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. Morning, everyone.

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let me welcome all of you to

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the orange county board of county

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commissioner meeting of december 2nd,

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2025. As we begin this morning, we're

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going to call

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on commissioner nicole wilson to introduce

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her

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guest who will be bringing the invocation

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for today. Following

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the invocation we'll ask commissioner wilson

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if she'll lead

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us in the pledge of

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allegiance, after we will then move

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forward on

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our agenda thisthis morning. With

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that, commissioner

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wilson you are recognized.

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>> thank

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you so much,

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mayor. Good morning, everybody. Today we

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are especially honored to have

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pastor scott blue with us to offer

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this

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morning's invocation. A

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homeless outreach nonprofit he launched

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in west orange county in

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2010. Matthew's hope is dedicated

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to

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meeting basic needs and offering a hand up to

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men, women and

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children experiencing homelessness.

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individuals

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can access clothing medical mental

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health care, eye exams, case management,

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showers,

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hair and nail salon, and even day

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care and early learning institution.

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pastor scott has found

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success in helping people by

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prioritizing self-sufficiency and

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stability for a

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better quality of life. Under his

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leadership with a small

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but extraordinarily dedicated team

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matthew's hope has become

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known for its approaches for serving

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our winter

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garden and west orange community and

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as of

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june 2022 they are serving in brevard

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county.

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the organization currently operates

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a mobile

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emergency shelter busses providing

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safe overnight accommodations for

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unsheltered individuals if

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you haven't had the opportunity

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to see these I would invite you to

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do that.

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in september I had the privilege of

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visiting the

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brevard campus where the shelters

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are changing

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lives. Today is especially meaningful

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to have pastor scott here because we

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the opportunity to approve the mobile

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shelter

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project here on our consent agenda.

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it will

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serve residents all over west orange

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county in an effort many have worked

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tirelessly to bring

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today. I am so thrilled to

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support him

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and the homeless

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outreach efforts. I want to say this

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off the script editorial,

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pastor scott blue is somebody who

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also speaks truth to power in

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a time that power seems to have lost

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compassion and I think it's

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a critical voice that needs to be

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heard, and I am really,

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really grateful to have him in my

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community and as a friend. Without further adieu.

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why are

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you all standing up?

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I heard I can stay five or ten minutes so

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I want to make sure

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you're comfortable because I'm not on

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the pulpit any more and so this

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is my opportunity to speak a little

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jesus into your life. I have a few

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things I want to share with

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you because I'm able, and I'm watching

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things happening right now that, quite

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honestly in 63

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years, I never thought I would see

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happen again. The lack of empathy

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and compassion

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for others is at an all-time low.

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when it comes to homelessness we seem

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to have figured out

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the best way to handle things is

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simply lock them up. Don't kid

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yourself for a minute this isn't happening.

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I track it.

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we can show it happening every day.

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recently

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was you're going to love this,

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camping paraphernalia. As

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a drug addict I

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know what drug paraphernalia is. It's

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something to think about. But I want

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share with you that matthew mobile

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are throughout from basically

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I-4 up into claremont. Out well

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before the sun rises caring for the

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homeless men, women and children living on

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the streets of our community. As the

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weather approaches and will soon arrive

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imagine having no

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shelter, going with no or very little

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rest, with

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no relief in sight. Not even being

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able to sit

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down without being told to move along

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or risk arrest. Don't buy into

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the false narrative that homelessness --

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what homelessness looks like. The

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truth is, the truth is is

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that many are elderly, some very ill,

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others are physically or mentally disabled

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young families with children with no

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understanding how they are

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supposed to survive on our streets.

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due to the increased law enforcement

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of new laws coming out

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of tallahassee, basically making it

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illegal to sleep outside, illegal to

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homeless, the anxiety and tension

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the streets right now is at an all-

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time high. And when people

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feel that anxiety and that kind

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of tension, they do desperate things.

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good people

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do desperate things. Simply I

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ask from each of you today and our

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commission and

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mayor, pray for them. If you can't

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anything else, if you want do anything

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else, pray for them. We go where we

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need to go.

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we do what needs to be done. If not

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us, then who? Emily

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dickinson said, I dwell in possibilities.

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mr. Mayor

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and commissioners, I choose to dwell in

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the possibilities and

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god does the rest, and I am --

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invite you to also, I choose to live

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in possibilities, dwell in the possibilities.

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this morning, lord,

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god, father, I lift up our

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elected leaders to you and pray that

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they may have

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open hearts and open minds and choose

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to dwell on the possibilities. As

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courage that all

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people desire to realize all the potential

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life offers. May each be led with

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conviction, enthusiasm and passionate

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resolve.

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may the needs, hopes and

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dreams of all peoples be given consideration,

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those finding themselves without.

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living on our streets.

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may each one here place politics aside and

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look to you for guidance and strength,

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if you are with us who could

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be against? Us the many task and

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challenges ahead are not easy but

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nothing worth fighting for has

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ever been easy and greatness isn't

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achieved

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by the faint of heart. Creator

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god, often making the proper decision

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is not always the

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popular decision. So may you provide a

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fortress

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of protection of those will to do

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right rather than simply

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doing what is easy. Lord god, our

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country is hurting,

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if we ever needed you, we need

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you now. May your presence be known

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in this place today and

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every day,

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in your precious son christ jesus, amen.

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>>> I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the united states of america and to the

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republic for which it

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one nation under

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god indivisible with liberty and justice for

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have no proclamations or resolutions

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today. Let me acknowledge that I

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hope you all had a wonderful thanksgiving

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holiday period of

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time. Now that we're in the

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season, this is my favorite time of

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the year,

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as it is all about how wewe treat

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others and how we recognize and give

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to the

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least of those in our community,

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and so we have one more board county

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commission meeting in this calendar

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year. We have a board meeting in a

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couple weeks and that

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will be the final one for this year

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and we move into 2026.

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so today we do

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have a full agenda and we're going

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move forward and open it up

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for any public comment this is a period

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of time in which we

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ask members of the public to come

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forward regarding matters or

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issues of concern, matters that

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are appropriate discussion during

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this period of

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time, these matters would

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include procurement of land issues

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concerns, rather than this board, this

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afternoon we will be taking up the

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various land use related

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issues and we will be soliciting public

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input during each of the public hearings

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this afternoon. The public comment

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period is this morning.

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do we have members of the public present

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who wish to be heard?

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speakers this morning.

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our speakers a couple minutes

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by which to make their case, and

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we'll generally call them in the order

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in which you signed up. You can go

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proceed with calling those who wish to

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>> thank you, mayor. Folks, I'm going

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to call your names in

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batches. Line up along the back wall in

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order called when you approach the

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podium, begin with your

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name and address for the record.

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first speaker is gavin

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moldof, and joe silvistrus.

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>> thank you, mr.

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kian up first, is he here

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at this time?

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>> does not appear.

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>> does

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not appear he's here. Mr.

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moldof.

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>> good morning,

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commissioners, mayor, staff. Thank

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you for the opportunity to be here.

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before I say anything I came

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here to say, I would like to say thank you

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for displaying

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the menorah here. As a jewish

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person, we

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don't always find representation or

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even acceptance in

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all spaces and it's felt good to know

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that I'm accepted

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here and to see that represented

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so explicitly. I would just like to say thanks.

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my name is zach moldof

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I reside at --in district

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5, 32792 my zip code.

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my full address in the written record.

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today

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I did come down here with a whole

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written and

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prepared things, but there's just

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other things happening in the community

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that call for attention as well, so

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I'm going to do my best

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to split my time here. I think

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when it comes to visit orlando

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and everything that we've heard lately

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about investigating the

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spending and revealing what's been

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spent and

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what it's been spent on, it shows

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there's a

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tremendous opportunity for orange

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county to

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innovate and to create opportunities

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where

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this marketing money can be spent

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differently to

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achieve the same results. And

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there's all kinds of ways to

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structure these

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programs so that

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the revenue expended circulates in

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the community much more

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so than being paid out in marketing

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firms we would

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like to emulate here. We can

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cultivate the talent here and make this

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a place where people who

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are leaving from new york and los

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angeles want to move to and we can

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pay less to get that talent here and help

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that talent shape our community into

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what it should be so they want to

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be here and all those great outcomes can be made

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possible.

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separate from that, I am --I am

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really proud to see that the

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commissioners and the mayor are taking

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up

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with such

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urgency the issue of basically motorized

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vehicles on

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our sidewalks,

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simply because they have electric

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motors. We've slipped into this space

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where

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we've forgotten that the distinction

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is

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about the motor not what powers

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the motor. Serving on the transmac this

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is a citizen who came

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down and pointed out the urgency to

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this --to us and

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I just wanted to echo that, you know, it

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is really

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important, and I'm glad to see that action is being

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taken. So thank you for the time.

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>> all right.

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thank you mmoldof.

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we'll move to our

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next

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speaker, please.

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>> good morning,

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mayor

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demings, my name is joe. I serve as

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the

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senior director of safety and emergency

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management at orange county public

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schools. I'm here today representing

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the school district to

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share some thoughts on micro

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mobility devices which will be discussed

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later on

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the agenda. Last month our district

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held a school board work

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session focused on these devices prompted

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by concerns

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from parents and the community about

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how students are

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using them. Over the past few years,

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we've noticed these

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devices becoming more and more popular

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with students as a way to commute

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to and from

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school, however with the increase of

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the use of these devices we've seen

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an increase

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in incidents resulting in jers and

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some cases serious injuries to the

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rider

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or bystanders. We are working with nonprofits

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and other

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stakeholders to address the challenges

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posed by thee

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devices and determine best way to

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curb unsafe behaviors

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to ensure safety of students and the

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community members at large. We request

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the opportunity

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to partner with the county and future

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discussions regarding micro mobility

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devices given many of

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our students rely on them daily to

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get

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to school. We want to thank you for

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your

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leadership, attention to this issue

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in consideration of a partnership

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to keep our students an community

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safe when

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using these alternative methods to

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commute to school. Thank you.

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>> all right. Thank you mr.

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silverest. We look forward to working

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with the school district as

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we better understand how these devices

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are being

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used and what we can perhaps do from

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a regulatory perspective on making

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the

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safer for our youth and others who

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seem to be

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drawn to using these devices.

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more to follow. Thank you. We'll move to

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the next speaker.

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>> our next batch of speakers is going

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to

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start with

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val mobilely, followed by david segal,

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jake patroski, dr. Jim moyer.

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>> good

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morning, county commission.

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>> good

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morning.

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>> val mobley,

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226 west king street. In the spirit of

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the

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season I am here today

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to give thanks for your leadership,

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for what you've done with the budget

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of

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this county, and the ways

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that you give back through the

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budget to the people who live in orange

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county. I think it's --y'all have

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done a tremendous job. I

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don't agree with every expenditure

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but that's beside the point.

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the point being, a lot

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of good is being

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done. Let me highlight the

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housing initiative trust fund that

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y'all

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created. That was and

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is a landmark legislation. And I hope

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that every other county in

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the state will follow suit.

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I can see where the smaller counties

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think they

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can't afford it, but I think that

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anything you do county wide to

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help people have a roof over their

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heads, is worth it.

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so thank you for that.

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I just wanted to point out

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that I'm here

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supporting the unhoused and I will

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be

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here, y'all are going to see me.

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I just don't want you to

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forget the unhoused. These are

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our friends, our neighbors, maybe

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we

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don't know their names, but we know

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that they don't

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have a safe place to rest their

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head at night. And so just don't forget

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them.

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one other thing off

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that

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topic is, [ inaudible ] it's on

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the agenda, red light cameras.

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if you're not breaking the law, why

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are you afraid of

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the cameras? They're a good thing.

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thank you.

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>> all

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right. Thank

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you, ms. Mobilebly.

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it's very

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difficult for those of us who serve at

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the local level to forget about

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the homelessness in our community,

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we see them, we're around them.

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yes, this board is

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very compassionate board and every

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board

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meeting we have, we

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are passing new, contractual

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relationships to address those issues

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in

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our community. Perhaps more than most

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communities within the state of florida.

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and

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sometimes without a lot of help

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from tallahassee. So thank you

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for being thankful this morning.

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we'll move to the

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next

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speaker.

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>> good morning, everyone.

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I'm david

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segal. Can't tell my joke anymore.

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I live

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at 1868 corner

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view lane in orlando. First of

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all, I would like to thank the

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commission for their

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legal activity against

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whatever the

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draconian 180 bill is. I was going

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to suggest if you look

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at the florida constitution you may

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find

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a greater ally than the approach

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you're using. Just two things. There's

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three levels of things going on

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here. There's the state

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masters, there's the county commission

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and oftentimes you do the same thing.

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you want to increase your own power.

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home

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rule is really not in

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our constitution. It's

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an interesting, like I said I know

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the points being argued

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are kind of --well, one, they haven't

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been

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challenged before, so you've got problems

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there.

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so I would say that first thing, if

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that's your

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argument, maybe you should look to

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ways to being sure there is home rule

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in things that you

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do. When you appoint people to the

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tdt or crc they

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are a political situation, reflections

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of your own will and that's just the way

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it is.

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and if

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you, again, if you look in the constitution,

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the ultimate power

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is the people. The

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first big section in there says all

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the power of the state government

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are invested in the people. Doesn't

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say

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that about the county or anything

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else. If you kind of hook

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the county, other than saying we're

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elected, by

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the way you select commissions or

581
00:20:37,604 --> 00:20:39,604
things

582
00:20:39,606 --> 00:20:42,609
like that, you can make the

583
00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:43,610
argument to the court that you are dealing with

584
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,579
home rule.

585
00:20:45,579 --> 00:20:47,579
last thing I

586
00:20:48,582 --> 00:20:50,582
will

587
00:20:51,585 --> 00:20:52,586
say someone mentioned the tdt

588
00:20:52,586 --> 00:20:54,588
money, last time someone tried to touch

589
00:20:54,588 --> 00:20:56,988
that, even republicans, they

590
00:20:57,591 --> 00:21:00,594
kind of got burned, so I would

591
00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:03,594
thank commissioner scott, your comments

592
00:21:03,597 --> 00:21:06,597
years ago, on kind of

593
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,000
sticking with this the

594
00:21:11,605 --> 00:21:12,606
statute as very wise. Thank you.

595
00:21:12,606 --> 00:21:13,607
>> thank

596
00:21:13,607 --> 00:21:15,607
you. Move

597
00:21:15,609 --> 00:21:18,900
to our next speaker,

598
00:21:18,612 --> 00:21:19,580
please.

599
00:21:19,580 --> 00:21:20,581
>> good morning. My name is

600
00:21:20,581 --> 00:21:22,581
jake

601
00:21:24,585 --> 00:21:26,985
petrosi. I you in

602
00:21:27,588 --> 00:21:29,590
windmere. Thank you, mr. Mayor

603
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:30,591
and commissioners for your service

604
00:21:30,591 --> 00:21:32,591
and

605
00:21:32,593 --> 00:21:33,594
commitment to the community. It is

606
00:21:33,594 --> 00:21:35,594
commendable and we

607
00:21:36,597 --> 00:21:38,597
really appreciate

608
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000
it. I have a

609
00:21:42,603 --> 00:21:43,604
rather urgent comment about public

610
00:21:43,604 --> 00:21:45,604
safety

611
00:21:45,606 --> 00:21:48,609
issues. On november 7th a high schooler

612
00:21:48,609 --> 00:21:49,610
at olympia was struck by a vehicle

613
00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:51,610
in

614
00:21:51,612 --> 00:21:53,612
a crosswalk.

615
00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:57,584
it is my understanding from research

616
00:21:57,584 --> 00:21:59,586
74% of pedestrian incidents happen

617
00:21:59,586 --> 00:22:02,586
outside of the crosswalk while 26%

618
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:05,590
happen inside crosswalks.

619
00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:06,593
that's kind of scary, but it gives

620
00:22:06,593 --> 00:22:08,593
us a

621
00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:09,596
good opportunity. The smaller the

622
00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:12,596
area the better it can

623
00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:14,599
be controlled, the

624
00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:17,602
safer we can

625
00:22:18,605 --> 00:22:20,607
make it. There are no school

626
00:22:20,607 --> 00:22:21,608
signs in that area. It is 45 miles

627
00:22:21,608 --> 00:22:23,608
an hour. It

628
00:22:24,611 --> 00:22:27,581
takes the average car about 229

629
00:22:27,581 --> 00:22:29,981
feet with human reaction

630
00:22:30,584 --> 00:22:31,585
time factored in to stop, to come

631
00:22:31,585 --> 00:22:33,585
to

632
00:22:33,587 --> 00:22:35,987
a complete stop at

633
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:38,590
45 miles

634
00:22:39,593 --> 00:22:41,595
an hour. There are no

635
00:22:41,595 --> 00:22:42,596
flashing pedestrian signs. Tease the

636
00:22:42,596 --> 00:22:44,596
only public entrance

637
00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:46,600
to olympia high school, I believe.

638
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,601
I

639
00:22:47,601 --> 00:22:48,602
just wanted to bring this to your

640
00:22:48,602 --> 00:22:51,602
attention because it's a matter

641
00:22:51,605 --> 00:22:53,605
of time before

642
00:22:53,607 --> 00:22:55,609
tragedy strikes there again. I understand

643
00:22:55,609 --> 00:22:57,611
there's a process to

644
00:22:57,611 --> 00:22:58,612
government to get things done with

645
00:22:58,612 --> 00:23:00,612
analysis and

646
00:23:01,582 --> 00:23:02,583
procedures for reductions of

647
00:23:02,583 --> 00:23:06,183
speed, but there's a school there

648
00:23:06,587 --> 00:23:07,588
and I believe there should be a school

649
00:23:07,588 --> 00:23:09,588
zone

650
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:12,593
sign that shouldn't take very long to figure

651
00:23:12,593 --> 00:23:13,594
out or throw up a possible flashing

652
00:23:13,594 --> 00:23:16,597
light pedestrian sign at that crosswalk where students walk

653
00:23:16,597 --> 00:23:18,597
every morning.

654
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,602
I am not on a crusade

655
00:23:21,602 --> 00:23:22,603
for pedestrian safety, but I am passionate

656
00:23:22,603 --> 00:23:23,604
about

657
00:23:23,604 --> 00:23:25,606
student safety and getting our kids

658
00:23:25,606 --> 00:23:26,607
to school every day, and I

659
00:23:26,607 --> 00:23:28,609
think we can all agree on the. Thank

660
00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:31,609
you very much for your

661
00:23:31,612 --> 00:23:32,579
time.

662
00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:33,580
>> thank you, mr.

663
00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:34,581
petrosky and we have several members

664
00:23:34,581 --> 00:23:36,581
of

665
00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:37,584
our transportation and engineering

666
00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:39,584
department here listening

667
00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:40,587
carefully to what you said. We'll

668
00:23:40,587 --> 00:23:41,588
investigate and

669
00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:43,590
take appropriate action. All right.

670
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:45,590
dr. Moyer.

671
00:23:45,592 --> 00:23:46,593
>> good morning. My name is dr. Jim

672
00:23:46,593 --> 00:23:48,593
moyer.

673
00:23:49,596 --> 00:23:50,597
I'm an

674
00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:52,599
elected water conservation district

675
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:54,599
2

676
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:58,602
supervisor. I live in north

677
00:23:58,605 --> 00:24:01,605
ocowey. I have a list

678
00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:03,610
of thank yous this

679
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:06,100
morning, post-thanksgiving or november.

680
00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:10,584
it seems like --there it is. I always

681
00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:11,585
want to thank orange

682
00:24:11,585 --> 00:24:13,587
county and their partnership with

683
00:24:13,587 --> 00:24:15,987
the orange soil and

684
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:17,591
water

685
00:24:17,591 --> 00:24:18,592
conservation district administration.

686
00:24:18,592 --> 00:24:19,593
especially mr. Miles back here who

687
00:24:19,593 --> 00:24:21,593
does

688
00:24:22,596 --> 00:24:24,596
an

689
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,602
outstanding job, I also want to thank ms.

690
00:24:28,602 --> 00:24:31,605
almeda in the audience for all

691
00:24:31,605 --> 00:24:34,608
she does for the veterans here.

692
00:24:34,608 --> 00:24:36,610
I personally choose to

693
00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:37,611
recognize my fellow veterans daily,

694
00:24:37,611 --> 00:24:39,611
but orange county

695
00:24:40,581 --> 00:24:42,581
does

696
00:24:43,584 --> 00:24:45,584
an outsanding job

697
00:24:45,586 --> 00:24:46,587
recognizing veterans. I want to thank

698
00:24:46,587 --> 00:24:48,587
the people of

699
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:50,591
lockhart who allowed me to do a

700
00:24:50,591 --> 00:24:52,593
presentation, not just because it was for

701
00:24:52,593 --> 00:24:54,593
25

702
00:24:55,596 --> 00:24:57,598
minutes. I want to thank winter

703
00:24:57,598 --> 00:25:01,602
garden. He did an article in orange

704
00:25:01,602 --> 00:25:03,604
soil and water conservation district.

705
00:25:03,604 --> 00:25:04,605
I want to thank commissioner moyer

706
00:25:04,605 --> 00:25:06,605
for

707
00:25:07,608 --> 00:25:10,608
allowing me to join her

708
00:25:10,611 --> 00:25:13,580
at her fourth quarter district 2 meeting.

709
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:16,580
I want to thank the

710
00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:18,583
breakfast club

711
00:25:18,585 --> 00:25:19,586
for hosting it orange county water

712
00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:21,586
soil and

713
00:25:22,589 --> 00:25:24,589
water conservation district

714
00:25:25,592 --> 00:25:27,592
fundraiser. Thank you

715
00:25:27,594 --> 00:25:28,595
for representing lopez for sending

716
00:25:28,595 --> 00:25:30,595
her staff. The

717
00:25:31,598 --> 00:25:33,598
picture here she

718
00:25:34,601 --> 00:25:37,100
encouraged us to take.

719
00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:39,604
I

720
00:25:40,607 --> 00:25:42,607
thank orlando district

721
00:25:44,611 --> 00:25:47,110
3, miguel from representative lopez's

722
00:25:49,583 --> 00:25:51,583
office, commissioner nesta,

723
00:25:52,586 --> 00:25:54,586
ogburn, pastor

724
00:25:55,589 --> 00:25:57,591
heart, and several other people, farm

725
00:25:57,591 --> 00:25:58,592
bureau executive director mike, et cetera.

726
00:25:58,592 --> 00:26:02,792
thank you and god bless you all.

727
00:26:07,601 --> 00:26:09,601
>> thank you.

728
00:26:10,604 --> 00:26:11,605
onto the next speaker.

729
00:26:11,605 --> 00:26:12,606
>> that was

730
00:26:12,606 --> 00:26:13,607
our last registered speaker.

731
00:26:13,607 --> 00:26:14,608
>> thank

732
00:26:14,608 --> 00:26:15,609
you so all of our

733
00:26:15,609 --> 00:26:16,610
speakers this morning. We will move

734
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:19,580
forward on our agenda at this time

735
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:20,581
and move to the consent agenda and ask

736
00:26:20,581 --> 00:26:22,581
the

737
00:26:22,583 --> 00:26:25,583
administrator to present the concept

738
00:26:25,586 --> 00:26:27,586
agenda.

739
00:26:27,588 --> 00:26:28,589
>> thank you, mayor. >> we do not

740
00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:30,989
have any changes so

741
00:26:31,592 --> 00:26:33,592
staff presents it

742
00:26:34,595 --> 00:26:36,595
as submitted.

743
00:26:37,598 --> 00:26:40,598
>> so move. >> second. >> all right.

744
00:26:40,601 --> 00:26:42,603
commissioner gomez says she was first.

745
00:26:42,603 --> 00:26:43,604
all right.

746
00:26:43,604 --> 00:26:44,605
>> second. >> who is the

747
00:26:44,605 --> 00:26:45,606
second.

748
00:26:45,606 --> 00:26:46,607
>> commissioner uribe is the second on

749
00:26:46,607 --> 00:26:49,700
the motion. All in

750
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:52,579
favor let it be known by saying yea.

751
00:26:52,579 --> 00:26:54,579
>> opposed no.

752
00:26:54,581 --> 00:26:55,582
motion passes and it is uman muss.

753
00:26:55,582 --> 00:26:56,583
I would like

754
00:26:56,583 --> 00:26:58,585
to highlight some of the items that

755
00:26:58,585 --> 00:27:00,587
we just passed on the

756
00:27:00,587 --> 00:27:04,187
consent agenda, especially given some of

757
00:27:04,591 --> 00:27:05,592
the commentary this morning. Our mental

758
00:27:05,592 --> 00:27:06,593
health

759
00:27:06,593 --> 00:27:07,594
and homeless division continues to

760
00:27:07,594 --> 00:27:09,594
innovate with new

761
00:27:10,597 --> 00:27:12,997
and exciting ways to

762
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,602
serve some of orange county's

763
00:27:15,602 --> 00:27:16,603
most vulnerable citizens. Working

764
00:27:16,603 --> 00:27:18,603
with matthew's hope,

765
00:27:19,606 --> 00:27:21,608
we recognized minister scott,

766
00:27:21,608 --> 00:27:22,609
the division will convert a transit

767
00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:24,611
bus into overnight mobile

768
00:27:24,611 --> 00:27:25,612
emergency shelter providing sleeping

769
00:27:25,612 --> 00:27:27,612
accommodation for

770
00:27:28,582 --> 00:27:30,982
unsheltered individuals county wide.

771
00:27:31,585 --> 00:27:34,588
the total cost of the bus conversion as well

772
00:27:34,588 --> 00:27:35,589
as the delivery of social services

773
00:27:35,589 --> 00:27:37,589
to

774
00:27:37,591 --> 00:27:38,592
these individuals who suffer from

775
00:27:38,592 --> 00:27:40,592
homelessless

776
00:27:40,594 --> 00:27:43,597
while they are in our care

777
00:27:43,597 --> 00:27:45,597
is

778
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,603
$787,000 in one year. We anticipate that

779
00:27:49,603 --> 00:27:52,603
the mobile emergency shelter will

780
00:27:52,606 --> 00:27:54,606
serve approximately 2,000

781
00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:58,900
individuals annually. Orange county

782
00:27:58,612 --> 00:27:59,580
head start will be working with big

783
00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:01,580
smiles

784
00:28:01,582 --> 00:28:04,582
florida to offer mobile on-site

785
00:28:04,585 --> 00:28:07,588
dental services for all students all of

786
00:28:07,588 --> 00:28:08,589
the students, services will include

787
00:28:08,589 --> 00:28:10,589
dental

788
00:28:11,592 --> 00:28:13,592
exams,

789
00:28:13,594 --> 00:28:15,994
cleanings, fluoride treatments, sealants

790
00:28:16,597 --> 00:28:18,599
and follow-up care. All services are

791
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:20,601
provided at no cost to the program

792
00:28:20,601 --> 00:28:21,602
families. These are

793
00:28:21,602 --> 00:28:23,604
families within our orange county

794
00:28:23,604 --> 00:28:24,605
head

795
00:28:24,605 --> 00:28:26,607
start program. The county identified

796
00:28:26,607 --> 00:28:28,607
the affordable

797
00:28:28,609 --> 00:28:32,579
housing trust fund as a funding source for

798
00:28:32,579 --> 00:28:35,579
the rebuilding together central florida

799
00:28:35,582 --> 00:28:37,982
safe at home program.

800
00:28:38,585 --> 00:28:41,585
and reserved $460,000 for minor repairs

801
00:28:41,588 --> 00:28:43,588
of single-family homes.

802
00:28:44,591 --> 00:28:46,591
the program anticipates

803
00:28:46,593 --> 00:28:49,593
completing repairs to at least 15

804
00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:51,598
owner/occupied single-family homes,

805
00:28:51,598 --> 00:28:53,600
with very, very or moderate income

806
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,000
households where at least

807
00:28:56,603 --> 00:28:59,603
one household member is either

808
00:28:59,606 --> 00:29:02,600
a senior citizen or

809
00:29:02,609 --> 00:29:03,610
disabled. Repairs are focused

810
00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:05,612
on increasing safety so these seniors

811
00:29:05,612 --> 00:29:07,581
can age in place

812
00:29:07,581 --> 00:29:08,582
and allow those who are disabled to

813
00:29:08,582 --> 00:29:10,582
have

814
00:29:11,585 --> 00:29:13,585
full accessibility of

815
00:29:14,588 --> 00:29:16,988
their homes. We approved

816
00:29:17,591 --> 00:29:20,591
the sand lake road safety

817
00:29:20,594 --> 00:29:22,594
improvements project. These

818
00:29:22,596 --> 00:29:23,597
operational improvements will add

819
00:29:23,597 --> 00:29:25,597
east and

820
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600
westbound right turn lanes between

821
00:29:29,603 --> 00:29:32,300
rialto drive reducing the

822
00:29:32,606 --> 00:29:35,600
potential of side-swipe cashes.

823
00:29:35,609 --> 00:29:37,611
the upgrades along with

824
00:29:37,611 --> 00:29:39,580
other access management will eliminate

825
00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:41,582
several existing conflict points.

826
00:29:41,582 --> 00:29:43,582
the construction

827
00:29:44,585 --> 00:29:45,586
of

828
00:29:45,586 --> 00:29:47,588
a 10-foot wide shared use path on

829
00:29:47,588 --> 00:29:49,988
the south side of

830
00:29:50,591 --> 00:29:51,592
the road they will provide a safety facility

831
00:29:51,592 --> 00:29:53,592
for

832
00:29:53,594 --> 00:29:55,594
pedestrians and recreational

833
00:29:56,597 --> 00:29:57,598
cyclists.

834
00:29:57,598 --> 00:29:59,600
also, as part of the orange county

835
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600
vision zero initiative,

836
00:30:02,603 --> 00:30:04,605
the public works is applying

837
00:30:04,605 --> 00:30:05,606
a comprehensive strategy to provide

838
00:30:05,606 --> 00:30:07,606
safe facilities for

839
00:30:07,608 --> 00:30:08,609
all roadway uses and eliminate conflict

840
00:30:08,609 --> 00:30:10,609
points

841
00:30:11,612 --> 00:30:14,581
that can lead to more severe

842
00:30:14,581 --> 00:30:16,581
crashes.

843
00:30:17,584 --> 00:30:18,585
this project is another step to help

844
00:30:18,585 --> 00:30:20,585
our

845
00:30:20,587 --> 00:30:22,587
county eliminating all

846
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,590
roadway fatalities

847
00:30:25,592 --> 00:30:26,593
and serious injuries. So that's good

848
00:30:26,593 --> 00:30:28,593
news for

849
00:30:29,596 --> 00:30:31,596
our community.

850
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:33,600
so sometimes when you hear criticism

851
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,601
by

852
00:30:34,601 --> 00:30:35,602
the state of florida about how we

853
00:30:35,602 --> 00:30:37,602
might

854
00:30:38,605 --> 00:30:41,605
be spending your dollars, general

855
00:30:41,608 --> 00:30:42,609
tax dollars, without those dollars, we

856
00:30:42,609 --> 00:30:44,609
could

857
00:30:44,611 --> 00:30:45,612
not do these types of things within

858
00:30:45,612 --> 00:30:46,580
our

859
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:47,581
community. So this is as a direct

860
00:30:47,581 --> 00:30:49,981
result of what we

861
00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:51,585
hear from you, the citizens who

862
00:30:51,585 --> 00:30:53,587
come before us sometimes during public

863
00:30:53,587 --> 00:30:55,587
comment you bring

864
00:30:55,589 --> 00:30:56,590
different issues that you want to

865
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,590
address, almost all of those

866
00:30:59,593 --> 00:31:01,595
issues that you bring to us,

867
00:31:01,595 --> 00:31:02,596
require some type of financial solution.

868
00:31:02,596 --> 00:31:04,596
and this is

869
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,600
where within our budget where we

870
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,602
have flexibility to address these

871
00:31:08,602 --> 00:31:11,602
myriad of issues. This is

872
00:31:11,605 --> 00:31:12,606
how we do it. So keep that in mind

873
00:31:12,606 --> 00:31:14,606
as

874
00:31:14,608 --> 00:31:17,800
you hear some other

875
00:31:17,611 --> 00:31:19,580
narratives that sometimes come

876
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:20,581
out for other reasons. So with that,

877
00:31:20,581 --> 00:31:23,581
we're going to move to

878
00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:25,584
our discussion

879
00:31:26,587 --> 00:31:28,987
agenda. Carey mathis, award-

880
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:31,990
winning manager from the

881
00:31:34,595 --> 00:31:35,596
procurement division be will be -- our

882
00:31:35,596 --> 00:31:36,597
items.

883
00:31:36,597 --> 00:31:38,597
>> I want

884
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:39,600
to recognize matthew's hope. Thursday

885
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600
night in district

886
00:31:41,602 --> 00:31:44,605
two we are hosting a homeless

887
00:31:44,605 --> 00:31:45,606
services town hall thursday night

888
00:31:45,606 --> 00:31:47,608
6:00 p.m. At the center

889
00:31:47,608 --> 00:31:48,609
and we will have the bus there

890
00:31:48,609 --> 00:31:50,611
if people want to come and tour one of

891
00:31:50,611 --> 00:31:52,579
these sleeper busses.

892
00:31:52,579 --> 00:31:53,580
thank you for the opportunity for

893
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:55,580
a little

894
00:31:56,583 --> 00:31:58,585
plug for lisa gram and

895
00:31:58,585 --> 00:31:59,586
matthew's hope we will have that thursday

896
00:31:59,586 --> 00:32:01,586
night

897
00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:05,592
at 6:00 p.m. Thank you. Way to go

898
00:32:05,592 --> 00:32:06,593
as you're leaving. See you soon.

899
00:32:06,593 --> 00:32:07,594
>> all

900
00:32:07,594 --> 00:32:08,595
right.

901
00:32:08,595 --> 00:32:10,597
ms. Matthews, you're recognized.

902
00:32:10,597 --> 00:32:11,598
>> thank you. Good morning, mayor

903
00:32:11,598 --> 00:32:13,598
commissioners. The

904
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,601
procurement committee has evaluated

905
00:32:14,601 --> 00:32:16,601
proposals for security

906
00:32:17,604 --> 00:32:19,604
guard services for

907
00:32:20,607 --> 00:32:23,607
utilities. Requesting one firm and

908
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:25,610
two ranked

909
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:27,581
alternates. Commissioner uribe was

910
00:32:27,581 --> 00:32:29,581
assigned.

911
00:32:29,583 --> 00:32:30,584
>> commission are uribe do you have

912
00:32:30,584 --> 00:32:32,584
a

913
00:32:32,586 --> 00:32:33,587
potential motion.

914
00:32:33,587 --> 00:32:34,588
>> I move fort selection

915
00:32:34,588 --> 00:32:36,588
of

916
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:39,590
aps american protection services and

917
00:32:39,593 --> 00:32:41,593
investigations with 386. 74

918
00:32:41,595 --> 00:32:42,596
points with security alliance llc

919
00:32:42,596 --> 00:32:44,596
with

920
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,599
315. 66

921
00:32:48,602 --> 00:32:50,602
points, and fidelity

922
00:32:50,604 --> 00:32:51,605
security agency llc with 297 points

923
00:32:51,605 --> 00:32:53,605
as

924
00:32:53,607 --> 00:32:54,608
a ranked alternate as well as a requested

925
00:32:54,608 --> 00:32:55,609
action

926
00:32:55,609 --> 00:32:56,610
on this.

927
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:57,611
>> second, scott. >> we have a

928
00:32:57,611 --> 00:33:00,110
motion and a second.

929
00:33:00,581 --> 00:33:02,583
all in favor let it be known

930
00:33:02,583 --> 00:33:03,584
saying yea.

931
00:33:03,584 --> 00:33:04,585
>> yea. >> opposed no.

932
00:33:04,585 --> 00:33:06,585
motion

933
00:33:06,587 --> 00:33:08,987
passes. It is unanimous.

934
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:12,593
we'll move forward move to the

935
00:33:12,593 --> 00:33:14,593
next discussion item,

936
00:33:15,596 --> 00:33:18,596
each year during this time

937
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,601
of year the board takes under

938
00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:23,100
consideration nomination for vice

939
00:33:24,605 --> 00:33:26,607
mayor and this would be the vice

940
00:33:26,607 --> 00:33:27,608
mayor position for 2026 calendar year.

941
00:33:27,608 --> 00:33:29,608
to

942
00:33:30,611 --> 00:33:31,612
give the

943
00:33:31,612 --> 00:33:35,212
board perspective for the last six

944
00:33:36,583 --> 00:33:38,583
years beginning in

945
00:33:39,586 --> 00:33:41,986
2020, we had district 5 commissioner

946
00:33:42,589 --> 00:33:45,589
serve as the vice mayor,

947
00:33:45,592 --> 00:33:47,592
2021,

948
00:33:47,594 --> 00:33:49,594
2022, district 3, 20 --correction,

949
00:33:51,598 --> 00:33:53,598
2022, district 3,

950
00:33:54,601 --> 00:33:56,601
2023, district

951
00:33:57,604 --> 00:33:59,604
4, 2024,

952
00:34:00,607 --> 00:34:02,607
district 1, and 2025, is

953
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:05,610
district 6. So

954
00:34:05,612 --> 00:34:06,580
commissioner michael scott is currently

955
00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:08,980
serving as the year

956
00:34:09,583 --> 00:34:12,586
comes to an end and we'll

957
00:34:12,586 --> 00:34:14,586
take

958
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:16,590
up nominations for 2026.

959
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:17,591
>> commissioner

960
00:34:17,591 --> 00:34:18,592
scott

961
00:34:18,592 --> 00:34:19,593
has nominated commissioner semrad.

962
00:34:19,593 --> 00:34:20,594
>> I

963
00:34:20,594 --> 00:34:21,595
second that.

964
00:34:21,595 --> 00:34:22,596
>> okay. >> we have a

965
00:34:22,596 --> 00:34:24,596
second

966
00:34:24,598 --> 00:34:27,601
on that. There are no further

967
00:34:27,601 --> 00:34:30,100
nominations. Are you ready

968
00:34:30,604 --> 00:34:33,400
for the vote all

969
00:34:33,607 --> 00:34:34,608
in favor for

970
00:34:34,608 --> 00:34:36,610
commissioner semrad from district

971
00:34:36,610 --> 00:34:38,610
5 serving, say

972
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:42,583
yea. Opposed no. The vote passes it

973
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:43,584
is unanimous.

974
00:34:43,584 --> 00:34:45,584
congratulations commissioner semrad.

975
00:34:45,586 --> 00:34:47,586
with that comes

976
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:50,589
other duties that

977
00:34:51,592 --> 00:34:53,592
you will be

978
00:34:54,595 --> 00:34:57,598
required to during the year and

979
00:34:57,598 --> 00:34:59,998
2026, what I'm doing, I

980
00:35:00,601 --> 00:35:02,601
would

981
00:35:03,604 --> 00:35:05,606
be on the road quite a bit

982
00:35:05,606 --> 00:35:06,607
throughout florida and it's important for

983
00:35:06,607 --> 00:35:08,607
the voice mayor

984
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:10,611
to help cover me on the road doing part

985
00:35:10,611 --> 00:35:11,612
of

986
00:35:11,612 --> 00:35:12,613
the people's work. Thank you very much.

987
00:35:12,613 --> 00:35:14,581
>> thank you, mayor.

988
00:35:14,581 --> 00:35:15,582
with that let's all give commissioner

989
00:35:15,582 --> 00:35:16,583
scott a round of applause for the wonderful year.

990
00:35:16,583 --> 00:35:18,583
[ applause ]

991
00:35:21,588 --> 00:35:23,588
thank

992
00:35:24,591 --> 00:35:25,592
you, commissioner scott.

993
00:35:25,592 --> 00:35:27,592
>>

994
00:35:27,594 --> 00:35:30,594
and now we'll move forward

995
00:35:30,597 --> 00:35:32,597
on our agenda

996
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,600
to

997
00:35:36,603 --> 00:35:39,300
the next item, ms.

998
00:35:39,606 --> 00:35:40,607
mark will be coming forward to present

999
00:35:40,607 --> 00:35:42,607
the red

1000
00:35:42,609 --> 00:35:44,609
light camera program

1001
00:35:45,612 --> 00:35:48,582
summary report for fiscal year

1002
00:35:48,582 --> 00:35:49,583
2024/2025, no specific action required, this

1003
00:35:49,583 --> 00:35:50,584
is

1004
00:35:50,584 --> 00:35:51,585
something that is mandated legislatively

1005
00:35:51,585 --> 00:35:54,585
that each year we have

1006
00:35:54,588 --> 00:35:56,988
to come forward, and

1007
00:35:57,591 --> 00:36:00,591
he has to actually read

1008
00:36:00,594 --> 00:36:01,595
the summary of what occurred with

1009
00:36:01,595 --> 00:36:03,595
the

1010
00:36:03,597 --> 00:36:04,598
automated red light enforcement program in

1011
00:36:04,598 --> 00:36:06,598
the last

1012
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,603
year. So with that, mr. Marks,

1013
00:36:09,603 --> 00:36:10,604
you're recognized.

1014
00:36:10,604 --> 00:36:12,604
>> thank you, mayor.

1015
00:36:12,606 --> 00:36:13,607
good morning, mayor and commissioners.

1016
00:36:13,607 --> 00:36:15,607
my

1017
00:36:15,609 --> 00:36:16,610
name is jer rald marks. I'm a project

1018
00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:18,610
manager in

1019
00:36:18,612 --> 00:36:19,580
the traffic engineering division of

1020
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:20,581
public

1021
00:36:20,581 --> 00:36:21,582
works and traffic engineering oversees

1022
00:36:21,582 --> 00:36:23,982
the red light camera

1023
00:36:24,585 --> 00:36:27,585
program. As of july 1st

1024
00:36:27,588 --> 00:36:30,591
, 2024, the state of florida has implemented

1025
00:36:30,591 --> 00:36:32,991
changes to florida statute

1026
00:36:33,594 --> 00:36:35,994
316. 0083, also known as the

1027
00:36:36,597 --> 00:36:37,598
mark 1 bill act. These changes require any

1028
00:36:37,598 --> 00:36:39,598
local

1029
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,000
government or entity operating

1030
00:36:42,603 --> 00:36:45,606
a red light camera program to

1031
00:36:45,606 --> 00:36:47,608
publicly summarize and read

1032
00:36:47,608 --> 00:36:48,609
aloud its annual report. This report

1033
00:36:48,609 --> 00:36:50,609
is submitted each

1034
00:36:50,611 --> 00:36:51,612
year. It's in a questionnaire format

1035
00:36:51,612 --> 00:36:54,581
we send to the state, but this

1036
00:36:54,581 --> 00:36:55,582
is the first year it's required to

1037
00:36:55,582 --> 00:36:57,982
be put into a

1038
00:36:58,585 --> 00:37:01,588
report and read to the public

1039
00:37:01,588 --> 00:37:02,589
and allowed for public comment.

1040
00:37:02,589 --> 00:37:04,591
the presentation provides a summary

1041
00:37:04,591 --> 00:37:05,592
that

1042
00:37:05,592 --> 00:37:09,596
allows the public to comment as well.

1043
00:37:09,596 --> 00:37:10,597
so the purpose is to provide a written

1044
00:37:10,597 --> 00:37:12,597
summary

1045
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
that must be read

1046
00:37:19,606 --> 00:37:21,608
aloud that complies with the

1047
00:37:21,608 --> 00:37:24,608
new legislation, florida stat today

1048
00:37:25,612 --> 00:37:27,581
316.0083.

1049
00:37:27,581 --> 00:37:28,582
the overview has the statistics of the

1050
00:37:28,582 --> 00:37:30,582
number of

1051
00:37:31,585 --> 00:37:33,585
notice of violations

1052
00:37:34,588 --> 00:37:35,589
which you'll hear me refer to as

1053
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:37,591
novs, captured when a vehicle has

1054
00:37:37,591 --> 00:37:38,592
entered into

1055
00:37:38,592 --> 00:37:40,594
the intersection and the light has

1056
00:37:40,594 --> 00:37:41,595
turned red.

1057
00:37:41,595 --> 00:37:43,597
uniformed traffic citations hear me

1058
00:37:43,597 --> 00:37:45,597
refer to those

1059
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,602
as utcs and the

1060
00:37:48,602 --> 00:37:49,603
utcs when goes unanswered for a period

1061
00:37:49,603 --> 00:37:51,603
of

1062
00:37:51,605 --> 00:37:53,607
time, that notice of violation is

1063
00:37:53,607 --> 00:37:55,609
converted into a uniformed traffic

1064
00:37:55,609 --> 00:37:57,611
citation or utc and the

1065
00:37:57,611 --> 00:37:58,612
fines are increased with that and

1066
00:37:58,612 --> 00:38:00,581
then if

1067
00:38:00,581 --> 00:38:03,584
that still goes unanswered, the owner,

1068
00:38:03,584 --> 00:38:06,587
the registered owner, is the driver's less

1069
00:38:06,587 --> 00:38:07,588
is suspended and the registration

1070
00:38:07,588 --> 00:38:08,589
put

1071
00:38:08,589 --> 00:38:10,591
on hold. And then we'll talk about

1072
00:38:10,591 --> 00:38:11,592
the

1073
00:38:11,592 --> 00:38:13,594
revenue dispersement and thatthat

1074
00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:15,994
moneys that come from

1075
00:38:16,597 --> 00:38:18,599
the citation goes to a

1076
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:19,600
different variety of pots and some

1077
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,602
of those are required

1078
00:38:21,602 --> 00:38:24,605
to send to the state and some of those

1079
00:38:24,605 --> 00:38:25,606
we use for the program itself and

1080
00:38:25,606 --> 00:38:28,606
improvements within our safety system.

1081
00:38:34,581 --> 00:38:35,582
okay. So orange county revenues

1082
00:38:35,582 --> 00:38:37,584
fund the --some of the projects we

1083
00:38:37,584 --> 00:38:39,586
have, so the money

1084
00:38:39,586 --> 00:38:40,587
that we received from things we used

1085
00:38:40,587 --> 00:38:41,588
for

1086
00:38:41,588 --> 00:38:43,590
intersection improvements in district

1087
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:46,590
one a turn lane addition

1088
00:38:46,593 --> 00:38:48,593
at seidel

1089
00:38:48,595 --> 00:38:49,596
and bowery creating issues with some

1090
00:38:49,596 --> 00:38:51,596
of the

1091
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,601
residents. A traffic circle, the

1092
00:38:54,601 --> 00:38:55,602
first picket at the stop, at sherrington

1093
00:38:55,602 --> 00:38:57,602
and

1094
00:38:58,605 --> 00:39:01,605
shorecrest. We were having cut-

1095
00:39:01,608 --> 00:39:03,608
through traffic

1096
00:39:04,611 --> 00:39:06,580
on lee road and in that area so

1097
00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:07,581
this traffic circle slows down the

1098
00:39:07,581 --> 00:39:09,581
traffic as

1099
00:39:10,584 --> 00:39:12,584
this approach

1100
00:39:13,587 --> 00:39:16,587
the intersection. The bottom is

1101
00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:18,990
a raised intersection on

1102
00:39:19,593 --> 00:39:22,596
powers drive in district 6 at the

1103
00:39:22,596 --> 00:39:25,599
park and issues with people exceeding

1104
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,602
the speed limit and so we constructed

1105
00:39:28,602 --> 00:39:30,602
a raised crosswalk

1106
00:39:31,605 --> 00:39:34,500
with the rapid rectangular

1107
00:39:34,608 --> 00:39:36,610
beacons at the park and

1108
00:39:36,610 --> 00:39:37,611
made a huge difference in vehicles

1109
00:39:37,611 --> 00:39:39,611
traveling on powers

1110
00:39:40,581 --> 00:39:41,582
drive through that area. A corrected

1111
00:39:41,582 --> 00:39:42,583
report

1112
00:39:42,583 --> 00:39:43,584
is being read into the record today

1113
00:39:43,584 --> 00:39:45,984
and these statistics match

1114
00:39:46,587 --> 00:39:47,588
the numbers I have mentioned earlier reported

1115
00:39:47,588 --> 00:39:49,588
to

1116
00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:50,591
the state every year and the questionnaire report.

1117
00:39:50,591 --> 00:39:51,592
so

1118
00:39:51,592 --> 00:39:52,593
this presentation is for informational

1119
00:39:52,593 --> 00:39:54,593
purpose only. No

1120
00:39:54,595 --> 00:39:55,596
action is required and public comment

1121
00:39:55,596 --> 00:39:57,596
is allowed after

1122
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:00,599
the

1123
00:40:01,602 --> 00:40:03,602
reading of this

1124
00:40:07,608 --> 00:40:09,608
report. Okay.

1125
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:10,611
the orange county red light program

1126
00:40:10,611 --> 00:40:12,611
supports the vision

1127
00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:14,581
zero initiative by enhancing safety

1128
00:40:14,581 --> 00:40:15,582
intersection

1129
00:40:15,582 --> 00:40:17,584
safety, reducing red light violations

1130
00:40:17,584 --> 00:40:19,586
and advancing the goal of eliminating

1131
00:40:19,586 --> 00:40:21,586
traffic fatalities

1132
00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:25,592
and serious injury on county roadways.

1133
00:40:25,592 --> 00:40:27,594
the orange county currently

1134
00:40:27,594 --> 00:40:30,594
operates 57 red light cameras at 35

1135
00:40:30,597 --> 00:40:31,598
intersections located within unincorporated

1136
00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:33,998
areas of the county.

1137
00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,601
effective july 1st, 2024,

1138
00:40:37,604 --> 00:40:39,604
florida statute 316. 0083 was

1139
00:40:39,606 --> 00:40:40,607
amended to require municipalities

1140
00:40:40,607 --> 00:40:42,607
and jurisdictions

1141
00:40:42,609 --> 00:40:43,610
to operate red light camera programs

1142
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:46,580
to provide a report of

1143
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:48,582
program results to the local

1144
00:40:48,582 --> 00:40:49,583
governing body. This report must be

1145
00:40:49,583 --> 00:40:51,583
presented both

1146
00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:54,586
as written presented

1147
00:40:54,588 --> 00:40:55,589
and written summary read aloud at

1148
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:57,589
a

1149
00:40:58,592 --> 00:40:59,593
public meeting. The table below contains

1150
00:40:59,593 --> 00:41:00,594
the

1151
00:41:00,594 --> 00:41:01,595
required information for the july

1152
00:41:01,595 --> 00:41:03,595
21st --july

1153
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,999
1st, 2024 through june 30th,

1154
00:41:08,602 --> 00:41:10,602
2025,

1155
00:41:10,604 --> 00:41:11,605
reporting period. The number of notice

1156
00:41:11,605 --> 00:41:13,605
violations

1157
00:41:14,608 --> 00:41:17,800
issued, 79,471 and that's a

1158
00:41:17,611 --> 00:41:20,110
dated number from the

1159
00:41:20,581 --> 00:41:22,581
79,569 that was published.

