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Good morning, everyone. Let me welcome all of you to the Orange County Board of County Commission meeting. I've made the 21st, 2024. As we began this morning, we're going to have a guest come before us to do the invocation. I'm going to ask Ms. Susie, but shelly from District One Commission office of Commission of Wilson, who will be coming forward to introduce our guests who will bring the invocation.

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Following the invocation, I will lead us in the pledge of allegiance and following the pledge.

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Our communications directed Dr. Jeffrey Williamson were re-proclamations, recognizing

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Florida, Water, Reduce Week, and Building Safety Month, and Public Works Week is well all here

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within Orange County, and with that, I'm going to ask Ms. Pachelli to come for you recognize

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as it is time to introduce a invocator.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Hi.

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OK, on behalf of Commissioner Nicole Wilson,

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who, unfortunately, cannot be here today,

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due to a family emergency,

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it is my honor to introduce someone truly special

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who will be leading us in the invocation this morning.

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Rabbi Melissa Cresby is the guiding light

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of the Southwest Orlando Jewish congregation

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located in a pop-gov island road.

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Rabbi Crestby brings the wealth of experience

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having served congregations in New York,

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Ohio, and California.

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She's not only a dedicated rabbi, but also a certified chaplain

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who spent seven years providing compassionate care

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and hospitals in Columbus, Ohio,

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working alongside her Christian and Buddhist colleagues.

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She was ordained in 1991.

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from the Jewish Theological Seminary of America in New York.

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And just the second class that emitted women

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paving the way for future generations.

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Thank you.

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She's almost fluent in French and in Hebrew

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and knows a bit of Spanish.

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But beyond all her accomplishments,

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Rabbi Cresby is a devoted wife

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to Larry Kaufman, a proud mom

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to Avie, Bella, and Natanya, and an even proud or grandmother to Lena.

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We all understand that, grandmothers.

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The mission of the Southwest Orlando Jewish Congregation is to build community, strengthen

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family life, and promote Jewish values.

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They are proud of their diverse local community, and welcome people of all faiths and backgrounds.

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So without further ado, I will turn it over to Rabbi Melissa Cresby.

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Rabbi Cresby.

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Thank you for being here with us today.

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It's an honor.

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It's an honor.

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Good morning.

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Buenos dias, Boquersov, Bourgeois, to all of you.

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And a special greeting to our lawmakers today, Mayor Demings, Orange County Commissioner

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for District 1, Nicole Wilson, with prayers for her family, and all the other Orange County

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Commissioners.

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Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land onto all the inhabitants thereof.

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That 10th verse of Leviticus 25 was inscribed on the bell, we now call the Liberty Bell

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in Philadelphia. And it is found in the Torah reading that Jewish people all over the world will read

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this coming Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. Its context is the Jubilee and observance due to

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occur every 50 years when all indentured servants would be freed. All land returned to its original

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owners and the land not worked but returned to God's ownership.

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In the context of this discussion

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of the Jubilee, the Torah exhorts us not once but twice not to wrong each other. Understanding

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that the temptation would be high to cheat in the transaction of land sales. The later

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rabbinic tradition expands the verses to include all commercial transactions and also

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wronging a person with harmful words such as reminding a person of their former

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Our misdeeds after they have repented and paid for their crime. I've looked at the agenda for this

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body's deliberations today, and it is full of reviewing and approving commercial bids and transactions.

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I have no doubt that you will all bear in mind the Leviticus 25th exhortations not to wrong

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one another in financial transactions.

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It's what the people of Orange County elected you to do to make sure that what their government

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does is legal and responsible.

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But I'd also like you to take into account the wrong doing that can be done with our words.

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There's a Jewish parable of a man who went through his community slandering the Rabbi.

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One day, feeling remorseful, he begged the Rabbi for forgiveness and said he was willing to do penance.

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The rabbi told him to take several feather pillows, cut them open, and scatter the feathers to the winds.

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The man did so, but when he returned to tell the rabbi that he had fulfilled his request, he was told,

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Now, go and gather all the feathers.

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The man protested, but that is impossible.

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Of course, it is said, the Rabbi.

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And though you may sincerely regret the evil you have done,

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and truly desire to correct it,

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it is as impossible to repair the damage done by your words,

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as it will be to recover the feathers.

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The things we say about people can ruin them.

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Often the right thing to do is not speak about others at all.

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This is a principle I will say that is not always easy for me,

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and I would imagine not always easy for all of you.

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but we need to pursue it, and now a prayer.

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Habore Harachamun, compassionate creator.

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We ask your blessings for the Mayor, the Commissioners of Orange County, and all who work with them.

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May they use the eyes, ears, and minds you have given them to remember the blessings,

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because both personal and political that they enjoy and to work each and every day to make

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it possible for every individual they represent to receive those blessings, especially those

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who are hungry, homeless, and suffering.

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Justice shall you pursue.

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We learn from the book of Deuteronomy.

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May they and we always have this teaching in their minds and hearts, amen.

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John, may I have a pledge?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which stands one nation of God in the digital with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you very much, Rabbi. Thank you, Mayor. As the Mayor said, we do have three proclamations this morning. And the first one is for water reuse week. Water reuse week is our first proclamation. And the proclamation reads, whereas safe clean and sustainable water resources are essential to Orange County's environment, economy, residents, and visitors. And whereas water reuse provides a means for conserving and augmenting Orange County's precious water resources.

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And where I explore it, I have established the encouragement and promotion of water reuse,

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a state objectives in Chapter 373, and four or three floor to statutes.

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And where I explore it, I have risen to be a national leader in water reuse,

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reusing nearly 900 million gallons of reclaimed water per day,

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more than 50% of the wastewater which is treated to conserve freshwater supplies,

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and recharge our freshwater resources.

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And we're as wait reuse Florida is a partner in the one water Florida initiative to educate the public and stakeholders on reuse as a safe future water supply and we're as may typically a dry month when water demands are high is a good time to educate residents about how they can help save our precious water resources through water reuse.

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Now, therefore, Jerry O'Gimmings, by the authority vested in him as Orange County Mayor, does

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hear by proclaim the week of May 19 through 25, 2024, as Florida Water Reuse Week in

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Orange County, Florida, and encourage residents and businesses to help protect our precious

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resource by practicing water conservation and to use reclaim water in an efficient and effective

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means.

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And then, in order this 21st day of May 2024, signed by the mayor and all six members of the Board of County Commissioners.

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Receiving the proclamation is Carrie Cates, Carrie is a deputy director of the Orange County Utilities Department, Carrie.

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Good morning, Mayor, commissioners, County Administrator, staff, and everyone gathered here this morning.

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As was mentioned, I am a deputy director for Orange County Utilities, but I also happen to be the incoming president for the Florida section of the Water Resources Association.

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So I am very honored to be here this morning to receive this

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proclamation.

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Florida is recognized as a national leader in water reuse,

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and the recycling of water is an integral part of wastewater

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management, water resource management, and ecosystem

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management within the state.

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In Orange County, an average of 60 million gallons per day

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of domestic wastewater flows into our reclamation facilities.

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After receiving high-level treatment and disinfection,

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water is converted into reclaimed water, where it is then available to be safely reused in a beneficial manner.

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And I am very proud to report that Orange County proactively and responsibly utilizes 100

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such as irrigation, aquifer recharge, power generation, and for discharges that provide environmental benefit such as rehydrating wetlands.

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Reusing water helps to conserve Florida's fresh water resources and facilitates the protection of our vibrant ecosystems.

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As we prepare for the future, water reuse will continue to play a vital role in the water supply planning process.

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Again, I'm very grateful for this opportunity to recognize the importance of reuse as a critical resource for both Orange County and this entire state of Florida

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as we work to ensure a safe and sustainable water supply for all. Thank

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All right, thank you, Kerry. Thank you, Mayor. Our next proclamation is for building safety month. Building safety month in the proclamation reads, whereas Orange County government's continuing efforts to address critical issues of building safety and sustainability in the developmental environment that affects our residents, both in everyday life and in times of natural disaster, give us confidence that our structures are safe and sound.

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And whereas building safety must recognize the building safety and fire prevention officials,

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architects, engineers, builders, tradespeople, design professionals, laborers, plumbers,

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and others in the construction industry who work year-round to ensure the safe construction

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of buildings. And whereas Orange County staff are dedicated members of the International Cold

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Council in nonprofit that brings together local state territorial tribal and federal officials

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who are experts in the built environment to create and implement the highest quality codes

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to protect us in the buildings where we live, learn, work, and play.

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And whereas the building safety month theme is, it starts with you, encourages all residents

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to raise awareness about building safety, the importance of modern building codes, and strong

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code enforcement.

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And whereas in observance of building safety month, residents are asked to consider projects

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at improved building safety, and sustainability at home, and in the community, and to

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acknowledge the essential services provided by the local and state building departments,

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fire prevention, bureaus, and federal agencies in protecting lives and property.

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Now, therefore, gerial dimings by the authority vested in him as Orange County mayor.

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This year, by proclaiming the month of May, 2024, as building safety month in Orange County,

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Florida, done in order this 21st day of May, 2024, signed by the mayor and all six members

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of the Board of County Commissioners receiving the Proclamation is Tom Allen, once County

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Building Official Tom.

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Good morning.

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I'm honored to stand before you today, accepting this proclamation for cloning the month

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of May as Building Safety Month.

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This formal recognition is not just a testament to our efforts, but also a celebration of

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the dedication of Orange County Government towards ensuring the safety and integrity

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of the built environment.

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The Florida Building Code stands as a beacon of safety, guiding every aspect of construction

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within our county.

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It's more than a set of regulations.

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It's a commitment to protecting the life safety, health, and welfare of our residents,

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property owners, and visitors.

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None of this would be possible without the unwavering support for Mayor Deming and the Board

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of County Commissioners.

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Your vision, leadership, and unwavering commitment to the welfare of our community have

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instrumental in shaping the division of building safety into what it is today.

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Thank you again for this honor.

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May we continue to work hand-in-hand towards a safer, stronger, or in county for generations

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to come.

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You're going to have to squeeze in everybody, squeeze in everyone.

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Tighten up. Tighten up. Tighten up.

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All right.

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All right. Congratulations.

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All right, thank you Tom and thank you team.

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Our final proclamation this morning is for public works week. Public works week. In the proclamation reads,

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whereas the American public works association has selected advancing quality of life for all as it's

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theme for the 2024 National Public Works week. And encourages its members to use this week to educate residents about the significant contributions of public works officials,

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and professionals who stand ready to respond during natural disasters and trials in the field.

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And whereas public work services provided in Orange County are an integral part of our residents every day lives.

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And we're asked to support and understanding of informed residents is vital to the efficient operation of public work systems and programs,

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ensuring the health, safety and comfort of our community.

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And we're asked the quality and efficacy of public works activities as well as planning, design, and construction are vitally dependent upon the efforts and skills of public works officials.

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And we're asked the productivity and morale of qualified and dedicated personnel who work in the public works profession are influenced by the communities attitudes and understanding of the importance of the work they perform.

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Now, therefore, Jerville Demings, by virtue of the authority vested in him as Orange County Mayor,

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does hereby proclaim the week of May 19 through 25, 2024, as public works week in Orange County, Florida.

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Done and ordered this 21st day of May, 2024, signed by the mayor, and all six members of the Board of County Commissioners.

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Receiving the proclamation is Hector Maldonado, who is Hector Maldonado.

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He is a source and coordinated with our public works, fiscal and operation support, Mr. Maldonado.

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Good morning, mayor, commissioners, control a document, and county administrator Brooks.

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Since 1960, APWA has sponsored national public works week across North America, more than 32,000 members in the U.S. and Canada.

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Use this week to energize and educate the public on the importance of public works to their daily lives.

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This year's theme, advancing quality of life for all, shines a spotlight on the way we, as public works professionals, advance the quality of life here in Orange County by providing an infrastructure of service in transportation, maintenance, storm water, emergency management and first response, fiscal, technology, safety, customer service and right away right away management.

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We work hard every day to make our encounter a dynamic place to live and work.

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During this week and throughout the year we celebrate the quiet work performed by our

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public works professionals daily to make life better for all citizens of our country.

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Joining me today are members from across our public works department.

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I ask them to please stand and be recognized.

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We're here.

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All right.

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Hey, everybody.

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You're welcome.

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You're welcome.

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You're welcome.

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I think you're all made up.

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Lower yourself.

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We start.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Come on, come on, come on.

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All right, thanks. It was great to recognize our hard work and employees, sometimes on song heroes who had done a work behind the scenes.

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Also, this morning, I do want to acknowledge if you see the scan for a closed captioning if you are someone that may be hearing impaired.

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But if you scan that, there will be active recording of this meeting today that you can follow along.

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Also, whoever is responsible for bringing the Pineapple Zam, thank you very much, perhaps.

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Someone from the hospitality industry is responsible for that.

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We'll be talking later today about visit our land and the work they do here with in our community, so thank you very much.

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All right.

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Now as we move forward on our agenda this morning, it's time for public comment.

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One of the special periods of time that we have as a board of kind of commission.

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We will be inviting members of the public to come forward to speak regarding topics of interest or concern that are within this board as authority.

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However, there are certain matters which are not appropriate for public discussion during this public comment period.

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These matters include the pending procurement of land use issues.

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Later, this afternoon will be dealing with the land use issues during the public hearings.

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Of course, as we move forward today, we ask that to bring forward and respect the time that will be established for those who will be speaking.

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With that Mr. Style Mula, do we have members of the public who have expressed a desire to speak this morning?

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Yes, Mayor, we have 15 speaker cards this morning.

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All right.

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We're going to give the speakers two minutes just morning to speak.

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That time will go very quickly.

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So please pay attention to the clock.

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All right, folks. I'm going to call your names and batches.

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When I do, please line up in the back wall.

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When you approach the podium, please begin with your name and address for the record.

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First speaker today is going to be Larry Meredith followed by Kelly Makagano and Pamela

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Sival.

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Good morning, Mayor.

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Commissioners, Christine Disappeared again.

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My name is Larry Meredith from Lake Mendelian, the state's the pop of Florida 3, 2, 7, 0, 3.

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And this is about the sidewalks and putting the cart before the horse.

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Currently, the fiber off the cable has been put in.

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Next to the sidewalks, which is probably going to damage some of those cables and put us out of

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internet services, which is minimal, but at the same time, it's a problem.

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Three, the structures along Lake Manila, or excuse me, the other drive is going to wipe out

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probably about six trees and landscaping.

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It's cutting off 22 feet of my driveway that I paid $10,000 for brickpapers, and I won't

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able to use that anymore.

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My concern about that is he's going to reimburse me for that.

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Number four, and most importantly, these sidewalks that they want to put in are not necessary.

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If you look at the top of that up there, which says orange-hurst and the next street down,

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those two streets right here, the only traffic that's almost streets is the people who live

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there, the same thing with the foot traffic.

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The two heaviest travel streets, which are minimal, is Mendeln and Evelin, where I live.

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The onset of the racetrack coming in many years ago and now of BP and the use of GPS,

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these traffic situations we used to have in the beginning are down to Mendeln.

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The foot traffic throughout that entire neighborhood is not more than 15 to 20 people a day,

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which does not justify spending millions of taxpayer dollars to put in sidewalks that

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are not necessary.

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The only accident that I know of since I've lived there since 1998 is the guy that was

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drive in a forward truck, loss controller on a curve coming down,

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the link for ters, hit a male box and destroyed that, and he ended up in my front yard

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with a broken steering shaft out of his gearbox.

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That truck all lost.

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Unfortunately, Mr. Meredith, you're out of time. Thank you for bringing your concern to us. As you move to the back, I'm sure there's a member from our public works department that will speak with you briefly.

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I see them moving towards you, Mr. Meredith. Perhaps they can address some of the issues that you brought up this morning.

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With that, we're going to move to the next speaker, please.

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The

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joys of farm-to-table breakfast, think about it.

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My name is Pamela Sybel, Bolshini Highway, Orlando, Florida, 3-2-833.

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Thank you today.

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As a resident in rural settlement, east of the Econ River, here to ask for your support

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to protect rural egg area.

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Finally, it makes sense.

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Florida egg industry is an economic generator.

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It is a top 30 industry in Orange County and second-top industry in Florida.

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Per University of Florida, just in Florida, we're losing 120 acres of

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eggland per day, or 45,000 acres a year between now and 2070.

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Daily, 120 acres of eggland, plowed over, not by a tractor, which I'm familiar with, I was raised

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a farm, but a bulldozer or covered in asphalt.

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Not only is this economic loss for the county in the state, it causes a financial burden

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to the taxpayers plus negative impact to environment and quality of life, which is irreplaceable

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and unmeasurable.

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And some of them on other counties is working.

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They created road boundaries in unincorporated areas.

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We should do that here in Orange County.

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The rural boundary would encourage well-thought-out plans for the right location with safeguards

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in place to protect the homeowners, taxpayers, the body and rural area and keep the

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rural culture, lifestyle, and property values they expected when purchased.

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It would also protect the thriving egg industry and overall cost to taxpayers a lot less.

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Just in East Orlando, our real area, we didn't expect the urban services.

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We still don't have it.

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I'm asking you today to really think about that we can't change,

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go back if we plow over eggplant.

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If we don't protect our wetlands, we don't protect,

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and give the people an option for what they're going to buy in Orlando.

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Thank you.

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All right, thank you, Miss Fabio.

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We'll move to the next speaker, please.

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All right, next set of speakers is going to start with Eric Gremmer, followed by Nelson Bettencourt,

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and Eugene Stagato.

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Good morning, Mayor, commissioners.

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Eric Gremmer, five, seven, four, terror spring drive, Orlando, Florida, three, two, eight.

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I remember the 2024 charter of your commission and the chair of the state of a growth committee, but I am here

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appearing in some one of my own capacity.

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You may have heard the CRC has been kicking around the idea of putting it on a rural boundaries

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and the eastern west side of the country to address our decades-long practice of responding,

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responding to community growth by building outwards.

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However, in the most recent session of the forest legislature passed a preemption bill,

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SB 1420, that was expressly targeted at our consideration of this issue.

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It hasn't yet become evolving, we anticipate it will be signed by the governor sometime soon.

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This preemption bill, in combination with recently raised legal issues,

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have many, I'll let them in on some of the CRC to conclude the state legislator has completed

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tied the CRC's hands with regard to a roll-boundary charter amendment. However, the board

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of county commissioners is not so constrained. An overwhelming majority vote last night, the

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CRC has recommended the BCC place a roll-boundary charter amendment on the ballot that does the

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following. And it's on the overhead above. One, it creates the roll area and unincorporate orange

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county by using the urban service airlines as the base boundary, but exempting areas outside the

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outside the urban service area that have already been subject to or planned for more

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intense suburban style development. That includes gross centers, horizon-west and

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innovation-way, as well as areas subject to joint planning agreements with municipalities.

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Two, in order to change the density or intensity of lands within the rural area, a

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majority plus one vote of the county commission will be required. Third, if a

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parcel locating the rural area of unincorporated orange county is later annexed.

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The county's land use rules would apply unless the BCC votes to release the land from the rural area. This proposal is complementary to the annexation proposal from the commission of the year that the board will be discussing later today.

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The commission's proposal addresses the process by which voluntary annexations would occur countywide. The rural boundary concerns would happen after annexations to land within the rural area, which jurisdictions land use control.

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The commissioners proposal only addresses voluntary annexations, where the should roll brownie were put to both voluntary and voluntary annexations.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you, Mr. Grimman.

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We'll move to the next speaker, please.

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The also in Betten Court, 5350 East Cayley Street, Orlando, Florida, 32812.

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Good morning, Mayor and commissioners.

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I absolutely believe the rural boundary amendment should be placed before the voters

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Despite the sources of dread and false alarms used to raise doubts and scare by developers

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and their minions in Tallahassee, authored Edward Abbey wrote growth for the sake of growth

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is the ideology of the cancer cell. It is not growth for the sake of growth we want,

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is development for the sake of future generations.

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If you look around the works of art in this room,

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or think about your favorite paintings by famous artists,

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they are all created within a boundary of space.

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Most even have a frame around them.

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Art consists of limitation.

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I think this is how we should think about the rural boundary because after all art is not a thing, it is a way.

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And thinking artistically is how we need to think within a continuously challenging and threatening environment.

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Our rural boundary will give orange cloudy the framework to develop in a more dynamic, fair, innovative and beautiful way.

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Okay. Let the voters decide. It is the right thing to do. Thank you.

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All right. Thank you for the comments. Next speaker, please.

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Good morning. I'm Eugene Stacardo. I have the pleasure to speak to you all.

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I'm a member of the CRC. Thank you for a point me. You're in a half a fun excitement.

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Thank you. And I live on Marsville Avenue.

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When I'm going to talk today is the history of an amendment exhibit be that we are presenting that we are hoping that you all can actually put on the ballot as it is.

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The history of this, we start back in August where's our chair?

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I served on that committee. We had nine meetings, starting in August, going up the February.

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We went to the commission with the initial version of that.

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That language in 506A is big because that meeting that all the misguarities came out and talked to us and gave us the concerns of JPAs and all the difficulties of how we have relationships as accounting with the cities.

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So we went back to committee.

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We did another six meetings.

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We talked to them, we talked

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about that language.

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27 hours went into that. We have four attorneys, Eric's attorney. We have two other attorney

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plus Wade Vos or county attorney commission attorney. 108 hours total time, doesn't commit

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time, essentially for four attorneys plus two people like me or just I'm a retired engineer.

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And on top of that, Wade spent many hours and you'll know the bill on how many hours he put in.

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This is a well-researched piece of document.

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We tried our best to exclude everything except the rural area, it's a difficult issue in our

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county with all of the municipalities that we have.

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I think we've done a dang good job with this language, and I think it's a great piece of

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document.

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We had 41 people last night, that was in over 100 people, given time last night.

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They overwhelmingly, no one except one person spoke it opposition.

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41 people represented 100. I thought that was great. We had a 13-1 last night.

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To say, please, commission, we have been kneecap by the our beloved

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legislature multiple times now.

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Now, we can't do our job, please do our job for us. Thank you, put it to the voters.

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All right, and thank you very much for your comments. We'll move to the next speaker, please.

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All right, folks. Next speaker is going to be Peter Murray, followed by Samuel Chambers, and valmobly.

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Good morning. Peter Murray, a colleague, Florida 34761.

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I'm here to talk about my experience working with the mayor's office. I have great respect for you, Mr. Mayor, and for our county.

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What I'm showing here is a text from personal cell phone that's small and bad, congratulating

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meeting on the Commission, approving a contract through your contract on December 12, 2023.

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Orange County hired me in 2021 to build the first stage of an effective and federally

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compliant broadband and digital equity program.

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I'm not going to read my credentials.

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Orange County increased my responsibility is an issued new contracts in July of 2022.

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February of 2023.

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And October of 2023.

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And then granted a three year contract in December of 2023.

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That text is from Simone Badd's personal cell phone and says she's wiped out.

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She was on the cruise with COVID, which she texted me and I submitted to

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So you increase my responsibility, you've awarded me a contract, January 4th, the county

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is executed in a non-negotiated contract after we objected to the termination for convenience

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clause.

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Friday, January 26th, the county canceled a meeting, canceled a meeting with me to discuss

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my concerns about federal compliance and the scope of work in the procurement process.

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January 29th, the Monday, so Friday they cancel the meeting, January 29th, the Monday,

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they sent me a notification for termination for convenience, I immediately notified Ms.

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Harrington of my concerns, to date I have not been able to get a meeting with anyone in

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our county except for an investigator from your risk management organization.

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This has been devastating to our business financially and to our credibility.

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I'm a national expert. People look up to me and to have this terminated after we've publicly announced it has been embarrassing.

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You've called Martin James. Thank you, Mr. Murray. Bad Arnch.net.

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Thank you for your comments today.

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And of course, should there be any grievances related to your respective contract.

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There's a proper police and time and process for being able to do that and so certainly

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our risk management and our county attorney's office will follow up with you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you sir.

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All right.

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Next speaker please.

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Hello.

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My name is Samuel Chambers.

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I live at 3333, Palomrod or Land of Florida, 3-2-8-0-3.

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I personally want to say good morning to you, Mr. Mayor and the County Commission.

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I am here today in support of the rural boundary and just a little background info.

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I am a device chair of the Orange Sewing and Water Conservation District.

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We had passed a resolution to the CRC recommending that they approved the rural boundary now, obviously.

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The last night the CRC advocated in the sense authority to you for a number of reasons to make a decision on the rural boundary.

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although our resolution does not mention recommending that the BCC take action, speaking personally, I believe that the Board County Commissioners should take action on the amendment and allow the voters to have say come the November election and be able to support a rural boundary which is overwhelmingly supported by

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speakers at the CRC and people who have reached out to myself and other supervisors on the

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soil and water.

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Board in favor of the rural boundaries. So please consider it and allow us to come November.

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Thank you.

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Would you give us your name one more time please?

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Samuel Chambers.

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Thank you.

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All right, can you move to the next speaker please?

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Good morning. My name is Val Mabli, 226 West King Street, Orlando 3204. That's College Park.

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I chose to live in College Park, the downtown part of Orlando because of convenience for parks and recreation and shopping and restaurants and the hospitals right down the street for my house.

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It's just so convenient and that's why I chose to live there.

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I would not be happy if developers decided to tear down a swath of houses in college park

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and see it for past your land and put in cows and horses next to my property.

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I wouldn't be happy.

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So I understand and I feel for the people of East Orange County who are fearful all

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time that that's going to happen to them, not that houses will be torn down for pastor, but

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that their pastors will be turned into housing. It's not right that people have to live

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in fear. They chose that way of life. They made a conscious decision to live in a rural

439
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:46,310
area, just like I made a conscious decision to live in an urban area. So I'm here to say,

440
00:46:46,310 --> 00:46:54,290
I really hope that this commission will do the work that the CRC has so diligently worked

441
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:57,890
on to put this on the ballot for the World Boundary.

442
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:59,570
We need this in Orange County.

443
00:46:59,930 --> 00:47:01,070
Thank you.

444
00:47:01,150 --> 00:47:01,370
All right.

445
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:02,270
Thank you for your comments.

446
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:03,910
We'll move to the next speaker, please.

447
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:05,230
All right.

448
00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:12,950
Next speaker is Robert Arguza, followed by Pat Lensie and Lee Petrisie.

449
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:21,640
Good morning.

450
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:27,620
Mayor, commissioners, a Comptroller, Robert Agrusa, 66675, Westwood Boulevard, Orlando, Florida,

451
00:47:28,540 --> 00:47:31,780
32821, happy national travel and tourism week.

452
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,600
Thank you very much for the opportunity to hear today.

453
00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:39,580
That is why the pineapples are here on behalf of our industry as the international symbol

454
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:40,380
of hospitality.

455
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:45,540
We're so delighted and as we've shared some of these statistics over the years, we generated

456
00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:51,620
the industry generated over 87.6 billion dollars in positive economic impact, just for

457
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:58,600
county in 2022 which supports over 40% of our local workforce here in our

458
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,220
community and you know today you have this amazing opportunity to continue to

459
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:06,540
support the future of the tourism and hospitality industry and the successes

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00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:11,380
by voting in favor of the Visitor Orlando Renewal Contract. As we all know there

461
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:16,120
was a series of votes that were taken back in January 23rd and this board voted

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,800
in favor of Visitor Orlando working with the Orange County staff and team here to

463
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,400
to make some meaningful and impactful changes.

464
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:26,420
And today, this contract reflects that good faith

465
00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:29,400
effort between both parties and all of the items

466
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,840
that were requested by the Board of County Commissioners

467
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,080
have been included in this renewed contract.

468
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:37,040
And so this is so vital for the future of Orange County,

469
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:39,200
our residents here in the community,

470
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,220
and certainly the employees who work within the hospitality

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00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:43,220
and tourism industry.

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00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:44,960
So thank you very much for your consideration.

473
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:47,640
And I appreciate and happy national travel

474
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,380
and tourism week.

475
00:48:48,380 --> 00:48:50,480
All right, thank you, Ms. Arngusa.

476
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,260
Next speaker, please.

477
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,800
Good morning, Mayor and County Commissioners.

478
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:02,340
I am Pat Lindsay.

479
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,100
I live at 1851, Old River Trail, Chulio de Florida.

480
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:11,020
I live within one mile from the Orange County line.

481
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,880
And I live within one mile of the Econ River.

482
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,000
I live there for 40 years.

483
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,620
I'm on five acres in a rural area.

484
00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:29,040
I like my lifestyle, I like what I, you know, my, I want to continue to have the lifestyle

485
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,480
I now have, but the most more important for the future, because I'm not going to be around

486
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:40,860
that much longer, um, for the future, I'm really concerned about the waterways, between the

487
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:47,280
Econ River and the St. John's River, this is very environmentally sensitive land. It's

488
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:55,500
there's a lot of wet land. Over the 40 years I've lived there. Just a few weeks ago I emailed

489
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,820
all of you and sent you pictures of the becon, it turned p-green.

490
00:50:00,430 --> 00:50:04,170
I've never seen it that way in the 40 years I've lived there.

491
00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:11,250
I think this is a lot of this is due to the overgrowth and sprawl that's taken place in each

492
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:17,450
armed county, avalan and all the growth that's taken place has had a negative impact on

493
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:22,630
this property, this land. This land is great for agriculture and it should stay agriculture.

494
00:50:24,110 --> 00:50:32,690
You know, the green was all the way to the St. John's River, the entire Econ River with

495
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:35,290
P. Green just a few weeks ago.

496
00:50:36,090 --> 00:50:41,690
When Econ came through, I've lived there 40 years with many storms, many hurricanes,

497
00:50:42,190 --> 00:50:47,470
Hurricane Charlie, and the ones that followed right after it, never seen the Econ River

498
00:50:47,470 --> 00:50:54,810
come all the way up into my road that I live on and flood three houses, but it did when he

499
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:59,850
came through. That's because of the growth that's already taken place out, that the sprawl

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00:50:59,850 --> 00:51:06,170
that's already taken place, and we're only going to have more problems if we continue to let

501
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:12,310
this sprawl continue. And so I urge you to please do the right thing and get this on the ballot

502
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:14,190
for World Boundary. Thank you.

503
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:15,530
All right. Thank you Ms. Lensley,

504
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:18,450
and we pray that you live many more years.

505
00:51:19,070 --> 00:51:20,010
Next speaker, please.

506
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:24,690
Lee Petrisi, 265, River Woods Trail, Tiliota.

507
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:29,190
I've lived in Tiliota since 1993.

508
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:31,870
And even though I reside in Seminal County,

509
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:35,050
I'm writing to ask you to support the rural boundary.

510
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:37,830
What happens in Seminal County rural boundary

511
00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:41,070
affects Orange County rural boundary and vice versa.

512
00:51:41,070 --> 00:51:43,230
A little personal history.

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00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:49,210
In early August of 2013, I had outpatient surgery to remove much skin cancer from the

514
00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:50,050
top of my head.

515
00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:51,870
The process was exhausting.

516
00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:58,570
Then in August of September, October and November, I spent every weekend with hat and

517
00:51:58,570 --> 00:52:03,750
sunscreen at art fairs, craft fairs, farmers markets, and pounding the sand of our beaches.

518
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:08,410
Collecting 1,899 signatures to get amendment 1 on the ballot.

519
00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:10,210
Unpaid, I may add.

520
00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:14,190
I did this to do my little part to protect Florida's water and wilderness.

521
00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:18,990
All of us worked so hard to get this on the ballot for Florida's water and our wilderness.

522
00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:24,650
We did not work this hard, continuing this fight for over 10 years so that our wishes could

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00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:25,330
be ignored.

524
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:29,530
Please protect the rural boundary.

525
00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:31,050
Thank you.

526
00:52:31,550 --> 00:52:31,810
All right.

527
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:32,610
Thank you, Mr. Cruz.

528
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:34,750
We'll move to the next speaker, please.

529
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:42,910
Next to the speakers are going to start with Kelly Simrad, Lee Perry, and Marjorie Holt.

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00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:54,850
Good morning, Mayor.

531
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:55,870
Good morning, commissioners.

532
00:52:56,310 --> 00:52:57,570
My name is Dr. Kelly Simrad.

533
00:52:57,570 --> 00:52:59,750
I reside at 31-11 in a multi-drive.

534
00:53:00,330 --> 00:53:02,750
We were here last night in these chambers, so about 11 o'clock.

535
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:07,030
Talking to our CRC, a whole bunch of us, the chambers were full.

536
00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:12,030
Asking the CRC to put a rural boundary onto our ballot in November.

537
00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:15,530
They cannot, their hands are tied, preempted by the state.

538
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:17,730
They've moved it to you.

539
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:22,330
Our right to vote on a rule boundary is now sitting on your desk.

540
00:53:22,610 --> 00:53:24,970
We're asking that you support that initiative.

541
00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:28,250
From a personal reason, I live on the east side.

542
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:32,150
There was a promise not to cross the Econ River with urban sprawl.

543
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:35,630
We're still fighting to keep that promise with Orange County.

544
00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:37,070
You saw it with sustenee.

545
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:38,370
We barely won.

546
00:53:38,370 --> 00:53:41,070
We hang on and we keep showing up.

547
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:46,790
You know us because we're here so frequently fighting to protect our rural community where

548
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:50,670
we lived where we bought in because we believe the county's promise.

549
00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:54,690
That's a personal issue and a personal request.

550
00:53:55,650 --> 00:54:01,510
From an economic point of view, we have all these reports done by the agricultural industry.

551
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:06,970
That says that for every one dollar that you receive in agricultural land tax, rural

552
00:54:06,970 --> 00:54:13,330
service land, you're making 68 cents off of it because the cost of services is reduced.

553
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:18,430
There's less police, less fire, no need for sidewalks, no need for streetlights.

554
00:54:18,830 --> 00:54:21,510
You're making money off of the rural service area.

555
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:27,490
In a time period where we have a $22 billion deficit for our infrastructure roadway needs,

556
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:32,370
it's time for us to get the biggest bang out of our buck, the biggest return on investment

557
00:54:32,370 --> 00:54:39,690
to draw a line and to drive our growth into the urban core where we stop taking the resources from the urban area

558
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:42,930
and spreading them thinner into the rural service area.

559
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:45,130
It's not a smart way of growth.

560
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:46,950
We need to stop it.

561
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:50,910
The people have a right to have a vision of developments in their community.

562
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:54,150
For six years we've been working on vision 2050.

563
00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:59,710
The county has more data than ever to know that people urban or rural

564
00:54:59,710 --> 00:54:59,970
Thank you.

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00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:11,020
I want to protect this area. Land is a finite resource. They've stopped making it. Save the rural lands. You have places to grow in the future when we need it. Thank you. Put it on the ballot for the people to vote.

566
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:13,220
All right. Next speaker, please.

567
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:29,360
Hello, everyone. I resided 2, 0, 0, 8, green, a drive or land of Florida 3, 2, 8, 1, 0, my name is Lee Perry.

568
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,940
And I'm a climate activist, you all know me.

569
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:41,220
I'd like to actually talk about a gap year that I took after high school where I had the honor of receiving a scholarship to study in Italy.

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00:55:42,220 --> 00:55:51,200
And living in Italy, I had a completely different experience where people that lived in the urban service area,

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00:55:51,200 --> 00:56:21,180
They loved that they had rural boundary protections because the whole community was able to have access, completely around these dense infill areas where people were living and working, to have a relationship with the farmers on the outskirts and completely build a lifestyle around going out and picking vegetables with the farmers and then being able to cook and engage as a community.

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00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:31,620
on walkable streets in that urban core, where many actually almost all of the houses were on top of areas of commerce where people also worked.

573
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:42,960
So there were entire streets where it was completely blocked off and there was access to transit that came every 15 minutes for less than 50 cents.

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00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:49,920
And that is the type of lifestyle that we could invest in here in our own way and in our own model.

575
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,480
And the first step is creating a rural boundary.

576
00:56:54,440 --> 00:57:06,360
We need to be able to have the resources to invest in walkable streets and in, you know, bikeable areas and to have the infrastructure in order to sustain the growth.

577
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:12,700
But we're not going to do that if we continue to subsidize the sprawl that is very expensive and

578
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:14,720
You know quite frankly

579
00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:23,820
It's not resilient when it comes to the climate crisis either. So I would really appreciate it if you all could listen to the people

580
00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:29,640
The CRC process was so awesome and so many hours of lawyer time and

581
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:35,060
Board volunteer time went into it. Please respect the voters and vote for the rural boundary. Thank you

582
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:38,460
All right. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please.

583
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:47,480
Who's the next speaker?

584
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:49,980
She's on the way.

585
00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:59,510
I was concentrating. Yes, good morning, Mayor Demings and Board of

586
00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:07,350
County Commissioners. Yes, we are here today because Commissioner Bonilla came to the CRC

587
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:14,270
and requested recommended that this exhibit be language with the original language

588
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:21,970
for the rural boundary amendment, the assessed by the Board of County Commissioners and ultimately

589
00:58:21,970 --> 00:58:31,490
a vote. I'm going to hand in a letter of communication to the CRC in support of exhibit B.

590
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:43,010
I've sent that for the meeting yesterday. We're here again because of the Florida legislators,

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00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:50,510
preemption. We dealt with it on amendment 1. Our right to clean water. The

592
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:56,850
legislators circle the wagon when the county seems to be accomplishing stronger

593
00:58:56,850 --> 00:59:03,490
growth management and protection in the county. Governor Scott, when he was

594
00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:08,640
elected in 2011, he viscerated the Department of Community Affairs and

595
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:17,980
Rule 9.J5 that allowed for greater assessment and so now it's up to the county,

596
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,100
Orange County, to flex our local control.

597
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,720
So I hope you have a good discussion on this and ultimately bring this back for the

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00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Citizens to vote.

599
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:29,840
Thank you.

600
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,360
Okay, remember your name and your address.

601
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:33,640
That's for the record, please.

602
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:42,860
Well, I'm sorry, March hold, 850 to Elveron Avenue, Orlando, Florida, 32817, and I'm representing

603
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:48,540
the Sierra Club, Santa Florida Group, PO Box 941-692, mainland Florida.

604
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:49,880
Thank you very much.

605
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:50,360
Thank you.

606
00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:51,020
All right.

607
00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:52,280
Next speaker please.

608
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,460
Mayor, that was our last registered speaker.

609
00:59:55,740 --> 00:59:55,940
All right.

610
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,960
Thank you to all of the speakers who came this morning with that.

611
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,180
We will move forward now on our agenda. We will close the public comment period of time and we will move to the

612
01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:13,400
consent agenda. And I'm going to ask our County Administrative Mr. Barron Brooks to present the consent agenda,

613
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:21,920
including a Dendom number one. Thank you, Mayor Demings. And that was all I was going to add and

614
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:28,680
on the board of Addendum 1, which is eight six under public works proven execution of the

615
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:35,900
escrow agreement by Adam on 38254 site LLC Orange County and Orange County Controller.

