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>>chair, doug chaffee: good

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morning, everyone. If you can,

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please find a seat so we can

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begin our presentations. Today

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it's my honor to present along

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with supervisor sarmiento a very

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special and meaningful

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proclamation on behalf of the

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orange county board of

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supervisors, recognizing the

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celebration of eid, al-fitr.

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eid mubarak all of you.

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this marks the end of the month

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and the time is served by

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muslims around the world through

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fasting, prayer, reflection and

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acts of charity. Time that

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emphasizes compassion, gratitude

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and a deep sense of community.

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here in orange county we're

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proud to be a vibrant home for a

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diverse assist muslim community,

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why more than 100,000 residents,

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who contribute every day to the

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strength, culture and success of

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our county. Small businesses to

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healthcare, education, to public

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service, impact is felt across

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every part of our county. This

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year's proclamation is

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especially significant as it

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marks the first time the orange

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county board of supervisors is

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fully recognizing eid al fitr.

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the important step acknowledging

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and celebrating the diversity

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that makes our county stronger.

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this time we'd like to invite

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members of the muslim community,

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who are here with us today to

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please come forward and let us

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recognizing you. If I read your

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name, please step forward and

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come next to the sheriff, if you

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would. Dr. Deana helmy is

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president of the shore council.

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dr. Muzammil siddiqi, a longtime

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religious director of the

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longest serving maoist in orange

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county. Dr. Alhmed soboh,

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director of yorba linda

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placentia islamic center and

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also is a dentist. So be sure

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have a good smile this morning.

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sayed mahdi qazwini, educational

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center of orange county. Rima

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nashashibi, the alderman

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commissioner for the orange

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county women's commission on the

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status of women and girls.

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shaista malik, policy manager,

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mervette judah, committee

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organizing and realtor. Lucy

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silva, latino muslim community

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member. And the afghan american

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business and alliance

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representative and machoke buena

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park councilmember. We at the

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board extend our warmest wishes

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to all of those celebrating eid

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al-fitr to my colleagues and

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those around the world. After

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my colleagues make comments, I'd

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like to invite dr. Deana helmy

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and dr. Muzammil siddiqi to make

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a few remarks. Supervisor

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sarmiento, you're next because

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you joined in bringing this

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matter forward.

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>>vincente sarmiento: good

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morning, everybody. I'm vincent

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sarmiento, orange county

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supervisor for the second

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district. I proudly represent

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the cities of santa ana, orange,

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tustin, garden grove and

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anaheim. Ramadan mubarak to

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everybody. Today is a historic

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first. We are recognizing eid

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al-fitr at orange county board

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of supervisor for the first

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time, a meaningful and long

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overdue acknowledgment. I was

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with you last friday at isoc,

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the islamic center of orange

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county, where over 5,000 people

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were gathered to break fast and

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to step eide. I'm proud to

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co-present this with chairman

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chaffee as we take the step

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toward recognize diversity of

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traditions that make up our

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county. I want to thank all of

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the community leaders and

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partners that are here with us

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today and have continued to

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proudly represent the muslim

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community in orange county.

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your leadership, advocacy and

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service are deeply valued. I'd

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like to highlight two guest

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speakers that the chairman

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referenced today. Dr. Deana

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helmy and dr. Muzammil siddiqi,

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both of whom are highly regarded

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in their field and our community

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leaders that we're so proud to

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have with us today. Dr. Helmy

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currently serves as the board

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chair of the islamic shura

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council in southern california,

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becoming the first woman to lead

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this organization. The shura

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council brings together muslim

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organizations and leaders across

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southern california to promote

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unity, community service,

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advocacy and leadership

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development. Dr. Siddiqi is the

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long-time religious director of

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the islamic society of orange

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county and garden grove and

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widely respect for his decades

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of faith leadership, scholarship

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and interfaith engagement. Me

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trusted voice both locally and

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nationally on issues of faith,

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understanding. This moment

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reflects our commitment to

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ensuring all communities in

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orange county are seen,

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respected and included in our

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civic spaces. Eid al-fitr marks

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the end of ramadan, a sacred

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month of fasting, reflection and

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charity. Month concludes with

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eide, a joyful celebration that

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brings families and communities

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together. Many begin their day

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with a special congregational

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prayer, wear their beth clothes,

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visit family and friends, share

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meals and give to those in need

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so that everyone can participate

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in the celebration. Globally

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celebrate eid al-fitr making one

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of the most widely-observed

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holidays in the world. Here in

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community is vibrant, growing

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and estimated at over 100,000

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residents who contribute deeply

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to our region across healthcare,

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education, business and public

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service. Again, I had the

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pleasure of being with the

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community last friday, and it

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was a beautiful, beautiful

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collection of families and

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friends at a joy us moment. And

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so recognizing here eide al-fitr

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at the county level sends a

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clear message, that our diverse

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county. It affirms that orange

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county is a place where all

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communities are seen and

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respected. For many residents,

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this recognition is not just

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symbolic, it's a meaningful step

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towards inclusion and belonging

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in these public spaces. So with

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that, I want to welcome you all

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who are here. Thank you to

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everybody for all the work, all

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the community leaders that do

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work always throughout your

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careers here in the county, and

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thank you for your leadership.

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just proud to be here at this

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historic moment with him. Thank

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: eide

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al-fitr, this is a great day for

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orange county to celebrate our

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diversity and to join with our

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muslim community here as you end

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your fast. Thank you to the

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chairman and the -- supervisor

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sarmiento for bringing this

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historic resolution forward and

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for helping us to really in that

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orange county is a diverse

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community, and we have so many

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different residents, who hail

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from so many different countries

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and who really brighten and

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enhance the quality of our

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overall community because of

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that. Ramadan, a mark month

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marked by reflection, virtuosity

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and deep spiritual commitment

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for our husband limb communities

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and for the world is so

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important to you. We want you

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to know that we see you and we

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hear you and we are here

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standing with you. We remain so

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fortunate to live in this

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amazing community where we can

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all learn from each other and

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celebrate each other's different

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experiences and traditions. And

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it is my privilege to be able to

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stand here with you as you end

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your fast and to celebrate with

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you. Thank you all for joining

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us here today, and thank you for

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your good work in the community

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whether it's public service or

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commitment to community causes,

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and congratulations where women

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here in orange county continue

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to excel in all parts of our

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community. So thank you so

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>>speaker: good morning, and

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eide mubarak. Thank you for

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your invitation, for your

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kindness.

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honorable chair chaffee and

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sarmiento, respectable members

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supervisors. Ladies and

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gentlemen, on behalf of the

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islamic society of foreign

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countries for garden grove, this

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board and staff and many

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members, I express our deep

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thanks and appreciation to the

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board of supervisors of orange

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county for recognizing eide

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al-fitr, a major muslim

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festival. It comes annually.

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after observing a month of

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fasting, prayer, and acts of

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charity. It is a major

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religious festival of muslims

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and it is recognized universally

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by muslims in orange county, the

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united states and all over the

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world. The islamic society of

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orange county has also

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celebrated recently its 50th

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anniversary, and is one of the

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oldest and largest islamic

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organizations in the area, as

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organizations, we are very

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grateful. We are thankful that

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the -- last friday morning on

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the eighth day, the honorable

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supervisor sarmiento was with

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thousands of muslims and

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announced the first time

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recognition of israel by the

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supervisors of foreign

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countries. Thank you for your

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openness to diversity and

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multiplicity of races, religions

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and cultures in our great orange

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county. We pray to god for

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peace, prosperity, and happiness

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of all people in orange county

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and in america and around the

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world. We thank you for your

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wise and gracious leadership.

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may god bless you. Thank you.

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amen.

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>>speaker: good morning.

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honorable chairman supervisor

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chaffee, supervisor sarmiento,

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and all supervisor community

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partners and distinguished

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guests, my name is dr. Deana

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helmy and I'm honored to serve

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as the first chairwoman of the

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islamic shura council of

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southern california. On behalf

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of the muslim community of

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orange county I want to express

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our sincere appreciation to

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chairman supervisor chaffee and

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supervisor sarmiento for

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bringing forward this historic

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proclamation, recognizing eide

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here in orange can county. This

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is a meaningful moment for our

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community and a powerful

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affirmation of inclusivity. The

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holiday being recognized today

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is one of the most joyful

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celebrations in islam. It marks

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the culmination of ramadan, a

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month of fasting from dawn to

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sunset which is filled with

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spiritual reflection, acts of

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charity, and strengthening our

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bonds with family and community

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members. Throughout the month

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of ramadan, mosques across

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orange county host nightly

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prayers and community events

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where people from all

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backgrounds gather to share a

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meal and build relationships. I

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hope you have had

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the opportunity to join one of

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these and if not take in an

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invitation for next year and

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partake in avtar. I encourage

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everyone to join the community

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in observe and prayer and

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community celebration. Orange

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county is a home to vibrant and

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diverse muslim communities with

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dozens of course h of mosques

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serving thousands of families.

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these institutions are not only

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places of worship, but also

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centers of education, youth

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leadership, interfaith

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collaboration and extensive

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community service. Muslims

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contribute across many sectors

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in healthcare, education,

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business, science and technology

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and public service and nonprofit

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work, from caring for patients

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to teaching our students to

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running small businesses to

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supporting charitable and civic

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initiatives, muslim residents

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help strengthen the social and

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economic fabric of this county

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every day. I'm proud to

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represent the islamic shura

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council of southern california,

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a coalition that brings together

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more than 80 mosques and muslim

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organizations across the region.

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the shura county works to foster

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unity, support community

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development and build bridges

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with interfaith partners, civic

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leaders and local institutions.

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our mission is simple, to uplift

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our communities and contribute

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positively to the broader

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society we are a part of, lead a

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celebration of gratitude,

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compassion and renewed purpose,

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values that resonate far beyond

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the muslim community. And by

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recognizing eide, the board of

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supervisors not only are

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honoring a meaningful religious

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holiday but also contribution

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diversity and civic spirit of

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muslim families who helped make

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orange county a more vibrant and

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inclusive place to live. Thank

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you again for your leadership

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and ensuring that every resident

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here feels seen, valued and

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included. Thank you.

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norwuz. Zandalasini.

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>>chair, doug chaffee: we're

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going to go on to our second

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presentation in morning, and

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that will be led by vice-chair

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foley, for bringing forward --

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if I say that right --

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celebrating norwuz.

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

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you, mr. Chairman. Norwuz

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peruz. I'm katrina foley,

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representing the board as the

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vice-chair and representative

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for the fabulous fifth district

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which covers costa mesa all the

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way to san clemente, 31 miles of

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beautiful coast. And home to a

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vibrant iranian american

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community. Norwuz marks the

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bring of a new year on the

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persian calendar, continuing a

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more than 3,000 year-old

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tradition, welcoming spring.

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norwuz, a new day, is when

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36,000 iranian americans that

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reside right here in orange

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county start a new day. And

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this year many of our beautiful

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festivals that normally would

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have been happening during this

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time period have been turned

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into and converted to vigils or

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not happening at all. And due

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to the war and due to the

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sensitivity and concern that it

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would be inappropriate to be

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celebrating and happy and

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living, you know, these great

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lives we have here while many

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are mourning and struggling and

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grieving for their families. In

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iran. On sunday I had the

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privilege of joining the iranian

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american bar association at a

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vigil in irvine, and it was a

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replacement for the normal gala

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that they have, where they

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raised money for scholarships

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and what I enjoyed so much about

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the vigil was that I got to hear

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directly from many individuals

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who were sharing stories about

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their journey america, sharing

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stories about the pain that they

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are feeling because they have

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family members and friends who

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are in iran and the uncertainty.

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and also the conflict between

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feeling, you know, good that a

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terrible dictator has been

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removed and a regime change.

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but at same time such terrible

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degradation of the community and

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death of the people, especially

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the children. So we today bring

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this presentation forward to

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join our iranian community, to

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recognize norwuz and a new day,

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making sure, just like we did

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for the last presentation, we

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have such a beautiful, diverse

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community here in orange county

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where we all get to learn about

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each other's cultures and

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celebrations and struggles. And

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that's what makes orange county

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a wonderful place to live and

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where we all can grow together.

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my office, we will continue to

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stand with our iranian

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community, especially the women,

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and we want you to know that we

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are here mourning with you as

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you transition this norwuz. So

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if some could join me up here,

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we have the iranian american

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community group's ceo

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dr. Michael chegini, who will

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come up and join to us say a few

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words. And I know we have

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representatives from our iranian

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american bar association, the

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iranian american community

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groups, our former mayor of

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laguna beach, alex ronoghi is

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here. Come and join us. Our

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iranian american chamber of

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commerce, shani moslehi and also

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the network of iranian american

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professionals of orange county,

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please join us. And

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dr. Chegini, after my

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colleagues, we'll have that you

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say a few words. Mr. Chairman,

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do you want to say a few words?

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supervisor sarmiento.

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>>vincente sarmiento: thank you.

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thank you for bringing this.

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last year I know I had the

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pleasure of introducing norwuz

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and celebrating norwuz. So I

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want to see if I can have

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somebody who's very special to

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me, my chief of staff,

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yasie goebel, who is persian

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american, and I want to have her

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come up. Give her a big round

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of applause. She does all of

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the heavy lifting for me. Suzie

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price from the d.a.'s office,

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can you join us up here as well?

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I see you in the audience.

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please come and join us. We

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have a lot of persian americans

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that work here in the county,

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too many to count and have up

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here. But we have many, many

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people that we're blessed who

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are of persian descent and so

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today as the vice-chair was

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mentioning we are joining

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millions of people around the

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world to celebrate norwuz, the

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start of spring, and a new year

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for over 300 million people.

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for more than 3,000 years norwuz

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has been about renewal, it's a

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time to reflect, make amends, to

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reconnect with loved ones and to

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look ahead with hope. It

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reminds us that just like the

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world around us begins again in

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the spring, we can too. But

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this year I know it is a very

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solemn moment in the midst of a

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joy us occasion. So we

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celebrate with deep concern

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about what is happening on the

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other part of the world in iran.

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we also have to acknowledge the

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painful reality. Many

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communities that would normally

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be celebrating are instead

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living through fear and loss.

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in countries like iran, people

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are enduring profound hardship,

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mourning the thousands of lives

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lost during the recent

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government massacre and ongoing

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abuses. While also living

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through unprovoked foreign

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violence, facing danger both on

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the ground from their own

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government and from the sky

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through active war. In

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afghanistan, women and girls

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continue to be stripped of their

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most basic rights, denied

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education, denied independence

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and denied even the freedom to

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00:26:50,999 --> 00:26:53,209
leave their homes without a male

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guardian, all the while the

571
00:26:54,751 --> 00:26:55,709
country remains gripped by

572
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instability, conflict from

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00:26:57,999 --> 00:27:00,830
foreign intrusion. Across the

574
00:27:00,830 --> 00:27:01,751
region, many families are

575
00:27:01,751 --> 00:27:03,999
enduring the realities of war

576
00:27:03,999 --> 00:27:04,999
displacement and deep

577
00:27:04,999 --> 00:27:07,830
uncertainty. So with that

578
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:09,584
context, I know that the people

579
00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:12,417
who celebrate norwuz, who we're

580
00:27:12,417 --> 00:27:13,250
celebrating with today, are

581
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:15,650
resilient, are people who

582
00:27:15,751 --> 00:27:18,000
endured for 3,000 years and

583
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,959
celebrated in a joy us way new

584
00:27:20,959 --> 00:27:23,876
beginnings and hope. So this

585
00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:25,417
year it is a moment for us to

586
00:27:25,417 --> 00:27:26,999
celebrate in solidarity with

587
00:27:26,999 --> 00:27:27,999
them. They stand with those who

588
00:27:27,999 --> 00:27:29,375
are grieving, who are living in

589
00:27:29,375 --> 00:27:31,999
fear and who do not know what

590
00:27:31,999 --> 00:27:32,999
tomorrow will bring, but we

591
00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:33,999
embrace their resilience and

592
00:27:33,999 --> 00:27:36,830
hold on to the hope that freedom

593
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:38,542
and peace lie ahead in this new

594
00:27:38,542 --> 00:27:40,999
year with days filled with

595
00:27:40,999 --> 00:27:41,501
safety and opportunity for

596
00:27:41,501 --> 00:27:42,626
everybody. Here in our

597
00:27:42,626 --> 00:27:44,751
community we're blessed we have

598
00:27:44,751 --> 00:27:47,959
so many iranians and folks who

599
00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:49,334
celebrate norwuz. We are proud

600
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:51,584
to celebrate the cultures and

601
00:27:51,584 --> 00:27:53,834
tracks that make us stronger.

602
00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:54,959
with that, welcome. Let's

603
00:27:54,959 --> 00:27:55,999
continue to celebrate, let's

604
00:27:55,999 --> 00:27:57,876
continue to keep hope alive. We

605
00:27:57,876 --> 00:27:59,959
know that we've gone through

606
00:27:59,959 --> 00:28:01,417
difficult moments as a

607
00:28:01,417 --> 00:28:03,918
community, as a country. But as

608
00:28:03,918 --> 00:28:05,292
a global community, we must also

609
00:28:05,292 --> 00:28:06,834
make sure that we stand with

610
00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:08,250
people going through difficult

611
00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:09,375
moments. So thank you,

612
00:28:09,375 --> 00:28:10,626
everybody, back here for

613
00:28:10,626 --> 00:28:11,751
everything that you do,

614
00:28:11,751 --> 00:28:12,999
representing your community

615
00:28:12,999 --> 00:28:14,834
beautifully. Thank you so much

616
00:28:14,834 --> 00:28:16,918
to all of who are joining us as

617
00:28:16,918 --> 00:28:17,751
well. Thank you.

618
00:28:17,751 --> 00:28:19,751
[ applause ]

619
00:28:21,709 --> 00:28:22,999
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

620
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dr. Chegini, would you like to

621
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say a few words?

622
00:28:27,709 --> 00:28:30,626
>>speaker: thank you so much.

623
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and good morning to chairman

624
00:28:36,999 --> 00:28:39,399
chaffee and vice-chairman foley

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00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
and county supervisor sarmiento.

626
00:28:48,417 --> 00:28:51,417
the iranian community are in

627
00:28:51,417 --> 00:28:54,417
grief as totally true. This

628
00:28:55,417 --> 00:28:58,830
year has been with a difficult

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year for us. Iran american

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00:29:02,167 --> 00:29:04,567
communities, as ms. Foley

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00:29:09,834 --> 00:29:11,834
mentioned, our diverse

632
00:29:12,918 --> 00:29:14,999
community, and we have many

633
00:29:14,999 --> 00:29:17,999
association here, the new park

634
00:29:21,334 --> 00:29:23,334
community bar association,

635
00:29:23,876 --> 00:29:26,918
chamber of commerce. But we are

636
00:29:26,918 --> 00:29:29,584
all in one heart, and that's

637
00:29:29,584 --> 00:29:33,184
freedom for iran. We all share

638
00:29:33,792 --> 00:29:34,209
for that.

639
00:29:34,209 --> 00:29:35,999
[ applause ]

640
00:29:35,999 --> 00:29:37,542
>> maybe we have different views

641
00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:39,999
how to get there. But we all

642
00:29:39,999 --> 00:29:43,599
want free iran. And this year

643
00:29:44,584 --> 00:29:48,184
has been a difficult year for

644
00:29:50,709 --> 00:29:52,709
all of us. I would like to talk

645
00:29:52,709 --> 00:29:56,309
about norwuz, iran's new year, a

646
00:29:56,459 --> 00:29:57,417
celebration that's more than

647
00:29:57,417 --> 00:29:59,959
just a hide holiday. It is a

648
00:29:59,959 --> 00:30:01,999
symbol of renewal, resistance

649
00:30:01,999 --> 00:30:04,999
and hope. Norwuz, which means

650
00:30:06,417 --> 00:30:09,417
new day, in persia is

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00:30:09,751 --> 00:30:11,420
celebrating of the first day of

652
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:14,642
the spring. At exact moment of

653
00:30:15,626 --> 00:30:18,260
the vernal equinox. It

654
00:30:20,542 --> 00:30:22,792
originally goes back 3,000 years

655
00:30:22,792 --> 00:30:25,792
rooted in the ancient persian

656
00:30:25,999 --> 00:30:28,399
legend of zoroastrian. Despite

657
00:30:31,751 --> 00:30:33,709
centuries of invasions,

658
00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:36,109
political changes and cultural

659
00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:39,751
shifts, norwuz has been survived

660
00:30:39,751 --> 00:30:42,417
and continues to be celebrated

661
00:30:42,417 --> 00:30:44,999
by millions of people across the

662
00:30:44,999 --> 00:30:48,599
iran and many countries. At its

663
00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:51,667
heart, norwuz represents

664
00:30:52,751 --> 00:30:54,999
rebirth. The idea after

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00:30:54,999 --> 00:30:57,250
darkness comes light. After

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00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:59,650
winter comes spring. Families

667
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:03,642
gather at home, cleaning, and a

668
00:31:06,209 --> 00:31:08,609
special table called haft-seen.

669
00:31:14,167 --> 00:31:16,417
the tree is set withheld

670
00:31:16,417 --> 00:31:18,417
symbolic items representing

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00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:21,420
life, health, and prosperity.

672
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:23,000
it is a time for conqueredness,

673
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,918
reflection and new beginnings.

674
00:31:24,918 --> 00:31:26,501
but today as we celebrate

675
00:31:26,501 --> 00:31:29,501
norwuz, we cannot ignore the

676
00:31:29,542 --> 00:31:32,375
reality that many iranians and

677
00:31:32,375 --> 00:31:34,775
americans face. This year

678
00:31:36,292 --> 00:31:38,792
norwuz arrives under the shadow

679
00:31:38,792 --> 00:31:41,584
of war and conflict. Recent

680
00:31:41,584 --> 00:31:43,984
events have brought violence,

681
00:31:45,999 --> 00:31:47,999
uncertainty and loss to many

682
00:31:47,999 --> 00:31:50,399
families. Celebration that are

683
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:54,918
usually joyful have become

684
00:31:54,918 --> 00:31:57,318
quieter, more reflective and,

685
00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:03,683
for some, filled with grief. At

686
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:07,420
same time many iranians, both

687
00:32:10,167 --> 00:32:11,417
sides, inside of iran and

688
00:32:11,417 --> 00:32:13,125
outside of iran, around the

689
00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:14,830
world continue to hope for

690
00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:16,483
packers dignity and freedom.

691
00:32:16,999 --> 00:32:20,599
many see the difficult moment as

692
00:32:20,792 --> 00:32:23,999
a turning point, a chance for

693
00:32:23,999 --> 00:32:27,599
change to a better future. And

694
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:31,434
yet then hardship, the spirit of

695
00:32:31,709 --> 00:32:34,709
norwuz lives on. People are

696
00:32:36,209 --> 00:32:38,609
still gathering around their

697
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,501
house at tables, they still

698
00:32:42,501 --> 00:32:44,459
share meals, tell stories and

699
00:32:44,459 --> 00:32:47,542
hold on to tradition passed on

700
00:32:47,542 --> 00:32:49,942
by generations. Because norwuz

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00:32:50,626 --> 00:32:52,334
is not just about celebration,

702
00:32:52,334 --> 00:32:55,334
it is about endurances. It

703
00:32:58,459 --> 00:33:01,459
reminds us that light can

704
00:33:01,999 --> 00:33:03,792
overcome darkness. Hope can

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00:33:03,792 --> 00:33:06,792
survive even at difficult times,

706
00:33:06,876 --> 00:33:09,876
and renewal is always possible.

707
00:33:10,792 --> 00:33:14,334
as we reflect on norwuz today,

708
00:33:14,334 --> 00:33:17,501
let us not only celebrate a new

709
00:33:17,501 --> 00:33:20,459
year, but also stand with those

710
00:33:20,459 --> 00:33:24,590
who long for peace and justice

711
00:33:25,999 --> 00:33:27,751
instead of war and conflict.

712
00:33:27,751 --> 00:33:30,667
love instead of hate and freedom

713
00:33:30,667 --> 00:33:34,267
instead of fear. May this new

714
00:33:39,626 --> 00:33:42,626
year truly become a new

715
00:33:42,834 --> 00:33:45,830
beginning for iran, the united

716
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:48,830
states, israel and region and

717
00:33:49,709 --> 00:33:51,125
for all people seeking a better

718
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:54,125
life. The iranian american of

719
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:58,999
orange county appreciate all of

720
00:33:58,999 --> 00:34:01,420
the support and love this

721
00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:04,420
country and the country has

722
00:34:04,999 --> 00:34:08,599
provided us this year, we in

723
00:34:08,876 --> 00:34:11,876
persian say norwuz mobarak, and

724
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:17,850
in hebrew, we say shanah tovah,

725
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:21,250
and in english, we say happy new

726
00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:22,999
year. Thank you.

727
00:34:22,999 --> 00:34:24,999
[ applause ]

728
00:37:54,542 --> 00:37:55,959
>>chair, doug chaffee: good

729
00:37:55,959 --> 00:37:56,918
morning again. We have one more

730
00:37:56,918 --> 00:37:59,876
presentation to make. Thank you

731
00:37:59,876 --> 00:38:02,276
to supervisor sarmiento, bring

732
00:38:05,167 --> 00:38:07,567
forward directing h recognizing

733
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
march 2026 as developmental

734
00:38:11,999 --> 00:38:13,417
disabilities awareness month. I

735
00:38:13,417 --> 00:38:15,125
guess that's me. Too often

736
00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:16,918
those with developmental

737
00:38:16,918 --> 00:38:19,709
disabilities are excluded due to

738
00:38:19,709 --> 00:38:21,417
preconceived notions of their

739
00:38:21,417 --> 00:38:24,417
abilities to perform work. I

740
00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:26,876
encourage all resident tots

741
00:38:26,876 --> 00:38:27,999
recognize the importance of

742
00:38:27,999 --> 00:38:29,999
disability development awareness

743
00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:31,999
and support ongoing efforts of

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00:38:31,999 --> 00:38:34,334
the county throughout a range of

745
00:38:34,334 --> 00:38:36,334
services including therapy,

746
00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:37,417
education and support to address

747
00:38:37,417 --> 00:38:39,584
the specific needs of people

748
00:38:39,584 --> 00:38:41,334
with developmental disabilities.

749
00:38:41,334 --> 00:38:43,501
supervisor sarmiento, thank you

750
00:38:43,501 --> 00:38:46,501
for bringing this. Where did

751
00:38:47,334 --> 00:38:49,734
you disappear to? Okay.

752
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:51,830
>>vincente sarmiento: I gotcha.

753
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:53,584
thank you, mr. Chairman. And

754
00:38:53,584 --> 00:38:55,542
thank you for the opportunity

755
00:38:55,542 --> 00:38:57,250
for allowing us to celebrate

756
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,250
march 2026's developmental

757
00:38:59,626 --> 00:39:01,626
disabilities awareness month.

758
00:39:01,999 --> 00:39:03,542
this observance recognizes

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00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:04,999
people with developmental

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00:39:04,999 --> 00:39:06,626
disabilities and the many

761
00:39:06,626 --> 00:39:08,292
contributions of those who

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00:39:08,292 --> 00:39:09,584
support them in living

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00:39:09,584 --> 00:39:10,999
independent and fulfilling

764
00:39:10,999 --> 00:39:12,667
lives. Developmental

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00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:13,501
disabilities include

766
00:39:13,501 --> 00:39:15,501
intellectual disabilities,

767
00:39:16,584 --> 00:39:18,984
cerebral palsy, epilepsy, autism

768
00:39:19,375 --> 00:39:21,775
and other related conditions

769
00:39:21,999 --> 00:39:22,709
that affect development and

770
00:39:22,709 --> 00:39:24,167
daily functioning. This year's

771
00:39:24,167 --> 00:39:27,830
theme is "we're here then, now,

772
00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:28,626
and always." it reminds us that

773
00:39:28,626 --> 00:39:29,584
individuals with developmental

774
00:39:29,584 --> 00:39:31,125
disabilities have always been

775
00:39:31,125 --> 00:39:32,667
part of our communities. But

776
00:39:32,667 --> 00:39:34,918
not always been treated well and

777
00:39:34,918 --> 00:39:37,167
just. We need to continue to

778
00:39:37,167 --> 00:39:39,999
contribute today and will remain

779
00:39:39,999 --> 00:39:41,830
essential to our shared future

780
00:39:41,830 --> 00:39:44,420
that we all recognize our need

781
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:46,999
to do better and to do more. It

782
00:39:46,999 --> 00:39:49,459
calls on all of us to build

783
00:39:49,459 --> 00:39:50,999
conclusive communities where

784
00:39:50,999 --> 00:39:52,667
everyone belongs. We also

785
00:39:52,667 --> 00:39:53,999
recognize the vital role of

786
00:39:53,999 --> 00:39:55,751
parents, caregivers, advocates

787
00:39:55,751 --> 00:39:57,420
and organizations who provide

788
00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:59,292
essential services. More than

789
00:39:59,292 --> 00:40:01,830
five decades ago california

790
00:40:01,830 --> 00:40:04,830
passed a historic landmark law,

791
00:40:05,417 --> 00:40:07,417
the lanterman developmental

792
00:40:08,918 --> 00:40:10,751
disability service act of 1969.

793
00:40:10,751 --> 00:40:13,000
it established a regional center

794
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000
system to replace institutional

795
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air and support independent

796
00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:18,192
living. Today californians with

797
00:40:18,584 --> 00:40:19,417
developmental disabilities are

798
00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:21,667
entitled to services that help

799
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:24,670
them thrive in their

800
00:40:25,459 --> 00:40:26,167
communities. As we look ahead,

801
00:40:26,167 --> 00:40:27,959
it's essential that we continue

802
00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:29,501
building on this legacy by

803
00:40:29,501 --> 00:40:31,501
prioritizing community-based

804
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:34,442
support and independence and

805
00:40:34,542 --> 00:40:35,999
resistant returning to models

806
00:40:35,999 --> 00:40:38,751
that push toward -- resist

807
00:40:38,751 --> 00:40:40,167
returning to models that push

808
00:40:40,167 --> 00:40:41,667
toward isolation or

809
00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:43,667
institution-centered systems. I

810
00:40:43,999 --> 00:40:45,459
learned that from my wife. In

811
00:40:45,459 --> 00:40:46,334
orange county organizations such

812
00:40:46,334 --> 00:40:47,834
as the regional center of orange

813
00:40:47,834 --> 00:40:50,834
county, the office of clients

814
00:40:50,918 --> 00:40:51,792
rights advocacy, the orange

815
00:40:51,792 --> 00:40:53,999
county autism foundation and the

816
00:40:53,999 --> 00:40:55,542
project independence play a

817
00:40:55,542 --> 00:40:57,999
critical role in advocacy and

818
00:40:57,999 --> 00:40:59,209
service delivery with support

819
00:40:59,209 --> 00:41:01,417
and empower independence rather

820
00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:03,817
than centralized closed systems.

821
00:41:04,792 --> 00:41:06,420
despite this progress,

822
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:08,420
significant challenges remain.

823
00:41:08,709 --> 00:41:10,542
individuals with developmental

824
00:41:10,542 --> 00:41:10,959
disabilities continue to face

825
00:41:10,959 --> 00:41:12,959
discrimination, underfunding and

826
00:41:12,999 --> 00:41:15,167
barriers to housing, health

827
00:41:15,167 --> 00:41:16,834
care, employment and civic

828
00:41:16,834 --> 00:41:18,999
engagement. To move forward, it

829
00:41:18,999 --> 00:41:20,584
is essential that policymakers

830
00:41:20,584 --> 00:41:22,167
listen to individuals that have

831
00:41:22,167 --> 00:41:24,567
lived experience when addressing

832
00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:26,751
these systematic problems. This

833
00:41:26,751 --> 00:41:27,876
resolution is deeply personal to

834
00:41:27,876 --> 00:41:31,476
me. Through my wife, eva casa

835
00:41:33,918 --> 00:41:35,209
sarmiento, who is in the

836
00:41:35,209 --> 00:41:36,834
audience, I'm going to ask her

837
00:41:36,834 --> 00:41:38,292
come up, as well, she is the

838
00:41:38,292 --> 00:41:39,250
managing attorney at office

839
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:41,626
clients rights advocate answers

840
00:41:41,626 --> 00:41:43,584
and has dedicated her career and

841
00:41:43,584 --> 00:41:46,125
her life -- her life's work as a

842
00:41:46,125 --> 00:41:48,209
civil rights attorney, to making

843
00:41:48,209 --> 00:41:51,209
sure that people have advocates.

844
00:41:51,999 --> 00:41:54,375
and my policy aide I want to

845
00:41:54,375 --> 00:41:56,375
recognize, damiana armendariz,

846
00:41:57,584 --> 00:42:00,501
who lives with autism spectrum

847
00:42:00,501 --> 00:42:01,334
disorder. I have seen both

848
00:42:01,334 --> 00:42:02,999
challenges and the invaluable

849
00:42:02,999 --> 00:42:05,000
perspectives of this community.

850
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,999
so I want to thank damiana

851
00:42:07,999 --> 00:42:09,830
because she helped draft this.

852
00:42:09,830 --> 00:42:11,167
even though she's upstairs

853
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working hard, give her a big

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round of applause because she

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does excellent work.

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[ applause ]

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and I want to congratulate her

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on her new roles at my office as

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a policy aide on issues of

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00:42:21,999 --> 00:42:23,751
legislation older adults and

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00:42:23,751 --> 00:42:25,292
disabilities. As we observe

862
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developmental disabilities

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00:42:26,709 --> 00:42:28,250
awareness month, let us recommit

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00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:29,792
to inclusion, raise awareness

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and remove barriers to community

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00:42:31,999 --> 00:42:33,542
life. Let's ensure that

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everybody with developmental

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disabilities have access to the

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00:42:35,999 --> 00:42:36,792
resources, support

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and opportunities that we all

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have and need to be fully

872
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included and represented within

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our county. I have a couple of

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people that I want to ask to

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00:42:47,292 --> 00:42:50,375
come up. Obviously my wife, eva

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00:42:50,375 --> 00:42:51,999
casa sarmiento, somebody who's

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going to be addressing this as

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well, my colleague on the

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caloptima board of directors,

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maura byron. Maura is the

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executive director of the family

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00:43:00,709 --> 00:43:01,999
support network which offers

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00:43:01,999 --> 00:43:04,375
resources for family and

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00:43:04,375 --> 00:43:05,999
children with social, emotional,

885
00:43:05,999 --> 00:43:07,417
intellectual and physical needs

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00:43:07,417 --> 00:43:08,999
so they can reach their full

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00:43:08,999 --> 00:43:11,399
potential. Maura is nags

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00:43:11,999 --> 00:43:14,292
pate -- passionate about

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00:43:14,292 --> 00:43:16,959
addressing the gaps as a family

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00:43:16,959 --> 00:43:18,830
member in care for vulnerable

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00:43:18,830 --> 00:43:19,459
community members and advocating

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00:43:19,459 --> 00:43:21,859
for parent caregivers. Maura

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00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:26,250
was appointed to the caloptima

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00:43:26,584 --> 00:43:28,984
health board in december 2023

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and is the vice-chair -- became

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the vice care in january 2026.

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00:43:35,999 --> 00:43:38,125
maura is the first person in

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00:43:38,125 --> 00:43:39,375
leadership at the board of

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00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,876
directors of caloptima who is a

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00:43:41,876 --> 00:43:43,542
family member, and that is very

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00:43:43,542 --> 00:43:44,125
important because she brings

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00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:45,959
lived experience as guidance to

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00:43:45,959 --> 00:43:48,584
our board. I also want to

904
00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,959
recognize larry land daughter

905
00:43:50,959 --> 00:43:53,959
who oversees our regional center

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00:43:53,999 --> 00:43:55,709
here in orange county. Lawyer

907
00:43:55,709 --> 00:43:57,834
landauer. Thank you, larry. If

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00:43:57,834 --> 00:43:59,250
you're here, please join us.

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00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:03,000
and also the president of the oc

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00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
autism foundation, julie diep,

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00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,250
she also is the executive

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00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:08,459
director there and oversees

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00:44:08,459 --> 00:44:10,292
speech therapy clinic,

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00:44:10,292 --> 00:44:11,959
disability advocacy center and

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00:44:11,959 --> 00:44:13,959
the community integration

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00:44:13,959 --> 00:44:14,250
program. Thank you so much,

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00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:16,999
julie, for being here as well.

918
00:44:16,999 --> 00:44:17,999
so please join us. Thank you

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00:44:17,999 --> 00:44:20,999
for everybody that does tireless

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00:44:21,751 --> 00:44:23,167
work in this area, for making

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00:44:23,167 --> 00:44:25,667
sure that everybody living with

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a disability, whether it be

923
00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:29,626
developmental, intellectual,

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00:44:29,626 --> 00:44:32,417
that we continue working strong

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00:44:32,417 --> 00:44:34,667
together to make sure that our

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00:44:34,667 --> 00:44:35,459
county, our state and our

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00:44:35,459 --> 00:44:39,590
country do better. And there is

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a lot of room for improvement.

929
00:44:40,999 --> 00:44:42,250
I know with the advocates behind

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00:44:42,250 --> 00:44:43,999
me, I know we'll get there. So

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I will turn this over to

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vice-chair foley. And thank you

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00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:48,792
all for joining us again.

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thanks.

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00:44:49,501 --> 00:44:51,501
[ applause ]

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00:44:51,709 --> 00:44:52,709
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: good

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00:44:52,709 --> 00:44:53,999
morning, I'm katrina foley,

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county supervisor. And thank

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00:44:55,375 --> 00:44:58,334
you to supervisor sarmiento for

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00:44:58,334 --> 00:44:59,999
bringing forward this resolution

941
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to recognize the 2026

942
00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:03,918
developmental disabilities

943
00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:06,167
awareness month. And as you

944
00:45:06,167 --> 00:45:07,709
mentioned, the theme this year

945
00:45:07,709 --> 00:45:11,309
is "we're here, then, now, and

946
00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:13,775
always." and this theme

947
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reflects the legacy of progress.

948
00:45:14,709 --> 00:45:17,709
as somebody whose family has

949
00:45:17,918 --> 00:45:19,999
been involved in the work to

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00:45:19,999 --> 00:45:21,999
support individuals with

951
00:45:22,417 --> 00:45:23,792
developmental disabilities for

952
00:45:23,792 --> 00:45:26,792
many years, my father-in-law was

953
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first hired to work at the

954
00:45:29,999 --> 00:45:31,792
fairview developmental center in

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costa mesa. My husband grew up

956
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,999
in a little house right there on

957
00:45:35,999 --> 00:45:38,999
the site, and it wasn't unusual

958
00:45:38,999 --> 00:45:40,584
to see him out playing

959
00:45:40,584 --> 00:45:43,584
basketball with the clients, and

960
00:45:45,999 --> 00:45:46,918
their family is a big part of

961
00:45:46,918 --> 00:45:48,417
that community. And as that

962
00:45:48,417 --> 00:45:50,000
community has transitioned and

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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,375
the fairview developmental

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00:45:51,375 --> 00:45:52,999
scheidt been closed, the

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00:45:52,999 --> 00:45:54,751
community still remains. There

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00:45:54,751 --> 00:45:56,959
are individuals who are living

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00:45:56,959 --> 00:45:59,209
in the apartments and living

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00:45:59,209 --> 00:46:01,999
independently. And as part of

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00:46:01,999 --> 00:46:02,167
the planning for the future,

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00:46:02,167 --> 00:46:05,830
there will be another community

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00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:06,626
built right there at the

972
00:46:06,626 --> 00:46:08,334
fairview developmental center.

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00:46:08,334 --> 00:46:10,334
the developmental disabilities

974
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:12,125
awareness month was first

975
00:46:12,125 --> 00:46:14,525
established in 1987 by president

976
00:46:15,334 --> 00:46:17,542
reagan. So this month we

977
00:46:17,542 --> 00:46:18,999
continue to highlight the more

978
00:46:18,999 --> 00:46:20,999
than 28,000 county residents,

979
00:46:21,209 --> 00:46:23,609
who live with developmental

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00:46:23,709 --> 00:46:25,959
disabilities. And in district 5

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00:46:25,959 --> 00:46:26,792
I want to recognize some of the

982
00:46:26,792 --> 00:46:28,292
transformative programs that we

983
00:46:28,292 --> 00:46:31,892
have in our district. In costa

984
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:34,525
mesa, the nonprofit project

985
00:46:35,918 --> 00:46:36,876
independence, it provides

986
00:46:36,876 --> 00:46:38,876
in-home, workplace and

987
00:46:38,959 --> 00:46:40,417
community-based services, and

988
00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:43,751
every year at winkle park you

989
00:46:43,751 --> 00:46:45,667
can join us for a walk around

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00:46:45,667 --> 00:46:47,250
park for independence and help

991
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:48,999
support and meet many of their

992
00:46:48,999 --> 00:46:50,459
clients, who are living

993
00:46:50,459 --> 00:46:52,999
independently. We have the shea

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00:46:52,999 --> 00:46:55,751
center at san juan capistrano

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00:46:55,751 --> 00:46:57,292
that seeks to improve whether I

996
00:46:57,292 --> 00:46:58,876
was people with disabilities

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00:46:58,876 --> 00:47:00,501
through equine therapy. They

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00:47:00,501 --> 00:47:02,626
are making magic there at the

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00:47:02,626 --> 00:47:04,999
shea center. And then one of my

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00:47:04,999 --> 00:47:07,292
favorite surf and turf therapy

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00:47:07,292 --> 00:47:10,292
out of san juan capistrano.

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00:47:10,459 --> 00:47:13,459
their clients can participate in

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00:47:14,417 --> 00:47:16,375
surfing and riding horses,

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00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:17,999
equine therapy, to build

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00:47:17,999 --> 00:47:19,834
strength, disability and

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00:47:19,834 --> 00:47:21,125
confidence through horseback

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00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:24,125
riding and surfing lessons. And

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00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:27,999
another favorite -- and I

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00:47:27,999 --> 00:47:30,125
believe we have a guest here

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00:47:30,125 --> 00:47:31,792
today, tommy stevens a teacher

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00:47:31,792 --> 00:47:33,626
and an education specialist. Is

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00:47:33,626 --> 00:47:34,999
tommy here? Okay. Come on up,

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00:47:34,999 --> 00:47:38,999
tommy. It says tom. I know him

1014
00:47:38,999 --> 00:47:40,999
as tommy because I've known him

1015
00:47:40,999 --> 00:47:42,709
for a long time. His dad is

1016
00:47:42,709 --> 00:47:44,792
mayor of costa mesa, and he

1017
00:47:44,792 --> 00:47:46,501
helps with rad camp in irvine.

1018
00:47:46,501 --> 00:47:47,999
they offer vibrant summer camp

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00:47:47,999 --> 00:47:49,542
program force children and

1020
00:47:49,542 --> 00:47:50,999
adults living with developmental

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00:47:50,999 --> 00:47:53,399
disabilities. And while tom

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00:47:53,501 --> 00:47:55,417
stevens works during the school

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00:47:55,417 --> 00:47:57,167
year as a special education

1024
00:47:57,167 --> 00:48:00,767
teacher, he -- during the summer

1025
00:48:00,918 --> 00:48:03,334
and in many parts of his life,

1026
00:48:03,334 --> 00:48:06,334
volunteers to continue to sport

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00:48:07,830 --> 00:48:08,918
community. So we must honor the

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00:48:08,918 --> 00:48:10,999
past, recognize the present and

1029
00:48:10,999 --> 00:48:12,417
recommit to the future, a future

1030
00:48:12,417 --> 00:48:13,959
where everyone belongs and

1031
00:48:13,959 --> 00:48:16,459
everyone has access, then, now,

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00:48:16,459 --> 00:48:18,834
and always. Thank you.

1033
00:48:18,834 --> 00:48:20,834
[ applause ]

1034
00:48:31,918 --> 00:48:32,751
>>speaker: good morning. Thank

1035
00:48:32,751 --> 00:48:33,876
you for recognizing

1036
00:48:33,876 --> 00:48:34,542
developmental disabilities

1037
00:48:34,542 --> 00:48:36,417
awareness month and for your

1038
00:48:36,417 --> 00:48:37,918
continued leadership in

1039
00:48:37,918 --> 00:48:39,459
supporting children and families

1040
00:48:39,459 --> 00:48:40,999
across orange county. My name

1041
00:48:40,999 --> 00:48:43,000
is maura byron and I'm the

1042
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,999
executive director of family

1043
00:48:43,999 --> 00:48:45,459
support network. For more than

1044
00:48:45,459 --> 00:48:46,999
40 years our organization has

1045
00:48:46,999 --> 00:48:47,999
supported families raising

1046
00:48:47,999 --> 00:48:49,999
children and adults with

1047
00:48:49,999 --> 00:48:51,999
developmental disabilities and

1048
00:48:52,209 --> 00:48:53,751
complex medical needs. We are

1049
00:48:53,751 --> 00:48:55,167
founded by parents who met in

1050
00:48:55,167 --> 00:48:57,834
the neonatal intensive care unit

1051
00:48:57,834 --> 00:49:00,830
and recognized as they prepared

1052
00:49:00,830 --> 00:49:01,876
to leave the hospital that while

1053
00:49:01,876 --> 00:49:03,000
their children that were being

1054
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,834
discharged, the support that

1055
00:49:04,834 --> 00:49:06,250
they needed was far less clear.

1056
00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:08,751
they came together to help one

1057
00:49:08,751 --> 00:49:10,167
another navigate a very complex

1058
00:49:10,167 --> 00:49:12,250
system of care, and that spirit

1059
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:12,999
continues to guide our work

1060
00:49:12,999 --> 00:49:14,459
today. My connection to this

1061
00:49:14,459 --> 00:49:16,167
work is both professional and

1062
00:49:16,167 --> 00:49:18,567
extremely personal. I join

1063
00:49:18,667 --> 00:49:21,670
family support network 19 years

1064
00:49:21,751 --> 00:49:22,999
ago as a parent mentor. My

1065
00:49:22,999 --> 00:49:24,542
husband and I have raised three

1066
00:49:24,542 --> 00:49:25,542
children, and our youngest

1067
00:49:25,542 --> 00:49:26,999
daughter, now an adult, lives

1068
00:49:26,999 --> 00:49:28,999
with cerebral palsy,

1069
00:49:29,167 --> 00:49:30,999
developmental delays and

1070
00:49:30,999 --> 00:49:32,417
extremely complex medical needs.

1071
00:49:32,417 --> 00:49:34,501
that experience has given me a

1072
00:49:34,501 --> 00:49:35,999
practical understanding of the

1073
00:49:35,999 --> 00:49:37,876
challenges that families face,

1074
00:49:37,876 --> 00:49:39,959
not only emotionally but in

1075
00:49:39,959 --> 00:49:41,959
coordinating care, accessing

1076
00:49:42,334 --> 00:49:43,876
services and planning for the

1077
00:49:43,876 --> 00:49:46,125
future. Today family support

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00:49:46,125 --> 00:49:48,459
network provides a variety of

1079
00:49:48,459 --> 00:49:49,209
programs and services reaching

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00:49:49,209 --> 00:49:51,209
nearly 2000 families across

1081
00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:52,834
orange county every year.

1082
00:49:52,834 --> 00:49:54,501
through our reach program,

1083
00:49:54,501 --> 00:49:56,501
resources, education, advocacy

1084
00:49:57,417 --> 00:50:00,000
and caring health and in

1085
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,667
partnership with the regional

1086
00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:02,830
center of orange county, we

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00:50:02,830 --> 00:50:03,584
provide hands-on navigation,

1088
00:50:03,584 --> 00:50:05,584
developmental screenings,

1089
00:50:06,834 --> 00:50:07,417
behavioral coaching and access

1090
00:50:07,417 --> 00:50:08,999
to tools such as communication

1091
00:50:08,999 --> 00:50:10,751
devices, helping families

1092
00:50:10,751 --> 00:50:12,876
connect to the right resources

1093
00:50:12,876 --> 00:50:15,830
as early as possible. What we

1094
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:17,334
consistently see is that

1095
00:50:17,334 --> 00:50:18,999
families are doing an incredible

1096
00:50:18,999 --> 00:50:20,834
job, managing complex needs.

1097
00:50:20,834 --> 00:50:22,999
but they benefit greatly from

1098
00:50:22,999 --> 00:50:25,399
clear guidance and coordinated

1099
00:50:25,999 --> 00:50:26,876
support. When families can more

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00:50:26,876 --> 00:50:28,292
easily access services and

1101
00:50:28,292 --> 00:50:30,501
understand their options, they

1102
00:50:30,501 --> 00:50:32,209
are better able to plan, stay

1103
00:50:32,209 --> 00:50:34,292
ahead of challenges, and focus

1104
00:50:34,292 --> 00:50:35,999
on their child's growth and

1105
00:50:35,999 --> 00:50:38,399
development. That's the role

1106
00:50:38,999 --> 00:50:40,542
family support network is proud

1107
00:50:40,542 --> 00:50:42,125
to play. By working alongside

1108
00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:43,667
families and in partnerships

1109
00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:45,209
with systems like the regional

1110
00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:46,876
center, we help make support

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00:50:46,876 --> 00:50:48,125
more accessible, more

1112
00:50:48,125 --> 00:50:50,525
coordinated and more effective.

1113
00:50:51,830 --> 00:50:52,999
together we have the opportunity

1114
00:50:52,999 --> 00:50:54,417
to continue strengthening a

1115
00:50:54,417 --> 00:50:57,417
system that works, one that

1116
00:50:57,501 --> 00:50:58,792
ensures that families feel

1117
00:50:58,792 --> 00:50:59,876
supported, informed and

1118
00:50:59,876 --> 00:51:02,667
connected every step of the way.

1119
00:51:02,667 --> 00:51:04,375
thank you so much.

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[ applause ]

1121
00:52:29,334 --> 00:52:29,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: that

1122
00:52:29,999 --> 00:52:30,999
concludes this morning's

1123
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presentations. We'll begin our

1124
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:35,626
regular board meeting in about

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10 minutes.

1126
01:05:27,292 --> 01:05:27,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: good

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01:05:27,999 --> 01:05:30,125
morning, everyone. If you

1128
01:05:30,125 --> 01:05:30,999
considering please find a seat

1129
01:05:30,999 --> 01:05:34,420
so we can get to our regular

1130
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:36,999
meeting. Welcome all of to you

1131
01:05:36,999 --> 01:05:39,999
our board meeting this morning.

1132
01:05:42,709 --> 01:05:43,959
today we'll begin with the

1133
01:05:43,959 --> 01:05:46,375
invocations to be offered by

1134
01:05:46,375 --> 01:05:47,751
supervisor wagner to be followed

1135
01:05:47,751 --> 01:05:49,709
by the pledge of allegiance led

1136
01:05:49,709 --> 01:05:51,918
by vice-chair foley. Please

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stand if you're able...

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>>don wagner: dear heavenly

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father, may your people

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01:06:01,792 --> 01:06:03,999
persevere in obedience to your

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01:06:03,999 --> 01:06:05,417
will so that through this

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01:06:05,417 --> 01:06:07,125
obedience we may grow in your

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01:06:07,125 --> 01:06:08,792
grace and increase in wisdom.

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01:06:08,792 --> 01:06:11,417
we ask this through your holy

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01:06:11,417 --> 01:06:13,417
name, amen.

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd

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01:06:15,999 --> 01:06:18,147
like to invite brandon denowics

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01:06:18,147 --> 01:06:20,328
[phonetics], who is a

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01:06:20,328 --> 01:06:22,750
representative at our orange

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01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:23,999
county transit authority in the

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01:06:23,999 --> 01:06:25,501
bus operations division, he's

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01:06:25,501 --> 01:06:26,999
also an orange county native and

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01:06:26,999 --> 01:06:28,751
earned his bachelor of arts in

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01:06:28,751 --> 01:06:30,876
music from the university of red

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01:06:30,876 --> 01:06:31,709
lands, and he will sing the

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01:06:31,709 --> 01:06:33,999
national anthem with us, and

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01:06:33,999 --> 01:06:37,293
then we will say the pledge.

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01:06:37,293 --> 01:06:39,293
national anthem 777

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[ applause ]

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

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you, brandon. Bravo. Please

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01:08:10,626 --> 01:08:12,250
see with me...

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I pledge allegiance to my flag

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to the united states of america

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and to the republic for which it

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01:08:17,999 --> 01:08:19,999
stands, one nation, under god,

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indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

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you, supervisors wagner and

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foley, also brandon for singing

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01:08:32,959 --> 01:08:36,559
the national anthem. Just a few

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01:08:36,584 --> 01:08:38,984
reminders for today's meeting.

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please use the main entrance

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01:08:41,999 --> 01:08:43,709
when entering and leaving the

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01:08:43,709 --> 01:08:45,918
room because all other doors are

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01:08:45,918 --> 01:08:47,999
alarmed and for emergency exit

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01:08:47,999 --> 01:08:51,167
only. Please set all phones to

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01:08:51,167 --> 01:08:54,767
"mute" or vibrate at this time

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and for the duration of the

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meeting. The changes to today's

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01:09:01,751 --> 01:09:02,751
agenda along with agendas and

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01:09:02,751 --> 01:09:04,999
requests to speak are located in

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01:09:04,999 --> 01:09:06,501
the lobby just outside the

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01:09:06,501 --> 01:09:07,918
boardroom. The board will be

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01:09:07,918 --> 01:09:09,751
breaking for lunch around the

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noon hour at which time we'll

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01:09:11,167 --> 01:09:14,830
also recess to closed session.

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if you need a parking validation

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01:09:17,167 --> 01:09:19,292
for the p4 parking lot, please

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01:09:19,292 --> 01:09:20,292
see the deputy clerk next to the

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01:09:20,292 --> 01:09:21,999
podium, and you'll get a

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01:09:21,999 --> 01:09:24,876
validation card. We will now

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01:09:24,876 --> 01:09:25,876
move to the agenda for this

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morning's meeting. Agenda

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contains a brief description of

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each item to be considered

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except as otherwise provided by

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law such an emergency, no action

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01:09:38,999 --> 01:09:41,417
shall be taken on any item not

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01:09:41,417 --> 01:09:43,830
appearing on the agenda. Agenda

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01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:44,999
is divided into sections. All

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01:09:44,999 --> 01:09:45,751
matters on the consent calendar

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01:09:45,751 --> 01:09:48,751
are approved by one motion

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01:09:48,792 --> 01:09:50,830
unless a board member or member

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01:09:50,830 --> 01:09:52,584
of the public request a separate

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01:09:52,584 --> 01:09:54,918
action on a specific item. If

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01:09:54,918 --> 01:09:56,830
you wish to address the board,

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01:09:56,830 --> 01:09:57,830
please complete a speaker

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01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:59,334
request form located in the

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01:09:59,334 --> 01:10:01,709
lobby outside the boardroom. To

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01:10:01,709 --> 01:10:02,542
ensure the smooth conduct in the

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01:10:02,542 --> 01:10:04,751
meeting, speaker request forms

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01:10:04,751 --> 01:10:06,167
must be turned in prior to the

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beginning of the item being

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01:10:07,999 --> 01:10:09,999
considered, whether it be the

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01:10:09,999 --> 01:10:10,918
consent calendar, the reading of

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individual items or the

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01:10:11,626 --> 01:10:14,260
beginning of public comments.

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speakers may address the board

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01:10:15,542 --> 01:10:16,999
on up to three occasions with

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01:10:16,999 --> 01:10:19,399
three minutes allot per

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01:10:20,876 --> 01:10:22,292
occasion. When are you called

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01:10:22,292 --> 01:10:24,501
to speak, please step to the

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01:10:24,501 --> 01:10:25,626
podium, we ask that you state

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01:10:25,626 --> 01:10:27,420
your name and city and residents

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for the record. The green light

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means have you three minutes.

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the light changes to yellow when

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01:10:39,292 --> 01:10:40,999
have you 1 minute, and the red

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01:10:40,999 --> 01:10:43,999
light means your time has

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01:10:44,459 --> 01:10:46,167
expired. We ask that you

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01:10:46,167 --> 01:10:47,542
observe the lights so that all

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01:10:47,542 --> 01:10:48,417
who wish to speak have the

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01:10:48,417 --> 01:10:49,918
opportunity do so. When

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01:10:49,918 --> 01:10:50,999
addressing the board, please

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01:10:50,999 --> 01:10:52,999
address the board as a whole

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01:10:52,999 --> 01:10:55,999
through the chair. . I'll ask

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01:10:57,918 --> 01:10:59,420
the clerk if you've identified

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01:10:59,420 --> 01:11:00,542
any changes to the agenda or

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01:11:00,542 --> 01:11:03,250
requests to receive from the

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01:11:03,250 --> 01:11:05,209
public to pull an item for the

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01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:05,999
consent calendar.

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01:11:05,999 --> 01:11:08,999
>>clerk, robin stieler: on the

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01:11:08,999 --> 01:11:09,959
discussion calendar, items 13

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01:11:09,959 --> 01:11:10,999
and 29 have both been continued

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01:11:10,999 --> 01:11:13,399
to april 14th, be 2026, 9:30

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01:11:14,292 --> 01:11:15,999
a.m. And the public has

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01:11:15,999 --> 01:11:16,999
requested to pull item 1 from

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01:11:16,999 --> 01:11:18,999
the consent calendar.

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01:11:18,999 --> 01:11:19,830
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

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01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:22,000
right. And I have received a

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,000
number of requests for priority,

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01:11:26,999 --> 01:11:29,999
that it be heard immediately

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01:11:29,999 --> 01:11:31,125
after consent calendar. There

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01:11:31,125 --> 01:11:32,999
are so many, I kind of did my

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01:11:32,999 --> 01:11:34,751
own re-jumbling a little bit. I

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01:11:34,751 --> 01:11:36,000
had like four different

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,834
requests. So after consent

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calendar, we'll then go to item

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32, and that will be next to

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supplement 31c, supplement 31d,

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01:11:46,999 --> 01:11:49,399
supplement 31e, supplement 31f,

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and supplement 31g, and then we

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01:11:52,292 --> 01:11:53,792
can come back to item 11. So

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that's the order in which we

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01:11:55,334 --> 01:11:56,999
intend to move unless a member

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01:11:56,999 --> 01:11:58,834
of the board objects. I see

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01:11:58,834 --> 01:12:01,830
none. And I would please be

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01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:02,999
mindful, I had multiple requests

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01:12:02,999 --> 01:12:06,599
for jumbling the order. We have

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01:12:08,375 --> 01:12:10,459
a request to hear -- supervisor

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01:12:10,459 --> 01:12:12,167
sarmiento, did you wish to pull

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01:12:12,167 --> 01:12:13,667
an item.

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01:12:13,667 --> 01:12:14,999
>>vincente sarmiento: simply

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make a comment on item no. 8,

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when that moment comes after we

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approve --

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>>chair, doug chaffee: you want

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just to make your comment.

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>>vincente sarmiento: yes.

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01:12:27,417 --> 01:12:28,918
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

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01:12:28,918 --> 01:12:29,830
objection to approving the

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01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:31,209
remaining items? If you'd like

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01:12:31,209 --> 01:12:32,959
to make a comment, then we'll go

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to item 1 which has a speaker

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01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:35,999
request.

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>>vincente sarmiento: briefly I

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want to thank doug becht and his

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team, everybody who worked on

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01:12:40,542 --> 01:12:42,667
the commission to address

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homelessness annual report for

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2025. As the outgoing chair of

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the commission to address

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homelessness, I'm pleased to

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comment on this item and

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highlight work that has been

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done by the commission. The

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report provides a clear summary

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of the commission's work and

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01:12:58,209 --> 01:13:00,167
accomplishments that highlights

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four areas, structure,

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01:13:01,125 --> 01:13:02,000
continuing initiatives,

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,125
collaboration and legislative

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01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,918
engagement. In terms of

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structure, the commission

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01:13:05,876 --> 01:13:07,999
updated its bylaws, clarified

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01:13:07,999 --> 01:13:10,830
its mission and my duties,

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01:13:10,830 --> 01:13:11,250
strengthened recruitment and

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01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:13,459
added a commissioner spotlight

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01:13:13,459 --> 01:13:14,000
to share individual

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:14,999
contributions. Continuing

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01:13:14,999 --> 01:13:15,834
initiatives included the

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01:13:15,834 --> 01:13:17,834
small-scale housing report,

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01:13:17,959 --> 01:13:19,626
which we believe is going to be

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01:13:19,626 --> 01:13:21,999
one more part of the housing

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01:13:21,999 --> 01:13:23,417
inventory that we need to make

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01:13:23,417 --> 01:13:25,918
sure people have a path from

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01:13:25,918 --> 01:13:27,334
shelters to permanent supportive

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01:13:27,334 --> 01:13:28,834
housing. That is a very, very

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01:13:28,834 --> 01:13:31,834
gaping absence between those two

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01:13:33,334 --> 01:13:34,999
polar ends, shelters and

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01:13:34,999 --> 01:13:36,667
permanent supportive housing.

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we also supported the warm

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01:13:39,459 --> 01:13:40,918
program, which was the motel

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01:13:40,918 --> 01:13:42,999
vouchers, for students and

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01:13:42,999 --> 01:13:45,999
families in our five unified

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01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:47,209
school districts that have

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01:13:47,209 --> 01:13:49,417
access to shelter when the

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rain -- rainy and cold season

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01:13:52,417 --> 01:13:54,420
are here. Also updates on the

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homeless prevention

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01:13:55,417 --> 01:13:57,817
stabilization program, we have

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01:13:57,834 --> 01:13:59,501
to now all of our slots filled,

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01:13:59,501 --> 01:14:01,626
families that are now receiving

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support, not only funding, but

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services to make sure that they

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01:14:06,250 --> 01:14:09,250
are not suffering from unlawful

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01:14:09,999 --> 01:14:11,834
detainers and evictions, and

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01:14:11,834 --> 01:14:14,626
they all seem to be so far doing

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01:14:14,626 --> 01:14:16,420
well in the program. On

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01:14:16,420 --> 01:14:17,420
collaboration, the commission

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01:14:17,420 --> 01:14:19,999
has partnered with continuum of

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01:14:19,999 --> 01:14:22,334
care board on the 2025 homeless

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01:14:22,334 --> 01:14:23,334
survey to review and discuss the

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01:14:23,334 --> 01:14:24,876
pace at which our residents are

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01:14:24,876 --> 01:14:26,250
entering homelessness and the

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01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:26,999
causes behind that. Respect

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01:14:26,999 --> 01:14:29,999
to -- with respect to

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01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:30,999
legislation, commissioners

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01:14:30,999 --> 01:14:33,125
received briefings on the

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01:14:33,125 --> 01:14:33,999
relevant state and federal laws

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01:14:33,999 --> 01:14:36,830
and submitted letters urging

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01:14:36,830 --> 01:14:37,751
collaboration funding for

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01:14:37,751 --> 01:14:40,151
expiring hehv vouchers, renewing

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01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:43,792
coc grants and offering input to

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01:14:43,792 --> 01:14:46,000
the safe task force on

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,400
encampment clean-ups. So this

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report addresses homelessness in

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orange county with dedication

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01:14:51,584 --> 01:14:52,459
and strategic work and

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01:14:52,459 --> 01:14:54,859
collaboration approach. We have

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01:14:55,667 --> 01:14:57,918
a long way to go, much adieu,

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01:14:57,918 --> 01:15:00,709
problems not solved but I

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01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:00,999
believe that the commission's on

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01:15:00,999 --> 01:15:03,792
the right path to making sure

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01:15:03,792 --> 01:15:04,751
and identifying the priorities,

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01:15:04,751 --> 01:15:06,420
especially prevention, knowing

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01:15:06,420 --> 01:15:07,999
that's something that renders

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01:15:07,999 --> 01:15:09,918
results, is cost-effective and

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01:15:09,918 --> 01:15:11,250
efficient. So with that,

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mr. Chair, I'll go ahead and

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01:15:12,999 --> 01:15:14,417
pass it to you.

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01:15:14,417 --> 01:15:14,876
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

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01:15:14,876 --> 01:15:15,999
for comments. Now we go back to

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01:15:15,999 --> 01:15:18,375
consent calendar item 1, we have

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01:15:18,375 --> 01:15:19,830
a request from a member of the

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01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:22,830
public. Madam clerk, would you

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01:15:22,167 --> 01:15:22,999
please call that member of the

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public.

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01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:31,334
>>clerk, robin stieler: 1. Under

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01:15:31,334 --> 01:15:32,420
chair chaffee - commission to

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01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:32,999
address homelessness - reappoint

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01:15:32,999 --> 01:15:33,876
gina cunningham orange, kelly

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01:15:33,876 --> 01:15:34,501
bruno-nelson, long beach, for

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01:15:34,501 --> 01:15:35,417
terms ending 4/14/28; appoint

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01:15:35,417 --> 01:15:36,000
adam foster, la habra, for term

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:36,959
ending 4/14/28; and approve

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waiver of residency

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01:15:37,542 --> 01:15:37,667
requirements.

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01:15:37,667 --> 01:15:41,209
and we have two requests to

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01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:42,999
speak, paul hayek and david

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01:15:42,999 --> 01:15:44,999
duran.

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01:15:55,515 --> 01:15:57,515
>>speaker: good morning,

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01:15:58,417 --> 01:16:00,667
council, chair people. On this

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01:16:00,667 --> 01:16:03,584
we need to get rid of the "no

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01:16:03,584 --> 01:16:06,000
walk-in" rule for the homeless

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,999
shelters to get those that are

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01:16:07,999 --> 01:16:09,876
not families often street

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01:16:09,876 --> 01:16:12,999
because I have a friend who got

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01:16:12,999 --> 01:16:15,209
two tickets for camping.

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01:16:15,209 --> 01:16:15,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: sir this

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01:16:15,999 --> 01:16:17,584
is about appointments.

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01:16:17,584 --> 01:16:20,584
>>speaker: we need make sure

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01:16:20,999 --> 01:16:22,626
that whoever we appoint looks at

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01:16:22,626 --> 01:16:25,626
places like bridges and kraemer,

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01:16:25,999 --> 01:16:28,999
la mesa, the homeless shelters.

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01:16:30,584 --> 01:16:33,417
that would help those that are

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01:16:33,417 --> 01:16:34,959
not family members to get off

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01:16:34,959 --> 01:16:36,792
the street, and let's give them

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01:16:36,792 --> 01:16:38,751
jobs while they're in the

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01:16:38,751 --> 01:16:39,999
shelters.

1413
01:16:39,999 --> 01:16:40,417
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1414
01:16:40,417 --> 01:16:41,999
you.

1415
01:16:41,999 --> 01:16:43,751
>>clerk, robin stieler: last

1416
01:16:43,751 --> 01:16:45,420
speaker is david duran.

1417
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:45,876
>>chair, doug chaffee: may I

1418
01:16:45,876 --> 01:16:47,167
have a motion on item 1.

1419
01:16:47,167 --> 01:16:47,417
>>clerk, robin stieler:

1420
01:16:47,417 --> 01:16:49,626
mr. Chair, one more speaker.

1421
01:16:49,626 --> 01:16:50,375
>>chair, doug chaffee: sorry.

1422
01:16:50,375 --> 01:16:51,209
go ahead.

1423
01:16:51,209 --> 01:16:52,420
>>clerk, robin stieler: last

1424
01:16:52,420 --> 01:16:54,417
speaker is david duran.

1425
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:57,375
>>speaker: I would like to first

1426
01:16:57,375 --> 01:17:00,375
preface the idea that the

1427
01:17:01,292 --> 01:17:02,542
supervisor, or at least three of

1428
01:17:02,542 --> 01:17:04,542
the supervisors, recognized

1429
01:17:04,999 --> 01:17:07,399
community today. Thank you.

1430
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:15,125
part 2 is -- has to do directly

1431
01:17:15,125 --> 01:17:18,125
with the appointments of the

1432
01:17:18,999 --> 01:17:21,167
commission to address -- really

1433
01:17:21,167 --> 01:17:24,167
should be end homelessness --

1434
01:17:26,626 --> 01:17:29,260
but address homelessness. And

1435
01:17:29,292 --> 01:17:30,999
I'm in strong opposition that,

1436
01:17:30,999 --> 01:17:31,250
unless the commission has

1437
01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:33,650
changed something, that district

1438
01:17:35,709 --> 01:17:37,959
attorney spitzer sits on that

1439
01:17:37,959 --> 01:17:40,359
commission, already convicted of

1440
01:17:43,542 --> 01:17:45,542
sexual harassment multiple

1441
01:17:45,667 --> 01:17:46,501
times. Has cost the county

1442
01:17:46,501 --> 01:17:47,999
millions of dollars in legal

1443
01:17:47,999 --> 01:17:50,999
fees, and yet you recognize him

1444
01:17:50,999 --> 01:17:54,599
as a leader. He's voiced his

1445
01:17:54,999 --> 01:17:57,999
opinion during meetings that he

1446
01:17:58,501 --> 01:18:01,501
is a proponent of treatment

1447
01:18:01,999 --> 01:18:04,999
first, not housing first. I

1448
01:18:08,584 --> 01:18:09,459
don't believe is qualified to

1449
01:18:09,459 --> 01:18:13,590
sit on that commission. If you

1450
01:18:13,999 --> 01:18:17,999
don't have the guts or the power

1451
01:18:17,999 --> 01:18:21,830
to remove him, at least state

1452
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:22,999
so, at least verbalize to the

1453
01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:25,999
public, tell the public that

1454
01:18:27,999 --> 01:18:28,918
you're asking for his

1455
01:18:28,918 --> 01:18:32,167
resignation because of who he is

1456
01:18:32,167 --> 01:18:34,999
and how he's conducted himself.

1457
01:18:34,999 --> 01:18:36,876
I would hope that everybody on

1458
01:18:36,876 --> 01:18:39,292
that commission is a better

1459
01:18:39,292 --> 01:18:41,250
citizen than our district

1460
01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:44,850
attorney has proven that he is.

1461
01:18:44,999 --> 01:18:47,999
secondly, I'm hoping that sb-707

1462
01:18:49,999 --> 01:18:50,999
is implemented for that

1463
01:18:50,999 --> 01:18:52,999
meeting --

1464
01:18:53,167 --> 01:18:55,250
>>don wagner: mr. Chairman, this

1465
01:18:55,250 --> 01:18:57,584
is the appointment, good or bad

1466
01:18:57,584 --> 01:18:59,167
of ms. Cunningham, not

1467
01:18:59,167 --> 01:19:01,501
mr. Spitzer or anything else

1468
01:19:01,501 --> 01:19:03,830
being done by council. I move

1469
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:04,751
the order of the day.

1470
01:19:04,751 --> 01:19:04,876
>>chair, doug chaffee: are you

1471
01:19:04,876 --> 01:19:06,834
referring to one of the people

1472
01:19:06,834 --> 01:19:08,501
up for appointment? Who are you

1473
01:19:08,501 --> 01:19:08,999
talking about?

1474
01:19:08,999 --> 01:19:09,671
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

1475
01:19:09,671 --> 01:19:11,215
there's only one person.

1476
01:19:11,215 --> 01:19:12,400
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is

1477
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:13,167
item 1 on the consent calendar.

1478
01:19:13,167 --> 01:19:15,292
>>speaker: again, it's -- it has

1479
01:19:15,292 --> 01:19:16,250
to do with the commission to

1480
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:18,209
address homelessness and the

1481
01:19:18,209 --> 01:19:20,000
people that have been appointed.

1482
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:20,834
>>chair, doug chaffee: but

1483
01:19:20,834 --> 01:19:22,125
that's not on the agenda. This

1484
01:19:22,125 --> 01:19:23,844
is appointment of people to the

1485
01:19:23,844 --> 01:19:24,694
commission.

1486
01:19:24,694 --> 01:19:25,375
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: it's

1487
01:19:25,375 --> 01:19:26,999
three specific people.

1488
01:19:26,999 --> 01:19:27,876
>>speaker: thank you for your

1489
01:19:27,876 --> 01:19:28,480
lack of interest.

1490
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:29,250
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1491
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:31,250
you. All right.

1492
01:19:32,999 --> 01:19:33,999
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

1493
01:19:33,999 --> 01:19:36,399
further speakers, mr. Chair.

1494
01:19:36,516 --> 01:19:36,999
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1495
01:19:36,999 --> 01:19:38,999
supervisor sarmiento.

1496
01:19:39,209 --> 01:19:39,999
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank

1497
01:19:39,999 --> 01:19:41,167
you, I'll be supporting the

1498
01:19:41,167 --> 01:19:43,667
appointments, and I think just

1499
01:19:43,667 --> 01:19:44,417
to clarify the appointments that

1500
01:19:44,417 --> 01:19:46,751
are being considered today, gina

1501
01:19:46,751 --> 01:19:48,167
cunningham from orange, she's

1502
01:19:48,167 --> 01:19:49,834
the executive director of

1503
01:19:49,834 --> 01:19:52,830
homemade of orange county,

1504
01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:52,999
los angeles and also kelley

1505
01:19:52,999 --> 01:19:55,399
bruno-nelson from long beach.

1506
01:19:56,999 --> 01:19:58,999
her term -- she is the executive

1507
01:19:58,999 --> 01:20:02,599
director of cal-aim and also an

1508
01:20:02,834 --> 01:20:04,292
employee at caloptima and it's

1509
01:20:04,292 --> 01:20:06,830
also to appoint anna foster with

1510
01:20:06,830 --> 01:20:09,830
the la hambra police department,

1511
01:20:09,167 --> 01:20:10,667
adam foster, he is a police

1512
01:20:10,667 --> 01:20:12,250
chief, as well. Those are the

1513
01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:13,830
appointments we are considering.