1160
00:41:22,583 --> 00:41:25,583
including 542 right turn on reds.

1161
00:41:26,587 --> 00:41:28,589
the rtor stands for r turn on

1162
00:41:28,589 --> 00:41:29,590
red. The number of violations paid

1163
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:31,590
for this

1164
00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:34,593
reporting period 44,470 and

1165
00:41:35,596 --> 00:41:37,996
we've added the included 357

1166
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:39,600
for right turn on reds.

1167
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,602
the number of notice of violations

1168
00:41:41,602 --> 00:41:44,200
contested during this period

1169
00:41:44,605 --> 00:41:47,605
was 111. The number of notice

1170
00:41:47,608 --> 00:41:49,610
of violations that were upheld

1171
00:41:49,610 --> 00:41:52,610
contested but upheld were 71, including

1172
00:41:52,613 --> 00:41:53,580
three right turn on reds. The number

1173
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:54,581
of notice

1174
00:41:54,581 --> 00:41:58,181
of violations dismissed from the ones

1175
00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:00,587
that were contested were 9. And the

1176
00:42:00,587 --> 00:42:02,587
number

1177
00:42:02,589 --> 00:42:05,589
of notices of violations issued

1178
00:42:05,592 --> 00:42:07,592
as uniformed traffic

1179
00:42:08,595 --> 00:42:10,595
vietations is 21,750

1180
00:42:11,598 --> 00:42:13,598
corrected from the 31,019.

1181
00:42:14,601 --> 00:42:17,100
we've corrected the including

1182
00:42:17,604 --> 00:42:20,604
177 right turn on red from

1183
00:42:20,607 --> 00:42:23,607
117. And the number of pending

1184
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:26,100
issuance violations that were

1185
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:28,580
issued as or

1186
00:42:29,583 --> 00:42:30,584
pending for uniformed traffic citations

1187
00:42:30,584 --> 00:42:32,584
are

1188
00:42:32,586 --> 00:42:34,586
1,935. Below it has

1189
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:38,592
a couple notes, rtr, right turn

1190
00:42:38,592 --> 00:42:40,594
on red, new statistic required for

1191
00:42:40,594 --> 00:42:41,595
reporting. Orange county has two intersections

1192
00:42:41,595 --> 00:42:43,597
we monitor the right

1193
00:42:43,597 --> 00:42:44,598
turn on red. The fines for the notice

1194
00:42:44,598 --> 00:42:46,598
of

1195
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,601
violations are $158. And then the

1196
00:42:47,601 --> 00:42:50,601
increased fine when it turns

1197
00:42:50,604 --> 00:42:53,604
to a utc or uniformed

1198
00:42:53,607 --> 00:42:55,609
traffic citation is $262. Due to

1199
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:56,610
the overlap of within the reporting

1200
00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:57,611
period and when

1201
00:42:57,611 --> 00:42:59,613
the violations are collected versus

1202
00:42:59,613 --> 00:43:02,130
when paid and versus

1203
00:43:02,583 --> 00:43:04,585
when the violations are issued,

1204
00:43:04,585 --> 00:43:08,589
the data won't match exactly. A violation

1205
00:43:08,589 --> 00:43:11,592
could have occurred back in 2019 and

1206
00:43:11,592 --> 00:43:14,595
is not paid until the period

1207
00:43:14,595 --> 00:43:15,596
and if it's only recorded during the

1208
00:43:15,596 --> 00:43:16,597
reporting period

1209
00:43:16,597 --> 00:43:17,598
it won't show up. The numbers won't

1210
00:43:17,598 --> 00:43:19,998
match. The table shows

1211
00:43:20,601 --> 00:43:22,601
how the funds

1212
00:43:23,604 --> 00:43:24,605
collected

1213
00:43:24,605 --> 00:43:26,607
$9,444,436 were distributed and their

1214
00:43:26,607 --> 00:43:28,607
amounts. The

1215
00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:32,100
general revenue fund received

1216
00:43:32,613 --> 00:43:34,581
$3,453,700. Department of health

1217
00:43:34,581 --> 00:43:35,582
emergency mel services trust fund

1218
00:43:35,582 --> 00:43:37,582
received

1219
00:43:38,585 --> 00:43:40,585
$493,610, the

1220
00:43:41,588 --> 00:43:42,589
brain and spinal cord injury trust

1221
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:44,589
fund

1222
00:43:44,591 --> 00:43:46,591
received

1223
00:43:47,594 --> 00:43:49,994
$147,993 and the orange county

1224
00:43:50,597 --> 00:43:52,597
revenue was

1225
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,599
5,339,673. Orange county's revenue

1226
00:43:56,603 --> 00:43:59,300
was allocated as follows,

1227
00:43:59,606 --> 00:44:00,607
2,364,560 was paid for vendor

1228
00:44:00,607 --> 00:44:02,609
services, 150,000 of that covered

1229
00:44:02,609 --> 00:44:04,609
costs

1230
00:44:05,612 --> 00:44:07,581
and salaries for contract

1231
00:44:07,581 --> 00:44:08,582
administration, $1. 2 million was

1232
00:44:08,582 --> 00:44:10,582
used for

1233
00:44:11,585 --> 00:44:12,586
contract enforcement, the orange county sheriff's

1234
00:44:12,586 --> 00:44:14,586
office

1235
00:44:14,588 --> 00:44:15,589
and $50,000 spend on

1236
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:17,591
miscellaneous equipment and items for

1237
00:44:17,591 --> 00:44:19,591
the program costs.

1238
00:44:19,593 --> 00:44:20,594
the remaining orange county revenue

1239
00:44:20,594 --> 00:44:22,994
and the amount of

1240
00:44:23,597 --> 00:44:25,597
1,575,113

1241
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:26,600
was placed in public works budget

1242
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,600
and used

1243
00:44:29,603 --> 00:44:32,603
for multiple traffic related safety

1244
00:44:32,606 --> 00:44:35,609
prompts to achieve zero vision goal,

1245
00:44:35,609 --> 00:44:37,609
performing studies, pedestrian

1246
00:44:38,612 --> 00:44:40,581
crosswalk improvements and new

1247
00:44:40,581 --> 00:44:41,582
signal installation at intersections

1248
00:44:41,582 --> 00:44:43,582
and

1249
00:44:44,585 --> 00:44:45,586
saw some of those on the slide that

1250
00:44:45,586 --> 00:44:47,586
was

1251
00:44:47,588 --> 00:44:50,591
the traffic de vices there. Data shown

1252
00:44:50,591 --> 00:44:53,594
and --data shows a reduction of approximately

1253
00:44:53,594 --> 00:44:55,596
36% in total crashes at

1254
00:44:55,596 --> 00:44:56,597
intersections monitored by red light

1255
00:44:56,597 --> 00:44:58,597
cameras since

1256
00:44:58,599 --> 00:44:59,600
the program's inception since 2013.

1257
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,601
with that,

1258
00:45:00,601 --> 00:45:05,401
that concludes the report mandated by the state.

1259
00:45:05,606 --> 00:45:07,608
>> any questions? >> stand by. I'm

1260
00:45:07,608 --> 00:45:08,609
going to open it up for public comment

1261
00:45:08,609 --> 00:45:10,609
before we go

1262
00:45:11,612 --> 00:45:12,613
to the board of county

1263
00:45:12,613 --> 00:45:14,581
commissioners for any questions or comments.

1264
00:45:14,581 --> 00:45:17,584
do we have members of the public

1265
00:45:17,584 --> 00:45:18,585
present who wish to be heard on this

1266
00:45:18,585 --> 00:45:20,585
item?

1267
00:45:20,587 --> 00:45:21,588
it appears there are none. With that

1268
00:45:21,588 --> 00:45:23,588
we

1269
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:25,990
go to commissioner wilson

1270
00:45:27,594 --> 00:45:28,595
followed by commissioner uribe.

1271
00:45:28,595 --> 00:45:29,596
>> thank you. I thank you. This is

1272
00:45:29,596 --> 00:45:30,597
interesting for me because this is

1273
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:31,598
a

1274
00:45:31,598 --> 00:45:33,600
requirement under state law. I think

1275
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
it's important for

1276
00:45:35,602 --> 00:45:36,603
us to share this interestingly enough,

1277
00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:38,603
the

1278
00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:40,607
investment that were made because, you

1279
00:45:40,607 --> 00:45:42,609
know, what I would believe is something we

1280
00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:44,609
would like to

1281
00:45:44,611 --> 00:45:45,612
see a shrinking amount of people to

1282
00:45:45,612 --> 00:45:46,613
continue

1283
00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:48,582
to obey the traffic laws. Hopefully

1284
00:45:48,582 --> 00:45:50,582
after

1285
00:45:50,584 --> 00:45:51,585
being cited. To see the intersections

1286
00:45:51,585 --> 00:45:53,585
invested in

1287
00:45:53,587 --> 00:45:54,588
in both of those to me look like the

1288
00:45:54,588 --> 00:45:55,589
ideal

1289
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:57,591
intersection the raised crosswalk,

1290
00:45:57,591 --> 00:45:59,593
the things the investments

1291
00:45:59,593 --> 00:46:00,594
we struggle to finance, and so having

1292
00:46:00,594 --> 00:46:01,595
that

1293
00:46:01,595 --> 00:46:03,597
is something that we can discuss with

1294
00:46:03,597 --> 00:46:05,599
the public if they have concerns.

1295
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:06,600
I appreciate the information and I

1296
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,600
know it's

1297
00:46:08,602 --> 00:46:09,603
a strange mandate from the state,

1298
00:46:09,603 --> 00:46:11,603
but, you

1299
00:46:11,605 --> 00:46:12,606
know, I think silver lining here I

1300
00:46:12,606 --> 00:46:13,607
think it's a really

1301
00:46:13,607 --> 00:46:15,609
good thing for us to take back to

1302
00:46:15,609 --> 00:46:17,611
the public and appreciate the efforts

1303
00:46:17,611 --> 00:46:18,612
by you and your team.

1304
00:46:18,612 --> 00:46:20,581
>> thank you,

1305
00:46:20,581 --> 00:46:21,582
commissioner.

1306
00:46:21,582 --> 00:46:22,583
>> commissioner uribe.

1307
00:46:22,583 --> 00:46:23,584
>>

1308
00:46:23,584 --> 00:46:24,585
I appreciate the update and I know

1309
00:46:24,585 --> 00:46:25,586
we've spoken

1310
00:46:25,586 --> 00:46:27,588
on this before and what I'm going

1311
00:46:27,588 --> 00:46:29,590
to share is not new to

1312
00:46:29,590 --> 00:46:30,591
you. Have there been any new installations

1313
00:46:30,591 --> 00:46:32,591
of

1314
00:46:32,593 --> 00:46:33,594
red light camera locations around

1315
00:46:33,594 --> 00:46:35,594
the county?

1316
00:46:35,596 --> 00:46:38,599
>> not that we have since 2019 was

1317
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:39,600
the last one at university and sundry

1318
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,600
was the last

1319
00:46:42,603 --> 00:46:43,604
one.

1320
00:46:43,604 --> 00:46:45,606
>> all right. And if

1321
00:46:45,606 --> 00:46:46,607
possible, I would like to

1322
00:46:46,607 --> 00:46:48,609
see a map because one of the things you and

1323
00:46:48,609 --> 00:46:51,609
I discussed it tends to

1324
00:46:51,612 --> 00:46:53,580
be in working class areas a lot.

1325
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:54,581
and district 3 we have them in taft

1326
00:46:54,581 --> 00:46:56,581
and pine

1327
00:46:57,584 --> 00:46:59,586
castle, we have them all

1328
00:46:59,586 --> 00:47:00,587
very dense in areas very specific

1329
00:47:00,587 --> 00:47:02,589
and I would think

1330
00:47:02,589 --> 00:47:03,590
that now with the different traffic

1331
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:05,590
patterns and the

1332
00:47:06,593 --> 00:47:08,595
growth, there would have been an an

1333
00:47:08,595 --> 00:47:09,596
laization to really explore at other

1334
00:47:09,596 --> 00:47:11,596
locations

1335
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:13,600
instead of isolating them all in certain

1336
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,602
communities which I think needs to

1337
00:47:15,602 --> 00:47:16,603
be looked at. If you

1338
00:47:16,603 --> 00:47:18,605
could, I would love to see when is

1339
00:47:18,605 --> 00:47:20,607
the last time we've

1340
00:47:20,607 --> 00:47:21,608
done a study of these and --

1341
00:47:21,608 --> 00:47:22,609
>> okay.

1342
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:23,610
>>

1343
00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:24,611
of locations and traffic. When I was

1344
00:47:24,611 --> 00:47:26,613
told --I got this

1345
00:47:26,613 --> 00:47:27,581
information when I was first elected.

1346
00:47:27,581 --> 00:47:29,581
it was 2018.

1347
00:47:29,583 --> 00:47:30,584
that when I asked why are there so

1348
00:47:30,584 --> 00:47:32,584
many in

1349
00:47:32,586 --> 00:47:33,587
district 3 and district 6, I was told well,

1350
00:47:33,587 --> 00:47:35,587
that's

1351
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:38,592
where all the traffic patterns are.

1352
00:47:38,592 --> 00:47:39,593
well, we've known in seven and a half

1353
00:47:39,593 --> 00:47:41,593
years there's been

1354
00:47:41,595 --> 00:47:42,596
tremendous amount of growth, but when I look

1355
00:47:42,596 --> 00:47:44,596
at

1356
00:47:44,598 --> 00:47:45,599
taft, mine castle I've got so many

1357
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,599
red cameras around

1358
00:47:47,601 --> 00:47:48,602
my home, I love off boston trail,

1359
00:47:48,602 --> 00:47:50,602
my cartels

1360
00:47:50,604 --> 00:47:51,605
me, warns me, red light camera approaching,

1361
00:47:51,605 --> 00:47:53,605
red light

1362
00:47:53,607 --> 00:47:54,608
camera approaching, that's how dense

1363
00:47:54,608 --> 00:47:56,610
they are in certain

1364
00:47:56,610 --> 00:47:57,611
areas. I don't think that's fair and

1365
00:47:57,611 --> 00:47:59,611
you look

1366
00:48:00,581 --> 00:48:05,381
at the county as a whole if we're

1367
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:11,592
and see what and it's

1368
00:48:11,592 --> 00:48:12,593
been 2016 you said or 2017?

1369
00:48:12,593 --> 00:48:13,594
>> when

1370
00:48:13,594 --> 00:48:14,595
we did the

1371
00:48:14,595 --> 00:48:15,596
last study 2018, correct.

1372
00:48:15,596 --> 00:48:17,596
>> okay.

1373
00:48:17,598 --> 00:48:18,599
then where are we now? Because it's --

1374
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:20,599
>> right

1375
00:48:21,602 --> 00:48:22,603
now the red light camera the rfp about

1376
00:48:22,603 --> 00:48:23,604
to

1377
00:48:23,604 --> 00:48:24,605
go up for advertisement and part of

1378
00:48:24,605 --> 00:48:26,605
that is that

1379
00:48:27,608 --> 00:48:29,610
the vendor we work with the vendor

1380
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:30,611
to look at areas of traffic concerns

1381
00:48:30,611 --> 00:48:32,613
and so we work

1382
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:33,580
with the sheriff's office, we work

1383
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:35,580
with signal 4

1384
00:48:35,582 --> 00:48:36,583
and look at the areas where the commuters

1385
00:48:36,583 --> 00:48:38,585
are coming in and going

1386
00:48:38,585 --> 00:48:39,586
to and look at where the accidents

1387
00:48:39,586 --> 00:48:41,986
are happening and so

1388
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:43,590
we take that into account and use

1389
00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:44,591
that

1390
00:48:44,591 --> 00:48:45,592
for our data for our red light camera

1391
00:48:45,592 --> 00:48:47,992
analysis when we look

1392
00:48:48,595 --> 00:48:50,995
for new locations for

1393
00:48:51,598 --> 00:48:54,601
red light cameras. With this new contract

1394
00:48:54,601 --> 00:48:56,603
advertised and new vendor or

1395
00:48:56,603 --> 00:48:57,604
existing whomever wins the contract

1396
00:48:57,604 --> 00:49:00,400
is an opportunity to

1397
00:49:00,607 --> 00:49:02,609
look at new areas and apply

1398
00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:03,610
these counter measures for running

1399
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:04,611
red lights.

1400
00:49:04,611 --> 00:49:06,611
>>

1401
00:49:06,613 --> 00:49:08,582
how many cameras are there

1402
00:49:08,582 --> 00:49:09,583
in whole across orange county.

1403
00:49:09,583 --> 00:49:10,584
>>

1404
00:49:10,584 --> 00:49:11,585
57 cameras.

1405
00:49:11,585 --> 00:49:12,586
>> yeah. If I could.

1406
00:49:12,586 --> 00:49:13,587
I remember when I saw this when I was

1407
00:49:13,587 --> 00:49:15,587
first

1408
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:18,589
elected there was a dense

1409
00:49:18,592 --> 00:49:21,592
in my area. You know

1410
00:49:21,595 --> 00:49:22,596
and also district 6 and 3

1411
00:49:22,596 --> 00:49:24,598
butt against each other, there was

1412
00:49:24,598 --> 00:49:27,601
a bunch in that area right

1413
00:49:27,601 --> 00:49:28,602
there. I would love to see this broken

1414
00:49:28,602 --> 00:49:29,603
down further.

1415
00:49:29,603 --> 00:49:30,604
thank you. Thanks for your data and

1416
00:49:30,604 --> 00:49:31,605
updates.

1417
00:49:31,605 --> 00:49:33,605
>> thank

1418
00:49:36,610 --> 00:49:38,610
you,

1419
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:41,613
commissioner.

1420
00:49:42,583 --> 00:49:44,583
>> commissioner

1421
00:49:44,585 --> 00:49:45,586
maribel gomez cordero.

1422
00:49:45,586 --> 00:49:46,587
>> thank you.

1423
00:49:46,587 --> 00:49:48,589
>> I have simple question.

1424
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:50,589
the first one

1425
00:49:52,593 --> 00:49:53,594
is, does the county has any

1426
00:49:53,594 --> 00:49:55,596
new intercession plan for new red

1427
00:49:55,596 --> 00:49:56,597
light cameras?

1428
00:49:56,597 --> 00:49:57,598
>> so with

1429
00:49:57,598 --> 00:50:01,602
the new contract we plan on we can

1430
00:50:01,602 --> 00:50:02,603
get expanding the program.

1431
00:50:02,603 --> 00:50:04,605
currently right now there is over

1432
00:50:04,605 --> 00:50:06,605
about

1433
00:50:06,607 --> 00:50:07,608
650 intersections signalized, only

1434
00:50:07,608 --> 00:50:09,608
35

1435
00:50:10,611 --> 00:50:13,110
have cameras with the 650

1436
00:50:13,614 --> 00:50:15,614
plus

1437
00:50:16,583 --> 00:50:18,583
intersections, more than 1200

1438
00:50:19,586 --> 00:50:21,986
approaches and we will

1439
00:50:22,589 --> 00:50:25,592
look at those within the next

1440
00:50:25,592 --> 00:50:27,992
rfp intersections to apply

1441
00:50:28,595 --> 00:50:30,597
these counter measures to.

1442
00:50:30,597 --> 00:50:31,598
that's based off the data I was talking

1443
00:50:31,598 --> 00:50:32,599
about, the

1444
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:33,600
crash data, the growth in the area

1445
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,603
and things of that nature as well.

1446
00:50:36,603 --> 00:50:37,604
>> I'm going to the data. Nynex question

1447
00:50:37,604 --> 00:50:39,604
is, is

1448
00:50:39,606 --> 00:50:40,607
there any data on how many violators

1449
00:50:40,607 --> 00:50:42,607
are

1450
00:50:43,610 --> 00:50:45,612
cars from out of

1451
00:50:45,612 --> 00:50:46,613
state versus cars here locally?

1452
00:50:46,613 --> 00:50:47,581
>>

1453
00:50:47,581 --> 00:50:48,582
we

1454
00:50:48,582 --> 00:50:49,583
don't have that data. We can definitely look

1455
00:50:49,583 --> 00:50:50,584
at it.

1456
00:50:50,584 --> 00:50:52,586
like the camera doesn't track whether

1457
00:50:52,586 --> 00:50:54,986
it's out of state

1458
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:56,590
or in state. It just tracks

1459
00:50:56,590 --> 00:50:58,592
the violations. I believe there's

1460
00:50:58,592 --> 00:50:59,593
a way within the system we can

1461
00:50:59,593 --> 00:51:00,594
tell how many are florida addresses

1462
00:51:00,594 --> 00:51:01,595
and where the addresses are coming

1463
00:51:01,595 --> 00:51:02,596
from.

1464
00:51:02,596 --> 00:51:04,598
a lot of times when people move to

1465
00:51:04,598 --> 00:51:05,599
florida they don't change

1466
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,601
their addresses so it's still registered

1467
00:51:07,601 --> 00:51:09,601
to an out-of-

1468
00:51:09,603 --> 00:51:10,604
state place. That's something that we can

1469
00:51:10,604 --> 00:51:12,606
look at as well

1470
00:51:12,606 --> 00:51:16,610
how many are local versus how many are

1471
00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:17,611
out of the area.

1472
00:51:17,611 --> 00:51:19,611
>> thank you. Thank

1473
00:51:19,613 --> 00:51:21,613
you so much.

1474
00:51:22,583 --> 00:51:24,983
>> commissioner moore. >> good morning.

1475
00:51:25,586 --> 00:51:26,587
the revenue that has come in,

1476
00:51:26,587 --> 00:51:28,589
$5 million, we can track that right

1477
00:51:28,589 --> 00:51:29,590
back to improvements made in

1478
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:31,592
that area or near there for safety?

1479
00:51:31,592 --> 00:51:33,592
>> yes. >> okay.

1480
00:51:34,595 --> 00:51:35,596
all right. That was my question. Thank

1481
00:51:35,596 --> 00:51:37,596
you.

1482
00:51:37,598 --> 00:51:40,598
>> all right. With that, mr.

1483
00:51:40,601 --> 00:51:42,601
marks,

1484
00:51:43,604 --> 00:51:45,606
the general direction is if you can

1485
00:51:45,606 --> 00:51:46,607
provide the board with information about

1486
00:51:46,607 --> 00:51:48,607
the specific

1487
00:51:49,610 --> 00:51:52,613
locations where the cameras are located

1488
00:51:52,613 --> 00:51:55,582
and we look forward to

1489
00:51:55,582 --> 00:51:58,582
the rfp learning more about

1490
00:51:58,585 --> 00:51:59,586
the incidents and the

1491
00:51:59,586 --> 00:52:01,588
data. Perhaps to include whether they

1492
00:52:01,588 --> 00:52:03,590
are out of state or

1493
00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:04,591
locals, et cetera to the extent you

1494
00:52:04,591 --> 00:52:06,591
can. We

1495
00:52:06,593 --> 00:52:07,594
look forward to that in the next update.

1496
00:52:07,594 --> 00:52:09,594
with that

1497
00:52:09,596 --> 00:52:10,597
I thank you very much for your time.

1498
00:52:10,597 --> 00:52:13,597
we're going to move forward

1499
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,600
on our

1500
00:52:16,603 --> 00:52:19,603
agenda. The next item mr.

1501
00:52:19,606 --> 00:52:21,606
glenn kramer, manager

1502
00:52:21,608 --> 00:52:22,609
of our utilities support dives will

1503
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:25,609
be coming forward to present

1504
00:52:25,612 --> 00:52:28,582
the water and waste water

1505
00:52:28,582 --> 00:52:29,583
rate study and this will apply

1506
00:52:29,583 --> 00:52:33,183
an actionable item. You are recognized.

1507
00:52:33,587 --> 00:52:34,588
>> thank you, mayor. Good morning.

1508
00:52:34,588 --> 00:52:36,588
good morning

1509
00:52:36,590 --> 00:52:37,591
commissioners. Comptroller diamond, mr.

1510
00:52:37,591 --> 00:52:39,591
brooks. I will

1511
00:52:39,593 --> 00:52:45,593
be presenting our water and waste water study for you.

1512
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,600
we'll talk

1513
00:52:49,603 --> 00:52:50,604
about background on our utilities

1514
00:52:50,604 --> 00:52:51,605
finances

1515
00:52:51,605 --> 00:52:52,606
and look at fiscal initiatives we

1516
00:52:52,606 --> 00:52:54,606
have implemented to

1517
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:56,610
address improving the finances, and

1518
00:52:56,610 --> 00:52:58,610
then I'll

1519
00:52:58,612 --> 00:53:01,582
turn the presentation over to andy

1520
00:53:01,582 --> 00:53:02,583
burnham with our rate consultant to

1521
00:53:02,583 --> 00:53:04,583
present

1522
00:53:04,585 --> 00:53:06,587
the results of our water and

1523
00:53:06,587 --> 00:53:07,588
waste water study and the customer

1524
00:53:07,588 --> 00:53:09,588
impacts.

1525
00:53:09,590 --> 00:53:10,591
after that come back and briefly talk

1526
00:53:10,591 --> 00:53:12,591
about a few

1527
00:53:12,593 --> 00:53:13,594
other rate changes we would like to

1528
00:53:13,594 --> 00:53:15,594
make to

1529
00:53:16,597 --> 00:53:18,597
our

1530
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:19,600
wastewater rate schedule while we're

1531
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,600
considering

1532
00:53:22,603 --> 00:53:23,604
and changing it and talk about the

1533
00:53:23,604 --> 00:53:25,604
next

1534
00:53:25,606 --> 00:53:27,606
steps and requested

1535
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:31,900
actions. In our background

1536
00:53:31,612 --> 00:53:33,614
we wanted to go over the current utilities

1537
00:53:33,614 --> 00:53:34,581
finances and basically we are on a

1538
00:53:34,581 --> 00:53:36,581
five-year

1539
00:53:36,583 --> 00:53:37,584
rate plan that was developed back

1540
00:53:37,584 --> 00:53:39,584
in

1541
00:53:40,587 --> 00:53:42,987
2022. This was developed to

1542
00:53:43,590 --> 00:53:45,592
achieve a parody between our residential

1543
00:53:45,592 --> 00:53:46,593
and commercial effective rate. They

1544
00:53:46,593 --> 00:53:48,593
were out of

1545
00:53:49,596 --> 00:53:50,597
balance and a subsidy from the residential

1546
00:53:50,597 --> 00:53:52,597
side to

1547
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:54,601
the commercial side. After implementing

1548
00:53:54,601 --> 00:53:55,602
this rate plan it was designed to

1549
00:53:55,602 --> 00:53:57,602
go

1550
00:53:58,605 --> 00:53:59,606
for five years from fiscal year '24

1551
00:53:59,606 --> 00:54:01,606
through fiscal

1552
00:54:01,608 --> 00:54:02,609
year '28. We're in the third year

1553
00:54:02,609 --> 00:54:03,610
of

1554
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:04,611
this plan. At the time it was projected

1555
00:54:04,611 --> 00:54:06,611
to provide

1556
00:54:07,581 --> 00:54:10,581
sufficient revenue to cover our

1557
00:54:10,584 --> 00:54:12,584
future expenses

1558
00:54:13,587 --> 00:54:15,589
and, in fact, it was designed to be

1559
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:16,590
revenue positive taking more revenue

1560
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:18,590
from

1561
00:54:19,593 --> 00:54:21,595
the commercial side. While looking

1562
00:54:21,595 --> 00:54:22,596
at our rates and that plan and in the current

1563
00:54:22,596 --> 00:54:24,596
plan we'll

1564
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,999
be proposing today, we

1565
00:54:28,602 --> 00:54:31,200
always strive to consider

1566
00:54:31,605 --> 00:54:33,605
our

1567
00:54:34,608 --> 00:54:37,611
customers and our residents that have

1568
00:54:37,611 --> 00:54:40,611
to pay these rates. We're

1569
00:54:41,582 --> 00:54:43,584
proud to keep them low even with

1570
00:54:43,584 --> 00:54:46,587
our proposed rate plans we're not

1571
00:54:46,587 --> 00:54:47,588
proposing to go high compared to our

1572
00:54:47,588 --> 00:54:50,591
neighbors in the area or compared

1573
00:54:50,591 --> 00:54:52,591
to

1574
00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:53,594
counties around the state. That will

1575
00:54:53,594 --> 00:54:54,595
be

1576
00:54:54,595 --> 00:54:56,597
more explained in detail after we talk

1577
00:54:56,597 --> 00:54:58,597
about

1578
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,600
the customer

1579
00:55:02,603 --> 00:55:03,604
impacts. What has happened

1580
00:55:03,604 --> 00:55:06,604
since we established this 2022 rate

1581
00:55:07,608 --> 00:55:08,609
plan which began in fiscal year '24

1582
00:55:08,609 --> 00:55:10,611
is we had some

1583
00:55:10,611 --> 00:55:11,612
unprecedented inflationary pressures on

1584
00:55:11,612 --> 00:55:13,612
the

1585
00:55:13,614 --> 00:55:14,581
system that came as part of the post-pandemic

1586
00:55:14,581 --> 00:55:16,581
economic

1587
00:55:17,584 --> 00:55:19,584
conditions.

1588
00:55:20,587 --> 00:55:22,589
they turned out to be at first

1589
00:55:22,589 --> 00:55:25,592
tried to absorb them but unsustainable.

1590
00:55:25,592 --> 00:55:26,593
demonstrating the rate plan is no

1591
00:55:26,593 --> 00:55:28,593
longer sufficient

1592
00:55:29,596 --> 00:55:31,596
to meet

1593
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:33,600
our financial needs. I had briefings

1594
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,602
with you about a year ago to discuss

1595
00:55:35,602 --> 00:55:36,603
the utility

1596
00:55:36,603 --> 00:55:38,605
finances and some of the things we

1597
00:55:38,605 --> 00:55:40,605
wanted to

1598
00:55:41,608 --> 00:55:42,609
do to addresses the

1599
00:55:42,609 --> 00:55:44,611
new environment we're operating in.

1600
00:55:44,611 --> 00:55:47,581
some of these cost increases I

1601
00:55:47,581 --> 00:55:50,584
have several metrics from the operations

1602
00:55:50,584 --> 00:55:51,585
side and our capital

1603
00:55:51,585 --> 00:55:53,587
improvement side. The table shows

1604
00:55:53,587 --> 00:55:55,589
four metrics or categories

1605
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:58,592
on our operating side that feed directly

1606
00:55:58,592 --> 00:55:59,593
into producing water, treating waste

1607
00:55:59,593 --> 00:56:01,593
water,

1608
00:56:02,596 --> 00:56:03,597
reclaimed water,

1609
00:56:03,597 --> 00:56:05,599
and they are just integral to the

1610
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,599
costs of our system. Those

1611
00:56:08,602 --> 00:56:11,200
are electric, maintenance, chemicals,

1612
00:56:11,605 --> 00:56:13,605
and biosold

1613
00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:14,608
lids disposal. In fiscal year 2020 on the chart

1614
00:56:14,608 --> 00:56:16,608
we have

1615
00:56:16,610 --> 00:56:17,611
our expenditures from that area, from

1616
00:56:17,611 --> 00:56:19,611
that time.

1617
00:56:20,614 --> 00:56:21,582
we also have our actual

1618
00:56:21,582 --> 00:56:23,584
expenditures from fiscal year 2025

1619
00:56:23,584 --> 00:56:25,584
to compare to

1620
00:56:25,586 --> 00:56:26,587
them. So it shows that electricity

1621
00:56:26,587 --> 00:56:28,587
has had

1622
00:56:29,590 --> 00:56:32,593
an annual average growth rate of

1623
00:56:32,593 --> 00:56:34,993
8. 6% across this five-year period.

1624
00:56:35,596 --> 00:56:37,596
maintenance has

1625
00:56:37,598 --> 00:56:41,198
gone up by 9%9% then chemicals and

1626
00:56:41,602 --> 00:56:43,604
biosolids up double-digits as

1627
00:56:43,604 --> 00:56:44,605
an annual average increase. This is

1628
00:56:44,605 --> 00:56:46,605
despite the fact

1629
00:56:46,607 --> 00:56:47,608
that we have competitively bid contracts,

1630
00:56:47,608 --> 00:56:49,608
purchased

1631
00:56:49,610 --> 00:56:52,613
chemicals and disposed of the biosolids.

1632
00:56:52,613 --> 00:56:53,614
with trying to get the best prices

1633
00:56:53,614 --> 00:56:56,140
available these are going

1634
00:56:56,583 --> 00:56:59,583
up dramatically. Our capital improvement

1635
00:56:59,586 --> 00:57:01,588
program is likewise seeing these

1636
00:57:01,588 --> 00:57:04,588
increases. We're installing one of

1637
00:57:04,591 --> 00:57:05,592
the metrics we use to cost and estimate

1638
00:57:05,592 --> 00:57:07,592
the cost of

1639
00:57:08,595 --> 00:57:11,598
it is how many dollars per

1640
00:57:11,598 --> 00:57:12,599
inch diameter per linear foot of the

1641
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:14,599
pipe is

1642
00:57:14,601 --> 00:57:17,604
being installed, and so the cost metric

1643
00:57:17,604 --> 00:57:19,604
in 2020

1644
00:57:20,607 --> 00:57:23,700
were usually ranging from

1645
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:26,610
10 to $20 that would --was being

1646
00:57:26,613 --> 00:57:28,582
determined in that range based on

1647
00:57:28,582 --> 00:57:29,583
the actual condition in the field.

1648
00:57:29,583 --> 00:57:31,583
in

1649
00:57:32,586 --> 00:57:35,589
2025, this cost has gone up close

1650
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:37,589
to $40 per

1651
00:57:38,592 --> 00:57:40,592
inch diameter

1652
00:57:41,595 --> 00:57:43,595
which ranges annual

1653
00:57:44,598 --> 00:57:46,998
average --average increase. We

1654
00:57:47,601 --> 00:57:50,601
had actually been able to

1655
00:57:50,604 --> 00:57:52,604
identify a couple

1656
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:58,610
replacement

1657
00:57:59,613 --> 00:58:02,583
projects --that was cost of it

1658
00:58:02,583 --> 00:58:04,583
$19 per inch diameter

1659
00:58:04,585 --> 00:58:05,586
installed and the one we did in 2025

1660
00:58:05,586 --> 00:58:07,586
was

1661
00:58:08,589 --> 00:58:10,589
$78 per inch

1662
00:58:10,591 --> 00:58:11,592
diameter per foot installed, 32, almost

1663
00:58:11,592 --> 00:58:13,592
33%

1664
00:58:13,594 --> 00:58:17,598
annually for each of those five years.

1665
00:58:17,598 --> 00:58:18,599
we also looked at a couple of pump

1666
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:20,599
stations

1667
00:58:20,601 --> 00:58:23,604
for master pumppump stations, large and

1668
00:58:23,604 --> 00:58:26,607
expensive, back in 2020 we could install

1669
00:58:26,607 --> 00:58:29,700
one for $5. 8 million, for

1670
00:58:29,610 --> 00:58:32,613
2025, we are looking at a cost

1671
00:58:32,613 --> 00:58:33,614
the $13.3 million. Likewise with our

1672
00:58:33,614 --> 00:58:35,582
duplex

1673
00:58:35,582 --> 00:58:38,585
stations these are smaller, able to

1674
00:58:38,585 --> 00:58:40,985
identify a couple rehab

1675
00:58:41,588 --> 00:58:43,588
projects in

1676
00:58:44,591 --> 00:58:46,591
2025, pump

1677
00:58:47,594 --> 00:58:49,596
station costs --and to

1678
00:58:49,596 --> 00:58:50,597
further illustrate the point we have

1679
00:58:50,597 --> 00:58:52,597
two

1680
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,600
data points in this area

1681
00:58:56,603 --> 00:58:57,604
for building a new waste water facility

1682
00:58:57,604 --> 00:58:59,604
back in

1683
00:58:59,606 --> 00:59:01,606
2026, we built

1684
00:59:02,609 --> 00:59:03,610
the reclamation facility that was a five facility and

1685
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:05,610
cost

1686
00:59:05,612 --> 00:59:06,613
$111 million to build at that time.

1687
00:59:06,613 --> 00:59:08,582
we're now

1688
00:59:08,582 --> 00:59:11,585
planning to expand on that into

1689
00:59:11,585 --> 00:59:15,185
double the size of it to

1690
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:17,589
10 mgd

1691
00:59:18,592 --> 00:59:20,594
where the first five cost

1692
00:59:20,594 --> 00:59:21,595
$111 million, second five years later

1693
00:59:21,595 --> 00:59:23,595
is going to

1694
00:59:24,598 --> 00:59:26,598
cost

1695
00:59:27,601 --> 00:59:29,601
$184 million.

1696
00:59:30,604 --> 00:59:32,606
our current rate structure.

1697
00:59:32,606 --> 00:59:34,608
this is an output of one of our financial

1698
00:59:34,608 --> 00:59:36,610
models and demonstrates this point

1699
00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:37,611
and goes back to fiscal year

1700
00:59:37,611 --> 00:59:39,613
2011 up through the current fiscal

1701
00:59:39,613 --> 00:59:40,614
year and

1702
00:59:40,614 --> 00:59:45,414
then projects our results for fiscal year '26.

1703
00:59:45,586 --> 00:59:48,589
the blue line is the operating revenue that

1704
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:50,591
is generated from operating our

1705
00:59:50,591 --> 00:59:51,592
water and waste quarter system, the red line

1706
00:59:51,592 --> 00:59:53,592
represents

1707
00:59:54,595 --> 00:59:55,596
the expenses incurred to operate

1708
00:59:55,596 --> 00:59:57,598
that system. As you can see they've

1709
00:59:57,598 --> 00:59:58,599
gone up

1710
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:00,601
over time and had increase in customers

1711
01:00:00,601 --> 01:00:02,601
over time and

1712
01:00:03,604 --> 01:00:06,604
with rate increases and customer

1713
01:00:06,607 --> 01:00:08,609
increases expected to go up

1714
01:00:08,609 --> 01:00:11,612
however the increase in waste water --

1715
01:00:11,612 --> 01:00:14,581
excuse me in the expenses has been

1716
01:00:14,581 --> 01:00:15,582
particularly higher especially in

1717
01:00:15,582 --> 01:00:17,582
years

1718
01:00:18,585 --> 01:00:20,585
after covid. It's

1719
01:00:21,588 --> 01:00:23,590
very noticeably going up from

1720
01:00:23,590 --> 01:00:24,591
2022 to 2023 to years not captured

1721
01:00:24,591 --> 01:00:26,591
in our

1722
01:00:27,594 --> 01:00:30,594
rate study. So the --

1723
01:00:30,597 --> 01:00:32,599
that operating revenue is represented on

1724
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:33,600
the green line and that is just the

1725
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,601
operating

1726
01:00:34,601 --> 01:00:38,201
revenue subtracting out the operating expenses.

1727
01:00:39,606 --> 01:00:41,606
net operating

1728
01:00:41,608 --> 01:00:42,609
revenue basically is what is left

1729
01:00:42,609 --> 01:00:44,609
over after we

1730
01:00:44,611 --> 01:00:45,612
paid the bills to operate the system.

1731
01:00:45,612 --> 01:00:47,612
and

1732
01:00:47,614 --> 01:00:48,582
that revenue is generally applied

1733
01:00:48,582 --> 01:00:50,582
in three

1734
01:00:50,584 --> 01:00:51,585
areas. First and foremost it goes

1735
01:00:51,585 --> 01:00:53,587
to paying debt service.

1736
01:00:53,587 --> 01:00:54,588
second used for nets operating revenue

1737
01:00:54,588 --> 01:00:55,589
is to

1738
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:57,591
pay for the annual transfer to the

1739
01:00:57,591 --> 01:00:59,591
general

1740
01:01:00,594 --> 01:01:02,596
fund based on a payment of

1741
01:01:02,596 --> 01:01:03,597
taxes calculations. Then the third

1742
01:01:03,597 --> 01:01:05,597
use would

1743
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,602
be to help fund our capital improvement

1744
01:01:08,602 --> 01:01:09,603
program. So that purple line represents

1745
01:01:09,603 --> 01:01:11,603
our net operating

1746
01:01:12,606 --> 01:01:15,609
revenue that is available for capital

1747
01:01:15,609 --> 01:01:17,609
improvements. Back in

1748
01:01:18,612 --> 01:01:19,613
2011 to 2015 the line was $40 million or

1749
01:01:19,613 --> 01:01:21,582
so

1750
01:01:21,582 --> 01:01:24,585
and back then that was a substantial

1751
01:01:24,585 --> 01:01:25,586
contribution to our improvements because

1752
01:01:25,586 --> 01:01:26,587
we

1753
01:01:26,587 --> 01:01:30,591
only spent about $80 million at that time.

1754
01:01:30,591 --> 01:01:32,591
since then

1755
01:01:33,594 --> 01:01:34,595
it's gone down and our capital improvements

1756
01:01:34,595 --> 01:01:35,596
as

1757
01:01:35,596 --> 01:01:36,597
a program has gone up as far as how much

1758
01:01:36,597 --> 01:01:39,597
we're having to spend on

1759
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,602
it. We're implementing more and

1760
01:01:41,602 --> 01:01:42,603
larger projects, there are several

1761
01:01:42,603 --> 01:01:44,603
large

1762
01:01:44,605 --> 01:01:45,606
projects that began at the beginning

1763
01:01:45,606 --> 01:01:47,606
or

1764
01:01:47,608 --> 01:01:48,609
were supposed to begin sometime during

1765
01:01:48,609 --> 01:01:49,610
earlier in the

1766
01:01:49,610 --> 01:01:51,612
pandemic that had to be delayed until

1767
01:01:51,612 --> 01:01:53,614
now and we are

1768
01:01:53,614 --> 01:01:54,581
simultaneously executing those and

1769
01:01:54,581 --> 01:01:56,581
delivering on

1770
01:01:56,583 --> 01:01:57,584
these projects while delivering on

1771
01:01:57,584 --> 01:01:59,584
the projects that

1772
01:01:59,586 --> 01:02:00,587
needed to be started about now. As a

1773
01:02:00,587 --> 01:02:02,587
result,

1774
01:02:03,590 --> 01:02:05,590
in 2025, our

1775
01:02:05,592 --> 01:02:06,593
overall expenditures for the capital

1776
01:02:06,593 --> 01:02:08,593
improvement

1777
01:02:09,596 --> 01:02:12,596
program were $180 million. In fact,

1778
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:15,599
we're expecting 2026 to surpass that

1779
01:02:15,602 --> 01:02:18,200
and be over $200 million.

1780
01:02:18,605 --> 01:02:21,608
so when we talk about having

1781
01:02:21,608 --> 01:02:22,609
an extra 25 to $30 million of

1782
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:24,611
net operate revenue available to help

1783
01:02:24,611 --> 01:02:26,611
with the

1784
01:02:26,613 --> 01:02:27,614
cip funding, that not near as significant

1785
01:02:27,614 --> 01:02:29,614
now as

1786
01:02:30,584 --> 01:02:32,586
it used to be. This

1787
01:02:32,586 --> 01:02:33,587
is why we're getting into what we

1788
01:02:33,587 --> 01:02:35,587
have begun

1789
01:02:36,590 --> 01:02:37,591
calling a debt cycle to where

1790
01:02:37,591 --> 01:02:39,593
we don't have the net operating revenue

1791
01:02:39,593 --> 01:02:42,596
to pay for a cip, and

1792
01:02:42,596 --> 01:02:45,596
then have to borrow more

1793
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:46,600
money to find the cip for all the

1794
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:47,601
necessary projects

1795
01:02:47,601 --> 01:02:48,602
that raises our debt service and means we

1796
01:02:48,602 --> 01:02:51,200
have more debt service

1797
01:02:51,605 --> 01:02:53,607
to pay out of our net

1798
01:02:53,607 --> 01:02:54,608
operating revenue which leaves less

1799
01:02:54,608 --> 01:02:56,608
money for the

1800
01:02:57,611 --> 01:02:58,612
next round of expenditures. It goes

1801
01:02:58,612 --> 01:02:59,613
in this cycle

1802
01:02:59,613 --> 01:03:03,584
and we are trying to break that cycle

1803
01:03:03,584 --> 01:03:05,584
and get out

1804
01:03:06,587 --> 01:03:08,587
of it.

1805
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:12,590
that brings me to our

1806
01:03:15,596 --> 01:03:18,599
fiscal initiatives. We wanted to get

1807
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:20,601
out of this debt cycle where we

1808
01:03:20,601 --> 01:03:21,602
are borrowing increasing amounts of

1809
01:03:21,602 --> 01:03:23,602
money. We're approaching

1810
01:03:24,605 --> 01:03:26,605
it several

1811
01:03:26,607 --> 01:03:27,608
ways. Some were from the revenue side.

1812
01:03:27,608 --> 01:03:29,608
before I get

1813
01:03:30,611 --> 01:03:31,612
into the slide on the expense side

1814
01:03:31,612 --> 01:03:33,612
one thing that

1815
01:03:33,614 --> 01:03:37,584
I wanted to mention is that our

1816
01:03:37,584 --> 01:03:39,586
budget process is helpful in

1817
01:03:39,586 --> 01:03:40,587
obtaining our costs. It wasn't listed

1818
01:03:40,587 --> 01:03:41,588
as

1819
01:03:41,588 --> 01:03:43,590
a fiscal initiative we came up with

1820
01:03:43,590 --> 01:03:44,591
new to address this

1821
01:03:44,591 --> 01:03:46,593
problem because we've had this budget

1822
01:03:46,593 --> 01:03:48,593
process in place

1823
01:03:49,596 --> 01:03:50,597
for many years. Basically

1824
01:03:50,597 --> 01:03:52,599
every division in the utility is expected

1825
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:54,599
to start at

1826
01:03:55,602 --> 01:03:57,604
a 0% increase with our budget.

1827
01:03:57,604 --> 01:03:59,606
sometimes we --we are in costs that are

1828
01:03:59,606 --> 01:04:01,608
nondiscretionary and they have to

1829
01:04:01,608 --> 01:04:03,608
go up

1830
01:04:04,611 --> 01:04:06,611
and we can't

1831
01:04:07,614 --> 01:04:09,614
control

1832
01:04:10,584 --> 01:04:11,585
that. And prioritizing what

1833
01:04:11,585 --> 01:04:13,587
needs to be spent. Sometimes that

1834
01:04:13,587 --> 01:04:15,587
works. Other times

1835
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:17,591
we

1836
01:04:17,591 --> 01:04:19,593
just have to raise the budget some.

1837
01:04:19,593 --> 01:04:21,593
when it

1838
01:04:22,596 --> 01:04:23,597
comes to expanding on

1839
01:04:23,597 --> 01:04:25,599
a program or when we have to do things

1840
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:27,599
that

1841
01:04:27,601 --> 01:04:28,602
don't happen every year like purchasing

1842
01:04:28,602 --> 01:04:31,200
equipment through a capital

1843
01:04:31,605 --> 01:04:32,606
outlay section of the budget

1844
01:04:32,606 --> 01:04:34,608
or making major repairs on some of

1845
01:04:34,608 --> 01:04:36,608
our

1846
01:04:37,611 --> 01:04:39,613
infrastructure, these things get

1847
01:04:39,613 --> 01:04:40,614
reviewed individually and sometimes

1848
01:04:40,614 --> 01:04:42,583
they're approved if super important

1849
01:04:42,583 --> 01:04:43,584
and they have to be done, other times

1850
01:04:43,584 --> 01:04:44,585
they're

1851
01:04:44,585 --> 01:04:46,587
delayed, sometimes downside and other

1852
01:04:46,587 --> 01:04:48,987
times the answer is

1853
01:04:49,590 --> 01:04:51,592
just no. We aren't going to

1854
01:04:51,592 --> 01:04:52,593
do that at this time. This budget

1855
01:04:52,593 --> 01:04:54,593
process before

1856
01:04:55,596 --> 01:04:57,598
it comes to the board for review

1857
01:04:57,598 --> 01:04:58,599
and budget work sections we're working on

1858
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:00,599
cost

1859
01:05:01,602 --> 01:05:03,602
constainment. Back to

1860
01:05:04,605 --> 01:05:07,605
the fiscal initiatives last year,

1861
01:05:07,608 --> 01:05:09,610
we find our cfp approval process.

1862
01:05:09,610 --> 01:05:10,611
in prior years our engineers would

1863
01:05:10,611 --> 01:05:11,612
analyze the

1864
01:05:11,612 --> 01:05:13,614
projects that need to be done and

1865
01:05:13,614 --> 01:05:15,614
analyze the system,

1866
01:05:16,583 --> 01:05:17,584
what refurbishments and rehabilitations

1867
01:05:17,584 --> 01:05:18,585
to

1868
01:05:18,585 --> 01:05:19,586
infrastructure needs to be made and

1869
01:05:19,586 --> 01:05:21,588
also look at what projects

1870
01:05:21,588 --> 01:05:22,589
need to be in place to meet growing

1871
01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:24,589
areas of the

1872
01:05:24,591 --> 01:05:25,592
county and make sure that we are able

1873
01:05:25,592 --> 01:05:26,593
to

1874
01:05:26,593 --> 01:05:28,595
serve those areas as the growth happens.

1875
01:05:28,595 --> 01:05:30,995
they would come up

1876
01:05:31,598 --> 01:05:33,600
with a list of projects,work

1877
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:34,601
with consultants on estimating how

1878
01:05:34,601 --> 01:05:36,601
much

1879
01:05:37,604 --> 01:05:39,606
those projects would cost and

1880
01:05:39,606 --> 01:05:40,607
put all of these vetted and legitimate

1881
01:05:40,607 --> 01:05:42,607
projects into

1882
01:05:42,609 --> 01:05:43,610
our budget. Since that time, that's

1883
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:44,611
what we

1884
01:05:44,611 --> 01:05:46,613
used to do. In recent years we've

1885
01:05:46,613 --> 01:05:49,130
been refining this process

1886
01:05:49,583 --> 01:05:51,585
going through a second level

1887
01:05:51,585 --> 01:05:52,586
prioritization. We realize now we

1888
01:05:52,586 --> 01:05:54,586
can't afford every

1889
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:57,589
project

1890
01:05:57,591 --> 01:05:59,593
that needs to be done. We have had

1891
01:05:59,593 --> 01:06:01,595
the second level of prioritization

1892
01:06:01,595 --> 01:06:03,595
review added to

1893
01:06:03,597 --> 01:06:04,598
the process so we're pushing out projects

1894
01:06:04,598 --> 01:06:06,598
and

1895
01:06:07,601 --> 01:06:08,602
delaying projects and sometimes just

1896
01:06:08,602 --> 01:06:09,603
saying that's a good project to do, but

1897
01:06:09,603 --> 01:06:10,604
we don't have the funding so it's

1898
01:06:10,604 --> 01:06:12,604
on hold indefinitely.