616
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,200
It was a that edition mayor that represents the consent of Jennifer board consideration.

617
01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:44,400
All right, with that is the emotion for you.

618
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,840
So some second you're reading?

619
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:51,420
All right, motion, commission, Gomez cadaro, second by commission, you're rebate.

620
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:59,480
All in favor, let it be known by saying, I oppose no motion passes and it is unanimous

621
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:06,060
of the members of the board present and then just by we have information for the public.

622
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,240
So all of our commissioners cannot be present today.

623
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:19,340
One commissioner will, some from district one, due to emergency within her family.

624
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:28,720
to commission a more is not present at this time but may rejoin us to do a pressing

625
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:36,300
issue with one of her family members and commissioner Michael Scott unfortunately has

626
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:42,960
been having some health issues and he is not able to be a present today either this is

627
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:51,880
why we have a reduced board does not mean that those members who are not present at this

628
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,860
time do not consider the work of the Board of County Commission to be important, just

629
01:01:56,860 --> 01:01:59,120
want to share that with you.

630
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:06,140
I would like to highlight several items that were approved just a moment ago on the

631
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:06,840
consent agenda.

632
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:12,880
We have proved the awarding to continue a sidewall construction services contracts for the accelerated

633
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,220
transportation safety program.

634
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:21,420
As you all know, we have some issues with pedestrian and bicycle safety as well as traffic

635
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:22,980
congestion within our community.

636
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:30,140
As you may recall, this program provided an additional $100 million for transportation needs

637
01:02:30,140 --> 01:02:37,200
of a five-year period to both Orange County and to links with sidewalks being a key component

638
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,440
of that traffic safety program.

639
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:45,580
On January 23, the Board approved a change order to increase the upper contractual limit

640
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:51,780
on the existing continuing sidewalk construction services contract to initiate the celebrated

641
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:56,200
traffic safety program and its construction by this spring.

642
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:03,040
Construction on the first set of projects has commenced using the increased contracts.

643
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,600
So we are moving expeditiously to address the issues at hand.

644
01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:14,480
Additional projects can now utilize newly approved sidewalk construction service contracts.

645
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:20,340
This fiscal year, under the ATSP, we are starting construction on multiple

646
01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:23,680
who would definitely save the traffic, calming, and roadway

647
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,920
lightning, lighting projects.

648
01:03:26,780 --> 01:03:29,100
The Citizen Commission for Children on Division

649
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:33,760
is also entering into two contracts with the Foundation

650
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,400
for Orange County Public Schools.

651
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:40,260
One program will provide internships to local high school students

652
01:03:40,260 --> 01:03:43,280
helping them make strategic career choices.

653
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,200
The other way include prevention and intervention services,

654
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,920
aimed at addressing summer and pandemic-related learning laws.

655
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,160
So we look forward to that process beginning this summer, as I was children,

656
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:58,360
within the Orange County Public Schools,

657
01:03:58,420 --> 01:04:05,220
was soon in the current school year and started in the summer.

658
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,180
Also through the American Rescue Plan Act Fund in the mental health

659
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:13,600
and homelessness division is extending two existing contracts

660
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:20,100
to continue a care coordination program, as well as an adult intensive outpatient treatment

661
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:20,860
program.

662
01:04:21,260 --> 01:04:27,400
I don't have to tell you all, but related to the growing challenges that many metropolitan

663
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,800
communities around the nation are experiencing with homelessness.

664
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:38,700
Many of those individuals are also mentally ill, and in order to transition them from homelessness

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01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:45,060
to housing and to becoming functional members of our society.

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01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:49,280
We have to invest in the treatment of those underlying issues.

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,300
Before we move on to the discussion agenda,

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I'm going to call on County Administrator,

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,980
Mr. Barron Brooks to also make an announcement.

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And with that, Mr. Brooks, you've recognized it this time.

671
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,500
Thank you, Mayor Demons. This is just announcement, procedural announcement.

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:17,320
So, guarding during place, during place, limited has requested that the county designated property that they own as a Brownfield site.

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01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:23,080
The property is located at 5215 South Orange, Boston Trail within not incorporating Orange County.

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01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:29,380
Section 376.80 of the Florida Statutes.

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01:05:29,380 --> 01:05:38,020
requires the county to announce the public meeting at a scheduled meeting of the local governing body before the actual public meeting occurs.

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01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:51,320
So the public meeting will be conducted by Environmental Protection Division on Thursday, June 6th at 6 p.m. at the Holden Heights Community Center.

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located at 1201-20th Street, Orlando, Florida, 3-2805, and then the date for a second

678
01:05:57,820 --> 01:06:03,080
hearing before the Board of County Commissioners is July 9th.

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01:06:03,140 --> 01:06:06,660
Again, Mayor, this was a procedural matter announcement that required for the Board of

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01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:07,060
Statutes.

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01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,140
All right.

682
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,400
Thank you, Mr. Brooks.

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01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,620
I doly noted any questions about members of the Board regarding the announcement

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01:06:14,620 --> 01:06:16,960
that was made by Mr. Brooks.

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:23,640
Here in non-seen non-we'll move forward, then on our dinner at this time to our discussion

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01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,040
agenda.

687
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:32,640
The first item on the discussion agenda is an item A1, our manager, the procurement division,

688
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:37,400
Ms. Kerim Mathis is going to come forward and frame this item and with that Ms. Mathis,

689
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you'll recognize it this time.

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01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:40,300
Thank you.

691
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:41,880
Good morning, Mayor and commissioners.

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,820
This first item begins on page 353 of your agenda.

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01:06:45,820 --> 01:06:51,740
The procurement committee has evaluated proposals for disaster, debris, monitoring, recovery services.

694
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,820
I am requesting board selection of one firm and two ranked alternates.

695
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:59,920
Commissioner Uribe was assigned to the procurement committee.

696
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:01,540
All right.

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,660
With that, Commissioner Uribe would you like to offer a potential motion?

698
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:07,360
Yes, Mayor.

699
01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:12,620
I move for the selection of Tetra Tech Inc. 457.11 points.

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01:07:12,620 --> 01:07:24,660
With Thompson Consulting Services LLC with 348.17 points and debris tech LLC with 345 points as the ranked alternate.

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01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,080
Second one.

702
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,080
All right.

703
01:07:27,860 --> 01:07:29,740
We have a motion and a second.

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,540
All in favour of that to be normally saying aye.

705
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:33,980
Opposed no.

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01:07:34,540 --> 01:07:37,720
The motion passes and it is unanimous.

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01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:38,880
Thank you.

708
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,980
Our next item begins on page 358 of your agenda.

709
01:07:41,980 --> 01:07:46,820
The procurement committee has evaluated proposals for a consulting service for a fire rescue

710
01:07:46,820 --> 01:07:52,220
promotional processes, and requesting board selection of one firm and an alternate commissioner

711
01:07:52,220 --> 01:07:54,620
more was assigned to the procurement committee.

712
01:07:55,340 --> 01:07:55,520
All right.

713
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,840
With that commissioner more would you like to offer potential motion?

714
01:07:59,480 --> 01:07:59,840
Yes, I would.

715
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:07,880
I move for the selection of Morris and McDaniel Inc at 391.60 points with emergency services consulting

716
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,720
in our national aid at 373.3 points as the alternate.

717
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:14,020
Second, you, Rebe.

718
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:15,900
All right, we have a motion.

719
01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:18,840
And a second, all in favor, let it be normal saying aye.

720
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:19,100
Aye.

721
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,340
Opposed, no motion passes, and it is unanimous.

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01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,200
All right, with that, we move to item 83.

723
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:28,660
Ms. Methodist, you recognize?

724
01:08:29,180 --> 01:08:29,660
Thank you.

725
01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:32,480
The site and begin some page 364 of your agenda.

726
01:08:32,860 --> 01:08:37,860
The procurement committee has evaluated proposals for third party administrator services for

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01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:39,680
the Orange County Health Services Department.

728
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:42,700
I'm requesting board selection of one firm

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01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:44,060
at an alternate commissioner,

730
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:46,220
your rebue was assigned to the procurement committee.

731
01:08:46,900 --> 01:08:48,020
All right, Commissioner,

732
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,980
your rebue would you like to offer potential motion?

733
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:54,060
Yes, I move for the selection of Heritage Health Solutions Inc.

734
01:08:54,220 --> 01:08:59,120
at 397.42 points with Zenith American Solutions Inc.

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01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,360
at 308.7 points as the alternative.

736
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:03,720
Second, will we?

737
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,840
All right, we have a second, I believe that

738
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,680
Commissioner Goodman's Cadero, all in favour of letting me know I'm saying aye.

739
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:18,320
Opposed, no motion passes and it is unanimous with that we'll move to the next item on

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01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:23,040
the agenda. This is item A4 and with that, Ms. Mathes, you recognize.

741
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,820
Thank you. The site begins on page 369 of your agenda. The procurement committee has evaluated

742
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:35,800
proposals for design services for Avalon Road, from U.S. 192 to Hartzog Road. I'm requesting

743
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,020
board selection of one firm and two ranked alternates.

744
01:09:39,140 --> 01:09:41,780
Come and show your rebee was assigned to the procurement committee.

745
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:42,740
All right.

746
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,600
Thank you.

747
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,800
With that commissioner, your rebee would be like to offer a potential motion.

748
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:47,740
Yes, I would.

749
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:57,240
And move for the selection of Pegasus Engineering LLC at 480 points with DRMP ink at 428.33 points

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,980
and BCC Engineering LLC with 300.

751
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,240
All right, we have a second-by-commissioner Gomez, cadero, all in favour of the

752
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:16,020
enormous saying aye, aye. Opposed no, motion passes, and it is unanimous. With that, we move

753
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:20,920
now to item 85 on the agenda and the smath is you recognize.

754
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:27,780
Thank you. This item begins on page 376 of your agenda. The procurement committee has evaluated proposals

755
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:33,680
for continuing professional traffic engineering services, I'm requesting board selection of three

756
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,820
firms and three ranked alternates. Commissioner Moore was assigned to the procurement committee.

757
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:43,260
All right, Commissioner Moore, would you like to offer potential motion?

758
01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:49,700
Yes, I move for the selection of Kimlin Horn and Associates at 488 put 75 points.

759
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:59,760
DRMP ink at 481 and F-Con at 442.25 with metric engineering at 432.5.

760
01:11:00,020 --> 01:11:02,520
Inward consulting engineers at 430,

761
01:11:03,020 --> 01:11:08,240
Minas Haken, Russeling at 427.5 as the ranked alternates.

762
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,340
Second, you're E-B.

763
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,320
All right, we have a motion in a second. All in a favor,

764
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:18,320
let it be noticing I oppose no motion passes and it is unanimous.

765
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,960
All right, thank you, Ms. Mathis.

766
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:22,940
Item A6 just for the record was canceled,

767
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:26,180
so there is no action being taken today.

768
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,680
With that, we'll now move on to the remaining portion

769
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,100
of our discussion agenda.

770
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,540
We're going to call on our County Administrative Mr.

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,140
Byron Brooks, to first introduce item B1 regarding

772
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,600
appointments to the value adjustment board,

773
01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:46,360
and with that, Mr. Brooks, you recognize.

774
01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:47,920
Thank you, Mayor Demings.

775
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,220
This is a son, a discussion agenda, to be one under tap, three pages, three,

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01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:58,100
ninety to three, ninety-one, and the laws of appointment of two commissioners, and one

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01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:03,760
citizen member to the 2024 Value Adjustment Board, and the designation of two

778
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,680
alternate commissioners, and one alternate citizen member to the value adjustment

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01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,740
board to say up front, there will be three actions needed from the board at the

780
01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:17,120
conclusion of this, and I'll explain the additional action in a moment.

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:22,240
As you know, the Value Adjustment Board is composed, comprised of two members of the Board

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:27,500
of County Commissioners and two alternates from the Board of County Commissioners.

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,960
One citizen member appointed by the Board, who must own Homestead Property within the County,

784
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,720
and one alternate citizen who must own Homestead Property within the County, and one member

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01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,300
of the School Board and one citizen member appointed by the School Board.

786
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:47,940
This morning, the board has been asked to appoint two primary board members in one citizen

787
01:12:47,940 --> 01:12:54,520
to the value adjustment board and appoint two commissioners in one citizen as alternates.

788
01:12:54,520 --> 01:13:01,040
Last year, commissioners, 3 Bay and Domains Cadero served as the primary board members

789
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:06,100
and commissioners, Wilson and Moore served as the alternate board members.

790
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:13,400
The citizen member has been Robert Culledwell and really Hawkins was the alternate.

791
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:20,040
Just for note, commissioners, Eurebe, and Gomez Guerrero have indicated willingness to

792
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,460
serve if, unless other members have interest.

793
01:13:25,180 --> 01:13:31,760
In addition, Mayor, and this is the new action required this year, I do to a recent opinion

794
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,060
from the Florida Department of Revenue, the Office of General Counsel, the Board of

795
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:41,600
County Commission is also being asked to appoint one primary member as the chair

796
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:47,380
of the Value Adjustment Board and the legal counsel for the Value Adjustment Board is also

797
01:13:47,380 --> 01:13:52,780
recommended that the Board appoint two vice-tears, one primary member and one alternate

798
01:13:52,780 --> 01:13:53,420
member.

799
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:59,740
So, the action's appointment of two commissioners to serve on the Value Adjustment Board,

800
01:13:59,740 --> 01:14:02,540
to commissioners and service alternates,

801
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,240
appoint the citizen number and the alternate number,

802
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,000
and select the chair and two vice-chairs

803
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,680
for the value adjustment board.

804
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,780
Okay, so first, let me just verify here publicly.

805
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,360
Commissioners, you reband, Gomez, Cadero,

806
01:14:21,620 --> 01:14:28,040
you both willing to continue serving and if so,

807
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:42,060
Is either of you interested in being the chair and then we'll look to the second if you are both interested to being one of the vice chairs

808
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:55,560
If I'm if I'm not a smayer from this week, sorry if I'm not mistaken what we're looking at is an alternative by share because the way the roles are Commissioner Gomez Cordero and I alternate every year chair and vice chair

809
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,900
but we're looking at adding an additional alternate vise share in case.

810
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:07,050
The chair or vice chair, you need a primary vice chair as well as an alternate vice chair.

811
01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:13,430
Okay, so that's a slight difference. So you could have, I'm just throwing out an example.

812
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:20,290
Commissioner, you rebate could be the chair for VAB and Commissioner Gomez Cadero could be the vice chair.

813
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:29,350
And then with respect to the remaining commissioners that are serving as alternates, one of those commissioners could be a vice chair as well.

814
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:38,070
Okay. So let's take care of the first issue. That is the chair and the primary vice chair.

815
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:40,870
Commissioner, you'll be best to chair right now. So you can continue.

816
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:46,290
Okay. Commissioner, you rebaves willing to continue in the role as chair.

817
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:47,450
And I will vice chair.

818
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:48,110
Oh, okay.

819
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:55,450
And Commissioner Gomez-Gadero is willing to continue in the role as the primary vice chair.

820
01:15:55,450 --> 01:16:02,850
Okay, and Commission of Wilson and Commission of Moore currently serve as all

821
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:08,790
alternates and Commission of Moore has indicated that she is willing to serve in the role

822
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:19,530
of the alternate vice chair. Okay, and so we have that and we still need

823
01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:30,230
The citizen and Robert Caudwell has indicated, willing to continue to serve as the member and

824
01:16:30,230 --> 01:16:34,990
really Hawkins has indicated, willing to continue to serve as the alternate citizen member.

825
01:16:35,570 --> 01:16:36,170
Okay, so we,

826
01:16:38,190 --> 01:16:43,790
with Roy Benby, he's interested in being a former alternate.

827
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:45,230
All right.

828
01:16:45,670 --> 01:16:46,770
I have a question here.

829
01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:50,450
I don't know what the whole board do we have, someone? No.

830
01:16:50,890 --> 01:16:53,190
Oh, you don't have to point. The school board, the school board,

831
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:55,770
him was that. They have, we have a point met and there's still some

832
01:16:55,770 --> 01:16:58,670
point. The board of counter commissions does not have to act on that.

833
01:16:59,530 --> 01:17:08,610
Okay. All right. And so with that, then Rue Hawkins would be the Robert

834
01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:13,170
Caldwell would be the member of the value of Descent Boyd and Rue Hawkins

835
01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:22,370
would be the alternate number. Okay, and so if we all clear as a member, the current voting board of

836
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:30,550
County Commission is the emotion to some of. Okay, we have a question. By commission of

837
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:37,770
Borneus, second by Commissioner Yerebe, all in favor, later, we know I'm saying aye. I oppose no

838
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:44,230
motion passes and it is unanimous of those members of board who are present.

839
01:17:45,550 --> 01:17:55,090
And with that, I think we have taken care of all of it, hopefully that is clear to the

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01:17:55,090 --> 01:17:55,470
clerk.

841
01:17:55,910 --> 01:18:00,770
Let me just make sure that the control of the clerk is clear on the action that was taken.

842
01:18:01,870 --> 01:18:02,210
All right.

843
01:18:02,530 --> 01:18:05,830
With that then we'll move to the next item on our agenda.

844
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:11,810
And this is an item that we're asking our Assistant County Administrator, Mr. Lisa Snee,

845
01:18:12,010 --> 01:18:16,450
to present the Second Amendment to the Visitor Land of Tourism Promotion Agreement.

846
01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:22,590
I do recognize that we have members from Visitor Lando here.

847
01:18:22,670 --> 01:18:25,710
Ms. Cassandra Mante, there she is.

848
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:31,870
I know she's here with the President and the CEO as well as other members of the board of directors

849
01:18:31,870 --> 01:18:34,670
and with that Ms. Snee, you recognize.

850
01:18:34,670 --> 01:18:38,910
Good morning Mayor, Good Morning Commissioner, Good Morning Comptroller Dietin.

851
01:18:41,770 --> 01:18:46,070
Today we're here to talk to you to request Board approval on the second amendment to the

852
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:51,330
2019 Tourism Promotion Agreement, and that includes all of the changes that were directed

853
01:18:51,330 --> 01:18:58,690
by the Board to negotiate an agreement with Visitor Lando incorporating also additional enhancements,

854
01:18:59,050 --> 01:19:04,810
transparency and fiscal safeguards, including not limited to the accounting and investment

855
01:19:04,810 --> 01:19:08,170
And so I'll go through those with you.

856
01:19:08,850 --> 01:19:12,110
On January 23rd, the Board gave direction on an amendment

857
01:19:12,110 --> 01:19:15,050
for the county to negotiate with visit Orlando,

858
01:19:15,730 --> 01:19:19,130
and they provided direction on funding for future TTT funds.

859
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:22,390
The Board also requested that Comphorler's Office

860
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:24,930
conduct an audit, and that audit is in progress,

861
01:19:25,010 --> 01:19:27,330
and the Comphorler is indicated that they

862
01:19:27,330 --> 01:19:30,090
won't issue an interim report with any significant issues

863
01:19:30,090 --> 01:19:32,650
identified no later than September 1st.

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01:19:33,250 --> 01:19:50,650
On the 26th, we came back to the board and we amended the clause that would allow the board to terminate to allow time for us to negotiate these issues that the board directed us on and that changed the date for non-renewal to April 3rd to June 17th.

865
01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:59,960
So I just wanted to list that we are happy to report that we did include in this amended agreement that we have come to all

866
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,000
All of the five items that the Board of County Commissioners directed staff to include in the agreement.

867
01:20:05,380 --> 01:20:08,100
And that was a vote by the Board of County Commissioners unanimously.

868
01:20:09,180 --> 01:20:13,800
So the first one is the appointment of a county commissioner to the Visitor Lando Board.

869
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:20,240
And that would be one of two BCC appointments if the mayor or designate is not elected official.

870
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:29,060
The second item is a reduction. The board clearly asks for a reduction in the funding to visit Orlando of 15 million annually.

871
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:36,140
and to extend the terms of the agreement to September 2028 with incorporation of changes and a four-year

872
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:40,040
auto-renuant provision to be approved by the Board of County Commissioners.

873
01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:46,980
The third item was the ARP funding at 5 million per year to be paid from TDT from a reduction to VO funding.

874
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:56,400
The fifth item that the board included asked us to include was funding of 10 million year for the sports incentive fund to be paid directly

875
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:03,180
from the O's 30% allocation, and the last provision was to include a provision to the agreement

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01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:07,360
which sets a reasonable scale based on thresholds for funding of these items in the

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01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:14,960
event a significant decrease in TDT revenue or in the event that SIC or ARC accumulates

878
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:24,080
significantly large excess balances. So the provisions for that on the excess balances are that

879
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:31,200
If the four-year renewal occurs, any cumulative growth in the TDT that occurs would be

880
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,220
applied to sick and also arc.

881
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:41,260
So as the TDT grows, so do those positive funds in the second portion of those terms.

882
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:47,750
We also were able to include several other provisions into the agreement.

883
01:21:47,790 --> 01:21:53,410
We've been working closely with the Comptroller's Office, and we've included a right

884
01:21:53,410 --> 01:21:56,410
to inspect and audit, and we've expanded that, right?

885
01:21:56,410 --> 01:22:00,630
The county has included a provision to allow the county to address or amend the contract

886
01:22:00,630 --> 01:22:05,110
for any finding determined to be material concerned by the county administrator or the

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01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:06,570
Board of County Commissioners.

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01:22:07,190 --> 01:22:13,670
We have included enhanced guidelines for reserved levels, and those guidelines basically show

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01:22:13,670 --> 01:22:23,510
that if Visitor Lando has more than three months of accumulated TTT revenues that are

890
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:29,390
They would have to come before the Board of County Commissioners to ask for approval of those appropriations.

891
01:22:30,490 --> 01:22:34,750
The other item was to also enhance their investment,

892
01:22:37,050 --> 01:22:39,810
exhibit the, which will end up being,

893
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:47,590
except it is a list of the investments that Visitor Lando would contain their investments too.

894
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:52,570
And that was provided as guidance from the Controllers Office.

895
01:22:52,570 --> 01:22:58,190
And then lastly, a clear segregation of funds, we want to make sure that taxpayer dollars are clearly

896
01:22:58,190 --> 01:23:01,250
delineated from non-tax payer funds.

897
01:23:01,810 --> 01:23:06,170
And so all of those additional provisions that were things that we've added since we met

898
01:23:06,170 --> 01:23:08,450
on the 23rd have been included in this agreement.

899
01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:17,810
So with that, the next action would be a request for approval of the amendment as presented.

900
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:24,290
Okay, I'll entertain questions and comments by members of the board.

901
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:26,330
I'll start with commissioner Moore.

902
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:35,300
Lisa Kittu, talk a little bit about how many meetings and how long this process was to enable

903
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:42,440
you to come up with a contract that reflected what this board gave guidance back in January.

904
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:43,760
Sure.

905
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:49,200
So, obviously there's been several meetings in addition to the board meetings, TDC Council

906
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:54,680
has approved the plans that were adopted, you know, by the board on the 23rd of January.

907
01:23:56,060 --> 01:24:02,100
Gosh, just I'm sure we've had at least 10 meetings total from January to now, between

908
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:09,120
Visitor Lando, Staff, and also we've had several conversations with the Controllers Office.

909
01:24:10,140 --> 01:24:15,620
I'm prepared to make a motion whenever you're entertaining with it.

910
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:16,900
You can.

911
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:17,900
Okay.

912
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:18,640
Continue.

913
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,980
We'll continue the battle.

914
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,220
We'll put a motion on the floor because we can still discuss.

915
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,100
I'd like to move the approval and execution of the second amendment to the 2019 Orange County

916
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:33,040
Florida and Orlando Orange County Convention and Visitors Bureau.

917
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,840
Tours and Promotion Agreement is amended.

918
01:24:36,260 --> 01:24:43,660
Okay. Is there a second? Okay. I'll second the motion but we'll continue the discussion.

919
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:51,620
Anything else? Commissioner Moore? No, I just wanted to be sure, you know, what the depth and breath of trying

920
01:24:51,620 --> 01:24:59,980
trying to get the contract to look like what this board collaboratively recommended in January. So, she answered the question. Thank you.

921
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,680
All right, commission of only a second?

922
01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:05,280
Is there a second? Oh, I was going to submit.

923
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,940
Okay. All right, commission of only a.

924
01:25:11,860 --> 01:25:16,580
So I have a few concerns on this contract.

925
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,860
I know we discussed them and during a sunshine meeting.

926
01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:27,380
So I liked that commissionary rebe had mentioned about a ceiling,

927
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:35,380
Because I, in my conversations in our briefing to something came up where, if there's, if there's

928
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:41,420
any leftover funds, then it will come to the board to use for ARC or whatever else.

929
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:47,720
But my concern was there's nothing in there that states that they should only spend what they

930
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,220
had already budgeted.

931
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,160
So they could, you know, if they see that they have more money, then they just spend it,

932
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:54,460
and they won't have anything left over.

933
01:25:54,460 --> 01:26:00,380
So, there was nothing there to hold them to that, and so, commissioner, you rebe came up

934
01:26:00,380 --> 01:26:04,760
with the idea of at least a ceiling, because if they're going to add a floor to this, the

935
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,100
90 million, then there should also be a ceiling.

936
01:26:07,940 --> 01:26:13,780
So, you know, in these negotiations, you know, we had our demands, and they came with their

937
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:20,460
demands, but with their demands, additional demands to it, I think there should be, you know,

938
01:26:20,460 --> 01:26:28,360
another negotiation, like us now discussing that, and us having our new demands, and it

939
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:35,040
going back to negotiation again, that I think that's required at this point. So, you know,

940
01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:40,120
I'll let, I mean, I'll share my floor, my time with Commissioner Ruby, she wants to jump in

941
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,380
with her idea of the ceiling.

942
01:26:42,740 --> 01:26:45,140
Or if you, you'll do that this time?

943
01:26:45,340 --> 01:26:47,700
I'm not done, but I want to share it on my comment.

944
01:26:48,460 --> 01:26:49,800
Okay, do you want me to continue then?

945
01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:50,120
Yes.

946
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:59,960
All right, so another concern that I had was with the governing duties and the strategic direction

947
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:06,200
being guided by their board, the visit Orlando board, and I definitely understand that,

948
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:15,880
But in prior years, when there was a campaign that was going to brand the county, the Board

949
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:21,320
of County Commissioners were involved in that conversation, and we're given the opportunity

950
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,660
to say, yeah, or nay, to that branding campaign.

951
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,620
This new campaign, though, I'm believe, believe real.

952
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:32,780
We had no saying that they just came to us and they were like, this is what we did.

953
01:27:33,340 --> 01:27:39,280
And, you know, it was what it was and there was, all the money was spent on that campaign

954
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:44,440
and we had no recourse to be able to say, hey, maybe we should, you know, try something

955
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:48,760
different or maybe you should do some more marketing research on that.

956
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,680
So I really feel that there's anything that's going to brand the county that we should have

957
01:27:54,680 --> 01:28:01,480
some say in that, because it's representing us and, you know, what we were here elected

958
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:07,800
by the people, it's very important that we represent the best branding for the county and

959
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:08,220
the people.

960
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:15,080
So, that's something that I want to see us more, how you can work control over, or at least

961
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,520
some say in, and that when a brand comes to branding the county.

962
01:28:24,430 --> 01:28:30,710
I think that's all I have for the moment, because I know we discuss a couple of other things

963
01:28:30,710 --> 01:28:34,850
in the sunshine, but I just can't remember right now, so I might come back.

964
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:36,110
All right.

965
01:28:36,670 --> 01:28:39,650
Commissioner, you're rebate.

966
01:28:40,350 --> 01:28:41,430
Yes, Mayor.

967
01:28:42,230 --> 01:28:45,890
And, Lisa, there's a couple points that I had brought up when we had our meeting.

968
01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:50,770
One, we were very specific that we didn't want an automatic renewal.

969
01:28:50,910 --> 01:28:53,490
That was something Commissioner Benilla brought up.

970
01:28:53,530 --> 01:28:57,010
We wanted to make sure this came in front of the county commissioners.

971
01:28:57,010 --> 01:29:03,870
it was time to renew the contract, I think that we learned a lot this time because we didn't

972
01:29:03,870 --> 01:29:10,210
just do a consent agenda. I don't mean it just went through and requiring, you know, I actually

973
01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:16,750
dove in and found out about the 180 days and sent the memo to Byron, but I think it's prudent.

974
01:29:17,090 --> 01:29:21,810
We are as an elected body here to represent the people who live here and there was a comment that

975
01:29:21,810 --> 01:29:25,030
40% of the workforce works in the industry.

976
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:30,230
Well, then I'm sure that percentage also votes for their elected to look out for them and what

977
01:29:30,230 --> 01:29:30,590
happens.

978
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:37,310
And I think that that was very, very said, because obviously, previously, we've been caught

979
01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:38,590
out and can send agenda items.

980
01:29:38,810 --> 01:29:44,170
But this time, we wanted a hard termination date.

981
01:29:44,710 --> 01:29:49,150
And that way would allow us to review this out of four-year process.

982
01:29:49,150 --> 01:29:53,630
we were just seeing yesterday and that all of us will be here in four years, some of us will,

983
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:58,790
some of us won't, but I think it's very prudent, because our job is to be prudent with taxpayer

984
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:59,970
dollars and make sure that we're-

985
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:12,400
Another major concern that stood up to me and this was something I brought up was the grant and funding issued to agencies that required a Board of County Commission approval.

986
01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:26,820
For instance, United Arts, for instance, Camping World, we noticed in their own agenda minutes in June that they were issuing funds for whatever reason, but you start looking at who's in charge.

987
01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:35,640
These agencies have to come in front of the Board of County Commission to get approval and I think it's important that we maintain that respective authority and designation of tax funds.

988
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:47,340
And for them as an executive board to just release those funds, you really start wondering who are they reporting to visit Orlando or the Board of County Commissioners.

989
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,500
And that is a procedure that already exists right now.

990
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:52,960
In addition,

991
01:30:57,060 --> 01:31:06,560
the ground that we're at, $90 million is still more than the entire state of Florida receives for visit Florida funding.

992
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:13,540
And when we came into this agreement, one of the main reasons, and a Commission of the Indian I were all about a percentage,

993
01:31:13,740 --> 01:31:16,380
Commission of the Indian wanted to cut them a whole lot more than I did.

994
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:22,380
because I just want to make it clear, visit Orlando has a purpose in what it does, and the marketing,

995
01:31:23,420 --> 01:31:30,560
and also I do want to say that the sports incentive is actually it's a lot of our revenue that we

996
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:36,780
make in this town, including all the upcoming games, all the collegiate things that go on,

997
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:43,240
you and your team have done an incredible job at making us a county that people want to come

998
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:47,200
and participate in do, but at the same time,

999
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,540
I worry about our arc funding.

1000
01:31:50,260 --> 01:31:52,040
And so when we sat here and said,

1001
01:31:54,660 --> 01:31:57,720
this would guarantee that we would get $5 million.

1002
01:31:58,580 --> 01:31:59,980
Well, we never got the Astric.

1003
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,780
This would guarantee $5 million as long as they make $90 million.

1004
01:32:04,180 --> 01:32:05,720
And nowhere were we agreeing to that.

1005
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,140
We were agreeing to that because, and I quote,

1006
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:13,160
we expect tourism to dip and this would protect us

1007
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:19,020
as it dips and yet the opposite has happened. It continues to flourish and grow. We've got more

1008
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:25,060
breaking numbers. Thank you, Mr. Phil Diamond, for reporting on those. So here we are protecting

1009
01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:32,740
an agency who already is gets multi-millions over the state of Florida. But now we're saying even

1010
01:32:32,740 --> 01:32:39,390
for our programs which are allowed to be used by tourists, development tax funded, including the

1011
01:32:39,390 --> 01:32:41,950
African-American Museum, including the Dr. Phillips Center,

1012
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:45,370
including any potential projects that are coming forward.

1013
01:32:45,730 --> 01:32:48,990
And during the task force, the majority of them

1014
01:32:48,990 --> 01:32:51,030
were directed to go through arc funding.

1015
01:32:52,610 --> 01:32:56,690
So two points, one, that doesn't make sense.

1016
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:58,610
$90 million is so a lot of money.

1017
01:32:58,690 --> 01:33:00,490
But if you're going to set a floor,

1018
01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:01,690
how about we set a ceiling?

1019
01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:03,590
Because right now, through the applications

1020
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:04,810
that have been submitted through arc,

1021
01:33:05,210 --> 01:33:08,370
we are $34 million in the red.

1022
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:15,610
So we don't have even enough TDT funding that is qualified for ARC funding to even protect us.

1023
01:33:15,610 --> 01:33:18,210
And it would be good to see some sort of ceiling.

1024
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:20,610
We know they're going to be successful. We're growing.

1025
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:22,810
We're going to have 1500 more hotel rooms.

1026
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:26,870
We're going to have major league soccer games that are taking place to summer.

1027
01:33:27,130 --> 01:33:28,870
We have a new park that's opening.

1028
01:33:29,490 --> 01:33:34,750
How about there is a benefit to the agencies that qualify for some of this funding.

1029
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:44,370
They will also feed into bringing more people to our town and more people to visit Central Florida than what was there before.

1030
01:33:45,070 --> 01:33:51,950
But that other part is very least we very uneasy is issuing a funds to organizations that require border county commission approval.

1031
01:33:54,250 --> 01:34:19,090
And one last note, I know Mayor, you went to Tallahassee to the Florida Association of Counties and to the legislature based on what the task force suggested, which is a funding for housing, affordable housing for the people who work in this industry and I think we all agree, they can't afford to live in our town when police officers can't afford to live in our town.

1032
01:34:19,090 --> 01:34:33,690
And we also know that the legislature is looking at the incoming Speaker of the House is looking at funds from major, major counties who have a high revenue in tourism, where are we going to sit at that point?

1033
01:34:34,250 --> 01:34:39,810
Are we going to put any funding aside from tourist developments with the projects that we have forward?

1034
01:34:40,450 --> 01:34:42,370
Where does that responsibility come into us?

1035
01:34:42,370 --> 01:34:48,710
it would be nice to see that further as far as affordable housing, put it into affordable

1036
01:34:48,710 --> 01:34:52,890
housing trust fund, which would, if that happens, would it be allowed, but where are we

1037
01:34:52,890 --> 01:34:57,250
in preparation for that? So we're making a lot of decisions where we're camping out financially

1038
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:59,330
and we're not.

1039
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:11,100
We're not there. So I'd like to see better. I'd like to see, like I said, there is an absolute job for the agency and what they do. That's why they were given the position.

1040
01:35:11,660 --> 01:35:18,380
And that's why they do what they do and they're part of the overall of everyone's contribution to have people visit Central Florida.

1041
01:35:19,020 --> 01:35:27,640
But I think there should be some good government. It's a prudent government on our behalf as the representatives of people who live in this community to do better on that.

1042
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:57,540
So, that's my comments and I hope that we can get somewhere on that, but we haven't heard a lot of those things, and I think that if a floor is in place, a ceiling should be in place to benefit also, because when we made that agreement, I didn't know we were going to go into negotiations on what they're willing to take, and what we're willing to have, this is an agency that does these services on our behalf, I never knew they carried that much power to tell us what we're going to do.

1043
01:35:57,540 --> 01:36:00,540
And it's disappointing, because that was not the intent.

1044
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:02,280
Thank you.

1045
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,500
All right.

1046
01:36:04,740 --> 01:36:07,320
Commissioner Gomez Cadera has indicated

1047
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,360
as I ought to speak, and then followed by Commissioner Moore,

1048
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:15,080
and just turns a process of some of the questions

1049
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,800
of comments that have been raised at this point

1050
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,020
are of a legal nature.

1051
01:36:20,820 --> 01:36:24,240
And at some point, I'm going to ask the Assistant County attorney

1052
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:30,900
who's been involved directly in negotiations to kind of come back, given some of the dynamics

1053
01:36:30,900 --> 01:36:38,900
of what she's heard to opin on whether or not the agreement that is before us today that

1054
01:36:38,900 --> 01:36:48,480
has before today been a negotiated process, actually, between the county and visit Orlando and

1055
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,380
there's been some given take there.

1056
01:36:50,380 --> 01:36:56,640
But I want to make certain that we address it because I believe that in some regards

1057
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:03,480
the County Attorney's Office may believe that we do have some of the protections in

1058
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:10,800
Confine in this particular agreement to address some of what was brought up in those things that after we hear from her

1059
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:17,460
that may remain unresolved and we can have that conversation as a member

1060
01:37:17,460 --> 01:37:18,620
board

1061
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:23,220
Okay, and with that, I'm going to move to Commissioner Gomez Cadaro at this point.

1062
01:37:23,860 --> 01:37:24,320
Thank you, Mayor.

1063
01:37:24,860 --> 01:37:27,260
Thank you, Ms. Lisa, for the presentation.

1064
01:37:28,180 --> 01:37:31,240
I have, thank you, Stu, questions.

1065
01:37:32,620 --> 01:37:36,980
The first one, Ms. Lisa, you said about the audit that the control is doing.

1066
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:41,280
And in September 1st, it will be completed or that will be preliminary.

1067
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,040
Preliminary audit report.

1068
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,420
Okay, okay.

1069
01:37:44,420 --> 01:37:49,440
It's for a fact that, you know, it was mentioned so the people who know that is in process.

1070
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:54,920
Okay, and then my other question is,

1071
01:37:57,480 --> 01:38:00,680
and I don't think I discuss it with you yesterday,

1072
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:06,960
but you know that it was mentioned by my colleagues the four year, you know,

1073
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:09,880
after these four years, four years renewal.

1074
01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:12,160
I

1075
01:38:15,460 --> 01:38:24,140
mean, for me, you know, reading all the contract and so, it's important to know why, you know,

1076
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,560
that additional four years to go through.

1077
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:36,440
Why I'm saying this is because I know that they are events and things that they have to do,

1078
01:38:36,440 --> 01:39:06,420
visit Orlando, the sport, they have to commit to, right, to application, or several events that are coming here, right, is that is this, that's why I want to have clear is, it doesn't happen, will this, you know, not be helpful, you know, for them to, to commit for, I don't know, 2021, I just want to know,

1079
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:12,700
Because that's important, does that, yeah, four years, so yes, they make long-term commitments.

1080
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:18,600
Marketing is done well in advance of where we are today, and in addition to the legal stuff,

1081
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:24,920
I have some numbers here that if the board would like me to share, just, I mean, please,

1082
01:39:25,220 --> 01:39:31,640
time goes by very quickly in terms of the way that our processes work, and so the more lead time

1083
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,660
They can have for planning for the future and the markets that they hit, the better.

1084
01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:42,220
And again, it has the board has the ability to cancel the contract with that provision.

1085
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:44,260
So we could set a tickler.

1086
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:45,520
There would be no notification.

