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Chase good morning everyone.

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We'll begin our meeting with

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presentations starting with

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child abuse prevention month,

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and that's APRIL.

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Blue ribbon, a symbol of child

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abuse prevention possibility

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raises awareness and represents

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our commitment in taking a stand

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against abuse and safeguarding

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the well-being of children while

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encouraging others to do the

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same.

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I don't have the ribbon yet, but

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I do have blue, so we wear blue

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today, this month to show

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solidarity in the fight against

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child abuse and neglect.

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Child abuse takes many forms,

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whether it's neglect, physical

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or emotional abuse, online

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bullying or sexual exploitation.

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Young people today face many

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threats and challenges.

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In the united states 1 in seven

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children have been the victim of

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abuse and neglect during the

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previous year.

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In 1924 where almost 30,000

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referrals to our social services

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agencies due to suspected abuse

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and neglect.

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Children and family services

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division director lon english,

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deputy director scott burdennic.

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Deputy director ian wolf, deputy

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director rita wrangle, deputy

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director christy physician come.

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If you would please join us up

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here. It takes unite effort

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from teachers, health care

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workers, neighbors to law

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enforcement and nonprofits to

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prevent child abuse.

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Children who are mistreated and

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neglected are also more likely

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to be victims or perpetrators

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themselves of violence until

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future, abuse drugs, contract

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various diseases, especially

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mental issues, and have brain

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development delays, there's some

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statistics on that, and worse

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educational attainment and had

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fewer job options. Toxic

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stress, which in -- brain

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development can raise risk of

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issues such as post training

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stress disorder and long-term

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struggles with learning and

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attention and memory. Orange

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county is lucky to have a strong

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network of partners that focuses

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on prevention efforts through

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education, advocacy and

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community engagement. Children

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who receive is timely support

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services demonstrate a stronger

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academic performance and

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healthier behavioral

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development. Public health

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research confirms that

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preventing childhood trauma

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reduces adult depression,

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substance abuse, and their

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health challenges. So I'll

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start with our children, and it

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can unfortunately become worse

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as we become an adult. Each of

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us has a role in preventing

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child abuse whether it is

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mentoring a child, supporting a

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family in crisis or simply

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reporting signs of concern.

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They must remain vigilant not

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just in APRIL but year round

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about recognizing signs of

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abuse, offering support and

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fighting for policies that keep

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children safe. I encourage all

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orange county residents to learn

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the signs of child abuse and how

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to report concerns. If you ever

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suspect a child is being abused

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or neglected, please call our

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child abuse hotline at

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714-940-1000. Or another

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number, 800-207-4464. Thank you

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to all of the parents, social

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workers, community partners, law

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enforcement, prosecutors and

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volunteers who dedicate

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themselves the same every day,

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and thank you to those who have

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joined us up on the dais for the

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great work they are doing. And

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it is your work that changes

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lives and ensures the future

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that our children are healthy

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and become active adults. I'd

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like to invite my cosponsor,

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supervisor sarmiento, but he's

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not able to join thus morning.

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But he and I together brought

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this item forward. I'd like to

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invite my colleagues, if any of

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you would like to say a few

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words. Vice-chair.

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: good

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morning. I'm katrina foley,

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county supervisor representing

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the fabulous fifth district.

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The fifth district covers costa

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mesa where I live all the way

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down the coast to san clemente.

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APRIL is child abuse prevention

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month. Our children deserve to

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be at home and anywhere in the

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community, happy, healthy, and

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safe. The 2026 child abuse

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prevention month theme is

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pinwheel a possibility. This

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theme represents hope,

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resilience and the shared

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responsibility that we all have

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to every child in orange county,

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to be able to grow new a safe,

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supportive and nurturing

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environment. In 2025, as the

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chairman mentioned, we had

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nearly 30,000 reports of child

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abuse and neglect in orange

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county. These are documented

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calls to our child abuse

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hotline. Of those calls, 4,189

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represented calls that related

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to child abuse in district 5.

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In 2025, 31,055 children were --

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3155 children were placed in

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out-of-home care due to unsafe

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conditions at home, that's

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throughout orange county. 242

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Home should be the safest place

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for children. Thank you to our

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county's social services agency

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for your proactive efforts to

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reduce and prevent abuse,

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providing parents with resources

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for childcare, mental health

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support and financial

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assistance. Right now more than

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ever, we need to keep our eyes

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on the kids, as people struggle

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with financial burden, as people

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struggle with loss of their

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employment, as we see the cost

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of living increase in orange

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county, unfortunately, there is

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a tie often to child abuse and

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neglect. So we want to make

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sure, if you see something, say

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something. We extend our

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gratitude to all of the social

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worker professionals, health

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professionals, law enforcement,

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for your work to protect our

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young neighbors. And please do,

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if you see something, call child

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abuse hotline at 714-940-1000 or

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800-207-4465. And report child

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abuse. Thank you so much.

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>>don wagner: let me start to

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say thank you to the exphairm

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supervisor sarmiento for

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bringing this forward and

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highlighting the importance of

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the issue. The truth is we

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always hear government come up

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and talking about, oh, it's for

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the children, it's for the

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children. This one obviously

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and truly is. And it's for not

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just the children today, but for

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future generations. You heard

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the statistics, from the

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CHAIRMAN About the number of

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cases, and we have the chance to

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see some of the stories behind

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those cases as we're dealing

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with lawsuits, et cetera,

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occasionally. And they are

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uniformly horrific. What also,

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though, happens is that so often

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an abused child is the product

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of a parent who was abused

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himself or herself and absent

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treatment, again, as you heard

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there my colleagues before me --

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absent treatment, that cycle

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perpetuates itself. And so we

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have an opportunity with a focus

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on this issue. Not just today,

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not just for this month, but as

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we move forward, focus on this

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issue. We can break that cycle.

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The men and women behind me, who

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are doing this work, are heroes.

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They work with hundreds of other

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heroes out in the community

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trying to break that cycle for

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our children and for our future

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generations. If you see

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something, say something.

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That's truth. In this case it

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matters -- that's trite. In

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this case, it matters. And if

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you see one of these people that

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they work with, thank them.

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They are truly, truly doing

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extraordinary work. Thank you.

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>>speaker: thank you, chair

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chaffee and the board of

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supervisors for this opportunity

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for us to honor and recognize

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the work being done to prevent

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child abuse and neglect. As you

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guys have heard, last year

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social services agency received

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nearly 30,000 reports of

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suspected child abuse and/or

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neglect. Prevention has really

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been the key in reducing child

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abuse. Through our strong

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partnerships we strive raise

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awareness, to help families

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access services before child

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welfare intervention is

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necessary. We invest in mental

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health services and parenting

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programs through our family

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resource centers where our

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families and communities are

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very familiar with. When a

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child does come into our system,

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we strive for stability and

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permanency through a family's

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finding and engagement,

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reconnecting our youth with

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people in their lives. I'd like

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to take the time to share a

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successful connection that we

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recently had. Through the

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efforts of our social workers, a

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child recently reconnected with

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an uncle living out of state. A

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video-call was arranged between

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the uncle and the child. The

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child overwhelmingly said, this

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family member's phone number

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into my phone. In addition to

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connections like these, we

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familiar faces, cultures and

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languages, reducing trauma and

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promoting healing. That's why

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I'm so proud to report that

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orange county remains the top

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county in california placing

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children with relatives. We're

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at 48% with foster -- with our

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foster youth played with

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relatives currently right now,

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something we should be very

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proud of. When family placement

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is not possible, we rely on all

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of you, our community, to step

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in. Fostering can be

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challenging, but the reward is

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greater. If you know someone

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that's willing to foster, please

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encourage them to contact us at

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ocforkids.Com. As always, as

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mentioned earlier today, if you

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suspect child abuse, please call

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our child abuse hotline at

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714-940-1000. Thank you again,

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chair chaffee, and the board,

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and everyone in the community

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working to make our community

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stronger for our children.

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Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>>chair, doug chaffee: I know I

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have a blue ribbon. I just need

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someone to help me pin it on.

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But anyway...

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Our next presentation is for our

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national public health work

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that's being brought forward by

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my office and also our fifth

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district vice-chair, and so I

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might begin by making a few

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remarks. American public health

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association initiated the

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observance of national "public

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health week" to highlight the

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contributions of public health

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and encourage people to become

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part of a movement for a

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healthier nation. This year

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national "public health week"'s

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theme is "ready, set, action,"

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which emphasizes the importance

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of proactive steps to formulate

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a healthier future. This week's

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focus is on prevention and

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creating healthy lifestyle

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habits to make the future

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healthy. Public health is

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crucial for community

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well-being, playing a vital

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role, identifying needs,

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promoting healthy practices and

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supporting healthy lifestyles.

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The orange county department of

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health monitors and investigates

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the occurrence of disease,

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injury, and related factors in

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the community to develop and

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implement preventative

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strategies to improve the health

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of a public. We have a great

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lab that does research on agency public

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health team, jenna siren, the

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director of public health and

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nursing, darwin chang, director

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of environmental health, eileen

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curtly, assistant director of

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environmental health, la rush

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sha baker, health services

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manager, annabella balanos,

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program supervisor, danielle

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jaramillo, administrative

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manager. When discussing public

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health, we must also focus on

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health equity. Everyone needs

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the same opportunity to attain

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their highest level of health.

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Achieving health equity means

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breaking down systematic

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barriers that affect how our

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communities access information

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about public health and receive

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help. Public health

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professionals are important

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partners collaborating across

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sectors that can influence

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health outcomes. Public health

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professionals help individuals

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adopt healthier lifestyles by

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avoiding tobacco use, eating

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healthier, increasing physical

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activity, and preventing

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unintentional injuries at home

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and in the workplace. Thank you

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to our healthcare agency public

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health staff for their diligent

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work keeping oc healthy and

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safe. And thank you all of you

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for joining us up here. Before

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director air ron gives her

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remarks, I'd like to invite

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vice-chair foley to give her

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remarks and then open it up to

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my colleagues. Vice-chair.

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

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you. I also want to recognize

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DR. Which he knowsio quonking,

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who is our healthcare officer,

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who has joined us up here today

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as well. National "public

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health week". We are a healthy

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community here in orange county,

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and we are lucky because we have

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a lot of places where we can

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improve the quality of our

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health. We exercise at the

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beach. We can go to one of our

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many, beautiful, open-space

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parks and bike or walk. We have

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more yoga studios than probably

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anywhere in america. We have

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all kinds of places, even in the

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workplace, especially here at

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the county where we want to help

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encourage our workers to stay

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healthy, accessing wellness

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opportunities every day. This

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year's theme, "ready, set,

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action" highlights the urgency

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of advantages health equity and

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ensuring every resident gains

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access to the resources that

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they need to live a long and

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happy, healthy life. National

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"public health week" was

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organized first in 1995 as a way

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to advance policies, practices,

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and individuals dedicated to

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strengthening our nation's

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health. And living a healthy

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lifestyle means so many things

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to so many people. Just

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yesterday I was in sacramento

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advocating for a ban on nitrous

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oxide, from being sold here in

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orange county and across the

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state of california, reducing

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substance abuse from these types

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of products that are being sold

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to individuals, especially our

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young adults. Investing in

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seniors for their health by

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hosting free clinics with our

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partners at caloptima health and

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promoting clean air by

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transitioning to electric fleet,

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promoting electric vehicle

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charging stations throughout

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orange county so that we can

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reduce smog and pollution. Of

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course, our environmental health

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team tests our water toes make

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sure that our beaches and

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waterways are clean and free

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from bacteria and toxins. So we

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want to thank them. Our public

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health leaders in orange county

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do a tremendous job. They work

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tirelessly to make sure that

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orange county remains healthy

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and make sure that we are green

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and clean here in the county of

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orange. So thank you, to all of

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you, for all of your good work.

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>>don wagner: so one of the

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first things I did -- in fact,

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maybe the first thing I did when

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I moved to orange county back in

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the '90s was joined an

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organization dedicated to public

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health. It was the american

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lung association. Got founded

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years and years ago to fight

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tuberculosis. Has had some

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success on that front, but the

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work continues with the lung

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association. So I was on their

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board and PRESIDENT For a while.

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And then of course when covid

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came along it seemed like all of

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us were public health

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professionals, we all knew

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whether masks worked or did work

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and social distancing. We all

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seemed to know. But the truth

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is the experts and those

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questions are the folks behind

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us. And thankfully we got covid

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behind us. We ended up with,

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again, the remaining challenges

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that are still out there. And

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we do see measles. We do see

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the nile virus. We do see some

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environmental concerns spoken of

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by my colleague, the vice-chair.

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we have an enormous number of

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public health challenges in a

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diverse and x-acto oh they can

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be both -- community. And the

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men and women of the public

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health department do yeoman's

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labor on behalf the public. And

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those are the professionals whom

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we on the board of supervisors

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look for answers to the

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questions of what do we do, what

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are the good policies we pursue,

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and who we trust to be out there

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on the forefront in the

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community recognizing these

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problems and delivering to the

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extent possible that kind of

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robust, good health, good

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advice, good programs that,

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again, were talked about by my

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colleagues. So thank you to our

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public health department. Often

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you are unsung. When do you

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have a spotlight shined on you,

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it's because some bad things are

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happening. But these men and

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women rise to the challenge, and

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I want to thank them.

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>>speaker: good morning, and

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thank you so much, honorable

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CHAIRMAN Chaffee and honorable

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board. Obviously, I'm not jenna

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serin, but I am DR. Ck, your

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county health officer and here

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to present on behalf of both

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jenna theron, the public health

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director, as well as myself and

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the whole entire team., so

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yes, the theme is "ready, set,

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action," and there's a lot to

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do. You've probably seen all

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overnight news of what things

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you can do to prepare and keep

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our community healthy. We want

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to thank you. But just know

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behind the scenes we have a

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dedicated team that is working

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around the clock to help protect

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our community and allow for us

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to have such a vibrant

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community. So public health is

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the foundation of a healthy and

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thriving community, and since

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its establishment in 1889 when

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we only had 13,000 in orange

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county, we faced a

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a lot of

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different infectious disease

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outbreaks, and that was the

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foundation of our public health

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department. And as you see

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today, we are more active than

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ever. We are using all of

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advancements that we have to

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continue to detect outbreaks and

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address them. And this year we

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have made significant strides in

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improving health outcomes. Over

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the last year, the community --

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the communitiesable disease

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control division, which is a

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very small group, considering

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how big our county is, they

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conducted over 6800 case

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investigations and that means

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calling a whole lot of people, a

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lot of organizations to get down

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to you the terms of what

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actually caused an outbreak and

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where it actually started. The

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public health service clinic

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served over 17,000 families and

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patients reducing the spread for

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infectious disease. Our

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pulmonary disease services is

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one of our busiest tb clinics in

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the nation. We serve -- we have

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the sixth highest number of tb

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active cases compared to other

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states in the united states

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counties.. Our community

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nursing team provided health

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management support to over 6,000

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clients and our health promotion

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team provided education for

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families, schools, and equipping

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them with the tools to make

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healthy lifestyle decisions

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including distribution of 3,000

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dental kits and our public

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health laboratory, which is the

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newest and greatest here in

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california, analyzed over

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2-1-1,000 lab samples giving

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healthcare providers diagnostic

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information for their patients

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and our environmental health

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division the information on the

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safety of our recreational

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drinking water. And I had the

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pleasure and honor to actually

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be on call this weekend and also

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got all of those calls, and we

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put our public health lab into

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action to rule out some suspect

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measles cases and they are

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working diligently. And 26,000

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health permits were issued to

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businesses including

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restaurants, industrial

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facilities, body art studios,

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waste sites, contributing to

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ensuring orange county's a safe

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place to live, work and visit.

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The program would not be

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possible without strong

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collaboration and partnership

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with healthcare system and

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community partners and everyone

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we serve. So on behalf of the

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healthcare agency, I want to

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thank our dedicated public

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health workforce for their

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expertise, our public health

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leaders, who continue to workday

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in and day out to protect all of

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our staff and our residents, and

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we sincerely appreciate the

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board's support in all of our

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efforts, and we want to thank

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you, paul, and happy "public

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health week".

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[Applause]

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>>chair, doug chaffee: we have

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one more presentation this

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morning being brought forward by

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vice-chair foley, so our

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airports fly friendly program.

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Vice-chair.

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>>v. Chair, katrina foley: good

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morning, everyone. Vice-chair

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foley again representing the

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fabulous fifth district where we

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host our orange county airport.

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And talk about a public health

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00:26:42,683 --> 00:26:44,185
matter, we are work tirelessly

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at the airport to green it up

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and clean it up and make sure

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that the planes overhead are

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quieter, more friendly, and less

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polluting to our neighbors. So

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a few years ago we developed

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through our airport advisory

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00:27:03,905 --> 00:27:06,274
team the fly-friendly program.

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00:27:06,274 --> 00:27:08,274
The fly-friendly program

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encourages general off asian,

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jet operators and pilots --

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general aviation, jet operators

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and pilots to reduce noise foot

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print and adopt

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environmentally-sustainable

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practices. We launched the

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00:27:21,889 --> 00:27:23,758
program in 2022 and john wayne

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airport partners with the

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general aviation community to

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advance responsible aviation.

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So the general aviation

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community are not the commercial

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00:27:30,931 --> 00:27:32,200
planes. They're the small

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planes and the jets that fly

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out. And so what we've tried to

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do 17 courage through education

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to inform the pilots, who MAY

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00:27:42,476 --> 00:27:43,945
not live here -- most do not --

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about the uniqueness of our

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00:27:45,913 --> 00:27:47,715
orange county airport and how

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00:27:47,715 --> 00:27:50,551
residents are right under foot

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00:27:50,551 --> 00:27:52,860
as you leave the runway. And so

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they can fly a specific

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00:27:53,921 --> 00:27:55,990
departure that is a quieter

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departure, that is less

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impactful on the neighbors,

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especially in the cities of

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newport beach and costa mesa,

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and they also can really

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encourage their operators to

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support some of our sustainable

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00:28:14,542 --> 00:28:16,778
practices and also not travel

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late at night after the

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commercial curfew. So the

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curfew only applies to

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commercial flights. It does not

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apply to the general aviation

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and the settlement agreement

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that we have, which is, by the

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way, the most restrictive of any

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airport in america. So we're

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doing everything we can to

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fulfill the needs of the

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community in terms of their

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aviation and travel needs but

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while making sure that we are

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flying friendly overhead in

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orange county. Another way that

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we've been working to reduce

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noise aside from the general

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aviation is our airport director

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charlene reynolds has done an

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exceptional job with our team

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and talking with the commercial

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pilots to get them to change out

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their planes so that they are

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the cleaner, quieter planes, so

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that they are less impactful to

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the neighborhoods. So this year

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we recognize through our

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data-driven scoring system two

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00:29:14,235 --> 00:29:16,635
fixed-based operators, both clay

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00:29:17,505 --> 00:29:19,540
lacy and aci jet as well as 12

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awardees who really did a good

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00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:25,577
job in reducing the noise over

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the neighborhoods. So for tier

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1, we have baker aviation in

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first place. Second place is

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wheels up. Third place is net

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jets aviation. We wanted to

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highlight these pilots and

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operators because we want to

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make sure that the community

738
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knows these are the ones who are

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00:29:46,635 --> 00:29:49,400
good -- flying friendly and

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00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,404
being good neighbors. Tier 2,

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first up is air transport, ati

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00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,770
jet. Second is jet edge, and

743
00:29:56,770 --> 00:29:58,477
third airshare. Tier 3, first

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00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
up is charter airlines, second

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00:30:02,484 --> 00:30:03,718
sun air jets, and third bellair.

746
00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:07,122
And then finally in tier 4, we

747
00:30:07,122 --> 00:30:10,122
have first place newport sea

748
00:30:10,425 --> 00:30:12,761
pines, llc, second avmax

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00:30:12,761 --> 00:30:15,161
aircraft leasing, inc., and

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00:30:16,364 --> 00:30:19,364
third mount olive holdings, llc.

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00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:22,504
All of these general aviation

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00:30:22,504 --> 00:30:23,438
operators and pilots are doing a

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00:30:23,438 --> 00:30:27,380
great job of reduce noise and

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00:30:27,175 --> 00:30:28,209
helping us to mitigate noise and

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00:30:28,209 --> 00:30:30,178
encouraging eco-friendly

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aviation practices. So thank

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you for maintaining a friendly

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environment for our neighbors,

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00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:40,618
and we want to ensure that we

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continue to have the premier

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airport, the best, largest

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airport in america two years in

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00:30:47,696 --> 00:30:49,431
a row. So we're working on our

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third year and fly-friendly

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program is helping us to

766
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continue to be good neighbors.

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So I'd like to invite up from

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clay lacy aviation, who was able

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to be here. And by the way, a

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00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:01,877
lot of these pilots don't live

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00:31:01,877 --> 00:31:04,780
in the area, so we'll be sending

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00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:06,315
their recognitions to them. I'd

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00:31:06,315 --> 00:31:08,950
also like to invite up alex

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00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:12,550
scott and land done jarvis, as

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00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:14,590
well as our airport director

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00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:15,757
charlene reynolds, and then I

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00:31:15,757 --> 00:31:17,226
would also like to invite up our

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00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:19,626
members from our airport

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00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:30,702
advisory team to join us. Alex,

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00:31:54,729 --> 00:31:56,310
did you want to make a comment?

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00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:57,866
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: alex,

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00:31:57,866 --> 00:31:59,301
you want to share --

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00:31:59,301 --> 00:32:01,701
>>speaker: yeah. Like the

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00:32:03,138 --> 00:32:06,141
supervisor said, you know, us at

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00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:06,875
fbo, we try spread the word and

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00:32:06,875 --> 00:32:09,712
our partnership at the airport

787
00:32:09,712 --> 00:32:10,646
is passing out flyers, our team

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00:32:10,646 --> 00:32:11,814
trying to educate these pilots

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00:32:11,814 --> 00:32:12,948
to be better neighbors for the

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00:32:12,948 --> 00:32:15,348
community. So that's something

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00:32:15,384 --> 00:32:17,686
we're trying to do. You can see

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00:32:17,686 --> 00:32:19,221
baker aviation place to with us.

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00:32:19,221 --> 00:32:21,357
They're one of our most-used

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00:32:21,357 --> 00:32:23,580
tenants. They use our fbo.

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00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:24,660
We're doing our best to be good

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00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:25,294
neighbors to the community.

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00:32:25,294 --> 00:32:28,294
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

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00:32:30,532 --> 00:32:32,532
you so much.

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[Applause]

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S.

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>>chair, doug chaffee: that

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concludes our presentations this

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00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:34,129
morning. We'll be in our board

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00:33:34,129 --> 00:33:36,529
meeting in about 10 minutes.

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00:37:49,219 --> 00:37:51,219
Thank you.

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00:37:58,228 --> 00:38:01,828
In the the board of supervisors

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00:38:07,471 --> 00:38:09,871
meeting will resume shortly.

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The board of supervisors meeting

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will resume shortly.

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00:45:29,515 --> 00:45:31,515
Morning everyone.

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[Pause]

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>>chair, doug chaffee: good again,

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00:46:50,429 --> 00:46:51,997
everyone. And welcome to the

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00:46:51,997 --> 00:46:53,666
meeting of the orange county

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00:46:53,666 --> 00:46:55,802
board of supervisors for

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00:46:55,802 --> 00:46:57,437
APRIL 14th 2026. Hopefully

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00:46:57,437 --> 00:46:59,138
everyone has their taxes

818
00:46:59,138 --> 00:47:02,738
prepared and will file on time

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00:47:03,309 --> 00:47:05,178
the deadline being tomorrow.

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00:47:05,178 --> 00:47:08,178
Today the invocations will be

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00:47:09,449 --> 00:47:10,483
offered by vice-chair foley.

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00:47:10,483 --> 00:47:12,852
And pledge of allegiance will be

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00:47:12,852 --> 00:47:15,852
led by supervisor nguyen. If

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00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:21,928
you're able, please stand.

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00:47:21,928 --> 00:47:23,429
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: good

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00:47:23,429 --> 00:47:24,831
morning. Today we begin with

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00:47:24,831 --> 00:47:26,599
gratitude for the people whose

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00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:27,332
work makes public service

829
00:47:27,332 --> 00:47:29,569
possible each and every day.

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00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:32,771
Let us remember that the county

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00:47:32,771 --> 00:47:34,973
of orange is first and foremost

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00:47:34,973 --> 00:47:37,373
people serving people. Without

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00:47:37,877 --> 00:47:38,978
the dedication of county

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00:47:38,978 --> 00:47:41,213
employees, care providers and

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00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:42,549
frontline workers, we would not

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00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:44,949
fulfill our responsibility to

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00:47:45,151 --> 00:47:46,486
the public. During national

838
00:47:46,486 --> 00:47:48,488
"public health week" we

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00:47:48,488 --> 00:47:50,323
recognize those whose daily work

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00:47:50,323 --> 00:47:51,857
protects and strengthening the

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00:47:51,857 --> 00:47:54,160
health of our communities, often

842
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,630
with little notice and even less

843
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:57,997
recognition. We give thanks for

844
00:47:57,997 --> 00:48:00,233
those whose work is visible

845
00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:02,669
every day and for those whose

846
00:48:02,669 --> 00:48:04,904
efforts are quieter but no less

847
00:48:04,904 --> 00:48:08,441
essential. Let us keep in mind

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00:48:08,441 --> 00:48:09,709
that many people across public

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00:48:09,709 --> 00:48:11,810
safety, health, social services,

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00:48:11,810 --> 00:48:13,246
public works, parks, in-home

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00:48:13,246 --> 00:48:15,414
care and county offices who help

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00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:16,683
sustain the life of this county.

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00:48:16,683 --> 00:48:19,683
We acknowledge those who care

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00:48:19,953 --> 00:48:22,589
for residents most in need with

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00:48:22,589 --> 00:48:23,823
patience, skill, and compassion.

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00:48:23,823 --> 00:48:25,525
As we consider the decisions

857
00:48:25,525 --> 00:48:27,260
before us, let us do so with the

858
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:29,162
understanding that strong

859
00:48:29,162 --> 00:48:30,363
communities depend on those who

860
00:48:30,363 --> 00:48:33,963
answer the call to serve each

861
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:36,340
day. Thank you.

862
00:48:36,369 --> 00:48:37,971
>>janet nguyen: it's both an

863
00:48:37,971 --> 00:48:39,506
honor and a 45 to stand before

864
00:48:39,506 --> 00:48:41,574
you. As a proud american deeply

865
00:48:41,574 --> 00:48:43,243
grateful to the freedoms that we

866
00:48:43,243 --> 00:48:44,430
get to enjoy as citizens in this

867
00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:46,460
great country. But as we take

868
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:47,800
this time to say the pledge,

869
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,748
let's take a moment to think

870
00:48:48,748 --> 00:48:50,917
about the fact that just last

871
00:48:50,917 --> 00:48:52,686
week we had four american

872
00:48:52,686 --> 00:48:54,554
astronauts who -- who splashed

873
00:48:54,554 --> 00:48:56,289
down off of our california

874
00:48:56,289 --> 00:48:57,190
coast, returning home after a

875
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:59,590
historic journey around the

876
00:49:00,193 --> 00:49:02,328
moon. How awesome is that in

877
00:49:02,328 --> 00:49:03,864
our generation, we get to watch

878
00:49:03,864 --> 00:49:05,698
that. It's a very powerful

879
00:49:05,698 --> 00:49:08,301
reminder that america remains a

880
00:49:08,301 --> 00:49:10,701
beacon of freedom, opportunity,

881
00:49:10,804 --> 00:49:13,204
and limitless possibility. As

882
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:16,910
you join me in pledging to our

883
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:18,545
great nation, remember our

884
00:49:18,545 --> 00:49:20,647
former and current servicemen

885
00:49:20,647 --> 00:49:21,213
and women and their families,

886
00:49:21,213 --> 00:49:23,830
because we couldn't be here

887
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:25,152
today without them. Please join

888
00:49:25,152 --> 00:49:26,190
me.

889
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:28,254
I pledge allegiance to my flag

890
00:49:28,254 --> 00:49:30,690
to the united states of america

891
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:32,593
and to the republic for which it

892
00:49:32,593 --> 00:49:34,293
stands, one nation, under GOD,

893
00:49:34,293 --> 00:49:36,693
indivisible, with liberty and

894
00:49:43,904 --> 00:49:44,771
justice for all.

895
00:49:44,771 --> 00:49:46,840
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

896
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,574
vice-chair foley and supervisor

897
00:49:48,574 --> 00:49:51,574
nguyen. A couple of reminders

898
00:49:53,714 --> 00:49:56,714
for today's meeting please use

899
00:49:59,286 --> 00:50:00,687
the main entrance for entering

900
00:50:00,687 --> 00:50:02,222
and leaving. All of the doors

901
00:50:02,222 --> 00:50:05,222
are alarmed and for emergency

902
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:07,661
exit only. All phones should be

903
00:50:07,661 --> 00:50:09,163
muted and on vibrate at this

904
00:50:09,163 --> 00:50:12,331
time and for the duration of the

905
00:50:12,331 --> 00:50:13,567
meeting. A list of today's

906
00:50:13,567 --> 00:50:15,102
agenda with agenda requests to

907
00:50:15,102 --> 00:50:16,770
speak are located in the lobby

908
00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:18,371
outside the boardroom. The

909
00:50:18,371 --> 00:50:19,239
board will be breaking for lunch

910
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,874
around the noon hour during

911
00:50:20,874 --> 00:50:24,474
which time we'll also recess to

912
00:50:24,878 --> 00:50:26,878
closed sessions. Parking

913
00:50:29,615 --> 00:50:31,352
validation for the p4 park lot

914
00:50:31,352 --> 00:50:33,687
is available. Please see the

915
00:50:33,687 --> 00:50:37,287
deputy clerk next to the podium

916
00:50:37,424 --> 00:50:38,358
to receive a parking validation

917
00:50:38,358 --> 00:50:39,692
card. Now I'll proceed to the

918
00:50:39,692 --> 00:50:41,862
agenda for this morning's

919
00:50:41,862 --> 00:50:43,630
meeting. The agenda contains a

920
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:46,660
brief description of each item

921
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:47,668
to be considered. Except as

922
00:50:47,668 --> 00:50:50,304
otherwise provided by law, no

923
00:50:50,304 --> 00:50:52,720
action shall be taken at any

924
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,475
item not appearing in today's

925
00:50:54,475 --> 00:50:56,677
agenda. Agenda is divided into

926
00:50:56,677 --> 00:50:57,544
sections. All matters on the

927
00:50:57,544 --> 00:50:59,880
consent calendar are approved by

928
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,480
one motion unless a board member

929
00:51:03,684 --> 00:51:05,190
or member of the public has a

930
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:06,200
separate action on a specific

931
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,156
item. If you wish to address

932
00:51:09,156 --> 00:51:10,524
the board, please complete a

933
00:51:10,524 --> 00:51:13,327
speaker request form located in

934
00:51:13,327 --> 00:51:14,828
the lobby outside the boardroom.

935
00:51:14,828 --> 00:51:16,396
Completed forms must be

936
00:51:16,396 --> 00:51:18,165
deposited in the box next to the

937
00:51:18,165 --> 00:51:19,732
podium prior to the reading of

938
00:51:19,732 --> 00:51:22,732
the agenda item beginning with

939
00:51:24,337 --> 00:51:27,337
the consent calendar. To ensure

940
00:51:28,750 --> 00:51:31,675
smooth conduct of the meeting, a

941
00:51:32,413 --> 00:51:34,949
speaker request must be turned

942
00:51:34,949 --> 00:51:36,350
in -- in the box next to the

943
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:37,985
agenda there -- the podium.

944
00:51:37,985 --> 00:51:38,953
Speakers MAY address the board

945
00:51:38,953 --> 00:51:41,121
on up to three occasions with

946
00:51:41,121 --> 00:51:41,822
three minutes allotted to the

947
00:51:41,822 --> 00:51:43,456
speaker per occasion. When

948
00:51:43,456 --> 00:51:45,960
you're called to speak, please

949
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,862
step to the podium. We request

950
00:51:47,862 --> 00:51:50,130
that you state your name and

951
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:51,265
city of residence for the

952
00:51:51,265 --> 00:51:53,467
record. Please note the light

953
00:51:53,467 --> 00:51:55,469
on the podium. The green light

954
00:51:55,469 --> 00:51:58,439
means you have three minutes.

955
00:51:58,439 --> 00:52:00,308
The light changes to yellow when

956
00:52:00,308 --> 00:52:01,943
have you one minute. The light

957
00:52:01,943 --> 00:52:02,910
turns to red when your time has

958
00:52:02,910 --> 00:52:04,177
expired. We ask that you

959
00:52:04,177 --> 00:52:06,580
observe the time limits so that

960
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:08,815
all who wish to speak MAY have

961
00:52:08,815 --> 00:52:10,418
an opportunity do so. When

962
00:52:10,418 --> 00:52:12,353
address the board, please

963
00:52:12,353 --> 00:52:13,955
address the board as a whole

964
00:52:13,955 --> 00:52:15,489
through the chair. I would ask

965
00:52:15,489 --> 00:52:18,250
the clerk to identify any

966
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:19,426
changes to the agenda and any

967
00:52:19,426 --> 00:52:21,762
requests received from the

968
00:52:21,762 --> 00:52:23,296
public to pull an item from the

969
00:52:23,296 --> 00:52:25,696
consent calendar for separate

970
00:52:26,333 --> 00:52:27,235
consideration. MADAM Clerk.

971
00:52:27,235 --> 00:52:29,635
>>clerk, robin stieler: thank

972
00:52:30,471 --> 00:52:33,407
you MR. CHAIRMAN. Item 4 will

973
00:52:33,407 --> 00:52:36,110
be continued to MAY 19th,

974
00:52:36,110 --> 00:52:36,776
2026, 9:30 A.M., and on the

975
00:52:36,776 --> 00:52:39,176
discussion calendar items 25 and

976
00:52:39,247 --> 00:52:41,647
34 have been continued to

977
00:52:43,184 --> 00:52:45,584
APRIL 28th, 2026, 9:30 A.M.

978
00:52:47,854 --> 00:52:51,793
And s43a has been continued to

979
00:52:51,793 --> 00:52:53,194
MAY 5th, 2026, 9:30 A.M. And

980
00:52:53,194 --> 00:52:55,630
the public has requested a pool

981
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:57,665
item 10 -- requested to pull

982
00:52:57,665 --> 00:52:57,931
item 10 from the consent

983
00:52:57,931 --> 00:52:58,533
calendar.

984
00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:00,670
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

985
00:53:00,670 --> 00:53:01,735
you, MADAM Clerk. Colleagues,

986
00:53:01,735 --> 00:53:03,404
there any items on the consent

987
00:53:03,404 --> 00:53:03,705
calendar you'd like to consider

988
00:53:03,705 --> 00:53:04,806
separately.

989
00:53:04,806 --> 00:53:07,806
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd

990
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:11,420
like to pull items 9 and 11,

991
00:53:14,749 --> 00:53:15,750
please. Otherwise move the

992
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:17,585
consent calendar --

993
00:53:17,585 --> 00:53:19,120
>>vincente sarmiento: MR. Chair,

994
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,890
I'd like to just make a comment

995
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:23,224
on item 1 and 2, and I am going

996
00:53:23,224 --> 00:53:25,260
to be abstaining on item 11, not

997
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:25,692
because I don't support. I

998
00:53:25,692 --> 00:53:27,940
think they're great

999
00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:29,494
organizations. But, again, the

1000
00:53:30,798 --> 00:53:32,933
confusion with ab 2946, I'll go

1001
00:53:32,933 --> 00:53:36,533
ahead and put my recusal --

1002
00:53:36,905 --> 00:53:39,905
abstention on that, but comment

1003
00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:40,842
on 1 and 2, supportive of those.

1004
00:53:40,842 --> 00:53:42,876
>>chair, doug chaffee: did you

1005
00:53:42,876 --> 00:53:43,510
want to make comments on 1 and

1006
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:43,978
2.

1007
00:53:43,978 --> 00:53:45,380
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, very

1008
00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:47,615
briefly. Wait a minuted to give

1009
00:53:47,615 --> 00:53:49,416
a shout-out to two these

1010
00:53:49,416 --> 00:53:50,552
appointments, roy herndon who

1011
00:53:50,552 --> 00:53:51,553
was with the orange county water

1012
00:53:51,553 --> 00:53:52,921
district while I was there.

1013
00:53:52,921 --> 00:53:55,523
Great selection there. He was

1014
00:53:55,523 --> 00:53:58,326
really helpful on making sure

1015
00:53:58,326 --> 00:53:59,961
that we address the pfas

1016
00:53:59,961 --> 00:54:02,397
contamination in our wells and

1017
00:54:02,397 --> 00:54:05,397
doing well head treatment there,

1018
00:54:08,335 --> 00:54:09,937
and also nabil sacka. Both

1019
00:54:09,937 --> 00:54:12,337
great appointments. And item 2,

1020
00:54:13,508 --> 00:54:15,310
I want to congratulate maria

1021
00:54:15,310 --> 00:54:17,345
linares from tustin. Her

1022
00:54:17,345 --> 00:54:19,480
daughter was an intern of ours,

1023
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,150
and maria is very accomplished

1024
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:22,817
on her own. She was with the

1025
00:54:22,817 --> 00:54:25,200
orange county business council

1026
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,154
and a former cal state trustee.

1027
00:54:26,154 --> 00:54:28,456
So excellent appoints. I just

1028
00:54:28,456 --> 00:54:29,390
wanted to give them a shout-out.

1029
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:29,958
Thank you, MR. Chair.

1030
00:54:29,958 --> 00:54:31,492
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1031
00:54:31,492 --> 00:54:34,429
you. We have a motion and a

1032
00:54:34,429 --> 00:54:36,631
second on the items not pulled.

1033
00:54:36,631 --> 00:54:38,332
Any objection? Those items are

1034
00:54:38,332 --> 00:54:41,102
approved. Now we go to item 9.

1035
00:54:41,102 --> 00:54:44,372
MADAM Clerk, was there -- was

1036
00:54:44,372 --> 00:54:45,400
that just -- vice-chair, great.

1037
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,742
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

1038
00:54:46,742 --> 00:54:48,309
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. Item 9 is

1039
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:50,709
north strand beach access

1040
00:54:51,112 --> 00:54:53,512
improvements. And the quitclaim

1041
00:54:53,548 --> 00:54:55,283
deed with the headlands reserve

1042
00:54:55,283 --> 00:54:56,817
llc. This is a project that our

1043
00:54:56,817 --> 00:55:00,417
office has been working on with

1044
00:55:02,324 --> 00:55:03,910
the county team and the north

1045
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:05,910
strand homeowners' association.

1046
00:55:05,994 --> 00:55:06,828
In 2006, the headlands reserve

1047
00:55:06,828 --> 00:55:08,828
constructed improvements along

1048
00:55:10,365 --> 00:55:12,868
the north strand beach access.

1049
00:55:12,868 --> 00:55:13,635
following construction, the

1050
00:55:13,635 --> 00:55:14,335
headlands reserve intended to

1051
00:55:14,335 --> 00:55:15,804
transfer the ownership of

1052
00:55:15,804 --> 00:55:18,204
maintenance and improvements to

1053
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:21,243
the county. The transfer never

1054
00:55:21,243 --> 00:55:23,345
happened, and so nobody was

1055
00:55:23,345 --> 00:55:25,914
maintaining the fence and the

1056
00:55:25,914 --> 00:55:28,250
area of this construction. So

1057
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:30,986
the fence between niguel shores

1058
00:55:30,986 --> 00:55:31,887
community and the north strands

1059
00:55:31,887 --> 00:55:34,422
beach access went without repair

1060
00:55:34,422 --> 00:55:35,856
for nearly two decades. This

1061
00:55:35,856 --> 00:55:37,426
agreement allows the county to

1062
00:55:37,426 --> 00:55:39,561
assume responsibility of the

1063
00:55:39,561 --> 00:55:40,996
walkway, stairs, fencing,

1064
00:55:40,996 --> 00:55:41,964
landscaping, restrooms and the

1065
00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:44,364
vital infrastructure both at

1066
00:55:44,933 --> 00:55:45,867
strands beach and at dana point

1067
00:55:45,867 --> 00:55:48,700
harbor, ensuring our beaches

1068
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:48,870
remain safe and accessible for

1069
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:50,405
residents and visitors. So I

1070
00:55:50,405 --> 00:55:54,500
want to thank our county team

1071
00:55:54,142 --> 00:55:54,943
for assisting in getting this

1072
00:55:54,943 --> 00:55:57,943
quitclaim deed and this more

1073
00:56:01,816 --> 00:56:03,318
than a couple-decades procedural

1074
00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:03,652
item handled. With that, I'll

1075
00:56:03,652 --> 00:56:04,286
move the item.

1076
00:56:04,286 --> 00:56:05,754
>>chair, doug chaffee: second.

1077
00:56:05,754 --> 00:56:07,289
Any objection? Item 9 is

1078
00:56:07,289 --> 00:56:08,890
approved. Item 10, I believe

1079
00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:11,890
the public pulled that one.

1080
00:56:16,697 --> 00:56:17,265
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes.

1081
00:56:17,265 --> 00:56:17,866
>>clerk, robin stieler: 10.

1082
00:56:17,866 --> 00:56:18,567
Under Registrar of Voters-

1083
00:56:18,567 --> 00:56:19,201
Approve various renewals of

1084
00:56:19,201 --> 00:56:19,835
leases and licenses of real

1085
00:56:19,835 --> 00:56:20,535
property for ballot drop box

1086
00:56:20,535 --> 00:56:21,202
locations, five-year terms; and

1087
00:56:21,202 --> 00:56:24,720
authorize Registrar of Voters or

1088
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:25,474
designee to execute renewals.

1089
00:56:25,474 --> 00:56:26,575
And we have two requests to

1090
00:56:26,575 --> 00:56:27,342
speak on item 10.

1091
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:28,944
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

1092
00:56:28,944 --> 00:56:29,545
call the names.

1093
00:56:29,545 --> 00:56:31,547
>>clerk, robin stieler: cheryl

1094
00:56:31,547 --> 00:56:33,547
and kate.

1095
00:56:34,183 --> 00:56:36,583
>>speaker: good morning. The

1096
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,554
concern with the drop boxes is,

1097
00:56:38,554 --> 00:56:41,560
along with the new executive

1098
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:42,691
order requiring track to be on

1099
00:56:42,691 --> 00:56:44,593
all mail-out ballot so they're

1100
00:56:44,593 --> 00:56:47,629
tracked not only going out, but

1101
00:56:47,629 --> 00:56:49,164
also coming back, drop boxes do

1102
00:56:49,164 --> 00:56:50,966
not allow for this to happen.

1103
00:56:50,966 --> 00:56:53,435
They are not encountered when

1104
00:56:53,435 --> 00:56:55,304
they're picked up, so there's no

1105
00:56:55,304 --> 00:56:56,438
understanding of how many are

1106
00:56:56,438 --> 00:56:59,875
picked up until they get back to

1107
00:56:59,875 --> 00:57:03,475
the robb. And at that point

1108
00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:07,516
anything can have occurred. So

1109
00:57:07,516 --> 00:57:09,485
there's no real chain of custody

1110
00:57:09,485 --> 00:57:11,587
on this. When it comes to the

1111
00:57:11,587 --> 00:57:13,880
cameras, these cameras are not

1112
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,856
monitored or controlled by the

1113
00:57:14,856 --> 00:57:16,325
election officials. They're

1114
00:57:16,325 --> 00:57:18,594
controlled by the places, if by

1115
00:57:18,594 --> 00:57:20,795
chance they have cameras. And

1116
00:57:20,795 --> 00:57:22,931
they're only asked to have

1117
00:57:22,931 --> 00:57:23,999
something if somebody complain

1118
00:57:23,999 --> 00:57:26,268
beside something that happened

1119
00:57:26,268 --> 00:57:27,735
at this do box. So not are only

1120
00:57:27,735 --> 00:57:30,606
they a blight on the community,

1121
00:57:30,606 --> 00:57:32,641
it also is not in compliance

1122
00:57:32,641 --> 00:57:34,844
with what we need to do to make

1123
00:57:34,844 --> 00:57:37,460
sure that we can actually track

1124
00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:40,150
what's going on there. So the

1125
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:42,951
other issue with this is it's

1126
00:57:42,951 --> 00:57:44,486
actually part of the

1127
00:57:44,486 --> 00:57:46,486
disinfranchise of in-person

1128
00:57:48,224 --> 00:57:50,126
voters. We have over 250 blue

1129
00:57:50,126 --> 00:57:53,162
usps boxes. We do not need

1130
00:57:53,162 --> 00:57:54,696
another 124 random locations for

1131
00:57:54,696 --> 00:57:56,365
these drop boxes to occur that

1132
00:57:56,365 --> 00:57:59,965
have no chain of custody. And

1133
00:58:01,570 --> 00:58:05,170
we have an amazing amount of

1134
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:07,410
disenfranchise of ours of when

1135
00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:10,410
an in-person can vote versus

1136
00:58:10,579 --> 00:58:11,113
somebody mailing in. So these

1137
00:58:11,113 --> 00:58:12,248
are other issues that are

1138
00:58:12,248 --> 00:58:13,649
creating a major concern. And

1139
00:58:13,649 --> 00:58:15,417
major thing here that we look at

1140
00:58:15,417 --> 00:58:18,253
is that you cannot possibly

1141
00:58:18,253 --> 00:58:18,754
certify what you can't verify.

1142
00:58:18,754 --> 00:58:20,550
And drop boxes are very

1143
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:22,455
difficult to actually control

1144
00:58:23,492 --> 00:58:25,962
and verify. So I thank you for

1145
00:58:25,962 --> 00:58:28,864
considering to take this off the

1146
00:58:28,864 --> 00:58:30,499
list and vote no.

1147
00:58:30,499 --> 00:58:31,634
>>chair, doug chaffee: MAY we

1148
00:58:31,634 --> 00:58:34,634
have the next speaker, please.

1149
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,374
>>clerk, robin stieler: kate.

1150
00:58:38,374 --> 00:58:40,774
>>speaker: good morning, board.

1151
00:58:42,712 --> 00:58:43,778
And happy easter. So I want to

1152
00:58:43,778 --> 00:58:47,978
ask why is this even on our

1153
00:58:48,885 --> 00:58:50,619
agenda today? First of all, as

1154
00:58:50,619 --> 00:58:53,190
the other speaker said,

1155
00:58:53,422 --> 00:58:55,257
everything has to be gone -- all

1156
00:58:55,257 --> 00:58:57,493
the ballots have to go through

1157
00:58:57,493 --> 00:58:58,994
the post office and get a

1158
00:58:58,994 --> 00:59:01,394
postmark by the 5th.

1159
00:59:02,331 --> 00:59:05,931
Obviously we can't do that with

1160
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,602
drop boxes. Why has this not

1161
00:59:11,507 --> 00:59:15,278
just been canceled so none of us

1162
00:59:15,278 --> 00:59:17,313
here can waste our time and our

1163
00:59:17,313 --> 00:59:19,820
money. Instead, we are here.

1164
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:22,885
So you say the drop boxes are

1165
00:59:22,885 --> 00:59:25,688
free. Nothing is free in this

1166
00:59:25,688 --> 00:59:28,240
world. Who gave the money for

1167
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,624
the drop boxes and who does

1168
00:59:31,794 --> 00:59:34,794
somebody have to pay back?

1169
00:59:34,797 --> 00:59:37,797
Also, as the speaker before

1170
00:59:37,967 --> 00:59:41,567
said, where does the feed go?

1171
00:59:42,872 --> 00:59:46,472
So if there is someone watching,

1172
00:59:47,143 --> 00:59:51,470
where does it go? Does it go to

1173
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:53,416
joe-below? Who knows. So why

1174
00:59:53,416 --> 00:59:57,616
are you wasting our time and our

1175
00:59:59,589 --> 01:00:00,390
money today on this item?

1176
01:00:00,390 --> 01:00:02,570
Instead what you should be

1177
01:00:02,570 --> 01:00:04,460
wasting our time and money on is

1178
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:06,396
why don't you have the voters

1179
01:00:06,396 --> 01:00:09,599
choice act here so we can all

1180
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,635
come and tell you how much we do

1181
01:00:12,635 --> 01:00:14,837
not want the voters choice act.

1182
01:00:14,837 --> 01:00:15,672
We don't want to be

1183
01:00:15,672 --> 01:00:17,672
disenfranchised anymore. We

1184
01:00:18,774 --> 01:00:22,111
want to come and vote on one day

1185
01:00:22,111 --> 01:00:25,480
with paper ballots. And we want

1186
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,283
to show our id so that everybody

1187
01:00:27,283 --> 01:00:31,483
knows we are citizens and we are

1188
01:00:34,657 --> 01:00:38,257
doing our rightful duty to vote.

1189
01:00:39,429 --> 01:00:41,564
Why are you wasting my time?

1190
01:00:41,564 --> 01:00:44,564
And taxpayers' money on this

1191
01:00:44,601 --> 01:00:47,601
today? Just floors me. Thank

1192
01:00:47,904 --> 01:00:49,406
you.

1193
01:00:49,406 --> 01:00:49,806
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1194
01:00:49,806 --> 01:00:50,473
supervisor foley.

1195
01:00:50,473 --> 01:00:51,875
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

1196
01:00:51,875 --> 01:00:54,811
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. Is MR. Page

1197
01:00:54,811 --> 01:00:57,811
available? Is MR. Page here?

1198
01:00:59,349 --> 01:01:01,500
He left? No, he's here. Not

1199
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:04,500
you, leon page. Bob page,

1200
01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:07,620
registrar of voters. He left?

1201
01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:12,294
Okay. Well, this is a licensing

1202
01:01:12,294 --> 01:01:14,694
agreement for various locations

1203
01:01:14,731 --> 01:01:17,700
so that the county can place a

1204
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,370
drop box at their property. We

1205
01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:23,940
can't just go in and put

1206
01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:26,243
facilities on private property.

1207
01:01:26,243 --> 01:01:29,378
So this we're voting on is the

1208
01:01:29,378 --> 01:01:31,778
licensing agreements with these

1209
01:01:32,214 --> 01:01:34,718
various facilities. It is my

1210
01:01:34,718 --> 01:01:36,218
understanding that these are

1211
01:01:36,218 --> 01:01:39,289
not -- we're not paying for

1212
01:01:39,289 --> 01:01:40,230
these. Is that right, MR. Leon

1213
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:41,424
page?

1214
01:01:41,424 --> 01:01:43,260
>>leon page: thank you. Yeah,

1215
01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:44,600
that's my understanding as well.

1216
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:45,261
At no cost to the county.

1217
01:01:45,261 --> 01:01:47,897
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

1218
01:01:47,897 --> 01:01:50,133
And then what I wanted to ask

1219
01:01:50,133 --> 01:01:52,469
MR. Page, who is not here, was

1220
01:01:52,469 --> 01:01:55,271
what's the last day that ballots

1221
01:01:55,271 --> 01:01:56,807
are collected from a drop box?

1222
01:01:56,807 --> 01:01:59,209
It is my understanding that it

1223
01:01:59,209 --> 01:02:01,345
is election day. Ballots are

1224
01:02:01,345 --> 01:02:03,179
not collected from a drop box

1225
01:02:03,179 --> 01:02:03,413
after election day. Is that

1226
01:02:03,413 --> 01:02:05,249
correct?

1227
01:02:05,249 --> 01:02:06,316
>>leon page: that's my

1228
01:02:06,316 --> 01:02:08,418
understanding as well, that

1229
01:02:08,418 --> 01:02:10,721
right when the polls close, the

1230
01:02:10,721 --> 01:02:11,555
registrar of voters -- it's

1231
01:02:11,555 --> 01:02:12,655
really tremendous effort

1232
01:02:12,655 --> 01:02:14,791
orchestrated by the registrar,

1233
01:02:14,791 --> 01:02:16,930
that he has personnel standing

1234
01:02:16,930 --> 01:02:18,528
by at each and every location to

1235
01:02:18,528 --> 01:02:19,463
lock the box right when the

1236
01:02:19,463 --> 01:02:20,630
polls close.

1237
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:20,764
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

1238
01:02:20,764 --> 01:02:23,800
that's right. And I know that

1239
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,370
the drop box that's located near

1240
01:02:27,370 --> 01:02:28,938
my neighborhood at tewinkle park

1241
01:02:28,938 --> 01:02:30,730
is one that our neighbors use

1242
01:02:30,730 --> 01:02:33,673
and is very convenient for all

1243
01:02:33,877 --> 01:02:37,800
of us. And I track my ballot.

1244
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,249
You can go to ocvote.Com, and

1245
01:02:39,249 --> 01:02:41,185
you can sign up to track your

1246
01:02:41,185 --> 01:02:43,530
ballot. I get a notification

1247
01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:45,455
when my ballot has been received

1248
01:02:45,455 --> 01:02:46,590
at the registrar of voters

1249
01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:49,159
through a text message. And

1250
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,196
then I get a notification when

1251
01:02:52,196 --> 01:02:53,564
my ballot has been counted at

1252
01:02:53,564 --> 01:02:54,598
the registrar of voters. So

1253
01:02:54,598 --> 01:02:56,133
there is a lot of good tracking

1254
01:02:56,133 --> 01:02:58,569
system there is. With that,

1255
01:02:58,569 --> 01:02:59,350
I'll move the item.

1256
01:02:59,350 --> 01:02:59,436
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1257
01:02:59,436 --> 01:03:01,436
supervisor wagner.

1258
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:03,607
>>don wagner: thank you. I saw

1259
01:03:03,607 --> 01:03:06,543
MR. Page come in with somebody.

1260
01:03:06,543 --> 01:03:09,460
Is there somebody from his

1261
01:03:09,460 --> 01:03:12,150
office here? Were they just

1262
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:15,150
here for the presentations? Why

1263
01:03:15,286 --> 01:03:18,188
would you leave before the item?

1264
01:03:18,188 --> 01:03:18,922
I ask rhetorically because

1265
01:03:18,922 --> 01:03:20,791
there's nobody here to answer

1266
01:03:20,791 --> 01:03:22,826
it. Can we continue this until

1267
01:03:22,826 --> 01:03:24,862
next meeting and get an answer

1268
01:03:24,862 --> 01:03:25,963
from MR. Page on these

1269
01:03:25,963 --> 01:03:27,464
questions? I do the other

1270
01:03:27,464 --> 01:03:28,799
MR. Page, our counsel, is

1271
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:32,335
correct. But is there an urge

1272
01:03:32,335 --> 01:03:34,271
teens do this today? The

1273
01:03:34,271 --> 01:03:37,208
election is JUNE 2nd. I'm

1274
01:03:37,208 --> 01:03:40,808
aware of when the election is.

1275
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:45,245
Can we get MR. Page here later

1276
01:03:46,616 --> 01:03:49,530
in APRIL to talk about this?

1277
01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:52,530
Okay. Can you continue this

1278
01:03:52,590 --> 01:03:53,991
till later today?

1279
01:03:53,991 --> 01:03:56,991
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, we

1280
01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:01,662
have a motion pending. I think

1281
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:04,668
we need to --

1282
01:04:04,668 --> 01:04:06,300
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: we

1283
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:06,203
already is a motion on the

1284
01:04:06,203 --> 01:04:07,471
floor.

1285
01:04:07,471 --> 01:04:08,906
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have a

1286
01:04:08,906 --> 01:04:10,908
motion to approve the item.

1287
01:04:10,908 --> 01:04:12,843
It's been moved and seconded.

1288
01:04:12,843 --> 01:04:15,146
Do we need to do a roll call?

1289
01:04:15,146 --> 01:04:18,746
MADAM Clerk, just to be clear.

1290
01:04:19,583 --> 01:04:21,885
And if that motion is not either

1291
01:04:21,885 --> 01:04:22,619
approved or not, then we'll go

1292
01:04:22,619 --> 01:04:25,190
to the continue --

1293
01:04:27,725 --> 01:04:29,527
>>don wagner: well, point of

1294
01:04:29,527 --> 01:04:31,620
order. Motion to table. Motion

1295
01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:32,663
to table until later today.

1296
01:04:32,663 --> 01:04:35,633
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, let

1297
01:04:35,633 --> 01:04:38,200
me -- I would ask the maker and

1298
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:38,902
seconder of the motion to --

1299
01:04:38,902 --> 01:04:41,172
>>janet nguyen: who was the

1300
01:04:41,172 --> 01:04:42,473
maker, who was the second?

1301
01:04:42,473 --> 01:04:44,108
>>chair, doug chaffee: wait

1302
01:04:44,108 --> 01:04:45,509
until the registrar has a chance

1303
01:04:45,509 --> 01:04:46,744
to get here. Is there any issue

1304
01:04:46,744 --> 01:04:47,311
with postponing --

1305
01:04:47,311 --> 01:04:48,450
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

1306
01:04:48,450 --> 01:04:48,378
whatever you want to do,

1307
01:04:48,378 --> 01:04:49,547
MR. CHAIRMAN.

1308
01:04:49,547 --> 01:04:50,548
>>chair, doug chaffee: I think

1309
01:04:50,548 --> 01:04:53,184
it's fair that he needs to be

1310
01:04:53,184 --> 01:04:54,618
here. This is his item, and so

1311
01:04:54,618 --> 01:04:57,922
we should hear from him. And

1312
01:04:57,922 --> 01:04:59,624
any questions that my colleagues

1313
01:04:59,624 --> 01:05:01,658
MAY have will have a chance to

1314
01:05:01,658 --> 01:05:03,160
be answered. So just hold this

1315
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,195
off. A vote on this will be

1316
01:05:04,195 --> 01:05:06,564
done later when he arrives.

1317
01:05:06,564 --> 01:05:07,865
We'll find out when he arrives.

1318
01:05:07,865 --> 01:05:08,666
Hopefully we'll have some

1319
01:05:08,666 --> 01:05:10,868
indication that he's here.

1320
01:05:10,868 --> 01:05:13,104
We'll finish whatever item we're

1321
01:05:13,104 --> 01:05:13,404
on and then go right to this

1322
01:05:13,404 --> 01:05:14,710
item again.

1323
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:14,238
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

1324
01:05:14,238 --> 01:05:14,772
you.

1325
01:05:14,772 --> 01:05:16,340
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

1326
01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:17,875
right. Thank you. Supervisor

1327
01:05:17,875 --> 01:05:20,812
nguyen, did you have any further

1328
01:05:20,812 --> 01:05:23,212
comments? Okay. All right.

1329
01:05:24,810 --> 01:05:25,783
Then we have vice-chair, you

1330
01:05:25,783 --> 01:05:26,416
also asked to hear item 11.

1331
01:05:26,416 --> 01:05:27,919
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

1332
01:05:27,919 --> 01:05:32,119
just need to make my record in

1333
01:05:32,323 --> 01:05:33,358
terms of my abstention. In

1334
01:05:33,358 --> 01:05:35,358
accordance with california

1335
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,760
government code 26227.5 which

1336
01:05:37,895 --> 01:05:38,830
states within 90 days of

1337
01:05:38,830 --> 01:05:40,731
preceding an election a member

1338
01:05:40,731 --> 01:05:43,100
of a board who is on a ballot as

1339
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:43,768
a supervisor, district candidate

1340
01:05:43,768 --> 01:05:47,638
of the board and has an opponent

1341
01:05:47,638 --> 01:05:49,440
on that ballot shall not take

1342
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:50,741
any action related to spending

1343
01:05:50,741 --> 01:05:51,743
district discretionary funds.

1344
01:05:51,743 --> 01:05:53,277
With that, I abstain.

1345
01:05:53,277 --> 01:05:54,879
>>don wagner: with that, I'll

1346
01:05:54,879 --> 01:05:56,879
move the item.

1347
01:05:57,148 --> 01:05:59,148
>>janet nguyen: second.

1348
01:05:59,884 --> 01:06:02,884
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have 3

1349
01:06:02,987 --> 01:06:05,987
votes in favor and two

1350
01:06:13,731 --> 01:06:15,433
abstentions. The item passes. That concludes the

1351
01:06:15,433 --> 01:06:18,433
consent calendar. And our next

1352
01:06:19,371 --> 01:06:21,371
item...

1353
01:06:21,406 --> 01:06:24,406
-- our next stem item 12.

1354
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,389
There we go. We have no

1355
01:06:38,389 --> 01:06:38,556
requests to speak on agenda item

1356
01:06:38,556 --> 01:06:39,230
12.

1357
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:39,424
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1358
01:06:39,424 --> 01:06:40,792
supervisor nguyen.

1359
01:06:40,792 --> 01:06:42,961
>>janet nguyen: I'm just

1360
01:06:42,961 --> 01:06:43,795
curious. This item asks for a

1361
01:06:43,795 --> 01:06:46,795
waiver for the insurance. How

1362
01:06:50,735 --> 01:06:52,237
does that impact us as a county?

1363
01:06:52,237 --> 01:06:55,837
Has county counsel looked at it?

1364
01:06:57,750 --> 01:07:00,750
Because it's different than the

1365
01:07:07,170 --> 01:07:09,170
last -- nobody?

1366
01:07:09,821 --> 01:07:11,957
>>janet nguyen: okay. Nobody

1367
01:07:11,957 --> 01:07:12,591
wants to show up to our board

1368
01:07:12,591 --> 01:07:15,591
meeting anymore. No, I'm fine

1369
01:07:15,794 --> 01:07:17,596
with the item. I just -- it's

1370
01:07:17,596 --> 01:07:18,463
more curiosity of whether -- how

1371
01:07:18,463 --> 01:07:20,865
this impacts the county and if

1372
01:07:20,865 --> 01:07:23,265
there's any procurement issues

1373
01:07:23,768 --> 01:07:25,303
for us, waiving the insurance.

1374
01:07:25,303 --> 01:07:30,103
But if it doesn't seem to be a

1375
01:07:30,542 --> 01:07:31,877
concern, I'll move the item.

1376
01:07:31,877 --> 01:07:32,110
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

1377
01:07:32,110 --> 01:07:33,440
second.

1378
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,347
>>chair, doug chaffee: I did

1379
01:07:35,347 --> 01:07:35,947
have a question myself.

1380
01:07:35,947 --> 01:07:36,848
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: do

1381
01:07:36,848 --> 01:07:39,848
you know what paragraph the

1382
01:07:47,292 --> 01:07:49,494
waiver is on? What page number?

1383
01:07:49,494 --> 01:07:50,562
>>michelle aguirre: within the

1384
01:07:50,562 --> 01:07:52,731
asr, it just speaks to the

1385
01:07:52,731 --> 01:07:53,331
request for mutual

1386
01:07:53,331 --> 01:07:54,232
indemnification. Risk

1387
01:07:54,232 --> 01:07:55,166
management has reviewed and

1388
01:07:55,166 --> 01:07:57,269
they're okay with it. But

1389
01:07:57,269 --> 01:07:59,370
because of that, it does require

1390
01:07:59,370 --> 01:07:59,604
a board approval.

1391
01:07:59,604 --> 01:08:00,272
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

1392
01:08:00,272 --> 01:08:01,439
because I see it says in

1393
01:08:01,439 --> 01:08:03,839
paragraph 12 consent to breach,

1394
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:06,678
not waiver. And that says -- I

1395
01:08:06,678 --> 01:08:07,378
don't think that's the same

1396
01:08:07,378 --> 01:08:08,780
thing.

1397
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:10,780
>>michelle aguirre: it's

1398
01:08:12,500 --> 01:08:14,520
attachment c, is where the

1399
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,520
insurance related the

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01:08:18,223 --> 01:08:19,725
modification information is in.

1401
01:08:19,725 --> 01:08:20,959
>>chair, doug chaffee: do we

1402
01:08:20,959 --> 01:08:23,959
have a representative from the

1403
01:08:24,396 --> 01:08:25,897
D.A.'s office here?

1404
01:08:25,897 --> 01:08:27,298
>>janet nguyen: I'm okay with

1405
01:08:27,298 --> 01:08:28,199
it, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'll move it.

1406
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:29,201
It's just a question.

1407
01:08:29,201 --> 01:08:32,201
>>chair, doug chaffee: I did

1408
01:08:34,272 --> 01:08:36,672
have a question myself.

1409
01:08:37,109 --> 01:08:38,143
>>speaker: good morning, sir.

1410
01:08:38,143 --> 01:08:39,478
Misty daniels, assistant chief

1411
01:08:39,478 --> 01:08:39,711
from the orange county D.A.'s

1412
01:08:39,711 --> 01:08:40,345
office.

1413
01:08:40,345 --> 01:08:42,781
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is

1414
01:08:42,781 --> 01:08:44,781
apparently for investigator

1415
01:08:45,517 --> 01:08:45,851
firearms training, if I read the

1416
01:08:45,851 --> 01:08:47,186
sr right?

1417
01:08:47,186 --> 01:08:48,153
>>speaker: that is correct.

1418
01:08:48,153 --> 01:08:48,920
>>chair, doug chaffee: how often

1419
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,322
do investigators actually use

1420
01:08:50,322 --> 01:08:51,890
their weapons?

1421
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:52,724
>>speaker: well, we're required

1422
01:08:52,724 --> 01:08:54,927
by post for training for

1423
01:08:54,927 --> 01:08:57,610
certification, so the rifle

1424
01:08:57,610 --> 01:08:59,461
course requires a 16-hour

1425
01:08:59,665 --> 01:09:00,966
certification. And then

1426
01:09:00,966 --> 01:09:02,966
thereafter, our agency

1427
01:09:03,435 --> 01:09:04,690
requirement is annual

1428
01:09:04,690 --> 01:09:06,305
qualification. And then also

1429
01:09:06,305 --> 01:09:09,305
our handgun. We train quarterly

1430
01:09:09,508 --> 01:09:09,842
on that with annual scoring

1431
01:09:09,842 --> 01:09:10,442
qualification.

1432
01:09:10,442 --> 01:09:11,210
>>chair, doug chaffee: that's

1433
01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:13,879
your training. But do we have

1434
01:09:13,879 --> 01:09:15,447
actual incidents where the

1435
01:09:15,447 --> 01:09:15,681
investigator needs the use of a

1436
01:09:15,681 --> 01:09:17,116
firearm?

1437
01:09:17,116 --> 01:09:19,284
>>speaker: we have not had to

1438
01:09:19,284 --> 01:09:20,919
use our firearm, but we do have

1439
01:09:20,919 --> 01:09:22,621
armed peace officers in the

1440
01:09:22,621 --> 01:09:25,656
D.A.'s office that are

1441
01:09:25,656 --> 01:09:27,159
authorized to carry a weapon in

1442
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:27,926
the course of their duties, yes.

1443
01:09:27,926 --> 01:09:29,962
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

1444
01:09:29,962 --> 01:09:32,231
I'm just wondering why if

1445
01:09:32,231 --> 01:09:32,865
they're not being used the

1446
01:09:32,865 --> 01:09:33,832
investigators actually need to

1447
01:09:33,832 --> 01:09:35,467
be armed or not.

1448
01:09:35,467 --> 01:09:37,867
>>speaker: so the investigators

1449
01:09:38,770 --> 01:09:40,406
are defined by 830.1 of the

1450
01:09:40,406 --> 01:09:41,840
penal code. They are sworn

1451
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,309
peace officers just like every

1452
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:44,276
other law enforcement agency in

1453
01:09:44,276 --> 01:09:46,276
the county, sir.

1454
01:09:47,112 --> 01:09:49,114
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So

1455
01:09:49,114 --> 01:09:51,549
even though they don't -- it's

1456
01:09:51,549 --> 01:09:51,816
been rare if they ever use those

1457
01:09:51,816 --> 01:09:52,685
firearms.

1458
01:09:52,685 --> 01:09:54,153
>>speaker: correct. And we also

1459
01:09:54,153 --> 01:09:55,521
have task forces that are

1460
01:09:55,521 --> 01:09:57,156
assigned to conduct field work.

1461
01:09:57,156 --> 01:09:58,524
We do have investigators that

1462
01:09:58,524 --> 01:09:59,225
conduct field work and are

1463
01:09:59,225 --> 01:10:00,125
prepared yes.

1464
01:10:00,125 --> 01:10:01,260
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

1465
01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:01,627
Train something essential.

1466
01:10:01,627 --> 01:10:03,261
Thank you.

1467
01:10:03,261 --> 01:10:04,563
>>speaker: you're welcome, sir.

1468
01:10:04,563 --> 01:10:05,496
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's been

1469
01:10:05,496 --> 01:10:05,764
moved and second. Any

1470
01:10:05,764 --> 01:10:06,498
objection.

1471
01:10:06,498 --> 01:10:07,833
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

1472
01:10:07,833 --> 01:10:09,235
have no objection but I gave

1473
01:10:09,235 --> 01:10:10,202
MR. Page the language that

1474
01:10:10,202 --> 01:10:12,602
supervisor nguyen was concerned

1475
01:10:16,108 --> 01:10:16,324
about so he could at least share

1476
01:10:16,324 --> 01:10:18,324
out.

1477
01:10:18,343 --> 01:10:21,880
>>leon page: and just so that

1478
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,249
they can answer your -- so I can

1479
01:10:23,249 --> 01:10:26,152
answer your question, would you

1480
01:10:26,152 --> 01:10:26,326
mind rephrasing it or restating

1481
01:10:26,326 --> 01:10:27,553
it.

1482
01:10:27,553 --> 01:10:29,388
>>janet nguyen: it says here

1483
01:10:29,388 --> 01:10:31,991
they're requesting a waiver with

1484
01:10:31,991 --> 01:10:33,292
the commercial general client,

1485
01:10:33,292 --> 01:10:36,892
the auto liability as well and

1486
01:10:37,496 --> 01:10:38,464
then also the -- saw the

1487
01:10:38,464 --> 01:10:40,864
indemnification. But just in

1488
01:10:41,334 --> 01:10:42,935
general, because I don't -- I

1489
01:10:42,935 --> 01:10:44,360
didn't -- we didn't catch that

1490
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,504
from the last contract, and so I

1491
01:10:45,504 --> 01:10:46,238
just wanted to know what's the

1492
01:10:46,238 --> 01:10:47,807
difference between the last one

1493
01:10:47,807 --> 01:10:50,910
and this one and why those

1494
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:52,440
waivers. But it's -- I can find

1495
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:54,680
out from the D.A. Afterward.

1496
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:55,448
It's not something that I would

1497
01:10:55,448 --> 01:10:56,916
vote against.

