1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,960 Call this meeting to order. We begin 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,430 with the pledge. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,759 allegiance to the flag of the 4 00:00:11,759 --> 00:00:14,240 United States of America and to the 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,440 republic for which it stands. One nation 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,560 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:27,750 justice for all. 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Welcome to the Anacma Township U 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,719 Planning Commission. U regular meeting. 10 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:38,709 Um 11 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:43,040 we'll introduce ourselves first so you 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,440 know who you're listening to. You ready? 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Ted Evans, 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,559 David Gleason, Chris Ford, and Dave 15 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:54,239 Wallace. Chair 16 00:00:54,239 --> 00:00:57,039 >> Cindy Juan Beckler, Township Trustee, 17 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:59,440 appointee to planning commission. 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,960 >> Thank you. Um 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,879 uh 20 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,799 are there any additions or corrections 21 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:10,550 to the minutes? 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,320 Otherwise, I would entertain a motion to 23 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,040 approve those I mean the the agenda. 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,799 Excuse me. 25 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:20,799 Getting ahead of myself. make a motion 26 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:23,119 >> to to approve to approve. 27 00:01:23,119 --> 00:01:25,600 >> All in favor say I. I. 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,520 >> What was the second? 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,840 >> Sorry. There you are. 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,079 >> Now we're now we're down to the minutes 31 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:35,360 uh of the June meeting. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,320 Um 33 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,400 >> did you get those via email? 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,840 >> Yes. 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,320 >> Um so you do you see the minutes? 36 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:42,799 >> Yes. 37 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:45,759 >> Okay. Um are there any additions or 38 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:47,280 corrections to those minutes? Otherwise, 39 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,880 I would entertain a motion to approve 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,960 those. Motion 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,799 >> support. 42 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,159 >> Moved by Gleon, second by fourth. All in 43 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:59,360 favor say I. I. 44 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:07,270 >> Minutes are approved. 45 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,959 Okay. 46 00:02:08,959 --> 00:02:13,200 Was over there. Um this time we have any 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,670 public comment? 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,160 Seeing none, we'll move ahead. 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,959 Uh first item of business is the um 50 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:29,760 Little Eden special use permit amendment 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,800 approval. Uh 52 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,640 and uh Little Eden came to the planning 53 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:38,560 commission 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,560 and 55 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,239 gases glasses. Here they here we are. 56 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:49,360 um in 2017 uh to get a special use 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,160 permit to do some uh demolition and 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,000 reconstruction. 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,080 And in that process uh they ran into 60 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,599 some 61 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:03,040 um like code requirements, I guess, 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,280 might be the best way to describe it 63 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,879 that uh required some some adjustment to 64 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:12,080 locations and and footprint sizes of 65 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:19,280 buildings. Um and uh this is a um in 66 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,920 planning commission speak it it is a a 67 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,879 minor amendment uh which means it does 68 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:28,640 not need to go through uh public hearing 69 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:32,000 process and which is long and drawn out. 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,280 uh this is something that we can say um 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,959 this is these are nonsubstantive changes 72 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:41,599 um don't change the overall scope of the 73 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:48,470 project and u we should be able to um 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,840 move on on that that request 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,159 Wayne Favor is here from the leaden uh 76 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,400 do you have anything you'd like to 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,640 >> I can just explain what yeah what the 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,239 differences are from what was approved 79 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:02,480 to what we're asking for if you want me 80 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,040 to do that. 81 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,959 >> Well, you know them better than better 82 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:05,760 than I do. 83 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,000 >> So, there's uh there's two buildings 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,319 we're looking to do. The one square 85 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,799 footage wise meets the same square 86 00:04:12,799 --> 00:04:14,640 footage that was previously approved in 87 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,199 our bus use permits. Uh the larger of 88 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:20,239 the two buildings, which is two cabins 89 00:04:20,239 --> 00:04:21,759 um 90 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,199 was approved at 1620 square feet. We've 91 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,479 had to eliminate a loft that was in that 92 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:30,800 cabin um because of state requirements 93 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,240 and also um commercial code has changed 94 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,800 since the original approval. Um so we've 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,880 had to put fire suppression in it which 96 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,600 is adding 187 and a half square feet for 97 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,639 fire suppression. Um, so the the cabin 98 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:50,000 is going to be we'd like to do a cabin 99 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 that's 428 square ft larger than what 100 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,160 was proposed and approved back in 2017. 101 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,680 So 102 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,320 question is 103 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,880 >> and some slight changes in orientation. 104 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,960 It's going to be Yeah, because of the addition that we have to put on the 105 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,960 larger building, the smaller building is 106 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,400 going to um be tweaked off to the side 107 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,000 like 20 ft. Um and the front building 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,639 that was approved on the site plan. 109 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:22,160 We're going to center it between the 110 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,919 stream a little bit better than it shows 111 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:27,280 on the plan. So, our our plan is to put 112 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,960 it right between the two 113 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,880 as one stream, but it circles around the 114 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,639 cabin. So, we're going to center it. So 115 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:42,150 it's, you know, equally spaced early. 116 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,710 » Questions from commissioners? 117 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:52,310 » Well, you 118 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,039 anything? 119 00:05:55,039 --> 00:05:58,080 >> Then I would entertain a motion to 120 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,759 approve this amendment. 121 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:05,840 I'll make a motion. Second. 122 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,039 Move by Aaron, second by Gleon to 123 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:10,960 approve the 124 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,520 um STP 125 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,840 clinic amendment. 