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>> Good morning everyone let me welcome all of you to the Orange

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County Board of Commission meeting on July 14th 2026.

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We begin this morning in recognition of the passing

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of one of our county employees.

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We're going to have just a brief moment of silence,

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and then after that we will have the invocation and then

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the Pledge of Allegiance.

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And with that we are going to take a brief moment of silence.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Phillip unfortunately was a young man

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Who passed unexpectedly.

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In the last week or so, so we want

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to just remember his service.

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He worked here with Commissioner Gomez Cordeiro

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and we wish the very best for his family.

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As they deal with these trying times.

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With that, we are going to move forward,

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and I'm going to ask Commissioner Wilson to introduce

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her guest who will be bringing the invocation this morning.

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After that, Commissioner Wilson if you will lead us

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in the Pledge of Allegiance and then

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we will start the formal portion of our board meeting today.

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With that you're recognized.

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Nicole H. Wilson: Thank you so much mayor good morning

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everybody thank you for taking that time everybody Philip was

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a friend to all at the Commissioner office

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they welcomed me when I walked onto that floor in 2020

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and Philip was somebody who we all looked to for guidance

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and for wisdom Commi he was brilliant.

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And even though my invocation guest this morning

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will be doing a Christian invocation, I'm Jewish

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and in the Jewish faith we say may his memory be a blessing.

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And Philip's memory is a blessing.

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And will continue to be a blessing

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for all of those who knew him.

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So come a good morning.

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This morning I am so honored to welcome

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my friend Pastor Socrates Perez Jr to lead us in our invocation.

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Socrates Perez Jr is a pastor who served in church ministry

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for 18 years.

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With a passion for teaching, spiritual formation,

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and music music ministry.

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Currently Socrates works with undivided a national

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organization committed to activating

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churches and communities for racial healing.

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Solidarity and justice.

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As a part of these efforts Socrates

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has launched Central Florida Movement.

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An organization committed to standing

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with immigrants in a time of uncertainty.

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And this is certainly a timely invitation

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knowing that blood was spilled in our streets again yesterday.

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Since December people who share this commitment

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have come together to learn from the experiences of immigrants

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in our community to support them through accompaniment

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at their ice check in appointments,

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and to advocate for just policies.

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Most recently the Central Florida Micah movement

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has drawn the interest of over a dozen churches

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and groups to participate in the care Kit initiative.

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Packing backpacks to serve kids and teens who

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have been impacted by the detention and deportation

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of a family member.

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Pastor Socrates is a proud product of Orange County,

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raised in Orlando, went to local public schools in Pine Hills,

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he graduated from West Orange High School, Warriors.

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He attended Rollins College in Winter Park

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and is now studying at Fuller Theological Seminary.

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He served in Christian Church Management ministry

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for 18 years.

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In Southern California the other Orange County before

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returning back here to Florida.

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Socrates has been blessed with a strong foundation in Jesus

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and the church along with opportunities

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to experience Christian faith lived out

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throughout various cultural expressions.

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Today he's passionate about seeing the power

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that faith has to respond to pain and brokenness

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in our communities.

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And with enduring hope healing and reconciliation

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please join me in welcoming Pastor Socrates Perez Jr.

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[Applause]

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>> Thank you Commissioner Wilson and good morning mayor Demings

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and commissioners.

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I consider it an undeserved blessing

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to offer a prayer this morning, I call it a blessing

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because it's really a gift for this Hispanic kid whose life was

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formed here in Orange County, and I call it undeserved

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because I went a couple of minutes

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long last time when I had this opportunity.

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So thank you for inviting me back.

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And I will keep it shorter this time,

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but I just want to thank you for your commitment

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to serve this community.

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I often pray for each of you that God will lead you and watch

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over you, specifically for the past week I've

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been asking for God's presence that it would bring peace

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as we grieve the passing of Filipe Toledo.

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I've witnessed the profound love for him

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and the appreciation for many for Philip's kindness,

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his humility, for his high level of excellence,

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for his dedication to serving Orange County well.

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This is a great loss for all of us but one that I imagine

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is felt deeply by each of you in the Orange County Staff.

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And in times of loss the answer to the question

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why O Lord is often beyond our understanding.

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And even then I believe that God offers us consolation.

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Through the embrace and outpouring

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of love from our community, and through the nearness of God

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who comforts us in all our troubles

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so that we can comfort others.

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Let us pray together.

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Creator God, giver of every good and perfect gift,

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we begin by thanking you for the gift of life.

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And in the same breath, we mourn as we

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consider the loss of our devoted public servant and a friend

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to many in this room.

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We ask for the comfort of your presence

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and the warmth of the people who surround us.

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And today God we also pray for all that

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will take place in this room.

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For the conversations and the decisions

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that will impact our neighbors in significant ways.

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I pray that we would treat one another

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with mutual respect and mutual love,

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that we would receive wisdom which you give freely

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to all who ask.

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I pray that we will honor the dignity of all of our neighbors.

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Especially those who have been cast aside or mistreated,

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and may we find the strength and courage

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right now to do what is right in this hour.

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Even when it comes at a personal cost.

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God, I am deeply moved in this moment,

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to lift up our beloved Haitian brothers

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and sisters this morning.

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We bring their concerns and their burdens before you as well

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as over 300,000 of them come many here in Orange County are

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set to lose their immigration status next week despite

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the lives that they've built here and despite dangerous

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conditions.

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So we pray God for the protection of these neighbors

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who are vital to our community and who

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are precious in your sight.

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That you would make a way where there

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seems to be no way, that your peace which passes understanding

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would guard their hearts and minds so that you would embolden

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us to stand in solidarity with them.

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Doing all that we can to seek justice on their behalf.

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And finally, O Lord, we ask that you protect and watch

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over our leaders today.

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Mind and body, heart and soul.

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Protect them from attacks that aim

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to diminish their own humanity.

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And may they know how deep and wide is your unconditional love.

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For each of them.

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May they be led by you in humility.

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To value others above themselves,

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seeking the interests of those whom they serve.

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Thank you God for Orange County this beautiful home

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that you have called us to care for.

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And we thank you God for our people.

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Whom you have called us to serve faithfully.

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We pray these things in your holy name.

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Amen.

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Thank you.

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Nicole H. Wilson: I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you Commissioner thank you Commissioner Perez.

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We have two items today we'll begin with proclamation then

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have the presentations following.

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The first proclamation is for smart irrigation laws.

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Smart irrigation.

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Proclamation reads whereas Orange County recognizes water

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as a vital and natural resource that

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is essential to sustaining our communities,

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and outdoor water use is a significant portion

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of Orange County water use.

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We recognize-- and whereas smart irrigation technology

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such as weather based controllers soil moisture

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sensors, and efficient irrigation design

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help reduce water waste and improve plant health

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and protect our valuable water resources.

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And whereas, regular irrigation systems, maintenance,

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proper scheduling of irrigation timers,

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are essential to maximizing irrigation efficiency

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and supporting long term water conservation.

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Now, therefore Jerry L Denning's with the authority vested in him

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as county mayor does hereby declare the month of July 2026

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as Smart Irrigation Month in Orange County Florida

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to raise awareness of the water use efficiency

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and encourage residents and businesses to develop

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smart water practices to preserve this resource.

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Done this 14th day of July 2026 signed by the mayor and all five

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members of the Board of County Commissioners.

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Accepting the proclamation is Matt Bowers

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the administrator for Orange County Utilities.

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Mr. Bowers?

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>> Good morning.

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Mayor Demings comment commissioners,

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thank you for this opportunity again to come

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and highlight the importance of water conservation.

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More than half of our usage goes to irrigation here

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in Central Florida.

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And if we are going to continue to grow,

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responsible water usage is going to be paramount for us to be

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able to sustain our population.

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Improving the efficiency of how we use water

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as one of the most cost effective and impactful ways

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to help ensure this valuable resource

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remains sustainable for future generations.

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Again, thank you to this board for the support

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that you've given to water conservation.

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Orange County Utilities, because of your support

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we remain a leader in water conservation.

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Our team has trained and certified irrigation technicians

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to provide customers with expert assistance

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and evaluating and adjusting irrigation systems

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to improve efficiency.

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I would just like to add we are the first municipality

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or utility in the state of Florida

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that all of our personnel out in the field

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are certified and trained professionals.

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This July we are encouraging you to take a few simple steps

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to make sure your irrigation systems are operating

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efficiently.

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First of all, we recommend walking through your yard

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while your irrigation system is running.

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If you don't walk through you don't see the problems

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and you can't know what they are.

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So you walk through, you check for leaks,

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you check for broken components and misaligned sprinklers.

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I don't know how many times we go

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by where we see that it's spraying completely

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on the sidewalk or only on the driveway.

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No matter how much you water it, concrete is not going to grow.

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And, also has a reminder during this time of year

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to set your irrigation timer to no more than twice a week.

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And if your system continues to run after significant rainfall

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like last night I'm sure you saw on the news, the intersection

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on 50 flooded out, you probably don't

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need to be irrigating today.

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So if you see your system running

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after that significant rainfall like that

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then your rain sensor may need to be repaired or replaced.

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These simple actions can help homeowners use water

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more efficiently, avoid unexpected increases

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in their water bill and maintain healthy attractive landscapes.

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Thank you for your continued recruitment

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for water conservation and the opportunity

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to highlight smart water usage practices.

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[Applause]

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>> Alright I'll crack utilities team Mark Cuneata is

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the director.

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All right let's give our utilities department

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a big round of applause.

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Good job everyone!

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Thank you Matt!

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[Applause]

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>> Our second and final proclamation is for parks

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and Recreation Month.

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I see our parks friends here.

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A lot of them are here today.

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It's good to see you all.

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The proclamation reads whereas a National Recreation and Park

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Association of designated July as park and Recreation month

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to recognize the vital role that Parks and Recreation played

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in building strong vibrant and resilient communities

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across the nation.

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And Whereas Parks and Recreation Services

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are a central component of Orange County's commitment

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to enhancing the quality of life for residents and visitors

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by providing safe accessible and welcoming spaces for recreation

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wellness education and community connection.

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Whereas Orange County Parks and Recreation

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manages a diverse system of 114 parks, trails, preserves,

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recreation centers, athletic facilities,

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campgrounds, historical sites, natural resources

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to welcome more than 16 million residents and visitors annually.

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Whereas Orange County's parks trails and recreation programs

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promote healthy and active lifestyles,

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foster social connections, support

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physical and mental well-being, inspire lifelong learning

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and contribute to the economic vitality

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and environmental sustainability of our community.

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Whereas Orange County's extensive park system

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provides opportunities for outdoor adventure,

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cultural and historical appreciation,

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athletic participation, and community celebrations helping

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make Orange County one of the most desirable places

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to live work and play.

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Whereas the dedicated park and recreation professionals

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work year round to preserve natural habitats,

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protect environmental resource, provide

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high quality recreational programs,

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support youth development engage older adults,

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encourage volunteerism and create memorable experiences

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that enrich the lives of Orange County residents.

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Now, therefore Jerry Demings by his authority as mayor does

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hereby declare the month of July as Parks and Recreation Month

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and encourage all residents to take advantage of the services

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provided by the Orange County Parks and Recreation Division

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done in order this 14th day of July 2026 and all five members

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of the Board of County Commissioners.

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Accepting the proclamation is the manager

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Kyle Kent was the manager of Orange County

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Parks and Recreation.

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Mr. Kent?

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[Applause]

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>> Thank you mayor and Commissioners.

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On behalf of the 500 plus staff members

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that you have working on your Parks and Recreation

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team we are pleased to accept this proclamation,

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we are grateful for your recognition.

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We would like to point out that Parks and Recreation

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places and the faces when things are going right

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in their community.

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And right now with 4 million people visiting us each quarter,

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I think that's a testament that people think things are

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going right in this community.

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So we always appreciate the support come

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and please do pleased to accept this award.

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I would like to flip the script a little bit here.

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We have one of those important reasons

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that we all work for Parks and Recreation.

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And we invest in our community that's

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here with us today and her name is Elise Loki.

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Come on up here Elise.

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Elise is the winner of our art contest here come on over.

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Each summer we hold an art contest

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throughout our summer camps and Elise

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is one of the camp members that Port David.

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Her artwork is on the screen up there

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and Elise I'm going to give you like three seconds

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to tell us what's going on in this bottom corner over here.

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Because I think that's important to narrate.

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Why don't you tell us what that is?

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>> One of my counselors Matt is helping a squirrel.

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It happened in real life.

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The squirrel fell on its arm and broke it.

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And Matt knows the place to help squirrels.

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So --

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Parks and recreation department can come up and take a photo to.

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Don't be shy.

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Come on up.

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[Applause]

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>> All right.

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Thanks parks!

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Don't go too far Kyle.

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We have two presentations for this morning.

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The first presentation is regarding parks again

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it's a presentation of the National Association of County

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Park and Recreation Officials Award for 2025,

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so Kyle is going to come up and talk

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a little bit about this award we would appreciate that.

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>> Thank you very much.

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So one of the events that we have been producing

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for several years now for the community

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is called movies in the Park.

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We make it an effort to bring out large projection

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screens show current movies, in the community setting.

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In the lawn you bring your lawn chairs

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or throw your blankets down.

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It's a lot of fun, it's free.

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We try to do these in multiple communities throughout the year.

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And we submitted a nomination and it

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was recognized for bringing the community together

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as a great gathering and community function.

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So, we are pleased to admit that they

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felt it was worthy of an award.

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[Applause]

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>> Who doesn't love our parks?

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You've got to love them.

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All of those volunteers on the advisory board,

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thank you for serving.

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Through the movies in the Park program,

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countless residents have enjoyed evenings of entertainment.

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Connection, and lasting memories in our beautiful parks.

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So with this, this award from the National Association

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of County Parks, and recreation officials in 2026,

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this parks and Recreation program class three award

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presented to Orange County Parks and Recreation

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for movies in the Park and movies on the trails program.

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So again Kyle congratulations to you and your entire team.

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[Applause]

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All right thanks parks, and thanks folks!

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And the final presentation is for the North American Hazardous

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Materials Management Association best outreach program.

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I'm going to call on Kate Rogers with the environmental program

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supervisor from an environmental protection

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division for more information.

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>> morning and County Administrator Brooks,

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I'm very honored to receive this award on behalf

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of the Environmental Protection Division as I am very new

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in my role as supervisor of Epd's Pollution Prevention

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Control Program I must direct all praise for this

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accomplishment to my team, and our predecessor.

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This National Award recognizes the team's innovative approach

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to keeping hazardous pharmaceutical waste

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from small health care facilities

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out of our environment.

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Our pollution prevention and communication staff

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designed a user friendly digital questionnaire

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that achieved a response rate of over 50%.

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Furthermore, follow up engagement continued

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with calls come emails, and in-person inspections

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that improved the facility's understanding of their roles

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and responsibilities in the final suit of goal waste

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Management.

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This national recognition affirms the importance

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of the work that Orange County is

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doing to conserve and protect, and enhance

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our environment for current and future generations.

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It also shines a light on the tremendous talent,

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and professional expertise that characterize the care

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and service that the BPD provides to our community.

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Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> You know I know it's a little daunting at times to come before

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the public like this, I can hear that nervousness in your voice

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come you couldn't wait for it to be over.

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But, let me just say this.

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Our community, our board of County Commission and BPD staff

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have made it a priority to make sure

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that we protect our environment here within Orange County.

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So for the Environmental Protection Division

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to receive this recognition it reflects the county's commitment

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to protecting the environment.

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Whether through preventing pollution,

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improving water quality, in our lakes, or rivers,

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or protecting the sensitive lands.

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Our entire team, thank you for the work

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that you're doing each and every day.

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Sometimes there are some unsung heroes.

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So join me this will hopefully be a little less

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stressful for you all.

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[Applause] Right one more round of applause for that department!

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Thank you all so much!

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Jerry L. Demings: All right as we transition again,

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congratulations to all of those who received recognition

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this morning.

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We are going to move forward on our agenda at this time

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while we move through the period of time in which we invite

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members of the public to come forward

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regarding any concerns or topics of importance to them.

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There are certain matters that will be taken up this afternoon

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during the afternoon portion, typically

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they are land use issues, or other issues

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that should be properly brought to other boards.

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We will of course move forward at this time.

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How many persons do we have that wish to be heard this morning?

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>> Mayor we have 42 speaker cards this morning.

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>> Okay so we do have a pretty active schedule this morning.

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So those of you who are going to come forward we're

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going to give you each one minute in which

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to plead your case.

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Because of the history that we have

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and the experience that we have we do

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know that it can be done, in that period of time.

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So with that, we will start perhaps

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in the order of which we have received

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and the request to speak this >> Thank you mayor, folks

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I'm going to call your name in batches,

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when I do please line up along the wall at the end of the room

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here.

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Approach the podium in the order called

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and please begin with your name and address.

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Our first speaker is going to be Hank Halbert, followed

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by Lucy Halbert.

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Followed by Anna Marie Halbert.

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Followed by Chad Mangione.

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Michelle Mangione.

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And David Martinez.

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>> I thought it was going to be minutes but we're going

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to shorten this down.

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Hello mayor.

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Thank you for your 45 years of service

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to the city of Orlando and the county.

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Okay good morning I'm Hank Halbert of 2711 East Michigan

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Street, we are here kind of in objection of a large steel

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building that's been placed on Michigan Street

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at a professional office they've been called

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the Monster of Michigan Street, the Michigan street

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monster, what's the other one?

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The spaceship that landed?

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And the Michigan street eyesore.

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I've sent pictures to each and every one of you,

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hopefully you've seen those.

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It's hard to describe it in words.

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It's 3300 zero cubic feet building sitting in the middle

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or adjacent to a neighborhood.

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The permit was approved over like a year period I guess,

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and we didn't know anything about this there was very little

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transparency.

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Very little fairness.

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No input from the neighborhood whatsoever.

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There are 12 houses involved, we see talking to real estate

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people we could well we have probably 50 to $100,000 value

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per house.

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That's going to be affected.

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That's why I'm here today.

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I'll let the next speaker elaborate.

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But we ask the county to not approve the permit in October.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you Mr. Halbert for your presence.

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We move to the next speaker please.

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>> Good morning everyone.

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And, first of all, shout out to the park and recreation team.

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And thank you mayor for recognizing

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the importance of them.

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And also, my two daughters, they both learned how

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to swim and the Gatlin pool.

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So we love it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak today.

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My name is Lucy Halbert, my husband

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and I have lived in 2711 East Michigan Street since 1998.

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I came to the United States in 1996.

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And we've raised our two daughters here

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and have been proud to call this community our home for nearly

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three decades.

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We are here today because of the large steel building warehouse

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that was constructed at 26 17th East Michigan Street just three

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doors from my home.

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The structure is not compatible with the character

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of the Edinburgh Heights neighborhood and the surrounding

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communities.

530
00:36:57,140 --> 00:37:01,949
Edinburgh Heights is a quiet diverse established realty built

531
00:37:01,949 --> 00:37:05,927
in the early 1980s with some houses built even earlier,

532
00:37:05,927 --> 00:37:08,781
maybe in the 50s or 60s 70s.

533
00:37:08,781 --> 00:37:12,981
We have families, small children, senior citizens,

534
00:37:13,101 --> 00:37:17,869
and longtime residents who value the peaceful quality of life

535
00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:19,561
that we have here.

536
00:37:19,561 --> 00:37:23,101
We love our neighborhood, and we do not want to leave.

537
00:37:23,101 --> 00:37:29,101
About 12 families -- >> Sorry Miss Halbert that time is gone

538
00:37:30,221 --> 00:37:31,341
quickly.

539
00:37:31,341 --> 00:37:33,341
>> Yes very quickly.

540
00:37:38,931 --> 00:37:39,473
>> Thank you.

541
00:37:39,473 --> 00:37:39,476
Just thank you.

542
00:37:39,476 --> 00:37:41,476
We just don't think that building belongs there.

543
00:37:41,476 --> 00:37:42,101
Thank you.

544
00:37:42,101 --> 00:37:42,975
>> All right.

545
00:37:42,975 --> 00:37:46,740
We move to our next speaker.

546
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:48,912
>> Hi I'm Anna Halbrook and if you can't tell those were

547
00:37:48,912 --> 00:37:49,521
my parents.

548
00:37:49,521 --> 00:37:52,349
I live at 2711 East Michigan Street.

549
00:37:52,349 --> 00:37:54,691
I've lived in the county my whole life,

550
00:37:54,691 --> 00:37:57,701
from Kaylee elementary to Howard to Boone,

551
00:37:57,701 --> 00:38:00,385
I followed the school path of countless other Orange County

552
00:38:00,385 --> 00:38:00,885
natives.

553
00:38:00,885 --> 00:38:01,967
This is my home.

554
00:38:01,967 --> 00:38:05,117
When I got home from college to see that the paint company down

555
00:38:05,117 --> 00:38:07,170
the street had erected a humongous metal shed

556
00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:09,300
that towered over all the houses on my block

557
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,890
I was very confused to say the least.

558
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:13,761
I have no issues with all the professional offices that are

559
00:38:13,761 --> 00:38:16,261
scattered around the area come up with the industrialization

560
00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:18,844
of my neighborhood is something that I truly cannot stand for.

561
00:38:18,844 --> 00:38:21,345
We are a community of working class people

562
00:38:21,345 --> 00:38:22,881
from all walks of life, my mother

563
00:38:22,881 --> 00:38:25,381
is an immigrant we know that there are many other immigrants

564
00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:26,581
in my neighborhood.

565
00:38:26,581 --> 00:38:29,101
We have members of the LGBTQ plus community,

566
00:38:29,101 --> 00:38:30,331
it's very diverse.

567
00:38:30,331 --> 00:38:33,725
The most important thing is that people raise their children here

568
00:38:33,725 --> 00:38:36,221
and invest their money and property here.

569
00:38:36,221 --> 00:38:38,877
I feel that this structure sets a very dangerous precedent

570
00:38:38,877 --> 00:38:42,540
for not just my neighborhood but for Orange County as a whole.

571
00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:45,133
No one wants to see their home turned into an industrial zone.

572
00:38:45,133 --> 00:38:47,172
We ask that the county considers reevaluating

573
00:38:47,172 --> 00:38:51,754
permitting of this structure for the whole neighborhood.

574
00:38:51,754 --> 00:38:52,908
Thank you so much.

575
00:38:52,908 --> 00:38:54,325
>> Alright thank you Miss Halbert.

576
00:38:54,325 --> 00:38:58,525
We'll move to the next speaker please.

577
00:39:03,741 --> 00:39:05,741
Evan good morning.

578
00:39:06,117 --> 00:39:08,921
I don't believe that I'm actually the next speaker

579
00:39:08,921 --> 00:39:11,837
but there's nobody else so.

580
00:39:11,837 --> 00:39:16,861
I'm actually here to voice my concern over the same building

581
00:39:16,861 --> 00:39:19,954
that Hank and his family have spoken about.

582
00:39:19,954 --> 00:39:22,565
I'm sorry my name is David Martinez.

583
00:39:22,565 --> 00:39:24,965
I own 2707 East Michigan.

584
00:39:26,191 --> 00:39:29,701
And, basically this building is completely

585
00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,601
out of character with the area.

586
00:39:31,601 --> 00:39:33,929
In every conceivable way.

587
00:39:33,929 --> 00:39:37,541
When you think of buildings you think of scale, outside of scale

588
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:40,901
you think of style, it doesn't really

589
00:39:40,901 --> 00:39:43,234
mesh with any style in the neighborhood.

590
00:39:43,234 --> 00:39:45,921
The materials come absolutely anything.

591
00:39:45,921 --> 00:39:47,549
Can use more importantly.

592
00:39:47,549 --> 00:39:50,821
So it's going to bring, I don't know

593
00:39:50,821 --> 00:39:54,146
what's going to be stored in this warehouse looking building,

594
00:39:54,146 --> 00:39:57,915
but the use of it is of concern, the increased traffic

595
00:39:57,915 --> 00:39:59,957
and the type of traffic that it's going to bring,

596
00:39:59,957 --> 00:40:02,561
it's only a two lane road at that point.

597
00:40:02,561 --> 00:40:05,885
And so it's also setting a dangerous precedent for the area

598
00:40:05,885 --> 00:40:06,647
as well.

599
00:40:06,647 --> 00:40:10,741
So I just wanted to voice my displeasure

600
00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:14,173
and maybe we can get this thing taken care of.

601
00:40:14,173 --> 00:40:14,685
Thank you.

602
00:40:14,685 --> 00:40:15,914
Goodbye.

603
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:17,247
>> Right thank you Mr. Martinez.

604
00:40:17,247 --> 00:40:22,647
Next speaker >> Right of Chad Michele and aren't here,

605
00:40:23,756 --> 00:40:25,381
our next speaker will be Destin Correa.

606
00:40:25,381 --> 00:40:27,781
Followed by Peter Murray.

607
00:40:27,901 --> 00:40:29,901
Susie Morris.

608
00:40:30,981 --> 00:40:32,981
Sana Hafeez.

609
00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,181
Jose Hernandez.

610
00:40:50,602 --> 00:40:51,269
>> Good morning.

611
00:40:51,269 --> 00:40:51,275
Board of County Commissioners my name

612
00:40:51,275 --> 00:40:52,775
is Desmond Carrera I live at 225 I'm

613
00:40:52,775 --> 00:40:56,365
here with Sunrise Moreno in support of the Sunrise Plan.

614
00:40:56,365 --> 00:41:00,510
I'm a student with no car I found a 311

615
00:41:00,510 --> 00:41:03,517
request about an unsafe crossing on Valencia College Lane.

616
00:41:03,517 --> 00:41:05,517
And Boa Vista.

617
00:41:05,965 --> 00:41:08,930
Because students like me have nothing protecting us

618
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:10,301
from traffic the last one I want my loved ones to see

619
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:11,891
is me on the evening news because I

620
00:41:11,891 --> 00:41:14,410
succumb to a fate like other Florida pedestrians

621
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:15,461
crossing the road.

622
00:41:15,461 --> 00:41:18,421
This is because our infrastructure currently does

623
00:41:18,421 --> 00:41:19,941
not account for pedestrians.

624
00:41:19,941 --> 00:41:21,810
The star plan.

625
00:41:21,810 --> 00:41:25,361
A rapid transit initiative that has eight rapid transit

626
00:41:25,361 --> 00:41:27,761
corridors in this county.

627
00:41:28,210 --> 00:41:30,935
Pedestrian safety becomes a higher priority.

628
00:41:30,935 --> 00:41:33,210
I ask this board to take the next step

629
00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:35,741
in investing in the infrastructure that actually

630
00:41:35,741 --> 00:41:38,941
keeps everyone safe, protected lanes come a safe crossings,

631
00:41:38,941 --> 00:41:43,341
and the star plan Denver did it and Orange County Cantu.

632
00:41:43,341 --> 00:41:44,618
Thank you.

633
00:41:44,618 --> 00:41:45,118
>> Right.

634
00:41:45,118 --> 00:41:46,285
Thank you for your comments.

635
00:41:46,285 --> 00:41:48,285
Next speaker please?

636
00:42:09,501 --> 00:42:11,678
And then while they're doing this

637
00:42:11,678 --> 00:42:14,172
I just wanted to say my condolences to the Commissioner.

638
00:42:14,172 --> 00:42:16,797
>> I'm going to ask you to go up to the mic so we can hear you.

639
00:42:16,797 --> 00:42:19,197
We can't hear you.

640
00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:26,440
>> I just wanted to say condolences to to Commissioner

641
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,815
Katara for losing somebody very important it sounds like.

642
00:42:28,815 --> 00:42:30,815
So I'm sorry.

643
00:42:33,981 --> 00:42:38,131
I can't project the evidence I'd like to show the community.

644
00:42:38,131 --> 00:42:38,841
Okay.

645
00:42:38,841 --> 00:42:43,410
Peter Murray, good morning mayor and commissioners,

646
00:42:43,501 --> 00:42:46,341
I want to thank Comptroller Diamond for investigating

647
00:42:46,341 --> 00:42:50,851
the evidence regarding fairly funded procurement July 20th

648
00:42:50,851 --> 00:42:52,381
2609.

649
00:42:52,381 --> 00:42:54,941
The controlling finding confirmed that this $2 million

650
00:42:54,941 --> 00:42:57,110
procurement was federally non-compliant

651
00:42:57,110 --> 00:42:59,749
and the charter spectrum was received unfair advantage.

652
00:42:59,749 --> 00:43:03,870
What concerns me is that I first reported this issue to the board

653
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:04,965
on May April 9th 2024.

654
00:43:04,965 --> 00:43:08,476
And to professional Standards on May 1st 2024.

655
00:43:08,476 --> 00:43:10,381
The evidence presented at the time

656
00:43:10,381 --> 00:43:12,821
indicated that two employees were involved.

657
00:43:12,821 --> 00:43:14,821
In why 2609.

658
00:43:15,181 --> 00:43:19,741
And 2024 are system Procurement Manager Julie Milan also advised

659
00:43:19,741 --> 00:43:22,161
professional standards as the available evidence appeared

660
00:43:22,161 --> 00:43:24,244
to show that two employees from the mayor's office

661
00:43:24,244 --> 00:43:27,351
were attempting to prevent a potential bidder from receiving

662
00:43:27,351 --> 00:43:30,541
the contract award and that this should not have happened.

663
00:43:30,541 --> 00:43:32,817
Professional standards declined to investigate

664
00:43:32,817 --> 00:43:36,605
I asked over 100 times to follow up and they refused.

665
00:43:36,605 --> 00:43:39,221
Is now the third federally funded transaction

666
00:43:39,221 --> 00:43:42,621
that I have reported which has been confirmed to be accurate.

667
00:43:42,621 --> 00:43:45,234
I have additional evidence and professional standards still

668
00:43:45,234 --> 00:43:46,567
refuses to review that evidence.

669
00:43:46,567 --> 00:43:49,734
I'm not going to ask for more time I'm not

670
00:43:49,734 --> 00:43:50,921
getting thrown out again.

671
00:43:50,921 --> 00:43:51,521
Thank you.

672
00:43:51,521 --> 00:43:57,521
I have more evidence than I would like to help.

673
00:43:58,883 --> 00:44:00,925
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you Mr. Murray.

674
00:44:00,925 --> 00:44:02,925
Next speaker please?

675
00:44:04,341 --> 00:44:10,741
My name is Susie Morris I live at 3638 Lake Drive Orlando.

676
00:44:10,741 --> 00:44:12,351
Good morning mayor and Commissioners.

677
00:44:12,351 --> 00:44:16,100
I'm here to speak in support of keeping Green's Place properties

678
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,765
as protected green space.

679
00:44:17,765 --> 00:44:21,901
I urge the board to prioritize the conversations

680
00:44:21,901 --> 00:44:25,501
and conservations when evaluating and managing

681
00:44:26,391 --> 00:44:28,925
agriculture uses on these lands.

682
00:44:28,925 --> 00:44:31,450
Green Place was funded by taxpayers

683
00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:34,645
to preserve environmentally sensitive areas wildlife

684
00:44:34,821 --> 00:44:37,331
corridors become water resources and public recreation

685
00:44:37,331 --> 00:44:40,331
common not for agriculture production.

686
00:44:40,661 --> 00:44:43,621
I respectfully ask that you keep the primary focus

687
00:44:43,621 --> 00:44:46,461
on conservation and public benefit,

688
00:44:46,461 --> 00:44:48,794
apply the strongest environmental protections

689
00:44:48,794 --> 00:44:52,981
to any potential uses, and continue involving the public

690
00:44:52,981 --> 00:44:54,781
in these important decisions.

691
00:44:54,781 --> 00:44:57,751
Thank you for your work on the Green Place program,

692
00:44:57,751 --> 00:45:01,111
please keep these lands as true spaces for all of us.

693
00:45:01,111 --> 00:45:01,981
Thank you.

694
00:45:01,981 --> 00:45:06,722
Jerry L. Demings: Thank you for your comments.

695
00:45:06,722 --> 00:45:08,722
Next speaker?

696
00:45:19,269 --> 00:45:24,669
>> (Speaking in another language) My English is not very

697
00:46:24,103 --> 00:46:24,603
good.

698
00:46:24,603 --> 00:46:27,221
I lived in this neighborhood for many years,

699
00:46:27,221 --> 00:46:32,527
and I don't think that this building is characterized

700
00:46:32,527 --> 00:46:34,527
of the surroundings.

701
00:46:34,621 --> 00:46:39,421
As a kindergarten school right directly in front

702
00:46:39,581 --> 00:46:44,293
of this, of this building, which may or may not

703
00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:46,893
contain chemicals, it looks like it probably

704
00:46:46,893 --> 00:46:48,893
will contain chemicals.

705
00:47:05,708 --> 00:47:10,508
>> (Speaking in another language) And I'm not only

706
00:47:37,567 --> 00:47:42,967
concerned for myself, it's mostly for the future residents

707
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:46,869
and for my family and their future.

708
00:47:46,869 --> 00:47:52,181
I don't feel that it's right, and the decision

709
00:47:52,181 --> 00:47:53,447
is in your hands.

710
00:47:53,447 --> 00:47:55,447
Thank you.

711
00:47:56,181 --> 00:47:58,581
Jerry L. Demings: Okay.

712
00:47:59,295 --> 00:48:07,695
I know he gave us his name, can you repeat his name for us?

713
00:48:09,994 --> 00:48:12,610
>> My name is Jose Santos Hernandez.

714
00:48:12,610 --> 00:48:16,261
Jerry L. Demings: Mr. Jose Santos Hernandez.

715
00:48:16,343 --> 00:48:16,843
All right.

716
00:48:16,843 --> 00:48:18,843
Thank you.

717
00:48:18,901 --> 00:48:23,954
All right, we will move to the next speaker.

718
00:48:23,954 --> 00:48:24,932
>> Thank you mayor.

719
00:48:24,932 --> 00:48:27,341
Our next speaker will be Alan Levi.

720
00:48:27,341 --> 00:48:32,141
Followed by Linda Coffin, Nicholas Tahtali, Ava Gorin,

721
00:48:34,501 --> 00:48:37,501
Trevor sweet, and Samuel Chambers.

722
00:48:47,419 --> 00:48:50,440
>> Good morning my name is Alan Levi I live at 535 East Harding

723
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:50,794
Street in Orlando.

724
00:48:50,794 --> 00:48:52,397
That's district three.

725
00:48:52,397 --> 00:48:55,847
There is a myth that people experiencing homelessness

726
00:48:55,847 --> 00:48:58,807
are mostly drug users or alcoholics.

727
00:48:58,807 --> 00:49:03,167
While substance abuse exists within the homeless population,

728
00:49:03,167 --> 00:49:05,333
most people experiencing homelessness

729
00:49:05,333 --> 00:49:09,531
do not have a substance abuse problem.

730
00:49:09,531 --> 00:49:13,731
HUD data shows that about 16% reported use,

731
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:19,709
but that 16% it's the same number for all Americans.

732
00:49:19,797 --> 00:49:22,581
And you know the myth that adults

733
00:49:22,581 --> 00:49:24,314
experiencing homelessness struggle

734
00:49:24,314 --> 00:49:26,714
with severe mental illness?

735
00:49:27,241 --> 00:49:29,241
Yes, 26% do.

736
00:49:29,321 --> 00:49:32,921
But so do 20% of all Americans.

737
00:49:33,189 --> 00:49:37,389
It's just as likely that someone's homelessness

738
00:49:37,541 --> 00:49:41,941
led to mental illness and addiction than the other way

739
00:49:41,941 --> 00:49:42,816
around.

740
00:49:42,816 --> 00:49:46,416
Again, it's really just as likely

741
00:49:46,677 --> 00:49:51,373
that someone's homelessness led to mental health and addiction

742
00:49:51,373 --> 00:49:53,205
than the other way around.

743
00:49:53,205 --> 00:49:55,205
Thank you.

744
00:49:55,741 --> 00:50:00,840
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you Mr. Levi.

745
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,840
Next speaker please.

746
00:50:12,516 --> 00:50:13,160
>> Hello.

747
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:13,117
I did have an image but --

748
00:50:13,117 --> 00:50:14,159
I'll just start speaking.

749
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,887
Hello, good morning my name is Nicholas Vitale,

750
00:50:16,887 --> 00:50:19,887
I live at 32836 district one.

751
00:50:21,187 --> 00:50:23,933
I am here as part of the Sunrise Movement

752
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:26,794
to talk about two things.

753
00:50:26,794 --> 00:50:33,149
First, I am opposed to opening up green place to grazing lands,

754
00:50:33,149 --> 00:50:35,494
because I don't know if you saw yesterday

755
00:50:35,494 --> 00:50:39,821
the flooding on McGuire colonial yesterday if we were really

756
00:50:39,821 --> 00:50:43,221
committed to mitigating storm water damage

757
00:50:43,221 --> 00:50:45,681
and flooding our county, we should

758
00:50:45,681 --> 00:50:48,301
be preserving our wetlands not opening them up

759
00:50:48,301 --> 00:50:50,421
to additional agricultural usages.

760
00:50:50,421 --> 00:50:55,809
And, my second thing is I'm here in support of the Star plan.

761
00:50:55,809 --> 00:50:56,309
Again.

762
00:50:56,309 --> 00:51:00,314
I'm going to keep mentioning it until September, and maybe

763
00:51:00,314 --> 00:51:01,701
even after that to.

764
00:51:01,701 --> 00:51:03,501
But I believe in it a lot.

765
00:51:03,501 --> 00:51:07,490
I've lived in this county for most of my life,

766
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:10,548
and I have been in a very touristy part of town

767
00:51:10,548 --> 00:51:13,581
whenever tourists come to town they crowd the streets

768
00:51:13,581 --> 00:51:16,701
and I can predict whenever there's a Disney shift change

769
00:51:16,701 --> 00:51:18,861
because the traffic gets more.

770
00:51:18,861 --> 00:51:21,661
If we can get these people on public transportation,

771
00:51:21,661 --> 00:51:24,737
and free up the roads I think that would be a much nicer place

772
00:51:24,737 --> 00:51:25,237
to live.

773
00:51:25,237 --> 00:51:28,237
Thank you for your >> Right.

774
00:51:33,988 --> 00:51:34,488
Thank you.

775
00:51:34,488 --> 00:51:35,300
Next speaker?

776
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:40,546
Evan before I get started I want to express that immigrants

777
00:51:40,546 --> 00:51:44,525
are welcome here, our heartfelt condolences to all of you,

778
00:51:44,525 --> 00:51:46,733
and especially Commissioner Cordero and her staff

779
00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:48,141
as we remember Phillip.

780
00:51:48,141 --> 00:51:49,554
Thank you very much.

781
00:51:49,554 --> 00:51:53,100
My name is Linda Coffin, and I'm from 32810 immigrants

782
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:54,661
are welcome here.

783
00:51:54,661 --> 00:51:58,735
The deadline to end Temporary protected status for many

784
00:51:58,735 --> 00:52:03,410
Haitians is now July 24th, we recognize the tremendous burden

785
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:05,861
this will place on families, employers,

786
00:52:05,861 --> 00:52:07,661
and the entire community.

