1:14:45] self-sustaining department. So
[1:14:46] I got give kudos to David and
[1:14:47] to Shelley to making this
[1:14:49] department more efficient and
[1:14:50] doing what they've had to do.
[1:14:51] That was my main goal. When I
[1:14:53] took department over what's
[1:14:55] how do we make it
[1:14:57] self-sufficient? And we are
[1:14:59] almost there. So I think
[1:15:00] coming into next year, we will
[1:15:02] see that happen along with the
[1:15:02] fee increase that that's very
[1:15:06] promising. I just wanted to
[1:15:07] definitely let all understand.
[1:15:08] That's been the goal from day
[1:15:14] one with this. Big deal. You
[1:15:15] and the governor over the head
[1:15:16] because your final resting
[1:15:20] place. You don't have to
[1:15:21] >> We ought pay taxes on So
[1:15:22] he's got he would be really
[1:15:22] happy. He has a thought about
[1:15:30] this
[1:15:30] >> Good.
[1:15:31] >> Any other any questions?
[1:15:34] Anything but ok?
[1:15:35] >> Did that did I MISS
[1:15:36] Something about your 67? That
[1:15:39] sorry.
[1:15:41] >> The 67,000 has my total
[1:15:42] capital. So 62,000 of that is
[1:15:44] for the build out of the
[1:15:46] building that we put on site 2
[1:15:51] years ago.
[1:15:52] >> restraint yesterday will be
[1:15:53] it'll be the buildout for the
[1:15:57] on-side office. What noticed.
[1:15:57] >> David
[1:15:58] >> Jacobs has to make those
[1:15:59] trips back and forth to town
[1:16:01] to meet with clients. So they
[1:16:03] they meet at the office at the
[1:16:05] annex building. They take out
[1:16:06] there and then they want to go
[1:16:08] back to the office, reviewed
[1:16:10] the maps or look at sites
[1:16:11] sitting air-conditioning with
[1:16:16] the clients. 2, 3, years ago,
[1:16:17] we did a build-out of the shed
[1:16:20] that was on site so that David
[1:16:21] could just an air-conditioned
[1:16:22] office space. So David can
[1:16:23] meet with the clients out
[1:16:26] there and it made a huge of
[1:16:27] just travel time. His time to
[1:16:30] get spent on site. That was
[1:16:32] the main purpose of pushing
[1:16:34] forward for the new building,
[1:16:34] the new maintenance building
[1:16:35] out there and adding this
[1:16:38] office space there along with
[1:16:39] those restrooms of any of you
[1:16:40] have ever used restrooms out
[1:16:42] there. Your knees hit the door
[1:16:45] when you close the door,
[1:16:46] literally, I'm not. I mean,
[1:16:46] your knees are touching the
[1:16:50] wall to sit on the toilet. So
[1:16:52] we really needed additional
[1:16:53] restroom side out there. And
[1:16:54] that will be funded. Also with
[1:16:59] the ada compliant bathroom.
[1:16:59] And then, of course, I said
[1:17:01] the fence at Fort Drum would
[1:17:04] be the other 5,000 of that. I
[1:17:05] finally found the back on the
[1:17:12] last. One of All right. Cool.
[1:17:13] >> The question, did kind of
[1:17:22] come in impasse? One out 98
[1:17:23] fast, but that's or cemetery.
[1:17:24] We're trying to get some
[1:17:25] property there to that for
[1:17:28] reach an impasse. Well, you
[1:17:32] Yes, sir. The property sold
[1:17:33] but I can tell you we will
[1:17:35] keep working with those
[1:17:37] landowners that are adjacent
[1:17:38] to that to try to figure out
[1:17:42] how we can get the main goal
[1:17:44] out there. If we could break
[1:17:45] it into just a big box because
[1:17:47] we kind of got some jogs and
[1:17:49] that property. It's kind of.
[1:17:54] Built like a Tetris z the goal
[1:17:54] would be the kind of build
[1:17:55] that property out into a
[1:17:58] single box. But we were trying
[1:18:01] to work something out with the
[1:18:02] previous landowner. It did not
[1:18:03] come to fruition before the
[1:18:05] whole entire property sold.
[1:18:07] But I can tell you as soon as
[1:18:08] we have a little extra free
[1:18:10] time and we get things changed
[1:18:12] around, we will go back to
[1:18:14] talking with the 2 adjacent
[1:18:15] landowners to see if we can
[1:18:17] get that piece brought into a
[1:18:18] box. But I will say that.
[1:18:22] David Jay Cups, Shelley and
[1:18:24] myself have added sites to
[1:18:27] their sellable sites again by
[1:18:31] looking at an utilize space
[1:18:33] David did that last year. And
[1:18:33] those sites are now available.
[1:18:34] So we do have available sites
[1:18:38] out there. That space that
[1:18:40] were never built out for
[1:18:41] sites. So it there is some
[1:18:43] additional sites that came
[1:18:45] into play. Some of them are
[1:18:46] only be used for cremation
[1:18:47] because there's kind of how it
[1:18:51] fits within the site plan. But
[1:18:53] those sites are now available
[1:18:54] in a show on on our website
[1:18:58] are on our cemetery software
[1:18:59] program to wear those sites
[1:19:00] are available and what those
[1:19:05] sites are. So means Throw a
[1:19:06] monkey wrench in the blasts
[1:19:06] are hearing that just popped
[1:19:07] in my mind to.
[1:19:10] >> I think your time at the
[1:19:11] Texas it was an access issue
[1:19:14] that. Yeah, that that we have
[1:19:17] no legal right back to get be
[1:19:20] ever looked at the deed to Cs
[1:19:20] for it.
[1:19:21] >> We've we've met with legal
[1:19:22] multiple multiple times, tried
[1:19:23] to figure out how we could
[1:19:29] make that work in the radiator
[1:19:31] previous board had had signed
[1:19:31] the property over legally to
[1:19:39] the adjacent landowner. We do
[1:19:40] have all the records that
[1:19:41] reflect that and we've tried
[1:19:41] to figure out how we could
[1:19:43] make that work. But I think
[1:19:47] with our new. If we can make
[1:19:47] this other deal work out, it
[1:19:49] would help with that traffic
[1:19:50] pattern. We would be able to
[1:19:54] put a circle road in to come
[1:19:54] back out. So there is some
[1:19:56] thought process that was in
[1:19:57] that next land acquisition
[1:19:59] part that we thought we were
[1:20:00] working on before the whole
[1:20:01] property. And that's on the
[1:20:04] one owner. Yes, or any other
[1:20:10] questions. Impressive when the
[1:20:11] people go there, the kiosk
[1:20:14] fund.
[1:20:15] >> Fun to graze and know that
[1:20:16] they knew they say they can
[1:20:17] read in a vehicle in there Cam
[1:20:18] right to it all in and the
[1:20:21] maintenance out there They've
[1:20:21] done a great job. We
[1:20:22] appreciate what you've And
[1:20:25] thank you, Michelle Lee, for
[1:20:26] they didn't charge. It's all
[1:20:27] on them to they've done it.
[1:20:28] I've just been there to
[1:20:28] support him.
[1:20:42] >> So
[1:20:44] >> our next fund is page to 21
[1:20:48] in your work, folks. It's the
[1:20:50] driver Education Safety Trust
[1:20:51] Fund established as a result
[1:20:54] of Florida statute. 3, 18.1,
[1:20:55] 2, 1, 5, the Dorie Slosberg
[1:20:59] Driver Education Safety Act.
[1:21:01] The proposed budget for fiscal
[1:21:06] year 26. 27 is $153,745, which
[1:21:22] is a 2.0 2% increase.
[1:21:22] >> It's still don't have any
[1:21:27] cars right? This is a special
[1:21:28] revenue fund, correct. There
[1:21:30] is no cost to the county.
[1:21:31] Those were there and have a
[1:21:32] new automobile says that the
[1:21:33] one that we have its driver,
[1:21:34] safety education and the name
[1:21:35] of the automobiles. According
[1:21:39] to this, you can't.
[1:21:39] >> Receive the funds
[1:21:40] initiative 30% of the students
[1:21:41] time being spent and the
[1:21:44] weave. Guess it's a no go
[1:21:48] then. School doesn't have
[1:21:52] cars. And if you read your
[1:21:53] requirements here, you that
[1:21:57] had 30%. Behind the wheel. I
[1:22:01] don't know what the electronic
[1:22:05] things you're sitting in.
[1:22:08] >> And Melissa Layer I don't
[1:22:09] know if it know that's
[1:22:11] something I even as as behind
[1:22:12] the wheel. More the center
[1:22:13] later, is that remember, that
[1:22:13] was explained couple. Maybe
[1:22:18] they have I just always stuff.
[1:22:20] That was a big. The big toast
[1:22:24] of We didn't have any course
[1:22:29] for drivers, education. We
[1:22:30] might leave that one You we
[1:22:35] don't know your stories. Know.
[1:22:38] Okay. MISS Lisa. Our next fun
[1:22:45] is court innovation.
[1:22:46] >> So these are court costs
[1:22:47] imposed by county ordinance
[1:22:51] 2004, Dash 0, 5, to establish
[1:22:52] and maintain innovation and
[1:22:54] supplemental court funding
[1:22:56] trust fund the remaining
[1:22:57] balances of the law Library,
[1:22:59] legal aid and teen court funds
[1:23:01] are transferred to court
[1:23:03] innovations. A portion of the
[1:23:04] court administration budget is
[1:23:07] budgeted in this fun for
[1:23:08] equipment. So the operating
[1:23:09] cost in this fun or 80,000 for
[1:23:13] fiscal year, 26, 27 capital
[1:23:17] outlay is $18,630, not
[1:23:21] operating as $208,365 for a
[1:23:25] total budget of $306,995. This
[1:23:32] is a 0.6 1% increase.
[1:23:33] >> what are the What type of
[1:23:33] equipment are we talking
[1:23:35] about? Heard the indicate.
[1:23:39] >> They did not know.
[1:23:40] >> This is interesting.
[1:23:42] Equipment out Lee is the same.
[1:23:45] For the last 4 years.
[1:23:48] >> It's the same budget
[1:23:49] request year-over-year.
[1:23:50] Commissioner, like for me to
[1:23:51] have specific information.
[1:23:54] Back to you on that chair.
[1:23:55] Commissioners, I know that
[1:23:57] this fund.
[1:23:58] >> Sometimes is majority. This
[1:24:02] is for security equipment, its
[1:24:06] replacement of the key pads
[1:24:07] cameras, some of that. That's
[1:24:08] that's the majority of what
[1:24:09] I've seen this fund used forth
[1:24:10] because they do come through
[1:24:12] facilities for approval
[1:24:14] whenever they do that. And I
[1:24:15] know that that's part of what
[1:24:16] this is used for, ok? I'm
[1:24:17] trying to understand who
[1:24:20] housing get approved. What is
[1:24:22] what is it used for?
[1:24:23] >> Because it's just odd that
[1:24:24] it has the same amount every
[1:24:27] single year.
[1:24:28] >> I will state that my
[1:24:29] predecessor put in play that
[1:24:30] they have to have that
[1:24:31] approved through facilities
[1:24:34] before they can make those
[1:24:35] purchases. And jj and staff
[1:24:38] have done a really good job of
[1:24:39] making sure that when those
[1:24:40] things come up come about that
[1:24:44] they do it so and and there's
[1:24:45] some years that it doesn't get
[1:24:48] used to just it's just they
[1:24:48] budget and they don't use it.
[1:24:50] So it's it's based off of the
[1:24:52] need. They're doing repairs on
[1:24:55] buildings. It's only security
[1:24:56] stuff. They are responsible
[1:24:57] for part of the security and
[1:25:02] this covers that security. But
[1:25:03] we it's it's all it related
[1:25:06] security stuff. Cameras that
[1:25:07] keep at all that they did. It
[1:25:08] handles that for pretty much
[1:25:09] that contract for county wide
[1:25:11] on anything. It's under their
[1:25:20] contract. Anything else. Game
[1:25:26] is Lisa.
[1:25:28] >> Next we have the legal a
[1:25:29] trust fund that this accounts
[1:25:31] for the $5 filing fee for
[1:25:32] civil actions filed in the
[1:25:33] county court, a $10 filing fee
[1:25:37] for civil actions filed in the
[1:25:38] circuit court and a $5 fee for
[1:25:42] all probate cases. This fund
[1:25:43] provides legal aid services to
[1:25:45] residents of the county and
[1:25:46] assist in providing legal
[1:25:49] services to indigent residents
[1:25:50] of other county when the venue
[1:25:51] is located in Okeechobee
[1:25:53] County per ordinance. 2004
[1:25:57] Dash, 0, 5, The total proposed
[1:26:00] budget for fiscal year 26, 27
[1:26:05] for operating is $12,535 for
[1:26:08] Non-operating is $1454 for a
[1:26:12] total budget of $13,989. This
[1:26:14] is a flat budget over the
[1:26:16] prior fiscal year. And we do
[1:26:16] have a representative here
[1:26:21] from the legal a trust fund.
