[0:00] [laughter]
[0:13] Yeah, some trees today.
[0:43] To the flag of the United States of
[0:45] America to the republic for it stands
[0:48] one nation
[0:50] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[0:52] all.
[1:03] here.
[1:04] >> Councelor Ky
[1:05] >> here.
[1:05] >> Councelor Smith
[1:06] >> present.
[1:14] » Thank you everyone for coming to our
[1:16] special meeting tonight.
[1:21] Um,
[1:27] do you want to discuss
[1:32] how does
[1:54] Item number one, approve the revised 30%
[1:58] design submission for the Veterans
[1:59] Memorial Park and authoriz
[2:28] Yeah.
[2:28] >> Okay, cool.
[2:29] >> Yeah. So, Steve, you want to come on up?
[2:32] Grab the
[2:38] [clears throat]
[2:53] All right. Good evening.
[2:56] >> Good evening.
[2:58] All right. So I have a
[3:02] paper prescue.
[3:25] All right. So slide one, the
[3:29] keep this pretty short. Back in March, I
[3:30] gave the council a much more detailed
[3:33] update that went through every project.
[3:35] Since then, I've also contin
[3:50] since March and what we need to do to
[3:51] keep moving forward. Slide two. What has
[3:55] changed since March? A few things have
[3:57] changed since March. Veterans Park has
[3:59] gone through a lot of work and now we
[4:01] have a 30% design fit within the VR
[4:03] award. The
[4:05] projects are no longer moving forward
[4:07] the way they are originally planned and
[4:10] street and soccer field still moving but
[4:12] outside funding is going to affect what
[4:14] we ultimately are able to do rest of the
[4:17] projects are continuing to move along
[4:20] slide three
[4:22] projects at a glance this slide is just
[4:24] really a quick snapshot of the whole
[4:27] projects are all in very different
[4:28] phases right now some are moving into
[4:31] construction some are still in design
[4:33] some are programs are already helping
[4:35] businesses and we now have a couple of
[4:38] projects that need to be reworked with
[4:39] the state. It's pretty normal with a
[4:42] program this large, especially when
[4:43] projects take several years from the
[4:45] original application to construction.
[4:48] Slide four, streetscape and soccer
[4:50] fields. For streetscape, we're still
[4:52] waiting on some outside funding we've
[4:54] applied for. Because of that, we've been
[4:56] trying to be very careful about how far
[4:58] we move the design forward. We don't
[5:00] want to pay for design or design
[5:02] something and then turn around and have
[5:04] to redesign it and pay more money. For
[5:07] the soccer fields, the 900,000 NPR grant
[5:10] uh that we applied for earlier this year
[5:12] was not awarded. And I did another
[5:15] $200,000 grant application through the
[5:18] New York program for supplemental
[5:21] funding for soccer. So both projects are
[5:24] still very much alive and we're just
[5:26] trying to make sure the final design
[5:27] matches the money.
[5:30] Slide five and the business assistance
[5:32] fund hotel is still moving forward. A
[5:36] lot of the interior demolition has been
[5:37] done and we continue to stay in contact
[5:39] with the project team as they work
[5:40] through the next steps. The business
[5:42] assistance fund is moving as well. Some
[5:44] of those projects are done, some are
[5:46] construction and some are still working
[5:48] through changing paper. I give you guys
[5:51] updates on each one.
[5:53] There's also a lot going on behind the
[5:54] scenes in both of those, but the
[5:56] important thing is council public.
[6:00] Slide six, comprehensive plan and
[6:02] forbased code. The comprehensive plan
[6:05] and form based code projects are also
[6:06] underway. We have committee in place.
[6:08] The consultants are working and we
[6:10] started the community work that will go
[6:11] into both those documents. This one's a
[6:13] little different from the construction
[6:15] projects because there isn't a building
[6:16] or a park to point to, but it's
[6:19] important because it's going to help
[6:20] guide how grows and development is going
[6:23] to look like and the kind of changes we
[6:24] want to encourage over the next several
[6:26] years. Debor and slide seven. This is
[6:30] [snorts] probably the biggest change to
[6:31] the overall DRI since March. Debor and
[6:35] are no longer moving forward as they
[6:36] were initially awarded. The money
[6:39] doesn't just automatically move
[6:40] somewhere else. We don't get to simply
[6:41] pick.
