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Call in the regular city council meeting of August 25, 2026 to order. If you have not already done so, please silence

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your cell phones at this time. And I am to announce that we are welcoming those that are in person

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in the chamber and those participating remotely. We'll begin tonight with an invocation led by

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us your Rob Crankton of Orangeville Bible Church.

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We followed by the pledge of allegiance led by Councilmember Gillen-Haver,

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please stand.

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It's proud to have a father and come before you tonight to acknowledge your authority

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and to thank you for the opportunity to bring our prayers before you.

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We're thankful for this great city and all its stands for.

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We thank you for our elected officials and seeing employees at serve this city.

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We thank you for the many groups that work to make this a great place to live.

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And so on behalf of a grateful community, we ask for your blessings on your public servants.

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We thank you for rising up later leaders committed to a greater good.

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And we be reminded that we are to pray and support our representatives.

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And as to the past, we thank you for the foresight, the wisdom of our pioneer leaders who laid the foundation for this community.

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And envisioned this success we now live.

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We thank you for the men and women who have told not only for the progress of our prosperity but also the quality of our character.

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And so for this day we pray for wisdom to mediate between commissioner and petitioner, the challenge as they face her enormous, their work is important and their agenda is full.

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Grant them insight as they steward our precious resources.

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Give them understanding and wise judgment as they must make difficult choices among competing priorities.

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Surely years how to preserve the best of the past.

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You have built a future for the generation to come.

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The same way they stand with all and respect on the shoulders, so those who receive them may all who follow in their footsteps in the same way honor them

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We have no doubt that you have elevated these men and women to leadership for such a time as is we praise the name of Christ

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Thank you, Pastor

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Not a clerk please call the role

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Mayor, Protem, Beledo

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Council Member Varios, I'm here.

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Council Member Dimitri.

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Council Member Tavalaris.

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Council Member Bootiers.

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Council Member Gillen Hammer.

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Here.

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Mayor Slater.

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Here.

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I promise, President.

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Tonight we have a presentation that has become a traditional thing we do in the month of September.

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a Proclamation recognizes September 20, 26, as hunger action month.

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Tonight we have Mike Lyurocos with CEO of a Bound Food Care and Jenny Collette, Manager

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of Public Affairs at Orange County, United Way to accept the Proclamation and Council Member

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Gutierrez will read it.

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Thank you.

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So this is a Proclamation honoring 20, 26, hunger action month, whereas hunger and poverty

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are issues of vital concern in California, or 20% of California households and 27% of households

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with children experienced food in security and do not know where their next meal will

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come from.

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And whereas, everyone needs nutritious food to thrive and people are working hard to provide

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for themselves and their families, yet over 387,000 individuals, including over 112,000

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children, that is one in six children, here in Orange County are food insecure.

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And whereas the City of Orange is committed to taking steps to come back hunger in every part of our community and to provide additional resources that those in our community need.

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And whereas the City of Orange is committed to working with the Orange County Hunger Alliance and educating people about the role and importance of food banks and food care in addressing hunger and raising awareness of the need to devote more resources and attention to hunger issues.

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And whereas, in 2025, Orange County Food Bank and Second Harvest Food Bank, collectively

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record an average of 108,473 individual food distribution visits per month from our community

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members facing food insecurity and distributed 72,837,548 pounds of food through their partner

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networks of food pantries at senior citizens, a senior center, sorry, schools, colleges,

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universities, houses of worship, soup kitchen.

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Shelters and other community organizations. And whereas, a bound food care helps to facilitate the recovery

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of more than £25 million of excess edible food in Orange County each year. Reducing food waste and diverting

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the food to those who need it. And whereas, the month of September has been designated as hunger

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action month in order to bring attention to food insecurity in our communities and to enlist the public in

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movement to end hunger by taking action, including volunteering, donating, and advocating to ensure

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every community and everybody in it has a food they need to thrive.

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And whereas food banks and other organizations across the country, including the members

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of Orange County Hunger Alliance, will host events throughout the month of September to bring

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awareness and help end food insecurity in our local community.

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Now that our four are Dan Slater, Mayor of the City of Orange, do here by recognizing September

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for 2026 as hunger action month in the city of orange

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and called as observance to the attention of our residents

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dated this 25th day of August 2026

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and are they here to receive the population?

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I see Mike and Jenny, if you'd like to come forward.

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You want to all come down?

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I don't want you just to take it.

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You are welcome to like, great

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job.

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It's a long, long time ago.

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I could have asked for all of this.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mike

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and Jenny, for all you do.

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All right. It is time for public comments.

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Ask the City Clerk how many public comments are in so far. We have 20 public speakers so far.

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you say 20. 20. Okay. That will make this decision a little easier. If this time members

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of the public may address the council on matters not listed on the agenda within the

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subject matter jurisdiction of the city council provide that no action may be taken on

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off agenda items unless authorized by law. Public comments this evening due to the amount are

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to three minutes, I'm sorry, two minutes per speaker, unless a different time limit is announced.

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It will be two minutes.

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If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council on non-agenda items,

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please raise your hand. If you are calling in, please press star 9 to raise your hand.

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We'll hear in-person speakers first and then move on to remote speakers.

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If you are participating remotely, the City Clerk will announce when your three minutes are up and then you will be muted.

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So, the in-person speakers, the first one up is Kurt Peterson, followed by P. Law and Gutierrez Lucero.

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And if the next speaker could make their way toward the front be ready to go, that would be great. Mr. Peterson.

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Good evening, I'm speaking on behalf of Wendy Raglan, my longtime friend who couldn't make it tonight.

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She states last week, I received a formal letter from the city clerk's office directing me to remove a stylized city of orange graphic from the city of orange political forum.

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And to stop using the city's name in the form title, frankly, I found that extraordinary.

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City of Orange political forum exists for political discussion, civic engagement, and public oversight of local, state and federal government.

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The title simply identifies the subject of the discussion.

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We discussed City of Orange politics, so the forums call the City of Orange political forum.

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City clerk-based or demand on Orangeman to spoke code 1.12, while I understand the city's interest in protecting its officials, ceiling logos.

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I do not believe that the interest extends to dictating how residents identify or discuss the government in private political forum.

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I complied with a request because I had no interest in turning a Facebook graphic into the speech with City Hall.

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My compliance should not be mistaken for agreement.

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It concerns me, it's a president, a municipal ordinance, intended to protect official city

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identifiers should not be used in a manner that we choose into a private forum dedicated

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to political discussion and civic participation.

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Residents should not receive government demand letters for engaging in a discussion about

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their local government.

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I'm asking for the council to review the chapter 1.12 to review how the chapter 1.12 is being

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interpreted and applied to the formal, and to formally retract the city's letter.

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Political speech.

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We've civic engagement and public oversight are not problems to be managed. The essential parts of local government. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Kurd following Pilar is Kevin New.

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Good evening. This is a public comment on the 24-11 North glass electricity warehouse. I'm up here to oppose to it.

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Good evening, Mayor and members of the city council. My name is Villargot Yoranzu Salon. I'm here as a resident to ask you to stop the proposed warehouse project at 24-11 North Warehouse.

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house street. I understand that the city has an interest in economic development, new businesses,

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jobs, and additional revenue. I also understand that the developer may believe this project

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makes economic sense. But tonight I ask you to consider a different question. That this project

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makes sense for the people who have to live next to it. The proposal is for nearly 299,000. It's

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for food in the U.S. where house with 36-loading dockets, operating in an area where homes are

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approximately 54 feet from the project boundary. This is not an abstract development somewhere

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far away from an neighborhood. This is a massive industrial operation being placed immediately

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next to people's homes. And the consequences will not be temporary. If this warehouse is approved

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and built, resin will leave with its impacts for decades. We are talking about increased

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traffic, diesel emissions noise, nighttime activity

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relating and accumulating effects of industrial

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operations, immediately I guess, into the homes.

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The health issue alone should make all of us stop and think.

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People cannot choose not to breathe the air outside their homes.

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They cannot choose their ears to track, to track noise every night.

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They cannot simply move their homes farther away from an industrial

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facility once it has been built.

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And children's cannot make that choice either.

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The city has identified a quality noise, transportation, and accumulated effect as issues

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requiring environmental review for this project.

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So, of course, a QMD also has made a formal comment on the city's environmental document.

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I respectfully ask you to look beyond the financial benefit of this project and consider

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responsibility you will carry if it is approved.

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Please choose the health safety and long-term well-being of orange-freecy and please deny this

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Thank you, Pilar. After Kevin is Rachel Rallnicky.

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Good evening. I live in the neighborhood next to the 2-4-11 North

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Glacell project coming up. Here's what's changed this week. A 298,98,980 square foot industrial

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building, building, running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the nearest bedroom, 54 feet from

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the property line. Fletcher Academy is a quarter mile away inside the

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distance California law

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for schools. The children who walk there live in those bedrooms. 24 hours a day means backup

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alarms at 2 in the morning, 54 feet from a child's window. The city owns city's own environmental

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document puts the cancer risk at nearest home at 10.7 and a million before mitigation. The threshold

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is 10. Significant, one measure, cleaner construction equipment brings it to 9.48.

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That's how

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The same document shows a second version with 36.

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The numbers I just gave you are the five dock version.

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Rexford has confirmed in writing that they're building the 36 dock version, not the

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five.

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Our regional air district called that marginally high sensitive to its assumptions, starting

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with a fire pump, modeled at 50 hours a year that can run four times that.

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The city told the city to rerun it, they have, those documents exist tonight.

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If the September 10th hearing holds the public first season, September 3rd, 7 days or

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a Labor Day weekend, ask yourself tonight why we can't see them now, yesterday and

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riding the city refused to reopen the common period, nothing changed and says about the

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documents that no one has read.

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If the commission approves the September 10th, it's finished, never reaches you guys, a less

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a resident pays to appeal it.

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So I'm telling you tonight, well it's free.

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My neighbors have stood here before, we'll be back September 8th and we'll have to pay

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for the privilege of standing here again.

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Thank you guys for your time.

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Thank you Kevin, following Rachel,

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is Andrew Gregoyan?

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Good evening, Mayor.

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City Council, my name is Rachel Niki.

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I want to speak with you with urgency tonight

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about Rexford Industrial Realty's proposed trucking warehouse

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at 211, Gillesale, and explain why my neighbors

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and I are strongly opposed to this project.

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I'm a district three homeowner in North Orange,

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And I live just 80 feet from the proposed development site.

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This is not an abstract issue for my family.

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My husband and I have a one year old daughter.

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We chose this neighborhood because we plan to raise our family here.

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But this project is forcing us to seriously question what the future is.

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Our neighborhood will look like Rex were just proposing to demolish the existing office warehouse park at Glacell and Pletcher and replace it with a nearly 300,000 square foot warehouse with 36 truck bays operating 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 300, 65 days a year. This will be built directly next to homes in a quarter mile from Pletcher Elementary. The impact of that level of truck activity would be enormous.

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More heavy truck, I mean, more emissions, more noise, more traffic, more wear on our city streets, more danger for the people who already live.

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there. My neighbors and I would be breathing the same pollution from those trucks every day and

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so with the approximately 500 children attending Pletra Elementary. Parents navigating

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the streets around the school should not also have to contend with a large constant stream

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of trucks traveling through the same corridor. Pletra may be one day my daughter's school

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and we don't want to face this. And this does not stop when the school day ends. Rexford

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is proposing an operation throughout the night on weekends and every day of the year residents

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living beside this property would be expected to endure truck activity noise and sleep disruptions

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24 hours a day. This is not the orange way, and I want to be very clear. We are not asking

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for better conditions, reduced hours, or small concessions that attempt to make an inappropriate

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project less harmful. The fundamental problem is the location and use itself. Orange should not

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make our neighborhood the president for placing intensive trucking operations at the site established

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homes in near and elementary school. Thank you very consideration.

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Thank you, Rachel. Following Andrew's Darcy D'Castro.

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Hello, my name is Andrew Goyne. I'm a fourth generation Orange County resident and I'm here

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today to talk about the Flock Cameras and Orange. This has been a massive topic going around

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the US currently and the issue with them is that there is no oversight into these cameras

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being placed and how they are used.

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They are collecting masses amounts of data of where people are going, logging it, and allowing

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for people on other states and other jurisdictions to see where people are going.

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There is a story of a man in Florida stalking his ex-wife, 717 times.

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That is a police officer, a sworn police officer that was stalking his wife with these cameras.

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There is another issue where flock themselves have been known to look at pools and children's

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gymnastic rooms while trying to show off the capabilities of flock cameras.

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These are dangerous for our community, for a multitude of reasons.

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I know that I'm uncomfortable knowing that they are here because they have been upgraded multiple

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times to be able to ping Bluetooth off your phone and get a data scrape of what's on your

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phone and your information.

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These cameras aren't to be used by anyone, not just who has access to them and police can use them.

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But anyone in the police can use them and they don't need a warrant.

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I feel like that is just completely unamerican.

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And it goes back to George Orwell, warned about in his book in 1984.

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for it is master valence and in this country, we, I believe, have a right to not be stopped

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from place to place.

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If someone is following you from your home to your job and then back, you would call the police.

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Why is a camera that is logging that same data and saying it to a massive corporation in

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any difference?

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Just because it is a corporation that is working with the government, there is no oversight

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and these cameras are dangerous for our community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Andrew, following Darcy as Sharon Edland.

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Good evening, Mayor, council members.

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My name is Darcy D'Castro, I've lived in

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Parkman Street since 1990.

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36 years in the same house.

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I know this isn't your item tonight.

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You aren't voting on anything.

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It goes to your planning commission of September 10th.

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I came anyway, because by the time it reaches you,

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if it reaches you, it will be too late to say quietly.

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Three offices in a parking lot. That's what's there now. What's proposed is a building

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about the size of five football fields open around the clock with the nearest bedroom 54 feet

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from the fence. Three things and I'll be brief. The trees. There are 282 on that property. The plant

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takes 232 of them. The city's own study says birds may nest in those trees. The protection

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it offers is a biologist walking the site before the sauce start, deciding on the spot how much

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room to leave, no distance, no number, nothing anyone could enforce, the nights.

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ours is a quiet neighborhood, it is quiet at night and has been for 46 years, others will

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give you the air quality numbers tonight, I won't repeat them, I'll tell you what the

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study assume instead. Three loaded.

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The meeting doves in use at one time, a version of that same building in that same document has 36.

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And the children, this will change the neighborhood that children here are growing up in. Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Darcy. Following Sharon Edlin is Allison Telford.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. I represent St. Mary Magdalene Church located at the corner of

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and English so. We are asking to be placed on the next agenda to consider allowing the church

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to participate in a parking permit program with the other residents along almond street.

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We are asking that you give us the same consideration that you have with those residents.

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We are not a retail store or a restaurant. We are a house of God. Since 1982 we have lived across

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from the Plaza. At that time, the city desired to have someone take over a rundown old building

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that was co-located with the historical building. When the church purchased the building,

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there was a mutual understanding that the city would assist the church as parking with parking

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as needed because of the small lot size. In 1982, the city had very few restaurants was not open

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on Sundays, so I am speculating that there was no need for a written agreement.

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Today, things are much different.

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We are suffering from a loss of available parking near us, and that is why I'm here.

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We are not asking for free parking.

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We are not asking for you to consider us as an exception.

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We have been an exception since 1982.

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There is no city employee that is identified to identify that I know of to speak on or to talk to about exceptions.

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We are now asking for your thought, well, consideration in this matter by placing us on the next month's agenda.

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Thank you so much for hearing us.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Following Allison, Telford is Chloe Flatterty.

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Good evening, Mayor, and members of the City Council and thank you for your opportunity to speak today.

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My name is Allison Telford, and I want it to be an additional voice to encourage the preservation of the role of

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skating community and history in order to by preserving holiday skates on her.

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As I reflect on my skating journey that started at Holiday Skates Center in the 90s,

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I think about the community and history of holiday skates center that I believe extends to hundreds of thousands

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if not millions of other skaters impacted by holiday skates center throughout the last 53 years.

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Roller skin offers a community that allows people to strengthen bonds while also making new connections,

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helping to protect from loneliness.

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The US Surgeon General's 2023 advisory about loneliness and isolation quantified the danger of loneliness,

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stinging up people who are socially disconnected face up to 29% higher risk of being matured death.

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A significant report from 2020 has estimated that loneliness could cause the U.S. economy over

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$406 billion a year.

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Holiday Skates Center helps prevent loneliness.

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Skaters help each other up, retake each other new skills, even if they don't know each other.

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Everyone is looking out for one another, and Skaters who are one strangers become acquaintances, friends,

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or even family.

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And I feel like there is multiple people in my family here tonight.

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Skating in the Holy Skate Center gives people a chance to be part of something bigger.

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I am grateful to have heard so many stories from the community that come to these city council meetings and at the ring.

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That showcase the rich history and legacy of Holidays Skates are in proof that it's not just a building, but a piece of orange history.

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The stories range from those who worked at the ring to those who competed to those who attended or hosted a birthday party at school events, non-profit events, filming funders or day camps, even those who met their spouse there.

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It's also a multi-generational community where grant parents can state with their grandkids and it's multi-generational.

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It's a beautiful place and I hope when you have the opportunity to make a decision,

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that you help balance the protection of this community and historical asset with the landowners.

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This is Ires, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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University about flop cameras, I will begin now.

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Flog is a dystopian violation of our rights,

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and when I mean by that, is that it inverts

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the very nature of how police are supposed to function.

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Introducial investigations are crime is supposed to happen first,

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and then detectives are supposed to identify

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a list of plausible suspects.

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Thanks.

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And then...

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When the suspects are placed under investigation, but under flock, we are all everybody in this room every day at every time when we get into our cars, under investigation at all times for all crimes.

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What a crime actually does occur, the police have a list of pre-investigated suspects, that's you, that's me, that's everybody in this room who gets in a car, that is everybody in the city.

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Today, our constitutional rights, especially our fourth amendment rights, are flagrantly violated every single day, as a matter of regular government policy.

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The primary argument for investing in Falk is that it lets us investigate crimes.

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Falk lets us prevent crimes, but it's my position that this is actually a misnomer.

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Despite what others have said here, Falk does not investigate crimes at all.

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It is not a tool for investigating crimes, and that misnomer has apparently confused several people.

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Flock is, at its very foundation, a tool for investigating pre-crumbs, not crimes, but pre-crumbs.

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We can have Flock and Preserver Civil Liberties. This is a misnomer.

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We can make this technology work for us. This is a misnomer. We just need to install more safeguards.

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The very nature of this technology is that it cannot be reformed or regulated or managed. It is investigating pre-crumbs.

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This is not about efficiency, this is not about technological process.

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This is about taking shortcuts that will be detrimental to our most vulnerable populations in orange,

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not the least of which young women and our migrant communities.

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Please reconsider the flood cameras in orange to California.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Chloe.

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Following Betsy is Rickles.

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My name is Betsy Neckon and I live a literal stone's throw from the proposed warehouse at

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I stand in solidarity tonight with many families in the neighborhood to speak against the project as proposed.

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According to the warehouse city database, maintained by the Redford Institute in Pitzer College,

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there are nine operational warehouses in the city of Orange.

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None of them are adjacent to residential neighborhoods,

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and only two of the warehouses are bigger than the proposed project, and they're quite old.

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existing warehouses have easy access to the 57 highway without passing by family homes.

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This new proposal puts a completely unfair burden on hundreds of families living in New York, New York, New York, New York, New York, New York,

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New York, New York, New York, New York.

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significantly affect our lives and health.

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Among other threats, the city's draft,

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mitigated, negative report showed an estimated cancer risk

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that exceeds regional standards,

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but cynically offered a mere tweak to the project

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that nudges the estimate to impact just below the threshold.

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That's not acceptable.

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And it leaves us questioning the city's commitment

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to protect us.

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We're asking that you insist on a full environmental impact report

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that uses realistic, current, and transparent assumptions to model the impact of the proposed project.

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There's far too much on the line for the families in my neighborhood to an accept and overly rosy and superficial analysis.

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Thank you. Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Betsy. Following Rick Olson is Faith Shimono,

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Greetings Mayor Council City staff and citizens. My name is Rick Olson and I bring news

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you're 250 minute man this year from the Sun to the American Revolution. My most important

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report is that in July 4th the Continental Congress indeed approved the Declaration of Independence

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for the support of this declaration with firm reliance on the protection of divine providence

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we mutually pledge each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. Each of these 56 delegates

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from the 13 colleagues signed no in the consequences if our cause failed indeed many of them

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paid the price.

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And July 8, the best ring throughout Philadelphia calling the citizens to the Pennsylvania

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State Building for a public reading of the Declaration, the State House Bill became famous,

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the most famous bell to ring that day, 26 earlier it was cast with a version of the book

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of the Bitticus that came true, that day proclaimed liberty throughout all the lands to

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all the inhabitants.

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The next day General Washington read the declaration to the assembled military in New York soon after the crowds gathered around the statue of King George III melted it down in turns

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It's led in 2000s and bullets to fight ironically his very own army

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George Washington reminded us it is one thing to proclaim independence. It is quite another to earn it

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We have begun the long fight to win the freedoms we have dreamed of and after in all the decades and centuries of our future

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the citizens will need to earn it. Not only defending our freedom from outside armies,

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but from internal conflicts as well. Thomas Jefferson said,

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understood this, and warned Americans will soon learn to make...

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Interested uses of every bright and power which they possess or assume. The public money, the public liberty, will soon be discovered of sources of wealth and dominion to those who hold them. Congress should afford to a time, and that is not a distance for distant one.

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When corruption in this, as in the country, which we drive our freedom from, will be seized at the heads of governments and be spread among them through the body of the people, when they will purchase the voices of the people and then make them pay the price.

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human nature is the same on every side of the Atlantic, and we'll be alike influenced by the

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same causes. The time is guarded, Benjamin Franklin, closed and said, we have a republic

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if we can keep it. Thank you, Reg. Nice uniform.

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Following, Faith is Sarah Chen call.

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Hello, I'm

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here to oppose the rezoning of holiday skate center. There's about 20 of us here, and we've

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been skating there a very long time. I personally have lived in this city for about 23 years

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and holiday has definitely been a part of all those 23 years. I was really planning on making

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it the rest of my life, but it's kind of up into you guys. So I really hope you do not

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resume in holiday skate center. I really like to keep skating there, follow my friends, and my family

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now. And Allison Telford has pretty much said it all. I echo everything that she says. So thank you so much.

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Following Sarah, is Eric now?

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Good evening.

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Thank you for letting me speak about holiday-says summer.

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Well, they're skating first gain popularity in the U.S. during the Great Depression.

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For 50 years holiday-says summer has become more than a building its community.

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My argument is simple.

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Where in Orange County can a family of four spend an entire afternoon together for less than a hundred dollars?

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Holiday Skates Center is one of the last answers to that question.

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When families walk through that door, something remarkable happens.

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It doesn't matter what neighborhood you're from.

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How old you are, what language you speak, what you believe, it's or how much money you have,

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people come together, they laugh, they escape, they belong. That kind of place cannot be

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recreated on a zoning map.

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We all want affordable housing in Orange County, but affordable

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housing without affordable living is an incomplete promise.

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Will families move here if they can only put or roof over their house?

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You cannot build a thriving community with just walls.

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I ask you to protect holiday-skates under zoning,

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our community, and a piece of the American culture.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Zara.

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Following Eric, there's Jane Hall today's assessment.

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My name is Eric, and I'm former DJ over at the Hall of the Skate.

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Before I get started, I'd like to see a group of skaters who came here to take a stand-up.

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My dad's stand-up.

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There's some of the faces that you'll see if you ever go down the skate at Hall of the League,

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which is no longer an existence in the city as fate says,

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to keep from rezoning that particular area.

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I've been in the sport for over 50 years.

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I remember back in Orange County in the 80s and 90s

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when we had 10 rings here.

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Now we're going to be down to one, found a valley.

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That's it.

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Holiday has been my home for the last 17 years.

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I watch people like Natalie over there.

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Now we stand up.

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Now there's seven-year-old young lady who's blossomed

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to a beautiful, beautiful butterfly.

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And she's always my favorite.

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And some of those things that I really enjoy when I go into

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to skate or to DJ, the smiles, the laughter, people you've never met before

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becoming friends, I always consider it's like a sanctuary.

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It's a place where people can go and no matter what your color is,

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which your disposition is, your politics makes no difference.

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You walk in the door, you throw in a purse case,

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and you're having a good time, no matter what.

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I'm going to ensure that's going to happen.

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And I know there is still one link I'd love to go to, but I hope you guys will vote

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to not rezone that particular and keep all that going.

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And I'd love to be able to do it for you guys to, if you come back and skate.

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I'd really enjoy that.

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As they know, I really enjoy it a lot, and that's really much it.

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Thank you so much.

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Good time. Thank you. Thank you, Eric.

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Following Jane is Tammy Deepo. You should have pulled a microphone.

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Hi, my name is Jane Hall of Disassumment and I'm here to talk about Hall of Discairink. Hall of Discairink has been a home and when I was a little my sister, city, she kept going there and I really, really wanted to go, but I couldn't roller skate.

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So when I grew up and C.D. was going to go to a holler escape ring, my mom asked,

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do you want to go? And I was like, yeah, and then I was so excited. And then I got to go on.

437
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:51,830
And then I had the best time ever. And then I kept continuing going on there and I got

438
00:35:51,830 --> 00:35:58,670
funnier and funnier. And now I'm doing lessons with Natalie. And it's really fun. She's teaching

439
00:35:58,670 --> 00:36:07,050
really cool tricks and music great teacher and also just save holiday

440
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:11,330
skater and don't raise on it please. Thank you.

441
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,030
Following Tammy is Natalie Chen.

442
00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:25,730
Hi my name is Tammy and I'm speaking for

443
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:30,270
the second time. I hope you all are doing well today. I would like to speak

444
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:34,550
about what holiday skater means. Holiday skater means to me and my kids and all of

445
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:41,670
here today. How it is a place where we find happiness. The music place is just you and your

446
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:47,410
skates, you're in a different world of just leaving all your hairs behind, you're on this

447
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:53,370
swing and it just it helps you in every single way. We all face struggles, you know, there's

448
00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:58,510
teenagers out there, then you need a place to go to, they're on the streets, they I pick up teenagers

449
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:05,430
every week when I go. And we have such a blast there and echoing what Eric said. Thank you, Eric.

450
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:11,630
He makes it fun for everybody. Every single Tuesday we go there and it's just a place where we find

451
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:16,990
so much happiness. We could be at work, you know, struggling with something, we go to the ring,

452
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:23,070
we leave it there. Our cellphones going to lockers, it's just us, our friends, having such a great time.

453
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:32,450
I'm a librarian for an MC school district and student walked in last week and said,

454
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:37,350
Hi, Mr. Poto. I saw his skin at the ring with all your friends who were having such a great time.

455
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:43,070
Everybody was having such a great time and he didn't know the ring was going to close and I had to tell him and he was actually in tears.

456
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:47,250
So he just started skating there and he would like to continue skating there. He said,

457
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:52,110
My son's, when he was seven, he's springed his hand and had to take him to the doctor.

458
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:56,430
He said, I'm never going to go on just how it is, Gates and again, up to this day.

459
00:37:56,690 --> 00:38:02,770
He's going to be 18 next month and he just wants to skate like never before and enjoy like

460
00:38:02,770 --> 00:38:04,550
all we do skating every week.

461
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,250
Please keep this week open and consider the rezoning.

462
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:11,730
It means a lot to us and all of our family here.

463
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,190
Thank you.

464
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:14,550
Thank you, Terry.

465
00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:18,210
Following Natalie is Maggie Sussleman.

466
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Hello, Mayor and council members.

467
00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:33,020
I'm here to talk about the rezoning of holiday skate center.

468
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,040
Currently, the land owners are asking to raise on the property to make town homes.

469
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:45,720
We have a fifth over 50 year old roller skating rink sitting on that property.

470
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:59,080
I'm here to talk about not rezoning it because of the amazing life that has provided me and I know it provides all these kids like Jane and Maggie.

471
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,200
I started there when I was six years old and I stepped onto that floor and absolutely hated it.

472
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,440
I want to get off as fast as possible.

473
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,060
And I talked to the Shaperone,

474
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,800
and he said, I need to skate around the whole rink

475
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in order to get off.

476
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,700
And by the time I got around the rink,

477
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I fell in love with it.

478
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,580
And I went home and told my mom about it,

479
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and I'm so excited.

480
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,120
Usually, I don't remember these field trips,

481
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,100
the names of the places.

482
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,440
I made sure to memorize the name,

483
00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:27,740
Hall of these Skates Center, in green into my brain.

484
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,140
So I could go there, and she brought me the very next day,

485
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,300
and I've been going there for lessons every week since.

486
00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:43,920
And now this has led to an 18-year-long artistic roller skating career and has allowed me to represent Team Jose several times.

487
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:51,460
And that is quite insane to see a little kid who was afraid of putting Skates on has now got to represent her country.

488
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:59,960
This opportunity, because I went on this field trip, and has allowed me to work with Chanel, HBO Max, dying in the Ross, now.

489
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:19,320
Our judges in usher. All because of this one-field trip I took. Now, roll assgating can might seem just like a little hobby, but this is a place where people feel at home. I was bullied in school, like I told you guys last evening, and I thought how I'm going to find my friends of all ages.