126 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:17,840 Um 127 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,720 and 128 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,360 we'll do a roll call vote just for fun. 129 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,510 Arens 130 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,039 » I 131 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:31,360 >> yes 132 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,319 >> Wallace yes 133 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:37,199 Thank you. 134 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,710 >> Put out fires. 135 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,880 » Hopefully your old. 136 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,199 >> Yeah. 137 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:43,759 >> Thank you. 138 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:46,400 Wayne. 139 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,720 Um, 140 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,080 next item on the agenda is a brief 141 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,440 update on Portage Point in. Um 142 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,360 I 143 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,840 was very pleased to learn uh the other 144 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:06,560 day that uh the Portage Point in is uh 145 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,400 making application 146 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,800 to Eagle for installation of a private 147 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,080 sewer um 148 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,520 which would utilize the existing tanks. 149 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,919 I I believe we'll utilize the existing 150 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:27,440 tanks uh by the end and then um do an 151 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,759 underground pipe to the ball field where 152 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,000 the 153 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,599 um rain field would be. Um this is not 154 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:40,080 something that comes under the uh 155 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,560 authority of district 10 [clears throat] 156 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,319 because it's a private sewer and uh so 157 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:50,160 Eagle takes over and uh I don't know 158 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,360 that it's a a quick process but uh 159 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,479 what what is with them um and so uh but 160 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:04,080 this would be a a major step forward um 161 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,120 and would open the door to the rest of 162 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,080 many of the things that uh Bob Gazine 163 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,199 would like to do. Um we can also report 164 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,960 that um the gas dock is is now off the 165 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,039 table. The um 166 00:08:23,039 --> 00:08:27,199 boat ramp is off the table and the boat 167 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,680 barn which was going to be on the ball 168 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,880 field. Uh there will still be a they'd 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,200 still like to do a a maintenance shed 170 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,159 there, but it would be um more of a an 171 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:44,560 office for Duncan and a storage building 172 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,080 for 173 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,600 um 174 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,080 portage point in 175 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,120 equipment, tractors, um lawnmowers 176 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,560 and the like. um but is not being looked 177 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:01,920 at as for boat storage. 178 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,680 So that's what we know and uh we will 179 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:08,160 hope that uh 180 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,720 this uh plan will work. 181 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,760 Mr. 182 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,800 already had uh uh Nordland Associates 183 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,760 um to do the design work for that system 184 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,080 and uh they have another company that 185 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,990 they're working with who 186 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,399 knows about how this type of a sewer 187 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:37,920 system can function well. So, 188 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,360 >> has there been any more dialogue about 189 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,959 the lot and getting things removed from 190 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:48,640 the lot? And now I understand there is 191 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,920 concern about bladed property at the 192 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,436 inning 193 00:09:53,436 --> 00:09:55,839 [clears throat] at the 194 00:09:55,839 --> 00:10:00,230 board meeting last night. 195 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:00,880 » Um, 196 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,080 >> yes. 197 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Well, the the biggest the biggest 198 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,120 problem at the ball field is the sheet 199 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,640 steel. Um and 200 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,399 um I think Mr. Gazan still intends to 201 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,079 replace the existing seaw wall because 202 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:22,880 it's only 8ft pilings and I've heard 203 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,839 rumors that it's perhaps washing out. Um 204 00:10:27,839 --> 00:10:31,030 and 205 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,040 I haven't heard anything about um 206 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,920 anything on the let's say the in 207 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,880 property properly. I I do know that I'd 208 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,480 like to encourage uh them to look 209 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,920 towards um a PUB 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,839 which 211 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:54,800 um in the original DVU permit a long 212 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,480 time ago 213 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,640 um the planning commission said 214 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,519 u oh you want to be a waterfront resort 215 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,680 fine you're a waterfront resort oh you 216 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:08,959 want a PUB oh fine you're a PUD and and 217 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:10,800 That's not the way the PUB process 218 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,839 works. There's paperwork involved. Um 219 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:14,800 and [clears throat] most of that 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,839 paperwork um Gazan already has 221 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:23,040 um with um the biggest thing he would 222 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,959 need to do is a site drawing with 223 00:11:24,959 --> 00:11:29,120 dimensions on it. But uh I've spoken 224 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,600 with county planners and uh we think it 225 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,040 would be a good avenue for him to pro um 226 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,720 proceed with to give him the 227 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,320 um flexibility to 228 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,839 um work with the um the old casino 229 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:49,680 location 230 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:53,910 uh without difficulties. 231 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,399 So that's what I know. Any 232 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:01,519 questions out there from anyone? 233 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:02,640 >> Yeah, if you're inviting them, 234 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,079 >> I'll invite a question because 235 00:12:04,079 --> 00:12:06,480 >> Well, we can wait till the public 236 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,839 comment or 237 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:09,760 >> Well, it's on your it's on your 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,000 >> Well, I'm just You said flexibility to 239 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,200 work with the casino. What? 240 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:21,920 >> Well, to do what? um a um 241 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,079 without a PUB 242 00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:27,760 um any kind of 243 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,079 new construction has to meet zoning 244 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:32,240 codes. 245 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,440 Um he's an RR3 246 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,959 and um now most of his property is 247 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:40,720 grandfathered 248 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,680 there forever. But if but new 249 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,160 construction would have to meet road 250 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,839 setbacks and all kinds of things. A PUD 251 00:12:49,839 --> 00:12:52,720 offers some flexibility because you 252 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,760 you're doing some open space and some 253 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,760 uh and he's got plenty of he's got 254 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,399 enough acreage that he can meet those 255 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:05,519 requirements. We I believe. 