1 00:00:38,930 --> 00:00:52,050 So tonight we're here for a few minutes like this, in fact, the full difficulties to review the river fog, regional housing needs assessment. 2 00:00:52,810 --> 00:01:00,070 So as we're aware, if a housing plan, now we're going to be regional housing plan, by Christmas to town planner. 3 00:01:00,070 --> 00:01:06,570 The pre-boiled crew is in one of the housing workers that is from the town for regional housing, 4 00:01:06,710 --> 00:01:13,610 Robin. It just joined, but this is her first meeting, so Nick and I will be presenting. 5 00:01:14,570 --> 00:01:20,010 So what I provided you with, of your toll, we could get through this an hour, there's about 50 slides. 6 00:01:20,170 --> 00:01:28,390 So we're going to go a little speeding and then we're going to take a few breaks for discussion and questions. 7 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:32,670 In front of you, you have some questions to think about. 8 00:01:33,730 --> 00:01:45,370 What we're going to do with this discussion is the region has prepared this and we're looking for feedback for things that you may not necessarily believe or correct. 9 00:01:45,650 --> 00:01:49,990 Just from your local knowledge and experiences as well as comments. 10 00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:59,490 uh, so do your findings align the what you see locally and so forth. So in the essence of time in the seven and clock planning meeting, we're going to continue. 11 00:02:01,350 --> 00:02:11,570 I also distributed to you a regional housing needs assessment, um, deliverables timeline, the proposals to have this completed by June of 2027. 12 00:02:11,570 --> 00:02:24,850 And right now we're in phase one of baseline and data updates that was supposed to be completed by June so we are here in August so I suspect this timeline will get continued. 13 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:32,720 They've also provided you with a handout with the existing condition summary for old 14 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:40,540 sabreux with some demographic workforce housing market information and what I'm going to 15 00:02:40,540 --> 00:02:48,360 do now is I'm going to jump into this presentation so that there will be some breaks where 16 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:56,140 if you can just take a look at those questions or things that come up Joanne is going to 17 00:02:56,140 --> 00:03:11,020 So, right now, the baseline is that we're updating the regional housing plan, demographics, housing characteristics and economics is a little bit about what we're going to discuss tonight. 18 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:21,240 So, the region does have a disclaimer about the data, the use that I was mispronounced. 19 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:28,360 It's a decennial census from 2020, and it can only be compared against other decennial 10 year interval data. 20 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:31,000 The last comparable is 2020. 21 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,860 We can't use the AC as one year estimates because we're using five year estimates. 22 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:42,020 So we can use the most recent 20, 20, 4 data in compare. 23 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,080 And just like you're not aware, the ACS is the American Community Survey Census. 24 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,020 Thank you. 25 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:50,880 That was my question. 26 00:03:51,340 --> 00:03:56,760 So the one thing no survey or census data is exact is all an estimate, but that's okay. 27 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,280 So what are demographics? 28 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:08,300 The demographics tell us about the people currently living in the region and they help us make assumptions about the type of housing. 29 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,240 We need no order to support different groups. 30 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:17,280 So we'll look at total population total households household size age and income. 31 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,320 Let's take a look at population overview. 32 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:29,600 Total population has risen from 2014 to 2024 a little over 300 people. 33 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:37,440 The largest growth in population occurred between 2019 and 2024 rising about 5%. 34 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:43,220 Key takeaways for this is housing is for households and not individuals. 35 00:04:43,220 --> 00:04:48,620 So that's the thing to think about, and in 2020, 2024, 36 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,240 population is arranged into approximately 4,672 households, 37 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:57,840 a 10% increase since 2014. 38 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:02,720 The average household size has gradually declined, 39 00:05:03,260 --> 00:05:09,440 from 2.41 in 2014 to 2.14 persons per household, 40 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,280 indicating a shift towards smaller household propositions. 41 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,800 And overall, the data reflects gradual household growth 42 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,800 alongside a trend towards smaller household sizes. 43 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:24,110 Household sizing composition. 44 00:05:25,690 --> 00:05:29,210 And also, the two-person household remains the dominant household type 45 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:32,170 of probably years, and it continues to grow. 46 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:37,470 One of the one-person households is increasing. 47 00:05:37,470 --> 00:05:41,190 And it's starting to narrow the gap between the two-person household. 48 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:49,110 The three-person household is on the rise in 2019 before declining sharply in 2024, while 49 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:54,990 the four-person household is a decrease overall, but still surpasses the three-person 50 00:05:54,990 --> 00:05:55,510 household. 51 00:05:57,430 --> 00:05:58,490 That's probably about age. 52 00:05:59,510 --> 00:06:05,110 The age structure shifts notably older over time, but strong growth in the 55 to 64, 53 00:06:05,110 --> 00:06:10,830 and 75 plus cohorts, while younger and mid-life groups generally decline. 54 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:22,230 The 45, the 54 cohort dropped sharply to under a thousand, while 25 to 44 remains relatively stable with a little bit of grip. 55 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:33,030 Children in youth decline overall, with five to 17 falling, the greatest, and under five slightly decreasing, reinforcing fewer younger households. 56 00:06:33,030 --> 00:06:44,510 school district enrollment. And the key takeaway is between 2014 and 2024, we saw the 57 00:06:44,510 --> 00:06:51,690 decline of 27%. The largest enrollment losses occurred between 2014 and 2020 after 58 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:58,010 which enrollment relatively stabilized and then virtually rebounded. So in summary, 59 00:06:59,290 --> 00:07:04,130 the same calculation is stabilizing after a period of decline. We're experiencing 60 00:07:04,130 --> 00:07:14,210 a complex age structure shift with growth at both ends really young and 65 plus and we 61 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:21,790 remain a small household community typically in the ones to burst households. 62 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:28,210 Any questions related to the four questions that we have any questions related to the four 63 00:07:28,210 --> 00:07:29,330 questions that we've 64 00:07:35,170 --> 00:07:40,130 We're talking about being to take a minute or two, I know it's a little bit sermation to go through. 65 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:45,530 But how about people versus households? The number of households is about ten percent. 66 00:07:45,770 --> 00:07:50,250 There was population, there was a flat, but that's like a really key reason they didn't hear. 67 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:54,470 So we have four households that we did, even though we want to say how we are people. 