787
00:52:07,661 --> 00:52:11,961
Mayor, we are asking you to take action on behalf of the board

788
00:52:11,961 --> 00:52:14,447
and write a letter to Senator Scott and Moody

789
00:52:14,447 --> 00:52:19,210
to say yes to s 4814, that would extend

790
00:52:19,210 --> 00:52:20,594
temporary protected status.

791
00:52:20,594 --> 00:52:25,701
We know that the House has already passed this bill,

792
00:52:25,701 --> 00:52:28,483
so that's why we want you to go ahead and write

793
00:52:28,483 --> 00:52:33,101
a letter with all of you signing it for S 4814.

794
00:52:33,101 --> 00:52:37,301
Haitian immigrants came here legally under TPS,

795
00:52:37,861 --> 00:52:40,845
they have become an essential part of Central Florida.

796
00:52:40,845 --> 00:52:43,927
They serve our hospitals, nursing homes, hospitals,

797
00:52:43,927 --> 00:52:47,381
hotels, schools, and countless other businesses that

798
00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:49,100
keep our communities moving.

799
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,371
They are caretakers, health care professionals

800
00:52:51,371 --> 00:52:53,333
come a hospital workers, and much more.

801
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:55,333
Thank you.

802
00:52:55,741 --> 00:52:58,741
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

803
00:52:59,133 --> 00:53:00,500
Thank you Miss Coffin.

804
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:01,141
Our next speaker?

805
00:53:01,141 --> 00:53:04,741
Evan good morning mayor and Commissioners.

806
00:53:04,931 --> 00:53:09,361
My name is Trevor sweet, I live at ten 626 Demille place,

807
00:53:09,361 --> 00:53:12,120
I am a district one resident.

808
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,861
And I am also the field representative for the Central

809
00:53:14,861 --> 00:53:15,981
Florida AfL-CIO.

810
00:53:15,981 --> 00:53:19,261
I'm here to ask the mayor to sign a letter

811
00:53:19,261 --> 00:53:22,261
to be sent to U.S. Senators encouraging support

812
00:53:22,261 --> 00:53:27,431
for U.S. Senate Bill 4814 to extend TPS protections.

813
00:53:27,431 --> 00:53:30,801
Our neighbors are in jeopardy of losing homes

814
00:53:30,801 --> 00:53:32,894
that they have come to know for so long.

815
00:53:32,894 --> 00:53:34,941
Our members who have been working in the theme

816
00:53:34,941 --> 00:53:37,421
parks, the airport, the hotels, and all

817
00:53:37,421 --> 00:53:39,757
across Orange County in different occupations

818
00:53:39,757 --> 00:53:42,113
will no longer be qualified to work,

819
00:53:42,113 --> 00:53:45,451
to provide for their families and work

820
00:53:45,451 --> 00:53:48,831
in the industries vital to enriching our community.

821
00:53:48,831 --> 00:53:51,341
Mayor Demings, show your support for the residents

822
00:53:51,341 --> 00:53:54,958
in your community, show solidarity, and sign the letter.

823
00:53:54,958 --> 00:53:55,975
Thank you for my time.

824
00:53:55,975 --> 00:53:57,975
Thank you.

825
00:53:58,381 --> 00:54:02,581
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you.

826
00:54:03,433 --> 00:54:05,433
Next speaker.

827
00:54:07,877 --> 00:54:10,210
>> Hello mayor and Board of Commissioners my name is Eva

828
00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:11,585
Gorin, I live at 4291 Mensa Lane.

829
00:54:11,585 --> 00:54:14,490
And I am here on account of sunrise Orlando Florida

830
00:54:14,490 --> 00:54:17,611
to support their star transit system that they have developed.

831
00:54:17,611 --> 00:54:21,389
As a university student from South Florida,

832
00:54:21,389 --> 00:54:22,893
I was deprived of the opportunity

833
00:54:22,893 --> 00:54:27,260
to grow up with safe, organized transit for much of my life.

834
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:31,970
It was the norm for my family to get around by separate cars,

835
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:33,336
even as gas prices rose tremendously

836
00:54:33,336 --> 00:54:36,276
and the emissions in cars increased

837
00:54:36,276 --> 00:54:39,816
climate change and the enhanced greenhouse gas effect.

838
00:54:39,816 --> 00:54:41,981
Now that I live here in Central Florida

839
00:54:41,981 --> 00:54:45,354
however, where more attention is paid towards community,

840
00:54:45,354 --> 00:54:49,285
the environment, and finding more productive means

841
00:54:49,285 --> 00:54:52,381
of transport, I find that it's in my best interest

842
00:54:52,381 --> 00:54:56,741
to put any resources possible towards supporting the Star

843
00:54:56,741 --> 00:55:00,341
plan that could encourage the follow

844
00:55:00,485 --> 00:55:04,381
through as a thorough point for the rest of Florida

845
00:55:04,381 --> 00:55:06,384
to replicate throughout the years.

846
00:55:06,384 --> 00:55:09,729
Thank you so much for your consideration and I

847
00:55:09,729 --> 00:55:14,529
heed the rest of my time as well.

848
00:55:15,381 --> 00:55:19,853
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you for your next speaker.

849
00:55:19,853 --> 00:55:21,853
>> Alright folks the next speaker is going to be

850
00:55:21,853 --> 00:55:25,101
Christiana High, followed by Mike Ruggiero, Barry Lardner,

851
00:55:25,101 --> 00:55:29,301
Nelson Shapiro, Barbara McKane, and Rick Baird.

852
00:55:36,701 --> 00:55:39,397
>> Good morning Mayor and commissioners my name is Doctor

853
00:55:39,397 --> 00:55:43,597
Cristiano at 335 South Center Boulevard Winter Park.

854
00:55:43,901 --> 00:55:46,496
I'm speaking on behalf of the Major conservancy teams

855
00:55:46,496 --> 00:55:49,751
in Florida regarding agenda item number

856
00:55:49,751 --> 00:55:54,551
260837 evaluation of Future managed AG uses on properties.

857
00:55:55,157 --> 00:55:58,701
TNC asks that the board carefully weigh water quality

858
00:55:58,701 --> 00:56:01,941
implications and proposed AG uses specifically

859
00:56:01,941 --> 00:56:03,501
categories on greenhouse properties

860
00:56:03,501 --> 00:56:05,211
before taking any action.

861
00:56:05,211 --> 00:56:07,671
There's evidence that categories and operations

862
00:56:07,671 --> 00:56:11,165
near water bodies as the driver of an point source

863
00:56:11,165 --> 00:56:13,669
pollution the resorts and community impacts that

864
00:56:13,669 --> 00:56:16,125
can persist long after it ends.

865
00:56:16,125 --> 00:56:20,925
We request that before developing these terms, that

866
00:56:21,621 --> 00:56:23,951
allow the use of greenspace properties for categories

867
00:56:23,951 --> 00:56:28,141
that the board direct BPD staff to complete water quality impact

868
00:56:28,141 --> 00:56:30,527
assessment for each proposed lease

869
00:56:30,527 --> 00:56:33,541
parcel to understand the state of water quality,

870
00:56:33,541 --> 00:56:35,821
establish appropriate lease conditions,

871
00:56:35,821 --> 00:56:39,561
and confirm consistency with the counties B map targets.

872
00:56:39,561 --> 00:56:41,541
While protecting the land and water resources

873
00:56:41,541 --> 00:56:43,189
that residents depend on.

874
00:56:43,189 --> 00:56:45,991
Orange County like many local governments

875
00:56:45,991 --> 00:56:48,556
is working to have stricter requirements

876
00:56:48,556 --> 00:56:50,593
and it's, thank you for the opportunity

877
00:56:50,593 --> 00:56:53,593
to speak with you today.

878
00:56:53,701 --> 00:56:56,701
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

879
00:56:57,956 --> 00:56:58,456
Thank you.

880
00:56:58,456 --> 00:56:58,458
Next speaker.

881
00:56:58,458 --> 00:57:00,125
>> Good morning everyone, Barry Lardner,

882
00:57:00,125 --> 00:57:01,953
1257 West Christmas Ray Christmas Florida.

883
00:57:01,953 --> 00:57:04,251
I'm here to oppose the consideration

884
00:57:04,251 --> 00:57:08,181
for future agricultural uses on Green Place properties.

885
00:57:08,181 --> 00:57:10,870
The purpose to purchase these lands

886
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:12,681
was to preserve environmentally sensitive lands,

887
00:57:12,681 --> 00:57:14,677
the previous owners not only sold

888
00:57:14,677 --> 00:57:16,807
these lands for that purpose as well, once

889
00:57:16,807 --> 00:57:21,994
sold the land owner terminated leases for agricultural use.

890
00:57:21,994 --> 00:57:23,882
Please know I've been in agriculture

891
00:57:23,882 --> 00:57:25,934
in Orange County for 49 years.

892
00:57:25,934 --> 00:57:31,934
19 years as a ranch hand hauling 40 years providing ag services

893
00:57:32,201 --> 00:57:34,685
and cultural services for many AG

894
00:57:34,685 --> 00:57:38,285
and government agriculture government agencies including

895
00:57:38,381 --> 00:57:39,911
Green Place program.

896
00:57:39,911 --> 00:57:43,511
Recently working on properties being considered

897
00:57:43,821 --> 00:57:48,210
for potential ag use ranch observes lands

898
00:57:48,341 --> 00:57:50,117
degraded in every regard.

899
00:57:50,117 --> 00:57:52,781
If you allow such lands for cattle grazing

900
00:57:52,781 --> 00:57:55,700
it would entail a tremendous cost.

901
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:59,154
Property considered would require new perimeter fencing,

902
00:57:59,154 --> 00:58:03,610
interior fencing consistent cross fences for the purpose

903
00:58:03,610 --> 00:58:05,461
of rotating cattle fencing,

904
00:58:10,189 --> 00:58:11,814
Jerry L. Demings: Thank you Mr. Larson.

905
00:58:11,814 --> 00:58:11,818
We got the point.

906
00:58:11,818 --> 00:58:12,318
Thank you.

907
00:58:12,318 --> 00:58:14,318
Next speaker?

908
00:58:20,224 --> 00:58:22,641
>> Good morning everyone board of commissioners my name is

909
00:58:22,641 --> 00:58:22,776
Nelson Shapiro I'm a city commission planning student here

910
00:58:22,776 --> 00:58:24,845
at UCF I'm also a worker and a resident of two years here

911
00:58:24,845 --> 00:58:25,493
in Orlando.

912
00:58:25,493 --> 00:58:27,781
I'd first like to note that in order to be here

913
00:58:27,781 --> 00:58:29,845
I've had to sacrifice my attendance to lecture,

914
00:58:29,845 --> 00:58:32,357
part of my working hours and also commute here.

915
00:58:32,357 --> 00:58:34,925
Therefore I want it to serve as a reminder to the council

916
00:58:34,925 --> 00:58:37,441
that the voice isn't here today are likely not

917
00:58:37,441 --> 00:58:39,469
truly representative of the total population

918
00:58:39,469 --> 00:58:43,434
as many people are likely at work, school, or far away.

919
00:58:43,434 --> 00:58:46,589
With this I would like to share with the council

920
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:50,210
my critical support of today's proposed Star plan.

921
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:53,467
Due to a lack of public mass transit systems here in Orlando,

922
00:58:53,467 --> 00:58:56,981
we are all paying for the city's primary mode of transportation,

923
00:58:56,981 --> 00:59:00,167
cars, a minimum of four times.

924
00:59:00,167 --> 00:59:02,678
When we pay taxes until that goes towards expensive highway

925
00:59:02,678 --> 00:59:04,530
construction roadway maintenance,

926
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:06,941
and I know this since I work and study in that industry.

927
00:59:06,941 --> 00:59:09,304
Two, we buy or rent vehicles and three

928
00:59:09,304 --> 00:59:10,887
we pay monthly payments for insurance,

929
00:59:10,887 --> 00:59:13,541
and for we all have to pay for gas.

930
00:59:13,541 --> 00:59:15,394
This is not to include the cost of space

931
00:59:15,394 --> 00:59:18,381
for everyone including the city as well as individual repairs

932
00:59:18,381 --> 00:59:21,184
or maintenance, please come we need a true public mass transit

933
00:59:21,184 --> 00:59:22,847
system and we need it now.

934
00:59:22,847 --> 00:59:24,847
Thank you.

935
00:59:25,581 --> 00:59:28,581
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

936
00:59:30,331 --> 00:59:30,831
Thank you.

937
00:59:30,831 --> 00:59:31,331
Next.

938
00:59:31,331 --> 00:59:35,160
Evan hello Barbara McCann I live in the city park since the early

939
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,160
50s.

940
00:59:37,501 --> 00:59:42,301
And, I'm with the safe park Neighborhood Association.

941
00:59:43,167 --> 00:59:46,767
And when Commissioner Mary I Johnson

942
00:59:46,776 --> 00:59:50,878
was our commissioner in district three, we had asked,

943
00:59:50,878 --> 00:59:52,554
she used to come to our meetings,

944
00:59:52,554 --> 00:59:57,129
and we asked her if she could help us get land

945
00:59:57,129 --> 01:00:02,301
to build a park, because there was no park in Isaiah Park,

946
01:00:02,301 --> 01:00:04,850
and the closest park was Inglewood.

947
01:00:04,850 --> 01:00:08,181
So everybody had to cross which was dangerous.

948
01:00:08,181 --> 01:00:14,666
So she went to ou, and acquired land for a very low price,

949
01:00:14,666 --> 01:00:17,133
the rumor was that she got it for a dollar,

950
01:00:17,133 --> 01:00:18,933
but there's no record of that.

951
01:00:18,933 --> 01:00:20,489
But we'll believe it.

952
01:00:20,489 --> 01:00:23,341
So, we got a great park.

953
01:00:23,341 --> 01:00:28,141
It's a dog park, it's now got volleyball,

954
01:00:29,381 --> 01:00:33,781
it's got a skate park that my son helped build.

955
01:00:33,781 --> 01:00:36,181
Shout out to Trent.

956
01:00:37,461 --> 01:00:42,931
And so I'm here to please ask that the naming of the park

957
01:00:42,931 --> 01:00:44,821
get changed to Mary I Johnson.

958
01:00:44,821 --> 01:00:46,821
Thank you.

959
01:00:47,341 --> 01:00:50,341
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

960
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Thank you.

961
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,520
Next time

962
01:01:05,126 --> 01:01:06,793
>> I'm here today as a private resident,

963
01:01:06,793 --> 01:01:10,821
but I also am a member of Orange Audubon Society.

964
01:01:10,821 --> 01:01:14,775
After I was hired from Orange County I went to Oceana County

965
01:01:14,775 --> 01:01:16,576
and I went to a meeting where they

966
01:01:16,576 --> 01:01:20,552
were talking about BMPs and Tmdls on the chain of lakes,

967
01:01:20,552 --> 01:01:25,121
and how they add interest how the ag interest would really

968
01:01:25,121 --> 01:01:30,287
protect, and I asked if as a member of the local government

969
01:01:30,287 --> 01:01:33,443
whose responsibility it was who to meet T&E

970
01:01:33,443 --> 01:01:38,291
and if we could tour some of these and I was told no.

971
01:01:38,291 --> 01:01:42,221
The local representatives could not look at their BMPs.

972
01:01:42,221 --> 01:01:47,637
Secondly, catalysis did exist at one time on Christmas average

973
01:01:47,637 --> 01:01:52,341
Creek but they were canceled several years later.

974
01:01:52,341 --> 01:01:57,593
And finally psilocybin mushrooms to readily grow on cow patties.

975
01:01:57,593 --> 01:01:58,149
So.

976
01:01:58,149 --> 01:02:00,149
Thank you.

977
01:02:01,341 --> 01:02:05,141
Jerry L. Demings: I got Rick, was the last name?

978
01:02:05,141 --> 01:02:06,340
>> Baird.

979
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:08,340
BAIRD.

980
01:02:08,901 --> 01:02:10,520
Jerry L. Demings: Got it.

981
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,200
Thank you.

982
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,921
All right we'll move to the next speaker.

983
01:02:12,921 --> 01:02:16,270
>> All right folks next batch of speakers is going to start with

984
01:02:16,270 --> 01:02:17,651
Mike Patterson.

985
01:02:17,651 --> 01:02:20,510
Followed by Aaron Germer.

986
01:02:20,716 --> 01:02:24,316
David Ward, Robin Ward, Christopher Stalder,

987
01:02:28,621 --> 01:02:30,621
and Janet Ellery.

988
01:02:47,381 --> 01:02:50,410
Good morning mayor and commissioners.

989
01:02:50,410 --> 01:02:54,241
Comptroller diamond, County administrator Brooks, my name

990
01:02:54,461 --> 01:02:58,412
is Mike Patterson I live at 2325 Phillips Road Christmas Florida.

991
01:02:58,412 --> 01:03:02,843
The reason I'm here today is a brief statement com I sit

992
01:03:02,843 --> 01:03:05,541
on the AG Advisory board which y'all appointed me

993
01:03:05,541 --> 01:03:07,474
to on the Green Place board.

994
01:03:07,474 --> 01:03:11,203
But our chair for ag advisory is not here today so he asked me

995
01:03:11,203 --> 01:03:14,645
to make sure that y'all got these points and positions from

996
01:03:14,645 --> 01:03:16,180
the AG advisory.

997
01:03:16,180 --> 01:03:18,981
Also I've attached some letters from the community.

998
01:03:18,981 --> 01:03:22,581
Of support for grazing, the pilot

999
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,237
program on these properties in Roberts branch.

1000
01:03:25,237 --> 01:03:29,651
You'll also find a folder there from UF IFAs,

1001
01:03:29,651 --> 01:03:32,640
it shows other counties that have allowed the grazing

1002
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,541
to be done on some of their properties

1003
01:03:35,541 --> 01:03:39,331
that they were bought just as you bought at.

1004
01:03:39,331 --> 01:03:42,331
So thank you very much,

1005
01:03:45,690 --> 01:03:47,857
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you Mr. Patterson.

1006
01:03:47,857 --> 01:03:49,848
Next speaker.

1007
01:03:49,848 --> 01:03:52,181
>> Good morning Chair and commissioners my name is Aaron

1008
01:03:52,181 --> 01:03:55,858
Germer, I live at 2325 Phillips Road Christmas Florida.

1009
01:03:55,858 --> 01:03:59,133
I'm the president of the Orange County Cattlemen's Association

1010
01:03:59,133 --> 01:04:03,491
and I'm here in support of the Green Place and catalyzes.

1011
01:04:03,491 --> 01:04:06,287
From a land management standpoint

1012
01:04:06,287 --> 01:04:08,310
this pilot program has the potential

1013
01:04:08,310 --> 01:04:12,231
to provide practical benefits to Orange County,

1014
01:04:12,453 --> 01:04:16,653
the county being discussed appears well suited

1015
01:04:18,461 --> 01:04:21,565
to a pilot program for grazing.

1016
01:04:21,565 --> 01:04:23,121
Subject to county approval.

1017
01:04:23,121 --> 01:04:24,901
There's also a stewardship component

1018
01:04:24,901 --> 01:04:26,611
considering community discussion there

1019
01:04:26,611 --> 01:04:28,461
was different views on the true long term

1020
01:04:28,461 --> 01:04:30,261
cost of managing this type of land,

1021
01:04:30,261 --> 01:04:33,321
rather than debate those numbers today we believe a pilot

1022
01:04:33,321 --> 01:04:35,885
program gives the county a practical way

1023
01:04:35,885 --> 01:04:38,967
to evaluate actual cost and actual responsibilities

1024
01:04:38,967 --> 01:04:41,967
and actual land management outcomes.

1025
01:04:42,101 --> 01:04:44,293
A properly structured grazing lease

1026
01:04:44,293 --> 01:04:47,510
may help reduce Orange County's direct maintenance burden

1027
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:48,634
by shifting certain responsibilities

1028
01:04:48,634 --> 01:04:50,100
to the producer.

1029
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,941
Those responsibilities could include

1030
01:04:51,941 --> 01:04:53,887
fencing water insurance maintenance,

1031
01:04:53,887 --> 01:04:56,421
and regular observation of the property.

1032
01:04:56,421 --> 01:04:59,821
This is not about replacing conservation with agriculture,

1033
01:04:59,821 --> 01:05:01,967
it's about using agriculture as a practical tool

1034
01:05:01,967 --> 01:05:04,341
to help the county manage these properties.

1035
01:05:04,341 --> 01:05:06,181
Thank you.

1036
01:05:06,181 --> 01:05:08,581
Thank you Mr. Drummer.

1037
01:05:09,981 --> 01:05:12,981
Jerry L. Demings: Next speaker.

1038
01:05:13,541 --> 01:05:19,467
My name is David Ward, I live at 1703 Taylor Creek Road.

1039
01:05:19,467 --> 01:05:20,837
In Christmas Florida.

1040
01:05:20,837 --> 01:05:29,237
And I would like to give my time to Robin Ward for her comments.

1041
01:05:29,715 --> 01:05:32,173
Jerry L. Demings: Unfortunately can't give your time to her

1042
01:05:32,173 --> 01:05:33,600
during this session.

1043
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,600
But you're welcome to speak.

1044
01:05:36,207 --> 01:05:38,754
>> All right then I'll make a few comments myself.

1045
01:05:38,754 --> 01:05:41,261
I'm a lifetime resident of Orange County.

1046
01:05:41,261 --> 01:05:43,565
And I am a cattle producer.

1047
01:05:43,565 --> 01:05:49,551
Cattle has been an integral part of Florida for over 400 years.

1048
01:05:49,551 --> 01:05:53,470
We still have our wetlands, we still have our streams,

1049
01:05:53,470 --> 01:05:56,470
we still have our rivers.

1050
01:05:57,141 --> 01:06:02,541
I just asked the commission to do due consideration

1051
01:06:03,389 --> 01:06:08,450
for the proposal set forth by the AG Advisory Board

1052
01:06:08,450 --> 01:06:14,450
for the pilot program to see the reality of cattle,

1053
01:06:14,626 --> 01:06:21,826
not just a lot of data showing what could happen, excuse me.

1054
01:06:23,381 --> 01:06:24,421
That's all.

1055
01:06:24,421 --> 01:06:26,421
Thank you.

1056
01:06:27,534 --> 01:06:28,701
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1057
01:06:28,701 --> 01:06:29,201
Mr. Ward.

1058
01:06:29,201 --> 01:06:30,261
You did a fine job.

1059
01:06:30,261 --> 01:06:32,261
Next speaker?

1060
01:06:33,248 --> 01:06:35,581
>> Good morning Mayor and commissioners my name is Robin

1061
01:06:35,581 --> 01:06:39,176
Ward, 1703 Tinder Creek Road and Christmas,

1062
01:06:39,176 --> 01:06:43,303
as a member of the AG Advisory Board I'd like to make a comment

1063
01:06:43,303 --> 01:06:47,503
regarding BMPs and safeguards on Roberts Branch.

1064
01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:50,234
The Agriculture Advisory Committee

1065
01:06:50,581 --> 01:06:54,634
should draw forward on what the strong best management

1066
01:06:54,634 --> 01:06:55,621
practices.

1067
01:06:55,621 --> 01:06:57,741
Clear safeguards and accountability.

1068
01:06:57,741 --> 01:07:00,501
First, cattle should not have direct access

1069
01:07:00,501 --> 01:07:03,431
to the creeks come wetlands or sensitive water resources.

1070
01:07:03,431 --> 01:07:06,610
Any grazing plan should require controlled water sources

1071
01:07:06,610 --> 01:07:10,261
and appropriate separations from sensitive environmental areas

1072
01:07:10,341 --> 01:07:13,341
second the pilot should require formal best management

1073
01:07:13,341 --> 01:07:16,381
practices these should include rotating grazing,

1074
01:07:16,381 --> 01:07:18,721
appropriate stocking rates, repairing

1075
01:07:18,721 --> 01:07:22,251
the wetland buffers, on site watering

1076
01:07:22,251 --> 01:07:24,621
systems and ongoing monitoring.

1077
01:07:24,621 --> 01:07:28,221
Third, the least must be structured correctly.

1078
01:07:28,221 --> 01:07:31,741
If the producers to expect to be invested

1079
01:07:31,741 --> 01:07:34,861
in fencing water structures and maintenance in the lease

1080
01:07:34,861 --> 01:07:37,221
term and lease conditions must realistically

1081
01:07:37,221 --> 01:07:40,821
be enough to attract responsible operators.

1082
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:42,981
Thank you.

1083
01:07:42,981 --> 01:07:45,821
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1084
01:07:45,821 --> 01:07:47,821
Thank you.

1085
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,747
>> Good morning Mayor and commissioners.

1086
01:07:52,747 --> 01:07:53,404
Neighbors.

1087
01:07:53,404 --> 01:07:57,261
I'm Christopher Stahlgren, I reside at 5102 Saint Germain

1088
01:07:57,261 --> 01:08:00,127
Avenue in Bel Air Florida.

1089
01:08:00,127 --> 01:08:03,501
And I'm an advocate for the housing and and with the support

1090
01:08:03,501 --> 01:08:07,231
Orlando shelters and I was delighted to see the news about

1091
01:08:07,231 --> 01:08:11,541
the county purchasing the 200 room hotel near the 33rd Street

1092
01:08:11,541 --> 01:08:15,290
jail, and I hope that it is utilized as another pathway

1093
01:08:15,290 --> 01:08:17,514
for people to find permanent housing.

1094
01:08:17,514 --> 01:08:19,818
I think that's a great location.

1095
01:08:19,818 --> 01:08:24,510
Near the jail to get people in and moved on with their lives

1096
01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:26,645
and in a positive direction.

1097
01:08:26,645 --> 01:08:28,783
I live near the international airport,

1098
01:08:28,783 --> 01:08:33,810
and I see more people all the time experiencing homelessness.

1099
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:36,877
Just last week I saw for the first time on South Conway Road

1100
01:08:36,877 --> 01:08:41,101
a woman sleeping on the sidewalk across from Lake Conway East

1101
01:08:41,101 --> 01:08:45,161
neighborhood in front of these huge monstrous warehouses

1102
01:08:45,161 --> 01:08:50,117
that are built on speculation near the airport for industry.

1103
01:08:50,117 --> 01:08:54,429
If we can leave those huge warehouses empty and brand

1104
01:08:54,429 --> 01:08:57,469
new waiting for possible tenants come

1105
01:08:57,469 --> 01:09:00,567
we can certainly do something to help the homeless population.

1106
01:09:00,567 --> 01:09:02,567
Thank you.

1107
01:09:03,621 --> 01:09:05,101
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1108
01:09:05,101 --> 01:09:06,274
Thank you.

1109
01:09:06,274 --> 01:09:11,674
And, let's help her with getting that mic down.

1110
01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:29,730
>> Good morning.

1111
01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:33,163
My name is Shayna, I'm the president of the HOA.

1112
01:09:33,163 --> 01:09:36,554
We have been trying to get the complex back together

1113
01:09:36,554 --> 01:09:41,781
and see what we can do to bring it back together.

1114
01:09:41,781 --> 01:09:48,261
But there's always someone that comes along and tears it down.

1115
01:09:48,261 --> 01:09:51,781
Whether we're trying to get it approved again.

1116
01:09:51,781 --> 01:09:56,581
I'm tired, I'm ready to leave and just leave it alone.

1117
01:09:56,581 --> 01:09:59,981
The place needs to really be gone.

1118
01:09:59,981 --> 01:10:02,410
I'm just tired of it.

1119
01:10:02,410 --> 01:10:04,410
Thank you.

1120
01:10:04,821 --> 01:10:07,631
Jerry L. Demings: What was your last name again?

1121
01:10:07,631 --> 01:10:08,261
Ellery.

1122
01:10:08,261 --> 01:10:12,647
And are you referencing the area there off of Michigan?

1123
01:10:12,647 --> 01:10:14,274
Or which area?

1124
01:10:14,274 --> 01:10:15,161
Timberscombe.

1125
01:10:15,161 --> 01:10:15,661
Okay.

1126
01:10:15,661 --> 01:10:16,301
All right.

1127
01:10:16,301 --> 01:10:18,301
Thank you.

1128
01:10:25,837 --> 01:10:28,420
>> All right our next batch of speakers is going to start with

1129
01:10:28,420 --> 01:10:33,820
Cynthia Clay Tacoma followed by Chris Downey, Deborah Green,

1130
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,520
seven Charleston, Trini Quiroz, and Michael Montenegro.

1131
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,168
Morning mayor and commissioners my name

1132
01:10:58,168 --> 01:11:02,213
is Chris Dowdy I live on one two Park Road on district five

1133
01:11:02,213 --> 01:11:05,746
I also started as a member of the Dag Advisory Board

1134
01:11:05,746 --> 01:11:08,440
a recommendation today is not to open all Green Place properties

1135
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:10,627
to unrestricted agricultural use, etc.

1136
01:11:10,627 --> 01:11:12,440
Recommendation is much more narrow

1137
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:14,840
we're asking the board to allow a site specific pilot

1138
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,622
program for managed cow grazing on Green Place property

1139
01:11:17,622 --> 01:11:18,705
currently being discussed.

1140
01:11:18,705 --> 01:11:21,386
The key policy issues the difference between preservation

1141
01:11:21,386 --> 01:11:22,720
and conservation.

1142
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,463
Preservation generally means a hands off approach.

1143
01:11:25,463 --> 01:11:27,380
Conservation allows for active land management

1144
01:11:27,380 --> 01:11:30,200
and the management supports long term health of land.

1145
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,264
Green place properties are already being actively

1146
01:11:32,264 --> 01:11:35,000
managed in some form if the county is mowing

1147
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,000
maintaining controlling vegetation repairing access

1148
01:11:38,410 --> 01:11:40,220
or managing public use and the land

1149
01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:42,906
is not being treated as untouched preservation.

1150
01:11:42,906 --> 01:11:46,453
The question is whether or not whether management should occur,

1151
01:11:46,453 --> 01:11:50,240
is which is the most effective management tool.

1152
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,490
Managed grazing is not simply an agricultural use

1153
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:55,120
properly structured as a recognized Conservational land

1154
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,130
management practice.

1155
01:11:56,130 --> 01:11:59,220
We can look to the cattlemen and ranchers of Orange County

1156
01:11:59,220 --> 01:12:02,100
as great stewards of the land, and I appreciate your time.

1157
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,100
Thank you.

1158
01:12:04,433 --> 01:12:05,600
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1159
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:06,100
Thank you.

1160
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:08,100
Next speaker.

1161
01:12:09,887 --> 01:12:12,304
>> Good morning my name is Cynthia Claytor call my address

1162
01:12:12,304 --> 01:12:13,392
is 2529!

1163
01:12:13,392 --> 01:12:14,880
Court Orlando Florida.

1164
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,737
I'm here to speak about Biscayne like Miss Janet did.

1165
01:12:18,737 --> 01:12:22,453
We met last year and I was a big advocate

1166
01:12:22,453 --> 01:12:25,245
for staying in keeper's canon and trying to rescue at.

1167
01:12:25,245 --> 01:12:27,680
At this point I don't feel the same way.

1168
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,180
We're still having a lot of problems

1169
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:30,888
come we're having financial difficulties,

1170
01:12:30,888 --> 01:12:34,160
we need help in timber scam and we're not getting it.

1171
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,860
Everything has gone downhill, further than we ever

1172
01:12:36,860 --> 01:12:38,600
thought it could go.

1173
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,440
So come at this point in time I don't believe

1174
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:42,352
it's worth saving any more.

1175
01:12:42,352 --> 01:12:44,112
I believe that the residents need

1176
01:12:44,112 --> 01:12:46,100
to find new places to go including myself.

1177
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:47,360
And Miss Janet.

1178
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,257
We are 72 and 73 years old at this time,

1179
01:12:51,257 --> 01:12:54,680
and we can no longer take what's going on in there.

1180
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,765
It's just hard to stop things when you can't even

1181
01:12:58,765 --> 01:13:00,320
get the police to do it.

1182
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,130
So come I'm here to just speak on that point.

1183
01:13:03,130 --> 01:13:05,600
Because I know you're going to talk about Timbers canon today.

1184
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:06,576
And we need help.

1185
01:13:06,576 --> 01:13:07,680
We really do.

1186
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,740
Because we're not getting it at this point.

1187
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:11,828
So that's what I'm here to talk about.

1188
01:13:11,828 --> 01:13:14,731
We are ready to go just like Janet said I am too.

1189
01:13:14,731 --> 01:13:16,456
That's all I had to say.

1190
01:13:16,456 --> 01:13:17,360
Thank you.

1191
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,800
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1192
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:20,746
Thank you.

1193
01:13:20,746 --> 01:13:25,232
We will have a presentation later this morning

1194
01:13:25,232 --> 01:13:26,768
about timber scan.

1195
01:13:26,768 --> 01:13:27,760
So.

1196
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,206
And some of the things that we're able to do.

1197
01:13:31,206 --> 01:13:33,206
So thank you.

1198
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,160
Okay good morning.

1199
01:13:41,258 --> 01:13:42,925
>> Good morning Mayor and Commissioners.

1200
01:13:42,925 --> 01:13:43,975
Thank you.

1201
01:13:43,975 --> 01:13:48,936
I'm Deborah Green from Orange Audubon, P.O. Box 274 Aqua for.

1202
01:13:48,936 --> 01:13:52,320
And Orange Audubon has been a partner for the Green Place

1203
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,520
program over the years, I appreciate these properties

1204
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,928
as well-managed habitats for wildlife.

1205
01:13:57,928 --> 01:14:02,760
And for people to hike and enjoy nature.

1206
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,533
Each year we hold two walks in collaboration

1207
01:14:05,533 --> 01:14:07,273
with Orange County.

1208
01:14:07,273 --> 01:14:12,640
And the point I'd like to make about the damage of grazing

1209
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,664
is that the cattle actually damage

1210
01:14:16,340 --> 01:14:19,260
the sensitive native grasses that

1211
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:24,800
are a key part of those ecosystems and other plants.

1212
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:30,296
And, on the coats of the cattle, come seeds of invasive species

1213
01:14:30,296 --> 01:14:36,400
that can then take hold and are very hard to eliminate.

1214
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,400
And the habitats, prescribed burning

1215
01:14:39,952 --> 01:14:42,476
may be limited with cattle on the property and birds

1216
01:14:42,476 --> 01:14:44,740
and gopher tortoises and other native species

1217
01:14:44,740 --> 01:14:47,660
that the Green Place program has been trying to support

1218
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:49,460
will be set back.

1219
01:14:49,460 --> 01:14:53,600
So thank you for your attention.

1220
01:14:56,673 --> 01:14:57,840
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1221
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:58,420
Thank you.

1222
01:14:58,420 --> 01:15:00,420
Next please.

1223
01:15:05,164 --> 01:15:07,920
>> (Speaking in another language) one would think that

1224
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:12,800
after 60 long years of community advocacy, one would be tired,

1225
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,800
sleeping, eating or doing something.

1226
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:21,920
But anyone come any taxpayer come any citizen any person

1227
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,560
with humanity to attend these meetings.

1228
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,580
When you go home, put your computer

1229
01:15:27,580 --> 01:15:31,368
and see who pays attention when somebody comes here

1230
01:15:31,368 --> 01:15:34,826
to express their feelings in one minute

1231
01:15:34,826 --> 01:15:39,288
and who knows, maybe that you have a $7 parking

1232
01:15:39,288 --> 01:15:42,240
bill across the street just to be here.

1233
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,640
Community people, advocates, people

1234
01:15:46,272 --> 01:15:48,968
who care for your community come to these meetings

1235
01:15:48,968 --> 01:15:54,444
and repeat over and over and over that you are the taxpayers,

1236
01:15:54,444 --> 01:15:57,900
you pay salaries to the people to do

1237
01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:00,420
a decent job for the people.

1238
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:02,992
I am so sick and tired of coming to these meetings

1239
01:16:02,992 --> 01:16:04,980
but I will continue to come.

1240
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:06,800
Thank you.

1241
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,000
Jerry L. Demings: All right Pierre thank you miss Kiros.

1242
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,564
Just a reminder to those of you in the audience.

1243
01:16:12,564 --> 01:16:14,893
I know most of you probably know the rules,

1244
01:16:14,893 --> 01:16:16,806
but I'm going to repeat this.

1245
01:16:16,806 --> 01:16:19,630
Remember while we are in these proceedings

1246
01:16:19,630 --> 01:16:21,170
to maintain the decorum.

1247
01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:26,600
There should be no clapping, no outward making of noise

1248
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:27,140
or otherwise.

1249
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:28,400
Okay?

1250
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,355
You get a Warning, we want you to stay.

1251
01:16:32,355 --> 01:16:34,984
Otherwise come if you don't follow the rules then

1252
01:16:34,984 --> 01:16:36,226
we will ask you to leave.

1253
01:16:36,226 --> 01:16:36,880
Thank you.

1254
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:37,760
All right.

1255
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,760
Yes sir.

1256
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,210
>> Hello, my name is Mark Montenegro.

1257
01:16:42,210 --> 01:16:45,312
I'm from 32826 sunrise Orlando I'm here

1258
01:16:45,312 --> 01:16:47,573
to support the star plan, recently just

1259
01:16:47,573 --> 01:16:50,900
had a town hall in district A at South Creek Library

1260
01:16:50,900 --> 01:16:51,250
it was pretty fun.

1261
01:16:51,250 --> 01:16:54,260
We met a lot of people from Hunters Creek,

1262
01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:57,202
multiple people told me how much they

1263
01:16:57,202 --> 01:17:01,100
love how the star plan focuses on different nodes and activity

1264
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:05,520
in Orange County and not just downtown, and not just downtown

1265
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:06,480
transportation.

1266
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:09,917
In practice, in my experience I live in the UCF area

1267
01:17:09,917 --> 01:17:13,119
and you see five I try to go to the airport to use the by line

1268
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:16,773
and it took 2.5 hours even though it's a 30 minute car

1269
01:17:16,773 --> 01:17:17,273
ride.

1270
01:17:17,273 --> 01:17:19,920
But to go to downtown which is technically a longer distance

1271
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,608
only takes like an hour and 15 minutes.

1272
01:17:22,608 --> 01:17:27,620
After I traveled here from Miami a three hour trip I

1273
01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:30,736
had almost the same amount of time, 2.5 hours commuting

1274
01:17:30,736 --> 01:17:34,698
from the same county from district three to district five.

1275
01:17:34,698 --> 01:17:36,666
The airport to my home.

1276
01:17:36,666 --> 01:17:39,146
So, please support the Star plan and also support

1277
01:17:39,146 --> 01:17:40,106
Orlando shelters.

1278
01:17:40,106 --> 01:17:42,506
Thank you so much.

1279
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,800
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1280
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:45,300
Thank you.

1281
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:47,300
Next speaker please?

1282
01:17:50,757 --> 01:17:53,340
>> Good morning my name is seven Charleston I live in district

1283
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:59,940
six, and I am here in support of the Star plan.

1284
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,853
All my life I have had to do public transportation

1285
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:10,530
because my parents only have one car.

1286
01:18:10,283 --> 01:18:14,880
I went to UCF downtown comet takes me

1287
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,000
like two hours from Pine Hills to UCF.

