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All right, we'll call this meeting in

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order. This is the uh regularly

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scheduled meeting for the budget

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evaluation team for September 3rd.

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Uh roll call. It looks like all primary

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members are here. I noticed the meeting

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was properly posted on September 2nd.

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Yeah, I'm still used to you being a

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primary. [laughter]

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one.

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>> All right. Item number one, discussion.

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[laughter]

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» Discussion, possible action regarding

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minutes of August the 1st

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>> or August 11th, I'm sorry.

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>> I'll make a motion to approve.

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>> Okay, got a motion, second to approve.

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All those in favor say I. I.

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>> Any opposed? Eyes have it. All right.

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Item number two, discussion, possible

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action regarding a financial and

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operational update from Oklahoma County

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Detention Center. Is there anybody here

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to present on that?

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>> I think they are currently working on

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the reporting.

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>> Okay.

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All right.

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Looks like no action on item two. Item

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three, discussion, possible action

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regarding an update on employee

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benefits.

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Good morning. Um this details paid

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claims our biggest medical prescriptions

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for the end of August compared to last

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fiscal year. Um if you remember

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um July was a big big month. August is

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turning really down. Medical is up 33%.

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Last month was up um 44%. So it's

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getting a little bit better. I hope that

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trend continues. Last fiscal year we had

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some high months earlier in the year

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too. On prescription drugs um we're at

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23%.

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Last month we were at 26%. So it's

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trending down just a bit. Overall if we

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look at the net basis paid basis what

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the actuary looks at for those main

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spend items, we're at $1.1 million. Last

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month we're at 2.3. So turning down just

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a little bit and I'll have some watch

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list items for you to discuss too when

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we get to those.

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» Are you seeing this as a few really

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large claims right now or do we have

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>> aggregate? Okay.

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>> Major consumption of medical services

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right now. It's all of course all these

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numbers you see are what our members are

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spending. We're not paying an insurance

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company for that. That's the actual cost

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>> and we have some of the lowest places to

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go get medical care but our members our

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average age just to remind you is way

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higher than most employers and we

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consume a bunch of medical care. So it's just an aggregate lots of cases and

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lots of people getting care

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and the good news is our last check

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register we received was big 880,000.

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This one that we're receiving today is

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about half that. So hopefully that trend

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continues.

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This is purely based on what our members

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spent

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>> and and a lot of what the members have

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spent, what we're seeing here is is

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going to those low costs.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Not a lot of outside hospitals that cost

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a whole bunch. And we we have spine hospital plans, a lot of big spine

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surgeries. If they went through

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traditional insurance, we'd be paying

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150 160,000. We're paying 80,000 comp.

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So, we're still saving money, but

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there's a lot of them, right? And

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hopefully this is just a just a cycle

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like we had last year. It'll turn down,

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but watching it closely.

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All right,

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John. The handout that we have here is

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the exact same as the one scratch,

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right? No change. We don't need to

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receive this one.

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>> It was not attached. Okay.

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>> Yeah, it was not attached. Okay.

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I'll make a motion to make it part of

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the record.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion, a second to uh

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make this document part of the record.

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All those in favor say I.

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>> I.

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>> Any opposed? Eyes have it. Is there a

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motion on the report?

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>> Motion to receive report.

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>> Second.

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>> Got a motion, second to receive Mr.

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Wilkerson's report. All those in favor

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say I.

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>> Any opposed? Eyes have it.

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All right.

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Item number four, discussion, possible

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action regarding any items currently on

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the BET watch list.

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» I would uh either [clears throat]

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once we pass this either leave it open

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and come back after we add a few things

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to the watch list. Um I think we need to

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talk about employees benefits, but we

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need to get

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down to John's item.

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>> Okay.

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» Is the reserve balance

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accurate?

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>> Uh that is what was approved in the

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spring.

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>> Are we expecting that it will be revised

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downward at

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>> I don't know because I haven't seen the

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full full list. I mean that's that's

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just part of unbalance is just part of

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>> right

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>> the overall we'll have that next week

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>> it's likely that it will

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>> it's likely that it'll be revised down

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>> correct

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» and um the finance department will

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present all of that on the night the

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meeting on September 9th.

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» Okay. Um,

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anything else on any items on here? If

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not, we'll come back to this item.

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five, discussion, possible action

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regarding any items from the county's

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future forecast tracker.

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Any items on here anybody wants to

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discuss.

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>> Go ahead.

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>> Did you Did you want to?

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>> No, not on this item.

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>> Okay, seeing none, let's move on to item

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number six.

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>> Um, if I may, for other departmental

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items. Um we do have a guest here and it

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was requested that perhaps maybe the um

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board would um indulge going down to

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number 16.

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» It is the behavioral care center

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estimate of need since we do have a

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guest here.

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>> Okay.

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So which sheet would so let's pull up

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the behavioral care center the one

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that's the BCC.

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>> Okay. So since our last discussion

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regarding behavioral care center when we

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were talking about estimate of needs, we

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had discussed waiting till September

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supplemental to allow for um additional

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questions in regard in regard to food,

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transportation, security, a lot of you

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know kind of unknowns especially with

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our cameras and some of our FFE and so

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Chris and the commissioner's offices um

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and our engineers and facilities and MIS

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all the departments have been working

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very very hard in order to shore up

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those details and do the research and to

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get, you know, quotes in regards to

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making sure that we've got a um a really

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solid plan moving forward. And so for

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the estimate of need, just as a

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reminder, we created um the fund in

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order to be able to separate all of the

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expenditures um that probably would have

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been absorbed in MIS or facilities or in

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the general government funded to really

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understand what the behavioral care

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center is going to cost for the county.

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And so that's the reason why we created

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the plan. And we talked about, you know,

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what would be the estimate of need for

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the cost for the county outside of the

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professional services contract. And so,

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um, what changes have been made is Keith

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here? Keith, but Keith, um, through, you

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know, research and and a lot of

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discussion both with Keith and Stacy who

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is here feel that we need seven techs in

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order to be able to properly handle the

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maintenance, the HVAC. um maintenance um

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things that are needed on the county's

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end in regards to 24 um our service and

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so seven texts and now remember this is

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just for six months so this starts

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January 1st through June 30th um for six

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months that's you know $280,000 in

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salaries plus their you know FICA

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defined contributions and then

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estimating that they would be family

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plans for the health premiums at $2,176

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And so that is what we're estimating

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just facilities um costs in regards to

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having those seven techs. The

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professional services contract Chris

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pling in with CIOS is here. We'll talk

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further about that. Um um is currently

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and we'll discuss further at 2,100

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2,146,371.96

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and of course that is just six months.

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We'll talk about what all that includes

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and the other professional services

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contract contractors was an expense that

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Keith felt like we needed in order for

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plumbing for the facility. And so that

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is um a contract and then of course the

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six months is left. Then we have the

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property insurance. So on the property

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insurance and the estimated need that we

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have, we had determined that since we're

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going to have to pay insurance for that

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property regardless, I went ahead and

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budgeted that in my 20 or my general

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government 110 budget. So that has

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already been accounted for and already

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is in that fund. And so my suggestion

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would be and what was suggested and

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discussed at policy governance on Monday

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would be just to do a transfer from

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general government to this fund once we

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determine that it's going to be funded.

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So that way um it's it's out it's

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accounted for in this budget. So we

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would request a transfer of six months

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coverage for property um which is

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$62,390.

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So this would be EOCC only expenses.

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This is um including the the insurance

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that's going to be transferred um in

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regards to our total cost um cre with

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the professional services and then and

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then total with the insurance and

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everything. Um then we accounted for

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internet HVAC supplies um for those

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techs in case they need them lawn and

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landscape utilities and then these are

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MIS onetime expenses. So, we made out of

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$253,450

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in regards to setting up switches,

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firewalls, and things that they need for

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UPS um that would cost um a one time

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onetime expense for that first six

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months. And so, that is um what the DOCC

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expenses are as of today. Do you have

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any questions about those before we go

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into the professional services contract?

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Well, the the onetime expenses that's

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part of getting the building up and

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going, is that not budgeted in the

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construction?

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>> Cost?

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>> No. This so things that are not budgeted

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in the Clinko contract would be what we

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need in order to set up our IT or MIS

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system. So that wiring and switches were

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not included. Another thing that is not

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included that we need to discuss in

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policy and governance is that we have

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150 cameras. Um the conduit has been

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run. We went verified the conduit was

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large enough so that way we don't have

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to run additional. Um but we have to

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purchase the cameras and the contract

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with Dig in order to install those. So

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we're estimating that around $210,000.

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Same type of situation that we got into

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when with the sheriff's office and

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emergency management where you or Lo in

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that in that circumstance had done the

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construction but then that wasn't

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accounted for. that is an ARPA eligible

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expense and the century and I are

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working really hard in order to close

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out projects to determine how much funds

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we have left in order to reallocate

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between now and December 31st. Um and

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there's that much you know for sure you

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know plus more remaining and so we just

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the commissioners need to have that

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discussion to see if we just utilize

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those funds. The challenge is is that we

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would have to be able to get that

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installed and done by December 31st. So

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that or else becomes a capital expense.

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So that's the reason why I didn't

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include the two, you know, 210,000. But

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this is not included. This is more of a maintenance an MIS wiring situation,

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not something that's handled by foot.

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>> Well, would if if you can't get the

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cameras in and installed

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>> by the end of December deadline, would

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ARPA money, you wouldn't be able to use

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ARPA money for the cameras, right?

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>> Would you not be able to reallocate that

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to the UPS and the switches?

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[clears throat] Um, so we'd have to

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check to see if that is a is an eligible

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expense, but yes, um, Stacy has done a

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really really good job in regards to

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tracking the amount of money that we

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have for ARPA that's been budgeted, the 40 million and then what we also

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have earned in interest in regards to

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make sure that we're utilizing that

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appropriately. Um, so that way we can

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complete that project. And so we're having those discussions

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[clears throat] and that's a very good

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idea. Um, and we'll make sure we utilize

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every penny that is given to us for the

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behavioral care center.

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>> The cameras were we got a vendor. We

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just haven't awarded it yet.

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[clears throat]

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>> And we just need to locate the funds.

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But with the close out of benefits,

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>> close out the close out of the co

341
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benefits with the close out of some of

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the other there's, you know, several for

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cremation and burials. We should be able

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to have enough money if the

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commissioners choose to utilize it in

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that in that fashion. So, that's the

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reason why I didn't [clears throat]

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include it, but that's kind of where

349
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we're at. Um, you know, and then we can

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get into

351
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>> I would just verify that with Amy that

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we can do that because Stacy, I

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understand that the cameras are are bid

354
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and all of that, but for the camera part

355
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of the project to be substantially

356
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complete to comply with the guidelines

357
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of ARPA, you're going to have to have

358
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everything else done and then it

359
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installed. And I'm just saying in case

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there's a hiccup to where you can't get

361
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the cameras installed by the December

362
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31st deadline,

363
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>> then we could utilize those funds for

364
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this particular piece and then the money

365
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that we would if we were going to

366
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allocate $253,000 for this. If we can

367
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use ARA for this, then we could ship

368
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those funds over to the cameras.

369
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>> Absolutely. And you know, we'll get

370
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further into um into what the

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professional services contract looks

372
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like, but else that we need to keep in

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mind and have talked to several other

374
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offices keep in mind in regards to the

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funding of the behavioral care center is

376
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that we do have sales tax on the ballot

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for November um which includes

378
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operational expenses for the behavioral

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care center. And so it may be, you know,

380
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best in order to wait until November in

381
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order to to see what happens with that

382
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and then, you know, have the new

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commissioner in place so that way we

384
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have a really good idea of, you know,

385
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what we would have to use for general

386
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fund um dollars in order, you know, to

387
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possibly offset it if it if it does not

388
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pass. And so deferring to November may

389
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be an option, but we felt like it was

390
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still very important to follow up since

391
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we told you we were bringing this to

392
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September supplement in order to discuss

393
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where we're at, be able to discuss some

394
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of the questions. I know that um offices

395
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have had about food and transportation,

396
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but in regards to funding, you know, it

397
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might be most appropriate to wait till

398
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November. It also gives us time, Cody,

399
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to your point, um in order to utilize

400
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make sure we're utilizing AR dollars

401
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efficiently, um and maybe offsetting

402
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some of this cost between now and

403
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December 31st.

404
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Great questions. Do you have any others

405
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regarding the spreadsheet?

406
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None. So, um, Chris Man will explain to

407
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you the professional services contract

408
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and what this entails. And just leading

409
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into that, one of the things that we

410
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talked about in policy and governance is

411
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rather than um budgeting for um all

412
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three pods, which is 60 beds, um what

413
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we've done is presented a budget for

414
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only one pod for 20 beds. um in and an

415
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approach uh to grow as as we know things

416
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are what we've coined um that you called

417
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and so um we'll go through what that looks like and then I'll share

418
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one

419
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>> before Chris gets started Cody if I can

420
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a couple of questions

421
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um

422
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go over the anticipated revenues

423
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and how that impacts what you're asking

424
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the county to cover and then uh several

425
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Couple months ago, there was a

426
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discussion involving the VA's office and

427
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several others about the target

428
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population.

429
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Have we got that lined out? Do we have

430
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firm commitments that this is going to

431
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happen?

432
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,880
>> Um, well, the the target population is

433
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still not been fully defined,

434
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so that still needs to be worked out.

435
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,440
>> But in terms of it happening, Yeah.

436
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It's the decision that's going to

437
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happen, but in terms of exactly the

438
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scope, that has not been fully worked

439
00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:26,070
out yet.

440
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» I We're looking at people with

441
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,880
misdemeanors if that's in terms of the

442
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>> I know who we're looking at. I've been

443
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,840
involved in this Yeah.

444
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>> quite some time.

445
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,280
>> It's one thing to look at people. It's

446
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another thing to have a commitment to

447
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,760
have the people in the facility. Has all

448
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,280
have all those mechanics been worked

449
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,159
out? That's all I'm asking.

450
00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:45,919
>> No, no, no, no. They're not all.

451
00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:47,600
>> So, we still got to work on that.

452
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,559
>> Yes, we still have to work.

453
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,120
>> Thank you.

454
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,320
>> Um, well, that is the the bottom line

455
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,039
figure, but uh the projected revenue is

456
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,840
425,000.