[6:43] So just make that very clear. So we're
[6:45] working with the Department of State on
[6:46] what happens now. They have a process.
[6:49] So for them on some
[6:52] I bought Park and Cal Theater were two
[6:55] of the original projects on the
[6:56] strategic investment plan. Those are
[6:58] what initially is we think the state is
[7:01] going to move on and ask that those
[7:02] projects be funded first before anything
[7:04] else.
[7:06] But until the state tells us exactly how
[7:07] they want to handle it, I don't want to
[7:09] tell council or the public anything that
[7:11] I don't have complete information.
[7:14] Slide eight, veterans memorial park.
[7:17] For the best part, we now have a 30%
[7:19] design. It fits within the DRR award.
[7:21] The current working number is1,58,696
[7:26] and the DRI award is $1,59,000
[7:30] saving $34.
[7:33] That includes the splash pad, the court
[7:35] work, the reduced bath house work, and
[7:37] the veteran. The F-16 is separate. The
[7:41] aircraft itself, moving it, mounting it,
[7:44] the special foundation, train work, and
[7:46] all other costs tied directly to the
[7:48] aircraft are not being paid with DRRI
[7:50] money. Not being paid with DRRI money.
[7:54] And I want to keep saying this because
[7:55] it matters.
[7:57] This is still a 30% design. We are not
[7:59] approving a construction contract
[8:01] tonight. Slide N. What does 30% mean? I
[8:05] think this is one of the biggest things
[8:07] that has gotten confused during this
[8:08] whole discussion. A 30% design is still
[8:11] and currently designed. A yes vote tells
[8:14] us and tells CNS that this is the
[8:16] direction council wants us to keep
[8:18] working from. It does not approve the
[8:20] old 1.7 million estimate. It does not
[8:23] award a construction contract. Does not
[8:25] pay for an F-16. And it does not mean
[8:27] the project can never change again.
[8:30] There are still final design, state
[8:32] review and bidding. Another round of
[8:34] discussion before anything else is
[8:35] built. Slide 10. Where do we go from
[8:38] here? From here, the different VR
[8:41] projects are going to keep moving on
[8:42] different trends. Some need more design
[8:44] work. Some need state approval. Some are
[8:46] waiting on grant decision. Some are
[8:48] already being built or implemented. My
[8:51] job is to keep all of that moving.
[8:55] It's moving on different tracks.
[8:58] Keep the state and consultants
[9:00] coordinated, keep the council updated,
[9:02] and bring things back when council
[9:03] actually decisions. That's really where
[9:06] we are today.
[9:09] This is the end of my DR updates. I have
[9:11] more slides and I have more things that
[9:13] we'll dig into the whole park, but I
[9:16] think I've given this this council, the
[9:19] city, and the community more than enough
[9:21] information on what actual facts are out
[9:23] there and what has been put out as
[9:25] misinformation. I'm happy to go round
[9:27] and round with this stuff over the next
[9:29] four or five slides, but I think it's in
[9:31] the city's best interest move
[9:40] if um and I didn't know if Luke was
[9:42] gonna get to talk a little bit about um
[9:45] you know I know some of the projects
[9:46] have shifted since we started right and
[9:48] something come out and I had I had um
[9:51] families reach out with um some of the
[9:54] popcornies specifically that we're just
[9:56] concerned about the bathroom and I know
[9:58] we don't have it's not in this project
[10:00] now um that added in the future or if
[10:04] not for this can we think about in
[10:07] beyond the like focusing on just
[10:10] preparing a couple of the total
[10:11] foramilies
[10:13] um the feedback I got from a couple that
[10:15] we have 75 people to have the one potty
[10:19] it just gets really challenging for the
[10:21] players so just specifically the
[10:22] bathroom
[10:22] >> I mean it sounds original might
[10:24] something you guys want to
[10:25] Yeah, [clears throat]
[10:26] >> just to clarify too
[10:30] because there was two distinct elements
[10:33] attached to the plane
[10:35] side and the bath house.
