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All right.
All right, I'll call to order the

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regular meeting of the common council
for Tuesday, June 9th.

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Uh will the clerk please call the
attendance roll?

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» Alderman Benion.
>> Here.

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» Alderman Carey.
>> Here.

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» Alderwoman Coloni.
>> Here.

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» Alderwoman McColl.
>> Here.

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» Alderman Crawford.
>> Here.

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» Alderman Esteja.
>> Here.

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» And Alderman Robinson.
>> Here.

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» Uh please rise for the invocation and
pledge allegiance.

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» Heavenly Father,
we come to you today asking for

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guidance, wisdom, and support as we
begin this meeting.

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Help us to engage in meaningful
discussion.

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Allow us to grow closer as a group
and nurture the growth of this

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community. In your name we pray.
>> Amen.

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» Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Reading, reading, correcting, and
approval of the minutes of the previous

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regular meeting.
>> The regular meeting of the Holyoke

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Common Council was held
on Tuesday, May 26th, 2020 at 6:15 p.m.

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» Present.
>> Alderman Robinson, Alderman Benion,

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Alderman Alderman Carey, Alderwoman
Coloni,

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Alderman McColl, and Alderman Esteja.
>> All right, I'll make a motion to approve

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the minutes. Can we get a second?
>> Second.

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» Seconded by Carey. All in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Aye.
>> Opposed?

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Committee reports and unfinished of
business.

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» We have none.
>> Communications from the mayor.

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» Yes.

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So,
I have two proclamations

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for June.
The first is a special proclamation for

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Juneteenth.
Whereas the year 2026 marks the 161st

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anniversary of this pivotal moment in
American history, serving as a time of

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profound reflection on our nation's
journey from the shadows of slavery

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toward the light of liberty and justice.
And whereas we observe Juneteenth 2026

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during a landmark year designated as a
century of black history commemorations

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for the study and celebration of black
life and history. And whereas as a

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nation approaches its 250th anniversary
of independence, Juneteenth reminds us

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that the American story is incomplete
without acknowledging the resilience,

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culture, and indispensable contributions
of black Americans who have fought to

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make the promise of freedom a reality
for all. Now, therefore, let it be

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resolved that I, A. E. B. Sherburn,
mayor of the city of Oakland,

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proclaim Friday, June 19th, 2026
as Juneteenth and call upon all citizens

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to observe this day as a second
Independence Day honoring the endurance

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and triumphs of the black community,
reflect on their historical significance

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and the long-delayed news of freedom,
educate ourselves and our children on

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the accurate history of our nation,
ensuring the legacy of the enslaved are

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never forgotten, and build a future
where freedom for all is not just a

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slogan but a lived experience.
And also for the month of June, LGBTQ

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and Pride Month. Whereas the month of
June is recognized as LGBTQ and Pride

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Month, a time to celebrate the vibrant
diversity and enduring spirit and rich

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history. And whereas Pride Month
commemorates the anniversary of the

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Stonewall Uprising, a pivotal moment in
history that ignited the modern movement

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for LGBTQ
and civil rights and reaffirmed the

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fundamental truth that love is love. And
whereas we honor the activists,

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pioneers, and everyday individuals who
have fought and continue to fight

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against discrimination and prejudice to
build a more inclusive and equitable

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world. And whereas our com- community is
strengthened by the contributions of

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LGBTQ+
individuals in every field, from the

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arts and sciences, public service, and
business, proving that when people are

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free to be their authentic selves, we
all thrive. Now, therefore, let it be

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resolved that I, A.D. Server, Mayor of
the City of Olean, hereby call upon our

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communities to embrace the spirit of
Pride as we reflect upon the progress,

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celebrate the cultures that make our
community a tapestry of diversity,

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acknowledge the challenges that still
remain today, and champion a future that

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every person shall be treated with
dignity, respect, kindness, and equality

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for everyone.
And also, we have some good news to

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deliver today um
for the

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If you recall back in March, you
approved that we applied for the lead

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service line replacement
study. Our projects are

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eligible, and
I'll have um James complete that good

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news for you.
>> So, we we actually got two awards from

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uh two award announcements from the New
York State Department of Health.

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They're actually both under the 2005
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

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for the lead service line replacement
funding.

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The first is a grant for up to $2
million.

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And the second is interest-free
financing for up to $2,776,000.

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So the way it's presented, those are two
separate chunks of money. So we should

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have essentially 4.8 million
once we get contracts in place available

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to start attacking this problem.

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» All right.
Thank you very much.

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That is good news.

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All right.
Miscellaneous communication?

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We have none.
City reports?

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We have none.
Proposed legislation and referrals?

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» PL 62-26
by Mayor Schuman.

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Referred to strategy committee by
Council President.

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» All right. Finance and bills?
>> We have none.

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» All right.
Before I open up public

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the floor to public, any council members
have anything they'd like to discuss?

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» I see you have a comment.
>> Yeah, I just have a couple things I'd

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like to bring up. First,
it affects my ward, so that's good news.

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We got word I think a couple days ago
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where St. John's parish that had been
located down in North Tonawanda since

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1896
is not going to close anymore like it

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was scheduled. It's going to remain
open, and it's not going to be merging

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with St. Mary's. So it's going to be an
independent parish. So that is great

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news for North Tonawanda residents who
would attend that parish.

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And the second comment I'd like to make
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Second comment I'd like to make is uh
I was checking an email the other

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uh actually this morning and there were
some emails from our city attorney

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addressed to the common council.
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basically saying that the council
members aren't allowed to communicate

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solely with uh city employees.
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I don't like to have concrete examples
of uh

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who who in the city attorney is trying
to pinpoint on the common council

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that uh is trying to get the blending. I
mean, I've been up here for 17 years.

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I've worked with uh three mayors and now
four.

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And I've never received such an email
like this before.

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Uh we're up here to represent our
constituents and protect the city's

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taxpayers' dollars as long as the mayor
is.

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So, it's like I took uh exception to
that email and it's like uh I think it

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should be put on the meeting and have
those emails brought forward and

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discussed as why they were sent to us.

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» Well, I think uh
yeah, we can bring that up in committees

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and uh discuss
uh see what that be

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city app or we can do it under committee
of the whole city app.

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City app?
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» Is that good, you?
Stephanie, [clears throat] can you put

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that on for city apps?
Discuss those

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uh emails that we received today.
Uh that way we can shine some light, get

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an explanation on that.

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All right, anything else?
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All right. Uh seeing none, uh
will the clerk please read the

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public comment statement.
>> The public comment portion of the

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council meeting
is established to provide members of the

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community with the opportunity to
publicly state their views, pose their

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concerns,
or to provide input pertaining to any

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issue affecting city government.
Additionally, the mayor, common council

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members, and city department heads
encourage any personal questions to

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contact them at their offices.
>> All right, thank you.

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All right, at this time, if you have uh
public comment uh for the council,

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please come up. You will have 3 minutes,
and please be mindful of each other's

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time.
And state your name and address for the

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record.

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» Terry Chapman. I live at 136 South Pitt
Street. I own property also 130 and 134

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South Pitt Street. I will be also um
purchasing 133.

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I just
uh couple things I have is um

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the house that's next to 130,
it's not well-kept.

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Um it's not maintained.
And the shingles have been coming off

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for the past 5 years at least.
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the fence also in the back is not
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and it has um dogs, and my neighbor's
dog

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is only five, and the dog um digs
um at the fence, which I always have to

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maintain to make sure
he doesn't This dog does not get out.

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So, I'm always worrying about his
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The other um
comment I would like to make is feral

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cats uh that is in our neighborhoods.
Um they spray on our porches.

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That's all you smell.
They literally poop on our

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uh yards.
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it's it's
uh kind of sad that we cannot enjoy our

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own front porches.
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the other issue in the neighborhood is
cars um speeding down our our street.

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There's multiple kids
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And um
I am not quite sure why all of a sudden

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people are
going so fast down our street. I don't

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» [clears throat]
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I don't personally think 30 miles per
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appropriate.
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and uh
another issue I've been away and I saw

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that you're um
putting out an initiative to encourage

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people to live here and giving five
families $4,000.

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I basically moved back here in 2019
um by choice and that

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and um
I didn't get anything

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get uh
money to come here. Personally, I think

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you should really focus on getting
businesses to come here

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to help with the
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And the other is the Olean Center Mall.
I worked at West End Development Center

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um for 30 years and I'm very aware of
what people think and um I would

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rather promote to get
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for the VA
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um
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I feel we need to
give back to our veterans.

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And then
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Anyone else?
>> Hey guys.

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I'm Dr. Kennedy.

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I know Dr. Marcus. Captain Marshall and
Lenny belong to him.

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I decided I'm going to put him on the
board. We're going to have him on the

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board.
Hopefully he stays the attorney general.

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Um there's four properties where we lose
the office. See what I've done.

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Work with y'all.

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Work with y'all.
I'm going to

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try to get a little bit wet in the rain
so I'm on my way down.

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Um
Basically I just want my rights back

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y'all.
I did nothing wrong to Mr. Harris. I

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came to this city
to this building to file a complaint on

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Mr. Harris. I was brutally and violently
assaulted

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by Captain Marshall.
I do do feel as though I deserve rights.

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I thank all the men that did speak to me
last council meeting. Mr. Robinson, you

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know I much appreciate you.
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On other news, um if y'all remember I
was going to clean up last year and I

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offered to paint the bridges.
Mayor Sheldon's family last year had

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offered to help support me and buy the
paint.

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With the mayor's permission I would like
to carry on with that. I would like to

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continue painting the bridges if
I have the support of that mission.

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And the help of her family.
Um in other news, smoking here is still

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not permitted.
I was

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um
This woman here

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is um
This bathroom here called in the police

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department.
She's smoking out our back steps back

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here.
And it's been into the police

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department.
I have asthma, emphysema, to see a

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How am I supposed to get in there if I
have to go through cigarette smoke?

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These laws were put in place to stop
people like me. I smoke cannabis. If

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you're going to allow her to smoke
cigarettes there, I'm going to get the

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city to come out. I got so many friends
to smoke cannabis. We'll surround this

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building, we'll smoke cannabis through
all day. We will smoke you people in, I

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swear to god.
Get a handle on these people smoking

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around this building. 25 people in this
building, I don't care if they have to

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put up a parking area out a bench on the
parking area for them.

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25 people in the building, that's what
the city law says. That's what the state

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law says, and that's what our county law
says. Let's keep it in check, okay?

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Thank you. Y'all have a good day.
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Anyone else?
Anyone else?

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Anyone else?
All right, at this time we call the

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public comment portion closed.
Moving on resolutions.

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» Resolution 46-26,
ordinance 40-26,

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revised
by Alderman Payne, seconded by Alderman

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Robinson, to amend the city of Holyoke
code of ordinances section 24-136,

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seasonal restrictions,
to amend parking restriction for street

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sweeping.
>> All right, this one we've already voted

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on.
Problem was is there was a street

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omitted, and that is now
added in, so we're have to re-vote on it

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again.
Uh we already have the sponsors, so any

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other questions on this one?
Seeing none,

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clerk, please call the roll.
>> Alderman Payne?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McGee?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Fournier?

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» Yes.
>> [clears throat]

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» Alderman Women McCall?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Foster?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Anastasi?
>> Yes.

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» And Alderman Robinson?
>> Yes.

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» Motion carries 7-0.

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Resolution 50 that 26 PL 49 that 26
to authorize the mayor to execute the

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intermunicipal agreement for the
Allegheny River Trail between city of

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Olean, town of Olean, and town of
Allegany.

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Who would like to sponsor that?
>> All right. This one was passed out of

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committees pending response from the
city attorney. City attorney responded

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in an email to us, I think it was 2
weeks ago,

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with a response. Everything was
favorable.

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Any other questions or comments on this
one?

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» Should I send it back to committees to
get it sponsored, is that correct?

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» No, we're moving it forward because of
the fact that there is a couple of

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others that are on here that we were
going to go through that did not

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There were discussions that we wanted to
go through, so

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if we pull this one, we're going to pull
the rest.

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I think Anastasia won't like that.

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So,
yeah.

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» So,
just to clarify though,

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procedurally though, do we need to?
>> Procedurally, I mean, we can

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It's To me, it's similar to
>> I was going to say, did we ever vote it

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out?
>> Yeah, we voted it out pending the

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response from the lawyer.
So, it was voted out.

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It was a discussion. It was never
appealed,

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so
>> [clears throat]

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» that's where we're at.
So, if we can get the sponsors, we can

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go on.
We are looking to

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I didn't mention this part, but we are
looking to work on getting uh

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that particular portion of the
code of ordinances amended because there

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are some errors in there, but yes, we do
want to stay with the format, so

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um

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So, sponsors?
>> I'll sponsor.

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» All right.
Alderman Crawford, can I get a second?

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» I'll second.
>> Seconded by Anastasia.

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Will the clerk [cough and clears throat]
please call the roll?

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» Alderman Benion?
>> No.

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» Alderman Carey?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Foley?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman McCall?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman
Anastacia? Alderman Crawford?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Anastacia?

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» Yes.
>> And Alderman Robinson?

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» Yes.
>> Motion carries 6 to 1.

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Resolution 52-26,
PL 51-26

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by Alderman McCall, seconded by Alderman
Foley.

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To amend the City of Olean Code of
Ordinances Section 13-376.

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Conditions for maintenance of license.
To amend the requirements for a

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contractor's license in accordance with
the New York State Coalition Law Article

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23-A.
>> All right.

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Are there any questions on this one?
All right.

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Seeing none,
uh we already have sponsors. Uh will the

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clerk please call [clears throat] the
roll?

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» Alderman Benion?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Carey?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Foley?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman McCall?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Crawford?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Anastasia?
>> Yes.

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» And Alderman Robinson?
>> Yes.

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» Motion carries 6 to 1. [clears throat]

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Resolution 55-26,
PL 54-26

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by Alderman Robinson, seconded by
Alderman Benion.

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To amend the City of Olean Code of
Ordinances Section 24-173.

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No blocking of driveway. To include 1615
West State Street.

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» All right, this is the one where there
was a sign and then the sign was removed

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and there was nothing in the books on
that particular one, so we're now

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putting something in the books and
getting that sign put back up. This was

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requested by the property owners down
there and they are remodeling and

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updating everything down there
for that big building there. So.

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Any questions or comments?
Seeing none, will the clerk please call

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the roll?
>> Alderman Bingham?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Kairis?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Folding?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McColl?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Crawford?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Anastasia?

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» Yes.
>> And Alderman Robinson?

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» Yes.
>> I think that is 7-0.

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Resolution 56-26,
PO 55-26

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by Alderman Bingham, seconded by
Alderman Anastasia

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to amend the City of Holyoke Code of
Ordinances Section 24-24

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to restrict parking on Forest Street of
Holyoke.

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» All right, this one was discussed in
committees and was a PO, so that's why

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it moved forward.
Any questions or comments on this one?

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McColl?
>> So,

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I'm in agreement with this, but I would
like the city not to become mediators

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for
disputes between neighbors as a

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as a rule. Um, I I understand the need
for this one, but I also

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really
I know that I know that the alderman

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there did everything they can to try to
to manage this, but I don't want to see

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us mediating through legislation.
>> I agree on that one. We should not be

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mediators, but at the same time, you
know, this particular one uh

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the parking restrictions for that for
that area is uh

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warranted.

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Any other on this one?
All right, seeing none, will the clerk

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please call the roll?
>> Alderman Kiley?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Keding?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McFooley?

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» Yes.
>> [clears throat]

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» Alderman McCall?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Crawford?
>> Yes.

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» Alderman Anastasia?
>> Yes.

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» And Alderman Robinson?
>> Yes.

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» Motion carries 7 to 0.
>> All right.

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Resolution, I'm sorry, go ahead.
>> [laughter]

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» I just had to do it.
>> Resolution 57-26,

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PL 56-26
to amend the City of Olean Code of

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Ordinances Section 24-134
to restrict parking on East Pine Street.

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This one was sponsored
>> All right, this one was discussed but

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was not a PL. Uh so therefore it would
have to go through another week of

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waiting. So Anastasia wanted to push
this one through.

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Uh so they can satisfy his constituents.
>> You had that the old sponsors were JR

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and myself.
>> That was to move it out from it was a

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discussion not a PL.
>> I'd like to sponsor this.

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» Yeah, it's sponsored by you.
>> I'll second.

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» All [clears throat] right, Anastasia
and Benjamin.

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Will the clerk please call the roll?
>> Alderman Benjamin?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Kiley?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McFooley?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McCall?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Crawford?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Anastasia?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Robinson?

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» Yes.
>> Motion carries 7 to 0.

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Resolution 58-26
PL 57-26

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to amend the City of Olean
char- charter Section 3.078

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budget transfers to require
Alderman McFooley?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McCall?

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Crawford

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Anastasia

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» Yes.
>> and Alderman Robinson

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» Yes.
>> Motion carried. Simmons has voted

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» All right.
>> PL 60-26

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I'm sorry. Resolution 60-26, PL 59-26
to amend the City of Holyoke Code of

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Ordinances Section 21-35
maintenance of sidewalks to include

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sidewalk maintenance with 5 minutes or
shared use paths.

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Mr. Mayor, is this possible?
>> All right. This one was discussed in

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committees and uh we are looking to
ensure that for the shared use paths

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that the
persons the individuals will be

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responsible from their house to the
first longitudinal joint is the way the

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wording is in here.

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All right. Any questions or comments on
this one?

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» [clears throat]
>> All right.

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Uh I'll entertain sponsors.
>> I'll second.

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» Damien
>> I'll second.

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» Will the clerk please call the roll?
>> Alderman Bannon

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Carey

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Foley

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» Yes.
>> Alderman McCall

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Crawford

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» Yes.
>> Alderman Anastasia

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» Yes.
>> and Alderman Robinson

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» Yes.
>> Motion carried.

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Simmons has voted
>> All right. And I'll make a motion to

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adjourn. Do I hear a second?
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Quick questions. I know I have some

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follow-up questions
regarding So you're just I guess

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So everyone knows you've been the head
uh lead project manager really on the

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splash park, correct?
>> Yep.

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» And now you are going to be the lead
project manager on the pool?

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» That's correct.
>> Okay.

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Um so
did uh uh we received some

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information from the administration. Uh,
did you, just to help me get caught up

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take some requests back to uh for a
change order to the contractor?