490
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:25,360
Like Eric, I got to meet him and he was DJing there and he was doing the throwbacks night

491
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,320
and I did not know any throwback music when I was eight years old.

492
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,540
I thought, why I'm saying it was it.

493
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:33,280
So, that I'll tell you more about that next time.

494
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,620
Thank you Natalie.

495
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:39,060
After Maggie, where's Gloria?

496
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,020
I don't know.

497
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:44,440
I'm here to talk about how to discate.

498
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:46,920
How to discate is my second home.

499
00:40:46,920 --> 00:41:14,780
I've been skating there for a very long time and I've been learning new tricks, new stuff, and a lot, and I just got a lesson today, and if I have all those tricks, I don't know where to like, do then, and because every day I think about holiday skate clothing, and then, like, what am I going to do with holiday skate closes?

500
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:23,440
I'm going to have to find any subject and then nothing and then the thing that I will find

501
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,680
I won't really find because I'll keep thinking about how to escape.

502
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:34,900
That's the one thing I want to do and I want to keep going so just don't

503
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:42,770
We found how to disobey it's really, really a home to.

504
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:45,150
Thank you, Maggie.

505
00:41:47,050 --> 00:41:49,470
Falling Gloria is Kevin Reyes.

506
00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:57,580
Hello, good evening. My name is Gloria Rinalo.

507
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,720
And I'm here to oppose the giant warehouse that's in consideration

508
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,440
on the corner of the flat triangle cell.

509
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:13,360
I live across the street just on the two houses from the project.

510
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,840
My husband and I have lived there for 32 years.

511
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:20,700
We raised our children there.

512
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,540
We went to Fletcher Elementary and Pooh Park Schools.

513
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,200
And we've been proud orange resonance for ever we love orange.

514
00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:33,240
So when this project arose, we thought,

515
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:39,960
Okay, I'll give them a chance, let's see, you know, we're always pro, you know, improvement.

516
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:49,700
And it sounded okay until we started, like asking questions and those questions were just vaguely answered.

517
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:56,920
And then as we probed it a little bit more, then we discovered, hey, this is not what they're talking about.

518
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,560
this like six-page project and only certain hours and y'all got out and I thought,

519
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:11,740
I feel deceived and I feel like, no, I don't want the pollution. I don't want the noise.

520
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:21,460
It's just too much for families and our children and the future. It's like we haven't in that area,

521
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:28,720
there's a lot of it is zone commercial and because of that we're going to add more I'm just going

522
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:36,340
what's going on with us here and let's look after our families, let's look after each other and

523
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:43,760
that's what I feel is important. Yes you know improvement is great but we need to look for each other

524
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:53,090
and I find this just just kind of disappointing that someone would let that happen to us.

525
00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:55,990
That's my piece.

526
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:56,590
Thank you.

527
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,500
Following Kevin, we have a remote speaker.

528
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:20,800
Dear City Council, Mayor Slater, owners of the land, everyone watching and anyone within

529
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,420
ear to ear.

530
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,720
I campaign support for proving a Heritage Commission, a proposal for an environmental commission

531
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:32,040
to create a report for warehouses in Glacell to oppose the rezoning of the land on which

532
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,820
holiday stands and to request that a red line version of all city meeting agendas be provided

533
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:41,500
to the public from this point forth. A Heritage Commission will help the City Government become a certified local

534
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,220
government, which will help the gain access to funding provided by the California State Park

535
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:49,420
Supplement. We'll provide a report to the City Council, much like the Planning Commission. The

536
00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:53,680
scope of the Heritage Commission will be preserving cultural significance, which is beyond the scope of

537
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:59,760
the Planning Commission. And if it were co-opted by Confederate white supremacist racist fascist

538
00:44:59,760 --> 00:44:59,960
call.

539
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,840
Public commentializing agents, and courses that are caused already built into overthrow and much like the declaration of independence.

540
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:16,800
The declaration of independence states, we hold these truths to be self-evident, the all men are created equal, that they are indulicated by their Creator, certain unealable rights, that among them are life-flipty and a pursuit of happiness.

541
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,560
Don't cut off the pursuit of happiness from orange.

542
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,120
A impossibility of this pursuit is becoming the very place of Olympic artistic roller ski.

543
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:31,260
What is required is a wooden ring like holiday. Don't tear it down instead get funding to refurbish it

544
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:36,520
If not holiday, build a new wooden floor because everyone else is not the same

545
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:42,540
Mayor Slater as a skateboarder, you know that there's nothing more frustrating than having someone snicker lying

546
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:49,340
You already have a wooden floor. Why demolish it if we do if we do it is an action we cannot take back

547
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:54,060
For what good is salt? If it loses its saltiness, it will be thrown out and trampled

548
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:59,040
underfoot as useless. Preserve the wooden floor for holiday, preserve holiday,

549
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:04,180
approve of a Heritage Commission, become a CLG, consider an environmental commission,

550
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,560
provide his real-time versions of all council meetings, oppose the rezoning, and advocate for

551
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,480
what is left of the American dream. This one is for Daldy Karten, rest in peace Daldy Karten,

552
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,240
this one's for you. Thank you guys and may the best men win.

553
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:21,380
We

554
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:33,760
have a remote speaker and congratulations. You are a very first remote speaker since COVID. Who is that?

555
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:42,300
It's color. Color with ending six to six for. Okay. You're on. You have two minutes.

556
00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:14,350
Thank you all right that into public comments next is the consent calendar. I'll start with my colleagues to say anyone have any items they'd like to pull for

557
00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:15,890
discussion or questions.

558
00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:20,490
Cosmere Barrios.

559
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:22,730
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

560
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:26,790
I wanted to pull 3.3, 3.5, and 3.8.

561
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:30,560
I think that was it.

562
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:32,740
Yes, those were the only ones fixed.

563
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:36,510
Any other of my colleagues?

564
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:42,220
Do you have any ones that we need to pull from the public?

565
00:48:42,780 --> 00:48:43,280
Yes, Mayor.

566
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,580
We received speaker cards for item 3.3 and 3.10.

567
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,400
We have a motion to approve the balance from Cosmere

568
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,520
to meet Drew, is there a second?

569
00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:03,140
Second, by Council Member Gillen Hammer, any discussion

570
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,940
on the remaining items?

571
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,580
Seeing none of call for the vote.

572
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:22,740
Approved unanimously, okay, I have 3.3,

573
00:49:22,940 --> 00:49:27,720
agreement and appropriation of 87,182 dollars in grant funding.

574
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:34,720
received for a fiscal year 2025 operation stone garden grant program council member Baris.

575
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,780
I have to make a disclosure real quick.

576
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:43,880
I have to just disclose for the public record that the administrator of this grant is my employer.

577
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:44,940
It's the grant division.

578
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:48,600
I am in a different division, which ever received no income.

579
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,020
I received no benefit.

580
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,880
Financial interest within the award or the distribution of funds.

581
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:54,680
Thank you.

582
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:56,420
Council member, council member Barios.

583
00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:59,970
Yes, first I want to...

584
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,940
I think the city manager and the chief for providing additional information, but my self-incouncil member

585
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:09,660
Gutierrez, but I have a number of additional questions that I'm going to try to get through

586
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:13,680
without coughing, so I'm going to ask for the chief to head on it.

587
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:19,640
And while you're making

588
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a way, obviously, it's no secret about how I feel about some of the departments with which we're

589
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:31,580
working with and the takes of those federal operations. So I went through this very, very carefully,

590
00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:36,520
And there were still a lot of things that weren't obviously transparent.

591
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:49,580
For example, while it was clear that how OPD would use the grant in terms of administrative oversight over time pay and body armor,

592
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:58,060
it was not clear to me at all what operations you would actually be doing or would be done under the auspices of this grant.

593
00:51:00,980 --> 00:51:11,200
Good evening, Mayor members of City Council, we do have a staff report with Lieutenant Mancini that I think would be helpful, because it will cover a majority of the

594
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,220
Operational questions like what will this look like?

595
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,880
Who's in charge all of those type of questions?

596
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Before we did that, I just want to lay out just so you understand the police departments position on this.

597
00:51:24,220 --> 00:51:29,200
The item you have before you is a consideration of entering into the agreement with the US Department of Homeland Security

598
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,500
through the California Governor's Office of Emergency Services, also known as OES for Operation Stone Garden.

599
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:45,140
Our interest in this grant is to fulfill the specific direction of this council to each department to find new ways to fund their priorities given the state of the city's budget.

600
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,680
There was a statement from the council to look in the couch for cushions for money.

601
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,380
We are constantly looking at grants to ensure we are able to meet all of our priorities.

602
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:59,800
In addition to this grant, two additional grants through ABC and OTS were on the agenda.

603
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,260
Our top priority is service to our community in providing public safety.

604
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:08,840
We do that in several ways, including the disruption of drug suppliers and traffickers.

605
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,020
We believe that Operation Stone Garden provides the funding for us to manage this priority.

606
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:17,080
Because I'm certain this will come up, I'll say the following and I've said it before,

607
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:19,180
but I'll keep repeating it like a broken record.

608
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:22,060
The Orange Police Department does not enforce immigration.

609
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:25,980
We follow state law and department policy which prohibits it.

610
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:28,460
We can't break the law to enforce the law.

611
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,180
We would not enter into an agreement that would put a single position where we would

612
00:52:32,180 --> 00:52:34,380
knowingly break the law just to receive funding.

613
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:38,480
Language specifically mentioned in this grant

614
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,100
to enforce local and state laws subject to the California values act,

615
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:46,360
also known as SB 54, and prohibits specifically stating

616
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,240
shall not enforce or aid in the enforcement of immigration laws

617
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,620
correlates to the involvement of the California governor's office of emergency services,

618
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,380
which allows for our participation in allocation of funds.

619
00:52:58,740 --> 00:53:03,180
With that, I'd like to have Lieutenant John Mancini provide the overview of the operational

620
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:08,340
side so that you can have a better understanding of how the funds will be used and then

621
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:09,980
we can answer additional questions.

622
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:16,700
Good evening Mayor and members of the City Council.

623
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:22,640
So, Operation Stone Garden is a public safety grant whose primary purpose is to provide funding

624
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,240
over time, equipment, and training to address transnational criminal organizations, drug

625
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,240
trafficking, human trafficking, and weapons smuggling.

626
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,400
These funds will enhance our ability to combat organized crime and improve public safety

627
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,580
without placing an additional burden on the city and taxpayers.

628
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,760
It's no secret that fentanyl has prevalent in our community, and in our parks just last week

629
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,160
we responded to El Camino Park and provided in our can for a male who was overdosing.

630
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:56,720
In total, officers have responded to nearly 40 of these similar incidents this year in 2026.

631
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,840
Even if seen the news last week, we're three members of the Mexican Mafia were sentenced to

632
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,780
life without parole for a murder they committed in Orange. This case of all three members of

633
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:15,040
Organized Crime, who were murdered a drug trafficker, in Old Town, for failing to pay taxes to the

634
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:21,200
S.I.U. served a search warrant in the 900 block of East Loveta and arrested a drug dealer and convicted felon.

635
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,740
The incident resulted in the seizure of fentanyl and over 40 guns.

636
00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:31,660
We are located in the center of a major California county and we have five freeways that run through the city limits.

637
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,260
I spent three years of my career working undercover with the DEA.

638
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,480
There's no question that drug and human trafficking organizations operate within our city limits.

639
00:54:41,020 --> 00:54:45,080
The Orange Police Department has a team of detectives known as the Special Investigations Unit

640
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,520
or SIU, and their duties include the type of work for which this grant is intended.

641
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:55,440
Drug introduction, intelligence gathering, surveillance, and the disruption and dismaling

642
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,400
of criminal organizations.

643
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,980
This grant will help us fund and manage those priorities.

644
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:07,520
The SIU Sergeant is the individual who supervises the day-to-day operations of this unit and will oversee the grant.

645
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:14,180
His detectives established enforcement surveillance and strategies, sorry, enforcement and surveillance strategies.

646
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:21,040
All of their cases have a nexus to the city of Orange, but oftentimes, as cases grow, they expand beyond our city limits.

647
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:29,780
Over the last year and a half, SIU has conducted numerous operations and seized millions of dollars worth the fentanyl methamphetamine and other legal drugs.

648
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:38,600
It is because of this that the Orange Police Department was recognized by the Riverside County Sheriff's Department as a worthy subrecipient of the grants.

649
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,100
Under this grant, the Orange Police Department would not take any direction from an outside agency.

650
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:52,760
Simply put, there's no collaboration with Border Patrol, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department, or any other agency regarding how we work our cases.

651
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,200
These funds do not obligate us to work side-by-side with the United States Border Patrol or other federal agencies.

652
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:10,880
These funds do not require our officers to check immigration status, communicate immigration information to other agencies, or perform any other action that would violate the California values Act.

653
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Our standard practices do not change.

654
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:18,320
The Riverside County Sheriff's Department is the grant recipient for this region.

655
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:24,900
They award funds to sub recipient agencies who have demonstrated commitment and competency with these types of investigations.

656
00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:28,240
That is the extent of their role in this process.

657
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,420
Riverside County Sheriff's Department does not determine or approve our operations.

658
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,180
They have no say in our involvement or how we conduct our activities.

659
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,780
The same could be said for any other agency.

660
00:56:39,540 --> 00:56:43,560
Further legitimizing its compliance with the California Values Act, this program has been

661
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,520
vetted by the California Governor's Office of Emergency Services.

662
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:52,160
If there's further concern about the involvement of the Department of Homeland Security,

663
00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:56,620
the language in this grant is clear that these funds cannot be used for immigration enforcement.

664
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:03,220
On page 3 of the agreement under Section 4.2, its state's parties will not enforce local

665
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:07,600
and state laws within their designated jurisdiction subject to the California Values Act.

666
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:15,740
We shall not enforce or aid in the enforcement of immigration laws on behalf of U.S. customs and border protection and U.S. border patrol.

667
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:21,180
This agreement does not provide federal authority to parties to enforce immigration laws.

668
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:28,520
Accepting this grant does not change the Orange Police Department's mission or commitment to serving every member of the community fairly and professionally.

669
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:35,580
Our officers will continue to prioritize public safety, violent crime reduction, narcotics enforcement,

670
00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:38,960
and the protection of victims regardless of immigration status.

671
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:44,620
This grant allows our city to leverage federal resources to enhance public safety while maintaining

672
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:48,680
local control over our policing priorities and continue to build trust for the community

673
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,460
we serve.

674
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,640
This grant is investment in public safety, it's not a change in local immigration policy,

675
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:57,820
and I'm happy to answer any questions that you have.

676
00:58:01,460 --> 00:58:05,900
I didn't notice before Mr. Mayor that there are two public speakers and I think they should

677
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:06,760
probably go first.

678
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:12,100
Okay, first speaker is Reggie Monica's followed by Mary Oberslake.

679
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,780
I support this grant.

680
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:23,440
I think it's a good idea to take this money.

681
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:30,820
We need to do everything we can to get the illegal drug trade out of our community

682
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:37,820
and one of the things that people can do on their own is to discourage the use of illegal drugs

683
00:58:37,820 --> 00:58:43,680
because if there was, nobody was buying that note and all these other things they're selling

684
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:49,500
now, we don't have to do this, okay. This is very corrosive and destructive and dangerous

685
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:55,260
in our community because the traffickers not only do they sell products that kill people,

686
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:02,280
if you get no way, they think that you're expendable, they'll kill you. So I support this grant

687
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,340
and I think it's necessary for our city to do this and their safeguards in place has nothing to do

688
00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:14,020
immigration enforcement. It's like we deal with OCTA, OCTA a lot. They give a lot of grants.

689
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:20,160
It's like if you get a grant from them for a particular kind of environmental mitigation,

690
00:59:20,740 --> 00:59:26,060
we're supposed to do planting in a certain area. And then you, for some reason, decide to try to

691
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:32,120
use it to fix heart-part pool, it's not going to work. They're going to come after you for that. So

692
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,180
This is a good money. We need to take it. Thank you.

693
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,020
Thank you, Reggie, I'm Mary.

694
00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:43,110
Mr. Mayor.

695
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:45,630
Mayor Parchems to be Council members.

696
00:59:46,510 --> 00:59:48,190
I have written statements tonight.

697
00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:51,610
I apologize for my speech and pediment.

698
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:56,930
I stand before you tonight as a representative of Indivisible Orange.

699
00:59:58,350 --> 00:59:59,970
We have grave concerns.

700
01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:22,960
In light of what we are learning about data breaches with ALPRS's and companies like Flock, nationally, and even here in our county, there is legitimate cause for concern about the impact of participating in a program like this.

701
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,860
In a 2025 memo to the Trump administration,

702
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:31,740
the electronic frontier of foundation criticized Stone Garden,

703
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,240
arguing that technology companies

704
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,300
steer police into a plane for the program

705
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:40,260
to sell them needless surveillance technology.

706
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,760
We don't need to spend our money needlessly.

707
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:49,520
Are there any guarantees or guardrails in place

708
01:00:49,520 --> 01:01:00,660
to ensure that we may be compliance with SB 34 and no you've spoken at length about protections

709
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:09,200
for our immigrant neighbors, but what about the rest of us under SB 34? Are we protected

710
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:18,840
from future law lawsuits over potential civil rights violations? How is the data we collect

711
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:27,860
here being sent outside of our community, we the people of Orange need to know, there are

712
01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:35,080
ramifications for where the state of Goes and how it's used and the impact it can have

713
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,280
on us in the future.

714
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:38,560
Thank you, Mary.

715
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:44,200
There is a motion to prove this item on the floor by Mayor Pro Tempillado, a second by Council

716
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,120
I don't remember, Bill, and ever, about $2,000, or borrowers.

717
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:52,760
And thank you for everything that you just said.

718
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,980
It did answer a lot of my questions, but I did read the staff report.

719
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:05,260
And I did read the Neagream at two, and then both items, it talks about that, some of what

720
01:02:05,260 --> 01:02:08,860
you said, but it contradicts what you said, because it says we're going to share intelligence

721
01:02:08,860 --> 01:02:22,180
amongst organizations, not only those in the grant, but also state, federal and local, multi-agency, I think it's as multi-gerestictional, multiple times in both the agreement and the staff report.

722
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:37,820
So, I was just a little confused about that and who is the actual lead agency if there is one, or are you saying that the really isn't a lead agency other than the Riverside Sheriff's Department as the fiscal agent and everyone is running their own operations.

723
01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:40,520
That's where I got really tripped up.

724
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:41,460
That's correct.

725
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:43,100
The second way you put it.

726
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,780
So, Riversides, the other recipient of the grant.

727
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,600
And that is the extent of their involvement in the investigative side of this.

728
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,060
They provide money to us.

729
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,380
We conduct our own investigations and all we provide to the grant recipient is statistical data.

730
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:58,760
We made this many arrests.

731
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,080
We seized this many drugs.

732
01:03:00,420 --> 01:03:01,560
We seized this many guns.

733
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,760
We arrested two felonies and we don't provide immigration stat.

734
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:12,220
We don't provide anything different than what we do on every other arrest that we make every single day.

735
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,460
It's just a statistical data, there's no immigration information.

736
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,740
We don't even ask that, so we don't have that to give them.

737
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:20,360
It's okay, it's just me, you don't have to be nervous.

738
01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:24,140
I do want a lot of people like me who are like, what is this?

739
01:03:24,260 --> 01:03:29,220
And so the clarification is really, really important for the community who's looking at this

740
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:36,600
and jumping to conclusions, so it's really helpful to understand exactly what this is getting to.

741
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,460
And when it says multi-jure sectional and multiple agencies and local state and fed, what does that mean?

742
01:03:42,820 --> 01:03:47,120
So it could be, it could mean simply as our normal FBI reporting.

743
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,100
Yes.

744
01:03:48,740 --> 01:03:48,920
Okay.

745
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,600
The information sharing with other agencies, it's no different than what we already do.

746
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,880
If we have an investigation that carries into another city, like Costa Mesa, who's always a,

747
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:03,440
also a grant recipient on this, we would call them to notify them that we're in the area,

748
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:10,900
or that, it's not a network where we're having crossover on cases or we're doing multi-agency

749
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:17,020
investigations unless something led us to something like that, we're not bringing in other

750
01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:18,460
agencies into our investigations.

751
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,360
Well, and that also explained the waterways, which I didn't quite understand because we don't

752
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,500
have those necessarily.

753
01:04:26,740 --> 01:04:30,740
But the city manager also let me know that this is a program that have

754
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:34,820
in place in 2005 that you could have gone after funds for.

755
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,220
So I think you answered that question

756
01:04:37,220 --> 01:04:38,640
at the reason you went after now

757
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,560
is because of the just kind of turning over

758
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:46,100
every sort of speak stone to find other funding opportunities.

759
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,680
That and we have an exceptional unit

760
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,180
who has done a lot of good work recently

761
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:53,180
in the last couple of years

762
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:54,520
and we're recognized for that

763
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,800
and basically recruited us into this program

764
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,520
or said hey, if you guys want to apply for this,

765
01:04:59,520 --> 01:04:59,980
you guys are a little...

766
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:24,100
Okay. And then, again, the question about the operations. When it talks about multi-jure-stictional operations, it's not necessarily talking about that someone above OPD is going to be dictating to our officers and our units about what they want to do. It might be something that we do a joint operation on.

767
01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:30,980
We do joint operations, but for the purpose of this grant, we're not taking direction from anybody.

768
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,940
Or we're not doing the purpose of this grant as not to do these multi-juristic,

769
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:38,680
investigations.

770
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,020
It's basically to fund the work that we're already doing.

771
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:45,640
It's not a new project or a different task that we're taking on.

772
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:46,960
It's our everyday activities.

773
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:56,100
And I would just point out that while I thank you for going through all my questions, the staff report could have been a little bit more clear on that.

774
01:05:56,420 --> 01:06:00,180
And just it just wasn't clear enough to make give a great sense of comfort.

775
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:02,700
So sorry to put you through the ringer.

776
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:05,900
That's very good to hear us.

777
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,100
Chief and I'm sorry I didn't catch your name.

778
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:10,060
John.

779
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,840
Thank you so much for clarifying all the operational things.

780
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:42,000
As Councillor Barda said, when I saw this item, my bunch of bells and whistles when I was very concerned and I also reached out to our city manager and I also reached out to our county supervisor as he represents are my district and a good portion of orange and as I was reading the report as well so that it came before our board supervisor so I thought that was an opportunity to speak to him about it.

781
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,320
So you answered a lot of the operational questions.

782
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:45,920
I appreciate that.

783
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:49,980
He also said he had a lot of concerns when it came forth to them as well.

784
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:58,120
And once it was explained very much as you just did, that the reason for it, the money

785
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:06,040
was just, as you said, the enforcement of direct drug trafficking and smuggling human trafficking

786
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:13,680
as well. He felt more comfortable to vote on that issue and just talked to me through it and

787
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,280
so I appreciate hearing from you as well and how we were to use it because I believe that's

788
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:25,460
what our public needs to hear the most. As I had concerns, they have concerns and just in regards

789
01:07:25,460 --> 01:07:32,980
to all our data, when you say we don't share it, it's just like your regular the way you do all

790
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:38,080
information is that like I explained to me a little more is that digital goes into your digital

791
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:45,160
database and they cannot access your digital data how does that work so can you explain that a little

792
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:53,890
more to me. As far as information sharing for the grant activities every time that we have a grant

793
01:07:53,890 --> 01:08:01,690
whether it's this or like our traffic grant or the OTS highway you have to provide statistical data

794
01:08:01,690 --> 01:08:03,050
to the grant recipient.

795
01:08:03,310 --> 01:08:04,870
If I'm answering your question correctly, I'll answer.

796
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:06,430
But I just wanted to like, what exactly?

797
01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:08,730
And is it, I must, I'm assuming obviously it's digital.

798
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:13,590
Are you giving names, addresses, where they lived,

799
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:16,810
is it just, it was this many, and that not necessarily

800
01:08:16,810 --> 01:08:18,030
tying it to an individual?

801
01:08:18,330 --> 01:08:18,630
Correct.

802
01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:22,230
It's male, adult, or female, adult,

803
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:25,160
arrested

804
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,800
for this felony, and where that felony and booked at Orange County

805
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,160
jail.

806
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:30,680
OK.

807
01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:31,720
All right.

808
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:32,720
Thank you very much.

809
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:38,880
I appreciate it again. Thank you so much for clarifying this for us, because this was a very

810
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,860
alarming to me when I read this. So thank you.

811
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,040
That's a very Dimitri.

812
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:50,580
Thank you, Mayor Chief LT. Obviously, I'll be little differences of opinions. I thought your staff

813
01:08:50,580 --> 01:08:57,280
report was pretty clear. It made it abundantly easy to read. I understood it. I just think

814
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:02,180
the big holdup or hang up here is just the title of where the money is coming from because

815
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:08,900
on 3.6, we had no problem taking a bunch of federal money for selective traffic enforcement.

816
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:17,100
It was up to federal funds of up to $306,000 as opposed to the 87,000.

817
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:22,660
I think Council Member Varios pointed out this has been a program around since what?

818
01:09:23,580 --> 01:09:24,640
2003, 4,5 area.

819
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,300
So it's been through multiple administrations, multiple political backgrounds and ideals.

820
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:42,140
And I was really primarily founded for originally with San Diego and Imperial counties with the sole intent to purpose of keeping poison off the streets that's killing children.

821
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:59,740
So, I'm going to support this 100 percent. I have no problem with it and I'm glad you guys did exactly what we as a collective body had asked multiple times was find money to fund our programs to keep officers on the street to enforce the law. Thank you.

822
01:10:00,940 --> 01:10:12,080
Council member Barrios. I had one more question of clarification because as I was reading through the agreement, there is a specific call to FEMA and I did not understand that.

823
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:20,960
FEMA is the federal authority that provides the money to the Department of Homeland Security who then provides it to the Riverside County Sheriff's Department.

824
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,000
Okay, all right, thank you very much.

825
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,960
And Paltzmera Tellers.

826
01:10:27,940 --> 01:10:28,900
Thank you.

827
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:36,240
When we got an ask for money grants, specifically for public safety, are we in the

828
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,640
have a questioning the methods in which they were given or who gives it?

829
01:10:39,740 --> 01:10:47,000
I think just because it comes from a political party here is against the White House

830
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,480
political party and so the city of Orange can't take money.

831
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:51,280
I just find this a little ridiculous.

832
01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:54,280
You are here to fight crime where you're here to protect and serve.

833
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:55,640
This is pretty simple.

834
01:10:57,620 --> 01:11:01,360
To question our police officers asking their motives,

835
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,480
when I think we all know what their motives are.

836
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,940
So fight crime and for you to come up here and

837
01:11:06,940 --> 01:11:11,300
spot your political beliefs and then tell us we can't accept money

838
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:12,340
because of who the president is.

839
01:11:13,460 --> 01:11:14,900
It's pretty pompous.

840
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,560
If they're giving us money, take it.

841
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,220
Let's fight crime, that's what we do.

842
01:11:20,220 --> 01:11:22,800
And we take an oath to protect and serve.

843
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:28,500
I think dividing criminals by whether they're legal or not legal.

844
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:31,760
It's going down a rabbit hole.

845
01:11:31,860 --> 01:11:32,960
I don't think you want to go down.

846
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:34,740
We are here to protect our police officers,

847
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,540
and they are here to protect us.

848
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:37,340
Thank you.

849
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,580
Any other comments?

850
01:11:40,980 --> 01:11:41,780
Any questions?

851
01:11:43,420 --> 01:11:44,720
I will call for the vote.

852
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:50,780
I'm sorry.

853
01:11:50,780 --> 01:11:58,400
clarify that my is on a political issue, I want to clarify when I read CBP and we know exactly

854
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:06,280
what happened with individuals in Minnesota and that was CBP, that was my alarm and reading

855
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:06,600
this.

856
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:13,500
I'm not questioning our OPD, I have 100% faith in our orange PD and so all I want is clarification

857
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:18,820
on this because that is alarming to me and it's insulting to me as well and that is what

858
01:12:18,820 --> 01:12:23,580
clarification was and there was no way that I would ever not want to give them their tools,

859
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,200
but I want it explanations and understand it better.

860
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,720
That's where I just need to clarify it out.

861
01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:31,520
No.

862
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,760
Excuse me.

863
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:33,620
Excuse me.

864
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,500
Are you finished?

865
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:35,240
Tell us where I get to.

866
01:12:35,340 --> 01:12:40,680
I just want to clarify my position and I don't know if you're speaking to me or others, but

867
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,640
I want to clarify why it was alarming to me and that to me is not political.

868
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,160
It's clearly what occurred.

869
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,940
And so, I need to carry out the government, please, wait, please.

870
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,360
But I just want to clarify for myself and the reason we brought it forward.

871
01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:57,580
Again, I would never question you on that.

872
01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:58,500
I just want clarification.

873
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:02,380
So, and I always want to be able to give you your tools.

874
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,200
So, thank you.

875
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:05,540
All right.

876
01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:10,620
I don't want to get into a political debate, but child's minute total is your...

877
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:12,440
But you did question them.