1514
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:15,999
to mr. Duran's point, the seat

1515
01:20:15,999 --> 01:20:16,876
held by d.a. Spitzer was

1516
01:20:16,876 --> 01:20:18,959
considered by the commission. I

1517
01:20:18,959 --> 01:20:21,375
personally had to struggle and

1518
01:20:21,375 --> 01:20:23,876
ensure that all seats made

1519
01:20:23,876 --> 01:20:25,125
sense, that there was some nexus

1520
01:20:25,125 --> 01:20:26,667
between who was sitting in them

1521
01:20:26,667 --> 01:20:30,267
and the relevance and the effort

1522
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:31,999
and the connection that they

1523
01:20:31,999 --> 01:20:34,459
would have with the mission that

1524
01:20:34,459 --> 01:20:35,999
the commission had. So there

1525
01:20:35,999 --> 01:20:36,876
was that discussion at

1526
01:20:36,876 --> 01:20:39,276
commission with the membership

1527
01:20:40,375 --> 01:20:41,375
ad hoc, as well. So your

1528
01:20:41,375 --> 01:20:43,709
concerns were ones that were

1529
01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:44,999
concerned by others on the

1530
01:20:44,999 --> 01:20:45,959
commission. So it was

1531
01:20:45,959 --> 01:20:47,501
definitely deliberated. But

1532
01:20:47,501 --> 01:20:49,420
today we're just simply looking

1533
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:50,999
at these three appointments.

1534
01:20:50,999 --> 01:20:52,715
and with that, I'll turn it back

1535
01:20:52,715 --> 01:20:53,957
over.

1536
01:20:53,957 --> 01:20:54,542
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1537
01:20:54,542 --> 01:20:55,674
you, supervisor. It's been

1538
01:20:55,674 --> 01:20:56,532
moved and second.

1539
01:20:56,532 --> 01:20:57,815
>>clerk, robin stieler: I have a

1540
01:20:57,815 --> 01:20:59,897
motion by supervisor wagner and

1541
01:20:59,897 --> 01:21:01,332
did I hear a second?

1542
01:21:01,332 --> 01:21:02,606
>>janet nguyen: nguyen.

1543
01:21:02,606 --> 01:21:04,173
>>clerk, robin stieler: all

1544
01:21:04,173 --> 01:21:04,781
right. Thank you.

1545
01:21:04,781 --> 01:21:05,417
>>chair, doug chaffee: motion

1546
01:21:05,417 --> 01:21:06,792
carries. And thankful that we

1547
01:21:06,792 --> 01:21:08,209
have qualified people to serve

1548
01:21:08,209 --> 01:21:10,000
on that commission and there are

1549
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,999
three of them being appointed

1550
01:21:11,999 --> 01:21:14,459
today. Now I'm going to go to

1551
01:21:14,459 --> 01:21:16,334
item 32, which is a public

1552
01:21:16,334 --> 01:21:18,334
hearing. Madam clerk.

1553
01:21:18,869 --> 01:21:19,812
>>clerk, robin stieler: 32.

1554
01:21:19,812 --> 01:21:20,713
under

1555
01:21:20,713 --> 01:21:21,302
county counsel - under

1556
01:21:21,302 --> 01:21:22,120
government

1557
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,542
code section 7283.1, conduct

1558
01:21:23,542 --> 01:21:24,459
public hearing regarding

1559
01:21:24,459 --> 01:21:25,501
transparent review of unjust

1560
01:21:25,501 --> 01:21:27,459
transfers and holds (truth) act;

1561
01:21:27,459 --> 01:21:28,334
and receive and file information

1562
01:21:28,334 --> 01:21:29,772
from county law enforcement

1563
01:21:29,772 --> 01:21:30,712
departments regarding

1564
01:21:30,712 --> 01:21:32,000
immigration

1565
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:32,999
and customs enforcement's access

1566
01:21:32,999 --> 01:21:34,999
to individuals in 2025.

1567
01:21:39,204 --> 01:21:40,417
>>speaker: I'm going to open the

1568
01:21:40,417 --> 01:21:42,417
public hearing.

1569
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:44,542
>>clerk, robin stieler: we have

1570
01:21:44,542 --> 01:21:45,999
received 11 requests.

1571
01:21:45,999 --> 01:21:46,626
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

1572
01:21:46,626 --> 01:21:48,626
call the speakers.

1573
01:21:52,525 --> 01:21:54,925
>>clerk, robin stieler: alice

1574
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,986
soto, david duran and logan

1575
01:21:57,986 --> 01:21:59,986
smith.

1576
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:08,999
>>speaker: good morning,

1577
01:22:08,999 --> 01:22:10,776
supervisors. I have not been to

1578
01:22:10,776 --> 01:22:13,242
one of these before. If there

1579
01:22:13,242 --> 01:22:16,209
has been one, I was interested

1580
01:22:16,209 --> 01:22:19,209
in hearing specifically from the

1581
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,250
sheriff's department on the

1582
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:25,250
process through which the truth

1583
01:22:25,417 --> 01:22:26,999
act interview consent forms are

1584
01:22:26,999 --> 01:22:28,999
done. I have to say when I

1585
01:22:28,999 --> 01:22:29,999
looked at this information, it

1586
01:22:29,999 --> 01:22:32,399
looked pretty clean, pretty

1587
01:22:33,999 --> 01:22:37,459
doable and also it looked like

1588
01:22:37,459 --> 01:22:39,859
the numbers were well-given.

1589
01:22:40,542 --> 01:22:42,999
the reasons for people being

1590
01:22:42,999 --> 01:22:44,999
incarcerated as well. And then

1591
01:22:44,999 --> 01:22:47,709
I asked myself, if I were a

1592
01:22:47,709 --> 01:22:50,667
person who was being asked to go

1593
01:22:50,667 --> 01:22:52,667
through this interview,

1594
01:22:52,999 --> 01:22:55,999
evidently I have a choice, how

1595
01:22:55,999 --> 01:22:58,999
respectful is that choice? I

1596
01:23:00,584 --> 01:23:01,417
notice the forms are in english.

1597
01:23:01,417 --> 01:23:02,999
I would hope that they are in

1598
01:23:02,999 --> 01:23:04,999
other languages. I want to hear

1599
01:23:04,999 --> 01:23:08,999
that. And also the amount of an

1600
01:23:08,999 --> 01:23:09,999
individual would have between

1601
01:23:09,999 --> 01:23:12,209
the time they are given this

1602
01:23:12,209 --> 01:23:14,609
particular information sheet and

1603
01:23:17,417 --> 01:23:19,792
the time that they have to pleat

1604
01:23:19,792 --> 01:23:22,192
it. I'm a highly-educated

1605
01:23:22,999 --> 01:23:24,417
individual, and I have a hard

1606
01:23:24,417 --> 01:23:26,792
time just because I lack spatial

1607
01:23:26,792 --> 01:23:29,420
intelligence to be able to go

1608
01:23:29,420 --> 01:23:30,709
through a process like this

1609
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:33,459
without having a lot of thinking

1610
01:23:33,459 --> 01:23:35,167
going on. I have a tendency to

1611
01:23:35,167 --> 01:23:38,292
miss information. And if I am

1612
01:23:38,292 --> 01:23:40,459
in a hurried situation or an

1613
01:23:40,459 --> 01:23:42,459
intimidating situation, although

1614
01:23:43,584 --> 01:23:45,250
it is stated that they are not

1615
01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:47,830
intimidated, I'm not sure what

1616
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:50,292
that means. The very fact of

1617
01:23:50,292 --> 01:23:53,292
being surrounded by police force

1618
01:23:53,375 --> 01:23:55,876
and I.c.e. In particular would

1619
01:23:55,876 --> 01:23:57,167
intimidate the hell out of me.

1620
01:23:57,167 --> 01:24:02,567
so I want to be able to go away

1621
01:24:02,751 --> 01:24:04,999
understanding exactly how this

1622
01:24:04,999 --> 01:24:08,830
process works, not just the end

1623
01:24:08,830 --> 01:24:10,830
results. Thank you.

1624
01:24:11,167 --> 01:24:12,542
>>chair, doug chaffee: next

1625
01:24:12,542 --> 01:24:14,542
speaker, please.

1626
01:24:26,331 --> 01:24:29,331
>>speaker: I too echo the

1627
01:24:30,420 --> 01:24:33,420
comments of alice on the

1628
01:24:35,918 --> 01:24:37,209
community that surrounds orange

1629
01:24:37,209 --> 01:24:40,809
county and how the sheriffs are

1630
01:24:42,626 --> 01:24:46,226
interacting and how they do in

1631
01:24:47,417 --> 01:24:49,817
fact intimidate. Are they

1632
01:24:52,417 --> 01:24:54,817
acting lawfully? And more

1633
01:24:54,999 --> 01:24:57,399
importantly, are they acting

1634
01:24:57,999 --> 01:25:01,599
with humanity? Keep in mind the

1635
01:25:08,167 --> 01:25:11,767
effects of someone who is being

1636
01:25:11,999 --> 01:25:14,999
deported unjustly. Keep in mind

1637
01:25:17,417 --> 01:25:20,751
the effects -- the aftermath of

1638
01:25:20,751 --> 01:25:22,999
what happened to that

1639
01:25:22,999 --> 01:25:24,999
individual's children, what

1640
01:25:26,626 --> 01:25:28,626
happens if they are the bred

1641
01:25:28,626 --> 01:25:31,626
winner. Does that put more

1642
01:25:32,918 --> 01:25:33,792
people on the streets to become

1643
01:25:33,792 --> 01:25:37,392
unhoused? So an act of the

1644
01:25:39,667 --> 01:25:41,830
sheriffs to quote/unquote follow

1645
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:44,683
the law, what is more important?

1646
01:25:49,115 --> 01:25:52,348
is it law or is it the value of

1647
01:25:52,348 --> 01:25:55,348
human life that the sheriff

1648
01:25:55,413 --> 01:25:57,606
argues is for the safety of the

1649
01:25:57,606 --> 01:26:00,600
community? The supervisors, the

1650
01:26:05,298 --> 01:26:08,898
sheriff have the power to do

1651
01:26:10,584 --> 01:26:12,984
what's right. It's sometimes

1652
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:17,209
more important than to do what's

1653
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:21,409
lawful. As all of you look down

1654
01:26:23,335 --> 01:26:24,956
and ignore --

1655
01:26:24,956 --> 01:26:26,668
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

1656
01:26:26,668 --> 01:26:28,480
wasn't ignoring you.

1657
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:31,209
>>speaker: I just want to

1658
01:26:31,209 --> 01:26:32,584
document lack of understanding,

1659
01:26:32,584 --> 01:26:34,999
the lack of care, the lack of

1660
01:26:34,999 --> 01:26:37,209
attention the supervisors quite

1661
01:26:37,209 --> 01:26:39,876
often give people who come to

1662
01:26:39,876 --> 01:26:42,876
this microphone to speak. So

1663
01:26:46,167 --> 01:26:49,834
you can go about your day. If

1664
01:26:49,834 --> 01:26:51,918
you're not an immigrant, then

1665
01:26:51,918 --> 01:26:54,834
you have nothing to worry about.

1666
01:26:54,834 --> 01:26:58,434
you can just enjoy your day.

1667
01:26:58,626 --> 01:26:59,918
but there's a community out

1668
01:26:59,918 --> 01:27:02,918
there that needs help, not

1669
01:27:05,918 --> 01:27:08,318
arrest, not deportation. Think

1670
01:27:09,709 --> 01:27:11,959
about that while you're trying

1671
01:27:11,959 --> 01:27:14,359
to go to sleep.

1672
01:27:16,151 --> 01:27:18,616
>>clerk, robin stieler: the next

1673
01:27:18,616 --> 01:27:20,551
three speakers norma, karen, and

1674
01:27:20,551 --> 01:27:22,551
kelsey gordon.

1675
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:24,932
>>speaker: my name is logan

1676
01:27:24,932 --> 01:27:27,208
smith and we continue to express

1677
01:27:27,208 --> 01:27:30,208
concern about the orange county

1678
01:27:30,584 --> 01:27:32,584
sheriff's department still

1679
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,999
choosing to transfer people to

1680
01:27:34,999 --> 01:27:36,417
I.c.e. Without judicial

1681
01:27:36,417 --> 01:27:37,918
warrants. The increase in

1682
01:27:37,918 --> 01:27:38,999
I.c.e. Transfers this year

1683
01:27:38,999 --> 01:27:41,417
appears to be driven by judicial

1684
01:27:41,417 --> 01:27:42,667
warrants but still the vast

1685
01:27:42,667 --> 01:27:44,830
majority that osc transferred to

1686
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:46,334
I.c.e. In the past year were

1687
01:27:46,334 --> 01:27:47,167
transferred voluntarily rather

1688
01:27:47,167 --> 01:27:48,542
than in response to judicial

1689
01:27:48,542 --> 01:27:49,667
warrants. Contact with I.c.e.

1690
01:27:49,667 --> 01:27:51,918
has always been risky for

1691
01:27:51,918 --> 01:27:53,209
community members but over the

1692
01:27:53,209 --> 01:27:54,834
last year I.c.e. Has become even

1693
01:27:54,834 --> 01:27:56,250
more opaque and conditions in

1694
01:27:56,250 --> 01:27:57,918
its facilities and the private

1695
01:27:57,918 --> 01:27:59,459
prisons it contracts with are

1696
01:27:59,459 --> 01:28:01,000
even more brutal. More than

1697
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,400
ever ocs continually voluntarily

1698
01:28:06,334 --> 01:28:08,834
poses a risk to public safety

1699
01:28:08,834 --> 01:28:09,999
soley transferring to I.c.e. At

1700
01:28:09,999 --> 01:28:12,999
least 12 people including 2 u.s.

1701
01:28:13,420 --> 01:28:13,999
citizens have died in I.c.e.

1702
01:28:13,999 --> 01:28:16,417
custody by mass federal agents

1703
01:28:16,417 --> 01:28:16,999
in the streets of america.

1704
01:28:16,999 --> 01:28:19,459
every time sheriff barnes and

1705
01:28:19,459 --> 01:28:20,830
his deputies send another

1706
01:28:20,830 --> 01:28:20,999
community member into the

1707
01:28:20,999 --> 01:28:21,999
clutches of the same federal

1708
01:28:21,999 --> 01:28:23,417
authorities, they're rolling the

1709
01:28:23,417 --> 01:28:25,417
dice with the continued survival

1710
01:28:25,417 --> 01:28:27,420
of mothers, fathers, sons and

1711
01:28:27,420 --> 01:28:28,876
daughters. It is more urgent

1712
01:28:28,876 --> 01:28:30,698
than ever that osc align itself

1713
01:28:30,698 --> 01:28:31,834
with the majority of sheriff's

1714
01:28:31,834 --> 01:28:33,830
departments in the state of

1715
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:34,876
california and stop this deeply

1716
01:28:34,876 --> 01:28:35,751
harmful practice. Thank you.

1717
01:28:35,751 --> 01:28:37,751
[ applause ]

1718
01:28:38,834 --> 01:28:39,841
>>chair, doug chaffee: next

1719
01:28:39,841 --> 01:28:41,841
speaker, please.

1720
01:28:42,334 --> 01:28:44,734
>>speaker: good morning, board

1721
01:28:44,834 --> 01:28:45,542
of supervisors. My name is

1722
01:28:45,542 --> 01:28:47,542
norma palacios, organizing

1723
01:28:49,334 --> 01:28:50,167
manager for the california

1724
01:28:50,167 --> 01:28:51,417
immigrant policy center. We are

1725
01:28:51,417 --> 01:28:53,417
a statewide organization

1726
01:28:53,999 --> 01:28:54,792
advancing policies to protect

1727
01:28:54,792 --> 01:28:57,834
the rights of immigrants. I am

1728
01:28:57,834 --> 01:28:58,709
here to speak on item 32

1729
01:28:58,709 --> 01:29:01,709
regarding the review of the

1730
01:29:02,999 --> 01:29:04,876
unjust and transparency we are

1731
01:29:04,876 --> 01:29:05,542
deeply concerned about the high

1732
01:29:05,542 --> 01:29:06,999
volume of people that the

1733
01:29:06,999 --> 01:29:08,626
sheriff department has

1734
01:29:08,626 --> 01:29:10,626
transferred to immigration

1735
01:29:12,417 --> 01:29:13,834
custom enforcement. It's

1736
01:29:13,834 --> 01:29:15,830
alarming that they've

1737
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:16,918
transferred over 200 community

1738
01:29:16,918 --> 01:29:18,542
members to I.c.e. In 2025. It

1739
01:29:18,542 --> 01:29:19,999
puts their health, safety, lives

1740
01:29:19,999 --> 01:29:21,626
and legal rights at risk.

1741
01:29:21,626 --> 01:29:24,260
detention centers expose people

1742
01:29:24,584 --> 01:29:26,984
to dangerous conditions, the

1743
01:29:27,501 --> 01:29:28,999
facilities have failed to meet

1744
01:29:28,999 --> 01:29:30,420
basic standards of care such as

1745
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:32,292
urgent medical care, food,

1746
01:29:32,292 --> 01:29:34,692
water, and hygiene supplies.

1747
01:29:35,334 --> 01:29:36,751
the people who were transferred

1748
01:29:36,751 --> 01:29:37,751
to I.c.e. Were residents of

1749
01:29:37,751 --> 01:29:38,999
orange county and should have

1750
01:29:38,999 --> 01:29:39,999
been given the opportunity to

1751
01:29:39,999 --> 01:29:40,999
return home after serving their

1752
01:29:40,999 --> 01:29:43,399
time. The continued conclusion

1753
01:29:43,626 --> 01:29:43,918
with federal immigration

1754
01:29:43,918 --> 01:29:45,459
enforcement will only continue

1755
01:29:45,459 --> 01:29:47,542
to drive fear among immigrant

1756
01:29:47,542 --> 01:29:48,999
communities and encourage them

1757
01:29:48,999 --> 01:29:50,918
from accessing emergency and

1758
01:29:50,918 --> 01:29:52,999
essential services which would

1759
01:29:52,999 --> 01:29:55,417
only undermine them their safety

1760
01:29:55,417 --> 01:29:57,375
and health. We urge you to end

1761
01:29:57,375 --> 01:29:58,999
I.c.e. Transfers. L.a. County

1762
01:29:58,999 --> 01:30:00,420
did this in 2000, and now the

1763
01:30:00,420 --> 01:30:02,442
l.a. Sheriff's department

1764
01:30:02,999 --> 01:30:04,626
transfer zero people to I.c.e.

1765
01:30:04,626 --> 01:30:05,459
each year. County resources

1766
01:30:05,459 --> 01:30:07,417
should not be sent to aid and

1767
01:30:07,417 --> 01:30:09,292
intensify I.c.e. Enforcement but

1768
01:30:09,292 --> 01:30:11,830
instead be reserved for

1769
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:12,751
resources like healthcare, food,

1770
01:30:12,751 --> 01:30:14,292
affordable housing and

1771
01:30:14,292 --> 01:30:15,167
education. It's also important

1772
01:30:15,167 --> 01:30:17,417
that as long as I.c.e. Has

1773
01:30:17,417 --> 01:30:18,209
access to people in the

1774
01:30:18,209 --> 01:30:20,209
sheriff's department, custody,

1775
01:30:21,167 --> 01:30:22,834
that more information is made

1776
01:30:22,834 --> 01:30:22,999
available about those

1777
01:30:22,999 --> 01:30:24,167
interactions. Thank you for

1778
01:30:24,167 --> 01:30:25,792
considering our position and

1779
01:30:25,792 --> 01:30:26,943
requests.

1780
01:30:26,943 --> 01:30:27,812
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1781
01:30:27,812 --> 01:30:28,876
you. Next speaker, please.

1782
01:30:28,876 --> 01:30:30,876
[ applause ]

1783
01:30:35,999 --> 01:30:37,542
>>speaker: hello, my name is

1784
01:30:37,542 --> 01:30:39,999
karen hernandez. I am with the

1785
01:30:39,999 --> 01:30:41,918
orange county rapid response

1786
01:30:41,918 --> 01:30:43,709
network, and I am a resident of

1787
01:30:43,709 --> 01:30:46,109
anaheim in vincent sarmiento's

1788
01:30:47,125 --> 01:30:48,792
district. I'm here to talk

1789
01:30:48,792 --> 01:30:51,417
about the truth act, which we

1790
01:30:51,417 --> 01:30:52,999
know is about transparency and

1791
01:30:52,999 --> 01:30:55,830
trust. And for many of our

1792
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:55,999
community interaction women's

1793
01:30:55,999 --> 01:30:57,417
grace enforcement have been

1794
01:30:57,417 --> 01:30:58,999
deeply personal, including for

1795
01:30:58,999 --> 01:31:00,999
me. Leaving devastating and

1796
01:31:00,999 --> 01:31:03,399
lasting effects on families.

1797
01:31:03,751 --> 01:31:06,751
I'm honestly like -- really

1798
01:31:07,417 --> 01:31:09,501
angry that I have to be here

1799
01:31:09,501 --> 01:31:11,420
today because there are counties

1800
01:31:11,420 --> 01:31:12,834
like l.a. That are currently not

1801
01:31:12,834 --> 01:31:13,542
transferring people, and the

1802
01:31:13,542 --> 01:31:15,918
amount of work that the 300-plus

1803
01:31:15,918 --> 01:31:18,918
volunteers that work with ocr

1804
01:31:18,999 --> 01:31:20,417
have to take away from our day

1805
01:31:20,417 --> 01:31:22,792
of supporting the impacted

1806
01:31:22,792 --> 01:31:23,626
community members and their

1807
01:31:23,626 --> 01:31:24,918
families who have lost

1808
01:31:24,918 --> 01:31:27,000
breadwinners, who have lost, you

1809
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,667
know, their fathers, their

1810
01:31:28,667 --> 01:31:30,375
mothers, their kids, it's

1811
01:31:30,375 --> 01:31:32,584
devastating. It is really

1812
01:31:32,584 --> 01:31:34,000
devastating. Orange county for

1813
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,918
a very long time has transferred

1814
01:31:35,918 --> 01:31:37,375
and continues to transfer more

1815
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:40,000
people to I.c.e. Than any other

1816
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,600
county in the state. It's not

1817
01:31:44,999 --> 01:31:46,501
because we have more criminals.

1818
01:31:46,501 --> 01:31:48,901
it's because policing originated

1819
01:31:49,417 --> 01:31:50,999
from slave paroles and continues

1820
01:31:50,999 --> 01:31:52,542
to this day in this county.

1821
01:31:52,542 --> 01:31:53,417
this is an issue about race. And

1822
01:31:53,417 --> 01:31:55,830
I sheriff don barns is a

1823
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:57,999
deporter in chief. I'd also

1824
01:31:57,999 --> 01:31:59,501
like to read a people in a good

1825
01:31:59,501 --> 01:32:01,999
friend of mine who's a black

1826
01:32:01,999 --> 01:32:03,417
organizer from anaheim, her name

1827
01:32:03,417 --> 01:32:06,125
is karemi, wrote, it's called

1828
01:32:06,125 --> 01:32:07,830
just another black life that

1829
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:08,999
mattered in a world undeserving.

1830
01:32:08,999 --> 01:32:10,334
a poem written on another day

1831
01:32:10,334 --> 01:32:11,709
when another black person died

1832
01:32:11,709 --> 01:32:13,501
in a detention center and/or a

1833
01:32:13,501 --> 01:32:15,626
jail and/or a prison, somewhere

1834
01:32:15,626 --> 01:32:17,250
in the united states of america.

1835
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:18,751
criminal and/or immigrant,

1836
01:32:18,751 --> 01:32:21,151
caged, incarcerated and/or

1837
01:32:21,999 --> 01:32:24,399
detained, because that taillight

1838
01:32:24,626 --> 01:32:26,209
was out, and your skin was dark,

1839
01:32:26,209 --> 01:32:27,999
and you looked like deep trouble

1840
01:32:27,999 --> 01:32:29,417
to me. Worth your weight in

1841
01:32:29,417 --> 01:32:31,125
gold in my vault. Look down at

1842
01:32:31,125 --> 01:32:34,420
you from my horse, restrict your

1843
01:32:34,420 --> 01:32:35,709
hopes and dreams and movements

1844
01:32:35,709 --> 01:32:36,542
from my goals. Are you a

1845
01:32:36,542 --> 01:32:37,959
number, an inmate, and/or

1846
01:32:37,959 --> 01:32:39,999
detainee. Don't you know you

1847
01:32:39,999 --> 01:32:42,999
could never float, let alone

1848
01:32:43,999 --> 01:32:45,501
fly? Good thing you got thick

1849
01:32:45,501 --> 01:32:47,999
skin, hard bones and working

1850
01:32:47,999 --> 01:32:49,417
hands for me. Don't matter your

1851
01:32:49,417 --> 01:32:52,250
accent or passport. Know a

1852
01:32:52,250 --> 01:32:53,999
place for your kind, too black

1853
01:32:53,999 --> 01:32:55,584
to be child or elder or pregnant

1854
01:32:55,584 --> 01:32:57,167
or human. Just a number in a

1855
01:32:57,167 --> 01:32:58,542
cage. So shackled and

1856
01:32:58,542 --> 01:33:01,542
restrained. World use to your

1857
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:05,292
pain for our gain. Too bad you

1858
01:33:05,292 --> 01:33:07,830
became another name in the

1859
01:33:07,830 --> 01:33:09,830
grave. Only you to blame.

1860
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:09,999
don't worry, I built a system

1861
01:33:09,999 --> 01:33:11,584
very well-sustained. Pick

1862
01:33:11,584 --> 01:33:14,792
another one of use to abuse and

1863
01:33:14,792 --> 01:33:16,209
minimize, reduce and strength in

1864
01:33:16,209 --> 01:33:16,999
size, watch you fall like place

1865
01:33:16,999 --> 01:33:19,999
to, just another black life.

1866
01:33:20,918 --> 01:33:22,501
finally I just want to send this

1867
01:33:22,501 --> 01:33:24,901
by saying that without

1868
01:33:26,999 --> 01:33:28,667
transparency, we can't build

1869
01:33:28,667 --> 01:33:31,670
trust. Without trust, our

1870
01:33:32,334 --> 01:33:33,999
communities are less safe.

1871
01:33:33,999 --> 01:33:35,375
thanks.

1872
01:33:35,375 --> 01:33:35,542
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1873
01:33:35,542 --> 01:33:36,999
you, ma'am. May we have the

1874
01:33:36,999 --> 01:33:38,999
next speaker, please.

1875
01:33:38,999 --> 01:33:40,000
>>clerk, robin stieler: next

1876
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,501
three speakers are cheryl long,

1877
01:33:41,501 --> 01:33:43,901
felicity and sandra deonda.

1878
01:33:44,751 --> 01:33:45,999
>>speaker: good morning, my name

1879
01:33:45,999 --> 01:33:47,834
is chelsea and I'm an anaheim

1880
01:33:47,834 --> 01:33:48,999
resident. I'm here today

1881
01:33:48,999 --> 01:33:52,599
because of the truth act and

1882
01:33:52,999 --> 01:33:55,125
call for an end to I.c.e.

1883
01:33:55,125 --> 01:33:55,999
transfers. As a member of the

1884
01:33:55,999 --> 01:33:57,626
orange county rapid response

1885
01:33:57,626 --> 01:33:58,459
network every day I take calls

1886
01:33:58,459 --> 01:33:59,999
from individuals and families

1887
01:33:59,999 --> 01:34:00,709
impacted by the immigration

1888
01:34:00,709 --> 01:34:02,709
system. Immigrants are

1889
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:05,830
disproportionately pushed into

1890
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:07,417
deportation by over-policing and

1891
01:34:07,417 --> 01:34:08,999
I.c.e. Collaboration with local

1892
01:34:08,999 --> 01:34:10,504
law enforcement, especially in

1893
01:34:10,504 --> 01:34:11,368
black communities. Orange

1894
01:34:11,368 --> 01:34:12,999
county also has the highest

1895
01:34:12,999 --> 01:34:15,167
number of prop 36 filings not

1896
01:34:15,167 --> 01:34:15,999
box office our more criminals

1897
01:34:15,999 --> 01:34:16,918
but because of our racist

1898
01:34:16,918 --> 01:34:19,830
systems and the d.a.'s office's

1899
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:21,417
choice to charge so many

1900
01:34:21,417 --> 01:34:22,999
community members makes them

1901
01:34:22,999 --> 01:34:24,250
further vulnerable to systematic

1902
01:34:24,250 --> 01:34:26,420
abuses and I.c.e. Transfers. In

1903
01:34:26,420 --> 01:34:28,420
2025 transfers have

1904
01:34:28,417 --> 01:34:29,834
disproportionately targeted

1905
01:34:29,834 --> 01:34:31,250
mexican, vietnamese, and central

1906
01:34:31,250 --> 01:34:33,459
american communities. It is not

1907
01:34:33,459 --> 01:34:34,417
a coincidence but a systematic

1908
01:34:34,417 --> 01:34:36,542
inequity in action and demands

1909
01:34:36,542 --> 01:34:37,999
accountability. Black migrants

1910
01:34:37,999 --> 01:34:39,626
are only about 6% of the

1911
01:34:39,626 --> 01:34:41,584
imprisoned I.c.e. Population but

1912
01:34:41,584 --> 01:34:42,959
nearly 30% of abuse complaints

1913
01:34:42,959 --> 01:34:43,709
which indicates that black

1914
01:34:43,709 --> 01:34:45,125
people are detained and

1915
01:34:45,125 --> 01:34:47,125
disproportionately abused

1916
01:34:47,626 --> 01:34:49,999
according to bodies 2022 report

1917
01:34:49,999 --> 01:34:51,125
uncovering the truth, violence

1918
01:34:51,125 --> 01:34:52,918
and abuse against black migrants

1919
01:34:52,918 --> 01:34:54,584
and immigration detention.

1920
01:34:54,584 --> 01:34:55,557
individuals transferred to

1921
01:34:55,557 --> 01:34:56,709
I.c.e. Detention from local

1922
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:57,999
sheriffs custody have no avenues

1923
01:34:57,999 --> 01:34:59,792
for proper medication given to

1924
01:34:59,792 --> 01:35:02,420
them. They have been several

1925
01:35:02,420 --> 01:35:02,709
cases already named in orange

1926
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:04,999
county where people have died.

1927
01:35:04,999 --> 01:35:06,501
policing, including I.c.e., do

1928
01:35:06,501 --> 01:35:09,584
not keep people safe. And while

1929
01:35:09,584 --> 01:35:10,417
the truth act is about

1930
01:35:10,417 --> 01:35:11,999
transparency, without the

1931
01:35:11,999 --> 01:35:13,417
transparency we cannot build

1932
01:35:13,417 --> 01:35:14,999
trust, and without trust our

1933
01:35:14,999 --> 01:35:16,417
communities are less safe and

1934
01:35:16,417 --> 01:35:17,163
less connected.

1935
01:35:17,163 --> 01:35:18,125
we care about this county and

1936
01:35:18,125 --> 01:35:18,999
immigrant families and ask that

1937
01:35:18,999 --> 01:35:21,250
you listen to this. Thank you

1938
01:35:21,250 --> 01:35:21,999
for your time, and no transfers

1939
01:35:21,999 --> 01:35:23,459
in oc.

1940
01:35:23,459 --> 01:35:24,512
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1941
01:35:24,512 --> 01:35:26,670
you. May we have the next

1942
01:35:26,670 --> 01:35:28,670
speaker?

1943
01:35:29,776 --> 01:35:31,776
>>speaker: good morning,

1944
01:35:32,209 --> 01:35:34,417
supervisor. I am dr. Cheryl

1945
01:35:34,417 --> 01:35:35,250
long, and I'm a long-time

1946
01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:37,626
resident of irvine since 1980.

1947
01:35:37,626 --> 01:35:39,420
I am here to ask that each you

1948
01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:40,709
as the orange county board of

1949
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:42,834
supervisors enforce the truth

1950
01:35:42,834 --> 01:35:43,792
act. The enforcement is needed

1951
01:35:43,792 --> 01:35:45,999
to successfully protect every

1952
01:35:45,999 --> 01:35:47,417
orange county resident from the

1953
01:35:47,417 --> 01:35:49,817
injustices of the lawless,

1954
01:35:49,959 --> 01:35:52,359
excessively violent actions up

1955
01:35:52,751 --> 01:35:54,167
to and including murder and

1956
01:35:54,167 --> 01:35:56,501
inhumane actions of unvetted,

1957
01:35:56,501 --> 01:35:57,667
partially-trained, masked,

1958
01:35:57,667 --> 01:36:00,670
unidentifiable agents work for

1959
01:36:00,584 --> 01:36:02,918
various prospected him grace

1960
01:36:02,918 --> 01:36:04,501
agencies under dhs, but also

1961
01:36:04,501 --> 01:36:06,751
including the fbi. I reference

1962
01:36:06,751 --> 01:36:08,167
these collectively as simply

1963
01:36:08,167 --> 01:36:09,834
I.c.e., making the lawlessness

1964
01:36:09,834 --> 01:36:11,250
even worse is the use of a

1965
01:36:11,250 --> 01:36:13,626
bounty as a reward for catching

1966
01:36:13,626 --> 01:36:15,167
people of color regardless of

1967
01:36:15,167 --> 01:36:17,125
their legal status up to and

1968
01:36:17,125 --> 01:36:19,525
including citizenship. A bounty

1969
01:36:19,751 --> 01:36:21,459
become as reward based on the

1970
01:36:21,459 --> 01:36:24,250
numbers of and not legality nor

1971
01:36:24,250 --> 01:36:26,459
accuracy of targeting. It is

1972
01:36:26,459 --> 01:36:28,167
overwhelmingly dehumanizing the

1973
01:36:28,167 --> 01:36:29,834
individuals being abducted.

1974
01:36:29,834 --> 01:36:31,959
this is un-american, and it is

1975
01:36:31,959 --> 01:36:33,334
inhumane. Because I.c.e. Is no

1976
01:36:33,334 --> 01:36:34,459
longer function as a normal

1977
01:36:34,459 --> 01:36:36,734
agency when -- within the law, I

1978
01:36:36,734 --> 01:36:39,380
am asking that you direct the

1979
01:36:39,380 --> 01:36:39,999
orange county sheriff's

1980
01:36:39,999 --> 01:36:42,209
department to stop work it

1981
01:36:42,209 --> 01:36:44,292
anyway with I.c.e. I.c.e. Is no

1982
01:36:44,292 --> 01:36:46,667
longer serving our country. Ask

1983
01:36:46,667 --> 01:36:47,626
the orange county sheriff's

1984
01:36:47,626 --> 01:36:50,626
department to stop doubling down

1985
01:36:50,751 --> 01:36:52,125
in their enforcement to arrest

1986
01:36:52,125 --> 01:36:53,000
community members that they can

1987
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,334
filter into the deportation

1988
01:36:55,334 --> 01:36:57,334
pipeline. The sheriff's 202045

1989
01:36:59,834 --> 01:37:01,834
systematic reveals systematic

1990
01:37:02,792 --> 01:37:05,417
inequity and action in the

1991
01:37:05,417 --> 01:37:07,250
over-representation of mexican,

1992
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:08,667
vietnamese, and central

1993
01:37:08,667 --> 01:37:10,830
americans. As physicians we

1994
01:37:10,830 --> 01:37:12,420
take an oath to care for all

1995
01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:14,542
people and to do no harm. As

1996
01:37:14,542 --> 01:37:14,709
law enforcement, the orange

1997
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:17,459
county sheriffs have taken an

1998
01:37:17,459 --> 01:37:18,459
oath to protect constitution and

1999
01:37:18,459 --> 01:37:20,709
as written the rights of all

2000
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:22,959
people. I.c.e. Has overtly

2001
01:37:22,959 --> 01:37:23,918
violated the constitution in

2002
01:37:23,918 --> 01:37:26,918
many ways and more egregiously

2003
01:37:26,999 --> 01:37:28,542
due process. Thus the sheriffs

2004
01:37:28,542 --> 01:37:30,125
are not upholding their oath if

2005
01:37:30,125 --> 01:37:31,792
they transfer americans to

2006
01:37:31,792 --> 01:37:33,420
I.c.e. As a physician, I speak

2007
01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:34,834
to the life-threatening risks as

2008
01:37:34,834 --> 01:37:36,834
well as the inhumanity of not

2009
01:37:36,834 --> 01:37:38,501
allowing individuals expedient

2010
01:37:38,501 --> 01:37:40,876
access and really any access at

2011
01:37:40,876 --> 01:37:42,292
all to their need medications

2012
01:37:42,292 --> 01:37:43,000
when they are transferred from

2013
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,918
I.c.e. Custody -- from sheriffs

2014
01:37:45,918 --> 01:37:47,417
custody to I.c.e. Detention.

2015
01:37:47,417 --> 01:37:48,417
over 31 individuals have died in

2016
01:37:48,417 --> 01:37:49,834
I.c.e. Detention including at

2017
01:37:49,834 --> 01:37:51,501
least one resident from costa

2018
01:37:51,501 --> 01:37:53,918
mesa and one from huntington

2019
01:37:53,918 --> 01:37:55,420
beach that we know of. Thank

2020
01:37:55,420 --> 01:37:56,834
you for your time, and I hope

2021
01:37:56,834 --> 01:37:57,834
that you will fully seem your

2022
01:37:57,834 --> 01:37:59,250
role as a critical overseeing

2023
01:37:59,250 --> 01:38:00,334
body for the sheriff's

2024
01:38:00,334 --> 01:38:02,292
department and that you enforce

2025
01:38:02,292 --> 01:38:04,417
all aspects of the truth act to

2026
01:38:04,417 --> 01:38:05,250
protect all of your

2027
01:38:05,250 --> 01:38:07,650
constituents. Simply stated, we

2028
01:38:08,334 --> 01:38:09,709
demand that there are zero

2029
01:38:09,709 --> 01:38:09,999
transfers to I.c.e. In orange

2030
01:38:09,999 --> 01:38:11,876
county. Thank you for your

2031
01:38:11,876 --> 01:38:13,248
time.

2032
01:38:13,248 --> 01:38:15,248
[ applause ]

2033
01:38:18,876 --> 01:38:20,999
>>speaker: good morning, my name

2034
01:38:20,999 --> 01:38:22,542
is felicity. I've lived in

2035
01:38:22,542 --> 01:38:24,918
irvine for over 30 years, the

2036
01:38:24,918 --> 01:38:26,999
immediate past president of the

2037
01:38:26,999 --> 01:38:28,542
newport mesa irvine interfaith

2038
01:38:28,542 --> 01:38:29,417
council, although, this morning

2039
01:38:29,417 --> 01:38:30,999
I'm speaking as a private

2040
01:38:30,999 --> 01:38:32,999
citizen. I'm extremely

2041
01:38:33,420 --> 01:38:33,918
disappointed that with all of

2042
01:38:33,918 --> 01:38:34,876
the information we now have

2043
01:38:34,876 --> 01:38:36,292
regarding how I.c.e. Transfers

2044
01:38:36,292 --> 01:38:38,125
actually make our community less

2045
01:38:38,125 --> 01:38:40,420
safe here in orange county they

2046
01:38:40,420 --> 01:38:41,584
are still happening at a rapid

2047
01:38:41,584 --> 01:38:42,417
pace. When it comes to

2048
01:38:42,417 --> 01:38:46,830
notifying I.c.e. When they can

2049
01:38:46,830 --> 01:38:48,209
pick up undocumented inmates --

2050
01:38:48,209 --> 01:38:49,690
immigrants, nobody in california

2051
01:38:49,690 --> 01:38:50,635
does it as much as orange

2052
01:38:50,635 --> 01:38:52,624
county. In 2019 and 2020 the

2053
01:38:52,624 --> 01:38:53,554
orange county sheriff's

2054
01:38:53,554 --> 01:38:54,245
department transferred the

2055
01:38:54,245 --> 01:38:56,355
largest number of people over to

2056
01:38:56,355 --> 01:38:57,876
I.c.e. Of all california

2057
01:38:57,876 --> 01:38:59,999
counties. Twice as many as the

2058
01:38:59,999 --> 01:39:01,459
number 2 county san diego which

2059
01:39:01,459 --> 01:39:02,417
has a slightly larger population

2060
01:39:02,417 --> 01:39:04,959
than oc and in 2020 they

2061
01:39:04,959 --> 01:39:05,999
transferred even more than l.a.

2062
01:39:05,999 --> 01:39:07,459
county, which has three times

2063
01:39:07,459 --> 01:39:09,859
our population. 2022 data shows

2064
01:39:09,999 --> 01:39:12,334
that sheriff barnes fully

2065
01:39:12,334 --> 01:39:14,734
intended to transfer 155 people

2066
01:39:15,999 --> 01:39:16,999
over to I.c.e. Although I.c.e.

2067
01:39:16,999 --> 01:39:18,417
only accepted 17, which

2068
01:39:18,417 --> 01:39:20,830
demonstrates the blatant

2069
01:39:20,830 --> 01:39:22,167
overreach of the county

2070
01:39:22,167 --> 01:39:23,999
department. In 2023, the

2071
01:39:23,999 --> 01:39:24,834
sheriff's department referred

2072
01:39:24,834 --> 01:39:27,751
twice as many community members,

2073
01:39:27,751 --> 01:39:29,334
300 to I.c.e., and ultimately

2074
01:39:29,334 --> 01:39:31,334
transferred 221. That's an

2075
01:39:31,709 --> 01:39:34,109
increase of 1200%. The numbers

2076
01:39:35,501 --> 01:39:38,501
went new24, to 228. And last

2077
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:39,999
year I.c.e. Transfers through

2078
01:39:39,999 --> 01:39:43,375
I.c.e. Detainers increased once

2079
01:39:43,375 --> 01:39:44,999
again by close to 9%, rising to

2080
01:39:44,999 --> 01:39:46,542
239 people transferred. In

2081
01:39:46,542 --> 01:39:48,542
addition, 2025 transfers have

2082
01:39:49,792 --> 01:39:51,209
disproportionately targeted

2083
01:39:51,209 --> 01:39:53,609
mexican, vietnamese, and central

2084
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,959
american communities making this

2085
01:39:55,959 --> 01:39:56,792
a racial justice issue. There

2086
01:39:56,792 --> 01:39:58,830
are multiple counties in

2087
01:39:58,830 --> 01:39:59,584
california that don't allow any

2088
01:39:59,584 --> 01:40:01,292
transfers from county jails to

2089
01:40:01,292 --> 01:40:02,417
detention facilities with

2090
01:40:02,417 --> 01:40:03,501
absolutely no negative

2091
01:40:03,501 --> 01:40:04,999
consequences. Those counties

2092
01:40:04,999 --> 01:40:06,584
realize that transferring people

2093
01:40:06,584 --> 01:40:08,834
to I.c.e. After they have

2094
01:40:08,834 --> 01:40:11,240
finished their sentences, then

2095
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:12,999
rehabilitate -- been

2096
01:40:12,999 --> 01:40:14,584
rehabilitated, deemed ready to

2097
01:40:14,584 --> 01:40:16,182
go back to society by the parole

2098
01:40:16,182 --> 01:40:17,623
board or even the governor is

2099
01:40:17,623 --> 01:40:19,240
both pointless or

2100
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:20,690
counter-productive. What good

2101
01:40:20,690 --> 01:40:22,198
is accomplished by separating a

2102
01:40:22,198 --> 01:40:23,738
shattering family by denying a

2103
01:40:23,738 --> 01:40:25,870
household its principal

2104
01:40:25,870 --> 01:40:26,564
breadwinner or by leaving

2105
01:40:26,564 --> 01:40:27,944
american-born children with

2106
01:40:27,944 --> 01:40:30,405
either parents to care for them.

2107
01:40:30,405 --> 01:40:33,392
local law enforcement are acting

2108
01:40:33,392 --> 01:40:35,000
as immigration police and public

2109
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,626
trustee roads. Witnesses do not

2110
01:40:36,626 --> 01:40:38,999
come forward, domestic violence

2111
01:40:38,999 --> 01:40:40,240
survivors will remain silent and

2112
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,999
even victims of crimes are

2113
01:40:42,999 --> 01:40:44,999
afraid to speak out for fear of

2114
01:40:44,999 --> 01:40:46,999
putting themselves or their

2115
01:40:46,999 --> 01:40:49,584
loved ones in jeopardy. This

2116
01:40:49,584 --> 01:40:51,000
puts all community members in

2117
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,542
danger, not to mention the

2118
01:40:52,542 --> 01:40:54,250
economic toll in our communities

2119
01:40:54,250 --> 01:40:56,292
when our local and state tax

2120
01:40:56,292 --> 01:40:57,999
dollars are being used to do the

2121
01:40:57,999 --> 01:41:00,250
work of federal agents instead

2122
01:41:00,250 --> 01:41:01,999
of providing much-needed

2123
01:41:01,999 --> 01:41:04,999
resources for our own residents.

2124
01:41:04,999 --> 01:41:07,334
no one should be subjected to

2125
01:41:07,334 --> 01:41:08,830
double punishment after they

2126
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:09,751
have served their time and ready

2127
01:41:09,751 --> 01:41:11,834
to become contributing members

2128
01:41:11,834 --> 01:41:13,999
of their community. And that's

2129
01:41:13,999 --> 01:41:15,918
why I say for the sake of every

2130
01:41:15,918 --> 01:41:18,167
oc resident, end all I.c.e.

2131
01:41:18,167 --> 01:41:20,125
transfers now. Thank you.

2132
01:41:20,125 --> 01:41:20,501
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

2133
01:41:20,501 --> 01:41:20,667
you.

2134
01:41:20,667 --> 01:41:21,125
>>clerk, robin stieler: after

2135
01:41:21,125 --> 01:41:23,459
sandra, the last two speakers

2136
01:41:23,459 --> 01:41:26,459
are jahira and amy s.

2137
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:33,417
>>speaker: good morning, board

2138
01:41:33,417 --> 01:41:35,792
of supervisor. My name is sandra

2139
01:41:35,792 --> 01:41:38,417
de anda and I'm the director of

2140
01:41:38,417 --> 01:41:40,000
policy and legal strategy at the

2141
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,959
orange county rapid response

2142
01:41:41,959 --> 01:41:43,375
network. I am also a

2143
01:41:43,375 --> 01:41:45,775
constituent of district 2. I'm

2144
01:41:45,999 --> 01:41:47,999
here to speak on item 32, the

2145
01:41:47,999 --> 01:41:50,334
truth act. My colleagues and

2146
01:41:50,334 --> 01:41:52,417
community members have been

2147
01:41:52,417 --> 01:41:54,709
track I.c.e. Enforcement trends

2148
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:57,709
since our inception in 2017. In

2149
01:41:57,999 --> 01:41:59,584
doing, so last year was an

2150
01:41:59,584 --> 01:42:02,999
immensely heavy task as we saw

2151
01:42:02,999 --> 01:42:05,999
dhs tactics become more inhumane

2152
01:42:06,167 --> 01:42:07,999
and a spectacle of suffering for

2153
01:42:07,999 --> 01:42:09,999
immigrant and refugee

2154
01:42:10,375 --> 01:42:12,584
communities. All while, our

2155
01:42:12,584 --> 01:42:14,984
sheriff was transferring around

2156
01:42:17,999 --> 01:42:19,999
50 to 70 community members a

2157
01:42:19,999 --> 01:42:20,420
month behind closed doors

2158
01:42:20,420 --> 01:42:21,999
through our jail system. The

2159
01:42:21,999 --> 01:42:24,999
2025 I.c.e. Transfer data shows

2160
01:42:24,999 --> 01:42:26,501
us that our mexican, central

2161
01:42:26,501 --> 01:42:27,918
american and vietnamese

2162
01:42:27,918 --> 01:42:30,318
community members the most

2163
01:42:30,876 --> 01:42:32,999
criminalized by this county's

2164
01:42:32,999 --> 01:42:35,751
discretionary policy at a time

2165
01:42:35,751 --> 01:42:37,876
when our communities continue to

2166
01:42:37,876 --> 01:42:40,792
go further into the shadows,

2167
01:42:40,792 --> 01:42:43,167
many of them failing to be

2168
01:42:43,167 --> 01:42:45,417
beneficiaries of the county's

2169
01:42:45,417 --> 01:42:47,999
health agency. We know that the

2170
01:42:47,999 --> 01:42:49,999
oc sheriffs screened 824

2171
01:42:51,709 --> 01:42:53,250
community members, even though

2172
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:55,250
only 501 of our community

2173
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:56,999
members were not transferred to

2174
01:42:56,999 --> 01:43:00,999
I.c.e. We know that sb-54 is

2175
01:43:00,999 --> 01:43:02,375
functioning as a real barrier to

2176
01:43:02,375 --> 01:43:04,375
this discretionary deportation

2177
01:43:05,542 --> 01:43:07,542
pipeline. A deportation

2178
01:43:08,999 --> 01:43:10,999
pipeline that we know is not

2179
01:43:10,999 --> 01:43:12,999
enough for the sheriff as the

2180
01:43:12,999 --> 01:43:14,501
sheriff also transferred at

2181
01:43:14,501 --> 01:43:16,209
least 32 community members to

2182
01:43:16,209 --> 01:43:17,918
I.c.e., not through the

2183
01:43:17,918 --> 01:43:20,000
traditional I.c.e. Detainer

2184
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,667
process, but through judicial

2185
01:43:21,667 --> 01:43:24,670
warrants. Our team believes

2186
01:43:25,417 --> 01:43:27,667
this may be in line with the

2187
01:43:27,667 --> 01:43:30,670
bill of salaries project

2188
01:43:30,459 --> 01:43:31,999
guardian angel enforcement

2189
01:43:31,999 --> 01:43:33,999
practice, an enforcement

2190
01:43:34,542 --> 01:43:37,542
operation meant to bypass sb-54.

2191
01:43:39,876 --> 01:43:41,542
our colleagues and myself, with

2192
01:43:41,542 --> 01:43:42,959
dough this work, right, because

2193
01:43:42,959 --> 01:43:45,830
we believe that our community

2194
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:48,830
members are more than numbers

2195
01:43:48,167 --> 01:43:51,767
and statistics, and we know that

2196
01:43:54,584 --> 01:43:55,999
detention at the root of it

2197
01:43:55,999 --> 01:43:58,000
really is inhumane. I have had

2198
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,792
the great privilege, myself and

2199
01:43:59,792 --> 01:44:00,751
my team, to speak to both orange

2200
01:44:00,751 --> 01:44:03,542
county families whose loved ones

2201
01:44:03,542 --> 01:44:06,929
died in detention last year so

2202
01:44:06,929 --> 01:44:08,494
this included the costa mesa

2203
01:44:08,494 --> 01:44:10,645
family, who did not receive the

2204
01:44:10,645 --> 01:44:11,999
proper care in detention and

2205
01:44:11,999 --> 01:44:14,209
also a huntington beach father

2206
01:44:14,209 --> 01:44:17,209
whose also medical attention was

2207
01:44:18,999 --> 01:44:20,999
neglected.

2208
01:44:21,999 --> 01:44:24,999
so let's get rid this policy.

2209
01:44:24,999 --> 01:44:26,626
we need trust, not I.c.e.

2210
01:44:26,626 --> 01:44:28,626
transfers. Thank you.

2211
01:44:35,904 --> 01:44:38,179
good morning. My name is

2212
01:44:38,179 --> 01:44:40,179
jahira...

2213
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,000
your local immigrant and refugee

2214
01:44:53,999 --> 01:44:56,399
communities face -- between

2215
01:44:59,999 --> 01:45:00,999
federal agencies and the

2216
01:45:00,999 --> 01:45:02,375
sheriff's department and other

2217
01:45:02,375 --> 01:45:03,459
local participation in my role

2218
01:45:03,459 --> 01:45:04,709
as a volunteer with the response

2219
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:06,959
network, I witnessed many

2220
01:45:06,959 --> 01:45:07,999
families from receiving

2221
01:45:07,999 --> 01:45:09,250
essential support services out

2222
01:45:09,250 --> 01:45:10,918
of fear of encountering

2223
01:45:10,918 --> 01:45:12,292
immigration or deputized local

2224
01:45:12,292 --> 01:45:14,125
law enforcement officials on the

2225
01:45:14,125 --> 01:45:15,375
way to receiving services.

2226
01:45:15,375 --> 01:45:16,999
while others have elected to

2227
01:45:16,999 --> 01:45:18,709
forgo essential services simply

2228
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:19,999
out of fear that their

2229
01:45:19,999 --> 01:45:21,667
information will be shared by

2230
01:45:21,667 --> 01:45:22,667
social services institutions

2231
01:45:22,667 --> 01:45:23,999
with immigration agencies for

2232
01:45:23,999 --> 01:45:24,999
purpose of enforcement as we

2233
01:45:24,999 --> 01:45:27,667
heard from a couple of speakers.

2234
01:45:27,667 --> 01:45:28,417
under the current immigration

2235
01:45:28,417 --> 01:45:30,830
enforcement regime, immigrant

2236
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and refugee communities are

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01:45:32,167 --> 01:45:33,876
being forced to live under the

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01:45:33,876 --> 01:45:34,918
radar, and in an effort to

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01:45:34,918 --> 01:45:36,250
protect not only their family

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01:45:36,250 --> 01:45:37,830
unit but also their health

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01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:40,830
against the pervasive gaze of

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01:45:40,999 --> 01:45:42,250
the immigration state. A key

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01:45:42,250 --> 01:45:43,918
component driving this is

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01:45:43,918 --> 01:45:44,792
suspicion of local collaboration

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01:45:44,792 --> 01:45:47,792
with dhs agencies, although now

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01:45:47,834 --> 01:45:49,417
we can confidently say with all

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01:45:49,417 --> 01:45:50,792
federal agencies. That's why

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01:45:50,792 --> 01:45:53,792
it's critical that ocsd be

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01:45:53,999 --> 01:45:54,417
transparent about the types of

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01:45:54,417 --> 01:45:55,417
detainer requests that they

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01:45:55,417 --> 01:45:57,542
receive and honor and move to

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01:45:57,542 --> 01:45:59,942
end such transfers. If

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01:45:59,999 --> 01:46:02,830
self-isolation your vince not

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01:46:02,830 --> 01:46:03,709
enough, it's critical that you

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01:46:03,709 --> 01:46:04,709
recognize many oc families have

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01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:06,959
come into the network safe space

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01:46:06,959 --> 01:46:08,830
and expressed the barriers that

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01:46:08,830 --> 01:46:09,209
they've faced and merely

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01:46:09,209 --> 01:46:10,420
dropping off medication for

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01:46:10,420 --> 01:46:12,417
their loved ones in federal

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01:46:12,417 --> 01:46:13,250
intention progression

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01:46:13,250 --> 01:46:14,375
facilities, resulting in your

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01:46:14,375 --> 01:46:15,250
own community members suffering

2264
01:46:15,250 --> 01:46:18,250
and dying from medical neglect

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01:46:18,999 --> 01:46:19,999
within these facilities, many of

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01:46:19,999 --> 01:46:21,999
whom who have ended up within

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01:46:21,999 --> 01:46:22,999
these facilities through the

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01:46:22,999 --> 01:46:26,999
sort of obscure forms of jail to

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01:46:26,999 --> 01:46:29,830
I.c.e. Transfers. So the truth

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01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:30,459
act is about ensuring that what

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01:46:30,459 --> 01:46:31,459
happens in our communities is

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01:46:31,459 --> 01:46:32,999
not hidden from the people in it

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01:46:32,999 --> 01:46:34,999
affects. Without transparency

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01:46:35,125 --> 01:46:36,751
we cannot build trust, and

2275
01:46:36,751 --> 01:46:38,334
without trust, our communities

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01:46:38,334 --> 01:46:39,420
are less safe and less

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01:46:39,420 --> 01:46:40,292
connected. We care about this

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01:46:40,292 --> 01:46:42,918
county and it's why so many of

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01:46:42,918 --> 01:46:44,459
us are involved in this work,

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01:46:44,459 --> 01:46:45,167
and we ask that you listen to us

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01:46:45,167 --> 01:46:47,542
on these important issues raised

2282
01:46:47,542 --> 01:46:48,999
today because they expand simply

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01:46:48,999 --> 01:46:50,918
beyond jail to I.c.e. Transfers.

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01:46:50,918 --> 01:46:52,876
and we demand zero transfers in

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01:46:52,876 --> 01:46:54,167
oc. Thank you.

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01:46:54,167 --> 01:46:56,219
>>chair, doug chaffee: next

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01:46:56,219 --> 01:46:58,219
speaker, please.

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01:47:01,417 --> 01:47:02,999
>>speaker: I'm amy. I'm a

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01:47:02,999 --> 01:47:04,999
teacher, a volunteer, a wife, a

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01:47:04,999 --> 01:47:07,417
mom, and a voter living in

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01:47:07,417 --> 01:47:09,959
mission viejo. First I want to

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01:47:09,959 --> 01:47:12,420
thank the three supervisors.

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01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:13,584
supervisor foley, supervisor

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01:47:13,584 --> 01:47:14,417
sarmiento, and supervisor

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01:47:14,417 --> 01:47:17,250
chaffee who showed up on time

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01:47:17,250 --> 01:47:19,626
today to acknowledge our iranian

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01:47:19,626 --> 01:47:21,167
community. I'm sure you already

2298
01:47:21,167 --> 01:47:23,792
know this. There are over

2299
01:47:23,792 --> 01:47:25,792
950,000 immigrants living in

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01:47:25,999 --> 01:47:28,399
orange county. That means

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01:47:29,417 --> 01:47:31,709
almost 1/3 of our residents were

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01:47:31,709 --> 01:47:34,830
born outside the united states.

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01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:36,420
they are our friends, our

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01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:38,000
relatives, and our neighbors,

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01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,501
and immigrants make orange

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01:47:39,501 --> 01:47:42,459
county great, but right now due

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01:47:42,459 --> 01:47:44,420
to I.c.e. Terrorizing our

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01:47:44,420 --> 01:47:45,999
communities and the illegal

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01:47:45,999 --> 01:47:46,999
transfer of people from sheriff

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01:47:46,999 --> 01:47:49,999
custody to I.c.e., I'm seeing my

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01:47:49,999 --> 01:47:51,417
friends and neighbors too

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01:47:51,417 --> 01:47:52,999
terrified to take their children

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01:47:52,999 --> 01:47:54,918
to school, to go to work

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01:47:54,918 --> 01:47:56,459
themselves, or even to leave

2315
01:47:56,459 --> 01:47:58,584
their homes to do basic things

2316
01:47:58,584 --> 01:48:00,125
like get groceries or visit

2317
01:48:00,125 --> 01:48:02,525
doctor. While these illegal

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01:48:02,999 --> 01:48:03,999
detentions and transfers

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01:48:03,999 --> 01:48:05,999
disproportionately affect black

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01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,999
and brown people in our county,

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01:48:07,999 --> 01:48:10,209
I just spoke to a white man

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01:48:10,209 --> 01:48:10,999
yesterday from the u.k., who is

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01:48:10,999 --> 01:48:12,417
in the process of working on his

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01:48:12,417 --> 01:48:14,667
citizenship and has been for

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01:48:14,667 --> 01:48:16,918
years. He's worried about being

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01:48:16,918 --> 01:48:18,459
detained by law enforcement and

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01:48:18,459 --> 01:48:19,334
how that might affect his

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01:48:19,334 --> 01:48:20,999
chances of becoming a citizen

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01:48:20,999 --> 01:48:22,417
and what might happen to his

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01:48:22,417 --> 01:48:25,459
family, were he to be taken.

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01:48:25,459 --> 01:48:28,250
but it shouldn't take an impact

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01:48:28,250 --> 01:48:29,125
to white people for us to act

2333
01:48:29,125 --> 01:48:30,626
against these illegal

2334
01:48:30,626 --> 01:48:31,918
activities. This isn't public

2335
01:48:31,918 --> 01:48:33,167
safety. This is disrupting

2336
01:48:33,167 --> 01:48:35,567
people's lives, caution distrust

2337
01:48:36,830 --> 01:48:37,626
in our institutions, and

2338
01:48:37,626 --> 01:48:39,420
negatively impacting our

2339
01:48:39,420 --> 01:48:40,584
communities and our local

2340
01:48:40,584 --> 01:48:43,792
economy. A recent study by uci

2341
01:48:43,792 --> 01:48:45,420
find drop in neighborhood

2342
01:48:45,420 --> 01:48:47,442
economic output of almost $60

2343
01:48:47,834 --> 01:48:50,830
million and a loss of $4.5

2344
01:48:50,830 --> 01:48:52,876
million in sales tax in just

2345
01:48:52,876 --> 01:48:54,584
eight weeks last summer. The

2346
01:48:54,584 --> 01:48:56,792
truth act is about transparency.

2347
01:48:56,792 --> 01:48:59,830
we need you. Our supervisors

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01:48:59,830 --> 01:49:01,334
elected to serve all the people

2349
01:49:01,334 --> 01:49:04,375
of orange county, to follow the law

2350
01:49:04,375 --> 01:49:06,209
and demand the stop these

2351
01:49:06,209 --> 01:49:09,000
illegal transfers between the oc

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01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:09,999
sheriff's department and I.c.e.

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01:49:09,999 --> 01:49:11,417
please do your duty and protect

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01:49:11,417 --> 01:49:13,417
our community.

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01:49:15,548 --> 01:49:17,548
[ applause ]

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01:49:18,691 --> 01:49:20,626
>>chair, doug chaffee: is this

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01:49:20,626 --> 01:49:21,999
our last speaker? Thank you.

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01:49:21,999 --> 01:49:23,959
please go ahead sir.

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01:49:23,959 --> 01:49:24,667
>>speaker: good morning, members

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01:49:24,667 --> 01:49:27,584
of the board. My name is elmer

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01:49:27,584 --> 01:49:29,709
flores. I'm a managing attorney

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01:49:29,709 --> 01:49:31,417
at immigration, defenders law

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01:49:31,417 --> 01:49:33,626
center. I'm here today to urge

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01:49:33,626 --> 01:49:35,999
to you end the orange county

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01:49:35,999 --> 01:49:37,542
sheriff's department

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01:49:37,542 --> 01:49:38,999
collaboration with I.c.e., a

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01:49:38,999 --> 01:49:40,501
practice that continues to harm

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01:49:40,501 --> 01:49:42,167
thousands of our neighbors and

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01:49:42,167 --> 01:49:43,834
undermine public safety. With

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01:49:43,834 --> 01:49:45,959
offices throughout the state

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01:49:45,959 --> 01:49:47,209
including santa ana,

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01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:49,209
organizations the largest

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01:49:49,876 --> 01:49:51,417
nonprofit deportation defense

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01:49:51,417 --> 01:49:52,959
law firm in the state. Our team

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01:49:52,959 --> 01:49:54,999
hears firsthand the stories of

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01:49:54,999 --> 01:49:55,999
many community members who were

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01:49:55,999 --> 01:49:57,999
unjustly detained by federal

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01:49:57,999 --> 01:50:00,399
immigration officers. I witness

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01:50:00,626 --> 01:50:01,999
how I.c.e. Agents arrested

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01:50:01,999 --> 01:50:02,999
community members after the

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01:50:02,999 --> 01:50:05,125
immigration hearings at the

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01:50:05,125 --> 01:50:06,792
santa ana immigration court.

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01:50:06,792 --> 01:50:09,356
california laws are clear, our

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01:50:09,356 --> 01:50:11,485
state has chosen to protect

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01:50:11,485 --> 01:50:13,501
public safety by ensuring local

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01:50:13,501 --> 01:50:14,888
resources are not entangled with

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01:50:14,888 --> 01:50:16,888
federal immigration enforcement.

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01:50:16,913 --> 01:50:18,999
the truth act exists because

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01:50:18,999 --> 01:50:20,999
transparency and accountability

2390
01:50:20,999 --> 01:50:22,999
are essential when these

2391
01:50:22,999 --> 01:50:24,292
entanglements occur. Today

2392
01:50:24,292 --> 01:50:26,542
we're asking you to go further,

2393
01:50:26,542 --> 01:50:30,142
to use your authority, and moral

2394
01:50:30,292 --> 01:50:30,999
leadership to ensure that orange

2395
01:50:30,999 --> 01:50:34,417
county is no longer an outlier

2396
01:50:34,417 --> 01:50:36,817
in maintaining deep cooperations

2397
01:50:37,420 --> 01:50:39,417
with I.c.e. It's time to align

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01:50:39,417 --> 01:50:40,542
our county with these values.

2399
01:50:40,542 --> 01:50:41,999
it's time to prioritize

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01:50:41,999 --> 01:50:43,999
community safety over fear, and

2401
01:50:43,999 --> 01:50:44,999
time to end policies that

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01:50:44,999 --> 01:50:47,399
separate families, that depress

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01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,375
our economy and damage public

2404
01:50:50,375 --> 01:50:51,830
trust. I urge this board to

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01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:53,542
take action to end ocsd's

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01:50:53,542 --> 01:50:55,999
transfers to I.c.e. And create a

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01:50:55,999 --> 01:50:57,375
county where all residents,

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01:50:57,375 --> 01:50:58,999
regardless of immigration

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01:50:58,999 --> 01:51:01,667
status, can live, work, and

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01:51:01,667 --> 01:51:02,667
raise their families in safety

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01:51:02,667 --> 01:51:05,670
and dignity. Thank you.

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01:51:05,751 --> 01:51:06,709
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

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01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:08,667
further speakers, mr. Chair.

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01:51:08,667 --> 01:51:09,354
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

2415
01:51:09,354 --> 01:51:10,292
you. If there are no further

2416
01:51:10,292 --> 01:51:11,709
speakers, I'm going to close the

2417
01:51:11,709 --> 01:51:13,999
public hearing and bring it back

2418
01:51:13,999 --> 01:51:17,999
to the board. This is an annual

2419
01:51:17,999 --> 01:51:19,999
hearing that we're required to

2420
01:51:19,999 --> 01:51:21,918
do. And I thank everyone for

2421
01:51:21,918 --> 01:51:23,334
their time in coming here and

2422
01:51:23,334 --> 01:51:25,834
sharing with us their view. So

2423
01:51:25,834 --> 01:51:27,999
I'm not closing the public --

2424
01:51:27,999 --> 01:51:29,459
I'm now closing the public

2425
01:51:29,459 --> 01:51:30,459
hearing and bringing it back to

2426
01:51:30,459 --> 01:51:31,834
the board. This is a "receive

2427
01:51:31,834 --> 01:51:33,999
and file" item. There's no

2428
01:51:33,999 --> 01:51:35,918
action that we're being asked to

2429
01:51:35,918 --> 01:51:38,709
take, but if there are comments,

2430
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:40,125
questions, anyone has of our

2431
01:51:40,125 --> 01:51:42,626
board before we receive and file

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01:51:42,626 --> 01:51:45,542
it formally, I'm now open for

2433
01:51:45,542 --> 01:51:46,999
that opportunity. Supervisor

2434
01:51:46,999 --> 01:51:47,792
sarmiento.

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01:51:47,792 --> 01:51:47,999
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,

2436
01:51:47,999 --> 01:51:49,459
mr. Chair. I'm not sure if you

2437
01:51:49,459 --> 01:51:50,999
wanted to bring up the sheriff

2438
01:51:50,999 --> 01:51:52,240
first, if there's any

2439
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:53,214
presentation that he wishes to

2440
01:51:53,214 --> 01:51:54,181
offer.

2441
01:51:54,181 --> 01:51:54,912
>>chair, doug chaffee: no.

2442
01:51:54,912 --> 01:51:55,642
there's no presentation. You

2443
01:51:55,642 --> 01:51:56,214
may ask questions if you wish.

2444
01:51:56,214 --> 01:51:57,452
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you.

2445
01:51:57,452 --> 01:51:58,390
in any event, I wanted to make

2446
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:59,182
sure we provided that

2447
01:51:59,182 --> 01:52:00,498
opportunity for comments to be

2448
01:52:00,498 --> 01:52:03,563
made. So let me thank everybody

2449
01:52:03,563 --> 01:52:05,881
who came and spoke. I

2450
01:52:05,881 --> 01:52:07,613
appreciate you all sharing your

2451
01:52:07,613 --> 01:52:10,613
thoughts, and you've done this

2452
01:52:10,896 --> 01:52:12,546
since I've been here, and so

2453
01:52:12,546 --> 01:52:14,675
I've heard you cloud and clear,

2454
01:52:14,675 --> 01:52:16,127
and I think all of us have.

2455
01:52:16,127 --> 01:52:17,508
just so we can kind of recap,

2456
01:52:17,508 --> 01:52:19,999
this is the -- it's a required

2457
01:52:19,999 --> 01:52:21,250
public forum that the

2458
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:23,650
legislature has cast local

2459
01:52:24,333 --> 01:52:25,918
communities to do. This is the

2460
01:52:25,918 --> 01:52:27,918
california's transparent review

2461
01:52:28,167 --> 01:52:30,834
of unjust transfers and holds

2462
01:52:30,834 --> 01:52:32,792
act, and it requires communities

2463
01:52:32,792 --> 01:52:35,999
provide this forum each year and

2464
01:52:35,999 --> 01:52:37,667
inform the public about

2465
01:52:37,667 --> 01:52:40,626
information and access to what

2466
01:52:40,626 --> 01:52:43,542
policies and numbers and data

2467
01:52:43,542 --> 01:52:45,792
regarding immigration and custom

2468
01:52:45,792 --> 01:52:48,192
enforcement transfers by local

2469
01:52:48,628 --> 01:52:49,999
law enforcement. So in any

2470
01:52:49,999 --> 01:52:51,999
event, that is important for us

2471
01:52:51,999 --> 01:52:53,792
to understand why we're here.

2472
01:52:53,792 --> 01:52:55,918
it's a required public forum,

2473
01:52:55,918 --> 01:52:57,417
and, you know, I wish we would

2474
01:52:57,417 --> 01:52:58,999
just do this voluntarily, and

2475
01:52:58,999 --> 01:53:00,667
hopefully we will continue if

2476
01:53:00,667 --> 01:53:02,999
this is ever rescinded. What I

2477
01:53:02,999 --> 01:53:04,334
also want to sort of clarify is

2478
01:53:04,334 --> 01:53:05,125
that we're talking about

2479
01:53:05,125 --> 01:53:08,830
transfers of people who have

2480
01:53:08,830 --> 01:53:11,167
already done their time for an

2481
01:53:11,167 --> 01:53:12,167
offense that they've committed.

2482
01:53:12,167 --> 01:53:15,417
so this isn't -- what I hear in

2483
01:53:15,417 --> 01:53:17,584
the public sometimes you're

2484
01:53:17,584 --> 01:53:18,686
releasing undocumented people

2485
01:53:18,686 --> 01:53:21,417
who have committed crimes out

2486
01:53:21,417 --> 01:53:22,999
into the community. That's not

2487
01:53:22,999 --> 01:53:25,876
the case. This is folks --

2488
01:53:25,876 --> 01:53:26,834
these are folks who have

2489
01:53:26,834 --> 01:53:28,501
committed offenses, they've

2490
01:53:28,501 --> 01:53:30,501
served their time, and then they

2491
01:53:30,501 --> 01:53:34,101
meet the criteria under sb-54 to

2492
01:53:36,830 --> 01:53:39,830
be transferred. Now, many and

2493
01:53:39,584 --> 01:53:42,999
most counties have chosen not to

2494
01:53:42,999 --> 01:53:46,751
transfer folks to I.c.e. And

2495
01:53:46,751 --> 01:53:48,292
this was well before this

2496
01:53:48,292 --> 01:53:49,125
current administration has been

2497
01:53:49,125 --> 01:53:50,667
in office. And I want to

2498
01:53:50,667 --> 01:53:53,459
emphasize what we're looking at

2499
01:53:53,459 --> 01:53:55,292
with I.c.e. And with the

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01:53:55,292 --> 01:53:56,999
detention facilities is a very

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01:53:56,999 --> 01:53:58,999
irregular setting and

2502
01:53:59,960 --> 01:54:00,818
environment than what we've

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01:54:00,818 --> 01:54:01,842
experienced in the past. These

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01:54:01,842 --> 01:54:03,951
are, you know -- there are

2505
01:54:03,951 --> 01:54:05,951
claims, and well-documented

2506
01:54:07,167 --> 01:54:09,501
claims, that demonstrate a

2507
01:54:09,501 --> 01:54:12,501
pattern and practice of conduct

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01:54:13,292 --> 01:54:15,667
and treatment of once somebody

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01:54:15,667 --> 01:54:18,667
has been detained, civil rights

2510
01:54:19,375 --> 01:54:21,000
abuses, human rights abuses, it

2511
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,000
is considered a rogue agency, in

2512
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,626
my opinion. We also know that

2513
01:54:25,626 --> 01:54:26,999
judicial orders have been

2514
01:54:26,999 --> 01:54:28,000
ignored, people have been

2515
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,000
deported to third-party

2516
01:54:30,125 --> 01:54:31,626
countries that they have had

2517
01:54:31,626 --> 01:54:33,420
absolutely no connection to.