1087
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:46,500
It wouldn't just happen.

1088
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:50,820
It's always been that way with Visitor Lando that they come before this board.

1089
01:39:51,380 --> 01:39:54,840
This just allows us them to plan better into the future.

1090
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,540
So that's what it is.

1091
01:39:56,540 --> 01:39:59,980
It's important for them to know that you know the contract will be.

1092
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,340
Renewal for them to commit to these events and so on.

1093
01:40:05,740 --> 01:40:20,840
And the numbers charts that I was going to share kind of just do some scenarios. And one thing that I want to point out, in case I didn't make it clear earlier, was that in the agreement, there is an escalation clause in the second for your term.

1094
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:26,860
So that whatever the TTT grows by chemilatively is allocated to all groups.

1095
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:32,940
So the numbers that I show will show you like what SIC looks like at the end of the four-year

1096
01:40:32,940 --> 01:40:36,640
or each year throughout the contract, basically, based on TTT growth.

1097
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,920
And then that being shared with all of the other with SIC and ARC.

1098
01:40:41,540 --> 01:40:47,120
And then in addition to those, the portion of the pilot VO gets that they're sharing with VO and ARC.

1099
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:56,720
You've got your overall TDT which then will be growing and will not be allocated in just like the mayor, you know, brought this forward to the board for consideration last year.

1100
01:40:57,180 --> 01:41:04,680
The board at that time would be probably considering how to spend those excess TDT dollars. That wouldn't be a decision made by VO.

1101
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:19,440
In terms of the TTT overall, so yeah, in terms of the visitor-lando portion, there is an escalation

1102
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:28,380
clause that as it grows as the VO 30% dollar amount grows, it gets evenly a portion

1103
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:34,000
to SIC and ARC in the second four years of the contract that's being presented.

1104
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:35,220
I don't know.

1105
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:37,100
I can share the numbers if you want.

1106
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:38,400
I've ran some spreadsheets just to start.

1107
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,280
Go ahead if you have it.

1108
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,440
If you have it, I think that's kind of similar.

1109
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:44,580
I did two scenarios.

1110
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:45,980
Can I pass?

1111
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:13,560
So probably going to be hard to read.

1112
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,880
So I'm just going to draw your attention to some specific numbers.

1113
01:42:21,230 --> 01:42:21,550
All right.

1114
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:26,660
So this is based on a 2% growth.

1115
01:42:26,660 --> 01:42:33,720
So, if you'll just, if I can draw your attention to the first column, after the fiscal year,

1116
01:42:33,740 --> 01:42:40,820
column, TDT to VO, so basically based on our projections and, unfortunately, this, what,

1117
01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:49,440
based on our projections of 2% growth and taking out the 15 million for the sports incentive

1118
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:56,400
and the arc for the first four years, you can see that VO's amount would be based on

1119
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,780
projections, it would be in 2025.

1120
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:05,440
There's one second here. In 2025 it's going to be 85.4

1121
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:15,960
million in 2026, 87 million, 2027, 89, 2028, 91 and up to 96. So I'm going to slide this over

1122
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:23,100
here to show the kind of how this impacts cumulative growth would impact arc and sports

1123
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:28,360
incentive. So if you look and I'm sorry for the audience who can't see the full chart,

1124
01:43:28,900 --> 01:43:34,760
I can have extra copies if anybody needs them. But essentially in the second year of the

1125
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:42,760
contract, the second term, which will be 2029, the arc amount would grow by a cumulative amount

1126
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:53,380
of 6%, so it would grow to 5.3 million, and then 5.6, 5.9, and 6.3, and then SIC would

1127
01:43:53,380 --> 01:44:01,140
also grow from the 10 million to the 10.6 to the 11.2 to the 11.9 to the 12.6. And so

1128
01:44:01,140 --> 01:44:06,000
there is a growth factor built in there for those two things. And then if you go back

1129
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:13,700
the overall TBT. You can see that, I mean, the direction that the board gave, what

1130
01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:19,380
did something here. The direction that the board gave to kind of give visitor land of this

1131
01:44:19,380 --> 01:44:26,320
haircut impacts visitor land of growth, but in terms of the growth for the rest of the

1132
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:35,300
county's TBT, it continues to grow at a healthy percentage. I also did the same model

1133
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:43,030
over 8% and I'm just going to slide over to the far right there to show.

1134
01:44:44,090 --> 01:44:49,910
So in this four year and this agreement in the second four years, you can see that there's

1135
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:57,850
a pretty significant cumulative growth factor and the 5 million for arc by the time this

1136
01:44:57,850 --> 01:44:59,970
screen or be done would be 12.6 now.

1137
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,700
And the 10 million for SIC by the time this would be done would be 25.2 million. And the total TDT collections

1138
01:45:09,700 --> 01:45:23,160
would be 574 million dollars. So I don't know if I confused or I helped to understand that issue,

1139
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,540
But what I was trying to demonstrate is that there

1140
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:30,040
is a provision to grow those two pots of funds

1141
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:34,440
in this agreement in the second four-year term.

1142
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:38,640
Thank you, Ms. Mason.

1143
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:45,440
So what I'm understanding here, you modeled a 2% growth

1144
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:47,460
projection and an 8%.

1145
01:45:47,460 --> 01:45:52,440
And those were just examples of could be.

1146
01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:55,100
And if

1147
01:45:58,940 --> 01:46:20,540
to commissioner your rebase point, I believe what she was making was that there's no ceiling related to the growth projections or significantly more than 2% of what have you.

1148
01:46:20,540 --> 01:46:28,620
I will tell you, we, we, the good news in our community is our tourism, it's pretty phenomenal,

1149
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:36,600
it's growing, with the opening of epic universe and investments that are the theme parts

1150
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:46,080
of making from SeaWorld to universal and Disney. It does vote well for the future historically,

1151
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:54,360
What we have seen any time that there was a new theme park that was open on major investment.

1152
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:58,160
We saw the tourism numbers go up.

1153
01:46:59,420 --> 01:47:08,580
And so, at this point, I believe the controller will agree that in the recent months,

1154
01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:15,940
We are seeing continued record breaking numbers of tourism, tourism, tourism,

1155
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:22,740
development tax of receipts, and I just saw even yesterday for the state of Florida, the

1156
01:47:22,740 --> 01:47:27,960
governor's office released the tourism numbers for the state of Florida and

1157
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,680
Florida's numbers increase significantly.

1158
01:47:33,220 --> 01:47:36,660
And so I do believe that right now,

1159
01:47:37,060 --> 01:47:41,520
we can't precisely for a tale of what the future

1160
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:42,520
would bring.

1161
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:46,520
But if there's a plan, there's a floor.

1162
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:52,420
And where those numbers, we do not continue to pay

1163
01:47:52,420 --> 01:47:59,260
of the rate, and if somehow the board wanted to cap

1164
01:47:59,260 --> 01:48:08,120
of the creative ceiling, where we would not want to contribute

1165
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:12,880
contractually to VEO in that second-four-year term,

1166
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:18,880
perhaps that could be tied to CPI, you know,

1167
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:29,140
If we look for some kind of balance, in terms of what is in our contract, I'm just saying

1168
01:48:29,140 --> 01:48:36,720
Commissioner your rebate, perhaps to be fair to the fair to our community, if you wanted

1169
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:45,900
to take the guesswork somewhat out of what the growth may be, and we simply say that it would

1170
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:57,860
be whatever CPI is or whatever else, if it's a lower rate, there's a way to perhaps

1171
01:48:57,860 --> 01:49:05,100
structure that language to get to where you're talking about, just as an example of how

1172
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:08,260
you may be able to address that.

1173
01:49:08,260 --> 01:49:13,160
And then if the board is comfortable with the O's budget

1174
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:17,600
grown by whatever, the growth percentage

1175
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:23,280
would be in actual collections, then that's what

1176
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,380
is contemplated at this point.

1177
01:49:25,860 --> 01:49:28,960
And so Commissioner Gomez Cadero, since you

1178
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,340
posed the question, I just kind of wanted to interject.

1179
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:34,960
I think trying to understand what you're asking here

1180
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:36,860
and what I've heard at this point.

1181
01:49:36,860 --> 01:49:39,360
So I'll go back to Commissioner Gomez Cadera.

1182
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:41,980
Thank you, Mayor. I just want to make clear.

1183
01:49:43,020 --> 01:49:46,030
Again, four years, we knew all four years,

1184
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:49,820
unless the BCC would bring it up for anything.

1185
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:51,980
Okay. That's what I wanted to know.

1186
01:49:51,980 --> 01:49:54,120
Because it can happen. Okay.

1187
01:49:54,700 --> 01:49:55,860
Okay. Thank you.

1188
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,820
All right. That's exactly. So we didn't change.

1189
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:10,200
The Board did say that provision. That's how the current contract we just extended that same action that is still in the board's control.

1190
01:50:11,540 --> 01:50:29,980
Okay, so let me ask, now the Citizen County Attorney, if you will come off for and you can kind of address the issue, the contractual issues that about termination, you know, there's a clause in the agreement.

1191
01:50:29,980 --> 01:50:34,820
minutes that talks about a termination of the contract, et cetera, et cetera.

1192
01:50:35,940 --> 01:50:36,960
Good morning, Mayor commissioners.

1193
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:38,040
Thank you.

1194
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:44,120
So a couple of points, Mayor, as you mentioned, the negotiations have been lengthy.

1195
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:49,840
And sometimes heated, we have had some given take on both sides.

1196
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:55,020
And I think, as Lisa pointed out, where we landed, we have checked all the boxes

1197
01:50:55,020 --> 01:50:57,960
in terms of what the board directed us to do in January.

1198
01:50:59,140 --> 01:51:01,040
Commissioner Rebase, are you shaking your head?

1199
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:01,700
I disagree.

1200
01:51:01,900 --> 01:51:04,480
So let me touch on a couple of the things that I've heard today.

1201
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:06,960
First with regard to the ceiling.

1202
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:08,360
I know we've added a floor.

1203
01:51:08,820 --> 01:51:12,680
The floor was included in the PowerPoint and in the discussion that we talked about in January.

1204
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,600
There was some language in the PowerPoint that said,

1205
01:51:15,740 --> 01:51:21,060
we would add the $15 million cut or deduct the $15 million cut for sick and

1206
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:23,980
arc provided that we did include a floor in the contract.

1207
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,500
So that concept was included in the motion in January.

1208
01:51:26,500 --> 01:51:32,580
There wasn't a concept of a ceiling because right now, visit Orlando, is capped at 30% of TTT.

1209
01:51:32,900 --> 01:51:33,440
That's under the tour.

1210
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:34,180
It's well in plan.

1211
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:38,300
It's under the existing contract as well as this amendment to the contract.

1212
01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:44,620
In terms of the auto renewal provision, I know there's been some discussions about that.

1213
01:51:44,900 --> 01:51:49,640
Again, in January, what you approved was an extension of the contract to 2028.

1214
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:58,100
The 180-day provision for the county to terminate this agreement, if you or the county administrator at your direction,

1215
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:04,820
deems that continuation of the contract is not in the county's best interest, which is frankly pretty broad.

1216
01:52:05,380 --> 01:52:09,580
You know, I would argue that that is almost the equivalent of a termination at WillClos.

1217
01:52:10,540 --> 01:52:14,340
That has been in the contract and it continues to be in the contract.

1218
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:20,240
As part of the negotiations, visitor Orlando did ask us to include the auto renewal clause,

1219
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,140
and that was one of the negotiating points that we made.

1220
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,020
They gave a little, we gave a little, and it went back and forth on both sides.

1221
01:52:27,060 --> 01:52:28,800
But that is the way negotiations go.

1222
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:32,600
We can't come in with a hammer and make them do what we want them to do,

1223
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:34,320
unfortunately because it is a contract.

1224
01:52:35,480 --> 01:52:42,700
In terms of the arc funding, I know we wanted a $5 million guarantee for funding,

1225
01:52:42,700 --> 01:52:44,960
as well as the 10 million for sick.

1226
01:52:46,340 --> 01:52:52,760
We've included the floor in there as we've discussed to allow for a reduction in TDT funding.

1227
01:52:53,060 --> 01:52:58,800
Ultimately, if they receive a minimum of $90 million at the end of the day, they'll get $75 million

1228
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,360
with that $15 million reduction.

1229
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:05,280
As Lisa mentioned, we've included some escalation clauses for both sick and ARC.

1230
01:53:07,260 --> 01:53:09,140
Looking at my notes, here what else?

1231
01:53:11,410 --> 01:53:15,450
Is there anything else mayor that you specifically wanted me to touch on?

1232
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:16,850
It

1233
01:53:20,020 --> 01:53:29,500
was brought up again under Section 3 of this proposed agreement that you touched

1234
01:53:29,500 --> 01:53:33,440
on the fact that it would come back before the board.

1235
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:41,560
If at the end of the four year period of time, as you indicated, if we, the board of

1236
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:51,020
commission wanted to not renew. We have that ability within this contract to not renew.

1237
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:59,840
And so thereby, in my mind, it's not automatic renewal, because we do have that clause.

1238
01:54:00,340 --> 01:54:11,420
And I'm going to say that clause to the contract at that point. And so am I right

1239
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:18,860
You are correct, it would become automatic only if and when this board decides they did not want to invoke that clause.

1240
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:24,500
And I will add, Commissioner Gomez Cordero, you made an excellent point, which is, we have that clause in there.

1241
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:32,080
And the reason Visitor Lando wanted that auto renewal clause was because they are frequently marketing and selling events years in advance.

1242
01:54:32,540 --> 01:54:38,040
They are doing multi year deals, as is the Convention Center, the Convention Center is currently booked up to 2040 right now.

1243
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:47,200
And as I understand it, visit Orlando is doing six years out on their events, so that would inhibit their ability to do that, which is the entire point of what they're doing for the county.

1244
01:54:47,900 --> 01:54:57,140
So that is part of the reason why they asked for that in the contract and we thought that was a reasonable ask with that 180 day clause for the county to cancel if we think it's not in our best interest.

1245
01:54:57,980 --> 01:54:59,980
All right, and the other issue that came.

1246
01:55:02,740 --> 01:55:28,320
If there's a change in the floor to law to expand the eligible use of the tourist development tax funding, what the county about this agreement and some way being inhibited from being able to reallocate funding to those if there were new.

1247
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:35,160
expenditures that would be authorized on the floor to law.

1248
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,080
Kind of speak to that, if you will.

1249
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:39,000
Certainly, Mayor.

1250
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:42,380
And that was something we discussed with Commissioner Reba yesterday as well.

1251
01:55:42,420 --> 01:55:44,960
There is a provision in the current 2019 agreement.

1252
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:46,940
Section 1.5 of that agreement.

1253
01:55:47,540 --> 01:55:50,260
Does talk about our ability to fund visit Orlando,

1254
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:54,980
but it also limits it to our ability to both legally and financially meet those obligations.

1255
01:55:55,460 --> 01:55:58,100
We also have obligations to meet our debt service.

1256
01:55:58,540 --> 01:56:03,300
any of our bonds, any of our other agreements, all of that language is included in the contracts.

1257
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:09,300
So we do have the ability to, I mean, we're not, I guess what I should say is we're not obligated to pay the $90 million.

1258
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:13,240
That floor is simply a floor for purposes of funding sick and arc.

1259
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:18,480
It is not a minimum amount that we are now required to pay visit or a lando if anything else changes.

1260
01:56:18,780 --> 01:56:22,420
I think there may have been some misunderstanding about that, so I just want to make sure that's clear.

1261
01:56:22,420 --> 01:56:34,780
So, in your legal opinion, if the law changes in the expanded, eligible uses becomes a reality,

1262
01:56:35,740 --> 01:56:48,860
and, by the way, having discussed this whole issue about expanding it, discussed it with our colleagues,

1263
01:56:48,860 --> 01:56:56,460
with the Florida Association of Counties, discussed it with our local delegation in Tallahassee

1264
01:56:56,460 --> 01:57:03,980
that bipartisan delegation discussed it with other members of the Florida Legislature,

1265
01:57:04,420 --> 01:57:18,820
discussed it with industry experts and others. I discussed it with other colleagues from other

1266
01:57:18,820 --> 01:57:21,500
on, at least during this session in 2024,

1267
01:57:21,900 --> 01:57:27,400
there was really no appetite to expand the eligible uses.

1268
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:28,720
I don't know.

1269
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,620
We don't know what will happen in the future.

1270
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:36,440
Certainly, we made a noble attempt to try to get it.

1271
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,400
And we will continue to advocate where

1272
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:42,680
appropriate to expand the eligible uses.

1273
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:52,320
But I also take in mind that, because we have the blessing of robust tourist development tax

1274
01:57:52,320 --> 01:58:01,660
receipts, it has allowed us to invest additional dollars into our arts and cultural

1275
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:12,080
community organizations as well as our sports incentive and all of those investments

1276
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:18,300
are making significant returns on that investment into our community, the proof was in the

1277
01:58:18,300 --> 01:58:23,520
putting this year in 2024 with some of the major supporting events that we were able to capture

1278
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:34,440
here from U.S. Olympic Marathon trials to the, we had the provol that was here, a number of soccer

1279
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:40,940
major soccer events and other things that happened within our community and I think that

1280
01:58:40,940 --> 01:58:53,100
those well for us. So any comment on what you see in that regard?

1281
01:58:54,220 --> 01:59:00,820
So, Mary, I think what I would leave you with is that based on the language that we have in the existing agreement in section 1.5.

1282
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:08,380
I think we have some flexibility, but obviously as a lawyer, I'm not going to give you an absolute until I've seen what the legislature does and what the absolute language is.

1283
01:59:08,380 --> 01:59:13,200
I can't give you an absolute definite today, but I can tell you that the contract provides some

1284
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:17,900
flexibility in terms of what we have in our tourist development plan and what we budget

1285
01:59:17,900 --> 01:59:19,240
for with our TDT.

1286
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:26,380
And Mayor, that also the point, at least it was making earlier, which is to say that the allocation

1287
01:59:26,380 --> 01:59:32,820
of visual window is not the only pot that may be available to the board, that if indeed the

1288
01:59:32,820 --> 01:59:38,160
TDT contains the performance it is or goes over time, those are the dollars that would

1289
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:43,120
available to the board to make whatever decision they like to make in terms of what's legally

1290
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:44,540
available to the board at that time.

1291
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:50,520
So I think that was other point that she was stressing that the board, again, with growth

1292
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:56,860
and as we've seen so far, but obviously we still only have the halfway end, but with that

1293
01:59:56,860 --> 01:59:59,980
growth and the TDT, those discs were dollars.

1294
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,480
Our bill would be available to the board for further analysis as well. It's not just about the money that's allocated to the bill.

1295
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:24,620
Okay, which we don't allocate. The point you're making is we don't allocate 100% of our TDT revenues to visit Orlando. We allocate those funds to other purposes and that will continue.

1296
02:00:24,620 --> 02:00:27,840
under the current negotiated language.

1297
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:32,780
The Board of County Commission does have that control

1298
02:00:32,780 --> 02:00:35,280
and that authority to meet the decision.

1299
02:00:36,220 --> 02:00:41,240
There was also another issue that came up

1300
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:44,700
and that was regarding strategic direction

1301
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:47,740
that would be given to the visit on land

1302
02:00:47,740 --> 02:00:52,580
So from a branding perspective,

1303
02:00:55,020 --> 02:01:01,840
there really is a reason why historically we have contracted

1304
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:07,700
with the tourism marketing arm, you know, it had been known by different things over

1305
02:01:07,700 --> 02:01:08,220
the years,

1306
02:01:11,260 --> 02:01:17,640
but the industry, you know, it's very complicated if the person

1307
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:26,360
who would be quoting those who would be contracting to come to our community with their conventions,

1308
02:01:27,620 --> 02:01:30,240
conferences, and other things.

1309
02:01:30,580 --> 02:01:40,600
That quoting process is a fairly unique process where we really don't want to limit ourselves

1310
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:45,420
because we're having county staff or employees engaged in that.

1311
02:01:46,220 --> 02:01:52,200
There are sometimes confidential conversations in that negotiated process to get to the

1312
02:01:52,200 --> 02:01:58,420
point where you have a contract that has to be protected otherwise we would inadvertently

1313
02:01:58,850 --> 02:02:06,960
make ourselves vulnerable to the market space, both the national and the global market space

1314
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:15,420
and how we negotiate that and because of Florida's very broad sunshine laws, public records

1315
02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:23,140
laws, and the like, we need an entity other than a governmental entity to do the work

1316
02:02:23,140 --> 02:02:26,800
that is being done by Visitor Alandum.

1317
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:41,160
And I think the wisdom of prior boards and even this board to contractually in and into an agreement with a non-governmental entity is the right thing to do.

1318
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,300
And we should continue that.

1319
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:49,580
So remember that they are a separate entity.

1320
02:02:49,580 --> 02:03:00,100
They are legal entity, and while they derive much of their funding, their budget from the county,

1321
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:05,180
that is why we enter into this agreement and we have as much to say about this as we do,

1322
02:03:05,540 --> 02:03:11,920
because they are so heavily dependent upon our funding, but they also do receive some other funding,

1323
02:03:13,140 --> 02:03:17,460
and in this agreement we want the dollars to be kept separately.

1324
02:03:17,460 --> 02:03:22,960
I know the controller has engaged in conversation with

1325
02:03:23,570 --> 02:03:28,580
visit Orlando to get comfortable with their investments

1326
02:03:28,580 --> 02:03:36,600
and where they park or deposit funds that are a derivative

1327
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:41,860
of a county tax period dollars so that we do protect our

1328
02:03:41,860 --> 02:03:49,900
interests through this contractual agreement with them. Within this agreement, they have agreed

1329
02:03:50,820 --> 02:03:58,900
to follow guidelines that have been established by the controller. I've had conversations with

1330
02:03:58,900 --> 02:04:04,740
the controller. Regarding this issue, I've had a conversation with visitor Orlando regarding this issue

1331
02:04:04,740 --> 02:04:14,720
And through a negotiated process, they have agreed to change some of those investment and

1332
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:20,840
depository types of decisions that they make to the benefit of the county.

1333
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:31,280
And so some of that you can't see from where you sit if you don't know how we got to the details

1334
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:42,160
in this agreement. So I do appreciate both sides, our staff, their well-experienced. This is in the first contract,

1335
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:49,360
the all that they have negotiated. We have decades of experience of negotiating in these contracts.

1336
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:59,880
And I have to say thank you to visit Orlando. This has been a painful process for them as well.

1337
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:22,100
To get to this point, so overall, I believe, we have reached a point where there is general consensus about it. I realize that it may not be 100% for either party, but I've had conversations with the control about his, his level of conflict.

1338
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:31,460
And overall he expressed general consensus about the level of conflict with perhaps one

1339
02:05:31,460 --> 02:05:32,160
on exception.

1340
02:05:32,420 --> 02:05:38,540
And I won't put words on his mouth, but I'll come back to the control on that.

1341
02:05:38,940 --> 02:05:45,660
But since we have members of the board who still want to jump in, I'm going to go back

1342
02:05:45,660 --> 02:05:47,220
to Commissioner Moore.

1343
02:05:47,220 --> 02:06:12,780
And then we'll go to Commissioner Eribe, Commissioner Vonier, and then finally the Commissioner Gomez Cadero, and then I'll go to the Comptroller and see if we have anything remaining to discuss, if need be I'll give a visit or land, I'll see the opportunity to come forward and make any comments as well after that.

1344
02:06:13,020 --> 02:06:14,380
So with that Commissioner Moore.

1345
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:16,420
Yes, I can agree with you.

1346
02:06:16,660 --> 02:06:19,560
This has been a painful, difficult, long process.

1347
02:06:20,160 --> 02:06:25,360
I know pretty much everyone in this board really has wanted to fund more into the

1348
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:30,160
ARC fund, so I'm hopeful as the fund grows we can continue to add more money there

1349
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:35,860
and I've been involved with the application on the periphery, and very proud of the

1350
02:06:35,860 --> 02:06:40,860
group that came together to apply behalf of Eatonville for the African American History

1351
02:06:40,860 --> 02:06:41,300
Museum.

1352
02:06:41,300 --> 02:06:46,500
And I know, Vizorlando was intimately involved in trying to put that brochure together.

1353
02:06:47,260 --> 02:06:52,560
And so it's my hope as we move forward that Vizorlando will promote if we get that museum.

1354
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:55,180
We're going to promote that entity.

1355
02:06:55,780 --> 02:07:02,820
We finally seen some other of our municipalities are smaller, unacorporate areas of flying for

1356
02:07:02,820 --> 02:07:03,460
these funds.

1357
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:07,720
And that's really what we were trying to do in the context of what the legislature

1358
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:14,360
allows us to do and so I just wanted to say I think it's really it's time it's time

1359
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:18,940
to move on and and deal with a lot of the other issues that this board has to deal

1360
02:07:18,940 --> 02:07:27,220
with and with that Mayor I'd love to to call the question all right we still do have

1361
02:07:27,220 --> 02:07:32,500
some questions hope before I call it I will hear from my colleagues commissioner

1362
02:07:32,500 --> 02:07:37,520
your rebate. Thank you, Mayor. Actually I appreciate everything that you said in the

1363
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:41,300
questions that you brought up. It's very interesting how Tallahassee actually

1364
02:07:41,300 --> 02:07:47,600
tried to take away our power as a local elected body to even limit us and

1365
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:52,000
tie our hands on how we could spend the funding that we collect here and have

1366
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:57,240
brought on visit Orlando with an agreement. So it makes you say, what? Why so much

1367
02:07:57,240 --> 02:08:02,660
And one of the things I know you wanted to ask, but

1368
02:08:02,660 --> 02:08:07,720
Comptroller Diamond, you had, there was a statement that was put out where the numbers came back higher in April.

1369
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:12,580
And the best thing that Lisa gave us were these projections.

1370
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:23,320
Do you all have the same agreement of where these numbers are as far as going forward with the two presentations that we've been given?

1371
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:33,080
It's miles back.

1372
02:08:33,700 --> 02:08:42,420
Miles, if you can turn on Commissioner Correction, Control of Diamonds, microphone.

1373
02:08:45,700 --> 02:08:46,040
He's someone.

1374
02:08:47,060 --> 02:08:47,420
He's someone.

1375
02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:48,620
He turned it on.

1376
02:08:52,060 --> 02:08:52,540
Okay.

1377
02:08:52,620 --> 02:08:53,280
That's better.

1378
02:08:54,620 --> 02:08:54,820
Okay.

1379
02:08:55,040 --> 02:09:02,220
Well, and just to be clear, when you say we are on the same page as far as the numbers, what numbers

1380
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:18,400
I mean, I know that these are conservative collections that are here, but we've seen that it's actually accelerating more than what was expected and even coming out for the Memorial Day and with the opening of New Park more hotels and so forth.

1381
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:25,100
These numbers seem a little conservative, but I didn't know if you all had the same trajectory going forward.

1382
02:09:25,100 --> 02:09:32,380
Um, I think first of all if you say, well, how have we done, you know, we just reported

1383
02:09:32,380 --> 02:09:37,640
the March numbers and March is the halfway point through our fiscal year, six months

1384
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:45,480
in, and March was a really, really good month, no question about it, and I hope we get many

1385
02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:54,700
more like that, but even after adding March into the mix, we're about flag for the six months

1386
02:09:54,700 --> 02:09:59,960
this year. Because we had, I think, eight months where we went down. And...

1387
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:20,000
March, pull us back to break even, and, you know, I think, I think with March and the timing of the vacate of Easter, and spring vacation, I think March took some of April's business, and I would be surprised if you had that.

1388
02:10:20,540 --> 02:10:33,300
I'd be surprised if April was an up month, as far as the rest of the year I hear conflicting things and time will tell.

1389
02:10:33,940 --> 02:10:34,940
Yeah, appreciate that.

1390
02:10:35,560 --> 02:10:42,420
What I do realize out of all of this is basically visit Orlando says they can make it with 25% of the TDT collection.

1391
02:10:42,420 --> 02:10:51,580
When you look at their number, they're saying 25%, so we should have gone to 25%, and then that way we would have, well you wanted 25, I thought that was a little too low.

1392
02:10:52,460 --> 02:10:57,900
They can make it on 25%. So their floor is 25% of the TDT collection.

1393
02:10:58,780 --> 02:11:08,160
So when we talk about painful, I don't constitute this as painful because when we see what's going on in our community and our housing and transportation crisis,

1394
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:14,140
tourist development tax collection is not in the same window of painful for me, but I do

1395
02:11:14,140 --> 02:11:21,480
appreciate, but even when we talk about these in four years from now, the amount of funding

1396
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:27,480
that we're talking percentage wise compared to what is collected. It's, it's outstanding.

1397
02:11:27,820 --> 02:11:32,520
I mean, if we want to go with these numbers and we want to give them the floor, then why don't we do

1398
02:11:32,520 --> 02:11:38,380
26% and call it a day and then everything extra goes to ARC because at the end of the day we're not

1399
02:11:38,380 --> 02:11:46,800
They're saying that's what they need 25% is what they need to make it for them to agree to give us the funding for sports in ARC

1400
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:52,740
So why don't we make the collection 26% then you don't then there's no more floor. There's no more ceiling

1401
02:11:52,740 --> 02:12:01,700
Then those excessive those excess funds can actually come and go to the ARC and can be done for our community because we're not seeing it now

1402
02:12:01,700 --> 02:12:09,280
And on the process of the automatic renewal, just like they have to plan, so that we plan.

1403
02:12:09,380 --> 02:12:14,460
So if they know their contract is up for renewal and they have to come before the Board of County Commission,

1404
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:15,840
that's their notice.

1405
02:12:16,360 --> 02:12:22,900
So as they're planning, they can plan that in four years, they have to be ready to come in front of the Board of County Commission

1406
02:12:22,900 --> 02:12:24,500
and see what issues are.

1407
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:30,680
I don't see again where we have to let them know that we want them to come to us

1408
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:35,740
to let us know what they think. If they know in 2028 they're contracts up and they're going to have to

1409
02:12:35,740 --> 02:12:40,280
come in front of the county commission. I think that is part of their planning. So as they're planning,

1410
02:12:40,420 --> 02:12:47,360
this is called administrative planning like all of us. And secondly, when we the budget and how that comes

1411
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:54,180
or for us is reading the agreement when it says they shall not go and lobby Tallahassee without our

1412
02:12:54,180 --> 02:12:59,280
approval of the budget, we never had that yet. We know they were they were in Tallahassee. So there are

1413
02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:04,140
things here that when we talk about planning, but ultimately at the end of the day, if we

1414
02:13:04,140 --> 02:13:10,200
want to floor and this ceiling, which is incredibly high where we're requesting the ceiling,

1415
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:15,760
why don't we call it a day and say they get 26% of the tertiary development renewal and

1416
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:21,360
then that way they'll grow from that number. They said they need to survive. So they came

1417
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:28,380
to us and said our floor is 25% for us to be able to give you those funds. So why not we just

1418
02:13:28,380 --> 02:13:36,260
make that the agreement. If that's their floor, then let that be their floor. Because you

1419
02:13:36,260 --> 02:13:43,100
gave us these figures right here and it makes sense and it comes down to 25.5.2 is their

1420
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:43,600
floor.

1421
02:13:45,800 --> 02:13:50,060
So that's the way the agreement. I mean this is a hypothetical scenario. This was purely

1422
02:13:50,060 --> 02:13:56,080
to demonstrate what it would look like based on a growth factor. But the 25% the changing their

1423
02:13:56,080 --> 02:14:02,920
percentage was discussed on the 23rd and the board. It didn't pass because we were told

1424
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:10,540
that's where we would guarantee the $15 million. But now there is a floor because that's part

1425
02:14:10,540 --> 02:14:17,540
of the negotiation that was done. I know you guys are negotiating. Yeah, they're their negotiation,

1426
02:14:18,420 --> 02:14:24,380
right? But when we made those requests, we did not say, okay, let's see if they'll take it.

1427
02:14:24,380 --> 02:14:28,880
are we going to play ball? Because obviously, if this was a take back and forth, then we should

1428
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:34,720
have gone lower, then come back and that's the art of negotiation. But at this point, we're

1429
02:14:34,720 --> 02:14:40,460
being told something yet. Now when it's our time to put a real ceiling, not this four years

1430
02:14:40,460 --> 02:14:46,860
from now as long as it goes here, can we do more? And as far as planning, when you know, you

1431
02:14:46,860 --> 02:14:54,360
have to come in front of the Board of County Commission for your renewal, you know, you can

1432
02:14:54,360 --> 02:14:59,980
will the county commissioner or the mayor at that time initiate them coming.

1433
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:12,780
Before us to do this. So again, you talked about their planning side, what about our planning side, and including this in their planning process. So that's where I'm at because we're defending that side, but we're not defending our own side.

1434
02:15:14,120 --> 02:15:26,160
I wanted to just make a circle back to on some numbers because I know the concern is if the TDT grows and then legislation changes and we wanted to fund housing or whatever that is.

1435
02:15:26,160 --> 02:15:33,320
But, again, the amount of change in these projections based on the 8% growth that would occur

1436
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:41,260
between the end of the eight years, for Vio, would be 36 million versus 446 million

1437
02:15:41,260 --> 02:15:42,540
to the overall TTT.

1438
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:48,100
So, if legislation changes, really, and you wanted to do something, the bigger part of

1439
02:15:48,100 --> 02:15:49,680
money, of course, is the 70 percent.

1440
02:15:50,780 --> 02:15:56,620
And I wanted to add, you talked about the given flow of negotiations, so that floor of the

1441
02:15:56,620 --> 02:15:58,840
90% there was a given take.

1442
02:15:58,980 --> 02:16:04,960
And in fact, one of the things that we then counted with and added to the contract as

1443
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:08,920
a slain is, then escalator in the second term as well.

1444
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:18,240
So this was it, this was, in every case, in fact, of anything, the leverage was more to the

1445
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:22,060
because clearly they know the old recognized ultimately they have to come to the Board of

1446
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:25,400
County Commission that the Board of County has answered through any of this.

1447
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:32,920
And so anything that was there that came up in most cases, we were able to then go a little

1448
02:16:32,920 --> 02:16:40,100
further and add other provisions to enhance the agreement for the benefit of the county

1449
02:16:40,100 --> 02:16:43,480
or put in dollars, put in escalation, clauses as well.

1450
02:16:43,860 --> 02:16:46,620
So I just wanted it when you were saying they just said, right, here it is, take an

1451
02:16:46,620 --> 02:16:50,960
believe it, that was never the case. In each case there was always, there was some things

1452
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:57,200
important to them, and things important to the county. We all start of the L and the county

1453
02:16:57,200 --> 02:17:00,200
started. We started with what the board approved.

1454
02:17:01,560 --> 02:17:06,100
But I don't think it would be a board. I'm sure that because like I said, when you stated

1455
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:10,740
this would guarantee, but you make an excellent point. So now we're stuck with the 70% which

1456
02:17:10,740 --> 02:17:15,480
were voting on committee. By the way, whether it's a convention center, camping world, all

1457
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:20,400
other projects. So really what leverage do we have? Hope that tourism does really, really great

1458
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:24,980
because we've sat here in Comptroller Diamond said this is what I feel comfortable saying

1459
02:17:24,980 --> 02:17:30,060
that we can go and bond which we haven't even worked out the bonding with the city to ensure

1460
02:17:30,060 --> 02:17:34,780
that the city does it. So now we're even handicapping ourselves even more because now we're saying

1461
02:17:34,780 --> 02:17:42,040
well that's other 70% outside and Wendy's, excuse me. And it was said to us outside of our

1462
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:46,120
amendments that are required that were bonded to pay and so forth, so then we're actually

1463
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:51,340
tightening our arms even tighter if there is an opportunity to help this hospitality industry

1464
02:17:51,340 --> 02:17:55,880
that can't afford to live in our town. So by committing all of our funds financially,

1465
02:17:56,020 --> 02:18:00,640
what controller Diamond has said, so we're going to commit ourselves on this bonding financially

1466
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:06,640
and where we see it and we must pay our bills. So now in your saying, well, it's going to be better

1467
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:10,180
and that's what we're going to take the access revenue but not good enough for us to do for something

1468
02:18:10,180 --> 02:18:16,340
Well, even if it's not, if it's reduced, if it's a percent, it's there about goes down as well.

1469
02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:18,300
There, there are 30 percent.

1470
02:18:18,860 --> 02:18:19,160
There are.

1471
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:24,340
You just said if the overall TDT does not increase, if overall TDT collections decreased.

1472
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:25,720
No, that's not what I'm saying.

1473
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:30,260
I was saying the commitments that we have under contract that we've been voting on,

1474
02:18:30,620 --> 02:18:32,760
including the 30 percent to visit Orlando.

1475
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:37,660
And then after that, if there is legislative change, which we're seeing,

1476
02:18:37,660 --> 02:18:42,640
happen more and more across the state. We've got the keys. We've got Miami. We've got all

1477
02:18:42,640 --> 02:18:46,180
of these counties going up and advocating because they don't have enough for their housing,

1478
02:18:46,760 --> 02:18:51,200
with their hospitality workers. But we're tying ourselves financially in contracts. We're

1479
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:56,640
committing to 30%. And then we're going to say anything in excess we may have available to help

1480
02:18:56,640 --> 02:19:03,380
housing if housing ever even becomes as an allowable use. So we're committing ourselves in the front

1481
02:19:03,380 --> 02:19:12,340
And then anything that comes in between, let's hope for a productive tourism season to be able to pay for it and to be able to offer something into the affordable housing trust.

1482
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:15,700
Commissioner, I just wanted to mention from a timing standpoint.

1483
02:19:16,060 --> 02:19:26,040
We were working, obviously, we can always see different angles and take different angles, but we were working based on what the board voted for us to do, which was the 30%.

1484
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:30,380
And at the same time, we started working on ARC funding.

1485
02:19:30,640 --> 02:19:32,120
We've already issued that window.

1486
02:19:32,580 --> 02:19:37,100
So we're getting that process done because to make those ARC funds available by the

1487
02:19:37,100 --> 02:19:39,240
new year, that process had to begin in February.

1488
02:19:39,720 --> 02:19:46,280
So if we delay this for any reason, then just that would affect the funding for ARC.

1489
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:51,740
Which the ARC is 34 million in the whole because they've got a 129 million productive project.

1490
02:19:51,880 --> 02:19:53,180
So we don't even have enough for them.

1491
02:19:53,180 --> 02:19:56,680
So we're talking that additional five million

1492
02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:58,540
is what you're saying that was committed to correct.

1493
02:19:59,060 --> 02:19:59,980
Okay, I appreciate you.

1494
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,980
I appreciate all the due diligence and Senate. I'm just bringing valid points that should be discussed here, that we are talking about, and with all honesty, I mean, clearly I didn't vote for the five million, but I think that if it would have been made clear, this is our offer. We're going to negotiate and might have taken a different tone of conversation, because I think when we voted on it, it was to assume that if we played it safe and played their roles of 30 percent, we were going to have that guaranteed 15 million votes.