1498
01:10:56,916 --> 01:10:59,719
>>leon page: I think the answer

1499
01:10:59,719 --> 01:11:00,720
in general is these are

1500
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,121
non-standard terms. It's

1501
01:11:02,121 --> 01:11:03,890
non-standard in the way that

1502
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:04,891
we're seeking mutual

1503
01:11:04,891 --> 01:11:07,291
indemnification. If we're sued

1504
01:11:09,228 --> 01:11:12,640
because of their acts, then we

1505
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,866
defend us, if we're sued because

1506
01:11:13,866 --> 01:11:16,636
of our -- they're sued box

1507
01:11:16,636 --> 01:11:17,436
office our acts, then we have to

1508
01:11:17,436 --> 01:11:19,806
defend them. That's not

1509
01:11:19,806 --> 01:11:20,706
typically what we see. But

1510
01:11:20,706 --> 01:11:22,741
that's the variation I think why

1511
01:11:22,741 --> 01:11:24,644
you're seeing this language in

1512
01:11:24,644 --> 01:11:26,145
the asr and the contract.

1513
01:11:26,145 --> 01:11:26,778
>>janet nguyen: thank you.

1514
01:11:26,778 --> 01:11:27,814
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's been

1515
01:11:27,814 --> 01:11:29,849
moved and seconded. If there's

1516
01:11:29,849 --> 01:11:32,849
no objection, the item is

1517
01:11:35,821 --> 01:11:37,323
approved. Item, 13, please.

1518
01:11:37,323 --> 01:11:39,723
>>clerk, robin stieler: under

1519
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:47,310
sheriff corner in...

1520
01:11:47,299 --> 01:11:47,500
And we have no requests to

1521
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:49,135
speak.

1522
01:11:49,135 --> 01:11:49,535
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

1523
01:11:49,535 --> 01:11:50,269
all-district item.

1524
01:11:50,269 --> 01:11:50,536
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

1525
01:11:50,536 --> 01:11:51,270
the item.

1526
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:52,638
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

1527
01:11:52,638 --> 01:11:55,380
objection? Item is approved.

1528
01:12:12,158 --> 01:12:14,860
Item 14, please. We have no

1529
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:15,280
requests to speak on agenda item

1530
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:15,628
14.

1531
01:12:15,628 --> 01:12:18,197
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

1532
01:12:18,197 --> 01:12:20,597
district 3 and 5 item. Any

1533
01:12:21,234 --> 01:12:22,602
objection? Items approved --

1534
01:12:22,602 --> 01:12:24,602
item's approved. Item 15,

1535
01:12:37,917 --> 01:12:39,520
please. We have no requests to

1536
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:40,419
speak on agenda item 15.

1537
01:12:40,419 --> 01:12:41,154
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

1538
01:12:41,154 --> 01:12:43,490
all-district item. Moved and

1539
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:45,890
seconded. Any objection? Item

1540
01:13:08,781 --> 01:13:11,181
is approved. Item 16, please.

1541
01:13:12,552 --> 01:13:12,919
We have no requests to speak on

1542
01:13:12,919 --> 01:13:13,520
agenda item 16.

1543
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:14,120
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

1544
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:14,821
all-district item.

1545
01:13:14,821 --> 01:13:15,880
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

1546
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:16,456
the item.

1547
01:13:16,456 --> 01:13:18,958
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

1548
01:13:18,958 --> 01:13:19,759
seconded. Any objection?

1549
01:13:19,759 --> 01:13:21,940
supervisor sarmiento.

1550
01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:23,494
>>vincente sarmiento: I'm sorry,

1551
01:13:24,130 --> 01:13:25,532
MR. Chair. I thought button

1552
01:13:25,532 --> 01:13:25,732
prematurely. It's for the next

1553
01:13:25,732 --> 01:13:27,732
item.

1554
01:13:28,802 --> 01:13:30,270
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So

1555
01:13:30,270 --> 01:13:31,905
there being no objection, that

1556
01:13:31,905 --> 01:13:34,905
item is also approved. Let's

1557
01:13:51,591 --> 01:13:53,325
move on to item 17, please. And

1558
01:13:53,325 --> 01:13:54,694
we have one request to speak on

1559
01:13:54,694 --> 01:13:55,595
agenda item 17.

1560
01:13:55,595 --> 01:13:57,130
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

1561
01:13:57,130 --> 01:13:59,130
call the speaker.

1562
01:14:02,869 --> 01:14:05,269
>>clerk, robin stieler: cheryl.

1563
01:14:05,505 --> 01:14:08,505
>>speaker: this item coming back

1564
01:14:09,443 --> 01:14:13,112
up again, the last time you gave

1565
01:14:13,112 --> 01:14:16,112
the los angeles angels was $9

1566
01:14:16,349 --> 01:14:18,352
million contract from the health

1567
01:14:18,352 --> 01:14:21,722
department. When I asked for an

1568
01:14:21,722 --> 01:14:24,122
accountability of what that $9

1569
01:14:24,891 --> 01:14:27,891
million resulted in, I received

1570
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:30,197
from a public records request a

1571
01:14:30,197 --> 01:14:32,332
detailed list of what date the

1572
01:14:32,332 --> 01:14:35,332
checks were mailed. That was

1573
01:14:35,535 --> 01:14:37,871
it. That is not a medicine

1574
01:14:37,871 --> 01:14:39,906
trick that really makes any

1575
01:14:39,906 --> 01:14:42,309
sense, to know what $9 million

1576
01:14:42,309 --> 01:14:44,544
did. This one is for $200,000.

1577
01:14:44,544 --> 01:14:46,747
It's supposed to be accounting

1578
01:14:46,747 --> 01:14:49,215
for how many impressions you get

1579
01:14:49,215 --> 01:14:52,215
from your signage, from handing

1580
01:14:52,352 --> 01:14:54,752
out flyers. Millions of

1581
01:14:54,788 --> 01:14:56,690
impressions, sweepstakes,

1582
01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:58,690
bobbleheads, t-shirts,

1583
01:14:58,926 --> 01:15:00,928
billboards do not equal results.

1584
01:15:00,928 --> 01:15:02,763
Giving the money to a team that

1585
01:15:02,763 --> 01:15:05,763
won't even acknowledge that they

1586
01:15:05,833 --> 01:15:08,235
are in orange county is another

1587
01:15:08,235 --> 01:15:09,502
travesty. The amount of

1588
01:15:09,502 --> 01:15:11,171
ridiculous situations -- when

1589
01:15:11,171 --> 01:15:12,372
somebody goes to a baseball

1590
01:15:12,372 --> 01:15:14,508
game, they are not there to find

1591
01:15:14,508 --> 01:15:16,430
out if they need mental health.

1592
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:19,643
They're there to cheer on their

1593
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:21,180
team, to have a hot dog, some

1594
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:22,916
nachos and have a good time.

1595
01:15:22,916 --> 01:15:25,853
The fact that we're using this

1596
01:15:25,853 --> 01:15:26,487
money in this, we have so many

1597
01:15:26,487 --> 01:15:27,921
other places we could be using

1598
01:15:27,921 --> 01:15:29,789
this money, that really would

1599
01:15:29,789 --> 01:15:31,492
give you results. Theim people

1600
01:15:31,492 --> 01:15:34,461
in are depressed or mentally

1601
01:15:34,461 --> 01:15:36,863
ill, those people are not at a

1602
01:15:36,863 --> 01:15:39,263
baseball game spending $100 or

1603
01:15:39,699 --> 01:15:41,535
more to sit there and talk about

1604
01:15:41,535 --> 01:15:43,537
how they're not feeling well.

1605
01:15:43,537 --> 01:15:45,938
So this is an area where this

1606
01:15:45,938 --> 01:15:47,540
money should be better utilized

1607
01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:49,900
in an area that can be actually

1608
01:15:49,900 --> 01:15:51,445
helpful. If you want to hand

1609
01:15:51,445 --> 01:15:52,846
out brochures, if you want to

1610
01:15:52,846 --> 01:15:55,181
have all of this kind of thing,

1611
01:15:55,181 --> 01:15:57,183
go to the places where people

1612
01:15:57,183 --> 01:15:58,919
are living homeless, where they

1613
01:15:58,919 --> 01:16:00,320
have mental illness, where they

1614
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,156
have substance abuse. These are

1615
01:16:02,156 --> 01:16:03,791
the people that need this help.

1616
01:16:03,791 --> 01:16:05,258
These are the people that need

1617
01:16:05,258 --> 01:16:05,892
to use this money. Thank you.

1618
01:16:05,892 --> 01:16:06,590
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1619
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:06,860
you.

1620
01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:09,260
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

1621
01:16:09,629 --> 01:16:11,265
further speakers, MR. Chair.

1622
01:16:11,265 --> 01:16:12,980
[Applause]

1623
01:16:12,980 --> 01:16:12,566
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1624
01:16:12,566 --> 01:16:13,200
supervisor sarmiento.

1625
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,167
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,

1626
01:16:14,167 --> 01:16:16,604
MR. Chair. And I apologize for

1627
01:16:16,604 --> 01:16:18,205
hitting the button prematurely

1628
01:16:18,205 --> 01:16:19,740
on the last item. I did want to

1629
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:22,760
make a few comments. This is an

1630
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,760
incredibly important item

1631
01:16:26,447 --> 01:16:28,820
because it is funding towards

1632
01:16:28,820 --> 01:16:30,383
campaign and strategy towards

1633
01:16:30,383 --> 01:16:31,452
outreach for families and people

1634
01:16:31,452 --> 01:16:33,852
going through behavioral health

1635
01:16:35,923 --> 01:16:40,123
crisis. So I did want to just

1636
01:16:40,194 --> 01:16:43,531
cite some of the data from last

1637
01:16:43,531 --> 01:16:45,660
year, JANUARY 2025 through

1638
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:47,368
DECEMBER 2025, the calendar year

1639
01:16:47,368 --> 01:16:50,537
showed the top, you know, users

1640
01:16:50,537 --> 01:16:52,639
of our resource guides were

1641
01:16:52,639 --> 01:16:55,390
people accessing information for

1642
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,760
child and youth mental health

1643
01:16:58,812 --> 01:17:01,812
and substance use resources that

1644
01:17:01,949 --> 01:17:03,451
over 1,000 requesters and users

1645
01:17:03,451 --> 01:17:07,510
at that. The second next group

1646
01:17:07,188 --> 01:17:09,890
that was the highest on this

1647
01:17:09,890 --> 01:17:10,491
list were resources for preg

1648
01:17:10,491 --> 01:17:11,926
canes and postpartum support.

1649
01:17:11,926 --> 01:17:14,895
and then you go down, and it's

1650
01:17:14,895 --> 01:17:16,497
for infants and young children.

1651
01:17:16,497 --> 01:17:20,670
So I do think that, you know,

1652
01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:21,402
it's important -- and I want to

1653
01:17:21,402 --> 01:17:22,570
thank DR. Kelly for working with

1654
01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:24,805
our office and talking to us

1655
01:17:24,805 --> 01:17:25,706
about how we can best use these

1656
01:17:25,706 --> 01:17:27,208
scarce resources. It's

1657
01:17:27,208 --> 01:17:28,776
important for us to be able to

1658
01:17:28,776 --> 01:17:29,543
reach everybody in our county

1659
01:17:29,543 --> 01:17:32,446
who's going through trauma. But

1660
01:17:32,446 --> 01:17:34,150
if we know where the need is,

1661
01:17:34,150 --> 01:17:36,583
that's where I think we should

1662
01:17:36,583 --> 01:17:37,952
be focused on. This contract

1663
01:17:37,952 --> 01:17:40,352
would approve a significant

1664
01:17:40,455 --> 01:17:42,590
investment to promote behavioral

1665
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:44,158
health messaging through the

1666
01:17:44,158 --> 01:17:47,758
angels platform. I'm not a big

1667
01:17:47,762 --> 01:17:48,563
fan, as I've always said, of the

1668
01:17:48,563 --> 01:17:50,563
angels organization, just

1669
01:17:50,998 --> 01:17:53,998
because they have a checkered

1670
01:17:54,135 --> 01:17:56,237
past with the stiff anaheim. So

1671
01:17:56,237 --> 01:17:57,772
it's -- you know, it's nothing

1672
01:17:57,772 --> 01:18:00,908
against the fans. I think the

1673
01:18:00,908 --> 01:18:03,244
organization has some issues.

1674
01:18:03,244 --> 01:18:06,247
But my hope is that maybe we

1675
01:18:06,247 --> 01:18:08,647
could talk about redirecting

1676
01:18:08,683 --> 01:18:10,918
these funds to our own platforms

1677
01:18:10,918 --> 01:18:14,518
that we are driving people to.

1678
01:18:16,257 --> 01:18:17,758
I know that we have several

1679
01:18:17,758 --> 01:18:19,393
platforms that we use, and some

1680
01:18:19,393 --> 01:18:22,229
of them can be confusing. We

1681
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:25,767
have oc navigator. We have oc

1682
01:18:25,767 --> 01:18:29,367
links. We have the hca website

1683
01:18:31,105 --> 01:18:32,240
and 211. None of them are as

1684
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:33,174
user-friendly as I'd like them

1685
01:18:33,174 --> 01:18:34,776
to be, and I think these monies

1686
01:18:34,776 --> 01:18:36,811
could be better spent. Maybe

1687
01:18:36,811 --> 01:18:38,613
trying to streamline, trying to

1688
01:18:38,613 --> 01:18:39,480
coordinate, trying to make these

1689
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:40,882
a little bit more helpful for

1690
01:18:40,882 --> 01:18:41,649
people that are going through

1691
01:18:41,649 --> 01:18:43,840
trauma. When you're going

1692
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:44,686
through trauma, from personal

1693
01:18:44,686 --> 01:18:46,821
knowledge, it's hard to navigate

1694
01:18:46,821 --> 01:18:48,822
tricky websites, even on a good

1695
01:18:48,822 --> 01:18:51,359
day. But residents on your

1696
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:52,493
worst day, it's even more

1697
01:18:52,493 --> 01:18:54,280
difficult. So, you know, I also

1698
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,132
think that based upon what we

1699
01:18:57,132 --> 01:18:58,533
saw on the users, I'd rather, to

1700
01:18:58,533 --> 01:19:02,133
the establish the we are going

1701
01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:05,407
to be outreaching and dedicating

1702
01:19:05,407 --> 01:19:07,442
funds towards that, that we work

1703
01:19:07,442 --> 01:19:08,443
with our community clinics, that

1704
01:19:08,443 --> 01:19:10,645
we work with our hospitals, that

1705
01:19:10,645 --> 01:19:12,313
we work with our schools,

1706
01:19:12,313 --> 01:19:14,313
including community colleges,

1707
01:19:14,416 --> 01:19:15,350
four-year universities,

1708
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:16,952
after-school programs,

1709
01:19:16,952 --> 01:19:19,952
libraries, so all of those

1710
01:19:21,221 --> 01:19:21,822
things I think are

1711
01:19:21,822 --> 01:19:23,258
better partners for us to be

1712
01:19:23,258 --> 01:19:25,459
able to reach the community that

1713
01:19:25,459 --> 01:19:26,995
we see. I want to thank steve

1714
01:19:26,995 --> 01:19:30,595
mcnally, who sent in a written

1715
01:19:31,232 --> 01:19:33,670
message to the board, asks to be

1716
01:19:33,670 --> 01:19:34,702
us to also reconsider this

1717
01:19:34,702 --> 01:19:36,103
because I know he has a family

1718
01:19:36,103 --> 01:19:36,904
member that he's been caring

1719
01:19:36,904 --> 01:19:38,239
for, and he's been a really

1720
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:39,641
strong advocate. We want to

1721
01:19:39,641 --> 01:19:41,443
thank him for his messaging.

1722
01:19:41,443 --> 01:19:43,678
But I won't be supporting the

1723
01:19:43,678 --> 01:19:45,813
item this morning. I think that

1724
01:19:45,813 --> 01:19:48,116
what we need to do is

1725
01:19:48,116 --> 01:19:49,718
re-evaluate these funds and, you

1726
01:19:49,718 --> 01:19:51,386
know, hopefully re-purpose them

1727
01:19:51,386 --> 01:19:52,787
to be able to come up with a

1728
01:19:52,787 --> 01:19:55,924
system and a platform that will

1729
01:19:55,924 --> 01:19:56,724
be very simple and easy for our

1730
01:19:56,724 --> 01:19:58,259
families that have family

1731
01:19:58,259 --> 01:19:59,928
members that are going through

1732
01:19:59,928 --> 01:20:02,197
trauma or individuals themselves

1733
01:20:02,197 --> 01:20:04,265
that MAY need some immediate

1734
01:20:04,265 --> 01:20:06,340
support. So I would like to,

1735
01:20:06,340 --> 01:20:08,270
you know, request and direct

1736
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:10,371
that the hca bring forward a

1737
01:20:10,371 --> 01:20:12,207
proposal to engage a consultant

1738
01:20:12,207 --> 01:20:14,242
and assess the full digital

1739
01:20:14,242 --> 01:20:15,743
footprint that we have as it

1740
01:20:15,743 --> 01:20:16,745
relates to mental health

1741
01:20:16,745 --> 01:20:19,745
services that the county offers

1742
01:20:19,915 --> 01:20:22,116
and oc navigator and develop a

1743
01:20:22,116 --> 01:20:23,752
strategy to strengthen both the

1744
01:20:23,752 --> 01:20:25,654
platform and our outreach. So,

1745
01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:28,560
you know, I certainly appreciate

1746
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,293
the effort. I know this amount

1747
01:20:31,293 --> 01:20:32,861
that's requested today is

1748
01:20:32,861 --> 01:20:34,462
800,000. I know all of a sudden

1749
01:20:34,462 --> 01:20:36,464
a request for 3 million. So we

1750
01:20:36,464 --> 01:20:37,320
were pairing it down. I

1751
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,601
appreciate it. But to the

1752
01:20:39,601 --> 01:20:41,737
extent that we can use these

1753
01:20:41,737 --> 01:20:42,838
funds and they are scarce, you

1754
01:20:42,838 --> 01:20:45,674
know, in a way that will help

1755
01:20:45,674 --> 01:20:46,574
all our families and really

1756
01:20:46,574 --> 01:20:48,677
provide those services where the

1757
01:20:48,677 --> 01:20:50,212
need seems to be, that's where I

1758
01:20:50,212 --> 01:20:51,913
am, MR. Chair. So I will not be

1759
01:20:51,913 --> 01:20:53,913
supporting this item.

1760
01:20:54,883 --> 01:20:56,518
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1761
01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:57,520
you,. Supervisor wagner.

1762
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,200
>>don wagner: thank you,

1763
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,556
MR. CHAIRMAN. I'll note out of

1764
01:21:00,556 --> 01:21:03,258
the staff report there were over

1765
01:21:03,258 --> 01:21:05,193
2800 survey responses collected

1766
01:21:05,193 --> 01:21:07,329
by hca indicating that a sports

1767
01:21:07,329 --> 01:21:08,830
venue like this -- and we had a

1768
01:21:08,830 --> 01:21:11,230
prior agreement with the

1769
01:21:11,667 --> 01:21:12,901
ducks -- can be an effective

1770
01:21:12,901 --> 01:21:14,302
place to advertise. And you

1771
01:21:14,302 --> 01:21:16,702
know, specifically with respect

1772
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:18,907
to the questions raised by the

1773
01:21:18,907 --> 01:21:20,843
public comment, I mean, look, we

1774
01:21:20,843 --> 01:21:22,678
know advertising works. That's

1775
01:21:22,678 --> 01:21:25,130
why it is a multibillion dollar

1776
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:27,950
industry. And we are seeing,

1777
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:29,950
specifically with baseball,

1778
01:21:30,352 --> 01:21:32,540
attendance is up. And so

1779
01:21:32,540 --> 01:21:35,540
getting those eyeballs that are

1780
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:37,459
in the stadium on these ads and

1781
01:21:37,459 --> 01:21:40,459
letting folks know that also

1782
01:21:40,696 --> 01:21:42,631
help available out in the

1783
01:21:42,631 --> 01:21:44,299
community is important. It is

1784
01:21:44,299 --> 01:21:46,235
simply not a reason to oppose

1785
01:21:46,235 --> 01:21:48,503
this, that, well, those in

1786
01:21:48,503 --> 01:21:51,106
crisis aren't going to baseball

1787
01:21:51,106 --> 01:21:53,341
games. These ads in large

1788
01:21:53,341 --> 01:21:56,278
measure are directed to family

1789
01:21:56,278 --> 01:21:57,345
members, folks who are dealing

1790
01:21:57,345 --> 01:22:00,816
with loved ones in crisis. And

1791
01:22:00,816 --> 01:22:03,252
we are letting them know there

1792
01:22:03,252 --> 01:22:05,587
are resources out there that

1793
01:22:05,587 --> 01:22:08,524
this county puts a lot of money

1794
01:22:08,524 --> 01:22:10,726
into to help your loved one.

1795
01:22:10,726 --> 01:22:11,293
And what we're trying to do --

1796
01:22:11,293 --> 01:22:13,195
is supervisor sarmiento was

1797
01:22:13,195 --> 01:22:15,698
absolutely right about it. The

1798
01:22:15,698 --> 01:22:17,933
ease or maybe relative lack of

1799
01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:21,533
ease of some of the information

1800
01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:24,390
you're trying to assess, but at

1801
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:25,708
least you've got somebody in the

1802
01:22:25,708 --> 01:22:27,242
door when they're on that

1803
01:22:27,242 --> 01:22:28,443
website or when they're

1804
01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:29,945
searching for help for

1805
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:32,345
themselves or more importantly

1806
01:22:33,415 --> 01:22:36,318
help for a loved one. And so I

1807
01:22:36,318 --> 01:22:37,553
think the program has some

1808
01:22:37,553 --> 01:22:39,953
demonstrated success. I think

1809
01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:42,191
it's way too late in the game to

1810
01:22:42,191 --> 01:22:43,240
say, advertisements just don't

1811
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,727
work. Of course they do.

1812
01:22:44,727 --> 01:22:46,280
That's why it's that

1813
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,163
multibillion dollar industry,

1814
01:22:47,163 --> 01:22:49,965
and we are aiming for families.

1815
01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:51,000
Families are the key to getting

1816
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,468
loved ones into treatment. And

1817
01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:54,570
I am all for this program. If

1818
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:55,503
it hasn't been already moved, I

1819
01:22:55,503 --> 01:22:57,503
will move it.

1820
01:22:58,340 --> 01:22:58,841
>>janet nguyen: I'll second it.

1821
01:22:58,841 --> 01:23:00,900
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1822
01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:00,643
vice-chair foley.

1823
01:23:00,643 --> 01:23:01,543
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

1824
01:23:01,543 --> 01:23:03,178
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'll be

1825
01:23:03,178 --> 01:23:04,180
supporting the item. I haven't

1826
01:23:04,180 --> 01:23:06,882
supported this item since I got

1827
01:23:06,882 --> 01:23:10,482
here because I think it's an

1828
01:23:13,155 --> 01:23:13,789
ineffective way of marketing

1829
01:23:13,789 --> 01:23:14,757
regarding mental health. I

1830
01:23:14,757 --> 01:23:16,158
won't be supporting this item.

1831
01:23:16,158 --> 01:23:20,358
If you go to a baseball game,

1832
01:23:20,529 --> 01:23:22,365
you barely see the oc navigator

1833
01:23:22,365 --> 01:23:23,865
promotion. And often it's

1834
01:23:23,865 --> 01:23:26,836
followed by a beer promotion.

1835
01:23:26,836 --> 01:23:29,400
And so it's almost like it's in

1836
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:30,639
conflict. So I don't think it's

1837
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:33,909
a very effective campaign. So I

1838
01:23:33,909 --> 01:23:35,444
won't be supporting it.

1839
01:23:35,444 --> 01:23:35,845
>>chair, doug chaffee:

1840
01:23:35,845 --> 01:23:37,413
supervisor nguyen.

1841
01:23:37,413 --> 01:23:39,813
>>janet nguyen: thank you,

1842
01:23:39,949 --> 01:23:41,983
MR. CHAIRMAN. I appreciate

1843
01:23:41,983 --> 01:23:43,219
supervisor sarmiento's comment.

1844
01:23:43,219 --> 01:23:45,187
As I mentioned before, I do also

1845
01:23:45,187 --> 01:23:45,788
want us to get into the

1846
01:23:45,788 --> 01:23:47,723
community as well in terms of

1847
01:23:47,723 --> 01:23:49,659
our outreach, but for those whoa

1848
01:23:49,659 --> 01:23:52,294
don't know, I mean, orange

1849
01:23:52,294 --> 01:23:54,397
county is the beacon of where

1850
01:23:54,397 --> 01:23:56,132
baseball -- all the -- and I

1851
01:23:56,132 --> 01:23:58,300
only know this because my son

1852
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:01,404
plays baseball, and he does it

1853
01:24:01,404 --> 01:24:03,573
all day long seven days a week.

1854
01:24:03,573 --> 01:24:04,474
And so all tournaments and

1855
01:24:04,474 --> 01:24:07,376
everything of baseball comes to

1856
01:24:07,376 --> 01:24:10,480
orange county. So we are a huge

1857
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:11,914
beacon of baseball, and our

1858
01:24:11,914 --> 01:24:13,683
children -- lots of children and

1859
01:24:13,683 --> 01:24:15,218
families go to these games. And

1860
01:24:15,218 --> 01:24:16,853
this is another avenue for us to

1861
01:24:16,853 --> 01:24:18,870
outreach them. I think it's

1862
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:19,689
reasonable for the contract. I

1863
01:24:19,689 --> 01:24:20,590
mean, you know, it was in the

1864
01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:22,824
millions of dollars. It has

1865
01:24:22,824 --> 01:24:25,762
been scaled down. And I think

1866
01:24:25,762 --> 01:24:27,262
there's good matrix, good

1867
01:24:27,262 --> 01:24:29,966
numbers and effective. So I

1868
01:24:29,966 --> 01:24:31,868
think we should move forward.

1869
01:24:31,868 --> 01:24:33,436
Why we also should consider how

1870
01:24:33,436 --> 01:24:35,938
can we use other fundings that

1871
01:24:35,938 --> 01:24:36,973
we have scaled down to outreach

1872
01:24:36,973 --> 01:24:38,274
to the individual communities,

1873
01:24:38,274 --> 01:24:38,875
whether it's the community

1874
01:24:38,875 --> 01:24:40,875
clinics, the different

1875
01:24:41,311 --> 01:24:44,447
nonprofits that we all work in.

1876
01:24:44,447 --> 01:24:47,183
But even in my district, most

1877
01:24:47,183 --> 01:24:48,170
kids know it's baseball versus

1878
01:24:48,170 --> 01:24:50,520
hockey, as I mentioned with the

1879
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,621
hockey contract, and so I'm

1880
01:24:52,621 --> 01:24:55,621
supportive given the scope, the

1881
01:24:55,658 --> 01:24:57,393
narrow scope and also how much

1882
01:24:57,393 --> 01:24:58,227
more advantage we get in terms

1883
01:24:58,227 --> 01:24:59,762
of reaching out to these

1884
01:24:59,762 --> 01:25:00,497
children and families.

1885
01:25:00,497 --> 01:25:02,565
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

1886
01:25:02,565 --> 01:25:03,733
you, supervisor. I also will be

1887
01:25:03,733 --> 01:25:06,733
supportive. I would note that

1888
01:25:07,937 --> 01:25:08,538
the ads do show up on tv when

1889
01:25:08,538 --> 01:25:10,706
they're televising the game.

1890
01:25:10,706 --> 01:25:12,750
You can see them, so it does get

1891
01:25:12,750 --> 01:25:14,277
wide distribution. And this

1892
01:25:14,277 --> 01:25:15,812
year so far the angels have been

1893
01:25:15,812 --> 01:25:18,470
more fun to watch. So maybe

1894
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:20,483
we'll get better value out of

1895
01:25:20,483 --> 01:25:23,986
this than in the past. Looks

1896
01:25:23,986 --> 01:25:24,921
like we have 2 no votes. MADAM

1897
01:25:24,921 --> 01:25:25,922
Clerk, would you please you came

1898
01:25:25,922 --> 01:25:26,423
the roll.

1899
01:25:26,423 --> 01:25:28,423
>>clerk, robin stieler:

1900
01:25:29,592 --> 01:25:29,825
supervisor wagner. Supervisor

1901
01:25:29,825 --> 01:25:31,428
nguyen.

1902
01:25:31,428 --> 01:25:33,428
>>janet nguyen: aye.

1903
01:25:33,429 --> 01:25:34,931
>>clerk, robin stieler:

1904
01:25:34,931 --> 01:25:36,931
supervisor sarmiento.

1905
01:25:38,168 --> 01:25:40,568
Vice-chair foley eyes nay.

1906
01:25:41,103 --> 01:25:41,303
>>clerk, robin stieler: and

1907
01:25:41,303 --> 01:25:42,439
chair.

1908
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,839
>>chair, doug chaffee: aye.

1909
01:25:48,378 --> 01:25:50,913
Item passes 3-2. And now we are

1910
01:25:50,913 --> 01:25:52,716
pleased to introduce bob page

1911
01:25:52,716 --> 01:25:56,316
has arrived. Let's go back to

1912
01:25:58,688 --> 01:26:01,880
item 10 now. And supervisor,

1913
01:26:01,858 --> 01:26:02,459
you were wanting to ask

1914
01:26:02,459 --> 01:26:03,259
questions.

1915
01:26:03,259 --> 01:26:04,393
>>speaker: I thought heard that

1916
01:26:04,393 --> 01:26:06,529
the consent was approved, that's

1917
01:26:06,529 --> 01:26:08,980
why I left. I'm here to answer

1918
01:26:08,980 --> 01:26:09,465
any question that you have.

1919
01:26:09,465 --> 01:26:11,568
>>don wagner: I actually didn't

1920
01:26:11,568 --> 01:26:12,235
have the question. It was a

1921
01:26:12,235 --> 01:26:13,436
question of supervisor foley.

1922
01:26:13,436 --> 01:26:15,836
You've answered my question,

1923
01:26:16,505 --> 01:26:18,442
where were you? Got it,

1924
01:26:18,442 --> 01:26:19,442
confused. Consent calendar was

1925
01:26:19,442 --> 01:26:20,943
partially approved, but it was

1926
01:26:20,943 --> 01:26:22,379
others I thought who had

1927
01:26:22,379 --> 01:26:23,980
questions about the drop boxes

1928
01:26:23,980 --> 01:26:25,549
and the pickup of the drop

1929
01:26:25,549 --> 01:26:28,549
boxes. There was a public

1930
01:26:29,986 --> 01:26:32,986
comment with relation to the

1931
01:26:33,723 --> 01:26:34,290
postage, the deadline. And so I

1932
01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:35,692
just wanted to give you the

1933
01:26:35,692 --> 01:26:37,327
opportunity to address those. I

1934
01:26:37,327 --> 01:26:39,462
don't know whether you heard the

1935
01:26:39,462 --> 01:26:40,697
public comments, but it was

1936
01:26:40,697 --> 01:26:40,964
supervisor foley who had the

1937
01:26:40,964 --> 01:26:41,598
questions.

1938
01:26:41,598 --> 01:26:43,900
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,

1939
01:26:43,900 --> 01:26:44,768
if you want to answer my

1940
01:26:44,768 --> 01:26:47,300
questions that already got

1941
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:50,300
answered, you can answer again.

1942
01:26:50,206 --> 01:26:52,309
But so the first question was,

1943
01:26:52,309 --> 01:26:53,943
this is a licensing agreement

1944
01:26:53,943 --> 01:26:56,343
for different properties. Are

1945
01:26:56,345 --> 01:26:58,548
we paying for these -- the right

1946
01:26:58,548 --> 01:26:58,848
to put the drop boxes on these

1947
01:26:58,848 --> 01:27:00,650
properties?

1948
01:27:00,650 --> 01:27:03,185
>>speaker: we are not. These

1949
01:27:03,185 --> 01:27:03,986
are 30 locations that currently

1950
01:27:03,986 --> 01:27:05,322
have drop boxes installed, and

1951
01:27:05,322 --> 01:27:06,622
because we want to continue to

1952
01:27:06,622 --> 01:27:07,891
use those locations, we're

1953
01:27:07,891 --> 01:27:09,891
bringing back those 30

1954
01:27:09,927 --> 01:27:10,193
agreements to board for

1955
01:27:10,193 --> 01:27:10,794
approval.

1956
01:27:10,794 --> 01:27:12,195
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

1957
01:27:12,195 --> 01:27:13,196
then there was a concern

1958
01:27:13,196 --> 01:27:16,133
expressed by the public that

1959
01:27:16,133 --> 01:27:19,133
drop boxes are not tracked,

1960
01:27:22,905 --> 01:27:24,174
monitored, nor are there ballots

1961
01:27:24,174 --> 01:27:25,942
picked up before the election or

1962
01:27:25,942 --> 01:27:26,943
on election day. It's after the

1963
01:27:26,943 --> 01:27:28,679
fact. You can address the

1964
01:27:28,679 --> 01:27:29,580
procedure as it relates to

1965
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:31,515
collecting the ballots and

1966
01:27:31,515 --> 01:27:33,915
securing the drop boxes.

1967
01:27:34,651 --> 01:27:36,253
>>speaker: yes. So we unlock

1968
01:27:36,253 --> 01:27:39,853
all of the drop boxes 29 days

1969
01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:40,123
before election day, which is a

1970
01:27:40,123 --> 01:27:41,424
monday.

1971
01:27:41,424 --> 01:27:42,125
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: what

1972
01:27:42,125 --> 01:27:43,527
day is that?

1973
01:27:43,527 --> 01:27:44,260
>>speaker: for this upcoming

1974
01:27:44,260 --> 01:27:46,620
election, that will be

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01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:48,398
MAY 4th. And we then send

1976
01:27:48,398 --> 01:27:49,500
two-person teams to every drop

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01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:52,169
box daily except for the first

1978
01:27:52,169 --> 01:27:53,737
two sundays. I give them two

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01:27:53,737 --> 01:27:55,272
days off over that month period.

1980
01:27:55,272 --> 01:27:57,707
So they are going to every box.

1981
01:27:57,707 --> 01:27:59,877
When they arrive at a box, they

1982
01:27:59,877 --> 01:28:01,478
are required to follow certain

1983
01:28:01,478 --> 01:28:04,478
chain of custody and security

1984
01:28:04,481 --> 01:28:07,481
steps. They unlock the box,

1985
01:28:08,418 --> 01:28:10,153
remove the -- make sure that any

1986
01:28:10,153 --> 01:28:11,989
ballot that was dropped fell

1987
01:28:11,989 --> 01:28:14,391
within the ballot bag that was

1988
01:28:14,391 --> 01:28:17,991
inside. They zipper up the bag,

1989
01:28:18,262 --> 01:28:21,131
put a number, auditable sealle

1990
01:28:21,131 --> 01:28:22,900
like zip-tied on the zipper and

1991
01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:23,767
then keep it sealed for

1992
01:28:23,767 --> 01:28:25,936
transport back to our office.

1993
01:28:25,936 --> 01:28:26,737
They are then required to take

1994
01:28:26,737 --> 01:28:28,172
several photos. A photo that

1995
01:28:28,172 --> 01:28:29,873
shows that the box is empty,

1996
01:28:29,873 --> 01:28:32,141
that the fire suppression device

1997
01:28:32,141 --> 01:28:33,543
inside the box is still intact.

1998
01:28:33,543 --> 01:28:35,945
They take another photo to show

1999
01:28:35,945 --> 01:28:38,849
that they have locked the door

2000
01:28:38,849 --> 01:28:39,683
and put a numbered seal on the

2001
01:28:39,683 --> 01:28:42,353
door between the door and the

2002
01:28:42,353 --> 01:28:43,320
rest of the box. They're also

2003
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:44,154
required to take another photo

2004
01:28:44,154 --> 01:28:45,356
when they're back at their

2005
01:28:45,356 --> 01:28:46,857
vehicle to show that they have

2006
01:28:46,857 --> 01:28:48,392
the key that unlocked the door

2007
01:28:48,392 --> 01:28:50,461
to the box because every single

2008
01:28:50,461 --> 01:28:52,530
box has a unique key. There's

2009
01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:54,431
no master key that allows

2010
01:28:54,431 --> 01:28:56,800
somebody to open all 128 boxes

2011
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,637
that we have. They then, using

2012
01:28:59,637 --> 01:29:00,503
a survey 1, 2, 3 app will

2013
01:29:00,503 --> 01:29:03,340
forward those photos that they

2014
01:29:03,340 --> 01:29:03,841
took to our office. We have a

2015
01:29:03,841 --> 01:29:05,841
three-person team who's

2016
01:29:05,843 --> 01:29:08,243
communicating with those folks

2017
01:29:08,279 --> 01:29:10,414
in the field with 800 mega hurts

2018
01:29:10,414 --> 01:29:12,490
radios. The team in the field

2019
01:29:12,490 --> 01:29:13,651
calls and says I've sent in

2020
01:29:13,651 --> 01:29:15,586
photos, I've completed my box.

2021
01:29:15,586 --> 01:29:17,521
One of the three people in my

2022
01:29:17,521 --> 01:29:18,822
office will review the photos.

2023
01:29:18,822 --> 01:29:19,790
If they took the correct photos,

2024
01:29:19,790 --> 01:29:21,758
they show what they, did they

2025
01:29:21,758 --> 01:29:23,460
were supposed to do, they then

2026
01:29:23,460 --> 01:29:24,996
clear them to go to the next

2027
01:29:24,996 --> 01:29:26,300
box. We're doing that on a

2028
01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:29,433
daily basis except for the first

2029
01:29:29,433 --> 01:29:30,968
two sundays. Then on election

2030
01:29:30,968 --> 01:29:32,870
day we recruit two to three

2031
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:34,672
county employees from other

2032
01:29:34,672 --> 01:29:37,107
departments to be stationed at

2033
01:29:37,107 --> 01:29:37,608
every single one of the boxes

2034
01:29:37,608 --> 01:29:39,644
out in the field for an

2035
01:29:39,644 --> 01:29:41,379
eight-hour shift. So they're

2036
01:29:41,379 --> 01:29:43,214
helping, assisting voters who

2037
01:29:43,214 --> 01:29:46,383
show up late to get their

2038
01:29:46,383 --> 01:29:47,351
ballots into the box at 8:00

2039
01:29:47,351 --> 01:29:50,951
P.M. On election night. They

2040
01:29:51,489 --> 01:29:53,457
are making sure that the boxes

2041
01:29:53,457 --> 01:29:55,893
are assign -- that they're

2042
01:29:55,893 --> 01:29:57,361
assigned to is locked so there

2043
01:29:57,361 --> 01:29:58,563
can be no more additional

2044
01:29:58,563 --> 01:30:00,298
ballots put in those boxes. On

2045
01:30:00,298 --> 01:30:03,234
election day we pick up in the

2046
01:30:03,234 --> 01:30:04,635
morning. Those teams that are

2047
01:30:04,635 --> 01:30:06,370
there assist and lock the box,

2048
01:30:06,370 --> 01:30:08,705
they're not bringing ballots

2049
01:30:08,705 --> 01:30:11,109
back at night. We send the

2050
01:30:11,109 --> 01:30:12,542
two-person teams back out the

2051
01:30:12,542 --> 01:30:14,645
next morning the day after the

2052
01:30:14,645 --> 01:30:16,247
election to pick up the ballots

2053
01:30:16,247 --> 01:30:18,483
and that were dropped in the box

2054
01:30:18,483 --> 01:30:19,484
after our morning pick-up on

2055
01:30:19,484 --> 01:30:21,953
election day and before the box

2056
01:30:21,953 --> 01:30:24,122
was locked at 8:00. If there's

2057
01:30:24,122 --> 01:30:25,490
a line of three people waiting

2058
01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:27,910
at 8:00, the people who were

2059
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:30,910
stationed there will allow the

2060
01:30:30,762 --> 01:30:31,195
last person in line to put their

2061
01:30:31,195 --> 01:30:31,829
ballot into the box.

2062
01:30:31,829 --> 01:30:33,864
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

2063
01:30:33,864 --> 01:30:34,432
in the morning, you pick up the

2064
01:30:34,432 --> 01:30:35,665
ballots, and then the box is

2065
01:30:35,665 --> 01:30:36,901
locked until the next election,

2066
01:30:36,901 --> 01:30:37,335
is that right.

2067
01:30:37,335 --> 01:30:38,436
>>speaker: correct.

2068
01:30:38,436 --> 01:30:39,102
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

2069
01:30:39,102 --> 01:30:40,405
then there was a question by one

2070
01:30:40,405 --> 01:30:41,773
of the members of the public

2071
01:30:41,773 --> 01:30:43,808
about this executive order.

2072
01:30:43,808 --> 01:30:44,750
Does that apply in this

2073
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:46,750
election?

2074
01:30:46,844 --> 01:30:49,244
>>speaker: the executive order

2075
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:51,549
cannot create new law. So I

2076
01:30:51,549 --> 01:30:53,718
must continue to follow existing

2077
01:30:53,718 --> 01:30:56,718
state and federal law regarding

2078
01:30:57,155 --> 01:30:59,391
elections. If the law changes

2079
01:30:59,391 --> 01:31:01,592
and there are any -- so

2080
01:31:01,592 --> 01:31:03,861
basically, the contents of the

2081
01:31:03,861 --> 01:31:04,929
executive order, both the recent

2082
01:31:04,929 --> 01:31:07,865
one and the one from last year,

2083
01:31:07,865 --> 01:31:08,733
I view those as the PRESIDENT's

2084
01:31:08,733 --> 01:31:10,733
policies regarding elections.

2085
01:31:12,203 --> 01:31:12,937
But until congress or the state

2086
01:31:12,937 --> 01:31:14,937
legislature actually adopt

2087
01:31:15,473 --> 01:31:17,342
adopts any of those policies as

2088
01:31:17,342 --> 01:31:19,343
law, they're not enforceable --

2089
01:31:19,343 --> 01:31:19,978
they're not directed for me to

2090
01:31:19,978 --> 01:31:20,645
do anything.

2091
01:31:20,645 --> 01:31:23,645
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

2092
01:31:24,449 --> 01:31:24,949
you. I'll renew my motion.

2093
01:31:24,949 --> 01:31:25,683
>>chair, doug chaffee:

2094
01:31:25,683 --> 01:31:26,284
supervisor sarmiento.

2095
01:31:26,284 --> 01:31:28,284
>>vincente sarmiento: yes.

2096
01:31:29,870 --> 01:31:30,387
Thank you. And bob, just to

2097
01:31:30,387 --> 01:31:32,257
kind of reiterate where maybe

2098
01:31:32,257 --> 01:31:34,159
some of the placements of these

2099
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:37,562
are. We had eight of these

2100
01:31:37,562 --> 01:31:39,463
boxes going in to anaheim. Six

2101
01:31:39,463 --> 01:31:40,698
in santa ana and one in tustin;

2102
01:31:40,698 --> 01:31:42,698
is that correct?

2103
01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:45,203
>>speaker: yes. And just to

2104
01:31:45,203 --> 01:31:46,971
reiterate, these 30 box that are

2105
01:31:46,971 --> 01:31:48,272
currently in place, this is

2106
01:31:48,272 --> 01:31:49,474
extending the time that we can

2107
01:31:49,474 --> 01:31:51,576
have them there because we want

2108
01:31:51,576 --> 01:31:52,844
voters to remember where the

2109
01:31:52,844 --> 01:31:53,845
boxes are. We don't want to

2110
01:31:53,845 --> 01:31:57,415
move them around every year. We

2111
01:31:57,415 --> 01:31:58,450
have 128 boxes for this election

2112
01:31:58,450 --> 01:32:00,185
that will be -- that are

2113
01:32:00,185 --> 01:32:01,987
installed all overnight county.

2114
01:32:01,987 --> 01:32:03,855
Four of them are currently being

2115
01:32:03,855 --> 01:32:05,423
installed. We have an increase

2116
01:32:05,423 --> 01:32:07,525
of voter registration since 2024

2117
01:32:07,525 --> 01:32:09,961
which now requires us to have

2118
01:32:09,961 --> 01:32:11,196
128. We had 124 in 2024. You

2119
01:32:11,196 --> 01:32:13,631
know, in a special election we

2120
01:32:13,631 --> 01:32:14,566
had to have 128 drop box

2121
01:32:14,566 --> 01:32:16,667
locations but couldn't do

2122
01:32:16,667 --> 01:32:18,469
agreements and get places time.

2123
01:32:18,469 --> 01:32:20,505
So we ended up doing staff

2124
01:32:20,505 --> 01:32:22,174
location using like a school

2125
01:32:22,174 --> 01:32:23,175
district office where somebody

2126
01:32:23,175 --> 01:32:24,541
could walk in during business

2127
01:32:24,541 --> 01:32:26,611
hours and drop often ballot in a

2128
01:32:26,611 --> 01:32:27,646
box there. So we met the

2129
01:32:27,646 --> 01:32:30,460
requirement, but we're actually

2130
01:32:30,515 --> 01:32:30,768
now installing four additional

2131
01:32:30,768 --> 01:32:31,316
boxes.

2132
01:32:31,316 --> 01:32:33,180
>>vincente sarmiento: great.

2133
01:32:33,180 --> 01:32:34,953
Thank you for having the

2134
01:32:34,953 --> 01:32:36,587
coverage that you have, at least

2135
01:32:36,587 --> 01:32:38,890
in my district. I appreciate

2136
01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:39,824
that. Because I know many in my

2137
01:32:39,824 --> 01:32:41,560
district have mobility

2138
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,560
challenges, accessibility issues

2139
01:32:43,828 --> 01:32:47,199
that MAY prevent them, if not

2140
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:48,433
for having these locations

2141
01:32:48,433 --> 01:32:50,602
convenient and available in

2142
01:32:50,602 --> 01:32:52,971
their neighborhood. So I have

2143
01:32:52,971 --> 01:32:53,438
to second the item. MR. Chair.

2144
01:32:53,438 --> 01:32:55,438
>>chair, doug chaffee:

2145
01:32:55,906 --> 01:32:57,906
supervisor wagner.

2146
01:32:57,942 --> 01:33:00,344
>>don wagner: you did say

2147
01:33:00,344 --> 01:33:01,480
something that caught my ear.

2148
01:33:01,480 --> 01:33:03,782
128 drop boxes. You clean them

2149
01:33:03,782 --> 01:33:05,817
out on election day, and then

2150
01:33:05,817 --> 01:33:08,320
you don't go back -- you lock

2151
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:08,520
them election night, all 128 of

2152
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:09,454
them.

2153
01:33:09,454 --> 01:33:09,721
>>speaker: yes, sir.

2154
01:33:09,721 --> 01:33:10,622
>>speaker:

2155
01:33:10,622 --> 01:33:12,658
>>don wagner: and you don't go

2156
01:33:12,658 --> 01:33:13,458
back until the next morning?

2157
01:33:13,458 --> 01:33:14,126
>>speaker: correct.

2158
01:33:14,126 --> 01:33:15,260
>>don wagner: I'm going to

2159
01:33:15,260 --> 01:33:17,362
assume election day is probably

2160
01:33:17,362 --> 01:33:18,262
one of the heavier davis use; is

2161
01:33:18,262 --> 01:33:19,664
that fair?

2162
01:33:19,664 --> 01:33:20,999
>>speaker: yes, it is.

2163
01:33:20,999 --> 01:33:22,000
>>don wagner: is how many

2164
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,600
ballots are out there on average

2165
01:33:27,172 --> 01:33:28,173
in those 128 boxes that, by

2166
01:33:28,173 --> 01:33:29,707
definition, do not get counted

2167
01:33:29,707 --> 01:33:31,209
on election night because

2168
01:33:31,209 --> 01:33:33,544
they're still sitting out in a

2169
01:33:33,544 --> 01:33:34,446
box somewhere?

2170
01:33:34,446 --> 01:33:36,415
>>speaker: I would clarify that

2171
01:33:36,415 --> 01:33:38,182
the ones we pick up in the

2172
01:33:38,182 --> 01:33:39,170
morning MAY not get into the

2173
01:33:39,170 --> 01:33:40,519
results that night either

2174
01:33:40,519 --> 01:33:42,855
because it typically takes at

2175
01:33:42,855 --> 01:33:44,556
least 24 hours between picking

2176
01:33:44,556 --> 01:33:46,391
up a ballot and actually getting

2177
01:33:46,391 --> 01:33:47,793
it through the scanner, all of

2178
01:33:47,793 --> 01:33:49,694
the different steps we go

2179
01:33:49,694 --> 01:33:52,431
through. But without looking at

2180
01:33:52,431 --> 01:33:55,330
the last -- what's left to

2181
01:33:55,330 --> 01:33:56,568
process report that we did from

2182
01:33:56,568 --> 01:33:58,604
the last election, I'm going to

2183
01:33:58,604 --> 01:33:59,438
estimate that on election day we

2184
01:33:59,438 --> 01:34:01,390
will probably get at least

2185
01:34:01,390 --> 01:34:03,390
100,000 ballots deposited into

2186
01:34:03,442 --> 01:34:05,442
drop boxes.

2187
01:34:06,478 --> 01:34:08,800
>>don wagner: that are not in

2188
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:08,513
your initial results the first

2189
01:34:08,513 --> 01:34:10,513
night.

2190
01:34:10,849 --> 01:34:12,351
>>speaker: and if we picked them

2191
01:34:12,351 --> 01:34:14,860
all up and brought them back on

2192
01:34:14,860 --> 01:34:15,587
election night after 8:00, they

2193
01:34:15,587 --> 01:34:17,256
still wouldn't be in the results

2194
01:34:17,256 --> 01:34:17,989
until after election day.

2195
01:34:17,989 --> 01:34:20,359
>>don wagner: is there any way

2196
01:34:20,359 --> 01:34:21,860
to fix that? We used to be able

2197
01:34:21,860 --> 01:34:23,860
to do that.

2198
01:34:24,196 --> 01:34:25,597
>>speaker: yeah. What I would

2199
01:34:25,597 --> 01:34:29,568
clarify about what we used to be

2200
01:34:29,568 --> 01:34:30,936
able to do is that when people

2201
01:34:30,936 --> 01:34:33,205
say I knew the results before I

2202
01:34:33,205 --> 01:34:35,541
went to sleep on election night

2203
01:34:35,541 --> 01:34:37,743
x number of years ago, what was

2204
01:34:37,743 --> 01:34:40,913
known then was what the media

2205
01:34:40,913 --> 01:34:43,313
was telling people. Election's

2206
01:34:43,315 --> 01:34:44,616
offices always since the 1970s

2207
01:34:44,616 --> 01:34:46,352
have had four weeks to complete

2208
01:34:46,352 --> 01:34:46,584
the can having as progression

2209
01:34:46,584 --> 01:34:48,453
ballots.

2210
01:34:48,453 --> 01:34:50,289
>>don wagner: other than dewey

2211
01:34:50,289 --> 01:34:53,125
defeats truman, how many times

2212
01:34:53,125 --> 01:34:55,461
has that -- what the media says

2213
01:34:55,461 --> 01:34:56,362
based on the report the first

2214
01:34:56,362 --> 01:34:58,463
night, has it changed 30 days

2215
01:34:58,463 --> 01:35:02,630
later any mean, the answer, bob,

2216
01:35:02,434 --> 01:35:03,670
before the current system is not

2217
01:35:03,670 --> 01:35:03,702
many.

2218
01:35:03,702 --> 01:35:04,770
>>speaker: and I'm not going to

2219
01:35:04,770 --> 01:35:06,772
comment on whether the media got

2220
01:35:06,772 --> 01:35:08,874
things right or wrong. I'm just

2221
01:35:08,874 --> 01:35:10,376
saying that election's officials

2222
01:35:10,376 --> 01:35:12,143
throughout the state, we do not

2223
01:35:12,143 --> 01:35:14,543
call elections. We certify

2224
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,782
them. And we have since the

2225
01:35:16,782 --> 01:35:19,182
1970s before we expanded.

2226
01:35:19,218 --> 01:35:20,520
It's never taken us four weeks

2227
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:21,920
in orange county to you do you

2228
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:22,955
it. There's been laws in place

2229
01:35:22,955 --> 01:35:24,790
in recent elections that have

2230
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:26,258
required me to wait four weeks

2231
01:35:26,258 --> 01:35:28,560
before I certified. But even in

2232
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:29,328
those instances like the federal

2233
01:35:29,328 --> 01:35:31,564
election and the presidential

2234
01:35:31,564 --> 01:35:33,265
election in NOVEMBER 2024, we

2235
01:35:33,265 --> 01:35:36,100
were done processing and doing

2236
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:36,602
all of our audits and

2237
01:35:36,602 --> 01:35:38,537
reconciliation 22 days after.

2238
01:35:38,537 --> 01:35:41,700
We didn't have to wait until 28.

2239
01:35:41,700 --> 01:35:42,375
But the law made us. So I think

2240
01:35:42,375 --> 01:35:44,610
similar for this election now,

2241
01:35:44,610 --> 01:35:47,130
the law is that I cannot certify

2242
01:35:47,130 --> 01:35:50,130
before 24 days before -- after

2243
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:53,190
election. Typically the two

2244
01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:53,952
primary elections that have been

2245
01:35:53,952 --> 01:35:56,656
conducted since I've been the

2246
01:35:56,656 --> 01:35:58,257
registrar in 20 22, we've

2247
01:35:58,257 --> 01:35:59,992
certified 17 days after. It's

2248
01:35:59,992 --> 01:36:01,494
so possible we will be ready to

2249
01:36:01,494 --> 01:36:04,494
certify a week before we're

2250
01:36:05,431 --> 01:36:06,699
legally allowed to.

2251
01:36:06,699 --> 01:36:06,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: back to

2252
01:36:06,999 --> 01:36:07,633
vice-chair.

2253
01:36:07,633 --> 01:36:09,902
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: one

2254
01:36:09,902 --> 01:36:13,502
more question. A few weeks ago

2255
01:36:15,341 --> 01:36:19,111
you gave me some data, and is it

2256
01:36:19,111 --> 01:36:20,813
correct that about 80% of voters

2257
01:36:20,813 --> 01:36:23,548
in orange county vote by mail?

2258
01:36:23,548 --> 01:36:25,885
>>speaker: yes. It's -- since

2259
01:36:25,885 --> 01:36:29,485
the county went in 2020 to the

2260
01:36:29,622 --> 01:36:32,758
voters choice act model, it is

2261
01:36:32,758 --> 01:36:34,260
typically ranged much -- most

2262
01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:36,660
elections between like 83 and

2263
01:36:37,663 --> 01:36:38,463
86% vote by mail. In '24, the

2264
01:36:38,463 --> 01:36:39,865
presidential general election,

2265
01:36:39,865 --> 01:36:42,670
it actually -- the percentage of

2266
01:36:42,670 --> 01:36:44,570
people voting in person actually

2267
01:36:44,570 --> 01:36:45,704
increased to about 22.5%. So we

2268
01:36:45,704 --> 01:36:46,705
saw a little bit of a dip, and

2269
01:36:46,705 --> 01:36:49,142
when we came back to the special

2270
01:36:49,142 --> 01:36:51,978
election, it was 89%. So it --

2271
01:36:51,978 --> 01:36:53,479
you know, it depends obviously

2272
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:54,680
what's on the ballot and what

2273
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,683
voters people comfortable doing.

2274
01:36:56,683 --> 01:36:58,500
We provide them with multiple

2275
01:36:58,500 --> 01:36:59,752
different ways to get their

2276
01:36:59,752 --> 01:37:01,887
ballot back and we want to make

2277
01:37:01,887 --> 01:37:02,880
sure they're all available to

2278
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:03,422
them.

2279
01:37:03,422 --> 01:37:04,557
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

2280
01:37:04,557 --> 01:37:05,158
you, MR. Page.

2281
01:37:05,158 --> 01:37:07,558
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

2282
01:37:08,161 --> 01:37:10,496
Glad to have this on the consent

2283
01:37:10,496 --> 01:37:13,496
calendar. All right. We do

2284
01:37:16,668 --> 01:37:18,304
have a motion. Any objection?

2285
01:37:18,304 --> 01:37:19,605
I'm seeing none. So the item is

2286
01:37:19,605 --> 01:37:22,605
approved. And thank you for

2287
01:37:22,642 --> 01:37:22,808
being among the found. Thank

2288
01:37:22,808 --> 01:37:24,808
you.

2289
01:37:25,645 --> 01:37:25,879
>>speaker: apologize for going

2290
01:37:25,879 --> 01:37:27,247
missing.

2291
01:37:27,247 --> 01:37:30,247
>>chair, doug chaffee: now we're

2292
01:37:55,542 --> 01:37:57,760
going to go on to item 18. We

2293
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:57,977
have no requests to speak on

2294
01:37:57,977 --> 01:37:58,878
agenda item 18.

2295
01:37:58,878 --> 01:38:01,346
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

2296
01:38:01,346 --> 01:38:03,746
all-district item. Moved and

2297
01:38:04,884 --> 01:38:07,284
seconded. Any objection? 18 is

2298
01:38:23,570 --> 01:38:25,970
approved. 19, please. We have

2299
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:26,606
no requests to speak on agenda

2300
01:38:26,606 --> 01:38:27,373
item 19.

2301
01:38:27,373 --> 01:38:28,842
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

2302
01:38:28,842 --> 01:38:30,477
district 3 and 4 item. We'll

2303
01:38:30,477 --> 01:38:33,345
move the item. Any objection?

2304
01:38:33,345 --> 01:38:35,745
Item is approved. Item 20,

2305
01:39:01,375 --> 01:39:03,410
please. And MR. Chair, we have

2306
01:39:03,410 --> 01:39:04,144
one request to speak on agenda

2307
01:39:04,144 --> 01:39:05,445
item 20.

2308
01:39:05,445 --> 01:39:05,679
>>chair, doug chaffee: call the

2309
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:07,679
speaker.

2310
01:39:09,148 --> 01:39:11,548
>>clerk, robin stieler: deborah

2311
01:39:12,486 --> 01:39:14,540
jonathan.

2312
01:39:14,540 --> 01:39:17,540
>>speaker: good morning. I did

2313
01:39:17,891 --> 01:39:19,459
submit a written comment for 19

2314
01:39:19,459 --> 01:39:21,427
through 22, but I wasn't going

2315
01:39:21,427 --> 01:39:22,996
to speak on every one. I did

2316
01:39:22,996 --> 01:39:25,332
want to address these contracts

2317
01:39:25,332 --> 01:39:26,233
involve large-scale expansion of

2318
01:39:26,233 --> 01:39:28,335
children and youth behavioral

2319
01:39:28,335 --> 01:39:29,435
health services through

2320
01:39:29,435 --> 01:39:30,837
third-party providers. My

2321
01:39:30,837 --> 01:39:31,704
concern that the systems are

2322
01:39:31,704 --> 01:39:33,206
being structured in a way that

2323
01:39:33,206 --> 01:39:34,207
risk bypassing

2324
01:39:34,207 --> 01:39:35,508
federally-protected rights under

2325
01:39:35,508 --> 01:39:37,508
the individuals with

2326
01:39:37,678 --> 01:39:38,544
disabilities education act and

2327
01:39:38,544 --> 01:39:40,580
the americans with disabilities

2328
01:39:40,580 --> 01:39:42,115
act. When services are shifted

2329
01:39:42,115 --> 01:39:44,115
into contracted behavioral

2330
01:39:44,618 --> 01:39:46,954
health pathways, family MAY lose

2331
01:39:46,954 --> 01:39:49,289
access to procedural safeguards

2332
01:39:49,289 --> 01:39:50,570
including transparency,

2333
01:39:50,570 --> 01:39:50,891
individualized planning and due

2334
01:39:50,891 --> 01:39:52,826
process protections that

2335
01:39:52,826 --> 01:39:54,862
guaranteed under federal law.

2336
01:39:54,862 --> 01:39:57,831
The plan also reflects, because

2337
01:39:57,831 --> 01:39:59,800
it does correlate with the bhp

2338
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:00,701
plan with the meeting for the

2339
01:40:00,701 --> 01:40:03,300
public comment tomorrow, the

2340
01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:03,503
plan also reflects a shift in

2341
01:40:03,503 --> 01:40:05,238
resources away from the

2342
01:40:05,238 --> 01:40:06,239
prevention and every support and

2343
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:07,741
towards crisis housing and

2344
01:40:07,741 --> 01:40:09,810
higher need population. As

2345
01:40:09,810 --> 01:40:10,343
these changes are implemented

2346
01:40:10,343 --> 01:40:11,912
through contract services,

2347
01:40:11,912 --> 01:40:13,213
there's a risk that individuals

2348
01:40:13,213 --> 01:40:16,683
might enter the system at a more

2349
01:40:16,683 --> 01:40:18,218
acute stage. This dynamic can

2350
01:40:18,218 --> 01:40:19,119
unintentionally increase

2351
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:20,954
reliance on residential

2352
01:40:20,954 --> 01:40:22,954
placements and court-involved

2353
01:40:23,757 --> 01:40:25,892
pathways including care court or

2354
01:40:25,892 --> 01:40:26,794
conserve forship rather than

2355
01:40:26,794 --> 01:40:28,395
supporting individuals early and

2356
01:40:28,395 --> 01:40:29,930
preventing escalation. I'm

2357
01:40:29,930 --> 01:40:33,466
asking this board to ensure that

2358
01:40:33,466 --> 01:40:35,466
all contracted providers

2359
01:40:38,906 --> 01:40:40,774
explicitly preserve idea and ada

2360
01:40:40,774 --> 01:40:43,677
protections and that no child is

2361
01:40:43,677 --> 01:40:46,770
diverted into systems that

2362
01:40:47,547 --> 01:40:48,115
reduce parental rights or bypass

2363
01:40:48,115 --> 01:40:49,830
educational safeguards. And

2364
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:50,551
that is it for me.

2365
01:40:50,551 --> 01:40:51,418
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

2366
01:40:51,418 --> 01:40:52,190
further speakers.

2367
01:40:52,190 --> 01:40:55,190
>>chair, doug chaffee: is an

2368
01:40:55,388 --> 01:40:57,624
all-district item. Any comments

2369
01:40:57,624 --> 01:40:59,260
comments? Moved and seconded.

2370
01:40:59,260 --> 01:41:01,660
Any objection? Item is

2371
01:41:16,430 --> 01:41:18,443
approved. Item 21, please. We

2372
01:41:19,180 --> 01:41:20,381
have nos have to speak on agenda

2373
01:41:20,381 --> 01:41:21,150
item 21.

2374
01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:22,816
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

2375
01:41:22,816 --> 01:41:23,750
all-district item. Moved and

2376
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:25,750
seconded. Any objection?

2377
01:41:26,454 --> 01:41:28,854
Seeing none, item 21 is

2378
01:41:45,873 --> 01:41:48,273
approved. 22, please. And we

2379
01:41:48,643 --> 01:41:49,610
received one request on agenda

2380
01:41:49,610 --> 01:41:50,678
item 22.

2381
01:41:50,678 --> 01:41:53,780
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

2382
01:41:53,781 --> 01:41:55,716
call the speaker.

2383
01:41:55,716 --> 01:41:56,317
>>clerk, robin stieler: deborah

2384
01:41:56,317 --> 01:41:57,117
donothan.

2385
01:41:57,117 --> 01:41:58,752
>>speaker: good morning, again.

2386
01:41:58,752 --> 01:42:00,488
I want to raise concerns about

2387
01:42:00,488 --> 01:42:01,822
expansion and short-term

2388
01:42:01,822 --> 01:42:03,491
residential therapeutic programs

2389
01:42:03,491 --> 01:42:05,891
and similar placements through

2390
01:42:09,363 --> 01:42:11,980
these contracts.. There's a

2391
01:42:11,980 --> 01:42:12,800
risk that families are rooted

2392
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,235
into more restrictive

2393
01:42:14,235 --> 01:42:16,635
environments without full due

2394
01:42:17,380 --> 01:42:17,671
process or access to

2395
01:42:17,671 --> 01:42:19,671
federally-protected educational

2396
01:42:19,674 --> 01:42:22,740
rights. These pathways can

2397
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:23,577
intersect with guardianship or

2398
01:42:23,577 --> 01:42:25,790
conservatorship proceedings in

2399
01:42:25,790 --> 01:42:27,281
ways that significantly impact

2400
01:42:27,281 --> 01:42:29,483
parental authority and long-term

2401
01:42:29,483 --> 01:42:31,850
family stability. Again, that

2402
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:32,720
plan also reflects the shift in

2403
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,120
resources away from prevention

2404
01:42:35,656 --> 01:42:37,792
and early support and toward

2405
01:42:37,792 --> 01:42:38,693
crisis, housing and higher-need

2406
01:42:38,693 --> 01:42:40,928
populations. As these changes

2407
01:42:40,928 --> 01:42:41,929
are implemented through

2408
01:42:41,929 --> 01:42:43,430
contracted services, there's a

2409
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:44,832
risk that individuals MAY enter

2410
01:42:44,832 --> 01:42:48,432
the system at a more acute

2411
01:42:48,503 --> 01:42:49,603
stage. This dynamic and

2412
01:42:49,603 --> 01:42:50,805
unintentionally increase on

2413
01:42:50,805 --> 01:42:52,540
reliance and residential

2414
01:42:52,540 --> 01:42:53,941
placements and court-involved

2415
01:42:53,941 --> 01:42:56,277
pathways, including care court

2416
01:42:56,277 --> 01:42:58,677
or conservatorship rather than

2417
01:43:00,140 --> 01:43:01,748
supporting individuals early and

2418
01:43:01,748 --> 01:43:02,717
preventing escalation. These

2419
01:43:02,717 --> 01:43:05,117
are vulnerable populations that

2420
01:43:05,686 --> 01:43:07,988
would not have a grasp or maybe

2421
01:43:07,988 --> 01:43:09,924
a clear understanding of the

2422
01:43:09,924 --> 01:43:11,559
aspects of what they're entering

2423
01:43:11,559 --> 01:43:13,895
into. So that is a definite

2424
01:43:13,895 --> 01:43:15,697
issue as there's no safeguards

2425
01:43:15,697 --> 01:43:17,231
in place in these matters. And

2426
01:43:17,231 --> 01:43:18,433
that's it from me. Thank you.

2427
01:43:18,433 --> 01:43:19,634
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

2428
01:43:19,634 --> 01:43:21,736
further speakers, MR. Chair.

2429
01:43:21,736 --> 01:43:24,736
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

2430
01:43:24,805 --> 01:43:26,441
all-district item.

2431
01:43:26,441 --> 01:43:27,275
>>vincente sarmiento: second

2432
01:43:27,275 --> 01:43:28,508
with comment.

2433
01:43:28,508 --> 01:43:29,310
>>chair, doug chaffee: yes.

2434
01:43:29,310 --> 01:43:30,144
Supervisor sarmiento.

2435
01:43:30,144 --> 01:43:32,280
>>vincente sarmiento: I'm hoping

2436
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,280
somebody from hca will speak

2437
01:43:35,316 --> 01:43:37,685
with MS. Donothan, the public

2438
01:43:37,685 --> 01:43:38,585
commenter. I think her comments

2439
01:43:38,585 --> 01:43:40,121
are well received. I am

2440
01:43:40,121 --> 01:43:40,988
confident that there are the

2441
01:43:40,988 --> 01:43:43,910
safeguards that we believe are

2442
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:43,892
in place but to the extent that

2443
01:43:43,892 --> 01:43:46,892
you can help identify anything

2444
01:43:47,729 --> 01:43:49,397
that you feel is not, you know,

2445
01:43:49,397 --> 01:43:51,299
in compliance or isn't as strong

2446
01:43:51,299 --> 01:43:52,567
as it should be, our staff would

2447
01:43:52,567 --> 01:43:54,435
love to know, and our office

2448
01:43:54,435 --> 01:43:55,436
will be happy to facilitate as

2449
01:43:55,436 --> 01:43:56,137
well, thank you.

2450
01:43:56,137 --> 01:43:57,605
>>chair, doug chaffee: been

2451
01:43:57,605 --> 01:43:59,174
moved and seconded. Any

2452
01:43:59,174 --> 01:44:01,574
objection. Seeing none, the

2453
01:44:02,109 --> 01:44:04,509
item is approved. Item 23,

2454
01:44:04,879 --> 01:44:05,513
please.

2455
01:44:05,513 --> 01:44:06,280
>>clerk, robin stieler: 23.

2456
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:06,981
Under health care agency,Approve

2457
01:44:06,981 --> 01:44:07,748
contract ma-042-25011555 with

2458
01:44:07,748 --> 01:44:08,616
Clean Path Recovery llc for

2459
01:44:08,616 --> 01:44:09,784
substance use disorder services,

2460
01:44:09,784 --> 01:44:11,585
7/1/26-6/30/29 ($12,600,000);

2461
01:44:11,585 --> 01:44:12,320
renewable for two additional

2462
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:13,210
one-year terms; and authorize

2463
01:44:13,210 --> 01:44:13,788
County Procurement Officer or

2464
01:44:13,788 --> 01:44:14,422
Deputized designee to exercise

2465
01:44:14,422 --> 01:44:15,900
cost contingency increase not to

2466
01:44:15,900 --> 01:44:17,900
exceed 10% under certain

2467
01:44:19,940 --> 01:44:20,161
conditions and execute contract.

2468
01:44:20,161 --> 01:44:20,662
We have no requests to speak on

2469
01:44:20,662 --> 01:44:21,563
agenda item 23.

2470
01:44:21,563 --> 01:44:24,563
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

2471
01:44:40,115 --> 01:44:43,180
district 3 item the item is

2472
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:43,585
approved. Item 24, please.

2473
01:44:43,585 --> 01:44:44,119
>>clerk, robin stieler: 24.

2474
01:44:44,119 --> 01:44:44,920
Under health care agency,

2475
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:45,754
approve amendment 4 to renew

2476
01:44:45,754 --> 01:44:46,555
contract ma-042-23011144 with

2477
01:44:46,555 --> 01:44:47,422
grandma's house of hope

2478
01:44:47,422 --> 01:44:48,290
($3,859,449; cumulative total

2479
01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:48,990
$13,858,961), amendment 2 to

2480
01:44:48,990 --> 01:44:49,824
renew contract ma-042-23010864

2481
01:44:49,824 --> 01:44:50,625
with friendship shelter, inc.