68 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:56,790 I don't know how to school throughout this place. 69 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:59,190 But yeah, that's a lot. 70 00:07:59,190 --> 00:08:10,010 So you think about families moving out of town and one or two people households will begin and that's where you see that's got to see that household 71 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:14,830 So I think also losing children now we're going to school to go to private school 72 00:08:15,850 --> 00:08:19,110 That's a possibility with the school popular and I'm so 73 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:20,410 Thanks for playing with me 74 00:08:20,410 --> 00:08:21,270 No, yeah 75 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:22,770 Is that a practical question 76 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:26,770 Yeah, and we you know we build more houses 77 00:08:27,850 --> 00:08:29,290 We're going to get into that. 78 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:30,830 That's what the answer is in here. 79 00:08:43,830 --> 00:08:46,030 So what our housing character is. 80 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:50,990 This is what they're looking for is a risk of telling our current housing supply. 81 00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:56,970 What it looks like, pelvis assessed over the supply of housing that has matches, the needs of our population. 82 00:08:58,430 --> 00:09:00,970 So we're going to talk about total units unit type size, 83 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:03,590 80th portion, and 10-year-old. 84 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:08,630 The total number of units total housing units remain. 85 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:18,310 relatively stable over time with a slight dip in 2019 fell by a rebound in 2004 to 5,985 units. 86 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:27,830 Overall, vacancy is largely driven by seasonal units, seasonal vacancy declines from 1267 units 87 00:09:27,830 --> 00:09:36,770 in 2014 to 1962 and 2019 before rising again to 1250 and 2024. 88 00:09:36,770 --> 00:09:48,970 Now, on season old, vacancy remains stable in 2014 and 2019 and 330, then dropped sharply to 63 units by 2024. 89 00:09:50,110 --> 00:09:55,870 Vacancy trend reflect a housing stock heavily influenced by season old youths. 90 00:09:59,790 --> 00:10:07,990 Overcraft, one person per run is not recorded in any year indicating no instances under the better across the periods. 91 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:11,210 severe overcrowding one-and-a-half persons per room 92 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:15,050 increases, known in the 2019's in 97 households 93 00:10:15,630 --> 00:10:19,050 after being in present in 25 households in 2014 94 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:21,990 before dropping zero by 2024. 95 00:10:23,810 --> 00:10:27,010 Overall, overcrowding, here's a limit in episodic 96 00:10:27,010 --> 00:10:30,970 with a temporary spike in severe overcrowding in 2019 97 00:10:30,970 --> 00:10:32,570 that is not sustained. 98 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,520 The way we count this change, 99 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,840 the fact that like, it's spiked up so much and came back down, it's interesting. 100 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,960 I thought something like it was, it was the methodology, when it was the latest 101 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,960 test data of this calendar change, you know, that's a question for your 102 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,300 record. 103 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:55,520 When's the question? 104 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:58,660 It's the fact that like it's spiked up so much and then basically 105 00:10:58,660 --> 00:10:59,800 we'll all look back to zero. 106 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,020 Like, the way they counted, they go about changing for that 2019 data point, it's just 107 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:08,280 you wouldn't think to see it very, quite that much. 108 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,980 And with five years, if it was related to both of them, people who have heard about the years are off. 109 00:11:14,380 --> 00:11:14,400 Yeah. 110 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:18,860 I don't know either somewhat when I think of the methodology here. 111 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:19,880 That data. 112 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:25,340 Thousand unit types. 113 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:30,720 E. Take away single family and detached from remain the dominant housing type. 114 00:11:30,740 --> 00:11:39,500 Low fee family, housing makes up a smaller but evolving chair of the stock with group in certain categories, particularly one unit attached. 115 00:11:40,380 --> 00:11:47,300 20 plus a unit buildings, while other mid-size categories fluctuate or decline by 2020, 116 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,280 housing 117 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:58,900 unit size. Key tape widths. The share housing stock is dominated by three veteran units 118 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:05,720 despite the number of unit defining your 2020-4. Housing stock continues to be concentrated 119 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,680 in mid-size units, two to four bedrooms, which made up the majority of units overall. 120 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:18,120 Board of Veterans' increase notably by 2024, surpassing 2014 levels in integrating a growing 121 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:25,680 share for larger, size, family housing, overall the composition shows gradual re-balancing 122 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:31,240 with real concentrating on more veteran units in a relative decline in two-bedroom hub. 123 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,860 Housing Unin8, the housing stock is predominantly older with most units being built prior 124 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:42,460 in 1990. 125 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,160 It just fits. 126 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:49,740 The structure and activity implies significantly in the 90s with relatively few units 127 00:12:49,740 --> 00:12:54,760 built since 2010, in 63 units comes constructed after 2020. 128 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,160 And Nick and I were talking about this with the presentation. 129 00:12:59,620 --> 00:13:03,800 We don't think it's the same. The units not demo rebuild, so we're seeing a lot of 130 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:10,100 thousands get torn down and rebuild, but it's the same units and these numbers just don't. 131 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:16,980 makes sense to us. Yeah, that's something that housing unit condition. Housing deficiencies 132 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:23,560 decline steadily over time with both matters of deficiency decreasing from 2014 through 2024. 133 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:30,440 Units lacking plumbing fall from 10 in 2014 to just 1 in 2024. 134 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:39,920 Well, 135 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,260 not sure about 136 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,560 when you think about the complete kitchen units, 137 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,100 whether they talk about it or lack of plumbing. 138 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,940 I mean, even seasonal residences, that's plumbing. 139 00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:57,240 So there's just going to say that. 140 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:58,140 That's super important. 141 00:13:58,620 --> 00:14:01,840 Yeah, so there's full number of units anyway too, right? 