878
01:13:12,740 --> 01:13:15,640
And you're questioning their motives because they took money from the federal government,

879
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,880
which by the way, Governor Newsom's office approved us.

880
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,880
So there's nothing political here, but when the lady comes up and says,

881
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,980
I'm here for whatever their political operation is called

882
01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:28,340
indivisible.

883
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:32,520
And she's saying, we are against this because of this.

884
01:13:32,860 --> 01:13:35,780
And then you're coming out and asking, well, do you do this and do

885
01:13:35,780 --> 01:13:36,180
that?

886
01:13:36,540 --> 01:13:40,080
Then we're questioning the motives in which our own police officers

887
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,940
are, we're doubting their motives on the street.

888
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,360
That's not correct.

889
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:50,500
We are here to protect and serve our community, not based on who is citizen and who is not a citizen.

890
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,760
They've explained that at Nalvin as the Chief of Said to us,

891
01:13:53,780 --> 01:13:58,360
but we keep bringing up these problems because one person and one group of people

892
01:13:59,220 --> 01:14:00,700
can find a conspiracy and everything.

893
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:04,520
We need to protect our cops and support them.

894
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,080
And I don't care who they voted for or what the money is coming from.

895
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:09,060
We need money.

896
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,360
We told them to go out and get it and they got it.

897
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:16,560
The question in the method in which they got it and where they got it from is this.

898
01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:17,420
Protect our police.

899
01:14:17,420 --> 01:14:19,340
That's the call for the vote.

900
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,180
Mayor Pro Tim Dullito has made a motion.

901
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,480
Councilmember Gillen Amherst, seconded it to approve this item.

902
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,460
Motion is approved unanimously.

903
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:41,500
I have 3.5 is agreements with the California Department of Health Care Services.

904
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:49,380
and Cal Optima for a one-time inter-governmental transfer of fiscal year, 2627, Calts

905
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:50,040
Mayor Bartos.

906
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:55,090
I am 3.5.

907
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,700
I just want to get there. I just have, I'm not sure who would take this, but I just wanted some clarification

908
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:17,320
because there are three different organizations listed in here. There's Siemens, there's the, I'm sorry,

909
01:15:17,460 --> 01:15:26,740
I didn't remember my laptop, so I don't have everything with me. So there's GenTech, there's Siemens,

910
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:29,740
And then I think there's a third one, I'm almost sure there's a third one.

911
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:37,760
So 3.5 is Caloptima, which are the agreements with the Department of Health Care Services.

912
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:39,340
Yep.

913
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:41,100
Stuff he had called.

914
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:48,120
The reason I wanted to ask about this one is because of the way, not only do we get reimburse

915
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:54,020
for funds on this, but the reimbursement was actually better in terms of what we could get back

916
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:56,980
once we went out and we went after this funds.

917
01:15:57,740 --> 01:16:04,280
So with that in future, be an argument towards expanding the AO program,

918
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:09,620
to increase our ability to go get more of those calls for future reimbursements.

919
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:11,400
Am I making, I hope I'm making sense.

920
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,200
I believe you are, if I'm answering this correctly, answer that as yes.

921
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:23,320
Because it's based off of simply put, these are our monies that are reimbursed,

922
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:35,720
federal money that's reimbursed that we obtained to offset unrecovered medical ambulance service

923
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:41,960
cost. So simply put I could give you an overview of actually what exactly this program is

924
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,780
and it might explain it a little bit better. I think the staff report did that well. I was just

925
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:52,380
trying to get out that there seemed to be a significant return on investment. There is the reason being

926
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:57,120
is because half of the monies that are supposed to be reimbursed are done by the state

927
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:02,200
and the other half is federal, but in order to access the federal funds, that we yet

928
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,960
we have to front the money and then it comes back, because that makes sense.

929
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:06,320
Yes.

930
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,180
The state doesn't front the money for us, so we have to do it ourselves.

931
01:17:09,340 --> 01:17:11,340
Okay, that was all I wanted to clarify.

932
01:17:11,540 --> 01:17:12,460
Thank you very much.

933
01:17:13,300 --> 01:17:17,820
There's a motion from Calcimary Dimitra, a segment from Calcimary Good Terrace to approve

934
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:26,300
this item. Thank you chief for accessing federal funding for orange. Thank you. Any other further

935
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:30,540
discussion on this item? Questions I'll call for the vote.

936
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:40,210
If that's approved unanimously,

937
01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:50,790
next is item 3.8, which is First Amendment to agreement with Siemens Industry Incorporated

938
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:56,950
for a maintenance of surveillance cameras, hardware, infrastructure, and licensing, supporting the

939
01:17:56,950 --> 01:18:02,310
cities, existing genotech, security, platform, Councilmember, barrios.

940
01:18:04,190 --> 01:18:05,930
So I think you already heard the prairie to that.

941
01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:09,650
So it was just confusing where we were going with this.

942
01:18:09,670 --> 01:18:12,890
There were three different companies involved, but it sounds like you're in the middle of the

943
01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:13,050
chairman.

944
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:14,790
Correct.

945
01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:20,110
We are in the middle of developing an RFP, but our existing contract with Siemens will expire

946
01:18:20,110 --> 01:18:26,390
in September and we don't anticipate we will be prepared with the results from the RFP and contract negotiation.

947
01:18:27,310 --> 01:18:31,810
So it's essentially a bridge contract to get us through the RFP process with Siemens.

948
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:32,530
Okay.

949
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:35,330
We probably will be over-complicated the staff report with the background.

950
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:36,710
Yeah, there was a lot.

951
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:44,510
So, and then just within terms of the infrastructure and what we're managing with the Gentech Security Program platform.

952
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:52,410
Yeah, so it's all of the city's closer to TV cameras, so in parks and on this campus and the library and the police department

953
01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:59,650
It's all controlled internally here. It doesn't ever leave the property as well as all the access control doors and readers

954
01:18:59,650 --> 01:19:01,470
So it's all of that.

955
01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:06,990
Right, okay, so that was what I was trying to get out to thank you very much

956
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:15,130
Okay, we have a motion from Councilmember Gill and Hammer, a second from Councilmember Gutierrez to approve this item, any further discussion?

957
01:19:16,230 --> 01:19:16,810
Please vote.

958
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,060
That is approved unanimously.

959
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:36,200
There's one more item 310, which is, it's that.

960
01:19:40,230 --> 01:19:46,950
310 is an award of contract to ultimate maintenance services, a corporate for custodial services for city facilities.

961
01:19:47,550 --> 01:19:55,740
We had a public speaker, is that Mr. Peterson, Mr. Peterson, you're up. You do have three minutes.

962
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,140
Good evening, again. This will be quick.

963
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:08,540
I'm a big fan of the added services that this program would bring for the part-time quarter

964
01:20:08,540 --> 01:20:18,360
at the garage and the frequency increase at the public library. I'm even a bigger fan of fiscal responsibility.

965
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:27,280
What I'm not a fan of is the over $224,000, this is going to cost with 204,000 coming from the general fund,

966
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,880
another 19 plus coming from the water fund.

967
01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:39,660
I'm even less of a fan of the same while the general fund appropriation increases the expenditure

968
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:41,720
budget for custodial services.

969
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:47,840
The city is currently experiencing salary and benefits savings associated with vacant positions

970
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,520
that are projected to offset.

971
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:56,240
Okay, you guys have been doing all the heavy lifting, I say this all the time, saving money.

972
01:20:57,180 --> 01:21:01,340
And now we're going to take money that you guys worked, your bucks off to save and we're

973
01:21:01,340 --> 01:21:03,540
going to spend it.

974
01:21:03,740 --> 01:21:09,140
I'll bet in 30 minutes, any one of us could sit with that budget and shave off a little bit

975
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:14,400
here, a little bit there, frequencies of services and shave off with this added service

976
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,620
and cost of doing business increase is going to take.

977
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:26,620
As a city, we need to be demanding that every department land their numbers, playing

978
01:21:26,620 --> 01:21:27,180
in simple.

979
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:33,340
We don't save just so we can spend it, someone else's money somewhere else.

980
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,200
Either we're in this to save money and get through it or all we're doing is shuffling the

981
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,120
cards and spending money over and over and over again.

982
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:44,820
Thank you.

983
01:21:44,820 --> 01:21:46,920
Thank you, Mr. Petersen.

984
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,700
We'll bring it back to the Council, Council Mayor Bars.

985
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:56,100
This was the one that I had missed, and I was glad to see that there was additional services

986
01:21:56,100 --> 01:22:03,280
put in for the parking structure, because that has been a source of major concern for residents

987
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,740
and different businesses who are now directing people to park over there.

988
01:22:07,580 --> 01:22:12,500
It called out specifically the parking revenue that we're already getting from what's

989
01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:18,400
happening in Old Town is not for all of those expenses of that part of the adding on that

990
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:19,000
particular,

991
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:24,730
because that is that the parking garage has been such a huge problem.

992
01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:30,870
So, Mayor members of the council, the parking revenue portion will be specifically to pay

993
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:33,630
for the parking structure portion of the contract.

994
01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:35,710
So that's not coming out.

995
01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:38,050
It just was included that it was all coming out of there.

996
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:38,950
Okay.

997
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:42,110
That was my specific question.

998
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:45,590
How's it been, we're going to go in there.

999
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:49,280
Chris, let's go with questions.

1000
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:57,520
I saw each section in the standards that we're going to hold them to, who on our team confirms

1001
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,380
that they're executing those standards, I guess, first question.

1002
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:05,840
So I'm going to turn it over to our field services manager, Matt Lorenzant, who is that person

1003
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,760
who will be checking that and so on.

1004
01:23:08,220 --> 01:23:13,180
In addition to myself, we have a lead custodian that oversees the work that's performed

1005
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:19,380
by the contractor. They have a daily checklist that they review and in addition to that,

1006
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:25,280
we have a monthly meeting with our vendor and we address certain discrepancies that we see.

1007
01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:32,020
I see in each section there's our allocation for day-porters for various roles. What's the total

1008
01:23:32,020 --> 01:23:37,020
hours that we're going to be paying for? Do you have that? And then how does that can pay to our existing

1009
01:23:37,020 --> 01:23:41,660
as a competitor existing service contract in terms of dollars per hour? The day-porters you

1010
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:47,260
refering to the day board at the parking structure or total contract. Okay so there's two that are proposed

1011
01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:52,360
the ones at PD currently working eight hours a day Monday through Friday and then the one at the

1012
01:23:52,360 --> 01:24:00,200
parking structure is part time for hours a day five to seven days a week. If we're to back up and look at

1013
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:05,080
the total hours we're paying for in this custodial contract I'm not sure if you have that information

1014
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:11,500
but what is the total hours of service we're getting across the city? What is the dollars per hour

1015
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:14,000
paying, and how does that compare to the existing country?

1016
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,980
So I'm going to jump in on this one.

1017
01:24:17,060 --> 01:24:18,420
So this is a service contract.

1018
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,660
And the way that the contractor proposes is a lump sum cost

1019
01:24:22,660 --> 01:24:26,460
with the exception of the day-porters and with the exception of what

1020
01:24:26,460 --> 01:24:28,800
I'll call the two allocard items that we have.

1021
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,240
So the day-porters provides an ancillary or additional layer

1022
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,800
of coverage to the staff that then comes in and performs.

1023
01:24:37,180 --> 01:24:39,580
I'll call it the regular routine practices.

1024
01:24:39,580 --> 01:24:45,640
It's not necessarily, it's based on completeness or task, but it's not based on an hourly

1025
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:54,200
De-markation of those tasks to the contractor. It's like a piece of work contract. Right. It is not that type of contract

1026
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:59,840
Got it. How does that compare to our previous contract? So it's a 17%

1027
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:12,040
The last time we bid it out in 2021. Okay. And then what is the percentage increase in workload or task to this contract from the previous one?

1028
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:26,960
So it is exactly the same scope of work as we have now, which is actually a reduced scope of work that we undertook as part of the budget reductions over the last few years. The only additional scope is the parking structure and the additional vacuuming of the library.

1029
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:33,580
Okay, my last question is, the previous contract we had, when did that start, how many

1030
01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:37,880
years did it go for and did it have an escalation clause in it?

1031
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:43,620
Yeah, it started in 2021 and it was good for the first three years with no increase and in

1032
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:50,400
the subsequent years to that, the following two years, had a cap of 2% CPI and this one follows

1033
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,020
a very similar model to that.

1034
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:54,540
Got it.

1035
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,680
Thank you.

1036
01:25:57,150 --> 01:26:03,170
How's it going to make you sure real quick question? A couple quick questions actually. So other than

1037
01:26:03,170 --> 01:26:11,270
anecdotal information, is there hard data on actual need for the parking structure for cleaning? Is there

1038
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:17,090
reports or anything that shows that this is that it's a justifiable expenditure at this point?

1039
01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:27,130
Yes, as part of our agreement with MetroLink, we're required to provide daily inspections and that's

1040
01:26:27,130 --> 01:26:31,570
and even to share with you at the moment in terms of that the hard data that you're looking for.

1041
01:26:31,930 --> 01:26:39,150
Okay, but it is documented, ladies, ladies, trash here or there's this there or just trash,

1042
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:44,590
public urination, a lot of the issues in the stairwells that was something that

1043
01:26:45,250 --> 01:26:50,590
and passed the day ported. Sure. Sure. And since you hit on it, which was my next question,

1044
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:54,910
this was a joint venture parking structure with OCT and MetroLink.

1045
01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:58,890
So anything in the contract anywhere that says we can

1046
01:26:58,890 --> 01:27:02,010
recoup any of that costs on cleaning or maintenance?

1047
01:27:02,190 --> 01:27:02,670
No.

1048
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:05,790
They provided funding to build it.

1049
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:10,210
And part of the agreement is, is that we operate it and maintain it.

1050
01:27:10,450 --> 01:27:10,770
All right.

1051
01:27:11,210 --> 01:27:14,250
Final question is, what's the lifespan on the parking structure?

1052
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:15,930
It's 50 years.

1053
01:27:16,670 --> 01:27:16,890
OK.

1054
01:27:17,130 --> 01:27:18,710
And what were in 10 years into it?

1055
01:27:18,710 --> 01:27:21,950
at 2019 is when we took the keys to it, essentially.

1056
01:27:22,290 --> 01:27:23,890
All right, thank you, but that's it.

1057
01:27:26,370 --> 01:27:29,630
So I should comment, the only thing that I saw,

1058
01:27:29,970 --> 01:27:33,330
we were increasing in this contract versus last year was,

1059
01:27:33,370 --> 01:27:35,370
number one, adding the parking structure,

1060
01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:37,530
which I'm very happy about,

1061
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:41,390
retirees to stairwells, they're not where they should be.

1062
01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:45,190
And with all the extra parking now going over there,

1063
01:27:45,190 --> 01:27:47,290
I think that it's important to keep it clean

1064
01:27:47,290 --> 01:27:52,410
and a class being paid strictly from parking revenue downtown that makes sense.

1065
01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:59,210
Also, very happy that we're going from monthly vacuuming of the main library to weekly,

1066
01:28:00,230 --> 01:28:04,930
which still doesn't seem adequate, but it's the right thing to do,

1067
01:28:05,390 --> 01:28:08,030
versus monthly, clearly, that's a heavily-used library.

1068
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:14,350
You know, all of us have had to, you know, step up in these tough budget times.

1069
01:28:14,350 --> 01:28:19,850
Every time I walk to my office in City Hall with people behind me, I notice the big dead

1070
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:26,370
Cockroach on the floor leading into my office and every time I walk by, I think, why haven't I picked that up yet?

1071
01:28:27,210 --> 01:28:31,410
Tonight before I go home, I'm going to be sure to do that. So

1072
01:28:31,410 --> 01:28:35,330
Is there any further questions or discussion on this item?

1073
01:28:37,330 --> 01:28:38,150
Out of customer bonus.

1074
01:28:38,770 --> 01:28:45,330
Any question for the city manager for, we just heard it mentioned that this is 17% increase

1075
01:28:45,330 --> 01:28:50,790
since the last time we went out for this. Obviously we're adding services, so that's one part

1076
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:57,410
of it. But for the last at least year, maybe almost year and a half, there are signs all over

1077
01:28:57,410 --> 01:29:04,050
city hall and everywhere else that employees were asked to maintain the areas and the environment

1078
01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:08,870
that we don't share necessarily with the public in order to keep our costs down and to

1079
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:13,650
be mindful of costs. Is that going to change? Is this becoming like a new full service

1080
01:29:13,650 --> 01:29:16,150
contract and we're changing that particular element?

1081
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:24,650
Nothing changes on City Hall's campus. Employees and part of picking up cockroaches. I've

1082
01:29:24,650 --> 01:29:29,850
spiders in my office and termites last week that we are responsible for clean but no nothing

1083
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:37,850
So it's just a 17% increase. It's just the cost of doing business generally. Thank you.

1084
01:29:39,730 --> 01:29:44,990
All right, this motion from Calcimer to major to prove this. I have seconded it. Is there any further discussion?

1085
01:29:47,150 --> 01:29:48,070
All right, please vote.

1086
01:29:55,260 --> 01:29:59,120
Prove unanimously. That is the consent calendar.

1087
01:30:00,110 --> 01:30:08,110
This, uh, that I assume there were no remote speakers? No mayor. We had to not have any remote speakers. Thank you.

1088
01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:12,140
For reports of Mayor Slater, I have nothing to see me.

1089
01:30:12,970 --> 01:30:15,410
For some council members. Any council members?

1090
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:17,430
Yep, council very good to hear us.

1091
01:30:20,540 --> 01:30:21,440
Thank you, Mayor.

1092
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:32,680
This past weekend, myself and council member Barrios, with the fire chief and four of our,

1093
01:30:34,220 --> 01:30:42,100
firefighters were able to visit our sister city, our fire sister city, in the city of Gerett

1094
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:51,040
Darrell, and which I found out that Councilmember Dmitry and Billidoo are ahead of the foundation

1095
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,100
for the sister city that I would love for you to speak more on that too.

1096
01:30:54,100 --> 01:31:02,860
So, we were invited out by our fighter fighters, and I am so happy that I was able to attend,

1097
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:07,940
and as I am a certain customer of ours is, what is, and what is as well.

1098
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:13,660
We were able to be there on Saturday when it was national day of firefighter day,

1099
01:31:13,780 --> 01:31:19,500
throughout the whole country, and that's when they hold a ceremony to acknowledge all of the

1100
01:31:19,500 --> 01:31:25,420
firefighters but also to introduce their new graduates and so that was just fantastic

1101
01:31:25,420 --> 01:31:30,760
ceremony to participate as well as firefighter get at that open battles have been

1102
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:37,020
in existence for 77 years and they had a generation one firefighter sitting in the stadium

1103
01:31:37,020 --> 01:31:40,100
was 96 years old so it was fantastic be there.

1104
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:48,140
In that presentation they created this video that I wanted to share with you all because

1105
01:31:48,140 --> 01:31:52,260
I cannot tell you how grateful they are

1106
01:31:52,260 --> 01:31:55,340
that the City of Orange is their sister city.

1107
01:31:55,860 --> 01:31:59,580
It was just impressive to see how harsh trash

1108
01:31:59,580 --> 01:32:01,040
they have turned into a treasure.

1109
01:32:02,060 --> 01:32:05,460
They have taken our trucks that suppose things

1110
01:32:05,460 --> 01:32:07,580
maybe weren't working and they've stripped out

1111
01:32:07,580 --> 01:32:12,080
what needs to be digital and they've created great trucks

1112
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,480
that now continue running.

1113
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,080
They use the turnout clothes.

1114
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,460
You can see some of our firefighters and names

1115
01:32:17,460 --> 01:32:24,200
on their turnout close to, they currently use to fight fires with, and they use our

1116
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,800
artillery and use ours, and things of that nature. So they're so appreciative and they

1117
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:32,260
want to continue obviously fostering that nation. But I wanted to share this short video

1118
01:32:32,260 --> 01:32:37,520
that they showed at the ceremony because I think you're going to find it quite touching as

1119
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:13,140
well as

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01:33:13,140 --> 01:33:21,360
of the state in 1949, both male status first group officially began their service, with the

1121
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:25,960
support of the committee at the government by a kind of corner of the General Capitol

1122
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:31,220
as I was became home to the Central Florida station, a symbol of safety and government

1123
01:33:31,220 --> 01:33:37,660
of the college of the first college. In 1972, we cross borders, our sensitive department

1124
01:33:37,660 --> 01:33:43,840
partnership with an orange partner who was formally set and international allies that

1125
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,040
has now endured for more than half a century.

1126
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:52,120
A sustained group, so that they need to be good.

1127
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:57,160
That is how the six fighter station in Africa, Canada, France, came to me.

1128
01:34:07,620 --> 01:34:10,140
We created our training history.

1129
01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:14,900
We've been in five fighters for a decade now, and across Mexico, according to the international

1130
01:34:14,900 --> 01:34:24,370
But fire can kind of hope out of death and death, and that's the legacy of those who refuse to set back.

1131
01:34:25,250 --> 01:34:34,370
What began with a group of great citizens based in danger, with more courage than resources has become an unstoppable force.

1132
01:34:34,670 --> 01:34:40,890
Today, the institution to learn from the actions is recognized nationally and internationally,

1133
01:34:40,890 --> 01:34:46,950
a living settlement on how to people, how will that, and how excellence is achieved.

1134
01:34:47,610 --> 01:34:49,350
We will serve as one through all things.

1135
01:34:50,150 --> 01:34:53,790
More and more creative, seven, seven years of living experience.

1136
01:35:10,740 --> 01:35:17,480
So, I was very touched and, you know, they are so appreciative of our firefighters going out there,

1137
01:35:17,580 --> 01:35:23,120
yearly to train them, and they are so proud of that they are using techniques that we hear

1138
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:29,120
the city of Orange have taught them, and they are really feeling that they are coming elevating their level of service

1139
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:34,900
because of the training and the sisterhood that they have with our city. So I was very appreciative and touched

1140
01:35:34,900 --> 01:35:40,300
have been there and so grateful to those who started that back in 1973.

1141
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,560
Thank you, Councillor Mayer, for that wonderful presentation.

1142
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:53,400
I got to go to Katharau as a council member representative in the 90s, I think at that

1143
01:35:53,400 --> 01:36:00,560
time there was only one fire station and anyway, yes, a beautiful city and they truly

1144
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:13,700
I do appreciate the city of orange and and I'm going down fire equipment that we've given them that they've taken very good care of and happy that they're able to use it.

1145
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,420
So thank you for that presentation.

1146
01:36:19,140 --> 01:36:20,820
Any other council members?

1147
01:36:24,450 --> 01:36:24,490
Yes.

1148
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:32,590
I'll touch upon something just because Councilwoman Gutier is made a point of the orange sister city organization.

1149
01:36:32,590 --> 01:36:38,750
It is a formal organization. It's actually a California corporation. It doesn't rely upon any city funding.

1150
01:36:39,610 --> 01:36:41,370
And we actually have several sister cities.

1151
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:46,030
We have Orange, New South Wales, Australia.

1152
01:36:46,990 --> 01:36:49,910
And I've been able to visit that a couple of times actually.

1153
01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:55,450
And we received several guests from there, myself and Mr. Dmitru here at the city.

1154
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:57,930
We have Orange, France.

1155
01:36:58,910 --> 01:37:00,770
We have Kia-thro, of course.

1156
01:37:01,790 --> 01:37:09,430
We have a Timoroon, New Zealand, but I haven't had contact with them formally yet, and the most

1157
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:16,810
interesting one is Novo Casino Moscow, which is a district of Moscow, and I guess we're

1158
01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:17,370
a variety of reasons.

1159
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:25,330
We haven't had any contact with them recently, but the purpose of the sister city organization

1160
01:37:25,330 --> 01:37:32,150
initially when it was formed, it was a lot of a student exchanges, families would host

1161
01:37:32,150 --> 01:37:36,210
high school students and their homes from all these different countries.

1162
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:37,830
That's a little tougher nowadays.

1163
01:37:40,410 --> 01:37:48,870
So we're now focusing the efforts more on more economic development and also providing

1164
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:54,670
funding to our fire department to help them with these training programs that they do

1165
01:37:54,670 --> 01:37:56,170
with that key or throw.

1166
01:37:56,930 --> 01:37:57,710
And that's all.

1167
01:37:57,730 --> 01:37:58,790
Thank you, Mayor of Pro Tem.

1168
01:38:00,170 --> 01:38:01,190
I'm going to go outside to meet you.

1169
01:38:01,810 --> 01:38:03,190
Got such a lot of real quick, too.

1170
01:38:04,410 --> 01:38:05,390
So I'm glad you went.

1171
01:38:05,770 --> 01:38:06,510
It's a wonderful place.

1172
01:38:06,630 --> 01:38:07,630
I've been down there twice now.

1173
01:38:10,210 --> 01:38:11,350
I'll have you.

1174
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:13,900
Oh, yeah.

1175
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:17,060
So what's really interesting is earlier,

1176
01:38:17,220 --> 01:38:19,500
we had that discussion on the flock cameras.

1177
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,180
And one of the really phenomenal things

1178
01:38:23,180 --> 01:38:28,720
have established there is they have this fusion center for lack of a better phrase if you

1179
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:35,880
got to take a tour of it where they're the safest state in the country of Mexico because

1180
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:43,480
of their integrated policing in the way they use technology, use those different tools in order

1181
01:38:44,380 --> 01:38:50,140
to solve crimes quickly as well as a number of other things. But what I was most impressed with

1182
01:38:50,140 --> 01:38:54,520
Every time I've been down there is really the resourcefulness

1183
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,360
of the members of the fire department,

1184
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:00,880
especially a mechanic.

1185
01:39:01,380 --> 01:39:03,180
I was really just taken back.

1186
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,460
There was one guy basically working in a yard,

1187
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:07,540
fixing everything.

1188
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,220
And it was really impressive to see

1189
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:16,200
for those of us that were 80s kids, you'll understand this.

1190
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:17,960
How he would just m'giver everything.

1191
01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:24,720
You know, you give him a paper clip, a banana peel and some screwdriver, and he had a fire engine running.

1192
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,440
And while I was there, I was fortunate.

1193
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:34,060
We were all gathered for one of the nights for dinner.

1194
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,800
And they actually had a swift water rescue incident that was occurring.

1195
01:39:37,820 --> 01:39:39,160
It was alive on their television.

1196
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:44,580
And all of us were looking at the same thing, watching one of our old trucks there.

1197
01:39:44,580 --> 01:39:51,640
and then the aerial beam in a negative position, which was like, what are they doing?

1198
01:39:51,860 --> 01:39:57,340
But it was successful and took a great deal of pride of recognizing almost everyone of the

1199
01:39:57,340 --> 01:39:59,980
firefighters that were out there scooping people out of this little...

1200
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,060
River, knowing that our guys were the ones that had just trained them on exactly that duty earlier

1201
01:40:07,060 --> 01:40:13,160
that day. So it was really some special to see. And then to see the pride on our fire department

1202
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:19,060
members that they had a hand in through their experience, through their teaching of saving lives

1203
01:40:19,060 --> 01:40:23,940
in another country. And I think that's one of the most important things. I've also oddly enough

1204
01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:29,700
been to Iran's France by accident, got on the wrong train and landed there and then realized

1205
01:40:30,410 --> 01:40:36,660
this is a sister city and they actually a really cool item is they actually have still

1206
01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:39,920
have a Roman Colosseum that's intact there.

1207
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:46,140
That was built in those days and it is phenomenal place to go tour and for a vacation.

1208
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:47,980
So thank you.

1209
01:40:51,190 --> 01:40:54,370
Yes, I was forgetting and I, how can I forget?

1210
01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:59,850
I would like to invite the community to our ground, breaking ceremony this Thursday at Grahal

1211
01:40:59,850 --> 01:41:07,670
the Park for our, our so-needed skate parks. So, I hope you can all be there. It's at 530 pm.

1212
01:41:07,670 --> 01:41:15,250
If I'm not mistaken. Yes, it's Thursday. I thought it was 530.

1213
01:41:15,770 --> 01:41:18,270
I'm going to check that because maybe I'm saying that one time.

1214
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:20,910
But it is Thursday, is it for today?

1215
01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:22,950
Okay, well degrees, I'm better show up at the right time.

1216
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:25,230
For 30, sorry.

1217
01:41:26,010 --> 01:41:27,370
So I just want to invite the community.

1218
01:41:27,650 --> 01:41:32,370
I think it's well overdue, so I am excited.

1219
01:41:33,210 --> 01:41:36,590
I hope to see the contenders out there and the skating community

1220
01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:39,170
and my council member colleagues as well.

1221
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:41,310
So I just want to make sure I invite everybody.

1222
01:41:42,850 --> 01:41:45,570
Just clarification for a clock.

1223
01:41:45,770 --> 01:41:46,770
Now it's a four clock.

1224
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:48,070
Four clock.

1225
01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:49,550
Oh, gosh.

1226
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:50,670
I don't know how to have this.

1227
01:41:50,730 --> 01:41:51,390
I have to rush.

1228
01:41:51,690 --> 01:41:51,770
All right.

1229
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:53,690
Thank you.

1230
01:41:54,130 --> 01:41:54,470
All right.

1231
01:41:55,150 --> 01:41:56,310
Anyone else?