2482
01:44:50,625 --> 01:44:51,393
($1,621,993; cumulative total

2483
01:44:51,393 --> 01:44:52,160
$5,564,535), and amendment 2 to

2484
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:52,928
renew contract ma-042-23011145

2485
01:44:52,928 --> 01:44:53,827
with colette's children home,

2486
01:44:53,827 --> 01:44:54,863
inc ($715,007; cumulative total

2487
01:44:54,863 --> 01:44:55,564
$2,860,028) For homeless bridge

2488
01:44:55,564 --> 01:44:56,298
housing services, terms ending

2489
01:44:56,298 --> 01:44:57,165
6/30/27, each renewable for one

2490
01:44:57,165 --> 01:44:57,833
additional one-year term;

2491
01:44:57,833 --> 01:44:58,700
approve amendment 1 to renew

2492
01:44:58,700 --> 01:44:59,568
contract ma-042-24010840 with

2493
01:44:59,568 --> 01:45:00,435
kingdom causes, inc. Dba city

2494
01:45:00,435 --> 01:45:01,303
net for behavioral health bridge

2495
01:45:01,303 --> 01:45:02,103
housing services ($5,311,120;

2496
01:45:02,103 --> 01:45:02,905
cumulative total $13,922,103);

2497
01:45:02,905 --> 01:45:03,671
term ending 6/30/27; and

2498
01:45:03,671 --> 01:45:04,405
authorize county procurement

2499
01:45:04,405 --> 01:45:05,240
officer or deputized designee to

2500
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:05,974
execute amendments; approve

2501
01:45:05,974 --> 01:45:06,707
amendment 3 to renew memorandum

2502
01:45:06,707 --> 01:45:07,508
of understanding with city of

2503
01:45:07,508 --> 01:45:08,210
costa mesa for pass-through

2504
01:45:08,210 --> 01:45:09,100
behavioral health bridge housing

2505
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:09,711
grant funds, term ending 6/30/27

2506
01:45:09,711 --> 01:45:10,378
($1,147,021; cumulative total

2507
01:45:10,378 --> 01:45:11,112
$4,819,571); and authorize

2508
01:45:11,112 --> 01:45:13,515
health care agency director or

2509
01:45:13,515 --> 01:45:15,915
designee to execute amendment.

2510
01:45:16,510 --> 01:45:16,785
We have no requests to speak.

2511
01:45:16,785 --> 01:45:18,453
>>chair, doug chaffee: a 2, 3,

2512
01:45:18,453 --> 01:45:19,821
4, and 5 item.

2513
01:45:19,821 --> 01:45:20,689
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

2514
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:21,990
the item.

2515
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:24,326
>>chair, doug chaffee: item 24

2516
01:45:24,326 --> 01:45:27,326
is approved. Item 25 has been

2517
01:45:27,562 --> 01:45:28,163
continued. And item 26, please.

2518
01:45:28,163 --> 01:45:28,864
>>clerk, robin stieler: 26.

2519
01:45:28,864 --> 01:45:29,598
Under health care agency,

2520
01:45:29,598 --> 01:45:30,431
approve amendment 3 to renew

2521
01:45:30,431 --> 01:45:31,933
contract ma-042-22011163 with

2522
01:45:31,933 --> 01:45:33,769
ahmc anaheim regional medical

2523
01:45:33,769 --> 01:45:35,437
center for tobacco cessation

2524
01:45:35,437 --> 01:45:36,938
services for 7/1/26-6/30/27

2525
01:45:36,938 --> 01:45:37,506
($500,000; cumulative total

2526
01:45:37,506 --> 01:45:38,105
$2,500,000); and authorize

2527
01:45:38,105 --> 01:45:38,706
county procurement officer or

2528
01:45:38,706 --> 01:45:40,609
deputized designee to execute

2529
01:45:40,609 --> 01:45:42,770
amendment.

2530
01:45:42,770 --> 01:45:44,913
And we received one request to

2531
01:45:44,913 --> 01:45:45,981
speak on agenda item 26.

2532
01:45:45,981 --> 01:45:47,548
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

2533
01:45:47,548 --> 01:45:49,418
call the speaker.

2534
01:45:49,418 --> 01:45:51,818
>>clerk, robin stieler: paul

2535
01:45:56,491 --> 01:45:58,491
hayek.

2536
01:45:58,927 --> 01:46:01,327
>>speaker: one quick comment.

2537
01:46:02,931 --> 01:46:06,635
Is this the unit at beach and

2538
01:46:06,635 --> 01:46:08,737
orange in anaheim? If it is,

2539
01:46:08,737 --> 01:46:10,471
the director's running it like a

2540
01:46:10,471 --> 01:46:12,871
psych hospital with lock-down

2541
01:46:13,442 --> 01:46:16,442
when they get general patients

2542
01:46:16,545 --> 01:46:17,846
coming in. Up to two weeks, no

2543
01:46:17,846 --> 01:46:18,446
contact. I can give you the

2544
01:46:18,446 --> 01:46:21,683
name of a friend of mine that

2545
01:46:21,683 --> 01:46:24,319
was in there under that, and

2546
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:27,890
their security is not even got a

2547
01:46:27,890 --> 01:46:30,890
guard name on their uniform.

2548
01:46:32,728 --> 01:46:33,595
They're all filipinos.

2549
01:46:33,595 --> 01:46:35,297
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

2550
01:46:35,297 --> 01:46:36,598
further speakers, MR. Chair.

2551
01:46:36,598 --> 01:46:36,999
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

2552
01:46:36,999 --> 01:46:37,866
all-district item.

2553
01:46:37,866 --> 01:46:38,666
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

2554
01:46:38,666 --> 01:46:39,301
the item.

2555
01:46:39,301 --> 01:46:40,402
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

2556
01:46:40,402 --> 01:46:42,802
seconded. Any objection? Item

2557
01:46:44,906 --> 01:46:45,474
is approved. Item 27, please.

2558
01:46:45,474 --> 01:46:46,140
>>clerk, robin stieler: 27.

2559
01:46:46,140 --> 01:46:46,775
Under john wayne airport,

2560
01:46:46,775 --> 01:46:47,508
approve subordinate contract

2561
01:46:47,508 --> 01:46:48,177
ma-280-26010906 with carahsoft

2562
01:46:48,177 --> 01:46:48,877
technology corporation for

2563
01:46:48,877 --> 01:46:49,678
glidefast implementation of

2564
01:46:49,678 --> 01:46:50,646
servicenow, term ending 12/31/27

2565
01:46:50,646 --> 01:46:51,447
($332,762); authorize county

2566
01:46:51,447 --> 01:46:52,180
procurement officer or deputized

2567
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:53,150
designee to execute contract;

2568
01:46:53,150 --> 01:46:53,748
and make california

2569
01:46:53,748 --> 01:46:54,416
environmental quality act (Ceqa)

2570
01:46:54,416 --> 01:46:56,816
Exemption findings under ceqa

2571
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:00,120
guidelines section 15378.

2572
01:47:00,322 --> 01:47:02,240
And we have no requests to speak

2573
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:03,992
on agenda item 27.

2574
01:47:03,992 --> 01:47:04,793
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

2575
01:47:04,793 --> 01:47:05,426
district 5 item.

2576
01:47:05,426 --> 01:47:05,694
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

2577
01:47:05,694 --> 01:47:06,528
the item.

2578
01:47:06,528 --> 01:47:07,930
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

2579
01:47:07,930 --> 01:47:10,330
seconded. Any objection? Item

2580
01:47:10,766 --> 01:47:11,400
is approved. Item 28, please.

2581
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:12,167
>>clerk, robin stieler: 28.

2582
01:47:12,167 --> 01:47:13,468
Under john wayne airport, award

2583
01:47:13,468 --> 01:47:14,169
aggregate job order contracts

2584
01:47:14,169 --> 01:47:16,710
ma-280-26010913 to all american

2585
01:47:16,710 --> 01:47:18,710
asphalt and sully-miller

2586
01:47:18,140 --> 01:47:19,675
contracting company for pavement

2587
01:47:19,675 --> 01:47:20,708
maintenance and repair services,

2588
01:47:20,708 --> 01:47:21,343
one-year term (Aggregate total

2589
01:47:21,343 --> 01:47:21,944
$5,000,000); adopt JANUARY 2026

2590
01:47:21,944 --> 01:47:22,678
job order contract unit price

2591
01:47:22,678 --> 01:47:24,346
book-construction task catalog

2592
01:47:24,346 --> 01:47:26,346
and technical specifications;

2593
01:47:28,984 --> 01:47:30,252
and authorize county procurement

2594
01:47:30,252 --> 01:47:33,252
officer or deputized designee to

2595
01:47:34,230 --> 01:47:36,230
execute contracts.

2596
01:47:36,991 --> 01:47:37,926
We have no requests to speak on

2597
01:47:37,926 --> 01:47:38,794
agenda item 28.

2598
01:47:38,794 --> 01:47:40,262
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

2599
01:47:40,262 --> 01:47:40,496
district 5 item. Supervisor

2600
01:47:40,496 --> 01:47:41,630
nguyen.

2601
01:47:41,630 --> 01:47:43,199
>>janet nguyen: thank you,

2602
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:46,340
MR. Chair. I just have a few

2603
01:47:46,340 --> 01:47:47,169
questions. I know that this

2604
01:47:47,169 --> 01:47:49,338
exceeds -- this is a $5 million

2605
01:47:49,338 --> 01:47:51,674
contract which exceeds the $3

2606
01:47:51,674 --> 01:47:53,409
million threshold, and so on

2607
01:47:53,409 --> 01:47:55,310
page 2, the staff states that

2608
01:47:55,310 --> 01:47:58,310
the estimated need for the

2609
01:47:58,580 --> 01:48:01,580
payment program is 3.6. So that

2610
01:48:01,717 --> 01:48:04,117
leaves 1.4 in emergency repairs.

2611
01:48:04,553 --> 01:48:08,390
Is that normal for how much we

2612
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:09,225
set aside for -- in case of

2613
01:48:09,225 --> 01:48:11,527
emergency? I just want to make

2614
01:48:11,527 --> 01:48:14,597
sure that we have more detail

2615
01:48:14,597 --> 01:48:15,398
than just blanketed.

2616
01:48:15,398 --> 01:48:16,899
>>speaker: good morning.

2617
01:48:16,899 --> 01:48:18,899
Charlene reynolds, airport

2618
01:48:20,836 --> 01:48:22,338
director for john wayne. To

2619
01:48:22,338 --> 01:48:24,338
supervisor nguyen's question,

2620
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:28,410
yes, currently we have several

2621
01:48:28,410 --> 01:48:30,410
large-scale construction

2622
01:48:32,248 --> 01:48:34,648
projects at the airport,

2623
01:48:35,318 --> 01:48:38,318
specifically taxiway ad and e.

2624
01:48:39,354 --> 01:48:41,257
We have a lot of large, heavy

2625
01:48:41,257 --> 01:48:42,991
equipment, constructing at night

2626
01:48:42,991 --> 01:48:45,391
and sometimes accidents happen.

2627
01:48:46,929 --> 01:48:50,466
And so that contingency, we have

2628
01:48:50,466 --> 01:48:52,866
to immediately repair any

2629
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:54,503
taxiway work that we have so

2630
01:48:54,503 --> 01:48:56,839
that we can keep the operations

2631
01:48:56,839 --> 01:49:01,390
going on a daily basis. So we

2632
01:49:01,444 --> 01:49:03,679
MAY not exspend but we have to

2633
01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:06,679
have those funds available to

2634
01:49:07,349 --> 01:49:07,850
immediately respond to any

2635
01:49:07,850 --> 01:49:09,185
repairs necessary.

2636
01:49:09,185 --> 01:49:10,520
>>janet nguyen: what's

2637
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,210
considered an accident?

2638
01:49:12,210 --> 01:49:14,223
>>speaker: well, it could be the

2639
01:49:14,223 --> 01:49:16,223
heavy equipment dropping

2640
01:49:17,660 --> 01:49:20,363
equipment and/or use of those

2641
01:49:20,363 --> 01:49:23,363
vehicles, putting divots in the

2642
01:49:25,168 --> 01:49:25,835
taxiway. It can be a number of

2643
01:49:25,835 --> 01:49:27,637
anomalies. However, safety is

2644
01:49:27,637 --> 01:49:31,237
our number one factor at the

2645
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:32,942
airport, and so we have to

2646
01:49:32,942 --> 01:49:35,342
immediately repair. We can't

2647
01:49:35,878 --> 01:49:37,579
wait for, say, if it was caused

2648
01:49:37,579 --> 01:49:38,982
by someone else, to file an

2649
01:49:38,982 --> 01:49:42,582
insurance claim to have them pay

2650
01:49:42,785 --> 01:49:43,586
for it. We must repair

2651
01:49:43,586 --> 01:49:45,880
ourselves, utilize the

2652
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:47,423
contracts, and then we will

2653
01:49:47,423 --> 01:49:48,691
actually go after the contractor

2654
01:49:48,691 --> 01:49:50,691
for their mistake.

2655
01:49:52,128 --> 01:49:54,931
>>janet nguyen: okay. So we are

2656
01:49:54,931 --> 01:49:57,433
hoping then in the end to get

2657
01:49:57,433 --> 01:49:59,433
reimbursed back for?

2658
01:49:59,536 --> 01:50:00,103
>>speaker: in those cases, yes.

2659
01:50:00,103 --> 01:50:02,503
>>janet nguyen: thank you.

2660
01:50:02,505 --> 01:50:04,841
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

2661
01:50:04,841 --> 01:50:06,676
the item.

2662
01:50:06,676 --> 01:50:07,377
>>janet nguyen: second.

2663
01:50:07,377 --> 01:50:09,678
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

2664
01:50:09,678 --> 01:50:10,647
objection? Seeing none, item is

2665
01:50:10,647 --> 01:50:11,447
approved. Item 29, please.

2666
01:50:11,447 --> 01:50:12,548
>>clerk, robin stieler: 29.

2667
01:50:12,548 --> 01:50:13,549
Under john wayne airport,

2668
01:50:13,549 --> 01:50:14,217
approve subordinate contract

2669
01:50:14,217 --> 01:50:14,950
ma-280-26011052 with dlt

2670
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:15,752
solutions llc for pmis platform

2671
01:50:15,752 --> 01:50:16,319
with oracle software and

2672
01:50:16,319 --> 01:50:17,530
support, three-year term

2673
01:50:17,530 --> 01:50:17,854
($811,518); renewable for one

2674
01:50:17,854 --> 01:50:18,555
additional two-year term;

2675
01:50:18,555 --> 01:50:19,322
authorize county procurement

2676
01:50:19,322 --> 01:50:19,890
officer or deputized designee to

2677
01:50:19,890 --> 01:50:20,724
execute contract; and make

2678
01:50:20,724 --> 01:50:21,724
california environmental quality

2679
01:50:21,724 --> 01:50:22,525
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings

2680
01:50:22,525 --> 01:50:24,925
under ceqa guidelines section

2681
01:50:25,161 --> 01:50:26,628
15378.

2682
01:50:26,628 --> 01:50:27,430
We have no requests to speak on

2683
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:29,310
agenda item 29.

2684
01:50:29,310 --> 01:50:30,400
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

2685
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:31,334
district 5 item.

2686
01:50:31,334 --> 01:50:32,100
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

2687
01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:32,836
the item.

2688
01:50:32,836 --> 01:50:34,938
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

2689
01:50:34,938 --> 01:50:36,439
second. Any objections? Seeing

2690
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:38,307
none, item 29 is approved. Item

2691
01:50:38,307 --> 01:50:39,750
30, please.

2692
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:39,809
>>clerk, robin stieler: 30.

2693
01:50:39,809 --> 01:50:40,510
Under john wayne airport,

2694
01:50:40,510 --> 01:50:41,210
acting as the board of

2695
01:50:41,210 --> 01:50:41,878
supervisors and orange county

2696
01:50:41,878 --> 01:50:42,645
flood control district-approve

2697
01:50:42,645 --> 01:50:43,847
aggregate contracts

2698
01:50:43,847 --> 01:50:44,514
ma-080-26010424 with j. Orozco

2699
01:50:44,514 --> 01:50:45,882
enterprises inc. Dba orozco

2700
01:50:45,882 --> 01:50:47,950
landscape and tree company,

2701
01:50:47,950 --> 01:50:48,951
landscape west management

2702
01:50:48,951 --> 01:50:49,719
services, inc. And natures

2703
01:50:49,719 --> 01:50:50,352
image, inc. For channel cleaning

2704
01:50:50,352 --> 01:50:51,654
services, 6/10/26-6/9/29

2705
01:50:51,654 --> 01:50:52,255
(Aggregate total $4,500,000);

2706
01:50:52,255 --> 01:50:52,889
authorize county procurement

2707
01:50:52,889 --> 01:50:53,490
officer or deputized designee to

2708
01:50:53,490 --> 01:50:55,125
execute contracts; and make

2709
01:50:55,125 --> 01:50:56,492
california environmental quality

2710
01:50:56,492 --> 01:50:57,627
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings

2711
01:50:57,627 --> 01:51:00,270
under ceqa guidelines section

2712
01:51:01,665 --> 01:51:03,665
15301.

2713
01:51:03,934 --> 01:51:04,300
We have no requests to speak on

2714
01:51:04,300 --> 01:51:05,100
agenda item 30.

2715
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:06,303
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's arch

2716
01:51:06,303 --> 01:51:08,738
all-district item, and it is a

2717
01:51:08,738 --> 01:51:11,907
part of our orange county flood

2718
01:51:11,907 --> 01:51:13,810
control district item.

2719
01:51:13,810 --> 01:51:15,711
Supervisor wagner.

2720
01:51:15,711 --> 01:51:19,311
>>don wagner: real quick, do we

2721
01:51:22,619 --> 01:51:25,619
have public works here? Good,

2722
01:51:26,388 --> 01:51:29,388
MR. Rosa. Thank you. My

2723
01:51:29,493 --> 01:51:31,161
question is not necessarily with

2724
01:51:31,161 --> 01:51:33,229
this item. It's gonna kind of

2725
01:51:33,229 --> 01:51:35,631
glance off this item and go

2726
01:51:35,631 --> 01:51:38,310
elsewhere. But raises a

2727
01:51:39,902 --> 01:51:41,838
question. As I read staff

2728
01:51:41,838 --> 01:51:45,438
report, the -- we're asking for,

2729
01:51:45,675 --> 01:51:48,612
not to exceed 4.5 million over a

2730
01:51:48,612 --> 01:51:51,140
three-year term, and it is to

2731
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:54,140
keep the flood control channels

2732
01:51:56,786 --> 01:51:57,888
free of debris, vegetation roads

2733
01:51:57,888 --> 01:51:59,422
clear, et cetera. I got that

2734
01:51:59,422 --> 01:52:01,422
right so far?

2735
01:52:01,558 --> 01:52:03,160
>>speaker: yes. That's correct

2736
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,562
expwagz a large portion -- the

2737
01:52:05,562 --> 01:52:06,496
main factor indeed it seems from

2738
01:52:06,496 --> 01:52:08,532
the staff report for requesting

2739
01:52:08,532 --> 01:52:10,867
the increase in the not to

2740
01:52:10,867 --> 01:52:12,970
exceed amount stems from tighter

2741
01:52:12,970 --> 01:52:14,571
restrictions on vegetation

2742
01:52:14,571 --> 01:52:15,339
spraying, correct?

2743
01:52:15,339 --> 01:52:16,707
>>speaker: correct.

2744
01:52:16,707 --> 01:52:18,542
>>don wagner: environmental

2745
01:52:18,542 --> 01:52:20,942
concerns. All right. Now,

2746
01:52:22,450 --> 01:52:24,445
that's increasing our costs.

2747
01:52:27,170 --> 01:52:28,719
You guys are doing a pilot

2748
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:31,119
project that voluntarily we've

2749
01:52:31,722 --> 01:52:32,523
stopped spraying. When we're in

2750
01:52:32,523 --> 01:52:34,457
compliance with the

2751
01:52:34,457 --> 01:52:36,193
environmental regulations and

2752
01:52:36,193 --> 01:52:38,593
new regulations haven't required

2753
01:52:39,363 --> 01:52:41,465
us to stop, we're doing a pilot

2754
01:52:41,465 --> 01:52:43,200
project, isn't this the pilot

2755
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:44,601
project? Doesn't this show us

2756
01:52:44,601 --> 01:52:46,837
what's going to happen? We're

2757
01:52:46,837 --> 01:52:49,173
going to have increased labor

2758
01:52:49,173 --> 01:52:50,741
costs. We're going to have more

2759
01:52:50,741 --> 01:52:52,276
vegetation that we're going to

2760
01:52:52,276 --> 01:52:54,611
need to pull out by hand. We're

2761
01:52:54,611 --> 01:52:57,611
going to fall behind. Isn't

2762
01:52:58,482 --> 01:52:59,683
this -- doesn't this answer the

2763
01:52:59,683 --> 01:53:01,683
pilot project question?

2764
01:53:04,388 --> 01:53:06,156
>>speaker: so good morning. I'm

2765
01:53:06,156 --> 01:53:07,900
edward with oc public works.

2766
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:09,250
These contracts specifically,

2767
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:10,694
they are separate from the ones

2768
01:53:10,694 --> 01:53:13,630
that we typically use for the

2769
01:53:13,630 --> 01:53:15,432
major vegetation removals in the

2770
01:53:15,432 --> 01:53:17,534
channels. For these contracts

2771
01:53:17,534 --> 01:53:19,937
that are coming before you

2772
01:53:19,937 --> 01:53:21,905
today, these are more for

2773
01:53:21,905 --> 01:53:24,305
general channel cleaning. And

2774
01:53:25,776 --> 01:53:28,545
they do include some incidental

2775
01:53:28,545 --> 01:53:30,945
vegetation removals. So however

2776
01:53:34,485 --> 01:53:36,487
to your point, the manual re-do

2777
01:53:36,487 --> 01:53:37,621
in general cost more than other

2778
01:53:37,621 --> 01:53:39,857
alternatives -- the manual

2779
01:53:39,857 --> 01:53:41,392
removal do in general cost more

2780
01:53:41,392 --> 01:53:42,693
than other alternatives.

2781
01:53:42,693 --> 01:53:43,793
>>don wagner: yeah, I'm not sure

2782
01:53:43,793 --> 01:53:45,228
that it's necessarily

2783
01:53:45,228 --> 01:53:47,430
incidental, but the point --

2784
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:50,568
okay. So why -- what's the

2785
01:53:50,568 --> 01:53:52,680
point of our pilot project if we

2786
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:54,938
know about the necessity of

2787
01:53:54,938 --> 01:53:57,338
increased costs, and quite

2788
01:53:57,842 --> 01:53:59,777
frankly that we still fall

2789
01:53:59,777 --> 01:54:01,777
behind?

2790
01:54:01,779 --> 01:54:03,614
>>speaker: so the pilot project

2791
01:54:03,614 --> 01:54:07,150
is going to take a look at it on

2792
01:54:07,150 --> 01:54:08,319
a larger scale, on a full

2793
01:54:08,319 --> 01:54:09,920
channel, and again, those are

2794
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,221
separate cats that we use for --

2795
01:54:11,221 --> 01:54:12,789
>>don wagner: I understand the

2796
01:54:12,789 --> 01:54:13,657
contracts are different. I'm

2797
01:54:13,657 --> 01:54:16,657
not argue the contracts. I'm

2798
01:54:19,497 --> 01:54:21,198
arguing the growing weeds.

2799
01:54:21,198 --> 01:54:22,832
>>speaker: it will gives some

2800
01:54:22,832 --> 01:54:25,832
real-time data based on an

2801
01:54:27,171 --> 01:54:28,706
actual channel does have issues

2802
01:54:28,706 --> 01:54:29,707
with vegetation management,

2803
01:54:29,707 --> 01:54:32,107
invasive species, et cetera.

2804
01:54:32,643 --> 01:54:33,577
>>don wagner: why does this

2805
01:54:33,577 --> 01:54:34,845
current project and the current

2806
01:54:34,845 --> 01:54:37,481
problem we're trying to solve

2807
01:54:37,481 --> 01:54:38,816
with item 30 not give you that

2808
01:54:38,816 --> 01:54:39,784
real-time data?

2809
01:54:39,784 --> 01:54:41,452
>>speaker: well, with item 30,

2810
01:54:41,452 --> 01:54:45,520
the majority of the contracts we

2811
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:48,250
do use it for kind of general

2812
01:54:48,250 --> 01:54:51,250
channel cleaning as opposed to

2813
01:54:51,862 --> 01:54:52,129
general channel clearance

2814
01:54:52,129 --> 01:54:52,830
versus --

2815
01:54:52,830 --> 01:54:54,980
>>don wagner: you are missing

2816
01:54:54,980 --> 01:54:55,310
the point of the question.

2817
01:54:55,310 --> 01:54:55,832
>>speaker: I apologize.

2818
01:54:55,832 --> 01:54:57,835
>>don wagner: you're right.

2819
01:54:57,835 --> 01:55:01,435
We're doing a lot of other

2820
01:55:05,409 --> 01:55:07,111
things. But on the idea of

2821
01:55:07,111 --> 01:55:08,813
pulling weeds, the expense of

2822
01:55:08,813 --> 01:55:11,182
pulling weeds, the growth of

2823
01:55:11,182 --> 01:55:12,617
weeds, that is an apples to

2824
01:55:12,617 --> 01:55:14,151
apples comparison to what we're

2825
01:55:14,151 --> 01:55:16,453
trying to do with this pilot

2826
01:55:16,453 --> 01:55:19,390
project. Why do you need a

2827
01:55:19,390 --> 01:55:21,920
pilot project if over here in

2828
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,594
item 30 you've got all this

2829
01:55:23,594 --> 01:55:25,763
stuff going on and the weed cone

2830
01:55:25,763 --> 01:55:28,320
sent in focus on weeds with me.

2831
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,320
How come that hasn't answered

2832
01:55:32,537 --> 01:55:34,937
the bigger weed question?

2833
01:55:35,373 --> 01:55:35,606
>>speaker: in a way, it does.

2834
01:55:35,606 --> 01:55:37,308
It does.

2835
01:55:37,308 --> 01:55:37,674
>>don wagner: and what is the

2836
01:55:37,674 --> 01:55:38,343
answer.

2837
01:55:38,343 --> 01:55:40,110
>>speaker: it is more expensive.

2838
01:55:40,110 --> 01:55:41,212
>>don wagner: so why are we

2839
01:55:41,212 --> 01:55:44,782
doing a pilot project if we know

2840
01:55:44,782 --> 01:55:46,782
the answer?

2841
01:55:47,150 --> 01:55:49,520
>>speaker: I believe that we do

2842
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,550
expect costs to be higher, but

2843
01:55:51,550 --> 01:55:54,550
we're also looking at whether

2844
01:55:54,791 --> 01:55:56,793
it's even feasible from a

2845
01:55:56,793 --> 01:55:58,796
regulatory standpoint, from the

2846
01:55:58,796 --> 01:55:59,664
standpoint of manage invasive

2847
01:55:59,664 --> 01:56:01,532
species. There's other

2848
01:56:01,532 --> 01:56:01,933
information that we'd like to

2849
01:56:01,933 --> 01:56:03,233
determine as well.

2850
01:56:03,233 --> 01:56:03,968
>>don wagner: I'll move the

2851
01:56:03,968 --> 01:56:04,669
item.

2852
01:56:04,669 --> 01:56:05,403
>>speaker: thank you.

2853
01:56:05,403 --> 01:56:07,271
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

2854
01:56:07,271 --> 01:56:08,339
second but I have a question.

2855
01:56:08,339 --> 01:56:08,640
>>chair, doug chaffee:

2856
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:09,273
vice-chair.

2857
01:56:09,273 --> 01:56:09,941
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

2858
01:56:09,941 --> 01:56:12,977
you. Just for clarity, so this

2859
01:56:12,977 --> 01:56:13,978
item is not related to the pilot

2860
01:56:13,978 --> 01:56:14,412
project, correct?

2861
01:56:14,412 --> 01:56:15,312
>>speaker: correct.

2862
01:56:15,312 --> 01:56:17,114
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

2863
01:56:17,114 --> 01:56:19,500
And this item, it covers a lot

2864
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:20,218
of things like supervisor

2865
01:56:20,218 --> 01:56:21,586
sarmiento and I are working on

2866
01:56:21,586 --> 01:56:24,556
clearing the channels of all of

2867
01:56:24,556 --> 01:56:27,556
the debris from encampments and

2868
01:56:27,625 --> 01:56:30,561
making sure that we don't have

2869
01:56:30,561 --> 01:56:33,798
trash and other materials in the

2870
01:56:33,798 --> 01:56:35,232
channels. This contract covers

2871
01:56:35,232 --> 01:56:36,300
that, correct?

2872
01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:36,935
>>speaker: yes, that's correct.

2873
01:56:36,935 --> 01:56:39,270
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

2874
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:40,671
this contract is not related to

2875
01:56:40,671 --> 01:56:42,407
herbicide sprays, either.

2876
01:56:42,407 --> 01:56:43,842
That's a separate contract all

2877
01:56:43,842 --> 01:56:44,209
together, correct?

2878
01:56:44,209 --> 01:56:44,776
>>speaker: yes.

2879
01:56:44,776 --> 01:56:46,243
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

2880
01:56:46,243 --> 01:56:47,110
because I noticed in this

2881
01:56:47,110 --> 01:56:49,180
contract it did not -- it was

2882
01:56:49,180 --> 01:56:50,148
silent as to that topic. So I

2883
01:56:50,148 --> 01:56:53,748
wanted to make sure that the

2884
01:56:53,918 --> 01:56:56,153
community knows that as we work

2885
01:56:56,153 --> 01:56:58,990
on understanding what are the

2886
01:56:58,990 --> 01:57:00,725
regulatory allowances,

2887
01:57:00,725 --> 01:57:02,493
prohibitions, and opportunities

2888
01:57:02,493 --> 01:57:06,693
that in the interim, at least as

2889
01:57:11,436 --> 01:57:12,937
it relates to the san juan and

2890
01:57:12,937 --> 01:57:15,307
jabuco creek channels, we're not

2891
01:57:15,307 --> 01:57:15,540
going to be spraying herbicides,

2892
01:57:15,540 --> 01:57:16,674
correct.

2893
01:57:16,674 --> 01:57:18,674
>>speaker: yes.

2894
01:57:19,110 --> 01:57:21,379
>>speaker: and as far as the

2895
01:57:21,379 --> 01:57:22,213
pilot project goes, the goal is

2896
01:57:22,213 --> 01:57:24,382
to understand what we can do,

2897
01:57:24,382 --> 01:57:27,382
what are the opportunities, how

2898
01:57:30,210 --> 01:57:33,210
can we reduce toxic chemicals

2899
01:57:38,263 --> 01:57:40,665
from? How can we better manage

2900
01:57:40,665 --> 01:57:42,134
our contractors and make sure

2901
01:57:42,134 --> 01:57:45,134
that they're complying with the

2902
01:57:52,777 --> 01:57:53,845
law when they do have a contract

2903
01:57:53,845 --> 01:57:54,613
for spraying? We've seen some

2904
01:57:54,613 --> 01:57:57,249
of them are not being very

2905
01:57:57,249 --> 01:57:58,950
careful and we want to make sure

2906
01:57:58,950 --> 01:57:59,317
we avoid this as well, correct?

2907
01:57:59,317 --> 01:57:59,918
>>speaker: yes.

2908
01:57:59,918 --> 01:58:00,685
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

2909
01:58:00,685 --> 01:58:02,921
then we have the study that

2910
01:58:02,921 --> 01:58:05,924
public works was working on that

2911
01:58:05,924 --> 01:58:07,259
was preceding any of these

2912
01:58:07,259 --> 01:58:09,610
conversation, about the

2913
01:58:09,610 --> 01:58:10,495
channels. They already had been

2914
01:58:10,495 --> 01:58:12,197
working on the study since 2020,

2915
01:58:12,197 --> 01:58:13,799
and we're hoping that will give

2916
01:58:13,799 --> 01:58:17,399
some guidance as to what the

2917
01:58:21,306 --> 01:58:22,975
future channels might look like

2918
01:58:22,975 --> 01:58:25,760
as it relates to protecting

2919
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:25,811
habitat like the trout, right?

2920
01:58:25,811 --> 01:58:26,411
>>speaker: correct.

2921
01:58:26,411 --> 01:58:26,845
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: all

2922
01:58:26,845 --> 01:58:28,112
right. Thank you.

2923
01:58:28,112 --> 01:58:29,470
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have a

2924
01:58:29,470 --> 01:58:31,447
motion, any objection? Seeing

2925
01:58:31,817 --> 01:58:34,817
none, the item is approved.

2926
01:58:48,133 --> 01:58:48,767
Thank you. Item 31. We have no

2927
01:58:48,767 --> 01:58:50,502
requests to speak.

2928
01:58:50,502 --> 01:58:50,902
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

2929
01:58:50,902 --> 01:58:51,703
all-district item.

2930
01:58:51,703 --> 01:58:54,103
>>vincente sarmiento: move the

2931
01:58:54,339 --> 01:58:57,242
item. And quickly I wanted to

2932
01:58:57,242 --> 01:58:58,100
thank the board for its support.

2933
01:58:58,100 --> 01:58:58,977
Hopefully everybody is going to

2934
01:58:58,977 --> 01:59:02,577
be supportive of this item. I

2935
01:59:03,482 --> 01:59:05,918
just wanted to give a shout-out

2936
01:59:05,918 --> 01:59:07,520
to not alvarado and neutral

2937
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:08,720
ground who will be a

2938
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,120
subcontractor on this contract

2939
01:59:11,323 --> 01:59:13,625
and who will serve as a primary

2940
01:59:13,625 --> 01:59:15,270
provider for gang-impacted youth

2941
01:59:15,270 --> 01:59:15,761
and will provide case management

2942
01:59:15,761 --> 01:59:18,664
for those youth who have a

2943
01:59:18,664 --> 01:59:20,265
difficult time with being

2944
01:59:20,265 --> 01:59:23,865
contacted. They are a hard to

2945
01:59:24,303 --> 01:59:26,572
reach population. They will

2946
01:59:26,572 --> 01:59:28,400
conduct intentional outreach and

2947
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,440
engagement efforts for referred

2948
01:59:30,809 --> 01:59:32,511
youth. Waymakers is also a

2949
01:59:32,511 --> 01:59:35,511
subcontractor on this to provide

2950
01:59:36,348 --> 01:59:37,150
clinical therapy mental health

2951
01:59:37,150 --> 01:59:38,584
education and career and

2952
01:59:38,584 --> 01:59:40,185
educational support in case

2953
01:59:40,185 --> 01:59:41,720
management. So we want to thank

2954
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:43,422
them for all of the support that

2955
01:59:43,422 --> 01:59:44,957
they're going to be providing at

2956
01:59:44,957 --> 01:59:45,290
the boys and girls club in

2957
01:59:45,290 --> 01:59:46,258
garden grove.

2958
01:59:46,258 --> 01:59:48,494
>>chair, doug chaffee: been

2959
01:59:48,494 --> 01:59:52,940
moved and seconded. The item is

2960
02:00:10,490 --> 02:00:12,318
approved. Item 32, please. We

2961
02:00:12,318 --> 02:00:12,685
have no requests to speak on

2962
02:00:12,685 --> 02:00:13,819
agenda item 32.

2963
02:00:13,819 --> 02:00:16,819
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

2964
02:00:18,724 --> 02:00:19,525
district 3 item. Moved and

2965
02:00:19,525 --> 02:00:21,525
seconded. Any objection?

2966
02:00:21,660 --> 02:00:24,660
Seeing none, item is approved.

2967
02:00:39,178 --> 02:00:42,178
Item 33, please. We have no

2968
02:00:43,182 --> 02:00:43,349
requests to speak on agenda item

2969
02:00:43,349 --> 02:00:43,983
33.

2970
02:00:43,983 --> 02:00:46,118
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

2971
02:00:46,118 --> 02:00:47,530
all-district item. Been moved

2972
02:00:47,530 --> 02:00:49,453
and seconded. No objection.

2973
02:00:50,589 --> 02:00:53,589
Item is approved. Item 34 has

2974
02:00:54,427 --> 02:00:56,427
been continued. Item 35,

2975
02:01:10,142 --> 02:01:12,244
please. And MR. Chair, we have

2976
02:01:12,244 --> 02:01:14,130
received six requests to speak

2977
02:01:14,130 --> 02:01:14,713
on agenda item 35.

2978
02:01:14,713 --> 02:01:15,313
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

2979
02:01:15,313 --> 02:01:16,820
you came the speakers.

2980
02:01:16,820 --> 02:01:17,516
>>clerk, robin stieler: I will

2981
02:01:17,516 --> 02:01:18,651
call three names at a time.

2982
02:01:18,651 --> 02:01:20,552
Please line up behind the podium

2983
02:01:20,552 --> 02:01:23,755
in the center of the room when

2984
02:01:23,755 --> 02:01:26,755
your name is called. Yesenia,

2985
02:01:27,326 --> 02:01:29,726
jennifer wang, and melinda

2986
02:01:39,871 --> 02:01:40,707
woolen. Yesenia.

2987
02:01:40,707 --> 02:01:42,241
>>speaker: good morning to the

2988
02:01:42,241 --> 02:01:43,809
members of the board. As you

2989
02:01:43,809 --> 02:01:45,809
discuss administration of

2990
02:01:47,346 --> 02:01:49,782
in-home support -- my name is

2991
02:01:49,782 --> 02:01:50,650
yesenia. As you discuss

2992
02:01:50,650 --> 02:01:51,450
administration of home support

2993
02:01:51,450 --> 02:01:53,686
services, it is necessary to

2994
02:01:53,686 --> 02:01:55,321
look at the delivery of services

2995
02:01:55,321 --> 02:01:56,755
as well. Assuming that the

2996
02:01:56,755 --> 02:01:58,891
needs will be less or the same

2997
02:01:58,891 --> 02:02:00,626
for the next three years is not

2998
02:02:00,626 --> 02:02:02,228
being realistic. We are calling

2999
02:02:02,228 --> 02:02:05,131
on the leaders of this county to

3000
02:02:05,131 --> 02:02:06,231
invest in care in a way that

3001
02:02:06,231 --> 02:02:08,800
makes fiscal sense. Thanks to

3002
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:11,504
the leadership of this board and

3003
02:02:11,504 --> 02:02:12,739
investments made in the past,

3004
02:02:12,739 --> 02:02:13,472
orange county has the strong

3005
02:02:13,472 --> 02:02:15,174
in-home support service program

3006
02:02:15,174 --> 02:02:18,211
that it has now. The great work

3007
02:02:18,211 --> 02:02:19,846
of the in-home support service

3008
02:02:19,846 --> 02:02:21,347
public authority and the service

3009
02:02:21,347 --> 02:02:22,949
that delivers needs to be

3010
02:02:22,949 --> 02:02:25,184
guaranteed to all who need in

3011
02:02:25,184 --> 02:02:26,619
oc. For that, the public

3012
02:02:26,619 --> 02:02:28,210
authority must take advantage of

3013
02:02:28,210 --> 02:02:29,522
the opportunity to be able to

3014
02:02:29,522 --> 02:02:32,522
increase the wanes and benefits

3015
02:02:32,558 --> 02:02:33,590
of care providers, hence

3016
02:02:33,590 --> 02:02:35,590
addressing the caregiver

3017
02:02:35,929 --> 02:02:37,530
shortage and increased need for

3018
02:02:37,530 --> 02:02:38,498
care. Therefore, the county

3019
02:02:38,498 --> 02:02:40,300
budget needs to increase funds

3020
02:02:40,300 --> 02:02:42,201
to the public authority in a way

3021
02:02:42,201 --> 02:02:44,404
that allows for an increase in

3022
02:02:44,404 --> 02:02:46,740
services. As of JULY 1st of

3023
02:02:46,740 --> 02:02:48,641
this year, the state of

3024
02:02:48,641 --> 02:02:51,410
california is committed to

3025
02:02:51,277 --> 02:02:54,277
participate in this program up

3026
02:02:56,349 --> 02:02:58,217
to $20 million in state funding

3027
02:02:58,217 --> 02:02:59,551
if the ihs wages are increased

3028
02:02:59,551 --> 02:03:00,987
in the next three years. In

3029
02:03:00,987 --> 02:03:02,822
addition, a 17% investment in

3030
02:03:02,822 --> 02:03:04,791
this program by this county

3031
02:03:04,791 --> 02:03:05,525
would bring another $30 million

3032
02:03:05,525 --> 02:03:09,125
in federal funding. That is the

3033
02:03:09,495 --> 02:03:12,495
total of $50 million in matching

3034
02:03:12,532 --> 02:03:13,933
funds, an investment of just 17

3035
02:03:13,933 --> 02:03:15,602
cents to the dollar. We urge

3036
02:03:15,602 --> 02:03:16,903
you to take advantage of the 10%

3037
02:03:16,903 --> 02:03:18,905
option for state participation

3038
02:03:18,905 --> 02:03:21,905
available to orange county from

3039
02:03:23,443 --> 02:03:25,612
JULY 1st this year to 200029.

3040
02:03:25,612 --> 02:03:27,180
We would be happy to discuss the

3041
02:03:27,180 --> 02:03:28,810
funding option with the board as

3042
02:03:28,810 --> 02:03:29,416
you make decisions on the

3043
02:03:29,416 --> 02:03:30,950
delivery of in-home support

3044
02:03:30,950 --> 02:03:33,253
services. In order to deliver

3045
02:03:33,253 --> 02:03:36,253
the services, you must discuss

3046
02:03:37,900 --> 02:03:37,991
the payment of ihs hours as

3047
02:03:37,991 --> 02:03:40,391
well, not just the

3048
02:03:42,362 --> 02:03:43,964
administration of it. Not only

3049
02:03:43,964 --> 02:03:44,931
leaving thousands of

3050
02:03:44,931 --> 02:03:46,500
constituented behind but it

3051
02:03:46,500 --> 02:03:48,702
would be leaving money here on

3052
02:03:48,702 --> 02:03:50,236
the that I believe could spent

3053
02:03:50,236 --> 02:03:53,236
here in orange county. Thank

3054
02:03:53,373 --> 02:03:54,140
you for your time.

3055
02:03:54,140 --> 02:03:55,800
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

3056
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:57,100
know my office has a meeting

3057
02:03:57,100 --> 02:04:00,610
with you, I think it's tomorrow.

3058
02:04:00,881 --> 02:04:02,382
But this item is only as the

3059
02:04:02,382 --> 02:04:04,782
agreement, the memorandum of

3060
02:04:05,418 --> 02:04:07,353
understanding to create the

3061
02:04:07,353 --> 02:04:08,889
in-home healthcare's worker

3062
02:04:08,889 --> 02:04:11,124
registry so we're not voting on

3063
02:04:11,124 --> 02:04:13,930
the wages at this time, just to

3064
02:04:13,930 --> 02:04:13,560
make sure everyone understands

3065
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:14,828
what we're voting on.

3066
02:04:14,828 --> 02:04:16,229
>>speaker: yes. Thank you,

3067
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:17,230
ma'am. We understand it's about

3068
02:04:17,230 --> 02:04:18,732
the administration, and we look

3069
02:04:18,732 --> 02:04:20,333
forward having a conversation

3070
02:04:20,333 --> 02:04:21,100
about the delivery of services.

3071
02:04:21,100 --> 02:04:22,602
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

3072
02:04:22,602 --> 02:04:23,836
you so much. Next speaker,

3073
02:04:23,836 --> 02:04:25,836
please.

3074
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:27,874
[Applause]

3075
02:04:27,874 --> 02:04:29,442
>>speaker: good morning.

3076
02:04:29,442 --> 02:04:30,844
CHAIRMAN Chaffee and members of

3077
02:04:30,844 --> 02:04:33,130
the board, my name is jennifer

3078
02:04:33,130 --> 02:04:36,249
wang, and I serve as the

3079
02:04:36,249 --> 02:04:38,485
executive director of ascsc, an

3080
02:04:38,485 --> 02:04:38,951
intergenerational and

3081
02:04:38,951 --> 02:04:39,486
cross-cultural service

3082
02:04:39,486 --> 02:04:40,988
organization grounded in a

3083
02:04:40,988 --> 02:04:42,856
simple, yet powerful philosophy,

3084
02:04:42,856 --> 02:04:45,559
to care for elders and children

3085
02:04:45,559 --> 02:04:46,960
as if they were our own. Every

3086
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:48,610
day we work with seniors, people

3087
02:04:48,610 --> 02:04:49,429
with disabilities, caregivers

3088
02:04:49,429 --> 02:04:51,732
and families across orange

3089
02:04:51,732 --> 02:04:53,333
county. And what we see is

3090
02:04:53,333 --> 02:04:56,333
clear. Home care providers make

3091
02:04:56,904 --> 02:04:58,538
it possible for people to live

3092
02:04:58,538 --> 02:05:00,140
safely and with dignity in their

3093
02:05:00,140 --> 02:05:02,242
own homes. That is why I'm here

3094
02:05:02,242 --> 02:05:04,644
today in strong support of our

3095
02:05:04,644 --> 02:05:06,112
home care providers asking you

3096
02:05:06,112 --> 02:05:08,248
to invest in care and invest in

3097
02:05:08,248 --> 02:05:10,648
our caregivers and providers.

3098
02:05:11,684 --> 02:05:13,320
Every day our caregivers prevent

3099
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:15,288
unnecessary hospital visits,

3100
02:05:15,288 --> 02:05:16,956
they reduce crisis-level care,

3101
02:05:16,956 --> 02:05:18,458
and they provide stability for

3102
02:05:18,458 --> 02:05:21,458
some of our most vulnerable.

3103
02:05:23,697 --> 02:05:25,332
Without them,

3104
02:05:25,332 --> 02:05:26,867
, face impossible

3105
02:05:26,867 --> 02:05:28,969
choices and our systems face

3106
02:05:28,969 --> 02:05:29,970
greater strain. Despite being

3107
02:05:29,970 --> 02:05:32,306
essential, home care providers

3108
02:05:32,306 --> 02:05:33,706
are underpaid, overworked and

3109
02:05:33,706 --> 02:05:34,708
struggling to remain in this

3110
02:05:34,708 --> 02:05:36,377
profession. When caregivers

3111
02:05:36,377 --> 02:05:38,245
leave, the people they support

3112
02:05:38,245 --> 02:05:39,279
suffer and so does our

3113
02:05:39,279 --> 02:05:40,713
community. Investing in home

3114
02:05:40,713 --> 02:05:43,183
care is a smart investment in

3115
02:05:43,183 --> 02:05:45,418
people, stability, and long-term

3116
02:05:45,418 --> 02:05:46,987
savings. In-home supportive

3117
02:05:46,987 --> 02:05:49,290
services cost less than nursing

3118
02:05:49,290 --> 02:05:52,126
homes or hospital care, reduces

3119
02:05:52,126 --> 02:05:53,930
emergency 75s and saves public

3120
02:05:53,930 --> 02:05:55,362
dollars while keeping people

3121
02:05:55,362 --> 02:05:57,430
where they want to be, at home.

3122
02:05:57,430 --> 02:06:00,633
Today we urge the board to

3123
02:06:00,633 --> 02:06:02,736
invest in caregivers, providers,

3124
02:06:02,736 --> 02:06:03,770
and the ihss program and to

3125
02:06:03,770 --> 02:06:04,505
recognize care work as a

3126
02:06:04,505 --> 02:06:06,173
critical infrastructure in our

3127
02:06:06,173 --> 02:06:09,900
community. If we truly value

3128
02:06:09,900 --> 02:06:10,644
our seniors, people with

3129
02:06:10,644 --> 02:06:12,179
disabilities and families, then

3130
02:06:12,179 --> 02:06:14,381
we must value the workers who

3131
02:06:14,381 --> 02:06:16,617
care for them. Investing in

3132
02:06:16,617 --> 02:06:18,219
care is investing in health,

3133
02:06:18,219 --> 02:06:19,752
stability, and future in our

3134
02:06:19,752 --> 02:06:21,955
community. I thank you for your

3135
02:06:21,955 --> 02:06:22,755
time and leadership.

3136
02:06:22,755 --> 02:06:24,755
[Applause]

3137
02:06:25,792 --> 02:06:27,628
>>clerk, robin stieler: after

3138
02:06:27,628 --> 02:06:30,628
molina, the last three speakers

3139
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:34,680
are yvette, chris, and barbara.

3140
02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:36,468
>>speaker: good morning, board

3141
02:06:36,737 --> 02:06:39,737
of supervisors. My name is

3142
02:06:39,774 --> 02:06:41,809
molina, I work with alzheimer's

3143
02:06:41,809 --> 02:06:42,610
orange county as a multicultural

3144
02:06:42,610 --> 02:06:45,100
program coordinator for the

3145
02:06:45,712 --> 02:06:48,112
spanish languages. For that,

3146
02:06:48,182 --> 02:06:51,180
I'm here to read the statement

3147
02:06:51,180 --> 02:06:54,550
of support in spanish, based on

3148
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:57,550
the community that I serve.

3149
02:08:57,845 --> 02:08:59,247
[Spanish]

3150
02:08:59,247 --> 02:09:01,247
Thank you.

3151
02:09:01,683 --> 02:09:03,840
[Applause]

3152
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:05,484
>>chair, doug chaffee: next

3153
02:09:07,789 --> 02:09:09,789
speaker, please.

3154
02:09:10,792 --> 02:09:13,192
>>speaker: hi, everybody. Ioc

3155
02:09:13,828 --> 02:09:14,662
supervisors. My name is yvette

3156
02:09:14,662 --> 02:09:17,620
whilby. I'm the executive

3157
02:09:17,650 --> 02:09:18,733
director of mosaic movement and

3158
02:09:18,733 --> 02:09:21,569
an ihs provider. I'm here

3159
02:09:21,569 --> 02:09:22,404
because at mosaic we serve

3160
02:09:22,404 --> 02:09:23,171
children with disabilities here

3161
02:09:23,171 --> 02:09:24,806
in orange county. I'm here to

3162
02:09:24,806 --> 02:09:27,474
talk about the numbers because

3163
02:09:27,474 --> 02:09:29,874
they are staggering. In

3164
02:09:29,977 --> 02:09:31,977
california alone, 1 in 22

3165
02:09:33,648 --> 02:09:34,649
children specifically 1 in 22

3166
02:09:34,649 --> 02:09:37,490
4-year-olds have been diagnosed

3167
02:09:37,485 --> 02:09:40,880
with autism according to the

3168
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:42,488
cdc. Mosaic understands this

3169
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:45,760
demand. Autism cases in

3170
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:47,760
california's special education

3171
02:09:48,429 --> 02:09:51,429
have also skyrocketed. From the

3172
02:09:52,267 --> 02:09:54,468
early 1990s, from 14,000 cases

3173
02:09:54,468 --> 02:09:56,868
to 2018, they've increased to

3174
02:09:58,672 --> 02:10:00,642
over 120,000. See, these aren't

3175
02:10:00,642 --> 02:10:02,143
just statistics, they're our

3176
02:10:02,143 --> 02:10:04,143
neighbors, our neighbors'

3177
02:10:04,346 --> 02:10:07,346
children, the children that we

3178
02:10:08,450 --> 02:10:10,518
serve at mosaic. We talk about

3179
02:10:10,518 --> 02:10:13,688
autism but rare leo oaths not

3180
02:10:13,688 --> 02:10:16,525
just about autism. As many of

3181
02:10:16,525 --> 02:10:18,226
these children face dual

3182
02:10:18,226 --> 02:10:20,562
diagnoses, studies have shown

3183
02:10:20,562 --> 02:10:22,297
that over 24% of children with

3184
02:10:22,297 --> 02:10:25,297
autism have also been diagnosed

3185
02:10:26,340 --> 02:10:29,340
with adhd. Beyond that, these

3186
02:10:30,572 --> 02:10:32,572
children face significantly

3187
02:10:34,409 --> 02:10:36,809
higher anxiety, gi disorders,

3188
02:10:37,346 --> 02:10:39,800
sleep disorders, feeding

3189
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:41,817
problems in comparison to think

3190
02:10:41,817 --> 02:10:44,217
of their neurotypical peers.

3191
02:10:46,754 --> 02:10:48,189
This means one thing. One child

3192
02:10:48,189 --> 02:10:50,392
requires attention of multiple

3193
02:10:50,392 --> 02:10:51,360
medical and therapeutical

3194
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:52,294
specialists, and this is why

3195
02:10:52,294 --> 02:10:55,294
they require a lot more

3196
02:10:55,363 --> 02:10:57,265
supervision and a lot more

3197
02:10:57,265 --> 02:10:59,670
funding. Behind every one of

3198
02:10:59,670 --> 02:11:01,937
these statistics is a family in

3199
02:11:01,937 --> 02:11:04,337
crisis. Our mosaic families

3200
02:11:05,340 --> 02:11:06,674
rely on ihss to make care -- to

3201
02:11:06,674 --> 02:11:08,911
make sure that they care for

3202
02:11:08,911 --> 02:11:10,512
their children. The level of

3203
02:11:10,512 --> 02:11:13,512
anxiety is crushing. Data shows

3204
02:11:14,820 --> 02:11:16,485
that over 55% of parents, of

3205
02:11:16,485 --> 02:11:17,286
children with significant

3206
02:11:17,286 --> 02:11:19,286
disabilities experience

3207
02:11:19,454 --> 02:11:21,454
depression, severe anxiety,

3208
02:11:21,790 --> 02:11:22,757
stress just to name a few.

3209
02:11:22,757 --> 02:11:24,460
These families go through so

3210
02:11:24,460 --> 02:11:26,495
much stress and uncertainty

3211
02:11:26,495 --> 02:11:30,950
already. They live in fear of

3212
02:11:30,299 --> 02:11:31,967
what if, that dreaded "what if"

3213
02:11:31,967 --> 02:11:34,303
question. What if funding

3214
02:11:34,303 --> 02:11:37,139
stops, decreases? What if my

3215
02:11:37,139 --> 02:11:39,539
child isn't safe? Families

3216
02:11:40,242 --> 02:11:41,750
raising neuro divergent children

3217
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:42,211
need sustainable support, and

3218
02:11:42,211 --> 02:11:43,979
funding that increase so that

3219
02:11:43,979 --> 02:11:45,713
they can support their children.

3220
02:11:45,713 --> 02:11:48,784
We need to ensure more money in

3221
02:11:48,784 --> 02:11:50,386
the future. This program is

3222
02:11:50,386 --> 02:11:52,786
instrumental. It ensures kids

3223
02:11:54,123 --> 02:11:54,857
are taken care of by someone who

3224
02:11:54,857 --> 02:11:56,525
understands their specific

3225
02:11:56,525 --> 02:11:58,794
needs. And I want to make sure

3226
02:11:58,794 --> 02:12:01,960
it's clear, adequate fund

3227
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:03,432
something not a luxury. It's a

3228
02:12:03,432 --> 02:12:04,933
necessity. And it keeps

3229
02:12:04,933 --> 02:12:06,402
families together. We are

3230
02:12:06,402 --> 02:12:08,770
asking for sustainability for

3231
02:12:08,770 --> 02:12:10,506
our families, and we don't want

3232
02:12:10,506 --> 02:12:11,940
to go back, with we want to move

3233
02:12:11,940 --> 02:12:14,940
forward and need this increase

3234
02:12:15,244 --> 02:12:18,844
in funding. Thank you for your

3235
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:23,160
time.

3236
02:12:23,252 --> 02:12:24,219
>>speaker: good morning,

3237
02:12:24,219 --> 02:12:26,619
supervisors. My name is

3238
02:12:26,989 --> 02:12:27,555
christopher duarte, the director

3239
02:12:27,555 --> 02:12:29,425
of university of california

3240
02:12:29,425 --> 02:12:32,425
irvine labor center. The uc

3241
02:12:32,561 --> 02:12:34,630
irvine labor center produces

3242
02:12:34,630 --> 02:12:36,463
research, education, and public

3243
02:12:37,999 --> 02:12:38,968
engagement that connects worker

3244
02:12:38,968 --> 02:12:40,369
lived experience in orange

3245
02:12:40,369 --> 02:12:43,369
county, the forces shaping work.

3246
02:12:44,774 --> 02:12:45,708
We do so by trancelating these

3247
02:12:45,708 --> 02:12:47,109
dynamics into actionable

3248
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:49,445
knowledge. The center helps

3249
02:12:49,445 --> 02:12:51,845
inform policy decision and

3250
02:12:52,581 --> 02:12:54,716
debate. Our center's begun

3251
02:12:54,716 --> 02:12:55,717
research on in-home supportive

3252
02:12:55,717 --> 02:12:57,820
services workers. We hope to

3253
02:12:57,820 --> 02:12:58,921
share that research with you in

3254
02:12:58,921 --> 02:13:00,723
the forthcoming months when this

3255
02:13:00,723 --> 02:13:03,123
research is complete. Our

3256
02:13:04,827 --> 02:13:06,195
findings with this board and

3257
02:13:06,195 --> 02:13:07,697
udw, the representatives of

3258
02:13:07,697 --> 02:13:10,333
these workers. The center has

3259
02:13:10,333 --> 02:13:12,733
done some exploratory research

3260
02:13:13,903 --> 02:13:14,836
by myself and my faculty

3261
02:13:14,836 --> 02:13:16,836
director, professor walter

3262
02:13:16,906 --> 02:13:17,540
nichols, who's also chair of

3263
02:13:17,540 --> 02:13:20,109
urban planning and public policy

3264
02:13:20,109 --> 02:13:23,109
at the university of california

3265
02:13:23,412 --> 02:13:25,381
irvine and could not be with us

3266
02:13:25,381 --> 02:13:26,882
today. First I draw the board's

3267
02:13:26,882 --> 02:13:29,882
attention to its own documents.

3268
02:13:30,118 --> 02:13:31,687
The county's strategic plan for

3269
02:13:31,687 --> 02:13:35,258
aging identified in home care as

3270
02:13:35,258 --> 02:13:35,925
one of two significant barriers

3271
02:13:35,925 --> 02:13:38,925
to independent living for adults

3272
02:13:41,130 --> 02:13:43,530
in the county. 48,000 ihss

3273
02:13:43,598 --> 02:13:45,998
providers are paid 46% below

3274
02:13:46,102 --> 02:13:50,302
what it cost to live in orange

3275
02:13:52,410 --> 02:13:52,842
county. The plan attribute

3276
02:13:52,842 --> 02:13:54,477
ed the

3277
02:13:54,477 --> 02:13:56,877
providers shortage directly to

3278
02:13:56,979 --> 02:13:58,614
pay below this living wage.

3279
02:13:58,614 --> 02:14:00,614
These 48,000 providers serve

3280
02:14:02,885 --> 02:14:04,287
more than 55,000 residents. The

3281
02:14:04,287 --> 02:14:05,288
economic policy institute

3282
02:14:05,288 --> 02:14:07,688
calculates a single adult

3283
02:14:10,559 --> 02:14:12,261
without a child needs $36.03 per

3284
02:14:12,261 --> 02:14:13,896
hour to attain modest but

3285
02:14:13,896 --> 02:14:16,296
adequate standards of living.

3286
02:14:16,632 --> 02:14:18,632
Between 2025 and 2049, the

3287
02:14:19,135 --> 02:14:20,837
california department of finance

3288
02:14:20,837 --> 02:14:23,139
projects a 66% increase in

3289
02:14:23,139 --> 02:14:25,539
orange county residents age 65

3290
02:14:27,110 --> 02:14:29,779
and older. By 2060, this would

3291
02:14:29,779 --> 02:14:33,379
be 1 in 3 residents over the age

3292
02:14:34,217 --> 02:14:37,217
of 65. Analysis of data shows

3293
02:14:37,553 --> 02:14:39,889
in 2025, more than 2.5 million

3294
02:14:39,889 --> 02:14:41,891
authorized ihs care provider

3295
02:14:41,891 --> 02:14:43,590
hours that he went undelivered

3296
02:14:43,590 --> 02:14:45,228
simply maintaining the current

3297
02:14:45,228 --> 02:14:47,563
provider ratio over the next

3298
02:14:47,563 --> 02:14:49,963
decade will require 17,000 new

3299
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:52,668
providers. At a wage of 18.90,

3300
02:14:52,668 --> 02:14:53,803
46% below what the cost of

3301
02:14:53,803 --> 02:14:56,720
living is in this county, we

3302
02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:59,672
don't see a credible path to

3303
02:15:03,120 --> 02:15:05,810
building that workforce. You

3304
02:15:05,810 --> 02:15:06,490
hold the authority to set wages

3305
02:15:06,490 --> 02:15:08,449
through the bargaining process.

3306
02:15:09,418 --> 02:15:12,550
And we encourage to you use that

3307
02:15:12,550 --> 02:15:14,570
authority to address wages and

3308
02:15:14,570 --> 02:15:15,910
worker concerns and invest in

3309
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:15,992
workers and age residents.

3310
02:15:15,992 --> 02:15:16,793
Thank you.

3311
02:15:16,793 --> 02:15:19,620
>>chair, doug chaffee: MAY we

3312
02:15:19,620 --> 02:15:22,620
have the next speaker please.

3313
02:15:25,168 --> 02:15:27,168
>>speaker: yes, sir.

3314
02:15:28,338 --> 02:15:30,340
>>speaker: I thank him for doing

3315
02:15:30,340 --> 02:15:31,408
all of the stats because I know

3316
02:15:31,408 --> 02:15:33,275
people's eyes roll around when

3317
02:15:33,275 --> 02:15:34,977
that happens. Honorable

3318
02:15:34,977 --> 02:15:37,977
supervisors, my name is barbara

3319
02:15:37,981 --> 02:15:39,449
fairly, I live, volunteer, and

3320
02:15:39,449 --> 02:15:43,490
worship in orange county. I am

3321
02:15:44,860 --> 02:15:44,621
also a member of clue clergy and

3322
02:15:44,621 --> 02:15:46,523
laity united for economic

3323
02:15:46,523 --> 02:15:48,458
justice, a network of thousands

3324
02:15:48,458 --> 02:15:51,458
of faith leaders and communities

3325
02:15:51,661 --> 02:15:52,729
committed to supporting workers

3326
02:15:52,729 --> 02:15:55,729
and immigrants in the struggle

3327
02:15:55,832 --> 02:15:57,500
for dignity and justice and a

3328
02:15:57,500 --> 02:15:58,868
resisting wage. I am here to

3329
02:15:58,868 --> 02:16:00,937
stand in solidarity with the

3330
02:16:00,937 --> 02:16:03,937
home care providers asking you

3331
02:16:04,107 --> 02:16:06,243
to invest in care, invest in our

3332
02:16:06,243 --> 02:16:07,844
caregivers and providers. I

3333
02:16:07,844 --> 02:16:09,645
have been a caregiver in the

3334
02:16:09,645 --> 02:16:11,848
past as a single mother, and it

3335
02:16:11,848 --> 02:16:12,715
was very difficult to survive on

3336
02:16:12,715 --> 02:16:14,284
that.

3337
02:16:14,284 --> 02:16:15,886
And I think that you all

3338
02:16:15,886 --> 02:16:18,688
knee nobody can survive on the

3339
02:16:18,688 --> 02:16:20,323
wage that people are currently

3340
02:16:20,323 --> 02:16:22,723
getting under the current

3341
02:16:22,725 --> 02:16:25,125
contract. Typically they can't

3342
02:16:25,462 --> 02:16:28,462
afford an apartment of their

3343
02:16:29,399 --> 02:16:30,433
own, to live independently.

3344
02:16:30,433 --> 02:16:33,170
I've been a domestic worker,

3345
02:16:33,170 --> 02:16:35,370
I've been a caregiver, and now I

3346
02:16:35,370 --> 02:16:37,700
am -- and I've been in a care

3347
02:16:37,700 --> 02:16:38,800
giving home, and they were so

3348
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:40,408
understaffed that people were

3349
02:16:40,944 --> 02:16:41,878
begging for help, and people

3350
02:16:41,878 --> 02:16:44,878
were working so hard and

3351
02:16:44,881 --> 02:16:48,180
couldn't keep up with it. It's

3352
02:16:48,180 --> 02:16:52,218
a disgrace that in one of the

3353
02:16:52,455 --> 02:16:56,550
richest counties, in one of the

3354
02:16:56,293 --> 02:16:58,610
richest states in the united

3355
02:16:58,610 --> 02:17:00,263
states that we cannot afford to

3356
02:17:00,263 --> 02:17:02,332
take care of our caregivers.

3357
02:17:02,332 --> 02:17:03,500
I'm a boomer, and I think all of

3358
02:17:03,500 --> 02:17:06,803
you know that you have a boomer

3359
02:17:06,803 --> 02:17:07,637
coming up for care, and whether

3360
02:17:07,637 --> 02:17:10,370
you have independent insurance

3361
02:17:10,307 --> 02:17:13,760
or not, you still have to be

3362
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,313
able to obtain a caregiver. And

3363
02:17:16,313 --> 02:17:19,249
people are leaving the area.

3364
02:17:19,249 --> 02:17:22,249
Without the help of my

3365
02:17:23,119 --> 02:17:25,519
caregiver, who has disappeared,

3366
02:17:25,522 --> 02:17:27,557
I would not be able to live

3367
02:17:27,557 --> 02:17:29,957
independently, to volunteer, to

3368
02:17:30,994 --> 02:17:33,697
donate food, to I go food out at

3369
02:17:33,697 --> 02:17:36,970
judy's kitchen los alamitos.

3370
02:17:36,300 --> 02:17:39,300
Also, we support mothers and

3371
02:17:40,700 --> 02:17:42,105
homeless people who need food,

3372
02:17:42,105 --> 02:17:43,106
they're food insecure, and

3373
02:17:43,106 --> 02:17:45,442
diapers and wipes and baby food,

3374
02:17:45,442 --> 02:17:48,278
and you will of a the best

3375
02:17:48,278 --> 02:17:50,914
quality from our local donors.

3376
02:17:50,914 --> 02:17:52,416
I really appreciate the people

3377
02:17:52,416 --> 02:17:53,850
who I've been give -- who have

3378
02:17:53,850 --> 02:17:55,953
been giving to us and who have

3379
02:17:55,953 --> 02:17:57,588
supported us. And I brought a

3380
02:17:57,588 --> 02:18:00,224
flyer so you know what they do,

3381
02:18:00,224 --> 02:18:01,525
what we do. We serve cyprus,

3382
02:18:01,525 --> 02:18:04,728
some people from long beach. I

3383
02:18:04,728 --> 02:18:07,597
know it's not the county. Los

3384
02:18:07,597 --> 02:18:10,597
alamitos, and all of the

3385
02:18:11,340 --> 02:18:14,340
surrounding cities. And we have

3386
02:18:15,272 --> 02:18:16,707
a senior assisted -- it's a

3387
02:18:16,707 --> 02:18:18,707
senior-supportive housing on

3388
02:18:19,743 --> 02:18:21,345
that property. And there are at

3389
02:18:21,345 --> 02:18:24,345
least 40 senior couples who come

3390
02:18:26,183 --> 02:18:27,918
for food every month. So please

3391
02:18:27,918 --> 02:18:30,621
support the workers who make

3392
02:18:30,621 --> 02:18:31,554
this all possible. Thank you.

3393
02:18:31,554 --> 02:18:33,570
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

3394
02:18:33,570 --> 02:18:34,491
further speakers, MR. Chair.

3395
02:18:34,491 --> 02:18:36,491
[Applause]

3396
02:18:37,428 --> 02:18:39,828
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

3397
02:18:47,605 --> 02:18:48,500
you. Let's see. This is an

3398
02:18:48,500 --> 02:18:49,239
all-district item.

3399
02:18:49,239 --> 02:18:51,642
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

3400
02:18:51,642 --> 02:18:52,810
move the item with comment.

3401
02:18:52,810 --> 02:18:53,877
>>vincente sarmiento: second.

3402
02:18:53,877 --> 02:18:54,178
>>chair, doug chaffee:

3403
02:18:54,178 --> 02:18:55,112
vice-chair.

3404
02:18:55,112 --> 02:18:56,180
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

3405
02:18:56,180 --> 02:18:59,150
you for your thoughtful comments

3406
02:18:59,150 --> 02:19:01,185
today. This is a very difficult

3407
02:19:01,185 --> 02:19:04,185
issue that we are challenged

3408
02:19:04,188 --> 02:19:06,223
with here at the county, and not

3409
02:19:06,223 --> 02:19:08,993
to be -- make it more difficult,

3410
02:19:08,993 --> 02:19:10,327
but I want you all to know that

3411
02:19:10,327 --> 02:19:12,727
insists sacramento yesterday. I

3412
02:19:12,830 --> 02:19:15,132
met with the governor's office

3413
02:19:15,132 --> 02:19:16,734
to address what is being

3414
02:19:16,734 --> 02:19:20,400
proposed by the office, which is

3415
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:23,400
to eliminate the county funding

3416
02:19:24,341 --> 02:19:27,341
from the state that is

3417
02:19:27,378 --> 02:19:29,378
approximately $233 million that

3418
02:19:29,613 --> 02:19:32,550
currently gets shared with the

3419
02:19:32,550 --> 02:19:34,885
counties to help support the

3420
02:19:34,885 --> 02:19:36,885
in-home healthcare supportive

3421
02:19:38,890 --> 02:19:40,424
services caregiver program. And

3422
02:19:40,424 --> 02:19:44,624
so if the state does that, that

3423
02:19:46,497 --> 02:19:47,465
will be very dramatic for the

3424
02:19:47,465 --> 02:19:49,667
counties. And in orange county,

3425
02:19:49,667 --> 02:19:51,680
we only receive 5 cents on the

3426
02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:54,680
dollar for property tax compared

3427
02:19:54,272 --> 02:19:56,607
to, say, san diego gets 12 cents

3428
02:19:56,607 --> 02:19:58,843
on the dollar. Los angeles 20

3429
02:19:58,843 --> 02:20:00,477
cents. I think san bernardino,

3430
02:20:00,477 --> 02:20:02,780
maybe 14. But we don't have a

3431
02:20:02,780 --> 02:20:04,314
lot of flexibility in our

3432
02:20:04,314 --> 02:20:07,914
current general fund. And if we

3433
02:20:09,353 --> 02:20:09,854
were having to cover $230

3434
02:20:09,854 --> 02:20:11,422
million, that would be a

3435
02:20:11,422 --> 02:20:14,325
problem. So my reason to bring

3436
02:20:14,325 --> 02:20:16,270
this up is to urge you to take

3437
02:20:16,270 --> 02:20:17,962
some action and communicate with

3438
02:20:17,962 --> 02:20:19,962
the governor's office.