[1:26:25] >> Commissioner than Farden.
[1:26:25] In Florida waiting patiently
[1:26:26] it Florida ruled legal
[1:26:30] services or is here to pretty
[1:26:33] much answer any questions. We
[1:26:34] were requesting remain the
[1:26:37] same. We were looking to
[1:26:41] utilize the funds they managed
[1:26:45] to increase our attention
[1:26:46] across the matter. Over the
[1:26:49] past, we have seen an increase
[1:26:51] and the amount traffic from
[1:26:55] Okeechobee residents. We had
[1:26:56] 187 calls last year. We that
[1:26:58] number that the 2.20 6 this
[1:27:01] year, as you mentioned
[1:27:02] earlier, CHAIRMAN, that there
[1:27:05] had been a increase and
[1:27:06] foreclosure is that of an Our
[1:27:12] clients are. Methinks
[1:27:14] survivors. We are very
[1:27:16] passionate about we are
[1:27:16] increases due financial
[1:27:19] constraints. We that our funds
[1:27:24] remains there. Gary new didn't
[1:27:28] ask me to say hello to.
[1:27:35] >> You can do all that on.
[1:27:36] $14,000. We actually use our
[1:27:36] county money, federal funding
[1:27:40] where lse funded as well?
[1:27:46] >> So this is we try to use
[1:27:49] >> federal or state funding
[1:27:50] before even reach into the But
[1:27:52] but that is there for.
[1:27:53] >> Specifically for our county
[1:27:56] residents.
[1:28:01] >> That makes a lot more sense
[1:28:07] than Tony can would like it. I
[1:28:13] argue Other questions Thank
[1:28:15] you very much. Thank you for
[1:28:16] coming to Who get it where you
[1:28:21] come from. I came from poor
[1:28:22] things. Okay. I actually feel
[1:28:25] good town or ok? Thank you
[1:28:26] very much. Have a safe trip
[1:28:34] going home.
[1:28:35] >> Next one is teen court,
[1:28:36] which is page to 33 and your
[1:28:44] budget workbook. Senate bill.
[1:28:46] Not 2, 9, 6, 2 of the 2004
[1:28:47] legislative session allowed
[1:28:48] for the circuit court in
[1:28:49] counties to use accumulated
[1:28:51] teen court money until its
[1:28:53] depleted Okeechobee County
[1:28:55] collects fees for teen court
[1:28:56] and juvenile programs.
[1:28:57] Pursuant to Florida Statute,
[1:29:01] 9, 3, 9, 0.1, 8, 5, the clerk
[1:29:03] of court less the 5% income to
[1:29:04] the clerk per county
[1:29:08] ordinance. 9, 6, Dash 0, 5,
[1:29:09] This program is under the
[1:29:10] supervision of the Florida
[1:29:11] Department of Juvenile
[1:29:12] Justice. Partnering with other
[1:29:16] agencies in the community. The
[1:29:17] total Budget Ques request for
[1:29:21] this fiscal year is $13,988,
[1:29:21] which is a flat budget over
[1:29:26] the prior year. Self
[1:29:32] explanatory. They will said,
[1:29:33] ok, what's next? MISS Lisa?
[1:29:34] Our next fund is our special
[1:29:38] grants. Fun. Which is page to
[1:29:42] 37 in your budget Workbook. So
[1:29:44] this fun, the majority of
[1:29:45] funding prior to the current
[1:29:47] fiscal year was from Cares.
[1:29:49] Act. The American Rescue Plan
[1:29:52] Act and House Bill 3, the
[1:29:53] majority of this funding now
[1:29:55] comes from House Bill 3 for
[1:29:57] law enforcement. As you can
[1:29:58] see, our current non operating
[1:30:04] costs for this budget. Our
[1:30:05] 2 million, 303,440 dollars for
[1:30:06] a total budget of the same,
[1:30:07] which is a flat budget over
[1:30:13] the prior year.
[1:30:14] >> Which was a cash balance
[1:30:16] forward or to come from.
[1:30:17] >> So the cash balance. Ford
[1:30:20] is a projection for the ending
[1:30:22] fund balance that's usually
[1:30:23] provided in our financial
[1:30:23] budget and are sorry in our
[1:30:27] annual financial report. We
[1:30:29] are projecting based on our
[1:30:30] prior year as our current
[1:30:31] audit is still in progress,
[1:30:34] ok?
[1:30:35] >> That's what I thought it
[1:30:35] was from the audit. So you
[1:30:36] haven't read is up. Yes, sir.
[1:30:46] Okay. Ok, Lisa?
[1:30:48] >> Our next fund is with
[1:30:49] MISTER Nelson. It is the solid
[1:30:55] waste management. Fun one. 33.
[1:31:02] Well, good morning again,
[1:31:03] >> as
[1:31:04] >> you're seeing here is a
[1:31:07] solid waste, which is fun one.
[1:31:08] 33 personnel services has a
[1:31:15] reduction of $2149, which is a
[1:31:17] 1.5 9% decrease operating
[1:31:18] expenses has a reduction of
[1:31:21] $1415, which is a point 9, 0%,
[1:31:27] decrease. Capital outlay, as
[1:31:28] you see, would be 100%
[1:31:29] decrease based off for years
[1:31:32] we have no capital, no capital
[1:31:33] purchases for this year. And
[1:31:37] this fund.
[1:31:40] >> Other than that, our total
[1:31:41] total expanding budget
[1:31:43] increase due to non
[1:31:44] operational.
[1:31:47] >> Of $17,499, which is a
[1:31:53] change of 1.0, 3, 0%. And then
[1:31:53] progress. As you can see,
[1:31:55] we've the capital items we
[1:31:56] have uncovered this year that
[1:32:00] are moving forward is the the
[1:32:00] new the maintenance building
[1:32:03] or storage building. We did
[1:32:04] purchase truck out of this
[1:32:06] account this year. That helps
[1:32:10] us with that kind downfall.
[1:32:12] Are that that backup from the
[1:32:14] solid waste, of course, with
[1:32:16] the the issues we have with
[1:32:17] the dumpsters and everything
[1:32:20] else to be able to get out and
[1:32:21] inspect those. And then the
[1:32:23] also we have the what we call
[1:32:27] the solid waste office and
[1:32:28] storage building that
[1:32:29] acclimate, a storage building
[1:32:30] renovation is also and
[1:32:32] progress.
[1:32:36] >> who's the 0? One person?
[1:32:39] It's my salary that you're so
[1:32:41] yes, sir. Yeah. So maybe had
[1:32:42] some Byron around here was
[1:32:43] very small. No, No, sir. A
[1:32:45] portion of my salary comes out
[1:32:46] of almost every department
[1:32:53] underneath self. He's in this
[1:32:57] working that
[1:32:58] >> Well, going to be working
[1:32:58] Just struck me as funny.
[1:32:59] Funny. It's appoint one
[1:33:01] person. So I'm like.
[1:33:02] >> I felt told us because of
[1:33:07] the claiming this of the
[1:33:08] landfill we didn't have to
[1:33:08] testing near me more. Is i
[1:33:13] wrong or not? Russell? Have to
[1:33:14] I didn't hear you chair. I
[1:33:17] felt that we didn't have to to
[1:33:17] Landfield anymore. I thought
[1:33:18] we had that. Clean bill of
[1:33:23] health. There. I just was some
[1:33:25] of the old landfill tips that
[1:33:26] we still have do testing at
[1:33:27] that. You told us we got
[1:33:28] 10,000 here for that. Well,
[1:33:33] if. The county just last if
[1:33:35] the county ever decides to
[1:33:38] >> go in there and
[1:33:39] >> you know, do a site plan or
[1:33:42] do things too. To stir the cap
[1:33:46] landfill? We would be required
[1:33:47] to do testing, ok? So he's got
[1:33:49] Nikkei. Should we do that? As
[1:33:50] long as we don't touch it, we
[1:33:53] It. And maintain the
[1:33:56] appearance of it. But won't
[1:33:57] you stick a shovel in the
[1:33:59] dirt? Then? The people come
[1:34:03] back choir to the test.
[1:34:04] >> So you just have it.
[1:34:04] There's an insurance policy.
[1:34:05] And that what we're doing?
[1:34:09] Yes, Thank you, sir. I got a
[1:34:10] question Russell Stiller. He
[1:34:13] MAY know. A few years ago we
[1:34:14] were still waiting on getting
[1:34:15] paid from fema for some
[1:34:18] hurricane cleanup. We ever.
[1:34:27] Did we ever get paid for that?
[1:34:28] Want to say maybe DECEMBER
[1:34:31] last funded final close eye on
[1:34:32] As far as know, we got all our
[1:34:35] funding for Irma. Completed
[1:34:39] the sign off on And just to to
[1:34:44] close out on it. Monday. So we
[1:34:49] should have almost 9 a 5 to 90
[1:34:53] 6% of all our money for
[1:34:53] >> This was something it's
[1:34:54] like, oh, maybe it was 10 or
[1:34:56] 15 years ago or something. And
[1:34:57] we still hadn't been renew
[1:35:00] rated for expenses from fema.
[1:35:01] We talked about it several
[1:35:04] times. So evidently one of
[1:35:07] those hurricanes we've there
[1:35:08] so can you not there's
[1:35:11] Francis. That's all I know.
[1:35:11] >> According to all the
[1:35:15] information and I see of fame,
[1:35:17] we have been been reimbursed
[1:35:17] for everything sense. You
[1:35:21] know, 2004. Those are they're
[1:35:25] still working on Milton
[1:35:29] >> but that that is that's
[1:35:29] almost complete as well as
[1:35:32] just waiting on them, too.
[1:35:32] Reimburse or other 50% of
[1:35:35] cost. So it sounds like
[1:35:37] answers. Pretty close to us
[1:35:41] that.
[1:35:42] >> Just good. For a few years
[1:35:43] ago, we were like what pretty
[1:35:44] big chunk of our member
[1:35:49] correctly that from fema.
[1:35:51] >> The only thing I can think
[1:35:55] of is with Hurricane Irma.
[1:35:56] When the structure up on 300th
[1:35:57] and Fort Drum Bucs forward.
[1:36:01] That was up there. It billowed
[1:36:06] out and we put in to have it,
[1:36:07] you know, get reimbursement
[1:36:10] only on the repairs. And it
[1:36:11] was like little over 1 million
[1:36:18] dollars. Based One theme of
[1:36:20] for the national informations.
[1:36:22] For that repair. They wanted
[1:36:26] to see 15 years of bridge
[1:36:27] reports and how the county
[1:36:32] maintained. Well, based on the
[1:36:33] 5 year, the every 5 years a
[1:36:34] bridge report was done. And
[1:36:38] there was some. Issues that
[1:36:39] appeared in the bridge
[1:36:41] reports. That fema used
[1:36:46] against us. Justify them not
[1:36:47] having to pay us for the
[1:36:49] repairs. Of the hurricane.
[1:36:53] Damage due I made several
[1:36:56] appeals. And they continue to
[1:36:59] deny it and staff Mathis, we
[1:37:01] worked on it. He helped me
[1:37:05] with. Language to try to
[1:37:11] justify the reimbursement and
[1:37:12] help us. I total project we
[1:37:16] got to. Well, $60,000 and
[1:37:19] emergency repairs. All right.
[1:37:25] Thank you, sir. Yes, should
[1:37:28] have went there.
[1:37:29] >> It meant that moment that
[1:37:32] day that she too, to sell. She
[1:37:39] told us water flows Yeah. And
[1:37:52] a last chance. Yeah, let's
[1:37:57] We've got 2 more. And will get
[1:38:01] over to the other part?
[1:38:02] >> Just and I are doing a
[1:38:03] little back and forth this
[1:38:05] morning for you. We can tell
[1:38:06] we're at the Crime for
[1:38:07] Prevention Fund, which is to
[1:38:11] 47 in your work book pursuant
[1:38:13] to Section 7, 7, 5, 0, 8, 3
[1:38:16] Florida statute port cost for
[1:38:18] this fun are assessed and
[1:38:19] collected in each instance of
[1:38:22] a defendant. But please, no lo
[1:38:24] contender or is convicted of
[1:38:25] or delinquent of a felony or
[1:38:25] misdemeanor for a traffic
[1:38:29] offense. The county in
[1:38:30] consultation with the sheriff
[1:38:31] expense these funds for crime
[1:38:33] prevention programs in the
[1:38:34] county, including Safe
[1:38:35] neighborhood programs.