1288
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,906
So, I spent four hours each day going to school,

1289
01:18:20,906 --> 01:18:23,680
I was working two jobs and doing a lot

1290
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,191
of other community related stuff so my life was

1291
01:18:26,191 --> 01:18:27,480
kind of impossible.

1292
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:32,172
And, you know, just for access to opportunities and things

1293
01:18:32,172 --> 01:18:34,325
of that sort, public transportation

1294
01:18:34,325 --> 01:18:37,412
is a lifeline for a lot of people.

1295
01:18:37,412 --> 01:18:42,200
A lot of underprivileged areas, and mainly the people

1296
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,880
who use public transportation are elders, youth, immigrants,

1297
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,320
disabled, a lot of people who need access to opportunities.

1298
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,280
My organization Seeds of Pine Hills we

1299
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,228
work with a lot of juvenile juveniles,

1300
01:18:58,708 --> 01:19:02,308
and they also need that opportunity.

1301
01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:06,371
So thank you guys who came here and support that com

1302
01:19:06,371 --> 01:19:09,233
I hope you have a good day.

1303
01:19:09,233 --> 01:19:10,400
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1304
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,720
Thank you sir.

1305
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:12,800
Next please.

1306
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,663
>> Right next batch of speakers we're gonna start with Barocio

1307
01:19:14,663 --> 01:19:19,260
Campbell, followed by doctor Jim Moyer, hope Adelson,

1308
01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:23,460
Eugene staccato, Dominic Verardi, and Will Larkins.

1309
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,680
And Vivian Robey.

1310
01:19:42,192 --> 01:19:43,984
>> Good morning, how are y'all doing today?

1311
01:19:43,984 --> 01:19:48,168
I'm Horatio Campbell 449 Chantel Road Orlando Florida.

1312
01:19:48,168 --> 01:19:54,168
I'm here on behalf of -- basically I'm here looking

1313
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:55,886
for support.

1314
01:19:55,886 --> 01:19:58,897
I put a petition in to try to get a bathroom

1315
01:19:58,897 --> 01:20:01,968
at Cadence Square Park, I'm doing this

1316
01:20:01,968 --> 01:20:03,760
because this is the area that I grew up in.

1317
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,590
I did a lot of time incarcerated and during that time

1318
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:08,590
of incarceration I did a lot of self-reflecting,

1319
01:20:08,590 --> 01:20:12,224
and after I did that self-reflection I started

1320
01:20:12,224 --> 01:20:14,780
to realize a pattern in my community.

1321
01:20:14,780 --> 01:20:17,280
I started to realize that we was raised the wrong way.

1322
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,460
We had a lot of dysfunction, we had a lot of trauma growing up

1323
01:20:21,460 --> 01:20:23,960
which led to starting this corporation

1324
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,423
to help transform the lives of the young people

1325
01:20:26,423 --> 01:20:27,900
in my community.

1326
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,806
And I want to start by helping them get back

1327
01:20:30,806 --> 01:20:33,120
Katie Park since it's no longer a dangerous area

1328
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,245
and people are starting to chill at the park a lot.

1329
01:20:35,245 --> 01:20:37,128
And there's no way to wash their hands,

1330
01:20:37,128 --> 01:20:39,824
if an accident happens no one can wash their face

1331
01:20:39,824 --> 01:20:40,793
or nothing like that.

1332
01:20:40,793 --> 01:20:42,790
But I am looking for a connection

1333
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:45,413
to help bring my vision to life.

1334
01:20:45,413 --> 01:20:47,200
Have a great day.

1335
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,853
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1336
01:20:49,853 --> 01:20:51,440
Thank you for the suggestion.

1337
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,328
I'll look to the county administrator

1338
01:20:53,328 --> 01:20:56,328
to have the team evaluate.

1339
01:20:58,242 --> 01:21:00,200
>> I actually spoke with him earlier last week.

1340
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,800
Oh there he is right there.

1341
01:21:08,386 --> 01:21:09,886
>> Good morning mayor commissioners,

1342
01:21:09,886 --> 01:21:15,456
my name is Doctor Jim Moyer, I'm elected on the Whittier District

1343
01:21:15,456 --> 01:21:20,256
two supervisor serving Northwest Orange County including Lockhart

1344
01:21:20,860 --> 01:21:24,460
Felwood and Tangerine and unincorporated orange.

1345
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:29,950
I'm here today, well, my responsibility

1346
01:21:31,773 --> 01:21:34,866
within the constraints of the law

1347
01:21:34,866 --> 01:21:37,912
is to work with other governmental entities

1348
01:21:37,912 --> 01:21:40,312
to serve the people.

1349
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,426
The City of alpaca has given me an opportunity

1350
01:21:44,426 --> 01:21:49,464
to work one on one starting this Thursday every month.

1351
01:21:49,464 --> 01:21:51,600
With office hours there.

1352
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:56,200
I have sent a letter to Cauee for the same thing,

1353
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,270
eight ville Chamber of Commerce has offered,

1354
01:21:59,270 --> 01:22:00,926
we haven't worked out the details.

1355
01:22:00,926 --> 01:22:06,326
I've sent a letter to Orlando Commissioner district three

1356
01:22:06,656 --> 01:22:12,200
Roger Chaffin, and I am asking Orange County would it

1357
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,632
be possible to in the future work out

1358
01:22:14,632 --> 01:22:18,340
some kind of arrangement where I could meet one on one

1359
01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:19,840
and promote things like conservation

1360
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,400
of water conservation and the smart irrigation.

1361
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:27,700
Thank you, God bless you.

1362
01:22:27,827 --> 01:22:29,952
Jerry L. Demings: All right Doctor Mario real quick

1363
01:22:29,952 --> 01:22:31,535
just send me a letter with the details

1364
01:22:31,535 --> 01:22:33,940
and what you're looking at doing.

1365
01:22:33,940 --> 01:22:36,880
And we will evaluate okay?

1366
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,120
>> Thank you sir.

1367
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,560
Jerry L. Demings: You're welcome.

1368
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,560
All right next speaker please.

1369
01:22:43,737 --> 01:22:46,112
>> I'm gonna try to summarize 20 minutes into one minute.

1370
01:22:46,112 --> 01:22:47,412
I'm just joking.

1371
01:22:47,412 --> 01:22:50,412
Good morning mayor and commissioners,

1372
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:54,293
I'm going to talk about two issues really quick.

1373
01:22:54,293 --> 01:22:59,693
So, my name is Eugene staccato, 331 Roswell Avenue Orlando,

1374
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,760
I'm still there as of this morning.

1375
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,885
I'm a board member on Green Place

1376
01:23:07,885 --> 01:23:10,992
I was one of the bad people I guess who wanted to push forward

1377
01:23:10,992 --> 01:23:13,320
the study on using grazing.

1378
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,784
The thinking I was coming from was looking at what

1379
01:23:15,784 --> 01:23:19,536
our biological center has done on the ranch on the 10,000 acre

1380
01:23:19,536 --> 01:23:22,373
ranch that they've been using for about 30 years now

1381
01:23:22,373 --> 01:23:26,102
as a research station I'm using cattle as part of the tool set.

1382
01:23:26,102 --> 01:23:28,730
And that's what I'm trying to think

1383
01:23:28,730 --> 01:23:29,880
about is can we use cattle?

1384
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,460
And also goats.

1385
01:23:31,460 --> 01:23:35,600
That's actually a spot on invasive.

1386
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,313
And that's been done with kudzu.

1387
01:23:37,313 --> 01:23:40,468
And my thinking is more of a tool not

1388
01:23:40,468 --> 01:23:42,136
a giant grazing program.

1389
01:23:42,136 --> 01:23:45,160
So this is just one of the things in the toolkit.

1390
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:49,912
The other thing is about this afternoon about the 2050 issue.

1391
01:23:49,912 --> 01:23:52,280
I've got some worries that the state has

1392
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,346
taken a lot of our tools away from the 2050 plan,

1393
01:23:56,346 --> 01:24:00,900
and that might leave us open if we go adopt a show of 2050.

1394
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:04,150
So maybe the proper thing to do is to look at the 2030

1395
01:24:04,150 --> 01:24:07,680
and do a year on it and modifying a ten year extension.

1396
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:08,760
Thank you.

1397
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,224
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you Mr. Staccato.

1398
01:24:12,224 --> 01:24:14,224
The next speaker?

1399
01:24:17,468 --> 01:24:19,760
>> Good morning my name is Hope Adelson I live at 32806

1400
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,413
and before I begin I would just like to express my condolences

1401
01:24:22,413 --> 01:24:23,580
to Commissioner Cordero.

1402
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:26,760
I am here with the Sunrise Movement Orlando

1403
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,946
in support of the Star Rapid Transit Plan.

1404
01:24:28,946 --> 01:24:31,173
I was born and raised here in Orlando

1405
01:24:31,173 --> 01:24:34,264
and I am a proud recent graduate of Boone High School.

1406
01:24:34,264 --> 01:24:38,662
In high school I was extremely lucky to have access to a car.

1407
01:24:38,662 --> 01:24:41,320
Car insurance is just really expensive coming gas

1408
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:42,970
prices are only getting higher.

1409
01:24:42,970 --> 01:24:45,340
This is an important reason why Orlando would benefit

1410
01:24:45,340 --> 01:24:47,673
from extended transportation infrastructure

1411
01:24:47,673 --> 01:24:49,840
comment would connect many people not just teenagers

1412
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,304
to their jobs come with their homes,

1413
01:24:52,304 --> 01:24:54,520
and schools in a way that is more affordable.

1414
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,300
Additionally I'm becoming an adult

1415
01:24:56,300 --> 01:24:59,140
in a world that is trying to grapple with the climate crisis.

1416
01:24:59,140 --> 01:25:01,960
Climate change is the reason our Summers are only getting hotter

1417
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,640
and the hurricanes we are faced with

1418
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,640
are only getting more extreme and more frequent.

1419
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,160
We need to fight for our homes and the next generation

1420
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,200
of Floridians.

1421
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,912
By implementing the Star plan we can lower carbon emissions

1422
01:25:12,912 --> 01:25:16,140
in Orange County by an estimated 15 to 20%.

1423
01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:17,800
Thank you for listening comment I

1424
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:25,000
hope I can count on your support for funding public Jerry L.

1425
01:25:25,153 --> 01:25:25,945
Demings: All right.

1426
01:25:25,945 --> 01:25:26,445
Thank you.

1427
01:25:26,445 --> 01:25:27,680
Next speaker?

1428
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:32,480
Ma'am hello board my name is Don I live in 3276 in Oviedo.

1429
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:35,346
But I'm actually moving downtown because I'm tired of traffic.

1430
01:25:35,346 --> 01:25:38,960
I would love to ride the colorful busses every day.

1431
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,640
They absolutely make my day all of the people on the bus

1432
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,555
because you know reducing our risk of death every day I think

1433
01:25:45,555 --> 01:25:47,863
is something that's important to all of us,

1434
01:25:47,863 --> 01:25:50,933
and when there's 16,000 car accidents in America every day,

1435
01:25:50,933 --> 01:25:55,608
it's kind of scary to experience our community together people

1436
01:25:55,608 --> 01:25:57,410
say oh well people go out.

1437
01:25:57,410 --> 01:26:00,730
But when your entire environment requires $12,000 a year

1438
01:26:00,730 --> 01:26:05,208
on average just to own a car, that's literally a society based

1439
01:26:05,208 --> 01:26:07,977
on classism and racism which it's not your job as the board

1440
01:26:07,977 --> 01:26:11,273
to fix that, but supporting sunrise and the star plan can

1441
01:26:11,273 --> 01:26:13,240
help to mitigate the effects of those.

1442
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,128
Can not only help people who are disabled,

1443
01:26:15,128 --> 01:26:20,260
lower class, and on the margins of our society, but everyone.

1444
01:26:20,260 --> 01:26:20,925
Literally everyone.

1445
01:26:20,925 --> 01:26:23,906
Because most people don't yearn to sit in traffic and drive,

1446
01:26:23,906 --> 01:26:25,980
they yearn for each other.

1447
01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:28,700
And that's something that has been stripped away

1448
01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:31,120
from us because of car dependency and decades

1449
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:31,900
of decisions.

1450
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:33,440
But support the star plan.

1451
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:34,400
Thank you.

1452
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,880
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1453
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,240
Thank you.

1454
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:39,600
Next speaker.

1455
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,264
Hi my name is Will Larkin's, I'm a lifelong Orlando N

1456
01:26:43,264 --> 01:26:46,680
and I graduated one of Brook High School Go Wildcats.

1457
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,213
But I go to FIU in Miami now and I study sustainability.

1458
01:26:50,213 --> 01:26:53,593
And I think it's really cool that you guys have

1459
01:26:53,593 --> 01:26:55,640
it seems like many different ways

1460
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,192
to help your constituents and community today.

1461
01:26:58,192 --> 01:27:00,944
So I'm here today in support of the Star plan,

1462
01:27:00,944 --> 01:27:03,664
not just because of safety, like you mentioned

1463
01:27:03,664 --> 01:27:05,289
there's a lot of car accidents, in fact

1464
01:27:05,289 --> 01:27:06,914
according to the Florida Traffic Safety

1465
01:27:06,914 --> 01:27:10,188
Dashboard approximately 58 to 70 car accidents occur

1466
01:27:10,188 --> 01:27:12,426
every single day in Orlando.

1467
01:27:12,426 --> 01:27:15,400
But, we also have America's farmers here and as

1468
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,400
we know Florida is one of the fastest developing

1469
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,137
places on earth, in fact 20 acres of Florida's wild land

1470
01:27:20,137 --> 01:27:21,720
is cleared every hour for development.

1471
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,900
So if we're able to come I didn't

1472
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:25,413
have a car in high school, so I saw

1473
01:27:25,413 --> 01:27:27,680
how there's entire sections of Orange County that

1474
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,380
are completely inaccessible by public transportation,

1475
01:27:30,380 --> 01:27:34,613
and the more people that are able to take the bus like I

1476
01:27:34,613 --> 01:27:37,260
wouldn't drive if I was given the opportunity.

1477
01:27:37,260 --> 01:27:41,103
The more development we can have because instead of building out

1478
01:27:41,103 --> 01:27:43,910
into our forest and into our agricultural land we can build

1479
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:46,160
on top of parking lot so it keeps people safer comment

1480
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,770
protects our farmland from future development,

1481
01:27:48,770 --> 01:27:51,120
and also I would like to say I support our immigrant neighbors,

1482
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,408
please sign that bill, looks like y'all have a lot

1483
01:27:53,408 --> 01:27:54,960
of opportunity to help today.

1484
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,404
Thank you.

1485
01:27:56,404 --> 01:27:56,946
>> All right.

1486
01:27:56,946 --> 01:27:57,760
Thank you sir.

1487
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,760
Next speaker please?

1488
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,520
Hi my name is Vivian Ravi, I'm from zip code

1489
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,396
32803 I'm here in support of the Star plan.

1490
01:28:13,396 --> 01:28:14,896
I have been writing public transport

1491
01:28:14,896 --> 01:28:19,930
for the past few years, and it has been such a great way for me

1492
01:28:19,930 --> 01:28:22,120
to connect with people that I never would have.

1493
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:27,700
My father is in in Orange County, he's on a work release,

1494
01:28:27,700 --> 01:28:30,560
and he works a few buildings over,

1495
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,133
his commute is 30 minutes by the SunRail,

1496
01:28:34,133 --> 01:28:37,920
but on weekends it's an hour and 20 minutes each way

1497
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,168
riding the bus.

1498
01:28:39,168 --> 01:28:43,880
So that kind of sucks for him, he has no other option.

1499
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,680
Also, support for the homeless people in Orlando.

1500
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:53,657
As I've grown up I feel like I see more and more people

1501
01:28:53,657 --> 01:28:54,816
living on the streets.

1502
01:28:54,816 --> 01:28:56,576
And that's very concerning.

1503
01:28:56,576 --> 01:28:57,648
So yeah.

1504
01:28:57,648 --> 01:29:00,720
Thank you so much for your time, thank you

1505
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,760
for upholding the democracy today, and listening

1506
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:04,504
to the people.

1507
01:29:04,504 --> 01:29:05,480
Thank you.

1508
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:08,530
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1509
01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:09,500
Thank you miss ROV.

1510
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:10,273
Next speaker?

1511
01:29:10,273 --> 01:29:12,690
>> All right next batch of speakers is going to start with

1512
01:29:12,690 --> 01:29:18,900
Jan Carlo Rodriguez, followed by Liz Connor, Lashonda Jones,

1513
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,680
Wesley Lewis?

1514
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:29,440
Kendrick gray Jr, Matthew Dore, Claire Von der.

1515
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,120
And Bryant B.

1516
01:29:44,336 --> 01:29:46,440
>> Good morning orange County Commission,

1517
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:48,336
I also do want to extend my condolences to Commissioner

1518
01:29:48,336 --> 01:29:51,800
Cordero Phillip was an incredible guy and it was always

1519
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:53,816
a pleasure working with M. Good morning Orange County Commission

1520
01:29:53,816 --> 01:29:57,696
my name is Karen Rodriguez I'm with Orlando here to support

1521
01:29:57,696 --> 01:30:01,120
the Star Transit plan at Grants grassroots initiative to fund

1522
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,200
busses and trains all across Orange County,

1523
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,395
we're looking forward to being heard by the Orange County

1524
01:30:05,395 --> 01:30:07,800
Commission on Tuesday September 29th, save the date,

1525
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,680
and we are excited for the board to vote yes to the study and we

1526
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,680
look forward to seeing y'all's yes vote.

1527
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,288
Stars built a framework with tiffs,

1528
01:30:15,288 --> 01:30:18,800
as citizens board and trust fund to support transportation

1529
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,520
in the long term, by passing star

1530
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,103
we created transparent systems that

1531
01:30:23,103 --> 01:30:26,512
make it easier to pass the sales tax and use TT dollars.

1532
01:30:26,512 --> 01:30:30,360
As convos with the tourist development task continue

1533
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:36,800
the task has an opportunity to support terrorism tourism while

1534
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,800
supporting families. -- support tourism.

1535
01:30:40,152 --> 01:30:41,580
Not only that connecting tourists

1536
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:43,605
to where people live in Orlando can create

1537
01:30:43,605 --> 01:30:44,730
new economic opportunities.

1538
01:30:44,730 --> 01:30:47,750
We hope you will support star and help us build an Orange

1539
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:48,956
County that we can afford.

1540
01:30:48,956 --> 01:30:53,984
I'm also asking the Commission to vote no to the proposition --

1541
01:30:53,984 --> 01:30:57,382
this goes against our common goals.

1542
01:30:57,382 --> 01:30:58,840
Thank you so much have a great day.

1543
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,333
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you so much next speaker.

1544
01:31:02,333 --> 01:31:03,416
>> Good morning everybody.

1545
01:31:03,416 --> 01:31:04,177
We are back.

1546
01:31:04,177 --> 01:31:07,640
So my name is Liz Connor com I live in district five Orlando

1547
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:08,640
Florida 32820.

1548
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,293
So I know later you're going to talk about vision 2050,

1549
01:31:11,293 --> 01:31:12,960
and I have many concerns.

1550
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,400
I think putting a judgment before the case of SB 180

1551
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,263
can be dangerous because we haven't seen how that plays out,

1552
01:31:20,263 --> 01:31:21,840
I don't agree with developers being

1553
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,920
able to opt out in certain environmental rules

1554
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,508
and rural sensitive areas.

1555
01:31:26,508 --> 01:31:28,133
I think it made sense for certain areas

1556
01:31:28,133 --> 01:31:29,480
but you know they're going to opt out.

1557
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:30,840
That's going to happen right?

1558
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,760
That goes against the work that this board did,

1559
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,120
that goes against the work that we did,

1560
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,480
and the community voted for.

1561
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:41,195
While I do support vision 2050 personally,

1562
01:31:41,195 --> 01:31:43,664
there are things that just aren't

1563
01:31:43,664 --> 01:31:47,720
right with that potential of putting

1564
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:48,780
the cart before the horse.

1565
01:31:48,780 --> 01:31:52,130
Jumping ahead, trying to save what we can, like I get that.

1566
01:31:52,130 --> 01:31:54,680
But, I think if they don't want to play by the rules of the land

1567
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,550
then that's not the land for you.

1568
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:57,360
That's not the area for you.

1569
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,880
I think you buy that no income and it shouldn't

1570
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:02,648
be the practice that you know it and flip it intentionally

1571
01:32:02,648 --> 01:32:04,720
just for massive profits.

1572
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,850
It's not good for our community, it's not good for scroll,

1573
01:32:07,850 --> 01:32:08,460
you're hanging about traffic come

1574
01:32:08,460 --> 01:32:11,800
you're hearing about safety concerns, flooding, yesterday,

1575
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,144
we have no infrastructure.

1576
01:32:13,144 --> 01:32:15,960
So I just ask that that might not be a good idea.

1577
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,210
Jerry L. Demings: All right thank you very much.

1578
01:32:19,210 --> 01:32:21,210
Next speaker.

1579
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,560
Adam good morning my name is Lashonda Jones.

1580
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:31,560
And I'm here for 2522 Scan Corp. I just needed someone

1581
01:32:32,131 --> 01:32:39,360
to know and to hear me out that right now as temper scan is

1582
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,280
fraudulently removing people and our residents

1583
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:46,960
from their residents by sending out John Doe letters.

1584
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,400
Saying that they're squatters.

1585
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:52,536
I have a contract with timber scan,

1586
01:32:52,536 --> 01:32:58,560
to purchase since 2021 which has not been closed as of yet.

1587
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,712
I've made payments, and I have documents

1588
01:33:02,712 --> 01:33:06,912
to show that I've made those payments.

1589
01:33:06,972 --> 01:33:09,604
And that I've made the payments.

1590
01:33:09,604 --> 01:33:14,893
But, also, I wanted to let you know that two of the board

1591
01:33:14,893 --> 01:33:20,320
members said that they didn't know of any of the papers being

1592
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,920
served, the squatters letters, and they

1593
01:33:25,106 --> 01:33:29,906
said that the names were Connie and Carmen.

1594
01:33:30,648 --> 01:33:33,896
I'm just asking that someone takes the time

1595
01:33:33,896 --> 01:33:39,896
to have justice served and help with those legal issues.

1596
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,960
Thank you.

1597
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,147
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1598
01:33:48,147 --> 01:33:48,647
Thank you.

1599
01:33:48,647 --> 01:33:52,847
We will move to the next speaker.

1600
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:00,742
And by the way, if any of you are under the age of 18,

1601
01:34:00,742 --> 01:34:03,496
you don't have to identify your address.

1602
01:34:03,496 --> 01:34:04,112
Okay?

1603
01:34:04,112 --> 01:34:06,112
Just your name.

1604
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,720
That's good enough okay?

1605
01:34:08,752 --> 01:34:11,489
Hello my name is Wilson Lewis I'm from district six.

1606
01:34:11,489 --> 01:34:14,753
And I am a part of the black Rose Summer program.

1607
01:34:14,753 --> 01:34:17,100
We are working on a community action

1608
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:19,260
where we identify problems in our community

1609
01:34:19,260 --> 01:34:21,128
and try to create a solution.

1610
01:34:21,128 --> 01:34:24,946
The problem that I am focusing on is public transportation.

1611
01:34:24,946 --> 01:34:30,346
This matters to me because it may be cars,

1612
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,520
maybe being too expensive, or you don't have access to cars,

1613
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,400
so public transportation is a good solution to this problem

1614
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:41,641
that we may have.

1615
01:34:41,641 --> 01:34:46,400
And I would like to ask the commissioner for advice

1616
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,660
on this issue that I have.

1617
01:34:48,660 --> 01:34:49,160
That's it.

1618
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:50,800
Thank you.

1619
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,712
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1620
01:34:52,712 --> 01:34:53,677
Thank you Mr. Lewis.

1621
01:34:53,677 --> 01:34:57,920
And we would be glad to talk to you afterwards.

1622
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,920
Commissioner Scott are you familiar?

1623
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,620
So you know how to follow up with him?

1624
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:11,120
Okay.

1625
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:11,946
Thank you.

1626
01:35:11,946 --> 01:35:12,653
All right.

1627
01:35:12,653 --> 01:35:14,653
Next speaker?

1628
01:35:18,670 --> 01:35:20,920
>> Good morning commissioners my name is Matthew door,

1629
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:22,600
>> My name is Brian.

1630
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,633
>> And I'm in district six as part of the Summer Rose program.

1631
01:35:25,633 --> 01:35:29,864
I came to talk about the issue of drug use on teens 14

1632
01:35:29,864 --> 01:35:30,552
through 18.

1633
01:35:30,552 --> 01:35:31,613
In our community.

1634
01:35:31,613 --> 01:35:35,933
It can lead to poor grades, missed classes, difficulty

1635
01:35:35,933 --> 01:35:40,496
concentrating in class, and it can also cause unsafe driving.

1636
01:35:40,496 --> 01:35:41,632
For teens.

1637
01:35:41,632 --> 01:35:43,448
We should have clubs in our community

1638
01:35:43,448 --> 01:35:46,720
that teach his drug use and helping them to quit

1639
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:51,453
and choosing to do more healthy choices in our community.

1640
01:35:51,453 --> 01:35:53,453
Thank you.

1641
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:57,960
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1642
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,960
Thank you!

1643
01:36:06,988 --> 01:36:09,530
>> Good morning Commissioner my name is Claire Vance and I am

1644
01:36:09,530 --> 01:36:13,195
part of I'm from district six, and I'm part of black Rose

1645
01:36:13,195 --> 01:36:14,650
summer program.

1646
01:36:14,650 --> 01:36:16,456
We've been working on a community action project

1647
01:36:16,456 --> 01:36:18,793
and the problem that I am focusing on

1648
01:36:18,793 --> 01:36:20,500
is community cleanup.

1649
01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:23,613
The issue affects our neighborhoods and the people

1650
01:36:23,613 --> 01:36:24,760
who live in them.

1651
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,000
This matters to me because keeping our community clean

1652
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,640
can make our neighborhoods look better,

1653
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,300
help protect the environment, and create healthier place

1654
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:34,440
for everyone.

1655
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:36,320
Today I would like to ask the commissioners

1656
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:40,520
for your commitment to supporting clean cleaner

1657
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,560
communities by increasing community cleanup efforts.

1658
01:36:46,460 --> 01:36:50,424
Providing more trash cans, and encouraging residents

1659
01:36:50,424 --> 01:36:54,240
to help keep our neighborhoods clean.

1660
01:36:54,493 --> 01:36:56,346
Together we can make district six

1661
01:36:56,346 --> 01:36:59,440
a cleaner and safer and healthier place for everyone.

1662
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:03,560
Thank you for your time, and for listening.

1663
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,137
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1664
01:37:05,137 --> 01:37:05,637
Thank you.

1665
01:37:05,637 --> 01:37:06,520
We'll see you soon.

1666
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,520
Alright, next speaker?

1667
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,797
I have I'm testing testing, can you guys hear me

1668
01:37:14,797 --> 01:37:16,240
I'm at good morning Mayor.

1669
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,500
And Board of County Commissioners.

1670
01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:20,413
I'm Kendrick Gray, I reside in Orlando

1671
01:37:20,413 --> 01:37:24,984
and I am also an intern under Nicole Wilson.

1672
01:37:24,984 --> 01:37:27,920
So today I will speak on agriculture and the update

1673
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,920
on the green please place properties.

1674
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,800
This agenda item was set an important precedent

1675
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:35,336
for future management of Green Place lands.

1676
01:37:35,336 --> 01:37:40,136
Making my comment significant for the environmental community.

1677
01:37:40,466 --> 01:37:44,520
The Green Place program has long represented Orange County's

1678
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:46,960
commitment to protecting the environment,

1679
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,720
preserving wildlife and providing impactful conservation

1680
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,950
benefits for future generations.

1681
01:37:51,950 --> 01:37:56,135
About 80% of residents supported the Green Place

1682
01:37:56,135 --> 01:37:59,615
with the understanding that these properties

1683
01:37:59,615 --> 01:38:02,920
would remain dedicated to environmental protection.

1684
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,680
Cattle grazing, the risks of eroding the same promise

1685
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,895
to our residents that was provided.

1686
01:38:08,895 --> 01:38:13,440
Its negative effects are compact soils, degrading wetlands,

1687
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:17,640
introducing invasive species, and deteriorated water quality

1688
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,733
through nutrient loading.

1689
01:38:19,733 --> 01:38:22,133
Today, authorizing agriculture, agricultural

1690
01:38:23,226 --> 01:38:25,626
uses on conservation lands.

1691
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,340
Will fundamentally change how green place properties

1692
01:38:28,340 --> 01:38:29,616
are managed in the future.

1693
01:38:29,616 --> 01:38:31,616
Thank you.

1694
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,940
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1695
01:38:33,940 --> 01:38:34,732
Thank you Mr. Gray.

1696
01:38:34,732 --> 01:38:40,132
All right we will move to the next speaker.

1697
01:38:44,957 --> 01:38:45,624
>> Good morning.

1698
01:38:45,624 --> 01:38:45,626
Excuse me.

1699
01:38:45,626 --> 01:38:46,235
Good morning Mr. Mayor and Commissioners,

1700
01:38:46,235 --> 01:38:48,318
thank you for the opportunity to be here to speak.

1701
01:38:48,318 --> 01:38:52,320
My name is Zach Moldoff, my zip code is 32792,

1702
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,560
my full address can be found in the written record today.

1703
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,350
And so today I'm dressed a little different.

1704
01:38:59,350 --> 01:39:01,390
I always come down here in my work clothes,

1705
01:39:01,390 --> 01:39:04,356
lately I've been working on running for office which has me

1706
01:39:04,356 --> 01:39:07,112
out there knocking on doors, experiencing all kinds of stuff

1707
01:39:07,112 --> 01:39:09,544
in interesting ways in our community.

1708
01:39:09,544 --> 01:39:12,320
But, one thing that has been really interesting

1709
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,304
is my wife pointed out like hey, people

1710
01:39:14,304 --> 01:39:16,804
might think that you're a proud boy out there walking around

1711
01:39:16,804 --> 01:39:17,520
like that.

1712
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,200
And that's definitely not me, and I don't even

1713
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,251
understand how those people dress

1714
01:39:22,251 --> 01:39:24,000
or what it means to look like one.

1715
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,500
But, that did make me think about how hard it is to be a man

1716
01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:29,175
and just walk around in a neighborhood of strangers

1717
01:39:29,175 --> 01:39:31,340
because there's so many dangerous ideas about men

1718
01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:32,130
right now.

1719
01:39:32,130 --> 01:39:33,960
And it's not that men haven't been

1720
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:35,656
guilty of doing dangerous things.

1721
01:39:35,656 --> 01:39:38,260
But I think our community does a great job

1722
01:39:38,260 --> 01:39:40,906
of getting past the national rhetoric of knowing each other.

1723
01:39:40,906 --> 01:39:43,800
And if you see people in your neighborhood

1724
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:44,920
walking around and knocking on doors,

1725
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,225
they might be politicians, they might not,

1726
01:39:47,225 --> 01:39:49,600
might be young men like this who are motivated to get out

1727
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,660
and go and do something.

1728
01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:53,600
And what I love is that we continue to live in a county

1729
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,720
where things are done our way.

1730
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:59,560
But, SunRail has a $105 million annual operating budget that

1731
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,580
is paid to a company in France.

1732
01:40:01,580 --> 01:40:06,400
And we want the weekend service money is here.

1733
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:07,669
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1734
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:08,252
Thank you Mr..

1735
01:40:08,252 --> 01:40:10,150
We move to the next speaker.

1736
01:40:10,150 --> 01:40:11,608
>> Mayor that was all the speakers,

1737
01:40:11,608 --> 01:40:13,560
there were a few cards that didn't show,

1738
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,312
so just one more check for Deborah Green,

1739
01:40:16,312 --> 01:40:21,712
Mike or, symbol chambers, Santa Hafiz, Chad, or Michelle,

1740
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,264
or anyone else would like to speak?

1741
01:40:30,502 --> 01:40:31,460
Jerry L. Demings: Okay.

1742
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:31,960
All right.

1743
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:35,960
So -- we have come on Ma'am would you like to speak?

1744
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:36,460
Okay.

1745
01:40:36,460 --> 01:40:40,274
If you didn't fill out a card, if you can just

1746
01:40:40,274 --> 01:40:43,274
do that before you leave.

1747
01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:46,440
Just tell us your name.

1748
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:48,960
>> I believe that I did but I don't know if it went.

1749
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,360
Thank you very much.

1750
01:40:52,373 --> 01:40:54,373
I'm Aria Smith 32801.

1751
01:40:54,912 --> 01:40:59,800
There must be something rotten in the core of the social system

1752
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:01,950
that increases its wealth without diminishing its misery.

1753
01:41:01,950 --> 01:41:06,120
And increases in crimes even more rapidly than in numbers.

1754
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,240
Neighbors come these words were written over a century ago.

1755
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:13,312
Yet they perfectly diagnosed the crisis facing temper scan today.

1756
01:41:13,312 --> 01:41:15,950
For sale and diminution forced sale and demolitions

1757
01:41:15,950 --> 01:41:17,200
are not solutions.

1758
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,786
Are merely a legal eviction of our elders

1759
01:41:19,786 --> 01:41:22,400
and the erasure of a community.

1760
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,193
Focusing on Semper Scam is an informative distraction period

1761
01:41:25,193 --> 01:41:28,840
this board knows that according to a national low housing report

1762
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,480
Orlando Ranks is the worst metropolitan area in America

1763
01:41:31,480 --> 01:41:35,560
for affordable housing, leaving only 19 affordable units

1764
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,400
available for every 100 extremely low income renters.

1765
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,106
Tearing down one complex is not stop the spread.

1766
01:41:41,106 --> 01:41:42,568
Is simply reallocates the problem

1767
01:41:42,568 --> 01:41:44,560
to the next vulnerable neighborhood.

1768
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,176
Instead come I'm urging a new approach,

1769
01:41:47,176 --> 01:41:49,985
you must allow an independent group of informed individuals

1770
01:41:49,985 --> 01:41:52,280
to design manage and address individual housing

1771
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:55,980
across the county, unlike traditional stagnant counties

1772
01:41:55,980 --> 01:41:58,110
that ignore resident concerns this group will

1773
01:41:58,110 --> 01:42:00,453
be a direct grassroots vehicle for community

1774
01:42:00,453 --> 01:42:01,392
led rehabilitation.

1775
01:42:01,392 --> 01:42:03,600
Many of the commissioners aides would like my contact

1776
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,360
information after the conclusion of the session please reach out.

1777
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,360
Thank you.

1778
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,577
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1779
01:42:10,577 --> 01:42:11,452
Thank you Miss Smith.

1780
01:42:11,452 --> 01:42:13,200
Do we have any other persons?

1781
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:14,720
For public comment?

1782
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:15,826
All right.

1783
01:42:15,826 --> 01:42:18,400
Then we are going to move forward on our agenda.

1784
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,000
Thank you to all those who spoke.

1785
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,000
Commissioner Scott?

1786
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:24,705
Michael “Mike” Scott:

1787
01:42:24,705 --> 01:42:25,497
>> Thank you mayor.

1788
01:42:25,497 --> 01:42:26,480
So just two items.

1789
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:30,432
One, I talked with those residents quite frequently.

1790
01:42:30,432 --> 01:42:34,526
I have friends who stay in Tampa scan and if any of you

1791
01:42:34,526 --> 01:42:36,776
haven't driven through temper Scan in the past 30 days

1792
01:42:36,776 --> 01:42:38,140
I would encourage you to do so.

1793
01:42:38,140 --> 01:42:40,952
You learn a lot just by driving through.

1794
01:42:40,952 --> 01:42:43,910
There was a guard shack up front,

1795
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:45,905
and we had someone living in the guard shack,

1796
01:42:45,905 --> 01:42:48,280
they had to tear it down because there's been a lot going

1797
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:49,222
on in timber!.

1798
01:42:49,222 --> 01:42:50,680
So I just want to highlight that we

1799
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:52,597
are trying to make sure that whatever solution

1800
01:42:52,597 --> 01:42:55,464
the county comes up with it is informed what the residents

1801
01:42:55,464 --> 01:42:58,190
there, and it's thoughtful and it's approach.

1802
01:42:58,190 --> 01:43:01,135
We've had some conversations just this morning

1803
01:43:01,135 --> 01:43:03,433
talking with them about plans and so

1804
01:43:03,433 --> 01:43:05,520
staff is going to be working on that.

1805
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:09,120
And then, the other thing is for those that have been here

1806
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,136
this entire morning you saw a new county staff member

1807
01:43:12,136 --> 01:43:14,915
a professional who'd been working for a while

1808
01:43:14,915 --> 01:43:18,120
speak in front of all of you and the people who are watching live

1809
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:19,954
on the internet or on TV.

1810
01:43:19,954 --> 01:43:22,150
And it was like a Smiley face.

1811
01:43:22,150 --> 01:43:24,973
I drew a Smiley face.

1812
01:43:24,973 --> 01:43:29,346
Gentlemen come what you did this morning will always be hard.

1813
01:43:29,346 --> 01:43:31,408
It is difficult to speak in front of people

1814
01:43:31,408 --> 01:43:33,824
comment is difficult to show your Smiley face.

1815
01:43:33,824 --> 01:43:36,220
And maybe it's not a Smiley face it's a palm,

1816
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:39,745
it's a project that you're all working on or a song or a rap.

1817
01:43:39,745 --> 01:43:42,120
It's difficult to take the things that come here and here

1818
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,440
and share them with someone, because you don't know

1819
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:46,940
if they're going to say it's a good idea, or a bad idea come

1820
01:43:46,940 --> 01:43:49,592
you're crazy come you're smart, or good job, keep going.

1821
01:43:49,592 --> 01:43:53,213
Well I'm telling you, good job, keep going.

1822
01:43:53,213 --> 01:43:55,720
Seven is incredible, I've seen the work

1823
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,850
you guys have done not just in my role as commissioner,

1824
01:43:58,850 --> 01:44:01,680
but even before coming into this role, took you guys planning

1825
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,900
and preparation to get dressed, put on your best fit,

1826
01:44:04,900 --> 01:44:06,500
you look good.

1827
01:44:06,500 --> 01:44:07,330
So thank you.

1828
01:44:07,330 --> 01:44:08,575
Because you could have been sleeping.

1829
01:44:08,575 --> 01:44:08,930
Summer.

1830
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:11,680
Y'all could be hanging out but you're here with us.

1831
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:12,488
So thank you for your time.

1832
01:44:12,488 --> 01:44:16,520
Seven, thank you for bringing them and mayor,

1833
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,540
thank you for being a role model.

1834
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:21,400
You've been there for me since I was 20 years old a freshman

1835
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:21,588
in college.

1836
01:44:21,588 --> 01:44:23,457
So I hope that the example that you

1837
01:44:23,457 --> 01:44:25,562
set for me is one that I can continue

1838
01:44:25,562 --> 01:44:28,288
to set for other mentors like what seven and the other mentors

1839
01:44:28,288 --> 01:44:31,800
do so thank you mayor for your example and your leadership.

1840
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:32,966
Before even being a mayor.