3439
02:20:20,264 --> 02:20:21,899
Communicate with the state

3440
02:20:21,899 --> 02:20:24,235
legislature to discourage them

3441
02:20:24,235 --> 02:20:26,635
from that proposal. That

3442
02:20:27,171 --> 02:20:28,940
proposal would be very

3443
02:20:28,940 --> 02:20:31,809
detrimental to the county. So

3444
02:20:31,809 --> 02:20:33,444
thank you for bringing forward

3445
02:20:33,444 --> 02:20:37,440
your concerns. As you all know,

3446
02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:39,484
I agree. I feel that the wages

3447
02:20:39,484 --> 02:20:41,819
that we have currently are

3448
02:20:41,819 --> 02:20:44,880
immoral. I've said this many

3449
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:45,456
times. It's not a secret. We

3450
02:20:45,456 --> 02:20:46,624
just have to figure outage

3451
02:20:46,624 --> 02:20:48,558
answer and a solution. That is

3452
02:20:48,558 --> 02:20:49,293
our challenge. So thank you.

3453
02:20:49,293 --> 02:20:50,528
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

3454
02:20:50,528 --> 02:20:50,828
you, vice-chair. Supervisor

3455
02:20:50,828 --> 02:20:51,963
sarmiento.

3456
02:20:51,963 --> 02:20:53,597
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank

3457
02:20:53,597 --> 02:20:54,965
you, MR. Chair. I simply wanted

3458
02:20:54,965 --> 02:20:57,101
to take a moment to thank those

3459
02:20:57,101 --> 02:21:00,101
who spoke. You spoke clearly.

3460
02:21:00,104 --> 02:21:03,704
You spoke strongly about what we

3461
02:21:04,709 --> 02:21:06,311
know is a service that is

3462
02:21:06,311 --> 02:21:08,311
incredibly disproportionate to

3463
02:21:08,412 --> 02:21:10,348
wages and salaries that you

3464
02:21:10,348 --> 02:21:11,749
receive for the work. We know

3465
02:21:11,749 --> 02:21:15,349
that without the work that you

3466
02:21:16,287 --> 02:21:17,721
do, we would have to absorb it

3467
02:21:17,721 --> 02:21:19,356
in a much more expensive way.

3468
02:21:19,356 --> 02:21:20,925
So also receiving care from a

3469
02:21:20,925 --> 02:21:23,325
family member, receiving care

3470
02:21:24,195 --> 02:21:25,497
from a loved one is infinitely

3471
02:21:25,497 --> 02:21:27,164
better than receiving it from a

3472
02:21:27,164 --> 02:21:30,764
stranger. So we know that there

3473
02:21:31,100 --> 02:21:31,769
is intangible non-quantifiable

3474
02:21:31,769 --> 02:21:33,738
benefits to being able to

3475
02:21:33,738 --> 02:21:34,838
continue with this. So I know

3476
02:21:34,838 --> 02:21:37,750
that, you know, I want to thank

3477
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:39,770
the vice-chair for going up to

3478
02:21:39,770 --> 02:21:41,770
sacramento yesterday. We've

3479
02:21:41,613 --> 02:21:43,314
been, you know, constantly

3480
02:21:43,314 --> 02:21:44,682
communicating with sacramento

3481
02:21:44,682 --> 02:21:47,585
and the governor's office to

3482
02:21:47,585 --> 02:21:48,586
make sure that they provide some

3483
02:21:48,586 --> 02:21:50,689
relief, that they're more

3484
02:21:50,689 --> 02:21:52,457
equitable with our county. We

3485
02:21:52,457 --> 02:21:54,758
keep telling them, our county

3486
02:21:54,758 --> 02:21:56,194
should not be receiving half

3487
02:21:56,194 --> 02:21:58,563
what other peer counties receive

3488
02:21:58,563 --> 02:22:00,632
for funding such vital services

3489
02:22:00,632 --> 02:22:02,300
like this. We're not a donor

3490
02:22:02,300 --> 02:22:03,268
county. We're not the affluent

3491
02:22:03,268 --> 02:22:04,769
wealthy county that everybody

3492
02:22:04,769 --> 02:22:05,870
believes. Come visit my

3493
02:22:05,870 --> 02:22:07,572
district, and I'll show you

3494
02:22:07,572 --> 02:22:09,700
people that are living below the

3495
02:22:09,700 --> 02:22:11,543
poverty line. And I can attest

3496
02:22:11,543 --> 02:22:13,780
to that. So to the extent that

3497
02:22:13,780 --> 02:22:14,613
we hands with you're saying,

3498
02:22:14,613 --> 02:22:17,613
this item really doesn't speak

3499
02:22:17,716 --> 02:22:20,552
to that. But we understand your

3500
02:22:20,552 --> 02:22:21,653
urgency as well. So just know

3501
02:22:21,653 --> 02:22:24,389
that we are going to continue

3502
02:22:24,389 --> 02:22:26,357
that. I would, you know, sort

3503
02:22:26,357 --> 02:22:28,293
of echo what the vice-chair

3504
02:22:28,293 --> 02:22:30,228
said. We need to speak with one

3505
02:22:30,228 --> 02:22:32,430
voice as we're asking sacramento

3506
02:22:32,430 --> 02:22:34,299
to be able to work with us and

3507
02:22:34,299 --> 02:22:36,635
help us to the extent that you

3508
02:22:36,635 --> 02:22:39,700
can give a shout-out to us you

3509
02:22:39,700 --> 02:22:39,971
and say give these folks parity.

3510
02:22:39,971 --> 02:22:41,273
There's no reason why orange

3511
02:22:41,273 --> 02:22:42,974
county should be receiving half

3512
02:22:42,974 --> 02:22:44,509
of what other counties receive.

3513
02:22:44,509 --> 02:22:46,111
We have equal needs. We have

3514
02:22:46,111 --> 02:22:48,146
needs that are just as demanding

3515
02:22:48,146 --> 02:22:48,713
as san diego, riverside, you

3516
02:22:48,713 --> 02:22:51,713
know, other counties of our

3517
02:22:52,917 --> 02:22:55,320
size. So with that, MR. Chair,

3518
02:22:55,320 --> 02:22:56,154
I'll second this.

3519
02:22:56,154 --> 02:22:58,223
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's

3520
02:22:58,223 --> 02:22:58,724
moved and seconded. Any

3521
02:22:58,724 --> 02:23:01,124
objection? The item is

3522
02:23:03,328 --> 02:23:06,928
approved. Now we come to item

3523
02:23:10,435 --> 02:23:11,200
36.

3524
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:11,603
>>clerk, robin stieler: 36.

3525
02:23:11,603 --> 02:23:12,236
Under county executive office,

3526
02:23:12,236 --> 02:23:12,904
select tap bfr acquisitions llc

3527
02:23:12,904 --> 02:23:13,672
as primary and 1725 w 17th

3528
02:23:13,672 --> 02:23:14,373
street llc as alternate

3529
02:23:14,373 --> 02:23:15,540
proposers for development of

3530
02:23:15,540 --> 02:23:16,708
1725 west 17th street, santa

3531
02:23:16,708 --> 02:23:17,709
ana; and authorize chief real

3532
02:23:17,709 --> 02:23:19,611
estate officer or designee to

3533
02:23:19,611 --> 02:23:20,646
negotiate option and lease

3534
02:23:20,646 --> 02:23:21,479
agreements and return to the

3535
02:23:21,479 --> 02:23:24,479
board of supervisors for final

3536
02:23:24,983 --> 02:23:26,485
approval.

3537
02:23:26,485 --> 02:23:28,119
And we have two requests to

3538
02:23:28,119 --> 02:23:29,788
speak on agenda item 36.

3539
02:23:29,788 --> 02:23:30,522
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

3540
02:23:30,522 --> 02:23:31,355
call the speakers.

3541
02:23:31,355 --> 02:23:33,755
>>clerk, robin stieler: scott

3542
02:23:46,638 --> 02:23:48,339
mayor and todd cull.

3543
02:23:48,339 --> 02:23:50,739
>>speaker: good morning. Scott

3544
02:23:52,100 --> 02:23:54,412
mayor on behalf of proposer tap

3545
02:23:54,412 --> 02:23:56,515
vfr acquisitions, llc. A

3546
02:23:56,515 --> 02:23:59,170
pleasure to be here. The

3547
02:23:59,170 --> 02:24:01,787
housing project proposed by tap

3548
02:24:01,787 --> 02:24:03,588
includes 300 afford be housing

3549
02:24:03,588 --> 02:24:06,557
homes with ample parking and

3550
02:24:06,557 --> 02:24:08,957
includes a curated retail

3551
02:24:09,595 --> 02:24:11,230
element along with an open

3552
02:24:11,230 --> 02:24:14,230
community space we have named

3553
02:24:14,967 --> 02:24:16,568
arrest tess. That will include

3554
02:24:16,568 --> 02:24:18,568
interactive neighborhood benefit

3555
02:24:18,704 --> 02:24:20,939
space supportive space for santa

3556
02:24:20,939 --> 02:24:23,542
ana college and its students.

3557
02:24:23,542 --> 02:24:27,780
As stated in the asr and as

3558
02:24:27,780 --> 02:24:29,781
found by the county evaluation

3559
02:24:29,781 --> 02:24:31,716
committee, our proposal in

3560
02:24:31,716 --> 02:24:34,116
comparison to the other

3561
02:24:34,153 --> 02:24:36,553
proposals provides a more

3562
02:24:37,189 --> 02:24:38,857
balanced, mixed-use program,

3563
02:24:38,857 --> 02:24:41,257
higher projected fiscal returns,

3564
02:24:41,327 --> 02:24:43,727
and a private financing

3565
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:46,463
structure that reduces reliance

3566
02:24:46,998 --> 02:24:49,398
on competitive, public subsidy

3567
02:24:49,535 --> 02:24:51,535
programs. Thereby enhancing

3568
02:24:53,272 --> 02:24:55,672
schedule certainty and reducing

3569
02:24:55,708 --> 02:24:57,708
implementation risk. Our

3570
02:24:57,743 --> 02:25:00,143
project will be privately

3571
02:25:00,312 --> 02:25:02,312
financed with approximately $40

3572
02:25:02,581 --> 02:25:05,170
million or what we call skin in

3573
02:25:05,170 --> 02:25:08,170
the game. As opposed to

3574
02:25:08,654 --> 02:25:11,900
reliance on public subsidies and

3575
02:25:11,900 --> 02:25:13,920
bond financing proposed by

3576
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:15,492
others. Our project is

3577
02:25:15,627 --> 02:25:17,162
supported by the los angeles

3578
02:25:17,162 --> 02:25:19,331
orange county's building and

3579
02:25:19,331 --> 02:25:21,731
construction trades council and

3580
02:25:23,102 --> 02:25:25,337
its union members. And will

3581
02:25:25,337 --> 02:25:27,173
include a local hiring

3582
02:25:27,173 --> 02:25:29,573
initiative. Our project offers

3583
02:25:30,750 --> 02:25:31,944
the highest fiscal return to the

3584
02:25:31,944 --> 02:25:34,613
county. We will pay rent on

3585
02:25:34,613 --> 02:25:35,881
lease commencement with

3586
02:25:35,881 --> 02:25:37,881
percentage and participation

3587
02:25:37,950 --> 02:25:40,950
rent well above that being

3588
02:25:40,986 --> 02:25:44,586
offered by others and with a

3589
02:25:44,824 --> 02:25:47,590
shorter lease term. As state in

3590
02:25:47,590 --> 02:25:48,661
the asr and found by the

3591
02:25:48,661 --> 02:25:50,661
evaluation committee, our

3592
02:25:50,796 --> 02:25:53,196
proposal provides the county

3593
02:25:53,933 --> 02:25:55,601
with multiple, diversified

3594
02:25:55,601 --> 02:25:58,100
revenue streams, including an

3595
02:25:59,505 --> 02:26:01,905
upfront option payment, earlier

3596
02:26:02,208 --> 02:26:03,943
rent commencement during the

3597
02:26:03,943 --> 02:26:05,943
construction period, percentage

3598
02:26:06,145 --> 02:26:09,145
rent tied to project revenues

3599
02:26:10,315 --> 02:26:13,315
andle participation in sale and

3600
02:26:20,626 --> 02:26:22,295
refinancing proceeds our

3601
02:26:22,295 --> 02:26:23,863
proposal is projected to

3602
02:26:23,863 --> 02:26:25,863
generate approximately 1.8 times

3603
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:27,533
the stabilized annual ground

3604
02:26:27,533 --> 02:26:29,736
rent compared to the other

3605
02:26:29,736 --> 02:26:32,136
proposals before you, providing

3606
02:26:32,371 --> 02:26:34,771
a greater, predictable, annual

3607
02:26:34,974 --> 02:26:36,776
revenue and long-term fiscal

3608
02:26:36,776 --> 02:26:38,511
upside for the county. Our

3609
02:26:38,511 --> 02:26:40,546
proposal offers both earlier

3610
02:26:40,546 --> 02:26:42,481
revenue generation and stronger

3611
02:26:42,481 --> 02:26:43,216
long-term fiscal performance

3612
02:26:43,216 --> 02:26:45,184
while delivering affordable

3613
02:26:45,184 --> 02:26:46,718
housing and community benefits.

3614
02:26:46,718 --> 02:26:48,955
In summary, our proposal

3615
02:26:48,955 --> 02:26:50,657
provides the most competitive

3616
02:26:50,657 --> 02:26:53,657
fiscal return to the county

3617
02:26:54,293 --> 02:26:55,895
while also delivering affordable

3618
02:26:55,895 --> 02:26:56,620
housing and community serving

3619
02:26:56,620 --> 02:26:57,290
use.

3620
02:26:57,290 --> 02:26:58,331
>>chair, doug chaffee: sir, your

3621
02:26:58,331 --> 02:26:59,265
time is up. Thank you.

3622
02:26:59,265 --> 02:27:00,198
>>speaker: thank you.

3623
02:27:00,198 --> 02:27:03,198
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

3624
02:27:07,407 --> 02:27:09,407
for your presentation.

3625
02:27:09,942 --> 02:27:12,942
>>speaker: good morning, my name

3626
02:27:13,579 --> 02:27:15,915
is todd caudle and with barry

3627
02:27:15,915 --> 02:27:17,550
and shaun rawson, and we're here

3628
02:27:17,550 --> 02:27:19,652
representing cnc development and

3629
02:27:19,652 --> 02:27:20,286
waterford property company. We

3630
02:27:20,286 --> 02:27:21,520
appreciated the opportunity to

3631
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:25,120
respond to the county's rfp for

3632
02:27:27,460 --> 02:27:28,862
the 17th street sight. We

3633
02:27:28,862 --> 02:27:29,962
have years of development

3634
02:27:29,962 --> 02:27:31,898
experience here in the city of

3635
02:27:31,898 --> 02:27:32,966
santa ana. We've previously

3636
02:27:32,966 --> 02:27:33,900
developed over our career 12

3637
02:27:33,900 --> 02:27:35,201
projects within the city of

3638
02:27:35,201 --> 02:27:37,437
santa ana over the past 25

3639
02:27:37,437 --> 02:27:38,137
years. We appreciate the

3640
02:27:38,137 --> 02:27:39,272
board's consideration of our

3641
02:27:39,272 --> 02:27:40,807
development and look forward to

3642
02:27:40,807 --> 02:27:43,207
the opportunity of participating

3643
02:27:44,344 --> 02:27:45,211
with the county to develop a

3644
02:27:45,211 --> 02:27:47,313
360-unit project that meets the

3645
02:27:47,313 --> 02:27:49,481
needs of large families by

3646
02:27:49,481 --> 02:27:52,481
having half of the development,

3647
02:27:52,819 --> 02:27:53,686
180 units with two and

3648
02:27:53,686 --> 02:27:55,655
three-bedroom apartments, by

3649
02:27:55,655 --> 02:27:57,957
having a project that is 100%

3650
02:27:57,957 --> 02:28:00,357
affordable to families and

3651
02:28:00,427 --> 02:28:02,427
individuals at 50, 80, and 100%

3652
02:28:02,629 --> 02:28:04,297
of area median income. Having a

3653
02:28:04,297 --> 02:28:05,764
development that will provide

3654
02:28:05,764 --> 02:28:06,398
additional public benefit

3655
02:28:06,398 --> 02:28:08,000
through the inclusion of a head

3656
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,235
start location to serve the

3657
02:28:09,235 --> 02:28:11,604
residents of this community and

3658
02:28:11,604 --> 02:28:14,400
the surrounding neighborhood in

3659
02:28:14,274 --> 02:28:15,642
addition to santa ana college.

3660
02:28:15,642 --> 02:28:17,911
Incorporating a preference for

3661
02:28:17,911 --> 02:28:19,546
santa ana college students, and

3662
02:28:19,546 --> 02:28:20,947
the provision of on-site

3663
02:28:20,947 --> 02:28:21,548
community space to serve the

3664
02:28:21,548 --> 02:28:23,249
riverview neighborhood, santa

3665
02:28:23,249 --> 02:28:25,585
ana college and the wider

3666
02:28:25,585 --> 02:28:28,210
community. Our project will be

3667
02:28:28,210 --> 02:28:30,223
pursuing a buy right entitlement

3668
02:28:30,223 --> 02:28:31,570
path using ab 2011 with our

3669
02:28:31,570 --> 02:28:32,250
commitment to work with the

3670
02:28:32,250 --> 02:28:34,160
city, with the county and with

3671
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:36,560
the surrounding communities to

3672
02:28:37,970 --> 02:28:38,732
address concerns about parking,

3673
02:28:38,732 --> 02:28:40,333
potential open space and project

3674
02:28:40,333 --> 02:28:42,869
design. We will also be

3675
02:28:42,869 --> 02:28:43,436
incorporating a prevailing wage

3676
02:28:43,436 --> 02:28:45,105
requirement within the

3677
02:28:45,105 --> 02:28:47,700
development for 100% of it as

3678
02:28:47,700 --> 02:28:49,609
prevailing wage through the use

3679
02:28:49,609 --> 02:28:50,242
of ab 2011. We appreciate your

3680
02:28:50,242 --> 02:28:51,978
consideration and are available

3681
02:28:51,978 --> 02:28:52,678
to answer any questions. Thank

3682
02:28:52,678 --> 02:28:53,480
you.

3683
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:53,647
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

3684
02:28:53,647 --> 02:28:54,880
you.

3685
02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:56,583
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

3686
02:28:56,583 --> 02:28:57,820
further speakers, MR. Chair.

3687
02:28:57,820 --> 02:28:57,550
>>chair, doug chaffee:

3688
02:28:57,550 --> 02:28:58,918
supervisor sarmiento.

3689
02:28:58,918 --> 02:29:00,287
>>vincente sarmiento, yes, thank

3690
02:29:00,287 --> 02:29:03,423
you, MR. Chair. This is a

3691
02:29:03,423 --> 02:29:05,658
district 2 item, and I know --

3692
02:29:05,658 --> 02:29:07,327
boy, this seems like it's been a

3693
02:29:07,327 --> 02:29:09,529
while that we've had this

3694
02:29:09,529 --> 02:29:12,398
discussion about the future of

3695
02:29:12,398 --> 02:29:15,135
this site. It's so a nine-acre

3696
02:29:15,135 --> 02:29:16,536
site, 9.3-acre site on 17th

3697
02:29:16,536 --> 02:29:19,536
street right across from santa

3698
02:29:19,573 --> 02:29:21,740
ana college. It's one of the

3699
02:29:21,740 --> 02:29:23,740
largest healthcare facility

3700
02:29:31,785 --> 02:29:34,621
sites that we in the county own

3701
02:29:34,621 --> 02:29:35,389
and now are going to relocate to

3702
02:29:35,389 --> 02:29:36,490
elsewhere. It's former me

3703
02:29:36,490 --> 02:29:38,758
because when my family arrived

3704
02:29:38,758 --> 02:29:40,994
in santa ana and orange county

3705
02:29:40,994 --> 02:29:42,396
in the mid-60s, I received

3706
02:29:42,396 --> 02:29:44,564
much of our care from that

3707
02:29:44,564 --> 02:29:46,466
healthcare agency. So my

3708
02:29:46,466 --> 02:29:47,968
vaccinations, visits to go, you

3709
02:29:47,968 --> 02:29:50,837
know, receive those were there

3710
02:29:50,837 --> 02:29:53,807
at that site. It's some place

3711
02:29:53,807 --> 02:29:54,941
that was an anchor for the

3712
02:29:54,941 --> 02:29:56,877
community to receive its care,

3713
02:29:56,877 --> 02:29:58,512
and so now seeing that the

3714
02:29:58,512 --> 02:30:00,130
services are going to be

3715
02:30:00,130 --> 02:30:02,249
relocated, we wanted to make

3716
02:30:02,249 --> 02:30:03,820
sure that whatever, you know,

3717
02:30:03,820 --> 02:30:04,170
became of that site was

3718
02:30:04,170 --> 02:30:06,220
something that was going to

3719
02:30:06,220 --> 02:30:09,820
serve a public purpose as well.

3720
02:30:12,959 --> 02:30:15,361
So I want to thank our staff at

3721
02:30:15,361 --> 02:30:16,463
real estate for doing a good

3722
02:30:16,463 --> 02:30:17,931
job. I know this was initially

3723
02:30:17,931 --> 02:30:19,933
rolled out in 2021. Back then I

3724
02:30:19,933 --> 02:30:20,834
was the mayor of santa ana, so I

3725
02:30:20,834 --> 02:30:22,870
got to see that iteration of

3726
02:30:22,870 --> 02:30:24,872
proposals that were submitted.

3727
02:30:24,872 --> 02:30:28,472
These are much superior, I want

3728
02:30:28,542 --> 02:30:30,310
to thank you for that. There's

3729
02:30:30,310 --> 02:30:32,246
a better, I think, understanding

3730
02:30:32,246 --> 02:30:32,946
of what the community needs, you

3731
02:30:32,946 --> 02:30:35,215
know, what the neighborhood can

3732
02:30:35,215 --> 02:30:36,817
absorb and really what works

3733
02:30:36,817 --> 02:30:38,452
there at that site. So I want

3734
02:30:38,452 --> 02:30:39,286
to thank them for that. I want

3735
02:30:39,286 --> 02:30:40,854
to thank my colleagues. And I

3736
02:30:40,854 --> 02:30:42,890
know at that time, I think it

3737
02:30:42,890 --> 02:30:44,791
was vice-chair foley who was

3738
02:30:44,791 --> 02:30:46,827
care-taking this district before

3739
02:30:46,827 --> 02:30:51,270
I arrived. And so we've come a

3740
02:30:51,265 --> 02:30:52,900
longways since those rounds of

3741
02:30:52,900 --> 02:30:54,340
proposals. I think all five

3742
02:30:54,340 --> 02:30:55,401
proposals were strong. I think

3743
02:30:55,401 --> 02:30:56,637
they were thoughtful, but

3744
02:30:56,637 --> 02:30:58,973
obviously there were two

3745
02:30:58,973 --> 02:31:02,209
proposals that rose to the top.

3746
02:31:02,209 --> 02:31:05,446
And that was cnc waterford tap

3747
02:31:05,446 --> 02:31:08,182
bfr. I want to thank them for

3748
02:31:08,182 --> 02:31:10,718
their submittals and their time

3749
02:31:10,718 --> 02:31:12,285
to meet with our office and walk

3750
02:31:12,285 --> 02:31:15,550
us through. And I know they've

3751
02:31:15,550 --> 02:31:16,991
met with all of the offices up

3752
02:31:16,991 --> 02:31:18,325
here. This item was continued

3753
02:31:18,325 --> 02:31:19,326
just to make sure we understood.

3754
02:31:19,326 --> 02:31:22,290
We had a little bit more time,

3755
02:31:22,290 --> 02:31:23,463
we've waited this long, why not

3756
02:31:23,463 --> 02:31:24,264
wait two more weeks, I thought,

3757
02:31:24,264 --> 02:31:26,133
just to make sure we understand

3758
02:31:26,133 --> 02:31:27,768
it and we get it right. Of

3759
02:31:27,768 --> 02:31:30,768
these two proposals, I think,

3760
02:31:31,438 --> 02:31:33,730
you know, for me, what was

3761
02:31:33,730 --> 02:31:34,708
dictating my decision, and it's

3762
02:31:34,708 --> 02:31:36,770
not a unilateral decision, I

3763
02:31:36,770 --> 02:31:39,113
know up here at the board we

3764
02:31:39,113 --> 02:31:42,113
certainly show some deference to

3765
02:31:42,249 --> 02:31:43,684
the supervisor whose district a

3766
02:31:43,684 --> 02:31:45,186
proposal like this is located,

3767
02:31:45,186 --> 02:31:46,854
and because this is a community

3768
02:31:46,854 --> 02:31:48,922
that I've been raised in for the

3769
02:31:48,922 --> 02:31:50,558
past 60 years, this is a city

3770
02:31:50,558 --> 02:31:52,590
I've led both as a councilmember

3771
02:31:52,590 --> 02:31:53,560
and mayor. I think it's

3772
02:31:53,560 --> 02:31:55,696
uniquely important for me to

3773
02:31:55,696 --> 02:31:56,263
share my thoughts with my

3774
02:31:56,263 --> 02:31:59,263
colleagues as we make this

3775
02:31:59,700 --> 02:32:01,235
decision. So a lot of what was

3776
02:32:01,235 --> 02:32:02,869
important to me was making sure

3777
02:32:02,869 --> 02:32:05,500
that the county received a good

3778
02:32:05,500 --> 02:32:07,408
return on its investment because

3779
02:32:07,408 --> 02:32:08,342
we know we're going to have to

3780
02:32:08,342 --> 02:32:10,444
use proceeds from this

3781
02:32:10,444 --> 02:32:12,179
development to make sure that

3782
02:32:12,179 --> 02:32:15,179
our new healthcare agency where

3783
02:32:15,616 --> 02:32:18,160
we're relocating both the

3784
02:32:18,252 --> 02:32:20,488
clinical and the lab and the

3785
02:32:20,488 --> 02:32:21,789
front-facing part of the

3786
02:32:21,789 --> 02:32:22,390
healthcare agency are going to

3787
02:32:22,390 --> 02:32:24,390
continue operating strongly.

3788
02:32:24,424 --> 02:32:26,627
But I also wanted to make sure

3789
02:32:26,627 --> 02:32:28,663
that that was balanced with the

3790
02:32:28,663 --> 02:32:30,965
community benefits, that we know

3791
02:32:30,965 --> 02:32:31,566
are essential to santa ana

3792
02:32:31,566 --> 02:32:33,966
residents and central orange

3793
02:32:34,135 --> 02:32:36,437
county residents. So we also,

3794
02:32:36,437 --> 02:32:37,271
you know, took the time to meet

3795
02:32:37,271 --> 02:32:38,720
with the neighborhood

3796
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:40,472
association, which is riverview.

3797
02:32:42,577 --> 02:32:46,177
I want to thank martha molina

3798
02:32:46,347 --> 02:32:47,248
who leads that. I have known

3799
02:32:47,248 --> 02:32:50,318
martha, she was niece to former

3800
02:32:50,318 --> 02:32:52,586
supervisor and los angeles

3801
02:32:52,586 --> 02:32:53,955
county gloria molina, and so she

3802
02:32:53,955 --> 02:32:55,857
knows public agency work well.

3803
02:32:55,857 --> 02:32:58,920
We want to thank her for hosting

3804
02:32:58,920 --> 02:32:59,930
us and allowing to us hear and

3805
02:32:59,930 --> 02:33:00,361
listen from the neighborhood

3806
02:33:00,361 --> 02:33:02,290
what it is that they were

3807
02:33:02,290 --> 02:33:03,664
concerned with. As usual that I

3808
02:33:03,664 --> 02:33:04,899
could have predicted because I

3809
02:33:04,899 --> 02:33:05,533
know that one of the concerns

3810
02:33:05,533 --> 02:33:08,533
for any neighborhood in santa

3811
02:33:08,703 --> 02:33:11,873
ana is parking and impact and

3812
02:33:11,873 --> 02:33:13,307
saturation of others that MAY

3813
02:33:13,307 --> 02:33:16,907
make things a little bit more

3814
02:33:17,912 --> 02:33:18,646
dense in their neighborhood. So

3815
02:33:18,646 --> 02:33:20,214
that's important. But we also

3816
02:33:20,214 --> 02:33:21,115
want to make sure that we

3817
02:33:21,115 --> 02:33:23,150
understood what the college was

3818
02:33:23,150 --> 02:33:24,619
thinking because that is an

3819
02:33:24,619 --> 02:33:27,689
anchor stakeholder for all of us

3820
02:33:27,689 --> 02:33:29,223
as well. I want to thank both

3821
02:33:29,223 --> 02:33:30,924
proposers for meeting with the

3822
02:33:30,924 --> 02:33:32,359
college, meeting with the

3823
02:33:32,359 --> 02:33:34,759
neighborhood, meeting with the

3824
02:33:34,796 --> 02:33:35,597
city, and specifically with

3825
02:33:35,597 --> 02:33:37,997
councilmember jesse lopez, who

3826
02:33:37,998 --> 02:33:39,998
represents that ward.

3827
02:33:40,680 --> 02:33:41,636
Councilmember lopez is a very

3828
02:33:41,636 --> 02:33:44,171
strong advocate to make sure

3829
02:33:44,171 --> 02:33:45,707
that whatever's introduced into

3830
02:33:45,707 --> 02:33:47,609
her arrested this she represents

3831
02:33:47,609 --> 02:33:48,810
makes sense, it fits, and the

3832
02:33:48,810 --> 02:33:51,790
neighbors are going to be

3833
02:33:51,790 --> 02:33:53,781
supportive of that. So I want

3834
02:33:53,781 --> 02:33:57,819
to thank all of them. I also

3835
02:33:57,819 --> 02:33:59,554
want to thank both proposers for

3836
02:33:59,554 --> 02:34:02,423
considering the labor and union

3837
02:34:02,423 --> 02:34:05,627
aspect to this. I know that I

3838
02:34:05,627 --> 02:34:08,290
heard from both of you -- one

3839
02:34:08,290 --> 02:34:10,429
was talking about prevailing

3840
02:34:13,301 --> 02:34:15,602
wage. The other I know, tap,

3841
02:34:15,602 --> 02:34:18,572
made sure to offer up a date,

3842
02:34:18,572 --> 02:34:20,208
have a letter of interest with

3843
02:34:20,208 --> 02:34:22,376
the L.A. And orange county

3844
02:34:22,376 --> 02:34:24,445
business trades for a project

3845
02:34:24,445 --> 02:34:25,246
labor agreement. Those are

3846
02:34:25,246 --> 02:34:26,347
nuanced. They're a little

3847
02:34:26,347 --> 02:34:28,483
different. But to the extent

3848
02:34:28,483 --> 02:34:30,218
that they're important, to make

3849
02:34:30,218 --> 02:34:32,253
sure that this project will also

3850
02:34:32,253 --> 02:34:34,456
create jobs. And so that's

3851
02:34:34,456 --> 02:34:35,490
something that also is important

3852
02:34:35,490 --> 02:34:38,493
to me. So I want to thank you

3853
02:34:38,493 --> 02:34:39,794
for that. And I see andrew

3854
02:34:39,794 --> 02:34:42,263
gonzalez from the trades in the

3855
02:34:42,263 --> 02:34:44,566
audience and I also see doug

3856
02:34:44,566 --> 02:34:45,500
mangione. It's good to see both

3857
02:34:45,500 --> 02:34:49,700
of you. I thank you for take

3858
02:34:49,738 --> 02:34:50,839
the time to meet with both

3859
02:34:50,839 --> 02:34:54,109
proposals. So this is sort of

3860
02:34:54,109 --> 02:34:56,177
a -- this is the right dilemma

3861
02:34:56,177 --> 02:34:57,112
to have because we have two

3862
02:34:57,112 --> 02:34:59,214
strong proposals and two that

3863
02:34:59,214 --> 02:35:00,215
could do the work, two that are

3864
02:35:00,215 --> 02:35:02,500
viable, two that are

3865
02:35:02,500 --> 02:35:04,753
experienced. And I've had the

3866
02:35:04,753 --> 02:35:08,322
benefit of working with cnc over

3867
02:35:08,322 --> 02:35:09,224
the time -- over my years in is

3868
02:35:09,224 --> 02:35:10,859
a santa ana as a councilmember

3869
02:35:10,859 --> 02:35:12,928
and mayor. And their projects

3870
02:35:12,928 --> 02:35:13,895
are some of the most quality

3871
02:35:13,895 --> 02:35:16,295
projects that you'll find

3872
02:35:16,598 --> 02:35:18,333
anywhere. But uniquely, when

3873
02:35:18,333 --> 02:35:19,301
affordability and affordable

3874
02:35:19,301 --> 02:35:20,769
housing is something that was

3875
02:35:20,769 --> 02:35:23,305
questioned by others and said

3876
02:35:23,305 --> 02:35:24,405
that's going to be substandard,

3877
02:35:24,405 --> 02:35:26,108
low-income housing, project

3878
02:35:26,108 --> 02:35:27,743
housing, they show that that's

3879
02:35:27,743 --> 02:35:30,143
not the case. Affordable

3880
02:35:30,679 --> 02:35:32,280
housing is no different than

3881
02:35:32,280 --> 02:35:32,914
market-rate housing.

3882
02:35:32,914 --> 02:35:34,882
Indistinguishable residents done

3883
02:35:34,882 --> 02:35:36,351
well. So that provided the

3884
02:35:36,351 --> 02:35:37,753
dignity to our working families

3885
02:35:37,753 --> 02:35:38,954
to make sure that they could

3886
02:35:38,954 --> 02:35:41,890
live in the communities that

3887
02:35:41,890 --> 02:35:41,690
they worked in. I want to thank

3888
02:35:41,690 --> 02:35:43,240
them for all of the work that

3889
02:35:43,240 --> 02:35:45,394
they've done in the city that I

3890
02:35:45,394 --> 02:35:46,862
grew up in and in the area that

3891
02:35:46,862 --> 02:35:48,296
I now represent. So that

3892
02:35:48,296 --> 02:35:50,365
dilemma, you know, the dilemma

3893
02:35:50,365 --> 02:35:52,100
of being able to blend these two

3894
02:35:52,100 --> 02:35:55,202
was tough. I want to say, you

3895
02:35:55,202 --> 02:35:58,340
know, it took a lot of

3896
02:35:58,340 --> 02:36:00,608
discussion with our team and

3897
02:36:00,608 --> 02:36:02,843
with just the community. But I

3898
02:36:02,843 --> 02:36:04,546
think while both proposals are

3899
02:36:04,546 --> 02:36:06,946
viable, I think taps

3900
02:36:07,983 --> 02:36:10,383
conventional financing offers a

3901
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:13,655
more risk averifies predictable

3902
02:36:13,655 --> 02:36:14,422
path forward and appears more

3903
02:36:14,422 --> 02:36:17,192
beneficial to the county and

3904
02:36:17,192 --> 02:36:19,930
will provide a long, stronger

3905
02:36:19,930 --> 02:36:21,830
long-term revenue to the county.

3906
02:36:21,830 --> 02:36:23,432
I know that the revenue we can

3907
02:36:23,432 --> 02:36:25,000
change, we can front load it, we

3908
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:25,868
can make it bounce. My opinion

3909
02:36:25,868 --> 02:36:29,738
is that we keep it long term.

3910
02:36:29,738 --> 02:36:30,439
We keep it consistent, level of

3911
02:36:30,439 --> 02:36:31,373
funding rather than

3912
02:36:31,373 --> 02:36:32,741
fronted-loading it. I think

3913
02:36:32,741 --> 02:36:34,476
that's not necessary in my

3914
02:36:34,476 --> 02:36:36,779
opinion but can certainly leave

3915
02:36:36,779 --> 02:36:37,713
the adjusted. We're not going

3916
02:36:37,713 --> 02:36:39,148
to do any negotiations from here

3917
02:36:39,148 --> 02:36:41,750
in the dais simply just to give

3918
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:44,386
some direction. So I do think

3919
02:36:44,386 --> 02:36:46,588
that, you know, the way that the

3920
02:36:46,588 --> 02:36:48,223
revenues can be done over time,

3921
02:36:48,223 --> 02:36:49,724
I think makes sense to me.

3922
02:36:49,724 --> 02:36:53,324
Taking all this into account, I

3923
02:36:55,970 --> 02:36:57,966
do believe that the staff

3924
02:36:57,966 --> 02:37:00,135
recommendation for tap bfr is

3925
02:37:00,135 --> 02:37:01,970
the stronger of the two,

3926
02:37:01,970 --> 02:37:03,272
although, I know if we're not

3927
02:37:03,272 --> 02:37:05,507
able to negotiate the terms that

3928
02:37:05,507 --> 02:37:08,177
I will recite, from my nan

3929
02:37:08,177 --> 02:37:11,113
should be included and MAY be

3930
02:37:11,113 --> 02:37:13,282
revised in their proposal -- we

3931
02:37:13,282 --> 02:37:15,117
certainly have a back-up order

3932
02:37:15,117 --> 02:37:18,860
that would easily and seamlessly

3933
02:37:18,860 --> 02:37:19,755
be able to pick up the with a

3934
02:37:19,755 --> 02:37:21,890
fon and go from there. Some of

3935
02:37:21,890 --> 02:37:23,892
the things I think I've seen

3936
02:37:23,892 --> 02:37:25,427
from tap's proposal would be

3937
02:37:25,427 --> 02:37:26,528
discussed as real estate

3938
02:37:26,528 --> 02:37:28,528
negotiating terms and

3939
02:37:30,565 --> 02:37:32,965
provisions, to explore deeper

3940
02:37:33,201 --> 02:37:34,136
affordability, and a lower and

3941
02:37:34,136 --> 02:37:35,637
more profound ami. That is

3942
02:37:35,637 --> 02:37:38,140
important in santa ana. I know

3943
02:37:38,140 --> 02:37:40,175
that for me, there are many

3944
02:37:40,175 --> 02:37:42,611
develops that we have that are

3945
02:37:42,611 --> 02:37:43,913
30% ami. People -- and for some

3946
02:37:43,913 --> 02:37:46,248
people in santa ana, that's

3947
02:37:46,248 --> 02:37:47,850
still too expensive. So we need

3948
02:37:47,850 --> 02:37:49,618
to make sure that there is some

3949
02:37:49,618 --> 02:37:52,388
of that here. We also want to

3950
02:37:52,388 --> 02:37:54,824
make sure that these units, the

3951
02:37:54,824 --> 02:37:56,959
unit mix is more accessible for

3952
02:37:56,959 --> 02:37:58,760
families. There are families

3953
02:37:58,760 --> 02:38:01,497
that are large in the city that

3954
02:38:01,497 --> 02:38:02,732
don't fit into a suite or into a

3955
02:38:02,732 --> 02:38:04,599
one-bedroom. So we want to make

3956
02:38:04,599 --> 02:38:06,369
sure that we have a better mix

3957
02:38:06,369 --> 02:38:09,472
of units that include two and

3958
02:38:09,472 --> 02:38:11,207
three bedrooms. We also want

3959
02:38:11,207 --> 02:38:14,110
to, you know, say that this

3960
02:38:14,110 --> 02:38:15,277
could be accomplished through

3961
02:38:15,277 --> 02:38:17,677
maybe increasing density a

3962
02:38:17,880 --> 02:38:20,149
little bit because I know that

3963
02:38:20,149 --> 02:38:20,783
the tap proposal is for 300

3964
02:38:20,783 --> 02:38:22,783
units.

3965
02:38:24,530 --> 02:38:26,222
I know that the cnc waterford is

3966
02:38:26,222 --> 02:38:27,890
three 60. So I think there's

3967
02:38:27,890 --> 02:38:29,892
some -- 360. So I think there's

3968
02:38:29,892 --> 02:38:31,590
some room for opening up and

3969
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:32,961
adding some additional units to

3970
02:38:32,961 --> 02:38:35,264
the tap proposal, as well. And

3971
02:38:35,264 --> 02:38:38,567
parking, which, as I said, a

3972
02:38:38,567 --> 02:38:39,302
critical part of this, that the

3973
02:38:39,302 --> 02:38:40,802
neighborhood, the city I'm sure

3974
02:38:40,802 --> 02:38:42,338
will be concerned with, is to

3975
02:38:42,338 --> 02:38:45,474
make sure that the ratio is one

3976
02:38:45,474 --> 02:38:48,611
that is viable and won't have

3977
02:38:48,611 --> 02:38:50,513
any sort of saturation into the

3978
02:38:50,513 --> 02:38:51,848
adjacent riverview neighborhood.

3979
02:38:51,848 --> 02:38:53,783
So those things are important.

3980
02:38:53,783 --> 02:38:57,520
I know that maybe some of those

3981
02:38:57,520 --> 02:38:59,222
requests will change the pro

3982
02:38:59,222 --> 02:39:00,656
forma for tap, hopefully it

3983
02:39:00,656 --> 02:39:03,659
won't. I think have you some

3984
02:39:03,659 --> 02:39:04,260
room to increase the unit size

3985
02:39:04,260 --> 02:39:06,950
and incorporate some of these

3986
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:08,798
changes. But I do think what it

3987
02:39:08,798 --> 02:39:10,765
does is it is tailored better to

3988
02:39:10,765 --> 02:39:13,168
the community that this is being

3989
02:39:13,168 --> 02:39:14,470
introduced into. So I hope

3990
02:39:14,470 --> 02:39:16,204
you -- you're able to work with

3991
02:39:16,204 --> 02:39:20,404
our team and our staff to make

3992
02:39:21,577 --> 02:39:22,979
sure that that is accomplished

3993
02:39:22,979 --> 02:39:23,946
and I just want to say this

3994
02:39:23,946 --> 02:39:26,946
hasn't been a simple decision.

3995
02:39:27,449 --> 02:39:30,530
But what sort of gives me some,

3996
02:39:30,530 --> 02:39:31,454
you know, some sort of pause and

3997
02:39:31,454 --> 02:39:32,922
able to go forward is that I

3998
02:39:32,922 --> 02:39:34,690
know if we're not able to work

3999
02:39:34,690 --> 02:39:36,825
something out with one team, the

4000
02:39:36,825 --> 02:39:38,294
other team can step right in

4001
02:39:38,294 --> 02:39:39,862
seamlessly, again, to be able to

4002
02:39:39,862 --> 02:39:41,698
go ahead and fit this. And I'm

4003
02:39:41,698 --> 02:39:42,464
just glad that this development

4004
02:39:42,464 --> 02:39:43,933
is going to be going forward.

4005
02:39:43,933 --> 02:39:45,301
It's been a while. So I know

4006
02:39:45,301 --> 02:39:46,836
that one of the things I think

4007
02:39:46,836 --> 02:39:48,471
up here that we've been trying

4008
02:39:48,471 --> 02:39:50,373
to do is make sure that our

4009
02:39:50,373 --> 02:39:52,208
dormant sort of, you know,

4010
02:39:52,208 --> 02:39:54,608
underperforming sites were able

4011
02:39:54,843 --> 02:39:56,979
to, you know, start triggering

4012
02:39:56,979 --> 02:39:58,781
them so they can start helping

4013
02:39:58,781 --> 02:40:00,216
generate some revenue. We're

4014
02:40:00,216 --> 02:40:01,840
not in the profit-making

4015
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:02,785
business. We're in the business

4016
02:40:02,785 --> 02:40:05,321
of making sure we have funds so

4017
02:40:05,321 --> 02:40:07,957
we can deliver resources and

4018
02:40:07,957 --> 02:40:09,159
services that we know we all

4019
02:40:09,159 --> 02:40:10,593
want. And in these days, you

4020
02:40:10,593 --> 02:40:12,929
know, that is getting very

4021
02:40:12,929 --> 02:40:14,330
tricky. So with that,

4022
02:40:14,330 --> 02:40:16,466
MR. Chair, I'm going to be

4023
02:40:16,466 --> 02:40:16,965
moving and recommending the

4024
02:40:16,965 --> 02:40:17,534
staff's recommendation.

4025
02:40:17,534 --> 02:40:19,934
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

4026
02:40:20,236 --> 02:40:21,838
you. Vice-chair.

4027
02:40:21,838 --> 02:40:23,440
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

4028
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:25,740
have some questions. I just

4029
02:40:25,740 --> 02:40:27,176
wanted to get some

4030
02:40:27,176 --> 02:40:28,711
clarification. I'll start by

4031
02:40:28,711 --> 02:40:31,140
saying I think both proposals

4032
02:40:31,140 --> 02:40:34,614
are excellent, and so we have

4033
02:40:36,285 --> 02:40:39,885
good options on the table. With

4034
02:40:41,570 --> 02:40:44,570
regard to the staff recommended

4035
02:40:44,995 --> 02:40:47,397
proposal, the surplus land act

4036
02:40:47,397 --> 02:40:49,797
exemption requires a 300-unit

4037
02:40:51,234 --> 02:40:53,470
minimum with 25% of the units at

4038
02:40:53,470 --> 02:40:55,604
60% ami, as I understand it.

4039
02:40:55,604 --> 02:40:56,973
And MR. Miller, are you the one

4040
02:40:56,973 --> 02:40:59,973
to answer these questions? Who

4041
02:41:04,848 --> 02:41:07,317
can answer? I just want to

4042
02:41:07,317 --> 02:41:08,785
confirm that the ami levels for

4043
02:41:08,785 --> 02:41:11,185
the affordable limits comply

4044
02:41:12,656 --> 02:41:13,990
with the surplus land act

4045
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:16,226
exemption because the staff

4046
02:41:16,226 --> 02:41:19,826
report did not address -- it

4047
02:41:20,263 --> 02:41:22,663
just simply says "affordable."

4048
02:41:23,299 --> 02:41:24,234
>>speaker: so supervisor foley,

4049
02:41:24,234 --> 02:41:27,234
matt miller, chief real estate

4050
02:41:27,337 --> 02:41:30,240
officer. The surplus land act

4051
02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:31,575
exemption that was used, the

4052
02:41:31,575 --> 02:41:33,310
board approved a resolution, I

4053
02:41:33,310 --> 02:41:36,346
believe, it was on MAY 20th

4054
02:41:36,346 --> 02:41:38,815
when we released the asr. The

4055
02:41:38,815 --> 02:41:41,215
exemption is for 25% affordable.

4056
02:41:42,419 --> 02:41:43,320
I don't believe the surplus land

4057
02:41:43,320 --> 02:41:45,221
act has a specific dictate on

4058
02:41:45,221 --> 02:41:45,856
the levels of affordability.

4059
02:41:45,856 --> 02:41:47,691
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: can

4060
02:41:47,691 --> 02:41:49,559
someone look that up, because

4061
02:41:49,559 --> 02:41:51,762
it's my understanding it's at

4062
02:41:51,762 --> 02:41:53,230
60% ami. And I just want to

4063
02:41:53,230 --> 02:41:56,830
make sure that the proposal has

4064
02:41:59,302 --> 02:42:02,302
built that into the financial

4065
02:42:05,575 --> 02:42:07,770
projections. Okay. And then

4066
02:42:07,770 --> 02:42:10,814
the other question I have is as

4067
02:42:10,814 --> 02:42:11,748
it relates to the -- you know,

4068
02:42:11,748 --> 02:42:14,148
the leveraging of different

4069
02:42:18,655 --> 02:42:20,324
bills, we have ab 2011,

4070
02:42:20,324 --> 02:42:21,558
ab 2022 -- 2243, which requires

4071
02:42:21,558 --> 02:42:22,459
prevailing wage and labor

4072
02:42:22,459 --> 02:42:23,600
requirements on this project,

4073
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:24,161
correct?

4074
02:42:24,161 --> 02:42:25,495
>>speaker: I believe so.

4075
02:42:25,495 --> 02:42:27,831
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4076
02:42:27,831 --> 02:42:28,865
So maybe this is a question for

4077
02:42:28,865 --> 02:42:31,865
the applicant or the bidder,

4078
02:42:33,360 --> 02:42:36,360
rather. Has -- have the

4079
02:42:37,107 --> 02:42:38,641
financial assumptions taken into

4080
02:42:38,641 --> 02:42:40,244
consideration the prevailing

4081
02:42:40,244 --> 02:42:41,178
wage labor requirements?

4082
02:42:41,178 --> 02:42:43,246
>>speaker: our understanding is

4083
02:42:43,246 --> 02:42:44,181
that both of the proposers took

4084
02:42:44,181 --> 02:42:46,917
that into account. They were

4085
02:42:46,917 --> 02:42:47,184
asked that during the interview

4086
02:42:47,184 --> 02:42:47,851
process.

4087
02:42:47,851 --> 02:42:50,851
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay,

4088
02:42:53,723 --> 02:42:56,293
great. And then I have a

4089
02:42:56,293 --> 02:42:59,293
question for true america. Are

4090
02:43:11,709 --> 02:43:13,420
they here?

4091
02:43:13,420 --> 02:43:15,145
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: you

4092
02:43:15,145 --> 02:43:15,612
can confirm that your financial

4093
02:43:15,612 --> 02:43:16,880
projections take into

4094
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:18,880
consideration the prevailing

4095
02:43:19,216 --> 02:43:20,851
wage and labor requirements?

4096
02:43:20,851 --> 02:43:21,518
>>speaker: yes, ma'am.

4097
02:43:21,518 --> 02:43:23,530
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

4098
02:43:23,530 --> 02:43:26,560
secondly, have you ever done a

4099
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:27,691
project with 40% affordable

4100
02:43:27,691 --> 02:43:30,910
without leveraging tax credits

4101
02:43:31,227 --> 02:43:32,562
or bonds? Not you, but your

4102
02:43:32,562 --> 02:43:33,764
client or partnership?

4103
02:43:33,764 --> 02:43:35,232
>>speaker: you can repeat the

4104
02:43:35,232 --> 02:43:35,866
question? I'm sorry.

4105
02:43:35,866 --> 02:43:38,401
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,

4106
02:43:38,401 --> 02:43:42,601
you said that you are not going

4107
02:43:43,573 --> 02:43:47,173
to rely on what you called

4108
02:43:47,678 --> 02:43:50,514
subsidies which is -- subsidies

4109
02:43:50,514 --> 02:43:52,914
which is typically public

4110
02:43:52,983 --> 02:43:54,718
financing or a tax voucher

4111
02:43:54,718 --> 02:43:57,860
program. Has your client built

4112
02:43:57,860 --> 02:43:59,486
a 40% affordable project without

4113
02:43:59,657 --> 02:44:00,224
relying on tax credits before?

4114
02:44:00,224 --> 02:44:02,225
>>speaker: true america was

4115
02:44:02,225 --> 02:44:04,361
founded on missing middle. And

4116
02:44:04,361 --> 02:44:07,961
we have a number of communities

4117
02:44:09,666 --> 02:44:10,434
in our portfolio that we have

4118
02:44:10,434 --> 02:44:12,834
bought and renovated and

4119
02:44:13,570 --> 02:44:15,172
developed that are 100%

4120
02:44:15,172 --> 02:44:17,474
affordable even that do not have

4121
02:44:17,474 --> 02:44:18,842
the tax credits and bonds.

4122
02:44:18,842 --> 02:44:19,777
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: but

4123
02:44:19,777 --> 02:44:22,777
we're talking built from the

4124
02:44:22,780 --> 02:44:23,781
ground up project, not an

4125
02:44:23,781 --> 02:44:26,181
existing conversion. So have

4126
02:44:26,850 --> 02:44:31,500
you ever done a build from the

4127
02:44:31,188 --> 02:44:32,790
ground-up project that has 40%

4128
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:34,790
affordable that isn't

4129
02:44:35,925 --> 02:44:38,161
reliability on tax credits or

4130
02:44:38,161 --> 02:44:40,798
public financing in any way?

4131
02:44:40,798 --> 02:44:44,398
>>speaker: no. We have a number

4132
02:44:44,435 --> 02:44:47,204
of these that we own and we're

4133
02:44:47,204 --> 02:44:50,204
building some right now. And

4134
02:44:50,474 --> 02:44:54,674
there is -- there are a number

4135
02:44:54,845 --> 02:44:57,181
of programs for financing these.

4136
02:44:57,181 --> 02:44:59,482
It's fairly common today, but

4137
02:44:59,482 --> 02:45:01,919
was, you know, less common

4138
02:45:01,919 --> 02:45:04,855
before there was such a need for

4139
02:45:04,855 --> 02:45:05,890
this type of missing middle

4140
02:45:05,890 --> 02:45:06,390
housing.

4141
02:45:06,390 --> 02:45:07,158
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4142
02:45:07,158 --> 02:45:09,158
So --

4143
02:45:09,626 --> 02:45:12,626
>>speaker: and we have built

4144
02:45:14,865 --> 02:45:16,267
some projects that are

4145
02:45:16,267 --> 02:45:18,667
affordable, that have regulatory

4146
02:45:19,737 --> 02:45:21,139
agreements on them, that are not

4147
02:45:21,139 --> 02:45:23,274
financed with credits and bonds.

4148
02:45:23,274 --> 02:45:23,441
But not exactly in the same 40%

4149
02:45:23,441 --> 02:45:24,750
mix.

4150
02:45:24,750 --> 02:45:25,943
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: when

4151
02:45:25,943 --> 02:45:28,120
you say missing middle, what's

4152
02:45:28,120 --> 02:45:29,480
the ami that you are assuming?

4153
02:45:29,480 --> 02:45:30,515
>>speaker: missing middle is

4154
02:45:30,515 --> 02:45:31,182
generally 80 to 100.

4155
02:45:31,182 --> 02:45:32,950
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4156
02:45:32,950 --> 02:45:35,485
So that's why I want to get the

4157
02:45:35,485 --> 02:45:37,621
answer to this question on the

4158
02:45:37,621 --> 02:45:38,222
surplus land act exemption

4159
02:45:38,222 --> 02:45:40,424
because it's my understanding

4160
02:45:40,424 --> 02:45:42,560
that it's 60%. So I just want

4161
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:43,561
to make sure -- and maybe I'm

4162
02:45:43,561 --> 02:45:44,796
wrong. But I want to --

4163
02:45:44,796 --> 02:45:46,397
>>speaker: I believe there's

4164
02:45:46,397 --> 02:45:48,833
some nuance to it because

4165
02:45:48,833 --> 02:45:50,833
there's different definitions

4166
02:45:51,936 --> 02:45:54,720
with hcd versus tcac, of what

4167
02:45:54,720 --> 02:45:57,750
the affordable rents are. If I

4168
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:59,475
recall correctly, the surplus

4169
02:45:59,510 --> 02:46:03,110
land act was 70% but I would

4170
02:46:03,381 --> 02:46:04,949
defer to matt miller. All of

4171
02:46:04,949 --> 02:46:07,949
our rents are underwritten to

4172
02:46:08,585 --> 02:46:10,985
approximately 70% ami even the

4173
02:46:11,550 --> 02:46:13,191
1/3 deed restricted to 80% ami.

4174
02:46:13,191 --> 02:46:15,293
And we will commit with our

4175
02:46:15,293 --> 02:46:18,893
proposal to making sure that if

4176
02:46:20,965 --> 02:46:22,366
we -- that we -- if we need any

4177
02:46:22,366 --> 02:46:24,366
additional affordability to

4178
02:46:24,702 --> 02:46:26,337
comply with, you know, the

4179
02:46:26,337 --> 02:46:27,938
current or any future

4180
02:46:27,938 --> 02:46:30,675
definitions of the state surplus

4181
02:46:30,675 --> 02:46:32,977
land act that we'll follow that.

4182
02:46:32,977 --> 02:46:35,313
We do believe that our proposal

4183
02:46:35,313 --> 02:46:37,480
does meet the surplus land act

4184
02:46:37,480 --> 02:46:37,915
but if there needed to be a

4185
02:46:37,915 --> 02:46:38,810
change, we could commit to do

4186
02:46:38,810 --> 02:46:38,683
so.

4187
02:46:38,683 --> 02:46:39,550
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

4188
02:46:39,550 --> 02:46:40,884
the reason I'm asking these

4189
02:46:40,884 --> 02:46:41,786
questions is because the

4190
02:46:41,786 --> 02:46:43,786
financials, they're very

4191
02:46:44,721 --> 02:46:46,291
positive, okay. So that is a

4192
02:46:46,291 --> 02:46:49,291
key consideration for us up

4193
02:46:49,360 --> 02:46:52,960
here. And so if the financials

4194
02:46:53,131 --> 02:46:56,670
are based on false assumptions

4195
02:46:56,670 --> 02:46:56,601
or maybe it's slightly off

4196
02:46:56,601 --> 02:46:57,869
assumptions, then it might

4197
02:46:57,869 --> 02:46:59,370
change the whole financial

4198
02:46:59,370 --> 02:47:02,970
outcome, right. So I just want

4199
02:47:03,108 --> 02:47:06,708
to make sure. And then there

4200
02:47:06,745 --> 02:47:08,546
was a section in your option

4201
02:47:08,546 --> 02:47:10,815
term that I understand was for

4202
02:47:10,815 --> 02:47:13,815
up to 30 months. What's the

4203
02:47:15,387 --> 02:47:17,588
reason that you need that?

4204
02:47:17,588 --> 02:47:20,588
>>speaker: supervisor, so we are

4205
02:47:22,360 --> 02:47:22,960
required to negotiate our --

4206
02:47:22,960 --> 02:47:26,560
comply with our lease and the

4207
02:47:26,798 --> 02:47:28,233
terms of the option which

4208
02:47:28,233 --> 02:47:29,267
includes due diligence on the

4209
02:47:29,267 --> 02:47:32,267
site, possibly demolition of the

4210
02:47:32,970 --> 02:47:35,206
site during the option period.

4211
02:47:35,206 --> 02:47:37,700
We have to put together our

4212
02:47:37,700 --> 02:47:39,210
financing for our construction

4213
02:47:39,210 --> 02:47:41,546
loan and do all this in

4214
02:47:41,546 --> 02:47:42,881
conjunction with the county.

4215
02:47:42,881 --> 02:47:45,881
>>speaker: and also -- sorry.

4216
02:47:46,618 --> 02:47:49,220
And also in conjunction with the

4217
02:47:49,220 --> 02:47:51,220
city approval process,

4218
02:47:52,190 --> 02:47:54,190
neighborhood outreach, community

4219
02:47:54,626 --> 02:47:55,560
input. And we will be able to

4220
02:47:55,560 --> 02:47:58,330
go through that process while

4221
02:47:58,330 --> 02:48:01,930
we're going through the -- you

4222
02:48:02,834 --> 02:48:05,136
know, the ab2011 2243 process.

4223
02:48:05,136 --> 02:48:07,339
But we need to do a certain

4224
02:48:07,339 --> 02:48:07,739
amount of that outreach up front

4225
02:48:07,739 --> 02:48:08,340
before we submit.

4226
02:48:08,340 --> 02:48:09,241
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

4227
02:48:09,241 --> 02:48:12,241
the reason I'm asking that

4228
02:48:15,747 --> 02:48:16,247
question is because, as

4229
02:48:16,247 --> 02:48:16,847
indicated by supervisor

4230
02:48:16,847 --> 02:48:19,184
sarmiento, we have a lot of

4231
02:48:19,184 --> 02:48:19,918
these parcels in the county

4232
02:48:19,918 --> 02:48:21,453
where they're entitled and not

4233
02:48:21,453 --> 02:48:25,530
being developed. So we have all

4234
02:48:25,157 --> 02:48:26,625
of these options out there that

4235
02:48:26,625 --> 02:48:27,492
everyone seems to keep securing

4236
02:48:27,492 --> 02:48:28,526
and meanwhile we don't get the

4237
02:48:28,526 --> 02:48:29,861
benefit of the development for

4238
02:48:29,861 --> 02:48:32,970
the county. And so that's --

4239
02:48:32,970 --> 02:48:33,310
you know, I'm not interested in

4240
02:48:33,310 --> 02:48:36,310
having some long option term

4241
02:48:36,802 --> 02:48:38,336
more than what I understand the

4242
02:48:38,336 --> 02:48:39,137
process -- you need about a year

4243
02:48:39,137 --> 02:48:41,940
to get through the city and

4244
02:48:41,940 --> 02:48:44,342
county process in terms of the

4245
02:48:44,342 --> 02:48:45,978
entitlement process. So just

4246
02:48:45,978 --> 02:48:47,412
curious. It doesn't have to do

4247
02:48:47,412 --> 02:48:49,810
with financing; it's more about

4248
02:48:49,810 --> 02:48:51,250
the entitlement. Is that what

4249
02:48:51,250 --> 02:48:51,717
you're saying?

4250
02:48:51,717 --> 02:48:52,384
>>speaker: yes, ma'am.

4251
02:48:52,384 --> 02:48:55,384
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4252
02:48:56,522 --> 02:48:57,756
All right. And then the --

4253
02:48:57,756 --> 02:48:59,724
would the county be responsible

4254
02:48:59,724 --> 02:49:02,126
for the demolition, the cost of

4255
02:49:02,126 --> 02:49:05,970
the demolition for your proposal

4256
02:49:05,970 --> 02:49:06,665
or would you take that cost on?

4257
02:49:06,665 --> 02:49:08,330
>>speaker: this was addressed

4258
02:49:08,330 --> 02:49:10,433
during the interview process.

4259
02:49:10,535 --> 02:49:11,870
At this time, there are -- has

4260
02:49:11,870 --> 02:49:13,272
not been any environmental

4261
02:49:13,272 --> 02:49:15,107
testing of the building. So we

4262
02:49:15,107 --> 02:49:16,575
would need to do some

4263
02:49:16,575 --> 02:49:17,408
environmental testing of the

4264
02:49:17,408 --> 02:49:18,443
building before we could

4265
02:49:18,443 --> 02:49:21,443
estimate what those costs would

4266
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:24,116
be. And we are willing to take

4267
02:49:24,116 --> 02:49:26,116
responsibility for the

4268
02:49:26,552 --> 02:49:28,854
demolition and the cost but we

4269
02:49:28,854 --> 02:49:30,489
would need to do some kind of

4270
02:49:30,489 --> 02:49:31,990
adjustment or reimbursement

4271
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:33,992
process because today we can't

4272
02:49:33,992 --> 02:49:35,627
really estimate whether there

4273
02:49:35,627 --> 02:49:36,595
needs to be abatement or, you

4274
02:49:36,595 --> 02:49:38,763
know, removal of hazardous

4275
02:49:38,763 --> 02:49:40,265
materials or what that might

4276
02:49:40,265 --> 02:49:41,700
cost. We are willing to take on

4277
02:49:41,700 --> 02:49:43,700
the financial obligation,

4278
02:49:45,738 --> 02:49:46,605
though, once we've been able to

4279
02:49:46,605 --> 02:49:47,273
diligence the item.

4280
02:49:47,273 --> 02:49:48,974
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: so

4281
02:49:48,974 --> 02:49:50,808
that hasn't been included in

4282
02:49:50,808 --> 02:49:51,242
your financial projections yet.

4283
02:49:51,242 --> 02:49:51,910
>>speaker: correct.

4284
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:53,412
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4285
02:49:53,412 --> 02:49:56,412
And then you heard supervisor

4286
02:49:57,783 --> 02:49:59,617
sarmiento request additional

4287
02:49:59,617 --> 02:50:01,617
affordability, larger units,

4288
02:50:01,887 --> 02:50:03,155
more two bedrooms, three

4289
02:50:03,155 --> 02:50:06,492
bedrooms. I think there was a

4290
02:50:06,492 --> 02:50:08,794
request for parking. Would that

4291
02:50:08,794 --> 02:50:09,495
change the financial

4292
02:50:09,495 --> 02:50:11,130
projections?

4293
02:50:11,130 --> 02:50:13,130
>>speaker: not significantly.

4294
02:50:13,132 --> 02:50:15,734
We have been working on some

4295
02:50:15,734 --> 02:50:18,803
schemes to look at changing the

4296
02:50:18,803 --> 02:50:20,906
unit mix. We might have to

4297
02:50:20,906 --> 02:50:21,740
reduce the retail commercial

4298
02:50:21,740 --> 02:50:23,740
component slightly to

4299
02:50:23,843 --> 02:50:26,545
accommodate more units or larger

4300
02:50:26,545 --> 02:50:27,713
units. But we've believe we can

4301
02:50:27,713 --> 02:50:27,947
do it without significant

4302
02:50:27,947 --> 02:50:28,614
changes.

4303
02:50:28,614 --> 02:50:29,682
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: my

4304
02:50:29,682 --> 02:50:33,520
last question four, and then I

4305
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:34,153
have a question for the other

4306
02:50:34,153 --> 02:50:36,553
bidder. You indicatedded that

4307
02:50:37,189 --> 02:50:40,789
you have the support of the

4308
02:50:41,460 --> 02:50:42,361
building trades. Do you have a

4309
02:50:42,361 --> 02:50:44,563
project laborer agreement that

4310
02:50:44,563 --> 02:50:46,899
you've already entered into?

4311
02:50:46,899 --> 02:50:48,634
>>speaker: we have a draft

4312
02:50:48,634 --> 02:50:50,235
project laborer agreement and a

4313
02:50:50,235 --> 02:50:51,537
signed letter of intent that

4314
02:50:51,537 --> 02:50:52,271
we've entered into.

4315
02:50:52,271 --> 02:50:53,272
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4316
02:50:53,272 --> 02:50:56,808
Great. Thank you. And I have a

4317
02:50:56,808 --> 02:51:00,408
question for the other -- the

4318
02:51:10,156 --> 02:51:10,957
representative, MR. Caudle.

4319
02:51:10,957 --> 02:51:12,524
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

4320
02:51:12,524 --> 02:51:13,893
mentioned you have a project

4321
02:51:13,893 --> 02:51:16,229
labor agreement. I'm not sure

4322
02:51:16,229 --> 02:51:17,630
how you said it, but do you have

4323
02:51:17,630 --> 02:51:18,264
an agreement with the building

4324
02:51:18,264 --> 02:51:18,865
trades as well.

4325
02:51:18,865 --> 02:51:21,667
>>speaker: we are planning on

4326
02:51:21,667 --> 02:51:23,102
with the ab 2011 using

4327
02:51:23,102 --> 02:51:25,438
prevailing wages within the

4328
02:51:25,438 --> 02:51:27,907
project. I'll let shaun rawson

4329
02:51:27,907 --> 02:51:28,474
with waterford speak to where we

4330
02:51:28,474 --> 02:51:29,775
are.

4331
02:51:29,775 --> 02:51:30,943
>>speaker: we have a draft

4332
02:51:30,943 --> 02:51:33,613
letter of intent that is recent

4333
02:51:33,613 --> 02:51:37,213
as of this morning, got approved

4334
02:51:37,550 --> 02:51:38,584
by our bond counsel, and let

4335
02:51:38,584 --> 02:51:41,584
andrew gonzalez snow that with

4336
02:51:41,887 --> 02:51:44,887
the trades that that was

4337
02:51:45,157 --> 02:51:46,580
approved. It is not signed.

4338
02:51:46,580 --> 02:51:49,280
But we are committed to working

4339
02:51:49,280 --> 02:51:52,628
with labor. We met with labor,

4340
02:51:52,832 --> 02:51:55,567
with the trades in layuna, so

4341
02:51:55,567 --> 02:51:57,436
josh lafarge and andrew, and

4342
02:51:57,436 --> 02:51:59,171
we've committed to, that but we

4343
02:51:59,171 --> 02:52:00,730
do not have a signed letter of

4344
02:52:00,730 --> 02:52:00,740
intent as of today.

4345
02:52:00,740 --> 02:52:03,800
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4346
02:52:03,800 --> 02:52:04,900
Thank you for that. And as it

4347
02:52:04,900 --> 02:52:05,379
relates to the affordability,

4348
02:52:05,379 --> 02:52:07,380
and you heard my questions for

4349
02:52:07,380 --> 02:52:10,380
the other bird, does your

4350
02:52:11,250 --> 02:52:12,986
project comply with this surplus

4351
02:52:12,986 --> 02:52:15,188
land act exemption as it relates

4352
02:52:15,188 --> 02:52:15,521
to the affordability

4353
02:52:15,521 --> 02:52:15,989
requirements?

4354
02:52:15,989 --> 02:52:16,990
>>speaker: it's our

4355
02:52:16,990 --> 02:52:17,223
understanding that it does

4356
02:52:17,223 --> 02:52:18,323
comply.

4357
02:52:18,323 --> 02:52:21,323
>>speaker: and what is your

4358
02:52:21,961 --> 02:52:22,228
understanding of how it

4359
02:52:22,228 --> 02:52:24,228
complies?

4360
02:52:24,397 --> 02:52:25,298
>>speaker: so we have within our

4361
02:52:25,298 --> 02:52:27,298
affordability, within the

4362
02:52:28,234 --> 02:52:31,834
project, we have 36 units at --

4363
02:52:32,710 --> 02:52:35,800
up to 50% of ami, 91 units up to

4364
02:52:35,800 --> 02:52:36,509
80% of ami. It's our

4365
02:52:36,509 --> 02:52:37,110
understanding that we're meeting

4366
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:39,312
that requirement within those

4367
02:52:39,312 --> 02:52:41,447
units for that 25% as a minimum

4368
02:52:41,447 --> 02:52:41,981
requirement through the surplus

4369
02:52:41,981 --> 02:52:42,882
land act.

4370
02:52:42,882 --> 02:52:45,718
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4371
02:52:45,718 --> 02:52:47,686
And then you heard -- well, I

4372
02:52:47,686 --> 02:52:49,755
don't know what supervisor

4373
02:52:49,755 --> 02:52:52,755
sarmiento thinks about -- I

4374
02:52:53,593 --> 02:52:54,326
don't know if there's any more

4375
02:52:54,326 --> 02:52:55,361
affordability required for him.

4376
02:52:55,361 --> 02:52:56,796
You heard, though, that there

4377
02:52:56,796 --> 02:52:58,264
was a concern about the

4378
02:52:58,264 --> 02:53:00,664
financial projections and the

4379
02:53:01,134 --> 02:53:03,403
revenue generated by -- for the

4380
02:53:03,403 --> 02:53:04,437
county because, you know, a base

4381
02:53:04,437 --> 02:53:06,472
of what we're trying to

4382
02:53:06,472 --> 02:53:09,509
accomplish here is to be able to

4383
02:53:09,509 --> 02:53:11,110
move and pay for our healthcare

4384
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:14,710
agency clinic to be at a

4385
02:53:16,649 --> 02:53:18,184
different location. So can you

4386
02:53:18,184 --> 02:53:21,200
address, is there -- you know,

4387
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:22,722
why would you put forward a

4388
02:53:22,722 --> 02:53:22,922
proposal that doesn't accomplish

4389
02:53:22,922 --> 02:53:24,922
that?