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» For the pool, yes.
>> Can you Can you talk a little bit about

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that, please?
>> Yeah. So, bids came in. Uh, low bid was

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about $1.1 million.
Um, after the fact, we had talked about

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the need for additional scope.
Um, the sentiment that I understand is

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that the city wants to If they're going
to do work on the pool, they want to

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make sure they do it right. Um, and they
want to make sure that it it's

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long-lasting, it has a
you know, more than a 20-30 year life

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cycle.
Um,

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now, Chris pointed out to me that it
seems that the pool walls behind the

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pool, number one, are um,
have voids in them.

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So, that's something that we
wanted to get a quote for to

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investigate. Now, the only way you can
investigate this is if you remove the

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existing tile and marcite off the walls.
The original scope scope included

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um
pressure washing the existing tile after

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all of this tile.

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And then,
the existing marcite,

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um they included a new marcite service
for top of the existing marcite.

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So, if we're wanting to investigate the
pool walls to determine how many voids

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are there, we'd have to remove the
existing marcite and the existing tile,

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perform the inspection,
fix the voids,

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and then new marcite. So, that's the
quote that I have for you guys. It's

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that includes that work, and then it
includes the new winter cover, which

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wasn't included in the original bid.
So, in total, with the credit for

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the with the credit for like uh
the

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the original bid work,
the total the new total for that change

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order would be $375,000.
So, that's on top of the original $1.1

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million.
And that doesn't include any potential

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cost for fixing the voids themselves.
So, that includes the investigation and

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then the new marcite on the entire pool
and the winter pool cover.

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So, I think it it would probably be my
recommendation to have

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probably about $100,000
in contingency ready to be spent

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uh on on repairs to the voids.
Again, we don't know what these kind of

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new voids potentially are.
Um so, that's just

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off of whatever and prices and the
prices that

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Stevens Passam the prices Stevens
provided us, um that's what I would

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recommend.

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And then also, my understanding is that
we have a you guys have a grant for

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about $750,000.
This puts This puts the city on fronting

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about $800,000,
a little bit more than that.

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» Okay, and I think that's kind of what
where we're at right now with the

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discussion is um trying to take all of
that information. And I wanted to just

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um
confirm that the additional quote for

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the change order was to indeed
essentially remove the existing walls,

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do an inspection of
all of the structure, look for the

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voids, correct and fill them, etc., and
then put all new uh marcite walls in.

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» Um that's right.
The only thing The only thing in there

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that that you mentioned is the only
thing that's not included is the cost of

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repairing the voids.
>> Okay.

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» You know.
>> And you think

450
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:03,200
You think $100,000 worth of contingency
would be acceptable for that?

451
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,240
» It's That That's what I would start
with. It's It's really tough to know.

452
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:12,960
Uh I mean I I believe the pool was
constructed in 1970.

453
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,520
Uh but you know, who who knows
um

454
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,960
how well it was constructed, what's
happened in the area since then.

455
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Um
I I would hope I had hoped that $100,000

456
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:30,840
could cover any of the costs for the
voids. But again, worst case scenario is

457
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:34,600
that we find that this wall has degraded
so much that it needs to be replaced

458
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,040
entirely.
And that's something that I had talked

459
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:43,360
about with Jim Sprague as well.
You know, we could get to a point where

460
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:47,480
it it may not be beneficial to the city
to go for a repair.

461
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,920
So,
my initial my initial uh thought

462
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,760
was that
if one wanted a new pool,

463
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,440
we we do the work in phases, and we
start with just investigation of the

464
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,760
walls
to determine if it's even worth it to

465
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,360
keep the pool. Now again, that's going
to That's going to cost some, too.

466
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,680
I asked
uh that team to break that out. I

467
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,680
believe they had that cost at about
$150,000.

468
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,240
» You can't just take like a sledgehammer
and find out what it's like?

469
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680
» Well, the question is
>> $100,000

470
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:29,520
» if the
the city forces has the ability to

471
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:33,680
to to remove marcite and the tile, I
definitely think that that would be the

472
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,120
route to go.
>> Yeah.

473
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,880
Um
All right, I'm just taking some notes as

474
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,880
I think most of us are.

475
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:49,120
Um, I have some additional questions uh
and I know some of my counterparts as

476
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:53,600
well in our discussion. I mean, you
know, we're we're faced with kind of a

477
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:59,800
obviously this is a big ticket item and
and we have some tough decisions to to

478
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:04,000
to make. Um,
but questions that

479
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,520
have come up again and again is given
the the dollar value associated with a

480
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,400
project like this and it sounds like
almost a full rehab as it is.

481
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Uh,
what are the

482
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:20,360
what's the possibility the feasibility
of reducing the size and scope of what

483
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:26,360
the existing
really monstrosity of pool into

484
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,760
something that would be more efficient?
>> Just reducing the size of the pool, what

485
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,360
do you mean?
>> Well, that was that's one of them and I

486
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:37,280
and I I think another item that was
brought up uh was the possibility of

487
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:42,000
like a zero entry type pool. I mean, if
we're talking about a major renovation

488
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:47,560
of the pool,
what type of cost are we faced with to

489
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:51,960
and and and if at that point, would it
change the scope of the project so much

490
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:56,720
that you'd have to go out to bid again?
>> I don't I don't believe um I don't

491
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,800
believe making the pool smaller would
reduce the total cost of the project at

492
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,720
all. I think it would actually increase
the cost. You have to bring in all the

493
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:08,560
additional billing and have to set up
with the new concrete wall that portion

494
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:12,240
of the pool you'd be cutting off.
Um, you still need to pour new concrete

495
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:16,639
or excavate. All you'd be doing is
reducing the amount of bars that's going

496
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:22,720
to be installed in the existing pool.
>> And I don't necessarily think that we're

497
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:27,320
expecting it to reduce the cost.
How much does it additionally increase

498
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:33,080
the cost? And and the the logic is, you
know, if you if you reduce the size by

499
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:35,639
33 or 40%. If you you instead of having
an L-shaped pool.

500
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:42,720
» Yep.
>> That that certainly reduces the cost to

501
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:45,240
in chemicals, in um
on and on and on, right? The the number

502
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,480
of
number of lifeguards, etc. etc. I mean,

503
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:54,280
so would it not make it more
and a a more efficient pool to operate?

504
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,240
» This seems like a life cycle analysis
issue. Um

505
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,760
I don't think that's something that I
can

506
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,080
» Yeah.
>> uh

507
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,400
probably quantify right now just off the
top of my head.

508
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,680
» Yes. Possible.
>> Um

509
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040
but it could be over a 20-year life
cycle.

510
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:20,000
» So, as we kind of contemplate, um
there's a cost to everything. So,

511
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:24,000
clearly to investigate the walls of
150,000,

512
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,640
um looking at like it looks like the
city's responsible for maybe 224

513
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,560
or 724,000
plus

514
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:36,440
if we went forward.
>> But there's also a cost to to getting

515
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:42,360
rid of the pool, too. Do we have any
idea of what the cost to the city would

516
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:46,840
be if we didn't
do this project with the pool and we we

517
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,760
got rid of it? What would the cost to
the city be for that?

518
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:55,160
» Um
I think I think defining what getting

519
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:59,760
rid of the pool would be if if it's just
simply filling the pool in with stone,

520
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:04,520
um I don't I mean, I don't have a number
off the top of my head.

521
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Now, $200,000,
I mean, I could be highballing it. Um

522
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,280
if I knew the pool volume, I could I
could definitely get you a number of

523
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,720
what it would cost, but you'd basically
just be filling it in. If you wanted to

524
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:21,520
go get rid of the pool and reuse that
area for any other purpose,

525
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:26,640
um assuming you're filling in the
existing pool and you're covering it

526
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,800
with new concrete and then
using the pad or area for something

527
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:35,320
else.
Um I can definitely get you guys a more

528
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:40,200
concrete cost if you guys want.
>> Well, I think that we need to kind of as

529
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:44,680
we weigh that, look at, you know, if we
choose not to to do the pool, you know,

530
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:49,120
what what's our cost? Because there's a
cost either way. And I think

531
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:54,040
understanding that helps us to make some
decisions, too. Because we can't just

532
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,720
leave
the

533
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,440
pool
for obvious reasons.

534
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,840
» Of course, yeah. I Let me get Let me get
you guys the numbers on that. And I'll

535
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:09,240
just give you a number just for the cost
material to fill in the existing pool.

536
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Um
and then I'll add in the the cost of the

537
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:19,440
of a concrete deck over top of it.
>> I mean, looking at the bid,

538
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:24,360
that was the highest portion of the
cost, right? Is the concrete the size of

539
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:28,640
the scope of of
Because most of that million dollars was

540
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,360
going towards replacing the pool deck,
correct? So, is

541
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,720
» Yeah, a lot of that goes towards
replacing the pool deck. I think

542
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,560
probably about $400,000 goes towards
replacing the pool deck.

543
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,600
» So, yeah, if you could at least so we
have

544
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,160
I guess all of the information available
to us.

545
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,240
Um I think that's a
valid question to follow up with.

546
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Brandon, if you get us a number on what
what would it be what would the cost be?

547
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,040
I would even still say if it's even
allowed

548
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,960
um
given the

549
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:06,480
um
the covenant that still sits on that

550
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:11,360
pool. That's still something that um
Miss Carrie Cooper pulled out and looked

551
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:15,720
into for us. Um given grant money that
was received when that pool was put in

552
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:19,640
place. So, if it is allowed to even be
diminished, that's another question that

553
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:23,440
that I still haven't really
found an answer to.

554
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,880
Um but if we could get a cost on that,
Brandon, that would be great.

555
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,600
» Okay, yeah, no problem. I mean, you guys
you guys have

556
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:37,320
» So, just also what I'm hearing from you
is the the idea of reducing the scope of

557
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:43,200
the pool, that is probably
not in the realm of not feasible.

558
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,640
» Yeah, I don't I don't believe making
that consideration would would result in

559
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,880
significant cost savings.
>> Okay.

560
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120
Other questions?

561
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,800
» When would the work on this pool be
started if if we go ahead and with this

562
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,800
project, when would you start this pool
and when do you think your earliest

563
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:15,200
completion date would be?
>> Um so, given the fact that we delayed

564
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:18,800
the award of the project, and if we were
to award the project with the additional

565
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:23,240
scope changes,
uh I believe that they mentioned that

566
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:26,760
they would request an additional 8 weeks
for the scope changes,

567
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,640
and they would probably request an
extension on the delay that we've had

568
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,320
because we've taken I think it's been
about a month now maybe over a month to

569
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,520
award.
So, with the

570
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:42,120
uh initial
uh substantial completion date of

571
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:46,240
Memorial Day Memorial Day 2017,
and the coinciding

572
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,960
uh
you know,

573
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,280
extensions that they would probably ask
for, I think that you're probably

574
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:58,480
looking for at around
maybe August of next year, possibly

575
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,160
September. So, we'd be outside of next
year's window.

576
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:12,720
Again, that's that's just from what I
the conversations I've had with the

577
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,520
contractor. Um
if

578
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,480
they if they had had the ability to get
something done, sooner they would.

579
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:28,760
» I've got one more question for you
gentlemen. Um,

580
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:33,520
is Marcite still the best finish?
Or so if you're talking about a full

581
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,120
uh tearing down all the walls rather
than just making repairs,

582
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:42,040
uh adapted direction, is that still
considered the best finish uh to to use

583
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:46,240
today or should there be alternatives
that should be considered?

584
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:50,440
» Um, we can definitely consider all other
alternatives. I think it's the most one

585
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:55,280
of the most economical options,
especially for public pools.

586
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,000
Um, it's essentially just colored
cement.

587
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Um,
so it it's it's pretty durable.

588
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Um,
and it it looks

589
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,800
I guess relatively well
relatively good. Okay. Um,

590
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:16,320
if you if there's any interest in
exploring any other alternatives that we

591
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,320
can do

592
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,040
» Do we have any questions?

593
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,120
So,
uh

594
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:34,520
I guess we'll wait on that additional
information so we have all the options

595
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,280
in front of us and
can make the

596
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:42,800
decision about options
and where those funds are going to be

597
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,440
coming from.
Um,

598
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,800
so
we can put that

599
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,000
I don't even remember coming.
>> The end of June?

600
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,520
» Our next meeting?
>> Next meeting.

601
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920
» Brandon, is 2 weeks good enough to get
that information or

602
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,040
» 2 weeks is fine.
>> Oh yeah, I I might get it to you by the

603
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,320
end of the week. Um,
so I'll get you the cost of just filling

604
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,840
the pool in
and then I'll separate it out another

605
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,720
cost for new not over top just to see
how much proper maintenance and what

606
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,680
that would cost.
>> Brandon, we're meeting again on

607
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,240
23rd, [clears throat] so just so you
have a date.

608
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,960
» Okay.
>> Send that over. Thank you. Appreciate

609
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,760
that.
Um

610
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,160
Okay.
That's all we have on the pool.

611
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,200
» No, I want to add something about it. We
don't need We don't need

612
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,080
» Okay.
Thank you. We appreciate you joining.

613
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,920
» Thanks, guys. Thanks for letting me call
in.

614
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,920
» Thank you.

615
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:46,600
» All right, Jeremy.
>> Yep. So, a couple of things. One, what

616
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,720
he had mentioned about the concrete.
I do

617
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:53,120
recall
in my youth going to a pool where it did

618
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:57,720
not have the tile sides. It had a
concrete finish, but it was a rough

619
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:02,880
finish. I don't So, I don't know if
that's a smoother concrete or

620
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:08,240
or but I I do recall being in a pool
with a concrete finish, rounded bottom.

621
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:12,720
We'd put our feet up there. It gave you
a grip, you know, if you wanted to kick

622
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:16,440
and kick back or whatever, but
So, if that was

623
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,400
cheaper
or less expensive, I should say,

624
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:26,800
option and had it dyed, then maybe
that's something we should entertain,

625
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:31,080
but um as far as the pool itself, I went
back in my emails to try to find more

626
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:35,240
information. Went all the way back to
2022 where I found information on this

627
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,280
topic. Uh but first, I want to talk
about how

628
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:44,160
this government works, how the city of
Olean government works. Uh we tend to

629
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:48,280
bring a topic, we introduce it, uh
and we find out about project costs.

630
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,920
Then we start to ask questions, we
meaning the council, and then we're told

631
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,840
we'll get the information, we meaning
the city.

632
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Uh weeks, months later, the topic comes
back on the agenda, and then this is

633
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:04,040
where the redundancy begins. We
literally start repeating ourselves and

634
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:07,360
asking the same question and saying the
same thing over and over and over

635
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:10,000
second, third meeting.
Uh

636
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,680
usually responses will come in the day
of, as we had today,

637
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,960
uh
uh or the the day before the meeting,

638
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,800
with no time to analyze and digest
anything. Then these responses or

639
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,480
answers lead to more questions, more
delays, more postpone, like we are now

640
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,600
with this pool.
Uh project has been delayed for a lack

641
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:33,440
of response or counselors being
pressured to action, or we get blamed

642
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,960
for inaction.
Uh the city doesn't like the response of

643
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:42,960
the council, and then there's more
delays, or we're slow moving to bid, or

644
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:48,320
we're lack of response to the questions,
uh excuses uh for delays on the council

645
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:53,480
requests, and so on and so on and so on.
We get the gist, but I want the public

646
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:57,880
to hear this because this has happened
with almost every project since I've

647
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:02,120
been on this council. And it's one of
the things that actually I found an

648
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,600
email from 2022, where I was complaining
about that very thing.

649
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,280
Uh
so, proof is in.

650
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,880
Uh some of the committee agendas, if you
look at them, we're littered with some

651
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,200
of the unfinished business uh of things
that are coming back and forth over and

652
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,920
over and over.
Uh so, I want to pivot

653
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,640
because uh most recent article in The
Olympian Star,

654
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:27,240
uh where information was presented to
the public or to The Olympian Star,

655
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:33,920
uh granted, I don't know if they reached
out to the city or if the city reached

656
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:38,720
out to them, but the fact is is that
uh information was presented to an

657
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:44,320
outside source, and here the council had
received zero information whatsoever. Uh

658
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:49,760
there was I've learned more in this
piece right here than I knew of what was

659
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,840
coming up for our agenda, and I came
here

660
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,600
uh
Thursday, Friday to meet with the uh

661
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,000
council clerk to discuss this week's
agendas. So, haven't heard anything

662
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,600
about it.
Uh I think that's uh just just straight

663
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:09,440
wrong.
We should be informed. I'm going to say

664
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:15,240
after 6 months, I've had enough
evaluating and I believe that

665
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:21,800
this administration is worse than the
previous when it comes to communication.

666
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:25,680
We are not receiving information or
we're receiving it at the last minute.

667
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:30,720
We've had numerous
incidents that have popped up

668
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:36,440
since the beginning of year where we
were the last to know and I believe that

669
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:39,240
needs to change. So when we look at this
pool

670
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,800
of
some notes that I wrote down that were

671
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:49,760
mentioned during this previous
presentation or Q&A with Brandon.

672
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:54,560
We're addressing that the city, why
aren't we addressing

673
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,440
the neglect to the pool?
We literally had department heads say

674
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:02,200
that they had x amount of years of
experience, but yet the pool was

675
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,440
uncovered and then there was damage to
the pool.

676
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Why is that? And these are just
rhetorical questions. I'm not looking

677
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,280
for an answer.
And then we had

678
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:21,240
responses to the in the paper
as you read the article, it it seemed

679
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:24,760
that we are in dire we are just in dire
doom and gloom.

680
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:30,000
And I and I asked, how do we get to this
position? How do we get to this point?

681
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:33,440
And since we are in a doom and gloom
why weren't there quotes for removal?