1232
01:41:57,890 --> 01:42:01,270
City Clerk, it could ask me to make a couple of quick announcements.

1233
01:42:01,930 --> 01:42:05,570
We have some board's permissions and committees with vacancies currently on them.

1234
01:42:06,090 --> 01:42:08,430
We have one on the audit advisory committee.

1235
01:42:08,430 --> 01:42:15,790
committee, we have one vacancy on the CDBG committee, is that going to be the case still, okay?

1236
01:42:17,010 --> 01:42:22,290
Two vacancies on the design review committee, two vacancies on the investment advisory committee,

1237
01:42:22,750 --> 01:42:28,070
which has been the toughest to fill, but I hear that we have some applications coming in,

1238
01:42:28,330 --> 01:42:32,370
and one vacancy on the part plane and community events commission.

1239
01:42:33,610 --> 01:42:36,830
Any other council reports?

1240
01:42:37,150 --> 01:42:37,730
All right.

1241
01:42:37,970 --> 01:42:38,370
Moving on.

1242
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:43,030
Any A.B. 1, 2, 3, 4 reports from council members.

1243
01:42:45,150 --> 01:42:45,990
Seeing none.

1244
01:42:46,430 --> 01:42:48,850
Sports from boards, committees, and commissions.

1245
01:42:50,350 --> 01:42:53,310
A point much of the community development block grant program committee.

1246
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:58,890
If any members of the public group participate through Zoom, wish to address the council, please raise your hand.

1247
01:42:59,090 --> 01:43:02,010
If you're calling any of these press star nine to raise your hand,

1248
01:43:02,010 --> 01:43:06,470
we will hear in person speakers first, move on to most speakers if you're a

1249
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:09,690
participant in the public and city clerk. We'll announce when your three

1250
01:43:09,690 --> 01:43:11,970
minutes are up and then you will be muted.

1251
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:18,010
So basically the this evening, James

1252
01:43:18,010 --> 01:43:22,270
Kushan, who's council member, Rios is represented on the Arts Commission,

1253
01:43:22,890 --> 01:43:30,150
is asked to move over to the CDBG committee. And as also as her representative,

1254
01:43:30,150 --> 01:43:35,610
of James Kushanai, apparently you would like to say a few words?

1255
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:51,350
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor,

1256
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:54,390
Protem members of Council, cities first responders

1257
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:57,750
and my fellow citizens would like to thank you

1258
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:59,610
for the time to speak tonight.

1259
01:44:00,930 --> 01:44:05,230
When it came time to make my next move in my personal life,

1260
01:44:05,230 --> 01:44:08,470
my professional life, and we made a decision

1261
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:13,250
to start the new foundation to serve the city in a new way.

1262
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:15,890
It became apparent that there were going to be a lot of conflicts

1263
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:19,410
of interest with my service to the city on the Parks Commission.

1264
01:44:19,610 --> 01:44:21,670
And when I spoke with Council Member Barrio,

1265
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:26,250
she made the recommendation to join the Community Development

1266
01:44:26,250 --> 01:44:27,610
Block Grant Committee.

1267
01:44:29,230 --> 01:44:34,650
And when I looked into it, I thought that it was a perfect match

1268
01:44:34,650 --> 01:44:43,730
me have been grown up in a economically depressed household. I understand the idea of what it's

1269
01:44:43,730 --> 01:44:53,950
like to deal with the challenges of economics and dealing with low-income situations.

1270
01:44:54,490 --> 01:44:59,970
So I look forward to using my real life experience should the council decide to confirm me.

1271
01:45:00,140 --> 01:45:15,560
To continue to serve the residents of Orange and that capacity as well as with my new professional endeavor. So I will leave it to the discretion of council. And I thank you for the time in. I thank you for the privilege to serve on the part planning committee. Thank you.

1272
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:16,540
Thank you, James.

1273
01:45:17,260 --> 01:45:23,220
Motion from Council Member Bios, second from Council Member Gill and Hammer, any other discussion?

1274
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:26,020
Please vote.

1275
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:34,360
Provenously.

1276
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,880
Thank you for your service on a parse commission, Mr. Cushion.

1277
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,080
Welcome to the CDBG committee.

1278
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:45,710
Okay.

1279
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:47,210
Report from City Manager.

1280
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:49,610
Nothing to report.

1281
01:45:49,790 --> 01:45:50,910
I'm glad it's not my birthday.

1282
01:45:54,980 --> 01:45:56,060
Way to time till then.

1283
01:45:56,060 --> 01:46:02,820
All right, moving on, administrative reports, 9.1, we're going to be related to the restoration

1284
01:46:02,820 --> 01:46:09,680
and future reconvenced to the city of approximately 67.7 acre former, Sully Miller property

1285
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:15,520
is 6145, East San Diego Canyon Road, Repermanent Public Open Space.

1286
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:20,780
Can we any members of the public or participate through Zoom, wish to address the Council,

1287
01:46:20,940 --> 01:46:25,360
please raise your hand if you were calling in, please press star 9 through Raise your hand.

1288
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:29,200
We'll hear in-person speakers first and then move on, speakers,

1289
01:46:33,250 --> 01:46:34,750
if you are participating remotely

1290
01:46:34,750 --> 01:46:39,830
the City Clerk will announce when your three minutes are up and then you will be muted.

1291
01:46:43,690 --> 01:46:46,050
I just see the manager is there.

1292
01:46:46,490 --> 01:46:48,250
I have a staff report if you'd like one.

1293
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:50,230
If not, I think we should have one.

1294
01:46:50,590 --> 01:46:56,810
Thank you very much for the very thorough staff report already, but please, please.

1295
01:46:56,810 --> 01:46:57,930
to you.

1296
01:46:58,490 --> 01:46:59,650
No, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1297
01:47:00,150 --> 01:47:00,830
Members of the Council.

1298
01:47:01,170 --> 01:47:06,090
Tonight represents an important step in what has been a very long story of the

1299
01:47:06,090 --> 01:47:06,910
Sully Miller property.

1300
01:47:07,530 --> 01:47:11,510
For decades, this property has been subject to development proposals, commutative

1301
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:13,530
rate, referenda, and litigation.

1302
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:18,570
Tonight, we have an opportunity to begin writing a very different ending, one centered

1303
01:47:18,570 --> 01:47:24,070
on restoration, preservation, and ultimately public permanent open space.

1304
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:32,530
I want to briefly walk through what the agreement's accomplish, how the process would work and importantly what they do not approve tonight.

1305
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:34,030
Jack, next slide, please.

1306
01:47:35,290 --> 01:47:37,010
So there are two agreements before the city council.

1307
01:47:37,610 --> 01:47:45,130
The first establishes the pathway under which approximately 67 acres could ultimately be conveyed to the city.

1308
01:47:45,130 --> 01:47:55,310
The second establishes environmental responsibilities and demunification, insurance, and other protections associated with the future conveyance.

1309
01:47:55,990 --> 01:48:00,570
The most important part is that the city is not taking ownership of the property tonight.

1310
01:48:01,250 --> 01:48:10,430
The city council is also not improving an indefo, a grading plan, a reclamation plan, an operating plan, or future regulatory permit.

1311
01:48:10,430 --> 01:48:16,590
Tonight, nearly establishes the contractual pathway that allows the process to move forward

1312
01:48:16,590 --> 01:48:22,070
while preserving the regulatory and environmental view processes that remain ahead.

1313
01:48:24,090 --> 01:48:26,810
So this slide puts tonight in context.

1314
01:48:27,670 --> 01:48:32,630
Mining in aggregate operations have occurred from much of the last century, since then the

1315
01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:37,190
property has been subject to several significant residential development proposals.

1316
01:48:37,190 --> 01:48:40,190
fieldstone proposed 189 homes.

1317
01:48:40,490 --> 01:48:43,430
Rio Santiago proposed 395 units.

1318
01:48:44,190 --> 01:48:47,530
The trails project proposed 128 units.

1319
01:48:48,150 --> 01:48:50,560
Each generated substantial community discussion,

1320
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:53,770
and in some cases referenda and litigation.

1321
01:48:54,750 --> 01:48:57,550
In 2025, the city negotiated a framework

1322
01:48:57,550 --> 01:49:00,490
that created a fundamentally different possibility.

1323
01:49:01,290 --> 01:49:03,790
Instead of continuing the decades long debate

1324
01:49:03,790 --> 01:49:05,410
over development of this property,

1325
01:49:05,410 --> 01:49:12,030
We now have an opportunity to move forward with the restoration, preservation, and ultimately public ownership.

1326
01:49:15,090 --> 01:49:17,150
And Sully Miller doesn't stand alone.

1327
01:49:17,570 --> 01:49:22,310
We have approximately 14 acres associated with the Chandler Hurwitz property.

1328
01:49:23,070 --> 01:49:29,490
Approximately 30 acres that we acquired through Milan in a dedicated earlier this year,

1329
01:49:30,010 --> 01:49:34,010
and then after this potentially another 67 acres through this transaction.

1330
01:49:34,010 --> 01:49:43,710
taken together that represents approximately 112 acres of public open space preservation along the Santiago Creek corridor.

1331
01:49:44,350 --> 01:49:45,810
That is significant.

1332
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:57,230
It represents an opportunity to preserve a substantial amount of land and build upon the open space vision that the community has pursued for decades.

1333
01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:59,710
So there's a clear path forward.

1334
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,020
We get there. First, landify would seek to acquire the property from Milan. The appropriate regulatory

1335
01:50:07,020 --> 01:50:12,380
agencies would continue their work and establish the requirements that apply to the site.

1336
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:18,880
Landify would then undertake the indefo grading and site preparation. Only after the contractual

1337
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:25,380
closing conditions have been satisfied with the property be conveyed to the city. This is expected

1338
01:50:25,380 --> 01:50:27,040
to be a multi-year process.

1339
01:50:27,540 --> 01:50:29,620
Tonight doesn't complete the process.

1340
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,860
It just creates the pathway that allows us to begin.

1341
01:50:34,930 --> 01:50:36,770
The regulatory process is important,

1342
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:38,550
and it continues independently

1343
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:41,130
from the agreements before Council tonight.

1344
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:43,650
I want to briefly note that since the preparation

1345
01:50:43,650 --> 01:50:46,010
of the staff report, we have received correspondence

1346
01:50:46,010 --> 01:50:48,030
from the LEA and the Water Board.

1347
01:50:48,730 --> 01:50:52,820
That correspondence was received after the report was

1348
01:50:52,820 --> 01:50:56,460
finalized and after the report had gone out to print.

1349
01:50:57,060 --> 01:51:02,120
The correspondence provides additional information regarding the regulatory work that remains

1350
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,980
and will help inform the requirements of the site.

1351
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:10,480
Importantly, it does not change the nature of the action before city council tonight.

1352
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:17,600
Again, the council is not approving the indefo, the grading plan, a reclamation plan for future permits.

1353
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:22,720
those processes remain ahead and will continue through the appropriate agencies.

1354
01:51:23,460 --> 01:51:29,740
All of the applicable regulatory permitting environmental review requirements do remain in place.

1355
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:40,980
Because this is a complex multi-year process, city staff has spent considerable time making sure the transaction is structured to protect the city.

1356
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:46,640
The simplest way to think about it is landfiles the property while the work is being performed.

1357
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:53,580
Before the city takes ownership, I'll applicable environmental and geotechnical requirements must be addressed.

1358
01:51:54,140 --> 01:52:01,360
The required approvals must be obtained, grading completed and certified, and the contractual closing conditions must be satisfied.

1359
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:09,220
The agreements also provide for pollution, legal liability, insurance, and a phased reclamation security.

1360
01:52:09,940 --> 01:52:13,000
The work comes first and city ownership comes later.

1361
01:52:14,370 --> 01:52:18,310
I don't want to repeat all the protections, but I do want to emphasize a few.

1362
01:52:18,850 --> 01:52:22,710
The independent, again, the independent regulatory processes remain in place.

1363
01:52:23,330 --> 01:52:28,490
The city does not take ownership until the closing conditions are satisfied, and each

1364
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:31,490
grading phase is backed by the reclamation security.

1365
01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:37,550
So if the transaction is successfully completed, the property would then be conveyed to

1366
01:52:37,550 --> 01:52:40,670
the city for permanent public open space purposes.

1367
01:52:40,670 --> 01:52:48,450
taking together these provisions are intended to protect the city while providing a pathway to the permanent preservation.

1368
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:57,480
While the regulatory and restoration work proceeds, we have time to thoroughly consider the future of the property.

1369
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:00,360
I don't think city staff should do this alone.

1370
01:53:00,740 --> 01:53:08,560
We need to engage the surrounding neighborhoods, orange park acres, trail and equestrian users, environmental organizations.

1371
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:14,740
There are a number of possibilities to evaluate over time, including trails, equestrian uses

1372
01:53:14,740 --> 01:53:21,840
habitat restoration, environmental education, passive recreation, scenic resources, etc.

1373
01:53:22,700 --> 01:53:26,660
We will have the time to pursue the grants, the technical assistance, the partnerships,

1374
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:29,340
and the philanthropic resources.

1375
01:53:30,020 --> 01:53:33,360
So the goal isn't simply to acquire the 67 acres.

1376
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:37,360
it's to thoughtfully plan for and responsibly,

1377
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,520
responsibly, steward this land for future generations.

1378
01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:43,380
I'll close with where I started.

1379
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:45,600
Again, the Soling Miller property has been debated

1380
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,100
in this community for decades.

1381
01:53:47,820 --> 01:53:49,080
There have been development proposals,

1382
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:53,320
referenda, litigation, considerable uncertainty

1383
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:55,660
about what would ultimately happen here.

1384
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,120
Tonight does not complete that process.

1385
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,080
There is significant work ahead,

1386
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,200
but tonight gives us an opportunity to move forward

1387
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,080
in a fundamentally different direction.

1388
01:54:05,940 --> 01:54:08,840
Restoration, preservation, and public ownership.

1389
01:54:09,620 --> 01:54:12,360
And if successful, combined with the other efforts,

1390
01:54:13,900 --> 01:54:16,440
this would represent approximately 112 acres

1391
01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:19,520
of new public open space along Santiago Creek.

1392
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,240
That's an important step in a vision

1393
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:23,960
that has been decades in the making.

1394
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,320
With that, staff recommends approval

1395
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,580
of the agreements and more available for any questions

1396
01:54:28,580 --> 01:54:29,200
at UF.

1397
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:37,880
Thank you, City Manager. Any questions? We have to do us in public speakers.

1398
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:40,800
Any questions

1399
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,100
of before we go to public speakers?

1400
01:54:45,610 --> 01:54:49,310
All right. We'll begin with Reggie Mendecas, followed

1401
01:54:49,310 --> 01:54:50,950
by Laurel Maldonado.

1402
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:51,390
I

1403
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:59,970
support this, which is...

1404
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:10,380
It's been about 23 years in the making. It's a good use of a long-term problem property and gets it

1405
01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:18,240
to a point where everybody can enjoy it. So this is the beginning of a pathway to making this

1406
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:26,800
into a really wonderful restoration of a natural habitat. So strongly support this. Thank you.

1407
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:33,700
I think you're Reggie, there is a motion on the floor by Councilmember Gillen Hammer, whose district

1408
01:55:33,700 --> 01:55:35,600
this is in, I have seconded it.

1409
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:39,760
Next speaker is Laurel Maldonado followed by Drew Whiteford.

1410
01:55:46,820 --> 01:55:49,680
Good evening, Mayor and Council members.

1411
01:55:50,860 --> 01:55:54,700
The one thing that I should be talking about is Sequel, but someone else will talk about that.

1412
01:55:54,900 --> 01:55:55,900
So I'll set that aside.

1413
01:55:57,100 --> 01:56:01,740
And let's talk about why signing this agreement tonight might be a little premature that

1414
01:56:01,740 --> 01:56:05,260
its own terms, financially, legally, and procedurally.

1415
01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:06,900
Start with sequencing.

1416
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:09,680
The stipulated notice in order is still open.

1417
01:56:10,260 --> 01:56:12,220
Just six days ago, the regional waterboard

1418
01:56:12,220 --> 01:56:15,600
found arsenic contamination in four stockpiles

1419
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:17,900
that must be removed and gave Milan

1420
01:56:17,900 --> 01:56:20,140
until October to submit a work plan.

1421
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:22,220
The local and forced legency reviewed

1422
01:56:22,220 --> 01:56:24,420
land-of-ise-owned draft operating plan

1423
01:56:24,420 --> 01:56:27,720
and called it, in its words, not complete or correct.

1424
01:56:28,620 --> 01:56:30,680
There's an unresolved cease-intices proceeding

1425
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:35,560
on this property right now, stemming from stockpiles being moved without authorization earlier

1426
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:40,240
this year. None of that is completely resolved. We are being asked to sign to binding

1427
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:46,600
transfer agreement before regulatory foundation, it depends on even exists. Next, look

1428
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:52,120
at financial exposure. The pollution liability policy Milan is required to obtain caps at $3

1429
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:58,080
million per claim and in the aggregate. Given what we know now, our Senate across the stock

1430
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:04,300
in the subgrade down 51 feet, and abandoned well, we haven't even located, it's 3 million

1431
01:57:04,300 --> 01:57:09,480
actually enough to cover a serious cleanup event. Nobody in this room can answer that tonight,

1432
01:57:09,900 --> 01:57:15,140
and that should concern us, because the payment allocates shortfall based on who caused it,

1433
01:57:15,300 --> 01:57:20,040
which is exactly the kind of dispute that ends up in litigation, not resolved by policy.

1434
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:25,440
Then there's the deadline pressure. Your own staff report stays landify, has told the city,

1435
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:30,140
It's participation, it's participation is time sensitive and it's only committed to pursuing

1436
01:57:30,140 --> 01:57:35,700
this through the end of the year. That's not a reason to sign faster. That's a reason to slow down.

1437
01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:40,900
When one party to a multi-year multi-million dollar transaction is the one setting the clock,

1438
01:57:41,060 --> 01:57:45,320
the other party, you, the city should not be negotiating against the clock.

1439
01:57:45,900 --> 01:57:49,680
And consider what happens if this doesn't work. If the project becomes commercially

1440
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:55,380
feasible landify can walk. The city can get no property and taxpayers have spent years of

1441
01:57:55,380 --> 01:57:59,500
staff and legal time on an agreement that produced nothing. The staff report says the city

1442
01:57:59,500 --> 01:58:04,560
is in obligated to accept an incomplete site but it doesn't tell us what happens to the public

1443
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:09,540
trust in the momentum we've built in the community if this falls apart midstream. Finally,

1444
01:58:09,660 --> 01:58:19,660
this property is a 20-year history of rushed decisions that didn't hold up. Approvals that were

1445
01:58:19,660 --> 01:58:24,820
one wind. The history that should teach us one lesson. Get the sequencing, right? Resolve

1446
01:58:24,820 --> 01:58:30,960
the SNL, confirm the insurance, is adequate, and then bring it back. I'm not asking

1447
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:35,900
you to abandon this. I'm not saying that I don't support it. I'm asking you to wait until

1448
01:58:35,900 --> 01:58:39,260
the ground under it is actually solid. Thank you.

1449
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:39,880
Thank you.

1450
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:42,780
Thank you, Laurel, following Drew is Sherry Pintah.

1451
01:58:44,860 --> 01:58:51,560
Mayor and City Council members, I'm asking you to look more closely at the staff's findings

1452
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:55,760
that Secret does not apply to tonight's agreement.

1453
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:05,200
The city's position is that this is just a contract, a framework for future transfer and

1454
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:11,840
that the real environment decisions come later, but an agreement that commits to the city

1455
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:20,400
to a definite course of action is exactly what SQL is designed to catch, and this one does.

1456
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:29,700
Our own staff report says if landify performs and the closing conditions are met, the

1457
01:59:29,700 --> 01:59:34,900
city will be contractually obligated to accept the property.

1458
01:59:34,900 --> 01:59:36,440
No second vote.

1459
01:59:39,070 --> 01:59:48,830
This real commitment is made tonight and that the commitment to the specific physical outcome

1460
01:59:48,830 --> 01:59:56,670
and IDFO, nearly a million cubic yards of new fill, stockpiles graded to 50 feet.

1461
01:59:56,670 --> 01:59:59,670
This site is currently zoned sound and gravel.

1462
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,080
Not open space. The county's own LEA has told the applicant, in writing, the operation plan must explain

1463
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:20,400
how the site gets re-zoned. A re-zoned doesn't happen by accident, and it fits in tonight's

1464
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:23,560
environmental review at all.

1465
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:29,140
That expectation staff is reliant on requires certainly.

1466
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:38,320
Certainly that there is no possible possibility of subspecific effort in

1467
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:38,880
the prefix.

1468
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:43,420
Sorry, I don't think that's a certainty exists.

1469
02:00:43,740 --> 02:00:50,260
The original waterboard found arsenic contamination in the stockpiles and the

1470
02:00:50,260 --> 02:00:57,860
to be removed from the property of the state, now, on Omaha, founded that recreational adult

1471
02:00:57,860 --> 02:01:03,000
children and outdoor workers all exceed acceptable health risk thresholds.

1472
02:01:03,160 --> 02:01:10,440
There's an abandoned well, unlocated, and our staff report says testing is still underway

1473
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:14,640
and the scope of the work required hasn't been finalized.

1474
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:18,720
I support turning the property into open space.

1475
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:21,120
That's not what's in dispute.

1476
02:01:21,660 --> 02:01:30,300
What I am asking is that we get there through review, not around it.

1477
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:34,380
So before making a no-sequa finding tonight,

1478
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:39,400
I asked the city attorney to answer one question on the record.

1479
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:47,340
What is the legal basis for concluding that the rezone, the grading and the fill placement,

1480
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:56,560
agreement, is built around our reasonable foreseeable consequences and approve it tonight?

1481
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:58,600
Thank you, Mr. White.

1482
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:00,260
Please be good.

1483
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:01,640
Other.

1484
02:02:06,700 --> 02:02:09,420
Sherry, after that, does Theresa Sears?

1485
02:02:12,630 --> 02:02:14,210
My name is Sherry Hart-Pantaya.

1486
02:02:14,270 --> 02:02:17,230
I'm a multi-generational resident of Orange Park acres.

1487
02:02:17,870 --> 02:02:20,350
And the current president of the Orange Park Association.

1488
02:02:21,550 --> 02:02:27,110
Thank you, Mayor Slater, and Councilful for this opportunity to speak on behalf of the Orange Park Association

1489
02:02:27,110 --> 02:02:39,090
to formally express our support, the Gender Item 9.1, regarding the agreements related to the restoration and future conveyance of the property to the city for permanent public open space.

1490
02:02:40,030 --> 02:02:47,250
We understand that all the entities involved are working closely together with the LEA in developing a plan to best serve our community.

1491
02:02:47,250 --> 02:02:52,510
The OPA plan promotes the Santiago Green Belt Plan,

1492
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:56,090
phasing out of the gravel pit operations along Santiago Creek

1493
02:02:56,090 --> 02:03:00,730
and its restoration and the preservation of Santiago Creek.

1494
02:03:01,550 --> 02:03:05,710
The agreements before the city council are in alignment with the OPA plan.

1495
02:03:07,070 --> 02:03:10,930
This effort by the minute entities involved is a remarkable opportunity

1496
02:03:10,930 --> 02:03:16,450
to fulfill many things, advancing the city of Orange General Plan

1497
02:03:16,450 --> 02:03:23,810
long-term open space vision, serving future generations, creating a lasting public benefit,

1498
02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:28,870
and adding significant value to the world character of the surrounding area.

1499
02:03:30,030 --> 02:03:36,250
Repreciate the hard work and painstaking effort by all parties involved to establish a path

1500
02:03:36,250 --> 02:03:41,790
to transform the cellular property into permanent open space under city ownership.

1501
02:03:41,790 --> 02:03:49,130
The Orange Park Association supports the recommended action and urges the City Council to approve them.

1502
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:50,070
Thank you again.

1503
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:52,790
Thank you, Sherry, and then Theresa Sears.

1504
02:04:01,710 --> 02:04:02,810
Good evening, Council.

1505
02:04:03,710 --> 02:04:05,770
Mayor, I appreciate the opportunity.

1506
02:04:06,410 --> 02:04:09,270
I have lived in Orange for half my life.

1507
02:04:09,790 --> 02:04:13,550
I won't tell you what that number is, but more than half my life.

1508
02:04:16,190 --> 02:04:18,410
I am a resident of Orange.

1509
02:04:18,410 --> 02:04:19,870
So I want that to be known.

1510
02:04:20,090 --> 02:04:22,210
I live in Orange and I've always lived.

1511
02:04:22,910 --> 02:04:25,210
My property has always been in the city.

1512
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:33,460
So it's not often that the stars align in favor of the public good,

1513
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:37,060
especially when you have competing interests involved.

1514
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:41,520
At the same time, it's not uncommon when trying to work

1515
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:46,960
through complicated deals like this to have obstacles to overcome.

1516
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:55,320
Any important conservation effort, and I know them, saving a farm rent, banning rent,

1517
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:59,980
Coyote Hills, the herwitz site, stopping the sprawl out into the door.

1518
02:05:01,020 --> 02:05:06,840
The 20,000 acres that we now know as the Irvine Ranch open space.

1519
02:05:08,980 --> 02:05:15,360
All of those have had challenges, twists, and turns. Lots of stories can go with that.

1520
02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:21,420
As Reggie would know, stopping the sale of the Orange County Fairgrounds. That is another example.

1521
02:05:21,420 --> 02:05:29,220
So, there is no playbook, there is no class, there is no YouTube video that explains how to achieve success.

1522
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:34,120
Okay, this kind of work is very messy, it's not often understood by the public.

1523
02:05:34,460 --> 02:05:44,660
It's compound complex and at times, I can tell you, it requires the willingness, the collaboration, and smart people working together for the common good.

1524
02:05:45,260 --> 02:05:52,420
I point to sound to simply say that I am pleased with the effort of the city, landify, and

1525
02:05:52,420 --> 02:05:58,680
malign, and the effort they have put forth to preserve Sully Miller as in V. And visioned

1526
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:04,820
in the San Diego Creek Greenville plan, the OPA plan, and the East Norens plan. That is not

1527
02:06:04,820 --> 02:06:10,920
a simple task based on the history of Sully Miller, some of it, a very tortured history.

1528
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:19,860
I can attest about that being said, one step at a time and I believe we will achieve our mutual goals.

1529
02:06:20,420 --> 02:06:25,740
I'm encouraged that the entities are working together with the regulatory agencies to find solutions

1530
02:06:25,740 --> 02:06:29,360
and more confident that we will succeed.

1531
02:06:29,940 --> 02:06:34,620
My suggestion is to hold tight, keep going, support our city manager and his leadership.

1532
02:06:34,620 --> 02:06:40,820
He has done an excellent job, have faith, be creative, stay positive, and focus in more

1533
02:06:40,820 --> 02:06:46,900
importantly, importantly, I urge you to support the five recommendations that staff is

1534
02:06:46,900 --> 02:06:49,220
carefully crafted for your approval.

1535
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:55,140
I've been on this road many times, it can be bumpy, but tenacity has netted out thousands

1536
02:06:55,140 --> 02:07:00,660
of acres of public open space for generations to support, to enjoy.

1537
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:03,080
So I ask tonight for your aye vote.

1538
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:04,280
Thank you.

1539
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:10,720
Thank you, Theresa. That ends the public speakers. Are there any remote speakers?

1540
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:14,960
No mayor. We do not have any remote speakers.

1541
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:16,480
Thank you. Council member Dimitra.

1542
02:07:17,340 --> 02:07:19,520
Great. Thank you, Mayor. Just real quickly.

1543
02:07:20,140 --> 02:07:22,780
I've got to say it because I wouldn't be me without it.

1544
02:07:23,860 --> 02:07:32,020
But 60.67.7 potential new acres of open space park space into the inventory.

1545
02:07:34,340 --> 02:07:40,180
relatively quickly with the work that needs to go down, and I'm still looking forward to

1546
02:07:40,180 --> 02:07:45,300
another 1.8 acres in West Orange, the lay open we can get that across before I turn

1547
02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:53,540
out or disappear. I do want to say that overall I agree 100% ready for this treason with

1548
02:07:53,540 --> 02:08:07,280
this year's. This has been a battle, multi decades in order to create the visions that

1549
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:14,020
we're forcing by many before us, many in the community that have come and gone. And in

1550
02:08:14,020 --> 02:08:22,340
the end, I'm hoping now that as we progress and we have staff and landify Milan, the government

1551
02:08:22,340 --> 02:08:28,500
agencies that are going to be involved watching this as it progresses and develops into either

1552
02:08:29,220 --> 02:08:35,200
the open space, the park space, whatever ends up happening towards the benefit of the community,

1553
02:08:35,940 --> 02:08:40,000
we'll finally heal the Hatfields and McCoys that are out there. We can come back to

1554
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:46,160
gather as a community in that area specifically and start to heal and actually start to become

1555
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:53,780
family again. My last statement, and I'm going to support this, but my last statement is really

1556
02:08:53,780 --> 02:09:01,160
to congratulate Mayor Slater. He set out with a goal. I remember him talking about it and

1557
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:09,140
thinking, good luck. But if, if and when this 67.7 acres comes to fruition, it's 112 acres

1558
02:09:09,140 --> 02:09:17,580
in total. It's been now dedicated to open space protected around the Santiago Creek and that's

1559
02:09:17,580 --> 02:09:24,360
no mild accomplishing of it. That was a promise you made to the people of Orange and I remember

1560
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:29,260
that might take notice. So thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Council member. Council member Barrios?