256 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:08,560 >> So at what point will he need a major 257 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,440 amendment to the SU? I mean, these are 258 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,360 positive changes, but I mean, they're 259 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,160 major changes. 260 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,480 >> The the the SUP will have to be looked 261 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,680 at to remove some of those things, which 262 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,240 he's no longer planning on doing. I 263 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,959 mean, it's got a it's got it's got a a 264 00:13:26,959 --> 00:13:30,399 gas in the SU. If he's [clears throat] 265 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:32,240 not going to do that anymore, we need to 266 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,760 get that out of the SU. Mhm. 267 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,399 >> Well, another consideration too is, you 268 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,959 know, the big issue back, what was it, 269 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:44,720 2017 when this was approved was parking. 270 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,959 And so part of the parking, there were 271 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,120 like a hundred spots 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,839 in the boat barn. So, I mean, that's 273 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:53,519 always going to be an issue over there 274 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:55,600 depending on how much more he plans to 275 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,639 do. Wow. 276 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,639 >> So, I'm concerned is the is the drain 277 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,199 field or whatever he's doing how many 278 00:14:01,199 --> 00:14:02,639 square feet is that kind of 279 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:05,519 >> he's got he's got plenty of room I've 280 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:09,120 seen preliminary sites and he's got 281 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,120 plenty of room for a drain field. It's 282 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,040 not um it's not like a water treatment 283 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,079 plant that takes 284 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:20,959 acres and acres. Do you know when he I 285 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:23,440 noticed over there that the utilities 286 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,600 have all been at least the gas lines all 287 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 been flagged. Spicer was over there 288 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,440 surveying the rightway. I 289 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,160 >> I have no idea what that's about. 290 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,560 >> I assume has something to do with 291 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,440 >> could [laughter] 292 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,880 >> it goes all the way it goes all the way 293 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,519 from to the ball field and stuff. 294 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:44,079 >> He wouldn't he wouldn't be doing that 295 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:47,839 work this soon. I don't think 296 00:14:47,839 --> 00:14:50,639 not without a a more positive sign from 297 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:53,199 eagle. 298 00:14:53,199 --> 00:14:57,670 >> He's got to have his 299 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,240 » um 300 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:58,959 >> Yeah. 301 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:03,120 >> I have a question that if if he were to 302 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:10,240 be able to put in his drain or into the septic system, would this uh allow 303 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,880 him to put in a culinary school like he 304 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:13,519 talked about? 305 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:15,440 >> No, the culinary school is history. 306 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Okay. 307 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:21,680 >> He'd like he'd still like to he has the drawings for the hotel 308 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,600 um renovation and of course it that 309 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,920 renovation hinged on a septic system. 310 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,480 Um, and he'd like to put in a restaurant 311 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,839 for and a and a kitchen for that 312 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:42,240 restaurant and not the 4500 square foot 313 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,480 kitchen he was going to put in for the 314 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,079 culinary institute. 315 00:15:46,079 --> 00:15:47,920 >> This would be able to this would allow 316 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,680 him to have a restaurant. 317 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,120 >> Oh, and still he'd still have the 318 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:51,839 restaurant, but 319 00:15:51,839 --> 00:15:55,120 >> regular restaurant. 320 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,959 >> Okay. No. Did he say is this like a 321 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:01,279 regular like gravity sewer or a step 322 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,920 system? Don't know. 323 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,079 >> I don't care. 324 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:07,920 >> Stay tuned. 325 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,920 >> Did he say what he's Is he has he got 326 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,759 permission from the road commission or 327 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,040 what's the status of 328 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:13,839 >> I don't know. 329 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:14,639 >> Stay tuned. 330 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:16,240 >> Okay. 331 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,639 >> I'll go over and ask them. 332 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:21,680 >> Be my guest. 333 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:27,360 >> Okay. Moving right along. Um 334 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,040 we were approached by uh Networks 335 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,199 Northwest who was uh working uh up in 336 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:37,040 this area as many of you may have read 337 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,560 in the newspapers that uh um Manasty 338 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,199 County is kind of a uh a daycare desert 339 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:48,560 and they were looking at ways that they 340 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,720 could make um communities more 341 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,480 accessible for uh daycare opportunities. 342 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Um Networks Northwest has uh drafted 343 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:07,360 language for a um an amendment to our 344 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:12,640 zoning ordinance. Um and there is grant 345 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,240 funding from the community foundation 346 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,880 um which will pay for um the the 347 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,360 publication of the of the public hearing 348 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:26,559 notice. It'll pay for the drafting of 349 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:32,480 all the language. Um it uh and so 350 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,000 the 351 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,640 only cost we would probably incur would 352 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,679 be um a review by our attorney u just to 353 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:44,640 look at this and say you know yeah I've 354 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,400 seen I've seen about 10 of these come to 355 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,240 be by my desk for all the other 356 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,240 townships that are doing it and I think 357 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,160 uh um the village is you 358 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,400 >> yeah we're we're done with our draft and 359 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,160 the public hearing is scheduled next 360 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,200 month. 361 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,960 >> See? Well, so we have um 362 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,840 this uh definition and and uh and then 363 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,960 uh amendments to all the different 364 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,039 zoning classifications. 365 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:17,440 And uh 366 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,880 I'd like to see this uh move forward. We 367 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,640 would have a public hearing on it and uh 368 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,320 and then uh recommend 369 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,240 action by the township board to add it 370 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:39,270 to our existing zoning ordinance. 