457
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:00,720
>> The other budget.

458
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,830
>> Oh, yeah. There's another

459
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,720
» Yes. So, um,

460
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some of this somewhat self-explanatory.

461
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I mean, this is the total expense for

462
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the, uh, first six months. I will say

463
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that almost 800,000 of that is startup

464
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costs. So, that wouldn't be sort of what

465
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would be the ongoing cost for something

466
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like that. I I will say also that when

467
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we uh calculated costs, we c we

468
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calculated at at the worst case

469
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scenario. In other words, what the

470
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highest level of costs would be. And

471
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then when we calculated revenue, we did

472
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it in the most conservative way. So that

473
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means there's the largest kind of gap.

474
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If you follow me, you know, the highest

475
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expenses

476
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and then the most conservative revenue.

477
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So that way we would be safest in giving

478
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you the estimate of of what it is.

479
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,880
>> Okay. And then Chris, your revenue, can

480
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you kind of break that down? private

481
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pay, Medicare, Medicaid. Is it somewhere

482
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:03,200
there?

483
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,200
>> Yes, I I have

484
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>> Sorry.

485
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» Oh, okay. Um so on the pro on revenue,

486
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we've got um

487
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248,000

488
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for Medicaid. Remember this is three

489
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months. So to ends with let me say some

490
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other assumptions that we made and that

491
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is that occupancy would be at 65%.

492
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You know because you're ramping up.

493
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>> Um

494
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>> is that 65% of one pod or the entire

495
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,520
>> that's of one pod for this? So 65 So

496
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,320
that's why it's only $248,000

497
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for three months. It's at 65% occupancy

498
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for

499
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>> When you say when you say it's only

500
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248,000

501
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,600
you're pointing at something.

502
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,960
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking at well a

503
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handout that I have I mean not a handout

504
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,960
but a reference that I have but that's

505
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part of that's part of the um Thank you.

506
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,400
that's part of this. So I'm break I'm

507
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,159
breaking this line item out for

508
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:08,400
everybody right now and I'm saying that

509
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,159
of that of that 425,000

510
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:16,080
248,000 of it is Medicaid.

511
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,559
Then we have uh about 14,000

512
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:23,279
uh uh private insurance. And then

513
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,520
there's medication recovery that's about

514
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,919
20,000. And then we have an opioid

515
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:30,799
abatement grant which is 142,000. And

516
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,960
I'm rounding numbers. If you all need

517
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960
specifics, I'm happy to send them out.

518
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,320
>> Is that opioid grant is that part of the

519
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,840
is that from the county?

520
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,799
>> Yes. So yes, that's a grant that I wrote

521
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,159
in partnership with CROS for the AG's

522
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:48,960
opioid abatement grant for 2026. Um

523
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,720
that's $900,000 over three years. Um the

524
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,520
amount that we wrote for for um each

525
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,950
year that Creo will receive is $285,715.

526
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,919
» So the opioid client I know we had

527
00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:05,279
opioid debate that was

528
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,360
>> that is not our settlement. Yeah.

529
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,960
>> Yeah. So we still have roughly $4

530
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,799
million in settlement funds just the

531
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:12,320
county. This is a grant I wrote.

532
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,000
>> You wrote a grant for them

533
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,679
>> for the agent's office

534
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:17,520
>> for their settlement funds.

535
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,360
>> So this is our third third grant. We

536
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,760
were just awarded two weeks ago. Um so

537
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,520
we're very excited that that they

538
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,279
>> is it a county grant though or is it a

539
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,159
grant for

540
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:28,080
>> It is a it's a partnership between the

541
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,559
county and the AG's office and Credos is

542
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,559
the service provider for that grant.

543
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:37,600
>> Okay. And so, um, $285,715

544
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,279
is what we would receive, um, each year,

545
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,320
uh, for, uh, the services provided by

546
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,039
CreoS. And that includes, um, what what

547
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,120
we wrote for was startup costs and

548
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,000
salaries. And so that's including a

549
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
quarter of an FTE for a program

550
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,120
director, a half FTE for a therapist,

551
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,000
two therapists, two half FTEEs for

552
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,640
registered nurses, and two have half

553
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200
FTEEs for case managers. And so our

554
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,960
purpose of this was trying to offset our

555
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,440
startup costs um and especially the

556
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,320
costs in the first year so that we

557
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,000
excuse me so that way these employees

558
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,559
can start you know in January and hire

559
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,880
all the necessary employees in order to

560
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,799
be able to to operate a drill care

561
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,559
center work with uh myself in order on

562
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,960
this grant in regards to compliance that

563
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,279
is required quarterly um for the the

564
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,200
AG's office.

565
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,240
>> Question real quick. We received

566
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,360
basically a version of this last week.

567
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,080
>> Okay. And then a newer version.

568
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,640
>> When you talk about FTEEs, the FTEEs

569
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,760
went up by four from 46.5 to 50.5.

570
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Are the ones that you're referring to

571
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,000
the increase? Where is that? Where are

572
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,159
those extra four FTEs coming from?

573
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:56,320
>> That's the security

574
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,720
>> um in the PNG was decided. Well, it was

575
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
discussed whether Creo should do the

576
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,799
outside security. Um, district one had

577
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,760
requested that or if the county should

578
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159
do that and then the decision was that

579
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:13,760
Creo should do it and it should be on

580
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,960
the Creo budget and so that was added.

581
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Those are the four and it's for FTE

582
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,559
because it's 247 365. So you have 12

583
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,000
hour shifts, you have the day shift,

584
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,919
night shift, front of the week, back of

585
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:29,600
the week. Those are those four extra

586
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,840
staff members to do the outside

587
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,440
security. There is concern about the

588
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,640
security of the grounds. Um so that's

589
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,000
that was for

590
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,480
>> before we can I ask um what you have on

591
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,600
the screen.

592
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440
>> Can I get a copy of that?

593
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,360
>> This one is

594
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,559
>> No, this is showing a full

595
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,880
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

596
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,919
>> You have my copy.

597
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:58,559
You got my copy. The full year. Now I

598
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,559
understand why you were Thank you for

599
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,159
saying

600
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:03,360
there you go. That makes sense. There

601
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,360
you go.

602
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,320
Anyway, any other questions about the grant and including and just for

603
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,600
commentary um the grant is $300,000. The

604
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,679
reason why they only received um the

605
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,159
$285,750

606
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:21,760
is because $14,285

607
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,600
indirect cost for the county. So it

608
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,399
offsets my salary. And so each month

609
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,559
whenever each Whenever I do the

610
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,559
reporting, those funds are actually

611
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,360
removed from my salary and benefits and

612
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,480
remain in the commissioner's 120 fund

613
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,399
and then we'll go back to the general

614
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,200
fund at the end of the year. So, um we

615
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,039
have three grants with AG's office, two

616
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,600
of which that um pay for indirect costs

617
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240
and then because this is only six months

618
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,950
and his number of the $142,857.50

619
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,360
accounts for just six months of of that

620
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,080
year. Jessica, do you have another copy

621
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,120
of this?

622
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,840
>> And then some of these are the onetime

623
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,600
costs,

624
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,799
>> I guess, for the

625
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,799
>> Thank you.

626
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,880
>> Okay, never mind. I see the one time.

627
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,960
>> Yes, I I can go through those startup

628
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,840
cost.

629
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,200
>> Well, I I do have a question on one of

630
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,960
them. We got a vehicle on here. What is

631
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,399
the vehicle for?

632
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:21,600
>> Uh that is for transportation. So, from

633
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720
the jail to the behavioral care center.

634
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Uh you we had a lot of dialogues about

635
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,360
how best to address transportation,

636
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,679
whether the jail should do it, whether

637
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:33,440
we should do it or we should use ride

638
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720
care. Uh in my conversations with the

639
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,240
jail, the jail just said they didn't

640
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,640
have the personnel in order to be able

641
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,559
to do that. And um the uh the cost for

642
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:50,000
Ryare doing it is about 80 $90,000 more

643
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880
a year if they did it than if Creos did

644
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,640
it. So who's who would have ownership of

645
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,240
this vehicle? Is it going to be creop or

646
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,279
is it going to be the county?

647
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,120
>> So we went back and forth in policy and

648
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,840
governance and whether or not um there

649
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,520
was discussion in the clips in regards

650
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,520
to the vehicle. I started putting it in

651
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,679
our B CC estimate of need um but he had

652
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:16,159
also included in his um estimate of

653
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:18,399
need. Um after further discussion with

654
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:21,600
the commissioner's um offices, uh we had

655
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,200
determined since it was already in his

656
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,600
and he's carrying insurance for it, then

657
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
I could work with the DA's office in

658
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,080
order to end that contract list any

659
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,840
assets if there was you know a

660
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,120
non-renewal um that of what you know

661
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,080
would be retained or returned back to

662
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,279
the county. But um we had approached it

663
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,960
both ways but felt like you know

664
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,240
>> well that that's kind of what I was

665
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,960
getting at. If we're purchasing assets,

666
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,519
then I mean need to definitely run that

667
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,120
through the DA's office and make sure

668
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,120
that if any of that needs to be

669
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,519
recouped, if they were to decide not to

670
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,880
continue or the county were uh of the

671
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,240
mindset to move to a different vendor

672
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
>> before the the

673
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440
life expiration of the particular asset,

674
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,200
then we need to make sure that those are

675
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,559
buttoned up on the front end.

676
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,200
>> Yeah. And and listed in in the contract.

677
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,880
But um but so moving forward can change

678
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,679
between now and and November. But um we

679
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:24,640
have uh left it in their contract and

680
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,120
then would address those things stated

681
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,559
by by Cody um to make sure that you know

682
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,559
those were worked out if the contract

683
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,960
was not renewed or if another vendor uh

684
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,640
was selected in the future.

685
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,559
>> Yeah, we're fine with that. How keep

686
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,279
>> and on the watch list you have $400,000

687
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:42,880
for transportation and so you would need

688
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,880
to remove that. And so this is just most

689
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200
cost effective way in order for us to be

690
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,039
able to provide transportation.

691
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,080
not only for those that

692
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,320
will be utilizing the services but also

693
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,120
food.

694
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360
>> Well, but it's not a difference of

695
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,880
400,000 minus 65,000 though, correct?

696
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,919
Because the the 400,000 would have been

697
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:07,600
contemplating an employee expense. I'm

698
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
assuming that they have part of that

699
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
transportation expense in another line

700
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,440
item in your employees.

701
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,720
>> Uh, correct. Yes. Yes.

702
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,000
>> How much is that?

703
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840
>> Uh I I'm sorry, sir. I couldn't tell you

704
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,440
right off the top of my head.

705
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,120
>> Do you know how many FTEEs you have

706
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,000
dedicated to?

707
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,960
>> I have two FTEs for transport.

708
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,399
>> So that would roughly be 100,000

709
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:29,120
somewhere around.

710
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,799
>> How often are you going to be doing

711
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:31,760
transport?

712
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,399
>> Uh well,

713
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:34,399
>> I mean I know it'll be as needed

714
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,720
probably, but how often are you going to

715
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,279
be available? Is it a 247?

716
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,440
>> Good question. Uh we we will do

717
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,080
transport between 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.

718
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,559
We'll use ride care after hours.

719
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:46,960
>> Um

720
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,120
>> is that contemplated a cost for ride

721
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,919
care in?

722
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:52,320
>> Yes, in the budget it is. It is.

723
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,279
>> Okay. So 7A to 7P.

724
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,279
>> Yeah. 7 days a week.

725
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:02,000
>> So you'll be able to have two FTEEs

726
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,320
cover 7 to 7 days a week, 365 days a

727
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,879
year. I know that may sound uh unusual,

728
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:11,200
but not the way we do our shifts. So,

729
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,839
you have 12-hour shifts and so a person

730
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,359
works um 31 12s and another person works

731
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,159
41 12s and then they they they switch.

732
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,000
>> Yeah. But they have vacation, they got

733
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,720
sick, they

734
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:23,839
>> Yeah. Then we would back them with

735
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:24,800
somebody else.

736
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,320
>> Well, but when you back them with

737
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,200
somebody else, there's going to be

738
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,200
expenses related to that. Correct.

739
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,399
Because then they're going to have to be

740
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:31,359
back.

741
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,919
>> Yes. No. Yes. I agree. But I mean, we

742
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:36,480
have the staffing in order to address

743
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280
that without hiring an extra person to

744
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,159
do that. You know, we we have a we have

745
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,560
a food person there. There there's there

746
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,399
are people that we can shift around if

747
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:49,040
that makes sense. So, we could do that.

748
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,440
>> I've got your list of FTEEs here that

749
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,879
was on your on the old one. So, are

750
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:58,560
these considered facility support?

751
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,880
because I don't see that anything on the

752
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,960
FTE regarding transportation.

753
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,320
>> Um, yeah, there there is there is

754
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,880
a recovery coach. I I don't know if we

755
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,800
listed them as a transport person.

756
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,640
>> You do have a recovery coach.

757
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,280
>> Uh, and but there's several in there.

758
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,040
I'm sorry, I don't have that.

759
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,480
>> It's six in the morning and six in the

760
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,359
evening.

761
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,920
Yeah, but there there should be more up

762
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,280
above. There's going to be some other

763
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,400
people there. I'm sorry, I don't have

764
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:30,640
that.

765
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,880
>> Oh, you're right. I'm sorry.

766
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,480
>> Transport driver recovery coach.

767
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,280
>> Okay, there you go.

768
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,119
>> Okay, got it.

769
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:37,839
>> Thank you.

770
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:42,470
Commissioner.

771
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,040
» Okay. Um,

772
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,560
well, I don't know how much detail or

773
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,000
how granular. I know there are

774
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,599
particular areas that you want questions

775
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,160
on. I mean, in terms of revenue, I think

776
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,920
I went through all the revenue items

777
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,920
there. If you want to know what the

778
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,680
startup costs are, again, they're close

779
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
to 800,000. A lot of that is attributed

780
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,040
to uh 472,000 of it is for employees

781
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,200
because we have to start them before we

782
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,880
actually provide services. So, that's

783
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,920
considered a startup cost.

784
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,839
>> Sign on bonuses.

785
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:14,960
>> Yeah. Sorry.