4390
02:53:26,660 --> 02:53:28,995
>>speaker: yes. I didn't state

4391
02:53:28,995 --> 02:53:31,931
my name when I spoke last time.

4392
02:53:31,931 --> 02:53:32,732
I'm shaun rawson from the

4393
02:53:32,732 --> 02:53:34,000
waterford property company.

4394
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:36,603
Supervisor, thank you for the

4395
02:53:36,603 --> 02:53:38,804
question. We underwrote project

4396
02:53:38,804 --> 02:53:41,400
within the guidelines of what we

4397
02:53:41,400 --> 02:53:43,977
believed the requirements of the

4398
02:53:43,977 --> 02:53:45,779
rfp were. We didn't see a

4399
02:53:45,779 --> 02:53:47,779
provision specifically stating

4400
02:53:47,781 --> 02:53:49,482
that a requirement was to

4401
02:53:49,482 --> 02:53:51,882
underwrite relocation of the

4402
02:53:51,918 --> 02:53:54,918
existing tenant. As of today,

4403
02:53:56,288 --> 02:53:58,591
our team has gone about 2.5

4404
02:53:58,591 --> 02:54:00,326
billion of bond issuances using

4405
02:54:00,326 --> 02:54:02,529
essential ponds bonds. So it is

4406
02:54:02,529 --> 02:54:03,497
definitely feasible to

4407
02:54:03,497 --> 02:54:05,764
underwrite a relocation as part

4408
02:54:05,764 --> 02:54:07,200
of the bond issuance where it is

4409
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:10,337
effectively -- it comes in as an

4410
02:54:10,337 --> 02:54:11,571
upfront payment and then is

4411
02:54:11,571 --> 02:54:12,672
amortized over the bond term.

4412
02:54:12,672 --> 02:54:14,206
When that question was posed to

4413
02:54:14,206 --> 02:54:15,842
us, we said that we can comply

4414
02:54:15,842 --> 02:54:17,811
with it. The reason we didn't

4415
02:54:17,811 --> 02:54:18,879
submit it that way is we didn't

4416
02:54:18,879 --> 02:54:21,548
realize that that was a driving

4417
02:54:21,548 --> 02:54:23,283
force. We were focused on the

4418
02:54:23,283 --> 02:54:24,683
community aspects of our

4419
02:54:24,683 --> 02:54:24,918
project, but we can definitely

4420
02:54:24,918 --> 02:54:26,918
do that.

4421
02:54:27,220 --> 02:54:30,560
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

4422
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:31,658
then the option term that you're

4423
02:54:31,658 --> 02:54:34,580
requesting, what would the

4424
02:54:34,795 --> 02:54:37,130
option term need to be?

4425
02:54:37,130 --> 02:54:39,466
>>speaker: we currently have

4426
02:54:39,466 --> 02:54:41,680
proposed up to a 36-month term.

4427
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:44,668
Although, we think we can go

4428
02:54:44,704 --> 02:54:45,539
faster than that utilizing the

4429
02:54:45,539 --> 02:54:47,400
ab 2011 with the buy right

4430
02:54:47,400 --> 02:54:49,242
entitlement with the city. As I

4431
02:54:49,242 --> 02:54:50,677
mentioned in my opening remarks,

4432
02:54:50,677 --> 02:54:52,512
even though we're processing the

4433
02:54:52,512 --> 02:54:53,914
buy right entitlement, there's

4434
02:54:53,914 --> 02:54:55,515
still gonna be a lot of

4435
02:54:55,515 --> 02:54:56,916
interaction, not only with our

4436
02:54:56,916 --> 02:54:57,818
team here at the county but

4437
02:54:57,818 --> 02:55:00,818
working in conjunction with the

4438
02:55:01,788 --> 02:55:03,156
city of santa ana and the

4439
02:55:03,156 --> 02:55:04,524
riverview neighborhood, which is

4440
02:55:04,524 --> 02:55:06,260
important. We got together with

4441
02:55:06,260 --> 02:55:08,628
them early in the process to get

4442
02:55:08,628 --> 02:55:10,330
their initial feedback, part of

4443
02:55:10,330 --> 02:55:12,980
that fed into how we designed

4444
02:55:12,980 --> 02:55:16,298
the project and how we laid it

4445
02:55:16,970 --> 02:55:18,438
out and how we work with the

4446
02:55:18,438 --> 02:55:19,506
single-family neighborhoods. So

4447
02:55:19,506 --> 02:55:21,174
we want to make sure we're doing

4448
02:55:21,174 --> 02:55:23,574
that proper community outreach

4449
02:55:24,444 --> 02:55:24,978
and we have 36 months in our

4450
02:55:24,978 --> 02:55:25,244
proposal, to answer your

4451
02:55:25,244 --> 02:55:25,913
question.

4452
02:55:25,913 --> 02:55:27,460
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

4453
02:55:27,460 --> 02:55:28,482
Thank you so much. Those are

4454
02:55:28,482 --> 02:55:28,682
you will of a the questions I

4455
02:55:28,682 --> 02:55:29,316
have.

4456
02:55:29,316 --> 02:55:30,150
>>chair, doug chaffee:

4457
02:55:30,150 --> 02:55:30,818
supervisor wagner.

4458
02:55:30,818 --> 02:55:32,853
>>don wagner: thank you,

4459
02:55:32,853 --> 02:55:34,588
MR. CHAIRMAN. I'm trying to

4460
02:55:34,588 --> 02:55:36,690
wrap my head around this. I

4461
02:55:36,690 --> 02:55:40,290
think we have two good proposals

4462
02:55:41,280 --> 02:55:44,628
here, but by struggle is quite

4463
02:55:44,665 --> 02:55:47,601
honestly, as I look at them, I

4464
02:55:47,601 --> 02:55:51,201
am not in step with staff's

4465
02:55:51,539 --> 02:55:54,539
recommendation here. And so I'm

4466
02:55:54,574 --> 02:55:57,511
trying to square that and show

4467
02:55:57,511 --> 02:55:58,912
respect for staff. They're the

4468
02:55:58,912 --> 02:56:01,312
experts, and they've gone

4469
02:56:01,448 --> 02:56:03,617
through this in quite some

4470
02:56:03,617 --> 02:56:06,617
detail. And they've come up

4471
02:56:07,860 --> 02:56:09,456
with a recommendation, and now

4472
02:56:09,456 --> 02:56:11,324
here we are at the dies, and we

4473
02:56:11,324 --> 02:56:12,859
kind of say we're not

4474
02:56:12,859 --> 02:56:15,128
negotiating from the dais, but,

4475
02:56:15,128 --> 02:56:18,728
you know, we are. And frankly

4476
02:56:18,832 --> 02:56:21,569
it looks to me like we're asking

4477
02:56:21,569 --> 02:56:24,705
tap to be a little bit closer to

4478
02:56:24,705 --> 02:56:28,305
cnc with the ami, with the

4479
02:56:30,611 --> 02:56:32,780
larger units. And I'm wondering

4480
02:56:32,780 --> 02:56:33,814
why we jump through those hoops

4481
02:56:33,814 --> 02:56:36,490
instead of just say, all right,

4482
02:56:36,490 --> 02:56:39,649
well, let's give cnc the first

4483
02:56:39,820 --> 02:56:44,224
shot at it. And this has been a

4484
02:56:44,224 --> 02:56:45,125
tough project. Done this a

4485
02:56:45,125 --> 02:56:48,125
couple times already. So maybe

4486
02:56:48,228 --> 02:56:52,428
we have to end up falling back

4487
02:56:53,467 --> 02:56:55,168
on the tfa -- tap proposal. The

4488
02:56:55,168 --> 02:56:57,405
things that trouble me that I

4489
02:56:57,405 --> 02:56:58,973
heard are, you know, for

4490
02:56:58,973 --> 02:57:01,373
example, there's the uncertainty

4491
02:57:03,100 --> 02:57:05,913
about the surplus land act and I

4492
02:57:05,913 --> 02:57:07,981
heard, and I took it down, if

4493
02:57:07,981 --> 02:57:12,190
there needs to be a change in

4494
02:57:12,190 --> 02:57:16,570
the ami, we will do so. Well,

4495
02:57:16,570 --> 02:57:17,358
that's a pretty blunt assertion.

4496
02:57:17,358 --> 02:57:19,930
I mean, it's not easy to build

4497
02:57:19,930 --> 02:57:21,829
in the state of california

4498
02:57:21,829 --> 02:57:22,830
nowadays. And to have a

4499
02:57:22,830 --> 02:57:23,631
developer come up here and say,

4500
02:57:23,631 --> 02:57:25,765
well, if the requirements are a

4501
02:57:25,765 --> 02:57:27,401
little bit different, don't

4502
02:57:27,401 --> 02:57:31,601
worry, we can fix it, that is

4503
02:57:32,740 --> 02:57:34,976
not as comforting to me as the

4504
02:57:34,976 --> 02:57:37,410
proposer might have said that.

4505
02:57:37,410 --> 02:57:39,614
I don't think you can just

4506
02:57:39,614 --> 02:57:42,160
blatantly say when you've got

4507
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:44,251
small charge ins and difficulty

4508
02:57:44,251 --> 02:57:46,870
getting approvals and you don't

4509
02:57:46,870 --> 02:57:48,890
have a buy right component,

4510
02:57:48,890 --> 02:57:49,790
well, don't worry, we'll just

4511
02:57:49,790 --> 02:57:51,580
change it. And what is one of

4512
02:57:51,580 --> 02:57:53,160
the changes they're going to do

4513
02:57:53,160 --> 02:57:54,996
with respect to, say, larger

4514
02:57:54,996 --> 02:57:57,165
units? Reduce retail. What's

4515
02:57:57,165 --> 02:57:58,933
the city think about reducing

4516
02:57:58,933 --> 02:58:01,636
retail? You know, the city's

4517
02:58:01,636 --> 02:58:02,770
gonna get their sales tax from

4518
02:58:02,770 --> 02:58:05,506
the retail. Is the city going

4519
02:58:05,506 --> 02:58:07,742
to approve it with the reduced

4520
02:58:07,742 --> 02:58:10,144
retail? What's going to give?

4521
02:58:10,144 --> 02:58:13,414
There are lots of moving parts

4522
02:58:13,414 --> 02:58:15,116
of demolition. It's not in the

4523
02:58:15,116 --> 02:58:18,116
proposal. We'll take care of

4524
02:58:23,900 --> 02:58:24,125
it. But we MAY need

4525
02:58:24,125 --> 02:58:26,427
need compensation on the back

4526
02:58:26,427 --> 02:58:27,828
end. This is what the gentlemen

4527
02:58:27,828 --> 02:58:29,964
at witness stand said. It's

4528
02:58:29,964 --> 02:58:31,199
not, there we'll agree to take,

4529
02:58:31,199 --> 02:58:33,901
it but when we do our due

4530
02:58:33,901 --> 02:58:34,836
diligence and we see what's in

4531
02:58:34,836 --> 02:58:36,537
there, maybe there's asbestos.

4532
02:58:36,537 --> 02:58:38,673
Maybe there's remediation, we're

4533
02:58:38,673 --> 02:58:39,540
going to have to get that

4534
02:58:39,540 --> 02:58:41,420
compensated on the back-end. So

4535
02:58:41,420 --> 02:58:45,242
all of a sudden the whole deal

4536
02:58:46,147 --> 02:58:46,748
to me is less certain. Why?

4537
02:58:46,748 --> 02:58:49,148
Because we're negotiating from

4538
02:58:49,884 --> 02:58:51,786
the dais these different points.

4539
02:58:51,786 --> 02:58:53,354
And so I don't think that's the

4540
02:58:53,354 --> 02:58:56,858
way to do business. I think

4541
02:58:56,858 --> 02:58:59,360
that's what got us in trouble

4542
02:58:59,360 --> 02:59:02,297
when we had 17 street partners

4543
02:59:02,297 --> 02:59:04,766
and the other 3 bidders -- or 2

4544
02:59:04,766 --> 02:59:06,935
other bidders, the last time we

4545
02:59:06,935 --> 02:59:10,535
did this process a couple years

4546
02:59:10,872 --> 02:59:13,872
ago. I am just genuinely

4547
02:59:14,420 --> 02:59:15,677
troubled by some of what I heard

4548
02:59:15,677 --> 02:59:18,646
tonight -- today. And I also

4549
02:59:18,646 --> 02:59:22,846
want to add one last thing. The

4550
02:59:25,186 --> 02:59:27,522
idea that we can front load to

4551
02:59:27,522 --> 02:59:30,240
help us pay for the public

4552
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:32,260
health lab and the move and all

4553
02:59:32,260 --> 02:59:33,661
that's being done and kind of

4554
02:59:33,661 --> 02:59:36,130
just saying, well, I'm not so

4555
02:59:36,130 --> 02:59:36,998
interested in front load, I

4556
02:59:36,998 --> 02:59:38,666
rather just have the money

4557
02:59:38,666 --> 02:59:40,835
longer term, guys, we're all

4558
02:59:40,835 --> 02:59:44,435
going into a budget next month

4559
02:59:45,173 --> 02:59:47,608
that isn't gonna be pretty. And

4560
02:59:47,608 --> 02:59:50,145
I think maybe we wouldn't in a

4561
02:59:50,145 --> 02:59:52,147
perfect world want to front load

4562
02:59:52,147 --> 02:59:53,815
and have some of that money

4563
02:59:53,815 --> 02:59:56,785
available from the developer to

4564
02:59:56,785 --> 02:59:58,386
do what we need to do with our

4565
02:59:58,386 --> 03:00:01,986
public health lab. In a perfect

4566
03:00:03,224 --> 03:00:05,927
world, we take the long stream

4567
03:00:05,927 --> 03:00:07,862
income. But we all know we

4568
03:00:07,862 --> 03:00:09,640
don't live in a perfect world

4569
03:00:09,640 --> 03:00:10,310
and will have some budget

4570
03:00:10,310 --> 03:00:12,100
challenges. So I don't want to

4571
03:00:12,100 --> 03:00:15,270
just kind of discount the front

4572
03:00:15,270 --> 03:00:16,905
load offer here. I'm not there

4573
03:00:16,905 --> 03:00:17,706
yet. And MR. Miller, I don't

4574
03:00:17,706 --> 03:00:21,306
have a question for you other

4575
03:00:23,145 --> 03:00:24,312
than tell me why you're right.

4576
03:00:24,312 --> 03:00:26,547
>>speaker: I didn't want to

4577
03:00:26,547 --> 03:00:29,184
argue that I'm right. I wanted

4578
03:00:29,184 --> 03:00:30,619
to clarify the surplus land act

4579
03:00:30,619 --> 03:00:32,754
requirement. So the surplus

4580
03:00:32,754 --> 03:00:35,754
land act mention that we're

4581
03:00:41,296 --> 03:00:43,696
using is government code 54221

4582
03:00:43,765 --> 03:00:47,365
54221.1g, small I. You have a

4583
03:00:47,568 --> 03:00:49,871
single parcel not less than 300

4584
03:00:49,871 --> 03:00:52,173
units restricted to as least 25%

4585
03:00:52,173 --> 03:00:53,108
of units to lower-income

4586
03:00:53,108 --> 03:00:55,508
households as defined in

4587
03:00:57,611 --> 03:00:59,611
government code section 50079.5,

4588
03:00:59,815 --> 03:01:01,850
I'm association health and

4589
03:01:01,850 --> 03:01:03,552
safety code. And it defines

4590
03:01:03,552 --> 03:01:05,552
lower-income households at 80%

4591
03:01:07,422 --> 03:01:09,124
of area ami. So based on that

4592
03:01:09,124 --> 03:01:11,993
both of the proposals comply

4593
03:01:11,993 --> 03:01:12,627
with the surplus land act.

4594
03:01:12,627 --> 03:01:15,627
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: you

4595
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:18,464
left out a section.

4596
03:01:18,934 --> 03:01:19,166
>>don wagner: but if they both

4597
03:01:19,166 --> 03:01:19,701
comply.

4598
03:01:19,701 --> 03:01:20,335
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

4599
03:01:20,335 --> 03:01:22,671
there's another analysis that

4600
03:01:22,671 --> 03:01:26,871
has to go after that, which is

4601
03:01:30,345 --> 03:01:31,780
the health and safety code

4602
03:01:31,780 --> 03:01:32,781
50053b-1d, definition of

4603
03:01:32,781 --> 03:01:35,170
affordable rent, for lower

4604
03:01:35,170 --> 03:01:37,152
income households whose incomes

4605
03:01:37,152 --> 03:01:40,152
exceeds the very low income

4606
03:01:41,190 --> 03:01:43,190
ceiling, equals 30% times 60%

4607
03:01:43,392 --> 03:01:45,270
ami adjusted for family size

4608
03:01:45,270 --> 03:01:45,327
appropriate. I mean, it's

4609
03:01:45,327 --> 03:01:46,628
complicated.

4610
03:01:46,628 --> 03:01:47,229
>>speaker: right, that's the

4611
03:01:47,229 --> 03:01:48,830
calculation of the tent that

4612
03:01:48,830 --> 03:01:49,397
would be charged.

4613
03:01:49,397 --> 03:01:51,797
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

4614
03:01:52,670 --> 03:01:53,435
right. But that's the whole --

4615
03:01:53,435 --> 03:01:54,470
>>don wagner: that's not the

4616
03:01:54,470 --> 03:01:55,570
whole issue in the first place.

4617
03:01:55,570 --> 03:01:57,239
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: but

4618
03:01:57,239 --> 03:01:57,973
you have to base it on the rent.

4619
03:01:57,973 --> 03:01:59,973
Anyway...

4620
03:02:00,309 --> 03:02:02,711
It's enough to cause me to be

4621
03:02:02,711 --> 03:02:03,411
concerned that it's not been

4622
03:02:03,411 --> 03:02:04,246
analyzed.

4623
03:02:04,246 --> 03:02:05,748
>>speaker: what I would say to

4624
03:02:05,748 --> 03:02:08,748
the board's concerns is, you

4625
03:02:11,200 --> 03:02:13,488
know, as we go through this rfp

4626
03:02:13,488 --> 03:02:17,880
process, we, as staff on the

4627
03:02:17,292 --> 03:02:19,361
evaluation panel, write the

4628
03:02:19,361 --> 03:02:20,496
proposals and rate them based on

4629
03:02:20,496 --> 03:02:22,531
what is proposed. We don't

4630
03:02:22,531 --> 03:02:23,966
prenegotiate with them, we don't

4631
03:02:23,966 --> 03:02:26,167
engage with proposers because

4632
03:02:26,167 --> 03:02:27,903
then they start changing their

4633
03:02:27,903 --> 03:02:29,305
proposals. To the extent that

4634
03:02:29,305 --> 03:02:30,839
there are things that the board

4635
03:02:30,839 --> 03:02:31,740
wants to see from either of the

4636
03:02:31,740 --> 03:02:33,375
proposers that the board might

4637
03:02:33,375 --> 03:02:35,744
go with, that would happen

4638
03:02:35,744 --> 03:02:37,790
during the negotiation and we

4639
03:02:37,790 --> 03:02:38,846
would report back to the board

4640
03:02:38,846 --> 03:02:41,490
on the progress. So to preserve

4641
03:02:41,490 --> 03:02:43,510
the integrity, we generally

4642
03:02:43,510 --> 03:02:44,886
don't go back to a plopser and

4643
03:02:44,886 --> 03:02:45,688
say, will you do this --

4644
03:02:45,688 --> 03:02:47,289
proposer and say, will you do

4645
03:02:47,289 --> 03:02:48,490
this on a staff level, because

4646
03:02:48,490 --> 03:02:49,625
then you would have to go to

4647
03:02:49,625 --> 03:02:51,660
each of the proposers and give

4648
03:02:51,660 --> 03:02:54,830
them that ability to re-open a

4649
03:02:54,830 --> 03:02:57,990
proposal. So to some extent, I

4650
03:02:57,990 --> 03:02:59,235
think somebody mentioned this,

4651
03:02:59,235 --> 03:03:00,269
it starts with a beauty contest.

4652
03:03:00,269 --> 03:03:01,537
And once we've negotiated the

4653
03:03:01,537 --> 03:03:03,571
specific terms and reported back

4654
03:03:03,571 --> 03:03:04,673
to the board, then we're into

4655
03:03:04,673 --> 03:03:05,173
the negotiation period where

4656
03:03:05,173 --> 03:03:07,143
we're tweaking things.

4657
03:03:07,143 --> 03:03:08,477
>>don wagner: but these aren't

4658
03:03:08,477 --> 03:03:10,246
just little tweaks. These are

4659
03:03:10,246 --> 03:03:12,581
big things like the ami. These

4660
03:03:12,581 --> 03:03:15,284
are more three bedrooms rather

4661
03:03:15,284 --> 03:03:18,884
than singles. These are pay for

4662
03:03:20,156 --> 03:03:22,458
the demolition. Those are

4663
03:03:22,458 --> 03:03:24,593
things that aren't, you know,

4664
03:03:24,593 --> 03:03:26,928
just small deal points. Those

4665
03:03:26,928 --> 03:03:29,265
could make or break -- and on

4666
03:03:29,265 --> 03:03:32,865
this very property have made and

4667
03:03:35,204 --> 03:03:38,204
broken prior proposals. And so

4668
03:03:39,976 --> 03:03:40,977
I think that it's -- I think the

4669
03:03:40,977 --> 03:03:43,812
simpler solution is if we want

4670
03:03:43,812 --> 03:03:45,280
the ami change, if we want more

4671
03:03:45,280 --> 03:03:47,680
three-bedroom units, then go

4672
03:03:47,749 --> 03:03:48,984
with a proposer who is upfront

4673
03:03:48,984 --> 03:03:50,786
saying, and that's in my

4674
03:03:50,786 --> 03:03:52,487
proposal and I can pencil that

4675
03:03:52,487 --> 03:03:53,356
in, and that works, and I've

4676
03:03:53,356 --> 03:03:56,356
already thought about that, and

4677
03:03:57,760 --> 03:03:59,428
I've got this buy right, and

4678
03:03:59,428 --> 03:04:00,696
then we don't have to negotiate

4679
03:04:00,696 --> 03:04:02,865
from the dais. We don't have to

4680
03:04:02,865 --> 03:04:05,166
have these uncertainties. If a

4681
03:04:05,166 --> 03:04:08,166
deal still doesn't get done,

4682
03:04:08,337 --> 03:04:11,540
then we have a fall-back. So, I

4683
03:04:11,540 --> 03:04:13,910
mean, I just think the cnc,

4684
03:04:13,910 --> 03:04:16,178
given what I heard, are some of

4685
03:04:16,178 --> 03:04:18,447
the questions we have about tap,

4686
03:04:18,447 --> 03:04:21,951
the cnc one is the better one to

4687
03:04:21,951 --> 03:04:23,686
lead negotiations with. That's

4688
03:04:23,686 --> 03:04:25,154
kind of my thought, and where

4689
03:04:25,154 --> 03:04:27,556
I'm looking for help is -- and

4690
03:04:27,556 --> 03:04:29,956
you disagree. You've doubled

4691
03:04:29,959 --> 03:04:31,994
down on, no, let's go on tap.

4692
03:04:31,994 --> 03:04:32,895
And I'm trying to wrap my head

4693
03:04:32,895 --> 03:04:34,397
around that.

4694
03:04:34,397 --> 03:04:36,797
>>speaker: I generally don't

4695
03:04:36,932 --> 03:04:39,135
disagree with what anybody says.

4696
03:04:39,135 --> 03:04:40,769
You take our -- we take our

4697
03:04:40,769 --> 03:04:43,720
direction from the board. We

4698
03:04:43,720 --> 03:04:43,873
convened the ratings panel that

4699
03:04:43,873 --> 03:04:45,274
made the recommendation. When

4700
03:04:45,274 --> 03:04:47,576
you look at how close the two

4701
03:04:47,576 --> 03:04:49,879
scores were, one of the things

4702
03:04:49,879 --> 03:04:51,380
we did look at to some of the

4703
03:04:51,380 --> 03:04:52,915
supervisors' earlier points was

4704
03:04:52,915 --> 03:04:56,515
the revenue coming to the county

4705
03:04:57,253 --> 03:04:58,388
to help defer the cost to the

4706
03:04:58,388 --> 03:05:00,489
hca. So I think when you look

4707
03:05:00,489 --> 03:05:02,580
at the 300-point variance, those

4708
03:05:02,580 --> 03:05:03,126
are the things that account for

4709
03:05:03,126 --> 03:05:05,928
that. So, you know, I think in

4710
03:05:05,928 --> 03:05:07,597
the end, have you two very good

4711
03:05:07,597 --> 03:05:09,699
proposers and you have two

4712
03:05:09,699 --> 03:05:11,234
projects that I think the

4713
03:05:11,234 --> 03:05:13,335
proposers can pull off. So it's

4714
03:05:13,335 --> 03:05:16,935
hard to say, you know, that 300

4715
03:05:17,974 --> 03:05:20,343
points is, you know -- I'm going

4716
03:05:20,343 --> 03:05:22,110
to stake my claim on that. It's

4717
03:05:22,110 --> 03:05:22,946
simply a recommendation based on

4718
03:05:22,946 --> 03:05:24,147
the evaluation panel.

4719
03:05:24,147 --> 03:05:27,147
>>chair, doug chaffee: maybe I

4720
03:05:28,685 --> 03:05:31,200
should take a turn. In my

4721
03:05:31,200 --> 03:05:31,621
nefarious past I have

4722
03:05:31,621 --> 03:05:32,822
constructed affordable housing

4723
03:05:32,822 --> 03:05:35,725
projects including the use of

4724
03:05:35,725 --> 03:05:38,194
tax credits and other device, it

4725
03:05:38,194 --> 03:05:41,794
might be used to lower the

4726
03:05:41,831 --> 03:05:44,831
rents. Oi affordability is very

4727
03:05:47,370 --> 03:05:50,370
undefined term. You say we're

4728
03:05:51,307 --> 03:05:53,576
creating half the units as

4729
03:05:53,576 --> 03:05:55,578
affordable. What does that

4730
03:05:55,578 --> 03:05:58,140
really mean? You don't know

4731
03:05:58,140 --> 03:05:58,815
unless you know the

4732
03:05:58,815 --> 03:06:00,416
affordability of what we're

4733
03:06:00,416 --> 03:06:03,153
really talking about. It's been

4734
03:06:03,153 --> 03:06:04,988
a while since I read the

4735
03:06:04,988 --> 03:06:07,524
regulations but the deeper you

4736
03:06:07,524 --> 03:06:09,892
have affordability, the fewer

4737
03:06:09,892 --> 03:06:12,763
units you need to provide,

4738
03:06:12,763 --> 03:06:15,698
generally the things like bonds

4739
03:06:15,698 --> 03:06:18,802
have been around for a while.

4740
03:06:18,802 --> 03:06:21,710
And you have affordable units at

4741
03:06:21,710 --> 03:06:22,571
higher rents, still it's within

4742
03:06:22,571 --> 03:06:25,571
the parameters of how it's

4743
03:06:25,742 --> 03:06:26,609
defined. Somebody tells me I'm

4744
03:06:26,609 --> 03:06:27,877
building affordable housing.

4745
03:06:27,877 --> 03:06:29,450
That doesn't tell me very much.

4746
03:06:29,450 --> 03:06:31,882
I want to know at what levels

4747
03:06:31,882 --> 03:06:34,117
are you providing affordability.

4748
03:06:34,117 --> 03:06:36,419
We talked about one ami in

4749
03:06:36,419 --> 03:06:38,687
orange county, that is the index

4750
03:06:38,687 --> 03:06:39,755
that is used to determine the

4751
03:06:39,755 --> 03:06:42,155
various rents, the median

4752
03:06:42,292 --> 03:06:44,361
income. You apply the

4753
03:06:44,361 --> 03:06:46,229
percentage that you attribute to

4754
03:06:46,229 --> 03:06:49,466
a unit. If it's 30%, you take

4755
03:06:49,466 --> 03:06:52,435
30% of ami, divided by 12 and

4756
03:06:52,435 --> 03:06:54,700
then that gives you a monthly

4757
03:06:54,700 --> 03:06:56,306
rent with utility allowance. If

4758
03:06:56,306 --> 03:06:57,474
it's 60%, you take a higher

4759
03:06:57,474 --> 03:07:00,210
number and do the math and you

4760
03:07:00,210 --> 03:07:01,812
get a higher rent when you do

4761
03:07:01,812 --> 03:07:04,812
that. Some are at 80%. Some

4762
03:07:05,480 --> 03:07:06,583
are at 100% ami. I don't know

4763
03:07:06,583 --> 03:07:08,585
if that squares the actual

4764
03:07:08,585 --> 03:07:10,887
market rent when you get up that

4765
03:07:10,887 --> 03:07:13,230
high. Are you really providing

4766
03:07:13,230 --> 03:07:14,124
affordable for where the market

4767
03:07:14,124 --> 03:07:15,240
actually is? I don't know

4768
03:07:15,240 --> 03:07:17,270
because you have to do some

4769
03:07:17,270 --> 03:07:17,994
comparisons with market rent to

4770
03:07:17,994 --> 03:07:21,594
see if you're giving a benefit

4771
03:07:23,233 --> 03:07:25,469
to lower-income people that MAY

4772
03:07:25,469 --> 03:07:27,871
pay lower present it really is.

4773
03:07:27,871 --> 03:07:31,471
So I'm not concerned. I think

4774
03:07:31,508 --> 03:07:34,508
the affordability is there. I'd

4775
03:07:35,612 --> 03:07:38,515
like actually the mix of the

4776
03:07:38,515 --> 03:07:41,515
commercial. I feel that's a

4777
03:07:43,987 --> 03:07:46,690
component I should cnc should

4778
03:07:46,690 --> 03:07:48,325
come back. I'd ask them to

4779
03:07:48,325 --> 03:07:51,325
consider doing that because it

4780
03:07:51,361 --> 03:07:53,363
provides not only a source of

4781
03:07:53,363 --> 03:07:55,399
revenue for the city with sales

4782
03:07:55,399 --> 03:07:56,199
taxes but it also provides jobs

4783
03:07:56,199 --> 03:07:59,168
and services and you have kind

4784
03:07:59,168 --> 03:08:01,380
of an element of workforce

4785
03:08:01,380 --> 03:08:02,372
housing that people live there

4786
03:08:02,372 --> 03:08:03,674
and might work in the commercial

4787
03:08:03,674 --> 03:08:05,108
part, as well. So I like that

4788
03:08:05,108 --> 03:08:08,111
mix. I think that's a good

4789
03:08:08,111 --> 03:08:11,711
thing I wouldn't shrink it at

4790
03:08:12,820 --> 03:08:13,850
all.. I also like the public

4791
03:08:13,850 --> 03:08:14,851
spaces we talked about expanding

4792
03:08:14,851 --> 03:08:17,421
the units. That should go

4793
03:08:17,421 --> 03:08:18,622
higher. You're going to use up

4794
03:08:18,622 --> 03:08:19,990
more land. And I am concerned

4795
03:08:19,990 --> 03:08:21,592
about the livability of

4796
03:08:21,592 --> 03:08:23,920
projects. If you squeeze it too

4797
03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:26,920
much, well, then you're not

4798
03:08:26,129 --> 03:08:28,165
going to be creating a liveable

4799
03:08:28,165 --> 03:08:30,467
space with people living there.

4800
03:08:30,467 --> 03:08:31,367
So I would suggest, though,

4801
03:08:31,367 --> 03:08:33,937
there might be one way of

4802
03:08:33,937 --> 03:08:35,839
lowering the rents, and if it's

4803
03:08:35,839 --> 03:08:38,976
something that we could do at a

4804
03:08:38,976 --> 03:08:40,644
later date, and that's add some

4805
03:08:40,644 --> 03:08:42,644
project-based section 8 vouchers

4806
03:08:43,213 --> 03:08:46,750
that would enable the rent of

4807
03:08:46,750 --> 03:08:49,750
either project to provide lower

4808
03:08:49,953 --> 03:08:52,222
rents. So I kind of like the

4809
03:08:52,222 --> 03:08:54,425
mix where we have both

4810
03:08:54,425 --> 03:08:57,425
components. We have two viable

4811
03:08:57,661 --> 03:09:00,661
developers here, and let's see

4812
03:09:02,233 --> 03:09:03,868
where it goes. I'm not too

4813
03:09:03,868 --> 03:09:06,770
concerned about adding space to

4814
03:09:06,770 --> 03:09:08,771
unit if it takes up more land.

4815
03:09:08,771 --> 03:09:10,774
Because three units is quite

4816
03:09:10,774 --> 03:09:13,430
substantial already. And so how

4817
03:09:13,430 --> 03:09:15,790
do we make this a viable living

4818
03:09:15,790 --> 03:09:16,130
space for a family with

4819
03:09:16,130 --> 03:09:18,182
children? You don't want to

4820
03:09:18,182 --> 03:09:20,518
squeeze things too tight. You

4821
03:09:20,518 --> 03:09:21,118
want some recreation

4822
03:09:21,118 --> 03:09:22,620
opportunitys and other things

4823
03:09:22,620 --> 03:09:25,856
when you do that. So the

4824
03:09:25,856 --> 03:09:27,592
livability of the project as a

4825
03:09:27,592 --> 03:09:30,728
whole is important to me. So --

4826
03:09:30,728 --> 03:09:32,930
and I also find interesting that

4827
03:09:32,930 --> 03:09:35,930
one proposer is using private

4828
03:09:36,767 --> 03:09:38,202
capital. That's so rare at the

4829
03:09:38,202 --> 03:09:39,837
same time providing affordable

4830
03:09:39,837 --> 03:09:42,573
housing. I did a little look at

4831
03:09:42,573 --> 03:09:45,176
the cost of building because of

4832
03:09:45,176 --> 03:09:48,176
the projects that use, for

4833
03:09:48,312 --> 03:09:49,947
example, tax credits and bond

4834
03:09:49,947 --> 03:09:51,148
financing. The professional

4835
03:09:51,148 --> 03:09:52,983
fees and other types of things

4836
03:09:52,983 --> 03:09:55,190
are very high. And the result

4837
03:09:55,190 --> 03:09:56,820
is, the cost of building a

4838
03:09:56,820 --> 03:10:00,324
project on a square foot basis

4839
03:10:00,324 --> 03:10:03,324
is higher. So private capital

4840
03:10:04,294 --> 03:10:05,796
actually allows a -- same labor,

4841
03:10:05,796 --> 03:10:08,796
same materials, that type of

4842
03:10:08,866 --> 03:10:12,466
thing but it actually brings a

4843
03:10:12,470 --> 03:10:14,204
project home at a lower cost.

4844
03:10:14,204 --> 03:10:15,706
And so I see that as an

4845
03:10:15,706 --> 03:10:16,674
interesting comparison. It's

4846
03:10:16,674 --> 03:10:18,420
just pretty rare when you see

4847
03:10:18,420 --> 03:10:20,244
that all private capital is

4848
03:10:20,244 --> 03:10:22,790
being used. So I like that

4849
03:10:22,790 --> 03:10:24,479
because it's very smart

4850
03:10:25,516 --> 03:10:28,516
certainty. The tax credits are

4851
03:10:28,653 --> 03:10:30,288
competitive. In this case, it's

4852
03:10:30,288 --> 03:10:32,489
bond financing. I remember a

4853
03:10:32,489 --> 03:10:35,425
time when there wasn't enough

4854
03:10:35,425 --> 03:10:38,950
bond financing to go around.

4855
03:10:38,950 --> 03:10:40,264
It's an allocation process

4856
03:10:40,264 --> 03:10:40,564
called the debt limit allocation

4857
03:10:40,564 --> 03:10:42,564
committee.

4858
03:10:44,334 --> 03:10:46,237
It's set up so that only so much

4859
03:10:46,237 --> 03:10:48,572
bond financing that is tax

4860
03:10:48,572 --> 03:10:50,208
exempt can be issued any given

4861
03:10:50,208 --> 03:10:52,443
year. Otherwise, the federal

4862
03:10:52,443 --> 03:10:54,312
government loses the interest on

4863
03:10:54,312 --> 03:10:56,447
the normal thing. And there's

4864
03:10:56,447 --> 03:10:58,847
some different categories that

4865
03:10:59,283 --> 03:11:00,385
can use this financing.

4866
03:11:00,385 --> 03:11:01,819
Hospitals, for example, can use

4867
03:11:01,819 --> 03:11:04,219
this financing, this bond

4868
03:11:04,388 --> 03:11:06,788
financing. And interesting, I

4869
03:11:07,580 --> 03:11:08,593
mean, just about a month ago,

4870
03:11:08,593 --> 03:11:11,593
st. Jude hospital fullerton got

4871
03:11:11,696 --> 03:11:13,965
a $365 million bond allocation

4872
03:11:13,965 --> 03:11:15,466
of these same kinds of bonds.

4873
03:11:15,466 --> 03:11:17,869
And there's also an industrial

4874
03:11:17,869 --> 03:11:22,690
base. We saw that being used by

4875
03:11:23,241 --> 03:11:26,241
our airport people. The biggest

4876
03:11:26,277 --> 03:11:27,211
basis for this financing is

4877
03:11:27,211 --> 03:11:29,314
affordable house, and it's very

4878
03:11:29,314 --> 03:11:30,948
competitive. I don't know if

4879
03:11:30,948 --> 03:11:32,383
there's necessarily enough

4880
03:11:32,383 --> 03:11:34,852
allocation in a given year. You

4881
03:11:34,852 --> 03:11:36,870
MAY have to apply more than once

4882
03:11:36,870 --> 03:11:40,287
to get what you want. It does

4883
03:11:40,625 --> 03:11:42,360
carry with it a 4% tax credit

4884
03:11:42,360 --> 03:11:44,596
provided if you meet the other

4885
03:11:44,596 --> 03:11:45,797
things. So that's important. I

4886
03:11:45,797 --> 03:11:47,832
like both developers, and I

4887
03:11:47,832 --> 03:11:50,268
think staff got it right in the

4888
03:11:50,268 --> 03:11:51,603
order of ranking. And so I

4889
03:11:51,603 --> 03:11:52,237
support the staff

4890
03:11:52,237 --> 03:11:53,905
recommendation. I'd like to

4891
03:11:53,905 --> 03:11:56,573
just move forward. It's been

4892
03:11:56,573 --> 03:11:58,676
way too long as a dormant piece

4893
03:11:58,676 --> 03:12:02,276
of land, really. See what we

4894
03:12:02,347 --> 03:12:04,140
can do with it. And I like the

4895
03:12:04,140 --> 03:12:06,414
parking requirements a little

4896
03:12:09,187 --> 03:12:10,540
bit better. And I'd like the --

4897
03:12:10,540 --> 03:12:12,123
I think the neighborhood will

4898
03:12:12,123 --> 03:12:13,123
accept it more so than if it's

4899
03:12:13,123 --> 03:12:15,523
just purely nothing but

4900
03:12:15,527 --> 03:12:17,662
apartment units. So if we're

4901
03:12:17,662 --> 03:12:19,197
dictating from the dais as to

4902
03:12:19,197 --> 03:12:21,399
what to do, yeah, let's see if

4903
03:12:21,399 --> 03:12:24,999
we can make the units more

4904
03:12:27,472 --> 03:12:29,874
affordable. If we can, if we --

4905
03:12:29,874 --> 03:12:30,742
if cnc comes back because we

4906
03:12:30,742 --> 03:12:33,545
couldn't do a deal correctly

4907
03:12:33,545 --> 03:12:36,681
with the first choice, I would

4908
03:12:36,681 --> 03:12:37,349
urge them to look at some

4909
03:12:37,349 --> 03:12:39,184
commercial, and there it kind of

4910
03:12:39,184 --> 03:12:41,319
gives a nice face to the street.

4911
03:12:41,319 --> 03:12:43,621
It provides a buffer to the

4912
03:12:43,621 --> 03:12:44,756
housing from the noise and the

4913
03:12:44,756 --> 03:12:48,159
street and that kind of thing.

4914
03:12:48,159 --> 03:12:51,929
And I think that's a good way of

4915
03:12:51,929 --> 03:12:53,131
planning to do that. So I'm

4916
03:12:53,131 --> 03:12:55,660
supportive of the staff

4917
03:12:55,660 --> 03:12:57,369
recommendation. It does not

4918
03:12:57,369 --> 03:12:59,204
finish anything right now. We

4919
03:12:59,204 --> 03:13:01,239
have to negotiate, make certain

4920
03:13:01,239 --> 03:13:02,841
that this city, which will

4921
03:13:02,841 --> 03:13:03,942
process the application, finds

4922
03:13:03,942 --> 03:13:06,342
it acceptable. That could

4923
03:13:06,678 --> 03:13:09,810
change things. And then it will

4924
03:13:09,810 --> 03:13:11,983
come back to us again where

4925
03:13:11,983 --> 03:13:12,717
maybe we'll be sharpening our

4926
03:13:12,717 --> 03:13:15,870
pencil its again and see where

4927
03:13:15,870 --> 03:13:16,888
we wind up. So I do support

4928
03:13:16,888 --> 03:13:19,888
staff recommendation. I see my

4929
03:13:19,991 --> 03:13:23,462
screen is lit up. But I'm

4930
03:13:23,462 --> 03:13:24,596
hungry. Okay. It's noontime.

4931
03:13:24,596 --> 03:13:26,164
Supervisor nguyen. You haven't

4932
03:13:26,164 --> 03:13:27,399
had a chance to weigh in here.

4933
03:13:27,399 --> 03:13:29,670
>>janet nguyen: thank you,

4934
03:13:29,670 --> 03:13:31,836
MR. CHAIRMAN. I just want to

4935
03:13:31,836 --> 03:13:33,538
first thank both of the

4936
03:13:33,538 --> 03:13:35,730
development firms for taking the

4937
03:13:35,730 --> 03:13:36,675
time to meet with my office and

4938
03:13:36,675 --> 03:13:39,675
actually walk us through the

4939
03:13:41,146 --> 03:13:43,546
proposed projects. You know,

4940
03:13:45,830 --> 03:13:46,851
I -- while I understand the

4941
03:13:46,851 --> 03:13:48,851
staff's recommendation, you

4942
03:13:48,887 --> 03:13:50,355
really look at it though, and

4943
03:13:50,355 --> 03:13:52,755
it's only 300-point difference.

4944
03:13:52,758 --> 03:13:53,725
So the not a lot. While both

4945
03:13:53,725 --> 03:13:54,626
projects are strong, they are

4946
03:13:54,626 --> 03:13:57,626
also quite difference in their

4947
03:13:57,929 --> 03:13:59,631
approach. I think that at this

4948
03:13:59,631 --> 03:14:01,732
point for me is I want to see

4949
03:14:01,732 --> 03:14:04,102
more housing. And I believe

4950
03:14:04,102 --> 03:14:05,938
that cnc project has a strong

4951
03:14:05,938 --> 03:14:08,273
option for us as a county.

4952
03:14:08,273 --> 03:14:10,575
Because it definitely, you know,

4953
03:14:10,575 --> 03:14:13,479
what you've said, MR. CHAIRMAN,

4954
03:14:13,479 --> 03:14:16,315
the much-needed housing. And we

4955
03:14:16,315 --> 03:14:17,115
need to make sure that it's

4956
03:14:17,115 --> 03:14:19,515
actually affordable. We can

4957
03:14:19,551 --> 03:14:21,220
build more house, but if it's

4958
03:14:21,220 --> 03:14:23,388
not affordable, then it makes it

4959
03:14:23,388 --> 03:14:26,988
difficult. And if we go into

4960
03:14:28,861 --> 03:14:30,562
negotiation with the first firm

4961
03:14:30,562 --> 03:14:32,798
lots of things can change. And

4962
03:14:32,798 --> 03:14:35,330
while it looks like they are

4963
03:14:35,330 --> 03:14:36,468
providing more revenue right

4964
03:14:36,468 --> 03:14:38,137
now, but then what's the

4965
03:14:38,137 --> 03:14:39,705
demolition cost? That could

4966
03:14:39,705 --> 03:14:42,374
completely change the game. It

4967
03:14:42,374 --> 03:14:44,900
could be millions of dollars.

4968
03:14:44,900 --> 03:14:45,210
Tens of millions of dollars.

4969
03:14:45,210 --> 03:14:48,547
And, you know, you're looking at

4970
03:14:48,547 --> 03:14:50,490
a difference of only 100,

4971
03:14:50,490 --> 03:14:51,884
$200,000. Annually.

4972
03:14:51,884 --> 03:14:53,884
. We're talking about

4973
03:15:02,494 --> 03:15:04,330
demolition of an unknown. So by

4974
03:15:04,330 --> 03:15:05,631
us not calculating that now and

4975
03:15:05,631 --> 03:15:07,166
going into this, my fear is

4976
03:15:07,166 --> 03:15:07,967
we're going to be negotiating

4977
03:15:07,967 --> 03:15:10,302
ourselves out of things more

4978
03:15:10,302 --> 03:15:11,170
than in of more of what we want

4979
03:15:11,170 --> 03:15:13,205
with the first bidder because

4980
03:15:13,205 --> 03:15:15,741
it's not clear on their proposal

4981
03:15:15,741 --> 03:15:17,309
on what we currently want. And

4982
03:15:17,309 --> 03:15:19,311
for me, for those of you who

4983
03:15:19,311 --> 03:15:23,182
know when I was here the first

4984
03:15:23,182 --> 03:15:24,316
time in the board of supes, I

4985
03:15:24,316 --> 03:15:26,184
really wanted a childcare

4986
03:15:26,184 --> 03:15:27,519
facility this area. It's a big

4987
03:15:27,519 --> 03:15:30,122
deal. It's so important to a

4988
03:15:30,122 --> 03:15:33,122
lot of our county employees.

4989
03:15:33,793 --> 03:15:36,328
Most of you remember I -- my

4990
03:15:36,328 --> 03:15:37,897
last day of chairing the board

4991
03:15:37,897 --> 03:15:39,365
of supervisors, that evening I

4992
03:15:39,365 --> 03:15:40,800
went straight to the hospital

4993
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:44,270
and gave birth the next day.

4994
03:15:44,270 --> 03:15:45,538
And that was the longest board

4995
03:15:45,538 --> 03:15:48,538
of supervisors' meeting we had

4996
03:15:50,910 --> 03:15:54,460
that year in 2017. And so, you

4997
03:15:54,460 --> 03:15:58,246
know, I was blessed and able to

4998
03:15:59,418 --> 03:16:01,954
bring my babies to the county.

4999
03:16:01,954 --> 03:16:03,222
and after board meeting, I would

5000
03:16:03,222 --> 03:16:06,222
go straight upstairs. And so,

5001
03:16:07,892 --> 03:16:10,863
you know, it's -- I think cnc

5002
03:16:10,863 --> 03:16:12,465
has the head start childcare

5003
03:16:12,465 --> 03:16:14,500
facility, and I think it's

5004
03:16:14,500 --> 03:16:16,134
important. Also given that it's

5005
03:16:16,134 --> 03:16:19,134
across from the college campus

5006
03:16:20,740 --> 03:16:24,340
as well. And so that always

5007
03:16:24,777 --> 03:16:26,479
attracts -- I'm very tracted to

5008
03:16:26,479 --> 03:16:27,647
that myself and especially for

5009
03:16:27,647 --> 03:16:29,782
the young families. And I think

5010
03:16:29,782 --> 03:16:30,583
it's a huge asset to the

5011
03:16:30,583 --> 03:16:32,983
college, the future residents

5012
03:16:35,321 --> 03:16:37,656
and abroad. And so, you know, I

5013
03:16:37,656 --> 03:16:40,656
would actually go into the

5014
03:16:40,692 --> 03:16:42,261
negotiation. My two key

5015
03:16:42,261 --> 03:16:45,665
improvements I would look at it

5016
03:16:45,665 --> 03:16:47,567
is shorter-term, ground lease

5017
03:16:47,567 --> 03:16:49,350
term, and also a greater revenue

5018
03:16:49,350 --> 03:16:51,604
generation for the county. And

5019
03:16:51,604 --> 03:16:53,673
I want to make sure that this

5020
03:16:53,673 --> 03:16:55,341
demo costs is not going to

5021
03:16:55,341 --> 03:16:58,377
off-set and take away all of our

5022
03:16:58,377 --> 03:16:59,679
revenue that we've gained from

5023
03:16:59,679 --> 03:17:01,781
these contracts. And given that

5024
03:17:01,781 --> 03:17:03,516
this project has already --

5025
03:17:03,516 --> 03:17:05,151
hasn't really been in play and

5026
03:17:05,151 --> 03:17:07,387
fell out because the bidders

5027
03:17:07,387 --> 03:17:09,880
could not meet their obligation,

5028
03:17:09,880 --> 03:17:10,856
what they've stated in their

5029
03:17:10,856 --> 03:17:12,258
proposals, I don't want us to go

5030
03:17:12,258 --> 03:17:14,260
back there again. And that's

5031
03:17:14,260 --> 03:17:16,129
where I'm very uncomfortable

5032
03:17:16,129 --> 03:17:18,164
with the first option that the

5033
03:17:18,164 --> 03:17:20,500
staff recommended. And again,

5034
03:17:20,500 --> 03:17:21,400
like I said, it's only 300

5035
03:17:21,400 --> 03:17:24,400
points difference. So I would

5036
03:17:24,470 --> 03:17:26,673
actually be more supportive, cnc

5037
03:17:26,673 --> 03:17:29,673
waterford is the first option,

5038
03:17:29,809 --> 03:17:33,409
and tap would be the second

5039
03:17:33,646 --> 03:17:37,416
option if cnc does not come in

5040
03:17:37,416 --> 03:17:39,185
with what we need as a county.

5041
03:17:39,185 --> 03:17:41,421
>>chair, doug chaffee: now we go

5042
03:17:41,421 --> 03:17:42,655
back to supervisor sarmiento.

5043
03:17:42,655 --> 03:17:45,550
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank

5044
03:17:46,159 --> 03:17:49,759
you, MR. Chair. So, matt, if

5045
03:18:07,247 --> 03:18:09,150
you could join us at the podium.

5046
03:18:09,150 --> 03:18:10,550
I think our role is here to

5047
03:18:10,550 --> 03:18:12,485
authorize you, MR. Miller, and

5048
03:18:12,485 --> 03:18:14,870
your team to begin negotiation.

5049
03:18:14,870 --> 03:18:16,322
right. It's not a settlement.

5050
03:18:16,322 --> 03:18:17,524
It's not to say here's what you

5051
03:18:17,524 --> 03:18:21,693
need to do. It's simply for you

5052
03:18:21,693 --> 03:18:25,893
to go out and negotiate with one

5053
03:18:26,332 --> 03:18:28,635
or both and bring something back

5054
03:18:28,635 --> 03:18:32,835
to us, the most viable, has a

5055
03:18:33,106 --> 03:18:35,842
solid return and -- north county

5056
03:18:35,842 --> 03:18:36,743
but also meets some of their

5057
03:18:36,743 --> 03:18:39,743
concerns and priorities I think

5058
03:18:40,480 --> 03:18:43,416
you've heard today. Tell me,

5059
03:18:43,416 --> 03:18:45,851
what -- you met with the city,

5060
03:18:45,851 --> 03:18:47,252
right, that's important. That's

5061
03:18:47,252 --> 03:18:48,588
an important partner that we

5062
03:18:48,588 --> 03:18:51,240
need to hear from. What was

5063
03:18:51,240 --> 03:18:51,590
your -- what did you hear from

5064
03:18:51,590 --> 03:18:52,225
them?

5065
03:18:52,225 --> 03:18:53,560
>>speaker: that's correct. In

5066
03:18:53,560 --> 03:18:55,662
fact, there was a member from

5067
03:18:55,662 --> 03:18:57,397
the city on the evaluation

5068
03:18:57,397 --> 03:18:59,797
panel. And the city

5069
03:19:01,835 --> 03:19:04,835
communicated to staff that their

5070
03:19:05,539 --> 03:19:06,473
preference was that tap bfr

5071
03:19:06,473 --> 03:19:08,174
proposal because they felt it

5072
03:19:08,174 --> 03:19:09,643
was more conducive to the 17th

5073
03:19:09,643 --> 03:19:12,545
street corridor with the mix of

5074
03:19:12,545 --> 03:19:15,545
commercial and green space and

5075
03:19:18,718 --> 03:19:20,186
with the -- a little smaller

5076
03:19:20,186 --> 03:19:21,755
foot print and unit count. The

5077
03:19:21,755 --> 03:19:23,890
city of santa ana is one of the

5078
03:19:23,890 --> 03:19:25,158
few counties I think in orange

5079
03:19:25,158 --> 03:19:27,194
county that's met the arena

5080
03:19:27,194 --> 03:19:30,194
numbers. I don't know that 100%

5081
03:19:30,263 --> 03:19:32,320
of the affordable project was as

5082
03:19:32,320 --> 03:19:33,300
compelling to them as it would

5083
03:19:33,300 --> 03:19:34,568
be to another city.

5084
03:19:34,568 --> 03:19:35,469
>>vincente sarmiento: so to the

5085
03:19:35,469 --> 03:19:37,604
extent that I had a lot to do

5086
03:19:37,604 --> 03:19:39,272
with that, I will take some

5087
03:19:39,272 --> 03:19:40,340
credit for, that I wanted to

5088
03:19:40,340 --> 03:19:44,540
make sure that we met the needs

5089
03:19:45,312 --> 03:19:46,946
not simply for our arena count

5090
03:19:46,946 --> 03:19:51,146
but make sure to meet the needs

5091
03:19:52,986 --> 03:19:55,289
of some of the families there.

5092
03:19:55,289 --> 03:19:57,157
Talking about the rare

5093
03:19:57,157 --> 03:20:00,590
overparking, do we know what the

5094
03:20:00,590 --> 03:20:00,660
parking ratio is for both

5095
03:20:00,660 --> 03:20:02,660
proposals.

5096
03:20:03,960 --> 03:20:04,831
>>speaker: we do. I don't know

5097
03:20:04,831 --> 03:20:07,667
offhand but the parking ratio

5098
03:20:07,667 --> 03:20:09,870
for cnc water ford is lower. I

5099
03:20:09,870 --> 03:20:10,370
do believe that both of the

5100
03:20:10,370 --> 03:20:12,370
proposals would meet

5101
03:20:13,106 --> 03:20:16,106
requirements, but there are --

5102
03:20:17,110 --> 03:20:18,440
within 100% affordable project,

5103
03:20:18,440 --> 03:20:20,444
there are parking allowances

5104
03:20:26,419 --> 03:20:29,323
that they have.. I know when

5105
03:20:29,323 --> 03:20:30,891
the first iteration around of

5106
03:20:30,891 --> 03:20:32,226
these came to the board for this

5107
03:20:32,226 --> 03:20:34,228
consideration some years ago,

5108
03:20:34,228 --> 03:20:36,628
there were proposals at 600

5109
03:20:36,930 --> 03:20:38,365
units, at 400 units. So we're

5110
03:20:38,365 --> 03:20:41,835
far, far away from that, and I

5111
03:20:41,835 --> 03:20:44,471
know that was being discussed up

5112
03:20:44,471 --> 03:20:46,172
here. When I was mayor, I said,

5113
03:20:46,172 --> 03:20:48,709
no, that's not going to work and

5114
03:20:48,709 --> 03:20:50,100
I opposed those aggressively

5115
03:20:50,100 --> 03:20:51,611
just because -- and we've

5116
03:20:51,611 --> 03:20:54,110
already had some developments

5117
03:20:54,648 --> 03:20:56,850
that have come into the city at

5118
03:20:56,850 --> 03:20:57,684
that scale, and they are not

5119
03:20:57,684 --> 03:20:59,186
working out well.

5120
03:20:59,186 --> 03:21:00,955
Unfortunately, we've had many

5121
03:21:00,955 --> 03:21:02,756
that have retail as part of

5122
03:21:02,756 --> 03:21:04,591
those developments and they're

5123
03:21:04,591 --> 03:21:07,591
still sitting vacant. So that's

5124
03:21:11,565 --> 03:21:12,366
the concern with having a large

5125
03:21:12,366 --> 03:21:14,501
retail commercial foot print.

5126
03:21:14,501 --> 03:21:16,170
We all want the sales tax on

5127
03:21:16,170 --> 03:21:17,638
them, but unfortunately filling

5128
03:21:17,638 --> 03:21:19,740
them, finding tenants, to be

5129
03:21:19,740 --> 03:21:20,741
able to sustain them is

5130
03:21:20,741 --> 03:21:22,843
extremely difficult. Go visit

5131
03:21:22,843 --> 03:21:24,511
the site on first street and

5132
03:21:24,511 --> 03:21:26,813
elks lane right off the 5

5133
03:21:26,813 --> 03:21:28,214
freeway. There is

5134
03:21:28,214 --> 03:21:29,490
commercial front, retail front

5135
03:21:29,490 --> 03:21:32,490
that's been sitting vacant I'd

5136
03:21:32,286 --> 03:21:34,288
say for the past six years. So,

5137
03:21:34,288 --> 03:21:35,622
good luck with some of the

5138
03:21:35,622 --> 03:21:36,824
retail and commercial here on

5139
03:21:36,824 --> 03:21:38,892
17th street because just east

5140
03:21:38,892 --> 03:21:40,561
of this development there's an

5141
03:21:40,561 --> 03:21:41,862
old north gate gonzalez market

5142
03:21:41,862 --> 03:21:43,597
shopping center that continues

5143
03:21:43,597 --> 03:21:46,700
to sit there vacant. So to the

5144
03:21:46,700 --> 03:21:47,367
extent I would say as guidance,

5145
03:21:47,367 --> 03:21:50,270
not to negotiate, but just so

5146
03:21:50,270 --> 03:21:52,500
you'll know where my head is

5147
03:21:52,500 --> 03:21:52,706
at -- again, let me remind

5148
03:21:52,706 --> 03:21:54,341
everybody we've had close a

5149
03:21:54,341 --> 03:21:55,843
month to deal with these

5150
03:21:55,843 --> 03:21:58,445
proposals. So a lot of the

5151
03:21:58,445 --> 03:22:01,445
questions I think we're asking

5152
03:22:04,318 --> 03:22:05,953
up here I hope they were asked

5153
03:22:05,953 --> 03:22:07,454
of you, MR. Miller, when we

5154
03:22:07,454 --> 03:22:09,490
received these proposals and to

5155
03:22:09,490 --> 03:22:10,124
date, and I hope everybody has

5156
03:22:10,124 --> 03:22:12,726
had an opportunity to work with

5157
03:22:12,726 --> 03:22:14,362
both of these applicants, but

5158
03:22:14,362 --> 03:22:15,229
it's like we're seeing this

5159
03:22:15,229 --> 03:22:18,829
almost for the first time. In

5160
03:22:20,300 --> 03:22:23,900
any event, I think maybe where

5161
03:22:24,372 --> 03:22:26,673
we can give some additional

5162
03:22:26,673 --> 03:22:29,100
guidance, and I would suggest

5163
03:22:29,100 --> 03:22:31,178
is, you know, let's take this in

5164
03:22:31,178 --> 03:22:32,146
a matter of order, and maybe you

5165
03:22:32,146 --> 03:22:34,480
could work with both teams. I

5166
03:22:34,480 --> 03:22:35,783
think everybody is struggling

5167
03:22:35,783 --> 03:22:37,510
because we have two very

5168
03:22:37,510 --> 03:22:38,285
competitive and strong proposals

5169
03:22:38,285 --> 03:22:40,221
from teams that have done really

5170
03:22:40,221 --> 03:22:41,255
thoughtful work here, which is,

5171
03:22:41,255 --> 03:22:43,457
again, a blessing and a dilemma

5172
03:22:43,457 --> 03:22:45,592
at the same time. Maybe what

5173
03:22:45,592 --> 03:22:47,294
you could do is in order of,

5174
03:22:47,294 --> 03:22:49,694
again, the recommendation that

5175
03:22:49,830 --> 03:22:51,632
you saw, and to me -- what moves

5176
03:22:51,632 --> 03:22:52,900
me is where was it sitting

5177
03:22:52,900 --> 03:22:57,100
and -- where was the city, and

5178
03:23:02,476 --> 03:23:05,513
has the city seen this? And I

5179
03:23:05,513 --> 03:23:08,513
understand MR. Peskapur, who was

5180
03:23:08,615 --> 03:23:09,216
the director of planning, was on

5181
03:23:09,216 --> 03:23:11,850
the panel. Somebody from the

5182
03:23:11,850 --> 03:23:13,354
city was on, that I know he's

5183
03:23:13,354 --> 03:23:13,987
the new director of the planning

5184
03:23:13,987 --> 03:23:16,387
department across the street.

5185
03:23:17,925 --> 03:23:21,525
So it's important that they saw

5186
03:23:21,562 --> 03:23:23,998
this, they see the differences,

5187
03:23:23,998 --> 03:23:24,898
the benefits, but gins

5188
03:23:24,898 --> 03:23:26,500
cooperating that opinion and

5189
03:23:26,500 --> 03:23:28,536
sounds like everybody else, with

5190
03:23:28,536 --> 03:23:29,536
respect to labor, with respect

5191
03:23:29,536 --> 03:23:32,390
to santa ana college, both have

5192
03:23:32,390 --> 03:23:34,342
been approached by both parties.

5193
03:23:34,342 --> 03:23:36,944
So that due diligence is strong

5194
03:23:36,944 --> 03:23:38,445
on behalf of both teams. So I

5195
03:23:38,445 --> 03:23:41,480
don't doubt that for a second.

5196
03:23:41,480 --> 03:23:43,284
I just think that now at this

5197
03:23:43,284 --> 03:23:45,419
point, if we're struggling,

5198
03:23:45,419 --> 03:23:46,520
having a difficulty making a

5199
03:23:46,520 --> 03:23:47,654
decision, and I don't think it

5200
03:23:47,654 --> 03:23:50,624
needs to be unanimous, I

5201
03:23:50,624 --> 03:23:53,940
continue to say, because I think

5202
03:23:53,940 --> 03:23:54,528
to the chair's point, that's how

5203
03:23:54,528 --> 03:23:57,632
I analyze this, as well, with

5204
03:23:57,632 --> 03:24:00,167
respect to the tax credits and

5205
03:24:00,167 --> 03:24:01,135
bonds. You really don't know

5206
03:24:01,135 --> 03:24:03,204
whether you're going to be

5207
03:24:03,204 --> 03:24:05,604
successful because you don't

5208
03:24:06,140 --> 03:24:08,375
know the pool of other proposals

5209
03:24:08,375 --> 03:24:11,375
that you're applying with. It

5210
03:24:11,512 --> 03:24:13,314
could be a very robust pool of

5211
03:24:13,314 --> 03:24:15,714
applicants with good projects.

5212
03:24:16,217 --> 03:24:19,217
And there is uncertainty and,

5213
03:24:19,320 --> 03:24:20,788
you know, it's -- it's not as

5214
03:24:20,788 --> 03:24:23,324
clear. It could be delayed as a

5215
03:24:23,324 --> 03:24:26,600
result of there being some very

5216
03:24:26,600 --> 03:24:27,161
strong competition in the pool

5217
03:24:27,161 --> 03:24:28,763
of tax credits that you're

5218
03:24:28,763 --> 03:24:30,698
applying for, depending on what

5219
03:24:30,698 --> 03:24:33,834
the cycle looks like. I think

5220
03:24:33,834 --> 03:24:35,236
when it comes to conventional

5221
03:24:35,236 --> 03:24:38,236
financing, I think it's more

5222
03:24:38,473 --> 03:24:39,173
certain, this is a viable

5223
03:24:39,173 --> 03:24:39,707
mixed-use development, it's

5224
03:24:39,707 --> 03:24:41,420
right in the center of the

5225
03:24:41,420 --> 03:24:44,642
county. This isn't going out on

5226
03:24:44,745 --> 03:24:46,881
a limb. It's your typical, you

5227
03:24:46,881 --> 03:24:48,549
know, public, private

5228
03:24:48,549 --> 03:24:50,885
partnership on a development for

5229
03:24:50,885 --> 03:24:52,954
housing where it's, you know,

5230
03:24:52,954 --> 03:24:53,554
sorely needed right in central

5231
03:24:53,554 --> 03:24:54,889
county. I don't think it will

5232
03:24:54,889 --> 03:24:56,824
be a stretch for any lending

5233
03:24:56,824 --> 03:24:57,691
institution to provide that sort

5234
03:24:57,691 --> 03:24:59,293
of financing.

5235
03:24:59,293 --> 03:25:03,131
So I don't see that as much of a

5236
03:25:03,131 --> 03:25:05,466
risk. Again, I agree with the

5237
03:25:05,466 --> 03:25:07,702
chair. I have seen really

5238
03:25:07,702 --> 03:25:09,403
strong projects struggle because

5239
03:25:09,403 --> 03:25:11,439
they compete against other

5240
03:25:11,439 --> 03:25:13,541
prisons that are equally strong.

5241
03:25:13,541 --> 03:25:16,177
And so it is a very speculative

5242
03:25:16,177 --> 03:25:17,511
thing for us to be able to say

5243
03:25:17,511 --> 03:25:19,814
one will be sooner or quicker

5244
03:25:19,814 --> 03:25:23,414
than the other. I think that

5245
03:25:23,551 --> 03:25:24,585
actually going out to the

5246
03:25:24,585 --> 03:25:26,922
conventional, you know, market

5247
03:25:26,922 --> 03:25:30,522
will be quicker on this point.

5248
03:25:30,624 --> 03:25:32,293
And I know time is not so much

5249
03:25:32,293 --> 03:25:34,295
of the essence but we certainly

5250
03:25:34,295 --> 03:25:37,732
would like to see this stood up

5251
03:25:37,732 --> 03:25:38,933
and move forward. So maybe we

5252
03:25:38,933 --> 03:25:41,435
could adjust the direction and

5253
03:25:41,435 --> 03:25:43,170
say could you concurrently in

5254
03:25:43,170 --> 03:25:46,170
order of what staff recommended

5255
03:25:48,343 --> 03:25:49,945
see what we can do with one

5256
03:25:49,945 --> 03:25:51,446
partner being tap first and then

5257
03:25:51,446 --> 03:25:54,182
seeing if they can achieve

5258
03:25:54,182 --> 03:25:55,450
better affordability, which, you

5259
03:25:55,450 --> 03:25:56,885
know, which is almost blending

5260
03:25:56,885 --> 03:25:58,820
these two together. If it

5261
03:25:58,820 --> 03:26:00,354
doesn't work for them, if it

5262
03:26:00,354 --> 03:26:02,790
doesn't seem to be able to

5263
03:26:02,790 --> 03:26:05,293
pencil out, they're not able to

5264
03:26:05,293 --> 03:26:06,828
make that -- the adjustments

5265
03:26:06,828 --> 03:26:09,231
they've heard, then, you know,

5266
03:26:09,231 --> 03:26:10,698
you have cnc waterford to maybe

5267
03:26:10,698 --> 03:26:14,298
work with them and see, look,

5268
03:26:15,236 --> 03:26:16,538
can you provide us a better

5269
03:26:16,538 --> 03:26:18,938
return and something more

5270
03:26:19,574 --> 03:26:21,760
similar to what I think tap is

5271
03:26:21,760 --> 03:26:21,909
recommending. So that seems to

5272
03:26:21,909 --> 03:26:24,212
be the only way out of this

5273
03:26:24,212 --> 03:26:26,848
unless we just simply, you know,

5274
03:26:26,848 --> 03:26:28,883
flip a coin. So I don't know if

5275
03:26:28,883 --> 03:26:29,684
there's a better approach. But

5276
03:26:29,684 --> 03:26:29,951
maybe you can recommend

5277
03:26:29,951 --> 03:26:31,319
something.

5278
03:26:31,319 --> 03:26:32,186
>>speaker: well, we'll always

5279
03:26:32,186 --> 03:26:35,230
take our direction from the

5280
03:26:35,230 --> 03:26:38,623
board. But I think to your

5281
03:26:38,994 --> 03:26:42,497
point, you know, if we take it

5282
03:26:42,497 --> 03:26:43,531
subsequently we can go to tap

5283
03:26:43,531 --> 03:26:46,531
bfr, do the negotiations and

5284
03:26:48,136 --> 03:26:49,805
then go back to report to the

5285
03:26:49,805 --> 03:26:52,805
board on closed sessions where

5286
03:26:53,241 --> 03:26:54,242
we are. And then we can take

5287
03:26:54,242 --> 03:26:56,578
direction from the board whether

5288
03:26:56,578 --> 03:26:57,546
to move forward or to move on to

5289
03:26:57,546 --> 03:26:58,914
the next proposer.

5290
03:26:58,914 --> 03:27:01,314
>>vincente sarmiento: well, I

5291
03:27:07,990 --> 03:27:09,424
don't know if -- . I want

5292
03:27:09,424 --> 03:27:11,726
whatever is some of the most

5293
03:27:11,726 --> 03:27:13,461
beneficial proposals here to

5294
03:27:13,461 --> 03:27:14,863
come back to us with some

5295
03:27:14,863 --> 03:27:15,630
adjustments I think that you

5296
03:27:15,630 --> 03:27:16,998
heard.

5297
03:27:16,998 --> 03:27:19,998
>>speaker: and what I'm trying

5298
03:27:21,136 --> 03:27:24,105
to address is a variety of

5299
03:27:24,105 --> 03:27:25,607
you -- you know, looking at cnc

5300
03:27:25,607 --> 03:27:27,909
waterford, they didn't take an

5301
03:27:27,909 --> 03:27:30,345
exception to the demolition cost

5302
03:27:30,345 --> 03:27:31,746
but they kind of included it in

5303
03:27:31,746 --> 03:27:33,549
their site work. In any case,

5304
03:27:33,549 --> 03:27:34,917
both will have to do their due

5305
03:27:34,917 --> 03:27:37,218
diligence and get a better hand

5306
03:27:37,218 --> 03:27:38,530
on what that cause you will be.