1899
01:06:15,609 --> 01:06:16,610
the other thing we did to work on

1900
01:06:16,610 --> 01:06:18,610
our costs we

1901
01:06:19,613 --> 01:06:20,614
arranged with the comp

1902
01:06:20,614 --> 01:06:21,582
trollers office to supplement our

1903
01:06:21,582 --> 01:06:22,583
debt service payment with capital

1904
01:06:22,583 --> 01:06:24,583
charge

1905
01:06:24,585 --> 01:06:25,586
revenue. Now as you probably recall

1906
01:06:25,586 --> 01:06:27,586
chapt charges

1907
01:06:28,589 --> 01:06:29,590
can only be spent on expansion projects

1908
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:31,590
but

1909
01:06:31,592 --> 01:06:34,592
if those projects are debt

1910
01:06:34,595 --> 01:06:36,597
funded, then they --

1911
01:06:36,597 --> 01:06:37,598
debt service portion that goes to

1912
01:06:37,598 --> 01:06:39,598
the

1913
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:40,601
expansion projects can then be paid

1914
01:06:40,601 --> 01:06:42,601
through

1915
01:06:42,603 --> 01:06:43,604
capital charge revenue. Making this

1916
01:06:43,604 --> 01:06:45,604
change was

1917
01:06:45,606 --> 01:06:46,607
helpful it saved our reserve revenue to

1918
01:06:46,607 --> 01:06:48,607
be used

1919
01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:51,612
for other needs, delayed our bonds

1920
01:06:51,612 --> 01:06:52,613
issue by several months and it created

1921
01:06:52,613 --> 01:06:54,613
a savings of

1922
01:06:54,615 --> 01:06:55,582
not having to pay that extra interest

1923
01:06:55,582 --> 01:06:57,582
on

1924
01:06:57,584 --> 01:06:58,585
bonds by delaying their issue. The

1925
01:06:58,585 --> 01:07:00,585
third thing

1926
01:07:00,587 --> 01:07:04,591
that we did was limited credit card

1927
01:07:04,591 --> 01:07:06,591
payments to $2500. We

1928
01:07:06,593 --> 01:07:07,594
have several large customers that

1929
01:07:07,594 --> 01:07:10,597
have utility bills in the tens

1930
01:07:10,597 --> 01:07:12,597
of thousands of

1931
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,000
dollars each month. They

1932
01:07:16,603 --> 01:07:17,604
are in the habit of using corporate credit cards

1933
01:07:17,604 --> 01:07:18,605
to

1934
01:07:18,605 --> 01:07:19,606
pay for these utility bills. They

1935
01:07:19,606 --> 01:07:22,600
get the benefits and

1936
01:07:22,609 --> 01:07:23,610
perks and points and cash back dollars

1937
01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:25,610
that come

1938
01:07:25,612 --> 01:07:27,614
with those cards they use and that

1939
01:07:27,614 --> 01:07:28,582
benefit gets paid for through bank

1940
01:07:28,582 --> 01:07:30,582
charges that

1941
01:07:31,585 --> 01:07:34,585
come to the utility to

1942
01:07:34,588 --> 01:07:35,589
pay. We were able to limit how much

1943
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:37,589
we would

1944
01:07:37,591 --> 01:07:39,591
allow them to

1945
01:07:40,594 --> 01:07:43,594
pay on credit card to

1946
01:07:43,597 --> 01:07:45,597
$2500

1947
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,603
so it doesn't affect our residential

1948
01:07:49,603 --> 01:07:52,300
or commercial customers. It's

1949
01:07:52,606 --> 01:07:55,606
an annual savings of over $6,000.

1950
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:58,612
we did a few things to

1951
01:07:58,612 --> 01:08:01,582
work on the revenue side. Last year we came to

1952
01:08:01,582 --> 01:08:04,582
the board --early this year

1953
01:08:04,585 --> 01:08:05,586
in january came to the board with

1954
01:08:05,586 --> 01:08:07,586
meter charges that

1955
01:08:07,588 --> 01:08:09,590
became effective on february 1st.

1956
01:08:09,590 --> 01:08:11,592
we adjusted the charges to recover

1957
01:08:11,592 --> 01:08:13,594
the current cost that we have

1958
01:08:13,594 --> 01:08:14,595
of purchasing a meter and the cost

1959
01:08:14,595 --> 01:08:15,596
of the

1960
01:08:15,596 --> 01:08:17,598
labor and other materials to install

1961
01:08:17,598 --> 01:08:18,599
the meter. This

1962
01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:21,602
is going to be providing an estimated

1963
01:08:21,602 --> 01:08:23,604
$900,000 annually now that we're fully

1964
01:08:23,604 --> 01:08:25,606
covering the cost of

1965
01:08:25,606 --> 01:08:26,607
our meter installations. We came to

1966
01:08:26,607 --> 01:08:28,607
the

1967
01:08:28,609 --> 01:08:29,610
board in february with updated reclaimed

1968
01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:31,610
water

1969
01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:35,212
rates. These were effective on october

1970
01:08:35,582 --> 01:08:36,583
1st of this year. We

1971
01:08:36,583 --> 01:08:38,585
established conservation tiers for

1972
01:08:38,585 --> 01:08:40,985
rates for the first

1973
01:08:41,588 --> 01:08:43,590
time on our reclaimed water

1974
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:44,591
side but for the purposes of this

1975
01:08:44,591 --> 01:08:46,991
presentation, the important thing

1976
01:08:47,594 --> 01:08:49,596
that we did was that we based

1977
01:08:49,596 --> 01:08:50,597
the rates on full cost recovery. Up

1978
01:08:50,597 --> 01:08:52,597
to that

1979
01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:53,600
point reclaimed water was recovering

1980
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,600
about 72 to

1981
01:08:56,603 --> 01:08:59,606
73% of the rates or excuse me of

1982
01:08:59,606 --> 01:09:01,608
their expenses of producing and

1983
01:09:01,608 --> 01:09:02,609
distributing the reclaimed water,

1984
01:09:02,609 --> 01:09:04,609
so we wanted

1985
01:09:05,612 --> 01:09:07,614
our rates to cover that full cost so

1986
01:09:07,614 --> 01:09:10,584
it wouldn't be subsidized by waste

1987
01:09:10,584 --> 01:09:11,585
water rates achieved with our new

1988
01:09:11,585 --> 01:09:12,586
rates

1989
01:09:12,586 --> 01:09:14,588
and projected increase in revenues

1990
01:09:14,588 --> 01:09:16,588
is $5.

1991
01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:19,590
3 million annually. Last thing we

1992
01:09:19,593 --> 01:09:20,594
did on the revenue side was to update

1993
01:09:20,594 --> 01:09:22,594
our

1994
01:09:22,596 --> 01:09:23,597
capital charges directed by the board

1995
01:09:23,597 --> 01:09:25,997
to update them every

1996
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,601
four to five years to make

1997
01:09:27,601 --> 01:09:29,603
sure they are capturing our current

1998
01:09:29,603 --> 01:09:32,606
and future costs in the five-year

1999
01:09:32,606 --> 01:09:33,607
cip and wanted to make sure that

2000
01:09:33,607 --> 01:09:35,609
we're capturing all the cost increases

2001
01:09:35,609 --> 01:09:37,611
in the new projects so

2002
01:09:37,611 --> 01:09:38,612
that we can try to make sure growth

2003
01:09:38,612 --> 01:09:40,612
is paying its

2004
01:09:41,582 --> 01:09:42,583
own way. The capital

2005
01:09:42,583 --> 01:09:44,585
charge revenues could increase as

2006
01:09:44,585 --> 01:09:46,585
much

2007
01:09:47,588 --> 01:09:49,588
as 17 to $18

2008
01:09:50,591 --> 01:09:52,591
million if the

2009
01:09:53,594 --> 01:09:55,596
development activity fiscal year

2010
01:09:55,596 --> 01:09:56,597
2025 continues into fiscal year 2026

2011
01:09:56,597 --> 01:09:58,997
and they became effective

2012
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,603
on april 1st of the year. Last thing

2013
01:10:02,603 --> 01:10:04,605
I wanted to mention is that we

2014
01:10:04,605 --> 01:10:08,205
issued bonds $450 million that was done

2015
01:10:08,609 --> 01:10:09,610
in may of this year and that

2016
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:11,612
is an additional $150 million that is

2017
01:10:11,612 --> 01:10:14,612
available for cip funding now.

2018
01:10:17,584 --> 01:10:20,584
this chart has been updated

2019
01:10:20,587 --> 01:10:22,589
to show what effects

2020
01:10:22,589 --> 01:10:23,590
of these cost saving initiatives and

2021
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:25,590
revenue

2022
01:10:25,592 --> 01:10:26,593
initiatives will be on our finances.

2023
01:10:26,593 --> 01:10:28,593
we

2024
01:10:29,596 --> 01:10:32,596
restate the timeline at the

2025
01:10:32,599 --> 01:10:35,599
bottom to cover fiscal years 2016

2026
01:10:35,602 --> 01:10:37,604
through 2031. The green line

2027
01:10:37,604 --> 01:10:38,605
represents our net operate revenue

2028
01:10:38,605 --> 01:10:39,606
and with the

2029
01:10:39,606 --> 01:10:41,608
revenue initiatives that we've already

2030
01:10:41,608 --> 01:10:44,608
put in place it goes

2031
01:10:44,611 --> 01:10:47,614
up more, which is a good thing.

2032
01:10:47,614 --> 01:10:49,583
we need

2033
01:10:49,583 --> 01:10:50,584
the additional revenue. But the interesting

2034
01:10:50,584 --> 01:10:52,584
part the

2035
01:10:53,587 --> 01:10:55,589
revenue for the cip doesn't go up

2036
01:10:55,589 --> 01:10:56,590
along with the debt operating revenue

2037
01:10:56,590 --> 01:10:58,590
it continues

2038
01:10:59,593 --> 01:11:01,593
to go down

2039
01:11:02,596 --> 01:11:05,596
from fiscal years '27, '28,

2040
01:11:05,599 --> 01:11:07,601
'29, '30 because still issue

2041
01:11:07,601 --> 01:11:08,602
more debt. We haven't produced enough

2042
01:11:08,602 --> 01:11:10,602
net operating revenue

2043
01:11:11,605 --> 01:11:13,605
to make a

2044
01:11:14,608 --> 01:11:16,610
significant impact on, so

2045
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:17,611
more debt service represented by the

2046
01:11:17,611 --> 01:11:18,612
purple line continues to

2047
01:11:18,612 --> 01:11:20,614
go up dramatically and because that

2048
01:11:20,614 --> 01:11:22,583
continues to go

2049
01:11:22,583 --> 01:11:23,584
up we don't have any additional revenue to

2050
01:11:23,584 --> 01:11:25,984
contribute to the cip.

2051
01:11:35,596 --> 01:11:37,596
sorry. Forgot one

2052
01:11:37,598 --> 01:11:38,599
thing I wanted to mention on this

2053
01:11:38,599 --> 01:11:40,599
current plan

2054
01:11:41,602 --> 01:11:42,603
because we are issuing a lot of debt we

2055
01:11:42,603 --> 01:11:44,603
are

2056
01:11:44,605 --> 01:11:45,606
falling below our target minimum metric

2057
01:11:45,606 --> 01:11:47,606
for

2058
01:11:47,608 --> 01:11:48,609
debt service coverage. The target

2059
01:11:48,609 --> 01:11:50,609
is

2060
01:11:50,611 --> 01:11:51,612
two times to have make sure that the net

2061
01:11:51,612 --> 01:11:53,612
operating revenue we

2062
01:11:53,614 --> 01:11:54,615
produce is twice the amount of our

2063
01:11:54,615 --> 01:11:56,583
debt

2064
01:11:56,583 --> 01:11:57,584
service. On this plan it falls below

2065
01:11:57,584 --> 01:11:58,585
that which

2066
01:11:58,585 --> 01:11:59,586
would make issuing debt more expensive

2067
01:11:59,586 --> 01:12:01,586
and the

2068
01:12:01,588 --> 01:12:02,589
market might not support it because it

2069
01:12:02,589 --> 01:12:04,989
would mean that our

2070
01:12:05,592 --> 01:12:08,592
utility is getting less and

2071
01:12:08,595 --> 01:12:10,595
less

2072
01:12:11,598 --> 01:12:13,598
financially

2073
01:12:14,601 --> 01:12:16,601
sound. A

2074
01:12:17,604 --> 01:12:20,607
few examples of projects that are

2075
01:12:20,607 --> 01:12:23,700
currently delayed or not

2076
01:12:23,610 --> 01:12:25,612
fully budgeted in our five-year

2077
01:12:25,612 --> 01:12:26,613
cip because of the cost constraints.

2078
01:12:26,613 --> 01:12:28,613
the first one

2079
01:12:29,583 --> 01:12:31,983
the hamlin water reclamation

2080
01:12:32,586 --> 01:12:35,589
and master pump station. That prompt

2081
01:12:35,589 --> 01:12:37,591
is the one I referred to costing

2082
01:12:37,591 --> 01:12:38,592
$184 million. It's currently should

2083
01:12:38,592 --> 01:12:40,592
have started

2084
01:12:41,595 --> 01:12:44,598
now and should be in our

2085
01:12:44,598 --> 01:12:45,599
five-year budget, but we can't afford

2086
01:12:45,599 --> 01:12:47,599
the

2087
01:12:47,601 --> 01:12:49,601
$97. 4 million that

2088
01:12:49,603 --> 01:12:50,604
would incur in this first five years

2089
01:12:50,604 --> 01:12:56,400
in our five-year cip and that's been pushed out.

2090
01:12:57,611 --> 01:12:59,611
our southern

2091
01:12:59,613 --> 01:13:01,615
water reclamation facility phase 6

2092
01:13:01,615 --> 01:13:03,584
a, another project we should be starting

2093
01:13:03,584 --> 01:13:05,586
soon and we can't afford

2094
01:13:05,586 --> 01:13:08,589
it so that $72 million has to be pushed

2095
01:13:08,589 --> 01:13:09,590
out into the future. Same situation

2096
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:11,590
with the

2097
01:13:11,592 --> 01:13:14,592
eastern regional water supply facility

2098
01:13:14,595 --> 01:13:15,596
lab improvements, needed for many

2099
01:13:15,596 --> 01:13:17,596
year, but we

2100
01:13:17,598 --> 01:13:18,599
need to push that out. We also have

2101
01:13:18,599 --> 01:13:20,599
several new

2102
01:13:20,601 --> 01:13:21,602
projects that have come up that we

2103
01:13:21,602 --> 01:13:24,200
can't add to the

2104
01:13:24,605 --> 01:13:25,606
five-year cip at this

2105
01:13:25,606 --> 01:13:27,608
time, improvements to our water supply

2106
01:13:27,608 --> 01:13:29,608
facility, $23 million is

2107
01:13:30,611 --> 01:13:33,611
unaffordable so we pushed it

2108
01:13:33,614 --> 01:13:35,582
out, we like to start planning

2109
01:13:35,582 --> 01:13:36,583
for future pump station renewal and

2110
01:13:36,583 --> 01:13:37,584
replacement

2111
01:13:37,584 --> 01:13:43,584
projects and can't afford that so we're pushing it out.

2112
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:45,592
improvements to ground storage tanks

2113
01:13:45,592 --> 01:13:47,992
and facilities we need

2114
01:13:48,595 --> 01:13:51,598
to push out as well as the new

2115
01:13:51,598 --> 01:13:53,600
structure at our southern water reclamation

2116
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,601
facility. So this gets us to the water

2117
01:13:54,601 --> 01:13:56,601
and

2118
01:13:56,603 --> 01:13:57,604
wastewater rate study and turn this

2119
01:13:57,604 --> 01:13:58,605
over

2120
01:13:58,605 --> 01:14:03,405
to andy to walk you through the study.

2121
01:14:06,613 --> 01:14:08,582
. For the record,

2122
01:14:08,582 --> 01:14:09,583
andy burnham. I've had the opportunity

2123
01:14:09,583 --> 01:14:11,583
to support the

2124
01:14:11,585 --> 01:14:12,586
utilities on occasion over the past

2125
01:14:12,586 --> 01:14:14,586
20 years now

2126
01:14:15,589 --> 01:14:17,591
in financial planning and rate

2127
01:14:17,591 --> 01:14:21,191
related endeavors. I would like to

2128
01:14:21,595 --> 01:14:22,596
go through the

2129
01:14:22,596 --> 01:14:24,598
fundamentals we conducted with orange county staff,

2130
01:14:24,598 --> 01:14:26,600
and put context to it

2131
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:27,601
in terms of understanding how that

2132
01:14:27,601 --> 01:14:29,601
translates to customer

2133
01:14:29,603 --> 01:14:30,604
impacts but also give you information

2134
01:14:30,604 --> 01:14:32,604
about other

2135
01:14:32,606 --> 01:14:33,607
utility rates to compare that again

2136
01:14:33,607 --> 01:14:35,607
their

2137
01:14:35,609 --> 01:14:36,610
increases and how your cost of service

2138
01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:38,610
compare to

2139
01:14:38,612 --> 01:14:39,613
theirs for residential and commercial

2140
01:14:39,613 --> 01:14:41,613
customers.

2141
01:14:41,615 --> 01:14:42,583
when we embark on rate studies for

2142
01:14:42,583 --> 01:14:44,583
communities throughout

2143
01:14:44,585 --> 01:14:45,586
florida and the country we start with understanding our

2144
01:14:45,586 --> 01:14:47,586
goals

2145
01:14:48,589 --> 01:14:50,591
and objectives. It's pretty

2146
01:14:50,591 --> 01:14:51,592
simple, build upon the financial foundation

2147
01:14:51,592 --> 01:14:53,592
the utilities have

2148
01:14:54,595 --> 01:14:55,596
and recognize our

2149
01:14:55,596 --> 01:14:57,598
paradigm costs to make sure we're

2150
01:14:57,598 --> 01:14:59,598
operating sufficiently, revenues

2151
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:00,601
covering expenses to maintain a high

2152
01:15:00,601 --> 01:15:01,602
level of service

2153
01:15:01,602 --> 01:15:03,604
at the lowest possible prices that we

2154
01:15:03,604 --> 01:15:05,604
can for

2155
01:15:05,606 --> 01:15:06,607
that high level of service and we're

2156
01:15:06,607 --> 01:15:08,607
doing

2157
01:15:08,609 --> 01:15:09,610
so equitably and building on the plan that

2158
01:15:09,610 --> 01:15:10,611
glen

2159
01:15:10,611 --> 01:15:12,613
mentioned previously that sought to

2160
01:15:12,613 --> 01:15:15,130
establish equity between the

2161
01:15:15,582 --> 01:15:18,582
effective rates per thousand gallons

2162
01:15:18,585 --> 01:15:21,585
for residential and commercial customers.

2163
01:15:21,588 --> 01:15:22,589
we evaluated existing data of the

2164
01:15:22,589 --> 01:15:24,589
system,

2165
01:15:24,591 --> 01:15:26,591
current fund

2166
01:15:26,593 --> 01:15:27,594
balances, revenues and expenses and

2167
01:15:27,594 --> 01:15:29,594
key assumptions

2168
01:15:29,596 --> 01:15:30,597
that would drive rates and revenues

2169
01:15:30,597 --> 01:15:32,599
needed over the next

2170
01:15:32,599 --> 01:15:33,600
few years and key assumptions that

2171
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,600
affected that.

2172
01:15:35,602 --> 01:15:36,603
those being the capital spending that

2173
01:15:36,603 --> 01:15:38,605
was included and the

2174
01:15:38,605 --> 01:15:39,606
timing of that spending. We've spent

2175
01:15:39,606 --> 01:15:41,606
a lot

2176
01:15:41,608 --> 01:15:42,609
of time looking at historical trends

2177
01:15:42,609 --> 01:15:44,611
and how you execute

2178
01:15:44,611 --> 01:15:45,612
your capital plans to factor in the

2179
01:15:45,612 --> 01:15:47,612
cash

2180
01:15:48,582 --> 01:15:49,583
flows of those capital needs adequately in

2181
01:15:49,583 --> 01:15:51,583
the study

2182
01:15:51,585 --> 01:15:53,985
and reviewing the historical

2183
01:15:54,588 --> 01:15:56,590
information on trends and operating expenses

2184
01:15:56,590 --> 01:15:57,591
to make sure we're comfortable with near

2185
01:15:57,591 --> 01:15:58,592
term and longer

2186
01:15:58,592 --> 01:16:00,594
term projections of those amounts.

2187
01:16:00,594 --> 01:16:02,596
and we also identified

2188
01:16:02,596 --> 01:16:03,597
and established the financial pillars

2189
01:16:03,597 --> 01:16:05,597
as glen mentioned

2190
01:16:05,599 --> 01:16:06,600
from a debt perspective making sure we

2191
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,600
have

2192
01:16:09,603 --> 01:16:10,604
adequate ratios of our net revenue

2193
01:16:10,604 --> 01:16:12,604
to

2194
01:16:12,606 --> 01:16:14,606
our principle and

2195
01:16:14,608 --> 01:16:15,609
interest payments are important as

2196
01:16:15,609 --> 01:16:17,611
how we leverage debt and what

2197
01:16:17,611 --> 01:16:18,612
are the terms of that debt. The higher

2198
01:16:18,612 --> 01:16:20,612
those

2199
01:16:20,614 --> 01:16:22,583
ratios the less debt we issue and the

2200
01:16:22,583 --> 01:16:24,585
debt that we issue is going to be at

2201
01:16:24,585 --> 01:16:26,585
the

2202
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:27,588
most favorable rate in terms, and

2203
01:16:27,588 --> 01:16:29,588
we want

2204
01:16:30,591 --> 01:16:31,592
to make sure we have adequate liquidity

2205
01:16:31,592 --> 01:16:32,593
reserves

2206
01:16:32,593 --> 01:16:33,594
for unplanned events or emergency

2207
01:16:33,594 --> 01:16:35,596
conditions that may occur,

2208
01:16:35,596 --> 01:16:36,597
especially in our environment in florida,

2209
01:16:36,597 --> 01:16:38,597
to mitigate our

2210
01:16:38,599 --> 01:16:39,600
risks and manage our cash flow during

2211
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,600
the challenges that

2212
01:16:42,603 --> 01:16:44,605
could emerge and make sure we manage

2213
01:16:44,605 --> 01:16:45,606
that. And one of the first things

2214
01:16:45,606 --> 01:16:46,607
we do is a

2215
01:16:46,607 --> 01:16:48,609
diagnostic assessment when we put in

2216
01:16:48,609 --> 01:16:50,611
the data these assumptions

2217
01:16:50,611 --> 01:16:51,612
and key financial pillars what do

2218
01:16:51,612 --> 01:16:53,612
we see. These

2219
01:16:54,615 --> 01:16:57,584
two charts depict a couple key metrics.

2220
01:16:57,584 --> 01:16:58,585
the one on the left our debt service

2221
01:16:58,585 --> 01:17:00,585
ratios

2222
01:17:00,587 --> 01:17:03,590
of net operating revenue to our

2223
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:04,591
annual principle and expenses on our

2224
01:17:04,591 --> 01:17:06,591
debt. The

2225
01:17:06,593 --> 01:17:08,993
black line represents that

2226
01:17:09,596 --> 01:17:12,596
target we would like to

2227
01:17:12,599 --> 01:17:15,602
achieve. The information we have for

2228
01:17:15,602 --> 01:17:16,603
the utility we fall below that. You

2229
01:17:16,603 --> 01:17:18,603
can

2230
01:17:18,605 --> 01:17:21,500
see the numbers for

2231
01:17:21,608 --> 01:17:23,608
28' through 31

2232
01:17:24,611 --> 01:17:27,110
'about 1.5. Let alone trying

2233
01:17:27,614 --> 01:17:30,140
to get to that 3. 0

2234
01:17:30,584 --> 01:17:32,584
target that's consistent

2235
01:17:32,586 --> 01:17:33,587
with many of our past coverage ratios

2236
01:17:33,587 --> 01:17:35,587
investors

2237
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:38,592
are used to seeing. We have

2238
01:17:38,592 --> 01:17:39,593
challenges there. Because of the challenges

2239
01:17:39,593 --> 01:17:41,595
we see on coverage it's in

2240
01:17:41,595 --> 01:17:43,597
part because we don't have revenue

2241
01:17:43,597 --> 01:17:44,598
generation to fund

2242
01:17:44,598 --> 01:17:46,600
enough of our capital, which means

2243
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,602
we're having to increase our reliance

2244
01:17:48,602 --> 01:17:49,603
on debt. If we kept with the status

2245
01:17:49,603 --> 01:17:51,603
quo

2246
01:17:51,605 --> 01:17:52,606
rate plan chart on the right shows how

2247
01:17:52,606 --> 01:17:54,606
much of our

2248
01:17:54,608 --> 01:17:55,609
five-year capital plan by year we

2249
01:17:55,609 --> 01:17:58,609
would need to support debt

2250
01:17:58,612 --> 01:17:59,613
so by the time we get to

2251
01:17:59,613 --> 01:18:01,615
2031 talking about issuing almost

2252
01:18:01,615 --> 01:18:03,584
$600 million of debt

2253
01:18:03,584 --> 01:18:04,585
over just that five-year time period which

2254
01:18:04,585 --> 01:18:05,586
is

2255
01:18:05,586 --> 01:18:07,588
double what we have on the system

2256
01:18:07,588 --> 01:18:09,988
today in terms of

2257
01:18:10,591 --> 01:18:13,591
outstanding bonds. So it's a

2258
01:18:13,594 --> 01:18:15,994
significant shift and change

2259
01:18:16,597 --> 01:18:18,597
in

2260
01:18:18,599 --> 01:18:19,600
highly veraged system. What we did

2261
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,601
is

2262
01:18:20,601 --> 01:18:22,603
developed a plan of increases consistent

2263
01:18:22,603 --> 01:18:24,603
with those objectives

2264
01:18:25,606 --> 01:18:27,608
to make sure we had adequate coverage

2265
01:18:27,608 --> 01:18:28,609
on our rates, revenue to support our

2266
01:18:28,609 --> 01:18:29,610
capital needs but

2267
01:18:29,610 --> 01:18:31,612
also did so with equity in mind between

2268
01:18:31,612 --> 01:18:33,612
the effective

2269
01:18:34,615 --> 01:18:36,583
rates per

2270
01:18:36,583 --> 01:18:37,584
thousand gallons of residential and

2271
01:18:37,584 --> 01:18:38,585
commercial customers.

2272
01:18:38,585 --> 01:18:40,587
modifying the rate plan in place today

2273
01:18:40,587 --> 01:18:42,587
to adjust the

2274
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:44,591
fixed and variable

2275
01:18:44,591 --> 01:18:45,592
charges for commercial and residential

2276
01:18:45,592 --> 01:18:46,593
customers for water and sewer service

2277
01:18:46,593 --> 01:18:48,593
and this

2278
01:18:48,595 --> 01:18:49,596
table presents the detailed plan of

2279
01:18:49,596 --> 01:18:51,596
increases for

2280
01:18:52,599 --> 01:18:54,601
27 to 2031 in the first column,

2281
01:18:54,601 --> 01:18:55,602
middle column shows and compares that to

2282
01:18:55,602 --> 01:18:57,602
the current level

2283
01:18:57,604 --> 01:18:58,605
of increases identified in the existing rate

2284
01:18:58,605 --> 01:18:59,606
plan approved

2285
01:18:59,606 --> 01:19:01,608
today and the column on the right

2286
01:19:01,608 --> 01:19:03,608
shows the variance

2287
01:19:03,610 --> 01:19:04,611
or incremental amount of the recommended increases

2288
01:19:04,611 --> 01:19:06,611
what

2289
01:19:07,614 --> 01:19:09,583
that represents above what's

2290
01:19:09,583 --> 01:19:10,584
been approved if the five years rate

2291
01:19:10,584 --> 01:19:12,984
plan. For some there's

2292
01:19:13,587 --> 01:19:14,588
not a change. For residential

2293
01:19:14,588 --> 01:19:16,590
water metric rates no change recommended

2294
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:18,590
for that rate.

2295
01:19:18,592 --> 01:19:19,593
or for commercial volume metric charges

2296
01:19:19,593 --> 01:19:21,593
for

2297
01:19:22,596 --> 01:19:25,599
waste water a 1% increase above what's

2298
01:19:25,599 --> 01:19:28,602
been improved. The net impact of these

2299
01:19:28,602 --> 01:19:29,603
adjustments we'll get into a moment

2300
01:19:29,603 --> 01:19:31,605
but for the average residential customer

2301
01:19:31,605 --> 01:19:33,605
it means

2302
01:19:34,608 --> 01:19:36,608
over

2303
01:19:36,610 --> 01:19:37,611
5% a year for the next few years.

2304
01:19:37,611 --> 01:19:39,611
for the entire

2305
01:19:39,613 --> 01:19:40,614
system on average this represents

2306
01:19:40,614 --> 01:19:42,614
about a

2307
01:19:43,584 --> 01:19:45,584
7. 7% increase

2308
01:19:45,586 --> 01:19:48,589
in revenues each year. We're not alone

2309
01:19:48,589 --> 01:19:49,590
in terms of that level of increase

2310
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:51,590
in rates

2311
01:19:51,592 --> 01:19:52,593
being needed to cover our current

2312
01:19:52,593 --> 01:19:54,993
costs in today's environment.

2313
01:19:55,596 --> 01:19:56,597
as I mentioned we do this work

2314
01:19:56,597 --> 01:19:58,599
throughout florida as well as across

2315
01:19:58,599 --> 01:20:00,601
the country and grab some recent

2316
01:20:00,601 --> 01:20:01,602
examples of agencies, you know, either

2317
01:20:01,602 --> 01:20:03,602
locally

2318
01:20:04,605 --> 01:20:06,607
or other join systems in florida that

2319
01:20:06,607 --> 01:20:07,608
have done rate adjustments to give

2320
01:20:07,608 --> 01:20:09,608
you a sense

2321
01:20:10,611 --> 01:20:13,614
other agencies are looking at similar levels to

2322
01:20:13,614 --> 01:20:14,615
address fundamentally challenges in terms

2323
01:20:14,615 --> 01:20:15,582
of

2324
01:20:15,582 --> 01:20:16,583
increased costs of operations and

2325
01:20:16,583 --> 01:20:18,585
capital and addressing those needs over

2326
01:20:18,585 --> 01:20:19,586
the next few years. Again, you can see

2327
01:20:19,586 --> 01:20:21,586
many of

2328
01:20:21,588 --> 01:20:22,589
these increases are comparable to

2329
01:20:22,589 --> 01:20:24,989
or if not higher

2330
01:20:25,592 --> 01:20:29,792
than the 7. 7% increase that I was talking

2331
01:20:34,601 --> 01:20:36,601
it was

2332
01:20:37,604 --> 01:20:39,606
done based on your needs. To make

2333
01:20:39,606 --> 01:20:40,607
sure we had adequate revenue to immediate

2334
01:20:40,607 --> 01:20:42,607
the

2335
01:20:42,609 --> 01:20:43,610
capital needs, fund in sustainable

2336
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:45,610
way, the

2337
01:20:45,612 --> 01:20:46,613
recommended rate plan would avoid

2338
01:20:46,613 --> 01:20:48,613
about $250 million

2339
01:20:48,615 --> 01:20:49,583
of additional borrowing versus the

2340
01:20:49,583 --> 01:20:51,583
status quo.

2341
01:20:51,585 --> 01:20:52,586
think about the interest expenses you

2342
01:20:52,586 --> 01:20:54,586
would pay

2343
01:20:55,589 --> 01:20:57,591
on that $250 million that's

2344
01:20:57,591 --> 01:20:58,592
a phenomenal amount of savings associated

2345
01:20:58,592 --> 01:21:01,595
with this plan. You can see

2346
01:21:01,595 --> 01:21:02,596
the orange bar that debt service levels

2347
01:21:02,596 --> 01:21:04,596
off.

2348
01:21:04,598 --> 01:21:06,598
it doesn't

2349
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:07,601
continue to increase. It levels off

2350
01:21:07,601 --> 01:21:09,601
at 2031

2351
01:21:10,604 --> 01:21:12,606
and we create capacity for that

2352
01:21:12,606 --> 01:21:13,607
blue line at the bottom to cash more

2353
01:21:13,607 --> 01:21:15,607
of our capital

2354
01:21:16,610 --> 01:21:17,611
in a sustainable manner going forward

2355
01:21:17,611 --> 01:21:19,611
to

2356
01:21:19,613 --> 01:21:22,130
help us ensure long-

2357
01:21:22,583 --> 01:21:25,586
term affordability. The plan was developed

2358
01:21:25,586 --> 01:21:27,588
to ensure or try

2359
01:21:27,588 --> 01:21:28,589
to achieve the equity in terms of

2360
01:21:28,589 --> 01:21:30,589
effective rates

2361
01:21:31,592 --> 01:21:33,594
per thousand gallons comparable

2362
01:21:33,594 --> 01:21:34,595
for residential and commercial customers

2363
01:21:34,595 --> 01:21:36,595
over time.

2364
01:21:36,597 --> 01:21:37,598
this chart depicts where we are today

2365
01:21:37,598 --> 01:21:39,598
when you

2366
01:21:40,601 --> 01:21:43,601
take the bill and --for

2367
01:21:43,604 --> 01:21:46,607
waste water and divide it by the

2368
01:21:46,607 --> 01:21:47,608
volumes, the effective rates and the

2369
01:21:47,608 --> 01:21:49,608
black

2370
01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:50,611
lines the system average and we get on

2371
01:21:50,611 --> 01:21:52,611
the

2372
01:21:52,613 --> 01:21:55,582
target in 2030, and 2031 and for water

2373
01:21:55,582 --> 01:21:56,583
close to having that equity achieved

2374
01:21:56,583 --> 01:21:58,583
by

2375
01:21:58,585 --> 01:22:00,587
2031 and this plan builds on

2376
01:22:00,587 --> 01:22:01,588
that goal or objective established in the existing rate

2377
01:22:01,588 --> 01:22:03,988
plan we have today.

2378
01:22:07,594 --> 01:22:09,594
. This

2379
01:22:10,597 --> 01:22:11,598
plan would meet the needs of the utility

2380
01:22:11,598 --> 01:22:12,599
system and

2381
01:22:12,599 --> 01:22:13,600
understand what impacts would be to

2382
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,000
customers and how it

2383
01:22:16,603 --> 01:22:17,604
is this compare relative to other

2384
01:22:17,604 --> 01:22:19,604
utilities

2385
01:22:19,606 --> 01:22:22,609
not that it drives your decision, but

2386
01:22:22,609 --> 01:22:25,612
it's important to understand the context.

2387
01:22:25,612 --> 01:22:26,613
built out a table that shows for low

2388
01:22:26,613 --> 01:22:28,613
volume

2389
01:22:29,583 --> 01:22:30,584
user a typical high

2390
01:22:30,584 --> 01:22:32,586
volume user what would be the impacts

2391
01:22:32,586 --> 01:22:34,588
on their water bill

2392
01:22:34,588 --> 01:22:35,589
by the recommended adjustments. For

2393
01:22:35,589 --> 01:22:36,590
that

2394
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:38,592
lower volume user at 4,000 gallons

2395
01:22:38,592 --> 01:22:39,593
of water use you can

2396
01:22:39,593 --> 01:22:41,595
see that increase would be less than

2397
01:22:41,595 --> 01:22:43,595
$3 and by

2398
01:22:44,598 --> 01:22:46,998
2031 less than $4. About a

2399
01:22:47,601 --> 01:22:49,603
3 to $4 increase for the lower

2400
01:22:49,603 --> 01:22:50,604
volume user. The typical would see

2401
01:22:50,604 --> 01:22:52,604
less than

2402
01:22:53,607 --> 01:22:55,607
$4, by 2031 that increase $4. 65

2403
01:22:55,609 --> 01:22:56,610
on their bill. For the typical user

2404
01:22:56,610 --> 01:22:58,610
about a 4

2405
01:22:59,613 --> 01:23:01,615
to $5 increase. For higher

2406
01:23:01,615 --> 01:23:05,586
volume users it would be 5 to $6 increase

2407
01:23:05,586 --> 01:23:07,588
on their bill over

2408
01:23:07,588 --> 01:23:08,589
time. And while the percentages may

2409
01:23:08,589 --> 01:23:10,589
seem larger we

2410
01:23:11,592 --> 01:23:13,594
have to appreciate that we

2411
01:23:13,594 --> 01:23:14,595
have the lowest rates in the area

2412
01:23:14,595 --> 01:23:15,596
and even when

2413
01:23:15,596 --> 01:23:17,598
you consider county systems across

2414
01:23:17,598 --> 01:23:19,600
the state. We did a lot

2415
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,603
of benchmarking to show that, so we

2416
01:23:22,603 --> 01:23:25,606
did aa comparison of neighboring or

2417
01:23:25,606 --> 01:23:26,607
regional cities to say what's the

2418
01:23:26,607 --> 01:23:28,607
water bill at

2419
01:23:28,609 --> 01:23:29,610
7,000 gallons for a typical residential

2420
01:23:29,610 --> 01:23:31,610
customer

2421
01:23:31,612 --> 01:23:32,613
the blue bar, corresponding sewer

2422
01:23:32,613 --> 01:23:34,613
bill

2423
01:23:35,616 --> 01:23:38,160
and identified the average

2424
01:23:38,585 --> 01:23:41,585
with the orange line running

2425
01:23:41,588 --> 01:23:43,590
across. Where we would be in

2426
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:44,591
'27 with the proposed increase. For

2427
01:23:44,591 --> 01:23:46,593
all these agencies this

2428
01:23:46,593 --> 01:23:49,596
is a snap shot of their 26' rates.

2429
01:23:49,596 --> 01:23:50,597
for winter garden, recall from the

2430
01:23:50,597 --> 01:23:52,597
table

2431
01:23:52,599 --> 01:23:53,600
I flashed they have a 20% increase next

2432
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,600
year.

2433
01:23:55,602 --> 01:23:56,603
we're likely not going to change our

2434
01:23:56,603 --> 01:23:57,604
position on the survey because that

2435
01:23:57,604 --> 01:23:59,604
bill

2436
01:23:59,606 --> 01:24:01,608
for winter garden will increase

2437
01:24:01,608 --> 01:24:02,609
in '27. We're trying to give you a

2438
01:24:02,609 --> 01:24:03,610
snapshot of where you

2439
01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:05,612
stand today and how you might move

2440
01:24:05,612 --> 01:24:07,614
but there's a lot

2441
01:24:07,614 --> 01:24:08,615
of movement in utility rates in subsequent

2442
01:24:08,615 --> 01:24:10,584
years that would

2443
01:24:10,584 --> 01:24:11,585
affect that. We're comparable locally.

2444
01:24:11,585 --> 01:24:13,585
when we

2445
01:24:13,587 --> 01:24:14,588
look to other county systems throughout

2446
01:24:14,588 --> 01:24:16,588
the

2447
01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:17,591
state, we see that we have some of

2448
01:24:17,591 --> 01:24:19,591
the lowest, if

2449
01:24:20,594 --> 01:24:23,594
not the lowest bills for

2450
01:24:23,597 --> 01:24:24,598
residential customers at 7,000 gallons

2451
01:24:24,598 --> 01:24:25,599
amongst other county

2452
01:24:25,599 --> 01:24:26,600
systems throughout florida. I think

2453
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,600
there's an update to this.

2454
01:24:29,603 --> 01:24:31,605
we are the lowest. Broward

2455
01:24:31,605 --> 01:24:32,606
county is higher than shown here.

2456
01:24:32,606 --> 01:24:34,606
we

2457
01:24:34,608 --> 01:24:35,609
looked at commercial customers and

2458
01:24:35,609 --> 01:24:37,609
found similar results

2459
01:24:38,612 --> 01:24:40,612
for a 2

2460
01:24:41,615 --> 01:24:43,615
inch

2461
01:24:44,585 --> 01:24:46,585
commercial customer, versus

2462
01:24:46,587 --> 01:24:47,588
where we stand for local cities. This

2463
01:24:47,588 --> 01:24:49,588
doesn't

2464
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:50,591
factor in anticipated increases for others

2465
01:24:50,591 --> 01:24:51,592
next year. We're among the lowest

2466
01:24:51,592 --> 01:24:53,592
in

2467
01:24:53,594 --> 01:24:55,994
the area. Locally for

2468
01:24:56,597 --> 01:24:57,598
commercial customers and if we take that again

2469
01:24:57,598 --> 01:24:59,598
a

2470
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,603
broader cross section of similar sized

2471
01:25:02,603 --> 01:25:03,604
agencies generally speaking we have

2472
01:25:03,604 --> 01:25:04,605
amongst

2473
01:25:04,605 --> 01:25:05,606
the lowest rates amongst those types

2474
01:25:05,606 --> 01:25:07,606
of systems in

2475
01:25:07,608 --> 01:25:08,609
florida as well. And if it's of interest

2476
01:25:08,609 --> 01:25:10,609
we did,

2477
01:25:10,611 --> 01:25:11,612
there's not many of these, kind of

2478
01:25:11,612 --> 01:25:12,613
a large bill

2479
01:25:12,613 --> 01:25:14,615
comparison for an 8 inch customer

2480
01:25:14,615 --> 01:25:17,150
with a significant water

2481
01:25:17,584 --> 01:25:18,585
use and, again, very similar findings

2482
01:25:18,585 --> 01:25:19,586
locally we have some of

2483
01:25:19,586 --> 01:25:20,587
the lowest bills in the area and then

2484
01:25:20,587 --> 01:25:22,587
as we look

2485
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:24,591
at the county systems again we are

2486
01:25:24,591 --> 01:25:26,591
among

2487
01:25:26,593 --> 01:25:28,595
the lowest across florida

2488
01:25:28,595 --> 01:25:29,596
for the county utility systems. A lot

2489
01:25:29,596 --> 01:25:31,598
of information at you and I

2490
01:25:31,598 --> 01:25:32,599
will be happy to come back to this

2491
01:25:32,599 --> 01:25:34,601
but glen wanted to

2492
01:25:34,601 --> 01:25:35,602
touch on other related items before we

2493
01:25:35,602 --> 01:25:39,802
get to the question and answer portion.

2494
01:25:47,614 --> 01:25:49,614
>> just

2495
01:25:50,584 --> 01:25:52,584
to conclude the

2496
01:25:52,586 --> 01:25:53,587
presentation and get to the very end

2497
01:25:53,587 --> 01:25:54,588
of it

2498
01:25:54,588 --> 01:25:56,590
we wanted to talk about three rate

2499
01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:59,590
changes that we would like

2500
01:25:59,593 --> 01:26:02,596
to make on our waste water

2501
01:26:02,596 --> 01:26:03,597
scale. The first one is to update

2502
01:26:03,597 --> 01:26:05,597
our

2503
01:26:05,599 --> 01:26:07,999
wastewater environmental sur charges.

2504
01:26:08,602 --> 01:26:10,602
these are sur

2505
01:26:10,604 --> 01:26:11,605
charges paid by customers that have

2506
01:26:11,605 --> 01:26:13,605
specific

2507
01:26:14,608 --> 01:26:17,800
nutrients listed here in

2508
01:26:17,611 --> 01:26:19,611
abbreviated

2509
01:26:19,613 --> 01:26:20,614
form that are, can be accepted up to

2510
01:26:20,614 --> 01:26:22,583
a certain level but after

2511
01:26:22,583 --> 01:26:23,584
that level we need to charge them for

2512
01:26:23,584 --> 01:26:25,984
the treatment they require.

2513
01:26:26,587 --> 01:26:28,987
the charge is expressed

2514
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:31,590
in dollars per 100

2515
01:26:32,593 --> 01:26:35,596
pounds of the nutrient sent to our

2516
01:26:35,596 --> 01:26:37,996
waste water for treatment.

2517
01:26:38,599 --> 01:26:39,600
these charges were being updated at

2518
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,600
the

2519
01:26:41,602 --> 01:26:44,605
instigation of an internal audit from

2520
01:26:44,605 --> 01:26:45,606
the comptroller's office looking at

2521
01:26:45,606 --> 01:26:47,608
our environmental compliance program

2522
01:26:47,608 --> 01:26:48,609
and one of the things they pointed

2523
01:26:48,609 --> 01:26:50,609
out was

2524
01:26:50,611 --> 01:26:51,612
that the revenue generated by these

2525
01:26:51,612 --> 01:26:53,612
charges

2526
01:26:53,614 --> 01:26:55,616
do not pay the entire cost for the

2527
01:26:55,616 --> 01:26:57,584
environmental compliance program.

2528
01:26:57,584 --> 01:26:59,584
therefore, the suggestion

2529
01:26:59,586 --> 01:27:00,587
was either reduce the activity to

2530
01:27:00,587 --> 01:27:02,587
lower costs

2531
01:27:02,589 --> 01:27:03,590
which was not the way we wanted to

2532
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:05,590
go

2533
01:27:05,592 --> 01:27:06,593
with environmental compliance or reallocate

2534
01:27:06,593 --> 01:27:08,593
and look

2535
01:27:08,595 --> 01:27:09,596
at the cost structure and recalculate

2536
01:27:09,596 --> 01:27:11,596
the

2537
01:27:12,599 --> 01:27:14,999
rates. We engaged our

2538
01:27:15,602 --> 01:27:17,602
engineering consultant to

2539
01:27:18,605 --> 01:27:20,607
reanalyze and recalculate these

2540
01:27:20,607 --> 01:27:21,608
nutrient levels and how much they

2541
01:27:21,608 --> 01:27:22,609
are costing from the

2542
01:27:22,609 --> 01:27:24,611
treatment. You can see from the chart

2543
01:27:24,611 --> 01:27:26,611
the fire, chemical

2544
01:27:27,614 --> 01:27:29,583
oxygen demand is going up about

2545
01:27:29,583 --> 01:27:32,583
20% with new updated charge total

2546
01:27:33,587 --> 01:27:35,587
suspended solids up 9%,

2547
01:27:35,589 --> 01:27:36,590
total nitrogen didn't need much adjustment,

2548
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:38,590
only going

2549
01:27:39,593 --> 01:27:40,594
up 1. 5%, and total phosphorous

2550
01:27:40,594 --> 01:27:44,194
charge needed the greatest adjustment at 45%.

2551
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,602
the second change we would like to

2552
01:27:48,602 --> 01:27:50,604
do is include a new fee

2553
01:27:50,604 --> 01:27:51,605
for a lateral installation or repair,

2554
01:27:51,605 --> 01:27:53,605
this

2555
01:27:53,607 --> 01:27:54,608
fee listed at cost. What happens occasionally

2556
01:27:54,608 --> 01:27:56,608
is

2557
01:27:56,610 --> 01:27:57,611
that a developer might ask our field

2558
01:27:57,611 --> 01:27:59,611
services division

2559
01:28:00,614 --> 01:28:02,616
to install a lateral from our waste

2560
01:28:02,616 --> 01:28:03,584
water force main to their plumbing

2561
01:28:03,584 --> 01:28:04,585
for their

2562
01:28:04,585 --> 01:28:06,587
development. That's not part of our

2563
01:28:06,587 --> 01:28:08,587
responsibility, but

2564
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:10,591
we wanted to be cooperative

2565
01:28:10,591 --> 01:28:12,593
and helpful and make sure we can recover

2566
01:28:12,593 --> 01:28:13,594
our costs for that.

2567
01:28:13,594 --> 01:28:15,596
our business practice is to build

2568
01:28:15,596 --> 01:28:18,596
back for that cost when

2569
01:28:18,599 --> 01:28:19,600
this happens, but we wanted to insert

2570
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:20,601
a

2571
01:28:20,601 --> 01:28:21,602
fee into our rate schedule so it can

2572
01:28:21,602 --> 01:28:23,602
be a

2573
01:28:24,605 --> 01:28:26,605
board approved fee

2574
01:28:26,607 --> 01:28:27,608
we're charging to them. Because the

2575
01:28:27,608 --> 01:28:29,608
conditions in the

2576
01:28:29,610 --> 01:28:30,611
field vary job to job not a way to establish a specific fee for

2577
01:28:30,611 --> 01:28:32,611
costs.

2578
01:28:38,585 --> 01:28:41,588
third create a new environmental program

2579
01:28:41,588 --> 01:28:42,589
reinspection fee. We have technicians

2580
01:28:42,589 --> 01:28:44,589
that go

2581
01:28:45,592 --> 01:28:47,594
to restaurants and other customers

2582
01:28:47,594 --> 01:28:48,595
that have grease traps and inspect

2583
01:28:48,595 --> 01:28:50,595
them to

2584
01:28:50,597 --> 01:28:51,598
make sure they're cleaned out. If

2585
01:28:51,598 --> 01:28:53,600
it's not cleaned out they would

2586
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,601
go back a second time to inspect it

2587
01:28:54,601 --> 01:28:57,100
and if it's not

2588
01:28:57,604 --> 01:29:00,400
cleaned out they would

2589
01:29:00,607 --> 01:29:03,607
go back a third time

2590
01:29:03,610 --> 01:29:06,613
and if not cleaned out at that point they would

2591
01:29:06,613 --> 01:29:08,615
be issued a fine of $500.

2592
01:29:08,615 --> 01:29:09,583
we're incurring costs to have that

2593
01:29:09,583 --> 01:29:11,583
inspector go out

2594
01:29:12,586 --> 01:29:13,587
a third and second time so in

2595
01:29:13,587 --> 01:29:15,589
order recover that cost and perhaps

2596
01:29:15,589 --> 01:29:17,591
provide a little bit of

2597
01:29:17,591 --> 01:29:18,592
financial incentive to our customers

2598
01:29:18,592 --> 01:29:19,593
to get the

2599
01:29:19,593 --> 01:29:21,595
grease trap cleaned the first time, we

2600
01:29:21,595 --> 01:29:23,995
would like to have

2601
01:29:24,598 --> 01:29:26,598
a reinspection fee

2602
01:29:27,601 --> 01:29:30,604
so that when we have to go

2603
01:29:30,604 --> 01:29:33,607
out, we would charge them $48 based

2604
01:29:33,607 --> 01:29:35,607
on our 2025 costs

2605
01:29:36,610 --> 01:29:40,210
and charged at one hour minimum.

2606
01:29:42,616 --> 01:29:44,616
for our next

2607
01:29:51,592 --> 01:29:53,992
step --part of the

2608
01:29:54,595 --> 01:29:56,597
state of florida process

2609
01:29:56,597 --> 01:29:57,598
for us to increase our rates. The

2610
01:29:57,598 --> 01:29:59,598
first step

2611
01:30:00,601 --> 01:30:02,603
is going to be

2612
01:30:02,603 --> 01:30:03,604
just to be approving preliminary rate

2613
01:30:03,604 --> 01:30:05,604
schedule. With

2614
01:30:05,606 --> 01:30:06,607
your vote today if everything is passed

2615
01:30:06,607 --> 01:30:08,607
nothing will

2616
01:30:09,610 --> 01:30:11,610
change.