1495
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,100
for sports in 5 million for ARC and let's just hope things are great because that's the only

1496
02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:39,360
we're getting it because they are making sure that that doesn't happen if they don't get

1497
02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:48,520
their 25 percent minimum. Because that's what the numbers are good or bad or low or high around

1498
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:52,480
25 percent. We're recognizing as the catastrophic there are vacations that we all experience in

1499
02:20:52,480 --> 02:20:57,880
everyone that was the thought process that we also put funding on pause when we had the very

1500
02:20:57,880 --> 02:21:01,160
on a traffic sphere, so that was all that was intended to recognize that.

1501
02:21:01,160 --> 02:21:03,280
Which we also have reserves for.

1502
02:21:05,500 --> 02:21:06,900
All right, Commissioner Bunnie.

1503
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:12,980
Yeah, just quickly I wanted to mention when I was talking about this strategic planning

1504
02:21:12,980 --> 02:21:17,900
and the branding, I wasn't meeting that we should control the branding at all.

1505
02:21:17,900 --> 02:21:21,700
I mean, the strategic plans at all of Visitor Linde was just talking about the branding.

1506
02:21:21,700 --> 02:21:29,420
So, we had, as a board, had voted to approve, you don't know the half of it, but when

1507
02:21:29,420 --> 02:21:33,740
unbelievably real came along, we had no say in that, it was done without us.

1508
02:21:33,980 --> 02:21:38,160
So that's what I'm saying with, you know, just a branding campaigns that we should have

1509
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:39,580
some say in it.

1510
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:44,800
So that's all of us saying wasn't saying to just make everything public, sunshine, whatever,

1511
02:21:44,980 --> 02:21:48,940
and all that other stuff that was discussed, that was nothing of what I was meaning.

1512
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:52,480
So what,

1513
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:59,780
so I want to go back to Commissioner Rivera, I agree with everything, you said.

1514
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:10,100
Just to let you know, I really do feel that this should come before the board, before it goes into the automatic renewal thing.

1515
02:22:11,140 --> 02:22:17,720
Where, and I don't know if this even has to be in the contract, but history shows future trends,

1516
02:22:19,580 --> 02:22:28,740
Staff won't let us know about it because they'll forget maybe they have turnover, commissioners turn over like people change and it'll be forgotten about.

1517
02:22:29,540 --> 02:22:35,660
And the contract will just automatically renew because no one remembered to check it or to see when that deadline was.

1518
02:22:36,320 --> 02:22:43,360
So that's where I feel that there should be something to contract saying that at this state it comes before the board.

1519
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:56,040
You know, so that the board can hear an update maybe from visit Orlando see how things are going and they have the opportunity to decide whether they're going to amend that contract again at that time, or going to automatic renewal and not change anything.

1520
02:22:56,740 --> 02:23:07,480
So that's, I think, a good compromise for us, you know, when it comes to that. Again, this is negotiations, you know, we made some demands, it went to them.

1521
02:23:07,480 --> 02:23:13,920
They made some demands and now are turned to discuss those additional demands and send it back again.

1522
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:23,100
The negotiation goes back and forth. This is not one time one way and then you have to decide, yes or no, or take what you get, right?

1523
02:23:25,460 --> 02:23:30,620
So the other thing is, I have some questions on the spreadsheet, and I'm confused.

1524
02:23:31,420 --> 02:23:37,800
There's the floor of $90,000, and from what I understood from the contract from the new

1525
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:42,900
negotiations, if they don't meet that 90, 90 million, I keep seeking seeing thousands.

1526
02:23:43,240 --> 02:23:49,320
If they don't meet that 90 million, then we don't get our full 5 million, 10 million, correct?

1527
02:23:49,800 --> 02:23:56,120
Depending on the flow of it, if at the beginning of the year, the way the contracts

1528
02:23:56,120 --> 02:24:04,460
if the TDTS 7.5 million, they will fund the one-month portion for each month that it hits that.

1529
02:24:05,520 --> 02:24:08,200
So that would happen and then say that like in March or something,

1530
02:24:08,480 --> 02:24:11,860
it just completely drops and drops below the 90 million by the end of the year.

1531
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:16,420
They're not going to claw back what they already put into the SEC pot, as I see pot.

1532
02:24:16,740 --> 02:24:19,260
But we don't get the full 5 and 10.

1533
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:23,640
Well, no, correct. You wouldn't get the full 5 and 10 in the scenario. It just presented.

1534
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:32,840
Okay, so I'm seeing an issue, but the numbers then in your spreadsheet, because I'm sorry, my spreadsheet is not a scenario based on

1535
02:24:32,840 --> 02:24:33,380
or adoption.

1536
02:24:33,660 --> 02:24:35,360
My scenario, I just did two projections.

1537
02:24:35,780 --> 02:24:38,220
One for two percent growth and one for eight percent growth.

1538
02:24:38,340 --> 02:24:45,820
Purely to demonstrate what those percent increases would look like if you applied the terms of this contract to this.

1539
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:51,880
I mean, I just kind of heard this concern for the first time last night and I came into the spreadsheet first thing this morning.

1540
02:24:51,880 --> 02:24:59,980
but I mean we could rerun what a reduction like I've heard it concerned for the first time last night about the 90 million about just about the fact

1541
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:09,600
The fact that there was a concern that as it grew, it wasn't there wasn't money that was going to be going to SIC and R. So I mentioned that in our meeting, in our briefing, though.

1542
02:25:09,960 --> 02:25:14,560
Well, I'm sorry, I missed that. I wasn't if I did. If you did, I missed that.

1543
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:23,200
But I think Commissioner's going to say, which is on that second column, you're seeing some numbers below 90 million or 20 million.

1544
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:25,320
Yeah, 20, 26, 27.

1545
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:30,000
But that's after the following at least.

1546
02:25:30,400 --> 02:25:32,040
That's after they've made their contribution.

1547
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:33,100
That's after they've made it.

1548
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:34,260
On the five and ten million?

1549
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:42,500
But yeah, I'm still confused because they're making it monthly, though.

1550
02:25:43,080 --> 02:25:49,340
And she said at the end, they're not meeting that 90 million, then we don't get that last payment.

1551
02:25:49,800 --> 02:25:53,940
So they, she just confirmed they don't, we don't get our 510 to full of it.

1552
02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:54,820
It's pro-rated.

1553
02:25:55,720 --> 02:25:55,880
Correct.

1554
02:25:56,020 --> 02:25:57,040
Because they get their money on it.

1555
02:25:57,760 --> 02:25:58,280
So 26.

1556
02:26:02,500 --> 02:26:03,160
90 million.

1557
02:26:03,420 --> 02:26:06,500
But over at the Ark and Sick columns, it still shows.

1558
02:26:06,740 --> 02:26:07,260
Oh, I've been confused.

1559
02:26:07,360 --> 02:26:08,620
They've got confusion there.

1560
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,300
This is after they've given us.

1561
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:22,380
and vice-bases where you see in 2026-87.4, add the 15 million to that. So that's what they get

1562
02:26:22,380 --> 02:26:29,460
after they've made the $15 million payment. So this 87 million is taking out the $15 million.

1563
02:26:30,700 --> 02:26:35,760
Yes. And all they have left over. Right. All of those numbers subtract out the numbers to the right.

1564
02:26:36,500 --> 02:26:45,000
So it's the TTT, you know, the total TTT minus the 5 million and then minus whatever the number

1565
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:46,420
is that goes to sports incentive.

1566
02:26:47,140 --> 02:26:53,420
Okay, so then my other question is, why are we waiting to 28 to get more money?

1567
02:26:55,820 --> 02:27:01,220
Why don't if things are better or whatever, why don't we just start getting more in 2026?

1568
02:27:01,820 --> 02:27:05,300
Well, that wasn't even discussed in what was voted on by the board.

1569
02:27:05,300 --> 02:27:13,540
We actually negotiated that in as the second term of the agreement, so we added something and we added it starting in the second term

1570
02:27:13,540 --> 02:27:16,400
But it wasn't something the board ever asked us to do

1571
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:21,720
In terms of negotiation of accounts and exchange of

1572
02:27:21,720 --> 02:27:35,280
Of the renewal and I will just have one item matching up the VL coming VL now

1573
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:39,760
on their performance. And you all have seen them come each year. That is one of the

1574
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:42,960
annual activities that occurred.

1575
02:27:46,280 --> 02:27:52,300
Okay, so, but we don't have any say in any of that. Those just don't tell us what they're doing.

1576
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:57,360
We have, we have for a representative that serve on the view board and our voting numbers.

1577
02:27:57,720 --> 02:27:58,600
One or two?

1578
02:27:59,160 --> 02:28:05,860
Well, if in the current scenario, a lot of there are 20 in the current scenario that exists.

1579
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:10,040
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, we have four.

1580
02:28:10,100 --> 02:28:13,740
Mr. and we have four, you elect to non-elected representatives

1581
02:28:14,350 --> 02:28:15,940
the head of the Convention Center is there

1582
02:28:15,940 --> 02:28:17,760
and then the mayor is representative of the mayor conserv.

1583
02:28:19,220 --> 02:28:22,300
But I have like 30 plus people.

1584
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:25,600
30 plus, 33, to be exact, OK.

1585
02:28:28,300 --> 02:28:32,700
All right, so I really do agree that we should have a ceiling

1586
02:28:33,260 --> 02:28:37,360
and that it's because you did put in that,

1587
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:43,680
If they have extra funds, then they can give us those extra funds, but there's nothing to guarantee

1588
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:49,480
that they won't already spend those extra funds, because they set their budget, we don't.

1589
02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:54,160
They could amend their budget, because we have no say in whether they amend their budget or not.

1590
02:28:54,900 --> 02:28:59,040
So there's no guarantee that if they see that they have extra money, that they're not going

1591
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:03,200
to spend it and just be like, hey, let's just put this aside and give it back to the county.

1592
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:08,080
Come on in their defense. I will say when they had extra funds this year, they did come to our

1593
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:15,680
Controllers office to ask how they should invest those funds. They didn't just they didn't just spend them, but I

1594
02:29:17,860 --> 02:29:20,660
Okay, let's let's try to move along

1595
02:29:21,500 --> 02:29:22,540
Well, let's

1596
02:29:22,540 --> 02:29:28,720
But some of the things like that we would love to see go back is that ceiling and also something that

1597
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:37,600
You know, it comes back to the board before the deadline for the renewals that the board is reminded at that time that they have that option.

1598
02:29:38,580 --> 02:29:41,880
Okay, see where that goes. Commission Gomez Cadero.

1599
02:29:43,080 --> 02:29:43,720
Thank you.

1600
02:29:44,580 --> 02:29:48,180
I wanted to ask something based on what you were saying.

1601
02:29:48,740 --> 02:29:49,100
Lisa.

1602
02:29:49,980 --> 02:29:51,260
Oh, bye, I don't know, whoever.

1603
02:29:52,280 --> 02:29:54,760
If they visit Orlando, right?

1604
02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:59,980
So can we say that the sealant that they have right now is 30%.

1605
02:30:01,240 --> 02:30:04,800
That is the portion of the funds that they receive.

1606
02:30:05,400 --> 02:30:15,460
Okay, so let's see that if they make 90 million, they still give the 15 million. It will be 75 million.

1607
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:23,100
They will stay, give it, is that correct? Yes. So they will get 75 million instead of 90.

1608
02:30:23,740 --> 02:30:27,840
But if they don't stop giving to the art and sports.

1609
02:30:29,180 --> 02:30:38,800
If they get 90 million, if 30% equals 90 million, our gets 5 million and sports incentive gets 10 million.

1610
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:44,140
So then they will take or get or have 75 million.

1611
02:30:47,180 --> 02:30:55,540
But still it going to be in an annual basis that they're going to check to see where they paid.

1612
02:30:55,540 --> 02:31:03,080
Okay, okay. So that's what I wanted to know. They're not going to stop a monthly payment until the annual report was of something

1613
02:31:03,080 --> 02:31:10,620
Well, yes, the formula is to put the funds on a monthly basis and into the fourths incentive fund

1614
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:17,920
Okay, based on heading hitting a 7.5 million per month. Okay, and then there's a true up at the end of the year

1615
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:24,780
But the true up works in the favor of the county and that as I mentioned earlier if if at the beginning of the year

1616
02:31:24,780 --> 02:31:28,800
whether it's hitting the mark in the end of the year or something goes wrong, they're not

1617
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:35,540
going to claw back those funds. However, if they hit the mark and then it dips, but it

1618
02:31:35,540 --> 02:31:42,320
evens out to 90 million, then they would anything that they hadn't committed to sports incentive

1619
02:31:42,320 --> 02:31:46,180
would then be screwed up and put into the sports incentive fund to bring it to the 10 million

1620
02:31:46,180 --> 02:31:50,520
if they have the 90 million on an annual basis.

1621
02:31:51,540 --> 02:31:53,160
Okay, got it. Thank you.

1622
02:31:53,400 --> 02:31:53,900
Thank you.

1623
02:31:56,340 --> 02:32:00,380
Okay, I'm going to give Ms. Mate.

1624
02:32:01,460 --> 02:32:09,480
If you would like to come to the mic to address anything that you've heard at this point, you certainly can.

1625
02:32:11,470 --> 02:32:15,470
Thank you, Mayor and commissioners and comptroller. Thank you so much for this time.

1626
02:32:15,470 --> 02:32:40,370
I just wanted to say it has been a multi-month process and in good faith, this Orlando, we went into discussions and really our approach was reviewing the January 23 meeting and looking at all the items that you approved and we feel confident that we've been able to do so and I just want to say thank you all and to the staff that we're in the meetings.

1627
02:32:40,370 --> 02:32:47,090
And as Whitney mentioned, there were some times that we didn't always agree, so we're glad

1628
02:32:47,090 --> 02:32:52,370
to be here so we can get moving forward to what our mission is and bring visitors to our

1629
02:32:52,370 --> 02:32:52,810
community.

1630
02:32:53,510 --> 02:32:54,210
Thank you.

1631
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:56,430
All right.

1632
02:32:57,510 --> 02:32:58,010
I'm sorry.

1633
02:32:58,150 --> 02:32:58,490
I'm not saying.

1634
02:32:59,010 --> 02:33:01,510
I see no other question about remember the board.

1635
02:33:01,650 --> 02:33:07,010
There's a motion on the floor in a second, I'm going to call the question at this time.

1636
02:33:07,090 --> 02:33:07,610
Mayors?

1637
02:33:07,610 --> 02:33:07,870
Mayors?

1638
02:33:07,890 --> 02:33:08,070
Mayors?

1639
02:33:10,410 --> 02:33:10,930
Mayors?

1640
02:33:10,930 --> 02:33:17,070
I want to clarify one point, your request of action is as amended, at least I had mentioned earlier there's a change that needs to be made.

1641
02:33:17,770 --> 02:33:27,410
We are referencing exhibit B in section 2.10.9 of the agreement that needs to change to exhibit C and then the exhibit B that is attached needs to be exhibit C.

1642
02:33:27,490 --> 02:33:29,290
I just want to get that in the record for the clerk's office.

1643
02:33:29,530 --> 02:33:30,610
That's simply the investment.

1644
02:33:31,410 --> 02:33:32,110
The list of investments.

1645
02:33:33,050 --> 02:33:38,710
Is that simply the list of instruments that could be invested in?

1646
02:33:38,830 --> 02:33:38,930
That's all.

1647
02:33:40,130 --> 02:33:43,870
I'm just changing the label on the exhibit because we already have an exhibit these days.

1648
02:33:44,090 --> 02:33:48,990
Okay, and I know that that occurred as a result of some input by the controller.

1649
02:33:49,910 --> 02:33:50,150
All right.

1650
02:33:50,290 --> 02:33:53,150
All the people that have been known were saying aye.

1651
02:33:53,150 --> 02:33:53,450
Aye.

1652
02:33:54,270 --> 02:33:54,550
Aye.

1653
02:33:54,650 --> 02:33:56,270
I suppose no.

1654
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:57,230
No.

1655
02:33:57,730 --> 02:33:57,870
No.

1656
02:33:57,870 --> 02:34:01,050
Okay, the motion passes and it's the three to two.

1657
02:34:03,070 --> 02:34:08,110
With that, we will move forward with our dinner this time.

1658
02:34:08,110 --> 02:34:11,030
Thank you all for your presence.

1659
02:34:12,970 --> 02:34:26,280
I'm going to call on actually the next item A1 is going to be postponed to July 30, 2024,

1660
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:28,980
at the request of Commissioner Wilson.

1661
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:32,000
So we'll have that work session.

1662
02:34:32,460 --> 02:34:37,780
That time hopefully that would give her the opportunity to be present and participate in that conversation.

1663
02:34:37,780 --> 02:34:43,600
And the next item, then, that we move forward with at this time, we're going to ask

1664
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:48,600
President Lyndy Wolfe, a manager from our utilities engineering division to come forward

1665
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:52,300
to make a presentation regarding the septic tank work group.

1666
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:59,980
This particular item is not something that will require action to do.

1667
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:06,180
Today it's an information that I and I'm primarily and to get some feedback from the Board of

1668
02:35:06,180 --> 02:35:10,460
County Commission and with that Ms. Wolf, you have recognized at this time.

1669
02:35:11,540 --> 02:35:20,020
Great, thank you for morning Mayor's missioners. I'm here to come back with our final

1670
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:25,720
specific tank policy recommendations. We also have many of our team members here from our

1671
02:35:25,720 --> 02:35:33,060
group in the audience here. These are the same recommendations we brought back in 2022.

1672
02:35:34,340 --> 02:35:41,100
Just now we know the limits of the vulnerable areas. And so those are where our recommendations

1673
02:35:41,100 --> 02:35:49,640
apply in the county PDAs and the WCAFAA. So I'm going to go over to quick background policy

1674
02:35:49,640 --> 02:35:53,460
considerations, recommendations, stakeholder engagement,

1675
02:35:53,940 --> 02:35:58,500
next steps in schedule, summary, and policy direction

1676
02:35:58,500 --> 02:36:00,940
for concurrence of our staff recommendations.

1677
02:36:06,740 --> 02:36:10,440
So Orange County has a variety of water resources, including

1678
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:16,680
major lakes, outstanding florist springs, wild and scenic river,

1679
02:36:18,220 --> 02:36:21,300
outstanding florida waters, and head of the Everglades.

1680
02:36:23,840 --> 02:36:32,340
As you know, natural water quality of a resources can be impaired by nutrients, excessive nutrients, phosphorus and nitrogen.

1681
02:36:33,140 --> 02:36:38,460
Because over a bunch of algae, it can reduce diversity of plants and animals and can cause fish kills.

1682
02:36:40,940 --> 02:36:47,460
Conventional septic systems, they can provide effective wastewater treatment when used in the right locations and right densities.

1683
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:52,920
Typically septic systems are used in rural areas, or we're central sewers not available.

1684
02:36:53,640 --> 02:36:56,780
And they should be located as safe distance from water bodies

1685
02:36:59,210 --> 02:37:01,610
and hands or advanced

1686
02:37:01,610 --> 02:37:02,450
septic systems.

1687
02:37:02,770 --> 02:37:07,970
They provide higher nutrient removals than the conventional systems, meeting 65% or more

1688
02:37:07,970 --> 02:37:09,030
nitrogen reduction.

1689
02:37:10,990 --> 02:37:17,090
These systems use aeration, recirculation, or other methods to filter the effluent, and this

1690
02:37:17,090 --> 02:37:25,210
is showing an ATU and aerobic treatment unit, but there are other types of systems that can

1691
02:37:25,210 --> 02:37:28,670
that is a bio-filter in the septic system drain field.

1692
02:37:32,790 --> 02:37:34,770
So the septic tank work group was

1693
02:37:36,980 --> 02:37:38,980
comprised of staff and multiple

1694
02:37:38,980 --> 02:37:41,020
kind of departments and FDOH.

1695
02:37:42,660 --> 02:37:46,440
We have the goal of protecting the most vulnerable areas from excessive

1696
02:37:46,440 --> 02:37:49,180
nitrogen associated with conventional septic systems.

1697
02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:53,440
As you know, we had previous BCC work sessions.

1698
02:37:54,020 --> 02:37:58,060
The first work shop in 2022 introduced the work group to the board

1699
02:37:58,060 --> 02:38:04,540
Then we had four subgroups following that, that had our all of our preliminary recommendations.

1700
02:38:05,660 --> 02:38:14,360
Then last year we brought the GVA, which identified the PVA's, the areas that are most vulnerable,

1701
02:38:15,080 --> 02:38:18,540
the groundwater and surface water, most vulnerable, to conventional septic.

1702
02:38:22,520 --> 02:38:28,400
And we applied, like I said, the same 22 recommendations.

1703
02:38:28,400 --> 02:38:36,560
Recommendations to those vulnerable areas, we had individual briefings with you all last year before going to this stakeholders with these same recommendations.

1704
02:38:41,000 --> 02:38:59,920
So before the work group was formed, the Wakayla and Rob Springs Basin Management Action Plan already had identified the spring, the PFA as the vulnerable area and had already required enhanced systems for new development, less than one acre in that purple area.

1705
02:38:59,940 --> 02:39:10,340
on the map. They also have a requirement for no repairs to conventional systems. That has not yet been enforced by the state.

1706
02:39:13,360 --> 02:39:19,860
And then after, you know, about midway through after our recommendations, we had last year the House Bill 1379,

1707
02:39:19,860 --> 02:39:29,280
came in with B maps and PRPs and this is requiring lots one acre less for new development

1708
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:35,660
to also have the 65% nitrogen removing systems. So all of the colored areas you see on

1709
02:39:35,660 --> 02:39:42,720
the map, those are all of the B map and PRP areas where this would apply. It covers more than

1710
02:39:42,720 --> 02:39:49,600
percent of the county and with it's similar to the PFA requirement

1711
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:54,780
except there's no upgrade requirements for this for these areas currently.

1712
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:09,600
With our GVA, we had identified the areas that were outside of the PFA that were most formable, and we are now

1713
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:15,720
including the PFA and the PVA as the vulnerable areas that are recommendations applied to.

1714
02:40:18,100 --> 02:40:21,460
So the GVA, if

1715
02:40:21,460 --> 02:40:26,340
followed the same data-driven methodology that the state used to identify that will

1716
02:40:26,340 --> 02:40:35,580
kywa PFA. And it has groundwater models to determine the zone of influence for the water

1717
02:40:35,580 --> 02:40:38,680
bodies to identify those PVA's.

1718
02:40:40,980 --> 02:40:45,680
So moving on to, well, this is the map showing all the PVA's

1719
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:50,320
from the GVA. You see in blue, those of the PVA's look like, like, rivers.

1720
02:40:56,700 --> 02:40:57,540
Moving on to policy

1721
02:40:57,540 --> 02:40:58,580
considerations,

1722
02:41:00,660 --> 02:41:02,700
fear and green dots, you can see the existing

1723
02:41:02,700 --> 02:41:07,680
septic systems that are in the locality of A, and in red, you can see

1724
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:11,320
the existing that are within the county PVA's.

1725
02:41:14,990 --> 02:41:18,690
So we are not recommending any policy changes for existing systems.

1726
02:41:19,550 --> 02:41:24,510
We know the state is leading this issue in the PFA, and we recommend following their

1727
02:41:24,510 --> 02:41:25,030
direction.

1728
02:41:29,210 --> 02:41:32,490
In the locality of A, the state is providing grants,

1729
02:41:32,490 --> 02:41:36,470
to partially offset costs for septic to sewer and septic upgrades.

1730
02:41:37,630 --> 02:41:44,570
Those projects are $75,000 per lot for septic to sewer and $25,000 for upgrades.

1731
02:41:45,550 --> 02:41:48,350
So the county TVAs may also be eligible for state funding.

1732
02:41:48,850 --> 02:41:53,910
We know there's water quality improvement grants that we could be eligible for.

1733
02:41:54,150 --> 02:42:02,450
So subject to funding, we would consider expanding those initiatives to the TVAs for the existing systems.

1734
02:42:04,300 --> 02:42:20,840
And this shows, and now as this we did with vacant parcels in the vulnerable areas, when we looked at distance to our existing infrastructure to determine, you know, our current requirements, are the acceptable to we change them.

1735
02:42:21,480 --> 02:42:29,020
So what we looked at for new development, we looked at flows that are less than two years, less than an equal to two years.

1736
02:42:29,020 --> 02:42:34,220
single family home, the duplex or low flow commercial. The current requirement is

1737
02:42:34,220 --> 02:42:39,120
connecting to sewer if there's a fronting gravity main. The new recommendation

1738
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:45,020
is to also require connection if there's a force main. So this additional cost

1739
02:42:45,020 --> 02:42:52,460
would be about 5,000 to 15,000 to go from the septic to a grinder pump station.

1740
02:42:55,090 --> 02:43:03,070
This table shows some comparisons of utility providers in the area related to the distance

1741
02:43:03,070 --> 02:43:10,590
to sewer, and here you can see we're in the middle there, we're mostly more stringent

1742
02:43:10,590 --> 02:43:16,910
than the state requirements, except for industrial we do follow state statutes. For subdivisions

1743
02:43:16,910 --> 02:43:23,470
we are four times the distance for the state, and for commercial we are currently double the

1744
02:43:23,470 --> 02:43:30,850
for the state. Now, we are only looking at increasing the commercial distance from 100 to

1745
02:43:30,850 --> 02:43:38,970
600 and that would put us only, you know, less than than one other provider of shown here.

1746
02:43:41,490 --> 02:43:48,210
So those flows that we're looking at are the higher flows that would be required to extend

1747
02:43:48,210 --> 02:43:55,070
up to 600 feet rather than the current 100 feet. And those are in this only in the vulnerable areas

1748
02:43:55,070 --> 02:44:03,970
again, this additional cost to go from the septic to the grinder pump is about 6,000 and

1749
02:44:03,970 --> 02:44:11,910
that 500 feet of additional pipe is about 54,000 dollars. So up to that amount, if they

1750
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:17,010
have to extend the full additional 500 feet, or it would be less if the pipeline is closer.

1751
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:23,250
And we estimated this is based on a 4-inch force main, which is about a hundred-naked

1752
02:44:23,250 --> 02:44:24,270
dollars per foot.

1753
02:44:28,730 --> 02:44:31,890
So we're sure it's not available for new development.

1754
02:44:32,810 --> 02:44:38,250
We also recognize that we need to protect the KVAs.

1755
02:44:38,890 --> 02:44:45,570
So we want to follow the states requirement that they have in the B-maps to require enhanced

1756
02:44:45,570 --> 02:44:49,010
accepting systems, meeting the 65% reduction.

1757
02:44:50,330 --> 02:44:57,450
This is already a state requirement in all of the purple shading on the map, so that's

1758
02:44:57,450 --> 02:44:58,810
about 60% of the county.

1759
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,520
And then the majority of our PVA is actually 70% of them are within those B maps, so they are already covered by the state requirement.

1760
02:45:07,220 --> 02:45:14,720
We would be just looking at basically the 30% kind of central and east, those of the PVA that this would apply to.

1761
02:45:16,690 --> 02:45:26,030
So we're also considering we do get very inch requests for septic systems to be less than our setback requirement to a water body.

1762
02:45:26,030 --> 02:45:29,790
And that may happen when the developer has a site constraint.

1763
02:45:30,750 --> 02:45:33,890
They want to go down to the state's minimum 75 feet.

1764
02:45:34,650 --> 02:45:39,650
This code requirement would allow us to require enhanced septic systems

1765
02:45:39,650 --> 02:45:45,270
with an 80% nitrogen reduction for any approvals of those variants in quest.

1766
02:45:46,490 --> 02:45:53,010
This additional cost is about 10 to 15 to go from a conventional to enhanced septic.

1767
02:45:55,410 --> 02:46:02,410
So, summarizing those recommendations, we have new development and vulnerable areas are the two

1768
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:08,790
co-changes that we're proposing grouped into sewer connection requirements and enhanced

1769
02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:12,750
septic requirements in the PFA and PDAs.

1770
02:46:13,870 --> 02:46:19,450
Here's broken out by flows for sewer, the lower flows would be connecting to additionally

1771
02:46:19,450 --> 02:46:27,190
the force main, the higher flows would be more increased by 500 feet extension, and then the

1772
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:32,450
hands we have the 65% in the 80% for the setback variance.

1773
02:46:33,210 --> 02:46:36,250
For existing septic, this would not require any co-changes.

1774
02:46:36,890 --> 02:46:41,690
We would continue what we're doing with the septic disobey or septic upgrade incentives

1775
02:46:41,690 --> 02:46:45,870
or initiatives in the vulnerable areas when funding is available.

1776
02:46:46,890 --> 02:46:52,930
And we identified we would need, we're working on this agreement with the EEP for enforcement

1777
02:46:52,930 --> 02:46:57,270
of the counties, requirements that are more stringent than DEPs.

1778
02:46:57,590 --> 02:47:03,910
And this would help to eliminate staff efficiencies so that we're not duplicating efforts

1779
02:47:03,910 --> 02:47:09,570
and resources for a review of permits, and as FDEP is the permitting authority.

1780
02:47:11,610 --> 02:47:18,710
We also identified a need for county ordinance for the proposed code changes for new development.

1781
02:47:22,780 --> 02:47:28,120
So this is the list of key stakeholders we identified and we've reached out to all of these groups.

1782
02:47:28,380 --> 02:47:31,520
I'll see make your state-in-cheese agencies, municipalities,

1783
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:36,600
have to take industry, development community, environmental groups, or which county residents.

1784
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,580
And this is the outreach that we've completed.

1785
02:47:41,620 --> 02:47:49,820
So, last year we had the GVA website went live in June, then the end of the year we had the

1786
02:47:49,820 --> 02:47:52,300
ATC meeting earlier this year.

1787
02:47:52,700 --> 02:48:00,580
We presented it to the DAV, the SAP Gova, and then February, the MCBC, the PCC,

1788
02:48:01,600 --> 02:48:07,360
Sceptic Tank Work Group, and Upgrading Center's website went live as well in February.

1789
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:17,740
that was live before our webinar we had and at that webinar we had 150 attendees from members

1790
02:48:17,740 --> 02:48:22,660
from all of the different stakeholder groups were in attendance.

1791
02:48:23,300 --> 02:48:29,140
We had more than 30 pre submitted questions that we answered live at the webinar and we

1792
02:48:29,140 --> 02:48:32,640
also took questions live through the chat.

1793
02:48:32,640 --> 02:48:37,480
We presented the resources there and we've been

1794
02:48:37,480 --> 02:48:42,160
fielding questions through our emails since that

1795
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:42,740
webinar.

1796
02:48:45,640 --> 02:48:48,400
Majority of stakeholders supported our recommendations.

1797
02:48:50,260 --> 02:48:54,320
And I did want to point out a couple of things that we

1798
02:48:55,880 --> 02:48:59,200
did receive, you know, other feedback we did receive.

1799
02:49:00,020 --> 02:49:03,800
I wanted to note, at the PZC, we were asked why not require

1800
02:49:03,800 --> 02:49:06,160
enhanced septic systems for the entire county.

1801
02:49:07,320 --> 02:49:09,940
Our response was, and is that we fell

1802
02:49:09,940 --> 02:49:12,020
at a science-based approach to identify

1803
02:49:12,020 --> 02:49:14,660
the most vulnerable areas of the county,

1804
02:49:15,660 --> 02:49:18,240
outside of the PFA, which are the TBAs.

1805
02:49:19,100 --> 02:49:20,840
The stage is requiring enhanced systems

1806
02:49:20,840 --> 02:49:24,840
and 60% of the county, B maps and PRPs.

1807
02:49:25,240 --> 02:49:30,960
Outside of those B maps, the GVA identified PBAs

1808
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:32,180
as the most vulnerable areas.

1809
02:49:32,180 --> 02:49:38,120
In other areas of the county, conventional septic systems can provide cost-effective wastewater treatment.

1810
02:49:39,900 --> 02:49:44,780
We also had some concerns from a master septic tank installer after the webinar.

1811
02:49:45,260 --> 02:49:50,340
However, when I clarified that our requirements for enhanced septic, we'll follow the same standards

1812
02:49:50,340 --> 02:49:54,220
as DEP, FDA requirements for the BMAP.

1813
02:49:54,300 --> 02:49:57,900
The installer was no longer concerned and did support our recommendations.

1814
02:50:00,140 --> 02:50:08,680
So, these are the resources that I had mentioned, our websites and email addresses. We use using with our stakeholder engagement.

1815
02:50:12,500 --> 02:50:16,580
And so, our next steps in schedule include drafting and ordinance.

1816
02:50:16,820 --> 02:50:18,980
All right. I hate to jump in.

1817
02:50:18,980 --> 02:50:19,280
Yes.

1818
02:50:19,280 --> 02:50:33,840
But Mother Nature calls also, let's pause for a restroom break for 10 minutes and then we'll come back and have you, I can't do your wrap up.

1819
02:50:34,480 --> 02:50:35,280
I'm sorry.

1820
02:50:36,320 --> 02:50:48,780
Because of our reduced board presence today, we have to, you know,

1821
02:50:48,780 --> 02:50:55,920
So we've kind of been going at it for the last three hours or so. So what what that we're going to take a brief

1822
02:50:55,920 --> 02:51:00,420
Resural break and we'll return in 10 minutes. Yep, I'm trying to get it quickly, but okay

1823
02:58:21,010 --> 02:58:31,050
To read join in us now on May the 21st, 2024, after brief recess, we are now re-engaged with the Orange County Board of

1824
02:58:31,050 --> 02:58:40,750
County Commission meeting. We're still in the morning portion of the meeting. We are going to have the summary and wrap up by

1825
02:58:40,750 --> 02:58:54,370
And then the Wolf from our utilities division regarding a presentation for the septic tank work group policy recommendations and with that this Wolf you are recognized.

1826
02:58:54,690 --> 02:58:56,590
Great. Thank you.

1827
02:58:57,530 --> 02:59:00,210
So moving to our next steps in schedule.

1828
02:59:00,210 --> 02:59:19,110
We have, we're looking to draft the ordinance for chapter 37 for new development changes bring that back the summer for discussion and then public hearings this fall at the relevant boards coming back here for the final public hearing.

1829
02:59:20,490 --> 02:59:24,510
And just to summarize what we've already gone through here today,

1830
02:59:24,730 --> 02:59:29,570
conventional septic systems came provide safe effective ways for treatment and non vulnerable areas.

1831
02:59:30,210 --> 02:59:37,090
We recommend more standard requirements to connect a sewer or upgrade to enhance septic systems for new development and vulnerable areas.

1832
02:59:37,710 --> 02:59:43,250
We do need code changes for those proposed new development recommendations.

1833
02:59:43,250 --> 02:59:52,410
We did meet with stakeholders to discuss the recommendations and the ordinance would be needed to implement these recommendations.

1834
02:59:54,250 --> 02:59:59,070
And so we are looking, staff is looking to prepare an ordinance to implement those changes.

1835
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:12,760
We are requesting your concurrence of the following recommendations. The first two, this is what you have already seen previously in the recommendations slide. The first two are for new development. These would be the only code changes.

1836
03:00:13,400 --> 03:00:20,440
The increasing sewer connection requirements for the different flow amounts, requiring handsept assistance for the two different scenarios.

1837
03:00:20,440 --> 03:00:27,540
and then existing septic systems we would continue what we're doing in the PFA and expand

1838
03:00:27,540 --> 03:00:33,640
the PVA's when funding is available. We recommend leaving the existing systems alone

1839
03:00:33,640 --> 03:00:40,760
and following the direction of the state. And so with that thank you and I'm available and

1840
03:00:40,760 --> 03:00:46,000
other members of our work group are here for any questions. Okay there may be some we do have a

1841
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:52,200
of commissioners who have pressed their button indicating a desire to speak, we're going to

1842
03:00:52,200 --> 03:00:54,000
start with Commissioner Emily Bonilla.

1843
03:00:55,820 --> 03:00:56,260
Thank you.

1844
03:00:56,480 --> 03:01:01,100
Definitely a lot of work has been done on this and love data gathered to thank you for all

1845
03:01:01,100 --> 03:01:02,060
the hard work.

1846
03:01:02,560 --> 03:01:07,580
I do have a question for the properties that are in the urban service area that are on

1847
03:01:07,580 --> 03:01:12,240
sector tanks now and it's there in a more dense area and they want to

1848
03:01:13,240 --> 03:01:19,840
change to sewage. How do we go about that? Are there any plans for that?

1849
03:01:21,140 --> 03:01:25,400
So, if there's an existing development on septic in the service area, then we'll

1850
03:01:25,400 --> 03:01:29,380
for instance, yeah, my district, I have a lot of areas that are in the urban

1851
03:01:29,380 --> 03:01:34,640
service area and it's an urban dense area, but like the entire street is still

1852
03:01:34,640 --> 03:01:40,220
on septic tanks and you know, the residents, some of them by how to

1853
03:01:40,220 --> 03:01:45,060
don't realize it and they don't know how to manage it. But how do they get on to

1854
03:01:45,720 --> 03:01:50,000
sewage? Okay, so you're speaking of a subdivision, residential neighborhood. These are

1855
03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:54,840
older neighborhoods that aren't really in HOA's or some subdivisions, but it is a

1856
03:01:54,840 --> 03:02:03,420
residential. Yeah, so that would fall, you know, if they're in a PVA, they could be

1857
03:02:03,420 --> 03:02:09,960
eligible for funding for septic to sewer and basically we have a retrofit policy

1858
03:02:09,960 --> 03:02:34,540
where there can be an MSBU for the residents to vote but basically if we get funding the county can contribute if there's other funding available but it would have to be, you know, a case by case look at the area is it in the PVA, is it in a B map?

1859
03:02:35,720 --> 03:02:41,380
And also there's many neighborhoods that same way that you're talking about.

1860
03:02:42,480 --> 03:02:45,080
For the PFA we've done a feasibility study already.

1861
03:02:46,340 --> 03:02:49,420
So we have sort of priorities, you know,

1862
03:02:49,440 --> 03:02:53,680
we're starting at closest to the springs for retrofits and, you know,

1863
03:02:53,740 --> 03:02:56,660
going away from that, but starting closest.

1864
03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:03,360
So the PVA's, we have, we know where the existing conventional systems are

1865
03:03:03,360 --> 03:03:07,300
in those locations, but we don't have a feasibility study yet to really prioritize

1866
03:03:08,520 --> 03:03:13,320
what areas and if funding is available, that it would all depend on funding availability.

1867
03:03:14,760 --> 03:03:19,800
Okay, so if there's a new development, because what I'm also having issues with is let's say in

1868
03:03:19,800 --> 03:03:30,440
that neighborhood, one of the homes they sell it in the developer comes in, they want to now put a

1869
03:03:31,260 --> 03:03:37,740
because they're stating that the pipes are too far away, but yet this is an urban service area.