5307
03:27:38,530 --> 03:27:39,254
But as we move through those

5308
03:27:39,254 --> 03:27:40,355
good mornings and the issues are

5309
03:27:40,355 --> 03:27:41,560
clarified more, we'll have more

5310
03:27:41,560 --> 03:27:44,560
information to report back to

5311
03:27:50,199 --> 03:27:51,867
the board on the status and that

5312
03:27:51,867 --> 03:27:54,102
would be our intent anyway. I

5313
03:27:54,102 --> 03:27:55,804
would see that working kind of

5314
03:27:55,804 --> 03:27:57,173
subsequently as we would meet

5315
03:27:57,173 --> 03:27:59,174
with the primary proposer to try

5316
03:27:59,174 --> 03:27:59,975
to clarify some of those, get

5317
03:27:59,975 --> 03:28:01,543
some better information and then

5318
03:28:01,543 --> 03:28:02,811
report back to the board on the

5319
03:28:02,811 --> 03:28:04,680
status. Ultimately any option

5320
03:28:04,680 --> 03:28:05,647
lease will have to be approved

5321
03:28:05,647 --> 03:28:07,315
by the board so we want to make

5322
03:28:07,315 --> 03:28:08,117
sure that when we bring it, that

5323
03:28:08,117 --> 03:28:09,852
that is appropriate.

5324
03:28:09,852 --> 03:28:10,786
>>vincente sarmiento: and that's

5325
03:28:10,786 --> 03:28:12,521
the direction that we're asked

5326
03:28:12,521 --> 03:28:14,220
to give today.

5327
03:28:14,220 --> 03:28:14,322
>>chair, doug chaffee: back to

5328
03:28:14,322 --> 03:28:14,956
vice-chair.

5329
03:28:14,956 --> 03:28:17,956
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

5330
03:28:22,432 --> 03:28:24,567
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. So this is

5331
03:28:24,567 --> 03:28:28,167
tough bruise we have one, two

5332
03:28:29,104 --> 03:28:30,205
very good projects that -- good

5333
03:28:30,205 --> 03:28:31,741
proposals, rather, that also

5334
03:28:31,741 --> 03:28:34,741
have, you know, a negligible

5335
03:28:35,243 --> 03:28:37,579
difference in points, right.

5336
03:28:37,579 --> 03:28:39,114
Secondly, the -- there's some

5337
03:28:39,114 --> 03:28:41,514
uncertainty about what was

5338
03:28:42,351 --> 03:28:44,751
included in the financial

5339
03:28:46,288 --> 03:28:49,288
projections. The one project is

5340
03:28:50,726 --> 03:28:51,660
proposing stabilize rent at

5341
03:28:51,660 --> 03:28:53,660
$573,496 annually.

5342
03:28:53,862 --> 03:28:56,262
. The other bidder is

5343
03:28:57,799 --> 03:28:59,799
proportion $257,096 annually.

5344
03:29:02,471 --> 03:29:04,471
. I'm sorry, 316,400 annually.

5345
03:29:05,440 --> 03:29:07,876
, which is a delta of 257. So

5346
03:29:07,876 --> 03:29:11,476
it looks on paper as proposed

5347
03:29:11,480 --> 03:29:12,881
that I had we're going to have

5348
03:29:12,881 --> 03:29:14,881
$257,000 annually.

5349
03:29:15,117 --> 03:29:16,952
more rent that we would recover

5350
03:29:16,952 --> 03:29:21,152
based on the staff report and on

5351
03:29:23,593 --> 03:29:26,593
the information that I have.

5352
03:29:26,829 --> 03:29:27,696
But they're -- you know, I guess

5353
03:29:27,696 --> 03:29:28,564
I'm not convinced that the

5354
03:29:28,564 --> 03:29:30,964
financial projections for the

5355
03:29:31,968 --> 03:29:33,101
one project are based on rent

5356
03:29:33,101 --> 03:29:35,304
and not on household, based on

5357
03:29:35,304 --> 03:29:36,339
our discussion here today. And

5358
03:29:36,339 --> 03:29:39,410
so that's something I'd want to

5359
03:29:39,410 --> 03:29:42,641
get confirmed. I'd want to know

5360
03:29:42,778 --> 03:29:44,346
that the pro formas are based on

5361
03:29:44,346 --> 03:29:45,915
rent because that is what is

5362
03:29:45,915 --> 03:29:48,350
required under the surplus land

5363
03:29:48,350 --> 03:29:51,387
act exemption. So what I would

5364
03:29:51,387 --> 03:29:52,789
propose is that instead of doing

5365
03:29:52,789 --> 03:29:54,390
this, go negotiate with one and

5366
03:29:54,390 --> 03:29:55,925
then see what happens with that

5367
03:29:55,925 --> 03:29:57,660
one and then go to the other

5368
03:29:57,660 --> 03:29:59,162
one, I would like us to

5369
03:29:59,162 --> 03:30:01,162
negotiate simultaneously with

5370
03:30:02,640 --> 03:30:04,500
each of these proposers and get

5371
03:30:04,500 --> 03:30:07,570
the best deal. Because at the

5372
03:30:07,570 --> 03:30:09,172
end of the day, I think all of

5373
03:30:09,172 --> 03:30:11,106
us want the best deal. We want

5374
03:30:11,106 --> 03:30:12,341
the best deal that generates the

5375
03:30:12,341 --> 03:30:15,144
most revenue for the county,

5376
03:30:15,144 --> 03:30:17,479
both upfront and long term. We

5377
03:30:17,479 --> 03:30:19,482
want the best deal that

5378
03:30:19,482 --> 03:30:22,482
generates the -- a development

5379
03:30:22,985 --> 03:30:24,954
that meets the needs -- that the

5380
03:30:24,954 --> 03:30:26,954
supervisor representing district

5381
03:30:30,526 --> 03:30:31,827
2 has suggested in terps of a

5382
03:30:31,827 --> 03:30:34,827
larger unit, two bedrooms, three

5383
03:30:35,531 --> 03:30:37,931
bedrooms. Address parking, more

5384
03:30:38,701 --> 03:30:39,869
affordability. So I guess I

5385
03:30:39,869 --> 03:30:41,303
would ask supervisor sarmiento

5386
03:30:41,303 --> 03:30:43,639
if you would be willing to

5387
03:30:43,639 --> 03:30:45,574
direct staff to go forward in

5388
03:30:45,574 --> 03:30:46,809
negotiating to get with both

5389
03:30:46,809 --> 03:30:50,409
bidders to come back with what's

5390
03:30:50,412 --> 03:30:53,549
the best deal based on some key

5391
03:30:53,549 --> 03:30:55,949
conditions. One, that we

5392
03:30:57,921 --> 03:31:00,523
confirm the rent issue as part

5393
03:31:00,523 --> 03:31:02,923
the financial projections. Two,

5394
03:31:04,160 --> 03:31:04,994
that is the issues receipted to

5395
03:31:04,994 --> 03:31:06,994
more affordability are

5396
03:31:08,131 --> 03:31:10,133
addressed. Three, that they

5397
03:31:10,133 --> 03:31:13,269
have two and three bedrooms, not

5398
03:31:13,269 --> 03:31:15,705
just singles and one bedrooms,

5399
03:31:15,705 --> 03:31:16,906
four, that the demolition is

5400
03:31:16,906 --> 03:31:19,341
paid by the bidder, regardless

5401
03:31:19,341 --> 03:31:22,778
of who the bidder is, that the

5402
03:31:22,778 --> 03:31:26,378
demolition costs are paid by the

5403
03:31:27,850 --> 03:31:29,652
bidder. Five, that we get an

5404
03:31:29,652 --> 03:31:31,120
upfront payment to be able to

5405
03:31:31,120 --> 03:31:34,120
move our healthcare agency as

5406
03:31:34,891 --> 03:31:36,626
opposed to having to get trickle

5407
03:31:36,626 --> 03:31:40,226
in over time kind of reimburse

5408
03:31:40,530 --> 03:31:43,400
the county for that. And 6,

5409
03:31:43,400 --> 03:31:45,835
that there is a condition that

5410
03:31:45,835 --> 03:31:47,370
this is a project labor

5411
03:31:47,370 --> 03:31:48,571
agreement request all of the

5412
03:31:48,571 --> 03:31:49,472
trades, not just a few of them,

5413
03:31:49,472 --> 03:31:50,407
that it is with the building

5414
03:31:50,407 --> 03:31:52,807
trades and carpenters and

5415
03:31:53,309 --> 03:31:54,810
laborers. And then, seven, that

5416
03:31:54,810 --> 03:31:57,146
there is a childcare facility as

5417
03:31:57,146 --> 03:31:59,516
part of this, because I agree,

5418
03:31:59,516 --> 03:32:00,783
and I liked that component, the

5419
03:32:00,783 --> 03:32:02,518
head start. You know, I'm a

5420
03:32:02,518 --> 03:32:04,120
head start graduate myself. I

5421
03:32:04,120 --> 03:32:06,256
do value the importance of those

5422
03:32:06,256 --> 03:32:08,458
kinds of programs. So, you

5423
03:32:08,458 --> 03:32:10,393
know, those are -- that's what I

5424
03:32:10,393 --> 03:32:11,994
would ask, supervisor sarmiento,

5425
03:32:11,994 --> 03:32:13,463
if you would be willing to agree

5426
03:32:13,463 --> 03:32:14,831
to so that they could negotiate

5427
03:32:14,831 --> 03:32:16,432
with both and get us the best

5428
03:32:16,432 --> 03:32:18,501
deal and then bring it back in

5429
03:32:18,501 --> 03:32:20,170
30 days, and then we go with the

5430
03:32:20,170 --> 03:32:22,605
best deal since, I think, all of

5431
03:32:22,605 --> 03:32:24,540
us like both projects.

5432
03:32:24,540 --> 03:32:24,774
>>vincente sarmiento: I do

5433
03:32:24,774 --> 03:32:25,775
answer?

5434
03:32:25,775 --> 03:32:27,143
>>speaker:th going to take a

5435
03:32:27,143 --> 03:32:27,877
lot longer than 30 days.

5436
03:32:27,877 --> 03:32:30,877
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: how

5437
03:32:30,913 --> 03:32:31,214
many days do you need,

5438
03:32:31,214 --> 03:32:32,215
MR. Miller?

5439
03:32:32,215 --> 03:32:32,682
>>speaker: I actually can't

5440
03:32:32,682 --> 03:32:33,416
answer that right now.

5441
03:32:33,416 --> 03:32:35,418
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

5442
03:32:35,418 --> 03:32:37,954
could negotiate this deal in 30

5443
03:32:37,954 --> 03:32:39,288
days. So come on, how many days

5444
03:32:39,288 --> 03:32:40,990
do you need?

5445
03:32:40,990 --> 03:32:41,224
>>speaker: I would say six

5446
03:32:41,224 --> 03:32:43,224
months.

5447
03:32:43,659 --> 03:32:46,659
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: six

5448
03:32:47,597 --> 03:32:48,164
months? Why?

5449
03:32:48,164 --> 03:32:49,466
>>speaker: you're asking me,

5450
03:32:49,466 --> 03:32:50,633
you're talking about doing --

5451
03:32:50,633 --> 03:32:51,735
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: then

5452
03:32:51,735 --> 03:32:53,136
we're not ready to vote on it

5453
03:32:53,136 --> 03:32:54,204
today if you need six months.

5454
03:32:54,204 --> 03:32:55,472
>>speaker: you're talking real

5455
03:32:55,472 --> 03:32:57,400
estate good mornings with two

5456
03:32:57,400 --> 03:32:58,274
parties which are going to

5457
03:32:58,274 --> 03:32:59,476
require revisions of their

5458
03:32:59,476 --> 03:33:02,146
projects and then full pro

5459
03:33:02,146 --> 03:33:05,146
formas, right. What we have

5460
03:33:05,281 --> 03:33:06,816
right now are not full pro

5461
03:33:06,816 --> 03:33:07,818
formas with all of the back-up

5462
03:33:07,818 --> 03:33:10,530
information. So we need to give

5463
03:33:10,530 --> 03:33:12,255
them time to change their

5464
03:33:12,255 --> 03:33:13,890
projects and then to negotiate

5465
03:33:13,890 --> 03:33:13,991
the terms.

5466
03:33:13,991 --> 03:33:15,258
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,

5467
03:33:15,258 --> 03:33:16,860
then you're telling me that we

5468
03:33:16,860 --> 03:33:18,328
can't even vote on this today if

5469
03:33:18,328 --> 03:33:19,930
it's going to take six months to

5470
03:33:19,930 --> 03:33:21,565
find out what the pro formas

5471
03:33:21,565 --> 03:33:23,000
are, we shouldn't be voting on

5472
03:33:23,000 --> 03:33:24,767
it today at all. That doesn't

5473
03:33:24,767 --> 03:33:26,737
make sense to me.

5474
03:33:26,737 --> 03:33:27,270
>>speaker: all we're asking for

5475
03:33:27,270 --> 03:33:29,139
today is the authority to

5476
03:33:29,139 --> 03:33:30,207
negotiate. And if we're going

5477
03:33:30,207 --> 03:33:33,207
to negotiate with two parties,

5478
03:33:33,310 --> 03:33:36,310
it's going to extend that

5479
03:33:38,181 --> 03:33:39,750
timeframe. If we're asking for,

5480
03:33:39,750 --> 03:33:41,719
say, best or final offers, then

5481
03:33:41,719 --> 03:33:44,321
that's probably a 30 or 60-day

5482
03:33:44,321 --> 03:33:46,657
process. I guess it depends on

5483
03:33:46,657 --> 03:33:49,159
how in depth we're getting into

5484
03:33:49,159 --> 03:33:52,950
negotiating the project. So if

5485
03:33:52,950 --> 03:33:53,830
I were to come back with final,

5486
03:33:53,830 --> 03:33:55,165
full projects and documents for

5487
03:33:55,165 --> 03:33:57,467
the board, that would be six

5488
03:33:57,467 --> 03:33:59,200
months. If we're talking about

5489
03:33:59,200 --> 03:34:01,438
in essence the best and final

5490
03:34:01,438 --> 03:34:01,638
off, then I would say 30 to 60

5491
03:34:01,638 --> 03:34:02,305
days.

5492
03:34:02,305 --> 03:34:03,941
>>vincente sarmiento: MR. Chair,

5493
03:34:03,941 --> 03:34:05,309
I can offer something up since I

5494
03:34:05,309 --> 03:34:08,780
made the motion to move forward

5495
03:34:08,780 --> 03:34:08,645
with staff's recommendation?

5496
03:34:08,645 --> 03:34:11,214
MR. Miller, do you think it

5497
03:34:11,214 --> 03:34:13,517
might be more reasonable, looks

5498
03:34:13,517 --> 03:34:15,520
like, you know, we'd like to

5499
03:34:15,520 --> 03:34:17,587
hear from both mistake be can'ts

5500
03:34:17,587 --> 03:34:19,824
a little bit more on some of the

5501
03:34:19,824 --> 03:34:21,124
questions. And, look, I could

5502
03:34:21,124 --> 03:34:22,660
come up with a laundry list of

5503
03:34:22,660 --> 03:34:24,428
specific questions. I didn't

5504
03:34:24,428 --> 03:34:26,263
want to do that. You know, from

5505
03:34:26,263 --> 03:34:27,564
up here, we can meet off-line.

5506
03:34:27,564 --> 03:34:29,600
I think we can meet with all

5507
03:34:29,600 --> 03:34:31,935
board offices to get some more

5508
03:34:31,935 --> 03:34:33,604
specifics of what they'd like to

5509
03:34:33,604 --> 03:34:35,710
understand but I think you need

5510
03:34:35,710 --> 03:34:38,408
to have some clear direction on

5511
03:34:38,408 --> 03:34:39,743
what your team needs to do next.

5512
03:34:39,743 --> 03:34:41,345
So I think what we're saying,

5513
03:34:41,345 --> 03:34:43,747
we're saying the same thing.

5514
03:34:43,747 --> 03:34:46,183
You MAY want to be, you know,

5515
03:34:46,183 --> 03:34:49,190
speaking with cnc as you speak

5516
03:34:49,190 --> 03:34:49,987
with tap. I just think the

5517
03:34:49,987 --> 03:34:52,189
sequencing matters. Again, who

5518
03:34:52,189 --> 03:34:53,290
are you going to call first?

5519
03:34:53,290 --> 03:34:54,892
Who is the team going to spend

5520
03:34:54,892 --> 03:34:56,493
time with? Some team MAY say,

5521
03:34:56,493 --> 03:34:58,762
look, they're spending more time

5522
03:34:58,762 --> 03:35:00,364
with the cnc team and not enough

5523
03:35:00,364 --> 03:35:02,566
time with us. That's tricky to

5524
03:35:02,566 --> 03:35:04,268
say go negotiate with both. I

5525
03:35:04,268 --> 03:35:08,939
would just say, if we can to the

5526
03:35:08,939 --> 03:35:11,939
CHAIRMAN's point, work with the

5527
03:35:12,776 --> 03:35:14,378
recommended staff, what staff

5528
03:35:14,378 --> 03:35:17,181
recommended, a choice first as

5529
03:35:17,181 --> 03:35:18,749
you also work with cnc sort of

5530
03:35:18,749 --> 03:35:20,451
in sequence. That to me is

5531
03:35:20,451 --> 03:35:22,620
something that makes the most

5532
03:35:22,620 --> 03:35:24,287
sense. I think it will give you

5533
03:35:24,287 --> 03:35:25,989
some ability to go ahead and,

5534
03:35:25,989 --> 03:35:27,358
you know, make sure your time is

5535
03:35:27,358 --> 03:35:30,260
used well. I would say come

5536
03:35:30,260 --> 03:35:31,194
back to us in 60 days with an

5537
03:35:31,194 --> 03:35:33,197
update to see what you have.

5538
03:35:33,197 --> 03:35:33,797
Maybe you're further along in 60

5539
03:35:33,797 --> 03:35:36,333
days and you know that one of

5540
03:35:36,333 --> 03:35:37,902
the teams just can't do what

5541
03:35:37,902 --> 03:35:39,570
we're asking them to do. And

5542
03:35:39,570 --> 03:35:43,107
that's what I would just say oh

5543
03:35:43,107 --> 03:35:44,841
basically what we're asking for

5544
03:35:44,841 --> 03:35:47,440
is a continuance I guess, just

5545
03:35:47,440 --> 03:35:49,446
go back and incorporate this and

5546
03:35:49,446 --> 03:35:50,447
give us an update on sort of

5547
03:35:50,447 --> 03:35:51,782
prenegotiations or discussions.

5548
03:35:51,782 --> 03:35:55,382
>>speaker: I think it would be

5549
03:35:59,423 --> 03:36:01,192
better if the board not only has

5550
03:36:01,192 --> 03:36:03,930
to pick a proposer but allows us

5551
03:36:03,930 --> 03:36:03,695
to go and negotiate, whether

5552
03:36:03,695 --> 03:36:05,629
it's one proposer or another,

5553
03:36:05,629 --> 03:36:06,631
and based on that we can report

5554
03:36:06,631 --> 03:36:06,898
back to the board in closed

5555
03:36:06,898 --> 03:36:08,898
sessions.

5556
03:36:09,467 --> 03:36:11,100
>>speaker: I would say in -- is

5557
03:36:11,100 --> 03:36:11,803
60 days sufficient to have those

5558
03:36:11,803 --> 03:36:13,270
discussions, maybe not

5559
03:36:13,270 --> 03:36:15,439
completed, but at least to

5560
03:36:15,439 --> 03:36:16,440
update us to see where we are?

5561
03:36:16,440 --> 03:36:17,975
>>speaker: yes. If we're

5562
03:36:17,975 --> 03:36:19,644
getting in essence best and

5563
03:36:19,644 --> 03:36:20,911
final offers and reporting back

5564
03:36:20,911 --> 03:36:23,214
to the board, I think we can do

5565
03:36:23,214 --> 03:36:24,115
that in 60 days. We're

5566
03:36:24,115 --> 03:36:25,449
obviously not going to have kind

5567
03:36:25,449 --> 03:36:28,586
of the full, you know, package

5568
03:36:28,586 --> 03:36:28,786
of documents and all of that,

5569
03:36:28,786 --> 03:36:29,253
but --

5570
03:36:29,253 --> 03:36:30,288
>>vincente sarmiento:

5571
03:36:30,288 --> 03:36:32,323
understood. But you'll at least

5572
03:36:32,323 --> 03:36:33,958
have a better understanding from

5573
03:36:33,958 --> 03:36:34,858
both teams whether or not

5574
03:36:34,858 --> 03:36:36,861
demolition will be a challenge,

5575
03:36:36,861 --> 03:36:38,290
whether it's maybe increasing

5576
03:36:38,290 --> 03:36:41,629
the density so there's a better

5577
03:36:41,732 --> 03:36:42,834
unit mix and more profound ami,

5578
03:36:42,834 --> 03:36:44,168
whether that's even possible.

5579
03:36:44,168 --> 03:36:45,770
Maybe they say, look, doesn't

5580
03:36:45,770 --> 03:36:47,872
work for us. You know, we're

5581
03:36:47,872 --> 03:36:49,406
going to go ahead and gracefully

5582
03:36:49,406 --> 03:36:50,975
bow out. But at least we'll

5583
03:36:50,975 --> 03:36:53,440
have a better understanding in

5584
03:36:53,440 --> 03:36:54,145
60 days once you have these

5585
03:36:54,145 --> 03:36:55,613
conversations with both teams

5586
03:36:55,613 --> 03:36:56,947
than what we have to now,

5587
03:36:56,947 --> 03:36:58,216
because right now you're being

5588
03:36:58,216 --> 03:37:00,616
asked very specific questions

5589
03:37:00,719 --> 03:37:02,153
that I think, again, to your

5590
03:37:02,153 --> 03:37:03,154
point, yeah, they could take as

5591
03:37:03,154 --> 03:37:06,191
long as six months if you want

5592
03:37:06,191 --> 03:37:06,924
to come back and answer these

5593
03:37:06,924 --> 03:37:08,626
questions, that many of them

5594
03:37:08,626 --> 03:37:10,628
should have been answered with

5595
03:37:10,628 --> 03:37:12,964
your team, you know, in

5596
03:37:12,964 --> 03:37:14,766
discussions. But in any event,

5597
03:37:14,766 --> 03:37:17,100
here we are. MR. Chair, that

5598
03:37:17,100 --> 03:37:18,803
would be my suggestion, that we

5599
03:37:18,803 --> 03:37:21,803
give MR. Miller some opportunity

5600
03:37:22,874 --> 03:37:23,908
to go ahead and discuss with

5601
03:37:23,908 --> 03:37:26,745
both teams whether or not either

5602
03:37:26,745 --> 03:37:29,947
one of them could address and

5603
03:37:29,947 --> 03:37:30,281
incorporate some of the

5604
03:37:30,281 --> 03:37:31,382
alternative --

5605
03:37:31,382 --> 03:37:31,682
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

5606
03:37:31,682 --> 03:37:33,500
second that.

5607
03:37:33,500 --> 03:37:33,918
>>janet nguyen: are we going to

5608
03:37:33,918 --> 03:37:35,419
negotiate both? It was one

5609
03:37:35,419 --> 03:37:36,220
first and then now two.

5610
03:37:36,220 --> 03:37:37,888
>>vincente sarmiento: well,

5611
03:37:37,888 --> 03:37:39,256
they're going to have to call

5612
03:37:39,256 --> 03:37:40,792
one team. You can't call them

5613
03:37:40,792 --> 03:37:41,358
both concurrently.

5614
03:37:41,358 --> 03:37:42,393
>>janet nguyen: it's so not.

5615
03:37:42,393 --> 03:37:43,940
>>vincente sarmiento: well,

5616
03:37:43,940 --> 03:37:45,196
you're going to be talking to

5617
03:37:45,196 --> 03:37:45,864
both. You have to.

5618
03:37:45,864 --> 03:37:46,898
>>janet nguyen: so the motion is

5619
03:37:46,898 --> 03:37:49,200
to negotiate with both at the

5620
03:37:49,200 --> 03:37:53,400
same time or are we doing one

5621
03:37:53,400 --> 03:37:54,405
and then the other? Because I'm

5622
03:37:54,405 --> 03:37:55,339
confused.

5623
03:37:55,339 --> 03:37:56,474
>>speaker: what I would

5624
03:37:56,474 --> 03:37:59,474
recommend judging from what the

5625
03:38:00,178 --> 03:38:03,778
school board saying is to give

5626
03:38:04,415 --> 03:38:05,850
authority to ceo's office to

5627
03:38:05,850 --> 03:38:08,352
engage with both proposers and

5628
03:38:08,352 --> 03:38:10,154
get best and final offers based

5629
03:38:10,154 --> 03:38:12,290
on your input today and then

5630
03:38:12,290 --> 03:38:14,626
report back to the board in

5631
03:38:14,626 --> 03:38:15,359
closed sessions within 60 days.

5632
03:38:15,359 --> 03:38:17,461
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

5633
03:38:17,461 --> 03:38:17,728
that's the motion I would

5634
03:38:17,728 --> 03:38:19,728
support.

5635
03:38:19,798 --> 03:38:21,132
>>vincente sarmiento: if that

5636
03:38:21,132 --> 03:38:23,340
make the most sense, I think,

5637
03:38:23,340 --> 03:38:24,235
MR. Miller, for you to be able

5638
03:38:24,235 --> 03:38:27,272
to sort of move and incorporate

5639
03:38:27,272 --> 03:38:29,941
what's been said up here.

5640
03:38:29,941 --> 03:38:32,430
Although, a lot of it has sort

5641
03:38:32,430 --> 03:38:32,377
of despair rate, but I would

5642
03:38:32,377 --> 03:38:33,578
support that.

5643
03:38:33,578 --> 03:38:35,980
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: but

5644
03:38:35,980 --> 03:38:37,382
to me the critical component is

5645
03:38:37,382 --> 03:38:39,617
the pla and the ami

5646
03:38:39,617 --> 03:38:42,530
confirmation, that the ami rent

5647
03:38:42,530 --> 03:38:43,880
is accurately included in the

5648
03:38:43,880 --> 03:38:44,556
financial projection.

5649
03:38:44,556 --> 03:38:46,792
>>don wagner: if we're just

5650
03:38:46,792 --> 03:38:48,427
going to blurt out -- for me,

5651
03:38:48,427 --> 03:38:49,728
what's most important --

5652
03:38:49,728 --> 03:38:51,963
>>chair, doug chaffee: if I MAY,

5653
03:38:51,963 --> 03:38:53,664
if I MAY, I think we're handing

5654
03:38:53,664 --> 03:38:56,000
staff an impossible task.

5655
03:38:56,000 --> 03:38:57,502
There's only so much staff, and

5656
03:38:57,502 --> 03:38:58,737
I still feel the staff

5657
03:38:58,737 --> 03:39:01,137
recommendation is where we

5658
03:39:01,306 --> 03:39:02,941
should go, and then staff can

5659
03:39:02,941 --> 03:39:04,209
take our comments and work with

5660
03:39:04,209 --> 03:39:07,412
the first choice, see if that

5661
03:39:07,412 --> 03:39:10,649
can be incorporated to a certain

5662
03:39:10,649 --> 03:39:12,951
extent. And I think both teams

5663
03:39:12,951 --> 03:39:14,720
must be shaking their head, why

5664
03:39:14,720 --> 03:39:15,887
are we doing business with the

5665
03:39:15,887 --> 03:39:18,757
county when you hearle all of

5666
03:39:18,757 --> 03:39:20,592
this stuff going on. So on the

5667
03:39:20,592 --> 03:39:22,694
rents, I think to give meaning

5668
03:39:22,694 --> 03:39:23,528
to, it we don't talk in terms of

5669
03:39:23,528 --> 03:39:25,290
percentages. We talk about

5670
03:39:25,290 --> 03:39:27,429
calculating the rents, what

5671
03:39:33,471 --> 03:39:36,341
would they actually be based on

5672
03:39:36,341 --> 03:39:37,975
the percentage of ami, and

5673
03:39:37,975 --> 03:39:40,975
compare it with market rents,

5674
03:39:45,750 --> 03:39:46,485
are we really getting the --

5675
03:39:46,485 --> 03:39:48,186
aaffordability out of this?

5676
03:39:48,186 --> 03:39:51,786
Looking at one of the project

5677
03:39:53,525 --> 03:39:55,860
mixes here, it says 50% ami, 18

5678
03:39:55,860 --> 03:39:57,763
units, one bedroom, 9 two

5679
03:39:57,763 --> 03:39:59,498
bedrooms, 9 three bedrooms,

5680
03:39:59,498 --> 03:40:01,933
well, let's see what that

5681
03:40:01,933 --> 03:40:04,333
actually translates into. We're

5682
03:40:04,736 --> 03:40:07,136
between skirt 50. And then

5683
03:40:08,106 --> 03:40:09,508
another category, 50 and 80 ami

5684
03:40:09,508 --> 03:40:12,744
and then a number of units under

5685
03:40:12,744 --> 03:40:15,214
each spot. What does that mean?

5686
03:40:15,214 --> 03:40:16,548
Where are the between 50 and 80?

5687
03:40:16,548 --> 03:40:18,484
Are they all at 79? And then

5688
03:40:18,484 --> 03:40:20,919
we've got a urge about of them

5689
03:40:20,919 --> 03:40:21,820
at 100% of ami, what does that

5690
03:40:21,820 --> 03:40:24,690
translate into? And half of

5691
03:40:24,690 --> 03:40:27,692
them are not affordable at all.

5692
03:40:27,692 --> 03:40:28,627
And I have to do that to make it

5693
03:40:28,627 --> 03:40:29,761
pencil. Have to pay for their

5694
03:40:29,761 --> 03:40:31,163
financing and have to pay for

5695
03:40:31,163 --> 03:40:32,564
their operationle auto expenses

5696
03:40:32,564 --> 03:40:34,767
and all of those things and

5697
03:40:34,767 --> 03:40:35,700
repairs, the whole bit. So I'd

5698
03:40:35,700 --> 03:40:38,136
like to see what does that

5699
03:40:38,136 --> 03:40:39,504
actually mean in terms of actual

5700
03:40:39,504 --> 03:40:42,241
dollars per unit when we're

5701
03:40:42,241 --> 03:40:43,275
talking about these different

5702
03:40:43,275 --> 03:40:45,675
percentages and compare them

5703
03:40:50,849 --> 03:40:53,849
with market rates.. Are we

5704
03:40:53,885 --> 03:40:54,787
really getting into

5705
03:40:54,787 --> 03:40:56,787
affordability? Because we're

5706
03:40:57,220 --> 03:40:57,723
talking -- using the term

5707
03:40:57,723 --> 03:40:59,723
"affordable" without even

5708
03:40:59,958 --> 03:41:01,560
knowing what it translates to.

5709
03:41:01,560 --> 03:41:02,460
I'd like to see what that

5710
03:41:02,460 --> 03:41:04,864
actually means. And I don't

5711
03:41:04,864 --> 03:41:06,198
want to see negotiating back and

5712
03:41:06,198 --> 03:41:08,598
forth between two parties.

5713
03:41:09,334 --> 03:41:11,570
That's hard. It's like

5714
03:41:11,570 --> 03:41:13,906
you're -- what did the other guy

5715
03:41:13,906 --> 03:41:17,506
say, well, I'll do that, too.

5716
03:41:19,845 --> 03:41:21,480
Kind of gets nutsy. So I think

5717
03:41:21,480 --> 03:41:22,114
if -- we should follow staff's

5718
03:41:22,114 --> 03:41:23,983
recommendation. We start with

5719
03:41:23,983 --> 03:41:25,717
one, keep us informed. Let's

5720
03:41:25,717 --> 03:41:29,317
see how far we can incorporate

5721
03:41:30,189 --> 03:41:31,692
some of the board concerns, and

5722
03:41:31,692 --> 03:41:33,926
if there's a problem, we might

5723
03:41:33,926 --> 03:41:36,128
ask to you switch to the other

5724
03:41:36,128 --> 03:41:37,960
developer. So I don't want

5725
03:41:37,960 --> 03:41:38,300
to -- a dual discussion going

5726
03:41:38,300 --> 03:41:41,300
on. I think that's impossible

5727
03:41:41,400 --> 03:41:43,168
for staff to do. It's too much.

5728
03:41:43,168 --> 03:41:45,304
So that's where I am. And I see

5729
03:41:45,304 --> 03:41:45,571
supervisor wagner, where are new

5730
03:41:45,571 --> 03:41:46,805
new.

5731
03:41:46,805 --> 03:41:48,574
>>don wagner: all right. So

5732
03:41:48,574 --> 03:41:52,774
real quick, I want to make sure

5733
03:41:52,811 --> 03:41:54,313
you understand, or at least you

5734
03:41:54,313 --> 03:41:55,948
know what I think you're now

5735
03:41:55,948 --> 03:41:59,548
being instructed to do, and that

5736
03:41:59,551 --> 03:42:02,421
is to go to tap and negotiate

5737
03:42:02,421 --> 03:42:04,856
over the ami to get it closer to

5738
03:42:04,856 --> 03:42:08,193
what cnc's got, to negotiate the

5739
03:42:08,193 --> 03:42:10,797
number of units, get more three

5740
03:42:10,797 --> 03:42:13,832
bedrooms like cnc's got, to go

5741
03:42:13,832 --> 03:42:17,432
talk about front loading it like

5742
03:42:17,503 --> 03:42:21,103
cnc is offering, to clarify the

5743
03:42:21,240 --> 03:42:23,676
demo, like cnc is offering, and

5744
03:42:23,676 --> 03:42:26,110
to re-evaluate that retail

5745
03:42:26,110 --> 03:42:26,879
because, as the two supervisors

5746
03:42:26,879 --> 03:42:28,881
who used to represent the

5747
03:42:28,881 --> 03:42:30,683
district have said -- and

5748
03:42:30,683 --> 03:42:32,683
supervisor who currently

5749
03:42:33,190 --> 03:42:34,653
represents it has said, renail

5750
03:42:34,653 --> 03:42:36,722
that area is challenging. So go

5751
03:42:36,722 --> 03:42:38,457
see if that really works or if

5752
03:42:38,457 --> 03:42:40,860
you have to back away from

5753
03:42:40,860 --> 03:42:43,860
retail like cnc. That's what

5754
03:42:44,397 --> 03:42:47,233
I'm hearing you being asked to

5755
03:42:47,233 --> 03:42:48,467
do. And I'm just wondering,

5756
03:42:48,467 --> 03:42:52,667
guys, why don't we just cut to

5757
03:42:52,905 --> 03:42:55,808
the chase and start with cnc?

5758
03:42:55,808 --> 03:42:57,343
I'm a no on this item -- I don't

5759
03:42:57,343 --> 03:42:58,878
even understand it, and it's

5760
03:42:58,878 --> 03:43:03,780
like, let's go get tap to give

5761
03:43:03,349 --> 03:43:04,951
us a project proposal like cnc.

5762
03:43:04,951 --> 03:43:08,287
That's silly. Cut to the chase.

5763
03:43:08,287 --> 03:43:10,389
I'm a no on this one.

5764
03:43:10,389 --> 03:43:12,124
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

5765
03:43:12,124 --> 03:43:13,693
One no vote. Supervisor nguyen,

5766
03:43:13,693 --> 03:43:15,127
do you have any comments you'd

5767
03:43:15,127 --> 03:43:17,127
like to make?

5768
03:43:18,898 --> 03:43:21,867
>>janet nguyen: yeah. I'm very

5769
03:43:21,867 --> 03:43:22,835
confused on the two bids. So

5770
03:43:22,835 --> 03:43:25,137
I'm not going to be supportive

5771
03:43:25,137 --> 03:43:27,339
of that either at this point.

5772
03:43:27,339 --> 03:43:30,209
The other part is, you know, if

5773
03:43:30,209 --> 03:43:32,145
we're talking about what kind of

5774
03:43:32,145 --> 03:43:34,790
points I have to add to what

5775
03:43:34,790 --> 03:43:35,681
supervisor wagner says, we also

5776
03:43:35,681 --> 03:43:36,349
talked about -- there's two of

5777
03:43:36,349 --> 03:43:39,180
us who talked about the head

5778
03:43:39,180 --> 03:43:42,180
start program, which cnc has.

5779
03:43:42,789 --> 03:43:45,558
So we're really telling tap to

5780
03:43:45,558 --> 03:43:48,940
just make their proposal similar

5781
03:43:48,940 --> 03:43:49,729
to cnc. So I'm not sure what

5782
03:43:49,729 --> 03:43:52,665
our benefits are. And, you

5783
03:43:52,665 --> 03:43:54,267
know, the revenue that is

5784
03:43:54,267 --> 03:43:57,267
projected right now or offered

5785
03:43:58,938 --> 03:44:00,274
to us, one base on more because

5786
03:44:00,274 --> 03:44:01,841
of the commercial. What happens

5787
03:44:01,841 --> 03:44:03,275
if the commercial doesn't get

5788
03:44:03,275 --> 03:44:05,812
rented snout do we still get

5789
03:44:05,812 --> 03:44:07,947
that guaranteed revenue or does

5790
03:44:07,947 --> 03:44:10,249
that decrease because there's

5791
03:44:10,249 --> 03:44:11,884
nobody -- there's no occupant

5792
03:44:11,884 --> 03:44:14,253
there? So that's where, you

5793
03:44:14,253 --> 03:44:15,522
know, I think we need to -- for

5794
03:44:15,522 --> 03:44:16,489
me, again, go back to the

5795
03:44:16,489 --> 03:44:17,958
revenue is important. The

5796
03:44:17,958 --> 03:44:20,894
number of years is important.

5797
03:44:20,894 --> 03:44:21,461
And a lot of these deal points

5798
03:44:21,461 --> 03:44:23,396
that we've talked about is

5799
03:44:23,396 --> 03:44:25,799
important. And so I just don't

5800
03:44:25,799 --> 03:44:27,967
think going in, you know, the

5801
03:44:27,967 --> 03:44:30,871
current motion I think is very

5802
03:44:30,871 --> 03:44:34,471
confusing for me, and I don't

5803
03:44:35,809 --> 03:44:36,809
think staff -- I don't think we

5804
03:44:36,809 --> 03:44:38,878
all understand exactly what it

5805
03:44:38,878 --> 03:44:41,614
is, so I'm not there to support

5806
03:44:41,614 --> 03:44:42,248
the current motion.

5807
03:44:42,248 --> 03:44:45,248
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm not

5808
03:44:46,353 --> 03:44:48,889
sure what the current motion is.

5809
03:44:48,889 --> 03:44:50,824
>>speaker: I believe at outset,

5810
03:44:50,824 --> 03:44:53,224
supervisor sarmiento, and robin,

5811
03:44:53,327 --> 03:44:55,828
you can correct me if I'm wrong,

5812
03:44:55,828 --> 03:44:56,863
moved to staff recommendation.

5813
03:44:56,863 --> 03:44:58,899
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: that

5814
03:44:58,899 --> 03:44:59,533
wasn't the motion.

5815
03:44:59,533 --> 03:45:00,000
>>clerk, robin stieler: that

5816
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:01,340
motion had no second.

5817
03:45:01,340 --> 03:45:02,535
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: the

5818
03:45:02,535 --> 03:45:05,372
motion was made by you. You

5819
03:45:05,372 --> 03:45:06,439
stated the motion, and then

5820
03:45:06,439 --> 03:45:08,708
supervisor sarmiento -- I said

5821
03:45:08,708 --> 03:45:11,512
could I established if he would

5822
03:45:11,512 --> 03:45:12,545
agree to that, and that's

5823
03:45:12,545 --> 03:45:14,470
what -- his motion. I'll

5824
03:45:14,470 --> 03:45:15,480
withdraw my second if we don't

5825
03:45:15,480 --> 03:45:17,480
have the vote.

5826
03:45:17,216 --> 03:45:18,170
>>chair, doug chaffee: why don't

5827
03:45:18,170 --> 03:45:19,386
we start fresh. Supervisor

5828
03:45:19,386 --> 03:45:21,200
sarmiento, if you'd like to make

5829
03:45:21,200 --> 03:45:22,589
a motion, state it and we'll see

5830
03:45:22,589 --> 03:45:24,570
if you can get a second.

5831
03:45:24,570 --> 03:45:25,492
>>vincente sarmiento: sure.

5832
03:45:25,492 --> 03:45:28,270
Sounds like there's two votes

5833
03:45:28,270 --> 03:45:29,129
for cnc for negotiations to go

5834
03:45:29,129 --> 03:45:32,729
forward about them. I am going

5835
03:45:33,666 --> 03:45:37,104
to change my motion and direct

5836
03:45:37,104 --> 03:45:37,971
staff to move forward with cnc

5837
03:45:37,971 --> 03:45:39,339
waterford. Have discussions

5838
03:45:39,339 --> 03:45:42,175
with them. One of the things

5839
03:45:42,175 --> 03:45:45,175
I'm very disappointed about with

5840
03:45:47,714 --> 03:45:51,314
cnc waterford is that when you

5841
03:45:52,418 --> 03:45:54,721
presented ranges of ami, you

5842
03:45:54,721 --> 03:45:56,923
said 30 to 50%. When I asked

5843
03:45:56,923 --> 03:45:58,525
where we are at chair's point,

5844
03:45:58,525 --> 03:46:00,930
you said they're at 50. So

5845
03:46:00,930 --> 03:46:01,662
don't bring us ranges. Bring us

5846
03:46:01,662 --> 03:46:03,730
a number. And then you said it

5847
03:46:03,730 --> 03:46:06,633
was at 50. I thought, why did

5848
03:46:06,633 --> 03:46:07,734
you start at 30? That was a

5849
03:46:07,734 --> 03:46:09,469
disingenuous way to start, and

5850
03:46:09,469 --> 03:46:11,869
that's what really disappointed

5851
03:46:13,700 --> 03:46:15,242
me. So when you say 50 to 80, I

5852
03:46:15,242 --> 03:46:16,943
said, which is it, where does it

5853
03:46:16,943 --> 03:46:19,943
fall? You said 80. Well, then

5854
03:46:21,482 --> 03:46:23,917
why did you give me a 50 to 80%

5855
03:46:23,917 --> 03:46:25,853
range? So that is not, you

5856
03:46:25,853 --> 03:46:27,688
know, a genuine way to start

5857
03:46:27,688 --> 03:46:29,880
discussions. I hope that that

5858
03:46:29,880 --> 03:46:32,880
changes. You're gonna be given

5859
03:46:32,920 --> 03:46:32,926
an opportunity do that. Just

5860
03:46:32,926 --> 03:46:34,829
simply -- this is a mess. This

5861
03:46:34,829 --> 03:46:36,130
is a very unfortunate discussion

5862
03:46:36,130 --> 03:46:39,990
that we're having up here. But

5863
03:46:39,990 --> 03:46:42,136
I want to be able to get these

5864
03:46:42,136 --> 03:46:43,203
discussions started, moving

5865
03:46:43,203 --> 03:46:46,803
forward, and if you can't meet

5866
03:46:48,876 --> 03:46:49,710
some of the challenges that our

5867
03:46:49,710 --> 03:46:50,711
team, who are going to be

5868
03:46:50,711 --> 03:46:52,813
negotiating on behalf of the

5869
03:46:52,813 --> 03:46:54,548
county -- if you can't address

5870
03:46:54,548 --> 03:46:55,816
them, please recite them early

5871
03:46:55,816 --> 03:46:57,451
so we can go ahead and move on

5872
03:46:57,451 --> 03:46:58,586
to the second runner-up. So

5873
03:46:58,586 --> 03:47:01,922
that will be my motion, to

5874
03:47:01,922 --> 03:47:04,358
change this and just to move

5875
03:47:04,358 --> 03:47:04,558
forward with the cnc waterford

5876
03:47:04,558 --> 03:47:06,590
team.

5877
03:47:06,590 --> 03:47:07,995
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

5878
03:47:07,995 --> 03:47:09,196
second that.

5879
03:47:09,196 --> 03:47:10,598
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going

5880
03:47:10,598 --> 03:47:13,434
to oppose that motion because I

5881
03:47:13,434 --> 03:47:15,770
think it is an affront to the

5882
03:47:15,770 --> 03:47:17,538
rfp process that we went through

5883
03:47:17,538 --> 03:47:20,274
and it went through the scoring

5884
03:47:20,274 --> 03:47:21,509
and I think -- I like the

5885
03:47:21,509 --> 03:47:24,278
commercial. I think that will

5886
03:47:24,278 --> 03:47:26,814
be very viable where it's at.

5887
03:47:26,814 --> 03:47:28,716
But that's a high risk. If

5888
03:47:28,716 --> 03:47:31,716
anything, I think it mitigates

5889
03:47:32,787 --> 03:47:35,890
other risks. And I think the

5890
03:47:35,890 --> 03:47:37,191
rfp process -- you gave it your

5891
03:47:37,191 --> 03:47:41,391
shot and you based it than. And

5892
03:47:45,199 --> 03:47:46,533
now we keep changing the rules.

5893
03:47:46,533 --> 03:47:50,638
I don't like that. If we want

5894
03:47:50,638 --> 03:47:52,106
to start over with a new rfp and

5895
03:47:52,106 --> 03:47:53,508
the criteria we can do that. I

5896
03:47:53,508 --> 03:47:55,777
won't be here by the time I

5897
03:47:55,777 --> 03:47:58,146
think that revolves around. But

5898
03:47:58,146 --> 03:47:59,780
I like staff recommendation. I

5899
03:47:59,780 --> 03:48:01,820
don't like a dual negotiation

5900
03:48:01,820 --> 03:48:03,217
going on. It's very hard on

5901
03:48:03,217 --> 03:48:07,154
staff to do that. And I think

5902
03:48:07,154 --> 03:48:10,191
it's confusing as to that. And

5903
03:48:10,191 --> 03:48:11,250
it occur -- it encourages

5904
03:48:11,250 --> 03:48:12,794
lobbying to continue. I don't

5905
03:48:12,794 --> 03:48:16,394
like that either. So I'm going

5906
03:48:21,202 --> 03:48:21,501
to oppose that motion.

5907
03:48:21,501 --> 03:48:22,136
Vice-chair.

5908
03:48:22,136 --> 03:48:25,390
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

5909
03:48:25,390 --> 03:48:27,410
you. So, look, I have a very

5910
03:48:27,410 --> 03:48:28,676
different view on the dual

5911
03:48:28,676 --> 03:48:32,276
negotiation. I think we get the

5912
03:48:33,915 --> 03:48:35,250
best deal for the county by

5913
03:48:35,250 --> 03:48:37,650
negotiating -- negotiating the

5914
03:48:37,819 --> 03:48:40,188
best deal. And I don't know why

5915
03:48:40,188 --> 03:48:42,557
when we have two proposals that

5916
03:48:42,557 --> 03:48:44,959
are pretty close, why we

5917
03:48:44,959 --> 03:48:47,959
wouldn't do that. Look, there's

5918
03:48:51,698 --> 03:48:53,434
is things that I like about the

5919
03:48:53,434 --> 03:48:54,736
true america proposal. I think

5920
03:48:54,736 --> 03:48:55,736
the commercial will be fine

5921
03:48:55,736 --> 03:48:56,871
because you have residential

5922
03:48:56,871 --> 03:48:58,573
that's all right there and

5923
03:48:58,573 --> 03:49:01,573
they're going to use those

5924
03:49:05,647 --> 03:49:07,882
retail stores. I don't feel

5925
03:49:07,882 --> 03:49:09,383
comfortable today with the

5926
03:49:09,383 --> 03:49:11,719
projections because there's so

5927
03:49:11,719 --> 03:49:14,656
many things that have been said

5928
03:49:14,656 --> 03:49:17,656
here today that are different

5929
03:49:17,659 --> 03:49:21,859
than what maybe I thought a week

5930
03:49:32,440 --> 03:49:33,941
ago. And that relates to the

5931
03:49:33,941 --> 03:49:35,376
rent projections and the

5932
03:49:35,376 --> 03:49:37,712
demolition projections. I like

5933
03:49:37,712 --> 03:49:40,248
the cnc project for different

5934
03:49:40,248 --> 03:49:42,150
reasons. I like the two, three

5935
03:49:42,150 --> 03:49:43,652
bedrooms. I don't like that we

5936
03:49:43,652 --> 03:49:44,219
don't make as much money. I

5937
03:49:44,219 --> 03:49:46,870
don't like that about that

5938
03:49:46,870 --> 03:49:47,122
project. I don't think that

5939
03:49:47,122 --> 03:49:48,857
that's good for the county. So

5940
03:49:48,857 --> 03:49:50,759
I don't -- you know, if you're a

5941
03:49:50,759 --> 03:49:53,610
land owner and you've got two

5942
03:49:53,610 --> 03:49:53,895
bidders to buy your property,

5943
03:49:53,895 --> 03:49:54,529
you're going to negotiate the

5944
03:49:54,529 --> 03:49:56,197
best deal that you can from the

5945
03:49:56,197 --> 03:49:59,197
two bidders. Why would you

5946
03:49:59,234 --> 03:50:00,669
negotiate with one, concluding

5947
03:50:00,669 --> 03:50:01,702
the other when you can play them

5948
03:50:01,702 --> 03:50:05,902
off of each other and get a

5949
03:50:08,410 --> 03:50:09,978
better deal for the county? I

5950
03:50:09,978 --> 03:50:12,179
don't know why you would change

5951
03:50:12,179 --> 03:50:15,179
your mowing. It doesn't make

5952
03:50:22,190 --> 03:50:23,592
sense to me. So I'm not

5953
03:50:23,592 --> 03:50:26,592
prepared to negotiate with only

5954
03:50:26,627 --> 03:50:27,195
one because we have some basic

5955
03:50:27,195 --> 03:50:28,964
foundational affects that we

5956
03:50:28,964 --> 03:50:29,798
don't have information about.

5957
03:50:29,798 --> 03:50:32,267
And, you know, maybe there's a

5958
03:50:32,267 --> 03:50:35,337
way that we can continue the

5959
03:50:35,337 --> 03:50:37,739
item to clarify some of these

5960
03:50:37,739 --> 03:50:37,938
foundational facts. I don't

5961
03:50:37,938 --> 03:50:38,573
know.

5962
03:50:38,573 --> 03:50:39,340
>>chair, doug chaffee: would you

5963
03:50:39,340 --> 03:50:42,110
like to make a motion to

5964
03:50:42,110 --> 03:50:45,710
continue this to the -- next

5965
03:50:46,480 --> 03:50:47,649
month or something like that?

5966
03:50:47,649 --> 03:50:50,485
To kind of cool this thing off a

5967
03:50:50,485 --> 03:50:50,986
little bit. I'm not sure, what

5968
03:50:50,986 --> 03:50:52,220
do we have as a motion.

5969
03:50:52,220 --> 03:50:54,620
>>vincente sarmiento: a motion

5970
03:50:55,891 --> 03:50:56,758
to move forward with cnc water.

5971
03:50:56,758 --> 03:50:58,427
>>chair, doug chaffee: was there

5972
03:50:58,427 --> 03:51:00,427
a second?

5973
03:51:01,330 --> 03:51:02,863
>>vincente sarmiento: yes,

5974
03:51:02,863 --> 03:51:03,431
supervisor nguyen.

5975
03:51:03,431 --> 03:51:04,232
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

5976
03:51:04,232 --> 03:51:05,267
supervisor sarmiento, I have a

5977
03:51:05,267 --> 03:51:06,901
question, would you be willing

5978
03:51:06,901 --> 03:51:10,501
to make a condition of the

5979
03:51:12,240 --> 03:51:13,575
motion that you include the pla?

5980
03:51:13,575 --> 03:51:15,975
>>vincente sarmiento: well, I

5981
03:51:17,279 --> 03:51:18,380
think based upon what MR. Miller

5982
03:51:18,380 --> 03:51:21,116
heard, that was something that

5983
03:51:21,116 --> 03:51:24,716
was -- something I started with.

5984
03:51:26,788 --> 03:51:27,656
So the pla, having, you know,

5985
03:51:27,656 --> 03:51:29,625
discussions with the college,

5986
03:51:29,625 --> 03:51:31,226
with the neighborhood, all of

5987
03:51:31,226 --> 03:51:32,461
those things are implicit

5988
03:51:32,461 --> 03:51:33,795
reducing the ami. So I think

5989
03:51:33,795 --> 03:51:35,998
all of those are incorporated in

5990
03:51:35,998 --> 03:51:37,332
my direction to him as he speaks

5991
03:51:37,332 --> 03:51:38,990
with one or both teams.

5992
03:51:38,990 --> 03:51:39,535
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,

5993
03:51:39,535 --> 03:51:40,769
I think we just have to clarify

5994
03:51:40,769 --> 03:51:43,769
that because today they didn't

5995
03:51:48,710 --> 03:51:50,312
have that when they came here.

5996
03:51:50,312 --> 03:51:51,246
The pla is different than the

5997
03:51:51,246 --> 03:51:52,848
prevailing wage.

5998
03:51:52,848 --> 03:51:53,101
>>vincente sarmiento: sure.

5999
03:51:53,101 --> 03:51:55,101
yes.

6000
03:52:01,156 --> 03:52:02,570
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

6001
03:52:02,570 --> 03:52:04,293
>>chair, doug chaffee: the

6002
03:52:04,293 --> 03:52:05,194
motion is to flip the two; is

6003
03:52:05,194 --> 03:52:07,594
that what it is.

6004
03:52:08,300 --> 03:52:08,364
>>vincente sarmiento: correct,

6005
03:52:08,364 --> 03:52:10,165
MR. CHAIRMAN.

6006
03:52:10,165 --> 03:52:11,200
>>chair, doug chaffee: and are

6007
03:52:11,200 --> 03:52:14,800
we through discussing or do we

6008
03:52:15,503 --> 03:52:19,703
want to spend another hour or so

6009
03:52:20,876 --> 03:52:21,210
so? I ask the clerk to call the

6010
03:52:21,210 --> 03:52:22,944
roll..

6011
03:52:22,944 --> 03:52:23,579
>>clerk, robin stieler:

6012
03:52:23,579 --> 03:52:25,140
supervisor sarmiento.

6013
03:52:25,140 --> 03:52:26,548
>>vincente sarmiento: yes.

6014
03:52:26,548 --> 03:52:27,382
>>clerk, robin stieler:

6015
03:52:27,382 --> 03:52:28,751
supervisor nguyen.

6016
03:52:28,751 --> 03:52:29,251
>>janet nguyen: yes.

6017
03:52:29,251 --> 03:52:31,251
>>clerk, robin stieler:

6018
03:52:31,987 --> 03:52:32,187
supervisor wagner vice-chair

6019
03:52:32,187 --> 03:52:32,820
foley.

6020
03:52:32,820 --> 03:52:34,123
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: you

6021
03:52:34,123 --> 03:52:36,523
can clarify what your

6022
03:52:36,759 --> 03:52:38,759
expectation is, supervisor

6023
03:52:39,460 --> 03:52:40,528
sarmiento? What's the timeline?

6024
03:52:40,528 --> 03:52:41,897
What's your expectation?

6025
03:52:41,897 --> 03:52:42,731
>>vincente sarmiento: we're

6026
03:52:42,731 --> 03:52:45,131
simply giving direction to

6027
03:52:45,668 --> 03:52:46,535
MR. Miller and his team to

6028
03:52:46,535 --> 03:52:48,535
negotiate this development

6029
03:52:48,971 --> 03:52:51,840
project with cnc waterford based

6030
03:52:51,840 --> 03:52:53,476
upon what he heard as direction

6031
03:52:53,476 --> 03:52:56,379
and for him to come back to us,

6032
03:52:56,379 --> 03:52:58,580
as he would have under staff

6033
03:52:58,580 --> 03:52:59,981
recommendation to speak with

6034
03:52:59,981 --> 03:53:02,518
tap. So it's simply to start

6035
03:53:02,518 --> 03:53:03,252
discussions with cnc waterford.

6036
03:53:03,252 --> 03:53:04,754
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: so it

6037
03:53:04,754 --> 03:53:06,489
would incorporate the things

6038
03:53:06,489 --> 03:53:06,672
that we all said we'd like to

6039
03:53:06,672 --> 03:53:07,790
see.

6040
03:53:07,790 --> 03:53:08,590
>>vincente sarmiento: yes.

6041
03:53:08,590 --> 03:53:09,624
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

6042
03:53:09,624 --> 03:53:11,600
support the motion.

6043
03:53:11,600 --> 03:53:13,620
>>clerk, robin stieler: and

6044
03:53:13,620 --> 03:53:14,663
chair chaffee.

6045
03:53:14,663 --> 03:53:16,599
>>chair, doug chaffee: no.

6046
03:53:16,599 --> 03:53:18,500
Motion carries 4 to 1. At this

6047
03:53:18,500 --> 03:53:19,501
hour, do we want to finish our

6048
03:53:19,501 --> 03:53:20,970
business agenda and come back or

6049
03:53:20,970 --> 03:53:24,730
do you want to go to closed

6050
03:53:24,730 --> 03:53:25,607
sessions now? Closed sessions.

6051
03:53:25,607 --> 03:53:28,410
All right, MADAM Clerk, would

6052
03:53:28,410 --> 03:53:30,810
you read the closed-session

6053
03:53:46,162 --> 03:53:46,762
items?

6054
03:53:46,762 --> 03:53:47,396
>>clerk, robin stieler: cs-1.

6055
03:53:47,396 --> 03:53:48,130
Under county executive office,

6056
03:53:48,130 --> 03:53:48,998
conference with labor negotiator

6057
03:53:48,998 --> 03:53:49,765
-pursuant to government code

6058
03:53:49,765 --> 03:53:50,566
section 54957.6

6059
03:53:50,566 --> 03:53:51,434
agency negotiator: jamie newton,

6060
03:53:51,434 --> 03:53:52,168
chief human resources officer

6061
03:53:52,168 --> 03:53:53,200
employee organizations:

6062
03:53:53,200 --> 03:53:53,769
association of orange county

6063
03:53:53,769 --> 03:53:54,502
deputy sheriffs (Aocds), orange

6064
03:53:54,502 --> 03:53:55,271
county employees association

6065
03:53:55,271 --> 03:53:56,380
(Ocea), orange county attorneys

6066
03:53:56,380 --> 03:53:56,806
association (Ocaa) International

6067
03:53:56,806 --> 03:53:57,573
union of operating engineers

6068
03:53:57,573 --> 03:53:58,740
(Iuoe), association of county

6069
03:53:58,740 --> 03:53:59,475
law enforcement managers

6070
03:53:59,475 --> 03:54:00,209
(Aclem), american federation of

6071
03:54:00,209 --> 03:54:01,430
state, county and municipal

6072
03:54:01,430 --> 03:54:01,844
employees (Afscme) Orange county

6073
03:54:01,844 --> 03:54:02,645
managers association (Ocma),

6074
03:54:02,645 --> 03:54:03,412
teamsters, and workers

6075
03:54:03,412 --> 03:54:04,814
represented by united domestic

6076
03:54:04,814 --> 03:54:05,810
workers of america (Udwa) And

6077
03:54:05,810 --> 03:54:06,820
other non-

6078
03:54:06,820 --> 03:54:06,782
represented employees

6079
03:54:06,782 --> 03:54:08,284
re: terms and conditions of

6080
03:54:08,284 --> 03:54:09,919
employment.

6081
03:54:09,919 --> 03:54:11,254
Cs-2. Public employee

6082
03:54:11,254 --> 03:54:12,521
appointment-pursuant to

6083
03:54:12,521 --> 03:54:14,521
government code section

6084
03:54:16,859 --> 03:54:18,859
54957(B):

6085
03:54:18,928 --> 03:54:19,562
title: county executive officer

6086
03:54:19,562 --> 03:54:20,329
scs3. County counsel-

6087
03:54:20,329 --> 03:54:22,729
conference with legal counsel-

6088
03:54:22,932 --> 03:54:23,733
existing litigation-pursuant

6089
03:54:23,733 --> 03:54:25,535
to government code section

6090
03:54:25,535 --> 03:54:27,535
54956.9(D)(1):

6091
03:54:27,603 --> 03:54:30,300
name of case: mohammed

6092
03:54:30,705 --> 03:54:31,274
abuershaid v. County of orange,

6093
03:54:31,274 --> 03:54:31,841
orange county superior court

6094
03:54:31,841 --> 03:54:32,608
case no.

6095
03:54:32,608 --> 03:54:33,376
30-2022-01241335-cu-oe-cjc

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03:54:33,376 --> 03:54:34,243
scs4. County counsel-

6097
03:54:34,243 --> 03:54:35,144
conference with legal counsel-

6098
03:54:35,144 --> 03:54:35,912
existing litigation-pursuant

6099
03:54:35,912 --> 03:54:37,180
to government code section

6100
03:54:37,180 --> 03:54:38,414
54956.9(D)(1):

6101
03:54:38,414 --> 03:54:39,181
name of case: jose adan

6102
03:54:39,181 --> 03:54:39,982
hernandez cisneros, et al. V.

6103
03:54:39,982 --> 03:54:40,982
County of orange, et al., orange

6104
03:54:40,982 --> 03:54:41,751
county

6105
03:54:41,751 --> 03:54:44,151
superior court case no.

6106
03:54:46,155 --> 03:54:48,155
30-2024-01416672-cu-pa-cjc

6107
03:54:48,491 --> 03:54:49,240
we have no requests to speak on

6108
03:54:49,240 --> 03:54:49,892
the closed-session items.

6109
03:54:49,892 --> 03:54:52,892
>>chair, doug chaffee: we are

6110
03:55:01,571 --> 03:55:03,971
adjourned to closed sessions.

6111
03:57:27,719 --> 03:57:30,119
Supervisors has recessed to

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03:57:30,589 --> 03:57:32,589
closed

6113
03:57:34,191 --> 03:57:37,191
closed sessions but will begin

6114
03:57:55,948 --> 03:57:57,948
momentarily.. Test test.

6115
03:58:02,220 --> 03:58:04,220
Captioning standing by...

6116
03:58:06,558 --> 03:58:09,495
The county of orange board of

6117
03:58:09,495 --> 03:58:11,895
supervisors meeting will begin

6118
03:58:50,236 --> 03:58:52,236
shortly.

6119
03:58:57,576 --> 03:58:59,576
[No audio]

6120
03:59:19,198 --> 03:59:20,399
>>chair, doug chaffee: we're

6121
03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:21,232
back from our closed sessions,

6122
03:59:21,232 --> 03:59:24,103
and so we're coming back to

6123
03:59:24,103 --> 03:59:25,771
finish our meeting. Counsel, do

6124
03:59:25,771 --> 03:59:26,672
you have anything to anything to

6125
03:59:26,672 --> 03:59:27,940
report from our close session.

6126
03:59:27,940 --> 03:59:29,508
>>leon page: thank you,

6127
03:59:29,508 --> 03:59:31,908
MR. CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to

6128
03:59:31,910 --> 03:59:33,312
government code section

6129
03:59:33,312 --> 03:59:35,312
government code section 54956.9

6130
03:59:35,648 --> 03:59:36,582
b and c and d, the board met in

6131
03:59:36,582 --> 03:59:38,751
closed sessions to discuss the

6132
03:59:38,751 --> 03:59:41,151
items referenced on today's

6133
03:59:41,787 --> 03:59:44,187
agenda, scs1, 2, 3, and 4. With

6134
03:59:45,240 --> 03:59:47,960
respect to cs3 in the matter of

6135
03:59:47,960 --> 03:59:50,360
mohammed, the board unanimously

6136
03:59:50,896 --> 03:59:52,398
rejected the plaintiff's demand

6137
03:59:52,398 --> 03:59:53,499
and confirmed the county's prior

6138
03:59:53,499 --> 03:59:56,499
settlement offer. In this case

6139
03:59:57,536 --> 03:59:59,538
the plaintiff claims that he was

6140
03:59:59,538 --> 04:00:01,400
defamed by the former and now

6141
04:00:01,400 --> 04:00:03,400
deceased senior assistant

6142
04:00:04,109 --> 04:00:06,509
district attorney kerry lagal

6143
04:00:08,614 --> 04:00:11,517
bo. With respect to scs4, the

6144
04:00:11,517 --> 04:00:13,917
board unanimously approved the

6145
04:00:14,860 --> 04:00:15,621
plaintiff's last -- when the

6146
04:00:15,621 --> 04:00:16,455
settlement is finalized, copies

6147
04:00:16,455 --> 04:00:17,657
of the agreement will be made

6148
04:00:17,657 --> 04:00:18,691
available through the office of

6149
04:00:18,691 --> 04:00:20,893
ceo risk management. The board

6150
04:00:20,893 --> 04:00:23,290
took no other reportable action

6151
04:00:23,290 --> 04:00:23,222
in closed sessions today. Thank

6152
04:00:23,222 --> 04:00:24,563
you.

6153
04:00:24,563 --> 04:00:26,963
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

6154
04:00:27,567 --> 04:00:28,734
you, counsel. MADAM Clerk, next

6155
04:00:28,734 --> 04:00:30,734
item was 37?

6156
04:00:32,572 --> 04:00:33,206
>>clerk, robin stieler:

6157
04:00:33,206 --> 04:00:34,373
>>clerk, robin stieler: 37.

6158
04:00:34,373 --> 04:00:35,700
Under county executive office,

6159
04:00:35,700 --> 04:00:35,641
approve recommended positions on

6160
04:00:35,641 --> 04:00:36,274
introduced or amended

6161
04:00:36,274 --> 04:00:36,809
legislation and/or consider

6162
04:00:36,809 --> 04:00:38,809
other legislative subject

6163
04:00:39,311 --> 04:00:40,880
matters.

6164
04:00:40,880 --> 04:00:42,215
We have no requests to speak on

6165
04:00:42,215 --> 04:00:43,916
agenda item 37.

6166
04:00:43,916 --> 04:00:45,351
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

6167
04:00:45,351 --> 04:00:47,530
all-district item. The item is

6168
04:00:47,530 --> 04:00:47,720
approved with no objection. We

6169
04:00:47,720 --> 04:00:48,287
move on to item

6170
04:00:48,287 --> 04:00:48,472
>>clerk, robin stieler: 38.

6171
04:00:48,472 --> 04:00:49,389
38.

6172
04:00:49,389 --> 04:00:50,230
Under county executive office,

6173
04:00:50,230 --> 04:00:50,789
rescind existing record

6174
04:00:50,789 --> 04:00:51,557
retention schedules and approve

6175
04:00:51,557 --> 04:00:52,291
new or revised record retention

6176
04:00:52,291 --> 04:00:53,526
schedules for

6177
04:00:53,526 --> 04:00:55,526
auditor-controller, county

6178
04:00:55,694 --> 04:00:57,764
counsel, john wayne airport, oc

6179
04:00:57,764 --> 04:00:58,564
community resources,

6180
04:00:58,564 --> 04:00:59,298
sheriff-coroner and county

6181
04:00:59,298 --> 04:01:00,533
executive office as outlined in

6182
04:01:00,533 --> 04:01:02,702
the recommended actions; approve

6183
04:01:02,702 --> 04:01:04,702
revised county records

6184
04:01:04,737 --> 04:01:05,671
management policy and authorize

6185
04:01:05,671 --> 04:01:06,505
county executive office to make

6186
04:01:06,505 --> 04:01:07,390
changes under certain

6187
04:01:07,390 --> 04:01:09,390
conditions.

6188
04:01:13,146 --> 04:01:14,847
This item does rare 4/5ths vote

6189
04:01:14,847 --> 04:01:17,550
of the members present. We have

6190
04:01:17,550 --> 04:01:17,784
no requests to speak on agenda

6191
04:01:17,784 --> 04:01:18,585
item 38.

6192
04:01:18,585 --> 04:01:19,819
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

6193
04:01:19,819 --> 04:01:20,853
all-district item. Moved and

6194
04:01:20,853 --> 04:01:22,853
seconded. Any objection?

6195
04:01:24,190 --> 04:01:24,424
Seeing none, item is approved.

6196
04:01:24,424 --> 04:01:25,240
Item 39

6197
04:01:25,240 --> 04:01:25,180
>>clerk, robin stieler: 39.

6198
04:01:25,180 --> 04:01:25,791
.

6199
04:01:25,791 --> 04:01:26,626
Under county executive office,

6200
04:01:26,626 --> 04:01:27,493
acting as the orange county

6201
04:01:27,493 --> 04:01:29,229
flood control district-approve

6202
04:01:29,229 --> 04:01:29,896
river view golf course lease

6203
04:01:29,896 --> 04:01:32,365
with city of santa ana, 25-year

6204
04:01:32,365 --> 04:01:33,666
term; renewable for five

6205
04:01:33,666 --> 04:01:34,433
additional 5-year terms;

6206
04:01:34,433 --> 04:01:35,601
authorize chief real estate

6207
04:01:35,601 --> 04:01:36,469
officer or designee to make

6208
04:01:36,469 --> 04:01:37,136
changes under certain conditions

6209
04:01:37,136 --> 04:01:38,400
and execute lease and related

6210
04:01:38,400 --> 04:01:39,305
documents; adopt resolution

6211
04:01:39,305 --> 04:01:40,773
making required findings under

6212
04:01:40,773 --> 04:01:42,542
orange county flood control act

6213
04:01:42,542 --> 04:01:43,276
and surplus land act; and make

6214
04:01:43,276 --> 04:01:44,430
california environmental quality

6215
04:01:44,430 --> 04:01:45,378
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings

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04:01:45,378 --> 04:01:47,778
under ceqa guidelines section

6217
04:01:48,347 --> 04:01:50,347
15301.

6218
04:01:50,683 --> 04:01:52,520
And we have no requests to speak

6219
04:01:52,520 --> 04:01:52,819
on agenda item 39.

6220
04:01:52,819 --> 04:01:55,819
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

6221
04:01:55,822 --> 04:01:56,355
district 2 item. Moved and

6222
04:01:56,355 --> 04:01:58,355
seconded. Any objection?

6223
04:01:59,191 --> 04:02:00,993
Seeing none, item is approved.

6224
04:02:00,993 --> 04:02:01,561
Item 40, please.

6225
04:02:01,561 --> 04:02:02,862
>>clerk, robin stieler: 40.

6226
04:02:02,862 --> 04:02:03,396
Under county executive office,

6227
04:02:03,396 --> 04:02:05,396
approve 2026 county grants

6228
04:02:06,299 --> 04:02:07,600
policy manual, effective 5/1/26,

6229
04:02:07,600 --> 04:02:09,803
and authorize the county

6230
04:02:09,803 --> 04:02:10,770
executive officer or designee to

6231
04:02:10,770 --> 04:02:13,170
make changes under certain

6232
04:02:13,506 --> 04:02:15,342
conditions.

6233
04:02:15,342 --> 04:02:19,542
And we have one request to speak

6234
04:02:19,646 --> 04:02:20,713
on agenda item 40, and that is

6235
04:02:20,713 --> 04:02:21,548
jenora.

