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Good evening everybody. I'm going to call the public session

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of the Meeting to order.

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Meeting was called to order at about six 50 in closed

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session to discuss litigation and affordable housing.

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I'll just restate the Open Public Meetings Act.

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Notice of this meeting was published in the official

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newspapers and prominently posted in Borough Hall

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and filed with the municipal clerk in

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accordance with the requirements.

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The Open Public Meetings Act.

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We'll do the Pledge of Allegiance. Council, president Kelly

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Pledge Allegiance To the flag

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of the United States of America,

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Thank you. May we have a roll call, please.

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Laura Air Close. Here.

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Mr. Kelly? Here. Mr. Tassian? Here. Mr. Kern? Here. Mr.

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Olo? Here. Ms. Sarah? Here. Mr. Banfield here.

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Okay. Presentation.

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I'd like to invite up is Lillian sch Berg. Here. Mr.

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Come on up and talk to us about your gold project.

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Hello and good evening. My name's Lillian Sch Berg.

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I'm 16 and I'm going

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to be a junior at Riverdale High School.

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To give you a better idea of who I am, I'm the president

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of the Robotics Club.

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I do girls varsity.

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I'm on the girls varsity team for golf,

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and I've been a Girl scout for roughly eight years.

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I've been a member of Troop 9 69 50.

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Since moving to Orell almost five years ago,

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I'm working towards earning my gold award,

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which is the most prestigious honor one can

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achieve as a Girl scout.

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As some of you may know, the Girl Scout Award requires over

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100 hours of time and dedication to a specific issue.

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I seen my community after much deliberation.

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I decided to focus on period poverty.

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Here in oral period, poverty is a term to describe

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the inability for one to afford menstruation products

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as access to hygiene facilities

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or receive an education on menstrual health.

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A couple weeks ago, I walked around town to

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investigate oral's, public restrooms, including Deepak

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Memorial Park and the Oral public library.

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I noticed that all the restrooms were clean and well kept,

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but they did not have pads or tampons.

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The question I would like to answer by the end

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of my project is if toilet paper is free in public

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restrooms, why aren't menstrual products?

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When our residents begin their periods in public spaces,

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some have no choice

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but to go home to get the products they need.

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Many of our re residents, including myself, want

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to use public spaces without having to cut our visit short.

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Half of our residents menstruate,

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but our public spaces do not recognize it.

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It comes down to whether we want to provide for everyone

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or be dis discriminatory.

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Our residents shouldn't be restricted from

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comfort and inclusivity.

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One of my goals for my project is

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to install free menstrual product dispensers in

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oral public restrooms.

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I understand that money is a question

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and that is why I would like to talk to my town council

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and approach in a solution.

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From there, we can decide if raising money would be best.

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I, I propose installing these dispensers

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with the help of Ant Flow.

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Ant Flow is a company dedicated to making

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period products freely accessible in all public restrooms.

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Ant flow has been, has already reached universities,

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airports, libraries, and government offices.

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I, I am eager to see ant flow reach ell soon.

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Now I'm only in the early stages of my project

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and the real work will not, will not begin until I receive

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approval from you and the Girl Scout Committee.

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Your approval would mean the world to me

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and so many others here in town.

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It would also allow me to proceed with my project.

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I would like to thank Ms. Leon for

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putting me on the agenda night.

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I would also like to thank my mayor

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and town council for your time

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and consideration. Thank you.

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Thank you very much. Lillian,

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does anybody have any questions?

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No, I just, I just wanted

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to say it's a very worthy project

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and I think particularly as girls are growing up, it's nice

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to know that there's someplace in a bathroom

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where they could get what they would need if they needed to.

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And so thank you for thinking of the project. Of course.

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Everybody's good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright.

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Good luck with your project. Thank you. Good luck.

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Thank you so much. I look Forward to working with you.

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who's handling the calendar discussion?

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I am decisive. I like it.

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Short and sweet. So as everyone is aware, we publish

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print a calendar every year, which we spend a lot

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of time putting together.

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and I say this on the record,

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that the printed calendar is not going away,

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but we're trying to be smart about recycling

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and resources and whatnot.

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So in the age of digital, we would like

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to do an opt-in process this year rather than mailing 3000

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plus calendars, not knowing the usage of every household,

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but knowing that, let's just say 50% use it,

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but the calendar would be val available

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electronically on the website.

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Other mediums that people could access if they wanted

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it digitally.

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to consider is everyone by

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by de facto would get a calendar

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unless they reached out to us

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and said at care not to get one this year type thing.

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We'll still have 'em available in the senior center.

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They'll still be available in the borough offices, you know,

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DPW police, et cetera.

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So we're just trying

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to be a little bit more environmentally friendly

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but also give the option for people

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because now everyone uses a tablet.

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But I still use the calendar. It sits on my refrigerator.

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I like having a physical calendar,

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but we know some people don't.

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So I just wanted to put it out there.

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It looks like I did kind of since 2023,

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the printing alone increases on average 8% a year.

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which is like about a thousand dollars to go to all three,

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you know, all $3,000.

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Did I cover all that correctly? Good.

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So just for consideration, I would like to get ahead

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of this sooner rather than later

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and if the council has any feedback, certainly if any of

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of you here tonight have feedback

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or anyone viewing from home, again,

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the calendar is not going away.

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The physical calendar, we will still be able to mail it

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to all the residences who are residents who would want it.

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But we're just trying to be a little bit more

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environmentally friendly.

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So just that's for consideration.

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We would probably have to start the opt in

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or opt out process, whatever we decide shortly

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after Labor Day, because we wanna obviously try

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to get the calendar out in January rather than later.

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How are you planning to outreach to the public?

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So we will, we're gonna work with the seniors

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senior committee Tom.

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We're gonna obviously do it social media,

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we're gonna post it on the website.

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and kind of be a little bit more progressive and electronic.

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Send out email. Like we have obviously

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a list for the seniors.

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We have other lists just really communicated out to any

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of the distribution that we have.

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So the database will be kept on our records, correct?

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Correct. But the other thing Maggie, is, is people can go

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to the Borough website

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and there's a question there that they can, you know,

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opt in, opt out type thing. Okay.

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Alright. The other thing I wondered is last year

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unfortunately the OPTV was left off the calendar

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for the first time in my memory

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with all the awards they've been wi winning

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and with the incredible ability they have

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to give information to our public and keep us informed.

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I wanted to be sure that they were on the calendar this year

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and that that oversight was corrected.

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Yeah, I mean so that's an editorial and I agree with you

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and you and I spoke about that.

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This is just distribution.

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No, no, I understand. But since you brought up

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the calendar, no, understood.

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I just remembered last year being astonished that

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for the first time in decades they weren't a part of it.

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Yep. I have a question.

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Will this be integrated with the Borough calendar

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that's on the website?

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So it would be like the printed calendar, except

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that would be updated on the website so you could

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Yeah, that's a great question Dave.

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Because we're moving to that new platform for the website,

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there'd be some integration from an editorial

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Good. So you wouldn't have to look two places. Correct.

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Good. Well that, that's an improvement. Yep.

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And we, you haven't decided you're looking for input,

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whether it's an opt-in or opt out for the printed

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Right. I mean, you know, negative consent is always easier

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because everyone will get the calendar

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unless you say I don't want it.

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Right. We just never wanna make the assumption

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that you don't want the calendar.

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Thank you. Yep. So just based on that last statement,

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I thought it was gonna be, and you can opt in.

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I think we need, we should just decide what's the easier,

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now that I say that I actually think opt out,

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Everybody's gonna get it, then you're not.

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So here's what I was, my suggestion was Sure.

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I like the negative option.

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If you'd like it correct, you let us know. Yep.

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If you want it. But I also think

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If we don't hear from you, It's

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gonna be online. Correct.

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Or you can, but here's The other option.

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I think there should be a third box.

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I will pick one up at the borough hall.

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That's fair. Okay. We could do that this way.

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It would save us mailing.

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But somebody could still pick up a hard copy. Correct.

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Roger, I'm sorry, you're talking away from your mic

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No problem. So you Wanted to opt in or opt out?

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I want people to opt in. Okay.

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If they want it with the, another checkbox

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that says I'll pick one up at town hall, save us postage

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because we're not gonna print 3000 anymore.

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Correct. The goal would be maybe print a thousand. Okay.

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And so that this way there's, you know,

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a box in availability here.

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I mean that's a significant savings of tax dollars. So

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Yeah. If there, if there's a box

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here, if I do nothing, nothing.

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I don't get one. But I'm come down here and pick one up.

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Okay. I would agree. Yeah, I think that's prudent. Good.

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Alright. So Just a question I have about

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what we think people value most about the calendar.

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Do you think they value most reading about the different

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departments and other things we described?

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Or do you think they like to know

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when things are happening in

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town that they should know about?

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When things are happening? Yeah, when things happen.

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Oh yeah, I, I agree. Is it garbage

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Recycling or garbage? Garbage

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Shoveling The same copy is like year after year.

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Correct. Right. When we talk about the fire department,

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the police department, the this

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or that, I mean stuff probably hasn't been edited in years.

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It's just the same copy. I

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Think that same damn picture where

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where put the snow. So,

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So, so Jim, I think it's phone numbers,

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like easy access information when recycling, when garbage,

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you know when Borough Hall is closed like right.

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So I very supportive. I think it's all a great idea.

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I think there's some things we already have at our

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fingertips that we may just need

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to communicate better to people. Like the

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Recycled coat.

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I'm sorry Jim, you're doing the same thing.

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You're talking completely

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to the left and I'm not quite here.

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Well I'm trying to look at who I'm talking to. That's

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Okay.

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Can you put your mic in front of you somehow? Thank you.

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I apologize, I'm just not

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Hearing you.

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I think that we should better educate folks on some

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of the stuff we have that already does this for you.

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If you want to put Recycle Coach as an app on your phone,

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you can set it up where you're getting reminders

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that tomorrow is commingled.

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Next Wednesday is this No, no tomorrow. Trash pickup. Yeah.

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Don't say that Somebody's awake. Yeah.

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But that's as far as the sanitation and recycling goes.

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Right? Yeah. There are other things where,

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and I know we're looking at our website currently

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and the provider where you can also sign up for the app.

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Englewood has an app where I think Ridgewood has it too,

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where different community activities,

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you'll automatically get that, that badge

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or that that thing scrolling up on your phone saying Hey,

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tonight's concert at Memorial Field at 7:00 PM or whatever.

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And I think that may be most useful to people

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because they wanna know what's going on

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or when they can go see

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what it is they're looking forward to seeing.

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So I think as we think about how

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to perhaps reduce our paper footprint on the calendar,

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maybe we can move this discussion,

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move the chains even further, not so much for next season,

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but look at it in a way that it's forward thinking on

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how we can maybe do some things with some

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of the technology we currently have

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that better communicates.

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Just tells people when things are going on. Right.

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Instead of them having to go look for it. Agreed.

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In addition, one thing I like

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to look at the calendar for is the artwork.

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I think it's really charming to see the,

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the students work.

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So on that note, we, we took a leave of that last year

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'cause the participation had kind

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of dwindled in the prior two years or so.

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It was hard to get as many drawings

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and it made it hard to even fill it.

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So I think we went back to the photography of

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around town this past calendar.

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So I would definitely need to know that direction like now

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because we usually send that memo out to the school

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and then we usually get the deadlines around Thanksgiving

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to get the artwork back.

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So I don't know if that's something you wanna revisit

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or you'd prefer the, the photographs that we've done.

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I, I obviously haven't been looking

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as carefully at the calendar as I thought I was. No, we

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Did, it Was just, it was just this past year

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we went back to photographs.

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We had been doing for many, many years the artwork,

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but it really had dwindled the participation

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to fill the 11 or 12. So

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Actually because you are the OPS liaison

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in school liaison, yes.

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Maybe we could coordinate and reach out to Dr.

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Borough and Dr. Bozos about doing something in short order.

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I'd be happy to do that obviously. Yeah.

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Time timeframe is short. We can, we can talk about that.

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Failing that Sam Trips has certainly has come up

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with some remarkable historic photographs

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and we consider using some of those and we've

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Done that in the past years

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before we migrated

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to the artwork we had done notable residence,

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we had done historical photos.

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We, so he's,

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the historical committee's been very helpful back in the past.

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I think I even have a list of about 10 years worth of themes

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that we had picked somewhere I could pull out,

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I'll reach out to the schools.

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When do you normally send that request to them

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or at the beginning of

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The year?

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I usually send them like right at the beginning of school.

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I send them a letter explaining the whole, usually

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with the theme, 'cause a theme has to be picked because

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otherwise you get a whole lot of different drawings

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and they wouldn't be cohesive in the calendar.

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Right. And then we usually check in throughout the fall

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to see how the submissions are coming.

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We'll do like a gentle reminder and then right

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before Thanksgiving is usually when they would be picked up

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or brought over from.

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And then at one point we had the council kind

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of judging them 'cause we were trying to get a full spectrum

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of submissions from each grade

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and that was what was becoming difficult as well

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of getting enough submissions from each

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grade to be represented.

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But that's roughly around the timeframe so

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that we had a full month to go through

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and select to get to the printer.

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Okay. Yeah. But all of that can be changed.

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Okay. Thank you. Anything further on the

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calendar? Ted? You got what you need?

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I did. Thank you. Okay.

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Next proposed honorary naming ordinance draft.

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Everybody have a chance to take a look at

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what the ordinance committee's been working on?

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Which they, they would eagerly like us to take

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to a vote next meeting since

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I'm the guy that's been holding this up.

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'cause I didn't review it until recently.

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I guess I'll start with a few.

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I know what we're trying to do here.

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I'm very sensitive about putting us in a negative light

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where somebody says I wanna do something to honor somebody

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and recognize somebody.

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And we find that that's not appropriate.

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That's not good news to receive. Right?

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You think you got somebody in such a high esteem

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that you've gone around, you've collected a few things

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and we say, well we don't think that fits the criteria

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or it's not at the level of the criteria

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that we think it should be.

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It would concern me that we would be telling people no if

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that's what we felt as a group.

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Right. The second thing is this almost looks like a menu

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of something I can choose.

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The whole Cona thing is concerning to me

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because while I know this has been done at a few select

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places, I can think of maybe two three maximum.

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What's to stop this from popping up all over town?

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And then do people get confused?

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Because I know in New Milford they have something similar

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and they reference the street the way

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they want to reference it.

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Like K clover's corner, right?

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I'm on Clover's corner

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or whatever versus six 13 Orde Avenue.

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Right. So does the Cona create confusion?

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And again, I know you've put criteria in here that kind

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of outlays generally and you can't get too specific.

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You have to be general about what we think may qualify

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for somebody to be considered.

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We're asking for 30

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or 25 people to sign a petition

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to say we feel this is worthy of consideration.

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We have over 8,000 residents in town.

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I mean having a street named like look around, right?

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We got mayors, slain soldiers in battle astronauts,

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astronauts, there's, there's very significant things

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that decisions have been made throughout time

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to recognize people in a way.

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And, and I think we do need something

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to handle that process.

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'cause it shouldn't be flying by the seat of our pants

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and whatever group of us is up here at

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that given time makes it decision one way versus another.

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But I'll relate this to something I dealt with

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at work, which is like the naming of benches and,

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and dedicating trees.

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So what happens when something breaks

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and the instance of a bench or a tree dies?

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Are we obligated to replace that?

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I know we talk about the fact

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that there's some language in here

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that says there's a limitation on it,

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but are we really gonna take an honorary naming off the

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street sign poll after 25 years?

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Who's tracking that?

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So I think there's difference between honorary naming

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and sponsorships

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or somebody says, Hey, I want to donate a bench

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or I wanna donate a tree.

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I think we can all talk about

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that in the same kind of a thing.

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And, and I'm not saying that this is bad work product

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that's, don't take this the wrong way, please.

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I'm looking at the ordinance committee.

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I know you guys have had this for quite some time.

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I think that we need to bake this thing a little bit more.

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And I think that the council should really, as a whole,

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should provide you comments back on.

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I'll certainly do it on, on my point.

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But you know, we say things like multiple code namings

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of the same street corner is discouraged.

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We just say it's not allowed. Right, right.

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Once a street corner has been done

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or a street's been named, we're not taking

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that person's name off the thing.

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I thought it was great to see that somebody needed

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to be deceased for this to happen so

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that we don't name something

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after somebody, then all

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of a sudden they do something stupid

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and we've got this thing named

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after them that we have to go take down.

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Right. That's happened before. Not nor to thankfully.

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But Yeah,

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those are just some of my initial takes on

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having some experience with this and,

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and reading what we put together there.

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The one thing I wanted to say was I didn't see anything in

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here and maybe I just, I didn't look at it.

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That allows the council to act as of right

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outside of this process.

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Like what if we decides or, or,

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or we discuss amongst ourselves something that we should do

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for somebody, but nobody's come forward

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with a signed petition with

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however many names and a proposal.

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Are we not allowed to do that?

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Or do we have to go through that process? I think

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Ourselves, I'm

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Thinking point E, unless I think you they are capturing

485
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that there, I have some of the same kind of comments,

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but the Borough council may also in its discretion grant,

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the naming where the proponent sets forth the rationale,

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which not exactly.

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Yeah. So it's not, that sounds like it's giving

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the council some

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Discretion. I'm sorry, Tom, where

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Could you point E It looks like point

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Yeah, page two.

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Yeah. To the mayor's point. But

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So mayor, I wanna address some of these concerns.

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So I think the ordinance,

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and we discussed this in the committee for a long time, is

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that it really gives one a driving mechanism for streets

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to be named in this honorary process

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that we didn't have before.

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That's the first thing. The second thing is, at the end

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of the day, it is, you know, boiled down to, to everything

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at the mayor and council's discretion.

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So we have until, if somebody comes up with a propo,

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a petition proposal

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Brings it forth.

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We have until I think the end of November,

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November 30th to vote on that.

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So at the end of the day, we could not vote on it.

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We could, you know, if it's in somebody who's in famous

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or somebody who we just, you know, don't want

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to put on a particular, you know,

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sign at this particular time.

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You know, we have the right as mayor

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and council to vote that down at the November 30th deadline.

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So there is a mechanism for that as well.

517
00:23:29,945 --> 00:23:33,525
But all in all, you know, it's just one driver

518
00:23:33,525 --> 00:23:38,085
that we didn't have before to, to place on our ordinance.

519
00:23:40,995 --> 00:23:44,445
Well there is one way to help alleviate some

520
00:23:44,445 --> 00:23:48,325
of the mayor's concerns would be if they came to the mayor

521
00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:52,445
and council first and took a temperature of the mayor

522
00:23:52,465 --> 00:23:54,965
and council before they went out to get a petition.

523
00:23:56,505 --> 00:23:59,765
So it's almost like, let's gauge it

524
00:24:00,465 --> 00:24:03,085
and then if there is an interest and the mayor

525
00:24:03,245 --> 00:24:05,725
and council think that there's opportunity,

526
00:24:06,395 --> 00:24:08,045
then you can go out and get the petition.

527
00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:09,765
Right, Of course. So,

528
00:24:10,505 --> 00:24:13,805
but it's kind of changing the process a little bit. Right?

529
00:24:14,525 --> 00:24:16,405
I don't know, Roger, that sort of makes the mayor

530
00:24:16,425 --> 00:24:20,645
and council very de they make all the decisions.

531
00:24:21,245 --> 00:24:23,085
I I like the idea of the petition

532
00:24:23,085 --> 00:24:24,445
because it comes from the public

533
00:24:24,945 --> 00:24:26,805
and this is, this was an ordinance

534
00:24:26,805 --> 00:24:27,925
that we talked about a lot.

535
00:24:28,145 --> 00:24:29,765
We talked about it several months ago

536
00:24:30,185 --> 00:24:33,885
and it was in response to the public requesting a method

537
00:24:34,105 --> 00:24:35,645
and a procedure and the mayor

538
00:24:35,645 --> 00:24:37,045
asking us to come up with that.

539
00:24:37,745 --> 00:24:40,245
And I'm very happy

540
00:24:40,785 --> 00:24:42,525
to have everybody on the council give

541
00:24:42,525 --> 00:24:43,645
us suggestions and ideas.

542
00:24:44,575 --> 00:24:46,845
Mayor, I thought you had a couple of really good ideas.

543
00:24:47,385 --> 00:24:50,085
We talked about what happens at 25 years, you know,

544
00:24:50,085 --> 00:24:52,685
who's going to be the designated you go rip that one down

545
00:24:53,985 --> 00:24:55,445
and it is, it is a problem.

546
00:24:55,905 --> 00:25:00,045
But there is a li lifespan and I guess we picked 25 years

547
00:25:00,045 --> 00:25:04,565
because that's kind of, you know, the time, the time

548
00:25:04,905 --> 00:25:09,485
of knowledge of people beyond 25 years there begins

549
00:25:09,485 --> 00:25:11,765
of forgetting or, or maybe the people don't live there

550
00:25:11,765 --> 00:25:13,045
anymore or whatever.

551
00:25:14,105 --> 00:25:15,685
But it was an arbitrary number.

552
00:25:16,465 --> 00:25:20,485
And we are John and, and and Dave

553
00:25:20,485 --> 00:25:24,245
and I are completely welcoming of comments and suggestions

554
00:25:24,245 --> 00:25:27,125
and we'll, happy to go back and rework it.

555
00:25:27,725 --> 00:25:29,845
I just, Roger I understand why you're saying that,

556
00:25:29,905 --> 00:25:31,405
but I feel that really makes the mayor

557
00:25:31,405 --> 00:25:34,245
and council, you know, kind of an iron thumb here

558
00:25:34,305 --> 00:25:36,765
and I'd rather have it, the idea was

559
00:25:36,765 --> 00:25:38,605
to let this come from the public if you

560
00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:39,805
had somebody that you wanted.

561
00:25:39,905 --> 00:25:42,805
And it does, as Tom said, it does allow for the mayor

562
00:25:42,805 --> 00:25:45,325
and council to make their own designation if they

563
00:25:46,145 --> 00:25:48,285
see something that seems to qualify for that.

564
00:25:48,425 --> 00:25:50,765
But I think having some kind of procedure

565
00:25:50,835 --> 00:25:52,725
that we can do this is a really good idea.

566
00:25:53,865 --> 00:25:55,725
So a hundred percent on the procedure,

567
00:25:56,605 --> 00:25:59,485
I I'm just concerned about becoming the council of no.

568
00:26:00,095 --> 00:26:03,925
Right. Where we're an arbiter in something

569
00:26:03,925 --> 00:26:05,365
that may be arbitrary.

570
00:26:05,975 --> 00:26:09,525
Right. And you know, we may have very good reason for saying

571
00:26:10,195 --> 00:26:13,885
what we say at the time, but like when you name something

572
00:26:13,885 --> 00:26:17,165
after somebody, this is something very significant like

573
00:26:17,165 --> 00:26:20,325
street, I know we've talked about Cona, we haven't have,

574
00:26:20,325 --> 00:26:22,285
we talked about like if we're naming a new street,

575
00:26:22,345 --> 00:26:24,005
if we had a new street somewhere in town.

576
00:26:24,645 --> 00:26:26,565
'cause that certainly shouldn't have a life expectancy

577
00:26:26,565 --> 00:26:28,165
of 25 years if you're gonna name a street.

578
00:26:28,305 --> 00:26:31,045
No, this is, this is the cona of a street.

579
00:26:31,275 --> 00:26:33,125
It's a different kind of designation.

580
00:26:33,625 --> 00:26:35,565
And I think that's the other thing that,

581
00:26:35,565 --> 00:26:37,965
that's a point if the town, if the mayor and council

582
00:26:38,985 --> 00:26:41,645
and citizens in the town want to name a street,

583
00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:43,725
rename a street to honor someone

584
00:26:43,785 --> 00:26:45,445
that's something distinctly different.

585
00:26:45,835 --> 00:26:48,885
This is a cona and it comes from the public.

586
00:26:49,185 --> 00:26:53,805
And I do think there are, are demonstrated qualities

587
00:26:54,425 --> 00:26:57,125
in c it says honoree should have demonstrated an

588
00:26:57,125 --> 00:26:59,725
extraordinary and consistent voluntary commitment

589
00:26:59,725 --> 00:27:01,565
and dedication to the community

590
00:27:02,065 --> 00:27:05,165
or have contributed significantly to the borough of Orell

591
00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:08,005
or national, national life and have lived or

592
00:27:08,005 --> 00:27:09,245
otherwise are identified

593
00:27:09,245 --> 00:27:11,045
with this community in a substantial way.

594
00:27:11,115 --> 00:27:14,405
It's kind of the way historic houses are nominated.

595
00:27:14,545 --> 00:27:16,565
You know, you, you do a test of, you know,

596
00:27:16,565 --> 00:27:19,485
what's the history here, how long was this person here,

597
00:27:19,515 --> 00:27:21,405
what have they contributed, you know,

598
00:27:21,405 --> 00:27:22,965
what have they contributed nationally

599
00:27:23,145 --> 00:27:25,925
and for what is the reason that we want to honor them.

600
00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:28,885
It seems to me that just as that it allows us

601
00:27:28,905 --> 00:27:31,365
to nominate those designations,

602
00:27:31,535 --> 00:27:33,645
allow historic structures to be nominated.

603
00:27:34,035 --> 00:27:35,685
It's definable in that sense.

604
00:27:35,705 --> 00:27:37,325
And it can be discussed in that sense.

605
00:27:37,785 --> 00:27:39,725
And if we become, become a mayor

606
00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:42,925
and council of no, I'll be the first in to say,

607
00:27:42,935 --> 00:27:45,005
let's have a discussion about what we're doing

608
00:27:45,005 --> 00:27:46,005
Here.

609
00:27:46,005 --> 00:27:50,125
So I I think to the mayor's point 25, to me that jumped out

610
00:27:50,125 --> 00:27:51,285
to me as a low bar.

611
00:27:51,475 --> 00:27:54,645
Okay. To the ma 9,000 residents we have,

612
00:27:55,095 --> 00:27:56,485
especially for parks.

613
00:27:56,505 --> 00:27:59,045
And not that streets are anything minor,

614
00:27:59,185 --> 00:28:02,085
but if we have, I don't know, five or six or seven

615
00:28:02,085 --> 00:28:06,165
or eight parks to the question of the, the where the body

616
00:28:06,165 --> 00:28:09,125
of no that's a, a low bar

617
00:28:10,625 --> 00:28:13,645
to name a park is a, is a massive

618
00:28:14,245 --> 00:28:15,885
monumental honor, et cetera.

619
00:28:16,065 --> 00:28:19,565
And I would think that we're gonna have different opinions

620
00:28:19,665 --> 00:28:21,285
as to who qualifies for that.