142 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,360 I'm unless they're talking about like seasonal water service. 143 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,660 You want to see a round of it, so that's something they need to clarify. 144 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,140 That's what I'm saying. 145 00:14:14,140 --> 00:14:14,560 That's what I'm saying. 146 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,620 and you key takeaways, 147 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:19,400 folder-occupied housing remains the dominant 148 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,440 in your type and it shares increased over time. 149 00:14:22,860 --> 00:14:25,500 Render-occupied housing remains a smaller share 150 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:28,600 but actually it's over time increasing in 2019 151 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,960 before declining again by 2024 to 672 units. 152 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:36,700 The 10-year structure becomes 153 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,280 and remains strongly on our occupied 154 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,100 with the tricky rental opportunity over time. 155 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:49,290 assisted housing units. 156 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:53,370 Assisted housing units increased over time growing from 157 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:59,130 96 and 2014 to 162 and 2024 with the most of the growth 158 00:14:59,130 --> 00:14:59,970 current between 20. 159 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:10,740 14. In 2019. Debristricted units also rise significantly over that period, increasing from 20 and 20, 14 to 78, and 20, 24, 160 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:14,460 indicating expansion of the permanently restricted before Bill House. 161 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:20,620 Housing summer. 162 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:28,880 Tightening the stable, totally units holding steady, and non-seasonal frequencies dropping sharply, reflecting strong demand for year-round, 163 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,000 housing even because seasonal homes continues to make up a large share of the stock. 164 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:39,380 Dominated by low-density owner occupied single-family homes with detached units consistently 165 00:15:39,380 --> 00:15:44,000 representing the vast majority of housing and only limited, deeply-systemed growth and 166 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,560 multi-family or rental launch. 167 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:51,400 Characterized by a housing shop that is aging and slow-to-renew, as most homes were built 168 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:57,740 before 1980 and due to construction since 2010 remains minimal, signaling long-term reinvestment 169 00:15:57,740 --> 00:16:01,940 and limited opportunity for modern diverse housing types. 170 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:05,380 Then your pattern shows strengthening ownership market 171 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:07,420 with owner-occupied units rising 172 00:16:07,420 --> 00:16:10,840 with recent years while rent or occupied units decline, 173 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:14,820 reinforcing a market that increasingly favors homeowners over. 174 00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:19,890 What is this? 175 00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:20,350 This is a question. 176 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:22,790 So any thoughts or questions about? 177 00:16:24,910 --> 00:16:27,170 I don't know if it's been corrected 178 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:32,150 going on behind the burby camp. Those were all rentals, right? 179 00:16:32,890 --> 00:16:33,210 That's right. That's right. 180 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:35,090 No, they're rentals. 181 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:35,990 They're all of this. 182 00:16:36,650 --> 00:16:40,190 So wouldn't we seen a rise in rentals? 183 00:16:41,530 --> 00:16:42,410 Because of that? 184 00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:45,330 I think they need to revisit the numbers because they're 185 00:16:46,010 --> 00:16:47,870 180, 6 units there. 186 00:16:48,610 --> 00:16:51,590 And I think it depends on when they pick it up with the 187 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:58,990 is two and that I think was they're just funded. We went 186 and 38 there or our D restricted, 188 00:16:59,230 --> 00:17:04,970 which kind of makes sense where it goes from 20 units and we have other developments to 38. 189 00:17:05,530 --> 00:17:10,710 Verse 78, there's something that I think they need to revisit those numbers or maybe it's just 190 00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:17,990 a sphere from that census. What are those old women? They were sealed at different times. So sometimes 191 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:21,990 This is what happens. We'll permit something, but they don't really go on the books to 192 00:17:22,950 --> 00:17:28,610 the project stuff, but it could be partial. So they could do a census and maybe 193 00:17:28,610 --> 00:17:34,750 40 of 186 have sea ups. So I think you get to put that into it as well. 194 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,120 I have a question. 195 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:41,800 Yes. 196 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,900 Back in the beginning of this section, it was probably around slide 19 or 20. You talked about 197 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:56,220 increase in 20 unit buildings, but we don't, I don't really recall any 20 unit buildings around 198 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:58,360 that time unless it's Sabrox station. 199 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,320 Sabrox station and unless they're calling in 20 units in 200 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,700 a housing development, maybe Anneford? 201 00:18:13,670 --> 00:18:17,530 Yeah, there's no 20 units in each building. I think it was a 202 00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:22,190 few slides ahead of us, like around. Thanks 13. 203 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:27,900 I can't see the page numbers on this. 204 00:18:33,370 --> 00:18:41,530 Yeah, right there with growth and certain categories, particularly one unit attached and 20 plus unit buildings. 205 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:58,270 They're considering the station. 206 00:18:59,150 --> 00:19:00,470 They're totally okay. 207 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:12,700 So maybe that really should say 20 unit developments versus building that something they should clarify if this is what they're. 208 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:16,780 I think that tough, I mean, when it talks about units, but yeah, I know what you're saying. 209 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:17,880 Buildings first. 210 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:20,560 Buildings make you think 20 in a building. 211 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,040 What a question. 212 00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:24,600 I guess I did, but that's okay. 213 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,400 It's fine with anybody in the gift. 214 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:42,800 Any other comments? 215 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:44,940 Yeah, two, two comments. 216 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:48,180 On page 11, total units in occupancy. 217 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,700 It states that overall vacancy is largely driven by seasonal units. 218 00:19:53,700 --> 00:20:01,960 I would buy, like, up the action is that women's economic activity in the town, and 219 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:09,240 at wonder if they could tie that somehow to set a limiting factor. 