371 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Any 372 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,120 reactions? 373 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,360 Jimmy, I see you. 374 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,600 I don't know if Metrics Northwest struck 375 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,559 out the location 376 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:52,240 requirements 377 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,919 and nothing was added back into that 378 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:57,440 separation 379 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,360 between the group daycare homes which 380 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,559 can be up to 14 kids 381 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,880 as you hear Florida. I know in the 382 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,160 village we we left it did modify it a 383 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,080 little bit. Um the village also had the 384 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,840 village didn't have anything when it came to this other than allowing 385 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,280 them but we put in there um that 386 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,320 um one licensed group daycare phone had 387 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,000 to be at least 1,000 ft [clears throat] 388 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,480 travel distance from another or 300 389 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,280 supplies 390 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,039 um 391 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:37,120 and 392 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,120 from from 393 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,160 my experience. You get two group daycare 394 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,760 homes 395 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,520 next to one another or even one 14 kids 396 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,840 out in the backyard screaming during the 397 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,880 summer months. Uh kind of disrupts, you 398 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,240 know, the neighbors and especially if in 399 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,960 this area there's a lot of retirees and 400 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,039 older people than they, you know, you 401 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:02,080 might perhaps 402 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,559 >> you might want to you know, separate 403 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:06,160 them a little bit. I don't know if 404 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,320 you'll get a group daycare home in this 405 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,960 area. It's possible. I know I know 406 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,280 there's uh from what I understand 407 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,640 there's a waiting list to get into the 408 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,679 daycare facility of the schools. 409 00:20:17,679 --> 00:20:19,840 >> Uh so we know that so we know there's a 410 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,400 need in the area. Uh but that that 411 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,960 really is what he's smiling about. You 412 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,120 know, if you'd like to share with the 413 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,840 other members the villages like draft 414 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,360 language, I'd be glad to send that out 415 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,760 when you email. Well, and we could check 416 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,919 with Mike Sakola as to what his 417 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:39,520 reasoning was for the leading in the 418 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480 township. 419 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,200 Um, 420 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,760 >> and I know it's to it's to encourage 421 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,000 these types of uses and and they are 422 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 very valuable use. Uh, but I think it's 423 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,640 important for for the communities to be, 424 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,320 you know, sensitive the neighbors and 425 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,559 where these where these locate. 426 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:01,120 >> I'd like to see the reason. And then we 427 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:06,400 also put in language that if if a 428 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,240 proposed daycare facility didn't meet 429 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,240 the spacing requirements that the 430 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,840 planning commission could approve it 431 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,480 anyway subject to a to a public hearing 432 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,880 and getting input, you know, from the 433 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,760 neighbors. So, if it wasn't it wasn't a 434 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:26,549 slam the door on if you don't meet those black and white numbers, 435 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,159 but I'll send it out. 436 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:33,029 >> All right. [clears throat] 437 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,440 So, 438 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,440 >> has has Jody been involved in any of 439 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,480 these so far? 440 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,360 >> I am. I am very involved with the child 441 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,880 care and um but I don't know why it was 442 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,039 excluded. I think it's a good point, but 443 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,679 I also think the ability to wave, you 444 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:52,400 know, if if it's not included is a good 445 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,679 one. I'm going to ask Mexico 446 00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:57,520 myself too or at least let them know 447 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,880 that you'll be reaching out, 448 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,320 but we'll see. Um, but you know, being a 449 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,919 parent in the area, it was very 450 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:08,080 difficult to find it was very difficult 451 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,360 to find there. 452 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,120 >> Just because we lift the regulations or 453 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:12,640 make them easier to get through doesn't 454 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,799 mean that we're going to magically have 455 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:16,400 more daycarees in the area. It just 456 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,159 makes it a little bit easier for anybody 457 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:20,960 who would like to. That's my view. Oh, 458 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,039 the other thing that the village did was 459 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,840 substantially reduce the fee or at least 460 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,280 recommending it right now uh at $150 461 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,679 because in speaking with Mike, he said 462 00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:33,440 our notification requirements for 463 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,760 something like this through the the 464 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480 local newspaper is about $90. 465 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,640 Uh uh and then so then we just set up a 466 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,880 little 7150 467 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760 uh but you're going to have mailings uh 468 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,240 and then you know a little bit for staff 469 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,880 time 470 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,840 but I think I think the township is 750 471 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,600 for an SU. 472 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,320 >> Yes, that's 473 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,320 >> that's pretty steep to ask uh you know a 474 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,400 homeowner or a mother who might be 475 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,600 staying home with their two kids you 476 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,159 know to spend you know $750. I think 477 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,720 that I think that's pretty hot. 478 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,545 >> Work for free for the first month. 479 00:23:12,545 --> 00:23:14,000 [laughter] 480 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,400 Watch these kids for free. I think we 481 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,080 should get a cut. [laughter] 482 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,240 >> Yeah, 483 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,200 >> I will. I do wonder um if since I've 484 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,799 been invited to to speak, I do wonder if 485 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:31,760 there are suggested distances between 486 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,120 different daycarees so that we could 487 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,039 find if we do decide that we want 488 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,039 something if there's a standard set that 489 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,440 so it's not just an arbitrary distance. 