>>chair, doug chaffee: good
morning, everyone. Please find
a seat, if you can. We have
some presentations to make this
morning before we start our
board meeting. And so I'm doug
chaffee, the chair of the board,
and also fourth district
supervisor. The first item
we're going to bring is "elder
abuse awareness" day. It's
actually passed, but we look at
that every dave the year anyway.
I'd like to thank supervisor
nguyen for joining me and
bringing this item forward. So
thank you, supervisor nguyen.
Sadly, every year we recognize
elder abuse day to bring
awareness to the exploitation,
neglect and abuse many of our
seniors experience and try to
offer hope to the victims. In
orange county, adults 65 and
older account for over 24% of
our population, and this
population is continuing to grow
almost expotentially. So 10% of
adults say 65 and older
experience some form of abuse
within any given year. That's
an awful statistic. Elder abuse
takes many forms. Can be
physical, psychological, sexual,
financial exploitation, neglect
or sometimes even abandonment.
In 2025 alone, the county of
orange social services agency
adult protective services
program received over 22,000
reports regarding abuse and
neglect. Now, the county of
orange, including the social
service agency, and we have many
agencies involved in this
program, our health agency, our
office on aging, public
gardenia, district attorney, and
orange county community partners
are committed to helping seniors
live longer, healthier, and
safer lives.. To receive this
resolution, I'd like to invite
the following people to come up,
please. Gale aroux hoe, the
district director of the social
service agency, claudia harris,
director of the office of aging.
The county offers programs that
offer support for families,
caregivers, address issues of
exploitation, neglect, and abuse
of elders. We strongly
encourage every resident in
orange county to report
suspected abuse of an elderly
person. So thank you to all the
communities who have provided
support and working lang side
our community every day. So if
you are a victim of elder abuse
or know someone in need of
support, please call the adult
protective services hotline,
which is 800-451-5155. Now
before gale speaks, I'd like to
invite supervisor nguyen and the
rest of the board to give any
remarks about the resolution
we're about to present. Thank
you.
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN, and thank you for
the opportunity to co-author
with you on this important
awareness. A time dedicated to
protecting some of the most
important individuals of our
community, our seniors. Every
one of us has someone we cherish
who is older, a parent, a
grandparent, a neighbor, a
mentor or a friend. These are
the people who help build our
communities, raise families,
serve our country, started
businesses and passed down the
values that guide us today.
They deserve our gratitude.
They deserve our respect, and
most important, they deserve to
live with dignity and safely.
Unfortunately, elder abuse is
more common than many people
realize. It can take many
forms, physical abuse, emotional
abuse, neglect, financial
exploitation or even isolation.
Sometimes the signs are obvious.
More importantly they are
hidden behind closed doors --
more often, they are hidden
behind closed doors, unnoticed
by the people who care. Many
victims are afraid to speak up.
Some feel embarrassed. Others
worry about losing their
independence or burdening their
loved ones. That is why
awareness matters. We all have
a role to play in protecting our
older adults. A simple phone
call, a visit or checking in on
a neighbor can make a big
difference. I saw this during
the incident in garden grove.
There is an area in our
community -- the neighborhood
was all elderly seniors. And
the neighbors came together,
knew those seniors who live in
those homes by themselves, went
to their homes and helped them
get out of the area. And so
that's what we want to do, is
making sure that we know who our
neighbors are, making sure that
we are able to assist when
needed. Paying attention to
changes in behavior, unexplained
financial problems or even signs
of neglect can help identify
someone who MAY need assistance.
In orange county we are very
fortunate to have dedicated
professional caregivers,
advocates, law enforcement
officers, community
organizations and work every day
to support seniors and
investigate reports abuse. I
appreciate our district attorney
and his office for continuing to
making sure that this is a
priority for the department.
Their work helps ensure that
vulnerable adults have someone
looking out for them when they
need it most. As a community,
we must continue to promote
education, encourage reporting
and provide resources that help
seniors remain safe and
connected and independent. Let
us recommit ourselves to
creating a community where older
adults are valued, protected and
empowered to live their lives
free from abuse and
exploitation. Thank you.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley, good
morning, everyone. I'm katrina
foley representing the fabulous
fifth district. This year's
elder abuse awareness theme is
beyond awareness. It cause us
to pay attention to our most
vulnerable and then act. Don't
just notice, but act. Orange
county is home to more than
690,000 seniors representing 17%
of the total residents here in
orange county, and that number
is just growing and growing. We
know from our master plan for
aging that we are an aging
community. So I say to all of
the young people in the audience
today, please stay here, make
orange county your home. We
need you. Within the county, 1
in 10 older individuals fall
victim to elder abuse annually
. In 2025 the county of orange
social service agency's adult
protective services received
5,244 reports for abuse and
neglect just in district 5. So
that's more than 5,000 older
adults who are being mistreated
in district 5. Nearly -- in
nearly half of these reported
cases, the abuser is a family
member. I personally had a
family member who was being
abused by their stepdaughters,
and it was so bad that when her
husband died, the stepdaughters
kicked the elderly woman out her
home. Now, really important, if
you're an older adult, call the
police. All of our police these
days wear body cams. So it was
because of the body cam that was
preserved long past the
husband's life that this woman
got justice. So, remember of
course, people are here to help
you. If it's you who's being
abused, don't be afraid to call.
If you witness someone being
abused or neglected, if it's
your neighbor, reach out, knock
on their door, because they're
probably too ashaped to ask for
help, but they need it. Also,
as a reminder, our adult
protective services 24-hour
hotline is 1-800-451-5155.
Beyond awareness. Be aware and
then act. Thank you. Probably
too ashamed to ask for
>>speaker: good morning. On
behalf of the county of orange
social services agency's office
on aging and fellow and county
and communities in the service
of elder abuse prevention, thank
you for recognizing world elder
abuse awareness day and for your
continued support ofests to
protect older and dependent
adults in orange county elder
abuse remains a significant
concern in our community. Last
year adult protective services
received more than 22,000
reports involving financial
exploitation, psychological
abuse, caregiver neglect,
physical abuse, isolation and
self-neglect. These situations
threaten the well-being and
safety of those who are often
least able to advocate for
themselves. Our aps social
workers respond to these reports
every day at social service
agency, ensuring the vulnerable
adults receive the support and
intervention they need. Their
work is strengthened by our
office on aging which
administers the long-term care
some budsman and elder abuse
prevention program as well as
key services such as housing,
relocation assistance,
transportation, health and
in-home care and legal and
financial resources. Through
these partnerships we are able
to meet the diverse needs of our
older adults throughout county.
Community awareness also plays a
critical role. The signs of
abuse are not always visible,
and sometimes a simple check-in
with an older neighbor, friend,
or loved one can help reduce
isolation and open the door for
someone to share their concerns.
If you suspect abuse or
neglect, contact our 24-hour aps
hotline at eye hundred-451-5155.
And for those seeking
additional support or services,
the office on aging's
information and assistance call
center is available at
714-480-6450. Thank you for
your recognition today and for
your continued commitment to the
well-being and dignity of older
adults in orange county.
>>chair, doug chaffee: qons
again, I'm doug chaffee, chair
of the board. Today we
recognize JUNE as gun violence
awareness month in orange
county. Every year we join in
communities across the country
to spread awareness about gun
violence and honor those who
lost their lives because of it.
Tragically on an average 130
people in the united states are
killed by guns each days and
over 200 more are shot and
wounded. So each of these
numbers represents a story of
profound loss and devastation.
Their lives lost, families
shattered and communities
scarred by gun violence even
here in orange county. Somewhat
of a response to that, I began a
gun buy-back program in 2022.
And it's sponsored by seven
police departments who joined in
staffing the event. The event
also included giving out what we
call free gun locks. The idea
is not to say you scrbt a
weapon, but if you don't want
one, we have a way of disposing
of it, we give you a gift card
in return. And if you have
other weapons, please keep them
safe. For that reason, we gave
out three gun locks. So they
had a second event in the city
of anaheim that supervisor
sarmiento joined in, and a third
one with the police department
in garden grove, now joined by
supervisor nguyen. All together
we were able to get 1,055
firearms, including 76 assault
weapons often street. So this
type of thing is -- safety is
very important. So we also
started a free gun lock program.
You can go online with my --
and you'll see how to get a free
gun lock if you're an orange
county resident. It's available
to all orange county residents.
And there's also a tutorial on
how to use the gun locks. So
different kinds of weapons need
different ways of inserting them
and using them. So I'd like to
invite deputy health officer
DR. Shiek to the dais to join
us. He has cared for victims of
firearm violence for over two
decades and currently serves as
orange county's interim ems
medical director, deputy health
officer and practicing trauma
and critical care surgeon.
Throughout her career, she has
cared for patients across the
entire continuum from the trauma
bay to the operating courtroom
and ICUs 'recovery victims.
We're guided that the best way
to treat traumatic injury is to
prevent it from happening in the
first place. So her work
focuses on life-saving care and
also injury prevention, firearm
storage and energy prevention.
The gun lock component program
is transitioning to the orange
county health care agency where
we integrate it into a broader
framework of community health
and entry prevention services.
Together we can raise awareness
of inherent barriers of firearm
ownership and promoting
responsible gun safety
practices. So we encourage
every resident of orange county
to have a conversation with
their loved ones, discuss
important topics like gun
violence, gun safety and how to
identify solutions to prevent
gun violence. In JUNE we honor
all those impacted by gun
violence as well, those whose
lives were taken because of it.
Part of the month -- because
hunters wear orange when they're
hunting so they're
distinguishable from other
things in the forest, orange is
the color that we use to honor
the gun violence month. So we
are wearing orange -- at least,
I've got part orange here on my
tie. And with that, I'd like to
invite our other supervisor to
join us.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN.
Katrina foley, county supervisor
representing the fabulous fifth
district. I'd like to at this
time invite my guests from moms
demand action to come and join
us here. Gun violence impacts
us all. I want to thank the
CHAIRMAN For his advocacy and
his work to end gun violence
here in orange county. Today my
team and I wear orange. We wear
orange to honor the survivors of
gun violence, raise awareness
and demand change. No one in
orange county should fear going
to school, a place of worship or
work or attending community
events. According to the orange
county sheriff's department,
there were 135 gun-related
deaths in orange county in 2025.
29 of those were in district 5.
93 of the gun-related deaths
were self-inflicted wounds. 25
in district 5. No dispute
should end in a life stolen. No
bad day should end with gun
violence. At county of orange
we continue our work increasing
prevention tactics, promoting
safe and responsible firearm
practices, the gun lock program
is a strong program here at the
county of orange, and we think
it's working. These locks
protect children. They keep
families safe, and they keep
individuals safe. We appreciate
groups like moms demand action,
who I have been partnering with
since 2019. I looked it up. --
on advocacy for gun safety
legislation while also providing
essential resources for gun
violence victims and their
survivors. I'd like to
introduce oliana andersen from
moms demand action orange county
and -- are you going to say a
few words? Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: sorry. I
forgot to introduce lieutenant
haddad from the brea police
department. When you get a gun
lock package, you also get a
little video featuring the
lieutenant demonstrating how to
insert the gun lock in different
kinds of weapons. So he'll be
one of our speakers, as well.
>>speaker: good morning,
everyone. Thank you, supervisor
chaffee, to the board of
supervisors, for taking a moment
to recognize gun violence
awareness month. As the
speakers before me has said, gun
violence is truly a public
health issue and one that
impacts our community, not just
in one moment, but for a
lifetime. It is for that reason
and as a practicing trauma and
critical care surgeon in my own
two decades of experience of
taking care of gun violence
injury patients as well as their
families in the communities that
support them that it becomes
incredibly imperative that we
begin to recognize, support all
of those individuals, the
families as well as the programs
that are taking care of those
that are injured by gun
violence. As supervisor chaffee
said, one of the lessons that I
have learned as a longstanding
trauma critical care surgeon
deputy health officer and your
ems interim medical director is
the best way to treat trauma is
to actually prevent it from
happening in the first place,
with that, I hope we spend the
month in awareness, education,
and as we move forward
prevention as well. Thank you
>>speaker: my name is lieutenant
haddad with the brea police
department. Thank you for
allowing me the opportunity to
speak today. One of the most
frustrating instances of gun
injuries are accidental
injuries, including children.
So if you do have a firearm and
don't have a safe to lock it in,
especially if you have children
or children that visit, please
use a gun lock. It's a
completely avoidable tragedy.
So thank you.
>>speaker: hello, my name is
elaina andersen, and I'm a
founding member of the orange
county chapter of moms demand
action for gun sense in america
and currently serve as colead
for the california chapter. The
day after the shooting at sandy
hook elementary school schools
and 20 first-graders and six
educators were murdered in
DECEMBER of 2012, shannon watts
started a football group with
the message that all americans
can and should do more to reduce
gun violence. The online
conversation turned into moms
demand action, a non-partisan
grassroots movement of over 11
million supporters of students,
moms, dads, families, concerned
citizens and survivors working
together with our partners in
the gun violence prevention
movement to end this uniquely
american crisis. Our first ever
event in orange county was in
april 2013. I joined because I
was a high school teacher who
always had a lesson plan and an
escape plan for my students.
Additionally, the previous year
there had been a mass shooting
at salon mayor tawj in my seal
beach neighborhood. Luckily my
then 1-year-old daughter and I
hadn't walked past the salon to
the park that day because the
shooter was caught along our
route about a dozen doors from
our house. In the 13 years as a
moms demand action volunteer,
we've learned so much about ways
to prevent gun violence. We
started at the secure storage
program called be smart because
gun secure storage save kids'
lives. I'm shy, and it was
scary, but with guns being the
number one killer of children
and teens nationwide, I decided
I'd rather have an awkward
conversation before my kid went
to someone's house and ask
whether they had guns in their
home rather than a tragic
conversation later if somebody
found a gun and someone were
unintentionally shot and killed
or injured. My suggestion to
you is this conversation. I'd
say, before my daughter comes
over to visit, I want you to
know that your child is invited
to our home, as well. Just to
you know, with very a pool, and
it's fenced. We have a dog, but
she's friendly, and we can put
her in another room if you're
allergic. We don't have any
food allergies and we don't have
any firearms. How about you?
No one has ever got upset about
the question. Most were impress
asked started asking too. If
they ever said yes we have a
gun, I'd ask how it's stored,
and if they say anything other
than it's locked and unloaded
with the ammo locked separately,
I invite them to come to our
house instead. 1/3 of youth
suicides and unintentional
deaths to be prevented by
securing guns. I'm thankful
that the orange county board
supervisors help supply free gun
locks in the community.
Unfortunately, I've met too many
people who have been shot and
survived or had loved ones taken
I go gun violence. Moms demand
action offers the every town
survivor network welcoming
anyone who has personally
experienced gun violence,
whether you have witnessed an
act of gun violence, been
threatened or wounded with a gun
or had someone you know or cared
about wound -- or killed, the
survivor network offers
resources and also opportunities
for survivors to turn their pain
into power by sharing their
stories. I'm proud of the work
that we do with moms demand
action. We support community
violence intervention and
prevention organizations. Those
are the real heroes. Working to
stop gun violence before it
happens and worth the investment
of communities and local, state,
and federal government. We also
have an active students demand
group and mayors against gun
violence. Together we work with
our communities and business
leaders to encourage a culture
of responsible gun ownership
because we know that gun
violence is preventable, and
we're committed to doing what it
takes to keep families safe.
Thank you again to the board of
orange -- the orange county
board of supervisors for
recognize gun violence awareness
month and to vice-chair
supervisor katrina foley and
CHAIRMAN Chaffee for inviting us
to participate and wear orange.
If you're interested in learning
more about moms demand action or
students demand action text word
"ready" or the word "students"
to 64433.
Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have
one more presentation to naik
make. That is the usa 250th
anniversary. And this is a
presentation to be led by
supervisor wagner and nguyen.
And so I'll simply say, as we
lead up to the 250th
anniversary, the signing of the
declaration of independence,
it's important for a lot of us
to recommit ourselves to
upholding the founding
principles in the nation, which
is justice, liberty, and
equality for all. With that,
either of you guys want to
lead?
>>don wagner: good morning. I'm
don wagner from the thriving
third.. And as I'm sure most
of you know, next saturday, the
4th, marks a monumental
occasion, the 250th
anniversary of the founding of
the united states. We're joined
today by joelle len chapman,
come on up, please, director of
concordia university irvine's
center for civics education and
co-chair of usa 250 oc. On that
day, JULY 4th, 1776, 250 years
ago, the 56 delegates to the
second continental congress
signed the declaration of
independence, proclaiming that
the 13 colonies were free and
independent states and were no
longer a part of the british
empire. What many americans MAY
not know is that the declaration
was signed over a year into the
american revolutionary war with
the battle of lexington and
concord and that legendary shot
heard around the world taking
place over a year earlier, APRIL
of 1775. And it took eight
years of bloody conflict.. We
had to do it all over again in
1812. It stuck that time. None
of the founding fathers who ever
have imagined in that iconic
moment, 250 years ago, the
technological, the military, the
medical, the cultural and
industrial global power those 13
colonies bound together as the
united states of america would
become. Through their
conviction, their tenacity and
dedication to establishing a
republic based on the rule of
law, based on the cornerstone
idea that all of us are created
free and equal, these men
ushered into existence the
greatest nation history has
seen. And it is important that
we do events like this 250th
celebration because it is by
doing this, it is by going back
and remembering the principles
upon which this nation was
founded, by teaching our
children those principles, we
can make sure that they long
endure. It is by these sorts of
recollections, reminding our
children why we are special, how
we are special, that we develop
the future generation of
leaders, the future generation
of men and women like those
colonists 250 years ago who
rallied to the flag and fired
that shot heard around the world
and who will continue to stand
for that flag behind us as this
nation continues, in lincoln's
words, to sew endure. If any of
my colleagues have anything to
say, know would be the time.
Supervisor nguyen.
>>janet nguyen: thank you.
Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, for
allowing us to put this on the
agenda and I appreciate my
colleague supervisor wagner for
co-authoring, partnering with me
on this. I'm excited to speak
about this proclamation for
america's 250th birthday. The
federal government established a
semiquince centennial commission
back this 2016. So this has
been in the planning stages for
a while. In 2024 when I was in
the state senate I realized that
california had no commission to
partner with the feds to create
the biggest celebration ever.
So I authored the bill. And
with that -- those bills, with
reable to get detention of the
governor who has formed his --
we were able to get the
attention of the governor who
has formed his own commission
here in california. Now we're
about a week away from america's
birthday. For those of who grew
up in america and learned about
george washington, thomas
jefferson, james madison, ben
franklin and our other great
founding fathers you have a
gift. Millions of people around
the world would love to be
americans. Just look at the
social poses of people visiting
here from other countries during
the world cup. They can't get
enough of america. When I came
here as a child I was late
getting up to speed on our
history, but I read and learned
all that I could. At one point
i knew every U.S. PRESIDENT In
order and even did a perfect
score on my U.S. History exam.
I remember that all these years
later because I love this
country. It was fascinating to
learn about the revolutionary
war and the brave patriots who
fought to free from british
rule. It wasn't obvious they
could win. They were
out-numbered, didn't have any
money, and their army wasn't
highly trained. Many of
washington's soldiers had wags
for shoes and left blood in the
snow as they walked. Against
all odds, they won. This
country is the greatest country
in the world. Only this country
can an immigrant like myself, a
refugee, who fleed communism, is
able to come to this country and
be able to not only stand here
buffer as a county supervisor
the second time, but also to
walk into the capitol of the
state, the largest state of this
nation, to be a state senator.
Only this country would allow
someone like me to have that
opportunity. So freedom and
democracy is in my blood, but
it's because I've been given
that opportunity and many, many
other immigrants have been given
that opportunity. And that's
why celebrating the semiquantity
centennial, the 250th birthday
of america, so exciting, I would
like to thank usa 250oc and all
of their hard-working volunteers
who have been steadily messaging
and holding events to celebrate
america's birthday. In fact,
they would be hosting a free
usa 250 concert on JUNE 30th
at the richard nixon's library.
Concordia university will be
celebrating the 99th birthday
of roger williams, an american
musical legend. City of
huntington beach will be hosting
the largest 4th of JULY parade
west of the mississippi. And so
many other cities around -- I
know also -- want to give a
shout-out here to the mayor from
santa ana, mayor valerie mez gu
ras here, santa ana itself will
also be celebrating. There's so
many celebration across our
counties and it's so exciting to
see all of us coming together to
celebrate the biggest birthday
of america. I hope you can all
dispeanld also join me as I
mentioned in huntington beach
with all of the parades and the
fireworks all across our county.
Thank you.
>>speaker: well, thank all of
you for this honor. Usa 250 oc
is about everybody in orange
county. Not about a group of
people who got together about a
year ago -- and in fact, we were
before this board, talking about
just having created usa 250 oc,
and I think we're proud of one
thing the most. It's that all
five members of the board of
supervisors have come on to this
project as honorary co-chairs.
That's very important to us
because they represent all of
you. When we started this, some
people started saying, what are
you planning for JULY 4th? We
said nothing because that will
take care of itself. It always
does, every city, every
community, every business, every
family a, they always do
something great on JULY 4th.
So we're not planning something
on JULY 4th. Our goal was in
the months leading up to
JULY 4th and the months after
is to encourage people to engage
in our history, in our founding
principles, in other words civic
literacy, and also civility,
where we can stop shouting at
each other and start talking to
each other, and even more
important, listening to each
other and learning from each
other. So that's been our goal
from the beginning, and to
partner with others. We've
partnered with the orange county
business council, arts orange
county, the association of
california cities, orange
county. Orange county forum,
the pacific symphony, concordia
university. We've partnered
with so many organizations to do
one simple thing, say in the
normal covers your business,
whatever you usually do, whether
it's a concert or a panel
discussion or speeches, whatever
you do, make at least one of
your programs during this year
focus on america 250 on this
250th anniversary. And so
many things have happened. It's
just been glorious to
participate in these things with
so many different thoughts and
ideas, and people coming from
different perspectives. One of
the things that we did early on
was to create a website. And I
encourage you to go to it. It's
real simple, usa 250/oc.Com.
There are dozens and dozens and
dozens of resources, a lot of
creative, new material. But
there is so much online already
that people just don't know
about. So I refer you to those
things so that you can learn
more about our history in short
order without having to look it
up for yourself. Also that
website is in five languages,
which makes us, again, very
proud because we try to
represent the great diversity of
orange county. I would also
like to thank the staff of all
five of the supervisor's office.
Whenever I call them, need
something, want to share
something, they're there,
they're very helpful, and the
supervisors should be very proud
of their staff, and you should,
as well. Let me just mention a
couple of things about history.
From the very beginning, usa
250 oc has taken on as our
motto, so to speak, very simple
statement. America is the
perfect idea. The united states
of america is a work in
progress. Because what the
founders gave us in that
declaration of independence, the
world had never seen before. It
wasn't -- it was revolutionary.
It was radical. People just
could not believe that we were
saying everyone is created
equal. We have inalienable
rights, every one of us, and
that government is based on the
consent of the governed. That
was radical. And so as we look
through history, we all think
slavely was ended at end of the
civil war. No, no, no. Slavery
was ended in massachusetts in
1780 right in the middle of the
revolutionary war by a female,
black slave who read the
declaration of independence, she
read the brand-new constitution
of massachusetts, which said all
men are born free and equal, and
she said, then how come I'm not?
She had the audacity, the
bravery to hire an attorney.
They took it to court, and the
jury of all white men found in
her favor, and a year later,
there were a couple other
cases -- got the massachusetts
supreme court, and the supreme
court of massachusetts said
slavery is incompatible with the
constitution of massachusetts;
therefore, slavery in
massachusetts is no longer
valid.
How did that woman get the
courage to do that? But she
did. And there are so many
stories like this through
american history. That's why
when you look at the
abolitionist movement, when you
look at sufficient from a gist
movement, rights for women, when
you look at the civil rights
movement, in the 1960s, every
one of those movements put as
their foundation stone the
declaration of independence.
That's why it's important. And
if you haven't read it, read it.
It'll take you 10 minutes,
probably less than that. And
just look at those paragraphs
about freedom. And I'd like to
close with this, there are so
many great statements about the
declaration, but my favorite
happened to occur 100 years ago
on the 150th anniversary of
the declaration of independence.
We had a PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT
Calvin coolidge, he was known as
silent cal, but when he spoke,
it meant something. And he gave
a speech on JULY 4th of 1926,
and said something that
resonates today. He said 100
years ago, people think that the
declaration is old-fashioned.
We need new ideas, we need
something more modern. Well,
today we say the same thing.
100 years later, well, we need
something more modern that is up
to date to meet our current
challenges, but what he said
after that is still valid today
and will be for eternity. And
I'd like to read it because I
love the way he said it. He
said, if all men are created
equal, that is final. If they
are endowed with inalienable
rights, that is final. If
governments derive their just
powers from the consent of the
governed, that is final.
There's no advance, no progress
can be made beyond these
propositions. If anyone wishes
to deny their truth, the only
direction in which he can
proceed historically is not
forward, but backward, backward
toward the time when there was
no equality, no rights of the
individual, no rule of the
people. Those who wish to
proceed in that direction cannot
lay claim to progress. They are
reactionary. If there is any
failure in respect to any of
these principles, it is because
of the failure on the part of
individuals. That's us -- to
observe them. So, remember,
we're equal. We have
inalienable rights, and
government, including the
government sthiedged me, rest on
our consent. So let's learn
about this, let's talk to each
other. Let's share these
thoughts and work together to
continue to form what the
constitution said, a more
perfect union. And I thank the
supervisors for commemorating
america 250.
>>don wagner: if my history is
right, the continental congress
voted JULY 22nd. John adams
even wrote to his wife. That
will be the day that we all
remember. Jefferson's draft was
not ready JULY 2nd, nor is the
proclamation we were going to
give today. JULY 4th,
jefferson was finally ready.
That's the day we celebrate, and
joelle, I promise a resolution
from all of us is coming, but
like jefferson, it's in the
works.
>>don wagner: if only
jefferson's staff was that good,
we might have celebrated
JULY 22nd
>>chair, doug chaffee: we need
to be good to start our meeting,
whether I happen in about 10
minutes. Thank you all for
being patient and working with
us with these presentations.
DR. Shaikh to the dais to join
>>chair, doug chaffee: good
morning, again. It's my
pleasure to call our meeting
today for the board of
supervisors which technically is
JUNE 23, 2026 to order. The
meeting will begin today with
the invocations offered by
supervisor nguyen and the pledge
of allegiance will follow led by
verse chair foley. If you're
able to stand, please do so.
>>janet nguyen: please bow your
head and join me, dear heavenly
father, thank you for america
and thank you for this year's
semiquinn centennial
celebration, 250 years ago our
nation was formed declaring all
people are created equal with
certain GOD-given light it in
cannot be taken away, among them
life, liberty, and the pursuit
of happiness. We are also
reminded that government gets
its power from the consent of
the governed. Help us in the
governance the budget we passed
today was set forth for the path
for our county for the year
ahead, MAY we be wise with what
we've been given and faithful to
those it serves. In your name
we pray. Amen
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: good
morning. At this point I'd like
to invite celoni, who is a
saddleback college student, who
is pursuing a degree in biology
and aspires to be a vocal
performer and she will lead us
in the national anthem and a
pledge that will follow.
[Singing the national anthem]
[Applause]
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you. As we celebrate america
250 and many of our flag day
presentations across the county,
I ask that you all think about
what does the flag mean to you,
to me it's a symbol of
opportunity, justice, equality
and charity. Please say with
me, I pledge allegiance...
To the flag of the united states
of america, and to the republic
for which it stands. 81 nation,
under GOD, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, supervisor nguyen and
vice-chair foley. There are a
couple of reminders as to the
conduct of the meeting. If I
MAY explain some of those at
this time...
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A lives today's changes to
today's agenda along with the
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are located outside the
boardroom. Parking validation
for the p4 parking lot is
available. Please see the
deputy clerk next to the podium
and you'll get a parking
validation card. Now I'll
proceed to the agenda for this
morning's meeting. This agenda
contains a brief description of
each item to be considered,
except as otherwise provided by
law, such as an emergency. No
action maybe taken in an item
not appearing on today's agenda.
The sagged divided into
sections. All matters on the
consent calendar are approved by
one mowing, a support member, a
member of the public MAY request
separate action on a specific
item. If you wish to address
the board, please complete a
speaker request form and give it
to the clerk next to the podium.
And to ensure smooth conduct at
meetings, speaker request forms
must be received prior to the
calling of the item such as
scent calendar, the reading of
the individual agenda items or
at the beginning of public
comments. Speakers MAY address
the board on up to three
occasions because a large number
of speaker requests we will
limit it to one minute per
speaker today. When you're
called to speak, please step up
to the podium because you state
your name and city of residence
for the record. Please note the
light on the podium. The green
light means you have 1 minute.
The light changes to red when
your time has expired. We ask
that you observe the time limit
so that all who wish to speak
will have an opportunity do so.
Addressing the board, please
address the board as a whole
through the chair. We have some
adjustments to the calendar.
I've tried to go through some of
this very long agenda and group
some items so we can move
expeditiously. We do have some
unusual things happening today.
Before we take up the consent
calendar, which will be our
first item, we received a
special request for
accommodation for public
comments. And county counsel,
would you explain that, too,
please?
>>leon page: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN., so yes, under
the brown act a legislative body
such as the board of supervisors
is required to have in place a
prompt mechanism for resolving
request for accommodations under
the americans with disabilities
act and a member of the public
did identify -- I believe it's
four individuals, who are
seeking an accommodation today.
So it's certainly my
recommendation to the board that
we resolve that matter quickly
and allow those members of the
public to have their 1 minute so
they're not required to wait in
the room all day
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, counsel. After we hear
from those speakers, I'll ask
the clerk to identify any
changes to the agenda and then
any requests to the public to
hear an item on the consent
calendar separately. MADAM
Clerk, will you please call
speakers that requested
accommodation at this time
>>clerk, robin stieler: heidi
zimmerman, michael deal, and be
kevin williams, first three
speakers.
>>speaker: my name is heidi
zimmerman. I'm PRESIDENT Of
omus angel foundation.
Unfortunately, we're currently
in litigation against the county
regarding the inhumane condition
of the shelters. I'm here today
because I'm begging for some
answers for my friends who are
disabled and being exited from
their housing in the next week.
I have got michael deal, who has
a bullet in his head, who's
prone to seizures and strokes
being exited in a week. I also
have kevin williams, who is
legally blind and just suffered
a hip fracture. I also have
michael laster here, too. So
GOD bless you for giving us
special accommodations. I'm
begging you, please give me an
answer besides calling 211 on
what we can do with these folks
who will be exited into the
streets while everyone is
celebrating 4th of JULY, I'm
going to be worried what my
blind friends are going to be
doing in the streets
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. MAY we have the next
speaker, please.