220 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,680 When you say limiting factor, limiting factor to walk? 221 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:24,280 Well, when the population shrinks for the winter, then there's less economic activity to 222 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:24,420 town. 223 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:28,520 But they're only basing this on population of 10,000. 224 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,300 They're not basing it on summer population. 225 00:20:34,150 --> 00:20:34,490 Right. 226 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:39,550 But yeah, I mean, it's showing that changes. 227 00:20:42,570 --> 00:20:48,850 But what I'm saying is if the town was able to maintain the economic activity, 228 00:20:49,410 --> 00:20:53,030 that the full population produces during the summer, 229 00:20:53,030 --> 00:20:58,470 So, when you have the least amount of vacancies, if that was maintained throughout a full 230 00:20:58,470 --> 00:21:04,450 12 months, there would be better economic activity for the town than having all these 231 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:09,010 unused resources sit on the sidelines for six, eight, ten months. 232 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,680 I think when there's Chris and I had a conversation about this one, when we're going all this 233 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,060 afternoon, I think when you're looking at seasonal vacancy, a lot of it can be attributed 234 00:21:24,060 --> 00:21:31,700 into the fact that so many houses now don't get used in the bunch of them, they're only used 235 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:32,260 in the summer. 236 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,280 There's not available today. 237 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:40,420 Right. 238 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:42,380 And that's kind of exactly my point. 239 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:42,880 Right. 240 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,720 And then there, there's no one in the restaurant, there's no one in Main Street, there are there's 241 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,480 less, maybe I don't know what, but there's one there's one. 242 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Of course, you saw people come from a town, and all that's considered, but I guess that's 243 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,700 kind of my question. 244 00:21:56,700 --> 00:22:05,140 is there a way to quantify how much the vacancies reduce the economic activity of the town? 245 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:10,780 I don't know if it's like, I'm curious, I was, the seasonal set was introduced here, like 246 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:11,420 to support animals. 247 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:16,920 That's what economic plan does that reduce the number of available units we had in the 248 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,260 years? 249 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,460 It's getting, like, understanding that more was, like, questioning them. 250 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,240 Yeah. 251 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:23,020 Yeah. 252 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:29,980 I don't see them, I'll make it to this 300, but season always, I mean, we have like a thousand houses out there that could be people 253 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,880 Is there only been used for three months? 254 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,980 I think we should be putting kids in the school. 255 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:36,960 Yeah, absolutely. 256 00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:42,400 Well, I also think they need to clarify there's houses that are seasonal because they can't be converted 257 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,480 to be around. They would be clarified that these are year-round homes. 258 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:49,880 Is that what they're talking about that are seasonal and occupied? 259 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,720 I'm assuming that. 260 00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:55,820 But we also have seasonal homes that have to remain seasonal or could be converted. 261 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,620 So I think they need to clean that up. 262 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:03,540 one, yep, yes, especially in our town, they've been initially 263 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:05,600 what seasonal means of how they're kind of right. 264 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:07,760 Yeah, number of homes are rented. 265 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:10,900 Look at what they call an academic. 266 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,300 Identifying rent talks. 267 00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:14,360 And is that even captured in this? 268 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Because we all know there's a number of those that happen. 269 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,480 That will pump up a number that would be part of that. 270 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,120 And the other part that I didn't see anything there was, 271 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,240 did they take into consideration anything on any use? 272 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,100 It's been sort of that for over the last number of years. 273 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,220 Well, I think when you look at housing type, 274 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:38,240 they do talk about that because they talk about 275 00:23:40,930 --> 00:23:44,150 it being detached housing. 276 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:47,530 And I think some of the new housing, 277 00:23:51,580 --> 00:23:53,860 about the 63 units that were built. 278 00:23:59,770 --> 00:24:00,710 What was the tax? 279 00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:06,010 And maybe you should be on the same integrity as family. 280 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:13,850 I think they need to clarify that if you have a tattoo detached to an ADU, is it's a true 281 00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:14,490 family? 282 00:24:15,910 --> 00:24:16,750 Yeah, how do they classify? 283 00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:17,430 Yeah. 284 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:19,930 I would show up in the sun right here today. 285 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:23,270 We have that as a we have a lot of education for them. 286 00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:26,390 I think Mark to your point about, 287 00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:36,010 I think you'll see some of that in the decline in 2014 to 288 00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:42,810 2019 when what can go, if we said it, if then it's too, it's prison again. I think it was 289 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:46,870 a decline at some point, but people not doing the academic that's back again. 290 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:52,310 Yeah, we don't know how many academic friends you know, but from what I'm hearing more 291 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:57,770 of that, you know, rentals, or rentals, get partifying them. It is very hard to find them. 292 00:24:58,130 --> 00:25:06,260 And it's usually done here. I also suspect that the cost of the houses now, some people 293 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:12,600 or not, and they just sold the houses, and you know, they're no longer academic, and they cashed out. 294 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Yeah, yeah, no, there's year-round houses, and yeah. 295 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Especially, it's what I don't know, too, yeah. 296 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,420 Not French, isn't it? 297 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:21,040 Oh, the question. 