2518
01:54:33,420 --> 01:54:34,209
there are documented reports of

2519
01:54:34,209 --> 01:54:36,000
abuse of treatment during

2520
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,999
transport where people are

2521
01:54:37,999 --> 01:54:39,459
shackled for hours on end,

2522
01:54:39,459 --> 01:54:41,751
denied food, water, and restroom

2523
01:54:41,751 --> 01:54:44,667
access while in transit to

2524
01:54:44,667 --> 01:54:46,209
multiple locations. Medical

2525
01:54:46,209 --> 01:54:47,999
conditions such as diabetes and

2526
01:54:47,999 --> 01:54:50,292
asthma, which require monitoring

2527
01:54:50,292 --> 01:54:52,250
and medication, are disregarded

2528
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:54,876
or ignored. When and if they

2529
01:54:54,876 --> 01:54:56,999
finally make it to a detention

2530
01:54:56,999 --> 01:54:59,830
center, the only way to find

2531
01:54:59,830 --> 01:55:00,751
them through an unreliable track

2532
01:55:00,751 --> 01:55:02,584
system that sometimes causes a

2533
01:55:02,584 --> 01:55:04,667
person to essentially disappear

2534
01:55:04,667 --> 01:55:06,250
for periods of time, making

2535
01:55:06,250 --> 01:55:08,751
impossible for their counsel, if

2536
01:55:08,751 --> 01:55:10,876
they have one, or their families

2537
01:55:10,876 --> 01:55:12,501
to find them to provide vital

2538
01:55:12,501 --> 01:55:13,959
support as they tempt exercise

2539
01:55:13,959 --> 01:55:14,751
their rights on immigration

2540
01:55:14,751 --> 01:55:17,751
cases. I.c.e. Detainment

2541
01:55:17,999 --> 01:55:19,417
facilities, now that they're

2542
01:55:19,417 --> 01:55:21,751
privately run, have always posed

2543
01:55:21,751 --> 01:55:24,542
a health risk to those detained

2544
01:55:24,542 --> 01:55:26,125
in those facilities, but we've

2545
01:55:26,125 --> 01:55:27,792
seen a drastic and dramatic

2546
01:55:27,792 --> 01:55:29,375
increase in the deaths and

2547
01:55:29,375 --> 01:55:31,584
spread of serious illnesses

2548
01:55:31,584 --> 01:55:32,417
contracted by those that come

2549
01:55:32,417 --> 01:55:34,667
into I.c.e. Facilities during

2550
01:55:34,667 --> 01:55:36,667
this current administration.

2551
01:55:36,918 --> 01:55:38,918
overcrowding, insufficient food,

2552
01:55:39,834 --> 01:55:40,834
irregular access to showers and

2553
01:55:40,834 --> 01:55:42,834
grossly unsanitary conditions

2554
01:55:43,626 --> 01:55:44,584
have led to outbreaks of

2555
01:55:44,584 --> 01:55:46,584
respiratory diseases,

2556
01:55:46,999 --> 01:55:48,999
gastrointestinal diseases,

2557
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:50,999
measles and acute mental health

2558
01:55:50,999 --> 01:55:53,399
deterioration. These have been

2559
01:55:53,834 --> 01:55:55,999
widely documented and witnessed

2560
01:55:55,999 --> 01:55:57,626
by congressional representatives

2561
01:55:57,626 --> 01:55:59,167
inspecting these facilities and

2562
01:55:59,167 --> 01:56:00,834
receiving testimonials from

2563
01:56:00,834 --> 01:56:02,250
those who have been detained.

2564
01:56:02,250 --> 01:56:05,250
in 2025, there were 32 deaths of

2565
01:56:05,999 --> 01:56:08,542
people in I.c.e. Custody. It's

2566
01:56:08,542 --> 01:56:10,918
the deadliest year in two

2567
01:56:10,918 --> 01:56:13,918
decades. In 2026, just in these

2568
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:16,000
few short months, we've

2569
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:16,999
already -- there's already been

2570
01:56:16,999 --> 01:56:20,584
at least 13 deaths in I.c.e.

2571
01:56:20,584 --> 01:56:23,584
custody. In 2025, the office of

2572
01:56:23,584 --> 01:56:25,292
the california attorney general,

2573
01:56:25,292 --> 01:56:28,292
the highest rank law enforcement

2574
01:56:29,209 --> 01:56:32,125
officer in our state rob banta

2575
01:56:32,125 --> 01:56:34,525
inspected all eight detainment

2576
01:56:34,999 --> 01:56:35,999
facilities in california and

2577
01:56:35,999 --> 01:56:37,584
released a report titled

2578
01:56:37,584 --> 01:56:39,000
immigration detention in

2579
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,000
california, a comprehensive

2580
01:56:41,375 --> 01:56:43,459
review with a focus on mental

2581
01:56:43,459 --> 01:56:44,584
health. In that report, the

2582
01:56:44,584 --> 01:56:45,999
attorney general found that

2583
01:56:45,999 --> 01:56:47,542
medical care across all eight

2584
01:56:47,542 --> 01:56:49,751
facilities in california were

2585
01:56:49,751 --> 01:56:51,420
grossly inadequate with many

2586
01:56:51,420 --> 01:56:53,420
healthcare position unfilled.

2587
01:56:53,417 --> 01:56:55,250
mental healthcare was even worse

2588
01:56:55,250 --> 01:56:57,459
with psychiatry care at several

2589
01:56:57,459 --> 01:56:59,834
detention facilities provided by

2590
01:56:59,834 --> 01:57:02,834
one psychiatrist. We know that

2591
01:57:05,999 --> 01:57:08,250
other counties have chosen not

2592
01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:11,250
to transfer folks. This county

2593
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:14,292
continues to do so. And not

2594
01:57:14,292 --> 01:57:15,918
only does it continue to do so,

2595
01:57:15,918 --> 01:57:17,999
it transfers more than any other

2596
01:57:17,999 --> 01:57:19,420
county that is chosen to do

2597
01:57:19,420 --> 01:57:21,999
that. I'm very troubled about

2598
01:57:21,999 --> 01:57:24,417
the fact that -- specifically in

2599
01:57:24,417 --> 01:57:26,334
our vietnamese community, which

2600
01:57:26,334 --> 01:57:27,459
only makes up about 16% of our

2601
01:57:27,459 --> 01:57:29,999
county population, yet, they are

2602
01:57:29,999 --> 01:57:32,399
represented about 27% of those

2603
01:57:33,459 --> 01:57:34,999
transferred to I.c.e. Custody.

2604
01:57:34,999 --> 01:57:37,417
that means 73 people out of the

2605
01:57:37,417 --> 01:57:39,817
271 that were transferred. By

2606
01:57:41,999 --> 01:57:44,000
not collaborating with I.c.e.,

2607
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:45,999
the communities that have chosen

2608
01:57:45,999 --> 01:57:48,420
not to transfer have seen no

2609
01:57:48,420 --> 01:57:51,642
increase in crime. So the nexus

2610
01:57:51,999 --> 01:57:54,420
between transferring people who

2611
01:57:54,420 --> 01:57:54,999
served their time and have

2612
01:57:54,999 --> 01:57:57,999
I.c.e. Detainers doesn't seem to

2613
01:57:57,999 --> 01:58:00,999
have the data to support that

2614
01:58:00,999 --> 01:58:03,999
decision. Also l.a. County

2615
01:58:04,125 --> 01:58:06,125
sheriff's department saved 1.4

2616
01:58:07,209 --> 01:58:08,999
million-dollars of staff time in

2617
01:58:08,999 --> 01:58:11,959
one year by choosing not to

2618
01:58:11,959 --> 01:58:14,959
transfer. We know that right

2619
01:58:15,751 --> 01:58:17,000
now there is a government

2620
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:18,959
shutdown because of the dilemma

2621
01:58:18,959 --> 01:58:20,959
that our congressional

2622
01:58:20,959 --> 01:58:22,459
representatives are facing with

2623
01:58:22,459 --> 01:58:24,859
respect to funding homeland

2624
01:58:24,999 --> 01:58:27,830
security because of the

2625
01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:29,483
difficulty that they've had

2626
01:58:29,584 --> 01:58:33,184
funding I.c.e. And other

2627
01:58:33,250 --> 01:58:35,459
agencies such as that, that

2628
01:58:35,459 --> 01:58:37,751
continue to have agents that are

2629
01:58:37,751 --> 01:58:40,000
not trained, that are masked,

2630
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:41,959
and don't show identification.

2631
01:58:41,959 --> 01:58:43,999
we know that there's been

2632
01:58:43,999 --> 01:58:44,999
documented unconstitutional

2633
01:58:44,999 --> 01:58:47,399
practices and lawlessness by

2634
01:58:47,959 --> 01:58:50,209
I.c.e. And other enforcement

2635
01:58:50,209 --> 01:58:53,809
agencies. So if there ever was

2636
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,792
a year for us to step back and

2637
01:58:55,792 --> 01:58:59,000
say, do these transfers make our

2638
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,834
communities safer? This was it.

2639
01:59:01,834 --> 01:59:03,999
this was the moment to say, it

2640
01:59:03,999 --> 01:59:06,417
is so dangerous for somebody to

2641
01:59:06,417 --> 01:59:08,501
be placed in a detention center

2642
01:59:08,501 --> 01:59:09,999
with all the documented

2643
01:59:09,999 --> 01:59:12,399
problems, with people dying,

2644
01:59:13,334 --> 01:59:14,999
this was the moment to say, why

2645
01:59:14,999 --> 01:59:17,751
are other counties not seeing a

2646
01:59:17,751 --> 01:59:21,351
spike in crime once they decide

2647
01:59:21,417 --> 01:59:22,417
not to transfer folks? And we

2648
01:59:22,417 --> 01:59:24,751
could have assessed based upon

2649
01:59:24,751 --> 01:59:26,999
good data to see if that makes a

2650
01:59:26,999 --> 01:59:28,542
difference. I know that people

2651
01:59:28,542 --> 01:59:32,142
who commit crime should be in

2652
01:59:32,334 --> 01:59:34,709
custody and should be detained.

2653
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:38,309
but once that detention is over,

2654
01:59:38,375 --> 01:59:39,999
it become as choice. It's not

2655
01:59:39,999 --> 01:59:42,167
mandated, for us to transfer.

2656
01:59:42,167 --> 01:59:43,292
and many counties have chosen

2657
01:59:43,292 --> 01:59:46,420
not to. So that is the dilemma

2658
01:59:46,420 --> 01:59:49,642
before us, just to ask that

2659
01:59:49,959 --> 01:59:51,501
fundamental question, are we

2660
01:59:51,501 --> 01:59:52,459
safer as a result of this

2661
01:59:52,459 --> 01:59:54,859
practice? And that's something

2662
01:59:56,292 --> 01:59:57,667
that we've struggled with being

2663
01:59:57,667 --> 01:59:59,209
able to show. And so I know

2664
01:59:59,209 --> 02:00:02,209
that there are dangerous people

2665
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,250
that are undocumented and are

2666
02:00:05,250 --> 02:00:08,292
citizens who -- so we know that

2667
02:00:08,292 --> 02:00:10,584
nobody is saying release them,

2668
02:00:10,584 --> 02:00:12,417
don't have them serve time,

2669
02:00:12,417 --> 02:00:15,209
don't have them convicted or,

2670
02:00:15,209 --> 02:00:16,999
you know, in custody. We are

2671
02:00:16,999 --> 02:00:18,999
saying now that second step,

2672
02:00:18,999 --> 02:00:21,501
that is a volitional step.

2673
02:00:21,501 --> 02:00:23,876
it's something that we need

2674
02:00:23,876 --> 02:00:25,918
reconsider. So this is a public

2675
02:00:25,918 --> 02:00:28,209
forum. It is not something that

2676
02:00:28,209 --> 02:00:29,999
we can dictate to the sheriff.

2677
02:00:29,999 --> 02:00:32,000
he is a directly-elected

2678
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,959
official. This is the

2679
02:00:33,959 --> 02:00:34,999
opportunity for the public to

2680
02:00:34,999 --> 02:00:36,999
make its comments known, for the

2681
02:00:36,999 --> 02:00:38,959
board to make its comments for

2682
02:00:38,959 --> 02:00:40,667
the record. And, you know, my

2683
02:00:40,667 --> 02:00:41,417
comments have been consistent

2684
02:00:41,417 --> 02:00:43,876
all along. I actually hosted

2685
02:00:43,876 --> 02:00:45,876
every year since I've been on

2686
02:00:45,876 --> 02:00:47,792
this board a public forum at a

2687
02:00:47,792 --> 02:00:49,830
time in the evening when the

2688
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:50,751
public could come and ask

2689
02:00:50,751 --> 02:00:54,125
questions of me, of my staff, of

2690
02:00:54,125 --> 02:00:55,375
any representatives from the

2691
02:00:55,375 --> 02:00:56,918
sheriffs because I believe it's

2692
02:00:56,918 --> 02:00:59,318
important. The legislature and

2693
02:00:59,542 --> 02:01:01,999
its wisdom made sure that we had

2694
02:01:01,999 --> 02:01:04,209
a document for this. And again,

2695
02:01:04,209 --> 02:01:05,999
this is an irregular year. This

2696
02:01:05,999 --> 02:01:08,250
was a moment when we said --

2697
02:01:08,250 --> 02:01:09,626
when we could have said, it is

2698
02:01:09,626 --> 02:01:10,999
so dangerous -- because I don't

2699
02:01:10,999 --> 02:01:13,709
think the sheriff operates the

2700
02:01:13,709 --> 02:01:15,000
local county jails and anything

2701
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:17,999
close to the conditions that

2702
02:01:17,999 --> 02:01:19,584
these detention centers are. So

2703
02:01:19,584 --> 02:01:21,834
why would we transfer folks from

2704
02:01:21,834 --> 02:01:23,375
what is a safe condition in our

2705
02:01:23,375 --> 02:01:25,999
jails to a possibly fatal

2706
02:01:25,999 --> 02:01:28,000
condition in other detention

2707
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,667
centers? So those are my

2708
02:01:30,667 --> 02:01:32,751
comments for the record. I

2709
02:01:32,751 --> 02:01:34,999
appreciate the work that the

2710
02:01:34,999 --> 02:01:36,667
orange county rapid response

2711
02:01:36,667 --> 02:01:39,667
network continues to do. It's

2712
02:01:40,334 --> 02:01:40,999
not something you should be

2713
02:01:40,999 --> 02:01:43,999
doing. It is incredibly insane

2714
02:01:44,250 --> 02:01:47,850
that we have to be protecting

2715
02:01:47,999 --> 02:01:49,420
neighbors who are going through

2716
02:01:49,420 --> 02:01:51,442
the immigration process, people

2717
02:01:51,999 --> 02:01:53,792
who have children who served in

2718
02:01:53,792 --> 02:01:54,792
the military, who are being

2719
02:01:54,792 --> 02:01:57,417
detained, and all abuse and

2720
02:01:57,417 --> 02:01:58,959
unconstitutional violations that

2721
02:01:58,959 --> 02:02:01,999
we've seen. I want to thanking

2722
02:02:01,999 --> 02:02:03,709
harbor institute for providing

2723
02:02:03,709 --> 02:02:06,109
the documents, data, the

2724
02:02:06,959 --> 02:02:08,999
analysis, kim and grant

2725
02:02:08,999 --> 02:02:12,599
defenders as well. I know that

2726
02:02:12,834 --> 02:02:14,999
the chairman and I -- when the

2727
02:02:14,999 --> 02:02:16,751
salaries were increased for the

2728
02:02:16,751 --> 02:02:17,999
supervisors, that increase that

2729
02:02:17,999 --> 02:02:19,959
we received as a family, me

2730
02:02:19,959 --> 02:02:21,918
personally, was $50,000 that I

2731
02:02:21,918 --> 02:02:22,999
donated to immigrant defenders

2732
02:02:22,999 --> 02:02:25,999
because I know that a person

2733
02:02:25,999 --> 02:02:27,501
without counsel has zero chance

2734
02:02:27,501 --> 02:02:30,334
of making their case, possibly

2735
02:02:30,334 --> 02:02:32,125
being bonded out, and preventing

2736
02:02:32,125 --> 02:02:34,374
a removal. So I hope that was

2737
02:02:34,374 --> 02:02:35,751
used well.

2738
02:02:35,751 --> 02:02:37,417
it was intended well, and I know

2739
02:02:37,417 --> 02:02:41,170
that this board allowed me to

2740
02:02:41,771 --> 02:02:43,214
use my discretionary moneys to

2741
02:02:43,214 --> 02:02:44,781
the amount of half a

2742
02:02:44,781 --> 02:02:46,792
million-dollars that was matched

2743
02:02:46,792 --> 02:02:48,250
by two foundations to begin

2744
02:02:48,250 --> 02:02:50,454
something called the liberty

2745
02:02:50,454 --> 02:02:51,311
fund. And that was to empower

2746
02:02:51,311 --> 02:02:53,435
immigrant families, to be able

2747
02:02:53,435 --> 02:02:55,209
to represent themselves and to

2748
02:02:55,209 --> 02:02:57,000
also retain security council

2749
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,250
they could be accompanied to

2750
02:02:59,250 --> 02:03:00,918
hearings. So I am proud of the

2751
02:03:00,918 --> 02:03:03,420
work that you've all inspired me

2752
02:03:03,420 --> 02:03:04,420
to do. I will continue to do

2753
02:03:04,420 --> 02:03:06,918
that. I hope that they will

2754
02:03:06,918 --> 02:03:09,459
come -- the day will come when

2755
02:03:09,459 --> 02:03:11,542
this county just steps back and

2756
02:03:11,542 --> 02:03:12,999
realizes, does this make sense?

2757
02:03:12,999 --> 02:03:16,334
is there a net benefit? Are we

2758
02:03:16,334 --> 02:03:16,999
eroding public trust so much

2759
02:03:16,999 --> 02:03:19,399
that this is counter-productive?

2760
02:03:19,542 --> 02:03:20,999
and that's something that we

2761
02:03:20,999 --> 02:03:22,375
haven't done in earnest, and I

2762
02:03:22,375 --> 02:03:24,420
hope we will. I'm not saying

2763
02:03:24,420 --> 02:03:26,000
that this -- that's the right

2764
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:27,125
way or the wrong way. But we

2765
02:03:27,125 --> 02:03:29,375
should certainly look at it and

2766
02:03:29,375 --> 02:03:31,417
make sure that we're doing the

2767
02:03:31,417 --> 02:03:32,999
right thing. So with that, I

2768
02:03:32,999 --> 02:03:33,999
just want to thank all of who

2769
02:03:33,999 --> 02:03:35,501
came and spoke, and I'll go

2770
02:03:35,501 --> 02:03:37,830
ahead and give it back to the

2771
02:03:37,830 --> 02:03:38,584
chair.

2772
02:03:38,584 --> 02:03:39,292
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

2773
02:03:39,292 --> 02:03:42,125
you, supervisor. Are there any

2774
02:03:42,125 --> 02:03:43,751
other comments from any other

2775
02:03:43,751 --> 02:03:45,999
supervisors? Let me just close,

2776
02:03:45,999 --> 02:03:49,125
then. I am dismayed by some of

2777
02:03:49,125 --> 02:03:51,459
the lawlessness that I see

2778
02:03:51,459 --> 02:03:53,859
immigration officers use. We

2779
02:03:54,709 --> 02:03:56,250
try to be a nation of laws, but

2780
02:03:56,250 --> 02:03:58,650
then law enforcement itself

2781
02:03:59,417 --> 02:04:00,876
doesn't obey the laws, and

2782
02:04:00,876 --> 02:04:02,250
that's very troubling. So let

2783
02:04:02,250 --> 02:04:06,450
me close on a positive note. I

2784
02:04:06,932 --> 02:04:08,542
sponsored the creation of the

2785
02:04:08,542 --> 02:04:10,125
office of immigration refugee

2786
02:04:10,125 --> 02:04:12,459
affairs and along with some

2787
02:04:12,459 --> 02:04:14,584
funding, and I was pleased that

2788
02:04:14,584 --> 02:04:16,999
the board approved that office.

2789
02:04:16,999 --> 02:04:19,918
it will be celebrating its

2790
02:04:19,918 --> 02:04:20,876
second year on april 8 in santa

2791
02:04:20,876 --> 02:04:22,209
ana. And there will be more

2792
02:04:22,209 --> 02:04:24,999
about that, but should be a

2793
02:04:24,999 --> 02:04:27,999
joyful celebration. It has not

2794
02:04:29,420 --> 02:04:30,417
been ability to do everything I

2795
02:04:30,417 --> 02:04:31,542
had hoped because of the

2796
02:04:31,542 --> 02:04:32,999
circumstances happening with

2797
02:04:32,999 --> 02:04:34,375
I.c.e. And others. So with

2798
02:04:34,375 --> 02:04:35,999
that, there are no further

2799
02:04:35,999 --> 02:04:36,876
comments, this is a "receive and

2800
02:04:36,876 --> 02:04:39,125
file" item, and I'm deeming it

2801
02:04:39,125 --> 02:04:40,918
received and filed, and we'll

2802
02:04:40,918 --> 02:04:44,518
move on now to supplement 31c.

2803
02:04:49,435 --> 02:04:50,911
>>clerk, robin stieler: s31c.

2804
02:04:50,911 --> 02:04:51,713
under supervisor wagner -

2805
02:04:51,713 --> 02:04:52,487
approve

2806
02:04:52,487 --> 02:04:53,472
sponsorship of various nonprofit

2807
02:04:53,472 --> 02:04:54,497
entities from third district

2808
02:04:54,497 --> 02:04:55,378
events funds; approve addition

2809
02:04:55,378 --> 02:04:55,876
or

2810
02:04:55,876 --> 02:04:56,751
revision of events to fy 2025-26

2811
02:04:56,751 --> 02:04:58,834
county events calendar; make

2812
02:04:58,834 --> 02:04:59,646
related findings under

2813
02:04:59,646 --> 02:05:00,918
government

2814
02:05:00,918 --> 02:05:01,999
code section 26227; and

2815
02:05:01,999 --> 02:05:02,651
authorize auditor-controller to

2816
02:05:02,651 --> 02:05:04,630
make related payments.

2817
02:05:04,630 --> 02:05:07,643
we have no requests on s31c.

2818
02:05:07,643 --> 02:05:08,833
>>chair, doug chaffee:

2819
02:05:08,833 --> 02:05:09,579
supervisor wagner, that's your

2820
02:05:09,579 --> 02:05:10,199
item.

2821
02:05:10,199 --> 02:05:11,642
>>don wagner: thank you,

2822
02:05:11,642 --> 02:05:12,333
mr. Chairman. And thank you for

2823
02:05:12,333 --> 02:05:13,944
advancing this item, routine use

2824
02:05:13,944 --> 02:05:16,230
of discretionary funds, I urge

2825
02:05:16,230 --> 02:05:17,380
an "aye" vote and move for

2826
02:05:17,380 --> 02:05:18,611
approval.

2827
02:05:18,611 --> 02:05:19,595
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

2828
02:05:19,595 --> 02:05:20,579
seconded by supervisor foley.

2829
02:05:20,579 --> 02:05:21,389
comment.

2830
02:05:21,389 --> 02:05:22,674
>>speaker: thank you, I will

2831
02:05:22,674 --> 02:05:26,274
abstain on this item, within the

2832
02:05:27,236 --> 02:05:29,261
90 days preceding an election a

2833
02:05:29,261 --> 02:05:30,454
member of the board who is on

2834
02:05:30,454 --> 02:05:31,311
the balance as a supervisor

2835
02:05:31,311 --> 02:05:32,296
district candidate of the board

2836
02:05:32,296 --> 02:05:33,571
and has an opponent on that

2837
02:05:33,571 --> 02:05:35,794
ballot shall not take any action

2838
02:05:35,794 --> 02:05:37,874
related to spending district

2839
02:05:37,874 --> 02:05:39,874
discretionary funds,.

2840
02:05:41,683 --> 02:05:43,383
>>vincente sarmiento: and I have

2841
02:05:43,383 --> 02:05:45,830
no problem with the item itself.

2842
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:47,751
for clarity, county counsel, I

2843
02:05:47,751 --> 02:05:48,584
respect the vice-chair's

2844
02:05:48,584 --> 02:05:50,709
analysis of it, and it is very,

2845
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:53,626
very, you know -- being almost

2846
02:05:53,626 --> 02:05:54,901
ultra careful with this, and I

2847
02:05:54,901 --> 02:05:57,167
want to do the same. You can

2848
02:05:57,167 --> 02:05:58,542
give us some guidance on this in

2849
02:05:58,542 --> 02:06:00,959
the event that, you know, it

2850
02:06:00,959 --> 02:06:01,918
isn't our item. We're not

2851
02:06:01,918 --> 02:06:03,999
moving our discretionary monies.

2852
02:06:03,999 --> 02:06:06,959
and again, I believe that ab2946

2853
02:06:06,959 --> 02:06:08,792
has sort of complicated things.

2854
02:06:08,792 --> 02:06:10,167
but we want to make sure that

2855
02:06:10,167 --> 02:06:11,999
we're both consistent. At least

2856
02:06:11,999 --> 02:06:13,999
I'm consistent.

2857
02:06:14,220 --> 02:06:14,959
>>leon page: thank you,

2858
02:06:14,959 --> 02:06:16,999
supervisor. Would you like me

2859
02:06:16,999 --> 02:06:18,417
to give that you advice now.

2860
02:06:18,417 --> 02:06:18,834
>>vincente sarmiento: yes.

2861
02:06:18,834 --> 02:06:20,000
summary, and then maybe you can

2862
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:20,999
give me sort of a deeper

2863
02:06:20,999 --> 02:06:22,209
analysis later.

2864
02:06:22,209 --> 02:06:23,876
>>leon page: sure. I do not

2865
02:06:23,876 --> 02:06:27,476
believe that you are required to

2866
02:06:27,667 --> 02:06:28,626
recuse yourself or for that

2867
02:06:28,626 --> 02:06:30,420
matter that supervisor foley is

2868
02:06:30,420 --> 02:06:32,167
required to recuse herself. I

2869
02:06:32,167 --> 02:06:33,167
believe that the statute was

2870
02:06:33,167 --> 02:06:36,167
intended to cover the member

2871
02:06:36,209 --> 02:06:37,918
putting the item on the agenda

2872
02:06:37,918 --> 02:06:40,167
only and not other members who

2873
02:06:40,167 --> 02:06:42,830
happen to be up for re-election.

2874
02:06:42,830 --> 02:06:42,999
>>vincente sarmiento: and I

2875
02:06:42,999 --> 02:06:44,876
understand the out of abundance

2876
02:06:44,876 --> 02:06:46,420
of caution, I do that often, but

2877
02:06:46,420 --> 02:06:49,375
to the extent that I am -- I

2878
02:06:49,375 --> 02:06:51,334
concur with what you said, and

2879
02:06:51,334 --> 02:06:52,999
that was my understanding of

2880
02:06:52,999 --> 02:06:55,417
that. Again, it's tricky. It's

2881
02:06:55,417 --> 02:06:55,999
the first time it's been, you

2882
02:06:55,999 --> 02:06:59,459
know, kind of rolled out, we're

2883
02:06:59,459 --> 02:07:00,334
putting it into effect or we're

2884
02:07:00,334 --> 02:07:02,667
subject to it. I'm going to

2885
02:07:02,667 --> 02:07:04,125
support it. I do believe that

2886
02:07:04,125 --> 02:07:07,167
it is -- my understanding the

2887
02:07:07,167 --> 02:07:08,709
way you read, but I completely

2888
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:10,709
understand the vice-chair's

2889
02:07:10,999 --> 02:07:13,399
cautionary position. Thank you.

2890
02:07:14,420 --> 02:07:15,542
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

2891
02:07:15,542 --> 02:07:16,167
further comments.

2892
02:07:16,167 --> 02:07:16,542
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yeah.

2893
02:07:16,542 --> 02:07:19,375
just for clarification, I just

2894
02:07:19,375 --> 02:07:20,375
don't want to take any chances

2895
02:07:20,375 --> 02:07:22,292
because of the way that it's

2896
02:07:22,292 --> 02:07:25,626
worded. It is I think subject

2897
02:07:25,626 --> 02:07:27,999
to having individuals take

2898
02:07:27,999 --> 02:07:30,000
advantage of it, file a

2899
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:31,667
complaint, and it's just

2900
02:07:31,667 --> 02:07:32,501
something I don't want to have

2901
02:07:32,501 --> 02:07:34,834
to deal with. Additionally as

2902
02:07:34,834 --> 02:07:36,959
it relates to this item, there's

2903
02:07:36,959 --> 02:07:39,420
actually two nonprofits that are

2904
02:07:39,420 --> 02:07:41,417
actually in my district. And so

2905
02:07:41,417 --> 02:07:43,830
I would feel that I would be

2906
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:44,792
subject to a complaint even

2907
02:07:44,792 --> 02:07:46,999
more. So that's why I'm erring

2908
02:07:46,999 --> 02:07:49,125
on the side of caution. I don't

2909
02:07:49,125 --> 02:07:50,918
want to have to deal with the

2910
02:07:50,918 --> 02:07:52,230
complaint.

2911
02:07:52,230 --> 02:07:53,167
>>chair, doug chaffee:

2912
02:07:53,167 --> 02:07:54,834
supervisor nguyen.

2913
02:07:54,834 --> 02:07:55,999
>>janet nguyen: mr. County

2914
02:07:55,999 --> 02:07:57,999
counsel, can we -- I think I

2915
02:07:57,999 --> 02:08:00,420
mentioned last time, but why

2916
02:08:00,420 --> 02:08:00,999
don't we make an official

2917
02:08:00,999 --> 02:08:03,372
request to the author to ask for

2918
02:08:03,372 --> 02:08:05,105
ledge council's opinion because

2919
02:08:05,105 --> 02:08:06,380
it's something that we'll have

2920
02:08:06,380 --> 02:08:06,999
to deal with in the future.

2921
02:08:06,999 --> 02:08:09,959
it'd be easier just to get ledge

2922
02:08:09,959 --> 02:08:11,501
council's opinion on it, and how

2923
02:08:11,501 --> 02:08:13,751
that works is he just needs toe

2924
02:08:13,751 --> 02:08:15,999
ask ledge counsel. It is a

2925
02:08:15,999 --> 02:08:17,792
confidential memo to him. He

2926
02:08:17,792 --> 02:08:19,250
chooses if he lets us have that

2927
02:08:19,250 --> 02:08:20,626
information or not. But if

2928
02:08:20,626 --> 02:08:22,420
we're asking for, it I'm sure he

2929
02:08:22,420 --> 02:08:24,417
would. So I think it's just for

2930
02:08:24,417 --> 02:08:26,751
us going forward, and if there

2931
02:08:26,751 --> 02:08:28,999
needs some clarification for

2932
02:08:28,999 --> 02:08:30,834
amendments, then we can also

2933
02:08:30,834 --> 02:08:32,918
have that conversation with him

2934
02:08:32,918 --> 02:08:33,918
just to clarify so that it's

2935
02:08:33,918 --> 02:08:36,000
very clear what can and cannot

2936
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,728
be done.

2937
02:08:37,728 --> 02:08:38,250
>>leon page: thank you,

2938
02:08:38,250 --> 02:08:39,792
supervisor. We absolutely can

2939
02:08:39,792 --> 02:08:42,209
do that. We can ask the

2940
02:08:42,209 --> 02:08:44,709
legislator to ask ledge counsel.

2941
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:46,125
unfortunately an opinion from

2942
02:08:46,125 --> 02:08:48,209
legislative counsel would not

2943
02:08:48,209 --> 02:08:49,420
provide a board member with an

2944
02:08:49,420 --> 02:08:51,125
affirmative defense. But an

2945
02:08:51,125 --> 02:08:51,999
attorney general opinion would,

2946
02:08:51,999 --> 02:08:52,999
which is another step that

2947
02:08:52,999 --> 02:08:54,626
perhaps we could take.

2948
02:08:54,626 --> 02:08:55,876
>>janet nguyen: I would start

2949
02:08:55,876 --> 02:08:59,476
with let council because if it's

2950
02:08:59,667 --> 02:09:01,375
a tweak that needs to add words

2951
02:09:01,375 --> 02:09:02,999
or just a clarification, he can

2952
02:09:02,999 --> 02:09:05,000
maybe consider anticipating it

2953
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:06,125
next year, and then you can go

2954
02:09:06,125 --> 02:09:08,108
further. But usually members

2955
02:09:08,108 --> 02:09:11,708
don't ask for ag's opinion until

2956
02:09:12,610 --> 02:09:14,834
they're dead senate they're not

2957
02:09:14,834 --> 02:09:16,918
going to make any changes to it.

2958
02:09:16,918 --> 02:09:18,334
we don't even know if there

2959
02:09:18,334 --> 02:09:19,542
needs to be changes.

2960
02:09:19,542 --> 02:09:20,000
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's been

2961
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:21,667
moved and second. Madam clerk,

2962
02:09:21,667 --> 02:09:23,250
for charity, would you do a roll

2963
02:09:23,250 --> 02:09:24,451
call vote, please.

2964
02:09:24,451 --> 02:09:25,292
>>clerk, robin stieler:

2965
02:09:25,292 --> 02:09:27,292
supervisor wagner.

2966
02:09:29,375 --> 02:09:29,999
>>don wagner: aye.

2967
02:09:29,999 --> 02:09:30,918
>>clerk, robin stieler:

2968
02:09:30,918 --> 02:09:32,918
supervisor nguyen. Supervisor

2969
02:09:39,292 --> 02:09:41,292
sarmiento. Vice-chair foley.

2970
02:09:42,783 --> 02:09:43,847
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

2971
02:09:43,847 --> 02:09:45,520
abstain.

2972
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:46,440
>>clerk, robin stieler: chair

2973
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:46,862
chaffee.

2974
02:09:46,862 --> 02:09:48,830
>>chair, doug chaffee: aye.

2975
02:09:48,830 --> 02:09:51,813
>>chair, doug chaffee: 4 yes and

2976
02:09:51,813 --> 02:09:53,546
votes 1 abstention. I wasn't

2977
02:09:53,546 --> 02:09:56,488
sure about that. All right,

2978
02:09:56,488 --> 02:09:58,721
madam clerk, let's move on to

2979
02:09:58,721 --> 02:10:00,721
supplement 31d.

2980
02:10:01,306 --> 02:10:02,318
>>clerk, robin stieler: s31d.

2981
02:10:02,318 --> 02:10:04,217
under supervisor wagner -

2982
02:10:04,217 --> 02:10:05,119
development processing review

2983
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:06,727
committee - appoint

2984
02:10:06,727 --> 02:10:08,754
stephanie mari fabbri carter,

2985
02:10:08,754 --> 02:10:10,584
tustin, for term concurrent with

2986
02:10:10,584 --> 02:10:11,334
third district supervisor’s term

2987
02:10:11,334 --> 02:10:12,551
of office.

2988
02:10:12,551 --> 02:10:15,292
and we have no requests to speak

2989
02:10:15,292 --> 02:10:16,999
on s31d.

2990
02:10:16,999 --> 02:10:18,417
>>don wagner: this should be

2991
02:10:18,417 --> 02:10:19,834
much easier not spending any

2992
02:10:19,834 --> 02:10:22,420
money. I move for approval.

2993
02:10:22,420 --> 02:10:22,751
>>chair, doug chaffee: second.

2994
02:10:22,751 --> 02:10:23,999
any objection? The item is

2995
02:10:23,999 --> 02:10:26,834
approved. A slight switch here,

2996
02:10:26,834 --> 02:10:30,434
let's do supplement -- lost it

2997
02:10:38,167 --> 02:10:38,999
somewhere. But I think we want

2998
02:10:38,999 --> 02:10:40,667
to dot sheriffs items next,

2999
02:10:40,667 --> 02:10:44,267
which is supplement 31f and g.

3000
02:10:46,834 --> 02:10:47,542
>>clerk, robin stieler: f and g

3001
02:10:47,542 --> 02:10:48,918
are the sheriffs.

3002
02:10:48,918 --> 02:10:50,334
>>chair, doug chaffee: yeah,

3003
02:10:50,334 --> 02:10:52,334
let's do that.

3004
02:10:54,959 --> 02:10:55,459
>>clerk, robin stieler: s31f.

3005
02:10:55,459 --> 02:10:56,830
under sheriff-coroner - accept

3006
02:10:56,830 --> 02:10:57,125
donation from orange county

3007
02:10:57,125 --> 02:10:58,125
sheriff's advisory council

3008
02:10:58,125 --> 02:10:59,830
of architectural and engineering

3009
02:10:59,830 --> 02:11:00,125
plans, contract management,

3010
02:11:00,125 --> 02:11:01,209
permit processing, labor

3011
02:11:01,209 --> 02:11:01,334
and materials for construction

3012
02:11:01,334 --> 02:11:02,125
of

3013
02:11:02,125 --> 02:11:03,830
modular tactical training

3014
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:04,125
building adjacent to sandra

3015
02:11:04,125 --> 02:11:04,250
hutchens regional law

3016
02:11:04,250 --> 02:11:05,420
enforcement

3017
02:11:05,420 --> 02:11:05,999
training center (estimated value

3018
02:11:05,999 --> 02:11:06,999
$15,000,000); adopt resolution

3019
02:11:06,999 --> 02:11:07,876
approving license with orange

3020
02:11:07,876 --> 02:11:07,999
county sheriff')s advisory

3021
02:11:07,999 --> 02:11:09,209
council

3022
02:11:09,209 --> 02:11:10,709
and making findings under

3023
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:12,542
government code 26227 and other

3024
02:11:12,542 --> 02:11:12,667
related findings; authorize

3025
02:11:12,667 --> 02:11:13,999
chief

3026
02:11:13,999 --> 02:11:15,417
real estate officer or designee

3027
02:11:15,417 --> 02:11:16,542
to execute license, related

3028
02:11:16,542 --> 02:11:17,751
documents and amendments under

3029
02:11:17,751 --> 02:11:18,792
certain conditions; and make

3030
02:11:18,792 --> 02:11:19,709
california environmental

3031
02:11:19,709 --> 02:11:20,709
quality act (ceqa) exemption

3032
02:11:20,709 --> 02:11:22,761
findings under ceqa guidelines

3033
02:11:22,761 --> 02:11:24,761
section 15303.

3034
02:11:26,667 --> 02:11:29,829
and we have no requests to speak

3035
02:11:29,829 --> 02:11:31,527
on s31f.

3036
02:11:31,527 --> 02:11:32,559
>>chair, doug chaffee: is that

3037
02:11:32,559 --> 02:11:34,251
an all-district item.

3038
02:11:34,251 --> 02:11:35,455
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

3039
02:11:35,455 --> 02:11:36,650
second.

3040
02:11:36,650 --> 02:11:37,162
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

3041
02:11:37,162 --> 02:11:38,353
objection? Supervisor nguyen?

3042
02:11:38,353 --> 02:11:39,211
>>janet nguyen: I'm just

3043
02:11:39,211 --> 02:11:40,778
excited. Thank you, sheriff,

3044
02:11:40,778 --> 02:11:42,584
thank you, everybody, for

3045
02:11:42,584 --> 02:11:44,292
putting this together. This is

3046
02:11:44,292 --> 02:11:46,792
so exciting for the county and

3047
02:11:46,792 --> 02:11:48,830
all the work that the sheriff

3048
02:11:48,830 --> 02:11:49,459
and his staff has done in terms

3049
02:11:49,459 --> 02:11:51,859
of the training center.

3050
02:11:51,999 --> 02:11:53,626
congratulations, and looking

3051
02:11:53,626 --> 02:11:55,626
forward to it.

3052
02:11:55,751 --> 02:11:56,584
>>chair, doug chaffee: and if no

3053
02:11:56,584 --> 02:11:58,000
objection, the item is approved.

3054
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,501
thank you, sheriff. And now

3055
02:11:59,501 --> 02:12:03,209
let's go on to supplement -- the

3056
02:12:03,209 --> 02:12:06,209
other sheriffs -- g. Okay.

3057
02:12:07,420 --> 02:12:07,918
>>clerk, robin stieler: s31g.

3058
02:12:07,918 --> 02:12:08,959
under sheriff-coroner - approve

3059
02:12:08,959 --> 02:12:10,830
amendment 2 to contract with

3060
02:12:10,830 --> 02:12:11,250
global tel (link corporation dba

3061
02:12:11,250 --> 02:12:12,999
viapath technologies for inmate

3062
02:12:12,999 --> 02:12:14,999
communication services; and

3063
02:12:15,375 --> 02:12:16,417
authorize county procurement

3064
02:12:16,417 --> 02:12:18,497
officer or deputized designee to

3065
02:12:18,497 --> 02:12:18,999
execute amendment.

3066
02:12:18,999 --> 02:12:21,957
we have no requests to speak on

3067
02:12:21,957 --> 02:12:23,483
s31g.

3068
02:12:23,483 --> 02:12:25,589
>>chair, doug chaffee: move for

3069
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:27,608
approval? Moved and seconded.

3070
02:12:27,608 --> 02:12:28,433
supervisor sarmiento.

3071
02:12:28,433 --> 02:12:29,576
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank

3072
02:12:29,576 --> 02:12:31,184
you, mr. Chair. This is an

3073
02:12:31,184 --> 02:12:33,584
amendment number 2 for the

3074
02:12:33,925 --> 02:12:36,925
contract with gtl doing business

3075
02:12:36,949 --> 02:12:40,309
as via path. When this contract

3076
02:12:40,309 --> 02:12:41,876
came before the board the last

3077
02:12:41,876 --> 02:12:44,876
time on june 27, 2023, I voted

3078
02:12:45,459 --> 02:12:49,292
no. And the reason was that the

3079
02:12:49,292 --> 02:12:51,792
vendor via path refused to

3080
02:12:51,792 --> 02:12:53,420
indemnify the county in a

3081
02:12:53,420 --> 02:12:55,334
lawsuit. The vendor was

3082
02:12:55,334 --> 02:12:56,999
defending against due to a phone

3083
02:12:56,999 --> 02:12:59,399
call billing rate commission.

3084
02:12:59,459 --> 02:13:01,584
that, I believe, continues to be

3085
02:13:01,584 --> 02:13:04,584
unresolved, and I believe that

3086
02:13:05,250 --> 02:13:08,584
this asr didn't capture it. But

3087
02:13:08,584 --> 02:13:10,834
I am not going to be supportive

3088
02:13:10,834 --> 02:13:11,667
for that reason. But also

3089
02:13:11,667 --> 02:13:13,918
because I've had some personal

3090
02:13:13,918 --> 02:13:16,167
experience with this vendor and

3091
02:13:16,167 --> 02:13:18,417
their services have been less

3092
02:13:18,417 --> 02:13:21,417
than adequate. One of the

3093
02:13:21,459 --> 02:13:23,959
things that -- in reading this

3094
02:13:23,959 --> 02:13:25,542
asr, and this is sort of outside

3095
02:13:25,542 --> 02:13:26,999
the subject matter of this

3096
02:13:26,999 --> 02:13:30,599
vendor -- was just the music

3097
02:13:31,292 --> 02:13:33,250
facility not having in-person

3098
02:13:33,250 --> 02:13:34,918
visitation. And I know that

3099
02:13:34,918 --> 02:13:37,000
that's something that was

3100
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,125
grandfathered in before the

3101
02:13:39,125 --> 02:13:40,999
legislature required that all

3102
02:13:40,999 --> 02:13:42,999
facilities have in-person

3103
02:13:43,999 --> 02:13:45,292
visitation ability. So I do

3104
02:13:45,292 --> 02:13:48,250
think that, you know, this is, I

3105
02:13:48,250 --> 02:13:52,450
believe, a video or way to visit

3106
02:13:54,150 --> 02:13:56,259
somebody through a device,

3107
02:13:56,259 --> 02:13:58,824
tablet. And I know that the

3108
02:13:58,824 --> 02:14:01,933
county is able to pay for the

3109
02:14:01,933 --> 02:14:05,533
first two visits by video, and

3110
02:14:05,542 --> 02:14:08,899
then I believe the inmate in

3111
02:14:08,899 --> 02:14:10,924
custody or their family has to

3112
02:14:10,924 --> 02:14:13,617
pay for any subsequent ones. So

3113
02:14:13,617 --> 02:14:15,974
there are two 30-minute videos.

3114
02:14:15,974 --> 02:14:17,334
I guess the question to me is,

3115
02:14:17,334 --> 02:14:20,567
you know -- it's more of a query

3116
02:14:20,567 --> 02:14:23,954
about our facility in irvine, at

3117
02:14:23,954 --> 02:14:24,709
music facility. The fact that

3118
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:26,125
there is no in-person

3119
02:14:26,125 --> 02:14:27,999
visitation, even though it's

3120
02:14:27,999 --> 02:14:30,399
required now, we've predated

3121
02:14:30,999 --> 02:14:32,667
that law -- doesn't mean we

3122
02:14:32,667 --> 02:14:34,584
shouldn't consider it. I do

3123
02:14:34,584 --> 02:14:36,334
believe that, you know, the

3124
02:14:36,334 --> 02:14:40,830
facility here in santa ana has a

3125
02:14:40,830 --> 02:14:42,830
in-person visitation opportunity

3126
02:14:43,167 --> 02:14:46,767
there in space. I guess we

3127
02:14:47,918 --> 02:14:48,751
can't even release folks from

3128
02:14:48,751 --> 02:14:51,542
the music facility in irvine.

3129
02:14:51,542 --> 02:14:52,542
they have to be transferred to

3130
02:14:52,542 --> 02:14:54,459
santa ana to be released. So

3131
02:14:54,459 --> 02:14:54,918
those are things that are

3132
02:14:54,918 --> 02:14:57,834
troubling to me. And I do want

3133
02:14:57,834 --> 02:14:58,542
to make sure that we revisit

3134
02:14:58,542 --> 02:15:00,918
those. But mr. Chair, based

3135
02:15:00,918 --> 02:15:02,375
upon the reasons stated, I am

3136
02:15:02,375 --> 02:15:04,709
going to be consistent went my

3137
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:06,000
vote from last time, and I'll be

3138
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:07,792
a no vote on this item.

3139
02:15:07,792 --> 02:15:07,918
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

3140
02:15:07,918 --> 02:15:10,918
right. Any other comments? I

3141
02:15:11,417 --> 02:15:12,417
think I -- do we have a motion

3142
02:15:12,417 --> 02:15:15,417
already made? All right. Any

3143
02:15:17,417 --> 02:15:18,542
other objections besides

3144
02:15:18,542 --> 02:15:20,542
supervisor sarmiento? All

3145
02:15:20,792 --> 02:15:23,792
right, then, the matter carries

3146
02:15:23,999 --> 02:15:26,399
4 in favor, 1 opposed. We're

3147
02:15:27,859 --> 02:15:30,751
going to pull another blip and

3148
02:15:30,751 --> 02:15:32,167
take care of the last sheriffs

3149
02:15:32,167 --> 02:15:34,567
item, which is item 12.

3150
02:15:38,897 --> 02:15:39,834
>>clerk, robin stieler: 12.

3151
02:15:39,834 --> 02:15:40,250
under

3152
02:15:40,250 --> 02:15:40,999
sheriff-coroner - approve

3153
02:15:40,999 --> 02:15:41,918
subordinate contract

3154
02:15:41,918 --> 02:15:42,834
ma-060-26010796 with wcc

3155
02:15:42,834 --> 02:15:42,959
technologies group for

3156
02:15:42,959 --> 02:15:43,626
structured

3157
02:15:43,626 --> 02:15:44,626
cabling and installation

3158
02:15:44,626 --> 02:15:45,459
services, term ending 2/28/27

3159
02:15:45,459 --> 02:15:46,292
($1,600,000); renewable for one

3160
02:15:46,292 --> 02:15:47,000
additional one-year term; and

3161
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:47,999
authorize county procurement

3162
02:15:47,999 --> 02:15:48,584
officer or deputized designee to

3163
02:15:48,584 --> 02:15:48,709
execute contract.

3164
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:51,432
we have no requests to speak on

3165
02:15:51,432 --> 02:15:52,670
agenda item 12 he.

3166
02:15:52,670 --> 02:15:53,795
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

3167
02:15:53,795 --> 02:15:54,376
the item.

3168
02:15:54,376 --> 02:15:55,358
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

3169
02:15:55,358 --> 02:15:57,358
objection? Motion carries.

3170
02:15:57,383 --> 02:15:59,448
thank you. Let's get to

3171
02:15:59,448 --> 02:16:01,654
supplement 31e, which could take

3172
02:16:01,654 --> 02:16:03,435
some time.

3173
02:16:03,435 --> 02:16:04,334
>>clerk, robin stieler: s31e.

3174
02:16:04,334 --> 02:16:05,270
under internal audit - receive

3175
02:16:05,270 --> 02:16:05,942
and file forensic audit of

3176
02:16:05,942 --> 02:16:06,278
county

3177
02:16:06,278 --> 02:16:07,220
contracts phase one report and

3178
02:16:07,220 --> 02:16:08,997
related presentation by weaver

3179
02:16:08,997 --> 02:16:11,997
and tidwell, l.l.p.

3180
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:19,400
and we have one speaker.

3181
02:16:22,523 --> 02:16:24,523
steven mcmally

3182
02:16:45,133 --> 02:16:48,133
>>speaker: I'm steve mcmally and

3183
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:56,990
I'm here today to express an

3184
02:16:56,990 --> 02:16:58,626
opinion about this being a

3185
02:16:58,626 --> 02:17:01,626
supplemental item rather than a

3186
02:17:01,999 --> 02:17:03,959
regular item. It's always

3187
02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:07,751
bothered me when things are on a

3188
02:17:07,751 --> 02:17:09,167
supplemental basis and I can't

3189
02:17:09,167 --> 02:17:12,167
see the backup, and it

3190
02:17:14,626 --> 02:17:17,626
frustrates me because I've read

3191
02:17:17,709 --> 02:17:19,959
the report because I got it from

3192
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:22,420
a public source, but I didn't

3193
02:17:22,420 --> 02:17:24,542
get it from the people I'm

3194
02:17:24,542 --> 02:17:28,420
looking for to get it from. And

3195
02:17:28,420 --> 02:17:31,420
that's upsetting. Also when you

3196
02:17:32,999 --> 02:17:35,334
give away the ability to control

3197
02:17:35,334 --> 02:17:36,709
the communication and the

3198
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:40,309
narrative on a topic, then we

3199
02:17:40,626 --> 02:17:43,417
get what I call misplaced,

3200
02:17:43,417 --> 02:17:45,000
misdirected public upset that

3201
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:48,000
becomes public anger. And I

3202
02:17:48,918 --> 02:17:52,125
have that anger myself, but it's

3203
02:17:52,125 --> 02:17:54,125
mostly frustration when people

3204
02:17:54,125 --> 02:17:56,584
come up here for three minutes

3205
02:17:56,584 --> 02:17:58,417
that maybe becomes two, maybe

3206
02:17:58,417 --> 02:17:59,834
becomes one. It's not easy to

3207
02:17:59,834 --> 02:18:00,667
make public comment. It's not

3208
02:18:00,667 --> 02:18:02,830
easy to make public comment that

3209
02:18:02,830 --> 02:18:04,334
you think you're making a public

3210
02:18:04,334 --> 02:18:05,000
comment that you don't think

3211
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:07,250
people want to hear. But

3212
02:18:07,250 --> 02:18:08,792
there's a couple of things, like

3213
02:18:08,792 --> 02:18:09,626
I would go to the county press

3214
02:18:09,626 --> 02:18:12,626
releases to look for this.

3215
02:18:12,999 --> 02:18:15,830
don't see one. I get

3216
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:17,459
everyone -- every supervisor's

3217
02:18:17,459 --> 02:18:19,709
newsletter. So there may have

3218
02:18:19,709 --> 02:18:21,959
been a link. I don't know. I'm

3219
02:18:21,959 --> 02:18:25,420
not going to go there. And I'm

3220
02:18:25,420 --> 02:18:27,542
just wondering when this was

3221
02:18:27,542 --> 02:18:30,375
such an important topic, it's

3222
02:18:30,375 --> 02:18:32,709
put as a supplemental item so I

3223
02:18:32,709 --> 02:18:34,999
have to go outside of my

3224
02:18:34,999 --> 02:18:37,999
supervisors to find it. And

3225
02:18:38,420 --> 02:18:40,542
then a lot's been made about how

3226
02:18:40,542 --> 02:18:43,375
much has changed from supervisor

3227
02:18:43,375 --> 02:18:46,375
dough. This was all a

3228
02:18:46,584 --> 02:18:48,984
supervisor dough concern. There

3229
02:18:48,999 --> 02:18:52,584
was an mhsa audit done back in

3230
02:18:52,584 --> 02:18:56,184
2021. That also you had to find

3231
02:18:56,250 --> 02:18:58,918
on the vendors website because

3232
02:18:58,918 --> 02:19:00,417
when you asked for it, you

3233
02:19:00,417 --> 02:19:03,417
didn't receive it. Also a

3234
02:19:05,459 --> 02:19:08,834
county ad hoc at that time ran

3235
02:19:08,834 --> 02:19:10,999
multiple, multiple years and

3236
02:19:10,999 --> 02:19:13,209
brought up publically in many

3237
02:19:13,209 --> 02:19:15,209
boards, commission, committee

3238
02:19:15,542 --> 02:19:17,942
meetings and went unaddressed.

3239
02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:19,751
the problem was known way

3240
02:19:19,751 --> 02:19:21,876
before, and yet we couldn't get

3241
02:19:21,876 --> 02:19:25,476
any kind of traction. So that's

3242
02:19:26,250 --> 02:19:27,375
sort of where we are today,

3243
02:19:27,375 --> 02:19:29,292
where we were, and maybe how

3244
02:19:29,292 --> 02:19:32,375
much different really is it? So

3245
02:19:32,375 --> 02:19:33,999
where we could be with the

3246
02:19:33,999 --> 02:19:35,999
reciprocal relationships built

3247
02:19:36,292 --> 02:19:37,959
upon trust between the board and

3248
02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:40,334
the community, and that would

3249
02:19:40,334 --> 02:19:43,334
basically be based on openness,

3250
02:19:43,999 --> 02:19:46,999
willingness and open access to

3251
02:19:47,792 --> 02:19:50,792
the supervisors when asked, the

3252
02:19:51,167 --> 02:19:53,830
board, committee, or commission

3253
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:53,999
in the county. Thank you.

3254
02:19:53,999 --> 02:19:54,830
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

3255
02:19:54,830 --> 02:19:54,918
you, sir.

3256
02:19:54,918 --> 02:19:55,459
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

3257
02:19:55,459 --> 02:19:57,000
further requests, mr. Chair.

3258
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,417
>>chair, doug chaffee: for this,

3259
02:19:59,417 --> 02:20:02,459
a receive of the forensic audit.

3260
02:20:02,459 --> 02:20:05,417
are there any comments -- do we

3261
02:20:05,417 --> 02:20:05,834
have a staff presentation? I

3262
02:20:05,834 --> 02:20:07,999
think there was some request. I

3263
02:20:07,999 --> 02:20:10,209
don't remember. Okay. From the

3264
02:20:10,209 --> 02:20:13,209
auditors, I believe. Thank you

3265
02:20:18,709 --> 02:20:20,792
for waiting. I'm sorry we had a

3266
02:20:20,792 --> 02:20:21,626
number of items that took some

3267
02:20:21,626 --> 02:20:22,209
time.

3268
02:20:22,209 --> 02:20:23,334
>>speaker: not a problem. Good

3269
02:20:23,334 --> 02:20:25,417
morning, board, chair chaffee,

3270
02:20:25,417 --> 02:20:26,292
members of the board. My name

3271
02:20:26,292 --> 02:20:28,417
is travis casner. I'm a partner

3272
02:20:28,417 --> 02:20:30,420
with weaver & tidwell, and I'm

3273
02:20:30,420 --> 02:20:32,542
here with my colleague sasha

3274
02:20:32,542 --> 02:20:34,000
gartman who's a director with

3275
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,999
weaver. We're here today to

3276
02:20:35,999 --> 02:20:37,918
present the findings for the

3277
02:20:37,918 --> 02:20:39,999
phase 1 of the forensic audit.

3278
02:20:39,999 --> 02:20:40,999
we're going to walk through the

3279
02:20:40,999 --> 02:20:43,918
executive summary, and we also

3280
02:20:43,918 --> 02:20:45,167
want to make sure we have time

3281
02:20:45,167 --> 02:20:45,999
to answer any questions that you

3282
02:20:45,999 --> 02:20:48,999
have. And before we get

3283
02:20:49,999 --> 02:20:52,420
started, I did want to mention a

3284
02:20:52,420 --> 02:20:54,834
few things. First of all, you

3285
02:20:54,834 --> 02:20:57,234
know, we received complete

3286
02:20:57,250 --> 02:20:58,459
cooperation from all of the

3287
02:20:58,459 --> 02:20:59,167
employees and staff that we

3288
02:20:59,167 --> 02:21:01,292
spoke with at the county. We

3289
02:21:01,292 --> 02:21:04,292
spoke with individuals within a

3290
02:21:04,334 --> 02:21:05,459
number of different departments

3291
02:21:05,459 --> 02:21:07,859
and agencies, and their

3292
02:21:08,417 --> 02:21:10,501
timeliness and responsiveness in

3293
02:21:10,501 --> 02:21:11,626
providing documents and requests

3294
02:21:11,626 --> 02:21:14,584
to us allowed us to complete the

3295
02:21:14,584 --> 02:21:17,792
phase 1 in a timely manner. So

3296
02:21:17,792 --> 02:21:19,999
we appreciate their cooperation.

3297
02:21:19,999 --> 02:21:22,000
and also I wanted to mention

3298
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:23,501
that, as you know, this report

3299
02:21:23,501 --> 02:21:25,209
is publically available in its

3300
02:21:25,209 --> 02:21:28,809
completion -- or in its entirety

3301
02:21:29,125 --> 02:21:31,830
through the county website. Let

3302
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:32,250
me start by talking about the

3303
02:21:32,250 --> 02:21:35,000
scope of work. So this slide

3304
02:21:35,000 --> 02:21:38,000
shows the phased approach with

3305
02:21:38,830 --> 02:21:40,918
the four phases of over 2500

3306
02:21:40,918 --> 02:21:42,918
contracts, totaling about 4.3

3307
02:21:44,417 --> 02:21:44,667
billion dollars. These are

3308
02:21:44,667 --> 02:21:45,999
contracts that were executed

3309
02:21:45,999 --> 02:21:48,399
during the 2019 to 2024 time

3310
02:21:49,999 --> 02:21:51,125
period. So this presentation

3311
02:21:51,125 --> 02:21:53,459
and this report is focused on

3312
02:21:53,459 --> 02:21:55,334
phase 1, which were identified

3313
02:21:55,334 --> 02:21:56,876
through the internal audit

3314
02:21:56,876 --> 02:21:58,417
department as the top priority

3315
02:21:58,417 --> 02:22:00,817
contracts, and this includes 145

3316
02:22:01,375 --> 02:22:03,375
contracts, totaling about 486

3317
02:22:05,999 --> 02:22:08,399
million-dollars. And then this

3318
02:22:09,584 --> 02:22:11,542
table breaks down the phase 1

3319
02:22:11,542 --> 02:22:13,918
contracts, based on the

3320
02:22:13,918 --> 02:22:16,417
department. So just a couple of

3321
02:22:16,417 --> 02:22:17,584
quick observations, the majority

3322
02:22:17,584 --> 02:22:19,542
of the contracts that we looked

3323
02:22:19,542 --> 02:22:21,250
at as part phase 1 were within

3324
02:22:21,250 --> 02:22:22,999
the healthcare agency and then

3325
02:22:22,999 --> 02:22:25,999
oc community resources, and then

3326
02:22:26,626 --> 02:22:27,250
also the county executive

3327
02:22:27,250 --> 02:22:30,417
office. And then for each of

3328
02:22:30,417 --> 02:22:32,817
the 145 contracts that we

3329
02:22:32,999 --> 02:22:35,830
received as part of phase 1, we

3330
02:22:35,830 --> 02:22:38,683
went through an -- eight work

3331
02:22:39,667 --> 02:22:40,501
steps as part that review. So

3332
02:22:40,501 --> 02:22:43,501
that included an initial review

3333
02:22:44,292 --> 02:22:45,667
and investigation of the

3334
02:22:45,667 --> 02:22:47,501
vendors. There were about 60

3335
02:22:47,501 --> 02:22:49,459
unique vendors associated with

3336
02:22:49,459 --> 02:22:51,859
these phase 1 contracts. We

3337
02:22:51,999 --> 02:22:53,999
also examined and reviewed the

3338
02:22:53,999 --> 02:22:54,999
procurement process as far as

3339
02:22:54,999 --> 02:22:57,999
how the vendor was selected,

3340
02:22:57,999 --> 02:22:58,999
what that process was, whether

3341
02:22:58,999 --> 02:23:01,399
it was competitively bid,

3342
02:23:01,792 --> 02:23:02,792
sole-sourced, emergency

3343
02:23:02,792 --> 02:23:05,192
purchased, and the supporting

3344
02:23:05,999 --> 02:23:06,542
documentation associated with

3345
02:23:06,542 --> 02:23:08,830
that. We also looked at the

3346
02:23:08,830 --> 02:23:09,501
payment records, including the

3347
02:23:09,501 --> 02:23:11,901
invoices, the amounts paid

3348
02:23:11,999 --> 02:23:14,250
relative to the contract

3349
02:23:14,250 --> 02:23:16,650
authorization, and that's work

3350
02:23:17,999 --> 02:23:20,292
step 4. We looked at all of the

3351
02:23:20,292 --> 02:23:21,125
email communications between the

3352
02:23:21,125 --> 02:23:22,667
vendor and the contractor and

3353
02:23:22,667 --> 02:23:25,670
the employees at county

3354
02:23:25,751 --> 02:23:26,999
regarding the process and

3355
02:23:26,999 --> 02:23:27,999
decision related to these

3356
02:23:27,999 --> 02:23:29,999
contracts. We evaluated

3357
02:23:30,999 --> 02:23:31,918
compliance with local, state,

3358
02:23:31,918 --> 02:23:34,318
and federal requirements and

3359
02:23:34,834 --> 02:23:37,375
then, as you know, we drafted a

3360
02:23:37,375 --> 02:23:38,876
report and we're here today to

3361
02:23:38,876 --> 02:23:40,167
present the findings for phase

3362
02:23:40,167 --> 02:23:44,367
1. So now I'd like to get into

3363
02:23:45,459 --> 02:23:47,167
the findings that are listed in

3364
02:23:47,167 --> 02:23:49,250
the executive summary. So I'm

3365
02:23:49,250 --> 02:23:50,250
going to touch on those briefly

3366
02:23:50,250 --> 02:23:51,918
and then go through our

3367
02:23:51,918 --> 02:23:53,417
recommendations. The first

3368
02:23:53,417 --> 02:23:55,417
finding relates to the district

3369
02:23:55,417 --> 02:23:58,459
1 tone at the top, which binded

3370
02:23:58,459 --> 02:23:59,999
the county's procurement

3371
02:23:59,999 --> 02:24:01,999
controls. Specifically we noted

3372
02:24:01,999 --> 02:24:03,417
that the past district 1

3373
02:24:03,417 --> 02:24:05,792
leadership was very involved in

3374
02:24:05,792 --> 02:24:07,999
the decisions related to

3375
02:24:07,999 --> 02:24:09,167
procurement, and this is

3376
02:24:09,167 --> 02:24:10,999
specifically referring to former

3377
02:24:10,999 --> 02:24:12,751
supervisor dough and the former

3378
02:24:12,751 --> 02:24:15,151
chief staff, ms. Wangsaporn's

3379
02:24:16,918 --> 02:24:18,626
support for district 1. They

3380
02:24:18,626 --> 02:24:19,999
established a culture where

3381
02:24:19,999 --> 02:24:21,999
certain decisions, primarily

3382
02:24:22,292 --> 02:24:23,999
procurement related, were not to

3383
02:24:23,999 --> 02:24:25,667
be questioned, and there were

3384
02:24:25,667 --> 02:24:27,584
people who indicated to us

3385
02:24:27,584 --> 02:24:30,584
during interviews that they were

3386
02:24:31,417 --> 02:24:32,250
concerned at times that they

3387
02:24:32,250 --> 02:24:33,999
would receive phone calls from

3388
02:24:33,999 --> 02:24:36,167
district leadership if they did

3389
02:24:36,167 --> 02:24:38,501
not go along with, you know,

3390
02:24:38,501 --> 02:24:40,501
certain procurement decisions.

3391
02:24:40,918 --> 02:24:41,626
some of the decisions that we

3392
02:24:41,626 --> 02:24:43,626
identified during phase 1

3393
02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:45,501
included lump sum advance

3394
02:24:45,501 --> 02:24:47,501
payments to specific

3395
02:24:47,918 --> 02:24:48,999
contractors. These were

3396
02:24:48,999 --> 02:24:50,999
typically service contracts.

3397
02:24:51,834 --> 02:24:53,999
there was also directives to pay

3398
02:24:53,999 --> 02:24:56,399
vendors and contractors while

3399
02:24:56,999 --> 02:24:58,292
there was open issues still

3400
02:24:58,292 --> 02:24:59,959
under review, and then also

3401
02:24:59,959 --> 02:25:01,459
decisions related to the

3402
02:25:01,459 --> 02:25:03,999
selection and award contracts to

3403
02:25:03,999 --> 02:25:06,399
vendors and grant recipients.

3404
02:25:07,626 --> 02:25:09,209
the second finding that we

3405
02:25:09,209 --> 02:25:10,876
included in the executive

3406
02:25:10,876 --> 02:25:13,125
summary relates to the emergency

3407
02:25:13,125 --> 02:25:15,209
purchasing authority and the

3408
02:25:15,209 --> 02:25:17,209
sole-sourcing, which allowed

3409
02:25:17,709 --> 02:25:18,999
contractor words without

3410
02:25:18,999 --> 02:25:20,667
competitive bidding or board

3411
02:25:20,667 --> 02:25:21,250
approval.

3412
02:25:21,250 --> 02:25:22,918
so essentially what we observed

3413
02:25:22,918 --> 02:25:25,292
was that the environment during

3414
02:25:25,292 --> 02:25:27,692
this time period in 2020, 2021

3415
02:25:28,999 --> 02:25:31,999
in particular, there was a

3416
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:32,999
lowering of the guardrails that

3417
02:25:32,999 --> 02:25:34,542
are in place through the county

3418
02:25:34,542 --> 02:25:36,542
contract procurement manual,

3419
02:25:36,918 --> 02:25:39,876
which allowed some of these

3420
02:25:39,876 --> 02:25:41,667
things to occur based on the

3421
02:25:41,667 --> 02:25:42,999
emergency purchase proceedings

3422
02:25:42,999 --> 02:25:45,334
that were approved in

3423
02:25:45,334 --> 02:25:48,334
april 2020. As well as the

3424
02:25:48,417 --> 02:25:49,999
frequency and the use of the

3425
02:25:49,999 --> 02:25:52,399
sole source contracts without

3426
02:25:52,751 --> 02:25:54,125
competitive bidding, and the

3427
02:25:54,125 --> 02:25:55,999
result of this was, you know, we

3428
02:25:55,999 --> 02:25:57,501
noted that there was limited

3429
02:25:57,501 --> 02:25:59,709
oversight with respect to the

3430
02:25:59,709 --> 02:26:01,125
emergency purchases. The

3431
02:26:01,125 --> 02:26:03,525
departments as required under

3432
02:26:03,959 --> 02:26:06,584
the policy manual with emergency

3433
02:26:06,584 --> 02:26:08,984
purchases, they're only required

3434
02:26:09,125 --> 02:26:10,792
to provide an emergency

3435
02:26:10,792 --> 02:26:12,584
justification memo, which

3436
02:26:12,584 --> 02:26:14,000
documents essentially that the

3437
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:17,000
purchase is related to covid-19

3438
02:26:19,584 --> 02:26:21,420
response. So that's essentially

3439
02:26:21,420 --> 02:26:22,999
the requirement for the

3440
02:26:22,999 --> 02:26:24,999
emergency purchase. There's not

3441
02:26:24,999 --> 02:26:25,918
competitive bidding. That's

3442
02:26:25,918 --> 02:26:27,999
waived during this process.

3443
02:26:27,999 --> 02:26:28,999
it's resulted in blanket

3444
02:26:28,999 --> 02:26:29,959
authorizations for broad

3445
02:26:29,959 --> 02:26:32,359
categories of purchases, which

3446
02:26:32,626 --> 02:26:33,751
were directly 69 directly

3447
02:26:33,751 --> 02:26:34,999
related to the covid-19

3448
02:26:34,999 --> 02:26:37,417
response. It also resulted in

3449
02:26:37,417 --> 02:26:39,751
limited visibility of the

3450
02:26:39,751 --> 02:26:42,167
purchase amounts and the vendors

3451
02:26:42,167 --> 02:26:44,250
selected, many of the emergency

3452
02:26:44,250 --> 02:26:45,792
justification memos only

3453
02:26:45,792 --> 02:26:48,420
included broad line items, for

3454
02:26:48,420 --> 02:26:50,420
example, covid-19 testing

3455
02:26:50,999 --> 02:26:53,626
without indication of who the

3456
02:26:53,626 --> 02:26:56,248
contractor that was selected or

3457
02:26:56,248 --> 02:26:59,248
the contract amount. We also

3458
02:26:59,792 --> 02:27:01,876
found that former supervisor do

3459
02:27:01,876 --> 02:27:03,999
steered contracts to specific

3460
02:27:03,999 --> 02:27:06,399
businesses. We identified a

3461
02:27:06,501 --> 02:27:09,501
pattern of contracts that aimed

3462
02:27:09,667 --> 02:27:10,999
to grants that were being

3463
02:27:10,999 --> 02:27:12,751
steered to certain businesses

3464
02:27:12,751 --> 02:27:13,999
specifically by former

3465
02:27:13,999 --> 02:27:15,999
supervisor do, oftentimes

3466
02:27:16,792 --> 02:27:18,881
facilitated by his former chief

3467
02:27:18,881 --> 02:27:21,881
staff mr. Wangsaporn. And these

3468
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:23,334
businesses that employed

3469
02:27:23,334 --> 02:27:26,334
immediate family members is one

3470
02:27:27,417 --> 02:27:28,833
of the categories, it also

3471
02:27:28,833 --> 02:27:29,959
included businesses that

3472
02:27:29,959 --> 02:27:31,626
contributed to political

3473
02:27:31,626 --> 02:27:32,876
campaigns shortly after the

3474
02:27:32,876 --> 02:27:34,292
award of the contract as well as

3475
02:27:34,292 --> 02:27:36,501
businesses that provided a media

3476
02:27:36,501 --> 02:27:38,830
platform for former supervisor

3477
02:27:38,830 --> 02:27:39,584
do and also businesses involved

3478
02:27:39,584 --> 02:27:41,999
in the two festivals that were

3479
02:27:41,999 --> 02:27:44,399
operated through district one,

3480
02:27:45,751 --> 02:27:48,292
the tet and moon festivals. And

3481
02:27:48,292 --> 02:27:51,892
we'll talk a little bit more

3482
02:27:53,667 --> 02:27:56,999
about this, but as a whole, you

3483
02:27:56,999 --> 02:27:58,999
know, one of the themes we noted

3484
02:27:58,999 --> 02:28:00,792
was that these festivals for

3485
02:28:00,792 --> 02:28:01,999
district 1, we saw the use of

3486
02:28:01,999 --> 02:28:04,399
the term constituents. There

3487
02:28:04,584 --> 02:28:06,125
was invitations that would go

3488
02:28:06,125 --> 02:28:08,375
out to 54,000 constituents, and

3489
02:28:08,375 --> 02:28:10,751
so from our viewpoint, this has

3490
02:28:10,751 --> 02:28:13,751
a connotation of, you know,

3491
02:28:13,834 --> 02:28:15,830
we're not talking about a

3492
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:15,250
community event for citizens.

3493
02:28:15,250 --> 02:28:18,250
it's more of a campaign-related

3494
02:28:19,709 --> 02:28:21,292
terminology. And we also noted

3495
02:28:21,292 --> 02:28:23,975
that mr. Wangsaporn, the chief

3496
02:28:23,975 --> 02:28:25,292
staff, was also the campaign

3497
02:28:25,292 --> 02:28:27,692
manager for former supervisor

3498
02:28:27,918 --> 02:28:30,876
do, which I think, you know,

3499
02:28:30,876 --> 02:28:35,760
part of the -- plays into some

3500
02:28:42,588 --> 02:28:45,588
of these findings. And notably

3501
02:28:45,883 --> 02:28:47,589
some of these sponsorships were

3502
02:28:47,589 --> 02:28:48,803
being filed third parties in

3503
02:28:48,803 --> 02:28:51,985
lieu of being paid to the

3504
02:28:51,985 --> 02:28:55,585
county. So some aspects of it

3505
02:28:57,551 --> 02:29:00,459
were not going directly to the

3506
02:29:00,459 --> 02:29:02,667
county. There were some -- one

3507
02:29:02,667 --> 02:29:04,999
of the key sponsors, the main

3508
02:29:04,999 --> 02:29:06,209
logo on the stage was cal

3509
02:29:06,209 --> 02:29:07,876
optima. There was payments to

3510
02:29:07,876 --> 02:29:08,999
the county for those. But what

3511
02:29:08,999 --> 02:29:11,184
we're talking about is the

3512
02:29:11,184 --> 02:29:13,125
booths and some of the other

3513
02:29:13,125 --> 02:29:15,209
sponsors, those dollars were

3514
02:29:15,209 --> 02:29:16,999
going to other individuals,

3515
02:29:16,999 --> 02:29:19,125
which included peter pham

3516
02:29:19,125 --> 02:29:21,525
through his business, hd

3517
02:29:22,830 --> 02:29:25,830
entertainment, or by 2t media

3518
02:29:25,999 --> 02:29:26,792
who we found during our

3519
02:29:26,792 --> 02:29:28,375
interview that they actually had

3520
02:29:28,375 --> 02:29:31,375
a separate agreement with hd

3521
02:29:32,100 --> 02:29:33,792
entertainment where they would

3522
02:29:33,792 --> 02:29:35,640
emit 30% of the sponsorship

3523
02:29:35,640 --> 02:29:37,167
revenues that they collected as

3524
02:29:37,167 --> 02:29:39,567
a commission -- or they would

3525
02:29:39,567 --> 02:29:41,841
retain 30% of the commission and

3526
02:29:41,841 --> 02:29:42,991
remit the other portion to

3527
02:29:42,991 --> 02:29:44,234
mr. Pham at hd entertainment.