786
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,880
>> Yeah. So

787
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,280
nurses, it's very difficult to get

788
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,400
nurses and so you have to you have to do

789
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,160
sign on bonuses and then the sign on

790
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,599
bonuses are are for the nurses to commit

791
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,000
to a certain period of time you know in

792
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,359
other words so in order to get these

793
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,520
sign on bonuses you have to say I'm

794
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,280
going to work here and I'm going to work

795
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,720
here for two or more years you know and

796
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,520
so it's a very competitive market for

797
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,960
nurses

798
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,079
>> and it's it's somewhat standard

799
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,000
to do that.

800
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,160
>> Uh I had a few individual questions on

801
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,079
your expenses because I'm comparing them

802
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,520
with the last one that

803
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,720
>> I received.

804
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:59,040
>> U you have roughly $130,000

805
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,640
increase from the last report in

806
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,240
information technology and clinical

807
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,560
monitoring. So can you explain that one?

808
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,560
>> Uh yes. So in uh policy and government

809
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,079
there was a discussion uh Dane uh spoke

810
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,599
about uh the servers and the

811
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,920
uh the racks and all that sort of thing.

812
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,079
There was a discussion about you were

813
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,599
there as you recall. I'm just um and

814
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,920
there was a discussion about

815
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,000
was the county going to pay for these

816
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,960
items or was it going to end up on this

817
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,920
budget? And then the the decision was in

818
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,000
that policy and governance to take

819
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,119
about about that amount off of um

820
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,240
off of the the county ask and move it

821
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,240
over to

822
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,880
our budget. So, so I just that's what

823
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,440
that is.

824
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:53,760
>> Okay.

825
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,520
>> It's it's just shifting that from one to

826
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,079
the other.

827
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,680
>> Yeah. I'm just wanting some explanation.

828
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,760
>> Oh, no, no, no. And it's not a one to

829
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,680
one because uh when Gain presented it, was over 200. Ours is 190. And that's

830
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,040
because um we are trying to phase some

831
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,520
of these startup costs. So, we can delay

832
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,320
some of the startup costs to year two.

833
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,640
So, that's that's why it's not the same

834
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,839
amount that Dane uh said he was going to

835
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:22,880
take. when we Paul, do you mind if I ask

836
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,400
a follow to what he just said before you

837
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,119
carry on? You said that some startup

838
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,440
costs may be able to be delayed until

839
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,240
year two. If as we're looking at this

840
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,839
and we're looking at the expenses and

841
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:35,119
everything and we're say, "Okay, these

842
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,320
are ongoing expenses." Uh so when we're

843
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,359
thinking about how we're going to be

844
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,200
able to fund this into the future, we're

845
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,480
not going to have to worry about the

846
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,320
onetime costs moving forward. It's just

847
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,079
going to be the ongoing. But you just

848
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,480
mentioned that there's going to be some

849
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,040
potentially startup costs that are

850
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,400
shifted into future years.

851
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,079
Do you have that? And

852
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,800
>> yes, a year two startup cost would be

853
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,400
182,000.

854
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:08,240
So, so um the uh the startup cost for for

855
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,000
year one, I mean startup costs are

856
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,920
actually 862,000,

857
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,200
but then we're taking this opioid money

858
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,839
and um

859
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:21,040
okay, thank you. Um

860
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,040
and discounting that so you can just see

861
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,232
that because this is grant cost

862
00:39:25,232 --> 00:39:26,800
[clears throat] setting the cost cost of

863
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,359
it. So it's we're saying 791, but it's

864
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:33,839
really 862. So for year two, um again,

865
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,000
it's going to be an additional 182. So

866
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,839
we didn't couldn't put off that much,

867
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:41,599
but the fact that we're not opening um

868
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,440
pod two and three,

869
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,200
>> uh there are some things that we could

870
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560
delay, and we just thought it was in the

871
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,000
county's interest, and everyone's

872
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,520
interest that we uh delay some of these

873
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,720
startup costs that weren't necessary.

874
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,400
um to to year two rather than putting it

875
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,520
all on one.

876
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,359
>> Okay. So, how much will the contract be

877
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,440
that that you will submit to the BOCC

878
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,240
for approval for for the first six

879
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:08,800
months?

880
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,560
>> So, the very top

881
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,880
>> it'll be the 2.146.

882
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,359
>> Yeah.

883
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:15,680
>> Okay. And that's for 6 months for 20

884
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,560
beds.

885
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,119
>> Yes.

886
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,680
>> Okay. So, in just I mean you may not

887
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,599
have this yet, but let's say when all 60

888
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:23,040
beds are open, do you have any idea what

889
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,320
the annual cost [clears throat] will be?

890
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:24,720
>> Yes.

891
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,320
>> 6.7. That's what

892
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,720
>> I didn't because this is subject to

893
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,280
change once we learn more about you know

894
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,520
once we open up the payroll care center

895
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,240
and we you know really master the intake

896
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,800
process and partnerships and Medicaid

897
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,480
and Medicare and that reimbursement and

898
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,839
understand it. It's the reason why I

899
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:45,839
didn't provide the the annual because

900
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:48,720
it's subject to change. Um but the

901
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,839
estimate of the total expenses for three

902
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:54,968
pods um we showed here at

903
00:40:54,968 --> 00:40:59,990
[clears throat] 11,69,9466

904
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,240
with an estimated projected revenue of

905
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,748
$4,89,678.70.

906
00:41:06,758 --> 00:41:08,240
[clears throat] So the estimate of need

907
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,280
that would be needed for a full year

908
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,430
starting FY28 would be 6,750,267.

909
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,359
Um and then like you said those onetime

910
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:22,160
startup costs we had talked about this

911
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,880
um before he had um removed some of that

912
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,319
and I think you just mentioned it in

913
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:27,760
regards to you know we we're not

914
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,200
operating costs we don't need to be

915
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,200
outfitting it with computers and

916
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,599
>> I didn't think the $2.5 million would be

917
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,000
you know times two times three you know

918
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000
just I assume you're obviously going to

919
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,960
have some

920
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,160
>> I know it's going to be changed.

921
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:40,400
>> Sure.

922
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,480
>> Well, can you give me that $11 million

923
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
number again because I think that's

924
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,880
something that we need to be considering

925
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,720
moving forward because I mean for 6

926
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,440
months we're anticipating $648,000

927
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,079
for Medicaid reimbursement. I'm assum

928
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,480
assuming that you've extrapolated those

929
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,240
numbers out on an annual basis. And I'm

930
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,680
just not fully convinced from talking to

931
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839
other people in the medical industry, I

932
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:12,000
know that um Medicaid is u

933
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,160
it's not always easy to get reimbursed

934
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,599
on that stuff. So, I mean

935
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,839
I if we commit to this and we're

936
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,480
committing for $6.7 million, we have to

937
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,920
understand that we're actually not.

938
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,240
We're committing for the 11.6 six and

939
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,839
hoping that we get those other revenues

940
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:32,640
back in.

941
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,960
>> Again, I I want to say yes, it's very

942
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,359
important for us to be uh sober about

943
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:42,000
everything. Um the expenses are um

944
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,680
maximized.

945
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,800
So that meaning that every single bed is

946
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,880
full every single day of the year, which

947
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,119
is not going to happen. So that means

948
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,119
the max for what we would pay for food,

949
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,960
the max we would pay for transportation,

950
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,640
the max we would pay for every single

951
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,160
thing. And again I I think

952
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,920
but I I also want to say that number

953
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,119
represents us maxing everything. And

954
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,640
then the um the revenue is a

955
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,920
conservative revenue. So it's at 55%

956
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,640
Medicaid. Um,

957
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,040
>> have you looked at other programs

958
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,680
similar to this in the United States and

959
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,920
compared what their um the revenue that

960
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,760
they're getting back in from a Medicaid

961
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000
standpoint to come with to come up with

962
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,560
your 55% number that you just mentioned.

963
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,720
>> You're the first ones, aren't you?

964
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,319
>> We'll be pretty much the first ones that

965
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:39,119
model.

966
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,040
>> Uh, well, others have done it. The thing

967
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,280
is like Tennessee

968
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,400
um they don't bill they're funded

969
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,800
they're part of the sheriff's department

970
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,920
budget.

971
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,520
>> Um and so now there may be other places

972
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,839
but those are the people I would talk

973
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:58,400
>> I think Brandon was not including them

974
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,480
when he said the only ones because

975
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,520
knowing that Nashville doesn't build

976
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
>> so this is really one of the only ones.

977
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,760
I'm just wondering where you came up

978
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,920
with the 55%

979
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,839
wag

980
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:16,079
if there's no like you know industry

981
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,480
number that that you can look at.

982
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,760
>> Well, we we tried to project um on uh

983
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,400
what the Medicaid population would be

984
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,599
based on um the um

985
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,440
uh the economic situation that we

986
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,200
thought most of the people would be in.

987
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,280
What were the known statistics which I

988
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,200
can't tell you right in front of you

989
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,200
right now what the known statistics

990
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,240
would be for for you know because med

991
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,680
medicaid is income based and so uh

992
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,440
people who tend to be in jail you know

993
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,880
what would be the percentage of people

994
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,880
who would be at a particular income base

995
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,160
that would be eligible for Medicaid uh

996
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,440
also um there are certain statistics

997
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,400
about uh people who are repeat offenders

998
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,960
27% I know that one um um do have mental

999
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,280
health problems and and so on and so

1000
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,040
they're likely to um qualify for

1001
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,119
Medicaid. So it's really it's based on

1002
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,079
statistics. I could prepare something

1003
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,000
and then send it to you after this.

1004
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,359
>> Well, breaks that out a little bit

1005
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:22,720
better. And and then the other thing,

1006
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,760
and I don't want to belabor this too too

1007
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,880
much longer, but um I I know there's

1008
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,760
been some questions in the past, we're

1009
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,720
locating the facility

1010
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,359
just outside the number of feet that we

1011
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:39,200
think the requirement is from the jail

1012
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,000
to behavioral care so that it is not an

1013
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,240
incarcereral facility so we can build

1014
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,839
Medicaid. But there's some some question

1015
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:52,480
since this hasn't really um been done

1016
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,079
elsewhere.

1017
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,400
Are we fairly certain that we're not

1018
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,040
going to get push back when we actually

1019
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,560
start submitting stuff to Medicaid even

1020
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,440
if it's somebody that is eligible?

1021
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Have do we have any you know any

1022
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000
guidance from any type of administration

1023
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400
or anything showing that that is

1024
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,319
something that they are in fact going to

1025
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:17,200
be reimbursing on in our particular

1026
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,720
situation.

1027
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,480
>> Um well we we see it as analogous to

1028
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,040
drug court you know so drug court is

1029
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,400
funded by Medicaid. Um

1030
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,599
the BCC is not a jail. Okay. Has no

1031
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,760
license as a jail. It has nothing as a

1032
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,720
jail. there there are no jail employees

1033
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,640
in the BCC.

1034
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,319
Um it is a distinct facility, you know,

1035
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:44,319
and it's going to be licensed and

1036
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:47,839
certified as a healthc care facility.

1037
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,960
And so based on that, we can build. I

1038
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,720
mean, we will have the certification,

1039
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,800
>> but but that gets to my point earlier,

1040
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,480
Chris, and I agree with everything you

1041
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,040
just said.

1042
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,240
All of that is true only if

1043
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,280
we have the buy in of the district

1044
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,359
attorney's office. We have an identified

1045
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:09,680
population. There may be some instances

1046
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,240
where police drop off directly to you in

1047
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,800
the charges, right? So that kind of like

1048
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,560
a crisis center or some other way where

1049
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,400
that's probably cut and dry that you can

1050
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,640
seek reimbursement if they're eligible.

1051
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,839
>> But the is that is that part of the

1052
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,760
program? Well, that was something that

1053
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,000
we had been talked about in order to

1054
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,960
alleviate people even being brought into

1055
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,680
the the judicial process in the first

1056
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,560
place. But again, I'm not involved in

1057
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,240
those discussions. I was involved one

1058
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,589
time.

1059
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:47,920
» Um, so I I don't know. But

1060
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,680
>> no, I I I do want to say the district

1061
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,319
attorney does want this project to work.

1062
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:55,520
Uh so when I and I just want to be clear

1063
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,920
this what I said earlier is what's being

1064
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,800
under discussion isn't whether district

1065
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,520
attorney is going to support the program

1066
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,079
and that we're going to get people. It's

1067
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,480
what is the exact target population that

1068
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,480
hasn't been worked out like at what

1069
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,599
point does the district attorney feel I

1070
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,599
want to speak for her but you know she's

1071
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,040
going to decide this is you know these

1072
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,960
are the charges this is the level this

1073
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,720
is what we're going to say people can go

1074
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,119
to the BCC at that's the part that

1075
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,280
hasn't been decided but but in terms of

1076
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,400
her supporting the BCC and creating

1077
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,640
something that that's definitely there

1078
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,559
>> but it seems like that part would be

1079
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,960
extremely important to nail down before

1080
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,079
we look at budget allocations so we know

1081
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,760
how many beds we're going to need and

1082
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,359
all of that. We don't know that until we

1083
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:46,880
and when I say we, I'm not necessarily

1084
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,079
talking around this table. I'm talking

1085
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,319
about the county in general. We don't

1086
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:53,040
know how big or how small this program

1087
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,359
is going to be until we know exactly

1088
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:57,839
what the program is going to be. Maybe

1089
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:01,200
I'm missing something, but

1090
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,920
>> well,

1091
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,400
everybody, as far as I know, is inre is

1092
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,400
in agreement about it's for people who

1093
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,160
have misdemeanors.

1094
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,319
And so that that's a defined population

1095
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:17,440
right there. I I think what's what's under discussion is really the

1096
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,160
acuity of the person, which is kind of a

1097
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,640
separate issue. So So you you've got a

1098
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,319
legal issue and then you got a medical

1099
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:25,520
issue.

1100
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,440
>> You see what I'm saying? What is that

1101
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,079
Chris? Is that medical issue issue

1102
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,960
mental or drugreated?

1103
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,440
>> Um they could be either but the question

1104
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,119
is whether a person would be under an

1105
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,960
emergency order of detention or not. Um

1106
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,000
you know that's

1107
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
the original vision for the BCC was um

1108
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,400
for people with low acuity mental health

1109
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,160
conditions and misdemeanors only. But

1110
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,440
then there's been discussions now about

1111
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,319
um whether the acuity of the mental

1112
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:02,720
health of an individual needed to be

1113
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,480
higher or not.