1870
03:03:38,320 --> 03:03:41,580
Well, yeah, we do have the connection requirements.

1871
03:03:43,020 --> 03:03:47,960
For a single family home, the current code is they just have to have a gravity main

1872
03:03:47,960 --> 03:03:51,440
fronting them. They do not have to extend anything offsite.

1873
03:03:52,480 --> 03:03:57,440
What we're recommending is if there's a force main there, they can also connect with the pump station.

1874
03:03:57,440 --> 03:04:06,560
So, they can always extend further, but our requirement, but we don't require them to.

1875
03:04:06,840 --> 03:04:09,100
We don't require them to, though.

1876
03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:17,080
If the pipe is fronting and they have a new development, we would require connection.

1877
03:04:17,080 --> 03:04:19,740
And if sewer is available,

1878
03:04:22,760 --> 03:04:27,080
they likely could not get a septicine permit for a new system.

1879
03:04:27,940 --> 03:04:38,400
But existing, there's no requirements to upgrade to connect the sewer or enhance outside

1880
03:04:38,400 --> 03:04:42,960
of the PFA right now, and that's still not in force yet, I think.

1881
03:04:42,960 --> 03:04:49,920
Okay, so I guess my question is, are we looking to have future more conversations on,

1882
03:04:51,380 --> 03:04:56,910
you know, getting the services to all of the urban service air at some point for sewage?

1883
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:03,420
I think this is more of a question for the mayor and the county administrator.

1884
03:05:06,260 --> 03:05:29,900
Well, I'm going to ask utilities to come for it. This is a difficult question and some regards, because it is costly. We do not have the funding to deliver all of the connections that will be needed to transition all of the areas that need to transition.

1885
03:05:29,900 --> 03:05:36,860
from septic to sewer one, it is a cost prohibitive to do it for the entire county.

1886
03:05:37,700 --> 03:05:42,220
So what staff is saying is that we have to prioritize that.

1887
03:05:42,480 --> 03:05:45,520
And yes, there are some available dollars from the state.

1888
03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:52,020
And we're able to get any federal dollars to couple those dollars

1889
03:05:52,020 --> 03:06:02,580
with our county plan, budget plan to gradually get our entire county transition, but we're

1890
03:06:02,580 --> 03:06:07,520
talking, I don't know, decades probably, for that to happen.

1891
03:06:08,380 --> 03:06:14,460
And so we don't want to create the undubered, no individuals who have lived in the homes

1892
03:06:14,460 --> 03:06:18,780
for an extended period of time, who have functional septic tanks.

1893
03:06:20,360 --> 03:06:27,040
But conversely, we are committed throughout sustainability playing a long term to transition

1894
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:28,300
in the entire county.

1895
03:06:29,540 --> 03:06:35,360
So with that, we'll see if utilities has anything else to add to it.

1896
03:06:35,620 --> 03:06:39,080
So Commissioner Mayard, I think you hit it right on the head.

1897
03:06:40,280 --> 03:06:44,660
It would cause billions of dollars to retrofit all of our septic tanks in Orange County.

1898
03:06:44,660 --> 03:06:48,060
And what we have done in the Wakava Springs area,

1899
03:06:49,040 --> 03:06:52,760
because it is the most vulnerable areas to septic tanks.

1900
03:06:52,840 --> 03:06:58,060
That's where the state started with the Wakawa PFA.

1901
03:06:58,880 --> 03:07:06,160
And in that area, the state has issued a lot of funding.

1902
03:07:06,680 --> 03:07:11,260
Throughout the state, the agencies have done in areas where the springs are vulnerable,

1903
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:14,340
provided for grants to do those retrofits.

1904
03:07:14,660 --> 03:07:18,340
But even in these areas, we are only able to

1905
03:07:18,340 --> 03:07:20,020
the county code.

1906
03:07:20,140 --> 03:07:23,760
We're only financing 25% of the cost of those retrofits

1907
03:07:23,760 --> 03:07:24,680
are very expensive.

1908
03:07:25,640 --> 03:07:28,520
And the state is financing like 65% of them.

1909
03:07:28,580 --> 03:07:32,680
And even at that point, we're still getting the MSB

1910
03:07:32,680 --> 03:07:35,640
use where the residents actually vote to pay.

1911
03:07:35,660 --> 03:07:37,980
And they were between 10% and 15% of the cost.

1912
03:07:39,340 --> 03:07:40,860
And so, and even at that rate,

1913
03:07:40,860 --> 03:07:57,040
We are doing $150 million worth of projects and is a little over 2,000 septic tanks and we have, you know, more than 50,000 septic tanks in Orange County and this is taking us, you know, almost a decade to do these 2,000 septic tanks.

1914
03:07:57,560 --> 03:08:06,000
So even with the entire funding from the state, which is, you know, 65% of it, we're going at that pace.

1915
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:10,820
So just like the mayor said, friends are feeding the entire county, all the septic tanks,

1916
03:08:12,620 --> 03:08:19,320
especially since the science is not there yet, where the aquifers are being affected.

1917
03:08:19,520 --> 03:08:30,260
I mean, the reason we're doing it in the Wacauva Spring series, because the state has looked at the nutrients impacting the aquifers.

1918
03:08:30,260 --> 03:08:37,840
But that's why we did a vulnerability assessment, and we found out the most vulnerable areas throughout the county,

1919
03:08:38,580 --> 03:08:47,660
the most vulnerable areas where our streams, our water resources are vulnerable, and we have focused that in these presentations.

1920
03:08:47,660 --> 03:08:54,460
So, we are going to do a feasibility to be able to retrofit, maybe start a retrofit program.

1921
03:08:54,660 --> 03:08:59,760
Outside of a cover spring area and those most vulnerable areas, the Lindy was describing.

1922
03:09:00,420 --> 03:09:06,780
But in a regular subdivision, where it's not most vulnerable, the residents can also come together

1923
03:09:06,780 --> 03:09:13,840
if they want to have a retrofit, we have an existing retrofit policy, and there's funding from this from the county,

1924
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:17,880
depending on the income of the area.

1925
03:09:18,460 --> 03:09:20,980
I believe it's like high income, they can self-assess,

1926
03:09:21,280 --> 03:09:24,160
and they can retrofit their septic tanks if they want to have sewer,

1927
03:09:25,960 --> 03:09:30,780
but they may not be funny from the state if the waters of the state are not vulnerable

1928
03:09:30,780 --> 03:09:34,820
in that location. So it is an expensive process,

1929
03:09:35,120 --> 03:09:37,860
and we have to prioritize where we spend those monies,

1930
03:09:38,780 --> 03:09:42,660
but you know, solutions can always pay to retrofit their septic tank if they want to,

1931
03:09:42,660 --> 03:09:45,940
but they're going to have to self-assess the pain on their ankle.

1932
03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:46,740
Okay.

1933
03:09:47,360 --> 03:09:52,500
Well, I definitely would love to make a motion on this trip for this.

1934
03:09:53,580 --> 03:09:54,020
Okay.

1935
03:09:54,740 --> 03:09:58,220
This again is something that requires action today.

1936
03:09:58,440 --> 03:09:59,980
They're sharing this as...

1937
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:05,600
As information, I'll give a few back from the Board. We're moved to Commissioner Moore.

1938
03:10:06,820 --> 03:10:10,680
Linda, thank you for your work. I just had a couple of questions for you.

1939
03:10:11,800 --> 03:10:19,480
With the septic tank companies, do you envision any kind of a training program or brochure communication

1940
03:10:20,000 --> 03:10:23,940
so that they're aware of this ordinance once we pass it?

1941
03:10:23,940 --> 03:10:35,220
Yes, we do, we have our website already and we are doing APDs already doing some educational outreach and I think mailers within the PFA.

1942
03:10:36,440 --> 03:10:44,840
So we would be looking to also expand that to the other vulnerable areas and have the educational component, yes.

1943
03:10:44,840 --> 03:10:53,900
Yeah, because I note, no, but then what kind of that was sometimes an issue, they weren't as a prize of these legislative changes and how it really worked.

1944
03:10:54,040 --> 03:10:56,820
And so that's important to have them on board with us.

1945
03:10:57,560 --> 03:10:58,940
And then what about the grants?

1946
03:10:59,020 --> 03:11:07,000
Do you know if the grants are being offered by FTP for the advanced treatment systems, would they be applicable?

1947
03:11:07,320 --> 03:11:09,860
Or would they be able to be used throughout the county?

1948
03:11:09,860 --> 03:11:38,820
Currently, they are for the Wolk Highway PFA and we are, we did apply for grants outside of the PFA and the PVA's, but we weren't successful in our first round, so we would be applying again for those, they should be eligible if they are within the B map, we could likely be eligible and we will continue to pursue those upgrade incentives.

1949
03:11:39,380 --> 03:11:51,980
It seems like they were held, but I know in the past they were hearing about the sores so they were more interested in sores than they were the advanced treatment, but I know we have to talk that up more in the areas where that's really their only option.

1950
03:11:52,980 --> 03:12:06,680
Okay, and then I've had meetings with EPD, are we going to be keeping up or maybe with the board when you do these reports say how we're doing our loading our nutrient loading reductions,

1951
03:12:06,680 --> 03:12:13,240
And that's the one thing I'm still trying to get myself clear in how FDP monitors us versus

1952
03:12:13,240 --> 03:12:15,760
our municipalities and other counties.

1953
03:12:15,900 --> 03:12:20,280
I was just curious if we know how we're doing with our reductions compared to some

1954
03:12:20,280 --> 03:12:22,840
of the other vulnerable areas in the state.

1955
03:12:24,140 --> 03:12:31,660
For the B maps and the nutrient load reductions, you may not have that today, but that's just

1956
03:12:31,660 --> 03:12:33,180
something that interests me.

1957
03:12:34,160 --> 03:12:36,120
Just to see how we're doing compared to everyone else.

1958
03:12:36,120 --> 03:12:42,620
I know the last round we didn't get accepted for money and I know Orlando got a small grant

1959
03:12:42,620 --> 03:12:48,200
for a neighborhood up in the North Pine Hills area and everybody's there and about it so

1960
03:12:48,200 --> 03:12:52,560
that's it's it's funny to hear them all fighting over the money now and nobody wanted

1961
03:12:52,560 --> 03:12:58,240
to do it 10 years ago and so it is a commissioner to

1962
03:13:01,890 --> 03:13:04,450
work with the community and put the

1963
03:13:04,450 --> 03:13:11,550
together to be able to pass these ordinances. I think about in 2019 when I taught them the team

1964
03:13:11,550 --> 03:13:17,470
process and then you know we're so busy now but that team held together and a very low income

1965
03:13:17,470 --> 03:13:24,070
neighborhood and they passed it with a very high percentage I was incredibly proud of them and then

1966
03:13:24,070 --> 03:13:31,730
the actual process itself is just very laborious and so I'll give you one story before I close I was

1967
03:13:31,730 --> 03:13:37,770
finally having my first party at my house because my I can't pick on them because he's about to

1968
03:13:37,770 --> 03:13:42,890
I'm about to have a grand baby here any any day and so I can't pick on that same son who moved out

1969
03:13:42,890 --> 03:13:49,150
But once he did I decided to have people over and that was the day they decided to close my street

1970
03:13:50,310 --> 03:13:56,650
It was so torn up. I mean you could hardly get down this street and here I'm having all these people at my home

1971
03:13:56,650 --> 03:13:57,690
so it is

1972
03:13:58,950 --> 03:14:03,090
I guess I didn't preface this for people at all in the neighborhood that's converting right now.

1973
03:14:03,430 --> 03:14:05,930
It's a good year and a half. It isn't easy.

1974
03:14:06,550 --> 03:14:11,730
And so when we talk about this with people, I think it's really important to talk about the science.

1975
03:14:11,790 --> 03:14:14,790
Talk about why we do it. Pull them together as a team.

1976
03:14:15,390 --> 03:14:19,910
And that takes a lot of work where they're not going to get through that difficult.

1977
03:14:20,670 --> 03:14:24,990
I mean, I will say at this point, I don't have all my neighbors at my house.

1978
03:14:24,990 --> 03:14:30,150
When I say how is it going, I know it's difficult, and they always say we knew we were going

1979
03:14:30,150 --> 03:14:34,210
to have to do this, it's the right thing to do, we're 100% behind it.

1980
03:14:34,750 --> 03:14:40,230
So it takes time to get to that point, so I applaud you for this ordinance, it's a long

1981
03:14:40,230 --> 03:14:40,710
process.

1982
03:14:40,950 --> 03:14:48,210
I did the math lindi, when you said 50,000 at 75,000 dollars a house, that would be $3.75

1983
03:14:48,210 --> 03:14:48,870
billion.

1984
03:14:50,090 --> 03:14:53,850
And so in essence, we just can't do all this at one time, but the work should always

1985
03:14:53,850 --> 03:14:59,970
beyond going because pulling those neighborhoods together to be supportive is certainly a heavy lift.

1986
03:15:00,110 --> 03:15:10,070
Whereever you are, so I would encourage you, Commissioner Benina, start working with them, because when the money becomes available, then they might be able to get it. That's what I had to do.

1987
03:15:10,670 --> 03:15:17,910
I brought a photographer and they were all happy. We had cake and we celebrated when they did a preliminary straw poll.

1988
03:15:17,910 --> 03:15:23,310
and I drove up to Palacca to talk to St. John Water Management, and that was with convince him.

1989
03:15:23,450 --> 03:15:27,930
He said if the commissioner was that excited about it, the people were that excited about it,

1990
03:15:28,050 --> 03:15:32,050
they would give us the money, and it was the hardest part to get that initial grant.

1991
03:15:32,770 --> 03:15:40,570
So it's never too early to start talking to the people about doing it because the process is so difficult.

1992
03:15:40,750 --> 03:15:45,410
Thank you for your work on this, and of course I would support the ordinance changes.

1993
03:15:45,410 --> 03:15:52,390
Okay, great. Thank you. And we'll get some information to you about the BMAPs, nutrient reductions.

1994
03:15:55,600 --> 03:16:01,880
All right, Lindy. I that that concludes the questions about members of the board.

1995
03:16:01,920 --> 03:16:08,580
Thank you for the presentation this morning. More to follow as we kind of incrementally move the needle here.

1996
03:16:08,580 --> 03:16:18,400
You think you just want to know me at the next step was going to warn us and want to be sure that the board was in concurrence of

1997
03:16:18,400 --> 03:16:22,980
These matters. So we had to warn the strafting

1998
03:16:22,980 --> 03:16:25,650
We didn't need to follow you. I'm just concurrence that

1999
03:16:27,000 --> 03:16:36,940
The board is ready is good with that's proceeding to hold it. Yes. Okay, so we're going to proceed with this

2000
03:16:36,940 --> 03:16:44,460
consensus around that. Okay. Do we even have here any opposition to that, so. Okay. All right.

2001
03:16:44,720 --> 03:16:50,980
All right. Thank you all so much. Yes. All right. Thank you. All right. The next item on our agenda

2002
03:16:50,980 --> 03:16:57,860
is a scheduled discussion item that Commissioner Benilla asked to make a report on the annexation

2003
03:16:57,860 --> 03:17:07,700
charter amendment. But before she gets started on that late yesterday, she requested a non-agenda

2004
03:17:07,700 --> 03:17:17,660
item for discussion today. I want to be clear. I do believe that while that is a very

2005
03:17:17,660 --> 03:17:23,700
important issue for our community, a serious issue, I'm a little concerned about that coming

2006
03:17:23,700 --> 03:17:25,940
before the Board of kind of commission today,

2007
03:17:26,460 --> 03:17:31,060
because it really is neither an emergency on urgent matter

2008
03:17:31,940 --> 03:17:35,480
that I should come before the Board today.

2009
03:17:36,460 --> 03:17:39,200
I do believe that in a very near future,

2010
03:17:39,560 --> 03:17:44,200
in order for if the Board decides to advance

2011
03:17:44,200 --> 03:17:46,540
that initiative to the ballot,

2012
03:17:46,920 --> 03:17:48,880
there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

2013
03:17:49,700 --> 03:17:53,440
Why am I saying that I believe that

2014
03:17:53,440 --> 03:18:01,600
It is inconsistent with the board's rules of procedure, you know, under subsection 2.0

2015
03:18:01,600 --> 03:18:05,640
NAND within the board's rules of procedure.

2016
03:18:06,420 --> 03:18:11,220
It gives some guidance to when we can hear non-engine items.

2017
03:18:12,200 --> 03:18:19,980
In this case, what has been requested regarding the rural boundary and the potential for

2018
03:18:19,980 --> 03:18:27,460
charter amendment there. It does not give the BCC adequate time to prepare for a meaningful

2019
03:18:27,460 --> 03:18:35,620
discussion today. Nor does it give the public adequate notice to participate during public

2020
03:18:35,620 --> 03:18:42,860
comment period when we have non-agenda items. It does not give staff adequate time to properly

2021
03:18:42,860 --> 03:18:48,760
advised the board or brief the Board of County Commission on alternatives and our board

2022
03:18:48,760 --> 03:18:57,780
may be like-minded in many ways but I can tell you this. It is not a monolithic body,

2023
03:18:58,180 --> 03:19:06,220
which means that it is not one that is indivisible of a single thought. Therefore, we should

2024
03:19:06,220 --> 03:19:18,060
And not today agree to the proposition that we should make any decisions today about whether

2025
03:19:18,060 --> 03:19:23,100
or not we move that forward to the charter or not.

2026
03:19:23,500 --> 03:19:29,060
And the process, there's a process by which we would have the discussions.

2027
03:19:29,060 --> 03:19:38,040
The request as it existed day falls outside of the prescribed timeline for submitting agenda items,

2028
03:19:39,300 --> 03:19:45,040
Commissioner Bonilla assumes that the Board of County Commission has enough information

2029
03:19:45,040 --> 03:19:55,060
by which to direct staff to prepare a BCC driven charter amendment for the November 24th ballot of this year.

2030
03:19:55,840 --> 03:19:59,980
I believe our position seems to be based upon the

2031
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:14,990
Independent work of the Chauder Review Commission and the apparent legal opinion by the CRSC General Council, Wade Vos and all, the legal opinion that was

2032
03:20:14,990 --> 03:20:18,230
to miss a vote by the Willis firm,

2033
03:20:20,950 --> 03:20:23,990
and there was color response that we received via

2034
03:20:23,990 --> 03:20:31,630
memorandum to the 2024 Orange County CRC that was dated May 8th of this year, and essentially

2035
03:20:31,630 --> 03:20:37,850
in that color response to legal opinion establishes that the rural boundary of Charter Amendment

2036
03:20:37,850 --> 03:20:46,630
is fatal if law and valleys for law whereby the Florida legislature had been mentioned

2037
03:20:46,630 --> 03:20:54,510
and today, the past Senate Bill 1420 that prohibits citizen-led county amendments that pre-empt

2038
03:20:54,510 --> 03:21:02,970
land-use regulations. In short, we still need the county attorney as counsel to the Board

2039
03:21:02,970 --> 03:21:11,510
of County Commission to research and advise us of their analysis. And so there is no emergency

2040
03:21:11,510 --> 03:21:18,810
urgency for our BCC to take action and make any decision today. This item is neither

2041
03:21:19,430 --> 03:21:26,690
something that is urgent or an emergency that creates a public health, a safety, a well-being,

2042
03:21:26,990 --> 03:21:33,970
a concern for our citizens. And so to do so today by putting the cart before the horse and deciding

2043
03:21:33,970 --> 03:21:42,270
our next course of action, which could be to advance it to the ballot. I do believe is something

2044
03:21:42,270 --> 03:21:50,830
that falls outside the prescribed timeline for submitting agenda items. As such, we have

2045
03:21:50,830 --> 03:21:59,470
time to slow down and think about a deliberate action if the Board of County Commission chooses

2046
03:21:59,470 --> 03:22:04,030
to advance a rural boundary to try to amendment to the ballot.

2047
03:22:04,630 --> 03:22:13,170
This matter may be agenda for a future board meeting date, so we can properly have information

2048
03:22:13,170 --> 03:22:17,770
and prior to the board meeting by which to base our conversation on.

2049
03:22:18,790 --> 03:22:25,270
This will give the Board of County Commission the due diligence to have, again, a meeting

2050
03:22:25,270 --> 03:22:30,290
meaningful discussion pursuant to our board of rules of procedure.

2051
03:22:31,610 --> 03:22:41,130
And so what I am asking her to do today is in her presentation regarding the agenda item,

2052
03:22:41,270 --> 03:22:47,310
the annexation, charter amendment, commissioner, you're welcome to a little to make some

2053
03:22:47,310 --> 03:22:53,550
statements related to what you think may be important for the rule of boundary.

2054
03:22:53,550 --> 03:23:04,130
but that needs to be moved to another date. I'm suggesting that in order to manage our border

2055
03:23:04,130 --> 03:23:12,610
agenda that particular item either come back on June 4th if we move it to June 4th

2056
03:23:12,610 --> 03:23:23,530
the next board meeting it will require moving something off of that agenda because of the

2057
03:23:23,530 --> 03:23:33,210
June 18th and talking with our staff should there be a willingness for our board to move forward

2058
03:23:33,210 --> 03:23:39,870
with a Board of County Commission initiated a rural boundary charter amendment.

2059
03:23:40,430 --> 03:23:47,290
We will have time to be able to have the appropriate work sessions and deliberations and

2060
03:23:47,290 --> 03:23:53,730
receive appropriate legal opinions and or advice from the general counsel to the Board of

2061
03:23:53,730 --> 03:24:01,610
County Commission. So we need, in this instance, we had less than 24 hours to consider

2062
03:24:01,610 --> 03:24:10,070
this matter, again, which may be a serious, important matter, but it is not urgent. Remember that

2063
03:24:10,070 --> 03:24:16,070
similarly, when we had conversations about the Board of County Commission, even if

2064
03:24:16,070 --> 03:24:22,250
Johnson, a child amendment related to the Child Accounting and Transportation Infrastructure

2065
03:24:22,250 --> 03:24:23,070
Sales Tax.

2066
03:24:23,910 --> 03:24:28,070
We had many, many community meetings.

2067
03:24:28,470 --> 03:24:30,370
We did surveys of our residents.

2068
03:24:31,490 --> 03:24:37,690
We also had numerous deliberations before our Board of Accounting Commission.

2069
03:24:38,770 --> 03:24:45,210
And even with that, even though we may have a growing traffic congestion

2070
03:24:45,210 --> 03:24:52,230
problem in multiple issues, calls as a result of the growth challenges that we have.

2071
03:24:52,330 --> 03:24:58,770
Even that issue was not urgent or an emergency under our rules or procedure.

2072
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:21,620
What I'm saying here is that in my capacity is the board chair. I'm going to hold us accountable to our existing board rules or procedure, and I believe that it has been out of order, if you will, inconsistent when I board rules.

2073
03:25:21,620 --> 03:25:30,580
And so we will again look forward to the BCC driven charter amendment, if that is the design of board.

2074
03:25:31,320 --> 03:25:46,480
And finally, I will say to you that, because of the enormity of the issue, a hand on plan for today, we have a splendid board that is present.

2075
03:25:46,480 --> 03:25:56,940
We have several members to perhaps no father that own who are not present today, and they should be part of any conversation that the Board of

2076
03:25:56,940 --> 03:26:05,680
County Commission has about advancing a Board of County Commission directed charter amendment.

2077
03:26:06,260 --> 03:26:16,460
And so with that, I want to ask the stick to the agenda, we're not going to express to take up the non-agenda item today for the reasons that I just

2078
03:26:16,460 --> 03:26:23,080
But that does not mean that I can't speak for members of the board.

2079
03:26:23,640 --> 03:26:24,720
I can't speak for myself.

2080
03:26:24,880 --> 03:26:30,740
It doesn't mean that I am not interested in the prospects of a rural boundary, trying

2081
03:26:30,740 --> 03:26:37,520
to mimic, but it's just a non-inappropriate time today to have that conversation and so

2082
03:26:37,520 --> 03:26:38,400
commission of Grenilla.

2083
03:26:38,940 --> 03:26:45,920
Instead, we're going to go with the agenda item that is only discussion agenda today and that

2084
03:26:45,920 --> 03:26:52,300
is the item that you ask to present for a commissioner's report on an annexation of the

2085
03:26:52,300 --> 03:26:52,940
charter amendment.

2086
03:26:53,360 --> 03:26:55,060
And with that, we can move forward.

2087
03:26:55,060 --> 03:27:02,260
This will be the last item that we were considered before we break for a lunch break.

2088
03:27:02,680 --> 03:27:05,820
So with that, I'm going to turn the floor over to the commissioner beneath this time.

2089
03:27:06,700 --> 03:27:07,380
Thank you, Mayor.

2090
03:27:07,860 --> 03:27:13,080
I would just like to say a lot was assumed because I did not intend to have any votes on

2091
03:27:13,080 --> 03:27:20,880
rural boundary today, just a discussion, and I will read the section 2.09 nonagenda items from

2092
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:21,720
our Rosa procedure.

2093
03:27:22,500 --> 03:27:27,000
Section A definition introduction of items in nonagenda items shall be defined as any item

2094
03:27:27,000 --> 03:27:30,760
that is not on the printed agenda or any printed supplemental agenda.

2095
03:27:31,300 --> 03:27:36,400
Nonagenda items shall be introduced only when deemed by the county mayor or another board member

2096
03:27:36,400 --> 03:27:37,800
to require urgent attention.

2097
03:27:38,580 --> 03:27:43,060
B, information required, adequate information shall be given to the board members on nonagenda

2098
03:27:43,060 --> 03:27:44,580
items that are being requested.

2099
03:27:45,300 --> 03:27:49,000
See, required vote in affirmative vote of at least five members of the board shall be required

2100
03:27:49,000 --> 03:27:50,580
to pass a non-agenda item.

2101
03:27:51,180 --> 03:27:52,660
That's the section for a non-agenda item.

2102
03:27:52,880 --> 03:27:55,160
But like I said, I did not intend to have a vote today.

2103
03:27:55,660 --> 03:28:01,060
Only discussion and direction to staff to do that research that we need to be able to have

2104
03:28:01,060 --> 03:28:02,780
a full discussion heading up.

2105
03:28:02,980 --> 03:28:07,500
Again, the position I'm taking is, you know, I have the five votes.

2106
03:28:08,080 --> 03:28:11,460
I wasn't, again, I wasn't intended to take a vote.

2107
03:28:11,460 --> 03:28:16,280
So we're not going to have the discussion today, it's a non-agenda item.

2108
03:28:17,160 --> 03:28:21,940
I did want to ask the attorney though on the deadlines for having things to the supervisor

2109
03:28:21,940 --> 03:28:25,220
elections to get on the ballot by the Board of County Commissioners.

2110
03:28:25,720 --> 03:28:31,200
My conversation in emails with the attorney Nixon who is the attorney for the supervisor

2111
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:31,780
elections.

2112
03:28:31,780 --> 03:28:36,600
He indicated a date of August 21st, I believe that we can stretch that to the end of August.

2113
03:28:37,600 --> 03:28:39,500
Okay, so we have time to bring this back.

2114
03:28:39,500 --> 03:28:43,600
Maybe in the next meeting or the next one after that.

2115
03:28:43,940 --> 03:28:43,960
Correct.

2116
03:28:44,540 --> 03:28:45,920
Okay, thank you.

2117
03:28:47,660 --> 03:28:47,980
All right.

2118
03:28:48,200 --> 03:28:53,260
So I will go into my agenda item of the annexation discussion.

2119
03:28:54,080 --> 03:29:02,020
And I would like to say that I had done some research on this, and I had gotten language

2120
03:29:02,020 --> 03:29:09,280
from Pinellas County and Miami-Dade County Palm Beach County, and there was a case between

2121
03:29:09,280 --> 03:29:17,320
panelists versus the of Largo, as well, and that was all provided to all of you when I had submitted my request for this commissioners report.

2122
03:29:19,020 --> 03:29:24,280
So definitely one of the issues that we've been having is annexation that

2123
03:29:26,040 --> 03:29:32,980
goes on without any safe from the Board of County commissioners, which definitely causes issues.

2124
03:29:32,980 --> 03:29:51,260
And in my research, you know, we have voluntary annexation and a charter county can have in their charter the policies and procedures of how a voluntary annexation can have it.

2125
03:29:51,260 --> 03:29:59,980
And I'll tell you from learning from Penelis versus City of Largo Case, the mistake that they had made was that they had...

2126
03:30:00,240 --> 03:30:08,780
Put in their charter that the board will do such and such and put that in their regulations of the policies.

2127
03:30:10,640 --> 03:30:22,200
What the court found was that, yes, a county can put regulations and policies of voluntary annexation, but it has to be stated in the charter fully.

2128
03:30:22,200 --> 03:30:35,320
So all the procedures for that volunteer annexation, all has to be in the charter, not just saying that, you know, the border can't commissioners can write up procedures.

2129
03:30:35,880 --> 03:30:39,220
The procedures actually have to be in the charter. I don't think that makes sense.

2130
03:30:39,560 --> 03:30:45,360
So that was what was determined from that court case between Pinellas County versus City of Largo.

2131
03:30:46,680 --> 03:30:53,200
So, I proposed some language here as an example in my proposal.

2132
03:30:54,320 --> 03:30:58,660
So, it includes, and this is from learning from some of the other annexation policies,

2133
03:30:58,660 --> 03:31:03,360
like I mentioned from those other counties, the pros and cons of those,

2134
03:31:03,360 --> 03:31:07,240
what we've learned from those from the research that I've done.

2135
03:31:07,540 --> 03:31:14,420
So, the criteria is that if any proposed voluntary annexation must meet the following criteria,

2136
03:31:14,420 --> 03:31:18,580
comprehensive plan consistency and I'm going to go through this really quickly because I've

2137
03:31:18,580 --> 03:31:20,400
already handed this all out to you.

2138
03:31:20,540 --> 03:31:26,420
Infrastructure impact, these we consider public consultation, requirements like notifications,

2139
03:31:27,460 --> 03:31:35,160
so effective residents being notified, mailings of notifications, public hearings, the of course

2140
03:31:35,160 --> 03:31:40,620
the public hearing having feedback from the residents and I will add to this too because this

2141
03:31:40,620 --> 03:31:44,040
was in here that there should be a supermajority vote.

2142
03:31:44,660 --> 03:31:47,220
Protection against on-clave creations as well,

2143
03:31:47,560 --> 03:31:49,480
compact and contiguous development.

2144
03:31:51,140 --> 03:31:52,800
And a lot of these criteria also

2145
03:31:52,800 --> 03:31:54,720
follow some of the state statute still.

2146
03:31:55,640 --> 03:31:56,960
Urban Service area limits.

2147
03:31:57,660 --> 03:32:00,060
So it should be in the urban service area

2148
03:32:00,060 --> 03:32:03,660
rather than out in any protected or rural zones.

2149
03:32:04,680 --> 03:32:07,360
There's the exception, because some of the discussions

2150
03:32:07,360 --> 03:32:09,120
we've had with the CRC.

2151
03:32:09,120 --> 03:32:11,640
You know, there was concerns about the joint agreements.

2152
03:32:12,680 --> 03:32:18,220
So the joint planning agreements are exempt from this.

2153
03:32:19,700 --> 03:32:24,420
And it also, let me go to county review and interlocal agreements.

2154
03:32:24,760 --> 03:32:26,860
So this proposed annexation shall undergo review

2155
03:32:26,860 --> 03:32:29,520
by the Board of County Commissioners to ensure alignment

2156
03:32:29,520 --> 03:32:32,660
with county-wide planning and service provision standards.

2157
03:32:32,920 --> 03:32:36,180
So it asks for a local interlocal agreement to happen

2158
03:32:36,180 --> 03:32:40,320
between the county and the city if it is annexed.

2159
03:32:40,460 --> 03:32:45,000
And then from learning from other policies,

2160
03:32:45,340 --> 03:32:47,400
procedures, and things that we do at the county,

2161
03:32:47,880 --> 03:32:49,560
we should always have an appeals process.

2162
03:32:49,880 --> 03:32:52,100
So I did add an appeal process in here.

2163
03:32:52,280 --> 03:32:54,280
So the right to appeal, the appeal timeline,

2164
03:32:55,020 --> 03:32:58,420
filing procedures, the route process, and the public hearing

2165
03:32:58,420 --> 03:33:01,700
for that appeal process as well.

2166
03:33:02,300 --> 03:33:04,980
And of course, making sure that there's transparency

2167
03:33:04,980 --> 03:33:07,580
seeing what the final decision would look like.

2168
03:33:07,980 --> 03:33:08,780
And some timelines.

2169
03:33:11,000 --> 03:33:12,320
So definitely some of the benefits

2170
03:33:12,320 --> 03:33:14,920
as enhanced local governance and strategic planning,

2171
03:33:15,120 --> 03:33:17,280
greater protection for on-equipart areas of residents,

2172
03:33:17,820 --> 03:33:21,360
and more equitable distribution of services and tax impacts.

2173
03:33:23,780 --> 03:33:25,980
So the next steps will be just the Board

2174
03:33:25,980 --> 03:33:28,020
of County Commissioners giving some direction

2175
03:33:28,020 --> 03:33:31,880
to the staff to go ahead and draft this to come back

2176
03:33:31,880 --> 03:33:38,620
the board for review of that draft and approval to go on to ballet.

2177
03:33:43,200 --> 03:33:44,200
So, I hope you.

2178
03:33:49,920 --> 03:33:50,340
Okay.

2179
03:33:51,500 --> 03:33:51,940
Questions?

2180
03:33:52,500 --> 03:33:53,300
Are my members of the board?

2181
03:33:57,320 --> 03:33:58,000
Commissioner Moore.

2182
03:33:59,380 --> 03:34:02,520
So, it's kind of sounds like you're taking it away from the municipality's

2183
03:34:02,520 --> 03:34:03,500
removing it to the county.

2184
03:34:03,660 --> 03:34:08,920
I'd like many of the notification aspects of it.

2185
03:34:08,960 --> 03:34:10,300
So, that would be my first question.

2186
03:34:10,560 --> 03:34:13,860
Is that the goal to remove it from the cities and move it to the county?

2187
03:34:13,860 --> 03:34:18,180
So there's two types of annexation, involuntary and involuntary annexation.

2188
03:34:18,300 --> 03:34:25,820
So the involuntary annexation, there's a process in the Florida statutes, so if the city is saying,

2189
03:34:26,300 --> 03:34:28,540
I want that property in the city, right?

2190
03:34:29,460 --> 03:34:34,180
Then they have a process for that that's delineated in the Florida statutes.

2191
03:34:34,680 --> 03:34:39,020
And their process for that is going to the people to vote on it.

2192
03:34:39,020 --> 03:34:40,100
So they have to put

2193
03:34:42,750 --> 03:34:44,970
a patient as voluntary annexation.

2194
03:34:45,410 --> 03:34:47,770
What that means is a private landowner says,

2195
03:34:47,770 --> 03:34:49,090
I want to be in the city.

2196
03:34:50,430 --> 03:34:53,610
So this is only covering that voluntary annexation,

2197
03:34:53,630 --> 03:34:55,830
when it's a private landowner.

2198
03:34:56,350 --> 03:34:59,730
And so when it's a private landowner, it's giving basically

2199
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:30,040
It's less stringent than what the involuntary one is, because we're not asking to go to a referendum, we're just asking for the board to say, yeah, we think this is a good idea and if we do this, we should have an interlocal agreement and then pushing it onto the city and saying, now it's in your hands, do you want to do this? And working with them. So now it puts us in a position where we're a partner with them in it, rather than it's just happening on its own without us doing anything.

2200
03:35:30,040 --> 03:35:34,480
So if a private landowner wants to with the voluntary annexation

2201
03:35:34,480 --> 03:35:37,160
wants to go into the city, the city doesn't even

2202
03:35:37,160 --> 03:35:40,320
have to do anything beyond a couple of public hearings.

2203
03:35:40,460 --> 03:35:42,440
They don't even have to do a referendum or anything.

2204
03:35:43,140 --> 03:35:46,200
It's extremely, extremely easy, like too easy.

2205
03:35:46,740 --> 03:35:51,380
So this is putting some guardrails in there and also putting

2206
03:35:51,380 --> 03:35:54,140
some ability for the county to work with the city

2207
03:35:54,680 --> 03:35:56,540
with agreements with that as well.

2208
03:35:56,920 --> 03:35:57,020
Sorry.

2209
03:35:57,020 --> 03:36:02,220
And Nelson's, your answer though, is yes, because in this proposal, the Board of

2210
03:36:02,220 --> 03:36:06,160
County Commissioners has to approve the annexation though.

2211
03:36:06,340 --> 03:36:11,080
I think that's what you, so it is saying yes, the board now, Nelson's, it's no only

2212
03:36:11,080 --> 03:36:14,140
just the city's decision, it becomes a Board of County Commission's decision.

2213
03:36:14,280 --> 03:36:15,960
I think that's what you are going to get to.

2214
03:36:16,740 --> 03:36:21,880
Yeah, that really, of course, that's going to get some opposition from some of the cities,

2215
03:36:22,020 --> 03:36:22,340
obviously.

2216
03:36:22,480 --> 03:36:26,720
So if you calculated the opposition, you're going to get on this ordinance.

2217
03:36:26,720 --> 03:36:36,340
So that's where all the conversations with the cities happening in CRC with the rural boundary and they're having the issue with that language of annexation.

2218
03:36:36,900 --> 03:36:40,380
Their compromise was taken to consideration in this.

2219
03:36:41,160 --> 03:36:48,860
So if you look at all the cities that have joint planning agreements, the majority of them are ready.

2220
03:36:49,020 --> 03:36:50,720
So this exempts that.

2221
03:36:51,380 --> 03:36:52,280
Does that make sense?

2222
03:36:52,620 --> 03:36:53,960
This exempts that.

2223
03:36:53,960 --> 03:36:59,300
So the joint planning agreements, if they already have one, like the City of Apocalypse has one.

2224
03:37:00,400 --> 03:37:02,760
No, I'm aware, of course, I'm aware of it, because I deal with it.

2225
03:37:03,240 --> 03:37:09,380
But I know in the case of a co-A, we have an agreement with them that they will continue to remove on claims,

2226
03:37:09,600 --> 03:37:12,620
and that's a very collegial response.

2227
03:37:12,680 --> 03:37:16,260
So I can't censor with a Orlando or Apocalypse, would be considered co-A.

2228
03:37:16,320 --> 03:37:18,120
So yeah, so this exempts that.

2229
03:37:18,120 --> 03:37:30,600
So this exempts any of the lands that are in the agreement with the Pocka or Ocoe, or the other cities that we have joint planning agreements, what exempts basically on-claves, probably, because they're in a joint use.