[10:38] >> Right.
[10:38] >> So the original scope of work only had
[10:40] the bath house connected to the pool,
[10:43] not plumbing attached to the bathroom.
[10:46] My original understanding was it was
[10:49] that was incorrect. Not an original
[10:50] bathroom. It was only the bath house. So
[10:54] the original design that we had in
[10:55] discussion with Victor we had targeted
[10:58] design that whole thing part of that was
[11:01] you know we didn't have any turnover the
[11:04] stuff came in we didn't know what was
[11:06] where so when we got the original
[11:09] [clears throat]
[11:10] understand the bath house is the
[11:13] designated
[11:15] rooms is a separate activity
[11:18] >> I think that was
[11:21] Yeah,
[11:31] » if you have any technical questions.
[11:50] » Nice job.
[11:57] All right.
[12:01] » You want to clarify further about the $1.7 million
[12:08] discussion. So that came from our wish
[12:11] list of items back in August when we
[12:13] walked the field. The bathrooms were in
[12:15] there. house. We had everything top
[12:19] shelf that we had designed in that which
[12:20] is where the 1.7 obviously that initial
[12:23] design was not where we needed to be and
[12:26] we had to go back and revise the scope
[12:28] inputs from council as well to say hey
[12:30] got to get back closer to the mark.
[12:31] That's where went back to the drawing
[12:33] board and do the redesign the new 30%
[12:35] design which is what is currently in the
[12:37] packet. So the one that's in the packet
[12:39] currently is the 30% design that was
[12:42] done with the input from council as well
[12:44] as recommendations from engineering team
[12:47] with a firm eye towards the financial
[12:48] considerations. So, it's within scope
[12:51] and cost right now with those
[12:53] considerations all [clears throat]
[12:55] I just wanted to briefly just discuss
[12:57] why that number went up to 1.7 and then
[13:00] why it's back down to 1.05.
[13:04] >> Was there any movement on reaching out
[13:07] to Corman or Chapman for donations
[13:11] or anything like that?
[13:14] >> Well, we emailed them for a discussion.
[13:17] I haven't heard response u but we did
[13:20] reach out to them asking if they had any
[13:22] I know a thing out of Connecticut is
[13:24] where the nonprofit is actually now the
[13:26] families over there but it's out of
[13:28] state but I did reach out with an email
[13:31] asking specifically if there's any
[13:33] interest in continum
[13:38] [clears throat]
[13:46] I think I
[13:47] in June.
[13:48] >> Yeah, the one you sent that was not the
[13:50] link though to the to the application.
[13:52] >> Okay.
[13:53] >> Yeah,
[13:53] >> it was their website.
[13:54] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just their
[13:58] >> I can find the application if you want
[14:00] me to.
[14:00] >> If you have an application like more
[14:02] than happy to look at it apply for any
[14:04] additional funding, you know, we're I
[14:07] think this too just to mention this uh
[14:09] we have grants that we are working on
[14:10] for this as well because we do want
[14:12] additional funding for this. Um those
[14:14] grants come in annual cycles for the
[14:16] So, we don't know exactly what we're
[14:18] going to be getting, but applying for
[14:20] the swims grant, you know, that's
[14:21] essential to this to see how much money
[14:23] we can get. We can get more, we can do
[14:25] more. Same with ao fields. We applied
[14:27] for the kicks grant. Um, and that was
[14:29] again, thank you, Counciloman McHugh.
[14:32] That was actually a really nice
[14:33] suggestion. He was like, "Oh, that that
[14:35] works out great." And when we reached
[14:37] out to our state partners about it, um,
[14:39] Alyssa, who's been great to work with,
[14:41] she really, you know, thumped the table
[14:43] and she's like, "The kicks program,
[14:45] right?" So, I think we might have a
[14:47] little success there. So hopefully
[14:49] there's some more. But we are actively
[14:50] pursuing these grants very aggressively
[14:52] because we want to get as much money as
[14:53] we can. That annual appropriation cycle
[14:57] puts us a little bit behind, but we're
[14:59] hopeful that what we've submitted will
[15:01] come back. So that's where the states
[15:04] where we're standing with the grants
[15:05] right now.