621
00:28:21,465 --> 00:28:23,965
And yeah, it's not something that we're gonna take lightly

622
00:28:24,065 --> 00:28:28,485
nor look to change in the future, whether it's 10 years

623
00:28:28,505 --> 00:28:29,805
or 25 years or 50 years.

624
00:28:29,905 --> 00:28:32,125
So that's the first thing that hit me.

625
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,165
If it's a 300

626
00:28:35,425 --> 00:28:38,645
or a thousand sign, now we have a public,

627
00:28:39,665 --> 00:28:42,565
almost a public referendum on whether

628
00:28:42,565 --> 00:28:44,845
or not, you know, there there's

629
00:28:46,205 --> 00:28:47,965
a groundswell to have that.

630
00:28:47,965 --> 00:28:49,525
The other question is, was this from,

631
00:28:50,225 --> 00:28:54,045
I'm assuming other boroughs have something potentially on,

632
00:28:54,945 --> 00:28:57,205
was this a template from another borough?

633
00:28:57,205 --> 00:28:58,725
Yeah, this, yeah, it was

634
00:28:58,725 --> 00:29:01,285
that some other borough has something like this with similar

635
00:29:03,195 --> 00:29:04,965
wording and yes, the naming

636
00:29:05,185 --> 00:29:08,765
or Cona, if the title of this ordinance is naming,

637
00:29:08,905 --> 00:29:11,885
but in general it's talking about coing.

638
00:29:12,065 --> 00:29:15,285
So I don't know if that's just kind of wording

639
00:29:15,285 --> 00:29:17,925
and then all also references making a donation

640
00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:20,005
and now you're going down the slope

641
00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:21,965
of someone's I'm gonna buy the street corner.

642
00:29:22,155 --> 00:29:23,845
Yeah, gonna donate a thousand.

643
00:29:23,905 --> 00:29:27,125
But if someone's gonna willing to donate 25,000, you know,

644
00:29:27,125 --> 00:29:30,885
that that is a kind of a, a slippery slope.

645
00:29:31,585 --> 00:29:33,885
And again, I, I don't know the answers to that but,

646
00:29:35,105 --> 00:29:37,765
and there is wording

647
00:29:37,765 --> 00:29:39,805
to the borough council having discretion, so

648
00:29:41,085 --> 00:29:43,845
the overall discretion and yeah, if we all change here

649
00:29:43,905 --> 00:29:46,925
and somebody names something after somebody

650
00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:49,325
and another governing body comes in

651
00:29:49,345 --> 00:29:51,125
and wasn't that friendly with the other,

652
00:29:51,145 --> 00:29:52,605
or didn't have the same opinion

653
00:29:53,885 --> 00:29:55,165
and they look to take it back,

654
00:29:55,185 --> 00:29:57,485
it looks like they have the power to do that also.

655
00:29:57,545 --> 00:30:00,245
So I, I don't know the answer to that,

656
00:30:00,305 --> 00:30:03,725
but it is just, I just think it's a really, really big thing

657
00:30:03,725 --> 00:30:05,285
that we maybe we need to work on more.

658
00:30:05,285 --> 00:30:07,725
Yeah. And, and just just to clarify, you know,

659
00:30:07,725 --> 00:30:10,845
with the deadline, the reason why we moved the deadline back

660
00:30:10,845 --> 00:30:13,405
to November 30th is that, you know, the council

661
00:30:13,475 --> 00:30:15,445
that particular year will make that decision

662
00:30:15,985 --> 00:30:19,645
rather than having that, you know, go over

663
00:30:19,865 --> 00:30:23,005
to an overlap until another particular council

664
00:30:24,345 --> 00:30:25,525
in in the next year.

665
00:30:26,145 --> 00:30:28,805
The second thing about the requirements is that, just

666
00:30:28,805 --> 00:30:32,885
to be clear, it's actually 30 signatures in a

667
00:30:32,885 --> 00:30:33,925
three block radius.

668
00:30:34,065 --> 00:30:35,925
So maybe a low bar still,

669
00:30:36,305 --> 00:30:39,285
but within that three block radius it's a higher bond.

670
00:30:39,445 --> 00:30:41,285
I guess what really hit me was the park, right? Yeah.

671
00:30:41,405 --> 00:30:42,845
I mean that, that's the big thing. So,

672
00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:46,525
Well how, like what is the cona more envisioned

673
00:30:46,785 --> 00:30:48,965
to be applied on a street?

674
00:30:49,505 --> 00:30:51,005
How do you codename a park? Yeah,

675
00:30:51,005 --> 00:30:52,125
That's what I thought. Also

676
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,005
The Maggie har memorial softball.

677
00:30:55,405 --> 00:30:57,365
I like the sound of that, but I don't think so.

678
00:30:57,365 --> 00:31:00,165
No, I mean that the problem is,

679
00:31:00,165 --> 00:31:02,965
and maybe we needed to do a, a little distinction

680
00:31:02,965 --> 00:31:05,565
because we mostly were discussing cona, right?

681
00:31:05,595 --> 00:31:08,925
Like streets or you know, thing or trees or whatever.

682
00:31:09,545 --> 00:31:12,045
And we weren't considering that, you know, that the

683
00:31:13,025 --> 00:31:16,045
Jim co park would ever be renamed after somebody else.

684
00:31:16,815 --> 00:31:21,365
Thank you. One of the advantages

685
00:31:21,365 --> 00:31:24,845
of bringing an ordinance forward for discussion Yeah.

686
00:31:24,845 --> 00:31:27,925
To the council is exactly this because it's not set in stone

687
00:31:27,925 --> 00:31:30,245
and we can discuss it's, you know,

688
00:31:30,245 --> 00:31:32,245
we can tweak it if we need to.

689
00:31:32,745 --> 00:31:35,845
And, and, and one of the things that

690
00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:38,845
I wouldn't say it concerns me,

691
00:31:38,845 --> 00:31:42,365
but I note is that the petition has signed by a minimum

692
00:31:42,465 --> 00:31:44,965
of 30 people, a majority of whom reside

693
00:31:44,985 --> 00:31:47,005
or have businesses within a three block

694
00:31:47,005 --> 00:31:48,245
radius that's 16 people.

695
00:31:49,145 --> 00:31:51,325
So you need 16 people and another

696
00:31:51,585 --> 00:31:54,765
and another 14 from outside the three block radius.

697
00:31:56,045 --> 00:31:58,805
I don't know if that's too low a bar. It may, it may be.

698
00:31:58,995 --> 00:31:59,995
Yeah.

699
00:32:00,505 --> 00:32:03,645
But is is it, I don't even know if it's a, the,

700
00:32:04,305 --> 00:32:05,845
so a let me say this, thank you

701
00:32:05,845 --> 00:32:07,365
for getting this to this point, right?

702
00:32:07,645 --> 00:32:09,885
I don't want you to think like we're

703
00:32:09,885 --> 00:32:11,085
sitting up here picking it apart.

704
00:32:11,205 --> 00:32:13,525
I think we're having productive discussion

705
00:32:13,665 --> 00:32:16,085
to get this advance, which I know is the goal

706
00:32:16,085 --> 00:32:20,765
of the committee, but the significance

707
00:32:21,025 --> 00:32:23,645
of the proximity to the street sign corner

708
00:32:23,705 --> 00:32:27,605
or whatever versus just the generality of the town, right?

709
00:32:27,605 --> 00:32:29,525
This is something everybody might have an

710
00:32:29,525 --> 00:32:30,805
opinion on in town.

711
00:32:32,185 --> 00:32:34,125
We are a pretty engaged community,

712
00:32:34,905 --> 00:32:37,605
but is it a petition with residents?

713
00:32:38,265 --> 00:32:39,285
Can anybody sign it?

714
00:32:39,695 --> 00:32:40,765
Who's validating? No Residents

715
00:32:40,775 --> 00:32:42,045
who's validating these things?

716
00:32:42,385 --> 00:32:44,245
You know, do they get turned into the clerk

717
00:32:44,625 --> 00:32:47,045
and she, like she does voting petitions, has to go

718
00:32:47,045 --> 00:32:49,005
and verify residency on the thing.

719
00:32:49,065 --> 00:32:51,845
And I think there's just a, a lot of things that

720
00:32:53,265 --> 00:32:54,365
we need to think through.

721
00:32:54,945 --> 00:32:56,845
I'm very, I'll be very happy to share my comment.

722
00:32:56,945 --> 00:32:58,565
When's in the, when does the committee meet?

723
00:32:58,745 --> 00:33:00,245
Do you guys have like a regular monthly meeting

724
00:33:00,245 --> 00:33:01,325
or not a regular meeting, so,

725
00:33:01,595 --> 00:33:02,595
Okay.

726
00:33:02,595 --> 00:33:03,645
It's as needed. We'd be happy to meet again.

727
00:33:03,765 --> 00:33:05,525
I mean we, we'd really appreciate comments

728
00:33:05,715 --> 00:33:06,925
from you and from anyone.

729
00:33:07,385 --> 00:33:10,485
So, so maybe if, if over the next two weeks, you know,

730
00:33:10,485 --> 00:33:13,325
people if they have comments can get comments to John

731
00:33:13,505 --> 00:33:14,525
who chairs the committee

732
00:33:15,025 --> 00:33:17,285
and he can have that discussion with Maggie

733
00:33:17,345 --> 00:33:21,485
and Dave, then maybe we can get a second iteration of this

734
00:33:21,485 --> 00:33:24,805
that encompasses some of those thoughts and,

735
00:33:24,825 --> 00:33:27,765
and gets this a little bit closer to where we can be able

736
00:33:27,765 --> 00:33:29,485
to act on it and it's representative

737
00:33:29,585 --> 00:33:30,765
of our collective input.

738
00:33:31,585 --> 00:33:33,525
But look, this is a difficult task, right?

739
00:33:33,665 --> 00:33:35,885
You, you, you wanna do something that honors someone

740
00:33:36,425 --> 00:33:39,485
but I think we gotta do something that's also mindful of,

741
00:33:40,265 --> 00:33:43,245
you know, this isn't a process that's for sale

742
00:33:43,345 --> 00:33:44,605
or a vanity thing.

743
00:33:44,785 --> 00:33:47,565
Oh, I'm gonna go name the street corner for Dave.

744
00:33:47,705 --> 00:33:50,245
He was, he, he did such a great job fixing the,

745
00:33:50,665 --> 00:33:51,725
the bricks up at this corner.

746
00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:54,765
He is very worthy of it and I get everybody to sign it. Well

747
00:33:54,765 --> 00:33:55,925
He'd have to be dead of course.

748
00:33:56,145 --> 00:33:59,165
Wow. That's a high bar.

749
00:33:59,695 --> 00:34:01,805
Sorry. Still acknowledge him, right?

750
00:34:02,265 --> 00:34:04,325
We just got new sidewalks at Memorial.

751
00:34:04,905 --> 00:34:08,605
So Mayor, just for some context as far

752
00:34:08,625 --> 00:34:12,045
as the council deciding to name something on their own

753
00:34:12,265 --> 00:34:15,005
and the, as long as I've been here,

754
00:34:15,005 --> 00:34:18,005
there's only two things I believe that have been named

755
00:34:18,505 --> 00:34:20,445
by the council solely derived from the council.

756
00:34:21,185 --> 00:34:23,645
One was done and it actually was recorded

757
00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:25,765
with the post office was Lamonica Way.

758
00:34:26,005 --> 00:34:28,205
'cause I believe that's actually a recognized street,

759
00:34:28,475 --> 00:34:31,165
believe it or not now even though there's no properties on

760
00:34:31,165 --> 00:34:33,885
it, 'cause I had to send some stuff down to the post office

761
00:34:34,945 --> 00:34:38,845
and then the DPW facility was named for an employee.

762
00:34:38,875 --> 00:34:41,525
That was, we lost on the job

763
00:34:41,825 --> 00:34:44,565
and the council decided it was presented to them

764
00:34:44,865 --> 00:34:46,005
to name that facility.

765
00:34:46,145 --> 00:34:47,565
And assignment went out in front.

766
00:34:47,565 --> 00:34:50,125
It was a dedication, I believe the family attended.

767
00:34:51,345 --> 00:34:54,965
But the, that was just done internally. It was discussed.

768
00:34:55,325 --> 00:34:58,125
I don't think, I think the street had to be done

769
00:34:58,125 --> 00:35:00,125
by resolution 'cause I had to send it to the post office.

770
00:35:01,585 --> 00:35:03,165
But that just gives you some context

771
00:35:03,345 --> 00:35:07,445
to what's happened in the past to internal naming.

772
00:35:09,275 --> 00:35:10,845
It's probably good that we come up

773
00:35:10,845 --> 00:35:12,805
with some conclusions since

774
00:35:13,755 --> 00:35:16,805
it's not unlikely there'll be some new streets in town.

775
00:35:17,835 --> 00:35:20,965
Yeah, the line and I don't know who gets to name them

776
00:35:21,065 --> 00:35:22,845
but we should think about it. Yeah,

777
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:26,645
Well the first two are Mayor Coth and Maggie and

778
00:35:26,645 --> 00:35:27,645
after that it's open.

779
00:35:28,225 --> 00:35:29,965
Am I going somewhere I'm not aware of yet.

780
00:35:31,185 --> 00:35:33,085
You got me in your sights. Maggie.

781
00:35:33,375 --> 00:35:36,365
Don't mean to be facetious. Well I am too Jo.

782
00:35:36,465 --> 00:35:37,965
Jim, I'm with you I guess.

783
00:35:39,195 --> 00:35:41,485
Alright, if nobody has anything further

784
00:35:41,545 --> 00:35:44,805
to offer at this time, I would just ask if by

785
00:35:46,385 --> 00:35:48,645
two weeks from now we can get John comments

786
00:35:48,645 --> 00:35:49,925
that he can share with the committee

787
00:35:50,025 --> 00:35:51,725
and they can take another look at this.

788
00:35:51,995 --> 00:35:54,565
Hopefully we can advance this forward

789
00:35:54,665 --> 00:35:57,245
and be able to move something with it.

790
00:35:57,245 --> 00:35:59,085
So thank you guys for getting it to this point.

791
00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:01,445
Thank you Mayor. We have any old

792
00:36:01,645 --> 00:36:02,725
business to come before the council?

793
00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:11,245
New business, Councilman Gullo? Sure.

794
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:16,405
So on behalf of the Public Safety Committee,

795
00:36:18,665 --> 00:36:21,805
we would like to host a public safety town hall

796
00:36:22,785 --> 00:36:27,005
on Thursday, September 24th at seven o'clock

797
00:36:27,005 --> 00:36:28,285
here in Council Chambers.

798
00:36:30,205 --> 00:36:35,005
A lot of it is to have an open dialogue

799
00:36:35,155 --> 00:36:37,805
with the community about

800
00:36:38,015 --> 00:36:40,325
pedestrian and traffic safety.

801
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,445
We know it's obviously a very important issue

802
00:36:44,065 --> 00:36:47,725
and it's one that continues to grow shift

803
00:36:49,265 --> 00:36:53,365
and a lot of people have various solutions and opinions

804
00:36:53,365 --> 00:36:54,805
and so we thought it would be a good

805
00:36:54,805 --> 00:36:56,085
idea to gather everyone.

806
00:36:56,085 --> 00:37:00,885
Special session. It will be advertised via the clerk.

807
00:37:02,275 --> 00:37:05,205
What we'd like to do is, in order to formulate the agenda,

808
00:37:05,925 --> 00:37:07,405
we'd like to reach out to residents.

809
00:37:08,505 --> 00:37:11,685
So whether it be a survey online, social media,

810
00:37:11,815 --> 00:37:14,165
there was an email box to

811
00:37:14,835 --> 00:37:18,485
executive assistant Sam Shin in the Borough Administrator's

812
00:37:18,485 --> 00:37:20,045
office starting September one.

813
00:37:20,705 --> 00:37:22,965
And we'll keep it open for about two weeks or so.

814
00:37:23,665 --> 00:37:26,125
Our intent is to gather as much information

815
00:37:26,145 --> 00:37:29,205
as possible about topics, ideas, questions.

816
00:37:31,705 --> 00:37:35,365
The borough engineer is going to be in attendance,

817
00:37:35,845 --> 00:37:38,605
a representative from Safe Streets, the police chief.

818
00:37:39,365 --> 00:37:41,405
We're trying to get someone from Bergen County

819
00:37:42,265 --> 00:37:44,045
to really make it really educational.

820
00:37:44,925 --> 00:37:47,365
An opportunity to really, as a public forum

821
00:37:47,625 --> 00:37:50,285
for our residents to come

822
00:37:50,705 --> 00:37:54,285
and ask questions, offer their opinions.

823
00:37:55,525 --> 00:37:56,885
I think there's been a lot of great work

824
00:37:57,425 --> 00:38:00,445
and there's a lot of good effort on behalf of the community

825
00:38:00,705 --> 00:38:02,885
and this is probably a good way to do it.

826
00:38:04,095 --> 00:38:05,805
While we didn't have huge attendance

827
00:38:06,665 --> 00:38:10,245
at the tax assessors meeting earlier this year, we're kind

828
00:38:10,245 --> 00:38:11,805
of modeling it after what Mr.

829
00:38:11,905 --> 00:38:15,205
An Zino did on a Saturday here in Council Chambers.

830
00:38:15,265 --> 00:38:18,645
So it's really an opportunity for the community

831
00:38:18,645 --> 00:38:20,005
to come special session.

832
00:38:21,625 --> 00:38:24,085
And we're gonna try to get the right experts here in the

833
00:38:24,085 --> 00:38:27,525
room so that people can ask questions and get information

834
00:38:28,065 --> 00:38:29,765
At 7 30, 7 O'clock,

835
00:38:29,855 --> 00:38:30,855
Seven o'clock.

836
00:38:31,065 --> 00:38:32,885
Do you guys need a AV for that meeting?

837
00:38:33,385 --> 00:38:36,565
Yes, we did get confirmation that OPTV is going to

838
00:38:38,385 --> 00:38:43,365
record it and we'll have it broadcast on YouTube TV as well.

839
00:38:43,715 --> 00:38:46,765
Yeah, and I think you may need a larger room, but that's,

840
00:38:46,765 --> 00:38:48,125
That's why I Was, I mean we could,

841
00:38:48,125 --> 00:38:49,325
Yeah, and if you

842
00:38:49,325 --> 00:38:50,885
Wanna broadcast it, you could go upstairs.

843
00:38:51,115 --> 00:38:53,685
They can, I think they can broadcast from upstairs. Yes.

844
00:38:53,985 --> 00:38:56,045
If you publicize it, you're gonna have,

845
00:38:56,165 --> 00:38:58,605
I assume upstairs is more capacity, right?

846
00:38:58,605 --> 00:39:01,605
Yeah, it is. I think so. Yeah. Or

847
00:39:01,985 --> 00:39:04,285
At the, so barring that O ps Yeah.

848
00:39:04,925 --> 00:39:07,085
Capacity wise. Anyone have any thoughts

849
00:39:07,085 --> 00:39:08,765
or comments from the council?

850
00:39:08,925 --> 00:39:11,405
I think it's a great idea. A hundred percent. Okay.

851
00:39:13,305 --> 00:39:18,085
So just next steps I'll work with Sam

852
00:39:18,185 --> 00:39:19,365
to get the survey out.

853
00:39:19,895 --> 00:39:22,885
We'll obviously send it out to some

854
00:39:22,885 --> 00:39:24,325
of our distribution lists as well

855
00:39:24,325 --> 00:39:25,565
as get it out on social media.

856
00:39:26,785 --> 00:39:29,325
And then we will have that web

857
00:39:29,665 --> 00:39:31,565
or the email address available for people

858
00:39:31,585 --> 00:39:33,725
to send in comments as well as questions.

859
00:39:34,305 --> 00:39:38,365
So you could also call Borough Hall as well

860
00:39:38,545 --> 00:39:41,165
and speak to someone if you can't get through to those,

861
00:39:42,285 --> 00:39:43,765
I guess digital mediums.

862
00:39:46,245 --> 00:39:47,655
Okay. Location, TBD.

863
00:39:48,325 --> 00:39:50,495
Okay, great. Thanks Ted. Thank you. Yep.

864
00:39:51,655 --> 00:39:53,295
Anyone have anything else for new business?

865
00:39:54,535 --> 00:39:57,975
I have a question about when one can't attend a meeting,

866
00:39:58,315 --> 00:40:01,015
can, can we zoom in on the planning board?

867
00:40:01,035 --> 00:40:02,935
We were able to do that years ago

868
00:40:03,915 --> 00:40:08,735
and if you're kind of in Zoom attendance, does that count?

869
00:40:08,875 --> 00:40:10,335
Or how, how does one,

870
00:40:11,245 --> 00:40:12,855
I'll let Laura elaborate on that

871
00:40:13,095 --> 00:40:15,695
'cause I think she arranged most of it during COVID.

872
00:40:16,035 --> 00:40:19,095
Yes. But I would, and I know we discontinued it.

873
00:40:19,115 --> 00:40:20,895
We did at a point in time, right?

874
00:40:20,955 --> 00:40:22,815
So that was a subscription fee that we were paying

875
00:40:23,475 --> 00:40:25,655
and then if you're gonna do that,

876
00:40:27,245 --> 00:40:29,935
it's more complicated than the way we do things right now.

877
00:40:30,365 --> 00:40:32,855
Okay. But I'll let Laura talk about her experience

878
00:40:32,855 --> 00:40:33,855
With it.

879
00:40:33,855 --> 00:40:35,455
Oh yeah. Just historically, once COVID hit

880
00:40:35,475 --> 00:40:37,935
and we knew we had to go remote, we had to,

881
00:40:38,035 --> 00:40:39,215
and it was quite difficult

882
00:40:39,215 --> 00:40:42,295
because Zoom didn't integrate well

883
00:40:42,295 --> 00:40:44,575
with purchase orders in government and whatnot.

884
00:40:45,715 --> 00:40:49,455
But we did Zoom meetings for quite a while then

885
00:40:50,255 --> 00:40:52,135
I believe we went back in person

886
00:40:52,435 --> 00:40:55,535
and then when the next winter hit, we decided to go back

887
00:40:55,535 --> 00:40:59,495
to Zoom during COVID and whatnot.

888
00:40:59,645 --> 00:41:02,295
Yeah. And then we came back full in person.

889
00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:05,175
I think we had already paid that year

890
00:41:05,235 --> 00:41:06,535
for the Zoom subscription.

891
00:41:06,595 --> 00:41:09,335
So we like had it as a backup if we needed it,

892
00:41:09,895 --> 00:41:13,615
but we have not, it's not been active for many years now.

893
00:41:15,435 --> 00:41:18,135
It just added a different layer of,

894
00:41:20,155 --> 00:41:23,535
and I think a local finance notice came out about it in the

895
00:41:23,695 --> 00:41:24,895
meantime of how it's governed

896
00:41:24,915 --> 00:41:26,655
and when it could be used and whatnot.

897
00:41:26,655 --> 00:41:30,615
So I'd have to re, re re research that if

898
00:41:31,315 --> 00:41:33,485
you wanted to ever implement that again.

899
00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:38,165
I do know it was limited to,

900
00:41:39,085 --> 00:41:41,325
'cause I had to run it while running the meetings.

901
00:41:41,425 --> 00:41:44,205
So the council would get a separate invitation

902
00:41:44,585 --> 00:41:47,165
to be a panelist so that you can fully participate

903
00:41:47,585 --> 00:41:50,125
and then the public would just be able to listen.

904
00:41:50,375 --> 00:41:53,565
There wasn't a portion of like public comment

905
00:41:53,565 --> 00:41:55,765
where people could zoom in their public comment.

906
00:41:56,525 --> 00:41:57,925
'cause obviously there's no delay button

907
00:41:58,545 --> 00:42:01,885
if something was said inappropriately or, or whatnot.

908
00:42:01,915 --> 00:42:04,765
Like a, anyway, so

909
00:42:05,545 --> 00:42:07,325
it really would be a policy decision

910
00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:10,365
amongst the council whether you wanted to reintegrate that.

911
00:42:12,585 --> 00:42:16,525
But as far as missing a meeting, there's vacancy law

912
00:42:16,525 --> 00:42:17,605
that governs, I think a,

913
00:42:17,645 --> 00:42:19,685
a council person can miss I believe three

914
00:42:20,705 --> 00:42:23,245
in a row without a vacancy occurring

915
00:42:23,585 --> 00:42:27,485
or a certain amount of months, however times we meet.

916
00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:33,085
But if you miss a meeting

917
00:42:34,225 --> 00:42:37,245
and like watch the meeting, it, you wouldn't be counted

918
00:42:37,825 --> 00:42:40,005
as I, Hey, I watched the meeting so it,

919
00:42:40,065 --> 00:42:41,285
it, I'm still present.

920
00:42:41,425 --> 00:42:42,685
You still would be counted

921
00:42:42,745 --> 00:42:44,405
as absent at that meeting as of right now.

922
00:42:45,145 --> 00:42:47,205
So I don't know if you wanna put

923
00:42:47,205 --> 00:42:50,165
that on a meeting in the future as far as reexamining zoom

924
00:42:50,305 --> 00:42:52,805
and I can pull the local finance

925
00:42:52,825 --> 00:42:56,525
notice in the meantime.

926
00:42:57,325 --> 00:42:59,845
I don't know many municipalities that still do it.

927
00:42:59,885 --> 00:43:03,565
I know a couple do it that have a full IT department

928
00:43:06,075 --> 00:43:07,205
with the same features.

929
00:43:07,305 --> 00:43:08,485
Not like a call in feature,

930
00:43:09,075 --> 00:43:10,925
it's just a participation feature.

931
00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:13,365
I don't know if they allow their governing body members

932
00:43:13,585 --> 00:43:14,645
to participate that way,

933
00:43:14,985 --> 00:43:17,725
but some do it for the public to be able to see it.

934
00:43:19,125 --> 00:43:21,805
I also was wondering about the public safety meeting if we

935
00:43:21,805 --> 00:43:23,165
wanted to zoom that

936
00:43:23,225 --> 00:43:26,085
or if people could somehow call in

937
00:43:26,385 --> 00:43:27,485
for questions or something.

938
00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:32,365
I just, I was trying to figure out the most approachable way

939
00:43:32,365 --> 00:43:34,645
that we could get it out to as many people as possible.

940
00:43:34,645 --> 00:43:35,845
It's kind of a second question,

941
00:43:35,985 --> 00:43:37,645
but, so that's why I asked it,

942
00:43:37,665 --> 00:43:39,005
It mentioned it having a questionnaire

943
00:43:39,345 --> 00:43:40,765
pre previous, right?