298 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:29,980 Where would year-round houses that are people's second colleagues, Hamilton, 299 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:39,160 So that the seasonal vacancy, because I'm a lot of the efforts that we think of, but they have 300 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,880 a viable year-round folks that are just sitting there, which is so sad. 301 00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,140 Yes, but that's what we're considering seasonal vacancy. 302 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:47,680 Okay. 303 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,000 So not just the college has been all. 304 00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:53,780 Any big in-house, even, kind of, this end? 305 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:57,040 We say college, do you mean a college that can't be used here? 306 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:57,480 Right. 307 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:09,280 That's why we're looking for clarification to what they mean by a seasonal vacancy because we know we don't have that many 308 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:22,580 Seasonal truly seasonal codes of them. I think it's it's fractional. I don't remember the last thing. It's definitely diminished. Yeah, it's all different. I mean, it kind of 309 00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:28,880 a water company turned off. Yeah. No, I changed it now. So. Yeah. So it goes through the 310 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,140 selectments office and that's a whole other issue because they don't shut the water off. So 311 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:39,500 someone could go through and get the water turned on and they're saving the house and buy away 312 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:46,970 the work. So that's a whole other thing to do with it. I said for us to get day like the day it's 313 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:51,990 on the slide. I got up to see that like almost mashed up before it's on like six. The house will 314 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:56,950 I've just so you can see them on like similar chart for them and like next to them like 315 00:26:56,950 --> 00:27:00,530 you know if we have this. So you like to see just to kind of you know if we have you 316 00:27:01,530 --> 00:27:07,550 1800 to people households we don't have 1800 to you know we're gonna do better my house at 317 00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:13,010 every people in the wrong size. That's how's the unit size yeah yeah well that's another thing 318 00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:18,810 that person I were talking about because you see an increase in the number four bit of units 319 00:27:19,390 --> 00:27:23,830 And we know people don't have large household sciences. 320 00:27:24,530 --> 00:27:28,310 But I think you're seeing a larger number of people, 321 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:30,610 where two people are working from homes, 322 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:32,010 and now they need two offices, 323 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:34,250 then it made it office space. 324 00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:37,210 Yeah. So now they're using two of those bedrooms as offices. 325 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:40,130 So yeah, that's a good question. 326 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:41,670 Stan, you see, yeah. 327 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:42,090 Yeah, yeah. 328 00:27:42,510 --> 00:27:43,810 And I guess the same thing on the 29th, 329 00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:50,070 team data, too. But maybe like lost 300 and four better bones in 2019, but then got five 330 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:55,230 hundred more. Yeah, right. So, same like just, where's the data coming from and being kind 331 00:27:55,230 --> 00:28:00,970 of the same? Yeah, just, it is a fascinating shift in the home unit size. And you see that. 332 00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:04,570 Well, guess if this is a survey, is it just depend on who they're mailing it to? Yes, 333 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:08,570 bonds as well. So, yeah, this is based on census data. Okay. Yeah, they actually looking 334 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:12,670 at like the house or they're asking a person who lives at a house. Like, what is your house? 335 00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:17,110 You know how you fill out the census data or how do you answer the census data yet? 336 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:19,150 People 337 00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:22,550 They're that's right 338 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:29,570 I know similar question about the housing unit type where you have this one that shows all the 339 00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:35,850 Ambassador of single units. Yeah, and then of course you talked earlier about the demographics shifting 340 00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:39,490 They're taking the reading with the, 341 00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:41,310 if you just want me to show a tell me the thing, 342 00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:47,230 and that is good, and so it strikes me 343 00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:53,310 that this inventory of unit types doesn't serve 344 00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:57,350 a demographic that's shifting to older couples 345 00:28:57,350 --> 00:29:00,430 for the most part, or even singles, right? 346 00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:02,570 Well, true. 347 00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:13,330 But if you look at some of the data, older people are living in larger homes, they're not moving it this small at all. 348 00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:19,710 So it's hard to see that shift to a smaller one bedroom or two bedroom home. 349 00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:21,050 They're not necessary. 350 00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:27,410 This is just like a view to get four bedroom house and a one bedroom apartment, but right now there's one right on this. 351 00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:34,550 Yes, well, I think it's fascinating because in 2014, it doesn't really show much and then in 352 00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:42,250 2019, we have 0.7% of our mobile homes and then in 2024, they all disappeared right, so I guess they 353 00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:47,270 got hitched up and taken out a tap. I guess the thing too is what are they considering their mobile 354 00:29:47,270 --> 00:29:52,410 home. Is it a manufacturer? That's the other thing. And so we should ask them why that fell off. 355 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:53,070 Right. 356 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:53,550 Right. 357 00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:54,790 They just did not have that night. 358 00:29:54,910 --> 00:29:55,930 They didn't serve anyone. 359 00:29:56,050 --> 00:29:56,710 That night too. 360 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:57,790 That could be all a guarantee. 361 00:29:59,250 --> 00:29:59,570 Okay. 362 00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:59,970 It is. 363 00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:08,220 And so just on the United States, I'm interested if we could provide us with some type of community benchmark 364 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:17,700 or the demographic that we have, what should the unit housing stock look like? What would be best practices 365 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:27,060 for matching this huge demographic with housing unit types? I think right now they're just asking us to, 366 00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:32,860 this is what they compiled and they're asking us at this point just to say, does this make sense to you? 367 00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:38,200 Yeah, look for some. So we're gonna have more workshops to visit, this is our first one too. 368 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,140 I think it's more getting an understanding of what they mean by you and how about... 