6236
04:02:21,548 --> 04:02:23,948
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

6237
04:02:41,101 --> 04:02:43,501
call the speaker. Donora.

6238
04:02:44,470 --> 04:02:45,105
>>speaker: good afternoon to

6239
04:02:45,105 --> 04:02:47,505
everyone, board of supervisors,

6240
04:02:48,708 --> 04:02:49,776
bear with me. I am super

6241
04:02:49,776 --> 04:02:52,946
stressed, and I want you guys to

6242
04:02:52,946 --> 04:02:54,848
hear me out. I will breaking

6243
04:02:54,848 --> 04:02:57,250
news out in miami for the whole

6244
04:02:57,250 --> 04:02:59,619
world to hear what went wrong in

6245
04:02:59,619 --> 04:03:02,190
orange county dealing with

6246
04:03:02,655 --> 04:03:05,158
federal government. I lost my

6247
04:03:05,158 --> 04:03:06,493
trust on all you guys.

6248
04:03:06,493 --> 04:03:08,829
>>don wagner: point of order.

6249
04:03:08,829 --> 04:03:09,730
This is the grants policy

6250
04:03:09,730 --> 04:03:11,331
manual.

6251
04:03:11,331 --> 04:03:14,331
>>speaker: that agenda no. 40, I

6252
04:03:14,968 --> 04:03:16,502
need to find out because --

6253
04:03:16,502 --> 04:03:18,805
>>don wagner: this is the grants

6254
04:03:18,805 --> 04:03:19,439
policy manual. Move the order

6255
04:03:19,439 --> 04:03:21,439
of the day.

6256
04:03:21,842 --> 04:03:24,277
>>speaker: I put in application

6257
04:03:24,277 --> 04:03:25,678
in huntington beach and urge you

6258
04:03:25,678 --> 04:03:26,279
guys to tell.

6259
04:03:26,279 --> 04:03:27,414
>>chair, doug chaffee: ma'am,

6260
04:03:27,414 --> 04:03:29,616
you're not addressing the

6261
04:03:29,616 --> 04:03:32,190
agenda. If you'd like to come

6262
04:03:32,190 --> 04:03:34,287
back -- if you'd like to come

6263
04:03:34,287 --> 04:03:35,822
back with the general public

6264
04:03:35,822 --> 04:03:36,456
comments.

6265
04:03:36,456 --> 04:03:38,910
>>speaker: no, there's something

6266
04:03:38,910 --> 04:03:39,559
about I need for you guys to

6267
04:03:39,559 --> 04:03:41,762
explain it because english is my

6268
04:03:41,762 --> 04:03:43,195
second language so I could

6269
04:03:43,195 --> 04:03:45,980
respond. But I want you guys to

6270
04:03:45,980 --> 04:03:46,399
bear the stress that I'm dealing

6271
04:03:46,399 --> 04:03:48,569
with in dealing with government,

6272
04:03:48,569 --> 04:03:49,369
forcing me to be homeless.

6273
04:03:49,369 --> 04:03:53,106
That's what I want guys to hear

6274
04:03:53,106 --> 04:03:55,442
me out, but I'm stressed out.

6275
04:03:55,442 --> 04:03:57,440
But item 40, that's the agenda I

6276
04:03:57,440 --> 04:03:58,645
want to speak. Somebody has to

6277
04:03:58,645 --> 04:04:01,882
say this is what it is, and then

6278
04:04:01,882 --> 04:04:03,917
I answer. Because you have to

6279
04:04:03,917 --> 04:04:05,519
let me know and then I explain.

6280
04:04:05,519 --> 04:04:07,954
I've been dealing with the board

6281
04:04:07,954 --> 04:04:08,155
since 2019. So agenda item

6282
04:04:08,155 --> 04:04:10,155
40 --

6283
04:04:10,290 --> 04:04:10,624
>>don wagner: move the item,

6284
04:04:10,624 --> 04:04:11,491
MR. CHAIRMAN.

6285
04:04:11,491 --> 04:04:12,626
>>chair, doug chaffee: ma'am,

6286
04:04:12,626 --> 04:04:14,628
this concerns grants and

6287
04:04:14,628 --> 04:04:16,597
applications, and your personal

6288
04:04:16,597 --> 04:04:17,197
circumstances don't really fit

6289
04:04:17,197 --> 04:04:17,998
fit in this.

6290
04:04:17,998 --> 04:04:20,200
>>speaker: right here, it says

6291
04:04:20,200 --> 04:04:23,200
the application and agenda a

6292
04:04:24,738 --> 04:04:24,938
grant is money, right? Grant is

6293
04:04:24,938 --> 04:04:25,639
money.

6294
04:04:25,639 --> 04:04:28,639
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: this

6295
04:04:29,510 --> 04:04:30,310
is our policy. It it's nothing

6296
04:04:30,310 --> 04:04:31,612
to do with money going to you.

6297
04:04:31,612 --> 04:04:33,113
>>chair, doug chaffee: ma'am, do

6298
04:04:33,113 --> 04:04:34,548
you have any comments on any of

6299
04:04:34,548 --> 04:04:36,316
the items?

6300
04:04:36,316 --> 04:04:39,386
>>speaker: yes. On the item is

6301
04:04:39,386 --> 04:04:40,988
government is taking care of my

6302
04:04:40,988 --> 04:04:42,389
insurance and housing. I work

6303
04:04:42,389 --> 04:04:43,123
40 years --

6304
04:04:43,123 --> 04:04:44,910
>>chair, doug chaffee: ma'am,

6305
04:04:44,910 --> 04:04:45,626
you're off the agenda. I'm

6306
04:04:45,626 --> 04:04:46,960
sorry. Please come back for

6307
04:04:46,960 --> 04:04:48,194
general public comments for what

6308
04:04:48,194 --> 04:04:49,930
you're saying.

6309
04:04:49,930 --> 04:04:50,697
>>speaker: okay. Thank you. I

6310
04:04:50,697 --> 04:04:52,499
just want to make sure that I

6311
04:04:52,499 --> 04:04:54,330
will breaking news in miami so

6312
04:04:54,330 --> 04:04:56,337
congress and washington should

6313
04:04:56,337 --> 04:04:59,340
hear me out, why should I be in

6314
04:04:59,340 --> 04:05:00,908
private house assistant.

6315
04:05:00,908 --> 04:05:02,209
>>chair, doug chaffee: I heard a

6316
04:05:02,209 --> 04:05:03,243
motion from --

6317
04:05:03,243 --> 04:05:03,410
>>speaker: I understand. Thank

6318
04:05:03,410 --> 04:05:04,745
you.

6319
04:05:04,745 --> 04:05:07,745
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there

6320
04:05:08,449 --> 04:05:11,449
a second? Approved. Let's go

6321
04:05:18,492 --> 04:05:19,126
on to item 41, please.

6322
04:05:19,126 --> 04:05:19,760
>>clerk, robin stieler: 41.

6323
04:05:19,760 --> 04:05:20,461
Under county executive office,

6324
04:05:20,461 --> 04:05:21,228
county executive office-

6325
04:05:21,228 --> 04:05:21,929
approve grant

6326
04:05:21,929 --> 04:05:22,663
applications/awards submitted

6327
04:05:22,663 --> 04:05:23,430
by john wayne airport,

6328
04:05:23,430 --> 04:05:24,231
sheriff-coroner, health care

6329
04:05:24,231 --> 04:05:24,999
agency and approve ratified

6330
04:05:24,999 --> 04:05:25,733
grant application/award

6331
04:05:25,733 --> 04:05:26,534
submitted by

6332
04:05:26,534 --> 04:05:27,268
sheriff-coroner in 4/14/26

6333
04:05:27,268 --> 04:05:28,100
report and other actions as

6334
04:05:28,100 --> 04:05:28,735
recommended; and adopt

6335
04:05:28,735 --> 04:05:29,435
resolution authorizing

6336
04:05:29,435 --> 04:05:30,237
sheriff-coroner or designee to

6337
04:05:30,237 --> 04:05:30,971
execute, submit application and

6338
04:05:30,971 --> 04:05:31,739
grant assurance to california

6339
04:05:31,739 --> 04:05:32,907
office of emergency services for

6340
04:05:32,907 --> 04:05:34,907
fy 2025 emergency management

6341
04:05:36,750 --> 04:05:37,678
performance grant ($664,164).

6342
04:05:37,678 --> 04:05:40,448
We have no requests to speak on

6343
04:05:40,448 --> 04:05:41,810
agenda item 41.

6344
04:05:41,810 --> 04:05:43,584
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

6345
04:05:43,584 --> 04:05:45,860
all-district item. Moved and

6346
04:05:45,860 --> 04:05:47,486
seconded. Any objection? The

6347
04:05:50,900 --> 04:05:53,900
item is approved. And let's

6348
04:05:59,330 --> 04:06:00,534
see...

6349
04:06:00,534 --> 04:06:02,934
What's our next item?

6350
04:06:03,303 --> 04:06:03,971
>>clerk, robin stieler: 42.

6351
04:06:03,971 --> 04:06:05,539
>>clerk, robin stieler: 42.

6352
04:06:05,539 --> 04:06:06,440
Under county executive office,

6353
04:06:06,440 --> 04:06:08,440
approve contract amendments

6354
04:06:09,176 --> 04:06:11,178
under orange county contract

6355
04:06:11,178 --> 04:06:13,800
cost reduction program; approve

6356
04:06:13,800 --> 04:06:14,849
amendment 3 to extend contract

6357
04:06:14,849 --> 04:06:15,983
amr0121 with public consulting

6358
04:06:15,983 --> 04:06:17,550
group llc for supplemental

6359
04:06:17,550 --> 04:06:18,286
security income, state

6360
04:06:18,286 --> 04:06:19,654
supplemental payments and social

6361
04:06:19,654 --> 04:06:21,654
security disability insurance

6362
04:06:21,856 --> 04:06:22,523
client advocacy services, 7/1/26

6363
04:06:22,523 --> 04:06:23,156
-6/30/27 ($297,000; cumulative

6364
04:06:23,156 --> 04:06:24,258
total $1,641,000); and authorize

6365
04:06:24,258 --> 04:06:24,959
county procurement officer or

6366
04:06:24,959 --> 04:06:27,359
deputized designee to execute

6367
04:06:27,528 --> 04:06:29,528
amendments.

6368
04:06:30,430 --> 04:06:30,798
We have no requests to speak on

6369
04:06:30,798 --> 04:06:31,431
agenda item 42.

6370
04:06:31,431 --> 04:06:32,990
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's wan

6371
04:06:32,990 --> 04:06:33,670
all-district item.

6372
04:06:33,670 --> 04:06:34,434
>>don wagner: move the item.

6373
04:06:34,434 --> 04:06:34,669
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6374
04:06:34,669 --> 04:06:35,269
second.

6375
04:06:35,269 --> 04:06:37,338
>>chair, doug chaffee: any

6376
04:06:37,338 --> 04:06:38,172
objection? Item is approved.

6377
04:06:38,172 --> 04:06:39,640
On to 43.

6378
04:06:39,640 --> 04:06:41,642
>>clerk, robin stieler: under

6379
04:06:41,642 --> 04:06:42,343
county executive

6380
04:06:42,343 --> 04:06:43,277
office, approve amendment 5 to

6381
04:06:43,277 --> 04:06:44,311
extend contract with alight

6382
04:06:44,311 --> 04:06:45,413
solutions llc for benefits

6383
04:06:45,413 --> 04:06:47,281
administration services, 7/1/27

6384
04:06:47,281 --> 04:06:48,449
-6/30/30 ($12,337,520;

6385
04:06:48,449 --> 04:06:49,217
cumulative total $34,658,601);

6386
04:06:49,217 --> 04:06:49,917
and authorize chief human

6387
04:06:49,917 --> 04:06:52,860
resources officer or designee to

6388
04:06:52,860 --> 04:06:53,688
execute amendment.

6389
04:06:53,688 --> 04:06:54,889
We have no requests to speak on

6390
04:06:54,889 --> 04:06:55,790
agenda item 43.

6391
04:06:55,790 --> 04:06:56,724
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

6392
04:06:56,724 --> 04:06:57,358
all-district item.

6393
04:06:57,358 --> 04:06:58,590
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

6394
04:06:58,590 --> 04:06:59,600
the item.

6395
04:06:59,600 --> 04:07:01,194
>>chair, doug chaffee: item is

6396
04:07:01,194 --> 04:07:04,194
approved. We go to our

6397
04:07:04,932 --> 04:07:05,832
supplements. Item -- supplement

6398
04:07:05,832 --> 04:07:07,135
43a.

6399
04:07:07,135 --> 04:07:10,135
>>clerk, robin stieler: 43a has

6400
04:07:11,172 --> 04:07:11,372
been continued to MAY 5th,

6401
04:07:11,372 --> 04:07:12,600
2026.

6402
04:07:12,600 --> 04:07:14,600
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6403
04:07:21,820 --> 04:07:21,683
supplement 43b, please.

6404
04:07:21,683 --> 04:07:22,383
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43b.

6405
04:07:22,383 --> 04:07:23,500
Under chair chaffee-establish

6406
04:07:23,500 --> 04:07:23,685
la 28-olympic preparedness ad

6407
04:07:23,685 --> 04:07:24,318
hoc committee, consisting of

6408
04:07:24,318 --> 04:07:26,654
vice chair foley and supervisor

6409
04:07:26,654 --> 04:07:27,955
sarmiento.

6410
04:07:27,955 --> 04:07:28,789
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6411
04:07:28,789 --> 04:07:29,424
supervisor nguyen.

6412
04:07:29,424 --> 04:07:31,992
>>janet nguyen: I appreciate you

6413
04:07:31,992 --> 04:07:33,961
bringing this forward. I think

6414
04:07:33,961 --> 04:07:35,195
the olympics provides a very

6415
04:07:35,195 --> 04:07:36,531
special opportunity for us to

6416
04:07:36,531 --> 04:07:38,600
bring economic development to

6417
04:07:38,600 --> 04:07:40,101
our community and activate

6418
04:07:40,101 --> 04:07:41,736
spaces around the county for our

6419
04:07:41,736 --> 04:07:43,237
residents. So what I'm asking

6420
04:07:43,237 --> 04:07:44,973
the committee to also look at is

6421
04:07:44,973 --> 04:07:47,174
we should be taking advantage of

6422
04:07:47,174 --> 04:07:49,574
the opportunity by co-hosting

6423
04:07:51,120 --> 04:07:52,120
designated olympic fun fan zones

6424
04:07:52,120 --> 04:07:54,480
through -- throughout the county

6425
04:07:54,480 --> 04:07:55,817
for all the districts. You

6426
04:07:55,817 --> 04:07:57,785
know, whether it's supporting

6427
04:07:57,785 --> 04:07:59,454
multicultural festivals,

6428
04:07:59,454 --> 04:08:00,922
partnering with youth sports

6429
04:08:00,922 --> 04:08:01,923
organizations to get our local

6430
04:08:01,923 --> 04:08:04,759
athletes involved, but to bring

6431
04:08:04,759 --> 04:08:05,827
out families. So I'm hoping and

6432
04:08:05,827 --> 04:08:07,995
asking the ad hoc committee to

6433
04:08:07,995 --> 04:08:08,229
look at that as you move

6434
04:08:08,229 --> 04:08:09,397
forward.

6435
04:08:09,397 --> 04:08:10,331
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: big

6436
04:08:10,331 --> 04:08:10,498
part of the plan. Yes. Thank

6437
04:08:10,498 --> 04:08:11,733
you.

6438
04:08:11,733 --> 04:08:14,733
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

6439
04:08:16,204 --> 04:08:17,905
for that suggestion. I know

6440
04:08:17,905 --> 04:08:19,607
this has been kind of a

6441
04:08:19,607 --> 04:08:22,644
difficult time to be find money

6442
04:08:22,644 --> 04:08:24,979
for the olympics. I know on

6443
04:08:24,979 --> 04:08:26,648
other boards such as our

6444
04:08:26,648 --> 04:08:28,820
transportation boards, they're

6445
04:08:28,820 --> 04:08:28,650
being asked to provide special

6446
04:08:28,650 --> 04:08:30,819
transportation but the money

6447
04:08:30,819 --> 04:08:32,953
hasn't come yet. So we're

6448
04:08:32,953 --> 04:08:34,689
reaching a point where it will

6449
04:08:34,689 --> 04:08:37,625
be difficult because there needs

6450
04:08:37,625 --> 04:08:38,792
to be prep time, and if the

6451
04:08:38,792 --> 04:08:40,280
money is off too late, it will

6452
04:08:40,280 --> 04:08:43,280
be hard to provide the

6453
04:08:43,365 --> 04:08:45,467
transportation. So with that,

6454
04:08:45,467 --> 04:08:46,301
it's an important assignment,

6455
04:08:46,301 --> 04:08:47,368
and we do have a couple of

6456
04:08:47,368 --> 04:08:50,237
venues in orange county. And so

6457
04:08:50,237 --> 04:08:51,573
with that, if there's no

6458
04:08:51,573 --> 04:08:53,573
objection, congratulations,

6459
04:08:54,509 --> 04:08:55,676
vice-chair and supervisor

6460
04:08:55,676 --> 04:08:57,846
sarmiento, and your willingness

6461
04:08:57,846 --> 04:09:00,749
to serve in this capacity.

6462
04:09:00,749 --> 04:09:01,650
Thank you.

6463
04:09:01,650 --> 04:09:02,617
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: no

6464
04:09:02,617 --> 04:09:03,985
motion required.

6465
04:09:03,985 --> 04:09:06,254
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

6466
04:09:06,254 --> 04:09:07,456
Got it. Supplement 43c.

6467
04:09:07,456 --> 04:09:08,523
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43c.

6468
04:09:08,523 --> 04:09:10,523
Under internal audit-approve

6469
04:09:10,591 --> 04:09:12,160
subordinate contract

6470
04:09:12,160 --> 04:09:12,894
ct-079-26010886 with macias gini

6471
04:09:12,894 --> 04:09:14,280
& o'connell, llp for ethics

6472
04:09:14,280 --> 04:09:15,196
program audit, 4/15/26-4/14/27

6473
04:09:15,196 --> 04:09:15,930
($71,000); and authorize county

6474
04:09:15,930 --> 04:09:16,630
procurement officer or

6475
04:09:16,630 --> 04:09:19,300
deputized designee to execute

6476
04:09:20,680 --> 04:09:22,680
contract.

6477
04:09:23,871 --> 04:09:24,710
We have no requests to speak on

6478
04:09:24,710 --> 04:09:26,710
s43c.

6479
04:09:26,207 --> 04:09:26,908
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6480
04:09:26,908 --> 04:09:27,843
it's all-district item.

6481
04:09:27,843 --> 04:09:28,610
>>vincente sarmiento: second

6482
04:09:28,610 --> 04:09:30,111
with comment.

6483
04:09:30,111 --> 04:09:30,679
>>chair, doug chaffee: go ahead.

6484
04:09:30,679 --> 04:09:32,280
>>vincente sarmiento: very

6485
04:09:32,280 --> 04:09:33,914
briefly, I want to make sure

6486
04:09:33,914 --> 04:09:35,116
that this audit includes a

6487
04:09:35,116 --> 04:09:36,117
review to potential

6488
04:09:36,117 --> 04:09:36,951
recommendations to bolster our

6489
04:09:36,951 --> 04:09:39,351
current campaign finance and

6490
04:09:40,589 --> 04:09:42,989
ethics ordinance. And with

6491
04:09:44,326 --> 04:09:44,726
that, maker of the motion will

6492
04:09:44,726 --> 04:09:45,927
incorporate that.

6493
04:09:45,927 --> 04:09:47,262
>>janet nguyen: I have questions

6494
04:09:47,262 --> 04:09:48,263
and comments, MR. CHAIRMAN.

6495
04:09:48,263 --> 04:09:49,196
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6496
04:09:49,196 --> 04:09:49,798
supervisor nguyen.

6497
04:09:49,798 --> 04:09:50,866
>>janet nguyen: thank you. I

6498
04:09:50,866 --> 04:09:52,267
support this item but have

6499
04:09:52,267 --> 04:09:53,802
concerns about the scope and

6500
04:09:53,802 --> 04:09:55,971
duplication that I think are

6501
04:09:55,971 --> 04:09:57,471
worth clarifying on the record

6502
04:09:57,471 --> 04:09:58,540
because I want to make sure we

6503
04:09:58,540 --> 04:10:02,140
are building on prior work and

6504
04:10:02,210 --> 04:10:04,545
not re-doing what we have done.

6505
04:10:04,545 --> 04:10:06,882
So, you know, it's important for

6506
04:10:06,882 --> 04:10:09,951
us to look at the terms that's

6507
04:10:09,951 --> 04:10:11,520
being used here, ethics program

6508
04:10:11,520 --> 04:10:14,389
is very broad and not clearly

6509
04:10:14,389 --> 04:10:15,257
defined. The scope works as the

6510
04:10:15,257 --> 04:10:17,657
contractor can evaluate any

6511
04:10:18,293 --> 04:10:19,794
activities. What does that

6512
04:10:19,794 --> 04:10:22,194
mean? Without clear boundaries,

6513
04:10:22,231 --> 04:10:24,232
this risk becomes a much broader

6514
04:10:24,232 --> 04:10:27,703
review. What's the scope? So I

6515
04:10:27,703 --> 04:10:29,805
just want to make sure that we

6516
04:10:29,805 --> 04:10:31,206
are focused and continue to

6517
04:10:31,206 --> 04:10:34,206
build on and improving what

6518
04:10:34,275 --> 04:10:35,143
we've done and not re-do

6519
04:10:35,143 --> 04:10:36,778
everything since the board has

6520
04:10:36,778 --> 04:10:37,450
already approved those items in

6521
04:10:37,450 --> 04:10:38,800
the past.

6522
04:10:38,800 --> 04:10:40,449
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

6523
04:10:40,449 --> 04:10:44,490
you. Vice-chair, do you have a

6524
04:10:44,987 --> 04:10:46,922
comment? Oh, okay. If there's

6525
04:10:46,922 --> 04:10:48,390
no -- I think we had a motion

6526
04:10:48,390 --> 04:10:50,325
and a second. If no objection,

6527
04:10:50,325 --> 04:10:51,427
the item is approved. MADAM

6528
04:10:51,427 --> 04:10:54,290
Clerk, please read the next

6529
04:10:54,290 --> 04:10:54,630
item.

6530
04:10:54,630 --> 04:10:55,264
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43d.

6531
04:10:55,264 --> 04:10:55,898
Under county executive office-

6532
04:10:55,898 --> 04:10:56,565
approve memorandum of

6533
04:10:56,565 --> 04:10:57,231
understanding (Mou) With city of

6534
04:10:57,231 --> 04:10:57,933
huntington beach for capital

6535
04:10:57,933 --> 04:10:58,600
improvement and services,

6536
04:10:58,600 --> 04:10:59,268
huntington beach navigation

6537
04:10:59,268 --> 04:11:00,102
center, 4/14/26-6/30/26

6538
04:11:00,102 --> 04:11:01,300
($500,000); and authorize county

6539
04:11:01,300 --> 04:11:03,572
executive officer or designee to

6540
04:11:03,572 --> 04:11:05,572
execute mou.

6541
04:11:06,842 --> 04:11:07,420
We have no requests to speak on

6542
04:11:07,420 --> 04:11:07,643
s43d.

6543
04:11:07,643 --> 04:11:08,911
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

6544
04:11:08,911 --> 04:11:10,346
district 1 item.

6545
04:11:10,346 --> 04:11:11,913
>>janet nguyen: I'll move it. I

6546
04:11:11,913 --> 04:11:12,781
just want to thank the office of

6547
04:11:12,781 --> 04:11:14,382
care coordination and the city

6548
04:11:14,382 --> 04:11:16,418
for this partnership and as we

6549
04:11:16,418 --> 04:11:17,190
move forward. This is a good

6550
04:11:17,190 --> 04:11:19,754
avenue for us to continue to

6551
04:11:19,754 --> 04:11:21,223
partner with our local cities.

6552
04:11:21,223 --> 04:11:22,891
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

6553
04:11:22,891 --> 04:11:25,940
second. If no objection, the

6554
04:11:25,940 --> 04:11:26,962
item is approved. Let's go on

6555
04:11:26,962 --> 04:11:27,563
to supplement 43e.

6556
04:11:27,563 --> 04:11:28,196
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43e.

6557
04:11:28,196 --> 04:11:28,830
Under sheriff-coroner-approve

6558
04:11:28,830 --> 04:11:29,565
contract ma-060-25011725 with

6559
04:11:29,565 --> 04:11:30,231
praeses, llc, for consultant

6560
04:11:30,231 --> 04:11:31,000
services for inmate

6561
04:11:31,000 --> 04:11:31,633
communication system services,

6562
04:11:31,633 --> 04:11:32,334
4/23/26-4/22/29 ($866,250);

6563
04:11:32,334 --> 04:11:32,968
renewable for seven additional

6564
04:11:32,968 --> 04:11:33,568
one-year terms; and authorize

6565
04:11:33,568 --> 04:11:34,203
county procurement officer or

6566
04:11:34,203 --> 04:11:36,603
deputized designee to execute

6567
04:11:37,339 --> 04:11:39,339
contract.

6568
04:11:40,475 --> 04:11:40,675
We have no requests to speak on

6569
04:11:40,675 --> 04:11:41,944
s43e.

6570
04:11:41,944 --> 04:11:44,944
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

6571
04:11:48,500 --> 04:11:50,351
district 2 and 3 item. With no

6572
04:11:50,351 --> 04:11:52,751
objection, motion carries. Item

6573
04:11:56,325 --> 04:12:00,525
is approved. Now we go on to

6574
04:12:03,399 --> 04:12:04,333
43f. Let's take f, g, h, I and

6575
04:12:04,333 --> 04:12:05,340
j all together please.

6576
04:12:05,340 --> 04:12:05,901
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43f.

6577
04:12:05,901 --> 04:12:06,769
Under chair chaffee-approve

6578
04:12:06,769 --> 04:12:07,570
allocation of $55,000 from

6579
04:12:07,570 --> 04:12:09,104
fourth district discretionary

6580
04:12:09,104 --> 04:12:10,390
funds to the friendly

6581
04:12:10,390 --> 04:12:10,907
center, inc.; make related

6582
04:12:10,907 --> 04:12:11,707
findings under government code

6583
04:12:11,707 --> 04:12:13,376
section 26227; authorize county

6584
04:12:13,376 --> 04:12:14,310
executive officer or designee to

6585
04:12:14,310 --> 04:12:15,760
negotiate and enter into

6586
04:12:15,760 --> 04:12:15,877
agreement as necessary; and

6587
04:12:15,877 --> 04:12:17,877
authorize auditor-controller

6588
04:12:18,347 --> 04:12:21,347
or designee to make related

6589
04:12:21,750 --> 04:12:22,585
payments.

6590
04:12:22,585 --> 04:12:23,452
Under chair chaffee-approve

6591
04:12:23,452 --> 04:12:25,187
allocation of $2,000 from fourth

6592
04:12:25,187 --> 04:12:25,988
district discretionary funds to

6593
04:12:25,988 --> 04:12:28,156
anaheim high school alumni

6594
04:12:28,156 --> 04:12:30,293
association, inc.; make related

6595
04:12:30,293 --> 04:12:31,894
findings under government code

6596
04:12:31,894 --> 04:12:33,894
section 26227; authorize county

6597
04:12:34,664 --> 04:12:35,965
executive officer or designee to

6598
04:12:35,965 --> 04:12:37,166
negotiate and enter into

6599
04:12:37,166 --> 04:12:38,340
agreement as necessary; and

6600
04:12:38,340 --> 04:12:39,135
authorize auditor-controller or

6601
04:12:39,135 --> 04:12:41,535
designee to make related

6602
04:12:44,940 --> 04:12:45,641
payments.

6603
04:12:45,641 --> 04:12:46,309
S43h. Under chair chaffee-

6604
04:12:46,309 --> 04:12:47,343
approve allocation of $100,000

6605
04:12:47,343 --> 04:12:48,100
from fourth district

6606
04:12:48,100 --> 04:12:48,778
discretionary funds to olive

6607
04:12:48,778 --> 04:12:50,279
community services, inc.; make

6608
04:12:50,279 --> 04:12:51,247
related findings under

6609
04:12:51,247 --> 04:12:52,582
government code section 26227;

6610
04:12:52,582 --> 04:12:53,449
authorize

6611
04:12:53,449 --> 04:12:54,249
county executive officer or

6612
04:12:54,249 --> 04:12:56,552
designee to negotiate and enter

6613
04:12:56,552 --> 04:12:57,420
into agreement as necessary; and

6614
04:12:57,420 --> 04:12:58,287
authorize auditor-controller or

6615
04:12:58,287 --> 04:13:00,687
designee to make related

6616
04:13:01,757 --> 04:13:03,325
payments.

6617
04:13:03,325 --> 04:13:04,560
S43I. Under chair chaffee-

6618
04:13:04,560 --> 04:13:06,560
approve allocation of $1,500

6619
04:13:06,929 --> 04:13:08,297
from fourth district

6620
04:13:08,297 --> 04:13:09,598
discretionary funds to dana

6621
04:13:09,598 --> 04:13:11,133
point women's club; make related

6622
04:13:11,133 --> 04:13:13,533
findings under government code

6623
04:13:13,669 --> 04:13:15,400
section 26227; authorize county

6624
04:13:15,400 --> 04:13:16,539
executive officer or designee to

6625
04:13:16,539 --> 04:13:18,641
negotiate and enter into

6626
04:13:18,641 --> 04:13:21,410
agreement as necessary; and

6627
04:13:21,144 --> 04:13:21,644
authorize auditor-controller or

6628
04:13:21,644 --> 04:13:24,440
designee to make related

6629
04:13:24,147 --> 04:13:25,140
payments.

6630
04:13:25,140 --> 04:13:26,515
S43j. Under chair chaffee-

6631
04:13:26,515 --> 04:13:27,817
approve allocation of $50,000

6632
04:13:27,817 --> 04:13:28,851
from fourth district

6633
04:13:28,851 --> 04:13:30,190
discretionary funds to community

6634
04:13:30,190 --> 04:13:31,540
health initiative of orange

6635
04:13:31,540 --> 04:13:32,221
county; make related findings

6636
04:13:32,221 --> 04:13:33,122
under government code section

6637
04:13:33,122 --> 04:13:35,122
26227;

6638
04:13:35,658 --> 04:13:37,658
authorize county executive

6639
04:13:38,270 --> 04:13:38,994
officer or designee to negotiate

6640
04:13:38,994 --> 04:13:40,730
and enter into agreement as

6641
04:13:40,730 --> 04:13:42,310
necessary; and authorize

6642
04:13:42,310 --> 04:13:44,310
auditor-controller or designee

6643
04:13:45,902 --> 04:13:48,302
to make related payments.

6644
04:13:48,338 --> 04:13:49,172
We have no requests to speak on

6645
04:13:49,172 --> 04:13:49,939
these items.

6646
04:13:49,939 --> 04:13:51,673
>>chair, doug chaffee: these are

6647
04:13:51,673 --> 04:13:53,276
all mine. I move for approval.

6648
04:13:53,276 --> 04:13:53,475
moved and seconded. Supervisor

6649
04:13:53,475 --> 04:13:54,143
foley.

6650
04:13:54,143 --> 04:13:56,646
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

6651
04:13:56,646 --> 04:13:57,747
you. I just wanted to make my

6652
04:13:57,747 --> 04:13:59,882
abstention for the record.

6653
04:13:59,882 --> 04:14:01,882
According to california

6654
04:14:02,285 --> 04:14:04,285
government code section 26227.5

6655
04:14:04,653 --> 04:14:05,988
which states within the 90 days

6656
04:14:05,988 --> 04:14:08,957
preceding an election a member

6657
04:14:08,957 --> 04:14:11,294
of the board who's on the ballot

6658
04:14:11,294 --> 04:14:13,694
as supervisor and district

6659
04:14:15,865 --> 04:14:18,468
candidate on the board has an

6660
04:14:18,468 --> 04:14:21,204
opponent on the ballot shall not

6661
04:14:21,204 --> 04:14:22,739
be taking any action related to

6662
04:14:22,739 --> 04:14:22,939
spending district discretionary

6663
04:14:22,939 --> 04:14:23,740
funds.

6664
04:14:23,740 --> 04:14:25,375
>>vincente sarmiento: and I will

6665
04:14:25,375 --> 04:14:26,875
be abstaining for the same

6666
04:14:26,875 --> 04:14:29,275
reasons stated by the

6667
04:14:29,712 --> 04:14:30,312
vice-chair. It does not mean

6668
04:14:30,312 --> 04:14:32,949
because I don't support your

6669
04:14:32,949 --> 04:14:33,182
items but it's because of

6670
04:14:33,182 --> 04:14:33,817
ab 2496.

6671
04:14:33,817 --> 04:14:36,118
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm not

6672
04:14:36,118 --> 04:14:38,788
running for anything. So I'm

6673
04:14:38,788 --> 04:14:41,224
going to vote for it. I think

6674
04:14:41,224 --> 04:14:43,660
it passes with 3 votes and 2

6675
04:14:43,660 --> 04:14:44,560
abstentions. Thank you. Let's

6676
04:14:44,560 --> 04:14:45,261
do supplement 43k.

6677
04:14:45,261 --> 04:14:46,496
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43k.

6678
04:14:46,496 --> 04:14:48,970
Under oc public works-approve

6679
04:14:48,970 --> 04:14:49,932
orange county traffic committee

6680
04:14:49,932 --> 04:14:51,768
report dated 3/12/26, item a and

6681
04:14:51,768 --> 04:14:53,903
direct oc sheriff-coroner to

6682
04:14:53,903 --> 04:14:55,204
assign adult crossing guard at

6683
04:14:55,204 --> 04:14:56,639
intersection of meandering trail

6684
04:14:56,639 --> 04:14:57,941
and grassy knoll lane, las

6685
04:14:57,941 --> 04:14:59,941
flores; adopt resolution

6686
04:15:00,543 --> 04:15:02,943
approving item b establishing 25

6687
04:15:03,880 --> 04:15:05,649
miles per hour speed limit on

6688
04:15:05,649 --> 04:15:07,950
saddle way between ranch canyon

6689
04:15:07,950 --> 04:15:10,950
and pablo way, rancho mission

6690
04:15:11,153 --> 04:15:12,289
viejo; approve item c and direct

6691
04:15:12,289 --> 04:15:14,290
oc sheriff-coroner to assign

6692
04:15:14,290 --> 04:15:16,590
adult crossing guard at

6693
04:15:16,590 --> 04:15:18,228
intersection of foster road and

6694
04:15:18,228 --> 04:15:19,729
silverwood drive rossmoor; adopt

6695
04:15:19,729 --> 04:15:21,729
resolution approving revised

6696
04:15:21,898 --> 04:15:23,400
orange county traffic committee

6697
04:15:23,400 --> 04:15:25,680
bylaws to replace oc development

6698
04:15:25,680 --> 04:15:27,700
services representative with a

6699
04:15:27,700 --> 04:15:28,637
resident representative from

6700
04:15:28,637 --> 04:15:29,539
first supervisorial district;

6701
04:15:29,539 --> 04:15:30,540
and make california

6702
04:15:30,540 --> 04:15:31,808
environmental quality act (Ceqa)

6703
04:15:31,808 --> 04:15:34,208
Exemption findings under ceqa

6704
04:15:35,612 --> 04:15:37,612
guidelines section 15301.

6705
04:15:38,148 --> 04:15:38,849
And we have no does speak on

6706
04:15:38,849 --> 04:15:40,849
s43k.

6707
04:15:42,520 --> 04:15:42,518
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is

6708
04:15:42,518 --> 04:15:44,287
an all-district item.

6709
04:15:44,287 --> 04:15:45,154
>>janet nguyen: I'll move it

6710
04:15:45,154 --> 04:15:46,223
with comment.

6711
04:15:46,223 --> 04:15:47,457
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

6712
04:15:47,457 --> 04:15:48,910
second with comment.

6713
04:15:48,910 --> 04:15:48,391
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6714
04:15:48,391 --> 04:15:49,590
vice-chair.

6715
04:15:49,590 --> 04:15:51,261
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

6716
04:15:51,261 --> 04:15:52,562
you. I really appreciate the

6717
04:15:52,562 --> 04:15:54,898
las flores community who asked

6718
04:15:54,898 --> 04:15:57,934
our office about a solution in

6719
04:15:57,934 --> 04:16:00,334
2025, the safety of students

6720
04:16:01,905 --> 04:16:02,672
traveling from las flores

6721
04:16:02,672 --> 04:16:03,707
elementary and middle school,

6722
04:16:03,707 --> 04:16:04,574
and I appreciate the orange

6723
04:16:04,574 --> 04:16:05,942
county sheriff's department and

6724
04:16:05,942 --> 04:16:07,100
working with our traffic

6725
04:16:07,100 --> 04:16:09,379
committee as well as the ceo's

6726
04:16:09,379 --> 04:16:11,281
office to find a solution. Last

6727
04:16:11,281 --> 04:16:13,681
month the traffic committee

6728
04:16:14,116 --> 04:16:15,850
unanimously approved the adult

6729
04:16:15,850 --> 04:16:17,353
crossing guard at intersection

6730
04:16:17,353 --> 04:16:19,489
of meandering trail and grassy

6731
04:16:19,489 --> 04:16:21,190
knoll lane. This crossing guard

6732
04:16:21,190 --> 04:16:22,492
is just a piece of all of the

6733
04:16:22,492 --> 04:16:24,892
different safety and road

6734
04:16:24,928 --> 04:16:26,330
improvements we've made in the

6735
04:16:26,330 --> 04:16:28,730
un-incorporated area. No turn

6736
04:16:29,299 --> 04:16:31,869
on red on antonio, and always

6737
04:16:31,869 --> 04:16:34,137
stop in painted crosswalks at

6738
04:16:34,137 --> 04:16:35,772
saddle way and ivy way near

6739
04:16:35,772 --> 04:16:38,141
boulder pond, park and "no

6740
04:16:38,141 --> 04:16:40,310
parking" signs on ribera and

6741
04:16:40,310 --> 04:16:43,910
allowing bikers to use the bike

6742
04:16:44,748 --> 04:16:46,250
lanes and then a speed limit on

6743
04:16:46,250 --> 04:16:48,485
senso reduced from 30 to 25 as

6744
04:16:48,485 --> 04:16:49,686
well as a reduction on saddle

6745
04:16:49,686 --> 04:16:51,688
way in rancho mission viejo. So

6746
04:16:51,688 --> 04:16:53,257
thank you to our team for

6747
04:16:53,257 --> 04:16:55,826
helping us find solutions for

6748
04:16:55,826 --> 04:16:57,794
our community concerns.

6749
04:16:57,794 --> 04:16:58,194
>>chair, doug chaffee:

6750
04:16:58,194 --> 04:16:59,195
supervisor nguyen.

6751
04:16:59,195 --> 04:17:00,330
>>janet nguyen: thank you,

6752
04:17:00,330 --> 04:17:01,798
MR. CHAIRMAN. I also wanted to

6753
04:17:01,798 --> 04:17:03,267
thank oc public works for

6754
04:17:03,267 --> 04:17:05,369
working with our residents over

6755
04:17:05,369 --> 04:17:07,170
in rossmoor and adding a

6756
04:17:07,170 --> 04:17:09,570
crossing guard at intersection

6757
04:17:11,541 --> 04:17:13,343
of foster road and silver wood

6758
04:17:13,343 --> 04:17:14,778
drive which is nearby the lee

6759
04:17:14,778 --> 04:17:16,413
elementary school. We

6760
04:17:16,413 --> 04:17:17,614
appreciate that. The community

6761
04:17:17,614 --> 04:17:20,150
came together, asked us, and

6762
04:17:20,150 --> 04:17:22,453
staff has accommodated and

6763
04:17:22,453 --> 04:17:23,854
worked with the rossmore

6764
04:17:23,854 --> 04:17:25,288
residents. I also do want to

6765
04:17:25,288 --> 04:17:28,625
say thank you, too, because we

6766
04:17:28,625 --> 04:17:30,227
are adding a member from the

6767
04:17:30,227 --> 04:17:31,610
first district into the orange

6768
04:17:31,610 --> 04:17:33,163
county traffic committee. It's

6769
04:17:33,163 --> 04:17:35,666
very helpful for us because we

6770
04:17:35,666 --> 04:17:37,834
haven't been able to voice our

6771
04:17:37,834 --> 04:17:39,370
concerns or comments at these

6772
04:17:39,370 --> 04:17:41,770
committee via a representative.

6773
04:17:42,473 --> 04:17:45,709
So we appreciate oc public works

6774
04:17:45,709 --> 04:17:47,544
staff adding a position in for

6775
04:17:47,544 --> 04:17:47,877
the first district. Thank you,

6776
04:17:47,877 --> 04:17:48,545
MR. CHAIRMAN.

6777
04:17:48,545 --> 04:17:49,880
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

6778
04:17:49,880 --> 04:17:51,482
you. It has been moved and

6779
04:17:51,482 --> 04:17:54,482
seconded. If no objection, the

6780
04:17:55,718 --> 04:17:59,318
item is approved. And then we

6781
04:18:00,691 --> 04:18:00,925
come to the supplement m, I

6782
04:18:00,925 --> 04:18:02,925
believe.

6783
04:18:03,393 --> 04:18:04,128
>>clerk, robin stieler: l. 43l.

6784
04:18:04,128 --> 04:18:04,962
Under county executive office-

6785
04:18:04,962 --> 04:18:05,863
approve investment division

6786
04:18:05,863 --> 04:18:06,830
reorganization from treasure-tax

6787
04:18:06,830 --> 04:18:08,432
collector (Ttc) To county

6788
04:18:08,432 --> 04:18:09,300
executive office (Ceo); direct

6789
04:18:09,300 --> 04:18:10,134
ceo and auditor-controller (A-c)

6790
04:18:10,134 --> 04:18:11,634
To facilitate necessary

6791
04:18:11,634 --> 04:18:12,670
position, encumbrance,

6792
04:18:12,670 --> 04:18:13,804
appropriations, revenue and net

6793
04:18:13,804 --> 04:18:15,105
county cost changes from ttc;

6794
04:18:15,105 --> 04:18:16,774
direct a-c to revise

6795
04:18:16,774 --> 04:18:17,608
appropriations and revenues

6796
04:18:17,608 --> 04:18:18,509
under government code sections

6797
04:18:18,509 --> 04:18:19,310
29125, 29130 and 25252;

6798
04:18:19,310 --> 04:18:21,710
direct ceo human resource

6799
04:18:29,553 --> 04:18:31,953
services to amend master

6800
04:18:32,389 --> 04:18:34,492
position control; and authorize

6801
04:18:34,492 --> 04:18:36,600
county procurement officer or

6802
04:18:36,600 --> 04:18:37,594
deputized designee to execute or

6803
04:18:37,594 --> 04:18:38,829
amend agreements, documents and

6804
04:18:38,829 --> 04:18:41,229
related changes to investment

6805
04:18:42,233 --> 04:18:44,233
division as necessary.

6806
04:18:45,369 --> 04:18:48,969
This item does require -- excuse

6807
04:18:49,239 --> 04:18:51,442
me, action 1 and 2 requires a

6808
04:18:51,442 --> 04:18:54,442
4/5 vote and we have received

6809
04:18:56,881 --> 04:18:58,316
one request to speak on s43l.

6810
04:18:58,316 --> 04:18:59,317
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

6811
04:18:59,317 --> 04:19:01,317
call the speaker.

6812
04:19:03,954 --> 04:19:06,190
>>clerk, robin stieler: sherry

6813
04:19:06,190 --> 04:19:08,190
freidanrick.

6814
04:19:09,930 --> 04:19:11,930
>>speaker: I'm sherry

6815
04:19:11,228 --> 04:19:11,829
freidanrich, the treasurer tax

6816
04:19:11,829 --> 04:19:13,531
collector and work for the

6817
04:19:13,531 --> 04:19:15,333
people of orange county. This

6818
04:19:15,333 --> 04:19:18,302
proposal is another step of the

6819
04:19:18,302 --> 04:19:19,904
board trying to strip me of the

6820
04:19:19,904 --> 04:19:22,904
dually elected treasurer of my

6821
04:19:23,473 --> 04:19:25,843
legally defined duties and my

6822
04:19:25,843 --> 04:19:27,411
ability to perform my fiduciary

6823
04:19:27,411 --> 04:19:28,312
duties. The board has without

6824
04:19:28,312 --> 04:19:30,314
transparency to the public

6825
04:19:30,314 --> 04:19:30,948
dismantled many protections and

6826
04:19:30,948 --> 04:19:32,750
oversight measures put in place

6827
04:19:32,750 --> 04:19:35,750
after the bankruptcy of orange

6828
04:19:35,786 --> 04:19:37,489
county in 1994 that lost 1.5

6829
04:19:37,489 --> 04:19:39,824
billion of the public funds when

6830
04:19:39,824 --> 04:19:41,826
interest rates rose. These

6831
04:19:41,826 --> 04:19:44,610
changes increased risks to the

6832
04:19:44,610 --> 04:19:45,229
public funds. Changes include

6833
04:19:45,229 --> 04:19:46,631
loosening restrictions in the

6834
04:19:46,631 --> 04:19:48,332
investment policy approved last

6835
04:19:48,332 --> 04:19:50,732
year that allowed for

6836
04:19:50,938 --> 04:19:52,670
longer-term investments. The

6837
04:19:52,670 --> 04:19:55,700
investment pollin creased the

6838
04:19:55,206 --> 04:19:56,707
duration allowed to double from

6839
04:19:56,707 --> 04:19:58,943
1.5 years to 3 years and

6840
04:19:58,943 --> 04:20:00,477
increase the medium-term notes

6841
04:20:00,477 --> 04:20:02,813
maturities from 3 to 5 years.

6842
04:20:02,813 --> 04:20:04,820
One example of increased risk to

6843
04:20:04,820 --> 04:20:05,816
public funds is the board has

6844
04:20:05,816 --> 04:20:08,216
purchased longer dated callable

6845
04:20:08,686 --> 04:20:10,421
securities of approximately 25%

6846
04:20:10,421 --> 04:20:12,900
of the pooled funds as of the

6847
04:20:12,900 --> 04:20:13,491
end of FEBRUARY of which the

6848
04:20:13,491 --> 04:20:15,590
majority of the pooled funds are

6849
04:20:15,590 --> 04:20:15,860
owned by the school and the

6850
04:20:15,860 --> 04:20:17,860
community college districts.

6851
04:20:18,129 --> 04:20:19,530
This type of security carries

6852
04:20:19,530 --> 04:20:21,930
significantly greater risk to

6853
04:20:22,199 --> 04:20:24,702
the public funds and the nature

6854
04:20:24,702 --> 04:20:26,436
of a callable feature creates

6855
04:20:26,436 --> 04:20:28,390
uncertainty in cash forecasting,

6856
04:20:28,390 --> 04:20:30,274
adding additional potential risk

6857
04:20:30,274 --> 04:20:31,208
to the portfolio. The board

6858
04:20:31,208 --> 04:20:32,844
purchased the securities at a

6859
04:20:32,844 --> 04:20:35,513
time when the market expected

6860
04:20:35,513 --> 04:20:36,548
interest rates to drop. Instead

6861
04:20:36,548 --> 04:20:38,490
over the last month, market

6862
04:20:38,490 --> 04:20:39,650
interest rates have risen, and

6863
04:20:39,650 --> 04:20:42,500
these riskier securities have

6864
04:20:42,387 --> 04:20:42,854
probably lost some value in this

6865
04:20:42,854 --> 04:20:44,854
higher rate interest

6866
04:20:45,230 --> 04:20:47,250
environment. This interest rate

6867
04:20:47,250 --> 04:20:48,959
environment continues to be

6868
04:20:48,959 --> 04:20:50,361
volatile and puts potential risk

6869
04:20:50,361 --> 04:20:51,896
on the pooled funds at a time

6870
04:20:51,896 --> 04:20:54,332
when the county and the school

6871
04:20:54,332 --> 04:20:55,834
districts MAY need significantly

6872
04:20:55,834 --> 04:20:58,670
more liquidity than normal over

6873
04:20:58,670 --> 04:21:01,720
the next year or two. Based on

6874
04:21:01,720 --> 04:21:02,407
the state's significant billion

6875
04:21:02,407 --> 04:21:04,642
dollar expected deficit and

6876
04:21:04,642 --> 04:21:06,642
settlements. Taking an

6877
04:21:07,450 --> 04:21:08,446
additional -- take on additional

6878
04:21:08,446 --> 04:21:10,114
interest rate risk by stretching

6879
04:21:10,114 --> 04:21:11,683
out duration with riskier

6880
04:21:11,683 --> 04:21:13,351
callables to earn higher yield

6881
04:21:13,351 --> 04:21:14,853
MAY not prove to a winning

6882
04:21:14,853 --> 04:21:17,550
strategy to protect public funds

6883
04:21:17,550 --> 04:21:19,457
and safely protect the people's

6884
04:21:19,457 --> 04:21:20,958
money. When investing the board

6885
04:21:20,958 --> 04:21:21,959
is a trustee and subject to the

6886
04:21:21,959 --> 04:21:24,359
prudent investor standard, state

6887
04:21:24,529 --> 04:21:26,264
law is clear that the board can

6888
04:21:26,264 --> 04:21:28,366
delegate to the treasurer as

6889
04:21:28,366 --> 04:21:31,966
defined via state law to invest

6890
04:21:32,203 --> 04:21:35,373
or reinvest the funds of the

6891
04:21:35,373 --> 04:21:37,174
county and the treasurer as the

6892
04:21:37,174 --> 04:21:39,174
fiduciary for discretionary

6893
04:21:39,244 --> 04:21:40,712
funds, the board still is

6894
04:21:40,712 --> 04:21:42,413
currently investing funds of

6895
04:21:42,413 --> 04:21:43,748
other separate local agencies in

6896
04:21:43,748 --> 04:21:44,717
the pooled funds and that

6897
04:21:44,717 --> 04:21:45,617
appears to be another violation

6898
04:21:45,617 --> 04:21:47,786
of law. In closing, the board

6899
04:21:47,786 --> 04:21:49,888
continues to regularly interfere

6900
04:21:49,888 --> 04:21:51,756
in my ability to carry out my

6901
04:21:51,756 --> 04:21:53,158
legal, statutory and fiduciary

6902
04:21:53,158 --> 04:21:55,426
duties. The board actions have

6903
04:21:55,426 --> 04:21:57,763
created a clear and present risk

6904
04:21:57,763 --> 04:21:59,998
to all treasure tax collector

6905
04:21:59,998 --> 04:22:00,565
operations. Thank you.

6906
04:22:00,565 --> 04:22:00,741
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

6907
04:22:00,741 --> 04:22:01,600
you.

6908
04:22:01,600 --> 04:22:02,500
>>clerk, robin stieler: no other

6909
04:22:02,500 --> 04:22:03,935
speakers, MR. Chair.

6910
04:22:03,935 --> 04:22:05,236
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is

6911
04:22:05,236 --> 04:22:06,271
an all-district item.

6912
04:22:06,271 --> 04:22:07,105
Supervisor wagner.

6913
04:22:07,105 --> 04:22:08,472
>>don wagner: thank you,

6914
04:22:08,472 --> 04:22:11,800
MR. CHAIRMAN. This is an item

6915
04:22:11,800 --> 04:22:13,677
to move staff from the treasurer

6916
04:22:13,677 --> 04:22:16,677
tax collector's office to the

6917
04:22:18,583 --> 04:22:19,985
ceo, as I understand it, to do

6918
04:22:19,985 --> 04:22:21,419
indeed -- indeed dot supervision

6919
04:22:21,419 --> 04:22:22,120
that has been done in the first

6920
04:22:22,120 --> 04:22:23,755
place. So all of the things

6921
04:22:23,755 --> 04:22:26,324
about what the county's gotten

6922
04:22:26,324 --> 04:22:28,392
into and market pressure,

6923
04:22:28,392 --> 04:22:30,594
et cetera that we just heard are

6924
04:22:30,594 --> 04:22:31,863
entirely irrelevant to this

6925
04:22:31,863 --> 04:22:33,865
particular item. I want to lay

6926
04:22:33,865 --> 04:22:36,668
that out there. I also want to

6927
04:22:36,668 --> 04:22:38,503
make sure that we're all clear

6928
04:22:38,503 --> 04:22:40,572
that our predecessors on this

6929
04:22:40,572 --> 04:22:42,841
board were challenged in the

6930
04:22:42,841 --> 04:22:45,841
bankruptcy when they failed to

6931
04:22:46,878 --> 04:22:48,513
exercise oversight over and

6932
04:22:48,513 --> 04:22:49,748
out-of-control treasurer tax

6933
04:22:49,748 --> 04:22:52,148
collector. This board in

6934
04:22:52,851 --> 04:22:53,884
contrast to that has in fact

6935
04:22:53,884 --> 04:22:56,540
exercised oversight when we

6936
04:22:56,540 --> 04:22:59,654
found issues coming out of that

6937
04:22:59,891 --> 04:23:02,126
office. And so the situation is

6938
04:23:02,126 --> 04:23:05,126
not just like the bankruptcy.

6939
04:23:05,163 --> 04:23:07,563
Indeed, the situation is 180

6940
04:23:08,400 --> 04:23:09,100
degrees different from the

6941
04:23:09,100 --> 04:23:11,136
situation of bankruptcy. What

6942
04:23:11,136 --> 04:23:13,370
we are doing is working to

6943
04:23:13,370 --> 04:23:15,437
exercise that oversight control

6944
04:23:15,974 --> 04:23:20,174
that, like it or not, state law

6945
04:23:21,460 --> 04:23:24,383
has vested in this board, and we

6946
04:23:24,383 --> 04:23:26,819
have the professionals in place

6947
04:23:26,819 --> 04:23:28,486
that are making these decisions.

6948
04:23:28,486 --> 04:23:29,988
they are being watched. And all

6949
04:23:29,988 --> 04:23:33,624
we're trying to do here, and it

6950
04:23:33,624 --> 04:23:34,492
should be applauded by ttc, if

6951
04:23:34,492 --> 04:23:36,694
she's really concerned about

6952
04:23:36,694 --> 04:23:37,696
oversight, we're trying to bring

6953
04:23:37,696 --> 04:23:39,998
some of those oversight staff,

6954
04:23:39,998 --> 04:23:41,433
some of that staff in-house

6955
04:23:41,433 --> 04:23:43,601
where they can do their job that

6956
04:23:43,601 --> 04:23:45,904
much better. So for that

6957
04:23:45,904 --> 04:23:47,305
reason, I not only reject the

6958
04:23:47,305 --> 04:23:50,305
entire nonsense we just heard

6959
04:23:50,408 --> 04:23:50,609
from the ttc, but do move the

6960
04:23:50,609 --> 04:23:51,176
item.

6961
04:23:51,176 --> 04:23:51,409
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

6962
04:23:51,409 --> 04:23:52,678
second.

6963
04:23:52,678 --> 04:23:53,745
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

6964
04:23:53,745 --> 04:23:54,545
second. Vice-chair, anything

6965
04:23:54,545 --> 04:23:55,814
you want to say.

6966
04:23:55,814 --> 04:23:57,249
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.

6967
04:23:57,249 --> 04:23:59,170
Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. And

6968
04:23:59,170 --> 04:24:00,284
unfortunately, the treasurer tax

6969
04:24:00,284 --> 04:24:03,284
collector left the room before

6970
04:24:06,124 --> 04:24:08,159
she could hear us respond after

6971
04:24:08,159 --> 04:24:08,960
basically stating false

6972
04:24:08,960 --> 04:24:11,360
statements about our decisions

6973
04:24:12,630 --> 04:24:13,999
up here. So I want to address

6974
04:24:13,999 --> 04:24:17,599
this. We have not voted to

6975
04:24:17,836 --> 04:24:19,772
loosen any restrictions on our

6976
04:24:19,772 --> 04:24:22,172
investment policy. Is that

6977
04:24:25,911 --> 04:24:28,311
correct, MS. Aguirre? Or

6978
04:24:28,646 --> 04:24:30,682
MS. Ingleby, whomever is the

6979
04:24:30,682 --> 04:24:33,682
right person to answer the

6980
04:24:37,956 --> 04:24:39,591
question.

6981
04:24:39,591 --> 04:24:40,793
>>speaker: good afternoon. Kim

6982
04:24:40,793 --> 04:24:43,193
ingleby, chief financial officer

6983
04:24:43,528 --> 04:24:44,196
for the county of orange. In

6984
04:24:44,196 --> 04:24:45,196
fact, we actually have an

6985
04:24:45,196 --> 04:24:47,165
investment policy that the board

6986
04:24:47,165 --> 04:24:48,701
has approved for the past two

6987
04:24:48,701 --> 04:24:50,802
years to actually strengthen

6988
04:24:50,802 --> 04:24:52,705
controls aligned with all of our

6989
04:24:52,705 --> 04:24:54,440
legislative requirements, and

6990
04:24:54,440 --> 04:24:56,241
the staff that are performing

6991
04:24:56,241 --> 04:24:58,677
the investment functions are the

6992
04:24:58,677 --> 04:24:59,544
same staff that have been

6993
04:24:59,544 --> 04:25:01,113
performing the investment

6994
04:25:01,113 --> 04:25:03,249
functions under the ttc, which

6995
04:25:03,249 --> 04:25:04,149
now we're just trying to way

6996
04:25:04,149 --> 04:25:05,450
line so that we have the

6997
04:25:05,450 --> 04:25:05,951
function and the authority in

6998
04:25:05,951 --> 04:25:07,951
the same department.

6999
04:25:08,120 --> 04:25:10,322
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

7000
04:25:10,322 --> 04:25:14,522
And then the issue of the longer

7001
04:25:15,494 --> 04:25:17,894
data collecting securities, you

7002
04:25:18,797 --> 04:25:20,699
can address -- you can respond

7003
04:25:20,699 --> 04:25:22,334
to that accusation?

7004
04:25:22,334 --> 04:25:25,334
>>speaker: yes. So long story

7005
04:25:25,871 --> 04:25:28,674
short, we had a special

7006
04:25:28,674 --> 04:25:30,943
investment that was for about

7007
04:25:30,943 --> 04:25:31,844
$500 million that came term and

7008
04:25:31,844 --> 04:25:33,245
we decided to leave it in the

7009
04:25:33,245 --> 04:25:35,781
county pool. So we had more

7010
04:25:35,781 --> 04:25:37,820
funds to invest. Over the past

7011
04:25:37,820 --> 04:25:39,418
we've only dealt with mutual

7012
04:25:39,418 --> 04:25:41,620
funds and treasuries. And so

7013
04:25:41,620 --> 04:25:44,200
now we have diversified

7014
04:25:44,656 --> 04:25:46,291
comparable to our surrounding

7015
04:25:46,291 --> 04:25:48,494
counties and with the consultant

7016
04:25:48,494 --> 04:25:49,528
of -- under the advisement of

7017
04:25:49,528 --> 04:25:52,528
consultants that we work with,

7018
04:25:52,832 --> 04:25:56,432
we did see that the interest

7019
04:25:57,903 --> 04:25:58,737
rates were favoring more of a

7020
04:25:58,737 --> 04:26:00,306
long-term -- which we had the

7021
04:26:00,306 --> 04:26:02,374
ability to do so with the

7022
04:26:02,374 --> 04:26:05,974
additional funds. And so we did

7023
04:26:09,948 --> 04:26:13,419
so. So now we have some midterm

7024
04:26:13,419 --> 04:26:14,586
notes. We have some -- more in

7025
04:26:14,586 --> 04:26:16,822
the mutual funds that we do

7026
04:26:16,822 --> 04:26:17,823
provide a monthly and a

7027
04:26:17,823 --> 04:26:19,458
quarterly investment report

7028
04:26:19,458 --> 04:26:22,458
where we are constantly looking

7029
04:26:24,196 --> 04:26:26,596
at liquidity, the cash

7030
04:26:28,467 --> 04:26:30,236
projections are yield, net

7031
04:26:30,236 --> 04:26:33,236
yield, our gross yield. And

7032
04:26:33,239 --> 04:26:34,774
it's being monitored also by the

7033
04:26:34,774 --> 04:26:36,742
new investment oversight

7034
04:26:36,742 --> 04:26:38,477
committee. So it's heavily

7035
04:26:38,477 --> 04:26:39,778
monitored, heavily watched, and

7036
04:26:39,778 --> 04:26:40,312
we also have more people now

7037
04:26:40,312 --> 04:26:41,280
involved in the process.

7038
04:26:41,280 --> 04:26:44,280
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

7039
04:26:45,351 --> 04:26:47,620
And do you have any concern that

7040
04:26:47,620 --> 04:26:50,489
the decisions are putting the

7041
04:26:50,489 --> 04:26:52,224
county at risk, greater than we

7042
04:26:52,224 --> 04:26:55,461
would have been a year ago?

7043
04:26:55,461 --> 04:26:57,663
>>speaker: no, I do not. I

7044
04:26:57,663 --> 04:27:00,399
value the consultants that we've

7045
04:27:00,399 --> 04:27:03,350
had. We're always looking at

7046
04:27:03,350 --> 04:27:05,350
various employment rates,

7047
04:27:05,271 --> 04:27:08,271
comparing ourselves to the other

7048
04:27:08,374 --> 04:27:10,643
counties. We are right in line

7049
04:27:10,643 --> 04:27:13,846
with where we should be, our

7050
04:27:13,846 --> 04:27:16,846
yield is actually higher than

7051
04:27:17,490 --> 04:27:18,518
the 90-day treasury note, which

7052
04:27:18,518 --> 04:27:22,210
is what we look at. So I'm

7053
04:27:22,210 --> 04:27:25,210
confident in the team. They

7054
04:27:26,292 --> 04:27:29,292
live investments. They are very

7055
04:27:29,796 --> 04:27:30,663
knowledgeable. And I'm very

7056
04:27:30,663 --> 04:27:30,996
proud of the investment team

7057
04:27:30,996 --> 04:27:32,640
that we have.

7058
04:27:32,640 --> 04:27:32,665
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

7059
04:27:32,665 --> 04:27:33,666
you.

7060
04:27:33,666 --> 04:27:35,468
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7061
04:27:35,468 --> 04:27:38,304
right. This item has been moved

7062
04:27:38,304 --> 04:27:40,704
and seconded. Any objection?

7063
04:27:41,340 --> 04:27:43,740
The item is unanimously

7064
04:27:43,976 --> 04:27:45,976
approved. You're abstaining?

7065
04:27:48,147 --> 04:27:49,849
Anybody else? Okay. We needed

7066
04:27:49,849 --> 04:27:51,350
4 votes, with very 4 votes with

7067
04:27:51,350 --> 04:27:53,750
1 abstention. The item is

7068
04:27:54,887 --> 04:27:55,880
approved. Thank you.

7069
04:27:55,880 --> 04:27:57,880
.

7070
04:27:58,992 --> 04:27:59,592
Now we come to supplement 43m.

7071
04:27:59,592 --> 04:28:00,260
>>clerk, robin stieler: s43m.

7072
04:28:00,260 --> 04:28:01,940
Under county executive office-

7073
04:28:01,940 --> 04:28:01,927
approve 2026 state budget

7074
04:28:01,927 --> 04:28:02,695
request priorities list; and

7075
04:28:02,695 --> 04:28:03,463
direct staff to work

7076
04:28:03,463 --> 04:28:04,497
with contract lobbyists and

7077
04:28:04,497 --> 04:28:05,498
statewide trade associations to

7078
04:28:05,498 --> 04:28:07,898
advocate for critical state

7079
04:28:09,350 --> 04:28:11,350
budget funding.

7080
04:28:13,706 --> 04:28:15,207
No requests to speak on s43m.

7081
04:28:15,207 --> 04:28:16,576
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is

7082
04:28:16,576 --> 04:28:17,209
an all-district item, I believe.

7083
04:28:17,209 --> 04:28:20,209
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: hov

7084
04:28:21,470 --> 04:28:21,881
the item.

7085
04:28:21,881 --> 04:28:22,882
>>chair, doug chaffee: without

7086
04:28:22,882 --> 04:28:25,882
objection, the item is approved.

7087
04:28:26,786 --> 04:28:30,986
Now we come to a public hearing,

7088
04:28:31,324 --> 04:28:31,992
which is item 44.

7089
04:28:31,992 --> 04:28:32,758
>>clerk, robin stieler: 44.

7090
04:28:32,758 --> 04:28:33,560
Under oc community resources,

7091
04:28:33,560 --> 04:28:34,661
acting as the orange county

7092
04:28:34,661 --> 04:28:35,595
housing authority-public

7093
04:28:35,595 --> 04:28:36,495
hearing to consider adopting

7094
04:28:36,495 --> 04:28:37,264
updated orange county housing

7095
04:28:37,264 --> 04:28:38,665
authority administrative plan

7096
04:28:38,665 --> 04:28:39,432
and adopting orange county

7097
04:28:39,432 --> 04:28:40,566
housing authority annual pha

7098
04:28:40,566 --> 04:28:41,601
plan, fy 2026-27; and authorize

7099
04:28:41,601 --> 04:28:42,369
executive director of orange

7100
04:28:42,369 --> 04:28:43,603
county housing authority or

7101
04:28:43,603 --> 04:28:44,371
designee to finalize and

7102
04:28:44,371 --> 04:28:47,841
transmit both plans to U.S.

7103
04:28:47,841 --> 04:28:50,841
Department of housing and urban

7104
04:28:53,346 --> 04:28:54,180
development.

7105
04:28:54,180 --> 04:28:55,715
>>chair, doug chaffee: well,

7106
04:28:55,715 --> 04:28:56,716
thank you. And I'm going to

7107
04:28:56,716 --> 04:28:58,752
open the public hearing. And do

7108
04:28:58,752 --> 04:28:59,719
we have any public speakers,

7109
04:28:59,719 --> 04:29:00,386
MADAM Clerk?

7110
04:29:00,386 --> 04:29:02,786
>>speaker: we received two

7111
04:29:06,590 --> 04:29:09,590
requests of paul hayek and

7112
04:29:12,699 --> 04:29:16,299
donora. I believe paul left the

7113
04:29:21,107 --> 04:29:23,507
room already. So donora.

7114
04:29:25,445 --> 04:29:27,347
>>speaker: hello, everybody.

7115
04:29:27,347 --> 04:29:28,681
I'my quality decent citizen. So

7116
04:29:28,681 --> 04:29:30,817
when I don't understand, I have

7117
04:29:30,817 --> 04:29:33,420
to ask. I'm super stressed

7118
04:29:33,420 --> 04:29:35,820
because you guys' government

7119
04:29:35,922 --> 04:29:37,891
have forced me to be homeless,

7120
04:29:37,891 --> 04:29:40,126
and I worked 40 years and pay

7121
04:29:40,126 --> 04:29:41,528
taxes. All I ask is the city of

7122
04:29:41,528 --> 04:29:44,528
huntington beach put in an

7123
04:29:47,660 --> 04:29:49,466
application to subsidize like

7124
04:29:50,804 --> 04:29:53,106
federal out of washington. They

7125
04:29:53,106 --> 04:29:54,808
subs died me for 40 years and

7126
04:29:54,808 --> 04:29:58,110
pay taxes and you guys forced me

7127
04:29:58,110 --> 04:30:00,147
to be homeless. Nothing should

7128
04:30:00,147 --> 04:30:03,116
have never happened, I never

7129
04:30:03,116 --> 04:30:04,684
drink, drug or smoke. My

7130
04:30:04,684 --> 04:30:06,486
family, they are angry and

7131
04:30:06,486 --> 04:30:07,821
they're passion my information

7132
04:30:07,821 --> 04:30:09,389
around the world because I'm an

7133
04:30:09,389 --> 04:30:11,789
original refugee brought by

7134
04:30:12,158 --> 04:30:13,693
federal. They wanted to restore

7135
04:30:13,693 --> 04:30:16,693
integrity and the whole country,

7136
04:30:17,832 --> 04:30:19,299
california, chicago, texas, and

7137
04:30:19,299 --> 04:30:20,700
new york because you guys are

7138
04:30:20,700 --> 04:30:22,903
supporting illegal aliens, and

7139
04:30:22,903 --> 04:30:25,405
I'm an immigrant. And I don't

7140
04:30:25,405 --> 04:30:27,541
see the sentence amiento talking

7141
04:30:27,541 --> 04:30:30,760
about the illegal immigrant from

7142
04:30:30,760 --> 04:30:31,578
cuba. And I was told to talk to

7143
04:30:31,578 --> 04:30:33,120
jen went and I have not been

7144
04:30:33,120 --> 04:30:35,615
able to make an appointment with

7145
04:30:35,615 --> 04:30:36,883
her. She represents huntington

7146
04:30:36,883 --> 04:30:38,351
beach, and his chief here have

7147
04:30:38,351 --> 04:30:40,153
not made me that appointment.

7148
04:30:40,153 --> 04:30:42,256
so I'm trying to figure out what

7149
04:30:42,256 --> 04:30:44,725
step I need to take because my

7150
04:30:44,725 --> 04:30:47,600
family in miami is very upset

7151
04:30:47,600 --> 04:30:48,528
and cuba, and they say you have

7152
04:30:48,528 --> 04:30:51,498
to let the whole world know now

7153
04:30:51,498 --> 04:30:53,167
that you speak english, thank

7154
04:30:53,167 --> 04:30:54,735
GOD for america, because you're

7155
04:30:54,735 --> 04:30:56,736
helping america be great in the

7156
04:30:56,736 --> 04:30:59,736
process. And the meantime, all

7157
04:30:59,873 --> 04:31:01,541
I ask, tell travis subsidized

7158
04:31:01,541 --> 04:31:03,743
the two bedroom by 40 years that

7159
04:31:03,743 --> 04:31:05,478
I work and pay taxes and I feel

7160
04:31:05,478 --> 04:31:08,215
safe, so I will not continue

7161
04:31:08,215 --> 04:31:10,717
being in my car. My only

7162
04:31:10,717 --> 04:31:12,190
granddaughter, they won a

7163
04:31:12,190 --> 04:31:14,256
four-year scholar youship, she's

7164
04:31:14,256 --> 04:31:14,822
crying in a different state,

7165
04:31:14,822 --> 04:31:17,391
saying grandma, why are you

7166
04:31:17,391 --> 04:31:19,590
blocking me from coming to see

7167
04:31:19,590 --> 04:31:20,527
you when I was in your bed? You

7168
04:31:20,527 --> 04:31:22,963
think it's right for me to say

7169
04:31:22,963 --> 04:31:24,464
come and see me in my car

7170
04:31:24,464 --> 04:31:27,464
because the board of supervisors

7171
04:31:28,202 --> 04:31:30,202
supporting illegal aliens?