1114
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,559
>> Well, my question discussion,

1115
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,800
>> forgive me for interrupting, but my

1116
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,480
question would be if somebody has some

1117
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,920
mental issue, do they have the capacity

1118
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:21,109
to volunteer to be in this program?

1119
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,040
» Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, there's a lot of

1120
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,160
people with mental health challenges who

1121
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,880
are still considered competent. You

1122
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,920
know, the

1123
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,640
>> What's that ruled on by?

1124
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,559
>> Uh, well, I mean, usually that's not

1125
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:42,319
ruled by a doctor unless there there's clear evidence and questions

1126
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,240
about a person's capacity, which is

1127
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:48,319
rare. So, most of the people um that's

1128
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,559
never questioned. You know, we serve

1129
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,079
people every day. they have

1130
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,599
schizophrenia, they're considered

1131
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,359
competent and so on. The population

1132
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:59,200
that's not considered competent is

1133
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,640
actually fairly small.

1134
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,920
>> But I guess my question goes to

1135
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,160
who makes that determination? Is it a

1136
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,960
sheriff's deputy? Is it Oklahoma City

1137
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,160
police or whatever that says this person

1138
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,119
has this issue? How is that evaluated in

1139
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,800
employers?

1140
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,880
Is that evaluated in the jail

1141
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,160
and tell charges? I've heard that the DA

1142
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,200
is going to have somebody on site and a

1143
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,640
public defender is going to have

1144
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,960
somebody on site and this and that. Who

1145
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,880
makes that determination?

1146
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,800
>> We will have a therapist. So, in the

1147
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,359
budget, we have a therapist 247 in the

1148
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:40,079
jail. And so part of their role is to

1149
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,040
assess people for the appropriateness

1150
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,640
>> coming in over here.

1151
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,440
>> Oh, I'm sorry, sir.

1152
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,599
>> As they're coming in over here,

1153
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:49,200
>> yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, they're going to be

1154
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,359
at the detention center. There's four

1155
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:54,400
Well, it's going to be one 24/7 365.

1156
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,240
There'll always be a therapist in the

1157
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,040
detention center and they are evaluating

1158
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,880
people to determine if they're

1159
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,040
appropriate. I will say like when it

1160
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,400
comes to competency, it's just like um

1161
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,960
uh when somebody's accused of a crime,

1162
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,960
you're innocent until proven guilty.

1163
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,559
You're considered competent until

1164
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,720
there's really grounds that one's

1165
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:15,839
incompetent.

1166
00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:18,480
>> That all happens before once they come

1167
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,880
into the sally port before the booking

1168
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,200
process, they will be assessed.

1169
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,319
>> Okay. But I'm just saying that somebody

1170
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:31,280
is thrilled that they have mental issues

1171
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,200
possibly incompetent, they can't

1172
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,400
volunteer.

1173
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,680
>> Correct.

1174
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,520
>> So, these are people that are ruled

1175
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,400
competent and then they can go.

1176
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:40,800
>> Correct.

1177
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,280
>> But they could also opt out. Correct.

1178
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,440
They could go over there and say, "H, I

1179
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,200
don't like this. I'm better off over

1180
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,160
here." Correct.

1181
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,680
>> Sure. If they don't want to, if they

1182
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,119
don't want to go through the program at

1183
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,880
BCC, then yes, they then based on their

1184
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,960
level of mental acuity, they would be

1185
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,319
placed in a proper mental health bed in

1186
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:03,280
the jail,

1187
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,400
>> which is what my concern is on Medicaid.

1188
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,400
I understand that we're trying to thread

1189
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,200
a needle and it's you're licensed as a

1190
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,920
healthc care facility, yada yada yada.

1191
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,880
But my concern is is that we might not

1192
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,040
have somebody and [clears throat] you

1193
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,839
know the Medicaid process that says,

1194
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:24,880
"Well, yeah, but if they leave here,

1195
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,200
they don't just get to go home, they're

1196
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,920
going to go over to the jail, so we're

1197
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,680
not going to reimburse on that because

1198
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,400
it's kind of a a quasi facility. It's

1199
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,319
not just a traditional hospital."

1200
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:38,640
>> Lisa, is this something that's on the

1201
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,200
DA's radar anytime soon to try and nail

1202
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,160
these questions down? I have not been

1203
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,880
involved in these discussions. Um that's

1204
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,280
going to be with the criminal side of

1205
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,760
the team. You know, I'm civil and so I

1206
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,359
do know that we have uh assigned ADAs

1207
00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:59,280
that have been participating in these

1208
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,760
conversations to get this down. But to

1209
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,520
say it's a quasi, I would totally

1210
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,359
disagree that this is a quasi because

1211
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,680
the entire purpose of this is that they

1212
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,680
will be signing contracts that basically

1213
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,680
say we are going to delay. We're not

1214
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,440
going to charge. There's not going to be

1215
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,680
any any individual that goes into that

1216
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,520
behavioral health care center there.

1217
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,760
There's going to be a clear distinction

1218
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,480
that they are not incarcerated. They are

1219
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,079
not there under their against their

1220
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,640
will. They are not under guard. And so

1221
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,200
I'd take on Medicare Medicare if they

1222
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,559
decide that they don't want to pay on

1223
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,119
that. But the thing is is that right now

1224
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,599
currently uh mental health departments

1225
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,440
and mental health facilities face this

1226
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,160
anyway because if we do get a police

1227
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,160
officer that picks somebody up on a

1228
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,760
criminal charge and they take them to a

1229
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
mental health facility

1230
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,920
there the Medicaid is still paying for

1231
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,400
those uh individuals if they're

1232
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,280
committed. Um and Gretchen pointed this

1233
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,319
out too. you know the the difference

1234
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:59,599
between um competency for trial is

1235
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,000
different than civil commitment. Civil

1236
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,880
commitment you can be 100% competent.

1237
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,640
All you have to be is a danger to self

1238
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,520
and others uh to get to get involuntary

1239
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,880
commitment. So there are different legal

1240
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,599
standards but I do think that there is a

1241
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,880
clear path to make sure that this is

1242
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,520
this type of facility and that Medicare

1243
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,319
Medicaid billing can occur. Um and

1244
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:25,040
hopefully we have mental health partners

1245
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,280
and department of mental health. Yeah.

1246
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,359
>> Can assist with this because really what

1247
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:31,119
the county is doing is a great service

1248
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,280
to the state of Oklahoma and I can't the

1249
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,040
community of Oklahoma because mental

1250
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,119
health uh department of mental health

1251
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:38,800
state mental health doesn't have a

1252
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,640
facility like this that that the county

1253
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,559
is going to be able to step in. One

1254
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,319
thing that I will make clear though is

1255
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:46,559
it will have to behavioral health care

1256
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,960
centers can and can need can be

1257
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,040
hospitals. Hospitals mean that there's

1258
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,040
inpatient. It has to be inpatient. It

1259
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,480
can't be an outpatient treatment

1260
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,559
facility. They have to be committed in

1261
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,960
an inpatient facility for it to qualify

1262
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,520
as a hospital um to be operated by the

1263
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,200
county. And I just want to say that.

1264
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,119
>> So

1265
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:06,640
going back to kind of what Cody was

1266
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,160
talking about, you say there's not a

1267
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,640
quality, my assumption would be given

1268
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,079
some of the conversations that I've

1269
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,400
previously been in once they sign this

1270
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,559
contract, Joe's going to go there for

1271
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,359
three days, right? in in of the charges

1272
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,520
being filed and I'm gonna participate if

1273
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,319
I I decide well part of this is freedom

1274
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:26,240
of movement I think also right in order

1275
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,640
to be eligible to receive this but let's

1276
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,200
just say I decided that's it I'm done

1277
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,799
then Chris your staff would notify the

1278
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:37,680
DA's office that Joe had gone home so

1279
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,839
we're not you're not transporting

1280
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:41,839
somebody directly to the jail that

1281
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:44,000
that's going to be up to your office

1282
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,079
>> I I think it's going to be a point where

1283
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:49,040
we get notified notified of a breached

1284
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,000
contract on that

1285
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,200
>> and then there's a warrant issued

1286
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,480
>> and then they'll probably

1287
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,280
>> So there's

1288
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,680
>> on the criminal side there'll be action

1289
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,960
taken after the release not before. So,

1290
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,040
like you said, I think I think that and

1291
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,480
if that's not been part of the

1292
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,720
discussions, I can pass that along to

1293
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,359
Vicki that that should be part of the

1294
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:08,960
discussions because the one thing we

1295
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,880
definitely don't want to do is we don't

1296
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,760
want to cross over into this being, like

1297
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,319
you said, the quasi. And so, it's going

1298
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:18,720
to take all of those steps and elements

1299
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,520
to be put in policy to make sure that we

1300
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,520
are operating the way that we need to be

1301
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,000
operating. So then to get back to my

1302
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,680
question about the revenue and Medicaid

1303
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,920
side and

1304
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,400
those numbers are based upon what has

1305
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,280
been talked about with the DA and the in

1306
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,599
the direction that you all are heading

1307
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,400
in. Okay. So there's some level of

1308
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,880
comfort that that number

1309
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,079
as conservative is it is likely.

1310
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,400
>> Yeah. That it's in the ballpark. I mean

1311
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,520
again we wanted we don't know what's

1312
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,480
going to happen. Okay.

1313
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,680
>> Right. Um, but it's in our interest to

1314
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,720
kind of lowball things uh because we

1315
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,480
don't want to come back to you and say,

1316
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,480
"Oh gosh, you know, we really kind of

1317
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,359
went off on the deep end." And so we we

1318
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:07,440
tried to be conservative but realistic,

1319
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,640
not to come back to you and say, "Hey,

1320
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,960
guess what? We can't get any revenue.

1321
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:11,599
>> We got to come back."

1322
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,400
>> Lisa, I I do I going back to whenever I

1323
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,319
was in district one and working on this.

1324
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,079
I completely agree with you in your

1325
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:21,359
assessment. My concern is just from what

1326
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:24,000
I've heard with Medicaid looking for

1327
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,839
reasons to deny.

1328
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:26,240
>> True.

1329
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,319
>> I that's what I'm concerned about is

1330
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:30,640
that they're going to tr

1331
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,040
say well this is different than all of

1332
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,359
these other circumstances out there and

1333
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:37,200
so we're going to deny that. That's all

1334
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,119
my point is. I agree with you that it

1335
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:40,240
should qualify, but

1336
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,160
>> it it should absolutely qualify. And if

1337
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,119
it makes it in the room, if it makes

1338
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,200
everybody feel a little bit better, back

1339
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,720
when we were I was here the last time in

1340
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,880
my last tour of duty at the VA's office,

1341
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,559
I had all of those cases with U medical

1342
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,160
and was going through their billing

1343
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,200
statements. And there is a Medicaid

1344
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,720
provision. I'll have to look it up

1345
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,640
because like I said, this has been, you

1346
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,799
know, probably going on seven, eight

1347
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,480
years ago.

1348
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,880
There was a Medicaid provision that any

1349
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,319
even a jail person who is in jail, if

1350
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:16,079
they are committed to a hospital

1351
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,720
facility for more than 72 hours and they

1352
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,880
qualify, Medicaid is supposed to pick up

1353
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,680
the bill uh uh if they're hospitalized

1354
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,079
over 72 hours and that's when they are

1355
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,160
literally incarcerated in the jail and

1356
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,079
have been moved to the facility for

1357
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,799
medical treatment. So even in a jail

1358
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,480
context

1359
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,280
after three days Medicaid supposed to

1360
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,440
>> supposed to It's supposed to again like

1361
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,160
I said like I said I understand exactly

1362
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,319
what you're talking about. The thing is they're not going to do it in uh

1363
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,480
voluntarily. Do you know what I mean?

1364
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,920
We're going to have to submit the

1365
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,839
paperwork and like I said make sure it's all there and you know that's what

1366
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:56,799
we have

1367
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,640
>> the vendor who's an expert in this. Uh

1368
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,119
that's that's why we we've hired them.

1369
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:04,960
So, you know, at this point, you're

1370
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,839
right. Uh, it is definitely there's

1371
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,319
always that risk, but at the end of the

1372
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:12,400
day, if the person qualifies for

1373
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,480
Medicare and Medicaid, that

1374
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,951
reimbursement should happen. And

1375
01:00:16,951 --> 01:00:18,319
[clears throat] the good news is is you

1376
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:20,720
have the DA's office, if we have to go

1377
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,520
take a lawsuit or go get an, you know,

1378
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,480
declaratory rel we can do that, too. I'm

1379
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,400
not saying that we will have to, but at

1380
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,200
least you're not going to be paying, you

1381
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,280
know, outside council fees if you have

1382
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,880
to go after Medicaid on

1383
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,680
>> So, you're I find it Yes, I I I totally

1384
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,221
support what you're saying. I'm sorry.

1385
01:00:39,221 --> 01:00:42,319
[snorts] Um I find it highly unlikely,

1386
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:46,319
you know, take the analog of um

1387
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:48,400
specialty courts. You have people who

1388
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,880
have charges. They are required to go to

1389
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,280
treatment. Medicaid pays that every day

1390
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,599
of the week. you know, I mean, it's a

1391
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,000
totally separate facility and it's

1392
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,319
licensed and run as a mental health.

1393
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:02,480
There's all the paperwork that backs it

1394
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,559
there. In fact, we'd have a hard time

1395
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:06,400
proving [clears throat] we were a jail.

1396
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,000
We don't we don't have any of the

1397
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,760
documentation that could prove that we

1398
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,680
were a jail. We'd have all the

1399
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,520
documentation that could prove that we

1400
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,440
are a medical facility. And so, I I just

1401
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,520
don't see

1402
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,839
that being issued. So would I be correct

1403
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:27,520
in assuming that these numbers represent

1404
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,960
your picture of what the worst case

1405
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,400
scenario would be? In other words, the

1406
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,200
expenses are you're estimating them high

1407
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,599
and you may be estimating your revenues

1408
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:40,960
lower.