2617
01:30:12,613 --> 01:30:14,615
it's only going to be

2618
01:30:14,615 --> 01:30:15,616
after a public hearing that the rates

2619
01:30:15,616 --> 01:30:17,584
would

2620
01:30:17,584 --> 01:30:18,585
change. Therefore, we have scheduled

2621
01:30:18,585 --> 01:30:21,588
a public hearing or will be

2622
01:30:21,588 --> 01:30:24,591
on january 27th of next year.

2623
01:30:24,591 --> 01:30:27,594
and that would be for the

2624
01:30:27,594 --> 01:30:30,594
final adoption if the board

2625
01:30:30,597 --> 01:30:32,599
chooses to do so. We would conduct

2626
01:30:32,599 --> 01:30:33,600
customer outreach. We found that this

2627
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,600
is very

2628
01:30:36,603 --> 01:30:39,300
effective in prior rate

2629
01:30:39,606 --> 01:30:42,600
changes, especially ones where

2630
01:30:42,609 --> 01:30:44,611
they go up more than the 3% indexes

2631
01:30:44,611 --> 01:30:45,612
we might do and do several things

2632
01:30:45,612 --> 01:30:48,612
to reach out to the

2633
01:30:48,615 --> 01:30:50,584
customers and one we can include is

2634
01:30:50,584 --> 01:30:51,585
communicating what mr. Burnham has

2635
01:30:51,585 --> 01:30:53,585
shown you we

2636
01:30:53,587 --> 01:30:54,588
have some of the lowest rates for

2637
01:30:54,588 --> 01:30:57,588
water and waste water in

2638
01:30:57,591 --> 01:30:58,592
the area and even though no customer

2639
01:30:58,592 --> 01:30:59,593
wants to receive

2640
01:30:59,593 --> 01:31:00,594
a rate increase and we don't want

2641
01:31:00,594 --> 01:31:02,594
to give them

2642
01:31:02,596 --> 01:31:03,597
a rate increase to help them understand

2643
01:31:03,597 --> 01:31:05,597
it is

2644
01:31:05,599 --> 01:31:06,600
necessary and they're getting one of

2645
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,600
the best deals

2646
01:31:09,603 --> 01:31:10,604
in central florida. Finally the if

2647
01:31:10,604 --> 01:31:12,604
everything

2648
01:31:12,606 --> 01:31:15,609
is passed the rates would become effective

2649
01:31:15,609 --> 01:31:17,611
october 1st of next year. We found

2650
01:31:17,611 --> 01:31:18,612
many commercial customers especially

2651
01:31:18,612 --> 01:31:20,612
appreciate the long

2652
01:31:21,615 --> 01:31:22,616
runway leading up to the rate increases

2653
01:31:22,616 --> 01:31:24,585
to plan their

2654
01:31:24,585 --> 01:31:27,588
budgets and get ready for the adjustments

2655
01:31:27,588 --> 01:31:30,591
that they need to make. That

2656
01:31:30,591 --> 01:31:32,591
brings us to

2657
01:31:32,593 --> 01:31:33,594
the requested action. We have two

2658
01:31:33,594 --> 01:31:35,594
resolutions for your

2659
01:31:36,597 --> 01:31:37,598
consideration. One is a resolution

2660
01:31:37,598 --> 01:31:38,599
with

2661
01:31:38,599 --> 01:31:40,601
a preliminary water charge schedule

2662
01:31:40,601 --> 01:31:42,601
and the second

2663
01:31:42,603 --> 01:31:45,606
is a resolution with a preliminary

2664
01:31:45,606 --> 01:31:46,607
waste water charge schedule. So this

2665
01:31:46,607 --> 01:31:47,608
concludes

2666
01:31:47,608 --> 01:31:49,610
our presentation. Mr. Burnham and

2667
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:52,100
I are available for

2668
01:31:52,613 --> 01:31:55,613
any questions you may have.

2669
01:31:55,616 --> 01:31:56,583
thank you.

2670
01:31:56,583 --> 01:31:58,583
>> all right.

2671
01:31:58,585 --> 01:32:00,985
I'm going to start

2672
01:32:01,588 --> 01:32:04,591
off, if I --I think slide

2673
01:32:04,591 --> 01:32:06,591
12st and maybe

2674
01:32:07,594 --> 01:32:09,594
22 showed different

2675
01:32:10,597 --> 01:32:11,598
costs between the municipalities

2676
01:32:11,598 --> 01:32:13,600
within the areas compared to orange county

2677
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,000
and the way I

2678
01:32:16,603 --> 01:32:18,603
read it,

2679
01:32:19,606 --> 01:32:21,608
the average residential customer

2680
01:32:21,608 --> 01:32:22,609
uses 7,000 gallons during the billing

2681
01:32:22,609 --> 01:32:24,609
cycle, is

2682
01:32:25,612 --> 01:32:26,613
that correct?

2683
01:32:26,613 --> 01:32:28,613
>> that's

2684
01:32:28,615 --> 01:32:29,583
correct. Per month.

2685
01:32:29,583 --> 01:32:31,583
>> and if

2686
01:32:31,585 --> 01:32:34,588
I look at this chart, orange

2687
01:32:34,588 --> 01:32:36,588
county average cost

2688
01:32:37,591 --> 01:32:39,591
is somewhere around 0

2689
01:32:39,593 --> 01:32:40,594
bucks for that person?

2690
01:32:40,594 --> 01:32:41,595
>> that's correct.

2691
01:32:41,595 --> 01:32:43,595
>> I live

2692
01:32:43,597 --> 01:32:44,598
in unincorporated orange county

2693
01:32:44,598 --> 01:32:46,600
but I don't have orange county water I

2694
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,600
have orlando utilities

2695
01:32:49,603 --> 01:32:52,606
and for me, the chart says

2696
01:32:52,606 --> 01:32:55,600
because I have orlando

2697
01:32:55,609 --> 01:32:58,609
utilities, I pay more. It

2698
01:32:58,612 --> 01:33:00,614
looks like slightly 80 bucks.

2699
01:33:00,614 --> 01:33:03,614
>> correct. >> so I pay basically

2700
01:33:04,585 --> 01:33:06,585
if I

2701
01:33:06,587 --> 01:33:10,187
was using the average gallons per

2702
01:33:10,591 --> 01:33:12,591
month paying about

2703
01:33:13,594 --> 01:33:15,594
$10 more a

2704
01:33:16,597 --> 01:33:18,599
month or 10% more. Thereabouts

2705
01:33:18,599 --> 01:33:19,600
for what I'm use in unincorporated orange

2706
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,600
county.

2707
01:33:22,603 --> 01:33:24,603
so even

2708
01:33:24,605 --> 01:33:25,606
with the rate increases that orange

2709
01:33:25,606 --> 01:33:27,606
county

2710
01:33:28,609 --> 01:33:30,609
is proposing

2711
01:33:30,611 --> 01:33:31,612
today, it still will be below I'm

2712
01:33:31,612 --> 01:33:32,613
going to

2713
01:33:32,613 --> 01:33:34,615
say orlando utilities commission,

2714
01:33:34,615 --> 01:33:35,616
right?

2715
01:33:35,616 --> 01:33:36,583
>> that's correct. >> I feel like I'm paying too

2716
01:33:36,583 --> 01:33:38,583
much.

2717
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:45,590
I'm going to

2718
01:33:46,593 --> 01:33:47,594
open it up for questions.

2719
01:33:47,594 --> 01:33:49,596
commissioner wilson and moore and

2720
01:33:49,596 --> 01:33:51,596
uribe

2721
01:33:52,599 --> 01:33:53,600
and commissioner semrad, commissioner maribel

2722
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,601
gomez

2723
01:33:54,601 --> 01:33:55,602
cordero cordero.

2724
01:33:55,602 --> 01:33:56,603
>> thank you. Thank

2725
01:33:56,603 --> 01:33:57,604
you so much for

2726
01:33:57,604 --> 01:33:58,605
this comprehensive amount of information.

2727
01:33:58,605 --> 01:34:00,607
I am so sorry I didn't

2728
01:34:00,607 --> 01:34:01,608
make it to the briefing but did get

2729
01:34:01,608 --> 01:34:03,608
this wealth of

2730
01:34:03,610 --> 01:34:04,611
information because that's what you

2731
01:34:04,611 --> 01:34:06,611
all always

2732
01:34:06,613 --> 01:34:07,614
do and I'm grateful for the work.

2733
01:34:07,614 --> 01:34:09,616
I think my first meeting

2734
01:34:09,616 --> 01:34:11,585
with utilities may have said are we

2735
01:34:11,585 --> 01:34:12,586
short changing ourselves? I said I

2736
01:34:12,586 --> 01:34:15,586
think we're short changing ourselves.

2737
01:34:16,590 --> 01:34:18,592
I'm concerned about this.

2738
01:34:18,592 --> 01:34:19,593
and there was a look amongst like

2739
01:34:19,593 --> 01:34:21,993
we've been talking about

2740
01:34:22,596 --> 01:34:24,596
it. I

2741
01:34:24,598 --> 01:34:25,599
understand this is an uncomfortable

2742
01:34:25,599 --> 01:34:27,599
conversation but seeing

2743
01:34:27,601 --> 01:34:28,602
the costs impose on the utility that

2744
01:34:28,602 --> 01:34:31,602
is not something that we

2745
01:34:31,605 --> 01:34:34,608
have control of. Right. What do we

2746
01:34:34,608 --> 01:34:35,609
do then? Do we

2747
01:34:35,609 --> 01:34:36,610
take a shortcut shortcutsomewhere?

2748
01:34:36,610 --> 01:34:37,611
those of us who studied what happened

2749
01:34:37,611 --> 01:34:39,611
in flint, michigan,

2750
01:34:39,613 --> 01:34:40,614
know you don't take shortcuts when

2751
01:34:40,614 --> 01:34:42,614
it comes to

2752
01:34:42,616 --> 01:34:45,586
water. I think, you know, I support,

2753
01:34:45,586 --> 01:34:46,587
obviously, this incremental resolution

2754
01:34:46,587 --> 01:34:48,587
in moving forward

2755
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:52,593
with this. I do always also have that

2756
01:34:52,593 --> 01:34:53,594
glint on it about conservation and

2757
01:34:53,594 --> 01:34:54,595
see opportunity

2758
01:34:54,595 --> 01:34:55,596
there for greater conservation and

2759
01:34:55,596 --> 01:34:57,598
would like to say

2760
01:34:57,598 --> 01:34:58,599
that as we continue to move this conversation

2761
01:34:58,599 --> 01:35:00,599
forward with the

2762
01:35:01,602 --> 01:35:02,603
public, let's really lean on

2763
01:35:02,603 --> 01:35:04,605
that because, you know, talking about

2764
01:35:04,605 --> 01:35:07,605
native plantings and how we

2765
01:35:07,608 --> 01:35:09,610
can decrease our reused water, talking

2766
01:35:09,610 --> 01:35:10,611
about what we can do, you know, even

2767
01:35:10,611 --> 01:35:12,611
with adapting our

2768
01:35:13,614 --> 01:35:14,615
shower head, those are the things we

2769
01:35:14,615 --> 01:35:15,616
can

2770
01:35:15,616 --> 01:35:16,583
provide as an education professionally

2771
01:35:16,583 --> 01:35:18,583
as an easy

2772
01:35:18,585 --> 01:35:19,586
investment in going out to the public that

2773
01:35:19,586 --> 01:35:21,986
will then say, you

2774
01:35:22,589 --> 01:35:23,590
know, this will help. This will help

2775
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:25,590
your

2776
01:35:25,592 --> 01:35:28,592
bill, us overall as a

2777
01:35:28,595 --> 01:35:31,595
community, and I do think

2778
01:35:31,598 --> 01:35:32,599
that --I

2779
01:35:32,599 --> 01:35:34,601
think it's important also because of

2780
01:35:34,601 --> 01:35:37,100
the crazy doge stuff

2781
01:35:37,604 --> 01:35:38,605
was there any inspection into these

2782
01:35:38,605 --> 01:35:40,605
costs

2783
01:35:40,607 --> 01:35:43,700
we're incurring from chemicals

2784
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:44,611
and potentially equipment things that we

2785
01:35:44,611 --> 01:35:46,611
have no ability

2786
01:35:46,613 --> 01:35:48,615
to try to shortcut on? Was

2787
01:35:48,615 --> 01:35:49,616
there any inspection of that during

2788
01:35:49,616 --> 01:35:51,585
the doge?

2789
01:35:51,585 --> 01:35:52,586
>> none to my knowledge. The only

2790
01:35:52,586 --> 01:35:54,986
thing is when they

2791
01:35:55,589 --> 01:35:57,591
were asking for contracts and

2792
01:35:57,591 --> 01:35:58,592
purchasing information that we provided.

2793
01:35:58,592 --> 01:36:00,592
>>

2794
01:36:00,594 --> 01:36:01,595
just wanted to make sure you weren't

2795
01:36:01,595 --> 01:36:03,995
doing minority and women

2796
01:36:04,598 --> 01:36:06,600
owned businesses with that. The

2797
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:07,601
part that is important to understand we

2798
01:36:07,601 --> 01:36:09,603
are trying much like any business in

2799
01:36:09,603 --> 01:36:10,604
the utilities division is a business,

2800
01:36:10,604 --> 01:36:13,400
in that it's covering

2801
01:36:13,607 --> 01:36:17,611
its expenses in the west way it can t

2802
01:36:17,611 --> 01:36:20,611
and that the reinis vestment

2803
01:36:20,614 --> 01:36:21,615
into its those cips, that

2804
01:36:21,615 --> 01:36:23,584
is why orange county utilities has

2805
01:36:23,584 --> 01:36:25,984
been the best and

2806
01:36:26,587 --> 01:36:28,589
I do have my --I get my orange

2807
01:36:28,589 --> 01:36:29,590
county water. It's in this cup right

2808
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:31,590
here.

2809
01:36:31,592 --> 01:36:32,593
I just want to tell you that I support

2810
01:36:32,593 --> 01:36:33,594
the

2811
01:36:33,594 --> 01:36:35,596
way that you're approaching this and I

2812
01:36:35,596 --> 01:36:38,596
believe that it's a reasonable

2813
01:36:38,599 --> 01:36:39,600
ask and I support it.

2814
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:40,601
>> thank

2815
01:36:40,601 --> 01:36:41,602
you, commissioner.

2816
01:36:41,602 --> 01:36:42,603
>> commissioner

2817
01:36:42,603 --> 01:36:43,604
moore.

2818
01:36:43,604 --> 01:36:44,605
>> yes. It seemed

2819
01:36:44,605 --> 01:36:46,607
like a lot of your expenses

2820
01:36:46,607 --> 01:36:47,608
were adding towards 50% more, if I

2821
01:36:47,608 --> 01:36:49,608
was doing a

2822
01:36:49,610 --> 01:36:50,611
quick rounding, but if you can go

2823
01:36:50,611 --> 01:36:52,611
back to

2824
01:36:53,614 --> 01:36:55,614
the rate, the

2825
01:36:55,616 --> 01:36:56,583
customer impacts which I believe is

2826
01:36:56,583 --> 01:36:58,583
on

2827
01:36:59,586 --> 01:37:00,587
page 20. I'm

2828
01:37:00,587 --> 01:37:02,589
trying to understand then exactly

2829
01:37:02,589 --> 01:37:03,590
how you got to

2830
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:05,592
that amount. Those amounts look --

2831
01:37:05,592 --> 01:37:07,594
listen, I'm not happy about

2832
01:37:07,594 --> 01:37:08,595
this for our people at all, but --

2833
01:37:08,595 --> 01:37:10,595
so

2834
01:37:11,598 --> 01:37:14,598
I don't want this comment

2835
01:37:14,601 --> 01:37:17,100
misconstrued but seems those

2836
01:37:17,604 --> 01:37:19,606
increases maybe don't cover the

2837
01:37:19,606 --> 01:37:20,607
increasing costs.

2838
01:37:20,607 --> 01:37:21,608
>> this is on a

2839
01:37:21,608 --> 01:37:22,609
monthly

2840
01:37:22,609 --> 01:37:26,613
bill and so it depending on how much

2841
01:37:26,613 --> 01:37:29,616
water is used, to commissioner wilson's

2842
01:37:29,616 --> 01:37:31,585
point, if we have effective

2843
01:37:31,585 --> 01:37:34,585
outreach for the environmental conservation

2844
01:37:34,588 --> 01:37:35,589
water conservation, then the bills

2845
01:37:35,589 --> 01:37:37,589
can be

2846
01:37:37,591 --> 01:37:38,592
lower closer to that 4,000 level that's

2847
01:37:38,592 --> 01:37:40,592
listed at

2848
01:37:41,595 --> 01:37:42,596
the top versus the 7,000

2849
01:37:42,596 --> 01:37:44,598
gallon listed in the middle or the

2850
01:37:44,598 --> 01:37:46,598
12,000 for a

2851
01:37:47,601 --> 01:37:48,602
high user.

2852
01:37:48,602 --> 01:37:49,603
>> I understand. Is

2853
01:37:49,603 --> 01:37:52,603
it because your operational costs

2854
01:37:53,607 --> 01:37:54,608
have not gone up as much as when you're

2855
01:37:54,608 --> 01:37:56,610
having to hire companies on the capital

2856
01:37:56,610 --> 01:37:57,611
side? The operational hasn't gone

2857
01:37:57,611 --> 01:37:58,612
up

2858
01:37:58,612 --> 01:37:59,613
as much as the capital?

2859
01:37:59,613 --> 01:38:00,614
>> they've

2860
01:38:00,614 --> 01:38:01,615
both gone up

2861
01:38:01,615 --> 01:38:02,616
tremendously. The fact that this looks

2862
01:38:02,616 --> 01:38:05,160
like in one respect

2863
01:38:05,586 --> 01:38:06,587
a small

2864
01:38:06,587 --> 01:38:08,589
increase, compared to the huge increases

2865
01:38:08,589 --> 01:38:11,589
we're having on operations, just

2866
01:38:11,592 --> 01:38:13,594
the fact that we have so many

2867
01:38:13,594 --> 01:38:15,594
customers. 150 to 200,000 customers

2868
01:38:17,598 --> 01:38:18,599
so a little bit from

2869
01:38:18,599 --> 01:38:20,601
everybody contributes to the capturing

2870
01:38:20,601 --> 01:38:22,603
of those costs and being

2871
01:38:22,603 --> 01:38:23,604
able to pay for them.

2872
01:38:23,604 --> 01:38:24,605
>> there's nothing

2873
01:38:24,605 --> 01:38:25,606
more important than

2874
01:38:25,606 --> 01:38:26,607
water. After a hurricane, you know,

2875
01:38:26,607 --> 01:38:27,608
we

2876
01:38:27,608 --> 01:38:29,610
survive barely without power. But

2877
01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:31,610
you can't go

2878
01:38:31,612 --> 01:38:32,613
very long without water. So that day

2879
01:38:32,613 --> 01:38:34,613
that

2880
01:38:34,615 --> 01:38:35,616
water is being a cheap commodity seems

2881
01:38:35,616 --> 01:38:37,616
like it's going

2882
01:38:38,585 --> 01:38:40,587
away. There is an

2883
01:38:40,587 --> 01:38:41,588
easier way to explain to the public

2884
01:38:41,588 --> 01:38:43,588
you took a

2885
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:45,592
deep dive, which we need because we're

2886
01:38:45,592 --> 01:38:47,594
responsible to look at that level,

2887
01:38:47,594 --> 01:38:50,597
but is there an easier, quicker way

2888
01:38:50,597 --> 01:38:53,600
to explain to them why the increase

2889
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,601
in these costs?

2890
01:38:54,601 --> 01:38:56,601
>> I

2891
01:38:56,603 --> 01:38:58,605
think the costs have increased mainly after

2892
01:38:58,605 --> 01:38:59,606
the pandemic because there were a

2893
01:38:59,606 --> 01:39:01,606
lot

2894
01:39:01,608 --> 01:39:02,609
of supply chain issues and so it was hard

2895
01:39:02,609 --> 01:39:04,609
to get

2896
01:39:05,612 --> 01:39:07,612
materials. It

2897
01:39:07,614 --> 01:39:08,615
was hard the shipping with the increasing of

2898
01:39:08,615 --> 01:39:10,615
the

2899
01:39:11,585 --> 01:39:12,586
gas prices since the pandemic

2900
01:39:12,586 --> 01:39:14,588
distributed to the shipping costs

2901
01:39:14,588 --> 01:39:16,588
getting

2902
01:39:16,590 --> 01:39:17,591
materials to the site. The fact is

2903
01:39:17,591 --> 01:39:19,591
that in

2904
01:39:19,593 --> 01:39:20,594
our industry the cost we are facing

2905
01:39:20,594 --> 01:39:22,994
is not the same

2906
01:39:23,597 --> 01:39:26,597
costs that a consumer faces.

2907
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,000
we did look at

2908
01:39:29,603 --> 01:39:31,605
the cpi, one year of

2909
01:39:31,605 --> 01:39:32,606
inflation, and coming back down since

2910
01:39:32,606 --> 01:39:34,606
then, now it's

2911
01:39:35,609 --> 01:39:37,609
around

2912
01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:40,612
3% or so, so

2913
01:39:41,615 --> 01:39:43,584
what their experiencing for

2914
01:39:43,584 --> 01:39:44,585
purchasing food and services for their

2915
01:39:44,585 --> 01:39:46,587
household is a separate

2916
01:39:46,587 --> 01:39:47,588
set of costs we have to purchase for

2917
01:39:47,588 --> 01:39:49,588
the production

2918
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:50,591
of water, the treatment of waste water,

2919
01:39:50,591 --> 01:39:52,591
given

2920
01:39:53,594 --> 01:39:56,597
the chemicals, the regulatory requirements we

2921
01:39:56,597 --> 01:39:59,597
have to follow to dispose

2922
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,602
of biosolids, all of the distribution

2923
01:40:01,602 --> 01:40:02,603
system that is buried under the ground

2924
01:40:02,603 --> 01:40:04,603
an nobody

2925
01:40:05,606 --> 01:40:06,607
sees, but needs to be maintained and

2926
01:40:06,607 --> 01:40:08,607
then just to

2927
01:40:08,609 --> 01:40:10,611
be building the expense of

2928
01:40:10,611 --> 01:40:11,612
water and waste water facilities needed

2929
01:40:11,612 --> 01:40:13,612
to serve our

2930
01:40:13,614 --> 01:40:14,615
current customers to make sure it

2931
01:40:14,615 --> 01:40:17,584
stays good working order but

2932
01:40:17,584 --> 01:40:20,587
then also to serve the new customers

2933
01:40:20,587 --> 01:40:21,588
coming out and --

2934
01:40:21,588 --> 01:40:22,589
>> aren't there labor

2935
01:40:22,589 --> 01:40:23,590
costs as

2936
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:24,591
well? When you look at the cost for

2937
01:40:24,591 --> 01:40:26,591
your

2938
01:40:26,593 --> 01:40:29,596
5 million gallon a day plan from

2939
01:40:29,596 --> 01:40:31,996
110 going from memory 168, that

2940
01:40:32,599 --> 01:40:35,602
is a tremendous increase. You're saying some

2941
01:40:35,602 --> 01:40:36,603
of that is parts but there is a labor

2942
01:40:36,603 --> 01:40:38,603
component to this

2943
01:40:38,605 --> 01:40:39,606
as well?

2944
01:40:39,606 --> 01:40:41,606
>>

2945
01:40:41,608 --> 01:40:43,610
yes. It all works

2946
01:40:43,610 --> 01:40:44,611
together to increase costs and these are

2947
01:40:44,611 --> 01:40:46,611
the estimates and

2948
01:40:47,614 --> 01:40:48,615
bids we're getting from our contractors,

2949
01:40:48,615 --> 01:40:49,616
so they're

2950
01:40:49,616 --> 01:40:50,584
trying to cover their costs and of

2951
01:40:50,584 --> 01:40:52,584
course this is

2952
01:40:52,586 --> 01:40:53,587
a capitalistic society so they're

2953
01:40:53,587 --> 01:40:56,590
going to try to make money

2954
01:40:56,590 --> 01:40:57,591
doing it. At the end of the day since

2955
01:40:57,591 --> 01:40:59,591
competitively

2956
01:40:59,593 --> 01:41:02,596
bid they're going to try to put one

2957
01:41:02,596 --> 01:41:03,597
of their best cost forward to get

2958
01:41:03,597 --> 01:41:05,597
the job

2959
01:41:05,599 --> 01:41:07,601
versus trying to make money and not

2960
01:41:07,601 --> 01:41:09,603
get the job if their cost estimate

2961
01:41:09,603 --> 01:41:10,604
too

2962
01:41:10,604 --> 01:41:11,605
high.

2963
01:41:11,605 --> 01:41:12,606
>> we competitively bid these

2964
01:41:12,606 --> 01:41:13,607
projects.

2965
01:41:13,607 --> 01:41:15,609
a lot of this coming from the private

2966
01:41:15,609 --> 01:41:17,609
sector

2967
01:41:18,612 --> 01:41:21,120
side, perhaps labor short

2968
01:41:21,615 --> 01:41:23,615
ams,

2969
01:41:24,585 --> 01:41:25,586
inflation, supply chain. I heard yesterday

2970
01:41:25,586 --> 01:41:27,588
a comment there was so much more money

2971
01:41:27,588 --> 01:41:29,588
coming from

2972
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:30,591
the federal government in terms of

2973
01:41:30,591 --> 01:41:32,591
infrastructure

2974
01:41:32,593 --> 01:41:33,594
that you think that any kind of impact

2975
01:41:33,594 --> 01:41:35,594
in

2976
01:41:36,597 --> 01:41:37,598
driving these costs up?

2977
01:41:37,598 --> 01:41:39,600
>>. >> when the money was coming in

2978
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,600
in the form

2979
01:41:42,603 --> 01:41:43,604
of grants, like arpa,

2980
01:41:43,604 --> 01:41:45,606
that did help to fray some of the

2981
01:41:45,606 --> 01:41:47,608
costs over time. Now most of

2982
01:41:47,608 --> 01:41:49,610
that money has dried up and it's harder

2983
01:41:49,610 --> 01:41:51,612
to find grant money to do some of

2984
01:41:51,612 --> 01:41:54,615
the projects we would like to

2985
01:41:54,615 --> 01:41:55,616
do. We look hard, but

2986
01:41:55,616 --> 01:41:56,617
we have challenges in that area.

2987
01:41:56,617 --> 01:41:57,584
>>

2988
01:41:57,584 --> 01:41:59,586
well, to go back to

2989
01:41:59,586 --> 01:42:00,587
the conservation side, you briefed

2990
01:42:00,587 --> 01:42:02,589
me yesterday and I

2991
01:42:02,589 --> 01:42:04,591
was in complete shock and so you modified

2992
01:42:04,591 --> 01:42:06,593
my behavior already when I turned the

2993
01:42:06,593 --> 01:42:07,594
water onto make

2994
01:42:07,594 --> 01:42:09,596
the coffee this morning, I said I

2995
01:42:09,596 --> 01:42:10,597
am

2996
01:42:10,597 --> 01:42:12,599
not wasting water until this gets

2997
01:42:12,599 --> 01:42:14,599
hot so I

2998
01:42:14,601 --> 01:42:15,602
had my jug to water my plants outside.

2999
01:42:15,602 --> 01:42:17,602
I didn't

3000
01:42:17,604 --> 01:42:20,607
want to waste one drop after I heard

3001
01:42:20,607 --> 01:42:21,608
this situation and made me start thinking

3002
01:42:21,608 --> 01:42:23,610
about all the ways I

3003
01:42:23,610 --> 01:42:24,611
could personally save. I don't think

3004
01:42:24,611 --> 01:42:26,611
there's

3005
01:42:26,613 --> 01:42:27,614
a family out there this is going to

3006
01:42:27,614 --> 01:42:29,614
be easy

3007
01:42:30,584 --> 01:42:32,586
on. I was curious if there'sthere's

3008
01:42:32,586 --> 01:42:36,590
any, you know, body of work that could

3009
01:42:36,590 --> 01:42:37,591
help us understand the whole family

3010
01:42:37,591 --> 01:42:39,593
took five minute showers, you know,

3011
01:42:39,593 --> 01:42:41,595
how many in your

3012
01:42:41,595 --> 01:42:42,596
household, how many gallons you would

3013
01:42:42,596 --> 01:42:44,996
save. I think we

3014
01:42:45,599 --> 01:42:48,602
owe it to the public to help

3015
01:42:48,602 --> 01:42:50,604
them quantify how to save money and

3016
01:42:50,604 --> 01:42:54,608
usage and, of course, water is not

3017
01:42:54,608 --> 01:42:55,609
an unlimited commodity. We

3018
01:42:55,609 --> 01:42:57,611
know you're looking at brackish water

3019
01:42:57,611 --> 01:42:59,613
conversions. Is there any --

3020
01:42:59,613 --> 01:43:00,614
you've got a consultant. Anything

3021
01:43:00,614 --> 01:43:01,615
out

3022
01:43:01,615 --> 01:43:03,584
here when you tell people look, if

3023
01:43:03,584 --> 01:43:06,587
you, you know, do this, that

3024
01:43:06,587 --> 01:43:08,589
and the other we can get the use

3025
01:43:08,589 --> 01:43:09,590
down to then accommodate for this

3026
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:10,591
increase?

3027
01:43:10,591 --> 01:43:12,591
>>

3028
01:43:12,593 --> 01:43:14,595
commissioner, I'm sure there is and I

3029
01:43:14,595 --> 01:43:15,596
know we have a water conservation

3030
01:43:15,596 --> 01:43:17,596
group better

3031
01:43:17,598 --> 01:43:19,600
in touch with that body of work than I

3032
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:21,602
am and that is something we can look

3033
01:43:21,602 --> 01:43:23,604
into with the messaging

3034
01:43:23,604 --> 01:43:24,605
we're doing as we're doing customer

3035
01:43:24,605 --> 01:43:26,605
outreach to

3036
01:43:27,608 --> 01:43:30,611
provide more of those ways to conserve

3037
01:43:30,611 --> 01:43:31,612
water and lower bills and the impact of the

3038
01:43:31,612 --> 01:43:32,613
rate

3039
01:43:32,613 --> 01:43:33,614
increases.

3040
01:43:33,614 --> 01:43:34,615
>> I can think of several

3041
01:43:34,615 --> 01:43:36,615
that

3042
01:43:36,617 --> 01:43:39,586
I do at home with --I was telling

3043
01:43:39,586 --> 01:43:40,587
commissioner wilson no more saint

3044
01:43:40,587 --> 01:43:41,588
augustine grass and I don't have an

3045
01:43:41,588 --> 01:43:44,588
irrigation system. Everybody is like

3046
01:43:45,592 --> 01:43:47,594
are you going to do it? No. I am

3047
01:43:47,594 --> 01:43:48,595
happy to not have that bill. Simple

3048
01:43:48,595 --> 01:43:50,595
thing when watering

3049
01:43:50,597 --> 01:43:54,601
my plants I have no irrigation system I

3050
01:43:54,601 --> 01:43:55,602
have a nozzle on it and so I don't

3051
01:43:55,602 --> 01:43:56,603
waste

3052
01:43:56,603 --> 01:43:57,604
the water in between the plant. I

3053
01:43:57,604 --> 01:43:59,604
think

3054
01:44:00,607 --> 01:44:02,609
we need to help people because they're

3055
01:44:02,609 --> 01:44:03,610
going to suffer and the bills that

3056
01:44:03,610 --> 01:44:04,611
are going up at the grocery

3057
01:44:04,611 --> 01:44:06,613
store and everywhere else is tough

3058
01:44:06,613 --> 01:44:09,616
on our people. I think we

3059
01:44:09,616 --> 01:44:11,585
owe it to them if we're

3060
01:44:11,585 --> 01:44:12,586
going to have to do this, then we

3061
01:44:12,586 --> 01:44:14,586
owe it to

3062
01:44:15,589 --> 01:44:18,592
them to figure out how to

3063
01:44:18,592 --> 01:44:20,592
conserve. Thank you.

3064
01:44:21,595 --> 01:44:23,595
>> thank you. >> all

3065
01:44:23,597 --> 01:44:24,598
right. Commissioner uribe.

3066
01:44:24,598 --> 01:44:25,599
>> so I

3067
01:44:25,599 --> 01:44:27,599
wanted to expand

3068
01:44:27,601 --> 01:44:30,604
on that education part. What we do

3069
01:44:30,604 --> 01:44:32,606
always see is --I'm

3070
01:44:32,606 --> 01:44:33,607
also a victim of ouc, I said that

3071
01:44:33,607 --> 01:44:35,607
out

3072
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:38,612
loud, when we talk about electricity,

3073
01:44:38,612 --> 01:44:39,613
saving electricity all the time, insulating,

3074
01:44:39,613 --> 01:44:41,613
doing all

3075
01:44:41,615 --> 01:44:42,616
these things and we need to be more

3076
01:44:42,616 --> 01:44:44,585
proactive.

3077
01:44:44,585 --> 01:44:45,586
this is a hard wake-up call and I

3078
01:44:45,586 --> 01:44:48,586
think we've all sat here

3079
01:44:48,589 --> 01:44:49,590
and realized we had a great deal for

3080
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:50,591
a

3081
01:44:50,591 --> 01:44:51,592
long time, and I kind of want press

3082
01:44:51,592 --> 01:44:53,992
a little bit more

3083
01:44:54,595 --> 01:44:56,597
on that because I

3084
01:44:56,597 --> 01:44:57,598
think a lot of times educating I bet

3085
01:44:57,598 --> 01:44:59,598
most people don't

3086
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:00,601
realize, I've heard people who have

3087
01:45:00,601 --> 01:45:02,601
ouc like I

3088
01:45:03,604 --> 01:45:06,607
do, how is it our tax and fees are higher

3089
01:45:06,607 --> 01:45:09,610
than what we spend on water. We're

3090
01:45:09,610 --> 01:45:12,613
always saying that. It is much more

3091
01:45:12,613 --> 01:45:13,614
inflated. Do people realize what --

3092
01:45:13,614 --> 01:45:15,614
have

3093
01:45:15,616 --> 01:45:17,584
you analyzed your family and looked

3094
01:45:17,584 --> 01:45:18,585
at educating this is your trend of

3095
01:45:18,585 --> 01:45:20,985
what your family does.

3096
01:45:21,588 --> 01:45:23,590
these are good times, hard times,

3097
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:24,591
to help? It seems like if you're going to

3098
01:45:24,591 --> 01:45:26,591
be a high

3099
01:45:26,593 --> 01:45:27,594
user you're going pay more.

3100
01:45:27,594 --> 01:45:28,595
>> correct.

3101
01:45:28,595 --> 01:45:30,595
>> I

3102
01:45:30,597 --> 01:45:31,598
think a lot of times, that message

3103
01:45:31,598 --> 01:45:33,598
is great

3104
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,603
way for you guys to do some of your

3105
01:45:36,603 --> 01:45:38,605
outreaches to kids, education. Because I

3106
01:45:38,605 --> 01:45:39,606
always guilt my son as he leaves the

3107
01:45:39,606 --> 01:45:41,606
water on when

3108
01:45:42,609 --> 01:45:44,611
he brushes his teeth. So --but I tell

3109
01:45:44,611 --> 01:45:45,612
him differently, he's taking the food for

3110
01:45:45,612 --> 01:45:48,612
the fish away by leaving

3111
01:45:48,615 --> 01:45:51,150
the water on so

3112
01:45:51,585 --> 01:45:54,588
long. But when we talk about --when

3113
01:45:54,588 --> 01:45:57,588
you've talked about getting bids

3114
01:45:57,591 --> 01:45:59,593
and I understand traditionally that

3115
01:45:59,593 --> 01:46:01,595
people always say, you know, whenever

3116
01:46:01,595 --> 01:46:03,597
you look at a government bid

3117
01:46:03,597 --> 01:46:04,598
it's higher than what the private

3118
01:46:04,598 --> 01:46:06,598
market

3119
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,604
is, has your team or a consultant

3120
01:46:10,604 --> 01:46:12,606
looked at what the trend is

3121
01:46:12,606 --> 01:46:15,609
on a private sector as far as public

3122
01:46:15,609 --> 01:46:16,610
contracts and private sector contracts?

3123
01:46:16,610 --> 01:46:18,610
are

3124
01:46:19,613 --> 01:46:20,614
we really in there. Granted I do

3125
01:46:20,614 --> 01:46:22,616
understand that there is a much more

3126
01:46:22,616 --> 01:46:24,585
bond requirement and

3127
01:46:24,585 --> 01:46:25,586
liability and all that, but is there

3128
01:46:25,586 --> 01:46:27,586
a --

3129
01:46:28,589 --> 01:46:29,590
is there a point that people or

3130
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:31,592
bids are taking advantage of the private

3131
01:46:31,592 --> 01:46:32,593
sector versus the public

3132
01:46:32,593 --> 01:46:34,595
sector when it comes to funding? I

3133
01:46:34,595 --> 01:46:36,597
would love for us

3134
01:46:36,597 --> 01:46:37,598
to look at that because it seems that

3135
01:46:37,598 --> 01:46:38,599
we just end up --

3136
01:46:38,599 --> 01:46:40,601
this is coming from a contractor's

3137
01:46:40,601 --> 01:46:41,602
wife,

3138
01:46:41,602 --> 01:46:42,603
that you end up paying more when you

3139
01:46:42,603 --> 01:46:48,603
look at it one way and look at it another.

3140
01:46:52,613 --> 01:46:53,614
we weren't charging for inspections before?

3141
01:46:53,614 --> 01:46:55,616
>> that's correct. >> we never were

3142
01:46:55,616 --> 01:46:56,617
charging?

3143
01:46:56,617 --> 01:46:57,584
>> for that

3144
01:46:57,584 --> 01:46:58,585
program there was not a fee for the

3145
01:46:58,585 --> 01:46:59,586
inspection however there was

3146
01:46:59,586 --> 01:47:01,588
a fee to be part of the program that

3147
01:47:01,588 --> 01:47:03,590
was part of their monthly

3148
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:04,591
bill.

3149
01:47:04,591 --> 01:47:05,592
>> okay. Now I think that's

3150
01:47:05,592 --> 01:47:06,593
good because

3151
01:47:06,593 --> 01:47:07,594
if a lot of time if they're not in

3152
01:47:07,594 --> 01:47:09,596
compliance and we have

3153
01:47:09,596 --> 01:47:10,597
to go back out, certainly I mean there's

3154
01:47:10,597 --> 01:47:12,597
a

3155
01:47:12,599 --> 01:47:13,600
cost to us. We're paying the worker.

3156
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,600
he's not

3157
01:47:15,602 --> 01:47:16,603
going out for free. We're paying the

3158
01:47:16,603 --> 01:47:18,603
workers or should

3159
01:47:19,606 --> 01:47:22,609
be. My last thing is, and you

3160
01:47:22,609 --> 01:47:24,611
all know this, pump stations.

3161
01:47:24,611 --> 01:47:25,612
when doing development, we realize there

3162
01:47:25,612 --> 01:47:26,613
was a

3163
01:47:26,613 --> 01:47:28,615
particular project in my district

3164
01:47:28,615 --> 01:47:30,584
where they

3165
01:47:30,584 --> 01:47:31,585
were going to connect to the big sewage

3166
01:47:31,585 --> 01:47:32,586
and so

3167
01:47:32,586 --> 01:47:34,588
forth and it was going to be more

3168
01:47:34,588 --> 01:47:36,590
cost efficient for them

3169
01:47:36,590 --> 01:47:37,591
and us, but ultimately they weren't

3170
01:47:37,591 --> 01:47:39,593
able to connect to

3171
01:47:39,593 --> 01:47:40,594
obt. What happens is it ended up putting a lot

3172
01:47:40,594 --> 01:47:42,594
of

3173
01:47:43,597 --> 01:47:45,599
pressure on a pump station outdated

3174
01:47:45,599 --> 01:47:46,600
from the '70s or '80s which is being

3175
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,600
done

3176
01:47:48,602 --> 01:47:49,603
because our roads are blocked off,

3177
01:47:49,603 --> 01:47:51,603
but my

3178
01:47:51,605 --> 01:47:55,205
whole point is, financially we end

3179
01:47:55,609 --> 01:47:57,611
up incurring a lot of

3180
01:47:57,611 --> 01:47:58,612
that and how is that analyzed? Is

3181
01:47:58,612 --> 01:48:00,612
there a

3182
01:48:01,615 --> 01:48:04,585
way to analyze in the predevelopmental stage to have

3183
01:48:04,585 --> 01:48:07,585
some accuracy on that? Because

3184
01:48:07,588 --> 01:48:09,590
it ended up being a cost, a burden cost on

3185
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:10,591
the county, much sooner than expected, it

3186
01:48:10,591 --> 01:48:12,591
was on

3187
01:48:13,594 --> 01:48:15,594
the five-year, ten-year

3188
01:48:15,596 --> 01:48:16,597
plan, but because of the amount of

3189
01:48:16,597 --> 01:48:18,597
putting

3190
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,603
in 112 more units to a pump

3191
01:48:22,603 --> 01:48:23,604
station over 30 years old, where did

3192
01:48:23,604 --> 01:48:25,604
that

3193
01:48:25,606 --> 01:48:27,606
cost get absorbed?

3194
01:48:27,608 --> 01:48:28,609
financially, are there times we are

3195
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:31,900
incurring costs that should

3196
01:48:31,612 --> 01:48:34,615
not be our costs or some of

3197
01:48:34,615 --> 01:48:37,584
that costs should be deviated

3198
01:48:37,584 --> 01:48:40,587
to the development being put onto

3199
01:48:40,587 --> 01:48:41,588
us and causing us a lot more cost

3200
01:48:41,588 --> 01:48:42,589
and

3201
01:48:42,589 --> 01:48:45,589
water pump stations and utilities?

3202
01:48:46,593 --> 01:48:48,993
if I could get

3203
01:48:49,596 --> 01:48:51,596
a response?

3204
01:48:52,599 --> 01:48:54,599
>> commissioner, I know

3205
01:48:55,602 --> 01:48:58,605
that that may be a misconception, but

3206
01:48:58,605 --> 01:49:00,605
I think in

3207
01:49:00,607 --> 01:49:01,608
that particular case, in your district there was

3208
01:49:01,608 --> 01:49:03,608
a

3209
01:49:04,611 --> 01:49:06,613
development that connected into an

3210
01:49:06,613 --> 01:49:07,614
existing system, there was a system

3211
01:49:07,614 --> 01:49:08,615
of

3212
01:49:08,615 --> 01:49:10,584
initial capacity in that case and they

3213
01:49:10,584 --> 01:49:12,584
were

3214
01:49:12,586 --> 01:49:13,587
allowed to connect and the rest of

3215
01:49:13,587 --> 01:49:15,587
the infrastructure

3216
01:49:16,590 --> 01:49:18,990
was built out. That

3217
01:49:19,593 --> 01:49:22,593
was not an issue. Pretty

3218
01:49:22,596 --> 01:49:24,596
much development wise

3219
01:49:24,598 --> 01:49:27,598
speaking orange county utilities development

3220
01:49:28,602 --> 01:49:30,604
pays its own way for all of it. They

3221
01:49:30,604 --> 01:49:31,605
pay capital charges with those capital

3222
01:49:31,605 --> 01:49:34,500
charges which are similar

3223
01:49:34,608 --> 01:49:36,608
to impact

3224
01:49:36,610 --> 01:49:37,611
fees, build a water treatment expansion

3225
01:49:37,611 --> 01:49:38,612
and we

3226
01:49:38,612 --> 01:49:40,614
build the infrastructure that they're connecting

3227
01:49:40,614 --> 01:49:42,614
to. For instance,

3228
01:49:43,617 --> 01:49:45,617
a new

3229
01:49:46,587 --> 01:49:47,588
subdivision has to build all of

3230
01:49:47,588 --> 01:49:49,590
the pipelines within the subdivision

3231
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:52,593
like they build the roads and

3232
01:49:52,593 --> 01:49:53,594
build into our standards and we inspect

3233
01:49:53,594 --> 01:49:54,595
those

3234
01:49:54,595 --> 01:49:55,596
pipelines and donate those to us with

3235
01:49:55,596 --> 01:49:57,596
a one-year

3236
01:49:57,598 --> 01:49:58,599
warranty for any repairs or anything

3237
01:49:58,599 --> 01:50:00,601
that has to happen

3238
01:50:00,601 --> 01:50:01,602
during that year after we receive

3239
01:50:01,602 --> 01:50:04,200
them. So then we

3240
01:50:04,605 --> 01:50:06,605
operate those pipelines

3241
01:50:07,608 --> 01:50:08,609
and they also if they have to connect

3242
01:50:08,609 --> 01:50:10,609
to our system

3243
01:50:10,611 --> 01:50:12,611
we evaluate the

3244
01:50:13,614 --> 01:50:15,616
capacity at the connection point

3245
01:50:15,616 --> 01:50:16,617
and unless we have capacity that is

3246
01:50:16,617 --> 01:50:19,170
success capacity at a

3247
01:50:19,586 --> 01:50:20,587
connection point, we do not tell them you

3248
01:50:20,587 --> 01:50:22,587
have to

3249
01:50:22,589 --> 01:50:23,590
extend the pipeline further down sometimes

3250
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:25,590
beyond one

3251
01:50:25,592 --> 01:50:28,595
mile or up to one mile in

3252
01:50:28,595 --> 01:50:30,995
those subdivisions. Places like

3253
01:50:31,598 --> 01:50:33,598
horizon, master

3254
01:50:34,601 --> 01:50:36,601
plan, big

3255
01:50:37,604 --> 01:50:38,605
village, the developer

3256
01:50:38,605 --> 01:50:41,605
build subdivision they would have

3257
01:50:43,610 --> 01:50:44,611
to build not only the pipeline, they

3258
01:50:44,611 --> 01:50:46,611
would

3259
01:50:46,613 --> 01:50:48,615
have to build the pipeline to the

3260
01:50:48,615 --> 01:50:49,616
size of the village size so sometimes

3261
01:50:49,616 --> 01:50:51,616
it's like chicken

3262
01:50:52,586 --> 01:50:53,587
or the egg. One developer wants to

3263
01:50:53,587 --> 01:50:54,588
go

3264
01:50:54,588 --> 01:50:55,589
first, and he doesn't want to build

3265
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:57,989
a mile pipe because

3266
01:50:58,592 --> 01:50:59,593
he has to

3267
01:50:59,593 --> 01:51:01,595
build that full size development so he's

3268
01:51:01,595 --> 01:51:03,595
going to have

3269
01:51:04,598 --> 01:51:06,598
to collaborate

3270
01:51:07,601 --> 01:51:09,603
with the neighbors, among

3271
01:51:09,603 --> 01:51:10,604
themselves three or four or five build

3272
01:51:10,604 --> 01:51:12,606
a larger pipeline or

3273
01:51:12,606 --> 01:51:13,607
the first one because of tunes builds

3274
01:51:13,607 --> 01:51:15,607
a pipeline at

3275
01:51:15,609 --> 01:51:19,613
a higher costs and then the others

3276
01:51:19,613 --> 01:51:20,614
connect to the pipeline. But we don't

3277
01:51:20,614 --> 01:51:22,614
pay for that.

3278
01:51:22,616 --> 01:51:23,617
some cases beyond that when the developer

3279
01:51:23,617 --> 01:51:24,585
is

3280
01:51:24,585 --> 01:51:25,586
building the pipeline at their own

3281
01:51:25,586 --> 01:51:27,586
cost we

3282
01:51:28,589 --> 01:51:29,590
actually come here with development over

3283
01:51:29,590 --> 01:51:31,590
sizing

3284
01:51:31,592 --> 01:51:32,593
agreements and in a way it is us who

3285
01:51:32,593 --> 01:51:34,593
take advantage of

3286
01:51:34,595 --> 01:51:35,596
the developers. They're building a

3287
01:51:35,596 --> 01:51:37,596
12

3288
01:51:37,598 --> 01:51:38,599
inch pipe and we know that down the

3289
01:51:38,599 --> 01:51:40,599
road

3290
01:51:40,601 --> 01:51:41,602
10, 15 years, we need --there's going to

3291
01:51:41,602 --> 01:51:42,603
be

3292
01:51:42,603 --> 01:51:44,605
more development down the road and

3293
01:51:44,605 --> 01:51:46,607
instead of a 12 inch pipe

3294
01:51:46,607 --> 01:51:47,608
put a 16 inch pipe. Doesn't seem like

3295
01:51:47,608 --> 01:51:49,608
much

3296
01:51:49,610 --> 01:51:50,611
but the difference in cost is from

3297
01:51:50,611 --> 01:51:52,611
12

3298
01:51:52,613 --> 01:51:53,614
to 16 the difference in cost is 33%

3299
01:51:53,614 --> 01:51:55,614
because

3300
01:51:55,616 --> 01:51:59,586
it's based on the diameter. The difference

3301
01:51:59,586 --> 01:52:02,589
in capacity is double. So we pay an

3302
01:52:02,589 --> 01:52:04,589
incremental cost of 33%

3303
01:52:05,592 --> 01:52:07,594
and we get double capacity

3304
01:52:07,594 --> 01:52:08,595
in four additional subdivisions or

3305
01:52:08,595 --> 01:52:10,995
things to come down

3306
01:52:11,598 --> 01:52:14,598
the road. Bottom line from

3307
01:52:14,601 --> 01:52:15,602
our

3308
01:52:15,602 --> 01:52:17,604
utility, I can tell you in our case

3309
01:52:17,604 --> 01:52:19,604
development pays

3310
01:52:20,607 --> 01:52:21,608
its own way. It is not this increase

3311
01:52:21,608 --> 01:52:23,610
in my opinion are not due to development.

3312
01:52:23,610 --> 01:52:25,610
we

3313
01:52:25,612 --> 01:52:26,613
just increased our capital charges

3314
01:52:26,613 --> 01:52:28,613
last

3315
01:52:29,616 --> 01:52:31,585
april effective last

3316
01:52:31,585 --> 01:52:35,589
april and I believe the increase is

3317
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:37,589
almost 50%.