[15:06] >> One more question.
[15:07] >> Yes.
[15:08] >> Um to do some of these projects, do we
[15:10] have to match and put up any money? Does
[15:12] the city have to have money to put up to
[15:14] start construction on any of these once
[15:16] we get them through?
[15:18] >> Not to start construction. We did have a
[15:20] match 20% match originally. The original
[15:23] scope of work specifically called out AR
[15:26] funding before my time whatever happened
[15:30] to it. And so there's no more commitment
[15:31] from the city. You know that being said,
[15:34] you know, we went back and designed it
[15:35] underneath the
[15:38] capture.
[15:43] » Correct.
[15:45] I'm also a couple
[15:54] trying my hardest to try to get that.
[16:08] » That's a great idea, but also we could
[16:10] use some money for
[16:14] So sorry I can get you guys. [laughter]
[16:20] » Any other discussion?
[16:23] >> Mayor.
[16:26] >> Um,
[16:27] >> no.
[16:28] >> With this special meeting, we're trying
[16:29] not to we have public comment today.
[16:31] We're not going to have any.
[16:34] >> Sorry.
[16:37] >> Sandy.
[16:39] >> Oh, all in favor is me. All in favor?
[16:42] No. Any obstensions? Motion pass.
[16:47] >> Item number two, receive and place on
[16:49] file
[16:52] 3.7
[16:54] receive on file observed
[17:02] section 3.7.
[17:07] This is just the rece.
[17:16] » Is there no discussion?
[17:22] » 3.7 of the charter
[17:25] that has to do with a past resolution.
[17:26] That resolution failed.
[17:30] >> So it's it's not the veto authority. The
[17:32] dean explained this to me. She will not
[17:34] be here tonight. Spoke with her this
[17:36] morning.
[17:38] It's a separate authority under 3.7 note
[17:41] authority which is a but
[17:44] >> right back on the agenda for
[17:47] >> I quoted it will be every resolution is
[17:49] passed by the common council and then it
[17:52] goes on to say what they can do which
[17:53] would be put it back on I've got no
[17:55] objection to have it back on just that
[17:58] way the agenda reads citing something
[18:03] >> I'm just I just want you to know I did
[18:06] go through this whole thing resolution
[18:10] on the
[18:12] >> I asked when they brought that up
[18:14] because he said he received legal advice
[18:16] elsewhere and I spoke I spoke to Peter
[18:20] >> oh that's why I asked you had any
[18:23] relevant information to share with us a
[18:25] little bit about it
[18:27] >> just by
[18:30] procedurally you can't
[18:33] >> bounce back something unless I got
[18:35] nothing against reoting on it, but to
[18:38] have a written objection, right?
[18:41] This is just
[18:43] >> Can I ask do you still have the detail
[18:46] power?
[18:47] >> Even though you vote with the council,
[18:49] you have
[18:55] to have the executive legislative branch
[18:59] in the same
[19:01] >> kind of interesting. And I just wonder
[19:02] if maybe that was just when we were um
[19:07] drafting the um referendum and the
[19:09] language when we moved to a city manager
[19:11] form of government, you know what I
[19:12] mean? That maybe this also kind of came
[19:14] up last year with the tax cap override,
[19:16] right? It got to be a hiccup because
[19:18] twothirds of seven is confusing.
[19:20] >> You know, it might be a conversation
[19:22] >> for another
[19:24] [clears throat]
[19:25] topic.
[19:41] Yes.
[19:49] » Item number three, reconsiderations.
[19:54] Approve the budget transfer set forth in
[19:57] resolution 2613
[19:59] originally considered and rejected.
[20:12] motion.
[20:15] >> Any discussion?
[20:17] >> I move to amend the resolution113
[20:21] by changing the set amount to 40,000.
[20:29] » I think it's a good compromise.
[20:31] I think I talked to Kyle.
[20:38] » I just think we're
[20:40] pretty much
[20:42] >> because any unused balances go back into
[20:45] the general fund.
[20:46] >> So we're talking about
[20:49] kids baseball Halloween parties
[20:52] [clears throat] want to cut um
[20:55] everything to do with kids. And I not
[20:58] agreed to that.