[1:38:36] Pursuant to Florida Statute.
[1:38:41] 1, 6, 3.5, 0, 1, So this fund
[1:38:45] has a non operating cost of
[1:38:46] $247,632. And the total budget
[1:38:50] is the same for a 3.0. 4, 1%,
[1:38:51] increase over the prior fiscal
[1:38:54] year.
[1:38:58] >> Lisa, if defenses, $250,000
[1:39:01] is crime prevention. What
[1:39:04] would it cost levy a crime?
[1:39:05] >> I'm sure a significant
[1:39:06] deal. Blunt. We might want
[1:39:10] look at that. But okay with
[1:39:11] this thank you, ma'am. You're
[1:39:14] welcome. Next, we have Justin
[1:39:21] with Fleet Services. Yeah. See
[1:39:30] it now. I haven't from you our
[1:39:30] fleet services which would be
[1:39:33] one, 35 dash, 8, 4,
[1:39:35] >> So in front of you, as you
[1:39:37] say, the personnel that is up,
[1:39:38] there is not correct. It
[1:39:42] somehow we pulled a person out
[1:39:43] of that. But the personnel
[1:39:46] isn't an increase of 5.0, 6,
[1:39:49] 3%, based off of the true
[1:39:54] numbers operating expenses is
[1:39:55] 89,008, 30, which is a
[1:39:59] reduction of 5,700 and $39,
[1:40:02] which is a reduction of 6.1
[1:40:04] 6.0 1% capital outlay. We do
[1:40:07] have some increases this year.
[1:40:08] As you all know, the
[1:40:09] electrical upgrades has been
[1:40:12] rolling forward. Multiple,
[1:40:13] multiple years.
[1:40:14] >> We really are trying to
[1:40:14] focus on getting that project
[1:40:18] completed this year with the
[1:40:18] full design. We're hoping we
[1:40:19] can get it done within the
[1:40:21] dollar amounts. We have
[1:40:25] allocated to that. So you do
[1:40:26] see an increase there based
[1:40:28] off of that 32,000 that you
[1:40:28] show in the previous year was
[1:40:31] for that project and just a
[1:40:34] roll forward to this year. So
[1:40:35] it's just reallocating that so
[1:40:35] that did not get expense last
[1:40:41] year. Under Non-operating.
[1:40:43] We've got to balance showing
[1:40:46] their of 665,007 88, which is
[1:40:52] an increase of $4. Pretty 0%
[1:40:54] increase. So in total net
[1:40:58] decrease of 1.0, 5, 5%.
[1:40:58] >> You had a pretty good bump
[1:41:05] on your insurance this year.
[1:41:08] Any reason want shop
[1:41:08] liability? I can guarantee you
[1:41:10] that's probably wasn't.
[1:41:14] There's sure to sign it. Shop
[1:41:16] liability seems to racing at a
[1:41:17] higher rate than most anything
[1:41:20] else. 1.76%. 6,000 booked
[1:41:25] almost. And I'm sure MISS Lisa
[1:41:27] can probably have a little
[1:41:27] better explanation. But I can
[1:41:30] tell you, based off of
[1:41:31] experience, shop liability has
[1:41:34] increased significantly more.
[1:41:35] Because if you're looking back
[1:41:37] to 2023, is only $9700. You're
[1:41:38] up to 20,000.
[1:41:42] >> Now.
[1:41:43] >> Just in this. Get them to
[1:41:45] check on that. Recycling
[1:41:51] Knoll. I thought Jimmy told me
[1:41:52] that he doesn't have to pay
[1:41:54] for them to come. Pick up is I
[1:41:56] can I can find out. But we do
[1:41:58] pay throughout.
[1:42:01] >> The $4,000. I would just
[1:42:02] make sure that you're you
[1:42:03] know, that there's the
[1:42:04] complete awareness that some
[1:42:06] people do have a free pickup
[1:42:10] service.
[1:42:10] >> But their services, not
[1:42:13] adp. Epa approved pickup
[1:42:14] service. And we require that
[1:42:15] for our tracking so that we
[1:42:16] don't have to do is
[1:42:17] environmental to study later
[1:42:18] on because that will trigger
[1:42:22] one. I will say that could be
[1:42:23] some of what we're seeing.
[1:42:24] Very well. Could be good
[1:42:30] answer. Any questions,
[1:42:34] comments. But okay, yes. Thank
[1:42:34] you, Justin. Thank you. You
[1:42:35] keep the wheels. Roland, we
[1:42:36] appreciate what do there. They
[1:42:44] it's good to
[1:42:45] know. There's one think
[1:42:45] there's probably a couple
[1:42:46] meeting. Max orders usually
[1:42:52] law. As Jessica. We have to
[1:42:53] sit up straighter now pay
[1:42:54] attention
[1:42:56] >> good morning. Good morning.
[1:42:59] I'm going to see this.
[1:43:00] >> All the way through since I
[1:43:02] impact fees started.
[1:43:06] >> With me and next here
[1:43:07] during the proposed budget
[1:43:07] will have the department or
[1:43:11] MISS Lisa present on it. And
[1:43:12] so the next 8 funds are going
[1:43:15] to review the impact fee
[1:43:18] categories due to the Florida
[1:43:22] chart of accounts, there was a
[1:43:23] reporting update in fiscal
[1:43:27] year 2019, 2020, which added
[1:43:28] additional requirements to the
[1:43:31] dl code and fund reporting
[1:43:34] guidelines. So you'll see
[1:43:39] throughout that. There's quite
[1:43:41] a few gl accounts with impact
[1:43:42] fees. There's over 60 Gla
[1:43:45] counts.
[1:43:45] >> Each.
[1:43:46] >> Fun is going to be specific
[1:43:49] to that category. So, for
[1:43:50] instance, for corrections, we
[1:44:00] have. We see. So I'll kind of
[1:44:03] give you an idea on what it
[1:44:04] entails. The first 6 numbers
[1:44:08] are the impact fee itself. So
[1:44:09] that identifies the category
[1:44:14] and the fund within you have
[1:44:16] the funding. You have the
[1:44:16] impact. Fees are their own
[1:44:20] department, which is 54. Then
[1:44:21] you have the uniform chart of
[1:44:22] accounts gl series in those
[1:44:25] first 6 digits. Identify the
[1:44:26] impact fees. So that's whether
[1:44:30] its residential commercial and
[1:44:31] then the type if it falls
[1:44:32] within public safety, physical
[1:44:33] environment, transportation,
[1:44:36] so on and so forth, the
[1:44:37] remaining 4 digits. So the
[1:44:41] next 2 digits identify what's
[1:44:42] called the dwelling code. So
[1:44:43] it's the specific purpose. So
[1:44:46] is it office building, a
[1:44:47] residential building
[1:44:48] educational building? This is
[1:44:51] all again, part of the uniform
[1:44:52] chart of accounts. And then
[1:44:54] the last 2 digits identify the
[1:44:56] How it's being multiplied. Is
[1:45:00] it based on? Is it based on
[1:45:02] square footage? Is it based on
[1:45:03] room? So that's that gives you
[1:45:05] a overview on how this do you
[1:45:09] have so. Next year we will
[1:45:12] have more of a detail on what
[1:45:15] has in terms of the impact
[1:45:16] fees themselves. But for this
[1:45:17] budget year, we're only
[1:45:19] budgeting each individual. 9
[1:45:23] item by one impact fee. So,
[1:45:24] for instance, for corrections,
[1:45:26] you'll see that yells listed
[1:45:28] there. That's one impact fee
[1:45:31] amount for each of those gl
[1:45:33] We're budgeting for fiscal
[1:45:35] year. 26, 27, 16,802. And
[1:45:36] since this is a new account,
[1:45:39] there's no percentage increase
[1:45:41] or decrease. We are working to
[1:45:42] hopefully have an update on
[1:45:43] Friday on where we're at
[1:45:44] currently with the collection
[1:45:47] of impact fees regarding the
[1:45:49] county and the city because we
[1:45:50] have been collect collecting
[1:45:53] impact fee since MAY 14th. So
[1:45:57] any questions on? Corrections?
[1:45:59] The bill stands for General
[1:46:01] Ledger. Yes, okay. Thank I'm
[1:46:04] going to be the same. Aren't
[1:46:04] they?
[1:46:06] >> Yes, sir. So the next 8
[1:46:08] again, just each individual
[1:46:09] line item is just one impact
[1:46:11] fee within that specific
[1:46:15] category.
[1:46:18] >> How we come in with the are
[1:46:19] they collecting? Yeah. So
[1:46:20] we've worked together
[1:46:21] collaboratively to implement a
[1:46:24] process. We've created a
[1:46:26] >> form and calculator for
[1:46:27] them too, for their reporting
[1:46:30] structure as well. And they've
[1:46:32] been actively communicating
[1:46:33] with community development on
[1:46:34] updates and impact fees that
[1:46:38] they're collecting.
[1:46:38] >> Has that word that people
[1:46:40] write the check to the city
[1:46:41] and then the city accumulates
[1:46:41] in sense. That does yes, sir.
[1:46:46] So we'll have some but would
[1:46:48] have somebody what you to with
[1:46:49] So right now the city collects
[1:46:50] the full impact fee and the
[1:46:53] full 3% administration fee.
[1:46:53] >> And then they retain the
[1:46:57] 1.5%. Due to them. And the
[1:47:01] rest comes to the county that
[1:47:02] the 3% does not. In addition
[1:47:03] to the impact fees is is
[1:47:05] portion of its additional
[1:47:08] fortune, says additional. It's
[1:47:13] 103%. Yes.
[1:47:14] >> And the only change that
[1:47:14] you'll see within these
[1:47:17] accounts, as we do have to add
[1:47:18] the gl for the administrative
[1:47:20] fees. So will be budgeting
[1:47:23] that through these next couple
[1:47:23] funds as we move forward
[1:47:24] through the budgeting process
[1:47:27] of the final budget work. But
[1:47:30] >> any questions, comments. So
[1:47:31] that a curse on the way
[1:47:41] through. All of to 47.
[1:47:44] >> So debt service 203 is
[1:47:44] where we will be next. Unless
[1:47:46] you have any questions on the
[1:47:47] other ones. Yours was
[1:47:52] shortest.
[1:47:53] >> Around issues go carries
[1:47:53] all the way through get there
[1:47:55] and cheat.
[1:47:56] >> I think the just endure end
[1:47:58] of longest. I feel like as
[1:48:02] true today. Yes.
[1:48:02] >> They make make you MR. Not
[1:48:04] be the overall longest.
[1:48:09] >> Okay. MISS Lisa.
[1:48:10] >> Our next fund that we will
[1:48:12] be discussing is our debt
[1:48:13] service fund which should be
[1:48:13] page to 91 in your budget
[1:48:24] workbook. So the current year
[1:48:25] proposed budget for our debt
[1:48:28] services. I wait for you all
[1:48:29] to get there. Now you find
[1:48:32] that said their fight.
[1:48:38] >> Is 1 million, $511,552 are
[1:48:40] non operating costs are
[1:48:40] $234,199.
[1:48:44] >> For a total budget of
[1:48:47] 1 million, $745,751. It's
[1:48:51] important to note here the
[1:48:54] decrease of 33% over the prior
[1:48:55] fiscal year is due to the fact
[1:48:58] that we pay this fund down
[1:48:59] with a million dollars from
[1:49:00] the landfill truss. And this
[1:49:03] was a recommendation from our
[1:49:04] outgoing county administrator
[1:49:06] to save the county quite a bit
[1:49:08] of money and interest over the
[1:49:11] term of this pollen payment.
[1:49:12] >> Going away. Present from
[1:49:16] Debby is at And so that it be
[1:49:17] MAY be a good one of our bonds
[1:49:20] is that we're down to one now.
[1:49:21] >> So we still have the 2
[1:49:22] bonds, but it eliminated quite
[1:49:24] a bit of interest that we will
[1:49:27] be paying on the beeb they are
[1:49:27] Yes, We paid it down. We
[1:49:31] didn't pay it off. Do it.
[1:49:32] >> Do we still have about And
[1:49:35] you pay it if we.
[1:49:37] >> We only could utilize the
[1:49:40] bond pre payment schedule if
[1:49:41] we received an act that was in
[1:49:41] alignment with what our
[1:49:45] defeats schedule is and those
[1:49:46] would have defeat since.
[1:49:48] That's what it's called to the
[1:49:52] fees on the deceased. Know So
[1:49:55] season's would require us to
[1:49:57] receive grant funding or a
[1:49:58] legislative appropriation for
[1:50:00] that specific projects. That's
[1:50:02] the project is completed. I do
[1:50:03] anticipate we'll be able to
[1:50:06] pay down the bonds any longer.