7172
04:31:30,471 --> 04:31:32,906
She's coming in MAY. So

7173
04:31:32,906 --> 04:31:35,442
hopefully before she comes I can

7174
04:31:35,442 --> 04:31:37,444
say you can come and see me in

7175
04:31:37,444 --> 04:31:39,213
my place now. 40 years I work

7176
04:31:39,213 --> 04:31:40,681
and pay taxes in huntington

7177
04:31:40,681 --> 04:31:42,349
beach, and jenna went, shers one

7178
04:31:42,349 --> 04:31:44,684
of the members, but I've been

7179
04:31:44,684 --> 04:31:46,353
dealing with andrew do since

7180
04:31:46,353 --> 04:31:48,753
2019. He's in prison now.

7181
04:31:50,458 --> 04:31:51,459
That's all I ask. Thank you.

7182
04:31:51,459 --> 04:31:53,930
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7183
04:31:53,930 --> 04:31:54,194
you. Is there one more speaker.

7184
04:31:54,194 --> 04:31:55,429
>>clerk, robin stieler: no.

7185
04:31:55,429 --> 04:31:56,290
He's not present.

7186
04:31:56,290 --> 04:31:58,650
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7187
04:31:58,650 --> 04:31:58,665
right. I'm going to close the

7188
04:31:58,665 --> 04:32:00,000
public hearing and bring it

7189
04:32:00,000 --> 04:32:01,334
back. We are acting not

7190
04:32:01,334 --> 04:32:02,703
necessarily as the board of

7191
04:32:02,703 --> 04:32:04,538
supervisors but rather as the

7192
04:32:04,538 --> 04:32:06,206
board of commissioners for the

7193
04:32:06,206 --> 04:32:07,508
orange county housing authority,

7194
04:32:07,508 --> 04:32:08,842
and with that, this is an

7195
04:32:08,842 --> 04:32:11,242
all-district item. Are there

7196
04:32:12,179 --> 04:32:12,813
any comments that --

7197
04:32:12,813 --> 04:32:13,914
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

7198
04:32:13,914 --> 04:32:14,448
move the item with comment.

7199
04:32:14,448 --> 04:32:16,848
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7200
04:32:17,251 --> 04:32:18,252
right. Is there a second?

7201
04:32:18,252 --> 04:32:18,552
Second. Please go ahead,

7202
04:32:18,552 --> 04:32:19,720
vice-chair.

7203
04:32:19,720 --> 04:32:21,388
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

7204
04:32:21,388 --> 04:32:22,256
just wanted to let the community

7205
04:32:22,256 --> 04:32:24,656
know that part our

7206
04:32:24,825 --> 04:32:26,527
administrative plan changes are

7207
04:32:26,527 --> 04:32:27,962
to deny assistance of any

7208
04:32:27,962 --> 04:32:30,364
household member appears on a

7209
04:32:30,364 --> 04:32:31,231
saifnlingsder registry, and in

7210
04:32:31,231 --> 04:32:33,501
limited cases approve housing

7211
04:32:33,501 --> 04:32:35,135
funding agreements after

7212
04:32:35,135 --> 04:32:36,637
construction starts to support

7213
04:32:36,637 --> 04:32:38,138
affordable housing in

7214
04:32:38,138 --> 04:32:38,939
high-opportunity areas. Move

7215
04:32:38,939 --> 04:32:40,474
the item.

7216
04:32:40,474 --> 04:32:43,474
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's been

7217
04:32:43,511 --> 04:32:44,378
moved and seconded by supervisor

7218
04:32:44,378 --> 04:32:46,778
sarmiento. If there's no

7219
04:32:47,147 --> 04:32:49,917
objection, the item is approved.

7220
04:32:49,917 --> 04:32:53,287
And we go on to item 45, which

7221
04:32:53,287 --> 04:32:55,220
is another public hearing.

7222
04:32:55,220 --> 04:32:56,390
MADAM Clerk

7223
04:32:56,390 --> 04:32:56,990
>>clerk, robin stieler: 45.

7224
04:32:56,990 --> 04:32:57,558
Under oc public works, public

7225
04:32:57,558 --> 04:32:58,359
hearing to consider adopting

7226
04:32:58,359 --> 04:32:59,600
resolution authorizing oc

7227
04:32:59,600 --> 04:32:59,760
agricultural commissioner to

7228
04:32:59,760 --> 04:33:00,461
abate weeds and combustible

7229
04:33:00,461 --> 04:33:02,363
vegetation on private properties

7230
04:33:02,363 --> 04:33:03,563
in unincorporated areas; direct

7231
04:33:03,563 --> 04:33:04,699
oc agricultural commissioner to

7232
04:33:04,699 --> 04:33:05,566
provide fire hazard reduction

7233
04:33:05,566 --> 04:33:08,369
weed abatement cost report and

7234
04:33:08,369 --> 04:33:09,670
itemized report of costs

7235
04:33:09,670 --> 04:33:12,700
incurred prior and after 7/1/26.

7236
04:33:17,377 --> 04:33:18,245
Cs-1-cs-2)

7237
04:33:18,245 --> 04:33:19,580
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going

7238
04:33:19,580 --> 04:33:22,450
to open the public hearing.

7239
04:33:22,450 --> 04:33:22,716
MADAM Clerk, do we have any

7240
04:33:22,716 --> 04:33:23,318
speakers.

7241
04:33:23,318 --> 04:33:23,483
>>clerk, robin stieler: we do

7242
04:33:23,483 --> 04:33:24,785
not.

7243
04:33:24,785 --> 04:33:26,219
>>chair, doug chaffee: we don't

7244
04:33:26,219 --> 04:33:26,854
have. So I'm going to close the

7245
04:33:26,854 --> 04:33:28,489
public hearing and bring it back

7246
04:33:28,489 --> 04:33:30,391
to the board for consideration.

7247
04:33:30,391 --> 04:33:31,250
This is an all-district item.

7248
04:33:31,250 --> 04:33:31,725
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

7249
04:33:31,725 --> 04:33:32,427
the item.

7250
04:33:32,427 --> 04:33:34,161
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

7251
04:33:34,161 --> 04:33:34,995
seconded. Is there any

7252
04:33:34,995 --> 04:33:37,395
objection? Seeing none, the

7253
04:33:41,635 --> 04:33:43,871
item is approved. Now we come,

7254
04:33:43,871 --> 04:33:44,805
I guess -- are we at public

7255
04:33:44,805 --> 04:33:46,805
comments, MADAM Clerk.

7256
04:33:47,308 --> 04:33:48,176
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes.

7257
04:33:48,176 --> 04:33:48,676
>>chair, doug chaffee: please

7258
04:33:48,676 --> 04:33:49,243
call the speakers.

7259
04:33:49,243 --> 04:33:50,811
>>clerk, robin stieler: we

7260
04:33:50,811 --> 04:33:53,211
received 10 requests. I'll call

7261
04:33:53,247 --> 04:33:56,830
three names at a time. Steve

7262
04:33:56,830 --> 04:33:58,483
rocco, deborah and greg

7263
04:34:09,930 --> 04:34:11,666
arrowsmith.

7264
04:34:11,666 --> 04:34:13,400
>>speaker: I'd be a lot more

7265
04:34:13,400 --> 04:34:14,702
likely to believe in GOD you

7266
04:34:14,702 --> 04:34:16,938
trust if there was a cross

7267
04:34:16,938 --> 04:34:19,400
there. I don't think I ever

7268
04:34:19,400 --> 04:34:20,408
heard the word "jesus" come from

7269
04:34:20,408 --> 04:34:22,410
any of your mouths all the times

7270
04:34:22,410 --> 04:34:23,944
I've been here. But you did

7271
04:34:23,944 --> 04:34:26,460
spend a great deal of time at

7272
04:34:26,460 --> 04:34:27,649
the last session talking about

7273
04:34:27,649 --> 04:34:28,683
andy do and congratulating

7274
04:34:28,683 --> 04:34:31,485
yourselves and how you had him

7275
04:34:31,485 --> 04:34:32,286
arrested and all that. Well,

7276
04:34:32,286 --> 04:34:34,122
discretionary funds. You know,

7277
04:34:34,122 --> 04:34:36,240
I'm an exenglish teacher and I

7278
04:34:36,240 --> 04:34:36,957
know what discretionary means.

7279
04:34:36,957 --> 04:34:39,957
And there's wiggle room for

7280
04:34:41,290 --> 04:34:41,763
that. A matter interpretation,

7281
04:34:41,763 --> 04:34:45,363
he wanted to help his family,

7282
04:34:45,533 --> 04:34:47,201
and he wound up not doing that.

7283
04:34:47,201 --> 04:34:50,705
And his wife and two daughters

7284
04:34:50,705 --> 04:34:51,772
got away scot-free. Well, and

7285
04:34:51,772 --> 04:34:53,410
then you congratulate yourself

7286
04:34:53,410 --> 04:34:55,843
because our D.A. Is trying to

7287
04:34:55,843 --> 04:34:59,280
get some of the millions that he

7288
04:34:59,280 --> 04:35:01,649
stole back. Which brings me to

7289
04:35:01,649 --> 04:35:04,490
presentations. You know, you

7290
04:35:04,352 --> 04:35:04,920
like to set this month for that

7291
04:35:04,920 --> 04:35:06,187
and that month for something

7292
04:35:06,187 --> 04:35:08,289
else. You had your perfect

7293
04:35:08,289 --> 04:35:10,689
opportunity to have sexual

7294
04:35:11,425 --> 04:35:13,528
pervert month. We had cesar

7295
04:35:13,528 --> 04:35:14,829
chavez, who now is no longer

7296
04:35:14,829 --> 04:35:17,310
okay politically. You know you

7297
04:35:17,310 --> 04:35:19,166
can see his painting on broadway

7298
04:35:19,166 --> 04:35:20,234
and tenth street. It's as big

7299
04:35:20,234 --> 04:35:22,838
as a building. And then we have

7300
04:35:22,838 --> 04:35:24,473
a bill cosby thing who was in

7301
04:35:24,473 --> 04:35:26,674
the news again after three years

7302
04:35:26,674 --> 04:35:29,311
in prison. He gets to pay

7303
04:35:29,311 --> 04:35:32,470
millions more. And then we have

7304
04:35:32,470 --> 04:35:34,447
spitzer. Spitzer. Spitzer and

7305
04:35:35,383 --> 04:35:38,383
his exboss row caucus. You

7306
04:35:38,386 --> 04:35:40,522
know, you guys covered up the

7307
04:35:40,522 --> 04:35:43,522
crimes that he committed against

7308
04:35:43,791 --> 04:35:45,794
me, entered my house over half a

7309
04:35:45,794 --> 04:35:48,262
dozen times without a search

7310
04:35:48,262 --> 04:35:50,662
warrant. Used their neighbors

7311
04:35:51,532 --> 04:35:52,867
for a recall. You brought me to

7312
04:35:52,867 --> 04:35:54,669
court, actually sitting right

7313
04:35:54,669 --> 04:35:56,605
there, leon page, brought me to

7314
04:35:56,605 --> 04:35:59,841
court so that the public would

7315
04:35:59,841 --> 04:36:01,910
never hear about it. That was

7316
04:36:01,910 --> 04:36:02,977
measure s in orange. And you

7317
04:36:02,977 --> 04:36:04,479
call yourselves -- you don't

7318
04:36:04,479 --> 04:36:07,479
know what you call yourselves,

7319
04:36:08,349 --> 04:36:11,860
but it's not good. Well, all

7320
04:36:11,860 --> 04:36:13,588
that, the man's a pervert. You

7321
04:36:13,588 --> 04:36:15,588
know, you congratulated

7322
04:36:15,724 --> 04:36:16,824
yourselves about MR. Andy do.

7323
04:36:16,824 --> 04:36:18,960
What are you going to do about

7324
04:36:18,960 --> 04:36:21,960
spitzer? He likes to fool

7325
04:36:21,960 --> 04:36:22,764
around with women, you know,

7326
04:36:22,764 --> 04:36:23,832
pinch them and say terrible

7327
04:36:23,832 --> 04:36:26,701
things and demean them and all

7328
04:36:26,701 --> 04:36:28,770
that. Not just him, but the

7329
04:36:28,770 --> 04:36:30,272
entire D.A.'s office does, that

7330
04:36:30,272 --> 04:36:32,707
the male ones. And they caught

7331
04:36:32,707 --> 04:36:34,342
them. They've got all kinds of

7332
04:36:34,342 --> 04:36:37,342
evidence on them. They owe

7333
04:36:37,479 --> 04:36:40,382
money, which you paid for.

7334
04:36:40,382 --> 04:36:40,983
Well, not you. Actually it's

7335
04:36:40,983 --> 04:36:42,784
me. It's the taxpayers. You

7336
04:36:42,784 --> 04:36:44,452
have already paid it. And why

7337
04:36:44,452 --> 04:36:46,822
isn't spitzer paying for this?

7338
04:36:46,822 --> 04:36:48,189
Why isn't he in jail? Why

7339
04:36:48,189 --> 04:36:49,692
haven't you seen the fbi about

7340
04:36:49,692 --> 04:36:51,826
him? Why is he walking around

7341
04:36:51,826 --> 04:36:53,428
free? He's already proven that

7342
04:36:53,428 --> 04:36:56,398
he hates americans. He pulled a

7343
04:36:56,398 --> 04:36:58,800
gun on a christian, and yet

7344
04:36:58,800 --> 04:37:01,800
you're proud of yourself because

7345
04:37:02,300 --> 04:37:04,390
you put one of you people in --

7346
04:37:04,390 --> 04:37:06,439
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7347
04:37:09,770 --> 04:37:13,277
you, sir. MAY we have the next

7348
04:37:14,949 --> 04:37:16,352
speaker, please.

7349
04:37:16,352 --> 04:37:18,860
>>speaker: good afternoon, I do

7350
04:37:18,860 --> 04:37:21,860
want to begin. I'm deborah

7351
04:37:21,157 --> 04:37:22,891
donothan, and I want to begin by

7352
04:37:22,891 --> 04:37:24,891
acknowledging supervisor vincent

7353
04:37:25,270 --> 04:37:27,295
sarmiento and his office for

7354
04:37:27,295 --> 04:37:30,432
already reaching out to me today

7355
04:37:30,432 --> 04:37:31,800
as well as the behavior

7356
04:37:31,800 --> 04:37:33,800
healthcare agency services

7357
04:37:35,604 --> 04:37:37,506
regarding their plan from --

7358
04:37:37,506 --> 04:37:38,206
it's going to be at the public

7359
04:37:38,206 --> 04:37:39,641
hearing tomorrow. I want to

7360
04:37:39,641 --> 04:37:40,508
speak more broadly about the

7361
04:37:40,508 --> 04:37:42,243
county's behavioral health

7362
04:37:42,243 --> 04:37:43,979
system and its intersection with

7363
04:37:43,979 --> 04:37:45,580
education and family rights. We

7364
04:37:45,580 --> 04:37:47,916
are seeing significant public

7365
04:37:47,916 --> 04:37:48,951
funding directed toward

7366
04:37:48,951 --> 04:37:50,951
contracted behavioral services.

7367
04:37:51,787 --> 04:37:53,289
However, families are not seeing

7368
04:37:53,289 --> 04:37:54,190
corresponding access to

7369
04:37:54,190 --> 04:37:56,190
appropriate legally compliant

7370
04:37:56,324 --> 04:37:57,426
care. There's a growing concern

7371
04:37:57,426 --> 04:38:00,610
that these systems as structured

7372
04:38:00,610 --> 04:38:02,461
MAY function outside the

7373
04:38:02,565 --> 04:38:03,899
protections required under idea,

7374
04:38:03,899 --> 04:38:05,601
the individuals with

7375
04:38:05,601 --> 04:38:07,303
disabilities education act, and

7376
04:38:07,303 --> 04:38:09,504
adults with disabilities act.

7377
04:38:09,504 --> 04:38:10,973
Particularly when they intersect

7378
04:38:10,973 --> 04:38:13,750
with school systems and family

7379
04:38:13,750 --> 04:38:14,142
decision-making authority. When

7380
04:38:14,142 --> 04:38:16,780
prevention and early supports

7381
04:38:16,780 --> 04:38:19,678
are rued, which is proposed in

7382
04:38:19,948 --> 04:38:20,783
this plan, while crisis and

7383
04:38:20,783 --> 04:38:22,484
high-intensity services are

7384
04:38:22,484 --> 04:38:23,820
expanded, the system can

7385
04:38:23,820 --> 04:38:24,820
unintentionally create

7386
04:38:24,820 --> 04:38:26,321
incentives for individuals to

7387
04:38:26,321 --> 04:38:28,757
enter care at a more acute

7388
04:38:28,757 --> 04:38:30,580
stage. That can increase

7389
04:38:30,580 --> 04:38:32,580
reliance on residential

7390
04:38:32,194 --> 04:38:34,194
placement and court-involved

7391
04:38:35,331 --> 04:38:35,897
systems such as care court and

7392
04:38:35,897 --> 04:38:36,498
conservatorship rather than

7393
04:38:36,498 --> 04:38:38,367
supporting individuals earlier

7394
04:38:38,367 --> 04:38:39,868
and present ising escalation.

7395
04:38:39,868 --> 04:38:42,268
When authorities shift families

7396
04:38:42,304 --> 04:38:43,272
to contract or court-appointed

7397
04:38:43,272 --> 04:38:44,840
systems, protections MAY still

7398
04:38:44,840 --> 04:38:46,975
exist on paper but become much

7399
04:38:46,975 --> 04:38:47,909
harder to enforce and practice.

7400
04:38:47,909 --> 04:38:49,979
At end of the day, protection is

7401
04:38:49,979 --> 04:38:51,413
not just about services being

7402
04:38:51,413 --> 04:38:53,813
offered, it's about whether

7403
04:38:53,849 --> 04:38:54,884
individuals and families can

7404
04:38:54,884 --> 04:38:56,752
understand, access and enforce

7405
04:38:56,752 --> 04:38:59,152
their rights within those

7406
04:38:59,388 --> 04:39:00,722
systems, as I addressed earlier

7407
04:39:00,722 --> 04:39:02,124
with these vulnerable

7408
04:39:02,124 --> 04:39:04,427
populations. I also want to

7409
04:39:04,427 --> 04:39:05,361
note, concerns regarding

7410
04:39:05,361 --> 04:39:07,361
overlapping legal representation

7411
04:39:08,264 --> 04:39:08,731
across school districts,

7412
04:39:08,731 --> 04:39:10,800
guardians ad litem and

7413
04:39:10,800 --> 04:39:11,534
contracted providers, these

7414
04:39:11,534 --> 04:39:13,202
overlapping roles raise

7415
04:39:13,202 --> 04:39:14,337
questions about conflicts of

7416
04:39:14,337 --> 04:39:16,720
interest and whether families

7417
04:39:16,720 --> 04:39:18,274
are receiving fully independent

7418
04:39:18,274 --> 04:39:20,900
and fair representation. I

7419
04:39:20,900 --> 04:39:21,544
respectfully ask the board to

7420
04:39:21,544 --> 04:39:22,945
ensure transparency,

7421
04:39:22,945 --> 04:39:24,945
accountability and full

7422
04:39:25,147 --> 04:39:27,147
compliance with federal

7423
04:39:27,483 --> 04:39:29,170
protections as these systems

7424
04:39:29,170 --> 04:39:30,119
expand, as it appears with the

7425
04:39:30,119 --> 04:39:32,855
plan being proposed. Because I

7426
04:39:32,855 --> 04:39:34,357
will not be able to attend the

7427
04:39:34,357 --> 04:39:35,858
subsequent meeting or tomorrow's

7428
04:39:35,858 --> 04:39:36,825
meeting, I want to ensure these

7429
04:39:36,825 --> 04:39:38,428
concerns are clearly placed on

7430
04:39:38,428 --> 04:39:39,929
record today. So thank you for

7431
04:39:39,929 --> 04:39:40,529
your time.

7432
04:39:40,529 --> 04:39:42,929
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7433
04:39:42,932 --> 04:39:43,299
you. MAY I have the next

7434
04:39:43,299 --> 04:39:44,733
speaker, please.

7435
04:39:44,733 --> 04:39:47,133
>>clerk, robin stieler: after

7436
04:39:50,206 --> 04:39:53,806
greg, donora, brian kay and nick

7437
04:40:00,416 --> 04:40:02,416
kolev.

7438
04:40:06,289 --> 04:40:09,225
>>speaker: happy day. You know,

7439
04:40:09,225 --> 04:40:10,760
at the last meeting I asked

7440
04:40:10,760 --> 04:40:12,662
supervisor sarmiento if he's

7441
04:40:12,662 --> 04:40:15,364
learned that he's accepted that

7442
04:40:15,364 --> 04:40:17,299
I'm -- I live in his district

7443
04:40:17,299 --> 04:40:19,340
and that he's my supervisor.

7444
04:40:19,340 --> 04:40:20,436
And I'd like to ask him, are you

7445
04:40:20,436 --> 04:40:24,707
aware of the fact that I am in

7446
04:40:24,707 --> 04:40:28,307
your district and I am your

7447
04:40:45,227 --> 04:40:46,729
constituent? Okay. So you

7448
04:40:46,729 --> 04:40:46,996
don't want to answer that

7449
04:40:46,996 --> 04:40:48,398
question.

7450
04:40:48,398 --> 04:40:49,733
>>chair, doug chaffee: it is not

7451
04:40:49,733 --> 04:40:50,600
our custom to respond.

7452
04:40:50,600 --> 04:40:52,235
>>speaker: you do answer them

7453
04:40:52,235 --> 04:40:53,770
when you want to. Doug chaffee

7454
04:40:53,770 --> 04:40:55,839
at a recent meeting was

7455
04:40:55,839 --> 04:40:57,173
complaining about the

7456
04:40:57,173 --> 04:40:59,141
whistle-blower program and

7457
04:40:59,141 --> 04:41:02,512
saying how ineffectual it is and

7458
04:41:02,512 --> 04:41:02,779
how it doesn't do its job

7459
04:41:02,779 --> 04:41:03,613
properly.

7460
04:41:03,613 --> 04:41:05,148
>>chair, doug chaffee: I've made

7461
04:41:05,148 --> 04:41:06,650
no such comments sir.

7462
04:41:06,650 --> 04:41:08,885
>>speaker: you've made those

7463
04:41:08,885 --> 04:41:09,386
comments all the time. You

7464
04:41:09,386 --> 04:41:10,520
couldn't deduct me, you

7465
04:41:10,520 --> 04:41:12,622
challenge me, and I'll go back

7466
04:41:12,622 --> 04:41:13,656
and get a copy of the meeting

7467
04:41:13,656 --> 04:41:15,158
and see if I can find where you

7468
04:41:15,158 --> 04:41:16,593
did say that. But the concern

7469
04:41:16,593 --> 04:41:17,994
that I have is more that you

7470
04:41:17,994 --> 04:41:20,230
have somebody who's stood before

7471
04:41:20,230 --> 04:41:22,131
you as a whistle-blower

7472
04:41:22,131 --> 04:41:23,567
presenting evidence, and then

7473
04:41:23,567 --> 04:41:25,669
you accuse that person of not

7474
04:41:25,669 --> 04:41:27,503
being a whistle-blower, of not

7475
04:41:27,503 --> 04:41:28,871
being that kind of person. And

7476
04:41:28,871 --> 04:41:32,471
you never showed any proof to

7477
04:41:33,176 --> 04:41:35,176
substantiate your statement.

7478
04:41:35,678 --> 04:41:36,580
You know, at the last meeting

7479
04:41:36,580 --> 04:41:38,115
katrina foley did spend an

7480
04:41:38,115 --> 04:41:40,317
extended amount of time talking

7481
04:41:40,317 --> 04:41:42,452
about the swag, the t-shirts,

7482
04:41:42,452 --> 04:41:45,452
the jackets and other items.

7483
04:41:46,489 --> 04:41:47,924
And now in her term of being on

7484
04:41:47,924 --> 04:41:49,325
the -- as a supervisor for a

7485
04:41:49,325 --> 04:41:51,661
number of years, she's come a

7486
04:41:51,661 --> 04:41:54,970
long way and she's learned that

7487
04:41:54,970 --> 04:41:55,650
sometimes you need to research

7488
04:41:55,650 --> 04:41:58,665
and see what's really going on.

7489
04:42:00,237 --> 04:42:01,104
And I'm curious, as katrina

7490
04:42:01,104 --> 04:42:02,773
foley -- I can't ask her

7491
04:42:02,773 --> 04:42:04,107
directly but has katrina foley

7492
04:42:04,107 --> 04:42:05,742
spent time to research the

7493
04:42:05,742 --> 04:42:07,344
charges that she's filed against

7494
04:42:07,344 --> 04:42:08,745
me and then claim that she

7495
04:42:08,745 --> 04:42:09,379
doesn't have filed against me.

7496
04:42:09,379 --> 04:42:10,480
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: for

7497
04:42:10,480 --> 04:42:11,682
the record, I have no charges

7498
04:42:11,682 --> 04:42:12,382
filed against him.

7499
04:42:12,382 --> 04:42:14,217
>>speaker: so when I go to

7500
04:42:14,217 --> 04:42:15,118
criminal court, I'll be

7501
04:42:15,118 --> 04:42:16,285
dismissed, is that correct.

7502
04:42:16,285 --> 04:42:17,854
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

7503
04:42:17,854 --> 04:42:19,423
have no charges filed against

7504
04:42:19,423 --> 04:42:20,890
him. I can't speak to whatever

7505
04:42:20,890 --> 04:42:21,591
he's talking about.

7506
04:42:21,591 --> 04:42:23,360
>>speaker: well, I have a court

7507
04:42:23,360 --> 04:42:27,560
date, and you are listed as the

7508
04:42:40,777 --> 04:42:42,312
complaining party. You know

7509
04:42:42,312 --> 04:42:44,514
what's really sad is I gave each

7510
04:42:44,514 --> 04:42:45,615
and every one of you 20 to 30

7511
04:42:45,615 --> 04:42:46,950
seconds to respond and, you

7512
04:42:46,950 --> 04:42:47,951
could have responded and you

7513
04:42:47,951 --> 04:42:50,187
could have resolved the

7514
04:42:50,187 --> 04:42:53,187
petitions that are before you.

7515
04:42:53,256 --> 04:42:54,691
You've chosen to go against your

7516
04:42:54,691 --> 04:42:56,259
own statements saying that if

7517
04:42:56,259 --> 04:42:57,827
you want to call attention to a

7518
04:42:57,827 --> 04:43:00,970
matter, the person will be

7519
04:43:00,970 --> 04:43:01,731
heard. And when a person stands

7520
04:43:01,731 --> 04:43:03,333
here, you intentionally ignore

7521
04:43:03,333 --> 04:43:04,340
them. Happy day.

7522
04:43:04,340 --> 04:43:07,340
>>chair, doug chaffee: MAY we

7523
04:43:25,389 --> 04:43:28,389
have the next speaker, please.

7524
04:43:28,425 --> 04:43:31,528
>>speaker: I'm very sorry. I am

7525
04:43:31,528 --> 04:43:33,997
super stressed. Never feel this

7526
04:43:33,997 --> 04:43:36,901
way in my life. I have a

7527
04:43:36,901 --> 04:43:39,202
wonderful life. Both parents

7528
04:43:39,202 --> 04:43:41,271
were pastor pentecostal and they

7529
04:43:41,271 --> 04:43:42,306
took us to church seven days a

7530
04:43:42,306 --> 04:43:44,508
week to share the love. And I

7531
04:43:44,508 --> 04:43:47,508
took care of government working

7532
04:43:49,747 --> 04:43:50,847
40 years and pay taxes, and I

7533
04:43:50,847 --> 04:43:53,247
said, government, whatever, they

7534
04:43:53,784 --> 04:43:56,190
let me down. They love cubans

7535
04:43:56,190 --> 04:43:58,121
and cuba loves america. So when

7536
04:43:58,121 --> 04:44:00,560
they told me that I qualify for

7537
04:44:00,560 --> 04:44:01,458
subsidy in any city, a

7538
04:44:01,458 --> 04:44:03,660
townhouse, I say, thank you, my

7539
04:44:03,660 --> 04:44:06,660
american dream. 40 years that I

7540
04:44:08,131 --> 04:44:10,467
work and pay taxes. Why I've

7541
04:44:10,467 --> 04:44:13,804
been forced to be homeless? I'm

7542
04:44:13,804 --> 04:44:17,404
a legal immigrant. I don't even

7543
04:44:17,574 --> 04:44:18,875
hear we sent to come into

7544
04:44:18,875 --> 04:44:21,275
talking about hispanic from

7545
04:44:23,514 --> 04:44:26,160
cuba. You know, so americana

7546
04:44:26,160 --> 04:44:27,484
psycho, and janet nguyen, you

7547
04:44:27,484 --> 04:44:29,786
haven't went what I went through

7548
04:44:29,786 --> 04:44:32,786
and andrew do since 2019. And

7549
04:44:32,790 --> 04:44:34,225
why should I end up in my car

7550
04:44:34,225 --> 04:44:37,825
waiting for someone to do the

7551
04:44:40,397 --> 04:44:41,999
right thing, fear for my safety?

7552
04:44:41,999 --> 04:44:44,134
My family is telling me,

7553
04:44:44,134 --> 04:44:45,769
breaking news, let the whole

7554
04:44:45,769 --> 04:44:48,769
world know what happened. And

7555
04:44:52,420 --> 04:44:54,144
all I ask, tell travis subsidy

7556
04:44:54,144 --> 04:44:54,678
the unit that I put in

7557
04:44:54,678 --> 04:44:55,980
application, the first one

7558
04:44:55,980 --> 04:44:58,915
before it was built in

7559
04:44:58,915 --> 04:45:00,915
huntington beach, even

7560
04:45:01,218 --> 04:45:02,553
lieutenant bed for huntington

7561
04:45:02,553 --> 04:45:05,553
beach knows that. And now

7562
04:45:06,691 --> 04:45:08,292
people moving in, young girls

7563
04:45:08,292 --> 04:45:09,693
that have not proved 40 years of

7564
04:45:09,693 --> 04:45:11,428
work and pay taxes like I've

7565
04:45:11,428 --> 04:45:13,363
done. And nobody seems to care

7566
04:45:13,363 --> 04:45:14,264
for me. And I'm a legal

7567
04:45:14,264 --> 04:45:15,833
immigrant, protected under

7568
04:45:15,833 --> 04:45:18,202
federal government. That's why

7569
04:45:18,202 --> 04:45:19,804
they're trying to restore

7570
04:45:19,804 --> 04:45:21,238
integrity in the whole country.

7571
04:45:21,238 --> 04:45:23,574
I'm hoping somebody call travis

7572
04:45:23,574 --> 04:45:25,576
and say make it happen so she

7573
04:45:25,576 --> 04:45:29,176
won't continue to live in her

7574
04:45:29,747 --> 04:45:30,948
car, please. Thank you.

7575
04:45:30,948 --> 04:45:33,348
>>clerk, robin stieler: last

7576
04:45:34,419 --> 04:45:37,419
three speakers are nick kolev,

7577
04:45:38,456 --> 04:45:41,456
nathan hill and reverend barbara

7578
04:45:43,494 --> 04:45:45,494
fairly.

7579
04:45:45,496 --> 04:45:47,331
>>speaker: CHAIRMAN Chaffee,

7580
04:45:47,331 --> 04:45:49,566
everybody here, good afternoon.

7581
04:45:49,566 --> 04:45:51,368
Nick kolev, civil rights

7582
04:45:51,368 --> 04:45:53,768
activist, civil engineer from

7583
04:45:57,842 --> 04:46:01,442
santa ana. I'm here today to

7584
04:46:02,579 --> 04:46:04,916
mention, to pay respect to the

7585
04:46:04,916 --> 04:46:06,916
russian-american outstanding

7586
04:46:09,587 --> 04:46:12,587
U.S. Marine youree platnikov,

7587
04:46:13,900 --> 04:46:14,825
who was murdered in the base of

7588
04:46:14,825 --> 04:46:17,262
okinawa, japan exactly in the

7589
04:46:17,262 --> 04:46:19,662
eastern time 1998. This murder

7590
04:46:20,465 --> 04:46:21,799
is still not resolved. I got a

7591
04:46:21,799 --> 04:46:24,935
lot of trouble trying to stand

7592
04:46:24,935 --> 04:46:29,135
for him to do the right things.

7593
04:46:30,700 --> 04:46:33,945
And I am here to mention it for

7594
04:46:33,945 --> 04:46:36,147
612 days I cannot get a

7595
04:46:36,147 --> 04:46:37,982
signature on this stipulation to

7596
04:46:37,982 --> 04:46:41,582
get the court order. The judge,

7597
04:46:42,620 --> 04:46:44,550
who is looking at it, is steven

7598
04:46:44,550 --> 04:46:46,257
hickling. He's a rookie judge,

7599
04:46:46,257 --> 04:46:48,692
less than a year, but he is the

7600
04:46:48,692 --> 04:46:51,692
right judge because he has

7601
04:46:53,131 --> 04:46:53,931
experiences as an attorney in

7602
04:46:53,931 --> 04:46:56,331
california state for retirement

7603
04:46:56,367 --> 04:46:59,304
funds. He said yes in the first

7604
04:46:59,304 --> 04:47:02,304
hearing, did not produce the

7605
04:47:02,340 --> 04:47:05,276
order on FEBRUARY 18th, and at

7606
04:47:05,276 --> 04:47:07,676
second hearing on FEBRUARY 27,

7607
04:47:08,412 --> 04:47:10,948
he said, oh, I took it just in

7608
04:47:10,948 --> 04:47:13,840
submission. It's in the court

7609
04:47:13,840 --> 04:47:14,485
transcripts. I am going to file

7610
04:47:14,485 --> 04:47:16,988
probably a federal court case,

7611
04:47:16,988 --> 04:47:19,900
and I am going to look for

7612
04:47:19,900 --> 04:47:20,959
serious compensation. We are

7613
04:47:20,959 --> 04:47:22,260
talking for millions of dollars,

7614
04:47:22,260 --> 04:47:24,696
because in a situation like

7615
04:47:24,696 --> 04:47:26,464
this, you cannot appeal no

7616
04:47:26,464 --> 04:47:29,234
action of a judge. What the

7617
04:47:29,234 --> 04:47:31,469
court of appeal are going to do?

7618
04:47:31,469 --> 04:47:33,771
You don't like it but it's

7619
04:47:33,771 --> 04:47:35,440
administrative procedure. His

7620
04:47:35,440 --> 04:47:37,742
salary after 90 days is supposed

7621
04:47:37,742 --> 04:47:39,544
to be is a extended, just like

7622
04:47:39,544 --> 04:47:43,144
the salary of the previous judge

7623
04:47:43,881 --> 04:47:46,117
who is julia palafox. And like

7624
04:47:46,117 --> 04:47:48,953
this, many judges, the ceo of

7625
04:47:48,953 --> 04:47:52,553
the court david yam sake doesn't

7626
04:47:52,790 --> 04:47:53,758
care. The legal counsel here is

7627
04:47:53,758 --> 04:47:54,893
supposed to be in charge of all

7628
04:47:54,893 --> 04:47:56,961
of the administrative procedures

7629
04:47:56,961 --> 04:47:58,362
in the county. He doesn't care

7630
04:47:58,362 --> 04:48:02,400
either. And we are going to be

7631
04:48:02,400 --> 04:48:04,436
surprised with the court case or

7632
04:48:04,436 --> 04:48:06,704
confrontation. And what is my

7633
04:48:06,704 --> 04:48:09,874
choice? If I cannot appeal it,

7634
04:48:09,874 --> 04:48:11,276
I already did it. The court of

7635
04:48:11,276 --> 04:48:12,811
appeal did it and went to

7636
04:48:12,811 --> 04:48:13,812
california supreme court.

7637
04:48:13,812 --> 04:48:16,212
California supreme court didn't

7638
04:48:16,848 --> 04:48:18,550
take it because it's just

7639
04:48:18,550 --> 04:48:20,180
administrative procedure. Doing

7640
04:48:20,180 --> 04:48:22,418
a personal confrontation with

7641
04:48:23,222 --> 04:48:25,622
the judge, with the

7642
04:48:25,857 --> 04:48:27,358
administration, what you advise

7643
04:48:27,358 --> 04:48:29,894
me? Definitely I'm not going to

7644
04:48:29,894 --> 04:48:30,595
abandon my retirement at age of

7645
04:48:30,595 --> 04:48:32,330
69.

7646
04:48:32,330 --> 04:48:35,930
It's political, behind it is all

7647
04:48:36,768 --> 04:48:39,168
my troubles is anti-defamation

7648
04:48:39,805 --> 04:48:42,805
league and chabad lube 75. If

7649
04:48:43,541 --> 04:48:46,145
those guys are the official

7650
04:48:46,145 --> 04:48:48,145
government institution, thank

7651
04:48:48,814 --> 04:48:49,714
you..

7652
04:48:49,714 --> 04:48:51,316
>>clerk, robin stieler: no

7653
04:48:51,316 --> 04:48:51,883
further speakers, MR. Chair.

7654
04:48:51,883 --> 04:48:54,283
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7655
04:48:55,120 --> 04:48:58,190
right. Now we're back to our

7656
04:48:58,190 --> 04:49:01,126
own comments. Ceo aguirre, do

7657
04:49:01,126 --> 04:49:02,228
you have any comments? Thank

7658
04:49:02,228 --> 04:49:03,662
you. Colleagues, any comments

7659
04:49:03,662 --> 04:49:05,197
at this time?

7660
04:49:05,197 --> 04:49:08,000
>>janet nguyen: I have two,

7661
04:49:08,000 --> 04:49:08,533
MR. CHAIRMAN, if that's okay.

7662
04:49:08,533 --> 04:49:10,933
>>chair, doug chaffee: all

7663
04:49:12,537 --> 04:49:14,937
right. Anybody else? Okay.

7664
04:49:15,707 --> 04:49:17,475
These are general comments. Are

7665
04:49:17,475 --> 04:49:18,710
you referring to memorials?

7666
04:49:18,710 --> 04:49:19,912
>>janet nguyen: they're not

7667
04:49:19,912 --> 04:49:20,578
memorials. They're comments.

7668
04:49:20,578 --> 04:49:21,413
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

7669
04:49:21,413 --> 04:49:23,248
Please go ahead.

7670
04:49:23,248 --> 04:49:24,820
>>janet nguyen: thank you. I

7671
04:49:24,820 --> 04:49:25,917
mentioned a little earlier but I

7672
04:49:25,917 --> 04:49:27,318
wanted to just talk about it

7673
04:49:27,318 --> 04:49:29,655
more extensively. I wanted to

7674
04:49:29,655 --> 04:49:30,955
give an update on items

7675
04:49:30,955 --> 04:49:33,355
pertaining between the county

7676
04:49:33,591 --> 04:49:34,359
and acmd. As you know, I've

7677
04:49:34,359 --> 04:49:36,829
been appointed again by the

7678
04:49:36,829 --> 04:49:39,640
CHAIRMAN To sit on aqmd board

7679
04:49:39,640 --> 04:49:41,300
and have been working with their

7680
04:49:41,300 --> 04:49:42,601
leadership on two innovative

7681
04:49:42,601 --> 04:49:45,100
environmental projects at our

7682
04:49:45,804 --> 04:49:48,720
landfill. I want to thank our

7683
04:49:48,720 --> 04:49:49,674
CHAIRMAN Aqmd board chair and

7684
04:49:49,674 --> 04:49:52,674
also vice-chair and the aqmd

7685
04:49:54,460 --> 04:49:55,130
city council -- city mayor

7686
04:49:55,130 --> 04:49:58,613
rodriguez from the city of yorba

7687
04:49:59,318 --> 04:50:00,850
linda for joining me -- actually

7688
04:50:00,850 --> 04:50:02,755
rodriguez helped and worked with

7689
04:50:02,755 --> 04:50:04,957
me to bring together to the

7690
04:50:04,957 --> 04:50:06,458
baumann to learn more on the

7691
04:50:06,458 --> 04:50:08,727
issues at the county. So

7692
04:50:08,727 --> 04:50:11,127
specifically at the baumann

7693
04:50:11,196 --> 04:50:11,796
landfill in irvine, oc waste and

7694
04:50:11,796 --> 04:50:13,399
recycle something proposing a

7695
04:50:13,399 --> 04:50:14,867
way to increase capacity of

7696
04:50:14,867 --> 04:50:16,302
organic waste and reduce

7697
04:50:16,302 --> 04:50:18,103
emissions in the process. This

7698
04:50:18,103 --> 04:50:20,400
was going to cost the county up

7699
04:50:20,400 --> 04:50:20,906
to $5 million to purchase the

7700
04:50:20,906 --> 04:50:22,906
state's emission reduction

7701
04:50:24,142 --> 04:50:26,542
credit. After work extensively

7702
04:50:28,130 --> 04:50:30,282
with aqmd, our executive officer

7703
04:50:30,282 --> 04:50:31,316
there and the staff there, it

7704
04:50:31,316 --> 04:50:34,190
has been agreed that the county

7705
04:50:34,190 --> 04:50:35,821
could use our existing credits

7706
04:50:35,821 --> 04:50:37,189
to off-set that cost, which

7707
04:50:37,189 --> 04:50:38,724
brings that amount to zero cost

7708
04:50:38,724 --> 04:50:40,759
to the county. And so we've

7709
04:50:40,759 --> 04:50:44,596
had -- we were able to get a

7710
04:50:44,596 --> 04:50:47,233
savings of $5 million. On top

7711
04:50:47,233 --> 04:50:49,101
that, he -- our ceo over at aqmd

7712
04:50:49,101 --> 04:50:50,969
also gave the green light for us

7713
04:50:50,969 --> 04:50:52,738
to use our existing credit for a

7714
04:50:52,738 --> 04:50:55,738
new method to capture emissions

7715
04:50:56,241 --> 04:50:57,843
and convert them to renewable

7716
04:50:57,843 --> 04:50:59,544
energy that he will the landfill

7717
04:50:59,544 --> 04:51:01,944
processes produces several types

7718
04:51:02,681 --> 04:51:04,250
of gases which apparently flare

7719
04:51:04,250 --> 04:51:06,252
into the air. This method

7720
04:51:06,252 --> 04:51:08,652
itself would reduce 81%, taking

7721
04:51:08,654 --> 04:51:10,654
almost more than 159,000

7722
04:51:10,789 --> 04:51:12,592
vehicles often road annually.

7723
04:51:12,592 --> 04:51:15,428
. This in itself, we would have

7724
04:51:15,428 --> 04:51:17,828
to purchase more than $15

7725
04:51:18,300 --> 04:51:20,166
million in emission credits but

7726
04:51:20,166 --> 04:51:21,700
again now we can use what we

7727
04:51:21,700 --> 04:51:23,368
currently have, which is another

7728
04:51:23,368 --> 04:51:25,337
savings of $50 million to the

7729
04:51:25,337 --> 04:51:27,740
county. So it's -- I'm

7730
04:51:27,740 --> 04:51:29,740
extremely pressed with our great

7731
04:51:29,740 --> 04:51:29,875
engineers at the landfill,

7732
04:51:29,875 --> 04:51:32,211
really appreciate the inland

7733
04:51:32,211 --> 04:51:33,713
phil staff as well, and the

7734
04:51:33,713 --> 04:51:35,614
technology and the thinking

7735
04:51:35,614 --> 04:51:38,250
outside the box, they're really

7736
04:51:38,250 --> 04:51:38,885
trying to help bring down the

7737
04:51:38,885 --> 04:51:41,420
emissions in orange county, but

7738
04:51:41,420 --> 04:51:42,421
on top of that, we were able to

7739
04:51:42,421 --> 04:51:45,158
now have saved oc waste and

7740
04:51:45,158 --> 04:51:45,791
recycling $20 million. And so

7741
04:51:45,791 --> 04:51:47,960
again, thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN

7742
04:51:47,960 --> 04:51:50,950
for joining me and helping us,

7743
04:51:50,950 --> 04:51:52,432
working on this since last year.

7744
04:51:52,432 --> 04:51:53,966
So it's a big, big project.

7745
04:51:53,966 --> 04:51:55,468
Obviously there's -- once these

7746
04:51:55,468 --> 04:51:57,670
permits are finalized in the

7747
04:51:57,670 --> 04:52:00,500
next few months, we can -- the

7748
04:52:00,500 --> 04:52:00,740
projects can begin and we can

7749
04:52:00,740 --> 04:52:03,140
actually celebrate the savings

7750
04:52:05,678 --> 04:52:07,680
and also the lessening 159,000

7751
04:52:07,680 --> 04:52:09,115
cars -- well, equivalent to

7752
04:52:09,115 --> 04:52:10,516
159,000 cars often road in

7753
04:52:10,516 --> 04:52:12,518
orange county. So it's very

7754
04:52:12,518 --> 04:52:14,553
exciting. Again, thank you to

7755
04:52:14,553 --> 04:52:17,553
MADAM Ceo and oc waste

7756
04:52:18,991 --> 04:52:20,260
management staff for getting us

7757
04:52:20,260 --> 04:52:22,161
as far as we are now. And the

7758
04:52:22,161 --> 04:52:25,161
next item, again, I mentioned

7759
04:52:25,264 --> 04:52:26,865
last meeting our annual free pet

7760
04:52:26,865 --> 04:52:30,436
expo is on APRIL 25th from

7761
04:52:30,436 --> 04:52:32,939
1:00 to 4:00 at the center park

7762
04:52:32,939 --> 04:52:34,574
west in huntington beach behind

7763
04:52:34,574 --> 04:52:36,974
cathy MAY's restaurant. It's

7764
04:52:38,211 --> 04:52:39,780
off offed wards. There will be

7765
04:52:39,780 --> 04:52:41,246
plenty of free park. We will

7766
04:52:41,246 --> 04:52:43,783
have more than a couple dozen

7767
04:52:43,783 --> 04:52:44,984
local businesses, rescues and

7768
04:52:44,984 --> 04:52:46,850
local animal hospitals working

7769
04:52:46,850 --> 04:52:47,620
together to educate the public

7770
04:52:47,620 --> 04:52:48,888
on animal welfare, and the

7771
04:52:48,888 --> 04:52:50,757
county is covering the dog

7772
04:52:50,757 --> 04:52:52,392
licensing fees and the city of

7773
04:52:52,392 --> 04:52:54,194
huntington beach is covering the

7774
04:52:54,194 --> 04:52:55,940
cat licensing fees. And so

7775
04:52:55,940 --> 04:52:57,497
adoption will be free for

7776
04:52:57,497 --> 04:52:59,164
residents from all over orange

7777
04:52:59,164 --> 04:53:00,566
county and anybody else who we

7778
04:53:00,566 --> 04:53:02,702
would like you to come by,

7779
04:53:02,702 --> 04:53:04,204
please, and adopt the animals

7780
04:53:04,204 --> 04:53:05,371
because they would love to find

7781
04:53:05,371 --> 04:53:08,441
a forever home. Again, a big

7782
04:53:08,441 --> 04:53:10,576
thank you to oc animal care

7783
04:53:10,576 --> 04:53:12,579
staff and wags for providing the

7784
04:53:12,579 --> 04:53:13,145
pets and also the city of

7785
04:53:13,145 --> 04:53:14,413
huntington beach, as well.

7786
04:53:14,413 --> 04:53:15,810
Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

7787
04:53:15,810 --> 04:53:18,810
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

7788
04:53:19,418 --> 04:53:20,253
for comments. Vice-chair?

7789
04:53:20,253 --> 04:53:22,588
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

7790
04:53:22,588 --> 04:53:23,223
you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank you,

7791
04:53:23,223 --> 04:53:25,623
supervisor nguyen for excellent

7792
04:53:26,250 --> 04:53:28,425
work supporting the county's

7793
04:53:28,895 --> 04:53:30,963
efforts. And we are all trying

7794
04:53:30,963 --> 04:53:32,966
to do our part and yesterday as

7795
04:53:32,966 --> 04:53:35,869
I mentioned, I went to

7796
04:53:35,869 --> 04:53:37,504
sacramento first to testify for

7797
04:53:37,504 --> 04:53:39,205
senator blake spears' bill,

7798
04:53:39,205 --> 04:53:42,205
which is also co-authored by

7799
04:53:43,410 --> 04:53:45,945
senator um berg. Sb-936, which

7800
04:53:45,945 --> 04:53:48,945
the county helped to cosponsor.

7801
04:53:49,820 --> 04:53:50,550
This bill past out of the senate

7802
04:53:50,550 --> 04:53:51,852
standing committee on business

7803
04:53:51,852 --> 04:53:53,852
professions and economic

7804
04:53:56,422 --> 04:53:58,580
development 10 to 0. It had

7805
04:53:58,580 --> 04:53:59,250
previously past out of the

7806
04:53:59,250 --> 04:54:00,994
public safety committee and now

7807
04:54:00,994 --> 04:54:01,628
we're on our way to

7808
04:54:01,628 --> 04:54:04,628
appropriations. And this is the

7809
04:54:04,731 --> 04:54:07,767
bill to ban nitrous oxide and to

7810
04:54:07,767 --> 04:54:10,303
regulate the size, the flavoring

7811
04:54:10,303 --> 04:54:11,805
and the -- who can sell nitrous

7812
04:54:11,805 --> 04:54:12,772
oxide and for what purpose in

7813
04:54:12,772 --> 04:54:14,941
the state of california. So

7814
04:54:14,941 --> 04:54:16,977
really appreciate my colleagues'

7815
04:54:16,977 --> 04:54:18,578
support. Also we met with the

7816
04:54:18,578 --> 04:54:20,546
governor's office to advocate

7817
04:54:20,546 --> 04:54:23,416
for our budget priority. Some

7818
04:54:23,416 --> 04:54:25,751
of the things that we past today

7819
04:54:25,751 --> 04:54:29,351
to make sure, especially as it

7820
04:54:29,489 --> 04:54:31,124
relates to hr1 and our social

7821
04:54:31,124 --> 04:54:33,426
service agency demands and the

7822
04:54:33,426 --> 04:54:37,260
funding losses that we have the

7823
04:54:37,297 --> 04:54:38,598
state step in. Counties are all

7824
04:54:38,598 --> 04:54:39,701
collaborating together on this,

7825
04:54:39,701 --> 04:54:42,636
the urban counties and the

7826
04:54:42,636 --> 04:54:44,370
governor's office had basically

7827
04:54:44,370 --> 04:54:47,370
expressed that the message is

7828
04:54:47,707 --> 04:54:48,875
being received. Everybody's on

7829
04:54:48,875 --> 04:54:50,944
message, unified, that the state

7830
04:54:50,944 --> 04:54:53,460
needs to prepare some funding

7831
04:54:53,460 --> 04:54:54,281
for our counties to help sport

7832
04:54:54,281 --> 04:54:57,281
social service safety net. And

7833
04:54:58,518 --> 04:54:59,385
then I wanted to also thank

7834
04:54:59,385 --> 04:55:01,870
congressman derek tran, who

7835
04:55:01,870 --> 04:55:03,487
presented us with the $250,000

7836
04:55:03,524 --> 04:55:05,325
check for our -- from our

7837
04:55:05,325 --> 04:55:07,725
community project funding for

7838
04:55:07,828 --> 04:55:11,428
the oc house finance trust for

7839
04:55:12,265 --> 04:55:13,366
affordable housing construction.

7840
04:55:13,366 --> 04:55:16,366
Hr7148 was signed into law

7841
04:55:16,403 --> 04:55:18,438
FEBRUARY 26th. Then funding

7842
04:55:18,438 --> 04:55:19,339
sports development of 2700

7843
04:55:19,339 --> 04:55:21,339
permanent affordable house

7844
04:55:22,476 --> 04:55:26,760
units, and we will leverage the

7845
04:55:26,213 --> 04:55:27,214
250,000 into $1.25 million in

7846
04:55:27,214 --> 04:55:29,214
affordable housing financing.

7847
04:55:29,249 --> 04:55:31,685
So this investment is part of

7848
04:55:31,685 --> 04:55:32,953
our $14 million funding package.

7849
04:55:32,953 --> 04:55:35,322
Supervisor sarmiento sits with

7850
04:55:35,322 --> 04:55:36,957
me on the orange county housing

7851
04:55:36,957 --> 04:55:39,259
finance trust, and we're doing a

7852
04:55:39,259 --> 04:55:42,495
lot to try to help fill gaps and

7853
04:55:42,495 --> 04:55:46,320
build more housing. I wanted to

7854
04:55:46,320 --> 04:55:46,633
also ask that we take a look

7855
04:55:46,633 --> 04:55:48,268
and -- I meant to mention this

7856
04:55:48,268 --> 04:55:51,639
earlier because this was in one

7857
04:55:51,639 --> 04:55:54,542
of our items. MS. Aguirre, as

7858
04:55:54,542 --> 04:55:56,944
it relates to our copiers or any

7859
04:55:56,944 --> 04:55:58,745
other leased equipment, if you

7860
04:55:58,745 --> 04:56:01,145
could please have procurement

7861
04:56:02,116 --> 04:56:03,917
look into whether or not we're

7862
04:56:03,917 --> 04:56:06,853
being charged tariff fees on a

7863
04:56:06,853 --> 04:56:09,790
monthly basis as it relates to

7864
04:56:09,790 --> 04:56:12,790
these kinds of contracts because

7865
04:56:13,260 --> 04:56:15,128
it's come to my attention that

7866
04:56:15,128 --> 04:56:17,664
businesses in the area are

7867
04:56:17,664 --> 04:56:20,000
getting charged tariff fees on a

7868
04:56:20,000 --> 04:56:22,369
monthly basis. And so give --

7869
04:56:22,369 --> 04:56:23,704
and if it's a copier, it might

7870
04:56:23,704 --> 04:56:26,400
be based on involve printing,

7871
04:56:26,400 --> 04:56:28,440
which could be extremely

7872
04:56:28,976 --> 04:56:31,412
expensive for us as a county.

7873
04:56:31,412 --> 04:56:32,712
So wanting to make sure that we

7874
04:56:32,712 --> 04:56:34,515
understand these extra costs

7875
04:56:34,515 --> 04:56:37,384
that have been added in that are

7876
04:56:37,384 --> 04:56:39,820
outside of our normal contracts,

7877
04:56:39,820 --> 04:56:41,622
especially in light of the

7878
04:56:41,622 --> 04:56:42,956
tariffs being ruled

7879
04:56:42,956 --> 04:56:44,458
unconstitutional. I'm not sure

7880
04:56:44,458 --> 04:56:46,600
how we have to pay tariffs

7881
04:56:46,600 --> 04:56:48,896
anymore. So if we could look

7882
04:56:48,896 --> 04:56:50,431
into that and have procurement

7883
04:56:50,431 --> 04:56:52,132
maybe take a look at some of our

7884
04:56:52,132 --> 04:56:53,733
billings to make sure we're not

7885
04:56:53,733 --> 04:56:54,301
overpaying. Thank you.

7886
04:56:54,301 --> 04:56:56,504
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

7887
04:56:56,504 --> 04:56:56,771
you, vice-chair. Supervisor

7888
04:56:56,771 --> 04:56:57,504
sarmiento?

7889
04:56:57,504 --> 04:56:59,206
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank

7890
04:56:59,206 --> 04:57:00,874
you, MR. Chair. I'll be brief.

7891
04:57:00,874 --> 04:57:02,209
I only have a couple of things.

7892
04:57:02,209 --> 04:57:04,178
I want to start with something

7893
04:57:04,178 --> 04:57:06,714
not so pleasant. There have

7894
04:57:06,714 --> 04:57:08,115
been recent online threats

7895
04:57:08,115 --> 04:57:09,817
resulting from a smear campaign

7896
04:57:09,817 --> 04:57:12,519
targeting the islamic society of

7897
04:57:12,519 --> 04:57:14,488
orange county. Unfortunately,

7898
04:57:14,488 --> 04:57:15,923
these have been fueled by

7899
04:57:15,923 --> 04:57:17,923
misinformation circulated on

7900
04:57:19,526 --> 04:57:21,863
social media by a notorious

7901
04:57:21,863 --> 04:57:22,964
anti-muslim islam phobic group

7902
04:57:22,964 --> 04:57:25,800
and individuals that hide behind

7903
04:57:25,800 --> 04:57:26,667
their keyboard. I just want to

7904
04:57:26,667 --> 04:57:29,667
make clear that everybody knows

7905
04:57:29,736 --> 04:57:31,472
I stand with the muslim

7906
04:57:31,472 --> 04:57:34,308
community in condemnation of the

7907
04:57:34,308 --> 04:57:36,708
recent vial, disgusting attacks

7908
04:57:37,711 --> 04:57:39,800
on isoc. I personally witnessed

7909
04:57:39,800 --> 04:57:40,581
isoc service not only the muslim

7910
04:57:40,581 --> 04:57:42,490
community but also the broader

7911
04:57:42,490 --> 04:57:44,449
orange county family. It's

7912
04:57:44,885 --> 04:57:45,519
assisted the unhoused, provided

7913
04:57:45,519 --> 04:57:47,388
groceries to the food insecure,

7914
04:57:47,388 --> 04:57:48,856
set up educational programs and

7915
04:57:48,856 --> 04:57:50,856
participated in interfaith

7916
04:57:51,992 --> 04:57:53,561
partnerships. Just last meeting

7917
04:57:53,561 --> 04:57:55,129
I believe we recognized for the

7918
04:57:55,129 --> 04:57:57,131
first time contribution from the

7919
04:57:57,131 --> 04:57:59,131
muslim uncommunity by

7920
04:58:01,836 --> 04:58:04,138
recognizing eid al-fitr for the

7921
04:58:04,138 --> 04:58:05,600
first time here. Sadly we must

7922
04:58:05,600 --> 04:58:06,640
focus on the safety and

7923
04:58:06,640 --> 04:58:08,242
well-being of our neighbors who

7924
04:58:08,242 --> 04:58:10,678
attend services there in isoc

7925
04:58:10,678 --> 04:58:12,130
and over 500 young studentsen

7926
04:58:12,130 --> 04:58:14,115
rolled in their stool school

7927
04:58:14,115 --> 04:58:16,551
there on campus. This is a

7928
04:58:16,551 --> 04:58:17,885
50-year institution that's been

7929
04:58:17,885 --> 04:58:20,521
not only there for the muslim

7930
04:58:20,521 --> 04:58:22,423
community but also the larger

7931
04:58:22,423 --> 04:58:24,192
orange county community. They

7932
04:58:24,192 --> 04:58:25,226
are located in garden grove. My

7933
04:58:25,226 --> 04:58:27,996
office is committed to working

7934
04:58:27,996 --> 04:58:29,697
with the orange county muslim

7935
04:58:29,697 --> 04:58:31,320
community to rise and request

7936
04:58:31,320 --> 04:58:33,367
that law enforcement investigate

7937
04:58:33,367 --> 04:58:34,268
and if necessary prosecute those

7938
04:58:34,268 --> 04:58:36,637
proliferating this hate speech.

7939
04:58:36,637 --> 04:58:38,720
So that is very unfortunate, but

7940
04:58:38,720 --> 04:58:38,873
let me move to something a

7941
04:58:38,873 --> 04:58:41,800
little bit more pleasant and end

7942
04:58:41,800 --> 04:58:43,644
with this. This past saturday

7943
04:58:43,644 --> 04:58:46,644
was our third annual sponsorship

7944
04:58:48,616 --> 04:58:50,218
of the orange county animal

7945
04:58:50,218 --> 04:58:53,218
care's pet pantry. Our office

7946
04:58:54,355 --> 04:58:55,656
sponsors this a few times a

7947
04:58:55,656 --> 04:58:57,291
year, and the orange county

7948
04:58:57,291 --> 04:58:59,593
animal care does this every

7949
04:58:59,593 --> 04:59:01,729
second saturday of the month

7950
04:59:01,729 --> 04:59:03,530
where free pet food and other

7951
04:59:03,530 --> 04:59:04,310
pet supplies are provided to

7952
04:59:04,310 --> 04:59:04,932
county residents who are

7953
04:59:04,932 --> 04:59:07,332
struggling financially to feed

7954
04:59:07,902 --> 04:59:08,803
their pets. It's a drive-thru

7955
04:59:08,803 --> 04:59:10,771
event, and the need is so vast

7956
04:59:10,771 --> 04:59:12,240
that people line up as early as

7957
04:59:12,240 --> 04:59:13,975
4:00 in the morning because the

7958
04:59:13,975 --> 04:59:16,177
line can stretch over for a

7959
04:59:16,177 --> 04:59:18,613
mile. I want to thank monica

7960
04:59:18,613 --> 04:59:20,848
and everybody at oc animal care

7961
04:59:20,848 --> 04:59:21,649
and all the volunteers,

7962
04:59:21,649 --> 04:59:23,751
especially don, who is the

7963
04:59:23,751 --> 04:59:26,151
volunteer coordinator. We had

7964
04:59:28,723 --> 04:59:31,723
people there from -- volunteers

7965
04:59:31,859 --> 04:59:33,828
from boeing, pacific life, chase

7966
04:59:33,828 --> 04:59:37,428
bank and uci. This event was

7967
04:59:37,531 --> 04:59:38,399
the biggest yet. We had over

7968
04:59:38,399 --> 04:59:40,799
423 vehicles come through and

7969
04:59:40,835 --> 04:59:43,235
receive support. There were 38

7970
04:59:43,971 --> 04:59:45,971
volunteers. 804 dogs and

7971
04:59:46,908 --> 04:59:49,243
puppies, 957 cats and kittens,

7972
04:59:49,243 --> 04:59:52,243
24 rabbits, 52 birds for a total

7973
04:59:52,247 --> 04:59:55,247
of 1,be 787 pets that were

7974
04:59:55,484 --> 04:59:57,884
served. And over 31,000 total

7975
05:00:02,123 --> 05:00:05,123
pounds of food distributed. If

7976
05:00:05,193 --> 05:00:06,930
you ever find yourself with

7977
05:00:06,930 --> 05:00:07,662
nothing to do on a saturday

7978
05:00:07,662 --> 05:00:09,163
morning, please go join

7979
05:00:09,163 --> 05:00:10,131
everybody. It will fill your

7980
05:00:10,131 --> 05:00:13,731
heart to see somebody walk away

7981
05:00:16,638 --> 05:00:19,273
with food that's now got their

7982
05:00:19,273 --> 05:00:20,809
pets. There was a person who

7983
05:00:20,809 --> 05:00:22,977
said he goes without eating

7984
05:00:22,977 --> 05:00:24,712
sometimes just to get food for

7985
05:00:24,712 --> 05:00:25,880
his pet. We broke records on

7986
05:00:25,880 --> 05:00:27,549
saturday. I want to thank the

7987
05:00:27,549 --> 05:00:28,550
team there. And with that,

7988
05:00:28,550 --> 05:00:28,816
MR. Chair, those are my

7989
05:00:28,816 --> 05:00:29,851
comments.

7990
05:00:29,851 --> 05:00:30,886
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

7991
05:00:30,886 --> 05:00:34,486
for your comments. Do we have

7992
05:00:35,723 --> 05:00:36,591
any memorials? Go ahead,

7993
05:00:36,591 --> 05:00:38,591
vice-chair.

7994
05:00:39,894 --> 05:00:40,596
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:

7995
05:00:40,596 --> 05:00:42,330
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: today

7996
05:00:42,330 --> 05:00:44,532
I'd like to ask that the board

7997
05:00:44,532 --> 05:00:46,668
adjourn today's meeting in

7998
05:00:46,668 --> 05:00:49,680
recognition of sergeant bill

7999
05:00:49,270 --> 05:00:51,670
stewart of balboa island.

8000
05:00:52,700 --> 05:00:54,542
Sergeant stewart passed away on

8001
05:00:54,542 --> 05:00:56,942
JANUARY 12th, 2026. Born in

8002
05:00:57,446 --> 05:00:59,648
1929, he was a young age of 96

8003
05:00:59,648 --> 05:01:02,217
years old. We remember bill for

8004
05:01:02,217 --> 05:01:03,752
his devotion to preserving our

8005
05:01:03,752 --> 05:01:05,253
local balboa island history and

8006
05:01:05,253 --> 05:01:07,388
his remarkable service to our

8007
05:01:07,388 --> 05:01:08,890
country. At just 12 years old,

8008
05:01:08,890 --> 05:01:11,226
bill began his storied career

8009
05:01:11,226 --> 05:01:13,628
and service to our great nation

8010
05:01:13,628 --> 05:01:15,263
enlisting as an army air force's

8011
05:01:15,263 --> 05:01:18,263
ground observer corps after the

8012
05:01:19,601 --> 05:01:20,736
attack on pearl harbor. Bill's

8013
05:01:20,736 --> 05:01:22,938
school journey intertwined with

8014
05:01:22,938 --> 05:01:24,372
his military service. He left

8015
05:01:24,372 --> 05:01:26,808
high school early at age 17 to

8016
05:01:26,808 --> 05:01:29,511
rejoin the army air corps.

8017
05:01:29,511 --> 05:01:31,246
After graduating from the eighth

8018
05:01:31,246 --> 05:01:32,781
army signal corps school in

8019
05:01:32,781 --> 05:01:35,116
japan, he later attended cal

8020
05:01:35,116 --> 05:01:36,752
tech on the gi bill before

8021
05:01:36,752 --> 05:01:38,453
returning to service for the

8022
05:01:38,453 --> 05:01:40,853
korean war. Bill's career

8023
05:01:41,560 --> 05:01:42,891
blended his technical expertise

8024
05:01:42,891 --> 05:01:45,827
and leadership as he served as a

8025
05:01:45,827 --> 05:01:48,797
radar unit chief in casablanca

8026
05:01:48,797 --> 05:01:52,100
and working on aircraft radar in

8027
05:01:52,100 --> 05:01:53,468
guam. In 1962 he famously

8028
05:01:53,468 --> 05:01:56,104
supervised the rescue and rest

8029
05:01:56,104 --> 05:01:59,104
occasion of the -- restoration

8030
05:02:01,877 --> 05:02:03,612
of the uss potomac, fdr's

8031
05:02:03,612 --> 05:02:04,246
presidential yacht of which he

8032
05:02:04,246 --> 05:02:05,313
sailed back to the united

8033
05:02:05,313 --> 05:02:07,583
states. For his service he

8034
05:02:07,583 --> 05:02:09,500
earned a world war ii victory

8035
05:02:09,500 --> 05:02:10,887
medal and recognized as the

8036
05:02:10,887 --> 05:02:12,821
youngest veteran of world war

8037
05:02:12,821 --> 05:02:14,156
ii. Bill shared 22 years of

8038
05:02:14,156 --> 05:02:16,358
marriage with barbara miller

8039
05:02:16,358 --> 05:02:18,994
until her passing. Then he

8040
05:02:18,994 --> 05:02:21,960
found joy in his 40-year

8041
05:02:21,960 --> 05:02:22,731
marriage to bobby booth.

8042
05:02:22,731 --> 05:02:25,131
Locally bill remained a

8043
05:02:25,634 --> 05:02:26,534
constant, positive presence on

8044
05:02:26,534 --> 05:02:27,436
balboa island known for his

8045
05:02:27,436 --> 05:02:29,370
commitment to giving back to

8046
05:02:29,370 --> 05:02:31,139
others. He served eight years

8047
05:02:31,139 --> 05:02:33,341
as the treasurer for the balboa

8048
05:02:33,341 --> 05:02:34,977
island improvement association

8049
05:02:34,977 --> 05:02:36,445
and volunteered for nearly every

8050
05:02:36,445 --> 05:02:39,445
major local event, from the

8051
05:02:39,514 --> 05:02:40,449
annual opening day parade to the

8052
05:02:40,449 --> 05:02:42,449
veterans barbecue. Bill's

8053
05:02:42,852 --> 05:02:45,120
legacy of service to our country

8054
05:02:45,120 --> 05:02:47,189
and community lives on in the

8055
05:02:47,189 --> 05:02:49,324
proud flag pole at balboa park

8056
05:02:49,324 --> 05:02:50,826
from which he spearheaded the

8057
05:02:50,826 --> 05:02:52,160
planning and installation. He

8058
05:02:52,160 --> 05:02:54,262
further served as a guardian of

8059
05:02:54,262 --> 05:02:56,565
local history by leading the

8060
05:02:56,565 --> 05:02:58,200
veterans division at the balboa

8061
05:02:58,200 --> 05:02:59,701
island museum, spenting the

8062
05:02:59,701 --> 05:03:01,300
stories of local vets in --

8063
05:03:01,300 --> 05:03:02,470
cementing the stories of local

8064
05:03:02,470 --> 05:03:04,774
vets in our local history. Bill

8065
05:03:04,774 --> 05:03:07,208
is survived by his wife bobby,

8066
05:03:07,208 --> 05:03:08,510
children brad and susannah,

8067
05:03:08,510 --> 05:03:09,345
stepdaughter vicki

8068
05:03:09,345 --> 05:03:11,345
and grandchildren and

8069
05:03:11,580 --> 05:03:13,381
grandsons. Bill also received

8070
05:03:13,381 --> 05:03:16,785
my veteran of the year award,

8071
05:03:16,785 --> 05:03:20,756
and I was able to present it to

8072
05:03:20,756 --> 05:03:24,356
him and share with the american

8073
05:03:24,593 --> 05:03:27,630
legion 291 team, which he was so

8074
05:03:27,630 --> 05:03:29,264
thrilled by. I send my

8075
05:03:29,264 --> 05:03:30,900
heart-felt condolence to balboa

8076
05:03:30,900 --> 05:03:32,267
island community and to bill's

8077
05:03:32,267 --> 05:03:34,103
many friends and family members

8078
05:03:34,103 --> 05:03:35,404
and I request today that we

8079
05:03:35,404 --> 05:03:37,639
adjourn today's meeting on this

8080
05:03:37,639 --> 05:03:39,375
day APRIL 14th, 2026 in honor

8081
05:03:39,375 --> 05:03:40,976
of bill stewart. He will be

8082
05:03:40,976 --> 05:03:41,543
sorely missed.

8083
05:03:41,543 --> 05:03:43,311
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank

8084
05:03:43,311 --> 05:03:45,648
you. Are there any further

8085
05:03:45,648 --> 05:03:46,000
memorials, comments among my