682
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:38,440
Why weren't there potential solutions
provided? Why haven't we mentioned

683
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,800
advertising? We have the funding for
that. Why haven't we mentioned a quote

684
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,240
for downsizing? So these are all the
things that I thought of right off the

685
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,320
top of my head after reading this
article. I thought to myself, well, none

686
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,760
of this other stuff was mentioned. It's
to me

687
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,120
and I
I tell people all the time I I like to

688
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,600
stay in the middle. I don't like have
lean one way or another,

689
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:03,040
but to me,
that's more politics when you start

690
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:07,240
coming with the doom and gloom end of
the world type scenarios, and I don't

691
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:12,280
have patience for that.
Uh so, what I do have patience for,

692
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:17,600
fact, Olean has determined that the pool
is uh something that they want. Uh I did

693
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:21,920
dig up old emails. Uh I read some of
them. I saw where people's concerns

694
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:25,160
were, they wanted to keep the pool. I
saw comments with if you go to my

695
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,920
Facebook,
uh my old new Facebook page, and you go

696
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,160
to search this page, and you type in
pool, you'll see the notes that I wrote

697
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,960
in there on the pool and the comments
that people wrote, but you'll also see

698
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:41,480
where I was against the pool prior to
everyone stating that they wanted to

699
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,440
keep the pool, because I have believed
for the longest that we spend more than

700
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,160
we
uh can bring in.

701
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:53,560
Uh
just to provide a little insight on

702
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:58,840
that. Uh at the time we were told, at
the time, mentioning 2021, 2022, uh we

703
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,960
were told that there was 14 to 15,000
people

704
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:06,720
uh per season,
and the pool also ran Memorial Day to

705
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:09,520
Labor Day. It's Memorial Day to Labor
Day.

706
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:14,600
Uh so, this equates to 14 people per
day, and that was my uh reasoning for

707
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,520
saying, "Hey, we should get rid of this
pool."

708
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:22,680
But again, the people have spoken. They
said, "Hey, we want to keep this pool.

709
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:26,240
We need it. It will go good with uh
uh

710
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:31,800
advertising of the splash pad. So, I'm
on board with that. I pivot. I'm good

711
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:36,080
with that. Uh but options are available
for this pool without any negative

712
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:40,320
narrative whatsoever. Uh I believe that
we should all be able to move forward,

713
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:44,520
come together, find a solution. Uh we do
have uh

714
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:49,120
monies out there available, and we can
always do that, and we always have the

715
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:54,160
option of uh band bomb. Granted, we
don't want to do that, uh but again, we

716
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:58,080
do have other options available. So,
hopefully we can work more efficiently,

717
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,920
try to get this done. We're coming back
to this topic in 2 weeks. Uh, that'll

718
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:07,880
give the council members an opportunity
to see Branding's response, come up with

719
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:10,840
something, and then we can talk during
the committee meetings and have

720
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,040
something more concrete and then put the
onus back on the city to get going so

721
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,120
that we can get something moving. And
then, as Anastasia has already

722
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,960
questioned, we're looking at next year
now, yet another year

723
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:26,440
of waiting for the pool to get done. And
as I said, this started in 2022. So.

724
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,080
» Thank you.
>> Thanks.

725
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,520
» May I have a moment to respond, Marilyn?
It's a point

726
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:37,720
» It's not my committee.
>> Uh,

727
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:42,760
sure. Okay. So, firstly, I did not share
any information ahead of this meeting.

728
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:47,440
Um, any information that was written in
that article was already public

729
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:51,520
knowledge. When I was asked, "Do I know
a number?" I said, "No, I will not be

730
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,920
giving any number. We are going to
present it to the council. That would be

731
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,440
premature. It goes to the council
first."

732
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Um, the reporter is present and I think
that I would not be saying anything but

733
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:09,320
the truth if that wasn't the truth.
So, as far as the article goes and you

734
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:14,000
saying that this administration is worse
than the last in communication, I

735
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:19,960
absolutely disagree with you. I have
given you more than enough information.

736
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:24,680
Actually, at the encouragement of me,
you have in front of you the capital

737
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:30,040
projects in a folder that we update
continuously because I recognize that we

738
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:36,320
all have busy lives and you're not going
to be stopping in the office and asking

739
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:42,440
what the status is. We've provided that
to you. I am trying to finish a project

740
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,880
that was started way before my
administration.

741
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,720
And I think if everyone can
can step back and realize

742
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:55,840
as far as I'm concerned, if you want the
pool, it is your decision. This is the

743
00:51:53,400 --> 00:52:02,160
council's decision. I have moved this
forward in less than 6 months,

744
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:08,640
which this administration has done, and
the past administration allowed it to

745
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:13,320
sit languishing for what, 3 years? So, I
think that there's some fairness that

746
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:19,280
needs to be shown for the fact that not
only did this administration have a a

747
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:24,760
budget that they had to develop,
three contracts negotiated, along with

748
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:29,080
all these unfinished projects that now I
have sitting in my lap.

749
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:34,160
So, I don't really appreciate the fact
that this is being pointed out that I'm

750
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:38,000
stalling or not communicating. I think
I'm doing a very good job in

751
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:42,120
communicating everything that needs to
be communicated, especially about this

752
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,360
pool.
>> Thank you.

753
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,120
» David is in the back.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

754
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,440
» No, the only thing I'd just like to say
is I agree with Vernon. We talked about

755
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,640
this pool for several times throughout
the past administration.

756
00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:00,440
And uh no department heads or nobody has
spoke against the pool while we were

757
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,560
discussing it under the earlier
administration.

758
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:07,240
And as far as the funding goes, yeah,
the costs are a lot longer wait, the

759
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,040
longer costs are going to go up. But I
just want to remind the council, don't

760
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,640
forget
in August or late September, early

761
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:19,960
September, we're going to be getting
$500,000 to TMI funding.

762
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:24,080
And it's a one-time gift from the state,
and this would be a perfect

763
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,640
funding source to use to put towards
this pool.

764
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,760
And it's going to be a great marketing
tool having that pool along with the

765
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,360
splash pad, because that's that's what
we wanted

766
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,120
did to discuss.
And it's the splash pad is smaller than

767
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,800
I thought it was originally going to be,
and if that pool is removed, it's going

768
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:45,520
to look ridiculous over there. So, and
the public wants it at at least the

769
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:49,440
people that I talked to. Some people
call us the common council, who would

770
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:53,840
have cared. But,
the calls I got, people want the pool.

771
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,640
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um so, he did bring up a good

772
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,640
point and you know, I
think I

773
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:07,280
just threw that out there in the past
discussion and I think at some point

774
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,960
um
as we are looking and I'm just doing

775
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:15,880
some rough math here
to to do

776
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:23,280
that reconstruction correctly, we're
looking at 1.5 to 1.6 million with about

777
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:26,160
700 750,000 in grant funding from New
York Swims.

778
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:31,240
Leaving the city portion around
$750,000.

779
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:35,680
Um but, you know, I I think it's
something that I would ask the council

780
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:40,160
members um as
you know, the mayor's doing the best she

781
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,920
can with the amenities projects. She
said, "If we want the pool, it's the

782
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:47,840
council's decision."
So, I guess the decision is what's the

783
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:52,880
appetite of the council to take the
additional $500,000 that we knew we

784
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:57,520
would not include in the budget.
Um and as Alderman Anastasia pointed

785
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,960
out, we could this is a one-time cost
that

786
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:05,400
would serve the benefit of the community
and it would complement the splash park

787
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:09,400
and it would check that box for the next
20 to 30 years.

788
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:13,960
So, I'm I'm actually looking for for
feedback on this.

789
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:19,040
» Yeah, and I think I agree. I think
that's an appropriate use of the funds

790
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:22,360
as a one-time
uh investment that we have to put into

791
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:28,040
the pool.
I mean, I know there's yearly costs and

792
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:32,480
maintenance and but that's expected. And
I know, you know, the mayor said, you

793
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:36,880
know, this is the
the council, you know, pool wants the

794
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:41,160
council wants it, it's the council
decision. And I I think

795
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,360
and I know
this I'm going back to the previous

796
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:47,560
administration. We did make that
decision.

797
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,920
Uh but I think
and just the public knows the council

798
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,720
can only take it so far once we approve
it,

799
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:58,640
you know, it's out of our hands. We're
not the ones doing the construction.

800
00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:02,920
We're not the ones, you know,
controlling the operations or part of

801
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:07,120
the project planning. So,
you know, when we're making these

802
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:11,360
decisions and then it goes into the city
or the administration's hands. So,

803
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,760
Um
Yeah, Jared.

804
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,880
» So,
I still think that, you know, one

805
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:27,280
question that could be asked is the most
economical way to to do the pool. But I

806
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:31,680
would still be open to looking at the
idea of reducing the footprint because

807
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,800
there is future costs.
Uh you know, we received today, I

808
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,840
believe, from something. I guess I had
some questions on like, you know, we got

809
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:42,520
staffing needs, three lifeguards,
obviously we haven't had them. One

810
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,120
recreation attendant, one part-time
cleaner. Well, I thought we were still

811
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,960
staffed with the same numbers of
part-time people at the rec center. So,

812
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:54,800
these aren't really an addition, are
they? Currently there, I guess at the

813
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:58,120
closure of the pool we didn't lose any I
think we even added some in the past

814
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:04,360
couple of years. So, that was just a a
question I had. But regardless of those

815
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:07,360
questions and and whatnot, you know,
you have something to add now, Chris?

816
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,800
» I I I just didn't understand your
question.

817
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,480
» Okay, then just say
>> Please please say it again so I can

818
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,000
answer it for
>> Okay, I'll be glad to.

819
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:18,680
My question is is this thing that you
sent out from on your letterhead

820
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:22,600
stated that we would need three
lifeguards, one recreation attendant,

821
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,120
and one part-time cleaner.
>> Correct.

822
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,640
» And a certified pool operator to to
operate the pool.

823
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,560
» Correct.
>> My question is, aren't those people

824
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,480
already on staff?
>> No.

825
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,800
» Okay, so what we
>> think

826
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,560
» the CPO is on staff.
>> Okay, so

827
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,800
» are not cuz we don't have the lifeguards
and we can't

828
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:43,320
» Okay, let me back up.
So,

829
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:47,120
you had those people on staff in '22 or
whenever the last time the pool was

830
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,520
open, but you still have the same number
of staff. So, what are those people

831
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:56,120
doing now?
>> They've gone on to better jobs.

832
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,720
They're kids. They're lifeguards.
>> All right.

833
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,960
» They they go to college and they come
back.

834
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:03,440
» I'm asking about I'm not asking about
Jimmy Joe that did the job. I'm asking

835
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:08,760
about the position. You don't have a
name here. You said one recreation

836
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:12,080
attendant. That person was already
employed. That position already exists

837
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,960
here.
>> had that position in 3 years because we

838
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,480
haven't had a pool.
You understand that position is not in

839
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,920
this year's budget. The budget that
started 10 days ago or whatever.

840
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,720
» Don't you have the same number of
attendants at the at the rec center

841
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:31,120
right now that you had back then?
>> I don't have any attendants at the rec

842
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:35,760
center right now.
>> You don't have any part-time people?

843
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:39,880
» I don't have any part-time people today.
The part-time people that we're going to

844
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:45,160
be hiring will be for the splash park
when that opens. I have no seasonal

845
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,600
part-time people at the recreation
center since the end of March when the

846
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,640
ice rink closed.
That is the cost that I sent on that

847
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:55,720
email, what it's going to cost to
operate that pool.

848
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:00,800
Based on $20 an hour for the lifeguards,
based upon $16 or probably $17 an hour

849
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,880
for the attendant
at noon to 5, 5 and 1/2 hours a day for

850
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:09,200
a 75-day season.
>> So, right now that rec center is

851
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:12,320
completely staffed by you and John and
or there's no part-time like skate

852
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,280
people or anything?
>> The ice rink's not open.

853
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:19,080
» No
>> When when that season ends, when that

854
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:22,280
season ends, they get laid off. It's a
seasonal position.

855
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:26,360
So, when the pool if the pool were to
open or the splash park were to open,

856
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:30,360
that's when they they hired. When that
season ends, they go bye-bye.

857
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:34,240
» All right, I'm done asking you questions
cuz you clearly got an issue answering

858
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,960
them. I just asked a simple question. If
you want to be arguing about it, then I

859
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,800
can answer it right back.
>> that. You don't like seeing employees.

860
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,080
You don't respect what we do. All I hear
up here is that we neglected the pool.

861
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,720
That's a bunch of lies.
>> of line, Mr. Shirah.

862
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,280
» You're out of line. You're out of line.
>> I'm not I'm not out of line. I'm a

863
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,200
elected official of the town of Canton
meeting.

864
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,680
» You don't like it. You don't like it.
>> Chris

865
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,120
» Goodbye.
Goodbye.

866
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,120
» Thank you.

867
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:02,040
» So
>> So, my question was is it at that

868
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,760
additional cost cuz I thought they were
already there. So, that was the question

869
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,360
why I had this question on the document
that was received at like 10:00 this

870
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,360
morning.
>> Okay.

871
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:15,360
» So, that was part of the question. I
still would like to entertain the idea

872
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,120
of reducing the footprint. So, when we
talk about somebody wants to get upset

873
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,600
about something, we talk about patching
concrete deck. I've never thought that

874
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:25,320
it was a good idea and I think I've said
this a few years ago that now we have

875
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:30,120
the concrete deck issue, but we have
every day. So, it's not disrespectful.

876
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:33,720
I'm asking you, why would we park a I
think I asked it with those here. Why

877
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:38,600
are we parking a vehicle on a 4-in
concrete deck that now we're saying is

878
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:42,080
bad? Every night, we park a vehicle
a 6,000-lb vehicle. I was an engineer

879
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,160
right there, Jim. I don't know if you
think that's the best idea. I mean, I I

880
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,480
don't. I don't I don't need you to
answer. I'm just saying. I asked that

881
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,400
question and you possibly have a vehicle
that's leaking oil and gas directly on

882
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,200
top of your pool.
So, sometimes when somebody asks a

883
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,680
question about, "Hey, something could be
done." It's not about disrespect. It's

884
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,760
just saying, "Hey, is that the smartest
thing?"

885
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:06,077
That it's not built for that. So,
people can get upset when the council

886
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,280
has to ask questions. Sometimes they're
[clears throat] asking questions based

887
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:13,520
on the finances that go along with it.
So, yes, I'm in favor of the pool. John,

888
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:17,440
you asked your question. I would gladly
have spent $500,000 to that end, but I

889
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:22,760
would still look at reducing the
footprint for future because possibly,

890
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:26,320
and you're right, Vernon, you you quoted
email that made people upset.

891
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,200
You could extend that with, you know,
they do heat pools. I don't know what

892
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,120
the cost is, but you could look at that
to extend that. And yes, I do believe

893
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,800
that we should be looking at marketing
that with the splash park.

894
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,800
And to the local
uh recreation departments to get them to

895
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:45,160
come. I asked the question before, what
are all the buses in the summer months

896
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:49,680
doing down there if there's nobody ever
using the pool? When the pool was open,

897
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:53,240
you saw school buses that said Port
Byron and stuff and whatever else. But

898
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:58,000
what were they doing? They were down
there utilizing the pool. And then maybe

899
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,560
we should do that more often because now
you can bring the whole family because

900
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,240
of the
older kids pool, younger kids splash

901
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,480
park. We had said that a while ago.
>> It's fine.

902
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:17,640
At this point in time, you guys
Right. I I just was going to say that

903
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:23,160
encapsulating it what I think between um
Alderman Bynum's and um Chris's

904
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:27,720
is that those positions that they sent
us. And here it goes to the issue of

905
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:31,480
getting information the day before the
day of, which is I think one of the

906
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:35,320
things that we struggle with. I mean, I
had a little extra time today because I

907
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,120
was I was up in the pavilion instead of
working.

908
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:43,520
So I could look at some things, but I I
think that that's where we struggle is

909
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:48,640
getting things the day before the day
of, trying to digest them. You don't

910
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:53,400
have time to send out um questions ahead
of time to say like, "Oh, do we have

911
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:58,480
those positions here?" And and I think
that that that's been a long-standing

912
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:03,800
issue that that we just need to continue
to work on to to correct because now if

913
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:08,040
I get what Chris is saying is that
the three lifeguards, obviously we know

914
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:12,920
they're not there. The one recreational
attendant and the part-time cleaner is

915
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:17,560
not there, but the CPO,
I think he said is is on staff.

916
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:21,480
So and
so I don't know what the CPO does if

917
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,000
they operate the pool staff.
>> pool operator.

918
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,080
» Right. So they're still there.
>> I believe it's him.

919
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,840
» Oh, okay.
>> I believe he's

920
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,680
» Okay.
>> certified pool operator. He said it in a

921
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,360
previous meeting.
>> Okay.

922
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,400
» You can ask him.
>> That's what we kind of gathered is that

923
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:41,120
the CPO was on staff and the others
aren't if I understand correctly.

924
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,600
» But we'll be hired back when this splash
pad opens.

925
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:51,080
» So I did want to add to this because I
was curious about those positions as

926
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:54,680
well and if they are not here, they're
not in the budget, then there should

927
01:03:53,240 --> 01:04:00,800
have been a drop
uh between '22 and '23 in the budget.

928
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:05,880
So that's something that maybe we could
go back and revisit and see if that

929
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:10,920
funding was removed or if that funding
stayed miraculously and paid for other

930
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,640
things as
we know has commonly happened in the

931
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:18,800
past.
Uh and then something else I did not

932
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:24,840
mention previously that I see in my
notes is that back in 2022, May 2022,

933
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:30,120
the email that I came across it said
that the operational cost of the pool at

934
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:34,200
the time were 50 to 60,000 and as you
see there's a little bit of a

935
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:38,000
increase here.
Uh

936
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:42,884
doesn't coincide with the increase that
we've seen with other things, but it

937
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:45,400
does say 57,000 60,000 here
>> [clears throat]

938
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,360
» uh for
uh for current projected costs for the

939
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:54,200
pool.
Granted, I think that's

940
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,120
part of the that that's part of what's
needed for the pool. It's plain and

941
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:01,320
simple,
get the pool and those numbers get

942
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:06,320
worked into the budget and then we have
those things for the for the pool. I

943
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,200
know the issue that Buffalo that Buffalo
has is something that Buffalo has had

944
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:15,040
and some of the other major cities have
had is obtaining lifeguards. And to me

945
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:19,080
one of the biggest issues with trying to
obtain a lifeguard is you're talking

946
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:23,440
about paying someone 15 bucks an hour
when you can [clears throat] go to

947
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:28,000
McDonald's and work and make much more
and have more hours. So, I mean, I guess

948
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:31,160
it all depends on your cup of tea and
what you're interested in doing. If you

949
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:35,320
want to volunteer a summer cuz you're
basically volunteering at that type of

950
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,800
uh salary and getting a certification
and working with kids and children and

951
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:42,680
so forth
or going to work at some type of

952
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:46,160
customer service or something like that.
So,

953
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:50,840
but I think that was all I wanted to
mention. Then, we were presented an

954
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:54,880
email on the pool hours.
Well, we didn't get the hours, but the

955
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:58,600
Olean
school

956
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:03,080
offers
free public swim

957
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:07,120
twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays.
And, I did have that information. My

958
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:10,960
wife provided it to me. She's an Olean
school teacher.