944
00:43:40,765 --> 00:43:41,885
Yeah. The people will be able

945
00:43:41,885 --> 00:43:44,765
to send in questions for that meeting, right? Yeah. Oh

946
00:43:44,765 --> 00:43:45,765
Yeah, Absolutely.

947
00:43:45,965 --> 00:43:49,845
I mean it raises a technical complication for the broadcast

948
00:43:51,225 --> 00:43:54,725
not in substantial challenge to, you know,

949
00:43:54,825 --> 00:43:59,325
get the audio right and it's doable,

950
00:43:59,505 --> 00:44:01,325
but it's, it's another level

951
00:44:01,915 --> 00:44:03,285
Difficult. Okay.

952
00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:07,285
Yeah. And look, I think if we have a, a successful meeting

953
00:44:07,385 --> 00:44:09,085
and we feel we need to do another one

954
00:44:09,085 --> 00:44:12,485
because there are people that we didn't, weren't able

955
00:44:12,485 --> 00:44:13,885
to accommodate or didn't attract,

956
00:44:14,195 --> 00:44:15,285
then you schedule another one.

957
00:44:16,765 --> 00:44:19,525
I think town halls are, are great to talk about topics

958
00:44:19,745 --> 00:44:22,405
of public concern and we want to hear from everybody.

959
00:44:22,945 --> 00:44:24,525
So nothing says it's a one and done.

960
00:44:24,545 --> 00:44:26,485
We can always, you know, adapt on the fly.

961
00:44:27,285 --> 00:44:30,805
I, I personally feel it's better if we're present.

962
00:44:31,185 --> 00:44:34,525
If you can't be here for a meeting en enjoy your night off.

963
00:44:35,815 --> 00:44:39,085
Right? I mean, you know, we put in a lot of time up here.

964
00:44:39,325 --> 00:44:41,085
I don't think anybody expects us to be here

965
00:44:41,085 --> 00:44:42,205
for every single meeting.

966
00:44:42,705 --> 00:44:43,925
But to Dave's point,

967
00:44:44,045 --> 00:44:46,245
I think the Zoom thing does it is doable,

968
00:44:46,245 --> 00:44:48,445
but it does add a level of com complexity.

969
00:44:49,225 --> 00:44:51,125
We can't even get the monitor in the next room

970
00:44:51,225 --> 00:44:53,445
to work properly half the time.

971
00:44:54,005 --> 00:44:56,445
I would hate to have to have people say, Hey,

972
00:44:56,525 --> 00:44:58,885
I can't participate because I'm raising my hand

973
00:44:58,905 --> 00:45:00,925
or I'm trying to whatever, and you're not answering me.

974
00:45:00,925 --> 00:45:02,365
And it just makes people frustrated.

975
00:45:02,365 --> 00:45:03,685
Yeah. Okay. Thank you so,

976
00:45:04,035 --> 00:45:05,925
Well I just like the public to note, you know,

977
00:45:05,985 --> 00:45:08,485
we really want get information out to you

978
00:45:08,485 --> 00:45:11,325
and it means a lot to us when you come in person

979
00:45:11,705 --> 00:45:13,445
and talk to us and this,

980
00:45:13,445 --> 00:45:16,285
especially this public safety meeting is really important.

981
00:45:16,355 --> 00:45:18,925
It's been a hot topic in Orell for years,

982
00:45:19,345 --> 00:45:21,405
so we would appreciate any

983
00:45:21,425 --> 00:45:23,005
and all of you who could make attend that.

984
00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:25,085
And Ted, thank you for making that happen.

985
00:45:25,535 --> 00:45:28,005
Thank the committee. Okay,

986
00:45:29,025 --> 00:45:30,025
Jim, I have one thing.

987
00:45:30,105 --> 00:45:33,845
Yes. Dave, the Municipal Drug Alliance last,

988
00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:39,405
the last council decided not to renew the,

989
00:45:39,925 --> 00:45:42,205
I guess you call it a subscription to the program

990
00:45:42,945 --> 00:45:44,165
for the coming year.

991
00:45:46,305 --> 00:45:49,685
Was that, was there a discussion about that at all?

992
00:45:50,405 --> 00:45:51,765
I don't recall hearing anything,

993
00:45:52,305 --> 00:45:54,605
but we didn't, we didn't pay into it

994
00:45:54,665 --> 00:45:56,325
for the, for the coming year.

995
00:45:58,225 --> 00:45:59,725
Did is it just one of those things fell

996
00:45:59,725 --> 00:46:00,885
through the cracks or something?

997
00:46:01,185 --> 00:46:02,245
That's a great question.

998
00:46:02,645 --> 00:46:05,965
I don't recall us having any, any discussion of the sort.

999
00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:07,285
I never that we were not gonna

1000
00:46:07,285 --> 00:46:08,285
Participate.

1001
00:46:08,285 --> 00:46:10,245
There's never been a payment that I've known of

1002
00:46:10,355 --> 00:46:11,765
that the boroughs,

1003
00:46:12,835 --> 00:46:14,725
it's been run through the police department. So

1004
00:46:14,785 --> 00:46:16,045
Yes, normally we get the grant,

1005
00:46:16,255 --> 00:46:17,255
Right?

1006
00:46:17,255 --> 00:46:17,645
It's a grant that's filled out.

1007
00:46:17,645 --> 00:46:19,045
You guys pass resolutions in order

1008
00:46:19,045 --> 00:46:20,405
to apply for the grants, right?

1009
00:46:21,415 --> 00:46:23,645
Those are generated usually by an officer

1010
00:46:24,885 --> 00:46:26,645
bringing the resolution to me to put it on.

1011
00:46:26,785 --> 00:46:30,965
But I was never given anything for this coming year.

1012
00:46:31,025 --> 00:46:33,685
So I don't know if that was an internal decision on that end

1013
00:46:34,385 --> 00:46:37,565
to maybe they don't have someone, you know, staffing it.

1014
00:46:37,645 --> 00:46:39,605
I don't, I don't know, but okay,

1015
00:46:39,955 --> 00:46:42,085
Well maybe we can look, look into that

1016
00:46:42,105 --> 00:46:43,645
and dig deeper and find out what's going

1017
00:46:43,705 --> 00:46:44,705
On.

1018
00:46:45,915 --> 00:46:49,525
Yeah, I think that the Municipal Drug Alliance funds a lot

1019
00:46:49,525 --> 00:46:52,325
of good stuff, so gotta make sure that that's set

1020
00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:56,245
if there's nothing further for new business.

1021
00:46:56,845 --> 00:46:59,325
Laura, can you read the correspondence into

1022
00:46:59,325 --> 00:47:00,325
The right please?

1023
00:47:00,325 --> 00:47:02,365
Yes. One item, an email received from Eileen Jones.

1024
00:47:02,365 --> 00:47:05,005
You're concerning a no right. Turn on onto First Street.

1025
00:47:05,595 --> 00:47:08,805
Okay, next on the agenda is adoption of minutes.

1026
00:47:11,485 --> 00:47:12,845
I guess we can handle 'em separately.

1027
00:47:12,845 --> 00:47:13,845
We have four meetings on here.

1028
00:47:13,905 --> 00:47:18,325
May 26th, June 9th, June 23rd and July 14th.

1029
00:47:18,695 --> 00:47:20,565
There was only one absence, Mr.

1030
00:47:20,755 --> 00:47:22,965
Kern was absent from the June 23rd meeting.

1031
00:47:23,235 --> 00:47:25,165
Everybody else was present for all meetings.

1032
00:47:27,715 --> 00:47:31,685
Okay, anybody care to make a motion to approve the minutes

1033
00:47:31,685 --> 00:47:32,885
of the meeting of May 26th?

1034
00:47:32,885 --> 00:47:34,645
2026. So moved.

1035
00:47:34,905 --> 00:47:36,965
Second Roll call please.

1036
00:47:37,645 --> 00:47:41,525
Mr. Kelly? Yes. Mr. Ian? Yes. Mr. Kern?

1037
00:47:42,105 --> 00:47:44,845
Yes, except I'll abstain from June 23rd.

1038
00:47:45,255 --> 00:47:46,885
We're only doing May 26th right now.

1039
00:47:47,845 --> 00:47:49,925
I thought we were doing it. No, I didn't do all four.

1040
00:47:50,395 --> 00:47:51,395
Just May 26th.

1041
00:47:52,475 --> 00:47:54,925
Okay. Mr. Mr. So Mr.

1042
00:47:55,035 --> 00:47:57,725
Kern, are you a, you're a yes for that? Yes. Okay. Mr.

1043
00:47:57,815 --> 00:47:59,285
Gullo? Yes. Ms. Tara?

1044
00:48:00,775 --> 00:48:02,195
Yes. Mr. Banfield? Yes.

1045
00:48:03,145 --> 00:48:04,915
Okay. Would anybody care to make a motion

1046
00:48:05,015 --> 00:48:07,915
to approve the minutes for the meeting of June 9th, 2026?

1047
00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:11,555
Yes. Can I amend that motion to approve the June 9th,

1048
00:48:11,665 --> 00:48:13,675
June 23rd and July 14th?

1049
00:48:13,815 --> 00:48:15,275
Unless anybody has any comments?

1050
00:48:17,175 --> 00:48:21,075
Second, are you wanna run the meeting? No, I'm

1051
00:48:21,075 --> 00:48:22,675
Just trying to simple things a little bit.

1052
00:48:22,855 --> 00:48:24,515
Oh, Okay. Because I think we have a lot

1053
00:48:24,515 --> 00:48:25,635
of people to speak today.

1054
00:48:26,535 --> 00:48:28,355
Do we? I thought we just had an audience tonight.

1055
00:48:30,695 --> 00:48:32,755
We have a second. Can we have a roll call please?

1056
00:48:33,305 --> 00:48:37,595
Sure. Mr. Kelly? Yes. Mr. Ian? Yes. Mr. Kern. All

1057
00:48:37,595 --> 00:48:38,595
Right.

1058
00:48:38,595 --> 00:48:39,435
Yes. Except staying from

1059
00:48:39,435 --> 00:48:40,715
June 23rd. Noted.

1060
00:48:41,255 --> 00:48:44,555
Mr. Gullo? Yes. Ms. Her? Yes. Mr. Banfield? Yes.

1061
00:48:45,625 --> 00:48:46,675
Okay. Public comment.

1062
00:48:47,495 --> 00:48:49,515
So we're gonna have a public comment now.

1063
00:48:49,515 --> 00:48:51,195
I'll entertain a motion to open the floor

1064
00:48:51,415 --> 00:48:54,075
for public comment on non agenda items only.

1065
00:48:54,495 --> 00:48:58,595
So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Great.

1066
00:48:58,935 --> 00:49:01,835
Please come up to the podium, identify yourself

1067
00:49:02,055 --> 00:49:04,115
and remain courteous and not exceed five minutes.

1068
00:49:04,555 --> 00:49:07,675
I just wanna make a comment as far as our capability here

1069
00:49:07,895 --> 00:49:09,315
to interface with Zoom.

1070
00:49:09,385 --> 00:49:11,075
When I had the monitors put in,

1071
00:49:11,855 --> 00:49:13,675
we have an interface built in

1072
00:49:14,305 --> 00:49:17,155
that the switch feed goes out on the computer

1073
00:49:17,375 --> 00:49:20,355
and all your audio goes back to the system

1074
00:49:20,865 --> 00:49:22,115
without any feedback

1075
00:49:22,745 --> 00:49:26,435
besides which Zoom can handle phone calls coming in

1076
00:49:26,735 --> 00:49:30,755
and actually gets put into the Zoom rotation.

1077
00:49:31,335 --> 00:49:33,075
So you can pick and choose for people.

1078
00:49:33,215 --> 00:49:37,675
Do who wanna call in can and the system can do this.

1079
00:49:39,635 --> 00:49:42,595
I just wanted to clarify that in case you do want

1080
00:49:42,595 --> 00:49:43,675
to use it in both here

1081
00:49:44,135 --> 00:49:47,395
and upstairs, have the same capability. Thanks. Okay,

1082
00:49:47,395 --> 00:49:48,395
Thank you.

1083
00:49:48,395 --> 00:49:48,395
Thank you.

1084
00:49:54,635 --> 00:49:59,595
Nobody's here to say anything. Eileen?

1085
00:50:05,705 --> 00:50:10,045
Eileen Jones. Orell resident non agenda items.

1086
00:50:10,155 --> 00:50:11,285
That would be the first street.

1087
00:50:12,795 --> 00:50:15,285
Okay. Thank you. Not on the consent agenda, so as long

1088
00:50:15,285 --> 00:50:17,365
as it's not one of the items on the consent agenda,

1089
00:50:17,365 --> 00:50:18,525
you're free to talk about it.

1090
00:50:19,355 --> 00:50:19,645
Okay.

1091
00:50:25,165 --> 00:50:26,695
Good evening Mayor and Council.

1092
00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:28,765
I come before you this evening

1093
00:50:28,865 --> 00:50:31,685
to again discuss the preferential treatment being given

1094
00:50:31,745 --> 00:50:34,765
to First Street and hence trickling over to second

1095
00:50:34,825 --> 00:50:36,485
and third Street by a traffic sign.

1096
00:50:36,865 --> 00:50:39,205
No right turn onto First Street, six days a week.

1097
00:50:39,205 --> 00:50:42,245
7:00 AM to 7:00 PM with no restriction on Sunday.

1098
00:50:42,715 --> 00:50:45,085
It's located at the Northeast end of Grant Ave.

1099
00:50:45,335 --> 00:50:48,085
Grant Ave and the eastern portion of Orell Ave

1100
00:50:48,705 --> 00:50:52,045
are municipal streets, just like these three streets

1101
00:50:52,045 --> 00:50:53,285
that I just named above.

1102
00:50:53,735 --> 00:50:56,125
First Street also has a double yellow line

1103
00:50:56,305 --> 00:50:59,325
and is co comparable in width size

1104
00:50:59,825 --> 00:51:02,885
and has speed bumps along with Second Street.

1105
00:51:03,785 --> 00:51:06,085
I'm requesting that that sign be removed

1106
00:51:06,145 --> 00:51:10,245
and it's totally removed with no, no

1107
00:51:12,395 --> 00:51:15,405
disa allowances of traffic, making a right hand turn there

1108
00:51:20,225 --> 00:51:23,645
On March 1st, 1999.

1109
00:51:24,565 --> 00:51:27,245
I wasn't a resident. I was not a resident here at that time.

1110
00:51:27,425 --> 00:51:30,525
In an administrative agenda work session, it said

1111
00:51:30,525 --> 00:51:33,405
that residents of First Street were invited at 7:00 PM

1112
00:51:33,905 --> 00:51:35,525
to the Mayor and Council meeting.

1113
00:51:36,125 --> 00:51:39,645
Tomorrow we will be discussing the Boswell Cleve

1114
00:51:40,245 --> 00:51:43,205
Engineering Traffic Study and recommendations.

1115
00:51:44,545 --> 00:51:47,245
Mr. Winters is not prepared to make a final decision

1116
00:51:47,345 --> 00:51:49,565
and he has asked if the residents were given a copy

1117
00:51:49,585 --> 00:51:53,045
of the traffic study and was told a copy was given to Mr.

1118
00:51:53,225 --> 00:51:55,925
Bob Schwartz, a first Street resident.

1119
00:51:57,505 --> 00:51:58,885
We will have comments from the,

1120
00:51:59,945 --> 00:52:02,565
and discuss the traffic study.

1121
00:52:05,945 --> 00:52:06,885
And then on

1122
00:52:09,855 --> 00:52:10,965
March 15th,

1123
00:52:11,595 --> 00:52:14,365
there's a note here in the administrative agenda work

1124
00:52:14,365 --> 00:52:15,965
session, that first street,

1125
00:52:16,125 --> 00:52:19,325
a letter from Mr. Schwartz requesting a decision on traffic

1126
00:52:19,335 --> 00:52:20,725
congestion on First Street.

1127
00:52:20,975 --> 00:52:23,445
There will be a meeting with the First Street residents on

1128
00:52:23,445 --> 00:52:26,685
April 20th and a decision will have to be reached.

1129
00:52:27,275 --> 00:52:30,765
Suggestions to correct this problem from Hallworth to Orell.

1130
00:52:30,825 --> 00:52:33,045
No right hand turns at all times or a speed bump.

1131
00:52:34,445 --> 00:52:39,285
Reassess this in six months now a letter was sent on,

1132
00:52:43,185 --> 00:52:44,485
Why can't I find the date of it?

1133
00:52:44,985 --> 00:52:49,565
Oh, there it is. February 22nd, 1999 To a

1134
00:52:49,565 --> 00:52:51,765
gentleman that resided on First Street

1135
00:52:52,185 --> 00:52:56,005
and it was, you were invited to attend the Mayor

1136
00:52:56,025 --> 00:52:57,405
and Council meeting on Tuesday,

1137
00:52:57,495 --> 00:53:01,405
March 2nd, 1999 at 7:00 PM There will be a discussion

1138
00:53:01,405 --> 00:53:03,685
regarding the traffic study of First Street.

1139
00:53:03,705 --> 00:53:06,565
The meeting will be held at the Orell Town Hall

1140
00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:09,605
and the Mayor and Council Chamber's first floor, room 1 0 3.

1141
00:53:09,785 --> 00:53:11,645
If you would like to be part of this discussion,

1142
00:53:11,785 --> 00:53:14,645
please mark the date and time on the calendar.

1143
00:53:14,905 --> 00:53:17,125
And it's listed on the bottom to CC

1144
00:53:17,515 --> 00:53:19,325
that the letter was being CC'd

1145
00:53:19,325 --> 00:53:20,845
to the residence of First Street.

1146
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:25,005
My question is, I'm wondering why there's no letter

1147
00:53:25,115 --> 00:53:29,205
that was sent to the residents of Orell Ave

1148
00:53:29,585 --> 00:53:32,005
or Grant Ave.

1149
00:53:32,755 --> 00:53:34,645
This would be a huge problem for them.

1150
00:53:34,675 --> 00:53:37,605
With all that traffic then being able, being forced

1151
00:53:38,065 --> 00:53:40,765
to come down to Grant on Grant Ave.

1152
00:53:41,145 --> 00:53:44,205
No choice as to whether to make that first right hand turn

1153
00:53:44,205 --> 00:53:46,845
or not, but forced to come to an intersection

1154
00:53:46,865 --> 00:53:51,165
that's already had a lot of traffic on it even in 1999.

1155
00:53:53,345 --> 00:53:58,205
I'm going on, I

1156
00:54:08,935 --> 00:54:10,695
I might be repeating a little, I'm sorry.

1157
00:54:10,725 --> 00:54:13,335
What I am questioning is why did First Street residents

1158
00:54:13,335 --> 00:54:14,895
receive a personal letter to them

1159
00:54:15,235 --> 00:54:18,375
to review the traffic study of First Street

1160
00:54:18,395 --> 00:54:20,215
and grant an orell?

1161
00:54:20,235 --> 00:54:24,735
It was done by Boswell Engineering.

1162
00:54:24,895 --> 00:54:26,935
I haven't been able to receive a copy of

1163
00:54:26,935 --> 00:54:28,655
that engineering report.

1164
00:54:28,995 --> 00:54:33,215
It should be somewhere in the files. It was 1999.

1165
00:54:34,445 --> 00:54:37,535
This study would severely impact Grant have and

1166
00:54:37,555 --> 00:54:38,615
or have safety

1167
00:54:38,675 --> 00:54:41,175
and quality of life in a very negative manner.

1168
00:54:41,565 --> 00:54:43,935
Where's a corresponding study that would reflect

1169
00:54:43,935 --> 00:54:48,175
how it would impact the Grant Ave and Odell Ave?

1170
00:54:59,355 --> 00:55:02,895
The change in traffic flow would certainly affect Grant Ave

1171
00:55:02,895 --> 00:55:03,975
and Odell Ave.

1172
00:55:06,555 --> 00:55:10,375
The ordinance that was approved in 1999,

1173
00:55:10,375 --> 00:55:12,255
forced traffic to come to that area.

1174
00:55:13,235 --> 00:55:17,735
And I think that this wasn't done properly.

1175
00:55:18,655 --> 00:55:20,335
I think Grant Ave should have been included.

1176
00:55:20,435 --> 00:55:22,335
Yes, they could have seen the, the

1177
00:55:23,635 --> 00:55:27,175
notice on the mayor and council meeting that was coming up.

1178
00:55:27,275 --> 00:55:30,295
Why they did not, I don't know. Like I said, I wasn't here.

1179
00:55:32,215 --> 00:55:36,135
I have more, but I heard the, the beep.

1180
00:55:36,755 --> 00:55:39,295
So is that the end of my talk? Okay.

1181
00:55:39,705 --> 00:55:42,815
Thank you for listening. Thank you. I'll be back.

1182
00:55:46,155 --> 00:55:46,375
Oh

1183
00:55:58,995 --> 00:55:59,995
Hi.

1184
00:55:59,995 --> 00:56:04,135
Paul Morris, my wife Marsha. 4 4 9 second Street.

1185
00:56:04,635 --> 00:56:06,295
Our house is on the corner of first

1186
00:56:06,355 --> 00:56:10,935
and second, so our driveway and garage are on First Street.

1187
00:56:11,865 --> 00:56:13,855
We've been there since 1981.

1188
00:56:15,295 --> 00:56:17,135
Research that I did showed

1189
00:56:17,135 --> 00:56:19,575
that the sign was put in place in 1990.

1190
00:56:20,815 --> 00:56:23,245
I don't have the rationale for why the sign was placed.

1191
00:56:23,435 --> 00:56:25,165
It's presumably for safety.

1192
00:56:26,615 --> 00:56:28,565
First street of all you probably know,

1193
00:56:28,585 --> 00:56:32,765
is a somewhat narrow curved street or at El Avenue and Grant

1194
00:56:32,825 --> 00:56:34,445
or wider and straight streets.

1195
00:56:35,155 --> 00:56:37,765
Traffic coming from Hallworth in that environment

1196
00:56:37,785 --> 00:56:41,485
and heading west now has to go south on Grant

1197
00:56:41,625 --> 00:56:43,765
and take a right turn onto Orell Avenue.

1198
00:56:44,235 --> 00:56:45,685
There's no oncoming traffic.

1199
00:56:45,785 --> 00:56:48,165
So that's a very safe maneuver to make that turn.

1200
00:56:48,795 --> 00:56:52,045
However, if you were to take the sign away, large numbers

1201
00:56:52,065 --> 00:56:54,605
of cars would be coming down first and maybe even second

1202
00:56:54,605 --> 00:56:57,485
and third streets and having to turn right onto Orell

1203
00:56:57,485 --> 00:57:01,925
Avenue, avoiding oncoming traffic coming in a westerly

1204
00:57:01,925 --> 00:57:03,365
direction on Orell Avenue.

1205
00:57:03,905 --> 00:57:06,965
That's more dangerous than the situation that exists now.

1206
00:57:07,745 --> 00:57:09,725
So I would say maintain the sign.

1207
00:57:10,755 --> 00:57:12,925
It's, it keeps the area safe there.

1208
00:57:13,015 --> 00:57:15,005
There are many children who live there, there are pets.

1209
00:57:15,155 --> 00:57:19,365
It's Aker Street. It does not warrant that kind of traffic.

1210
00:57:20,025 --> 00:57:23,685
And, and it would be, I think, unwise to remove that sign.

1211
00:57:30,345 --> 00:57:31,605
May I speak? Sure.

1212
00:57:31,605 --> 00:57:33,125
Just come up to the podium. Mr. Conway.

1213
00:57:34,005 --> 00:57:38,965
I, Good evening Mayor. Members of the council.

1214
00:57:39,105 --> 00:57:42,405
My name is Donald Conway. I live at 4 2 5 second Street.

1215
00:57:44,175 --> 00:57:46,795
I'm more than familiar with this entire situation

1216
00:57:46,795 --> 00:57:50,555
because for approximately 60 years I walk

1217
00:57:51,165 --> 00:57:53,995
conditions allowing from my house

1218
00:57:54,015 --> 00:57:56,395
and Second Street to the reservoir.

1219
00:57:56,895 --> 00:58:01,075
And I see the traffic flow over those years.

1220
00:58:01,665 --> 00:58:05,955
It's gone from a minor problem

1221
00:58:06,215 --> 00:58:07,235
to what it is today.

1222
00:58:07,255 --> 00:58:09,915
We all recognize there a situation, it's a problem.

1223
00:58:10,665 --> 00:58:12,835
However, that area

1224
00:58:13,455 --> 00:58:18,115
almost every day is a dog walking company here in town.

1225
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:19,995
People are walking their dogs.

1226
00:58:20,495 --> 00:58:23,555
So people like myself, I have to walk in the street.

1227
00:58:24,355 --> 00:58:25,675
I also know there's lots of,

1228
00:58:26,655 --> 00:58:28,555
I'm not the only person who walks in the street.

1229
00:58:29,075 --> 00:58:30,755
I see them every morning. Lots of people.

1230
00:58:31,275 --> 00:58:34,035
I see kids from high school, Bergen Catholic

1231
00:58:34,095 --> 00:58:36,435
or Riverdale, they jo,

1232
00:58:36,505 --> 00:58:39,115
they jog in the street.

1233
00:58:40,215 --> 00:58:44,275
You can't walk on the sidewalk where the dogs are walking.

1234
00:58:45,855 --> 00:58:48,275
And it just so happens that area.

1235
00:58:48,745 --> 00:58:50,155
Just the other day, there's a lady here

1236
00:58:50,155 --> 00:58:52,155
who saw me the last couple years.

1237
00:58:52,355 --> 00:58:54,795
I had to cut the, what do we call those?

1238
00:58:55,015 --> 00:58:58,435
The trees there because the branches are out into the road.

1239
00:58:58,885 --> 00:59:02,275
Every time I get to the corner, I have to stop and wait

1240
00:59:02,275 --> 00:59:04,035
and see because believe me,

1241
00:59:04,515 --> 00:59:06,195
although that sign says no right turn

1242
00:59:07,325 --> 00:59:12,115
every day from eight o'clock when I start to plenty

1243
00:59:12,175 --> 00:59:13,915
of cars, I'm making right turns

1244
00:59:14,935 --> 00:59:17,395
and I'm concerned for my safety.

1245
00:59:17,505 --> 00:59:18,875
Everybody else's safety.

1246
00:59:19,295 --> 00:59:23,815
And as I say, God forbid, someday somebody,

1247
00:59:23,875 --> 00:59:26,535
if you allow this to happen, a car

1248
00:59:26,715 --> 00:59:28,695
or a truck is gonna run over a bike,

1249
00:59:29,615 --> 00:59:31,015
a cyclist or a pedestrian.