369 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,760 Yeah, I mean, it's sitting on the lands that's leaves. 370 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,180 Or it's made of that, right? 371 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:51,480 Because it is a bondwales, does it both put the amount of... 372 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,100 Or that's all. 373 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,680 A metal frame underneath it. 374 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:59,420 I think you have to move on. Yeah. I don't think you're pushing. 375 00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:04,740 Thank you, Young. You have to feel it. It's funny. I can't climb. 376 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,580 Let's talk about jobs and workforce. Let's talk a little bit to Dennis and point about economics. 377 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,820 So looking total jobs, the jobs, the wages are resident workforce in our non-resident workforce, 378 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:28,080 And this will sort of key as in this maybe some of the housing we might need to look at right here. 379 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:35,800 So total jobs, the total jobs remain stable over the last decade, shifting only slightly. 380 00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:37,980 It's a 3% decline. 381 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:48,680 Resident workers increase steadily from 2014 to 2023 with the most notable drop occurring after 2019. 382 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,180 And then Olsaber, I think everyone understands 383 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:55,360 we realize heavily on in-commuters, 384 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,900 but 84% of its workforce living outside of town. 385 00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:05,240 You look at the industry, the top five industry, 386 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,440 the Olsaber, should be of no surprise, retail trade, 387 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,000 accommodation food service, health care and social assistance, 388 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,300 educational services, professional science, 389 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,540 as a contact with services. 390 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,260 I don't know why it doesn't say real estate, 391 00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:22,240 accommodation and food services. 392 00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:24,200 It has front of the sub-state facility, 393 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,610 rising from 847 jobs in 2014 to 1423 and 2023, 394 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,160 or sets looking at our increased reliance 395 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,880 centers of hospitality and retail trade remains, 396 00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:39,500 alternative to large employer, 397 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:43,420 consistently supporting 113,100 jobs. 398 00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:48,360 The age of our workforce, the 55 plus group, 399 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,060 grows steadily in local jobs, very many high, 400 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,400 among the resident workers, 401 00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:54,660 indicating that the light retirement, 402 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,060 and I would also say the cost of living, 403 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,060 rising dependency on the labor force. 404 00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:04,960 The 30-to-54 group remains the largest group, 405 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:08,520 but it's declining steadily among both residents and job holders, 406 00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:10,880 suggesting a thinner-middle generation, 407 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,980 and a limited replenishment of middle-prear talent. 408 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,880 And then age is 29 and under have declined 409 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,940 to both categories, indicating fewer young adults living 410 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:23,520 in old savor and few younger workers 411 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,360 participating in old savor based jobs. 412 00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:28,600 This is the people who live in old savor 413 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,220 and not people who work in old savor. 414 00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:30,480 I don't know. 415 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:30,740 I don't know. 416 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:30,960 I don't know. 417 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:31,780 I don't know. 418 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:31,860 I don't know. 419 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:40,340 I don't know. 420 00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:47,360 briefly is if you work on a town, is that mean your paycheck comes from out of town, but you're 421 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:53,280 sitting in your bedroom and old saver. Yeah, working for him. What does that mean? You may 422 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,580 work in old saver every day, but you're just not in an office and your employer be. 423 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,640 Well, I was going to, like, slide 22. I think that's, like, the job. It's just a little 424 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,860 saver, but it's 23. These are people who live in old saver. 425 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:10,040 These are the people I live 426 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,820 earnings, both those saber jobs, and resident of North Dakota is steady drop in the 427 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:23,520 workers earning 1250 or less, indicating fewer, very low bank roll, upper wage, but at 428 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,880 a whole saber president's whole more high earning jobs, the number of high earning jobs 429 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,400 will appear in the town itself, that per se those of the people are leaving town, like the 430 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,940 paycheck rather than working in town itself, whether they're actually leaving town if you go 431 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,900 a little wage jobs at Old Saver for shrinking faster than middle wage residents. 432 00:34:44,140 --> 00:34:48,140 Suggesting that big wage opportunities locally are declining and residents may be 433 00:34:48,140 --> 00:34:50,500 going to be up into higher-roading growth elsewhere. 434 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:57,180 So the meters shed, and I don't know why they use the root shed, the ruins. 435 00:34:57,780 --> 00:35:04,920 The root shed is a computer shed, and the top residential locations for Old Saver 436 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,200 workers is on saver and London, Norwich, and then in 2023 middle town. This is where the workers 437 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,800 come from. Yes, this is where the workers come from. So even years when old saver grants first, 438 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,400 it's workers make a holding 3% of the total showing that the town depends on income to meters of 439 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,460 rather than local residents, the staff, the shops, and despite small changes in order, the same 440 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:33,500 towns compare repeatedly in the top three, which is kind of a big surprise to anyone. 