1561
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:37,140
I just wondered if the same manager or Jack, if you could answer specifically the public speaker

1562
02:09:37,140 --> 02:09:42,380
that brought up the finding of arsenic in recent days? Can you, can you, can you, can one of

1563
02:09:42,380 --> 02:09:48,600
maybe be in the bottom city attorney? No, I'm, I'm happy to address that the finding of

1564
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:54,100
our arsenic came from the waterboard letter, right? So the waterboard that the county

1565
02:09:54,100 --> 02:09:57,660
I'll carry agency X as the lead environmental agency.

1566
02:09:59,260 --> 02:09:59,980
There were...

1567
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,380
Over, I believe, 1,300 soil samples taken on site through all the stockpiles, and I believe it was approximately

1568
02:10:07,380 --> 02:10:17,820
18 of them that had findings of arsenic. What I can say is what does remain unsolved is this regulatory

1569
02:10:17,820 --> 02:10:27,560
work, and the agreements were specifically structured for it. That said, it is something that we're

1570
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:33,460
coming on at now. I'm not a geotech, but again, the letters received, I believe, last Friday,

1571
02:10:33,740 --> 02:10:38,560
I had a head of my office last Friday, and we're working through it right now. Again, it

1572
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:42,840
doesn't change my opinion of the agreements. It doesn't change my recommendation tonight.

1573
02:10:43,380 --> 02:10:48,940
It is still very much to approve this, and let us work through it over the coming weeks

1574
02:10:48,940 --> 02:10:55,760
and months. Okay, and I guess that leads to my second question, which is one of the things

1575
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,020
It's just kind of bugging me in the back of my head

1576
02:10:58,020 --> 02:10:59,360
is about sequa.

1577
02:11:00,140 --> 02:11:02,580
Sequo is designed for projects like this.

1578
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:04,320
Is it overused?

1579
02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:06,380
Yes, does it a big pain?

1580
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:07,140
Yes.

1581
02:11:07,700 --> 02:11:08,920
Do we need to improve it?

1582
02:11:10,300 --> 02:11:13,440
But the finding that this project of all projects

1583
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:16,040
would be sequa exempt, just kind of baffles me,

1584
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,580
is it because there's so much other testing going on

1585
02:11:18,580 --> 02:11:19,800
and it's part of the agreements?

1586
02:11:20,420 --> 02:11:22,200
I just want to understand and sort of it

1587
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:23,300
just being out of hand.

1588
02:11:23,680 --> 02:11:24,780
Nope, we don't need to do that.

1589
02:11:24,780 --> 02:11:29,260
because this is secret perfect as far as a project.

1590
02:11:29,860 --> 02:11:30,580
I can clarify.

1591
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:31,580
Please do.

1592
02:11:31,940 --> 02:11:36,940
The secret determination before the council tonight is limited to the approval of the agreements.

1593
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:41,460
The agreements establish a conditional framework for a future property transfer.

1594
02:11:41,940 --> 02:11:48,240
They do not approve or authorize the IDF operations grading or actual physical work.

1595
02:11:49,100 --> 02:11:54,060
The regulatory agencies continue to monitor the site and retain their authority and the city's

1596
02:11:54,060 --> 02:11:56,240
regulatory authority is expressly preserved.

1597
02:11:56,860 --> 02:11:59,260
So at this time, tonight before you counsel,

1598
02:11:59,820 --> 02:12:02,280
the city is not making a determination tonight.

1599
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:03,460
We've already the idea forward,

1600
02:12:03,620 --> 02:12:05,420
the grading for the actual project itself.

1601
02:12:06,220 --> 02:12:08,640
So, Secret could apply at a future point,

1602
02:12:08,860 --> 02:12:10,220
say when the land is transferred.

1603
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:12,920
Yeah, it could apply, right?

1604
02:12:12,940 --> 02:12:14,920
As we work through the regulatory process,

1605
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:17,440
future actions will certainly be evaluated

1606
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:19,460
for SQL effect applicable.

1607
02:12:25,650 --> 02:12:27,190
Council member, good to us.

1608
02:12:27,190 --> 02:12:31,630
I would like to ask a question of landify if they're available.

1609
02:12:33,810 --> 02:12:35,630
So, rubber jot them?

1610
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:37,530
I see them sitting in audience.

1611
02:12:38,830 --> 02:12:40,570
Yeah, please step forward.

1612
02:12:43,580 --> 02:12:45,120
Thank you, gentlemen, for being here.

1613
02:12:45,140 --> 02:12:47,940
I hope you didn't have to fly a long hours to get here,

1614
02:12:48,020 --> 02:12:49,420
or you've been around locally, hopefully.

1615
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:54,880
I just want to, well, for small, as you stand there,

1616
02:12:54,880 --> 02:13:02,480
I want to just say, you know, it's Jared and the year that you've been here, you've had

1617
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:04,200
to learn, selling Miller like this.

1618
02:13:04,220 --> 02:13:09,060
And so I appreciate all the hard work that you've had to, you're meeting with landify,

1619
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:15,440
meeting with mom, meeting with our residents, and you speak to all of them out in OPA, and

1620
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:16,400
I appreciate that.

1621
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:18,100
And you've had to learn fast and furious.

1622
02:13:18,680 --> 02:13:20,860
And you're trying to get a resolution for us.

1623
02:13:20,860 --> 02:13:26,960
And so understanding the disagreement is with the modifying ourselves at the city, right?

1624
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:30,480
We put all that Milan would hand this over to you all.

1625
02:13:30,980 --> 02:13:32,240
I want to hear your commitment.

1626
02:13:32,780 --> 02:13:38,440
I guess I'm concerned with the regulatory aspects of the new letters that just came in that

1627
02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:44,700
I have yet to see with this arsenic and of this and that I'm concerned with your commitment

1628
02:13:44,700 --> 02:13:50,640
to making certain that you meet all those regulatorys and that you will stick it, you know,

1629
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:57,040
day with it until you've cleared all those hurdles so that in fact we can take it over after

1630
02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:02,880
all that and seek what is then taken care of. So I just wanted to hear that that is your

1631
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:10,820
commitment with this pathway forward with Milan basically handing it over to you for you to be able

1632
02:14:10,820 --> 02:14:16,760
to then take on the reins and go through all the regulatory processes and that in a sense you won't

1633
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:20,720
say, this is just too much. I'm done. We're not going to continue. I just want to hear

1634
02:14:20,720 --> 02:14:25,620
that come in from you, because I read it, but I'd like to hear it from you, voice out

1635
02:14:25,620 --> 02:14:33,680
to the public. Steve Brown with WandaFive. There is quite a few regulatory hurdles that we

1636
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:39,000
have to go through that will set standards that we have to adhere to, and that we monitor.

1637
02:14:39,980 --> 02:14:45,660
We have projects elsewhere in the state that we're meeting similar standards. So we are in

1638
02:14:45,660 --> 02:14:51,340
environmental company at our core, and we are a community-centered company at our core.

1639
02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:57,130
I'd like to say trust us, but I can also tell you we're a business.

1640
02:14:58,110 --> 02:14:59,970
So if there are any cynics among you who are working.

1641
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,900
We're not going to deliver what I can tell you is our next project depends on our last project.

1642
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:09,900
We are committed in our corporate values for delivering.

1643
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:16,260
But it's also true that we are going to be monitored from a regulatory standpoint.

1644
02:15:17,080 --> 02:15:20,800
The city will have opportunity to monitor what is happening.

1645
02:15:21,340 --> 02:15:27,740
You all have the ability to, you know, the ability, you will review and have the right to approve the grading plan.

1646
02:15:27,740 --> 02:15:33,160
But more than that we have to be good corporate citizens, or we won't stay in this much.

1647
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:37,820
All right, and that is what I wanted to hear.

1648
02:15:37,980 --> 02:15:38,820
Thank you so much.

1649
02:15:39,060 --> 02:15:46,940
I just wanted you all to get an opportunity to speak so that the public can hear what your commitment is to our city and to that project site.

1650
02:15:47,260 --> 02:15:47,880
So thank you, gentlemen.

1651
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:48,720
Thank you.

1652
02:15:49,660 --> 02:15:52,180
Any other questions of landify?

1653
02:15:53,780 --> 02:15:53,980
All right.

1654
02:15:54,140 --> 02:15:54,500
Thank you.

1655
02:15:54,540 --> 02:15:54,740
Thank

1656
02:15:58,420 --> 02:16:03,720
you, Mr.

1657
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:09,180
I just, the city manager said this has been a very, very long road.

1658
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:20,540
It's not over, but the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and tonight is an important step to continue and start that journey.

1659
02:16:22,020 --> 02:16:33,480
So I think we're going to get there, but we all have to continue to work together, and I have with the community of course, and I think we can make this happen for orange.

1660
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:42,740
I will call for the vote, the vote is to approve the five recommended actions.

1661
02:16:59,870 --> 02:17:02,450
Provenamously, congratulations.

1662
02:17:05,070 --> 02:17:10,090
I'm going to call for a quick 10 minute break if that's all right with everybody.

1663
02:17:12,560 --> 02:17:13,940
10 minutes please.

1664
02:30:27,630 --> 02:30:39,890
In session, item 9.2, county of orange, unincorporated island, annexation, study and policy direction. This was continued from August 11. I will ask for staff report.

1665
02:30:40,330 --> 02:30:45,210
Thank you, Mayor and Council members. Tonight for your consideration is just an overview and discussion.

1666
02:30:45,210 --> 02:30:50,950
And potentially looking to annex our existing county islands, ultimately at the end of the

1667
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:55,110
side of them, what staff is looking for is policy direction on how to proceed, including

1668
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:59,950
engaging with the current county island residents and property owners, as well as the county

1669
02:30:59,950 --> 02:31:02,050
of Orange and O.C. left-go.

1670
02:31:02,370 --> 02:31:05,790
It will be a partnership with all three if we move forward.

1671
02:31:06,850 --> 02:31:10,930
So before I jump into the process, I wanted to just explain why this is being presented

1672
02:31:10,930 --> 02:31:12,070
to the council tonight.

1673
02:31:12,070 --> 02:31:32,650
And so back in February, we had our strategic planning session and the council recall as we did that dot exercise where, for staff, it helped us identify those immediate policy priorities of the council, the, the looking at our potential of Ranax and county islands, that received really the highest number of dots.

1674
02:31:32,770 --> 02:31:41,770
So six out of seven council members said we wanted to look at this. And so with the revised strategic plan being adopted and the budget now being adopted, we are bringing this to the council.

1675
02:31:41,770 --> 02:31:47,290
to receive that direction and to see if we wanted to look at annexing all or some of the existing

1676
02:31:47,290 --> 02:31:53,870
county islands. And I wanted to provide just kind of a brief background. So in the early 2000s,

1677
02:31:54,050 --> 02:32:01,210
we had the city at that time took a bigger approach in annexing many of the county islands. Initially

1678
02:32:01,210 --> 02:32:07,150
and I was doing the research of initially looking at 13 county islands, ultimately 11 of the 13

1679
02:32:07,150 --> 02:32:13,010
were annexed. The ones that were removed at that time were Lincoln and Glacell as well as the

1680
02:32:13,010 --> 02:32:19,210
San Diego Creek or the bond pits. So those ones were a part of the initial analysis they were

1681
02:32:19,210 --> 02:32:26,030
removed and then the 11 islands that were evaluated were ultimately annexed. I will say that you take

1682
02:32:26,030 --> 02:32:31,010
out the San Diego Creek, you take out Lincoln and Glacell, the remaining islands that are there

1683
02:32:31,010 --> 02:32:36,250
were not a part of the initial analysis and you can see that with this map that was included with

1684
02:32:36,250 --> 02:32:41,770
staff report back in the early 2000s. So if you look at North El Medina right here and

1685
02:32:41,770 --> 02:32:46,810
you have El Medina here, none of them were really evaluated and here's all of heights. So

1686
02:32:46,810 --> 02:32:51,330
these were islands that were existing but at the time for whatever reason those were not

1687
02:32:51,330 --> 02:32:56,510
evaluated as that initial exploration of whether or not the city was going to annex them

1688
02:32:56,510 --> 02:33:02,170
and so that's what we had the six remaining today. And then I wanted to provide where these are at

1689
02:33:02,170 --> 02:33:10,230
in relation to our current district map. Most of them, three of them would go into district six

1690
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:14,310
with one into not having any existing county islands.

1691
02:33:17,140 --> 02:33:18,920
So there's really two approaches to

1692
02:33:18,920 --> 02:33:25,600
starting this process and it all hinges on the size of the county islands. It's 150 acres or less.

1693
02:33:26,220 --> 02:33:30,360
It can be kind of classified in that streamlined approach. There's no protest proceeding with that.

1694
02:33:30,360 --> 02:33:31,940
It's more of an administrative action.

1695
02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:33,640
We would work with the county, and I'll see

1696
02:33:33,640 --> 02:33:34,920
left go to make that happen.

1697
02:33:35,480 --> 02:33:38,100
We would also engage the residents that are living

1698
02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:39,640
in those particular county islands.

1699
02:33:39,880 --> 02:33:41,260
Most of the ones that we're looking at tonight

1700
02:33:41,260 --> 02:33:44,700
fall within that category, the two that are outside of that

1701
02:33:44,700 --> 02:33:46,560
in our 150 acres or more are OPA,

1702
02:33:47,260 --> 02:33:49,260
as well as the San Diego Creek area.

1703
02:33:50,260 --> 02:33:52,580
If you look at the different steps you have there,

1704
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:54,820
by and large, once you get to step five,

1705
02:33:54,940 --> 02:33:56,420
they are pretty similar to one another.

1706
02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:59,660
There are some differences, but there are similar approaches.

1707
02:33:59,660 --> 02:34:03,920
It's the parts when you get to steps 6 and 7 and that's because of the protests proceedings.

1708
02:34:05,020 --> 02:34:09,060
So if we get the direction tonight, staff would have those preliminary discussions.

1709
02:34:09,380 --> 02:34:12,420
We would look at the feasibility analysis, looking how much we would expect that

1710
02:34:12,420 --> 02:34:16,760
cost would be for the city as well as negotiating revenue shares with the county.

1711
02:34:17,260 --> 02:34:21,380
We would adopt a resolution, it's 150 acres or less, the council would adopt a resolution

1712
02:34:21,380 --> 02:34:25,160
making findings that this isn't fact less than 150 acres.

1713
02:34:25,660 --> 02:34:28,660
And that we meet certain criteria to be able to streamline the approach.

1714
02:34:28,660 --> 02:34:33,920
It's on the 158 acres or more side that Council Resolution really just initiates the proceedings.

1715
02:34:34,700 --> 02:34:37,840
The county border supervisors would then approve an annexation agreement.

1716
02:34:38,140 --> 02:34:43,100
Now that's when staff would come back before that happens to talk about the different revenues

1717
02:34:43,100 --> 02:34:48,140
shares that ultimately would be incorporated within that annexation agreement considered by the border supervisors.

1718
02:34:49,060 --> 02:34:52,100
When we get to step five and I mentioned that's kind of where we depart.

1719
02:34:52,100 --> 02:34:59,960
If it is 150 acres or less, O.C. Lafgo would hold a public carrying and ultimately would if they approve that which is more

1720
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:05,800
The Ministry of Action, that would approve the annexation, and that would go to the city.

1721
02:35:06,540 --> 02:35:11,920
If it's 150 acres or more, that's when I go to O.C. Lafco, when they hold a public hearing in a

1722
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:17,720
approve it, it's commencing the protest proceedings, which is detailed in 6 and 7. O.C. Lafco

1723
02:35:17,720 --> 02:35:22,620
would schedule a protest hearing for a period generally ranging from 21 to 60 days. Oh, no, the

1724
02:35:22,620 --> 02:35:26,980
election could be required. If there is no majority of protest or election, or the

1725
02:35:26,980 --> 02:35:31,140
election succeeds, the Nose Lafca will issue a certificate of completion, and the

1726
02:35:31,140 --> 02:35:32,360
taxation would become effective.

1727
02:35:34,060 --> 02:35:39,680
We have both of the 150 acres or more, so it's OPA as well as San Diego Creek.

1728
02:35:39,980 --> 02:35:40,820
They fall into each of these.

1729
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:43,180
So OPA would have fallen to an inhabited territory.

1730
02:35:43,980 --> 02:35:46,900
The San Diego Creek area would fall into the uninhabited territory.

1731
02:35:47,740 --> 02:35:51,000
So if we were to move forward with that, and everything got to that point, we're at

1732
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:52,220
that's six and seven.

1733
02:35:52,820 --> 02:35:55,800
For OPA, you would fall into, if less than 25%

1734
02:35:55,800 --> 02:35:57,880
where to come out and protest against it,

1735
02:35:58,100 --> 02:35:59,220
the annexation would be ordered.

1736
02:35:59,820 --> 02:36:02,800
If you got 25% to 50% or protest

1737
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:05,260
submitted by 25% of the owners

1738
02:36:05,260 --> 02:36:09,040
who also own at least a quarter of the assessor value

1739
02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:12,220
of that territory, then an election would be administered.

1740
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:14,060
And that's OCLAP go working with the city

1741
02:36:14,060 --> 02:36:15,140
and the county ROV.

1742
02:36:16,020 --> 02:36:18,240
If you received 50% or more protests,

1743
02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:20,120
then the proceedings are terminated

1744
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:21,500
and we're done at that point.

1745
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:25,960
That first part of the inhabited territory, that's the process for OPA if the council went

1746
02:36:25,960 --> 02:36:26,640
that direction.

1747
02:36:27,660 --> 02:36:32,260
The uninhabited territory is that small portion with the San Diego Creek, which is essentially

1748
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:33,720
the basins.

1749
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:37,520
By and large, that's owned by the Orange County Water District.

1750
02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:41,060
I think we wouldn't really even necessarily get to this phase.

1751
02:36:41,180 --> 02:36:43,920
I'm sure we can reach out to them and see if there's any interest in there.

1752
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:48,560
Since they own really the line share of that property, I think we can engage with them and

1753
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:50,900
see if there would be any interest within that area.

1754
02:36:51,860 --> 02:36:54,200
But for consideration of 158 acres more,

1755
02:36:54,420 --> 02:36:57,160
we have those two county islands, one would

1756
02:36:57,160 --> 02:36:59,520
fall in each of them, and that's the approach we would take.

1757
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:03,900
So I have a slide for each one just to give an overview

1758
02:37:04,420 --> 02:37:05,980
of the county islands we're considering.

1759
02:37:06,820 --> 02:37:10,060
So the first one's El Medina, again, less than 150 acres,

1760
02:37:10,960 --> 02:37:12,400
101 acres, the estimated population.

1761
02:37:12,600 --> 02:37:13,640
And this is for most of you, Laphco,

1762
02:37:13,640 --> 02:37:16,600
so I'm sure these numbers will change as we get into this.

1763
02:37:16,600 --> 02:37:31,340
But it's a 2700 housing units. We have 684 housing units. We will work with the county on this, but it is likely that if we were to move forward, we would have to absorb the rena units that are associated with each county island.

1764
02:37:31,640 --> 02:37:40,700
And so right now, 328 are assigned to the El Medina island. And I just have a note there that this one is streamlined. This one could go to the streamlined approval.

1765
02:37:42,120 --> 02:37:48,260
Northamadena is even smaller, 31 acres, estimated population is up by 20 with 126 housing units,

1766
02:37:48,760 --> 02:37:53,200
no-ringing units are assigned to Northamadena and again this one would be a streamline approval.

1767
02:37:54,400 --> 02:38:00,980
All of heights is right around the same range, 32 acres, estimated population is 500, 166,

1768
02:38:01,100 --> 02:38:07,780
housing units, 431 reading units is assigned there with a streamline approval applying to that one as well.

1769
02:38:07,780 --> 02:38:13,440
Lincoln in Gacell, it's mostly industrial, surprisingly, it has ringing in to sign to it.

1770
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:19,640
It's 6.04, but given it's size, that one would also be eligible for a streamlined approach.

1771
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:24,200
And then we get to our two final ones, which are above that 158th threshold.

1772
02:38:25,300 --> 02:38:28,040
This is Orange Park Acres 294.

1773
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:31,940
Estimate populations, a little over a thousand, housing units that 386.

1774
02:38:32,260 --> 02:38:36,980
And then there are nobody units assigned to that, and that's coming from the county of Orange.

1775
02:38:36,980 --> 02:38:42,340
We worked with them last year when we first started looking at this and that's where we're getting those numbers.

1776
02:38:43,220 --> 02:38:45,100
Lastly, you have the San Diego Creek.

1777
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:49,100
No one's living there and it's a streamlined approval.

1778
02:38:49,340 --> 02:38:54,190
It would be no, and it's 170, 187 acres.

1779
02:38:55,340 --> 02:38:59,920
So I just wanted to provide an overview of what each of these county items look like.

1780
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:02,580
Again, we have six of them that we are discussing tonight.

1781
02:39:02,580 --> 02:39:06,820
When we look at how services are provided in the

1782
02:39:07,380 --> 02:39:10,520
our unincorporated areas, I have the different

1783
02:39:10,520 --> 02:39:13,720
agencies that are providing services. It is kind of a

1784
02:39:13,720 --> 02:39:15,800
hodgepodge of different agencies that are involved.

1785
02:39:16,420 --> 02:39:20,440
I will note that when it comes to our fire department or

1786
02:39:20,440 --> 02:39:23,780
city fire department, many of the unincorporated county

1787
02:39:23,780 --> 02:39:26,580
highlands for mutual aid agreements. However, they do not

1788
02:39:26,580 --> 02:39:29,100
provide ambulance transports out of these areas.

1789
02:39:29,100 --> 02:39:39,350
So, if Annex, this is a service that we would need to, we would need to evaluate and consideration of the existing ambulance contract that's currently operating out of there.

1790
02:39:40,340 --> 02:39:47,300
If it were to come over to the city, you would have things like our library would come to the city of Orange's library animal control.

1791
02:39:47,500 --> 02:39:56,560
We are already contracting with the county that would continue planning all that would become city services and of course, orange and bicycle district service, these areas as well.

1792
02:39:57,880 --> 02:39:59,980
So ultimately, what world is this?

1793
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:27,420
Fast looking for tonight is, we're wanting to see from the council if there is a desire for staff to work with the property owners of residents in these areas to work with OCLafko as well as county of orange staff, particularly in the CEO's office to see if this is something that we can bring back to the council with the cost estimates of what it would take to service those areas if it came to the city as well as the revenue shares and the exchanges that would happen between the city and the county.

1794
02:40:28,060 --> 02:40:34,600
There are existing property tax exchanges, but that's something that I think we can work with the county and see if we can make this work.

1795
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:44,320
They are interested in working with us to make this happen and so right now staff is looking for direction and based on direction will work with the relevant agencies.

1796
02:40:44,320 --> 02:40:45,180
It's very

1797
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:56,340
well before we get to public comments, are there any questions or staff?

1798
02:40:58,240 --> 02:41:01,600
Councillor Talar, did you want to go first?

1799
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:02,860
I'm going to go first.

1800
02:41:04,460 --> 02:41:06,360
Everyone, fine with that.

1801
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:07,540
All right.

1802
02:41:09,860 --> 02:41:14,000
Before we call for a speaker, if any members of the public or a participating

1803
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:19,100
to address the council, please raise your hand if you're calling in.

1804
02:41:19,440 --> 02:41:21,720
Please press star 9 to raise your hand.

1805
02:41:22,060 --> 02:41:25,720
You'll hear end person speakers first and then move on to remote speakers.

1806
02:41:26,580 --> 02:41:27,860
You're participating remotely.

1807
02:41:28,220 --> 02:41:32,620
The city clerk will announce when your three minutes are up and then you will be muted.

1808
02:41:34,340 --> 02:41:39,380
First public speaker, in fact, might be the only one Mr. Peterson.

1809
02:41:41,810 --> 02:41:43,690
No, I'm sorry, there aren't quite a few.

1810
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:48,030
All right, good evening, again, once again,

1811
02:41:48,030 --> 02:41:50,750
I'm speaking on behalf of Wendy Reglin,

1812
02:41:50,910 --> 02:41:53,790
who couldn't make a tonight, obviously, what she has.

1813
02:41:54,390 --> 02:41:55,630
Good evening, Mayor on council.

1814
02:41:55,850 --> 02:41:58,670
My name is Wendy Reglin, and I live in all of heights.

1815
02:41:59,050 --> 02:42:00,870
One of the unincorporated county islands

1816
02:42:00,870 --> 02:42:02,210
under discussion tonight.

1817
02:42:03,090 --> 02:42:04,430
I oppose annexation.

1818
02:42:05,070 --> 02:42:07,810
My neighbors and I, I chose to live in a county pocket

1819
02:42:07,810 --> 02:42:08,530
for a reason.

1820
02:42:08,530 --> 02:42:16,670
We value the semi-erroral character of our community the independence it provides in the fact that it means distinct from the city

1821
02:42:16,670 --> 02:42:26,050
Before annexation proposed proposals moves forward. I encourage the council to consider a fundamental questioning to the effective residents

1822
02:42:26,050 --> 02:42:34,650
Actually want it for many of us and all of heights dancers know we wish to preserve the character of our neighborhood and remain a county pocket

1823
02:42:34,650 --> 02:42:39,890
Trust matters in discussions like this, the city is asking residents in unincorporated

1824
02:42:39,890 --> 02:42:44,730
county islands to trust city government enough to become part of it.

1825
02:42:44,970 --> 02:42:49,990
At the same time, the city recently sent a demand letter to a private political forum

1826
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:52,330
over a graphic and page title.

1827
02:42:53,190 --> 02:42:58,650
Those actions send very different messages about the civic participation and community engagement.

1828
02:42:59,250 --> 02:43:04,610
If the city wants residents to embrace annexation, it should first demonstrate that

1829
02:43:04,610 --> 02:43:09,250
welcome public participation, dissenting viewpoints and community oversight.

1830
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:13,590
I urge the council to respect the wishes of the residents who live in these communities

1831
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:16,630
and not assume annexation as a preferred outcome.

1832
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:18,310
Thank you, regards.

1833
02:43:19,250 --> 02:43:19,750
Thank you.

1834
02:43:20,070 --> 02:43:21,330
There are several other speakers.

1835
02:43:21,770 --> 02:43:24,990
First one is Reggie Mundicus, followed by Laura Cecina.

1836
02:43:35,770 --> 02:43:42,210
This is something that sounds good, but there's a lot of details because each of these areas

1837
02:43:42,210 --> 02:43:52,420
have their own codes and the way that the residents live and I'm not sure if everybody is

1838
02:43:52,420 --> 02:43:57,640
going to want to adapt to or in city code when it comes to things like the number of animals

1839
02:43:57,640 --> 02:44:04,660
you can have and some the other code issues and some the other issues with non-conforming structures.

1840
02:44:04,660 --> 02:44:12,380
This would also cost money, because they have infrastructure needs to be upgraded.

1841
02:44:13,420 --> 02:44:22,260
My suggestion is that if the sales tax measure passes, we bring this back, not in

1842
02:44:22,260 --> 02:44:34,640
2027, because that would be the first year of that money, but at the end of 2027 or the

1843
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:42,600
tax measure passes we would have some funds to actually put towards this. And in the meantime,

1844
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:46,740
you could have discussions with the residents of those areas to see if they want to join

1845
02:44:46,740 --> 02:44:49,840
the city. Thank you.

1846
02:44:50,580 --> 02:44:54,420
Thank you, Reggie. Following Lori, Susina is Laurel Maldonado.

1847
02:45:02,610 --> 02:45:17,150
Good evening, Mayor and Council members. In January Council meeting, Councilman Demetree said residents should be surveyed before the city gets too far into this process.

1848
02:45:17,150 --> 02:45:20,190
Councilman, and I'm going to pronounce your name wrong.

1849
02:45:20,430 --> 02:45:25,730
For Dowe, also supported fighting out what residents wanted early.

1850
02:45:26,290 --> 02:45:28,150
So I'm asking you to honor that.

1851
02:45:28,730 --> 02:45:34,730
Council member Guteris, you originally brought the county island annexation forward.

1852
02:45:35,790 --> 02:45:41,290
Before the city moves ahead with annexing El Medina and OPA, you should support a survey

1853
02:45:41,290 --> 02:45:46,170
asking the effective residents whether they actually want to become part of the city.

1854
02:45:46,170 --> 02:45:52,930
Residents need to know exactly what Annexate and Session could mean before they are asked to support it.

1855
02:45:53,130 --> 02:46:01,110
For Orange Park Boulevard in Elmo, that includes differences between county and city regulation, regulations affecting horses, livestock, chickens,

1856
02:46:02,070 --> 02:46:09,990
as well as affected horse trailers, recreational vehicles, and where they may be parked on private property or public streets.