>>speaker: my name is michael
dale. I would like to request
at least an hour of time from
one of y'all board members and
maybe the attorney. I have an
idea for a program that could
actually end homelessness
entirely. This will require the
attorney and board members to
meet with me. Due to my medical
condition, the lighting from
the -- the fluoresce enter
lighting will make me ill, so
I'm trying to make as quickly as
possible. This is a topic
that's been going on for over 10
years, and it's not getting
anywhere. So everything that i
will be talking about in this
meeting is based off of
firsthand experience and from my
own personal research. I
estimate out of a 16-year run I
could save this state $341,280.
If you guys can make the time to
have this meeting with me, I'm
going to have to excuse myself
from the lighting. Please give
that information to MS. Heidi
zimmerman. And I've never
missed a voat boat. I was a
deep sea diver for 17 years
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir
>>speaker: I will be there oh
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir. MAY we have the next
speaker please
>>speaker: yes, sir. Thank you
for your time.
>>speaker: hi, good morning.
Hi, good morning. I'll make
this very, very brief. I am
kevin williams. I am legally
blind and have suffered a hip
fracture, requiring me to use a
walker to get around. And I
thank you so very much for your
time.
>>speaker: please help him he's
being exited on monday with no
accommodations. The shelters
are full. There's a six-month
waiting list. The waiting list
for the house something full.
Please help us
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: last two
speakers are michael laster and
john underwood.
>>speaker: yes. My name is
michael laster, and I was just
informed that because I haven't
rented a place or have bills in
my name, I have no ties to
anywhere in orange county. I am
in a shelter right now because i
had to go to the hospital after
living in my car and having an
infection in my leg. I was able
to get into a shelter where it
takes me three hours, morning,
noon and night, just to get my
regular meds to be able to
function. And they tell us we
should just be grateful for
having a house to live in. But
people are suffering and are
walking away because of how long
it takes us to get our meds.
And it just gets worse and worse
every day, and when we try to
talk, they just ignore us.
Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir.
>>speaker: the illumination
foundation recoup care fullerton
is not giving out the meds
properly
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
anyone else who needs an
accommodation
>>clerk, robin stieler: one
more. John underwood.
>>speaker: ladies and gentlemen
of the board, I'm a journalist
by trade but I am an advocate --
have been an advocate for the
unhoused and forgotten of orange
county since the riverbed
roll-ups of 2018. I'm just here
to attest to the stories and the
facts that have been brought to
you today. I can tell you that
they are just the tip of an
iceberg of individuals in very
similar donees these here who
are being hemorrhaged back to
the streets from what they
thought were accommodated
placements and permanent
supportive housing. Mostly with
supportive services they never
got. And now they're going back
to the street, often even
stripped of their housing choice
vouchers and reduced to the
street without even an option
for them to consider in terms of
placement. This is a travesty
on top of a catastrophe. I hope
you all can pay attention to
this
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir
>>speaker: get out from your
share ands go to the street, and
you will see what we're talking
about
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir. Was that -- does that
conclude our come daiive needs
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes
>>chair, doug chaffee: there's a
comment from supervisor foley
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: if we
had someone from care and
coordination in the audience, if
you could reach out to speak
with MS. Zimmerman and the
individuals who have housing
concerns or if there's someone
from health care agency, if
somebody could talk with them
today while they're here, that'd
be great
>>chair, doug chaffee: MADAM
Ceo. Before MADAM Clerk --
mirkz if I MAY?
>>v. Chair, mitch mashburn: if
I MAY. I'm already in contact
with doug becht as it relates to
our speakers here. He's also
aware. He heard the comments
and will be reaching out. So
thank you.. There are two more
items before we come back to
MADAM Clerk with the changes to
the agenda. Supervisor wagner
>>don wagner: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. I do want to take
a moment to recognize some of
the hard-working members from
our public works department who
recently received praise from
the local community in yorba
lynda for their work
beautification project in a
small pocket within the city.
Members of the community reached
out to my office for the
responsiveness, the
professionalism and care
dedicated to this project and
requested that our public works
professionals be publically
recognized for their hard work,
something the ceo and I are
absolutely happy to do. I'd
like to acknowledge the
following public works
professionals and extend the
gratitude of the community for
their hard work on cleaning up
the area. And if you're here,
stand up as I call your name.
From our maintenance inspection
team, we have eddie perez,
carlos serrano, alejandro
villegas, maurice ortise and
chris ruiz. From the equipment
operation's team, joe barboa,
richard taylor, steve rochoa,
edward molina, jose higareda,
esteban zamora, omar, pedro
guerrero, isidore cortez,
brandon morgan and eric
bozinski. Gentlemen, thank you
so much on behalf of the yorba
lynda community --
[Applause]
>>don wagner: all right. Yeah.
On behalf of the yorba lynda
community that I am privileged
to represent, and I take the
liberty of speaking for the
entire board, we thank you for
your professionalism, your
dedication to preserving the
quality of life for our
residents in orange county, and
I think -- she's back there with
you. I think the ceo wanted to
say something. Thank you, all,
gentlemen. It's greatly,
greatly appreciated.
>>michelle aguirre: I was just
telling the gentlemen that I
know how hard they work every
day and for the most part it
goes unnoticed. And so I just
greatly appreciate the
acknowledgment by members of the
community from our staff because
we don't get to hear it every
often but it's all day every day
that they're doing great work.
So thank you. Thank you,
gentlemen
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, supervisor wagner, for
calling our attention to the
great work that's being done.
Now we have one more thing and
vice-chair, I think you're the
lead conspirator on this. Would
you lead off
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. At this time
we would like to take a moment
to recognize the service of our
ceo, michelle aguirre, and her
37 years with the county of
orange. And I think each of us
have some comments, but thank
you.
[Applause]
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
think it's appropriate that you
go out on a day where we have
more than 125 items on our
agenda. And so as a recognition
and just a -- you know, a
thanks, we all got together, we
got you this lovely vase and 37
flowers to brighten your day,
recognizing your 37 years. And
I'll just take a moment to share
how I have really enjoyed
working with you, how I have
valued your insight, your
mentorship, your knowledge, your
institutional knowledge of the
organization sun matched, and we
are going to be at a big loss
without it. And for those of
who might not know, today is ceo
aguirre's last board meeting.
She will be retiring this week.
And she started her career here,
which I just love, as a
assistant, a secretary in an
office, while going to college.
And she was going to be a
psychologist, a clinical
psychologist. Well, I think
those clinical psychology
courses are helping throughout
the 37 years. And you often
are, you know, the therapist,
the advisor for all of your team
and for all of us, and your
positive outlook, your "can do"
spirit helps everyone get to
where they need to get.
Sometimes it's harder than
others. Sometimes we like your
advice, other times we don't.
But at end of the day, I know
that your motivation is always
about the good of the public and
good governance. So thank you,
michelle aguirre, for serving
orange county and leaving a last
legacy here at orange county.
The projects that you have
contributed to are long term and
will stand the test of time. So
we really appreciate your work.
I know you're looking forward to
lots of time with the
grandchildren, traveling,
spending time with your husband,
who is already retired. And so
we wish you all the best. We've
got a day to get through, but we
know that your heart is here,
but your heart will be with your
home and your family from here
on out, so thank you so much for
everything.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor wagner?
>>don wagner: thank you. I will
echo a lot of that, and I will
say, obviously, you know, you've
been here 37 years. Me not
quite so long. None of us quite
so long. So you were here when
I got here, and it's very true
that quite quickly I was able to
realize that in you we had is
someone who knew the depths of
this county, knew it inside and
outside, not just the dollars
and cents. Though, that was
your primary responsibility, but
knew the way this county worked,
knew the people here, and
recognized and helped teach me
that it is not just a talking
point when we say the county
family, that really there are
genuine friendships here,
opportunities for all of us to
work together, to make each
other better. And at top of
that and leading that has been
you from my day one, which was
your day, like, what, 28 or
so -- years. So that was
certainly in the back of my mind
when I and my colleagues tapped
you to step into the role that
you've got now. You were
looking into retirement, I know
that. And you really took one
for the team. You came in at an
uncertain time. You came in
when searches throughout had not
turned up the ideal candidate,
and in part, we recognized, I
think -- supervisor foley and I
served on the ad hoc and I think
we recognized that the perfect
candidate was you. Don't think
we can get to you stay any
longer? No. All right. So you
stepped in. You've done a great
job. Those clinical skills
really help in the management of
the five of us. I recognize we
are probably not a very easy
board. Truth is, I think you
have maybe tiny feet, but big
shoes and whoever will come
along next, I'm not going to ask
that you walk in your heels but
I am going to say that you have
set a path that is admirable as
one that your successor would be
well advised to follow and that
has generated enormous respect
from me, and I think, from the
entire community out there.
Thank you. Not just for 37
years, but, oh, my gosh, you've
been a GOD send to this board
for the last several years, and
we thank you for it.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
chair. So, michelle a lot of
what I wanted to say has already
been said. But our time has
been brief. I know I came on
when you were still cfo, and,
you know, we didn't -- we didn't
know that you'd be serving in
this role. So as was said, one
of the things I really want to
thank you for is your
willingness to step in at a
really difficult moment. And
I'm sure over these 37 years,
once you're away from us, you're
going to be reflecting on so
many incredible milestones that
you oversaw in this county.
Being here during the pandemic,
being here during some really
difficult times recently when
we've had some charges against
the county that you helped us
cure and do some course
correction on that. So I want
to thank you on behalf of all
the residents here in orange
county that we knew, had trust
and faith and confidence in your
ability to help lead, you know,
this county and help lead this
board. You know, we know that,
as was said, each one of us has
different styles, has different
priorities, but I think you were
able to navigate these really
well because you just had a
great, you know, foothold and
understanding on the numbers.
But I think beyond your skill
set with respect to being
financial officer here at the
county, I think one of the
things I admire the most is that
you've always cared for the
least among us. And for those
who have had their lives
derailed in one way or another,
whether it's illness, health,
whether it's a bad decision, I
think you've dedicated yourself
to make sure that there is a
legacy of work that you are
going to be leading. So for
that, you know, many of my
residents unfortunately, you
know, deal with those issues. I
want to thank you on their
behalf because they had a true
genuine advocate in you, and
your work is going to stand and
be a legacy to what it is to be
somebody who's an executive
here. And so I just want to
thank you for that. I also want
to say, you know, thank you for
staying longer. I know this be
wasn't the moment that you
wanted to leave. You wanted to
leave last year because your
husband -- you and your husband
had plans, and you took a very
difficult decision and, please,
thank him on our behalf, you
know, for the delay for him
being considerate and giving you
that grace to be with us as we,
you know, navigated, you know,
difficult decisions, as we
continue to search for somebody
who's going to, you know, fill
that seat and continue in
this -- in leading this evolving
county. So I know that you've
seen a lot in 37 years, reflect
on it once you, you know, take a
moment. It's been a meaningful
life, professional life that
you've led here. This -- orange
county is a special place. And
for the county to have entrusted
so much of it in your hands and
you took care of it, and I know
you'll always have a special
place in your heart for these
years, this is your life's work.
So thank you on behalf of
everybody who MAY not be able to
say thank you to you in person.
We want to appreciate you. We
want to live vicariously through
you once you leave. Send us
photographs so we can see what
it's like to be on the other
side. But on behalf of all of
us, we want to thank you for
showing, you know, patience,
being firm with us when we know
we didn't want to hear a certain
response but that's our
democracy. It's the tension
that was built into these
governments. So we appreciate
you. Don't go far. Come back
and visit us.
You know, now you can employ
some of the therapy on us as a
professional. But we appreciate
you. Thank you, michelle, for
everything that you've done for
us.
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. I'm excited for
you, and, you know, it's -- this
recognition is especially
meaningful for me for you
because we've known each other a
decade ago. You started when I
was first here. We were
itsy-bitsy little kids trying to
learn the county. You've been
there longer than I was. But
you had so much patience. You
were so helpful to my staff when
we first got here, the first
time in 2007. We appreciate
you. You were firm pickup
taught us, you helped us, and
when I came back and saw that
you are the interim ceo, I was
so excited because not only all
of those quiets, but are you
intelligent. You've got the
courage. You had the respect of
the department and the county
employees, and those are the
qualities that don't come
easily. And so it wasn't a
surprise to see you go from, you
know, being in the budget as an
analyst to, you know, we had a
different path in that decade.
You went all the way up to the
top at county. I went to
sacramento and came back. And
since we've been back, thank
you, because you -- and you your
staff has been very helpful to
our office. Has helped us
navigate not only to my office,
but also the board, the
individual offices and to the
county. We were here when the
recession hit. We did the
strategic plan together and we
knew why we needed that
strategic plan. It's not the
same priority it is today, but
we set it in motion for what we
were able to do. This building
was because of those strategic
plans and those thinking-forward
ideas, you know, that the budget
team and the board at the time
brought together. But that is
because of the leadership of the
budget team, and you were part
of that. And so thank you for
all that you do. I know this is
an exciting time for you. Also
appreciate the fact that you
stayed behind one more year to
help us navigate another -- we
need stop this recession and
this budget shortfall, you know.
But everything that you are we
appreciate, and so on behalf of
not only the board and
county...
The -- for your retirement,
don't forget us. You say that
right now, and I see the
department directors who have
left. But you will truly enjoy
it because serving the board is
very challenging. We're all
unique and different. We have
different interests in our
district. We have different
personalities. But you've been
able to make the ship steady,
and you said no to us pickup
said gentlemen to us, and you
said no to us. But it's so much
appreciated because you've never
not given us an explanation and
to do the thinking of looking
ahead and forward. And so,
again, thank you from the bottom
of my heart. Thank you for
everything that you do for the
county and for the 3.2 million
people of this county.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, supervisor. You guys
didn't leave much for me to say.
I would note that we've been
searching for a future ceo for
quite a while. I think the
problem we keep running into,
nobody that we've introduced or
even looked at is even close to
the ceo that we have. So you
are in our minds as to where we
might go for the future. That's
great. You know, I admire your
tenacity, you actually say no to
supervisor requests. And that's
the strength not everybody has.
And I like the way you've
actually taught us so much about
the county. And that's helped
all of us grow and to become
better stewards of the county
because of your example. And,
you know, you maybe going -- I
tried to convince to you do six
more months because that's when
my term ends. But you said no.
And I think you are ready to go
somewhere with your suitcase
packed, I think. But I have to
remember all you've taught me.
It's been a lot. There's so
many things about the county you
only learn by being here quite a
while. And our tenures here are
too short to learn all, that but
you've helped us learn into what
we need to be. And if anything,
I admire, it's the heart have
you. You have a heart which you
care, you care about the county,
you care about the people, and
you care about us. That's
pretty cool. So I just wish you
well. I've got your phone
number, so if you need help with
anything and vice-versa, we're
not the end of the contact we
might have. And so with that,
I'd like all of us to join out
here for a picture and we have a
plaque to present.
>>chair, doug chaffee: MADAM
Clerk, would you help us with
any changes to the calendar? I
would note I have a somewhat
different list. I've tried
consolidate some things and put,
for example, our budget up
first, so...
>>clerk, robin stieler: item 2
has been deleted and 19 and 20
have been continued to
AUGUST 11, 2026 at 9:30 A.M.
And the public has requested to
pull from the consent calendar
item 1.
>>chair, doug chaffee: now we're
at our consent calendar.
>>leon page: I have a few
housekeeping items before we get
going. Item no. 78, that
relates to the selection of a
contractor for tree care
maintenance services. With
respect to that item, supervisor
wagner received a campaign
contribution or his campaign
received a contribution from
patrick mahoney, who is the
PRESIDENT Of west coast
arborist, one of the bidders in
that procurement. So supervisor
wagner will be recusing himself
from item 78. Likewise on item
79, supervisor wagner's received
a campaign contribution from rj
noble, so he'll be recusing
himself to item 79 and with
respect to 94z, in DECEMBER of
2025 supervisor foley's campaign
received a campaign contribution
from bob olsen of dana point
harbor partner and I've been
informed that the supervisor has
returned that contribution and
so she MAY participate in the
discussion on item 94z. Thank
you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, counsel.
>>clerk, robin stieler: the
public has GOD pull item 1 from
the consent calendar
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Colleagues anything that you'd
like to pull from the consent
calendar? Seeing none, there
are several that I believe were
continued, so...
Okay. With the remaining ones
it's been moved and second. Any
objection? Seeing none, the
other items are approved. We
need to go to item 1, then.
Call the speaker.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 1. Under
chair chaffee-orange county
behavioral health advisory
board, appoint virginia arvizu,
stanton and reappoint stephen
mcnally, costa mesa and michell
fernandez, laguna niguel, for
terms ending 3/9/29.
And we have one request to
speak. Deborah donovan.
>>speaker: thank you. It's
deborah donothan. I am making
comment on the health advisory
board appointments. As these
appointments are approved, I ask
the board to ensure this
advisory body is not just
reviewing programs on paper but
asking whether orange county's
behavioral health system is
truly supporting people in the
community. The public needs
transparency on whether fund
something going toward
prevention, voluntary services,
family support and disability
rights or whether vulnerable
residents are being rooted into
crisis systems such as care
court, probate mental health
court, conservatorship and
restrictive placements.
Behavioral health oversight
should include ada and olmsted
compliance, public outcome
measures and the voices of
families and disabled residents
directly impacted by these
systems. Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further," MR. Chair
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. This is item 1. I'm
going to move it. This is
appointment to people to the
orange county behavioral health
advisory board
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection? Seeing none, the
item is approved. I want to go
next totem 94w, which is our
budget.
s94w. County executive office-
adopt fy 2026-27 final budget
resolution; approve various
internal service fund billing
rates; approve fy 2026-27
employee and employer retirement
contribution rates; direct human
resource services to adjust
position counts to reconcile
straw vote; establish
district attorney special
appropriations and vehicle theft
task force special funds;
establish sheriff special
appropriations fund and regional
narcotics suppression program;
adopt resolutions authorizing
temporary transfers of funds;
direct auditor-controller to
make related payments and
reimbursements; approve fy
2026-27 county master events
calendar and fy 2026-27
charitable organization
activities plan and make related
findings under government
code section 26227; adopt
resolution approving sponsorship
marketing plan and making
related findings; adopt
resolution approving united way
of orange county to conduct fy
2026-27 charitable campaign and
making related findings; receive
and file fy 2026-27 annual list
of county ad hoc committees;
approve revised county
organizational change
administrative procedure and
authorize county executive
office to make changes under
certain conditions; approve
revised classification
specifications, title
descriptions and set pay grades,
effective 6/26/26; approve and
adopt side letter agreements
with orange county employees
association community services
unit and supervisory management
unit; adopt revisions to
personnel & salary resolution,
effective 6/26/26; adopt
retirement assistance program
and policy, a voluntary
incentive program, and authorize
county executive officer or
designee to enter into
agreement as necessary,
authorize chief human resource
officer or designee to
administer retiree medical
program and health reimbursement
arrangement plan, make
amendments as necessary and
return to the board of
supervisors for approval; adopt
part-time plus program, a
voluntary program, and authorize
county executive officer or
designee to implement and
administer program
. And MR. Chair, we have
received 16 requests to speak on
s94w.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Please call the
speakers
>>clerk, robin stieler: I will
call three names at a time.
Please line up in the center of
the room behind the podium when
your name is called. Cassandra
perez. District attorney todd
spitzer and jennifer roberson.
>>speaker: hello, is a andra
perez, district director for
congressman lou corriea, I'm
writing in regards to item
no. S94w budget resolution. The
item concerns $5 million in
federal funding I secured
through the fiscal year 2022
committee project funding
process for the county's
coordinated re-entry center.
I'd like to restate my
insistence for my letter earlier
this month where the county
works with the city of santa ana
before proceeding with the
project. Back in 2021 when the
project was submitted to my
office, the county had not
decided on a project location.
Clearly given the delicate
nature of the re-entry project
it is the duty of the county to
obtain buy and from impacted
city and community members.
This due diligence was not
conducted prior to the project
submission to my office but I
request you to obtain this
immediately by conducting
thorough outreach with impacted
community members before moving
forward to the community
consensus
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. Ma'am. Time is up. We
have your letter. Thank you.
>>speaker: MR. CHAIRMAN, members
of the board. Good morning.
Michelle, congratulations on
behalf of the nearly 1,000
employees in the district
attorney's office. We
appreciate your service. One of
the things I want to say about a
37-year ploy employee and
somebody who's been serving this
county for 37 and a half years
as an elected official is that,
as michelle knows and I know, we
give our service, but things
move on, and there has to be
other people who take up the
mantel. So I really am thankful
for her service, but I also know
that we have to leave a county
behind in this budget process,
and what is most important is
not MS. Aguirre or todd spitzer.
It's our employees. And our
employees rely on a budget
process that builds credibility
and moral and that people know
we're taking care of them. This
budget process wasn't even
agendized. It was put on as a
supplemental, almost as an
after-thought. The most
important vote that a board of
supervisors has is your budget.
I would ask you to go -- wow
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, if
you can be quick...
>>speaker: I'd ask to you go
back to the prior process that
we used when I was a supervisor
for 12 years serving with
supervisor nguyen, allow us to
have the net county cost budget,
have the ceo recommendation, let
us have our augmentation
requests, and let's have a
robust discussion in public
about our budget. You went into
closed session. You came out.
There was an opening statement.
You didn't even go through each
program --
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you
>>speaker: to discuss the
budget. Please change this
budget process
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: the next
three individuals, please come
forward, arissa palmer, cindy
young and charles barfield.
>>speaker: good morning. First
I want to thank you all for
having meetings with breast-feed
L.A. Our first five oc team and
the naacp oc, my name is
jennifer roberson. I won't
belabor the reasons why orange
county health care agency
decided not to accept
continuation funding. I just
want to update you that
breast-feed L.A. Has met with
orange county health care agency
along with our first five
partners and the naacp, and they
have committed -- our leadership
have committed to going hard
ahead and accepting that funding
from the state. I now put the
next ball in your court and ask
that our board of supervisors
commit to asking for oversight.
They require orange county
health care agency to submit a
formal request to the cdph to
accept that continuation fund
nothing later than JUNE 25th
and require ochca to present a
formal request plan for
continuation funding at the next
board of supervisors meeting.
Thank you for all of your
continued support of black
families in orange county
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am. MAY we have the
next speaker please? Of
>>speaker: good morning. My
name is arissa palmer, the
executive director for
breast-feed L.A., the
organization selected to
administer orange county's first
ever black infant health
program. Today we respectfully
ask the board to take immediate
action to preserve this vital
program. Firstly we ask to you
direct orange county health care
agency to formally request
continuation funding for cdph no
later than JUNE 25th with all
subcontractors included on that
email for transparency and to
accept fund thatting within one
week of approval. Finally we
ask to you support a sole source
agreement with first five orange
county, so services can continue
for families without disruption
while a long-term solution is
established. The question
before us is not whether
disparities exist. The data is
clear that it does. The
question is whether orange
county will continue investing
in a be proven solution that
directly supports mothers,
babies, and families. We urge
to you act swiftly so that the
progress we have made is not
lost and that black families in
orange county know their health
and well-being will remain a
priority. Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am.
>>speaker: good morning,
supervisors. My name is cindy
young, and I serve as director
of strategic partnerships for
breast-feed L.A. Over the past
several months community
members, partners and
stakeholders have heard varying
explanations regarding the cost
and sustainability of the black
infant health program yet to
date we have not received a
complete accounting of how
program funds were actually
spent. We respectfully request
full transparency from the
orange county health care
agency. Specifically we ask for
a detailed accounting of all
funds allocated and expended for
black infant health, not just
projected costs. This should
include any expenditures covered
through health realignment funds
and a clear breakdown of how
public dollars were utilized.
This information should be
provided to each member of this
board, first five orange county,
and breast-feed L.A. We also
ask that orange county health
care agency commit to
understanding and fully
utilizing available funding
opportunities including the pair
natal equity initiative. Orange
county should not leave state
resources on the table when
those funds exist to
specifically address maternal
and infant health inequities.
We urge the county to pursue
these opportunities in a timely
and strategic matter
>>clerk, robin stieler: and the
next three speakers, please come
forward, tanya livingston,
molina gibson and jasmine alan
>>speaker: good morning, charles
barfield, oca's general manager.
I was going to riddle you for 2
minutes on vacancies, deletions
and workload, but since I only
have 1 minute, let me get right
to it. Buried in this final
budget resolution are two
cost-saving measures. One aimed
at retirement and another one
aimed at part-time plus. There
is no way ocea can sign off on
this in its current form. I've
been told that there are 2000
county workers there are
eligible for this, and with the
proceed violations that call for
automatic and permanent
deletions, it's a non-starter
for us. My last comment is not
addressed to this board, but
rather to 12 employees in the
D.A., dna collection unit and
their families. For the last
couple weeks, you know, we've
struggled to get answers from
the county on certain aspects
of -- or promises that have been
made. Finally, last night at
8:00 the county put their
commitment in writing. And I'm
speaking to the 12 employees and
their families. Yes, it took
longer, it should not have taken
this long, and, you shouldn't
have been placed in such
uncertainty. But we got there,
and we got there together.
Thank you for your time.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: hello. My name is
tanaya livingston and a
participant of bih orange
county. I'm a black mother who
has been directly affected by
race. And I discrimination by
the medical system that has not
been designed in the favor of
mothers who look like myself.
Black mothers depend on bih to
be able to gain resources and
support where the system failed
us. There is no community nor
support that directly identifys
and intentionally supports the
indifferences that black mothers
experience with prenatal and
postpartum complications. It is
vital for the community and for
the future of african-americans
to have this support. Thank
you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: hello. My name is
molina gibson, I'm a
credentialed former elementary
teacher, a board certified
behavioral analyst and a
birthing doula. I work with
infants all the way to adults.
A lot this work is in the
disability realm. Since I
started birth work it has been
made clear that preconception
birth and postpartum experiences
can play a fundamental role in
the infants' overall growth and
development. To kind of tie
this all back in, as you heard,
black women in the united states
face maternal mortality rates
nearly three times higher than
their counterparts, a disparity
that urgent action. I'm calling
on the supervisor to mandate
that ochca, first five, and oc
and breast-feed L.A. To identify
and commit to a sustainable path
forward for black infant health
in orange county. Thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: karen
costin, leah burk quest and
chandra caldwell.
>>speaker: hello, in one year
since our program's inception we
have served over 70 mom ands
their families, been designated
as a model program by the cdph
and established relationships
between the county based and
community based program alike.
The bih supports various county
and statewide he public health
initiatives, promoting safe
sleep mark term mental health,
child passenger safety and asus
prevention. However, we are
only a pilot program serving 2%
of the population. The black
community is twice as large as
the entire ousd k-12 population,
yet programming is always under
contention. I'm asking you to
take the lives of black mothers
and babies as seriously as you
do the education for all of your
children in orange county. We
are calling for the same fiscal
transparency that you expect of
your constituents. Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: my name is karen
costin from black infant health
kern county. Every baby
deserves an equal chance and
healthy stock market yet black
infants continue to experience
higher rates of infant mortality
and poor health outcomes in
every group. They are related
to differences and access to
quality health care mark term
support, safehousing and other
resources that help families
thrive. Investing in black
infant health benefits our
entire community. While mothers
receive culturally responsive
prenatal and postpartum care,
mental health support and access
to trusted community-based
services, babies are more likely
to be born healthy and reach
their full potential. I
encourage the board to continue
supporting this program that
reduces disparities and
prioritizing black infant
health. We are investing in
healthier families, stronger
communities and a brighter
future for orange county. Thank
you for your time and
commitment
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: good morning, my name
is chandra. I'm asking for
truth and transparency. Imagine
being born african-american and
we all know the history of
america. African-americans run
fortunately still feeling the
side effects of slavery. The
black infant mortality rate is
really high in orange county.
Black infant health was here to
combat that. That being said,
as you imagine being
african-american, how would you
handle racism? How would you
handle discrimination? How
would you handle a system built
against you in having a safe
place as a mother being taken
away due to lies and
discriminatory action? We're
asking for transparency with the
budget, liberty, and justice for
all. And african-americans are
included in that "all" because
we're all created under the
equal, in GOD's eyes
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: keisha
harris, amonte randolph and
deborah donothan.
>>speaker: good morning, my name
is leah bjurquist, a certified
child birth educator and
certified doula and I serve on
the board of directors for
breast-feed L.A. The maternal
mortality rate for black mothers
are expedientially higher than
their white counterparts. I
have been witness to the
inequities and we are
respectfully asking that you
stand with black families and
demand that ochca immediately
pursue continuation funding and
work with first five oc and
breast-feed L.A. To ensure black
infant health remains in orange
county. I'm asking you to
establish a pathway for
implementation, award a sole
source contract to first five oc
so breast-feed L.A. Can continue
operating black infant health in
oc without interruption. Thank
you.
>>speaker: good morning, my name
is keisha harris, and I am a
mental health professional with
black infant health orange
county. I'm here today to ask
for your support in keeping
black infant health in orange
county. This program provides
critical support to black
mothers, babies and families
helping address the disparities
that continue to impact black
maternal and infant health.
We're asking the board to direct
ochca to immediately secure
continuation funding present --
a clear plan to keep the program
operating and work with first
five oc and breast-feed L.A. To
ensure there's no interruption
in services. We also ask for
transparency about how fund has
been used and a commitment to
pursuing future funding
opportunities. As someone who
works directly with participates
and growing up in orange county,
I see the impact this program
has every day. The families we
serve rely on these services,
relationships and resources.
They should not have to worry
about having -- about losing a
program that is helping them
thrive. I urge you to take
action today to ensure black
infant health remains available
to the families in orange
county
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am.
>>speaker: my name is imani
randolph, a youngish ph.D.
Student at uc irvine, who has
grown to love the uniqueness of
orange county. As I look toward
graduation, knowing I've done
everything that has been asked
of myself in my generation
including going to 62, giving
back to my community, looking
forward to getting a good job
and hopefully being able to
start a family, I'm faced with
the reality that I'm more than
three times likely to die
pursuing those goals as my
counter-arts and if I survive my
child will be two part-times
times as likely to die in
infancy. This is not only my
reality but the reality of over
50,000 families here in orange
county. Knowing this, I was
encouraged by knowing that black
infant health was a sustainable
effort to support those
families. However, now they
face lack of funding, and I am
asking that you all seek to
encourage and support a
collaborative solution that
directs ochca, first five, and
breast-feed L.A. To identify and
execute a sustainable path to
keep black infant healthy in
orange county
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: good morning. My
name is deborah donothan.