490 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480 >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's tough. I mean 491 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,400 when you look at model ordinances you're 492 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,799 going to see a lot of 1500 and 493 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,200 recognizing the need for it in the 494 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,799 community and you know even 1500,000 495 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:57,039 feet that thousand feet is still quite a 496 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:58,960 bit spacing and and as a crow flies 497 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,520 you'll see a lot of 500. We decided, 498 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,880 well, let's let's let's lower it down to 300 because a travel distance, you 499 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,159 could just go right around the block and 500 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:09,760 you could have the two rear yards above 501 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,159 one another if you if you don't have in 502 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,000 there something about property line to 503 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:20,149 property line. 504 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:24,640 » So, would you like to 505 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,120 wait for some some clarification on some 506 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,960 of these items before [clears throat] we 507 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,080 push it forward or would you like to get 508 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,070 it in the hopper and 509 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,480 assume we're going to get some answers 510 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,400 and we would still be able to modify it 511 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,039 at the public hearing. How much lead 512 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:46,799 time do you need between now and our 513 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,279 next meeting before we have a notice of 514 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:50,400 today? 515 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,880 >> 15 days. 15 days for public. So, we have 516 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,880 two weeks after this meeting to get 517 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,000 everything 518 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,120 >> put together before we notice it. And 519 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,909 that's coming in at the last minute. 520 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,600 » I'd say go ahead with it because you can 521 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760 always modify it, 522 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,360 you know, or if you have a public 523 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,840 hearing, you don't have to make a motion 524 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,480 to either approve or or I guess deny. 525 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,320 You could always just table it for, you 526 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,320 know, to another meeting as well. 527 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,400 >> But if we were wanting to incorporate 528 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,200 some of the village language in it, 529 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,799 wouldn't we have to have a new public 530 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:30,390 hearing? 531 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,279 No, 532 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,159 >> one one required public hearing at that 533 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,880 public hearing discuss what the changes 534 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:45,190 may be. [clears throat] 535 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,799 » I'm listening. 536 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,000 >> Yeah, I'm fine with moving it forward as 537 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,880 long as we would have the ability to 538 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520 possibly incorporate similar language 539 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,000 that the village is using. And I think 540 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,960 my thought process with that is if in 541 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,200 fact it was acceptable. I just feel 542 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,880 anytime 543 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,919 the village and the township can mirror 544 00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:11,039 each other on a lot of different issues, 545 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,720 especially something like this, it makes 546 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,960 sense to me rather than having the 547 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,120 village have one standard and the 548 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:22,470 township have another. Yeah. So, 549 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,039 » okay. 550 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,520 >> One thing that um with this ordinance 551 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,480 amendment, Mike tried to do is unify it 552 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,720 across the county because they looked at 553 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,039 it as a county project which is why 554 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,159 we're involved, right? 555 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,080 >> And they looked at everybody to try to 556 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,760 bring it all to the state regulations 557 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,960 that are out. 558 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,720 >> So, it is very 559 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,799 >> close. Right. Other than the comment 560 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,080 that made 561 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,440 >> because Yeah. Because everybody had 562 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:54,549 their own take on that. Yes. 563 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,360 » So, 564 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,559 >> do we need a motion on this, do we? 565 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,159 Well, actually, you can do public 566 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:03,120 hearing 567 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,480 >> to set up the public hearing. 568 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,039 >> Okay. Well, I'll offer a motion that the 569 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,200 planning commission accept for public 570 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,200 hearing uh an ordinance with regards to 571 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,559 uh uh consideration of zoning code 572 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,880 amendments involving child daycare. 573 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,950 >> Second. 574 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,480 » Okay. 575 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,960 Do we need to specify a 576 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,760 >> what's the date? 577 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,440 >> A date. 578 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,830 >> Yeah, I think that's a good idea. 579 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:45,750 So it would be the September 17 meeting. 580 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,590 Okay. 581 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,960 Any other discussion? 582 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,919 All in favor say I. I. 583 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,399 >> Okay. So, we need you to do a little 584 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:01,760 homework and as we get answers, we'll 585 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,240 keep you all informed 586 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080 and 587 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:12,470 um 588 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,799 so we could still make 589 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,440 minor adjustments up to the publication 590 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,320 date or or 591 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,919 >> hearing you can make adjustments. 592 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:27,200 >> I know. But if but when we publish if we 593 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,760 could publish with some of the answers 594 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,279 to some of these questions it would be 595 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,159 nice. 596 00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:35,120 >> Yeah. 597 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,990 >> All right. Thank you. 598 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Um 599 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,399 the next thing on our on our agenda is 600 00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:47,440 um article 1012 601 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,960 which is a section of the ordinance um 602 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640 dealing with um roads 603 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,279 um public roads, local roads, minor 604 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,799 roads. 605 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,320 Um 606 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,399 and uh 607 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,679 this was on our agenda 608 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:08,799 um largely for 609 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,159 um a u 610 00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:15,919 a residence a local resident issue with 611 00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:19,279 access to his property which we've since 612 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,799 found another avenue to address. 