1409
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,200
>> Yes. Yes. Um you know I mean I'm I I

1410
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,559
tried when we were doing the revenue

1411
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,880
did I go to the lowest of the low? No, I

1412
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,160
didn't go to the low, but I didn't go to

1413
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,280
the highest of the high either. 55% was

1414
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,160
a is a pretty modest. And let me say

1415
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,720
this, too. So, again, that's 55% of

1416
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,520
that's not full occupancy either, you

1417
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,599
know. So, so, so the the number is

1418
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:09,680
smaller and smaller. So, you know, we're

1419
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,200
only projecting 65% occupancy and only

1420
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,680
55% of those 65% of these beds we would

1421
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,000
get any Medicaid on. And then in year

1422
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,240
two it would be 55% of 85%

1423
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,559
occupancy. You know, so we we try to be

1424
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:29,839
fairly conservative, but but I like the

1425
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:31,359
idea that we're doing as we're growing

1426
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:34,319
and we very much uh endorse the idea of

1427
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:37,359
starting out with a pod and then that

1428
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:39,280
the county can have a real view of

1429
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,160
what's coming in and then we can we can

1430
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,599
stage things appropriately.

1431
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,680
>> Jesse, go ahead. Well, I was going to

1432
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,599
say um that 6.7 number that's not the total cost of the center

1433
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:52,880
of the ride.

1434
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,160
>> I was more so trying to what

1435
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,119
>> that's just that was the 11 something.

1436
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:57,520
>> Well,

1437
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,720
>> yes.

1438
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,720
>> So, so projected counting cost, we know

1439
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,400
what that total would be

1440
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:09,040
>> for like a full pod. just um that my my

1441
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:18,870
projections on that spreadsheet

1442
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,319
» because like the first six months we

1443
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:22,319
actually need 3.168, right?

1444
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:23,920
>> Yeah. So this is the first six months.

1445
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,920
So it everything's just doubled for the

1446
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,160
next year. And so I just divided

1447
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,640
everything by two. And so

1448
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,559
>> Okay. Okay. So the 6.7 that you included

1449
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,640
though that was just for professional

1450
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,280
services.

1451
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,510
>> It was 6.7

1452
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,160
» and then

1453
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,599
>> that was just professional services.

1454
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:43,839
That's preo professional services

1455
01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:45,760
contract and then you would of course

1456
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,640
have the you know BOCC estimate of need

1457
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,319
which would just be that number times

1458
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:50,640
two.

1459
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,799
>> But you're opening in April.

1460
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:55,119
>> So we're opening in April

1461
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:55,760
>> and so

1462
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,559
>> so that's three months April May.

1463
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,280
>> Yeah. Yeah. What's happening sir is um

1464
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,599
in the conversation we have people

1465
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,119
talking about year two and then you have

1466
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:06,559
people talking about year one

1467
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,240
>> and so that's why people are losing

1468
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,200
where we're at.

1469
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,359
>> Yeah. This is year one. So the 6.7 is

1470
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:14,319
year two. 11 million is year two.

1471
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:15,839
>> This is year one which is three

1472
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:16,720
>> on the BCC.

1473
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,000
>> And what I'm asking so when we're

1474
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,400
sitting in here in we're sitting in here

1475
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,680
in May or or or April of this year till

1476
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,599
coming up. How much will you be asking

1477
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:27,200
for from the county to run the entire

1478
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,680
program? It won't be 6.7

1479
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,880
>> in May.

1480
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,440
>> Yeah. For FY28 FY28.

1481
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,799
>> Yeah. For FY28.

1482
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:35,920
>> So,

1483
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,359
>> whatever's on that sheet,

1484
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:38,720
>> the 6.7

1485
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,400
>> the um

1486
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,559
>> Yeah, that's FY28. So, so we're talking

1487
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,799
about FY28 one year from now. We're

1488
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:46,079
saying, hey,

1489
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:47,440
>> what's what do we want?

1490
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,640
>> But that's just your piece. I don't

1491
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,240
know. And all the other stuff.

1492
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,640
>> Yeah. This this would be so if you're

1493
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,720
accounting for this is just six months.

1494
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,680
So it'd be an additional um you know 6

1495
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,839
point you know two

1496
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:03,280
>> on top of that for the BCC

1497
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,319
>> huh

1498
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:06,240
>> this is BCC's

1499
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,079
>> no

1500
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,079
double I don't know I'd have to have my

1501
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,240
spreadsheet um so you would account for

1502
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,559
that six.7

1503
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:15,760
>> plus each cost

1504
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,480
>> plus keep plus these salary costs at

1505
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,559
here's our annual expenses 560 and then

1506
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:23,039
um

1507
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:25,839
>> to Jessica because everything in the M1

1508
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:28,400
line but the credos is the county cost

1509
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,480
that we would double for next year

1510
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,359
consistently.

1511
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:31,920
>> Thank you Joe.

1512
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:32,240
>> Okay.

1513
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,400
>> So about 8.9 billion.

1514
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,319
>> Yes. So 2 Yeah.

1515
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:38,559
>> 2 million of four as well.

1516
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,880
>> The reason I mean I just wanted to you

1517
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,119
know because obviously we can I don't

1518
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:44,160
just want to look six months down the

1519
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,720
road. I know we have but if we just plan

1520
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,920
for six months down the road then we

1521
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,079
have no ability to pay for it the full

1522
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:51,359
program going forward. We want to go

1523
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:52,960
from 20 to 60. Do you see what I'm

1524
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:53,359
saying?

1525
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:56,000
>> Wait. Can I bring up something? Uh um

1526
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,599
the county has options. Year two is

1527
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:03,200
three pods running from day one.

1528
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,119
The county can decide that's not what

1529
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:08,079
they want to do. Uh we're doing one pod

1530
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:10,559
in year two. And the county can say, you

1531
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,559
know what, uh we want to delay

1532
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:18,079
opening pod two and three. You could do

1533
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:20,960
that. And then and then the number would

1534
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,240
be a lot less.

1535
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,480
>> Yeah. I think it's a bad look to spend

1536
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,000
$50 million on a building and run a

1537
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,799
third of it.

1538
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:28,880
>> Oh, no. I agree. But I'm just saying,

1539
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,799
you know, if the company's I mean, I'm

1540
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:32,559
sorry, the county is uncomfortable says,

1541
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,319
you know what, let's delay things a

1542
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:35,599
little bit. I'd like to see what the

1543
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,359
revenue train looks like because three

1544
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:38,960
months might not be long enough to see

1545
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,960
where things are going. And so, we like

1546
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,359
to wait a few more months and month

1547
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:44,960
four, year two, is when we'll think

1548
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,640
about getting caught, too.

1549
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,400
>> Jessica, I I don't know if anybody else

1550
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,920
wants this, but for me, it would be

1551
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,640
helpful um for

1552
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,440
future forecasting in my mind for you to

1553
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,640
get me a number a total number of all

1554
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,640
the Keith stuff, all of everything else

1555
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,319
and cre

1556
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:07,119
>> for all three pods and then just for the

1557
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:13,280
one pod for a an FY FY FY to FY bas,

1558
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,480
two pods, three pods.

1559
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,960
>> Yeah. Full year cost.

1560
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,839
with three different options based

1561
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:22,079
off of pods that we're operating.

1562
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:22,799
>> Okay.

1563
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:25,280
>> And Brandon, you know, you you mentioned

1564
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,760
it would look bad to build a $50 million

1565
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,160
facility and only open a third of it.

1566
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,359
>> But that's not up to us. That's up to

1567
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:35,520
someone else to decide whether or not

1568
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,119
we're going to be able to do that. And

1569
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:38,880
we need the buy in from the other people

1570
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,280
that have indicated that they will. But

1571
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,039
we need that continued buy in. Well,

1572
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:44,720
that's that's just making the assumption

1573
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,720
that the customers are going to sign a

1574
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,400
contract when it's presented because

1575
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,839
they built the thing. So,

1576
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:50,480
>> yeah,

1577
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,280
>> your contract includes the food. You

1578
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,760
guys are have a separate food provider

1579
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,520
that you guys are going to have three

1580
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:58,880
meals a day, correct?

1581
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,480
>> Yes, sir.

1582
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,280
>> Hot meals.

1583
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,160
>> Uh, yes. So, you're not relying on a

1584
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,079
transport.

1585
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,400
>> Correct. We did find a vendor. I know

1586
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,920
this is of interest of several people

1587
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,799
around the table. Um, so, uh, we're

1588
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:14,400
contracting with Legacy

1589
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,120
Dining/Perkplace.

1590
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,359
Um, they do do food for, uh, schools

1591
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,759
and, uh, they do do something out at the

1592
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:27,199
airport. Um, and

1593
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:28,880
we thought it was the best option for

1594
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,239
the county. Uh, we we looked into

1595
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:35,199
working something out with the jail. Uh,

1596
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:38,080
but there were a lot of challenges. uh

1597
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,040
they weren't able to provide transport

1598
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,640
also uh the the schedule in which the

1599
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,799
meals are being cooked. They they cook

1600
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:49,040
them very early and they serve breakfast

1601
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,000
at 3 in the morning. Something really uh

1602
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,920
and then um their dinner is is always a

1603
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,359
uh it's a sandwich and is given at

1604
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,120
lunchtime.

1605
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,279
um and we we need to meet certain

1606
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,799
dietary standards and uh those would not

1607
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:09,279
meet the dietary standards. So, so

1608
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,159
that's why we had to um find another

1609
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,679
option. We did have two vendors and we

1610
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:19,839
just felt like Perk Place uh gave us a a

1611
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:21,600
good price and they were going to

1612
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,719
deliver um and so that's what we have.

1613
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,040
>> And that's a pass through. It's covered

1614
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,319
under your contract.

1615
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,000
>> Yes, sir. That was part of the contract.

1616
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,960
You looked at a per person cost on that

1617
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,520
one. The jail couldn't do it. Couldn't

1618
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,080
meet the standards that they need. And

1619
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,319
even if they could, that was going to be

1620
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,359
roughly 12 $12.

1621
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:46,080
>> It was $1525.

1622
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,080
>> Then you looked outside, they went to

1623
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,319
benchmark, which was $30 per person, but

1624
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,000
they settled on

1625
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,640
>> this other one. It's it's 18, which

1626
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,239
includes the delivery.

1627
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,719
>> So I I think If if I heard you correct

1628
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:03,840
earlier that this is not something that

1629
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,679
we're probably going to even necessarily

1630
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:08,000
need to decide for September supplement,

1631
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,199
right? This is going to be a

1632
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,040
Novemberish,

1633
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,159
maybe later uh decision. I mean, we'll

1634
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,440
need to hold some money in reserve to be

1635
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,080
able to fund it if we need to. So, I

1636
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,239
think we we still have some time to to

1637
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:27,679
get some of our questions answered and move forward. I know the the the

1638
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:29,520
clerk's office had some meetings with

1639
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,120
some of the offices back to back this

1640
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,320
afternoon and this morning. So, um let's

1641
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,239
unless does anybody else have any

1642
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:37,600
>> just one quick question.

1643
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,760
>> Are are you confident for the purposes

1644
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,159
of us putting something on the watch

1645
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,280
list that your number that you presented

1646
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,840
I know just our side might change some

1647
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,000
but are you confident that the Creo's

1648
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,400
number at the 2146

1649
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,320
371-96

1650
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,840
is what

1651
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,159
a contract would be.

1652
01:10:58,159 --> 01:10:59,920
>> Yes. Right now that that's that's the

1653
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,520
number unless again we're brought

1654
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,440
something else.

1655
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,440
That that's where it would be.

1656
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:08,719
>> Do you need the money up front like a

1657
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:11,920
check written April 1 to cover April or

1658
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:12,719
you got a bill?

1659
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:14,960
>> Our understanding was that we would

1660
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,800
invoice the

1661
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:17,440
>> reimbursement

1662
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,600
>> and it' be on a reimbursement basis

1663
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,040
>> because that that way you could do

1664
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,520
actual certain like because If if you're

1665
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,960
paying us beforehand, you don't actually

1666
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,719
know what the real costs are and you

1667
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,640
would pay us more money perhaps than you pay.

1668
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,520
>> And will those be detailed invoices and

1669
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,400
expenses?

1670
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,480
>> Uh they would be whatever the county

1671
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,320
wants. So if the county says they want

1672
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:46,709
this level of detail, then that's

1673
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,880
it for you.

1674
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,719
Well, I will I've heard my homework is

1675
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:53,520
that I'm going to provide a budget um to

1676
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,840
the committee members that outlines what

1677
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,320
our annual expenses including option for

1678
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:03,679
one two months with the EOCC expenses.

1679
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:06,800
So, I will provide that.

1680
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,600
>> Did anybody want anything else? Cody, do

1681
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,280
you want any other details?

1682
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,120
>> Um other than what I asked from Jessica,

1683
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,280
not at this time. If I do need anything

1684
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,040
else, I can communicate it to Jessica

1685
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,880
and she can get it over to you. I

1686
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:21,760
appreciate you asking that.

1687
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,600
>> And we do have the detail that Paul was

1688
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,360
referring to in regards to the number of

1689
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,520
FTEEs and I mean like really broke down

1690
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,199
spreadsheet. It was just a little

1691
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,679
massive in order to to print off and and

1692
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:33,360
go through here and I'd be happy to send

1693
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,640
that to everybody as well.

1694
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,600
>> Okay.

1695
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:36,640
>> Thank you, Chris.

1696
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,040
>> Thank you. Hey guys, before we move on

1697
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,040
to the next item, I want to get

1698
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,520
everybody's thoughts here. Erin and I

1699
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,159
have to to bounce out

1700
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:48,239
The sheriff's office has a a hard

1701
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:49,840
meeting with the clerk's office.

1702
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,760
District one, I think, has a meeting at

1703
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,239
11 o'clock and then beyond. So, if you

1704
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,440
guys want to continue on, Christie um

1705
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,120
can run run the meeting or if we want to

1706
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,600
just go ahead and move the rest of the

1707
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,600
agenda items over to our our next week's

1708
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,080
meeting on the 9th. Um I don't know what

1709
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:13,760
you guys want to do, but I know Aaron

1710
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,000
and I have to

1711
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,239
All I should say,

1712
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:19,280
>> I'm for

1713
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,199
>> But I will if we recess, sorry.

1714
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,000
>> Okay.