959
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:15,080
But, that is not
that is not a substitute. I think that

960
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:19,280
should be in addition to.
I believe the city should have a pool.

961
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,680
That's it.
>> All right.

962
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:25,680
That is my question. I wanted to know
was this being offered as a substitute

963
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:29,120
or information to the public, which is
valuable information. And, if you have

964
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,160
the times, I'd appreciate that.
>> And, Jen, I just question that goes

965
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Guy had a question.
Does that go all summer?

966
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,080
» I
>> It does go all summer.

967
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,400
» I will find it. I have the
>> Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah.

968
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,240
» Is it twice a week?
>> In the summer, too? Oh, okay. I didn't

969
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,880
know it was Saturday.
>> All year. All year.

970
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:51,640
» Well, I just figured it was the summer
just with people being out of work.

971
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:55,600
» Yeah.
Um all right. So, yes.

972
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,040
» Are you going to wrap it up?
>> I was.

973
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:00,480
» You can wrap it up.
>> Oh, I I had one more thing because of

974
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,240
the grammar school background and I'm
sorry for this guy.

975
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:08,160
» Um
again, if we are I I the ultimate goal

976
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:14,720
really for all of us is to try to
problem solve this and to

977
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:18,240
to try to come to an agreement.
What will best serve our citizens

978
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:23,280
without
stressing our financial the financial

979
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:28,200
burden associated with the renovation.
And some options have been put out here

980
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:32,440
tonight.
I've got it down to needing $250,000

981
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:38,800
of which
Cattaraugus County has always expressed

982
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:43,440
interest in in helping Olean.
Maybe I don't want to hear a time time

983
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:46,680
frame with a variety of major projects
that serve people that just don't live

984
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,720
in Olean.
So I don't know of any major municipal

985
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,640
pools
in the county.

986
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:58,280
Maybe there's something south of here
perhaps, but certainly around around

987
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:01,720
this area. It's fairly limited, right?
So

988
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,160
corporate sponsors.
There's a number of businesses that

989
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,640
we've talked about in the past. There
are a number of ways that

990
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:14,200
I wish that this is what we were all
working to is is trying to come up with

991
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:17,760
a solution on how
to pay for this. And

992
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:22,960
hopefully that's something we can work
on over the next month or two.

993
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:31,480
» Just add the John R. Oishei grants which
are available. If you look at the

994
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:36,040
project early enough, you might be able
to get one of those cuz that's exactly

995
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,040
what they're looking for.

996
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:44,279
» So I was just going to say I was
one of the few who were

997
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:50,359
not in favor of the pool.
And we talked about you know, where this

998
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:54,359
is where compromise comes in in in terms
of what we were looking at the splash

999
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:58,920
park and we were looking at
um

1000
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:05,640
the overall project in building it
almost into you know, like a

1001
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:10,680
a complex, so to speak, right?
Um as I looked at Listen, nobody is more

1002
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:13,720
enthusiastic except for maybe John about
this splash park and and getting that

1003
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:17,880
project done.
Um

1004
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:23,600
is that it became aware I became aware
that, you know, we're probably talking

1005
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:28,200
12 and under for given the size of the
the things and

1006
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:33,480
that if we do have a family that I've
come to appreciate

1007
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:39,359
that having a
a complex would be family-friendly, not

1008
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:43,080
just for our residents, but residents
outside of the community.

1009
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:46,400
However, having said that, we still need
to make sure that we are fiscally

1010
01:09:44,839 --> 01:09:52,160
responsible
um and good stewards of the dollars that

1011
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:58,480
we have within the the city and
and the cost attached, hence my question

1012
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:02,600
around what is the cost if we don't go
forward because I think that we need to

1013
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:06,600
have that information
to be able to make a good fiscal

1014
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:11,840
decision about
about that. So, that's kind of where I'm

1015
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:16,640
coming from. Um cuz I know I was not one
that was in favor of the pool, but

1016
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:20,160
in looking at compromise and in trying
to get projects through,

1017
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:24,160
I I think that's where we all try to
come from at this point. And

1018
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:31,240
that questions are not meant to be
um

1019
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:36,240
inquisitions,
but rather to get the information we

1020
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:41,080
need to be able to make
the decisions that that do affect our

1021
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:45,360
residents and affect the city, not just
for now,

1022
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:50,560
but long past everybody except Dave, who
will be on forever.

1023
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:54,680
Right? It passes at 17 years, but but
right? So, the next council has to live

1024
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:59,960
with this, the next people, whoever that
is, has to live with these decisions. so

1025
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,960
I'm really mindful of that.

1026
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:05,960
» Well, thank you for everyone's comments
and

1027
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:11,160
you know, there's other verifications
that you need, you know, I'm sure we can

1028
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:15,520
send them via email to ask that.
Um we'll wait on the information from

1029
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:21,160
CPL and hopefully we'll get that in a
timely manner before our next meeting on

1030
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:27,160
the 23rd, so we have time to review that
prior cuz I know at least for myself it

1031
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:31,240
takes a while to I'm not a
construction person, so just kind of

1032
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:35,400
reading all that information and being
able to digest it would be helpful.

1033
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:42,360
Um okay.
So, let's move on to the next um

1034
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:49,200
piece of unfinished business was which
uh was PL 4726 to designate admission

1035
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:52,840
fee for the splash park to be $5.
And then PL reads for 2 hours,

1036
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,240
uh
but there was discussion to be per

1037
01:11:54,480 --> 01:12:00,160
session
to be changed to per session that was in

1038
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:03,840
the in the conversation, so do we want
to talk to that?

1039
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:07,600
» So, I was just suggesting it and I kind
of had to shut that up quickly so that

1040
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:13,160
we don't tie
the hands of of like the park

1041
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:16,880
of Chris with that stuff that because
that may adjust or change over time,

1042
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:22,880
too.
Um so, we did meet briefly and honestly

1043
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:28,280
this has been John driving the the bus
on this and and I appreciate that but I

1044
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:33,080
do think you know, we we do projects
that are for our city residents and we

1045
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:36,480
do projects that benefit not just the
city residents, but the splash park is

1046
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:40,360
one that will bring people into the
city. They will spend money in in our

1047
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:45,760
restaurants, they will spend money in
our stores. So, you know, as we look at

1048
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:50,200
that. So, we looked at it cuz I know the
the concern can come up what about you

1049
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:56,360
know, how are we making it feasible? We
really need to make sure that we we pay,

1050
01:12:53,160 --> 01:13:03,120
right? And that we are hopefully
um

1051
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:06,160
balancing out the the cost. So, $5
per session.

1052
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:11,920
But with the caveat that we will look
into other things, um corporate

1053
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:17,400
sponsorships, um local agencies that may
have um individuals that are un-

1054
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:21,880
under-served or individuals who who have
some lack of financial resources to be

1055
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:27,600
able to sponsor, whether it's
um a block of tickets or a um

1056
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:34,000
block of um
a block of time so that individuals um

1057
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:37,400
we also would like to look at, you know,
inviting, [clears throat] you know, how

1058
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:41,440
do we invite um city of Raleigh
residents first to be able to come and

1059
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,520
um
participate in it. So,

1060
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,200
I think we've we've heard the concerns
about um we want to make sure that

1061
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:54,280
everybody can enjoy it. And I know that
Alderman Robinson has brought that up,

1062
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:59,400
and that's near and dear to um I think
all of our hearts. So,

1063
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:03,000
I think we can do that at $5 um
per person per session.

1064
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:07,640
And um
the details to be worked out by um the

1065
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:12,760
director. I see you looking really
skeptical there, but I I have promised

1066
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:17,400
that I will myself go out and see what
we can do for for corporate sponsors and

1067
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:22,360
for agencies that that serve that
population to make sure that that

1068
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:27,680
everyone can enjoy it.
>> Yeah, so uh just as a follow-up to that,

1069
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:33,080
so the uh request was to go to uh per
session basis uh because initially uh

1070
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:38,320
tentatively we're told
at least what we're being told is this

1071
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:42,800
is mid-July at this point. Um
there's that's a big tentative, right?

1072
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:48,000
Uh we are waiting on public parts for
Vortex.

1073
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:53,160
Um and and then uh firing up with vortex
present um

1074
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:57,200
but with that being said
for sure Marie and the mayor would like

1075
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,920
some flexibility.
Is it 2 hours? Is it 2 and 1/2 hours? At

1076
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:04,240
least for this
first

1077
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:09,440
year I guess for the remainder of the
summer as a

1078
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:13,680
learning process. Is it 3 hour session?
And so rather than just lock it into 2

1079
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:18,640
hours they they wanted that that asked
for that flexibility. So

1080
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:24,240
um I'll make a motion to amend this.
Additionally we had a pretty lengthy

1081
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,240
discussion about

1082
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:32,400
again learning when low occupancy occurs
and then offering

1083
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:37,720
you know half price days.
If Tuesdays are slow, Thursdays are

1084
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:41,520
slow, right? Just using business 101 to
be able to offer discounts throughout

1085
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:47,160
the course of the summer
to

1086
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:52,560
incentivize usage of the facility.
And also to give families that

1087
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:57,480
might have multiple children that $5 a
piece is is too much. As a comparison

1088
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:02,920
sake
cost $7 to go ice skating, right? So

1089
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:06,840
something that our ice skating rink
which I believe

1090
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:11,000
in the meeting told us generated almost
$300,000 worth of revenue this past

1091
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:15,760
year.
It pays for itself, right? It more than

1092
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:18,360
does that. And at the end of the day
you've got to

1093
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:21,680
find a balance.
You don't want to price yourself out.

1094
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:26,880
You don't want to overprice your your
residents, those that use it. But at the

1095
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:31,280
same time you can't do a dollar a piece.
So you got to find that happy medium and

1096
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:36,360
then look for alternative ways to offer
affordable fun

1097
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:41,360
in the summer time. Additionally
at least for the foreseeable future

1098
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:44,800
branch out is still open and available
and is a low cost. I don't even know if

1099
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:48,840
we charge for that or not.
Um Um, so that is still

1100
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,880
a low-cost option that is is available
today. So,

1101
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:57,560
these are things that we've taken into
consideration and and I think

1102
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:02,240
I think the only way you can learn is to
to do it and to to have that experience

1103
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:06,600
for a month and a half, 2 months, you
know, hopefully half of July, August and

1104
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:11,320
then in the September we can learn a lot
from that and then roll things out such

1105
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:15,200
as online ticket sales or online
reservation systems, things like that

1106
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:21,080
going going forward.
Um, so at this time, hey Tiffany, do we

1107
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:23,920
need to suspend the rules to change PL?
>> Uh, no, you just need a motion.

1108
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:30,320
» Okay.
Um, so at this time I would like to make

1109
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:35,520
a motion to amend PL 47-26
uh, to say uh, to designate the

1110
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:42,240
admission fee for the splash park to be
$5 for one session.

1111
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:47,520
Okay? Per per person.
And then additionally, uh, two and under

1112
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:49,880
free.
So,

1113
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:57,160
two or under, you're free. So.
>> Okay. Can I get a second?

1114
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,880
» Second.
>> By it.

1115
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,720
» Um,
all those in favor?

1116
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:07,120
» Of the amendment.
>> Of the amendment. Not of the PL, but

1117
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,520
just of the amendment of the PL.
I.

1118
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,600
» I.
>> The vote is

1119
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:16,240
I.
So, I just want to add also I also agree

1120
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:21,600
with the flexibility. It can't be free.
Um,

1121
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:26,800
and we don't know what we don't know and
so there has to be some flexibility and

1122
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:30,880
I think this does a great job in the
winter season. You know, there's people

1123
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:35,920
who, you know, pay to go ice skating and
pay for rentals and then there's

1124
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:40,240
opportunities for free skating um, those
times when kids are off school and

1125
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:45,000
holidays and so I think there is a
really good balance but again we don't

1126
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:49,680
know we don't know
who our market's going to be is it going

1127
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:54,320
to be all little little ones is it going
to be full on families I mean we just we

1128
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:58,200
don't have any data for that right now
and so

1129
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:03,600
I think this provides a really good
starting point and then knowing that

1130
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:08,920
that will be evolving as the next season
comes about.

1131
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:13,240
So that's just my two cents. Yeah, okay.
>> Uh, while I am in favor with the

1132
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:17,440
changing it to the one session and uh,
two and under for free I'm still not in

1133
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:20,600
favor of the $5 uh,
period. Uh,

1134
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:24,520
numerous reasons uh, that I've stated
previously but uh, I I and I know it was

1135
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:29,600
been mentioned that we're going to look
for other avenues and uh, vouchers you

1136
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,880
know, some type of packages stuff like
that but until I see that that's what I

1137
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:37,840
want to see uh, then I'm going to be a
no until that part is done.

1138
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:47,040
» So here's what I said I appreciate it I
I don't think we can know that though

1139
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:49,880
until we we have some structure in place
and then um,

1140
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:53,120
you know
Listen I think Chris is going to do a

1141
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:56,920
bang up job of this just like he does
with with the

1142
01:19:54,520 --> 01:20:02,320
with the skate park. Um,
but I don't think we'll know that piece

1143
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:08,040
until we're actually into it but
more than happy to do my part in terms

1144
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:11,360
of corporate sponsors and and go out and
utilize you know, our resources I said

1145
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:15,200
you know, that's where something is our
ultimate goal is to be out there.

1146
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:19,640
And we may find some individuals who are
willing to sponsor and stuff and and

1147
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:22,480
John had a great suggestion I thought
which is kind of like the 12

1148
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:26,640
um,
days of skating in the in the summer

1149
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:32,360
over Christmas.
Maybe we can get corporate sponsors to

1150
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:32,360
do like the 12 days of

1151
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:39,880
Black Friday yeah,
right? So I think that we can be very

1152
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:44,240
creative and I think that as always
our parks and rec have used the rec have

1153
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:48,960
been creative in that and we can do our
part then as all of them to all of us.

1154
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:54,200
» I'll make a motion.
>> I'll second.

1155
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,080
» Okay, so I'm I'm sorry. I just need to
know cuz are we voting to move this to

1156
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,200
like
>> Resolution. Yeah, resolution.

1157
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:06,040
» Okay.
Okay, so John makes a motion.

1158
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:09,960
» I'll second.
>> Uh I'll second.

1159
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,280
All those in favor? All right. Any
opposed?

1160
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:16,880
» Here.
>> One opposed.

1161
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:21,000
» It would be all of them wrong.
>> Just Robin and I.

1162
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:24,160
» Okay.
So,

1163
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,800
uh then that will go on our next
uh regular meeting. Correct?

1164
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,680
Okay.
>> On the

1165
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,040
13th. Okay.
>> Good.

1166
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:35,240
» Yes.
>> As you're talking about just completing

1167
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:40,440
that, I had a question. I'm not sure if
I got it answered, but

1168
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:43,080
um Jim, what is
as you're completing the splash park

1169
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:48,880
thing,
who's responsible for the damage to the

1170
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:55,000
sidewalk
from the parking lot that led into where

1171
01:21:50,840 --> 01:22:00,320
all the workers parked vehicles and
broke the sidewalk and ruined the

1172
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,680
the tops of all that?
>> I would personally I'm I would be

1173
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:07,960
putting that on the punch list for the
contractor.

1174
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:12,000
» Okay. I just just an aspect cuz there's
quite a bit of sidewalk damage because

1175
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:15,240
we were re-routed to park in the parking
lot

1176
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:19,280
and walk there.
>> Yep.

1177
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:22,200
I mean, obviously for the vehicles
moving materials and whatnot.

1178
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:26,160
» I wasn't even talking about that. I was
talking about that. I was talking about

1179
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:31,640
» I I agree with you. They
It's turned it into a parking

1180
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:36,320
and we need to inspect that and
discuss that with them for the final

1181
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,320
functions.

1182
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:43,760
» Thank you.
Um okay. No

1183
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:47,640
uh new referrals for consideration. No
committee reports. So, we can push into

1184
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:50,320
adjournment. Can I get a second?
Thank you.

1185
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,640
Uh all in favor?
>> Aye.

1186
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,640
» Great.

1187
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,000
All right. No opposed.

1188
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:03,000
» Oh goodness.
I'll make a motion I'm sorry. I'll

1189
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:07,520
call the order of public safety
committee for uh Tuesday, June 9th. Uh

1190
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,240
let the record show all all the persons
are present. I'll make a motion to

1191
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,400
approve the minutes. Can I get a second?
>> Second.

1192
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,320
» Seconded by Anastasia. All in favor?
Aye. Opposed?

1193
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:21,960
Uh first on the agenda, unfinished
business, [clears throat]

1194
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:26,000
uh North Union Street lighting.
Uh I'm assuming this will move to uh DPW

1195
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:31,720
director.
>> Yes. So, following the input we got on

1196
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:35,760
my uh first test head that we had up,
our electrician has been working with

1197
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:41,000
this uh second vendor
um and

1198
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:47,000
um in particular talking about the light
spread that could be achieved with an

1199
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:52,080
LED board actually designed for our
situation.

1200
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:55,440
Um that vendor has not yet provided uh a
test head for us to install, but they

1201
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:58,160
gave us
still working on that.

1202
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:07,400
» Oh.
Any questions or comments or anything?

1203
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:14,080
Just for the record, this is a another
example of what I was talking about

1204
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:19,040
earlier.
If we just keep going and keep going and

1205
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,920
keep going, but that's just my personal
uh

1206
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:24,800
thing here.
Uh

1207
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:28,440
Tiffany, can we so
breakfast break

1208
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:31,160
about how much time you think we need
a month, 2 weeks,

1209
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:35,240
2 months?
>> month to begin with.

1210
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:38,120
Actually, I meet with Dave tomorrow.
Okay.

1211
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:42,440
I can communicate with Tiffany directly
if he's got something

1212
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:45,320
um more current and put it on in 2
weeks. Okay.