Before approving the budget, I
asked the board to make clear
how much fund something going
into behavioral health, court
connected services, care court,
conservatorship-related systems,
crisis response placements and
prevention. The public deserves
outcome measures to ensure the
people are being stabilized in
the community or pushed deeper
into courts, institutions,
conservatorships or restrictive
placements, county funding
should protect families,
disability rights, prevention
and community-based care, not
quietly expand systems that lead
to loss of rights. Thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further speakers, MR. Chair
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, MADAM Clerk. Board
members, do we have any staff
presentations you'd like to hear
from? I don't see any. Okay.
Supervisor sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
MR. Chair. I'm simply going to
go ahead and make my comments
that we -- that I partially made
at previous straw vote meeting
at the last time -- last time we
heard the budget item. I want
to reiterate on recommended
action number 1, program 1, I
will be a "no" vote based upon
the arguments made then. I also
want to ask our ceo, I know
we've received many comments
regarding a potential
coordinated re-entry center in
the city of santa ana, which is
different from our workforce
re-entry in the city of orange.
So I want to clarify, MADAM Ceo,
does this budget that we're
deliberating and potentially
adopting today include the
re-entry project on hesperian
and the city of santa ana?
>>michelle aguirre: the budget
adoption today for fiscal year
'26/'27 does not approve the
project. It does not commit the
county to moving forward with
that project, supervisor
sarmiento great, thank you. I
just wanted to make sure we have
that on the record as we
we have
some members of the public and
members of the city council from
santa ana that wanted to make
comment on that. So thank you
for clarifying. I also wanted
to make comeant on item -- on
recommended action 29. So I did
hear MR. Barfield come before us
and explain that potentially
2000 employees could qualify for
the requirement assistance
program and the way that the
policy is currently written,
every position that someone
retires out of could be
considered for deletion. I
thank you for sending a memo to
us right now with some
additional language. But we
know if this -- if this is
exercised we could have a huge
impact on our workforce if
everybody took us up on that.
Before we delete any positions,
I know that the amend red line
version is that it would be at
discretion and purview of the
county -- what I would like to
add for the board's
consideration is to ask that
staff bring the vacancy list
back to the board for
consideration. That way we can
have another -- maybe five pair
of eyes look at, this but I do
think that this is something
that -- with respect to
workforce impacts here, is
important for us to also be able
to comment and remark on that.
So I just wanted to make those
comments, MR. Chair, for the
record and we'll hand that back
to you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. I might weigh in because
we do have some additional
language presented by staff. My
suggestion would be a little bit
different, that would be to
simply eliminate section 4a.
Not deal with eliminating
employees. Rather if there's to
be an elimination, we have
quarterly updates and staff
could come forward on a
quarterly basis and indicate if
some positions would need it be
or consider for vacating
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
&
second that
>>chair, doug chaffee: just
eliminate that, leave it open.
Because we do come back
quarterly for revisions and then
this board could consider
whether it be appropriate. That
would be my having us
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.
I support that request. Also, I
had some questions about the
issue that we discussed here
about the re-entry center. So
help me understand, because the
budget -- a straw vote budget
that we adopted we discussed the
fact that there was $21 million
within that budget for the cip
to pay for phase 1 of that
project. And then we sort of
paused that before we could get
here today. But what has
changed in the budget to remove
that $21 million from that cip
budgeted item
>>michelle aguirre: supervisor,
to clarify, so the budget -- we
budget appropriations within our
capital project budget. But
that does not provide any
authority authorization to move
forward related to the project
itself. The board has to
approve that separately. And
the board has not considered
that item yet. That would be in
the future. So the budget is
just -- I would say just the
budget, right. It's just the
capital project budget that is
being adopted. It's just the
appropriations. It's not the
project itself that is being
considered today.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
So my concern is that -- and I
raised this at the last meeting.
We are right now trying to
basically find money in the
budget because we have needs.
We don't want to have any
layoffs or terminations, and so
we have squirreled away -- it's
$61 million for the phase 1 and
phase 2 for this project. And I
had asked previously -- I don't
think I got that information --
what percentage -- what portion
of the 61 million is walled off
funds that can't be used for any
other purpose other than that
type of purpose versus what
portion of the 61 million is
what we might call general fund
discretionary dollars. And so
I'm just concerned that we have
this vague position that it's
not in the budget, but we still
have $61 million sitting in a
bank account itemized for this
particular project. So if that
project is not moving forward,
then why are we keeping $61
million in a bank account for
this project? When we have so
many other needs?
>>michelle aguirre: supervisor,
I would defer to kim for the
specifics of the total amount.
However, for particular/27, the
monies mentioned previously are
(Ab) 109-related fundings. That
money is one-time growth money.
It's not an ongoing funding
source, so we would not use that
for ongoing costs. And it is
also restricted to -- I guess,
whatever the community
corrections partnership
determines the use should be.
So the ccp has to approve use of
those monies, and then that
comes to the board. But the
board does not have the
authority to reallocate those
monies per statute. And I don't
know on the remaining portion if
there's any different funding
source. Kim oana, I would defer
to you related to that, or if
that's not even part of your
26/27 budget
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
because that's why I asked for
the breakdown, because doing it
up here on the dais, it does get
complicated. And (Ab) 109
funding we use for a variety of
things. We pay for staff with
(Ab) 109 funding. We pay for
the realignment money. We pay
for things with
>>michelle aguirre: yeah. With
the (Ab) 109 monies, there's an
ongoing funding source but
there's also a growth component.
So the growth component is
one-time moneys that we use for
one-time costs. So that's the
difference, supervisor. But you
are correct, there is an ongoing
(Ab) 109-related funding source,
and that allocation of funding
goes to the departments to cover
ongoing costs. But not this
component of (Ab) 109
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
understood. But as has been
explained to us multiple times
is that we have a bit of a
budget hit this year and next
year because of a lot of the
changes that have been made at
the federal government cutting
our funding, that flows to the
state. The state then cutting
our funding, and so we're trying
to correct for those budget
losses. Then the budget smooths
out, as we get into the later
years. And then we have the
situation as it relates to the
retirement plan being fully
funded as we get into 2030, 31,
32, and that's $229 million
coming into the county coffers
that we don't have right now
because we sent that money over
to ocers. Annually
. So I'm just trying to figure
out, I know you're calling it
bun-time fund ising so we --
within-time funding so we can't
use it for staffing but we have
a one-time need right now
because we're in a current
budget difficulty. So how are
we allocating the funding that's
in that line item for that
project that it appears we are
not moving forward on? It's $61
million. I got the number, $61
million, from the response that
was written for the board
related to the harvey roe's memo
that the labor unions gave to
us. That's where it says it's
$61 million. There's a
sentence -- there's a graph in
there.
>>chair, doug chaffee: do we
have a further response from
staff that helped put this
together? Okay. Go ahead.
>>speaker: yeah, so the crc
project is $21 million in the
budget, but also we borrowed $42
million to fund the airport fire
that we need to pay back.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: hold
on. I'm going to stop you right
there. Sorry to interrupt, but
in the document that was given
to the board related to
responding to ocea because they
were saying, how come all this
money is in this reserve
account, right? What was
provided to us was an analysis
of how much money is in each of
the reserve accounts and what
the projects were that it was
funding. I understand that only
$21 million is earmarked for
this year in the budget. That's
not what I'm saying. I'm saying
it's a total of $61 million.
That is for phase 1 and phase 2,
that's in a bank account
somewhere. That's what I'm
trying to understand, if we have
$61 million sitting in a bank
account somewhere for a project
that we are not moving forward
on, why are we not reallocating
those funds?
>>speaker: we do not have $61
million
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: then
why does it say that in the
letter?
>>speaker: it's a timing issue
with the repayment for the funds
that were used for the fire
>>michelle aguirre: so,
supervisor, if you recall, we
had to transfer -- we
transferred $50 million out of
our capital project fund over to
our risk management fund to be
able to begin make the
settlement payments related to
the airport fire. So unless
there's a way that we get
reimbursed related to the
airport fire, we don't actually
have fire in our capital project
fund for that phase 2.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
So that memo needs to be
updated to reflect that
>>speaker: the harvey rose study
that we're referencing and the
dollars that were in there were
based off of the 24/25akfer and
the borrowing happens
subsequently after that.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: we're
trying to?Obd a way so that we
all have the same information.
We don't have the information
that you have because we're not
sitting at your computer digging
down into all of the different
accounts, and we rely on you to
tell us the full picture, and
then when we get a memo that
only has a piece of the full
picture because there's another
piece to it, it gets things to
be confused. So we need to have
a full understanding, even if
the point in time -- and I know
this is, you know -- this is
partly a -- an accountant-type
of way of thinking, right?
You're looking at it from a
point in time. So you stop
looking at the whole picture
because you're just looking at
this window of time. But we
need to see the whole picture
because we're trying to figure
out where the money is. Okay.
So you're saying $21 million is
what we have. Okay. So my same
question still applies. Of the
$21 million, how much of the $21
million -- it's my word is
probably the wrong legal term of
art, but how much of it is
flexible?
>>speaker: zero. The $21
million for the ccp committee
back in '22 -- approved back in
'22, so this board can either
approve or not approve the
allocation of
of the (Ab) 109
funds and in that year that
allocation was approved. This
year in the budget we have the
26/27 allocation, and all of the
funds anticipated are fully
allocated after the departments
by a percentage.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
I'm not sure I understand that
response. The $21 million, that
is earmarked in the budget for
this re-entry project --
>>speaker: was approved in 2022
for the 21/22 budget as
recommended by the ccp
committee. So the board either
can -- has the authority to
either approve the allocation
that the ccp committee brings
forth or not approve. So that
allocation was approved. So to
go back, we'd have to go back to
the ccp. They'll have to
approve or rescind the whole
allocation. They'd have to go
back to the committee and then
come back to the board
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
I just want to make sure I
understand if. So the $21
million that is earmarked for
this project, that it appears
that we are not moving forward
on, cannot be used for anything
other than the project that we
appear to not be moving forward
on; is that right?
>>speaker: right
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: so
what steps need to be taken so
that that funding can get
applied to a different project?
Like we have the tay housing
project with the workforce
program over in orange. Is it
possible to move the funds over
to there to ask for that to
happen
>>speaker: the (Ab) 109 funds
governed by the community
correction partnership, so we'd
have to go back to the community
correction partnership and they
cannot be used for juveniles
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
Good to know. So that's the
procedure, though, is to make an
application to this other
agency. This is a state
agency?
>>speaker: no. This is the
orange county --
>>speaker:
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: oh,
it's our agency
>>speaker: it meets before the
jjcc meetings that you used to
attend
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
So why didn't we just do that?
I don't understand schaifs
that's not part of this
proceeding. This is the budget.
And if you want to take
subsequent action, you could ask
for that.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
that's what I'm asking. What is
the procedure
>>michelle aguirre: I think,
supervisor, what the county and
staff have committed to, and I
did send the communication to
the city of santa ana late
yesterday, I do admit late. But
that -- that the project is not
approved by the board to move
forward. Today's action, just
adoption of the budget, does not
move that project forward. And
county staff are happy to work
with the community, the city the
current site is our youth
guidance center for at least a
couple more years. So it's
not -- this is not something
that is, I would say, urge
negligent nature. Just based on
the budget adoption today. But
in the communication to the
city, I did indicate and had
already reached out to mayor
masqua a couple of times. Happy
to schedule that meeting with
the city and also have that
community meeting. Based on the
communications that I have seen
related to this topic, there's a
lot of inaccurate information
out there in the community as it
relates to what the proposed
project is. So we would
actually love to have the
opportunity to meet with the
city and the community to
clarify and provide accurate
information as to what the
project would be, if the board
even approves us to move forward
with it. And so it is important
that we have that opportunity to
be over the next, you know, few
months, six months, whatever.
Be able to have those meetings
and to communicate and hear from
the public. So, but today's
vote on the budget does not
approve the project or commit us
to it.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you for that clarification. And
I don't want us to get into like
the merits of the project
per se. My comments and
questions really are more about
the process of understanding
where the money is maintained
and how flexible the accounts
are and how do we access the
funds to be able to pay for
operational needs? And so that
is where I'm still -- I feet
like we -- it just trickles in,
the information. It's a
complicated county system in
terms of the budget and all of
the different accounts and
reserves and mandates. And so
it's really important that we
have full transparency on where
the money is. How much money is
in each of the accounts? You
and I talked about this before.
We talked about like the
tidelands accounts as an
example. You can't see it in
this year's budget, how much
money is in each of the
accounts. And so I'd like us --
when we move forward with next
year's budget, we need to figure
out how to advance a budget
where we can actually see what
is in the bank account. Not
just see what is budgeted for
the operational year for the
year. So those are my comments.
Thank you for all of the hard
work. It's a challenging time,
and we appreciate all the hard
work. My priority with this
budget and as we continue with
our bargaining is that we not
have any layoffs, that we
maintain our workforce so we can
continue to provide excellent
services to the community and
that we figure out how to get
through what I see as a bridge
time period. Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. I wanted to ask
the ceo a question. Sorry. I
wanted to ask the ceo the
question, but she's
communicating with county
counsel. I just -- okay. So I
know there's folks who are here,
including mayor amess came,
who's here to speak, regarding
item 64, I know it's a little
confusion because there's too
items we're currently looking at
allocating the money to move
forward with a plan. If we
don't support that today, when
with comes back to the board for
a program in the future, it
would require 4/5th votes for
that to pass. I know, MADAM
Ceo. You mentioned it -- is the
allocation made to this specific
project at this address in the
funding?
>>michelle aguirre: no, the
moneys are bugged in our capital
project budget. But there's no
authority for us to spend the
money, right. That would
require a completely separate
agenda item in the future for
the forward about consider.
Separate, not just as part of
this budget.
>>janet nguyen: what if an
allocation is made but then a
different location is identified
later
>>michelle aguirre: it still
requires separate board
approval
>>janet nguyen: and I agree, and
I appreciate your comments and
the letter you sent to the city
and to the mayor, I want to make
sure from my side that please do
work with the city of santa ana
and the mayor to -- if we are
going to move forward about
anywhere, whether it's santa ana
or we're going to go to another
city, we need work with the
communities to making sure they
understand that if there is a
potential identification of a
location for this program, we
need to work with them, moving
forward after 2028. Because the
current program is still there.
2027?
>>michelle aguirre: well, my
understanding is it's like the
middle of 2028. This is not
anything that, like I said, is
urgent or in the very near
future
>>janet nguyen: perfect. Thank
you. So I want folks who are
here, who are going to speak on
item 64, to understand why
you're hearing the conversation
of the re-entry program and the
budgeting and et cetera, and
that's why you're hearing that.
But when you get to 64, you
know, which is an item just to
approve the contract, the
current contract, the funding
for it, to continue into 2027,
an allocation for their
workforce re-entry service that
is currently ongoing, that is at
that location, but this does not
commit us to the capital
improvement
>>michelle aguirre: different
location. So 64 -- it's for
orange, and it's a completely
different project.
>>janet nguyen: so if that's the
case, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ask us
to -- I know that the folks here
from santa ana did not know that
that's a different item. I
didn't either until now. Would
you allow them to go ahead and
speak? Because it is part of
the budget that they're really
here for
>>speaker: they MAY come back at
public comments. The rules we
have, you must ask in advance
>>janet nguyen: but I think,
MR. CHAIRMAN, if possible, I
think they've been here since
this morning, and I think maybe
if we can waive that rule
because I think it's -- it was
very confusing. I think it
would be much appreciated just
to allow each of them the 1
minute that we allow all the
others who spoke on the budget
item because there's a confusion
between the two items
>>chair, doug chaffee: my answer
is no. That is the order of the
day. If you wish to have board
members vote on, that we can do
that. You want to make a
motion?
>>janet nguyen: if possible, I
would make the motion to waive
and allow folks who are here to
speak on the budget of the
re-entry program to be able to
speak at this time, 1 minute
each.
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
a second to that motion
>>vincente sarmiento: I'll
second the motion
>>chair, doug chaffee: MADAM
Clerk, would you call the roll
[Calling roll]
>>chair, doug chaffee: the
motion carries. All right. And
so you need to first fill out
speaker form, whoever wants to
speak, and how many do we have?
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: they
don't have that many speakers.
Maybe people can consolidate for
the interest of time. I think
we got the message, but we want
to hear from you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: we have
a total of 11 speakers.
>>janet nguyen: since we're kind
of trying to find out who the
folks are because of the mix-up
of the items, you can maybe just
stand and get in line and just
read your name, because if
you've already had a speaker
form, I think, we would have
your information already. So --
so ----
>>leon page: MR. Chair, are the
speakers from the city, are they
speaking on the budget item or
on item 64
>>janet nguyen: it would be on
the budget item
>>chair, doug chaffee: speaking
of the budget, it's part of
that --
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
because 64 is a different topic
>>chair, doug chaffee: funding
for future use of the re-entry
center
>>speaker: first of all, I want
to thank the board for allowing
us to speak. I'm valerie mess
came, the mayor the city of
santa ana. I would like to ask
is that in the future, thank
you, michelle aguirre for
sending the letter yesterday. I
would like to ask that you allow
the city of santa ana to be at
the table when this discussion
occurs, have a community forum
because it is very important.
The location of 3030 hesperian
way has been cleaned up by the
city of santa ana, addressing
the homeless issue. Our santa
ana police department has done a
phenomenal job and so we deserve
the stiff santa ana a great
quality of life just like the 34
other cities in orange county.
And so thank you very much for
all of the support that you all
have provided. And I would just
ask that you invite us to the
table. We are the bearers of
everything. Thank you for
allowing us to speak today, but
please understand that we want
to be at table and have this
discussion with you. I do as
the mayor because I represent my
entire city, and it's what's
best for all of us. We want the
same quality of life for our
families, our children. Thank
you so very much
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. How many more speakers do
we have on this?
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: and
if the speakers want to say a
"me too," that would be really
welcome.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay
>>speaker: good morning.
>>chair, doug chaffee: did you
fill out the speaker forms,
please
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes, she
did
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. Go
ahead
>>speaker: martha molina, with
the riverview neighborhood
association. I placed this list
on your -- I don't know if I can
do this. Okay. Great. So two
weeks ago I came and we will a
letter signed by eight
neighborhoods. Today we have a
letter signed by 23
neighborhoods. They're listed
there, we work very hard, as
we've let you know, since the
mayor valerie mezcal goss --
amezcua meets with us every
month for the last four years.
We still have issues. This is
the graffiti in my neighborhood.
Three walls were hit this
weekend. We couldn't get them
cleaned until monday. We have
million-dollar homes there.
We're very proud of it. We work
very hard. And as we celebrate
the freedom of america, you
know, we need occlusion, we
need -- we need inclusion, we
need participation, and I read
that the state funds require
community outreach. We
appreciate your attention.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>speaker: good morning. My
name is danny vega. I don't
even know what to say with all
of this confusion. I'm just a
father with four daughters and I
was going to come here to speak
against the center because, you
know, santa ana, it seems like
the county is always putting
these programs in our city, and
I think it's really unfair. And
it's really disheartening. It
feels like there's this aura in
the room that nobody wants to
hear senior residents out.
I went back to listen to the
MARCH 27th, 2018 meeting when
there was a plan to put homeless
tents around certain cities.
And the residents that went out
there to speak out against it,
to say the exact sale thing that
I was going to say, we're
treated much, much better. They
even had apologies from the
board. But when it comes to
santa ana, it almost seems like
our kids don't matter. And it's
really sad
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir.
>>speaker: chair, council,
supervisors, dale, 36-year
resident of santa ana. I was
here again to speak on the
issue, the re-entry program.
There is a lot of confusion
between 64 and 94. So I'm glad
you guys cleared that up, that
the project is not approved.
And I implore you to make sure
that you have community outreach
to whoever is going to be
impacted by this re-entry
project. It's very important
that the transparency is there,
and it's also important that
other cities are included in the
discussion instead of just
always including santa ana
because it's a county seat. So
i hope that you keep that in
mind when it comes to -- in
front of you later on, whether
it's this year or next year or
whenever. Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir.
>>speaker: carl bener, also a
resident of santa ana. I wore
my red wing jersey so that
vincent could recognize me. But
just support also. I see a need
for the re-entry program, but we
need to talk to the communities.
You need to involve the
communities and talk to where it
is and really keep it out of the
highly residential-built cities.
Because, though it will help
many people get back to a normal
life, there are some that will
just use the steppingstone. I'm
glad we are hearing this
conversation today. Please
include the local cities in the
discussions where you are going
to locate it. And supervisor
nguyen, welcome back to the
board. I appreciate you being
here. Thank you.
>>speaker: good afternoon. My
name is melissa and I'm a
resident of santa ana. I'm here
to support -- the re-entry in
the city of santa ana because we
and the mayor has been working
very hard on cleaning up our
city and making it a better
place. We have government
buildings here that we have
people in all types of -- all
types of representatives coming
to our city. Our goal is to not
have our city look worse or have
any more homeless or anything
like that. It does not make us
look better or represent our
city. For the last couple of
years, it's been a misfire. But
there's been a great job on
removing presentable first
street by the 5 freeway,
cleaning up that whole area.
And in regards to our children,
I'm sure none of you would want
to have a problem like that in
your city. So if you could
please consider that when you
have your meeting for that.
Thank you.
>>speaker: good morning. Victor
mendez, PRESIDENT Of the zoo
district neighborhood
association. I wanted to
reiterate what mayor amezcua
said about we're a welcoming
community. My own neighborhood
on east first street up to four
years ago was horrendous. We
were infested with homelessness,
transient, prostitutes, drug
addicts. The city invested
millions of dollars, the
community invested a lot of time
and the place is now civil. And
home to many people including
afghan refugees. We are very
happy to have them and we've
done a lot of work to keep
things safe and secure in these
times. So as far as I'm
concerned, I'm just too old to
pay for the same real estate.
I don't want to see it happen
again. I don't want to go out
there at night patrolling, so
please do what you can to make
the situation safe and secure
for everybody. Thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: the
remaining four speakers are
still scheduled to speak on 64
>>chair, doug chaffee: are there
any more speakers?
>>clerk, robin stieler: no.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. We're back here, and I
see supervisor sarmiento. Do
you have any further comments
>>vincente sarmiento: yeah.
Just a final comment on the
breast-feeding L.A. To say that
we have a meeting with their
team and we'll continue to work
with first five. I'm the
vice-chair on that board. We
know how important this program
is. We'll find a way to work
with hca and make sure that we
come to some conclusion on that.
To the city, and thank you for
those of you who spoke on this
item, I know there might have
been some confusion. The
re-entry word doesn't apply just
to this. There's a whole campus
that's being developed in the
city of orange. And I think the
ground-break something tomorrow.
And it involves the
transitional-aged youth that
will have a new campus and a new
workforce re-entry on the front
end. And that will be item 64.
So, you know, I know that the
titles were confusing, but to
the extent that I believe the
ceo was able to send out a
letter -- thank you, MADAM Ceo,
for sending that letter out --
last night to the city manager.
I know we were on the phone with
the city manager letting him
know that the ceo was working on
this, just to clear things up in
advance. But I think your point
was well received. Thank you
for hosting a community meeting
that I attended last week where
I made my position clear on
this. So I want to thank the
staff. And I do believe that,
to the extent that the program
is a good program, and that's
something I think everybody
said. It's site location that's
the tricky part of any programs
like this. So to the extent
there's advance work, wasn't a
program to be successful and
embraced by not only the city,
but the surrounding neighborhood
and businesses that -- where it
will be located. I want to
thank the ceo and her team for,
you know, re-evaluating and
making sure that we do things in
a way that everybody can be
proud of, you know, what will
be, I think, a great system of
oc cares, that she's worked on
for many, many years. I think
this whole idea of oc cares
began back in 2019. So we know
a big significant piece is going
to be tomorrow when that ground
is broken in the city of orange
and that's the kind of work that
I think you are -- you know, we
are very proud of your efforts
in that. And that's the way we
should move forward. With that,
MR. Chair, those are my
comments. Thank you for the
time
>>chair, doug chaffee: any other
comments? Well, I need to kind
of speak on the re-entry center
myself. I'm going to go back a
ways. When I first came on this
board that was almost eight
years ago, and one of the
committees I was assigned to was
the orange county criminal
justice coordinating council.
And I remember first walking
into that meeting. I looked
around. Who are all these
people? We had the three
presiding judges present from
each of our court systems,
MR. Spitzer, the D.A. Was there,
the public defender was there,
the head of the probation
department was present, we had
health care representatives
there, and we had of course our
ceo present as well as financial
people. The homeless liaison
was there. We were all doing --
we were coordinating these
different kinds of departments
that sometimes were isolate
expiemed of like silos and
putting it all together. Not
only, that we developed a bunch
of pillars. One of those
pillars is the release of
inmates who observed their term,
who we wanted to help them so
they don't go back to a life of
crime, we call that the re-entry
center. This is kind of the
culmination lasting really need
to make that plan work. And if
you look at our jail population,
it's not nearly what it was. I
think we're doing a great job
reducing the amount of crime.
So this is a place that's hard
to find -- it's hard to find a
place. It's done a great job
with juveniles. So much so that
this place MAY not be needed for
that purpose anymore. Where is
it? It's bounded by the flight
control channel and freeways,
and it's gated. It's not near
any home or any type of threat.
So what this is doing is
reducing the possibility of
crime into our county. And if
we didn't have this kind of
center, where would these people
go? I dare say many of them
would be on the streets of santa
ana unsupervised. And this is
not anything that's secret.
It's been there a long time.
We've had chiefs of police in
santa ana serving on this board.
I have a chief of a large city
and one small as well on this
board. And it's been a major
effort to get to this point.
And my view is I want to thank
our ceo as part her legacy that
we've come this far. She's done
a tremendous job in helping this
go forward. It's very important
that this last component be
completed. And I don't
don't
know where the right place would
be, although, this has got more
barriers around it than any
other that I've seen. It's
pretty unusual that you can find
a place like that. Whenever it
is, it's going to reduce crime
in the area that it is situated
in. So as the chair, which I
have been for several years, the
oc c jcc, as we call it, I know
how important this is. I'm
hoping we can launch it before I
leave the board here. I don't
see any more comments. And so
with the suggestion change that
we delete 4a on this department
of conditions thing, and I think
we've taken care of the dna
staff I think it's otherwise
appropriate to simply move the
budget as been presented
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
second
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. County counsel a
comment, as usual.
>>leon page: I'm sorry,
MR. CHAIRMAN. I apologize for
doing this, but I would like to
discuss specifically your
proposal to delete from the
retirement system assistance
program policy that language in
4a
>>chair, doug chaffee: need a
separate motion
>>leon page: no. I just want to
highlight the legal concerns
that I have. The purpose of
this program is to encourage
voluntary separations. In each
department can fill every
position that's vacated and then
also pays $20,000 to the
departing employee, without the
language requiring that the
positions remain vacant, this
will backfire on you and you'll
suddenly have $20,000 hits while
also paying the salaries of the
new employees that are hired.
Now, I do believe that the ceo
has the existing authority under
county ordinance to freeze
vacant positions. Now, the
board does control the master
position control, and it's
through that document, through a
instrument that the board
controls the total number of
positions. But my expectation
is that if there are employees
and departments taking advantage
of this program, that the ceo
will administratively freeze
those positions, even if the ceo
can't delete them because that's
a board function. Those
positions will be frozen. I
think it's important that the
board understand that, that
there will still be impacts
because if the board's intention
is to fill every position that's
vacated, then I would recommend
you not adopt this policy
because it will make your budget
situation much worse. My second
comment is the amount of the
incentive is not actually
mentioned in the policy that's
before you today, and I am
concerned that, providing the
ceo with unbounded discretion as
to the amount of the incentive,
would be problematic. So I do
believe in briefing the ceo has
mentioned a $20,000 payment to
the health reimbursement account
account, health retirement
account. So I would recommend
that that amount be included and
I want the board to be aware
that the ceo does have the
authority to freeze vacant
positions and I expect positions
vacated as a result of this
program will be frozen. Thank
you.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
vice-chair
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I appreciate
those comments. From my
perspective, the freeze
something one thing. The
deleting of the positions is all
together different, and we do
have a hiring freeze right now,
so nothing would change. The
discretion of the ceo to work
with the department head to
determine whether or not that
position is a necessary position
needing to be filled would
continue. But we won't lose the
positions. We'll gain the
salary savings because many of
the individuals in the positions
are at a much higher salary than
the rest of the group who might
take advantage of this. And
then we also will, as I
understand it -- we will have a
savings as it relates to the
pensions because many of these
are individuals who are not
subject to pepra. So the new
pepra rules are less burdensome
on the county contribution. So
I do think that there will be
savings. I think the hiring
freeze, I would expect that that
be continued until we say it's
not. There's a policy question,
not really a legal one. And as
a policy matter, I sport
deletion. I also am supportive
of having the $20,000 add in. I
do think that's important so
that there's clear direction as
to what we expect in terms of
the incentive.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. Supervisor wagner.
>>don wagner: I just wonder
whether we're trying too hard.
Maybe the solution is leave a in
there but change that "shall" to
"MAY." does that do it?
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, I
think vice-chair pointed out, as
long as there's a hiring freeze,
it doesn't really matter.
>>don wagner: understood. I
know we're hearing from ocea
about the challenges with the
directive and some push-back,
and I respect that. And we'll
see if there is a way here to
finesse that and make it "MAY."
>>chair, doug chaffee: you want
to have the ocea head come up
and address that?
>>don wagner: well, I guess the
first thing would be whether
that would be something that
would work with the ceo or maybe
we delete a all together and
realize you have that inherent
power counsel just told us
about. I'm not sure what the
easiest path is here
>>michelle aguirre: if I might,
supervisor...
You know, deletion of 4a or
changing the word "shall" to
"MAY" be deleted with the
additional language of "unless
an exemption is authorized,"
et cetera. So this is what I
would say the ceo, right, budget
and finance office staff do all
day every day, working with
departments. This isn't the
first time that we've done this.
My understanding is there's
concern about, if we had -- the
number was referenced earlier,
2000, based on the V.I.P.
Program that we implemented
during covid previously, you
know. We don't anticipate
having 2000. But we know that
2000 would be a significant hit.
we know that depending on which
positions are vacated, we
can't -- let's say it's a
department head, we're not just
going to delete a department
head position, right. There
would just be a common sense
approach to implementation and
administration of this program.
While it says "shall be
deleted," we had also mentioned
that section 6 of the policy
does provide the ceo with the
ability -- the flexibility and
the implementation via the
administration of the program.
So while it says "shall," it
wouldn't just be automatic as
the program is being
administered. So I have no
problem with changing "shall" to
"MAY" and then using the other
language because that's how it
would be implemented anyway
>>don wagner: you don't need the
other language if it's "MAY."
>>michelle aguirre: correct.
You could just put a period at
the end
>>don wagner: right.. And I do
want to know what MR. Barfield
has to say.
>>speaker: so this is a
mandatory subject of bargaining
on impacts. Even if you adopt
this today, you are obliged to
meet and confirm with us, I.E.,
on those impacts at a minimum.