613 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:28,240 But Jody, you still have concerns about 614 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,840 >> 1012. 615 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,360 >> I do. It's um it's a every summer 616 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,559 activity that I have to um try to apply 617 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,919 1012 and it's really difficult for 618 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:42,480 property owners to get through. First, 619 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,120 we're using we use private roads and 620 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,720 undeveloped platted roads in the same 621 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,039 context, but they're different. Buted 622 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,760 roads are owned by the township and 623 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,279 private roads are owned obviously by 624 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,159 the, you know, site condos or what or 625 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,240 the deed holders or whoever owns that 626 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,000 private road. And so applying standards 627 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:12,240 for both of them is very difficult. And a lot of times 628 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,000 like this would work really well if it 629 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,360 was a brand new road. If we were 630 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,360 creating a brand new neighborhood with a 631 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,799 brand new private road that ran through 632 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,039 it, this would make sense. But we don't 633 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,480 have a lot of that development 634 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,399 happening, especially in the resort 635 00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:27,039 residential. We have plotted roads that 636 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,320 people have twotracked and built um 637 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,559 beautiful homes on along the lake shore. 638 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,320 And then we have the last person who 639 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,559 wants to develop the last parcel on the 640 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,240 road. And um they're caught holding the 641 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,760 bag per this ordinance to develop the 642 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,440 road and establish a maintenance 643 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,360 agreement with all their neighbors that 644 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,559 have already been using the road and you 645 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,720 know maybe don't want to enter that 646 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,960 maintenance agreement. [laughter] hand 647 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,039 or like you know they see that if they 648 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,399 enter this maintenance agreement their 649 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,080 neighbor gets to develop it. It it gives 650 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,720 a lot of control where um and a lot of 651 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,559 difficulty for that last person wanting 652 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:10,159 to develop. But there's been numerous 653 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,200 um examples. Ivan Hoe is one. If you 654 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,840 guys have ever driven on Ivanho the 655 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,640 going towards the water it's very I ran 656 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,240 into the UPS truck out there. I couldn't 657 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,919 even believe the UPS truck could get out 658 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:24,799 there. Um, but there's a new house out 659 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,120 there. And then we see it on High 660 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,520 Street, which is up in Pierport, which 661 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760 is a plattered road. 662 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,039 Um, and so there's a lot of difficulties 663 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,480 getting through this. So, I think if we 664 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,360 read it as a whole and thought about 665 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,840 separating private from unflatted roads 666 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,919 and what we really want people 667 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,960 responsible for and what um, maybe 668 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,880 private road owners should just be 669 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840 responsible for or new roads. And then 670 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640 also the township attorney wants us to 671 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,720 look at this um because there's platted 672 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,120 roadways on the beaches. And then 673 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,159 there's the new repairarian rights 674 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:08,559 um new it's you know 20ish years old now 675 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,559 that the 676 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,640 private property owners have repairarian 677 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,399 rights out to the water whether there's 678 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,480 an undeveloped road there or not. And 679 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,039 so, especially on the Lake Michigan 680 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:20,399 side, they want to put out their Lake 681 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:23,440 Michigan um boardwalks to get down to 682 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,360 their beaches and things, but it has to 683 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,000 go over this public 684 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,399 platted roadway. And so the township 685 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,200 attorney has a some opinions on how we 686 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,360 can make it possible for the repairarian 687 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,200 rights to be um 688 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,840 acknowledged and then also remain in 689 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,360 compliance with the zoning ordinance 690 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,840 because right now it's not as clean as 691 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,799 we'd like to see it. 692 00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,720 I have some suggestions. I have a marked 693 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,320 up copy. You guys don't have a copy of 694 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,960 that. But if we're doing text 695 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,799 amendments, you know, or if we're 696 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:57,919 thinking about it, I know we're going to 697 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,480 be starting in October. So, I'll be 698 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,440 pushing my wish list of amendments that 699 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,799 have been an issue as probably next year 700 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,080 as we move through it. But um if you 701 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,880 this is the one that continually comes 702 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,720 up and we kind of we want to administer 703 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,080 exactly as it's written but 704 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,640 it's it's just very difficult to find a 705 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,720 way through. Everybody gets caught in 706 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,000 the net and then we just don't see 707 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,320 development. They just fall off. They 708 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,000 just stop communicating with me because 709 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,720 at the at some point there's no reason 710 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,039 there's no way to get through it. 711 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,200 So, what are like the top one or two 712 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,279 issues that that these potential 713 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,360 homeowners would have with it that that 714 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,880 makes them walk away from it? 715 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,279 >> The private road maintenance agreement 716 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,679 is [clears throat] one and then the 717 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,799 difference between 718 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,679 unplatted roads and private roads. If 719 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:57,600 it's um an unplatted road, 720 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,720 um I I'm not sure. This is where we 721 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,159 would want to talk to our township 722 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:05,519 attorney. But can a 723 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,120 citizen 724 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,800 develop 725 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,599 do we want a citizen developing 726 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,280 platted roads that are the township 727 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,960 property, 728 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,639 you know, or or does the township want 729 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,040 to be involved in that? Do we not care? 730 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,599 Do we is it okay? Do we want to see two 731 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,760 tracks back to mansions because that is 732 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,720 the the way that the resort residential 733 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:29,919 works around here. It's um 734 00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,079 >> well, from a first responder 735 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,200 >> perspective, I certainly wouldn't want, 736 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,520 you know, a two track going back to a to 737 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,919 a large home, you know, five, six, 700 738 00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:41,839 feet off off a main road. 739 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:46,240 >> Yes. Yeah. And some are um treacherous. 