3528
02:29:44,234 --> 02:29:47,234
we also found that former

3529
02:29:48,167 --> 02:29:50,567
supervisor do mr. Wangsaporn

3530
02:29:51,667 --> 02:29:53,999
were aware these sponsorship

3531
02:29:53,999 --> 02:29:56,720
revenues were being paid to 2t

3532
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:57,711
media. The county staff was

3533
02:29:57,711 --> 02:29:58,736
aware base on the interviews

3534
02:29:58,736 --> 02:30:00,554
that we conducted. And with

3535
02:30:00,554 --> 02:30:02,538
respect -- did not appear to be

3536
02:30:02,538 --> 02:30:05,229
aware. And with respect to the

3537
02:30:05,229 --> 02:30:06,836
expenditures for the festivals,

3538
02:30:06,836 --> 02:30:09,751
we noted advanced lump sum

3539
02:30:09,751 --> 02:30:11,999
payments with round dollar

3540
02:30:11,999 --> 02:30:13,417
amounts with limited detail in

3541
02:30:13,417 --> 02:30:15,817
the invoices and supporting

3542
02:30:19,667 --> 02:30:22,670
documentation. So for example,

3543
02:30:22,167 --> 02:30:24,292
$50,000 for entertainment at a

3544
02:30:24,292 --> 02:30:27,292
festival, for, you know, a

3545
02:30:27,375 --> 02:30:28,999
number of musical acts without

3546
02:30:28,999 --> 02:30:31,000
any kind of detail that you'd

3547
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:32,959
expect to see as part of the

3548
02:30:32,959 --> 02:30:34,250
standard contract 69 voicing

3549
02:30:34,250 --> 02:30:35,999
process. So there's limited

3550
02:30:35,999 --> 02:30:37,334
visibility with respect to the

3551
02:30:37,334 --> 02:30:39,539
actual costs of some of those

3552
02:30:39,539 --> 02:30:40,417
payments.

3553
02:30:40,417 --> 02:30:43,417
and while some of these

3554
02:30:43,709 --> 02:30:45,834
contracts that we're talking

3555
02:30:45,834 --> 02:30:47,999
about next were not a part our

3556
02:30:47,999 --> 02:30:48,999
scope, we noted with respect to

3557
02:30:48,999 --> 02:30:51,000
this -- the festivals, that the

3558
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:51,999
other businesses that were

3559
02:30:51,999 --> 02:30:53,792
involved all appeared to be

3560
02:30:53,792 --> 02:30:55,751
businesses that were in

3561
02:30:55,751 --> 02:30:56,918
different ways connected with

3562
02:30:56,918 --> 02:30:58,420
district 1 or former supervisor

3563
02:30:58,420 --> 02:31:01,420
do, including the viet america

3564
02:31:01,999 --> 02:31:02,999
society, who was doing a lot of

3565
02:31:02,999 --> 02:31:05,999
the food at the festivals, aloha

3566
02:31:05,999 --> 02:31:08,399
financial services, and hd

3567
02:31:08,626 --> 02:31:10,459
entertainment were doing

3568
02:31:10,459 --> 02:31:11,334
festival management services.

3569
02:31:11,334 --> 02:31:12,999
they had contracts with the

3570
02:31:12,999 --> 02:31:14,959
county for that, and premier

3571
02:31:14,959 --> 02:31:16,959
entertainment solutions. We

3572
02:31:17,754 --> 02:31:20,154
found that there were

3573
02:31:20,542 --> 02:31:22,501
pass-through grants related to

3574
02:31:22,501 --> 02:31:25,501
the arts relief program that

3575
02:31:25,876 --> 02:31:27,417
obfuscated the county's

3576
02:31:27,417 --> 02:31:29,417
visibility into the

3577
02:31:29,667 --> 02:31:30,830
disbursements of the

3578
02:31:30,830 --> 02:31:32,459
subrecipients. So just to kind

3579
02:31:32,459 --> 02:31:34,292
of provide an overview, there

3580
02:31:34,292 --> 02:31:37,292
was two the recipients. They

3581
02:31:37,999 --> 02:31:39,999
each received $300,000 the

3582
02:31:41,999 --> 02:31:43,125
westminster chamber commerce and

3583
02:31:43,125 --> 02:31:44,830
then the garden grove community

3584
02:31:44,830 --> 02:31:45,459
foundation each received

3585
02:31:45,459 --> 02:31:47,417
$300,000 as a pass-through

3586
02:31:47,417 --> 02:31:49,667
recipient but they were

3587
02:31:49,667 --> 02:31:50,250
instructed through former

3588
02:31:50,250 --> 02:31:51,999
supervisor do that $200,000 of

3589
02:31:51,999 --> 02:31:54,834
those funds would go to specific

3590
02:31:54,834 --> 02:31:55,834
entities, and so they

3591
02:31:55,834 --> 02:31:57,125
essentially were only

3592
02:31:57,125 --> 02:31:57,999
responsible for identifying the

3593
02:31:57,999 --> 02:31:59,999
recipients for about a third of

3594
02:31:59,999 --> 02:32:02,709
those funds. And in doing so in

3595
02:32:02,709 --> 02:32:05,109
this manner, the pass-through

3596
02:32:06,584 --> 02:32:08,584
recipients obfuscated the

3597
02:32:09,542 --> 02:32:11,626
ultimate recipients of these

3598
02:32:11,626 --> 02:32:13,999
grants, which are included on

3599
02:32:13,999 --> 02:32:15,417
this slide. So for

3600
02:32:15,417 --> 02:32:16,542
300,000 that was awarded to

3601
02:32:16,542 --> 02:32:17,959
garden grove community

3602
02:32:17,959 --> 02:32:19,999
foundation, we determined that

3603
02:32:19,999 --> 02:32:22,334
100,000 of those funds went to

3604
02:32:22,334 --> 02:32:25,334
2t media and then 100,000 to

3605
02:32:25,417 --> 02:32:26,999
premier entertainment solutions,

3606
02:32:26,999 --> 02:32:27,999
both of which were at direction

3607
02:32:27,999 --> 02:32:30,834
of former supervisor do. And

3608
02:32:30,834 --> 02:32:32,667
with respect to the 300,000 to

3609
02:32:32,667 --> 02:32:33,999
the westminster chamber of

3610
02:32:33,999 --> 02:32:35,584
commerce, those were also

3611
02:32:35,584 --> 02:32:37,876
directed to four entities listed

3612
02:32:37,876 --> 02:32:40,876
here for $50,000 each, the viet

3613
02:32:41,751 --> 02:32:43,751
america society integrated

3614
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:46,400
broadcasting kong gray, saigon

3615
02:32:46,999 --> 02:32:48,584
television corp. And then the

3616
02:32:48,584 --> 02:32:49,999
vietnamese america

3617
02:32:49,999 --> 02:32:52,399
philharmonics. And for purpose

3618
02:32:52,501 --> 02:32:54,459
of comparison, the other four

3619
02:32:54,459 --> 02:32:56,292
districts that had similar

3620
02:32:56,292 --> 02:32:58,692
programs and allocations of $1

3621
02:32:59,417 --> 02:33:00,792
million for the arts relief

3622
02:33:00,792 --> 02:33:03,334
program, they contracted with an

3623
02:33:03,334 --> 02:33:05,734
independent firm to administer

3624
02:33:06,125 --> 02:33:07,959
those grant funds, you know,

3625
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:09,999
with a process that was

3626
02:33:09,999 --> 02:33:12,292
independent. And so this

3627
02:33:12,292 --> 02:33:13,999
process for district 1, you

3628
02:33:13,999 --> 02:33:15,999
know, differed significantly

3629
02:33:15,999 --> 02:33:16,999
from what we saw with the other

3630
02:33:16,999 --> 02:33:19,399
districts. And most notably,

3631
02:33:19,999 --> 02:33:21,792
based on the amount influence

3632
02:33:21,792 --> 02:33:22,501
and how those contracts were

3633
02:33:22,501 --> 02:33:24,901
steered to specific businesses

3634
02:33:26,512 --> 02:33:29,512
and nonprofits. We found that

3635
02:33:30,918 --> 02:33:33,000
former supervisor do exerted

3636
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:35,375
influence related to payment

3637
02:33:35,375 --> 02:33:37,775
authorization decisions. And a

3638
02:33:39,417 --> 02:33:40,542
few examples that we identified

3639
02:33:40,542 --> 02:33:43,999
were the authorization of the --

3640
02:33:43,999 --> 02:33:46,876
to the hca directory issue

3641
02:33:46,876 --> 02:33:48,125
payment to 360 clinic for

3642
02:33:48,125 --> 02:33:50,525
uncollectable claims at which

3643
02:33:50,626 --> 02:33:52,209
point the invoice were still

3644
02:33:52,209 --> 02:33:55,809
under review. We also know that

3645
02:33:58,701 --> 02:34:02,301
the grant that we obtained for

3646
02:34:03,205 --> 02:34:05,395
the chamber of commerce, former

3647
02:34:05,395 --> 02:34:07,463
supervisor do directed them to

3648
02:34:07,463 --> 02:34:09,988
pay $50,000 to one of the

3649
02:34:09,988 --> 02:34:11,138
sub-recipients that were still

3650
02:34:11,138 --> 02:34:12,495
in the investigating process.

3651
02:34:12,495 --> 02:34:13,439
so they said they were waiting

3652
02:34:13,439 --> 02:34:16,439
on confirmation related to a

3653
02:34:16,975 --> 02:34:19,999
license but were told to go

3654
02:34:19,999 --> 02:34:21,459
ahead and make the payment by

3655
02:34:21,459 --> 02:34:24,459
former supervisor do. And with

3656
02:34:24,459 --> 02:34:27,459
respect to the district 1 arts

3657
02:34:29,125 --> 02:34:31,334
relief program that the staff

3658
02:34:31,334 --> 02:34:32,959
that was in charge of those

3659
02:34:32,959 --> 02:34:35,000
funds was, you know -- informed

3660
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:35,959
us that there was pressure to

3661
02:34:35,959 --> 02:34:38,420
get those funds paid as quickly

3662
02:34:38,420 --> 02:34:38,209
as possible by former supervisor

3663
02:34:38,209 --> 02:34:41,809
do. And one other thing that's

3664
02:34:43,501 --> 02:34:44,375
not on the slide that I wanted

3665
02:34:44,375 --> 02:34:47,334
to mention with respect to some

3666
02:34:47,334 --> 02:34:48,125
of the other observations was

3667
02:34:48,125 --> 02:34:50,501
that there was also certain

3668
02:34:50,501 --> 02:34:51,501
contract language that was

3669
02:34:51,501 --> 02:34:54,334
included at direction of former

3670
02:34:54,334 --> 02:34:57,250
supervisor do related to self

3671
02:34:57,250 --> 02:34:59,650
certification for things like

3672
02:35:00,292 --> 02:35:01,999
being eligible to receive the

3673
02:35:01,999 --> 02:35:04,417
grants, which is -- was

3674
02:35:04,417 --> 02:35:06,459
described by staff as unusual

3675
02:35:06,459 --> 02:35:08,167
and differed from some of the

3676
02:35:08,167 --> 02:35:09,918
other contracts, which were

3677
02:35:09,918 --> 02:35:11,792
verified and monitored by the

3678
02:35:11,792 --> 02:35:13,334
county versus this was

3679
02:35:13,334 --> 02:35:15,734
essentially a self certification

3680
02:35:15,999 --> 02:35:18,399
provision in those contracts.

3681
02:35:23,542 --> 02:35:25,792
and finally, we wanted to

3682
02:35:25,792 --> 02:35:27,209
mention, you know, that the find

3683
02:35:27,209 --> 02:35:28,999
things that we've discussed so

3684
02:35:28,999 --> 02:35:31,125
far relates to about 33 of the

3685
02:35:31,125 --> 02:35:33,125
145 phase 1 contracts. The

3686
02:35:34,999 --> 02:35:36,709
appendix b to the report

3687
02:35:36,709 --> 02:35:39,709
includes the detail of our

3688
02:35:40,209 --> 02:35:41,751
review for the entire 145

3689
02:35:41,751 --> 02:35:42,876
contracts. So that is included

3690
02:35:42,876 --> 02:35:44,292
with the report that is

3691
02:35:44,292 --> 02:35:46,692
available online. . Finally, we

3692
02:35:50,961 --> 02:35:52,488
wanted to go over the relations

3693
02:35:52,488 --> 02:35:54,999
that are included in the phase 1

3694
02:35:54,999 --> 02:35:56,999
report that are for the county's

3695
02:35:56,999 --> 02:35:57,999
consideration. So the first one

3696
02:35:57,999 --> 02:36:00,399
was to adopt standardized

3697
02:36:00,999 --> 02:36:01,999
invoicing requirements within

3698
02:36:01,999 --> 02:36:04,334
the contract policy manual. So

3699
02:36:04,334 --> 02:36:07,250
we saw that there was some

3700
02:36:07,250 --> 02:36:09,650
differences within the contracts

3701
02:36:10,334 --> 02:36:11,584
as far as what needed to be

3702
02:36:11,584 --> 02:36:13,999
required as far as a valid

3703
02:36:13,999 --> 02:36:15,751
invoice and details related to

3704
02:36:15,751 --> 02:36:17,209
pricing and amount as and so

3705
02:36:17,209 --> 02:36:19,609
forth. So standardizing that

3706
02:36:20,417 --> 02:36:21,999
through the contract policy

3707
02:36:21,999 --> 02:36:24,420
manual. The second is updating

3708
02:36:24,420 --> 02:36:26,417
the code of ethic to ensure that

3709
02:36:26,417 --> 02:36:27,918
board members do not influence

3710
02:36:27,918 --> 02:36:30,318
procurement decisions. This is

3711
02:36:30,375 --> 02:36:31,584
really intended to make sure

3712
02:36:31,584 --> 02:36:34,667
that the board, you know, is

3713
02:36:34,667 --> 02:36:37,830
fulfilling the role as governing

3714
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:40,830
and not managing the county.

3715
02:36:42,501 --> 02:36:43,918
the third one is standardizing

3716
02:36:43,918 --> 02:36:44,999
monitoring requirements for

3717
02:36:44,999 --> 02:36:46,999
federal contracts. That just

3718
02:36:46,999 --> 02:36:50,599
gets into some of the language

3719
02:36:50,999 --> 02:36:52,334
in certain contracts that was

3720
02:36:52,334 --> 02:36:54,125
different for some of these

3721
02:36:54,125 --> 02:36:56,999
grants for district 1. The next

3722
02:36:56,999 --> 02:36:59,209
someone to extend due diligence

3723
02:36:59,209 --> 02:37:01,542
procedures to subcontractors and

3724
02:37:01,542 --> 02:37:03,250
sub-awards, and some of this has

3725
02:37:03,250 --> 02:37:05,459
already been done. We know that

3726
02:37:05,459 --> 02:37:08,667
there was a memo with -- of

3727
02:37:08,667 --> 02:37:09,999
protocols to this effect that it

3728
02:37:09,999 --> 02:37:12,334
was, I believe, issued in

3729
02:37:12,334 --> 02:37:14,734
november of 2024, but ensuring

3730
02:37:14,876 --> 02:37:16,292
that that is implemented across

3731
02:37:16,292 --> 02:37:18,626
the county to avoid situations

3732
02:37:18,626 --> 02:37:21,260
where there's circumvention of

3733
02:37:23,999 --> 02:37:25,375
county processes and policies by

3734
02:37:25,375 --> 02:37:27,375
using subcontractors and

3735
02:37:28,292 --> 02:37:30,000
sub-recipients. The next one is

3736
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:32,400
enhanced annual training focused

3737
02:37:32,999 --> 02:37:33,999
on fraud and internal controls.

3738
02:37:33,999 --> 02:37:37,599
and the next slide has the

3739
02:37:39,375 --> 02:37:41,375
remainder of our

3740
02:37:41,417 --> 02:37:43,125
recommendations. Evaluating the

3741
02:37:43,125 --> 02:37:44,667
effectiveness of the fraud

3742
02:37:44,667 --> 02:37:47,667
reporting hotline. So we've --

3743
02:37:48,584 --> 02:37:52,375
based on the acsv data for the

3744
02:37:52,375 --> 02:37:52,999
last 20 years or so, the number

3745
02:37:52,999 --> 02:37:55,334
one method of detection of fraud

3746
02:37:55,334 --> 02:37:56,999
continues to be through

3747
02:37:56,999 --> 02:37:59,399
anonymous tips or employees

3748
02:38:01,209 --> 02:38:02,999
coming forward well information.

3749
02:38:02,999 --> 02:38:06,599
and so really focusing on the

3750
02:38:06,626 --> 02:38:07,372
effectiveness of the fraud

3751
02:38:07,372 --> 02:38:09,876
hotline, the awareness of making

3752
02:38:09,876 --> 02:38:11,709
sure that employees know how to

3753
02:38:11,709 --> 02:38:15,830
access it and have a good

3754
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:15,459
understanding of what

3755
02:38:15,459 --> 02:38:16,959
information is required to

3756
02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:18,417
report something, if they're

3757
02:38:18,417 --> 02:38:21,417
aware of it. Stake guidelines

3758
02:38:22,420 --> 02:38:23,751
for the solicitation and receipt

3759
02:38:23,751 --> 02:38:25,999
of sponsorship revenues related

3760
02:38:25,999 --> 02:38:28,399
to the county-funded events.

3761
02:38:28,999 --> 02:38:30,999
standardizing the emergency

3762
02:38:31,292 --> 02:38:32,959
justification memos across

3763
02:38:32,959 --> 02:38:35,359
departments, some have more

3764
02:38:35,918 --> 02:38:37,459
detail than others, and some of

3765
02:38:37,459 --> 02:38:39,000
them had higher level bullet

3766
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:40,417
points with limited detail that

3767
02:38:40,417 --> 02:38:43,417
we described earlier. And then

3768
02:38:44,584 --> 02:38:48,184
improving the -- I'm sorry, the

3769
02:38:48,959 --> 02:38:50,626
recovery of any overpayments to

3770
02:38:50,626 --> 02:38:52,626
360 clinic for uncollectible

3771
02:38:52,999 --> 02:38:54,292
claims related to the covid-19

3772
02:38:54,292 --> 02:38:57,830
testing services. And this is

3773
02:38:57,830 --> 02:39:00,683
discussed in section d of the

3774
02:39:01,125 --> 02:39:04,501
report. But we did a review of

3775
02:39:04,501 --> 02:39:06,751
all the un-celebratable claims

3776
02:39:06,751 --> 02:39:09,151
invoices, and those --

3777
02:39:09,792 --> 02:39:11,830
uncollectible claims invoices

3778
02:39:11,830 --> 02:39:12,470
and those findings are from the

3779
02:39:12,470 --> 02:39:14,176
invoices that we saw through the

3780
02:39:14,176 --> 02:39:15,617
analysis. And finally the

3781
02:39:15,617 --> 02:39:17,617
referral of campaign

3782
02:39:18,125 --> 02:39:19,295
contributions to former

3783
02:39:19,295 --> 02:39:21,417
supervisor do. Notably this

3784
02:39:21,417 --> 02:39:23,417
related to one of the findings

3785
02:39:23,417 --> 02:39:25,817
that a campaign contribution,

3786
02:39:27,420 --> 02:39:28,959
when we spoke with one of the

3787
02:39:28,959 --> 02:39:29,834
vendors that was reported to

3788
02:39:29,834 --> 02:39:31,250
have made the contribution, they

3789
02:39:31,250 --> 02:39:33,751
indicated that they did not make

3790
02:39:33,751 --> 02:39:35,420
that contribution, so that

3791
02:39:35,420 --> 02:39:38,830
raises questions as far as the

3792
02:39:38,830 --> 02:39:40,375
validity of some of the campaign

3793
02:39:40,375 --> 02:39:41,999
finance reports, if in fact

3794
02:39:41,999 --> 02:39:43,167
those contributions were not

3795
02:39:43,167 --> 02:39:47,367
made by that vendor. So some of

3796
02:39:48,420 --> 02:39:50,292
these have already been made to

3797
02:39:50,292 --> 02:39:53,209
some extent, so we wanted to

3798
02:39:53,209 --> 02:39:54,209
acknowledge that. But we wanted

3799
02:39:54,209 --> 02:39:56,584
to also highlight these based on

3800
02:39:56,584 --> 02:39:59,584
the findings from phase 1. And

3801
02:40:00,999 --> 02:40:02,584
I think with that, we are happy

3802
02:40:02,584 --> 02:40:04,125
to answer any questions that you

3803
02:40:04,125 --> 02:40:06,125
have.

3804
02:40:07,999 --> 02:40:08,751
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

3805
02:40:08,751 --> 02:40:10,420
right, before I go to questions,

3806
02:40:10,420 --> 02:40:11,959
I'd like to put up on the screen

3807
02:40:11,959 --> 02:40:13,417
the information on our fraud

3808
02:40:13,417 --> 02:40:16,417
hotline. So members of the

3809
02:40:16,417 --> 02:40:18,000
public may record any

3810
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:20,250
information might be helpful to

3811
02:40:20,250 --> 02:40:23,334
them. A fraud hotline has a

3812
02:40:23,334 --> 02:40:26,250
main number, which is important

3813
02:40:26,250 --> 02:40:27,918
to note. You can call anytime,

3814
02:40:27,918 --> 02:40:29,626
anyplace, day or night 24/7 and

3815
02:40:29,626 --> 02:40:31,626
remain anonymous. Report

3816
02:40:32,834 --> 02:40:34,125
questionable behavior, fraud,

3817
02:40:34,125 --> 02:40:36,459
waste, abuse involving county

3818
02:40:36,459 --> 02:40:37,334
vendors, employees, and

3819
02:40:37,334 --> 02:40:39,417
processes. You'll see a series

3820
02:40:39,417 --> 02:40:41,792
of special numbers regarding

3821
02:40:41,792 --> 02:40:44,192
different topics, one for

3822
02:40:45,417 --> 02:40:46,999
welfare fraud, child abuse,

3823
02:40:46,999 --> 02:40:48,792
medi-cal fraud, consumer and

3824
02:40:48,792 --> 02:40:51,792
economic fraud, u-tip safety and

3825
02:40:52,417 --> 02:40:53,417
loss prevention hotline and

3826
02:40:53,417 --> 02:40:55,417
county employers workers'

3827
02:40:55,626 --> 02:40:58,626
compensation fraud. So if any

3828
02:40:58,751 --> 02:40:59,999
of those numbers are important

3829
02:40:59,999 --> 02:41:01,542
to you, please jot it done and

3830
02:41:01,542 --> 02:41:03,830
you can anonymously call it in

3831
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:04,876
and not be afraid of reporting

3832
02:41:04,876 --> 02:41:05,584
something. Questions,

3833
02:41:05,584 --> 02:41:06,999
supervisor nguyen.

3834
02:41:06,999 --> 02:41:08,501
>>janet nguyen: I just want to

3835
02:41:08,501 --> 02:41:09,501
thank the weaver team for the

3836
02:41:09,501 --> 02:41:11,751
work that they've done, that

3837
02:41:11,751 --> 02:41:13,292
you've done. This was a very

3838
02:41:13,292 --> 02:41:15,692
thorough and professional. And

3839
02:41:16,125 --> 02:41:18,584
so we appreciate it, and I think

3840
02:41:18,584 --> 02:41:21,667
we can all agree the audit was

3841
02:41:21,667 --> 02:41:23,918
necessary and to continue the

3842
02:41:23,918 --> 02:41:26,918
oddity is necessary as well.

3843
02:41:26,999 --> 02:41:28,667
aggie, I just also want to thank

3844
02:41:28,667 --> 02:41:30,999
you and your staff for pushing

3845
02:41:30,999 --> 02:41:32,375
this forward and making sure

3846
02:41:32,375 --> 02:41:33,999
that we're meeting the deadlines

3847
02:41:33,999 --> 02:41:34,709
and getting the information to

3848
02:41:34,709 --> 02:41:36,999
the board and also to the public

3849
02:41:36,999 --> 02:41:39,334
as needed. I just want, to you

3850
02:41:39,334 --> 02:41:41,999
know, just very clear that this

3851
02:41:41,999 --> 02:41:45,830
is today. We're not trying to

3852
02:41:45,830 --> 02:41:47,709
re-litigate the andrew do case.

3853
02:41:47,709 --> 02:41:49,417
we are trying to find what has

3854
02:41:49,417 --> 02:41:50,959
happened and what process and

3855
02:41:50,959 --> 02:41:53,209
procedure that we need to

3856
02:41:53,209 --> 02:41:54,876
distribution correct and

3857
02:41:54,876 --> 02:41:57,792
amend -- that we need to correct

3858
02:41:57,792 --> 02:41:59,999
and amend so that we can move

3859
02:41:59,999 --> 02:42:02,999
forward as well. When this

3860
02:42:02,999 --> 02:42:03,167
audit was commissioned, you

3861
02:42:03,167 --> 02:42:05,250
know, I've said it before that I

3862
02:42:05,250 --> 02:42:06,999
believe it was just the tip of

3863
02:42:06,999 --> 02:42:10,599
the iceberg. Of, you know, when

3864
02:42:13,292 --> 02:42:14,999
andrew got convicted. But, you

3865
02:42:14,999 --> 02:42:17,999
know, and what actually really

3866
02:42:18,999 --> 02:42:20,542
helped is the fact that this

3867
02:42:20,542 --> 02:42:21,999
report that you have, the first

3868
02:42:21,999 --> 02:42:24,209
phase, does state this is the

3869
02:42:24,209 --> 02:42:26,542
tip of the iceberg. There's

3870
02:42:26,542 --> 02:42:28,999
more that we're looking into.

3871
02:42:28,999 --> 02:42:30,501
so the audit review is a pattern

3872
02:42:30,501 --> 02:42:32,417
of win supervisor using his

3873
02:42:32,417 --> 02:42:34,000
office to steer public dollars

3874
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:37,000
to his family, campaign donors,

3875
02:42:37,999 --> 02:42:39,584
most without competitive bidding

3876
02:42:39,584 --> 02:42:42,918
and with staff also afraid to

3877
02:42:42,918 --> 02:42:44,792
push back. I know we made a lot

3878
02:42:44,792 --> 02:42:47,334
of strides in improving our

3879
02:42:47,334 --> 02:42:49,501
processes, but it's very clear

3880
02:42:49,501 --> 02:42:50,999
that there needs to be more.

3881
02:42:50,999 --> 02:42:54,834
and so I do have quite a few

3882
02:42:54,834 --> 02:42:56,999
questions. So you're going to

3883
02:42:56,999 --> 02:43:01,199
have to bear with me. I know

3884
02:43:05,192 --> 02:43:07,592
that you've identified some

3885
02:43:07,999 --> 02:43:10,250
folks that you've talked to. I

3886
02:43:10,250 --> 02:43:12,584
guess my first -- I mean, you

3887
02:43:12,584 --> 02:43:13,999
reported that you tried to talk

3888
02:43:13,999 --> 02:43:16,417
to the former chief of staff,

3889
02:43:16,417 --> 02:43:19,292
and there was no response.

3890
02:43:19,292 --> 02:43:20,999
>>speaker: correct.

3891
02:43:20,999 --> 02:43:21,167
>>janet nguyen: you've also

3892
02:43:21,167 --> 02:43:24,767
talked about not being able to

3893
02:43:26,459 --> 02:43:27,876
get a response from the 360

3894
02:43:27,876 --> 02:43:30,276
clinic and vince tien.

3895
02:43:30,417 --> 02:43:32,626
>>speaker: right. When we

3896
02:43:32,626 --> 02:43:34,876
emailed him we received a

3897
02:43:34,876 --> 02:43:36,999
response from 360 clinic's their

3898
02:43:36,999 --> 02:43:39,999
counsel mr. Tien was no longer

3899
02:43:39,999 --> 02:43:40,999
floyd and they were going to be

3900
02:43:40,999 --> 02:43:42,999
answering the questions that we

3901
02:43:42,999 --> 02:43:44,501
had. And they did respond and

3902
02:43:44,501 --> 02:43:46,830
provide information to us on

3903
02:43:46,830 --> 02:43:48,830
behalf 360 clinic.

3904
02:43:56,199 --> 02:43:57,766
>>janet nguyen: I'm sure he's

3905
02:43:57,766 --> 02:43:59,502
still employed there because

3906
02:43:59,502 --> 02:44:01,477
it's all over his facebook. He

3907
02:44:01,477 --> 02:44:03,704
is no longer employed by 360

3908
02:44:03,704 --> 02:44:05,683
clinic or the mother ship of the

3909
02:44:05,683 --> 02:44:07,376
corporation?

3910
02:44:07,376 --> 02:44:08,692
>>speaker: we were informed that

3911
02:44:08,692 --> 02:44:10,509
he is not an employee of the

3912
02:44:10,509 --> 02:44:12,699
special entity, the 360 health

3913
02:44:12,699 --> 02:44:15,699
plan dba 360 clinic, which was

3914
02:44:16,559 --> 02:44:17,874
the questions related to this

3915
02:44:17,874 --> 02:44:19,189
contract. And so that's

3916
02:44:19,189 --> 02:44:21,589
information we were provided

3917
02:44:21,674 --> 02:44:23,240
from the legal counsel. I guess

3918
02:44:23,240 --> 02:44:24,807
the email was forwarded to them.

3919
02:44:24,807 --> 02:44:26,289
>>janet nguyen: which is

3920
02:44:26,289 --> 02:44:28,289
actually very disturbing.

3921
02:44:28,357 --> 02:44:29,972
because 360 clinic itself has

3922
02:44:29,972 --> 02:44:31,292
been shut down for a while, it's

3923
02:44:31,292 --> 02:44:33,501
the mother ship, the 24/7 care,

3924
02:44:33,501 --> 02:44:35,375
hospice care and all of the

3925
02:44:35,375 --> 02:44:36,751
other entities that they own

3926
02:44:36,751 --> 02:44:38,751
collectively between the

3927
02:44:39,125 --> 02:44:42,125
brothers, gary and larry nguyen.

3928
02:44:42,250 --> 02:44:45,850
so they're now declined to speak

3929
02:44:45,999 --> 02:44:47,417
to us because of a company that

3930
02:44:47,417 --> 02:44:51,170
they formed days after or days

3931
02:44:51,751 --> 02:44:53,999
before they got the massive

3932
02:44:53,999 --> 02:44:54,999
millions and millions of dollars

3933
02:44:54,999 --> 02:44:57,999
from this county contract. So I

3934
02:44:57,999 --> 02:44:59,999
think then that tells me that we

3935
02:44:59,999 --> 02:45:02,417
need to either force the

3936
02:45:02,417 --> 02:45:04,959
information or send this over to

3937
02:45:04,959 --> 02:45:08,834
the doj and d.a. Because that's

3938
02:45:08,834 --> 02:45:10,999
not a response we want. I mean,

3939
02:45:10,999 --> 02:45:14,599
that's not a right response, is

3940
02:45:14,709 --> 02:45:16,292
360 has been shut down for a

3941
02:45:16,292 --> 02:45:19,830
while. And so, but, yet, he's

3942
02:45:19,830 --> 02:45:20,209
still employed within the

3943
02:45:20,209 --> 02:45:22,609
corporation somewhere else. So

3944
02:45:23,292 --> 02:45:24,999
this is where, you know, it's

3945
02:45:24,999 --> 02:45:27,584
frustrating for me, is that if

3946
02:45:27,584 --> 02:45:29,417
we can't get a whole -- if we

3947
02:45:29,417 --> 02:45:31,417
can't talk to his former chief

3948
02:45:31,417 --> 02:45:33,830
of staff, if we can't talk to

3949
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:36,830
people at 360, then who else?

3950
02:45:36,292 --> 02:45:38,999
if vince tien is no longer

3951
02:45:38,999 --> 02:45:40,209
there, who else is there

3952
02:45:40,209 --> 02:45:42,999
currently? Is it fully shut

3953
02:45:42,999 --> 02:45:45,250
down? When did he leave? These

3954
02:45:45,250 --> 02:45:46,959
are the kinds of information I

3955
02:45:46,959 --> 02:45:47,918
think his attorneys should

3956
02:45:47,918 --> 02:45:49,334
probably submit to us and send

3957
02:45:49,334 --> 02:45:51,709
over to us if they, you know --

3958
02:45:51,709 --> 02:45:52,999
because they're still holding

3959
02:45:52,999 --> 02:45:54,751
our money potentially. And

3960
02:45:54,751 --> 02:45:56,709
that's where, you know, I want

3961
02:45:56,709 --> 02:45:59,999
to go in to is, that you know,

3962
02:45:59,999 --> 02:46:02,209
they submitted to us, what,

3963
02:46:02,209 --> 02:46:04,609
$60,000-plus -- they submitted

3964
02:46:06,999 --> 02:46:09,399
60,000-plus claims but only

3965
02:46:09,999 --> 02:46:11,999
30,000 claims were documented.

3966
02:46:12,167 --> 02:46:13,834
we paid for all of these other

3967
02:46:13,834 --> 02:46:16,234
claims without any documents.

3968
02:46:16,999 --> 02:46:18,417
what happens there? Who do we

3969
02:46:18,417 --> 02:46:20,959
go to and ask? If it's not

3970
02:46:20,959 --> 02:46:23,420
vince, who else at the company,

3971
02:46:23,420 --> 02:46:24,709
are the fundings still there?

3972
02:46:24,709 --> 02:46:26,709
and quite frankly at this point

3973
02:46:26,709 --> 02:46:28,250
I think we need to insist on

3974
02:46:28,250 --> 02:46:30,751
doj, the fraud and abuse

3975
02:46:30,751 --> 02:46:32,999
department of doj, to really

3976
02:46:32,999 --> 02:46:34,542
look into this. Because if they

3977
02:46:34,542 --> 02:46:38,999
are sending us -- I think it was

3978
02:46:38,999 --> 02:46:41,399
69,000 claims, imagine how much

3979
02:46:41,417 --> 02:46:43,918
was sent to the department of

3980
02:46:43,918 --> 02:46:46,318
medi-cal for reimbursement, and

3981
02:46:46,542 --> 02:46:48,417
what has that looked at? I

3982
02:46:48,417 --> 02:46:50,501
mean, this is where, I think,

3983
02:46:50,501 --> 02:46:52,420
you know, the question about 360

3984
02:46:52,420 --> 02:46:53,834
clinic has been out there for

3985
02:46:53,834 --> 02:46:55,792
many, many years. Everybody's

3986
02:46:55,792 --> 02:46:57,626
talked about it. And no one has

3987
02:46:57,626 --> 02:46:59,999
stepped up and actually done

3988
02:46:59,999 --> 02:47:02,250
anything. And we've barely even

3989
02:47:02,250 --> 02:47:04,830
touched a bit of it. And so I

3990
02:47:04,830 --> 02:47:06,709
think, you know, whether you can

3991
02:47:06,709 --> 02:47:10,375
do it or our legal counsel --

3992
02:47:10,375 --> 02:47:12,751
county counsel -- I know that we

3993
02:47:12,751 --> 02:47:15,151
have potential lawsuits and

3994
02:47:15,999 --> 02:47:17,999
et cetera. But I think we need

3995
02:47:17,999 --> 02:47:19,626
to really come up with some kind

3996
02:47:19,626 --> 02:47:22,626
of solution because this is

3997
02:47:22,959 --> 02:47:26,584
getting too old. We need to do

3998
02:47:26,584 --> 02:47:27,584
something besides just suing

3999
02:47:27,584 --> 02:47:29,834
them in a civil case because

4000
02:47:29,834 --> 02:47:30,999
that's going to take forever.

4001
02:47:30,999 --> 02:47:33,459
we're talking about fraud in the

4002
02:47:33,459 --> 02:47:34,459
tens of millions of dollars

4003
02:47:34,459 --> 02:47:35,999
potentially to not just the

4004
02:47:35,999 --> 02:47:37,667
county of orange but also to the

4005
02:47:37,667 --> 02:47:40,667
federal government. And so the

4006
02:47:42,709 --> 02:47:43,667
assistant that, you know, we

4007
02:47:43,667 --> 02:47:45,918
need to go back and ask them,

4008
02:47:45,918 --> 02:47:47,375
one, does the 360 clinic

4009
02:47:47,375 --> 02:47:48,999
actually still officially

4010
02:47:48,999 --> 02:47:52,599
accompany -- a company? Two, if

4011
02:47:53,626 --> 02:47:54,999
yes, then who is still there?

4012
02:47:54,999 --> 02:47:57,125
who can we talk to? If they

4013
02:47:57,125 --> 02:47:58,292
don't want to let us talk to

4014
02:47:58,292 --> 02:48:00,999
vince, then who else? And what

4015
02:48:00,999 --> 02:48:02,876
is the responsibility of the

4016
02:48:02,876 --> 02:48:05,276
corporations that are above 360?

4017
02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:08,999
what are their responsibilities,

4018
02:48:08,999 --> 02:48:11,292
you know? Because obviously,

4019
02:48:11,292 --> 02:48:13,667
360 is just a dba of, you

4020
02:48:13,667 --> 02:48:16,584
know -- of a subcompany, of the

4021
02:48:16,584 --> 02:48:18,000
mother ship. And so I think

4022
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:19,667
those are the kinds of questions

4023
02:48:19,667 --> 02:48:21,830
I would like you to go back and

4024
02:48:21,830 --> 02:48:23,209
ask them. But on top of that,

4025
02:48:23,209 --> 02:48:24,167
though, I think we need to go a

4026
02:48:24,167 --> 02:48:25,959
little further and to insist on

4027
02:48:25,959 --> 02:48:28,918
getting all the documentation of

4028
02:48:28,918 --> 02:48:30,292
all the claims that were

4029
02:48:30,292 --> 02:48:32,834
submitted to the county, that

4030
02:48:32,834 --> 02:48:33,999
hasn't been submitted yet

4031
02:48:33,999 --> 02:48:36,399
outside of the 30,000 claims

4032
02:48:37,420 --> 02:48:38,000
that's been submitted.

4033
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:39,542
>>speaker: and to clarify, with

4034
02:48:39,542 --> 02:48:41,667
the 13,000, this was a function

4035
02:48:41,667 --> 02:48:43,999
of the timing when they were --

4036
02:48:43,999 --> 02:48:45,420
when those were -- the county

4037
02:48:45,420 --> 02:48:48,501
requested the -- so for the --

4038
02:48:48,501 --> 02:48:49,626
prior to that the process was

4039
02:48:49,626 --> 02:48:51,876
they submitted an excel

4040
02:48:51,876 --> 02:48:53,125
spreadsheet with the summary and

4041
02:48:53,125 --> 02:48:54,999
then I don't remember what time

4042
02:48:54,999 --> 02:48:56,250
period it was, but then that's

4043
02:48:56,250 --> 02:48:58,946
when based on some of the --

4044
02:48:58,946 --> 02:49:00,211
that they were reviewing

4045
02:49:00,211 --> 02:49:01,399
information and certain other

4046
02:49:01,399 --> 02:49:03,306
information came to light, the

4047
02:49:03,306 --> 02:49:04,751
decision was made to request the

4048
02:49:04,751 --> 02:49:07,000
supporting documentation and the

4049
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:07,999
explanations of benefits for the

4050
02:49:07,999 --> 02:49:09,999
remaining 13,000, just to

4051
02:49:10,999 --> 02:49:13,999
clarify as to the why the 13,000

4052
02:49:13,999 --> 02:49:15,667
is the number out of the -- not

4053
02:49:15,667 --> 02:49:17,667
the entire 69,000.

4054
02:49:17,809 --> 02:49:18,626
>>janet nguyen: but that I

4055
02:49:18,626 --> 02:49:20,167
believe is during the time when

4056
02:49:20,167 --> 02:49:21,834
the county looked at it and

4057
02:49:21,834 --> 02:49:23,125
started questioning. That's why

4058
02:49:23,125 --> 02:49:25,459
they asked for that number. So

4059
02:49:25,459 --> 02:49:26,999
I think though at this point we

4060
02:49:26,999 --> 02:49:29,250
should ask for all. We should

4061
02:49:29,250 --> 02:49:30,918
ask to get all the documentation

4062
02:49:30,918 --> 02:49:33,999
of all of the other claims, you

4063
02:49:33,999 --> 02:49:36,918
know. I mean, we're lucky if we

4064
02:49:36,918 --> 02:49:37,999
can get it from them. It

4065
02:49:37,999 --> 02:49:39,830
doesn't seem like they want to

4066
02:49:39,830 --> 02:49:41,709
have any conversation with any

4067
02:49:41,709 --> 02:49:44,501
authority or us, any public

4068
02:49:44,501 --> 02:49:45,334
agency at this point. But I

4069
02:49:45,334 --> 02:49:47,209
think this is what transparency

4070
02:49:47,209 --> 02:49:49,417
is. If they haven't done

4071
02:49:49,417 --> 02:49:50,000
anything wrong, they should then

4072
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:52,209
submit the information. If they

4073
02:49:52,209 --> 02:49:53,876
haven't done anything wrong,

4074
02:49:53,876 --> 02:49:55,417
vince should be talking to us,

4075
02:49:55,417 --> 02:49:56,834
or whoever it is, whether it's

4076
02:49:56,834 --> 02:49:58,501
gary, larry or whoever it is,

4077
02:49:58,501 --> 02:50:00,830
that, you know, that ran the

4078
02:50:00,830 --> 02:50:02,483
360. Because they are all

4079
02:50:02,999 --> 02:50:05,501
connected. It's not that they

4080
02:50:05,501 --> 02:50:09,701
aren't. My next -- so what is

4081
02:50:09,999 --> 02:50:12,375
the next step then if his former

4082
02:50:12,375 --> 02:50:13,830
chief staff is not talking to

4083
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:16,292
us? What do we do? I mean, how

4084
02:50:16,292 --> 02:50:16,999
do we get more information if

4085
02:50:16,999 --> 02:50:20,626
he's not willing to talk to us?

4086
02:50:20,626 --> 02:50:21,584
>>speaker: we don't have

4087
02:50:21,584 --> 02:50:23,876
subpoena power, so -- and he's a

4088
02:50:23,876 --> 02:50:25,250
former employee, he's so not

4089
02:50:25,250 --> 02:50:27,650
obliged to participate. We've

4090
02:50:27,792 --> 02:50:30,709
reviewed his emails, and we've

4091
02:50:30,709 --> 02:50:32,999
conducted interviews with people

4092
02:50:32,999 --> 02:50:36,599
who, you know, were witness to

4093
02:50:36,876 --> 02:50:38,292
how decisions were made, but

4094
02:50:38,292 --> 02:50:40,918
short of having subpoena power,

4095
02:50:40,918 --> 02:50:42,999
there's really not a whole lot

4096
02:50:42,999 --> 02:50:45,000
that we can do from -- as far as

4097
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:47,375
weaver to compel him to speak

4098
02:50:47,375 --> 02:50:48,375
with us or provide us with any

4099
02:50:48,375 --> 02:50:50,375
kind of information.

4100
02:50:50,584 --> 02:50:51,542
>>janet nguyen: thank you. And

4101
02:50:51,542 --> 02:50:55,142
so then, mr. County counsel, I

4102
02:50:55,501 --> 02:50:57,417
would then -- I know that the

4103
02:50:57,417 --> 02:50:59,959
d.a. Has mentioned publically

4104
02:50:59,959 --> 02:51:00,667
that he is looking at report as

4105
02:51:00,667 --> 02:51:04,267
well. But I think an official

4106
02:51:05,292 --> 02:51:06,999
request from the county to the

4107
02:51:06,999 --> 02:51:12,420
d.a. And ag and/or the doj --

4108
02:51:12,420 --> 02:51:13,999
and actually officially sending

4109
02:51:13,999 --> 02:51:15,999
them the report I think would be

4110
02:51:15,999 --> 02:51:18,209
more helpful than just to hope

4111
02:51:18,209 --> 02:51:20,542
that they caught article and

4112
02:51:20,542 --> 02:51:23,459
read it. So I think, you know,

4113
02:51:23,459 --> 02:51:25,876
furthering that would give them

4114
02:51:25,876 --> 02:51:28,125
potentially -- because, you

4115
02:51:28,125 --> 02:51:31,334
know, all the -- those who were

4116
02:51:31,334 --> 02:51:34,417
part of the scheme has not been

4117
02:51:34,417 --> 02:51:36,918
touched yet. And I think this

4118
02:51:36,918 --> 02:51:38,999
is not just something that is on

4119
02:51:38,999 --> 02:51:41,959
just andrew do. We need make

4120
02:51:41,959 --> 02:51:44,375
sure that the public understands

4121
02:51:44,375 --> 02:51:46,417
that we are going to hold people

4122
02:51:46,417 --> 02:51:48,999
accountable. Not just the one

4123
02:51:48,999 --> 02:51:52,599
individual. And so we just need

4124
02:51:52,626 --> 02:51:54,292
to make sure that they continue

4125
02:51:54,292 --> 02:51:56,834
to look at this case and see if

4126
02:51:56,834 --> 02:51:58,830
there's -- maybe there might

4127
02:51:58,830 --> 02:52:01,334
even be new cases or new

4128
02:52:01,334 --> 02:52:04,250
findings that wasn't part of the

4129
02:52:04,250 --> 02:52:06,751
previous plea agreement with the

4130
02:52:06,751 --> 02:52:09,151
former supervisor. Were you

4131
02:52:09,834 --> 02:52:12,834
able to interview clayton chau,

4132
02:52:16,999 --> 02:52:19,399
the former hca director?

4133
02:52:19,751 --> 02:52:21,999
>>speaker: yes, we were able to

4134
02:52:21,999 --> 02:52:23,167
speak with him.

4135
02:52:23,167 --> 02:52:24,000
>>janet nguyen: I know that you

4136
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:26,542
found nothing, but is there --

4137
02:52:26,542 --> 02:52:28,918
was it very specific questions

4138
02:52:28,918 --> 02:52:33,118
you asked him or was he willing

4139
02:52:33,125 --> 02:52:33,999
to provide more information

4140
02:52:33,999 --> 02:52:37,599
or -- I'm just -- because

4141
02:52:38,584 --> 02:52:41,792
there's a lot of the items that

4142
02:52:41,792 --> 02:52:45,992
was given out, came -- a lot

4143
02:52:46,999 --> 02:52:49,751
came from hca, and so he was at

4144
02:52:49,751 --> 02:52:51,209
the helm. What is it that we

4145
02:52:51,209 --> 02:52:54,125
don't know, and how can we make

4146
02:52:54,125 --> 02:52:56,525
sure that everybody rock's

4147
02:52:57,999 --> 02:52:59,999
uncovered.

4148
02:53:00,918 --> 02:53:01,999
>>speaker: we spoke with him for

4149
02:53:01,999 --> 02:53:03,747
probably an hour and a half. We

4150
02:53:03,747 --> 02:53:07,000
have, you know, a list of 40 or

4151
02:53:07,000 --> 02:53:09,400
50 questions, and he answered,

4152
02:53:10,999 --> 02:53:11,918
you know, all of our questions

4153
02:53:11,918 --> 02:53:14,918
and was cooperative. But, yeah,

4154
02:53:16,375 --> 02:53:18,830
we did have specific questions,

4155
02:53:18,830 --> 02:53:19,999
you know, not just about the

4156
02:53:19,999 --> 02:53:22,399
contract with 360 clinic but

4157
02:53:22,417 --> 02:53:24,417
other healthcare agency

4158
02:53:24,918 --> 02:53:26,999
contracts that were awarded

4159
02:53:26,999 --> 02:53:28,999
during his tenure.

4160
02:53:31,323 --> 02:53:33,702
>>janet nguyen: so nothing

4161
02:53:33,702 --> 02:53:34,811
alarming to you?

4162
02:53:34,811 --> 02:53:36,379
>>speaker: I think the common

4163
02:53:36,379 --> 02:53:38,654
theme was the pandemic and the

4164
02:53:38,654 --> 02:53:40,220
certain circumstances that were

4165
02:53:40,220 --> 02:53:41,827
being operated during that time

4166
02:53:41,827 --> 02:53:43,354
period. And I think that

4167
02:53:43,354 --> 02:53:44,334
environment is different than

4168
02:53:44,334 --> 02:53:45,999
the normal procurement

4169
02:53:45,999 --> 02:53:48,999
environment and I think he

4170
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:54,420
joined the county in april of

4171
02:53:54,420 --> 02:53:56,292
2020 right when the pandemic

4172
02:53:56,292 --> 02:53:57,417
started or a month into it, so I

4173
02:53:57,417 --> 02:54:00,999
think that that was -- played a

4174
02:54:00,999 --> 02:54:02,709
role into, you know, a lot of

4175
02:54:02,709 --> 02:54:03,999
the contracts that we're looking

4176
02:54:03,999 --> 02:54:06,626
at, you know, in the backdrop of

4177
02:54:06,626 --> 02:54:08,901
that as the pandemic and the

4178
02:54:08,901 --> 02:54:11,901
need to get contracts approved

4179
02:54:13,259 --> 02:54:15,740
quickly, get things -- the

4180
02:54:15,740 --> 02:54:16,434
testing, for example, get it up

4181
02:54:16,434 --> 02:54:18,124
and rung as quickly as possible.

4182
02:54:18,124 --> 02:54:19,525
I think that was, you know, his

4183
02:54:19,525 --> 02:54:21,525
priority and focus.

4184
02:54:28,698 --> 02:54:31,626
>>janet nguyen: the report shows

4185
02:54:31,626 --> 02:54:34,260
he 33 of the 145 contracts

4186
02:54:34,667 --> 02:54:37,670
having significant findings. In

4187
02:54:38,250 --> 02:54:40,650
your professional judgment, do

4188
02:54:40,999 --> 02:54:41,999
you believe that the conduct

4189
02:54:41,999 --> 02:54:44,000
you've documented was isolated

4190
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:47,334
to just those 33 or does it

4191
02:54:47,334 --> 02:54:48,999
reflect a broader pattern than

4192
02:54:48,999 --> 02:54:51,184
may extend in phases 2 and 4?

4193
02:54:51,184 --> 02:54:52,625
>>speaker: so we highlighted

4194
02:54:52,625 --> 02:54:54,274
kind of the more significant

4195
02:54:54,274 --> 02:54:55,717
findings in the executive

4196
02:54:55,717 --> 02:54:57,324
summary, but there were some

4197
02:54:57,324 --> 02:54:58,976
other observations associated

4198
02:54:58,976 --> 02:55:00,906
with the other -- some of the

4199
02:55:00,906 --> 02:55:03,349
other contracts. We also know,

4200
02:55:03,349 --> 02:55:04,956
as we've started to look at

4201
02:55:04,956 --> 02:55:07,356
phase 2 contracts, which are

4202
02:55:08,792 --> 02:55:10,999
classified as high priority by

4203
02:55:10,999 --> 02:55:12,292
the internal audit department

4204
02:55:12,292 --> 02:55:13,999
selection of contracts, that we

4205
02:55:13,999 --> 02:55:15,417
know that there are contracts

4206
02:55:15,417 --> 02:55:16,375
included in those. There are

4207
02:55:16,375 --> 02:55:19,334
630 that relate to, you know,

4208
02:55:19,334 --> 02:55:20,167
specific districts and

4209
02:55:20,167 --> 02:55:21,999
specifically district 1

4210
02:55:21,999 --> 02:55:23,250
contracts that, you know, may

4211
02:55:23,250 --> 02:55:25,584
have similar patterns to some of

4212
02:55:25,584 --> 02:55:29,784
the ones we saw in phase 1. So

4213
02:55:29,999 --> 02:55:31,792
I don't think we can speak to

4214
02:55:31,792 --> 02:55:33,209
phases 3 and 4, but for phase 2

4215
02:55:33,209 --> 02:55:34,834
I think there is the potential

4216
02:55:34,834 --> 02:55:37,999
for some of the same pattern to

4217
02:55:37,999 --> 02:55:40,420
be identified in some of these

4218
02:55:40,420 --> 02:55:42,420
phase 2 contracts.

4219
02:55:44,501 --> 02:55:47,459
>>janet nguyen: I know that for

4220
02:55:47,459 --> 02:55:48,999
reference a lot of emails that

4221
02:55:48,999 --> 02:55:51,334
you read between do, his chief

4222
02:55:51,334 --> 02:55:53,417
of staff and the vendors, were

4223
02:55:53,417 --> 02:55:55,792
there any communications you

4224
02:55:55,792 --> 02:55:56,918
reviewed that you were unable to

4225
02:55:56,918 --> 02:56:00,518
include in the report that you

4226
02:56:00,542 --> 02:56:01,999
believe is relevant to the full

4227
02:56:01,999 --> 02:56:04,375
picture and was there any

4228
02:56:04,375 --> 02:56:06,775
repeated approval chain that

4229
02:56:10,209 --> 02:56:12,584
were pragmatic contracts, like

4230
02:56:12,584 --> 02:56:14,999
were there employees whose name

4231
02:56:14,999 --> 02:56:16,375
kept on coming up across

4232
02:56:16,375 --> 02:56:16,626
multiple finding?

4233
02:56:16,626 --> 02:56:18,999
we should be aware of?

4234
02:56:18,999 --> 02:56:20,417
>>speaker: so the first question

4235
02:56:20,417 --> 02:56:22,792
regarding the emails, so there

4236
02:56:22,792 --> 02:56:25,792
was emails that raised concerns

4237
02:56:25,876 --> 02:56:27,420
that we didn't include

4238
02:56:27,420 --> 02:56:29,417
necessarily because of the --

4239
02:56:29,417 --> 02:56:30,999
they didn't relate to the

4240
02:56:30,999 --> 02:56:31,999
contracts included in phase 1,

4241
02:56:31,999 --> 02:56:33,292
although, we did make reference

4242
02:56:33,292 --> 02:56:35,959
to them. So for example, in the

4243
02:56:35,959 --> 02:56:37,918
report we mention that we came

4244
02:56:37,918 --> 02:56:39,626
across an email that showed that

4245
02:56:39,626 --> 02:56:42,834
there was a permit issued by hd

4246
02:56:42,834 --> 02:56:45,834
construction owned by mr. Pham

4247
02:56:46,334 --> 02:56:47,334
related to a kitchen renovation

4248
02:56:47,334 --> 02:56:50,125
for the personal residence of

4249
02:56:50,125 --> 02:56:51,999
former supervisor do. That

4250
02:56:51,999 --> 02:56:53,999
email didn't relate to a

4251
02:56:53,999 --> 02:56:56,667
specific contract, but it was

4252
02:56:56,667 --> 02:56:58,626
relevant. So we referenced it

4253
02:56:58,626 --> 02:57:01,751
as part of a broader picture.

4254
02:57:01,751 --> 02:57:05,626
and so to the extent we didn't

4255
02:57:05,626 --> 02:57:07,209
reference an email specifically,

4256
02:57:07,209 --> 02:57:07,999
it may have just been a function

4257
02:57:07,999 --> 02:57:10,000
of whether it applied or was

4258
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:12,626
relevant to a specific contract.

4259
02:57:12,626 --> 02:57:13,375
>>janet nguyen: what about names

4260
02:57:13,375 --> 02:57:16,375
of employees that have been

4261
02:57:16,999 --> 02:57:19,250
mentioned multiple times in any

4262
02:57:19,250 --> 02:57:21,626
of the conversations or any of

4263
02:57:21,626 --> 02:57:24,167
the interviews that, you know --

4264
02:57:24,167 --> 02:57:27,767
that we should be aware of?

4265
02:57:27,999 --> 02:57:30,399
>>speaker: so there --

4266
02:57:30,834 --> 02:57:31,959
>>janet nguyen: outside the

4267
02:57:31,959 --> 02:57:35,584
chief of staff, you know, or the

4268
02:57:35,584 --> 02:57:36,334
usual suspect already.

4269
02:57:36,334 --> 02:57:37,999
>>speaker: we talked to a number

4270
02:57:37,999 --> 02:57:40,125
of employees who -- you know,

4271
02:57:40,125 --> 02:57:41,626
whether they were a contract

4272
02:57:41,626 --> 02:57:44,626
manager or, you know, involved

4273
02:57:45,417 --> 02:57:46,501
somehow in the procurement

4274
02:57:46,501 --> 02:57:48,375
process, you know, whether it's

4275
02:57:48,375 --> 02:57:52,575
with occr or hca or the county

4276
02:57:52,709 --> 02:57:54,792
executive office. To the extent

4277
02:57:54,792 --> 02:57:56,830
that we saw that they were part

4278
02:57:56,830 --> 02:57:57,751
of the approval process, we

4279
02:57:57,751 --> 02:57:59,292
wanted to get information from

4280
02:57:59,292 --> 02:58:00,999
them to determine were there any

4281
02:58:00,999 --> 02:58:02,250
efforts to influence or pressure

4282
02:58:02,250 --> 02:58:04,876
them. And I think that's where

4283
02:58:04,876 --> 02:58:07,125
one of the observations and find

4284
02:58:07,125 --> 02:58:08,375
things that we had was that for

4285
02:58:08,375 --> 02:58:10,420
some of the contracts

4286
02:58:10,420 --> 02:58:11,584
specifically with the festivals

4287
02:58:11,584 --> 02:58:14,501
and the events, there was, you

4288
02:58:14,501 --> 02:58:15,999
know, things that were kind

4289
02:58:15,999 --> 02:58:17,584
of -- they did have questions

4290
02:58:17,584 --> 02:58:19,417
about like why are we paying

4291
02:58:19,417 --> 02:58:22,417
this vendor in advance, which is

4292
02:58:22,417 --> 02:58:24,459
a gray area. It's not something

4293
02:58:24,459 --> 02:58:26,459
that's explicitly prohibited.

4294
02:58:27,542 --> 02:58:29,959
there's -- and so they, you

4295
02:58:29,959 --> 02:58:31,501
know, raised concerns to their

4296
02:58:31,501 --> 02:58:33,420
supervisors, and that's where

4297
02:58:33,420 --> 02:58:34,834
the -- I think the culture of,

4298
02:58:34,834 --> 02:58:36,250
if they didn't, you know,

4299
02:58:36,250 --> 02:58:39,250
approve that and move forward

4300
02:58:39,334 --> 02:58:40,417
with, it they were likely going

4301
02:58:40,417 --> 02:58:42,250
to get a call from either

4302
02:58:42,250 --> 02:58:44,650
mr. Wangsaporn or former

4303
02:58:45,584 --> 02:58:46,420
supervisor do. And so that was

4304
02:58:46,420 --> 02:58:49,642
the environment which a lot of

4305
02:58:49,959 --> 02:58:51,626
the procurement decisions, was

4306
02:58:51,626 --> 02:58:53,999
there was some things that were

4307
02:58:53,999 --> 02:58:55,542
in the gray area, especially

4308
02:58:55,542 --> 02:58:58,542
with this period of emergency

4309
02:58:59,420 --> 02:59:00,584
purchases, sole-source

4310
02:59:00,584 --> 02:59:01,292
purchases, district

4311
02:59:01,292 --> 02:59:02,999
discretionary funds that had

4312
02:59:02,999 --> 02:59:04,542
been approved at the board level

4313
02:59:04,542 --> 02:59:08,142
that were used to justify these

4314
02:59:08,999 --> 02:59:11,417
decisions, and they felt, you

4315
02:59:11,417 --> 02:59:12,999
know, that if they didn't go

4316
02:59:12,999 --> 02:59:14,999
along with it that they would

4317
02:59:14,999 --> 02:59:16,709
get a call. So I don't know if

4318
02:59:16,709 --> 02:59:19,709
that answers your question, but

4319
02:59:22,292 --> 02:59:23,834
there were employees involved

4320
02:59:23,834 --> 02:59:25,517
with a lot of the different

4321
02:59:25,517 --> 02:59:27,210
contracts because a lot of these

4322
02:59:27,210 --> 02:59:27,693
were the same types of

4323
02:59:27,693 --> 02:59:28,676
contracts.

4324
02:59:28,676 --> 02:59:30,760
>>janet nguyen: I was looking

4325
02:59:30,760 --> 02:59:30,976
for more of a pattern, right,

4326
02:59:30,976 --> 02:59:32,243
like if there was a specific

4327
02:59:32,243 --> 02:59:33,101
employee that kept on -- besides

4328
02:59:33,101 --> 02:59:35,666
his chief of staff -- pushing it

4329
02:59:35,666 --> 02:59:36,692
internally at the county level

4330
02:59:36,692 --> 02:59:39,920
that we are not aware of.

4331
02:59:39,920 --> 02:59:41,451
>>speaker: not that --

4332
02:59:41,451 --> 02:59:42,476
>>janet nguyen: you know, one or

4333
02:59:42,476 --> 02:59:43,791
two -- I've seen some of the

4334
02:59:43,791 --> 02:59:45,484
emails that questioned it, and

4335
02:59:45,484 --> 02:59:46,760
it went all the way up to the

4336
02:59:46,760 --> 02:59:49,760
highest chain in this county.

4337
02:59:49,949 --> 02:59:52,767
but it's more I'm trying to see

4338
02:59:52,767 --> 02:59:53,626
was there a pattern of county

4339
02:59:53,626 --> 02:59:56,584
employees outside of his office

4340
02:59:56,584 --> 02:59:59,584
that were always involved in

4341
02:59:59,959 --> 03:00:02,584
every one of these potential

4342
03:00:02,584 --> 03:00:05,167
contracts or payments when a

4343
03:00:05,167 --> 03:00:07,417
payment request comes in.

4344
03:00:07,417 --> 03:00:08,999
that's what I'm more curious

4345
03:00:08,999 --> 03:00:09,751
about.

4346
03:00:09,751 --> 03:00:11,167
>>speaker: so I would say no,

4347
03:00:11,167 --> 03:00:12,918
but there were people who were

4348
03:00:12,918 --> 03:00:16,751
being -- on the receiving end of

4349
03:00:16,751 --> 03:00:18,834
it, that they were being pushed

4350
03:00:18,834 --> 03:00:21,125
or they were -- they knew if

4351
03:00:21,125 --> 03:00:21,999
they didn't approve it, they

4352
03:00:21,999 --> 03:00:24,459
would get pushed by district 1

4353
03:00:24,459 --> 03:00:25,709
leadership.

4354
03:00:25,709 --> 03:00:26,542
>>janet nguyen: and then I've

4355
03:00:26,542 --> 03:00:28,792
got a few more, mr. Chairman,

4356
03:00:28,792 --> 03:00:30,459
and then I'll pause so that my

4357
03:00:30,459 --> 03:00:32,000
colleagues, if anybody else has

4358
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:33,834
questions on, it I would request

4359
03:00:33,834 --> 03:00:37,959
a few more. But let me -- I

4360
03:00:37,959 --> 03:00:40,924
know you also touched on dtn and

4361
03:00:40,924 --> 03:00:42,531
tech. And the report notes that

4362
03:00:42,531 --> 03:00:44,766
the chief of staff, you know, e

4363
03:00:44,766 --> 03:00:48,186
emailed dtn tech to tend out

4364
03:00:48,186 --> 03:00:50,254
54,000 household mailers to the

4365
03:00:50,254 --> 03:00:52,529
district, right. And did you

4366
03:00:52,529 --> 03:00:54,125
examine whether any of those

4367
03:00:54,125 --> 03:00:57,209
mailers would be billed to the

4368
03:00:57,209 --> 03:00:57,999
county at a different rate other

4369
03:00:57,999 --> 03:01:00,420
than what was billed to

4370
03:01:00,420 --> 03:01:01,125
political campaigns.

4371
03:01:01,125 --> 03:01:04,725
>>speaker: so we spoke with dtn

4372
03:01:05,000 --> 03:01:06,148
techs ownership a couple of

4373
03:01:06,148 --> 03:01:08,800
times and asked similar

4374
03:01:08,800 --> 03:01:09,574
questions. What they informed

4375
03:01:09,574 --> 03:01:12,100
us was that the process by which

4376
03:01:12,100 --> 03:01:14,830
they are contracted for

4377
03:01:14,830 --> 03:01:15,691
different campaigns, there's a

4378
03:01:15,691 --> 03:01:17,584
bidding process, so the pricing

4379
03:01:17,584 --> 03:01:20,999
is locked in based on the bid.

4380
03:01:20,999 --> 03:01:21,999
typically they're engaged

4381
03:01:21,999 --> 03:01:23,999
through a creditor or consultant

4382
03:01:23,999 --> 03:01:26,334
like a campaign consultant,

4383
03:01:26,334 --> 03:01:27,999
versus, you know, directly by

4384
03:01:27,999 --> 03:01:31,599
the campaign but I think that

4385
03:01:32,417 --> 03:01:34,830
varies. But, no, and there's

4386
03:01:34,830 --> 03:01:36,417
also oversight through the

4387
03:01:36,417 --> 03:01:37,999
federal election commission. So

4388
03:01:37,999 --> 03:01:40,959
I think that we didn't identify

4389
03:01:40,959 --> 03:01:41,918
evidence if there was any kind

4390
03:01:41,918 --> 03:01:45,518
of, you know, reduced pricing or

4391
03:01:45,542 --> 03:01:47,999
discounts, you know, for the

4392
03:01:47,999 --> 03:01:49,459
campaign services. But we also

4393
03:01:49,459 --> 03:01:52,459
didn't have full visibility into

4394
03:01:53,999 --> 03:01:56,916
their contracts for campaigns as

4395
03:01:56,916 --> 03:01:58,649
that was outside our scope.

4396
03:01:58,649 --> 03:02:01,281
>>janet nguyen: did you ask for

4397
03:02:01,281 --> 03:02:03,700
it and did they give it to you?

4398
03:02:03,700 --> 03:02:04,833
>>speaker: they said they did

4399
03:02:04,833 --> 03:02:07,650
not have it. I think their

4400
03:02:07,650 --> 03:02:09,515
response was they would need

4401
03:02:09,515 --> 03:02:11,540
permission to provide it based

4402
03:02:11,540 --> 03:02:12,525
on their contracts with campaign

4403
03:02:12,525 --> 03:02:13,383
consultants.

4404
03:02:13,383 --> 03:02:16,830
>>janet nguyen: so that --

4405
03:02:16,830 --> 03:02:16,999
because, here's what's

4406
03:02:16,999 --> 03:02:18,584
interesting, here's a mailer

4407
03:02:18,584 --> 03:02:21,999
from the former supervisor for a

4408
03:02:21,999 --> 03:02:24,834
tet festival. Here's a mailer

4409
03:02:24,834 --> 03:02:28,434
for his chief of staff. They're

4410
03:02:29,292 --> 03:02:31,000
identical, same size. I would

4411
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:32,501
be curious to see what the

4412
03:02:32,501 --> 03:02:35,501
differences in cost is. Because

4413
03:02:36,167 --> 03:02:38,250
I'll tell you, from what we've

4414
03:02:38,250 --> 03:02:40,830
seen, when you look at campaign

4415
03:02:40,830 --> 03:02:43,389
reports, it seems like he got --

4416
03:02:43,389 --> 03:02:44,830
this is just an estimate because

4417
03:02:44,830 --> 03:02:46,523
we don't know the exact how many

4418
03:02:46,523 --> 03:02:49,282
went out -- almost like 16 cents

4419
03:02:49,282 --> 03:02:52,390
per piece that he paid, which is

4420
03:02:52,390 --> 03:02:54,790
unbelievable. Everyone on this

4421
03:02:56,400 --> 03:02:57,773
dais can say that is like the

4422
03:02:57,773 --> 03:03:00,174
cheapest you can ever -- it's

4423
03:03:00,174 --> 03:03:03,774
unheard of. So that's where is

4424
03:03:03,990 --> 03:03:06,125
that they should be able to

4425
03:03:06,125 --> 03:03:08,525
provide that information because

4426
03:03:08,999 --> 03:03:11,542
it's very clear that campaign

4427
03:03:11,542 --> 03:03:14,417
will pay for what it is in terms

4428
03:03:14,417 --> 03:03:16,876
of postage just like everybody

4429
03:03:16,876 --> 03:03:19,000
else, unless it goes through a

4430
03:03:19,000 --> 03:03:22,600
nonprofit or to the party. It's

4431
03:03:22,918 --> 03:03:24,334
a little discounted rate there.

4432
03:03:24,334 --> 03:03:27,417
but most campaigns pay the same

4433
03:03:27,417 --> 03:03:29,830
stamp rate that you and I would

4434
03:03:29,830 --> 03:03:31,584
pay if we were to mail to our

4435
03:03:31,584 --> 03:03:33,542
family, friends or bills, right.

4436
03:03:33,542 --> 03:03:34,501
and so that's where I think if

4437
03:03:34,501 --> 03:03:36,901
they're exactly identical, it's

4438
03:03:37,459 --> 03:03:38,999
the same company, I'm more

4439
03:03:38,999 --> 03:03:42,125
curious to know was the county

4440
03:03:42,125 --> 03:03:44,525
overbilled or overcharged to

4441
03:03:45,334 --> 03:03:47,292
give someone else a discount,

4442
03:03:47,292 --> 03:03:49,692
which is actually illegal.

4443
03:03:51,501 --> 03:03:53,817
because that's not only, one,

4444
03:03:53,817 --> 03:03:55,510
the county is paying for

4445
03:03:55,510 --> 03:03:57,910
someone's campaign mailers but,

4446
03:03:58,446 --> 03:04:00,648
two, is they're getting favors

4447
03:04:00,648 --> 03:04:03,700
from a county to off-set a

4448
03:04:03,700 --> 03:04:04,876
donation from the company that

4449
03:04:04,876 --> 03:04:06,999
exceeds the contribution limits.

4450
03:04:06,999 --> 03:04:11,675
and so I think going back to dtn

4451
03:04:11,675 --> 03:04:13,480
and asking those questions would

4452
03:04:13,480 --> 03:04:17,800
be helpful a former staff that

4453
03:04:17,501 --> 03:04:18,584
worked for the county at one of

4454
03:04:18,584 --> 03:04:20,918
the supervisor's offices at the

4455
03:04:20,918 --> 03:04:22,417
time is also the campaign

4456
03:04:22,417 --> 03:04:24,459
manager and the consultant to

4457
03:04:24,459 --> 03:04:26,709
dtn tech. And so I think those

4458
03:04:26,709 --> 03:04:28,250
are the kind of questions that

4459
03:04:28,250 --> 03:04:29,250
should be asked, and if they

4460
03:04:29,250 --> 03:04:31,375
won't provide it, then, I'm

4461
03:04:31,375 --> 03:04:34,375
sorry, mr. County counsel, those

4462
03:04:35,417 --> 03:04:36,792
who work for you, it's time to

4463
03:04:36,792 --> 03:04:40,392
ask fppc to ask, because fppc

4464
03:04:41,709 --> 03:04:43,918
can subpoena those records. And

4465
03:04:43,918 --> 03:04:45,501
if it's the question coming from

4466
03:04:45,501 --> 03:04:48,420
the county, this will have to

4467
03:04:48,420 --> 03:04:50,417
provide those records. How much

4468
03:04:50,417 --> 03:04:53,626
was mailed out, for what mailer,

4469
03:04:53,626 --> 03:04:55,420
what the cost was per piece,

4470
03:04:55,420 --> 03:04:58,125
what the cost was per postage,

4471
03:04:58,125 --> 03:04:59,792
and then we should, from the

4472
03:04:59,792 --> 03:05:02,417
county's side, ask that from our

4473
03:05:02,417 --> 03:05:04,999
side, if it was mailed 54,000,

4474
03:05:04,999 --> 03:05:07,209
how much was it per piece? How

4475
03:05:07,209 --> 03:05:09,584
much did we pay in postage? How

4476
03:05:09,584 --> 03:05:11,000
many of the mailers were done

4477
03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:13,250
during that time? Because dtn

4478
03:05:13,250 --> 03:05:14,792
not only had contracts with the

4479
03:05:14,792 --> 03:05:17,420
county in terms of mailers, but

4480
03:05:17,420 --> 03:05:20,642
also had contracts in terms of

4481
03:05:21,626 --> 03:05:24,626
swags. Whether it's t-shirts or

4482
03:05:24,834 --> 03:05:26,542
whatever, they had a huge

4483
03:05:26,542 --> 03:05:27,959
contract with the county

4484
03:05:27,959 --> 03:05:30,167
overall. And so what is it that

4485
03:05:30,167 --> 03:05:33,167
they got that could potentially

4486
03:05:34,999 --> 03:05:37,999
off-set these campaigns? And if

4487
03:05:38,542 --> 03:05:40,999
I'm wrong, then, great, we don't

4488
03:05:40,999 --> 03:05:43,209
have a problem. But if I'm not

4489
03:05:43,209 --> 03:05:44,999
wrong, I mean, I would love to

4490
03:05:44,999 --> 03:05:48,599
be proved wrong. But I don't

4491
03:05:49,250 --> 03:05:50,876
think I'm wrong, but my

4492
03:05:50,876 --> 03:05:54,476
suspicion, my -- I'm thinking --

4493
03:05:58,459 --> 03:05:59,417
or I believe that there's some

4494
03:05:59,417 --> 03:06:00,999
unfairness here. And I think

4495
03:06:00,999 --> 03:06:02,501
that the taxpayer county

4496
03:06:02,501 --> 03:06:04,209
residents had to pay for someone

4497
03:06:04,209 --> 03:06:07,209
else's campaign for favors. And

4498
03:06:07,834 --> 03:06:09,501
so I think, you know, going back

4499
03:06:09,501 --> 03:06:11,751
asking dtn for these documents,

4500
03:06:11,751 --> 03:06:13,999
if they don't provide, it we

4501
03:06:13,999 --> 03:06:15,667
should go ahead and ask fppc to

4502
03:06:15,667 --> 03:06:17,667
get involved.

4503
03:06:17,918 --> 03:06:19,334
>>speaker: yeah. I understand.