1715
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,920
>> I'm for moving everything over that we

1716
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,760
haven't got to with the exception of

1717
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,520
Let's go back to the watch list real

1718
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,520
quick and update that because if I if I

1719
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,600
was looking at things correctly, the GCC

1720
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,520
for operations for three months is on

1721
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,040
there at three and a half million

1722
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,199
dollars. That's down to less than 3.2.

1723
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,880
Um, and then I think I heard some

1724
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,400
discussion where we'd like to break that

1725
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,640
out on the watch list specific to

1726
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,080
pre-ops contract and then the

1727
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,920
anticipated county costs.

1728
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:50,560
>> Okay.

1729
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,239
>> Um,

1730
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,159
my math's not great, but I I tried to do

1731
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,640
that based upon what was up there. So,

1732
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,480
and then after that move everything over

1733
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,560
so you you guys can go to your meeting.

1734
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,080
>> So, you're saying change the watch list

1735
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,199
item from 3.545 to 3168?

1736
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:07,679
>> Yeah. Or actually, Brandon, change the I

1737
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:08,800
think they they said that the

1738
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,560
transportation cost could come off. Is

1739
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,040
that correct?

1740
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,320
>> Well, it won't be in that number, but

1741
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:13,280
the transportation cost,

1742
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,120
>> right? So, that'll come off. Remove

1743
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:15,600
that.

1744
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,120
>> That comes off. And then

1745
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,719
>> and then the behavioral care center.

1746
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:23,520
What I I would rather do is put BCC creo

1747
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,159
at two uh 2,146 37196

1748
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:31,600
behavior center county at I have 1

1749
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,440
million 021992

1750
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:38,320
flat and do it like that. Second

1751
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:44,550
dispense with this creation

1752
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,120
behavioral care the two behavioral care

1753
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,080
center.

1754
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,520
>> Okay, you got it. You get it. You got

1755
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,840
it.

1756
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:52,560
>> You got the number.

1757
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,080
>> So, remove transportation change uh BC

1758
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:01,040
change one to BCC creo at 214637196.

1759
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:01,360
Yep.

1760
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,719
>> And then add county at 1

1761
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:06,560
>> uh 21992. Yes.

1762
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:06,880
>> Yes.

1763
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,239
>> Yeah. Uh

1764
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:10,480
>> BCC County. Yes.

1765
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,040
>> And then remove the transportation line

1766
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,320
items from the list.

1767
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,600
>> Okay. We got a motion. Do we have a

1768
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,080
second?

1769
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:16,640
>> Second.

1770
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,239
>> We got a second. All those in favor say

1771
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:19,120
I.

1772
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,800
>> Any opposed? Eyes have it.

1773
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,800
>> We also need to remove the $1.6 million

1774
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,199
off of uh how much off the future

1775
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,520
forecast tracker for BCC old detention

1776
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,040
center transportation. There's $1.6

1777
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:29,920
million.

1778
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,640
>> We are jumping around. So, let's finish.

1779
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,000
>> Okay. [laughter] Is there anything else

1780
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,920
on the watch list that we need to take

1781
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,120
care of today?

1782
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,000
>> Yes, I think we need to um at least hear

1783
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,080
item 12.

1784
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,880
Um and then maybe make some decisions on

1785
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,159
employees benefits. We're going to have

1786
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,360
to give them some money pretty quick.

1787
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,120
>> Like having any special budget board

1788
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:51,520
meeting?

1789
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:52,400
>> Yes.

1790
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,510
>> Okay.

1791
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:00,400
Yeah. So if um if you don't mind

1792
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,120
go ahead and and handle that part. Um

1793
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,199
you guys

1794
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,120
we need to move to the next uh the

1795
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,560
future forecast tracker to remove that.

1796
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,760
Is there a a motion to remove that that

1797
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,199
transportation was discussed from the

1798
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:16,400
future forecast tracker?

1799
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,239
>> So moved there and there's a second. All

1800
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:19,280
those in favor say I.

1801
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:19,760
>> I.

1802
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,120
>> Okay. That will be removed. And then

1803
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:30,709
>> Christie

1804
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:32,320
So number 12, Christie.

1805
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,400
>> Yes, if we could, we'll leave the watch

1806
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:39,440
list open and we could go to item 12.

1807
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:49,270
>> Thanks, guys.

1808
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,600
I know Christy and the county clerk's

1809
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,080
office have been working on this. Last

1810
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,640
fiscal year there's some allocation

1811
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,760
issues and too much money was allocated

1812
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,239
to 4010. Um so from my understanding

1813
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,080
that has to be applied to this year's

1814
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,159
budget. Those overall allocations and

1815
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:09,760
that would reduce my budget. Currently I

1816
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,600
have 1.7 encumbered and 48,000 available

1817
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,159
in munice. Um so those expenses are

1818
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:18,480
encumbered. Plus I have some cash build

1819
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,880
pay claims. The treasur's office of

1820
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,400
course um tracks cash. Their number is

1821
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,800
different because of that 1.6 overage

1822
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,040
from last fiscal year. We spent that

1823
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,560
money that $1.6 million um through a

1824
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,120
combination of allocations

1825
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,960
made from the budget board. Um, so as it

1826
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,679
stands, if they take the 1.6 out of this

1827
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:44,719
fiscal year, that will leave me with

1828
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:46,239
573,000

1829
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,080
left until the next budget board. And

1830
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,600
then it takes two weeks for me to pay

1831
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,080
claims after the next budget board. But

1832
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,440
currently, as I stand, I have 1.6 or 1.7

1833
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,640
million encumbered items in 408 cash

1834
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,280
available. So I underestimated that 1.6,

1835
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,560
but it's it's really 1.6. I put 1.2,

1836
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,480
too, but we already have a $1 million

1837
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:09,040
item on benefits as well. This is just a

1838
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,440
shore up. As a reminder, our budget was

1839
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,320
flat going into this year. So, with this

1840
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,840
thing that happened last fiscal year

1841
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,760
that um takes away $1.6 million from my

1842
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,040
current budget.

1843
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,600
>> Okay, John. So, you're just need to get

1844
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,440
this place on the watch list or you need

1845
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,199
this money in your bank? From my

1846
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:29,120
understanding, the things that occurred

1847
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,600
last fiscal year on the allocations are

1848
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,440
going to be deducted from my current

1849
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:36,320
budget. So, it reduces available funds I

1850
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,600
haven't paid things. And we currently

1851
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,520
have 1.7 million.

1852
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,960
>> Does this item allow us to do that?

1853
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,800
>> Well, we could put it on the watch list

1854
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,320
and then go back to the watch list.

1855
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,120
>> Yeah.

1856
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:46,159
>> Right.

1857
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,600
>> So, okay. So, my hope is to at least

1858
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,320
shore up to 1.6 6 that we're going to

1859
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,920
get reduced by because like I said

1860
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,440
already have 1.7 in

1861
01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:59,199
stuff that's waiting to be paid.

1862
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:02,310
>> So

1863
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,040
» what you have available in is actually

1864
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,120
different than what's available in cash.

1865
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,360
>> Exactly. And then they found the reason

1866
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,760
because appropriations last year were

1867
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,600
overstated and they on the muna side

1868
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,560
they put too much appropriations in and

1869
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,719
now to correct that they're going to

1870
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:22,960
have to take appropriations out of my

1871
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,199
account

1872
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:28,790
out of 4010.

1873
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,080
» So I'll make a motion to put this on the

1874
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,120
watch list.

1875
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,600
>> I will second.

1876
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,550
>> All those in favor? I

1877
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,480
» I should have asked before we voted, but

1878
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:43,840
this is in addition to the million

1879
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,040
dollars that's on the watch list,

1880
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:45,920
correct?

1881
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,800
>> Just 1.6 gets me budget even going into

1882
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,520
the year. Just gets me a flat budget.

1883
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,280
Um, currently as we sit because what

1884
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,560
happened last fiscal year is going to

1885
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,640
reduce my budget by 1.6 million.

1886
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,400
>> Okay. I need I need to try to

1887
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,920
understand. Okay. So So the So there was

1888
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,360
1.6 million that was supposed to run

1889
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,719
your budget last year.

1890
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,960
>> Yeah. It was overstated into my budget.

1891
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,040
>> So your budget last go.

1892
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,159
>> When you say overstated, you mean you had an extra $1.6 million in

1893
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:12,400
your budget?

1894
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,400
>> That was spent.

1895
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,040
>> Correct. And then now they found that

1896
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,320
issue and to correct that to back that

1897
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,080
back out. It's going to come out of my

1898
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,679
current budget this fiscal year.

1899
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:28,560
And I I already have so that 1.6 comes

1900
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,040
out, but I have 1.7 encumbered expenses

1901
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,000
right now.

1902
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,000
>> Okay. So if if that happens then it

1903
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,760
makes all my incumbrances negative, all

1904
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,920
my balances negative in 4010.

1905
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,440
>> So the money was in there and then just

1906
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:44,880
the expenses of the medical program

1907
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,679
exceeded the estimates. So we had the

1908
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:49,360
1.6 which is why we didn't have to

1909
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,480
transfer any money at the end of the

1910
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:51,120
year

1911
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:52,800
>> because we were 1.6 long

1912
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,679
>> and I carried 339,000

1913
01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:59,679
f you were you were 1.6 long in ununice

1914
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:04,800
but not 1.6 It's long in cash. Yeah. If you take a snapshot of my budget in

1915
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,239
units, I can go and encumber things

1916
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:07,760
because I have it have the funds

1917
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,000
available in units, but on the cash side

1918
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,719
it it's it's it doesn't match.

1919
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:15,679
Obviously, it's 1.6 less on the cash

1920
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:19,040
side. But ultimately, the 1.6 that was

1921
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,280
overput into your bucket was spent.

1922
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,199
>> Spent absolutely was spent.

1923
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:24,640
>> So, [clears throat]

1924
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,560
I mean, regardless whether it shows me

1925
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,199
cash, it's the same thing to me. I mean,

1926
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,120
you had $1.6 $6 million in your buck we

1927
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,600
had to spend for medical purposes. So,

1928
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,400
but this year they're trying to whoever

1929
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,480
not they but so it's needs to be removed

1930
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,159
to shore that up from last fiscal year

1931
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,080
from my understanding

1932
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:42,960
>> matches the cash.

1933
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,830
>> Well, I guess what I'm

1934
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,000
» Okay. So, if but if you were given a

1935
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,159
budget and I mean I'm just trying to

1936
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:53,440
walk through my mind here. So if you

1937
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:54,960
were given a budget that you anticipated

1938
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,639
was going to be the right amount, why

1939
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:58,400
don't we just leave it? Because that's

1940
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,760
what was approved by budget board. How

1941
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,000
do we go and just pluck money out?

1942
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:02,560
>> It wasn't.

1943
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,000
>> No, this is stuff that wasn't approved

1944
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:04,960
by, right?

1945
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,679
>> We have instances where

1946
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:10,239
um money was overappropriated. We have

1947
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,080
instances where dollar amounts were

1948
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,320
appropriated twice.

1949
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,960
More was appropriated in UNUNICE than

1950
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,840
budget board approved.

1951
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,719
>> Okay. So for for FY27 specific,

1952
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:25,440
>> can I stop you a second? I think just

1953
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:27,120
because you voted on this and now we're

1954
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,120
having the discussion after the vote.

1955
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,199
Can you go back in and try to at least

1956
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:32,320
open it back up?

1957
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:32,719
>> We did

1958
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:34,719
>> to be the discussion. They voted for it

1959
01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:36,000
and now we're

1960
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,320
>> Well, okay. Perhaps

1961
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,440
saying say that this went on the watch

1962
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:42,880
list and then you went back to perhaps

1963
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,960
the discussion after the vote. I want

1964
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,040
the discussion before the vote.

1965
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,600
>> We open agenda item number one. voted to

1966
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,120
put it on the watch list. Now we're

1967
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,560
talking about the watch list.

1968
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,480
>> I didn't care that you go back to the

1969
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,000
item of the watch list. I just heard

1970
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,320
discussion start.

1971
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:59,920
>> I'm just trying I'm just trying to

1972
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,320
clarify this record because it sounds

1973
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,880
like you have questions that may impact

1974
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,000
other people's vote and I just

1975
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,320
>> Okay. I'm I'm confused. I'm confused

1976
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,760
back here what we're doing. So

1977
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,040
>> got a motion to open item number. We

1978
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,120
dispense with item 12 and now you need

1979
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,639
to reopen this up here.

1980
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:24,880
>> Right. So I have a motion and a second.

1981
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,560
>> Oh f I

1982
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,830
>> I thought it was now.

1983
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:34,239
» All right.

1984
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,239
>> We're good now.

1985
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:37,040
>> Thank you, Lisa.

1986
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,159
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1987
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:45,030
>> Okay. So So for F127 though,

1988
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,960
I'm dense. So I'll admit

1989
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,120
>> so so to shore up FY 2627

1990
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,600
with the actual cash balance since the

1991
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,040
cash since 1.6 million was overspent

1992
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,159
last fiscal year to shore that up 1.6

1993
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,159
has to be reduced from munis as

1994
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:03,920
available funds to short for that money

1995
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,560
that was spent that was overappropriated

1996
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,120
last fiscal year. Did I say state that

1997
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,440
correctly?

1998
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:12,000
>> Okay. So

1999
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,199
>> is that a

2000
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:17,760
>> So but I guess what I'm saying is so and maybe this is what probably where

2001
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,520
you would come in but so if we have the

2002
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,280
money right now in the budget if we know

2003
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,639
how much we're going to collect for the

2004
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:24,560
year and we know how much we're lapsing

2005
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,400
for the year and all those things why

2006
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,760
don't we just leave the money he was

2007
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,679
given for FY27 in his budget if that's

2008
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:32,000
what he needs as a budget like why would

2009
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,400
we go back to your bucket

2010
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,480
>> so employees benefits you can only

2011
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,600
appropriate unless there's cash there so

2012
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,520
there were errors made and stuff got

2013
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,440
overappropriated.

2014
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:44,960
It's it's like your special revenue.

2015
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,560
You're not going to just start using a

2016
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,679
budget

2017
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:50,800
>> until you have money come in. You cannot

2018
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:51,199
be there.

2019
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:53,440
>> You cannot appropriate

2020
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:55,280
>> in those types of funds without the cash

2021
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:55,520
fee.