1213
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:50,480
Okay.
All right, so we will push this out for

1214
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:53,760
a month to receive an update on this and
the second vendor and the potential

1215
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:57,280
lighting there.
So, 1 month 4 months.

1216
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:05,040
All right, moving on to school zone
changes.

1217
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:09,720
I believe this was brought upon for
numerous reasons to include safety

1218
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:13,760
issues around
that

1219
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:17,520
school property area. I guess I'll say
to stay broad.

1220
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,160
I don't know if you want to believe or
maybe the city.

1221
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,920
» So,
I can tell you what we did and then they

1222
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:27,920
can fill in. So, we actually kind of had
a

1223
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:31,080
very productive meeting with um
Jeff and Diana from the school, mayor,

1224
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,960
and
Jim was there and

1225
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,000
» Dan Kolaski.
>> Yes, thank you.

1226
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,040
» Oh, and
>> Dan Kolaski.

1227
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:43,520
» Yes, thank you.
Um and and that's very important too

1228
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:47,640
because they're there every day and so
getting their feedback because they see

1229
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:52,000
the students, they see the parents drive
up and just drop kids in the middle of

1230
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:55,480
the street any and everywhere. Um we've
had some residents who have had some

1231
01:25:53,480 --> 01:26:00,600
concerns about being able to get out of
their driveways. So, basically instead

1232
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:03,760
of saying like, "Hey, we're just going
to look at this piece." We said, "Let's

1233
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:08,120
look at the whole complex." And we ended
up extending it down to the middle

1234
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:12,040
school so because
uh I forgot. I looked it up but it was

1235
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:17,080
what was it? Within 1,200 ft or
something that you can look at it and be

1236
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:22,040
able to see. So, we do have school zone
um speed limit signs up there, but I

1237
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:26,240
think much like anything else
not everybody even recognizes they're

1238
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:31,280
there. So, that was one thing.
Um the mayor had a great suggestion,

1239
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:34,840
which was to designate a a drop-off
zone.

1240
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:39,440
Um we looked at what might be feasible
because as you know

1241
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:44,160
it is just a madhouse, particularly
around the high school, and it is not

1242
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:48,040
safe. I That is the driving force. It is
not safe for residents who are going

1243
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:53,320
down there at any point in time during
that the drop-off particularly drop-off

1244
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:58,200
and pick-up time, and it's not safe for
uh the students. And then as you go back

1245
01:26:55,120 --> 01:27:03,440
around Reed Street and up Third Street,
um it is

1246
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:07,880
it is very narrow, and two cars cannot
fit there with the parking as it is.

1247
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:11,600
Um
so,

1248
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:15,080
I think that we, you know, I I
I'll let them if they want to go into

1249
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,360
more specifics
because there's always going to be

1250
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:23,080
somebody who's not going to be happy,
but right now it's kind of fact-finding

1251
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:27,480
to look in and and see what is going to
make the most sense for the residents,

1252
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:31,240
for the safety of the students.
Um but first and foremost, we have to

1253
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:34,720
look at it at safety and the safety and
security of the the students. And I want

1254
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:38,160
to say that
I don't think there was anything put on

1255
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:42,600
the table by by the city that the school
wasn't receptive to. So, that was that

1256
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:46,120
was very nice. So, for my part, I
thought it was an incredibly productive

1257
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:50,360
meeting.
So, this is you guys

1258
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:54,400
what we need to do.
>> I can do that.

1259
01:27:52,520 --> 01:28:00,120
So, unfortunately I don't know if Jerry
can we kill those lights?

1260
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,120
» Hey, do you have a clicker?

1261
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:17,120
» Sorry, I didn't get close enough. Sorry.
I can get a

1262
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:21,120
diagram
Okay.

1263
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,720
The last diagram is the last better.
Thanks, John.

1264
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:31,680
Um so, first
traffic direction

1265
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:36,320
um proposal is to make North First
Street one-way going north.

1266
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:39,720
And then Reed Street will be one-way
going east.

1267
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:44,560
And Third Street one-way coming back
south to West Sullivan.

1268
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,880
So, we have one-way loop around the high
school

1269
01:28:45,866 --> 01:28:49,040
» [clears throat]
>> um building.

1270
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:54,200
Um
Over here on North First Street the

1271
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:58,880
parking on the east side of the street
would be um eliminated. That would

1272
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:04,560
become
a drop-off space

1273
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:09,960
for parents dropping students at school
and the school bus drop-off space, which

1274
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:14,080
I think it is now the school bus
drop-off space, and it would just

1275
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:17,800
continue to be that.
Um

1276
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:22,560
so, that's that's the big change there
in terms of traffic direction and

1277
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:26,240
traffic flow.
Um

1278
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:30,200
what this uh drawing shows you is this
this yellow line is the school district

1279
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:34,680
properties.
Um

1280
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:40,040
not the proposed school zone, which I
think still needs

1281
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:43,200
to be discussed and thought about some.
Um

1282
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:48,200
you know, like particularly over here on
North First Street, my initial thought

1283
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:52,080
was to start here at First and West
Sullivan,

1284
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:55,560
but when you look at it, when I was
looking at it today,

1285
01:29:54,240 --> 01:30:00,920
I think
that's overly aggressive because of

1286
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:05,560
Excuse me.
If you're northbound on

1287
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:11,280
North First Street
right in here, and you all of a sudden

1288
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:14,880
see a school zone sign and a school zone
um speed limit.

1289
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:20,880
You look around,
you can't see a school anything

1290
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:26,520
anywhere. So, I think getting compliance
with the school zone over here is going

1291
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:30,640
to be very difficult, and
we don't want to establish a zone that

1292
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:35,000
everybody's just going to ignore.
Um so, you know, over here, I think if

1293
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:40,800
we're going to do a school zone, we have
to make it very rec-

1294
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:47,760
uh re- globalize right along the edge of
the tennis court complex.

1295
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:53,920
Um this is an existing school zone sign.
This is an existing school zone sign.

1296
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:59,640
You know, I think this is one that
um has been discussed that is, you know,

1297
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:04,640
it's really too close to the school. We
need to back that up probably by a full

1298
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:07,480
block, so we have some warning
for the

1299
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:11,932
um motorists, and we can get their
speeds down before they're actually in

1300
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:15,360
the area of the school.
>> [clears throat]

1301
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:19,760
» Um and and probably that's more what we
need to be doing on North First Street.

1302
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:24,640
Um
same thing up here on Wayne Street.

1303
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:31,320
Uh
I have to confess I can't read that.

1304
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:35,960
Um these are school crossing signs, I
believe, and this is those uh school

1305
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:40,080
speed limit sign.
Um again, we would probably back them up

1306
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:45,680
a little bit, so we have a little more
space on Wayne Street for the motorists

1307
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:48,960
to slow down and get down to the school
zone speed limit.

1308
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:52,200
Um
this has been an area of a lot of

1309
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:55,880
conversation. This is North Seventh
Street.

1310
01:31:53,400 --> 01:32:01,400
Um particularly here at North Seventh
and Reed. Um

1311
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:07,640
Dave Crandall, our engineer, has shown
on here in new crosswalks

1312
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:14,240
and he's proposing uh rectangular rapid
flashing beacons for those crosswalks.

1313
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:19,720
Um cuz they are essentially mid-block
crossings even though they are at the

1314
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,720
end of of Reed Street.

1315
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:28,320
And this is the area that Alden Rue
property spoke about

1316
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:32,160
where the parking is essentially across
the existing parking is essentially

1317
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:35,520
across the sidewalk.
Um

1318
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:39,200
so for a pedestrian path from Wayne
Street down 7th

1319
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:42,280
wherever you're going whether to the
school or anywhere else

1320
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:46,360
uh
that path is interrupted right in here.

1321
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:52,560
Um
I did have a conversation today with

1322
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:56,240
um code enforcement group.
Uh there is apparently some work going

1323
01:32:54,360 --> 01:33:00,440
on on the site um
right now.

1324
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:06,160
So they're going to look into
uh what that work may

1325
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:08,760
imply for this parking and I also asked
them about this part of the building

1326
01:33:07,214 --> 01:33:15,360
[clears throat]
which looks to me like it's an addition.

1327
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:19,200
And if the parking adjoining it was any
part of the approval of that building

1328
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:23,680
addition
whenever that happened. Um so they're

1329
01:33:21,480 --> 01:33:29,480
going to dig into their records
and see if something from that building

1330
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:33,720
going up can enlighten us about
what here was approved in the past for

1331
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:36,160
that parking or if that parking just
occurred.

1332
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,680
So for the overall school zone

1333
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:51,240
you know, my initial thought was like go
big or go home, right?

1334
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:54,640
And I think looking at it in more detail
then we're asking for establishing a

1335
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,480
school zone where people aren't going to
comply with it.

1336
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:01,000
So I think we need to pull it in a
little bit

1337
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:05,840
and
you know, look at sort of all the

1338
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:10,800
all the corners independently.
Um so, we'll adjust some signage or we

1339
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,240
would propose to adjust some signage on
West Second Street,

1340
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:18,040
add some signage on North Seventh
Street,

1341
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:22,560
adjust signage on Wayne Street, and
probably add signage over here on First

1342
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:26,160
Street.
Um

1343
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:31,320
and then working with the school,
actually all of this area is just going

1344
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:37,160
to be in the school zone.
>> Jim, didn't we talk a little about

1345
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:40,600
extending that though all the way to um
Wayne Street from Yeah.

1346
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:44,360
» This area, yep.
>> Right, so that that would then it be

1347
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,720
encapsulated within that yellow line.
>> Yeah.

1348
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,960
» Okay.
>> So, I I think

1349
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:52,480
I think this is this is an area where I
need to really

1350
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:56,560
um
you know, work with our attorney or work

1351
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:59,800
with the school zone
uh

1352
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:03,400
or with the school district
um

1353
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:07,560
to make sure I get the definition of the
school zone correct

1354
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:12,880
cuz I think we can, you know, like draw
the school zone around the perimeter,

1355
01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:17,960
but then put our signage where it makes
more sense, where we'll get more

1356
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:21,080
compliance from the traveling public.
>> Cuz theoretically there should be a

1357
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:26,440
sidewalk there.
>> Right. There should be a sidewalk all

1358
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,440
the way up this side.

1359
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,960
So,
um

1360
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:34,440
and you know, the school district was
was

1361
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:38,880
as was said, is was on board with the
proposal

1362
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:43,080
and we're willing to pursue what they
need to do to get this declared a school

1363
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:46,640
zone.
Um was

1364
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:50,200
» Quick follow-up, Jim. I apologize I
couldn't attend the meeting. I

1365
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:56,000
appreciate everybody that came together
to to do this. Uh obviously Sonia and I

1366
01:35:52,760 --> 01:36:00,040
share North Seventh Street and you know,
comments and Washington Street from a

1367
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:02,440
lot of my side, the residents of along
the way.

1368
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:07,160
But,
any talk about

1369
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:13,440
I know there have been some conversation
about a stop sign perhaps coming down

1370
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:16,480
the hill of Reed Street hill.
Um

1371
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:20,800
Was there any talk about here?
>> Nope, for

1372
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:26,480
over here. Nope.
Right in the middle of S6. S6.

1373
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,680
» You see the intersection of Sixth and
Reed?

1374
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:31,720
» Yep, right there. Right there.
>> Down the hill there.

1375
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:36,840
» Cuz it turns a corner, Jim, and a lot of
kids cross right there and a lot of the

1376
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:40,440
high school kids come whizzing down that
hill and it's

1377
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:44,680
Um so, I didn't know if that had come up
in conversation with Sonia.

1378
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:49,440
» I don't recall that being really a
question from our meeting, but

1379
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:54,160
» I actually asked Dave Crandall and he
said he didn't recommend that the

1380
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,880
stop sign go there, that it would hold
up traffic. It would be

1381
01:36:55,720 --> 01:37:02,480
» Yeah. A bottle neck. A bottle neck.
Okay.

1382
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:06,920
» And that with the flashers and have he's
proposing, you know, like flashers you

1383
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:11,400
can initiate to be able to
cross safely.

1384
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:14,680
Um yeah, and so I did ask him that.
>> Was he talking about maybe putting a

1385
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:17,960
flasher there, too?
>> Uh right where you see the white

1386
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:21,320
» he's talking
>> Yeah. There.

1387
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:23,720
» Okay. He's talking about here on S6
Street.

1388
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,720
Uh
>> I'm talking about coming down the Reed

1389
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:30,840
Street hill, the back entrance from the
high school and you come down behind the

1390
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:35,560
track there.
>> So, some of that may be helped by we

1391
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:39,520
also talked about the about where the
students would park. So, instead of

1392
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:44,120
parking on Reed Street because now it
also will be going um towards Third

1393
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:49,680
Street, but having them park in the
parking lot to kind of help with some of

1394
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:54,080
that. Traffic, too, and requiring that
they do that and and and they were open

1395
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:57,400
to that, too.
>> So, eliminating the parking on Reed

1396
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,920
Street?
>> For students.

1397
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,960
» For students.
>> Cuz we asked that they limit where the

1398
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:05,480
students were able to park because I we
thought that would potentially help that

1399
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:09,120
actually.
>> Which Which where would they park?

1400
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:16,800
» In In the parking lot where the church
used to be, the one with the church

1401
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,800
there on Fourth Street.

1402
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:26,680
» If you let any If you let any parking on
Reed, that lot's full. And then if you

1403
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:29,920
let any parking on Reed and on Fourth
>> Eliminated for the students to park

1404
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:34,360
there.
So, students couldn't park there. It

1405
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:38,840
would be We would ask them to park They
would ask them to park

1406
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:43,000
in the the parking lot versus where Reed
is. And I don't know if they would

1407
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,000
designate that

1408
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,400
So, they're going to look into that.
That was one of the things that was left

1409
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,400
over just
>> The biggest thing is is

1410
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:59,400
the
how unsafe it is around the school for

1411
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:04,480
drop-off.
Every Every reason why they feel that

1412
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:08,600
the one-way should be enacted around the
school.

1413
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:12,720
The rest of it was just secondary. They
were happy that we're going to address

1414
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:16,360
Savage Street, but really it's their
school. That's where the big crowd was

1415
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:19,120
by
the back.

1416
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:24,440
» But yes, we went over all of that. They
were in favor of it. I think

1417
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:29,400
You You suggested that, so I had it and
they they seemed you know, like it was

1418
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:34,480
not That part was not an issue.
>> I mean, really if if if that speeding is

1419
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,400
there, at some point we might want to
look at speed humps.

1420
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:40,560
» Right. Right.
>> Cuz there's bigger ones versus,

1421
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:44,920
you know, bumps. So, there's I think
some other ways that But I think first

1422
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,560
if we do some of these and see if it
helps.

1423
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:51,240
» Okay.
>> Hopefully with the one-way traffic, that

1424
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:56,360
will eliminate some of that clogged,
very fast traffic at the bottom of the

1425
01:39:53,480 --> 01:40:00,280
hill. You know, you're you're kind of,
you know,

1426
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:05,200
lessening concentration, sending people
to Sullivan, which,

1427
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:09,080
if they need to go back down and, you
know, they can do so, but obviously it

1428
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:13,800
will slow things down.
>> Is all of that section of Reed Street

1429
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:16,280
one-way or just by the school?
>> Yeah, just by the school.

1430
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,720
» I got you.
I got you.

1431
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,560
» So, you can go left or right at that
>> One way at a time, yeah.

1432
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,560
» I got you.
>> Yeah,

1433
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:27,440
but if this is actually using students
for the uh

1434
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,440
» Got you.

1435
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,000
» In less than an hour, by the way.
>> Wow.

1436
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,440
» Oh, yeah.
30 minutes.

1437
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:36,440
» Yeah.

1438
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:44,840
» I mean,
you know, from our from our meeting,

1439
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,840
that's really the update.

1440
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:48,280
All right.
Thank you.

1441
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:50,600
» Yep.
>> Thanks, Jerry.

1442
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:55,200
» I know uh personally, I don't have kids
in the school at the Oley High School

1443
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:58,960
anymore, but uh I I do like that thought
process and uh just the fact of

1444
01:40:57,440 --> 01:41:03,000
identifying those safety [clears throat]
issues uh that they were having over

1445
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:07,240
there and getting them addressed,
working collaboratively with uh City of

1446
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:10,920
Oley School District uh I think is a
great idea. Great great great idea.

1447
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:15,240
All right.
>> And one other thing though, um just so

1448
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:19,000
you know that that that that drop-off
zone, we we did talk about being

1449
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:23,280
sensitive to the residents of the
neighborhood. So, that would be kind of

1450
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:29,160
designated between like, I don't know,
7:00 and 5:00 or something, right? So,

1451
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:34,480
that on weekends and after school hours
that residents that park along that that

1452
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:39,680
need extra parking would be able to park
in there, in the drop-off area.

1453
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:44,280
And you know that there'll be they'll
have to be I think public hearing,

1454
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:47,520
right? Regarding any changes. So, for
anyone who's like, "Oh my gosh, they

1455
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:52,000
want to change all this stuff." No,
there it's proposed at this time.

1456
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:56,000
» Jared,
just had a question. Jim, do you know

1457
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:59,320
Well, I get the need for the school
zones, but

1458
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:07,000
do you know can you
pass legislation where you can actually

1459
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:10,400
just do it during certain points?
Like times of day?

1460
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,960
» Um for like parking?
>> No.

1461
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:16,560
» For the the speed the school zone?
>> I ask cuz like I know ours are like all

1462
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,680
day long.
>> Yeah.

1463
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:24,480
» I get that there's the morning and the
afternoon, but at 11:00 in the morning

1464
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:28,920
while they're all in the school,
you know, is there a need compared to

1465
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:33,600
» That's a That's an interesting question.
I have never seen a school zone speed

1466
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:37,000
limit that varied,
but that doesn't mean that it could not

1467
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:40,200
be done.
>> Well, I believe

1468
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:44,280
I
>> I think Wayne I think Wayne does does it

1469
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:49,480
» No, Wayne plays all day long.
>> All week long, too? Even on weekends?

1470
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:52,920
» No, not No, not weekends. School days,
I'm sorry.

1471
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:55,560
I believe Fillmore's does. I know
there's some out there and you'll see

1472
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:58,920
them and post them right on there for
like 8:00 to 10:00 or

1473
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:02,880
» Okay.
>> specific times.