4504
03:06:19,334 --> 03:06:21,709
we did ask the questions about

4505
03:06:21,709 --> 03:06:23,250
the pricing for the campaigns.

4506
03:06:23,250 --> 03:06:25,334
and, you know, there's us asking

4507
03:06:25,334 --> 03:06:26,876
for documents related to

4508
03:06:26,876 --> 03:06:28,542
non-county contracts, you know,

4509
03:06:28,542 --> 03:06:30,626
is -- I think that's where we

4510
03:06:30,626 --> 03:06:32,626
have limitations, but we also

4511
03:06:32,626 --> 03:06:33,876
did review the contracts with

4512
03:06:33,876 --> 03:06:36,000
dtn tech that were in phase 1

4513
03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:36,999
that related to mailing

4514
03:06:36,999 --> 03:06:38,792
services, swag services as well

4515
03:06:38,792 --> 03:06:41,792
as obviously the nutrition gap

4516
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:44,400
program. Those were all

4517
03:06:44,626 --> 03:06:47,584
competitively bid with the --

4518
03:06:47,584 --> 03:06:49,125
well, or emergency purchase.

4519
03:06:49,125 --> 03:06:51,525
but the mailers specifically,

4520
03:06:51,626 --> 03:06:54,626
they're part the group of

4521
03:06:55,167 --> 03:06:58,167
businesses that are, you know,

4522
03:06:59,202 --> 03:07:00,667
selected through the rfp process

4523
03:07:00,667 --> 03:07:02,793
that have a -- on demand or

4524
03:07:02,793 --> 03:07:04,793
as-needed-type contract. I

4525
03:07:05,193 --> 03:07:07,125
understand what you're saying,

4526
03:07:07,125 --> 03:07:09,626
and I think we can ask them and

4527
03:07:09,626 --> 03:07:11,328
then we can coordinate with the

4528
03:07:11,328 --> 03:07:12,895
internal audit department based

4529
03:07:12,895 --> 03:07:14,377
on what kind of response that we

4530
03:07:14,377 --> 03:07:15,980
get.

4531
03:07:15,980 --> 03:07:16,150
>>janet nguyen: mr. Chairman,

4532
03:07:16,150 --> 03:07:18,312
I'll pause for now and pass to

4533
03:07:18,312 --> 03:07:20,129
my colleagues.

4534
03:07:20,129 --> 03:07:21,646
>>chair, doug chaffee:

4535
03:07:21,646 --> 03:07:22,379
supervisor foley.

4536
03:07:22,379 --> 03:07:23,361
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

4537
03:07:23,361 --> 03:07:24,929
you mr. Chairman, thank you

4538
03:07:24,929 --> 03:07:26,537
supervisor nguyen. You gave me

4539
03:07:26,537 --> 03:07:28,520
a lot to think about because --

4540
03:07:28,520 --> 03:07:30,461
so supervisor wagner and I over

4541
03:07:30,461 --> 03:07:31,904
here saying, well, we just use

4542
03:07:31,904 --> 03:07:33,769
the in-house print shop at the

4543
03:07:33,769 --> 03:07:36,419
county wouldn't even occur to me

4544
03:07:36,419 --> 03:07:39,214
to go and hire a private company

4545
03:07:39,214 --> 03:07:41,710
to do mailers or printing for

4546
03:07:41,710 --> 03:07:43,836
our work here at county because

4547
03:07:43,836 --> 03:07:45,235
typically it's going to be a lot

4548
03:07:45,235 --> 03:07:46,753
less expensive to use the

4549
03:07:46,753 --> 03:07:49,777
in-house print shop than to be

4550
03:07:49,777 --> 03:07:52,177
hiring private printers. So

4551
03:07:52,220 --> 03:07:55,820
that is of concern, and I

4552
03:07:55,827 --> 03:07:57,479
support the effort to kind of

4553
03:07:57,479 --> 03:08:00,959
dig into that. So the other

4554
03:08:00,959 --> 03:08:03,943
issue with this dtn, and I like

4555
03:08:03,943 --> 03:08:07,543
us to maybe look into this.

4556
03:08:08,677 --> 03:08:10,243
maybe it can be procurement.

4557
03:08:10,243 --> 03:08:12,518
I'm not sure if it needs to be

4558
03:08:12,518 --> 03:08:13,834
the forensic auditing. But when

4559
03:08:13,834 --> 03:08:16,933
I first got here in 2021, this

4560
03:08:16,933 --> 03:08:19,309
was a company that just was

4561
03:08:19,309 --> 03:08:22,209
given to us in my office. This

4562
03:08:22,209 --> 03:08:23,901
is -- we were told this is who

4563
03:08:23,901 --> 03:08:25,175
we order all of our things

4564
03:08:25,175 --> 03:08:27,993
through. And so we accepted

4565
03:08:27,993 --> 03:08:29,142
that as this is coming from the

4566
03:08:29,142 --> 03:08:31,959
county people, and this is where

4567
03:08:31,959 --> 03:08:34,609
we would order, you know,

4568
03:08:34,609 --> 03:08:38,209
jackets and things that we need

4569
03:08:41,975 --> 03:08:43,749
for the office. And soon

4570
03:08:43,749 --> 03:08:44,984
thereafter, I learned sort of

4571
03:08:44,984 --> 03:08:45,799
the connection with the

4572
03:08:45,799 --> 03:08:46,832
political people and I didn't

4573
03:08:46,832 --> 03:08:48,999
feel right about it, so then we

4574
03:08:48,999 --> 03:08:50,918
did kind of an outsourcing and

4575
03:08:50,918 --> 03:08:51,999
tried to get other bids and went

4576
03:08:51,999 --> 03:08:53,999
to a different vendor. We have

4577
03:08:53,999 --> 03:08:56,918
a couple now that we use for

4578
03:08:56,918 --> 03:08:59,918
purchasing t-shirts or if the

4579
03:09:05,334 --> 03:09:06,876
staff needs a jacket or anything

4580
03:09:06,876 --> 03:09:08,417
like that that we try not to buy

4581
03:09:08,417 --> 03:09:10,501
too much of, but if we do need

4582
03:09:10,501 --> 03:09:11,999
to. So I do that I is in the

4583
03:09:11,999 --> 03:09:13,876
realm of how did this vendor

4584
03:09:13,876 --> 03:09:17,476
become like the vendor for the

4585
03:09:17,542 --> 03:09:20,459
board? I think moving forward

4586
03:09:20,459 --> 03:09:22,876
may be what we might want to do

4587
03:09:22,876 --> 03:09:24,999
is make sure -- and I do think

4588
03:09:24,999 --> 03:09:27,918
the -- some of the procedures

4589
03:09:27,918 --> 03:09:28,999
and protocols that we've put

4590
03:09:28,999 --> 03:09:30,999
into place over the last two

4591
03:09:30,999 --> 03:09:33,250
years will probably eliminate

4592
03:09:33,250 --> 03:09:34,830
that from happening in the

4593
03:09:34,830 --> 03:09:37,683
future. But just in case we

4594
03:09:39,667 --> 03:09:40,999
should probably have -- we

4595
03:09:40,999 --> 03:09:42,459
should probably have like a list

4596
03:09:42,459 --> 03:09:45,417
of approved vetted, you know,

4597
03:09:45,417 --> 03:09:47,817
competitively bid vendors that

4598
03:09:49,792 --> 03:09:52,420
the board office can choose

4599
03:09:52,420 --> 03:09:53,420
from, and that anybody that

4600
03:09:53,420 --> 03:09:54,709
wants to be added to that list

4601
03:09:54,709 --> 03:09:56,250
should have to go through the

4602
03:09:56,250 --> 03:09:59,158
same protocol and process. It

4603
03:09:59,158 --> 03:09:59,642
shouldn't be just like here's

4604
03:09:59,642 --> 03:10:01,750
the vendor for the board,

4605
03:10:01,750 --> 03:10:03,191
especially for people coming in.

4606
03:10:03,191 --> 03:10:04,840
we don't know anything. We all

4607
03:10:04,840 --> 03:10:06,200
know a lot more now than I ever

4608
03:10:06,200 --> 03:10:08,850
knew when I first got here. As

4609
03:10:08,850 --> 03:10:11,915
the 360 clinic, I also think we

4610
03:10:11,915 --> 03:10:12,584
should still consider looking

4611
03:10:12,584 --> 03:10:15,667
into this. And I'll say this, I

4612
03:10:15,667 --> 03:10:16,999
had been hearing about this in

4613
03:10:16,999 --> 03:10:18,751
the community, actually,

4614
03:10:18,751 --> 03:10:20,420
supervisor nguyen, then senator

4615
03:10:20,420 --> 03:10:22,417
nguyen and I spoke about this in

4616
03:10:22,417 --> 03:10:26,170
2022. And I spoke to the then

4617
03:10:26,209 --> 03:10:29,417
ceo about it. I spoke to the

4618
03:10:29,417 --> 03:10:31,626
then healthcare agency director

4619
03:10:31,626 --> 03:10:35,226
about it, and was basically told

4620
03:10:35,709 --> 03:10:38,709
there's nothing to see here,

4621
03:10:39,125 --> 03:10:42,420
right. And then in january of

4622
03:10:42,420 --> 03:10:44,999
2025, I brought this up again

4623
03:10:44,999 --> 03:10:47,250
because there was some news that

4624
03:10:47,250 --> 03:10:49,650
came out regarding this

4625
03:10:49,751 --> 03:10:51,334
particular business entity.

4626
03:10:51,334 --> 03:10:54,125
and, again, there was nothing to

4627
03:10:54,125 --> 03:10:57,334
see here. So at some point

4628
03:10:57,334 --> 03:10:59,000
we've got to figure out why we

4629
03:10:59,000 --> 03:11:02,000
don't see what's actually there.

4630
03:11:02,918 --> 03:11:04,420
and so I'm not sure how to fix

4631
03:11:04,420 --> 03:11:07,542
that, but this forensic you ad

4632
03:11:07,542 --> 03:11:09,626
thought we've done now reveals

4633
03:11:09,626 --> 03:11:10,459
there is something to see and

4634
03:11:10,459 --> 03:11:11,999
maybe we should have seen it

4635
03:11:11,999 --> 03:11:12,959
sooner. And so that's something

4636
03:11:12,959 --> 03:11:16,559
that we should look into. And

4637
03:11:16,751 --> 03:11:20,417
that goes to the issue also of,

4638
03:11:20,417 --> 03:11:23,417
during this time period, 2021 to

4639
03:11:24,999 --> 03:11:26,999
2022/23 time period, multiple

4640
03:11:31,209 --> 03:11:32,876
city managers, multiple

4641
03:11:32,876 --> 03:11:34,876
community leaders, staff,

4642
03:11:36,417 --> 03:11:38,417
nonprofit executives would

4643
03:11:38,751 --> 03:11:41,751
contact me and complain about

4644
03:11:41,834 --> 03:11:44,209
what they were concerned were

4645
03:11:44,209 --> 03:11:45,918
maybe unethical dealings.

4646
03:11:45,918 --> 03:11:47,417
that's all we thought it was at

4647
03:11:47,417 --> 03:11:48,999
that time. Maybe unethical, not

4648
03:11:48,999 --> 03:11:50,501
necessarily realizing it rises

4649
03:11:50,501 --> 03:11:53,417
to the level of criminal

4650
03:11:53,417 --> 03:11:57,170
violations. And so we did not

4651
03:11:58,500 --> 03:12:01,606
have a good -- since we had the

4652
03:12:01,606 --> 03:12:03,631
fraud hotline people could call.

4653
03:12:03,631 --> 03:12:06,283
but it didn't seem to work.

4654
03:12:06,283 --> 03:12:09,883
we -- people would elevate their

4655
03:12:09,932 --> 03:12:11,721
complaint through the chain of

4656
03:12:11,721 --> 03:12:13,789
command. It didn't seem to

4657
03:12:13,789 --> 03:12:16,897
work. So what's to say that all

4658
03:12:16,897 --> 03:12:17,999
these new protocols that we have

4659
03:12:17,999 --> 03:12:21,209
to now will work? What is it

4660
03:12:21,209 --> 03:12:22,709
that will make them work?

4661
03:12:22,709 --> 03:12:25,542
because when you have somebody

4662
03:12:25,542 --> 03:12:26,417
who is the head of a nonprofit

4663
03:12:26,417 --> 03:12:28,792
calling a county supervisor,

4664
03:12:28,792 --> 03:12:30,334
crying on the phone, concerned

4665
03:12:30,334 --> 03:12:32,876
that she's going to be in

4666
03:12:32,876 --> 03:12:34,999
violation of law somehow by

4667
03:12:34,999 --> 03:12:36,375
following a director of another

4668
03:12:36,375 --> 03:12:38,775
county supervisor and there's

4669
03:12:40,125 --> 03:12:41,542
nothing we can do about it, I

4670
03:12:41,542 --> 03:12:43,209
mean, what else do we need to do

4671
03:12:43,209 --> 03:12:47,409
to make sure that when a county

4672
03:12:47,999 --> 03:12:49,999
staff member or a community

4673
03:12:49,999 --> 03:12:51,959
member or a contractor of the

4674
03:12:51,959 --> 03:12:54,359
county makes an official

4675
03:12:54,918 --> 03:12:57,918
complaint, that it actually gets

4676
03:12:57,999 --> 03:13:00,399
investigated by an objective

4677
03:13:01,792 --> 03:13:02,459
third party?

4678
03:13:02,459 --> 03:13:05,459
I think that's where there

4679
03:13:06,999 --> 03:13:08,375
wasn't that happening then. And

4680
03:13:08,375 --> 03:13:10,420
the fact that you're an

4681
03:13:10,420 --> 03:13:11,709
objective third party, so you're

4682
03:13:11,709 --> 03:13:13,999
not -- you're just looking at

4683
03:13:13,999 --> 03:13:15,459
everything objectively, and now

4684
03:13:15,459 --> 03:13:16,999
we're discovering things that

4685
03:13:16,999 --> 03:13:17,999
probably we all thought were

4686
03:13:17,999 --> 03:13:19,999
there but we didn't have any

4687
03:13:19,999 --> 03:13:21,792
proof. So I don't know if you

4688
03:13:21,792 --> 03:13:23,209
could answer that question, and

4689
03:13:23,209 --> 03:13:24,584
then I have another question.

4690
03:13:24,584 --> 03:13:25,417
>>speaker: I think there's a few

4691
03:13:25,417 --> 03:13:26,292
things as far as the

4692
03:13:26,292 --> 03:13:28,375
effectiveness of a fraud hotline

4693
03:13:28,375 --> 03:13:31,417
go, and some of it comes down to

4694
03:13:31,417 --> 03:13:32,417
resources. Some of it comes

4695
03:13:32,417 --> 03:13:36,170
down to the structure and making

4696
03:13:36,999 --> 03:13:38,334
sure there's clear protocols.

4697
03:13:38,334 --> 03:13:41,334
so if an hr-related allegation

4698
03:13:42,830 --> 03:13:43,830
comes in that it's not

4699
03:13:43,830 --> 03:13:46,830
investigated by somebody who is

4700
03:13:46,167 --> 03:13:48,667
the -- in hr that is the

4701
03:13:48,667 --> 03:13:49,999
supervisor of that particular

4702
03:13:49,999 --> 03:13:51,751
group, you know, making sure

4703
03:13:51,751 --> 03:13:53,167
there's -- based on the nature

4704
03:13:53,167 --> 03:13:55,292
of the allegation, who is going

4705
03:13:55,292 --> 03:13:56,999
to be the lead on investigating

4706
03:13:56,999 --> 03:13:59,999
it, there needs to be awareness

4707
03:13:59,999 --> 03:14:01,542
as far as what information is

4708
03:14:01,542 --> 03:14:03,999
going to be required to be

4709
03:14:03,999 --> 03:14:05,459
submitted and collected so that

4710
03:14:05,459 --> 03:14:07,876
there is sufficient -- I think a

4711
03:14:07,876 --> 03:14:09,125
lot of times what we see is the

4712
03:14:09,125 --> 03:14:10,792
people who are investigating the

4713
03:14:10,792 --> 03:14:13,551
information from a hotline, they

4714
03:14:13,551 --> 03:14:14,700
don't have enough information

4715
03:14:14,700 --> 03:14:16,724
submitted, and the person is not

4716
03:14:16,724 --> 03:14:18,333
providing their contact

4717
03:14:18,333 --> 03:14:19,401
information to speak to them,

4718
03:14:19,401 --> 03:14:20,968
and so they don't have anyway of

4719
03:14:20,968 --> 03:14:21,816
getting in touch with them, and

4720
03:14:21,816 --> 03:14:23,333
they have nothing else to go on,

4721
03:14:23,333 --> 03:14:24,316
and then that becomes an

4722
03:14:24,316 --> 03:14:26,316
unsubstantiated, you know,

4723
03:14:26,675 --> 03:14:27,991
claim. So I think there's a few

4724
03:14:27,991 --> 03:14:29,808
things that could make it more

4725
03:14:29,808 --> 03:14:32,122
effective. But, you know, I

4726
03:14:32,122 --> 03:14:33,309
think it has to be something

4727
03:14:33,309 --> 03:14:35,178
that is a focus point for

4728
03:14:35,178 --> 03:14:37,578
making those changes and

4729
03:14:37,579 --> 03:14:39,685
improvements in the hotline

4730
03:14:39,685 --> 03:14:40,545
process.

4731
03:14:40,545 --> 03:14:41,598
>>speaker: so one of the

4732
03:14:41,598 --> 03:14:42,999
complaints that I received

4733
03:14:42,999 --> 03:14:45,810
during this relevant time period

4734
03:14:45,810 --> 03:14:48,208
was that the healthcare agency

4735
03:14:48,208 --> 03:14:50,612
that -- the then healthcare

4736
03:14:50,612 --> 03:14:51,637
agency director was contacting

4737
03:14:51,637 --> 03:14:52,953
the santa ana unified school

4738
03:14:52,953 --> 03:14:55,953
district and requiring that they

4739
03:14:57,754 --> 03:15:00,754
employ 360 clinic instead of the

4740
03:15:02,238 --> 03:15:04,638
even thought had competitively

4741
03:15:04,720 --> 03:15:07,745
bid for that contract or had

4742
03:15:07,745 --> 03:15:09,419
been selected. I'm not too

4743
03:15:09,419 --> 03:15:11,324
informed about the process. But

4744
03:15:11,324 --> 03:15:12,905
the santa ana unified school

4745
03:15:12,905 --> 03:15:14,375
district had picked a different

4746
03:15:14,375 --> 03:15:17,375
vendor, and then the healthcare

4747
03:15:17,584 --> 03:15:19,000
agency director, according to

4748
03:15:19,000 --> 03:15:21,400
this complaint, complained and

4749
03:15:22,751 --> 03:15:24,334
said, no, you have to pick 360

4750
03:15:24,334 --> 03:15:25,999
clinic. Did you investigate

4751
03:15:25,999 --> 03:15:27,417
that issue?

4752
03:15:27,417 --> 03:15:28,999
>>speaker: not specifically. We

4753
03:15:28,999 --> 03:15:31,167
looked at all of the emails

4754
03:15:31,167 --> 03:15:33,417
related to 360 clinic, and I

4755
03:15:33,417 --> 03:15:35,792
think there may have been some

4756
03:15:35,792 --> 03:15:38,192
emails where other entities

4757
03:15:38,999 --> 03:15:40,542
would ask about how it went with

4758
03:15:40,542 --> 03:15:42,830
your covid testing and the

4759
03:15:42,830 --> 03:15:43,459
vendor that you used. But we

4760
03:15:43,459 --> 03:15:45,876
didn't see any emails related

4761
03:15:45,876 --> 03:15:48,876
to, you know, directives or

4762
03:15:48,918 --> 03:15:51,318
advocate for 360 clinic to

4763
03:15:51,876 --> 03:15:52,832
receive a contract at another

4764
03:15:52,832 --> 03:15:53,844
government entity or public

4765
03:15:53,844 --> 03:15:54,879
institution.

4766
03:15:54,879 --> 03:15:55,695
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4767
03:15:55,695 --> 03:15:57,177
so --

4768
03:15:57,177 --> 03:15:57,825
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4769
03:15:57,825 --> 03:15:58,975
so I think this is really

4770
03:15:58,975 --> 03:16:00,833
helpful, and I think we all can

4771
03:16:00,833 --> 03:16:02,526
agree that it was valuable, and

4772
03:16:02,526 --> 03:16:04,217
thank you supervisor sarmiento

4773
03:16:04,217 --> 03:16:04,992
for pushing us to make -- you

4774
03:16:04,992 --> 03:16:07,849
know, do the full audit. In

4775
03:16:07,849 --> 03:16:10,584
2024/25, we, you know, we made a

4776
03:16:10,584 --> 03:16:14,184
lot of reforms here at county.

4777
03:16:14,250 --> 03:16:15,918
you commented on some of those.

4778
03:16:15,918 --> 03:16:18,000
and those are intended to

4779
03:16:18,000 --> 03:16:18,999
improve the procedures, the

4780
03:16:18,999 --> 03:16:21,375
protocols, the transparency, the

4781
03:16:21,375 --> 03:16:23,375
accountability, and oversight.

4782
03:16:24,999 --> 03:16:26,959
we've implemented nearly all of

4783
03:16:26,959 --> 03:16:27,542
your recommendations already,

4784
03:16:27,542 --> 03:16:31,142
which is the good news, right.

4785
03:16:32,167 --> 03:16:33,834
there's a few that we have not

4786
03:16:33,834 --> 03:16:36,834
implemented. And they relate to

4787
03:16:37,626 --> 03:16:41,826
things that -- I'm not sure we

4788
03:16:45,999 --> 03:16:46,999
would know how to implement

4789
03:16:46,999 --> 03:16:48,999
them. Recovery for 360

4790
03:16:50,329 --> 03:16:52,562
unrecoverable claims. I agree

4791
03:16:52,562 --> 03:16:54,962
that we must proceed to do that,

4792
03:16:54,962 --> 03:16:56,404
and I believe that that is a

4793
03:16:56,404 --> 03:16:58,736
litigation effort. I don't know

4794
03:16:58,736 --> 03:17:00,110
how we do it otherwise. But

4795
03:17:00,110 --> 03:17:01,326
hopefully someone will work on

4796
03:17:01,326 --> 03:17:03,726
that. Referral of campaign

4797
03:17:04,351 --> 03:17:05,253
contributions to former

4798
03:17:05,253 --> 03:17:07,653
supervisor do. That is

4799
03:17:09,731 --> 03:17:11,731
something that hopefully

4800
03:17:11,756 --> 03:17:14,655
question direct staff to -- I

4801
03:17:14,655 --> 03:17:15,764
suppose that would be directing

4802
03:17:15,764 --> 03:17:18,206
mr. Page's office to refer that

4803
03:17:18,206 --> 03:17:21,806
to the fppc. And it wouldn't

4804
03:17:21,855 --> 03:17:24,130
just be related to supervisor

4805
03:17:24,130 --> 03:17:26,792
do, because I think the mailer

4806
03:17:26,792 --> 03:17:29,192
that supervisor nguyen was

4807
03:17:31,414 --> 03:17:34,830
holding up -- you said "chief,"

4808
03:17:34,830 --> 03:17:35,584
but I don't think you meant the

4809
03:17:35,584 --> 03:17:38,125
chief we've been talking about.

4810
03:17:38,125 --> 03:17:39,792
>>janet nguyen: yes. He had two

4811
03:17:39,792 --> 03:17:40,999
chief of staff.

4812
03:17:40,999 --> 03:17:41,910
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4813
03:17:41,910 --> 03:17:43,417
so I think that we need to

4814
03:17:43,417 --> 03:17:44,999
address that particular person

4815
03:17:44,999 --> 03:17:47,999
as well. And then you

4816
03:17:47,999 --> 03:17:51,834
indicated -- and then I -- so in

4817
03:17:51,834 --> 03:17:53,999
preparation for today and for

4818
03:17:53,999 --> 03:17:54,830
some other things that I'm

4819
03:17:54,830 --> 03:17:56,334
working on, I went to the county

4820
03:17:56,334 --> 03:17:57,999
website, and I was trying to

4821
03:17:57,999 --> 03:17:59,542
find -- I was trying to pretend

4822
03:17:59,542 --> 03:18:01,830
like I'm a resident or I'm a

4823
03:18:01,830 --> 03:18:02,626
person that doesn't know what I

4824
03:18:02,626 --> 03:18:04,834
know. How I do find this

4825
03:18:04,834 --> 03:18:05,667
information on the coin's web

4826
03:18:05,667 --> 03:18:08,667
night where is the transparency

4827
03:18:09,209 --> 03:18:11,999
portal? How do I see what all

4828
03:18:11,999 --> 03:18:14,250
the board offices have allocated

4829
03:18:14,250 --> 03:18:16,999
in terms of their grants? How

4830
03:18:16,999 --> 03:18:19,292
do I see the contracts? And I

4831
03:18:19,292 --> 03:18:21,959
have to say -- and I don't know

4832
03:18:21,959 --> 03:18:23,959
if you've found in, if you could

4833
03:18:23,959 --> 03:18:25,792
comment on it -- it's very

4834
03:18:25,792 --> 03:18:27,709
difficult. We do not have a

4835
03:18:27,709 --> 03:18:30,417
good website that is current

4836
03:18:30,417 --> 03:18:32,250
that allows everything to be

4837
03:18:32,250 --> 03:18:35,250
centered into one location. And

4838
03:18:35,709 --> 03:18:38,792
if it's there, it's not easily

4839
03:18:38,792 --> 03:18:41,459
found. So you can comment on

4840
03:18:41,459 --> 03:18:42,999
that? Did you discover that as

4841
03:18:42,999 --> 03:18:43,999
well?

4842
03:18:43,999 --> 03:18:45,626
>>speaker: yeah. And we -- I

4843
03:18:45,626 --> 03:18:46,999
think I know what you're

4844
03:18:46,999 --> 03:18:48,459
referring to. There's the

4845
03:18:48,459 --> 03:18:49,542
transparency section that has

4846
03:18:49,542 --> 03:18:50,959
some of the district

4847
03:18:50,959 --> 03:18:53,359
discretionary funds. You know,

4848
03:18:54,751 --> 03:18:55,999
I think generally speaking as

4849
03:18:55,999 --> 03:18:57,167
far as navigating to certain

4850
03:18:57,167 --> 03:18:59,501
documents, we've found that

4851
03:18:59,501 --> 03:19:00,792
sometimes we would just start

4852
03:19:00,792 --> 03:19:01,918
with -- you could do a search

4853
03:19:01,918 --> 03:19:03,999
and get to it, but navigating

4854
03:19:03,999 --> 03:19:05,667
within the website was, you

4855
03:19:05,667 --> 03:19:07,918
know, not intuitive necessarily.

4856
03:19:07,918 --> 03:19:08,459
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.

4857
03:19:08,459 --> 03:19:09,999
so part of what I would

4858
03:19:09,999 --> 03:19:11,959
recommend for today is that we

4859
03:19:11,959 --> 03:19:14,359
have whomever's responsible for

4860
03:19:15,209 --> 03:19:16,334
our website create a

4861
03:19:16,334 --> 03:19:19,334
transparency page that is more

4862
03:19:20,959 --> 03:19:23,959
easily navigatable, I guess, and

4863
03:19:25,417 --> 03:19:26,999
more intuitive. And then we

4864
03:19:26,999 --> 03:19:29,999
also may want to consider

4865
03:19:30,999 --> 03:19:32,292
requiring that the board use the

4866
03:19:32,292 --> 03:19:35,292
in-house print shop instead of

4867
03:19:36,999 --> 03:19:38,999
outsource printing, unless

4868
03:19:39,000 --> 03:19:41,375
approved by the board, because I

4869
03:19:41,375 --> 03:19:42,209
don't really see why we need to

4870
03:19:42,209 --> 03:19:43,999
go outside of the in-house print

4871
03:19:43,999 --> 03:19:45,584
shop. It's actually less

4872
03:19:45,584 --> 03:19:46,999
expensive in normal

4873
03:19:46,999 --> 03:19:48,999
circumstances. And it's our

4874
03:19:48,999 --> 03:19:52,000
staff, and they do a good job.

4875
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:53,999
so I'm not sure why we wouldn't

4876
03:19:53,999 --> 03:19:56,999
to require that unless it's

4877
03:19:57,751 --> 03:20:00,834
approved by the board. And I

4878
03:20:00,834 --> 03:20:02,250
had a question about a word you

4879
03:20:02,250 --> 03:20:04,751
used. You talked about the word

4880
03:20:04,751 --> 03:20:07,151
"constituents" being a campaign

4881
03:20:09,999 --> 03:20:12,420
word, which that was a surprise

4882
03:20:12,420 --> 03:20:12,999
me because I wouldn't have

4883
03:20:12,999 --> 03:20:14,542
considered constituent its

4884
03:20:14,542 --> 03:20:17,375
related to a campaign --

4885
03:20:17,375 --> 03:20:17,626
constituents related to a

4886
03:20:17,626 --> 03:20:19,999
campaign. When I use the word

4887
03:20:19,999 --> 03:20:22,399
"constituents," it's because I

4888
03:20:22,417 --> 03:20:23,501
want to include businesses and

4889
03:20:23,501 --> 03:20:25,209
residents, and I want it to be

4890
03:20:25,209 --> 03:20:27,584
one word instead of two or

4891
03:20:27,584 --> 03:20:29,792
three. And so I'm not sure why

4892
03:20:29,792 --> 03:20:31,999
that word -- I hope we don't

4893
03:20:31,999 --> 03:20:33,459
adopt that word as a word

4894
03:20:33,459 --> 03:20:35,292
that -- like a campaign word

4895
03:20:35,292 --> 03:20:37,250
because I don't think that --

4896
03:20:37,250 --> 03:20:38,375
I'm not sure about the rest of

4897
03:20:38,375 --> 03:20:40,584
you, but I don't think of

4898
03:20:40,584 --> 03:20:41,876
"constituents" as necessarily

4899
03:20:41,876 --> 03:20:43,542
related to a campaign. That's

4900
03:20:43,542 --> 03:20:45,209
just a shorter way of saying

4901
03:20:45,209 --> 03:20:46,751
residents, businesses,

4902
03:20:46,751 --> 03:20:48,876
nonprofits, all of the people

4903
03:20:48,876 --> 03:20:51,375
and entities that we represent.

4904
03:20:51,375 --> 03:20:53,751
>>speaker: yeah. I think it's

4905
03:20:53,751 --> 03:20:56,751
probably -- yeah, semantics. I

4906
03:20:57,999 --> 03:20:59,999
see your point, and I think what

4907
03:20:59,999 --> 03:21:01,334
we were trying to distinguish is

4908
03:21:01,334 --> 03:21:02,709
that there that have been a

4909
03:21:02,709 --> 03:21:05,830
connotation -- and if there

4910
03:21:05,830 --> 03:21:07,334
is -- there is some definitions

4911
03:21:07,334 --> 03:21:08,209
that include a voting member of

4912
03:21:08,209 --> 03:21:11,209
a constituent for a constituent

4913
03:21:11,959 --> 03:21:12,918
which is slightly different than

4914
03:21:12,918 --> 03:21:15,420
if you were to say a citizen or

4915
03:21:15,420 --> 03:21:17,417
community member. But it is

4916
03:21:17,417 --> 03:21:18,999
more of a connotation and I

4917
03:21:18,999 --> 03:21:21,918
think we were really describing

4918
03:21:21,918 --> 03:21:24,959
it as this festival and the

4919
03:21:24,959 --> 03:21:27,830
mailers to constituents, you

4920
03:21:27,830 --> 03:21:28,876
know, coupled with that there

4921
03:21:28,876 --> 03:21:31,876
was former supervisor do's logo

4922
03:21:32,834 --> 03:21:34,250
on the backdrop everything on

4923
03:21:34,250 --> 03:21:37,250
the festival screens, that those

4924
03:21:39,420 --> 03:21:41,442
festivals to some capacity

4925
03:21:42,417 --> 03:21:45,417
served as campaign events in

4926
03:21:45,459 --> 03:21:47,442
addition to community events.

4927
03:21:47,442 --> 03:21:48,239
that was a long answering.

4928
03:21:48,239 --> 03:21:49,570
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: but

4929
03:21:49,570 --> 03:21:49,749
that wouldn't have to go through

4930
03:21:49,749 --> 03:21:51,482
legal to get approved? I mean,

4931
03:21:51,482 --> 03:21:52,882
we go through legal to get

4932
03:21:52,882 --> 03:21:53,669
approved for everything, and the

4933
03:21:53,669 --> 03:21:55,321
logos for all of us are on

4934
03:21:55,321 --> 03:21:56,887
everything. So we would -- but

4935
03:21:56,887 --> 03:21:58,621
from our office standpoint, I

4936
03:21:58,621 --> 03:22:00,769
can only speak for us, we don't

4937
03:22:00,769 --> 03:22:02,421
send anything out without

4938
03:22:02,421 --> 03:22:05,529
getting it signed off on by

4939
03:22:05,529 --> 03:22:06,137
james harman. And sometimes

4940
03:22:06,137 --> 03:22:08,537
it's different -- 10 different

4941
03:22:09,999 --> 03:22:10,876
back and forth drafts saying if

4942
03:22:10,876 --> 03:22:12,999
you say d5, that's actually my

4943
03:22:12,999 --> 03:22:14,999
name. It's not always

4944
03:22:14,999 --> 03:22:17,999
intuitive, right. So I guess

4945
03:22:20,959 --> 03:22:24,420
the law has rules that govern

4946
03:22:24,420 --> 03:22:26,167
what is allowed by the

4947
03:22:26,167 --> 03:22:28,501
supervisors. So I wouldn't want

4948
03:22:28,501 --> 03:22:31,501
us to characterize something as

4949
03:22:31,876 --> 03:22:33,999
campaign related if it's legal

4950
03:22:33,999 --> 03:22:36,375
under our laws. Does that make

4951
03:22:36,375 --> 03:22:36,999
sense?

4952
03:22:36,999 --> 03:22:37,999
>>speaker: understood, yeah.

4953
03:22:37,999 --> 03:22:39,167
and we did see situation where

4954
03:22:39,167 --> 03:22:41,542
is mailers and logos were

4955
03:22:41,542 --> 03:22:43,942
approved through counsel. I

4956
03:22:45,417 --> 03:22:48,667
don't know if the -- every logo

4957
03:22:48,667 --> 03:22:50,792
that was displayed, you know, on

4958
03:22:50,792 --> 03:22:52,584
the festivals was necessarily

4959
03:22:52,584 --> 03:22:54,834
approved or not. I couldn't

4960
03:22:54,834 --> 03:22:56,999
speak to that. But, yeah, your

4961
03:22:56,999 --> 03:22:58,584
point is taken though with the

4962
03:22:58,584 --> 03:23:00,999
use of the word "constituent."

4963
03:23:00,999 --> 03:23:01,542
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'm

4964
03:23:01,542 --> 03:23:02,542
mostly concerned about the fact

4965
03:23:02,542 --> 03:23:04,751
that money was being funneled to

4966
03:23:04,751 --> 03:23:07,151
a particular organization that's

4967
03:23:07,167 --> 03:23:09,567
a business entity, that's

4968
03:23:09,999 --> 03:23:11,918
collecting money and people are

4969
03:23:11,918 --> 03:23:12,999
getting charged, and it's

4970
03:23:12,999 --> 03:23:14,876
collecting money, and then

4971
03:23:14,876 --> 03:23:16,000
they're getting percentages on

4972
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:17,918
the back of the house that's not

4973
03:23:17,918 --> 03:23:20,918
transparent and that's going to

4974
03:23:20,999 --> 03:23:22,167
family members and friends, and

4975
03:23:22,167 --> 03:23:24,501
we don't have any record of it,

4976
03:23:24,501 --> 03:23:25,459
right. That I think is the

4977
03:23:25,459 --> 03:23:28,459
bigger concern from -- in

4978
03:23:28,999 --> 03:23:30,125
reviewing your information. So

4979
03:23:30,125 --> 03:23:32,501
I thank you for identifying

4980
03:23:32,501 --> 03:23:36,101
those issues and, yeah, it's odd

4981
03:23:36,167 --> 03:23:39,830
to me that a entity would be

4982
03:23:39,830 --> 03:23:42,830
collecting money. And it's an

4983
03:23:42,334 --> 03:23:44,667
llc. It wasn't even a

4984
03:23:44,667 --> 03:23:46,830
nonprofit -- but collecting

4985
03:23:46,830 --> 03:23:48,483
money from different sponsors

4986
03:23:49,834 --> 03:23:51,375
including other government

4987
03:23:51,375 --> 03:23:53,876
agencies to fund something, and

4988
03:23:53,876 --> 03:23:55,292
then getting a commission on

4989
03:23:55,292 --> 03:23:57,626
that. That's very strange. And

4990
03:23:57,626 --> 03:23:59,999
that shouldn't happen. Okay.

4991
03:23:59,999 --> 03:24:01,334
that's pretty much all I had. I

4992
03:24:01,334 --> 03:24:02,999
do think that some of these

4993
03:24:02,999 --> 03:24:06,599
items have been addressed by us,

4994
03:24:08,167 --> 03:24:12,367
and I am grateful that we did

4995
03:24:13,876 --> 03:24:17,792
the deep dive and we now have

4996
03:24:17,792 --> 03:24:19,999
other, I think, reforms that we

4997
03:24:19,999 --> 03:24:21,459
might want to implement. So

4998
03:24:21,459 --> 03:24:22,576
thank you.

4999
03:24:22,576 --> 03:24:22,999
>>chair, doug chaffee:

5000
03:24:22,999 --> 03:24:24,999
supervisor sarmiento.

5001
03:24:25,999 --> 03:24:26,918
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank

5002
03:24:26,918 --> 03:24:30,518
you, mr. Chair. , and thank you

5003
03:24:30,542 --> 03:24:32,375
travis for the presentation of

5004
03:24:32,375 --> 03:24:35,294
the power point. And aggie,

5005
03:24:35,294 --> 03:24:35,999
thank you for having your team

5006
03:24:35,999 --> 03:24:38,125
follow up on this. I know we

5007
03:24:38,125 --> 03:24:38,959
started this discussion early on

5008
03:24:38,959 --> 03:24:39,918
and we debated whether or not

5009
03:24:39,918 --> 03:24:42,209
the investment was worth, you

5010
03:24:42,209 --> 03:24:45,000
know, the product, work product

5011
03:24:45,000 --> 03:24:46,542
that we're seeing here today. I

5012
03:24:46,542 --> 03:24:48,420
think it was. I think in the

5013
03:24:48,420 --> 03:24:49,584
end we'll be better for it

5014
03:24:49,584 --> 03:24:51,542
because of what's been

5015
03:24:51,542 --> 03:24:54,501
implemented, what we maybe can

5016
03:24:54,501 --> 03:24:55,999
continue to work on. So I

5017
03:24:55,999 --> 03:24:58,000
certainly believe there's value

5018
03:24:58,000 --> 03:24:58,959
here in what was done. And I

5019
03:24:58,959 --> 03:25:00,417
want to compliment you on your

5020
03:25:00,417 --> 03:25:02,751
work and the weaver team on

5021
03:25:02,751 --> 03:25:04,999
doing that. Obviously, we've

5022
03:25:04,999 --> 03:25:06,542
lived with this a little bit

5023
03:25:06,542 --> 03:25:07,375
longer here on this board

5024
03:25:07,375 --> 03:25:10,334
because we've seen it even those

5025
03:25:10,334 --> 03:25:11,000
supervisor that saw it from the

5026
03:25:11,000 --> 03:25:12,999
time the pandemic was here and

5027
03:25:12,999 --> 03:25:14,501
these sort of unique set of

5028
03:25:14,501 --> 03:25:16,901
circumstances that may be

5029
03:25:18,834 --> 03:25:20,501
allowed for facilitating the

5030
03:25:20,501 --> 03:25:23,459
movement of money without the

5031
03:25:23,459 --> 03:25:26,459
normal oversight. I know to

5032
03:25:28,999 --> 03:25:30,209
supervisor nguyen's point, I

5033
03:25:30,209 --> 03:25:31,459
know she's lived with it for a

5034
03:25:31,459 --> 03:25:34,000
shorter time here. She's lived

5035
03:25:34,000 --> 03:25:34,999
with it in the community seeing

5036
03:25:34,999 --> 03:25:36,250
the impact and consequences of

5037
03:25:36,250 --> 03:25:38,420
it. So I certainly want to make

5038
03:25:38,420 --> 03:25:39,834
sure she has an ample amount of

5039
03:25:39,834 --> 03:25:41,417
time, but a lot of what was said

5040
03:25:41,417 --> 03:25:43,459
regarding just the scope of what

5041
03:25:43,459 --> 03:25:45,876
you're looking at, not just in

5042
03:25:45,876 --> 03:25:48,918
the disburse phase but in the

5043
03:25:48,918 --> 03:25:50,250
subsequent phases really

5044
03:25:50,250 --> 03:25:51,209
important. And I think when we

5045
03:25:51,209 --> 03:25:52,876
talk about terminology, you

5046
03:25:52,876 --> 03:25:54,999
know, what I'm really impressed

5047
03:25:54,999 --> 03:25:56,667
with you reciting in your report

5048
03:25:56,667 --> 03:25:59,417
and in the audit were terms like

5049
03:25:59,417 --> 03:26:02,417
a culture, influence. And I

5050
03:26:04,830 --> 03:26:04,999
assume you're talking about

5051
03:26:04,999 --> 03:26:07,399
undue influence, obfuscate and

5052
03:26:09,792 --> 03:26:11,751
steering of funds in one

5053
03:26:11,751 --> 03:26:13,209
direction or another. So those

5054
03:26:13,209 --> 03:26:15,542
are really elusive things to

5055
03:26:15,542 --> 03:26:17,830
find, but I do think we needed

5056
03:26:17,830 --> 03:26:20,830
somebody who was sort of

5057
03:26:22,709 --> 03:26:24,999
external, objective, away from

5058
03:26:24,999 --> 03:26:27,420
what we were seeing to look at

5059
03:26:27,420 --> 03:26:29,292
this and take a very close soft

5060
03:26:29,292 --> 03:26:31,918
forensic view of this. So I

5061
03:26:31,918 --> 03:26:33,999
certainly appreciate that, and I

5062
03:26:33,999 --> 03:26:36,000
do appreciate the ceo and her

5063
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:37,959
staff and aggie's team looking

5064
03:26:37,959 --> 03:26:40,420
at some of what's already been

5065
03:26:40,420 --> 03:26:42,417
implemented. I think we've gone

5066
03:26:42,417 --> 03:26:44,125
a long way in talking about sole

5067
03:26:44,125 --> 03:26:46,459
sourcing, improving on that

5068
03:26:46,459 --> 03:26:48,459
familiar relationships and

5069
03:26:49,417 --> 03:26:52,375
having work and contracts sent

5070
03:26:52,375 --> 03:26:54,999
to them. So those are some easy

5071
03:26:54,999 --> 03:26:56,167
things that can be done, and

5072
03:26:56,167 --> 03:26:57,999
they're not -- you know, this is

5073
03:26:57,999 --> 03:26:59,999
more intuitive, standardizing

5074
03:27:00,209 --> 03:27:02,609
invoicing requirements. I think

5075
03:27:03,167 --> 03:27:04,542
standardizing monitoring when it

5076
03:27:04,542 --> 03:27:06,417
comes to federal contracts,

5077
03:27:06,417 --> 03:27:07,792
doing additional training are

5078
03:27:07,792 --> 03:27:09,209
those are not difficult to

5079
03:27:09,209 --> 03:27:10,999
implement. I think what's

5080
03:27:10,999 --> 03:27:12,999
difficult is going back to this

5081
03:27:12,999 --> 03:27:14,999
culture that's referenced

5082
03:27:15,375 --> 03:27:16,999
throughout the audit, and I

5083
03:27:16,999 --> 03:27:18,709
don't want to pick on this

5084
03:27:18,709 --> 03:27:20,250
county because we saw it, and I

5085
03:27:20,250 --> 03:27:23,850
served -- everybody up here has

5086
03:27:25,292 --> 03:27:26,417
served on other public agencies

5087
03:27:26,417 --> 03:27:27,834
where you see the same

5088
03:27:27,834 --> 03:27:29,375
systematic structural problem,

5089
03:27:29,375 --> 03:27:31,775
right, where the elected

5090
03:27:32,999 --> 03:27:35,399
officials have tremendous power,

5091
03:27:35,999 --> 03:27:38,584
right. Some exert it in a very

5092
03:27:38,584 --> 03:27:40,000
positive way, some exert it

5093
03:27:40,000 --> 03:27:42,250
obviously in ways that can be

5094
03:27:42,250 --> 03:27:44,459
criminal, and we saw that not

5095
03:27:44,459 --> 03:27:45,417
just here, but we saw it in one

5096
03:27:45,417 --> 03:27:48,250
of our cities in anaheim when

5097
03:27:48,250 --> 03:27:50,918
the mayor used his influence to

5098
03:27:50,918 --> 03:27:52,334
conduct himself in a corrupt and

5099
03:27:52,334 --> 03:27:54,417
criminal way. And I've seen it

5100
03:27:54,417 --> 03:27:55,417
throughout my career as an

5101
03:27:55,417 --> 03:27:57,817
elected official, and those

5102
03:27:58,334 --> 03:27:59,334
folks were just not caught.

5103
03:27:59,334 --> 03:28:00,999
they were just more clever.

5104
03:28:00,999 --> 03:28:03,830
they didn't leave the footprint

5105
03:28:03,830 --> 03:28:04,375
that was left here. So I know

5106
03:28:04,375 --> 03:28:06,709
that when I talk I hope I'm not

5107
03:28:06,709 --> 03:28:09,250
being overly critical of the

5108
03:28:09,250 --> 03:28:11,626
county of orange. I just think

5109
03:28:11,626 --> 03:28:13,584
government has this problem

5110
03:28:13,584 --> 03:28:17,784
where, you know, we have a very

5111
03:28:18,999 --> 03:28:22,000
strong and balanced when we have

5112
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:22,959
an elected official speaking to

5113
03:28:22,959 --> 03:28:23,834
a department manager, an

5114
03:28:23,834 --> 03:28:25,375
executive or even a mid-level

5115
03:28:25,375 --> 03:28:26,999
manager. And sometimes it

5116
03:28:26,999 --> 03:28:29,999
becomes very difficult to, you

5117
03:28:30,501 --> 03:28:31,667
know, balance that, right, and

5118
03:28:31,667 --> 03:28:34,999
make sure that, you know, that

5119
03:28:34,999 --> 03:28:36,542
staff person knows that they

5120
03:28:36,542 --> 03:28:38,125
have rights. And I think to the

5121
03:28:38,125 --> 03:28:39,830
point that was made, how do we,

5122
03:28:39,830 --> 03:28:42,167
you know, create a good fraud

5123
03:28:42,167 --> 03:28:43,709
hotline, whistle-blower

5124
03:28:43,709 --> 03:28:45,999
protection where people feel

5125
03:28:45,999 --> 03:28:47,751
that they're -- that their

5126
03:28:47,751 --> 03:28:48,292
confidentiality will be

5127
03:28:48,292 --> 03:28:50,417
protected. Because that really

5128
03:28:50,417 --> 03:28:51,999
is the only layer of protection

5129
03:28:51,999 --> 03:28:55,167
that we have to be able to find

5130
03:28:55,167 --> 03:28:56,709
some of these things that you

5131
03:28:56,709 --> 03:28:57,542
were looking for. And I want to

5132
03:28:57,542 --> 03:28:58,999
draw your attention to something

5133
03:28:58,999 --> 03:29:01,999
that wasn't mentioned in your

5134
03:29:07,459 --> 03:29:11,417
audit and I saw an occr exchange

5135
03:29:11,417 --> 03:29:13,959
and it was a low-level manager

5136
03:29:13,959 --> 03:29:15,751
or a mid-level manager saying,

5137
03:29:15,751 --> 03:29:16,876
when we were talking about this,

5138
03:29:16,876 --> 03:29:19,667
they said I went to go visit the

5139
03:29:19,667 --> 03:29:20,792
address that was listed on the

5140
03:29:20,792 --> 03:29:23,192
warner wellness viet america

5141
03:29:23,709 --> 03:29:24,999
society offices.

5142
03:29:24,999 --> 03:29:25,999
and they said there's nobody

5143
03:29:25,999 --> 03:29:28,999
there. It's vacant. And this

5144
03:29:30,934 --> 03:29:31,792
is when the discussion was on

5145
03:29:31,792 --> 03:29:32,999
the compliance side, is there

5146
03:29:32,999 --> 03:29:34,709
someone we can speak to from the

5147
03:29:34,709 --> 03:29:37,709
viet america society and warner

5148
03:29:38,459 --> 03:29:39,999
wellness to be able to verify

5149
03:29:39,999 --> 03:29:41,292
whether these meals were

5150
03:29:41,292 --> 03:29:42,999
actually generated and sent and

5151
03:29:42,999 --> 03:29:43,959
received by the seniors in that

5152
03:29:43,959 --> 03:29:45,999
district. Once that email was

5153
03:29:45,999 --> 03:29:48,999
sent, it kind of was

5154
03:29:52,875 --> 03:29:54,417
unresponsive -- or

5155
03:29:54,417 --> 03:29:56,709
under-responded to. I remember

5156
03:29:56,709 --> 03:29:57,834
the former ceo came into my

5157
03:29:57,834 --> 03:29:59,751
office because I asked him to,

5158
03:29:59,751 --> 03:30:01,209
and I said, can you explain what

5159
03:30:01,209 --> 03:30:02,334
happened with this request or

5160
03:30:02,334 --> 03:30:05,934
with this inquiry that was made?

5161
03:30:07,994 --> 03:30:09,167
because that was the first

5162
03:30:09,167 --> 03:30:11,417
indication that I saw in writing

5163
03:30:11,417 --> 03:30:13,312
that somebody was asking the

5164
03:30:13,312 --> 03:30:15,980
question, you know, was there

5165
03:30:15,980 --> 03:30:17,498
compliance with this contract?

5166
03:30:18,999 --> 03:30:21,125
and I remembered the response,

5167
03:30:21,125 --> 03:30:23,525
you know, graphically, which

5168
03:30:23,999 --> 03:30:27,599
was, well, I checked with the

5169
03:30:27,999 --> 03:30:29,626
supervisor's chief of staff, and

5170
03:30:29,626 --> 03:30:31,584
he said that it was. That was

5171
03:30:31,584 --> 03:30:34,499
the response. That was the

5172
03:30:34,499 --> 03:30:37,499
verification. I'm not here to

5173
03:30:39,330 --> 03:30:41,817
throw anybody under the bus but

5174
03:30:41,817 --> 03:30:45,420
I think the point that's being

5175
03:30:45,420 --> 03:30:47,584
made is maybe that people didn't

5176
03:30:47,584 --> 03:30:48,959
work in concert but there were

5177
03:30:48,959 --> 03:30:50,501
people that were trying to draw

5178
03:30:50,501 --> 03:30:51,999
attention to this, and those in

5179
03:30:51,999 --> 03:30:53,751
positions of more executive

5180
03:30:53,751 --> 03:30:55,751
authority disregarded those,

5181
03:30:58,834 --> 03:31:00,918
ignored those, didn't pay

5182
03:31:00,918 --> 03:31:02,584
attention maybe because of that

5183
03:31:02,584 --> 03:31:03,999
same fear and intimidation

5184
03:31:03,999 --> 03:31:05,667
you're referencing in the audit,

5185
03:31:05,667 --> 03:31:08,459
that supervisor do and his chief

5186
03:31:08,459 --> 03:31:09,999
of staff exerted. But that is a

5187
03:31:09,999 --> 03:31:12,999
fatal flaw in government. I

5188
03:31:14,229 --> 03:31:16,543
think what's been said here

5189
03:31:16,543 --> 03:31:18,275
before is you can't legislate

5190
03:31:18,275 --> 03:31:19,820
good behavior. I agree. You

5191
03:31:19,820 --> 03:31:20,635
can't. If someone wants to

5192
03:31:20,635 --> 03:31:23,425
conduct themselves in a criminal

5193
03:31:23,425 --> 03:31:25,825
way and be clever about it and

5194
03:31:25,825 --> 03:31:27,266
be deceitful about it and be

5195
03:31:27,266 --> 03:31:30,141
really good at it, they can.

5196
03:31:30,141 --> 03:31:32,291
it's really hard to govern good

5197
03:31:32,291 --> 03:31:34,691
legal behavior and ethical

5198
03:31:35,400 --> 03:31:37,151
behavior. But one of the things

5199
03:31:37,151 --> 03:31:40,218
I think we can do is we have

5200
03:31:40,218 --> 03:31:43,218
this ethics officer and this

5201
03:31:43,751 --> 03:31:44,876
ethics commission. I don't know

5202
03:31:44,876 --> 03:31:47,125
what it does. It really doesn't

5203
03:31:47,125 --> 03:31:48,667
do anything. I think it should

5204
03:31:48,667 --> 03:31:50,751
have been front and center on

5205
03:31:50,751 --> 03:31:53,000
this with, you know, alarms

5206
03:31:53,000 --> 03:31:54,959
going off, look, this is what

5207
03:31:54,959 --> 03:31:57,584
we're seeing. It's during an

5208
03:31:57,584 --> 03:31:59,167
emergency, we get the conditions

5209
03:31:59,167 --> 03:32:01,417
are irregular, and they're not,

5210
03:32:01,417 --> 03:32:03,626
you know -- it's not a common

5211
03:32:03,626 --> 03:32:05,417
moment. But that's what I think

5212
03:32:05,417 --> 03:32:08,542
that role should have been used

5213
03:32:08,542 --> 03:32:10,918
for at that time. So I don't

5214
03:32:10,918 --> 03:32:12,999
know that's something that can

5215
03:32:12,999 --> 03:32:14,417
be done. I do think that as we

5216
03:32:14,417 --> 03:32:17,417
go through the matrix of

5217
03:32:19,167 --> 03:32:20,000
corrective actions that we've

5218
03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:21,667
taken, I just want to make sure

5219
03:32:21,667 --> 03:32:23,792
that those are fully implemented

5220
03:32:23,792 --> 03:32:25,999
and I know some are in progress,

5221
03:32:25,999 --> 03:32:27,584
and so I certainly appreciate

5222
03:32:27,584 --> 03:32:31,184
the updates and maybe madam ceo,

5223
03:32:31,375 --> 03:32:32,918
we continue with, you know,

5224
03:32:32,918 --> 03:32:34,417
providing updates and maybe

5225
03:32:34,417 --> 03:32:36,999
gap-filling some of what was

5226
03:32:36,999 --> 03:32:39,830
recommended in this audit. So I

5227
03:32:39,830 --> 03:32:39,999
agree with, you know, the

5228
03:32:39,999 --> 03:32:42,399
vice-chair on that and

5229
03:32:42,999 --> 03:32:44,417
supervisor nguyen. I just think

5230
03:32:44,417 --> 03:32:46,626
that, you know, there has to be

5231
03:32:46,626 --> 03:32:49,626
some way where we encourage

5232
03:32:50,417 --> 03:32:51,417
people to come forward because

5233
03:32:51,417 --> 03:32:53,817
this certainly speaks to

5234
03:32:54,209 --> 03:32:55,334
complete discouragement and

5235
03:32:55,334 --> 03:32:57,292
abandonment of people trying to

5236
03:32:57,292 --> 03:32:58,125
call attention to this and

5237
03:32:58,125 --> 03:33:01,725
nothing being done. So I think

5238
03:33:02,420 --> 03:33:03,999
extending the power of the

5239
03:33:03,999 --> 03:33:05,125
ethics officer and its

5240
03:33:05,125 --> 03:33:05,999
commission is something that we

5241
03:33:05,999 --> 03:33:07,751
should consider. And I know

5242
03:33:07,751 --> 03:33:08,999
they're governed by an

5243
03:33:08,999 --> 03:33:10,542
ordinance, and that ordinance is

5244
03:33:10,542 --> 03:33:12,792
really, really toothless, in my

5245
03:33:12,792 --> 03:33:15,792
opinion. It doesn't -- you

5246
03:33:15,999 --> 03:33:17,417
know, they're not allowed to do

5247
03:33:17,417 --> 03:33:18,999
much, they don't have much

5248
03:33:18,999 --> 03:33:20,417
authority, don't have much

5249
03:33:20,417 --> 03:33:21,209
power, and that's something that

5250
03:33:21,209 --> 03:33:23,459
we should revisit. And I think

5251
03:33:23,459 --> 03:33:25,918
that we also may want to

5252
03:33:25,918 --> 03:33:27,918
consider general transparency

5253
03:33:28,999 --> 03:33:32,599
aboard -- at board offices and

5254
03:33:34,125 --> 03:33:36,459
meetings that we entertain, and

5255
03:33:36,459 --> 03:33:38,999
those should be made up.

5256
03:33:38,999 --> 03:33:40,999
they're publically discoverable.

5257
03:33:40,999 --> 03:33:44,417
if somebody asks for a public

5258
03:33:44,417 --> 03:33:46,667
records act request, we should

5259
03:33:46,667 --> 03:33:48,792
have toe demonstrate those. Who

5260
03:33:48,792 --> 03:33:51,420
are we meeting with? Why? How

5261
03:33:51,420 --> 03:33:52,709
long? How often? Those are

5262
03:33:52,709 --> 03:33:53,667
some things that we can do,

5263
03:33:53,667 --> 03:33:54,999
they're general sunshine

5264
03:33:54,999 --> 03:33:55,918
provisions, something we should

5265
03:33:55,918 --> 03:33:58,334
consider looking at. Do we post

5266
03:33:58,334 --> 03:33:59,709
our public contracts? Are they

5267
03:33:59,709 --> 03:34:02,109
readily accessible to the

5268
03:34:02,792 --> 03:34:04,209
public? Again, to the point

5269
03:34:04,209 --> 03:34:08,834
where, is it easily -- is it a

5270
03:34:08,834 --> 03:34:09,709
web site that can be easily

5271
03:34:09,709 --> 03:34:11,999
navigated by a layperson?

5272
03:34:11,999 --> 03:34:14,420
probably not. We just need to

5273
03:34:14,420 --> 03:34:15,542
get better at doing that.

5274
03:34:15,542 --> 03:34:16,834
that's not something I 98 we're

5275
03:34:16,834 --> 03:34:18,125
trying to hide. I just think

5276
03:34:18,125 --> 03:34:20,334
it's more just practical

5277
03:34:20,334 --> 03:34:22,734
challenges for people, an

5278
03:34:23,167 --> 03:34:24,292
average person trying to find

5279
03:34:24,292 --> 03:34:26,501
information. You know, county

5280
03:34:26,501 --> 03:34:29,292
lobbyist registry, I think we

5281
03:34:29,292 --> 03:34:30,125
have that.

5282
03:34:30,125 --> 03:34:32,501
you know, we want to make sure

5283
03:34:32,501 --> 03:34:33,209
that that's also something that

5284
03:34:33,209 --> 03:34:35,876
is readily accessible. I just

5285
03:34:35,876 --> 03:34:39,501
do think that we do have a

5286
03:34:39,501 --> 03:34:40,999
opportunity here, and that's

5287
03:34:40,999 --> 03:34:42,584
what we said at the very

5288
03:34:42,584 --> 03:34:45,584
beginning. This crisis or this

5289
03:34:45,667 --> 03:34:47,830
crime, however we want to

5290
03:34:47,830 --> 03:34:48,918
describe it, gives us a window,

5291
03:34:48,918 --> 03:34:50,999
gives us a moment where we can

5292
03:34:50,999 --> 03:34:52,667
really make improvements to this

5293
03:34:52,667 --> 03:34:54,626
county and be an example to

5294
03:34:54,626 --> 03:34:56,999
others. And I do think that,

5295
03:34:56,999 --> 03:34:58,667
you know, that's how I see it at

5296
03:34:58,667 --> 03:35:00,209
this moment, that we can really

5297
03:35:00,209 --> 03:35:02,292
improve things. I don't think

5298
03:35:02,292 --> 03:35:03,999
we're going to be able to

5299
03:35:03,999 --> 03:35:06,459
eliminate bad behavior or bad

5300
03:35:06,459 --> 03:35:07,999
conduct, but we certainly can go

5301
03:35:07,999 --> 03:35:10,999
a long way into making sure

5302
03:35:10,999 --> 03:35:12,542
there's not complete deference

5303
03:35:12,542 --> 03:35:14,420
to board office. And that's

5304
03:35:14,420 --> 03:35:15,584
something that, to me, I've

5305
03:35:15,584 --> 03:35:18,584
appreciated by our current ceo

5306
03:35:18,792 --> 03:35:20,375
where she pushes back often and

5307
03:35:20,375 --> 03:35:22,584
says, no, we have to go through

5308
03:35:22,584 --> 03:35:23,999
these, and we go through an

5309
03:35:23,999 --> 03:35:25,667
exchange. What I saw when I

5310
03:35:25,667 --> 03:35:27,830
came in it was just the

5311
03:35:27,830 --> 03:35:29,483
opposite, was complete deference

5312
03:35:29,999 --> 03:35:31,417
to certain offices and not

5313
03:35:31,417 --> 03:35:35,170
others. And so that's maybe a

5314
03:35:35,459 --> 03:35:38,417
very difficult problem to solve.

5315
03:35:38,417 --> 03:35:40,125
but, again, I just want to make

5316
03:35:40,125 --> 03:35:42,525
sure we restore that

5317
03:35:42,584 --> 03:35:43,209
responsibility that our

5318
03:35:43,209 --> 03:35:46,125
employees have no matter how --

5319
03:35:46,125 --> 03:35:48,525
you know, whether mid-level,

5320
03:35:49,420 --> 03:35:50,876
low-level, to make sure that if

5321
03:35:50,876 --> 03:35:51,709
they want to call attention to

5322
03:35:51,709 --> 03:35:52,999
something, that it's going to be

5323
03:35:52,999 --> 03:35:54,626
heard, that it's going to be

5324
03:35:54,626 --> 03:35:57,420
received well. So, you know,

5325
03:35:57,420 --> 03:36:00,667
those are sort of my, you know,

5326
03:36:00,667 --> 03:36:02,125
comments on how we can maybe

5327
03:36:02,125 --> 03:36:03,999
gap-fill what you said but also

5328
03:36:03,999 --> 03:36:06,167
going a little bit further on

5329
03:36:06,167 --> 03:36:07,959
making sure that we sunshine

5330
03:36:07,959 --> 03:36:09,250
some of these things and we, you

5331
03:36:09,250 --> 03:36:11,459
know, already disclose things

5332
03:36:11,459 --> 03:36:14,459
that are discoverable. So, you

5333
03:36:15,417 --> 03:36:16,250
know, thank you for doing the

5334
03:36:16,250 --> 03:36:17,792
audit. I look forward to the

5335
03:36:17,792 --> 03:36:19,999
next phases. But you can just,

5336
03:36:19,999 --> 03:36:21,542
you know, quickly tell us what

5337
03:36:21,542 --> 03:36:25,334
do you see in the next phase?

5338
03:36:25,334 --> 03:36:26,876
>>speaker: with respect to phase

5339
03:36:26,876 --> 03:36:28,167
2, so we've already started

5340
03:36:28,167 --> 03:36:29,999
looking at the vendor reviews

5341
03:36:29,999 --> 03:36:32,999
for phase 2. We know that

5342
03:36:33,420 --> 03:36:35,292
there's contracts and vendors

5343
03:36:35,292 --> 03:36:36,999
that are, you know, also part of

5344
03:36:36,999 --> 03:36:39,399
the district discretionary and

5345
03:36:39,876 --> 03:36:42,276
selected through the districts.

5346
03:36:42,292 --> 03:36:44,250
so we know that there's gonna

5347
03:36:44,250 --> 03:36:47,709
be -- could be similar patterns.

5348
03:36:47,709 --> 03:36:49,292
these are also ones that have,

5349
03:36:49,292 --> 03:36:51,692
you know, emergency purchases,

5350
03:36:51,999 --> 03:36:53,918
sole source procurements, some

5351
03:36:53,918 --> 03:36:55,420
of the other risk factors that

5352
03:36:55,420 --> 03:36:57,417
we see in phase 1. So I think

5353
03:36:57,417 --> 03:36:58,250
that those are, you know, things

5354
03:36:58,250 --> 03:37:01,167
that we're looking for and

5355
03:37:01,167 --> 03:37:01,999
trying to identify the ones that

5356
03:37:01,999 --> 03:37:06,199
we can dig deeper. Do you have

5357
03:37:09,834 --> 03:37:11,417
any thoughts?

5358
03:37:11,417 --> 03:37:13,817
>>speaker: the connections from

5359
03:37:13,918 --> 03:37:16,709
phase 1 -- there is a connection

5360
03:37:16,709 --> 03:37:17,999
sometimes between phase 1 when

5361
03:37:17,999 --> 03:37:22,199
we saw to the phase 2. But we

5362
03:37:22,999 --> 03:37:26,501
marked when we are doing phase

5363
03:37:26,501 --> 03:37:28,830
1, just that we need to look at

5364
03:37:28,830 --> 03:37:30,830
phase 2 then.

5365
03:37:32,125 --> 03:37:33,501
>>vincente sarmiento: so that's

5366
03:37:33,501 --> 03:37:35,209
helpful. I think phase 2 will

5367
03:37:35,209 --> 03:37:36,876
also hopefully give you an

5368
03:37:36,876 --> 03:37:38,000
opportunity connect some dots,

5369
03:37:38,000 --> 03:37:40,375
right. But if you can make an

5370
03:37:40,375 --> 03:37:41,250
extra effort to look at

5371
03:37:41,250 --> 03:37:42,999
communications, right, and that

5372
03:37:42,999 --> 03:37:45,167
to me is really important. It's

5373
03:37:45,167 --> 03:37:46,667
not to get anybody into trouble.

5374
03:37:46,667 --> 03:37:48,918
it's just a spotlight. What

5375
03:37:48,918 --> 03:37:51,334
happened, how did this occur?

5376
03:37:51,334 --> 03:37:53,501
and I think it's important for

5377
03:37:53,501 --> 03:37:55,209
those communications, whether

5378
03:37:55,209 --> 03:37:57,209
they're text message

5379
03:37:57,334 --> 03:37:58,167
communications, whether they're

5380
03:37:58,167 --> 03:38:00,167
email correspondence staff

5381
03:38:03,584 --> 03:38:05,709
trying to call attention to this

5382
03:38:05,709 --> 03:38:07,501
or any other misuse of public

5383
03:38:07,501 --> 03:38:09,209
funds. I think we have really

5384
03:38:09,209 --> 03:38:11,751
ethical people that work in this

5385
03:38:11,751 --> 03:38:11,999
county, and I'm sure somebody

5386
03:38:11,999 --> 03:38:13,709
saw something. Because these

5387
03:38:13,709 --> 03:38:16,334
are, you know, again, hundreds

5388
03:38:16,334 --> 03:38:18,420
of contracts with, you know,

5389
03:38:18,420 --> 03:38:19,584
hundreds of thousands of dollars

5390
03:38:19,584 --> 03:38:21,292
involved. So I do believe that

5391
03:38:21,292 --> 03:38:23,209
we need to track those

5392
03:38:23,209 --> 03:38:25,420
communications down. I have --

5393
03:38:25,420 --> 03:38:26,417
I saw this communication that

5394
03:38:26,417 --> 03:38:28,999
I'm referring to that I messaged

5395
03:38:28,999 --> 03:38:30,999
to our former ceo once, and it

5396
03:38:30,999 --> 03:38:33,542
was -- it's now completely lost,

5397
03:38:33,542 --> 03:38:35,792
like nobody can produce it. And

5398
03:38:35,792 --> 03:38:37,830
I've asked for it several times.

5399
03:38:37,830 --> 03:38:38,999
so I will work with you to make

5400
03:38:38,999 --> 03:38:41,999
sure we identify that exchange

5401
03:38:42,417 --> 03:38:45,830
and that email chain because

5402
03:38:45,830 --> 03:38:47,334
it's important. It's indicative

5403
03:38:47,334 --> 03:38:50,375
of what we may find more of.

5404
03:38:50,375 --> 03:38:53,209
so, please, let's, you know --

5405
03:38:53,209 --> 03:38:55,542
let's continue on with that, and

5406
03:38:55,542 --> 03:38:55,834
I appreciate the work that

5407
03:38:55,834 --> 03:38:57,250
you've done. Mr. Chair, those

5408
03:38:57,250 --> 03:38:58,626
are my comments.

5409
03:38:58,626 --> 03:38:58,918
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

5410
03:38:58,918 --> 03:39:00,959
you, we're back to supervisor

5411
03:39:00,959 --> 03:39:01,167
nguyen.

5412
03:39:01,167 --> 03:39:01,292
>>janet nguyen: thank you

5413
03:39:01,292 --> 03:39:04,125
mr. Chair. Just a couple more

5414
03:39:04,125 --> 03:39:05,626
directives. I know that while

5415
03:39:05,626 --> 03:39:08,626
you're working on the 360 clinic

5416
03:39:09,417 --> 03:39:10,999
issue, I think coordination with

5417
03:39:10,999 --> 03:39:12,626
caloptima, because they were

5418
03:39:12,626 --> 03:39:16,226
looking at it as well, sharing

5419
03:39:16,417 --> 03:39:18,501
of, you know, documents between

5420
03:39:18,501 --> 03:39:20,918
the two public agencies to see

5421
03:39:20,918 --> 03:39:22,584
if there's others I think would

5422
03:39:22,584 --> 03:39:25,375
be more helpful than not. They

5423
03:39:25,375 --> 03:39:25,792
might have information that we

5424
03:39:25,792 --> 03:39:27,999
don't already have. And, you

5425
03:39:27,999 --> 03:39:29,999
know, also looking into, you

5426
03:39:29,999 --> 03:39:32,626
know -- my understanding is the

5427
03:39:32,626 --> 03:39:33,999
former chief of staff's wife's

5428
03:39:33,999 --> 03:39:36,417
work with 360 clinic during that

5429
03:39:36,417 --> 03:39:39,501
time. And that has not been

5430
03:39:39,501 --> 03:39:40,999
mentioned. She got a

5431
03:39:40,999 --> 03:39:43,399
contractor. They was their

5432
03:39:44,667 --> 03:39:47,830
staffing, their hr director or

5433
03:39:47,830 --> 03:39:49,999
something like that. As well as

5434
03:39:49,999 --> 03:39:52,250
the consultant. So I think

5435
03:39:52,250 --> 03:39:53,250
those kind of information --

5436
03:39:53,250 --> 03:39:55,999
when she started, how did she

5437
03:39:55,999 --> 03:39:57,000
get the contract and et cetera

5438
03:39:57,000 --> 03:39:59,125
would be helpful because we had

5439
03:39:59,125 --> 03:40:00,830
similar wish another contract

5440
03:40:00,830 --> 03:40:01,626
with the county that she was

5441
03:40:01,626 --> 03:40:03,334
given a contract that she did

5442
03:40:03,334 --> 03:40:06,250
not provide work for. And so I

5443
03:40:06,250 --> 03:40:08,501
think, you know, again, going

5444
03:40:08,501 --> 03:40:10,584
back to with 360, getting

5445
03:40:10,584 --> 03:40:11,709
information, maybe sharing

5446
03:40:11,709 --> 03:40:13,918
information with caloptima and

5447
03:40:13,918 --> 03:40:16,420
then going further and asking,

5448
03:40:16,420 --> 03:40:17,876
you know, more in depth on to

5449
03:40:17,876 --> 03:40:21,476
360 and getting the feds and the

5450
03:40:24,542 --> 03:40:25,999
ag and d.a. More involved. And

5451
03:40:25,999 --> 03:40:28,626
also I wanted to touch on 2t

5452
03:40:28,626 --> 03:40:30,584
media.

5453
03:40:30,584 --> 03:40:32,167
you know, in your report, you

5454
03:40:32,167 --> 03:40:34,959
spoke to them, and they said --

5455
03:40:34,959 --> 03:40:37,751
you asked if they gave a

5456
03:40:37,751 --> 03:40:38,167
campaign contribution to this

5457
03:40:38,167 --> 03:40:39,292
former supervisor, and they said

5458
03:40:39,292 --> 03:40:40,999
they did not. But the report

5459
03:40:40,999 --> 03:40:43,999
says they did. So --

5460
03:40:44,584 --> 03:40:46,125
>>speaker: the campaign finance

5461
03:40:46,125 --> 03:40:46,918
report.

5462
03:40:46,918 --> 03:40:47,417
>>janet nguyen: yeah. So I

5463
03:40:47,417 --> 03:40:49,918
think that's also something that

5464
03:40:49,918 --> 03:40:51,417
should be alerted to fppc

5465
03:40:51,417 --> 03:40:53,667
because someone is not telling

5466
03:40:53,667 --> 03:40:55,999
the truth or something happened,

5467
03:40:55,999 --> 03:40:57,751
you know, that -- were they a

5468
03:40:57,751 --> 03:41:01,125
phantom donor that -- you know,

5469
03:41:01,125 --> 03:41:02,999
the former supervisor decided to

5470
03:41:02,999 --> 03:41:04,999
put on there? Was it -- I hope

5471
03:41:04,999 --> 03:41:06,999
they gave it in a check because

5472
03:41:06,999 --> 03:41:08,959
you cannot give it in a check,

5473
03:41:08,959 --> 03:41:11,959
and they gave like $8,100, the

5474
03:41:12,334 --> 03:41:13,999
maximum. So I think those are

5475
03:41:13,999 --> 03:41:15,792
the kind of information that

5476
03:41:15,792 --> 03:41:18,420
should also be alerted to fppc

5477
03:41:18,420 --> 03:41:19,209
because they can subpoena these

5478
03:41:19,209 --> 03:41:21,542
documents that we might not be

5479
03:41:21,542 --> 03:41:22,792
able to. But overall, I just

5480
03:41:22,792 --> 03:41:26,420
wanted to close it and, you

5481
03:41:26,420 --> 03:41:28,000
know, look, the first district

5482
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:29,999
residents has continuously been

5483
03:41:29,999 --> 03:41:31,501
waiting and waiting. So, I

5484
03:41:31,501 --> 03:41:33,584
mean, the seniors who were

5485
03:41:33,584 --> 03:41:34,999
promised services never got it.