[20:59] >> I'm just saying that's those are the
[21:01] you're trying to pick from. Correct.
[21:02] >> And that's the only options that we're
[21:04] given this one.
[21:05] >> It's not our place to pick the lines.
[21:06] We're just trying
[21:07] >> It definitely is your place when you're
[21:08] when you don't do a budget transfer. It
[21:10] is your place to tell us where are we
[21:12] going to take that money to pay for gas
[21:14] first for our
[21:30] You guys
[21:33] can only transfer
[21:36] >> otherwise anybody
[21:39] that's hoping you guys could identify.
[21:42] Is that what she
[21:44] >> So when we the way I understood it was
[21:47] to look at the budget as it is and if
[21:48] there's money available to be moved into
[21:50] that gas line I can move that gas.
[21:54] So
[21:55] >> but I can only do that within the
[21:56] confines of 16. I can't go like water
[21:59] department.
[22:03] » Yeah, I I can't do that. But I can I
[22:06] mean I'm happy
[22:08] transfers.
[22:10] >> I'll sit down with because I identified
[22:13] 60 lines that halfway through the year.
[22:16] Okay. Again
[22:20] though like there are a lot of things
[22:21] that don't get used until the end of the
[22:23] year and like again like put music and
[22:26] vendors in there as well
[22:29] comes up. A lot of these things don't
[22:31] get used till the end of the year and
[22:33] again if we don't use them they go back
[22:34] into the general fund right back where
[22:36] we're trying to take out and again I
[22:38] don't want to have our employees coming
[22:40] back and forth to us saying back for gas
[22:43] because they are going to run out. That
[22:46] [clears throat] question, why did we let
[22:48] the tanks practically get dry within six
[22:51] days of dry?
[22:55] » Again, the tank's not big enough. We
[22:56] talked about that last time, but so if
[22:58] the tank dry all day, it doesn't really
[23:00] matter.
[23:00] >> But I don't think it's okay because we
[23:03] never expected them not to accept this
[23:05] general fund transfer. This is how the
[23:07] government has worked since long as I'
[23:09] been a part of it. Long
[23:11] when there's an emergency.
[23:18] » Hey, excuse me.
[23:27] We at least I council was given no heads
[23:30] up whatsoever.
[23:31] >> That's another great point I was gonna
[23:33] mention. I'm sorry. Um, in December,
[23:36] every department had probably most
[23:38] employees knew they got a fraction of
[23:41] their requested budget. So, conservation
[23:43] on all spending should have been enacted
[23:45] in December.
[23:47] >> Um, and just one other thing I noticed
[23:49] in Le's last month report, 81 of our
[23:52] budget lines were already below 50%
[23:56] halfway through the year. So, this is
[23:59] going to keep happening for the next
[24:00] five months. And the general fund, we
[24:02] know we can't let it drop below. We
[24:04] should let it 15. If it drops below 10,
[24:07] the state's in here.
[24:08] >> If those lines are not used, then we go
[24:10] right back here. So, we're doing good.
[24:12] Again, we're halfway through the year
[24:14] and we're
[24:15] so
[24:17] >> 81 lines are below 50%. There's less
[24:20] than 50% less like I'm talking 30%, 14%.
[24:24] >> Some of those lines might be seasonal.
[24:26] >> Correct.
[24:29] » Or you can try to pick and choose. I
[24:32] would love to have more money from the
[24:34] council.
[24:35] I'll certainly be requesting it. Um but
[24:38] it was a very difficult season last year
[24:39] and gas was up gas is up a dollar year
[24:42] over a dollar year today. Diesel's up
[24:44] almost $2%
[24:52] above what you budget though. I don't
[24:54] think the gasation
[24:57] >> I I agree. I think it's we were beholden
[25:00] to the last council to get to that 5%.
[25:03] >> There was nothing we could do
[25:05] >> essentially whatever they wanted they
[25:07] said this is what you have to do to get
[25:09] us to 5%.
[25:11] [snorts]
[25:12] You're right it is under budget. It
[25:14] should be higher. You know that
[25:16] completely agree with you. You know we
[25:18] are one disaster away from you know all
[25:20] this financial issues with the gas and
[25:22] lo and behold we go to war with the rent
[25:24] you know which I consider to be a
[25:26] disaster. Look what happens. So it
[25:28] definitely impacted us.