2230
03:37:30,960 --> 03:37:31,820
The joint agreements.

2231
03:37:32,420 --> 03:37:37,100
So it's if they're expanding outside of the joint use areas.

2232
03:37:37,500 --> 03:37:44,460
Yeah, so if they're going outside of what we already agreed with them, then those lands will come into this.

2233
03:37:44,460 --> 03:37:50,280
there's still big controversial so I just be curious you know have you caught had conversations with the

2234
03:37:50,280 --> 03:37:56,400
cities to see how this is going to go over well this is based on the conversations that we're

2235
03:37:56,400 --> 03:38:01,700
having in CRC okay well the cities need to be involved and do you know how many other counties

2236
03:38:02,540 --> 03:38:09,660
have a have it flipped this way from the city going to the county three counties that I provided

2237
03:38:09,660 --> 03:38:13,520
samples for and I believe there's another one by

2238
03:38:13,520 --> 03:38:16,380
Can't remember what it was now that also has one.

2239
03:38:16,600 --> 03:38:16,760
So my, I can't remember what it was now that also has one.

2240
03:38:16,760 --> 03:38:19,140
So my, I can't remember what you said. You might be dead.

2241
03:38:19,380 --> 03:38:20,420
Has it with this flip-up?

2242
03:38:20,860 --> 03:38:23,740
Yes. So Penelis, my amy date in Palm Beach.

2243
03:38:24,020 --> 03:38:26,840
And there's another one by Can't remember what the larger county's.

2244
03:38:27,440 --> 03:38:29,840
Okay. All right. Well, I may never heard to look at it.

2245
03:38:29,960 --> 03:38:32,020
I bet I know you're going to have some major episodes.

2246
03:38:36,610 --> 03:38:39,550
Okay. There are no other questions.

2247
03:38:40,590 --> 03:38:48,610
This is, I think, worthy of some discussion for the discussion, obviously, before the board.

2248
03:38:50,010 --> 03:39:00,770
And there will have to work with the county administrator staff to kind of establish some type of timeline,

2249
03:39:00,770 --> 03:39:09,530
a schedule to have appropriate boardwork sessions while I acknowledge a lot of meeting and meetings

2250
03:39:09,530 --> 03:39:14,810
in time went in to the Charter Review Commission that is a separate entity from the Board

2251
03:39:14,810 --> 03:39:26,430
of County Commission that is citizen-driven and as such we would, because ultimately, the Board

2252
03:39:26,430 --> 03:39:31,770
of County Commission would be the decision-maker in this instance about whether or not this

2253
03:39:31,770 --> 03:39:39,790
issue should move forward for potential charter amendment, but this board has to make

2254
03:39:39,790 --> 03:39:48,510
certain that it is, as for me, and briefed with all the various nuances including hearing

2255
03:39:48,510 --> 03:39:55,650
from the elected officials and others within the municipalities within our county to understand

2256
03:39:55,650 --> 03:39:59,750
and residents, even from the unecooperated areas.

2257
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:14,840
So, just not ready, obviously, for decision to be made today, but this is to start, perhaps, of a much more robust conversation.

2258
03:40:15,900 --> 03:40:25,020
And we don't have a whole lot of time, you know, with the potential for an August deadline,

2259
03:40:25,520 --> 03:40:31,740
we'll verify with the supervisor's elections or what's the absolute deadline that they

2260
03:40:31,740 --> 03:40:34,420
would need to have a decision about board.

2261
03:40:35,200 --> 03:40:43,760
We'll then back up from that date to establish a schedule of informative conversations with

2262
03:40:43,760 --> 03:40:49,940
public hearings and work sessions and the like that we have to occur to be more intentional

2263
03:40:49,940 --> 03:40:55,920
about a decision that the Board of County Commission would make and that would include

2264
03:40:55,920 --> 03:41:08,620
even briefings on what does exist in the cities that have been suggested and the mechanics

2265
03:41:08,620 --> 03:41:15,740
of how it works within those cities and perhaps how long has been in place in a type of historical

2266
03:41:15,740 --> 03:41:24,720
record about the processes, how they work, don't work, and we would then kind of move forward.

2267
03:41:26,100 --> 03:41:35,600
So that is something we don't have before us today, but we certainly can empower the general consensus

2268
03:41:35,600 --> 03:41:42,800
of our board at this point, we again today, because of the extraordinary circumstances.

2269
03:41:44,540 --> 03:41:50,600
We're missing key members of our board today from being able to participate in the conversation

2270
03:41:50,600 --> 03:41:54,600
about a board of county commission, driven, and charter amendment.

2271
03:41:56,040 --> 03:42:04,360
I do believe that each member of the board's input is important to the discussion that we

2272
03:42:04,360 --> 03:42:12,360
have and so we'll have to take that in the consideration and see if, you know, we all can get

2273
03:42:12,360 --> 03:42:19,960
comfortable with it. So I will ask you the Commissioner Bonilla to work with the County Administrator

2274
03:42:20,840 --> 03:42:27,520
on establishing a particular timeline. If that is the general consensus of the board,

2275
03:42:27,520 --> 03:42:34,720
those present to move forward the conversation. I see Commissioner Gomez Cadero shaking her

2276
03:42:34,720 --> 03:42:41,600
here. I know we're Commissioner Bonilla stands, Commissioner Yerebe. You want to have further

2277
03:42:41,600 --> 03:42:48,120
dialogue, Commissioner Moore? Okay. All right. So the consensus is that we will continue

2278
03:42:48,120 --> 03:42:56,920
a dialogue and create a decision making timeline, if indeed this moves forward.

2279
03:42:57,720 --> 03:43:07,700
So with that, if there are no further questions or comments, then we will go into recess

2280
03:43:07,700 --> 03:43:17,040
and return to PM for the afternoon portion of our meeting today, and we'll reconvene at

2281
03:43:17,040 --> 03:43:23,440
Thank you all, those of you in the audience and those who are viewing who have joined us today at this time.

2282
03:43:23,540 --> 03:43:24,260
All right.

2283
03:44:21,060 --> 03:44:24,480
All right. Good afternoon, everyone. Let me welcome all of you back.

2284
03:44:24,760 --> 03:44:29,660
We're live once again on Orange TV with Orange County Board of kind of commission meeting.

2285
03:44:29,960 --> 03:44:31,760
I made the 21st, 2024.

2286
03:44:32,580 --> 03:44:35,080
As we began our afternoon portion,

2287
03:44:35,400 --> 03:44:40,340
I do want to share with those of you who are in the audience.

2288
03:44:41,380 --> 03:44:47,860
I'm told that there were some people who were told that we would be discussing on the

2289
03:44:47,860 --> 03:44:59,000
agenda this afternoon, the prospects of a chartered county ballot amendment related to the rural

2290
03:44:59,000 --> 03:44:59,480
boundary.

2291
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:07,000
If you're here for that, that is a non-agented item, that is not going to be discussed this afternoon.

2292
03:45:08,440 --> 03:45:20,480
So, I just wanted to say that to everyone. But as we begin, we are going to start this afternoon with the planning and zoning borders on an adjustment recommendations.

2293
03:45:20,900 --> 03:45:27,700
And Mr. Taylor, it goes that, it's going to come forward and he will frame that item for us and with that we'll begin our meeting.

2294
03:45:27,700 --> 03:45:33,240
Thank you. Good afternoon, Mayor commissioners. On May the 2nd, 2024, the Board of

2295
03:45:33,240 --> 03:45:38,100
Zoning Adjustment heard 15 cases. 13 of those cases were recommended for approval.

2296
03:45:38,840 --> 03:45:49,860
One case V8206-035-J Panic for cars flooring was recommended for denial. And one case V8206-036-Bavi-Meralis

2297
03:45:49,860 --> 03:45:55,000
was continued at the meeting to July 3, but then subsequently withdrew after the meeting.

2298
03:45:55,000 --> 03:46:00,060
The BZA appeal deadline was Friday May 17th, and no cases were appealed.

2299
03:46:00,320 --> 03:46:03,760
We request the BCC accepted BZA recommended action in findings.

2300
03:46:05,700 --> 03:46:06,020
All right.

2301
03:46:06,540 --> 03:46:09,180
With that, we have a motion.

2302
03:46:09,660 --> 03:46:11,020
I'd like to commissioner Eurebe.

2303
03:46:11,780 --> 03:46:14,020
Second by commissioner Gomez Cadero.

2304
03:46:14,320 --> 03:46:16,200
All in favor, let it be known by saying aye.

2305
03:46:16,200 --> 03:46:16,560
Aye.

2306
03:46:16,620 --> 03:46:17,720
Opposed no.

2307
03:46:17,940 --> 03:46:21,380
The motion passes, and it is unanimous.

2308
03:46:21,580 --> 03:46:21,720
All right.

2309
03:46:21,760 --> 03:46:22,720
Thank you, Mr. Cozak.

2310
03:46:22,720 --> 03:46:25,240
We're going to move forward then on our afternoon agenda.

2311
03:46:25,640 --> 03:46:28,540
We're going to move the item A1 schedule for this afternoon.

2312
03:46:28,840 --> 03:46:33,000
It is a public hearing regarding a petition to vacate.

2313
03:46:33,440 --> 03:46:35,520
We're going to open the public hearing at this time.

2314
03:46:35,680 --> 03:46:41,480
We're going to ask our Deputy Director of Public Works and his Susan Eussach to frame this issue

2315
03:46:41,480 --> 03:46:43,780
and with that, Mr. Eussach, you are recognized.

2316
03:46:44,080 --> 03:46:44,740
Thank you, Mayor.

2317
03:46:45,300 --> 03:46:46,800
This is a petition to vacate.

2318
03:46:46,800 --> 03:46:55,300
The PTV-24-01-002 from the Lyd and Nitsky on behalf of the structure redevelopment LLC.

2319
03:46:56,060 --> 03:47:00,840
The petitioner requests that a Orange County vacate a portion of a 30-foot wide, unopened and

2320
03:47:00,840 --> 03:47:05,640
unimproved right-way known as Avenue A that lies along the west property line of his residential

2321
03:47:05,640 --> 03:47:11,520
parcel located in the town of Gotha containing approximately 0.09 acres.

2322
03:47:11,940 --> 03:47:15,260
The property lies north of Parkbridge, Gotha Road, and west of Sutter Avenue.

2323
03:47:15,260 --> 03:47:20,300
The petitioner wishes to vacate in order to add land to his property for the future development.

2324
03:47:20,860 --> 03:47:25,540
The real estate management, environmental protection, engineering, transportation planning,

2325
03:47:25,840 --> 03:47:28,500
and roads and drainage divisions have no objection to this request.

2326
03:47:29,100 --> 03:47:31,940
All utility providers have also provided letters of no objection.

2327
03:47:32,540 --> 03:47:37,700
Approval of this request will have no adverse effect on Orange County and staff has no objection to this request.

2328
03:47:37,700 --> 03:47:42,700
Our requested action is approval of PTV24-01-002.

2329
03:47:43,800 --> 03:47:47,120
The parcel is located in District 1, and I'm here to answer any questions.

2330
03:47:47,880 --> 03:47:49,600
All right. Thank you, Mr. Yousak.

2331
03:47:49,960 --> 03:47:54,680
With that, I want to ask the applicant or representative of the applicant.

2332
03:47:54,840 --> 03:48:00,980
If you'd like to make any comments at this time on item A1, you can come to the mic.

2333
03:48:01,320 --> 03:48:02,700
Otherwise, you can wave.

2334
03:48:03,300 --> 03:48:06,220
Okay, he's indicating that he's waving or making any comments.

2335
03:48:07,080 --> 03:48:09,400
with that, then we'll go to the public,

2336
03:48:09,480 --> 03:48:10,920
are there members of the public present

2337
03:48:10,920 --> 03:48:12,580
who should be heard on this item?

2338
03:48:12,840 --> 03:48:14,320
We have this speaker person, this item.

2339
03:48:14,560 --> 03:48:15,320
All right.

2340
03:48:15,700 --> 03:48:17,340
Since there are no speakers in the public

2341
03:48:17,340 --> 03:48:18,560
who should be heard on this item,

2342
03:48:18,660 --> 03:48:20,000
we will close the public hearing.

2343
03:48:20,160 --> 03:48:24,120
At this time, we'll go to actually the district commissioner.

2344
03:48:25,000 --> 03:48:30,540
It is not here, but commissioner Wilson is a district commissioner

2345
03:48:30,540 --> 03:48:32,260
and normally we go to the district commissioner.

2346
03:48:32,640 --> 03:48:33,880
But commissioner, you rebate

2347
03:48:33,880 --> 03:48:35,600
would you like to offer potential motion?

2348
03:48:35,600 --> 03:48:38,280
Yes, Mayor, file motion for approval with conditions.

2349
03:48:39,260 --> 03:48:42,520
All right, we have a motion by Commissioner Uribe.

2350
03:48:43,020 --> 03:48:45,540
Second by Commissioner Gomez Cordero.

2351
03:48:46,140 --> 03:48:47,760
All in favor, let it be known by saying,

2352
03:48:48,280 --> 03:48:55,060
I oppose no motion passes and it is unanimous.

2353
03:48:55,280 --> 03:48:57,900
All right, with that, we move to the next item on our agenda.

2354
03:48:58,180 --> 03:49:01,040
For this afternoon, and this is item A2,

2355
03:49:01,280 --> 03:49:03,140
we're open the public hearing on this item.

2356
03:49:03,140 --> 03:49:06,400
Again, we'll ask Mr. Yusat to frame this item.

2357
03:49:07,580 --> 03:49:15,420
This is a petition to vacate PTV24-002-005 from Jason Bigford, from all custom stone and

2358
03:49:15,420 --> 03:49:18,100
title ink on behalf of Joseph and Christine Johnson.

2359
03:49:18,840 --> 03:49:24,880
The petitioner request that Orange County vacate a 2.5 foot wide portion of a 7.5 foot

2360
03:49:24,880 --> 03:49:29,640
wide drainage and utility easement that lies near the west property line of the petitioner's

2361
03:49:29,640 --> 03:49:35,440
potential parcel located in the Miller's Cove subdivision containing approximately 150 square

2362
03:49:35,440 --> 03:49:36,140
feet.

2363
03:49:36,420 --> 03:49:39,460
The property lies north of Amber Oak Drive and east of Hall Road.

2364
03:49:40,040 --> 03:49:43,520
The petitioner wished to vacate in order to clear title to the property for future

2365
03:49:43,520 --> 03:49:44,000
development.

2366
03:49:44,620 --> 03:49:48,680
The Rosendrainage Real Estate Management and Environmental Protection Divisions have no objection

2367
03:49:48,680 --> 03:49:49,620
to this request.

2368
03:49:50,280 --> 03:49:53,080
All utility providers have also provided letters of no objection.

2369
03:49:54,000 --> 03:49:58,420
Approval of this request will have no adverse effect on Orange County and Staff has no

2370
03:49:58,420 --> 03:49:59,500
to this request.

2371
03:50:00,240 --> 03:50:10,360
Our requested action is approval of PTV24-02-005. This parcel is located in District 5 and I'm here to answer any questions.

2372
03:50:11,280 --> 03:50:18,920
All right, is the African on this item present? So would you like to come forward and offer in the comments? She's waving, she says, she doesn't think so.

2373
03:50:19,540 --> 03:50:24,560
So, well, standby. Do we have any members of the public present who should be heard on this item?

2374
03:50:26,220 --> 03:50:33,800
There are no speakers, so we'll close the public hearing at this time, we'll go to the District Commissioner Commissioner Bonilla, would you like to offer a potential motion?

2375
03:50:33,900 --> 03:50:35,440
Some of the second moment.

2376
03:50:36,060 --> 03:50:39,580
Okay, a motion by Commissioner Bonilla, second by Commissioner Gomez Cadaro.

2377
03:50:40,140 --> 03:50:41,980
All in favor, let it be known by saying aye.

2378
03:50:41,980 --> 03:50:42,400
Aye.

2379
03:50:42,400 --> 03:50:46,560
Opposed no motion passes, and it is unanimous.

2380
03:50:46,840 --> 03:50:47,760
All right.

2381
03:50:48,360 --> 03:50:53,000
We'll move to the next item on the agenda, and this is item B3.

2382
03:50:53,000 --> 03:50:57,780
We'll open the public hearing on this item and Mr. Thalmula, our planning administrator

2383
03:50:57,780 --> 03:50:59,440
will frame this item.

2384
03:51:01,700 --> 03:51:08,640
Good afternoon. I don't hear in E-3 is an amendment to the Grinata PD. This PD is first

2385
03:51:08,640 --> 03:51:22,980
approved back in 1974, contains about 1600 acres. This request is an amendment to one of the final

2386
03:51:22,980 --> 03:51:29,300
of the PD, properties located on the west side of Turkey Lake Road, just south of the

2387
03:51:29,300 --> 03:51:36,220
San Lake Road intersection, and the request is to add an additional allowable use into this

2388
03:51:36,220 --> 03:51:42,260
PD parcel, southwest G. Right now the parcel allows retail commercial uses, the request is to

2389
03:51:42,260 --> 03:51:47,960
also allow multi-family uses to be considered on the site. There is a second part to the request,

2390
03:51:47,960 --> 03:51:54,200
which is to remove a requirement that was placed on this parcel in 2006 that required the

2391
03:51:54,200 --> 03:51:59,450
dedication of two 20-foot strips of land for right away on the west side of Turkey Lake Road.

2392
03:52:01,940 --> 03:52:08,680
Area of the future land use map property is designated commercial and is zoned PD as part of the

2393
03:52:08,680 --> 03:52:15,220
Granada properties PD, which allows for a mix of non-residential and both single and multi-family

2394
03:52:15,220 --> 03:52:20,520
residential uses. And here in the area, we can see the surrounding area is developed with

2395
03:52:20,520 --> 03:52:27,100
a good cross section of all of those uses. Subject property itself currently enveloped.

2396
03:52:27,320 --> 03:52:33,580
Here we've got the PD land use plan with a blow up of the affected area down there in

2397
03:52:33,580 --> 03:52:34,740
the very southwest corner.

2398
03:52:36,890 --> 03:52:39,690
And the recommendation is to make a fine consistency with

2399
03:52:39,690 --> 03:52:45,710
comprehensive plan and approve the Granada Plan development. Subject to the conditions listed

2400
03:52:45,710 --> 03:52:48,050
on the DRC recommendation on the staff report.

2401
03:52:49,190 --> 03:52:50,390
Mayor commissioners have been briefed in the

2402
03:52:50,390 --> 03:52:52,750
side of them's cases in district one and staff

2403
03:52:52,750 --> 03:52:53,930
available for any questions.

2404
03:52:56,690 --> 03:52:58,650
All right, is the applicant on this item?

2405
03:52:59,010 --> 03:53:02,110
So would you like to come forward or offer any comments?

2406
03:53:05,290 --> 03:53:06,070
Good afternoon, Mayor.

2407
03:53:06,470 --> 03:53:07,670
Commissioner, Senator San Francisco, and has the lead

2408
03:53:07,670 --> 03:53:08,010
increment.

2409
03:53:08,590 --> 03:53:11,050
My address for the record is 420 South Orange Avenue,

2410
03:53:11,210 --> 03:53:12,610
Sweet 1200 in Orlando.

2411
03:53:13,530 --> 03:53:15,550
Just wanted to say that we have read the staff report.

2412
03:53:15,610 --> 03:53:18,450
We agree with staff findings and we're happy to answer any

2413
03:53:18,450 --> 03:53:18,890
questions.

2414
03:53:18,890 --> 03:53:22,510
I have on my client with me today if there's any questions about the project.

2415
03:53:23,150 --> 03:53:23,590
Thank you.

2416
03:53:23,770 --> 03:53:24,010
All right.

2417
03:53:24,130 --> 03:53:25,870
Thank you very much.

2418
03:53:26,430 --> 03:53:26,810
Stand by.

2419
03:53:27,030 --> 03:53:29,710
Do we have members of the public present who should be heard on this item?

2420
03:53:29,950 --> 03:53:31,210
We have no speakers for this case, Mayor.

2421
03:53:31,690 --> 03:53:31,910
All right.

2422
03:53:32,070 --> 03:53:33,430
Then we'll close the public hearing.

2423
03:53:33,830 --> 03:53:40,890
Under have one question, however, you indicated that there are two parcels that was designated

2424
03:53:40,890 --> 03:53:48,870
for right away that apparently there's no longer needed that area is heavily congested with

2425
03:53:48,870 --> 03:53:53,970
traffic and so kind of tell me why that right away is no longer needed.

2426
03:53:55,150 --> 03:54:01,470
My understanding of the 2006 amendment is that the time there was a consideration for a mass

2427
03:54:01,470 --> 03:54:08,370
transit system down this portion of Turkey Lake Road and that's why there was the consideration

2428
03:54:08,370 --> 03:54:13,630
for the strips of right away which follow the curve here in the property along Turkey Lake

2429
03:54:14,830 --> 03:54:18,610
However, as you can see, all of the surrounding property has already been developed.

2430
03:54:18,810 --> 03:54:23,330
None of the other properties include this right away extension.

2431
03:54:23,590 --> 03:54:28,530
So there's really, even if we, there are no current county plans for an extension,

2432
03:54:28,930 --> 03:54:30,510
a widening of this section of Turkey lake.

2433
03:54:31,110 --> 03:54:35,510
Even if there were, there's nothing really, even if we were to require it on this property,

2434
03:54:35,650 --> 03:54:38,250
there's nothing for the lanes to connect to.

2435
03:54:38,250 --> 03:54:45,570
So there's no overall system that would be able to accomplish by requiring this chunk of right away here.

2436
03:54:45,910 --> 03:54:47,890
All right, Commissioner Gomez Cadero.

2437
03:54:48,670 --> 03:54:49,570
I have a question.

2438
03:54:50,210 --> 03:54:54,470
Nick, will this lake, since it's very big, and they're going to do some housing,

2439
03:54:55,250 --> 03:54:59,970
a residential thing, they will be able to, like, put a-

2440
03:55:04,460 --> 03:55:26,900
So you have a question about a doctor or other type of structures on the lake? So that is not permitted to do this process. They would have to go to the EVD boat dock permitting process to see if that's allowed. In fact, we have a standard condition of approval that says this zoning approval does not automatically give you allowance to do that. You've got to go through the separate permitting process.

2441
03:55:29,760 --> 03:55:31,920
It is a lot of family development.

2442
03:55:33,360 --> 03:55:34,660
That's the request.

2443
03:55:35,380 --> 03:55:39,480
At this time, we don't have a specific proposal.

2444
03:55:40,380 --> 03:55:46,640
The request now is just to allow the consideration of mix of the two uses.

2445
03:55:46,940 --> 03:55:50,640
So instead of only being able to do commercial uses in the property, retail, commercial,

2446
03:55:51,180 --> 03:55:53,980
they want the allowance to also do residential as well.

2447
03:55:53,980 --> 03:55:59,760
So, at the end of the day, when they come in with the next stage approval, they'll have a proposal for a specific mix,

2448
03:55:59,960 --> 03:56:06,740
X number of residential, X number of commercial, they've indicated a potential development program,

2449
03:56:06,780 --> 03:56:13,260
and that's listed in the staff report, 262 multifamily, part of the units, and 5,000 square feet of retail.

2450
03:56:13,760 --> 03:56:16,880
However, those numbers could change the development plan stage.

2451
03:56:18,620 --> 03:56:20,540
All right, Commissioner, you're here, but.

2452
03:56:20,540 --> 03:56:30,660
I do have a question that I don't know. I'm sorry if I put you on the spot. But does that leak because it's got commercial in residential. Does it allow?

2453
03:56:31,800 --> 03:56:40,300
Vote access for like a multi-family? Does the applicant know? Is that the intent to do that? Because you guys are going to have apartments.

2454
03:56:40,540 --> 03:56:43,000
So these are condos or town homes. You're going to actually have apartments.

2455
03:56:43,460 --> 03:56:49,460
As at this time, it's not our intent and I was of the understanding that you are correct that we were not allowed to have access.

2456
03:56:50,340 --> 03:56:54,880
Yeah, I know, I mean, I've never, like, it's very specific.

2457
03:56:55,060 --> 03:56:58,900
I think there was a one location, like an event place or something like that water.

2458
03:56:59,680 --> 03:57:02,480
Okay, thanks, thanks for the update.

2459
03:57:03,140 --> 03:57:03,620
All right.

2460
03:57:04,460 --> 03:57:05,240
Is there a motion?

2461
03:57:05,780 --> 03:57:07,360
Some moved by your baby?

2462
03:57:07,800 --> 03:57:08,440
Second moment?

2463
03:57:09,320 --> 03:57:09,620
All right.

2464
03:57:09,620 --> 03:57:14,920
We have a motion by Commissioner Uribe, second by Commissioner Gomez Cadero, all in favor

2465
03:57:14,920 --> 03:57:22,340
that would be known by saying aye, opposed no motion passes and it is unanimous.

2466
03:57:22,580 --> 03:57:30,880
With that, we're going to move to the next item on our agenda and the next item is C4.

2467
03:57:31,340 --> 03:57:35,580
We're open to public hearing on this item and Mr. Jason Sorenson is going to come forward

2468
03:57:35,580 --> 03:57:37,320
in front of the side and force with them,

2469
03:57:37,320 --> 03:57:38,780
sourcing your recognized.

2470
03:57:39,800 --> 03:57:41,200
All right, thank you, Mayor, and good afternoon.

2471
03:57:41,380 --> 03:57:42,880
Commissioners, this next case is a future

2472
03:57:42,880 --> 03:57:44,560
land use map and then the end rezoning.

2473
03:57:44,600 --> 03:57:46,520
The request is to go from parks and recreation

2474
03:57:46,520 --> 03:57:48,860
open space to medium density residential.

2475
03:57:49,600 --> 03:57:52,560
And the rezoning would be from R1A to R3 restricted.

2476
03:57:52,800 --> 03:57:55,460
The property is located at 870 North Hastings Street

2477
03:57:55,460 --> 03:57:57,840
in District 6, and the proposal is Senior Housing

2478
03:57:57,840 --> 03:57:59,420
Multifamily Units.

2479
03:58:00,020 --> 03:58:01,700
Again, the property is in District 6.

2480
03:58:03,100 --> 03:58:05,600
This was the original boundary of the property.

2481
03:58:05,780 --> 03:58:08,940
The overall site is the currently the YNCA parcel,

2482
03:58:09,760 --> 03:58:12,080
and they would be purchasing the portion in the back

2483
03:58:12,080 --> 03:58:13,080
that is undeveloped.

2484
03:58:13,100 --> 03:58:14,360
This was the original boundary.

2485
03:58:14,500 --> 03:58:18,000
It's actually going to shrink by 1.24 acres,

2486
03:58:18,480 --> 03:58:21,680
so to go from 7.93 acres to 6.69 acres.

2487
03:58:22,320 --> 03:58:25,260
So what would be yielded by this instead of 158 units,

2488
03:58:25,320 --> 03:58:26,780
would be 133 units.

2489
03:58:29,590 --> 03:58:32,350
So the current feature land use is parks and recreation open space

2490
03:58:32,350 --> 03:58:38,910
in the proposed future land use as medium density residential, the current zoning R1A, and

2491
03:58:38,910 --> 03:58:44,730
the proposed zoning R3 restricted. Again, this is an aerial of the subject. Property access

2492
03:58:44,730 --> 03:58:49,370
will be provided through the YNCA site through an access easement.

2493
03:58:52,290 --> 03:58:53,830
457 public hearing notices

2494
03:58:53,830 --> 03:58:58,350
were sent to an area extending beyond 900 feet from the subject parcel. Today we have received

2495
03:58:58,350 --> 03:59:03,090
two responses in opposition and non-infavor. Those in opposition had a concern for perceived

2496
03:59:03,090 --> 03:59:07,310
property value impacts incompatibility in the desire to see a park instead.

2497
03:59:08,030 --> 03:59:11,990
A community meeting was held on November 6th, 2023 with seven residents and attendance

2498
03:59:11,990 --> 03:59:17,330
who expressed concern for access and making sure the project would remain for those age

2499
03:59:17,330 --> 03:59:21,910
55 and over which it will, because we do have a restriction as part of the rezoning that

2500
03:59:21,910 --> 03:59:26,450
would require that it before senior adults in no school aged children.

2501
03:59:27,310 --> 03:59:31,130
At the Planning and Zoning Commission hearing, there were no speakers, planning and zoning

2502
03:59:31,130 --> 03:59:34,490
commission and local planning agencies recommending that the board.

2503
03:59:34,770 --> 03:59:38,310
Make a finding of consistency with the conference of plan and approve the future

2504
03:59:38,310 --> 03:59:42,810
land use map amendment the associated ordinance in the rezoning subject to one restriction

2505
03:59:42,810 --> 03:59:44,670
staff is available for any questions.

2506
03:59:47,050 --> 03:59:52,410
All right, is the applicant on this item present, if so would you like to come forward

2507
03:59:52,410 --> 03:59:59,970
all for any comments. Okay, I don't see anyone. All right, are there?

2508
04:00:00,020 --> 04:00:05,520
Members of the public present, who should be heard on this item, we have one speaker card to the side of Mayor.

2509
04:00:07,200 --> 04:00:07,600
Speaker?

2510
04:00:10,780 --> 04:00:11,080
All right.

2511
04:00:11,480 --> 04:00:12,280
Chris Burke, Cameron.

2512
04:00:18,460 --> 04:00:23,180
Okay, we can't really hear you, but are you saying that you're not here to speak on this item?

2513
04:00:23,440 --> 04:00:27,760
No, they're in the speakers for this item, this project.

2514
04:00:31,450 --> 04:00:31,750
Okay.

2515
04:00:33,890 --> 04:00:36,570
You can do it afterwards. You can go to the mic if you have a question.

2516
04:00:36,570 --> 04:00:37,590
Good

2517
04:00:46,260 --> 04:00:51,000
afternoon. I just want to know, is this going to take over the why?

2518
04:00:51,640 --> 04:00:54,060
Okay, sir.

2519
04:00:54,060 --> 04:00:56,220
I put it going back from the why.

2520
04:00:56,500 --> 04:00:56,840
Thank you sir.

2521
04:00:57,320 --> 04:00:58,220
That's what I need to know.

2522
04:00:58,420 --> 04:01:00,060
We need your name and your address.

2523
04:01:01,160 --> 04:01:03,220
My name is John Taylor.

2524
04:01:03,240 --> 04:01:05,860
I met 985 North John Street.

2525
04:01:05,940 --> 04:01:08,340
All I know, Florida 3208.

2526
04:01:09,300 --> 04:01:09,340
Okay.

2527
04:01:10,920 --> 04:01:13,580
So your one question was,

2528
04:01:13,680 --> 04:01:16,000
were the why be developing the project?

2529
04:01:16,240 --> 04:01:17,440
What are they building their homes

2530
04:01:17,440 --> 04:01:19,060
that they're going to take over the why?

2531
04:01:19,320 --> 04:01:20,820
OK, we're the one that continues.

2532
04:01:23,740 --> 04:01:27,200
In the back of my house, I have a watercolor,

2533
04:01:27,720 --> 04:01:30,380
a radish drainage, go to a little lake back there,

2534
04:01:31,180 --> 04:01:32,320
which nobody ever cleaned.

2535
04:01:32,380 --> 04:01:33,460
I've been keeping it up.

2536
04:01:33,640 --> 04:01:35,720
So I just want to know that they're going to come

2537
04:01:35,720 --> 04:01:37,500
all the way on my property or not.

2538
04:01:37,800 --> 04:01:38,180
Thank you.

2539
04:01:38,900 --> 04:01:39,380
OK.

2540
04:01:41,670 --> 04:01:42,010
All right.

2541
04:01:42,010 --> 04:01:48,390
Do we have any other members of the public present who wish to be heard on this item?

2542
04:01:51,430 --> 04:02:05,690
Okay, so with that then, I'm going to ask the applicant to come back or represent it as the applicant to kind of respond to the questions that Mr. Taylor asked.

2543
04:02:05,690 --> 04:02:07,870
Yeah, good afternoon, Mayor.

2544
04:02:07,930 --> 04:02:08,390
Good afternoon.

2545
04:02:09,210 --> 04:02:10,850
I'm Rick Belldocky with Abcon.

2546
04:02:10,950 --> 04:02:20,410
I'm the applicant and agent for the property or the app for the developer, Wendover, who was represented today by Ryan Bonweller in the audience.

2547
04:02:20,930 --> 04:02:28,710
Sorry, I missed the first time to get called up, but we reviewed the staff report and have no comments and agree with the recommendation.

2548
04:02:30,450 --> 04:02:32,890
The YMCA will remain open.

2549
04:02:33,710 --> 04:02:48,630
But in his other question, I'm not sure I have the answer to at this time, I mean, we will obviously be required to maintain all buffers and setbacks for organic code adjacent to residential property.

2550
04:02:50,370 --> 04:03:00,490
and presently the, the, the, why owners of Lamb but will be selling the land of the land of the LB.

2551
04:03:01,030 --> 04:03:08,570
Will be selling the land and the, and 10 is for the, why to remain open.

2552
04:03:09,110 --> 04:03:09,150
Correct.

2553
04:03:09,150 --> 04:03:16,090
And there'll be an easement that will allow access to the rear of the YMCA's property.

2554
04:03:16,090 --> 04:03:25,290
And the other part of Mr. Martin, Mr. Taylor's question was, I guess, where there's some type

2555
04:03:25,290 --> 04:03:34,470
of drainage element there that butts his property, how is that going to impact him and

2556
04:03:34,470 --> 04:03:41,630
will the new owner and the developer be responsible for maintaining that.

2557
04:03:41,630 --> 04:03:46,590
He says that he's the one been maintained and then a cleaning it out.

2558
04:03:48,770 --> 04:03:56,190
I guess I'm not sure what drainage facility he's referring to any existing drainage facility

2559
04:03:56,190 --> 04:04:01,330
that's permitted or unpermitted that's functioning will need to be maintained.

2560
04:04:02,350 --> 04:04:07,950
As a result of the water management district permit that we will have to get, we'll not

2561
04:04:07,950 --> 04:04:10,350
be able to impact the adjacent properties.

2562
04:04:10,350 --> 04:04:17,010
we'll have to meet any pre-post requirement and continue runoff wherever it's going now to go there

2563
04:04:17,010 --> 04:04:24,570
afterwards. So we should not be impacting drainage and we'll protect any existing drainage

2564
04:04:24,570 --> 04:04:31,510
features. Okay, and I see your partner is coming forward. Did you want to add something there?

2565
04:04:35,140 --> 04:04:38,960
Good afternoon Ryan Bonnewell. I would never have as a partner. It's one one zero five.

2566
04:04:38,960 --> 04:04:46,940
It's a part of our process here we did go 3PD to identify any classification of wetlands.

2567
04:04:47,060 --> 04:04:51,500
We did identify a couple spots in the wooded area to the west, which we will stay away from.

2568
04:04:51,660 --> 04:04:54,740
And of course, when we come in for permitting, we will coordinate with EPD.

2569
04:04:55,100 --> 04:04:59,980
A quarterly to make sure that all county regulations are met and we do not impact negatively anywhere.

2570
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:24,760
Residents or to the waterway itself. Okay. Thank you very much and since Mr. Taylor is present, Mr. Taylor perhaps at some point you can share your contact information with them so that they can keep you updated since you have some concern there.

2571
04:05:25,980 --> 04:05:32,520
Okay. We do have other questions by members of the board. We're going to start with

2572
04:05:32,520 --> 04:05:33,540
Commissioner Bonilla.

2573
04:05:35,660 --> 04:05:38,720
Oh, by the way, we're going to close the public hearing at this time.

2574
04:05:39,040 --> 04:05:42,780
There were no other speakers, right? No. Okay. That was the last one, Mayor.

2575
04:05:42,800 --> 04:05:45,820
Okay. So we're closing the public hearing, but Commissioner Bonilla.

2576
04:05:46,500 --> 04:05:52,840
So have a question to the why? Yeah. What are you using this property for?

2577
04:05:52,840 --> 04:05:55,440
He's windowed in the way I'm from window over.

2578
04:05:55,680 --> 04:05:56,660
Is it the right here?

2579
04:05:56,760 --> 04:06:01,060
The why is not here, but we are in an agreement and a kind of a mutual partnership.

2580
04:06:01,440 --> 04:06:03,760
So I don't want to speak for them, but I could maybe answer any questions for you.

2581
04:06:04,020 --> 04:06:06,000
Was this property being used for now?

2582
04:06:06,460 --> 04:06:12,040
It was an old baseball field that's become an area of non-use, and so it ultimately becomes

2583
04:06:12,040 --> 04:06:19,760
surplus property, and so their objective was to one capitalize on selling the surplus property

2584
04:06:19,760 --> 04:06:24,700
will also fulfilling a need in the community, which is a affordable housing portion so this

2585
04:06:24,700 --> 04:06:29,580
seemingly is a good fit for their objectives and will also also drive memberships to

2586
04:06:29,580 --> 04:06:31,540
the Lyme CA by the residents as well.

2587
04:06:31,700 --> 04:06:37,960
So we're going to have partnerships and different things we can do collectively with our

2588
04:06:37,960 --> 04:06:40,060
residents and with the remaining Lyme CA property.

2589
04:06:41,980 --> 04:06:49,240
I guess my next question would really be for county staff, mostly Parks and Recs, I'm just

2590
04:06:49,240 --> 04:06:52,540
curious of what our park needs are in the area.

2591
04:06:57,500 --> 04:06:59,560
I am familiar with the area.

2592
04:07:00,320 --> 04:07:01,760
I have been in that wide.

2593
04:07:02,160 --> 04:07:07,040
I think nearby there's a cathlete, a catholic,

2594
04:07:08,480 --> 04:07:13,980
a aerocule school that's there, not in that immediate area.

2595
04:07:14,080 --> 04:07:18,720
Not a lot of recreational space that exists there.

2596
04:07:18,720 --> 04:07:32,900
And for me, I know the Y through meetings with their senior executives, they, as you may recall,

2597
04:07:33,060 --> 04:07:35,540
had some issues with cash flow.

2598
04:07:36,760 --> 04:07:45,960
And hence, you remember the Tangelo Park, YMCA, which now, we have recovered that property,

2599
04:07:45,960 --> 04:07:52,820
invest in to bring it back up. So this is probably a business decision that why it's making

2600
04:07:53,820 --> 04:08:00,660
to invest themselves in this land and since they weren't using it to sounds like to.

2601
04:08:00,660 --> 04:08:01,940
Yes, we're for this purpose.

2602
04:08:02,020 --> 04:08:08,220
And we're leaving the basketball courts and other open space and also relocating the existing playground

2603
04:08:08,220 --> 04:08:13,300
area. So they're going to maintain some of the space back there, but the back portion

2604
04:08:13,300 --> 04:08:15,000
where we're actually going to plan on building,

2605
04:08:15,680 --> 04:08:18,480
I don't think it's utilized by any of the current members.