2022
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,600
>> No, I get that. But I mean I mean it's

2023
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,280
not just like special revenue though

2024
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,040
because special revenue or like service

2025
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,679
fee for example that provides service

2026
01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:05,280
but in this case this is general fund

2027
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,520
appropriations going to benefits. This

2028
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,960
isn't money he's generating. He's like

2029
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,560
he's not selling raffle tickets on the

2030
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,080
street. You know, he's got to

2031
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,360
appropriate before he can spend the

2032
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,000
cash,

2033
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,679
>> but the cash has to get moved to the

2034
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:17,360
fund for it to be appropriate,

2035
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,719
>> right? So that's what I'm asking. So at

2036
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:20,480
the beginning of the year, John came in

2037
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,400
and he said, I need x amount of money

2038
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:23,760
for benefits this year out of the

2039
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,120
general fund.

2040
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,159
>> And we said yes and so did budget board.

2041
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:29,360
>> But now what we're saying is we're

2042
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,719
making another recommendation to budget

2043
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:33,440
board to pull $1.6 million back just to

2044
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:34,639
turn the ride around and give them

2045
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:36,400
another $1.6 million from the watch

2046
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:37,600
list.

2047
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,040
>> That's You see what I'm saying? I mean,

2048
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,960
because how how can I guess what I'm

2049
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,080
saying is how can somebody go in and

2050
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,920
pluck money for this fiscal year that

2051
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,840
was not approved by the budget board for a mistake that may last fiscal year

2052
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,480
without budget board action?

2053
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,320
We're just willingly yanking money from

2054
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:53,840
people's accounts without you see what

2055
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:54,880
I'm saying. The budget board approved

2056
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,480
something very specific,

2057
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:56,719
>> right?

2058
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:58,480
>> So, how are we just deciding to pl

2059
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:00,560
>> But that's not what what got done.

2060
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:01,360
>> Okay?

2061
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,120
>> There were overappropriations.

2062
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,800
>> I get that. But but you would think that

2063
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:05,920
the budget board would take under

2064
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,800
action. Okay. based on this mistake or

2065
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,920
based on this data entry error, whatever

2066
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,840
happened, we would have to because the budget book's going to show

2067
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,000
that John got a certain amount of money

2068
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,800
at a I don't know. I I'm just I'm just

2069
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,239
trying to understand in my head. I'm not

2070
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:23,280
saying that what we're doing is wrong.

2071
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,520
I'm just saying I want John to be whole,

2072
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,520
>> right? I mean, I just I just it just

2073
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,920
seems that

2074
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:30,639
I mean, it [clears throat] just seems

2075
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:32,000
like we're taking money from that he's

2076
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,600
already got in the budget budget board

2077
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,000
approved for FY27 regardless of we made

2078
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,560
it FY26 just to turn just turn right

2079
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,520
back around and give it to him.

2080
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,440
I mean, I guess what I'm saying it's

2081
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:46,400
coming from the same pod and again it's

2082
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,159
right. I mean, we're going to pluck it

2083
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,239
back from general fund. It's going to go

2084
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:52,159
back in the general fund just for

2085
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:54,159
>> to go back. We're just we're just

2086
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:57,790
correcting his appropriation.

2087
01:26:57,790 --> 01:26:59,440
[cough and clears throat]

2088
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,280
>> There's nothing to go back.

2089
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,679
>> Say your help help me try to understand

2090
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:05,199
this.

2091
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:09,040
Your budget last year was $5 million,

2092
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,719
right? That's what cash would have been

2093
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:16,560
was $5 million, but with these errors,

2094
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,000
your budget was 6.6. So when we got to

2095
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,280
the end of last FY, we ended up pulling

2096
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,239
some claims, right? Because there wasn't

2097
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:28,400
enough cash available. So you didn't

2098
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,800
exceed your budgetary authority last

2099
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,239
year on a cash basis, right?

2100
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:34,960
>> Yes.

2101
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,320
he did or no, he did not.

2102
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:37,920
>> No, it was it there was a negative

2103
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,600
amount on June 30th.

2104
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,159
>> There was.

2105
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:41,760
>> Yeah.

2106
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,760
>> On a cash on the cash,

2107
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:44,800
>> but not in the fund.

2108
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,320
>> Not in the fund. Right. So if you look

2109
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,800
at mun you could energet

2110
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,480
problem in itself.

2111
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:54,950
>> Yeah.

2112
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,760
» Okay. So so what's I mean between you

2113
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,280
two. So what's the best method to fix

2114
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,719
this problem that that we're comfortable

2115
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:02,960
with to make to make all the stuff right

2116
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,040
where we are with the budget board

2117
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,320
approved for the budget? I mean it's is

2118
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,639
it to move it to the the

2119
01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:12,400
>> move 1.24 to this and then turn right

2120
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,120
around take 1.6 back out and give it

2121
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,159
>> it. So, the mechanics on the unit side

2122
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:21,040
is obviously not our office, but what

2123
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,920
Brooke explained is that things that he

2124
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,120
has encumbered [clears throat] would

2125
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,560
need to be reversed,

2126
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:27,840
>> which we don't want to do that.

2127
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:32,000
>> And the um then these adjusting entries

2128
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,320
would lower his appropriations and then

2129
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,840
we would need to fund

2130
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,520
go ahead and fund some more money to put

2131
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,360
in there so he can pay claims this

2132
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:46,159
month. So, is this and I mean again I'm speaking way above my pay grade

2133
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:47,920
here. I mean is this not something we

2134
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,800
just handled the journal entry record or

2135
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,719
something like that? Is it something

2136
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:55,920
>> the cash isn't there?

2137
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,679
>> I guess that's what I'm asking though is

2138
01:28:57,679 --> 01:28:59,600
that I mean how does shuffling numbers

2139
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,960
around on a sheet of paper change the

2140
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,800
cash issue? You still got a certain

2141
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,861
amount of cash?

2142
01:29:04,861 --> 01:29:05,920
[clears throat] I I guess is what I'm

2143
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:06,400
asking.

2144
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,080
>> I mean there is cash in the fund right

2145
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,679
now but it's not enough to pay the

2146
01:29:09,679 --> 01:29:11,199
claims.

2147
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:12,880
He doesn't we're trying not to wait to

2148
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,880
budget board. He's already like

2149
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,239
Wednesday they got pulled.

2150
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:18,800
>> So what we're making so this we're

2151
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,639
making a we'd be making recommendations

2152
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:23,679
transfer cash not to change his budget

2153
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:26,400
appropriation and units. It will change

2154
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:27,760
though right?

2155
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,159
>> Yeah.

2156
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:30,960
>> Okay.

2157
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:31,920
>> Because it would have to get

2158
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:32,719
appropriated because

2159
01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:34,239
>> I mean sorry for question I just want to

2160
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:37,199
make sure I we need to move the cash but

2161
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,600
then inadvertently that would change his

2162
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,800
budget.

2163
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,480
Right. It would get a

2164
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,000
>> show up as an extra transfer.

2165
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,280
>> That's what I'm saying. Look like a

2166
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,520
supplemental look like supplemental

2167
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,960
increase. I just want to make sure we

2168
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,639
have it. We're sitting here again in

2169
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:52,080
February and March trying to track these

2170
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:52,800
things. So,

2171
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,000
>> I mean, I think that was kind of one of

2172
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:54,639
the

2173
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,560
>> one of the original topics of having

2174
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:57,440
like a

2175
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:58,560
>> one of those I don't know if they

2176
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,239
originally dreamt it up, but you know, a

2177
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:01,679
change form where all these weird things

2178
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:02,560
that pop up.

2179
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,000
>> Right. Right.

2180
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,080
>> Again, probably would create that.

2181
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:07,600
>> I want to make sure Wilson is whole. I'm

2182
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,679
just I'm just trying to understand how

2183
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:12,800
we get there. To me, it seems like

2184
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,639
I mean, if if we're actually

2185
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:16,159
transferring cash, but it seemed to me

2186
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:17,280
that we were just transferring another

2187
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:19,600
drama on a sheet of paper that are just

2188
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,880
useless in reality to have paying bills.

2189
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,639
But if it's if we're transferring actual

2190
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:27,280
>> the purpose of this is to transfer cash,

2191
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:28,800
correct?

2192
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,080
>> Okay. [clears throat]

2193
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,159
>> But it will affect other things.

2194
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:35,040
>> Okay. So when we make this change today,

2195
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,639
and I don't know what John's budget is

2196
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:37,600
off the top of my head, but let's say

2197
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,360
it's 30 million bucks. His budget for

2198
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,239
F27 is still 30 million bucks.

2199
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:43,760
>> We're just making changes on the back

2200
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,199
end to shore up something or would that

2201
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:49,590
budget now be 31.6 million.6.

2202
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,120
» Okay.

2203
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,750
>> But so I guess so that's what I'm asking

2204
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,360
what is of course it's a sophisticated

2205
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,000
wellness guess, but still still that.

2206
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,719
But I mean, you know, so but when when

2207
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,239
he came in and he said, "Okay, this is

2208
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:07,360
how much money I think I'm going to

2209
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,320
need. This is how much money."

2210
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:11,840
I mean, that was independent of like

2211
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,639
that last year's stuff, right?

2212
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:17,040
>> So, say you get a 308 certain deposits

2213
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,800
on it. You kind of go off that amount.

2214
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,480
Okay, this is what revenue I have. And

2215
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:23,280
some of that was, I think, you know,

2216
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,040
maybe was incorrect. So, that's what

2217
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,159
resulted in 1.6 difference. So that's

2218
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:28,980
what we're trying to make up

2219
01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:30,080
[clears throat] for that money was spent

2220
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,639
last year wasn't correct and didn't

2221
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:34,080
match up the cash side.

2222
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,159
>> So So I guess my final question on that

2223
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:38,000
then if it's $1.6 million that was an

2224
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,159
issue from last year. Is this an

2225
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:42,719
appropriate use for one time money?

2226
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:45,520
>> I think so.

2227
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,760
>> Or is it something that would just carry

2228
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,840
on and on and on and on?

2229
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,880
>> I think it would be appropriate.

2230
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,679
We use

2231
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:58,159
>> one time short team. We use one time

2232
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,080
money for

2233
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,440
>> because it's a one time meeting

2234
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:08,870
>> make up for that whole last year

2235
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,360
once once once they take out that 1.6

2236
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:17,189
from my account.

2237
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:24,310
Okay. But so you don't

2238
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,480
ask. Yeah, I'm good with whatever. I

2239
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:29,520
just just try to try to sort it out my

2240
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,430
deep brain here.

2241
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,560
» How do we stop this from happening

2242
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,960
moving forward?

2243
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,639
Because we could very well find

2244
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:43,600
ourselves in the exact same predicament

2245
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,080
>> this time next year as well. Is that

2246
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:47,840
right? Well, I mean to that point you

2247
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,920
actually said something was question I

2248
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:50,960
was going to ask after and I don't know

2249
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,639
if it's we need to add other money to

2250
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:54,560
the watch list or you said there's other

2251
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:55,920
areas where things have been double in

2252
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,760
numbered things have been

2253
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:58,239
>> I mean

2254
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,719
>> no just the employee benefits.

2255
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:03,040
>> Oh okay. I I thought so you you were

2256
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:04,639
talking about all the references where

2257
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:06,719
there was I thought you said over

2258
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:09,120
encumbered or one was under

2259
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:10,719
>> they were all in them benefits.

2260
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:13,109
>> Okay.

2261
01:33:13,109 --> 01:33:18,339
[clears throat]

2262
01:33:18,349 --> 01:33:18,800
» [clears throat]

2263
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:20,159
>> whatever we need to do before making a

2264
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:21,280
hole. I was just trying to understand

2265
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:29,750
it.

2266
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:35,510
» I wonder if

2267
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,120
» John, you would have stuff in

2268
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,560
supplement, right?

2269
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,520
>> Oh, yeah. September supplement. No. Um,

2270
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,040
sitting in your employees benefit

2271
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,880
supplement transfer.

2272
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,840
>> No, the supplement we we ran through the

2273
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:50,719
first two months.

2274
01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:52,480
>> We

2275
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:54,560
>> have employer premiums now that we start

2276
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:55,120
touching,

2277
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:55,600
>> right?

2278
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,360
>> This next one,

2279
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,480
>> but you have quite a bit there. We can

2280
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:02,400
>> Yeah. If if if there's cash available,

2281
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,560
we could we could transfer that and

2282
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,320
address this later.

2283
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,080
>> That would be the question. If the cash

2284
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,800
is there,

2285
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,000
>> if you have 1.6 6 million available. We

2286
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,920
can appropriate that for employer

2287
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,320
premiums to fill this gap currently and

2288
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:19,760
moving forward through September

2289
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,239
supplement come up with a plan to make

2290
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:26,149
up the difference from that

2291
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:30,629
and not take it from reserves.

2292
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:34,330
» Maybe we should use that first.

2293
01:34:34,330 --> 01:34:36,629
[clears throat]

2294
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:38,480
» You know, if the cash that would be

2295
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:43,030
probably easier fix than going into

2296
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,520
the watchless money

2297
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:46,960
>> technically. Either way, I'd have to

2298
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:51,360
find the cash this time of year. So,

2299
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,280
[clears throat]

2300
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:58,229
>> we want to just do that.

2301
01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:00,320
» I'd say whatever you are most

2302
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:01,679
comfortable with

2303
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:03,440
>> on the treasurer side of things.

2304
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:05,199
>> I was trying to go the fastest route.

2305
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:06,639
Sure. So,

2306
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:07,520
>> so

2307
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,679
>> it would just be a budget board to do

2308
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,239
one of his uh premium

2309
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:14,159
>> and then just when they do the premiums

2310
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:18,800
too, it delays me paying anything. Say, we wait till we're here budget

2311
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,480
board. Well, once we transfer the

2312
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:21,840
premiums this month at budget board,

2313
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,360
then we have to wait till the following

2314
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,400
week at PCC to cut checks, be deposited,

2315
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,000
then the following week, then I can

2316
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,400
start paying claim claims. So, we're a

2317
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,040
month and a week out with that process.

2318
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,400
So we finding early budget board meeting

2319
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,199
to allot some of those premiums into the

2320
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:40,960
count to cover that.

2321
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,960
>> So we'll be holding claims and people

2322
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,960
will be getting second letter notices

2323
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,719
probably from the building agencies that

2324
01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:49,360
this has been paid. We could run into

2325
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,400
that.