1841
01:44:32,966 --> 01:44:34,400
I appreciate you.

1842
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:39,440
Jerry L. Demings: So how old are you now?

1843
01:44:40,486 --> 01:44:42,486
25? (laughs)

1844
01:44:42,521 --> 01:44:44,960
Michael “Mike” Scott: I am 44 years old.

1845
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,923
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

1846
01:44:46,923 --> 01:44:48,840
Again thank you all for being here today we're

1847
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,880
going to move forward on the agenda,

1848
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,620
these young people all came in and the future is bright for us.

1849
01:44:55,620 --> 01:44:56,986
Stay engaged in your community.

1850
01:44:56,986 --> 01:44:57,839
All right.

1851
01:44:57,839 --> 01:44:59,868
We are going to move to the consent agenda come

1852
01:44:59,868 --> 01:45:01,785
we are going to go to the county administrator

1853
01:45:01,785 --> 01:45:07,785
for Mr. Brooks who will be presenting the consent agenda.

1854
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:16,580
[Cross-Talk] And then with that I'm going to ask for a motion

1855
01:45:16,580 --> 01:45:18,580
for approval.

1856
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:23,248
>> Mayor can I say a comment?

1857
01:45:23,248 --> 01:45:25,400
I was hoping that Charles Johnson was here?

1858
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:27,336
Yeah he is pure Commissioner Mary Johnson's son,

1859
01:45:27,336 --> 01:45:30,160
and because of the park naming in our consent agenda

1860
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:35,560
I was hoping we could give him a moment.

1861
01:45:37,670 --> 01:45:38,900
>> Let's deal with the consent agenda first,

1862
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:41,525
and then I will gladly comment depending on how that turns out.

1863
01:45:41,525 --> 01:45:43,306
Do I have a motion?

1864
01:45:43,306 --> 01:45:44,280
>> So moved.

1865
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,280
>> Second.

1866
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,734
Jerry L. Demings: All right we have a motion

1867
01:45:48,734 --> 01:45:50,192
and a second all in favor let it be

1868
01:45:50,192 --> 01:45:51,952
known by saying I. Opposed no.

1869
01:45:51,952 --> 01:45:53,953
The motion passes and it is unanimous.

1870
01:45:53,953 --> 01:46:00,792
And let me just go to my passage of the consent agenda

1871
01:46:00,792 --> 01:46:03,312
on today's agenda there was a contract

1872
01:46:03,312 --> 01:46:07,512
to purchase 84.7 acres of environmentally sensitive land

1873
01:46:07,980 --> 01:46:13,380
in southwest Orange County, the acquisition of the Wbmg

1874
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:17,730
development Parcels helps to provide vital water resource

1875
01:46:17,730 --> 01:46:22,640
protection, and further preserve the county's rare habitats

1876
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,264
such as baygall, and hydric pine, flatwoods.

1877
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:31,280
Somebody in here knows what that is I know.

1878
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,160
The wetlands preserve through the acquisition

1879
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,832
will expand upon an existing wildlife corridor that

1880
01:46:37,832 --> 01:46:41,560
contains both public land and privately owned conservation

1881
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,656
areas such as the Akula property.

1882
01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:49,640
The county's Preserve, and the Grand Cypress Conservation

1883
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:50,453
Easements.

1884
01:46:50,453 --> 01:46:53,453
Preservation of this property will

1885
01:46:53,496 --> 01:46:55,680
serve to protect the wetlands that

1886
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,824
serve as the outfall for the butler chain of lakes

1887
01:46:59,824 --> 01:47:01,380
into Reedy Creek.

1888
01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:03,660
Additionally this acquisition will

1889
01:47:03,660 --> 01:47:05,600
preserve natural habitats that support

1890
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,985
and protect Florida and all species.

1891
01:47:08,985 --> 01:47:11,560
Today Orange County has purchased and preserved

1892
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,512
3417 acres.

1893
01:47:13,512 --> 01:47:17,712
Since the board approved the $100 million purchase

1894
01:47:19,953 --> 01:47:23,553
environmentally to purchase environmental assisted lands.

1895
01:47:23,848 --> 01:47:28,400
I think that is worthy of some recognition.

1896
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:29,272
All right.

1897
01:47:29,272 --> 01:47:34,672
The board also renamed two parks part of which

1898
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,880
is what Commissioner Rebay was referencing.

1899
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:44,760
Yucatan Park has been renamed Commissioner I Johnson

1900
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:49,550
Park honoring the first Hispanic elected commissioner

1901
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:55,960
of both Orange County and the City of Orlando who

1902
01:47:55,960 --> 01:48:00,664
played an influential role in the creation of that park

1903
01:48:00,664 --> 01:48:03,670
during her tenure in the early 2000 s.

1904
01:48:03,670 --> 01:48:07,400
I had the privilege of working with Commissioner Mary

1905
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:11,760
Johnson when she was with the city of Orlando, and here.

1906
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,550
With Orange County Governor Commissioner.

1907
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:18,750
She was a vociferous and tireless advocate

1908
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:20,520
for the community.

1909
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:27,720
Also, I want to recognize the fact that the Taft ballfield is

1910
01:48:31,733 --> 01:48:37,133
now the Albert Hodges Park honoring the local businessmen

1911
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,240
benefactor and community builder who

1912
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:44,793
played a notable role in the development of the Taft and Pine

1913
01:48:44,793 --> 01:48:45,293
Castle.

1914
01:48:45,293 --> 01:48:47,640
In those areas.

1915
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:51,864
Both Renamings are the recommendations to the board

1916
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:58,240
were made by the parks and Recreation Advisory Board's.

1917
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:02,120
So do we still have any Parks and Recreation Advisory Board

1918
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:04,613
members who are still with us this morning?

1919
01:49:04,613 --> 01:49:07,820
I know there was some here earlier.

1920
01:49:07,820 --> 01:49:09,820
Okay.

1921
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:14,108
Today's approval of the U.S. Forest Grant and Sustainable

1922
01:49:14,108 --> 01:49:16,400
Communities Grant in the neighborhood of Beautification

1923
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,600
grants represented investment in nearly $125,000 in neighborhood

1924
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,713
improvements enhancing the appearance quality and life

1925
01:49:24,713 --> 01:49:27,460
and value of the communities across Orange County.

1926
01:49:27,460 --> 01:49:31,660
These grants provide nonprofit and neighborhood organizations

1927
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:36,560
with resources to invest in public safety, neighborhood

1928
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,824
resilience, and long term economic vitality

1929
01:49:39,824 --> 01:49:42,386
of our community across Orange County.

1930
01:49:42,386 --> 01:49:45,616
And so, with that, Mr. Dennison?

1931
01:49:45,616 --> 01:49:48,688
Would you like to come and say anything

1932
01:49:48,688 --> 01:49:52,288
on behalf of your deceased mom?

1933
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:57,160
If so, I invite you to the microphone.

1934
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:02,388
>> I just want to only say thank you to the board for recognizing

1935
01:50:02,388 --> 01:50:03,124
my mother.

1936
01:50:03,124 --> 01:50:05,733
I know green space and conservation work

1937
01:50:05,733 --> 01:50:09,640
were part of her services to this community

1938
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:12,440
along with the Victim Service Center which you're aware of.

1939
01:50:12,440 --> 01:50:14,340
And thank you to the Parks Department and Barbara

1940
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:16,776
McCann for the Azalea Park Association

1941
01:50:16,776 --> 01:50:18,490
for all of your work.

1942
01:50:18,490 --> 01:50:22,900
I know mom's dancing and having.

1943
01:50:22,144 --> 01:50:25,144
So thank you very much.

1944
01:50:26,772 --> 01:50:27,272
[Applause]

1945
01:50:27,272 --> 01:50:28,436
Jerry L. Demings: She is indeed.

1946
01:50:28,436 --> 01:50:28,936
All right.

1947
01:50:28,936 --> 01:50:31,880
Congratulations and I had the privilege

1948
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,680
of working with your father also at the Orlando Fire Department.

1949
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,120
All right.

1950
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:40,417
So, again we are going to now move forward on our agenda

1951
01:50:40,417 --> 01:50:43,833
and move to the discussion agenda at this time.

1952
01:50:43,833 --> 01:50:45,696
And Miss Beth Jackson?

1953
01:50:45,696 --> 01:50:50,333
She's going to come forward from our environmental Programs

1954
01:50:50,333 --> 01:50:53,360
administration, she will be making a presentation

1955
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:58,170
regarding the future manage agricultural uses on Green place

1956
01:50:58,170 --> 01:50:58,780
properties.

1957
01:50:58,780 --> 01:51:02,120
We heard from a number of our residents

1958
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:08,120
today who spoke about the potential pilot project some pro

1959
01:51:10,180 --> 01:51:13,653
and some in opposition but that she's

1960
01:51:13,653 --> 01:51:16,160
going to lay out the entire program

1961
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:18,173
and then we will have a discussion

1962
01:51:18,173 --> 01:51:20,200
by the Board of County Commissioners

1963
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:23,720
and then give some direction to staff.

1964
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:26,618
With that Miss Jackson you are recognized.

1965
01:51:26,618 --> 01:51:28,160
>> Thank you Mayor and commissioners.

1966
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:30,632
Along with myself, Kevin Campbell

1967
01:51:30,632 --> 01:51:34,846
will be presenting for UF IFAs as well.

1968
01:51:34,846 --> 01:51:39,800
And so, today what we are going to be covering

1969
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,600
is a purpose, some green place background, advisory board

1970
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:46,800
discussions, a pilot program, public policy considerations,

1971
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,600
and then we are going to summarize the presentation

1972
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,376
and then open it up for board discussion.

1973
01:51:52,376 --> 01:51:56,464
So the purpose of this presentation today

1974
01:51:56,464 --> 01:52:01,653
is to update the BCC on the advisory board

1975
01:52:01,653 --> 01:52:04,360
engagement and discussions, provide context

1976
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:08,180
for policy and technical aspects of the agricultural use issue,

1977
01:52:08,180 --> 01:52:13,320
seek board direction on whether to proceed with a private pilot

1978
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:15,760
project, and if so how to move forward with that.

1979
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:21,280
The board may want to consider this policy question as part

1980
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,800
of their discussion, our agricultural uses

1981
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,200
environmentally equivalent to preservation.

1982
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,960
So, green place is the county's initiative

1983
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:37,466
to preserve restore and maintain environmentally sensitive lands,

1984
01:52:37,466 --> 01:52:40,240
and its mission is to preserve and manage

1985
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:43,296
environmentally sensitive lands, protect water resources,

1986
01:52:43,296 --> 01:52:47,133
and to provide a quality nature based recreational out

1987
01:52:47,133 --> 01:52:50,400
experience for existing and future generations.

1988
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:54,600
So, in 2021, and we are very grateful

1989
01:52:55,333 --> 01:52:58,560
the BCC allocated $100 million for the purchase

1990
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,104
and preservation of environmentally sensitive lands.

1991
01:53:01,104 --> 01:53:07,104
As of June 2026, when Orlando Kingdom and this most recent

1992
01:53:09,848 --> 01:53:12,644
property that you all approved today,

1993
01:53:12,644 --> 01:53:15,644
we will have preserved 3772 acres.

1994
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,920
And since the program's inception,

1995
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,520
we have managed to preserve 27,155 acres.

1996
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,600
8743 of those by Green Forest, 12 properties

1997
01:53:31,746 --> 01:53:34,800
are owned by the public managed by green

1998
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,240
for staff, four properties open to the public managed

1999
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:39,566
with our partners.

2000
01:53:39,566 --> 01:53:43,800
And here's a map of Orange County

2001
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,385
and all of the Green Place properties

2002
01:53:45,385 --> 01:53:47,568
are those highlighted in the lime green.

2003
01:53:47,568 --> 01:53:53,824
The property in red will be the focus of our discussion today.

2004
01:53:53,824 --> 01:53:57,360
And those in crosshatch were properties

2005
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:59,490
that were purchased by other state

2006
01:53:59,490 --> 01:54:01,890
agencies and private entities.

2007
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:09,440
So, it's important to lay out some of the policy

2008
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:12,200
context for you all.

2009
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:17,000
So, the comprehensive plan policy has some definitions.

2010
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:22,746
Preservation means the designation preservation

2011
01:54:22,746 --> 01:54:28,146
is defined as publicly or privately owned and significant

2012
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:31,000
environmental importance for the purposes

2013
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,000
of environmental protection.

2014
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:37,560
That compatible very low recreational educational uses

2015
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:42,360
and natural amenities and site for public amenities

2016
01:54:42,370 --> 01:54:44,688
will allow for allowable uses.

2017
01:54:44,688 --> 01:54:47,800
You heard today the term conservation.

2018
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:51,480
And, as defined by the county's Comp plan

2019
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:54,870
that means it recognizes lands designated for conserving

2020
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:56,620
our natural resources.

2021
01:54:56,620 --> 01:54:59,520
And that's usually done through a more formal process

2022
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:02,520
with our wetland permitting, property,

2023
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,740
and is primarily used by private lands.

2024
01:55:05,740 --> 01:55:09,240
Agricultural is applicable only to the areas

2025
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:12,560
outside the county's urban service area.

2026
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:18,900
And it recognizes the long term viability of the economic asset

2027
01:55:18,900 --> 01:55:21,816
while allowing single family residence on the large lots.

2028
01:55:21,816 --> 01:55:25,280
And it's appropriate for locations in which residents

2029
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,680
prefer a rural lifestyle.

2030
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:34,520
So, there are a couple of policies and goals

2031
01:55:34,936 --> 01:55:37,696
that we wanted to focus on in this presentation.

2032
01:55:37,696 --> 01:55:41,000
The first one is goal C which is conservation.

2033
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,880
And that's to enhance our county's natural resources,

2034
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,880
including our groundwater vegetative communities,

2035
01:55:48,386 --> 01:55:50,746
and soils and wetlands.

2036
01:55:50,746 --> 01:55:53,160
And two of the objectives under that goal

2037
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:57,144
we wanted to highlight where objective C 1.2,

2038
01:55:57,144 --> 01:56:00,704
which says that we should protect and improve our surface

2039
01:56:00,704 --> 01:56:03,346
waters by identifying sources of pollution,

2040
01:56:03,346 --> 01:56:08,146
and coordinating the development and implementation of pollution

2041
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,968
abatement devices and methods and programs.

2042
01:56:10,968 --> 01:56:14,660
And the second one is to protect identify wetland areas

2043
01:56:14,660 --> 01:56:17,600
and existing natural wildlife.

2044
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:22,470
As it's been alluded to, the board

2045
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:26,670
will be discussing vision 2050 later on today.

2046
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:31,384
If that moves forward, all green place properties

2047
01:56:31,384 --> 01:56:36,146
are or will be assigned a place type of preservation,

2048
01:56:36,146 --> 01:56:38,540
and preservation properties would

2049
01:56:38,540 --> 01:56:43,280
be categorized as T1 trans x, all green place properties would

2050
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:48,733
fall under that T1 transect, and, it mirrors that definition

2051
01:56:48,733 --> 01:56:51,733
under the destination 2030 Comp Plan

2052
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,940
compatible very low impact recreational or educational

2053
01:56:56,940 --> 01:56:56,594
uses.

2054
01:56:56,594 --> 01:57:00,944
And then it goes on to list some of them.

2055
01:57:00,944 --> 01:57:06,320
It's important to note that in T1, agricultural uses would not

2056
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:08,320
be allowed.

2057
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:15,760
So, in 2007, the previous Board of County Commissioners

2058
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:20,560
approved green place uses and it was

2059
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:24,760
amended in December of 20 2011 and secondary uses

2060
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:27,869
must be compatible with primary uses.

2061
01:57:27,869 --> 01:57:31,333
When we took this to the board, at that time

2062
01:57:31,333 --> 01:57:34,480
we were not using the designation of preservation,

2063
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:36,690
but in developing this presentation,

2064
01:57:36,690 --> 01:57:40,440
we realized that these uses may now

2065
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:44,230
be in conflict with our comprehensive plan policy.

2066
01:57:44,230 --> 01:57:46,933
And that will be evaluated.

2067
01:57:46,933 --> 01:57:54,133
As you can see, cattle grazing is a secondary use under this.

2068
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:01,300
Okay, now we are going to go to the advisory board discussions.

2069
01:58:01,300 --> 01:58:06,100
And so, in February 2025 the Agricultural Advisory Board

2070
01:58:06,264 --> 01:58:09,706
in acquired a limited agricultural uses one

2071
01:58:09,706 --> 01:58:13,840
of them being cattle grazing could be implemented

2072
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:14,860
on green place properties.

2073
01:58:14,860 --> 01:58:20,305
In April of 2025, the topic was presented to our Greenspace

2074
01:58:20,305 --> 01:58:23,828
Advisory Board, and then in May of 2025,

2075
01:58:23,828 --> 01:58:29,106
a memo was sent to the board outlining the discussions, land

2076
01:58:29,106 --> 01:58:32,106
use designations, staffing and resource

2077
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:35,520
requirements, and opportunities for partnership.

2078
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:40,720
In August of 2025, green Place approved a motion

2079
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:44,816
to pursue a pilot program which would assess

2080
01:58:44,816 --> 01:58:47,640
the site for the ability to host cattle grazing

2081
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:52,873
operations for a five year lease with a renewable up to ten.

2082
01:58:52,873 --> 01:58:56,165
It would require us to monitor the site

2083
01:58:56,165 --> 01:58:57,920
throughout the implementation to assess

2084
01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,880
the impacts of cattle grazing.

2085
01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:02,880
In October 2025, another board memo

2086
01:59:06,433 --> 01:59:09,200
was sent giving you all an update of our progress

2087
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:10,496
on these discussions.

2088
01:59:10,496 --> 01:59:14,760
And then in October of 2025 as well,

2089
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,400
Green Place Advisory Board approved a motion

2090
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:21,224
selecting Roberts Ranch Reserve North as the site

2091
01:59:21,224 --> 01:59:23,720
for the proposed pilot program.

2092
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:29,120
April 20th 22nd, 2026 initial results of the monitoring were

2093
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,720
presented to the Green Place Advisory Board with direction

2094
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:41,501
to gather and receive direction to gather more precise figures.

2095
01:59:41,501 --> 01:59:43,968
And we will go over what we presented later

2096
01:59:43,968 --> 01:59:45,520
on in this presentation.

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01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:50,800
In June of 2026, the Green Place Advisory Board

2098
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:52,360
was provided the update and information,

2099
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:56,640
and it was a split decision two verses two

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01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:01,880
in support of not in support of cattle grazing.

2101
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:05,891
It's important to note that two of the members of the Green

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02:00:05,891 --> 02:00:10,691
Place Advisory Board are from the agricultural community,

2103
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:18,560
and now we are going to go over that pilot program.

2104
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:19,360
So.

2105
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,477
Some of the Subbullets that we are

2106
02:00:21,477 --> 02:00:23,328
going to be discussing on site selection

2107
02:00:23,328 --> 02:00:26,660
as I previously mentioned the Green Place Advisory Board

2108
02:00:26,660 --> 02:00:29,480
has already selected the parcel for us.

2109
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:32,480
The evaluation methodology evaluation findings,

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02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:37,440
comparative analysis, Savage Christmas Creek property,

2111
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:41,160
sorry excuse me, preserve.

2112
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:43,180
Operational considerations as well as

2113
02:00:43,180 --> 02:00:45,180
public use compatibility.

2114
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:48,980
So.

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02:00:48,980 --> 02:00:54,380
This is the proposed pilot project on the site.

2116
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:58,624
It's Roberts Ranch Reserve is 395 acres.

2117
02:00:58,624 --> 02:01:02,824
The county acquired it in October of 2025.

2118
02:01:03,546 --> 02:01:06,800
With a purchase price of $9 million plus.

2119
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:10,950
The prior use was a single family with cattle less,

2120
02:01:10,950 --> 02:01:14,550
high potential for restoration, and it's

2121
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:19,680
regionally significant due to its proximity to Bronson State

2122
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:20,230
Forest.

2123
02:01:20,230 --> 02:01:23,130
Another green parcels as well as its location

2124
02:01:23,130 --> 02:01:25,960
within the Florida Wildlife Corridor.

2125
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:27,805
And I just want to say on a side,

2126
02:01:27,805 --> 02:01:30,120
this is the third property that we purchased

2127
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:32,920
from this particular family, so they

2128
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:38,920
were very invested in wanting to see their properties preserved.

2129
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:47,720
Again, here's another map of the of a closer up version of where

2130
02:01:47,940 --> 02:01:51,540
Roberts Ranch Preserve North is located.

2131
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:56,680
And, the evaluation methodologies

2132
02:01:58,624 --> 02:02:03,520
that we use we did a forage assessment which

2133
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,365
is a suitability of the site for pasture grasses.

2134
02:02:07,365 --> 02:02:11,680
A bacterial analysis of the soil as well as the water

2135
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:13,280
within Roberts Ranch.

2136
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:18,860
So, we took samples and we did microbial source tracking.

2137
02:02:18,860 --> 02:02:25,460
And Roberts Ranch is that subbasin is impaired for E coli.

2138
02:02:26,706 --> 02:02:28,453
And a natural community assessment

2139
02:02:28,453 --> 02:02:32,000
we looked at the canopy shrub ground

2140
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:36,560
cover percent coverages exotic and invasive species and plant

2141
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,560
species diversity.

2142
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:45,680
And now I'm going to turn it over to Kevin.

2143
02:02:51,546 --> 02:02:52,588
>> Good morning everyone.

2144
02:02:52,588 --> 02:02:54,671
I will cover the agricultural evaluation completed

2145
02:02:54,671 --> 02:02:56,600
by U of I six extension, we were asked

2146
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:59,200
to really provide sort of an objective research based

2147
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:01,920
analysis assessment of the properties

2148
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,850
agricultural capability and just to be clear,

2149
02:03:04,850 --> 02:03:07,740
UF IFAs extension cooperative extension,

2150
02:03:07,740 --> 02:03:10,540
we are not advocating for or against,

2151
02:03:10,540 --> 02:03:12,540
we just want to bring the non-biased information

2152
02:03:12,540 --> 02:03:13,920
to you all.

2153
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:17,233
One point to remember that Beth mentioned earlier

2154
02:03:17,233 --> 02:03:18,650
is that this property historically

2155
02:03:18,650 --> 02:03:21,373
was used for cattle grazing before it was acquired

2156
02:03:21,373 --> 02:03:25,752
by the county, so we weren't evaluating whether it could be.

2157
02:03:25,752 --> 02:03:28,960
Or whether it had occurred in the past, because it did.

2158
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:33,266
But we did evaluate the property's current condition

2159
02:03:33,266 --> 02:03:35,424
to understand what it could support.

2160
02:03:35,424 --> 02:03:39,490
So, we evaluated the soils, we forage

2161
02:03:39,490 --> 02:03:42,112
resources, nutrient levels come overall productivity

2162
02:03:42,112 --> 02:03:43,168
of the site.

2163
02:03:43,168 --> 02:03:44,750
So in other words we really wanted

2164
02:03:44,750 --> 02:03:47,950
to understand how productive the landscape could be.

2165
02:03:47,950 --> 02:03:50,380
From an agricultural standpoint, how much foraging

2166
02:03:50,380 --> 02:03:52,380
could potentially produce.

2167
02:03:52,495 --> 02:03:56,924
We found the soil was well suited for bear grass which

2168
02:03:56,924 --> 02:04:01,288
is one of the most common pasture grasses used in Florida,

2169
02:04:01,288 --> 02:04:03,864
and after accounting for the wetlands on the property,

2170
02:04:03,864 --> 02:04:08,440
the wooded areas, the other areas unsuitable for grazing,

2171
02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:10,840
we identified approximately 200 acres

2172
02:04:11,150 --> 02:04:15,350
as potentially grazing property on that property.

2173
02:04:15,968 --> 02:04:20,520
So, using the results, you can see the soil sample results

2174
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:23,344
on the slide, high phosphorus because it

2175
02:04:23,344 --> 02:04:26,660
was used so fertilization, potassium was low,

2176
02:04:26,660 --> 02:04:28,816
so it's a give and take for that.

2177
02:04:28,816 --> 02:04:32,800
Which is usually to produce that stand and adequate levels

2178
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:33,936
of other elements.

2179
02:04:33,936 --> 02:04:36,820
In a low organic measure.

2180
02:04:36,820 --> 02:04:42,560
Using that, we came up with an estimated property's carrying

2181
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:43,760
capacity.

2182
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:45,620
So carrying capacity is basically

2183
02:04:45,620 --> 02:04:49,330
the number of animals the land could sustainably

2184
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:52,330
support over time while maintaining

2185
02:04:52,460 --> 02:04:57,450
the health of the resources, based on our evaluation,

2186
02:04:57,450 --> 02:05:02,336
we estimated a carrying capacity of around 40 to 50 animal

2187
02:05:02,336 --> 02:05:06,660
units for reference one animal unit is representing one

2188
02:05:06,660 --> 02:05:09,660
mature cow and a calf.?

2189
02:05:10,712 --> 02:05:13,335
One important point I'd like to emphasize

2190
02:05:13,335 --> 02:05:14,835
is that this is not a recommendation

2191
02:05:14,835 --> 02:05:18,439
to place 40 to 50 cows on the property.

2192
02:05:18,439 --> 02:05:21,253
It sort of serves as an agricultural benchmark

2193
02:05:21,253 --> 02:05:24,620
that helps us to understand the biological capacity

2194
02:05:24,620 --> 02:05:26,200
of the property.

2195
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:29,320
So basically it answers the technical question

2196
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:31,872
of what the property could support

2197
02:05:31,872 --> 02:05:35,800
if grazing would be allowed or looked

2198
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:37,872
at as a pilot from the board.

2199
02:05:37,872 --> 02:05:43,272
I'm going to pass it back over to Beth.

2200
02:05:50,792 --> 02:05:53,459
>> So as I mentioned earlier we did perform a bacterial analysis

2201
02:05:53,459 --> 02:05:56,960
as part of that preliminary evaluation.

2202
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:00,488
So we tested both the stream bed for legacy levels of E.coli,

2203
02:06:00,488 --> 02:06:04,400
and we determined that there are biomarkers

2204
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:06,740
associated with bacteria found in the guts

2205
02:06:06,740 --> 02:06:09,800
of warm blooded animals and can therefore

2206
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:11,973
be used to measure the fecal bacterial concentrations

2207
02:06:11,973 --> 02:06:14,480
and we are viewing that in conjunction

2208
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:18,192
with UCF and a professor at UCF.

2209
02:06:18,192 --> 02:06:23,960
So the results of the microbial, say that three times fast.

2210
02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:27,128
Microbial source tracking indicates a heavy presence

2211
02:06:27,128 --> 02:06:31,480
of cattle and the older soils, with presence

2212
02:06:31,480 --> 02:06:33,848
decreasing in newer soils.

2213
02:06:33,848 --> 02:06:38,773
So future grazing could potentially keep those E levels

2214
02:06:38,773 --> 02:06:41,173
at a higher level.

2215
02:06:42,506 --> 02:06:46,140
And the charges just lays out some of the findings

2216
02:06:46,140 --> 02:06:47,760
that we found.

2217
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:52,100
Along with that, we tested the water quality and the tributary

2218
02:06:52,100 --> 02:06:53,440
on the property.

2219
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:56,120
Between March and May of 2026.

2220
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:58,624
This is one of the properties that we

2221
02:06:58,624 --> 02:07:03,240
would be having quarterly water quality sampling on.

2222
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:08,424
So, they tested for alkalinity, organic nitrogen E coli,

2223
02:07:09,256 --> 02:07:12,680
and the results indicate decreased levels

2224
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:16,365
of E coli in recent months, as we are all

2225
02:07:16,365 --> 02:07:20,113
aware we have been in a drought.

2226
02:07:20,113 --> 02:07:25,513
So, and exceedance is readings over 410 of those probable

2227
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:27,590
numbers per 100ml.

2228
02:07:27,590 --> 02:07:35,990
And so, on the march of that we found 1732 MP s of E coli.

2229
02:07:37,225 --> 02:07:40,825
And then it decreased over time.

2230
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:46,600
So, impaired water bodies and basins, Fdep

2231
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:50,000
designates water bodies that do not meet water quality

2232
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,000
standards as impaired.

2233
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:58,184
Fdep sets a total maximum daily load on impaired water bodies.

2234
02:07:58,184 --> 02:08:02,760
For parameters such as nitrogen, phosphorus, E coli,

2235
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:07,210
some heavy metals, the county is required to fund and implement

2236
02:08:07,210 --> 02:08:11,200
projects to remove, and reduce those impairments and discharges

2237
02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:12,380
into water bodies.

2238
02:08:12,380 --> 02:08:14,600
And we have been made aware that this

2239
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:18,942
is a high priority for this particular basin for Fdep

2240
02:08:18,942 --> 02:08:23,142
to put and to establish a Tmdl.

2241
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:30,280
And so, the designate it and impaired it in August of 2024,

2242
02:08:30,426 --> 02:08:33,570
and I already said they are working on establishing

2243
02:08:33,570 --> 02:08:35,446
a bacterial Tmdl.

2244
02:08:35,446 --> 02:08:39,646
And there are no known structural BMPs

2245
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:42,420
to address bacterial impairments.

2246
02:08:43,693 --> 02:08:49,640
And removal of point source is most cost effective strategy

2247
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:51,688
to meet water quality requirements,

2248
02:08:51,688 --> 02:08:55,600
and in fact, we have a past history with another green place

2249
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:58,232
property that we purchased where we received

2250
02:08:58,232 --> 02:09:00,813
a grant from the state and the reason

2251
02:09:00,813 --> 02:09:05,200
why we were awarded that grant was because we were removing

2252
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:05,740
cattle.

2253
02:09:05,740 --> 02:09:08,740
As a source of points.

2254
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,960
Or pollutants.

2255
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:16,266
So now I'm going to go over the Natural Community assessment.

2256
02:09:16,266 --> 02:09:20,200
This is a photo of Roberts Ranch Preserve North.

2257
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:25,582
And that area in the back by the fence is what should be

2258
02:09:25,582 --> 02:09:28,888
or what is a depression marsh which has been

2259
02:09:28,888 --> 02:09:31,888
impacted by previous land uses.

2260
02:09:31,900 --> 02:09:35,720
So, we looked at the canopy cover, it's low.

2261
02:09:35,720 --> 02:09:37,600
It's less than 5%.

2262
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:41,160
And so we use a methodology developed by the Florida

2263
02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:43,560
Wildlife and Conservation Commission,

2264
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:51,950
to determine what conditions we have, and where they should be.

2265
02:09:53,790 --> 02:09:56,205
So the desired conditions for canopy

2266
02:09:56,205 --> 02:10:00,405
should be between 10 to 30% of the coverage.

2267
02:10:00,544 --> 02:10:04,800
The shrub was low also on Roberts Ranch North

2268
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,800
because Roberts Ranch Preserve North.

2269
02:10:08,270 --> 02:10:09,590
Gets less than 5%.

2270
02:10:09,590 --> 02:10:14,400
The desired conditions for the shrub coverage is 50 to 80%,

2271
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:17,400
ground cover, that was good.

2272
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:19,960
90 to 100%.

2273
02:10:20,144 --> 02:10:23,144
The desired condition was 70 to 100%.

2274
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:26,480
Native species diversity was low,

2275
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:29,413
we only observed 9 to 12 species in those areas

2276
02:10:29,413 --> 02:10:30,780
that we evaluated.

2277
02:10:30,780 --> 02:10:34,799
And the desired conditions are 50 plus species.

2278
02:10:34,799 --> 02:10:40,799
And the exotic species coverage was determined to be high,

2279
02:10:41,186 --> 02:10:42,608
90 to 100%.

2280
02:10:42,608 --> 02:10:47,120
And as Kevin mentioned earlier, the majority of the grass

2281
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:50,736
species out there is Bahia and that is

2282
02:10:50,736 --> 02:10:53,136
considered an exotic species.

2283
02:10:54,680 --> 02:10:56,680
I said exotic..

2284
02:10:57,811 --> 02:11:01,860
So, we felt like it was important to compare Roberts

2285
02:11:01,860 --> 02:11:07,280
Ranch Preserve north to a site that a Green place site

2286
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,466
we are calling it a reference site which is our Savage

2287
02:11:10,466 --> 02:11:11,820
Christmas Creek Preserve.

2288
02:11:11,820 --> 02:11:16,150
It's located three miles from the proposed pilot site.

2289
02:11:16,150 --> 02:11:20,328
We purchased it in 1999 and we have added to it

2290
02:11:20,328 --> 02:11:23,906
since with $100 million that you all generously donated

2291
02:11:23,906 --> 02:11:27,506
towards acquisition of our natural resources.

2292
02:11:27,610 --> 02:11:29,610
It's 1576 acres.

2293
02:11:30,799 --> 02:11:33,293
The total price is $14.6 million.

2294
02:11:33,293 --> 02:11:39,506
It did have cattle at the time of the acquisition, in 1999.

2295
02:11:39,506 --> 02:11:44,306
And, in 2011, we undertook an active upland restoration

2296
02:11:47,820 --> 02:11:50,220
project, on this site.

2297
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:56,190
Which involved the removal of pasture grasses and herbicides.

2298
02:11:57,493 --> 02:12:01,693
We harvested native seed from off site,

2299
02:12:02,333 --> 02:12:05,120
and we planted those native seeds

2300
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:08,840
to restore that area back to three natural communities

2301
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:12,440
scrubby flatwoods Mesic and Wet flatwoods.

2302
02:12:12,559 --> 02:12:16,596
And then, passive wetland restoration on the property

2303
02:12:16,596 --> 02:12:17,960
began.

2304
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:19,960
In 2012.

2305
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:24,920
So, comparing the results between Roberts Ranch Preserve

2306
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:27,712
and Savage Christmas Creek Preserve,

2307
02:12:27,712 --> 02:12:31,912
for canopy, 5%, for Savage Christmas Creek Preserve

2308
02:12:33,246 --> 02:12:34,586
it was 25.

2309
02:12:34,586 --> 02:12:38,413
And that's in the area of that pasture restoration.

2310
02:12:38,413 --> 02:12:42,613
The shrub coverage, 5% on Roberts Ranch Preserve

2311
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:48,955
whereas on Savage Christmas Creek it was 10 to 20.

2312
02:12:48,955 --> 02:12:52,555
Ground cover, Roberts Ranch was 90 to 100%,

2313
02:12:53,879 --> 02:12:57,680
same thing with Savage Christmas Creek Preserve.

2314
02:12:57,680 --> 02:13:01,880
Native species diversity, 12 for Roberts Ranch Reserve,

2315
02:13:02,559 --> 02:13:06,159
whereas Savage Christmas Creek Preserve was 39.

2316
02:13:06,472 --> 02:13:11,872
And, the exotic species coverage 90 to 100% for Roberts Ranch.

2317
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:18,280
Versus less than 5% from Savage Christmas Creek.

2318
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:25,720
So, the pilot site graze areas have

2319
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:33,800
a lower diversity and higher invasive species presence.

2320
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:36,639
Savage Christmas Creek Preserve is

2321
02:13:36,639 --> 02:13:40,770
restored areas that resemble a healthy ecosystem as I mentioned

2322
02:13:40,770 --> 02:13:44,970
earlier as our flatwoods and wet flatwoods,

2323
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:48,906
and the pilot site could mirror Savage Christmas Creek preserve

2324
02:13:48,906 --> 02:13:51,906
under proper management and restoration efforts.

2325
02:13:51,906 --> 02:13:55,672
And in fact we do have some preliminary plans

2326
02:13:55,672 --> 02:13:59,272
to start restoring Roberts Ranch Preserve.

2327
02:13:59,812 --> 02:14:04,596
We will be utilizing some of the tree funds

2328
02:14:04,596 --> 02:14:07,720
to plant some trees out there as well as

2329
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:11,928
if the board decides to not move forward with this pilot project.

2330
02:14:11,928 --> 02:14:16,210
We It would then begin to do some passive enhancement

2331
02:14:16,210 --> 02:14:21,100
by reducing the mowing of those pasture areas.

2332
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:25,160
And so, the operational considerations,

2333
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:31,180
it could impact our ability to manage the property

2334
02:14:31,180 --> 02:14:32,400
with prescribed fire.

2335
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:35,400
Could delay future restoration efforts.

2336
02:14:35,986 --> 02:14:39,504
Staff time dedicated to managing the catalyst

2337
02:14:39,504 --> 02:14:41,680
could be spent on needed improvements

2338
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:45,504
on this property as well as our Green Place property.

2339
02:14:45,504 --> 02:14:49,616
We have a small but mighty team, and the Green Place program.

2340
02:14:49,616 --> 02:14:53,816
And so, managing a thousand 8000 plus acres

2341
02:14:54,420 --> 02:14:57,453
is a hard task, as well as making

2342
02:14:57,453 --> 02:14:59,976
sure that the users of the ones that are open

2343
02:14:59,976 --> 02:15:01,710
have a great experience.

2344
02:15:01,710 --> 02:15:04,264
And, it could reduce some of the mowing costs,

2345
02:15:04,264 --> 02:15:09,320
but it could reduce some of the mowing costs for the program.

2346
02:15:09,320 --> 02:15:14,720
And, so, we are just doing the preliminary things

2347
02:15:15,140 --> 02:15:19,200
under the pilot program, if the board decides

2348
02:15:19,200 --> 02:15:21,480
to move forward with the pilot program,

2349
02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:26,720
we would then work on the lease creation along with Iphis,

2350
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:29,260
and develop scope of services and delegation

2351
02:15:29,260 --> 02:15:30,440
of responsibilities.

2352
02:15:30,440 --> 02:15:34,400
And craft a contract documents along

2353
02:15:34,865 --> 02:15:37,265
with our procurement colleagues.

2354
02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:43,500
And then as well as county and facilitate review

2355
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:44,696
of those contracts.

2356
02:15:44,696 --> 02:15:49,445
And then we would bid it out, unlike a normal bid,

2357
02:15:49,445 --> 02:15:52,735
the bid would go to the highest bidder here.

2358
02:15:52,735 --> 02:15:57,320
Because we are going to be because it's

2359
02:15:57,320 --> 02:16:00,632
seen as a revenue generating opportunity.

2360
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:06,133
And then, we would then go under contract management

2361
02:16:06,133 --> 02:16:10,920
and oversight, and all of those things that we did previously,

2362
02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:12,420
we would be doing annually.

2363
02:16:12,420 --> 02:16:15,800
So we would be looking at the natural communities

2364
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:21,870
annually to see if we notice an impact on those communities.

2365
02:16:21,870 --> 02:16:26,224
We estimate 10% of one full time land manager.

2366
02:16:26,224 --> 02:16:30,986
To oversight on that contract as well as additional staff

2367
02:16:30,986 --> 02:16:31,960
resources.

2368
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:35,600
That will be needed for that annual vegetation.

2369
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:38,660
And the monitoring of the site.