[1:50:07] >> After what we've said about
[1:50:08] the governor that's going to
[1:50:15] happen was like, oh, Florida.
[1:50:20] We could just.
[1:50:21] >> Any questions about that
[1:50:26] service. Our next fund is
[1:50:27] capital improvement projects.
[1:50:28] And I'll turn this over to MR.
[1:50:39] Nelson.
[1:50:43] >> Back in front of you again.
[1:50:44] In our capital improvements,
[1:50:47] as you can see, there's under
[1:50:49] under capital outlay. You see
[1:50:52] a $60,000 that it that is are
[1:50:53] surveying services that are
[1:50:58] provided through Cip that we
[1:50:58] budget for every year.
[1:50:59] Normally we expense every
[1:51:02] dollar that. So the majority
[1:51:05] of those are for survey items
[1:51:08] that are needed for pre grant
[1:51:10] applications pretty
[1:51:10] improvement projects. Before
[1:51:11] we get into the design phase
[1:51:14] or we get into something where
[1:51:17] we need to execute a full
[1:51:18] design. There is a lot of
[1:51:19] survey work that normally
[1:51:23] comes ahead of those items. So
[1:51:24] that's not a majority of what
[1:51:24] that funding and you is used
[1:51:29] for. So moving forward from
[1:51:32] there, if you see under
[1:51:33] capital projects projected
[1:51:38] this year, we've got $1018.68,
[1:51:39] which is a reduction from the
[1:51:46] previous year of 8. 81.9 5%.
[1:51:47] So non-operating. There's an
[1:51:51] increase of 4,280 and that is
[1:51:54] an increase of 67 point to 3%.
[1:51:55] So the total budget coming
[1:52:01] into this year's 11 million,
[1:52:02] 11 million, 275,881 dollars,
[1:52:03] which is a net decrease of
[1:52:12] 2.8, 2%.
[1:52:13] >> One of the things just and
[1:52:13] you MAY want to emphasize is
[1:52:16] that when people look at the
[1:52:18] some of this money that you're
[1:52:20] spending on capital
[1:52:20] improvements. Most some of
[1:52:23] that are all of this under.
[1:52:25] Been received via grants,
[1:52:26] correct.
[1:52:27] >> a significant amount of
[1:52:30] money is in their areas as
[1:52:32] grants. And also when, you
[1:52:32] know, I think from the
[1:52:35] public's perspective. It
[1:52:39] appears when you look a total
[1:52:39] budget dollar amount of
[1:52:42] 11 million dollars, the public
[1:52:43] looks at that is we are
[1:52:43] expensing 11 million dollars.
[1:52:50] That is not. We have 1 million
[1:52:52] $78,000 in total expenditures
[1:52:53] that are allocated a budget
[1:52:55] for this year. It's the cash
[1:52:57] balance forward and
[1:52:59] non-operating. The kind of
[1:53:00] gives the appearance that
[1:53:02] there's large amount of money
[1:53:03] being expensive capital.
[1:53:06] That's not really being
[1:53:06] expenses. Covered. Other
[1:53:10] words, yes, right. So just,
[1:53:10] you know, sometimes they're
[1:53:12] looking at things. They like
[1:53:13] what you spent, you know,
[1:53:15] 6 million last year, whatever
[1:53:16] it says, it appears 12 million
[1:53:17] last year. They look at that.
[1:53:19] So, you know, I think
[1:53:19] sometimes it's just a little
[1:53:21] bit of clarification of what
[1:53:22] the actual dollar amount, this
[1:53:30] budget number this year. Some
[1:53:32] of those items, like I said is
[1:53:34] we've we've got that are
[1:53:37] moving into the next year.
[1:53:38] Would be, you know, the clip
[1:53:40] that spark will have that
[1:53:42] money. Encumbered this year is
[1:53:44] our hope. We're working on
[1:53:45] trying to get that finished up
[1:53:48] contract back and forth. But
[1:53:49] moving into next year, you'll
[1:53:51] see that the Douglas Brown
[1:53:51] restroom renovations as one of
[1:53:53] the items we have budgeted for
[1:53:55] next year. And then we'll be
[1:53:56] working for day out towards
[1:53:59] the fire station. 4
[1:54:00] professional services and
[1:54:03] improvements. So those those
[1:54:04] items will star see moving
[1:54:05] coming into the next budget
[1:54:10] year.
[1:54:11] >> Just touching on the
[1:54:12] projected cash balance
[1:54:15] forward. That is one of the
[1:54:17] items that going to true up
[1:54:19] the value once the audit is
[1:54:21] complete. And so there could
[1:54:23] be a change are likely to be a
[1:54:23] change due to the amount of
[1:54:24] projects that were completed
[1:54:27] this fiscal year or that
[1:54:31] fiscal year of 24. 25 so just
[1:54:31] we will provide updates once
[1:54:32] the audit is complete, but
[1:54:34] just wanted to to let you know
[1:54:35] that that's still not a true
[1:54:39] true value. There.
[1:54:40] >> What is the interest,
[1:54:40] including profit work? Where
[1:54:44] is it coming from? Which under
[1:54:59] miscellaneous second lawn.
[1:55:04] >> We will.
[1:55:05] >> Provide an update on Friday
[1:55:11] on with that. Includes.
[1:55:11] >> Justin does have anything
[1:55:15] do with these services all in
[1:55:16] Rolla and did not need to hear
[1:55:24] from stepping back. Yeah, MR.
[1:55:26] Ridley, tell us all the good
[1:55:27] things you're doing more just
[1:55:28] the county's projects from
[1:55:28] concept to close out into an
[1:55:34] operation. When I came on is
[1:55:34] The construction manager. I
[1:55:36] thought that was the extent of
[1:55:38] it. As I got more involved, I
[1:55:40] see that I get to work with
[1:55:40] all the departments in the
[1:55:45] county. And on this
[1:55:45] exceptional our team supreme.
[1:55:47] When I say that I'm just
[1:55:49] talking about my direct staff,
[1:55:51] it kept improvements know
[1:55:52] Susan Thomas Asiatic as Ida
[1:55:54] status melt. They all the
[1:55:55] great. I'll talk about the
[1:55:58] county as a whole. When I work
[1:55:59] on projects, different
[1:56:00] apartments, fire Department
[1:56:07] road and bridge. Facilities.
[1:56:08] Any development everybody
[1:56:10] steps in and does their part.
[1:56:11] You know, it's like a family
[1:56:14] and I enjoy that. We get these
[1:56:15] projects on the way in we plan
[1:56:19] to. Market started the like
[1:56:24] these and for the public.
[1:56:32] >> budget director, keep you
[1:56:34] in line smile. But nobody is
[1:56:36] saying nobody is safe at that
[1:56:38] podium. You know I know. I'm
[1:56:45] telling dozens Masi like you
[1:56:47] just Miles and obvious that
[1:56:47] perfect do you get she gets to
[1:56:48] brag about a graduate that you
[1:56:51] MAY have in family. So. Yes,
[1:56:54] my daughter, guys way. She's
[1:57:02] Phd. Very
[1:57:05] >> I MAY, I just want to thank
[1:57:08] for for his partnership and
[1:57:09] collaboration with the grants
[1:57:10] Department out with some of
[1:57:13] the changes that we have made
[1:57:15] in grants. I can really see
[1:57:16] the initiative that he's been
[1:57:17] taking, especially wanting to
[1:57:18] learn the software that we
[1:57:20] haven't and understand the
[1:57:22] assurances as well as the the
[1:57:23] weight that a grant carries to
[1:57:24] ensure that all the
[1:57:26] deliverables arm and tasks our
[1:57:27] Matt as well. He's been
[1:57:31] working great with our grant
[1:57:32] specialist in terms of of
[1:57:33] getting that the information
[1:57:34] she needs to do the reporting.
[1:57:37] So just want to thank him for
[1:57:38] stepping up in that manner
[1:57:40] because it is a lot,
[1:57:42] especially with 304, fund. And
[1:57:43] then now taking on the airport
[1:57:44] as as a main point of
[1:57:47] communications. So thank you.
[1:57:48] >> She ate what you do for
[1:57:53] Thank you. Anymore. Questions
[1:58:03] comments about Okay. Onto the
[1:58:04] 304, which is a road
[1:58:09] improvement capital projects.
[1:58:12] >> As you can see, moving
[1:58:15] into.
[1:58:16] >> operational expenses, we
[1:58:17] have 1.5 million dollars
[1:58:19] budgeted this year. That is
[1:58:20] far road improvement. That is
[1:58:21] our paving improvement
[1:58:23] projects that we do every
[1:58:26] single year. That is a
[1:58:26] decrease. But that was based
[1:58:27] off of some changes to the
[1:58:29] board had made the previous
[1:58:34] year. So. Other than that
[1:58:35] under capital outlay our
[1:58:37] capital outlay projects. We
[1:58:40] have 18 million, 752 dollars
[1:58:45] and 8 million, $752,623, which
[1:58:47] is a reduction from the
[1:58:50] previous year of 2 million,
[1:58:51] 902 dollars. And that's a
[1:58:55] 13.4% reduction. And non
[1:58:57] operating. We have a change
[1:59:02] from 1.5, 9, 5, That's a
[1:59:06] change to 1 million, 18 7.57,
[1:59:07] which is a reduction of our
[1:59:10] non-operating by 576,000,
[1:59:11] which is another reduction of
[1:59:15] 36%. So total budget this year
[1:59:16] for for that department, which
[1:59:20] would be 21 million sept.
[1:59:24] 21 million, $271. $30338,
[1:59:26] which is total reduction of 14
[1:59:31] point 1, 0%. And for the
[1:59:33] record, these are restricted
[1:59:35] fund. See, yes, sir, to be
[1:59:36] used for restricted grounds
[1:59:39] and 99% of projects besides.
[1:59:40] >> The 1.5 million that is out
[1:59:42] of restricted funds are grant
[1:59:45] funded projects these are all
[1:59:50] projects that are funded.
[1:59:51] Their grandson road
[1:59:52] improvement. Yes, or road
[1:59:54] improvements. Road
[1:59:55] improvements. Signals ation
[1:59:56] improvements. Those types
[2:00:00] projects. Any questions,
[2:00:05] comments. And as and as we
[2:00:06] move through the year, you'll
[2:00:07] probably see some more
[2:00:08] amendments to this budget for
[2:00:10] some other ones that are and
[2:00:11] the works right now that we're
[2:00:15] talking with fdot. About. So
[2:00:16] they MAY be some projects that
[2:00:16] are not budgeted, of course,
[2:00:18] is we've we've talked about
[2:00:20] previously not budgeting for
[2:00:21] projects until we have to
[2:00:23] grant in place. There is some
[2:00:25] grant applications out there
[2:00:26] right now that this department
[2:00:27] would handle. And that's for
[2:00:34] some other capital outlays.
[2:00:35] Apparently I'm going to finish
[2:00:43] it out. So moving into the for
[2:00:44] a one 20 I'll take it
[2:00:45] normally. Denise takes us one.
[2:00:47] I'll go ahead and take it now
[2:00:50] because this is a parks and
[2:00:51] recreation site. Was through
[2:00:54] She said she was done some
[2:00:58] going to take up a
[2:01:02] >> in the 4, 0, 21. There's no
[2:01:05] personnel services operating
[2:01:06] expenses for that for that
[2:01:09] site or for that part of that
[2:01:15] site has increased to 54,000,
[2:01:16] 2.59. And that is a change in
[2:01:21] increase of 9.3, 1% from the
[2:01:21] previous year. That total
[2:01:24] total budget increase would be
[2:01:27] 9.3, 1%. That is a total
[2:01:28] budget and the authority of
[2:01:30] that is just the utilities in
[2:01:30] operation to keep that
[2:01:32] facility up and running. There
[2:01:34] is some revenue that comes in
[2:01:36] there. But of course, we know
[2:01:39] we're doing that on a
[2:01:39] month-to-month basis depending
[2:01:44] on this when the sale comes a
[2:01:45] kind of problem have of the
[2:01:45] best rooms there that they
[2:01:48] vandalized. Those very bad.