My fear, and I shared this to
some of you, is that this would
get turned into a public
negotiation. So I gotta tell
ya, I'm absolutely flabbergasted
that we're having this
conversation. And with county
counsel opining on it from a
legal standpoint, to me, it is a
policy question. I appreciate
leon pointing out that the
dollar apt was not included --
the dollar amount was not
included. I noticed that too.
But to have this discussion in
public is incredible to me. I
did answer your question,
MR. Supervisor? I'm not going
to answer that in public. It's
up to this board to adopt some
action, and then that will
trigger the necessary meet and
confer process. And I think
earlier I made our position
known. I'm not going to take a
public position to say, oh,
yeah, that will fix it. There's
still a lot wrong with this.
And if the board so chooses to
include this item as a
cost-saving measure as part of
this budget, it will trigger the
obligation to meet and confer
with us, and I think I made our
position pretty darn clear.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. I think by deleting it, we
can come back and add something
later if we need to. Because
there's this dollar amount that
we did not address, and I think
meeting and conferring in
advance would be wise here. So
I'm going to stay with simply
deleting it. We can work out
language later. And right now
it's kind of bogged down. So
I'd like to adopt a budget. We
got about 110 other items to
look at before we're done today
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
MR. CHAIRMAN, did you want to
put the dollar amount in or no
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, I'm
not quite sure how to word that
one either. Supervisor nguyen,
you have a comment?
>>janet nguyen: I do. So I'm
trying to understand all this.
County counsel, so if item a is
deleted, does that -- does the
ceo still continue to have -- i
mean, be able to freeze. So it
doesn't stop her or him from
freezing these positions going
forward?
>>leon page: that's right. And
that's why I spoke. I wanted
the board to be aware of the
ceo's existing authority just so
that everyone is on the same
page and departments don't have
expectations because the board
deleted that language that they
can now fill positions
irregardless of the budgetary
impacts.
>>janet nguyen: and then can you
address, if we move forward with
this, if we delete, a, do we go
then into meet and confer or
does it have to be in this item
to be going to meet and confer?
>>leon page: I think the county
will engage in good faith with
all of the effected employee
organizations regardless of
whether the language of 4a is
included or not. I mean, this
could obviously have impacts on
county employees. And it's
those impacts that the county
has to meet and confer with the
organizations over.
>>janet nguyen: last question,
then, you can give us a language
to include the $20,000? What
that language would be? For us
to consider?
>>leon page: sure. The amount
of the incentive contemplated
herein shall be $20,000, up to
$20,000 to the employees -- it
shall be a contribution --
employee contribution --
>>janet nguyen: I'm sorry. So
the ceo is nodding her head no.
MADAM Ceo, not up to, just
$20,000?
>>michelle aguirre: yeah. I
mean, if we are looking -- if
you want it to be 20,000, just
state 20,000. That was intent.
If you want to provide
flexibility, then it would be
the up to.
>>janet nguyen: what do you --
>>michelle aguirre: what we were
intending to move forward with
was the $20 contribution to the
hra. I am fine with that
language
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
MR. Chair, let's just add that
to the motion, the $20,000
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Well, let's -- no. This
is a little different. How do
we word, that up to -- added to
the hc account
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: not
up to. Will just $20,000ed to
the incentive hra account. She
says she wants it to just be
$20,000, not an up to.
>>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN, I
suggested the "up to," but MADAM
Ceo said she preferred just to
stay directly at $20,000 so
there's no confusion
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: that
way you reduce the haggling and
all that
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. County counsel, you can
give us some language that
combines what we're talking
about here
>>leon page: yes. The amount of
the one-time contribution to the
employees hra shall be $20,000.
>>chair, doug chaffee: that's
it
>>leon page: and I put that in
section 3
>>chair, doug chaffee: and the
deletion of 4a? Is that a
separate item or do we combine
these
>>leon page: that would be -- I
would put that language that I
just spoke of in section 3 of
the policy. And then 4a can be
removed, if that's the direction
of the board. And again, this
all will be subject to meet and
confer
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So
that's the motion. Are there
any objection as soon as I got
it. All right. Now, did we
move the whole budget with that,
too? All right. We included
that. All right. I think we're
finished with that item. And it
is now noon. What does the
board want to do? To come back
later, which we're going to have
to anyway, or do you want to go
to closed session? Closed
session? All right. MADAM
Clerk, would you read the
closed-session items please?
Cs1. County executive office-
conference with labor negotiator
-pursuant to
government code section 54957.6:
agency negotiator: jamie newton,
chief human resources officer
employee organizations:
association of orange county
deputy sheriffs (Aocds), orange
county employees association
(Ocea), orange county attorneys
association (Ocaa),
international union of operating
engineers(Iuoe), association of
county law enforcement
managers (Aclem), american
federation of state, county and
municipal employees
(Afscme), orange county managers
association (Ocma), teamsters,
and workers represented
by united domestic workers of
america (Udwa) And other
non-represented employees
re: terms and conditions of
of employment
scs2. County counsel-
conference with legal counsel-
anticipated litigation
-
significant exposure to
litigation-pursuant to
government code section
54956.9(D)(2):
number of cases, multiple.
Scs3. County counsel-
conference with legal counsel --
existing litigation-
pursuant to government code
section 54956.9(D)(1):
name of case: G.C. V. County of
orange, orange county superior
court case no. 30-2022-
01274942-cu-po-cjc (Click for
scs4. County counsel-
conference with legal counsel-
existing litigation-
pursuant to government code
section 54956.9(D)(1):
name of case: bryan vig v.
County of orange et al., orange
county superior court case no. 30-2025-01475686-cu-pa-cjc
scs5. County counsel-
conference with legal counsel-
existing litigation-
pursuant to government code
section 54956.9(D)(1):
name of case: california
department of forestry and fire
protection v. County of orange, orange
county superior court case no. 30-2025-01508686-cu-mc-cxc
and we have three speakers
wishing to speak on the
closed-session items
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. First speaker in the
closed-session item. 1 minute,
please.
>>speaker: good morning, folks.
I know I only have a minute
here. I'm the union
representative for teamsters
local 952, o and m unit. Good
afternoon, board. We're asking
again please give
authorization -- we're getting
creative now. I'm happy to see,
that but get creative how to set
our union negotiations. We've
been told no at every corner
although we have agreed on some
articles, we're still so far
apart. Thank you for the board
members who have listened. We
need support from the whole
board on finding a way to
authorize wage increases. Like
I said last time, I'm open to
meet with any and all board
members and to avoid a labor
dispute. We cannot burn time
and go months and months past
the end of our contract like the
last cycle unless -- unless
there's a retroactive pay in the
talks. I'm not going to hold my
breath on that. But let's get
creative right. Thank you to
this and let's settle our
negotiations. You know, we want
to keep servicing our county
here, and again, we don't want
to have a labor dispute. Let's
get some wage increases on the
table. Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir. Next speaker please.
>>speaker: good morning. My
name is fabian lopez and I'm
currently serving as a fleet
technician with the orange
county public works. As a unit
steward appointed to the
negotiations committee, it's
clear to me that all of you have
lost touch with the reality of
the times that we're living in.
Throughout the 16 gork meetings
that we've had, we've been met
with nothing but offensive
proposals and threats and
resulting in very little
progress. We're tired, we're
tired of our hard-earned tack
dollars going to the wrong
places. I'm here today to
remind that you we are all
public servants, and the public
deserve what is they pay for in
taxes, a fair contract and wage
proposal to all county employees
would ensure public services
would not be disrupted. Thank
you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: good afternoon,
members of the board be my name
is betty lopez. I worked for
the county of orange for the
last 18 years, and I have --
this is my third time
negotiating a contract with the
county. I just want you guys to
know that we work really hard.
We -- we work hard, we're here
every day. When the county shut
down, we stayed for covid. We
work every day. Every single
day, the essential members that
represent -- that we represent
are doing the invisible heavy
lifting for this county. When
you visit our sites, we're the
ones that take care of those
animals. I work for the animal
shelter. We take care of those
animals. We get things ready
for you guys to come in to take
your pictures for your photo
ops, and I just want you guys to
know we see you, and I just
really hope you see us when we
come in asking for wages, it's
not because we are asking for an
allowance. We work really hard.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further speakers, MR. CHAIRMAN
>>chair, doug chaffee: with
that, we are adjourned to closed
session.
[Closed session]
>>speaker: okay. We're back in
session, county counsel, do you
have anything to report
>>leon page: pursuant to gofs.6
and 9 the board met in closed
session to discuss the items
referenced on today's agenda
scs1, 2, 3, 4, 5, with respect
to csc1, the board took no
reportable action. With respect
to scs2 the board unanimously
approved settlement of the
various claims filed by members
of the public for losses and
damages incurred as a result of
the SEPTEMBER 2024 airport fire.
The board unanimously approved
a $2 million settlement for the
pagano, par ada -- households
the board unanimously approved a
3.5 million global settlement
for the gors key household the
board unanimously approved a
$1.5 million global settlement
and for the morrison household,
the board unanimously approved
$2.5 million global settlement
of the settlements approved
today remains subject to any
person who inquires. With
respect to scs3 in the matter of
3g in the matter much gc versus
county of orange. This case
involved an alleged sexual abuse
by the plaintiff by her foster
parent and foster brother in the
early 1980s. An alleged
failure on the par the county
the social services agency to
investigate the plaintiff's
complaints. That settlement is
subject to the final approval of
others and when that settlement
agreement is finalized copies of
the agreement will be made
available through the office of
ceo risk management to any
person who inquires with respect
to scs4, the matter of brian vig
versus county of orange the
board unanimously approved a
settlement of 88, 992.51, in
this 2024 motor vehicle accident
case that resulted from a
collision with an orange county
sheriff's department vehicle in
lake forest. The settlement
approved today remains subject
to the final approval of others
and when that settlement
agreement is finalized, copies
of the agreement will be made to
anyone who inquires. With
respect to scs5, the board in
the matter of california
department of forestry versus
county of orange, unanimously
approved the $6,950,000
mediator's proposal to settle
and resolve the lawsuit filed by
cal fire against the county to
recover cost incurred fighting
the SEPTEMBER 2024 airport fire.
Copies will be made available
to any person who inquires.
With respect to the claims of
alan lp bumpkins, angela bend
zoo brown, degrade da, fontes,
the inner circle foster family,
james crest, lucas mark mia,
mig, morris, mueller, page, no
relation to me, ram mire reds,
sure, silva, slate, thurston,
valentine, vasquez, via,
williams and willsie which was
considered by the board on
JUNE 9th 2026 as scs8 the
board unanimously approved a
global settlement in the amount
of 7,752,596.45. The
settlements all will remain
subject to the final approval of
others and when settlements are
finalized copies of the
agreement will be made available
to any person who inquires.
That's it, MR. CHAIRMAN. The
board took no other reportable
action in closed session today.
>>chair, doug chaffee: that was
quite a bit of reportable
action. Thank you, county
council. Is. We moved the
budget item ahead. We come back
toes item 35.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 35.
Supervisor sarmiento-consider
first reading of "
an ordinance
of the county of orange,
california, amending section
1-1-80, subsection (H) And
adding section 1-1-81,
subsections (E) Through (I) To
the codified ordinances of the
county of orange regarding
lobbyist registration and
reporting"
; and set second
reading and adoption for
8/11/26, 9:30 A.M.
We have no requests to speak on
agenda item 35..
>>chair, doug chaffee: do we
have any -- we didn't have any
commenters?
>>clerk, robin stieler: no, we
do not.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. This is a lobbyist
recording type of proposal.
Many other counties already have
this, we do not. It kind of
closes the gap in some weird
ways. And I appreciate
supervisor sarmiento joining in
on this. I'm going to move the
item. If there are comments --
moved and second by supervisor
sarmiento, comment from
vice-chair foley.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you. Thank you for bringing
this item forward. I strongly
support this item. I do think
more disclosure to the public is
important, and I think you know
you're doing something right
when shirley grendle sends you
an email of support. So thank
you for bringing this forward.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor sarmiento, any
further comments
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
MR. Chair. I know, it's hard to
get praise from shirley, but
it's always nice when it comes
in. Thank you, MR. Chair, and
obviously this is something
that's been worked on for the
past couple of years. It's a
subtle step but an important
one. This extends and expands
the rules to include discussions
with department heads, though,
it's basically just modifying
the definition of advocacy and
lobbying. So I just want to be
clear, one of the things I want
to make sure is on the record
that this no way interferes with
the rights of others that, you
know, organizations that come
before the board and educate
officials or present their case
on the issues. It provides more
sunshine regarding efforts to
influence by entities hired to
lobby, not people just simply
wanting to, you know, discuss
issues that MAY affect their
neighborhood, MAY affect
their -- you know, local
communities. But we want to
make sure that that continues to
be something that we encourage.
I think to have more exchange
with residents, more exchange
with stakeholders is important.
So, thank you, MR. Chair. I
think this is an important step
in the role of the ethics
commission to provide additional
review and guidance to the
lobbying and advocacy community,
and it strengthens the role of
the commission as well. With
that, happy to second it
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
for joining. I would note one
important change, lobbying not
only of the members of the
board, but you MAY engage in
lobbying with, let's say, an
example, department heads. That
counts too. So reporting is
another step in transparency for
us. And it's a step in what I
would call good government, as
we're trying to do. Been moved
and seconded. Any objection?
Seeing none, it has been
approved unanimously. Thank
you, colleagues. Go on to item
34, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 36.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm
sorry. 36. Just did 34. All
right, 35.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 36.
Under supervisor wagner-
approve allocation of $240,000
from the third district'
s fy
25/26 office budget, budget
control 008 to orange county
sheriff'
s department for
purchase and installation
of new body scanner at intake
release center; make related
findings under government code
section 26227; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 36..
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor wagner, this is your
item
>>don wagner: yes. Thank you
very much, MR. CHAIRMAN. Real
briefly, out of the office
budget, not discretionary, this
goes to the sheriff's department
for the body scanner, the intake
center, and we've all been
seeing reports with respect to
inmate deaths and how many of
them are in the first few days
of custody and drugs getting
into the jails. This is a state
of the art opportunity to give
our shares an opportunity to
interdict those drugs before
they get into the population.
So it's for the health and
safety of the inmates. The
health and safety of the
deputies, and I appreciate the
sheriff in working with me on
this to make this one happen.
If there are any questions, I'm
happy to take them, otherwise, I
move for approval.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
second
>>chair, doug chaffee: I agree.
Anyone object to this item?
.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: great
item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: seeing
none. Looks like it's niang
muss. Thank you for bringing
that forward. Item 37, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 37.
Under auditor-controller-
acting as board of supervisors
and orange county housing
authority-adopt resolution
authorizing temporary transfer
of cash between various funds
for fy 2026-27
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 37
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item. Moved and
seconded. Any objection? Item
is approved. 39, please. --
38, I'm sorry.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 38.
Under district attorney-
approve model contract
ma-026-26010077 for victim
witness assistance program
services, 7/1/26-6/30/29
($20,357,748); renewable for two
additional one-year terms;
select respondent from
solicitation ranking results
list; and authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to negotiate and
execute contract and make future
amendments under certain conditions
and we have no requests to
speak.
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection?
Seeing none --
>>clerk, robin stieler:
MR. Chair this requires a
respondent is selected from the
solicitation ranking results
list.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I met
to do that, move waymakers as
the selected respondent..
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
This new stuff kind of slows
us -- gets us mixed up, and I'm
mixed up anyway to start with.
All right. So no objection,
it's been moved and seconded.
And we've chosen waymakers.
Item is approved. Now we go to
39.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 39.
Under district attorney-
approve contract ma-026-26011343
with hewlett packard enterprise
company for hewlett packard
enterprise support service,
7/1/26-6/30/28 ($1,741,703);
and authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute contract
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 39..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'll move sc
andersen group international as
the primary and pdr solution as
the alternate..
>>chair, doug chaffee: been
moved and seconded. Any
objection? Go ahead, supervisor
wagner?
>>don wagner: unless I'm reading
this wrong, you're on item 40.
This is 39..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: oh,
my bad. Sorry. You're right
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
packard.
>>don wagner: I'll move the
item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
disease. Okay.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right, been moved and seconded.
We've got the right vendor now?
Okay. Any objection? Motion is
approved. We go to item 40
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 40.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
model contract ma-060-26010737
for mold remediation services
6/24/26-6/23/29 ($900,000);
select and approve respondent
and alternate respondent from
solicitation ranking results
list and authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to negotiate and
execute contract under certain conditions
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 40.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: now
I'll move sc andersen group as
the primary and pdr solutions as
the alternate.
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item. Do we
need to select a vendor here
again? Yeah, we do. I have a
motion.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
moved sc andersen group as the
primary and pdr solutions as the
alternate.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Moved and seconded. Any
objection? Seeing none, item is
approved. We now go to 41.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 41.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 10 to contract
ma-060-18010732 with idemia
identity & security usa llc for
livescan/biometric capture
stations, equipment,
accessories, supplies,
software and maintenance,
8/22/26-8/21/27 ($450,646;
cumulative total $3,866,755);
and authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute amendment
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 41..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's
again an all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: we need
to pick a vendor here.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: no
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
It's been moved and seconded.
Seeing no objection --
>>clerk, robin stieler: MAY I
clarify who's second on the
motion.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
motioned, supervisor --
>>janet nguyen: and I seconded
>>clerk, robin stieler: thank
you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: now, if
we considering I'd like to take
items 42 through 57 as a group.
I think the approval or
consideration, say, by one
motion, these are all policing
contracts with the sheriff
>>clerk, robin stieler:
MR. CHAIRMAN, 48 is not one of
the law enforcement items. 48
is a five-year revenue agreement
for continuing education
classes. So it would be 42
through 47 and 49 through 57.
>>speaker: with that exception,
let's go ahead with that
grouping.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 42.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 1 to contract with
city of villa park for law
enforcement services
($2,416,848) And special and
supplemental services
($259,500), 7/1/26-6/30/27;
and authorize sheriff-coroner or
designee to execute amendments
under certain conditions
>>clerk, robin stieler: 43.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
contract with city of dana point
for law enforcement services,
7/1/26-6/30/27 ($15,904,903);
and authorize sheriff-coroner or
designee to execute amendments
under certain conditions-
district 5
>>clerk, robin stieler: 44.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
contract with city of laguna
hills for law enforcement
services, 7/1/26-6/30/27
($12,112,857); and authorize
sheriff-coroner to execute
amendments under certain conditions
>>clerk, robin stieler: 45.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 1 to contract with
city of san juan capistrano for
law enforcement services, 7/1/26
-6/30/27 ($14,310,630;
cumulative total $48,169,382);
and authorize sheriff-coroner or
designee to execute amendments
under certain conditions
>>clerk, robin stieler: 46.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
contract with city of aliso
viejo for law enforcement
services, 7/1/26-6/30/27
($11,550,802); and authorize
sheriff-coroner or designee to
execute amendments under
certain conditions
>>clerk, robin stieler: 47.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 1 to contract with
city of laguna niguel for law
enforcement services, 7/1/26-
6/30/27 ($19,920,619); and
authorize sheriff-coroner or
designee to execute amendments
under certain conditions-
and we have no requests to speak
on these items.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
move the items.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm
seeing no objection. The items
are approved. Now let's go to
48. District 5
>>clerk, robin stieler: 48.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
five-year revenue agreement with
rancho santiago community
college district for continuing
education classes for inmates,
7/1/26-6/30/31 ($984,375)-
districts 2 and 3
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 48.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 2 and district 3 item.
Moved and seconded. Any
objection? Seeing none, the
item is approved. Now we go to
item 58.
58. Sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 1 to contract
ma-060-23011224 with crh
california water inc., dba
culligan of santa ana for water
softener services, 8/8/26-
8/7/27 ($430,800; cumulative
total $1,723,200), renewable for
one additional one-year term;
and authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute amendment
>>speaker: a district 2 and 3
item. Moved and second. Any
objection? Item is approved.
59, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 59.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
continuation of local emergency
for 2026 garden grove hazardous
material incident; and set
review to determine continuing
need for emergency action for
8/11/26, 9:30 A.M. And every 60
days thereafter
we have received one request to
speak on agenda item 59.
>>chair, doug chaffee: is an
all-district item
>>clerk, robin stieler: we
received one request to speak on
agenda item 59.
>>chair, doug chaffee: please
call that speaker
>>clerk, robin stieler: john
spring..
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm not
seeing -- is he here? Please
come forward..
>>chair, doug chaffee: I have a
slight hearing impairment.
MR. CHAIRMAN, members of the
board, I'm john walton spring.
I'm here first to honor my
father carl chaffee spring,
major U.S. Army chemical
warfare. He was born in garden
grove in 1899 and delivered by a
DR. John d chaffee, who was a
good friend of my grandfather
reverend louis spring of the
garden grove methodist episcopal
church. My primary reason for
being here is public safety.
Methyl cry late -- meth cry late
has a very similar molecular
structure as saran, which is a
nerve gas
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir. Your time is up.
>>speaker: and I guess I've run
out of time.
>>chair, doug chaffee: yes. You
have. Thank you, sir. This is
not on that topic. This is
actually a continuation of the
emergency moved and seconded.
Any objection? Seeing none,
item is approved. All right,
item 60.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 60.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
retroactive payment to rancho
santiago community college
district for
tuition/registration fees for
criminal justice classes ($420,801)
We have no requests to speak on
agenda item 60..
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is a
district 2 item. Moved and
seconded. Supervisor foley,
question.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.
Could I ask MR. Mccullough or
MR. Maine to come up?
>>speaker: good afternoon,
brian, from the sheriff's
department.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
know this is retroactive because
of a delay by the community
college invoice us. And so I
guess my question is, this is 12
to 18-month delay. Is there a
way we can fix that so we don't
have that delay in the future?
Because we just voted on another
contract, right?
>>speaker: so it sounds like the
college has kind of gotten their
act together. It's our
understanding that the staff
they had in place was replaced
back in the fall of last year,
and the new staff member is kind
of on board. Our folks have
been working closely with them.
We on our side, we're tracking
it 100% accurately. We're
trying to get them to bill us.
They couldn't figure out a
mechanism, the college
administratively was kind of a
mess. They've gotten that
squared away, and it's our
understanding that the new staff
they have on board are kind of
locked in, and we're working
closely with them so this
doesn't happen again.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
Appreciate that. Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. I heard a motion. Did I
get a second
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection? The
item is approved. 61, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 61.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 4 to contract
ma-060-21011079 with pepperdine
university for youth diversion
counseling services, 7/1/26-
6/30/27 ($448,396; cumulative
total $2,504,736); and authorize
county procurement officer or
deputized designee to execute
amendment
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 61.
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection?
Seeing none, item is approved.
62, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 62.
County counsel-approve
termination of local emergency
for the airport fire.
We have no requests to speak on
agenda item 62..
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Seeing no objection,
item is approved. 63. Call
item 63, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 63 under
county executive office-
approve amendment 2 to renew
contract ma-017-24011100 with
orange county's united way dba
orange county united way for
professional and technical
support, and information and
referral services, 7/1/26-
6/30/27 ($828,000; cumulative
total $2,460,224); and authorize
county procurement officer or
deputized designee to execute
amendment
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 63.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection?
Seeing none, item is approved.
64, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 64.
Under county executive office-
approve amendment 1 to contract
ma-017-25010195 with hub for
integration, reentry and
employment for workforce reentry
services, term ending 9/12/27
($250,000; cumulative total
$2,150,000); renewable for two
additional one-year terms; and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute amendment
and we have received four
requests to speak on agenda item
64.
>>chair, doug chaffee: please
call the speakers
>>clerk, robin stieler: mayor
pro tem david penelosa, paula ga
elevator, a cassandra perez and
andrew linares.
>>vincente sarmiento: MR. Chair,
I think those comments were
mistakenly given because they
wanted to speak on the budget
item but then we got
clarification that it was on a
different item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: so none
of them are be present. All
right, then this is a district 2
item
>>vincente sarmiento: I'll move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection?
Seeing none, item is approved.
Let's go to 65.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 65.
Under county executive office-
approve amended and restated
license agreement with james
productions, inc., for operation
of public fishing concession and
development of public
recreational activities at
irvine lake, 7/1/26-6/30/31;
renewable for one-year
extensions under certain
conditions; authorize chief real
estate officer or designee to
approve extensions, amendments
and execute license agreement
under certain conditions; and
make california environmental
quality act (Ceqa) Exemption
findings under ceqa guidelines
section 15301
this item does require a 4/5ths
vote of the members present. We
have no requests to speak on
agenda item 65.
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is a
district 3 item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection? It's
unanimous, a 4/5ths vote
requirement is achieved. Let's
get to 66, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 66.
Under county executive office-
approve contract ma-017-26011314
with institute for urban
initiatives for continuum of
care program technical
assistance and consulting
services, 7/1/26-6/30/29
($225,000); and authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to execute
contract
. We have no requests to speak
on agenda item 66.
>>chair, doug chaffee: 66 is an
all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item..
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection? Seeing none, item is
approved. 67, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 67.
Under county executive office-
approve agreement for transfer
of real property and quitclaim
deed for transfer of a portion
of plaza of the fountains to
city of santa ana; authorize
chief real estate officer or
designee to execute agreement,
quitclaim deed, easement deed
and related documents
and take related actions under
certain conditions; and make
california environmental quality
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings
under ceqa guidelines section
15305 and other related findings
this item does require a 4/5ths
vote of the members present. We
have no requests to speak on
agenda item 67.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 2 item
>>vincente sarmiento: move the
item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection? Seeing none, item is
approved. 68, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 68.
Under county executive office-
approve memorandum of
understanding (Mou) With
superior court of california,
county of orange for provision
of services, 7/1/26-6/30/27;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to execute
mou; and authorize county
procurement officer or
deputized designee to adjust
annual contract amount under
certain conditions
and we have received one
requests to speak on agenda item
68..
>>chair, doug chaffee: there's
one speaker? Please call the
speaker
>>clerk, robin stieler: deborah
donothan.
>>speaker: hello, I'm deborah
donothan commenting on item 68,
the county executive office
memorandum of understanding with
the orange county superior
court. When the county enters
service agreements with the
court, the public needs
transparency about what services
are being provided, what fund
something involved and whether
those services intercept with
probate, mental health court,
care court, conservatorship,
disability services or
behavioral health placements.
I'm asking the forward about
require public reporting ada and
olmsted safeguards, a clear
separation between county
behavioral health funding and
court processes that MAY result
in loss of liberty, family
separation or restrictive
placement. Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further speakers, MR. Chair
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right, item 68 an all-district
item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item
>>vincente sarmiento: second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection? Seeing none, item is
approved. 69, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 69.
Under county executive office-
approve retroactive amendment 3
to renew contract ma-017-
25011394 with carahsoft
technology corp for email
subscription management services
(Govdelivery), 5/1/26-4/30/27
($188,024; cumulative total
$340,115); and authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to execute amendment
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 69.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item. Moved and
seconded. Seeing no objection,
the item is approved. 70,
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 70.
Under county executive office-
approve grant
applications/awards submitted by
county executive office, health
care agency, oc community
resources, oc waste & recycling
and sheriff-coroner, ratified
grant applications/awards
submitted by county executive
office, health care agency and
john wayne airport and
retroactive grant
applications/awards submitted by
oc public works and
sheriff-coroner in 6/23/26 grant
report and other actions as recommended
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 70..
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item and our
grant report.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item chafed no objection,
item is approved. 71, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 71.
Under county executive office-
approve recommended positions on
introduced or amended
legislation and/or consider
other legislative subject matters
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 71
>>chair, doug chaffee:
all-district item. Supervisor
sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank
you, MR. Chair. I did want to
draw attention to something that
I know this board has been made
aware of as of late last week,
even though it was at the 11th
hour. We had a bill, ab2194
that was authored by
assemblymember valencia and was
carrying a bill for us, which
was really sort of a simple
bill. I guess the general
intent was to stagger terms of
the appointees to the cal optima
board of directors. I want to
thank you, MR. Chair, because I
know that the author basically
revised the bill extensively,
and it is a much different bill
than what was first proposed by
this board and supported by this
board. So it is in essence to
remove the county supervisors
from serving on the board of
directors at cal optima but also
creating an appointment body
made up of an assembly member,
senator, and a member of
congress that represent medi-cal
members here in the county. So
I know that one of the first
things that you did when we
received that revisions and that
new bill was way letter in
opposition. So I thank you,
MR. Chair, for doing that
quickly. You were on the board,
and you've been served on the
board of cal optima and you know
that we have been trying to do
very good things there under
some difficult circumstances.
So, you know, the county's
operated under a county
organized health system model
that's allowed for, you know,
local leaders, community
stakeholders, providers, and
public representatives to have
meaningful voice in the
oversight of a multibillion
dollar organization responsible
for delivering health care to
our residents here, especially
our seniors, those who are
disabled and low income. So
today, you know, caloptima is
arguably one of the strongest
and most stable it's been. It's
been under some pressure in the
past I know our former
colleague, who is now serving
five years in federal prison for
corruption, was the chair. So I
know the board did a very good
job of trying to audit a lot of
the contracts he was involved in
when he was there serving on the
board. We've also done
investigations into issues that
were concerning and -- to the
public. But we've also done
incredible work in making sure
that there's more transparency
and better governance there. So
I do think that it's a much
better performing board of
directors and health plan, and I
think it's something that we can
all be proud of, which is why we
were kind of surprised to see a
very extensively revised bill
from what was agreed upon here
at county. And I know there was
some discussion at the board of
directors at caloptima about an
leapt of the original bill,
which had to do with providing
closed session information to
the alternate. There was
healthy debate. The board
majority chose to not support
that part of the bill. But when
it came back to the county,
there was no change. So the
bill stood as it was originally
drafted, and it included that,
despite the decision and the
direction at the caloptima board
of directors. So I know that,
you know, tomorrow this bill
will be heard. This revised
bill will be heard at the senate
health committee. And it is
moving very fast. It is a bill
that was introduced at 11th
hour, a very, very different
version of what this board had
agreed to support. So one of
the other elements of this is
that, you know, what causes
heightened concern is that
orange county would become the
only one of the 34 counties
served by california's organized
health system without directly
elected county board of
supervisors on its governing
board. That really makes us an
outlier and wouldn't have that
accountability that many of us
believe is important to have
elected officials on there.
There's only two supervisors
that serve on a nine-person
board. So we certainly have a
role, I think, to be responsive
to the members and to the
taxpayers here that stand that
public health plan up. But the
appointed members have a very
robust role. I know that for
the past year, we had the --
appointed member isabel becerra
serve as our chair for a year
and a half. I know the
vice-chair is a family member.
She represents a seat on that
board that, you know, has a
family member who is a medi-cal
and caloptima member. We tried
do as much as we could to make
sure that appointees on that
board have no more or no less
authority than the supervisors.