3318
01:52:38,592 --> 01:52:39,593
like 40% it went up for development

3319
01:52:39,593 --> 01:52:41,593
to

3320
01:52:41,595 --> 01:52:42,596
pay their own way. Mostly the

3321
01:52:42,596 --> 01:52:44,598
operations that we have because operating

3322
01:52:44,598 --> 01:52:46,598
costs

3323
01:52:47,601 --> 01:52:49,601
went up a

3324
01:52:50,604 --> 01:52:52,606
lot, certain amount of

3325
01:52:52,606 --> 01:52:53,607
money for projects we needed, existing

3326
01:52:53,607 --> 01:52:55,607
customers we serve

3327
01:52:56,610 --> 01:52:57,611
a million people so we need

3328
01:52:57,611 --> 01:52:59,613
additional electriciticle pumps that

3329
01:52:59,613 --> 01:53:01,613
go bad,

3330
01:53:02,616 --> 01:53:03,617
old, we have to repaint the

3331
01:53:03,617 --> 01:53:06,170
tanks, refurbish tanks, refurbish

3332
01:53:08,589 --> 01:53:09,590
all kinds of things. We used to have

3333
01:53:09,590 --> 01:53:11,590
say

3334
01:53:11,592 --> 01:53:12,593
$80 million for projects or $60

3335
01:53:12,593 --> 01:53:14,595
million but as operation costs go

3336
01:53:14,595 --> 01:53:16,595
up, then instead

3337
01:53:17,598 --> 01:53:18,599
of 80 we have 60, then we have 50,

3338
01:53:18,599 --> 01:53:20,599
40.

3339
01:53:20,601 --> 01:53:22,603
we keep going down in the amount

3340
01:53:22,603 --> 01:53:23,604
of money we have left for projects.

3341
01:53:23,604 --> 01:53:26,607
we sill have to let's say

3342
01:53:26,607 --> 01:53:28,607
our

3343
01:53:29,610 --> 01:53:32,100
projects were $80 million. Instead

3344
01:53:32,613 --> 01:53:34,613
of going down

3345
01:53:35,616 --> 01:53:37,584
going 80 to 100 last year,

3346
01:53:37,584 --> 01:53:38,585
$200 million worth of projects, they

3347
01:53:38,585 --> 01:53:39,586
have

3348
01:53:39,586 --> 01:53:43,186
been going on in construction but

3349
01:53:43,590 --> 01:53:44,591
the amount left from the operation

3350
01:53:44,591 --> 01:53:46,591
cost,

3351
01:53:47,594 --> 01:53:50,597
the operation revenues is less and

3352
01:53:50,597 --> 01:53:53,597
less and it's every year

3353
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:56,600
going diminishing that amount whereas

3354
01:53:56,603 --> 01:53:57,604
the projects are

3355
01:53:57,604 --> 01:53:59,606
increasing. Because of that we borrow money

3356
01:53:59,606 --> 01:54:00,607
and we figure okay, we'll pay down

3357
01:54:00,607 --> 01:54:02,607
the

3358
01:54:02,609 --> 01:54:03,610
road when

3359
01:54:03,610 --> 01:54:05,612
we increase the rates. For a while

3360
01:54:05,612 --> 01:54:06,613
not only have to do

3361
01:54:06,613 --> 01:54:08,615
that, we do a little bit of catch-up.

3362
01:54:08,615 --> 01:54:10,615
we

3363
01:54:11,585 --> 01:54:13,985
had the lowest rates

3364
01:54:14,588 --> 01:54:17,591
among counties in florida, the bottom

3365
01:54:17,591 --> 01:54:18,592
3% of counties.

3366
01:54:18,592 --> 01:54:19,593
>> okay.

3367
01:54:19,593 --> 01:54:20,594
I had another follow-up question.

3368
01:54:20,594 --> 01:54:22,594
so you

3369
01:54:23,597 --> 01:54:26,600
put this chart out that gets

3370
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,603
us through 2031. Do you feel that it

3371
01:54:29,603 --> 01:54:30,604
will sustain where we're going? Do we see

3372
01:54:30,604 --> 01:54:31,605
supplies

3373
01:54:31,605 --> 01:54:32,606
and materials have leveled off? When

3374
01:54:32,606 --> 01:54:34,608
you look at the other part

3375
01:54:34,608 --> 01:54:35,609
of construction, things have leveled

3376
01:54:35,609 --> 01:54:37,609
off pretty

3377
01:54:37,611 --> 01:54:38,612
much. There was a time it was growing

3378
01:54:38,612 --> 01:54:41,612
and it seems like it's

3379
01:54:41,615 --> 01:54:44,585
still high, but it doesn't seem like

3380
01:54:44,585 --> 01:54:46,587
it's continuing to increase.

3381
01:54:46,587 --> 01:54:47,588
do you guys feel that we're going

3382
01:54:47,588 --> 01:54:49,588
to --the

3383
01:54:50,591 --> 01:54:52,593
last thing you want to do

3384
01:54:52,593 --> 01:54:53,594
is get to a point where we're back

3385
01:54:53,594 --> 01:54:55,594
in this

3386
01:54:55,596 --> 01:54:56,597
place five years from now.

3387
01:54:56,597 --> 01:54:57,598
>> I think

3388
01:54:57,598 --> 01:54:59,598
construction

3389
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,600
costs like you saw the

3390
01:55:02,603 --> 01:55:04,603
cpi he was

3391
01:55:04,605 --> 01:55:05,606
staying there was a significant inflation in

3392
01:55:05,606 --> 01:55:07,606
the cpi.

3393
01:55:08,609 --> 01:55:11,612
some of that had to do with housing, some

3394
01:55:11,612 --> 01:55:14,615
of that had to do with components of

3395
01:55:14,615 --> 01:55:16,617
the price index, but

3396
01:55:16,617 --> 01:55:17,584
the construction cost was much higher

3397
01:55:17,584 --> 01:55:19,584
than normal inflation.

3398
01:55:20,587 --> 01:55:22,587
>> right. >> if

3399
01:55:23,590 --> 01:55:25,590
you saw 9%

3400
01:55:25,592 --> 01:55:26,593
on the cpi on the construction it

3401
01:55:26,593 --> 01:55:28,593
was a higher

3402
01:55:28,595 --> 01:55:29,596
price. Commissioner moore hit it on

3403
01:55:29,596 --> 01:55:32,599
the nail. There was a lot

3404
01:55:32,599 --> 01:55:33,600
of incentives from the federal government

3405
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,600
a

3406
01:55:35,602 --> 01:55:36,603
lot of those things because of maybe

3407
01:55:36,603 --> 01:55:37,604
post

3408
01:55:37,604 --> 01:55:38,605
pandemic, because there was so many

3409
01:55:38,605 --> 01:55:40,605
projects

3410
01:55:40,607 --> 01:55:41,608
nationwide, here we have housing,

3411
01:55:41,608 --> 01:55:43,608
house prices went

3412
01:55:44,611 --> 01:55:47,614
up a lot, there was all kinds of housing

3413
01:55:47,614 --> 01:55:50,140
construction, there was all

3414
01:55:50,617 --> 01:55:51,585
kinds, and the labor and the materials

3415
01:55:51,585 --> 01:55:53,585
for

3416
01:55:53,587 --> 01:55:54,588
construction went up a lot. That is

3417
01:55:54,588 --> 01:55:56,588
not the

3418
01:55:57,591 --> 01:55:59,593
case anymore, so those increases

3419
01:55:59,593 --> 01:56:00,594
year to year, were much higher in

3420
01:56:00,594 --> 01:56:02,594
the

3421
01:56:03,597 --> 01:56:04,598
last five years than they

3422
01:56:04,598 --> 01:56:06,600
have been in the 20-some years I've

3423
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:09,600
been here at the county.

3424
01:56:09,603 --> 01:56:11,603
we've seen them

3425
01:56:12,606 --> 01:56:15,609
stabilizing now, so I think we

3426
01:56:15,609 --> 01:56:18,612
need to catch up. Those prices

3427
01:56:18,612 --> 01:56:19,613
haven't come down.

3428
01:56:19,613 --> 01:56:20,614
>> my

3429
01:56:20,614 --> 01:56:21,615
question goes back to you're doing

3430
01:56:21,615 --> 01:56:22,616
a

3431
01:56:22,616 --> 01:56:24,585
prediction, asking for reoccurring

3432
01:56:24,585 --> 01:56:26,587
increases over the next

3433
01:56:26,587 --> 01:56:27,588
five years, my biggest question to

3434
01:56:27,588 --> 01:56:28,589
you, by

3435
01:56:28,589 --> 01:56:30,591
making this commitment now, and I

3436
01:56:30,591 --> 01:56:33,594
believe we have to get ahead of

3437
01:56:33,594 --> 01:56:35,594
this, we have 11

3438
01:56:35,596 --> 01:56:36,597
months, yeah, okay. We really have I

3439
01:56:36,597 --> 01:56:38,597
believe this is

3440
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:40,601
a perfect time to really take and

3441
01:56:40,601 --> 01:56:41,602
educate because if you continue your

3442
01:56:41,602 --> 01:56:42,603
trends of using water the way you

3443
01:56:42,603 --> 01:56:44,603
do

3444
01:56:45,606 --> 01:56:47,608
now, one, it's running short, two,

3445
01:56:47,608 --> 01:56:50,611
you're going to see this increase

3446
01:56:50,611 --> 01:56:51,612
hit you in october of 2026. I'm going

3447
01:56:51,612 --> 01:56:52,613
to sign up

3448
01:56:52,613 --> 01:56:54,615
to come out to my community so we

3449
01:56:54,615 --> 01:56:56,617
can start educating and

3450
01:56:56,617 --> 01:56:57,618
learning how to read their bill and

3451
01:56:57,618 --> 01:56:59,586
how they

3452
01:56:59,586 --> 01:57:00,587
can do this. The question goes back

3453
01:57:00,587 --> 01:57:02,589
to five years down the

3454
01:57:02,589 --> 01:57:03,590
road are we back here saying oh, we

3455
01:57:03,590 --> 01:57:05,590
just didn't

3456
01:57:05,592 --> 01:57:06,593
have enough come in so this commitment

3457
01:57:06,593 --> 01:57:08,593
we make

3458
01:57:08,595 --> 01:57:09,596
as a board, will be able to sustain

3459
01:57:09,596 --> 01:57:11,596
and

3460
01:57:11,598 --> 01:57:12,599
help us continue with those costs

3461
01:57:12,599 --> 01:57:13,600
and project

3462
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,602
improvements over the next five or

3463
01:57:15,602 --> 01:57:17,602
ten

3464
01:57:18,605 --> 01:57:19,606
years?

3465
01:57:19,606 --> 01:57:21,606
>>

3466
01:57:21,608 --> 01:57:23,608
that's

3467
01:57:24,611 --> 01:57:26,611
correct. We

3468
01:57:26,613 --> 01:57:27,614
have inflation factors built into the

3469
01:57:27,614 --> 01:57:29,614
model.

3470
01:57:29,616 --> 01:57:30,617
we aren't expecting the costs to remain

3471
01:57:30,617 --> 01:57:31,585
flat. They should

3472
01:57:31,585 --> 01:57:33,587
be sufficient to fund everything for the next

3473
01:57:33,587 --> 01:57:34,588
five years.

3474
01:57:34,588 --> 01:57:36,588
>> okay.

3475
01:57:36,590 --> 01:57:38,592
>> caveat that is your best estimate.

3476
01:57:38,592 --> 01:57:42,596
>> yes. >> I won't be here but you'll

3477
01:57:42,596 --> 01:57:43,597
be here.

3478
01:57:43,597 --> 01:57:44,598
>> yeah. We can never

3479
01:57:44,598 --> 01:57:45,599
say what the world will happen.

3480
01:57:45,599 --> 01:57:46,600
>>

3481
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:47,601
correct.

3482
01:57:47,601 --> 01:57:48,602
>> if it stands

3483
01:57:48,602 --> 01:57:49,603
as we look today, you feel comfortable

3484
01:57:49,603 --> 01:57:50,604
with this?

3485
01:57:50,604 --> 01:57:51,605
>> yes.

3486
01:57:51,605 --> 01:57:52,606
if we get back to a normal

3487
01:57:52,606 --> 01:57:54,608
economy, normal inflation for the

3488
01:57:54,608 --> 01:57:56,610
next five years, this plan

3489
01:57:56,610 --> 01:57:57,611
should be sufficient.

3490
01:57:57,611 --> 01:57:58,612
>> understood.

3491
01:57:58,612 --> 01:57:59,613
thank you. Thanks

3492
01:57:59,613 --> 01:58:00,614
for all the data. I would love to

3493
01:58:00,614 --> 01:58:03,617
see that market rate information just

3494
01:58:03,617 --> 01:58:05,586
to have some knowledge on it would

3495
01:58:05,586 --> 01:58:06,587
be great. Thank you.

3496
01:58:06,587 --> 01:58:08,587
>> commissioner

3497
01:58:09,590 --> 01:58:10,591
semrad.

3498
01:58:10,591 --> 01:58:12,591
>> thank you, mayor.

3499
01:58:12,593 --> 01:58:13,594
I am a little hoarse, so one, I just

3500
01:58:13,594 --> 01:58:14,595
thank you

3501
01:58:14,595 --> 01:58:15,596
to your team. You guys, I always ask

3502
01:58:15,596 --> 01:58:17,598
a bunch of questions

3503
01:58:17,598 --> 01:58:18,599
and you have the answers and I appreciate

3504
01:58:18,599 --> 01:58:20,599
that. Just

3505
01:58:20,601 --> 01:58:21,602
a reminder to the board like how great it

3506
01:58:21,602 --> 01:58:23,602
is to

3507
01:58:24,605 --> 01:58:26,607
have a public asset in

3508
01:58:26,607 --> 01:58:27,608
water, waste water, because [ inaudible ]

3509
01:58:27,608 --> 01:58:29,610
and they pay four

3510
01:58:29,610 --> 01:58:30,611
times the rate of others and their

3511
01:58:30,611 --> 01:58:32,611
sewer system

3512
01:58:32,613 --> 01:58:33,614
is a mess. Those people are begging to

3513
01:58:33,614 --> 01:58:35,614
be in orange

3514
01:58:35,616 --> 01:58:36,617
county utilities. So thank you for

3515
01:58:36,617 --> 01:58:38,585
all that

3516
01:58:38,585 --> 01:58:39,586
you do. I talked to you briefly yesterday

3517
01:58:39,586 --> 01:58:41,986
I'm a little perplexed

3518
01:58:42,589 --> 01:58:45,589
by the model the forecasting

3519
01:58:45,592 --> 01:58:47,594
model of the five-year plan. I understand

3520
01:58:47,594 --> 01:58:48,595
that there was an external factor

3521
01:58:48,595 --> 01:58:50,595
with the

3522
01:58:50,597 --> 01:58:51,598
pandemic, but I --in terms of looking

3523
01:58:51,598 --> 01:58:53,598
forward, because

3524
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:54,601
we know external factors are always

3525
01:58:54,601 --> 01:58:57,100
going to shock a

3526
01:58:59,606 --> 01:59:00,607
model, you know, is there hoy can

3527
01:59:00,607 --> 01:59:02,609
we improve that model?

3528
01:59:02,609 --> 01:59:03,610
do we need to forecast different indexes?

3529
01:59:03,610 --> 01:59:04,611
do

3530
01:59:04,611 --> 01:59:06,613
we need to do different supplies?

3531
01:59:06,613 --> 01:59:08,613
we

3532
01:59:09,616 --> 01:59:10,617
can have a base scenario

3533
01:59:10,617 --> 01:59:12,586
forecast, stress case and the black

3534
01:59:12,586 --> 01:59:14,586
swan the

3535
01:59:14,588 --> 01:59:15,589
pandemic, do we have multiple versions

3536
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:17,589
of models

3537
01:59:18,592 --> 01:59:21,592
to deflect to so that

3538
01:59:21,595 --> 01:59:24,598
we can try to stabilize, you know,

3539
01:59:24,598 --> 01:59:27,601
it's just do we have -- I'm --I just

3540
01:59:27,601 --> 01:59:28,602
don't understand the model.

3541
01:59:28,602 --> 01:59:29,603
>> I will

3542
01:59:29,603 --> 01:59:30,604
defer

3543
01:59:30,604 --> 01:59:32,606
that part of the question to mr.

3544
01:59:32,606 --> 01:59:33,607
burnham to discuss his company's model that

3545
01:59:33,607 --> 01:59:35,607
was

3546
01:59:35,609 --> 01:59:36,610
used for the rates development, but

3547
01:59:36,610 --> 01:59:38,610
before he answers

3548
01:59:39,613 --> 01:59:42,616
that I did want to say

3549
01:59:42,616 --> 01:59:45,586
that we did run several

3550
01:59:45,586 --> 01:59:46,587
scenarios for what it would take to

3551
01:59:46,587 --> 01:59:48,587
meet the

3552
01:59:48,589 --> 01:59:50,591
needs of the utility, looking at

3553
01:59:50,591 --> 01:59:51,592
what those rate increases might be

3554
01:59:51,592 --> 01:59:53,592
and we tried

3555
01:59:54,595 --> 01:59:56,597
not to take the highest, best

3556
01:59:56,597 --> 01:59:57,598
scenario for the utilities, meaning we

3557
01:59:57,598 --> 01:59:59,600
would be flush with cash

3558
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:00,601
and spend it on whatever we wanted.

3559
02:00:00,601 --> 02:00:02,601
we want to

3560
02:00:02,603 --> 02:00:06,203
be sensitive to the community and

3561
02:00:06,607 --> 02:00:07,608
the rates that they have to pay, so

3562
02:00:07,608 --> 02:00:08,609
leading into

3563
02:00:08,609 --> 02:00:09,610
that one of the models we ended up

3564
02:00:09,610 --> 02:00:12,100
going with did not

3565
02:00:12,613 --> 02:00:14,615
have the highest rate increases

3566
02:00:14,615 --> 02:00:15,616
on it, and it does make sure we are

3567
02:00:15,616 --> 02:00:17,616
not

3568
02:00:18,585 --> 02:00:20,587
overcorrecting here by raising the

3569
02:00:20,587 --> 02:00:21,588
rates too much to where we are just

3570
02:00:21,588 --> 02:00:23,588
flush

3571
02:00:24,591 --> 02:00:27,594
with cash. This will be a bit tight

3572
02:00:27,594 --> 02:00:28,595
going through it, as I said so commissioner

3573
02:00:28,595 --> 02:00:30,595
uribe,

3574
02:00:30,597 --> 02:00:31,598
we do have confidence that outside

3575
02:00:31,598 --> 02:00:33,598
of

3576
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:35,602
another black swan event, that the

3577
02:00:35,602 --> 02:00:36,603
inflation factors built in should

3578
02:00:36,603 --> 02:00:38,605
be sufficient to cover

3579
02:00:38,605 --> 02:00:39,606
the rate requirements for the next

3580
02:00:39,606 --> 02:00:41,606
five years.

3581
02:00:42,609 --> 02:00:45,612
but at the same time, we still want to

3582
02:00:45,612 --> 02:00:46,613
be sensitive to our end customers

3583
02:00:46,613 --> 02:00:48,613
and

3584
02:00:48,615 --> 02:00:49,616
not raise the rates too much to the

3585
02:00:49,616 --> 02:00:51,585
effect

3586
02:00:51,585 --> 02:00:52,586
of as mr. Burnham was pointing out

3587
02:00:52,586 --> 02:00:54,586
in his part

3588
02:00:55,589 --> 02:00:56,590
of the presentation, that

3589
02:00:56,590 --> 02:00:58,592
our ultimate goal would be to get

3590
02:00:58,592 --> 02:00:59,593
back over 3. 0

3591
02:00:59,593 --> 02:01:01,595
as a debt service coverage. This rate

3592
02:01:01,595 --> 02:01:02,596
plan

3593
02:01:02,596 --> 02:01:04,598
does not get us there in the five

3594
02:01:04,598 --> 02:01:07,598
years. We have to go

3595
02:01:07,601 --> 02:01:10,604
out one more year to the sixth

3596
02:01:10,604 --> 02:01:12,606
year before we can achieve that.

3597
02:01:12,606 --> 02:01:13,607
we stay above our minimum requirement

3598
02:01:13,607 --> 02:01:15,607
of

3599
02:01:15,609 --> 02:01:18,612
2. 0, which is very good, but it comes

3600
02:01:18,612 --> 02:01:19,613
back to we didn't want to present

3601
02:01:19,613 --> 02:01:20,614
a

3602
02:01:20,614 --> 02:01:21,615
rate plan to the board that would

3603
02:01:21,615 --> 02:01:22,616
be too generous to the utility and

3604
02:01:22,616 --> 02:01:24,616
not

3605
02:01:25,586 --> 02:01:27,986
be sufficiently considering the

3606
02:01:28,589 --> 02:01:30,589
outcomes to

3607
02:01:30,591 --> 02:01:31,592
our community.

3608
02:01:31,592 --> 02:01:32,593
>> and relative to

3609
02:01:32,593 --> 02:01:33,594
your point

3610
02:01:33,594 --> 02:01:34,595
about the modeling and stress tests

3611
02:01:34,595 --> 02:01:37,595
and scenarios and I think

3612
02:01:37,598 --> 02:01:39,600
it also goes back to

3613
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:40,601
commissioner uribe's point. We have

3614
02:01:40,601 --> 02:01:42,601
macro economists that

3615
02:01:42,603 --> 02:01:43,604
do inflation forecasting for operations

3616
02:01:43,604 --> 02:01:45,604
and

3617
02:01:45,606 --> 02:01:46,607
maintenance expenses and construction

3618
02:01:46,607 --> 02:01:47,608
expenses an

3619
02:01:47,608 --> 02:01:48,609
within an 18 month forecast period

3620
02:01:48,609 --> 02:01:49,610
they've got a high accuracy rate.

3621
02:01:49,610 --> 02:01:51,610
the

3622
02:01:51,612 --> 02:01:52,613
inflation assumptions that staff has

3623
02:01:52,613 --> 02:01:53,614
used are based

3624
02:01:53,614 --> 02:01:55,616
on comprehensive growth rates from

3625
02:01:55,616 --> 02:01:57,616
your recent history

3626
02:01:57,618 --> 02:01:58,585
adjusted for known and measurable

3627
02:01:58,585 --> 02:01:59,586
changes and we

3628
02:01:59,586 --> 02:02:01,588
compare that against our forecast

3629
02:02:01,588 --> 02:02:03,590
for inflation that over the near

3630
02:02:03,590 --> 02:02:04,591
term, we feel very confident about

3631
02:02:04,591 --> 02:02:06,591
our ability

3632
02:02:06,593 --> 02:02:07,594
to work within this plan. As you go

3633
02:02:07,594 --> 02:02:09,596
further out in time

3634
02:02:09,596 --> 02:02:10,597
that cone of variability starts to

3635
02:02:10,597 --> 02:02:12,597
widen and so

3636
02:02:12,599 --> 02:02:13,600
that's where we start to look at stress

3637
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:14,601
tests

3638
02:02:14,601 --> 02:02:15,602
and assumptions but where part of

3639
02:02:15,602 --> 02:02:16,603
this comes back to your utility staff

3640
02:02:16,603 --> 02:02:17,604
to

3641
02:02:17,604 --> 02:02:19,606
stay on top of changing conditions

3642
02:02:19,606 --> 02:02:21,606
and monitor

3643
02:02:22,609 --> 02:02:25,609
events no one could have

3644
02:02:25,612 --> 02:02:28,120
predicted the pandemic and

3645
02:02:28,615 --> 02:02:30,617
outcomes. We had to respond to it.

3646
02:02:30,617 --> 02:02:31,585
we qualified data and feel as confident

3647
02:02:31,585 --> 02:02:32,586
as we can for

3648
02:02:32,586 --> 02:02:34,588
our projections for the near term

3649
02:02:34,588 --> 02:02:36,988
used averages for longer

3650
02:02:37,591 --> 02:02:39,593
term assumptions but made sure

3651
02:02:39,593 --> 02:02:40,594
we identified the mechanisms to make

3652
02:02:40,594 --> 02:02:42,594
changes if things

3653
02:02:42,596 --> 02:02:43,597
don't occur as projected. Potentially

3654
02:02:43,597 --> 02:02:45,597
coming back

3655
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:47,601
and the rate plan or

3656
02:02:47,601 --> 02:02:49,603
potentially adjusting your capital spending plan

3657
02:02:49,603 --> 02:02:50,604
or how

3658
02:02:50,604 --> 02:02:52,606
you fund capital or looking at other

3659
02:02:52,606 --> 02:02:55,600
financing or funding mechanisms.

3660
02:02:55,609 --> 02:02:58,612
you have a number of different

3661
02:02:58,612 --> 02:03:01,615
levers you can pull to help

3662
02:03:01,615 --> 02:03:02,616
make sure this financial plan

3663
02:03:02,616 --> 02:03:04,618
meets your bottom line financial requirements.

3664
02:03:04,618 --> 02:03:06,618
the rating agencies

3665
02:03:07,588 --> 02:03:10,591
an investment community loves to see certainty and the

3666
02:03:10,591 --> 02:03:13,591
indications of adopting a five-year

3667
02:03:13,594 --> 02:03:15,594
plan signifies strong

3668
02:03:15,596 --> 02:03:16,597
proactive financial management but

3669
02:03:16,597 --> 02:03:18,599
doesn't mean if things go different

3670
02:03:18,599 --> 02:03:19,600
than projected that you don't have

3671
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:21,602
the ability to come

3672
02:03:21,602 --> 02:03:22,603
back and amend things. I think the

3673
02:03:22,603 --> 02:03:24,603
commitment here is

3674
02:03:25,606 --> 02:03:27,608
trying to adhere to the plan as much

3675
02:03:27,608 --> 02:03:28,609
as reasonably possible, but again

3676
02:03:28,609 --> 02:03:30,609
not precluding

3677
02:03:30,611 --> 02:03:31,612
a conversation to come back if it's

3678
02:03:31,612 --> 02:03:33,612
appropriate to have

3679
02:03:33,614 --> 02:03:34,615
a conversation about adjusting rates

3680
02:03:34,615 --> 02:03:35,616
if things

3681
02:03:35,616 --> 02:03:37,618
occur materially different. In the

3682
02:03:37,618 --> 02:03:38,585
past years where the

3683
02:03:38,585 --> 02:03:40,587
3% indexing we haven't exercised that

3684
02:03:40,587 --> 02:03:43,590
as a utility because we didn't need

3685
02:03:43,590 --> 02:03:44,591
it. This could go both ways. I think

3686
02:03:44,591 --> 02:03:45,592
it's part

3687
02:03:45,592 --> 02:03:46,593
of your financial management practices

3688
02:03:46,593 --> 02:03:47,594
are going

3689
02:03:47,594 --> 02:03:48,595
to mitigate that risk.

3690
02:03:48,595 --> 02:03:49,596
>> I heard

3691
02:03:49,596 --> 02:03:51,596
you say that

3692
02:03:51,598 --> 02:03:52,599
you use averages, but I teach statistics,

3693
02:03:52,599 --> 02:03:54,599
so when

3694
02:03:54,601 --> 02:03:55,602
we use an average we can say a swimming

3695
02:03:55,602 --> 02:03:57,602
pool has an

3696
02:03:58,605 --> 02:03:59,606
average depth of 3. 5, but I might

3697
02:03:59,606 --> 02:04:00,607
jump in the

3698
02:04:00,607 --> 02:04:01,608
part of the pool where I can't swim

3699
02:04:01,608 --> 02:04:03,608
and it's 20 feet

3700
02:04:04,611 --> 02:04:06,613
but the average is this.

3701
02:04:06,613 --> 02:04:07,614
do you do modeling using your terms

3702
02:04:07,614 --> 02:04:09,614
because the year

3703
02:04:10,617 --> 02:04:13,587
of '21, '22 presented much

3704
02:04:13,587 --> 02:04:15,589
different inflationary data, so do

3705
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:16,590
you take into consideration the terms

3706
02:04:16,590 --> 02:04:18,592
to make the model

3707
02:04:18,592 --> 02:04:19,593
more accurate? I don't know how we

3708
02:04:19,593 --> 02:04:21,593
got so

3709
02:04:22,596 --> 02:04:23,597
far off?

3710
02:04:23,597 --> 02:04:25,597
>>

3711
02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:26,600
the conditions and the outcomes in

3712
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:27,601
the

3713
02:04:27,601 --> 02:04:28,602
data measure after the pandemic that

3714
02:04:28,602 --> 02:04:29,603
reflect the supply

3715
02:04:29,603 --> 02:04:31,605
and demand changes as a result of the

3716
02:04:31,605 --> 02:04:33,607
pandemic we took that data with

3717
02:04:33,607 --> 02:04:34,608
grain of salt and looked at what caused

3718
02:04:34,608 --> 02:04:36,608
those variances and

3719
02:04:36,610 --> 02:04:37,611
made sure to normalize those parameters

3720
02:04:37,611 --> 02:04:39,611
when we do

3721
02:04:39,613 --> 02:04:40,614
our regress model. This is getting

3722
02:04:40,614 --> 02:04:42,614
technical, but we

3723
02:04:43,617 --> 02:04:45,586
looked to normalize what are the causes

3724
02:04:45,586 --> 02:04:46,587
and trends that drive those costs

3725
02:04:46,587 --> 02:04:48,589
and predict those drivers

3726
02:04:48,589 --> 02:04:49,590
going forward as a measure of estimating

3727
02:04:49,590 --> 02:04:51,590
those inflation

3728
02:04:52,593 --> 02:04:54,595
factors. We tend to normalize the

3729
02:04:54,595 --> 02:04:55,596
periods with looks even in cash flow

3730
02:04:55,596 --> 02:04:57,596
model

3731
02:04:57,598 --> 02:04:58,599
a normalization period that takes

3732
02:04:58,599 --> 02:05:00,599
out outliers of

3733
02:05:01,602 --> 02:05:04,602
periods that reflect nonstandard or

3734
02:05:04,605 --> 02:05:07,500
atypical conditions to normalize

3735
02:05:07,608 --> 02:05:09,610
those used for forecasting and done

3736
02:05:09,610 --> 02:05:10,611
at a specific level. By category,

3737
02:05:10,611 --> 02:05:12,611
by department,

3738
02:05:12,613 --> 02:05:13,614
and in some cases look at specific

3739
02:05:13,614 --> 02:05:15,614
type

3740
02:05:15,616 --> 02:05:16,617
of expenses like chemicals different

3741
02:05:16,617 --> 02:05:18,585
than labor and other

3742
02:05:18,585 --> 02:05:19,586
components. There's a fair degree

3743
02:05:19,586 --> 02:05:22,586
of analysis done. It's not

3744
02:05:22,589 --> 02:05:24,591
just a simple overall average. It's

3745
02:05:24,591 --> 02:05:25,592
categorical and targeted to line items

3746
02:05:25,592 --> 02:05:28,595
when we look at those trends.

3747
02:05:28,595 --> 02:05:29,596
>> I hear normalizing so smoothing

3748
02:05:29,596 --> 02:05:30,597
the data.

3749
02:05:30,597 --> 02:05:31,598
smooth the behavior --

3750
02:05:31,598 --> 02:05:32,599
>> smooth the

3751
02:05:32,599 --> 02:05:33,600
data,

3752
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:35,602
adjust for known and measurable changes.

3753
02:05:35,602 --> 02:05:37,604
>> when we smooth the data we

3754
02:05:37,604 --> 02:05:39,606
get more errors in the forecast. That's

3755
02:05:39,606 --> 02:05:41,608
what my point is. I think we need

3756
02:05:41,608 --> 02:05:44,800
to --my team and

3757
02:05:44,611 --> 02:05:47,614
I will dig more into that. I had

3758
02:05:47,614 --> 02:05:49,614
another

3759
02:05:50,617 --> 02:05:52,586
question pertaining to

3760
02:05:52,586 --> 02:05:53,587
impact fee. So I hear development

3761
02:05:53,587 --> 02:05:55,587
pays

3762
02:05:56,590 --> 02:05:58,592
for itself today, but there's

3763
02:05:58,592 --> 02:05:59,593
operational costs on those pipes put into

3764
02:05:59,593 --> 02:06:00,594
the ground. And

3765
02:06:00,594 --> 02:06:02,596
so over the course of time, we see

3766
02:06:02,596 --> 02:06:04,598
that those need repair.

3767
02:06:04,598 --> 02:06:05,599
today it pays for the pipes but eventually

3768
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:06,600
there

3769
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:08,602
needs to be improvement. Do we have

3770
02:06:08,602 --> 02:06:11,605
any such model in the industry

3771
02:06:11,605 --> 02:06:14,605
of utilities where we take

3772
02:06:14,608 --> 02:06:16,608
into consideration long-

3773
02:06:16,610 --> 02:06:17,611
term operational costs through the

3774
02:06:17,611 --> 02:06:19,611
developer?

3775
02:06:20,614 --> 02:06:22,616
>> in the practice of

3776
02:06:22,616 --> 02:06:23,617
utilizing capital charges for those

3777
02:06:23,617 --> 02:06:25,586
investments

3778
02:06:25,586 --> 02:06:26,587
they're limited to the capital facilities

3779
02:06:26,587 --> 02:06:28,587
themselves

3780
02:06:28,589 --> 02:06:29,590
whether existing assets previously

3781
02:06:29,590 --> 02:06:30,591
built

3782
02:06:30,591 --> 02:06:32,593
or new assets being constructed and

3783
02:06:32,593 --> 02:06:34,593
the replacement

3784
02:06:34,595 --> 02:06:38,195
of those assets and maintenance of

3785
02:06:38,599 --> 02:06:40,601
no those assets are done through

3786
02:06:40,601 --> 02:06:41,602
rate related mechanisms. There have

3787
02:06:41,602 --> 02:06:43,602
been

3788
02:06:43,604 --> 02:06:44,605
some communities that have availed

3789
02:06:44,605 --> 02:06:46,607
themselves of service availability

3790
02:06:46,607 --> 02:06:47,608
charles that try to capture some of

3791
02:06:47,608 --> 02:06:48,609
the

3792
02:06:48,609 --> 02:06:50,611
maintenance costs of keeping capacity

3793
02:06:50,611 --> 02:06:52,613
in a state of readiness

3794
02:06:52,613 --> 02:06:53,614
for development when it occurs but

3795
02:06:53,614 --> 02:06:55,614
those aren't as

3796
02:06:55,616 --> 02:06:56,617
common in industry practice as are

3797
02:06:56,617 --> 02:06:58,617
the defaults

3798
02:06:59,586 --> 02:07:01,588
of leveraging capacity charges for

3799
02:07:01,588 --> 02:07:02,589
cost of infrastructure and rates for

3800
02:07:02,589 --> 02:07:04,589
recovering costs

3801
02:07:05,592 --> 02:07:06,593
and operating costs.

3802
02:07:06,593 --> 02:07:07,594
>> okay.

3803
02:07:07,594 --> 02:07:08,595
>> predominant industry model. >> I

3804
02:07:08,595 --> 02:07:09,596
will ask my team to

3805
02:07:09,596 --> 02:07:11,598
follow up with you on the information

3806
02:07:11,598 --> 02:07:13,598
of

3807
02:07:14,601 --> 02:07:16,601
those communities.

3808
02:07:16,603 --> 02:07:17,604
and then the other thing I just wanted

3809
02:07:17,604 --> 02:07:19,604
to kind

3810
02:07:20,607 --> 02:07:21,608
of emphasize is,

3811
02:07:21,608 --> 02:07:23,610
when you talk about affordability

3812
02:07:23,610 --> 02:07:25,612
I hear we're the

3813
02:07:25,612 --> 02:07:26,613
lowest but when we talk about cost

3814
02:07:26,613 --> 02:07:28,613
of living that's

3815
02:07:28,615 --> 02:07:29,616
a construct that includes many aspects

3816
02:07:29,616 --> 02:07:31,616
of a

3817
02:07:31,618 --> 02:07:32,586
person's life and what they spend

3818
02:07:32,586 --> 02:07:34,586
their money on.

3819
02:07:35,589 --> 02:07:38,592
I know the utilities is low, but there's

3820
02:07:38,592 --> 02:07:41,595
a lot of other things that are high.

3821
02:07:41,595 --> 02:07:44,598
so it's not in reference to your

3822
02:07:44,598 --> 02:07:46,598
study or this

3823
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:47,601
rate, at some point of the county we

3824
02:07:47,601 --> 02:07:49,601
should do an

3825
02:07:49,603 --> 02:07:50,604
affordability analysis to look at

3826
02:07:50,604 --> 02:07:52,606
what small little we've

3827
02:07:52,606 --> 02:07:53,607
had trash go up, storm water, we've

3828
02:07:53,607 --> 02:07:55,607
had now

3829
02:07:55,609 --> 02:07:56,610
wastewater, reclaimed water and little

3830
02:07:56,610 --> 02:07:58,610
by little,

3831
02:07:59,613 --> 02:08:01,615
things start ticking up

3832
02:08:01,615 --> 02:08:05,215
and orange county becomes less affordable

3833
02:08:05,586 --> 02:08:07,586
for people to

3834
02:08:08,589 --> 02:08:10,589
live

3835
02:08:11,592 --> 02:08:13,592
in. One

3836
02:08:13,594 --> 02:08:14,595
last question. These are in reference to

3837
02:08:14,595 --> 02:08:16,595
the other

3838
02:08:17,598 --> 02:08:20,598
two action items on the

3839
02:08:20,601 --> 02:08:21,602
screen. The

3840
02:08:21,602 --> 02:08:23,602
environmental program reinspection

3841
02:08:23,604 --> 02:08:25,604
fee, I

3842
02:08:25,606 --> 02:08:26,607
worked a lot of years in restaurants.

3843
02:08:26,607 --> 02:08:28,607
grease trap

3844
02:08:29,610 --> 02:08:30,611
does heavy duty damage on sewer lines

3845
02:08:30,611 --> 02:08:32,611
when

3846
02:08:32,613 --> 02:08:35,613
not maintained. I don't think

3847
02:08:35,616 --> 02:08:36,617
that we should be giving grace to, you

3848
02:08:36,617 --> 02:08:38,585
know,

3849
02:08:38,585 --> 02:08:39,586
you go out and get maybe one warning,

3850
02:08:39,586 --> 02:08:41,586
right.

3851
02:08:41,588 --> 02:08:44,591
shouldn't be like one warning a

3852
02:08:44,591 --> 02:08:46,593
year. You get one warning of business

3853
02:08:46,593 --> 02:08:47,594
existence. That's just passing the

3854
02:08:47,594 --> 02:08:49,594
burden

3855
02:08:49,596 --> 02:08:50,597
onto the taxpayer the rate user as

3856
02:08:50,597 --> 02:08:52,599
well. I think that

3857
02:08:52,599 --> 02:08:53,600
we need to be more strict than just

3858
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:55,600
charging for the

3859
02:08:55,602 --> 02:08:56,603
inspection. Yeah, charge for the inspection

3860
02:08:56,603 --> 02:08:58,603
county

3861
02:08:58,605 --> 02:08:59,606
is sending somebody out there to do

3862
02:08:59,606 --> 02:09:01,606
a

3863
02:09:01,608 --> 02:09:04,611
job, but I don't support giving waivers

3864
02:09:04,611 --> 02:09:07,611
to violations particularly when passing

3865
02:09:08,615 --> 02:09:09,616
the buck onto taxpayers.

3866
02:09:09,616 --> 02:09:10,617
>> thank

3867
02:09:10,617 --> 02:09:11,618
you. We discussed this yesterday in

3868
02:09:11,618 --> 02:09:13,618
the briefing and

3869
02:09:14,588 --> 02:09:17,588
we're compiling information for you

3870
02:09:17,591 --> 02:09:20,594
on that. It looks like it is common

3871
02:09:20,594 --> 02:09:23,597
to offer a charge for a

3872
02:09:23,597 --> 02:09:25,997
reinspection and not do

3873
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,603
a fine of a magnitude of

3874
02:09:29,603 --> 02:09:30,604
$500 up front. We'll

3875
02:09:30,604 --> 02:09:32,606
finish getting that information for you.

3876
02:09:32,606 --> 02:09:33,607
>> I get it. It's

3877
02:09:33,607 --> 02:09:35,609
not common but in this condition right

3878
02:09:35,609 --> 02:09:37,609
now, it's

3879
02:09:38,612 --> 02:09:39,613
also not common to raise trash, storm

3880
02:09:39,613 --> 02:09:41,613
water,

3881
02:09:41,615 --> 02:09:43,615
reclaimed water,

3882
02:09:44,618 --> 02:09:45,586
wastewater, you know, it's --there's --

3883
02:09:45,586 --> 02:09:47,586
you

3884
02:09:47,588 --> 02:09:48,589
know, I mean situations change. External

3885
02:09:48,589 --> 02:09:49,590
shocks

3886
02:09:49,590 --> 02:09:50,591
happen and I think that we need to

3887
02:09:50,591 --> 02:09:52,593
be diligent in making

3888
02:09:52,593 --> 02:09:53,594
sure businesses are responsible for

3889
02:09:53,594 --> 02:09:54,595
maintaining their

3890
02:09:54,595 --> 02:09:56,597
pipes, but it's not people picking

3891
02:09:56,597 --> 02:09:58,597
up

3892
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:01,600
that bill.

3893
02:10:01,602 --> 02:10:02,603
thank you.

3894
02:10:02,603 --> 02:10:04,603
>> commissioner gomez corridor.

3895
02:10:08,609 --> 02:10:09,610
--cordero.

3896
02:10:09,610 --> 02:10:11,610
>> thank you.

3897
02:10:11,612 --> 02:10:14,615
for you, your team and all

3898
02:10:14,615 --> 02:10:18,585
the things that you all do, services

3899
02:10:18,585 --> 02:10:20,585
and always available

3900
02:10:21,588 --> 02:10:23,590
to us, you know.

3901
02:10:23,590 --> 02:10:25,592
getting the services to the resident.

3902
02:10:25,592 --> 02:10:27,594
I have three questions, these are

3903
02:10:27,594 --> 02:10:29,596
like straight to the point.

3904
02:10:29,596 --> 02:10:30,597
you know, answer it and then the residents

3905
02:10:30,597 --> 02:10:32,597
will

3906
02:10:32,599 --> 02:10:33,600
know that's what you mean. I just

3907
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:35,600
wanted to

3908
02:10:36,603 --> 02:10:37,604
know, what is the

3909
02:10:37,604 --> 02:10:39,606
overall impact for the average resident of orange

3910
02:10:39,606 --> 02:10:40,607
county. How

3911
02:10:40,607 --> 02:10:42,609
many extra money will they have to

3912
02:10:42,609 --> 02:10:44,609
pay? Is

3913
02:10:44,611 --> 02:10:45,612
that what we have here in slide number

3914
02:10:45,612 --> 02:10:46,613
20?

3915
02:10:46,613 --> 02:10:48,615
>> that's correct. >> okay. >> depending

3916
02:10:48,615 --> 02:10:50,615
on their usage.

3917
02:10:51,618 --> 02:10:52,586
if they use more water and

3918
02:10:52,586 --> 02:10:54,588
wastewater services they will have higher impact.

3919
02:10:54,588 --> 02:10:57,588
overall it's an average of

3920
02:10:57,591 --> 02:10:59,591
5. 2%

3921
02:11:00,594 --> 02:11:03,597
increase per year on the water

3922
02:11:03,597 --> 02:11:05,597
and

3923
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:07,601
wastewater bill.

3924
02:11:07,601 --> 02:11:09,601
>>

3925
02:11:09,603 --> 02:11:12,606
and then if this is approved, it

3926
02:11:12,606 --> 02:11:14,608
will start in october of 2026? Right?

3927
02:11:14,608 --> 02:11:15,609
>> basically yes. In answer to your

3928
02:11:15,609 --> 02:11:17,609
question.

3929
02:11:17,611 --> 02:11:18,612
one point is that what is being asked to

3930
02:11:18,612 --> 02:11:19,613
be

3931
02:11:19,613 --> 02:11:21,615
approved today is just the preliminary

3932
02:11:21,615 --> 02:11:22,616
rates. Nothing will

3933
02:11:22,616 --> 02:11:24,618
happen with today's approval. It's

3934
02:11:24,618 --> 02:11:25,586
only after we

3935
02:11:25,586 --> 02:11:27,588
have the public hearing and we have

3936
02:11:27,588 --> 02:11:30,591
a final approval the rates will

3937
02:11:30,591 --> 02:11:32,593
change. Yes, they will be effective

3938
02:11:32,593 --> 02:11:33,594
october 1st, correct. That's what

3939
02:11:33,594 --> 02:11:35,594
public

3940
02:11:35,596 --> 02:11:38,599
wants to know. Saying that I wanted

3941
02:11:38,599 --> 02:11:39,600
to also ask you, what is the plan

3942
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,600
to explain

3943
02:11:42,603 --> 02:11:43,604
and inform the residents about what's

3944
02:11:43,604 --> 02:11:45,606
going to happen? Because they have --

3945
02:11:45,606 --> 02:11:48,600
I mean there is

3946
02:11:48,609 --> 02:11:51,612
enough time. But, you know, they

3947
02:11:51,612 --> 02:11:53,614
have been a skin here and conscious of

3948
02:11:53,614 --> 02:11:57,214
the wastewater, you know, how the

3949
02:11:57,618 --> 02:12:00,587
misuse of it. How d what is

3950
02:12:00,587 --> 02:12:02,587
the plan?

3951
02:12:03,590 --> 02:12:06,593
what will you do in order to

3952
02:12:06,593 --> 02:12:08,593
continue educating

3953
02:12:09,596 --> 02:12:12,599
our residents to save water and

3954
02:12:12,599 --> 02:12:13,600
be in a better --

3955
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:15,600
>> we have several

3956
02:12:15,602 --> 02:12:18,602
things we commonly do for

3957
02:12:18,605 --> 02:12:19,606
rate increases. When they're not the

3958
02:12:19,606 --> 02:12:21,606
normal

3959
02:12:21,608 --> 02:12:22,609
just 3% indexing. We sent

3960
02:12:22,609 --> 02:12:24,611
out postcards to customers to let

3961
02:12:24,611 --> 02:12:27,614
them know what's going on. There can

3962
02:12:27,614 --> 02:12:29,616
be additional letters and e-

3963
02:12:29,616 --> 02:12:30,617
mails, customer contact for our top

3964
02:12:30,617 --> 02:12:32,617
customers. They

3965
02:12:33,587 --> 02:12:34,588
will be getting the highest increases

3966
02:12:34,588 --> 02:12:36,588
because they

3967
02:12:36,590 --> 02:12:38,590
are our

3968
02:12:39,593 --> 02:12:41,593
highest

3969
02:12:42,596 --> 02:12:44,596
users. We

3970
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:47,599
have notification

3971
02:12:47,601 --> 02:12:48,602
of rates going up and what we've done in

3972
02:12:48,602 --> 02:12:50,604
the past is have

3973
02:12:50,604 --> 02:12:51,605
a dedicated phone number that customers

3974
02:12:51,605 --> 02:12:53,605
can

3975
02:12:53,607 --> 02:12:54,608
call specifically asking questions about

3976
02:12:54,608 --> 02:12:56,608
the rate increase

3977
02:12:57,611 --> 02:12:58,612
and we've also set up a

3978
02:12:58,612 --> 02:13:00,614
bill calculator on the website so

3979
02:13:00,614 --> 02:13:03,617
that a customer can go in and

3980
02:13:03,617 --> 02:13:05,586
type in their usage and see what the

3981
02:13:05,586 --> 02:13:06,587
change in their bill would be. On

3982
02:13:06,587 --> 02:13:09,587
top of that we can

3983
02:13:09,590 --> 02:13:12,593
look into things we've discussed here this

3984
02:13:12,593 --> 02:13:14,593
morning like customer

3985
02:13:14,595 --> 02:13:15,596
outreach for the environmental concerns

3986
02:13:15,596 --> 02:13:17,598
as far as water

3987
02:13:17,598 --> 02:13:18,599
conservation and do more of an educational

3988
02:13:18,599 --> 02:13:20,599
job

3989
02:13:20,601 --> 02:13:21,602
there to help our customers learn

3990
02:13:21,602 --> 02:13:24,200
ways to cut their

3991
02:13:24,605 --> 02:13:26,605
water bill and

3992
02:13:27,608 --> 02:13:28,609
wastewater bill.

3993
02:13:28,609 --> 02:13:29,610
>> I was just thinking

3994
02:13:29,610 --> 02:13:30,611
like, you know, I know you all send

3995
02:13:30,611 --> 02:13:32,611
postcards and e-mails

3996
02:13:32,613 --> 02:13:33,614
and letters and people do boom and

3997
02:13:33,614 --> 02:13:36,617
that costs a lot of money.

3998
02:13:36,617 --> 02:13:38,617
we know that,

3999
02:13:39,586 --> 02:13:41,588
right. I was thinking I think said

4000
02:13:41,588 --> 02:13:42,589
it as well, things that you can come

4001
02:13:42,589 --> 02:13:45,589
and talk to the people,

4002
02:13:45,592 --> 02:13:48,595
people have questions, you can answer

4003
02:13:48,595 --> 02:13:51,598
right there, and how to read a

4004
02:13:51,598 --> 02:13:54,598
bill, which is one that

4005
02:13:54,601 --> 02:13:55,602
commissioner wilson said. Sometimes -- I

4006
02:13:55,602 --> 02:13:56,603
know we

4007
02:13:56,603 --> 02:13:57,604
can go one on one and call and they

4008
02:13:57,604 --> 02:13:59,604
will explain or

4009
02:14:00,607 --> 02:14:01,608
whatever but I'm saying just to, you

4010
02:14:01,608 --> 02:14:03,608
know,

4011
02:14:03,610 --> 02:14:04,611
develop that good relationship with

4012
02:14:04,611 --> 02:14:05,612
the residents in

4013
02:14:05,612 --> 02:14:06,613
the community better because you all

4014
02:14:06,613 --> 02:14:09,613
have a good relationship, I

4015
02:14:09,616 --> 02:14:12,586
just think that we should

4016
02:14:12,586 --> 02:14:15,589
be a little bit more, you know, one-on-one.

4017
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:17,589
I'm just thinking

4018
02:14:17,591 --> 02:14:18,592
postcardpostcard letters --I'm just

4019
02:14:18,592 --> 02:14:19,593
saying.

4020
02:14:19,593 --> 02:14:20,594
>> thank you for

4021
02:14:20,594 --> 02:14:21,595
the suggestions. That's something we

4022
02:14:21,595 --> 02:14:23,595
can workshop and

4023
02:14:24,598 --> 02:14:25,599
look into.

4024
02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:26,600
>>

4025
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:27,601
my last question is, how will other

4026
02:14:27,601 --> 02:14:30,100
counties and cities react

4027
02:14:30,604 --> 02:14:31,605
to price pressure? Are all

4028
02:14:31,605 --> 02:14:33,607
counties expected to increase prices

4029
02:14:33,607 --> 02:14:35,607
soon as well?

4030
02:14:37,611 --> 02:14:38,612
>> as we displayed the

4031
02:14:38,612 --> 02:14:40,614
chart on the screen there are actual

4032
02:14:40,614 --> 02:14:41,615
several that have

4033
02:14:41,615 --> 02:14:43,617
published rates with multiple rate

4034
02:14:43,617 --> 02:14:45,617
increases, multiple years

4035
02:14:46,587 --> 02:14:48,587
of rate increases

4036
02:14:49,590 --> 02:14:50,591
and they are higher than 6%. We

4037
02:14:50,591 --> 02:14:52,593
didn't try to put all of the ones increasing

4038
02:14:52,593 --> 02:14:54,593
on there,

4039
02:14:55,596 --> 02:14:57,996
just the ones hitting 6%

4040
02:14:58,599 --> 02:15:00,599
or higher.