1250
00:59:31,695 --> 00:59:34,815
'cause they don't slow down. They make that turn.

1251
00:59:35,715 --> 00:59:38,175
And it's a dangerous situation if you allow it.

1252
00:59:39,195 --> 00:59:41,915
I realize, you know, maybe it's an inconvenience

1253
00:59:42,215 --> 00:59:45,355
for some people that I think go all the way to Orell Avenue.

1254
00:59:45,935 --> 00:59:49,235
But who are we inconveniencing people from Northfield,

1255
00:59:49,385 --> 00:59:50,875
Norwood or wherever they come from.

1256
00:59:51,655 --> 00:59:53,435
So maybe they get up five minutes early

1257
00:59:53,975 --> 00:59:55,235
in case there's a little backup.

1258
00:59:56,895 --> 01:00:01,145
But the rest of us are entitled as safety, not the people

1259
01:00:01,205 --> 01:00:03,625
who live in those various other communities.

1260
01:00:03,995 --> 01:00:05,025
Thank you for your attention.

1261
01:00:05,515 --> 01:00:05,985
Thank you.

1262
01:00:18,575 --> 01:00:21,705
Good evening, Mr. Mayor and city council.

1263
01:00:22,485 --> 01:00:24,545
My name is Christine Orlando

1264
01:00:25,085 --> 01:00:28,345
and I live on Grant Avenue around the corner

1265
01:00:28,895 --> 01:00:32,505
from Oradell Avenue for the last 48 years.

1266
01:00:33,305 --> 01:00:37,745
I would like to focus tonight on the traffic sign, located

1267
01:00:38,355 --> 01:00:41,745
where First Street and Grant Avenue meet.

1268
01:00:42,405 --> 01:00:45,465
It prohibits traffic from entering first street

1269
01:00:46,005 --> 01:00:49,225
for about 12 hours a day, six days a week,

1270
01:00:49,605 --> 01:00:53,025
making a right turn from Harvard, forcing traffic

1271
01:00:53,525 --> 01:00:54,785
to be diverted.

1272
01:00:55,405 --> 01:00:59,585
And as a result, all the traffic coming from Howorth

1273
01:01:00,085 --> 01:01:04,465
and its neighboring towns are funneled into Grant

1274
01:01:04,685 --> 01:01:07,545
and Orell Avenues intersection,

1275
01:01:07,715 --> 01:01:12,105
which is already getting traffic from the new Milford area.

1276
01:01:13,615 --> 01:01:16,475
And why? Because one area

1277
01:01:16,855 --> 01:01:18,995
of town said traffic

1278
01:01:20,815 --> 01:01:21,955
not down our street

1279
01:01:22,945 --> 01:01:23,945
Goes up the other way.

1280
01:01:25,135 --> 01:01:28,635
All. And I emphasize all areas

1281
01:01:28,815 --> 01:01:31,755
of our town should share the burden

1282
01:01:33,635 --> 01:01:34,935
of traffic flow.

1283
01:01:36,235 --> 01:01:40,655
It has been an extra burden for those of us taxpayers,

1284
01:01:41,535 --> 01:01:44,215
residents who live south and east of this sign.

1285
01:01:44,835 --> 01:01:48,455
We have had our quality of life diminished

1286
01:01:48,875 --> 01:01:51,695
and the safety of our children

1287
01:01:52,155 --> 01:01:54,215
and grandchildren compromised.

1288
01:01:55,025 --> 01:01:56,615
Don't we count to?

1289
01:01:58,515 --> 01:02:02,775
No area of town should be treated with favoritism

1290
01:02:03,235 --> 01:02:04,575
and special privilege.

1291
01:02:05,165 --> 01:02:06,655
This should not be a case

1292
01:02:07,025 --> 01:02:11,175
where some Orell residents are considered more

1293
01:02:11,625 --> 01:02:13,055
equal than others.

1294
01:02:14,075 --> 01:02:18,495
It is wrong and the situation has to be rectified.

1295
01:02:19,595 --> 01:02:22,895
So to summarize, I ask you, Mr.

1296
01:02:23,025 --> 01:02:27,895
Mayor and council members to consider removing this elite

1297
01:02:28,645 --> 01:02:31,735
restrictive traffic sign on First Street

1298
01:02:31,995 --> 01:02:36,855
and Grant Avenue so that all the residents in this area

1299
01:02:37,705 --> 01:02:40,095
share the burden of traffic movement

1300
01:02:40,515 --> 01:02:44,135
and not just a few of us who have had to endure

1301
01:02:44,725 --> 01:02:48,615
this burden alone for far too long.

1302
01:02:49,655 --> 01:02:52,975
I ask that we be treated equally and fairly

1303
01:02:53,595 --> 01:02:57,655
and that our quality of life as well as the safety

1304
01:02:57,915 --> 01:03:00,415
and welfare of our children

1305
01:03:00,875 --> 01:03:03,095
and grandchildren who live south

1306
01:03:03,115 --> 01:03:06,255
and east of this sign, be taken into account.

1307
01:03:07,115 --> 01:03:11,695
We count to why else should this elitist

1308
01:03:11,965 --> 01:03:14,455
restrictive sign be removed?

1309
01:03:15,445 --> 01:03:19,135
Well, because in my opinion, it's the right thing

1310
01:03:19,235 --> 01:03:20,695
to do. Thank you.

1311
01:03:21,545 --> 01:03:22,015
Thank you.

1312
01:03:37,455 --> 01:03:39,345
Good evening. My name is Barbara Parks.

1313
01:03:39,345 --> 01:03:41,465
I live at 4 4 6 first Street.

1314
01:03:42,055 --> 01:03:45,345
I've been living there since June of 1994.

1315
01:03:45,535 --> 01:03:49,145
I've attended many of these meetings over the past 30 years.

1316
01:03:49,445 --> 01:03:52,905
Not in a long time, but in the nineties there were plenty

1317
01:03:52,925 --> 01:03:57,715
of meetings about how to alleve the traffic.

1318
01:03:58,535 --> 01:04:02,955
Not only traffic, the safety people,

1319
01:04:03,615 --> 01:04:06,755
Mr. Schwartz, that was referred to earlier, used

1320
01:04:06,755 --> 01:04:09,835
to say all the time that people that would cut down

1321
01:04:10,565 --> 01:04:13,715
First Street, their mindset was to beat the guy

1322
01:04:13,715 --> 01:04:17,235
that went the the proper way, the way that traffic was meant

1323
01:04:17,235 --> 01:04:19,155
to go down cran toward D Avenue.

1324
01:04:20,445 --> 01:04:23,195
First Street has two big curves in it.

1325
01:04:23,825 --> 01:04:25,235
When I pull out of my driveway,

1326
01:04:25,395 --> 01:04:27,035
I can't see past my neighbor's house.

1327
01:04:28,345 --> 01:04:31,725
And if he's parked at the edge of his driveway,

1328
01:04:31,985 --> 01:04:34,765
no offense Dave, I can't see anybody

1329
01:04:35,265 --> 01:04:37,405
unless they're within 10 feet of my driveway.

1330
01:04:38,285 --> 01:04:40,925
I walk my dogs every morning. I see Mr. Conway.

1331
01:04:41,635 --> 01:04:44,585
There is one man, he's going so fast every morning.

1332
01:04:45,745 --> 01:04:48,315
He's on the wrong side of the road every day.

1333
01:04:51,285 --> 01:04:53,175
There's track teams that drive down,

1334
01:04:53,205 --> 01:04:54,295
that go down that street.

1335
01:04:54,295 --> 01:04:56,175
People walk down there to go to the reservoir.

1336
01:04:56,175 --> 01:04:57,375
People are walking their dogs.

1337
01:04:58,335 --> 01:05:00,855
Nobody's safety is more important than anybody else's,

1338
01:05:01,035 --> 01:05:02,375
but it's not the same road.

1339
01:05:02,445 --> 01:05:06,455
It's a curvy road. Grant is a, is a street street.

1340
01:05:08,555 --> 01:05:11,695
We only recently just got two stop signs at the

1341
01:05:11,695 --> 01:05:15,215
intersections of first and second and first and third, where

1342
01:05:15,215 --> 01:05:16,455
before they were yield signs.

1343
01:05:17,225 --> 01:05:20,005
So I appreciate the fact that that was done.

1344
01:05:20,265 --> 01:05:21,285
But to say

1345
01:05:21,285 --> 01:05:24,485
that we get preferential treatment is not correct at

1346
01:05:24,485 --> 01:05:25,645
all. Thank you.

1347
01:05:26,255 --> 01:05:26,685
Thank you.

1348
01:05:36,785 --> 01:05:38,685
Hi, my name is Marsha Morris.

1349
01:05:38,885 --> 01:05:42,645
I live 4 49 second Street, which as my husband told you,

1350
01:05:42,645 --> 01:05:44,485
is on the corner of first and second.

1351
01:05:45,945 --> 01:05:49,365
My feeling on this is that it's not just a matter of

1352
01:05:49,905 --> 01:05:51,765
the curvy first street.

1353
01:05:52,425 --> 01:05:56,005
People go down there and they speed down Second Street.

1354
01:05:56,385 --> 01:05:58,925
And I know they also speed down Third Street.

1355
01:05:58,935 --> 01:06:01,965
Those are narrower streets than the other.

1356
01:06:01,965 --> 01:06:05,885
Streets are people you're compromising if you take the sign

1357
01:06:05,885 --> 01:06:08,045
away, I really feel like you're compromising the safety

1358
01:06:08,505 --> 01:06:11,205
of the children who play in those two streets.

1359
01:06:12,065 --> 01:06:15,445
People who walk their dogs, people who run.

1360
01:06:15,935 --> 01:06:18,485
There are so many people walking around that neighborhood.

1361
01:06:19,055 --> 01:06:21,685
Grant Street and Orell Avenue are not streets

1362
01:06:21,685 --> 01:06:24,925
that you would ever consider having your children play

1363
01:06:25,145 --> 01:06:26,165
in the street on.

1364
01:06:26,625 --> 01:06:29,165
But first, second Street and third Street.

1365
01:06:29,305 --> 01:06:30,725
Our streets like that. They're more

1366
01:06:30,725 --> 01:06:32,325
of a neighborhood kind of a street.

1367
01:06:33,025 --> 01:06:35,725
And I also think you're compromising the safety of the cars

1368
01:06:36,195 --> 01:06:37,725
that are sitting there on the streets.

1369
01:06:38,915 --> 01:06:40,685
It's not, they're not as wide as streets.

1370
01:06:40,745 --> 01:06:43,005
And if people are going down the street really fast,

1371
01:06:43,005 --> 01:06:44,445
they're gonna knock into your doors.

1372
01:06:44,975 --> 01:06:46,685
There just isn't enough room.

1373
01:06:47,785 --> 01:06:51,965
And I live there before the sign went up initially.

1374
01:06:52,305 --> 01:06:56,205
And I can tell you that there really was a,

1375
01:06:56,445 --> 01:06:58,045
a vast improvement in the safety.

1376
01:06:58,185 --> 01:07:00,365
And I know, I remember

1377
01:07:00,395 --> 01:07:02,005
that the reason they did it in the first

1378
01:07:02,005 --> 01:07:03,245
place was a safety issue.

1379
01:07:03,745 --> 01:07:07,645
So I'm begging you to not take the sign away. Thank you.

1380
01:07:08,775 --> 01:07:09,285
Thank you.

1381
01:07:14,175 --> 01:07:15,325
Hello Mayor and counsel.

1382
01:07:15,885 --> 01:07:17,765
Terry Ver Hague 5 0 7 first Street.

1383
01:07:18,565 --> 01:07:20,685
I also lived there before the sign was up.

1384
01:07:21,525 --> 01:07:24,405
We moved there in 92. So the sign was not up in 90.

1385
01:07:24,545 --> 01:07:25,565
I'm not sure where that came from.

1386
01:07:26,025 --> 01:07:29,605
It was, I feel like it wasn't 99, but it wasn't 90.

1387
01:07:30,145 --> 01:07:32,245
Anyway, to your point about the traffic,

1388
01:07:33,375 --> 01:07:35,685
right now the traffic is insane going one way.

1389
01:07:35,755 --> 01:07:37,725
It's not like we don't have traffic, right?

1390
01:07:38,065 --> 01:07:40,925
We get half of it, right. It's insane all day long.

1391
01:07:41,425 --> 01:07:43,845
But it wasn't about traffic, it was about safety.

1392
01:07:44,215 --> 01:07:45,685
Again, because it's a curvy

1393
01:07:45,685 --> 01:07:48,205
street, everyone would make that right?

1394
01:07:48,745 --> 01:07:52,085
Either fly down first Street or fly down third Street.

1395
01:07:52,085 --> 01:07:54,365
Third street straight. I've seen people, they have

1396
01:07:54,365 --> 01:07:55,645
to be going 70 miles per hour.

1397
01:07:55,645 --> 01:07:57,645
It's insane. So picture,

1398
01:07:57,705 --> 01:07:59,845
you have people flying in both directions.

1399
01:07:59,985 --> 01:08:02,045
It, it was just a disaster waiting to happen.

1400
01:08:02,645 --> 01:08:05,165
I would be pulling into making a left into my driveway,

1401
01:08:05,165 --> 01:08:06,685
people would be passing me on the left.

1402
01:08:06,825 --> 01:08:09,645
Not kidding. Like it's, it was insane.

1403
01:08:10,025 --> 01:08:12,045
So again, it was put in because of safety

1404
01:08:12,185 --> 01:08:13,765
and it still is about safety.

1405
01:08:15,095 --> 01:08:18,565
Grant and Dale Avenue are main drags. Sorry. They just are.

1406
01:08:18,705 --> 01:08:21,245
And so at that point where people would not have their kids

1407
01:08:21,275 --> 01:08:23,685
play outside an or well in their front yard,

1408
01:08:23,745 --> 01:08:27,085
but not in the street, their main main thoroughfares,

1409
01:08:27,085 --> 01:08:28,205
they go through several towns.

1410
01:08:28,375 --> 01:08:30,685
Buses go on them, their main drags.

1411
01:08:30,745 --> 01:08:34,205
And if you shift it, this isn't gonna solve the problem.

1412
01:08:34,205 --> 01:08:36,125
There's too much traffic in town everywhere.

1413
01:08:36,265 --> 01:08:38,245
Not just at that, at our corner there,

1414
01:08:39,305 --> 01:08:40,315
there's too many cars.

1415
01:08:41,025 --> 01:08:43,435
This isn't what would maybe help is more

1416
01:08:43,495 --> 01:08:44,915
police pulling people over.

1417
01:08:45,255 --> 01:08:46,835
Yep. Then they'll slow down.

1418
01:08:46,855 --> 01:08:49,315
If the word gets out that you, if you speed an orde,

1419
01:08:49,315 --> 01:08:51,555
you'll get a ticket that will help.

1420
01:08:52,195 --> 01:08:53,235
'cause that's how it is in Hallworth.

1421
01:08:53,335 --> 01:08:54,835
You get pulled over once in Hallworth,

1422
01:08:55,095 --> 01:08:57,035
you learn your lesson, you don't speed there anymore.

1423
01:08:57,375 --> 01:08:59,635
So that's gonna have more impact shifting.

1424
01:08:59,665 --> 01:09:02,915
This is just gonna put more traffic onto our streets,

1425
01:09:02,925 --> 01:09:04,915
which are not meant to be main drags

1426
01:09:05,015 --> 01:09:09,395
and are just, by the nature of the curves gonna be far,

1427
01:09:09,415 --> 01:09:10,555
far more dangerous.

1428
01:09:11,055 --> 01:09:15,115
So please for the, again, it's not that you're any less

1429
01:09:15,945 --> 01:09:18,675
special, but it's just those are main drags

1430
01:09:18,855 --> 01:09:20,635
and that's how the traffic was supposed to go.

1431
01:09:21,055 --> 01:09:24,075
And our more neighborhood type streets should not be

1432
01:09:24,315 --> 01:09:27,635
sacrificed just to make you happy.

1433
01:09:27,945 --> 01:09:29,035
Okay, thank you.

1434
01:09:36,005 --> 01:09:38,315
Kathy Morris, country Club Drive,

1435
01:09:39,055 --> 01:09:40,995
no one's talked about Country Club Drive.

1436
01:09:41,755 --> 01:09:44,475
I live off of Orell Ave and Country Club.

1437
01:09:44,645 --> 01:09:48,775
Drive off a grant, try in the morning

1438
01:09:49,115 --> 01:09:51,775
to make a left hand turn to get onto

1439
01:09:51,875 --> 01:09:55,255
or de a not gonna happen for at least 10 minutes

1440
01:09:55,725 --> 01:10:00,535
because nobody coming from Hallworth is

1441
01:10:00,535 --> 01:10:01,735
gonna stop and let you in.

1442
01:10:02,855 --> 01:10:05,515
Nobody from New Milford who's coming

1443
01:10:05,795 --> 01:10:07,435
straight can let you in.

1444
01:10:08,325 --> 01:10:09,625
So what do you do? Nothing.

1445
01:10:10,125 --> 01:10:12,385
You can't go on the other side of country club

1446
01:10:12,385 --> 01:10:14,585
because that borders on first.

1447
01:10:15,045 --> 01:10:18,305
So you can't even make that left hand turn then a quick,

1448
01:10:18,305 --> 01:10:20,705
right, because, no, then you get

1449
01:10:20,705 --> 01:10:22,385
behind all the traffic from Hallworth.

1450
01:10:24,585 --> 01:10:26,585
I understand it's a safety issue,

1451
01:10:26,725 --> 01:10:29,865
but I almost got hit as the last time I was here

1452
01:10:30,485 --> 01:10:32,905
in the Crosswork on Orell F.

1453
01:10:34,685 --> 01:10:36,815
It's a safety issue all around.

1454
01:10:37,685 --> 01:10:39,495
Everybody has this safety issue.

1455
01:10:39,815 --> 01:10:42,535
I walk my dog six miles a day in Orell

1456
01:10:42,955 --> 01:10:45,015
and I gotta tell you, I go down first.

1457
01:10:45,335 --> 01:10:47,255
I see what happens in first on first.

1458
01:10:48,255 --> 01:10:49,775
I see what happens on Hasbrook.

1459
01:10:51,245 --> 01:10:53,855
Everybody is trying to beat everybody.

1460
01:10:54,035 --> 01:10:58,695
And I appreciated that law enforcement was out last week

1461
01:10:59,195 --> 01:11:01,015
and I, at least six

1462
01:11:01,155 --> 01:11:04,775
or seven people pulled over from New Milford

1463
01:11:04,925 --> 01:11:07,895
because they didn't stop at the crosswalk

1464
01:11:08,245 --> 01:11:09,695
with the lights blinking

1465
01:11:11,725 --> 01:11:15,925
because they could, they race you to the crosswalk,

1466
01:11:16,515 --> 01:11:17,885
like, you know,

1467
01:11:17,945 --> 01:11:22,125
and I'm walking the dog, they don't care either way.

1468
01:11:23,935 --> 01:11:28,615
A safety issue on Grant, the traffic is out of control

1469
01:11:29,485 --> 01:11:33,415
when there's a train, it's all backed up

1470
01:11:33,715 --> 01:11:36,495
to the other side of country club by first

1471
01:11:37,685 --> 01:11:39,775
because nobody can make a right hand turn.

1472
01:11:42,145 --> 01:11:45,225
I, I don't know what the actual solution is,

1473
01:11:45,405 --> 01:11:47,785
but restricting a right hand turn

1474
01:11:47,785 --> 01:11:51,185
because a lot of the people who are coming down

1475
01:11:51,975 --> 01:11:55,245
from Hallworth, sometimes they put their signal on,

1476
01:11:55,595 --> 01:11:56,805
sometimes they don't.

1477
01:11:57,385 --> 01:11:59,165
So you don't know coming off

1478
01:11:59,165 --> 01:12:02,045
of Orell Ave whether you can make that left or not safely

1479
01:12:02,075 --> 01:12:05,245
because they may be making the right, they may not be.

1480
01:12:06,025 --> 01:12:09,605
And I just saw this past week, another fender bender

1481
01:12:10,565 --> 01:12:11,675
right on that corner.

1482
01:12:13,075 --> 01:12:15,835
A lot of fender bender, a lot of almost accidents.

1483
01:12:17,965 --> 01:12:22,635
Maybe easing some of the right hand turns off of Grant.

1484
01:12:24,055 --> 01:12:26,655
I walk up first, I know what the situation is,

1485
01:12:27,355 --> 01:12:31,915
but it, there's gotta be some kind of resolution

1486
01:12:32,795 --> 01:12:36,675
to this where maybe everybody shares everything.

1487
01:12:37,295 --> 01:12:41,075
We share the traffic we have to it. It's not our traffic.

1488
01:12:41,215 --> 01:12:44,965
We are not causing it, you know,

1489
01:12:45,545 --> 01:12:47,005
and that's all I have to say.

1490
01:12:47,695 --> 01:12:48,965
Thank you. Thank you.

1491
01:12:54,345 --> 01:12:58,165
Hi, John Seit. I live on four 21st Street.

1492
01:12:58,605 --> 01:13:02,165
I just want to address that First Street does indeed take

1493
01:13:03,045 --> 01:13:06,405
a big chunk of the overflow of traffic.

1494
01:13:06,475 --> 01:13:09,605
It's not like we're completely closed off to taking some of

1495
01:13:09,605 --> 01:13:14,165
that commuter traffic off or l ave People off

1496
01:13:14,185 --> 01:13:18,005
or l Ave are able to turn left on First Street.

1497
01:13:19,405 --> 01:13:20,925
I think every resident in town and,

1498
01:13:21,105 --> 01:13:23,725
and I know we all have friends, I'm like close in Hallworth

1499
01:13:23,725 --> 01:13:25,365
and other towns when you tell them, oh,

1500
01:13:25,365 --> 01:13:26,885
I live on First Street in Orell,

1501
01:13:27,275 --> 01:13:28,965
what they all say, oh, the cut through street.

1502
01:13:29,845 --> 01:13:32,485
Everyone knows fir First Street has historically been known

1503
01:13:32,945 --> 01:13:35,725
as the cut through street to get from here to White Beaches,

1504
01:13:35,745 --> 01:13:37,005
the Hallworth into that area.

1505
01:13:37,385 --> 01:13:40,085
So we do take a big brunt of the traffic

1506
01:13:40,945 --> 01:13:44,045
off Orell Ave pe like e Everyone's saying it, everyone says

1507
01:13:44,045 --> 01:13:46,245
that they see what's going on in, on First Street.

1508
01:13:46,265 --> 01:13:50,625
So it's not like we're not taking any of the brunt or,

1509
01:13:50,625 --> 01:13:51,665
or the share of the traffic.

1510
01:13:52,715 --> 01:13:54,865
Again, we're known as a a, a cut through street.

1511
01:13:55,855 --> 01:13:57,785
Oral Ave is a county thoroughfare.

1512
01:13:57,965 --> 01:14:00,585
County thoroughfares are designed

1513
01:14:00,685 --> 01:14:04,625
and made the handle high volume traffic, commuter traffic.

1514
01:14:05,685 --> 01:14:07,905
And again, we're just a small residential street

1515
01:14:08,295 --> 01:14:11,485
that spans three blocks meant for local traffic,

1516
01:14:11,825 --> 01:14:13,365
narrow winding.

1517
01:14:15,625 --> 01:14:18,725
And we still take our, a very good share

1518
01:14:19,145 --> 01:14:22,685
of the traffic away from the high volume peak hours.

1519
01:14:22,785 --> 01:14:25,965
So I just wanted to, I I I respect that you,

1520
01:14:26,435 --> 01:14:28,445
that you're trying to advocate

1521
01:14:28,465 --> 01:14:29,965
for your problems and your issues.

1522
01:14:30,745 --> 01:14:32,805
But I like everyone else is saying, I think

1523
01:14:34,065 --> 01:14:37,555
town wide solutions like better law, like be better

1524
01:14:38,085 --> 01:14:39,635
visibility of law enforcement

1525
01:14:39,655 --> 01:14:43,915
and enforcement of traffic infractions would be much,

1526
01:14:44,715 --> 01:14:48,235
would be a better, like a, a a better solution to this as

1527
01:14:48,495 --> 01:14:49,755
as opposed to say, you know,

1528
01:14:49,755 --> 01:14:51,675
the we're we're complaining about these speeders

1529
01:14:52,455 --> 01:14:53,635
who inherently are speeding.

1530
01:14:53,655 --> 01:14:54,915
If they're trying to cut through the street,

1531
01:14:54,915 --> 01:14:56,195
they inherently want to get there

1532
01:14:56,195 --> 01:14:57,595
before those other guys hence them

1533
01:14:57,595 --> 01:14:58,915
driving crazy through our street.

1534
01:14:59,005 --> 01:15:00,355
These guys who aren't signaling,

1535
01:15:00,355 --> 01:15:02,475
not allowing residents from country club to turn

1536
01:15:03,465 --> 01:15:05,035
diverting them to

1537
01:15:05,175 --> 01:15:06,995
to our streets not gonna solve the problem.

1538
01:15:07,275 --> 01:15:10,195
I think it, it comes down to traffic enforcement.

1539
01:15:10,255 --> 01:15:12,315
And I, again, I just wanted to reiterate

1540
01:15:12,315 --> 01:15:14,355
that First Street does take a big brunt

1541
01:15:14,355 --> 01:15:15,635
of the traffic. Thank you.

1542
01:15:16,005 --> 01:15:16,475
Thank you.

1543
01:15:22,525 --> 01:15:26,035
James Hayden, country Club Drive, Marin Council.

1544
01:15:26,175 --> 01:15:28,675
I'd like to inquire

1545
01:15:29,745 --> 01:15:32,115
what has been the history over the last two years

1546
01:15:32,895 --> 01:15:33,915
of accidents

1547
01:15:33,915 --> 01:15:38,755
and near accidents at the corner of Grant Ave and

1548
01:15:38,775 --> 01:15:43,395
or Odell Ave as compared to other corners through the town.

1549
01:15:44,945 --> 01:15:46,555
It's my only question. Thank you

1550
01:15:54,105 --> 01:15:55,105
Steve Shimel.

1551
01:15:55,105 --> 01:15:56,295
I live at five 21st Street,

1552
01:15:56,295 --> 01:15:57,935
which is right on the corner at first and Grant,

1553
01:15:58,235 --> 01:15:59,695
and I feel compelled to just answer

1554
01:15:59,695 --> 01:16:00,855
just based on that last question.

1555
01:16:01,495 --> 01:16:03,535
I've been in town for about eight years now,

1556
01:16:03,555 --> 01:16:06,495
but in my first five years there were five car accidents

1557
01:16:06,495 --> 01:16:08,495
that ended up on my lawn.