[2:01:49] >> We barely have operational
[2:01:50] bathrooms there. We have quit
[2:01:54] making repairs at that site
[2:01:56] because as we replace a
[2:01:56] replace urinals are replaced
[2:01:57] toilets. When we come back,
[2:02:00] they're busted off. We don't
[2:02:00] even have dividers in the
[2:02:03] men's restroom at all. So the
[2:02:03] toilet is just sitting out in
[2:02:05] the wide open because every
[2:02:09] time we replace it, it gets
[2:02:12] vandalized. We did some. We
[2:02:13] actually took some material
[2:02:14] out. Another restroom moved it
[2:02:16] over there. Did some repairs
[2:02:17] year or so ago and then they
[2:02:20] got vandalized again. We
[2:02:21] pretty much or more running on
[2:02:25] minimal operations. There. So
[2:02:26] it's it's got a point where we
[2:02:27] just were not making repairs
[2:02:29] there because it was too
[2:02:33] costly. We did not have the
[2:02:33] budgetary dollars and then
[2:02:36] even in the vacant buildings,
[2:02:37] we get a significant amount of
[2:02:37] vandalism. They have broke
[2:02:39] into the old restaurant
[2:02:41] building pretty much on a
[2:02:43] monthly basis were back over
[2:02:43] the re securing that building,
[2:02:44] cutting through the roof to
[2:02:47] get into it. I mean, from
[2:02:48] every which way the every
[2:02:48] window and it's been busted
[2:02:49] out, they've cut through the
[2:02:52] roof to get in. It's
[2:02:53] significant. The amount of
[2:02:55] vandalism that happens at that
[2:02:57] site. We've decided even if we
[2:02:59] shut this down, we can't shut
[2:03:00] package that down because its
[2:03:01] services, Scott driver. You're
[2:03:03] exactly right, sir.
[2:03:04] >> Yes, its services, Scott
[2:03:05] driver, we cannot shut the
[2:03:07] package plant down. It has to
[2:03:08] be operational.
[2:03:09] >> And and as I stated
[2:03:13] previously and Mondays. You
[2:03:17] know, our utility costs here
[2:03:18] are significantly high based
[2:03:18] off of the Mir size that's
[2:03:19] required to operate that
[2:03:23] facility. That is one of the
[2:03:25] one of the highest expenses at
[2:03:25] that site under the
[2:03:28] operational side.
[2:03:28] >> Could the gate being moved
[2:03:32] from out back? When you go in
[2:03:33] the entrance and turn right
[2:03:35] like you're going to the boat
[2:03:35] ramp, could that be gated,
[2:03:36] right? There's a lot we could
[2:03:38] do. We fenced.
[2:03:39] >> Fenced a lot of the
[2:03:40] facility off last year. The
[2:03:44] Old campground campground, the
[2:03:45] the problem we will have if we
[2:03:47] fence that facility off is
[2:03:51] that we still have. Tenants
[2:03:55] leases going on. So until the
[2:03:56] board says shut it down, shut
[2:03:56] down. As we know the boat
[2:04:01] ramps are shut down. One is do
[2:04:02] low water. Its actually I was
[2:04:07] out there yesterday and the
[2:04:08] water is actually past the
[2:04:11] shear. The sheep, It is
[2:04:12] actually a drop off at the Now
[2:04:14] she pass completely exposed.
[2:04:15] The other 3 ramps. There's a
[2:04:17] significant erosion issue
[2:04:18] underneath those. I've been
[2:04:19] there myself. You can crawl
[2:04:21] underneath the back system
[2:04:22] ramp so they had to be shut
[2:04:24] down due to that.
[2:04:24] >> As the vandalism coming in
[2:04:27] by boat or
[2:04:28] >> No most of it comes in by
[2:04:32] vehicle Yes, sir. Joining by
[2:04:34] vehicle. And we've done a
[2:04:34] really good job. Facilities is
[2:04:37] involved. Parks is involved
[2:04:38] were all involved about trying
[2:04:38] to keep people out. We have
[2:04:41] people who camped there. We've
[2:04:42] put up new signage. Every time
[2:04:44] we put new signs, a tear him
[2:04:45] down. But but I go myself
[2:04:48] every single Monday at 5.30,
[2:04:50] or 6 o'clock in the morning. I
[2:04:51] go down there and I do a drive
[2:04:53] thru. And if somebody is there
[2:04:54] camping overnight, I give
[2:04:56] them. A notice. If there's
[2:04:58] nobody that will answer the
[2:05:00] door. If I get answer the
[2:05:01] door, I will explain to them.
[2:05:01] They cannot do it. There's no
[2:05:04] overnight camping there. They
[2:05:04] cannot be their camping
[2:05:05] overnight because the majority
[2:05:07] of the vandalism is some of
[2:05:08] those people who are living in
[2:05:09] their car. They're down there
[2:05:12] there plugging in. We
[2:05:13] literally have someone that
[2:05:14] we've had to run off multiple
[2:05:15] times who has an extension
[2:05:16] cord plugged into the
[2:05:17] restrooms with the wind, the
[2:05:19] units the window, their car.
[2:05:21] And we've had to run them off
[2:05:21] a few times. And now we're at
[2:05:22] the point where they'll be
[2:05:25] trespassed. What about that?
[2:05:28] Yes, yes. Yeah. Very
[2:05:29] resourceful. They've they've
[2:05:30] come up with some great ideas.
[2:05:34] But I will say that the
[2:05:35] dumping of the dumping of
[2:05:39] trash has gotten much better.
[2:05:40] In the back of the facility.
[2:05:41] We still have the issues of
[2:05:42] trash cans where the people
[2:05:43] come over from Glades that
[2:05:45] just dropped bags of trash
[2:05:46] throughout the weekend in
[2:05:49] front of the trash cans and it
[2:05:50] sometimes it could be
[2:05:51] significant amount of bags of
[2:05:52] trash that come from. And what
[2:05:53] we've learned now, that's
[2:05:54] people who are not paying for
[2:05:55] trash service in Glades County
[2:05:56] coming do charity and dumping
[2:06:05] it there. There's another
[2:06:06] >> If if I can just add really
[2:06:09] quickly, just so to give you
[2:06:10] some reference, we do have
[2:06:11] active boat slip rentals at
[2:06:14] the location right now. But we
[2:06:15] are going month by month. So
[2:06:16] we only have rentals up
[2:06:17] through the end of JULY and
[2:06:18] they're only 4 slips being
[2:06:19] rented right now. We're in the
[2:06:24] offseason. Pick up as we go
[2:06:26] into OCTOBER or NOVEMBER.
[2:06:27] We're going to start seeing
[2:06:28] those increase. But right now
[2:06:30] there's only 4 slips being
[2:06:30] rented. So if we decided to
[2:06:36] make a the decision. We're
[2:06:37] only displacing 4 people at
[2:06:37] this point. It could you give
[2:06:40] them for kids lock it. But so
[2:06:43] many people want to fish. Say
[2:06:46] they want shut the bank down
[2:06:47] there.
[2:06:48] >> And we actually do. That's
[2:06:49] that clown fish to them. A
[2:06:52] call. That's where they like
[2:06:52] to be is right in that Marina
[2:06:55] side, we actually You say what
[2:06:58] you say, but a trial clown. I
[2:06:59] fish. He's one of those
[2:07:03] invasives. It's a big, weird
[2:07:04] looking fish and they like to
[2:07:04] hang around there in that
[2:07:09] basin. I mean, pretty know.
[2:07:10] >> We're talking about boat
[2:07:11] slips, but they can still put
[2:07:12] in at Scott driver and access
[2:07:15] that area by boat.
[2:07:16] >> Yes, yes, yes. But like in
[2:07:16] that case, we don't bring the
[2:07:19] boat. We just a code word. Sit
[2:07:24] on office it. Wasting time his
[2:07:28] or Dressed in a clown suit
[2:07:34] catching a fish. Thank Justin.
[2:07:34] Well, I got one more for you.
[2:07:37] We're not finished containing.
[2:07:42] So, but no, she him.
[2:07:43] >> question
[2:07:47] >> on Thomas Lee. Lauren. The
[2:07:49] 21. But for what I want is the
[2:07:50] parkside. And then we have 66,
[2:07:58] which is the maintenance side.
[2:07:59] There should be a I mean, 66
[2:08:03] slide. Also. I did. I keep
[2:08:08] pushing it. We pay Yes, sir.
[2:08:12] It's contract mode. There we
[2:08:17] go. As the chair just stated,
[2:08:20] the majority of the
[2:08:20] operational costs that are
[2:08:21] that are at this site are
[2:08:23] contract mowing.
[2:08:25] >> We this this out that did
[2:08:28] go out for bid 2? I think
[2:08:28] we're 2 years into that
[2:08:32] contract. That did go out for
[2:08:35] bid. They were by far lowest
[2:08:36] bidder. So the majority of
[2:08:37] what's expense there is
[2:08:39] contracted mowing at that
[2:08:41] site. The other stuff is just
[2:08:43] general repair items that we
[2:08:44] have to make just to be able
[2:08:45] to keep the park open. And
[2:08:48] it's very minimal of what we
[2:08:49] expense. 43,000 of that
[2:08:50] $45,000 budget. Is
[2:08:55] contracting. That riverside,
[2:08:59] yes, sir. Riverside has that
[2:08:59] contract. They have all the
[2:09:00] county stuff outside of the
[2:09:06] thing make. Yesterday. They
[2:09:06] do. They do 5. I think 5
[2:09:11] facilities now. Commissioner
[2:09:14] to cuddle.
[2:09:14] >> While we're on that, you
[2:09:16] want talk about the fans at
[2:09:19] the ag Center. The defense
[2:09:22] said the egg center.
[2:09:24] >> Just one part of the
[2:09:26] Accenture before the 4th of
[2:09:30] JULY, kind of scope of the
[2:09:31] scope out the set up and think
[2:09:31] Jen that were not maintaining
[2:09:34] the. Taking care of our feed.
[2:09:40] Lot Fence line with 4 finals,
[2:09:42] 3, 4 feet high offense which
[2:09:47] fence line 77, 10 on 7.10, out
[2:09:48] be the victims are down 70
[2:09:49] Make sure that that's on our
[2:09:50] spray schedule.
[2:09:51] >> We'll get that taken Really
[2:09:55] pet? Yeah. So and their
[2:09:56] contract they don't have to
[2:09:57] mow those tents. Are we this
[2:09:58] fence lines? We do that
[2:10:01] chemical. So I will make sure
[2:10:02] that that's on the schedule
[2:10:07] will get the handle. We did.
[2:10:08] Just for reference, we win a
[2:10:09] significant amount of time
[2:10:12] without a licensed. Someone
[2:10:13] who was licensed herbicides.
[2:10:13] So that's taking a little bit
[2:10:15] of time to get someone who has
[2:10:17] the licensing and we don't
[2:10:18] want another issue like we had
[2:10:19] at cemetery few years ago. So
[2:10:20] we will make sure we're doing
[2:10:21] it the right way. One of them,
[2:10:25] one of the but as we pay for
[2:10:26] somebody for less. And so
[2:10:28] assume that's what it was for.
[2:10:29] Yes, or somebody that was road
[2:10:31] department. Yes, sir. We do
[2:10:31] read department and
[2:10:32] facilities. Both both licensed
[2:10:36] herbicide. And then we also
[2:10:37] contracts a certain amount of
[2:10:42] it. We do now contract out you
[2:10:45] know, one of the examples see
[2:10:46] Scott driver. We contract out
[2:10:47] that Bird sanctuary area and
[2:10:48] some of the stuff down there
[2:10:51] with the contractor just.
[2:10:52] Being on the lakeside. I feel
[2:10:53] more comfortable knowing that
[2:10:54] we're using the right types of
[2:10:56] chemicals and someone who is
[2:10:59] very for fish very well versed
[2:11:04] spring. Those types other than
[2:11:06] that, I think I've finished up
[2:11:08] the whole budget. I'll close
[2:11:15] it out. Thank you. Okay.
[2:11:17] Commissioners, anything we
[2:11:18] want to specifically come back
[2:11:19] to look is Jessica's got
[2:11:19] something she's bringing
[2:11:23] Friday.
[2:11:23] >> I think she brought some
[2:11:27] today for us to get to review
[2:11:28] >> Yes, I do have that. If you
[2:11:29] have anything from today that
[2:11:35] you'd like to take some notes.
[2:11:39] >> I think overall we've been
[2:11:40] through this whole budget. It
[2:11:42] looks fairly decent. There's
[2:11:43] some things that I think we
[2:11:46] really need take a look at
[2:11:48] continue to try to. Maybe a
[2:11:54] work toward. I want win back
[2:11:56] to it last night and the
[2:11:58] numbers make proposition
[2:12:00] recommendation to the board.
[2:12:03] Is that anybody? It's over 5%.
[2:12:06] Increase. They need to bring
[2:12:11] it down to 5%. Because I think
[2:12:13] that's something reasonable
[2:12:14] because the bocc is it for
[2:12:18] 4.2. Right. You don't get down
[2:12:24] roughly 4%. 4%. So I think
[2:12:24] anybody, anybody that we went
[2:12:25] through here today and
[2:12:26] yesterday and the day before.
[2:12:28] I think that they need to take
[2:12:32] their country sharp it up. Get
[2:12:33] it down to 5, anything. It's
[2:12:34] like anything. We're 5% get
[2:12:37] back down to 5%. Because at
[2:12:39] the end of the day, is that?