4041
02:15:01,602 --> 02:15:03,602
the rate increase

4042
02:15:03,604 --> 02:15:04,605
is fairly common right now.

4043
02:15:04,605 --> 02:15:05,606
>> as

4044
02:15:05,606 --> 02:15:06,607
I mentioned

4045
02:15:06,607 --> 02:15:09,610
a lot of conversations are about similar

4046
02:15:09,610 --> 02:15:12,100
challenging circumstances about increased

4047
02:15:13,614 --> 02:15:15,614
costs significantly greater

4048
02:15:15,616 --> 02:15:19,586
than what was in the past. Many communities are looking

4049
02:15:19,586 --> 02:15:21,588
at similar levels of rate adjustments.

4050
02:15:21,588 --> 02:15:22,589
I will run back to that slide quickly

4051
02:15:22,589 --> 02:15:24,589
here to give

4052
02:15:24,591 --> 02:15:27,594
you a sense. Hillsborough county they

4053
02:15:27,594 --> 02:15:28,595
have a multiyear ordinance approved

4054
02:15:28,595 --> 02:15:30,595
that

4055
02:15:31,598 --> 02:15:32,599
has a 5% increase plus an inflation

4056
02:15:32,599 --> 02:15:34,601
adjustment and pass through increase

4057
02:15:34,601 --> 02:15:37,100
in purchase water costs.

4058
02:15:37,604 --> 02:15:40,400
so that was a

4059
02:15:40,607 --> 02:15:43,610
proved a few years ago. Toho

4060
02:15:43,610 --> 02:15:45,612
approve 7. 5% for the nexty years

4061
02:15:45,612 --> 02:15:46,613
and 4% thereafter and so as you kind

4062
02:15:46,613 --> 02:15:48,613
of

4063
02:15:48,615 --> 02:15:49,616
look around at other utility systems

4064
02:15:49,616 --> 02:15:52,160
especially ones in high

4065
02:15:52,586 --> 02:15:55,589
growth areas, jea for duval has had

4066
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:57,591
a rate adjustment approached for

4067
02:15:57,591 --> 02:15:58,592
the last two years they're having

4068
02:15:58,592 --> 02:15:59,593
similar

4069
02:15:59,593 --> 02:16:01,595
conversations about similar levels

4070
02:16:01,595 --> 02:16:02,596
of increases because it's not that

4071
02:16:02,596 --> 02:16:04,596
a

4072
02:16:04,598 --> 02:16:06,600
utility is uniquely necessarily incurred

4073
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:07,601
different levels of cost increases.

4074
02:16:07,601 --> 02:16:08,602
we're all

4075
02:16:08,602 --> 02:16:10,604
grappling with the same levels of

4076
02:16:10,604 --> 02:16:12,606
increases in costs and the numbers

4077
02:16:12,606 --> 02:16:13,607
are comparable but not altogether

4078
02:16:13,607 --> 02:16:15,607
different.

4079
02:16:15,609 --> 02:16:16,610
indian river county another example

4080
02:16:16,610 --> 02:16:19,100
last year had to

4081
02:16:19,613 --> 02:16:20,614
do a 20% increase. This year 12% and

4082
02:16:20,614 --> 02:16:22,614
then

4083
02:16:22,616 --> 02:16:24,618
their outlook for 5 to 7.

4084
02:16:24,618 --> 02:16:27,180
5% increases thereafter. These increases

4085
02:16:28,589 --> 02:16:31,592
are very common right now and really

4086
02:16:31,592 --> 02:16:32,593
necessary to maintain utility

4087
02:16:32,593 --> 02:16:34,595
service provision. In today's cost

4088
02:16:34,595 --> 02:16:35,596
environment we're not necessarily

4089
02:16:35,596 --> 02:16:37,598
assuming it's going to continue to

4090
02:16:37,598 --> 02:16:38,599
increase significantly like it

4091
02:16:38,599 --> 02:16:40,601
has in the past, but it's not coming

4092
02:16:40,601 --> 02:16:41,602
down. We have

4093
02:16:41,602 --> 02:16:45,802
to reflect the cost of doing business

4094
02:16:46,607 --> 02:16:47,608
in our paradigm.

4095
02:16:47,608 --> 02:16:49,608
>>

4096
02:16:49,610 --> 02:16:51,610
my last

4097
02:16:52,613 --> 02:16:55,616
question, this is --I think --

4098
02:16:55,616 --> 02:16:57,616
you know that

4099
02:16:57,618 --> 02:16:58,619
also things as commissioner uribe

4100
02:16:58,619 --> 02:17:01,190
said, things sometimes --

4101
02:17:01,588 --> 02:17:03,590
no, it was wilson, that we don't think

4102
02:17:03,590 --> 02:17:04,591
about like when you have a break in

4103
02:17:04,591 --> 02:17:06,991
equipment or you have

4104
02:17:07,594 --> 02:17:09,594
to replace and

4105
02:17:10,597 --> 02:17:12,599
so do you have like those funds, you

4106
02:17:12,599 --> 02:17:13,600
know, separated just for that? If you have

4107
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:14,601
to replace

4108
02:17:14,601 --> 02:17:16,603
something, are you going to buy it

4109
02:17:16,603 --> 02:17:18,603
new? Replation it?

4110
02:17:19,606 --> 02:17:22,600
how do you manage

4111
02:17:22,609 --> 02:17:24,609
with that

4112
02:17:28,615 --> 02:17:29,616
when --

4113
02:17:29,616 --> 02:17:31,618
>> so as far as breaks in the

4114
02:17:31,618 --> 02:17:32,586
equipment or things that need to be

4115
02:17:32,586 --> 02:17:34,586
replaced or

4116
02:17:34,588 --> 02:17:35,589
prepared, when it comes to forecasting

4117
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:37,589
plan

4118
02:17:37,591 --> 02:17:39,991
maintenance, we have budgets

4119
02:17:40,594 --> 02:17:41,595
planned for that and include contingencies.

4120
02:17:41,595 --> 02:17:42,596
we

4121
02:17:42,596 --> 02:17:43,597
never know what's going break and

4122
02:17:43,597 --> 02:17:45,597
need to be

4123
02:17:46,600 --> 02:17:47,601
repaired. We handle most of that in

4124
02:17:47,601 --> 02:17:49,601
our operating

4125
02:17:49,603 --> 02:17:51,605
budget for repairs that come up

4126
02:17:51,605 --> 02:17:52,606
and then for long-term planning that's

4127
02:17:52,606 --> 02:17:55,600
when we look at

4128
02:17:55,609 --> 02:17:58,612
doing things in the cip when a

4129
02:17:58,612 --> 02:18:01,615
portion of the plan, maybe the entire

4130
02:18:01,615 --> 02:18:02,616
plan, needs an overall refurbishment

4131
02:18:02,616 --> 02:18:04,616
where we

4132
02:18:04,618 --> 02:18:07,588
can be proactive about planning those projects

4133
02:18:07,588 --> 02:18:08,589
in advance. Yes,

4134
02:18:08,589 --> 02:18:10,591
carry contingency money in the budget

4135
02:18:10,591 --> 02:18:12,591
and when that

4136
02:18:12,593 --> 02:18:13,594
is not enough for handling some of

4137
02:18:13,594 --> 02:18:15,594
the repairs we

4138
02:18:15,596 --> 02:18:16,597
cut back to make sure we can keep

4139
02:18:16,597 --> 02:18:18,997
the system repaired and

4140
02:18:19,600 --> 02:18:21,600
running and

4141
02:18:22,603 --> 02:18:24,603
in good condition.

4142
02:18:25,606 --> 02:18:27,606
>> thank you.

4143
02:18:28,609 --> 02:18:30,609
>> commissioner scott.

4144
02:18:31,612 --> 02:18:34,120
>> thank you. Going back

4145
02:18:34,615 --> 02:18:35,616
to commissioner

4146
02:18:35,616 --> 02:18:37,618
cordero's question when you talk about

4147
02:18:37,618 --> 02:18:39,586
you forecast, you know, your operational

4148
02:18:39,586 --> 02:18:40,587
repair, are you guys forecasting with

4149
02:18:40,587 --> 02:18:43,587
a specific number of years,

4150
02:18:43,590 --> 02:18:44,591
five years, ten years, or forecasting to

4151
02:18:44,591 --> 02:18:46,591
the equipment life

4152
02:18:46,593 --> 02:18:47,594
cycle?

4153
02:18:47,594 --> 02:18:48,595
>> it's many of it is

4154
02:18:48,595 --> 02:18:49,596
done to the equipment life cycle.

4155
02:18:49,596 --> 02:18:51,596
for

4156
02:18:52,599 --> 02:18:53,600
example, with large pieces of equipment this

4157
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:55,602
is more on the

4158
02:18:55,602 --> 02:18:58,200
solid waste site but

4159
02:18:58,605 --> 02:19:01,608
not in the water waste water system

4160
02:19:01,608 --> 02:19:02,609
as much, but they have a plan to where they

4161
02:19:02,609 --> 02:19:03,610
will

4162
02:19:03,610 --> 02:19:04,611
purchase a piece of equipment, very

4163
02:19:04,611 --> 02:19:06,611
large or expensive,

4164
02:19:07,614 --> 02:19:10,617
hundreds of thousands of dollars for

4165
02:19:10,617 --> 02:19:11,618
the equipment, after a certain amount

4166
02:19:11,618 --> 02:19:12,586
of

4167
02:19:12,586 --> 02:19:14,588
time when it ends the life cycle they

4168
02:19:14,588 --> 02:19:16,588
will plan

4169
02:19:16,590 --> 02:19:18,592
for refurbishment of that equipment to

4170
02:19:18,592 --> 02:19:20,594
be recapitalized and work for another

4171
02:19:20,594 --> 02:19:23,597
five years or so and after

4172
02:19:23,597 --> 02:19:24,598
a certain number of

4173
02:19:24,598 --> 02:19:26,600
refurbishments it would be considered

4174
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:28,602
not worth the repair

4175
02:19:28,602 --> 02:19:29,603
and refurbishment anymore and disposed

4176
02:19:29,603 --> 02:19:31,603
of

4177
02:19:31,605 --> 02:19:32,606
and replaced with new equipment that would

4178
02:19:32,606 --> 02:19:34,606
be

4179
02:19:35,609 --> 02:19:36,610
similar is.

4180
02:19:36,610 --> 02:19:37,611
>> on slide

4181
02:19:37,611 --> 02:19:38,612
28, you were talking about the installation

4182
02:19:38,612 --> 02:19:40,612
at cost. I

4183
02:19:40,614 --> 02:19:41,615
want to make sure I understand what

4184
02:19:41,615 --> 02:19:43,615
you're saying.

4185
02:19:43,617 --> 02:19:44,618
you didn't quantify a dollar amount

4186
02:19:44,618 --> 02:19:45,619
because it

4187
02:19:45,619 --> 02:19:47,588
changes on the scope of work and scale of

4188
02:19:47,588 --> 02:19:49,588
the project, right?

4189
02:19:50,591 --> 02:19:52,593
>> that's correct. And the conditions in the field.

4190
02:19:52,593 --> 02:19:53,594
>> so it's also logistically from

4191
02:19:53,594 --> 02:19:55,594
a time

4192
02:19:55,596 --> 02:19:58,596
management standpoint allows you guys

4193
02:19:58,599 --> 02:19:59,600
greater flexibility not having to

4194
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:01,602
schedule a rate hearing with

4195
02:20:01,602 --> 02:20:02,603
us and go back and forth, right?

4196
02:20:02,603 --> 02:20:03,604
>> that's

4197
02:20:03,604 --> 02:20:05,606
correct. We wouldn't also want to

4198
02:20:05,606 --> 02:20:07,606
put forth

4199
02:20:07,608 --> 02:20:08,609
a generic rate to do the service that would

4200
02:20:08,609 --> 02:20:10,609
be an

4201
02:20:10,611 --> 02:20:11,612
average because in some cases it would

4202
02:20:11,612 --> 02:20:13,614
not cover its cost

4203
02:20:13,614 --> 02:20:14,615
and other cases it would be more over

4204
02:20:14,615 --> 02:20:16,615
recovering

4205
02:20:17,618 --> 02:20:18,619
the costs. So

4206
02:20:18,619 --> 02:20:20,587
the most fair thing to do for the

4207
02:20:20,587 --> 02:20:22,589
developer who is asking us to do this

4208
02:20:22,589 --> 02:20:23,590
work is build them for the cost of

4209
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:25,590
that

4210
02:20:26,593 --> 02:20:27,594
specific project.

4211
02:20:27,594 --> 02:20:28,595
>> so what is

4212
02:20:28,595 --> 02:20:29,596
the contingency if I'm a developer

4213
02:20:29,596 --> 02:20:31,596
of, you

4214
02:20:32,599 --> 02:20:35,602
know, let's just say maybe a two

4215
02:20:35,602 --> 02:20:38,605
or three apartment units, right, and

4216
02:20:38,605 --> 02:20:40,607
then I do not agree with the

4217
02:20:40,607 --> 02:20:41,608
costs that you have provided me and

4218
02:20:41,608 --> 02:20:42,609
maybe I

4219
02:20:42,609 --> 02:20:44,611
might have a reference for what I

4220
02:20:44,611 --> 02:20:46,613
believe is a similar project

4221
02:20:46,613 --> 02:20:47,614
with another developer? How do you

4222
02:20:47,614 --> 02:20:49,614
mitigate that? Come

4223
02:20:49,616 --> 02:20:50,617
back to us or try to negotiate?

4224
02:20:50,617 --> 02:20:51,618
>> we

4225
02:20:51,618 --> 02:20:52,586
would work

4226
02:20:52,586 --> 02:20:53,587
it out with the developer. That wouldn't

4227
02:20:53,587 --> 02:20:55,587
be something we

4228
02:20:56,590 --> 02:20:58,592
need to bring back to the

4229
02:20:58,592 --> 02:20:59,593
board. Basically just to reiterate

4230
02:20:59,593 --> 02:21:01,593
these are not

4231
02:21:01,595 --> 02:21:02,596
common occurrences. It's something

4232
02:21:02,596 --> 02:21:03,597
that occasionally happens. It's

4233
02:21:03,597 --> 02:21:05,599
a responsibility of the developer

4234
02:21:05,599 --> 02:21:07,599
to put

4235
02:21:08,602 --> 02:21:10,604
the lateral in any, so

4236
02:21:10,604 --> 02:21:11,605
it's unusual circumstances they might

4237
02:21:11,605 --> 02:21:13,605
ask our

4238
02:21:14,608 --> 02:21:15,609
field services staff to do it.

4239
02:21:15,609 --> 02:21:17,609
>> okay.

4240
02:21:17,611 --> 02:21:19,611
I'm good.

4241
02:21:20,614 --> 02:21:23,614
>> all right. With that just

4242
02:21:23,617 --> 02:21:25,617
as a

4243
02:21:25,619 --> 02:21:26,587
reminder, we'll be having the public

4244
02:21:26,587 --> 02:21:28,587
hearing

4245
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:31,590
in january 2026. That

4246
02:21:32,593 --> 02:21:35,596
is when we'll take the final action.

4247
02:21:35,596 --> 02:21:37,598
but today, there is a

4248
02:21:37,598 --> 02:21:38,599
requested action on the screen. We

4249
02:21:38,599 --> 02:21:40,599
have a motion

4250
02:21:40,601 --> 02:21:41,602
by mr. Scott.

4251
02:21:41,602 --> 02:21:42,603
>> second. >> second

4252
02:21:42,603 --> 02:21:44,603
by commissioner gomez

4253
02:21:44,605 --> 02:21:47,605
cordero. All in favor let

4254
02:21:47,608 --> 02:21:49,610
it be known saying yea. Yea. Opposed

4255
02:21:49,610 --> 02:21:50,611
no.

4256
02:21:50,611 --> 02:21:51,612
>> if I may real quick should

4257
02:21:51,612 --> 02:21:52,613
be

4258
02:21:52,613 --> 02:21:53,614
approval and execution as opposed

4259
02:21:53,614 --> 02:21:55,614
to what's says

4260
02:21:56,617 --> 02:21:57,618
just approval.

4261
02:21:57,618 --> 02:21:58,619
>> no. I said

4262
02:21:58,619 --> 02:21:59,586
move requested action should cover everything you

4263
02:21:59,586 --> 02:22:00,587
have up there.

4264
02:22:00,587 --> 02:22:01,588
>> that doesn't

4265
02:22:01,588 --> 02:22:02,589
say approval and execution. It just

4266
02:22:02,589 --> 02:22:03,590
says approval.

4267
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:05,590
>> all right.

4268
02:22:05,592 --> 02:22:06,593
approval and execution.

4269
02:22:06,593 --> 02:22:07,594
>> that was on

4270
02:22:07,594 --> 02:22:08,595
our

4271
02:22:08,595 --> 02:22:09,596
end.

4272
02:22:09,596 --> 02:22:10,597
>> approval and? >> execution.

4273
02:22:10,597 --> 02:22:11,598
>>

4274
02:22:11,598 --> 02:22:12,599
it's noted.

4275
02:22:12,599 --> 02:22:14,599
>> move revised requested

4276
02:22:14,601 --> 02:22:15,602
action.

4277
02:22:15,602 --> 02:22:17,604
>> yeah. Go ahead. >> technical

4278
02:22:17,604 --> 02:22:18,605
error. All right. We have the correction.

4279
02:22:18,605 --> 02:22:20,605
all

4280
02:22:20,607 --> 02:22:23,610
in favor let it be known saying yea.

4281
02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:24,611
opposed no. Motion passes and it is

4282
02:22:24,611 --> 02:22:26,611
unanimous.

4283
02:22:26,613 --> 02:22:29,616
all right. Thank you all. We're

4284
02:22:29,616 --> 02:22:30,617
going to move to

4285
02:22:30,617 --> 02:22:32,586
the final item this morning. I'm going

4286
02:22:32,586 --> 02:22:34,586
to

4287
02:22:34,588 --> 02:22:35,589
get this one done and be done before

4288
02:22:35,589 --> 02:22:37,589
noon.

4289
02:22:37,591 --> 02:22:38,592
commissioner wilson.

4290
02:22:38,592 --> 02:22:39,593
>> we got this.

4291
02:22:39,593 --> 02:22:41,593
we can do

4292
02:22:41,595 --> 02:22:43,597
it. I believe in

4293
02:22:43,597 --> 02:22:44,598
us. So very briefly, because that's

4294
02:22:44,598 --> 02:22:46,598
something I have

4295
02:22:47,601 --> 02:22:49,603
to say to myself in order to stay

4296
02:22:49,603 --> 02:22:50,604
brief, this request you all got the

4297
02:22:50,604 --> 02:22:52,604
memo

4298
02:22:53,607 --> 02:22:56,607
it lays out sort of

4299
02:22:56,610 --> 02:22:58,610
a starting point.

4300
02:22:58,612 --> 02:23:01,612
understanding that we have committed

4301
02:23:02,616 --> 02:23:03,617
sewer, we are fulfilling that in ways

4302
02:23:03,617 --> 02:23:05,617
big and

4303
02:23:05,619 --> 02:23:08,589
small. I believe we are looking at

4304
02:23:08,589 --> 02:23:10,989
potentially updated added new

4305
02:23:11,592 --> 02:23:13,594
or opportunities to address micro

4306
02:23:13,594 --> 02:23:14,595
mobility devices and micro mobility

4307
02:23:14,595 --> 02:23:16,595
usage in the

4308
02:23:17,598 --> 02:23:20,598
county, that the timing is

4309
02:23:20,601 --> 02:23:23,601
now. So I believe that

4310
02:23:23,604 --> 02:23:26,604
ebikes, e-scooters, I think anything

4311
02:23:26,607 --> 02:23:28,607
motorized

4312
02:23:29,610 --> 02:23:32,613
you can use on a trail hasn't been contemplated

4313
02:23:32,613 --> 02:23:33,614
in our ordinances. We did do the pilot

4314
02:23:33,614 --> 02:23:35,614
program for

4315
02:23:35,616 --> 02:23:36,617
the vendors several years ago, but

4316
02:23:36,617 --> 02:23:38,617
it

4317
02:23:38,619 --> 02:23:39,586
didn't address the everyday usage

4318
02:23:39,586 --> 02:23:40,587
we're seeing

4319
02:23:40,587 --> 02:23:41,588
from scenarios sort of across the

4320
02:23:41,588 --> 02:23:43,588
county. Basically

4321
02:23:44,591 --> 02:23:47,594
what my ask is, is to get

4322
02:23:47,594 --> 02:23:48,595
your feedback on this and understanding

4323
02:23:48,595 --> 02:23:50,595
and then direction

4324
02:23:50,597 --> 02:23:53,597
for staff understanding this is

4325
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:54,601
a very complex issue and that we need

4326
02:23:54,601 --> 02:23:55,602
to

4327
02:23:55,602 --> 02:23:57,604
get data. We have to start every ordinance

4328
02:23:57,604 --> 02:23:59,604
a good amount

4329
02:23:59,606 --> 02:24:00,607
of data. Having an understanding of

4330
02:24:00,607 --> 02:24:02,607
what's going

4331
02:24:02,609 --> 02:24:04,611
on out there with crashes, hospital

4332
02:24:04,611 --> 02:24:06,613
responses, law enforcement reports.

4333
02:24:06,613 --> 02:24:07,614
I know law enforcement hasn't

4334
02:24:07,614 --> 02:24:09,616
been required to distinguish whether

4335
02:24:09,616 --> 02:24:11,616
a bicycle accident

4336
02:24:11,618 --> 02:24:12,619
was an ebike, but, you know, if there's

4337
02:24:12,619 --> 02:24:14,619
another

4338
02:24:15,589 --> 02:24:17,591
source of data we can

4339
02:24:17,591 --> 02:24:18,592
draw from I believe that it would

4340
02:24:18,592 --> 02:24:20,592
be

4341
02:24:21,595 --> 02:24:24,595
the best for any safety

4342
02:24:24,598 --> 02:24:26,598
measure

4343
02:24:27,601 --> 02:24:29,603
. The where who and what.

4344
02:24:29,603 --> 02:24:30,604
the areas we're hearing the difficulty.

4345
02:24:30,604 --> 02:24:31,605
orange county

4346
02:24:31,605 --> 02:24:33,607
public schools had a discussion about

4347
02:24:33,607 --> 02:24:34,608
the

4348
02:24:34,608 --> 02:24:36,610
usage coming to and from school. I

4349
02:24:36,610 --> 02:24:38,612
will tell you I

4350
02:24:38,612 --> 02:24:39,613
think that there are tremendous mobility

4351
02:24:39,613 --> 02:24:41,613
benefits

4352
02:24:42,616 --> 02:24:43,617
in the usage of

4353
02:24:43,617 --> 02:24:45,619
micromobility devices. Anywhere you

4354
02:24:45,619 --> 02:24:46,587
see kids using micromobility devices

4355
02:24:46,587 --> 02:24:48,589
to get to school they're not sitting

4356
02:24:48,589 --> 02:24:49,590
in a car

4357
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:51,592
by themselves or with one other person

4358
02:24:51,592 --> 02:24:52,593
that gets them

4359
02:24:52,593 --> 02:24:54,595
out of the car line. I don't want

4360
02:24:54,595 --> 02:24:55,596
to inhibit that

4361
02:24:55,596 --> 02:24:57,598
usage. But I think we have to figure

4362
02:24:57,598 --> 02:24:59,600
out how to make

4363
02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:00,601
sure everyone that's out there on

4364
02:25:00,601 --> 02:25:02,601
our

4365
02:25:03,604 --> 02:25:05,604
trails, sidewalks and

4366
02:25:06,607 --> 02:25:09,700
other spaces feels safe.

4367
02:25:09,610 --> 02:25:11,610
so the other

4368
02:25:12,613 --> 02:25:15,130
piece I wanted to

4369
02:25:15,616 --> 02:25:17,616
make sure we

4370
02:25:18,619 --> 02:25:20,587
were looking at

4371
02:25:20,587 --> 02:25:21,588
is the state, several proposals, having an

4372
02:25:21,588 --> 02:25:23,588
understanding

4373
02:25:24,591 --> 02:25:26,991
of where state law

4374
02:25:27,594 --> 02:25:29,594
is, going, and

4375
02:25:29,596 --> 02:25:30,597
hopefully to be able to work in conjunction.

4376
02:25:30,597 --> 02:25:32,597
I know there

4377
02:25:32,599 --> 02:25:33,600
had been discussion about a bill that

4378
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:35,600
required

4379
02:25:35,602 --> 02:25:39,606
a minimum age and minimum speed limit.

4380
02:25:39,606 --> 02:25:42,609
if the state takes that up as

4381
02:25:42,609 --> 02:25:44,611
a preemption I will cheer them

4382
02:25:44,611 --> 02:25:45,612
on. This is a place where preemption

4383
02:25:45,612 --> 02:25:47,612
makes sense,

4384
02:25:47,614 --> 02:25:48,615
minimum age, minimum speed and we

4385
02:25:48,615 --> 02:25:50,615
can, you know,

4386
02:25:51,618 --> 02:25:52,619
help potentially build upon that for whatever other

4387
02:25:52,619 --> 02:25:54,588
safety

4388
02:25:54,588 --> 02:25:56,588
measures might

4389
02:25:57,591 --> 02:25:59,591
be necessary.

4390
02:26:00,594 --> 02:26:02,596
I've heard from people who --

4391
02:26:02,596 --> 02:26:03,597
educational opportunities, something

4392
02:26:03,597 --> 02:26:05,597
ops would

4393
02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:09,603
work through with them. Helmets are, obviously,

4394
02:26:09,603 --> 02:26:11,605
an issue for I believe anybody that

4395
02:26:11,605 --> 02:26:12,606
is on a device and think about the

4396
02:26:12,606 --> 02:26:14,606
speed of

4397
02:26:15,609 --> 02:26:16,610
these devices it makes the most sense that would

4398
02:26:16,610 --> 02:26:17,611
be a

4399
02:26:17,611 --> 02:26:18,612
requirement. I have mixed feelings

4400
02:26:18,612 --> 02:26:20,612
about the

4401
02:26:20,614 --> 02:26:21,615
minimum age thing and I would be curious

4402
02:26:21,615 --> 02:26:23,615
to hear

4403
02:26:23,617 --> 02:26:24,618
your thoughts on it because someone

4404
02:26:24,618 --> 02:26:26,618
with a

4405
02:26:27,588 --> 02:26:30,591
learner's permit to me should be able to

4406
02:26:30,591 --> 02:26:33,594
use a scooter. Should it go 30 miles

4407
02:26:33,594 --> 02:26:34,595
an hour. No. The idea of making sure that

4408
02:26:34,595 --> 02:26:36,595
that

4409
02:26:36,597 --> 02:26:39,597
those modifications that take the

4410
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:40,601
scooters, e-scooters and bikes up

4411
02:26:40,601 --> 02:26:42,601
above

4412
02:26:42,603 --> 02:26:45,606
a certain speed is part of the research

4413
02:26:45,606 --> 02:26:47,606
and consideration.

4414
02:26:48,609 --> 02:26:51,612
but it's really very --as far

4415
02:26:51,612 --> 02:26:54,612
as what types of modifications

4416
02:26:54,615 --> 02:26:57,618
or what kinds of measures we

4417
02:26:57,618 --> 02:26:59,586
could or should take first.

4418
02:26:59,586 --> 02:27:00,587
I understand some research required

4419
02:27:00,587 --> 02:27:03,587
will take a lot of

4420
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:06,590
time. I'm glad to see

4421
02:27:06,593 --> 02:27:08,595
ops representative still in the

4422
02:27:08,595 --> 02:27:09,596
room. I think if you have the ability

4423
02:27:09,596 --> 02:27:11,996
to tap into the

4424
02:27:12,599 --> 02:27:14,599
brilliant people in

4425
02:27:15,602 --> 02:27:18,200
our public works right

4426
02:27:18,605 --> 02:27:20,607
now working on zero emission initiatives

4427
02:27:20,607 --> 02:27:21,608
get them engaged in this we may be

4428
02:27:21,608 --> 02:27:24,611
able to get to some of

4429
02:27:24,611 --> 02:27:27,614
these things soon enough. Whether that

4430
02:27:27,614 --> 02:27:29,614
is educational or

4431
02:27:30,617 --> 02:27:33,587
outreach, whether that is additional

4432
02:27:33,587 --> 02:27:35,589
signage in places we need to have

4433
02:27:35,589 --> 02:27:38,589
some information from staff about

4434
02:27:38,592 --> 02:27:39,593
what, where that would be the most

4435
02:27:39,593 --> 02:27:41,593
beneficial.

4436
02:27:41,595 --> 02:27:42,596
obviously, we would look towards our

4437
02:27:42,596 --> 02:27:43,597
school

4438
02:27:43,597 --> 02:27:45,599
districts, school areas. I know one of

4439
02:27:45,599 --> 02:27:47,599
the frustrations we

4440
02:27:48,602 --> 02:27:51,200
heard this morning from

4441
02:27:51,605 --> 02:27:53,607
somebody who wanted a school zone

4442
02:27:53,607 --> 02:27:54,608
near a high school. There are no high

4443
02:27:54,608 --> 02:27:56,608
schools with school

4444
02:27:57,611 --> 02:27:58,612
zones. They don't get the same designations.

4445
02:27:58,612 --> 02:28:00,612
that

4446
02:28:00,614 --> 02:28:02,616
doesn't mean we can't

4447
02:28:02,616 --> 02:28:03,617
exanother opportunities to provide

4448
02:28:03,617 --> 02:28:05,617
shire visibility better

4449
02:28:05,619 --> 02:28:09,219
crossings and if you're adding something

4450
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:12,590
that's motorized whatever level that

4451
02:28:12,593 --> 02:28:13,594
motorization is, possibility for that to

4452
02:28:13,594 --> 02:28:15,594
be

4453
02:28:15,596 --> 02:28:17,598
safer in and out from a school.

4454
02:28:17,598 --> 02:28:21,602
I want to get feedback from you all

4455
02:28:21,602 --> 02:28:23,602
and potentially

4456
02:28:23,604 --> 02:28:24,605
give direction to staff about what

4457
02:28:24,605 --> 02:28:26,607
we want to see

4458
02:28:26,607 --> 02:28:27,608
come back in research in the next

4459
02:28:27,608 --> 02:28:29,608
steps. Looking

4460
02:28:30,611 --> 02:28:32,611
for opportunities

4461
02:28:33,614 --> 02:28:34,615
in things such as the data behind

4462
02:28:34,615 --> 02:28:36,615
where

4463
02:28:36,617 --> 02:28:37,618
the collisions are happening and what

4464
02:28:37,618 --> 02:28:38,619
we think would help and benefit prevent

4465
02:28:38,619 --> 02:28:41,190
that in the future.

4466
02:28:45,592 --> 02:28:47,594
>> all right. There are

4467
02:28:47,594 --> 02:28:49,596
questions or comments by members of

4468
02:28:49,596 --> 02:28:51,596
the board.

4469
02:28:51,598 --> 02:28:52,599
we'll start with commissioner uribe

4470
02:28:52,599 --> 02:28:54,599
followed

4471
02:28:55,602 --> 02:28:57,602
by commissioner

4472
02:28:57,604 --> 02:29:01,204
scott, gomez cordero, moore and semrad.

4473
02:29:01,608 --> 02:29:02,609
>> commissioner wilson

4474
02:29:02,609 --> 02:29:04,611
you wrote this. I've been talk about

4475
02:29:04,611 --> 02:29:06,613
this for a long time when

4476
02:29:06,613 --> 02:29:10,617
we did the ucf overlay. I've done

4477
02:29:10,617 --> 02:29:12,617
a little research

4478
02:29:12,619 --> 02:29:13,587
on this. I would guess, yes, we need

4479
02:29:13,587 --> 02:29:15,587
to

4480
02:29:15,589 --> 02:29:16,590
move forward. Number one, I'm worried

4481
02:29:16,590 --> 02:29:18,590
there

4482
02:29:18,592 --> 02:29:19,593
may not be a lot of data. I recently

4483
02:29:19,593 --> 02:29:21,593
saw someone

4484
02:29:22,596 --> 02:29:23,597
get hit by a car, but they

4485
02:29:23,597 --> 02:29:25,599
exchanged insurance, the guy gave

4486
02:29:25,599 --> 02:29:27,599
him --and no

4487
02:29:27,601 --> 02:29:28,602
policeman ever came. So I would be

4488
02:29:28,602 --> 02:29:30,602
curious to

4489
02:29:31,605 --> 02:29:34,608
see how that data will come up.

4490
02:29:34,608 --> 02:29:36,610
but ultimately, we --

4491
02:29:36,610 --> 02:29:37,611
enforcement, how do we get --I remember

4492
02:29:37,611 --> 02:29:39,611
when we did

4493
02:29:39,613 --> 02:29:40,614
the golf carts which was was that

4494
02:29:40,614 --> 02:29:42,614
like

4495
02:29:43,617 --> 02:29:45,619
six years ago when we did the

4496
02:29:45,619 --> 02:29:46,587
golf carts, and it's been some time

4497
02:29:46,587 --> 02:29:48,587
and we

4498
02:29:49,590 --> 02:29:50,591
had difficulty getting

4499
02:29:50,591 --> 02:29:52,593
enforcement and law enforcement to

4500
02:29:52,593 --> 02:29:54,993
take on something else

4501
02:29:55,596 --> 02:29:57,598
like golf carts that are very

4502
02:29:57,598 --> 02:30:00,598
predominant now in our neighborhoods.

4503
02:30:00,601 --> 02:30:01,602
I believe that if we don't get enforcement

4504
02:30:01,602 --> 02:30:02,603
these

4505
02:30:02,603 --> 02:30:04,605
great intentions go nowhere. Of course

4506
02:30:04,605 --> 02:30:06,605
that starts

4507
02:30:06,607 --> 02:30:07,608
with parents and children and so forth.

4508
02:30:07,608 --> 02:30:10,800
when you talk about

4509
02:30:10,611 --> 02:30:13,611
speed, obviously, a maximum speed

4510
02:30:13,614 --> 02:30:15,616
and I would love for us to look at

4511
02:30:15,616 --> 02:30:16,617
other cities and states around the

4512
02:30:16,617 --> 02:30:18,617
country doing something

4513
02:30:19,620 --> 02:30:22,589
like this. I was recently in

4514
02:30:22,589 --> 02:30:24,591
miami for a florence and

4515
02:30:24,591 --> 02:30:25,592
was stunned that the scooters are

4516
02:30:25,592 --> 02:30:27,592
on

4517
02:30:27,594 --> 02:30:28,595
roads with cars and they act like

4518
02:30:28,595 --> 02:30:30,597
they're in a vehicle

4519
02:30:30,597 --> 02:30:31,598
the way they ride their scooter. I

4520
02:30:31,598 --> 02:30:33,598
was terrified. With

4521
02:30:34,601 --> 02:30:35,602
no helmets. In business clothes, I mean this

4522
02:30:35,602 --> 02:30:37,602
is

4523
02:30:37,604 --> 02:30:40,400
how people get aroundaround

4524
02:30:40,607 --> 02:30:41,608
miami because of the amount of

4525
02:30:41,608 --> 02:30:43,610
traffic but I was almost terrified for

4526
02:30:43,610 --> 02:30:45,610
the people I

4527
02:30:45,612 --> 02:30:48,615
had to go around who are just driving

4528
02:30:48,615 --> 02:30:49,616
these scooters like they're a car.

4529
02:30:49,616 --> 02:30:51,616
there's a lot

4530
02:30:52,619 --> 02:30:54,619
of mindset about

4531
02:30:55,589 --> 02:30:57,589
that. I do

4532
02:30:58,592 --> 02:31:00,594
worry that younger people,

4533
02:31:00,594 --> 02:31:01,595
right, so they don't think it can

4534
02:31:01,595 --> 02:31:04,595
happen to them and it

4535
02:31:04,598 --> 02:31:06,600
would be nice to see some sort

4536
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:07,601
of structure but ultimately if we

4537
02:31:07,601 --> 02:31:09,601
can't

4538
02:31:10,604 --> 02:31:13,607
enforce it or cause machines to have

4539
02:31:13,607 --> 02:31:14,608
a maximum speed, we're kind of like

4540
02:31:14,608 --> 02:31:15,609
great

4541
02:31:15,609 --> 02:31:16,610
intended leaders but not able to do

4542
02:31:16,610 --> 02:31:18,612
anything. I would love to

4543
02:31:18,612 --> 02:31:19,613
see something like that happen. Again, I

4544
02:31:19,613 --> 02:31:21,613
would love

4545
02:31:21,615 --> 02:31:22,616
the legislature to take the lead on

4546
02:31:22,616 --> 02:31:23,617
this so it could be

4547
02:31:23,617 --> 02:31:25,619
statewide as opposed to you can do

4548
02:31:25,619 --> 02:31:27,619
it

4549
02:31:28,589 --> 02:31:31,592
in oceola but can't do it in

4550
02:31:31,592 --> 02:31:32,593
orange. Lastly I have a big issue

4551
02:31:32,593 --> 02:31:33,594
with

4552
02:31:33,594 --> 02:31:34,595
the school zones and high schools and

4553
02:31:34,595 --> 02:31:37,598
not to put a lot of pressure on

4554
02:31:37,598 --> 02:31:40,601
ocps who is here, I had

4555
02:31:40,601 --> 02:31:42,603
a student die at 16 at roque

4556
02:31:42,603 --> 02:31:43,604
ridge and we learned the hard way there

4557
02:31:43,604 --> 02:31:45,604
was

4558
02:31:45,606 --> 02:31:46,607
none. I will give credit to orange

4559
02:31:46,607 --> 02:31:48,607
county putting up

4560
02:31:48,609 --> 02:31:49,610
the beacon with the speed and got

4561
02:31:49,610 --> 02:31:52,610
hit by a car and

4562
02:31:52,613 --> 02:31:55,613
we had to get it

4563
02:31:55,616 --> 02:31:58,619
replaced. But they are the ones

4564
02:31:58,619 --> 02:32:00,587
that walk a lot because busses are

4565
02:32:00,587 --> 02:32:01,588
harder to maneuver kids in high school

4566
02:32:01,588 --> 02:32:03,588
than

4567
02:32:04,591 --> 02:32:07,591
in elementary school, much more

4568
02:32:07,594 --> 02:32:08,595
compact and kids are going to magnet

4569
02:32:08,595 --> 02:32:09,596
programs and going to

4570
02:32:09,596 --> 02:32:10,597
schools not necessarily in their jurisdiction.

4571
02:32:10,597 --> 02:32:12,597
I

4572
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:16,603
didn't realize how much that's changed and commissioner

4573
02:32:16,603 --> 02:32:18,605
moore you'll realize this, I was

4574
02:32:18,605 --> 02:32:19,606
watching peanuts the movie and the

4575
02:32:19,606 --> 02:32:22,609
kids would go outside and play

4576
02:32:22,609 --> 02:32:25,609
with the kids from school

4577
02:32:25,612 --> 02:32:28,615
and my son said man I

4578
02:32:28,615 --> 02:32:29,616
wished I lived near kids who went

4579
02:32:29,616 --> 02:32:31,616
to my school.

4580
02:32:31,618 --> 02:32:34,588
that's no longer. We see

4581
02:32:34,588 --> 02:32:37,591
kids walking bikes and more. We should

4582
02:32:37,591 --> 02:32:39,593
really look at high schools

4583
02:32:39,593 --> 02:32:40,594
becoming the high schools being a

4584
02:32:40,594 --> 02:32:42,594
zone because you

4585
02:32:43,597 --> 02:32:46,600
have a major school olympia, I have

4586
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:47,601
a major score school oak ridge, and we

4587
02:32:47,601 --> 02:32:48,602
have a

4588
02:32:48,602 --> 02:32:49,603
ton that are growing and we don't

4589
02:32:49,603 --> 02:32:51,603
want to see

4590
02:32:52,606 --> 02:32:55,600
a fatality or injury.

4591
02:32:55,609 --> 02:32:57,611
>> really the latest information,

4592
02:32:57,611 --> 02:32:58,612
this sort of bubbled up in my district

4593
02:32:58,612 --> 02:33:00,612
at horizon

4594
02:33:00,614 --> 02:33:01,615
which interestingly the design there

4595
02:33:01,615 --> 02:33:03,615
was to allow

4596
02:33:04,618 --> 02:33:05,619
more people to be able to bike and

4597
02:33:05,619 --> 02:33:07,588
walk to

4598
02:33:07,588 --> 02:33:08,589
school because every village has its

4599
02:33:08,589 --> 02:33:10,589
own school

4600
02:33:10,591 --> 02:33:11,592
structure, but we know how this works.

4601
02:33:11,592 --> 02:33:12,593
particularly

4602
02:33:12,593 --> 02:33:13,594
in a rush and high school students

4603
02:33:13,594 --> 02:33:16,594
so they try to get

4604
02:33:16,597 --> 02:33:17,598
there as fast as they can. It's dark

4605
02:33:17,598 --> 02:33:19,598
often in

4606
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:22,603
the morning. The safety thing is paramount.

4607
02:33:22,603 --> 02:33:23,604
I think interestingly so that you're

4608
02:33:23,604 --> 02:33:25,604
like went

4609
02:33:25,606 --> 02:33:26,607
down my checklist of the same sort of

4610
02:33:26,607 --> 02:33:27,608
things

4611
02:33:27,608 --> 02:33:29,610
I felt like were important which included

4612
02:33:29,610 --> 02:33:31,610
that rules on

4613
02:33:31,612 --> 02:33:32,613
riding them on sidewalks versus streets

4614
02:33:32,613 --> 02:33:34,613
for

4615
02:33:34,615 --> 02:33:37,150
these motorized devices, education

4616
02:33:37,618 --> 02:33:39,620
and signage are things we can tackle.

4617
02:33:39,620 --> 02:33:41,588
>> my last thing maybe we can roll

4618
02:33:41,588 --> 02:33:43,588
in

4619
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:44,591
dot because they tend to have pedestrian

4620
02:33:44,591 --> 02:33:46,593
with the vision zero

4621
02:33:46,593 --> 02:33:47,594
and instead of waiting for someone

4622
02:33:47,594 --> 02:33:48,595
to do home rule maybe we

4623
02:33:48,595 --> 02:33:50,597
could advocate and I would be happy

4624
02:33:50,597 --> 02:33:51,598
to gets somebody to put

4625
02:33:51,598 --> 02:33:53,600
in legislation that would help us

4626
02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:54,601
make this a

4627
02:33:54,601 --> 02:33:56,603
state issue and no more fatalities

4628
02:33:56,603 --> 02:33:58,605
because of this. I

4629
02:33:58,605 --> 02:33:59,606
think it's great. Thank you. Good

4630
02:33:59,606 --> 02:34:01,606
job.

4631
02:34:02,609 --> 02:34:04,609
>> commissioner scott. >> thank

4632
02:34:05,612 --> 02:34:08,612
you, mayor. Thank you, commissioner

4633
02:34:08,615 --> 02:34:09,616
wilson for this topic. I

4634
02:34:09,616 --> 02:34:11,618
agree with what you say as it relates

4635
02:34:11,618 --> 02:34:13,587
to safeguards

4636
02:34:13,587 --> 02:34:14,588
around other high school students,

4637
02:34:14,588 --> 02:34:15,589
more

4638
02:34:15,589 --> 02:34:17,591
so because we have crossing guards

4639
02:34:17,591 --> 02:34:19,591
and school

4640
02:34:20,594 --> 02:34:21,595
busses for our younger people,

4641
02:34:21,595 --> 02:34:23,597
but when you talk about the high school

4642
02:34:23,597 --> 02:34:24,598
students no one is

4643
02:34:24,598 --> 02:34:26,600
looking out for them even when they

4644
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:28,602
should be looking out for

4645
02:34:28,602 --> 02:34:29,603
themselves. Kids have the headphones

4646
02:34:29,603 --> 02:34:32,603
on or on their phones

4647
02:34:32,606 --> 02:34:34,608
or do both and then boom you get

4648
02:34:34,608 --> 02:34:35,609
in a car accident. Just one thing

4649
02:34:35,609 --> 02:34:37,611
I wanted to share with

4650
02:34:37,611 --> 02:34:38,612
you, I don't know how we're able to

4651
02:34:38,612 --> 02:34:40,612
do

4652
02:34:41,615 --> 02:34:44,615
this here locally, but I

4653
02:34:44,618 --> 02:34:45,619
think figuring out ways that

4654
02:34:45,619 --> 02:34:47,588
we partner with the school district

4655
02:34:47,588 --> 02:34:49,590
to provide education on the short

4656
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:50,591
term and looking more long term what would

4657
02:34:50,591 --> 02:34:52,591
we

4658
02:34:53,594 --> 02:34:54,595
do from an

4659
02:34:54,595 --> 02:34:56,597
advocacy level, perhaps something

4660
02:34:56,597 --> 02:34:58,597
with --for

4661
02:34:58,599 --> 02:34:59,600
children in terms of the speed these

4662
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:00,601
kids

4663
02:35:00,601 --> 02:35:02,603
can jail break the scooters. I don't know

4664
02:35:02,603 --> 02:35:04,603
how they do

4665
02:35:04,605 --> 02:35:05,606
it. It takes like five minutes. They

4666
02:35:05,606 --> 02:35:07,606
take off any

4667
02:35:07,608 --> 02:35:08,609
speed safe guards and get them toes

4668
02:35:08,609 --> 02:35:10,609
go a fast

4669
02:35:10,611 --> 02:35:11,612
as 40 miles per hour. These are kids

4670
02:35:11,612 --> 02:35:13,612
right here.

4671
02:35:13,614 --> 02:35:17,618
how does it go so fast. That's easy.

4672
02:35:17,618 --> 02:35:20,587
dah-dah-dah. Boom, took off. Okay.

4673
02:35:20,587 --> 02:35:21,588
I thought they were set at 10 or 15

4674
02:35:21,588 --> 02:35:23,590
but they're able to do technology

4675
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:25,592
and make them go

4676
02:35:25,592 --> 02:35:26,593
way faster than they should be. Thank

4677
02:35:26,593 --> 02:35:28,593
you for

4678
02:35:29,596 --> 02:35:30,597
bringing up the topic and look forward

4679
02:35:30,597 --> 02:35:31,598
to

4680
02:35:31,598 --> 02:35:32,599
whatever solution staff comes up with.

4681
02:35:32,599 --> 02:35:34,999
when I say short

4682
02:35:35,602 --> 02:35:36,603
term, maybe six months to a year, we

4683
02:35:36,603 --> 02:35:38,605
can figure out how we through our

4684
02:35:38,605 --> 02:35:39,606
children and family

4685
02:35:39,606 --> 02:35:41,608
services departments, citizens commission

4686
02:35:41,608 --> 02:35:44,800
for children with our

4687
02:35:44,611 --> 02:35:45,612
partners, develop some type of educational

4688
02:35:45,612 --> 02:35:46,613
program

4689
02:35:46,613 --> 02:35:47,614
either directly with our staff through

4690
02:35:47,614 --> 02:35:49,614
partners or

4691
02:35:49,616 --> 02:35:50,617
in conjunction and talk wit the kids.

4692
02:35:50,617 --> 02:35:52,617
they

4693
02:35:52,619 --> 02:35:53,587
ignore the signage. Have one ear out.

4694
02:35:53,587 --> 02:35:55,587
what we can

4695
02:35:56,590 --> 02:35:57,591
do to actively engage these kids when they

4696
02:35:57,591 --> 02:35:58,592
are

4697
02:35:58,592 --> 02:35:59,593
going to school in the scooters in

4698
02:35:59,593 --> 02:36:02,596
the wee hours of the morning they

4699
02:36:02,596 --> 02:36:04,598
know to slow down and look and cross

4700
02:36:04,598 --> 02:36:05,599
the street. Things that we remember.

4701
02:36:05,599 --> 02:36:07,599
look

4702
02:36:07,601 --> 02:36:08,602
twice and cross. Walk your bike across

4703
02:36:08,602 --> 02:36:09,603
the street.

4704
02:36:09,603 --> 02:36:11,605
all those things we remember growing

4705
02:36:11,605 --> 02:36:13,605
up.

4706
02:36:14,608 --> 02:36:15,609
thank you for the topic.

4707
02:36:15,609 --> 02:36:17,609
>> commissioner

4708
02:36:17,611 --> 02:36:18,612
gomez cordero.

4709
02:36:18,612 --> 02:36:20,614
>> thank you. I wanted

4710
02:36:20,614 --> 02:36:23,617
to say commissioner that one of my

4711
02:36:23,617 --> 02:36:24,618
initiatives, because it happens in

4712
02:36:24,618 --> 02:36:26,618
my

4713
02:36:26,620 --> 02:36:28,620
district a lot,

4714
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:32,590
boulevard, is the kids, you

4715
02:36:32,593 --> 02:36:34,595
know, riding the scooter to school

4716
02:36:34,595 --> 02:36:35,596
and so on, sometimes they are distracted,

4717
02:36:35,596 --> 02:36:37,996
they hit the car

4718
02:36:38,599 --> 02:36:39,600
or the car hits them. It happens a

4719
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:40,601
lot.

4720
02:36:40,601 --> 02:36:41,602
what I did I didn't wait for anything.

4721
02:36:41,602 --> 02:36:43,602
I called

4722
02:36:43,604 --> 02:36:44,605
public works. I called metro plan.

4723
02:36:44,605 --> 02:36:46,605
I

4724
02:36:47,608 --> 02:36:49,608
called ebike.

4725
02:36:50,611 --> 02:36:52,613
I call the school member and so --

4726
02:36:52,613 --> 02:36:53,614
residents very concerned about it

4727
02:36:53,614 --> 02:36:55,614
and

4728
02:36:56,617 --> 02:36:57,618
now we coordinating the campaign,

4729
02:36:57,618 --> 02:36:59,618
but in

4730
02:36:59,620 --> 02:37:02,589
that area. To see how we can alleviate

4731
02:37:02,589 --> 02:37:03,590
but also educate especially the parents

4732
02:37:03,590 --> 02:37:05,590
because

4733
02:37:05,592 --> 02:37:06,593
the parents buy a scooter like commissioner

4734
02:37:06,593 --> 02:37:08,593
said,

4735
02:37:08,595 --> 02:37:11,598
here you go. Go to school. No instruction,

4736
02:37:11,598 --> 02:37:12,599
no direction, no nothing. And then

4737
02:37:12,599 --> 02:37:13,600
they

4738
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:14,601
just, you know.

4739
02:37:14,601 --> 02:37:15,602
>> one of the things

4740
02:37:15,602 --> 02:37:17,602
I wanted to

4741
02:37:17,604 --> 02:37:18,605
ask, did you all ever discuss a registration.