5486
03:41:34,999 --> 03:41:36,501
the patients who needed care

5487
03:41:36,501 --> 03:41:37,999
didn't get it. The veterans who

5488
03:41:37,999 --> 03:41:40,334
also was hoping for a war

5489
03:41:40,334 --> 03:41:43,334
memorial ended up a memorial

5490
03:41:45,751 --> 03:41:47,459
that honored andrew do. His

5491
03:41:47,459 --> 03:41:49,542
name was engraved perfectly but

5492
03:41:49,542 --> 03:41:51,942
everybody else names weren't

5493
03:41:51,999 --> 03:41:53,626
done yet or partially done. You

5494
03:41:53,626 --> 03:41:55,709
know, as we move forward, I want

5495
03:41:55,709 --> 03:41:57,417
to make sure, that you know, we

5496
03:41:57,417 --> 03:41:58,918
don't just take these reports

5497
03:41:58,918 --> 03:42:01,334
just to treated and file it. We

5498
03:42:01,334 --> 03:42:03,542
want to take the next step, and

5499
03:42:03,542 --> 03:42:05,125
I appreciate our procurement

5500
03:42:05,125 --> 03:42:07,334
staff and the ceo for

5501
03:42:07,334 --> 03:42:08,999
continuously looking at this and

5502
03:42:08,999 --> 03:42:10,542
making sure that we have the

5503
03:42:10,542 --> 03:42:12,626
process and procedure in place

5504
03:42:12,626 --> 03:42:14,209
as we move forward. But we also

5505
03:42:14,209 --> 03:42:16,334
need to continue to unearth and

5506
03:42:16,334 --> 03:42:19,501
see what else did we miss. And

5507
03:42:19,501 --> 03:42:21,334
so as we move forward, I just

5508
03:42:21,334 --> 03:42:23,292
want to make sure that we get

5509
03:42:23,292 --> 03:42:24,209
this concluded because that's

5510
03:42:24,209 --> 03:42:26,792
what helps our district, my

5511
03:42:26,792 --> 03:42:28,626
district in particular, that

5512
03:42:28,626 --> 03:42:30,209
were, you know, what these were

5513
03:42:30,209 --> 03:42:32,542
stolen from. And so, you know,

5514
03:42:32,542 --> 03:42:34,942
again, appreciate your time

5515
03:42:35,459 --> 03:42:37,459
didn't your patience for doing

5516
03:42:37,459 --> 03:42:39,542
this. And if our office can be

5517
03:42:39,542 --> 03:42:41,834
of any assistance, let us know,

5518
03:42:41,834 --> 03:42:41,999
because I think there's a lot

5519
03:42:41,999 --> 03:42:44,334
more, and I truly believe this

5520
03:42:44,334 --> 03:42:45,375
is just the tip of the iceberg.

5521
03:42:45,375 --> 03:42:46,000
thank you.

5522
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:46,501
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

5523
03:42:46,501 --> 03:42:48,209
you. Back to supervisor foley.

5524
03:42:48,209 --> 03:42:48,876
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

5525
03:42:48,876 --> 03:42:51,292
you so much, just one add

5526
03:42:51,292 --> 03:42:53,501
request, when you begin the

5527
03:42:53,501 --> 03:42:56,709
process of the work on phase 2,

5528
03:42:56,709 --> 03:42:58,709
it would be helpful for us when

5529
03:42:58,709 --> 03:43:02,309
you report, okay, this -- we

5530
03:43:02,334 --> 03:43:04,167
have a concern about this

5531
03:43:04,167 --> 03:43:05,834
particular issue, however, this

5532
03:43:05,834 --> 03:43:08,834
new protocol that was adopted

5533
03:43:10,420 --> 03:43:10,999
will ensure that that doesn't

5534
03:43:10,999 --> 03:43:13,292
happen in the future or we'll

5535
03:43:13,292 --> 03:43:16,892
address that. So if you could

5536
03:43:17,420 --> 03:43:17,999
make those connections between

5537
03:43:17,999 --> 03:43:19,542
the reforms that we have set

5538
03:43:19,542 --> 03:43:22,542
into place and into practice

5539
03:43:22,999 --> 03:43:25,792
versus what was in place then.

5540
03:43:25,792 --> 03:43:26,999
because I think that would be

5541
03:43:26,999 --> 03:43:27,999
really helpful instead of us

5542
03:43:27,999 --> 03:43:30,334
just having to say, oh, I think

5543
03:43:30,334 --> 03:43:31,766
that one's already covered. If

5544
03:43:31,766 --> 03:43:32,725
it could be in the report, that

5545
03:43:32,725 --> 03:43:33,629
would be helpful.

5546
03:43:33,629 --> 03:43:34,253
>>speaker: sure.

5547
03:43:34,253 --> 03:43:34,741
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

5548
03:43:34,741 --> 03:43:35,339
you.

5549
03:43:35,339 --> 03:43:35,932
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

5550
03:43:35,932 --> 03:43:40,132
you. I see no more queries on

5551
03:43:40,292 --> 03:43:41,667
my screen. I do thank you for

5552
03:43:41,667 --> 03:43:43,250
your work, and I thank all of

5553
03:43:43,250 --> 03:43:46,250
our offices and we'll be

5554
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:48,667
available to help in any way

5555
03:43:48,667 --> 03:43:50,209
that you would like. So this

5556
03:43:50,209 --> 03:43:51,751
receive and file item. There's

5557
03:43:51,751 --> 03:43:54,542
no action agendized to be taken.

5558
03:43:54,542 --> 03:43:55,542
thank you for taking and waiting

5559
03:43:55,542 --> 03:43:58,792
and being so patient. Now we

5560
03:43:58,792 --> 03:43:59,999
are going to go right to item

5561
03:43:59,999 --> 03:44:02,399
11, we see our auditor

5562
03:44:03,999 --> 03:44:05,334
controller patiently out in the

5563
03:44:05,334 --> 03:44:07,407
audience. Madam clerk, item 11,

5564
03:44:07,407 --> 03:44:09,407
please.

5565
03:44:09,651 --> 03:44:10,275
>>clerk, robin stieler11. Under

5566
03:44:10,275 --> 03:44:11,185
auditor-controller - approve

5567
03:44:11,185 --> 03:44:12,122
amendment 1 to contract

5568
03:44:12,122 --> 03:44:12,782
ma-003-23010066 with eide bailly

5569
03:44:12,782 --> 03:44:14,295
llp for independent auditing and

5570
03:44:14,295 --> 03:44:14,947
related services, term ending

5571
03:44:14,947 --> 03:44:15,763
4/30/26, ($134,200; cumulative

5572
03:44:15,763 --> 03:44:16,413
total $1,982,436); and authorize

5573
03:44:16,413 --> 03:44:17,230
county procurement officer or

5574
03:44:17,230 --> 03:44:18,420
deputized designee to execute

5575
03:44:18,420 --> 03:44:20,420
amendment.

5576
03:44:22,919 --> 03:44:24,737
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

5577
03:44:24,737 --> 03:44:25,925
the item.

5578
03:44:25,925 --> 03:44:27,492
>>don wagner: second.

5579
03:44:27,492 --> 03:44:28,106
>>chair, doug chaffee: already,

5580
03:44:28,106 --> 03:44:29,755
item is approved and thank you,

5581
03:44:29,755 --> 03:44:31,490
auditor controller for being so

5582
03:44:31,490 --> 03:44:33,598
patient, and I hope you enjoy

5583
03:44:33,598 --> 03:44:34,749
the discussion that you

5584
03:44:34,749 --> 03:44:36,749
witnessed.

5585
03:44:40,388 --> 03:44:43,988
all right. Now, we have a

5586
03:44:47,417 --> 03:44:49,834
number of other items, and so

5587
03:44:49,834 --> 03:44:51,250
what is the pleasure of the

5588
03:44:51,250 --> 03:44:53,167
board? Do you want to go to

5589
03:44:53,167 --> 03:44:54,709
closed session? If anyone had a

5590
03:44:54,709 --> 03:44:56,125
hot lunch, it's not going to be

5591
03:44:56,125 --> 03:44:58,501
hot at this point. Closed

5592
03:44:58,501 --> 03:45:00,709
session? A large number of

5593
03:45:00,709 --> 03:45:02,999
items yet to do. So we will be

5594
03:45:02,999 --> 03:45:03,667
back.

5595
03:45:03,667 --> 03:45:06,999
>>speaker: mr. Chair, if I can,

5596
03:45:06,999 --> 03:45:07,876
just really quickly before we go

5597
03:45:07,876 --> 03:45:09,292
into closed session, on item

5598
03:45:09,292 --> 03:45:12,830
no. 31c that was supervisor

5599
03:45:12,830 --> 03:45:13,876
wagner's item, and I know we had

5600
03:45:13,876 --> 03:45:14,999
a discussion about whether or

5601
03:45:14,999 --> 03:45:16,999
not, you know, new legislation

5602
03:45:16,999 --> 03:45:18,959
affects this, and I think, you

5603
03:45:18,959 --> 03:45:21,167
know, now looking back on it,

5604
03:45:21,167 --> 03:45:22,292
not having an opinion from the

5605
03:45:22,292 --> 03:45:24,667
attorney general, which would be

5606
03:45:24,667 --> 03:45:27,670
dispositive, not having alleged

5607
03:45:28,334 --> 03:45:29,999
counsel opinion on, this I'm

5608
03:45:29,999 --> 03:45:32,918
simply going to abstain on this

5609
03:45:32,918 --> 03:45:33,792
as well. I see two of the

5610
03:45:33,792 --> 03:45:35,167
foundations which I really care

5611
03:45:35,167 --> 03:45:37,542
about that are in my district as

5612
03:45:37,542 --> 03:45:39,667
well, jasper ray foundation and

5613
03:45:39,667 --> 03:45:41,334
tustin public school foundation,

5614
03:45:41,334 --> 03:45:42,459
which are completely solid, I

5615
03:45:42,459 --> 03:45:44,999
don't want them to be

5616
03:45:44,999 --> 03:45:45,834
misinterpreted by this really

5617
03:45:45,834 --> 03:45:47,501
clumsy written legislation

5618
03:45:47,501 --> 03:45:49,501
that's now complicated.

5619
03:45:51,125 --> 03:45:51,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: we'll

5620
03:45:51,999 --> 03:45:53,792
record your vote as an

5621
03:45:53,792 --> 03:45:55,751
abstention on that item and it

5622
03:45:55,751 --> 03:45:57,518
still carries with the three yes

5623
03:45:57,518 --> 03:45:58,643
votes. Mad a clerk, would you

5624
03:45:58,643 --> 03:46:00,481
read the closed-session items.

5625
03:46:00,481 --> 03:46:02,667
>>clerk, robin stieler: cs-1.

5626
03:46:02,667 --> 03:46:03,417
under county executive office -

5627
03:46:03,417 --> 03:46:04,167
conference with labor negotiator

5628
03:46:04,167 --> 03:46:05,830
pursuant to government code

5629
03:46:05,830 --> 03:46:06,510
section 54957.6 agency

5630
03:46:06,510 --> 03:46:08,352
negotiator: jamie newton, chief

5631
03:46:08,352 --> 03:46:09,817
human resources officer

5632
03:46:09,817 --> 03:46:11,817
employee organizations:

5633
03:46:12,840 --> 03:46:13,767
association of orange county

5634
03:46:13,767 --> 03:46:15,779
deputy sheriffs (aocds), orange

5635
03:46:15,779 --> 03:46:17,779
county employees association

5636
03:46:18,759 --> 03:46:20,778
(ocea), orange county attorneys

5637
03:46:20,778 --> 03:46:21,704
association (ocaa) international

5638
03:46:21,704 --> 03:46:22,921
union of operating engineers

5639
03:46:22,921 --> 03:46:24,450
(iuoe), association of county

5640
03:46:24,450 --> 03:46:24,755
law

5641
03:46:24,755 --> 03:46:25,530
enforcement managers (aclem),

5642
03:46:25,530 --> 03:46:26,263
american federation of state,

5643
03:46:26,263 --> 03:46:27,352
county and municipal employees

5644
03:46:27,352 --> 03:46:28,337
(afscme) orange county managers

5645
03:46:28,337 --> 03:46:30,337
association (ocma), teamsters,

5646
03:46:31,153 --> 03:46:33,553
and workers represented by

5647
03:46:34,292 --> 03:46:35,260
united

5648
03:46:35,260 --> 03:46:36,185
domestic workers of america

5649
03:46:36,185 --> 03:46:37,614
(udwa) and other nonrepresented

5650
03:46:37,614 --> 03:46:39,201
employees re: terms and

5651
03:46:39,201 --> 03:46:41,601
conditions of employment. Scs2

5652
03:46:41,959 --> 03:46:42,750
under county executive office -

5653
03:46:42,750 --> 03:46:43,583
public employee appointment -

5654
03:46:43,583 --> 03:46:44,500
pursuant to government code

5655
03:46:44,500 --> 03:46:46,500
section 54957(b):

5656
03:46:46,999 --> 03:46:48,875
title: director of office of

5657
03:46:48,875 --> 03:46:50,875
independent review.

5658
03:46:51,413 --> 03:46:52,438
scs3. County counsel -

5659
03:46:52,438 --> 03:46:53,675
conference

5660
03:46:53,675 --> 03:46:54,700
with legal counsel - existing

5661
03:46:54,700 --> 03:46:55,973
litigation - pursuant to

5662
03:46:55,973 --> 03:46:57,666
government code section

5663
03:46:57,666 --> 03:46:59,230
54956.9(d)(1):

5664
03:46:59,230 --> 03:47:00,172
name of case: orange county

5665
03:47:00,172 --> 03:47:02,113
flood

5666
03:47:02,113 --> 03:47:03,570
control district v. Fico ch llc,

5667
03:47:03,570 --> 03:47:04,539
et al., san bernardino superior

5668
03:47:04,539 --> 03:47:05,907
court case no. Civsb2133824.

5669
03:47:05,907 --> 03:47:07,907
scs4. County counsel -

5670
03:47:08,711 --> 03:47:10,312
conference

5671
03:47:10,312 --> 03:47:11,212
with legal counsel - existing

5672
03:47:11,212 --> 03:47:12,710
litigation - pursuant to

5673
03:47:12,710 --> 03:47:13,540
government code section

5674
03:47:13,540 --> 03:47:15,540
54956.9(d)(1):

5675
03:47:15,412 --> 03:47:17,292
name of case: juan david

5676
03:47:17,292 --> 03:47:18,727
veramancini, rodrigo torres

5677
03:47:18,727 --> 03:47:20,850
marini v. County of orange,

5678
03:47:20,850 --> 03:47:21,420
united states district court

5679
03:47:21,420 --> 03:47:21,918
case

5680
03:47:21,918 --> 03:47:22,942
no. 8:22-cv-01501-fws-jde

5681
03:47:22,942 --> 03:47:24,137
scs5. County counsel -

5682
03:47:24,137 --> 03:47:25,140
conference

5683
03:47:25,140 --> 03:47:26,810
with legal counsel - anticipated

5684
03:47:26,810 --> 03:47:26,787
litigation - significant

5685
03:47:26,787 --> 03:47:27,465
exposure

5686
03:47:27,465 --> 03:47:28,532
to litigation - pursuant to

5687
03:47:28,532 --> 03:47:29,557
government code section

5688
03:47:29,557 --> 03:47:31,248
54956.9(d)(2):

5689
03:47:31,248 --> 03:47:34,248
number of cases: multiple. Scs6

5690
03:47:35,230 --> 03:47:38,230
county counsel - conference with

5691
03:47:38,328 --> 03:47:39,995
legal counsel - existing

5692
03:47:39,995 --> 03:47:41,185
litigation - pursuant to

5693
03:47:41,185 --> 03:47:42,294
government code section

5694
03:47:42,294 --> 03:47:43,319
54956.9(d)(1): name of cases:

5695
03:47:43,319 --> 03:47:44,553
clarisse magtoto v. County of

5696
03:47:44,553 --> 03:47:45,661
orange, orange county superior

5697
03:47:45,661 --> 03:47:47,146
court case no.

5698
03:47:47,146 --> 03:47:47,692
302022-01241335-cu-oe-cjc, amy

5699
03:47:47,692 --> 03:47:48,230
tallakson v. County of orange,

5700
03:47:48,230 --> 03:47:48,772
orange county superior court

5701
03:47:48,772 --> 03:47:49,422
case

5702
03:47:49,422 --> 03:47:49,976
no. 30-2022-01241346-cu-oe-cjc

5703
03:47:49,976 --> 03:47:51,775
we have no requests to speak on

5704
03:47:51,775 --> 03:47:52,800
the closed-session items.

5705
03:47:52,800 --> 03:47:53,813
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

5706
03:47:53,813 --> 03:47:55,228
you, madam clerk, with that, we

5707
03:47:55,228 --> 03:47:58,228
are adjourned to closed session.

5708
03:48:03,856 --> 03:48:05,856
(closed session.)

5709
03:48:34,942 --> 03:48:37,342
>>counsel, leon page: all

5710
03:48:37,744 --> 03:48:39,284
right. So, pursuant

5711
03:48:39,284 --> 03:48:40,784
to government code section

5712
03:48:40,784 --> 03:48:41,785
54957.6, 54957 subdivision b and

5713
03:48:41,785 --> 03:48:42,705
54956.9, the board met

5714
03:48:42,705 --> 03:48:43,808
in closed session to discuss

5715
03:48:43,808 --> 03:48:44,681
items on today's agenda:

5716
03:48:44,681 --> 03:48:47,308
scs1 scs2 scs3 scs4 scs5

5717
03:48:47,308 --> 03:48:48,341
and scs6.

5718
03:48:48,341 --> 03:48:49,426
so, with respect to cs1, the

5719
03:48:49,426 --> 03:48:50,538
board took no reportable

5720
03:48:50,538 --> 03:48:51,586
action. With respect to

5721
03:48:51,586 --> 03:48:53,400
scs2, the board took

5722
03:48:53,400 --> 03:48:54,205
no reportable action.

5723
03:48:54,205 --> 03:48:55,914
with respect to scs3, the board

5724
03:48:55,914 --> 03:48:58,124
unanimously approved a proposed

5725
03:48:58,124 --> 03:48:59,514
settlement in an amount

5726
03:48:59,514 --> 03:49:01,795
not to exceed $10,535,000 to

5727
03:49:01,795 --> 03:49:02,796
acquire flowage easement rights

5728
03:49:02,796 --> 03:49:05,671
over various properties in san

5729
03:49:05,671 --> 03:49:06,548
bernardino county identified as

5730
03:49:06,548 --> 03:49:07,156
assessor parcel numbers

5731
03:49:07,156 --> 03:49:10,156
1027-121-38-39-40 and

5732
03:49:12,504 --> 03:49:15,720
41 in the matter of orange

5733
03:49:15,720 --> 03:49:16,198
county flood control district

5734
03:49:16,198 --> 03:49:17,533
versus fico chllc, at all. As

5735
03:49:17,533 --> 03:49:18,792
part of today's approvals the

5736
03:49:18,792 --> 03:49:19,542
board authorized and direct

5737
03:49:19,542 --> 03:49:20,709
accounting council and outside

5738
03:49:20,709 --> 03:49:23,499
counsel to file and execute all

5739
03:49:23,499 --> 03:49:24,126
necessary documents. To

5740
03:49:24,126 --> 03:49:26,126
accomplish this settlement.

5741
03:49:26,834 --> 03:49:29,630
upon completion and execution of

5742
03:49:29,630 --> 03:49:30,750
the settlement documents, the

5743
03:49:30,750 --> 03:49:32,889
board authorized and direct the

5744
03:49:32,889 --> 03:49:34,251
auditor controller to encumber

5745
03:49:34,251 --> 03:49:36,126
payment to fico up to an amount

5746
03:49:36,126 --> 03:49:37,584
of $3,779,000 in new money.

5747
03:49:37,584 --> 03:49:39,584
payment of $2,415,548 is

5748
03:49:40,751 --> 03:49:42,524
directed to be made by the

5749
03:49:42,524 --> 03:49:43,698
auditor controller upon request

5750
03:49:43,698 --> 03:49:44,730
within 30 days of entry

5751
03:49:44,730 --> 03:49:45,929
of entry of judgment.

5752
03:49:45,929 --> 03:49:47,469
upon grading, fico will request

5753
03:49:47,469 --> 03:49:48,904
payment of the final $300,000

5754
03:49:48,904 --> 03:49:50,485
that shall be released by the

5755
03:49:50,485 --> 03:49:51,588
auditor controller at the

5756
03:49:51,588 --> 03:49:53,490
request county counsel.

5757
03:49:53,490 --> 03:49:55,135
if fico does not grade the

5758
03:49:55,135 --> 03:49:56,469
remaining settlement of

5759
03:49:56,469 --> 03:49:58,251
$1,363,452 shall be paid by

5760
03:49:58,251 --> 03:50:00,209
march 1st 2030 and shall be

5761
03:50:00,209 --> 03:50:01,834
released by the audit controller

5762
03:50:01,834 --> 03:50:02,777
at the request of county

5763
03:50:02,777 --> 03:50:04,750
counsel.

5764
03:50:04,750 --> 03:50:06,251
when the settlement agreement is

5765
03:50:06,251 --> 03:50:07,251
finalized, copies of the

5766
03:50:07,251 --> 03:50:07,875
agreement will be made available

5767
03:50:07,875 --> 03:50:08,499
through the office of county

5768
03:50:08,499 --> 03:50:09,500
counsel. Any person who

5769
03:50:09,500 --> 03:50:10,875
inquires.

5770
03:50:10,875 --> 03:50:12,804
with respect to scs4, the board

5771
03:50:12,804 --> 03:50:13,622
took no reportable action.

5772
03:50:13,622 --> 03:50:14,598
with respect to scs5, the board

5773
03:50:14,598 --> 03:50:15,434
unanimously approved a 2.5

5774
03:50:15,434 --> 03:50:17,153
million dollar settlement of the

5775
03:50:17,153 --> 03:50:18,265
claim submitted by the collins

5776
03:50:18,265 --> 03:50:19,376
household and that's claimants

5777
03:50:19,376 --> 03:50:20,294
robert and rebecca collins for

5778
03:50:20,294 --> 03:50:21,676
economic and non-economic

5779
03:50:21,676 --> 03:50:23,676
damages incurred as

5780
03:50:24,138 --> 03:50:26,740
a result of the september

5781
03:50:26,740 --> 03:50:27,265
2024 airport fire. When the

5782
03:50:27,265 --> 03:50:28,471
settlement agreement is

5783
03:50:28,471 --> 03:50:29,540
finalized copies of the

5784
03:50:29,540 --> 03:50:29,807
agreement will made available

5785
03:50:29,807 --> 03:50:30,725
for the office of ceo risk

5786
03:50:30,725 --> 03:50:31,433
management to any person who

5787
03:50:31,433 --> 03:50:32,938
inquires.

5788
03:50:32,938 --> 03:50:34,566
the board unanimously rejected

5789
03:50:34,566 --> 03:50:35,443
the claims of forrest clark and

5790
03:50:35,443 --> 03:50:37,443
glenn pearson.

5791
03:50:37,493 --> 03:50:39,629
with respect to scs-6, on a vote

5792
03:50:39,629 --> 03:50:40,281
of three to two, with chairman

5793
03:50:40,281 --> 03:50:41,750
chafee, vice chair foley and

5794
03:50:41,750 --> 03:50:41,743
supervisor sarmiento voting yes,

5795
03:50:41,743 --> 03:50:43,420
and supervisor wagner and

5796
03:50:43,420 --> 03:50:43,772
supervisor nguyen voting no.

5797
03:50:43,772 --> 03:50:45,772
the board approved

5798
03:50:46,500 --> 03:50:48,499
a $995,000 settlement

5799
03:50:48,499 --> 03:50:50,899
with plaintiff clarice magtodo

5800
03:50:51,499 --> 03:50:52,667
and a $988,000 settlement with

5801
03:50:52,667 --> 03:50:54,667
plaintiff amy tallakson.

5802
03:50:55,834 --> 03:50:57,500
both miss magtoto and miss

5803
03:50:57,500 --> 03:50:59,499
tallakson alleged sexual

5804
03:50:59,499 --> 03:51:02,251
harassment on the part of former

5805
03:51:02,251 --> 03:51:03,499
senior assistant district

5806
03:51:03,499 --> 03:51:04,875
attorney gary legalbo. The

5807
03:51:04,875 --> 03:51:06,875
settlements approved today

5808
03:51:08,420 --> 03:51:08,625
remains subject to the final

5809
03:51:08,625 --> 03:51:09,251
approval others and

5810
03:51:09,251 --> 03:51:09,750
when the settlements are

5811
03:51:09,750 --> 03:51:10,499
finalized, copies of the

5812
03:51:10,499 --> 03:51:11,000
agreements will be made

5813
03:51:11,000 --> 03:51:11,667
available at the office of

5814
03:51:11,667 --> 03:51:12,499
county counsel to any person who

5815
03:51:12,499 --> 03:51:12,792
inquires.

5816
03:51:12,792 --> 03:51:13,499
the board took no other

5817
03:51:13,499 --> 03:51:14,126
reportable action in closed

5818
03:51:14,126 --> 03:51:14,500
session today.

5819
03:51:14,500 --> 03:51:17,167
then finally, with respect to

5820
03:51:17,167 --> 03:51:18,167
the matter of jennifer kearns

5821
03:51:18,167 --> 03:51:19,840
versus county of orange, which

5822
03:51:19,840 --> 03:51:20,167
was considered by the board in

5823
03:51:20,167 --> 03:51:21,126
close session on march 10th

5824
03:51:21,126 --> 03:51:23,167
agenda item scs5, the plaintiff

5825
03:51:23,167 --> 03:51:24,420
has accepted the board's $2.75

5826
03:51:24,420 --> 03:51:25,500
million dollar offer to settle

5827
03:51:25,500 --> 03:51:26,959
and also agreed to resign upon

5828
03:51:26,959 --> 03:51:29,376
receipt of payment. The board

5829
03:51:29,376 --> 03:51:31,776
had on march 10, 2026 approved

5830
03:51:32,667 --> 03:51:34,000
the proposed settlement on a

5831
03:51:34,000 --> 03:51:35,000
voter 3-2 with supervisor foley,

5832
03:51:35,000 --> 03:51:35,834
supervisor sarmiento and wagner

5833
03:51:35,834 --> 03:51:36,625
voting yes, and chairman chaffey

5834
03:51:36,625 --> 03:51:38,209
and supervisor nguyen voting no.

5835
03:51:38,209 --> 03:51:38,834
and that concludes my report.

5836
03:51:38,834 --> 03:51:41,234
thank you, mr chairman.

5837
03:51:47,500 --> 03:51:48,709
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

5838
03:51:48,709 --> 03:51:50,875
you. We were waiting for

5839
03:51:50,875 --> 03:51:53,875
supervisor sarmiento, I told him

5840
03:51:54,499 --> 03:51:56,899
3:15. So, three more minutes.

5841
03:51:59,418 --> 03:52:01,818
unless he arrives sooner.

5842
03:55:13,451 --> 03:55:15,770
it's now 3:15, so calling the

5843
03:55:15,770 --> 03:55:15,953
meeting back to order.

5844
03:55:15,953 --> 03:55:16,974
on item 14 madam clerk

5845
03:55:16,974 --> 03:55:17,787
will you please read item 14

5846
03:55:17,787 --> 03:55:19,538
approve amendment 4 to extend

5847
03:55:19,538 --> 03:55:20,500
contract ma-042-22010072 with hs

5848
03:55:20,500 --> 03:55:22,900
govtech usa inc. For

5849
03:55:24,441 --> 03:55:25,583
environmental health data

5850
03:55:25,583 --> 03:55:26,376
management system, 7/1/26 -

5851
03:55:26,376 --> 03:55:26,959
6/30/28 ($609,393; cumulative

5852
03:55:26,959 --> 03:55:27,583
total $1,898,506); renewable for

5853
03:55:27,583 --> 03:55:28,334
one additional year; and

5854
03:55:28,334 --> 03:55:28,917
authorize county procurement

5855
03:55:28,917 --> 03:55:29,542
officer to execute amendment -

5856
03:55:29,542 --> 03:55:30,420
all districts

5857
03:55:30,420 --> 03:55:31,207
and we have no requests

5858
03:55:31,207 --> 03:55:32,459
to speak on agenda item 14.

5859
03:55:32,459 --> 03:55:33,817
>>chair, doug chaffee:

5860
03:55:33,817 --> 03:55:34,900
it's an all district.

5861
03:55:34,900 --> 03:55:35,652
moved and seconded. Any

5862
03:55:35,652 --> 03:55:36,875
objection? No objection. Item

5863
03:55:36,875 --> 03:55:38,875
carries. Passed.

5864
03:55:42,260 --> 03:55:44,871
this would be 15 is next

5865
03:55:44,871 --> 03:55:46,292
>>clerk of the board, robin

5866
03:55:46,292 --> 03:55:47,167
stieler: approve

5867
03:55:47,167 --> 03:55:47,917
continuation of local

5868
03:55:47,917 --> 03:55:49,916
health emergency by county's

5869
03:55:49,916 --> 03:55:52,316
health officer issued on 9/20/24

5870
03:55:52,943 --> 03:55:55,412
for trabuco canyon airport fire

5871
03:55:55,412 --> 03:55:57,898
and affected areas to facilitate

5872
03:55:57,898 --> 03:55:59,499
debris and ash removal as well

5873
03:55:59,499 --> 03:56:00,209
as mitigation efforts to protect

5874
03:56:00,209 --> 03:56:00,834
water wells; and set review to

5875
03:56:00,834 --> 03:56:02,625
determine need for continuing

5876
03:56:02,625 --> 03:56:04,834
local health emergency for

5877
03:56:04,834 --> 03:56:06,959
4/14/26, 9:30 a.m. And every 30

5878
03:56:06,959 --> 03:56:09,359
days thereafter until terminated

5879
03:56:10,840 --> 03:56:11,653
we have no request to speak on

5880
03:56:11,653 --> 03:56:12,911
agenda item 15.

5881
03:56:12,911 --> 03:56:14,135
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

5882
03:56:14,135 --> 03:56:14,907
the item.

5883
03:56:14,907 --> 03:56:16,426
>>chair, doug chaffee:

5884
03:56:16,426 --> 03:56:17,548
all district item.

5885
03:56:17,548 --> 03:56:19,548
any objection? Approved.

5886
03:56:19,564 --> 03:56:21,760
16 please.

5887
03:56:21,760 --> 03:56:22,584
>>clerk of the board, robin

5888
03:56:22,584 --> 03:56:23,446
stieler:

5889
03:56:23,446 --> 03:56:24,489
acting as board of supervisors -

5890
03:56:24,489 --> 03:56:25,895
authorize director or designee

5891
03:56:25,895 --> 03:56:27,198
to utilize available funding

5892
03:56:27,198 --> 03:56:28,830
($3,990,800) for loan financing

5893
03:56:28,830 --> 03:56:29,625
to partnership by jamboree

5894
03:56:29,625 --> 03:56:31,335
housing corporation for

5895
03:56:31,335 --> 03:56:33,735
development of costa mesa

5896
03:56:34,634 --> 03:56:37,340
senior, 695 west 19th street,

5897
03:56:37,719 --> 03:56:39,470
costa mesa; approve loan

5898
03:56:39,470 --> 03:56:40,482
commitments and subordination at

5899
03:56:40,482 --> 03:56:41,502
construction and permanent

5900
03:56:41,502 --> 03:56:42,379
financing; authorize director or

5901
03:56:42,379 --> 03:56:43,838
designee to subordinate

5902
03:56:43,838 --> 03:56:45,720
additional senior debt and

5903
03:56:45,720 --> 03:56:46,194
execute subordination agreements

5904
03:56:46,194 --> 03:56:47,791
and related documents under

5905
03:56:47,791 --> 03:56:49,499
certain conditions; authorize

5906
03:56:49,499 --> 03:56:51,706
health care agency director or

5907
03:56:51,706 --> 03:56:52,834
designee to execute services

5908
03:56:52,834 --> 03:56:54,499
agreements and related documents

5909
03:56:54,499 --> 03:56:55,292
under certain conditions for

5910
03:56:55,292 --> 03:56:57,692
mental services act funding;

5911
03:56:59,196 --> 03:57:01,100
acting as orange county housing

5912
03:57:01,100 --> 03:57:02,376
authority - approve selection of

5913
03:57:02,376 --> 03:57:04,776
costa mesa senior for

5914
03:57:04,834 --> 03:57:06,861
utilization of up to 34 housing

5915
03:57:06,861 --> 03:57:08,697
choice project-based vouchers;

5916
03:57:08,697 --> 03:57:09,955
and authorize executive director

5917
03:57:09,955 --> 03:57:11,496
of orange county housing

5918
03:57:11,496 --> 03:57:12,637
authority or designee to execute

5919
03:57:12,637 --> 03:57:13,555
related documents under certain

5920
03:57:13,555 --> 03:57:14,519
conditions

5921
03:57:14,519 --> 03:57:15,505
we have received one request to

5922
03:57:15,505 --> 03:57:17,659
speak on agenda item 16. Please

5923
03:57:17,659 --> 03:57:18,660
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

5924
03:57:18,660 --> 03:57:19,366
call the speaker.

5925
03:57:19,366 --> 03:57:20,120
>>clerk of the board, robin

5926
03:57:20,120 --> 03:57:22,120
stieler: paul hyack.

5927
03:57:22,716 --> 03:57:23,873
>>chair, doug chaffee: I do not

5928
03:57:23,873 --> 03:57:24,683
see him here.

5929
03:57:24,683 --> 03:57:25,550
>>clerk of the board, robin

5930
03:57:25,550 --> 03:57:27,534
stieler: he's not present.

5931
03:57:27,534 --> 03:57:28,599
>>chair, doug chaffee:

5932
03:57:28,599 --> 03:57:30,185
we'll bring this back then to

5933
03:57:30,185 --> 03:57:31,751
the board for consideration, the

5934
03:57:31,751 --> 03:57:32,615
district five item.

5935
03:57:32,615 --> 03:57:33,440
>>clerk of the board, robin

5936
03:57:33,440 --> 03:57:33,690
stieler:

5937
03:57:33,690 --> 03:57:34,356
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

5938
03:57:34,356 --> 03:57:35,234
thank you, mr. Chairman I move

5939
03:57:35,234 --> 03:57:38,234
this item. And will comment.

5940
03:57:38,350 --> 03:57:40,144
this this is a major milestone

5941
03:57:40,144 --> 03:57:42,544
for this development project

5942
03:57:44,440 --> 03:57:46,499
started when I was mayor

5943
03:57:46,499 --> 03:57:49,209
in costa mesa and it's taken

5944
03:57:49,209 --> 03:57:51,792
seven, almost eight years, to

5945
03:57:51,792 --> 03:57:54,849
get here. What's great is it's

5946
03:57:54,849 --> 03:57:56,385
70 units senior housing and 34

5947
03:57:56,385 --> 03:57:57,667
of the units will be 30 ami.

5948
03:57:57,667 --> 03:57:58,710
that's those project-based

5949
03:57:58,710 --> 03:58:00,710
vouchers.

5950
03:58:01,625 --> 03:58:04,112
and for those who don't know in

5951
03:58:04,112 --> 03:58:05,302
the public, 30 ami means that a

5952
03:58:05,302 --> 03:58:06,885
person can't make more than

5953
03:58:06,885 --> 03:58:09,285
$35,550 dollars and then 34 will

5954
03:58:09,886 --> 03:58:12,286
be at the 60,000 annually.

5955
03:58:14,887 --> 03:58:16,723
this will have a dog wash, bike

5956
03:58:16,723 --> 03:58:18,687
lockers, connection to the costa

5957
03:58:18,687 --> 03:58:20,687
mesa senior center.

5958
03:58:20,770 --> 03:58:22,209
it's being built right in the

5959
03:58:22,209 --> 03:58:23,209
parking lot there and so I come

5960
03:58:23,209 --> 03:58:24,625
in the county staff city costa

5961
03:58:24,625 --> 03:58:27,625
mesa jamboree housing and the

5962
03:58:28,910 --> 03:58:30,121
housing finance trust for the

5963
03:58:30,121 --> 03:58:31,801
commitment to the project so

5964
03:58:31,801 --> 03:58:32,510
that we can get some senior

5965
03:58:32,510 --> 03:58:34,570
housing online. Thank you.

5966
03:58:34,570 --> 03:58:35,367
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

5967
03:58:35,367 --> 03:58:38,367
you. Any objection? The item

5968
03:58:39,272 --> 03:58:42,000
is approved. On to item 17.

5969
03:58:42,000 --> 03:58:43,213
>>clerk of the board, robin

5970
03:58:43,213 --> 03:58:43,729
stieler: acting as the board of

5971
03:58:43,729 --> 03:58:44,794
supervisors and orange county

5972
03:58:44,794 --> 03:58:45,671
flood control district - approve

5973
03:58:45,671 --> 03:58:47,000
contract ma-080-26010792 with

5974
03:58:47,000 --> 03:58:48,868
pacific advanced civil

5975
03:58:48,868 --> 03:58:50,834
engineering, inc. For consultant

5976
03:58:50,834 --> 03:58:52,479
services to update orange county

5977
03:58:52,479 --> 03:58:53,372
hydrology manual, three-year

5978
03:58:53,372 --> 03:58:54,106
term ($1,672,150); and authorize

5979
03:58:54,106 --> 03:58:55,761
county procurement officer or

5980
03:58:55,761 --> 03:58:56,709
deputized designee to execute

5981
03:58:56,709 --> 03:58:58,115
contract.

5982
03:58:58,115 --> 03:58:59,582
and we have one request to speak

5983
03:58:59,582 --> 03:59:01,166
on agenda item 17.

5984
03:59:01,166 --> 03:59:02,200
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

5985
03:59:02,200 --> 03:59:02,877
call the speaker.

5986
03:59:02,877 --> 03:59:03,488
>>clerk of the board, robin

5987
03:59:03,488 --> 03:59:05,488
stieler: brian k.

5988
03:59:11,238 --> 03:59:13,984
>>speaker: happy day. So we're

5989
03:59:13,984 --> 03:59:15,611
discussing the riverbeds the

5990
03:59:15,611 --> 03:59:16,738
flood control maintaining these

5991
03:59:16,738 --> 03:59:18,406
properties maintaining the

5992
03:59:18,406 --> 03:59:21,406
waterways 10 years ago that I

5993
03:59:21,664 --> 03:59:22,915
worked with shirley grindle and

5994
03:59:22,915 --> 03:59:24,540
we got the county to stop

5995
03:59:24,540 --> 03:59:26,541
doing what's called broadcast

5996
03:59:26,541 --> 03:59:28,252
spraying of the river beds.

5997
03:59:28,252 --> 03:59:30,667
they went from broadcast to

5998
03:59:30,667 --> 03:59:32,210
target spraying.

5999
03:59:32,210 --> 03:59:33,924
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6000
03:59:33,924 --> 03:59:34,777
I'm sorry. Mr. Chairman, this

6001
03:59:34,777 --> 03:59:35,571
is for the hydrology manual.

6002
03:59:35,571 --> 03:59:38,571
nothing to do with spraying

6003
03:59:38,648 --> 03:59:40,648
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6004
03:59:40,848 --> 03:59:42,849
well, the river is hydrology.

6005
03:59:42,849 --> 03:59:43,890
so, I'm not sure yet

6006
03:59:43,890 --> 03:59:45,684
with the -- if you're connected

6007
03:59:45,684 --> 03:59:46,999
or not.

6008
03:59:46,999 --> 03:59:48,910
>>speaker: or not the idea is

6009
03:59:48,910 --> 03:59:48,884
that in order to have the

6010
03:59:48,884 --> 03:59:49,760
hydrology systems in place,

6011
03:59:49,760 --> 03:59:50,928
you have to have people

6012
03:59:50,928 --> 03:59:52,594
working in the riverbed.

6013
03:59:52,594 --> 03:59:53,960
and these people are then

6014
03:59:53,960 --> 03:59:55,114
exposed to the roundup.

6015
03:59:55,114 --> 03:59:56,678
as we got the county under

6016
03:59:56,678 --> 03:59:57,985
ms. Blackwood to stop using

6017
03:59:57,985 --> 04:00:01,585
roundup. I think it was just

6018
04:00:02,597 --> 04:00:03,682
in the last few months san

6019
04:00:03,682 --> 04:00:06,820
clemente, san juan capistrano,

6020
04:00:06,542 --> 04:00:08,499
and dana point, the riverbed

6021
04:00:08,499 --> 04:00:09,499
sections were all sprayed with

6022
04:00:09,499 --> 04:00:10,499
large amounts, I think three to

6023
04:00:10,499 --> 04:00:13,499
five hundred gallons of roundup.

6024
04:00:13,499 --> 04:00:15,875
now this implicates and causes

6025
04:00:15,875 --> 04:00:18,499
safety issues for the employees

6026
04:00:18,499 --> 04:00:19,709
of the county. Not to mention,

6027
04:00:19,709 --> 04:00:21,499
the county already knows

6028
04:00:21,499 --> 04:00:24,709
that roundup is unsafe. If you

6029
04:00:24,709 --> 04:00:26,875
had a olympic-sized swimming

6030
04:00:26,875 --> 04:00:29,420
pool, let's just say this room

6031
04:00:29,420 --> 04:00:30,376
filled with water and you added

6032
04:00:30,376 --> 04:00:33,976
about four to eight ounces of

6033
04:00:35,875 --> 04:00:38,126
roundup to that water any woman

6034
04:00:38,126 --> 04:00:39,292
or child who is contacted with

6035
04:00:39,292 --> 04:00:42,499
that is now 10 to 20 times more

6036
04:00:42,499 --> 04:00:44,500
likely to get brain cancer

6037
04:00:44,500 --> 04:00:46,500
or breast cancer.

6038
04:00:48,399 --> 04:00:50,625
so, I'm surprised that

6039
04:00:50,625 --> 04:00:53,499
this board of supervisors would

6040
04:00:53,499 --> 04:00:54,625
allow hundreds of gallons

6041
04:00:54,625 --> 04:00:57,709
of roundup to be sprayed into

6042
04:00:57,709 --> 04:01:00,499
the riverbed, that would then

6043
04:01:00,499 --> 04:01:01,126
wash to the ocean and

6044
04:01:01,126 --> 04:01:01,792
contaminate our beaches

6045
04:01:01,792 --> 04:01:03,500
and cause children and women to

6046
04:01:03,500 --> 04:01:04,376
experience breast cancer and

6047
04:01:04,376 --> 04:01:06,209
brain cancer?

6048
04:01:06,209 --> 04:01:09,809
what did you receive? What was

6049
04:01:13,459 --> 04:01:15,750
the influence that inspired this

6050
04:01:15,750 --> 04:01:18,750
county to use roundup, putting

6051
04:01:22,499 --> 04:01:24,899
people's lives at risk?

6052
04:01:27,418 --> 04:01:29,251
why would you put their families

6053
04:01:29,251 --> 04:01:30,499
at risk? An issue we've already

6054
04:01:30,499 --> 04:01:32,499
decided, roundup is known to be

6055
04:01:32,499 --> 04:01:32,792
unsafe.

6056
04:01:32,792 --> 04:01:34,792
they're paying millions

6057
04:01:36,000 --> 04:01:38,917
of dollars in lawsuits. And

6058
04:01:38,917 --> 04:01:40,251
what we have now are women and

6059
04:01:40,251 --> 04:01:41,499
children who have breast cancer

6060
04:01:41,499 --> 04:01:42,625
and are dying. We have

6061
04:01:42,625 --> 04:01:45,376
children who have breast cancer

6062
04:01:45,376 --> 04:01:46,750
or dying because we've sprayed

6063
04:01:46,750 --> 04:01:49,150
roundup in our riverbed.

6064
04:01:52,251 --> 04:01:55,251
these children are children of

6065
04:01:55,499 --> 04:01:58,499
the workers who handle the

6066
04:02:00,499 --> 04:02:02,499
hydrology systems.

6067
04:02:04,542 --> 04:02:05,499
so what if you receive that's

6068
04:02:05,499 --> 04:02:06,126
more important and more

6069
04:02:06,126 --> 04:02:07,376
valuable.

6070
04:02:07,376 --> 04:02:08,334
and thank you for looking

6071
04:02:08,334 --> 04:02:08,917
at me. I'm surprised. I did

6072
04:02:08,917 --> 04:02:09,499
not expect to see

6073
04:02:09,499 --> 04:02:10,840
you look at me today, janet.

6074
04:02:10,840 --> 04:02:11,875
all right. We'll, take into

6075
04:02:11,875 --> 04:02:12,583
consideration. And hopefully

6076
04:02:12,583 --> 04:02:13,418
you'll do better next time.

6077
04:02:13,418 --> 04:02:13,625
happy day.

6078
04:02:13,625 --> 04:02:15,875
>>chair, don chaffee: thank

6079
04:02:15,875 --> 04:02:16,875
you, sir.

6080
04:02:16,875 --> 04:02:17,792
all right. This is both a

6081
04:02:17,792 --> 04:02:18,709
county and flood control item.

6082
04:02:18,709 --> 04:02:19,792
it is an all district item.

6083
04:02:19,792 --> 04:02:22,792
>>speaker: I'll move the item.

6084
04:02:23,917 --> 04:02:24,499
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

6085
04:02:24,499 --> 04:02:25,667
objection? Item is approved.

6086
04:02:25,667 --> 04:02:27,711
let's go on to 18 please.

6087
04:02:27,711 --> 04:02:28,463
>>clerk, robin stieler:

6088
04:02:28,463 --> 04:02:29,950
probation - approve amendment 3

6089
04:02:29,950 --> 04:02:29,595
to renew contract

6090
04:02:29,595 --> 04:02:30,306
ma-057-22011069 with waymakers

6091
04:02:30,306 --> 04:02:30,932
for active recidivism reduction

6092
04:02:30,932 --> 04:02:31,598
initiative via engagement

6093
04:02:31,598 --> 04:02:32,226
services, 5/1/26 - 4/30/27

6094
04:02:32,226 --> 04:02:33,186
($329,882; cumulative total

6095
04:02:33,186 --> 04:02:33,979
$1,649,410); and authorize

6096
04:02:33,979 --> 04:02:34,563
county procurement officer or

6097
04:02:34,563 --> 04:02:35,147
deputized designee to execute

6098
04:02:35,147 --> 04:02:36,894
amendment.

6099
04:02:36,894 --> 04:02:38,527
we have no request to speak on

6100
04:02:38,527 --> 04:02:40,527
agenda item 18.

6101
04:02:41,670 --> 04:02:43,467
>>chair, doug chaffee: item 18

6102
04:02:43,499 --> 04:02:45,899
is an all-district item.

6103
04:02:46,126 --> 04:02:47,000
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

6104
04:02:47,000 --> 04:02:48,499
the item.

6105
04:02:48,499 --> 04:02:50,167
>>janet nguyen: second.

6106
04:02:50,167 --> 04:02:51,840
>>chair, doug chaffee: no

6107
04:02:51,840 --> 04:02:52,251
objection item is approved.

6108
04:02:52,251 --> 04:02:52,583
item 19, please.

6109
04:02:52,583 --> 04:02:53,376
>>clerk of the board, robin

6110
04:02:53,376 --> 04:02:55,776
stieler: under social services

6111
04:03:01,499 --> 04:03:02,126
agency - approve increase of

6112
04:03:02,126 --> 04:03:02,750
expenditures for services under

6113
04:03:02,750 --> 04:03:03,499
individual contracts for family

6114
04:03:03,499 --> 04:03:04,251
resource center services, family

6115
04:03:04,251 --> 04:03:04,834
stabilization services and

6116
04:03:04,834 --> 04:03:05,499
differential response-path one

6117
04:03:05,499 --> 04:03:06,251
services, 7/1/25 - 6/30/28

6118
04:03:06,251 --> 04:03:06,834
(aggregate total $1,983,334;

6119
04:03:06,834 --> 04:03:07,499
cumulative aggregate total

6120
04:03:07,499 --> 04:03:08,167
$19,983,334); and authorize

6121
04:03:08,167 --> 04:03:08,750
county procurement officer or

6122
04:03:08,750 --> 04:03:09,499
deputized designee to execute

6123
04:03:09,499 --> 04:03:10,167
individual amendments with

6124
04:03:10,167 --> 04:03:10,792
fifteen family resource centers

6125
04:03:10,792 --> 04:03:11,499
no request to speak on agenda

6126
04:03:11,499 --> 04:03:11,792
item 19.

6127
04:03:11,792 --> 04:03:12,959
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6128
04:03:12,959 --> 04:03:14,418
item 19 is an all district item

6129
04:03:14,418 --> 04:03:15,499
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6130
04:03:15,499 --> 04:03:16,167
move the item.

6131
04:03:16,167 --> 04:03:17,209
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6132
04:03:17,209 --> 04:03:17,917
moved and second.

6133
04:03:17,917 --> 04:03:18,875
any comments?

6134
04:03:18,875 --> 04:03:19,792
seeing none. No objection.

6135
04:03:19,792 --> 04:03:21,792
item is approved.

6136
04:03:25,420 --> 04:03:27,167
let's go on to item 20.

6137
04:03:27,167 --> 04:03:29,499
>>clerk, robin stielr: under

6138
04:03:29,499 --> 04:03:30,459
social services agency - approve

6139
04:03:30,459 --> 04:03:31,625
amendment one to contracts with

6140
04:03:31,625 --> 04:03:33,750
new alternatives inc olive crest

6141
04:03:33,750 --> 04:03:36,150
and south coast children's

6142
04:03:37,420 --> 04:03:38,499
society inc doing business as

6143
04:03:38,499 --> 04:03:39,167
south coast community services

6144
04:03:39,167 --> 04:03:40,209
for wraparound orange county

6145
04:03:40,209 --> 04:03:40,709
direct services. Approve

6146
04:03:40,709 --> 04:03:41,625
amendment 1 to contract with

6147
04:03:41,625 --> 04:03:42,418
family support network for

6148
04:03:42,418 --> 04:03:43,420
wraparound orange county direct

6149
04:03:43,420 --> 04:03:43,834
services and authorized county

6150
04:03:43,834 --> 04:03:46,234
procurement officer of deputized

6151
04:03:46,832 --> 04:03:47,666
designee to accept claims made

6152
04:03:47,666 --> 04:03:49,666
sexual misconduct liability

6153
04:03:50,722 --> 04:03:52,381
insurance under certain

6154
04:03:52,381 --> 04:03:53,382
conditions and execute

6155
04:03:53,382 --> 04:03:55,382
amendments.

6156
04:03:56,132 --> 04:03:56,894
we have no request to speak on

6157
04:03:56,894 --> 04:03:58,500
agenda item 20.

6158
04:03:58,500 --> 04:03:59,292
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6159
04:03:59,292 --> 04:03:59,499
second.

6160
04:03:59,499 --> 04:04:01,499
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6161
04:04:01,930 --> 04:04:02,556
all-district item.

6162
04:04:02,556 --> 04:04:03,875
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6163
04:04:03,875 --> 04:04:04,251
sorry.

6164
04:04:04,251 --> 04:04:06,251
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6165
04:04:10,113 --> 04:04:11,114
and there's no objection

6166
04:04:11,114 --> 04:04:12,115
the item is approved.

6167
04:04:12,115 --> 04:04:13,658
on to 21 please.

6168
04:04:13,658 --> 04:04:14,327
>>clerk, robin stieler: under

6169
04:04:14,327 --> 04:04:15,370
social services - agency approve

6170
04:04:15,370 --> 04:04:15,954
amendment 5 to contract with

6171
04:04:15,954 --> 04:04:16,779
orangewood foundation for

6172
04:04:16,779 --> 04:04:17,407
independent living program

6173
04:04:17,407 --> 04:04:18,320
services and authorized county

6174
04:04:18,320 --> 04:04:18,782
procurement officer or deputized

6175
04:04:18,782 --> 04:04:21,182
designee to execute amendment.

6176
04:04:22,230 --> 04:04:23,583
we have no request to speak on

6177
04:04:23,583 --> 04:04:25,880
agenda item 21.

6178
04:04:25,880 --> 04:04:27,880
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6179
04:04:27,376 --> 04:04:28,499
all-district item.

6180
04:04:28,499 --> 04:04:29,209
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

6181
04:04:29,209 --> 04:04:29,583
the item.

6182
04:04:29,583 --> 04:04:30,418
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved

6183
04:04:30,418 --> 04:04:31,376
and seconded. Any objection?

6184
04:04:31,376 --> 04:04:32,000
seeing none. Item is approved.

6185
04:04:32,000 --> 04:04:34,557
>>clerk of the board, robin

6186
04:04:34,557 --> 04:04:35,183
stieler: under social service

6187
04:04:35,183 --> 04:04:35,808
agency - approve amendment one

6188
04:04:35,808 --> 04:04:36,685
to memorandum of understanding

6189
04:04:36,685 --> 04:04:38,195
with orange county

6190
04:04:38,195 --> 04:04:38,861
superintendent of schools for

6191
04:04:38,861 --> 04:04:39,655
educational support for foster

6192
04:04:39,655 --> 04:04:40,954
youth and authorize county

6193
04:04:40,954 --> 04:04:42,590
procurement officer or

6194
04:04:42,590 --> 04:04:44,827
deputized designee to execute an

6195
04:04:44,827 --> 04:04:46,827
amendment.

6196
04:04:46,992 --> 04:04:48,376
we have no requests speak on

6197
04:04:48,376 --> 04:04:49,334
agenda item 22.

6198
04:04:49,334 --> 04:04:50,840
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6199
04:04:50,840 --> 04:04:50,499
all-district item.

6200
04:04:50,499 --> 04:04:51,251
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6201
04:04:51,251 --> 04:04:52,499
second.

6202
04:04:52,499 --> 04:04:53,292
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have

6203
04:04:53,292 --> 04:04:54,625
seconded. Any objection?

6204
04:04:54,625 --> 04:04:56,334
seeing none. Item is approved.

6205
04:04:56,334 --> 04:04:56,959
let's go on to item 23 please.

6206
04:04:56,959 --> 04:04:57,500
>>clerk of the board, robin

6207
04:04:57,500 --> 04:04:59,500
stieler:

6208
04:05:00,192 --> 04:05:00,986
under executive officer -

6209
04:05:00,986 --> 04:05:01,612
approve recommended positions

6210
04:05:01,612 --> 04:05:03,130
on introduced or amended

6211
04:05:03,130 --> 04:05:04,582
legislation and or consider

6212
04:05:04,582 --> 04:05:05,922
other legislative subject

6213
04:05:05,922 --> 04:05:07,680
matters.

6214
04:05:07,680 --> 04:05:07,694
we have no requests to speak on

6215
04:05:07,694 --> 04:05:08,737
agenda item 23.

6216
04:05:08,737 --> 04:05:09,487
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6217
04:05:09,487 --> 04:05:10,114
all-district item.

6218
04:05:10,114 --> 04:05:10,985
>>clerk of the board, robin

6219
04:05:10,985 --> 04:05:12,700
stieler:

6220
04:05:12,700 --> 04:05:13,260
thank you. Mr. Chairman?

6221
04:05:13,260 --> 04:05:13,789
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

6222
04:05:13,789 --> 04:05:14,451
go ahead.

6223
04:05:14,451 --> 04:05:15,897
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6224
04:05:15,897 --> 04:05:17,105
thank you. I just want

6225
04:05:17,105 --> 04:05:18,106
to highlight a couple items.

6226
04:05:18,106 --> 04:05:19,160
assembly bill 1830 by

6227
04:05:19,160 --> 04:05:20,576
assemblywoman petrie norris

6228
04:05:20,576 --> 04:05:22,976
is an ignition interlock

6229
04:05:23,553 --> 04:05:27,153
devices item to address d and

6230
04:05:28,341 --> 04:05:30,341
bill 76 by lowenthal

6231
04:05:30,715 --> 04:05:31,591
is the parents accountability

6232
04:05:31,591 --> 04:05:33,591
and child protection

6233
04:05:33,875 --> 04:05:35,292
act for restrictions on online

6234
04:05:35,292 --> 04:05:37,692
marketplaces as it relates

6235
04:05:38,499 --> 04:05:39,792
to nitrous oxide and then

6236
04:05:39,792 --> 04:05:41,792
senate bill 1314 minjavar

6237
04:05:43,376 --> 04:05:45,776
another nitrous oxide bill

6238
04:05:47,863 --> 04:05:49,574
regulating smoke shops locations

6239
04:05:49,574 --> 04:05:51,974
hours of operation and

6240
04:05:52,420 --> 04:05:52,917
the sale of nitrous

6241
04:05:52,917 --> 04:05:54,542
oxide. So, really pleased

6242
04:05:54,542 --> 04:05:58,142
to see that this issue is

6243
04:05:58,792 --> 04:05:59,499
finally getting some traction in

6244
04:05:59,499 --> 04:06:00,499
the states because it's

6245
04:06:00,499 --> 04:06:01,418
an important issue.

6246
04:06:01,418 --> 04:06:01,917
thank you. Move the item

6247
04:06:01,917 --> 04:06:03,917
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6248
04:06:04,542 --> 04:06:06,625
and has been seconded. Any

6249
04:06:06,625 --> 04:06:08,499
any objection? Item is

6250
04:06:08,499 --> 04:06:09,126
approved. Item 24, please.

6251
04:06:09,126 --> 04:06:12,126
>>clerk of the board, robin

6252
04:06:12,499 --> 04:06:14,530
stieler: under county executive

6253
04:06:14,530 --> 04:06:15,988
officer - contract with path for

6254
04:06:15,988 --> 04:06:17,473
yale navigation center

6255
04:06:17,473 --> 04:06:18,538
operations and services

6256
04:06:18,538 --> 04:06:19,500
and authorized county

6257
04:06:19,500 --> 04:06:20,126
procurement officer

6258
04:06:20,126 --> 04:06:21,376
deputized designee to exercise

6259
04:06:21,376 --> 04:06:22,542
cost contingency increase not to

6260
04:06:22,542 --> 04:06:23,418
exceed 10 percent under certain

6261
04:06:23,418 --> 04:06:25,418
conditions and execute

6262
04:06:26,459 --> 04:06:28,617
contract we have no request to

6263
04:06:28,617 --> 04:06:31,170
speak on agenda item 24

6264
04:06:31,375 --> 04:06:34,375
>>chair, doug chaffee: 24 is a

6265
04:06:34,917 --> 04:06:36,917
district two item.

6266
04:06:37,709 --> 04:06:38,499
>>vincente sarmiento: I'll move

6267
04:06:38,499 --> 04:06:40,241
the item with comment.

6268
04:06:40,241 --> 04:06:41,240
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved

6269
04:06:41,240 --> 04:06:42,408
and seconded. Supervisor

6270
04:06:42,408 --> 04:06:44,262
nguyen?

6271
04:06:44,262 --> 04:06:45,347
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you

6272
04:06:45,347 --> 04:06:46,564
mr. Chair. I just wanted to

6273
04:06:46,564 --> 04:06:49,564
thank staff for updating the

6274
04:06:50,691 --> 04:06:52,485
performance metrics here. I

6275
04:06:52,485 --> 04:06:54,334
know now path will be operating

6276
04:06:54,334 --> 04:06:54,917
and managing both bridges in

6277
04:06:54,917 --> 04:06:57,750
anaheim and yale in santa ana.

6278
04:06:57,750 --> 04:06:59,420
so this is for the yale contract

6279
04:06:59,420 --> 04:07:00,420
which is, you know, they've been

6280
04:07:00,420 --> 04:07:02,667
they've been operating there. I

6281
04:07:02,667 --> 04:07:03,499
mentioned at the prior board

6282
04:07:03,499 --> 04:07:04,000
meeting the importance of

6283
04:07:04,000 --> 04:07:05,167
tracking how many shelter

6284
04:07:05,167 --> 04:07:08,126
residents are being connected to

6285
04:07:08,126 --> 04:07:08,709
medi-cal given that many are

6286
04:07:08,709 --> 04:07:10,499
likely county medi-cal,

6287
04:07:10,499 --> 04:07:12,667
given that many are likely

6288
04:07:12,667 --> 04:07:14,667
county medi-cal members.

6289
04:07:15,581 --> 04:07:17,981
including this metric is

6290
04:07:19,583 --> 04:07:22,618
an important step to ensure we

6291
04:07:22,618 --> 04:07:23,700
are measuring health care

6292
04:07:23,700 --> 04:07:24,453
coverage access, alongside

6293
04:07:24,453 --> 04:07:25,287
housing outcomes which is

6294
04:07:25,287 --> 04:07:26,246
critical for residents overall

6295
04:07:26,246 --> 04:07:27,538
stability and well-being I look

6296
04:07:27,538 --> 04:07:28,539
forward to seeing how this data

6297
04:07:28,539 --> 04:07:29,602
informs program implementation

6298
04:07:29,602 --> 04:07:30,477
helps guide strategies for

6299
04:07:30,477 --> 04:07:31,230
connecting residents to

6300
04:07:31,230 --> 04:07:32,499
essential health and housing

6301
04:07:32,499 --> 04:07:33,928
services. So this isn't

6302
04:07:33,928 --> 04:07:36,328
just congregate shelter. We're

6303
04:07:37,448 --> 04:07:40,126
looking at you know housing

6304
04:07:40,126 --> 04:07:43,126
options for them, but healthcare

6305
04:07:43,340 --> 04:07:45,668
solutions as well. So I'm

6306
04:07:45,668 --> 04:07:48,668
excited about this. I'm hoping

6307
04:07:49,212 --> 04:07:50,670
that they that path can use

6308
04:07:50,670 --> 04:07:51,671
economies of scale now that

6309
04:07:51,671 --> 04:07:53,672
they're going to be working at

6310
04:07:53,672 --> 04:07:55,377
both county shelters. I know

6311
04:07:55,377 --> 04:07:57,547
that we have a new commissioner

6312
04:07:57,547 --> 04:07:58,839
to the commission to address

6313
04:07:58,839 --> 04:07:59,674
homelessness council, member

6314
04:07:59,674 --> 04:08:01,262
benjamin vasquez, who is

6315
04:08:01,262 --> 04:08:01,970
from santa ana. He's very

6316
04:08:01,970 --> 04:08:03,389
interested in making sure that

6317
04:08:03,389 --> 04:08:04,795
yale continues to be successful

6318
04:08:04,795 --> 04:08:05,796
I know the city has their own

6319
04:08:05,796 --> 04:08:08,552
shelter. So maybe there's some

6320
04:08:08,552 --> 04:08:11,100
learned or shared thoughts that

6321
04:08:11,100 --> 04:08:12,846
both shelters can work with

6322
04:08:12,846 --> 04:08:14,130
and learn from each other

6323
04:08:14,130 --> 04:08:14,932
so with that, mr. Chair, I move.

6324
04:08:14,932 --> 04:08:16,932
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6325
04:08:17,499 --> 04:08:19,499
supervisor nguyen?

6326
04:08:21,564 --> 04:08:23,964
>>janet nguyen: thank you,.

6327
04:08:25,273 --> 04:08:27,701
mr. Chairman. If I may? Some

6328
04:08:27,701 --> 04:08:28,911
of my questions relate

6329
04:08:28,911 --> 04:08:30,780
to 26 as well, mr. Chairman.

6330
04:08:30,780 --> 04:08:32,288
but just -- I mean, I understand

6331
04:08:32,288 --> 04:08:33,456
that path has owner to owner

6332
04:08:33,456 --> 04:08:36,456
operator for yale since 2021 and

6333
04:08:40,214 --> 04:08:42,470
then we're looking at a contract

6334
04:08:42,470 --> 04:08:43,592
of 30 million dollars with 425

6335
04:08:43,592 --> 04:08:47,192
-- 420 -- it's getting late --

6336
04:08:48,919 --> 04:08:51,319
125 emergency shelter beds which

6337
04:08:51,334 --> 04:08:52,709
equates to 10 million a year

6338
04:08:52,709 --> 04:08:55,583
that's 23,500 per bed. And if

6339
04:08:55,583 --> 04:08:58,583
we're going to approve them

6340
04:08:59,625 --> 04:09:01,167
to take over bridges, which

6341
04:09:01,167 --> 04:09:02,499
is in a 60 million dollar

6342
04:09:02,499 --> 04:09:05,499
contract with 200 beds, which is

6343
04:09:05,499 --> 04:09:08,167
about 26,000 per bed. And I

6344
04:09:08,167 --> 04:09:11,499
guess my question for staff is

6345
04:09:11,499 --> 04:09:13,420
has path been effective

6346
04:09:13,420 --> 04:09:16,420
in operating the yale navigation

6347
04:09:18,840 --> 04:09:20,840
center since 2021?

6348
04:09:23,600 --> 04:09:26,309
I have a few other ones too.

6349
04:09:26,309 --> 04:09:29,309
okay. I'm trying to understand,

6350
04:09:31,310 --> 04:09:32,644
like, what is our end goal with

6351
04:09:32,644 --> 04:09:34,229
these shelters? Is our end goal

6352
04:09:34,229 --> 04:09:35,438
getting them off the

6353
04:09:35,438 --> 04:09:37,838
street? Getting them help,

6354
04:09:38,101 --> 04:09:40,353
temporary housing? Getting them

6355
04:09:40,353 --> 04:09:42,251
jobs? What is our end goal?

6356
04:09:42,251 --> 04:09:43,503
because then we can walk

6357
04:09:43,503 --> 04:09:44,545
backwards on how whether we

6358
04:09:44,545 --> 04:09:46,945
are successful or not.

6359
04:09:49,750 --> 04:09:52,150
>>doug beck: yeah, absolutely.

6360
04:09:52,542 --> 04:09:53,376
mr. Chairman and honorable

6361
04:09:53,376 --> 04:09:54,959
board. Doug beck,

6362
04:09:54,959 --> 04:09:55,917
director of the office

6363
04:09:55,917 --> 04:09:57,334
of care coordination.

6364
04:09:57,334 --> 04:09:58,499
to the question about has

6365
04:09:58,499 --> 04:10:01,499
path been successful at yale.

6366
04:10:02,899 --> 04:10:05,299
in the most objective

6367
04:10:07,499 --> 04:10:10,709
way we look at that through the

6368
04:10:10,709 --> 04:10:13,709
outcomes or metrics that we

6369
04:10:15,167 --> 04:10:18,292
outline in the asr and in

6370
04:10:18,292 --> 04:10:19,499
the last, specifically, 24/25

6371
04:10:19,499 --> 04:10:22,499
and you're initial data for

6372
04:10:23,840 --> 04:10:25,840
2025, 2026.

6373
04:10:26,418 --> 04:10:28,840
they're hitting all of our

6374
04:10:28,840 --> 04:10:30,840
outcome performance metrics.

6375
04:10:33,000 --> 04:10:34,167
the one that they're

6376
04:10:34,167 --> 04:10:35,376
challenged with is the

6377
04:10:35,376 --> 04:10:37,376
percentage of individuals.

6378
04:10:37,376 --> 04:10:38,499
going into permanent housing

6379
04:10:38,499 --> 04:10:41,834
when they exit. That one is

6380
04:10:41,834 --> 04:10:44,834
difficult because it is largely

6381
04:10:44,875 --> 04:10:48,475
dictated by the market and the

6382
04:10:49,418 --> 04:10:52,334
operator. Doesn't have as great

6383
04:10:52,334 --> 04:10:54,556
of an impact on the market as

6384
04:10:54,556 --> 04:10:58,309
we'd like them to. So we put

6385
04:10:58,309 --> 04:11:01,309
that goal in there understanding

6386
04:11:01,408 --> 04:11:03,242
that the market is -- that

6387
04:11:03,242 --> 04:11:04,243
housing is highly dictated by

6388
04:11:04,243 --> 04:11:05,202
the market, but continue to

6389
04:11:05,202 --> 04:11:06,203
emphasize the importance that

6390
04:11:06,203 --> 04:11:08,538
people need to be moving from

6391
04:11:08,538 --> 04:11:09,705
the navigation center into

6392
04:11:09,705 --> 04:11:12,705
permanent housing. We have an

6393
04:11:13,391 --> 04:11:15,180
additional that's in the asr and

6394
04:11:15,180 --> 04:11:16,810
that we measure, which gives us

6395
04:11:16,810 --> 04:11:18,353
an understanding of if the

6396
04:11:18,353 --> 04:11:20,187
operator is doing everything in

6397
04:11:20,187 --> 04:11:21,146
their power to get the

6398
04:11:21,146 --> 04:11:23,546
individual ready. And that's

6399
04:11:24,423 --> 04:11:26,301
the metric related to if someone

6400
04:11:26,301 --> 04:11:28,376
is on the coordinated entry

6401
04:11:28,376 --> 04:11:31,976
system list. And path has hit

6402
04:11:35,420 --> 04:11:37,625
that year over year. And I

6403
04:11:37,625 --> 04:11:40,250
believe the expectation is,

6404
04:11:42,500 --> 04:11:45,500
yeah, 85 percent and they've hit

6405
04:11:46,513 --> 04:11:49,513
that. Operating as shelters is

6406
04:11:50,480 --> 04:11:52,230
extremely challenging because

6407
04:11:52,230 --> 04:11:53,358
the purpose of a shelter

6408
04:11:53,358 --> 04:11:55,670
is to get folks into

6409
04:11:55,670 --> 04:11:56,235
permanent housing

6410
04:11:56,235 --> 04:11:57,484
and to be a vehicle out. And

6411
04:11:57,484 --> 04:11:58,820
our metrics here measure

6412
04:11:58,820 --> 04:12:00,486
that but then they've also

6413
04:12:00,486 --> 04:12:01,780
been incredibly they've

6414
04:12:01,780 --> 04:12:03,240
been very successful and

6415
04:12:03,240 --> 04:12:04,489
have continued to improve

6416
04:12:04,489 --> 04:12:05,825
on the way that they just

6417
04:12:05,825 --> 04:12:07,201
maintain the building day

6418
04:12:07,201 --> 04:12:10,668
in and day out providing a

6419
04:12:10,668 --> 04:12:13,668
respectable space for people to

6420
04:12:16,748 --> 04:12:18,499
live with integrity and then

6421
04:12:18,499 --> 04:12:22,990
they've, you know look at them

6422
04:12:22,459 --> 04:12:24,499
day to day on their good

6423
04:12:24,499 --> 04:12:27,499
neighbor how they are in

6424
04:12:28,167 --> 04:12:29,542
regards to ensuring that

6425
04:12:29,542 --> 04:12:31,499
shelter is having a

6426
04:12:31,499 --> 04:12:33,499
minimal impact on the

6427
04:12:33,499 --> 04:12:35,126
neighbors and or a

6428
04:12:35,126 --> 04:12:36,500
minimal negative impact on the

6429
04:12:36,500 --> 04:12:38,126
neighbors and over

6430
04:12:38,126 --> 04:12:39,500
the last year and a half two

6431
04:12:39,500 --> 04:12:41,292
years we've heard

6432
04:12:41,292 --> 04:12:45,126
very little in the terms of from

6433
04:12:45,126 --> 04:12:47,526
complaints from our neighbors

6434
04:12:48,341 --> 04:12:49,300
in and around the yale

6435
04:12:49,300 --> 04:12:50,932
facility in regards to concerns

6436
04:12:50,932 --> 04:12:52,183
about the you know

6437
04:12:52,183 --> 04:12:54,583
impact to local neighborhood

6438
04:12:54,767 --> 04:12:56,519
>>janet nguyen:

6439
04:12:56,519 --> 04:12:57,450
and and and

6440
04:12:57,450 --> 04:12:58,844
I appreciate that.

6441
04:12:58,844 --> 04:13:00,887
I guess for me is looking at the

6442
04:13:00,887 --> 04:13:02,790
matrix right is are we

6443
04:13:02,790 --> 04:13:04,479
accomplishing what we need?

6444
04:13:05,163 --> 04:13:07,496
are we more than in the past?

6445
04:13:07,496 --> 04:13:09,161
are we moving people into jobs?

6446
04:13:09,161 --> 04:13:10,162
are we moving people into

6447
04:13:10,162 --> 04:13:13,162
permanent housing? What is the

6448
04:13:15,860 --> 04:13:18,525
average the length of stay for

6449
04:13:18,525 --> 04:13:21,753
the emergency shelter and how is

6450
04:13:21,753 --> 04:13:23,672
that compared to the intent of

6451
04:13:23,672 --> 04:13:26,720
design of the program.

6452
04:13:31,950 --> 04:13:31,721
>>doug beck: so, I don't have

6453
04:13:31,721 --> 04:13:33,376
the data in front of me,

6454
04:13:33,376 --> 04:13:34,000
although I do have the data, and

6455
04:13:34,000 --> 04:13:36,583
that's why I'll reference it

6456
04:13:36,583 --> 04:13:39,418
here. The length of stay is

6457
04:13:39,418 --> 04:13:41,858
longer than what was originally

6458
04:13:41,858 --> 04:13:43,494
designed for.

6459
04:13:43,494 --> 04:13:44,663
>>janet nguyen: what are we

6460
04:13:44,663 --> 04:13:46,370
looking at?

6461
04:13:46,370 --> 04:13:49,209
>>doug beck: length of stay is

6462
04:13:49,209 --> 04:13:51,630
usually somewhere around,

6463
04:13:51,630 --> 04:13:51,854
I believe, a year and a half to

6464
04:13:51,854 --> 04:13:53,313
two years.