2370
02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:45,133
So, some of the risks that could potentially

2371
02:16:45,133 --> 02:16:47,813
be associated with cattle operations

2372
02:16:47,813 --> 02:16:50,448
are physical hazards and injury risk

2373
02:16:50,448 --> 02:16:56,128
to individuals such as kicking, pinning, and charging because we

2374
02:16:56,128 --> 02:16:58,853
as humans think they're cute, and they are cute,

2375
02:16:58,853 --> 02:17:02,389
but we want to pet them and they don't really like that.

2376
02:17:02,389 --> 02:17:06,589
Risk of disease, parasites or fungal transmission,

2377
02:17:07,186 --> 02:17:10,400
and cattle operation should not occur on properties

2378
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:12,872
that are open to the public.

2379
02:17:12,872 --> 02:17:16,960
And property usage should not contradict with the intent

2380
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:17,580
of the acquisition.

2381
02:17:17,580 --> 02:17:19,980
Which is environmental protection.

2382
02:17:21,800 --> 02:17:25,800
And so, now I'm going to go over the public policy

2383
02:17:25,800 --> 02:17:26,616
considerations.

2384
02:17:26,616 --> 02:17:30,488
And so, we are going to be talking

2385
02:17:30,488 --> 02:17:34,880
about environmental impacts, agricultural use benefit,

2386
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:37,440
cattle grazing near Orange County, advisory board

2387
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:41,120
discussions, county charter and comprehensive plan requirements,

2388
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:44,720
and the cost versus benefit analysis.

2389
02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:51,400
So, is this you Kevin?

2390
02:17:51,714 --> 02:17:53,714
I lost track.

2391
02:17:56,530 --> 02:17:59,430
>> Like any land use management practice manage grazing has some

2392
02:17:59,430 --> 02:18:01,680
potential benefits, and some potential challenges.

2393
02:18:01,680 --> 02:18:04,984
We looked at decades of agricultural research

2394
02:18:04,984 --> 02:18:09,872
that really just came down to largely how is the land managed?

2395
02:18:09,872 --> 02:18:12,200
Some of the public comments earlier

2396
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:15,300
mentioned and managed grazing can contribute

2397
02:18:15,300 --> 02:18:19,500
to soil compaction, erosion, vegetation degradation, water

2398
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:25,200
quality impacts, and also increased bacterial loading,

2399
02:18:25,240 --> 02:18:28,340
but that's why best management practices or BMPs

2400
02:18:28,340 --> 02:18:32,496
you've probably heard that term are such an important part

2401
02:18:32,496 --> 02:18:34,896
of modern grazing management.

2402
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:38,680
These include rotational grazing, appropriate stocking

2403
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,960
rates as I mentioned earlier, protecting sensitive areas

2404
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:47,552
with fencing and stream buffers, providing alternative watering

2405
02:18:47,552 --> 02:18:52,680
sources, maybe dig a hole, no pun intended of just having

2406
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:54,815
water, and ongoing monitoring are all

2407
02:18:54,815 --> 02:18:56,648
designed to reduce the environmental impacts

2408
02:18:56,648 --> 02:18:58,390
and protect the water quality.

2409
02:18:58,390 --> 02:19:01,150
When those practices are implemented research

2410
02:19:01,150 --> 02:19:04,430
has shown that managed grazing can also provide benefits

2411
02:19:04,430 --> 02:19:07,546
by helping to control excessive vegetation,

2412
02:19:07,546 --> 02:19:12,946
reducing the accumulated biomass that can contribute to wildfire,

2413
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:17,660
maintaining open landscapes and also supporting

2414
02:19:17,660 --> 02:19:19,330
habitat management objectives.

2415
02:19:19,330 --> 02:19:22,400
So from our perspective and extension

2416
02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:24,450
it's really the management not simply

2417
02:19:24,450 --> 02:19:25,920
the presence of the livestock that ultimately

2418
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:27,920
determines the outcome.

2419
02:19:28,890 --> 02:19:31,240
So, from an agricultural perspective

2420
02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:33,746
managed grazing as I mentioned is recognized

2421
02:19:33,746 --> 02:19:36,110
as a land management tool.

2422
02:19:36,110 --> 02:19:40,310
So, managing vegetation, reducing the excess biomass,

2423
02:19:41,320 --> 02:19:45,720
maintaining the open pasture, and the other land management

2424
02:19:45,720 --> 02:19:48,760
practices it can complement other land management

2425
02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:50,740
practices when appropriate.

2426
02:19:50,740 --> 02:19:54,584
In agriculture we often talk about using the right management

2427
02:19:54,584 --> 02:19:56,563
tool for the right landscape.

2428
02:19:56,563 --> 02:19:59,293
So, depending on the property, that

2429
02:19:59,293 --> 02:20:02,293
could include prescribed fire, mechanical

2430
02:20:02,730 --> 02:20:06,112
mowing maybe some herbicide treatments, managed grazing,

2431
02:20:06,112 --> 02:20:09,984
or a combination of some of those approaches or all of those

2432
02:20:09,984 --> 02:20:11,560
approaches for that property.

2433
02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:15,460
No single practice is really appropriate for every property,

2434
02:20:15,460 --> 02:20:18,773
because some have limitations some have advantages.

2435
02:20:18,773 --> 02:20:20,685
Research has shown that when grazing

2436
02:20:20,685 --> 02:20:23,400
is properly managed and appropriately managed

2437
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:25,936
it can help recycle the nutrients on the property

2438
02:20:25,936 --> 02:20:29,920
and maintain the forage quality and reduce those loads that can

2439
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:31,920
contribute to wildfire risk.

2440
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:37,250
And, it really does also at the end of the day

2441
02:20:37,250 --> 02:20:41,480
really depend on applying that grazing sound management,

2442
02:20:41,480 --> 02:20:45,400
and continually monitoring those site conditions over time where

2443
02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:47,896
that producer will probably be there daily.

2444
02:20:47,896 --> 02:20:49,710
The important point from our perspective

2445
02:20:49,710 --> 02:20:53,300
is that grazing isn't viewed as a livestock production,

2446
02:20:53,300 --> 02:20:55,906
it's a land management practice.

2447
02:20:55,906 --> 02:20:59,664
So, stewardship is the land management practice and matching

2448
02:20:59,664 --> 02:21:02,663
that right with the right property is going to be good.

2449
02:21:02,663 --> 02:21:07,820
And, I would be remiss if I didn't highlight

2450
02:21:07,820 --> 02:21:11,340
the what the agriculture is in Orange County,

2451
02:21:11,340 --> 02:21:14,173
because it does play a significant role.

2452
02:21:14,173 --> 02:21:17,410
Orange County is home to over 600 farms.

2453
02:21:17,410 --> 02:21:21,100
Which operate roughly on around 84,000 acres.

2454
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:24,408
Which generates over $400 million

2455
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:27,800
in annual ag sales which is amazing.

2456
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:32,000
Despite being one of Florida's urbanized counties.

2457
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:35,280
Orange County ranks fifth in the state

2458
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:39,840
in total agricultural sales, and second in nursery greenhouse

2459
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,480
floriculture and sod production.

2460
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:43,613
So, agriculture here in Orange County

2461
02:21:43,613 --> 02:21:47,186
is very diverse, commercial nurseries, citrus cattle,

2462
02:21:47,186 --> 02:21:50,186
equine, specialty crops, and definitely

2463
02:21:51,900 --> 02:21:57,592
a strong generation of the next agricultural leaders with R4 h

2464
02:21:57,592 --> 02:21:59,392
youngsters and FFA.

2465
02:21:59,392 --> 02:22:02,992
As Orange County continues to grow,

2466
02:22:03,430 --> 02:22:06,616
agriculture will remain an important part of our economy

2467
02:22:06,616 --> 02:22:09,400
and our community and landscape here so understanding

2468
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:11,213
that broader agricultural context

2469
02:22:11,213 --> 02:22:13,820
really helps inform this discussion.

2470
02:22:13,820 --> 02:22:15,820
Beth?

2471
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:29,107
>> So, while we were evaluating this proposal,

2472
02:22:29,107 --> 02:22:34,507
we did reach out statewide throughout the entire state

2473
02:22:35,312 --> 02:22:40,712
to see what other local natural resource preservation programs

2474
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:45,664
and whether they use the activity of cattle grazing

2475
02:22:45,664 --> 02:22:49,264
on their properties or, or not.

2476
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:53,200
And this is not all inclusive, these

2477
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:55,856
are only the folks that actually responded to us.

2478
02:22:55,856 --> 02:22:59,288
So we are aware that there are other programs that allow cattle

2479
02:22:59,288 --> 02:22:59,976
grazing.

2480
02:22:59,976 --> 02:23:03,360
So Saint Johns River Water Management District

2481
02:23:03,360 --> 02:23:05,520
in South Florida Water Management District

2482
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:07,920
do allow cattle grazing.

2483
02:23:08,360 --> 02:23:10,773
And almost all of their lease areas

2484
02:23:10,773 --> 02:23:13,120
are 500 plus acres in size.

2485
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:16,262
Seminole County does not allow it

2486
02:23:16,262 --> 02:23:18,632
due to a lack of available land.

2487
02:23:18,632 --> 02:23:23,400
Lake County no grazing program due to active land restoration

2488
02:23:23,400 --> 02:23:25,800
and other ecological concerns.

2489
02:23:26,746 --> 02:23:31,546
Osceola County does not have a grazing program.

2490
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:37,000
And so, Kevin, you're up.

2491
02:23:42,124 --> 02:23:44,832
>> So I'm the county liaison for the agricultural advisory Board.

2492
02:23:44,832 --> 02:23:50,232
And that board powers and duties does provide recommendations

2493
02:23:52,300 --> 02:23:55,273
on various county rules regulations and ordinances that

2494
02:23:55,273 --> 02:23:58,384
affect the ag industry to really retain and enhance

2495
02:23:58,384 --> 02:23:59,653
that industry's presence.

2496
02:23:59,653 --> 02:24:01,840
We do have an 11 member board which

2497
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:05,880
is made up of AG education, horticulture, equine, livestock,

2498
02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:10,800
fruit crop, landscape, water management, tree producer,

2499
02:24:10,960 --> 02:24:12,960
and urban agriculture.

2500
02:24:13,260 --> 02:24:16,860
As mentioned at the very beginning

2501
02:24:17,136 --> 02:24:22,740
this board did have a concern or question if you will.

2502
02:24:22,740 --> 02:24:27,540
That was raised , prior to the sale of.

2503
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:36,460
The board also discussed some positive impacts

2504
02:24:36,460 --> 02:24:40,340
of the community if it were to be allowed, and also

2505
02:24:40,340 --> 02:24:42,313
some negative impacts to the community

2506
02:24:42,313 --> 02:24:49,704
if it were to be allowed for and also as well as the environment.

2507
02:24:49,704 --> 02:24:52,840
The board to discuss, and they understand

2508
02:24:52,840 --> 02:24:55,936
that conservation environmental protection and public access

2509
02:24:55,936 --> 02:24:59,536
should be the primary greenspace properties.

2510
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:06,000
And they did present this as a land stewardship tool

2511
02:25:06,696 --> 02:25:08,920
and some members spoke earlier to aid

2512
02:25:08,920 --> 02:25:10,480
the management of the property.

2513
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:13,120
While future activities were being

2514
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:15,200
established such as the pilot.

2515
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:17,600
Doing the pilot feasibility.

2516
02:25:27,855 --> 02:25:29,230
>> The Greenspace Advisory board,

2517
02:25:29,230 --> 02:25:29,237
their mission statement is ensuring the strategic

2518
02:25:29,237 --> 02:25:32,552
acquisition of ecologically diverse lands to enhance

2519
02:25:32,552 --> 02:25:35,690
the quality of life for our residents and visitors

2520
02:25:35,690 --> 02:25:37,104
of Central Florida.

2521
02:25:37,104 --> 02:25:40,104
It's a seven member board.

2522
02:25:40,370 --> 02:25:44,520
Academic R2, agricultural R2 at large one

2523
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:48,520
environmental conservation Organization member is at two.

2524
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:51,697
So, the board discussions they were originally

2525
02:25:51,697 --> 02:25:55,824
considering this as a potential income source

2526
02:25:55,824 --> 02:26:00,160
to aid in purchasing properties, to ensure the lands

2527
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:03,684
are fully utilized and not left unmanaged.

2528
02:26:03,684 --> 02:26:06,173
We tried to partner with local communities

2529
02:26:06,173 --> 02:26:09,426
and build relationships, but after discussion

2530
02:26:09,426 --> 02:26:13,260
and further information that was provided,

2531
02:26:13,800 --> 02:26:16,200
some concerns arose over water quality and vegetative

2532
02:26:16,200 --> 02:26:18,200
communities.

2533
02:26:18,920 --> 02:26:23,120
And so, the county charter 704 was passed

2534
02:26:26,813 --> 02:26:28,813
with 80% support in 2024.

2535
02:26:29,864 --> 02:26:32,573
And that address county protected

2536
02:26:32,573 --> 02:26:35,480
lands including public parks, recreation areas,

2537
02:26:35,480 --> 02:26:37,420
and environmentally sensitive lands

2538
02:26:37,420 --> 02:26:40,880
acquired by the county for environmental ecological

2539
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:42,450
recreational purposes.

2540
02:26:42,450 --> 02:26:46,500
This charter would require a majority

2541
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:48,720
plus one vote of the County Commission

2542
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:52,128
to authorize the disposition of the land.

2543
02:26:52,128 --> 02:26:56,163
Or a change in the use of the land.

2544
02:26:56,163 --> 02:27:00,248
So, allowing cattle grazing on green place property that

2545
02:27:00,248 --> 02:27:03,768
have been purchased for the purpose of and use

2546
02:27:03,768 --> 02:27:08,216
as preservation could be considered as a change of use

2547
02:27:08,216 --> 02:27:10,616
requiring a supermajority vote.

2548
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:14,620
And so, the adopted comprehensive plan

2549
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:20,600
which is destination 2030 and the vision 2050 the proposed One

2550
02:27:21,355 --> 02:27:24,955
vision 2050 directs development towards existing communities.

2551
02:27:25,780 --> 02:27:30,784
Already served by infrastructure while conserving our open space

2552
02:27:30,784 --> 02:27:32,930
and protecting animal and plant habitats

2553
02:27:32,930 --> 02:27:35,728
from places of natural beauty.

2554
02:27:35,728 --> 02:27:39,328
In 2007 the Green Place Use Resolution

2555
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:43,920
needs to be put into context with the adopt a Comprehensive

2556
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:48,400
Plan policies and definitions for Preservations and vision

2557
02:27:48,400 --> 02:27:48,936
2050.

2558
02:27:48,936 --> 02:27:54,000
And their intent with respect to T1 transects natural preserves.

2559
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:57,000
Natural lands are currently preserved

2560
02:27:57,870 --> 02:28:00,700
or in the process of being preserved generally

2561
02:28:00,700 --> 02:28:04,900
under public ownership or ownership of institutions.

2562
02:28:05,480 --> 02:28:10,120
Preserve natural and sensitive lands within Orange County.

2563
02:28:10,120 --> 02:28:13,733
Provide for ecosystem education and limited public recreation

2564
02:28:13,733 --> 02:28:16,733
without threatening those sensitive ecosystems.

2565
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:22,480
And again, cattle grazing if vision 2050 were passed.

2566
02:28:22,864 --> 02:28:27,664
They would not be allowed in T1 parcels.

2567
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:06,280
To maintain the program is estimated to be $15,000 per year

2568
02:29:06,280 --> 02:29:08,608
bringing all of these are based on actual elements.

2569
02:29:08,608 --> 02:29:13,296
The potential fencing needed to exclude the cattle from Roberts

2570
02:29:13,296 --> 02:29:18,760
Ranch is estimated at 180,000 through the county's contract.

2571
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:22,276
And that's a photo of Roberts Ranch.

2572
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:29,000
So, the benefits would project an annual revenue from

2573
02:29:29,756 --> 02:29:32,882
the cattle would be about 20 to $30,000.

2574
02:29:32,882 --> 02:29:36,952
It can help to control the biomass of fuel loads

2575
02:29:36,952 --> 02:29:41,946
as Kevin mentioned, it also provides an on site presence

2576
02:29:41,946 --> 02:29:44,765
while future management is initiated,

2577
02:29:44,765 --> 02:29:49,160
and it also builds relationships between the agricultural and

2578
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:50,960
preservation communities.

2579
02:29:50,960 --> 02:29:56,360
Catalyze would not be revenue positive with the county

2580
02:29:56,440 --> 02:29:58,200
during the pilot program.

2581
02:29:58,200 --> 02:30:03,000
Based on the numbers that we have crunched.

2582
02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:08,120
And so, in summary, green place parcels

2583
02:30:08,856 --> 02:30:12,573
are intended for preservation restoration and maintenance

2584
02:30:12,573 --> 02:30:14,600
of environmentally sensitive lands,

2585
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:19,272
the advisory board supports the Green Place Advisory Board

2586
02:30:19,272 --> 02:30:22,820
split in their support and the Agricultural Advisory Board

2587
02:30:22,820 --> 02:30:26,975
is fully supportive, the pilot program assessment

2588
02:30:26,975 --> 02:30:30,575
revealed site has many environmental constraints

2589
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:35,700
including an impaired water body integrated natural communities.

2590
02:30:35,700 --> 02:30:37,872
The site would likely need to remain

2591
02:30:37,872 --> 02:30:42,896
closed to public recreation, limiting the number of users.

2592
02:30:42,896 --> 02:30:45,520
The catalyst could help build relationships

2593
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:49,460
across the community and bridge the gap of land management

2594
02:30:49,460 --> 02:30:54,860
activities that are implemented the board must resolve charter

2595
02:30:55,980 --> 02:30:59,580
policies and use for the catalyst,

2596
02:30:59,650 --> 02:31:03,864
and the lease will not be revenue positive to the county.

2597
02:31:03,864 --> 02:31:09,524
And so, again, I'm going to restate that fundamental policy

2598
02:31:09,524 --> 02:31:12,966
question, to help frame your discussion.

2599
02:31:12,966 --> 02:31:16,800
Our agricultural uses and environmentally equivalent

2600
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:16,895
preservation.

2601
02:31:16,895 --> 02:31:20,750
And the issues to consider are the county charter

2602
02:31:20,750 --> 02:31:22,780
and comprehensive plan policies.

2603
02:31:22,780 --> 02:31:25,780
Environmental impacts agricultural use benefit,

2604
02:31:26,870 --> 02:31:29,870
the cost versus benefit analysis,

2605
02:31:29,960 --> 02:31:34,800
and operational considerations and public use compatibility.

2606
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:36,784
And so, staff is seeking more direction

2607
02:31:36,784 --> 02:31:39,980
on whether to move forward with the pilot program for cattle

2608
02:31:39,980 --> 02:31:44,650
grazing on Roberts Ranch Preserve or other Green place

2609
02:31:44,650 --> 02:31:45,380
properties.

2610
02:31:45,380 --> 02:31:49,242
And Kevin and I will be happy to address any of your questions.

2611
02:31:49,242 --> 02:31:51,242
Thank you.

2612
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:53,738
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

2613
02:31:53,738 --> 02:31:55,696
Beth you said the annual revenue from the pilot

2614
02:31:55,696 --> 02:31:58,960
will be approximately 20 million?

2615
02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:01,920
>> 20 to 30 000.

2616
02:32:03,800 --> 02:32:06,986
Jerry L. Demings: And the annual expenses would be how much?

2617
02:32:06,986 --> 02:32:08,797
>> Annual would be 15000.

2618
02:32:08,797 --> 02:32:12,997
But those are also start up costs.

2619
02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:21,800
We did crunch the numbers mayor and it came out to 6.96 years

2620
02:32:21,800 --> 02:32:26,800
before the county would start to have any revenue.

2621
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:30,885
Jerry L. Demings: Yeah because the start up costs.

2622
02:32:30,885 --> 02:32:31,677
All right I got it.

2623
02:32:31,677 --> 02:32:33,219
With that, we are going to open it up

2624
02:32:33,219 --> 02:32:35,840
for discussion by the board.

2625
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:39,440
We will start with Commissioner Wilson.

2626
02:32:40,120 --> 02:32:41,873
Nicole H. Wilson: Thank you mayor.

2627
02:32:41,873 --> 02:32:43,498
Thank you so much for the presentation.

2628
02:32:43,498 --> 02:32:46,626
And for the time spent at the briefing,

2629
02:32:46,626 --> 02:32:49,813
I will say that I was a little bit shocked

2630
02:32:49,813 --> 02:32:53,920
when this kind of came so developed to us today,

2631
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:56,920
and I have a few questions, a few comments come

2632
02:32:56,920 --> 02:32:59,462
but I kind of want to start by asking,

2633
02:32:59,462 --> 02:33:02,609
my understanding of our incredible advisory boards

2634
02:33:02,609 --> 02:33:05,720
we are so grateful for their volunteerism and their work.

2635
02:33:05,720 --> 02:33:09,920
But my understanding of the governing documents

2636
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:13,906
procedural outlines of their work

2637
02:33:13,906 --> 02:33:18,533
is to review ordinances that are in place to provide advice

2638
02:33:18,533 --> 02:33:21,520
if you will as an advisory board.

2639
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:25,540
This appears to be the creation of some legislative action

2640
02:33:25,540 --> 02:33:27,120
so I was just wondering about sort

2641
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:30,600
of how it got this far without board

2642
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:32,456
direction and the ability for us to say hey,

2643
02:33:32,456 --> 02:33:36,970
maybe we tap the brakes on this, knowing that there was actually

2644
02:33:36,970 --> 02:33:41,720
legislation very similar to this going through this year that

2645
02:33:41,720 --> 02:33:43,700
was defeated, there was a lot of discussion about the reasons

2646
02:33:43,700 --> 02:33:46,782
why it was defeated for state parks and state conservation

2647
02:33:46,782 --> 02:33:47,367
movements.

2648
02:33:47,367 --> 02:33:49,340
And it would have been very informative,

2649
02:33:49,340 --> 02:33:50,971
I think it would have been something

2650
02:33:50,971 --> 02:33:52,763
that we could have discussed along the way.

2651
02:33:52,763 --> 02:33:54,835
I read the memo I think that came

2652
02:33:54,835 --> 02:33:57,280
from you that said that there were conversations

2653
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:59,792
between the advisory board and the county commission,

2654
02:33:59,792 --> 02:34:01,636
I got an introduction to a new member,

2655
02:34:01,636 --> 02:34:04,300
and I was grateful for that introduction,

2656
02:34:04,300 --> 02:34:06,469
but it certainly doesn't supplant

2657
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:09,340
the need for board direction on creating legislation.

2658
02:34:09,340 --> 02:34:17,740
So I kind of wanted to get some feedback from Mr. Kam on >> Yeah

2659
02:34:20,830 --> 02:34:21,330
sure.

2660
02:34:21,330 --> 02:34:21,335
Throughout this process, it grew.

2661
02:34:21,335 --> 02:34:22,418
The conversation did grow.

2662
02:34:22,418 --> 02:34:24,860
And we wanted to make sure that we had enough data

2663
02:34:24,860 --> 02:34:30,488
and we had enough research, we had enough surveys and science

2664
02:34:30,488 --> 02:34:35,280
before we even brought it to you because it was our position

2665
02:34:35,280 --> 02:34:39,584
that they wanted to just bring everything to you instead

2666
02:34:39,584 --> 02:34:45,565
of just going back and forth, we did have a member of E PD

2667
02:34:45,565 --> 02:34:50,320
join our ag advisory boards just to bounce some ideas off

2668
02:34:50,320 --> 02:34:53,773
and we also had a JC Arbor or agricultural extension

2669
02:34:53,773 --> 02:34:57,186
agent join the Green Place Advisory board,

2670
02:34:57,186 --> 02:34:58,780
so there can be some context.

2671
02:34:58,780 --> 02:35:01,880
So we can continue to move forward with the discussions.

2672
02:35:01,880 --> 02:35:05,324
Nicole H. Wilson: And did you all

2673
02:35:05,324 --> 02:35:06,699
track that state legislation that

2674
02:35:06,699 --> 02:35:08,991
was looking at very similar types of uses on state park

2675
02:35:08,991 --> 02:35:10,680
lands?

2676
02:35:10,680 --> 02:35:15,000
>> It was tracked, but I think our major thrust was primarily

2677
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:19,760
on this because the original question is could this work?

2678
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:20,566
Could this happen?

2679
02:35:20,566 --> 02:35:27,166
And as we were starting to look and gather more information

2680
02:35:29,795 --> 02:35:31,253
Nicole H. Wilson: That's lawmaking.

2681
02:35:31,253 --> 02:35:31,255
That's lawmaking.

2682
02:35:31,255 --> 02:35:33,213
I just want to make sure that that's clear that

2683
02:35:33,213 --> 02:35:35,840
that's lawmaking that's policy and that's the role of this

2684
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:37,200
community --

2685
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:39,200
Committee.

2686
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:42,603
>> That was the goal comment it kind of merged with other data.

2687
02:35:42,603 --> 02:35:46,488
And then also it wasn't a secondary use for green place

2688
02:35:46,488 --> 02:35:51,120
properties, but then we also had the planning with the T1,

2689
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:54,760
and that was interesting throughout the discussions,

2690
02:35:54,760 --> 02:35:57,340
and then that's when we found that out that

2691
02:35:57,340 --> 02:36:01,760
was when like okay we need to move this forward.

2692
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:04,293
Nicole H. Wilson: I appreciate that and I

2693
02:36:04,293 --> 02:36:06,460
think it's important I want to say right from the go

2694
02:36:06,460 --> 02:36:07,744
we have common goals right?

2695
02:36:07,744 --> 02:36:10,640
To protect ag lands and conservation lands,

2696
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:12,760
but that's an and, that's an and.

2697
02:36:12,760 --> 02:36:15,580
So we need to protect ag lands and conservation

2698
02:36:15,580 --> 02:36:18,210
lands so I just want to start out this entire conversation

2699
02:36:18,210 --> 02:36:19,600
by saying that.

2700
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:22,650
I love that we got these, thank you so

2701
02:36:22,650 --> 02:36:24,203
much for whoever shared them.

2702
02:36:24,203 --> 02:36:25,911
Because this is a great resource and it's

2703
02:36:25,911 --> 02:36:27,586
an important piece of information.

2704
02:36:27,586 --> 02:36:30,376
But it really supports I think the position

2705
02:36:30,376 --> 02:36:33,560
that I have here which is that the programs that

2706
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:35,480
are successful with this allow the retention

2707
02:36:35,480 --> 02:36:39,118
of the piece of property to stay with the farmer.

2708
02:36:39,118 --> 02:36:41,731
That the retention of the piece of property

2709
02:36:41,731 --> 02:36:44,660
stays with the farmer, and then the easement

2710
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:45,720
is provided by a land trust.

2711
02:36:45,720 --> 02:36:50,180
I don't know if the Agricultural Advisory Board participated,

2712
02:36:50,180 --> 02:36:54,888
or heard from anybody when we discussed as a board

2713
02:36:54,888 --> 02:36:57,746
the possibility for the infrastructure surtax

2714
02:36:57,746 --> 02:37:03,400
that included a portion to be dedicated to land acquisition

2715
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:04,288
and conservation.

2716
02:37:04,288 --> 02:37:07,650
It didn't go any further than this,

2717
02:37:07,650 --> 02:37:08,440
we would have loved to have heard

2718
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:11,885
from you all at that point, to understand that that would have

2719
02:37:11,885 --> 02:37:14,640
given us a lot of options to have

2720
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:17,100
a various new structural program.

2721
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:20,306
But, we didn't get that far.

2722
02:37:20,306 --> 02:37:23,933
I think there are some really incredible opportunities

2723
02:37:23,933 --> 02:37:27,533
and structural opportunities for farmer owned

2724
02:37:28,820 --> 02:37:33,464
and privately owned land with conservation easements applied

2725
02:37:33,464 --> 02:37:34,248
to them.

2726
02:37:34,248 --> 02:37:36,150
But that's not the Green Place program.

2727
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:40,856
The Green Place program is a fully developed program

2728
02:37:40,856 --> 02:37:44,456
that has its own structure dedicated

2729
02:37:44,540 --> 02:37:48,740
to the conservation of our most fragile

2730
02:37:50,180 --> 02:37:52,580
environmental ecologically sensitive lands.

2731
02:37:53,640 --> 02:37:56,368
And, there's an incredible amount of trust

2732
02:37:56,368 --> 02:37:59,802
that we had to go to the public to ask for in order

2733
02:37:59,802 --> 02:38:02,630
to really develop that program to its fullest potential.

2734
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:05,258
Which I believe even going back to what

2735
02:38:05,258 --> 02:38:07,100
we saw on the agenda and the consent

2736
02:38:07,100 --> 02:38:10,613
and adding more property to that almost every single agenda,

2737
02:38:10,613 --> 02:38:16,130
it has been a very robust and powerful program.

2738
02:38:16,480 --> 02:38:22,380
My biggest concern with applying a pilot to that program

2739
02:38:22,380 --> 02:38:26,266
is it inherently changes the nature of the program.

2740
02:38:26,266 --> 02:38:32,200
And, our communication about the need for both agricultural lands

2741
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:35,800
and specifically protecting environmentally sensitive lands

2742
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:39,652
should be in conjunction.

2743
02:38:39,652 --> 02:38:41,507
But I'm afraid if we overlap those

2744
02:38:41,507 --> 02:38:43,340
we will put ourselves in a position to break

2745
02:38:43,340 --> 02:38:44,423
some of that public trust.

2746
02:38:44,423 --> 02:38:46,728
Because it sounds again like somebody

2747
02:38:46,728 --> 02:38:49,286
is trying to develop a business off

2748
02:38:49,286 --> 02:38:54,820
of the public tax dollars off of the conservation and acquisition

2749
02:38:54,820 --> 02:38:56,820
work.

2750
02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:02,211
I kind of wanted to find out actually

2751
02:39:02,211 --> 02:39:04,938
I'm going to let this go down the line

2752
02:39:04,938 --> 02:39:06,882
and hear what my colleagues have to say.

2753
02:39:06,882 --> 02:39:12,588
I will tell you that I don't support a pilot of this type.

2754
02:39:12,588 --> 02:39:14,880
I think it's really important for us

2755
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:16,200
to continue to stay really focused on the mission

2756
02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:17,960
of the Green Place program because they've

2757
02:39:17,960 --> 02:39:19,114
got their hands full.

2758
02:39:19,114 --> 02:39:21,475
We understand we are moving into a budget session

2759
02:39:21,475 --> 02:39:23,700
where everyone is being asked, you

2760
02:39:23,700 --> 02:39:25,653
know there's no new positions coming anywhere everyone's being

2761
02:39:25,653 --> 02:39:27,653
asked to tighten their belt, every penny

2762
02:39:27,653 --> 02:39:29,540
has been looked at and accounted for,

2763
02:39:29,540 --> 02:39:34,720
and so for us to put ourselves at risk by somehow leveraging

2764
02:39:34,720 --> 02:39:40,300
this land that is there for purpose for ecosystems

2765
02:39:40,300 --> 02:39:44,830
in order to potentially advance other business interests

2766
02:39:45,608 --> 02:39:49,960
is I feel like a risk to the entire program.

2767
02:39:49,960 --> 02:39:53,913
So that's my position here I don't support the pilot program

2768
02:39:53,913 --> 02:39:56,800
but I do want to hear the board's discussion on this

2769
02:39:56,800 --> 02:39:57,645
and I appreciate all the information

2770
02:39:57,645 --> 02:40:00,200
on this I know there's a lot of work to bring it forward.

2771
02:40:00,200 --> 02:40:02,445
I would request if there are discussions

2772
02:40:02,445 --> 02:40:05,480
being had on legislative initiatives that you start

2773
02:40:05,480 --> 02:40:09,800
by talking to the board right?

2774
02:40:09,800 --> 02:40:11,626
You get this far down the line and what

2775
02:40:11,626 --> 02:40:15,226
looks like a very developed program,

2776
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:20,125
we may have been able to provide enough input,

2777
02:40:20,125 --> 02:40:22,880
honestly I wish we would have talked before January because I

2778
02:40:22,880 --> 02:40:25,380
think there would have been a lot of conversations about how

2779
02:40:25,380 --> 02:40:30,720
to use a half center bonding financing mechanism to help

2780
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:34,128
acquire more ag lands, but we didn't get that luxury.

2781
02:40:34,128 --> 02:40:36,293
So that would be my request.

2782
02:40:36,293 --> 02:40:38,720
And if County Administrator Brooks

2783
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:41,720
has some comments about that,

2784
02:40:46,412 --> 02:40:48,412
>> Just a point on the time not to distract from

2785
02:40:48,412 --> 02:40:48,414
the conversations.

2786
02:40:48,414 --> 02:40:49,872
Right with respect to the timing it

2787
02:40:49,872 --> 02:40:52,896
did start out as a recommendation

2788
02:40:52,896 --> 02:40:55,188
from the advisory board that we would come to the board

2789
02:40:55,188 --> 02:40:56,730
as we were going through the process.

2790
02:40:56,730 --> 02:40:58,730
There were questions.

2791
02:40:59,480 --> 02:41:03,680
And as Kevin indicated it started leading to a desire

2792
02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:06,800
to have more information.

2793
02:41:07,400 --> 02:41:09,328
We brought this to the board for a policy discussion

2794
02:41:09,328 --> 02:41:11,701
they know that I'm always saying we're not

2795
02:41:11,701 --> 02:41:13,326
the policymakers we have responsibility

2796
02:41:13,326 --> 02:41:15,130
to provide all the information.

2797
02:41:15,130 --> 02:41:17,404
So that was part of that evolution

2798
02:41:17,404 --> 02:41:21,240
to do the analysis studies that we

2799
02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:26,840
would take the discussion for that full sort of discussion.

2800
02:41:26,840 --> 02:41:31,640
Not only on the staff policy level discussion

2801
02:41:32,792 --> 02:41:38,876
it was not intended to do that, but it was our goal

2802
02:41:38,876 --> 02:41:42,192
to do with our staff to get as much data analysis as possible

2803
02:41:42,192 --> 02:41:45,192
for the board policy session.

2804
02:41:45,920 --> 02:41:48,920
Nicole H. Wilson: Thank you.

2805
02:41:48,963 --> 02:41:49,880
And I appreciate that.

2806
02:41:49,880 --> 02:41:54,200
Jerry L. Demings: I do think that in some of these situations

2807
02:41:54,200 --> 02:41:58,542
we have advisory boards staff gets put into a position

2808
02:41:58,542 --> 02:42:00,000
where they're being asked questions

2809
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:03,737
by these various advisory boards and staff ends up being put

2810
02:42:03,737 --> 02:42:06,237
in a position to do research.

2811
02:42:06,237 --> 02:42:07,668
At some point.

2812
02:42:07,668 --> 02:42:10,680
At that point is now where this is coming before the board,

2813
02:42:10,680 --> 02:42:16,350
and so I don't necessarily think that it's an appropriate point

2814
02:42:16,350 --> 02:42:19,635
to have this conversation for information.

2815
02:42:19,800 --> 02:42:23,400
But, I am kind of interested in you

2816
02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:25,912
know they talked about the Green Place advisory board,

2817
02:42:25,912 --> 02:42:28,312
and the split decision.

2818
02:42:29,480 --> 02:42:30,760
That's what?

2819
02:42:30,760 --> 02:42:32,760
Seven members?

2820
02:42:33,797 --> 02:42:35,380
>> Seven members at that last meeting,

2821
02:42:35,380 --> 02:42:36,933
only four members were present.

2822
02:42:36,933 --> 02:42:39,933
We did have a quorum.

2823
02:42:42,400 --> 02:42:45,704
Jerry L. Demings: Okay so that part wasn't quite explained,

2824
02:42:45,704 --> 02:42:47,871
so only four of the seven were present at that time?

2825
02:42:47,871 --> 02:42:50,800
And so we ended up with a 2 to 2 vote

2826
02:42:50,800 --> 02:42:56,800
which then is not persuasive when you only have two.

2827
02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:04,360
Did we have any indication from the other three

2828
02:43:05,786 --> 02:43:09,386
where they were on this issue?

2829
02:43:20,525 --> 02:43:22,567
>> They were originally supportive of the matter,

2830
02:43:22,567 --> 02:43:25,800
but they did not hear the additional information,

2831
02:43:25,800 --> 02:43:26,586
especially for the water quality.

2832
02:43:26,586 --> 02:43:31,120
In fact, one of the members who voted against it

2833
02:43:31,120 --> 02:43:34,660
had concerns in the very beginning

2834
02:43:34,660 --> 02:43:40,600
but, they just voted to continue to pursue it,

2835
02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:48,744
but his comments at the end were that he couldn't support it

2836
02:43:48,744 --> 02:43:51,100
because of the water quality impacts.

2837
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:55,300
And the impacts to our natural resources.

2838
02:43:56,240 --> 02:44:00,145
Jerry L. Demings: Well and obviously today I

2839
02:44:00,145 --> 02:44:02,200
think we have a significant threshold that we

2840
02:44:02,200 --> 02:44:06,146
have to get beyond in order to advance this.

2841
02:44:06,146 --> 02:44:11,546
And the requirement to have this essentially five members.

2842
02:44:13,300 --> 02:44:17,830
We probably wouldn't get that today I know.

2843
02:44:20,680 --> 02:44:23,600
Those of us who are present.

2844
02:44:23,600 --> 02:44:25,600
Well, let's see.

2845
02:44:27,104 --> 02:44:28,272
Yeah.

2846
02:44:28,272 --> 02:44:31,240
It would be very difficult to.

2847
02:44:31,240 --> 02:44:37,240
Out of the six remaining to have five of them.

2848
02:44:38,685 --> 02:44:41,685
To vote to advance this.

2849
02:44:42,360 --> 02:44:46,493
So I'm interested to listen to the rest of the board.

2850
02:44:46,493 --> 02:44:50,288
But, this conversation today is about giving the staff

2851
02:44:50,288 --> 02:44:51,344
some feedback okay?

2852
02:44:51,344 --> 02:44:54,733
To either pursue a pilot, bring back additional information

2853
02:44:54,733 --> 02:44:58,136
for us to make a decision on another date,

2854
02:44:58,136 --> 02:45:01,672
but if there is low interest by the board,

2855
02:45:01,672 --> 02:45:05,800
today to advance this, then this conversation

2856
02:45:05,800 --> 02:45:08,800
is going to conclude today.

2857
02:45:08,920 --> 02:45:14,320
Because I do think that Commissioner Wilson very adeptly

2858
02:45:16,460 --> 02:45:20,634
pointed out that we are really going

2859
02:45:20,634 --> 02:45:24,820
to have to be very fiscally conservative with this upcoming

2860
02:45:24,820 --> 02:45:26,460
budget cycle.

2861
02:45:26,460 --> 02:45:30,246
And, looking at how we spend dollars.

2862
02:45:31,112 --> 02:45:36,200
Secondly, I do think that as this report indicates

2863
02:45:36,200 --> 02:45:38,600
the operational considerations that

2864
02:45:38,653 --> 02:45:44,530
are significant there are some risk of cattle operations,

2865
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:49,872
and then, there are if we move forward

2866
02:45:49,872 --> 02:45:55,280
it will require a change as I see it in land use

2867
02:45:55,280 --> 02:45:57,280
by the supermajority.