1558
01:16:09,235 --> 01:16:12,575
The town has made some changes, mainly painting the

1559
01:16:13,175 --> 01:16:14,975
shoulder on Grant to slow people down

1560
01:16:15,315 --> 01:16:16,255
and make them realize that

1561
01:16:16,255 --> 01:16:17,455
they're, they're approaching a curve.

1562
01:16:17,915 --> 01:16:20,135
But, so there's obviously a safety issue,

1563
01:16:20,935 --> 01:16:23,095
but one thing I wanna point out is that taking down

1564
01:16:23,095 --> 01:16:25,295
that no right turn is not gonna make the issue

1565
01:16:25,295 --> 01:16:26,895
better every day.

1566
01:16:26,935 --> 01:16:29,135
I see people make that right turn illegally anyway.

1567
01:16:29,675 --> 01:16:31,495
And one thing that I see is that

1568
01:16:31,495 --> 01:16:35,055
because of that no right turn sign, they, they slow down

1569
01:16:35,055 --> 01:16:36,055
to see if they're cops there.

1570
01:16:36,315 --> 01:16:38,975
And, and at least if, if nothing else, they're slowing down.

1571
01:16:39,435 --> 01:16:41,535
And when I, 'cause when I'm backing outta my driveway,

1572
01:16:41,805 --> 01:16:42,815
they can't see me.

1573
01:16:43,255 --> 01:16:45,215
I can't see them. And if they make that quick, right,

1574
01:16:45,735 --> 01:16:47,135
there's been like five or six times

1575
01:16:47,135 --> 01:16:49,415
that I've almost backed right into people making

1576
01:16:49,415 --> 01:16:51,175
that turn again because it's a blind spot.

1577
01:16:51,755 --> 01:16:53,375
So I hope you don't take the sign down.

1578
01:16:54,105 --> 01:16:54,455
Thank

1579
01:17:02,785 --> 01:17:05,175
Linda Bassing Country Club Drive.

1580
01:17:06,855 --> 01:17:08,255
A couple years before I retired,

1581
01:17:08,415 --> 01:17:09,685
I started working from home.

1582
01:17:10,865 --> 01:17:14,205
And the biggest reason why I was happy about

1583
01:17:14,205 --> 01:17:15,885
that was I didn't have to drive out

1584
01:17:15,885 --> 01:17:17,885
of country club in the morning, try

1585
01:17:17,885 --> 01:17:20,615
and make, get out of Country club

1586
01:17:20,615 --> 01:17:21,775
and get onto Orangedale Avenue.

1587
01:17:22,925 --> 01:17:24,455
It's impossible sometimes,

1588
01:17:25,755 --> 01:17:29,175
but I think this is a bigger problem than just one street.

1589
01:17:30,455 --> 01:17:32,495
I don't know any other streets in town.

1590
01:17:32,615 --> 01:17:34,615
I might certainly could be wrong,

1591
01:17:34,795 --> 01:17:37,255
but I don't know any other streets in town

1592
01:17:37,255 --> 01:17:39,535
that have speed humps except for First Street.

1593
01:17:40,475 --> 01:17:44,415
And to me that's, if that's not preferential, I don't know

1594
01:17:44,415 --> 01:17:48,095
what it's, but I think it's a bigger problem than just one

1595
01:17:48,095 --> 01:17:50,295
street problems, not dogs.

1596
01:17:51,405 --> 01:17:54,475
It's a big traffic issue trying to get out

1597
01:17:54,475 --> 01:17:56,475
of Orangedale Avenue in the morning, round eight o'clock.

1598
01:17:56,815 --> 01:17:59,755
Say it's backed up into Hallworth.

1599
01:17:59,785 --> 01:18:01,915
It's backed up to New Milford on the other side.

1600
01:18:02,705 --> 01:18:05,555
It's a big problem. And I think Eileen started something

1601
01:18:05,555 --> 01:18:07,555
really nice to, to talk about.

1602
01:18:09,155 --> 01:18:11,435
I think it's, I think you should do some kind of a traffic,

1603
01:18:12,945 --> 01:18:14,115
traffic study maybe.

1604
01:18:14,275 --> 01:18:17,315
I don't know. It's a, whether the police have some,

1605
01:18:17,405 --> 01:18:19,755
maybe it's a policing thing.

1606
01:18:20,735 --> 01:18:23,205
Maybe we need some more enforcement. I don't know.

1607
01:18:23,205 --> 01:18:24,885
But it's a big, it's a bigger problem

1608
01:18:24,915 --> 01:18:26,205
than what, what people think.

1609
01:18:36,635 --> 01:18:38,125
Yeah. Okay,

1610
01:18:38,665 --> 01:18:40,725
Tom weer four 50 Orell.

1611
01:18:41,825 --> 01:18:43,565
I'm not good at this, so I'm going

1612
01:18:43,565 --> 01:18:44,965
to just jump right into it.

1613
01:18:46,975 --> 01:18:49,325
Being a person who, who lives on Orell Avenue

1614
01:18:49,425 --> 01:18:53,045
for almost 30 years, I'm sensitive to my friends

1615
01:18:53,105 --> 01:18:55,925
who live on grant and and country club.

1616
01:18:56,105 --> 01:18:59,165
I'm sensitive to my neighbors who live on Orell Avenue.

1617
01:19:00,705 --> 01:19:02,965
We all face a very similar problem.

1618
01:19:03,145 --> 01:19:04,805
And that's getting out of our homes.

1619
01:19:05,545 --> 01:19:07,805
We have problems in the morning on First Street.

1620
01:19:08,325 --> 01:19:12,285
I have a problem on Odell Avenue all the time. I have noise.

1621
01:19:12,305 --> 01:19:14,205
Things that people have never talked about.

1622
01:19:14,565 --> 01:19:17,005
I have people, I don't know why other people in other towns

1623
01:19:17,005 --> 01:19:19,685
on, pardon the pun, are the horniest people in the

1624
01:19:19,765 --> 01:19:20,845
world since the pandemic.

1625
01:19:21,225 --> 01:19:24,165
But they're blasting their horns now at five 30 in the

1626
01:19:24,165 --> 01:19:25,925
morning to come through Elm Street

1627
01:19:26,115 --> 01:19:28,645
because there's too much traffic coming that way.

1628
01:19:28,865 --> 01:19:31,605
So we contend with all of the different variances,

1629
01:19:32,225 --> 01:19:35,045
all the different variety of problems in front

1630
01:19:35,045 --> 01:19:36,645
of our homes all day long.

1631
01:19:37,065 --> 01:19:38,765
And there are a handful of home homes

1632
01:19:38,765 --> 01:19:42,005
that are on Third Street, second Street and First Street

1633
01:19:42,025 --> 01:19:43,445
and Orell Avenue that we have

1634
01:19:43,445 --> 01:19:44,525
to contend with those problems.

1635
01:19:45,305 --> 01:19:49,485
But since the signs have been put up, we, we, we were there

1636
01:19:49,485 --> 01:19:53,005
before they were, we were able to get out of our properties

1637
01:19:53,625 --> 01:19:55,045
on Orell Avenue in the morning.

1638
01:19:55,205 --> 01:19:58,125
'cause we weren't able to. We had same problems our friends

1639
01:19:58,145 --> 01:19:59,205
on Grant have now.

1640
01:19:59,745 --> 01:20:02,005
So it is a big problem and it's a huge problem.

1641
01:20:02,065 --> 01:20:05,085
And I, and I, I thoroughly respect their concerns.

1642
01:20:06,145 --> 01:20:07,995
It was done in our opinion for safety.

1643
01:20:08,555 --> 01:20:10,155
There were cars again.

1644
01:20:10,185 --> 01:20:11,555
Someone mentioned someone came

1645
01:20:11,555 --> 01:20:14,195
around them when they were cutting into the driveway.

1646
01:20:14,275 --> 01:20:17,035
I think it was Terry, it's happened to me multiple times.

1647
01:20:17,305 --> 01:20:21,395
I've nearly crashed my own car because someone cut me off

1648
01:20:22,215 --> 01:20:25,275
and almost went up my driveway at about 60 miles an hour.

1649
01:20:25,755 --> 01:20:28,235
I live 150 feet to the end of the corner.

1650
01:20:28,695 --> 01:20:31,115
So we have people doing crazy things all the time.

1651
01:20:31,215 --> 01:20:33,155
Our police are good, but they're not there all the time.

1652
01:20:34,535 --> 01:20:37,235
I'd like to point out, you know, this is a value.

1653
01:20:37,445 --> 01:20:38,875
We've made these decisions already

1654
01:20:38,875 --> 01:20:41,155
and we've been living with this for almost 30 years now.

1655
01:20:41,735 --> 01:20:44,755
Making the change to go backward is going

1656
01:20:44,755 --> 01:20:46,595
to make some people's lives a little better,

1657
01:20:46,895 --> 01:20:49,435
but make a whole lot of people's lives a lot worse.

1658
01:20:49,895 --> 01:20:52,155
And I think that's an important difference right now.

1659
01:20:52,635 --> 01:20:53,995
I don't want to make their lives worse.

1660
01:20:54,235 --> 01:20:55,795
I, I would like their lives to get better,

1661
01:20:56,055 --> 01:20:58,275
but I don't want my life to get really the quality

1662
01:20:58,275 --> 01:20:59,475
of my life to get that much worse.

1663
01:20:59,575 --> 01:21:02,035
And I live only on first street at the corner.

1664
01:21:02,455 --> 01:21:04,355
The folks that on the other who really deal

1665
01:21:04,355 --> 01:21:08,515
with this illegal turning illegal, a lot of illegal speeding

1666
01:21:09,365 --> 01:21:12,435
speed humps, which have turned into little challenges

1667
01:21:12,495 --> 01:21:14,275
for four wheel drive, Jeeps

1668
01:21:14,275 --> 01:21:17,675
and trucks to see how much air they can get going over and,

1669
01:21:17,735 --> 01:21:20,355
and hearing that in the middle of the night, putting up

1670
01:21:20,355 --> 01:21:24,075
with people who live on, in Howorth wanting

1671
01:21:24,075 --> 01:21:25,755
to beep every time they go over the speed bunk.

1672
01:21:25,915 --> 01:21:26,955
'cause they don't like the speed bunks.

1673
01:21:27,015 --> 01:21:28,155
We have the same problems

1674
01:21:28,295 --> 01:21:30,595
and maybe seemingly to a small scale,

1675
01:21:30,855 --> 01:21:33,395
but it really was about not convenience,

1676
01:21:33,395 --> 01:21:34,435
but it was really about safety.

1677
01:21:34,995 --> 01:21:36,995
I don't want your safety to be jeopardized.

1678
01:21:36,995 --> 01:21:38,395
I don't want my safety to be jeopardized.

1679
01:21:38,635 --> 01:21:40,475
I don't want your convenience to be jeopardized.

1680
01:21:40,595 --> 01:21:41,675
I don't want mine to be either.

1681
01:21:42,215 --> 01:21:44,915
But right now where we are, if you take that away, it will,

1682
01:21:45,175 --> 01:21:47,075
the bigger answer right now is

1683
01:21:47,075 --> 01:21:48,235
what are we gonna do about the train?

1684
01:21:48,775 --> 01:21:51,875
The train is a major problem right now

1685
01:21:52,175 --> 01:21:55,475
for the backup traffic into Ardell Avenue.

1686
01:21:55,695 --> 01:21:59,155
And by the way, when it backs up all the way into Grant,

1687
01:21:59,285 --> 01:22:00,915
those people cut down first street.

1688
01:22:01,105 --> 01:22:02,475
They just do it automatically.

1689
01:22:02,475 --> 01:22:03,955
They just take the liberty to do it.

1690
01:22:04,375 --> 01:22:07,475
So if we can fix the train situation in the morning,

1691
01:22:07,845 --> 01:22:09,595
it'll alleviate the problem in the morning.

1692
01:22:09,915 --> 01:22:11,795
Some of the problem in the morning, it'll, we have

1693
01:22:11,795 --> 01:22:13,795
to get better at making people able be able

1694
01:22:13,795 --> 01:22:16,275
to make left hand turns onto Elm Street.

1695
01:22:16,655 --> 01:22:18,595
That's a problem. Those lights don't work.

1696
01:22:18,595 --> 01:22:20,755
They, they blow through those blinking lights for the kids.

1697
01:22:21,145 --> 01:22:22,915
Kids are allow, you know, I think they drive by

1698
01:22:22,915 --> 01:22:25,075
and get points for how many people they can scare in the

1699
01:22:25,075 --> 01:22:26,675
morning, how close they can come to you

1700
01:22:26,815 --> 01:22:28,075
and how fast they can come to you.

1701
01:22:28,265 --> 01:22:31,475
It's crazy sometimes just like mayhem can't tell you

1702
01:22:31,475 --> 01:22:32,715
how many times I've almost been hit.

1703
01:22:32,865 --> 01:22:33,955
It's ridiculous.

1704
01:22:34,335 --> 01:22:37,635
If I called every time that I had an issue,

1705
01:22:38,735 --> 01:22:40,835
our police department wouldn't be doing anything else.

1706
01:22:41,175 --> 01:22:42,395
And that's not fair to our police.

1707
01:22:42,875 --> 01:22:44,235
Our police have been great. I have

1708
01:22:44,255 --> 01:22:45,355
no problem with our police.

1709
01:22:45,815 --> 01:22:49,075
But the really take care of the traffic where the roots are.

1710
01:22:49,335 --> 01:22:50,355
Kinder CIMA Avenue

1711
01:22:50,535 --> 01:22:54,995
and Oral Avenue is biggest center problem

1712
01:22:55,095 --> 01:22:57,075
for our traffic flow in the morning.

1713
01:22:57,175 --> 01:22:58,875
You gotta make lights longer,

1714
01:22:59,135 --> 01:23:01,915
you gotta make the traffic move better through Kinder Kmac

1715
01:23:02,455 --> 01:23:05,725
get the traffic away from Grant and Oral Avenue.

1716
01:23:05,905 --> 01:23:09,445
It backs up. If that traffic backed up on Kinder Kmac in

1717
01:23:09,445 --> 01:23:12,845
either direction, the way it backs up into Hallworth,

1718
01:23:13,625 --> 01:23:16,325
people everywhere would be crazy and nuts about it.

1719
01:23:16,435 --> 01:23:17,925
It's really a problem fix.

1720
01:23:17,985 --> 01:23:21,525
If we start to fix those problems, it'll improve the quality

1721
01:23:21,545 --> 01:23:23,245
of life of the people who live on Grant.

1722
01:23:23,585 --> 01:23:25,885
Not greatly, not perfectly, but it will help.

1723
01:23:26,235 --> 01:23:29,885
They do need big time help crossing the streets over there.

1724
01:23:30,175 --> 01:23:34,245
Super dangerous. The intersection at Oral Avenue and Kinder

1725
01:23:34,665 --> 01:23:37,245
and Grant is horrific.

1726
01:23:38,005 --> 01:23:39,525
Wouldn't I crossed my dog there?

1727
01:23:39,645 --> 01:23:42,925
I I I fear for my life. Thank you. Thank

1728
01:23:42,925 --> 01:23:43,925
You.

1729
01:23:55,425 --> 01:23:57,965
Can I come back? I just have one thing about the train

1730
01:23:58,785 --> 01:23:59,885
You one crack at the apple.

1731
01:24:00,635 --> 01:24:01,885
Okay, well it's about the train.

1732
01:24:02,365 --> 01:24:03,925
I think we can acknowledge the train's an issue

1733
01:24:04,065 --> 01:24:05,245
we we share in that sentiment.

1734
01:24:05,265 --> 01:24:07,325
But I was gonna say if the train would just move further

1735
01:24:07,325 --> 01:24:09,085
down so that it wouldn't stop it

1736
01:24:09,785 --> 01:24:11,685
and that that's what they do in River Edge,

1737
01:24:11,995 --> 01:24:14,325
they can either put more asphalt so

1738
01:24:14,325 --> 01:24:15,765
that they extend the platform

1739
01:24:15,985 --> 01:24:18,285
or in river edge you just can't get off

1740
01:24:18,305 --> 01:24:19,645
or on in the first car. So

1741
01:24:20,025 --> 01:24:21,765
The problems also when the train's going north,

1742
01:24:21,765 --> 01:24:23,365
because it is bi-directional service,

1743
01:24:23,745 --> 01:24:24,845
it still blocks the road

1744
01:24:24,845 --> 01:24:27,085
because there's no platform on the north side of the street.

1745
01:24:27,085 --> 01:24:28,085
Right. But at least it would help

1746
01:24:28,085 --> 01:24:29,065
In one direct.

1747
01:24:29,065 --> 01:24:30,245
So we, we we understand the train. We agree.

1748
01:24:35,665 --> 01:24:39,565
Hi, can you hear me? Thanks for having me.

1749
01:24:39,585 --> 01:24:40,845
My name is Kelly Avalara.

1750
01:24:41,045 --> 01:24:43,285
I live on First Street in a house

1751
01:24:43,285 --> 01:24:45,085
with two young kids and two dogs.

1752
01:24:45,665 --> 01:24:49,485
We moved from Harlem to oral in 2021 with hopes

1753
01:24:49,485 --> 01:24:51,365
to raise our children in a safe neighborhood.

1754
01:24:51,985 --> 01:24:53,485
And I wanted to start by saying

1755
01:24:53,485 --> 01:24:55,525
that I completely understand the frustration

1756
01:24:55,525 --> 01:24:58,605
with the congestion at Oral Avenue and Grant Street.

1757
01:24:58,985 --> 01:25:01,565
And I agree that it's a problem that deserves a solution.

1758
01:25:02,345 --> 01:25:04,605
My concern is that opening First Street as a

1759
01:25:04,605 --> 01:25:08,285
through road may solve traffic flow problems at one

1760
01:25:08,285 --> 01:25:10,805
intersection while creating a much more serious safety

1761
01:25:10,805 --> 01:25:13,005
problem on a narrow residential street.

1762
01:25:13,895 --> 01:25:17,445
First Street is cur is a curving residential street

1763
01:25:17,445 --> 01:25:21,485
with limited visibility, residential driveways, pedestrians,

1764
01:25:21,765 --> 01:25:23,365
children and people walking dogs.

1765
01:25:24,085 --> 01:25:27,005
I firsthand have experienced walking across First Street

1766
01:25:27,035 --> 01:25:30,045
onto third Street at a toddler's walking pace

1767
01:25:30,505 --> 01:25:33,965
and having been met with a fast car coming around the bend

1768
01:25:34,025 --> 01:25:35,765
and thankfully stopping in their tracks.

1769
01:25:36,145 --> 01:25:40,925
It happens all the time if it's opened specifically

1770
01:25:40,945 --> 01:25:42,125
to relieve congestion.

1771
01:25:42,405 --> 01:25:45,085
I think we must anticipate that drivers will use it

1772
01:25:45,085 --> 01:25:46,645
as a shortcut, which they already do.

1773
01:25:46,905 --> 01:25:48,965
And that the volume of speed traffic could

1774
01:25:48,965 --> 01:25:50,005
change significantly.

1775
01:25:50,595 --> 01:25:53,605
Traffic safety guidance recognizes that congestion,

1776
01:25:53,605 --> 01:25:55,925
major roads can cause drivers to divert

1777
01:25:55,925 --> 01:25:57,205
through residential neighborhoods

1778
01:25:57,665 --> 01:26:01,285
and it can increase speeding and pedestrian conflicts.

1779
01:26:01,655 --> 01:26:03,805
There are communities where residential cut

1780
01:26:03,805 --> 01:26:06,525
through traffics have resulted in pedestrian collisions

1781
01:26:06,665 --> 01:26:09,165
and where significant measures ultimately had to be taken

1782
01:26:09,225 --> 01:26:10,845
to slow and discourage that traffic.

1783
01:26:11,745 --> 01:26:13,445
I'm not opposed to finding a solution

1784
01:26:13,465 --> 01:26:15,005
to the congestion at Grant Street.

1785
01:26:15,425 --> 01:26:17,925
I'm asking that we not simply move the problem from one

1786
01:26:18,125 --> 01:26:21,245
location to another without first evaluating the safety

1787
01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:23,645
consequences for the residents of First Street.

1788
01:26:24,285 --> 01:26:26,125
A frustrating intersection at a tra

1789
01:26:26,185 --> 01:26:28,365
and a traffic delay are inconveniences

1790
01:26:28,785 --> 01:26:31,845
and a serious accident involving a child, a pedestrian

1791
01:26:31,865 --> 01:26:34,885
or cyclist on a residential street is an entirely

1792
01:26:34,885 --> 01:26:36,045
different consequence.

1793
01:26:36,645 --> 01:26:38,805
I would respectfully ask that this be evaluated

1794
01:26:38,805 --> 01:26:40,045
as a traffic engineering

1795
01:26:40,245 --> 01:26:43,565
and public safety issue rather than a question

1796
01:26:43,565 --> 01:26:46,325
of whether opening First Street would improve traffic flow

1797
01:26:46,345 --> 01:26:47,445
or help with favoritism.

1798
01:26:48,125 --> 01:26:49,245
I think the residents dealing

1799
01:26:49,275 --> 01:26:51,365
with congestion deserve a solution,

1800
01:26:51,585 --> 01:26:53,205
but the residents living on First Street

1801
01:26:53,205 --> 01:26:54,285
deserve a safe solution.

1802
01:26:54,815 --> 01:26:59,805
Thank you. You opened

1803
01:26:59,865 --> 01:27:01,725
it up for, I didn't open it up.

1804
01:27:01,745 --> 01:27:04,045
She spoke at the microphone. I said No, stop it.

1805
01:27:04,085 --> 01:27:07,205
I want you get one shot. Those are the rules. Nice.

1806
01:27:07,575 --> 01:27:10,575
Sorry Eileen, can I comment?

1807
01:27:12,325 --> 01:27:13,935
Anybody else from the public would like

1808
01:27:13,935 --> 01:27:16,895
to address the council on a non agenda item?

1809
01:27:19,525 --> 01:27:20,525
Yeah.

1810
01:27:20,845 --> 01:27:23,855
Good evening Counsel. Paul 50 Beverly Road.

1811
01:27:27,015 --> 01:27:28,935
I see that we have a lot of problems with traffic

1812
01:27:29,035 --> 01:27:32,175
and the speeding and the train station

1813
01:27:32,955 --> 01:27:34,495
and those are the things that we have to work on.

1814
01:27:35,035 --> 01:27:36,695
And that's my only comment on that

1815
01:27:36,725 --> 01:27:38,615
because I didn't come here to talk about

1816
01:27:38,615 --> 01:27:39,935
that particular thing.

1817
01:27:41,315 --> 01:27:42,455
Now in action

1818
01:27:42,475 --> 01:27:47,255
and delay, I wanna talk about that The planning board failed

1819
01:27:47,675 --> 01:27:51,895
to meet again three times in four months.

1820
01:27:52,845 --> 01:27:56,495
They had failed to, to

1821
01:27:58,185 --> 01:28:01,335
bring forth the ordinance on Windows

1822
01:28:01,755 --> 01:28:03,975
for storefronts to the council.

1823
01:28:07,635 --> 01:28:10,655
On another topic, the sidewalk correction

1824
01:28:10,755 --> 01:28:14,695
and repair on prospect is being addressed.

1825
01:28:15,415 --> 01:28:20,335
Hurrah, that's good on safety concerns.

1826
01:28:21,035 --> 01:28:24,895
The project to re replace light posts to provide

1827
01:28:24,955 --> 01:28:27,575
for increased lighting is also being addressed

1828
01:28:28,485 --> 01:28:29,695
from River Edge

1829
01:28:30,155 --> 01:28:34,615
and Orell border on Kinder cmac to Ringwood,

1830
01:28:35,495 --> 01:28:39,975
Ridgewood and kinder Kmac rah, that's great for safety.

1831
01:28:41,835 --> 01:28:45,575
The speed indicator on the east side of Kinder Cmac

1832
01:28:47,345 --> 01:28:50,855
north of New Milford Avenue has not been

1833
01:28:52,295 --> 01:28:53,775
repaired or replaced.

1834
01:28:54,435 --> 01:28:58,255
It was knocked down. Maybe we need more speed and indicators

1835
01:28:58,875 --> 01:29:02,085
or big signs that say 25 miles per hour

1836
01:29:02,625 --> 01:29:06,605
and then we have to back it up with

1837
01:29:07,465 --> 01:29:09,445
our police force and ticket.

1838
01:29:11,025 --> 01:29:13,205
The playgrounds of Prospect Avenue

1839
01:29:13,385 --> 01:29:18,005
and Ridgewood Avenue Deepak

1840
01:29:18,345 --> 01:29:21,805
are both in need of repair and maintenance.

1841
01:29:22,605 --> 01:29:24,845
I dunno, it's from the storm or what.

1842
01:29:25,795 --> 01:29:30,405
Both have a tripping hazard or ground coverings exposed

1843
01:29:30,825 --> 01:29:33,885
and the need of wood chip coverings.

1844
01:29:34,425 --> 01:29:38,885
The Prospect Playground has a yellow tape to surrounding

1845
01:29:39,405 --> 01:29:42,765
a lower portion of the slide, not in use, you know,

1846
01:29:42,785 --> 01:29:47,565
as I pass by today, they have those traffic horses there

1847
01:29:47,665 --> 01:29:49,205
so that the kids can't use that.

1848
01:29:51,025 --> 01:29:55,765
The sidewalk brick wall in front of our library is

1849
01:29:56,875 --> 01:29:58,965
once again in need of repair

1850
01:29:59,065 --> 01:30:00,565
and there's a hazard to tripping

1851
01:30:00,745 --> 01:30:02,445
to people entering the library.

1852
01:30:05,145 --> 01:30:07,605
So these are all safety issues that are happening

1853
01:30:08,305 --> 01:30:12,605
and they're all maintenance issues in, in light of the

1854
01:30:14,045 --> 01:30:16,965
DPW, having less people working there.

1855
01:30:17,065 --> 01:30:18,565
We can't take care of all these things

1856
01:30:19,025 --> 01:30:21,165
unless we get some more people to work

1857
01:30:22,425 --> 01:30:23,845
and get these things fixed.

1858
01:30:25,915 --> 01:30:30,005
Note on the water filters for pfas

1859
01:30:30,505 --> 01:30:31,685
and microplastics

1860
01:30:32,585 --> 01:30:37,285
and I spoke about this at the last meeting at $2.5 billion

1861
01:30:37,545 --> 01:30:41,965
was distributed as a result of DuPont.

1862
01:30:42,065 --> 01:30:45,565
And who was the other one? I forgot the other one.

1863
01:30:45,705 --> 01:30:49,365
DuPont and another company that had to pay it.