1857
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:16,530
These aren't minor issues, and in a question community, they affect how people have used their properties for generations.

1858
02:46:17,310 --> 02:46:21,250
Residents also deserve a clear explanation of the financial consequences.

1859
02:46:22,030 --> 02:46:26,870
Anization does not simply allow the city to raise everyone's proposition.

1860
02:46:27,250 --> 02:46:38,950
Proposition 13 property tax rate, but city residents can be subject to voter approved bonds, assessments or other property related charges that may appear on their property tax bill.

1861
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:41,390
Before this moves forward,

1862
02:46:41,650 --> 02:46:43,390
residents should be given a written comparison

1863
02:46:43,390 --> 02:46:47,010
showing the county rules versus city rules explaining

1864
02:46:47,010 --> 02:46:50,330
any potential changes to their property tax bill.

1865
02:46:50,770 --> 02:46:53,610
Orange Park acres at Elmodeena may be different communities

1866
02:46:53,610 --> 02:46:56,590
with different annexation rules,

1867
02:46:57,010 --> 02:46:59,450
but we have one very important thing in common.

1868
02:47:00,410 --> 02:47:03,050
The people who live here deserve to be asked first,

1869
02:47:03,210 --> 02:47:06,270
and they deserve to know exactly what they are being asked to join.

1870
02:47:06,650 --> 02:47:07,570
Thank you.

1871
02:47:07,570 --> 02:47:09,090
Thank you, Lori.

1872
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:12,870
Following Laurel is Drew White Feather.

1873
02:47:19,880 --> 02:47:20,400
Hello again.

1874
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:23,940
I don't really have a prepared speech.

1875
02:47:24,200 --> 02:47:28,880
I just wanted to kind of understand the process of this.

1876
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:34,220
It's my understanding that if one of these islands is considered to be annexed,

1877
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:36,060
all six have to be annexed together.

1878
02:47:36,820 --> 02:47:39,060
If that's not true, that's great.

1879
02:47:39,060 --> 02:47:43,420
Orange Park Gakers, my family has lived there since 1965.

1880
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:47,560
It has the whole entire area had been county.

1881
02:47:48,180 --> 02:47:51,320
The only reason that it's not is in 1973,

1882
02:47:51,900 --> 02:47:55,240
land started to be sold and be annexed into the city.

1883
02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:58,920
And approvals for communities that were not a

1884
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:01,540
question in communities, not large animal keeping,

1885
02:48:01,980 --> 02:48:04,280
were being approved at lightning speed.

1886
02:48:04,780 --> 02:48:07,780
Luckily we had forefathers that were smart and residents

1887
02:48:07,780 --> 02:48:11,680
that then put together a committee and they created our specific plan.

1888
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:17,300
It stopped future developments from destroying our rural character.

1889
02:48:18,200 --> 02:48:20,780
But we have them in there and we had to deal with them.

1890
02:48:21,660 --> 02:48:23,560
But we stopped that.

1891
02:48:24,020 --> 02:48:28,180
And so the fear is annexing into the city is going to be the first step

1892
02:48:28,180 --> 02:48:31,740
that we're going to lose our rural character.

1893
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:35,860
And we're going to lose our ability to keep our decline

1894
02:48:35,860 --> 02:48:42,780
and our livestock in our kitchen and our chickens and it just doesn't seem like it makes sense

1895
02:48:42,780 --> 02:48:43,360
right now.

1896
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:49,340
If I naturally, you guys are struggling as the city, get things together before you start

1897
02:48:49,340 --> 02:48:55,240
taking, trying to take an annex us into the city because you're not going to have any money

1898
02:48:55,240 --> 02:48:58,800
to support us the way that we need to be supported in our county.

1899
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:04,620
I ask you to just think about what you're doing, be sure that you asked the residents in

1900
02:49:04,620 --> 02:49:09,740
to these counties that you're trying to annex in and listen to the residents as you're supposed

1901
02:49:09,740 --> 02:49:14,040
to be listening to the residents not coming in and just taking if we don't want to be

1902
02:49:14,040 --> 02:49:18,780
annexed into the city. I think we're all open to look at both sides but I hope you're transparent

1903
02:49:18,780 --> 02:49:23,780
in providing all information, the pros and the cons and let the residents make a choice.

1904
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:27,220
The weather they want to be part of this annexation are not. Thank you.

1905
02:49:28,300 --> 02:49:29,480
Thank you, Laurel.

1906
02:49:29,880 --> 02:49:32,480
Paul and Drew is Sherry and Todd.

1907
02:49:35,380 --> 02:49:35,800
I'm Aaron.

1908
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:36,920
Council members.

1909
02:49:37,440 --> 02:49:41,580
I ask the Council to take OPA out of this analysis.

1910
02:49:42,600 --> 02:49:44,340
One, you guys can't afford us.

1911
02:49:44,660 --> 02:49:45,540
We have bridges.

1912
02:49:46,400 --> 02:49:47,880
We have handy creek.

1913
02:49:48,340 --> 02:49:49,900
You look at the city side.

1914
02:49:50,400 --> 02:49:51,360
We pull the trees.

1915
02:49:52,460 --> 02:49:53,780
You look at the county side.

1916
02:49:53,800 --> 02:49:55,360
It's clear of trees.

1917
02:49:55,940 --> 02:49:57,080
We don't want the same thing.

1918
02:49:57,080 --> 02:49:59,980
happen to may that happen to may vary with their green.

1919
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:06,000
How many people have taken the bill when you guys come in and say, all these trees have to be cut down, because we can't afford to maintain them.

1920
02:50:07,640 --> 02:50:20,880
OPA, we love our research. We don't want to lose our roosters. And in the city, you guys do not allow roosters. I can have more horses on my property, because I live in the county than the people in the city.

1921
02:50:20,880 --> 02:50:28,540
There's a lot of underground in issues that would technically, I can have as many horses

1922
02:50:28,540 --> 02:50:33,360
I want, actually, because our property was bought before the law.

1923
02:50:33,980 --> 02:50:37,360
So I'm grandfathered in, would the city recognize that?

1924
02:50:37,360 --> 02:50:38,580
Because the county does.

1925
02:50:39,620 --> 02:50:48,060
So there's a lot of costs that the city would endure, that with the way the budget is,

1926
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:49,500
you guys could not even afford.

1927
02:50:49,500 --> 02:50:55,840
I mean, I know we bring money in, we don't use a lot of fire, we don't use it until it's

1928
02:50:55,840 --> 02:51:01,800
needed, we don't use a lot of police other than, you know, new port Academy.

1929
02:51:02,360 --> 02:51:08,280
They spend more money on the police than we do than the residents of OPA.

1930
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:14,300
So I just ask you to take this out of the analysis, deal with it later when you guys get

1931
02:51:14,300 --> 02:51:16,880
your budget's worked out, and thank you.

1932
02:51:19,020 --> 02:51:19,580
Thank

1933
02:51:27,420 --> 02:51:29,500
you again for the opportunity to speak.

1934
02:51:30,220 --> 02:51:33,340
As I said earlier, I'm the current president of Orange Park Association.

1935
02:51:34,060 --> 02:51:40,340
On behalf of the Association, I urge city to remove orange park acres from the current annexation proposal.

1936
02:51:41,180 --> 02:51:46,620
annexation is a delicate issue to our rural community and must be approached differently than in other areas,

1937
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:53,100
because of the orange park acres and animal keeping practices, rural infrastructure and the longstanding community character.

1938
02:51:53,100 --> 02:51:59,080
If the city wishes to discuss annexation in the future, we respectfully request that at first

1939
02:51:59,080 --> 02:52:04,000
engaged directly with the community, listen to residents' concerns, and consider the

1940
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:08,080
ordinances and grandfathering protections needed to affected properties.

1941
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:13,860
At that time, we, at this time, we cannot support any annexation of Orange Park Eakers.

1942
02:52:14,320 --> 02:52:15,120
Thank you.

1943
02:52:15,360 --> 02:52:16,140
Thank you, Sherry.

1944
02:52:17,280 --> 02:52:18,420
Are there any remote speakers?

1945
02:52:20,720 --> 02:52:21,180
No, Mayor.

1946
02:52:21,180 --> 02:52:25,140
Okay. Thank you. I'll bring it back to Council for discussion.

1947
02:52:27,300 --> 02:52:32,740
I would encourage you to weigh in on your opinion on all the islands.

1948
02:52:33,780 --> 02:52:45,100
Then I'd like to do just a show of hands Island by Island if you think it's something we should possibly consider now or not.

1949
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:50,000
So that's what I'm kind of thinking at this point.

1950
02:52:50,480 --> 02:52:52,640
First of all, again, what's Council Member Tavalera's?

1951
02:52:52,760 --> 02:52:53,680
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1952
02:52:54,580 --> 02:52:55,060
A couple of questions.

1953
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:55,760
Thank you, Jack.

1954
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:01,100
I know a lot of people talk about, you know, the financial situation we're in.

1955
02:53:01,900 --> 02:53:08,460
I know that this process is taken over by a organization called Laphco.

1956
02:53:09,380 --> 02:53:11,540
And I want to ask a city manager,

1957
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:17,520
We're staff is asking for us to either approve or not approve or go forward with a study.

1958
02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:20,120
So they would be the lead agency in that study?

1959
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:23,300
I don't know who would be lead agency.

1960
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:24,280
I'm looking at Jexie.

1961
02:53:24,320 --> 02:53:26,080
We're looking for some direction right now.

1962
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:31,420
Right now, the Lafca Report, one of the attachments, has some preliminary analysis.

1963
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:35,220
We need to know what the actual true cost is.

1964
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:39,280
I'm not just going to simply take the county's $2.1 million,

1965
02:53:39,280 --> 02:53:44,940
expenditure at pace value and say that's what our expenditure is going to be. So if there

1966
02:53:44,940 --> 02:53:51,000
was motion prepared, I would prepare something along the lines to direct staff to complete

1967
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:57,800
the due diligence, right? What is the true financial impact? Run an infrastructure condition

1968
02:53:57,800 --> 02:54:04,360
assessment. With that, we'll be able to wrap a dollar mountain of figure around it and negotiate

1969
02:54:04,360 --> 02:54:08,660
with the county. Final take it for a million dollars or five million dollars or whatever

1970
02:54:08,660 --> 02:54:16,860
that might be. So tonight isn't actually about initiating formal proceedings, it's, do you want

1971
02:54:16,860 --> 02:54:24,000
to conduct new diligence if so on what islands? And then do we want to survey residents, right?

1972
02:54:24,820 --> 02:54:36,180
I absolutely feel resident engagement is very much, you know, it needs to happen. I wouldn't

1973
02:54:36,180 --> 02:54:43,600
do you want to be annexed? Yes or no, survey, right? I feel we would get a lot of no votes and then that

1974
02:54:43,600 --> 02:54:49,300
puts Council on a predicament. You surveyed us and you still initiated proceedings, right? I would

1975
02:54:49,300 --> 02:54:55,740
couch the survey more as what do you want to preserve? What characteristics? We can certainly design

1976
02:54:55,740 --> 02:54:59,980
around community standards, right? Part of the due diligence will

1977
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:15,280
We would look at our community development code with the county's code. It would address things such as animal keeping, RV keeping, lot sizes, et cetera. It's substantial amount of work. That would likely take months to complete.

1978
02:55:15,920 --> 02:55:19,100
If you send us down the path, no problem.

1979
02:55:19,820 --> 02:55:20,820
Happy to do the work.

1980
02:55:21,560 --> 02:55:25,380
But I would return likely within six months or so

1981
02:55:25,380 --> 02:55:30,980
with a true due diligence sort of report some community survey along that lines.

1982
02:55:31,700 --> 02:55:36,280
And then Council can make the decision whether or not to initiate formal proceeding.

1983
02:55:36,340 --> 02:55:37,080
I appreciate that.

1984
02:55:37,260 --> 02:55:40,700
From my memory years ago, I remember former supervisor more

1985
02:55:40,700 --> 02:55:43,140
Lock made a big deal about this because of

1986
02:55:43,140 --> 02:55:51,220
And his then district, he had a lot of islands, he wanted to melden to the cities that

1987
02:55:51,220 --> 02:55:52,000
they were surrounding.

1988
02:55:52,500 --> 02:55:56,480
And it was a very popular issue at the time for the county, I don't remember if it was

1989
02:55:56,480 --> 02:55:58,220
for the cities involved, but it was for the county.

1990
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:08,080
So last go has a process, if they're not the lead agency, they actually have the process

1991
02:56:08,080 --> 02:56:12,200
that goes through, whether it's surveying, asking questions,

1992
02:56:12,620 --> 02:56:13,980
how this will work out in negotiations

1993
02:56:13,980 --> 02:56:16,820
with the county if we decide to do so, so forth.

1994
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:19,060
Mr. Mayor, I understand what you're saying.

1995
02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:21,400
I'd like just to talk about the third district,

1996
02:56:21,420 --> 02:56:22,200
if that's okay.

1997
02:56:22,540 --> 02:56:26,060
Jack, could you bring, there's a couple of them

1998
02:56:26,060 --> 02:56:27,400
in the third district, one of which

1999
02:56:27,400 --> 02:56:29,860
is the, are Jane Noble sits right now?

2000
02:56:30,220 --> 02:56:30,780
I don't remember what.

2001
02:56:30,840 --> 02:56:31,160
Correct.

2002
02:56:31,640 --> 02:56:33,020
That's the Lincoln Gousel.

2003
02:56:33,300 --> 02:56:33,620
OK.

2004
02:56:33,620 --> 02:56:44,520
That I would ask my colleagues to agree with me that that parcel that we can call it that parcel is just a business

2005
02:56:44,520 --> 02:56:45,240
Ardain Noble.

2006
02:56:45,580 --> 02:56:46,580
There's no home there.

2007
02:56:46,780 --> 02:56:48,740
I'm kind of confused why there's green numbers there.

2008
02:56:48,840 --> 02:56:50,500
The county put green numbers there.

2009
02:56:50,740 --> 02:56:52,080
That's what we received.

2010
02:56:52,420 --> 02:56:55,280
Yeah, that they have green numbers tied to that particular island.

2011
02:56:55,720 --> 02:56:56,380
But yet there's no home.

2012
02:56:56,400 --> 02:56:58,380
I don't want to get on for the county deal with the green numbers.

2013
02:56:58,380 --> 02:57:06,700
But anyway, the whole plot, as we all know since you all here are my neighbors, that is strictly

2014
02:57:06,700 --> 02:57:07,320
Argy Noble.

2015
02:57:08,120 --> 02:57:12,940
I know they have no desire to change anything because it's just a business.

2016
02:57:13,260 --> 02:57:16,940
So I would ask that that not be included in anything going forward.

2017
02:57:19,300 --> 02:57:22,600
And then the other part that's in District 3 is all of.

2018
02:57:24,010 --> 02:57:27,270
So all of high it looks like it's it's in district four

2019
02:57:30,690 --> 02:57:35,990
Might be a portion of the far wheel of sports. Yeah, that was what so it's like

2020
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:42,270
The mayor for time and I share that there's also I was telling the city manager earlier

2021
02:57:42,270 --> 02:57:46,230
There are there are some streets near Amber's park

2022
02:57:46,850 --> 02:57:50,870
That are county streets and that's homes were built about

2023
02:57:51,610 --> 02:57:57,230
I'll see 20 years ago and I'm kind of surprised that Lanar when they were building them, they didn't do anything.

2024
02:57:57,610 --> 02:58:02,550
Anyway, I only know because when I walk precincts up there, they're not districted in district 3.

2025
02:58:03,230 --> 02:58:03,910
They're county residents.

2026
02:58:04,970 --> 02:58:08,650
And they're melded into those neighborhoods of those new homes.

2027
02:58:09,950 --> 02:58:11,990
And I'll go tomorrow and get the addresses and stuff.

2028
02:58:12,190 --> 02:58:14,610
But I actually would do walk my precincts.

2029
02:58:14,690 --> 02:58:18,250
So I know that there are some little streets in there that may be left.

2030
02:58:18,250 --> 02:58:19,850
who doesn't know about, maybe it was an oversight.

2031
02:58:21,070 --> 02:58:25,190
But that is District 3 and that's, and so for that,

2032
02:58:25,290 --> 02:58:27,330
and I will wait to hear what my colleague, Mr. Billodon

2033
02:58:27,330 --> 02:58:27,530
wants.

2034
02:58:27,610 --> 02:58:29,850
I would say, let's study it.

2035
02:58:30,110 --> 02:58:31,350
There's nothing wrong with studying it.

2036
02:58:31,450 --> 02:58:32,350
It doesn't mean we're doing anything.

2037
02:58:32,730 --> 02:58:35,390
I'd kind of like to know more about it.

2038
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:41,120
And my other thing is,

2039
02:58:44,770 --> 02:58:45,390
the last question

2040
02:58:45,390 --> 02:58:49,210
I think Mr. or city manager is, if we get to the point

2041
02:58:49,210 --> 02:58:55,790
that slot A looks like something they want and we want.

2042
02:58:56,870 --> 02:59:06,210
I take it, we negotiate or laugh could up on our behalf with the county, so we just don't take it as is with everything that's wrong with it.

2043
02:59:07,110 --> 02:59:17,730
We would negotiate something in terms of water, pavement, sewers, all that good stuff because it probably hasn't been kept up to the standards of what the city does.

2044
02:59:18,470 --> 02:59:18,830
Yeah.

2045
02:59:18,830 --> 02:59:18,970
Yeah.

2046
02:59:19,050 --> 02:59:21,590
There's going to be a lot of negotiation that has to occur with county.

2047
02:59:22,270 --> 02:59:25,790
Infrastructure and negotiation, property tax, revenue, split, et cetera.

2048
02:59:26,590 --> 02:59:31,170
Some of the county islands, I believe, might have a structural, fire-fund fee associated

2049
02:59:31,170 --> 02:59:34,410
with them that correlates to the Orange County Fire Authority.

2050
02:59:35,230 --> 02:59:37,750
There's going to be months of negotiations back with the county.

2051
02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:38,070
Yes.

2052
02:59:38,070 --> 02:59:41,850
Also, with the sheriff and OCFA and all the things that.

2053
02:59:41,970 --> 02:59:45,030
So, for example, if you guys look at that map, if you look at all of high, it's probably

2054
02:59:45,030 --> 02:59:47,310
one of the small ones that we're looking at.

2055
02:59:47,310 --> 02:59:51,490
Or, El Medina, my colleague Gutierrez, Councilwoman Gutierrez,

2056
02:59:51,510 --> 02:59:51,850
Polizac.

2057
02:59:52,510 --> 02:59:53,290
There's a crime there.

2058
02:59:53,430 --> 02:59:54,550
There's something happens there.

2059
02:59:54,810 --> 02:59:56,490
It's not OPD that goes there.

2060
02:59:57,110 --> 02:59:59,790
A sheriff has to make a special, special trip there.

2061
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,380
So that cost them money. So you can understand from their standpoint that it's not cost effective for them.

2062
03:00:06,280 --> 03:00:16,340
So, and I do want to, I remember councilman to meet you at our, at our meetings that he'd love to see orange and made hole, and it's time to have these discussions, and I think that's something good.

2063
03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:27,340
Does it mean we're going to do it? Just means that we can talk about it. Again, I don't feel, I want to overstep my colleagues who represent districts, Mr. Mayor, and talk about their properties.

2064
03:00:27,340 --> 03:00:35,860
I think that would be not fair for me, but in terms of District 3, that would be my wish for the

2065
03:00:35,860 --> 03:00:41,560
LinkedIn Glacell to stay as is because it's just a company at the gravel site and then for all

2066
03:00:41,560 --> 03:00:46,260
of heights, at least for my part of it. I mean, I'm okay with studying it. I don't think there's

2067
03:00:46,260 --> 03:00:50,120
anything wrong with studying it. It's kind of an interesting issue to deal with, I think.

2068
03:00:50,120 --> 03:00:57,080
Just for clarification to follow up, I'm assuming if anything happened to Argy

2069
03:00:57,080 --> 03:01:01,960
Noel property and they wanted to develop it with that point definitely be incorporated

2070
03:01:01,960 --> 03:01:03,120
in the city.

2071
03:01:03,540 --> 03:01:04,840
No questions asked, right?

2072
03:01:05,020 --> 03:01:05,760
Not right now.

2073
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:07,960
Mike, no, not right now.

2074
03:01:08,180 --> 03:01:09,520
It's county incorporated island.

2075
03:01:10,140 --> 03:01:13,500
But it is developed, wouldn't it not necessarily?

2076
03:01:13,900 --> 03:01:14,240
No.

2077
03:01:15,160 --> 03:01:20,240
And they're owners who are very well-known, but they have a desire.

2078
03:01:20,420 --> 03:01:23,240
We've spoken to them, Mr. Billodon, Mr. Major and I at one point,

2079
03:01:23,260 --> 03:01:25,700
Dr. Demo, they definitely don't want to be part of it.

2080
03:01:26,040 --> 03:01:29,420
And I see why, as the property itself is just the company.

2081
03:01:30,440 --> 03:01:34,680
And if you know the history of the company, it goes back 150 years,

2082
03:01:35,000 --> 03:01:36,400
and I understand the history without it.

2083
03:01:36,900 --> 03:01:38,120
But all of Hype is a neighborhood.

2084
03:01:39,760 --> 03:01:43,300
I'd like to see what, again, I'd just like to see what the study would say.

2085
03:01:43,300 --> 03:01:45,200
I think it's kind of an interesting study.

2086
03:01:46,040 --> 03:01:46,500
Thank you.

2087
03:01:47,180 --> 03:01:48,240
Mayor Pro Tembillero.

2088
03:01:49,700 --> 03:01:50,060
Thank you.

2089
03:01:50,820 --> 03:01:57,740
Jack, what are the fees associated with kicking off a study with Lafco?

2090
03:01:57,920 --> 03:01:58,860
I'm going to share some of these.

2091
03:01:59,380 --> 03:02:02,640
So for over 150 acres, I'll have to get with them on that.

2092
03:02:02,700 --> 03:02:05,700
I know that they wave the fee for anything that's less 150 acres.

2093
03:02:05,820 --> 03:02:10,560
So trying to incentivize agencies to try to start this process.

2094
03:02:10,560 --> 03:02:16,660
When it comes to any sort of revenue share at the county has given this kind of a layout of what that could look like

2095
03:02:16,660 --> 03:02:19,800
But I believe a lot that would be negotiable

2096
03:02:20,380 --> 03:02:27,740
There is an existing 1980 master property tax agreement, so we would get 50% of the property taxes they're receiving

2097
03:02:27,740 --> 03:02:30,160
County would receive that 49.

2098
03:02:30,160 --> 03:02:38,120
point percent. There's a county fire fund. We've got a hundred percent of that. Orange County Public Library Fund.

2099
03:02:38,220 --> 03:02:42,400
A hundred percent of that. And then we would work on the deferred maintenance of there.

2100
03:02:42,860 --> 03:02:46,400
There's a formula that they would work that out. And it's essentially a one-time payment

2101
03:02:46,400 --> 03:02:49,820
of three years of maintenance since based on the five-year historical average.

2102
03:02:50,680 --> 03:02:54,820
So there's revenues that we would work with the county and determine what would you come into the city.

2103
03:02:56,040 --> 03:03:06,360
Okay, the reason why I ask is because before I get to that, I want to echo what Councilman

2104
03:03:06,360 --> 03:03:12,380
Tavallar said about the, the urgent home property that the family has repeatedly indicated

2105
03:03:12,380 --> 03:03:20,680
that they're not interested in annexation and they'd be the sole voters, so it's sort of a,

2106
03:03:20,700 --> 03:03:26,400
it'd be a waste of time to have a laugh go go after them, that they're under intense regulatory

2107
03:03:26,400 --> 03:03:30,440
is scrutiny because of the nature of their business, and I just don't think they want

2108
03:03:30,440 --> 03:03:35,240
to get the city involved in that and they're quite comfortable being unincorporated.

2109
03:03:36,240 --> 03:03:41,940
So I wouldn't support examining that at this time, and it's my understanding they don't

2110
03:03:41,940 --> 03:03:47,840
generate any sales tax with the sale of asphalt, so it wouldn't be some financial

2111
03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:50,860
windfall for the city far from it.

2112
03:03:53,240 --> 03:03:58,240
In terms of OPA, that one obviously is a more than

2113
03:03:58,660 --> 03:04:05,900
150 acres and that would require some large fees from Lafco, I would think. It's pretty

2114
03:04:05,900 --> 03:04:11,540
apparent to me that you'd have an uphill battle trying to get OPA to annex into the city.

2115
03:04:12,040 --> 03:04:17,820
I think people like the, you know, the rural atmosphere that goes along with being unincorporated

2116
03:04:17,820 --> 03:04:23,020
And so I don't know that that's even something we should even pursue.

2117
03:04:23,380 --> 03:04:25,980
I think a person I just think is a waste of time, it's a distraction.

2118
03:04:29,000 --> 03:04:38,500
The El Medina Islands generate an astoundingly low amount of revenue from a property tax perspective.

2119
03:04:38,560 --> 03:04:45,800
Based on the attachments of the staff report, it looks like this for the El Medina North

2120
03:04:45,800 --> 03:04:55,440
island back in 2020 when that was examined. It would generate about 1,500 bucks a year.

2121
03:04:55,820 --> 03:04:59,980
It would be the city's take of the property tax revenue and for the...

2122
03:05:00,210 --> 03:05:10,750
The larger Elmideed Island, we've got $9700. I can't imagine that would cover our costs for code enforcement and other activities that would need to occur there.

2123
03:05:13,190 --> 03:05:22,970
So, yeah, it would be tough, and I, so OCLAPCO gave us this information. I know the county had additional information of what they were proposing when it comes to revenue share.

2124
03:05:22,970 --> 03:05:27,050
So if the council directed us, we could probably get more precise numbers of what that property

2125
03:05:27,050 --> 03:05:29,770
tax revenue would be to the city and what we can expect.

2126
03:05:30,950 --> 03:05:33,770
Because I do have something from the county for March 25.

2127
03:05:33,930 --> 03:05:36,310
It's a bit different than when O.C. Lafgo was reporting.

2128
03:05:37,290 --> 03:05:41,930
But even with the county's numbers that are a bit higher, it's tough,

2129
03:05:41,930 --> 03:05:46,010
even based on just the rough estimate that the county's spending the service to counties.

2130
03:05:47,010 --> 03:05:51,590
It ultimately leads to a net cost to the city if you're assuming those revenues.

2131
03:05:52,170 --> 03:05:57,810
Yeah, and that's what concerns me is that I think it's a great idea, but I don't know

2132
03:05:57,810 --> 03:06:01,290
that's not the city can afford right now to take those on.

2133
03:06:01,690 --> 03:06:03,610
Now in terms of all of heights,

2134
03:06:07,900 --> 03:06:09,460
I'm interested in examining that.

2135
03:06:09,540 --> 03:06:10,300
It's in my district.

2136
03:06:10,680 --> 03:06:14,540
I, the infrastructure is, is all in place.

2137
03:06:15,220 --> 03:06:19,600
There are some areas that have no sidewalk, but it's just, but it has a rolled curve,

2138
03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:23,080
but that's just sort of the nature of the development.

2139
03:06:24,040 --> 03:06:27,300
So I don't think there's any infrastructure that's

2140
03:06:27,900 --> 03:06:29,120
deficient in that island.

2141
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:32,300
So to me, that's worth taking a look at.

2142
03:06:32,900 --> 03:06:36,400
I could see from the materials you provided us.

2143
03:06:36,400 --> 03:06:38,960
At one point, there was a tremendous amount of sales tax.

2144
03:06:39,080 --> 03:06:42,000
It was generated there, but maybe that's changed.

2145
03:06:42,180 --> 03:06:43,380
I don't know.

2146
03:06:44,220 --> 03:06:48,300
It looks like there's a builder supply in that particular island.

2147
03:06:48,300 --> 03:06:56,980
So it's generating quite a bit of sales tax revenue and I asked the county if that's Bradley Burns or if that's the full 7.75 this is that is the Bradley Burns.

2148
03:06:57,680 --> 03:07:06,220
Okay and that would then go to the city so that that actually would more than pay for itself based on the sales tax production out there.

2149
03:07:08,120 --> 03:07:16,760
And in terms of Santiago Creek I think there's only three property owners most of it is the Orange County Water District.

2150
03:07:17,740 --> 03:07:24,120
So I'm familiar with and then there's a school and then there's a place that sells like

2151
03:07:24,120 --> 03:07:24,680
firewood.

2152
03:07:24,840 --> 03:07:31,300
I think there are tree arborist place or something so that they would all get to vote.

2153
03:07:32,420 --> 03:07:36,000
I will say from just speaking with my Orange County district hat on.

2154
03:07:36,940 --> 03:07:44,240
We had a lot of properties along the sand and river that about 20 years ago the city of

2155
03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:48,580
and I'm annexed, they went to Lafco and annexed, and then they went forward and developed

2156
03:07:48,580 --> 03:07:54,120
public spaces along the river, and it's actually quite beautiful, and it relieved the water

2157
03:07:54,120 --> 03:08:01,780
district of a lot of maintenance burden. And now the city provides policing and things, and

2158
03:08:02,540 --> 03:08:08,240
I'm very grateful for that, because had we not joined the State of Manor, I knew it had been

2159
03:08:08,240 --> 03:08:13,960
camp run a muck out there with our unsheltered population. So it's actually

2160
03:08:13,960 --> 03:08:15,140
board that's a big partnership.