2868
02:45:58,112 --> 02:46:02,312
And so, we can continue the conversation,

2869
02:46:03,293 --> 02:46:08,900
I want to see if you get that kind of support

2870
02:46:08,900 --> 02:46:10,520
to move forward or not.

2871
02:46:10,520 --> 02:46:12,520
Commissioner Simrad?

2872
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:14,800
You're up.

2873
02:46:18,400 --> 02:46:21,670
Kelly Martinez Semrad: Thank you mayor.

2874
02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:22,692
Thank you for the presentation I really

2875
02:46:22,692 --> 02:46:23,426
appreciate how well developed it was because I can honestly

2876
02:46:23,426 --> 02:46:25,808
say it from both sides when I was coming in today.

2877
02:46:25,808 --> 02:46:30,290
I take the advisors that I have on board there recommendation

2878
02:46:30,290 --> 02:46:32,290
to me wholeheartedly.

2879
02:46:32,453 --> 02:46:36,800
District five did vote for the exploration of this pilot

2880
02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:40,584
study and that advisory board, and, I

2881
02:46:40,584 --> 02:46:42,984
come from agricultural background,

2882
02:46:43,330 --> 02:46:49,421
I grew up in in the pasturelands of Oconomowoc Wisconsin that

2883
02:46:49,421 --> 02:46:51,237
only has you know has more cows living

2884
02:46:51,237 --> 02:46:53,759
in it than it does people.

2885
02:46:53,759 --> 02:46:56,841
And, I was very active in the FFA,

2886
02:46:56,841 --> 02:47:00,112
I believe that probably one of my greatest mentors

2887
02:47:00,112 --> 02:47:05,512
was Bobby Beagle's, and so, you know his wife

2888
02:47:06,115 --> 02:47:08,490
Vicki tells me sometimes Kelly don't tell too many people

2889
02:47:08,490 --> 02:47:11,736
that because some people loved him and some people didn't but,

2890
02:47:11,736 --> 02:47:15,600
I'm proud that he was a mentor, and if I believe

2891
02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:19,120
one thing about cattle ranchers and farmers is

2892
02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:21,337
that they care about the land.

2893
02:47:21,337 --> 02:47:22,808
I really truly believe at.

2894
02:47:22,808 --> 02:47:23,880
I know it.

2895
02:47:23,880 --> 02:47:27,760
I believe in the power of agricultural economy,

2896
02:47:27,760 --> 02:47:31,296
it has one of the lowest leakage effects that we actually

2897
02:47:31,296 --> 02:47:34,896
have in our local economy here.

2898
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:39,888
I'll also talk about the finances in a minute,

2899
02:47:39,888 --> 02:47:41,808
because that's where I'm a little bit hooked.

2900
02:47:41,808 --> 02:47:46,560
I'll say that every single day farmers put food on our tables,

2901
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:50,752
I'm okay with supporting farmers in a program like this.

2902
02:47:50,752 --> 02:47:52,800
And I believe that there are ways

2903
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:55,693
that we can do a controlled pilot

2904
02:47:55,693 --> 02:48:00,200
study to learn about the impact of what happens here.

2905
02:48:00,200 --> 02:48:05,400
And when I say controlled, I would need more information

2906
02:48:05,400 --> 02:48:08,428
today than what I got, which I mean you know

2907
02:48:08,428 --> 02:48:09,720
what are the control variables?

2908
02:48:09,720 --> 02:48:11,696
That we would be looking at?

2909
02:48:11,696 --> 02:48:14,792
What's the period of measurement that we are considering?

2910
02:48:14,792 --> 02:48:18,100
We already have great Pre-data, so we

2911
02:48:18,100 --> 02:48:21,920
can do a pretest and post-test and a during test,

2912
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:24,808
and a post-test here, to really understand

2913
02:48:24,808 --> 02:48:27,706
the dynamics of what happens.

2914
02:48:27,706 --> 02:48:30,821
I am concerned about the rezoning,

2915
02:48:30,821 --> 02:48:32,488
I don't know what those implications are

2916
02:48:32,488 --> 02:48:37,600
when we have a state that is preempting our land rights all

2917
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:38,113
the time.

2918
02:48:38,113 --> 02:48:42,570
We are dealing with one this afternoon with Senate Bill 180,

2919
02:48:42,570 --> 02:48:45,817
but where I have my pause here O,

2920
02:48:45,817 --> 02:48:50,176
and I also just want to say to, because I did some research

2921
02:48:50,176 --> 02:48:57,270
and there are other, when we use our land in this form,

2922
02:48:57,270 --> 02:48:59,708
it opens the door for other grants

2923
02:48:59,708 --> 02:49:04,320
that we could actually apply for that could then help detour

2924
02:49:04,320 --> 02:49:08,280
all of the things that we are concerned about from,

2925
02:49:08,280 --> 02:49:10,200
let me see.

2926
02:49:10,200 --> 02:49:13,560
The fencing to protect the wetlands, rotations of grazing

2927
02:49:13,560 --> 02:49:17,160
infrastructure, invasive species management, native grass

2928
02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:20,940
restoration, water quality improvements, those are all

2929
02:49:20,940 --> 02:49:22,720
through USDA Conservation program

2930
02:49:22,720 --> 02:49:25,720
grants that fund programs like this.

2931
02:49:25,720 --> 02:49:28,333
So, I do have a lot of support for this.

2932
02:49:28,333 --> 02:49:32,832
But, where I am concerned because you know Orange County

2933
02:49:32,832 --> 02:49:35,240
we went through a Doge process.

2934
02:49:35,240 --> 02:49:38,693
By golly up here and we didn't get such great reviews,

2935
02:49:38,693 --> 02:49:44,930
and so what I'm concerned about is nobody did.

2936
02:49:44,676 --> 02:49:45,176
Nobody did.

2937
02:49:45,176 --> 02:49:46,256
You are absolutely right.

2938
02:49:46,256 --> 02:49:50,480
But where I am concerned is when we talk about a seven year

2939
02:49:50,480 --> 02:49:52,348
deficit before we begin to see anything,

2940
02:49:52,348 --> 02:49:55,644
and that's where I have reason to pause.

2941
02:49:55,644 --> 02:49:59,000
Because our books are under scrutiny,

2942
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:01,600
we are coming into the budgeting session right now,

2943
02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:06,800
we are looking at you know if property tax reform passes,

2944
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:10,388
the loss of more than $100 million.

2945
02:50:10,388 --> 02:50:13,233
So there are those concerns.

2946
02:50:13,233 --> 02:50:19,400
And so I need more information on the pilot study

2947
02:50:19,400 --> 02:50:20,910
and the variables that would be controlled,

2948
02:50:20,910 --> 02:50:24,680
the intervals of testing so that we understand when we can say,

2949
02:50:24,680 --> 02:50:26,760
this isn't working or hey this is working,

2950
02:50:26,760 --> 02:50:29,317
and I need to understand the finances better.

2951
02:50:29,317 --> 02:50:33,280
So I don't know if you have any of that information today,

2952
02:50:33,280 --> 02:50:39,880
but I'm not opposed to exploring this program, I am supportive.

2953
02:50:40,472 --> 02:50:42,680
>> So as I mentioned in my presentation Commissioner,

2954
02:50:42,680 --> 02:50:47,712
we will be doing the vegetation evaluation every year.

2955
02:50:47,712 --> 02:50:52,337
And we could potentially do it twice a year.

2956
02:50:52,337 --> 02:50:54,776
Once in the fall and once in the spring,

2957
02:50:54,776 --> 02:50:58,506
because there are differences in seasonality with the species

2958
02:50:58,506 --> 02:51:00,210
that we can observe through those.

2959
02:51:00,210 --> 02:51:04,410
The water quality, monitoring of Robert's rest

2960
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:09,690
will continue to occur on a quarterly basis,

2961
02:51:09,690 --> 02:51:12,393
similar to the other water bodies

2962
02:51:12,393 --> 02:51:15,000
that we sample throughout the year.

2963
02:51:15,000 --> 02:51:18,000
Through the Environmental Protection Commission.

2964
02:51:25,951 --> 02:51:27,784
Kelly Martinez Semrad: So what's the trigger

2965
02:51:27,784 --> 02:51:27,790
when you say this is working?

2966
02:51:27,790 --> 02:51:29,630
Or this is the trigger, this is not working?

2967
02:51:29,630 --> 02:51:32,300
What are those thresholds?

2968
02:51:32,493 --> 02:51:35,880
And whose thresholds are those?

2969
02:51:35,880 --> 02:51:36,720
Do we make them up?

2970
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:39,813
Are they like where do these come from?

2971
02:51:39,813 --> 02:51:44,802
>> The evaluation criteria, I believe it utilizes and was

2972
02:51:44,802 --> 02:51:46,760
developed by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation

2973
02:51:46,760 --> 02:51:47,310
Commission.

2974
02:51:47,310 --> 02:51:52,610
So, we will compare these pre results to the annual results

2975
02:51:52,610 --> 02:51:58,712
and then we will continue to do that as in the presentation as I

2976
02:51:58,712 --> 02:52:03,512
alluded the numbers for Robert's Ranch Preserve vegetative

2977
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:08,400
community is extremely low the invasive invasives that

2978
02:52:11,512 --> 02:52:14,780
occur on that property within the areas that they evaluated

2979
02:52:14,780 --> 02:52:16,780
is high.

2980
02:52:19,480 --> 02:52:22,965
Kelly Martinez Semrad: But as you're doing the tests,

2981
02:52:22,965 --> 02:52:23,798
what's that trigger?

2982
02:52:23,798 --> 02:52:27,620
Where you get a number and you say this number is too low,

2983
02:52:27,620 --> 02:52:30,780
this number is too high, at what point is there an evaluation

2984
02:52:30,780 --> 02:52:32,733
of continuing the program?

2985
02:52:32,733 --> 02:52:37,260
How long do we wait for improvement to show?

2986
02:52:37,260 --> 02:52:43,333
Or how long do we wait for a decrease in standard to show?

2987
02:52:43,333 --> 02:52:47,720
>> I don't think we would see an improvement in those criteria

2988
02:52:47,720 --> 02:52:50,910
that we evaluated for the vegetative community and cattle

2989
02:52:50,910 --> 02:52:53,800
grazing would continue because we would not be doing

2990
02:52:53,800 --> 02:52:59,000
the restoration that we would need to look at and achieve

2991
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:02,860
the results that we saw on the reference site.

2992
02:53:02,860 --> 02:53:06,500
That being said, and I just have to mention,

2993
02:53:06,500 --> 02:53:11,400
the water quality and the fact that it may become impaired

2994
02:53:11,400 --> 02:53:13,832
and that there are no structural BMPs,

2995
02:53:13,832 --> 02:53:17,560
I know Kevin talked about BMPs that

2996
02:53:17,560 --> 02:53:20,600
could be placed in the lease in the scope,

2997
02:53:20,600 --> 02:53:23,544
and if it's the board's decision to move forward,

2998
02:53:23,544 --> 02:53:25,260
we will work with them very closely

2999
02:53:25,260 --> 02:53:29,560
to make sure that we include those into any lease.

3000
02:53:29,560 --> 02:53:35,480
But, there are no structural BMPs to address E coli.

3001
02:53:35,480 --> 02:53:39,680
And, on average, the water quality improvement

3002
02:53:40,660 --> 02:53:45,466
projects that we can address cost between 2 to $10 million.

3003
02:53:47,000 --> 02:53:49,000
One project.

3004
02:53:59,859 --> 02:54:02,109
Jerry L. Demings: John do you want to come to the mic?

3005
02:54:02,109 --> 02:54:03,734
>> Commissioner there's no magic score,

3006
02:54:03,734 --> 02:54:05,879
and that's ultimately we understand that there is

3007
02:54:05,879 --> 02:54:09,426
a policy discussion to be had about what the board thinks

3008
02:54:09,426 --> 02:54:12,600
preservation looks like, and so, that's one of the reasons that

3009
02:54:12,600 --> 02:54:15,188
we wanted to bring forth this comparative analysis which was

3010
02:54:15,188 --> 02:54:17,376
a property the Savage Christmas Creek Preserve,

3011
02:54:17,376 --> 02:54:20,359
it was a property that the county acquired 20 years ago.

3012
02:54:20,359 --> 02:54:22,680
It was former cattle grazing, we went

3013
02:54:22,680 --> 02:54:26,120
through both active and passive restoration of that property,

3014
02:54:26,120 --> 02:54:28,710
so that property 20 years earlier

3015
02:54:28,710 --> 02:54:32,444
is fairly comparable to where Robert's branch Preserve sits

3016
02:54:32,444 --> 02:54:32,944
today.

3017
02:54:32,944 --> 02:54:35,680
So as you look at those numbers, if you're

3018
02:54:35,680 --> 02:54:38,112
comfortable with that level of degradation,

3019
02:54:38,112 --> 02:54:40,890
or the lack of restoration preservation.

3020
02:54:40,890 --> 02:54:43,280
Ultimately that's the board's decision

3021
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:49,520
but what level of quality that you're looking to achieve.

3022
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:52,160
Is that comparative analysis was attempting to basically say

3023
02:54:52,160 --> 02:54:56,472
again, cattle grazing just came from the property

3024
02:54:56,472 --> 02:54:58,272
versus Robert's branch.

3025
02:54:58,272 --> 02:55:01,872
Or within the last two years.

3026
02:55:02,340 --> 02:55:05,000
So we can restore it and leave it alone

3027
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:08,560
it could look like savage Christmas Creek in 20 years.

3028
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:10,493
That benchmark is at least what we

3029
02:55:10,493 --> 02:55:15,293
attempted to do absent a score or something.

3030
02:55:16,960 --> 02:55:18,685
Kelly Martinez Semrad: Okay.

3031
02:55:18,685 --> 02:55:21,600
So I'm trying to cross compare then with other government

3032
02:55:21,600 --> 02:55:23,880
organizations or supporting government organizations

3033
02:55:23,880 --> 02:55:25,940
because Saint John's River management

3034
02:55:25,940 --> 02:55:29,888
frequently we look to them for guidance in terms of what we are

3035
02:55:29,888 --> 02:55:33,000
doing environmentally, and they are using this practice,

3036
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:37,256
but I'm hearing both from you some strong intonation that this

3037
02:55:37,256 --> 02:55:43,256
is it doesn't sound as though you're supporting of it,

3038
02:55:45,400 --> 02:55:49,520
and that's okay, I'm just trying to understand why we are seeing

3039
02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:51,440
other government agencies that we

3040
02:55:51,440 --> 02:55:55,640
reference for environmental assessments are using it?

3041
02:55:56,920 --> 02:55:59,560
>> I'm going to go back to that water quality issue that

3042
02:55:59,560 --> 02:56:03,950
Robert's branch is impaired isn't paired for E coli,

3043
02:56:03,950 --> 02:56:07,776
and the cancer the county wants to say to they determine

3044
02:56:07,776 --> 02:56:11,200
a maximum daily loading would be required to try to clean that

3045
02:56:11,200 --> 02:56:11,790
up.

3046
02:56:11,790 --> 02:56:14,560
Unlike the Water management districts,

3047
02:56:14,560 --> 02:56:17,480
they are not involved in that process.

3048
02:56:17,480 --> 02:56:23,740
They don't get allocations for a percentage of what they need

3049
02:56:23,740 --> 02:56:25,800
to clean up for impairments.

3050
02:56:25,800 --> 02:56:30,613
And I don't disagree with you that they utilize it

3051
02:56:30,613 --> 02:56:36,525
as a means to help them with managing the site,

3052
02:56:36,525 --> 02:56:40,725
providing on site presence, that's a decision

3053
02:56:42,200 --> 02:56:45,514
that they made a very long time ago.

3054
02:56:45,514 --> 02:56:48,910
And I'm going to hearken back to the boat trip

3055
02:56:48,910 --> 02:56:52,510
when we took forH the spa.

3056
02:57:54,280 --> 02:57:58,695
We didn't include the start up cost, which is, you know,

3057
02:57:58,695 --> 02:58:01,320
if we were to fence out Robert's ranch it would cost the county

3058
02:58:01,320 --> 02:58:03,320
$180,000.

3059
02:58:10,120 --> 02:58:14,960
Of the leasee if that's the way that we are going to go.

3060
02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:21,170
We have to make sure that they are doing what they obligated

3061
02:58:21,170 --> 02:58:25,112
themselves to the contract, and I'm not saying they won't.

3062
02:58:25,112 --> 02:58:30,600
It's just that we we use the term trust verify.

3063
02:58:30,600 --> 02:58:34,800
As good stewards of the county's properties,

3064
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:40,450
we need to make sure that we have a continued presence,

3065
02:58:40,450 --> 02:58:44,360
to continue to develop that relationship with the lessee,

3066
02:58:44,360 --> 02:58:47,753
so that if it's the board's decision,

3067
02:58:47,753 --> 02:58:53,204
it would be a win win for both, the leasee, and the county.

3068
02:58:53,204 --> 02:58:59,204
So, we looked at 10% of the time 40 hours a week,

3069
02:59:00,466 --> 02:59:05,266
came out to $15,000 for one staff person's time.

3070
02:59:06,112 --> 02:59:07,980
For that annual.

3071
02:59:07,980 --> 02:59:12,720
That doesn't include the cost, so we added all of those up,

3072
02:59:12,720 --> 02:59:14,968
we did not include the cost of the property,

3073
02:59:14,968 --> 02:59:22,168
I did that exercise, it's really 50 or 60 years to pay it back.

3074
02:59:28,240 --> 02:59:28,951
Yeah.

3075
02:59:28,951 --> 02:59:33,401
It also would take a long time for the Leasee

3076
02:59:33,401 --> 02:59:38,000
to make money if they were to be putting in the water sources

3077
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:43,280
and thankfully the fences are in good condition, but some of them

3078
02:59:43,280 --> 02:59:45,760
need the perimeter fencing, because that's

3079
02:59:45,760 --> 02:59:49,860
important to the leasee or a potentially C,

3080
02:59:49,860 --> 02:59:53,426
because, that cow is a commodity.

3081
02:59:53,426 --> 02:59:56,289
They don't want to have that cow go out on the road

3082
02:59:56,289 --> 03:00:01,890
and get lost or hit by a car.

3083
03:00:07,544 --> 03:00:09,752
Kelly Martinez Semrad: You had some specific benefits

3084
03:00:09,752 --> 03:00:11,752
to the program.

3085
03:00:11,800 --> 03:00:15,480
And I'm sure you spoke on cost and the analyzation from BPD

3086
03:00:15,480 --> 03:00:17,100
is definitely true for their numbers.

3087
03:00:17,100 --> 03:00:22,500
But, there could be different numbers at the end.

3088
03:00:24,534 --> 03:00:28,256
If a lease was negotiated or an agreement came forth

3089
03:00:28,256 --> 03:00:31,295
such as fencing would be on the producer.

3090
03:00:31,295 --> 03:00:34,206
So all of the fencing costs would be on the producer.

3091
03:00:34,206 --> 03:00:36,200
And they are as something you mentioned

3092
03:00:36,200 --> 03:00:40,320
I think it's E coli through NRCs that could help the producer put

3093
03:00:40,320 --> 03:00:44,392
on fences and be able to move them at a cost share.

3094
03:00:44,392 --> 03:00:46,980
Because that is a commodity, they

3095
03:00:46,980 --> 03:00:51,106
don't want that cattle to go away.

3096
03:00:51,106 --> 03:00:54,106
There are instances Saint John's,

3097
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:56,866
there's a member representing the water

3098
03:00:56,866 --> 03:01:01,650
on our ag advisory board from Saint John's River Water

3099
03:01:01,650 --> 03:01:03,174
Management District, and she gave

3100
03:01:03,174 --> 03:01:05,986
a cost of what they charge it was around,

3101
03:01:05,986 --> 03:01:11,190
I want to say 4 to $700 per head of cattle, basically.

3102
03:01:11,190 --> 03:01:13,488
That's like the lease agreement.

3103
03:01:13,488 --> 03:01:15,760
There is another water management district

3104
03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:17,112
that charges per acre.

3105
03:01:17,112 --> 03:01:20,408
Now, of course that's like thousands of acres,

3106
03:01:20,408 --> 03:01:25,800
but, a quarterly payment to that entity would be around 17000.

3107
03:01:25,800 --> 03:01:28,200
And that's just some of the research that I looked at.

3108
03:01:28,200 --> 03:01:31,605
So, there are some ways that it could be negotiated with costs,

3109
03:01:31,605 --> 03:01:35,686
because the farmer would be there on site, there would

3110
03:01:35,686 --> 03:01:37,596
probably not be any kind of mowing,

3111
03:01:37,596 --> 03:01:41,760
because the cattle would do all of that if you will, the fencing

3112
03:01:41,760 --> 03:01:46,464
and for the waterways you can fence out or double fence,

3113
03:01:46,464 --> 03:01:49,493
put buffers, is it a save all?

3114
03:01:49,493 --> 03:01:50,520
Probably not.

3115
03:01:50,520 --> 03:01:53,800
But, is it a solution for the time being

3116
03:01:53,800 --> 03:01:56,480
that wouldn't increase bacterial loads?

3117
03:01:56,480 --> 03:01:57,700
Definitely.

3118
03:01:57,700 --> 03:01:59,773
Because that falls into BMP.

3119
03:01:59,773 --> 03:02:02,192
So it's a seesaw approach.

3120
03:02:02,192 --> 03:02:06,992
If that helps or answers your question there.

3121
03:02:07,400 --> 03:02:10,366
Kelly Martinez Semrad: It does.

3122
03:02:10,366 --> 03:02:11,949
I think this is where I am and I don't

3123
03:02:11,949 --> 03:02:11,956
know what my board members are thinking,

3124
03:02:11,956 --> 03:02:14,560
I'm still fighting, because I have a realistic fear that I

3125
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:17,260
think that the property tax reform is going to pass,

3126
03:02:17,260 --> 03:02:19,608
and that scares me, and when I think about

3127
03:02:19,608 --> 03:02:22,186
that I understand that the budget has

3128
03:02:22,186 --> 03:02:25,560
a scarce resource the scarcest resource is the cash that feeds

3129
03:02:25,560 --> 03:02:27,888
the budget when we talk about property tax reform,

3130
03:02:27,888 --> 03:02:31,220
and I think that there's opportunity and risk in programs

3131
03:02:31,220 --> 03:02:34,264
like this and the opportunity is if we talk

3132
03:02:34,264 --> 03:02:36,472
about a reduction in budget we talk about a reduction

3133
03:02:36,472 --> 03:02:37,853
in the ability to manage land.

3134
03:02:37,853 --> 03:02:41,293
And I think that this does provide then an access point

3135
03:02:41,293 --> 03:02:44,714
to help us manage our land, I hear the water quality concerns,

3136
03:02:44,714 --> 03:02:46,888
I know that they are innovative approaches,

3137
03:02:46,888 --> 03:02:50,693
I know that our cattle ranchers and our farmers

3138
03:02:50,693 --> 03:02:52,860
come I believe them to be good stewards of the land,

3139
03:02:52,860 --> 03:02:54,480
I come from an agricultural family.

3140
03:02:54,480 --> 03:02:56,666
I consider myself an environmentalist.

3141
03:02:56,666 --> 03:02:59,961
And I believe that where there is a will there is a way.

3142
03:02:59,961 --> 03:03:02,748
I think that a controlled pilot study can work,

3143
03:03:02,748 --> 03:03:04,936
but the key word is controlled.

3144
03:03:04,936 --> 03:03:09,136
And I don't like nobody here wants

3145
03:03:09,260 --> 03:03:12,440
to see water quality get worse, but I also

3146
03:03:12,440 --> 03:03:14,840
don't want to see us having to be forced by the state

3147
03:03:14,840 --> 03:03:18,280
to auction off what they consider surplus conservation

3148
03:03:18,280 --> 03:03:19,350
land either.

3149
03:03:19,350 --> 03:03:21,800
Or preservation land.

3150
03:03:21,800 --> 03:03:24,272
And that was in at the state two years ago

3151
03:03:24,272 --> 03:03:26,680
was that auctioning off of the surplus.

3152
03:03:26,680 --> 03:03:29,720
So if we're using the land, then it isn't surplus,

3153
03:03:29,720 --> 03:03:31,710
this is a way to make revenue, but I

3154
03:03:31,710 --> 03:03:33,168
do have concerns on those finances,

3155
03:03:33,168 --> 03:03:37,000
but I hear Kevin that there are opportunities.

3156
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:41,146
And I want to also emphasize, this is not a program

3157
03:03:41,146 --> 03:03:46,446
that anybody is asking to use on 100% of Green Place Lane.

3158
03:03:46,446 --> 03:03:48,866
So come you know come again, I believe

3159
03:03:48,866 --> 03:03:50,533
that where there's a will there's a way,

3160
03:03:50,533 --> 03:03:53,256
and I think that we can still restore green place

3161
03:03:53,256 --> 03:03:58,384
land while also using it in the form of grazing land.

3162
03:03:58,384 --> 03:04:03,752
So I would support it but I do have a concern on this finances,

3163
03:04:03,752 --> 03:04:06,237
and today my vote I'm not going to vote on something that I

3164
03:04:06,237 --> 03:04:08,380
don't understand finances on.

3165
03:04:08,380 --> 03:04:10,184
That's my simple rule of thumb.

3166
03:04:10,184 --> 03:04:10,975
I just want.

3167
03:04:10,975 --> 03:04:13,460
And I don't clearly have an understanding of the finances

3168
03:04:13,460 --> 03:04:17,326
and how we prevent a funding gap of seven years.

3169
03:04:17,326 --> 03:04:19,000
So that's where my big concern is.

3170
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:21,000
Thank you.

3171
03:04:21,680 --> 03:04:24,586
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

3172
03:04:24,586 --> 03:04:26,211
We do have another item this morning so

3173
03:04:26,211 --> 03:04:28,419
let me see if we can't get a reading from the members

3174
03:04:28,419 --> 03:04:30,425
of the board whether to proceed, with

3175
03:04:30,425 --> 03:04:34,600
some additional due diligence for a decision

3176
03:04:34,600 --> 03:04:35,350
to come at a later date.

3177
03:04:35,350 --> 03:04:40,750
Clearly I think I know where Commissioner Wilson is.

3178
03:04:41,440 --> 03:04:46,420
Nicole H. Wilson: Yeah if I could, just to reiterate,

3179
03:04:46,420 --> 03:04:48,920
the boil down for me is that we are altering a land use that

3180
03:04:48,920 --> 03:04:52,453
was promised to our environmental community

3181
03:04:52,453 --> 03:04:57,757
and it's not surplus land, this is deeded to Orange County.

3182
03:04:57,757 --> 03:04:59,424
So it's very different than the examples

3183
03:04:59,424 --> 03:05:01,591
that I think you're referring to in the legislature.

3184
03:05:01,591 --> 03:05:04,504
These were deeded Orange County Green Place properties

3185
03:05:04,504 --> 03:05:08,712
for the purpose of ecosystem services, in perpetuity,

3186
03:05:08,712 --> 03:05:12,152
so if we break into that today, if we crack into that today

3187
03:05:12,152 --> 03:05:14,706
and change this land use, we are doing exactly what

3188
03:05:14,706 --> 03:05:16,456
we have come to that counter up there

3189
03:05:16,456 --> 03:05:18,160
and argued against for years and years.

3190
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:21,764
And that is ultimately why I am a no.

3191
03:05:21,764 --> 03:05:24,888
I will say, I believe there is a path forward

3192
03:05:24,888 --> 03:05:26,800
in a separate program.

3193
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:28,488
I want to get with the advisory board

3194
03:05:28,488 --> 03:05:31,310
to talk about that, because there are many funding

3195
03:05:31,310 --> 03:05:31,820
mechanisms.

3196
03:05:31,820 --> 03:05:35,720
These are funding mechanisms where the landholders still

3197
03:05:35,720 --> 03:05:37,240
own their land.

3198
03:05:37,240 --> 03:05:39,920
And they alleviate part of the cost

3199
03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:41,750
by getting an easement over it.

3200
03:05:41,750 --> 03:05:44,351
That is not what we're talking about in this pilot.

3201
03:05:44,351 --> 03:05:47,520
So there are options to move forward, this is not it.

3202
03:05:47,520 --> 03:05:49,520
No.

3203
03:05:49,880 --> 03:05:52,280
Jerry L. Demings: Okay.

3204
03:05:53,262 --> 03:05:54,956
We can read that.

3205
03:05:54,956 --> 03:05:56,956
Commissioner?

3206
03:05:57,608 --> 03:06:00,250
Mayra Uribe: I wanted to ask some questions, are you sure?

3207
03:06:00,250 --> 03:06:00,530
Am I up?

3208
03:06:00,530 --> 03:06:01,330
Fantastic.

3209
03:06:01,330 --> 03:06:03,260
There's a concern that Commissioner Wilson

3210
03:06:03,260 --> 03:06:07,460
said it didn't seem well that this

3211
03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:11,786
has elevated so quickly without our input before today.

3212
03:06:11,786 --> 03:06:15,816
I think we have had discussions with folks in agriculture come

3213
03:06:15,816 --> 03:06:19,750
and we've had discussions about this along the way,

3214
03:06:19,750 --> 03:06:21,680
but I would have expected more of a transparent process

3215
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:24,154
with us included when we got here.

3216
03:06:24,154 --> 03:06:28,480
I see both sides of this, but I am super super

3217
03:06:28,480 --> 03:06:30,880
concerned about the cost.

3218
03:06:31,720 --> 03:06:33,593
And I am very concerned that this is being brought

3219
03:06:33,593 --> 03:06:35,457
on us right now as a cost.

3220
03:06:35,457 --> 03:06:37,853
So we're trying to we're supposed to be giving you

3221
03:06:37,853 --> 03:06:39,728
guys direction but I don't think we're really

3222
03:06:39,728 --> 03:06:43,400
at the inception of what we wanted to frame to see this.

3223
03:06:43,400 --> 03:06:46,560
I do believe there is technology that

3224
03:06:46,560 --> 03:06:48,874
could have helped the water, but none of us

3225
03:06:48,874 --> 03:06:53,674
will be here in eight years you know?

3226
03:06:53,960 --> 03:06:57,148
And I just want to know like will the board take it

3227
03:06:57,148 --> 03:07:00,304
as an opportunity and how impactful and important that is?

3228
03:07:00,304 --> 03:07:07,504
But, I'm not a no because I don't think this is good,

3229
03:07:10,462 --> 03:07:12,640
but I just am a no because I don't feel comfortable

3230
03:07:12,640 --> 03:07:15,475
making that decision without all of the knowledge of the good

3231
03:07:15,475 --> 03:07:17,600
and the bad and you know you're discussing the cost

3232
03:07:17,600 --> 03:07:20,213
and we all know that that's overbearing,

3233
03:07:20,213 --> 03:07:21,880
and did we hear about the water quality?

3234
03:07:21,880 --> 03:07:25,620
I do trust agriculture it was here before we got here,

3235
03:07:25,620 --> 03:07:29,275
so there's a lot more of that before we actually got involved.

3236
03:07:29,275 --> 03:07:32,224
But when it pertains to this, and actually

3237
03:07:32,224 --> 03:07:34,680
any kind of wetland impact and stuff like that,

3238
03:07:34,680 --> 03:07:38,680
just having that full depth of knowledge is very concerning.

3239
03:07:38,680 --> 03:07:41,640
But, ultimately I do want to take a pause,

3240
03:07:41,640 --> 03:07:44,120
I do not feel comfortable moving forward.

3241
03:07:44,120 --> 03:07:46,120
Thank you.

3242
03:07:48,280 --> 03:07:53,800
Jerry L. Demings: All right Commissioner Gomes Cordeiro.

3243
03:07:53,188 --> 03:07:56,123
Maribel Gomez Cordero: Thank you.

3244
03:07:56,123 --> 03:07:58,400
I'm very concerned about the finances as well.

3245
03:07:58,400 --> 03:08:02,460
I think based on what Commissioner Wilson said

3246
03:08:02,460 --> 03:08:04,495
a tentative or any other way I would

3247
03:08:04,495 --> 03:08:05,728
like to explore that as well.

3248
03:08:05,728 --> 03:08:08,128
So, I don't --

3249
03:08:10,360 --> 03:08:12,760
Jerry L. Demings: Okay.

3250
03:08:15,715 --> 03:08:17,840
Commissioner I think we know where you are on this?

3251
03:08:17,840 --> 03:08:21,403
Kelly Martinez Semrad: I would ask

3252
03:08:21,403 --> 03:08:23,653
that we move this to another day with full information

3253
03:08:23,653 --> 03:08:23,970
on finances so we can understand the full financial picture

3254
03:08:23,970 --> 03:08:26,595
that this paints, Commissioner Wilson I hear what you're saying

3255
03:08:26,595 --> 03:08:28,960
regarding the rezoning and stating on that podium,

3256
03:08:28,960 --> 03:08:31,320
because I have been there hundreds of times.

3257
03:08:31,320 --> 03:08:35,520
And you're right, advocating for zoning changes.

3258
03:08:36,506 --> 03:08:42,800
But, we got a toll road running through solid oak forest that

3259
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:43,704
was promised to the people, it's not

3260
03:08:43,704 --> 03:08:45,621
a different issue coming because it's publicly

3261
03:08:45,621 --> 03:08:47,906
owned land it was left to the people in perpetuity

3262
03:08:47,906 --> 03:08:49,430
with taxpayer money.

3263
03:08:49,430 --> 03:08:49,970
Excuse me.

3264
03:08:49,970 --> 03:08:51,176
I have the mic.

3265
03:08:51,176 --> 03:08:53,120
So it's not separate.

3266
03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:55,720
Then we've got Eagles roost, that's directly attached to it

3267
03:08:55,720 --> 03:08:57,303
and then we've got another green place

3268
03:08:57,303 --> 03:09:01,503
land that is mid mitigated mitigated land.

3269
03:09:01,540 --> 03:09:04,164
So we have these issues all the time here

3270
03:09:04,164 --> 03:09:07,314
so we're purchasing the land, and if we

3271
03:09:07,314 --> 03:09:10,920
can later this afternoon talk about letting people opt out

3272
03:09:10,920 --> 03:09:16,920
of vision 2050 our land use Nicole H. Wilson: That's not

3273
03:09:22,837 --> 03:09:26,709
what we're talking about right Kelly Martinez Semrad:

3274
03:09:26,709 --> 03:09:26,722
It is to the taxpayers because if we can have somebody opt out

3275
03:09:26,722 --> 03:09:26,733
to our comprehensive land use plan to use the old version

3276
03:09:26,733 --> 03:09:28,733
but we're going to come in here and tell farmers

3277
03:09:28,733 --> 03:09:31,808
that we can't find a way that while we actively don't have

3278
03:09:31,808 --> 03:09:35,182
money to restore this property, that we are not going to use it?

3279
03:09:35,182 --> 03:09:37,509
And if you look at CFX 2025 by the way

3280
03:09:37,509 --> 03:09:39,176
they've got a road running through this.

3281
03:09:39,176 --> 03:09:42,776
So I'd rather use the land to help our farmers

3282
03:09:42,776 --> 03:09:48,000
in our cattlemen while we get our finances in order

3283
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:50,432
but in order to do that I got to understand

3284
03:09:50,432 --> 03:09:53,930
our finances to understand how we're impacting taxpayers

3285
03:09:53,930 --> 03:09:56,400
so while these issues may seem separate to us

3286
03:09:56,400 --> 03:09:57,904
because we understand the different pots

3287
03:09:57,904 --> 03:10:01,120
and how these things work, to taxpayers it's

3288
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:03,520
convoluted on the surface.

3289
03:10:04,400 --> 03:10:07,840
So I think where there's a will there's a way

3290
03:10:07,840 --> 03:10:09,920
and this program could be successful.

3291
03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:11,920
Thank you.

3292
03:10:13,400 --> 03:10:16,400
Jerry L. Demings: Commissioner Scott?

3293
03:10:19,310 --> 03:10:21,560
Michael “Mike” Scott: I've kind of been teetering back

3294
03:10:21,560 --> 03:10:22,200
and forth.

3295
03:10:22,200 --> 03:10:26,280
But I would like to see and Commissioner Wilson

3296
03:10:26,280 --> 03:10:27,864
if you don't have any objection is

3297
03:10:27,864 --> 03:10:31,192
that the staff has done some pretty significant work

3298
03:10:31,192 --> 03:10:34,192
and put time on this.

3299
03:10:34,280 --> 03:10:36,906
So I think from a board direction standpoint

3300
03:10:36,906 --> 03:10:39,900
if we could allow them to talk with your team come

3301
03:10:39,900 --> 03:10:43,520
and talk with some others and present some additional options,

3302
03:10:43,520 --> 03:10:45,960
and then we can revisit the conversation.

3303
03:10:45,960 --> 03:10:49,717
Because by nature the very definition of a pilot is to try.

3304
03:10:49,717 --> 03:10:51,592
Understand what Saying we're changing the use

3305
03:10:51,592 --> 03:10:54,592
but we're just trying something.

3306
03:10:54,880 --> 03:10:57,280
Nicole H. Wilson: Know.

3307
03:10:59,454 --> 03:11:01,371
It will change the use so I opposed the change

3308
03:11:01,371 --> 03:11:01,378
use for Greenpeace for any other use.

3309
03:11:01,378 --> 03:11:01,851
And that's going to be where I land.

3310
03:11:01,851 --> 03:11:04,720
I'm a no to busting into our Conservation Lands program

3311
03:11:04,720 --> 03:11:06,720
period.

3312
03:11:07,480 --> 03:11:11,800
Michael “Mike” Scott: I got you.

3313
03:11:13,154 --> 03:11:13,654
I got you.

3314
03:11:13,654 --> 03:11:16,683
Jerry L. Demings: Look what we don't have is any consensus

3315
03:11:16,683 --> 03:11:17,475
to move it forward.

3316
03:11:17,475 --> 03:11:20,577
Towards going to the next step you know?

3317
03:11:20,577 --> 03:11:23,577
To make this a policy.

3318
03:11:24,400 --> 03:11:28,600
But, perhaps there may be some consensus

3319
03:11:31,250 --> 03:11:36,500
to do some additional research and gather data,

3320
03:11:38,724 --> 03:11:44,440
this is a little troubling to me that even out of the Greenspace

3321
03:11:44,440 --> 03:11:46,440
Advisory board.

3322
03:11:46,440 --> 03:11:47,986
Let me finish.

3323
03:11:47,986 --> 03:11:48,806
Let me finish.

3324
03:11:48,806 --> 03:11:51,206
Let me just finish.

3325
03:11:51,760 --> 03:11:56,440
I think that that it's problematic because the Green

3326
03:11:56,440 --> 03:12:01,153
Place Advisory Committee they didn't even clearly advance this

3327
03:12:01,153 --> 03:12:01,653
forward.

3328
03:12:01,653 --> 03:12:07,980
And so I think there is some need for more discussion there.

3329
03:12:07,980 --> 03:12:08,580
You know?

3330
03:12:08,580 --> 03:12:13,820
Out of that seven member body, they are citizens.

3331
03:12:13,820 --> 03:12:16,208
That's the citizen advisory board.