6465
04:13:53,313 --> 04:13:54,529
>>janet nguyen: what were we --

6466
04:13:54,529 --> 04:13:56,866
>>speaker: in an emergency

6467
04:13:56,866 --> 04:13:58,992
shelter, I know the original

6468
04:13:58,992 --> 04:14:01,993
design is no more than 6 to 9

6469
04:14:01,993 --> 04:14:03,994
months. The difficult part is I

6470
04:14:03,994 --> 04:14:06,204
have worked in many

6471
04:14:06,204 --> 04:14:07,497
jurisdictions and that's the

6472
04:14:07,497 --> 04:14:10,164
industry standard. But very few

6473
04:14:10,164 --> 04:14:10,872
communities, or at least

6474
04:14:10,872 --> 04:14:12,500
communities I have worked in,

6475
04:14:12,500 --> 04:14:14,542
are able to hit that and that's

6476
04:14:14,542 --> 04:14:17,625
due to lack of housing to move

6477
04:14:17,625 --> 04:14:19,418
people on. The one thing that's

6478
04:14:19,418 --> 04:14:23,180
very clear two things are clear

6479
04:14:25,249 --> 04:14:28,249
people would still on the

6480
04:14:29,164 --> 04:14:31,227
secrete where we found them.

6481
04:14:31,227 --> 04:14:33,000
and second thing -- and I would

6482
04:14:33,000 --> 04:14:34,210
have to come back to you on the

6483
04:14:34,210 --> 04:14:37,810
exact specifics -- a very high

6484
04:14:38,159 --> 04:14:40,559
majority of individuals that

6485
04:14:42,603 --> 04:14:44,730
leave shelter, straight into

6486
04:14:44,730 --> 04:14:45,773
permanent housing stay there and

6487
04:14:45,773 --> 04:14:49,973
we do not receive them back our

6488
04:14:51,231 --> 04:14:54,231
people stay at a rate

6489
04:14:54,455 --> 04:14:55,832
successfully in their housing

6490
04:14:55,832 --> 04:14:57,750
for at least one year,

6491
04:14:57,750 --> 04:14:59,750
post-placement somewhere

6492
04:15:02,499 --> 04:15:03,459
around 91 and 92 percent

6493
04:15:03,459 --> 04:15:05,499
a year and then two years it's

6494
04:15:05,499 --> 04:15:08,499
about people last in their

6495
04:15:08,547 --> 04:15:09,173
shelter housing system-wide

6496
04:15:09,173 --> 04:15:09,965
not just at our shelter

6497
04:15:09,965 --> 04:15:10,716
82 and 84 percent of the

6498
04:15:10,716 --> 04:15:11,716
people that go into permanent

6499
04:15:11,716 --> 04:15:13,546
housing in our system

6500
04:15:13,546 --> 04:15:16,546
last at least two years

6501
04:15:16,774 --> 04:15:19,441
and then in all fairness

6502
04:15:19,441 --> 04:15:21,272
we don't have the

6503
04:15:21,272 --> 04:15:22,780
metrics past that.

6504
04:15:22,780 --> 04:15:24,780
>>janet nguyen:

6505
04:15:24,817 --> 04:15:28,608
we should track them to see that

6506
04:15:28,608 --> 04:15:29,942
we don't want to see it

6507
04:15:29,942 --> 04:15:31,135
revolving door; right? We don't

6508
04:15:31,135 --> 04:15:33,492
want to see them get into our

6509
04:15:33,492 --> 04:15:35,318
system for a year year and

6510
04:15:35,318 --> 04:15:36,959
a half get out versus getting

6511
04:15:36,959 --> 04:15:38,210
permanent housing, get a job and

6512
04:15:38,210 --> 04:15:40,209
then a year later come back, or

6513
04:15:40,209 --> 04:15:41,750
two years later come back.

6514
04:15:41,750 --> 04:15:44,150
because then something failed

6515
04:15:46,499 --> 04:15:48,899
somewhere in the system.

6516
04:15:52,306 --> 04:15:54,625
failed them and so I think

6517
04:15:54,625 --> 04:15:57,251
we need to find the housing

6518
04:15:57,251 --> 04:15:58,499
first approach is not working,

6519
04:15:58,499 --> 04:15:59,459
has not worked. And so,

6520
04:15:59,459 --> 04:16:00,499
we need more -- do

6521
04:16:00,499 --> 04:16:01,500
-- should we duplicate

6522
04:16:01,500 --> 04:16:03,000
these shelters all over

6523
04:16:03,000 --> 04:16:06,000
the county instead? I'm --

6524
04:16:09,376 --> 04:16:10,251
because, look till this day, I

6525
04:16:10,251 --> 04:16:11,334
still hear it, right? And

6526
04:16:11,334 --> 04:16:12,840
you've heard me.

6527
04:16:12,840 --> 04:16:13,251
I'm preaching to the choir.

6528
04:16:13,251 --> 04:16:13,875
whatever we're doing right now

6529
04:16:13,875 --> 04:16:14,750
is not working in the

6530
04:16:14,750 --> 04:16:15,499
eyes of the residents in our

6531
04:16:15,499 --> 04:16:16,750
county. Because every day it

6532
04:16:16,750 --> 04:16:18,000
doesn't look like it has

6533
04:16:18,000 --> 04:16:18,626
decreased; it looked like it has

6534
04:16:18,626 --> 04:16:21,260
increase. And obvious it

6535
04:16:21,334 --> 04:16:24,334
varies, depends on the cities.

6536
04:16:26,840 --> 04:16:26,875
some of my cities have done

6537
04:16:26,875 --> 04:16:29,499
really well in reducing their

6538
04:16:29,499 --> 04:16:31,251
numbers of homeless individuals,

6539
04:16:31,251 --> 04:16:31,875
others count -- other cities

6540
04:16:31,875 --> 04:16:34,275
have increased. And they're

6541
04:16:37,626 --> 04:16:39,251
next to each other and they're

6542
04:16:39,251 --> 04:16:39,709
actually far from each

6543
04:16:39,709 --> 04:16:40,709
other too. So it's not like one

6544
04:16:40,709 --> 04:16:41,499
moved into the other city next

6545
04:16:41,499 --> 04:16:44,334
door and then that number goes

6546
04:16:44,334 --> 04:16:45,792
up over there. And so I think

6547
04:16:45,792 --> 04:16:47,440
that's where it's it's

6548
04:16:47,440 --> 04:16:48,446
frustrating is that we're

6549
04:16:48,446 --> 04:16:50,625
looking at spending 40 something

6550
04:16:50,625 --> 04:16:51,875
million dollars here. And yet,

6551
04:16:51,875 --> 04:16:54,863
you know, I don't know how we

6552
04:16:54,863 --> 04:16:56,448
can account and say, hey for

6553
04:16:56,448 --> 04:16:58,654
five years those individuals

6554
04:16:58,654 --> 04:16:59,905
have permanent housing. I mean,

6555
04:16:59,905 --> 04:17:01,156
obviously after five years, or

6556
04:17:01,156 --> 04:17:02,488
three years, they should be

6557
04:17:02,488 --> 04:17:04,888
committed. Should work out.

6558
04:17:07,782 --> 04:17:09,150
>>doug beck: I do think the

6559
04:17:09,150 --> 04:17:12,150
numbers are favorable. We can

6560
04:17:12,160 --> 04:17:14,170
look at data to see how many

6561
04:17:14,170 --> 04:17:16,144
people we have placed into

6562
04:17:16,144 --> 04:17:17,437
permanent housing from bridges

6563
04:17:17,437 --> 04:17:20,437
and yale. That have returned

6564
04:17:20,772 --> 04:17:22,689
back to bridges and yale. And I

6565
04:17:22,689 --> 04:17:24,190
think, you know, from my

6566
04:17:24,190 --> 04:17:25,650
understanding, tha number is

6567
04:17:25,650 --> 04:17:27,984
very low. But we can look into

6568
04:17:27,984 --> 04:17:28,873
that and share that with the

6569
04:17:28,873 --> 04:17:29,918
board if that's of interest.

6570
04:17:29,918 --> 04:17:30,584
>>janet nguyen: yeah that would

6571
04:17:30,584 --> 04:17:31,711
be helpful. And I think if this

6572
04:17:31,711 --> 04:17:34,111
is other navigation centers

6573
04:17:35,133 --> 04:17:37,134
around that the county is

6574
04:17:37,134 --> 04:17:38,803
helping to fund, I think that

6575
04:17:38,803 --> 04:17:40,130
would be helpful for us to see

6576
04:17:40,130 --> 04:17:42,352
those numbers, as well.

6577
04:17:42,352 --> 04:17:44,353
because if one is extremely

6578
04:17:44,353 --> 04:17:46,522
successful, and if one isn't

6579
04:17:46,522 --> 04:17:48,814
then we need to help more.

6580
04:17:48,814 --> 04:17:50,814
thank you.

6581
04:17:51,206 --> 04:17:52,207
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6582
04:17:52,207 --> 04:17:54,830
supervisor sarmiento?

6583
04:17:54,830 --> 04:17:55,499
>>vincente sarmiento: yes,

6584
04:17:55,499 --> 04:17:56,790
thank you mr. Chairman. I just

6585
04:17:56,790 --> 04:17:57,875
want to, you I think the

6586
04:17:57,875 --> 04:17:59,409
question that the questions

6587
04:17:59,409 --> 04:18:01,340
supervisors are asking are

6588
04:18:01,340 --> 04:18:02,703
really important because they're

6589
04:18:02,703 --> 04:18:03,871
fundamental and pro found at the

6590
04:18:03,871 --> 04:18:05,872
same time like is this working.

6591
04:18:05,872 --> 04:18:09,260
and I think we always want to --

6592
04:18:09,260 --> 04:18:11,639
and I think it's beyond, sort

6593
04:18:11,639 --> 04:18:13,228
of, the scope almost of you

6594
04:18:13,228 --> 04:18:15,845
know, the item before you us

6595
04:18:15,845 --> 04:18:17,971
because we're finding somebody

6596
04:18:17,971 --> 04:18:20,950
to operate the shelter we were

6597
04:18:20,950 --> 04:18:22,361
talking about at the commission

6598
04:18:22,361 --> 04:18:24,487
to address homelessness was we

6599
04:18:24,487 --> 04:18:25,820
have plenty of people who are at

6600
04:18:25,820 --> 04:18:27,738
the shelter ready to leave so

6601
04:18:27,738 --> 04:18:29,657
they're hitting the ces **3

6602
04:18:29,657 --> 04:18:31,739
numbers and we just don't have

6603
04:18:31,739 --> 04:18:34,750
the inventory to place them in

6604
04:18:34,750 --> 04:18:37,750
in order to graduate into

6605
04:18:37,825 --> 04:18:40,225
permanent supportive housing as

6606
04:18:41,743 --> 04:18:44,244
an option, looking at how do we

6607
04:18:44,244 --> 04:18:46,644
fund projects do hotel

6608
04:18:48,790 --> 04:18:50,875
conversions invest in adus and

6609
04:18:50,875 --> 04:18:52,418
these didn't things. I want to

6610
04:18:52,418 --> 04:18:55,418
go back, what the supervisor

6611
04:18:56,420 --> 04:18:59,420
said whatever we're doing isn't

6612
04:18:59,792 --> 04:19:02,499
optimal. I don't think it's a

6613
04:19:02,499 --> 04:19:04,376
function of us not doing

6614
04:19:04,376 --> 04:19:07,792
anything wrong but we have to

6615
04:19:07,792 --> 04:19:10,459
look at other options congregate

6616
04:19:10,459 --> 04:19:12,859
shelters optimum 6 to 9 months

6617
04:19:13,167 --> 04:19:14,500
and permanent supportive housing

6618
04:19:14,500 --> 04:19:17,500
which costs 7 to 800,000 a unit

6619
04:19:21,500 --> 04:19:22,875
labors and materials, and they

6620
04:19:22,875 --> 04:19:25,959
cost 18 to 2 stand up a single

6621
04:19:25,959 --> 04:19:28,750
unit those are at polar opposite

6622
04:19:28,750 --> 04:19:30,292
of the spectrum of housing. So

6623
04:19:30,292 --> 04:19:32,499
this missing gaping middle which

6624
04:19:32,499 --> 04:19:34,459
is a transitional housing, which

6625
04:19:34,459 --> 04:19:36,542
small scale housing could help

6626
04:19:36,542 --> 04:19:39,542
solve, because they cost 60 to

6627
04:19:41,292 --> 04:19:43,692
$100,000 a unit. They're small

6628
04:19:43,834 --> 04:19:47,499
in size so they can be stood up

6629
04:19:47,499 --> 04:19:50,418
in probably nor no more than six

6630
04:19:50,418 --> 04:19:51,875
months and they're easy to put

6631
04:19:51,875 --> 04:19:53,167
together and they're not

6632
04:19:53,167 --> 04:19:54,500
long-term housing, they're

6633
04:19:54,500 --> 04:19:55,875
temporary housing but that is

6634
04:19:55,875 --> 04:19:57,834
that place that people can

6635
04:19:57,834 --> 04:19:59,834
graduate from emergency shelters

6636
04:19:59,834 --> 04:20:01,499
are into the transition from

6637
04:20:01,499 --> 04:20:02,667
transitional into permanent

6638
04:20:02,667 --> 04:20:04,334
supportive housing as permanent

6639
04:20:04,334 --> 04:20:05,499
supportive housing is being

6640
04:20:05,499 --> 04:20:07,000
built so it gives you at least

6641
04:20:07,000 --> 04:20:09,625
this conveyance, I guess, of

6642
04:20:09,625 --> 04:20:12,251
getting folks into those units

6643
04:20:12,251 --> 04:20:14,334
that take a long time that are

6644
04:20:14,334 --> 04:20:16,126
really expense 55. I'm glad

6645
04:20:16,126 --> 04:20:17,292
we're looking at that. The

6646
04:20:17,292 --> 04:20:18,875
other thing we're looking at is

6647
04:20:18,875 --> 04:20:21,499
just prevention. The more we

6648
04:20:21,499 --> 04:20:23,499
can prevent people from falling

6649
04:20:23,499 --> 04:20:25,251
into homelessness and the ending

6650
04:20:25,251 --> 04:20:27,499
up in one of our shelters that

6651
04:20:27,499 --> 04:20:30,376
pays off in the long run because

6652
04:20:30,376 --> 04:20:31,625
we don't have to put them in the

6653
04:20:31,625 --> 04:20:33,792
whole cycle we can keep them

6654
04:20:33,792 --> 04:20:35,499
housed and invest in that,

6655
04:20:35,499 --> 04:20:37,625
that's a really good thing. I'm

6656
04:20:37,625 --> 04:20:39,875
not savings this to abandon

6657
04:20:39,875 --> 04:20:41,709
investment in permanent

6658
04:20:41,709 --> 04:20:42,792
supportive housing I think we

6659
04:20:42,792 --> 04:20:44,499
need to augment it with these

6660
04:20:44,499 --> 04:20:45,875
other two things because you

6661
04:20:45,875 --> 04:20:49,126
know as you know, the front door

6662
04:20:49,126 --> 04:20:51,459
keeps getting full, the back

6663
04:20:51,459 --> 04:20:53,500
door, the exit is really limited

6664
04:20:53,500 --> 04:20:54,959
and you know we just don't have

6665
04:20:54,959 --> 04:20:56,499
a lot of people or a lot of

6666
04:20:56,499 --> 04:20:59,499
inventory to, you know, put

6667
04:21:00,251 --> 04:21:01,542
people in those permanent

6668
04:21:01,542 --> 04:21:03,667
supportive units. So, I just

6669
04:21:03,667 --> 04:21:05,420
wanted to kind of fill that out.

6670
04:21:05,420 --> 04:21:06,959
I think with path they're doing

6671
04:21:06,959 --> 04:21:09,126
as well as they could, given

6672
04:21:09,126 --> 04:21:12,126
that huge barrier, like getting

6673
04:21:14,251 --> 04:21:17,499
people on to -- into units

6674
04:21:17,499 --> 04:21:20,167
permanent supportive units so I

6675
04:21:20,167 --> 04:21:22,959
don't -- you know, defend them

6676
04:21:22,959 --> 04:21:25,917
nor -- kind of agnostic given

6677
04:21:25,917 --> 04:21:27,499
what the limitations are and

6678
04:21:27,499 --> 04:21:29,251
inventory available of housing

6679
04:21:29,251 --> 04:21:31,209
but I do think we need to look

6680
04:21:31,209 --> 04:21:32,667
at small scale option,

6681
04:21:32,667 --> 04:21:34,667
prevention, and continue

6682
04:21:35,251 --> 04:21:37,000
investing in perm enhancement

6683
04:21:37,000 --> 04:21:39,000
supportive.

6684
04:21:39,251 --> 04:21:40,500
>>speaker: all options outside

6685
04:21:40,500 --> 04:21:42,499
of the shelter will make our

6686
04:21:42,499 --> 04:21:44,899
shelters more successful. Yeah.

6687
04:21:49,376 --> 04:21:49,959
>>chair, doug chaffee: vice

6688
04:21:49,959 --> 04:21:50,459
chair foley.

6689
04:21:50,459 --> 04:21:51,000
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6690
04:21:51,000 --> 04:21:52,499
thank you mr. Chairman what I

6691
04:21:52,499 --> 04:21:54,000
was really pleased about

6692
04:21:54,000 --> 04:21:56,167
mr. Beck was when we tacked and

6693
04:21:56,167 --> 04:21:57,499
when I read the report was to

6694
04:21:57,499 --> 04:22:01,990
see that the past case managers

6695
04:22:03,459 --> 04:22:05,542
are doing a good job of getting

6696
04:22:05,542 --> 04:22:08,840
the residents in the shelter all

6697
04:22:08,840 --> 04:22:10,167
paperwork everything teed up so

6698
04:22:10,167 --> 04:22:11,709
that when a unit becomes

6699
04:22:11,709 --> 04:22:13,126
available they're at the ready

6700
04:22:13,126 --> 04:22:14,667
as you know we have had many

6701
04:22:14,667 --> 04:22:16,542
meetings over the last couple of

6702
04:22:16,542 --> 04:22:18,542
years where some of our housing

6703
04:22:18,542 --> 04:22:20,420
providers have been complaining

6704
04:22:20,420 --> 04:22:21,209
this we didn't have people ready

6705
04:22:21,209 --> 04:22:23,542
to go and so then they would say

6706
04:22:23,542 --> 04:22:25,292
hey we have a housing unit

6707
04:22:25,292 --> 04:22:27,292
available and unfortunately

6708
04:22:28,499 --> 04:22:30,626
they're not ready because they

6709
04:22:30,626 --> 04:22:33,209
don't have, you know, a social

6710
04:22:33,209 --> 04:22:34,959
security card or they didn't

6711
04:22:34,959 --> 04:22:36,876
fill out some piece of paper or

6712
04:22:36,876 --> 04:22:39,251
they don't have their pay stubs

6713
04:22:39,251 --> 04:22:42,750
so now that we have path doing

6714
04:22:42,750 --> 04:22:44,750
such a good job of getting -- I

6715
04:22:44,750 --> 04:22:46,251
think what was of the number?

6716
04:22:46,251 --> 04:22:48,376
more than 80% of the people are

6717
04:22:48,376 --> 04:22:50,499
teed up and ready to go that's

6718
04:22:50,499 --> 04:22:52,500
going help us to reduce the

6719
04:22:52,500 --> 04:22:54,334
bottleneck if you will.

6720
04:22:54,334 --> 04:22:55,499
additionally, as it relates to

6721
04:22:55,499 --> 04:22:57,499
the shelters and to the progress

6722
04:22:57,499 --> 04:23:00,499
we have made, look, we're always

6723
04:23:00,499 --> 04:23:01,917
going to be challenged to do

6724
04:23:01,917 --> 04:23:04,625
more and to do better. And I

6725
04:23:04,625 --> 04:23:07,499
support that. But I remember

6726
04:23:07,499 --> 04:23:10,292
six years ago, when I would dish

6727
04:23:10,292 --> 04:23:12,542
was in a long trial, 28 day

6728
04:23:12,542 --> 04:23:14,709
trial in the court hours and

6729
04:23:14,709 --> 04:23:16,542
every day I would walk in with

6730
04:23:16,542 --> 04:23:18,750
my client and walk through the

6731
04:23:18,750 --> 04:23:21,834
courtyard of flags, and I would

6732
04:23:21,834 --> 04:23:24,126
tell my clients just look

6733
04:23:24,126 --> 04:23:26,376
straight ahead and hold your

6734
04:23:26,376 --> 04:23:28,420
breath. Because you would walk

6735
04:23:28,420 --> 04:23:29,959
through this area and it was

6736
04:23:29,959 --> 04:23:32,959
just wreaking with vomit and

6737
04:23:34,750 --> 04:23:36,875
urine and people were living in

6738
04:23:36,875 --> 04:23:39,209
encamping right at the

6739
04:23:39,209 --> 04:23:40,750
courthouse. That's not there

6740
04:23:40,750 --> 04:23:42,750
anymore. I remember around that

6741
04:23:42,750 --> 04:23:44,500
same time period, there were

6742
04:23:44,500 --> 04:23:46,834
people living all up-and-down

6743
04:23:46,834 --> 04:23:48,792
the riverbed. That's not

6744
04:23:48,792 --> 04:23:51,192
happening anymore. I also

6745
04:23:51,418 --> 04:23:53,792
remember when I was mayor of

6746
04:23:53,792 --> 04:23:55,499
costa mesa you could not go to

6747
04:23:55,499 --> 04:23:58,500
the park at the lion's park

6748
04:23:58,500 --> 04:24:00,499
where we have one of our

6749
04:24:00,499 --> 04:24:02,499
beautiful libraries, the donald

6750
04:24:02,499 --> 04:24:04,499
-- library which is the county

6751
04:24:04,499 --> 04:24:05,667
library, that's not happening

6752
04:24:05,667 --> 04:24:07,667
anymore. Now do we still have

6753
04:24:07,667 --> 04:24:08,709
pockets where people are trying

6754
04:24:08,709 --> 04:24:11,917
to encamp? Yes we do. And we

6755
04:24:11,917 --> 04:24:13,000
will continue to address that

6756
04:24:13,000 --> 04:24:15,418
and continue to get out and give

6757
04:24:15,418 --> 04:24:16,209
services and continue to get

6758
04:24:16,209 --> 04:24:19,000
people into the shelters or into

6759
04:24:19,000 --> 04:24:21,400
recuperative care or permanent

6760
04:24:21,459 --> 04:24:22,959
supportive housing or maybe

6761
04:24:22,959 --> 04:24:24,209
reconnect them with their

6762
04:24:24,209 --> 04:24:26,420
families. But we have made a

6763
04:24:26,420 --> 04:24:27,459
lot of progress in the system of

6764
04:24:27,459 --> 04:24:30,459
care, and housing and focusing

6765
04:24:30,499 --> 04:24:33,499
on housing, the housing first

6766
04:24:33,792 --> 04:24:36,500
model, in my opinion, does work.

6767
04:24:36,500 --> 04:24:39,840
because you cannot treat people

6768
04:24:39,840 --> 04:24:42,840
who are struggling, who are

6769
04:24:43,499 --> 04:24:45,500
under the influence, who have

6770
04:24:45,500 --> 04:24:47,418
mental health issues, maybe they

6771
04:24:47,418 --> 04:24:48,834
need medication, they're not

6772
04:24:48,834 --> 04:24:51,209
stable. You county treat them

6773
04:24:51,209 --> 04:24:52,625
consistently. You county care

6774
04:24:52,625 --> 04:24:55,750
for them if they're not under

6775
04:24:55,750 --> 04:24:57,459
roof. And housing first

6776
04:24:57,459 --> 04:24:58,625
includes the shelter. You know,

6777
04:24:58,625 --> 04:25:01,709
that is housing. And, so, from

6778
04:25:01,709 --> 04:25:04,499
my perspective, it does work

6779
04:25:04,499 --> 04:25:05,792
because we're able to treat

6780
04:25:05,792 --> 04:25:08,251
people. We're able to get them

6781
04:25:08,251 --> 04:25:09,500
all of the paperwork that they

6782
04:25:09,500 --> 04:25:11,499
need. We're able to help them

6783
04:25:11,499 --> 04:25:14,251
get to the next place if they're

6784
04:25:14,251 --> 04:25:16,126
housed. And a shelter is a

6785
04:25:16,126 --> 04:25:19,000
housing from the temporary time

6786
04:25:19,000 --> 04:25:21,209
being. So, I really believe

6787
04:25:21,209 --> 04:25:23,167
that path has made a lot of

6788
04:25:23,167 --> 04:25:25,209
progress. When I was

6789
04:25:25,209 --> 04:25:26,334
representing district two, you

6790
04:25:26,334 --> 04:25:27,667
know, I was the one calling all

6791
04:25:27,667 --> 04:25:29,625
the time complaining because the

6792
04:25:29,625 --> 04:25:32,499
businesses around the area were

6793
04:25:32,499 --> 04:25:33,792
complaining and there is a lot

6794
04:25:33,792 --> 04:25:35,499
of progress that has been made

6795
04:25:35,499 --> 04:25:38,209
to reduce the ancillary impact

6796
04:25:38,209 --> 04:25:40,251
and ensure that we're good

6797
04:25:40,251 --> 04:25:41,667
neighbors. So I'm fine to

6798
04:25:41,667 --> 04:25:45,267
support this item. I will say,

6799
04:25:45,499 --> 04:25:47,499
we can make all this progress.

6800
04:25:47,499 --> 04:25:49,583
we can't control external

6801
04:25:49,583 --> 04:25:52,583
factors, like funding cuts to

6802
04:25:53,334 --> 04:25:55,734
health care, like, premium

6803
04:25:56,209 --> 04:25:58,609
increases, cost of living

6804
04:25:59,376 --> 04:26:01,499
increases. Gas increases. We

6805
04:26:01,499 --> 04:26:03,126
can't control all of those

6806
04:26:03,126 --> 04:26:04,583
external factors that contribute

6807
04:26:04,583 --> 04:26:07,000
to why some people become

6808
04:26:07,000 --> 04:26:08,667
homeless. So, we can only do

6809
04:26:08,667 --> 04:26:11,834
what we have control over. And

6810
04:26:11,834 --> 04:26:13,499
so, I think do think we're

6811
04:26:13,499 --> 04:26:14,834
building out a system of care

6812
04:26:14,834 --> 04:26:16,542
and building up permanent

6813
04:26:16,542 --> 04:26:17,542
supportive housing and we're

6814
04:26:17,542 --> 04:26:18,899
doing a good job. With that.

6815
04:26:18,899 --> 04:26:19,734
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

6816
04:26:19,734 --> 04:26:21,153
you if I may make a few

6817
04:26:21,153 --> 04:26:23,553
comments. As supervisor nguyen

6818
04:26:23,696 --> 04:26:26,238
points out the cost is about

6819
04:26:26,238 --> 04:26:29,238
23,800 per year per bed, about,

6820
04:26:29,584 --> 04:26:31,375
that was my calculation too.

6821
04:26:31,375 --> 04:26:32,999
the concern is 93% of that money

6822
04:26:32,999 --> 04:26:34,792
is coming out of our already

6823
04:26:34,792 --> 04:26:37,192
stretched general fund. And,

6824
04:26:37,709 --> 04:26:39,626
so, that leads back to something

6825
04:26:39,626 --> 04:26:41,999
that works better called

6826
04:26:41,999 --> 04:26:43,334
prevention, it's a fraction of

6827
04:26:43,334 --> 04:26:45,250
the cost if we can do that, as

6828
04:26:45,250 --> 04:26:47,709
some of our pilot programs are

6829
04:26:47,709 --> 04:26:49,876
demonstrating keeping people out

6830
04:26:49,876 --> 04:26:52,334
of the trauma in the first place

6831
04:26:52,334 --> 04:26:55,934
is an aside benefit besides the

6832
04:26:56,167 --> 04:26:59,167
cost maybe being 10 to 15% what

6833
04:27:00,125 --> 04:27:01,834
it is to keep the person in the

6834
04:27:01,834 --> 04:27:02,999
shelter for a year. I would

6835
04:27:02,999 --> 04:27:05,709


6836
04:27:05,709 --> 04:27:08,709
neighbor policy that path must

6837
04:27:09,167 --> 04:27:11,500
follow it's important we keep

6838
04:27:11,500 --> 04:27:12,459
good relationships in the

6839
04:27:12,459 --> 04:27:13,709
neighborhood and not have

6840
04:27:13,709 --> 04:27:15,959
loitering or other trash thrown

6841
04:27:15,959 --> 04:27:17,876
around, all that, then we also

6842
04:27:17,876 --> 04:27:19,999
have county standards of care

6843
04:27:19,999 --> 04:27:21,125
that they must follow as well.

6844
04:27:21,125 --> 04:27:23,667
and they do a good job on that.

6845
04:27:23,667 --> 04:27:27,209
so, one issue that I have is

6846
04:27:27,209 --> 04:27:29,667
when we have people staying in

6847
04:27:29,667 --> 04:27:31,500
the shelter, seems like forever

6848
04:27:31,500 --> 04:27:34,209
sometimes, and then we have an

6849
04:27:34,209 --> 04:27:35,999
affordable housing project that

6850
04:27:35,999 --> 04:27:38,500
goes online. I'm wondering if

6851
04:27:38,500 --> 04:27:40,000
we can't require that that new

6852
04:27:40,000 --> 04:27:42,400
project that's going online,

6853
04:27:42,500 --> 04:27:46,100
give some part of its available

6854
04:27:46,999 --> 04:27:48,000
units to people who are already

6855
04:27:48,000 --> 04:27:49,751
in a shelter. Do we have an

6856
04:27:49,751 --> 04:27:52,209
ability to give the shelter

6857
04:27:52,209 --> 04:27:54,584
population priority in some of

6858
04:27:54,584 --> 04:27:56,984
these projects, irrespective of

6859
04:27:57,334 --> 04:27:58,792
where that project may be

6860
04:27:58,792 --> 04:28:00,667
located? I know the cities tend

6861
04:28:00,667 --> 04:28:03,667
to upon to limit coming to a

6862
04:28:03,667 --> 04:28:06,626
shelter, that they're in their

6863
04:28:06,626 --> 04:28:08,830
city but we're providing

6864
04:28:08,830 --> 04:28:09,751
funding. Can we come in here

6865
04:28:09,751 --> 04:28:11,125
and help some of our people who

6866
04:28:11,125 --> 04:28:14,125
are in the shelter get housing

6867
04:28:14,125 --> 04:28:16,584
in a new project that's coming

6868
04:28:16,584 --> 04:28:17,999
online.

6869
04:28:17,999 --> 04:28:18,999
>>doug beck: we -- so many

6870
04:28:18,999 --> 04:28:20,542
projects due to their funding

6871
04:28:20,542 --> 04:28:24,142
require -- into the system for

6872
04:28:33,542 --> 04:28:35,626
that coordinated system is

6873
04:28:35,626 --> 04:28:38,626
orange continuum of care this

6874
04:28:38,918 --> 04:28:40,999
is one priority given to folks

6875
04:28:40,999 --> 04:28:42,667
that were in shelter, that

6876
04:28:42,667 --> 04:28:45,667
priority has been taken away.

6877
04:28:47,250 --> 04:28:50,334
one of the main reasons is it's

6878
04:28:50,334 --> 04:28:52,500
that it was -- there were

6879
04:28:52,500 --> 04:28:54,667
people, not a large amount, so

6880
04:28:54,667 --> 04:28:57,500
most of the -- most of the

6881
04:28:57,500 --> 04:29:00,500
revels from the go towards

6882
04:29:01,999 --> 04:29:04,125
housing are from shelters high

6883
04:29:04,125 --> 04:29:06,459
majority the reason is there is

6884
04:29:06,459 --> 04:29:10,659
work that needs to be done in

6885
04:29:11,250 --> 04:29:12,709
order to be ready to accept

6886
04:29:12,709 --> 04:29:13,999
referral and housing one of the

6887
04:29:13,999 --> 04:29:16,876
ways do that is working with a

6888
04:29:16,876 --> 04:29:18,999
case manager this's where the

6889
04:29:18,999 --> 04:29:20,417
shelter has a real advantage.

6890
04:29:20,417 --> 04:29:22,918
there is a small subset of

6891
04:29:22,918 --> 04:29:24,626
people on the street that we

6892
04:29:24,626 --> 04:29:26,626
have been able to successfully

6893
04:29:26,626 --> 04:29:28,417
house that have said if they're

6894
04:29:28,417 --> 04:29:29,417
unemployment going into a

6895
04:29:29,417 --> 04:29:31,334
shelter, specifically, some of

6896
04:29:31,334 --> 04:29:34,830
our larger shelters but are

6897
04:29:34,830 --> 04:29:37,125
willing to work with us, towards

6898
04:29:37,125 --> 04:29:39,626
housing, but they just don't

6899
04:29:39,626 --> 04:29:40,999
want to go into the shelter, we

6900
04:29:40,999 --> 04:29:42,667
have been able to successful of

6901
04:29:42,667 --> 04:29:45,375
house some of those folks. So,

6902
04:29:45,375 --> 04:29:48,542
the challenge is there are a lot

6903
04:29:48,542 --> 04:29:50,834
of competing needs or a lot of

6904
04:29:50,834 --> 04:29:52,834
competing entities. Because

6905
04:29:56,209 --> 04:29:59,209
they're, you know, coc would

6906
04:29:59,792 --> 04:30:00,999
have to consider whether or not

6907
04:30:00,999 --> 04:30:02,417
that would be specific to county

6908
04:30:02,417 --> 04:30:04,292
shelters or specific to city

6909
04:30:04,292 --> 04:30:06,334
shelter, or things to that

6910
04:30:06,334 --> 04:30:09,334
nature. We have seen our

6911
04:30:09,999 --> 04:30:12,999
quickest and most impactful time

6912
04:30:12,999 --> 04:30:14,834
of getting people into housing

6913
04:30:14,834 --> 04:30:17,792
through this policy of not

6914
04:30:17,792 --> 04:30:20,292
having a specific requirement or

6915
04:30:20,292 --> 04:30:22,751
a preference for shelter. Just

6916
04:30:22,751 --> 04:30:24,250
because we don't -- and I'll

6917
04:30:24,250 --> 04:30:25,999
state it again, just because we

6918
04:30:25,999 --> 04:30:27,209
don't have that preference for

6919
04:30:27,209 --> 04:30:29,751
shelter doesn't mean the high

6920
04:30:29,751 --> 04:30:30,999
majority of people that go into

6921
04:30:30,999 --> 04:30:33,459
and get selected for housing

6922
04:30:33,459 --> 04:30:35,167
aren't from a shelter.

6923
04:30:35,167 --> 04:30:35,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

6924
04:30:35,999 --> 04:30:36,876
you. You know, the problem with

6925
04:30:36,876 --> 04:30:39,876
the people living at the shelter

6926
04:30:39,876 --> 04:30:42,167
a year and a half two years

6927
04:30:42,167 --> 04:30:44,334
there is no place to go I hope

6928
04:30:44,334 --> 04:30:46,125
if we're funding some of these

6929
04:30:46,125 --> 04:30:47,999
new affordable housing projects

6930
04:30:47,999 --> 04:30:49,830
they may have first opportunity

6931
04:30:49,830 --> 04:30:50,999
to qualifiy. That's where I

6932
04:30:50,999 --> 04:30:52,417
think it would be a good way to

6933
04:30:52,417 --> 04:30:54,420
go. Because part of the goal of

6934
04:30:54,420 --> 04:30:55,584
the shelter care is to prepare

6935
04:30:55,584 --> 04:30:57,292
them for housing.

6936
04:30:57,292 --> 04:30:58,709
>>speaker: so, I should also

6937
04:30:58,709 --> 04:31:01,709
clarify, the main criteria for

6938
04:31:02,918 --> 04:31:04,626
prioritizing people is the

6939
04:31:04,626 --> 04:31:07,626
length of homelessness so if

6940
04:31:08,209 --> 04:31:09,999
someone has a long length of

6941
04:31:09,999 --> 04:31:11,834
stay in the shelter they're

6942
04:31:11,834 --> 04:31:12,999
going to be matched to an

6943
04:31:12,999 --> 04:31:15,167
opportunity. So, yes, the goal

6944
04:31:15,167 --> 04:31:17,709
is absolutely to move people as

6945
04:31:17,709 --> 04:31:18,999
quickly through these shelters

6946
04:31:18,999 --> 04:31:20,167
as possible.

6947
04:31:20,167 --> 04:31:20,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

6948
04:31:20,999 --> 04:31:24,599
well, you heard where I'm at.

6949
04:31:26,000 --> 04:31:26,334
yeah.

6950
04:31:26,334 --> 04:31:27,209
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6951
04:31:27,209 --> 04:31:28,679
supervisor nguyen.

6952
04:31:28,679 --> 04:31:29,472
>>janet nguyen: thank you

6953
04:31:29,472 --> 04:31:30,782
mr. Chairman. What I'm hearing

6954
04:31:30,782 --> 04:31:32,616
is prevention transitional

6955
04:31:32,616 --> 04:31:34,657
housing is needed. What I'm

6956
04:31:34,657 --> 04:31:35,991
also hearing is our emergency

6957
04:31:35,991 --> 04:31:37,931
shelters are not delivering

6958
04:31:37,931 --> 04:31:39,626
enough to self-sufficiency

6959
04:31:39,626 --> 04:31:42,000
because you know how are

6960
04:31:42,000 --> 04:31:43,584
becoming operating as a

6961
04:31:43,584 --> 04:31:44,999
long-term transitional shelter.

6962
04:31:44,999 --> 04:31:46,999
is that what I'm hearing?

6963
04:31:46,999 --> 04:31:49,399
because it's not emergency

6964
04:31:50,209 --> 04:31:52,999
shelter anymore. It is now a

6965
04:31:52,999 --> 04:31:55,399
one-year, you know, two-year

6966
04:31:58,999 --> 04:32:00,667
transitional housing.

6967
04:32:00,667 --> 04:32:01,459
>>doug beck: that's one of the

6968
04:32:01,459 --> 04:32:03,999
challenges is when we don't have

6969
04:32:03,999 --> 04:32:05,500
somewhere to place someone, they

6970
04:32:05,500 --> 04:32:07,584
sit longer. And now the

6971
04:32:07,584 --> 04:32:10,584
function of the shelter changes

6972
04:32:10,584 --> 04:32:14,125
from an immediate, you know, an

6973
04:32:14,125 --> 04:32:15,999
emergency shelter, to your

6974
04:32:15,999 --> 04:32:19,500
point, to almost means more of a

6975
04:32:19,500 --> 04:32:20,918
transitional opportunity.

6976
04:32:20,918 --> 04:32:21,999
>>janet nguyen: but it also,

6977
04:32:21,999 --> 04:32:24,100
though, shows to -- I mean, at

6978
04:32:24,100 --> 04:32:27,542
least to me, is that we -- if

6979
04:32:27,542 --> 04:32:29,500
we're in an emerge shelter we're

6980
04:32:29,500 --> 04:32:31,499
not really operating in terms of

6981
04:32:31,499 --> 04:32:33,251
helping these individuals to

6982
04:32:33,251 --> 04:32:35,418
get, you know, education, to get

6983
04:32:35,418 --> 04:32:37,542
a job, other than, you know, it

6984
04:32:37,542 --> 04:32:40,420
also depends on their job,

6985
04:32:40,420 --> 04:32:41,834
right? You can move them into

6986
04:32:41,834 --> 04:32:44,167
the next housing phase but what

6987
04:32:44,167 --> 04:32:45,583
kind of housing are we talking

6988
04:32:45,583 --> 04:32:47,420
about? Because if they're not

6989
04:32:47,420 --> 04:32:48,750
able to keep a job or to get

6990
04:32:48,750 --> 04:32:51,792
their kids in school to get a

6991
04:32:51,792 --> 04:32:52,959
baby-sitter how are they going

6992
04:32:52,959 --> 04:32:54,959
to move out even after that? I

6993
04:32:54,959 --> 04:32:57,459
mean, what -- you know, auto a

6994
04:32:57,459 --> 04:32:59,418
long-term goal. With what we

6995
04:32:59,418 --> 04:33:00,750
currently have, it's just

6996
04:33:00,750 --> 04:33:03,150
temporary -- literally just

6997
04:33:03,709 --> 04:33:04,959
temporary should be temporary

6998
04:33:04,959 --> 04:33:07,126
but it's becoming a very long

6999
04:33:07,126 --> 04:33:08,499
temporary system.

7000
04:33:08,499 --> 04:33:09,459
>>doug beck: yes. And we do

7001
04:33:09,459 --> 04:33:11,499
have case managers there that

7002
04:33:11,499 --> 04:33:12,750
help in those regards. And I

7003
04:33:12,750 --> 04:33:14,625
would argue that is why one of

7004
04:33:14,625 --> 04:33:16,459
the metrics we continue to have

7005
04:33:16,459 --> 04:33:18,625
is exits into permanent housing.

7006
04:33:18,625 --> 04:33:21,625
it's not exits into permanent

7007
04:33:21,709 --> 04:33:23,376
supportive housing it's exits

7008
04:33:23,376 --> 04:33:25,776
into permanent housing obviously

7009
04:33:25,792 --> 04:33:27,376
supportive permanent housing

7010
04:33:27,376 --> 04:33:28,459
includes that. The reason I

7011
04:33:28,459 --> 04:33:30,126
state that is because we do work

7012
04:33:30,126 --> 04:33:33,420
with path, closely, to ensure

7013
04:33:33,420 --> 04:33:35,334
that the folks who are in our

7014
04:33:35,334 --> 04:33:38,209
shelter are working towards the

7015
04:33:38,209 --> 04:33:40,876
different options if they can

7016
04:33:40,876 --> 04:33:42,667
work we're doing our best to

7017
04:33:42,667 --> 04:33:44,584
link them with employment. If

7018
04:33:44,584 --> 04:33:47,167
they could -- we have mental

7019
04:33:47,167 --> 04:33:48,999
health subsidies programs in

7020
04:33:48,999 --> 04:33:50,709
onsite and offsite. So that is

7021
04:33:50,709 --> 04:33:53,375
one of the challenges is that

7022
04:33:53,375 --> 04:33:55,792
people are staying longer, but

7023
04:33:55,792 --> 04:33:57,751
with our model whether we like

7024
04:33:57,751 --> 04:33:59,834
it or not does adapt to that.

7025
04:33:59,834 --> 04:34:01,417
we have the case managers and

7026
04:34:01,417 --> 04:34:03,542
that's their goal and focus.

7027
04:34:03,542 --> 04:34:04,250
>>janet nguyen: and maybe next

7028
04:34:04,250 --> 04:34:06,167
time you come back to give us an

7029
04:34:06,167 --> 04:34:07,999
update on this program is to add

7030
04:34:07,999 --> 04:34:10,569
in that data. Right? Is to add

7031
04:34:10,569 --> 04:34:12,917
in to let us know okay 100 has

7032
04:34:12,917 --> 04:34:14,960
shown up 100 has been in here

7033
04:34:14,960 --> 04:34:17,961
since january 1st, ten of them

7034
04:34:17,961 --> 04:34:20,125
have gone into permanent

7035
04:34:20,125 --> 04:34:22,167
amendment jobs, making over this

7036
04:34:22,167 --> 04:34:25,767
income. The -- you know, the

7037
04:34:25,999 --> 04:34:28,999
other 25 are disabled, unable to

7038
04:34:30,167 --> 04:34:32,830
work. The other one are over,

7039
04:34:32,830 --> 04:34:35,125
you know, age, or whatever it

7040
04:34:35,125 --> 04:34:37,830
is, I think -- then it helps us

7041
04:34:37,830 --> 04:34:39,999
to know what population is

7042
04:34:39,999 --> 04:34:41,999
coming in and which one is being

7043
04:34:41,999 --> 04:34:44,830
helped more permanent which one

7044
04:34:44,830 --> 04:34:45,876
isn't and maybe we shift our

7045
04:34:45,876 --> 04:34:47,000
money into other opportunities

7046
04:34:47,000 --> 04:34:50,500
if auto more seniors that are,

7047
04:34:50,500 --> 04:34:52,417
end up in homelessness, what is

7048
04:34:52,417 --> 04:34:54,792
that? Is it because of, you

7049
04:34:54,792 --> 04:34:57,192
know, addiction? Mental health,

7050
04:34:57,250 --> 04:35:01,450
or is it because of income? I

7051
04:35:01,459 --> 04:35:05,659
think that would help us in how

7052
04:35:05,999 --> 04:35:07,830
many families have children, how

7053
04:35:07,830 --> 04:35:08,959
many don't, and what are the

7054
04:35:08,959 --> 04:35:11,584
age, under 18. I think those

7055
04:35:11,584 --> 04:35:12,999
kind of questions would help us

7056
04:35:12,999 --> 04:35:17,199
or that data would assist us to,

7057
04:35:18,167 --> 04:35:19,876
okay maybe we're fine where we

7058
04:35:19,876 --> 04:35:23,709
are. But if there is an anomaly

7059
04:35:23,709 --> 04:35:26,109
somewhere this's something we

7060
04:35:26,250 --> 04:35:28,250
consider and pivot.

7061
04:35:28,584 --> 04:35:29,209
>>chair, doug chaffee: I think

7062
04:35:29,209 --> 04:35:30,709
we need to move on. We have got

7063
04:35:30,709 --> 04:35:32,626
another similar item coming up

7064
04:35:32,626 --> 04:35:36,826
soon we can do that. Can we

7065
04:35:36,918 --> 04:35:38,834
just go to a little --

7066
04:35:38,834 --> 04:35:39,459
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: one

7067
04:35:39,459 --> 04:35:41,751
request. Mr. Beck can you

7068
04:35:41,751 --> 04:35:43,999
forward to supervisor nguyen the

7069
04:35:43,999 --> 04:35:46,667
link to the dashboard that has

7070
04:35:46,667 --> 04:35:48,125
most of the information that she

7071
04:35:48,125 --> 04:35:50,000
requested?

7072
04:35:50,000 --> 04:35:52,000
>>speaker: may I?

7073
04:35:52,667 --> 04:35:53,167
>>chair, doug chaffee: I

7074
04:35:53,167 --> 04:35:53,999
believe we have a motion and

7075
04:35:53,999 --> 04:35:56,399
second. Any objection? Motion

7076
04:35:58,125 --> 04:35:59,292
carries and the item is

7077
04:35:59,292 --> 04:36:02,125
approved. We go on to item 25.

7078
04:36:02,125 --> 04:36:04,000
>>clerk of the board, robin

7079
04:36:04,000 --> 04:36:04,876
stieler: approve charge ready

7080
04:36:04,876 --> 04:36:06,876
transport program participation

7081
04:36:07,620 --> 04:36:08,499
agreements with southern

7082
04:36:08,499 --> 04:36:10,185
california edison for deployment

7083
04:36:10,185 --> 04:36:12,185
of make-ready electrical

7084
04:36:12,375 --> 04:36:15,375
infrastructure and/or receipt of

7085
04:36:15,500 --> 04:36:16,334
related rebates, term ending

7086
04:36:16,334 --> 04:36:16,960
12/31/26; authorize chief real

7087
04:36:16,960 --> 04:36:18,680
estate officer or designees to

7088
04:36:18,680 --> 04:36:19,596
execute agreements, easement

7089
04:36:19,596 --> 04:36:20,138
deeds and amendments under

7090
04:36:20,138 --> 04:36:21,490
certain conditions; and make

7091
04:36:21,490 --> 04:36:22,986
california environmental quality

7092
04:36:22,986 --> 04:36:24,850
act (ceqa) exemption findings

7093
04:36:24,850 --> 04:36:26,159
under ceqa guidelines section

7094
04:36:26,159 --> 04:36:27,372
15301 - all districts no

7095
04:36:27,372 --> 04:36:27,998
requests to speak on agenda item

7096
04:36:27,998 --> 04:36:28,291
25.

7097
04:36:28,291 --> 04:36:28,875
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7098
04:36:28,875 --> 04:36:29,418
district item.

7099
04:36:29,418 --> 04:36:30,430
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

7100
04:36:30,430 --> 04:36:30,462
the item.

7101
04:36:30,462 --> 04:36:31,400
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

7102
04:36:31,400 --> 04:36:32,501
objection? Item is approved.

7103
04:36:32,501 --> 04:36:34,400
item 26 please?

7104
04:36:34,400 --> 04:36:35,950
>>clerk of the board, robin

7105
04:36:35,950 --> 04:36:36,958
stieler: approve contract

7106
04:36:36,958 --> 04:36:38,490
ma-017-26010918 with path for

7107
04:36:38,490 --> 04:36:39,700
bridges at kraemer place shelter

7108
04:36:39,700 --> 04:36:40,408
operations and services, 5/1/26

7109
04:36:40,408 --> 04:36:42,354
- 6/30/29 ($15,993,179);

7110
04:36:42,354 --> 04:36:43,360
renewable for two additional

7111
04:36:43,360 --> 04:36:44,706
one-year terms; and authorize

7112
04:36:44,706 --> 04:36:45,844
county procurement officer or

7113
04:36:45,844 --> 04:36:47,287
deputized designee to exercise

7114
04:36:47,287 --> 04:36:48,392
cost contingency increase not to

7115
04:36:48,392 --> 04:36:49,470
exceed 10% under certain

7116
04:36:49,470 --> 04:36:51,251
conditions and execute contract

7117
04:36:51,251 --> 04:36:53,810
- district 4 no requests to

7118
04:36:53,810 --> 04:36:54,310
speak on agenda item 26.

7119
04:36:54,310 --> 04:36:54,936
>>chair, doug chaffee: district

7120
04:36:54,936 --> 04:36:58,227
four item I'm going to approve

7121
04:36:58,227 --> 04:36:58,938
it with some comments. Is there

7122
04:36:58,938 --> 04:36:59,999
a second?

7123
04:36:59,999 --> 04:37:00,751
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

7124
04:37:00,751 --> 04:37:00,999
second.

7125
04:37:00,999 --> 04:37:01,709
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

7126
04:37:01,709 --> 04:37:03,709
other comments?

7127
04:37:03,942 --> 04:37:05,418
this shelter site was selected

7128
04:37:05,418 --> 04:37:09,000
subject by a combined effort of

7129
04:37:09,000 --> 04:37:11,667
the cities of fullerton and

7130
04:37:11,667 --> 04:37:13,667
anaheim that the county support

7131
04:37:13,667 --> 04:37:15,750
both fullerton and anaheim to

7132
04:37:15,750 --> 04:37:18,150
provide additional funding to

7133
04:37:19,792 --> 04:37:22,542
acquire the site I was voted

7134
04:37:22,542 --> 04:37:24,500
representative of the county at

7135
04:37:24,500 --> 04:37:25,499
that time. It's an interesting

7136
04:37:25,499 --> 04:37:27,499
site. It was not our first

7137
04:37:27,499 --> 04:37:29,420
choice actually but it has

7138
04:37:29,420 --> 04:37:32,420
worked. Nearby about half block

7139
04:37:32,334 --> 04:37:34,000
away is a gentleman's club.

7140
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:36,750
used to be a piano store, and a

7141
04:37:36,750 --> 04:37:40,499
bar is about a block away but it

7142
04:37:40,499 --> 04:37:43,499
has worked well. One thing I

7143
04:37:43,499 --> 04:37:45,500
would note it's more costly than

7144
04:37:45,500 --> 04:37:47,542
the yale shelter on a per bed

7145
04:37:47,542 --> 04:37:50,126
basis. I think it's older, and

7146
04:37:50,126 --> 04:37:51,625
wasn't -- there would be --

7147
04:37:51,625 --> 04:37:54,542
yeah, it was built at kind of

7148
04:37:54,542 --> 04:37:56,499
took the benefit of some of what

7149
04:37:56,499 --> 04:37:58,126
this shelter could have done

7150
04:37:58,126 --> 04:38:00,376
better. And so you have a more

7151
04:38:00,376 --> 04:38:02,251
efficient shelter at yale than

7152
04:38:02,251 --> 04:38:04,499
you do at the kraemer place

7153
04:38:04,499 --> 04:38:05,821
shelter. So it's my pleasure to

7154
04:38:05,821 --> 04:38:06,709
move this item.

7155
04:38:06,709 --> 04:38:07,625
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

7156
04:38:07,625 --> 04:38:08,500
second.

7157
04:38:08,500 --> 04:38:09,376
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved

7158
04:38:09,376 --> 04:38:11,499
and seconded. Any objection?

7159
04:38:11,499 --> 04:38:15,990
okay. Is approved. Now we go

7160
04:38:15,251 --> 04:38:15,542
on to item 27.

7161
04:38:15,542 --> 04:38:16,456
>>clerk of the board, robin

7162
04:38:16,456 --> 04:38:17,731
stieler: uapprove amendment 1

7163
04:38:17,731 --> 04:38:18,875
to contracts ma-017-23010733

7164
04:38:18,875 --> 04:38:19,844
with fieldman, rolapp &

7165
04:38:19,844 --> 04:38:21,417
associates and ma-017-23011310

7166
04:38:21,417 --> 04:38:22,699
with csg advisors, inc for

7167
04:38:22,699 --> 04:38:24,292
general public finance municipal

7168
04:38:24,292 --> 04:38:25,197
advisory services, 4/10/26 -

7169
04:38:25,197 --> 04:38:26,187
4/9/28 ($200,000 each per year;

7170
04:38:26,187 --> 04:38:27,107
cumulative total $1,000,000

7171
04:38:27,107 --> 04:38:27,788
each); and authorize county

7172
04:38:27,788 --> 04:38:28,806
procurement officer or deputized

7173
04:38:28,806 --> 04:38:31,206
designee to execute amendments -

7174
04:38:31,331 --> 04:38:32,290
all districts no request to

7175
04:38:32,290 --> 04:38:34,690
speak on agenda item 27.

7176
04:38:35,499 --> 04:38:36,167
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7177
04:38:36,167 --> 04:38:37,500
district item.

7178
04:38:37,500 --> 04:38:38,376
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

7179
04:38:38,376 --> 04:38:39,126
the item.

7180
04:38:39,126 --> 04:38:39,750
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

7181
04:38:39,750 --> 04:38:41,192
objection? Item 27 is approved.

7182
04:38:41,192 --> 04:38:42,251
28 please.

7183
04:38:42,251 --> 04:38:43,136
>>clerk of the board, robin

7184
04:38:43,136 --> 04:38:44,958
stieler: approve assignment,

7185
04:38:44,958 --> 04:38:46,483
novation and consent agreement

7186
04:38:46,483 --> 04:38:48,883
from stradling yocca carlson &

7187
04:38:49,109 --> 04:38:51,509
rauth assigning to stradling

7188
04:38:51,896 --> 04:38:54,540
yocca carlson & rauth llp;

7189
04:38:54,540 --> 04:38:55,737
approve amendment 1 to contract

7190
04:38:55,737 --> 04:38:56,362
ma-017-23010759 with stradling

7191
04:38:56,362 --> 04:38:57,112
yocca carlson & rauth llp and

7192
04:38:57,112 --> 04:38:58,340
amendment 2 to contract

7193
04:38:58,340 --> 04:38:59,995
ma-017-23011183 with orrick

7194
04:38:59,995 --> 04:39:01,896
herrington & sutcliffe llp for

7195
04:39:01,896 --> 04:39:03,562
general public finance legal

7196
04:39:03,562 --> 04:39:04,541
services, 4/11/26 - 4/10/28

7197
04:39:04,541 --> 04:39:05,293
($200,000 each per year;

7198
04:39:05,293 --> 04:39:05,835
cumulative total $1,000,000

7199
04:39:05,835 --> 04:39:06,418
each); and authorize county

7200
04:39:06,418 --> 04:39:07,254
procurement officer or deputized

7201
04:39:07,254 --> 04:39:07,838
designee to execute agreement

7202
04:39:07,838 --> 04:39:09,532
and amendments - all districts

7203
04:39:09,532 --> 04:39:10,960
no requests to speak on agenda

7204
04:39:10,960 --> 04:39:12,980
item 28.

7205
04:39:12,980 --> 04:39:12,892
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7206
04:39:12,892 --> 04:39:13,413
district item.

7207
04:39:13,413 --> 04:39:14,800
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

7208
04:39:14,800 --> 04:39:14,558
the item.

7209
04:39:14,558 --> 04:39:15,384
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

7210
04:39:15,384 --> 04:39:17,373
objection? Item is approved.

7211
04:39:17,373 --> 04:39:20,373
item 29 has been continued. So

7212
04:39:20,590 --> 04:39:23,495
now we come to item 30.

7213
04:39:23,495 --> 04:39:24,527
>>clerk of the board, robin

7214
04:39:24,527 --> 04:39:25,992
stieler: county executive

7215
04:39:25,992 --> 04:39:27,389
office - approve grant

7216
04:39:27,389 --> 04:39:28,468
applications/awards submitted by

7217
04:39:28,468 --> 04:39:29,630
district attorney and oc

7218
04:39:29,630 --> 04:39:31,574
community resources in 3/24/26

7219
04:39:31,574 --> 04:39:33,558
grant report and other actions

7220
04:39:33,558 --> 04:39:34,227
as recommended - all districts

7221
04:39:34,227 --> 04:39:35,395
no requests to speak on agenda

7222
04:39:35,395 --> 04:39:36,681
item 30.

7223
04:39:36,681 --> 04:39:37,195
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7224
04:39:37,195 --> 04:39:38,290
district item.

7225
04:39:38,290 --> 04:39:38,959
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

7226
04:39:38,959 --> 04:39:39,418
the item.

7227
04:39:39,418 --> 04:39:41,900
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved

7228
04:39:41,900 --> 04:39:43,409
and seconded. Any objection?

7229
04:39:43,431 --> 04:39:45,342
item 30 is approved.

7230
04:39:45,342 --> 04:39:46,556
item 31, please

7231
04:39:46,556 --> 04:39:47,887
>>clerk of the board, robin

7232
04:39:47,887 --> 04:39:49,887
stieler: adopt resolution

7233
04:39:50,113 --> 04:39:52,152
approving property tax exchange

7234
04:39:52,152 --> 04:39:53,975
for annexation of gateway notch

7235
04:39:53,975 --> 04:39:55,280
parcels to city of irvine -

7236
04:39:55,280 --> 04:39:56,948
district 3 no requests to speak

7237
04:39:56,948 --> 04:39:58,187
on agenda item 31.

7238
04:39:58,187 --> 04:39:58,940
>>chair, doug chaffee: district

7239
04:39:58,940 --> 04:40:00,712
three item.

7240
04:40:00,712 --> 04:40:01,506
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

7241
04:40:01,506 --> 04:40:03,264
the item.

7242
04:40:03,264 --> 04:40:03,889
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved

7243
04:40:03,889 --> 04:40:05,308
and seconded. Any objection?

7244
04:40:05,308 --> 04:40:08,308
seeing none. It is approved.

7245
04:40:08,609 --> 04:40:10,292
item 32 was our public hearing

7246
04:40:10,292 --> 04:40:12,850
earlier on. So now we go to

7247
04:40:12,850 --> 04:40:14,850
supplement 31a.

7248
04:40:15,147 --> 04:40:16,410
>>clerk of the board, robin

7249
04:40:16,410 --> 04:40:17,350
stieler: chair chaffee - buena

7250
04:40:17,350 --> 04:40:17,785
park library district board of

7251
04:40:17,785 --> 04:40:18,824
trustees - appoint (rudy)

7252
04:40:18,824 --> 04:40:21,224
rodolfo solorzano, buena park,

7253
04:40:21,260 --> 04:40:23,660
to complete term ending 12/6/28

7254
04:40:25,315 --> 04:40:28,222
no requests to speak on s31a is.

7255
04:40:28,222 --> 04:40:28,841
>>chair, doug chaffee: I move

7256
04:40:28,841 --> 04:40:29,259
the item.

7257
04:40:29,259 --> 04:40:29,843
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

7258
04:40:29,843 --> 04:40:31,517
second is. Any objection? Item

7259
04:40:31,517 --> 04:40:32,480
is approved.

7260
04:40:32,480 --> 04:40:33,625
item supplement

7261
04:40:33,625 --> 04:40:34,419
31b please

7262
04:40:34,419 --> 04:40:35,976
>>clerk of the board, robin

7263
04:40:35,976 --> 04:40:36,730
stieler: under supervisor

7264
04:40:36,730 --> 04:40:37,272
nguyen supervisor nguyen -

7265
04:40:37,272 --> 04:40:38,149
orange county cemetery district

7266
04:40:38,149 --> 04:40:39,437
- appoint kelly ann rivers,

7267
04:40:39,437 --> 04:40:40,555
huntington beach, for term

7268
04:40:40,555 --> 04:40:42,555
ending 1/7/30

7269
04:40:42,650 --> 04:40:44,959
>>chair, doug chaffee: did

7270
04:40:44,959 --> 04:40:47,959
nguyen no objection item is

7271
04:40:47,975 --> 04:40:49,683
aproved. I think that was all of

7272
04:40:49,683 --> 04:40:52,830
the supplements madam clerk?

7273
04:40:52,209 --> 04:40:53,840
>>clerk of the board, robin

7274
04:40:53,840 --> 04:40:55,840
stieler: yes. Yes.

7275
04:41:00,673 --> 04:41:01,927
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7276
04:41:01,927 --> 04:41:04,546
right. Now we're coming on to

7277
04:41:04,546 --> 04:41:07,499
our comment section. And we'll

7278
04:41:07,499 --> 04:41:09,959
go to public comments. Madam

7279
04:41:09,959 --> 04:41:10,792
clerk would you call the

7280
04:41:10,792 --> 04:41:11,251
speakers?

7281
04:41:11,251 --> 04:41:11,792
>>clerk of the board, robin

7282
04:41:11,792 --> 04:41:13,251
stieler: yes we received 12

7283
04:41:13,251 --> 04:41:14,193
requests to speak I'll call

7284
04:41:14,193 --> 04:41:15,622
three names at a time please

7285
04:41:15,622 --> 04:41:16,923
line up behind the podium when

7286
04:41:16,923 --> 04:41:18,450
your name is called. Steve

7287
04:41:18,450 --> 04:41:20,257
rocco, moonheart and paul

7288
04:41:20,257 --> 04:41:22,257
hyack.

7289
04:41:26,340 --> 04:41:28,334
>>speaker: there are white lies

7290
04:41:28,334 --> 04:41:31,334
and there are black lies.

7291
04:41:31,749 --> 04:41:33,999
did you know that

7292
04:41:33,999 --> 04:41:36,999
slavery is legal? It's right

7293
04:41:36,999 --> 04:41:39,959
there in the constitution. Look

7294
04:41:39,959 --> 04:41:41,999
it up. And abe lincoln got rid

7295
04:41:41,999 --> 04:41:45,292
of slavery, he had an exception

7296
04:41:45,292 --> 04:41:47,692
and that exception was

7297
04:41:50,834 --> 04:41:53,834
prisoners. And if you're a

7298
04:41:53,834 --> 04:41:56,417
prisoner, you're a slave if you

7299
04:41:56,417 --> 04:41:58,250
think that's not relevant today,

7300
04:41:58,250 --> 04:42:00,209
who do you think made your car

7301
04:42:00,209 --> 04:42:02,999
license plate and fighting these

7302
04:42:02,999 --> 04:42:05,399
forest fires? Big surprise.

7303
04:42:08,235 --> 04:42:11,740
well, that leads us to today.

7304
04:42:11,740 --> 04:42:13,474
this is still reconstruction.

7305
04:42:13,693 --> 04:42:14,417
after the civil war, nobody

7306
04:42:14,417 --> 04:42:15,420
paid a greater price for slavery

7307
04:42:15,420 --> 04:42:16,959
than white folks. And they paid

7308
04:42:16,959 --> 04:42:17,667
it in the -- well they paid it

7309
04:42:17,667 --> 04:42:20,667
by soldiers, almost one million

7310
04:42:21,999 --> 04:42:24,375
dead, almost 1 million. After

7311
04:42:24,375 --> 04:42:27,626
the war they had their voting

7312
04:42:27,626 --> 04:42:31,226
rights taken away and they were

7313
04:42:31,667 --> 04:42:32,626
governed by scallywags and

7314
04:42:32,626 --> 04:42:35,260
carpetbaggers and freed negro

7315
04:42:35,209 --> 04:42:35,999
slaves.

7316
04:42:35,999 --> 04:42:39,751
the big sin was, for white folks

7317
04:42:39,751 --> 04:42:40,334
anyway, if you ever saw that

7318
04:42:40,334 --> 04:42:43,334
mini series "roots" it begins

7319
04:42:44,999 --> 04:42:45,751
with with a bunch of white folks

7320
04:42:45,751 --> 04:42:48,751
and the jungles of africa

7321
04:42:48,999 --> 04:42:50,999
looking for black folks to

7322
04:42:50,999 --> 04:42:52,751
enslave. It's not true. As a

7323
04:42:52,751 --> 04:42:55,000
matter of fact, black folks

7324
04:42:55,000 --> 04:42:58,000
enslave black folks in tribal

7325
04:43:00,876 --> 04:43:02,876
wars, and they were sold to

7326
04:43:02,876 --> 04:43:05,876
arabs, arab merchants. And then

7327
04:43:11,709 --> 04:43:13,751
they were sold you yankees. Did

7328
04:43:13,751 --> 04:43:14,292
you know why yankees bought

7329
04:43:14,292 --> 04:43:17,292
slaves? Because you got free

7330
04:43:17,792 --> 04:43:18,417
land. The more slaves you had,

7331
04:43:18,417 --> 04:43:19,167
the more you got free land. All

7332
04:43:19,167 --> 04:43:20,125
this doesn't make white folks

7333
04:43:20,125 --> 04:43:20,999
look very good. And we still

7334
04:43:20,999 --> 04:43:22,334
have that strange notion that

7335
04:43:22,334 --> 04:43:23,834
white folks who are responsible

7336
04:43:23,834 --> 04:43:24,834
for slavery and they're the bad

7337
04:43:24,834 --> 04:43:26,667
guys and all this other

7338
04:43:26,667 --> 04:43:30,267
nonsense. And it comes to today

7339
04:43:32,999 --> 04:43:33,999
white folks now becoming

7340
04:43:33,999 --> 04:43:36,399
second-class citizens, not as

7341
04:43:37,999 --> 04:43:39,500
good as, not as many opportunity

7342
04:43:39,500 --> 04:43:39,999
as. And what has been

7343
04:43:39,999 --> 04:43:42,167
weaponized is something which

7344
04:43:42,167 --> 04:43:44,999
is pretty much close to

7345
04:43:44,999 --> 04:43:47,999
a genocide or an extermination

7346
04:43:51,999 --> 04:43:54,420
of the race. And that is

7347
04:43:54,420 --> 04:43:56,000
illegals. You know it's against

7348
04:43:56,000 --> 04:44:00,167
the law to be in the united

7349
04:44:00,167 --> 04:44:02,420
states without a passport, and

7350
04:44:02,420 --> 04:44:02,792
you could be charged with

7351
04:44:02,792 --> 04:44:03,999
harboring. That's a

7352
04:44:03,999 --> 04:44:06,399
misdemeanor. Catch you twice

7353
04:44:06,999 --> 04:44:07,751
it's a felony. But for some

7354
04:44:07,751 --> 04:44:08,542
strange reason, people think

7355
04:44:08,542 --> 04:44:09,167
that, well you've been

7356
04:44:09,167 --> 04:44:10,709
in prison and now you're let go

7357
04:44:10,709 --> 04:44:12,375
and you're as good as anybody

7358
04:44:12,375 --> 04:44:13,000
else. You're not an american.

7359
04:44:13,000 --> 04:44:13,751
you're not an american.

7360
04:44:13,751 --> 04:44:14,375
you shouldn't be here. That's

7361
04:44:14,375 --> 04:44:15,918
what americans want. They want

7362
04:44:15,918 --> 04:44:18,918
a robust deportation. They want

7363
04:44:23,584 --> 04:44:26,417
you gone. They don't want

7364
04:44:26,417 --> 04:44:28,817
homelessness. The solution to

7365
04:44:33,999 --> 04:44:35,459
homelessness is get rid of the

7366
04:44:35,459 --> 04:44:37,459
illegals.

7367
04:44:38,000 --> 04:44:38,876
>>chair, doug chaffee: next

7368
04:44:38,876 --> 04:44:39,209
speakers please.

7369
04:44:39,209 --> 04:44:40,125
>>clerk of the board, robin

7370
04:44:40,125 --> 04:44:41,334
stieler: the next three

7371
04:44:41,334 --> 04:44:44,334
speakers are felipe lopez, karla

7372
04:44:45,709 --> 04:44:47,709
alvarado, and cher.

7373
04:44:56,209 --> 04:44:56,999
>>speaker: good afternoon board

7374
04:44:56,999 --> 04:44:57,834
of supervisors, miss foley, mr.

7375
04:44:57,834 --> 04:44:58,334
chafee, mr. Sarmiento miss

7376
04:44:58,334 --> 04:44:58,999
nguyen. My name is felipe

7377
04:44:58,999 --> 04:44:59,918
lopez, ii. For 36 years I've

7378
04:44:59,918 --> 04:45:01,375
lived in orange county. And I'm

7379
04:45:01,375 --> 04:45:02,999
just here to give thanks and

7380
04:45:02,999 --> 04:45:05,834
praise to the county board of

7381
04:45:05,834 --> 04:45:06,334
supervisors. I love this

7382
04:45:06,334 --> 04:45:09,934
county. I work here. I don't

7383
04:45:14,125 --> 04:45:17,125
travel, which further anchors me

7384
04:45:19,375 --> 04:45:21,999
here. I love being a resident

7385
04:45:21,999 --> 04:45:22,999
of orange county. I currently

7386
04:45:22,999 --> 04:45:25,709
work at path yale navigation

7387
04:45:25,709 --> 04:45:28,109
center as overnight safety

7388
04:45:28,209 --> 04:45:31,209
support associate is doing big

7389
04:45:31,500 --> 04:45:33,000
things. Paths leadership is

7390
04:45:33,000 --> 04:45:35,000
taking into consideration

7391
04:45:35,999 --> 04:45:37,999
everything that you're saying.

7392
04:45:37,999 --> 04:45:41,599
I just started working there and

7393
04:45:42,417 --> 04:45:43,292
I've fallen in love with all

7394
04:45:43,292 --> 04:45:44,375
things homelessness. I'm trying

7395
04:45:44,375 --> 04:45:46,584
to learn everything so I can be

7396
04:45:46,584 --> 04:45:47,834
a better citizen and help in

7397
04:45:47,834 --> 04:45:48,751
any way I can. But really just

7398
04:45:48,751 --> 04:45:50,420
want to give a shout out to all

7399
04:45:50,420 --> 04:45:51,999
of you. Shout out to the

7400
04:45:51,999 --> 04:45:54,399
sheriff's department. I know

7401
04:45:54,584 --> 04:45:55,876
mr barnes gets a lot of heat but

7402
04:45:55,876 --> 04:45:59,476
I know if I call 911, someone's

7403
04:46:02,375 --> 04:46:02,999
coming. Someone's coming to

7404
04:46:02,999 --> 04:46:04,292
help me.

7405
04:46:04,292 --> 04:46:04,999
and so, many people, many

7406
04:46:04,999 --> 04:46:06,542
citizens come and complain. I

7407
04:46:06,542 --> 04:46:07,417
want to take a little bit of

7408
04:46:07,417 --> 04:46:08,292
time and say thank you.

7409
04:46:08,292 --> 04:46:09,792
especially to you, mr sarmiento,

7410
04:46:09,792 --> 04:46:12,999
I can see that you're doing

7411
04:46:12,999 --> 04:46:14,999
big work. I appreciate all the

7412
04:46:14,999 --> 04:46:16,751
comments that you've said.

7413
04:46:16,751 --> 04:46:19,751
you've been very involved. You

7414
04:46:19,876 --> 04:46:22,276
responded to the 11 commenters

7415
04:46:22,292 --> 04:46:24,500
that were here, and I have just

7416
04:46:24,500 --> 04:46:28,100
been very impressed with you. I

7417
04:46:29,999 --> 04:46:31,125
believe your future is big and I

7418
04:46:31,125 --> 04:46:33,167
just want to say that. And also

7419
04:46:33,167 --> 04:46:35,567
regarding your donated salary,

7420
04:46:35,834 --> 04:46:37,918
wow. Big round of applause to

7421
04:46:37,918 --> 04:46:41,542
you, sir. But to all of you for

7422
04:46:41,542 --> 04:46:43,000
sitting back there, working

7423
04:46:43,000 --> 04:46:44,417
behind the scenes to make us

7424
04:46:44,417 --> 04:46:47,417
better, again, I love this

7425
04:46:50,420 --> 04:46:51,459
county and thank you for being

7426
04:46:51,459 --> 04:46:53,999
up there taking the heat and

7427
04:46:53,999 --> 04:46:55,667
trying to be strong. Thank you

7428
04:46:55,667 --> 04:46:59,267
to the staff here and appreciate

7429
04:47:12,500 --> 04:47:12,999
you all. Thank you.

7430
04:47:12,999 --> 04:47:13,792
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7431
04:47:13,792 --> 04:47:14,292
you. May I have the next

7432
04:47:14,292 --> 04:47:14,876
speaker, please.