1864
01:30:50,845 --> 01:30:52,605
I I, I think that that

1865
01:30:54,945 --> 01:30:58,375
money should be forwarded some of it to our

1866
01:31:00,695 --> 01:31:05,255
Veolia to put in these filters now, now that we know how to

1867
01:31:06,545 --> 01:31:09,815
clear microplastics out so we don't get it in our bodies.

1868
01:31:09,995 --> 01:31:12,895
And I think that's the real number one health situation

1869
01:31:13,725 --> 01:31:16,655
problem here and all over the country about

1870
01:31:16,845 --> 01:31:19,295
microplastics and chemicals.

1871
01:31:20,365 --> 01:31:24,775
Okay, no, I just wanna note another couple things here.

1872
01:31:27,425 --> 01:31:31,215
66 kids Kmac Road Lot and Side Street

1873
01:31:31,315 --> 01:31:33,695
and Argyle is in need of weed repair

1874
01:31:33,715 --> 01:31:35,375
and maintenance of weeds.

1875
01:31:35,585 --> 01:31:38,605
Three feet high. And

1876
01:31:40,455 --> 01:31:44,645
while I attended a concert of the Chiclets,

1877
01:31:45,265 --> 01:31:46,885
it was, it was a real nice concert.

1878
01:31:46,905 --> 01:31:50,085
We had, we had a nice concerts this this year.

1879
01:31:50,385 --> 01:31:54,245
Summer concerts, a drone passed over our heads

1880
01:31:55,185 --> 01:31:56,685
and that's the third one I've seen.

1881
01:31:57,425 --> 01:32:00,445
And they're coming from the east and they're going west.

1882
01:32:01,505 --> 01:32:03,125
And who allowed them to do that?

1883
01:32:04,575 --> 01:32:08,115
How do they have permission to fly drones over us

1884
01:32:09,805 --> 01:32:11,275
going from east to west?

1885
01:32:12,435 --> 01:32:17,155
I think somebody should look into that. And that's it.

1886
01:32:17,575 --> 01:32:21,355
And the third drone I've seen, that was the third drone

1887
01:32:21,355 --> 01:32:22,995
that I saw this year.

1888
01:32:23,535 --> 01:32:24,835
And I thank you for listening

1889
01:32:25,575 --> 01:32:29,275
and I hope we can all get together

1890
01:32:29,335 --> 01:32:31,275
and solve this problem that you guys have.

1891
01:32:35,805 --> 01:32:38,795
Thank you Paul. Thanks.

1892
01:32:41,955 --> 01:32:44,435
Hi, I'm Bill Kurtz. I'm at 4 21 first Street.

1893
01:32:45,155 --> 01:32:46,795
I was here about a year and a half ago.

1894
01:32:46,855 --> 01:32:48,955
We had a whole meeting about that corner

1895
01:32:49,295 --> 01:32:51,995
and I spent two hours here with my neighbors trying, trying

1896
01:32:51,995 --> 01:32:54,755
to figure out ways to make that specific corner better.

1897
01:32:55,095 --> 01:32:56,555
And nothing happened. I mean,

1898
01:32:56,555 --> 01:32:58,555
literally they put up some cones on the curve,

1899
01:32:58,575 --> 01:32:59,835
but nothing happened at the corner.

1900
01:33:00,375 --> 01:33:01,715
And we spent two hours

1901
01:33:01,735 --> 01:33:04,115
and there was a, a, a company that did a study

1902
01:33:04,215 --> 01:33:05,635
and a lot went into it.

1903
01:33:05,635 --> 01:33:07,235
So I'm, I'm wondering, like I hear

1904
01:33:07,235 --> 01:33:09,395
that there's gonna be a meeting on the 24th about public

1905
01:33:09,395 --> 01:33:11,515
safety, but if we're having meetings

1906
01:33:11,515 --> 01:33:14,795
but nothing's coming of it, what are we doing here?

1907
01:33:14,795 --> 01:33:16,955
Because I, I'm seeing neighbors going at each other

1908
01:33:17,505 --> 01:33:19,475
when we had a meeting two years ago

1909
01:33:20,045 --> 01:33:22,395
about this specific corner and nothing was done.

1910
01:33:22,855 --> 01:33:26,795
So I just encouraged the council to use maybe that data from

1911
01:33:26,795 --> 01:33:28,395
that meeting to move forward

1912
01:33:28,395 --> 01:33:31,235
with creating a solution at that specific corner.

1913
01:33:31,815 --> 01:33:32,815
Thanks.

1914
01:33:40,465 --> 01:33:42,955
Good evening. J Katzen Laurel Drive.

1915
01:33:45,075 --> 01:33:47,475
I hear the, all the people. Thank you all for coming.

1916
01:33:47,585 --> 01:33:51,245
It's good to see so many people, Paul,

1917
01:33:51,745 --> 01:33:53,085
at least we're not alone here.

1918
01:33:56,115 --> 01:33:58,875
I also live on the street on Laurel Drive, which

1919
01:33:59,945 --> 01:34:03,995
some drivers are using as a cut through street

1920
01:34:05,385 --> 01:34:08,595
from Spring Valley Road into Martin

1921
01:34:09,175 --> 01:34:13,195
and also into, what is it?

1922
01:34:13,995 --> 01:34:15,435
Ridgewood Avenue, east Ridgewood Avenue.

1923
01:34:17,055 --> 01:34:18,595
But those are usually,

1924
01:34:19,815 --> 01:34:22,915
or the residents that are just trying to cut through

1925
01:34:23,515 --> 01:34:25,035
a little closer to their home.

1926
01:34:26,335 --> 01:34:29,155
One guy that was talking about the cut through here

1927
01:34:30,185 --> 01:34:32,995
touched a point that none of you have touched.

1928
01:34:34,545 --> 01:34:36,595
Most of the drivers that are going

1929
01:34:36,595 --> 01:34:40,795
through our town in the morning are not orell residents

1930
01:34:41,455 --> 01:34:44,395
and therefore they allow themselves to speed.

1931
01:34:44,825 --> 01:34:49,235
They allow themselves to do illegal turns to do all that.

1932
01:34:50,745 --> 01:34:55,595
This is a problem. I mean there is a solution for that.

1933
01:34:55,695 --> 01:34:56,795
You put a toll booth

1934
01:34:56,855 --> 01:35:00,885
and you say, you say free, free for

1935
01:35:00,905 --> 01:35:03,605
or the residents, you're gonna solve the problem.

1936
01:35:03,615 --> 01:35:05,925
First of all, the traffic is gonna cut into half.

1937
01:35:05,955 --> 01:35:09,445
Look at New York City with its congestion pricing.

1938
01:35:09,755 --> 01:35:13,805
It's a pleasure to drive now in a city. Pleasure. Yes.

1939
01:35:14,945 --> 01:35:16,125
The other solution,

1940
01:35:17,025 --> 01:35:20,845
and it's been implemented, I drive a lot.

1941
01:35:20,965 --> 01:35:24,605
I work in the New York City area. I drive a lot in Queens.

1942
01:35:24,985 --> 01:35:28,005
If any of you has been in a past five years in Queens,

1943
01:35:28,615 --> 01:35:31,885
every street block has this new AI cameras.

1944
01:35:32,895 --> 01:35:35,485
There are not only red light cameras,

1945
01:35:35,485 --> 01:35:36,925
they're also speeding cameras.

1946
01:35:38,705 --> 01:35:40,965
And then the way they program them

1947
01:35:41,505 --> 01:35:45,445
is you get the ticket at 29 miles per hour.

1948
01:35:45,905 --> 01:35:50,725
25, okay? 26, 27, 28 at 29 you get a ticket.

1949
01:35:51,105 --> 01:35:53,845
And those I think are $125 tickets.

1950
01:35:54,905 --> 01:35:59,125
So the same cameras, maybe we can install the same type

1951
01:35:59,125 --> 01:36:01,045
of cameras as they have all over Queens.

1952
01:36:01,235 --> 01:36:02,725
It's just like every block.

1953
01:36:03,075 --> 01:36:07,285
It's not just like a few blocks without every block which

1954
01:36:07,345 --> 01:36:09,765
has a red light

1955
01:36:09,825 --> 01:36:13,005
or no red light has a speeding camera on it.

1956
01:36:13,265 --> 01:36:15,445
So that will be something to consider.

1957
01:36:15,835 --> 01:36:18,845
This way you're gonna free the patrolmen of

1958
01:36:18,865 --> 01:36:20,085
or Dell to do their job

1959
01:36:20,225 --> 01:36:22,005
and not to stand there and catch drivers.

1960
01:36:23,825 --> 01:36:25,605
So that, that, as far as that,

1961
01:36:26,505 --> 01:36:31,445
and hopefully with the implementing

1962
01:36:31,445 --> 01:36:34,085
of more and more autonomous driving cars,

1963
01:36:35,735 --> 01:36:38,085
those cars with AI

1964
01:36:38,085 --> 01:36:41,965
and the GPS are going to basically direct drivers

1965
01:36:42,545 --> 01:36:43,685
to the safest place

1966
01:36:43,705 --> 01:36:46,205
and to the best route to get to their destination

1967
01:36:46,545 --> 01:36:47,805
and not through Orde.

1968
01:36:48,345 --> 01:36:53,325
So, but that is sometimes away.

1969
01:36:54,525 --> 01:36:58,205
I want to touch on two things.

1970
01:36:59,145 --> 01:37:03,445
The first one of them is, I believe this borrow approved

1971
01:37:04,125 --> 01:37:07,445
a Electric Street cleaners,

1972
01:37:08,665 --> 01:37:11,965
but for the past three months I have not seen

1973
01:37:12,505 --> 01:37:16,245
any street cleaners in my street in Laurel Drive.

1974
01:37:16,845 --> 01:37:19,445
I haven't seen one, so I don't know what happened to that,

1975
01:37:19,505 --> 01:37:21,125
if it needs a repair or something.

1976
01:37:21,865 --> 01:37:25,085
But the oral 5K is coming

1977
01:37:25,705 --> 01:37:28,645
and Laurel Drive is one of the routes of the 5K.

1978
01:37:29,775 --> 01:37:33,035
And it has maybe Dan is listening right now

1979
01:37:33,255 --> 01:37:34,515
and is gonna do that.

1980
01:37:35,655 --> 01:37:38,195
The street needs cleaning and it's not just Laurel Drive.

1981
01:37:38,545 --> 01:37:41,555
There's a photo contest going on in Orell

1982
01:37:41,575 --> 01:37:44,395
and I want people to take photos,

1983
01:37:44,575 --> 01:37:46,635
but we don't want to take photos of streets

1984
01:37:46,665 --> 01:37:49,075
that on the side have leaves

1985
01:37:49,375 --> 01:37:52,395
and debris from the last storm.

1986
01:37:52,605 --> 01:37:53,955
Still from the last storm.

1987
01:37:55,875 --> 01:37:59,215
And the final things is council,

1988
01:38:01,175 --> 01:38:04,055
I just wanna congratulate the ordinance committee

1989
01:38:04,595 --> 01:38:08,535
for finally, finally coming up

1990
01:38:08,715 --> 01:38:12,895
and talking about the ordinance, the upcoming ordinance

1991
01:38:13,075 --> 01:38:14,815
of the honorary street names.

1992
01:38:15,565 --> 01:38:19,735
Okay? And I listened to all the comments that you guys had

1993
01:38:19,995 --> 01:38:23,695
and let's just remind us that this is not,

1994
01:38:23,705 --> 01:38:27,935
we're not changing the street, it's an honorary street name,

1995
01:38:28,265 --> 01:38:30,455
which is attached to the actual street.

1996
01:38:31,155 --> 01:38:32,655
And I like the comments.

1997
01:38:32,855 --> 01:38:36,975
I believe Roger, you said something about, you know,

1998
01:38:36,975 --> 01:38:40,535
feeling the temperature of the people as far as naming,

1999
01:38:41,675 --> 01:38:44,375
you need to feel the temperature of, bless you,

2000
01:38:44,595 --> 01:38:46,415
of the people on the street.

2001
01:38:46,585 --> 01:38:50,135
It'll be nice to, to do on the, for the people

2002
01:38:50,235 --> 01:38:53,855
who are living in the street, in that street,

2003
01:38:54,125 --> 01:38:55,175
what they think about it.

2004
01:38:55,435 --> 01:38:56,535
And yes, neighboring.

2005
01:38:56,875 --> 01:38:58,695
And as far as the time limits,

2006
01:38:58,785 --> 01:39:00,255
we're gonna talk about next time.

2007
01:39:01,015 --> 01:39:02,495
'cause I don't wanna take too much time.

2008
01:39:03,275 --> 01:39:06,655
Not because that beep, that beep. No one is scared of it.

2009
01:39:06,995 --> 01:39:10,415
But the mayor two weeks ago threatened with a gavel

2010
01:39:10,675 --> 01:39:12,295
and that is something to consider.

2011
01:39:21,675 --> 01:39:24,735
That's a good point. Mr. Kason. Thank you. Thanks Mayor.

2012
01:39:24,875 --> 01:39:28,335
Anyone else for public comment on non-consent agenda items?

2013
01:39:29,355 --> 01:39:31,455
Seeing none, I'd ask for a motion to close

2014
01:39:31,555 --> 01:39:33,415
to the public for non-ag agenda. So

2015
01:39:33,415 --> 01:39:34,175
Moved. Second. Second.

2016
01:39:34,515 --> 01:39:38,375
All in favor? Aye. Okay. Any opposed? Motion carries.

2017
01:39:38,765 --> 01:39:40,375
Next I'll entertain a motion to open

2018
01:39:40,715 --> 01:39:42,095
to the public for consent.

2019
01:39:42,115 --> 01:39:46,495
Agenda item only. I make that motion. All in favor?

2020
01:39:47,275 --> 01:39:50,455
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries.

2021
01:39:50,455 --> 01:39:51,975
Before the first speaker gets up,

2022
01:39:52,115 --> 01:39:55,575
we have something on the agenda here, consent agenda.

2023
01:39:56,395 --> 01:39:57,735
And I don't know if I'm missing it,

2024
01:39:57,795 --> 01:40:00,455
but I don't see a resolution 180 6.

2025
01:40:02,855 --> 01:40:06,215
A proposal is not provided to me in order to draft one,

2026
01:40:06,635 --> 01:40:07,635
So we're gonna remove it.

2027
01:40:08,085 --> 01:40:09,175
Okay. So

2028
01:40:09,595 --> 01:40:11,055
before we get speaking,

2029
01:40:11,195 --> 01:40:14,615
180 6 is stricken from the consent agenda for this evening.

2030
01:40:14,705 --> 01:40:17,615
Which one? I'm sorry. 26. 180 6.

2031
01:40:17,965 --> 01:40:20,975
There's no backup in any of our paperwork for that.

2032
01:40:23,445 --> 01:40:26,335
Okay. So we're open to the public

2033
01:40:26,555 --> 01:40:28,855
for comments on any of the resolutions.

2034
01:40:29,035 --> 01:40:31,135
1 77 through 180 5.

2035
01:40:34,275 --> 01:40:36,655
Wow. This soon takes a pass.

2036
01:40:37,035 --> 01:40:39,895
Motion to close public comment for consent. Second.

2037
01:40:39,955 --> 01:40:42,615
Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

2038
01:40:43,285 --> 01:40:44,535
Okay, motion carries.

2039
01:40:45,675 --> 01:40:47,775
So next we'll consider the consent agenda.

2040
01:40:49,685 --> 01:40:53,645
Does any ca member of the council wish to pull an item

2041
01:40:53,905 --> 01:40:56,605
for separate vote or discussion or have questions?

2042
01:40:57,365 --> 01:41:00,325
I don't wanna pull it, but resolution 26 180 4

2043
01:41:00,665 --> 01:41:03,325
and also resolution 26 180 5.

2044
01:41:03,705 --> 01:41:07,245
I'm very familiar with the grant situation

2045
01:41:07,385 --> 01:41:10,805
and neither one mentions A, the amount of grant

2046
01:41:10,835 --> 01:41:11,845
that they're going for

2047
01:41:12,025 --> 01:41:16,285
and B, the amount of money up front that orell may

2048
01:41:16,285 --> 01:41:17,365
or may not have to pay

2049
01:41:17,385 --> 01:41:19,805
and who's where these funds are coming from.

2050
01:41:19,905 --> 01:41:22,445
So I just was curious about that.

2051
01:41:23,145 --> 01:41:25,245
And particularly 26, 180 5,

2052
01:41:25,295 --> 01:41:26,925
which sounds like a wonderful idea,

2053
01:41:28,085 --> 01:41:32,565
but it doesn't say what, if any costs are included with that

2054
01:41:32,625 --> 01:41:34,445
and how those costs would be defrayed,

2055
01:41:35,315 --> 01:41:37,325
Council president, do you have to touch on

2056
01:41:37,325 --> 01:41:38,325
That?

2057
01:41:38,325 --> 01:41:39,645
Yeah, so that's, that's all good news.

2058
01:41:41,615 --> 01:41:44,845
Again, it's for those not looking at it's submission

2059
01:41:44,845 --> 01:41:48,085
for an application to Arts 14 C for

2060
01:41:48,785 --> 01:41:51,805
the 2026 World Cup art installation.

2061
01:41:52,905 --> 01:41:55,405
So the genesis is,

2062
01:41:56,005 --> 01:41:58,605
I was down at the shore reading a shore paper

2063
01:41:58,705 --> 01:42:02,645
and the front page of the paper was a big giant soccer ball.

2064
01:42:02,645 --> 01:42:07,485
It was this picture of art and it was an Asbury park

2065
01:42:07,825 --> 01:42:10,765
and the story had the

2066
01:42:12,665 --> 01:42:14,525
art facility that sponsored that

2067
01:42:14,585 --> 01:42:18,245
and they, the, there are 23 soccer balls right now

2068
01:42:18,245 --> 01:42:21,885
because of the World Cup in this metropolitan area.

2069
01:42:22,225 --> 01:42:24,005
And the story said at the end

2070
01:42:24,005 --> 01:42:27,365
of the World Cup they would be donating them to local

2071
01:42:27,905 --> 01:42:32,285
municipalities, parks, libraries, et cetera, et cetera.

2072
01:42:32,385 --> 01:42:35,805
And I called, I looked it up

2073
01:42:35,805 --> 01:42:39,365
and I called the place 14 c is the name of the art

2074
01:42:39,885 --> 01:42:41,445
studio, I guess in Jersey City.

2075
01:42:42,985 --> 01:42:45,525
And I had, was lucky to get the, the person

2076
01:42:45,525 --> 01:42:46,525
that runs the place

2077
01:42:46,625 --> 01:42:51,525
and I said, hey, we may have some interest for free

2078
01:42:52,225 --> 01:42:55,565
to have that piece of art here for our borough.

2079
01:42:55,905 --> 01:42:57,725
And so that's where it came from

2080
01:42:57,825 --> 01:43:01,285
and we just put in that application to be in that lottery

2081
01:43:01,385 --> 01:43:02,485
to get one of those 23.

2082
01:43:02,485 --> 01:43:04,685
We're gonna find out I think by September 8th.

2083
01:43:05,905 --> 01:43:08,965
So we had a little plan, so the no cost, no installation,

2084
01:43:09,025 --> 01:43:10,365
and you can Google that,

2085
01:43:10,385 --> 01:43:12,325
but I think, I don't know if it came in our packet,

2086
01:43:12,545 --> 01:43:16,765
but it's probably a six by six soccer ball

2087
01:43:16,765 --> 01:43:18,485
that there's 23 different ones from

2088
01:43:18,675 --> 01:43:20,005
artists all over the world.

2089
01:43:21,865 --> 01:43:25,005
So it's really a neat thing to to

2090
01:43:25,345 --> 01:43:30,125
for our borough if we win this and it's various designs

2091
01:43:30,225 --> 01:43:33,365
and just a really neat thing memorializing the World

2092
01:43:33,425 --> 01:43:35,195
Cup. So that's it.

2093
01:43:35,615 --> 01:43:39,995
And my second question was on the 26 180 4, is

2094
01:43:39,995 --> 01:43:41,315
that the arts grant?

2095
01:43:41,545 --> 01:43:43,315
Yeah, so that is an annual grant

2096
01:43:43,335 --> 01:43:44,675
and the mayor could probably speak to that.

2097
01:43:44,675 --> 01:43:49,035
That's from the county, from the County Arts Society

2098
01:43:49,135 --> 01:43:50,675
or something that there's money each year.

2099
01:43:50,745 --> 01:43:52,525
This will be the sixth or seventh year that we

2100
01:43:52,525 --> 01:43:53,525
Have.

2101
01:43:53,525 --> 01:43:54,885
I'm very familiar with that. But I, my question was,

2102
01:43:55,555 --> 01:43:57,085
what does the borough have to put?

2103
01:43:57,085 --> 01:43:58,245
Nothing fully funded.

2104
01:43:58,795 --> 01:44:00,685
Last year, I think it was $6,000, five

2105
01:44:00,685 --> 01:44:03,245
or 6,000 every year that covers the arts festival.

2106
01:44:03,745 --> 01:44:05,965
So it's just an annual application.

2107
01:44:05,965 --> 01:44:07,285
There could potentially be

2108
01:44:07,995 --> 01:44:10,685
some additional funding, but that's all.

2109
01:44:10,705 --> 01:44:13,325
And that pretty much covers all of the costs

2110
01:44:13,385 --> 01:44:14,525
for the festival that we have.

2111
01:44:14,585 --> 01:44:18,765
So it's really just a, an annual event hopefully, you

2112
01:44:18,765 --> 01:44:19,765
Know.

2113
01:44:19,765 --> 01:44:20,285
We'll, so there's no upfront money.

2114
01:44:20,385 --> 01:44:22,085
That's correct. Yeah, no, it's just a check that we

2115
01:44:22,085 --> 01:44:23,085
Got.

2116
01:44:23,085 --> 01:44:24,085
That's interesting. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Tom.

2117
01:44:24,085 --> 01:44:25,045
Really great. Thanks. You're welcome.

2118
01:44:25,045 --> 01:44:25,925
Appreciate it. You're welcome.

2119
01:44:26,905 --> 01:44:29,685
Oh, while we're talking about 180 5, the

2120
01:44:31,705 --> 01:44:36,365
the s ball s sculpture, is that a commitment by us

2121
01:44:36,985 --> 01:44:40,805
to install this if we, if we are granted the

2122
01:44:40,905 --> 01:44:41,905
No, that's the good thing.

2123
01:44:41,905 --> 01:44:43,085
Yeah. That everything fully,

2124
01:44:43,265 --> 01:44:45,205
and you can Google this probably, or

2125
01:44:45,225 --> 01:44:47,165
or we can send this out, but no, you know me,

2126
01:44:47,165 --> 01:44:48,645
bring it here and install it.

2127
01:44:48,705 --> 01:44:52,685
And we had to, and that's really it.

2128
01:44:52,795 --> 01:44:55,645
It's really just a, we have a town here, as we all know,

2129
01:44:55,645 --> 01:44:57,285
we're a pretty busy town.

2130
01:44:57,785 --> 01:45:00,045
If it's at the corner, potentially we had

2131
01:45:00,045 --> 01:45:01,485
to give 'em a where could it be?

2132
01:45:01,485 --> 01:45:03,565
And it was kind of a rushed process

2133
01:45:03,715 --> 01:45:05,205
that the World Cup just ended

2134
01:45:05,545 --> 01:45:07,405
and this application pretty much had

2135
01:45:07,405 --> 01:45:08,645
to be in the week later.

2136
01:45:09,625 --> 01:45:12,285
So that's why, you know, we, we discuss in,

2137
01:45:12,285 --> 01:45:14,005
in the borough here to get this thing in.

2138
01:45:14,745 --> 01:45:17,925
We told them potentially for rah park right here,

2139
01:45:18,055 --> 01:45:19,365
we're a major thoroughfare.

2140
01:45:19,365 --> 01:45:21,725
You got the train, you got this kind kac Northdale Avenue.

2141
01:45:22,915 --> 01:45:24,405
Potentially that's where it could be.

2142
01:45:24,795 --> 01:45:26,605
Okay. But this is not committing us to

2143
01:45:26,605 --> 01:45:28,685
that site for this sculpture. If

2144
01:45:29,155 --> 01:45:30,165
This resolution, I mean,

2145
01:45:30,325 --> 01:45:31,365
I think that they would work with us.

2146
01:45:31,485 --> 01:45:33,045
I mean, they're looking at foster arts

2147
01:45:33,105 --> 01:45:35,605
and if we had another idea, I'm gonna assume

2148
01:45:36,635 --> 01:45:39,005
that they may say, sure, why don't you put it, yeah.

2149
01:45:39,005 --> 01:45:42,365
They want a visible spot that, you know,

2150
01:45:42,385 --> 01:45:43,965
to memorialize the World Cup.

2151
01:45:43,965 --> 01:45:47,245
That, and then, I don't know when the last time was here,

2152
01:45:47,265 --> 01:45:49,325
but that's really it, just to show that art off.

2153
01:45:49,395 --> 01:45:51,605
Good. I'd like to look a little further into it myself.

2154
01:45:51,705 --> 01:45:53,405
Got it. And, and I appreciate the effort.

2155
01:45:53,745 --> 01:45:57,085
Yes, thank you. And your honor, talk offline. Lemme know.

2156
01:45:57,255 --> 01:46:00,005
Thank you. And then finally 26 180 6.

2157
01:46:00,705 --> 01:46:02,205
Are we voting on that tonight? I

2158
01:46:03,025 --> 01:46:04,165
Pulled that, I, I pulled it.

2159
01:46:04,265 --> 01:46:06,445
Oh, okay. We have no backup. Pardon?

2160
01:46:06,445 --> 01:46:08,125
There's nothing to discuss. We have no backup.

2161
01:46:08,125 --> 01:46:09,965
Yeah, that's why I was asking. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

2162
01:46:11,995 --> 01:46:13,285
Good not to vote on nothing.

2163
01:46:15,145 --> 01:46:16,725
Any other questions on the consent agenda?

2164
01:46:18,105 --> 01:46:20,125
If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve.

2165
01:46:20,545 --> 01:46:23,365
So moved. Second Roll call please.

2166
01:46:23,785 --> 01:46:26,005
Mr. Ian. I'm sorry, Mr. Hilly here?

2167
01:46:26,305 --> 01:46:30,285
Yes. Mr. Ian? Yes. Mr. Her? Yes. Mr. Golum? Yes. Ms.

2168
01:46:30,285 --> 01:46:31,845
Herre? Yes. Mr. Banfield?

2169
01:46:32,065 --> 01:46:34,765
Yes. Okay.