4742
02:37:18,605 --> 02:37:20,607
that was one of

4743
02:37:20,607 --> 02:37:21,608
the things that came up in some of

4744
02:37:21,608 --> 02:37:23,608
the

4745
02:37:23,610 --> 02:37:25,610
conversations with residents

4746
02:37:25,612 --> 02:37:26,613
should there be a registration where

4747
02:37:26,613 --> 02:37:28,613
you fill out

4748
02:37:29,616 --> 02:37:31,616
who thor on

4749
02:37:32,619 --> 02:37:33,587
is, the person operating it and your

4750
02:37:33,587 --> 02:37:34,588
device gets a

4751
02:37:34,588 --> 02:37:36,590
sticker to indicate registration.

4752
02:37:36,590 --> 02:37:37,591
did you talk

4753
02:37:37,591 --> 02:37:38,592
about that?

4754
02:37:38,592 --> 02:37:39,593
>> no, we haven't talked

4755
02:37:39,593 --> 02:37:41,595
about that. I think that would

4756
02:37:41,595 --> 02:37:42,596
be through the school right?

4757
02:37:42,596 --> 02:37:43,597
>> no.

4758
02:37:43,597 --> 02:37:45,599
I don't know. I don't know this is --

4759
02:37:45,599 --> 02:37:47,601
this is why we need help.

4760
02:37:47,601 --> 02:37:49,603
I was going to say why we would need

4761
02:37:49,603 --> 02:37:51,605
help getting that information what things

4762
02:37:51,605 --> 02:37:52,606
fall into

4763
02:37:52,606 --> 02:37:54,608
which jurisdiction. The other with

4764
02:37:54,608 --> 02:37:56,610
an educational campaign we would

4765
02:37:56,610 --> 02:37:58,612
have to work with our partners at

4766
02:37:58,612 --> 02:38:00,614
ocps. Understanding better what you're

4767
02:38:00,614 --> 02:38:03,614
hearing in your community is

4768
02:38:03,617 --> 02:38:05,617
really

4769
02:38:06,620 --> 02:38:07,588
helpful.

4770
02:38:07,588 --> 02:38:09,588
>>

4771
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:10,591
yeah.

4772
02:38:10,591 --> 02:38:11,592
>> commissioner moore.

4773
02:38:11,592 --> 02:38:12,593
to add to some of the things you've

4774
02:38:12,593 --> 02:38:14,593
already brought up

4775
02:38:14,595 --> 02:38:15,596
it's massive conversation. I went

4776
02:38:15,596 --> 02:38:16,597
to a

4777
02:38:16,597 --> 02:38:18,599
bike walk conference in winter garden

4778
02:38:18,599 --> 02:38:20,601
couldn't go this year

4779
02:38:20,601 --> 02:38:21,602
and what I was stunned about was that some of

4780
02:38:21,602 --> 02:38:23,602
the state

4781
02:38:24,605 --> 02:38:25,606
laws are not even there to

4782
02:38:25,606 --> 02:38:27,608
protect cyclists when they're hit.

4783
02:38:27,608 --> 02:38:29,608
so

4784
02:38:30,611 --> 02:38:31,612
they can't put a claim on

4785
02:38:31,612 --> 02:38:34,612
the insurance, the car insurance,

4786
02:38:34,615 --> 02:38:36,617
the auto insurance, for any offer

4787
02:38:36,617 --> 02:38:38,619
that medical bills. It has to

4788
02:38:38,619 --> 02:38:39,620
go back on their own personal insurance.

4789
02:38:39,620 --> 02:38:41,588
that

4790
02:38:41,588 --> 02:38:42,589
is something that really has to be

4791
02:38:42,589 --> 02:38:44,589
addressed

4792
02:38:44,591 --> 02:38:45,592
as well and it's a state issue. This

4793
02:38:45,592 --> 02:38:47,592
is not

4794
02:38:47,594 --> 02:38:51,598
at our jurisdiction. I remember back it

4795
02:38:51,598 --> 02:38:53,600
was probably around 2012 I

4796
02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:56,603
was on the school board that it was

4797
02:38:56,603 --> 02:38:57,604
haled as the best advent ever that

4798
02:38:57,604 --> 02:38:59,604
driver's education was

4799
02:38:59,606 --> 02:39:00,607
taken away from the schools and given to

4800
02:39:00,607 --> 02:39:02,607
the safety

4801
02:39:03,610 --> 02:39:05,610
council.

4802
02:39:05,612 --> 02:39:06,613
well, I don't think it was. Because

4803
02:39:06,613 --> 02:39:08,613
now when you

4804
02:39:08,615 --> 02:39:09,616
see the students are accessing more

4805
02:39:09,616 --> 02:39:11,616
driver's ed and

4806
02:39:12,619 --> 02:39:14,588
training,

4807
02:39:14,588 --> 02:39:15,589
it's the ones whose parents have the

4808
02:39:15,589 --> 02:39:17,589
greatest needs and

4809
02:39:17,591 --> 02:39:18,592
we can't get to don't get the driver's

4810
02:39:18,592 --> 02:39:20,592
ed

4811
02:39:21,595 --> 02:39:23,597
training. I had five fatalities in

4812
02:39:23,597 --> 02:39:26,597
district 2 with teen drivers just

4813
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:29,603
in november and it's just absolutely, you

4814
02:39:29,603 --> 02:39:30,604
know, heartbreaking. And then another

4815
02:39:30,604 --> 02:39:33,604
piece that I think we

4816
02:39:33,607 --> 02:39:35,609
have to bring up here is, you

4817
02:39:35,609 --> 02:39:36,610
know, humberto, sitting back here,

4818
02:39:36,610 --> 02:39:38,610
your staff,

4819
02:39:38,612 --> 02:39:39,613
is struggling to keep up with what

4820
02:39:39,613 --> 02:39:41,615
we need to do

4821
02:39:41,615 --> 02:39:42,616
to make our roads safer and I know

4822
02:39:42,616 --> 02:39:44,616
there's probably

4823
02:39:45,619 --> 02:39:47,588
a whole body of work that must be

4824
02:39:47,588 --> 02:39:48,589
done to what the sidewalks potentially

4825
02:39:48,589 --> 02:39:50,589
would be

4826
02:39:50,591 --> 02:39:51,592
changed, pavement markings dealing

4827
02:39:51,592 --> 02:39:53,592
with

4828
02:39:54,595 --> 02:39:57,595
scooters, what have you. If

4829
02:39:57,598 --> 02:39:59,600
we're going to givego this route we

4830
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:00,601
have to give him adequate support

4831
02:40:00,601 --> 02:40:01,602
and staffing and

4832
02:40:01,602 --> 02:40:03,604
financing because he's already got

4833
02:40:03,604 --> 02:40:05,606
a job that's incredibly

4834
02:40:05,606 --> 02:40:06,607
difficult. I'm assuming that a lot

4835
02:40:06,607 --> 02:40:08,607
of the standards

4836
02:40:09,610 --> 02:40:10,611
are going to have to be derived and

4837
02:40:10,611 --> 02:40:12,613
developed from the federal government

4838
02:40:12,613 --> 02:40:13,614
and

4839
02:40:13,614 --> 02:40:15,616
so I don't know if it's in the uniform

4840
02:40:15,616 --> 02:40:17,618
code or any of the green books

4841
02:40:17,618 --> 02:40:18,619
or any of those things those documents

4842
02:40:18,619 --> 02:40:20,587
you

4843
02:40:20,587 --> 02:40:21,588
use, so there's just so many pieces

4844
02:40:21,588 --> 02:40:23,588
to this.

4845
02:40:24,591 --> 02:40:27,594
you've got school board to public

4846
02:40:27,594 --> 02:40:29,596
works and what have you. I wish

4847
02:40:29,596 --> 02:40:30,597
the legislature maybe we can go up

4848
02:40:30,597 --> 02:40:32,597
and lobby.

4849
02:40:32,599 --> 02:40:33,600
we used to do that as a school board.

4850
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:35,600
it would be

4851
02:40:36,603 --> 02:40:38,605
fun to go up with you all. Could

4852
02:40:38,605 --> 02:40:39,606
we at least have helmets, at least

4853
02:40:39,606 --> 02:40:41,606
that

4854
02:40:42,609 --> 02:40:44,609
insurance side fixed.

4855
02:40:44,611 --> 02:40:45,612
and then the school board, you know,

4856
02:40:45,612 --> 02:40:47,612
we're going to

4857
02:40:47,614 --> 02:40:48,615
need some education coming from the

4858
02:40:48,615 --> 02:40:50,615
schools. I know

4859
02:40:50,617 --> 02:40:51,618
they don't want to take responsibility

4860
02:40:51,618 --> 02:40:53,618
for anything

4861
02:40:54,588 --> 02:40:55,589
outside that school property. They're -- the school

4862
02:40:55,589 --> 02:40:57,589
board

4863
02:40:57,591 --> 02:40:58,592
is going to consider it ourour

4864
02:40:58,592 --> 02:41:00,594
responsibility the minute that scooter

4865
02:41:00,594 --> 02:41:01,595
is off their property. We have to

4866
02:41:01,595 --> 02:41:02,596
work

4867
02:41:02,596 --> 02:41:03,597
together. We have to have more of

4868
02:41:03,597 --> 02:41:05,597
a collaborative

4869
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:07,601
approach because they're all of our

4870
02:41:07,601 --> 02:41:09,601
children.

4871
02:41:09,603 --> 02:41:11,605
they don't just belong the school board on their

4872
02:41:11,605 --> 02:41:12,606
property or a county or city road.

4873
02:41:12,606 --> 02:41:14,606
I

4874
02:41:14,608 --> 02:41:15,609
hope you're considering this being

4875
02:41:15,609 --> 02:41:17,609
county wide.

4876
02:41:18,612 --> 02:41:21,615
if we have to do some ordinance changes

4877
02:41:21,615 --> 02:41:23,617
let's have a comprehensive orange

4878
02:41:23,617 --> 02:41:24,618
county structure not have it different

4879
02:41:24,618 --> 02:41:26,618
in every

4880
02:41:26,620 --> 02:41:27,588
one of these municipalities because that

4881
02:41:27,588 --> 02:41:29,590
is not a good --

4882
02:41:29,590 --> 02:41:30,591
>> that would make it difficult for the school

4883
02:41:30,591 --> 02:41:32,591
board and

4884
02:41:32,593 --> 02:41:33,594
everyone else it has to be county wide.

4885
02:41:33,594 --> 02:41:36,597
I hope when we get to

4886
02:41:36,597 --> 02:41:39,600
that. I'm not sure that's a question

4887
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:41,600
for

4888
02:41:45,606 --> 02:41:46,607
buy ram.

4889
02:41:46,607 --> 02:41:47,608
>> county wide was the goal.

4890
02:41:47,608 --> 02:41:48,609
I think it's

4891
02:41:48,609 --> 02:41:49,610
something what does that look like

4892
02:41:49,610 --> 02:41:51,610
and, you

4893
02:41:51,612 --> 02:41:52,613
know, we would need to rely on of

4894
02:41:52,613 --> 02:41:54,613
not just

4895
02:41:54,615 --> 02:41:55,616
our departments but start there. But

4896
02:41:55,616 --> 02:41:57,616
then

4897
02:41:57,618 --> 02:41:58,619
also law enforcement and our school

4898
02:41:58,619 --> 02:41:59,620
partners.

4899
02:41:59,620 --> 02:42:00,587
>> clearly

4900
02:42:00,587 --> 02:42:03,587
what I'm seeing in my

4901
02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:05,990
district is I'm particularly

4902
02:42:06,593 --> 02:42:09,593
the boys 8th through juniors

4903
02:42:09,596 --> 02:42:10,597
in high school have this newfound

4904
02:42:10,597 --> 02:42:11,598
freedom and you're

4905
02:42:11,598 --> 02:42:12,599
seeing them going out in packs trying

4906
02:42:12,599 --> 02:42:14,999
to get to the

4907
02:42:15,602 --> 02:42:16,603
state parks and I see them riding down

4908
02:42:16,603 --> 02:42:18,603
the

4909
02:42:18,605 --> 02:42:19,606
roads. I'm excited for them because

4910
02:42:19,606 --> 02:42:21,606
now

4911
02:42:21,608 --> 02:42:24,611
you're not waiting on mom to

4912
02:42:24,611 --> 02:42:25,612
drive you. It's exciting but at the

4913
02:42:25,612 --> 02:42:27,612
same time

4914
02:42:27,614 --> 02:42:29,616
I'm not seeing any helmets and not

4915
02:42:29,616 --> 02:42:31,618
seeing any of them paying particular

4916
02:42:31,618 --> 02:42:34,180
attention to rules and

4917
02:42:34,588 --> 02:42:36,988
those sorts of things.

4918
02:42:37,591 --> 02:42:39,991
so that's where --and

4919
02:42:40,594 --> 02:42:42,596
you're a former school

4920
02:42:42,596 --> 02:42:43,597
board member but hope that first week we

4921
02:42:43,597 --> 02:42:45,597
can develop

4922
02:42:45,599 --> 02:42:46,600
a module about safe walk and biking

4923
02:42:46,600 --> 02:42:48,602
to school and the more

4924
02:42:48,602 --> 02:42:49,603
of them that do this, this is good,

4925
02:42:49,603 --> 02:42:51,603
right,

4926
02:42:51,605 --> 02:42:52,606
not so many parents in the pick-up

4927
02:42:52,606 --> 02:42:54,606
line. It's

4928
02:42:55,609 --> 02:42:56,610
better for us with road capacity

4929
02:42:56,610 --> 02:42:58,612
and congestion and mornings and afternoons.

4930
02:42:58,612 --> 02:43:00,612
it's a good

4931
02:43:00,614 --> 02:43:03,617
thing. This is a good thing if we

4932
02:43:03,617 --> 02:43:04,618
can impress on these young people

4933
02:43:04,618 --> 02:43:06,618
the importance of

4934
02:43:06,620 --> 02:43:07,588
being safe. You know that's tough.

4935
02:43:07,588 --> 02:43:09,588
again my

4936
02:43:10,591 --> 02:43:13,591
two that died, it was

4937
02:43:13,594 --> 02:43:16,594
a 17-year-old driver, three fatalities

4938
02:43:16,597 --> 02:43:17,598
on welch road and 18-year-old

4939
02:43:17,598 --> 02:43:19,600
driver who killed two people, one

4940
02:43:19,600 --> 02:43:21,600
in their

4941
02:43:21,602 --> 02:43:22,603
80s and one in the 90s. They were

4942
02:43:22,603 --> 02:43:24,603
both young

4943
02:43:25,606 --> 02:43:27,608
male drivers in that range. I

4944
02:43:27,608 --> 02:43:29,610
hope we can go back and talk about

4945
02:43:29,610 --> 02:43:31,612
driver's ed coming back to the high

4946
02:43:31,612 --> 02:43:33,614
schools and this is

4947
02:43:33,614 --> 02:43:34,615
a comprehensive conversation. Byrum,

4948
02:43:34,615 --> 02:43:35,616
I hope there will

4949
02:43:35,616 --> 02:43:37,618
be a champion here because there's

4950
02:43:37,618 --> 02:43:39,618
so many

4951
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:42,589
tentacles and aspects it's something you

4952
02:43:42,589 --> 02:43:43,590
can handle staff can handle with all

4953
02:43:43,590 --> 02:43:45,592
of our other responsibilities and I

4954
02:43:45,592 --> 02:43:46,593
will be curious to hear the response.

4955
02:43:46,593 --> 02:43:48,593
this is

4956
02:43:48,595 --> 02:43:49,596
a massive undertaking.

4957
02:43:49,596 --> 02:43:50,597
>> I want to

4958
02:43:50,597 --> 02:43:52,599
be clear this is

4959
02:43:52,599 --> 02:43:55,602
a two-step process. This is very

4960
02:43:55,602 --> 02:43:58,200
broad. The thought was

4961
02:43:58,605 --> 02:43:59,606
today interest and support.

4962
02:43:59,606 --> 02:44:03,610
we would now begin to actually go

4963
02:44:03,610 --> 02:44:04,611
through it and identify who is responsible

4964
02:44:04,611 --> 02:44:06,611
for what

4965
02:44:06,613 --> 02:44:07,614
and begin to gather a clear sense

4966
02:44:07,614 --> 02:44:09,614
of

4967
02:44:10,617 --> 02:44:12,619
what might fall under state, what

4968
02:44:12,619 --> 02:44:13,620
might fall under the sheriff's office,

4969
02:44:13,620 --> 02:44:15,589
ocps and

4970
02:44:15,589 --> 02:44:16,590
orange county and then come back in the

4971
02:44:16,590 --> 02:44:18,590
spring and have

4972
02:44:18,592 --> 02:44:19,593
a conversation with the board about

4973
02:44:19,593 --> 02:44:21,593
those

4974
02:44:22,596 --> 02:44:23,597
efforts, what specifically areas that would

4975
02:44:23,597 --> 02:44:25,597
be under

4976
02:44:25,599 --> 02:44:28,602
the purview of the board, other areas

4977
02:44:28,602 --> 02:44:30,602
you may

4978
02:44:30,604 --> 02:44:31,605
explore, and then begin to develop

4979
02:44:31,605 --> 02:44:33,605
and work

4980
02:44:34,608 --> 02:44:37,611
on those specific issues that may

4981
02:44:37,611 --> 02:44:39,611
be

4982
02:44:40,614 --> 02:44:42,614
policy related.

4983
02:44:42,616 --> 02:44:44,618
this is, obviously, of great interest,

4984
02:44:44,618 --> 02:44:46,620
significant interest, important, but it

4985
02:44:46,620 --> 02:44:48,589
is --

4986
02:44:48,589 --> 02:44:49,590
I mean this is very comprehensive

4987
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:51,590
in its reach.

4988
02:44:52,593 --> 02:44:54,593
that's the first

4989
02:44:54,595 --> 02:44:55,596
step and a conversation we've asked

4990
02:44:55,596 --> 02:44:57,996
commissioner wilson after this

4991
02:44:58,599 --> 02:45:01,602
step we go to the next step

4992
02:45:01,602 --> 02:45:04,605
which is to begin to organize this

4993
02:45:04,605 --> 02:45:05,606
in a fashion what falls

4994
02:45:05,606 --> 02:45:07,608
under which area. That would be done

4995
02:45:07,608 --> 02:45:09,608
in

4996
02:45:10,611 --> 02:45:12,611
conjunction with

4997
02:45:12,613 --> 02:45:13,614
conversations working with orange

4998
02:45:13,614 --> 02:45:14,615
county

4999
02:45:14,615 --> 02:45:16,617
sheriff's office. We would all take

5000
02:45:16,617 --> 02:45:19,620
notes. I heard a few others you mentioned

5001
02:45:19,620 --> 02:45:22,589
as well. But that would

5002
02:45:22,589 --> 02:45:24,589
be done in

5003
02:45:24,591 --> 02:45:25,592
conjunction in discussions to help

5004
02:45:25,592 --> 02:45:27,592
this out so

5005
02:45:27,594 --> 02:45:28,595
when we come back to the board it's

5006
02:45:28,595 --> 02:45:30,595
a

5007
02:45:31,598 --> 02:45:34,598
comprehensive approach not just one

5008
02:45:34,601 --> 02:45:35,602
perspective but others who need to

5009
02:45:35,602 --> 02:45:37,604
be at the table.

5010
02:45:37,604 --> 02:45:39,604
>>. >> commissioner semrad. >> thank

5011
02:45:39,606 --> 02:45:40,607
you, mayor. Thank you, commissioner

5012
02:45:40,607 --> 02:45:42,607
wilson. This is

5013
02:45:43,610 --> 02:45:45,612
an important topic and our --

5014
02:45:45,612 --> 02:45:46,613
we've got two school board members

5015
02:45:46,613 --> 02:45:49,613
and district five member gallo

5016
02:45:49,616 --> 02:45:52,619
and vanos both have come to

5017
02:45:52,619 --> 02:45:53,620
district 5 and expressed a lot of

5018
02:45:53,620 --> 02:45:55,589
concern

5019
02:45:55,589 --> 02:45:58,592
regarding the school zones and the

5020
02:45:58,592 --> 02:46:00,594
kids' usage and safety features as

5021
02:46:00,594 --> 02:46:01,595
well. I'm grateful the school board

5022
02:46:01,595 --> 02:46:03,995
was here and I

5023
02:46:04,598 --> 02:46:06,998
have the two e-mails

5024
02:46:07,601 --> 02:46:09,601
from

5025
02:46:10,604 --> 02:46:12,604
stephanie and

5026
02:46:12,606 --> 02:46:13,607
angie making sure orange county has

5027
02:46:13,607 --> 02:46:16,610
a seat at the table. One

5028
02:46:16,610 --> 02:46:19,100
thing we haven't talked

5029
02:46:19,613 --> 02:46:22,130
about so far is

5030
02:46:22,616 --> 02:46:24,616
that I've

5031
02:46:25,619 --> 02:46:27,588
almost been hit by my kid riding

5032
02:46:27,588 --> 02:46:28,589
an ebike on the sidewalk going more

5033
02:46:28,589 --> 02:46:30,589
than

5034
02:46:31,592 --> 02:46:32,593
20 miles per hour. It's --and we have

5035
02:46:32,593 --> 02:46:34,593
to talk about

5036
02:46:34,595 --> 02:46:37,598
our shadow population which is about

5037
02:46:37,598 --> 02:46:38,599
210,000 tourists a day and that they're

5038
02:46:38,599 --> 02:46:40,599
coming

5039
02:46:40,601 --> 02:46:41,602
in from all these different locations

5040
02:46:41,602 --> 02:46:43,602
from around the

5041
02:46:43,604 --> 02:46:45,606
state and outside the state and country,

5042
02:46:45,606 --> 02:46:47,608
so being able to create some type

5043
02:46:47,608 --> 02:46:49,610
of a safety framework

5044
02:46:49,610 --> 02:46:50,611
where we can communicate to those

5045
02:46:50,611 --> 02:46:52,611
tourists, and

5046
02:46:52,613 --> 02:46:53,614
I see the tourists on international

5047
02:46:53,614 --> 02:46:54,615
drive and

5048
02:46:54,615 --> 02:46:56,617
other areas by the convention center

5049
02:46:56,617 --> 02:46:58,619
where some of them don't know how

5050
02:46:58,619 --> 02:47:01,588
to safely operate them and they don't

5051
02:47:01,588 --> 02:47:02,589
know how to brake, not break the machine,

5052
02:47:02,589 --> 02:47:03,590
but

5053
02:47:03,590 --> 02:47:05,592
to stop the machine so they kind of

5054
02:47:05,592 --> 02:47:07,592
hop off and

5055
02:47:07,594 --> 02:47:10,597
it goes into the grass. So we have

5056
02:47:10,597 --> 02:47:11,598
to, you know, like it is a comprehensive

5057
02:47:11,598 --> 02:47:13,600
approach but we have

5058
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:15,602
to also consider we have a very large

5059
02:47:15,602 --> 02:47:17,604
shadow population that doesn't live

5060
02:47:17,604 --> 02:47:18,605
amongst us

5061
02:47:18,605 --> 02:47:19,606
to receive those mainstream lessons

5062
02:47:19,606 --> 02:47:20,607
that we could do in the schools or

5063
02:47:20,607 --> 02:47:21,608
do

5064
02:47:21,608 --> 02:47:23,610
through the sheriff. Somehow we have

5065
02:47:23,610 --> 02:47:25,610
to communicate with

5066
02:47:25,612 --> 02:47:26,613
our tourism stakeholders as well these

5067
02:47:26,613 --> 02:47:27,614
are

5068
02:47:27,614 --> 02:47:28,615
presenting issues that are dangerous

5069
02:47:28,615 --> 02:47:29,616
for them and dangerous for the people

5070
02:47:29,616 --> 02:47:30,617
who live

5071
02:47:30,617 --> 02:47:31,618
here as well. Thank you.

5072
02:47:31,618 --> 02:47:32,619
>> thank

5073
02:47:32,619 --> 02:47:34,588
you so much

5074
02:47:34,588 --> 02:47:35,589
commissioner for bringing that up I

5075
02:47:35,589 --> 02:47:37,589
think you may

5076
02:47:38,592 --> 02:47:39,593
have been copied on it some

5077
02:47:39,593 --> 02:47:41,595
communication from the idrive chamber

5078
02:47:41,595 --> 02:47:43,595
that

5079
02:47:43,597 --> 02:47:44,598
articulated what you're saying and

5080
02:47:44,598 --> 02:47:46,598
supportive

5081
02:47:47,601 --> 02:47:48,602
of any movement

5082
02:47:48,602 --> 02:47:50,604
towards, you know, some more guidelines.

5083
02:47:50,604 --> 02:47:52,604
they're

5084
02:47:52,606 --> 02:47:53,607
different because those are vendors

5085
02:47:53,607 --> 02:47:55,607
and we have

5086
02:47:56,610 --> 02:47:59,613
an ordinance we adopted in '22 to

5087
02:47:59,613 --> 02:48:01,615
regulate the vendors for

5088
02:48:01,615 --> 02:48:04,150
those residential micromobility devices.

5089
02:48:05,619 --> 02:48:07,588
and so I will kind of

5090
02:48:07,588 --> 02:48:08,589
defer to byrum on whether we can get

5091
02:48:08,589 --> 02:48:10,589
separate information.

5092
02:48:10,591 --> 02:48:11,592
that was a pilot program. You should

5093
02:48:11,592 --> 02:48:13,592
have

5094
02:48:13,594 --> 02:48:14,595
some information become from that.

5095
02:48:14,595 --> 02:48:16,595
>> actually a

5096
02:48:17,598 --> 02:48:20,601
meeting tomorrow I believe or this

5097
02:48:20,601 --> 02:48:22,603
week later this week thursday

5098
02:48:22,603 --> 02:48:26,607
with the idrive areas to those areas

5099
02:48:26,607 --> 02:48:28,607
where we are

5100
02:48:28,609 --> 02:48:31,609
tracking those experiences. That is

5101
02:48:32,613 --> 02:48:35,130
a very I would

5102
02:48:35,616 --> 02:48:36,617
say very specific stage of discussing.

5103
02:48:36,617 --> 02:48:38,619
there's overlap with some of those

5104
02:48:38,619 --> 02:48:39,620
concerns and that could be

5105
02:48:39,620 --> 02:48:41,588
very informative to this effort as

5106
02:48:41,588 --> 02:48:43,590
well. I want you

5107
02:48:43,590 --> 02:48:44,591
to know we are specifically working

5108
02:48:44,591 --> 02:48:46,591
with tracking

5109
02:48:46,593 --> 02:48:47,594
on those matters concerning the program

5110
02:48:47,594 --> 02:48:49,596
down in idrive area.

5111
02:48:49,596 --> 02:48:50,597
>> that's great to know. I will say

5112
02:48:50,597 --> 02:48:52,997
you're right. It does

5113
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:54,601
have the overlap and if I had a dry

5114
02:48:54,601 --> 02:48:56,601
erase

5115
02:48:56,603 --> 02:48:58,605
doing a diagram here the descriptions

5116
02:48:58,605 --> 02:48:59,606
of the things that concern those businesses

5117
02:48:59,606 --> 02:49:00,607
have

5118
02:49:00,607 --> 02:49:02,609
been similar to the concerns that

5119
02:49:02,609 --> 02:49:04,609
we hear from

5120
02:49:05,612 --> 02:49:07,614
residents about drives that are

5121
02:49:07,614 --> 02:49:08,615
exceeding speed strollers or wheelchairs

5122
02:49:08,615 --> 02:49:11,615
or weaving in and out

5123
02:49:11,618 --> 02:49:14,588
of pedestrians. Stopping and leaving

5124
02:49:14,588 --> 02:49:16,590
a device, specific to

5125
02:49:16,590 --> 02:49:17,591
the rentals just wherever it can be

5126
02:49:17,591 --> 02:49:19,591
an

5127
02:49:20,594 --> 02:49:21,595
impediment for somebody

5128
02:49:21,595 --> 02:49:23,597
who needs access. Leaving it on a

5129
02:49:23,597 --> 02:49:26,600
ramp for a crosswalk can keep

5130
02:49:26,600 --> 02:49:29,603
somebody else from using that crosswalk.

5131
02:49:29,603 --> 02:49:32,606
it will be interesting to see the

5132
02:49:32,606 --> 02:49:34,606
outcome and help

5133
02:49:35,609 --> 02:49:36,610
inform.

5134
02:49:36,610 --> 02:49:37,611
>> byrum, I think there's quite

5135
02:49:37,611 --> 02:49:38,612
a bit of

5136
02:49:38,612 --> 02:49:40,614
work to be done here and sometimes

5137
02:49:40,614 --> 02:49:41,615
when we've had difficult issues or

5138
02:49:41,615 --> 02:49:43,615
complex

5139
02:49:44,618 --> 02:49:45,619
issues as a community, we've created

5140
02:49:45,619 --> 02:49:47,588
these

5141
02:49:47,588 --> 02:49:50,588
task forces, but whenever we

5142
02:49:50,591 --> 02:49:52,593
do that, because of sunshine

5143
02:49:52,593 --> 02:49:53,594
laws et cetera, sometimes it inhibits

5144
02:49:53,594 --> 02:49:55,594
the free flow

5145
02:49:56,597 --> 02:49:58,597
of information. I

5146
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:00,601
do believe that this is

5147
02:50:00,601 --> 02:50:02,603
something that law enforcement really

5148
02:50:02,603 --> 02:50:04,603
needs to

5149
02:50:05,606 --> 02:50:08,606
be significant part of and

5150
02:50:08,609 --> 02:50:11,612
perhaps thethe orange chiefs' group can

5151
02:50:11,612 --> 02:50:13,614
be part of those

5152
02:50:13,614 --> 02:50:14,615
conversations, especially if we're talking

5153
02:50:14,615 --> 02:50:17,150
about doing something that

5154
02:50:17,618 --> 02:50:19,618
is as county

5155
02:50:20,621 --> 02:50:22,589
wide implications.

5156
02:50:22,589 --> 02:50:23,590
also, we have wonderful asset in our

5157
02:50:23,590 --> 02:50:25,590
chance the

5158
02:50:26,593 --> 02:50:28,593
okay children's safety

5159
02:50:29,596 --> 02:50:32,596
village, that does a lot

5160
02:50:32,599 --> 02:50:34,601
of training and awareness

5161
02:50:34,601 --> 02:50:35,602
of bicycle safety and pedestrian safety

5162
02:50:35,602 --> 02:50:37,602
and a number

5163
02:50:38,605 --> 02:50:41,608
of things on the campus that they

5164
02:50:41,608 --> 02:50:44,611
have so I believe that it's probably

5165
02:50:44,611 --> 02:50:45,612
most appropriate at this point to

5166
02:50:45,612 --> 02:50:47,612
keep

5167
02:50:47,614 --> 02:50:49,614
the conversations

5168
02:50:50,617 --> 02:50:53,170
at a staff level

5169
02:50:53,620 --> 02:50:55,620
and look

5170
02:50:56,590 --> 02:50:59,593
within, you know, public works perhaps

5171
02:50:59,593 --> 02:51:01,993
even with public safety

5172
02:51:02,596 --> 02:51:04,596
where deputy county

5173
02:51:05,599 --> 02:51:07,599
administrator danny banks

5174
02:51:08,602 --> 02:51:12,202
to maybe help pull this together

5175
02:51:12,606 --> 02:51:15,600
and reach across different

5176
02:51:15,609 --> 02:51:18,900
disciplines that may have

5177
02:51:18,612 --> 02:51:20,614
some to hear and let

5178
02:51:20,614 --> 02:51:21,615
the work group, we heard a representative

5179
02:51:21,615 --> 02:51:23,615
from

5180
02:51:24,618 --> 02:51:27,618
the school district here earlier

5181
02:51:27,621 --> 02:51:30,591
today, that clearly they wanted to be

5182
02:51:30,591 --> 02:51:32,593
a part of the conversation so it's

5183
02:51:32,593 --> 02:51:35,593
multiple disciplines involved in this

5184
02:51:35,596 --> 02:51:39,196
conversation, but I think we'll continue

5185
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:40,601
to have some conversation at the

5186
02:51:40,601 --> 02:51:42,603
county administration level about

5187
02:51:42,603 --> 02:51:44,603
how to engage

5188
02:51:45,606 --> 02:51:48,606
the groups, take the wisdom

5189
02:51:48,609 --> 02:51:50,609
of the board

5190
02:51:51,612 --> 02:51:53,614
here today, and let's try

5191
02:51:53,614 --> 02:51:54,615
to move the needle. This isn't something I

5192
02:51:54,615 --> 02:51:56,615
think can

5193
02:51:57,618 --> 02:52:00,621
be done in the short term, but it

5194
02:52:00,621 --> 02:52:02,621
will take

5195
02:52:03,590 --> 02:52:05,990
some time. There are,

5196
02:52:06,593 --> 02:52:08,593
obviously,

5197
02:52:08,595 --> 02:52:10,597
legislative considerations, we do

5198
02:52:10,597 --> 02:52:12,599
here, other jurisdictions around the

5199
02:52:12,599 --> 02:52:14,599
state is experiencing

5200
02:52:14,601 --> 02:52:15,602
the same thing and thethe is going

5201
02:52:15,602 --> 02:52:17,602
to

5202
02:52:17,604 --> 02:52:18,605
believe they have some regulatory

5203
02:52:18,605 --> 02:52:20,605
authority in

5204
02:52:20,607 --> 02:52:21,608
this to make sure that there's standard,

5205
02:52:21,608 --> 02:52:23,608
a

5206
02:52:24,611 --> 02:52:26,611
standard across the

5207
02:52:27,614 --> 02:52:29,616
state, on how this could be

5208
02:52:29,616 --> 02:52:30,617
addressed proactively. We know there

5209
02:52:30,617 --> 02:52:32,617
may be

5210
02:52:33,620 --> 02:52:35,620
an

5211
02:52:36,590 --> 02:52:38,990
enforcement component to driving

5212
02:52:39,593 --> 02:52:41,593
compliance to

5213
02:52:41,595 --> 02:52:42,596
reducing injuries and improving safety at

5214
02:52:42,596 --> 02:52:44,596
the same

5215
02:52:45,599 --> 02:52:48,602
time but I would hate to

5216
02:52:48,602 --> 02:52:51,200
see it so punitive

5217
02:52:51,605 --> 02:52:53,607
to where youth children

5218
02:52:53,607 --> 02:52:54,608
are getting citations and those types

5219
02:52:54,608 --> 02:52:56,608
of things. We

5220
02:52:57,611 --> 02:53:00,611
have to think through that.

5221
02:53:00,614 --> 02:53:03,614
there are as I see

5222
02:53:03,617 --> 02:53:05,617
as many

5223
02:53:06,620 --> 02:53:09,590
adults who are out around

5224
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:11,990
here in downtown I

5225
02:53:12,593 --> 02:53:15,593
see them drive these micromobility

5226
02:53:15,596 --> 02:53:18,599
devices with a lot of risk

5227
02:53:18,599 --> 02:53:21,602
and a --it's like a thrill ride

5228
02:53:21,602 --> 02:53:23,602
for them.

5229
02:53:24,605 --> 02:53:27,608
I've seen on several occasions on

5230
02:53:27,608 --> 02:53:28,609
I drive where it

5231
02:53:28,609 --> 02:53:30,611
appears it's a parent riding, you

5232
02:53:30,611 --> 02:53:32,613
know, standing up on a

5233
02:53:32,613 --> 02:53:33,614
micromobility device an they have

5234
02:53:33,614 --> 02:53:35,614
a one

5235
02:53:36,617 --> 02:53:38,617
or two, sometimes

5236
02:53:38,619 --> 02:53:39,620
three, riding these micromobility

5237
02:53:39,620 --> 02:53:41,620
devices it's like

5238
02:53:42,589 --> 02:53:45,592
a thrill ride and no one has on a

5239
02:53:45,592 --> 02:53:47,592
helmet

5240
02:53:48,595 --> 02:53:51,595
any kind of safety, associated.

5241
02:53:51,598 --> 02:53:54,601
I look at the parent and say

5242
02:53:54,601 --> 02:53:56,601
wow, a

5243
02:53:57,604 --> 02:54:00,607
parent is really taking quite a

5244
02:54:00,607 --> 02:54:03,700
risk with a child.

5245
02:54:03,610 --> 02:54:06,613
I think there's a lot of work

5246
02:54:06,613 --> 02:54:08,613
here

5247
02:54:09,616 --> 02:54:11,618
as we move forward.

5248
02:54:11,618 --> 02:54:12,619
we'll roundtable it and look to danny

5249
02:54:12,619 --> 02:54:14,619
and others

5250
02:54:15,589 --> 02:54:18,592
to take the lead on this and get

5251
02:54:18,592 --> 02:54:20,594
it to a point where --with

5252
02:54:20,594 --> 02:54:21,595
some recommendations about how we

5253
02:54:21,595 --> 02:54:23,595
move

5254
02:54:23,597 --> 02:54:25,997
forward. Great conversation today.

5255
02:54:27,601 --> 02:54:29,601
11:59. We

5256
02:54:30,604 --> 02:54:31,605
beat the noon deadline. We're going to

5257
02:54:31,605 --> 02:54:33,605
go

5258
02:54:33,607 --> 02:54:34,608
into recess and we will reconvene

5259
02:54:34,608 --> 02:54:35,609
at

5260
02:54:35,609 --> 02:54:36,610
2:00 p.m. For the afternoon portion

5261
02:54:36,610 --> 02:54:37,611
of

5262
02:54:37,611 --> 02:54:38,612
our meeting. I thank you all.

5263
02:54:38,612 --> 02:54:41,612
>> thank you all very much.

5264
02:55:37,237 --> 02:55:38,238
>>> good afternoon, everyone. Let me

5265
02:55:38,238 --> 02:55:40,240
welcome you back to

5266
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:43,240
the meeting of december 2nd, 2025.

5267
02:55:43,243 --> 02:55:44,244
as we begin this afternoon, we will

5268
02:55:44,244 --> 02:55:46,244
start with

5269
02:55:47,247 --> 02:55:49,247
our landland

5270
02:55:50,250 --> 02:55:53,220
issues. We're up to item regarding

5271
02:55:53,220 --> 02:55:55,220
planning

5272
02:55:56,223 --> 02:55:58,223
ask zoning.

5273
02:55:59,226 --> 02:56:01,626
and ms. O'hara is

5274
02:56:02,229 --> 02:56:04,229
going to

5275
02:56:05,232 --> 02:56:06,233
lead us off.

5276
02:56:06,233 --> 02:56:08,235
>> good afternoon, mayor and commissioners.

5277
02:56:08,235 --> 02:56:11,235
on november 6th, 2025, the board

5278
02:56:11,238 --> 02:56:14,238
of zoning adjustment heard 12 cases.

5279
02:56:14,241 --> 02:56:16,241
ted were recommended

5280
02:56:21,248 --> 02:56:22,249
for approval. One was recommended for denial.

5281
02:56:22,249 --> 02:56:23,250
and one case was continued to the december 4th public hearing.

5282
02:56:23,250 --> 02:56:26,220
the appeal deadline was november 21st, and

5283
02:56:26,220 --> 02:56:27,221
no

5284
02:56:27,221 --> 02:56:29,223
appeals were received. It's my understanding that

5285
02:56:29,223 --> 02:56:30,224
commissioners would like to pull the

5286
02:56:30,224 --> 02:56:32,224
case

5287
02:56:32,226 --> 02:56:34,226
2511 for

5288
02:56:34,228 --> 02:56:35,229
a board called hearing. This zoning division is working

5289
02:56:35,229 --> 02:56:40,290
on scheduling that for a separate public hearing.

5290
02:56:41,235 --> 02:56:43,235
so with

5291
02:56:44,238 --> 02:56:47,238
the exception of case ba 25

5292
02:56:47,241 --> 02:56:49,241
pulled,

5293
02:56:49,243 --> 02:56:50,244
2508033 which was continued, we request that they

5294
02:56:50,244 --> 02:56:53,247
accept the recommended action and findings.

5295
02:56:53,247 --> 02:56:55,247
>> we have

5296
02:56:56,250 --> 02:56:59,219
a motion for approval. Do

5297
02:56:59,219 --> 02:57:02,219
I hear a second? Second.

5298
02:57:02,222 --> 02:57:05,225
all in favor let it be known by

5299
02:57:05,225 --> 02:57:06,226
saying aye? Motion passes.

5300
02:57:06,226 --> 02:57:08,228
it is unanimous. Thank you. We're

5301
02:57:08,228 --> 02:57:11,231
going to move to the next

5302
02:57:11,231 --> 02:57:13,231
item on ourour

5303
02:57:13,233 --> 02:57:17,237
agenda. This is a-1 for this afternoon.

5304
02:57:17,237 --> 02:57:19,237
this is the

5305
02:57:20,240 --> 02:57:23,243
public hearing. This is a petition

5306
02:57:23,243 --> 02:57:25,245
to vacate. Deputy director of public

5307
02:57:25,245 --> 02:57:26,246
works to frame this item. You're recognized.

5308
02:57:26,246 --> 02:57:28,646
>> thank you, mayor. This

5309
02:57:29,249 --> 02:57:32,249
is a petition to vacate

5310
02:57:35,222 --> 02:57:37,222
ptv

5311
02:57:38,225 --> 02:57:40,625
25-08022 from jonathan on

5312
02:57:41,228 --> 02:57:43,228
behalf of

5313
02:57:44,231 --> 02:57:46,231
88 magnolia and charles

5314
02:57:50,237 --> 02:57:51,238
wolsonovich. That request they vacate a

5315
02:57:51,238 --> 02:57:52,239
portion of the unopened and

5316
02:57:52,239 --> 02:57:53,240
unapproved broadway known as palm

5317
02:57:53,240 --> 02:57:55,640
avenue that lies between

5318
02:57:56,243 --> 02:57:58,243
three residential lots

5319
02:57:59,246 --> 02:58:01,248
located within the subdivision

5320
02:58:01,248 --> 02:58:02,249
containing approximately 0.258 acres.

5321
02:58:02,249 --> 02:58:04,249
the property

5322
02:58:05,219 --> 02:58:07,619
lies south of west

5323
02:58:08,222 --> 02:58:09,223
colonial drive. The real estate

5324
02:58:09,223 --> 02:58:11,223
management, environmental protection,

5325
02:58:11,225 --> 02:58:12,226
jerg, transportation planning and

5326
02:58:12,226 --> 02:58:14,226
roads

5327
02:58:14,228 --> 02:58:16,228
and drainage divisions

5328
02:58:17,231 --> 02:58:18,232
have no objections to the request.

5329
02:58:18,232 --> 02:58:20,234
all utility providers have

5330
02:58:20,234 --> 02:58:22,234
provided

5331
02:58:22,236 --> 02:58:23,237
letters of no objection. Approval will have no adverse

5332
02:58:23,237 --> 02:58:25,237
affect on orange

5333
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:27,241
county and staff has no objection to the

5334
02:58:27,241 --> 02:58:29,243
request. The requested action is approval

5335
02:58:29,243 --> 02:58:31,243
of

5336
02:58:31,245 --> 02:58:32,246
ptv-25-08-022. The parcel is located in

5337
02:58:32,246 --> 02:58:37,460
district 1 and I'm here to answer any questions.

5338
02:58:38,218 --> 02:58:40,218
>> thank you. Is

5339
02:58:41,221 --> 02:58:42,222
the

5340
02:58:42,222 --> 02:58:44,224
applicant present? Would you like to come forward

5341
02:58:44,224 --> 02:58:47,227
and make any comments? Okay, no

5342
02:58:47,227 --> 02:58:48,228
comments. Do we have members of the

5343
02:58:48,228 --> 02:58:50,228
public present

5344
02:58:50,230 --> 02:58:51,231
that

5345
02:58:51,231 --> 02:58:52,232
wish to be heard on this item?

5346
02:58:52,232 --> 02:58:53,233
>> we have no speakers on this

5347
02:58:53,233 --> 02:58:54,234
item.

5348
02:58:54,234 --> 02:58:55,235
>> we'll close

5349
02:58:55,235 --> 02:58:56,236
the public and going to potential

5350
02:58:56,236 --> 02:58:57,237
motion.

5351
02:58:57,237 --> 02:58:58,238
>> I'd like to make

5352
02:58:58,238 --> 02:58:59,239
a motion to approve.

5353
02:58:59,239 --> 02:59:00,240
>> second. >> we

5354
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:02,242
have a motion and

5355
02:59:02,242 --> 02:59:04,244
a second. All in favor

5356
02:59:04,244 --> 02:59:05,245
let be known by saying aye? Motion passes.

5357
02:59:05,245 --> 02:59:07,245
it is unanimous.

5358
02:59:08,248 --> 02:59:10,248
with that, we'll

5359
02:59:11,251 --> 02:59:14,221
move to the next item on our agenda

5360
02:59:14,221 --> 02:59:16,221
b-2, shoreline alteration.

5361
02:59:16,223 --> 02:59:17,224
item will open the public hearing

5362
02:59:17,224 --> 02:59:19,624
on this item and

5363
02:59:20,227 --> 02:59:23,227
call on our environmental programs

5364
02:59:23,230 --> 02:59:25,230
administrator

5365
02:59:25,232 --> 02:59:26,233
to frame this item.

5366
02:59:26,233 --> 02:59:27,234
>> good afternoon,

5367
02:59:27,234 --> 02:59:29,234
mayor and commissioners.

5368
02:59:29,236 --> 02:59:32,236
today I'm presenting after the

5369
02:59:32,239 --> 02:59:34,239
fact

5370
02:59:36,243 --> 02:59:38,243
shoreline alteration application

5371
02:59:39,246 --> 02:59:42,249
sadf-25-02-006. S had this is

5372
02:59:42,249 --> 02:59:44,251
for replacement vinyl sea wall.

5373
02:59:44,251 --> 02:59:45,219
here is a location map of the property.

5374
02:59:45,219 --> 02:59:48,222
it's shown in red for you.

5375
02:59:48,222 --> 02:59:50,224
the property is at 3513

5376
02:59:50,224 --> 02:59:51,225
tcu boulevard on the western shoreline

5377
02:59:51,225 --> 02:59:53,225
of

5378
02:59:54,228 --> 02:59:55,229
lake

5379
02:59:55,229 --> 03:00:00,290
irma. Here's anner y'all photo outlined in yellow.

5380
03:00:04,238 --> 03:00:06,240
june 14th of 2024, epd received a

5381
03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:08,240
complaint that a

5382
03:00:08,242 --> 03:00:09,243
new sea wall was being constructed

5383
03:00:09,243 --> 03:00:11,243
at the property

5384
03:00:12,246 --> 03:00:14,246
without a

5385
03:00:15,249 --> 03:00:16,250
permit.

5386
03:00:16,250 --> 03:00:17,251
staff determined that the property owner had constructed a

5387
03:00:17,251 --> 03:00:18,218
replacement seawall directory waterward

5388
03:00:18,218 --> 03:00:20,218
of

5389
03:00:21,221 --> 03:00:22,222
an existing

5390
03:00:22,222 --> 03:00:23,223
seawall, which requires a permit.

5391
03:00:23,223 --> 03:00:24,224
the existing concrete seawall was

5392
03:00:24,224 --> 03:00:26,224
constructed

5393
03:00:27,227 --> 03:00:29,227
under 2006 and

5394
03:00:29,229 --> 03:00:30,230
2007, however, we did not find a permit for that existing wall.

5395
03:00:30,230 --> 03:00:32,230
accordingly on

5396
03:00:33,233 --> 03:00:34,234
june 21st,

5397
03:00:34,234 --> 03:00:36,236
2024, epd issued a notice of violation

5398
03:00:36,236 --> 03:00:38,236
for the

5399
03:00:39,239 --> 03:00:41,239
unorzed

5400
03:00:42,242 --> 03:00:43,243
seawall. It required the property owner

5401
03:00:43,243 --> 03:00:45,245
reert remove the seawall or submit an application

5402
03:00:45,245 --> 03:00:47,245
for

5403
03:00:47,247 --> 03:00:48,248
the shoreline dredge and fill permit

5404
03:00:48,248 --> 03:00:50,250
to I attempt the permit after the fact.

5405
03:00:50,250 --> 03:00:53,250
december 9 theth of 2024, the case

5406
03:00:54,221 --> 03:00:55,222
was

5407
03:00:55,222 --> 03:00:56,223
presented to the special magistrate due to lack

5408
03:00:56,223 --> 03:00:57,224
of response from the property owner.

5409
03:00:57,224 --> 03:00:59,224
the special

5410
03:00:59,226 --> 03:01:00,227
magistrate issued an order that the unauthorized

5411
03:01:00,227 --> 03:01:03,230
seawall either be removed or a permit be

5412
03:01:03,230 --> 03:01:06,230
I applied for after the

5413
03:01:06,233 --> 03:01:09,236
fact. There was a penalty of

5414
03:01:09,236 --> 03:01:10,237
$4,871.

5415
03:01:10,237 --> 03:01:12,637
75 assessed. However, the special

5416
03:01:15,242 --> 03:01:16,243
magistrate ruled not to apply the penalty

5417
03:01:16,243 --> 03:01:18,245
in their order. On february 20th of this

5418
03:01:18,245 --> 03:01:20,645
year, epd received the

5419
03:01:21,248 --> 03:01:23,248
application for shoreline

5420
03:01:24,251 --> 03:01:26,220
alter

5421
03:01:26,220 --> 03:01:27,221
ration and dredge film permit. Here are the existing conditions

5422
03:01:27,221 --> 03:01:29,621
with the vinyl seawall.

5423
03:01:30,224 --> 03:01:32,226
as you can see being

5424
03:01:32,226 --> 03:01:33,227
installed on the photo on the left,

5425
03:01:33,227 --> 03:01:35,627
there's a concrete seawall.

5426
03:01:36,230 --> 03:01:38,232
that's the old wall. And you

5427
03:01:38,232 --> 03:01:39,233
can see they have also put in some

5428
03:01:39,233 --> 03:01:41,233
new

5429
03:01:42,236 --> 03:01:43,237
plantings that

5430
03:01:43,237 --> 03:01:48,370
installed on the right. Here is the site

5431
03:01:51,245 --> 03:01:52,246
plan.

5432
03:01:52,246 --> 03:01:53,247
the applicant is requesting authorization for after the fact

5433
03:01:53,247 --> 03:01:56,847
of approximately 34 feet of replacement vinyl

5434
03:01:58,252 --> 03:02:02,222
seawall, which is shown in red. The southern end of the seawall

5435
03:02:02,222 --> 03:02:03,223
abuts an adjacent wall to the south.

5436
03:02:03,223 --> 03:02:05,225
the northern end of the wall ends

5437
03:02:05,225 --> 03:02:06,226
approximately 11 feet from the property

5438
03:02:06,226 --> 03:02:11,626
line at an existing boat ramp that they have.