1474
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:06,360
» Particularly with modern digital
signage,

1475
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:10,000
» so that way it's not going to I get the
point of it, but like during you know,

1476
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,600
at 1:00 you're more likely to hit a kid
on the street at 6:00 p.m.

1477
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:16,760
» Yeah.
>> than you are at 1:00 p.m. cuz they're in

1478
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:20,200
the classrooms. That's why I asked if
that could be

1479
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:26,120
especially if you're looking to expand
the size of it, could it just be then be

1480
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:30,000
cut down to drop off and pick up?
>> I don't I don't know if I would agree

1481
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,920
with that because
they're in school all day. So, you have

1482
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:36,400
kids coming and going at different
times, especially when you get to the

1483
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:40,320
older class kids. [snorts] Um
they're coming and going all day.

1484
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:44,400
Some are going to fourth period or fifth
period and and done for first and second

1485
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:48,720
period, you know, so
having it recognized for the full school

1486
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:52,360
session
may be

1487
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:55,840
more beneficial than sticking with
otherwise. I believe then you start

1488
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:59,600
getting to the point where you start
trying to remember if I had like AB

1489
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:04,160
days, you know, oh, I better slow down
now. Oh, I'm good now. So,

1490
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:08,080
that's just my thought process, but
>> You'd have to put I think you'd have to

1491
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:11,760
put lights up there to do that, wouldn't
>> Yeah, yeah. So, what and then when the

1492
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:15,520
lights are off and not working,
uh and then you have or the ones that

1493
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:18,720
supposed to do the speed limit and they
don't. Uh so, now, you know, you want to

1494
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:23,880
slow [clears throat] down and not speed
up, you know what I mean? So, to put the

1495
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:27,960
onus back on the driver and have them be
the responsible party, especially when

1496
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:33,320
it comes to children, whether they're
older or younger, I think the focus on

1497
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:36,160
to set the parameters, set the hours,
and then have them

1498
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:40,800
uh
abide by those hours. Uh if on holidays,

1499
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:45,280
that light should not be blinking. On
weekends, it should not be blinking.

1500
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:49,920
After what, 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 p.m., it
should not be blinking. So, um but

1501
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:54,520
that's just my thought. So,
anyone else can

1502
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:58,960
share or jump on that. But, uh so,
definitely appreciate the feedback and

1503
01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:03,840
information. Now, to ensure that we
don't let this drop off, uh are we

1504
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:06,240
waiting on the school for more
information, so

1505
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:09,640
» did we get that from
>> Yeah, we're we're all good with the

1506
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:14,080
school. They gave us, you know, the red
zones. It's pretty much what we're

1507
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:17,360
looking at. They are just, you know,
hope hope that we can get this done

1508
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:22,600
before school starts.
>> That was my next question. So, with

1509
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:27,480
that, we want to make sure that we get
another discussion to be finalized, and

1510
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:32,360
then get it on for a PL, then get it
posted, then do a public hearing. So

1511
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:36,520
everything is done before the first week
of September. So we don't want to wait

1512
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:39,880
until mid-August. We want to make sure
we can move forward. So

1513
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:48,520
okay, so we can
we can get this so we can put this on

1514
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:53,440
for committees to discuss moving forward
to resolution and wait, get it posted,

1515
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:59,200
the whole nine yards. So Tiffany, would
you do that for me, please?

1516
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,200
That way we can keep that going.

1517
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:09,920
» Hey Jim, the now that will the RF what
is it RRFB, will that take time because

1518
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:14,520
does New York State still have to
approve those or can the community

1519
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:16,160
» No, we that's our street. We can put
them in

1520
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,640
» You can? Okay.
>> As far as I know.

1521
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:23,560
» I just I I
at one point in time I thought that

1522
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:26,640
there was uh that they were
traffic vehicle traffic law said that

1523
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,360
they were
>> not a

1524
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,760
» I think they said that actually.
>> Was that for a state road?

1525
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:36,760
» I think that was the state road.
>> Okay. Okay, so we can put that in there.

1526
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:42,040
» Yeah, they they are. I guess you know,
the point to be made about them is they

1527
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:47,800
are not a vehicle a traffic control
device. They are simply an informational

1528
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:51,400
device. So
>> And I think you said that the school

1529
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:56,160
could actually designate kind of like so
we asked them you know, 2015 whatever it

1530
01:46:54,320 --> 01:47:01,920
is in terms of that.
>> They could pay for it or did we have to

1531
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:05,960
pay for it or was that not discussed?
>> We had the signs. I think it would

1532
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:10,200
depend on what we were looking at. If
we're looking at flashing light ones and

1533
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:14,240
those kinds of things.
So to your question, the answer is no,

1534
01:47:12,440 --> 01:47:18,080
we did not discuss who would pay for
signage.

1535
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:23,200
And that probably goes back to if we
look at

1536
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:27,880
the designating and I don't know who
traditionally pays for those signs, but

1537
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:32,040
I'm sure that's a quick Google search
and figuring that out. And then, if

1538
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:36,280
there's a cost attached, when we come
back with the PL, then we can

1539
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:40,000
include that in there.
And we'll be able to utilize as much of

1540
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:43,640
the existing signage as we can.
>> I'm not worried about the signs. The

1541
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:46,840
flashing beacons are going to be
like $10,000.

1542
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:48,880
Yeah.
Just curious.

1543
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,960
Thanks.
All right. Anything else?

1544
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:56,240
» Yeah, I just had a question. So, there
is the city or the school going to put a

1545
01:47:54,080 --> 01:48:00,680
sidewalk in along 7th Street?
>> So, what we discussed and and there

1546
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:03,720
needs to be some ongoing conversation
with that business is

1547
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:07,080
» Not the business.
>> Even

1548
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:09,560
Which one?
>> Right there where those two crosswalks

1549
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,760
go. There's
There's no sidewalk.

1550
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,480
» There is now.
>> There is now?

1551
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,840
» They just put it in.
>> Oh, okay.

1552
01:48:15,480 --> 01:48:19,800
» Oh, I was going to say by the business
we talked about even if it was set on

1553
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:23,440
the side.
>> Okay.

1554
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:25,840
Uh the school the school district owns
Yeah, is that now or is that

1555
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:28,240
» There is a sidewalk.
>> Okay.

1556
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:35,440
All right.
Nothing else? All right. Moving on.

1557
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:42,240
Uh resolution 15-26 remove no parking
signs East Elm Street. Uh this is the

1558
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:48,200
one where we have been receiving emails
uh on uh continuing issues uh down in

1559
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:50,840
that area after uh no parking signs were
removed

1560
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:56,520
» Yeah, at the request of that
school down there, they said they'd pay

1561
01:48:55,080 --> 01:49:00,680
for those signs when they were having
school buses drop children off.

1562
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:03,960
And there's no longer school buses down
there anymore, so that's when we they

1563
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:07,800
asked us to have them have the signs
removed.

1564
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:12,400
And we agreed and we removed the signs.
Um I did get a couple calls, I'm sure

1565
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:16,160
you're This is back on the agenda
because of somebody named

1566
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:20,120
Jeremy that is one of the neighbors that
lives across the street.

1567
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:24,840
Uh he is stating that uh
that the parents are dropping off kids

1568
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:28,400
in the same area where the signs were,
but they're blaring loud music. He works

1569
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:31,760
third shift. He's trying to sleep. His
baby sitter is at it.

1570
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:35,680
Anyways, it's a little dispute he's
having with the school saying that the

1571
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:41,760
loud music is being played at 7:00 and
8:00 in the morning and

1572
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:45,200
uh he would like that stopped. And so I
went over to the school and spoke to

1573
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:48,920
their administrator. She said she was
sending a letter to the parents. Uh

1574
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:53,400
there is a parking lot that they also
rent that used to belong to the old

1575
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:56,280
transit duration school. She was going
to uh

1576
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:59,440
ask the parents if they would use that
parking lot because it goes into a U

1577
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,520
shape where they can pull in one side
and come right out the other side

1578
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:07,720
and drop the children off there. She
informed me that school was done for the

1579
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:12,960
year, June 17th.
So, she would send that letter out and

1580
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:15,600
hopefully that would resolve the issues.
So, we'll just have to wait and see, I

1581
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:19,160
guess.
>> And then the noise can be addressed.

1582
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:23,200
» And I did tell I did tell this Jeremy
guy that

1583
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:25,720
if it is a loud noise to call the police
and have them down and monitor the

1584
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:29,040
situation.
And he said he would do that, so I'm

1585
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:31,480
just hoping that he follows through with
the police and I follow through with the

1586
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:35,360
school.
>> But that is a violation of noise

1587
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,360
ordinance.

1588
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:42,320
» All right. Anything else? Any questions?
All right. We just wanted to get that

1589
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:47,000
back on the agenda and discuss
considering the email communications

1590
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:54,200
we've received. Uh moving on to
assistance to firefighter grant, uh fire

1591
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:58,360
engine, and radios.
>> Somebody's

1592
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,360
coming to work now.

1593
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:07,320
Hi. Uh so, this is the same AFG grant
that I apply for every year. Uh I'm

1594
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:12,120
going to be applying for a fire engine
um for the main grant. And then you also

1595
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:14,440
get to apply for a $75,000
uh

1596
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:20,600
mini grant, they call it. So, those
would be for portable portable radios.

1597
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:20,600
There is a 5% match from the city.

1598
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,000
Okay, thank you.
>> Thanks.

1599
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:32,360
» I guess that's the beauty of coming in
late late and having a meeting go late,

1600
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:36,240
the questions get less.
All right, so yeah, that's the same

1601
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:38,680
thing we normally do. Uh so, I guess
we're going to be presented with a PL in

1602
01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:40,720
the future and then we'll have to get
sponsors.

1603
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:44,720
» Mhm.
>> All right.

1604
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:47,600
Uh nothing else, no committee reports.
I'll make a motion to adjourn. Do I hear

1605
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:50,160
a second? Seconded by Danny. All in
favor? All right. Opposed? We are

1606
01:51:49,480 --> 01:51:54,480
adjourned.
>> Okay, I call to order the finance

1607
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:56,040
committee meeting for Tuesday, June 9th.
Let's do a

1608
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:59,400
roll call to see if all of you are
present.

1609
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:02,600
Approvals of minutes from the previous
committee meeting, which is Tuesday, May

1610
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,640
19th. I'll make a motion. Do I hear a
second?

1611
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:06,400
» Second.
>> Seconded by Alden.

1612
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:11,320
» Yes, hearing.
All in favor?

1613
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:14,200
Opposed?
Okay.

1614
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:20,120
Um
Unfinished business, capital fund

1615
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,120
closing and reserve creations.

1616
01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:24,200
» Are you guys here for school?
>> What?

1617
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:45,960
Oh, okay.
Um so, I have started

1618
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:48,840
um looking into
uh reserve funds.

1619
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:53,480
Um
it

1620
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:57,560
seems like there are probably several of
our capital funds

1621
01:52:55,200 --> 01:53:00,400
that should be converted to reserve
funds.

1622
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:07,120
Um
I have uh kind of started a list um that

1623
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:11,520
I would be happy to send to all of you
to um review.

1624
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:16,040
Um
projects

1625
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:20,920
um that should be closed
um

1626
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:25,200
fund 119 and 186, the Oats Bus Reserve,
Oats Capital Account. Um they were

1627
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:30,080
closed
um in September of last year for

1628
01:53:27,480 --> 01:53:33,960
resolution 9325.
Um we just need to confirm the final

1629
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:39,720
accounting of those and they can be
closed. Um there's a few other ones that

1630
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:39,720
um

1631
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:48,480
there hasn't been a lot of activity in.
Um so just whether it's something that

1632
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:51,160
we want to keep the
keep it open for

1633
01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:54,920
um
or if we want to close down those

1634
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:59,360
projects and move them into our
operating accounts.

1635
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:03,160
Um
the big thing with

1636
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:10,440
reserve funds.
Um

1637
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:14,920
there's there's two types of reserve
funds that we can use. Um the first

1638
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:19,040
being a capital reserve fund.
Um

1639
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:24,520
that is
um it will there's a specific or type

1640
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:29,240
for those. Specific would be for a
single named improvement or item of

1641
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:36,880
equipment. Um type would be for a
category of equipment or improvements

1642
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:42,520
um such as the I believe it's capital
fund 1

1643
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:46,560
18 uh for Chief Morard that he has the
ambulance reserve um emergency services

1644
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:52,600
vehicles.
Um things of that nature. Uh there's

1645
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:57,400
also a repair reserve fund that we can
use um does it designed for repairs to

1646
01:54:55,200 --> 01:55:03,680
capital improvements or equipment
such as um funds 242 and 243 for our

1647
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:08,600
sewer line repair and replacement, water
line repair and replacement.

1648
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:14,400
Um so, like I said, I've started working
on this. It has much more detail um than

1649
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:19,760
kind of what I'm giving you now. Um it's
something that I uh

1650
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:24,160
started working on over the weekend.
Um so, I didn't want to throw it at you

1651
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:30,200
last minute.
Um but I uh tomorrow I would be happy to

1652
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:34,320
send that to all of you to review. Um
the reserve funds do have to be created

1653
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:38,680
via resolution.
Um so, that's something that um would

1654
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:43,560
have to be part of that process as we
get these funds classified correctly,

1655
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:48,240
whether they're capital funds
cap and capital projects or whether they

1656
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:51,200
are reserve funds.
>> Any questions here?

1657
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:57,600
So, when you um so, you're going to send
this out Will you Will you send this out

1658
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:59,720
then with the description then of of the
state

1659
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:05,680
» Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I have here
working out. It's got um every

1660
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,680
um

1661
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:14,920
So, there's like a These are projects
that should be turned into

1662
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:19,920
uh reserve funds based on um
some analysis that I've done. Projects

1663
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:23,840
um that need to be reviewed by council
for either closure or reclassification,

1664
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:28,400
depending on which way we're going to go
with them. And then projects that can

1665
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:32,560
remain as they are as active capital or
capital funds and capital projects.

1666
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:37,840
» So, when you send that out, would you
just do us the favor of just sending us

1667
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:43,720
out the description of the different
types of the repair reserve at the um

1668
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:47,120
» Yep, I will This is this document that I
have here has an explanation of the two

1669
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,080
right at the beginning, and I'll make
sure I send the entire thing to you

1670
01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:51,080
guys.
>> Sounds great. Thank you.

1671
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:56,680
» Absolutely.
>> Any other questions here?

1672
01:56:53,760 --> 01:57:01,880
Okay. So, new new referrals for
consideration, funding grant position,

1673
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:07,080
and you know, I spoke briefly with the
mayor on this and and I was like

1674
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:10,880
part of this is making sure that um
one there's two focus. One is the you

1675
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:15,200
talked about
doing the part-time position kind of

1676
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:20,440
after the budget was done out of some of
the sewer and water funds. So, that was

1677
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:23,400
one and the other is in essence
looking at the American fill in the

1678
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:27,760
blanks here.
Um

1679
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:31,400
in part succession, right? And taking
one of the positions that's already in

1680
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:36,120
the um
community development and kind of um

1681
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:37,920
designating it a little bit different
and better for what we actually need.

1682
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:44,160
So.
>> Yeah, so so basically the grant position

1683
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:50,040
that you see is in Carrie's office. We
have a person that is her assistant

1684
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:54,400
that's retiring. So, with civil service
you have to come off of the title and

1685
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:59,200
this was the title that fit what she's
going to need. But, basically

1686
01:57:56,720 --> 01:58:03,600
um as when that person retires in July,
this is what this

1687
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:09,240
uh was already discussed before and
agreed upon that she needed. Um we made

1688
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:13,000
sure that, you know, everything is
according to the union, according to

1689
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:17,320
civil service. It's a whole process. So,
that's the title. And that's essentially

1690
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:22,440
what she needs is, you know, the
coordinator of the grants to

1691
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:25,960
is part of her office
um and also an assistant. So, that's

1692
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:30,360
what that is.
>> And then the second one that we had

1693
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:35,280
discussed um during the budget, which
was to create potentially a part-time um

1694
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:39,000
maybe finding somebody in the community
to write the grants and be able to

1695
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:43,520
utilize um for the most bang for our
buck cuz we talked about about 30,000.

1696
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:48,160
Is that something that you would still
like to have on the table then?

1697
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:52,320
» I yes, I believe so because this is a
different totally different thing what

1698
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:57,560
we're going to be doing now. Through the
process of the last 6 months, what I

1699
01:58:54,240 --> 01:59:02,440
have discovered is we we do have um
uh municipal solutions that we can use.

1700
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:07,440
They have grant writers. Obviously,
there's there's fees that then they

1701
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:11,920
usually will pull those into the grant
that we're seeking. Um but above and

1702
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:15,960
beyond that, there might be other
options that we want to

1703
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:20,040
uh we have a grant writer for. It just
depends. It's It's each project might be

1704
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:24,400
able to
uh be fulfilled by a grant writer with

1705
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:28,800
the municipal solutions, or there might
be a different type of uh grant that we

1706
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:33,400
need
that we need there will be funds

1707
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:38,560
available for for contracting services
or professional services, that sort of

1708
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:42,480
thing. But I think our best bet,
especially with some of the projects

1709
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:46,480
that we need to be going after grants
for, should be done through municipal

1710
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:50,600
solutions because
they take it from the very beginning all

1711
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:54,720
the way to the end for us. We
the grant writing, the grant seeking,

1712
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:59,160
and they include that into the total
package of of, you know, what grant

1713
01:59:57,200 --> 02:00:05,520
we're seeking, whether it's for
infrastructure or, you know, cycling

1714
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:09,760
project, all of those things
is what we've always used in the past,

1715
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:13,800
municipal solutions, that we need to
start moving towards again and and

1716
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:19,440
allowing them to help us with the
infrastructure grants.

1717
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,440
» Any questions?

1718
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:24,640
John?
>> I know we've used them Mayor, I know

1719
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:30,200
we've used the municipal solutions as
our our financing agent in the past for

1720
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:33,280
a long time.
Do we have a history of using them to

1721
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,400
help write grants?
>> Yes.

1722
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,840
» We do?
>> Yes.