[25:31] We did build a cost increase into the
[25:33] last budget before gas and diesel but
[25:36] again that increase was rejected or more
[25:39] lines because we had to get it to a
[25:41] certain percentage working with council.
[25:44] I I think it's a fair compromise just to
[25:46] give you some time to look over the last
[25:52] baref
[26:03] [clears throat]
[26:13] about cutting things like I believe the
[26:15] Christmas extravaganza the Halloween the
[26:17] Halloween party
[26:19] Luke's here I I didn't feel comfortable
[26:21] even with that
[26:24] department
[26:25] >> even the last council kept that
[26:29] >> $100 in
[26:31] our
[26:36] [clears throat]
[26:37] operationally this is really challenging
[26:40] to look at how we do things as a city
[26:42] and that the way we've done things to
[26:44] this point, we've gotten here, so we
[26:47] know something has to be different. And
[26:49] you're an expert on knowing how cities
[26:52] function, how to build these systems and
[26:55] efficiency, you know, all those things.
[26:56] And so I would defer to your expertise
[26:58] to know can we change the way we do
[27:02] things to cut cost. So not concretely
[27:05] cutting out no saying cutting out
[27:07] children's happiness like just so you're
[27:10] creative and you have a lot of
[27:11] experience. So maybe something
[27:12] operationally we can shift.
[27:14] >> Absolutely.
[27:14] >> You know, and I think that's what I'm
[27:16] envisioning here. Not just slashing
[27:17] lines, but is there a way we can do
[27:19] things differently to maybe save some
[27:21] money? That's what I'm thinking.
[27:23] >> Absolutely. And those are the right
[27:24] questions, right? And and looking at our
[27:26] operations and how we do things, the gas
[27:28] savings restriction I put in place last
[27:30] week.
[27:31] >> Did you folks have a chance to look at
[27:32] the tracker that I built in the butt,
[27:35] but
[27:37] every week, every Thursday, I'm going to
[27:38] get a gas report. So, I'm generating so
[27:41] I have a to go with 20% reduction across
[27:43] all my departments. That's a little
[27:45] aggressive, but I want them to get as
[27:47] close to that as possible. You know, if
[27:49] we do that, we'll be way under 40,000.
[27:52] So, that's my goal, right? Even with
[27:55] having compromise and getting some money
[27:56] in place, I will continue to keep the
[27:59] gas restrictions in place to the end of
[28:00] the year, maybe even beyond if we have
[28:02] to, depending on how things are going.
[28:04] [clears throat] Because, and I say this
[28:06] to all my department heads, even if we
[28:08] get money in that line and it's an if, I
[28:10] want to see money put back, right?
[28:11] That's what I want to see and that's my
[28:13] directive to them because if you just
[28:15] spend spend spend down, you have to
[28:17] answer to me why you're doing that. You
[28:19] shouldn't just be spending down just for
[28:20] the sake of it. I I refuse to accept
[28:22] that. You know, I need a justification
[28:24] as to why. So, we're looking at ways
[28:26] that we can push back against a lot of
[28:28] the spending. Um, to council Jill's
[28:31] earlier point, you know, $1.6 million
[28:34] last year was
[28:36] too much too much. This year we're at
[28:39] about 273
[28:40] decay which is over 80% almost 81%
[28:44] reduction in general fund spending that
[28:46] is thanks to the discipline fiscal
[28:48] discipline my department has monitoring
[28:50] everything working with Leanne working
[28:52] Jessica getting all our ducks in a row
[28:54] is a testament to the fact that we
[28:56] recognize the last year is not a
[28:58] sustainable practice we can't rob our
[29:00] savings bank anymore to to kick the hand
[29:03] down the road. Unfortunately, as I think
[29:06] we all understand, we have some tough discussions to have. We got to
[29:10] make some tough decisions. And I think
[29:12] that's just the reality right now. So,
[29:14] um I am more than willing to look at
[29:17] anything and and review anything, look
[29:19] at process improvement, how we can get
[29:21] ourselves much more effective
[29:22] operations. There certainly is a lot we
[29:25] can do right now looking at my DPW
[29:29] that we can do. Um but stuff takes time.