Nonetheless, I think supervisors
have a critical role as all the
cosystems in the state have
agreed, that there should be a
blend of both appointed members
and elected members. So this
was a surprise, I know, to
supervisor nguyen and I, who are
the supervisors who are
presently serving on that board
of directors. And I know that
we plan to go up to sacramento
tomorrow just to make sure that
the committee understands the
dynamic of what we've been
trying to do. I think our roles
as watchdogs on that board as
well has been well documented.
I know that a lot of the work
that has been done has been, you
know -- just making sure that
services and programs for our
caloptima members continue to be
funded and supported. Just
recently, we adopted a $430
million rig provider -- rate
provider increase to make sure
that our medi-cal members and
caloptima members continue to
receive support from the
physicians, from the hospitals
and everybody else in our
network. And I learned, and
something that we learned was we
were the only health plan in the
entire state, county health plan
to do that. So that was
something that was important for
us to do because we want to
support our providers so they
can support our member
recipients. But I do -- I would
ask this board to change its
position from its original
support position of the original
draft of ab2194 to an opposed
position because it's a much
different bill than what was
introduced originally. I know
that our local advocates that
are on our -- you know, on our
sacramento side precision have
been working feverishly to make
sure that they're able to tell
our story. We have 10
opposition letters from some
very, very strong advocates in
the -- or stakeholders in the
health care industry. Both are
local and state hospital
association have written
letters, in addition to many
others. And I think there is
some clarity. I think the only
letters so far that we've seen
in support was from ocea but we
were assured that they were
going to withdraw that and
submit an oppose letter because
that -- that letter that they
originally sent was in support
of the original draft the bill.
So there is an urgency to this.
I believe that supervisors have
an incredibly critical role.
This county has stood this plan
up and has had a seat on that
table to make sure that there's
balance, there's accountability,
and responsiveness to the public
and to the members that they
serve. So I would ask that this
board revise its position from
support of the original draft of
the bill to oppose. We
certainly are grateful to the
author for carrying the original
bill. I want to make sure he
hears publically from me that
I'd like him to work with us if
there are any rescissions he'd
like to make. But these are
drastic disproportionate changes
to a bill that was simply meant
to staring terms of the
appointed members. So to the
extent that we can work on
better governance, more
partnership between our federal
and state electeds and
delegation members here, we're
certainly open to that. I'm
certainly open to that as the
chair of caloptima. And I
know -- I'm sure this board
doesn't see any problem with
working with our federal and
state partners and making sure
we improve our work there at the
public health plan. So that is
my -- those are my comments,
MR. Chair. The only other thing
I would add is that we have
precision working very hard for
us. This is kind of a tricky
moment because those of our --
my colleagues, supervisor wagner
and nguyen, who have been in the
legislature, know that getting
out of the committee is
critically important. If it
doesn't get out of committee,
the bill doesn't go anywhere.
But if it does get out of
committee and goes to the floor,
then it gets trickier. So to
the extent that also an appetite
to maybe engage, you know, an
outside advocacy firm that will
help on the senate side, I think
that's something that we should
consider.
I know precision has been doing
a lot. They have a lot in -- on
their plate. But just something
for us to consider because this
is a very, very, again, you
know, change in direction for
what this board's role is on
caloptima is. I'll leave it at
that and hand the mike back to
you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
for your explanation.
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. Yeah. This was a
big surprise. It was a gut and
amend bill. I have had the
opportunity to talk with to the
assembly man, and I appreciate
the conversation. I was able to
spend some time with him and
went through the changes of
caloptima since actually I was
the one who originally started
the change in caloptima.
Originally caloptima only had
one board of supervisors. And,
you know, my first original
change was to include two county
supervisors because it is a 4.5
billion budget. I believe it
should warrant a minimum two
county supervisors' attention,
and it is also -- oversees
almost a million individuals on
medi-cal of our 3.2 million
residents. So I believe that
having two county supervisors on
the board with an alternate
gives the attention caloptima
needs and gives also the -- you
know, the concerns of the
residents who are on med came.
My district currently is the
second largest med came
recipients in orange county. My
original district that included
santa ana was the number 1.
Supervisor sarmiento has the
highest number. And we separate
about 100,000 residents apart
between the first and second.
So I went through and explained
all that to him. And, you know,
what I do appreciate is that I
think we -- us and the assembly
man, we do share the same goal
of ensuring strong oversight,
accountability and transparency
while trying to prevent the type
of corruption and manage
management that occurred under
the previous supervisor. And so
I ask him whether the
restructuring the governance
model now through his new gut
and amend bill, that I believe
we can work together to strain
caloptima's oversight, implement
meaningful reforms, protect
taxpayers, members and the
public trust as well. So I know
a lot of things have been
happening since the weekend. I
reached out to the member of the
senate health committee as well
as I formerly have -- majority
my time up there, I served as
vice-chair of senate health. So
I'm very familiar, and it is
going to be a long day tomorrow.
It is the last day of that
committee hearing. And it will
also be my first time going back
to sacramento since I came back
here to the -- since I came back
here to the county, so I'm
actually excited to see some of
my former colleagues as well.
But to add to that, one is to
clarify ocea did send a letter,
resending their original support
as of late last night. And so
they do not -- so there is
currently no support for this
bill at all. So every
stakeholder in orange county,
bipartisan has actually stepped
up and is in opposition of the
bill. And on top of that, I do
agree with supervisor sarmiento,
that, you know, if there's an
opportunity, I think the board
should and could engage in
additional advocacy of working
alongside precision to continue
to work the bill if it does pass
the senate health committee.
There's been a lot of direction
from the caucus, from the health
senate caucus recommendation,
and so it's ongoing. And so I'm
hopeful that there would be some
resolution to -- for us to work
with the assembly man going
forward for any opportunity. If
he sees something that we
don't -- that we haven't seen,
let's work together because in
our conversation it's -- you
know, it's been a very good
conversation. And so I'm hoping
that we can partner with him.
And so with that, MR. CHAIRMAN,
I would like to make a motion
that we oppose the current gut
and amend bill and also allow
the chair and/or the ceo, if
sees fit, to add in -- to hire
on new additional -- not new,
additional advocacy if this
moves forward out of the senate
health committee tomorrow. So
that would be my motion,
MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. And it's moved and
seconded. Vice-chair..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. And thank
you to my colleagues for
sharing. I had a chance to meet
with assemblymember valencia
when I was in sacramento last
week. I was there to testify on
our county sponsored nitrous
oxide ban bill, and that did get
out of committee. 19-0. Happy
to hear. But we did have a
chance because this landed that
same day. So I had a chance to
talk with the assembly man.
And, you know, I'm not going to
get involved in relitigating
every issue that relates to
caloptima and what happened and
didn't happen and what kind of
triggered this for him as it
relates to some of the decisions
by the caloptima board, but what
I did hear him say, and I am
concerned about, is that his
office reached out several times
to us to ask about clarification
because there was conflicting
information of position coming
out of the caloptima board and
the county board. And -- where
we have two board members 60 on
the caloptima board and yet we
had two different positions.
And so they reached out, and
nobody responded. And so I
think that that also caused a
concern, and I think that we
need to, you know, as a
procedural matter, if there's a
board office sponsoring a bill,
then maybe they should be the
point person to respond. Or if
they're not available to
respond, then the CHAIRMAN
Should respond. But someone
needs to respond. My bigger
worry with this is that we
have -- now, this is a couple of
pieces of legislation over the
last couple of years that are
directed over at county of
orange board of supervisors.
And it really sends the wrong
message to the state legislature
about the work we're doing here,
about whether or not legislators
should carry a bill for us, and
wonder if our position might
shift at a later time. So I
hope that doesn't happen. I
hope these issues can get
resolved. There are some
elements to the gut and amend
revised bill that I do think are
valued. And I so I would ask
that you take a position of
oppose unless amended. I do
think that it is important to
have the health care director
and the social services agency's
director as voting members on
the board. I think that they
are integral to the operations
of how do we serve the community
being served. And so I actually
do agree with that. I think
that -- what the assembly man
told me is that he was removing
the three elected officials that
he had proposed for the
selection committee. And just
to be clear, he wasn't proposing
the three elected officials to
sit on the actual caloptima
board. They were just being
proposed on a selection
committee to select the board
members for the caloptima board,
which he has shared with me that
he is removing them. I don't
know if that's happened yet, and
so I also shared with him that
the selection committee didn't
have a procedure on how to
select people. So that, if it
goes forward, would have to get
corrected. So my concern that
there is support for this bill
and I would like us to see an
oppose, unless amended, another
amendment that would of course
support adding our two county
board members back on the
caloptima board. I do think
there's value having the board
member there is. I think if
this selection committee is
created, then that might solve a
concern that he has about undue
influence by the board and
selecting all the board members
for caloptima. So I support my
colleagues in trying to advocate
to maintain the board as is or
to at least get some changes
into this bill to benefit the
county and to maintain two
positions on that board. But I
worry that if we just take an
opposition position, that we are
not going to be successful. So
I'd like to request the maker of
the notion change your motion to
oppose unless amended..
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
for that. At this point, I must
comment. As soon as we found
out theres a need for
clarification coming from the
assembly man, that very day, we
prepare adler to transmit. It
was ready the next day. There
was no delay in responding to
him at all from the time he made
his request. Before we could
transmit letter, we learned he
changed the bill. So it's
totally false that we didn't get
back to him on time. We tried
to immediately. He had this
premeditated ahead of time. You
can't make that dramatic a
change overnight. It was very
detailed change. Curiously win
read this amended version, it
would put him on a selection
committee. He's running for the
state senate and that's one of
the offices he had selected in
that bill. So I do not agree to
that position of amended with --
-- posed unless amended. It's a
horrible bill. It just needs to
be killed moving forward.
Original idea, which we
promoted, was a bill we were
sponsoring, was simply to
stagger the terms of the
caloptima board so you have some
fep from year to year and get
better continuity and the other
was kind of an odd issue where
the interpretation is are you an
at facility that -- we do have
an alternate -- that you
couldn't have any closed session
material in advance unless you
suddenly became the person
involved. I'm that alternate.
I don't really have any interest
in that. But it made it
difficult to be prepared if you
weren't going to be involved in
that, as a good government that
allows people to be prepared.
It's the only board I know of
that doesn't allow alternates to
have the closed session
materials so they can be
prepared to respond. With that,
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. I want to kind of
just respond to some of the
comments that were just made
from my colleagues. I did reach
out to the assembly man after I
was -- when it was mentioned
that the county did not respond.
I want to hands with that was
so I could share with my
colleagues. The assembly man
did reach out to the county on
MAY 22nd. And that is
actually the second day of the
garden grove incident. As you
know, my office, your offices
were all -- and the county was
hands on deck in garden grove.
And so there was confusion, and
I think in our office, also, we
assumed that since I voted
against the recommendation from
caloptima, I was actually the
one no vote because I do agree
that the alternate should have
that information. They should
have the information as they're
heading into closed session and
dis% they -- they shouldn't get
it before. And that was kind of
my explanation at caloptima.
But regardless, you know, that
was during the time when the
county was -- wasn't able to
respond. And I did personally
apologize to the assembly man if
there was a lack of -- but I
don't think there was a --
definitely, there was no
intention of a sign of any
disrespect or lack of interest
from the county. So I've shared
that with him. I do know that
we -- the county-led staff did
reach out on JUNE 2nd to his
chief of staff, obviously from
22nd to JUNE 2nd is quite a
difference in number of days,
but we did have the incident.
And I also mentioned to the
assembly man, I do appreciate
him because during the incident
he actually reached out to me,
offering if he could be of any
help, offering that anaheim has
hotels that they're -- you know,
he's talked to the hotels that
they're opening up to try to
help garden grove residents and
not just garden grove, but any
residents in the area, as well.
So I think that's a lack of
miscommunication and lack of --
basically, lack of communication
between the two sides. And so I
did personally apologize to
that.
In regards to the aca and ssa,
the reason why I originally did
not want to include hca and ssa
as voting members is to show
that that would add more votes
to the county. I wanted to show
that there isn't that bias from
the county's side. So if you
add hca and ssa as voting
members, that would add two
sprofers supervises. That's
four voting members that could
potentially be considered, you
know, to some folks a self
interest from the county's side.
And so when I did the original
change back in -- almost 15
years ago, it was not to -- yes.
The importance of hca being
there at the table is extremely
important and she's very
valuable -- he or she, is very
valuable for that dispoj that
information. Because we do do
the behavioral health of the
county. And in working with
caloptima and also the
eligibility worker vice-versa.
So I stand by not wanting hca or
ssa to be a voting member. And
so I don't -- I would not be --
withdraw my -- revising my
motion. And second with the
selection committee, you know I
think it's still problem make
the, even removing those
senators, the assemblymember and
congressional members. I did
share with the assembly man why
that part itself is problematic
because they -- all due respect
to those members -- haven't been
one. They don't see the daily
operations that we see here in
health care. And they're in
sacramento or D.C., so
ultimately it might be their
staff that come to be on that
slashing committee. So I
understood that, and he did
mention he would look at me
moving that part of it. I said
the rest of it is also
problematic because you have now
selection committee members who
would be appointing themselves.
You've got representatives from
the hospital, from thing you
know, all of the other
representatives. They're
actually the ones we're
selecting to be on that
committee, on that board. And
so now they're self-selecting
themselves. And I don't think
that should be it. Think the
current system, the which it's
working, not perfect, but I
think my intention originally is
to make it fair and balanced.
To making sure that the members
of caloptima whose actually in
the system is there, as well.
My original intent was that that
individual get a stipend, get
transportation stipend. Get a
daily stipend to show up and be
at these meetings because it is
difficult for them in terms of
financially. So that was all
the original intent. I think
that keeping at board of
supervisors, there is a
processed, and, you know, I it
has been working? Is it
perfect? Absolutely not. None
of the systems are. We'll
always look at it and look to
consider amendments. At this
moment right now in time is that
the bill and the recommendation
even at the caucus itself right
now is no, is not support bill
for the democratic caucus and
also the republican caucus.
There's a lot of moving parts
right now. And I think, you
know, tomorrow be a long day
because he is the 14th member
on that -- author for tomorrow's
agenda. And it's file order
only. And so we wouldn't know
when the bill's gonna be heard
and what the negotiation from
now into tomorrow as well. So
it's a moving target, and I
just -- I'm just hopeful that he
would just that I believe and
make it maybe a two-year bill or
can start over with us and work
on something.
But I cannot
support right now, you know,
hca, and then add on ssa as well
unless we have that longer
discussion, because I don't want
to make these, you know -- these
decisions last minute, just no
different than I'm not a big fan
when I was in the legislature.
We don't like the bills that
don't pass at all. It's unfair.
But I think we're in a good
position. Assembly image, we're
willing to work with you, if
there's a lot we could do
together in reform, but let's
move forward and have those
conversations
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank
you, chair. I won't repeat a
lot of what was said but I think
anytime something is done sort
of at the 11th hour, the
legislative cycle is kinding up,
and for there could be a
complete remediation and
deviation and departure from
what was originally agreed to,
it becomes a partner because you
then can't vet with these
questions in coming up. The
supervisor was referencing --
the toxic problem with a
chemical facility here in garden
grove, gkn, that weekend, had
all of us a little bit on our
heels. I know when we spoke
with peter and his team, they
tried to, I believe, message as
quickly as they could. We have
certainly do better. There's no
doubt about it. I just feel
that this is a different
proportional responsive to that.
There was a delay getting back
to the author to completely
undermine the way the board of
supervisors is configured and
selected to remove the
supervisors from this bad from
serving on there and something
accountable and working with
their employees is very that is
a very drastic departure. I
know DR. Kelley serves with us
on that board representing hca.
She is always a resource for
everyone on the board. And
because we're supervisors, we
oversee the entire incident
great thing you know, health
care number here in county. It
certainly does really help to
have her on there. So I
certainly appreciate her role.
Du I do ble that CHAIRMAN And --
that doing an oppose unless
amended I think really won't get
us there. I think that -- the
point is this is a very
difficult bill now to try to
work on. I don't think an
amended version of this bill
will get the author back on
board. I just think that there
has to be some support for
saying let's work on something
with a clean slate. Let's come
back and completey open to
sitting down and working withing
author and his staff to go
through this. And if you has
the votes, to get it there.
Will get through in any event.
I'm hoping that'll be reasonable
and realize that there is
nothing egregious or nefarious
to trigger this sort of drastic
change in a bill that was very,
very benign, and it was simply
meant to -- to introduce better
governance to staring those
seats on there. And the only
reason there was some discussion
and a difference of opinion on
having alternates have access to
closed session information was
the general counsel at caloptima
said that accessing information
information -- and with wasn't
just going to be when somebody
was coming in but information on
alternates all the time. It
could breach the privilege that
we know is protected by closed
session. So that was the simple
debate on that. But I think,
again, we could, you know,
deliberate and talk about, you
know, us being quicker on the
response to the author and
responding and engaging, and I
think we certainly can do
better, that's why we have a
legislative team. But at this
point, I think that we need to
hold fast. I don't want the
county to be singled out as an
outlier being the only health
plan in the state that doesn't
have county representatives
serving on there and being
accountable to the public. That
to me would be a more
disappointing conclusion of all
this because, again, I think
what was said, it's now the
second time that the county has
singled out in all of the
counties for things that I don't
believe are warranted. There's
nothing that warrants this
change at caloptima for the
previous departure from where it
was originally done. In any
event, MR. Chair, I think you
have a motion and a second on
the floor.
>>chair, doug chaffee: oh, yes.
Okay, supervisor foley, you've
already spoken, so pleads be
quick.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. Thank you,
supervisor nguyen. I appreciate
the insight, and I guess I would
just appeal one more time to
this idea of a -- what I'm going
to consider an olive branch to
the assembly man by saying it
doesn't have to be specific
things in the bill, but maybe
just the opening of the opposed
unless amended. Because to your
point, let's work on it, make it
a two-year bill and make is
something that we can all
collaborate on. I just don't
know how successful we will
being if we just take this
aggress excessive -- aggressive
opposed position given what
happened the last time we did
that with the assembly man. So
my concern is that if we're not
showing some effort to
understand what his concerns
with and we're just taking an
aggression, opposition position,
we might be putting ourselves in
a negative bargaining position.
So that's the only reason -- and
I can guarantee you they're
watching our meeting right now.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: and I agree.
They are. I was -- I'd do the
same. I think there's a
difference between the last bill
and this one. And so full
disclosure, I supported the last
bill in the senate. I voted for
it. The difference is that
there was something that
triggered the last bill. It's
unfortunate, but there was
something and it was a
corruption scandal by a city's
supervisor. That's what
triggered. This bill, you have
no trigger. Two supervisors who
have been at forefront in trying
to ask the questions at
caloptima. Everything I say
here the assembly man has heard.
And so I don't think that this
warrant us in doing a, you know,
opposed and yet it's amended to
go back to the original bill.
So again, I oppose this bill and
also move that -- the CHAIRMAN
And/or the ceo can authorize any
additional advocacy efforts if
need to if bill moves forward.
And so, you know, I think
there's a lot of moving parts,
and I think -- I'm hopeful
because I've worked with the
assembly men or other things in
the past and reminded him of
that as well. So with that, I
continue with my motion,
mr. CHAIRMAN. I also do,
MR. CHAIRMAN -- I do have a
comment I would like to make on
the other bill. I can make that
comment, too? Or should we do
this one first and then dot
other.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. We have a motion on this
bill. I'm not sure we have a
unanimous board. MADAM Clerk...
[Calling roll]
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
support the effort because I
want to be supportive of my
colleagues, but I do hope that
we go in in a collaborative
spirited. Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. We do have a unanimous
vote. So thank you supervisors
nguyen and sarmiento for your
efforts on this. So now you
mentioned -- this isn't
complete. This is just one
bill. So you're right,
supervisor nguyen, if you'd like
to comment on another bill
>>janet nguyen: ab760 is a
similar bill, actually a
duplicate of a bill that I
authored when I was in the
senate and the senate work diane
exhibitionxon coaught twhord me.
It was after the huntington
beach oil still in 2021. At
that time we identify that the
victims who be passed on --
making them be taxed on
settlement payments. So our
bill was to make sure that
anybody who received individuals
and business who received
settlement by -- because of the
oil spill, will not be taxed.
And because ab760 is a depict of
that, and the reason is is that
the independent in garden grow.
Hazmat incidents they will not
be taxed
ed the settlement that
is an income and this memory.
This bill would make sure that
the funds that they received and
the settlement would not be
considered as a -- as an income
to be tasked by the state. So
with that, I move the bill
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection? I think we're done
now. Anything else on this
item? All right, the item moves
on. We have voted. Now we come
to 72, which is the airport.
And we have 72 through 76 that
are airport matters. If there
are no objections, I'd like to
take them as a group. MADAM
Clerk, would you go forward with
item 72 through 76.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 72.
Under john wayne airport-
approve contract ma-280-26011379
with bridgenet international,
inc. Dba bridgenet international
for airport noise monitoring
system services, 9/1/26-
8/31/31 ($1,858,003), authorize
county procurement officer or
deputized designee to execute
contract; and make california
environmental quality act (Ceqa)
Exemption findings under ceqa
guidelines section 15301
>>clerk, robin stieler: 73.
Under john wayne airport-
approve contract ma-280-26011292
with transcore, lp for hardware
and software maintenance
services, 9/1/26-8/31/31
($494,390); authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to execute contract;
and make california
environmental quality
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings
under ceqa guidelines section 15301.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 74.
Under john wayne airport-
approve model aggregate contract
ma-280-26011036 for airport
materials testing and inspection
services, 7/23/26-7/22/29
($6,000,000); select and approve
respondents from solicitation
ranking results list; and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
negotiate and execute contract
with selected respondents under
certain conditions
>>clerk, robin stieler: 75.
Under john wayne airport-
approve model aggregate contract
ma-280-26011042 for airport
planning and programming
services, 7/23/26-7/22/29
(Aggregate total $3,000,000);
select and approve respondents
from solicitation ranking
results list; and authorize
county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
negotiate and execute contract
with selected respondents under
certain conditions
>>clerk, robin stieler: 76.
Under john wayne airport-
approve aggregate contract
ma-280-26011375 with frasca &
associates, llc., unison
consulting, inc. And ricondo &
associates, inc. For airport
commercial consulting
services-airlines, three-year
term (Aggregate total
$1,100,000); renewable for one
additional two-year term;
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute contracts;
authorize director or designee
to exercise cost contingency
increase not to exceed 10% under
certain conditions; and make
california environmental quality
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings
under ceqa guidelines section 15378.
We have no requests to speak on
these items
>>chair, doug chaffee: these are
all district 4 items.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
move the items, and as it
relates to 74, we'll move the
klein felder and sir turner rma
group to provide the materials,
and as it receipts to 75 there's
wsphmntb and kimly horn it looks
like they wanted all three.
Yes.
>>chair, doug chaffee: did that
cover it? I think it got all of
the renders. It's been moved.
I will second that item. Any
objection? Those items are
approved with the selection of
the vendors.. Now we go to 77.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 77.
Under oc community resources-
approve amendment 2 to
cooperative agreement c-1-3446
with orange county
transportation authority for
senior non-emergency medical
transportation services, 7/1/26
-6/30/31, in an award amount up
to 1% of net measure m2
revenues; and authorize director
or designee to execute amendment
78. Oc community resources-
select and approve respondent
-- we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 77
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection. Item
is approved. 78, please.
78. Oc community resources-
select and approve respondent
and alternate respondent from
solicitation ranking results
list for tree care maintenance
services; approve model contract
012-2964102-eb with selected
respondent, 9/1/26-8/31/29
($10,080,000); renewable for one
additional two-year term;
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized deputy to
negotiate and execute contract
under certain conditions; and
make california environmental
quality act (Ceqa) Findings
under ceqa guidelines section 15304
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 78..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item
>>janet nguyen: I'll move it,
MR. CHAIRMAN, and the selection
would be with west coast
arborist, inc.. And then
mariposa tree management, inc.
For a second
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Been moved and seconded. Any
objection to those -- sorry.
You have a recusal. Okay. So
noted, and with that, the item
is approved. Item 79, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 79.
Under oc public works-award
contract ma-080-26011040 to R.J.
Noble company for las flores
gateway improvements and
pavement rehabilitation project,
160 working day term
($15,783,498); authorize
director or designee to execute
contract; and make california
environmental quality act (Ceqa)
Exemption findings under ceqa
guidelines sections 15301
and 15302
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 79..
>>chair, doug chaffee: I believe
we have a recusal again from
supervisor wagner. This is a
district 5 item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
move the item..
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
any selection here.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: no,
just for rj noble.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I will
second it. Any objection,
noting the abstention? Thank
you. Item 80, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 80.
Under oc public works-approve
oc civic center parking
maintenance fund 828 budget for
civic center area operating
costs, taxes/fees and projects,
fy 2026-27 ($7,886,000);
authorize auditor-
controller to make related
payments; and make california
environmental quality act (Ceqa)
Exemption findings under ceqa
guidelines section 15301
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 80.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 2 item. It's been
moved and seconded. Supervisor
foley, any comments.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.
I have a question. It looks
like in the staffer report that
this is the civic center parking
maintenance, and there is a
six-month preserve -- reserves?
Is there a reason why we have to
have six months of reserves?
I'm not sure who to ask.
MR. Onuma or --
>>michelle aguirre: zack is
coming up. I'm assuming it's
related to a specific project
but zack can clarify
>>speaker: yes, I'm the
administrative deputy director
for orange county public works.
We discussed with the city of
santa ana given -- during covid,
we head several capital projects
that were being off-set at the
same time that our revenue was
decreasing due to lack of
parking. So during that time,
we decreased the reserves down
to three months. We discussed
during this operational cycle,
having excess money, bringing it
back up to a six-month level.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
Thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's been
moved and seconded. Any
objection? Seeing none, tempt
is approved. 81, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 81.
Under oc public works-award
contract ma-080-26011250 to abm
building solutions, llc for
construction manager at-risk
construction phase services,
health care agency-madero new
heating, ventilation, and air
conditioning plant project,
250-day term ($1,885,000);
authorize director or designee
to execute contract; and make
related budget adjustments
this require as 4/5ths vote of
the members present. We have no
requests to speak on agenda item
81.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 3 item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: motion
carries unanimously, which
satisfies that requirement.
Item 82, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 82.
Under oc public works-approve
contracts with qualified
contractors for
architect-engineer task
order roadway and bikeway
services, three-year terms
($2,700,000 each; aggregate
total $16,200,000); and
authorize director or designee
to execute contracts
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 82.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: are there
vendors here.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: there
are six vendors that are
indicated. We're just moving
all six, correct?
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I think
that's right. Is there any -- I
don't see anybody saying no.
All right. Th been moved and
seconded. Seeing no objection,
item 82 is approved. 83,
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 83.
Under oc public works-approve
subordinate contract
ma-080-25011203 with johnson
controls fire protection lp for
facility security & fire
sprinkler systems, equipment and
related services, 7/1/26
-3/31/27 ($1,335,277);
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute contract; and make
california environmental quality
act (Ceqa) Exemption findings
under ceqa guidelines section 15301
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 83
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection in
seeing none, item is approved.
84, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 84.
Under oc public works-acting
as orange county flood control
district-approve amendment 1
to cooperative agreement
ma-080-25011369 with southern
california regional rail
authority for san juan creek
bridge replacement project
($800,000; cumulative total $2,800,000)
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 84.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 5 item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I will
second the item. Any objection?
Motion carries. All right, 85,
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 85.
Under oc public works-acting
as board of supervisors and
orange county flood control
district-approve amendment 1
to renew aggregate contracts
ma-080-23010821 with airdev,
inc. And efficient bpm llc for
maintenance management
integration services, 8/16/26-
8/15/28 ($700,000; cumulative
aggregate total $1,750,000); and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute amendments
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 85..
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
an all-district item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item..
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection?
Seeing none, item is approved.
We go on to 86, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 86.
Under oc waste & recycling-
approve amendment 3 to contract
ma-299-25010112 with geosyntec
consultants, inc. For landfill
regulatory support services
($122,000; cumulative total
$2,372,000); and authorize
county procurement officer or
deputized designee to make minor
changes under certain conditions
and execute amendment
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 86..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item. I will
second it. Any objection? The
motion carries. Item 87,
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 87.
Under oc waste & recycling-
approve amendment 3 to contract
ma-299-23011446 with promax
personnel, llc for temporary
help for landfill laborer,
7/18/26-7/17/28 ($2,400,000,
cumulative total $4,565,000);
approve amendment 4 to renew
contract ma-299-23011436 with
promax personnel, llc for
temporary help for fee station
attendant, 9/25/26-9/24/28
($340,000; cumulative total
$940,000); and authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to make minor changes
under certain conditions and
execute amendments
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 87..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 3, 4, and 5 item. I
will move for approval. Moved
and seconded. Any objection?
Item is approved. 88, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 88.
Under oc waste & recycling-
approve contract ma-299-26010687
with helix environmental
planning, inc. For landscape
maintenance for native plant
habitat management, south region
landfills, 9/1/26-8/31/29
($6,757,500); renewable for one
additional two-year term; and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
make minor changes under
certain conditions and execute contract
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 88..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 3 and 5 item..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd
like to make a comment.
>>chair, doug chaffee: go
ahead.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: given
the concerns expressed about use
of herbicides, I want to mention
for the public there's multiple
mentions throughout the contract
that no herbicides will be used
in public areas including five
foot buffer around trails and
only applied to specific
invasive non-native species at
this location. Thank you..
>>chair, doug chaffee: did we
get a second on this
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection? 88 is
approved. 89, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 89.
Under oc waste & recycling-
approve amendment 2 to contracts
ma-299-22011312 with tetra tech
bas, inc. ($3,606,255;
cumulative total $11,759,876)
And ma-299-22011322 with swt
engineering, inc. ($99,957;
cumulative total $360,049),
terms ending 7/30/27; and
approve change order 6 to
contract ma-299-24010124 with
sukut construction, llc,
($9,819,459; cumulative
total $98,741,594), 1,185-day
term, for prima zone 4 phase a
mass excavation and liner
project; and authorize director
or designee, under delegated
authority from oc public works,
to execute amendments and
contract change order
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 89..
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 5 item. Go ahead and
make your comments.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. This item is
brought to us because of a need
for an additional funding for
the contract due to some
geological concerns and the
approval of this is as it
relates to making sure that we
are not having the ground water
impacted. Unforeseen geological
conditions required additional
work and additional time for
this project..
>>chair, doug chaffee: did I get
a second
>>clerk, robin stieler: no. We
still need a second..
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection? Item
89 is approved. We go on to 90
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 90.