7433
04:47:14,876 --> 04:47:15,500
>>speaker: sorry. Good

7434
04:47:15,500 --> 04:47:17,900
afternoon board members. My

7435
04:47:22,125 --> 04:47:24,667
name is karla alvarado. I'm

7436
04:47:24,667 --> 04:47:25,876
here representing the mobile

7437
04:47:25,876 --> 04:47:27,834
home park in your county by the

7438
04:47:27,834 --> 04:47:31,434
name of coach royal park owned

7439
04:47:35,375 --> 04:47:36,000
by an out-of-state corporation,

7440
04:47:36,000 --> 04:47:37,500
kingsley management. I'm here

7441
04:47:37,500 --> 04:47:38,125
because there is ongoing crisis

7442
04:47:38,125 --> 04:47:38,999
affecting us mobile homeowners

7443
04:47:38,999 --> 04:47:41,399
in your county, one

7444
04:47:41,792 --> 04:47:43,667
that is resulting the total loss

7445
04:47:43,667 --> 04:47:44,667
of our home and the failure of

7446
04:47:44,667 --> 04:47:47,350
the very system that was meant

7447
04:47:47,350 --> 04:47:49,325
to protect us. This corporation

7448
04:47:49,325 --> 04:47:51,573
is initiating evictions actions

7449
04:47:51,573 --> 04:47:53,747
without without proper legal

7450
04:47:53,747 --> 04:47:54,372
foundation, often pretextual,

7451
04:47:54,372 --> 04:47:55,976
retaliatory and unsupported by

7452
04:47:55,976 --> 04:47:57,976
legitimate violations, while

7453
04:48:01,709 --> 04:48:03,334
simultaneously -- simultaneously

7454
04:48:03,334 --> 04:48:04,499
interfering with homeowners'

7455
04:48:04,499 --> 04:48:05,499
ability to lawfully sell our

7456
04:48:05,499 --> 04:48:07,899
homes. Were being stripped

7457
04:48:11,495 --> 04:48:15,950
from our homes and left with

7458
04:48:16,206 --> 04:48:19,206
nothing. As a result, the

7459
04:48:20,667 --> 04:48:22,840
homeowners are being stripped

7460
04:48:22,840 --> 04:48:25,840
from their ownership rights and

7461
04:48:25,583 --> 04:48:26,834
losing everything they worked

7462
04:48:26,834 --> 04:48:28,612
for in america. This is not an

7463
04:48:28,612 --> 04:48:30,739
isolated incident. There have

7464
04:48:30,739 --> 04:48:31,818
been repeated complaints and

7465
04:48:31,818 --> 04:48:33,422
hundreds of affected residents

7466
04:48:33,422 --> 04:48:35,822
throughout the whole county,

7467
04:48:36,199 --> 04:48:37,500
documented violations and years

7468
04:48:37,500 --> 04:48:38,889
of notices to the appropriate

7469
04:48:38,889 --> 04:48:39,501
agencies here there has been a

7470
04:48:39,501 --> 04:48:40,543
failure to take meaningful

7471
04:48:40,543 --> 04:48:42,543
enforcement action homeowners

7472
04:48:44,377 --> 04:48:47,000
are being treated as tenants and

7473
04:48:47,000 --> 04:48:50,370
classes are being used in ways

7474
04:48:50,370 --> 04:48:52,370
that bypass protections

7475
04:48:53,200 --> 04:48:54,734
significantly established under

7476
04:48:54,734 --> 04:48:56,931
california law for mobile home

7477
04:48:56,931 --> 04:48:58,625
residents the department of

7478
04:48:58,625 --> 04:49:00,499
housing and community

7479
04:49:00,499 --> 04:49:02,459
development was created to

7480
04:49:02,459 --> 04:49:04,376
protect homeowners and address

7481
04:49:04,376 --> 04:49:05,126
power imbalances. But its

7482
04:49:05,126 --> 04:49:05,750
failure to act is allowing these

7483
04:49:05,750 --> 04:49:06,499
imbalances to be exploited.

7484
04:49:06,499 --> 04:49:08,418
the consequences are

7485
04:49:08,418 --> 04:49:09,377
devastating. Families are

7486
04:49:09,377 --> 04:49:11,499
losing everything and their

7487
04:49:11,499 --> 04:49:13,418
stability, there are laws in

7488
04:49:13,418 --> 04:49:15,818
place. There's funding in

7489
04:49:16,000 --> 04:49:19,000
place. There are agencies that

7490
04:49:20,363 --> 04:49:22,823
has to protect residents, yet --

7491
04:49:22,823 --> 04:49:25,320
yet in practice those

7492
04:49:25,320 --> 04:49:26,696
protections are not being

7493
04:49:26,696 --> 04:49:27,633
enforced.

7494
04:49:27,633 --> 04:49:29,522
this is not a housing issue --

7495
04:49:29,522 --> 04:49:31,230
this is not just a housing

7496
04:49:31,230 --> 04:49:32,150
issue, it's an accountability

7497
04:49:32,150 --> 04:49:34,777
issue. It's an ongoing issue is

7498
04:49:34,777 --> 04:49:36,777
impacting hard-working families

7499
04:49:36,861 --> 04:49:39,111
vulnerable elderlies and minor

7500
04:49:39,111 --> 04:49:41,280
children are affected violating

7501
04:49:41,280 --> 04:49:43,197
a lot of loss you you our county

7502
04:49:43,197 --> 04:49:44,615
does not stay silent and no one

7503
04:49:44,615 --> 04:49:45,537
should have to live in fear.

7504
04:49:45,537 --> 04:49:46,917
yet that is happening within our

7505
04:49:46,917 --> 04:49:48,126
community. So today we're

7506
04:49:48,126 --> 04:49:48,919
asking you guys what will this

7507
04:49:48,919 --> 04:49:49,878
board do to ensure enforcement

7508
04:49:49,878 --> 04:49:50,962
with the laws already in place?

7509
04:49:50,962 --> 04:49:54,562
what oversight will you -- will

7510
04:49:54,834 --> 04:49:57,834
be initiated to address, both,

7511
04:49:58,981 --> 04:50:00,358
conduct of these corporations

7512
04:50:00,358 --> 04:50:03,359
that are out of state and the

7513
04:50:03,359 --> 04:50:04,903
failure of the agencies to act

7514
04:50:04,903 --> 04:50:06,605
we're asking you to use your

7515
04:50:06,605 --> 04:50:08,105
authority to protect our

7516
04:50:08,105 --> 04:50:09,232
community and the very people

7517
04:50:09,232 --> 04:50:11,383
that you were put in place to

7518
04:50:11,383 --> 04:50:12,859
protect and ensure this

7519
04:50:12,859 --> 04:50:13,900
does not continue. No one

7520
04:50:13,900 --> 04:50:14,902
should lose their home because

7521
04:50:14,902 --> 04:50:16,529
us because of the system

7522
04:50:16,529 --> 04:50:18,738
designed to protect them has

7523
04:50:18,738 --> 04:50:19,781
failed to act. Thank you.

7524
04:50:19,781 --> 04:50:21,448
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7525
04:50:21,448 --> 04:50:23,446
you ma'am.

7526
04:50:23,446 --> 04:50:24,201
>>vincente sarmiento:

7527
04:50:24,201 --> 04:50:25,169
mr. Speaker before we go on I

7528
04:50:25,169 --> 04:50:26,254
want to say to the last

7529
04:50:26,254 --> 04:50:28,740
speaker's point, karla is a

7530
04:50:28,740 --> 04:50:30,709
constituent of mine in district

7531
04:50:30,709 --> 04:50:34,309
two she's referring to a mobile

7532
04:50:34,899 --> 04:50:36,248
home park called coach

7533
04:50:36,248 --> 04:50:37,725
royal. There's been a lot of

7534
04:50:37,725 --> 04:50:39,725
unnecessary harassment,

7535
04:50:39,931 --> 04:50:41,947
hostility towards the mobile

7536
04:50:41,947 --> 04:50:42,947
home park owners. So our

7537
04:50:42,947 --> 04:50:44,813
office has been working with

7538
04:50:44,813 --> 04:50:47,830
them. What was really

7539
04:50:47,830 --> 04:50:48,559
egregious is that just two weeks

7540
04:50:48,559 --> 04:50:49,560
ago one of the mobile

7541
04:50:49,560 --> 04:50:52,403
home park residents her name was

7542
04:50:52,403 --> 04:50:54,654
lucy pedraza committed suicide.

7543
04:50:54,654 --> 04:50:57,420
and part of that had to do with

7544
04:50:57,420 --> 04:51:00,420
the hostility and threats that

7545
04:51:01,499 --> 04:51:03,209
she was receiving from the

7546
04:51:03,209 --> 04:51:05,609
property managers they were

7547
04:51:06,420 --> 04:51:07,499
threatening to call ice on her

7548
04:51:07,499 --> 04:51:09,000
she was a legal resident. Her

7549
04:51:09,000 --> 04:51:12,600
-- she was the only caretaker

7550
04:51:13,400 --> 04:51:15,378
for her sister claudia, and now

7551
04:51:15,378 --> 04:51:16,861
dr. Kelly has been really

7552
04:51:16,861 --> 04:51:17,893
helpful. Have to give her a

7553
04:51:17,893 --> 04:51:19,499
shout-out because she's now

7554
04:51:19,499 --> 04:51:20,459
trying to find a caregiver for

7555
04:51:20,459 --> 04:51:24,420
the sister. And so you know you

7556
04:51:24,420 --> 04:51:24,959
know. It's a very unfortunate,

7557
04:51:24,959 --> 04:51:25,917
really terrible condition

7558
04:51:25,917 --> 04:51:26,917
there. But we don't have any

7559
04:51:26,917 --> 04:51:29,917
jurisdiction as a county over

7560
04:51:32,274 --> 04:51:33,459
that site. But I'm working

7561
04:51:33,459 --> 04:51:35,693
with the city manager and

7562
04:51:35,693 --> 04:51:37,693
council member hernandez,

7563
04:51:39,251 --> 04:51:39,834
whose district this is. And

7564
04:51:39,834 --> 04:51:42,840
we're trying to place all

7565
04:51:42,840 --> 04:51:42,625
our efforts to support what

7566
04:51:42,625 --> 04:51:44,499
they're doing. We're also

7567
04:51:44,499 --> 04:51:45,167
-- but what I also see is this

7568
04:51:45,167 --> 04:51:46,459
needs a legislative

7569
04:51:46,459 --> 04:51:49,499
fix. So we're reaching out to

7570
04:51:49,499 --> 04:51:50,459
senator umber's office because

7571
04:51:50,459 --> 04:51:51,499
some of the residents want to

7572
04:51:51,499 --> 04:51:53,499
sell their units but the consent

7573
04:51:53,499 --> 04:51:54,499
is being unreasonably withheld

7574
04:51:54,499 --> 04:51:55,251
by the property owners. So

7575
04:51:55,251 --> 04:51:56,543
that's something that needs

7576
04:51:56,543 --> 04:52:00,143
to be fixed in the law.

7577
04:52:00,415 --> 04:52:03,376
you know, what happens is some

7578
04:52:03,376 --> 04:52:04,499
of these mobile home park owners

7579
04:52:04,499 --> 04:52:06,959
want to sell their units;

7580
04:52:06,959 --> 04:52:08,376
property owner, you know,

7581
04:52:08,376 --> 04:52:09,499
doesn't want to consent so

7582
04:52:09,499 --> 04:52:11,251
they're limited to now just

7583
04:52:11,251 --> 04:52:13,875
accepting a below market amount

7584
04:52:13,875 --> 04:52:16,875
from people that the property

7585
04:52:17,420 --> 04:52:21,242
owner will share. So, it is --

7586
04:52:21,917 --> 04:52:23,209
it's very difficult. We have a

7587
04:52:23,209 --> 04:52:24,667
meeting with the property owner

7588
04:52:24,667 --> 04:52:27,499
coming up. So I'm going to try

7589
04:52:27,499 --> 04:52:29,625
to compel and at least appeal

7590
04:52:29,625 --> 04:52:30,499
to letting them know that they

7591
04:52:30,499 --> 04:52:32,500
are now, you know, overstepping

7592
04:52:32,500 --> 04:52:36,100
what they should be doing as

7593
04:52:38,126 --> 04:52:39,499
property owners. But I just

7594
04:52:39,499 --> 04:52:40,418
wanted to give the board just an

7595
04:52:40,418 --> 04:52:41,251
update let them know that we're

7596
04:52:41,251 --> 04:52:42,292
in contact with them and trying

7597
04:52:42,292 --> 04:52:44,418
to provide as much support both

7598
04:52:44,418 --> 04:52:45,000
you know on the mental health

7599
04:52:45,000 --> 04:52:47,400
side. But ours also

7600
04:52:48,000 --> 04:52:49,376
legislatively and making

7601
04:52:49,376 --> 04:52:50,292
sure we're supporting the city

7602
04:52:50,292 --> 04:52:52,292
and their efforts.

7603
04:52:53,347 --> 04:52:54,140
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7604
04:52:54,140 --> 04:52:55,597
you for your assistance in this

7605
04:52:55,597 --> 04:52:56,625
matter.

7606
04:52:56,625 --> 04:52:58,751
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

7607
04:52:58,751 --> 04:52:59,294
mr. Sarmiento?

7608
04:52:59,294 --> 04:52:59,878
>>chair, doug chaffee: vice

7609
04:52:59,878 --> 04:53:00,213
chair?

7610
04:53:00,213 --> 04:53:00,797
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

7611
04:53:00,797 --> 04:53:02,797
supervisor sarmiento,

7612
04:53:03,617 --> 04:53:04,452
are you working with gsmol?

7613
04:53:04,452 --> 04:53:05,806
they're a manufactured home

7614
04:53:05,806 --> 04:53:07,382
league and they do advocacy work

7615
04:53:07,382 --> 04:53:08,800
and litigation. So you might

7616
04:53:08,800 --> 04:53:11,258
want to reach out to them

7617
04:53:11,258 --> 04:53:12,967
because they're a good advocate.

7618
04:53:12,967 --> 04:53:13,523
>>vincente sarmiento: thank

7619
04:53:13,523 --> 04:53:14,243
you.

7620
04:53:14,243 --> 04:53:14,993
>>chair, doug chaffee: are

7621
04:53:14,993 --> 04:53:15,697
there any more speakers?

7622
04:53:15,697 --> 04:53:16,856
>>clerk of the board, robin

7623
04:53:16,856 --> 04:53:17,951
stieler: yes, we do. The next

7624
04:53:17,951 --> 04:53:18,787
three speakers are elmer

7625
04:53:18,787 --> 04:53:20,420
flores, greg aerosmith, and

7626
04:53:20,420 --> 04:53:22,420
patty kabada.

7627
04:53:36,199 --> 04:53:37,499
>>speaker:

7628
04:53:37,499 --> 04:53:38,252
california brown act of 1953

7629
04:53:38,252 --> 04:53:40,252
forcing local government

7630
04:53:40,478 --> 04:53:42,569
agencies to be transparent

7631
04:53:42,569 --> 04:53:43,426
with the taxpaying

7632
04:53:43,426 --> 04:53:46,180
citizens. Focus I emailed this

7633
04:53:46,180 --> 04:53:47,326
to be informed about government

7634
04:53:47,326 --> 04:53:49,625
actions and decisions in

7635
04:53:49,625 --> 04:53:51,709
conclusion the purpose of having

7636
04:53:51,709 --> 04:53:53,934
orange county board of

7637
04:53:53,934 --> 04:53:55,535
supervisors meetings are to

7638
04:53:55,535 --> 04:53:57,430
involvement is in violation of

7639
04:53:57,430 --> 04:53:59,378
the brown act and violates

7640
04:53:59,378 --> 04:54:02,378
rights of speech chaffee took

7641
04:54:03,870 --> 04:54:06,870
around, leon page replied back

7642
04:54:06,838 --> 04:54:10,438
to my march 11th 2026 e-mail, my

7643
04:54:12,433 --> 04:54:14,170
letter lacks merit with his

7644
04:54:14,170 --> 04:54:15,976
further explanation and the body

7645
04:54:15,976 --> 04:54:18,311
of his e-mail. Here's my follow

7646
04:54:18,311 --> 04:54:21,311
up argument brown act 2003 page

7647
04:54:24,604 --> 04:54:26,313
19, section 1115d of the bagley

7648
04:54:26,313 --> 04:54:28,713
keen act concerning state

7649
04:54:31,957 --> 04:54:34,208
bodies. 1967 open meeting act

7650
04:54:34,208 --> 04:54:35,792
is a california law that

7651
04:54:35,792 --> 04:54:37,376
requires state agency meetings

7652
04:54:37,376 --> 04:54:39,000
to be open to the public

7653
04:54:39,000 --> 04:54:40,500
ensuring transparency and

7654
04:54:40,500 --> 04:54:42,459
accountability in government. I

7655
04:54:42,459 --> 04:54:46,418
asked ai if I can present the

7656
04:54:46,418 --> 04:54:48,834
bagley keen open meeting act at

7657
04:54:48,834 --> 04:54:51,234
a local government stetting.

7658
04:54:51,500 --> 04:54:52,334
ai's response, yes you can

7659
04:54:52,334 --> 04:54:54,499
present the bagley keene open

7660
04:54:54,499 --> 04:54:55,167
meeting act at a local

7661
04:54:55,167 --> 04:54:55,709
government setting as it's

7662
04:54:55,709 --> 04:54:58,709
relevant to state agencies and

7663
04:54:59,499 --> 04:55:01,899
regarding open meetings accords

7664
04:55:02,000 --> 04:55:03,292
to the first amendment

7665
04:55:03,292 --> 04:55:05,500
coalition. Formerly the bagley

7666
04:55:05,500 --> 04:55:08,292
keen act specifically applies to

7667
04:55:08,292 --> 04:55:09,625
state entities. Principles can

7668
04:55:09,625 --> 04:55:11,709
be relevant in local government

7669
04:55:11,709 --> 04:55:13,292
settings. This act is crucial

7670
04:55:13,292 --> 04:55:15,499
for protecting citizen's rights

7671
04:55:15,499 --> 04:55:18,499
to protect and be informed about

7672
04:55:18,499 --> 04:55:20,840
decisions. In conclusion, the

7673
04:55:20,840 --> 04:55:21,000
purpose of having orange county

7674
04:55:21,000 --> 04:55:21,667
board of supervisors meetings

7675
04:55:21,667 --> 04:55:23,583
are to increase transparency and

7676
04:55:23,583 --> 04:55:25,376
involvement with the tax paying

7677
04:55:25,376 --> 04:55:27,292
citizens. The meetings are not

7678
04:55:27,292 --> 04:55:28,750
designed for the convenience of

7679
04:55:28,750 --> 04:55:31,750
the public civil servants that

7680
04:55:31,792 --> 04:55:32,499
receive financial compensation,

7681
04:55:32,499 --> 04:55:33,499
health care, pension, et cetera

7682
04:55:33,499 --> 04:55:35,709
from the tax paying citizens.

7683
04:55:35,709 --> 04:55:38,709
the public civil servants keep

7684
04:55:39,209 --> 04:55:40,499
on forgetting where his or her

7685
04:55:40,499 --> 04:55:41,499
place is. Like you see analogy

7686
04:55:41,499 --> 04:55:42,834
that a public civil servant, in

7687
04:55:42,834 --> 04:55:43,500
general, is similar to an out

7688
04:55:43,500 --> 04:55:44,586
out of control and spoiled

7689
04:55:44,586 --> 04:55:46,650
teenager that has no respect

7690
04:55:46,650 --> 04:55:47,904
under his or her parents roof.

7691
04:55:47,904 --> 04:55:48,792
this was is an issue with the

7692
04:55:48,792 --> 04:55:49,499
state of california and the

7693
04:55:49,499 --> 04:55:50,209
local governments. I do look

7694
04:55:50,209 --> 04:55:51,424
forward to seeing a change

7695
04:55:51,424 --> 04:55:52,752
for the best interests of the

7696
04:55:52,752 --> 04:55:54,791
taxpaying citizens in the near

7697
04:55:54,791 --> 04:55:56,791
future.

7698
04:55:57,675 --> 04:55:58,259
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7699
04:55:58,259 --> 04:55:59,577
you, sir.

7700
04:55:59,577 --> 04:56:01,577
next speaker, please.

7701
04:56:06,210 --> 04:56:08,210
>>speaker: good afternoon

7702
04:56:11,376 --> 04:56:13,167
board. I'm here to also ask you

7703
04:56:13,167 --> 04:56:14,459
to please look into the

7704
04:56:14,459 --> 04:56:15,875
situation that is happening with

7705
04:56:15,875 --> 04:56:18,000
coach royal mobile home park. I

7706
04:56:18,000 --> 04:56:19,834
would like to say thank you to

7707
04:56:19,834 --> 04:56:21,834
supervisor vincente sarmiento

7708
04:56:22,251 --> 04:56:25,376
for taking the time to invest

7709
04:56:25,376 --> 04:56:27,000
into these residents. I would

7710
04:56:27,000 --> 04:56:29,292
ask that all of you perhaps take

7711
04:56:29,292 --> 04:56:31,840
time out of your day to look to

7712
04:56:31,840 --> 04:56:32,499
see what is happening there.

7713
04:56:32,499 --> 04:56:35,167
because we do have american

7714
04:56:35,167 --> 04:56:36,499
citizens that live there. It's

7715
04:56:36,499 --> 04:56:40,699
not just a mobile home park with

7716
04:56:41,828 --> 04:56:43,579
undocumented residents. But I

7717
04:56:43,579 --> 04:56:45,120
have a question. I would like

7718
04:56:45,120 --> 04:56:46,289
to know if, what these

7719
04:56:46,289 --> 04:56:47,957
residents, the undocumented ones

7720
04:56:47,957 --> 04:56:49,624
are going through. Would that

7721
04:56:49,624 --> 04:56:52,624
qualify for extortion? And if

7722
04:56:54,250 --> 04:56:57,610
it is, does that allow these

7723
04:56:57,610 --> 04:56:59,419
undocumented residents to apply

7724
04:56:59,419 --> 04:57:01,920
for a new visa. Most of people

7725
04:57:01,920 --> 04:57:05,520
are deeply afraid to speak up.

7726
04:57:07,357 --> 04:57:09,421
if you took time out of your day

7727
04:57:09,421 --> 04:57:11,254
to look and see the people that

7728
04:57:11,254 --> 04:57:12,992
are being affected here, right

7729
04:57:12,992 --> 04:57:13,701
in our county, you would see how

7730
04:57:13,701 --> 04:57:15,326
detrimental it has been to many

7731
04:57:15,326 --> 04:57:18,456
of them because people have been

7732
04:57:18,456 --> 04:57:20,293
made homeless families with

7733
04:57:20,293 --> 04:57:22,308
multiple children per household

7734
04:57:22,308 --> 04:57:23,990
have been made homeless due to

7735
04:57:23,990 --> 04:57:25,750
all this criminal and illegal

7736
04:57:25,750 --> 04:57:27,916
activities in this mobile home

7737
04:57:27,916 --> 04:57:30,750
park. Mind you, the same owners

7738
04:57:30,750 --> 04:57:31,500
of that park own another mobile

7739
04:57:31,500 --> 04:57:33,209
home park in the same street

7740
04:57:33,209 --> 04:57:34,792
right down with hundreds of

7741
04:57:34,792 --> 04:57:35,583
residents that are experiencing

7742
04:57:35,583 --> 04:57:36,499
the same thing so you see this

7743
04:57:36,499 --> 04:57:39,459
is a county problem it's not

7744
04:57:39,459 --> 04:57:41,859
just a district problem.

7745
04:57:43,917 --> 04:57:46,459
because all of these people

7746
04:57:46,459 --> 04:57:48,859
reside within orange county

7747
04:57:49,402 --> 04:57:51,709
so this is everyone's problem

7748
04:57:51,709 --> 04:57:52,418
you to please use your

7749
04:57:52,418 --> 04:57:53,917
resources.

7750
04:57:53,917 --> 04:57:55,917
help, supervisor vincent

7751
04:57:58,000 --> 04:57:59,542
sarmiento to allow these

7752
04:57:59,542 --> 04:58:00,875
residents to be able to sell

7753
04:58:00,875 --> 04:58:04,420
their homes without fear to be

7754
04:58:04,420 --> 04:58:05,499
able to speak up without fear of

7755
04:58:05,499 --> 04:58:06,499
having ice picking them up.

7756
04:58:06,499 --> 04:58:08,899
and it's very unfortunate

7757
04:58:09,126 --> 04:58:10,840
because every person that

7758
04:58:10,840 --> 04:58:12,376
purchased their mobile home they

7759
04:58:12,376 --> 04:58:14,251
worked for it. Nobody gave it

7760
04:58:14,251 --> 04:58:15,875
to them. They didn't get a

7761
04:58:15,875 --> 04:58:17,499
voucher for their mobile homes

7762
04:58:17,499 --> 04:58:20,499
you have residents that were

7763
04:58:21,625 --> 04:58:24,250
evicted after 15, 20 years of

7764
04:58:26,600 --> 04:58:27,910
being residents there. That's

7765
04:58:27,910 --> 04:58:28,500
criminal.

7766
04:58:28,500 --> 04:58:29,426
so I ask and urge you, once

7767
04:58:29,426 --> 04:58:30,520
again. I'm pleading with you to

7768
04:58:30,520 --> 04:58:30,885
please reach out to these

7769
04:58:30,885 --> 04:58:33,885
residents so that mother no

7770
04:58:34,165 --> 04:58:37,165
other single mother makes an

7771
04:58:39,410 --> 04:58:40,416
unfortunate decision to commit

7772
04:58:40,416 --> 04:58:42,816
suicide. Because the mother

7773
04:58:43,499 --> 04:58:46,499
that committed suicide was a

7774
04:58:47,959 --> 04:58:49,209
working mother who worked very

7775
04:58:49,209 --> 04:58:49,750
hard to purchase her home

7776
04:58:49,750 --> 04:58:51,420
and her son found her dead in

7777
04:58:51,420 --> 04:58:51,625
the tub from suicide.

7778
04:58:51,625 --> 04:58:52,499
I would hope that we don't want

7779
04:58:52,499 --> 04:58:55,499
that to happen again. Thank

7780
04:58:56,825 --> 04:58:57,118
you.

7781
04:58:57,118 --> 04:58:57,784
>>chair, doug chaffee. Thank

7782
04:58:57,784 --> 04:58:58,203
you so much.

7783
04:58:58,203 --> 04:58:59,332
>>clerk of the board, robin

7784
04:58:59,332 --> 04:59:00,364
stieler: after elmer flores,

7785
04:59:00,364 --> 04:59:01,110
the last three speakers are

7786
04:59:01,110 --> 04:59:02,173
brian k, stephen mcnally and

7787
04:59:02,173 --> 04:59:04,173
reeder.

7788
04:59:16,998 --> 04:59:19,398
>>speaker: happy day. I'll

7789
04:59:22,372 --> 04:59:23,541
touch on the mobile home park.

7790
04:59:23,541 --> 04:59:24,875
sharon quirk silva had a lot

7791
04:59:24,875 --> 04:59:26,294
of success working to stop

7792
04:59:26,294 --> 04:59:27,840
rancho la paz from doing

7793
04:59:27,840 --> 04:59:29,840
the same thing.

7794
04:59:30,625 --> 04:59:32,000
it was about five years ago I

7795
04:59:32,000 --> 04:59:35,000
saw a deputy slamming doors.

7796
04:59:37,000 --> 04:59:41,200
I asked him why he did it.

7797
04:59:41,697 --> 04:59:43,505
he bragged, he said, oh, I'm

7798
04:59:43,505 --> 04:59:44,171
working graveyard and I'm pissed

7799
04:59:44,171 --> 04:59:44,965
and I'm angry and I'm slamming

7800
04:59:44,965 --> 04:59:46,716
doors.

7801
04:59:46,716 --> 04:59:50,316
and then one of them broke.

7802
04:59:51,777 --> 04:59:53,277
little of sharing with me that

7803
04:59:53,277 --> 04:59:55,209
he broke a jail door, putting

7804
04:59:55,209 --> 04:59:57,917
his life and his inmates life at

7805
04:59:57,917 --> 05:00:00,917
risk, he learned. He learned

7806
05:00:01,419 --> 05:00:02,647
that slamming a jail door isn't

7807
05:00:02,647 --> 05:00:04,647
a good idea.

7808
05:00:05,292 --> 05:00:07,663
and recently I was

7809
05:00:07,663 --> 05:00:11,863
in jail, and it was about seven

7810
05:00:12,625 --> 05:00:13,500
hours, maybe eight hours

7811
05:00:13,500 --> 05:00:14,834
before I heard a jail door slam.

7812
05:00:14,834 --> 05:00:15,499
and when that door was slammed,

7813
05:00:15,499 --> 05:00:17,840
all the other deputies

7814
05:00:17,840 --> 05:00:18,209
looked at the deputy

7815
05:00:18,209 --> 05:00:21,840
who slammed the door like

7816
05:00:21,840 --> 05:00:23,875
what's wrong with you? Don't

7817
05:00:23,875 --> 05:00:24,499
you have any respect for your

7818
05:00:24,499 --> 05:00:26,499
other deputies?

7819
05:00:27,542 --> 05:00:28,499
you know, today

7820
05:00:28,499 --> 05:00:30,334
janet nguyen talked about how

7821
05:00:30,334 --> 05:00:31,500
she has trouble reaching

7822
05:00:31,500 --> 05:00:33,126
out, and how other

7823
05:00:33,126 --> 05:00:34,499
people within the

7824
05:00:34,499 --> 05:00:35,499
county don't answer

7825
05:00:35,499 --> 05:00:37,499
her messages.

7826
05:00:39,824 --> 05:00:42,499
>>speaker: it's been about ten

7827
05:00:42,499 --> 05:00:44,499
minutes not getting

7828
05:00:46,499 --> 05:00:47,542
communications. You spent half

7829
05:00:47,542 --> 05:00:48,959
an hour talking about problems

7830
05:00:48,959 --> 05:00:50,584
with ice and issues with

7831
05:00:50,584 --> 05:00:52,584
government.

7832
05:01:20,874 --> 05:01:22,499
>>speaker: anaheim police shot

7833
05:01:22,499 --> 05:01:24,625
and killed a man who had his

7834
05:01:24,625 --> 05:01:26,334
hands up. Have you done

7835
05:01:26,334 --> 05:01:27,499
anything to protect your

7836
05:01:27,499 --> 05:01:28,917
constituents? I mean, you're

7837
05:01:28,917 --> 05:01:31,000
doing the same things ice are

7838
05:01:31,000 --> 05:01:33,400
doing. Anaheim police have

7839
05:01:34,376 --> 05:01:36,126
killed just as many people as

7840
05:01:36,126 --> 05:01:39,726
ice has. And you're asking for

7841
05:01:39,750 --> 05:01:43,350
help. Janet is asking for help.

7842
05:01:45,750 --> 05:01:47,772
katrina foley is asking for

7843
05:01:47,772 --> 05:01:49,667
help. She actually doesn't

7844
05:01:49,667 --> 05:01:51,499
understand -- she didn't

7845
05:01:51,499 --> 05:01:53,292
understand the requirements for

7846
05:01:53,292 --> 05:01:55,209
buying flyers and jackets. She

7847
05:01:55,209 --> 05:01:57,840
spent a good five minutes

7848
05:01:57,840 --> 05:01:58,499
talking about that today.

7849
05:01:58,499 --> 05:02:01,499
that's why we have first

7850
05:02:03,499 --> 05:02:05,209
amendment so we can come down

7851
05:02:05,209 --> 05:02:06,667
here and tell you that you have

7852
05:02:06,667 --> 05:02:08,499
made a mistake and that you can

7853
05:02:08,499 --> 05:02:09,792
correct it. I don't know why

7854
05:02:09,792 --> 05:02:12,000
janet thinks it's funny to

7855
05:02:12,000 --> 05:02:14,840
ignore somebody and then

7856
05:02:14,840 --> 05:02:16,484
complain about being ignored

7857
05:02:16,500 --> 05:02:19,576
herself does that I make sense

7858
05:02:19,576 --> 05:02:21,976
to anybody? Happy day.

7859
05:02:22,360 --> 05:02:24,210
>>chair, doug chaffee: any more

7860
05:02:24,210 --> 05:02:25,920
speakers?

7861
05:02:25,920 --> 05:02:26,441
>>clerk of the board, robin

7862
05:02:26,441 --> 05:02:28,841
stieler: and alley reeder.

7863
05:02:43,251 --> 05:02:46,209
>>speaker: do not envy evil men

7864
05:02:46,209 --> 05:02:48,251
do not desire to be with them

7865
05:02:48,251 --> 05:02:50,376
for their heart studies

7866
05:02:50,376 --> 05:02:53,420
destruction and their lips talk

7867
05:02:53,420 --> 05:02:56,499
of trouble a house built through

7868
05:02:56,499 --> 05:02:59,251
wisdom it is established by

7869
05:02:59,251 --> 05:03:00,499
understanding and by knowledge

7870
05:03:00,499 --> 05:03:03,000
will the chambers be filled with

7871
05:03:03,000 --> 05:03:05,400
all pressures and pleasant

7872
05:03:06,126 --> 05:03:08,292
riches, a wise man is strong yet

7873
05:03:08,292 --> 05:03:11,892
a man of knowledge increases for

7874
05:03:12,251 --> 05:03:14,000
wise counsel you will make war

7875
05:03:14,000 --> 05:03:17,000
and to multitude of counselors

7876
05:03:17,126 --> 05:03:19,334
there is safety wisdom is too

7877
05:03:19,334 --> 05:03:21,499
high for a fellow he does not

7878
05:03:21,499 --> 05:03:23,334
open his mouth in the gate he

7879
05:03:23,334 --> 05:03:25,400
devices to do evil will be

7880
05:03:25,400 --> 05:03:26,469
called a mischievous person the

7881
05:03:26,469 --> 05:03:27,580
thought of the foolish is sin

7882
05:03:27,580 --> 05:03:31,180
this corner is an abomination to

7883
05:03:32,659 --> 05:03:34,909
men if you paint the day of

7884
05:03:34,909 --> 05:03:36,577
adversity your strength is

7885
05:03:36,577 --> 05:03:39,869
strength small if you refrain to

7886
05:03:39,869 --> 05:03:42,537
deliver those who are drawn unto

7887
05:03:42,537 --> 05:03:44,664
death are ready to be slain if

7888
05:03:44,664 --> 05:03:46,623
you say behold we did not know

7889
05:03:46,623 --> 05:03:49,582
it does not he who ponders the

7890
05:03:49,582 --> 05:03:51,667
heart of considerate and he who

7891
05:03:51,667 --> 05:03:53,584
keeps your soul does he know it

7892
05:03:53,584 --> 05:03:57,184
and will he not rendered to

7893
05:03:57,793 --> 05:03:59,793
every man according to his

7894
05:03:59,793 --> 05:04:01,794
works. My son, eat honey

7895
05:04:01,794 --> 05:04:03,410
because it is good and the

7896
05:04:03,410 --> 05:04:04,747
honeycomb which is sweet to your

7897
05:04:04,747 --> 05:04:06,570
palate so will the knowledge of

7898
05:04:06,570 --> 05:04:08,308
wisdom be to your soul when you

7899
05:04:08,308 --> 05:04:10,726
have found it then there will be

7900
05:04:10,726 --> 05:04:12,893
a future in your expectation

7901
05:04:12,893 --> 05:04:16,144
will not be cut off do not lie

7902
05:04:16,144 --> 05:04:18,395
in wait oh wicked man against

7903
05:04:18,395 --> 05:04:20,688
the dwelling of the righteous do

7904
05:04:20,688 --> 05:04:23,104
not plunder his resting place

7905
05:04:23,104 --> 05:04:25,315
for a righteous man falls seven

7906
05:04:25,315 --> 05:04:27,774
times then rises up again do not

7907
05:04:27,774 --> 05:04:30,750
rejoys when your enemy falls do

7908
05:04:30,750 --> 05:04:33,750
not let your heart rejoice

7909
05:04:34,209 --> 05:04:35,834
enthusiastically when he

7910
05:04:35,834 --> 05:04:37,917
stumbles left the lord see it

7911
05:04:37,917 --> 05:04:40,667
and displease him he would turn

7912
05:04:40,667 --> 05:04:43,459
away his wrath from him do not

7913
05:04:43,459 --> 05:04:45,376
fret yourself because of bad

7914
05:04:45,376 --> 05:04:47,667
people do not envy the wicked

7915
05:04:47,667 --> 05:04:49,209
for there will be no future for

7916
05:04:49,209 --> 05:04:51,840
the bad one the lamp of the

7917
05:04:51,840 --> 05:04:53,126
wicked will be put out my son

7918
05:04:53,126 --> 05:04:54,792
revere in the lord the king do

7919
05:04:54,792 --> 05:04:56,414
not meddle with those who are

7920
05:04:56,414 --> 05:04:58,438
given to change for their cal

7921
05:04:58,438 --> 05:05:00,562
amity will rise suddenly and who

7922
05:05:00,562 --> 05:05:04,162
knows the ruin of them both

7923
05:05:06,523 --> 05:05:08,152
these things also for the wise

7924
05:05:08,152 --> 05:05:11,606
it is not good to have

7925
05:05:11,606 --> 05:05:13,981
respective persons in judgment

7926
05:05:13,981 --> 05:05:15,900
he says to the wicked you

7927
05:05:15,900 --> 05:05:17,567
righteous the people will curse

7928
05:05:17,567 --> 05:05:21,100
him nations will abhor him but

7929
05:05:21,100 --> 05:05:22,875
to those who rebuke him will be

7930
05:05:22,875 --> 05:05:24,960
delight and good blessings will

7931
05:05:24,960 --> 05:05:27,587
come upon them, prepare your

7932
05:05:27,587 --> 05:05:31,187
work outside and make ready for

7933
05:05:31,756 --> 05:05:33,258
yourself in the field and

7934
05:05:33,258 --> 05:05:35,175
afterwards build your house do

7935
05:05:35,175 --> 05:05:38,900
not be witness against your

7936
05:05:38,900 --> 05:05:40,219
neighbor without a cause or

7937
05:05:40,219 --> 05:05:42,950
deceive with your lips do not

7938
05:05:42,950 --> 05:05:44,344
say I shall do him as he has

7939
05:05:44,344 --> 05:05:46,344
done for me.

7940
05:05:48,126 --> 05:05:48,750
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7941
05:05:48,750 --> 05:05:49,840
you.

7942
05:05:49,840 --> 05:05:49,625
>>clerk of the board, robin

7943
05:05:49,625 --> 05:05:50,834
stieler: no further speakers.

7944
05:05:50,834 --> 05:05:53,234
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7945
05:05:55,875 --> 05:05:59,475
you madam clerk now coming to

7946
05:05:59,875 --> 05:06:02,500
board comments we start with our

7947
05:06:02,500 --> 05:06:04,459
ceo, do you have any comments to

7948
05:06:04,459 --> 05:06:07,126
make? Not at this time.

7949
05:06:07,126 --> 05:06:09,126
supervisor nguyen?

7950
05:06:10,693 --> 05:06:13,930
>>janet nguyen: thank you

7951
05:06:13,126 --> 05:06:14,917
mr. Chairman I have a few I'm

7952
05:06:14,917 --> 05:06:17,420
sorry I know time is getting

7953
05:06:17,420 --> 05:06:18,542
late I'm going to try to breeze

7954
05:06:18,542 --> 05:06:20,418
through this real quick last

7955
05:06:20,418 --> 05:06:22,875
week I was part of organizing

7956
05:06:22,875 --> 05:06:25,499
and helping a father in

7957
05:06:25,499 --> 05:06:27,625
huntington beach who has been

7958
05:06:27,625 --> 05:06:29,792
diagnosed with pancreatic cancer

7959
05:06:29,792 --> 05:06:31,667
stage four last month one of the

7960
05:06:31,667 --> 05:06:33,418
things that we did was when we

7961
05:06:33,418 --> 05:06:35,251
fond out last friday a week

7962
05:06:35,251 --> 05:06:38,851
before that that he has been

7963
05:06:40,499 --> 05:06:43,499
taken off all treatments we got

7964
05:06:43,499 --> 05:06:45,000
together contacted the school

7965
05:06:45,000 --> 05:06:48,840
district, you know, the city of

7966
05:06:48,840 --> 05:06:49,209
huntington beach, and we put on

7967
05:06:49,209 --> 05:06:52,209
a graduation for his daughter.

7968
05:06:52,459 --> 05:06:55,418
that was one of his wish that he

7969
05:06:55,418 --> 05:06:59,180
gets to see her graduate and

7970
05:06:59,499 --> 05:07:02,000
abby is, you know, it's abby cur

7971
05:07:02,000 --> 05:07:04,167
win, her graduation, it was

7972
05:07:04,167 --> 05:07:06,334
official, she actually did

7973
05:07:06,334 --> 05:07:08,734
qualify to receive her

7974
05:07:09,334 --> 05:07:12,334
graduation diploma, her dad was

7975
05:07:13,430 --> 05:07:15,430
administrator at huntington

7976
05:07:16,990 --> 05:07:18,834
beach union high school district

7977
05:07:18,834 --> 05:07:20,478
a 20 year army veteran also

7978
05:07:20,478 --> 05:07:22,224
coached a lot of youth sports in

7979
05:07:22,224 --> 05:07:23,970
huntington beach baseball,

7980
05:07:23,970 --> 05:07:25,993
football, soccer, basketball was

7981
05:07:25,993 --> 05:07:27,994
also my son's coach as well and

7982
05:07:27,994 --> 05:07:30,557
actually my son and his son have

7983
05:07:30,557 --> 05:07:32,266
known each other since six

7984
05:07:32,266 --> 05:07:33,599
months and you know he always

7985
05:07:33,599 --> 05:07:35,600
made sure every student showed

7986
05:07:35,600 --> 05:07:37,601
up for practice even that meant

7987
05:07:37,601 --> 05:07:40,840
picking them up driving them

7988
05:07:40,840 --> 05:07:41,875
home feeding them or you know

7989
05:07:41,875 --> 05:07:44,499
making sure any roadblocks he

7990
05:07:44,499 --> 05:07:48,990
assisted for over two decades in

7991
05:07:48,334 --> 05:07:49,667
huntington beach I want you to

7992
05:07:49,667 --> 05:07:51,499
know I want to highlight this

7993
05:07:51,499 --> 05:07:53,459
because this is the human side

7994
05:07:53,459 --> 05:07:55,959
of all of us that we forget how

7995
05:07:55,959 --> 05:07:58,542
precious life is also how you

7996
05:07:58,542 --> 05:08:00,251
put together 16 parents

7997
05:08:00,251 --> 05:08:02,542
including myself my husband we

7998
05:08:02,542 --> 05:08:06,142
can pour put something like this

7999
05:08:07,000 --> 05:08:08,917
together but it's not just us

8000
05:08:08,917 --> 05:08:11,917
it's as I mentioned this

8001
05:08:12,000 --> 05:08:13,167
huntington beach school

8002
05:08:13,167 --> 05:08:15,500
district, are the trustees

8003
05:08:15,500 --> 05:08:17,900
principal, city of huntington

8004
05:08:18,542 --> 05:08:20,942
beach police chief, huntington

8005
05:08:23,840 --> 05:08:24,709
beach police association city

8006
05:08:24,709 --> 05:08:26,499
manager we had our council

8007
05:08:26,499 --> 05:08:28,840
members three of them went up

8008
05:08:28,840 --> 05:08:30,000
there and has commit to working

8009
05:08:30,000 --> 05:08:32,459
to put together a ben there to

8010
05:08:32,459 --> 05:08:33,792
be named after him so he can

8011
05:08:33,792 --> 05:08:35,792
always be there to see all the

8012
05:08:35,792 --> 05:08:37,418
kids and families grow up in

8013
05:08:37,418 --> 05:08:41,180
that same part that he's always

8014
05:08:41,917 --> 05:08:43,583
been there, these are the

8015
05:08:43,583 --> 05:08:45,501
kindness of things the last week

8016
05:08:45,501 --> 05:08:49,101
and a half has been overwhelming

8017
05:08:52,500 --> 05:08:55,251
but it's been gratifying to know

8018
05:08:55,251 --> 05:08:56,209
that the community can come

8019
05:08:56,209 --> 05:08:57,750
together like this. I also

8020
05:08:57,750 --> 05:09:01,950
wanted to -- it's not just those

8021
05:09:02,499 --> 05:09:05,209
that I just mentioned, people

8022
05:09:05,209 --> 05:09:07,625
like code four, tons of

8023
05:09:07,625 --> 05:09:09,917
restaurants came in, from claim

8024
05:09:09,917 --> 05:09:12,317
jumper, masala, indian, and

8025
05:09:16,420 --> 05:09:18,442
nepali cuisine, kitchen long

8026
05:09:22,583 --> 05:09:24,709
board you name it they all came

8027
05:09:24,709 --> 05:09:26,959
in and over 400 people showed up

8028
05:09:26,959 --> 05:09:30,334
in a small park wasn't even

8029
05:09:30,334 --> 05:09:32,209
advertised you know we just want

8030
05:09:32,209 --> 05:09:35,000
to tell the crowe family we're

8031
05:09:35,000 --> 05:09:36,959
here for them communities are

8032
05:09:36,959 --> 05:09:38,875
here for them and I want to

8033
05:09:38,875 --> 05:09:40,126
thank everybody for coming

8034
05:09:40,126 --> 05:09:41,292
together.

8035
05:09:41,292 --> 05:09:43,834
then on some county issues, I

8036
05:09:43,834 --> 05:09:45,625
want to say thank you to pam

8037
05:09:45,625 --> 05:09:47,499
from oc parks because that

8038
05:09:47,499 --> 05:09:49,251
weekend we didn't know where to

8039
05:09:49,251 --> 05:09:50,542
host this and we thought about

8040
05:09:50,542 --> 05:09:53,840
the freedom hall, freedom park

8041
05:09:53,840 --> 05:09:56,459
in monte square park is a

8042
05:09:56,459 --> 05:09:57,625
possibility she picked up my

8043
05:09:57,625 --> 05:09:59,499
call saturday morning just to

8044
05:09:59,499 --> 05:10:02,000
try to help us navigate to see

8045
05:10:02,000 --> 05:10:03,750
if it's possible but the family

8046
05:10:03,750 --> 05:10:06,459
wanted him to be near home just

8047
05:10:06,459 --> 05:10:08,792
in case pea needed to get back

8048
05:10:08,792 --> 05:10:11,167
to the house quicker than go all

8049
05:10:11,167 --> 05:10:13,000
the way to fountain valley but I

8050
05:10:13,000 --> 05:10:14,499
want to thank pam for picking up

8051
05:10:14,499 --> 05:10:16,875
my call when my deputy chief

8052
05:10:16,875 --> 05:10:18,126
diane called her saturday

8053
05:10:18,126 --> 05:10:19,500
morning. So, thank you, pam.

8054
05:10:19,500 --> 05:10:23,700
and then just a few things. We

8055
05:10:25,126 --> 05:10:26,750
hosted our community health care

8056
05:10:26,750 --> 05:10:29,376
and social service expo this

8057
05:10:29,376 --> 05:10:32,251
last weekend, wanted to thank oc

8058
05:10:32,251 --> 05:10:34,251
parks, county agencies,

8059
05:10:34,499 --> 05:10:36,899
non-profits, and lots of

8060
05:10:37,875 --> 05:10:40,959
volunteers. The expo had a lot

8061
05:10:40,959 --> 05:10:43,875
of health care services and many

8062
05:10:43,875 --> 05:10:45,499
other agency that were there to

8063
05:10:45,499 --> 05:10:49,990
assist. I want to thank tran

8064
05:10:49,499 --> 05:10:52,499
our ssa director he was there, I

8065
05:10:52,499 --> 05:10:54,500
want to thank cal-optima for

8066
05:10:54,500 --> 05:10:56,292
also being a part of it and

8067
05:10:56,292 --> 05:10:59,292
hosting. We had over know 700

8068
05:10:59,499 --> 05:11:01,499
people attended services include

8069
05:11:01,499 --> 05:11:03,499
medical, dental, vision,

8070
05:11:03,625 --> 05:11:06,000
recorders office was there,

8071
05:11:06,000 --> 05:11:08,542
legal aids, child support you

8072
05:11:08,542 --> 05:11:11,499
name it, ssa assisted over 100

8073
05:11:11,499 --> 05:11:12,729
people on their medi-cal and

8074
05:11:12,729 --> 05:11:14,729
cal-fresh applications over 400

8075
05:11:14,730 --> 05:11:17,173
people food items were provided

8076
05:11:17,173 --> 05:11:18,840
200 people were able to visit

8077
05:11:18,840 --> 05:11:20,705
the dental clinic and we gave

8078
05:11:20,705 --> 05:11:22,247
marriage license and also one

8079
05:11:22,247 --> 05:11:25,747
dog was also adopted from oc

8080
05:11:25,747 --> 05:11:27,583
animal care as well. Couple

8081
05:11:27,583 --> 05:11:29,840
things we are hosting in our

8082
05:11:29,840 --> 05:11:32,840
district coming up wanted to

8083
05:11:32,459 --> 05:11:34,499
highlight if it any agencies or

8084
05:11:34,499 --> 05:11:35,625
any businesses that would like

8085
05:11:35,625 --> 05:11:38,000
to partner with our non-profit

8086
05:11:38,000 --> 05:11:41,499
please let us know first our pet

8087
05:11:41,499 --> 05:11:43,364
expo will be coming up in the

8088
05:11:43,364 --> 05:11:44,752
district at city of huntington

8089
05:11:44,752 --> 05:11:47,251
beach at central park west on

8090
05:11:47,251 --> 05:11:48,917
april 25th as many of you know

8091
05:11:48,917 --> 05:11:50,583
one of my priorities has been to

8092
05:11:50,583 --> 05:11:52,967
help our animals at the shelter

8093
05:11:52,967 --> 05:11:54,752
and two of our shelters local

8094
05:11:54,752 --> 05:11:57,132
shelter managed by wags pet

8095
05:11:57,132 --> 05:11:58,364
adoption will also be there to

8096
05:11:58,364 --> 05:12:00,824
adopt thyself pets we start

8097
05:12:00,824 --> 05:12:02,991
hosting these expos to bring

8098
05:12:02,991 --> 05:12:05,991
animal awareness and bring the

8099
05:12:06,499 --> 05:12:08,499
animal to the community so this

8100
05:12:08,499 --> 05:12:11,917
will be free adoption city of

8101
05:12:11,917 --> 05:12:13,459
huntington beach will waive the

8102
05:12:13,459 --> 05:12:16,000
cat adoption fee county is

8103
05:12:16,000 --> 05:12:18,420
waiving the dog adoption fee

8104
05:12:18,420 --> 05:12:20,499
there will be vaccination clinic

8105
05:12:20,499 --> 05:12:21,834
affordable services you know

8106
05:12:21,834 --> 05:12:23,792
that would be like $15 for

8107
05:12:23,792 --> 05:12:26,192
rabies shots, no appointments

8108
05:12:26,459 --> 05:12:29,376
necessary we also have $50 off

8109
05:12:29,376 --> 05:12:31,709
coupons for spay and neuter at

8110
05:12:31,709 --> 05:12:34,109
low-cost golden state humane

8111
05:12:34,667 --> 05:12:36,499
society animal hospital as well

8112
05:12:36,499 --> 05:12:39,000
so if you are a pet business who

8113
05:12:39,000 --> 05:12:41,418
would like to participate any

8114
05:12:41,418 --> 05:12:42,499
non-profit county agency please

8115
05:12:42,499 --> 05:12:44,840
let us know and contact my

8116
05:12:44,840 --> 05:12:46,209
office. Next thing we're

8117
05:12:46,209 --> 05:12:48,126
hosting coming up in april is

8118
05:12:48,126 --> 05:12:51,726
our passport event our oc clerk

8119
05:12:51,750 --> 05:12:54,750
recorder hew wynn april 11th

8120
05:12:59,126 --> 05:13:01,792
from 9:00 a.m. To 3:00 p.m. At

8121
05:13:01,792 --> 05:13:04,167
garden grove courtyard center

8122
05:13:04,167 --> 05:13:06,000
we're going to be providing

8123
05:13:06,000 --> 05:13:07,251
assisting folks in the community

8124
05:13:07,251 --> 05:13:08,499
who would like to come out and

8125
05:13:08,499 --> 05:13:10,376
get their passport submit their

8126
05:13:10,376 --> 05:13:11,500
application et cetera please

8127
05:13:11,500 --> 05:13:13,875
reach tout my office. Thank you

8128
05:13:13,875 --> 05:13:15,000
mr. Chairman

8129
05:13:15,000 --> 05:13:16,466
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

8130
05:13:16,466 --> 05:13:17,841
you vice chair foley did you

8131
05:13:17,841 --> 05:13:19,134
have a comment?

8132
05:13:19,134 --> 05:13:19,847
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yeah

8133
05:13:19,847 --> 05:13:21,600
just real quickly, I want to

8134
05:13:21,600 --> 05:13:23,768
give an update we did vote on

8135
05:13:23,768 --> 05:13:26,768
supporting two items that relate

8136
05:13:27,917 --> 05:13:29,958
to the nitrous oxide bills

8137
05:13:29,958 --> 05:13:31,500
pending. The work is gaining

8138
05:13:31,500 --> 05:13:33,792
momentum in sacramento, senator,

8139
05:13:33,792 --> 05:13:36,192
umber has advanced sb 758

8140
05:13:36,917 --> 05:13:39,499
targeting retail sales at smoke

8141
05:13:39,499 --> 05:13:42,499
shops and similar outlets under

8142
05:13:44,000 --> 05:13:46,400
blakespear sb 936 which the

8143
05:13:47,542 --> 05:13:50,292
county cosponsor as well passed

8144
05:13:50,292 --> 05:13:52,209
the committee on march 17th so

8145
05:13:52,209 --> 05:13:54,834
both bills have got own out of

8146
05:13:54,834 --> 05:13:56,499
the committee the bill will

8147
05:13:56,499 --> 05:13:58,000
establish stronger statewide

8148
05:13:58,000 --> 05:14:00,000
standard for restricting

8149
05:14:02,418 --> 05:14:04,750
flavored and directly inhaleable

8150
05:14:04,750 --> 05:14:06,459
nitrous oxide products this

8151
05:14:06,459 --> 05:14:08,542
weekend. The reason why this is

8152
05:14:08,542 --> 05:14:10,376
real you see the picture behind

8153
05:14:10,376 --> 05:14:12,418
me maybe you have put it on the

8154
05:14:12,418 --> 05:14:14,209
screen so this weekend a friend

8155
05:14:14,209 --> 05:14:16,418
of mine stopped by just to pick

8156
05:14:16,418 --> 05:14:18,500
up a soda at the local liquor

8157
05:14:18,500 --> 05:14:20,209
store on his way to the 55

8158
05:14:20,209 --> 05:14:22,840
freeway and to his surprise he

8159
05:14:22,840 --> 05:14:24,209
saw this stack right next to the

8160
05:14:24,209 --> 05:14:26,609
cashier with shelves stocked

8161
05:14:27,499 --> 05:14:30,499
with nitrous oxide for purchase

8162
05:14:30,709 --> 05:14:33,499
this properties a clear issue of

8163
05:14:33,499 --> 05:14:35,667
enforcement and retailers being

8164
05:14:35,667 --> 05:14:36,500
permitted to sell this product

8165
05:14:36,500 --> 05:14:40,100
in open and then literally if

8166
05:14:40,167 --> 05:14:41,418
you walk outside with one of

8167
05:14:41,418 --> 05:14:43,459
these canisters, a police

8168
05:14:43,459 --> 05:14:44,625
officer could arrest you for

8169
05:14:44,625 --> 05:14:47,250
having possession of this

8170
05:14:52,499 --> 05:14:53,875
canister. I know notices have

8171
05:14:53,875 --> 05:14:56,292
gone out to the retailers to let

8172
05:14:56,292 --> 05:14:57,209
them know that this is illegal

8173
05:14:57,209 --> 05:14:59,792
and hopefully we can get some

8174
05:14:59,792 --> 05:15:01,499
traction going on from

8175
05:15:01,499 --> 05:15:02,499
prohibiting this in our

8176
05:15:02,499 --> 05:15:03,750
community because it is a public

8177
05:15:03,750 --> 05:15:05,625
health nuisance. And, so,

8178
05:15:05,625 --> 05:15:08,625
moving on to orange county

8179
05:15:11,499 --> 05:15:13,899
housing finance trust update.

8180
05:15:16,167 --> 05:15:17,499
the trust in the last week and

8181
05:15:17,499 --> 05:15:19,667
we hired a new fund and grant

8182
05:15:19,667 --> 05:15:21,499
raiser to get private money into

8183
05:15:21,499 --> 05:15:23,251
the trust to build workforce

8184
05:15:23,251 --> 05:15:24,499
housing and have more

8185
05:15:24,499 --> 05:15:25,959
flexibility with the dollars in

8186
05:15:25,959 --> 05:15:28,251
the trust. But to give an

8187
05:15:28,251 --> 05:15:30,459
update in 2025, the trust closed

8188
05:15:30,459 --> 05:15:32,499
its first acquisition loan

8189
05:15:32,499 --> 05:15:33,834
secured $3 million from

8190
05:15:33,834 --> 05:15:36,834
congressman korea for mark's way

8191
05:15:37,875 --> 05:15:39,667
project in orange completed ten

8192
05:15:39,667 --> 05:15:40,994
permanent loan conversion closed

8193
05:15:40,994 --> 05:15:42,622
three construction loans and

8194
05:15:42,622 --> 05:15:44,260
celebrated seven grand openings

8195
05:15:44,260 --> 05:15:45,327
across the county. Since 2018

8196
05:15:45,327 --> 05:15:47,701
these efforts have helped create

8197
05:15:47,701 --> 05:15:50,101
10115 affordable homes and we

8198
05:15:50,257 --> 05:15:53,257
have 1182 units in the pipeline

8199
05:15:53,258 --> 05:15:56,258
so good work happening there.

8200
05:15:56,367 --> 05:15:57,493
orange county housing authority

8201
05:15:57,493 --> 05:16:00,161
also has been hard at work

8202
05:16:00,161 --> 05:16:02,561
moving 475 households into the

8203
05:16:05,459 --> 05:16:07,418
housing choice voucher program,

8204
05:16:07,418 --> 05:16:08,875
and I want to really

8205
05:16:08,875 --> 05:16:10,709
congratulate our team here at

8206
05:16:10,709 --> 05:16:13,667
the county, because the state

8207
05:16:13,667 --> 05:16:17,267
auditor has given us a really

8208
05:16:18,376 --> 05:16:19,499
positive review in terms of how

8209
05:16:19,499 --> 05:16:22,840
we handled our housing choice

8210
05:16:22,840 --> 05:16:25,684
voucher lottery and we got a

8211
05:16:26,625 --> 05:16:29,625
clear no negative findings. We

8212
05:16:30,499 --> 05:16:33,499
-- it showed no deficiencies and

8213
05:16:33,499 --> 05:16:35,499
that what I thought was a really

8214
05:16:35,499 --> 05:16:37,499
incredible number was 97%

8215
05:16:40,750 --> 05:16:42,709
acceptance rate. So, 97% of the

8216
05:16:42,709 --> 05:16:44,583
people who applied for housing

8217
05:16:44,583 --> 05:16:46,583
choice voucher were accepted.

8218
05:16:46,583 --> 05:16:49,583
and 82% of the emergency housing

8219
05:16:51,499 --> 05:16:53,376
voucher recipients have been

8220
05:16:53,376 --> 05:16:54,792
housed. So, good work. Thank

8221
05:16:54,792 --> 05:16:57,750
you to our housing team.

8222
05:16:57,750 --> 05:17:00,792
next up we have some town halls

8223
05:17:00,792 --> 05:17:03,499
coming up. We have -- gosh a

8224
05:17:03,499 --> 05:17:07,990
lot of town halls rancho mission

8225
05:17:09,970 --> 05:17:10,430
viejo town hall will be march

8226
05:17:10,430 --> 05:17:12,932
26th that's our senior supports

8227
05:17:12,932 --> 05:17:15,170
town hall will be focused on

8228
05:17:15,170 --> 05:17:17,500
senior scams trying to make sure

8229
05:17:17,500 --> 05:17:19,376
the communities knows about some

8230
05:17:19,376 --> 05:17:21,792
red flags to look for so they

8231
05:17:21,792 --> 05:17:23,792
don't get scammed we also have

8232
05:17:23,792 --> 05:17:26,792
our dana point harbor annual

8233
05:17:27,625 --> 05:17:29,917
town hall with our oversight

8234
05:17:29,917 --> 05:17:31,583
committee where we give update

8235
05:17:31,583 --> 05:17:34,583
on revitalization of the harbor

8236
05:17:34,648 --> 05:17:36,730
to answer questions joined by

8237
05:17:36,730 --> 05:17:38,274
our oversight committee members

8238
05:17:38,274 --> 05:17:40,920
as well as dana point harbor

8239
05:17:40,920 --> 05:17:41,636
partners we'll have our e-bike

8240
05:17:41,636 --> 05:17:43,762
safety town hall april 6th that

8241
05:17:43,762 --> 05:17:46,847
will include a free bike helmet

8242
05:17:46,847 --> 05:17:49,150
give away while supplies last

8243
05:17:49,150 --> 05:17:50,265
hopefully you will join us then

8244
05:17:50,265 --> 05:17:53,182
my final update is on our flood

8245
05:17:53,182 --> 05:17:54,517
control improvements I want to

8246
05:17:54,517 --> 05:17:57,351
thank our orange county public

8247
05:17:57,351 --> 05:17:59,728
works staff and flood district

8248
05:17:59,728 --> 05:18:02,102
staff for amazing work they do

8249
05:18:02,102 --> 05:18:03,103
we continue to address the

8250
05:18:03,103 --> 05:18:05,104
public safety issues related to

8251
05:18:05,104 --> 05:18:07,857
people congregating in our flood

8252
05:18:07,857 --> 05:18:09,983
channels or in our parks near

8253
05:18:09,983 --> 05:18:11,490
flood channels so last year we

8254
05:18:11,490 --> 05:18:12,900
launched this new program to

8255
05:18:12,900 --> 05:18:14,126
install security cameras and

8256
05:18:14,126 --> 05:18:15,319
increase patrols and add

8257
05:18:15,319 --> 05:18:17,278
anticlimbing fencing in critical

8258
05:18:17,278 --> 05:18:19,292
areas then oc public works has

8259
05:18:19,292 --> 05:18:21,692
disposed more than 25,000 cubic

8260
05:18:21,750 --> 05:18:23,334
yards of trash from our channels

8261
05:18:23,334 --> 05:18:26,934
what does that mean? Think of

8262
05:18:27,499 --> 05:18:30,499
seven olympic side size swimming

8263
05:18:34,542 --> 05:18:36,750
pools, I don't know if they

8264
05:18:36,750 --> 05:18:38,499
showed the picture but we have

8265
05:18:38,499 --> 05:18:39,875
some before and after pictures

8266
05:18:39,875 --> 05:18:41,251
thank you to public works staff

8267
05:18:41,251 --> 05:18:43,499
for helping us keep things clean

8268
05:18:43,499 --> 05:18:45,500
and safe. That's all I have

8269
05:18:45,500 --> 05:18:46,334
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

8270
05:18:46,334 --> 05:18:48,420
you vice chair sarmiento any

8271
05:18:48,420 --> 05:18:50,420
comments?

8272
05:18:52,420 --> 05:18:53,126
>>vincente sarmiento: yes I

8273
05:18:53,126 --> 05:18:55,239
have a few but will compress

8274
05:18:55,239 --> 05:18:57,750
down to one it's actually a

8275
05:18:57,750 --> 05:18:58,826
positive thing I love ending on

8276
05:18:58,826 --> 05:19:00,785
something that's optimistic and

8277
05:19:00,785 --> 05:19:02,243
positive so I want to give a

8278
05:19:02,243 --> 05:19:03,620
huge congratulations to the

8279
05:19:03,620 --> 05:19:05,830
modern day monarchs an

8280
05:19:05,830 --> 05:19:08,810
incredible season there in the

8281
05:19:08,810 --> 05:19:10,481
inaugural cif state soccer

8282
05:19:11,373 --> 05:19:13,248
championships the boy's team

8283
05:19:13,248 --> 05:19:15,500
came out on top with 21 victory

8284
05:19:15,500 --> 05:19:18,500
over alvarez high school and

8285
05:19:18,998 --> 05:19:21,375
right after that the girls team

8286
05:19:21,375 --> 05:19:24,975
captured the d1 title with 2-0

8287
05:19:26,292 --> 05:19:29,292
victory over bishop, this is

8288
05:19:29,418 --> 05:19:32,292
more than just a championship

8289
05:19:32,292 --> 05:19:34,499
it's a proud moment for santa

8290
05:19:34,499 --> 05:19:36,583
ana and orange county modern day

8291
05:19:36,583 --> 05:19:38,499
to host nationally ranked

8292
05:19:38,499 --> 05:19:40,542
football teams basketball teams

8293
05:19:40,542 --> 05:19:43,542
it does generate athletes that

8294
05:19:43,834 --> 05:19:46,834
go into professional sports and

8295
05:19:47,625 --> 05:19:49,499
now soccer will be one of them

8296
05:19:49,499 --> 05:19:51,167
so on the eve of the world cup

8297
05:19:51,167 --> 05:19:53,499
it's really a great moment for

8298
05:19:53,499 --> 05:19:55,459
our community big shout out to

8299
05:19:55,459 --> 05:19:56,542
players families school

8300
05:19:56,542 --> 05:19:58,834
community and of course boys

8301
05:19:58,834 --> 05:20:01,418
soccer and coach sean gaine and

8302
05:20:01,418 --> 05:20:03,620
girls soccer coach maddie west

8303
05:20:03,620 --> 05:20:04,687
their leadership dedication to

8304
05:20:04,687 --> 05:20:05,951
all these student athletes

8305
05:20:05,951 --> 05:20:07,453
really help them achieve

8306
05:20:07,453 --> 05:20:09,454
something historic. I just want

8307
05:20:09,454 --> 05:20:11,581
to give special mention to

8308
05:20:11,581 --> 05:20:13,872
isaiah kovarubias macias. He

8309
05:20:13,872 --> 05:20:15,996
was a young man on the soccer

8310
05:20:15,996 --> 05:20:17,874
team, son of superior court

8311
05:20:17,874 --> 05:20:20,874
judge elizabeth macias and cesar

8312
05:20:20,917 --> 05:20:23,317
kovarubias, director of kennedy

8313
05:20:23,667 --> 05:20:25,792
commission that focuses in

8314
05:20:25,792 --> 05:20:28,126
affordable housing. So great

8315
05:20:28,126 --> 05:20:30,420
family produced an incredible

8316
05:20:30,420 --> 05:20:32,875
athlete but all the modern day

8317
05:20:32,875 --> 05:20:34,251
monarchs and everybody in the

8318
05:20:34,251 --> 05:20:36,499
community that loves soccer here

8319
05:20:36,499 --> 05:20:39,750
in the county but it's a good

8320
05:20:39,750 --> 05:20:41,959
moment for us to shine statewide

8321
05:20:41,959 --> 05:20:44,126
hopefully with these teams will

8322
05:20:44,126 --> 05:20:46,834
go far will compete nationally

8323
05:20:46,834 --> 05:20:49,234
but that's my comment.

8324
05:20:50,667 --> 05:20:51,499
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

8325
05:20:51,499 --> 05:20:53,499
you. If I may make my own

8326
05:20:53,499 --> 05:20:56,750
comments I want to say thank you

8327
05:20:56,750 --> 05:20:59,304
to the first county park

8328
05:20:59,304 --> 05:21:00,669
department as well as orange

8329
05:21:00,669 --> 05:21:02,171
county employees for helping

8330
05:21:02,171 --> 05:21:04,379
out with our kids fishing derby

8331
05:21:04,379 --> 05:21:07,292
at carbon canyon park last

8332
05:21:07,292 --> 05:21:09,834
saturday march 15th at about 500

8333
05:21:09,834 --> 05:21:11,499
people came out for a wonderful

8334
05:21:11,499 --> 05:21:13,459
day the weather wasn't too bad

8335
05:21:13,459 --> 05:21:15,499
which is good and we're now

8336
05:21:15,499 --> 05:21:16,499
taking applications for our

8337
05:21:16,499 --> 05:21:18,499
summer 2026 future leaders

8338
05:21:18,834 --> 05:21:20,499
program applications are due by

8339
05:21:20,499 --> 05:21:24,990
thursday april 9th and I urge

8340
05:21:26,460 --> 05:21:29,583
people who are interested to get

8341
05:21:29,583 --> 05:21:32,110
the application in, last year we

8342
05:21:32,110 --> 05:21:34,219
were oversubscribed had to turn

8343
05:21:34,219 --> 05:21:35,709
away a few people students who

8344
05:21:35,709 --> 05:21:36,835
participate learned about

8345
05:21:36,835 --> 05:21:38,168
leadership skills explore

8346
05:21:38,168 --> 05:21:40,168
different career opportunities

8347
05:21:40,201 --> 05:21:41,917
learn about county government we

8348
05:21:41,917 --> 05:21:45,959
let them put on a mock board of

8349
05:21:45,959 --> 05:21:47,625
supervisors meeting where each

8350
05:21:47,625 --> 05:21:49,875
of them writes up an item they

8351
05:21:49,875 --> 05:21:51,667
would like it see passed then

8352
05:21:51,667 --> 05:21:53,625
sitting with their colleagues

8353
05:21:53,625 --> 05:21:55,792
who are joining them on that

8354
05:21:55,792 --> 05:21:58,499
board see if they can convince

8355
05:21:58,499 --> 05:22:00,251
them to approve it so that's

8356
05:22:00,251 --> 05:22:03,251
always an exercise we have

8357
05:22:05,499 --> 05:22:09,990
coming up friday april 17th the

8358
05:22:12,625 --> 05:22:14,376
children will be putting on a

8359
05:22:14,376 --> 05:22:16,111
seminar in la harbor city hall

8360
05:22:16,111 --> 05:22:19,365
which is built around an atrium

8361
05:22:19,365 --> 05:22:21,330
as one of the most beautiful

8362
05:22:21,330 --> 05:22:23,451
city halls that I know of shout

8363
05:22:23,451 --> 05:22:26,760
out to la harbor make it

8364
05:22:26,760 --> 05:22:28,270
available to us at no-cost they

8365
05:22:28,270 --> 05:22:30,480
roll out the tables and chairs

8366
05:22:30,480 --> 05:22:32,167
and audio visual no charge clean

8367
05:22:32,167 --> 05:22:34,499
up for us we do provide the food

8368
05:22:34,499 --> 05:22:37,500
so starts at 12:30 p.m. On that

8369
05:22:37,500 --> 05:22:40,251
date then interest is a career

8370
05:22:40,251 --> 05:22:42,167
fair we're going to put on we

8371
05:22:42,167 --> 05:22:46,367
did last year in brea mall for

8372
05:22:46,750 --> 05:22:48,792
far more people than we expected

8373
05:22:48,792 --> 05:22:50,499
turned out because of where it

8374
05:22:50,499 --> 05:22:51,875
was people coming through the

8375
05:22:51,875 --> 05:22:54,709
mall had about 800 people turn

8376
05:22:54,709 --> 05:22:58,309
out, they gave us some national

8377
05:22:58,500 --> 05:23:00,750
publicity county for the career

8378
05:23:00,750 --> 05:23:03,499
fair we did last year again will

8379
05:23:03,499 --> 05:23:06,499
be doing another one tuesday

8380
05:23:09,209 --> 05:23:10,875
april 21, '10 a.m. To 1:00 p.m.

8381
05:23:10,875 --> 05:23:12,251
there will be a lot of employers

8382
05:23:12,251 --> 05:23:15,418
out there you can look for a job

8383
05:23:15,418 --> 05:23:17,499
we'll help you look for some

8384
05:23:17,499 --> 05:23:20,834
online, write a résumé if you

8385
05:23:20,834 --> 05:23:22,499
need that and you will be able

8386
05:23:22,499 --> 05:23:23,792
to interview with a large number

8387
05:23:23,792 --> 05:23:26,167
of employers and go shopping as

8388
05:23:26,167 --> 05:23:29,499
well if you want then the second

8389
05:23:29,499 --> 05:23:31,840
anniversary of the office of

8390
05:23:31,840 --> 05:23:33,418
immigration and refugee affairs

8391
05:23:33,418 --> 05:23:36,000
I had the wrong date it's

8392
05:23:36,000 --> 05:23:38,400
actually april, we celebrating

8393
05:23:38,875 --> 05:23:41,209
the second annual celebration of

8394
05:23:41,209 --> 05:23:42,625
its creation with that I have

8395
05:23:42,625 --> 05:23:44,000
nothing further is there any

8396
05:23:44,000 --> 05:23:45,667
other thing for the good of the

8397
05:23:45,667 --> 05:23:48,667
country? Do we have any?

8398
05:23:50,000 --> 05:23:53,000
seeing no memorials. All right

8399
05:23:54,000 --> 05:23:56,418
in this case I'm going to

8400
05:23:56,418 --> 05:23:57,834
adjourn the meeting our next

8401
05:23:57,834 --> 05:24:00,834
meeting will be right here

8402
05:24:02,251 --> 05:24:04,917
beginning 9:30 a.m. April 14th

8403
05:24:04,917 --> 05:24:07,317
we do our presentation

8404
05:24:08,499 --> 05:24:10,000
recognizing worthy causes as

8405
05:24:10,000 --> 05:24:13,167
nine we do our best to start at

8406
05:24:13,167 --> 05:24:15,499
9:30 we never quite make it

8407
05:24:15,499 --> 05:24:17,917
seems more like ten that's our

8408
05:24:17,917 --> 05:24:19,499
intent so with that in mind,

8409
05:24:19,499 --> 05:24:22,499
we're adjourned. Thank you all.

8410
05:24:25,930 --> 05:24:27,930
[adjourned]