2326
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,400
>> Does that affect our relationship with

2327
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,840
the providers?

2328
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,800
>> It always does.

2329
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,960
>> Perhaps we should track rocks instead of

2330
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:04,550
journal entries.

2331
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,560
Is that helpful, Keith?

2332
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,080
>> No, but I think everybody's thinking

2333
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,120
that. [clears throat]

2334
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,600
>> Okay. So, currently in onetime money, we

2335
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,229
have um $6,830,156.

2336
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:19,600
Is that right?

2337
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,280
>> Uh

2338
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,440
yes, that sounds right. Are you going

2339
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:24,639
off that one time BT?

2340
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:27,760
>> I'm going off the she provided on se

2341
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,120
August something.

2342
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,719
>> Yeah.

2343
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:32,000
And we were pretty confident on that

2344
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,040
number. The 6 million830 10556.

2345
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:35,679
>> Yes.

2346
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:36,000
>> Okay.

2347
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,920
>> That's the increase. And that that's not

2348
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,199
accounting for any of the $14 million or

2349
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:41,679
does it?

2350
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:44,960
>> No. This this is

2351
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,960
>> Yeah, it was none of that. Okay. Um

2352
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,880
>> do we need to be mindful of that?

2353
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,629
>> Yes.

2354
01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:53,920
» I mean, are we going to be in a position

2355
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,280
where we wouldn't have the money to send

2356
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,760
this over?

2357
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,199
I I because I don't at this point I

2358
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:00,719
don't know what the numbers look like.

2359
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:04,639
>> I don't think that's reason to step out

2360
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:06,639
>> because we don't know what the numbers

2361
01:37:06,639 --> 01:37:08,880
look like

2362
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,320
>> is is even though it may cause some

2363
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,280
delay is the safer more accurate route

2364
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:16,880
actually to do what Christie talked

2365
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,360
about

2366
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,360
>> assuming the cash is there.

2367
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,790
>> Yeah.

2368
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,320
using the employer premium since they're

2369
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:30,950
part of budgeted funds already.

2370
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,199
» That takes a while. That's the

2371
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,880
>> we'd have to have a special budget for

2372
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,800
timing, but

2373
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,520
the cash [snorts]

2374
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:49,830
>> I could cover.

2375
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,800
So what's the motion?

2376
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:53,199
>> So

2377
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:54,719
>> well it's really

2378
01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:56,800
>> okay. So we have 1.24 million and we've

2379
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,239
got 1 million for employee benefits

2380
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:01,440
currently on a watch list, right?

2381
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:04,239
>> So would you you need you don't need 1.6

2382
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:07,840
for the watch list. You need 1.24

2383
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,639
was my earliest

2384
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:11,920
1.6. Okay.

2385
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,520
>> So that's the time it's just a timing

2386
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,760
issue. But you know those two together

2387
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,840
if you have since you have the 1.2 and

2388
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,880
the 1 million are over the 1.6.

2389
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,920
But to make an action to transfer money

2390
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,000
from our budget funds from employer

2391
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,239
premiums, all it takes is a buzz budget

2392
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,560
board item. So I can just pursue that

2393
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,639
instead of doing this at this time. We

2394
01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:34,480
just call a special

2395
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:36,719
>> and so leave both of your items on the

2396
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:37,199
watch.

2397
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,280
>> Yeah. Just in case because you know I

2398
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,600
have a flat budget anyways. The first

2399
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:42,960
two months the claims have been really

2400
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:46,639
high and they're turning down now but

2401
01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:48,080
probably need some extra funds. You

2402
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,000
know, health insurance goes up, costs go

2403
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:50,800
up every year.

2404
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,880
>> So, as far as timing goes, I know the

2405
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,840
regularly scheduled budget board is 17.

2406
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,000
Um, what when would you need that?

2407
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,679
>> As soon as possible, maybe next week

2408
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:01,520
sometime if possible because then I have

2409
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,119
to wait another week for checks to be

2410
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:06,560
cut deposited. Then another week to pay items.

2411
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,480
>> Okay.

2412
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:10,080
>> So, I mean, do you need anything from us

2413
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,080
today?

2414
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,920
Just add

2415
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,040
amendment. If you have a budget board on

2416
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:21,878
Monday afternoon and then it's BCC.

2417
01:39:21,878 --> 01:39:22,159
[clears throat]

2418
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:25,280
>> Yeah, it's a holiday Monday. So earliest

2419
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,440
depending on scheduling availability

2420
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:28,480
would be to describe.

2421
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,480
>> Okay. Can you since we since it's not

2422
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:31,679
going to be a formal recommendation of

2423
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:33,280
BT, can you can you explain one more

2424
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,600
time what what I need to talk to my

2425
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,119
elected about? So what is it we're

2426
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:38,000
trying to do?

2427
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,320
>> We're just fronting John some some of

2428
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,320
his funds recommended funds from

2429
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,560
>> budgeted funds. But we just the route we

2430
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,719
decided to go is just a normal procedure

2431
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:48,080
that he would be doing anyways.

2432
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,440
>> Just every month our budget board asks

2433
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:52,239
for those budgeted funds because all my

2434
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:54,960
funds don't get there because cash flow.

2435
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,199
>> So that just a normal process we

2436
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:59,360
normally do at the budget board ask

2437
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,920
allocation like the jail we've given.

2438
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,080
>> Yeah. No, this is now he's asking for

2439
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:14,709
money that's in his budget.

2440
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:22,149
» Oh yeah.

2441
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:23,760
» 172

2442
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,320
million in premium.

2443
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,000
>> Well, you're confident. I mean, again, I

2444
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,520
don't mind making a motion or something.

2445
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,199
I don't want to affect employees health

2446
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,679
in any way or

2447
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,679
>> I don't want to

2448
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:39,520
>> take off any providers more than 1.6

2449
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:43,360
>> but we'll go with 1.6 six

2450
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,000
until next until the recording board is

2451
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:53,350
the regular appropriations

2452
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,719
saying fill the boot.

2453
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:59,119
>> John, I would go ahead and do 2 million

2454
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:01,440
>> because that figure is like 164.

2455
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,040
>> Yeah. So, is that the most appropriate

2456
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,320
thing since we've already got an item on

2457
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:05,840
the watch list? Can we just say we just

2458
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,600
change the employee benefit number from

2459
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,119
one to three? Is that for or did I mean

2460
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:12,400
I I understand that we had kind of

2461
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,159
talked about having items specifically

2462
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,960
on we want to change the add something

2463
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,080
to the watch list but there's already an

2464
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,239
item on the watch list.

2465
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,639
>> Is that something just to make it more

2466
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:24,719
concise to change the number from one to

2467
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:26,080
three young employee benefits on the

2468
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:26,960
watch list?

2469
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,800
>> I don't know because that this one that

2470
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,040
we just added the 240 was what the

2471
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,400
agenda item was.

2472
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,080
>> Well, right. I know and I remember I

2473
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:35,520
remember we had a conversation here

2474
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:36,960
about you know anything we add the

2475
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,719
future forecast tracker or the watch

2476
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:40,800
list we need to have an item for. I was

2477
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,719
just saying since this is since this is

2478
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:45,440
already on the watch list would item

2479
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:48,239
number four allow us just to discuss

2480
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:49,920
some plus regarding any items currently

2481
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,639
on the watch list. I would think that would give us a latitude to modify

2482
01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:54,000
any of the things that are currently on

2483
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,560
there. But

2484
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,119
again having two separate line items.

2485
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:00,080
>> Oh I was just going to add them

2486
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,800
together. Okay. Okay.

2487
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,960
Yeah, I was just going to add the one

2488
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,719
240 to

2489
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:08,239
>> Well, I'll make a motion to put on the

2490
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,639
add to change the watch list item

2491
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:13,119
employee benefits from one to three for

2492
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:17,350
employee benefits.

2493
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,119
» 1 million to 3 million

2494
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:19,840
>> total.

2495
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:21,600
>> Yeah. Total

2496
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,189
>> I'll second that.

2497
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:27,199
» So really, you're taking the item that

2498
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:30,000
we just So there's not two items. Okay.

2499
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:30,719
three millions.

2500
01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:32,239
>> Yeah. So, instead of being

2501
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:33,280
>> Well, I was going to add them.

2502
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,040
>> Yeah.

2503
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,950
>> Round it up.

2504
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:44,870
» All right. All in favor?

2505
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,480
» That gives us more realistic picture of

2506
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:48,880
what we need to do moving forward if he

2507
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:50,960
needs additional and usually through

2508
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:52,400
September supplement. That's when

2509
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:53,920
employee premiums are discussed.

2510
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,520
additional monies are allocated from

2511
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,440
September supplement to make up for the

2512
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:02,480
flat budget for the year.

2513
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,280
>> I I think it was Mike that asked this

2514
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,080
question

2515
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,400
an answer. How do we prevent this going

2516
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,239
forward?

2517
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:15,440
>> There needs to be some safeguards in

2518
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:19,189
this

2519
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:26,070
some extra checks or

2520
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,119
You don't see them. You don't see actual

2521
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:30,080
cash.

2522
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,000
>> And I I know how to get to the actual

2523
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,719
number. You just say take actual cash

2524
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,960
deposits that aren't made at the budget

2525
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,960
board yet. There's your there's your

2526
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,320
actual number now. I figured that out,

2527
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,840
but I don't see the actual cash number.

2528
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,760
I'd have to ask the treasur's office. I

2529
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,199
think that needs to be done on a monthly

2530
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:47,280
basis. Balance cash to make sure all

2531
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,199
appropriations that happened within the

2532
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:51,600
prior month occurred correctly. cash

2533
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,920
balances minus deposits that haven't

2534
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:54,880
been accounted for through

2535
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,639
appropriations.

2536
01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,280
If that process happens every month, we

2537
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:09,590
can avoid this situation.

2538
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,520
Anything else, Jim?

2539
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,400
>> Anyone have anything else? Cassie, do

2540
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:17,360
you need a um do we need some motions to

2541
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,239
move all the other items?

2542
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:23,600
I think the rest of them.

2543
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,119
>> So, we don't need to make a motion or

2544
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:26,880
vote on it.

2545
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,480
>> Yes. So, not individually. Yes. Okay.

2546
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:33,040
>> Do you need me to read up the

2547
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:34,400
>> The only thing I was going to ask since

2548
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,159
we had a hand up, we we need to pick up

2549
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:38,880
the the thing today for money or

2550
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:40,960
>> I think she said it's the same

2551
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,080
>> as what's attached.

2552
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:42,400
>> Okay.

2553
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,080
>> Yeah. Is that right, Justin? Well, I

2554
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,600
mean, but

2555
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,520
>> that's so

2556
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,440
>> if it's but if if we need the transfer

2557
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:51,520
to get something started or paid for or

2558
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:52,719
get away until next week.

2559
01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:54,719
>> The only thing that

2560
01:44:54,719 --> 01:44:57,280
>> Keith talk about your

2561
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:00,320
>> or the same for 14 jailers

2562
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,960
>> I don't think those are timesensitive

2563
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,639
that we can't address those next week.

2564
01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:05,199
Right.

2565
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,280
>> Well, and just I'm gonna ask a question

2566
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,880
real quick because Ke um so that way I

2567
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,719
know to I can add new items to next

2568
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:16,719
week. Um Keith,

2569
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:17,920
>> I think the question is whether

2570
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,199
>> on your on 14 do we need to address that

2571
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:23,040
now 14

2572
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,119
>> the 15,000 just reimbursing for

2573
01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:25,600
staffing?

2574
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:26,960
>> I I'm not so worried about the

2575
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,040
reimbursement as much as I am moving

2576
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,719
forward with a KA presence over at the

2577
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:35,199
jail to continue this kind of uh

2578
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:37,840
oversight. Uh I think we've achieved

2579
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,639
limited success uh in keeping the

2580
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:42,320
elevators up and running. they continue

2581
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:44,000
to fail.

2582
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,600
Ka has been on site Wednesdays and

2583
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,760
Friday mornings and I think that's made

2584
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,040
a difference.

2585
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,320
>> Um,

2586
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,040
>> but but agenda item 14 only deals with

2587
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,119
the $15,000 reimbursement. So, you can

2588
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:59,040
wait a week on that, right?

2589
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,400
>> If that's what you choose to do, that's

2590
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:00,639
fine.

2591
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:02,080
>> But he'd have to wait because budget

2592
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,560
board's not until later in the month

2593
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,800
anyway. And then I can add an additional

2594
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,400
agenda item so we can have further

2595
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,400
discussion regarding what he may need

2596
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:10,960
moving forward

2597
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,920
>> like go forward and on to the next BT

2598
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:14,639
meeting. Perfect.

2599
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:15,840
>> So okay so the special

2600
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:16,719
>> that was the only thing I was worried

2601
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:18,639
about is just meeting Pete's needs.

2602
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:20,480
>> So the special BT we have coming up next

2603
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:22,159
week that's that's still in plenty of

2604
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:23,440
time for budget board.

2605
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:24,239
>> Right. Okay.

2606
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:25,760
>> Because that's my question.

2607
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,199
>> That's the 9th and then not until the

2608
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:28,000
17th. Okay.

2609
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,320
>> And we can add additional agenda items.

2610
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:32,000
The one that you were referencing is

2611
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,880
just a regular supplemental. Okay. Yeah.

2612
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,040
Sorry, for some reason think that was

2613
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,639
outside.

2614
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:42,080
>> Okay. Um, I will make a motion that the

2615
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,800
following items be moved to our next

2616
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:49,360
agenda for 9. Item six,

2617
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,800
7 through 11,

2618
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,800
13 through 18.

2619
01:46:54,800 --> 01:47:03,270
>> Do we need 16?

2620
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,440
Come on.

2621
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:10,470
I can just have it.

2622
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:18,870
» So 13 through 15 and then 17 and 18.

2623
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:23,350
» All in favor?

2624
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,870
» And

2625
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,360
all right. Any citizens to address the

2626
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,000
board?

2627
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,560
And then any more comments? No, thank

2628
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:43,910
you.

2629
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:46,960
» All right. Motion to adjurnn.

2630
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,560
>> So move.

2631
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:49,600
>> All in favor?

2632
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:56,790
>> I second.

2633
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,040
That was