[2:12:39] We only have x amount of
[2:12:44] money. And I think that one
[2:12:45] thing I want to bring back up
[2:12:46] also, I think that we kind of
[2:12:48] missed today. And Justin, this
[2:12:52] is on your side of the House.
[2:12:54] I think that we we missed
[2:12:55] really articulating that yours
[2:12:59] is only what, 5. But me out
[2:13:00] here.
[2:13:03] >> It's 7% total with the
[2:13:04] landfill, trust loans. So I
[2:13:05] have without those actually
[2:13:09] budget reduction of about 2%.
[2:13:10] >> Okay. So you're going make
[2:13:11] sure that that's out because
[2:13:12] we missed kind of making sure
[2:13:14] that that was demonstrated
[2:13:15] that it's not what we saw on
[2:13:18] the board. It's just basically
[2:13:19] we're moving money around and
[2:13:20] makes it a little bit
[2:13:22] different. But I think from my
[2:13:24] perspective, I think we should
[2:13:26] tell anybody any of the
[2:13:27] constitutional Ys, any of us
[2:13:30] us over 5%. We need to forget
[2:13:33] about the 5%. And I think you
[2:13:34] want to remember when the
[2:13:36] sheriff's department 6.8 to
[2:13:38] her, I think you had the clerk
[2:13:39] of court was 6.1, the cause
[2:13:43] and the sheriff of 6 point,
[2:13:44] the 2 of my members to
[2:13:46] correct. And I believe those
[2:13:48] are I don't know if there's a
[2:13:50] look over the sheriff in a in
[2:13:51] a minute. But I just finish
[2:13:52] but I think that's what that
[2:14:01] would be. My My head.
[2:14:01] >> I have a hand out here. I'm
[2:14:02] going to go ahead and pass
[2:14:07] down. Based on the closing
[2:14:12] yesterday. We needed to
[2:14:14] identify what the amended
[2:14:16] number actually was as well as
[2:14:16] adopted, as well as what's
[2:14:19] being proposed. So
[2:14:19] >> the first she is going to
[2:14:24] be. A few numbers. You have
[2:14:28] what was initially requested.
[2:14:30] 25 26 then the board
[2:14:33] direction. Then at that time
[2:14:34] was have them tighten their
[2:14:35] numbers. So then they came
[2:14:37] back and it was adopted. So
[2:14:40] you have that number there at
[2:14:44] 29 million, 990,000, 702. We
[2:14:45] did look in atg because that's
[2:14:47] our financial record that we
[2:14:51] use when we budget. 4 within
[2:14:52] the budget office. So within
[2:14:53] atg, the number that has been
[2:14:55] updated since the budget book
[2:14:57] is highlighted there in Orange
[2:14:59] for corrections. But that
[2:15:01] brings your atg amended to
[2:15:05] 31 Million 2, 0, 4, 108. What
[2:15:08] the sheriff's office
[2:15:08] presentation provided. Was
[2:15:12] here in Pink. So you Cso
[2:15:16] amended. 25 26. That does
[2:15:19] include an additional
[2:15:21] $183,075. There was a comment
[2:15:24] mention that there was going
[2:15:24] to be a budget amendment soon
[2:15:28] in regards to implementing the
[2:15:31] increase in Frs further
[2:15:33] quarter, as well as the fuel
[2:15:36] expense. So that's what that
[2:15:39] $183,075 increase from the
[2:15:41] presentation. So this should
[2:15:44] be the amended number. And
[2:15:47] then you have what was
[2:15:48] proposed originally and then
[2:15:52] what they proposed at at the
[2:15:53] meeting in their
[2:15:56] presentations. So you'll have
[2:15:56] the percentages, its color
[2:15:57] coded to reference what
[2:15:59] percentage it goes back to if
[2:16:01] you wanted to know what the
[2:16:05] percentages from adopted 2,
[2:16:05] the proposed. It's all
[2:16:10] referencing the proposed from
[2:16:10] presentation of 33 Million.
[2:16:15] 283. And 24. Additionally,
[2:16:20] your second handout. Attach
[2:16:21] their to talks about health
[2:16:23] insurance and workers
[2:16:28] compensation. We talked about
[2:16:31] this extensively staff and I
[2:16:32] Lisa specifically in terms of
[2:16:36] trying to find a number
[2:16:37] relative to fsa for the bocc
[2:16:41] or relative to for the
[2:16:43] sheriff's office for workers
[2:16:44] compensation. And there's just
[2:16:47] too many variables that come
[2:16:50] into to have an apples to
[2:16:51] apples comparison on workers,
[2:16:55] compensation. So if the board
[2:16:58] does want us to go out and get
[2:16:59] quotes go to through a
[2:17:03] competitive process. We can do
[2:17:03] that just we would do it for
[2:17:06] next fiscal year. So just
[2:17:06] wanted to provide you where
[2:17:09] we're at. We did get that per
[2:17:10] full-time employee number for
[2:17:13] health insurance. But again,
[2:17:14] there's other variables.
[2:17:15] They're dependent on the plans
[2:17:16] that they're offering. If it
[2:17:19] is an apples to apples
[2:17:20] comparison. So if this is
[2:17:22] something a direction from the
[2:17:22] board, we're more than happy
[2:17:25] to move forward. I just didn't
[2:17:26] want to provide a an accurate
[2:17:28] number for workers.
[2:17:29] Compensation due to all the
[2:17:30] variables that come into play.
[2:17:33] One of them being the what's
[2:17:36] called the experience
[2:17:37] modification rating. That's
[2:17:40] basically the risk rate and
[2:17:41] our Chris great is 0.8, 9 and
[2:17:44] anything below one is better
[2:17:45] than average, which typically
[2:17:48] provides lower premiums. We
[2:17:49] don't know what that
[2:17:51] modification rating is for the
[2:17:52] sheriff's office. And if we
[2:17:56] are added to that poll pool
[2:17:56] within workers compensation,
[2:18:00] then we then have that Chris
[2:18:00] great applied as well. So it
[2:18:01] could potentially increase our
[2:18:05] premium. So there's just and
[2:18:06] you'll see of the list here on
[2:18:08] how the calculation is for the
[2:18:09] premiums as well as what
[2:18:09] factors come into play when it
[2:18:11] comes to workers.
[2:18:13] Compensation. Typically the
[2:18:16] policies are bundled with your
[2:18:17] property and casualty. So you
[2:18:17] have your health insurance,
[2:18:19] then you have your property
[2:18:20] and casualty with workers
[2:18:22] compensation. So
[2:18:22] >> they're 2 different
[2:18:27] processes. And functions that.
[2:18:28] That come into play when
[2:18:29] trying to get a quote for
[2:18:32] premium. And I'll stop there
[2:18:38] as your value 18.
[2:18:43] >> Thank It was good. Very,
[2:18:47] very good. Must hold up.
[2:18:47] >> Could we lower their risk
[2:18:50] rate we can mine?
[2:18:53] >> I don't. I don't know that
[2:18:56] be a question because it's the
[2:18:58] 5th Florida Sheriffs
[2:18:59] Association said the entire
[2:18:59] state. So it's it's I group,
[2:19:02] correct? And there's
[2:19:06] different. It gets very
[2:19:06] convoluted. There's different
[2:19:07] towers that you can be applied
[2:19:11] to. So just dependent on how.
[2:19:23] How it's invested.
[2:19:24] >> And that last amended
[2:19:28] numbers. Don't know the
[2:19:33] bottom. Bottom, right? It has
[2:19:34] it as the percent change of
[2:19:36] county sheriff's in the
[2:19:43] budget. Plus one 83 75. Help
[2:19:47] me. Is that one? 83 75
[2:19:51] included in the 6.1 8.
[2:19:53] >> So there presentation. Had
[2:19:59] a
[2:20:03] >> one 11,000 for it for us.
[2:20:08] >> So their budget
[2:20:08] presentation had just did
[2:20:10] budget total of 33 million to
[2:20:11] 83, 0, 2, 4, which is what is
[2:20:19] shown there. But you'll see at
[2:20:22] the top line, 20 million 3.74,
[2:20:23] where the total net adjustment
[2:20:26] was added. From their
[2:20:30] presentations. So that's where
[2:20:32] the increase took place. As
[2:20:35] far as the one. 25 when it
[2:20:36] comes sorry. But that's that's
[2:20:38] not your question. Sorry.
[2:20:39] >> Going back, the amended
[2:20:45] here. The one 83 0, 7, 5, was
[2:20:46] added to the law enforcement
[2:20:48] because of frs and the fuel
[2:20:51] expense and their 4th quarter.
[2:20:53] What was your question? I'm
[2:20:53] sorry.
[2:20:55] >> I was just want to see if
[2:20:56] that was the weights as
[2:21:01] percent change. Plus one 83 as
[2:21:02] should say, inclusive of the
[2:21:07] one 83. Yeah. So that's just a
[2:21:10] ok? I if I needed also add
[2:21:10] that no, that that's been
[2:21:11] added. That's just letting you
[2:21:14] know, that that's part
[2:21:16] inclusive or yes, because
[2:21:17] presentation.
[2:21:18] >> When you look at the
[2:21:20] amended budget slide that they
[2:21:23] had their amended budget on
[2:21:25] their presentation. Had
[2:21:28] 31 Million 1.64. To 36. So if
[2:21:29] you saw discrepancy by looking
[2:21:31] at their presentation, I
[2:21:32] wanted it to be clear that i
[2:21:34] then added the one 83 0, 7, 5
[2:21:36] based on discussions with the
[2:21:36] undersheriff that that that
[2:21:38] and ask for that gradual fuel
[2:21:41] for correct.
[2:21:42] >> So with that, what what is
[2:21:45] there?
[2:21:46] >> Bottom line percent
[2:21:49] increase in budget.
[2:21:50] >> depends on what you're
[2:21:52] looking at. Against 10.9 8%
[2:21:55] against what we adopted. 6.6,
[2:22:02] 6% against. The bet budget
[2:22:06] book. 6.1 8% against
[2:22:07] presentation that let's go
[2:22:08] back to one thing. It when we
[2:22:09] talked about the amended
[2:22:10] budget for 2025. This the pink
[2:22:13] piece of it.
[2:22:16] >> The pink is is so you'll
[2:22:17] see here less other revenue
[2:22:19] debt service amendment. And
[2:22:19] prior year we incumbents.
[2:22:23] That's not something that we.
[2:22:24] We understand in terms of the
[2:22:25] budget office when we're
[2:22:28] putting together, we go off of
[2:22:29] atg. That's us telling you,
[2:22:30] this is what how we got our
[2:22:31] numbers. And then this is the
[2:22:32] sheriff. What the sheriff
[2:22:34] resented at the meeting. So
[2:22:36] they they have their own
[2:22:38] finance department. So we go
[2:22:40] off of atg, which is our. Our
[2:22:45] record of.
[2:22:46] >> Right. But with my my point
[2:22:47] is, is that when you look the
[2:22:49] adopted budget. For 2025,
[2:22:54] 2026. And you take that. In
[2:22:57] totality to 29 mil. From
[2:23:00] OCTOBER one of last year until
[2:23:04] today. How many amendments and
[2:23:04] was the cost of those
[2:23:06] amendments that we put on to
[2:23:08] that budget? Because my issue
[2:23:08] is the question to development
[2:23:15] budget. On new budget on the
[2:23:15] amended budget verse is being
[2:23:17] amended. Excuse me developing
[2:23:17] a budget. Hopefully you're
[2:23:20] adopted budget. In the budget
[2:23:23] could include grants that are
[2:23:26] not focused on personnel
[2:23:27] whatever. So my problem trying
[2:23:30] to understand this, is it.
[2:23:32] You're adding a lot of money
[2:23:33] in between OCTOBER to JULY of
[2:23:38] this year. What how much money
[2:23:40] is that? That is. That is
[2:23:43] grants.
[2:23:44] >> And it grants I would have
[2:23:49] to identified. But
[2:23:50] >> the from the adopted to the
[2:23:50] amended its it ranges from 4
[2:23:54] to 4 and a half percent, which
[2:23:56] you can see those numbers
[2:23:58] change from the adopted to the
[2:23:59] amended and we in law
[2:23:59] enforcement and corrections.
[2:24:02] Okay. So.
[2:24:03] >> still stand by. My
[2:24:09] suggestion starts. I think
[2:24:11] people who are over 5% should
[2:24:14] sharpen your pencil. And come
[2:24:17] in at 5% over the budget.
[2:24:18] We're in new port where the
[2:24:22] right now. If you take a look
[2:24:26] at it across state. People are
[2:24:31] reducing their budgets.