441 00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:36,210 And then 442 00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:45,750 for the old to have a workforce, the old to have a president's primary work outside of town with over 80% of residents employed elsewhere. 443 00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:49,490 And only a small share of residents work locally. 444 00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:51,270 And that number is declining. 445 00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:53,370 It's well under a thousand now. 446 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,740 And then workforce jobs by industry manufacturers, 447 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,920 mainly factoring is slowly declining. 448 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,000 have earned a decade rise 449 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:10,980 in industry, 450 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:14,220 consistent play, or workers than any other sector 451 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:17,040 that remains the strongest anchor of town. 452 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,240 So the top five are healthcare, 453 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,460 education, retail, manufacturing, and accommodation. 454 00:36:28,930 --> 00:36:31,010 Outwork destinations for old-savered residents, 455 00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:33,370 consistently are old-savered, 456 00:36:33,490 --> 00:36:35,450 new haven and hard for it. 457 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:37,610 And while old-savered remains the single largest 458 00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:40,430 work location, the combined full of new haven, 459 00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:45,450 market demonstrates that residents rely heavily on large employment hopes outside of the 460 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:50,130 town. This reinforces all the savings, the role as a residential community would 461 00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:59,170 strong outbound communities, rather than this adds to our area median income, the 462 00:36:59,170 --> 00:37:08,670 why it's growing significantly since 2014-2023, indicating overall wrong income growth in the region. 463 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:16,150 In rising AMI's thresholds to desk, increasing cost of living pressures, as some can 464 00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:21,350 levels required to qualify for affordability categories, have shifted upward for time. 465 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:29,960 Don't summary, all the savings down base is stable, but increasingly reliant on people. 466 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:37,320 The work force is aging and gradually shifting towards higher earnings jobs, but city growth in workers 467 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:46,160 earning more than $3,233 per month, with a long term decline to jump to workers. Local employment 468 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,540 is anchored in the service sector in the streets, especially health care retail and food servants. 469 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,560 With retail remaining are just the most stable. And residents increasingly work outside of old saver. 470 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:03,900 We're the only 10% of the residents were forced to employ in town in 2023, which 471 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,380 you're like, why aren't I continuing? 472 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,660 Questions, comments about what we just talked about regarding jobs and workforce? 473 00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:21,050 I think on the side point of the community, I'm going to go on and get back. 474 00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:26,090 I was the most of our workers coming in, but it's like the percentage of them being out 475 00:38:26,090 --> 00:38:26,630 of the population. 476 00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:32,010 6% of them in daily, like 90% of workers are now in comfortable, not these three places. 477 00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:33,130 Yes. Oh, yeah. 478 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:36,210 Which might mean it's more or less to three or four percent as they call it. 479 00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:36,730 Just one. 480 00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:39,930 Or go on workers like that and hold even one ten. 481 00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:40,430 One ten. 482 00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:40,950 Yeah. 483 00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:41,690 That was my point. 484 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:45,390 I was curious how far away the people held, like what have they, you know, 485 00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:46,410 Bob, they're done the graphics. 486 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:51,450 You know, and go totally talking to some of the weight staff and 487 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:53,630 bartenders and they're coming from as far as 488 00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:55,710 are for farming and spring build. 489 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:58,850 You hate him for these jobs, but they're going to be well. 490 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:01,880 Hey, Nick. 491 00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:03,300 Yes. 492 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:08,920 Yeah, I thought I saw a few slides back that health care is like the biggest sector, 493 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,620 but then on slide 30, you said retail trade is the highest sector. 494 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,080 So yeah, I know. 495 00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:20,780 We got to talk to them about that. 496 00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:26,280 this. All right. So Joanne is going to have had put together the summary. So slide, 497 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,280 I mean, we're going to start. I'll get those for Joanne. I know he's talking about. 498 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:37,820 Yeah, a slide 30 on retail trade and it was before that for the medical. 499 00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:46,600 And the only other comment, maybe it's later in the darkest, but is a worth characterizing 500 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:53,600 like how many commute via the train, is that gatherable data? 501 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:03,560 I read it in square elsewhere, most of our workers live elsewhere, it's like primed 502 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,300 for some kind of commuting solution that doesn't involve everybody driving the cars in that 503 00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:09,440 town every time. 504 00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:10,500 Kind of this like traffic. 505 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,020 Yeah, it might be beyond the housing issue, but we do talk about transit oriented 506 00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:17,940 districts. 507 00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:19,380 So 508 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,500 maybe here's something like the household 509 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:26,860 to size data, the puning and work of the guy that you two 510 00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:29,080 and three family, what ages aren't there. 