1723
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:38,800
» Okay.
Um

1724
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:43,320
Yeah, I just you know, I I want to just
reiterate whether it's through municipal

1725
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:47,160
solutions uh as an option. I guess I
would like to know what the cost

1726
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:49,920
effectiveness This of of that. Um I
don't know what

1727
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:53,920
I'm sure they will just charge one
blanket price as far as we go based on

1728
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:58,640
the amount of hours they put into
pursuing and securing grants. But,

1729
02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:01,200
I do want to just reiterate the
importance of having those are two

1730
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:06,760
separate positions, community
development and the grants that they're

1731
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:12,960
going after and the administrative tasks
for that position is totally separate

1732
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:17,840
from the DPW and the water and sewer
infrastructure grants that we should

1733
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:21,440
really be exploring. When I first was on
the council,

1734
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:25,520
I want to say we were getting sizable
grants and that was good news that we

1735
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:28,920
heard about the um
lead the lead line, right? But, these

1736
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:33,120
are the things that we should be
applying for constantly

1737
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:37,120
with with regards to our infrastructure
and

1738
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:42,800
and that has slowed over the past really
four years. So, I would encourage

1739
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:46,800
for the mayor to use the funds available
to apply for these these infrastructure

1740
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:50,760
grants whether we
hire someone internally part-time or or

1741
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:53,920
whatever. But, those are two separate
positions.

1742
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:56,160
» So, I would
um

1743
02:01:56,280 --> 02:02:07,400
I think we need to put in a a PL of the
15,000 from sewer 15 from water that we

1744
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:13,120
discussed from the fund balances to
create this part-time grant position.

1745
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:16,880
That's what we discussed prior to the
budget. We said we would do it after the

1746
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:21,000
budget. So, um
you're looking critical.

1747
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:24,680
» I cuz I thought that was already
put into the budget.

1748
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:28,480
» We did not. We did not put that into the
budget at all. We said that we would

1749
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:33,880
discuss it after the budget.
Um just because we were trying to

1750
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:38,800
not add more into it and increase the
tax rate. So, this was a way to be able

1751
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:43,920
to um meet the needs because
unfortunately, it seems like in the past

1752
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:50,400
that this had fallen a lot on Carrie to
be able to do and it was really

1753
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:54,440
not necessarily hers to do. Um
so, I would say yes, so it's not in the

1754
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:59,280
budget. I did talk to them and I said we
would do this after that.

1755
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:59,280
» I probably should have encumbered that.

1756
02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:03,760
» Well, we're going to take the goal was
to take it out of fund balances.

1757
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,240
» Right. Oh, okay.
>> That's what we had talked about taking

1758
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:08,920
it out of
>> I thought we had money left over in

1759
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:12,720
contingency. Yes.
>> Yes.

1760
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:16,000
But to take it 15 and 15 out of out of
the fund balances.

1761
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,640
Okay?
>> Okay, so

1762
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:22,480
» Okay,
cool. Ed, yeah.

1763
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:26,000
Okay.
Um

1764
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:30,120
» Yeah, speaking of fund balances, I mean,
I know we're sitting here now early in

1765
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:36,880
the second week of June, but when can we
expect to get some preliminary results

1766
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:39,440
on on how this will be wrapped up?
>> It's too early to put that on.

1767
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:43,480
Do I have to answer?
>> Just just just a We can put it out at a

1768
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:46,600
future date. I understand.
>> I'm sorry, what was the question?

1769
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:51,840
I so
Well, when when Mercers is

1770
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:56,680
» So, Mercer is going to be coming down
tentatively, I believe the third week of

1771
02:03:54,120 --> 02:04:01,880
July. Um are the dates that they gave
me? I have been asking

1772
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:08,840
for about 2 weeks now for them to send
us the work papers that they had from

1773
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:13,640
previous just so I can kind of know what
to expect from them going through this

1774
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:19,200
for the first time. Um
I'm still waiting to receive those, um

1775
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:21,480
but I am
>> Good.

1776
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:25,520
» I I know that there was a resolution
passed previously for the books to be

1777
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:27,760
closed in September.
That is my goal.

1778
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:32,680
» All right, thank you.
>> So, kind of if we could go Ed to the

1779
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:38,040
next finance committee meeting, kind of
a follow up to that is we had been

1780
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:43,040
provided a number of 384,000 that we
were over budget and that we still had 2

1781
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:48,080
months to go. So, even if we could kind
of get a tentative where we're going to

1782
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:50,440
end up, not holding you to the numbers.
Um

1783
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:52,760
on our
next

1784
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:55,000
meeting, that would be great.
>> have expenses to be

1785
02:04:54,040 --> 02:05:01,680
» Yes.
>> Yep. Yep. Um once I I plan to have a

1786
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:06,440
better year-end picture
um in the beginning of July um once the

1787
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:10,720
final
um I believe Connie will be you know,

1788
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:14,800
the fourth Tues- the fourth Wednesday
after the fourth Tuesday or however the

1789
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:19,520
all of that works.
Um once those final expenses for the

1790
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:25,280
previous fiscal year are into the system
and good. Um I plan to have a

1791
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:27,880
um better picture for all of you um at
that first meeting

1792
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:30,160
um in July.
>> Okay.

1793
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:39,320
Um I had asked to have promotions and
new positions put on. Um

1794
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:43,840
there was some concern, you know, what
we were looking to do is to ensure that

1795
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:47,520
the positions um
are consistent with what was in the

1796
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:53,840
budget cuz we did go line by line, we
went position by position. Um

1797
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:58,680
And given our financial constraints, we
wanted to ensure that that we were going

1798
02:05:55,880 --> 02:06:03,960
to stay within our personnel line costs.
Um so, I did talk briefly to the mayor

1799
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:07,040
and I had to go back and and take a look
um

1800
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:10,480
at uh one of the positions that that
came up, there was a question and she

1801
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:16,760
said it was in our last year's budget.
So, I guess I would like to um put this

1802
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:22,040
on hold and then I'll go back, research
it, um get something out to you guys on

1803
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:28,960
it in terms of because one of the things
we were saying is we were told that the

1804
02:06:25,240 --> 02:06:31,760
um 101 line was for um
costs uh

1805
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:36,160
for
contractual and um

1806
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:39,200
oh gosh, I forgot the other word I
wanted there. Contractual and

1807
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:45,120
» longevity
>> longevity. And we wanted to just ensure

1808
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:49,920
that that all of those things were
captured since we had gone line by line.

1809
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:54,800
Um and then Councilman Foster had he had
a question about it. So, I'm going to go

1810
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:58,080
back, look at the budget after talking
to the mayor,

1811
02:06:56,120 --> 02:07:02,080
um and then if we still have questions
about it, we probably will need to go to

1812
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:06,680
an executive executive session on Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, basically, I think what you're

1813
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:12,000
referring to it's an internal
um for one of the employees again with

1814
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:17,800
the title and a matched
pay. And the fact is that this was all

1815
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:22,720
done prior to the end of the budget. It
is allocated in the budget.

1816
02:07:20,080 --> 02:07:27,200
This position is
for the same I mean, basically, it's for

1817
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:31,520
the same department. Nothing has
changed. We made sure that any kind of

1818
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:36,520
adjustments we needed to make for this
year was included in the budget and and

1819
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:40,920
it is. And so, further discussion, yes,
we could go in executive session. We can

1820
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:46,520
get a breakdown of the information, but
it's it's been allocated.

1821
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:48,680
» I mean, no no new issues were made
for

1822
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:52,120
» Questions for you?
>> Do you have your documents that were

1823
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:54,520
given to us from the city?
>> I have them all at

1824
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:55,680
» Okay.
>> Yes.

1825
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:58,360
» I think I just [clears throat] threw
mine away last

1826
02:07:56,200 --> 02:08:01,840
» Oh, no. Literally, I have every single
budget piece of paper sent to me.

1827
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:05,120
» Oh, good. That's why you're the chairman
of this.

1828
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:08,640
» Absolutely. And and so, after talking
with the mayor, I'll go I will back,

1829
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:12,080
I'll look at those, and then I can get
the answers out to you guys, and if we

1830
02:08:10,240 --> 02:08:16,760
need further discussion discussion, I'll
bring them back.

1831
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:20,000
» Yeah, Mayor, maybe if you can or sign it
kind of when she's looking, just going

1832
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:24,960
backwards really quick to the
conversation about the youth and rec, I

1833
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:29,160
took the time here and I then just
please clarify where that money has ever

1834
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:32,880
come out of that budget cuz going back
to the budget of 18-19 it started at

1835
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:37,080
$190,000
and it has climbed all the way up to

1836
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:37,080
$275,000.

1837
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:41,520
» Uh
clarify, you mean just overall the cost

1838
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:45,600
for the department?
>> For the youth recreation payroll

1839
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:50,720
department. When I was asking about
those positions, I just now sat here and

1840
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:54,320
went back to 18-19, that budget
allocated $190,000

1841
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:57,080
just on the 100 line.
>> Mhm.

1842
02:08:55,040 --> 02:09:00,560
» I'm only going to tell you the 25-26
line at 275

1843
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:04,240
cuz I'm going to give the grace of we
added for the splash park attendants in

1844
02:09:02,680 --> 02:09:06,320
this year, which
>> increased wages

1845
02:09:05,464 --> 02:09:11,480
» [clears throat]
>> Correct, which went up to 309,000.

1846
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:16,040
So, I'm just saying like
I'm allowing you for that, but even if

1847
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:20,680
you add 4% per year cumulatively, it
should have only, you know, that's 270

1848
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:23,600
and I don't think there was 4% raises
every single year, especially the

1849
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:28,400
part-time people.
>> So, you're looking to say basically, did

1850
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:30,960
we remove the one recreational attendant
>> I'm just saying

1851
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:35,040
I'm just asking cuz what we were told
tonight is they were all taken, then

1852
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:38,680
that number should have gone down, not
kept rising.

1853
02:09:36,280 --> 02:09:42,320
» The only thing though that did change in
that, which

1854
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:45,360
I don't think we agreed to but I don't
think we were necessarily in favor of

1855
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:50,400
it, we went from a two part-time
positions to a full-time position. My

1856
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:54,840
memory is that's the only one that that
we really made any change in in terms of

1857
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:59,960
the that. In terms of adding anything is
what I'm saying. So, yeah, so you're

1858
02:09:57,320 --> 02:10:03,840
looking to say how did we go from that
and what were those dollars for the

1859
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:06,160
recreational attendant and the part-time
cleaner

1860
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:11,960
um
effectively removed or have they been

1861
02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:11,960
kind of hanging out in there?

1862
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:17,120
Did I capture it?
>> Just overall in general cuz like I said

1863
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:20,440
when I asked it was said that they were
kind of all gone. All these positions

1864
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:23,960
were taken but that number kept going
up. If the positions were taken then

1865
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:26,480
that number should have dipped at some
point.

1866
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:32,200
» Well, I'll go back in history and see
what made the change. So, you're saying

1867
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:34,440
in 2019
it was

1868
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:38,920
» 190.
>> Well, okay. So, we're comparing 2019 to

1869
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:44,040
206.
>> Last year's was a 275. I'm giving you

1870
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:47,840
that grace of a big jump this year to
Splash Park 10.

1871
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:51,160
» Okay.
>> It's probably going to be similar to the

1872
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:54,680
one we had in the budget where we found
that the money was still there. They

1873
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:58,360
just didn't fill the position.
I think that was Fleet.

1874
02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:02,800
So, it's probably the same thing. The
money has been there.

1875
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:05,760
They just been adding positions.
But, maybe I'm giving them that too. So,

1876
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:09,240
I don't know.
>> And that's a whole another issue if we

1877
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:11,960
have that.
But, [clears throat] yeah, there

1878
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:17,280
shouldn't have been anything allocated
in this budget for ghost positions. No,

1879
02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:20,880
I think we went through it all trying to
comb.

1880
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:23,720
So, but I guess we can see why there was
a jump.

1881
02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:27,360
You know, in these last seven, is it
seven years?

1882
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:31,560
Basically six years.
>> it was started in 2022.

1883
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:33,680
I think it's when the pool closed from
the county.

1884
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:38,400
» I have a note that says, "Was there a
corresponding decrease from 2022-2023

1885
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:42,560
in personnel lines
with the removal of the three

1886
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:46,680
lifeguards, the recreational attendant,
and the part-time cleaner?"

1887
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:47,600
Cuz that those dollars should have been
removed.

1888
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:50,560
» Yep.
>> That's the question.

1889
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:59,520
Okay.
Meeting, um,

1890
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:02,040
so Mary, you'll
want to email You want to email that to

1891
02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:05,080
us?
>> Uh,

1892
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:10,760
okay. So, basically you want to know
what the how the progression of the

1893
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:14,160
positions went along with the costs in
2019 2019 until now.

1894
02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:19,000
Basically.
>> Yeah, basically. And And was there a

1895
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:23,280
when the pool closed in that 2022, were
those corresponding

1896
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:28,560
um positions
cost dollars, those dollars removed?

1897
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:31,960
» The only thing I would ask is
when was the last time the pool was

1898
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:36,400
open?
>> Well, we had it open briefly one summer,

1899
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:38,840
so I think it was this 2022-2023.
>> It was only open one year post COVID,

1900
02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:44,240
right?
>> Yeah, we had one summer.

1901
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:45,760
» It was 2011.
>> We had

1902
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:49,600
» It's all right.
>> Post COVID we had one summer.

1903
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:53,240
» I just guessed John, and that's why I
went back that kind of

1904
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:57,160
We can keep going.
>> Okay. Committee reports, we have none. I

1905
02:12:55,800 --> 02:12:59,120
make a motion to adjourn. Do I have a
second?

1906
02:12:57,720 --> 02:13:00,440
» Seconded by Alderman Klein. All in
favor?

1907
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:03,000
» Aye.
>> Opposed?

1908
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:04,760
» Opposed.
>> Do we know who

1909
02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:07,000
» Thank you.
>> One opposed.

1910
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:09,400
» One.
>> Call the order of the City Operations

1911
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:13,640
Committee. Let the record show that all
members are present. I'll make a motion

1912
02:13:11,600 --> 02:13:18,000
for the approval of the minutes from
Tuesday, May 19th. Do I have a second?

1913
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:23,760
Sorry. Seconded by Alderman Stachon. All
in favor? Opposed? Carried. Unfinished

1914
02:13:21,120 --> 02:13:28,200
business, ash tree reimbursement issue.
Jim, this one was up for just the

1915
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:31,720
question that was on that ash tree, was
it inventoried in the city's ash tree

1916
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:35,440
report?
>> Great.

1917
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:38,600
And unfortunately, I haven't solved that
part of the rule yet. I do have an

1918
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:42,960
update for you
that I got from the staff while I was

1919
02:13:40,880 --> 02:13:46,600
out on vacation, but
that specific part is an entirely

1920
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:50,880
different issue.
Um

1921
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:55,000
so, the ash tree capital fund currently
has $37,247

1922
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:59,760
in it.
Um

1923
02:13:56,840 --> 02:14:05,320
and we have currently identified a total
of eight dead or dangerous ash trees

1924
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:10,720
that are in the public space.
Um so, we certainly have enough funding

1925
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:16,200
available once we have a a a tree
contractor for the new fiscal year,

1926
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:20,360
and enough funding available to address
the ones that are identified as as

1927
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,640
dangerous.
>> Yeah, and I have a question. So, you

1928
02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:23,720
have
>> Yep.

1929
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:26,720
» You said eight that are dying in the
public space.

1930
02:14:26,760 --> 02:14:29,360
» Yes.
>> Correct?

1931
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:32,400
So, where are you going to find those
public spaces?

1932
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:35,600
» Uh
So, we have two in the public

1933
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:38,640
right-of-way,
two in Gargoyle Park,

1934
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:42,360
um
>> My question was you were I was asking.

1935
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,920
So, you're including the right-of-ways.
>> Yes.

1936
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:45,800
» Yes, that's all.
Thank you.

1937
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:50,520
» Great.
Um

1938
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:56,160
So, we have that. We have the RFP. The
RFP is actually uh been released for the

1939
02:14:53,720 --> 02:15:01,800
new tree removal contractor.
So, hopefully we'll have that contractor

1940
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:06,880
uh much sooner than we did last year.
Um

1941
02:15:04,040 --> 02:15:11,400
Now, as far as the
question about who did we reimburse

1942
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:15,120
what, and do we need to
refund

1943
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:18,680
um certain homeowners,
I can tell you that we have 13 ash trees

1944
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:24,840
that were removed from the public
right-of-way in fiscal '25 and '26.

1945
02:15:22,360 --> 02:15:27,720
Um or fiscal '25, '26.
>> How many was it again? I'm sorry.

1946
02:15:25,880 --> 02:15:32,520
» 13.
But, I did not get a breakdown of where

1947
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:36,400
all those were, and what reimbursements
we made,

1948
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:41,120
or whether we carried the cost.
So, I will put my staff back on that,

1949
02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:45,320
and just send that out to you in an
email.

1950
02:15:42,080 --> 02:15:51,080
» That would be great. And then, um
also, for burning us, I see you. Um

1951
02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:54,840
how many are on the inventory for
remaining

1952
02:15:52,840 --> 02:16:01,280
not dead or dying? Because I thought
when we did the grant, it was to handle

1953
02:15:56,600 --> 02:16:01,280
all of the ash trees in our inventory.

1954
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:08,080
» Okay, that number I don't have right
here. The last I had heard, we had we

1955
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:14,560
believed 60.
So, just doing the math backwards,

1956
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:18,000
we should still have like 52
healthy ash

1957
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:21,280
» Okay, if I'm not mistaken,
Vernon or John, somebody may remember,

1958
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:24,680
but I believe that we ended up
inventorying the entire county saying

1959
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:26,400
that we were just going to do it all
because that was the

1960
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:27,800
» Yep.
>> direct.

1961
02:16:26,840 --> 02:16:29,880
» That was the goal.
>> Okay.

1962
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:34,160
» 170,000
and whatever we did was supposed to take

1963
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:36,440
care of every single ash tree in
the city.

1964
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:41,160
» and then forward.
So, then your next update and then run

1965
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:44,519
out of will include the not just kind of
that, but also those 13, who paid for

1966
02:16:43,960 --> 02:16:48,160
them?
>> Yeah.