[2:24:32] They're sharpening their
[2:24:32] pencils work we cannot
[2:24:34] continue to do that. If you
[2:24:35] can do it from the bocc
[2:24:40] standpoint. And you get to 4%.
[2:24:40] I think everybody should be
[2:24:42] able to get at least a 5%. So
[2:24:46] MR. Commissioner Burrows, are
[2:24:51] you saying? 5% from?
[2:24:54] >> The 25 26 adopted. Are you
[2:24:59] saying 5% from the amended?
[2:25:02] >> Say that is a proposed. His
[2:25:07] proposed budget 33 to to 4.
[2:25:13] >> Which is 6.1 8%. Adjusted.
[2:25:15] But it's 10.9% above the
[2:25:17] adopted. So when you are
[2:25:20] asking for a 5% only increase.
[2:25:24] Increase off of which one. The
[2:25:25] adopted you have to. You have
[2:25:28] to look at 5% proposed.
[2:25:28] >> Maybe mention your point. I
[2:25:34] think you are. If you've got.
[2:25:35] $100 and you say I don't want
[2:25:35] to be more than 5% come back
[2:25:38] at $105. We've got 2 different
[2:25:40] $100. We've got 100 that we
[2:25:41] approved. But in 102 was
[2:25:45] spent. The adjusted. So are
[2:25:48] you looking for a maximum of
[2:25:51] 5% above the 102. Are you
[2:25:52] looking at a maximum of 5%
[2:25:53] above the 100? Based on my
[2:25:57] simple. No, I think what what
[2:25:58] I'm saying is that whatever
[2:26:04] your proposed budget is today.
[2:26:07] Get a 5%. If I'm 75, what if I
[2:26:08] MAY?
[2:26:08] >> Most of the percentages
[2:26:10] that he's referencing are
[2:26:12] based off of the adjusted. So
[2:26:12] it's my understanding that he
[2:26:14] might be referring to the
[2:26:15] adjusted because what he's
[2:26:16] referencing the bocc 4%.
[2:26:19] That's that's off of amended
[2:26:20] not are adopted.
[2:26:23] >> our amended. 4% higher than
[2:26:27] or about. I would have to
[2:26:30] check on that percentage.
[2:26:31] >> So your recommended comes
[2:26:32] down. 1.18%.
[2:26:33] >> That's what I'm saying
[2:26:35] right now. Yes. That's where
[2:26:39] we are. All my hand corner of
[2:26:44] the bank. I think an 8 I can't
[2:26:48] ask him. I can't asked.
[2:26:49] Somebody to Co go from the
[2:26:52] adopted budget of 25 2026. I
[2:26:53] can only go from what he's put
[2:26:57] in today. Well, that only but
[2:27:01] you just said few moments ago
[2:27:01] that some of that could be
[2:27:03] grants and so forth that are
[2:27:05] one time only. He's and I
[2:27:06] don't. And I don't know how
[2:27:09] much that is because I'm going
[2:27:10] figure it up this afternoon.
[2:27:11] But when you figure that up,
[2:27:12] then what are you going to be
[2:27:13] asking And I made me tell you
[2:27:13] that it will be all for that
[2:27:16] number.
[2:27:19] >> Well, if if we're asking.
[2:27:21] For him to come back with a
[2:27:21] different number. It be nice.
[2:27:24] Be new, which number to be
[2:27:26] shooting for so much It would
[2:27:27] be a service to 2, but
[2:27:28] actually telling what we're
[2:27:31] asking for. Understand that.
[2:27:35] But here's what so I agree
[2:27:36] with your your comment. My
[2:27:38] point I don't know what that
[2:27:39] percentage is or what the
[2:27:40] dollar amount is that
[2:27:41] associated with.
[2:27:41] >> Grants that are just
[2:27:46] one-time grants. Because why
[2:27:47] should I build a budget off of
[2:27:48] a one-time grant? That's my
[2:27:51] problem. If I-5 got x amount
[2:27:56] of dollars. Outside of the
[2:27:58] grant and that's what should
[2:28:02] build be. Building my budget
[2:28:03] Not adding grants to it. Just
[2:28:05] so it looks good on number.
[2:28:06] Well, especially for the one
[2:28:08] times if you've got a
[2:28:10] recurring one that comes every
[2:28:11] year in JANUARY and he can't
[2:28:12] budget for, but he knows it's
[2:28:14] coming every year in JANUARY.
[2:28:16] >> That's a legitimate number.
[2:28:17] Absolutely. If there's a
[2:28:17] one-time, here's 200 grand
[2:28:21] for. Fleet tires. That's a one
[2:28:24] and done. Then you can I I'm
[2:28:26] agreeing with what you're
[2:28:28] saying. That doesn't become a
[2:28:29] something you budgeted for. It
[2:28:34] say. One over. If these
[2:28:35] numbers are correct and we
[2:28:38] need one that 1.18% of their
[2:28:41] we ask in in Re used $292,739.
[2:28:48] >> In 68.0, $0.32. If numbers
[2:28:49] correct. Fact numbers. Critics
[2:28:50] what you're looking Free
[2:28:51] night, little under 400,000.
[2:28:58] Yeah. Because here's here's
[2:28:58] the thing. Commissioner summer
[2:29:00] brings up a good point. You've
[2:29:04] got it. You know, the dot, the
[2:29:07] budget. Next, you get all
[2:29:09] these particular grant or
[2:29:10] whatever, whatever, whatever,
[2:29:11] amendments, to the sheriff's
[2:29:13] budget during the course of
[2:29:16] that year, various things.
[2:29:17] Some of could be a one-time
[2:29:20] grant. Some could be a
[2:29:21] reoccurring grant. The
[2:29:22] reoccurring grants should be
[2:29:25] applied. 2, the amended, but
[2:29:28] due to the adopted budget, the
[2:29:30] one-time grants should not.
[2:29:30] That's that's what I was
[2:29:34] trying to get right. I don't
[2:29:35] have that number. And that's
[2:29:36] to that's the key to this is
[2:29:40] that. I can ask and did. I can
[2:29:41] just make this blank statement
[2:29:44] I should come down to 5%
[2:29:45] whatever your your proposed
[2:29:45] budget is after Monday's
[2:29:48] grants. Minus non-recurring
[2:29:52] grants. You can do that. But
[2:29:53] we still have to understand a
[2:29:58] number. And that was what
[2:30:00] post. Unfortunately. Thank
[2:30:01] you. Through this last night,
[2:30:04] MR. CHAIRMAN. It's occurring
[2:30:07] to me that. We have things in
[2:30:10] here that or not that are
[2:30:11] one-time deals. I think I MAY
[2:30:15] be wrong. But I think there's
[2:30:16] its when you look through the
[2:30:17] amendments over a year, I
[2:30:22] think you're going to find.
[2:30:23] And all I'm looking to do is
[2:30:24] making sure that we have a
[2:30:27] valid number. What's really
[2:30:30] required to do the job?
[2:30:33] Shortchange not get more. But
[2:30:34] what is required to do the
[2:30:37] job. And then outside the
[2:30:38] one-time grants and stuff of
[2:30:43] that sort. That doesn't, you
[2:30:44] know, to me, you and you know,
[2:30:47] on the other. Problem I had
[2:30:52] was the fact of trying to.
[2:30:59] Match the firemen. Their race.
[2:31:02] I think that we have the union
[2:31:06] we deal with on the far side,
[2:31:07] I don't have a union to deal
[2:31:08] with on the bocc side. We've
[2:31:12] agreed it is 2% plus e p a
[2:31:15] right, mark. Correct on that.
[2:31:22] So I think 2%, merit. What and
[2:31:23] whatever the cpi. I think
[2:31:23] those are should be a
[2:31:35] baseline. My my opinion only.
[2:31:44] MISS Jessica.
[2:31:44] >> We updated number on the
[2:31:49] impact fees to date.
[2:31:50] Collections.
[2:31:50] >> So today we have collected
[2:31:54] for impact fees. Sit spore
[2:31:56] that have been. Applied for
[2:31:59] since MAY 15th. We did the
[2:32:02] application been approved. So
[2:32:03] all 4 of those were single
[2:32:07] family residence. 3 of them
[2:32:08] were under 1500 square foot.
[2:32:09] One was over 1500 square foot.
[2:32:12] So if you want to run down the
[2:32:13] list of accounts and their
[2:32:15] balances for you.
[2:32:20] >> Yes, just the total. You
[2:32:23] have have a total
[2:32:23] transportation is and isn't
[2:32:24] 16th. I do not have a total of
[2:32:25] all of the impact fees have
[2:32:27] per account. Okay.
[2:32:30] >> But transportation is
[2:32:33] 16,000 Library, $670.
[2:32:35] Corrections is $800. Law
[2:32:38] enforcement is 6,000. Fire and
[2:32:41] ems is 2800. Public schools
[2:32:45] are 8500. Parks and rec. Our
[2:32:47] 2200 public facilities are
[2:32:51] 5200 action. Do have a total
[2:32:51] total with administrative fees
[2:33:03] as $52,000.
[2:33:08] >> Just for quick. Add on.
[2:33:08] Leaving the grants part out of
[2:33:11] If you're asking. For that
[2:33:14] reduction down to 5%. Did
[2:33:17] cause you said to be nearly
[2:33:20] 400 grand? It's 3. 68 3.47.
[2:33:23] Leaving out the. What's real
[2:33:26] and what's member part of it,
[2:33:28] if you did it straight off of.
[2:33:33] The adjusted. To the ask
[2:33:33] you're asking for abduction
[2:33:42] over there. 368,000. Open it.
[2:33:46] And that's just.
[2:33:46] >> really as it goes back to
[2:33:49] the clerk of court, too. He's
[2:33:50] 6.1.
[2:33:52] >> Yeah. And that number. We
[2:33:53] flipped that it would take for
[2:34:07] the second. Some of dresses.
[2:34:08] Clerk, 6 point want to think
[2:34:10] figure to those Tate.
[2:34:12] >> 1.1% off of his was it
[2:34:17] comes to him. Purcell, Well,
[2:34:22] yeah, to make it 5% whatever.
[2:34:23] Gotten out of what what? It
[2:34:38] would be ones.
[2:34:38] Are going
[2:34:38] transfer the Curtis?
[2:35:03] 3 Million? 40 ish 1000?
[2:35:04] >> 3, 0, 9, 4, $37,560 is what
[2:35:07] ubs commander Days over
[2:35:12] 3 Billion 3 million. 94.
[2:35:14] Taking 2, 3, 1, 89, one 97,
[2:35:15] which is a reduction 37,005,
[2:35:17] 6.
[2:35:18] >> And it you know, that's you
[2:35:21] know, that's not a lot of
[2:35:22] money. I'm not if you of the
[2:35:25] money is just looking fight.
[2:35:28] 5% above what you your budget.
[2:35:30] 5% cut.
[2:35:37] That's just me. Guys debate
[2:35:38] that if you want. I don't
[2:35:40] care. But that's my. That's my
[2:35:46] thing.
[2:35:47] >> It's hard to put an
[2:35:49] arbitrary number on it. But
[2:35:49] obviously the anything that
[2:35:56] can be done is helpful. If as
[2:35:57] a total board, which is
[2:35:58] inclusive of the fire
[2:35:59] department. We stated 4%. I
[2:36:02] don't think it's a huge ask.
[2:36:02] >> To ask anyone else to top.
[2:36:06] There's at 5. So I don't
[2:36:06] disagree with you.
[2:36:12] Commissioner. I MAY be a
[2:36:12] little simple sometimes
[2:36:17] compared to some of you.
[2:36:18] >> Mathematicians and things.
[2:36:19] I look at it kind of like
[2:36:20] this. If you're 2 income
[2:36:20] family and they were to live
[2:36:25] from income. I mean, you know,
[2:36:26] taking a few less trips, the
[2:36:29] town are. Maybe not going out
[2:36:33] to be tough. Just cutting back
[2:36:34] a little we can just find that
[2:36:35] somewhere. Little bit here a
[2:36:36] little bit. There MAY be. Next
[2:36:39] year we don't fall off the
[2:36:42] cliff. Everybody help a little
[2:36:56] bit. I guess.
[2:36:59] >> If they can, could down 5%.
[2:37:00] That would be that would be
[2:37:07] nice. Also talk about people
[2:37:08] that were bulletproof vest to
[2:37:13] work. You know, I don't want
[2:37:14] to I don't want to that's
[2:37:19] going on I don't want to.
[2:37:22] Product cut. A little bit of
[2:37:27] money off decreases. They're
[2:37:28] effective mission protecting
[2:37:29] and serving the public. You
[2:37:35] know, If there's Fluff in
[2:37:35] area, I believe that we
[2:37:39] should. You know, push to do
[2:37:43] the best to win of that out.