3332
03:12:16,208 --> 03:12:21,640
And we didn't get a good read in from them.

3333
03:12:21,640 --> 03:12:29,396
And then also, when we look at this desire to get to the point

3334
03:12:29,396 --> 03:12:31,843
you have to have a supermajority.

3335
03:12:31,843 --> 03:12:33,360
We're not gonna get there.

3336
03:12:33,360 --> 03:12:35,760
Not at this point.

3337
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:40,210
So I know that the board is going

3338
03:12:40,210 --> 03:12:43,776
to significantly change here in just a matter of months.

3339
03:12:43,776 --> 03:12:46,797
Our staff come we've got a number of issues

3340
03:12:46,797 --> 03:12:49,560
that we're going to have to bring before this board.

3341
03:12:49,560 --> 03:12:51,960
During this budget cycle.

3342
03:12:53,640 --> 03:12:59,880
We don't have time to waste if you will to manage our board

3343
03:12:59,880 --> 03:13:05,260
meetings so, if we're not giving staff some clear direction,

3344
03:13:05,260 --> 03:13:09,313
today, then staff is all over the place.

3345
03:13:09,313 --> 03:13:10,160
Okay?

3346
03:13:10,160 --> 03:13:15,460
So I don't see, I don't hear clear direction to staff.

3347
03:13:15,460 --> 03:13:19,603
I hear politics entering into it you

3348
03:13:19,603 --> 03:13:22,670
know I'm not really ready to make a decision today,

3349
03:13:22,670 --> 03:13:26,368
but, that doesn't give staff the direction

3350
03:13:26,368 --> 03:13:29,651
that they need to either go back and do research or not.

3351
03:13:29,651 --> 03:13:33,180
So this is not ready for this board

3352
03:13:33,180 --> 03:13:35,640
to make a decision on today.

3353
03:13:35,640 --> 03:13:38,573
And quite frankly, I don't think that it's

3354
03:13:38,573 --> 03:13:41,393
going to be ready for this board to make

3355
03:13:41,393 --> 03:13:45,593
a decision anytime before several of us

3356
03:13:46,480 --> 03:13:47,920
are going to leave the board.

3357
03:13:47,920 --> 03:13:52,100
This isn't going to come back before November.

3358
03:13:52,100 --> 03:13:54,100
Or December.

3359
03:13:54,760 --> 03:13:56,165
Am I right?

3360
03:13:56,165 --> 03:13:59,765
I don't see that coming back.

3361
03:14:00,600 --> 03:14:01,200
>> Correct.

3362
03:14:01,200 --> 03:14:03,173
In part because I don't know what more

3363
03:14:03,173 --> 03:14:08,920
we can actually provide that would be a deciding factor.

3364
03:14:08,920 --> 03:14:11,320
Jerry L. Demings: Okay.

3365
03:14:14,152 --> 03:14:15,735
So this isn't coming back for a while.

3366
03:14:15,735 --> 03:14:18,680
You know Commissioner Wilson come you and Commissioner Simran

3367
03:14:18,680 --> 03:14:21,800
and probably Commissioner Scott?

3368
03:14:21,560 --> 03:14:26,740
You all are going to have to take the lead on if you want

3369
03:14:26,740 --> 03:14:32,800
this to come back at some point I'm just telling you,

3370
03:14:32,800 --> 03:14:35,918
we don't have everything to wrestle with all of the issues

3371
03:14:35,918 --> 03:14:37,293
that we have to wrestle with that

3372
03:14:37,293 --> 03:14:38,472
are going to come before this board

3373
03:14:38,472 --> 03:14:39,597
within the next few months.

3374
03:14:39,597 --> 03:14:42,760
It's just not going to happen.

3375
03:14:42,760 --> 03:14:46,749
Nicole H. Wilson: I'm going to ask my team

3376
03:14:46,749 --> 03:14:48,541
to set up a meeting with the advisory board

3377
03:14:48,541 --> 03:14:49,916
to set up other ideas that's what

3378
03:14:49,916 --> 03:14:55,776
I'm going to do for my office and I want to work with them.

3379
03:14:55,776 --> 03:14:57,234
Kelly Martinez Semrad: Commissioner

3380
03:14:57,234 --> 03:14:58,359
we can do that at sunshine.

3381
03:14:58,359 --> 03:15:00,993
Jerry L. Demings: I think the advisory board and the board

3382
03:15:00,993 --> 03:15:01,150
this is where you got to get a better reading coming

3383
03:15:01,150 --> 03:15:02,960
from those citizen advisory boards.

3384
03:15:02,960 --> 03:15:05,144
In order to kind of get to the point

3385
03:15:05,144 --> 03:15:07,800
where the board of County commissioners

3386
03:15:07,800 --> 03:15:09,365
can have a meaningful conversation.

3387
03:15:09,365 --> 03:15:12,965
And we're just not ready today.

3388
03:15:13,360 --> 03:15:16,696
So, we are going to table this for further direction

3389
03:15:16,696 --> 03:15:17,780
in the future.

3390
03:15:17,780 --> 03:15:23,800
That's the board direction you're going to have for now.

3391
03:15:23,800 --> 03:15:25,594
And we are going to move on to our agenda

3392
03:15:25,594 --> 03:15:28,400
and try to get this in.

3393
03:15:28,400 --> 03:15:30,400
Jason?

3394
03:15:31,413 --> 03:15:33,413
>> Good morning mayor.

3395
03:15:34,600 --> 03:15:38,552
Jerry L. Demings: How long are you

3396
03:15:38,552 --> 03:15:39,760
going to need for this Jason?

3397
03:15:39,760 --> 03:15:40,360
Can you get this done by 1:00?

3398
03:15:40,360 --> 03:15:43,140
>> I can present in that time the discussion is what I

3399
03:15:43,140 --> 03:15:44,160
can't control.

3400
03:15:44,160 --> 03:15:48,543
Jerry L. Demings: All right Jason you're up.

3401
03:15:48,543 --> 03:15:50,668
>> Good morning mayor and commissioners coming this

3402
03:15:50,668 --> 03:15:50,908
morning I'm bringing you our afternoon.

3403
03:15:50,908 --> 03:15:53,753
Sorry I'm bringing you an update about the Timberlake

3404
03:15:53,753 --> 03:15:54,346
Condominiums.

3405
03:15:54,346 --> 03:16:00,162
I will be joined by Yvette for a piece of this presentation.

3406
03:16:00,162 --> 03:16:02,688
So there are some key terms that I would like everyone

3407
03:16:02,688 --> 03:16:04,805
to be familiar with to make sure that we are

3408
03:16:04,805 --> 03:16:08,112
on the same page going forward, timber scan on the lake which

3409
03:16:08,112 --> 03:16:12,360
is also referred to as timber scan also the property complex

3410
03:16:12,360 --> 03:16:16,240
neighborhood, the condo units or the residential units in timber!

3411
03:16:16,240 --> 03:16:19,960
The building is a group of condo units,

3412
03:16:19,960 --> 03:16:22,408
the condominium or the condo was a type of ownership

3413
03:16:22,408 --> 03:16:25,400
in which individuals owned separate units,

3414
03:16:25,400 --> 03:16:27,586
and then they share ownership responsibility

3415
03:16:27,586 --> 03:16:31,200
of the common areas, so think the hallways, the exterior,

3416
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:33,160
parking areas etc.

3417
03:16:33,160 --> 03:16:37,986
That is a type of ownership of a mandatory HOA.

3418
03:16:37,986 --> 03:16:39,674
And you have the condo association

3419
03:16:39,674 --> 03:16:41,693
which is the govern the condo units

3420
03:16:41,693 --> 03:16:44,660
and maintain the shared areas, and then the declarations,

3421
03:16:44,660 --> 03:16:46,880
those are the legal documents outlining the ownership

3422
03:16:46,880 --> 03:16:48,800
structure and the rights.

3423
03:16:48,800 --> 03:16:52,360
Think of it as a charter or guiding document for the condos.

3424
03:16:52,360 --> 03:16:54,456
Timber scan as we know is plagued

3425
03:16:54,456 --> 03:16:57,500
by public safety concerns and residents living unsafe

3426
03:16:57,500 --> 03:16:59,670
and in precarious conditions.

3427
03:16:59,670 --> 03:17:03,597
Many of the buildings are or most of the buildings

3428
03:17:03,597 --> 03:17:05,930
are demolished, those that are standing are dilapidated,

3429
03:17:05,930 --> 03:17:08,600
there are condo units without walls

3430
03:17:08,600 --> 03:17:11,426
that have people living in them, the county

3431
03:17:11,426 --> 03:17:13,748
owns 38% of those condo units and most of those

3432
03:17:13,748 --> 03:17:14,653
have been demolished.

3433
03:17:14,653 --> 03:17:17,960
There are unmaintained fire hydrants and tremendous amount

3434
03:17:17,960 --> 03:17:19,240
of dumping.

3435
03:17:19,240 --> 03:17:23,400
To address these long term concerns the county proposes

3436
03:17:23,400 --> 03:17:27,656
several solutions which we are bringing forth today

3437
03:17:27,656 --> 03:17:29,890
the first is to terminate the condominiums,

3438
03:17:29,890 --> 03:17:32,280
so the property can be sold.

3439
03:17:32,280 --> 03:17:35,904
Second is to utilize a third party to manage that sale,

3440
03:17:35,904 --> 03:17:38,933
and then importantly to offer services to the residents who

3441
03:17:38,933 --> 03:17:40,400
are being impacted.

3442
03:17:40,400 --> 03:17:43,624
So, this is the third time you would

3443
03:17:43,624 --> 03:17:46,700
have heard this presentation about timber scan,

3444
03:17:46,700 --> 03:17:50,560
I've just addressed this board in January of last year,

3445
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:52,768
which at that time I was really introducing

3446
03:17:52,768 --> 03:17:57,225
a grand scale of timber scan and all of what's going on there.

3447
03:17:57,225 --> 03:17:59,400
Talked about the history and the conditions

3448
03:17:59,400 --> 03:18:03,900
I talked about the resources and I proposed a solution.

3449
03:18:03,900 --> 03:18:05,560
There was no action taken at the time,

3450
03:18:05,560 --> 03:18:07,602
the board wanted staff to meet with the community

3451
03:18:07,602 --> 03:18:10,760
and bring it back for another update that happened in March,

3452
03:18:10,760 --> 03:18:14,730
of which we then detailed engaging with the residents

3453
03:18:14,730 --> 03:18:16,872
and stakeholders and provided more updates,

3454
03:18:16,872 --> 03:18:19,560
I mean at that time we proposed next steps without necessarily

3455
03:18:19,560 --> 03:18:22,960
requiring an action and no action was taken then either.

3456
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:26,560
So, following those BCC meeting staff

3457
03:18:28,704 --> 03:18:31,920
reviewed the condos and documented and documented

3458
03:18:31,920 --> 03:18:35,640
records, retained an attorney to view long term options,

3459
03:18:35,640 --> 03:18:37,900
and continue to monitor activities in timber

3460
03:18:37,900 --> 03:18:39,860
scan title searches are being conducted

3461
03:18:39,860 --> 03:18:42,588
on all of the condo units.

3462
03:18:42,588 --> 03:18:45,546
We continue to engage with residents and stakeholders

3463
03:18:45,546 --> 03:18:48,220
there, and of course resident response inquiries.

3464
03:18:48,220 --> 03:18:51,000
Today's presentation is going to provide a brief history

3465
03:18:51,000 --> 03:18:55,523
realizing you all are familiar with the conditions

3466
03:18:55,523 --> 03:18:58,130
and present the legal review of the options which

3467
03:18:58,130 --> 03:19:00,536
is those are new, the services for the residents

3468
03:19:00,536 --> 03:19:04,340
will be presented by Reyes, we will discuss communication plan

3469
03:19:04,340 --> 03:19:05,400
and any updates.

3470
03:19:05,400 --> 03:19:08,110
We are not requesting an action from you this afternoon,

3471
03:19:08,110 --> 03:19:12,320
we are simply seeking direction about the issue and the plan.

3472
03:19:12,320 --> 03:19:14,190
So this is our outline of which I

3473
03:19:14,190 --> 03:19:17,552
will start with the history and existing conditions and timber

3474
03:19:17,552 --> 03:19:18,520
scan.

3475
03:19:18,520 --> 03:19:22,860
Built in the 1970s, timber scan was at that time luxurious condo

3476
03:19:22,860 --> 03:19:25,260
a luxurious condominium complex.

3477
03:19:25,420 --> 03:19:27,720
Many of the young professionals who

3478
03:19:27,720 --> 03:19:31,120
could afford it lived at this complex, it was on the water,

3479
03:19:31,120 --> 03:19:35,200
close to downtown, was 321 units, they do have,

3480
03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:38,200
it was built with a master condo association which

3481
03:19:38,200 --> 03:19:41,120
collects the dues to maintain the property.

3482
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:43,376
Think of all the regular day to day maintenance

3483
03:19:43,376 --> 03:19:47,530
that you have on the condominium complex of this side

3484
03:19:47,530 --> 03:19:51,100
the size maintaining the exterior, cutting the grass,

3485
03:19:51,100 --> 03:19:54,000
servicing the fire hydrants and maintaining the amenities

3486
03:19:54,000 --> 03:19:55,503
and things like that.

3487
03:19:55,503 --> 03:19:59,800
There are four separate condo associations in timber scan

3488
03:19:59,800 --> 03:20:02,440
which makes things a little bit more difficult and complicated.

3489
03:20:02,440 --> 03:20:06,400
Three of those associations are inactive,

3490
03:20:07,520 --> 03:20:10,640
they have not been dissolved, but there's no leadership

3491
03:20:10,640 --> 03:20:14,250
anymore and their staff members and residents are actively

3492
03:20:14,250 --> 03:20:16,360
working with that section you heard

3493
03:20:16,360 --> 03:20:19,800
from some of those residents this morning.

3494
03:20:19,800 --> 03:20:23,360
The decline of timber scan started in the 90s really with

3495
03:20:23,360 --> 03:20:27,100
mismanagement of funds and poor administration of those condo

3496
03:20:27,100 --> 03:20:27,580
associations.

3497
03:20:27,580 --> 03:20:30,280
Again the condo associations they

3498
03:20:30,280 --> 03:20:33,286
are required to collect dues to make the day to day improvements

3499
03:20:33,286 --> 03:20:35,192
and maintenance of that property.

3500
03:20:35,192 --> 03:20:38,600
At some point the dues collecting became inconsistent

3501
03:20:38,600 --> 03:20:41,160
and did not happen on a regular basis,

3502
03:20:41,160 --> 03:20:44,660
this resulted in water service almost being disconnected.

3503
03:20:44,660 --> 03:20:47,660
Again, that condo association they

3504
03:20:51,953 --> 03:20:57,000
were used to pay the water among other utilities.

3505
03:20:57,000 --> 03:21:01,800
Buildings became damaged, the state of central Florida

3506
03:21:03,912 --> 03:21:07,280
it took time for people to build their homes,

3507
03:21:07,280 --> 03:21:10,680
but in a condo association the dues

3508
03:21:10,680 --> 03:21:12,880
and the recent funding that they raised

3509
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:15,200
was meant to address the damaged structures

3510
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:19,248
and that did not occur the instructors you

3511
03:21:19,248 --> 03:21:21,200
can see before you damaged in the hurricane,

3512
03:21:21,200 --> 03:21:24,800
damage in those hurricanes which could not be built,

3513
03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:29,600
which could not be the foreclosure crisis very

3514
03:21:30,280 --> 03:21:33,280
detrimental very difficult in regards

3515
03:21:33,992 --> 03:21:37,592
so you have now dilapidated structures

3516
03:21:38,200 --> 03:21:41,800
combined with people in 2019 the residents

3517
03:21:45,304 --> 03:21:48,904
did attempt to initiate receivership that

3518
03:21:53,586 --> 03:21:55,420
was ultimately unsuccessful.

3519
03:21:55,420 --> 03:22:02,620
So now we are up into majority you see where dilapidated you

3520
03:22:07,490 --> 03:22:10,262
see pictures here there were fires, people when you

3521
03:22:10,262 --> 03:22:13,586
have vacant units we know that people

3522
03:22:13,586 --> 03:22:16,586
try to inhabit those units.

3523
03:22:18,120 --> 03:22:21,780
They would use cooking materials or whatever

3524
03:22:21,780 --> 03:22:26,192
and those fires burned and they lost structures

3525
03:22:26,192 --> 03:22:29,370
some spread to other units, there were serious public safety

3526
03:22:29,370 --> 03:22:32,846
concerns in timber scan mainly because a lot of people

3527
03:22:32,846 --> 03:22:36,000
left, there were available opportunities for people

3528
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:39,806
for deviance, and not only did deviance stay in timber scan

3529
03:22:39,806 --> 03:22:42,200
but it also spread to neighboring communities.

3530
03:22:42,200 --> 03:22:44,292
Again I mentioned people lost their homes

3531
03:22:44,292 --> 03:22:47,280
or left, which presented an opportunity for people to squat

3532
03:22:47,280 --> 03:22:48,184
in those units.

3533
03:22:48,184 --> 03:22:51,845
There was dumping, HOA dues weren't collected,

3534
03:22:51,845 --> 03:22:57,432
water bills were not being paid nor was trash collection.

3535
03:22:57,432 --> 03:23:00,461
So that left just a very disheartening

3536
03:23:00,461 --> 03:23:03,860
come a very discouraging come a very difficult place for people

3537
03:23:03,860 --> 03:23:06,680
to live and place for people to conduct their lives.

3538
03:23:06,680 --> 03:23:12,680
This then culminated in 2014 where the water bill was not

3539
03:23:12,720 --> 03:23:14,595
being paid to ou c.

3540
03:23:14,595 --> 03:23:18,698
O you see started the process of disconnecting the water as they

3541
03:23:18,698 --> 03:23:20,573
would do with the traditional account,

3542
03:23:20,573 --> 03:23:22,981
but it was so far behind.

3543
03:23:22,981 --> 03:23:27,652
The residents came to the BCC made an appeal for assistance,

3544
03:23:27,652 --> 03:23:30,533
at that time after some meetings and discussions,

3545
03:23:30,533 --> 03:23:35,220
the disconnection was delayed and eventually not done,

3546
03:23:35,220 --> 03:23:37,600
and eventually the county started

3547
03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:40,960
to lean in and get involved in some of the operations

3548
03:23:40,960 --> 03:23:43,960
at Timber Scan and realized just how dire the conditions were.

3549
03:23:43,960 --> 03:23:46,960
That involved providing social services,

3550
03:23:47,506 --> 03:23:51,724
and approved infrastructure which we will get into shortly.

3551
03:23:51,724 --> 03:23:56,240
And again, Orange County saw the dire need, saw the destruction,

3552
03:23:56,240 --> 03:23:59,648
saw the public safety, life safety, and other issues

3553
03:23:59,648 --> 03:24:02,940
in timber scan and decided intervention was best.

3554
03:24:02,940 --> 03:24:07,766
The county has invested about $3.5 million most of that has

3555
03:24:07,766 --> 03:24:10,653
gone towards demolishing unsafe structures,

3556
03:24:10,653 --> 03:24:14,333
social services were offered at that time with relocation

3557
03:24:14,333 --> 03:24:16,733
systems, county secured buildings,

3558
03:24:17,933 --> 03:24:20,933
repaired water and wastewater systems,

3559
03:24:21,320 --> 03:24:26,720
repaid storm drains and pave outs and had about $40,000

3560
03:24:27,660 --> 03:24:28,912
of wastewater fees fees.

3561
03:24:28,912 --> 03:24:31,920
But I want to emphasize most of these infrastructure

3562
03:24:31,920 --> 03:24:36,720
improvements were the result of the condo association.

3563
03:24:38,608 --> 03:24:41,280
They weren't able to so the county then made

3564
03:24:41,280 --> 03:24:46,800
an extraordinary decision to address the concerns their.

3565
03:24:47,920 --> 03:24:52,146
What we see now is things are a bit more quiet,

3566
03:24:52,146 --> 03:24:54,910
but it's still not a place where someone would necessarily

3567
03:24:54,910 --> 03:24:57,136
want to live as evidenced by the two residents who

3568
03:24:57,136 --> 03:25:00,220
came this morning who were asking for an opportunity

3569
03:25:00,220 --> 03:25:01,942
to lead leave.

3570
03:25:01,942 --> 03:25:03,400
Again the buildings are demolished,

3571
03:25:03,400 --> 03:25:05,520
the existing buildings are unsafe,

3572
03:25:05,520 --> 03:25:08,520
dilapidated, fire hydrants are unmaintained,

3573
03:25:09,390 --> 03:25:12,200
the county owns 123 condo units which

3574
03:25:12,200 --> 03:25:14,640
I will talk about a little bit later,

3575
03:25:14,640 --> 03:25:18,600
there are units without water and people are living in them.

3576
03:25:18,600 --> 03:25:21,000
Dumping is still there.

3577
03:26:55,908 --> 03:26:59,508
All of them approximately 84% was demolished.

3578
03:27:00,108 --> 03:27:04,708
So, this is a visualization of the demolished demolitions that

3579
03:27:04,708 --> 03:27:07,418
occurred, each of those little rectangles

3580
03:27:07,418 --> 03:27:13,436
represents what was a building and a group of condo units

3581
03:27:13,436 --> 03:27:15,148
a building in temper scan.

3582
03:27:15,148 --> 03:27:17,468
What was replaced by the red rectangles

3583
03:27:17,468 --> 03:27:20,400
is all the buildings that were demolished.

3584
03:27:20,400 --> 03:27:26,304
As you can see here, there are eight buildings still standing.

3585
03:27:26,304 --> 03:27:28,521
The buildings that are the yellow rectangle buildings

3586
03:27:28,521 --> 03:27:33,494
are somewhat in the cluster, I guess to my right

3587
03:27:33,494 --> 03:27:35,772
or we'll say in the eastern part of the map,

3588
03:27:35,772 --> 03:27:38,930
those are all section two, the one in the back closest

3589
03:27:38,930 --> 03:27:43,628
to the lake has a building that does not have water service.

3590
03:27:43,628 --> 03:27:47,388
So, again there are eight buildings standing,

3591
03:27:47,388 --> 03:27:52,852
56 units, two of those are owned by the county, of those 50

3592
03:27:52,852 --> 03:27:58,548
it's about 54, they maintain the hope of exemption as of 2026.

3593
03:27:58,548 --> 03:28:00,840
I mentioned earlier that the county

3594
03:28:00,840 --> 03:28:03,840
owns 123 units about 38% of temper

3595
03:28:04,388 --> 03:28:08,268
scan those were not the county acquiring those through the tax

3596
03:28:08,268 --> 03:28:10,628
process those properties come most of them

3597
03:28:10,628 --> 03:28:14,828
demolished so air acceded to the county.

3598
03:28:14,868 --> 03:28:16,780
Again 2021 of those are demolished

3599
03:28:16,780 --> 03:28:18,388
and two are still standing.

3600
03:28:18,388 --> 03:28:22,588
So in summary, temper scan is plagued

3601
03:28:22,788 --> 03:28:27,134
by public safety concerns and residents and unsafe conditions.

3602
03:28:27,134 --> 03:28:29,534
The dilapidated buildings presented

3603
03:28:30,410 --> 03:28:34,108
and present public safety and resident safety.

3604
03:28:34,108 --> 03:28:38,308
The county did pursue demolition and demolish

3605
03:28:38,756 --> 03:28:43,556
41 of the 48 buildings in their 56 buildings still remaining.

3606
03:28:43,868 --> 03:28:48,680
There are still unaddressed life safety --

3607
03:28:50,244 --> 03:28:53,660
the county owns 123 units through the taxi process,

3608
03:28:53,660 --> 03:28:56,604
four condo units have a home extension,

3609
03:28:56,604 --> 03:29:01,404
and then the county again is $3.5 million invested

3610
03:29:01,934 --> 03:29:03,788
in the county to stabilize the conditions.

3611
03:29:03,788 --> 03:29:06,758
So in regards, this session we'll

3612
03:29:06,758 --> 03:29:10,244
be new to the listening audience about the options

3613
03:29:10,244 --> 03:29:15,548
again the county proposes a long term solution to the conditions.

3614
03:29:15,548 --> 03:29:19,188
I'd like to terminate the condos utilize the third party

3615
03:29:19,188 --> 03:29:23,228
to manage the sale, and then offer services to residents.

3616
03:29:23,228 --> 03:29:28,280
The County Attorney's office did retain law group,

3617
03:29:28,288 --> 03:29:33,688
they are Florida based real estate firm the specialized

3618
03:29:34,574 --> 03:29:37,248
conflicts of regulation, they've done this type of work

3619
03:29:37,248 --> 03:29:39,180
before, it was very refreshing to speak

3620
03:29:39,180 --> 03:29:40,852
with a firm of this level of expertise,

3621
03:29:40,852 --> 03:29:43,907
and for them to bring their expertise to help guide us

3622
03:29:43,907 --> 03:29:45,680
through this process.

3623
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:49,804
They conducted a legal analysis and to determine

3624
03:29:49,804 --> 03:29:51,308
the condominium.

3625
03:29:51,308 --> 03:29:55,508
And this is based on their analysis,

3626
03:29:57,538 --> 03:30:00,337
profitable equitable or safe and those are their words

3627
03:30:00,337 --> 03:30:02,258
from the report, they recommended

3628
03:30:02,258 --> 03:30:04,528
they didn't recommend, they proposed four options

3629
03:30:04,528 --> 03:30:05,868
for terminating.

3630
03:30:05,868 --> 03:30:10,680
There's equitable termination, termination based on damage,

3631
03:30:12,268 --> 03:30:16,443
increased possibility and then there's an optional termination.

3632
03:30:16,443 --> 03:30:20,748
The equitable termination is allowed because the property was

3633
03:30:20,748 --> 03:30:23,578
damaged or destroyed and cannot be repaired.

3634
03:30:23,578 --> 03:30:26,388
It provides the most viable option to terminate

3635
03:30:26,388 --> 03:30:29,508
and allows for judicial partition which

3636
03:30:29,508 --> 03:30:31,388
is our desire for the property to be sold,

3637
03:30:31,388 --> 03:30:34,476
and must be initiated by condominium owner.

3638
03:30:34,476 --> 03:30:36,774
Again those condo units are there

3639
03:30:36,774 --> 03:30:38,972
so the county does have the authority

3640
03:30:38,972 --> 03:30:41,266
to initiate this equitable termination.

3641
03:30:41,266 --> 03:30:43,580
The termination trustee would be the person

3642
03:30:43,580 --> 03:30:46,568
who would be responsible for terminating the termination

3643
03:30:46,568 --> 03:30:50,252
process and facilitating the sale of that property.

3644
03:30:50,252 --> 03:30:54,452
And then laying down the association affairs.

3645
03:30:54,664 --> 03:30:56,164
Previously we used the term receiver

3646
03:30:56,164 --> 03:30:58,894
which was the wrong term to describe what we are doing.

3647
03:30:58,894 --> 03:31:01,476
Receiver responsible for maintaining a property

3648
03:31:01,476 --> 03:31:02,988
or trying to manage it.

3649
03:31:02,988 --> 03:31:06,738
Termination trustee would be the goal of terminating the condos,

3650
03:31:06,738 --> 03:31:12,409
selling the property, and then lining up all the affairs.

3651
03:31:12,409 --> 03:31:15,688
Here is the second option which is the termination based

3652
03:31:15,688 --> 03:31:19,261
on major damage, and this is based on the condo declarations

3653
03:31:19,261 --> 03:31:21,188
in timber scan.

3654
03:31:21,188 --> 03:31:26,188
That if majority of sorry based on major damage

3655
03:31:26,188 --> 03:31:28,498
suffered by more than 80% of timber scan.

3656
03:31:28,498 --> 03:31:33,874
This also may be initiated by a condo unit owner in timber scan.

3657
03:31:33,874 --> 03:31:36,898
The next option is termination based on economic waste which

3658
03:31:36,898 --> 03:31:41,440
is basically contrary to public policy because of damage

3659
03:31:41,440 --> 03:31:42,201
and deterioration.

3660
03:31:42,201 --> 03:31:46,308
Sorry operating timber scan is contrary to public policy

3661
03:31:46,308 --> 03:31:49,680
because of damage and deterioration.

3662
03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:51,734
Maintaining or restoring it would be financially irrational

3663
03:31:51,734 --> 03:31:53,734
or practically impossible.

3664
03:31:53,781 --> 03:31:57,958
And that's based on the conditions which are there now.

3665
03:31:57,958 --> 03:32:02,612
Importantly, this option does require 66% of the condo unit

3666
03:32:02,612 --> 03:32:05,888
owners and a majority of the association directors

3667
03:32:05,888 --> 03:32:08,888
to provide consent before proceeding.

3668
03:32:09,708 --> 03:32:13,760
This again may be initiated by a condo unit

3669
03:32:13,760 --> 03:32:14,428
owner or the association.

3670
03:32:14,428 --> 03:32:17,158
And the last of those options, optional termination this

3671
03:32:17,158 --> 03:32:21,268
is again a voluntary termination through a plan of termination.

3672
03:32:21,268 --> 03:32:24,610
This plan does have to go through the state,

3673
03:32:24,610 --> 03:32:28,188
so for a vision of condominiums, timeshares and mobile homes,

3674
03:32:28,188 --> 03:32:32,204
this does require consent of at least 80% of voting interests

3675
03:32:32,204 --> 03:32:36,548
in timber scan, at least 5% of those or any 5% of the voting

3676
03:32:36,548 --> 03:32:39,840
interests object then the plan cannot move forward.

3677
03:32:39,840 --> 03:32:43,230
This also can be initiated by a condo unit or condo association.

3678
03:32:43,230 --> 03:32:45,270
So I went through those rather fast,

3679
03:32:45,270 --> 03:32:48,360
so I want to summarize each of those options right now.

3680
03:32:48,360 --> 03:32:50,178
So in regards to the equitable termination,

3681
03:32:50,178 --> 03:32:55,128
that is eligible for termination today based on the conditions.

3682
03:32:55,128 --> 03:33:00,528
The Florida no owner consent is required, the authority

3683
03:33:01,278 --> 03:33:04,260
for that is basically the Florida statutes, that

3684
03:33:04,260 --> 03:33:07,433
does allow for a sale after and that

3685
03:33:07,433 --> 03:33:13,188
is the recommendation by legal counsel based on major damage

3686
03:33:13,188 --> 03:33:15,228
eligible for termination now.

3687
03:33:15,228 --> 03:33:18,458
Again no consent or external review

3688
03:33:18,458 --> 03:33:22,441
prior, the authorities and then the sale and termination

3689
03:33:22,441 --> 03:33:23,681
could occur afterwards.

3690
03:33:23,681 --> 03:33:27,958
Termination based on economic waste and possibility, that does

3691
03:33:27,958 --> 03:33:30,198
require consent of the owners of the associations,

3692
03:33:30,198 --> 03:33:34,940
it's based on the statutes and the sale is for that afterwards,

3693
03:33:34,940 --> 03:33:37,280
and the optional termination does

3694
03:33:37,280 --> 03:33:39,524
require consent of the owners and the association,

3695
03:33:39,524 --> 03:33:42,148
there is an external review that's

3696
03:33:42,148 --> 03:33:44,716
based on the Florida statutes and the sale

3697
03:33:44,716 --> 03:33:46,388
after termination if possible.

3698
03:33:46,388 --> 03:33:50,518
So this is very lengthy, but I'll skip through and highlight

3699
03:33:50,518 --> 03:33:51,636
the most important parts.

3700
03:33:51,636 --> 03:33:55,228
So if the county were to move forward with this effort,

3701
03:33:55,228 --> 03:33:57,760
not to say that we would start in September,

3702
03:33:57,760 --> 03:34:00,704
but if we started this effort in September

3703
03:34:00,704 --> 03:34:04,808
the legal process is it would take about a year

3704
03:34:04,808 --> 03:34:09,608
for a summary judgment requiring the equitable termination.

3705
03:34:11,441 --> 03:34:14,300
So we're looking at September 2027.

3706
03:34:14,300 --> 03:34:16,700
These are more timelines.

3707
03:34:16,836 --> 03:34:18,531
We don't need to go over them they're

3708
03:34:18,531 --> 03:34:20,454
more information available.

3709
03:34:20,454 --> 03:34:23,361
More steps in the process.

3710
03:34:23,361 --> 03:34:27,140
If the next reasonable milestone is July 2028,

3711
03:34:27,140 --> 03:34:32,414
which would be the partition sale or the judgment

3712
03:34:32,468 --> 03:34:34,284
to potentially sell the property.

3713
03:34:34,284 --> 03:34:37,974
Again we are looking at about two years

3714
03:34:37,974 --> 03:34:40,652
and this would be if all of those steps went smoothly

3715
03:34:40,652 --> 03:34:42,596
and again you see everything there

3716
03:34:42,596 --> 03:34:45,788
so you don't delay, no intervening appeals

3717
03:34:45,788 --> 03:34:46,748
in the process.

3718
03:34:46,748 --> 03:34:48,658
So if you're looking at about two years

3719
03:34:48,658 --> 03:34:53,408
give or take for this process to start to finish.

3720
03:34:53,408 --> 03:34:56,548
So in summary operating timber scan is no longer equitable

3721
03:34:56,548 --> 03:34:59,101
practical or safe, the equitable termination

3722
03:34:59,101 --> 03:35:01,710
is what the county is proposing, that's

3723
03:35:01,710 --> 03:35:05,760
what was recommended to us from our external counsel they are

3724
03:35:05,760 --> 03:35:07,995
allowed to terminate the condos from the center of the property

3725
03:35:07,995 --> 03:35:10,492
and that would also provide a consent,

3726
03:35:10,492 --> 03:35:13,116
no consent is required from the property owners,

3727
03:35:13,116 --> 03:35:15,388
and then we would utilize the termination

3728
03:35:15,388 --> 03:35:17,428
trustee to manage the sale.

3729
03:35:17,428 --> 03:35:20,728
This entire process could take about two years.

3730
03:35:20,728 --> 03:35:23,447
So I'm going to bring up a vet race

3731
03:35:23,447 --> 03:35:25,268
to talk about the residents which includes

3732
03:35:25,268 --> 03:35:28,268
the resources to the residents.

3733
03:35:33,634 --> 03:35:34,160
>> Good afternoon mayor and Commissioners.

3734
03:35:34,160 --> 03:35:34,516
Again.

3735
03:35:34,516 --> 03:35:37,408
I am Yvette Reyes, the manager of the Citizens Resource

3736
03:35:37,408 --> 03:35:38,948
and Outreach Division.

3737
03:35:38,948 --> 03:35:42,148
And my portion today is brief.

3738
03:35:42,148 --> 03:35:44,528
But, it is the most important because it does

3739
03:35:44,528 --> 03:35:47,663
talk about the assistance to the individuals and families that

3740
03:35:47,663 --> 03:35:49,780
currently reside in this community.

3741
03:35:49,780 --> 03:35:53,268
So as you heard from some of the residents this morning,

3742
03:35:53,268 --> 03:35:57,178
they are ready for help and we are ready to help.

3743
03:35:57,178 --> 03:36:00,884
So the mission of the citizen Research and Outreach Division

3744
03:36:00,884 --> 03:36:03,734
is to direct resources to Orange County residents

3745
03:36:03,734 --> 03:36:06,178
through various social service programs.

3746
03:36:06,178 --> 03:36:08,278
We are familiar with this community,

3747
03:36:08,278 --> 03:36:11,298
and we are committed to working alongside its residents

3748
03:36:11,298 --> 03:36:12,958
throughout this transition.

3749
03:36:12,958 --> 03:36:17,758
So as previously mentioned the trustees work will

3750
03:36:17,908 --> 03:36:20,680
result in the sale of the property and this

3751
03:36:20,680 --> 03:36:21,108
could take years.

3752
03:36:21,108 --> 03:36:25,920
So, ideally this provides us an opportunity

3753
03:36:25,920 --> 03:36:29,618
to relocate the residents before the sale of the property.

3754
03:36:29,618 --> 03:36:31,668
So during that time, our division

3755
03:36:31,668 --> 03:36:34,228
will provide supportive services to help residents

3756
03:36:34,228 --> 03:36:36,148
navigate this transition.

3757
03:36:36,148 --> 03:36:41,268
We will do this by assigning each household a dedicated case

3758
03:36:41,268 --> 03:36:44,316
manager who will assess the needs of the household.

3759
03:36:44,316 --> 03:36:47,188
And will serve as the consistent point of contact

3760
03:36:47,188 --> 03:36:49,188
throughout the process.

3761
03:36:49,516 --> 03:36:53,716
In addition to assisting residents with relocation

3762
03:36:54,230 --> 03:36:56,444
case managers will also connect them

3763
03:36:56,444 --> 03:36:59,380
to county services offered through the division shown

3764
03:36:59,380 --> 03:37:00,788
on this slide.

3765
03:37:00,788 --> 03:37:03,948
Which offer and provide numerous resources

3766
03:37:03,948 --> 03:37:06,348
for children and families.

3767
03:37:06,778 --> 03:37:10,908
In addition come we partner with several community agencies

3768
03:37:10,908 --> 03:37:15,480
that can provide further support based on each household's

3769
03:37:15,480 --> 03:37:17,480
unique circumstances.

3770
03:37:18,428 --> 03:37:22,128
Although only four of the units currently

3771
03:37:22,128 --> 03:37:25,128
have homestead exemption, utility records

3772
03:37:25,858 --> 03:37:28,321
and our direct engagement with the residents

3773
03:37:28,321 --> 03:37:32,844
indicate that approximately ten of the units are owner occupied.

3774
03:37:32,844 --> 03:37:37,324
And this means that it is the primary residence of the owner.

3775
03:37:37,324 --> 03:37:40,108
So, this community is continually

3776
03:37:40,108 --> 03:37:44,468
changing with both owners and renters moving in and out,

3777
03:37:44,468 --> 03:37:46,318
as recently as last month.

3778
03:37:46,318 --> 03:37:48,928
But due to the ongoing conditions as the property

3779
03:37:48,928 --> 03:37:51,292
it has been very difficult for owners

3780
03:37:51,292 --> 03:37:56,468
to sell their condos so as part of the proposed assistance

3781
03:37:56,468 --> 03:38:00,348
plan the county may offer to acquire owner occupied units

3782
03:38:00,348 --> 03:38:04,218
as a part of the real estate transaction as Jason mentioned,

3783
03:38:04,218 --> 03:38:06,605
and appraisal will be completed and is

3784
03:38:06,605 --> 03:38:08,188
being completed with all of the units,

3785
03:38:08,188 --> 03:38:09,768
especially the acquired units.

3786
03:38:09,768 --> 03:38:13,368
The real estate management division retained

3787
03:38:13,913 --> 03:38:15,580
and professional appraiser who evaluated

3788
03:38:15,580 --> 03:38:17,828
five of the condo units and the appraiser

3789
03:38:17,828 --> 03:38:20,618
resulted in a value of approximately 65000

3790
03:38:20,618 --> 03:38:22,751
for each of those units.

3791
03:38:22,751 --> 03:38:26,188
So, this can be used as a reference point or a starting

3792
03:38:26,188 --> 03:38:29,508
point for any potential acquisition process.