2161
03:08:17,060 --> 03:08:20,700
We don't have those issues at San Diego Creek that I'm aware of.

2162
03:08:20,740 --> 03:08:27,640
We have an occasional fisherman that makes his way into those pits, but we have a way of

2163
03:08:27,640 --> 03:08:28,520
chewing them off.

2164
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:36,460
But I wouldn't be opposed to the city looking into annexing that creek.

2165
03:08:36,920 --> 03:08:42,340
I recently hosted a group out there that included the mayor, and I see Teresa Sears here

2166
03:08:42,880 --> 03:08:47,340
And I had a biologist from the water as you come out and conduct a tour.

2167
03:08:47,860 --> 03:08:48,680
And it's quite beautiful.

2168
03:08:48,880 --> 03:08:54,620
There's areas of sort of behind the scenes, the public isn't aware of that it's really

2169
03:08:54,620 --> 03:09:01,140
stunning, and it would be great to develop more public access to that property as a result.

2170
03:09:02,100 --> 03:09:07,540
So I wouldn't be opposed with going forward with that because there's no cost to the city

2171
03:09:07,540 --> 03:09:08,380
on that.

2172
03:09:08,380 --> 03:09:15,380
So, um, and I think I covered all of the areas and so I'm just going to stop there. Thank you.

2173
03:09:15,920 --> 03:09:18,720
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, Councilmember Gill and Amber.

2174
03:09:22,560 --> 03:09:23,300
Thank you.

2175
03:09:23,940 --> 03:09:28,320
Check out the handful of questions. I'll try and wrap it fire them.

2176
03:09:28,940 --> 03:09:31,080
First of all, I think it makes sense to look into this.

2177
03:09:31,400 --> 03:09:36,840
There's pocketed nature to our city, so it definitely is the right discussion topic.

2178
03:09:41,640 --> 03:09:46,180
I guess my first question is can we annex a portion of these islands?

2179
03:09:47,320 --> 03:09:51,120
Like what I mean is like maybe like a third of one of them.

2180
03:09:51,540 --> 03:09:54,600
I think that we can always check with O.C. Lavko.

2181
03:09:54,600 --> 03:09:59,960
I'm going to, I think they would likely want us to annex all of them.

2182
03:10:04,100 --> 03:10:26,240
Okay, but we don't know if for sure that would be- We can ask them, yeah. I just know anyone kind of what the intent is and they're trying to have cities such as dorms, cities elsewhere to annex everything. So I think that would probably be there. They're taking on it. Okay. The reason why that question is asked because I think the sales tax generating portion of all of heights should be annexed if possible.

2183
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:34,980
I agree with Lincoln and Gillesale, leave that alone, I agree with OPA.

2184
03:10:35,780 --> 03:10:40,560
I think it's a large enough community with a key identity that's organized, and they

2185
03:10:40,560 --> 03:10:44,620
should be engaged in the discussion at the beginning before we move down any path.

2186
03:10:45,600 --> 03:10:50,740
I frankly think that same logic can apply to residents of some of the other islands that

2187
03:10:50,740 --> 03:10:54,740
they should also be engaged in this, although we can and next them.

2188
03:10:55,760 --> 03:11:03,000
I do, I guess I would say that, you know, we should understand what their opinion is in this process.

2189
03:11:03,500 --> 03:11:06,820
I think as we go about doing this and we should pursue some of the other ones,

2190
03:11:07,360 --> 03:11:09,540
we should understand the value proposition that we bring.

2191
03:11:10,200 --> 03:11:13,340
So the question I would ask is why are we annexing these islands?

2192
03:11:13,860 --> 03:11:15,440
And I would think through it a couple of ways.

2193
03:11:15,960 --> 03:11:19,980
One, there's a benefit to residents that live in those islands and we have to be able to communicate that.

2194
03:11:20,440 --> 03:11:24,000
Two, there's a benefit to the residents that live around those islands.

2195
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:30,120
related to continuity, we should communicate that, and then we should know the financial impact

2196
03:11:30,120 --> 03:11:37,680
of the decision, right? And that should be, you know, both the transition costs, and then with the

2197
03:11:37,680 --> 03:11:43,360
long-term costs are. It's, I find it really hard to believe Jack, some of the property tax values that

2198
03:11:43,360 --> 03:11:48,800
I see in here, they don't make a lot of sense to me, so if we can just confirm some of the low values,

2199
03:11:50,340 --> 03:11:51,460
Does that make sense?

2200
03:11:51,900 --> 03:11:52,400
Yeah, no absolutely.

2201
03:11:52,880 --> 03:11:56,500
And depending on what the council directs, we'll come back with all of those numbers that have

2202
03:11:56,500 --> 03:12:01,140
been confirmed and agreed to by the county so we can bring that proposal to the council.

2203
03:12:01,540 --> 03:12:02,000
Got it.

2204
03:12:02,240 --> 03:12:03,300
Thank you.

2205
03:12:04,040 --> 03:12:10,040
The question of the finances, when you say negotiate revenue shares, are you saying that

2206
03:12:10,040 --> 03:12:16,140
they're going to retain 50% of the property tax once we annex these, these islands?

2207
03:12:16,360 --> 03:12:18,780
Yeah, the way, so, and I think there is,

2208
03:12:18,780 --> 03:12:23,120
just on wiggle room there but there is an existing property tax share agreement from

2209
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:27,900
1980 and essentially says that and they have a list here they'll give what the property

2210
03:12:27,900 --> 03:12:34,020
taxes are for that particular island and they'll tell the city that is you get 50% of that

2211
03:12:34,020 --> 03:12:40,760
and a percent it would be 50% point eight one percent 50.01% the balance of it would

2212
03:12:40,760 --> 03:12:47,320
then go to the county still so that's how they've set this up it's an existing agreement

2213
03:12:47,320 --> 03:12:49,060
That's been a place for quite some time.

2214
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:51,400
I do think we can work with the county.

2215
03:12:52,360 --> 03:12:54,520
And if we should, the city's going to say,

2216
03:12:54,700 --> 03:12:55,860
and we have interest in doing this,

2217
03:12:56,000 --> 03:12:57,880
we want to be able to see what we can do with this property

2218
03:12:57,880 --> 03:12:58,640
to do here.

2219
03:12:58,740 --> 03:13:00,400
We have other pieces of land that we

2220
03:13:00,400 --> 03:13:02,540
annexed from the county that are currently under that agreement.

2221
03:13:02,760 --> 03:13:03,320
We're paying the bill.

2222
03:13:03,320 --> 03:13:05,740
The ones that were done in early 2000s,

2223
03:13:06,180 --> 03:13:07,560
they fell under that same agreement,

2224
03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:08,700
just according to the staff.

2225
03:13:08,860 --> 03:13:11,080
The other agreement, time bound, where at some point,

2226
03:13:11,340 --> 03:13:13,720
we absorb the full property tax of those lands.

2227
03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:14,420
Oh, believe so.

2228
03:13:14,540 --> 03:13:16,360
I think it can be a value of a creating

2229
03:13:16,360 --> 03:13:20,420
for the annex lands 20 years ago that we now

2230
03:13:20,420 --> 03:13:23,180
the share of the property tax value that we'd very see

2231
03:13:23,180 --> 03:13:27,160
you know why like what value are they creating for land that's already incorporated into

2232
03:13:27,160 --> 03:13:32,080
orange where we provide all the services that to that land for them to continue to take the property

2233
03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:36,360
tax. I'd have to find that so because we're providing the services and they're still continuing to

2234
03:13:36,360 --> 03:13:40,160
take the property. We understand all parts of orange that have been annexed

2235
03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:44,320
and where we still pay the county 50% of the property tax. Yeah we can

2236
03:13:44,320 --> 03:13:59,440
I think as a part of this, we should understand if this is a time-bound negotiation, where's the value that the county provides by absorbing half of the property tax as an agreement for any moving forward of these islands, too.

2237
03:14:05,740 --> 03:14:09,700
I think we need to understand the expenses per island as well.

2238
03:14:09,700 --> 03:14:20,760
So although I think we should engage the residents and get an understanding and a survey it would be good to know what expenses we would take on.

2239
03:14:21,340 --> 03:14:28,480
I think we know the revenue the expenses are within our control. We decide what we want to spend on.

2240
03:14:29,240 --> 03:14:33,820
So I think tree trimming was brought up. How does that impact the tree trimming contracts?

2241
03:14:33,820 --> 03:14:37,420
contracts, which I think that when it will go up as a result of more trees.

2242
03:14:38,280 --> 03:14:43,700
But things like policing and fire, we may or may not spend more money in that area.

2243
03:14:43,720 --> 03:14:51,520
If we absorb small islands and just make it a part of the existing service area, right?

2244
03:14:51,980 --> 03:14:55,980
So I do think that we have some things that we can control on the expense side.

2245
03:14:56,220 --> 03:14:59,060
And there's some things that are just going to be borne with picking them up.

2246
03:14:59,060 --> 03:14:59,960
So we move forward enough.

2247
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:06,820
All these, we should really have a clear understanding as to what those are as we go through these.

2248
03:15:09,640 --> 03:15:15,880
And then rena units, just so I'm clear, like if we were to absorb these kind of islands and they come

2249
03:15:15,880 --> 03:15:24,980
at 400 or 600 or whatever, at that point we can distribute it across the city. Or are they run with the land?

2250
03:15:25,460 --> 03:15:28,740
I think they would have to be assigned to that particular county island.

2251
03:15:28,920 --> 03:15:33,800
That's my understanding and the total is 1,383 that would come to the city.

2252
03:15:34,060 --> 03:15:40,360
If we were to annex all the county islands, but I can confirm if that could be spread out

2253
03:15:40,360 --> 03:15:43,480
or if it had to be tied to that particular county island.

2254
03:15:43,660 --> 03:15:48,300
Is this the part of an existing or an approved housing element with the county?

2255
03:15:48,760 --> 03:15:53,440
Yes, that's what they had remaining at the time that they gave us these numbers.

2256
03:15:53,440 --> 03:15:56,240
So this could change as we go and work with them.

2257
03:15:56,540 --> 03:16:00,120
They could have met some of these obligations and those numbers are no longer that high,

2258
03:16:00,760 --> 03:16:05,400
but we would find that out. But what they've told us and what was kind of new to us when we first

2259
03:16:05,400 --> 03:16:08,940
talked to them is that that would become a part of our obligation.

2260
03:16:10,660 --> 03:16:15,020
Can they just build those 400 units if they wanted to without the cities involvement?

2261
03:16:15,520 --> 03:16:17,300
We consider to talk to them about that. Yes.

2262
03:16:17,540 --> 03:16:22,560
Well, I guess my question is, is if they already have them approved, do we have any control over their

2263
03:16:22,560 --> 03:16:29,380
ability to build 400 homes in one of these islands if it's county owned and we can't

2264
03:16:29,380 --> 03:16:36,080
can we even influence their desire if we don't annex them and they already have 468 homes

2265
03:16:36,080 --> 03:16:43,000
assigned to the island can they go ahead under their own rules and regulations code etc by

2266
03:16:43,000 --> 03:16:49,020
past the city and just built I believe I can answer that track yes that would be correct

2267
03:16:49,020 --> 03:16:53,640
because it would be outside of the jurisdiction of the city of orange if it is not an

2268
03:16:53,640 --> 03:16:54,180
extent.

2269
03:16:54,760 --> 03:16:57,320
The billings, the units can be built.

2270
03:16:57,760 --> 03:17:04,240
Rina, number specifically, do not state that it has to be built, it's immediately, it's

2271
03:17:04,240 --> 03:17:08,480
simply plans ahead for those specific units in that section.

2272
03:17:08,840 --> 03:17:09,440
Yeah, I understand.

2273
03:17:09,980 --> 03:17:13,600
I think that's probably something we should consider, like when we look at each one

2274
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:14,080
of these.

2275
03:17:15,560 --> 03:17:25,700
So I just to summarize, I'm against OP A. I think we need to engage OP A and we need to understand the value proposition and they need to come to us and say we want to be a part of the city.

2276
03:17:26,520 --> 03:17:37,480
I think Lincoln goes all against the Santiago Creek, I guess. I'm for that, just need to understand the cost or why we bring it into the city.

2277
03:17:37,480 --> 03:17:45,300
The other two islands I'm for bringing in the sales tax generating part of all of heights but for the El Medina Islands

2278
03:17:45,300 --> 03:17:47,020
I would again

2279
03:17:47,940 --> 03:17:52,300
Riff refer back to I think they have their own identity. We need to understand

2280
03:17:52,300 --> 03:17:55,480
What they want and I think that's an important part of the process

2281
03:17:56,760 --> 03:17:59,140
Thank you council member council Mayor Demitru

2282
03:17:59,740 --> 03:18:05,760
Great actually going back to some you just asked about the county just being able to build they do go around us

2283
03:18:06,600 --> 03:18:12,500
for building. As a matter of fact, there's a project right now on Mark's way that was approved

2284
03:18:12,500 --> 03:18:17,560
by the County Planning Commission to build affordable units that really, because of the way

2285
03:18:17,560 --> 03:18:22,900
the law changed, it's just ministerial on our side and so they're putting up units without

2286
03:18:22,900 --> 03:18:29,780
parkinging and all kinds of other issues that we never really even got to see. So I have some

2287
03:18:29,780 --> 03:18:36,180
problems at whole. First, there needs to be a very clear descriptor when we reach out to

2288
03:18:37,520 --> 03:18:41,280
poll at some point, which that needs to occur first. I think you need to find out if there's

2289
03:18:41,280 --> 03:18:48,380
even interest, but it's not residents. It's actually property owners. Tenancy of our residents

2290
03:18:48,380 --> 03:18:55,340
does not give you the right to decide on annexation. Well, it's nice. That's not who actually

2291
03:18:55,340 --> 03:19:01,300
would end up being the deciding factor. It's actually the property owners, the somebody that's

2292
03:19:01,300 --> 03:19:06,720
living there today may move tomorrow, having answered in the affirmative order for the negative,

2293
03:19:06,780 --> 03:19:13,520
and that wouldn't be very, either way. The next portion is, I have big objections to, you know,

2294
03:19:13,520 --> 03:19:19,500
we can't meet our arena numbers now, and then absorbing a bunch as a real problem. So I think that's

2295
03:19:19,500 --> 03:19:27,100
That's a big issue that has to be worked out, and perhaps somehow kill it with the county

2296
03:19:27,100 --> 03:19:29,740
and tell them to put their numbers somewhere else.

2297
03:19:30,660 --> 03:19:31,540
I doubt that can happen.

2298
03:19:33,400 --> 03:19:39,300
I think, fiscally, it's right now, it's just irresponsible time to do this.

2299
03:19:40,180 --> 03:19:48,200
There are a lot of costs that we can just start at the beginning part with the staff working

2300
03:19:48,200 --> 03:19:53,040
to move this forward. But again, without reaching out to the property owners to really see

2301
03:19:53,040 --> 03:19:58,180
where we're at, if they're even interested, then we start looking at the stressors if there

2302
03:19:58,180 --> 03:19:59,940
There is a...

2303
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,680
If there is an actual annexation, the stressors that we have, we don't have enough police now on

2304
03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:10,060
our street, we don't have, you know, that those actions all pile up and then we're starting

2305
03:20:10,060 --> 03:20:18,160
to add responsible areas, responsible responses, crime prevention, our code enforcement,

2306
03:20:18,360 --> 03:20:24,720
our policing, and actually we would have to look at what we're having success with our

2307
03:20:24,720 --> 03:20:28,580
We'll have to look at expanding that to service new islands.

2308
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:35,140
Again, I think it's already been said enough, but the all of heights,

2309
03:20:36,120 --> 03:20:39,240
El Medina, Orch Park acres have identities,

2310
03:20:39,920 --> 03:20:43,100
that I don't think should be lost.

2311
03:20:43,420 --> 03:20:45,460
And I think when you move in with the city,

2312
03:20:45,920 --> 03:20:48,660
and we start sharing a bed, those identities are immediately lost.

2313
03:20:49,300 --> 03:20:51,440
Especially in OPA, you lose that rural feeling.

2314
03:20:51,680 --> 03:20:52,760
It's going to be gone immediately.

2315
03:20:53,360 --> 03:21:04,880
So I think that's a, that is a danger that I don't want to see happen and towards, again, going back towards infrastructure costs.

2316
03:21:05,900 --> 03:21:06,460
That's significant.

2317
03:21:06,800 --> 03:21:14,120
And let's just remember how the county has already gotten their way with us and we've been disadvantaged.

2318
03:21:14,120 --> 03:21:19,880
when the Fairhaven Islands, Coli Drive, Canal and Hymerias were all adopted or brought into

2319
03:21:19,880 --> 03:21:21,460
the city through annexation.

2320
03:21:21,900 --> 03:21:28,440
We were promised money for infrastructure improvement, which included sewer connections.

2321
03:21:28,780 --> 03:21:30,520
And those still haven't happened in some areas.

2322
03:21:31,480 --> 03:21:33,100
And that money has been long spent.

2323
03:21:34,580 --> 03:21:38,960
So the truth is the county will not meet the total cost.

2324
03:21:39,060 --> 03:21:40,020
It just isn't going to happen.

2325
03:21:40,160 --> 03:21:41,460
And it's no fault of their own.

2326
03:21:42,180 --> 03:21:50,340
They're going to say, hey, this is what the cost is and we're going to come back and the project will be 10 times the amount whenever it ends up happening.

2327
03:21:50,600 --> 03:21:52,400
So that's a danger as well.

2328
03:21:52,960 --> 03:21:57,960
I remember when we had this at our strategic meeting, I was the one that didn't put the little sticker on the thing.

2329
03:21:59,980 --> 03:22:05,080
I think the only one worth pursuing, if we were to pursue anything.

2330
03:22:05,080 --> 03:22:10,240
So I'm a no across the board with the exception of the Santiago bond to pits.

2331
03:22:10,500 --> 03:22:14,660
I don't see really anything that's effective there, and it has great fishing.

2332
03:22:17,020 --> 03:22:19,120
I've been chased out of there, so.

2333
03:22:21,260 --> 03:22:21,880
Thank you.

2334
03:22:22,080 --> 03:22:22,840
Council member Barrios?

2335
03:22:24,900 --> 03:22:25,720
Yes, thank you.

2336
03:22:26,400 --> 03:22:31,180
I've heard everybody talking specifically about like absolutely no to Lincoln and go sell.

2337
03:22:31,280 --> 03:22:35,260
And I just wanted to, you know, bring up one point about that.

2338
03:22:35,260 --> 03:22:43,740
So the family, the archaenable owners, they own all of this land that is county land from

2339
03:22:43,740 --> 03:22:44,360
top to bottom.

2340
03:22:46,770 --> 03:22:52,670
I have to pull, I think it's the majority land or there may be small parcels in there owned

2341
03:22:52,670 --> 03:22:54,570
by a separate entity but I have to confirm that.

2342
03:22:54,890 --> 03:23:00,810
The reason I bring this up is just to not to get stuck in the here and now and to think

2343
03:23:00,810 --> 03:23:06,130
a little bigger because this is above what is going to become the largest land development

2344
03:23:06,130 --> 03:23:09,150
in North Orange County, O.C. Vibe.

2345
03:23:09,730 --> 03:23:12,270
So are we being at all shortsighted by saying,

2346
03:23:12,330 --> 03:23:13,270
well, the family doesn't want it,

2347
03:23:13,370 --> 03:23:14,590
so we're not gonna talk about it.

2348
03:23:14,890 --> 03:23:17,330
You know, when we could talk about it,

2349
03:23:17,330 --> 03:23:20,750
in a sense of, this could have a lot of strategic value,

2350
03:23:21,010 --> 03:23:23,450
going forward being above O.C. Vibe,

2351
03:23:23,450 --> 03:23:26,330
at least the river part that's like crossing over the river

2352
03:23:26,330 --> 03:23:29,770
and above all of the oranohan coves and all of that.

2353
03:23:30,290 --> 03:23:32,950
So I just, since the way you,

2354
03:23:32,950 --> 03:23:38,510
I'm going to borrow your word, Laurel, mentioned sequencing, since the sequencing that you've

2355
03:23:38,510 --> 03:23:45,450
suggested, Jack, is that we would have these conversations in formal, not-lafco-involved

2356
03:23:45,450 --> 03:23:50,990
so that we could understand a little bit better what it is that we're actually talking about

2357
03:23:50,990 --> 03:23:56,290
with annexation, and it's not to say that we wouldn't do a poll or survey residents, but that

2358
03:23:56,290 --> 03:24:04,030
come later once we are we ourselves are educated and we did educate them to about what what it is we

2359
03:24:04,030 --> 03:24:11,810
have to do and what is our ability to do because we don't know we have no idea. I would my recommendation

2360
03:24:11,810 --> 03:24:17,270
would be that we've not moved forward on that until say January or February of next year when

2361
03:24:17,270 --> 03:24:22,950
you know about the sales tax and whether you have because while I think this sequencing with this

2362
03:24:22,950 --> 03:24:26,730
The seminary, Mr. City Manager, is not a lot of costs.

2363
03:24:26,730 --> 03:24:34,430
It would be a lot of staff time for Jack and for Natalie to really look in and dive in

2364
03:24:34,430 --> 03:24:39,010
in a land use and what are the ordinances that are different from one to another.

2365
03:24:40,050 --> 03:24:43,030
Mr. White, whether you and I've talked about this, it's been a long time, but we've talked

2366
03:24:43,030 --> 03:24:48,650
about this at great length, and I could see why everybody would be against it right off

2367
03:24:48,650 --> 03:24:54,830
bad, but I do think for whether it's for this council or future council's understanding what it means,

2368
03:24:55,810 --> 03:24:59,930
and having that so that if anybody else in the future says, why don't we just do this?

2369
03:25:00,460 --> 03:25:05,380
Finally, we have a report, and it's all here of exactly what that would take, because we don't have that.

2370
03:25:05,900 --> 03:25:13,200
And the other reason I look at the Lincoln and Glacell one is because none of us were around at the time,

2371
03:25:13,380 --> 03:25:18,360
a main place small was a county island, and Orange had the chance to annex it.

2372
03:25:18,560 --> 03:25:23,160
And we just said, oh no, that'd be too much. So, and we lost that opportunity.

2373
03:25:23,160 --> 03:25:30,600
So, we should always be thinking in much bigger, in a much bigger sense, have the information

2374
03:25:30,600 --> 03:25:36,440
rather than not have it, and work with these separate neighborhoods to really understand

2375
03:25:36,440 --> 03:25:38,760
them and understand what it would take.

2376
03:25:39,240 --> 03:25:44,620
So, I do like the idea of a preliminary, more informal discussion, but for the time it

2377
03:25:44,620 --> 03:25:47,860
will take and for what it will take away for what you would need to do for it.

2378
03:25:47,860 --> 03:25:54,420
I would just ask that you wait and see if you have the resources to do even that, and

2379
03:25:54,420 --> 03:25:59,140
but definitely not go to Lafgo or any of that until you have that preliminary understanding.

2380
03:26:02,800 --> 03:26:04,340
I have a very low timbilito.

2381
03:26:07,470 --> 03:26:08,070
Oh, I'm up.

2382
03:26:08,910 --> 03:26:09,610
Just briefly,

2383
03:26:12,360 --> 03:26:17,880
to respond to Council and Barrios, that area you see at Lincoln in Glacell, that's

2384
03:26:17,880 --> 03:26:18,240
just north.

2385
03:26:18,320 --> 03:26:19,880
That's owned by the Orange County Water District.

2386
03:26:20,940 --> 03:26:29,960
In fee, the water district owns the sand and river right away in fee from Imperial Highway all the way down to the railroad

2387
03:26:29,960 --> 03:26:32,300
Tressel that's just south of Ball Road.

2388
03:26:33,260 --> 03:26:35,960
So just to clear that up.

2389
03:26:36,040 --> 03:26:38,980
Secondly, to answer council member, Gill and Hammer.

2390
03:26:39,620 --> 03:26:48,620
I know that 50-50 tax split might sound astounding, but you got to remember that the county of Orange provides many regional services to the public, including

2391
03:26:49,660 --> 03:26:56,220
The assessor, the property tax assessor, the audit controller, the clerk recorder, the district attorney's office,

2392
03:26:56,860 --> 03:27:02,900
the public defender's office, the treasure tax collector, child support services, the health care agency,

2393
03:27:03,960 --> 03:27:10,040
O.C. Community Resources, which has the regional parks under them, the Solcer Service Agency,

2394
03:27:12,500 --> 03:27:16,560
and the Registrar voters, and that's what their 50% of the tax income is used for.

2395
03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:22,000
to operate all of those entities that serve the entire public at Orange County, and that's

2396
03:27:22,000 --> 03:27:23,680
all I have to say about that.

2397
03:27:24,260 --> 03:27:28,460
Thank you, Mayor Pro Temp, back to you, Councilmember Gillen, ever.

2398
03:27:30,100 --> 03:27:33,140
Do other orange residents benefit from those services?

2399
03:27:35,440 --> 03:27:39,600
If you're a bit prosecuted, then you benefit, because you get a public defense if you can't

2400
03:27:39,600 --> 03:27:40,180
afford it.

2401
03:27:40,560 --> 03:27:44,880
Yeah, I mean, all of those are regional entities that serve everyone at Orange County.

2402
03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:52,620
do a job in airport. I should mention totally get that do other orange city residents pay 50% of the property

2403
03:27:52,620 --> 03:27:58,140
tax yeah there's a property tax plan and everybody's it's the same it's the same it's your

2404
03:27:58,140 --> 03:28:04,060
big witness that this was a scheme that was set up in the eighties that sort of memorialized hey this

2405
03:28:04,060 --> 03:28:08,290
is how it's going to be going forward okay so there's no difference there's no difference okay that's

2406
03:28:09,030 --> 03:28:21,290
As Mr. Morgan stated, you could go in and potentially negotiate a special deal because sometimes there's a fire sale going on and the county wants to get out of the island business.

2407
03:28:22,150 --> 03:28:29,450
And I've seen that over the years at the county I'm working in the various departments and anything's negotiable.

2408
03:28:29,890 --> 03:28:36,470
But that is the reason because the county operates a lot of a lot of agencies that are for the benefit of the whole public.

2409
03:28:36,470 --> 03:28:41,750
Okay, so that makes sense to me that's the same property tax split that anyone else pays in the wish

2410
03:28:41,750 --> 03:28:44,930
Then that makes sense to me. That's that was my question. Yep

2411
03:28:45,830 --> 03:28:52,290
My my actual question was the Santiago. We have one other county Island. We have the Santiago Canyon

2412
03:28:52,290 --> 03:28:58,890
dump site or former dump site and operating from 68 to mid-90s stopped

2413
03:29:00,530 --> 03:29:06,910
You know, stop taking trash in at that point, and then it's been in, like, a venting program

2414
03:29:06,910 --> 03:29:08,890
for a long time.

2415
03:29:10,130 --> 03:29:10,850
What about that?

2416
03:29:11,150 --> 03:29:12,370
I can ask sociolafko.

2417
03:29:12,430 --> 03:29:18,110
I know we've talked to them about trying to improve that site, potentially for park uses, and

2418
03:29:18,910 --> 03:29:23,490
they've taken it all the way up to their director, and there just has not been an interest there.

2419
03:29:23,530 --> 03:29:27,390
They have concerns from a health perspective, but we can certainly ask them.

2420
03:29:27,390 --> 03:29:28,190
It seems that's available.

2421
03:29:29,450 --> 03:29:31,910
Right now, from based on what OSU lab goes showing us,

2422
03:29:32,070 --> 03:29:35,490
it's just not listed as a county island in Orange,

2423
03:29:35,670 --> 03:29:37,610
but we can always talk to them about that.

2424
03:29:37,850 --> 03:29:41,830
No, it's county owned, but it's already within the city's

2425
03:29:41,830 --> 03:29:42,150
jurisdiction.

2426
03:29:43,710 --> 03:29:44,450
Got it.

2427
03:29:44,890 --> 03:29:45,810
OK, that makes sense.

2428
03:29:45,870 --> 03:29:48,590
Can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can,

2429
03:29:48,590 --> 03:29:49,270
can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can, can.

2430
03:29:50,550 --> 03:29:54,190
So although not specific to this discussion, I think we should do

2431
03:29:54,190 --> 03:29:57,250
something or continue to work with them to figure out

2432
03:29:57,250 --> 03:29:59,970
for that land, at this point the venting for most.

2433
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,960
So those landfills has already been done. So I would assume this one's got to be close, right? So just keep working with them.

2434
03:30:09,870 --> 03:30:10,250
All right.

2435
03:30:13,240 --> 03:30:19,340
Well, actually, Councillor Guterres, you were up earlier, did you want to go ahead of me? All right.