[29:33] It takes time and I think as we begin
[29:35] some of these directives and more
[29:37] austerity measures, we'll see the
[29:39] dividends pay off down the road in five,
[29:41] six months. And again, you know, back to
[29:44] the fuel track, right? 30 days from now,
[29:46] we're going to know if the policy is
[29:48] helping and how much it's helping. So my
[29:51] hope is we continue to go in these
[29:52] directions. So it's not just us saying,
[29:54] "Okay, it's a crisis right now. How do
[29:56] we fix it right now?" It's us saying,
[29:58] "We have a structural issue structural
[30:01] issue. organization. We need to correct
[30:02] it. And it's going to be a multiaceted
[30:05] approach. It's not one thing. It's not
[30:06] just raising taxes. It's not just
[30:08] cutting services. It's not just cutting
[30:10] positions. It's doing all those things
[30:13] in a way that makes sense if it makes
[30:15] sense that provides real benefit back to
[30:18] the state. So, it's a much more holistic
[30:20] approach and that's kind of what I'm
[30:22] looking at. And certainly right now with
[30:24] budget season underway, we're working
[30:25] through a lot of our departments and
[30:27] through those budgets right now to
[30:28] identify what is the absolute need. You
[30:30] know, and last year, yeah, we we were
[30:34] very austere and I think, you know,
[30:35] department heads were, you know, not
[30:37] thrilled, but it's going to be a lot of
[30:39] the same again this year. And I'm just
[30:41] very honest with them. So, and I I say
[30:43] it here and and they hear me out there
[30:45] and it's it's what I tell them every
[30:46] day. So, we have to make these decisions
[30:48] and we have to get a rain on this and
[30:51] keep the spending. You know, again,
[30:53] we're looking at our spending, but next
[30:54] year
[30:56] we can rain in even more. Maybe there's
[30:58] a chance to further go down. So, I am
[31:01] more than willing to engage in those
[31:02] discussions and give my recommendations
[31:04] and suggestions. I've already put out
[31:06] some, you know, feelers and some emails
[31:08] originally with some of my general fund
[31:10] ideas. And I call them my hammock
[31:12] thoughts, right? Something will just
[31:13] come to me and I'm like, "Oh, I got to
[31:14] write that down." share with council. So
[31:16] any of those ideas that I bring up or
[31:18] approaches, if one of those, you know,
[31:20] speaks to you, you're like, "Hey, that's
[31:21] a good idea." By all means, you know,
[31:24] shoot me an email, let me know, "Hey,
[31:25] Kyle, I think you're on to something."
[31:27] And we could flush it out.
[31:28] >> I would say anything.
[31:34] » Definitely begun.
[31:53] All right. So, being here
[31:56] [laughter and snorts] because motion to
[31:58] amend it and it was seconded by
[32:01] >> unfortunately because there's two budget
[32:03] items, you can't just throw out a
[32:06] I have to have the separation
[32:09] propos amendment proposed amendment. Um
[32:12] so you can do the allocated to each one
[32:15] of those right now if that makes sense
[32:18] and then you
[32:20] decide you want to do the amended one
[32:23] then that's a regular vote. If you
[32:26] decide no, we don't want to do the
[32:28] amended one, we're just going to go for
[32:29] it. Then we'll go back to the roll call.
[32:32] So I first I need to know
[32:34] >> how you want to split up the 40,000
[32:36] >> 2020.
[32:38] >> And just for point of clarification, you
[32:40] can transfer between
[32:46] [laughter]
[32:51] » just for everybody's happiness.
[32:52] >> Can I just ask this? voting. I want
[32:58] >> Well, I think everyone kind of gets my
[33:00] opinion again. Um, we are literally just
[33:05] doing things in a circle. If the money
[33:08] we don't spend the money in those lines,
[33:09] they go back in the general fund anyway.
[33:10] Why not just give our employees the gas
[33:12] now instead of having them fight for it?