740 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,679 I've been stuck in the Ford Escape in 741 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,440 the winter at the bottom of a hill. 742 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,440 Luckily, the property owner there has a 743 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,839 shovel for me, but I've been stuck out 744 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,079 there in the winter trying to get out. 745 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,960 And so, I don't know how we want to look 746 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,200 at it. I we need to look at it and 747 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,960 figure it out. Um, but I don't know what 748 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,560 the right answer is. And I don't expect 749 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480 you guys to know either, but reading it 750 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,520 and trying to apply it and see all the 751 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,920 different scenarios. I'm available for 752 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,839 those types of discussions if you guys 753 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,000 want to get into it deep. 754 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,079 >> Do you want to send us your markdown? 755 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,880 Yeah, that'd be helpful. 756 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,560 >> Yeah. I I'd like to see if you ruled the 757 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,560 world, how would you write it? 758 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,400 >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. 759 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,400 >> If I could speak on that, she I've 760 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,119 talked to her. I'm one of those property 761 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,480 owners that has five acres that's off of 762 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,000 Clark Road. Um and there's a paper road 763 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560 that the township owns there. And I've 764 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,280 been for one year trying to talk with 765 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,040 the township and try to access this to 766 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680 get that that's the only way to access 767 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,560 this property line is to access it 768 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,720 through a paper road that the township 769 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,599 has. And moving forward, you know, 770 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,680 according to the regulations, you 771 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,359 basically want to put a road in that is 772 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,760 like better than the county road that 773 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,680 actually goes into this paper road that 774 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,119 the township has. according to the the 775 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,520 regulations that were written in this, 776 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,839 you know, these ordinance. So for an 777 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:25,119 amendment like she was talking about to 778 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,880 make it where it's it's accessible for 779 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,839 you EMS or whatever is obviously very 780 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,320 reasonable but at the same time to have 781 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,720 a 20 foot wide 782 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:41,520 um road with a foot of um 783 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,920 gravel and I'm the only one that's going 784 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,839 to utilize it because all the other 785 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,480 property owners that would actually even 786 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,560 touch it have deeded easements from 787 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,880 roads somewhere other than that paper 788 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,880 road. It really doesn't make a lot of 789 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,560 sense. Like she said, why somebody's 790 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,800 going to develop it according to an 791 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,640 ordinance that you have driveways all 792 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,000 over the township that are two tracks 793 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,160 that that are basically the same thing 794 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,720 that I I need to do is access my 795 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,359 property through that township paper 796 00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:15,040 road. So, I mean, like I said, I've been 797 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,880 dealing with the township and with 798 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,720 talking with David and everyone about 799 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,160 this so we can try to, you know, come to 800 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,119 some kind of, you know, 801 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,880 >> I I remember hearing the discussion 802 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,560 about your property at the township 803 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,880 board meetings and and I think probably 804 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,280 your property would be one that would be 805 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,160 part of the discussion of of how we can 806 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,480 modify 1012 807 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,160 to 808 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,760 uh 809 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,960 try to try the best we can to address 810 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,320 situations uh like this one. Uh 811 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,839 um and but uh you know the uh the 812 00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,960 difficulty in making adjustments to the 813 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,800 ordinance is it affects [clears throat] 814 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,800 everyone. 815 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,280 So, right. Just because we fix it for 816 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440 >> we fix this problem doesn't mean we're 817 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,400 not creating 15 other problems 818 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,560 >> somewhere else. 819 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,720 >> Can I did you are you going to talk 820 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,320 about the you were there? So, go I 821 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:22,880 didn't see that. 822 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,320 >> I was going to bring it up. Yeah, we 823 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,359 received um an opinion from an attorney 824 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:33,280 and unfortunately we got it very late at 825 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,400 our meeting and there is another issue 826 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,320 that rose up with that because the 827 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,680 belief is that that is not a paper road 828 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:53,910 that it is privately owned. 829 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,240 Well, like I said, you know, 830 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,320 >> well, I I mean, your question is still 831 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,000 well taken. Well, my my point is is when 832 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,200 you have 833 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,280 >> when you have these I mean when you talk 834 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,280 to the township supervisor and you talk 835 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,680 to the county road commission manager 836 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,240 and you know you're kind of in this gray 837 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,400 area that you guys are talking about but 838 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,760 you're being told that yes this is you 839 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160 know a township road and so you move 840 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,839 forward on purchasing property based on 841 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,920 what is being told to you by the people 842 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,119 that are that should know this stuff And 843 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,960 then all of a sudden, you know, you find 844 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,520 out something totally different later. 