3793
03:38:29,508 --> 03:38:34,316
So, in summary, the termination of the trustee's work

3794
03:38:34,316 --> 03:38:36,172
will result in the property being

3795
03:38:36,172 --> 03:38:38,951
sold while the process could take years,

3796
03:38:38,951 --> 03:38:40,368
it also provides us an opportunity

3797
03:38:40,368 --> 03:38:44,392
to relocate the current residents before the property is

3798
03:38:44,392 --> 03:38:44,892
sold.

3799
03:38:44,892 --> 03:38:47,848
So our division is committed to supporting the residents

3800
03:38:47,848 --> 03:38:51,268
through this transition by providing case management

3801
03:38:51,268 --> 03:38:54,600
and connecting them with county and community services.

3802
03:38:54,600 --> 03:38:55,814
As a part of this assistance plan

3803
03:38:55,814 --> 03:38:58,828
the county may also offer to acquire the eligible owner

3804
03:38:58,828 --> 03:39:03,280
occupied units at an approved value of.

3805
03:39:04,668 --> 03:39:07,179
Investors that landlord their own units

3806
03:39:07,179 --> 03:39:08,721
but do not live on the property would

3807
03:39:08,721 --> 03:39:12,828
receive proper compensation for the property's eventual sale.

3808
03:39:12,828 --> 03:39:14,334
I'll now turn it back over to Jason.

3809
03:39:14,334 --> 03:39:16,334
Thank you.

3810
03:39:21,902 --> 03:39:23,122
>> Thank you Yvette.

3811
03:39:23,122 --> 03:39:25,738
Realizing the importance of communication I mean

3812
03:39:25,738 --> 03:39:30,538
you've worked very closely with the Communications Division's.

3813
03:39:30,548 --> 03:39:32,926
To make sure we have a plan if this effort moves forward

3814
03:39:32,926 --> 03:39:35,468
and that involves working with the media emphasizing the life

3815
03:39:35,468 --> 03:39:39,172
safety concerns, in the county's motivation for the actions.

3816
03:39:39,172 --> 03:39:43,612
We have done similar projects during the last couple of years,

3817
03:39:43,612 --> 03:39:45,748
and learning from those lessons we've

3818
03:39:45,748 --> 03:39:48,548
identified the appropriate context to speak to the media.

3819
03:39:48,548 --> 03:39:51,880
And then of course we have reoccurring meetings

3820
03:39:51,880 --> 03:39:53,788
to make sure that we get appropriate updates.

3821
03:39:53,788 --> 03:39:58,604
And then the PIOs will have media inquiries and the web

3822
03:39:58,604 --> 03:40:00,508
page, and there's already a web page

3823
03:40:00,508 --> 03:40:02,988
that's created and provides public facing information,

3824
03:40:02,988 --> 03:40:06,864
and then creating the appropriate handouts and door

3825
03:40:06,864 --> 03:40:07,364
hangers.

3826
03:40:07,364 --> 03:40:10,138
But all of that to say we have considered

3827
03:40:10,138 --> 03:40:12,970
the way the communications with the public or with the media

3828
03:40:12,970 --> 03:40:15,676
and with all the stakeholders involved as a critical part

3829
03:40:15,676 --> 03:40:16,868
of this effort.

3830
03:40:16,868 --> 03:40:19,680
So we are wrapping up mayor.

3831
03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:22,383
In regards to updates, the county

3832
03:40:22,383 --> 03:40:24,708
continues to engage with residents,

3833
03:40:24,708 --> 03:40:27,408
Reyes talked about that, we did send notices

3834
03:40:27,408 --> 03:40:31,918
to each of the condo units in timber scan about today's

3835
03:40:31,918 --> 03:40:36,578
meeting, the county owned units are vacant and secured.

3836
03:40:36,578 --> 03:40:39,258
Worked very closely with the Sheriff's office and facilities

3837
03:40:39,258 --> 03:40:41,763
to ensure that staff regularly checks on those properties

3838
03:40:41,763 --> 03:40:44,668
to make sure that they are vacant and secure.

3839
03:40:44,668 --> 03:40:48,148
The conditions in timber scan are deteriorating,

3840
03:40:48,148 --> 03:40:53,660
last year we heard from groups of people about efforts

3841
03:40:53,660 --> 03:40:57,428
to address timber scan, and we were making progress,

3842
03:40:57,428 --> 03:40:58,928
unfortunately that has not happened.

3843
03:40:58,928 --> 03:41:01,881
Our love there predictably it is unfortunate

3844
03:41:01,881 --> 03:41:04,881
that that has not happened.

3845
03:41:05,228 --> 03:41:08,755
There's more vacant units there, more activity,

3846
03:41:08,755 --> 03:41:11,848
I would say the deviant type of activity is happening there,

3847
03:41:11,848 --> 03:41:13,348
it does have a different feel.

3848
03:41:13,348 --> 03:41:16,300
A year ago or a year and a half ago

3849
03:41:16,300 --> 03:41:19,148
we brought the Sheriff's office with us as a precaution,

3850
03:41:19,148 --> 03:41:21,591
but we quickly realized that maybe that

3851
03:41:21,591 --> 03:41:23,758
wasn't needed because we were dealing with families,

3852
03:41:23,758 --> 03:41:27,564
people were happy to see us and Yvette and her team

3853
03:41:27,564 --> 03:41:28,688
had contacts there.

3854
03:41:28,688 --> 03:41:30,788
Fast forward to this year and current times

3855
03:41:30,788 --> 03:41:33,627
I'd say it's not safe for us to canvass there.

3856
03:41:33,627 --> 03:41:37,463
So again it's an indication as how things have deteriorated.

3857
03:41:37,463 --> 03:41:39,868
The section two stakeholders, two

3858
03:41:39,868 --> 03:41:42,842
if you remember there were two brothers who

3859
03:41:42,842 --> 03:41:44,384
were kind of leading the charge, they

3860
03:41:44,384 --> 03:41:47,900
were the most vocal about their efforts to address timber scan.

3861
03:41:47,900 --> 03:41:49,532
For different reasons, neither of them

3862
03:41:49,532 --> 03:41:50,930
were with timber scan anymore, we

3863
03:41:50,930 --> 03:41:52,388
suspect that may have played a part

3864
03:41:52,388 --> 03:41:54,948
in some of the deteriorating conditions.

3865
03:41:54,948 --> 03:41:58,241
Without those two being present, they have not provided the plan

3866
03:41:58,241 --> 03:42:01,801
they spent a lot of 2025 talking about and saying that they were

3867
03:42:01,801 --> 03:42:04,578
going to provide to us, the county Attorney's office Shonda

3868
03:42:04,578 --> 03:42:08,778
White specifically, reviewed section two's condo documents,

3869
03:42:09,698 --> 03:42:14,996
and that review she did find an incumbent's on the property

3870
03:42:14,996 --> 03:42:17,396
of about $770,000 in increasing.

3871
03:42:19,388 --> 03:42:22,594
So again that's the benefit of that title search

3872
03:42:22,594 --> 03:42:26,228
to see what other incumbents is out there.

3873
03:42:26,228 --> 03:42:32,828
Finishing the update section two they had a previous account that

3874
03:42:33,924 --> 03:42:38,134
was closed I guess it was sometime last year of about

3875
03:42:38,134 --> 03:42:44,134
82,000, some of that money is owed to Orange County Utilities.

3876
03:42:44,228 --> 03:42:47,710
That was sent to debt collections,

3877
03:42:47,710 --> 03:42:50,924
they have opened a new account, however that new account is now

3878
03:42:50,924 --> 03:42:52,365
$47,000 past due.

3879
03:42:52,365 --> 03:42:55,968
So we see a similar trend, so now this

3880
03:42:55,968 --> 03:42:58,454
would be the second account that they have

3881
03:42:58,454 --> 03:43:01,868
managed that is now past due.

3882
03:43:01,868 --> 03:43:06,588
You see typically with these accounts we see taking action,

3883
03:43:06,588 --> 03:43:10,428
they have not at this point, so it is continuing to accrue,

3884
03:43:10,428 --> 03:43:13,612
there is I'm not sure what the issue is but they've now accrued

3885
03:43:13,612 --> 03:43:16,430
this very large past due amount, title searches

3886
03:43:16,430 --> 03:43:17,876
are being done by the real estate management

3887
03:43:17,876 --> 03:43:21,928
division on all the condo units, or at least the one standing

3888
03:43:21,928 --> 03:43:24,440
or demolished, again we want to determine

3889
03:43:24,440 --> 03:43:26,280
if there are other leads or encumbrances come

3890
03:43:26,280 --> 03:43:28,888
and that does include title searches of the condo

3891
03:43:28,888 --> 03:43:29,498
associations.

3892
03:43:29,498 --> 03:43:31,752
Condo units also are still being sold.

3893
03:43:31,752 --> 03:43:35,828
There were seven condo units listed for sale as of

3894
03:43:35,828 --> 03:43:37,928
just a couple weeks ago in the end of June,

3895
03:43:37,928 --> 03:43:40,239
there were recent sales in May of last year

3896
03:43:40,239 --> 03:43:42,840
and as early as this year.

3897
03:43:42,840 --> 03:43:44,418
There was a very unfortunate experience with someone

3898
03:43:44,418 --> 03:43:48,280
who bought a unit earlier this year bought it sight unseen,

3899
03:43:48,280 --> 03:43:50,184
looked at this listing looked at the pictures,

3900
03:43:50,184 --> 03:43:53,251
saw the price moved here from up north,

3901
03:43:53,251 --> 03:43:58,444
and then quickly realized the situation in timber scan

3902
03:43:58,444 --> 03:44:01,876
and how now somewhat she's in a very bad situation.

3903
03:44:01,876 --> 03:44:04,988
Is very sad, but this is unfortunately

3904
03:44:04,988 --> 03:44:07,828
this is the way the real estate market works.

3905
03:44:07,828 --> 03:44:12,228
We are trying to figure a way to provide some notice to people

3906
03:44:12,228 --> 03:44:14,588
or at least work with real estate agents about awareness

3907
03:44:14,588 --> 03:44:17,748
about this when units are being sold people are still

3908
03:44:17,748 --> 03:44:20,101
actively buying these who don't know any better.

3909
03:44:20,101 --> 03:44:21,688
So in summary.

3910
03:44:21,688 --> 03:44:25,888
Again, where I started and in regards

3911
03:44:25,964 --> 03:44:28,278
to public safety concerns and residents they're

3912
03:44:28,278 --> 03:44:31,574
living in unsafe conditions, I've said it before

3913
03:44:31,574 --> 03:44:34,173
and I will continue to say it, about the buildings demolished,

3914
03:44:34,173 --> 03:44:36,258
those that are still standing are dilapidated,

3915
03:44:36,258 --> 03:44:39,712
there are people living in condo units without water service.

3916
03:44:39,712 --> 03:44:43,481
The county owns the 38% of the units,

3917
03:44:43,481 --> 03:44:46,868
the unmaintained fire hydrants, and dumping.

3918
03:44:46,868 --> 03:44:52,418
Shum Law Group proposed is no longer practical or equitable

3919
03:44:52,418 --> 03:44:53,448
or safe.

3920
03:44:53,448 --> 03:44:56,988
And they've also proposed long term solutions.

3921
03:44:56,988 --> 03:44:59,804
The equitable termination is what

3922
03:44:59,804 --> 03:45:02,304
we talked about earlier, that is the best long term solution

3923
03:45:02,304 --> 03:45:06,368
to address the unsafe and precarious positions there,

3924
03:45:06,368 --> 03:45:07,928
conclusion of the process could take

3925
03:45:07,928 --> 03:45:10,428
years which again would provide opportunities for the county

3926
03:45:10,428 --> 03:45:12,148
to provide services there.

3927
03:45:12,148 --> 03:45:14,876
Should the county proceed with this or should we get direction

3928
03:45:14,876 --> 03:45:19,161
to proceed, we would be seeking authority to terminate timber

3929
03:45:19,161 --> 03:45:23,458
scans condominiums, petition for termination trustee and support

3930
03:45:23,458 --> 03:45:25,128
for the Residents assistance plan,

3931
03:45:25,128 --> 03:45:28,534
if again there is direction today we would bring this back

3932
03:45:28,534 --> 03:45:32,500
as a consent agenda item on the 25th of August,

3933
03:45:32,500 --> 03:45:36,428
realizing we've spent today discussing all of the different

3934
03:45:36,428 --> 03:45:41,540
situations and all of the different options at play.

3935
03:45:41,540 --> 03:45:44,416
So, just again in summary we heard a little bit of it

3936
03:45:44,416 --> 03:45:47,428
this morning but I want to debunk

3937
03:45:47,428 --> 03:45:49,716
some of the misinformation that could go around

3938
03:45:49,716 --> 03:45:50,942
about timber scam.

3939
03:45:50,942 --> 03:45:54,197
Orange County is not responsible for maintaining timber scam.

3940
03:45:54,197 --> 03:45:56,188
That is the condo association.

3941
03:45:56,188 --> 03:45:58,680
Orange County is also not removing people

3942
03:45:58,680 --> 03:46:00,348
from timber scan, the goal of this effort

3943
03:46:00,348 --> 03:46:03,748
is to provide services to people so that they can leave

3944
03:46:03,748 --> 03:46:05,218
and that at the end of this process

3945
03:46:05,218 --> 03:46:07,468
we would have hopefully relocated

3946
03:46:07,468 --> 03:46:10,124
the folks before the sale of the property.

3947
03:46:10,124 --> 03:46:12,812
And Orange County is not buying or selling

3948
03:46:12,812 --> 03:46:14,161
timber scan as a whole.

3949
03:46:14,161 --> 03:46:16,348
What the county proposes is a long term solution

3950
03:46:16,348 --> 03:46:18,890
to the conditions there to terminate the condominiums,

3951
03:46:18,890 --> 03:46:21,540
to utilize a third party to manage the sale,

3952
03:46:21,540 --> 03:46:26,380
to offer services to residents, and to acquire condo units

3953
03:46:26,380 --> 03:46:28,290
if the direction is there.

3954
03:46:28,290 --> 03:46:31,308
So, in regards to board direction there is no action

3955
03:46:31,308 --> 03:46:34,908
today, we are seeking direction about implementation

3956
03:46:34,908 --> 03:46:38,388
which could involve terminating the timber scan condominiums,

3957
03:46:38,388 --> 03:46:40,788
petitioning for termination trustee

3958
03:46:40,928 --> 03:46:43,428
and the resident assistance, where

3959
03:46:43,428 --> 03:46:47,240
that concludes the formal part of the presentation,

3960
03:46:47,240 --> 03:46:49,270
although Eva and I are the ones you heard

3961
03:46:49,270 --> 03:46:51,604
from this afternoon there are others in the audience here

3962
03:46:51,604 --> 03:46:54,408
who worked on this with us and are available to answer

3963
03:46:54,408 --> 03:46:56,408
any questions.

3964
03:47:01,621 --> 03:47:02,788
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

3965
03:47:02,788 --> 03:47:05,428
No sadly we've been dealing with this for far too long.

3966
03:47:05,428 --> 03:47:09,334
Orange County is not in the business

3967
03:47:09,334 --> 03:47:12,934
of preserving dilapidated substandard housing that

3968
03:47:13,614 --> 03:47:19,856
poses a threat to the life, safety, health of our residents.

3969
03:47:19,856 --> 03:47:21,544
It's time.

3970
03:47:21,544 --> 03:47:24,544
In fact, it's past time.

3971
03:47:25,161 --> 03:47:30,561
For us to seek an implementation schedule as you

3972
03:47:31,928 --> 03:47:37,368
laid out here to move forward with an equitable termination

3973
03:47:37,368 --> 03:47:39,768
of this condominium complex.

3974
03:47:43,348 --> 03:47:48,920
It pains me to say in some regards because I

3975
03:47:48,920 --> 03:47:49,988
know people live there.

3976
03:47:49,988 --> 03:47:52,668
And everybody ought to have the opportunity

3977
03:47:52,668 --> 03:47:56,868
to have pride in where they live.

3978
03:47:57,788 --> 03:48:03,788
And it pains me that these two grandmothers here today

3979
03:48:05,888 --> 03:48:08,288
and they're caught up.

3980
03:48:08,318 --> 03:48:14,233
They're caught up in a situation where they've got residents,

3981
03:48:14,233 --> 03:48:18,741
they've got owners of property, all around them who are not

3982
03:48:18,741 --> 03:48:21,500
taking care of that property.

3983
03:48:21,500 --> 03:48:23,348
Those people who are living there

3984
03:48:23,348 --> 03:48:28,436
deserve to have the opportunity to get out of their.

3985
03:48:28,436 --> 03:48:29,324
Okay?

3986
03:48:29,324 --> 03:48:35,708
Where, we should be working with providing some run on assistance

3987
03:48:35,708 --> 03:48:39,628
and for those who are owners who live there because they can't go

3988
03:48:39,628 --> 03:48:43,316
anywhere else, we ought to be helping

3989
03:48:43,316 --> 03:48:46,564
them to facilitate the opportunity for them

3990
03:48:46,564 --> 03:48:53,188
to move somewhere where they get out of being faced with life,

3991
03:48:53,188 --> 03:48:55,428
health, and safety challenge.

3992
03:48:55,428 --> 03:49:00,692
For those people who own property there, who are renters,

3993
03:49:00,692 --> 03:49:06,168
or who are renting the property, to other people, who are not

3994
03:49:06,168 --> 03:49:11,228
fixing up the property, they are part of the problem.

3995
03:49:11,228 --> 03:49:15,668
If you own property and you're renting it to someone else,

3996
03:49:15,668 --> 03:49:18,680
you have a moral responsibility to make sure

3997
03:49:18,680 --> 03:49:24,680
that that property is a place that's dignified where you

3998
03:49:24,188 --> 03:49:26,153
would want your family to live.

3999
03:49:26,153 --> 03:49:32,153
And so I believe that at some day moving forward

4000
03:49:33,484 --> 03:49:37,628
with this process, my concern and my priority

4001
03:49:37,628 --> 03:49:40,308
is for those owner occupied units

4002
03:49:40,308 --> 03:49:43,908
and those renters who perhaps can't

4003
03:49:44,428 --> 03:49:46,348
afford to live somewhere else.

4004
03:49:46,348 --> 03:49:50,108
And getting them some assistance to move somewhere else.

4005
03:49:50,108 --> 03:49:51,148
It's time.

4006
03:49:51,148 --> 03:49:55,780
So, I don't want us to keep kicking the can down the road.

4007
03:49:55,780 --> 03:49:57,908
We've kicked it down the road I know

4008
03:49:57,908 --> 03:50:00,774
I've been personally involved with this one way

4009
03:50:00,774 --> 03:50:03,388
or another for almost two decades.

4010
03:50:03,388 --> 03:50:06,400
And it hasn't gotten any better.

4011
03:50:06,400 --> 03:50:08,164
A lot of promises have been made,

4012
03:50:08,164 --> 03:50:12,108
by people who so-called are investors in the property,

4013
03:50:12,108 --> 03:50:13,884
and none of them have ever come through.

4014
03:50:13,884 --> 03:50:16,845
They have failed these people who are living there.

4015
03:50:16,845 --> 03:50:20,758
And I do not want this board county commission

4016
03:50:20,758 --> 03:50:25,360
to continue failing at taking care of people.

4017
03:50:25,360 --> 03:50:27,828
These are people who are living their.

4018
03:50:27,828 --> 03:50:31,632
When we say it's unsafe, it's unhealthy,

4019
03:50:31,632 --> 03:50:36,432
for them to live there, that's a problem.

4020
03:50:36,908 --> 03:50:38,908
That's a problem.

4021
03:50:38,908 --> 03:50:40,241
You now?

4022
03:50:40,241 --> 03:50:45,308
I don't want the blood of these people who might be subjected

4023
03:50:45,308 --> 03:50:49,508
to something to be on my hands.

4024
03:50:50,114 --> 03:50:50,721
Okay?

4025
03:50:50,721 --> 03:50:57,921
And I hope our board doesn't -- we need to move forward.

4026
03:50:57,963 --> 03:50:58,625
Okay?

4027
03:50:58,625 --> 03:51:01,452
With this process at this point.

4028
03:51:01,452 --> 03:51:04,452
There are no other options.

4029
03:51:05,308 --> 03:51:10,108
Failure to do so just continues to expose

4030
03:51:10,284 --> 03:51:16,884
people and lives I'm close to the age of those grandmothers

4031
03:51:17,598 --> 03:51:19,598
who are here.

4032
03:51:24,388 --> 03:51:28,904
Some of y'all probably got some sisters and brothers there

4033
03:51:28,904 --> 03:51:30,274
on the board.

4034
03:51:30,274 --> 03:51:32,208
I say Commissioner Scott might have

4035
03:51:32,208 --> 03:51:34,268
a parent closer to that age.

4036
03:51:34,268 --> 03:51:36,268
Could you imagine?

4037
03:51:36,884 --> 03:51:42,284
If your parent was living like this Commissioner Scott?

4038
03:51:42,888 --> 03:51:44,888
You know?

4039
03:51:45,388 --> 03:51:46,300
Anyway.

4040
03:51:46,300 --> 03:51:50,500
Our board needs to take some action,

4041
03:51:51,148 --> 03:51:57,118
and let us move this, except the direction that our staff, we've

4042
03:51:57,118 --> 03:51:59,620
wrestled with this thing, it's time.

4043
03:51:59,620 --> 03:52:02,200
You know, it's time.

4044
03:52:02,188 --> 03:52:05,788
Jason, y'all have been out there come our staff has been out

4045
03:52:05,788 --> 03:52:08,382
there, and you're hearing our staff say it's not even safe

4046
03:52:08,382 --> 03:52:11,948
for the staff to go out there.

4047
03:52:11,948 --> 03:52:15,548
As a 37.5 year law enforcement officer.

4048
03:52:16,414 --> 03:52:21,484
I know when I see something that is unsafe.

4049
03:52:21,484 --> 03:52:23,508
And this is it.

4050
03:52:23,508 --> 03:52:26,996
I've been out there when gunfire was

4051
03:52:26,996 --> 03:52:30,596
fired when I was the Sheriff.

4052
03:52:30,668 --> 03:52:35,468
And it's worse now than it was then.

4053
03:52:37,828 --> 03:52:40,828
So, let's stop making excuses.

4054
03:52:40,828 --> 03:52:41,860
Let's move forward.

4055
03:52:41,860 --> 03:52:43,188
You know?

4056
03:52:43,188 --> 03:52:47,981
I see members of the board want to talk about it.

4057
03:52:47,981 --> 03:52:50,348
But look, we need to stop talking.

4058
03:52:50,348 --> 03:52:52,348
And start acting.

4059
03:52:52,718 --> 03:52:55,118
Start getting something done.

4060
03:52:55,428 --> 03:52:58,500
Commissioner Scott you're the district commissioner

4061
03:52:58,500 --> 03:53:02,250
I'm going to go with you first.

4062
03:53:02,450 --> 03:53:04,908
Michael “Mike” Scott: I'll let the other commissioners make

4063
03:53:04,908 --> 03:53:06,548
their comments I'm ready to move.

4064
03:53:06,548 --> 03:53:09,614
Jerry L. Demings: He's ready to move.

4065
03:53:09,614 --> 03:53:10,548
Commissioner Wilson?

4066
03:53:10,548 --> 03:53:13,928
Nicole H. Wilson: I'm 100% with every single thing you just

4067
03:53:13,928 --> 03:53:14,428
said.

4068
03:53:14,428 --> 03:53:16,410
I just actually wanted to find out

4069
03:53:16,410 --> 03:53:19,948
if there were opportunities to recoup from responsible parties,

4070
03:53:19,948 --> 03:53:22,128
because I agree, to some extent there's

4071
03:53:22,128 --> 03:53:25,681
been predatory activity in understanding that this you know

4072
03:53:25,681 --> 03:53:28,560
there are people still believing that they can make money

4073
03:53:28,560 --> 03:53:30,568
from the suffering of some of these individuals,

4074
03:53:30,568 --> 03:53:32,793
is there a path that will allow us

4075
03:53:32,793 --> 03:53:38,428
to be able to recoup from some of the responsible parties?

4076
03:53:38,428 --> 03:53:42,321
>> I will say, during at the sale of the property,

4077
03:53:42,321 --> 03:53:46,765
all of the lien holders they will be compensated

4078
03:53:46,765 --> 03:53:47,348
appropriately.

4079
03:53:47,348 --> 03:53:50,118
I don't know if we will get it from individual people,

4080
03:53:50,118 --> 03:53:52,388
but from the sale of the property,

4081
03:53:52,388 --> 03:53:57,188
all of the lien holders could be compensated.

4082
03:53:59,587 --> 03:54:01,212
Nicole H. Wilson: And then I 100% agree

4083
03:54:01,212 --> 03:54:03,248
with I think the support for case management everybody

4084
03:54:03,248 --> 03:54:05,498
get their own so we don't lose anybody in the shuffle,

4085
03:54:05,498 --> 03:54:08,588
I was just wondering, this is something I asked about before,

4086
03:54:08,588 --> 03:54:11,252
will that be proactive on our part?

4087
03:54:11,252 --> 03:54:13,684
Knowing that there are several divisions in place?

4088
03:54:13,684 --> 03:54:17,241
Are those case managers then going to help people navigate?

4089
03:54:17,241 --> 03:54:19,178
Because it's just a large bureaucracy,

4090
03:54:19,178 --> 03:54:20,636
I just want to make sure they don't

4091
03:54:20,636 --> 03:54:24,954
get lost in the >>, of course come we are going to be doing

4092
03:54:24,954 --> 03:54:26,454
that individualized service to them,

4093
03:54:26,454 --> 03:54:29,214
we are going to be proactive because the goal is

4094
03:54:29,214 --> 03:54:32,410
to ensure that those individuals who are residing there

4095
03:54:32,410 --> 03:54:35,268
do transition and have a smooth transition as possible,

4096
03:54:35,268 --> 03:54:36,708
because it is difficult right?

4097
03:54:36,708 --> 03:54:38,462
Being uprooted from their homes, but, we

4098
03:54:38,462 --> 03:54:40,308
are going to be there to support them

4099
03:54:40,308 --> 03:54:41,974
throughout that whole process, and we

4100
03:54:41,974 --> 03:54:43,508
will be proactive in that.

4101
03:54:43,508 --> 03:54:46,225
Nicole H. Wilson: Thank you so much

4102
03:54:46,225 --> 03:54:48,100
and I obviously very much support the pathway

4103
03:54:48,100 --> 03:54:49,948
that I believe looks like the obvious one

4104
03:54:49,948 --> 03:54:52,116
from the legal consultant, the only utilization

4105
03:54:52,116 --> 03:54:55,134
of a termination trustee and the termination,

4106
03:54:55,134 --> 03:54:59,980
I think understanding and sort of hearing that there's also

4107
03:54:59,980 --> 03:55:03,168
some residents that I think want to still here they had questions

4108
03:55:03,168 --> 03:55:04,876
about legal entanglements for themselves,

4109
03:55:04,876 --> 03:55:07,998
would be able to also refer people for those services

4110
03:55:07,998 --> 03:55:09,998
or legal aid?

4111
03:55:10,134 --> 03:55:13,628
>> Have already referred folks to legal aid Barbara and Larry

4112
03:55:13,628 --> 03:55:15,860
Thatcher have met with them, this has never stopped,

4113
03:55:15,860 --> 03:55:19,373
it just stopped here, but the event staff and her team,

4114
03:55:19,373 --> 03:55:21,748
they're doing cartwheels and backflips to get folks where

4115
03:55:21,748 --> 03:55:24,684
they need to be, and other folks are moving in as they're trying

4116
03:55:24,684 --> 03:55:25,737
to resolve issues.

4117
03:55:25,737 --> 03:55:28,180
We had someone living in the guard shack.

4118
03:55:28,180 --> 03:55:29,678
In the guard shack.

4119
03:55:29,678 --> 03:55:33,448
So they've done everything to make sure that these people are

4120
03:55:33,448 --> 03:55:36,788
not left out on the street.

4121
03:55:36,788 --> 03:55:38,751
Nicole H. Wilson: Thank you.

4122
03:55:38,751 --> 03:55:39,212
Do you think there's any way that we can get in touch

4123
03:55:39,212 --> 03:55:40,514
with the MLS listing servers?

4124
03:55:40,514 --> 03:55:41,722
With the database themselves?

4125
03:55:41,722 --> 03:55:47,424
I thought about Zillow, Redfin, I mean those are --

4126
03:55:47,424 --> 03:55:50,458
somewhere there's an oversight by some corporation,

4127
03:55:50,458 --> 03:55:55,201
I wonder if there's a way to flag those properties.

4128
03:55:55,201 --> 03:55:59,161
>> That's an excellent question Commissioner and Lucy worked

4129
03:55:59,161 --> 03:56:05,305
with she sent an email to the association to try to figure out

4130
03:56:05,305 --> 03:56:08,500
a way, I don't know if we can flag it on Zillow,

4131
03:56:08,500 --> 03:56:10,508
but we're trying to build an awareness with the real estate

4132
03:56:10,508 --> 03:56:13,170
agents in the community about timber scan.

4133
03:56:13,170 --> 03:56:16,604
So we can try to at least avoid the scenario where somebody

4134
03:56:16,604 --> 03:56:19,364
is moving here sight unseen because of pictures

4135
03:56:19,364 --> 03:56:22,964
and a good price for housing.

4136
03:56:23,588 --> 03:56:25,118
Nicole H. Wilson: Perfect.

4137
03:56:25,118 --> 03:56:25,868
Thank you so much.

4138
03:56:25,868 --> 03:56:27,975
Jerry L. Demings: All right.

4139
03:56:27,975 --> 03:56:30,142
I feel like if this is a threat to the health safety

4140
03:56:30,142 --> 03:56:31,835
and welfare of anybody living there then

4141
03:56:31,835 --> 03:56:34,543
it's a health a threat to health safety and welfare for everybody

4142
03:56:34,543 --> 03:56:35,253
living there.

4143
03:56:35,253 --> 03:56:40,653
That's the situation that we have at this point.

4144
03:56:41,908 --> 03:56:45,904
As we move forward, we've got to take action.

4145
03:56:45,904 --> 03:56:48,593
We've got to take action now.

4146
03:56:48,593 --> 03:56:50,593
Commissioner urethra?

4147
03:56:55,889 --> 03:56:57,264
Mayra Uribe: I think we're all on

4148
03:56:57,264 --> 03:56:58,480
board, what's it been two years that we've been talking

4149
03:56:58,480 --> 03:57:01,508
about this of like my question comes because once it's vacated

4150
03:57:01,508 --> 03:57:03,920
and demoed and everything, is this

4151
03:57:03,920 --> 03:57:07,144
going to be up for grabs for any developer that's come in?

4152
03:57:07,144 --> 03:57:09,561
Or are we going to be looking at comprehensive affordable

4153
03:57:09,561 --> 03:57:10,610
housing?

4154
03:57:10,610 --> 03:57:13,932
What, I mean, I don't know where the county

4155
03:57:13,932 --> 03:57:16,508
and where we are legally sitting,

4156
03:57:16,508 --> 03:57:19,508
that's a very vulnerable area.

4157
03:57:34,108 --> 03:57:37,788
But he's opting to not go to their own apartment

4158
03:57:37,788 --> 03:57:39,140
to live there.

4159
03:57:39,140 --> 03:57:42,703
Are we just putting it out to the highest bidder?

4160
03:57:42,703 --> 03:57:44,414
Are we being purposeful on this?

4161
03:57:44,414 --> 03:57:45,981
So what's the plan?

4162
03:57:45,981 --> 03:57:46,481
>> Yes.

4163
03:57:46,481 --> 03:57:48,228
We will definitely be purposeful.

4164
03:57:48,228 --> 03:57:52,988
When that property again the property or the county

4165
03:57:52,988 --> 03:57:53,841
is a lien holder.

4166
03:57:53,841 --> 03:57:56,120
The county has a hard cost on that property secured

4167
03:57:56,120 --> 03:57:58,978
by Eileen and then also administrative fines,

4168
03:57:58,978 --> 03:58:05,578
so the county does have a say in the discussions we

4169
03:58:06,916 --> 03:58:10,100
had over the last year or two is to find

4170
03:58:10,100 --> 03:58:16,832
a buyer who will put an asset to that Greater Texas Americana

4171
03:58:16,832 --> 03:58:17,556
area.

4172
03:58:17,556 --> 03:58:21,812
I'm not going to speculate as to what that will be

4173
03:58:21,812 --> 03:58:27,212
but hopefully that'll be an asset to the community.

4174
03:58:37,108 --> 03:58:40,244
The hard cost would be that 3.5 million.

4175
03:58:40,244 --> 03:58:44,148
Those again for the demolitions come with the infrastructure

4176
03:58:44,148 --> 03:58:45,854
improvements, those are 3.5.

4177
03:58:45,854 --> 03:58:47,396
Then there's the administrative fines

4178
03:58:47,396 --> 03:58:49,188
but I don't have that calculated right now.

4179
03:58:49,188 --> 03:58:52,276
Those are in the millions and millions of dollars for running

4180
03:58:52,276 --> 03:58:54,276
fines for noncompliance. .

4181
04:00:11,930 --> 04:00:14,930
They created a different account.

4182
04:00:17,242 --> 04:00:22,420
Different accounts still connected to the section two.?

4183
04:00:22,282 --> 04:00:24,722
That's not going to occur to us..

4184
04:00:24,722 --> 04:00:31,322
No because some of that money is owed to the county.

4185
04:00:32,420 --> 04:00:36,242
Sounds good there's no owner right now.

4186
04:00:43,122 --> 04:00:45,522
We are majority owner.

4187
04:00:45,706 --> 04:00:51,146
Because of that check just like we do in other cases

4188
04:00:51,146 --> 04:00:55,946
where we leveraged dollars to build affordable housing

4189
04:01:00,532 --> 04:01:03,295
we can do the same thing with this

4190
04:01:03,295 --> 04:01:05,927
where we have taken some of our surplus

4191
04:01:05,927 --> 04:01:12,462
and put it into to make it kak to lower the cost

4192
04:01:12,462 --> 04:01:17,262
and improve the quality of housing for people.

4193
04:01:18,122 --> 04:01:21,927
We have all kinds of models Kak I think there are 12

4194
04:01:21,927 --> 04:01:24,350
that we have done so far.

4195
04:01:24,350 --> 04:01:25,850
There is opportunity.

4196
04:01:25,850 --> 04:01:31,724
We talk about the owners Kak we largely talk about ourselves.

4197
04:01:31,724 --> 04:01:39,354
So there is no reason why we cannot turn this into a success

4198
04:01:39,354 --> 04:01:41,354
story.

4199
04:01:45,190 --> 04:01:47,352
Whether it be the ribbon cutting or redeveloped property

4200
04:01:47,352 --> 04:01:53,952
I'm going to be there with the rest of those people .

4201
04:01:55,820 --> 04:02:01,682
Anyway that's the summary SP mayor I am all with you.

4202
04:02:02,190 --> 04:02:03,622
It's time for action.

4203
04:02:03,622 --> 04:02:06,767
Commissioner Scott I look forward to what your motion is.

4204
04:02:06,767 --> 04:02:08,810
When I went to that property in the beginning

4205
04:02:08,810 --> 04:02:10,655
when I first heard about it because I wasn't

4206
04:02:10,655 --> 04:02:13,900
familiar with it and I drove around,

4207
04:02:13,900 --> 04:02:15,580
it's alarming what I saw.

4208
04:02:15,580 --> 04:02:17,962
There are children, there are seniors,

4209
04:02:17,962 --> 04:02:21,842
there are people with pets that are there that are living

4210
04:02:21,842 --> 04:02:26,412
and I know your staff has done a very good job very thoughtful

4211
04:02:26,412 --> 04:02:29,535
in this approach and I want to thank all of you.

4212
04:02:29,535 --> 04:02:32,630
I remember the first time you told me about this.

4213
04:02:32,630 --> 04:02:35,602
It was so shocking to hear the conditions these people were

4214
04:02:35,602 --> 04:02:36,236
living in.

4215
04:02:36,236 --> 04:02:38,642
I'm grateful we're here today and grateful we're

4216
04:02:38,642 --> 04:02:41,458
going to move forward to help manage save lives.

4217
04:02:41,458 --> 04:02:45,588
Thank you for everything you have done. .

4218
04:02:45,588 --> 04:02:51,588
Commissioner Scott, if you can turn that into a motion..

4219
04:02:56,690 --> 04:03:00,435
Thank you for the presentation and your work and effort.

4220
04:03:00,435 --> 04:03:07,635
In slide 18, you said the yellow one that's here to the lake

4221
04:03:12,510 --> 04:03:16,251
>> I'm trying to get there fast enough

4222
04:03:17,714 --> 04:03:21,314
>> You said people are living there?

4223
04:03:23,420 --> 04:03:25,442
>> People own units there.

4224
04:03:25,882 --> 04:03:29,522
Everything in yellow is a building that is still standing

4225
04:03:29,522 --> 04:03:33,722
and people are living in those buildings.

4226
04:03:34,202 --> 04:03:36,202
>> Thank you.

4227
04:03:37,802 --> 04:03:41,215
>> That's why we have to have relocation assistance services.

4228
04:03:41,215 --> 04:03:44,215
Commissioner Scott are you ready

4229
04:03:46,660 --> 04:03:48,195
>> I'm asking on how to frame this motion.

4230
04:03:48,195 --> 04:03:50,562
I'd like to frame it in a way where staff doesn't

4231
04:03:50,562 --> 04:03:53,622
have to continue to come back and get latitude

4232
04:03:53,622 --> 04:03:54,986
to make adjustments.

4233
04:03:54,986 --> 04:03:57,986
How would I do that?

4234
04:03:59,420 --> 04:04:02,642
>> You actually don't need a motion.

4235
04:04:03,720 --> 04:04:07,338
Typically what staff looks for is consensus and what I've heard

4236
04:04:07,338 --> 04:04:11,268
is resounding consensus for the three bullets.

4237
04:04:11,268 --> 04:04:16,480
If you would like to make a motion, you can direct staff

4238
04:04:16,480 --> 04:04:20,248
and you can exert the three bullets

4239
04:04:22,420 --> 04:04:26,388
>> I don't have a motion I move that you move forward and take

4240
04:04:26,388 --> 04:04:28,388
whatever action necessary.

4241
04:04:32,795 --> 04:04:34,506
>> We have a second.

4242
04:04:34,506 --> 04:04:36,506
All in favor.

4243
04:04:37,162 --> 04:04:39,162
Opposed.

4244
04:04:45,820 --> 04:04:48,578
I want to emphasize the official proposal will

4245
04:04:48,578 --> 04:04:50,210
be on the consent agenda.

4246
04:04:50,210 --> 04:04:54,842
This was very helpful and I thank you.

4247
04:04:54,842 --> 04:04:57,276
>> With that thank you all.

4248
04:04:57,276 --> 04:05:00,195
We will move forward on that spirit we are going into recess

4249
04:05:00,195 --> 04:05:04,995
and we will come back at 2 p.m..