[33:15] >> I keep asking and I don't know how many
[33:17] times
[33:19] the plan's [clears throat]
[33:23] I don't know about you guys, but I was
[33:24] nervous. had to listen to that thunder
[33:26] Sunday night going off thinking you guys
[33:30] generators the power there's all these
[33:33] old air conditioning
[33:36] >> I'm sorry I would assume that now that
[33:38] Kyle's tracking it he'll know
[33:41] >> right now tomorrow if we leave here
[33:42] tonight the tornado hits we lose power
[33:44] do we have enough gas to keep going
[33:47] >> so we so I'll clarify this
[33:49] >> what if we go to zero in gas and these
[33:52] guys get
[33:54] fire goes out and they don't have enough
[33:56] gas to pull a fire truck out of the
[33:57] housing. What is our plan?
[33:59] >> You got 40,000 given to you and you run
[34:01] out the next day. I think there's bigger
[34:03] problems about
[34:04] >> we're not going to pass another 40,000
[34:05] next day
[34:10] coming up though. It's not like all of a
[34:11] sudden you go through 40,000
[34:14] >> again.
[34:17] So doesn't really matter. You know, we
[34:19] don't have an answer. You got lines in
[34:20] here that are
[34:22] >> we still haven't heard from Luke.
[34:23] >> Adult softball, Halloween party,
[34:25] Halloween extravaganza, right?
[34:27] Playground mulch, youth baseball
[34:29] contracts, concert and entertainment
[34:31] contracts. These are the lines we're
[34:32] trying to pull out.
[34:33] >> You guys want to see that?
[34:35] >> Someone was already canled. That was in
[34:37] the last
[34:37] >> You're corre correct. They didn't have
[34:38] enough people. But that's also a revenue
[34:40] attached to it. So it's a wash
[34:43] >> that we don't
[34:45] >> if we don't. There was a revenue on one
[34:47] side as
[34:50] we didn't have revenue. We didn't have
[34:51] the expenditure. You pull that now. You
[34:54] actually pulled
[34:56] that money didn't exist before.
[34:58] >> We said last meeting we cut this budget
[34:59] to the bone. There is nothing else to
[35:02] cut. So I'm just pointing out there's
[35:04] these things on it. We feel that that
[35:05] can't be cut. That is the bare bones.
[35:08] That's fine.
[35:08] >> But there's a revenue on the other side
[35:10] that offsets it. So it wasn't money we
[35:14] were taking out of general fund to begin
[35:16] with.
[35:17] >> It was money that would have been
[35:18] revenue come in.
[35:21] >> So if you now try to take that expense
[35:25] now
[35:37] [laughter]
[35:38] >> we're just arguing about whether it is
[35:40] 20 or 10.
[35:42] Can we just take a vote?
[35:44] >> So this is voting on the motion to amend
[35:47] the budget transfers from
[35:50] 0912
[35:52] separated 20,000 to each one is going to
[35:56] gasoline 401 and one is going to
[36:02] amendment.
[36:09] » Okay. All in favor?
[36:11] >> I do a roll call.
[36:13] >> Well, this one is this one is on the
[36:25] » council.
[36:27] >> Yes.
[36:28] >> Councelor Ki.
[36:29] >> No.
[36:35] » Yes.
[36:38] >> I mean, no. Oh my gosh. I'm a No. Wait.
[36:42] Holy crap. I'm a no. Yes.
[36:47] >> Oh my god. I'm sorry.
[36:48] >> Are you in favor?
[36:49] >> I'm in favor for
[36:51] so
[37:05] » now.
[37:12] to vote on it as it was 2613
[37:16] to leave it with figures as they are.
[37:20] >> Council,
[37:21] >> no.
[37:22] >> Council,
[37:24] >> yes.
[37:25] >> Councelor Smith,
[37:26] >> yes.
[37:27] >> Council Jones,
[37:28] >> no.
[37:29] >> Council,
[37:30] >> yes,
[37:41] Thank you guys all for coming.
[37:48] » I'm gonna stay for a little bit.
[37:49] Anybody's got questions about they want
[37:51] updates. I'm going to hang out and just
[37:53] talk to anyone.
[38:10] How are you?
[38:14] >> Oh, not much. How are you doing?
[38:23] How are you