5439
03:02:12,232 --> 03:02:13,233
here

5440
03:02:13,233 --> 03:02:17,433
is a cross section of the seawall.

5441
03:02:24,244 --> 03:02:26,244
some considerations for

5442
03:02:27,247 --> 03:02:29,247
you. Chapter 15, article

5443
03:02:29,249 --> 03:02:30,250
vi, notification of the public hearing

5444
03:02:30,250 --> 03:02:32,650
was sent to property

5445
03:02:33,220 --> 03:02:34,221
owners within

5446
03:02:34,221 --> 03:02:36,223
500 feet and we received no objections.

5447
03:02:36,223 --> 03:02:38,223
our finding is

5448
03:02:41,228 --> 03:02:42,229
pursuant to code, epd has evaluated the permit

5449
03:02:42,229 --> 03:02:45,232
application and required documents and has made

5450
03:02:45,232 --> 03:02:46,233
a

5451
03:02:46,233 --> 03:02:47,234
finding that the request is consistent

5452
03:02:47,234 --> 03:02:49,236
with section 15-218. And finally, our

5453
03:02:49,236 --> 03:02:52,239
action requested is acceptance of the

5454
03:02:52,239 --> 03:02:54,241
findings and recommendation of the epd staff and approval

5455
03:02:54,241 --> 03:02:56,241
of after

5456
03:02:57,244 --> 03:02:59,644
the fact shoreline alteration

5457
03:03:00,247 --> 03:03:02,247
sadf-25-02-

5458
03:03:02,249 --> 03:03:03,250
006, subject to the conditions listed

5459
03:03:03,250 --> 03:03:04,251
in the staff report. That concludes my presentation.

5460
03:03:04,251 --> 03:03:06,251
>> thank you.

5461
03:03:12,226 --> 03:03:15,229
>> with that, is the aptly kabt present?

5462
03:03:15,229 --> 03:03:17,629
would you like to

5463
03:03:18,232 --> 03:03:20,232
nak

5464
03:03:21,235 --> 03:03:24,238
make any comments? So because we

5465
03:03:24,238 --> 03:03:27,241
had to take that as no comments unless you

5466
03:03:27,241 --> 03:03:30,244
want to make them, you'll have to

5467
03:03:30,244 --> 03:03:32,246
come to the podium.

5468
03:03:32,246 --> 03:03:33,247
so that do we have members of the

5469
03:03:33,247 --> 03:03:35,249
public present that pish to

5470
03:03:35,249 --> 03:03:36,250
be heard?

5471
03:03:36,250 --> 03:03:37,251
>> we have no speakers for

5472
03:03:37,251 --> 03:03:39,219
this item.

5473
03:03:39,219 --> 03:03:41,219
>> then

5474
03:03:41,221 --> 03:03:44,224
we'll close the public hearing at

5475
03:03:44,224 --> 03:03:45,225
this time. We'll go to the district

5476
03:03:45,225 --> 03:03:46,226
commissioner. Commissioner?

5477
03:03:46,226 --> 03:03:47,227
>> thank you,

5478
03:03:47,227 --> 03:03:48,228
mayor.

5479
03:03:48,228 --> 03:03:49,229
I move for the requested action.

5480
03:03:49,229 --> 03:03:50,230
>> we

5481
03:03:50,230 --> 03:03:51,231
have

5482
03:03:51,231 --> 03:03:52,232
a motion and a second. All in favor

5483
03:03:52,232 --> 03:03:54,234
let it be known by

5484
03:03:54,234 --> 03:03:56,634
saying aye? Opposed, no.

5485
03:03:57,237 --> 03:03:59,237
motion

5486
03:03:59,239 --> 03:04:00,240
passes. It is unanimous. All right.

5487
03:04:00,240 --> 03:04:02,240
we'll move

5488
03:04:03,243 --> 03:04:06,243
to the next item. We'll

5489
03:04:06,246 --> 03:04:09,846
open the public hearing on item

5490
03:04:10,250 --> 03:04:11,251
c-3. Our planning administrator will

5491
03:04:11,251 --> 03:04:12,219
be framing this item. You are recognized.

5492
03:04:12,219 --> 03:04:14,219
>> thank

5493
03:04:15,222 --> 03:04:18,822
you, mayor. This item is case

5494
03:04:21,228 --> 03:04:24,231
dp-25-03-057. Property is in

5495
03:04:24,231 --> 03:04:26,231
the quadrangle planned

5496
03:04:26,233 --> 03:04:27,234
development track 16w student housing

5497
03:04:27,234 --> 03:04:29,234
development plan.

5498
03:04:30,237 --> 03:04:33,240
request here is to develop a roughly

5499
03:04:33,240 --> 03:04:35,240
2.

5500
03:04:36,243 --> 03:04:37,244
38 acre site located to construct

5501
03:04:37,244 --> 03:04:39,244
a

5502
03:04:39,246 --> 03:04:41,646
student housing development with

5503
03:04:42,249 --> 03:04:44,649
approximately 447 bedrooms. Here we

5504
03:04:45,219 --> 03:04:47,219
have

5505
03:04:47,221 --> 03:04:48,222
the property and the map. It's a high density

5506
03:04:48,222 --> 03:04:50,622
residential, which allows student

5507
03:04:51,225 --> 03:04:53,225
housing

5508
03:04:53,227 --> 03:04:54,228
the property is zoned pd district.

5509
03:04:54,228 --> 03:04:56,228
the planned development

5510
03:04:57,231 --> 03:05:00,231
land use plan for this

5511
03:05:00,234 --> 03:05:01,235
property

5512
03:05:01,235 --> 03:05:02,236
specifically allows and recently approved I by this board for a

5513
03:05:02,236 --> 03:05:03,237
student housing development of this

5514
03:05:03,237 --> 03:05:06,237
size and scale. Here we

5515
03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:07,241
have aerial map showing the property

5516
03:05:07,241 --> 03:05:09,241
or subject

5517
03:05:09,243 --> 03:05:12,243
parcel is currently undeveloped surrounded

5518
03:05:12,246 --> 03:05:15,246
by a mixture of commercial,

5519
03:05:15,249 --> 03:05:17,649
office, and other student

5520
03:05:19,219 --> 03:05:20,220
housing uses

5521
03:05:20,220 --> 03:05:22,222
in the area. University of central florida

5522
03:05:22,222 --> 03:05:24,224
just off site to

5523
03:05:24,224 --> 03:05:25,225
the east there. Here we have the general site

5524
03:05:25,225 --> 03:05:26,226
plan. Again, request is for approval

5525
03:05:26,226 --> 03:05:28,226
of this

5526
03:05:28,228 --> 03:05:29,229
site

5527
03:05:29,229 --> 03:05:31,231
plan. This is coming to the board due

5528
03:05:31,231 --> 03:05:32,232
to the code requirement that all

5529
03:05:32,232 --> 03:05:34,234
student housing development plans

5530
03:05:34,234 --> 03:05:36,234
receive

5531
03:05:37,237 --> 03:05:38,238
final consideration

5532
03:05:38,238 --> 03:05:39,239
of approval by the board of county commissioners.

5533
03:05:39,239 --> 03:05:40,240
however, again, this board has previously

5534
03:05:40,240 --> 03:05:41,241
proved the land use and zoning changes to allow for

5535
03:05:41,241 --> 03:05:43,241
this specific development.

5536
03:05:46,246 --> 03:05:48,246
so with that,

5537
03:05:48,248 --> 03:05:49,249
recommendation is to make a consistency with the

5538
03:05:49,249 --> 03:05:51,249
comprehensive plan

5539
03:05:52,219 --> 03:05:53,220
and approve the tract 16ben

5540
03:05:53,220 --> 03:05:55,222
student housing development plan subject

5541
03:05:55,222 --> 03:05:57,222
to the

5542
03:05:58,225 --> 03:06:00,227
conditions listed under the recommendations

5543
03:06:00,227 --> 03:06:01,228
of staff. They are available for questions.

5544
03:06:01,228 --> 03:06:03,228
>> all

5545
03:06:04,231 --> 03:06:06,231
right.

5546
03:06:06,233 --> 03:06:07,234
thank you, sir. Is the applicant on this

5547
03:06:07,234 --> 03:06:08,235
item

5548
03:06:08,235 --> 03:06:10,237
present? All right. She's coming forward.

5549
03:06:10,237 --> 03:06:11,238
>>

5550
03:06:11,238 --> 03:06:13,240
rebecca wilson, here on behalf of

5551
03:06:13,240 --> 03:06:15,240
the applicant. Happy

5552
03:06:15,242 --> 03:06:16,243
to answer any questions you all may

5553
03:06:16,243 --> 03:06:18,243
have.

5554
03:06:18,245 --> 03:06:20,247
nick is right. We have to bring each

5555
03:06:20,247 --> 03:06:22,249
one of these student housing projects

5556
03:06:22,249 --> 03:06:24,251
three times. That's why you keep

5557
03:06:24,251 --> 03:06:25,219
seeing me up here. I appreciate it.

5558
03:06:25,219 --> 03:06:27,219
>> all right.

5559
03:06:28,222 --> 03:06:31,225
if you'll standby for a moment.

5560
03:06:31,225 --> 03:06:32,226
do we have

5561
03:06:32,226 --> 03:06:33,227
members of the public present that wish to be hear on

5562
03:06:33,227 --> 03:06:34,228
this item?

5563
03:06:34,228 --> 03:06:35,229
>> we have no speakers.

5564
03:06:35,229 --> 03:06:37,231
>> we'll close the public hearing.

5565
03:06:37,231 --> 03:06:40,231
we'll go to the district

5566
03:06:40,234 --> 03:06:41,235
commissioner, commissioner

5567
03:06:41,235 --> 03:06:42,236
wilson for a potential motion.

5568
03:06:42,236 --> 03:06:43,237
>>

5569
03:06:43,237 --> 03:06:46,237
I would be happy to

5570
03:06:46,240 --> 03:06:47,241
second.

5571
03:06:47,241 --> 03:06:49,241
>> thank

5572
03:06:49,243 --> 03:06:51,243
you, mayor.

5573
03:06:52,246 --> 03:06:53,247
thank you.

5574
03:06:53,247 --> 03:06:55,249
I just need to say on the record for

5575
03:06:55,249 --> 03:06:58,249
our quad rang until that

5576
03:06:58,252 --> 03:07:00,252
area. We

5577
03:07:01,221 --> 03:07:02,222
have businesses that

5578
03:07:02,222 --> 03:07:04,224
are there. If you speak to research park,

5579
03:07:04,224 --> 03:07:06,224
they are not

5580
03:07:06,226 --> 03:07:07,227
digging all the student housing. I know there's a lot of

5581
03:07:07,227 --> 03:07:09,227
variables that play

5582
03:07:10,230 --> 03:07:12,230
into a company

5583
03:07:12,232 --> 03:07:13,233
choosing to relocate, but it was an area that's for

5584
03:07:13,233 --> 03:07:16,236
mixed use. I know I said

5585
03:07:16,236 --> 03:07:18,236
this last

5586
03:07:18,238 --> 03:07:19,239
time. I want to say it again. We have to move away from the

5587
03:07:19,239 --> 03:07:20,240
concrete block of student housing and use

5588
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:22,240
the

5589
03:07:22,242 --> 03:07:24,244
land in the most economically impactful

5590
03:07:24,244 --> 03:07:27,244
way. Losing businesses because of

5591
03:07:28,248 --> 03:07:30,248
student

5592
03:07:31,251 --> 03:07:34,221
housing moving in is --

5593
03:07:34,221 --> 03:07:36,221
they are moving.

5594
03:07:36,223 --> 03:07:37,224
so it's concerning. I'm looking forward to

5595
03:07:37,224 --> 03:07:39,224
seeing mixed

5596
03:07:40,227 --> 03:07:43,230
use coming in in the future. I

5597
03:07:43,230 --> 03:07:45,232
have communicated that with nick and team and everybody.

5598
03:07:45,232 --> 03:07:46,233
I move for requested action. Thank you.

5599
03:07:46,233 --> 03:07:48,233
>> all right.

5600
03:07:49,236 --> 03:07:52,236
we have a motion I

5601
03:07:52,239 --> 03:07:53,240
by

5602
03:07:53,240 --> 03:07:55,242
commissioner. Seconded by scott. All in favor let it be

5603
03:07:55,242 --> 03:07:57,244
known by saying aye.

5604
03:07:57,244 --> 03:08:00,844
motion passes. It is unanimous. All

5605
03:08:02,249 --> 03:08:03,250
right. We'll move to the next sum.

5606
03:08:03,250 --> 03:08:04,251
this is d-4. We'll open the public

5607
03:08:04,251 --> 03:08:06,651
hearing on this item.

5608
03:08:07,221 --> 03:08:09,223
we're going to call on

5609
03:08:09,223 --> 03:08:10,224
the assistant project manager from

5610
03:08:10,224 --> 03:08:12,224
our zoning division.

5611
03:08:12,226 --> 03:08:16,230
he'll come forward to frame this item.

5612
03:08:16,230 --> 03:08:18,230
you're

5613
03:08:19,233 --> 03:08:20,234
recognized.

5614
03:08:20,234 --> 03:08:21,235
>> thank you, mayor.

5615
03:08:21,235 --> 03:08:22,236
I'm james gray, assistant project

5616
03:08:22,236 --> 03:08:24,236
manager

5617
03:08:25,239 --> 03:08:27,239
with

5618
03:08:28,242 --> 03:08:30,242
the zoning division.

5619
03:08:33,247 --> 03:08:34,248
here today with the zoning manager.

5620
03:08:34,248 --> 03:08:36,248
ift of

5621
03:08:36,250 --> 03:08:37,251
representatives from the florida association

5622
03:08:37,251 --> 03:08:39,219
of ror ri here

5623
03:08:39,219 --> 03:08:40,220
as well. And representatives from

5624
03:08:40,220 --> 03:08:42,620
code compliance. I don't

5625
03:08:43,223 --> 03:08:45,225
know if we have a representative

5626
03:08:45,225 --> 03:08:46,226
from orange county sheriffs office here, but

5627
03:08:46,226 --> 03:08:48,226
all

5628
03:08:48,228 --> 03:08:53,628
of us are available to answer questions later on.

5629
03:08:54,234 --> 03:08:55,235
looking today to propose some chapter

5630
03:08:55,235 --> 03:08:57,235
38

5631
03:08:58,238 --> 03:09:00,238
zoning code

5632
03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:01,241
amendments to bring the county into

5633
03:09:01,241 --> 03:09:03,241
compliance

5634
03:09:04,244 --> 03:09:06,246
with the senate bill 564,

5635
03:09:06,246 --> 03:09:07,247
which requires the county and all

5636
03:09:07,247 --> 03:09:09,247
counties and

5637
03:09:10,250 --> 03:09:12,219
jurisdictions within florida

5638
03:09:12,219 --> 03:09:13,220
to adopt a standard process for reasonable accommodation

5639
03:09:13,220 --> 03:09:15,220
requests.

5640
03:09:20,227 --> 03:09:22,229
just looking for that power point.

5641
03:09:22,229 --> 03:09:24,629
>> so james, is this

5642
03:09:25,232 --> 03:09:26,233
the first time --

5643
03:09:26,233 --> 03:09:27,234
>> I have, yes.

5644
03:09:27,234 --> 03:09:28,235
it's my first time here in front of

5645
03:09:28,235 --> 03:09:29,236
the bcc.

5646
03:09:29,236 --> 03:09:30,237
>> that's what I thought.

5647
03:09:30,237 --> 03:09:32,237
welcome, james.

5648
03:09:32,239 --> 03:09:36,439
>> thank you. >> it won't be your last.

5649
03:09:41,248 --> 03:09:43,250
it has nothing to do with the fact that the powerpoint won't

5650
03:09:43,250 --> 03:09:45,250
come up.

5651
03:09:55,229 --> 03:09:56,230
how long have you been in

5652
03:09:56,230 --> 03:09:57,231
zoning?

5653
03:09:57,231 --> 03:09:58,232
>> zoning, about three and a

5654
03:09:58,232 --> 03:09:59,233
half years.

5655
03:09:59,233 --> 03:10:00,234
>> so you've been around.

5656
03:10:00,234 --> 03:10:01,235
>> then I was in planning for about six months.

5657
03:10:01,235 --> 03:10:03,235
>> all right.

5658
03:10:07,241 --> 03:10:08,242
you're relatively poised. Usually the first time

5659
03:10:08,242 --> 03:10:10,242
people come to

5660
03:10:10,244 --> 03:10:11,245
the board of county commissioners, they

5661
03:10:11,245 --> 03:10:12,246
are really

5662
03:10:12,246 --> 03:10:13,247
nervous.

5663
03:10:13,247 --> 03:10:16,847
>> I will say I'm not nervous.

5664
03:10:20,220 --> 03:10:22,220
>> all right.

5665
03:10:23,223 --> 03:10:26,226
so there we go. We have

5666
03:10:26,226 --> 03:10:27,227
a

5667
03:10:27,227 --> 03:10:28,228
powerpoint.

5668
03:10:28,228 --> 03:10:29,229
>> okay. Once again, just to

5669
03:10:29,229 --> 03:10:31,229
address the requirements

5670
03:10:32,232 --> 03:10:34,232
of senate bill 954

5671
03:10:34,234 --> 03:10:35,235
reasonable accommodations that was

5672
03:10:35,235 --> 03:10:37,235
effective

5673
03:10:38,238 --> 03:10:40,238
as of july

5674
03:10:41,241 --> 03:10:43,641
of this year. So

5675
03:10:44,244 --> 03:10:46,246
we'll look at some

5676
03:10:46,246 --> 03:10:47,247
background of senate bill 954 requirements.

5677
03:10:47,247 --> 03:10:49,647
proposed chapter 38 amendments to

5678
03:10:50,250 --> 03:10:51,251
meet those

5679
03:10:51,251 --> 03:10:53,220
requirements, and then the requested

5680
03:10:53,220 --> 03:10:55,220
action. Senate bill 954

5681
03:10:56,223 --> 03:10:57,224
was

5682
03:10:57,224 --> 03:10:59,226
effective on july 1st of this year.

5683
03:10:59,226 --> 03:11:00,227
it amends section 397. 487 of

5684
03:11:00,227 --> 03:11:02,229
florida statutes, which deal with

5685
03:11:02,229 --> 03:11:04,229
substance abuse services.

5686
03:11:05,232 --> 03:11:06,233
it requires jurisdictions to

5687
03:11:06,233 --> 03:11:08,235
adopt an ordinance to establish proceed

5688
03:11:08,235 --> 03:11:09,236
juries for the

5689
03:11:09,236 --> 03:11:11,238
review and approval of reasonable

5690
03:11:11,238 --> 03:11:13,238
acome requests for

5691
03:11:14,241 --> 03:11:16,241
certified recovery residences

5692
03:11:17,244 --> 03:11:18,245
by january 1st, 2026.

5693
03:11:18,245 --> 03:11:20,247
it's important to note here that the

5694
03:11:20,247 --> 03:11:22,247
senate bill

5695
03:11:23,250 --> 03:11:24,251
is

5696
03:11:24,251 --> 03:11:25,252
addressing reasonable accommodations and

5697
03:11:25,252 --> 03:11:26,220
only addresses them with regard to

5698
03:11:26,220 --> 03:11:28,220
certified recovery residences.

5699
03:11:28,222 --> 03:11:29,223
but what you're going to see here

5700
03:11:29,223 --> 03:11:30,224
is there's two

5701
03:11:30,224 --> 03:11:32,226
distinct concepts at work. There's

5702
03:11:32,226 --> 03:11:33,227
that of the

5703
03:11:33,227 --> 03:11:35,229
reasonable accommodation and that of

5704
03:11:35,229 --> 03:11:37,229
recovery of residences.

5705
03:11:41,235 --> 03:11:44,238
so what is a recovery residence?

5706
03:11:44,238 --> 03:11:47,241
commonly referred to as a sober living

5707
03:11:47,241 --> 03:11:49,241
facility,

5708
03:11:49,243 --> 03:11:50,244
where individuals live together as a

5709
03:11:50,244 --> 03:11:51,245
family and receive off-site treatment for substance

5710
03:11:51,245 --> 03:11:52,246
abuse disorders.

5711
03:11:52,246 --> 03:11:53,247
they provide housing to a protected

5712
03:11:53,247 --> 03:11:54,248
class, so

5713
03:11:54,248 --> 03:11:56,250
all residents are considered to have

5714
03:11:56,250 --> 03:11:58,650
a disability under the

5715
03:11:59,219 --> 03:12:02,222
fair housing act and the americans

5716
03:12:02,222 --> 03:12:04,622
with disabilities act, ada.

5717
03:12:05,225 --> 03:12:08,228
so they get all of the same

5718
03:12:08,228 --> 03:12:11,228
rights, all of the same

5719
03:12:11,231 --> 03:12:13,631
considerations that somebody who

5720
03:12:14,234 --> 03:12:15,235
relies on a wheelchair for

5721
03:12:15,235 --> 03:12:17,237
mobility, somebody on dialysis, somebody

5722
03:12:17,237 --> 03:12:18,238
with

5723
03:12:18,238 --> 03:12:19,239
vision impairment, all of those same rights.

5724
03:12:19,239 --> 03:12:22,239
local jurisdictions under this bill

5725
03:12:23,243 --> 03:12:25,245
are limited in how

5726
03:12:25,245 --> 03:12:26,246
they regulate and we're limited because

5727
03:12:26,246 --> 03:12:28,246
you're dealing

5728
03:12:29,249 --> 03:12:30,250
with a protected class here. And these

5729
03:12:30,250 --> 03:12:32,219
facilities

5730
03:12:32,219 --> 03:12:35,219
are commonly located in single-family

5731
03:12:35,222 --> 03:12:37,222
homes in

5732
03:12:38,225 --> 03:12:40,225
residential areas

5733
03:12:40,227 --> 03:12:41,228
and neighborhoods. Contrast that against a

5734
03:12:41,228 --> 03:12:42,229
certified recovery residence, a recovery

5735
03:12:42,229 --> 03:12:44,229
residence

5736
03:12:44,231 --> 03:12:45,232
that holds a

5737
03:12:45,232 --> 03:12:47,234
valid certificate of compliance and is actively managed by a

5738
03:12:47,234 --> 03:12:49,234
certified recovery

5739
03:12:50,237 --> 03:12:51,238
residence administrator.

5740
03:12:51,238 --> 03:12:53,240
certification is encouraged by the starkts but it is

5741
03:12:53,240 --> 03:12:55,240
not mandatory. Certification

5742
03:12:56,243 --> 03:12:57,244
is

5743
03:12:57,244 --> 03:12:59,246
also conducted through the florida association

5744
03:12:59,246 --> 03:13:01,246
of recovery residences.

5745
03:13:02,249 --> 03:13:04,251
and farr is the sole

5746
03:13:04,251 --> 03:13:05,252
organization that certifies recovery

5747
03:13:05,252 --> 03:13:07,252
residences in

5748
03:13:08,222 --> 03:13:10,224
florida. With regard to reasonable

5749
03:13:10,224 --> 03:13:12,624
accommodation requests, these requests

5750
03:13:14,228 --> 03:13:16,228
can cover a

5751
03:13:17,231 --> 03:13:18,232
variety of circumstances. We have the one for recovery

5752
03:13:18,232 --> 03:13:19,233
residences, which address how the residents

5753
03:13:19,233 --> 03:13:20,234
of a ror ri residence are a family

5754
03:13:20,234 --> 03:13:22,234
despite

5755
03:13:23,237 --> 03:13:24,238
not meeting

5756
03:13:24,238 --> 03:13:26,240
the code definitions. A code definition

5757
03:13:26,240 --> 03:13:29,240
provides that a family is

5758
03:13:29,243 --> 03:13:30,244
two or more related people related

5759
03:13:30,244 --> 03:13:31,245
through

5760
03:13:31,245 --> 03:13:32,246
blood, marriage, adoption, or no more

5761
03:13:32,246 --> 03:13:34,246
than

5762
03:13:35,249 --> 03:13:37,249
four

5763
03:13:38,252 --> 03:13:40,252
unrelated

5764
03:13:41,221 --> 03:13:42,222
people.

5765
03:13:42,222 --> 03:13:43,223
typically, the request for accommodation in these

5766
03:13:43,223 --> 03:13:44,224
situations is to treat the residents as a family the

5767
03:13:44,224 --> 03:13:46,226
same way we would address

5768
03:13:46,226 --> 03:13:47,227
any other single family. It allows

5769
03:13:47,227 --> 03:13:49,227
a a

5770
03:13:49,229 --> 03:13:50,230
greater number of unrelated people

5771
03:13:50,230 --> 03:13:52,232
to dwell together in

5772
03:13:52,232 --> 03:13:55,832
a single home than would otherwise

5773
03:13:56,236 --> 03:13:57,237
be permitted by code. We also get requests for

5774
03:13:57,237 --> 03:13:59,237
emotional support

5775
03:13:59,239 --> 03:14:00,240
animals,

5776
03:14:00,240 --> 03:14:01,241
which allows for types of animals to

5777
03:14:01,241 --> 03:14:04,244
be located on a property where they

5778
03:14:04,244 --> 03:14:05,245
may not be otherwise be permitted by code.

5779
03:14:05,245 --> 03:14:06,246
this applies also

5780
03:14:06,246 --> 03:14:08,248
to development standard variances.

5781
03:14:08,248 --> 03:14:11,248
if somebody needs to put

5782
03:14:11,251 --> 03:14:12,252
up a

5783
03:14:12,252 --> 03:14:13,220
wheelchair ramp it might encroach into the setback, a

5784
03:14:13,220 --> 03:14:17,420
reasonable accommodation would cover that as well.

5785
03:14:20,227 --> 03:14:23,230
the current process, which is not

5786
03:14:23,230 --> 03:14:26,230
codified, but it is the

5787
03:14:26,233 --> 03:14:29,236
process that we currently have requires a cover letter

5788
03:14:29,236 --> 03:14:30,237
that

5789
03:14:30,237 --> 03:14:32,239
states the nature and purpose of the reasonable accommodation.

5790
03:14:32,239 --> 03:14:35,242
what is it and why do you need

5791
03:14:35,242 --> 03:14:38,245
it. Depending on the request, there

5792
03:14:38,245 --> 03:14:40,245
might be additional

5793
03:14:40,247 --> 03:14:41,248
documentation such as a floor plan, a letter from a health

5794
03:14:41,248 --> 03:14:42,249
care practitioner, proof of compliance

5795
03:14:42,249 --> 03:14:43,250
with the state and

5796
03:14:43,250 --> 03:14:44,251
local requirements for licensing and

5797
03:14:44,251 --> 03:14:46,251
vaccinating

5798
03:14:47,221 --> 03:14:49,221
each emotional support

5799
03:14:50,224 --> 03:14:52,224
animal.

5800
03:14:52,226 --> 03:14:53,227
those requests then go to the zoning

5801
03:14:53,227 --> 03:14:56,230
manager or the county attorney's office

5802
03:14:56,230 --> 03:14:58,230
to review the

5803
03:14:59,233 --> 03:15:00,234
request and for compliance with the fha and ada.

5804
03:15:00,234 --> 03:15:02,236
the zoning manager then issues a letter approving or denying the

5805
03:15:02,236 --> 03:15:04,236
request.

5806
03:15:08,242 --> 03:15:10,242
senate

5807
03:15:11,245 --> 03:15:12,246
bill 954 requires the

5808
03:15:12,246 --> 03:15:14,248
county to adopt an ordinance establishing procedures for the

5809
03:15:14,248 --> 03:15:15,249
review and approval of reasonable

5810
03:15:15,249 --> 03:15:17,249
accommodations. It

5811
03:15:17,251 --> 03:15:19,251
only addresses certified

5812
03:15:20,220 --> 03:15:22,220
recovery residences only.

5813
03:15:26,226 --> 03:15:27,227
it must through this bill establish

5814
03:15:27,227 --> 03:15:29,227
a

5815
03:15:29,229 --> 03:15:30,230
written

5816
03:15:30,230 --> 03:15:31,231
application process. The process may not require

5817
03:15:31,231 --> 03:15:32,232
public hearings required by law and

5818
03:15:32,232 --> 03:15:34,232
requires kipt sit

5819
03:15:35,235 --> 03:15:36,236
with the fair housing amendments act and

5820
03:15:36,236 --> 03:15:38,236
the ada.

5821
03:15:38,238 --> 03:15:40,238
so here

5822
03:15:41,241 --> 03:15:43,641
are the proposed chapter 38

5823
03:15:44,244 --> 03:15:47,244
amendments. To amend section 38-140

5824
03:15:47,247 --> 03:15:50,250
, which is reserved vacant, to add

5825
03:15:50,250 --> 03:15:51,251
a reasonable accommodation process,

5826
03:15:51,251 --> 03:15:52,252
which

5827
03:15:52,252 --> 03:15:54,221
includes recovery residences, emotional

5828
03:15:54,221 --> 03:15:56,223
support animals, and any other

5829
03:15:56,223 --> 03:15:58,623
requests for reasonable accommodations.

5830
03:15:59,226 --> 03:16:02,229
so the proposed ordinance does not

5831
03:16:02,229 --> 03:16:03,230
only address those certified recovery

5832
03:16:03,230 --> 03:16:05,230
residences.

5833
03:16:06,233 --> 03:16:09,236
it does require certificate fate fist indication or documentation

5834
03:16:09,236 --> 03:16:11,236
for recovery residences.

5835
03:16:11,238 --> 03:16:12,239
it prohibits fees associated with the request or appeal, but

5836
03:16:12,239 --> 03:16:13,240
it does

5837
03:16:13,240 --> 03:16:14,241
establish an appeal process because

5838
03:16:14,241 --> 03:16:17,241
it's a zoning manager determination

5839
03:16:17,244 --> 03:16:18,245
that would go through the board of

5840
03:16:18,245 --> 03:16:20,245
zoning adjustment

5841
03:16:21,248 --> 03:16:22,249
that

5842
03:16:22,249 --> 03:16:23,250
would be a public hearing, but for the

5843
03:16:23,250 --> 03:16:24,251
appeal only. The process would largely follow

5844
03:16:24,251 --> 03:16:26,251
our existing unofficial

5845
03:16:27,221 --> 03:16:28,222
process. So this is not adding a

5846
03:16:28,222 --> 03:16:30,224
new use or anything like that. It's just codifying what we're

5847
03:16:30,224 --> 03:16:32,224
already doing.

5848
03:16:35,229 --> 03:16:36,230
pzc hearing on november 20th, there was

5849
03:16:36,230 --> 03:16:37,231
the

5850
03:16:37,231 --> 03:16:39,233
ordinance recommended for approval

5851
03:16:39,233 --> 03:16:41,233
unanimously

5852
03:16:41,235 --> 03:16:45,239
with no changes. And the next steps,

5853
03:16:45,239 --> 03:16:46,240
january

5854
03:16:46,240 --> 03:16:48,242
1st, 2026, is the effective date of

5855
03:16:48,242 --> 03:16:50,242
the ordinance. That

5856
03:16:51,245 --> 03:16:52,246
concludes the presentation. I am here and everybody else I

5857
03:16:52,246 --> 03:16:53,247
mentioned before is also here to

5858
03:16:53,247 --> 03:16:56,847
answer any questions you may have.

5859
03:16:57,251 --> 03:16:59,219
>> all right.

5860
03:16:59,219 --> 03:17:00,220
standby, james. Do we have anyone

5861
03:17:00,220 --> 03:17:02,222
from the public present?

5862
03:17:02,222 --> 03:17:03,223
>> we have no speakers registered

5863
03:17:03,223 --> 03:17:05,223
for this item.

5864
03:17:06,226 --> 03:17:08,226
>> all right. Then

5865
03:17:09,229 --> 03:17:12,229
we'll close the public hearing

5866
03:17:12,232 --> 03:17:14,232
portion. Before I

5867
03:17:15,235 --> 03:17:18,235
go to commissioner for a

5868
03:17:18,238 --> 03:17:19,239
motion,

5869
03:17:19,239 --> 03:17:21,241
I'll entertain questions or comments from

5870
03:17:21,241 --> 03:17:22,242
the board.

5871
03:17:22,242 --> 03:17:23,243
>> thank you.

5872
03:17:23,243 --> 03:17:24,244
I have a question. Thank you so much

5873
03:17:24,244 --> 03:17:26,244
for

5874
03:17:27,247 --> 03:17:29,247
the presentation.

5875
03:17:30,250 --> 03:17:32,250
I have a

5876
03:17:33,220 --> 03:17:34,221
simple question. Okay. How is the county working to

5877
03:17:34,221 --> 03:17:36,223
make sure these changes don't cause

5878
03:17:36,223 --> 03:17:38,623
any delays to project

5879
03:17:39,226 --> 03:17:40,227
getting approved since there are

5880
03:17:40,227 --> 03:17:42,229
already developers feel like it takes too

5881
03:17:42,229 --> 03:17:43,230
long?

5882
03:17:43,230 --> 03:17:44,231
>>

5883
03:17:44,231 --> 03:17:45,232
I don't know I understand the question.

5884
03:17:45,232 --> 03:17:47,232
>> with

5885
03:17:48,235 --> 03:17:50,235
all the

5886
03:17:50,237 --> 03:17:51,238
changes, will this be --what will

5887
03:17:51,238 --> 03:17:53,238
cause

5888
03:17:54,241 --> 03:17:55,242
delay in the projects?

5889
03:17:55,242 --> 03:17:56,243
>> so commissioner,

5890
03:17:56,243 --> 03:17:57,244
I think that your question is maybe

5891
03:17:57,244 --> 03:17:59,244
somewhat

5892
03:18:00,247 --> 03:18:02,249
unrelated to the ordinance

5893
03:18:02,249 --> 03:18:03,250
itself. So this isn't really going

5894
03:18:03,250 --> 03:18:05,250
to impact any

5895
03:18:05,252 --> 03:18:06,220
developers at all. Typically what

5896
03:18:06,220 --> 03:18:09,220
we get for reasonable accommodations

5897
03:18:09,223 --> 03:18:11,223
are

5898
03:18:11,225 --> 03:18:12,226
existing single-family homes wrrks a business just want thes

5899
03:18:12,226 --> 03:18:14,228
to move in and operate a

5900
03:18:14,228 --> 03:18:17,228
recovery residence in those single-

5901
03:18:18,232 --> 03:18:20,232
family

5902
03:18:20,234 --> 03:18:21,235
homes. This actually is an administrative process.

5903
03:18:21,235 --> 03:18:24,238
so if anything, it's going to make the process

5904
03:18:24,238 --> 03:18:26,238
faster. There's no

5905
03:18:26,240 --> 03:18:27,241
public hearing process. All of that.

5906
03:18:27,241 --> 03:18:28,242
does that answer your question?

5907
03:18:28,242 --> 03:18:30,242
>> yes, thank you.

5908
03:18:33,247 --> 03:18:35,247
>> all right. Commissioner?

5909
03:18:36,250 --> 03:18:38,650
>> how are we currently

5910
03:18:39,253 --> 03:18:40,220
handling these? We have always been

5911
03:18:40,220 --> 03:18:42,220
very

5912
03:18:42,222 --> 03:18:43,223
responsive to assist people who may

5913
03:18:43,223 --> 03:18:45,223
need

5914
03:18:45,225 --> 03:18:46,226
help.

5915
03:18:46,226 --> 03:18:48,228
I have known you fwies have got on the phone with

5916
03:18:48,228 --> 03:18:51,228
applicants and people. Is this

5917
03:18:51,231 --> 03:18:52,232
something extraordinary for us.

5918
03:18:52,232 --> 03:18:58,832
I know someone with an emotional animal and they got help.

5919
03:19:00,240 --> 03:19:01,241
currently, we're already

5920
03:19:01,241 --> 03:19:03,243
helping individuals that may need

5921
03:19:03,243 --> 03:19:04,244
some

5922
03:19:04,244 --> 03:19:06,246
additional systems who are like that.

5923
03:19:06,246 --> 03:19:07,247
if you could share more.

5924
03:19:07,247 --> 03:19:09,247
>>

5925
03:19:09,249 --> 03:19:12,252
yeah we are. In the last three

5926
03:19:12,252 --> 03:19:15,222
years, we have had 12 or 13 requests

5927
03:19:15,222 --> 03:19:17,622
for reasonable accommodation for

5928
03:19:18,225 --> 03:19:20,625
certified recovery residences. We're

5929
03:19:21,228 --> 03:19:22,229
also evaluating the reasonable accommodation

5930
03:19:22,229 --> 03:19:24,229
request

5931
03:19:24,231 --> 03:19:26,233
for the emotional support animals.

5932
03:19:26,233 --> 03:19:27,234
those don't always get approved depending

5933
03:19:27,234 --> 03:19:29,234
on the

5934
03:19:30,237 --> 03:19:32,237
animal, but with

5935
03:19:33,240 --> 03:19:35,240
the

5936
03:19:42,249 --> 03:19:44,249
certified

5937
03:19:45,252 --> 03:19:46,220
recovery residences, 13 approved in the

5938
03:19:46,220 --> 03:19:47,221
last three years.

5939
03:19:47,221 --> 03:19:48,222
there are the not certified recovery residences as well.

5940
03:19:48,222 --> 03:19:49,223
sometimes they don't come in the way they should depending on how

5941
03:19:49,223 --> 03:19:50,224
the house. This is something we're

5942
03:19:50,224 --> 03:19:51,225
already doing.

5943
03:19:51,225 --> 03:19:52,226
all this bill is requiring is to actually

5944
03:19:52,226 --> 03:19:53,227
put it in

5945
03:19:53,227 --> 03:19:54,228
the code the process.

5946
03:19:54,228 --> 03:19:55,229
>> that's what I

5947
03:19:55,229 --> 03:19:57,229
was getting

5948
03:19:57,231 --> 03:19:58,232
at. I was always known us to be very

5949
03:19:58,232 --> 03:20:00,232
responsive to

5950
03:20:00,234 --> 03:20:03,234
people who need assistance. And

5951
03:20:03,237 --> 03:20:04,238
I know the commissioner asked if it's going to change

5952
03:20:04,238 --> 03:20:05,239
anything in the process. You said it

5953
03:20:05,239 --> 03:20:06,240
actually would help move this along.

5954
03:20:06,240 --> 03:20:08,240
so would a

5955
03:20:08,242 --> 03:20:09,243
person have to come and identify themselves

5956
03:20:09,243 --> 03:20:11,243
as

5957
03:20:12,246 --> 03:20:13,247
needing

5958
03:20:13,247 --> 03:20:14,248
special accommodations? Can you run us through a

5959
03:20:14,248 --> 03:20:15,249
typical scenario of a constituent

5960
03:20:15,249 --> 03:20:17,249
that would

5961
03:20:18,252 --> 03:20:19,253
be coming in?

5962
03:20:19,253 --> 03:20:20,220
>> sure. The only ones that I

5963
03:20:20,220 --> 03:20:21,221
have received since I have worked

5964
03:20:21,221 --> 03:20:23,221
here a little

5965
03:20:24,224 --> 03:20:26,226
over eight years are requests

5966
03:20:26,226 --> 03:20:27,227
for emotional support animals or requesting

5967
03:20:27,227 --> 03:20:29,227
for

5968
03:20:30,230 --> 03:20:32,230
recovery

5969
03:20:33,233 --> 03:20:36,233
residences. And usually it starts

5970
03:20:36,236 --> 03:20:38,236
with the code

5971
03:20:38,238 --> 03:20:39,239
of compliance. Someone calls in and says my

5972
03:20:39,239 --> 03:20:40,240
neighbor has a goat or a chicken or

5973
03:20:40,240 --> 03:20:42,240
whatever.

5974
03:20:42,242 --> 03:20:43,243
and they say this is my emotional

5975
03:20:43,243 --> 03:20:45,243
support

5976
03:20:45,245 --> 03:20:46,246
animal. If you're asking

5977
03:20:46,246 --> 03:20:48,248
for reasonable accommodation, you

5978
03:20:48,248 --> 03:20:50,248
need

5979
03:20:51,251 --> 03:20:52,252
to submit the documentation as a result of that.

5980
03:20:52,252 --> 03:20:53,220
so we ask them to send a letter in

5981
03:20:53,220 --> 03:20:54,221
to

5982
03:20:54,221 --> 03:20:56,221
me explaining

5983
03:20:56,223 --> 03:20:57,224
what they are asking for in the case of

5984
03:20:57,224 --> 03:21:00,224
emotional support animals, we ask

5985
03:21:00,227 --> 03:21:02,627
that they identify what

5986
03:21:03,230 --> 03:21:06,233
each animal -- we ask that a health

5987
03:21:06,233 --> 03:21:07,234
care practitioner identifies what

5988
03:21:07,234 --> 03:21:08,235
each animal does

5989
03:21:08,235 --> 03:21:10,237
for the individual. Each animal has

5990
03:21:10,237 --> 03:21:11,238
to be an

5991
03:21:11,238 --> 03:21:13,240
emotional support animal for that

5992
03:21:13,240 --> 03:21:15,240
person. It

5993
03:21:16,243 --> 03:21:17,244
can't

5994
03:21:17,244 --> 03:21:18,245
just be I have 50 chickens and I want to have them

5995
03:21:18,245 --> 03:21:19,246
all. So the practitioner has to specifically

5996
03:21:19,246 --> 03:21:21,246
outline

5997
03:21:22,249 --> 03:21:24,649
typically the animals have

5998
03:21:27,221 --> 03:21:30,821
names. Usually they are cute. And

5999
03:21:31,225 --> 03:21:32,226
so

6000
03:21:32,226 --> 03:21:34,228
they outline what chuck does for the individual, and

6001
03:21:34,228 --> 03:21:35,229
then I consult with the county

6002
03:21:35,229 --> 03:21:37,231
attorney's office to confirm they

6003
03:21:37,231 --> 03:21:39,231
are meeting those

6004
03:21:39,233 --> 03:21:42,833
standards of the fair housing act.

6005
03:21:43,237 --> 03:21:45,239
and then I write them a letter

6006
03:21:45,239 --> 03:21:46,240
back saying we're giving you this reasonable accommodation.

6007
03:21:46,240 --> 03:21:48,240
with recovery

6008
03:21:48,242 --> 03:21:49,243
residences, it's typically a similar

6009
03:21:49,243 --> 03:21:51,243
thing where either

6010
03:21:52,246 --> 03:21:53,247
someone

6011
03:21:53,247 --> 03:21:55,249
just knows if it's a company that's done it

6012
03:21:55,249 --> 03:21:56,250
before

6013
03:21:56,250 --> 03:21:57,251
they come in and ask. Then it's a similar thing.

6014
03:21:57,251 --> 03:21:59,253
they provide a letter. They provide

6015
03:21:59,253 --> 03:22:01,221
us documentation. And then I consult

6016
03:22:01,221 --> 03:22:03,621
with the county attorney's

6017
03:22:04,224 --> 03:22:06,226
office and we write them

6018
03:22:06,226 --> 03:22:09,229
a letter backing. The difference here is we're

6019
03:22:09,229 --> 03:22:10,230
codifying the process so that people actually know there is a

6020
03:22:10,230 --> 03:22:11,231
process.

6021
03:22:11,231 --> 03:22:12,232
so before it was kind of like, oh,

6022
03:22:12,232 --> 03:22:13,233
I don't know what to do or how to

6023
03:22:13,233 --> 03:22:15,233
do it

6024
03:22:15,235 --> 03:22:16,236
or whatever. We're actually putting it in

6025
03:22:16,236 --> 03:22:18,236
the code

6026
03:22:18,238 --> 03:22:19,239
now so it's clear for anyone who might

6027
03:22:19,239 --> 03:22:20,240
want the to

6028
03:22:20,240 --> 03:22:21,241
utilize that process.

6029
03:22:21,241 --> 03:22:22,242
>> perfect.

6030
03:22:22,242 --> 03:22:24,242
thank you.

6031
03:22:26,246 --> 03:22:28,248
>> just while I'm here, one point of clarification.

6032
03:22:28,248 --> 03:22:30,250
the effective date of

6033
03:22:30,250 --> 03:22:31,251
the ordinance is not january 1st.

6034
03:22:31,251 --> 03:22:32,252
it will

6035
03:22:32,252 --> 03:22:34,221
likely become effective prior to january

6036
03:22:34,221 --> 03:22:36,221
1st. I'm guessing

6037
03:22:37,224 --> 03:22:39,224
about 10

6038
03:22:39,226 --> 03:22:40,227
to 15 days after the adoption of the public

6039
03:22:40,227 --> 03:22:41,228
hearing. Once we receive it from the

6040
03:22:41,228 --> 03:22:42,229
state,

6041
03:22:42,229 --> 03:22:46,429
but I think it's about 10 to 15 days.

6042
03:22:49,236 --> 03:22:51,236
>> commissioner scott?

6043
03:22:51,238 --> 03:22:55,242
>> I just had a quick question. If

6044
03:22:55,242 --> 03:22:57,242
someone made a

6045
03:22:58,245 --> 03:23:00,245
complaint reference to

6046
03:23:01,248 --> 03:23:02,249
code violation,

6047
03:23:02,249 --> 03:23:04,251
you were going to investigate and

6048
03:23:04,251 --> 03:23:06,220
meet with the practitioner or thought

6049
03:23:06,220 --> 03:23:09,220
the appropriate paperwork gets approved.

6050
03:23:10,224 --> 03:23:11,225
what

6051
03:23:11,225 --> 03:23:12,226
follow-up is done with me as the complaint and what is

6052
03:23:12,226 --> 03:23:13,227
shared with me? Do I know they have

6053
03:23:13,227 --> 03:23:15,227
an accommodation?

6054
03:23:15,229 --> 03:23:16,230
how does that work? I'm just trying

6055
03:23:16,230 --> 03:23:18,230
to

6056
03:23:18,232 --> 03:23:21,832
understand from a hipaa stand point.

6057
03:23:22,236 --> 03:23:24,236
I

6058
03:23:25,239 --> 03:23:27,239
make the complaint.

6059
03:23:27,241 --> 03:23:28,242
>> point of clarification. I do not go

6060
03:23:28,242 --> 03:23:30,642
and investigate. I'm looking

6061
03:23:31,245 --> 03:23:32,246
back to

6062
03:23:32,246 --> 03:23:33,247
them because I'm not sure what they do when

6063
03:23:33,247 --> 03:23:34,248
they close out complaints if they

6064
03:23:34,248 --> 03:23:36,248
notify

6065
03:23:37,251 --> 03:23:39,251
the

6066
03:23:41,221 --> 03:23:42,222
applicant or not megan, would you mindment coming

6067
03:23:42,222 --> 03:23:43,223
and speaking to that and what it is they notify?

6068
03:23:43,223 --> 03:23:46,226
>> I did know you were going to

6069
03:23:46,226 --> 03:23:48,626
come up here today.

6070
03:23:49,229 --> 03:23:51,229
>> megan

6071
03:23:51,231 --> 03:23:55,235
marshal. Your question was if the --

6072
03:23:55,235 --> 03:23:57,235
>> I made

6073
03:23:57,237 --> 03:23:58,238
the complaint -- in team you get notice

6074
03:23:58,238 --> 03:24:00,238
from a

6075
03:24:01,241 --> 03:24:03,243
health provider they have accommodation.

6076
03:24:03,243 --> 03:24:04,244
what's being told?

6077
03:24:04,244 --> 03:24:05,245
>> as the person

6078
03:24:05,245 --> 03:24:07,245
that made

6079
03:24:07,247 --> 03:24:10,250
the call, you would be told that the

6080
03:24:10,250 --> 03:24:11,251
property was placed based off a

6081
03:24:11,251 --> 03:24:13,220
reasonable accommodation. We're not

6082
03:24:13,220 --> 03:24:15,620
getting into any of

6083
03:24:16,223 --> 03:24:18,223
the

6084
03:24:18,225 --> 03:24:19,226
hardship a pa rules rules violations.

6085
03:24:19,226 --> 03:24:21,228
everything we do is public

6086
03:24:21,228 --> 03:24:22,229
record, so the letter that the county attorney's

6087
03:24:22,229 --> 03:24:24,229
office writes

6088
03:24:25,232 --> 03:24:28,235
is --I don't want to say

6089
03:24:28,235 --> 03:24:30,235
vague, but you're

6090
03:24:31,238 --> 03:24:32,239
stating that the information provided by the

6091
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:34,241
health provider was found to be in

6092
03:24:34,241 --> 03:24:36,241
conjunction with

6093
03:24:37,244 --> 03:24:38,245
the law, so tlrvegs there's a reasonable

6094
03:24:38,245 --> 03:24:40,247
accommodation for the goats, chickens,

6095
03:24:40,247 --> 03:24:42,247
that would be

6096
03:24:43,250 --> 03:24:46,253
at that specific property. That's why we'd close the case

6097
03:24:46,253 --> 03:24:47,221
based on that.

6098
03:24:47,221 --> 03:24:49,221
>> with

6099
03:24:49,223 --> 03:24:52,223
this ordinance, does it apply

6100
03:24:52,226 --> 03:24:54,626
county wide inclusive of

6101
03:24:55,229 --> 03:24:56,230
the municipalities?

6102
03:24:56,230 --> 03:24:58,230
>> no,

6103
03:24:58,232 --> 03:25:00,234
it does not. Is and you

6104
03:25:00,234 --> 03:25:01,235
may -- I don't know if you get other municipalities

6105
03:25:01,235 --> 03:25:03,235
or not,

6106
03:25:04,238 --> 03:25:06,638
but I have been

6107
03:25:07,241 --> 03:25:09,243
seeing quite a few agendas of

6108
03:25:09,243 --> 03:25:10,244
local municipalities adopting a similar ordinance

6109
03:25:10,244 --> 03:25:11,245
because state law requires them all to be

6110
03:25:11,245 --> 03:25:13,645
effective by january 1st.

6111
03:25:16,250 --> 03:25:18,250
>>

6112
03:25:18,252 --> 03:25:19,253
okay. All right. Any other questions

6113
03:25:19,253 --> 03:25:21,253
or

6114
03:25:22,222 --> 03:25:24,222
comments? If there

6115
03:25:25,225 --> 03:25:27,225
are

6116
03:25:28,228 --> 03:25:29,229
none.

6117
03:25:29,229 --> 03:25:30,230
>> so moved. >> second. >> all

6118
03:25:30,230 --> 03:25:32,230
right.

6119
03:25:34,234 --> 03:25:36,236
commissioner made the motion.

6120
03:25:36,236 --> 03:25:37,237
all in favor?

6121
03:25:37,237 --> 03:25:38,238
>> aye. >> motion passes.

6122
03:25:38,238 --> 03:25:40,238
it is unanimous.

6123
03:25:43,243 --> 03:25:45,245
all right. With that, we

6124
03:25:45,245 --> 03:25:46,246
really do not have any other business before us

6125
03:25:46,246 --> 03:25:48,246
this afternoon.

6126
03:25:49,249 --> 03:25:51,649
so we stand adjourned.