Under probation-approve
memorandum of understanding
(Mou) Between county of orange,
orange county probation
department, and superior court
of california, county of orange
for sb 129 pretrial release
program, 7/1/26-6/30/27; and
authorize county executive
officer and chief probation
officer or designee to execute mou
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 90.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item. Moved and
seconded. Any objection? Item
90 is approved. 91, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 91.
Under registrar of voters-
approve contract ma-031-26011329
with dmt solutions global
corporation dba bluecrest for
hardware maintenance on document
messaging technologies
sorters, inserters and server
and software licensing and
maintenance, 8/12/26-8/11/31
($2,532,741); and authorize
county procurement officer or
deputized designee to exercise
cost contingency increase not to
exceed 10% under certain
conditions and execute contract.
And MR. Chair, we received three
requests to speak on agenda item
91. Lisa h, kate, and
california precinct activators.
>>speaker: hi, supervisors.
Just california election's code
18568 neighbors a crime -- it's
only 1 minute.
>>chair, doug chaffee: no
interruptions, please
>>speaker: please, could I have
my time? California elections
code 18568 neighbors a crime to
aid in changing or destroying an
official ballot, to wrongfully
remove ballots or to willfully
detrain, mutilate or destroy
ballots or election returns,
violations can be charged as
felonies. We're replacing
machines that were slicing the
envelopes and slicing the
ballots in half at one time. We
as citizen observers asked the
registrar of voters if we could
witness this in the room. This
is not an observable place. We
weren't allowed to look at this.
I just request that since he's
your appointee, that we make a
change to the rotation then, but
we need to fix the problem.
Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. Next speaker, please.
>>speaker: good morning, board.
So one-day voting, paper
ballots, no mail-in ballots. So
this is kind of a joke. Over 91
ways for you to steal more
money, all of you are despicable
but nothing will change your
behavior. The $2.5 million is
because you had ballots ripped
by machines designed to open
them. If the general population
would stop voting by mail, all
of this would not be needed. As
long as every politician,
political party, government
stooge -- as you are --
continues to support mail-in
ballots, we will -- this will
continue, and we will waste more
taxpayer money. One-day voting,
paper ballots, id. Thank you
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am. MAY we have the
next special please.
>>speaker: bob page is currently
under investigations by the
department of justice. The
united states versus page for
not complying with -- and
continuing on with unredacted
data. Why are we even
entertaining for the taxpayers
of orange county to spend
another $2.5 million when we
have a -- we currently have the
registrar voter bob page under
federal investigation by the
department of justice? You can
guys please answer that? Why we
would be entertaining anything
from the registrar of voters bob
page. Can any of you answer
that? Why do we even have this
as an agenda item? Voter fraud
is rampant. One-day voting.
One-day counting. No mail-in
ballots. This is destroying our
country. And this is just on
record here for the voters of
orange county. Thank you very
much.
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further speakers, MR. Chair.
>>chair, doug chaffee: again
this is an all-district item. I
think we had a motion, but I
didn't hear a second
>>vincente sarmiento: second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection? Item
91 is approved. 92 please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 92.
Under social services agency-
approve amendment 1 to renew
master contract ma-063-23010975
and individual contract with
hopskipdrive, inc. For
children'
s school of origin and
foster youth transportation
services, 7/1/26-6/30/28
($950,000; aggregate cumulative
total $2,975,000); and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute amendments and
accept claims-made sexual
misconduct liability insurance
under certain conditions
we have no requests to speak on
agenda item 92.
>>vincente sarmiento: move the
item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
a second? Supervisor foley, you
have a comment.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.
So I am very concerned about
this, and I know we already have
this contract, but I want to
make sure that as procurement
looks at the new solicitation,
maybe we need to get with c zack
and sort of survey what other
counties are paying for these
services because a base rate of
$43 for a ride from where a
child is living, whether it's in
orangewood or a family home, and
to school, plus $2.95 per mile,
that seems extraordinary to me.
And it appears that the average
ride is about 10 miles so we
paid about $444,000 last year
for approximately 440 rides.
And so it just seems
extraordinary to be paying this
much. And I feel like it's
because no one ever asks or
pushes back, and they have just
a monopoly on this type of
service. So I hope that we will
try to negotiate a better deal
for the county. Of course, we
want children to be transported
safely with all of the, you
know, lifescan and background
checks and the appropriate
insurance. But I can't seem to
get a itemization of what those
costs are. So as we move into
the next solicitation, I hope we
can be a little bit more
aggressive in negotiating down
these fees..
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. Did we get a motion?
>>clerk, robin stieler: a motion
by supervisor sarmiento, but I
didn't hear a second
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have a
motion, any objection? Item is
approved
>>clerk, robin stieler:
MR. Chair, who seconded the
motion.
>>chair, doug chaffee: me
>>clerk, robin stieler: thank
you very much
>>chair, doug chaffee: that's
correct please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 93.
Under social services agency-
approve contract
ma-063-260101048 with the
regents of the
university of california, on
behalf of uci university
physicians & surgeons, uci
department of psychiatry for
sexual abuse counseling
services, 7/1/26-6/30/29
($4,725,000); renewable for one
additional two-year term; and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
exercise cost contingency
increase not to exceed 10% under
certain conditions and execute
contract
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 93.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 2 item moved and
seconded. Any objection? Item
is approved. 94, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 94.
Under social services agency-
approve amendment 2 to renew
master agreement cps0221-00 for
drug testing services
($1,600,000; aggregate total
$9,600,000); approve amendment 5
to agreements csp00221-01 with
associates in counseling and
mediation, cps0221-02 with e&j
medical services, cps0221-03
with scram of california, inc.,
amendment 2 to agreement
cps0221-05 with dms services,
inc. And amendment 1 to contract
ma-063-25011169 with redwood
toxicology laboratory, inc. For
drug testing services, 7/1/26-
6/30/27; and authorize county
procurement officer or deputized
designee to execute amendments
and we have no requests to speak
on agenda item 94..
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
any motion.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
the item
>>vincente sarmiento: second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Moved and seconded. Any
objection? Item is approved.
Now we go to our supplements.
I'm going to ask the clerk to
start with supplements 94a, l,
m, and y.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94a.
Under chair chaffee-approve
allocation of $23,350 from
fourth district discretionary
funds to homeless intervention
services of orange county for
roof replacement project; make
related findings under
government code section 26227;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to negotiate
and enter into agreement as
necessary; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94l.
Under chair chaffee-approve
allocation of $250,000 from
fourth district discretionary
funds to support city of
stanton's norm ross sports
complex for youth sports access
and community health
improvement; make related
findings under government code
section 26227; authorize
county executive officer or
designee to negotiate and enter
into agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94m.
Under chair chaffee-approve
sponsorship of various nonprofit
entities from fourth district
events funds; approve addition
or revision of events to fy
2025-26 county events calendar;
make related findings under
government code section 26227;
and authorize auditor-controller
to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94y.
Under chair chaffee-approve
allocation of $5,000 from fourth
district discretionary funds to
brea chamber of commerce for
women rising leadership academy;
make related findings under
government code section 26227;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to negotiate
and enter into agreement as
necessary; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
let me just double-check. I
don't think I have any speakers
requests. We have no requests
to speak on those items,
MR. Chair
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. MADAM Clerk, I will move
all of those items.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: second.
Any objection? Those items are
approved. I'd like to go
supplements 94b, d, and h.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94b.
Under supervisor wagner-
approve allocation of $50,000
from third district
discretionary funds to
oc parks for fish stocking and
fishing derby at irvine lake;
make related findings under
government code section 26227;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to negotiate
and enter into agreement as
necessary; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94d.
Under supervisor wagner-
approve allocation of $18,500
from third district
discretionary funds to
crescent elementary pta for
creation of student wellness
space at crescent elementary school,
anaheim hills; make related
findings under government code
section 26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
s94h. Supervisor wagner-
approve allocation of $300,000
from third district
discretionary funds to
veteran strong usa to expand
services and support for orange
county veterans and their
families; make related findings
under government code section
26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
and we have no requests to speak
on those items.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Any objection? Those
items are approved. 94n through
u as well as supplement 94bb.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94n.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $50,000 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
city of laguna beach for a
helopod2; make related findings
under government code section
26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94o.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $5,000 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
environmental nature center for
the traveling naturalist
program; make related findings
under government code section
26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94p.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $25,000 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
pacific chorale for music
education programming; make
related findings under
government code section 26227;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to negotiate
and enter into agreement as
necessary; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94q.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $10,000 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
newport harbor lawn bowling
association for clubhouse
facility repairs; make related
findings under government code
section 26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94r.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $37,000 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
boys & girls club of laguna
beach for the jazz up the gym
project; make related findings
under government code section
26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94s.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $8,500 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
newport-mesa schools foundation
for grants to teachers program;
make related findings under
government code section 26227;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to negotiate
and enter into agreement as
necessary; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94t.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $250,000 from
fifth district discretionary
funds to planned parenthood
orange and san bernardino
counties, inc. For contraceptive
access; make related findings
under government code section
26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94u.
Under vice chair foley-approve
allocation of $6,000 from fifth
district discretionary funds to
san clemente elks lodge #2068
for pendleton pantry 2; make
related findings under
government code section 26227;
authorize county executive
officer or designee to negotiate
and enter into agreement as
necessary; and authorize
auditor-controller or designee
to make related payments
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94bb.
Under vice chair foley-approve
sponsorship of various nonprofit
entities from fifth district
events funds; approve addition
or revision of events to fy
2026-27 county events calendar;
make related findings under
government code section 26227;
and authorize auditor-controller
to make related payments
MR. Chair, we've received two
requests to speak on s94t.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm
sorry, which?
>>clerk, robin stieler: 94t.
Two requests.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Please call those speakers
>>clerk, robin stieler: kate and
california precinct activators.
>>speaker: good morning. I
think planned parenthood really
supports women and girls, first
of all. Planned parenthood
consistently opposes informed
consent laws, and they call it
biased or a barrier to abortion.
Planned parenthood encourages
sex selection abortion. Planned
parenthood lobbies in favor of
child marriage. Yes, child
marriage, and at least 48 minors
have been subjected to marriage
practices since 2017 to avoid a
loophole, to avoid pros cushion
for statutory rape. Under --
there was an undercover
investigation in 2011 where the
planned parenthood employee not
only failed to report suspected
sex trafficking.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, your time is up
>>speaker: this should be a "no"
vote for planned parenthood.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>clerk, robin stieler:
MR. Chair, after california
precinct activators, there is
one more speaker, ale
>>chair, doug chaffee: please
call that speaker
>>speaker: okay, maximum law, he
who is in the womb is considered
born whenever his benefit is
concerned. Since 1973 we have
planned parenthood -- since roe
v. Wade, they have aborted 64
million babies. Islam is having
approximately 5 to 10 babies per
man. What do you think this
someplace gonna look like in a
few years? Okay? Now, how nice
to spend $250,000 of your
discretionary money,
MS. Foley -- how nice. How
nice. How nice. What
guarantees are you providing the
citizens -- excuse me, the
people of orange county that
this money is not going to be
used towards more abortions?
You can give us a guarantee that
this is only going to be used
for your supposed pill? Can I
get that in writing? By what
authority do you have to -- to
blatantly, to just callously
allow $250,000 of taxpayer money
to be spent.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
for your comment. Okay.
Supervisor nguyen, had you a
comment
>>clerk, robin stieler:
MR. Chair, one more speaker.
The speaker is ale. Ale
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
another speaker?
>>clerk, robin stieler:
speaker's not present.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: I'd like to
record an abstention on s94t and
s94bb. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor wagner?
>>don wagner: thank you. And
I'm a no on 94t. Thank you..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
move all of the items that were
read by the clerk.
>>chair, doug chaffee: noting
the no vote and also the
abstentions. Any objection?
>>clerk, robin stieler: we need
a second
>>vincente sarmiento: I'll
second it.
>>chair, doug chaffee: did you
catch all of the abstentions?
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes. I
did. Thank you very much..
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. So the items are
approved dually noting the no
vote and the abstentions, as
well. Now I'd like to move on
to supplement 94I.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94I.
Approve allocation of $500,000
from first district
discretionary funds to
the city of garden grove for
residents affected by gkn
aerospace hazardous materials
incident; make related findings
under government code section
26227; authorize county
executive officer or designee to
negotiate and enter into
agreement as necessary; and
authorize auditor-controller or
designee to make related payments
we have no requests to speak on
s94I.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. This is to
allocate one-time funding to the
city of garden grove to provide
relief to the residents that
were affected in the hazmat
incident. I want to make sure
that's publically known that I
too also want to make sure that
gkn fully reimburse and makes
everybody whole. This is
because that process could take
a little longer, and not that I
agree with that. I don't.
However, the last funding that
was given to united way, the $3
million within a week or so, so
I think this would assist and
help those individuals who was
not able to access those fund
ickes to get the funding
immediately. This is also,
though, to -- making sure that
we as a county, when we receive
our settlement or our
reimbursement from gkn, that we
bring this $500,000 back to make
it whole so that this is just
right now to allocate it so that
it can get out there immediately
for those residents and help.
And so I want to make sure that
this does come back and restore
to the funding -- to our funding
so that we can continue to help
our district. But right now I
want to make sure that this gets
out there immediately to help
those residents. And those who
received fund forecast united
way will not receive this
funding. Garden grove is
committed to working with united
way to make -- to
cross-reference those
individuals so that we can add
additional 1,000 more
individuals to help them instead
of giving duplicate fundings to
individuals. Thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. And I'll move the
item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. I heard a second from
vice-chair. Is there any
objection? Seeing none, thank
you for taking a whack at needs
over there for this tragedy. I
would like to move on to
supplement 94aa.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94aa.
Approve sponsorship of various
nonprofit entities from second
district events funds; approve
addition or revision of events
to fy 2026-27 county events
calendar; make related findings
under government code section
26227; and authorize
auditor-controller to make
related payments
we have no requests to speak on
s94aa
>>vincente sarmiento: move the
item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going
to second it
>>janet nguyen: I'll record an
abstention, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. The item is approved.
Now we're going to go back up to
supplement 94c.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94c.
under county executive office-
appoint cornelius hericus (Kc)
Roestenberg as interim county
executive officer; approve
employment agreement, effective
6/26/26 ($430,000 annual salary
with total compensation $656,968
including benefits)
And we have no requests to speak
on this item.
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
all-district item. County
counsel I think has a comment
>>leon page: as the school board
aware, before the board takes
final action on the compensation
to be paid to a local agency
executive, an oral report is
required. In this instance
before you is a proposed
employment agreement for casey
rosenberg to serve as the
interim county executive
officer. Compensation is set at
$430,000 annually
, and MR. Rosenberg will receive
the same benefits that are
generally provided to other
executive management employees.
Thank you..
>>chair, doug chaffee:
vice-chair foley.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I think
supervisor nguyen, did you move
the item
>>janet nguyen: I did.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
second. And I want to welcome
MR. Rosenberg to the positions
of ceo. Be careful what you ask
for. But MR. Rosenberg brings
two decades of county experience
and knowledge of county
operations. We know that's been
shadowing our ceo for a few
weeks and getting a lot of the
briefings under his belt. So we
look forward to working with
you. The summer is going to be
a lot of work to get prepared
for the fall. So thank you so
much for being willing to serve.
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Thank you. I'll join
saying congratulations and thank
you for stepping pickup is there
any objection? Seeing none, and
the contract is approved. Now
we go to supplement 94e.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94e.
Under vice chair foley-direct
oc public works staff to develop
public notice requirements for
proposed herbicide or pesticide application
and MR. Chair, we've received
two requests to speak on s94e
>>chair, doug chaffee: call the
speakers please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: bethany
helms and axle eaton.
>>speaker: my name is bethany
with creek team and I'm speaking
today about transparency. The
public has a right to know when
herbicides are being applied in
their communities. Residents
use creek trails every day.
Families walk them, children
play near them, dog owners,
cyclists, bird watchers and
volunteers spend countless hours
in these public spaces. We are
heard that people are not
supposed to be in the creeks and
they're not affected, yet I
personally documented your
contractor spraying vegetation
less than 10 feet from a public
trail on a windy day. This
absolutely affects residents.
This isn't just about decency.
This is about liability. For
years, residents have had no
idea when or where herbicides
were being applied. Had they
known, they MAY have chosen to
avoid those areas. Transparency
should not be optional. If
herbicides are being sprayed in
public space, there should be
clear notification through
signage and online disclosures.
It is about the public's trite
make informed decisions. I urge
the forward about vote yes on
public notification. This is
your opportunity to show the
public how much you actually
value them. Thank you..
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. MAY we have the next
speaker, please.
>>speaker: good afternoon,
supervisors. My name is axle
eaton. On behalf of -- in
regard to item 94e, this issue
is no longer partisan. It's
about public trust and basic
transparency. Across california
neighboring counties are
investing billions of dollars to
reconnect people with the rivers
and public spaces. Los angeles
has committed over $1 billion to
restore the L.A. River with
strong emphasis on reducing
pesticide use, improving habitat
and creating places where
families can gather with 20
seconds left, let's see what I
can show. Transparency is a
critical part of that future for
us and for you to leave a legacy
in orange county where people
can engage with their waterways.
In 2025, a scientific paper
that monsanto relied on for
years to safeguard the guy foss
say the and other pesticides
were not toxic has been
retracted. In 2026 in D.C. A
bill was passed to prevent
liability from giving -- from
being given to monsanto on
pesticides that they create.
This is no longer partisan.
This is bipartisan. I
respectfully ask for your report
on -- for your support on item
95.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Thank you.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
brought this item back because
residents continue to ask for
basic transparency regarding
herbicides or pest islands in
public spaces. I have addressed
the -- pesticides in public
spaces. I take these concerns
very seriously, of course. So
this item is focused on public
notice, not employee deployment
details. It directs staff to
develop a responsible noticing
policy so residents can know the
product being used, the purpose,
the general area, the date range
and who to contact for
questions. We can provide that
information without disclosing
individual employee schedules or
creating unnecessary risks for
field staff. A public notice a
reasonable request and a
reasonable step that the county
can take, especially as we move
forward with the pilot projects
at san juan and trabuco creek
and review our integrated pest
management plan. I think we can
protect our close and still
instill transparency with the
public. With that, I move the
item.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: yes.
Thank you, MR. Chair. You know,
I'm supportive of the item. I
just want to make sure, you
know, we're clear there aren't
any unintended consequences of
this. The fact that, you know,
it will have, you know, no
impact that we're not looking
at. So, you know, the whole
idea of a feasible or
reasonable, you know, definition
of that, I'm not sure if
MR. Onuma maybe can come forward
and just walk us through some of
this.. And MR. Onuma, as
you're walking down, some of my
concerns are just with, you
know, delays, making sure that
there's going to be consistent
application, notices won't be
selective or random. I'm just
trying to see if there's
anything that you see here. Do
you think you covered everything
that you MAY see on the horizon?
>>speaker: CHAIRMAN Chaffee,
members of the board, kevin
onuma, orange county public
works. If the policy is to
develop this notice, if that's
the policy decision, we're going
to work up the details. I don't
know what those details will
look like. But, you know, this
goes through, you know, all of
the requirements. The location,
product being used, so on.
>>vincente sarmiento: is there
anything that you see that isn't
included in there that should be
or maybe something that's
included in there that should be
removed or stricken?
>>speaker: I don't think there's
anything missing or anything
else that needs to be added. As
a part of this, a consideration
that will make -- that we'll
make is -- we'll have is whether
or not we need look at measures
for site security and/or staff
safety. In case there's
protests or anything like that.
>>vincente sarmiento: so I guess
what you're saying is that --
could this notice trigger some
dangerous condition for some of
the staff or employees?
>>speaker: it's possible but we
don't know.
>>vincente sarmiento: okay.
That's true of anything, right,
that we provide notice for. So
what's your suggestion? How
would you proceed, I guess, once
this is expwhremented, assuming
it does
>>speaker: there was an
application I think that was
being done in APRIL and some
members of the public showed up.
My understanding is it went
into an area that was close to
the public. It was an access
road that's closed. It's not
the trail, and that people, you
know, went into that closed-off
area. So because of that, we've
had discussions with the
sheriff's department. We're
looking into options for private
security companies, and maybe it
will pan out that we don't need
it. But it's just an unknown
right now.
>>vincente sarmiento: okay. So,
you know, I guess we want to do
the right thing. I think the
public certainly doesn't want to
put the employees at risk. I
don't think that's the goal. I
think the goal is to make sure
that the public has, you know,
notice in advance of, you know,
any sort of maintenance, any
sort of, you know, spraying,
anything else that could occur.
But we have to balance it with
the interest of the safety of
the employees to make sure that
nobody is going to be harmed,
right, as they do their work.
So that's my concern, is that we
have to, you know -- it's not as
easy as saying let's just do a
noticing, you know, a public
noticing requirement here. We
also want to make sure that, you
know, we anticipate and forecast
the potential cost of making
sure that we ensure the safety
of the staff and employees who
will be working at the site.
And I'm not sure if that's been,
you know, documented or has that
been, you know -- has that been
part of the analysis here, is
that something you plan to do?
>>speaker: it's part of what we
plan to do. It's a part of
this. We're also looking at --
noticing that other counties or
special districts or agencies
do, because, you know, we can
learn a lot by looking at what
other do. So that will be a
part of us developing this
>>vincente sarmiento: that's
great. As we work on this going
forward, again, I'm supportive.
I just think that there's a lot
of questions, and I would ask to
you look at what, you know,
quantifying maybe some
anticipated costs in the event
that you see some safety
measures that need to be
included. Also, just making
sure that if there are any
delays that are going to be
caused as a result of the
noticing as well. And
anything -- any other
contingencies that you MAY see
here. But thank you.
Appreciate the responses..
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor nguyen
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. Do we currently
provide any notice?
>>speaker: there is notice
required by the department of
pesticide regulation
>>janet nguyen: so we do --
because there's a statement that
says that we don't provide any
notices at all. My
understanding is we do within
the regulation of the department
of pesticide regulation, which
requires us to provide advanced
notice to any individual who MAY
enter the treated area.
Correct?
>>speaker: I believe that the
--
>>speaker: hi, edward fondoso,
oc public works. One notice is
the annual notification to any
public agencies that MAY enter
the work area, and then there's
a second notification required
for any individuals who MAY
enter the work area
>>janet nguyen: so it's not that
we don't. Now, this proposal is
adding additional notification.
So I just want to make sure that
we're -- it's clarified that
there is current notification.
Might not be what -- be liked.
And so that's what you're look
at. And then the public is
currently restricted from going
to the bottom of the flood
control channels, correct?
Because it's unsafe, right?
>>speaker: that's correct. Yes.
>>janet nguyen: that's it.
Thank you.
>>don wagner: we already provide
notice. I'm not sure what the
problem is we're here trying to
solve because we already provide
notice under probably both
federal and state permits. And
we're spraying them in areas
where the public is not allowed
to go. And we have experience
in this county with the
public -- the creek team
members, I believe it was, going
into the channels to harass and
stop spraying that we were doing
there. So all we're doing is
giving them another opportunity
to know when and where and
harass our staff, and a make
county has had protestors who
have disrupted the spraying, to
my understanding. Is that
right?
>>speaker: I'm not aware of
whatever's going on in the
neighboring counties.
>>don wagner: so the -- what do
we get with this policy besides
more potential cost for
enforcement when we -- we
already give the notices out
because they're required under
the permits?
>>speaker: so to clarify about
the notice, it's an annual
notice that's done. And then
because of the treatments that
we do are on the bottom of the
channel, which is no trespassing
areas, basically the
notifications that we do is
mainly to, I think the vector
control district, because they
have the authority, ability to
go into areas like that, even
though they're marked as no
trespassing. But in general,
there's no general noticing
other than the annual notice
because it's in the close-off
area
>>don wagner: there's no public
>>speaker: yes
>>don wagner: all right. Well,
what about this we're spraying
it within 10 feet or 5 feet and
the wind blowing
>>speaker: so because of that,
and supervisor foley brought
this up, we're looking at -- I
don't know if we've implemented
it yet because we haven't
resumed herbicide work. We're
looking at notices to put up on
any adjacent public trails that
we're working in an adjacent
area. But that's more for
information like informational
signs
>>don wagner: so what do we get
with this policy? Just what the
speaker said, increased
transparency
>>don wagner: but you're working
on that notice anyway
>>speaker: it's an annual notice
that we do --
>>don wagner: this is non-public
areas
>>speaker: yes.
>>chair, don wagner: okay. You
can't say what we get other than
the --
>>don wagner: you can't say what
we get other than the extra
costs? Thank you...
>>chair, doug chaffee: back to
vice-chair.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you, MR. Onuma. I -- you know,
we have expressed concern about
the guerrilla tactics that were
being used. And part of the
reason why I'm bringing this
forward is so that we can
prevent that type of response.
And a lot of what I've been
hearing is that people are sort
of taking the measures into
their own hands, which we don't
want them to do, because they
don't have notice and they just
suddenly see people out there
spraying, and they haven't had a
chance to avoid the area as an
example. So this board, we
pride ourselves on transparency
and disclosure. The notice that
is being used currently as you
indicated is only going to the
vector controller to maybe some
public agencies, and I think
it's by email, right? Or
maybe -- like by mail. It's not
a public noticing where the
public would have knowledge
about that. Is that right? Is
that a yes? Yeah. Okay. And
so that's what this agenda item
is intended to solve for, is to
get the public notice, because a
good example -- the san juan
creek. If there were to be
herbicides sprayed there, along
that bike trail, walking trail,
right behind it is residential
neighborhoods. Their backyards.
I mean, it's very tight.
You're talking about a 5 foot,
10 foot setback between where
there might be work being done
that caused herbicides to be
sprayed in the public area. And
so I think that was the concern
that people had, is that there
was no notice to give them an
opportunity to avoid the area
even if they wanted to. So I'm
hopeful that my colleagues can
sport item and direct staff to
develop the noticing
requirements. It's not going to
hurt to have the public
notified. This is a concern
that the public has started to
express more and more. We had
been using chemicals as if they
were okay because someone said
they were okay. And I think
that the science is changing,
and it's not okay. And so
giving people the notice to
allow them to make decisions
about their own lives is
something that I would support,
and I hope my colleagues do, as
well. With that, I move the
item..
>>chair, doug chaffee: I think
we've got a second all right.
Yeah. We did. Supervisor
wagner?
>>don wagner: I'll just start by
saying it is just, in my mind,
patent nonsense that these
guerrilla tactics that our
employees have suffered through
is because of a lack of notice.
No, it's because of the
spraying. And the spray
something done pursuant to state
and federal law. The spray
something done at levels that
are below what state and federal
law permit, and the spray
something done in places that
the public is exexplicitly
excluded from because it is
dangerous. It is dangerous not
just because of these chemicals,
but for lots of other reasons.
So the idea that notices are
somehow going to say, all right,
if you've given me notice, you
can go ahead and spray all of
these pesticides, I mean, that
is just patently false and a
will.
Misreading of what has been
going on out in the creeks. It
also sounds to me like public
works is trying to come up with
a notice that is in addition to
and supplemental of what is
required under state and federal
law. Great. I would encourage
them to do that. I guess this
item provides some formalism for
that effort. So, you know, all
right. More notice. More
transparency. Fine. What I do
worry about is that it gives the
bad actors out there the
opportunities to target our
employees. I'm a little bit
more robust -- they target our
employees a little bit more
robustly, a little bit more
deliberately because they'll
have knowledge of where they
will be and when they will be
there. But at the end of the
day, if the public is looking
for this notice and if our staff
is going to try to develop
something in nifnt, we might as
well do this. It is a solution
in search of a problem. It is
potentially increasing danger to
our workforce, but public works
is gonna do it. Let's do it and
see how it works out. We can
always revisit it later..
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
MR. Chair. I'll be brief. As
we look at this again, and I do
think that the notice that right
now is -- or that we do, which
is an annual, is insufficient in
my opinion. I think, you know,
we do want to improve on that.
That is a very low bar. But I
think if we can work on this
whole -- you know, I think the
premise of this makes sense.
I'm supportive. But I think
it's a little unclear, and it's
a little vague when it comes to
public notice where feasible. I
don't know what that means. So
if we can just get some clarity
on that, you know, as we go
through this, just so we're, you
know -- so we have a better
understanding, it's not quite so
ambiguous, but certainly is
something that to me is
important. So thank you..
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. My own comments, I share
the concerns about employees
being harassed and ask county
counsel do we have any
protective ordinances should our
employees be larked? If you
don't know, that's fine we can
get to that later.
>>leon page: protective
ordinances, I'm not aware of
anything like that. If a crime
occurred in connection with
ongoing spraying, the deputy
sheriffs on site or the
sheriff's department in general
would get involved.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. We
MAY look at that as well. So I
think the concept is a little
different than they had no
notices which are not public
notices at all really. So I
think something here is needed.
But I'm not sure how extensive
it needs to be. But I will go
along with this and approve it.
We'll see if it comes back.
This is not the -- we have to
come back and approve it, I
assume. It's not just the final
product, but you develop it, in
order for it to be effective, it
has to come back. I think
that's intention along with all
of the other studies you're
doing anyway. So do we need --
have a descent here? Okay. All
right. It's been moved and
seconded. Is there any
objection? All right. It does
pass unanimously. Thank you.
We go on to supplement 94f.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94f.
Under sheriff-coroner-approve
amendment 1 to renew contract
ma-060-25010599 with waters
technologies corporation dba
waters chromatography corp. For
service, preventative
maintenance and consumables for
orange county crime lab's liquid
chromatography mass
spectrometers, 7/14/26-7/13/27
($325,000; cumulative total
$625,000); renewable for three
additional one-year terms; and
authorize county procurement
officer or deputized designee to
execute amendment
we have no requests to speak on
s94f
>>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
district 2 item. Any objection?
Motion carries. 94g.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94g.
Under supervisor wagner-orange
county human relations
commission-appoint ilana
meirovitch, coto de caza, for
term concurrent with 3rd
district supervisor'
s term of
office (Click for files)
S94h. Supervisor wagner-
-- we have no requests to speak
on s94g
>>don wagner: this is to replace
rabbi steinberg on the
commission. I want to thank him
again for his service and thank
MS. M for stepping up and thank
d5 for concurrence on this one.
I'll move the item.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
second. I really enjoyed
working with ilana
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded. Seeing no objection.
Item is approved.. Supplement
94j.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94j.
Under chair chaffee-orange
county workforce development
board-appoint anastasia rose
zamora-ortiz, yucaipa, to
complete term ending 12/31/27;
and approve waiver of residency
requirements (Click for files)
S94k. Oc waste & recycling-
approve amendments to exclusive
franchise agreements for
discarded materials management
services; and authorize director
or designee to execute
amendments and make minor
changes under certain conditions
we have no requests to speak.
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is
my item, I'll move it. Moved
and seconded. Any objection?