2170
01:46:34,765 --> 01:46:39,005
Next on the agenda, am going

2171
01:46:39,005 --> 01:46:41,405
to yield my time to the residents of First Street tonight,

2172
01:46:41,425 --> 01:46:42,525
so we can keep things moving.

2173
01:46:42,785 --> 01:46:46,885
So Council President Kelly, your report.

2174
01:46:47,225 --> 01:46:49,725
Yes, thanks Mayor Administration.

2175
01:46:50,825 --> 01:46:54,685
We began working just recently on the upcoming

2176
01:46:55,285 --> 01:46:58,525
UPS EEU contract, which expires at the end of this year.

2177
01:46:58,625 --> 01:47:00,085
That's, I think a three year turn.

2178
01:47:00,105 --> 01:47:01,205
So we, we look

2179
01:47:01,205 --> 01:47:04,725
to really get into those discussions in the very near future

2180
01:47:04,955 --> 01:47:06,805
with their representatives.

2181
01:47:08,185 --> 01:47:11,325
And also the key focus I think here with everybody,

2182
01:47:11,325 --> 01:47:14,525
whether it's the borough or personally, is trying

2183
01:47:14,525 --> 01:47:17,685
to get ahead of how we plan for the health insurance

2184
01:47:17,745 --> 01:47:20,285
and expected massive increases once

2185
01:47:20,285 --> 01:47:21,405
again that we're gonna see this year.

2186
01:47:21,465 --> 01:47:24,525
So last meeting we engaged with the insurance broker

2187
01:47:24,745 --> 01:47:27,765
to hold our hands to give us some guidance

2188
01:47:27,905 --> 01:47:29,245
to get us through that process.

2189
01:47:31,945 --> 01:47:33,085
So more to come on that,

2190
01:47:33,145 --> 01:47:34,725
but that's also by year end

2191
01:47:35,385 --> 01:47:37,525
Summer Fridays I think gonna borrow website

2192
01:47:37,525 --> 01:47:39,125
that's now coming to, to an end.

2193
01:47:39,205 --> 01:47:41,445
I think that in general that that worked out okay.

2194
01:47:41,495 --> 01:47:45,965
Again, we went from five days a week, eight to four to

2195
01:47:46,665 --> 01:47:48,925
Monday to Thursday, eight to four 30

2196
01:47:49,065 --> 01:47:51,565
and Friday, eight to 1:00 PM for the building.

2197
01:47:51,665 --> 01:47:54,885
And I think in general I haven't, I think it's worked out

2198
01:47:54,885 --> 01:47:56,605
for the residents and, and for the folks

2199
01:47:56,665 --> 01:47:57,685
or for our employees.

2200
01:47:57,745 --> 01:48:00,925
So that's a good thing. But that's last day is next Friday.

2201
01:48:01,645 --> 01:48:04,085
Finance much to do.

2202
01:48:04,085 --> 01:48:06,005
Heading into the last four months of the year,

2203
01:48:06,685 --> 01:48:08,325
we're working on the capital budget.

2204
01:48:08,385 --> 01:48:10,525
We have met with a number of the department heads.

2205
01:48:10,975 --> 01:48:12,405
We're gonna wrap up those meetings

2206
01:48:12,425 --> 01:48:16,565
and should have some additional feedback for the rest

2207
01:48:16,565 --> 01:48:18,045
of the governing body here in the near future.

2208
01:48:18,965 --> 01:48:21,325
We're interviewing a, the,

2209
01:48:21,465 --> 01:48:23,365
or the CFO's entity, be a

2210
01:48:25,505 --> 01:48:29,165
for the finance clerk position, which we need to fill fill.

2211
01:48:29,175 --> 01:48:33,525
We've gotten great reception, I think 30 plus resumes.

2212
01:48:33,525 --> 01:48:34,845
So that's going on right now

2213
01:48:34,865 --> 01:48:38,325
and they're still accepting applications there.

2214
01:48:40,685 --> 01:48:43,325
But along with healthcare, again, the, the challenge is

2215
01:48:43,355 --> 01:48:47,365
that healthcare expenses, the overtime

2216
01:48:47,465 --> 01:48:50,445
and the other related expenses that have come from

2217
01:48:51,155 --> 01:48:52,925
primarily the July 4th storm.

2218
01:48:52,985 --> 01:48:56,045
But the other storms that we had, obviously,

2219
01:48:57,825 --> 01:49:00,685
you know, it's a challenge that we're gonna have to work out

2220
01:49:00,705 --> 01:49:02,285
and, and have a plan for and,

2221
01:49:02,285 --> 01:49:05,485
and to pay for all of those unexpected expenses.

2222
01:49:06,585 --> 01:49:09,005
And on the other side of the positive side of the equation,

2223
01:49:09,095 --> 01:49:10,325
we're kind of at the goal line.

2224
01:49:10,325 --> 01:49:14,885
We did last meeting approve Provident

2225
01:49:14,885 --> 01:49:17,325
as another bank that we could do business with.

2226
01:49:17,425 --> 01:49:21,925
So it's really just to really negotiate and it's working out

2227
01:49:21,925 --> 01:49:24,845
and we're at the goal line of maximizing on what

2228
01:49:25,425 --> 01:49:26,765
we get paid on our cash.

2229
01:49:26,865 --> 01:49:28,325
And those are real dollars here.

2230
01:49:28,325 --> 01:49:32,165
That interest rates on this side of the equation for us are,

2231
01:49:32,445 --> 01:49:34,365
as we know still on the higher side.

2232
01:49:34,625 --> 01:49:38,205
So those multiples really matter when we have millions

2233
01:49:38,205 --> 01:49:40,125
of dollars in these banks here

2234
01:49:40,145 --> 01:49:41,645
and it's a very competitive business.

2235
01:49:41,705 --> 01:49:44,965
So that's happening now as we speak.

2236
01:49:45,705 --> 01:49:48,005
And again, that's good on the positive side to a,

2237
01:49:48,085 --> 01:49:49,845
a large dollar amount, which is great.

2238
01:49:49,845 --> 01:49:51,285
Hopefully offset some of those costs.

2239
01:49:51,515 --> 01:49:53,685
Environmental beautification, we have

2240
01:49:54,965 --> 01:49:57,725
a river cleanup at the Hackensack Riverkeeper on nine 12

2241
01:49:58,535 --> 01:49:59,605
right here in Orell.

2242
01:49:59,605 --> 01:50:02,365
That's really a neat day to get on the river.

2243
01:50:02,545 --> 01:50:03,845
If anybody wants to help out

2244
01:50:03,865 --> 01:50:06,165
and clean up, they provide the canoes

2245
01:50:06,165 --> 01:50:09,565
and they provide the a lunch in the morning

2246
01:50:11,085 --> 01:50:12,125
and you can get in the boat

2247
01:50:12,145 --> 01:50:14,245
and clear out some of the stuff that's in that,

2248
01:50:14,395 --> 01:50:15,485
that river that day.

2249
01:50:15,625 --> 01:50:18,445
So there'll be more to come on that, but that's the 12th.

2250
01:50:20,295 --> 01:50:22,445
We'll also gonna be shortly rolling out

2251
01:50:22,995 --> 01:50:26,565
from a grants from Sustainable New Jersey, a series

2252
01:50:26,565 --> 01:50:28,165
of videos on recycling

2253
01:50:28,165 --> 01:50:32,525
and smart recycling practices that should go to OPDV

2254
01:50:32,525 --> 01:50:34,525
and I believe also orell YouTube.

2255
01:50:35,945 --> 01:50:38,365
And there's also been some renewed energy to

2256
01:50:41,595 --> 01:50:44,685
restart, I guess a community garden in town.

2257
01:50:44,785 --> 01:50:46,445
And it's, it's a difficult process

2258
01:50:46,745 --> 01:50:50,045
but we have a, a number of folks that like to do that.

2259
01:50:50,045 --> 01:50:52,165
We also have, again, friendship House who's helping

2260
01:50:52,165 --> 01:50:53,365
us out with the plastic bags.

2261
01:50:53,475 --> 01:50:57,325
They have some energy that they have committed to to help us

2262
01:50:57,545 --> 01:51:01,165
and we're at the point of just looking to locate

2263
01:51:02,585 --> 01:51:03,725
the right spot for that.

2264
01:51:03,905 --> 01:51:06,165
So more to come on that when that happens.

2265
01:51:06,305 --> 01:51:09,685
And obviously all, all help is, is welcome there.

2266
01:51:10,835 --> 01:51:13,325
Seniors were scheduled to meet next Monday

2267
01:51:13,375 --> 01:51:14,845
after kind of a summer break.

2268
01:51:14,845 --> 01:51:17,925
Still a full robust calendar thanks to our, our staff here

2269
01:51:18,025 --> 01:51:21,725
and including Archery, which was a couple of weeks ago,

2270
01:51:21,725 --> 01:51:25,845
which I missed, but I heard that one pretty well.

2271
01:51:26,925 --> 01:51:29,885
Bergen County Senior Festival 9 24 at advance on,

2272
01:51:31,385 --> 01:51:33,325
and again to thank our seniors,

2273
01:51:33,445 --> 01:51:36,685
I mentioned I know oftentimes the benches, plastic bags,

2274
01:51:36,685 --> 01:51:40,645
they've really have been the ballast of that program

2275
01:51:40,755 --> 01:51:42,205
that it's in the senior center

2276
01:51:42,265 --> 01:51:44,365
and we have a couple of really dedicated seniors

2277
01:51:44,365 --> 01:51:45,725
that keep that thing going.

2278
01:51:45,825 --> 01:51:48,005
So it's a great community event of the seniors,

2279
01:51:48,005 --> 01:51:49,005
the environmental community

2280
01:51:49,005 --> 01:51:51,605
and friendship house that working together

2281
01:51:51,745 --> 01:51:53,285
to clean up our area

2282
01:51:53,505 --> 01:51:56,005
and to, you know, to get those benches

2283
01:51:56,005 --> 01:51:57,685
that are are, that are in use here.

2284
01:51:57,825 --> 01:52:00,085
And I think that's it.

2285
01:52:00,085 --> 01:52:02,085
The arts, we're happy to get yeah, to apply for that grant.

2286
01:52:02,085 --> 01:52:03,365
There's also talk of having a,

2287
01:52:03,445 --> 01:52:05,445
a dance festival in the, in the near future.

2288
01:52:05,665 --> 01:52:07,925
So more to come on that. And that's all I have there.

2289
01:52:08,135 --> 01:52:10,645
Thank you. DPW and engineering Councilman Ashton.

2290
01:52:11,075 --> 01:52:14,445
Sure. So I'm gonna start with engineering

2291
01:52:14,705 --> 01:52:16,565
and unfortunately the room emptied,

2292
01:52:17,305 --> 01:52:21,485
but I just wanna comment about this study in 1999.

2293
01:52:22,105 --> 01:52:26,285
The actual recommendation of that study was to barricade

2294
01:52:27,015 --> 01:52:29,045
first street at Grant Ave

2295
01:52:29,265 --> 01:52:31,765
and not allow any cars to turn on Grant Ave.

2296
01:52:32,355 --> 01:52:34,805
Just so you know that that was the history.

2297
01:52:34,905 --> 01:52:37,525
And I heard the word compromise a lot tonight.

2298
01:52:38,025 --> 01:52:40,965
The compromise was to put the sign for the no right turn.

2299
01:52:41,715 --> 01:52:44,245
Okay. And I know that because my in-laws lived on the

2300
01:52:44,245 --> 01:52:45,405
block during that time.

2301
01:52:46,265 --> 01:52:48,285
So just speak now, but I know I can't.

2302
01:52:48,835 --> 01:52:52,405
Alright, just to comment, so DPW met today,

2303
01:52:53,225 --> 01:52:55,445
we talked a little bit about trees

2304
01:52:56,425 --> 01:52:58,525
and hiring outside services.

2305
01:52:59,755 --> 01:53:04,445
Just an announcement for residents that any debris

2306
01:53:04,475 --> 01:53:06,525
that remains from the storm is now the

2307
01:53:06,525 --> 01:53:08,165
responsibility of the residents.

2308
01:53:08,225 --> 01:53:09,765
The town did their sweeps

2309
01:53:10,345 --> 01:53:13,005
and if the branches weren't out at, you know,

2310
01:53:13,005 --> 01:53:14,125
when they were doing the sweeps,

2311
01:53:14,125 --> 01:53:16,285
it's now the responsibility of their residents.

2312
01:53:16,725 --> 01:53:20,005
I will make one exception for that is the bottom

2313
01:53:20,105 --> 01:53:22,845
of Soldier Hill Road was never cleaned up

2314
01:53:22,845 --> 01:53:24,845
and it's gonna be closed on Thursday,

2315
01:53:25,545 --> 01:53:28,045
so just plan your traffic accordingly.

2316
01:53:28,845 --> 01:53:32,965
There was also discussion about the hiring of the laborers

2317
01:53:32,965 --> 01:53:34,085
that were short there

2318
01:53:34,305 --> 01:53:36,845
and starting the process of looking

2319
01:53:36,945 --> 01:53:40,525
for an assistant supervisor. And that's all I have.

2320
01:53:41,315 --> 01:53:46,085
Just one question on the debris, if it's cut up compliant

2321
01:53:46,085 --> 01:53:47,365
with the vegetation pickup,

2322
01:53:47,385 --> 01:53:48,805
It can go out with regular vegetation.

2323
01:53:48,805 --> 01:53:50,165
Yeah, they'll pick it up on Sunday. That is correct.

2324
01:53:50,355 --> 01:53:54,765
Okay. Thank you. Fire audit

2325
01:53:54,765 --> 01:53:56,485
compliance ordinance. Councilman

2326
01:53:56,875 --> 01:53:57,875
Kern?

2327
01:53:57,875 --> 01:53:58,525
Yeah Mayor, I'll make this a quick.

2328
01:53:59,065 --> 01:54:00,965
So fire department update

2329
01:54:01,145 --> 01:54:05,285
or the Orell fire Department has responded to 287 calls

2330
01:54:05,385 --> 01:54:07,565
so far in 2026.

2331
01:54:08,815 --> 01:54:11,045
There has been an emergency communications issue

2332
01:54:11,045 --> 01:54:12,365
that the fire chief raised.

2333
01:54:12,665 --> 01:54:15,245
The fire chief has reported an ongoing issue

2334
01:54:15,245 --> 01:54:18,365
with residents leaving voicemails on the department's office

2335
01:54:18,375 --> 01:54:21,245
phone to report active emergencies such

2336
01:54:21,245 --> 01:54:22,965
as fire alarm activations,

2337
01:54:25,205 --> 01:54:27,645
carbon monoxide alarms, and natural gas odors.

2338
01:54:29,065 --> 01:54:31,765
The department would like to mention

2339
01:54:31,995 --> 01:54:35,845
that the office is not staffed 24 7 while the,

2340
01:54:36,705 --> 01:54:38,925
the voicemail greeting has an updated

2341
01:54:39,465 --> 01:54:42,765
has been updated explicitly to direct, direct callers

2342
01:54:42,785 --> 01:54:44,325
to hang up and dial 9 1 1.

2343
01:54:45,555 --> 01:54:47,765
Emergency voicemails are still being left.

2344
01:54:49,105 --> 01:54:53,165
We ask that all residents

2345
01:54:53,875 --> 01:54:57,605
that have an emergency must report directly to nine to 9 1 1

2346
01:54:57,625 --> 01:55:00,805
to ensure a proper and immediate fire department response.

2347
01:55:02,345 --> 01:55:05,805
As far as ordinance committee, we have an update

2348
01:55:06,595 --> 01:55:09,165
with regards to the work zone ordinance in the works.

2349
01:55:10,165 --> 01:55:11,725
The ordinance committee met

2350
01:55:12,125 --> 01:55:14,965
with the police chief on Thursday the 20th to review

2351
01:55:15,645 --> 01:55:19,485
a proposed amended amendment

2352
01:55:19,745 --> 01:55:23,005
to chapter 200, 280 vehicles in traffic.

2353
01:55:24,985 --> 01:55:29,765
The purpose of the ordinance draft creates Article nine

2354
01:55:29,905 --> 01:55:33,765
to establish centralized municipal municipal authority

2355
01:55:34,435 --> 01:55:38,005
over work zones, road openings, road closures,

2356
01:55:38,065 --> 01:55:40,285
and ensuring uniform traffic control

2357
01:55:40,865 --> 01:55:42,605
and protecting public safety.

2358
01:55:43,745 --> 01:55:46,805
The ordinance ensures as drafted that,

2359
01:55:48,195 --> 01:55:51,005
that all municipal traffic control operations strictly

2360
01:55:51,145 --> 01:55:53,965
comply with Title 39 39,

2361
01:55:55,625 --> 01:55:58,125
the New Jersey Department of Transportation

2362
01:55:58,625 --> 01:56:02,045
and the Manual Uniform Traffic Control devices.

2363
01:56:04,115 --> 01:56:07,325
Just to give you a little more background, no contractor

2364
01:56:07,465 --> 01:56:10,165
or utility or entity will be permitted to obstruct

2365
01:56:10,885 --> 01:56:14,085
municipal roadways and the establishment of a work zone

2366
01:56:14,085 --> 01:56:17,765
or implementation without prior

2367
01:56:18,645 --> 01:56:20,925
approval from the borough of police department.

2368
01:56:22,825 --> 01:56:26,725
And the police chief will have authority to determine if a

2369
01:56:27,465 --> 01:56:30,845
police, if a, if, if

2370
01:56:31,475 --> 01:56:35,125
road detail is required and how many officers are needed.

2371
01:56:35,565 --> 01:56:37,045
So this is something that's in the works

2372
01:56:37,225 --> 01:56:38,885
and should be coming out

2373
01:56:39,605 --> 01:56:44,365
hopefully within the next month. That's all I have.

2374
01:56:44,695 --> 01:56:47,005
Thank you John. Public Safety

2375
01:56:47,855 --> 01:56:50,325
technology wreck, special events. Councilman Gall.

2376
01:56:50,595 --> 01:56:51,765
Yeah, just a couple key points

2377
01:56:51,865 --> 01:56:53,965
to highlight on given the interest of time.

2378
01:56:54,705 --> 01:56:57,845
So this past week the Borough Police Department

2379
01:56:58,955 --> 01:57:02,645
traffic sergeant in detail conducted first

2380
01:57:02,905 --> 01:57:07,005
of pedestrian safety walks in terms of simulations

2381
01:57:07,005 --> 01:57:09,525
of people going through, I'm happy to report

2382
01:57:10,195 --> 01:57:14,045
they wrote 60 summonses in three key areas of town.

2383
01:57:14,785 --> 01:57:19,125
So we're not, I'm not gonna go into detail of when

2384
01:57:19,225 --> 01:57:20,725
and when it's gonna happen again,

2385
01:57:20,825 --> 01:57:23,165
but we just know that it's been very effective

2386
01:57:23,165 --> 01:57:25,565
and I commend the chief and the traffic sergeant

2387
01:57:25,745 --> 01:57:27,165
for putting the time in for that

2388
01:57:27,305 --> 01:57:29,245
and just know that that will continue

2389
01:57:30,005 --> 01:57:31,645
through over the next couple months.

2390
01:57:32,545 --> 01:57:37,085
In terms of, lemme just see here,

2391
01:57:38,555 --> 01:57:40,965
Just kind of switching over to special events.

2392
01:57:41,105 --> 01:57:42,925
We just finished up the concert series.

2393
01:57:43,065 --> 01:57:45,405
We have our nine 11 ceremony on Friday,

2394
01:57:46,645 --> 01:57:50,125
September 11th at the firehouse 6:00 PM All are welcome

2395
01:57:50,185 --> 01:57:51,845
for the 25th anniversary of

2396
01:57:54,145 --> 01:57:55,485
the memorial.

2397
01:57:56,085 --> 01:57:57,365
The memorial and the tragedy.

2398
01:57:59,105 --> 01:58:02,525
In terms of playgrounds, we are fully aware

2399
01:58:02,585 --> 01:58:06,365
and addressing the maintenance, specifically

2400
01:58:07,025 --> 01:58:08,965
the mulch and I'm happy to report

2401
01:58:08,965 --> 01:58:11,685
that there will be a phased effort

2402
01:58:11,865 --> 01:58:15,805
to get the high priority areas of Memorial and Deepak.

2403
01:58:16,625 --> 01:58:18,285
In terms of the slide, good news,

2404
01:58:18,345 --> 01:58:20,405
bad news we are aware of it is the good news.

2405
01:58:20,585 --> 01:58:23,205
We have it on order, it's going to take four to six weeks.

2406
01:58:24,065 --> 01:58:26,725
So we'd just be advised that that's something

2407
01:58:26,725 --> 01:58:31,685
that we will be trying to put a temporary prevention device,

2408
01:58:31,705 --> 01:58:33,405
if you will, over the slide.

2409
01:58:33,465 --> 01:58:35,725
But obviously people are anxious to

2410
01:58:36,145 --> 01:58:37,605
to fiddle with those types of things.

2411
01:58:38,945 --> 01:58:42,165
Lastly, I just wanted two other, mention two other dates

2412
01:58:42,265 --> 01:58:43,285
or really one other date,

2413
01:58:43,285 --> 01:58:46,485
which is Saturday October 10th in the morning.

2414
01:58:46,665 --> 01:58:49,085
The Okay Kids Foundation will be hand handling

2415
01:58:49,105 --> 01:58:51,645
or hosting their 5K race

2416
01:58:52,145 --> 01:58:56,005
and fun run registrations open@orellkids.org

2417
01:58:56,505 --> 01:58:59,605
and later on that afternoon we will be hosting

2418
01:59:00,145 --> 01:59:02,725
the annual Fall Fest at Memorial Field.

2419
01:59:02,825 --> 01:59:04,965
All are welcome. And that's my report.

2420
01:59:06,175 --> 01:59:08,765
Thank you. Just one other thing you wanna make mention

2421
01:59:08,855 --> 01:59:12,485
about the precautionary measures people should be taking

2422
01:59:12,485 --> 01:59:15,245
with their cars and fobs and locking doors. Yes.

2423
01:59:15,465 --> 01:59:18,925
So as many of you have probably received, if you register

2424
01:59:18,985 --> 01:59:22,965
for Orell alerts over the past two weeks,

2425
01:59:23,895 --> 01:59:28,845
there have been maybe more than on one hand incidences

2426
01:59:29,255 --> 01:59:33,885
where either cars have re been, residents have been victims

2427
01:59:34,305 --> 01:59:37,045
of theft with their cars and or cars have been stolen

2428
01:59:37,395 --> 01:59:39,565
because they've left key fobs in the cars.

2429
01:59:39,985 --> 01:59:44,485
So just a public service announcement to take your key fob

2430
01:59:44,585 --> 01:59:46,365
inside and lock your car.

2431
01:59:47,105 --> 01:59:50,285
Yes. Make their job a little harder. Yes. Thank you.

2432
01:59:50,285 --> 01:59:52,405
Historical library economic development,

2433
01:59:52,405 --> 01:59:53,445
Councilwoman Harris,

2434
01:59:53,805 --> 01:59:56,485
Absolutely the historical committee was on hiatus

2435
01:59:57,625 --> 01:59:58,805
in this last month.

2436
01:59:58,985 --> 02:00:01,445
But Sam Tripps, Jill Bari,

2437
02:00:04,265 --> 02:00:07,045
Lou Esler and Nick Bein and I

2438
02:00:07,225 --> 02:00:08,845
and Pat Schubert all are continuing

2439
02:00:08,845 --> 02:00:11,885
to work on the historical pictorial book of Orell

2440
02:00:11,905 --> 02:00:14,085
and there will be more of that as we go forward.

2441
02:00:14,805 --> 02:00:16,765
The library also took a hiatus,

2442
02:00:16,765 --> 02:00:18,285
but they have a wonderful website

2443
02:00:18,305 --> 02:00:19,965
and there's a lot of activities coming up.

2444
02:00:20,025 --> 02:00:22,165
So I encourage you to look at their website

2445
02:00:22,225 --> 02:00:24,205
and join in the activities

2446
02:00:24,205 --> 02:00:25,925
for all ages of the public library.

2447
02:00:26,465 --> 02:00:30,245
I'm working to set up an economic development conference in

2448
02:00:30,245 --> 02:00:33,605
the fall and you'll hear from more information about that.

2449
02:00:33,765 --> 02:00:36,245
I would like all our businessmen, men and business owners

2450
02:00:36,385 --> 02:00:38,845
and people who want to and businesswomen

2451
02:00:38,845 --> 02:00:41,165
and people who wanna do business in oral to

2452
02:00:41,845 --> 02:00:42,925
consider being a part of that.

2453
02:00:43,505 --> 02:00:45,965
And I will give you more information when it's

2454
02:00:45,965 --> 02:00:47,765
ready. That's all.

2455
02:00:48,215 --> 02:00:50,725
Thank you. Councilwoman Hare, board of Health,

2456
02:00:50,915 --> 02:00:52,005
municipal Drug Alliance

2457
02:00:52,005 --> 02:00:53,965
and Boards of Education. Councilman Banfield.

2458
02:00:54,295 --> 02:00:58,645
Thank you. First of all, I've asked for each member

2459
02:00:58,645 --> 02:01:01,205
of the council to have a copy of the proposed

2460
02:01:01,965 --> 02:01:05,485
Public Health Shared Services agreement between our borough

2461
02:01:05,625 --> 02:01:06,925
and Bergen County.

2462
02:01:07,595 --> 02:01:11,525
This, it's a longer document so I wanted you to have plenty

2463
02:01:11,525 --> 02:01:13,405
of time to take a look at it.

2464
02:01:13,555 --> 02:01:16,405
It's very similar to the one that the three year agreement,

2465
02:01:16,455 --> 02:01:19,605
which expires in December of this year.

2466
02:01:19,985 --> 02:01:23,525
So we'll need to make a decision about re-upping.

2467
02:01:25,145 --> 02:01:29,165
Our current plan was roughly 17,000.

2468
02:01:29,275 --> 02:01:32,205
This new one is coming in at 19,000.

2469
02:01:32,625 --> 02:01:36,405
So there's a small increase, a remarkable array of services

2470
02:01:36,405 --> 02:01:38,805
that are provided for that money

2471
02:01:38,945 --> 02:01:40,605
and I, I think we'll want to go with it.

2472
02:01:40,925 --> 02:01:42,885
There will be an alternative

2473
02:01:43,715 --> 02:01:46,045
possibility presented.

2474
02:01:47,265 --> 02:01:50,725
So we'll discuss that and we have a little time to do that.