1967
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:53,800
» Okay, Vernon.
>> Yeah, this is spiraling. Um we we

1968
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:58,160
started with this months ago because we
learned that there was one resident. All

1969
02:16:56,679 --> 02:17:01,840
we were looking for is to find out about
the one resident. Yet, every time we

1970
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:06,800
talk about this, no one writing anything
down. We have a video that's recording

1971
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:10,679
everything. No one's going back to we
come back and we still don't have

1972
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:15,719
information. Again, this proves what I
stated earlier and what I said. So, now

1973
02:17:13,559 --> 02:17:21,519
we know that it wasn't just one, but
there's 13. That's troubling. So, I'm

1974
02:17:19,160 --> 02:17:25,800
I'm just I would just like to know
if I mean, for the sake of I mean, for

1975
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:30,280
the sake of transparency, if we owe
these people this money, then we should

1976
02:17:27,639 --> 02:17:35,240
reimburse it. If not, then the money
that was used from the previous, just

1977
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:37,719
that one person, that money came from
one fund, it should have came from the

1978
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:40,679
other.
That's all I was asking and that it

1979
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:44,920
really wasn't innocent thing. I didn't
know it was going to turn into months

1980
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:49,280
and months of of this. So, at this
point, hey, I feel bad for that

1981
02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:51,200
resident. They they probably Who knows?
I'm not even going to say about

1982
02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:54,880
» I get your
I get your point. I get your point,

1983
02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:58,920
Vernon. I mean, I agree with you and I'm
just I get your point. I just My belief

1984
02:17:57,440 --> 02:18:02,800
is that this money should be reimbursed.
I mean, clearly they just added that

1985
02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:05,719
into that right away that right that
right away into that inventory.

1986
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:10,880
Uh Amy?
>> Well, I asked specifically that very

1987
02:18:07,960 --> 02:18:16,599
question. Is there someone that is
that is asking to be reimbursed? And the

1988
02:18:13,519 --> 02:18:22,639
answer I got was no, there is no one
that is being asked to be reimbursed

1989
02:18:19,639 --> 02:18:27,440
that had it in their subway. So, does
anyone have a formal complaint or did

1990
02:18:25,880 --> 02:18:31,360
someone contact you?
>> I don't know.

1991
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:35,240
So, when you get the capital fund rates,
uh when Lens provided that information

1992
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:37,880
to us, in that information in the packet
he gave us,

1993
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:42,160
there was
uh money removed from the capital fund.

1994
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:46,599
When we asked what that was in reference
to, it was mentioned that that was a

1995
02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:51,040
resident that paid their portion
uh and we paid the other half. So, then

1996
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:54,559
the question became, right? So, then the
question became

1997
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:58,719
if that was an ashtray, it was part of
the inventory, and we already set money

1998
02:18:56,440 --> 02:19:02,599
aside for that, should that resident be
paying for the removal of the tray?

1999
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:06,960
We know that the policy states that the
resident pays half, but if we had money

2000
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:10,000
set aside for that ashtray to be
removed, the resident should not have to

2001
02:19:08,840 --> 02:19:14,120
pay for that.
We already had money set aside.

2002
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:17,400
» Does your did the TL say including
subway or did it just say

2003
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:22,559
parts?
>> All All we got in our information was

2004
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:27,960
the typical blanket information.
>> City it was just the generic generic

2005
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:30,719
ashtrays, and I think we are on the
when you ask the PPW director, we asked

2006
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:36,280
them.
>> Lens said city owned, correct?

2007
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:41,880
» City owned, yes, which was not
>> So, then So, thank you. So, if it was

2008
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:47,040
city owned, right? So, that means that
there isn't an issue with the

2009
02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:50,000
resident that paid the money. The issue
is now the money came from the wrong

2010
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:53,360
fund.
So, if it was not this one, then it was

2011
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:56,040
going to be this one. So, either way,
money had to be moved. It was just a

2012
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:59,760
matter of were we going to pay the
resident

2013
02:19:57,200 --> 02:20:05,120
» Let me just ask this to maybe clarify.
So, regardless of what variety of trees

2014
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:10,320
in the subway, whether it's an ash or an
oak, we share 50% of the responsibility

2015
02:20:08,120 --> 02:20:15,080
because it's public right-of-way, so to
speak, right?

2016
02:20:11,960 --> 02:20:21,800
So, following that concept, I I would
think that whatever PL was

2017
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:26,840
passed for the removal of ash trees,
unless it says also subway, if it just

2018
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:32,920
says we need to remove them from our
park spaces, city-owned properties,

2019
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:34,120
maybe the clarification should just be
that

2020
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:37,240
» No.
>> It didn't include that.

2021
02:20:35,240 --> 02:20:42,640
» a second. Cuz it says city-owned, and
actually

2022
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:47,080
number or letter C
sitting here has also not been

2023
02:20:44,960 --> 02:20:52,040
reconvened, and part of the question in
that is who owns the right-of-way.

2024
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:56,680
Because questions in the past is
when it's convenient for the city, I own

2025
02:20:54,560 --> 02:21:00,840
it as the right-of-way. When it's
not convenient for the city, you know,

2026
02:20:58,840 --> 02:21:04,000
or vice versa, you know, then we do
that. So, to your point about the the

2027
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:08,360
city-owned right-of-way, well, now we're
just the city is just shirking

2028
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:11,440
responsibility and say, cuz I maintain
you put it there.

2029
02:21:09,880 --> 02:21:15,160
You should be responsible for it. We
also said in the previous administration

2030
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:18,040
about trees in the subway, we said we're
not doing it anymore, but yet we're

2031
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:21,880
still doing that. We also have codes
that say no permanent things in the

2032
02:21:19,640 --> 02:21:26,200
right-of-way. Tree's pretty permanent.
So, we have all these codes talking

2033
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:30,800
about this stuff. So, but it says
city-owned, and I believe to to your

2034
02:21:28,600 --> 02:21:35,480
question, the ash tree was kind of
something different. That's why we also

2035
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:41,000
allotted money to take down not dying
and dead trees. It was an ash tree

2036
02:21:38,440 --> 02:21:44,560
thing. So, I would just be prepared to
say just, you know, that person should

2037
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:49,240
just have, unless you can show that the
13, those people all went halvesies and

2038
02:21:47,320 --> 02:21:51,320
the ash tree didn't do it, just refund
their money and then it comes out of the

2039
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:55,400
ash tree fund.
>> No, but they're they just answered it.

2040
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:58,640
They said that it was it was uh
right away. So, if that was the case,

2041
02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:02,880
we'll we'll just roll with that. If it's
right away, that means that that money

2042
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:07,520
should not have come out of the ash tree
fund, it should have come out of the

2043
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:09,520
other fund that we use for trees.
>> Is that right?

2044
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:13,240
» And that means money needs to be
transferred from the one tree fund to

2045
02:22:11,480 --> 02:22:16,200
the other to reimburse because you're
just going to come to us and say, "Hey,

2046
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:19,480
we're short X amount of dollars for
these trees." Well, that's because you

2047
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:20,480
just used the wrong fund for the wrong
treatment.

2048
02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:25,240
» You feel that?
>> So, that's where I was going with that.

2049
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:28,760
It's either this person is reimbursed or
we need to transfer the money back to

2050
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:32,800
the proper fund. That's all it was. It
was it really was a minor living with

2051
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:37,280
1,900 bucks or something like that or
but I mean, hey, I'm good. I don't do

2052
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:41,160
the audits here. Right.
I'm good.

2053
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:42,040
We can we can we can literally just drop
it.

2054
02:22:41,604 --> 02:22:45,400
» [clears throat]
>> And and be done with

2055
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:48,800
» I did that get that answer. I mean, it
makes sense by you, but I mean, if we

2056
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:52,280
were allocating money for the ash tree
removal, then why were they charged

2057
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:54,840
themselves? They're just going to come
to us for more money.

2058
02:22:53,394 --> 02:23:01,840
» [clears throat]
>> So, the whole question was

2059
02:22:57,640 --> 02:23:07,440
were the true ash trees in the subway or
your way included in the overall count?

2060
02:23:05,400 --> 02:23:08,600
If we know that answer, we know the
other.

2061
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:13,320
» Mhm.
>> That's all we need to know. Is were the

2062
02:23:11,320 --> 02:23:17,400
ash trees in the subway in the right
away

2063
02:23:14,840 --> 02:23:21,600
counted in the total number of trees
that we were looking to take down with

2064
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:24,640
that money? That's that's actually that
answers the question.

2065
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:29,880
» I believe it was.
If you could confirm that.

2066
02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:32,640
» That's all we need to know cuz then we
can figure out the answer.

2067
02:23:30,840 --> 02:23:37,080
» says, "I believe that it was in all
public spaces, parks, right of way, city

2068
02:23:35,240 --> 02:23:40,520
properties, all
city owned."

2069
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:43,240
» I thought I thought they just I mean,
didn't Giant didn't they go all over the

2070
02:23:42,760 --> 02:23:44,760
city?
>> Yes, they

2071
02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:46,120
» I I thought they did.
>> They walked up and down streets.

2072
02:23:45,794 --> 02:23:49,680
[clears throat]
>> Every last tree. They took months.

2073
02:23:47,880 --> 02:23:53,480
» They went and did a They went and did an
inventory and they went and did an

2074
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:58,480
inventory of the entire city. Drove the
streets, went to the park, went to any

2075
02:23:56,160 --> 02:24:04,080
lot you own, the city owns, and they
inventoried every single one of them.

2076
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:08,920
That was included in that.
>> So, if that was included, then we owe

2077
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:10,360
that resident their cash back. That's
what I'm hearing.

2078
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:13,520
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

2079
02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:13,520
» Make sure.

2080
02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:24,120
So, you can have that by the next
committee meeting, Jim?

2081
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:27,840
» I I'll have it tomorrow, ma'am.
>> Please, Stephanie.

2082
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:30,720
Paperless water bills. Vernon, was this
you?

2083
02:24:29,240 --> 02:24:33,080
Or what what was it? Amy, did you put
this on?

2084
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:38,880
» Um yeah. So,
So, we were coming up with a plan. The

2085
02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:42,360
the fee for sending people water bill is
in the mail. How it's, you know, a sort

2086
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:44,800
of
uh

2087
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:49,560
a thing that we want to get away from
because you can do everything online.

2088
02:24:47,560 --> 02:24:55,520
You can uh
check your water bill, you can set up

2089
02:24:51,400 --> 02:25:00,880
your payment plan, all those things. So,
moving forward, we're we're going to be

2090
02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:05,640
sending we'll close we'll be sending out
starting July 1st with the

2091
02:25:03,200 --> 02:25:10,120
uh water bills.
This additional flyer, which will not

2092
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:15,440
cost anything but the but the paper and
the printing, we want to add another

2093
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:19,880
public service announcement to that.
Um we're still figuring out what that

2094
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:26,320
might be, but we think it might be
please disconnect your uh downspouts

2095
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:30,400
because that will be part of our consent
order. So, we want to do both things at

2096
02:25:27,960 --> 02:25:34,400
once to let everyone know.
So, basically, this is what we're

2097
02:25:31,720 --> 02:25:39,120
proposing so that they have July bill,
August bill, and then they make the

2098
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:44,840
decision. If they haven't gotten to us
by then to say, "I just want to go

2099
02:25:41,560 --> 02:25:48,440
paperless, save a buck, keep the paper,
whatever. If they If we don't hear from

2100
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:54,360
them, they'll continue to get their
water bill, but then there's the dollar

2101
02:25:51,240 --> 02:25:57,560
fee, which is to cover postage. As we
know,

2102
02:25:55,400 --> 02:26:01,720
we exceeded our postage, and
you know, um

2103
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:06,600
this is a normal occurrence in the
industry of everything, pretty much,

2104
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:10,320
including municipalities. We're just
sort of late to the game.

2105
02:26:08,240 --> 02:26:14,200
» So, what do you need next from us?
>> Uh I don't really need anything. I just

2106
02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:18,560
wanted to show it and share it.
And and and so that you're familiar with

2107
02:26:16,400 --> 02:26:22,680
it, in case anyone should call you, what
what does it mean? It just simply means

2108
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:27,640
they have to be proactive to make
change, so that they save their buck.

2109
02:26:25,240 --> 02:26:33,560
And if they want to just continue as is,
then you're basically looking at $12

2110
02:26:30,400 --> 02:26:36,280
a year to continue to get your uh
bill in the mail.

2111
02:26:36,480 --> 02:26:40,280
» Looks great.
>> Okay.

2112
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:44,720
» That's all I was going to say. Looks
great. I like it. I'm not a tree hugger,

2113
02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:48,240
but this is something that I believe we
should be doing.

2114
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:50,480
» Yeah, I think we can do that.
>> Yeah.

2115
02:26:52,472 --> 02:26:56,240
» [clears throat]
>> Are you good with that, Jamie?

2116
02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:58,720
» What's that?
>> You good?

2117
02:26:56,920 --> 02:27:02,480
» Yeah, that was good. As far as everybody
else is good, I'm good.

2118
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:08,040
» And then we're going to advertise early.
>> Yep, it's going to July Jerry and I, our

2119
02:27:05,240 --> 02:27:11,680
goal is July 1. The water bills go out,
they're going to get it July, they're

2120
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:15,920
going to get it August, and then it will
not start happening until I guess

2121
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:17,880
September, that they'll be
charged a dollar.

2122
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:19,040
» Socials, too.
>> What's that?

2123
02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:21,292
» Socials.
>> Social media.

2124
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:24,280
» Oh, yeah, and social media.
>> [clears throat]

2125
02:27:22,040 --> 02:27:26,920
» Thank you. Jared, just I just like to
make a comment now.

2126
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:30,760
I I know there's no vote on this, this
sounds like it's already a done done

2127
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:33,720
deal, but I am against that. Uh
and I brought this letter that I got

2128
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:37,320
from Community Bank
back in April, stating that starting

2129
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:40,760
given coupons out, we're going to be
mailing you

2130
02:27:38,760 --> 02:27:45,240
uh your your billing statement, your
loan statement

2131
02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:47,960
via mail no additional charge.
And it's like

2132
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:51,560
I think the residents [snorts] in the
only end pay taxes that's that and the

2133
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:56,680
water
water has a huge surplus in it and I

2134
02:27:54,920 --> 02:28:02,280
know it's only $12 a year and it's kind
of petty to be bitching about $12 a year

2135
02:27:59,160 --> 02:28:05,880
but it's just just the principle that I
mean what else are you going to nickel

2136
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:10,120
and dime our taxpayers for?
Uh and postage is what? Uh 70 cents?

2137
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:14,120
It's what is it 70 cents? We're charging
a dollar so we're charging them 30 cents

2138
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:14,120
too much.

2139
02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:21,680
» Well, I would argue by the time you put
staffing costs and stuff in there that

2140
02:28:20,360 --> 02:28:23,280
we're probably
>> All right.

2141
02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:26,280
» losing 12 cents an hour so
>> Duly noted.

2142
02:28:24,480 --> 02:28:29,920
Um
all right. Finally, C is the

2143
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:34,320
right-of-way committee. Jim, it's
imperative that we get this. It was the

2144
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:38,880
ad hoc committee with Jay Spano, myself,
and then Joe. Can we please get some

2145
02:28:36,200 --> 02:28:43,400
dates so we can start kind of talking
about these issues that kind of keep

2146
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:46,560
coming around with the right-of-way.
There was a lot of issues in the past.

2147
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:52,440
There was some stuff for the
clarification, permitting, etc. So, can

2148
02:28:49,480 --> 02:28:52,440
we get that going?

2149
02:28:56,040 --> 02:29:02,200
» Well, I was going to say frame this out
for me. Something that already you had

2150
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:05,840
established but you haven't met,
haven't had any meetings.

2151
02:29:04,280 --> 02:29:08,520
» It's yes.
It was established. It's not There's

2152
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:11,840
nothing Jim to be answered but there's
no new appointment. It was just It was

2153
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:17,560
in a committee created from here to work
with two council members and and at the

2154
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:20,880
time it was Ben Slotman.
>> And

2155
02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:24,400
so, we're on monthly meetings?
Is it quarterly meetings? What What do

2156
02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:28,320
you like?
>> Just get one set up and then we can keep

2157
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:32,440
it going and kind of get these things
The idea was not to cause issues. The

2158
02:29:30,480 --> 02:29:36,360
idea was to get the code to mask cuz
there's many things in there

2159
02:29:34,280 --> 02:29:39,320
where there's things that aren't right
or they

2160
02:29:37,360 --> 02:29:43,080
contradict each other in terms of like
permitting process. Like who does this

2161
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:46,440
then, you know, you give them a permit
the code enforces the code and then

2162
02:29:45,080 --> 02:29:49,280
there's something else contradicts that.
So it's

2163
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:54,160
to work together and try to clarify all
that stuff. To take out all of that

2164
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:57,320
ambiguity and get it streamlined.
>> Yeah, our goal was

2165
02:29:55,240 --> 02:30:00,920
» In the codes, in the process and and
everything. Like where do they go for

2166
02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:06,000
this permit? Like it says it says to go
here for this one but this one and so

2167
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:09,080
it's it's there's a lot of just issues.
>> Okay.

2168
02:30:07,160 --> 02:30:12,360
» That's that's all it is. It's not some
big

2169
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:15,920
thing where it's, you know, a war. It's
just we're trying to figure out all the

2170
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:21,080
issues the BM and try to fix them.
That's what the role was.

2171
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:24,440
» And who do you want included in within
that?

2172
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:27,680
» It's just Joe, me and it was just Joe,
me and Jim. It was really just it's

2173
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:30,680
informal like a work
thing. That's it.

2174
02:30:31,960 --> 02:30:35,160
» A work group.
>> Sure.

2175
02:30:34,360 --> 02:30:37,080
» Okay.
Work session.

2176
02:30:36,360 --> 02:30:41,400
» Work session.
>> A real think tank. All right.

2177
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:44,440
Um
No new referrals, no committee reports,

2178
02:30:43,160 --> 02:30:47,960
motion for adjournment. Second.
>> Second.

2179
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:50,360
» Zack, are you on the line?
Are you on there? Can I get back to

2180
02:30:49,080 --> 02:30:55,120
» No, I'm not even on your screen.
>> Zack, are you on the line? Say yeah. All

2181
02:30:52,200 --> 02:31:00,200
those in favor? All right. Opposed?
>> I should have left.

2182
02:30:57,440 --> 02:31:00,200
I told her to leave.