Item is approved. Thank you.
We go to supplement 94k.
S94k. Oc waste & recycling-
approve amendments to exclusive
franchise agreements for
discarded materials management
services; and authorize director
or designee to execute
amendments and make minor
changes under certain conditions
we have no requests to speak.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
all-district item. Moved and
seconded. Any objection? Item
is approved. Supplement 94v.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94v.
Under clerk of the board-
approve revised board of
supervisor's rules of procedure
to include new brown act
requirements and other
administrative changes. We have
no requests to speak. Is.
>>chair, doug chaffee:
vice-chair foley.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: rule
number 48 is being proposed to
be updated to reduce the comment
time from three minutes to 2
minutes. However, I think that
should be left to the discretion
of the chair, like it currently
is now, instead of it being
codified. We should keep it at
three minutes, in other words.
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. What do we say as to
that, other supervisors?
Supervisor wagner?
>>don wagner: well, having
this -- this has been thought
through, looked at, I don't have
a problem with that change. And
it is always at distress of the
chair to cut or, I suppose, can
expand in cases where
appropriate. So I don't see a
point to pick any of these rules
individually. I'd leave it as
propped.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
withdraw my second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
second as proposed. Any other
comments.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: no.
I withdraw my second because I
don't support codifying that we
will go from 3 minutes to 2
minutes, and that becomes the
new rule. Everyone gets 2
minutes and then the chair has
discretion whether they get
less. So that's why.
>>chair, doug chaffee: the chair
could make it more too. All
right. I will second the item.
Is there any objection?
Vice-chair, do you wish to
register a no.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,
I'll register a no on that. Can
I register a no on that section
or do I vote no on the whole
thing? Because I support the
change. I mean, it's state law.
We have to change it. The only
thing we're not changing as it
relates to state law is that
we've reduced the time that the
public has to talk to us, which
I don't support.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. Is
that all right just to note that
objection to that?
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes
>>chair, doug chaffee: so noted.
Supervisor sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank
you, MR. Chair. I'm going to
also on the record oppose that
change for the time limit for
speakers to have. To me,th
always when you reduce it, much
more difficult to expand the
time for people to speak rather
than contract it. So I'd rather
have our default be three
minutes as we've always had that
standard at most public
meetings. We will be an outlier
again to reduce it to 2. If we
need to go to 2 just like we had
to today, we had to go to 1,
that's up to the chair's
discretion when we had a very
busy agenda. So I don't agree
we having our default contracted
from three minutes to 2..
>>chair, doug chaffee: back to
supervisor wagner
>>don wagner: briefly, this
didn't come out of the blue.
The fact is state law has
changed, requiring a much more
robust, interactive, virtual
opportunity to speak. And
supervisor nguyen and I both
have had an opportunity for
example to serve on the south
coast air quality management
district where they have for a
long time allowed that type of
participation, and you can have
public comments that reach up to
four and five hours, in my
experience. And you've been
there a little bit longer. And
so what we're trying to do here,
what make the most sense to me,
is -- because when we cut down
the amount of time, we always
get speakers who are -- you
know, we had two that needed to
be removed by the sheriff at our
last meeting. And so set bar at
2 because we've got a whole new
environment with these virtual
call-ins, evaluate it after a
certain period if we want to.
We can always do that. But we
are much better off, in my
mind -- and the reason for the
rule change, is that we're going
to have a new environment. And
what we don't want to do is
unnecessarily cause people to
say, oh, you're just shutting me
down or have to have a sheriff
come out or have to hang up on
somebody. We try to avoid all
of those problems by being
proactive right now and, if more
time is needed or if there
aren't the volume of speakers
that some people worry about, we
can deal with it on the fly..
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, supervisor nguyen?
>>janet nguyen: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. I actually on the
mindset of allowing the chair to
make that discretion and/or
maybe we talked about the online
because supervisor wagner is
correct, at aqmd we have
sometimes the difference between
public speaking timeframe and
also online. We did -- had a
meeting that went for six hours,
and two or three hours of that
was just online. And people
called from all over the state
of california, not just in the
effected area that we represent
at aqmd but all over california,
all overnight nation, as well.
And so I think, you know,
allowing the CHAIRMAN Of or
CHAIRWOMAN To make that decision
moving forward, I would be more
comfortable and not capped us
immediately at this time and
have that flexibility whether,
you know, when we do transition
to the new system, having it
online, as well, as to allow the
chair to decide, okay, if it's,
you know -- we've -- I've
actually been on, I think it was
like 30 seconds at aqmd because
we had hundreds and hundreds of
people calling in. I think it
should be up to the discretion
of the chair. And so I'm not
opposed to the two. I'm not
opposed to the three, but I
cannot -- I don't want to go to
just capping it at two right
now. I think we stay where
we're at and then allow the
chair to make that discretion.
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Well, I'm not sure where we're
at. I support the 2 minutes.
Because you can't tell when
people call in how long they
might speak. You probably
didn't hear the admonition in
the first place. So I think
some standard should be there.
And I've been involved in
meetings too where we have
people calling in and now it has
to be online, and it's more than
that, you have to make certain
the connections there.
Sometimes you have a delay in
even making the connection. So
it takes a lot more time to do
these kinds things.. Back to
vice-chair.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'm
not concerned about cutting off
the person at designated time.
It's actually easier to do
online. The city of costa mesa
during the pandemic, we went to
online and they have remained
online. And sometimes they have
one person show up. Sometimes
they have 20. Just depends on
the issue at council meeting.
But the way the system is set up
is that it automatically cuts
off at the 3-minute mark
>>chair, doug chaffee: no, they
have to -- you have to remind
them.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: the
clerk cuts it off automatically
at 3 minute mark.
>>chair, doug chaffee: that's
not what we're doing here.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,
that seems to me that that's
what most all of the other
organizations that utilize
online, they have an automatic
cut-off -- is that right,
MS. Styleler?
>>clerk, robin stieler: the
virtual calls does not have an
automatic but we will have a
timer to monitor the time where
I can stop the speaker at the
time.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: so
then you or your staff can
automatically move to the next
person
>>clerk, robin stieler: yes.
>>leon page: and the L.A. County
board of supervisors only allows
1 minute.
>>clerk, robin stieler: there's
no designation. It's the same
across the board.
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have a
motion to accept the document as
presented and a couple
supervisors who object to one
part of the item. So I don't
know. Do we need to call the
roll here? Go ahead, call the
roll. We have a motion, moved
and seconded.. There's 3 of us
who want to keep it at three
minutes
>>don wagner: I'll withdraw.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
I'll move the recommended
action with three minutes..
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay, I
will object to that myself, to
that part of the item. But the
rest I agree to. And looks like
we have un anymore mitt on all
of the rest. So with that,
we'll move on, unanimity on all
of the rest. Supplement 94x.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94x.
Under supervisor sarmiento-
orange county cemetery district
-appoint donna marsh peery, tustin,
to complete term ending 1/3/28
and we have no requests to
speak.
>>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
seconded, any objection? Item
is approved. We come to
supplement 94z.
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94z.
Under county executive office-
approve new ground lease
agreements with dphp hotels, llc
including full service hotel
ground lease and select-service
hotel ground lease for hotel
component, with dana point
harbor partners, llc for
commercial core and marina component,
and with dana point harbor
partners drystack, llc for
drystack components of dana
point harbor revitalization
project, 66-year terms; approve
memorandum of understanding
(Mou) With dana point harbor
partners, llc for intention to
negotiate lease and lease
amendment at oc sailing & events
center within 180 days; and
authorize chief real estate
officer or designee to
execute lease agreements,
amendments, mou and related
documents under certain conditions
and MR. Chair, we've received
six requests to speak on s94z..
>>chair, doug chaffee: please
call the speakers
>>clerk, robin stieler: mayor
john gabard and eubanks and lisa
h, please come forward.
>>speaker: chair, supervisors,
I'm john cab done, mayor of dana
point. The harbor is owned by
all of us but managed by and
governed by u-5, and I need your
help. I'm here in support of
advancing the dana point harbors
hotel projects. The hotels
represent a major economic
opportunity for the county and
the city of dana point. Beyond
the revenue this project will
generate jobs and increase
economic activity and elevate
dana point's harbor in what is
poseed to be a premier harbor
for the west coast. I must
express my concern that with the
proposed hotel lease access
right provision, quite simply
the provision threatens to
deliver these hotels and will
cause an $80 million loss in
dana point revenues. We have
seen abuse by county officials
and county employees before in
the harbor hotels. That history
underscores the need for clear,
enforceable standards to prevent
abuse and misuse. Accordingly,
I respectfully urge the board to
support the hotel changes and
revise the hotel lease to align
with the market standards
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, sir.
>>speaker: thank you.
>>speaker: I'm anne eubanks from
allysa viejo. I'm PRESIDENT Of
the dana point boaters
association. I had some
comments to make on the lease
today but decided for
clarification of transparency of
the board, wanted to pose two
questions. This agenda item was
supposedly added late friday
afternoon, but when checking the
agenda on sunday on the board of
supervisors' web site to didn't
show up. It wasn't until monday
morning, yesterday, that it
could be viewed by the public.
My question is, does this meet
brown act requirements if it's
not viewable by the public
within 72 hours of the meeting?
And since this is a 66-year
lease of public land use, I
believe extended notice is
required of 10-plus days or
more. Can you advise what was
the procedure used for extended
proper notification? Using
supervisor sarmiento's words,
this agenda item up here appears
to be all 11th hour. If
improper notice was used, then
this could invalidate actions
today. So I don't.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am.
>>speaker: thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: and the
last three speakers, please come
forward, kate, joe, and bob
olson.
>>speaker: you are asking this
board to approve a 66-year
master ground lease, a decision
that will define the harbor for
two generations after dropping
the documents on the public at
7:22 A.M. The monday before the
meeting with the excuse that
they were still being finalized.
Let's be clear, this is not
governance. This is a
deliberate attempt to bypass
public scrutiny. I have
reviewed the minutes for every
dana point harbor oversight
advisory committee meeting in
2026. This committee is touted
by the fifth district as the
central hub for transparency. I
saw nothing in there about
combining all four of these
contracts into one signing here
today. We need leadership in
district 5 that restores
accountability. I am submitting
a formal request for due
diligence regarding item s94z.
I'm demanding you explain why
the oversight committee was
bypassed and why this 66-year
deal is being rushed through
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>speaker: thank you.
>>speaker: hello. I'm joe, the
marine partner of dana point
harbor partners. We're really
excited about this project. We
have a goal of being completed
before the olympics, and that's
the goal of this item here. It
allows us to preserve the grand
pries we have with our current
lender, pack life, and allows us
to move forward with the hotels.
i look forward to your support.
Thank you..
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
you.
>>speaker: good morning. This
county has made a total disaster
of the renovations of the
harbor. It has become dana
point's train to nowhere. From
the beginning it took years to
approve the design, then they
selected design that has no
architectural integrity, which
is to the area which is a
travesty. The cost overruns and
decisions to outsource
construction of the moorings is
another example of fraud and
waste. The uncertainty and
delays to businesses and marine
communities has been devastated.
Now they want to give away more
money due to their
mismanagement. The board of
supervisors have been
responsible for all of this for
the past 15 years. Thank you.
>>speaker: hi, my name is bob
olson. I am the -- one of
partners of dana point harbor
partners, rd olson, and in
charge of hotels. Just to tell
you a little bit, one of our
hotels -- both of our hotels
have gone through coastal
commission, six years through
the process. We have -- are
providing one of the hotels as
an affordable rate hotel, which
is rate restricted, will be the
first privately-financed hotel
such like that. Additionally,
we are providing social justice
programs through our hotels at
the site. Also working with the
county on that. There is one
provision that we're requesting
to remove from our -- the lease.
I think it's reasonable
request. We do not have a
lender on board yet, and we will
need to have their support to
make this happen. Thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further speakers, MR. Chair..
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Yes, thank you. I had it passed
out and don't know -- dph
recommended action.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'm going to make
a motion related to that. I
wanted you to have it, but first
I have a question for MR. Page.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay. I
was just now reading it.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
just passed it out to you, yes
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
MR. Page, there was a concern
expressed that we needed 10-days
in order to hear this item
because of the 66-year lease.
I'm just parroting what the
public said. You can please
advise.
>>leon page: I'm not aware of
that requirement. With respect
to the brown act's in thing
requirements, as the school
board aware, each and every item
of business ought to be
transacted or discussed by the
board, has to be published on a
notice agenda 72 hours in
advance of the meeting. And I'm
looking at agendas for this
meeting, and it was last updated
6:19-2026 at 4:20 P.M. So that's
in compliance with the 72-hour
requirement. The requirement
does not apply with attachments.
That's often the case with
county business. We have the
recommended actions in place.
We have the items of businesses
to be trance acted or discussed
described. But we still might
be making, you know, a tweak to
an attachment, and that's
standard practice..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you. MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>chair, doug chaffee: yes, go
ahead.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
you. So I remain excited about
the harbor and the
revitalization project. It's
going to bring a lot of jobs, a
lot of revenue. It's improving
the water quality. It's
modernizing an area that is in
desperate need of modernization,
and for the last three years
since I joined the board as the
district 5 representative, I've
really tried to be an asset, an
ally and a supporter of moving
the project forward. I know
alyssa napori and my -- in my
office and I have worked a lot
on getting the coastal
commission permitting, making
sure that all of the boater
questions are answered,
developing good working
relationships with all of the
stakeholder groups. But, of
course, you can't please
everyone. And my concern is
that -- I'm very concerned with
the mayor's comments. I'll just
say that. I thought that was a
little over the top. But for
the board's awareness and for
the public's awareness, in an
effort to what I would consider
correct, the development
agreement that was approved by a
prior board, you know, nearly 10
years ago, we, working with
county real estate and the ceo's
office -- we really tried to get
more public benefit for the
residents and the visitors of
the harbor for the county. And
in exchange for the
consideration of the additional
years, the additional
entitlement. So we tried to get
a higher percentage of rent
payments because we thought that
the contract that was originally
negotiated was low. We tried to
get a minimum annual rent
payment increase based on
financing success, like, for
example, if they refinance upon
closing that financing event,
the minimum rent could increase,
ensuring that the county
receives a fair shaver the
tenants' increased financial
capacity. We tried to shorten
or eliminate the construction
rent abatement periods related
to the annual minimum rent or
percentage rent. As an example,
there's a construction period.
So the delay in the county
receiving funds while the hotels
get into operational mode.
Well, at the time it wasn't
contemplated that the olympics
was coming and that those hotels
would be filled up maybe a lot
more quickly. We tried to get
additional improvements, not
currently covered in the
contract. We requested that
dana point harbor partners make
additional improvements to the
harbor that would benefit the
county. Such improvements to be
upgrades to the common areas,
other enhancements that increase
the value of the property or the
usefulness to the county. We
tried to get support for the oc
c event center modernization.
New harbor patrol docks for the
harbor patrol. The white sea
bass pins. We tried to
negotiate the slip fees, which
has been a very challenging
issue, we tried to get a slip
rate stabilization and a slip
rate formula that would be a
little bit more friendly. There
are elements that we could not
get agreement on, and so we --
the contract that is before you
is what ceo real estate and the
ceo's office was able to
negotiate. And one of those
elements was that the county
would have access, if the county
department heads wanted to have
a meeting in an available
meeting room that's not being
used, that's not being rebelled,
that they could have access --
that's not being rented, that
they could have access and use
that space for free of charge at
public harbor. That was not
agreed to. So I'm just
concerned that in this situation
the principal to whom much
is given, much is required,
seems not to follow. So I've
passed out some edits that --
and a proposal that I have to
address some of the concerns
that have been raised and that
could not get negotiated. And I
would ask that these items be
added to the lease agreement.
And I'll just read it into the
record. So direct ceo real
estate and county counsel, to
revise attachment a, the master
ground lease hotel component
lease with dana harbor partners
llc to require a labor piece
agreement for future hotel
operations at dana point harbor.
A labor peace agreement is a
written agreement between a
hotel employer and the labor
organization that protects hotel
operations from labor disruption
by prohibiting strikes,
picketing, boycotts, worker
stoppages, slowdowns or other
economic activity that would
interfere with the operations.
The requirement does not require
the hotel to be unionized,
compel recognition of any
specific labor organization,
dictate any representation,
outcome or require any party to
violate federal or state labor
law. The reason I'm asking for
this is because I've been
contacted by unite here who has
expressed concern about not
having a plan for the workers
once the building is torn down.
Direct county staff -- number 2,
direct county staff to work with
the current hotelier and develop
our oc workforce solutions and
the state employment development
department to support employees
impacted by the planned hotel
closure and demolition and
create a workforce transition
plan. This work should include
confirmation of any applicable
warrant act notice obligations,
rapid response services, job
placement assistance, retraining
resources, unemployment
insurance information,
coordination with nearby
hospitality employers for
potential reemployment
opportunities and identifying
the number of effected
employees, anticipated closure
timeline and employee
classifications, proposed notice
schedule and available severance
benefits transfer or recall
opportunities. This is
important because the building
will be torn down within the
next three months and -- maybe
four. And so many people are
going to be losing their jobs,
and that has not yet been
addressed in these negotiations.
Number 3, direct ceo real
estate county counsel who revise
attachment b, the master grand
lease commercial corps marina
exoan went dana point harbor
partners llc, section 11.9, to
establish a slip rate
stabilization policy for future
slip rental rate increases after
the JULY 1st, 2026 adjustment,
including the following
requirements. Require any
future slip rate increase to be
submitted to the ceo real estate
office at least 90 days before
the proposed effective date.
Require each proposed slip rate
increase to include a detailed
marina slip survey of comparable
southern california marinas from
santa barbara to san diego with
emphasis on comparable,
publically-owned marinas. Limit
annual slip rate increases to
cumulative change in the
consumer price index and cap any
annual increase at 5% per slip
size category unless a
fifth-year market adjustment
applies. Beginning in 2030,
allow a fifth-year market
adjustment above cumulative cpi
only when supported by a marina
slip survey conducted by a
credentialed appraiser. And
finally require the fifth-year
market survey to include
operable southern california
publically-owned marinas and
prohibit reliance on a single
harbor such as newport beach.
F, cap any fifth-year market
adjustment at 10%. So these are
the additions that I would like
to include in the motion to
approve the staff-recommended
action. And I have one for real
state, as well..
>>chair, doug chaffee:
supervisor wagner
>>don wagner: I will move the
item without the recommendations
that were just dropped on us.
The idea, you know, to whom much
is given much is owed is fine,
and it's right. The suggestion
that the developers throughout
are not in fact giving to the
county, though, is not at all
supported by the record. In
fact, the county stands to
benefit to the tune of millions
of dollars from this proposal,
and the changes that were just
sort of dropped on us, forget
whether they're workable. They
haven't been vetted by anybody
in the first place. I'm certain
it would cause the hoteliers to
spim walk away from the deal
because -- simply walk away from
the deal because you cannot
finance the proposal that they
are trying to finance. You
cannot do what is trying to be
done here to the benefit of the
residents of all of orange
county to the benefit of the
county under these conditions.
This has been a long time
coming. The need to get it done
and get it done now is explained
by MR. Uberroth attempting to
reach the completion prior to
the L.A. Olympics, to benefit
from, to get the advantages to
the county, the city of dana
point that the olympics in our
backyard will give to us, to try
to hold that up now, you know,
frankly goes over the hog line.
Pigs get fat. We've been
negotiating. Pigs get fat, hogs
get slaughtered. This crosses
the hog line to me. The deal is
on the table. The deal has been
worked out very diligently by
staff, and we oughta just and
respect that staff work and
recognize an enormous benefit to
all of the people of orange
county as it stands and the
entire project grinds to a halt
we perhaps start over at ground
zero if we try to negotiate from
the dais and burden this project
as is proposed. So I will move
the recommended action as set
forth in our agenda by staff.
Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN..
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. I'm not sure, do we have
a motion from vice-chair foley
first? Was that a motion? So
we have two motions at moment.
And I would simply express one
concern --
>>don wagner: point of order,
MR. CHAIRMAN, review the tape.
What she said is she would like
to add these to the motion. She
didn't make a motion with
these.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: my
motion at the staff recommended
action
>>don wagner: there was no such
motion and certainly no such
second.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
that's what I said. There might
not have been the second but
definitely made the motion.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I
interpreted that as a motion,
actually, by the vice-chair. In
any case, that's a dilemma at
the moment. So when I looked at
it, I was concerned with demoing
buildings and then the people
who work there will not have a
play-offs employment anymore.
So I was hoping we would
consider calling worker
retention policies similar to
what we have at our airport when
some of the demo was going on
and stuff and it essentially
gives the workers kind of a
right to come back. So when the
project is finished, they have
the first opportunity to be back
on the staff. And so at this
point, neither motion has a
second. I will not sport
vice-chair's addition of these
things so late. I'm not sure
how they fit into the project.
That's where I'm at. Supervisor
sarmiento?
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
MR. Chair. Let me just, you
know, start by thanking matt and
soy la from our ceo -- county's
ceo team for a lot of work on
this. I know it's been
difficult to get to this point
and you had to coordinate work
with a lot of different
opinions. This is a very
special place so, you know, it
merits that time and it merits
that work. But I want to be
clear that I'm very supportive
of the redevelopment of dana
point harbor and the opportunity
to bring these two new hotels
that will create a long-term
economic benefit and revenue not
just to one district, but to the
entire county. This is a county
asset. So to the extent that we
proceed that way, you know, I'm
fully supportive. However, I do
have some concerns with the
timing, with the ability for us
to deliberate thoughtfully.
Somebody want to set my comments
to music. But it's okay. I
don't speak in rhythm. But we
did receive the asr and the
lease documents late friday
afternoon and it does comply
with the 72-hour rule. That
doesn't mean it's a good notice.
It just means it's a technical
notice. And then last night,
the evening before -- with, last
night, before this meeting, we
received some edits from the
developer for the mou and the
lease agreement. I understand
the developer's position.
Everything is always time
sengtive. Time is money when it
comes to trying to underwrite,
you know, a project like this.
I don't think anybody's going
anywhere. This is an important
development project. But I do
believe we need to address some
outstanding items before we take
action. I just saw the language
that was proposed by supervisor
foley. I, you know, just at a
glance, at a perusal, those are
things that I can support, but
that doesn't mean those are
things that we should just
tackle from up here. And I
remember, it's funny, we had a
letter from the commission to
address homelessness, and I
remember, you know, some of the
supervisors saying that they
were outraged to have a letter
before them because it was
delivered the night before, and
here we are with red line
versions of MOUs and lease
agreements, and it's good to go.
So I -- you know, I had think
that we should take the same
responsibility to make sure that
we thoroughly look at these, and
we've had an agenda that's had
over 100 items on it with our
budget. And so to be thoughtful
about tackling something as
immense as this that's going to
incumber us and have us in this
relationship for 66 years is
something that I think we need
more time on. So I know that
the cdp permit requires ej
programs for the underserved
youth, which is something very
important to me. I would like
to see that language also in the
lease so that youth from title 1
schools from the entire county
can benefit from experiencing
this asset. So MR. Miller, if
you can, just, you know, answer
this question from where you're
at or maybe come up to the
podium, it's very short. But he
just want to ask, can you
explain...
It's something that is so
critical at this point that we
need that we look at red line
versions. What are your
thoughts on that?
>>speaker: the time sensitivity
and the fact that we brought
[Pause in captioning]
After we've had a chance to live
with the red line versions and
some of the amendment actions
here. And again, some of my
colleagues mentioned receiving
this at the last moment, that's
not the most thoughtful and
intelligent way to proceed up
here, especially with something
as complicated as and involved
and profound as this. So
MR. Chair, I'll make a third
motion because the first tbro
didn't get a second, to continue
this item so we can have a
chance to understand it better
and come back with a much better
thoughtful recommended action on
all of thee items.
>>janet nguyen: I'm going to
second supervisor wagner's
motion. I guess what I want to
see though is more of a -- maybe
the developer can tell us why
it's urgent, why do you need it
today? Is it a loan thing? I
don't know. It would be helpful
for us to understand the urgency
of it
>>speaker: so we are two years
from the olympics being here in
southern california. And for us
to have a chance, that would
mean we would start demolition
in AUGUST, which is six weeks
from now. And get started on
very complicated projects to
build. Two years to get those
built, it's a risk to get done.
And so one of the hotels sits on
a podium which is a parking
structure and then we build the
building on top of that. So
complicated project but we
are -- so to lose 60 days is
really worrisome in getting it
done
>>janet nguyen: so what I'm
hearing then is that if we don't
approve today, with very to wait
until AUGUST because the next
board meeting is in AUGUST. At
least you have that timeframe
from now to AUGUST to hit the
ground running to start
demolition in AUGUST versus
waiting another two more months
from AUGUST, right
>>speaker: so the schedule
presented -- we presented a
detailed schedule to staff, and
by the way, staff has been
tremendous to work with. But it
shows there's a -- we have to
have a loan in place first. We
can't get a loan first without
understanding what the terms of
the lease are. And so once
the -- once we know what our
lease is, then we request close
our loan. Essentially this
would be a 60-day delay on a
schedule that's already very
tight.
>>janet nguyen: thank you. I
agree with some of what my
colleagues mentioned, this is an
asset to the county and not just
a particular district. When I
was here previously this was the
discussion of this item. It was
very, very contentious back
then, as well. It sounds like
it is still today. And so I do
appreciate the mayor spending
all day with us. So if we don't
have an action today, this will
then now look at a four-month
delay versus just a two-month
delay because of the 60 days,
having to get their loans,
having to do the demo and
et cetera. So I think there is
that urgency. If we don't care
for the olympics, then, you
know, that's something else. I
know we have two of our
colleagues here, supervisor
foley and sarmiento both on the
olympics committee.
. So if
that's the case, then that
throws it out and there's no
urgency then. But what I think,
though, it sounds like we have
been looking at the olympics.
We have been trying to
accommodate and work with the
different public agency, was
octa, different cities, you
know, the business community,
you name it.
The tourism community as well.
So I think, you know, if we can
get this complushed in 24
months, I think would be
valuable -- if we can get it
accomplished in 24 months. I do
have concern though, while I
appreciate and the additional
information or additional
recommendation by supervisor
foley, I think -- it's hard
because this is so complex, it's
very difficult for me to have
to, you know, dive through into
each of these and whether it
works or doesn't work and I want
to hear from real estate staff
as well. So I cannot support
something that's just been
brought to us now. And so
that's why I move forward in
supporting supervisor wagner's
proposal of the current
recommendation by staff.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you. I will second supervisor
sarmiento's motion. But first
we'll hear from supervisor
wagner and I think we do need a
roll call. This is the motion
to accept the staff report
without change
[Calling roll]
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
supervisor wagner.
>>chair, doug chaffee: we're
voting.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: but I
need to ask him a question.
Motion requires 4/5ths. It does
not have it. I'd like to move
on to the motion proposed by
supervisor sarmiento,. This is
a 66-year lease. We want it to
be good for a long time. I'm
not really concerned if it's
ready to the olympics. That
doesn't really matter to me
because of the quality I want to
see put in it, I don't want it
rushed. I want it to be good
for all 66 years of that lease.
So I think all of these things
being literally dumped on us
last minute, I don't know where
to go with some of these things.
I don't understand the need for
some of them or whether they are
appropriate or not, but I had
like some analysis of it before
we have the vote. So we do have
a motion to continue. I do not
believe that requires a 4/5th
vote.. Supervisor foley.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: look,
I could have just made these
additions verbally from the dais
but I thought it would be easier
to read it and that's I wrote it
up. But the reason why I
brought forward the two items
that were late to the workforce
is because this came to my
attention yesterday that we
didn't have a plan for the
workers that are working at the
marina. And so that caused me
some quick concern. That's why
I thought we could put something
together to make sure that we've
directed staff to work on that.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Well, I have that same concern,
and I asked for the airport
worker retention policy, which
we have there. And I think that
kind of would answer that
concern. But that needs to be
studied and considered as well.
.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: the
first item that I passed out is
essentially a mirror of what we
have.
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, I'm
going to.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: can I
comment, MR. CHAIRMAN, please?
Well, I mean, this is an
important project for the
county. And we have been.
>>chair, doug chaffee: another
reason for continuing it to get
it done correctly.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: so
I'm going to ask because we
don't have a date for the
continuance. I know we talked
about having potentially a
meeting in JULY. So is there a
way, MR. Page, that we could
continue it and if we do have a
meeting in JULY, that we
continue it to JULY?
>>leon page: well, in terms of
can the board call for a special
meeting, yes. The mean, the
brown act allows the CHAIRMAN To
call a special meeting anytime
24 hours notice and the board
could call a special meeting.
Of
>>vincente sarmiento: so
MR. Page, just to make my motion
clear, not just a simple
continuance but a continuance to
the next meeting or do I have to
speaks too next special meeting
or regularly-scheduled meeting?
>>leon page: well, as of right
now, there's no special meeting
on calendar. I suppose you
could include that with your
motion. You could identify a
date, although, I've heard today
that -- it's complicated
schedules
>>vincente sarmiento: I'm trying
to incorporate what the
vice-chair is saying. In the
event that we have a special
meeting for it to -- for this
item to be continued to that
date that's uncertain at this
point.
>>leon page: it's really the
next available meeting, whenever
that MAY be.
>>vincente sarmiento: all right.
I will make sure I clarify my
motion to say I would like to
continue this item to the next
available meeting, board of
supervisors meeting.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I will
accept that clarification.
MADAM Clerk, will you call the
roll...
[Calling roll]
>>chair, doug chaffee: that
motion carries. I'm not sure
about a special meeting. I MAY
be not around, and I know
supervisor wagner has some
concerns with some surgery. So
with that, we continue this
item, and so now let's go on to
supplement
>>clerk, robin stieler: s94cc.
Under chair chaffee-orange
county workforce development
board-reappoint and confirm
continued membership of andrew
fahmy, brea, for term concurrent
with supervisor's term of
office
we have no requests to speak on
s94cc. This is my item. Okay.
I'll move it.
>>vincente sarmiento: second.
There will be no objection.
That item is approved. I think
it's public comments.
>>clerk, robin stieler: five
public hearing items. 95 will
be the first one..
>>chair, doug chaffee: that goes
to item 95, please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 95.
Under chair chaffee and
supervisor sarmiento-public
hearing to consider first
reading of "
an ordinance of the
county of orange, california,
amending division 1 of title 1,
section 1-1-83, of the codified
ordinances of the county of
orange"
regarding full-cost
recovery for lobbyist
registration and renewal fees;
set second reading and adoption
for 8/11/26, 9:30 A.M.; and
adopt resolution approving
revised county lobbyist
registration filing and renewal
fees and making related findings
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: this is a
public hearing. We're going to
open the public hearing. MADAM
Clerk, do we have any people who
wish to speak on this item
>>clerk, robin stieler: no. We
do not.