845 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,040 You know, there there's got to be kind 846 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,040 of, you know, I mean, why does it show 847 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,359 that it's there if it's not really 848 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,200 there? You're Lenny, right? 849 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,520 >> Yes. Yeah. I mean, you know, you should 850 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,440 get a copy of that. It's not wasn't 851 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,680 attorney client privilege from the clerk 852 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,839 on Monday or maybe you can send it to 853 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:55,760 him because I think it basically says 854 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,599 uh Richard Wilson wasn't able to figure 855 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,240 out who actually owns it. 856 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,400 >> Somebody from 187 857 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040 it's not it's not it's not on the I mean 858 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,119 to a point the first part of it my 859 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,839 opinion is it's part of the plat park 860 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,079 edition but beyond that kind of where 861 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,200 that first driveway peels off Yeah. Who 862 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,400 owns it? 863 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:16,720 >> Yeah. 864 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,040 >> Well, you have to look at the dedication 865 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,520 on the plat typically. Typically, it'll 866 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,880 tell you that 867 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,920 >> it's not in the rightways and so forth, 868 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,079 walkways, whatever might be is dedicated 869 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:29,040 to the public. 870 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:29,599 >> Correct. 871 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,800 >> And then in that case, then 872 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200 >> the private individual doesn't own it. 873 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,480 >> That's a different discussion. 874 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,960 >> But this this property is not within a 875 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,520 plat. 876 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,839 >> Oh, it's not within a plat. It's next to 877 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:44,720 it's like dead unplanned space that does 878 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,839 appear to look like a paper road 879 00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:50,800 >> and divisions have been based off from 880 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,359 this dead space that which is what Lenny 881 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:54,800 is referencing. 882 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,760 >> But then when we do some really deep 883 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,280 research, we have discovered that 884 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,560 >> it's just dead space. Dead unplanned 885 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,760 space. 886 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,068 >> Quick. 887 00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:09,200 [laughter] 888 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,880 Well, it's it's kind of like the old 889 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,560 way. You just kind of I mean, honestly, 890 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,720 a lot of people would just put a road in 891 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,720 and never even tell nobody and then it 892 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,800 just kind of like is a road that's there 893 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,440 and you you utilize it and nobody says 894 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,599 anything. But that's not, 895 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,119 >> you know, that's not the correct way of 896 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:25,920 doing things. 897 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560 >> Okay. Well, 898 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,480 >> hence the need to look at 1012. 899 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,280 >> Yeah. 900 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,760 >> Okay. They're waiting for you. 901 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,560 >> Thank you, Jody. 902 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,240 >> You're welcome. Um, 903 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,240 move on. Any public comment? 904 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,880 >> I just had a question on the daycare 905 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,640 ordinance because I don't know anything 906 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,880 about it. Are these these are in homes? 907 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,480 Is that what we're talking about? 908 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,920 >> Mhm. 909 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,119 >> The daycare s in people's homes. So, are 910 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,280 those like licensed, regulated? 911 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,440 Absolutely. Number of kids per square 912 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,200 foot, all that stuff. 913 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,560 You you want to see what these what 914 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,000 these 915 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,319 >> I'll I'll say moms that that want to run 916 00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:05,680 a daycare out of their home what they're 917 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,880 up against when they start looking at 918 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,640 the state regulations for these things. 919 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,880 It was what like 37 pages. 920 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,440 >> Huge. 921 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,000 >> But yeah, 922 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,879 >> it comes with it own handbook. And 923 00:42:14,879 --> 00:42:15,920 [laughter] 924 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,119 >> basically these regulations just say we say what the state says. If the state 925 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,720 says it's fine, researching 926 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,240 those regulations and I didn't see 927 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,000 anywhere that it that the state would 928 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,240 require in writing that the the outside 929 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,079 clearing has to be fenced. 930 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:33,119 >> It suggested 931 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:33,839 >> Yeah. 932 00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:35,119 >> I didn't see that it was an actual 933 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:36,319 requirement, though. 934 00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:38,560 >> Well, my daycare doesn't have a fence 935 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,760 in, but she's in the middle of the 936 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,480 woods, so I think it could be like 937 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,880 situational. If the kid runs away into 938 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,240 the woods, then [laughter] 939 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,000 >> you miss a kid, they'll show up with 940 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,894 army. 941 00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:51,200 » [laughter] 942 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,040 >> Okay. 943 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,119 Um, 944 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,520 public comment 945 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,160 >> any 946 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,430 >> that was it. 947 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,680 » Then without objection, I'm going to 948 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,119 adjourn this meeting. Thank you very 949 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:07,760 much. 950 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,400 >> Thank you. 951 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:24,790 >> Yes. 952 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:42,230 reimburse. 953 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,680 » I'll be seeing I'll be seeing John 954 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,880 later. I'll tell him back. 955 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,400 He wants to make a change, right? 956 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:48,880 >> Um, 957 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,160 >> we're going to knock it down, you and I. 958 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,640 >> Oh, yeah. 959 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,800 >> Yeah.