2475
02:01:52,225 --> 02:01:56,725
On August 19th, the Orell Public School Board met,

2476
02:01:57,645 --> 02:01:59,805
I learned that, that we are the biggest

2477
02:01:59,815 --> 02:02:01,365
elementary school in New Jersey.

2478
02:02:01,925 --> 02:02:04,885
I hadn't known that they voted to

2479
02:02:05,555 --> 02:02:08,525
approve an updated ed evacuation plan,

2480
02:02:10,005 --> 02:02:11,805
educators professional development plan

2481
02:02:12,145 --> 02:02:13,285
and a code of conduct,

2482
02:02:13,375 --> 02:02:17,085
which will include no internet enabled devices

2483
02:02:17,395 --> 02:02:18,685
from bell to bell.

2484
02:02:19,195 --> 02:02:21,365
There's some minor details I think they still

2485
02:02:21,365 --> 02:02:22,445
have to work out on that.

2486
02:02:22,875 --> 02:02:24,925
They also congratulated

2487
02:02:25,425 --> 02:02:29,325
and voted to hire Laura Calandra

2488
02:02:29,785 --> 02:02:34,285
as assistant principal out of 120 initial candidates.

2489
02:02:35,625 --> 02:02:37,885
The kindergarten playground has been refreshed,

2490
02:02:38,355 --> 02:02:39,445
it's almost complete

2491
02:02:40,025 --> 02:02:43,205
and a replacement of a rooftop HVAC unit as well.

2492
02:02:44,125 --> 02:02:47,325
The fence damaged at the play field

2493
02:02:47,875 --> 02:02:52,405
from July 4th storm will be repaired and a tree removed.

2494
02:02:53,105 --> 02:02:54,165
And that's my report.

2495
02:02:54,615 --> 02:02:55,605
Thank you Councilman

2496
02:02:56,585 --> 02:02:58,125
Joanne, anything from the borough attorney?

2497
02:02:58,725 --> 02:03:02,685
I have nothing to add. Okay, thank you Mr. Atkinson.

2498
02:03:03,675 --> 02:03:05,365
Sure, Thank you.

2499
02:03:05,365 --> 02:03:06,845
I'll try to keep it brief given the hour.

2500
02:03:07,745 --> 02:03:10,565
So as you guys had indicated the repairs

2501
02:03:10,565 --> 02:03:12,485
to the concrete sidewalker underway,

2502
02:03:13,245 --> 02:03:15,285
I would anticipate Prospect AB being done

2503
02:03:15,285 --> 02:03:16,605
either tomorrow or the next day.

2504
02:03:17,435 --> 02:03:20,085
Once they're done with Prospect, they will be heading over

2505
02:03:20,085 --> 02:03:22,045
to Grant Avenue to take care

2506
02:03:22,045 --> 02:03:23,445
of the sidewalk in that location.

2507
02:03:24,725 --> 02:03:25,925
Original timeframe was about a week

2508
02:03:25,925 --> 02:03:27,525
and a half's worth of time

2509
02:03:27,525 --> 02:03:29,245
to do the concrete work over there.

2510
02:03:29,505 --> 02:03:34,325
So again, they're, they'll be there later this week

2511
02:03:34,325 --> 02:03:36,805
to get things started on grant A as well to get

2512
02:03:36,805 --> 02:03:37,885
that addressed.

2513
02:03:39,285 --> 02:03:40,285
Additionally, last time we met,

2514
02:03:41,005 --> 02:03:43,765
we discussed the bank stabilization over

2515
02:03:43,765 --> 02:03:44,965
on East Orchard Street.

2516
02:03:45,705 --> 02:03:49,765
We did provide you guys with four different options

2517
02:03:49,765 --> 02:03:52,765
that we looked into based on the DEP regulations of

2518
02:03:52,765 --> 02:03:56,685
what we feel would be allowed based on the regulations,

2519
02:03:57,565 --> 02:04:00,325
spelled out different options and the costs related to them.

2520
02:04:00,325 --> 02:04:04,605
Basically varying anywhere from about 150 up to 250,000,

2521
02:04:05,485 --> 02:04:07,645
which includes all your permitting costs

2522
02:04:08,345 --> 02:04:11,645
and soft costs related to the, to that particular work.

2523
02:04:12,825 --> 02:04:15,365
Our office is in the process of establishing

2524
02:04:16,225 --> 02:04:17,405
the boundary work over there

2525
02:04:17,645 --> 02:04:19,605
'cause the bureau owns the parcel

2526
02:04:19,615 --> 02:04:20,965
where the Brook runs through there.

2527
02:04:22,015 --> 02:04:23,885
We're in the process of getting all the deeds

2528
02:04:23,885 --> 02:04:27,805
and title search and then our survey crews will be going out

2529
02:04:27,805 --> 02:04:30,485
there within the next several days.

2530
02:04:30,535 --> 02:04:34,205
We'll get information over to Ed's office so in case people

2531
02:04:34,875 --> 02:04:37,045
call, 'cause there will be surveyor, guys marked

2532
02:04:37,155 --> 02:04:40,205
with bright yellow vest that say Nely on the back, walking

2533
02:04:40,205 --> 02:04:43,325
through the properties, picking up the bank information,

2534
02:04:43,325 --> 02:04:46,405
meaning the stream bank as well as trees

2535
02:04:46,465 --> 02:04:48,645
and that type of information which will be needed

2536
02:04:49,945 --> 02:04:52,445
for the permit process with the DEP. So

2537
02:04:52,795 --> 02:04:54,205
Dave, question regarding that.

2538
02:04:54,365 --> 02:04:57,605
I saw the four proposals, would you be able

2539
02:04:57,605 --> 02:05:00,325
to provide some verbiage behind each one?

2540
02:05:01,265 --> 02:05:02,685
It was basically just proposal

2541
02:05:02,985 --> 02:05:05,605
and there was no description of Yeah, so I have

2542
02:05:05,675 --> 02:05:06,725
what each project was.

2543
02:05:06,835 --> 02:05:07,925
What I can do is I have,

2544
02:05:08,105 --> 02:05:09,285
and I can hand them out to you guys

2545
02:05:09,425 --> 02:05:11,365
and I don't need the answers at current moment,

2546
02:05:11,425 --> 02:05:14,245
but there's some pictures that go along with it,

2547
02:05:14,245 --> 02:05:15,245
which I think the pictures

2548
02:05:15,245 --> 02:05:17,325
and illustrations would help you out significantly.

2549
02:05:17,625 --> 02:05:20,405
So basically the three op, the four options

2550
02:05:20,405 --> 02:05:23,445
that we have there was the bioengineering,

2551
02:05:23,445 --> 02:05:25,685
which basically involves plantings

2552
02:05:25,685 --> 02:05:26,965
and different things of that nature.

2553
02:05:28,175 --> 02:05:30,125
Again, I'll hand these out so you guys have them.

2554
02:05:31,675 --> 02:05:34,085
That was the first option that it's kind

2555
02:05:34,085 --> 02:05:36,325
of on par price wise with doing rip wrap,

2556
02:05:36,325 --> 02:05:38,565
which is basically just putting stone in the area

2557
02:05:39,345 --> 02:05:41,325
and establishing those banks back to it.

2558
02:05:41,345 --> 02:05:43,765
And that'll help preserve things over time.

2559
02:05:44,305 --> 02:05:46,605
But the bioengineering, the idea is that the plant life

2560
02:05:46,605 --> 02:05:49,725
and the stuff that's put there will help, you know,

2561
02:05:49,835 --> 02:05:52,645
contain all the vegetation and make it more green.

2562
02:05:53,115 --> 02:05:54,245
Biggest issue with

2563
02:05:54,355 --> 02:05:56,845
that is given the existing conditions over there

2564
02:05:56,845 --> 02:05:59,205
and the steep slopes to your bank, which are almost

2565
02:05:59,725 --> 02:06:02,685
vertical, the bioengineering process

2566
02:06:03,585 --> 02:06:04,645
is a little more difficult.

2567
02:06:04,745 --> 02:06:07,325
So that's why we have the, the rip wrap,

2568
02:06:07,535 --> 02:06:08,725
which was option two.

2569
02:06:09,425 --> 02:06:11,965
Option three was going with gian baskets.

2570
02:06:11,965 --> 02:06:14,525
It's similar to the rip wrap minus, you can go

2571
02:06:14,525 --> 02:06:15,925
with a little bit smaller of a stone.

2572
02:06:15,985 --> 02:06:17,845
It goes into these wire baskets

2573
02:06:18,035 --> 02:06:19,885
that basically get interconnected

2574
02:06:21,265 --> 02:06:22,845
and that locks everything in place.

2575
02:06:23,345 --> 02:06:26,405
It allows you to go a little more vertical, which kind

2576
02:06:26,405 --> 02:06:28,605
of replicates what you have there today.

2577
02:06:29,185 --> 02:06:31,125
And then the last option would be going more

2578
02:06:31,635 --> 02:06:34,325
with your traditional like modular block wall.

2579
02:06:35,265 --> 02:06:38,245
So a series of block walls that go, you know, similar

2580
02:06:38,245 --> 02:06:39,925
that you would see in people's backyards.

2581
02:06:40,875 --> 02:06:42,245
Each one has pros and cons.

2582
02:06:43,045 --> 02:06:46,365
Ultimately the walls, the way the DEP regs are written,

2583
02:06:46,585 --> 02:06:49,125
we have to bury everything three foot below

2584
02:06:49,755 --> 02:06:52,125
current stream bank.

2585
02:06:52,385 --> 02:06:53,385
So,

2586
02:06:53,945 --> 02:06:58,645
So Dave, with that, it'd be interesting to see if you have

2587
02:06:59,275 --> 02:07:01,565
what on that creek, throughout the borough,

2588
02:07:01,565 --> 02:07:03,925
what the borough owns and is responsible for.

2589
02:07:04,105 --> 02:07:06,405
So is this a bandaid on one little,

2590
02:07:07,275 --> 02:07:10,085
it's a 20 feet section or something. Are we, well,

2591
02:07:10,085 --> 02:07:11,085
It's a little bit longer Than 20 feet

2592
02:07:11,085 --> 02:07:11,925
or whatever, whatever it is.

2593
02:07:11,925 --> 02:07:14,685
But are we, do we have to worry about, even if

2594
02:07:14,685 --> 02:07:16,885
behind memorial we own the creek, right?

2595
02:07:17,025 --> 02:07:20,765
So is that nature that the, the whatever, it gets bigger

2596
02:07:20,785 --> 02:07:23,445
and wider and some, some land falls off.

2597
02:07:23,505 --> 02:07:25,725
And where, what are responsible is this,

2598
02:07:25,955 --> 02:07:27,605
obviously it's really expensive

2599
02:07:28,745 --> 02:07:31,725
and some parts of the creek homeowners own, right?

2600
02:07:31,755 --> 02:07:33,645
It's their responsibility. Some is ours.

2601
02:07:33,745 --> 02:07:37,885
So is there another section, you know,

2602
02:07:38,045 --> 02:07:40,285
a quarter mile away that we're on the edge

2603
02:07:40,285 --> 02:07:43,285
and what, is it just the un luckiness

2604
02:07:43,285 --> 02:07:44,525
that this happened there?

2605
02:07:44,705 --> 02:07:47,245
Or is there a way to get ahead of that, et cetera?

2606
02:07:47,595 --> 02:07:51,925
Sure. I mean, I mean ultimately this section here

2607
02:07:52,435 --> 02:07:55,845
from Essex Street down to the Paramus border

2608
02:07:56,665 --> 02:07:58,685
for whatever reason being when the,

2609
02:07:58,755 --> 02:08:01,925
when the parcels were created, it's a town owned parcel

2610
02:08:02,585 --> 02:08:04,645
and it's strictly just for the brook.

2611
02:08:05,425 --> 02:08:07,205
So is it, is it the waterway

2612
02:08:07,205 --> 02:08:09,365
or is it three feet on each side or?

2613
02:08:10,285 --> 02:08:13,565
It varies in width. It's anywhere from 40 to like,

2614
02:08:14,835 --> 02:08:16,565
it's roughly about 40 feet in width

2615
02:08:16,625 --> 02:08:17,925
and then that whole span,

2616
02:08:18,225 --> 02:08:19,765
So to closes the water and,

2617
02:08:19,985 --> 02:08:21,125
And there's land behind it too

2618
02:08:21,265 --> 02:08:22,265
Inside.

2619
02:08:22,265 --> 02:08:23,765
So, yeah. So along that creek path,

2620
02:08:23,955 --> 02:08:26,685
some places we do own, some we don't. Some we And it's just

2621
02:08:27,505 --> 02:08:28,505
Per Correct.

2622
02:08:28,505 --> 02:08:30,085
Correct. I mean generally that stream

2623
02:08:30,085 --> 02:08:34,845
through there is about, say about 10 feet in width roughly.

2624
02:08:34,985 --> 02:08:37,685
And then it goes up and then you have the land behind it.

2625
02:08:37,865 --> 02:08:40,405
So there is some, you know,

2626
02:08:40,405 --> 02:08:41,965
a significant amount of land that is

2627
02:08:42,065 --> 02:08:43,065
Behind it.

2628
02:08:43,065 --> 02:08:45,725
And do we have to act, if in the woods that, you know,

2629
02:08:45,725 --> 02:08:48,685
it's in the woods and a little piece caves in, do we have

2630
02:08:48,685 --> 02:08:50,965
to go fix it or do we That's nature.

2631
02:08:51,345 --> 02:08:53,765
No, I mean the way the DP kind of looks at the Brooks

2632
02:08:53,765 --> 02:08:56,125
and the waterways is the brook and the waterway.

2633
02:08:56,195 --> 02:08:59,285
It's naturally gonna go the direction that it wants to go

2634
02:09:00,395 --> 02:09:03,325
when you start to get into matters where you know,

2635
02:09:03,325 --> 02:09:04,365
there's, well

2636
02:09:04,365 --> 02:09:05,445
We have to fix it where

2637
02:09:05,445 --> 02:09:09,125
There's potential issues that could cause, you know, harm

2638
02:09:09,185 --> 02:09:10,205
to people's property

2639
02:09:10,205 --> 02:09:11,805
and those different, different types of things.

2640
02:09:11,875 --> 02:09:12,925
They understand

2641
02:09:12,925 --> 02:09:14,925
and they have the rules written so

2642
02:09:14,925 --> 02:09:16,445
that we can go in and address it.

2643
02:09:16,965 --> 02:09:19,445
I mean if you look north of there, there are people

2644
02:09:19,445 --> 02:09:21,325
that have gone in, they've gotten their permits.

2645
02:09:21,515 --> 02:09:23,845
I've seen 'em over the years of being the borough engineer

2646
02:09:23,845 --> 02:09:26,645
where, you know, they've gone in on their dime to,

2647
02:09:26,825 --> 02:09:29,685
to basically install the modular block walls

2648
02:09:30,665 --> 02:09:33,365
on their property to ensure that the bank is stable

2649
02:09:33,905 --> 02:09:35,245
and follows its course there

2650
02:09:35,245 --> 02:09:36,845
and doesn't continue to erode things away.

2651
02:09:37,425 --> 02:09:39,885
But this piece just happens to fall now

2652
02:09:39,885 --> 02:09:41,405
that we own not the resident.

2653
02:09:41,405 --> 02:09:43,565
So it'd be interesting if it's easy to get

2654
02:09:44,495 --> 02:09:46,605
which ones we own and which ones the

2655
02:09:46,805 --> 02:09:47,805
Residents.

2656
02:09:47,805 --> 02:09:50,965
Yeah. So I mean ultimately as far as who owns what, I mean

2657
02:09:50,965 --> 02:09:52,165
that's something we can,

2658
02:09:52,445 --> 02:09:54,325
I don't just look at relatively easily,

2659
02:09:54,435 --> 02:09:56,725
it's all on the tax maps and we can overlay that.

2660
02:09:57,325 --> 02:09:59,285
I know there are some maps that we put together over the

2661
02:09:59,285 --> 02:10:01,045
years that show the waterways and different things.

2662
02:10:01,065 --> 02:10:03,245
So we can highlight the stuff.

2663
02:10:03,265 --> 02:10:05,365
But primarily where we own the brook,

2664
02:10:06,795 --> 02:10:10,005
it's from Essex Street going south to Paramus.

2665
02:10:10,765 --> 02:10:13,405
Anything north of there is really on municipal property.

2666
02:10:14,105 --> 02:10:15,725
So like Memorial Park, right?

2667
02:10:15,745 --> 02:10:18,245
So we own that portion there as we go

2668
02:10:18,265 --> 02:10:21,125
for further north we have Lotus Woods, which the area

2669
02:10:21,125 --> 02:10:24,525
that's known as Lotus Woods, that's borough on property.

2670
02:10:24,595 --> 02:10:27,645
Besides that, there might be a couple little anomalies I'm

2671
02:10:27,645 --> 02:10:30,085
missing, but those are the, the three key areas

2672
02:10:30,235 --> 02:10:34,085
that the borough owns and is responsible for that. Brook.

2673
02:10:34,265 --> 02:10:38,685
So to your point about we need to act on this obviously is

2674
02:10:38,685 --> 02:10:40,645
that there's homes there we're in Lotus Woods.

2675
02:10:40,755 --> 02:10:43,325
Yeah. That there's some major massive places

2676
02:10:43,335 --> 02:10:45,805
where it's caved in and that's nature. Right.

2677
02:10:46,105 --> 02:10:48,525
But what we do want to do like in those particular areas

2678
02:10:48,665 --> 02:10:51,165
is you want to make sure there's no obstructions

2679
02:10:51,345 --> 02:10:53,165
or blockages or those types of things

2680
02:10:53,265 --> 02:10:54,725
to make sure that the water can flow.

2681
02:10:54,735 --> 02:10:57,045
Those are things from a maintenance

2682
02:10:57,045 --> 02:10:58,405
perspective that can be done.

2683
02:10:59,555 --> 02:11:02,725
Yeah. So just on a follow up on that, I know that we are

2684
02:11:03,275 --> 02:11:07,485
working on upgrading the paths in Lotus Memorial

2685
02:11:07,545 --> 02:11:10,205
and Dak is there a way,

2686
02:11:11,025 --> 02:11:15,845
and I went in there the other day at Lotus the path,

2687
02:11:15,855 --> 02:11:19,085
which is great to be in there to take a walk in nature

2688
02:11:19,265 --> 02:11:20,925
and we don't, you know, we're fighting for nature

2689
02:11:21,465 --> 02:11:25,565
to go on the other side, the west side of the creek

2690
02:11:25,815 --> 02:11:28,005
where there, I don't know how much of property,

2691
02:11:28,005 --> 02:11:29,245
but it looks pretty big.

2692
02:11:29,405 --> 02:11:31,445
I haven't been over there and the creek is small.

2693
02:11:32,105 --> 02:11:36,405
Is there a way, it'd be awesome to have a little way to get

2694
02:11:36,405 --> 02:11:37,605
to the other side of the creek

2695
02:11:37,625 --> 02:11:38,965
and then kind of winds your way

2696
02:11:38,965 --> 02:11:42,325
and now I can have a quarter mile walking path

2697
02:11:43,465 --> 02:11:45,405
if we have one shot of the bite of the apple here

2698
02:11:45,405 --> 02:11:46,645
to, to do that.

2699
02:11:46,945 --> 02:11:49,125
It, it's really looks really nice in there,

2700
02:11:49,225 --> 02:11:52,045
but you have a little creek that I'd have to kind

2701
02:11:52,045 --> 02:11:54,805
of step over a, a foot of water to, to get over to.

2702
02:11:55,135 --> 02:11:56,805
Right. You follow what I'm saying there? Yeah.

2703
02:11:56,865 --> 02:12:00,165
So you follow in that, in that section of Lotus Woods,

2704
02:12:00,575 --> 02:12:02,365
could you put something on that side shore?

2705
02:12:02,365 --> 02:12:03,565
I think you're gonna have to put more

2706
02:12:03,565 --> 02:12:05,445
of a traditional bridge,

2707
02:12:06,155 --> 02:12:08,245
like a pedestrian bridge going over top of it.

2708
02:12:08,315 --> 02:12:10,685
It's not just a, you know, quick step over I,

2709
02:12:10,685 --> 02:12:11,685
I don't know.

2710
02:12:11,685 --> 02:12:12,125
I mean I'm not an engineer

2711
02:12:12,185 --> 02:12:14,045
and we could have a scout project

2712
02:12:14,185 --> 02:12:16,325
to have a nice little walking path through nature.

2713
02:12:16,595 --> 02:12:18,765
Sure. I mean the, the path that's there, the one

2714
02:12:18,765 --> 02:12:21,685
that we're proposing is really just to redo existing,

2715
02:12:22,005 --> 02:12:25,045
existing one that's there to today to go

2716
02:12:25,045 --> 02:12:26,285
and add additional ones.

2717
02:12:26,505 --> 02:12:27,765
It does get to be a little more

2718
02:12:27,765 --> 02:12:29,325
complicated 'cause it's not there today.

2719
02:12:29,775 --> 02:12:31,685
Those areas are all within the wetland.

2720
02:12:31,745 --> 02:12:33,485
So it does complicate it a little bit more.

2721
02:12:33,545 --> 02:12:34,805
Not to say that it can't be done,

2722
02:12:34,905 --> 02:12:37,725
but it does complicate it a little bit more.

2723
02:12:37,785 --> 02:12:39,685
As far as the permitting side of things with it.

2724
02:12:40,835 --> 02:12:42,885
There's process for the pedestrian

2725
02:12:42,885 --> 02:12:44,165
bridge and that type of route

2726
02:12:44,825 --> 02:12:46,205
For, I mean I, that would be the big thing to get.

2727
02:12:46,405 --> 02:12:47,765
I mean and the key with the bridge

2728
02:12:48,585 --> 02:12:50,405
and one of the requirements is to ensure

2729
02:12:50,405 --> 02:12:53,085
that the bridge is installed above the flood hazard area.

2730
02:12:53,115 --> 02:12:54,325
Elevation. I hear you.

2731
02:12:54,325 --> 02:12:57,005
There's a whole, there's a lot of moving

2732
02:12:57,005 --> 02:12:58,005
Pieces.

2733
02:12:58,005 --> 02:13:00,085
Something to think about. I think if we're over there,

2734
02:13:00,525 --> 02:13:02,685
'cause that's a big, it looks like a pretty big piece

2735
02:13:02,685 --> 02:13:05,405
of land that people can enjoy and walk and walk their dogs

2736
02:13:05,405 --> 02:13:08,125
and go for a run that if that's possible.

2737
02:13:08,125 --> 02:13:10,965
Earlier it tonight I went down to look at this property

2738
02:13:10,965 --> 02:13:15,325
that had caved in and I watched a six point deer going down

2739
02:13:15,325 --> 02:13:17,205
and I'm thinking, is that our responsibility

2740
02:13:17,485 --> 02:13:18,725
and what are we doing with the deer?

2741
02:13:19,555 --> 02:13:21,685
They're using it as a pathway to go up

2742
02:13:21,685 --> 02:13:23,605
and down anyway, it was a beautiful animal. Yep,

2743
02:13:23,705 --> 02:13:24,705
Yep.

2744
02:13:24,705 --> 02:13:26,565
So as far as that immediate area, that's something we need

2745
02:13:26,565 --> 02:13:29,925
to address 'cause the bank is not stable.

2746
02:13:30,075 --> 02:13:32,165
Yeah. So that needs to get addressed. I get it. Yeah.

2747
02:13:32,305 --> 02:13:34,485
Are there things along that corridor big picture

2748
02:13:35,315 --> 02:13:37,005
that we'll need to address at some point?

2749
02:13:37,305 --> 02:13:40,045
For sure. But right now I think the focus is

2750
02:13:40,045 --> 02:13:41,965
to get the immediate Yeah.

2751
02:13:42,165 --> 02:13:43,165
Condition addressed

2752
02:13:43,625 --> 02:13:45,925
and then we can look at bigger picture, what needs

2753
02:13:45,925 --> 02:13:47,605
to be done along that whole corridor

2754
02:13:47,825 --> 02:13:49,205
and how to address things.

2755
02:13:50,085 --> 02:13:51,885
There are limitations on what we can

2756
02:13:51,985 --> 02:13:55,045
and can't do as far as different things.

2757
02:13:55,435 --> 02:13:58,685
There's restrictions on so many feet of, you know,

2758
02:13:58,685 --> 02:14:00,245
different types of stabilization.

2759
02:14:00,745 --> 02:14:02,525
Really the DEP wants you to go

2760
02:14:02,525 --> 02:14:05,325
with the more environmentally friendly plantings

2761
02:14:05,325 --> 02:14:09,045
and that type of stuff when you get into the

2762
02:14:09,045 --> 02:14:10,565
hardscaping and that type of stuff.

2763
02:14:11,625 --> 02:14:15,325
Or hard armoring is the term they use. It is restricted,

2764
02:14:15,955 --> 02:14:18,205
Well the bags included biology, right.

2765
02:14:18,305 --> 02:14:20,645
So that things would grow in it and through it.

2766
02:14:21,205 --> 02:14:22,765
I mean ultimately that's, that was one of things

2767
02:14:23,075 --> 02:14:24,075
Like your rip wrap.

2768
02:14:26,025 --> 02:14:27,885
Rip wrap or even the gian baskets,

2769
02:14:27,885 --> 02:14:30,565
you can get the plant life will grow in them.

2770
02:14:30,635 --> 02:14:32,565
It's not like it won't

2771
02:14:33,785 --> 02:14:35,445
No, I thought I read that it was actually included

2772
02:14:35,445 --> 02:14:38,605
that there are some in the bags so that it was planned

2773
02:14:38,635 --> 02:14:40,005
that it was sort of seed itself.

2774
02:14:40,065 --> 02:14:42,365
So what you can do is look with the, the baskets,

2775
02:14:43,195 --> 02:14:44,205
what we've done elsewhere.

2776
02:14:44,205 --> 02:14:46,325
They have what's called a live plant. Yeah.

2777
02:14:46,625 --> 02:14:49,165
All plants are live, but for whatever reason,

2778
02:14:49,165 --> 02:14:51,165
this is the special name it, when you see it,

2779
02:14:51,165 --> 02:14:53,565
it looks like a dead twig but it has roots

2780
02:14:53,565 --> 02:14:55,285
and it gets embedded into Okay.

2781
02:14:55,835 --> 02:14:57,565
Into the baskets and then it starts to grow.

2782
02:14:57,955 --> 02:15:02,565
Okay, thank you. So Thank you. Yeah sir.

2783
02:15:02,565 --> 02:15:05,685
Hein, do you have anything you want to add? No sir. Okay.

2784
02:15:05,915 --> 02:15:08,285
Entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second.

2785
02:15:09,065 --> 02:15:12,485
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? I do. Thank you.