>>chair, doug chaffee: so I'm
going to close the public
hearing and bring it back to the
board for consideration. I'm
going to move the item
>>vincente sarmiento: second.
>>chair, doug chaffee: any
objection to it? I see none.
So the item is approved. And
this is going to come back
again, consider the matter. So
the ordinance might actually be
adopted. Move on to public
hearing item 96.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 96.
Under sheriff-coroner-public
hearing to consider adopting
resolution approving orange
county uniform parking penalty
schedule of 2026 for
unincorporated areas and
county-owned facilities,
effective 7/1/26; and
superseding resolution 23-061
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
This is another public hearing.
Going to open the public
hearing, and MADAM Clerk, do we
have any speakers
>>clerk, robin stieler: no, we
do not.
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have
none, so I'm going to close the
public hearing and bring it back
to this board for consideration.
It's been moved. I will second
the item. Any objection? Item
is approved. All right, we have
one more public hearing, which
is item 97. MADAM Clerk...
>>clerk, robin stieler: 97.
Under county counsel-public
hearing to consider second
reading and adoption of "an
uncodified ordinance of the
county of orange approving the
sheriff'
s and district
attorney'
s military
equipment use policies and
repealing uncodified ordinance
no. 25-013"
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going
to open the public hearing. Are
there any public comments?
>>clerk, robin stieler: no, we
do not
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going
to bring it back to the board
and close the public hearing for
consideration by the board.
What's the pleasure of the
board? Moved is seconded. Any
objection? All right. Item is
approved. There's one more
public hearing
>>clerk, robin stieler: two
more
>>chair, doug chaffee: item 98.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 98.
Under oc public works-public
hearing to consider adopting
resolution for fy 2025-26 fire
hazard reduction weed abatement
cost report by property and
authorize oc agricultural
commissioner to reimburse or
cancel assessments under certain conditions
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going
to open the public hearing.
MADAM Clerk, do we have any
public speakers?
>>clerk, robin stieler: no, we
do not
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'm going
to close the public hearing and
bring it back to this board for
consideration. And it's been
moved and I will second it. Is
there any objection to it? Item
closed. And there's one more
public hearing item. Getting to
the end of my binder. 99,
please.
>>clerk, robin stieler: 99.
Under oc public works-public
hearing to adopt resolution
adopting map checking fee
schedule for fys 2026-27,
2027-28 and 2028-29 for map
checking subsidy reduction
program; rescind resolution no.
21-048; and make california
environmental quality act (Ceqa)
Exemption findings under ceqa
guidelines section 15273 and
public resources code
21080(B)(8) And other related findings
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, MADAM Clerk. I'm going to
open the public hearing. Do we
have any speakers
>>clerk, robin stieler: no, we
do not.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I'll
close the public hearing and
bring it back to the board for
consideration. MAY I have a
motion or discussion? I will
second the item. Any objection?
The motion is approved. I
think we're at public comments
>>leon page: could I make a
suggestion? The board MAY wish
to reconsider agenda item 71,
that's the legislative item.
There were amendments made today
to ab2194 and a think a couple
members are aware of those
amendments. Again, I raise this
as an opportunity. If the board
want to discuss those
anticipates..
>>chair, doug chaffee: do we
have a copy of whatever that
amendment is? I haven't seen it
it. Maybe we could come back to
this after we hear some of the
public comments when we get
copies of whatever this is
>>janet nguyen: on item 99, can
I record an abstention, please?
Thank you..
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. What were you saying?
>>janet nguyen: for item 99, I
actually wanted to record an
abstention.
>>chair, doug chaffee: you want
an abstention. Okay. That's
fine
>>janet nguyen: thank you.
>>chair, doug chaffee: please
note for the recorded
abstention. All right. We'll
come back -- all right, let's go
to public comment
>>clerk, robin stieler: manual
penned da, john spring and
patricia weber..
>>chair, doug chaffee: sir, you
have 1 minute. Thank you.
>>speaker: I came here to talk
primarily about public safety.
I have a background in coastal
zone management, which also
would be of some interest
because practically everything
about the olympics deals with
our amenities along the coastal
zone. But I'm also very
concerned about discord and land
use at the industrial site of
aerospace where you have
residential homes within a few
hundred feet of the most
dangerous chemicals when they
are abused by either heat or
contamination. Now, obviously
in a few seconds I cannot convey
all of my knowledge or expertise
in any of these areas. So my
suggestion is, if you are really
interested in what katrina foley
was talking about and be donald
wagner and donald chaffee
regarding the olympics, please
contact me.
>>clerk, robin stieler: next
three speakers are california
precinct activators, roseanne
and lisa h. Please come
forward
>>speaker: good afternoon, board
of supervisors. Earlier I
handed.
S. The point of clarity
notice has already been given to
the 50 state governors, to the
PRESIDENT Of the united states,
to the supreme court and united
states senate and united states
congress. We are now giving you
a copy. Take notice, a frequent
recurrence of fundamental
principles of the constitution
is required to maintain free
government. The main objective
of government is to protect and
preserve the people's rights and
uphold the law of GOD. The
people establish the public good
in the original state and united
states constitutions are founded
upon christian principles,
common law and maxims of law.
Wherein the constitution should
the people grant authority for
islam and shereeial law to
conquer our form of government
and society. Islam is sharia
law and repugnant to the
founding precepts and principles
of american society
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you.
>>speaker: reading a letter from
robert paul reston governor pro
tem new california state, dear
supervisors, registrar and
sheriff, the purpose this notice
is to ask for an opportunity to
address the entire board and/or
to present a claim consenting
the certification -- contesting
the certification of any
election results at the next
regularly scheduled meeting at
board of supervisors. I am
requesting the board direct the
registrar of voters to respond
to the request for information
below pippin vote your attention
to election code section 16100d,
a lector of a county, stick or
of any political subdivision of
either MAY contest any election
held therein to any of the
following causes, d, that
illegal votes were cast. The
factual basis of my request is
that it is common knowledge that
there has been a flood of
illegal aliens into the state of
california's counties, cities,
and school districts
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am. Your time is up.
Thank you.
>>speaker: those non-citizens
have apparently been allowed to
register with the department of
motor vehicles. With that
registration, these non-citizens
have been provided with voter
registration and election
ballots. It is also common
knowledge that investigative
reporters have discovered that
some of the illegal aliens
non-citizens have in fact voted
providing these non-citizen
voter registration and election
ballots gives you the members of
the board of supervisors and you
the registrar of voters the
legal basis to set aside the
election and deny the
certification due to the number
of illegal voters as set forth
in california election code
16100 specifically section d.
There's inchon -- these inchon
truthable facts give you not
only the right but the
obligation to investigate voter
fraud. If the board of
registrar certifies the
election, they will be
committing a felony. To the
board and the registrar, would
you please provide me with the
person who served you the
letter.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am
>>speaker: thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: last
speaker is alajandra.
>>speaker: supervisors, I
respectfully urge to you vote no
on item s94t and stop funding
$250k to plan the parenthood,
the nation's largest abortion
provider. Former planned
patienthood director abby
johnson has publically testified
that funds directed to planned
parenthood help support its
abortion practices. Abortion
intentionally ends the life of a
developing human beings.
Approximately 17,000 unborn
babies here in orange county are
killed annually
. Teen pregnancy is the no the
only risk at hand. Nearly half
of newly sexually transmitted
infections occur among young
people ages 15 to 24. Taxpayer
dollars should also support
abstinence-centered education
programs that encourage teens to
delay sexual activity, build
self respect, and strengthen
family. Do not promote sexual
activity by providing that
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, ma'am
>>speaker: thank you.
>>clerk, robin stieler: no
further speakers.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. And with that we do have
a copy now, it's a lot to read.
But let me finish with our other
board commitments for the day,
and then we can come back at
very end and talk about this if
we need to. I'd particularly
like to know if there's any
comments from supervisor
sarmiento and nguyen now that
we've had a chance to study it.
Now we come to board comments,
if there are any. Do we have
any board members that would
like to comment on anything at
this point? Anyone?
>>don wagner: a couple
adjournment memories
>>vincente sarmiento: I have an
adjournment now as well.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
think we should do this item
before we dot adjournments.
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, we
can do that. That's fine. But
let me make sure there are no
board comments first.. I
didn't see any lights on. I'll
pass on mine. I will not
disrupt the flow. All right.
MADAM Ceo, your very last
chance
>>clerk, robin stieler: I
believe supervisor nguyen has
comments
>>chair, doug chaffee: I don't
have a light on here
>>janet nguyen: I'm sorry. Can
I MAY being some board
comments.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Then maybe I'll join
later
>>janet nguyen: I can do later,
whatever you want me to.
>>chair, doug chaffee: well, I
thought we do do any -- we would
do any comments now and then we
will come if we can to the re
revised bill, talk about that,
if you guys have had a chance to
look at it, and then we'll go to
the adjournments if we want to,
if that's all right. So if you
have comments you'd like to
make, go ahead
>>janet nguyen: I do,
MR. CHAIRMAN, thank you. Just a
fews things. One, you know, I
just want to -- I know it's hard
to believe but it's been a month
since the incident of the -- the
incident in garden grove and
everything has remained
stabilized at the plant, and we
are waiting for gkn to obtain
the equipment to remove mma for
the two tanks not at risk of
leaking. So far no removal date
has been identified. I want
just to thank MADAM Ceo and hca
for continuously, you know,
gives the update on this issue
and continue to work with the
city of garden grove and be
present there at their council
meetings when asked to give the
update. I also -- last time I
did not thank enough folks. So
we got a full list. I hope I
didn't MISS Anybody. But I want
to, again, you know, be sure to
thank the los alamitos racetrack
for allowing us to use their
parking lot for the commanding
center. Ocfa, city of garden
grove, the police department,
health care agency, sheriff,
ocea, aqmd, you know, california
office emergency services, all
the county staff, the management
staff, everybody, uc irvine
health, there's also some
businesses that came out and
assisted as well. I wanted to
just identify them as well, and
this is just one of the shorter
lists. This is not completely
full. We're still getting more
folks letting us know who else
was there to assist. Foot long
coffee and tea, bow and
baguette, blue restaurant lanon
kitchen. Smile again, twin fat
supermarket. Faux v1. We
appreciate everyone coming out
and bringing food and place to
to our command center. We
appreciate you doing it without
us even asking. And then the
next one, since we won't be here
until AUGUST, JULY 4th is
always an exciting time
in huntington beach and we have
the largest parade west of the
mississippi. Obviously as
mentioned, this year will be the
biggest ever with a three-day
celebration in addition to
america's semiquincentennial.
it's also huntington's beach
102 -- 122th fourth of JULY
parade. The fun starts on
JULY 3rd at noon with live
music at the pier lasting into
the night. On the 4th after
the parade, live music will
start and last until 8:00 P.M.
With the city's biggest block
party ever on main street.
Homeowners can enter a house
decorating contests. There will
also be a 5k run in the
morning and fireworks starting
at 9:00 P.M.. More music --
more live music is scheduled on
the 5th. Be warned that it
will be a very busy, busy
downtown. So parking is going
to be extremely difficult. So I
would encourage people to
ride-share or to please plan
accordingly. Also I wanted to
draw attention to a worthwhile
program that I've supported,
meta makes ray ban smart glasses
for veterans who are visually
impaired or blind and gives them
away for free. It was recently
announced last week the glasses
use ai to speak to the
individual who's wearing it and
then can describe what is in
their line of site. I've asked
the county veterans service
offices to please assist our
local blind veterans in
obtaining these glasses, any
visually-impaired veteran is
eligible. The blind veterans
association is a distributor and
will train veterans on how to
use these glasses. They have a
rehab center at our closest V.A.
Hospital, which is in the city
of long beach, and the
association also comes to our
county's veterans office once a
month. So to get these class
glasses, the veterans should
register for free at the
association's website at bva.Org
or please call them at
562-826-8015. The glasses will
be shipped to the veteran and
they can get zoom training or go
to the office to get training in
person. This is a great
opportunity, and we take our
eyesight for granted. And I
can't imagine not being able to
see. So I want to do all I can
to get the word out about this
free life-changing invention.
And so with that, MR. CHAIRMAN,
thank you.
>>vincente sarmiento: I just
want to let everybody know as we
come to the end of JUNE, I want
to say a few words about lgbtq
pride month. Each JUNE we
celebrate pride month and honor
contributions of the community
and the ongoing fight for
equality. Pride traces its
roots to the stonewall uprising
in JUNE, 1969 when legion people
in new york city stood up
against harassment and descrim
nation in a defining moment for
the movement. Their courage
galvanized generations of
advocacy and progress that
continue today. Even as we
celebrate, we cannot forget that
pride began as a protest. It
was an act of resistance against
violence and justice and
systematic oppression. It is
especially important for us to
remember the origins of pride
this year in the face of renewed
challenges and in a national
political climate where some
seek to roll back the progress
that's been made and the
community continues to persevere
and lead with strength,
resilience and love but also
with fear because of all of the
pressure. As the father of a
gay son, I always worry when my
son is away from me because I
know there are still people that
misunderstand, judge, and become
hostile to folks that are -- you
know, that love differently. I
just want to thank all of those
who advocate for justice,
inclusion, and dignity for all.
Your voices matter. And --
then, and as ever, we continue
the fight for inclusion, support
the rights of all people to live
openly, be respected for who
they are and thrive in our
county. Thank you, MR. Chair.
.
>>chair, doug chaffee: well,
thank you. If I MAY make a few
remarks. Our last and eighth
kindness award ceremony will be
held on NOVEMBER 13.
NOVEMBER 13 is observed
internationally as world
kindness day. That's why we
hold our kindness awards on that
date. We're looking to select
people from my district, any one
of the seven cities, that would
like to represent their city.
We can hold them out as examples
of kindness and community
service for others to emulate.
So nominations will be accepted
until SEPTEMBER 18. And then
we'll close them off. The
future leaders program is
continuing. They finished their
third session last saturday.
They had a tour of the sheriffs
coroner division. The sheriffs
coroner division is especially
interesting. It's kind of the
best in the state, the county
center staff for training here
in orange county. And it's
followed by a meant health
awareness presentation by our
health care agency. We're
coming up this saturday, we're
going to do a mock board of
supervisors meeting where each
of the students are supposed to
try to advocate something, then
write a staff report, and then
they try to convince others to
approve it. That will be
followed by a graduation
ceremony. And I'm pleased that
we're able to visit -- previsit
the cal state fullerton's
project rebound women's housing
facility where we're able to
help with the funding. And then
I'd like to congratulate the
orange county commission and
status of women and girls for
being selected as a finalist for
this year's golden hub awards,
collaborative community
development innovation category
for their inaugural report. And
there will be a ceremony at
nixon center later this -- I
think it's thursday night. And
now, the last chance, ceo, is
there any comment you'd like to
make?
>>michelle aguirre: yeah,
thanks, chair. So just oh oil
be fast in the interest of time.
Just wanted to thank the board
for your kind words. Earlier
today, to your chiefs for all of
their support. I've loved
working with all of you,
whenever you are. To the county
family for your support. For,
you know, just a thank you to my
chiefs in the CEOs office.
You know who you are. My
partners in crime, kim and liz,
the newest members of the
partners in crime, oana, carolyn
and chris lynn. Thank you for
everything. Our community be
partners have appreciated
working with you. And elle, I
could not have done this without
you. Thank you so much. Leon,
robin, are you part of the
chiefs' team, right. Our
biweekly staff meetings, we've
had a great time. Dom and mel,
you know who you are, thank you.
Call me. And I would say
casey, good luck. You've got my
number. Just don't call before
7:00. Thank you, chair..
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, michelle. Appreciate
everything you've done. We all
do, as we expressed earlier.
And so hopefully you'll enjoy
saturday, your first day off.
Okay. Now, let's come back to
this revised bill. I've
currently read through it. I'm
mainly curious about supervisor
sarmiento and supervisor
nguyen's review. Go ahead,
supervisor sarmiento
>>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
MR. Chair. I'll be brief. I
was out of the room when I
believe MR. Page provided the
suggestion that we MAY want to
take a different position than
what was voted on earlier given
the revisions to the bill.
There's some pretty substantive
and material changes to this
bill, although, I'm not opposed
to what I see on perusal. But
I'm also a lawyer, as you are,
and I don't know how -- whether
or not this language has been
looked at by ledge counsel, by
our ledgetive team here. I just
want to make sure that we're --
or we would be considering
something that is clear to all
of us. In section 1, I know
that I'm really grateful to the
assemblymember for section 1a
where he includes the two
supervisors and an alternate to
serve on the board of directors,
and in section c 1 of --
subsection c 1 of section a, it
looks like there is a
continue -- additional language
for the staggering of terms,
although, I haven't gone into
that detail. It's more section
2 where there will be, I
believe, under subsection b, the
independent, external audit to
evaluate a number of different
issue areas. So that's where I
think we need to have a little
bit more detail. I think this
is really encouraging. It's
down the right path. I think
that we're going to be
meeting -- I'm looking at the
schedule for tomorrow -- at
11:00 A.M. With the
assemblymember, and I believe
what was discussed here today is
all done I think in good faith
to work with the assemblymember
and these changes. But I do
think that we need a little bit
more time. It's abrupt. As
we've said, we've had over 100
items and then this gets layered
on top it for us to make a
quick, often cuff approval of
this. I certainly don't feel
comfortable doing that.
Although, I see -- I'm very
encouraged by what I see, I just
want to make sure that we have
others that can lend their eyes
to this and provide us with some
good background. I suggest we
hold with our recommendation as
was made earlier, and am very,
very, again, optimistic of
meeting with the assemblymember
and working through some of
these additional changes that he
MAY be recommending. By
tomorrow, we shrewed a better
idea of what they MAY mean. So
that would be my recommendation
>>chair, doug chaffee: so we
would withdraw the previous
recommendation of opposing,
instead, simply have a holding
position where we don't really
take a position until we've had
a chance to look at it further;
is that what you're saying
>>vincente sarmiento: yeah. You
know, because we've asked a lot
of others to write letters in
opposition. Right now it's more
maybe not taking a position,
although, we -- because we don't
know exactly what some of these
provisions mean
>>speaker: okay. Supervisor
wagner?
>>speaker: wanted to make and
maybe amplify the point you were
just making. We took an opposed
position and it now will reflect
an opposition to what is a
different bill. And so it MAY
require a board action to
rescind the opposition. That's
the first thing. And whether we
go all the way and support this
or the no, I agree, maybe take
some more time and more
analysis, and I'd like to hear
from our ledge team. But at a
minimum, I think we ought to
tell everybody, hey, stand down.
We are not opposed any longer.
We're just gonna not take any
position. But I think that
requires more board action.
>>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
Vice-chair.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: yeah,
I agree with supervisor wagner,
and I'm -- I also think we need
to give direction, because if
two of you are going to be in
sacramento, you know, lobbying
on our behalf, we have to have a
position. I mean, most of
section 2 deals with audits. It
seems fine to me. It's all
about different types of audits
and what would be required in
terms of auditing. I don't see
any obvious reason to oppose it.
And so I would -- to me, it
seems like we got what we wanted
in terms of the staggering, and
the two board members and the
alternate are added back, and
then the rest of it is all about
conducting -- requiring the
health authority to conduct an
independent audit on a variety
of different matters. And so it
seems like consistent went what
we've been doing here anyway.
We've been doing auditing and
requiring audits and I don't see
why would we oppose an audit.
So I would move to rescind the
opposed position and to.
>>chair, doug chaffee: I think
we already a motion.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: no,
he didn't make a motion
>>vincente sarmiento: let me go
ahead and move to remove or
rescind our opposition. Well,
as chair of the board at cal
optima, I would appreciate the
curtracy to make that motion. I
believe we're going to be
meeting with MR. -- the author
of the bill, and I think we'll
go ahead and let him clarify
some of these proceed violations
with us as well..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: but
we have to take a position
>>vincente sarmiento: I just
said that we would.
>>chair, doug chaffee, no, we
don't have to take a position
>>speaker.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: we do
because they're going to lobby
on behalf of the county. Don't
we have to have a position.
>>chair, doug chaffee: their
position I think is respected as
members of the caloptima board.
I don't think we need to give
them any particular
instruction.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: would
you apply that to all of us
>>leon page: if I MAY, first I
radio suggest the board take a
vote on whether to reconsider
the action on item 71.
Assuming -- and I suppose that
could be combined with a motion
to vacate the board's prior
action. Then once that's
happened, then there could be a
new motion as to whether or not
to give direction or take a
position.
But first I think you ought to
formally reconsider and vacate
the prior action on 71
>>janet nguyen: I'll second that
motion.
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Supervisor sarmiento
asked for that curtracy. Oo
curt -- that courtesy
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, and
I'll move that with a position
to vacate our previously
position to oppose
>>chair, doug chaffee: is there
any opposition to removing the
previous recommended action?
Seeing none, that is now gone.
All right, is there some
subsequent action we can take?
Supervisor nguyen?
>>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,
and I don't oppose auditing. I
completely support it. However,
I mean, I'm not a lawyer, and
this is last minute. I'm just
reading this, there's a
provision on here on the
auditing part with the 4 to
fifth item. It says whether the
orange county health authority
governor structure policy or
practice it appropriately
preserve the ability of
executive staff leadership and
staff able toedly conduct
contracting procurement
functions consistent with the
governing bodies oversight role.
And I'm not a lawyer. I'm the
only one on this board that's
not. I look at that as almost
allowing executive staff to
contract without going before
the board. And it could be
interpreted that way. I -- you
know, I think -- and that's
where I think there's some of
these nuances -- because,
remember, the previous bill that
was done when I was up there had
some problems, and these nuances
as interpreted later could cause
a big problem. And why that
would be a concern for me if
executive staff are allowed to
just do contract without going
to the board regardless of the
amount is not what I've been
supportive on this board at the
county. We change our
procurement process. We changed
our purchasing to have that
oversight by the county here,
and I cannot support something
that would allow caloptima staff
to do whatever -- contract
whatever, regardless of the
amount, regardless of the
contract, but that's my, just,
first take at this. I don't
know. So I think not taking a
position right now I'm hopeful
that maybe we can scct assembly
man or maybe we could, you know,
get our counsel here and maybe
cal optima downtown opine on
what does that interpretation
means. I mean, I'm not asking
for it right now but I'm saying
that I think it needs some time
to vet it through..
>>chair, doug chaffee: so I'm
not sure where we are. I'm
reading through this. It seems
to me it's pretty much too much.
I don't really understand some
of these things. And I think it
does not fully understand how
caloptima works. We've done a
lot of good works performing
things already. We've had a lot
of audits over there already,
expensive ones. So maybe the
position is to support if
amended. Would that be the
right time kind of thing?
>>vincente sarmiento: we have
somebody from our ledge team,
jonathan, do you mind coming up
and maybe giving us some
guidance? What would you
suggest.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
MR. CHAIRMAN, first I had a
question. I had already asked
for the floor. If I could ask
my question. Thank you. It
looks like section 2b is the
independent external audit shall
evaluate at a minimum all of the
following. And then what
follows is sections 1 through 8.
And that is what they're asking
the audit to cover. So it's not
giving direction as it relates
to the contracting and whether
or not -- what's the value of
the contracting. It's just
suggesting that one of the
categories of the audit be the
health authority's governance
structure policies and
procedures and ability to
conduct contracting and
procurement functions. So
that's how I read it. It
doesn't read to me to be
requiring anything other than an
audit of those practices..
>>chair, doug chaffee: well,
some of this is odd the way it's
worded, and it talks about the
independent conducted interviews
with caloptima staff by an
anonymous opportunity to share
their feedback. I don't know if
that's standard audit practice.
I think that's a little bit far
out, that type of stuff. So I
think this isn't right the way
it is.. Do you have a comment
here please?
>>speaker: I wanted to clarify,
the language in front of you is
negotiated with the senate
health committee and the authors
office.. It is not in print
yet. So the bill that is in
print we would like to remain
opposed to -- previous to the
board action but if this
language was accepted and was
presented from the senate health
committee tomorrow we would be
able to remove our opposition to
it..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: so
those unless appled would be
right
>>janet nguyen: well, that
change what is we just took an
action on. This would have been
helpful to know that this was
not in print. So if -- we just
rescinded a vote on a bill that
is currently in print, which we
still want to oppose. You know,
either we go back to opposing
the current printed version, and
I think we should do that, and
then wait till in one officially
goes into print and then, you
know, have that discussion. But
we hear the board. We hear your
concerns. And so we will at
least have those conversations
up in sacramento tomorrow. So
would you like to make that
motion again?
>>vincente sarmiento: to
continue with our opposed
position because this is a draft
language that hasn't been
approved. We don't have the
final version. So the actual
version is still the same
version that this board
unanimously opposed. Thank you
for clarifying that..
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I can
ask another clarifying question
just so that we don't.
>>chair, doug chaffee: we're
getting too deep into the woods
here.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley:
because we need to know -- it's
a timing question. Like when
will -- do you expect this to go
into print? I mean, is this
expected to go into print
tomorrow?
>>speaker: you've hit the point.
So we would expect this to go
into print and that's what we
would need direction on the
board from, to remove the
opposition if this goes into
print.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay
>>janet nguyen: so usually when
it goes into print, it's
probably going to be some time
tonight, usually around 8:00
P.M. Or a little after it will
go into print. And so kind of
awkward maybe we -- maybe the
motion, if I can suggest, is
oppose the current printed
version and then the unprinted
version we will -- if that does
get printed officially to the
public, but today we will then
include that mowing as then we
would withdraw our current
opposition to the current
printed bill. If that makes any
sense.
>>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
think that makes sense.
>>vincente sarmiento: I'll
second it, but this is really,
really messy because had we not
received this, we just would
have gone forward, we would have
met tomorrow and we would have
worked this out anyways. So
we're going through this just
sort of fortuitously that we
have this draft language and
we're trying to solve this in
anticipation of we don't know
what. I mean, something MAY
happen. Maybe the author
changes his mind and says, look,
I don't want to have this draft
put into print -- into an active
bill. So anyways, look, I'll
support it for the sake of just
moving this forward but I think
this is an exercise that's very
odd..
>>chair, doug chaffee: county
counsel, do we have a clarity on
the motion?
>>leon page: I understood it as
opposed, continue to oppose
unless amended..
>>chair, doug chaffee: as
printed and wasn't there
something about if this new
version comes in? Or do we do
nothing on that? M
>>leon page: we're no longer
opposed..
>>chair, doug chaffee: we have a
motion and a second over here?
Is there any objection to that
position? Okay. Have fun
tomorrow. Enjoy sacramento.
And, you know, all call me if
you need any commiseration. And
we'll see where we go with this.
Okay. Now, back
back to
memorial adjournments. Who has
any? Anyone have -- supervisor
sarmiento, go ahead
>>vincente sarmiento: yes, thank
you, MR. Chair. I know it's
been a long day, but this is one
I, you know, is hard to make. I
know it's somebody that we knew
well. Before we adjourn today's
meeting, I'd like to take a
moment to honor the life and
legacy of augustine know chung
gao who passed away on
JUNE 7th, 2026 at the age of
80. He lived a life defined by
faith, perseverance, service and
compassion, born in denang
vietnam he overcame
extraordinary challenges and
hardships before emigrating to
the united states where he built
a new life dedicated to helping
others and strengthening his
community. As a respected
pharmacist, community leader and
advocate, he touched countless
lives through his work and
generosity, through his
leadership at delta drug
pharmacy and his support of
civic engagement, cultural
preservation, black APRIL
commemorations, human rights
advocacy and vietnamese language
media he became a trusted
admired figure throughout orange
county's vietnamese american
community. Those who knew him
often spoke of his humility,
kindness and deep commitment to
family he instilled in future
generations, the values of
faith, education, integrity and
public service leaving a leg
guess will continue to inspire
others for years to come. As we
reflect on his life, we extend
our heart-felt condolences to
his family, friends, and all
those mourning his loss. MAY
they find comfort in the
tremendous impact he made and
the many lives he touched. In
closing I ask that we remember
augustine know for his courage,
his generosity, his unwavering
commitment to serving others.
MAY his memory be a blessing and
his legacy continue to inspire
us all. I'll be asking that we
adjourn in his memory..
>>chair, doug chaffee: all
right. Any others?
>>don wagner: thank you,
MR. CHAIRMAN. Let me start with
jill cooley. She was a woman
immense creative energy and
unwavering integrity. After
graduating from the university
of redlands in 1960, jill began
her career as a second-grade
teacher. She later earn
administer's in educational
psychology serving as a
dedicated school psychologist
for tustin unified school
district for over two decades.
In 1963 she married dennis
cooley, together they built a
life in villa park raising their
three sons eric, mark, and kirk
while fostering deep, lifelong
roots in the community. They
also enjoyed sponsoring foreign
students through rotary. Jill's
primary architect at the villa
park community spirit is a
charter member of the villa park
rotary club, the villa park
community services foundation
and peo chapter s. She applied
her graphic design talents and
leadership skills to countless
initiatives. Known
affectionately as the hippo
lady, the title she proudly
displayed on her license plate,
she was a dedicated collector of
hippopotamuses, mirrors and
kaleidoscopes, and yes, I looked
it up, it's hippopotamuses, not
him potami -- hippopotami. She
had a 100-person extended family
and friends she loved and
traveled the colorado river with
for over 50 years. She was an
elder statesman of her city
leaving behind a family she
adored and a community
transformed by her decades of
service and friendship. Please
keep the cooley sons and their
family in your thoughts and
prayers. And I have one more
for les ritter. Les was born in
baltimore in 1929. He moved to
southern california in 1951 to
begin his long career with
southern california edison,
retiring 38 years later as
superintendent of the fullerton
district. During his there he
served as superintendent in the
arrowhead district and then
manager in the santa ana
district and later as
superintendent in the el toro
district and then in fullerton
until his retirement in 1989.
He was known and respected for
his innovative and creative
problem solving skills which
significantly improved the
orange county sec electrical
distribution system. Les said
his greatest pleasure was in the
promotion and development of the
young men and women who worked
for him. In 1985 he married his
wife jane, and they moved to a
beautiful home in yorba linda.
He was a lifelong tennis player
and fan traveling locally and to
new york and australia for
championship tournaments. He
and jane traveled extensively to
always return to their yorba
linda home to enjoy entertaining
family and friends. He is
survived by jane, his daughter
christine, two grabbed
daughters, tan that and kelly,
three great grandchildren, and a
great, great grandson. His
dying wish was to be entered at
new orange county cemetery in
anaheim hills once he's
completed. And we will honor
that wish shortly. Thank you,
mr. CHAIRMAN.
>>chair, doug chaffee: thank
you, supervisor wagner. All
right, I think we're at the end
of our meeting. We will not
meet again unless there's a
special meeting called until
next AUGUST. With that, we are
adjourned. Thank you.