511 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:31,900 Yeah, I mean, I mean, I may speak a little family 512 00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:34,900 that are leaving our town and be a little somewhere else 513 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:37,100 where they come back to work anyway, right? 514 00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:51,530 It needs some work, needs some children, 515 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:52,730 so many of them. 516 00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:55,270 It's like surprisingly different from some of the stuff 517 00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:56,770 we've seen in years past, yes, 518 00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:57,970 and one of the different things 519 00:40:57,970 --> 00:40:59,010 of the patients. 520 00:41:00,850 --> 00:41:01,290 Yes. 521 00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:04,030 Transurfing study was a bit of bad 522 00:41:04,030 --> 00:41:04,970 to do it back and back. 523 00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:07,390 It was a very problem that's not for a meal. 524 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:08,630 I feel the struggle. 525 00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:09,990 It needs to be figured out. 526 00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:11,870 I don't know what the problem is. 527 00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:13,630 It's. 528 00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:14,370 That's why we're. 529 00:41:15,250 --> 00:41:18,110 Using to be helpful for a little. 530 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:19,670 Clarification on how to be. 531 00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:20,470 It was collected. 532 00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:22,710 It's. 533 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:24,050 If that was one of the things they asked, 534 00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:25,930 it seems like we're kind of bouncing from. 535 00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:34,930 So we're Susan, maybe we're using local terms for seasonal or year-round or units, a little bit more. 536 00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:42,150 Well, some of us, like, is that we set it a survey to a resident ask them questions versus, like, did we get pulled from actual, you know, 537 00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:45,790 they do you have, for instance, basically the actual number of houses we have, or something. 538 00:41:46,450 --> 00:41:54,930 So this is one of a series of, so this is general information that they put together. 539 00:41:54,930 --> 00:42:09,930 And they're looking to see, okay, is this what you're seeing, you know, these trans, what are you seeing here, you know, that we're going to get into the housing needs assessment. 540 00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:24,910 But we're trying to kind of do this baseline of what's going, so this is a way for us to look at, okay, you know, obviously there's some things we believe there's we don't understand what 20 plus units is we don't understand it. 541 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:32,810 seasonal season alone in some of the even animals about. So this is for us to get local context or, you know, what happened at the moment. 542 00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:44,220 So this is the oversight was that 10 people can't think, you know, similar and they moved on or are they talking about maybe your factured homes when they sing well. 543 00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:54,100 It's a good consistency and like there's a like we thought in units or rooms or bedrooms because they are looking at it at the regional thing. So they're trying to make it all fit. 544 00:42:54,100 --> 00:43:01,820 And they just need to share with us what they're defining, so we can make our data fit into that in our organic planning. 545 00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:09,700 So, so right now the phase one we're going through, you know, 546 00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:13,580 established, you can share understanding of regional and municipal housing. 547 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:22,480 They're going to update the data, integrate statutory requirements, and then the regional data trends. 548 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:44,700 Okay, that's I think what we just got now working her role is to review trends in confirmed understanding, identifying missing context or major data gaps, which I think we've noted out, sort of things that have to be revisited and then the next thing I believe will be a similar workshop for us. 549 00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:50,700 It will save Earth is to read how housing need is calculated for our town and the region and 550 00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:55,940 will be another working group at that time to participate in a workshop. 551 00:43:56,540 --> 00:44:00,160 There's a segment with the enchilai. Obviously we're probably looking at December. 552 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,860 If you're supposed to be doing this in June, but you never know. 553 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:11,840 I do have to say the region to get a lot of candid to them. The last session and a lot of deadlines and a lot 554 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:19,640 things that we're not clear, so they are moving along, but I think the timeline may be 555 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:26,560 sketched out. This is regional, but I'm sure it's probably not available, but how do we 556 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:33,360 compare the surrounding pounds? So is there a pattern in the other towns that is we can 557 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:41,820 in saver, or is there a pattern that shows saver stronger than any other towns? Because one of the 558 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:48,100 any type of affordable housing and seek to post a real estate. And I think that that 559 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:54,300 in terms of the people coming in to work, the town I would love to live in town, but they can't afford them. 560 00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:59,100 And buy in town. So how did that weigh into that process, too? 561 00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:05,220 I think we're just going to involve and look at it. I mean, it's interesting because our region includes 562 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:15,140 Vittal Town and either so many differences between larger towns and in our town. So many similarities with some of our neighbors, 563 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:28,680 but we're kind of more of an regional hub to compare to Chester G. Brewer. So I think we continue to do this. 564 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:34,740 information that we share, and then we'll have several more of these working group discussions. 565 00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:38,400 And I think it's kind of valuable to have it with Bill's planning and zoning. 566 00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:42,020 I mean, if we get to the point, 567 00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:48,880 we do implement the plan and the zoning commission, obviously, is going to have a major role in adopting 568 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:54,500 regulation. So I think the more we can try to meet together, not that we need any extra 569 00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:06,800 but I know mid-Falms extremities, but try to put me in place together and stay on the same page as much as we can. 570 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,200 I just dropped. 571 00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:10,080 Thank you. 572 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:10,660 Thank you. 573 00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:11,640 Thank you. 574 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,960 I guess we did well started off, so I guess the motion is to adjourn at six. 575 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,260 That's her adjourned at six or at the seven.