[2:37:44] It's so close that I don't
[2:37:46] know it's worth. Than the
[2:37:53] optics. This is not she's real
[2:37:53] dollars. No, no, no. Israel
[2:37:54] dollars. I know it's but I
[2:37:57] just this is just my thought.
[2:37:59] If there's if there's fluff,
[2:37:59] yeah, we should. Who should
[2:38:01] cut it out. I don't want to. I
[2:38:02] don't want think it makes them
[2:38:07] less effective. Doing her job.
[2:38:08] Protection, serve the public
[2:38:17] That's where I'm at
[2:38:17] >> We do have some you're
[2:38:20] going to say or I agree. It's
[2:38:21] a high risk and it's well
[2:38:24] needed. I got relatives in
[2:38:26] that space, too. Close I
[2:38:28] appreciate that. Appreciate
[2:38:31] everybody. But maybe they're
[2:38:34] somewhere else without getting
[2:38:34] rid of writ of the bullet
[2:38:37] proof vest, so to speak that
[2:38:38] there's something they can
[2:38:39] find. We'd appreciate it.
[2:38:40] That's all we're saying
[2:38:41] everybody. Try to help. We've
[2:38:44] got a problem. We're not in
[2:38:45] control of that. That's what
[2:38:47] they're doing in for
[2:38:48] government decision. Now the
[2:38:49] people are going to decide it
[2:38:52] sounds real good to the
[2:38:52] taxpayer know fact we don't
[2:38:53] have to keep paying for
[2:38:55] houses. You've heard it. So we
[2:38:56] got to deal with that. We've
[2:38:59] got to prepare little bit.
[2:39:02] >> not asking for abduction.
[2:39:03] Still saying you can go up 5%
[2:39:06] on your budget. That's not.
[2:39:10] That's not saying. Take away
[2:39:11] of a vest or don't give a
[2:39:17] raise. That's that's not. What
[2:39:18] Commissioner Burrows I'm
[2:39:20] trying to put words in your
[2:39:21] mouth, but if you can hold
[2:39:26] your increase to 5%. Yeah. You
[2:39:27] know, if my daughter start
[2:39:28] spending more on a credit card
[2:39:28] at Gainesville, then she
[2:39:29] should and will say you need
[2:39:33] to. Whether it's not getting
[2:39:34] Starbucks coffee. I don't know
[2:39:35] sharing Starbucks coffee, but
[2:39:39] but that example years if. You
[2:39:40] can spend a little bit more
[2:39:40] because everything does cost a
[2:39:43] little bit more than it did
[2:39:44] last year. There's not a
[2:39:45] dollar sandwich of McDonald's
[2:39:48] anymore. We know that. But
[2:39:49] asking somebody to to take
[2:39:52] their growth and capped at 5%.
[2:39:53] I don't think is an
[2:39:56] unreasonable ask.
[2:39:58] >> And agree with that. But if
[2:40:00] their Starbucks coffee, we
[2:40:03] just use that as a. It's a
[2:40:04] place, example, in your
[2:40:05] budget. It needs to come out.
[2:40:12] Only agree with that.
[2:40:14] >> Well, it's a total the, for
[2:40:14] instance, on our side, the
[2:40:16] fire department did go up. But
[2:40:17] we came down on some other
[2:40:20] stuff to make up for it.
[2:40:22] Workout, 2 percentage well
[2:40:23] know that there have about 2
[2:40:25] trucks and that's a real notes
[2:40:27] it would be. But for the
[2:40:29] trucks. So your partially But
[2:40:32] overall got feathers and all
[2:40:32] one dollars where that a 4%
[2:40:37] increase. So all doing is
[2:40:38] asking everybody else to
[2:40:39] sharpen their pencils nearly
[2:40:42] to the same level that we did
[2:40:44] if our numbers are right and
[2:40:44] all I can do stresses book
[2:40:46] that handed to me. So numbers
[2:40:50] are correct. Then that's all
[2:40:52] we're asking. If you can't do
[2:40:53] it, you can't do it. Come here
[2:40:53] and say, look, I can't do it.
[2:40:56] This is why then played the
[2:40:56] case at the time. But if you
[2:41:00] can. Please do for the sake of
[2:41:01] the public, for the sake of
[2:41:04] the doe's crowd, we can. I
[2:41:05] mean, again, like I said 3
[2:41:08] more months ago, we are a
[2:41:09] bunch Republicans were not big
[2:41:11] government people. We're not
[2:41:15] big spending people. Our job
[2:41:17] is to give as much service as
[2:41:17] possible with his little cost
[2:41:24] as possible. Well, is this
[2:41:25] does this I know for a fact
[2:41:28] they're working on it.
[2:41:28] >> this time last year, we
[2:41:31] said that, you know, help us
[2:41:33] out and that, you know, and
[2:41:34] that was That was on
[2:41:34] Wednesday. And they came by
[2:41:35] Friday morning and we had a
[2:41:39] compromise. So if you nothing
[2:41:42] came back and say, again as
[2:41:43] this money for bulletproof
[2:41:46] vests and we're going say, of
[2:41:46] wager to say that if they come
[2:41:47] back and say, hey, we'll
[2:41:50] tighten belts and we'll make
[2:41:51] this work them with puppets.
[2:41:56] Okay to that. So but I'm
[2:41:57] confident and all the county
[2:41:58] departments constitutional
[2:41:59] employees know that everybody
[2:42:03] the same. Page that we are to
[2:42:05] do is good to service is
[2:42:08] possible for the least amount
[2:42:09] of money. I'm suggesting we
[2:42:10] let them come by Friday
[2:42:10] morning see what the
[2:42:12] temperature is
[2:42:15] >> And I would like to add an
[2:42:19] additional thanks again. To
[2:42:19] those constitutional came in
[2:42:20] at a flat budget from last
[2:42:24] year. We we asked and they
[2:42:25] absolutely performed and I
[2:42:28] can't. We couldn't get down to
[2:42:31] 0 wish we could, but we could.
[2:42:32] But 3 of them did. With a
[2:42:35] that.
[2:42:36] >> I think everybody has to
[2:42:37] remind you. So one thing.
[2:42:39] We've heard this over and
[2:42:42] over, that's not our money. I
[2:42:45] don't care who you are. Give
[2:42:46] your constitutional if you're
[2:42:49] if you're. The occ or
[2:42:53] whatever, it's not our money.
[2:42:54] >> And at the end of the day
[2:42:55] we're been put appear in order
[2:42:56] to be the steward to that
[2:43:00] money.
[2:43:01] >> I'm not saying that we need
[2:43:02] to throw take away proof vest.
[2:43:07] Not We have seen in the past.
[2:43:08] There's places where people
[2:43:09] can reduce or budgets without
[2:43:16] hurting themselves. And that
[2:43:19] was we put on her. You come
[2:43:23] through. With only 4%.
[2:43:27] Increase. Given the gas, given
[2:43:28] all the other stuff that went
[2:43:29] in into that calculation this
[2:43:38] year. What she got 4% So i
[2:43:40] don't think it's I don't think
[2:43:41] it's out of the realm, covers
[2:43:41] responsibility to ask
[2:43:44] everybody else. To try to
[2:43:55] coming in at 5% over what in
[2:43:55] the flow for anything could
[2:43:58] cut out? Yes, absolutely.
[2:44:03] >> But you cut it out.
[2:44:04] >> But I'm I'm Mike with the
[2:44:05] CHAIRMAN This week and see
[2:44:07] what happens. I think the
[2:44:07] message should, you know, the
[2:44:08] the hurt if they're watching,
[2:44:09] they heard the message. And
[2:44:11] they heard the debate. That
[2:44:13] goes for the judge for the
[2:44:15] clerk of court. And that goes
[2:44:19] for the sheriff. Anybody else.
[2:44:20] So they heard debate so their
[2:44:21] little work on this. He
[2:44:25] wouldn't come up with.
[2:44:27] >> Just for the second part of
[2:44:28] the conversation in terms of
[2:44:30] workers comp and health
[2:44:31] insurance. Is that something
[2:44:32] you want us to go through the
[2:44:32] competitive process coming
[2:44:38] here for? It's it's over next
[2:44:40] years for next year's
[2:44:41] consideration. Answer if
[2:44:42] you've got the time, the can't
[2:44:43] hurt to ask the question. Some
[2:44:46] of it. And make a project is
[2:44:52] today. It gets pretty
[2:44:52] extensive because if you're
[2:44:54] trying to compare apples to
[2:44:55] apples, there's going to be
[2:44:56] different. Insurance plans and
[2:45:02] workers compensation.
[2:45:03] >> Rates so.
[2:45:03] >> And I want is for was that
[2:45:05] can. But, you know, were just
[2:45:06] in for impact fees with Justin
[2:45:07] for a new budget director.
[2:45:08] We've got so many things going
[2:45:12] on right now that.
[2:45:14] >> But pay attention to the
[2:45:15] tax issue to yes, yeah. We
[2:45:16] don't know what's come a
[2:45:17] couple met. It MAY not be the
[2:45:20] opportune time.
[2:45:20] >> tackle that.
[2:45:22] >> let me ask it this way. If
[2:45:26] we're if I go to shop, new
[2:45:27] insurance companies for my
[2:45:27] family, they do the work of
[2:45:30] putting together the bid. I
[2:45:31] mean, I realize there's some
[2:45:32] coordination that from my and
[2:45:34] to be on the phone with them.
[2:45:35] But I don't have to compare
[2:45:37] the apples to apples. They did
[2:45:42] us. They bid the as so. The
[2:45:44] other company bids 2 of got
[2:45:47] the best bid. His answer, but
[2:45:48] they don't be. This is like
[2:45:49] the life Insurance Company We
[2:45:50] have now.
[2:45:51] >> My coverage goes down every
[2:45:55] year. The other one MAY not.
[2:45:56] So there's so many things that
[2:45:57] you've got to take it. Lace-up
[2:46:01] would be. 24 hours a day
[2:46:02] trying analyze that with We
[2:46:03] would also be analyzing.
[2:46:09] >> portfolio. So in terms of
[2:46:12] the towers that we would be
[2:46:15] placed into and how how much
[2:46:16] risk we would be associated
[2:46:16] with based on the poll that
[2:46:20] were and so even though they
[2:46:21] provide us that information.
[2:46:22] And still there's a lot of an
[2:46:23] allegation that we would have
[2:46:25] to do on our end to ensure
[2:46:28] that we're in a where with the
[2:46:31] right provider that is not
[2:46:32] going to put us at a large
[2:46:33] risk to then increase our
[2:46:35] premiums over time.
[2:46:36] >> So in other words, the
[2:46:39] juice at worst, the squeeze at
[2:46:40] this point just think we have
[2:46:41] so many things going on right
[2:46:41] now as don't overload the
[2:46:46] wagon. I don't get Elamine.
[2:46:47] And that hopefully help the
[2:46:49] budget process goes goes a lot
[2:46:49] differently. You know, we've
[2:46:54] got. The computer programs is
[2:46:55] not driving. We've got a major
[2:46:56] win over there that, you know,
[2:47:00] we've agreed to go or
[2:47:02] something. And I think we've
[2:47:03] got a lot of things going I do
[2:47:06] have one question. It was our
[2:47:07] life insurance. It goes down.
[2:47:09] Older you get in mind to get
[2:47:11] pretty low. Does that mean
[2:47:16] Commissioner Burrows doesn't
[2:47:21] 0. So exposure
[2:47:22] >> it was the guy that, you
[2:47:25] know, Lee said, do know they
[2:47:28] don't care about has been, but
[2:47:29] the cemetery cash. But we've
[2:47:35] been so got talk to him to
[2:47:40] Because think got a site you
[2:47:42] can to up I almost just looked
[2:47:43] at, not cover smile. And so I
[2:47:45] didn't want to aggravate
[2:47:46] storage is asked if I'd ever
[2:47:49] heard anything back. And we're
[2:47:49] talking savings accounts
[2:47:52] versus the Aflac.
[2:47:56] >> And we're talking about
[2:47:58] death, a little yes, you're
[2:48:00] still that we're looking
[2:48:01] everyone. Do you going to add
[2:48:02] you a solution this fiscal
[2:48:03] year for another option with
[2:48:06] MetLife?
[2:48:06] >> Which is just another
[2:48:10] supplemental. Yes. We have
[2:48:11] done some research that we
[2:48:11] plan on bringing to the board
[2:48:16] sometime next fiscal year.
[2:48:16] >> question all right, for the
[2:48:18] record. Budget workshop will
[2:48:23] be. Continued until Friday
[2:48:24] morning. 9 o'clock, a regular
[2:48:27] commission meeting will be is
[2:48:28] scheduled for 9 o'clock
[2:48:29] tomorrow. Things couldn't have
[2:48:30] been more. So we're adjourned