2606
04:08:18,580 --> 04:08:20,460
I don't know what the base is right now.

2607
04:08:20,880 --> 04:08:21,280
OK,

2608
04:08:24,050 --> 04:08:25,930
the only reason I'm asking is we do have

2609
04:08:25,930 --> 04:08:28,790
a shortage of park space on the county.

2610
04:08:30,570 --> 04:08:32,930
And so I don't know if this was supposed to be.

2611
04:08:33,250 --> 04:08:35,330
Right, though the wise that we were partnering with the wise

2612
04:08:35,330 --> 04:08:37,470
in order for them to provide a service to the county.

2613
04:08:39,650 --> 04:08:43,030
And it just doesn't seem like that's continuing

2614
04:08:43,030 --> 04:08:45,210
because they're a cash full of issues.

2615
04:08:47,090 --> 04:08:50,370
And that particular, I was on the board for the wife

2616
04:08:50,370 --> 04:08:51,590
all the long time.

2617
04:08:52,010 --> 04:08:57,830
That particular wife was independently run.

2618
04:08:58,010 --> 04:09:00,030
It wasn't a county partnership.

2619
04:09:00,030 --> 04:09:03,430
Partnership, that was engaged there.

2620
04:09:03,710 --> 04:09:09,190
It was quite a few seniors who were participating

2621
04:09:09,190 --> 04:09:15,210
And the fitness center there at the Y as well as you.

2622
04:09:17,550 --> 04:09:22,350
So in this case, the plan is for seniors,

2623
04:09:23,730 --> 04:09:26,910
this housing development is for seniors citizen now.

2624
04:09:27,910 --> 04:09:29,150
It should have affordable.

2625
04:09:29,270 --> 04:09:30,970
Yes, it's senior affordable. Absolutely.

2626
04:09:31,730 --> 04:09:33,630
Okay. How many acres is this?

2627
04:09:33,970 --> 04:09:36,810
I think we're going to be using about six plus minus.

2628
04:09:36,810 --> 04:09:44,830
We reduced it from the original 7.9 down at the wise request to leave them with the basketball court and the playground as I mentioned a few minutes ago

2629
04:09:44,830 --> 04:09:50,070
So we have worked on a cyclone and I'll fit within the six acres and not exceed the density allowed.

2630
04:09:50,310 --> 04:09:52,550
So we're confident we'll be able to make that work.

2631
04:09:52,730 --> 04:09:53,090
Okay.

2632
04:09:53,170 --> 04:09:54,450
It's all in my questions.

2633
04:09:55,130 --> 04:09:57,610
I'm sorry to see the, you know, parks based go.

2634
04:09:58,850 --> 04:09:59,110
Yeah.

2635
04:09:59,250 --> 04:09:59,690
Yeah.

2636
04:10:02,320 --> 04:10:03,920
Comission on your rebate.

2637
04:10:04,280 --> 04:10:14,220
Thanks for the update real quick. This is actually, if I may ask, is this similar to the housing project on Rio

2638
04:10:14,220 --> 04:10:20,720
Grand? Are you guys the same company or is this a different company? Because that's a senior

2639
04:10:20,720 --> 04:10:26,220
living that was built there. Do you know? Where's the one on the other?

2640
04:10:26,220 --> 04:10:31,380
Okay, no, I just didn't know, you know the same company as Durham, huh?

2641
04:10:31,380 --> 04:10:32,660
The same company as Durham.

2642
04:10:33,820 --> 04:10:35,660
I'm not, I remember you did the ground break.

2643
04:10:35,660 --> 04:10:36,480
One over property.

2644
04:10:36,500 --> 04:10:38,020
Because it's a really unscathed senior.

2645
04:10:38,020 --> 04:10:38,540
Yeah, that was not.

2646
04:10:38,700 --> 04:10:41,320
Okay, okay, never mind another company.

2647
04:10:41,500 --> 04:10:41,920
Another company.

2648
04:10:42,080 --> 04:10:44,020
So I do, I just want to ask further.

2649
04:10:44,340 --> 04:10:48,820
So I understand you're going to maintain, you're going to keep the basketball courts and so

2650
04:10:48,820 --> 04:10:49,320
forth.

2651
04:10:49,740 --> 04:10:55,300
You said, but this is going to be a 55 and plus would it make more sense to kind of make that

2652
04:10:55,300 --> 04:11:00,360
something more friendly or two individuals who are 55 and over because when I

2653
04:11:00,360 --> 04:11:04,040
think about the reason I was asking about the Rio Grande is that we have a

2654
04:11:04,040 --> 04:11:10,760
beautiful senior plus living it's very upscale very nice but I've noticed the

2655
04:11:10,760 --> 04:11:15,880
things on the property are more to the residents that live there like they have

2656
04:11:15,880 --> 04:11:20,460
the pool with the handicapped entrance and things like that so while green space

2657
04:11:20,460 --> 04:11:26,780
to super important and Barnett Park is very close to this property, just curious to know

2658
04:11:26,780 --> 04:11:32,380
what it makes more sense to have things that are more operable to be used by the residents

2659
04:11:32,380 --> 04:11:33,920
that are expected to live there.

2660
04:11:34,240 --> 04:11:38,200
Sure, so look at this from two different points of view if you would for a second.

2661
04:11:38,340 --> 04:11:40,820
So what we're buying is autonomous from the YMCA.

2662
04:11:40,920 --> 04:11:46,800
The YMCA runs kids programming for sports and things that will still operate there after

2663
04:11:46,800 --> 04:11:51,120
start construction. They're going to use the basketball court. We're not going to own that.

2664
04:11:51,280 --> 04:11:57,220
So that's their property if they have clinic cert teams working out there. My son plays there.

2665
04:11:57,740 --> 04:12:02,700
So that's the place they're going to have those practices. Inside of our envelope, we will have

2666
04:12:02,700 --> 04:12:08,340
our own senior specific amenities with the pool, like you mentioned, with the gym, with the clubhouse.

2667
04:12:08,700 --> 04:12:14,620
So we're going to operate wholly autonomously behind the wine CA. The synergy would come with

2668
04:12:14,620 --> 04:12:19,140
the residents becoming members in a discounted rate or some other way so they can actually

2669
04:12:19,140 --> 04:12:22,680
utilize what's there and why I'm saying a addition to what we're providing inside

2670
04:12:22,680 --> 04:12:23,440
of our property.

2671
04:12:23,720 --> 04:12:26,820
I understand, I mean, that's not my district, so I was just trying to grasp what we're

2672
04:12:26,820 --> 04:12:27,280
going to say.

2673
04:12:27,980 --> 04:12:30,600
Okay, that's all I have.

2674
04:12:31,220 --> 04:12:32,720
Commissioner Gomez Cadero.

2675
04:12:33,260 --> 04:12:33,960
Thank you, Mayor.

2676
04:12:34,980 --> 04:12:41,800
I was reading here in the community meeting summary and the residents were concerned about

2677
04:12:41,800 --> 04:12:49,720
access to the project. Where are they going to go into this facility?

2678
04:12:49,980 --> 04:12:54,880
Sure. So county staff and we worked with them initially said we cannot access off of

2679
04:12:54,880 --> 04:12:58,860
Barry, which is to the south. So we are not planning to utilize Barry for any sort of

2680
04:12:58,860 --> 04:13:04,660
vehicular or pedestrian access. So there is, I believe it's Lake Blanch wrote to the north

2681
04:13:05,320 --> 04:13:10,820
which vends at a 90 degree angle there so we'll have to work on connecting our property to Lake

2682
04:13:10,820 --> 04:13:18,120
Blanch at that turn, basically, which we have not engineered yet, but the wine see as a part of our purchase contract has agreed to give us

2683
04:13:18,120 --> 04:13:22,020
Whatever small segment of the activity we need to make that connection point.

2684
04:13:24,560 --> 04:13:25,840
Okay. Do you need to see the

2685
04:13:26,320 --> 04:13:28,560
Commissioner, do you need to see them map again?

2686
04:13:32,180 --> 04:13:33,730
Okay, so let's see

2687
04:13:34,320 --> 04:13:41,640
You can see where it bends up there. Yeah, so there a little segment between North the basketball court will figure out a way

2688
04:13:41,640 --> 04:13:45,940
there's a 25-foot county easement remaining there we need more than that probably so we'll

2689
04:13:45,940 --> 04:13:49,500
figure out a way to connect and the YMC understands if that's a preferred method for the

2690
04:13:49,500 --> 04:13:51,120
county as well. Okay.

2691
04:13:53,400 --> 04:13:54,920
Okay. Okay, no more questions.

2692
04:13:57,090 --> 04:13:58,130
Commissioner Moore.

2693
04:14:00,580 --> 04:14:01,460
Nice to see you today

2694
04:14:01,460 --> 04:14:08,080
Ryan and I have one of your senior projects and a pop can have someone who lives there. Bricks

2695
04:14:08,080 --> 04:14:14,300
in landing on 13th Street. So the pool is wonderful that the layout is terrific. He's very happy

2696
04:14:14,300 --> 04:14:19,520
there as are most people who stay a lot of here that they don't they don't they don't

2697
04:14:19,520 --> 04:14:26,200
leave so appreciate you coming in this area and I understand that the partnership with

2698
04:14:26,200 --> 04:14:32,920
the Y and probably why this came about I guess it probably is a concern though for which

2699
04:14:32,920 --> 04:14:38,340
doesn't really involve you as more staff level where we we're we're we using this as was

2700
04:14:38,340 --> 04:14:45,000
count of using this as park space or was it purely for the why because we do have a need

2701
04:14:45,000 --> 04:14:48,480
in the Pine Hills area for park space, but that's not Ryan's issue.

2702
04:14:49,280 --> 04:14:52,740
As far as I understand it, our title orchestra should have probably helped property, I don't

2703
04:14:52,740 --> 04:14:58,400
know what kind of relationship or agreement you guys have with them, but it's owned by them

2704
04:14:58,400 --> 04:14:59,660
So, I don't know.

2705
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:03,540
On the side from that, what programmatic use as a county has or not.

2706
04:15:03,960 --> 04:15:09,320
Well, your product is wonderful, but I do agree with some of my colleagues, which is not your issue.

2707
04:15:09,620 --> 04:15:15,060
There would be nice in the panel's area to have some more pocket parks, but it doesn't take away what you're doing and we appreciate

2708
04:15:15,060 --> 04:15:17,420
you're going into this part of the town because it's needed.

2709
04:15:17,800 --> 04:15:19,460
Of course, thank you.

2710
04:15:19,920 --> 04:15:20,100
Okay.

2711
04:15:22,380 --> 04:15:28,240
Mr. Taylor, I do see you. Unfortunately, we have closed the public comment part of the meeting.

2712
04:15:28,240 --> 04:15:29,380
I think he's giving me a call number.

2713
04:15:29,500 --> 04:15:32,620
So what I would encourage you to do, if you have some questions,

2714
04:15:33,460 --> 04:15:37,300
these gentlemen are here, they can answer your specific questions.

2715
04:15:41,660 --> 04:15:46,600
With that, Commissioner Scott, who is the district commissioner

2716
04:15:46,600 --> 04:15:49,080
unfortunately had a health emergency.

2717
04:15:49,860 --> 04:15:51,100
He had not been able to participate.

2718
04:15:53,320 --> 04:15:54,360
So we're entertained in motion.

2719
04:15:54,520 --> 04:15:55,640
So do you read me?

2720
04:15:55,840 --> 04:15:56,360
Second one.

2721
04:15:56,780 --> 04:15:57,240
All right.

2722
04:15:57,240 --> 04:16:04,920
We have a motion by Commissioner Urebe, second by Commissioner Bonilla, and all in favor, say aye.

2723
04:16:04,920 --> 04:16:05,280
Aye.

2724
04:16:05,880 --> 04:16:11,620
Opposed, no motion passes, and it is unanimous.

2725
04:16:12,940 --> 04:16:16,100
So Mr. Taylor, hopefully you got that contact information.

2726
04:16:16,100 --> 04:16:19,820
They will be able to provide you with the answers to your questions.

2727
04:16:21,440 --> 04:16:21,620
All right.

2728
04:16:21,980 --> 04:16:22,820
Thank you all.

2729
04:16:23,080 --> 04:16:27,040
We're going to move to the next item on our agenda for this afternoon.

2730
04:16:28,800 --> 04:16:39,200
and this is item D5 and we're open the public hearing on this item and we're going to have one of the assistant

2731
04:16:39,200 --> 04:16:48,100
county attorneys Mr. Desmond Morelle to come forward to present this item and I believe this is trying to

2732
04:16:48,800 --> 04:16:52,940
Morelle's first opportunity maybe to present to the board of kind of commission is that correct?

2733
04:16:52,940 --> 04:16:54,100
Yes, that is the case.

2734
04:16:54,280 --> 04:16:56,680
Good afternoon, Mayor and commissioners.

2735
04:16:57,820 --> 04:17:00,760
Again, Desmond Morales, Assistant County Attorney.

2736
04:17:01,860 --> 04:17:03,560
Commissioners, the next item before you,

2737
04:17:03,660 --> 04:17:06,660
for your consideration, is an ordinance that seeks to amend

2738
04:17:06,660 --> 04:17:08,900
Chapter 28 of the Orange County Code.

2739
04:17:09,320 --> 04:17:12,700
This portion of the Orange County Code relates to drug sales

2740
04:17:12,700 --> 04:17:14,300
and public nuisance.

2741
04:17:16,380 --> 04:17:18,740
In this presentation, we'll be providing you all

2742
04:17:18,740 --> 04:17:21,500
with a bit of background about the proposed ordinance

2743
04:17:21,500 --> 04:17:27,480
of the current state of the ordinance, the relevant statutory changes, the proposed amendment,

2744
04:17:27,980 --> 04:17:30,320
as well as a summary and a requested action.

2745
04:17:31,940 --> 04:17:36,380
Commissioners, I have Council Austin Moore, who is with the Orange County Sheriff's Office

2746
04:17:36,380 --> 04:17:40,900
today, and I'd like to defer to him to provide a bit of background as to why we're here

2747
04:17:40,900 --> 04:17:43,420
and why we're proposing this particular amendment.

2748
04:17:46,250 --> 04:17:47,390
Thanks, Desmond.

2749
04:17:47,670 --> 04:17:48,490
Good afternoon.

2750
04:17:48,930 --> 04:17:49,510
Mayor, good afternoon.

2751
04:17:49,510 --> 04:17:54,390
commissioners. My name is Austin Moore. I'm general counsel for the Orange County Sheriff's Office and

2752
04:17:54,390 --> 04:18:01,470
just be giving you a brief background about what we're discussing this afternoon. So for years,

2753
04:18:01,790 --> 04:18:08,670
after hours clubs have proliferated in Orange County, Florida. But approximately four years ago,

2754
04:18:08,770 --> 04:18:14,430
three or four years ago, we had just an explosion of these clubs here in the county.

2755
04:18:18,430 --> 04:18:19,050
And so the

2756
04:18:19,050 --> 04:18:28,150
In addition to the explosion of the number of these clubs, it brought with it a criminal element including violent crime.

2757
04:18:28,510 --> 04:18:32,610
We're seeing narcotic sales, rumors of human trafficking.

2758
04:18:32,910 --> 04:18:42,570
So the sheriff made a priority to address these clubs and when the special detail went out to try to tackle these clubs and bring the numbers down.

2759
04:18:42,570 --> 04:18:54,230
What they found was the tools that were at their disposal, or not sufficient to bring these clubs into good behavior.

2760
04:18:54,630 --> 04:19:08,250
And so what he did was he asked our legislative team at the Sheriff's Office to look for legislative solutions that would provide the deputies some better tools to kind of address these clubs.

2761
04:19:08,250 --> 04:19:11,710
And so what we came up with was, number one,

2762
04:19:12,010 --> 04:19:13,710
they made it a

2763
04:19:15,760 --> 04:19:19,180
unlicensed sale of alcohol.

2764
04:19:20,280 --> 04:19:22,500
And so before, it had been a misdemeanor.

2765
04:19:23,020 --> 04:19:27,460
And not surprisingly, when you hand someone a ticket

2766
04:19:27,460 --> 04:19:30,680
for $250 for the unlawful sale of alcohol,

2767
04:19:30,960 --> 04:19:34,420
and they're making $10,000 to $9, $250 ticket

2768
04:19:34,420 --> 04:19:36,380
as a cost of doing business, and they continued,

2769
04:19:36,640 --> 04:19:38,180
they would open up the next night.

2770
04:19:38,180 --> 04:19:43,580
And so we have made this a felony for the unlawful sale of alcohol at these clubs.

2771
04:19:44,040 --> 04:19:48,300
But in addition, members of the Sheriff's legislative team were familiar with the nuisance

2772
04:19:48,300 --> 04:19:50,720
abatement process here in Orange County.

2773
04:19:51,040 --> 04:19:56,740
And so they suggested adding the unlawful sale of alcohol to the list of definitions

2774
04:19:56,740 --> 04:19:59,980
for what can trigger on nuisance abatement.

2775
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:06,800
Action, which could be handled by the county's nuisance abatement board. And so that bill was put forward.

2776
04:20:07,060 --> 04:20:15,080
We had supportive representative banks in here locally, and then on the Senate side, Senator out of Fort Myers.

2777
04:20:16,140 --> 04:20:23,320
Not surprisingly, Orange County isn't the only jurisdiction dealing with after-hours clubs and the issues related to those.

2778
04:20:23,320 --> 04:20:23,900
And

2779
04:20:27,800 --> 04:20:56,280
the governor signed the bill into law on April 10th or April 11th of this year, and it goes into effect on July 1st and luckily the county attorney is recognized that in order for the deputies to take advantage of the nuisance abatement changes, we needed the code, the Orange County code to change to reflect that unlawful sale of alcohol is a triggering event for nuisance abatement action.

2780
04:20:56,280 --> 04:21:03,300
And so that's why we're here this afternoon and Dan appreciate your time and if you have any questions.

2781
04:21:03,520 --> 04:21:04,380
Let me know.

2782
04:21:05,660 --> 04:21:11,460
So, Commissioner, as you'll see, Section 28-103 is up on the presentation overhead.

2783
04:21:12,300 --> 04:21:18,620
And what it does is it explains what the current ordinance states and how it defines the term public nuisance.

2784
04:21:18,620 --> 04:21:27,100
You'll see that all six of these definitions are elements of criminality, which makes this section of the public nuisance statute,

2785
04:21:27,620 --> 04:21:29,600
excuse me, ordinance, particularly unique.

2786
04:21:30,560 --> 04:21:37,040
As Austin stated, during this past legislative session, Governor DeSantis signed Senate Bill 1090 into law.

2787
04:21:37,360 --> 04:21:44,740
And this legislation sought to amend section 562.12, as well as 893.138 of the Florida statute,

2788
04:21:44,740 --> 04:21:50,920
which would revise the punishment for the unlawful sale of alcoholic beverages, as Austin stated,

2789
04:21:51,520 --> 04:21:58,100
but it also provides local governments with the ability to declare public nuisances on any locations

2790
04:21:58,100 --> 04:22:07,240
where the unlawful or unlicensed sale of alcohol has taken place on two or more occasions within a 12-month period.

2791
04:22:08,380 --> 04:22:15,100
And so, you'll see the proposed change down at the bottom of the screen, highlighted as number seven.

2792
04:22:16,460 --> 04:22:25,780
So, we seek to add the definition or expand the definition of public nuisance to include on more than two occasions within a 12 month period,

2793
04:22:26,280 --> 04:22:34,860
as the site of a violation of Florida statute section 562.12, which relates to the unlicensed or unlawful sale of alcoholic beverages.

2794
04:22:36,340 --> 04:22:47,000
So, commissioners, we're looking for an approval of the proposed ordinance and that would update and expand the definition of public nuisance.

2795
04:22:47,320 --> 04:22:49,060
It would also provide an effective date.

2796
04:22:49,800 --> 04:22:56,180
We're also asking that you authorize staff to correct the non-substantial grammatical or scrivener's errors.

2797
04:22:57,240 --> 04:23:01,560
Mayor and commissioners, I do want to highlight that if this item is passed today,

2798
04:23:01,560 --> 04:23:09,880
That is set to go into effect on July 1st, 2024, and that will reflect what is happening at the statutory level with those statutory updates.

2799
04:23:10,660 --> 04:23:13,560
I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.

2800
04:23:14,680 --> 04:23:15,380
All right, standby.

2801
04:23:16,460 --> 04:23:18,760
And that this is an administrative item.

2802
04:23:19,380 --> 04:23:25,160
So I'm driven largely from the work of the sheriff and the county attorney's office.

2803
04:23:25,920 --> 04:23:28,600
I will open it up for public comment.

2804
04:23:28,600 --> 04:23:31,200
at this time, do we have any members of the public present

2805
04:23:31,200 --> 04:23:32,400
who wish to be heard on the side?

2806
04:23:32,780 --> 04:23:34,440
We have no speaker cards with the side of Mayor.

2807
04:23:35,040 --> 04:23:35,240
All right.

2808
04:23:35,500 --> 04:23:40,080
Then we'll close the public comment period of time at this point.

2809
04:23:42,680 --> 04:23:45,040
And we'll go to questions by our commissioners.

2810
04:23:45,380 --> 04:23:45,960
Commissioner Yuribay.

2811
04:23:47,260 --> 04:23:47,960
Hi there.

2812
04:23:48,020 --> 04:23:51,600
I know we've had a chance to have a meeting already.

2813
04:23:52,160 --> 04:23:55,120
And this is very exciting for me, as a share

2814
04:23:55,120 --> 04:23:56,500
for a representative over here.

2815
04:23:56,500 --> 04:24:03,700
I have the OBT corridor, you know, frequent flyers, but as some of my neighbors who are here,

2816
04:24:04,720 --> 04:24:11,200
a couple questions, if I can, ask a little bit more, when we talk about the infringement and

2817
04:24:11,200 --> 04:24:17,060
making this a felony, are we talking about the business owner, the person running the function,

2818
04:24:17,240 --> 04:24:22,380
because you know, we have a lot of rental, like hook allowances and things like that in the area.

2819
04:24:22,800 --> 04:24:25,980
So if you could go a little bit more into detail, and then I have a couple follow-ups,

2820
04:24:25,980 --> 04:24:26,880
if you don't mind.

2821
04:24:28,400 --> 04:24:32,480
Commissioner, so to begin, I want to highlight that the change that we're proposing for our

2822
04:24:32,480 --> 04:24:36,240
local ordinance, specifically refers to that definition of public nuisance.

2823
04:24:36,700 --> 04:24:41,400
I know that we did mention the statutory updates, which it sounds like that is what you

2824
04:24:41,400 --> 04:24:42,580
are referring to.

2825
04:24:43,260 --> 04:24:48,100
I will allow Austin a little bit more on that since it's more in his wheelhouse, and I

2826
04:24:48,100 --> 04:24:51,420
believe he was referencing the uptake from a misdemeanor to a felony.

2827
04:24:51,420 --> 04:24:53,820
So if you want to describe that a bit awesome.

2828
04:24:55,360 --> 04:24:57,280
Yeah, so Commissioner, you raised an interesting point.

2829
04:24:57,440 --> 04:24:59,880
So one of the issues that we have with these.

2830
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:15,600
This is determining who is the violator when we have an infraction. So, the violator for our purposes is the person who is responsible for selling the alcohol. So, sometimes it will be a, that will be the person who is the bartender.

2831
04:25:15,600 --> 04:25:22,840
I know that person will receive the ticket or in this case, once it's upgraded, they'll be arrested for the felony.

2832
04:25:23,880 --> 04:25:31,840
Additionally, we do target the manager or the operator of the facility if that person can be located, which they frequently can't be.

2833
04:25:32,400 --> 04:25:34,840
Okay, and so I know this is going to be odd.

2834
04:25:35,120 --> 04:25:42,400
I have the pleasure of having a great relationship with our sector, police officers, and captain, because we're so popular.

2835
04:25:42,400 --> 04:25:57,440
So I get to meet them and talk to them, but what we're starting to see is, for instance, adult clubs, where they're selling drugs and things like that, we've seen violent trends, very close to residential because we have a lot of heavy commercial there.

2836
04:25:57,440 --> 04:26:09,360
But what we're also seeing, and this is recently is a used carlaught had a party with loud noise in a DJ on OBT and Americana.

2837
04:26:12,240 --> 04:26:19,300
But it's assumed why would anybody be hanging out at a used carlaught if there isn't some of these activities going on.

2838
04:26:19,580 --> 04:26:25,880
But you're starting to see this interconnection of businesses running and things happen and becoming hangouts spots.

2839
04:26:25,880 --> 04:26:32,340
You're almost like, why are people hanging out here at 11 o'clock at night on a Friday or Saturday and things like that?

2840
04:26:32,980 --> 04:26:40,560
So, and I know that when I've spoken to deputies, you guys, they try to go in there, you know, undercover and things like that.

2841
04:26:40,580 --> 04:26:48,500
And there are code names that these businesses now have when people walk in, they'll be like, happy birthday and that means, you know, one thing and things like that.

2842
04:26:48,500 --> 04:26:55,700
So, and I also noticed that the MBI does a lot in this sector too, because of all the activity that goes on.

2843
04:26:55,820 --> 04:27:02,060
And it's like, what can the community also do? Because we see this along Orange Avenue.

2844
04:27:02,440 --> 04:27:08,540
You know, we have a couple of also places that, you know, pony-up to the Belle-Lyle area, where it's constant constant complaint.

2845
04:27:08,660 --> 04:27:14,940
And I know that our staff here has helped us, try to prevent like her licenses and things like that.

2846
04:27:14,940 --> 04:27:19,040
Put no parking, deputies will go and start taking things like that.

2847
04:27:19,100 --> 04:27:23,500
So we're doing everything we can administratively to make life tougher.

2848
04:27:23,920 --> 04:27:26,440
But it just seems like when you guys are going after something,

2849
04:27:26,660 --> 04:27:30,940
it means like they've reinvent or recreate themselves in another way.

2850
04:27:31,080 --> 04:27:32,960
And it's just like, what can we do?

2851
04:27:33,060 --> 04:27:34,820
And then on Golden Robb, the use car lock.

2852
04:27:35,260 --> 04:27:38,400
You know, I mean, excuse me, the car wash, which is a big.

2853
04:27:38,680 --> 04:27:41,660
And she said, just any kind of guidance that you can help us.

2854
04:27:41,660 --> 04:27:46,780
So when we go to community meetings, people know what to do, what they should be, you know,

2855
04:27:46,780 --> 04:27:51,020
we don't want them to get involved clearly, but should they be calling this in immediately,

2856
04:27:51,360 --> 04:27:56,840
should there, you know, if you could offer some guidance because it's just so inconsistent now,

2857
04:27:56,840 --> 04:28:01,540
it's no longer just a club or just a place that they pop up wherever they can.

2858
04:28:02,060 --> 04:28:06,460
So I'll start off by pointing out, I'm the attorney and so the best resource for your questions

2859
04:28:06,460 --> 04:28:13,800
is definitely your sector captain or the special projects deputy, but as it relates to this legislation.

2860
04:28:14,860 --> 04:28:19,320
So we started out seeing these after-hours clubs as clubs that would stay open late.

2861
04:28:19,500 --> 04:28:21,880
And then it started as restaurants that would stay open late.

2862
04:28:22,100 --> 04:28:24,280
And then we saw the hook allowances come in.

2863
04:28:24,520 --> 04:28:27,920
And then we saw auto body shops that would stay open late.

2864
04:28:28,640 --> 04:28:30,660
Or mechanic shops that were open late.

2865
04:28:30,660 --> 04:28:36,360
Because the money is so significant, everyone wants to get into this business.

2866
04:28:36,700 --> 04:28:54,860
And so I know we're here about the county ordinance, but the changing the statute to make it a felony provides the deputies with the opportunity to seek search warrants and have some other tools at their disposal, which they don't have when we have just a misdemeanor charge.

2867
04:28:54,860 --> 04:29:00,620
So to change from a misdemeanor to felony is significant for the deputies when it comes to enforcement.

2868
04:29:01,360 --> 04:29:07,820
So the key is making sure that the deputies know where these locations pop up so that now that we have these additional tools.

2869
04:29:08,160 --> 04:29:10,740
Again, nuisance abatement, the felony charge.

2870
04:29:11,200 --> 04:29:13,640
We can start to address those wherever they pop up.

2871
04:29:13,820 --> 04:29:15,800
Because the money is so good.

2872
04:29:17,000 --> 04:29:19,360
Everyone is trying to get into this business.

2873
04:29:19,360 --> 04:29:25,220
And when would this go into effect and then one last question, it also depends on the prosecution time, too.

2874
04:29:25,620 --> 04:29:30,300
Like, making sure folks are being prosecuted because you arrest them, you have a good case.

2875
04:29:30,780 --> 04:29:37,460
But it also means the State Attorney's Office, because that's what we hear a lot, is it's like, it means nothing.

2876
04:29:37,600 --> 04:29:39,660
So just curious if you can just comment on that, too.

2877
04:29:40,080 --> 04:29:43,180
Yeah, so the effective date is July 1st.

2878
04:29:43,180 --> 04:29:48,780
And with regard to the State Attorney's Office, I know that they prioritize the cases that come to them.

2879
04:29:48,780 --> 04:29:54,080
We send these cases that are misdemeanor charges over to them, so they can handle them accordingly.

2880
04:29:55,440 --> 04:29:59,980
But the beauty of the nuisance abatement action is that the deputies...

2881
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:11,540
And then the Orange County nuisance abatement board are in charge and they have jurisdiction to bring these businesses into compliance. And so on this Thursday, we have four cases going in front of the county's nuisance abatement board.

2882
04:30:12,380 --> 04:30:19,380
There are hundreds of businesses which are being contacted by the Orange County Sheriff's nuisance abatement board team.

2883
04:30:19,380 --> 04:30:26,320
The vast majority of those businesses come into compliance and debate the nuisance and they ask us how to debate the nuisance

2884
04:30:26,320 --> 04:30:30,200
Because they don't want to be in front of the Orange County nuisance abatement board

2885
04:30:30,200 --> 04:30:32,700
So just by changing this

2886
04:30:33,280 --> 04:30:41,060
Definition it's going to give the deputies and the sheriff's office a tool to really bring these nucenses under control

2887
04:30:41,060 --> 04:30:43,420
Well, thank you from from my community

2888
04:30:43,420 --> 04:30:46,820
Very dense area and like I said, you know the area

2889
04:30:46,820 --> 04:30:51,560
This is good. This is good for us so that we can have more teeth behind those things.

2890
04:30:51,980 --> 04:30:53,300
Great work. Thanks.

2891
04:30:53,940 --> 04:30:54,700
Commissioner Buenia.

2892
04:30:55,260 --> 04:31:01,880
Yeah, I'm sorry. You come back up for a second. Repeat that last part that you were just saying.

2893
04:31:02,120 --> 04:31:03,600
I'll show if I understood.

2894
04:31:04,220 --> 04:31:06,460
About the county's nuisance abatement board?

2895
04:31:06,920 --> 04:31:08,540
Yeah. Yeah. And so if it's a felony.

2896
04:31:10,480 --> 04:31:16,120
So the felony section is different than the nuisance abatement.

2897
04:31:16,120 --> 04:31:22,480
And so, but as it relates to the nuisance of Baton Board, the Sheriff's Office, if we become aware of

2898
04:31:23,600 --> 04:31:29,660
activity that's occurring at a business or a residence, and that activity triggers nuisance

2899
04:31:29,660 --> 04:31:29,960
of Baton.

2900
04:31:30,120 --> 04:31:35,400
We go out to the property owner and we say, hey, the activity that's going on in your property

2901
04:31:35,400 --> 04:31:40,060
could subject you to the jurisdiction of the Orange County nuisance of Baton Board, and they

2902
04:31:40,060 --> 04:31:42,740
have certain tools to baton nuisance.

2903
04:31:42,740 --> 04:31:47,520
When we have those conversations with property owners, the overwhelming majority of those

2904
04:31:47,520 --> 04:31:52,040
property owners say, help me abate the news and so I don't have to go in front of the

2905
04:31:52,040 --> 04:31:56,740
Orange County News Encivatement Board and that works in the overwhelming majority of the

2906
04:31:56,740 --> 04:31:57,040
cases.

2907
04:31:57,680 --> 04:32:04,200
So, just by adding this, I'm off a sale of alcohol as one of the triggering events, we are

2908
04:32:04,200 --> 04:32:08,980
able to go to those property owners and say the events happening at your property could

2909
04:32:08,980 --> 04:32:13,020
subject you to the jurisdiction of the Orange County News and Subbatement Board and they say

2910
04:32:13,020 --> 04:32:16,680
all right well then help me abate the news and so I don't have to go in front of that

2911
04:32:17,820 --> 04:32:18,340
board.

2912
04:32:18,660 --> 04:32:22,660
But what does the felony part have to do with those two things?

2913
04:32:22,940 --> 04:32:25,900
The felony has very little to do with that part of it.

2914
04:32:26,160 --> 04:32:32,280
The felony is a tool for deputies when they go out to and they find that someone's evaluation

2915
04:32:32,280 --> 04:32:35,560
of that statute and they've unlawfully sold alcohol.

2916
04:32:35,560 --> 04:32:38,560
Well, that person can now be arrested for a felony.

2917
04:32:39,080 --> 04:32:44,480
In addition, the felony charge allows them to seek search warrants or arrest warrants to

2918
04:32:44,480 --> 04:32:46,780
try to address those issues that those properties.

2919
04:32:48,320 --> 04:32:54,860
Okay, so one of the issues I've had in my district is that we have a business, right?

2920
04:32:56,120 --> 04:33:02,740
And the sheriffs come out, like you've mentioned, they have an issue of who the actual business

2921
04:33:02,740 --> 04:33:08,340
owner is to, you know, cite that person and whatever it is you call it.

2922
04:33:09,480 --> 04:33:14,220
So they arrest the person who's actually doing it, let's say the person who's serving

2923
04:33:14,220 --> 04:33:15,660
the alcohol, right?

2924
04:33:16,400 --> 04:33:22,140
But then the actual person in the background who's running it all, veils them out and they

2925
04:33:22,140 --> 04:33:23,620
come back and they do it again.

2926
04:33:24,260 --> 04:33:28,540
And no one can really find out who's the guy behind the curtain.

2927
04:33:29,960 --> 04:33:31,980
So does a felony help with that?

2928
04:33:31,980 --> 04:33:40,520
The felony doesn't really help with that, but the nuisance abatement change will, because then we go after the property owner and say,

2929
04:33:40,800 --> 04:33:49,120
these violations are happening at your property if they are not abated, then we're going to bring a nuisance abatement board action against the property.

2930
04:33:49,420 --> 04:33:52,560
We don't need to know who's selling the alcohol, we're going against the property.

2931
04:33:53,140 --> 04:34:00,700
How do you know who the property owner is? Is there a problem finding a property owner, whose wife it's a trust trust or something like that?

2932
04:34:00,700 --> 04:34:07,760
So, I'm not aware of any issues that we've had identify in the property owner and getting that person

2933
04:34:08,470 --> 04:34:12,680
getting that person identified for purposes of nuisance evade the board actions.

2934
04:34:13,860 --> 04:34:17,080
Okay, so another question I have is for that property owner.

2935
04:34:20,160 --> 04:34:24,060
What is the benefit for them to get out of the nuisance abatement?

2936
04:34:25,420 --> 04:34:27,960
Because they lose their property, right?

2937
04:34:29,340 --> 04:34:31,600
If they say, if they don't resolve it?

2938
04:34:31,600 --> 04:34:36,360
the property could be shut for a year under nuisance abatement. That's one of the tools. That's

2939
04:34:36,360 --> 04:34:42,920
the most extreme tool that the board has. But more likely what they'll do is they'll require

2940
04:34:42,920 --> 04:34:49,200
them to take certain actions. So we asked them to install cameras. We asked them to hire off duty

2941
04:34:49,200 --> 04:34:54,840
deputies. In addition, there's fines that can be levied against the owners if they're not

2942
04:34:54,840 --> 04:34:59,220
in compliance. And so the jurisdiction of the nuisance abatement board last for a year,

2943
04:34:59,220 --> 04:34:59,960
unless they don't come.

2944
04:35:00,270 --> 04:35:09,410
And so, but they can, the board can mandate that those property honors take specific actions that we know will abate nuisance if they're taken.

2945
04:35:11,010 --> 04:35:23,370
Okay, could there be a situation where someone's just not following the rules, the laws, and the operating, is that possible?

2946
04:35:23,370 --> 04:35:33,590
The time that I've been at the sheriff's office, we've only had one business closed and it was the exact scenario that you mentioned where they weren't complying they weren't complying

2947
04:35:33,590 --> 04:35:39,480
We shut them down and they haven't been open since so they can't even what if they just open anyway

2948
04:35:41,290 --> 04:35:43,540
Luckily we have not been faced with that situation

2949
04:35:44,670 --> 04:35:45,990
And if that happened

2950
04:35:45,990 --> 04:35:51,650
I'm not sure exactly what the I'm sure it's some sort of contempt hearing but I don't know exactly what happens

2951
04:35:51,650 --> 04:35:55,290
But again, we have not been faced with that situation.

2952
04:35:56,670 --> 04:35:57,230
All right, thank you.

2953
04:35:57,270 --> 04:35:59,470
You really helped me understand this a lot better, thanks.

2954
04:36:05,930 --> 04:36:08,450
Desmond, if you're a appropriate person to answer,

2955
04:36:08,710 --> 04:36:12,070
or not, what we didn't talk about whether or not this particular

2956
04:36:12,070 --> 04:36:16,150
ordinance would be effective, countywide, and inclusive

2957
04:36:16,150 --> 04:36:19,750
of other municipalities are just within unincorporated areas.

2958
04:36:20,430 --> 04:36:24,190
And Commissioner, excuse me, Mayor, yes, to answer your question.

2959
04:36:24,190 --> 04:36:33,650
Yes, the same way that the definition already includes all of the counties and municipalities this would also go along with that.

2960
04:36:34,130 --> 04:36:46,550
So, what I can tell you, as a former sheriff, I do recall having to deal with this issue and as a former Orlando chief of police.

2961
04:36:46,550 --> 04:36:50,670
I can remember having to deal with this issue and the city of Orlando as well.

2962
04:36:51,690 --> 04:36:58,510
So I'm glad to hear that this ordinance would be affected both in unincorporated Orange

2963
04:36:58,510 --> 04:37:01,230
County as well as incorporated Orange County.