2436
03:30:19,980 --> 03:30:30,860
So, sorry with the question on the bond pits. You may be two or three owners there, but when it comes to actually voting,

2437
03:30:30,860 --> 03:30:38,500
It's only people that live have residency in any island that actually just makes credit

2438
03:30:38,500 --> 03:30:44,140
But it or if it's if it's not inhabited then it's going to be who essentially has the lion's share of

2439
03:30:44,680 --> 03:30:47,920
Who owns the most of the sets value of the property?

2440
03:30:48,120 --> 03:30:54,940
I think in that case it would likely be the Orange County Water District. All right, good. Thank you

2441
03:30:54,940 --> 03:30:56,880
Anyway, I'm glad to see this

2442
03:30:56,880 --> 03:30:58,720
Come up for discussion

2443
03:30:58,720 --> 03:31:06,220
And you know, when I look at the county islands and orange, it looks like a really bad Swiss

2444
03:31:06,220 --> 03:31:06,940
cheese.

2445
03:31:08,180 --> 03:31:16,680
In fact, a really, really bad Swiss cheese and the county islands quite frankly the way I

2446
03:31:16,680 --> 03:31:24,160
see it are the poster children for the most government and efficiency that exists in the

2447
03:31:24,160 --> 03:31:32,720
county where you have the olive heights, I mean there's no county islands anywhere near there

2448
03:31:32,720 --> 03:31:38,600
so the county has to come in all the way in just to provide police and fire services

2449
03:31:38,600 --> 03:31:45,220
and I'm sure it's probably covered by our fire just because we're there but you know police

2450
03:31:45,220 --> 03:31:51,920
services and they share a fast to come in it's it's really really ridiculous in my opinion

2451
03:31:51,920 --> 03:31:55,600
and extreme government efficiency as worse.

2452
03:31:57,400 --> 03:32:02,420
So that being said, here's kind of how I see the islands.

2453
03:32:02,900 --> 03:32:05,060
I'm going to start with orange park acres.

2454
03:32:06,140 --> 03:32:09,020
I think we should exclude that for now.

2455
03:32:09,640 --> 03:32:14,080
I think the first process that needs to take place there is we need to reach out

2456
03:32:14,080 --> 03:32:16,400
to these residents and have a discussion.

2457
03:32:16,400 --> 03:32:24,940
They need to know that we don't care that to change their situation with regard to their animals.

2458
03:32:25,500 --> 03:32:31,380
It's been that way for a hundred years. Why not stay that way? I don't care.

2459
03:32:32,900 --> 03:32:37,520
They need to know that we don't want to change their lifestyle. We want to preserve it.

2460
03:32:37,580 --> 03:32:40,880
In fact, maybe we can help them enhance it somehow.

2461
03:32:41,660 --> 03:32:43,780
Again, all for discussion,

2462
03:32:45,880 --> 03:32:48,860
we need to talk about the maintenance of the

2463
03:32:48,860 --> 03:32:50,180
Creege and the Creege.

2464
03:32:50,380 --> 03:32:54,300
We need to talk about sewer connections.

2465
03:32:54,500 --> 03:32:58,980
We need to talk about trash service, maybe we can provide them with more

2466
03:32:58,980 --> 03:33:02,200
affordable trash service because I understand that's a problem.

2467
03:33:03,520 --> 03:33:10,380
So I would suggest we put that one aside and start with a discussion with the

2468
03:33:10,380 --> 03:33:17,040
leaders in orange park acres and ultimately we may decide that's just it's just not in the

2469
03:33:17,040 --> 03:33:26,540
cards and that's fine you know they should live in peace and in harmony going up to the

2470
03:33:26,540 --> 03:33:37,300
Lincoln and go sell I don't see that the need right now to pursue that I think it's it's fine

2471
03:33:37,300 --> 03:33:50,780
It's Councilmember Barrio said, you know, we don't want to miss an opportunity in the future, certainly, but for the present time, I don't, I tend to agree with what I'm hearing from my colleagues to let that one go.

2472
03:33:52,140 --> 03:34:02,600
The, um, all of heights, again, I mean, is this the 1800s? I mean, good grief. I mean, here's an island still sitting up there.

2473
03:34:02,600 --> 03:34:06,280
Sure, let them keep it the way they want.

2474
03:34:06,740 --> 03:34:07,520
I don't care.

2475
03:34:08,240 --> 03:34:11,440
But again, to have county services have to come all the way

2476
03:34:11,440 --> 03:34:15,060
in to service that island is inefficient.

2477
03:34:16,600 --> 03:34:20,500
The bond pits, I think that's the clearest,

2478
03:34:22,360 --> 03:34:24,880
that's a no-brainer in my book.

2479
03:34:25,460 --> 03:34:28,320
That is a beautiful, beautiful open space

2480
03:34:28,320 --> 03:34:30,280
is described by the Mayor of Pro Tem.

2481
03:34:30,900 --> 03:34:34,180
That would be a crown jewel to have in the city of Orange,

2482
03:34:34,300 --> 03:34:37,220
especially along our Sandial Creek corridor.

2483
03:34:38,740 --> 03:34:40,720
The water district maintains it.

2484
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:43,420
The water district sounds like we'd probably appreciate

2485
03:34:43,420 --> 03:34:48,300
the city taking some responsibility for policing there.

2486
03:34:48,820 --> 03:34:53,000
There's not a lot there, and it's a lot of wildlife and birds.

2487
03:34:53,340 --> 03:34:54,500
It's quite beautiful.

2488
03:34:55,980 --> 03:34:59,780
And then we get down to the, uh, to Eladina Islands.

2489
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:10,140
That, really, to me, is the reason why we need to do this. And I'm anxious to hear your announcement. Good to hear us as to say about that.

2490
03:35:11,200 --> 03:35:26,460
But to me, those islands have been a problem, quite frankly, for the city. They're still an active gang there, or more than one.

2491
03:35:26,460 --> 03:35:37,960
There's code enforcement problems, the galore, graffiti, all the time, and it spreads out from that area and impacts the immediate orange neighborhoods.

2492
03:35:40,220 --> 03:35:45,780
Again, maybe there's something that may be make El Medina special.

2493
03:35:47,160 --> 03:35:54,980
Maybe let them have more of a design standards that are more suitable for El Medina's history.

2494
03:35:55,640 --> 03:36:17,320
may be recognized as culture, but it seems to me that if we looked at Almadina islands at the same time, which might be a negative as far as revenue, and we looked at all of heights at the same time, it might be a gain as far as revenue.

2495
03:36:17,320 --> 03:36:33,320
I think we need to all put it all in the mix, and so I have a motion that I worked on with the city manager that I'll just write it up to flag pull and we can massage it or think about it.

2496
03:36:34,200 --> 03:36:47,040
But just for discussion sake, I'm going to move that the city council direct the city manager to pursue annexation of the Almadina, North Almadina, all of Hives.

2497
03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:54,400
and San Diego Creek Bonpett County Islands into the city of Orange and to undertake the due

2498
03:36:54,400 --> 03:37:02,480
diligence, negotiations, technical studies, and coordination with Orange County Lafco,

2499
03:37:02,820 --> 03:37:10,040
the county of Orange, affected service providers, and other agency necessary to advance the

2500
03:37:10,040 --> 03:37:17,020
annexations. I'd further move that staff shall fully evaluate and address the

2501
03:37:17,020 --> 03:37:20,780
fiscal, infrastructure, service delivery,

2502
03:37:21,620 --> 03:37:25,860
property tax, land use, environmental, legal,

2503
03:37:26,420 --> 03:37:29,700
and transition issues associated with the annexations

2504
03:37:29,700 --> 03:37:33,120
and seek terms that protect the city's financial

2505
03:37:33,120 --> 03:37:35,300
and operational interests.

2506
03:37:36,480 --> 03:37:39,120
Stascial advances work over the next six months.

2507
03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:40,680
They return to the city council.

2508
03:37:41,320 --> 03:37:43,220
By the way, we want to, by then,

2509
03:37:43,220 --> 03:37:45,360
seeing if we are going to have the sales tax

2510
03:37:45,360 --> 03:37:46,580
have passed or not.

2511
03:37:46,900 --> 03:37:52,340
Statial advances work over the next six months, and we turn to the City Council, no later than

2512
03:37:52,340 --> 03:38:00,680
February of 27 with an update recommended terms, and any actions or approvals necessary

2513
03:38:01,200 --> 03:38:05,540
to continue and complete the annexation process.

2514
03:38:07,100 --> 03:38:08,460
And a second, that mayor.

2515
03:38:08,920 --> 03:38:11,300
Okay, we'll now move it.

2516
03:38:12,800 --> 03:38:17,640
And further discussion, I would appreciate from the council.

2517
03:38:18,240 --> 03:38:20,080
This is important steps.

2518
03:38:20,740 --> 03:38:22,640
But first, council member, good tears.

2519
03:38:24,660 --> 03:38:25,220
Thank you, Mayor.

2520
03:38:26,460 --> 03:38:28,080
So thank you, I listened to all my colleagues.

2521
03:38:28,380 --> 03:38:31,900
I wanted to listen to everybody had to say, and as you all know,

2522
03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:34,480
that this is something that is near and dear to my heart,

2523
03:38:35,180 --> 03:38:38,160
since when we first started on here in 2021.

2524
03:38:38,160 --> 03:38:45,360
want. And so I appreciate that we're looking at all our islands in the

2525
03:38:45,360 --> 03:38:51,280
well, our city. And as I feel about the islands in my immediate

2526
03:38:51,280 --> 03:38:55,320
neighborhood, as the way Councilor Tauvelar is feels about her, that

2527
03:38:55,320 --> 03:39:02,620
neighborhood. And your neighborhood as well. And you're right, I'm

2528
03:39:02,620 --> 03:39:06,130
the in a has it's own identity, but it's been split into two. But we're

2529
03:39:06,130 --> 03:39:13,230
We keep the same identity, we're half as in the city, half as in corporate, but we all speak the same language.

2530
03:39:13,570 --> 03:39:17,050
We're the same both sides and you've cut us in half.

2531
03:39:17,670 --> 03:39:20,910
And why I was done doesn't make sense, so we need to be whole.

2532
03:39:21,110 --> 03:39:22,490
That's the number one thing.

2533
03:39:23,010 --> 03:39:29,390
And I have no problem doing a survey, but I know a lot of my residents that live in unincorporated.

2534
03:39:29,570 --> 03:39:35,730
A lot of them are my faculty, a lot of them are friends and people that I've known for ages.

2535
03:39:35,730 --> 03:39:38,250
And they feel like they're part of the city of Orange.

2536
03:39:38,290 --> 03:39:40,330
They're going to realize that they're unincorporated.

2537
03:39:40,710 --> 03:39:42,630
And when they are, they question why they're not.

2538
03:39:43,070 --> 03:39:48,530
And that fluidity of services, of continuity is much needed.

2539
03:39:48,830 --> 03:39:53,510
Because you can't be driving up Hughes and hit Spring Street and you're in the county,

2540
03:39:53,830 --> 03:39:56,090
and then you hit Chapman and you're in the city.

2541
03:39:56,630 --> 03:39:59,970
And all kinds of different things occur in that continuity needs.

2542
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:13,100
We need to have them because things happen at La Careta and those residents that live on Pearl Street want to complain and don't get any help, neither from the county, and either from the city because there's this, we don't know where it belongs to.

2543
03:40:13,740 --> 03:40:23,420
So, those things need to be clarified and if you're going down rails, you're, again, half of rails is in the county and half is in the city.

2544
03:40:23,420 --> 03:40:29,200
And so you've got residents that, when you get to the county part, they're using such

2545
03:40:29,200 --> 03:40:32,260
such trash and on the other side of the city, where is that continuity?

2546
03:40:32,780 --> 03:40:34,560
It needs to be unified.

2547
03:40:35,600 --> 03:40:42,020
And so to say that El Medina is giving you low property tax and all of the heights is giving

2548
03:40:42,020 --> 03:40:43,320
you fantastic sales tax.

2549
03:40:43,320 --> 03:40:44,000
That's true.

2550
03:40:44,400 --> 03:40:48,660
But all of the heights, property tax is low than El Medina's property tax.

2551
03:40:50,280 --> 03:40:52,720
And Almedina is going to give you some sales tax.

2552
03:40:52,900 --> 03:40:53,780
Not going to be even done.

2553
03:40:54,180 --> 03:40:56,760
We do have a little bit of commercial in the county pocket there.

2554
03:40:56,980 --> 03:40:59,380
We've got boil local, we've got Chase,

2555
03:40:59,780 --> 03:41:01,260
I mean Chase probably doesn't give us anything,

2556
03:41:01,500 --> 03:41:03,660
but we'll boil local, bring some quite a bit.

2557
03:41:04,240 --> 03:41:07,920
And we had the feed store and now they're doing something else there.

2558
03:41:08,460 --> 03:41:09,840
And we're getting some sales tax.

2559
03:41:09,980 --> 03:41:11,060
And you're getting nothing.

2560
03:41:13,060 --> 03:41:16,860
And if we add it, you'll also, I don't know, I guess services don't count.

2561
03:41:16,860 --> 03:41:20,780
because the more cherry also services is county.

2562
03:41:21,400 --> 03:41:23,740
How, you know, I'm sorry, the church is,

2563
03:41:24,420 --> 03:41:26,400
but yet the more cherry is city.

2564
03:41:26,520 --> 03:41:27,140
Doesn't make sense.

2565
03:41:27,240 --> 03:41:29,480
We took up when we annexed El Medina,

2566
03:41:30,140 --> 03:41:31,440
and I'm not talking North El Medina,

2567
03:41:31,580 --> 03:41:33,880
because North El Medina is not El Medina proper.

2568
03:41:34,720 --> 03:41:36,680
So when you're talking about El Medina,

2569
03:41:37,280 --> 03:41:39,720
and we annexed it, we made sure to take up

2570
03:41:39,720 --> 03:41:40,640
all the good commercial.

2571
03:41:41,120 --> 03:41:42,480
I mean, we even took the more cherry,

2572
03:41:43,060 --> 03:41:45,060
but didn't take the church, doesn't make sense.

2573
03:41:45,060 --> 03:41:49,140
So again, you're right, we all have our own identity, but

2574
03:41:49,140 --> 03:41:53,360
Palmedina has been intact the entire time, but you've cut us in half.

2575
03:41:53,820 --> 03:41:54,820
And we need to be meeting whole.

2576
03:41:55,380 --> 03:42:00,980
And I would love to bring in North Elmina because that's also very strange when we talk about continuity

2577
03:42:00,980 --> 03:42:03,000
of lines and services.

2578
03:42:03,660 --> 03:42:04,900
And it doesn't make sense.

2579
03:42:05,220 --> 03:42:10,440
Those people that live in North Elmina have issues with things happening on

2580
03:42:10,440 --> 03:42:15,640
street and they can't get any help because county doesn't not out their regularity

2581
03:42:17,140 --> 03:42:23,340
with their with their my thinking right now not public works but coming out to

2582
03:42:23,340 --> 03:42:26,300
regulate what's going on with these big trucks that are parking what is going on

2583
03:42:26,300 --> 03:42:31,580
with the sales of the of the vendors on the corner and a person that's coming

2584
03:42:31,580 --> 03:42:34,940
from orange park acres is going to complain to the city hey why is there a vendor

2585
03:42:34,940 --> 03:42:38,360
there why are these big trucks they're not knowing that doesn't belong to the city

2586
03:42:38,360 --> 03:42:44,920
orange. So those are all things that would help us all with our services. And again, I appreciate

2587
03:42:44,920 --> 03:42:50,900
Council Member Tomolar saying that she wants to study her area. And we should all want to study

2588
03:42:50,900 --> 03:42:55,320
all these areas. And to say you're not willing to study El Medina, but you're willing to study

2589
03:42:55,320 --> 03:43:02,000
all of heights as a little bit of an insult to me, Mayor Pro Tem. So I would appreciate a study to

2590
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:07,740
all of them, right? Obviously, OPA doesn't want to be in it. So that's fine. I'm completely fine

2591
03:43:07,740 --> 03:43:14,740
without, but I would appreciate to be fair and study all of the islands that we've talked

2592
03:43:14,740 --> 03:43:15,500
about.

2593
03:43:15,780 --> 03:43:19,300
I mean, I think, wow, it was a bon pits I wouldn't even thought about bringing that

2594
03:43:19,300 --> 03:43:20,080
into the city.

2595
03:43:20,500 --> 03:43:27,340
I mean, but wow, if we could have that additional open space and water fantastic, but we

2596
03:43:27,340 --> 03:43:29,780
need to help people, that's what we're here about service.

2597
03:43:30,220 --> 03:43:35,180
And if I want to keep the art my identity where I live, then I need to bring in that other

2598
03:43:35,180 --> 03:43:41,900
into the city because it's much needed and overdue and I want to know when we

2599
03:43:41,900 --> 03:43:48,060
annexed back in 2002 you were on council. You were and when we brought in the

2600
03:43:48,060 --> 03:43:52,100
11 county islands who was on council mayor.

2601
03:43:53,320 --> 03:43:59,860
I came in in December of 2002 who you were, Dennis wasn't here.

2602
03:43:59,860 --> 03:44:00,740
Okay.

2603
03:44:00,860 --> 03:44:02,760
Tells of our borrowers was here.

2604
03:44:02,800 --> 03:44:03,600
No, not true.

2605
03:44:03,900 --> 03:44:05,000
And 2002.

2606
03:44:05,160 --> 03:44:05,700
Oh, I'm sorry.

2607
03:44:06,020 --> 03:44:06,400
Oh, two.

2608
03:44:06,680 --> 03:44:07,040
Joe, I know.

2609
03:44:07,260 --> 03:44:08,860
It was Joe in, yeah, Mark.

2610
03:44:09,200 --> 03:44:10,240
I went off like.

2611
03:44:11,980 --> 03:44:12,160
Yeah, no.

2612
03:44:12,160 --> 03:44:14,760
Yeah, but I mean, you might have been in the discussions

2613
03:44:14,760 --> 03:44:15,440
of whatever.

2614
03:44:15,940 --> 03:44:19,400
And when those 11 county islands were brought in,

2615
03:44:19,560 --> 03:44:22,240
I'm certain that all the same thing was discussed, right?

2616
03:44:23,180 --> 03:44:25,000
That people cost money.

2617
03:44:25,340 --> 03:44:29,000
It's going to be a net negative, but yet you did it.

2618
03:44:29,000 --> 03:44:35,700
Why now? Why is it so difficult to bring in these last few remaining islands, right?

2619
03:44:35,960 --> 03:44:43,440
All of heights people, the El Medina, North El Medina, I understand, OPA is a rare gem,

2620
03:44:44,000 --> 03:44:51,900
but they again need to be involved in the conversation and I have been asked by a lot of people in the

2621
03:44:51,900 --> 03:44:56,360
El Medina area when are we going to be annexed? Why aren't we in the city?

2622
03:44:56,360 --> 03:44:59,980
That doesn't make sense. How would I get help? They call me asking for help and I have to

2623
03:45:01,140 --> 03:45:10,440
So, I agree. Let's do a study. Anna, I also agree if there's a survey. Why not? So, I didn't even know

2624
03:45:10,440 --> 03:45:16,680
that Santiago Creek was an island. So, I'm completely fine. Do we need a study and all of them?

2625
03:45:16,920 --> 03:45:23,880
But to pick at a fact that Melody does not have any property tax. That's a little bit of an insult.

2626
03:45:24,220 --> 03:45:28,100
And I would appreciate that we do include it.

2627
03:45:28,740 --> 03:45:35,220
Well, we'll find out, and as the passionate speech I was looking for, Council Member Gillin

2628
03:45:35,220 --> 03:45:35,560
Hour.

2629
03:45:36,380 --> 03:45:42,340
Yes, Mayor, this is my last question, is the survey piece, it wasn't in your motion.

2630
03:45:43,320 --> 03:45:48,360
Would you be okay adding just part of this to be an actual survey of these areas?

2631
03:45:49,360 --> 03:45:55,280
OPAs organized, they're here, they've made their, you know, their desires known, they're

2632
03:45:55,280 --> 03:45:56,520
removed from this motion.

2633
03:45:56,520 --> 03:46:02,760
like residents and some of these other areas may not have the organization, they may feel a certain way.

2634
03:46:02,980 --> 03:46:04,520
They may not have been able to get here today.

2635
03:46:04,940 --> 03:46:08,060
The size of OPA also dictates a completely different approach.

2636
03:46:09,080 --> 03:46:10,380
But I hope you age not in the motion.

2637
03:46:11,040 --> 03:46:13,520
I don't, I don't think it's because they're organized in here in communicating.

2638
03:46:14,500 --> 03:46:18,960
But to give other residents an opportunity, can we include just a survey?

2639
03:46:19,540 --> 03:46:19,640
Kathy.

2640
03:46:20,500 --> 03:46:22,020
I'm sorry to interrupt you.

2641
03:46:22,040 --> 03:46:23,920
Why don't we turn that around into community engagement?

2642
03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:28,300
it because what the city manager said, I think it's the business I'm going to tell you

2643
03:46:28,300 --> 03:46:32,980
ask a question sometimes and the survey can ask a question like, do you like rain?

2644
03:46:34,420 --> 03:46:38,640
And I think that, if we go in face to face and have, that's a very different discussion.

2645
03:46:38,860 --> 03:46:40,140
So I would say community engagement.

2646
03:46:40,340 --> 03:46:44,860
I think that's where you're going to get some of the interesting things that Councilwoman

2647
03:46:44,860 --> 03:46:46,540
because here I talked about with her area.

2648
03:46:49,060 --> 03:46:51,220
I would just counter that with that.

2649
03:46:51,220 --> 03:47:07,220
As the maker of the motion, I would say we need to do community outreach, but at a formal survey I don't think would be by the right approach, but I'm happy to hear what my colleagues have to say about it.

2650
03:47:07,220 --> 03:47:14,340
Councillor Mayer to meet you again mayor I'm going to advocate for that survey I think it's

2651
03:47:14,340 --> 03:47:21,660
important just this item alone tonight the public all the different county islands at six

2652
03:47:21,660 --> 03:47:27,840
days got published Thursday afternoon and then they have today that's that's just not the right

2653
03:47:27,840 --> 03:47:34,940
way to do business it's almost like you know a hostile takeover really and I appreciate actually

2654
03:47:34,940 --> 03:47:38,440
I appreciate Council Member Gutierrez's speech.

2655
03:47:38,640 --> 03:47:40,820
I think it's exactly what you said.

2656
03:47:40,980 --> 03:47:42,540
It's the passion we all look for,

2657
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:47,040
but we do need to still survey the property owners

2658
03:47:47,040 --> 03:47:50,940
to ensure that before we start chasing anything,

2659
03:47:51,960 --> 03:47:54,520
that we're not gonna just spend staff time,

2660
03:47:55,620 --> 03:47:58,020
spend fiscal resources that are critical right now.

2661
03:47:58,080 --> 03:48:01,860
We don't have extra money to just spend,

2662
03:48:03,020 --> 03:48:08,640
that we don't waste those funds and if it ends up being a non-starter.

2663
03:48:10,160 --> 03:48:13,820
So I think the actual surveys and important aspect.

2664
03:48:14,820 --> 03:48:15,820
I also remember tellers.

2665
03:48:22,860 --> 03:48:27,960
To find out what's there and then we can decide, do some engagement and then we can know what questions

2666
03:48:27,960 --> 03:48:32,540
to ask in the survey instead of do like it to rain or do like it to sunshine.

2667
03:48:33,140 --> 03:48:37,620
I don't want to prejudice the residents and stuff that we don't even know yet.

2668
03:48:37,620 --> 03:48:42,000
or maybe we don't know what LASCO has in their best practices.

2669
03:48:42,820 --> 03:48:44,620
Again, I think if you survey people right now,

2670
03:48:44,720 --> 03:48:46,720
it's going to be an overwhelming no because they're not going

2671
03:48:46,720 --> 03:48:52,180
to know what entails, like the Councilman said about her area.

2672
03:48:52,900 --> 03:48:54,100
I'm not against it in the future.

2673
03:48:54,220 --> 03:48:56,700
I just think this is the first step in it.

2674
03:48:56,700 --> 03:48:58,260
And I don't think it belongs in this motion.

2675
03:48:59,720 --> 03:48:59,880
Thank you.

2676
03:49:00,220 --> 03:49:00,880
Councillor Barrios.

2677
03:49:02,080 --> 03:49:04,920
I'm going to agree with my colleague, Council Member Tappler,

2678
03:49:04,920 --> 03:49:08,740
because of someone who does nothing but community outreach has a profession.

2679
03:49:09,380 --> 03:49:14,740
We never start with the survey, unless you are trying to define, you know, kind of how

2680
03:49:14,740 --> 03:49:18,100
the question should be asked, and I don't think that's what we're trying to get here.

2681
03:49:18,200 --> 03:49:23,100
In fact, I think we're reverse engineering by going out to people and saying, not trying to

2682
03:49:23,100 --> 03:49:31,840
scare them, which I have a hard time with this motion Mr. Mayor, because right off the

2683
03:49:32,480 --> 03:49:35,360
Well, no, we're not.

2684
03:49:35,820 --> 03:49:39,000
We actually aren't, what we are is pursuing a conversation.

2685
03:49:39,920 --> 03:49:45,940
And I think if we made a less formal directive and said, let's keep all of these places

2686
03:49:45,940 --> 03:49:50,820
in, because I want, you know, Jack, I don't need to say your first name, I should be more

2687
03:49:50,820 --> 03:49:51,240
professional.

2688
03:49:51,540 --> 03:49:57,660
But I want you to go talk to Ms. Penetta and say, what do I need to know if we're ever talking

2689
03:49:57,660 --> 03:49:59,840
about OPA or Mr. White Feather.

2690
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:07,020
I say, what don't I know about these areas? But also go out and talk to the Arginoble family and say, what

2691
03:50:07,020 --> 03:50:12,000
really is the sticking point? Is there some other place that we could be at? So that we have

2692
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:16,820
that broader world view before and then come back and say, okay, these ones really

2693
03:50:16,820 --> 03:50:23,080
are non-stargers. We're just, you know, and talk with these folks too, who know our area, like,

2694
03:50:23,080 --> 03:50:27,920
you know, Councilmember Gutierrez, who could probably walk you to all the people you need to

2695
03:50:27,920 --> 03:50:36,380
to in our neighborhood. So I think we need like a baby step first. I completely agree that there should be a survey,

2696
03:50:36,800 --> 03:50:42,160
but as the first step, you're just going to get shut down and then it's going to be for non. And then again,

2697
03:50:42,280 --> 03:50:49,560
I go back to probably we do this in February when you do know you have the time and resources for it, but that's my point.

2698
03:50:49,560 --> 03:50:52,240
Thank you.

2699
03:50:52,560 --> 03:51:00,240
I'm going to try this motion without a survey initially and see how that goes.

2700
03:51:02,160 --> 03:51:07,760
And if it doesn't make it, then certainly we could consider other motions or perhaps continuing

2701
03:51:07,760 --> 03:51:12,780
it even until next February, but I think we've put this off along enough.

2702
03:51:13,600 --> 03:51:14,720
So with that, I'm sorry.

2703
03:51:21,870 --> 03:51:22,970
So I'd use this.

2704
03:51:23,150 --> 03:51:26,550
Well, I'd use the engagement piece, but just not a formal survey.

2705
03:51:27,170 --> 03:51:28,930
And the second of their motion is final.

2706
03:51:29,490 --> 03:51:30,370
Thank you.

2707
03:51:32,660 --> 03:51:34,040
I'm going to call for the vote.

2708
03:51:50,190 --> 03:51:55,050
Motion passes five to two with council members, barrios, and to meet you voting no.

2709
03:51:56,710 --> 03:51:57,110
All right.

2710
03:51:57,310 --> 03:51:58,470
We have one more item,

2711
03:52:01,260 --> 03:52:02,440
and it should be brief.

2712
03:52:03,060 --> 03:52:04,580
I am 9.3.

2713
03:52:04,580 --> 03:52:09,940
Results of the Independent Accountants report on the agreed upon procedures for payroll.

2714
03:52:10,360 --> 03:52:15,720
I will ask our colleagues if you would like a staff report on this.

2715
03:52:17,680 --> 03:52:20,200
I'm not seeing anyone jumping up and down.

2716
03:52:21,880 --> 03:52:23,240
Is there any speakers?

2717
03:52:23,440 --> 03:52:25,680
I'm not seeing any remote speakers?

2718
03:52:27,600 --> 03:52:28,100
No, Mayor.

2719
03:52:28,700 --> 03:52:31,060
Have a motion from Council Member Gutierrez.

2720
03:52:31,920 --> 03:52:34,000
We have a second from Council Member Barrios.

2721
03:52:34,480 --> 03:52:35,460
Any further discussion?

2722
03:52:44,370 --> 03:52:45,590
Mr. Mayor,

2723
03:52:47,650 --> 03:52:56,870
if I might, I just wanted to thank staff at this was a really, I really enjoyed reading this report and I know it sounds dumb, but I just wanted to thank you for all the hard work on this.

2724
03:52:57,130 --> 03:53:00,090
Good, good comments, thank you.

2725
03:53:06,610 --> 03:53:08,090
Motion is approved unanimously.

2726
03:53:08,090 --> 03:53:18,110
The next regular city council meeting will be held on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 6, 6, 6pm and the council chamber closed session began at 5pm if necessary.