2964
04:37:02,490 --> 04:37:08,190
And my experience here is that sometimes what we found was that these establishments

2965
04:37:08,190 --> 04:37:15,350
while staying open late, not only were unlawfully selling and dispensing alcohol, but

2966
04:37:15,350 --> 04:37:24,850
They were friends for all types of unlawful adult entertainment happening within them, and hence,

2967
04:37:25,010 --> 04:37:28,430
the Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation, sometimes were getting robbed.

2968
04:37:28,730 --> 04:37:34,750
And so it is an additional tool to make the neighborhoods and the communities safer.

2969
04:37:35,670 --> 04:37:39,590
So with that, it's my privilege to move approval.

2970
04:37:39,970 --> 04:37:41,630
Second you revisit action.

2971
04:37:42,510 --> 04:37:42,690
All right.

2972
04:37:42,690 --> 04:37:48,630
we have a motion and a second. All the favourites will be known by saying aye. Aye. Opposed

2973
04:37:48,630 --> 04:37:58,100
no. Motion passes and it is unanimous. Thank you all. All right. Thank you very much. All right

2974
04:37:58,100 --> 04:38:06,600
now we'll move to the next item on our agenda. And this is item D6. And we're open to public hearing

2975
04:38:06,600 --> 04:38:12,560
on this item and Mr. Jason Sorenson. Our chief plan is going to frame this item and with that

2976
04:38:12,560 --> 04:38:17,240
Mr. Soreson, you recognize, he'll be teeing up

2977
04:38:17,240 --> 04:38:19,500
of powerful presentation here.

2978
04:38:20,860 --> 04:38:21,560
All right, thank you, Mayor.

2979
04:38:22,200 --> 04:38:26,060
This next item is called the Zoning and Progress Ordnance.

2980
04:38:27,380 --> 04:38:30,760
So why we're here today is during the April 23rd

2981
04:38:30,760 --> 04:38:34,160
board hearing staff was directed to move forward with this.

2982
04:38:34,160 --> 04:38:36,860
What it is, is it is a temporary suspension

2983
04:38:37,400 --> 04:38:39,280
of the acceptance of new applications

2984
04:38:39,280 --> 04:38:41,560
for comprehensive plan text and map amendments

2985
04:38:43,900 --> 04:38:46,200
So there's several benefits to this.

2986
04:38:46,260 --> 04:38:48,860
One that allows staff to spend time on vision 2050,

2987
04:38:49,620 --> 04:38:52,240
which is anticipated to be adopted in September,

2988
04:38:53,080 --> 04:38:55,660
it also prevents applicants to submit something

2989
04:38:55,660 --> 04:38:58,960
that we're just not able to process prior to vision 2050

2990
04:38:58,960 --> 04:39:02,240
being adopted and also provide staff more time

2991
04:39:02,240 --> 04:39:04,660
to focus on processing the existing application

2992
04:39:04,660 --> 04:39:06,860
which are under a time crunch to get adopted

2993
04:39:06,860 --> 04:39:09,420
or approved prior to vision 2050 adoption.

2994
04:39:11,400 --> 04:39:15,660
So, these are some of the things that the ordinance will do and what it won't do.

2995
04:39:15,760 --> 04:39:20,440
It has no effect on applications that were submitted prior to the suspension, so what

2996
04:39:20,440 --> 04:39:24,600
we have in process or what we will have in process prior to the effective data of May 28th

2997
04:39:24,600 --> 04:39:26,460
will continue to be processed.

2998
04:39:27,160 --> 04:39:32,540
Development approvals occurring within certain areas will not be included within the suspension,

2999
04:39:32,740 --> 04:39:38,020
so those areas are forizing West, Lake Pickett, Avalon Park, Innovation Way in the I-Dry

3000
04:39:38,020 --> 04:39:43,040
districts. Lastly, plant development change determinations will be unaffected. So if you already

3001
04:39:43,040 --> 04:39:47,060
have your PD zoning, you can submit for change determination.

3002
04:39:49,720 --> 04:39:51,260
And lastly, the ordinance

3003
04:39:51,260 --> 04:39:55,900
is set to expire six months from the effect of date, unless early repealed by the board.

3004
04:39:57,890 --> 04:39:59,970
So I just want to make clear, this is a suspension knot.

3005
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:11,400
Any development, more TORM, so these are some of the things that make the differentiation. The suspension is temporary in nature. The suspension does not affect applications that were received by the county prior to the effect of day of the ordinance.

3006
04:40:12,420 --> 04:40:18,560
And development processes, not describing the ordinance will continue. This includes building permits, along with development in the exception areas.

3007
04:40:20,460 --> 04:40:28,580
So there were a couple drafts floating around. There was some changes at the Planning and Zoning Commission, a draft that was updated and provided to them.

3008
04:40:28,580 --> 04:40:33,320
So these are some of the changes just to make clear the version that will be decided up

3009
04:40:33,320 --> 04:40:33,840
on today.

3010
04:40:33,980 --> 04:40:36,100
So there were some grammatical and editing cleanups.

3011
04:40:36,360 --> 04:40:40,280
We clarified that applications received prior to the effect of date will not be affected.

3012
04:40:41,160 --> 04:40:45,220
Clarified that existing planned developments will be unaffected and clarified the master

3013
04:40:45,220 --> 04:40:46,820
plan communities that are exempt.

3014
04:40:47,220 --> 04:40:51,140
And lastly, change the effect of date from May 21 to May 28th.

3015
04:40:51,140 --> 04:40:54,860
This is the actual very detailed list of all the changes just for the record.

3016
04:40:55,320 --> 04:40:57,740
I'm not going to go through this, I just summarize all these changes.

3017
04:40:57,740 --> 04:41:05,600
So, the local planning agency is recommending that this be approved and to allow staff to correct any substantial grammatical or

3018
04:41:05,600 --> 04:41:07,820
stravener's errors and that completes my presentation.

3019
04:41:10,990 --> 04:41:11,190
All right.

3020
04:41:11,690 --> 04:41:12,210
Thank you.

3021
04:41:12,290 --> 04:41:16,290
This is another administrative item being brought forward.

3022
04:41:16,350 --> 04:41:17,630
I'm honestly by staff.

3023
04:41:18,550 --> 04:41:21,790
Do we have members of the public president who should be heard on this item?

3024
04:41:23,510 --> 04:41:23,710
Okay.

3025
04:41:24,010 --> 04:41:24,890
We have one mayor.

3026
04:41:24,890 --> 04:41:29,630
We have one person, if he had not completed the speaker's car,

3027
04:41:30,010 --> 04:41:34,430
you can do that afterwards so you can come forward to the microphone at this point.

3028
04:41:36,140 --> 04:41:37,720
Well, we'll get it corrected.

3029
04:41:38,620 --> 04:41:39,280
Christopher Cameron.

3030
04:41:41,300 --> 04:41:44,520
And please give us your name and your address for the record, please.

3031
04:41:46,550 --> 04:41:47,810
Well, actually I have 11 addresses.

3032
04:41:49,070 --> 04:41:51,250
Well, the one where you get your mail.

3033
04:41:51,250 --> 04:41:53,150
Let me find out which one.

3034
04:41:53,250 --> 04:41:54,490
Which one I put on the card.

3035
04:41:56,390 --> 04:41:58,930
I just got 30 properties over here in the state of Florida.

3036
04:41:59,850 --> 04:42:01,150
So, Hastings.

3037
04:42:01,290 --> 04:42:01,770
Which one?

3038
04:42:05,960 --> 04:42:07,140
It's Christopher Cameron.

3039
04:42:08,100 --> 04:42:09,160
Glad to be in your community.

3040
04:42:10,720 --> 04:42:14,300
What this is going to do is it's going to stop the development of 30 properties.

3041
04:42:14,560 --> 04:42:19,340
I just acquired that, that are going to be used for Sierra living facilities.

3042
04:42:21,360 --> 04:42:22,960
So, I need two weeks.

3043
04:42:23,800 --> 04:42:29,320
And if I could get that, I could meet your deadline, but that's.

3044
04:42:29,400 --> 04:42:36,120
Okay, so I'm going to ask you to address your comments to us at this point.

3045
04:42:36,960 --> 04:42:38,440
Well, I wasn't expecting to speak.

3046
04:42:38,620 --> 04:42:42,780
I just flew in yesterday and found out about this one an hour ago.

3047
04:42:44,260 --> 04:42:46,320
But yeah, I just got these properties.

3048
04:42:47,360 --> 04:42:50,620
And I want to turn them into hospice facilities and residential assisted living facilities.

3049
04:42:51,280 --> 04:42:54,060
But for me to apply, I need at least two weeks.

3050
04:42:55,680 --> 04:42:59,420
So this passing next week on Tuesday, it's not going to work for me.

3051
04:43:00,560 --> 04:43:02,360
So yeah, this is going to affect a lot of people's employment.

3052
04:43:04,380 --> 04:43:06,760
I don't know if we could actually prolong it.

3053
04:43:07,180 --> 04:43:10,820
If we could actually prolong it, I will have 40 employees.

3054
04:43:11,780 --> 04:43:14,580
If I can't, it's going to hold it back until October.

3055
04:43:15,660 --> 04:43:25,140
So, okay, I think I understand the questions, do you have to direct your questions to me?

3056
04:43:25,560 --> 04:43:29,900
Well, I actually have a question if we have the questions that I have to direct.

3057
04:43:30,240 --> 04:43:32,780
Yeah, it's going to impact the community.

3058
04:43:33,500 --> 04:43:37,640
A lot of people are going to be without jobs, not to be able to get this resolved on time.

3059
04:43:38,420 --> 04:43:40,880
So, I just need an extension.

3060
04:43:41,800 --> 04:43:48,360
I agree with it, everything he has is about a point, but the time he is horrible.

3061
04:43:51,180 --> 04:43:53,000
Let me understand what you're saying.

3062
04:43:53,780 --> 04:43:56,360
Have you already applied?

3063
04:43:57,340 --> 04:43:59,100
I just found out about it an hour ago.

3064
04:43:59,220 --> 04:44:00,860
You have not applied.

3065
04:44:04,740 --> 04:44:06,800
So we'll come back to you.

3066
04:44:06,960 --> 04:44:08,560
I have to try to respond to your questions.

3067
04:44:16,050 --> 04:44:19,470
Do we have one of the members of the public present who should be heard on this item?

3068
04:44:20,250 --> 04:44:20,450
All right.

3069
04:44:21,070 --> 04:44:25,810
And if you have not filled out a speaker card, then we'll ask you to do so.

3070
04:44:26,430 --> 04:44:29,170
Also, Mr. Balmula, do we have his card?

3071
04:44:29,790 --> 04:44:30,230
We do not.

3072
04:44:30,710 --> 04:44:35,290
Okay. So name and address for the record.

3073
04:44:35,650 --> 04:44:38,670
If you have not filled out a card, would you please do so?

3074
04:44:38,830 --> 04:44:40,790
I'm not filled out a card.

3075
04:44:41,290 --> 04:44:42,530
My name is David Freylich.

3076
04:44:42,530 --> 04:44:55,820
I live at 8257 Breeze Cove Lane in Orlando 32819 and I'm a former head of the Orange County Urban Design Commission

3077
04:44:55,820 --> 04:44:59,980
when it existed, shouldn't say head member, I get it.

3078
04:45:00,640 --> 04:45:04,080
Once I was a member, I felt I was the head of it anyway.

3079
04:45:07,460 --> 04:45:27,680
As an architect and working for developers over the years, I would say I do everything I can to not slow anything down. And this sounds like it's trying to slow something down. And no matter how admirable it may be for the need for that slow slowing.

3080
04:45:30,020 --> 04:45:35,880
As an entity on behalf of the people, I'm not sure the people benefit that much, just my personal opinion.

3081
04:45:38,200 --> 04:45:38,440
All right.

3082
04:45:38,500 --> 04:45:39,740
Thank you Mr. Fraley.

3083
04:45:42,920 --> 04:45:50,060
Do we have other numbers out of public who wish to be heard and Mr. Fraley don't forget to fill out that speaker information.

3084
04:45:50,900 --> 04:45:52,340
Do we have any of us?

3085
04:45:52,940 --> 04:45:54,360
We have no other speaker cards there.

3086
04:45:55,080 --> 04:45:55,340
All right.

3087
04:45:55,340 --> 04:45:59,960
So I'm going to, at this point, we'll close the public hearing,

3088
04:46:02,120 --> 04:46:04,220
and I'm going to ask Mr.

3089
04:46:04,260 --> 04:46:11,780
Sonson to come back and let's see if we can address the questions raised by Mr. Cameron.

3090
04:46:14,020 --> 04:46:18,800
Mayor, in discussions with the speaker, it does sound like the applications of the

3091
04:46:19,840 --> 04:46:28,380
He did speak to somebody in staff and he is aware of vision 2050 and sounds like vision 2050 would fix the situation for him and a lot of the instances

3092
04:46:28,380 --> 04:46:39,180
but he said that he still would like to submit to get those process so that it's a quicker route for him to be able to submit and he said he's not able to submit by May 28th because it will be out of town

3093
04:46:39,180 --> 04:46:42,800
So that's kind of the summary of it. What happened to work with him?

3094
04:46:43,700 --> 04:46:50,580
It's a tough situation, because even if we do set to the application, sometimes there's no guarantee that we'll be able to process him in time.

3095
04:46:50,680 --> 04:46:58,480
We've already been telling applicants that they're submitting at their own, they just have to be aware that we may not be able to process their application in time.

3096
04:46:58,600 --> 04:47:07,360
If it requires a conservation area of determination, if it requires a community meeting, those things can take time and we have the clock, you know, the clock is ticking in order to get things approved prior to vision 2050.

3097
04:47:08,100 --> 04:47:15,320
So, May 28th, we can work with him on getting those applications filled out if he needs help on that.

3098
04:47:15,500 --> 04:47:17,520
But that's kind of the summary of the situation.

3099
04:47:18,440 --> 04:47:18,740
All right.

3100
04:47:19,220 --> 04:47:20,640
I got it.

3101
04:47:21,400 --> 04:47:24,540
With that Commissioner Bonilla, do you have further questions?

3102
04:47:25,880 --> 04:47:26,240
Yeah.

3103
04:47:28,040 --> 04:47:31,820
I was just thinking about it because this is a comprehensive plan amendments.

3104
04:47:32,080 --> 04:47:33,160
I heard it's a rezoning.

3105
04:47:33,380 --> 04:47:35,120
So is it a rezoning or a comprehensive agreement?

3106
04:47:35,120 --> 04:47:39,100
So, it's three things, a conference of plan, map, and text amendments,

3107
04:47:39,460 --> 04:47:41,000
resellings, and special exceptions.

3108
04:47:41,380 --> 04:47:44,140
Okay, but vision 2050 goes through, then he automatically gets

3109
04:47:44,140 --> 04:47:45,640
that comp plan change anyway.

3110
04:47:46,440 --> 04:47:48,180
We'd have to look through those.

3111
04:47:48,860 --> 04:47:51,120
It's my understanding he said that vision 2050 would

3112
04:47:51,860 --> 04:47:52,660
allow him to do it.

3113
04:47:52,660 --> 04:47:54,540
Just depends on where it is and stuff.

3114
04:47:54,700 --> 04:47:55,060
Correct.

3115
04:47:55,060 --> 04:47:56,900
And what the future plans are for that property.

3116
04:47:57,120 --> 04:47:57,900
Exactly, yes.

3117
04:47:59,280 --> 04:48:01,580
Yeah, I was going to, well, usually these processes,

3118
04:48:01,960 --> 04:48:04,900
because I was just thinking, yeah, this is probably going to be

3119
04:48:04,900 --> 04:48:10,960
kind of like growing pains but not growing, but not growing, but changing. And it usually takes

3120
04:48:10,960 --> 04:48:14,760
six months for this process anyway, which is the six months suspension, so it just seems

3121
04:48:14,760 --> 04:48:20,320
like this is how long would take anyway. And once it's done, they're going to get that change

3122
04:48:20,320 --> 04:48:24,880
anyway. So it seems like it doesn't really make a difference anyway.

3123
04:48:29,140 --> 04:48:34,880
Yeah, so it kind of like

3124
04:48:34,880 --> 04:48:36,600
question, too, about the exceptions.

3125
04:48:37,360 --> 04:48:40,200
I think I may know the answer, but I'm going to ask the question anyway.

3126
04:48:40,860 --> 04:48:43,300
Why is there an exception on the lake picket one?

3127
04:48:45,500 --> 04:48:50,840
So the exceptions are for those areas that already have a designation

3128
04:48:50,840 --> 04:48:54,080
that would essentially be unaffected by Vision 2050,

3129
04:48:54,280 --> 04:48:56,560
horizon-wise, like picket, I drive innovation way.

3130
04:48:57,080 --> 04:49:01,040
So that's why it's included because it's one of those special intended areas

3131
04:49:01,680 --> 04:49:03,700
that are going to be unaffected by Vision-wise.

3132
04:49:03,700 --> 04:49:09,080
So my question in Lake Pickett is that we are changing it, though, because we're taking out those properties.

3133
04:49:13,880 --> 04:49:19,620
But then are those properties that are being taken out of the map exempted?

3134
04:49:19,740 --> 04:49:21,880
That's where I'm kind of confused on that one.

3135
04:49:22,180 --> 04:49:26,020
I understand the other ones aren't changing, but the Lake Pickett one is.

3136
04:49:26,020 --> 04:49:27,060
So it's a bit confusing.

3137
04:49:27,060 --> 04:49:33,920
So, Commissioner, as the board gave us the direction to make the amendments both text and

3138
04:49:33,920 --> 04:49:39,420
map amendments for the Lake Picket Study area, we are moving forward with those as part

3139
04:49:39,420 --> 04:49:42,900
of the adoption packet of vision 2050.

3140
04:49:44,340 --> 04:49:51,520
The only reason why you see Lake Picket as part of the list of communities there is consistent

3141
04:49:51,520 --> 04:49:56,800
with the answer that Jason just gave, it's part of the intended sector, the existing policies

3142
04:49:56,800 --> 04:49:59,980
and adopted regulations for those.

3143
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:10,880
Those communities that are already adopted within that study area, including the grow, would be able to continue to apply for change determinations or any other type of application,

3144
04:50:13,100 --> 04:50:20,040
with the understanding that we have direction from the board to make the amendments to the northern community of like ticket study area.

3145
04:50:22,470 --> 04:50:25,430
Just curious if anyone's as confused as I am.

3146
04:50:27,140 --> 04:50:27,460
No.

3147
04:50:28,800 --> 04:50:29,440
All right.

3148
04:50:30,740 --> 04:50:31,180
Okay.

3149
04:50:31,540 --> 04:50:34,060
So I'll just throw out a scenario because I...

3150
04:50:34,060 --> 04:50:36,460
So I'm in a corner lake.

3151
04:50:37,520 --> 04:50:38,480
And I feel familiar with the...

3152
04:50:38,480 --> 04:50:38,620
Yeah.

3153
04:50:39,380 --> 04:50:40,320
Okay. You have corner lake.

3154
04:50:40,420 --> 04:50:42,320
Let's say one of those properties north of corner...

3155
04:50:42,320 --> 04:50:44,160
On the north side of corner lake.

3156
04:50:45,380 --> 04:50:47,900
Which is being taken out.

3157
04:50:48,340 --> 04:50:49,880
It says, oh, I want to, you know,

3158
04:50:50,000 --> 04:50:52,300
throw in a complainment of something.

3159
04:50:53,000 --> 04:50:57,340
during this, but they're exempted, but they're being taken out of the lake pickets.

3160
04:50:57,500 --> 04:50:59,500
They won't be applying for the lake picket.

3161
04:51:00,060 --> 04:51:02,200
They be applying, let's say, for something else.

3162
04:51:03,220 --> 04:51:04,300
Would they be able to?

3163
04:51:05,080 --> 04:51:07,440
Because they're exempted from this.

3164
04:51:09,910 --> 04:51:13,750
I think the current, so, okay, let me ask the question this way.

3165
04:51:14,330 --> 04:51:19,070
Is the exemption of the map on the map?

3166
04:51:19,070 --> 04:51:19,490
23.

3167
04:51:19,490 --> 04:51:27,130
that we had said we want, that's going to be changing too, or is it on the map that it was before?

3168
04:51:27,790 --> 04:51:42,910
So Commissioner, you have not acted on the request. The effective vote on the changes will only happen during the adoption of vision 2050, so that has not happened.

3169
04:51:42,910 --> 04:51:50,030
So, we would continue to receive applications within what has been adopted by the Board of

3170
04:51:50,030 --> 04:51:51,130
County Commissioners.

3171
04:51:53,110 --> 04:51:53,850
So, the grow?

3172
04:51:54,310 --> 04:51:54,570
Yes.

3173
04:51:55,810 --> 04:52:02,090
But the other properties outside of the grow, and I'm just any of them, it's not the, you know,

3174
04:52:02,230 --> 04:52:05,770
Lake Pickett North, could be one of the others, like I said, you know, that just happened

3175
04:52:05,770 --> 04:52:08,810
to be thrown into the map that isn't part of the grow or are sustaining.

3176
04:52:09,470 --> 04:52:13,870
What if they were like, hey, I wanted to throw an application, like, would they be exempted?

3177
04:52:13,870 --> 04:52:20,430
So that particular case that you're defining right now would have to be a PDRP which is a

3178
04:52:20,430 --> 04:52:25,190
planned development regulating plan within that area that we're now modifying.

3179
04:52:25,950 --> 04:52:31,910
So those particular properties would have to request a PD application for that.

3180
04:52:32,450 --> 04:52:37,270
But they don't have a complaint amendment. Correct. Correct. So that would be the PD.

3181
04:52:37,690 --> 04:52:41,590
Right. They have a conceptual regulating plan which is the...

3182
04:52:41,590 --> 04:52:43,630
They're not part of that.

3183
04:52:43,830 --> 04:52:46,250
Then I'm confused about the properties that you're referring to,

3184
04:52:46,530 --> 04:52:48,890
because once that are within the study area,

3185
04:52:48,950 --> 04:52:52,730
north of corner lakes, they don't have a future land use.

3186
04:52:52,750 --> 04:52:54,470
Correct, and that's the application.

3187
04:52:54,710 --> 04:52:59,450
It would be a plan development to change the existing current

3188
04:52:59,450 --> 04:53:02,830
future land use to LP the late picket future land use.

3189
04:53:03,390 --> 04:53:05,990
That would be what we would be receiving and reviewing,

3190
04:53:06,830 --> 04:53:09,030
but in this particular case, that particular property

3191
04:53:09,030 --> 04:53:17,030
falls within the area in question, which is we do not have, you know, it is an area

3192
04:53:17,030 --> 04:53:23,550
that is under review right now in terms of the text and map that applies for that application

3193
04:53:23,550 --> 04:53:24,650
to take place.

3194
04:53:25,130 --> 04:53:30,890
So, because it's so confusing, we're changing the map, how about we not accept exempt it?

3195
04:53:32,460 --> 04:53:37,380
I mean, the growth already have all of their future land use, right?

3196
04:53:37,460 --> 04:53:38,640
They're all set, aren't they?

3197
04:53:38,640 --> 04:53:45,720
They are, so they have their adopted future land use and regulating planning places.

3198
04:53:45,800 --> 04:53:49,440
So they don't have to do any more complex amendments of future land use maps.

3199
04:53:50,120 --> 04:53:52,980
So why do we have to exempt them now?

3200
04:53:53,060 --> 04:53:55,140
That might be a legal question.

3201
04:53:57,720 --> 04:54:02,540
I think the short answer is that you have not adopted vision 2050 yet.

3202
04:54:02,820 --> 04:54:04,900
So those proposed changes are not effective.

3203
04:54:04,900 --> 04:54:09,200
this is related to the current existing today,

3204
04:54:09,760 --> 04:54:12,940
compounding, which those policies and that map are in your adopted

3205
04:54:13,540 --> 04:54:14,100
compland.

3206
04:54:14,820 --> 04:54:14,900
Yes.

3207
04:54:15,380 --> 04:54:17,920
And so, but it's just the same situation

3208
04:54:17,920 --> 04:54:19,900
than as every other property in Orange County

3209
04:54:19,900 --> 04:54:22,640
that we are putting this suspension on.

3210
04:54:23,440 --> 04:54:24,160
I'm not getting it.

3211
04:54:24,620 --> 04:54:27,280
I'm answering the question about whether or not it was the map

3212
04:54:27,280 --> 04:54:27,900
that exists.

3213
04:54:28,380 --> 04:54:30,320
That's going to exist based on your proposal.

3214
04:54:30,320 --> 04:54:31,600
I don't think that's the decision.

3215
04:54:32,320 --> 04:54:33,500
The mayor just asked though.

3216
04:54:33,500 --> 04:54:37,440
No, I didn't ask the question. They responded to your question.

3217
04:54:37,780 --> 04:54:42,700
Oh, and yeah, that's not the, sorry, that's not answering the question that we were asking.

3218
04:54:43,160 --> 04:54:45,680
The mayor didn't ask a question he simply threw it to me.

3219
04:54:45,840 --> 04:54:49,060
I was answering the question that you had asked related to Matt.

3220
04:54:49,060 --> 04:54:50,080
It's answering your question.

3221
04:54:50,100 --> 04:54:51,300
So answering your question.

3222
04:54:52,380 --> 04:54:56,520
Okay, so, but it's not answering the question.

3223
04:54:56,680 --> 04:54:59,340
Sorry, the answer I'm trying to ask though.

3224
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:09,260
So I'm saying is that looking at the details of it, that property is in the same situation as

3225
04:55:09,260 --> 04:55:11,600
every other property, like an orange county.

3226
04:55:15,320 --> 04:55:17,180
So it's, it's go, so like horizon's west for

3227
04:55:17,180 --> 04:55:21,420
example, it's better if I give an example. So horizon's west, right? It's not changing

3228
04:55:21,420 --> 04:55:28,500
whatsoever from now to vision 2050. Like pick it though, it's in a different situation, it

3229
04:55:28,500 --> 04:55:32,200
is changing. It could change based on this board's decision.

3230
04:55:32,600 --> 04:55:38,360
Yeah, but so everything else. So what I'm saying is Lake Pick is in the same situation as every other property

3231
04:55:38,360 --> 04:55:44,640
arch county besides Horizon West and I think the other one was innovation way or whatever.

3232
04:55:45,200 --> 04:55:51,040
Today, however, Lake Pick is in the same position as the other areas in which that has been exempted

3233
04:55:51,040 --> 04:55:54,880
in that it carries that special planning designation in the current component.

3234
04:55:54,880 --> 04:56:04,440
So, I think you're comparing the possible adoption of vision 2050 and what that decision

3235
04:56:04,440 --> 04:56:07,460
could be to Horizon's West today.

3236
04:56:07,600 --> 04:56:12,480
So Horizon's West today and Horizon's West post vision 2050 adoption may not change.

3237
04:56:13,240 --> 04:56:17,040
But today, the late picket area falls within the same category.

3238
04:56:17,380 --> 04:56:21,280
So based on when this direction was given to the board to bring this ordinance forward,

3239
04:56:21,680 --> 04:56:24,060
we treated it the same as Horizon's West.

3240
04:56:24,060 --> 04:56:28,520
So that's why the exemption is contained within the draft that's purivore you today.

3241
04:56:30,240 --> 04:56:36,140
Okay, but the reason why we're doing this suspension is to prevent issues,

3242
04:56:36,440 --> 04:56:40,180
the confusions of changes happening when we're trying to go in a certain direction.

3243
04:56:40,860 --> 04:56:45,380
So that's a policy call for the board in the consideration of this public hearing,

3244
04:56:45,520 --> 04:56:49,860
but that is why the exemption was contained in the draft that's presented for you today.

3245
04:56:49,860 --> 04:56:56,680
Okay, so I make a motion to approve the requested act.

3246
04:56:56,680 --> 04:56:58,860
I have a call of the question yet.

3247
04:56:59,540 --> 04:57:01,460
Yeah, but we don't find time was worth it.

3248
04:57:01,640 --> 04:57:04,060
We don't need you to still have a question to make a motion.

3249
04:57:05,940 --> 04:57:08,260
But Christina Moore does this all the time.

3250
04:57:10,420 --> 04:57:11,840
I still have not called a question.

3251
04:57:13,720 --> 04:57:16,300
And we're still getting input.

3252
04:57:16,300 --> 04:57:20,940
if you're done commissioner, then I will, at some point I will call the question.

3253
04:57:21,720 --> 04:57:31,300
But, I mean, is there a certain, is, so first of all, can you explain the difference between what I was trying to do and what, like,

3254
04:57:31,340 --> 04:57:33,420
Christine more did with the visitor land do?

3255
04:57:33,940 --> 04:57:35,460
I'm not going back on that.

3256
04:57:35,560 --> 04:57:39,180
I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to understand what's the process.

3257
04:57:40,280 --> 04:57:42,440
Are you through asking questions?

3258
04:57:44,960 --> 04:57:48,400
I'd like to make a motion for the request to access that, but what I can do is to

3259
04:57:48,400 --> 04:57:53,160
submit all of your questions. Are you through asking questions at this point?

3260
04:57:53,680 --> 04:57:58,520
Yes, I am, and I'm in. Okay, all right, so do we have any other members of the

3261
04:57:58,520 --> 04:58:05,480
board who have any questions? Okay, if we have no questions, then if you would like to

3262
04:58:05,480 --> 04:58:09,540
make a motion, you can make a motion at this time. I'd like to make a motion for

3263
04:58:09,540 --> 04:58:14,060
question action taking out the exception for the lake picket.

3264
04:58:14,940 --> 04:58:23,040
And that may given what the county attorney said, I want to make sure that whatever

3265
04:58:23,040 --> 04:58:34,180
we're doing here, we're not creating an unequal kind of position for any of inappropriate

3266
04:58:34,180 --> 04:58:41,280
on as our developers pursuant to what is being suggested now?

3267
04:58:41,940 --> 04:58:49,400
I would only repeat that the map 22 that is the subject of the reference at line 94.

3268
04:58:50,440 --> 04:58:56,360
Lake Pickett map 22, Future Land Use map 23 is currently in your adoptive compound.

3269
04:58:58,020 --> 04:59:03,380
So the requested action by Commissioner Bonia would to be treated to treat that area differently

3270
04:59:03,380 --> 04:59:06,100
than the other master plan communities.

3271
04:59:06,960 --> 04:59:09,220
But it'd be treating it the same way as any other property

3272
04:59:09,220 --> 04:59:10,180
arch kind that we're doing.

3273
04:59:10,480 --> 04:59:14,480
The reason why we're doing this is to prevent confusion,

3274
04:59:15,540 --> 04:59:17,960
which can happen, unfortunately, on this property,

3275
04:59:18,100 --> 04:59:19,760
because it's different than the other properties.

3276
04:59:20,540 --> 04:59:22,700
OK, so a commission of what the other let me understand

3277
04:59:22,700 --> 04:59:23,560
what you're saying.

3278
04:59:24,040 --> 04:59:28,120
In terms of you don't have an issue with the other master plan

3279
04:59:28,120 --> 04:59:34,320
communities, they were identified in the presentation.

3280
04:59:35,140 --> 04:59:38,360
Yeah, so let me clarify a little bit more.

3281
04:59:40,000 --> 04:59:42,960
So those exceptions, the cries in West,

3282
04:59:43,200 --> 04:59:45,720
avalanche park, innovation way, I drive.

3283
04:59:46,520 --> 04:59:48,980
They are going to see the same in vision 2050.

3284
04:59:50,160 --> 04:59:53,900
Now, let's say the property and unaccorporated,

3285
04:59:53,900 --> 04:59:55,760
let's say my property, whatever,

3286
04:59:55,760 --> 04:59:58,200
like I just throw like where I live, my property, right?

3287
04:59:58,660 --> 04:59:59,920
It's not included in any of these.

3288
05:00:00,780 --> 05:00:15,000
But it's going to be included in the suspension because my property, and I'm just throwing out an example, may change with the vision 2050, with a lot of the other properties in Orange County.

3289
05:00:15,640 --> 05:00:21,980
So, it's going to change, so the link ticket is going to change too if vision, you

3290
05:00:21,980 --> 05:00:26,420
know, you keep seeing, if what are, if vision 2050, it's in this link ticket is in

3291
05:00:26,420 --> 05:00:32,760
the same situation as all the other properties, where if vision 2050 gets approved, then

3292
05:00:32,760 --> 05:00:34,720
these changes are going to happen.

3293
05:00:36,060 --> 05:00:40,300
But Horizon West, Adelaan Park Innovation Way, I drive, we're going to stay the same.

3294
05:00:40,300 --> 05:00:47,940
So, the suspension, the purpose of it is to prevent any confusions or complications between that change,

3295
05:00:48,940 --> 05:00:56,240
which is why I'm saying, then Lake Pickett should be suspended as well to prevent that confusion and that complication and that change.

3296
05:00:56,840 --> 05:01:08,600
Okay, let's have... Let's have... Let's have staff respond to that because what I'm hearing is something a little bit different from what staff is saying,

3297
05:01:08,600 --> 05:01:15,860
what you were saying and what the County Attorney's office is advising us at this point.

3298
05:01:16,320 --> 05:01:26,720
What is before us is this language with enumerated master plan communities that were not

3299
05:01:26,720 --> 05:01:36,200
be subjected to the temporary suspension and it sounds to me like what you were saying is let's

3300
05:01:36,200 --> 05:01:51,680
take, like, pick it out of consideration for this process, and make, like, pick it similar

3301
05:01:51,680 --> 05:02:03,840
to other properties within Orange County, which does not include these master plan communities.

3302
05:02:04,500 --> 05:02:14,700
And so, in some regard, it is treating if the determining fact that he is the master plan

3303
05:02:14,700 --> 05:02:21,400
and communities that already exist, it's like you will be treating like pick it different

3304
05:02:21,400 --> 05:02:23,940
than the other master plan and communities.

3305
05:02:24,420 --> 05:02:27,700
If I may jump in, I'd actually believe the Commission is correct.

3306
05:02:29,280 --> 05:02:32,880
So, the reason we have these exceptions for horizon-to-west,

3307
05:02:33,200 --> 05:02:35,580
Avalan Park Innovation Way, and then National Drive,

3308
05:02:36,260 --> 05:02:39,280
is because Vision-2015 Orange Code is largely

3309
05:02:39,280 --> 05:02:42,640
leaving those areas of the county unaffected

3310
05:02:42,640 --> 05:02:45,760
with the new conference of plan and the new regulatory requirements.

3311
05:02:46,260 --> 05:02:48,700
You stop the new PDs in those areas of the county

3312
05:02:49,660 --> 05:02:52,840
and the underlying future land use map is not changing.

3313
05:02:53,760 --> 05:02:55,820
For the grow, for example,

3314
05:02:55,820 --> 05:03:03,260
While it was listed as a master plan community, the grow, which would be the only remaining

3315
05:03:03,260 --> 05:03:10,300
parcel with vision 2050 in the Lake Picket Study area, is unaffected because it's an existing

3316
05:03:10,300 --> 05:03:10,700
PD.

3317
05:03:11,700 --> 05:03:14,340
And so I don't think it would agree with the commissioner.

3318
05:03:14,380 --> 05:03:19,460
I don't think the exception is necessary, because anything left, any of the other parcels

3319
05:03:19,460 --> 05:03:24,600
within the currently Picket Study area, most of those are probably being removed with the

3320
05:03:24,600 --> 05:03:33,860
the vision 2050 package so they aren't changing, which is, again, one of the reasons we've sort of closed off the rest of the county is to minimize that.

3321
05:03:34,180 --> 05:03:42,440
But then when you look at, you know, what the requirements as Alberta was attempting to describe for any future application like pick it,

3322
05:03:42,440 --> 05:03:46,500
it's a complement amendment and a rezoning going through a very specific process.

3323
05:03:46,500 --> 05:03:58,980
And so I don't believe that deleting Lake Pickett from this list would have an adverse impact in terms of the county's ability to continue to process applications where appropriate.

3324
05:03:59,500 --> 05:04:09,180
And then also make sure that we've been able to work through the backlog, existing applications within the timeframe of getting vision 2050 to the finish line.

3325
05:04:09,340 --> 05:04:11,840
I think we can make that change. I think that's workable.

3326
05:04:14,240 --> 05:04:18,780
Okay, so, for the clerk,

3327
05:04:22,200 --> 05:04:32,140
we would have to offer some specific language to Commissioner Bony's motion

3328
05:04:32,640 --> 05:04:36,100
so that it is well articulated.

3329
05:04:37,060 --> 05:04:39,560
What is it that we would be voting on?

3330
05:04:40,120 --> 05:04:45,100
Okay, so Ms. Holmes, do you have this language?

3331
05:04:45,100 --> 05:04:52,580
I do Mayor. So based on Commissioner Boney is motion we would remove there is a list of five master plan communities

3332
05:04:52,580 --> 05:04:59,720
enumerated from line 92 to 99. We would remove the item number two.

3333
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:13,440
3, 4 and 5 accordingly. Okay. And does all of the staff understand? Okay. And does the clerk, do you have the language?

3334
05:05:14,740 --> 05:05:25,160
Yes. And then you're also going to, um, within that motion, the changes that were made to the draft ordinance from May 12th.

3335
05:05:26,080 --> 05:05:29,020
that Mr. Swarnson had on the slide,

3336
05:05:29,540 --> 05:05:31,560
because that's not the current ordinance we have.

3337
05:05:31,940 --> 05:05:33,060
Yes, that's included in the motion.

3338
05:05:37,240 --> 05:05:39,080
So by this action,

3339
05:05:40,320 --> 05:05:42,040
there's two things that we're building,

3340
05:05:42,940 --> 05:05:44,900
Is that what the clerk said?

3341
05:05:45,640 --> 05:05:45,980
All right.

3342
05:05:46,420 --> 05:05:48,240
And so with that,

3343
05:05:49,640 --> 05:05:51,120
Commissioner Moore, did you say second?

3344
05:05:51,840 --> 05:05:53,220
Yeah, but she said she had second,

3345
05:05:53,260 --> 05:05:54,120
but I was going to second.

3346
05:05:54,120 --> 05:05:56,500
Oh, I wasn't sure we have.

3347
05:05:56,720 --> 05:05:58,800
I'm just trying to hit all of that.

3348
05:05:59,240 --> 05:06:02,160
OK, all right, Commissioner Moore is the second

3349
05:06:02,160 --> 05:06:02,960
or all in the motion.

3350
05:06:03,960 --> 05:06:06,360
All right, so all in favor, let it be known

3351
05:06:06,360 --> 05:06:07,240
by saying aye.

3352
05:06:08,380 --> 05:06:09,580
Opposed no.

3353
05:06:10,120 --> 05:06:13,320
All right, the motion passes and it is unanimous.

3354
05:06:13,680 --> 05:06:13,860
All right.

3355
05:06:14,920 --> 05:06:20,340
With that, I believe that was the final item of the day.

3356
05:06:21,080 --> 05:06:25,640
And so, to all of you who are watching, stand adjourned.